Environmental modification, ENMOD and our changing climate

There is actually a lot missing from these charts, like taking into consideration large impacting changes like Wars, or technological movements.

For instance you could collate the production of the auto mobile to cover not just the impact of all the produced cars running over time, but also the factories in which they are produce.
In war time you have both the fires that burnt from bombing runs and the mass manufacturing machines that attempted to produce enough arms to win a war.

There is then other technological movements, like for instance the use and expanse of Radiotelecommunications, from a simple morse signal to our current digital age, surrounded by thousands of ground antenna arrays that handle mobile communications right through to microwave dishes to connect those antenna's together and satellite systems to bounce signals around the world. (Radiotelecommunications uses "Dielectric" radiation, which would be absorbed by moisture in the atmosphere and bodies of water to produce changes to weather systems, it might even catalyse changes in algae blooms)

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Good points Stryder,

I'm not surprised that the name was changed to 'Climate Change' due to the number of environmental fundamentalists who have been trying to stifle genuine scientific debate.

What the heck are you talking about??? You've latched onto a scientific paper that discusses how/why satellites' orbits decay and how to calculate the estimated time they might leave orbit - things you obviously did NOT understand. It most certainly had nothing to do with weather or climate changes. <shrug>

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What the heck are you talking about??? You've latched onto a scientific paper that discusses how/why satellites' orbits decay and how to calculate the estimated time they might leave orbit - things you obviously did NOT understand. It most certainly had nothing to do with weather or climate changes. <shrug>

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Read the OP Read-Only and then see who published the PDF. It wasn't NASA that's for sure.

Sorry, but you've got a serious mental screw loose somewhere - so I'm dropping out of the insanity here, it doesn't interest me.

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Hi Read-Only,

The following was in today's Australian newspaper with regards to an Australian Broadcasting Commission Channel 1 interview on Monday night.

The Australian Newspaper 6th March 2013.

ABC1's 7:30, Monday:Leigh Sales:There were figures released, I think late last year, that showed that there'd been a plateau for about the past 15 years or so, you know, so it was flatter. So if there's been a plateau in recent years, how come this years extreme weather events are due to climate change? Wouldn't you have been seeing those same sort of events all the way back those 15 years?Tim Flannery:Look, in a sense what you're saying is correct, Leigh, but there has been no plateau.Leigh Sales:The figures that were released last year... don't they show that the pace of climate change has slowed in recent times?Tim Flannery:Sure...Leigh Sales: So what are the implications of that change...what you've found in in this report today?Tim Flannery:Well, look, we published this report because the Australian public are quite frankly confused with what's happening over this summer.

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If you ask me, the reason why the Australian Bureau of Meteorology published a paper on Orbital Decay with calculations charts and a computer program has a lot to do with the identical weather patterns that Australia had when the Apollo space program was in operation before the ENMOD treaty was signed in 1976.

If you ask me, the reason why the Australian Bureau of Meteorology published a paper on Orbital Decay with calculations charts and a computer program has a lot to do with the identical weather patterns that Australia had when the Apollo space program was in operation before the ENMOD treaty was signed in 1976.

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That's also the year they released the Evel Knievel Stunt Bike toy. Coincidence? I think not! All those kids, sending their Evel Knievel stunt bikes jumping into the air, robbing the Earth of its spin - how can that not affect the weather?

That's also the year they released the Evel Knievel Stunt Bike toy. Coincidence? I think not! All those kids, sending their Evel Knievel stunt bikes jumping into the air, robbing the Earth of its spin - how can that not affect the weather?

Here's the first page and the PDF link. Make up your own mind if you prefer balanced science.

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You appear to be linking to a publication concerning satellite drag calculations.

This thread is about environmental modification and climate change. What's the connection? I know a few years back there was some discussion about the very top of the atmosphere expanding outwards and knocking out some satellites early - is that the issue?

If the increase in atmospheric carbon has not increased the temperature and the temperature has plateaued then there is most likely another man made cause to climate change.

BTW, AlexG, if you think that arguing with a crank is useless then you must not think I am a crank.

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Congratulations,, you just disproved Simple Harmonic Motion and blackbody radiation - some of the basic physics that the prediction that increasing atmospheric carbon will increase the temperature is based upon.

Alternatively, there are many sinks that are capable of absorbing thermal energy from the atmosphere.

My stance is one that is based upon physics that has been well tested, what's yours based on?

Yes! It's a proven scientific fact that if you cause things to move away from the surface of the Earth, its rotation slows down. And it is right around the time that Hurricane Belle hit New York and caused millions in damages.

Yes! It's a proven scientific fact that if you cause things to move away from the surface of the Earth, its rotation slows down. And it is right around the time that Hurricane Belle hit New York and caused millions in damages.

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Hi billvon, satellites etc are moving in and the total density is increased out there by solar flux. Here is the first paragraph with some highlights.

Summary: The decay of a satellite from low earth orbit is of interest to many people. The drag force that such a
satellite experiences is due to its interaction with the few air molecules that are present at these altitudes. The density
of the atmosphere at LEO heights is controlled by solar X-ray flux and particle precipitation from the magnetosphere
and so varies with the current space weather conditions.
This article presents a simple model for atmospheric density as a function of space environmental parameters, and
shows how this may be applied to calculate decay rates and orbital lifetimes of satellites in essentially circular orbits
below 500 km altitude. A computer program in QBASIC is presented showing how the model may be implemented.
Practical use and limitations of the program are discussed, and references are given to guide those interested in
further study.

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What do you think happens when a satellite 'bounces' many times off the atmosphere before it achieves its final reentry angle. It doesn't bounce in the same spot and while uncontrolled reentries tend to meander all around the place, controlled reentries can be made to go in straight lines. I think these strait line very powerful cyclones may have been accidental at first but they can be used as weapons of mass destruction and should be regulated through treaties like ENMOD as was originally intended.

What do you think happens when a satellite 'bounces' many times off the atmosphere before it achieves its final reentry angle. It doesn't bounce in the same spot and while uncontrolled reentries tend to meander all around the place, controlled reentries can be made to go in straight lines. I think these strait line very powerful cyclones may have been accidental at first but they can be used as weapons of mass destruction and should be regulated through treaties like ENMOD as was originally intended.

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Exactly. What do you think happens when a child launches a toy in the air? The earth slows down ever so slightly, just like a spinning ice skater who extends her arms. And what happens to the atmosphere around it? It's not firmly connected to the planet, so it continues at the same speed while the earth slows. Weather is caused by wind, and thus slowing down the Earth will cause powerful storms (like Hurricane Belle) to hit different places than they otherwise would.

In fact, every single hurricane ever recorded has occurred shortly after children have launched their weather-modification toy of the day (pogo sticks, Evel Knievel stunt bikes, slingshots etc.) That can't possibly be coincidence. So far we have no evidence that children have done this in order to purposely destroy major cities in the US - but we don't have any proof that they haven't, either. Jumping toys should be regulated as potential weapons of mass destruction through treaties like ENMOD before we lose Atlanta to toy-induced Armageddon.