If Sarah Palin had been a Democrat, no show more credible than Jerry Springer’s would be giving Levi Johnston a chance to spread scurrilous gossip about her.

Why would they? Levi Johnston is a 19-year-old high school dropout whose mother is in jail for selling Oxycontin. Johnston’s sister Mercede? She got her pockets filled by the trashy Star magazine to talk about the Palin family. Read that description of the Johnston family and you tell me if you’d trust any of them to so much as mind the till at your child’s lemonade stand for five minutes.

Setting that aside, Levi Johnston isn’t Sarah Palin’s friend, her husband, her business partner, her adviser, or even a staffer. To the contrary, he’s a 19-year-old kid who got to spend a little time around the family and their daughter. Do you really think Sarah Palin is spilling her deepest, darkest secrets in front of Levi? Do you think she’d talk about divorcing her husband in front of him? Do you think she’d call her son a “retard” in his presence? Common sense says “no.”

Of course, anything’s possible and common sense isn’t always common. But if someone’s lying, who do you think it’s more likely to be? The woman who knowingly chose to have and raise a child with Down syndrome or the kid who parlayed being the source of malicious gossip about Sarah Palin into a pistachio commercial? Who’s lying? A woman who made a reputation for herself fighting corruption in politics or a kid who now refers to himself as Ricky Hollywood?

Perhaps Levi Johnston hasn’t thought through the long-term ramifications of his actions. He probably didn’t get much of a moral education from his drug-dealing mother and there isn’t much of an indication that he’s bright. Have you seen his Twitter feed? Twitter isn’t exactly an intellectual medium, but read some of these tweets from the last 72 hours and ask yourself if Levi Johnston is smart enough to fully understand how he’s being used:

i FEEL LIKE I’M IN A RAP VIDEO EVERYTIME I COME HERE.. !! WHATS THE DEAL WITH THE TAXI DRIVERS NOT SPEAKING ENGLISH IS IT A LAW AGAINST IT?

Is it true that NYC doesn’t have a drinking law .. !!! you can buy alcohol any time , all day all night ??? SWEEEETTTTTTTTT

You ever feel like doing everything in a city you visit but always end up not doing sh*t , just watching TV at the hotel & eating out !

Would you show your WANG for $35,000 ?

Levi Johnston is not trash because of those tweets. He’s not trash because of the family he was born into. He’s not trash because he’s a high school dropout and not the brightest guy in the world. He’s not even trash because he doesn’t like Sarah Palin. Not everybody likes her. It doesn’t make them bad people.

Levi Johnston is trash because he’s behaving like a combination of Kato Kaelin and Joey Buttafuoco. This is a guy who’s trying to make a living by hurting the family of the woman he had a child with. What does that say about Levi Johnston?

What does his lack of regard for his own son say about him? He’s utterly poisoned his relationship with the mother of his child and her family. He’s in talks to do full frontal nudity for Playgirl. In another few years, when Bristol and Levi’s son Tripp is in school, is he going to have someone thrusting pictures from Levi’s Playgirl spread in his face? Is Tripp going to be proud of the way his father earned his 15 minutes of fame? A “man” like Levi Johnston who sees nothing wrong with putting his own child through that for his own tawdry self-aggrandizement doesn’t deserve to truly be referred to as a man.

So Levi can try to make a career out of spreading lies about the grandmother of his child if he likes. There’s very little anyone can do to stop him since it’s a he-said/she-said situation. Some people will even believe him. Malevolent sociopaths like Johnston often manage to fool people — at least for a little while. So let him mouth off about his huge secret on CBS. He’s probably talking with his agent right now trying to figure out what it is and the biggest media outlet he can get to cover it. That’s what snakes like Johnston do when they get a chance.

The people who really deserve to be ashamed are the people who know better. Those are the people in the media who figure Johnston is a liar, don’t have any more respect for him than they do for something they scraped off their shoe, and yet still give him an outlet to peddle his fabrications because they hate Sarah Palin. Levi Johnston may be trash, but it’s the people who are spreading that garbage everywhere as if it’s credible who should retch every time they look at their own faces in the mirror.

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While he had all the potential to become trash, he has had superb coaching from the members of the media. He certainly has no leadership within his own home to moderate the process, so like water the bottom is the only thing that stops his downward descent in response to the media egging him on. Coupled with an IQ closer to single than triple digits he was really an easy useful idiot.

Know what I don’t get? That *this* is the best way he figured he could use his connection to Sarah Palin.

Think about it: even if Palin disliked him, he’s still the father of her grandchild, and if he had come to her for a job, or help to get onto an educational track that would lead him to a solid financial future, I’m betting she’d have said yes, if only for the sake of her daughter and grandson. That’s what parents do — but I guess Levi Johnston didn’t know that.

It really is crazy. This guy stood with John McCain and his family and the Palins on a national stage: right in the midst of some of the most powerful people in the country, people who wrote the book on nepotism. The list of potential jobs, schools, and internships that would have been open to him would have been all but endless — and nationwide.

I’m sure it is a matter of upbringing, not brains. Plenty of people of average or even below-average intelligence do very well for themselves in life, and few have near the contacts that Levi Johnston pissed away like nothing.

Nothing that we do or don’t do will make him go away. He will wither upon the pavement when the MSM have squeezed him for every last bit of his use to them in attacking Sarah Palin. This is nothing, as Sarahs influence grows going towards the 2010 elections, the MSM will again go into full out assault. We’ve seen it before, it’s a truly ugly sight.

A meteoric ascent to infamy no doubt followed by an equally rapid descent into a drug induced death in some seedy New Jersey flop house. The best thing we may ever see written about this piece of garbage may well be summed up on his toe tag.

Where I come from, Johnston would be called a “Townie.” (I guess we are too polite to say “White Trash” in New England). The type who will never leave the town he grew up in. Also the type to impregnate his High School girlfriend, marry her and get divorced before he hits the legal drinking age. I knew a dozen of these guys.

Some joined the Army or learned a lucrative trade and eventually grew up. Some still work at the local nursery and drink beer in their cars.

I can’t imagine any of these guys handling the situation much better than Johnston. Back then, the media might have had the class to keep it quite while Johnston was enlisted in the Army or shipped off to military school for some maturing.

This is a young man who has traded in the best opportunity that his life will ever afford him for 15 seconds of fame. The type of fame which is making him a laughing stock and someone, not a fan of Jerry Springer, would take anything he says seriously? To accomplish what? Sarah Palin can take it and only those who also believe in 9/11 truther conspiracies will swallow it. I, too, feel very sorry his son.

“The people who really deserve to be ashamed are the people who know better.”

John, this says it all, no doubt. These “people” are the real trash. I think about a 19 year old free-falling through life and it tears me up. I feel sorry for Levi just as I do for any young person being “pimped” out by “people who should know better.” The media is making hay out of Levi and when it’s all over, he will have no one to take his hand and pull him through the dark night.

I think the Palin family may well be finished with Levi, but will not throw him away like yesterday’s trash. Let’s all hope that someday a sort of redemption for this young man will occur, not for Palins, or for the good kind people of this country, but for Levi.

The depth of the hatred and fear the liberal establishment has for Sarah Palin is amazing. Obama is a rich man while his own brother lives in a hut in Kenya on $15 a month yet no one in the liberal media reports on that scandal.

The mere fact this sleazebag has so little regard for his own son that he seems to have no interest in him and would rather trash his own son’s grandmother shows what kind of a person he is.

My hope is that, by the time Tripp is five or six, Bristol will have married a mature, responsible, caring man who can be Tripp’s real father. If Levi was FIFTEEN years old and acting like this, I’d still find him immature.

David K says: two fine examples of what happens when your understanding of human reproduction is limited to “abstinence only” and “no sex until marriage.”

Are you serious? You think that’s all they knew? That two kids in high school hadn’t been through sex ed, where they talk about contraceptives, and the book tells all about them, whose friends no doubt knew about it, one was raised in a home that apparently had no morals at all. You think the only thing they knew about reproduction was “abstinence only”? I’m sure Sarah encouraged Bristol to wait, but Bristol still knew how to prevent pregnancy. Sadly, Bristol didn’t have to sense to listen. I expect she does now, but it was her choice, now she’s stepping up to the plate and facing the consequences. Hope for her yet.

Mari@24:
“Are you serious? You think that’s all they knew? That two kids in high school hadn’t been through sex ed, where they talk about contraceptives, and the book tells all about them, whose friends no doubt knew about it, one was raised in a home that apparently had no morals at all. You think the only thing they knew about reproduction was “abstinence only”? I’m sure Sarah encouraged Bristol to wait, but Bristol still knew how to prevent pregnancy. Sadly, Bristol didn’t have to sense to listen. I expect she does now, but it was her choice, now she’s stepping up to the plate and facing the consequences. Hope for her yet.”

So why isn’t she shunned for being a single teen-age mom with a child out of wedlock, especially since what she’s done is anathema to her mother’s alleged ideology?

Sarah Palin’s position is that of abstinence-only education in high school and then she’s surprised that her under-aged daughter gets pregnant out of wedlock?

I doubt that you’d be this forgiving if one of Obama’s daughters would become pregnant and without a husband when she turns 17.

Macaca. That’s all it takes. And I think he may have a few of those in his quiver. And the good part? He doesn’t have to convince any of you. You’re not the people who matter in determining the impact of his revelations. All you can do is sit on the sideline and wail (witness this thread).

I’d rather that Obama leave his half-brother in a hut than remit beaucoup $$ or sneak him in over here (like his aunt in Boston). Imagine all the $ from illegal aliens that would remain here if they treated their relatives like Obama treats his half-brother.

Your article is pure pro Palin. Albeit, I am not a fan of Levi Johnson, you not I were there in the Palin household to ascertain if what Levi is saying is actually true. People do lots of things and say lots of stuff in private that they would not dare say in the public. Especially if one has aspirations to be president of these United States.

Any one with an inkling of common sense can read through your article. You are pro Palin and you want to discredit Levi in any way that you can. Even if you speak of things that you have absolutely no knowledge about. Your article is tainted with a disregard for anti-Palin verbage.

You should check out my blog on Google: thehonestyproject365.blogspot.com.

We do feel sorry for him. That is a far cry for wailing, and crying and being afraid as some of you say… He may be used to try and humiliate Palin, but he’s not going to hurt Palin with her supporters.

He’s being made part of a machine movement and he doesn’t have the sense God gave a cat to come in out of the rain and save his future. This is not about Palin, it’s about Levi.

Levi has a son that he should be taking on the mantel of manhood for, to be an example and a support figure. Instead he’s trying to wag his wiener at the world. Such an example for a young man to grow up to be like is sad. Kinda like Levi’s mom. He should have learned by example what not to do. He appears to be a stupid 19 year old boy with no direction.

Bristol has at least finished h.school and is taking care and responsibility for her actions. She and Levi seem to have gone on completely different paths since then.

20. Stevemmn:
“The depth of the hatred and fear the liberal establishment has for Sarah Palin is amazing. Obama is a rich man while his own brother lives in a hut in Kenya on $15 a month yet no one in the liberal media reports on that scandal.”

I think you’re lost. You belong over on the Strawman thread. Goy, tell him what’s up, will ya?

David K. quit talking out your ass. A man who refuses to provide for his own family and take responsibility for his actions is scum. Levi is scum for abandoning the mother of his child, and Obama is scum for letting his half-siblings live in poverty without lifting a finger to help them, all the while lamenting the existence of poverty.

As for shunning Bristol, quit trying to tell Christians what we believe. Bristol sinned, no one denies that, but the Christian thing to do is not disown her, but to show her mercy and love, helping her to turn from her sin and raise her son right.

myth buster@44:
“David K. quit talking out your ass. A man who refuses to provide for his own family and take responsibility for his actions is scum. Levi is scum for abandoning the mother of his child, and Obama is scum for letting his half-siblings live in poverty without lifting a finger to help them, all the while lamenting the existence of poverty.”

And Bristol Palin is scum for allowing Levi to impregnate her without thinking of the consequences.

And Sarah Palin is scum for advocating a policy of “abstinence only” when even her own daughter cannot live up to that.

“As for shunning Bristol, quit trying to tell Christians what we believe. Bristol sinned, no one denies that, but the Christian thing to do is not disown her, but to show her mercy and love, helping her to turn from her sin and raise her son right.”

“One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2)

“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21)

So the kid’s acting like a Kennedy and the Left suddenly loves him? What’s so surprising? He could have gone the other route.

Joined the military, married the girl and raised a family. He might not have been able to get into the military on his own but I imagine the son-in-law of a governor could swing it even with poor scores or minor problems on his record.

If he had went down the other road of marriage and responsibility, the Left would hate him. Quelle suprise.

biblio, Bristol’s baby is a bastard child. In other words, Levi is not a “son-n-LAW” because he never made an “honest woman” out of Bristol. (Liberals never understand the facts, nor do they care) Levi is an irresponsible chimp, who refused to use a prophylactic probably because he couldn’t keep it up otherwise. He then turned upon the family like the “Dog in a Manger”; biting the very hand that fed him.

He has permanently disgraced himself and should never be allowed to see his child again. I can imagine he will someday choke on the vomit he is spewing.

At any other point in our history Levi would have been dismissed not only as vulgar but as less than a man. His greatest accomplishment in life has been the ability to get an erection and impregnate a female. The neighborhood stray dog can do that and yet this is the boy’s sole claim to fame. Please.

The larger problem is that elements in our society embrace these deadbeats and pop culture caters to their narcisism. Hollywood makes movies about them and advertizers give them lucarative endorsement contracts based on name recognition. It is a sad commentary on the state of our culture when a lack of self-control, disloyalty to family and friends, and a general failure to take responsiblity for one’s action is accepted and promoted.

A word should also be spoken to those who use the mistakes made by a teenage girl to attack her family. So listen up Keith Oberman, David Letterman, the View, and some posters on this blog. You are worse than scum. You are moral cowards who promote your agenda – whether leftist or elitist republican – at the expense of a young girl. In a more civil society with a higher standard of decency, you would be recognized for the pariah that you are. Decent women would rebuff your company and a gentleman would slap you across the face for the filth you have uttered. Unfortunately, in our vapid society you are allowed to continue without shame. May it not always be so. May one day we regain the moral clarity so that scum like you are chased from the public spotlight and forced back under the rock from which you came.

Mr.Kipling: Well said,but NOW&THEN , BIBLIOT,VIVO,DAVID the S, are exactly THAT KIND of limpenproletarian, pseudointellectual scum,that George Soros,hires to defame Palin,and infest PJM.If he thinks they do a good job,he gives them a bonus:a NAMBLA -sponsored trip to Thailand,Unfortunately,he’s neglected to pay for their penicillin which explains both the quality of their posts,and the desperation with which they push OBAMACARE in this space.Wait for Levi johnston to become Obama’s new TSAR in charge of underage hispanic girl importation.

Nice try with the email addy. Then you have your leftist friends or Kos/CAP/MM look up & get their IP and address and everything about that person and destroy them. Typical of you, tool.

When the dust settles in a few years, ds, I will be glad to meet you. We both know that there is a revolution coming and you will lose. Your ability to destroy (character assination) someone will vanish and you will be left naked.

To Now and Then @55: I refer you to the various posts of Dave K which attack Palin and her policies through her daugther. Liberal manhood on display. As to be randomly angry, I confess to being angry but it is hardly random. I think my prior post speaks for itself on the thinks that make me angry.

To Dave K. @46: Deuteronomy is hardly the standard for Christian action in the matter. A better example is Jesus when the crowd brought a woman caught in adultry to Him for stoning. Jesus showed the mercy of God and commanded her to go forth and sin no more. I could also point you to the woman at the well in Samaria and how Jesus dealt with her sin.

To Dave K. @57: Glad to see that you agree with me that you uttered filth. Recognition is the first step.

First off, I liked Sarah Palin when she spoke at the GOP convention. I thought she was bright, charismatic, exciting. But whether it was the McCain campaign or the media bias or her own inexperience, she lost momentum. When she resigned her governorship, for me, that was a loss of credibility. I can totally understand a mother and wife giving up such a position to protect her family, but unfortunately, at least for me, to have credibility as a presidential candidate she needed to show more “fight” and also the experience of running her state another 4 years. I mean, she was an extremely popular governor before the media/McCain campaign, etc., got a hold of her.

Now, it seems that Palin is working as a king-maker, endorsing conservative candidates and also putting forth some very cogent opinion pieces that have influenced public debate. I wish her all the power doing this – she is having a positive impact for conservatism. Frankly, there is a lot to admire in this woman, and in many ways she strikes me as a female Reagan, so who knows, maybe after a few years she’ll be able to re-enter the political fray…

Anyway, all that being said – with re. to Levi – he’s really rather contemptible. However, that doesn’t mean that some of his revelations might not be based on the truth. One just doesn’t know. However, given the media’s reluctance to tell the truth about Teddy Kennedy’s abuse of waitresses, or Al Gore’s son’s pot usage, or to investigate Barack Obama’s use of cocaine (which he even referred to in his autobiography) it strikes me that even if Levi’s revelations have some merit to them, the media exposes it’s own biases by going after Palin with a microscope while not even glancing at “liberal lions” except in passing.

I’m not saying Palin is perfect. Obviously she is a flawed human being just like the rest of us. And so it might be possible she said, in a moment of weakness, something mean or shocking. But when you compare the virulence of the attacks against her over the pettiest misdeeds with the manner in which the media has ignored much more troubling actions by liberal figures… hmmm….

BTW, re. Barack Obama’s brother – of course, as a libertarian-leaning person, I agree that he has the right to not help his brother out. But I have the right to look upon him with contempt for that action. Just because I believe that the government does not have the right to take a man’s money does not mean I therefore remove all moral obligations from him. However, I believe that each person has his own internal moral compass and that acts of charity are his personal responsibility. Therefore, I don’t want the government to take my money from me by force; however, I still consider it a personal moral imperative to give to the poor. I don’t want the government to force Barack Obama to support his brother, but I still consider it a contemptible thing that he does not do so of his own initiative. I see Barack Obama as an adult and an independent person who is capable of making his own decisions and who should take responsibility for them. Liberals apparently believe people are children or automatons who must be forced to do the right thing, as defined by liberals.

Kipling@63:
“To Now and Then @55: I refer you to the various posts of Dave K which attack Palin and her policies through her daugther. Liberal manhood on display. As to be randomly angry, I confess to being angry but it is hardly random. I think my prior post speaks for itself on the thinks that make me angry.”

So Hillary Clinton’s husband’s adultery speaks ill of her character, but Sarah Palin’s under-aged daughter’s child out of wedlock does not speak ill of Sarah Palin’s character?

“To Dave K. @46: Deuteronomy is hardly the standard for Christian action in the matter. A better example is Jesus when the crowd brought a woman caught in adultry to Him for stoning. Jesus showed the mercy of God and commanded her to go forth and sin no more. I could also point you to the woman at the well in Samaria and how Jesus dealt with her sin.”

The press that gives him airtime are the real degenerates. It is like taking advantage of somebody who has brain damage or in a wheel chair. Very much like Al Quaida stapping bombs to Down’s Syndrome children and leaving them in a crowded market and detonating the bomb and human carnage that follows suit , the media is using this damaged piece of humanity. He doesn’t even think about his kid, just the money they give him. The media is a like a pedophile coach having their way with a lost child.

To Dave K. @67: First, I never said “Hillary Clinton’s husband’s adultery speaks ill of her character.” If you want to discuss that point, we can do so but I will not be baited or have my point misrepresented by such a shallow attempt at mis-direction.

Second, I never said the Old Testament should be ignored by Christians. Once again, you clumsily try to mis-direct the point. Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the Old Testament law but to fulfill it. His life and death brought that fulfillment and thus He is a better standard of Christian action. Paul draws a sharp distinction between the purpose of the law and of the grace of God in Christ in Romans.

Kipling@74:
“Second, I never said the Old Testament should be ignored by Christians. Once again, you clumsily try to mis-direct the point. Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the Old Testament law but to fulfill it. His life and death brought that fulfillment and thus He is a better standard of Christian action. Paul draws a sharp distinction between the purpose of the law and of the grace of God in Christ in Romans.”

So which parts of the Old Testament law should be followed by Christians then?

15. Dave K.: ‘two fine examples of what happens when your understanding of human reproduction is limited to “abstinence only” and “no sex until marriage.” ‘

Please explain your logic here? To me, if someone understood those two points implies a moral foundation in which to practice them. It sounds to me like you’re saying that abstinence doesn’t work; but, that only makes sense if there is NOT abstinence and sex BEFORE marriage, which contradicts the statement. I believe if that’s all one understood and actually practiced then they would need no other understanding of human reproduction to avoid a child out of wedlock. Whether that’s at desirable thing is a separate question.

I have to agree with a number of previous posts questioning the judgement of going so far as to bear a child from said person in the first place. We all make mistakes.

Leave the kid alone! He is good looking, has a lot of talent and the show biz folks love him. The more he dumps on Palin, the better looking and more talented he gets. Ask him about Bush; if he dumps on Bush, his status in Hollywood goes up even more. Leave him alone!
With his genetic tendencies and access/availability to drugs in Hollywood, the prick will be out of the picture in no time.

To the contrary, he’s a 19-year-old kid who got to spend a little time around the family and their daughter.

And who was either forced into or paid to marry Palin’s daughter. Or at least pretend he intended to marry her. You got yourselves into this problem, you fools, playing family value damage control. Most people’s daughters and sons don’t end up marrying the person they got/or were made pregnant by. They move on and do their best; but as much as you wanted Palin to be some suburban every woman, you just couldn’t chance having her seen with a single pregnant daughter. Dumb, dumb and dumber. And now you want to blame Levi for doing the same thing Palin is doing, being a media whore.

Levi, If I would were you, I would be cautious about running into any U.S. Marines…..they understand honor and integrity….and I imagine a few would like to show you the error of your ways….Good luck. Your going to need it.

To Dave K. @76: “So which parts of the Old Testament law should be followed by Christians then?” A valid question – let me try to answer it to the best of my ability.

Salvation for the Christian and the Jew does not come from keeping the law. It is impossible to keep the law completely, as Paul points out in Romans 2. Old Testament Jews recognized the impossibility as well and thus God implemented the sacrificial system to atone for sin. God gave the law to reveal our sin to us but it could never save. (Romans 7) Salvation for the Christian comes through the life and sacrificial death of Christ. Christ bore the punishment for sin upon the cross and thus paid the price for our sin. The Christian lives by faith in the sacrificial atonement of Jesus to save. (Romans 4&5) Once you become a Christian, you walk according to the Spirit of God which then guides you into obedience. (Romans 8) You are no longer under law but under grace (Romans 6:15) and you become a slave to righteousness. (Romans 6:18)

None of this is to say that the Old Testament is not Scripture or is not valid. Although Christians no longer keep the ceremonial law, the sacrificial law, or the dietary laws, they are still worth studying for what they reveal about God and his people. Christians do strive to follow the moral law of the Old Testament but the harsh punishments of Deutoronomy are tempered for a time with grace and mercy. God postpones his punishment so that more may repent and turn from their sin.

I would urge you to read Paul’s letter to the Romans in the New Testament as it addresses all these issues. If you require more insight into it – I know I did – then I can recommend a few good commentaries and an excellent sermon series. Romans was a favorite of Saint Augustine and Martin Luther.

Deuteronomy 23:2 does not exclude chidren born out of wedlock from salvation or even from living it ancient Israel. It excludes them from the congregation of the Lord which was a specific entity

I’m getting tired of the left constantly claiming that Sarah Palin’s beliefs in abstinance get her daughter pregnant. They act like Bristol and Levi had no contact with the outside world and had no idea what birth control or condoms were. In fact, they knew all about it. Levi said they did use protection most of the time. I don’t know why they didn’t when they conceived, but I don’t think more non-abstinance sex education would have prevented it.

#15 (not 16) “two fine examples of what happens when your understanding of human reproduction is limited to “abstinence only” and “no sex until marriage. The grandchild of Sarah Palin, the champion of “conservative” values, born out of wedlock by a teen-age mother.”

You call that filth? Nonsense.

As to #46 . . . “and Bristol Palin is scum for allowing Levi to impregnate her without thinking of the consequences. And Sarah Palin is scum for advocating a policy of “abstinence only” when even her own daughter cannot live up to that.”

He was only echoing the word “scum” used by mythbuster. Again, hardly filth.

You gotta do a whole lot better than that if you’re sot successfully defend you’re baseless accusations.

To Now and Then @90: To exploit the misfortunate actions of a underaged girl for political benefit is filth in and of itself. While it does not sink to the same level of filth of say a Letterman or Oberman, it is still filth. Why am I not surprised you to do not recognize it as such?

“Of course, anything’s possible and common sense isn’t always common. But if someone’s lying, who do you think it’s more likely to be? The woman who knowingly chose to have and raise a child with Down syndrome or the kid who parlayed being the source of malicious gossip about Sarah Palin into a pistachio commercial? Who’s lying?”

There is no doubt that the likes of vivo, david (peace guy) s., moho, now and then, david k., and all the other idiot trolls will blindly believe Levi.

Dave K. is proof positive that leftism is a mental disorder. He is unable to let others believe as they wish. Proof is in the number of responses he made. This is the same mental disorder that has leftists plastering their vehicles with bumper stickers. They cannot stand that anyone thinks differently than them, and have uncontrollable urges to foist their beliefs on everyone around them.

It will be interesting to see if he has the self-control to not respond to me, of if he further proves me right.

To Now and Then @95: From the American Heritage Dictionary: Filth – 1) foul or dirty matter; 2)corruption, vileness; 3)something considered obscene or immoral.

What about the exploitation of children for cheap political points do you not consider obscene or immoral? Where is your moral compass? What is your moral compass? Or, do you believe in doing whatever it takes to demonize your opponents?

Pretty disgusting that the trolls can’t seem to bring themselves to say one bad thing about Levi’s behavior. As if it’s okay. All they can think do to is what they always do and exactly what this kid is doing; talk trash.

Tripp is an innocent child of God sent here for good reasons, what they are would be between him and God, not you!
Who the hell in their right mine would hold such a thing against an innocent being? You should …well, go do something with yourself. You old panty waist!! You must be a real bag of fun in this life. OMG!!! how do people make it through life with such nonsense in their heads!!
Levi is a teenage hormone looking for a place to land.

In other words,you want to restrict my “fake” speech, which you don’t like and limit it to various “free speech” zones, such as Daily Kos and not this web site?

When did I say anything about “restricting” your speech? No, that’s what they do at Kos and HuffPo to posters who don’t parrot the party line. I simply wonder what it is you think you’re accomplishing here, or who will be persuaded by your juvenile comments. Even if I could, I would have no interest in trolling Kos or HuffPo.

My goodness these Trolls are amazing- They can’t tell the difference between what an adult married man with children, and holding the most powerful job in the world did to a lowly intern, and what a 17 year old did to his underage girlfriend. Unbelievable! I don’t care how good a parent you are, 16-17 year olds have a mind of their own and will act on their passions. It is how you react to mistakes your children make that shows the quality of a person, and Sarah never disowned her child. She provide solid parental support.

By the way, conservatives give far more to third world aid than liberals, and always have. We just don’t make a big show of it. Bush’s administration did much more for AIDS in Africa, than Clinton ever did, and how you can justify Obama ignoring his half-brother provides us all with a realistic window into how Liberals really feel about helping the needy. If they aren’t getting a cool rock concert out of the deal, they wouldn’t be bothered to write a check.

To Moho @104: I apologize for jumping to conclusions. Your posts are often leftist and meanspirited toward conservatives so I just assumed you supported Mr. Obama.

As to your conclusion that because you cannot find a post where you officially support Mr. Obama, then I must be arguing that both Palin and Obama are media whores, I have no idea how to respond to such insanity.

46. And if we lived by Deuteronomy in this country, neither of those verses would be a problem, because Levi would not have had the choice not to marry Bristol. He would have been compelled by law to marry her and legally forbidden from ever divorcing her. So now we’re back to Levi is scum.

Well, you can add finding a “leftist” post from me to your list of things to do today, as well, numbskull. You can’t seem to stop digging that whole. The following is a course in logic:

I do not see how anyone who supports Mr. Obama can call anyone else a media whore.

You’re suggesting that someone who is A has no right to point out A in others. I’ve removed the first part of your thesis, leaving only the latter part. What’s left is your suggestion that someone who supports a media whore cannot rightly point out another. Whereby, you accepted my argument that she is a media whore, but that I wasn’t qualified to point it out. Hello.

ds aka dk: No, we enjoy reading what comes out of a truly deluional mind. no need to censor you.

all five of you are good for us. We get to see how demented and programmed you guys are working for the left. n&t is over the top with the vile things he writes but I/we know he is a lonely boy acting like a man. and dk/ds is someone to be toyed with and that is as far as it goes. and the racist moho is well…a racist

kenth@99 said it best. you four musketeers plus vivo keep on playing the games. it’s all good. unwittingly you are making our jobs easier with every utterance/posting you clowns make. it tells us who we are dealing with in the micro and that rational debate is useless. and on the macro level we are learning all we need to defeat you in the future.

so have fun. continue to delude yourselves into thinking you are winning.

To Moho @109: I’ve been around PJM long enough to know who you are and what games you play so this will be my last response to the non-sense you assume is wit.

First of all, logically, if the first part of the thesis does not apply to you then the second part does not as well. It is a typical if…then statement. Since you claim to not be a supporter of Mr. Obama, then it does not apply to you at all and thus there can be no agreement with you in part or in whole. recommend you review your rules of grammar, perhaps The Chicago Manual of Style would help.

The purpose of the comment was to point to hypocrisy and projection on the part of a Mr. Obama supporter. Notice the words “can call.” The words “can call” does not accept the validity of the accusation but rather makes the observations that A can call and possibly has called others what A is actually guilty of himself.

blotto@110:
“unwittingly you are making our jobs easier with every utterance/posting you clowns make. it tells us who we are dealing with in the micro and that rational debate is useless. and on the macro level we are learning all we need to defeat you in the future.

so have fun. continue to delude yourselves into thinking you are winning.”

Yes, and the truth is where, you little spineless worm? People like you are the lower than donkey snot; complaining that you are unfairly labeled racists, while taking the first chance you can to label people racists. Please tell me that your only evidence isn’t that I’ve written “you people”. Because before you write, you need to be able to show what you think that term means.

The words “can call” does not accept the validity of the accusation but rather makes the observations that A can call and possibly has called others what A is actually guilty of himself.

Did you really mention grammar? My god, its too easy. Words “do” they don’t “does”. That is if they were individuals and could actually “accept the validity” of anything or make “observations”. Normally, I wouldn’t be so stringent and simply I would point out that what you wrote makes no sense from any perspective. However, you brought out the grammar noose and you seemed intent on having me use it to hang you. Nice work.

If you were anywhere as near as smart as you believe yourself to be, you would know the meaning of the word “hubris.” When the shoe is on the other foot (and it will be), I doubt we’ll see much of you here.

“If you were anywhere as near as smart as you believe yourself to be, you would know the meaning of the word “hubris.” When the shoe is on the other foot (and it will be), I doubt we’ll see much of you here.

In the meantime, feel free to go on poking the tiger with the stick.”

If by “tiger”, you mean “retarded, drooling, and half-dead kitten wearing clown makeup” and by poking you mean “flushing” and by “with the stick” you mean “down the toilet”, then, yes, you are correct.

While it is entirely natural for conservatives to look at leftists and think “Cr*p!” I am becoming concerned about N & T’s complusive habit of counting references to feces. Only a person with a fixation would even notice such a thing. Imagine him obsessively scanning every PJM thread, looking, looking, looking – all so he can triumphantly type “Right Wing Scat Alert!” for the 100th time, thinking it the equivalent of a Wildean bon mot. (If he really wants to OD on poo references, may I suggest Daily Kos? Obscenities are used almost as frequently as “the” and “and.”) Imagine the delighted giggles which must issue from him when someone says “Sh*t!” in his presence. Which I bet they do quite a bit.

Really, son, there are therapists who can help you with that. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. Well, actually, it is but being a leftist is even worse (even moho does not want to admit to being one) and there is no cure for that, since you’ve clearly already lobotomized yourself.

The grammar rule you cite would be valid except for the fact that the words are treated together as a single unit – note the “” – expressing a single meaning and thus “does” is permissable.

Now, my question to you is do you have anything constructive to contribute to the discourse or are you just here to attack others. As of yet, you have done nothing but attack others. If you would like evidence, I’m sure we all can provide amble posts just from this thread.

I realize that racists like yourselves don’t like it admit it, moho, but the fact is that you racists have redefined “racist” to mean “someone with whom I disagreee politically.” We’re just agreeing to use your racist definition to make communication easier.

I’m sure Levi feels hurt by the Palins – whatever the details between him and Bristol – but to morph into a male prostitute for 35K is pathetic. Pretty boy like him, gotta be worth 37.5K. Who’s your agent, boy?

Levi, you are a godly beautiful creature, please contact me offline at superdeluxqualityagencydotcom – I have many men lined up for your honey-O, cutie. Yours will be fame, fortune, and richness, among other ‘things’ — beyond your wildest dreams…

My, this is an entertaining thread. When I ask little Davie K. what, exactly, he thinks he’s accomplishing here, he accuses me of “restricting” his speech. (He is also under the impression that Christians are bound by Levititius and that if Obama sent his poverty-striken brother a few bucks, it would be “foreign aid.”) Why do I think Dave would do no better on Jeopardy than Wolf Blitzer?

moho also has problems comprehending simple English words. He doesn’t quite understand what “forced” means.

Meanwhile the Third Stooge, N & T, is checking threads for scat references. It makes his leg tingle when he finds one.

Yeah, folks, this is the opposition. Myself, I find their posts rather heartening.

David K., you should really quit trying to quote the Bible, as you obviously know nothing of the intent of it. You can use the Old Testament all you want, but in case you haven’t heard, Christians also believe in the New Testament. You know, the part of the Bible written about Jesus. The one that provides redemption and forgiveness. Something that you in your bitterness and hatred cannot quite grasp. You are one pent up, angry dude. While you are busy calling Christians hypocrites and hatemongers, you are too blind to see that your only indicting yourself.

This idiot is sadden with the fact that Palin never liked him to the point that she tried to get Bristol to move in with her in the Governor’s mansion. Bristol like most teenagers in that time didn’t listen to the wise advice Palin had for her during the most crucial years of her life. My sources in AK knew very well who Levi really is so it doesn’t surprise me when I see the stuff he is pulling now. Most folks in Wasilla knew well that the Palin’s were out to separate this parasite from their daughter.

The only crime that Palin has committed here is being a working mother while being soft on her daughter on these matters.

BTW, Palin isn’t against contraceptive methods, she just thinks abstinence is a full proof method to avoid a pregnancy or an STD. – 2006 Governor’s Debate KTUU

It’s amazing how the left can look at Levi and have any positive things to say about a little boy who didn’t “feel like pulling out”, got a young girl pregnant, then blame the girl for being a tramp. I wonder whether Todd Palin is gonna go hunting for some “playgirl” meat. I hope that there will be one less douchebag, degenerate, white trash punk in Alaska.

I don’t blame Levi Johnston for doing what he’s doing. He comes from a backwater place nobody had ever heard of a year ago, has no education or skills whatsoever, and would likely be unemployed or stuck in a dead-end job for the rest of his life. Instead the kid got a lucky break, is making a couple bucks and getting to travel around the country and appear on talk shows. He’s no different from Sarah Palin, really, except for one key difference: he makes no attempt to hide the fact that he’s a talentless hustler desperately trying to cash in on his 15 minutes of fame. I say good for him–if he is nothing else, he’s honest.

What’s funny is that when you consider all the things he is doing right now you can argue that he is making Bristol’s case for full paternal custody.

The Nuts Commercial
The Playgirl shoot
Trashing the Palin family on many occasions.

All the Palin’s have done is fire back two times when he went on his gossip trashing crusade. He might argue that they didn’t let him see his son but if he were that desperate he would’ve gone to court but he didn’t and now he is implying that he tried to blackmail the Palin’s with a Vanity Fair interview. *I know he’s lying but that’s what he said. It’s all about the money and nothing else for this jerk.

It’s sad the so-called mainstream media are giving Levi a platform for his crap, but it’s sad that a lot of you are giving time to David K., too. The guy just wants to spew against Palin, so let him do it without giving him the satisfaction of your responses. I realize it’s frustrating to read the mean-spirited stuff he’s writing, but just let it (and him) go – he’s not worth the time!

Typical, don’t like the message, trash the messenger. Although, I agree that Levi is white trash (but so isn’t Sarah Palin and her litter) he most certainly has some good dirt of Ms. Palin. He knocked up her daughter after all! So much for old fashioned conservative family values.

“10. Charles Kirtley:
I agree with the article. L.J. is trash. But the Palins, from the daughter to the parents, let him into their lives. That says something about them.”

Yes, it says they’re gracious, even to the ingrate who knocked up their daughter and is besmirching their name. Once they knew Bristol was pregnant, it was better to bring him into their sphere of positive influence and try to make a man out of him than to push the girl completely into the sphere of him and his family. They were likely trying to make a man out of him, a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, if you will. Remember, the Palins put the hammer down and Levi was supposed to marry Bristol. He’d even got a job in the oil industry, no doubt thanks to Todd and Sarah.

“27. Dave K.:

So why isn’t she shunned for being a single teen-age mom with a child out of wedlock, especially since what she’s done is anathema to her mother’s alleged ideology?”

Ah, here’s a man looking to knock Christians and doesn’t understand Christianity. Fall and redemption, man. Fall and redemption. When we fall, God doesn’t shun us. Why would we want to shun others who fall? That makes us both hypocritical and self-righteous. So, to the fallen, you give a helping hand up and counsel them to go their way and sin no more.

“27. Dave K.:
Sarah Palin’s position is that of abstinence-only education in high school and then she’s surprised that her under-aged daughter gets pregnant out of wedlock?”

How many people who have practiced abstinence get pregnant? You raise your children with values that you expect them to follow. If they heed you, out of wedlock pregnancies don’t occur. There’s lots of sex ed in the schools and lots of pregnant students, too. So, you give a kid sex ed and tell them about condoms and contraceptives and don’t expect they’ll get pregnant? What kid wants to use a condom or should be using contraceptives in the first place? Even with sex ed, 12-year olds get pregnant; it sounds to me like we should abandon sex ed for abstinence only. A statistical study would be quite interesting.

“27. Dave K.:
I doubt that you’d be this forgiving if one of Obama’s daughters would become pregnant and without a husband when she turns 17.”

Dude, if one of Obama’s daughters got pregnant you’d never hear about it cuz he’d take her for an abortion. His view of babies: they are punishment for sexual activity.

Hmm. I wonder if that’s how he thought of his own kids when Michelle said she was pregnant?

Frankly, given a choice between letting my kid’s belly become a graveyard and having an out of wedlock grandkid, I’d choose the latter.

What a pathetic comment thread this is. Dave K., you sanctimonious jerk, how about if we dig through your family history to see how spotless your background is? For the record, you buffoon, Sarah Palin NEVER advocated abstinence only education. She always said contraception should be taught along with discussions of abstinence, and both Levi and Bristol attended public schools where abstinence only was NOT taught. They learned all about birth control. They screwed up like most teens who find themselves pregnant. Get the facts right before you shoot your stupid holier-than-thou mouth off. I suppose none of this will prevent you and your Puritan friends from wanting to stone Bristol Palin or make her an outcast with a scarlet letter A on her chest.

Sarah Palin is the “brilliant” mother, who has instilled such great family values in her children that her daughter chose to be with this character. She refused to teach her daughter basic skills in not becoming a unwed, underage mother. Her lack of follow-through in everything from college to elected office makes me not trust her in the least. Those of you who call her behavior “maverick” and “outside the norm” are right…she is definitely “rogue” when it comes to behaving like an intelligent adult. I feel sorry for all of you and your families.

I’ve only read about 20% of the comments here, but I’m surprised that anyone is giving any air time to this airhead – let alone (especially!) going on and on about what trash he is.

Those giving this dickhead a soapbox, TV face time, a magazine spread and WAY more than his alloted fifteen minutes WANT him to appear as trashy as possible, as much as possible, as publicly as possible. They’re counting on it. They WANT conservatives pulling their hair, gnashing their teeth and quotably wailing about him, just like N&T observes (good call, N&T).

The reason is simple: if and when the time comes, this jerk’s behavior – and the reactions to it – are going to be hung around Sarah Palin’s neck like an anvil: “THIS is the sort of human slime she allowed to get too close to her daughter.”; “THIS is the sort of filthy white trash that’s welcomed into the Palin household.” Note: those won’t be questions, they’ll be character references.

That Johnston is slime is a self-evident – and very inconvenient – truth. That truth doesn’t need the elaboration, explanation, edification or amplification that’s going on here.

The mystery that Palin supporters really need to focus on is how a cretin like this came to be welcomed into their houseold. Teen pregnancies happen all the time, to the most “upstanding” and/or socially prominent of people. That’s not the issue. The issue is how and why this particular teen pregnancy came to involve a pig like Johnston. That’s something the Palins and their daughter need to explain, I think, before they’ve earned the open-ended, unconditional support of conservatives.

BTW N&T, you were FOS regarding Stevemmn – his was an off-topic comment, not a straw man.

David K-
You are suffering from delusions of grandeur, you are no Oscar Wilde. You do, on the other hand have a gratuitous acidic tongue. To what point? Keep quoting sophomoric literary references to prove to yourself how elite you really are as compared to us common folk. But, really, David you are a lonely, pathetic misogynist. Sarah and Bristol are both mother figures and your reaction to them is so very Freudian. Did you hate your mommy??? boohooo

David K says: two fine examples of what happens when your understanding of human reproduction is limited to “abstinence only” and “no sex until marriage.”

Oh come on. Teens do this all the time. You can talk until you’re blue in the face and only hope that a quarter of what you’re teaching them sticks in their heads.

Just last week, a girl that was in choir with my daughter and graduated last year showed up at the fall choir concert pregnant and due in about 5 weeks. Not married of course. Are you telling me she didn’t know about birth control? Of course she did. her mother had her at 15, like mother like daughter, except she’s a bit older. And her mother’s a cop.

I hope I’ve taught my daughter to respect herself enough not to let herself be used by some boy out for a good time and that having a baby before you’re ready (and married) almost always destroys any dreams you once had.

Levi doesn’t know how lucky he is, attacking an honest, good soul like Sarah. Let’s go back in time and imagine Chelsea Clinton was the mother of his kid. He goes on TV and threatens to open his mouth… How long before his plane “flys” into a mountain, or they find him in the park as a “suicide,” with no note and the weapon 40 feet away with no prints…

As concerning Bristol:
I remember Jesus stooping and writing in the dirt and when he looked up he asked the woman where her accusers were ? when she said that they had left, he told her “I don’t accuse you either. “

It makes me sad anyone would listen to this kid. Maybe when he’s out of the spotlight, he’ll be able to get his head straight before it’s too late (i.e. before he follows the path of so many young celebs and ODs on something).

And seriously, are we living in the Victorian era where a tainted woman was ruined for life? Jeez, those of you who are condemming Sarah and Bristol for Trigg’s existence need to move into the twenty-first century. Teens have alot more freedom than they used to. Stupid mistakes happen (and I bet that Bristol will forever regret the fact of Trigg’s paternity) because teenagers are stupid. I know lots of girls from really conservative religious families who got pregnant out of wedlock. It happens. In a good family, the family hangs together and works it out. Clearly, this is what the Palins did. Just because the biological father wasn’t man enough to live up to his responsibilties doesn’t really reflect on the Palins’ behaviour.

And the trolls who are so enamored of a self-confessed “red-neck” whose one claim to fame was knocking up a high school classmate and abandoning her and the baby, whose allegations get consistently wilder and less credible the further he removes himself from her family? Wow. Way to pick a winner, guys.

17-year-old girls don’t know this when they hear it for the patent BS it is. We had good sex ed teachers who went through the whole thing and put the fear of pregnancy in us. No one in my graduating class had abortions or dropped out because of pregnancy.

But Levi Johnston is a one-man abstinence campaign. I didn’t sleep around in high school, because everyone would call me a whore the next day. Imagine what Bristol and Tripp are going through, and it’s infinitely worse. That baby is going to grow up hating his father and probably turn out to be responsible, ambitious and exceptionally considerate.

c m romeo@156:
“David K-
You are suffering from delusions of grandeur, you are no Oscar Wilde. You do, on the other hand have a gratuitous acidic tongue. To what point? Keep quoting sophomoric literary references to prove to yourself how elite you really are as compared to us common folk. But, really, David you are a lonely, pathetic misogynist. Sarah and Bristol are both mother figures and your reaction to them is so very Freudian. Did you hate your mommy??? boohooo”

Hi, Christine.

Thanks for that heartwarming email you sent me!

From: cromeo(at)wavecable.com
Subject:

You are a tool for Mr. hopey and changey. Leave young women..hell, just women alone, you misogynist. Liberals have so much compassion and understanding….LOL! Cretin.
CHRISTINE ROMEO

What does letting Levi into their family say about the Palins? Yes, it does say something about them. It says they are loving people who didn’t hold his family history against him and didn’t call him trash such as the “I’m so compassionate” liberals would. It says they gave him every opportunity to be a part of their family and stood with him and Bristol when they made a mistake when the compassionate left were trashing both of them for all they were worth. Yes, indeed, it says a lot about the Palins. On thing for sure….he doesn’t deserve them.

Truly the only difference between what someone like Bristol Palin has done and a young girl raised in a liberal home who finds herself in a the same position would do is simple. The girl from a liberal home would be taken to an abortion clinic. Problem solved. No lesson learned. Often repeated…

Nothing is wrong with teaching abstinence to young people alongside of teaching about birth control. It is not exclusive of the other. I’m sure Bristol knew about birth control, but found herself caught up in the moment, so to speak. Accidents do happen. The point is she is taking on the responsibility.
Vivo, Biblio and DavidK here are only on the attack because it is Sarah’s daughter. If it were an unwed teenage mother of color in the inner city I’m sure it would be an entitrely different story.

“Meanwhile the Third Stooge, N & T, is checking threads for scat references. It makes his leg tingle when he finds one.”

I find it curious that conservatives are so preoccupied with scat. I think it points to some odd repression or perhaps secret desire on their part. David Vitter comes to mind. You can downplay it till the cows come home, but you can’t deny it. In fact, your reference to it is proof enough of its ubiquity here. So, you can either deal with it or deny it or attack the messenger. You’ve made your choice. And in typical conservative fashion, it is the easiest, most negative, and least honest and productive choice. That’s fine. America is used to those choices coming from conservatives.

Why are you argueing with David K and the others like him? What does Proverbs say about fools? What does common sense and life experience say about arguing with people as mean-spirited? No need to descend into his gutter.
His presence here has long since ceased to be arguement- trying to persuade his adversary to adopt his view point thru logic- but to pour salt. Especially his meaningless attacks on Christians.
Don’t ban him but don’t feed him either. Ignore him (and his ilk) long enough, and he will go somewhere else. Likely patting himself on the back, saying “he sure showed those flat-earthers” or something of the like.

As for ‘conservatives’ who answer his bile with some of their own, you do the rest of us no favours.

As to Levi Johnston, you don’t have to be a Palinite (I’m not) to realize he is a worthless person. I had a child out of wedlock too. I manned up, married my wife, and now have three (and still with them all). I also finished med school. People make mistakes in judgement or timing, but those with character (I feel I’m not bragging in at least saying I have some) will suck it up and do the job that was thrust upon them. Those without will seek an easy way out (abortion, abandonment, etc).

The thing that puzzles me is that I have heard nothing about this clown’s family. Does he have parents?
He said the following about the current kerfluffle; “They started letting me see him and everything was fine. But everything got bad again. So I said screw them.” Gee Levi, do you suppose the comments you have been making to the press lately and your less than exemplary behavior had anything to do with things getting bad?

Its you that’s the clown, Paul Gross. It was quite a bit of news last year when his mother was arrested for intent to distribute Oxycodone [the right's drug of choice, apparently, see Rush Limbaugh...you probably never heard about that one either]. I suppose its unlikely they covered it on Fox news.

Its an open question as to whether Sarah Palin was forcing her daughter to marry into a drug dealing family, but given her absolute lack of ethics of any kind concerning her children, I doubt it mattered much to her. Indeed, given her demeanor and odd behavior, it was probably a bonus for her.

another scumbag is carl cameron on fox. he delighted in reporting the trashing of sarah by campaign aides in 2008. today he cannot even mention
her name in a list of those endorsing hoffman. i think she would have been
around for the last dance and he would be home crying.

Pathetic Christians trying to distance themselves from the Old Testament…why don’t you write a new bible that consists just of the New Testament and rejects everything before it, such as the creation myth, the ten commandments and all of those little passages you find there to convince your selves that God hates gay people. Idiots.

Levi Johnston is a 19-year-old high school dropout whose mother is in jail for selling Oxycontin.

Yeah, and Palin was going to make her daughter marry into that family. Why? Obviously for political gain, since the engagement lasted as long as the campaign did. I’m no fan of politicians in general–Obama, Clinton, McCain, whoever, are obviously going to be power-hungry and dishonest people. But I think Palin took it to a completely new and disgusting level. Its not her fault in a way, since the Republican party was basically pimping her lifestyle, not her talents or capacities. Putting her family on display probably wasn’t her idea, but she sure went all in once it was suggested. I still remember the indelible image of Matt Lauer’s discomfort as he was told by the youngest Palin that being dragged around the country as a media prop had put her irreversibly behind in school. I think even Lauer was shocked.

He (who actually sounds like a young girl) pours out venomous rhetoric and you all respond.
typical of a troll. No real facts, just throwing out crap.

Quit responding and he/she’ll be left out in the cold with his/HER?? b.s.

There are a couple of trolls here, but at least they’re not as juveline, just crappy with outdated irrelevant facts..

Levi Johnson is a misguided 19 year old “kid”…he poked around in dark places and now is paying a high price> unfortunately because of the way he is handling it…the price could become very steep for him.

Theologically speaking, now pay attention and learn something. The old and new testaments are part of the same book. The Bible is the only truth given to man by God.The theme of this book is Christ and His redeeming work, saving mankind from Gods just punishment. Our God is one and the same in both testaments. Before you get carried away by pointing out the mercy of Jesus you better check out some of His other sayings. They are absolutely frightening, even for the believer. He came as the Lamb of God. He will return as the Lion of Judah. The morale Law is still in effect. Since God’s people are no longer restricted to one nation and one people the civil law is no longer in effect. In other words we are no longer required to stone adulterers and the effeminate to death. But then again we not to put them in the pulpit to preach on Sunday morning. Since we are so close to the end most churches teach nothing meaningful about God or the Bible. Outside of a little entertainment and some moralizing clap trap you leave the church as ignorant as when you went in. You never agonized over your sin, never received God’s forgiveness nor came away with a better understanding of who you are in Christ. I should not have to be telling you the basics.

Moho@183:
“Pathetic Christians trying to distance themselves from the Old Testament…why don’t you write a new bible that consists just of the New Testament and rejects everything before it, such as the creation myth, the ten commandments and all of those little passages you find there to convince your selves that God hates gay people. Idiots.”

Even that wouldn’t help. There would still be Paul with his homophobia and misogyny.

To Moho @183: None of the remarks I’ve seen here about the Old Testament, as far as I know, are an attempt by anyone to distance themselves from it. As a Christian I firmly embrace the Old Testament as the inspired Word of God and thus authoritative and relevant. Nevertheless, the Old Testament must be read in its historical context. The Old Testament pointed to the coming of the Messiah – Jesus, not Mr. Obama – and found its fulfillment in His life, death, and resurrection. Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. His fulfillment meant that certain parts of the Old Testament were no longer necessary. Christians no longer follow the sacrificial and ceremonial laws because the death of Jesus made them no longer necessary. Christ also abolished the dietary laws when he spoke to Peter about going to the Gentiles. The early church, guided by Peter, Paul, and James, also loosened the Jewish reguirements for the Gentiles. The moral law of the Old Testament is still in force but the New Testament modified parts of it. Please see my post at #87 for more information.

None of the posts in response to David K. have applauded the actions of Bristol in having premarital sex. Most have adopted the same view of Jesus when he told the women accused of adultry to go forth and sin no more. I find it rather funny that the left often accuses Christians of being intolerant and yet here the leftists are actually angry that Christians show mercy and grace. You and David K. sound more like the self-righteous religious leaders that Jesus often warred against.

If you, David K., and others wish to discuss Christianity and its worldview, I wish you would take them time to educate yourselves about it rather than simply trying to pick an intellectual fight. I take the time to respond to such uninformed comments for two reasons. First, their maybe hope for you so I will take the time to address concerns and legitimate questions. Like I did with David K. in post #87. Second, there maybe some readers who are seeking the truth and might be swayed by your comments. So I write to correct your error and baseless charges. Either way it gives me the opportunity to speak the truth of Christ to a world in error. Thanks for that opportunity.

There’s not much I can add to this, other than my own opinion that Levi Johnston is nothing but a dim, uneducated, and obviously immature rube who happened to be a convenient weapon for bashing the one female conservative who gives the liberal/left political nightmares. He’s a poster boy for the unexamined life, which is tragic for him, and for Bristol Palin’s child. Who, really, would want him for a father?

Did his mum sell Oxycontin to rush limbaugh?
hehe just kidding! actually i never really heard anything to pay attention to about this guy including this article. he is a nobody, who cares what he says? nobody that’s who. sarah palin is part of an ignorant toxic downfall of the republican party, and we don’t need idiots like this kid to tell us that! believe me, as an old Reagan supporter i find nothing at all in the republican party these days to support, and its lowly level is actually matched by this article, a bunch of yapping and hysteria about a unimportant moron, and does nothing to address the problems with our economy and debt.

I find it rather funny that the left often accuses Christians of being intolerant and yet here the leftists are actually angry that Christians show mercy and grace.

I wouldn’t be angry about that, if it were true. You’d just be Buddhists then, not bothering anyone with your ideas of right and wrong and letting people live their lives as they see fit. But if I’m not mistaken, the Christian political profile seems to be characterized by constant petitioning to the state to pass laws that fulfill their religious views. That’s what I get mad at. I’m not out there trying to prevent idiots or Christians from getting married or having control of their reproductive functions–show the same mercy [yuck, what a word] and I’ll gladly ignore you and your religion.

Moho@194:
“I wouldn’t be angry about that, if it were true. You’d just be Buddhists then, not bothering anyone with your ideas of right and wrong and letting people live their lives as they see fit. But if I’m not mistaken, the Christian political profile seems to be characterized by constant petitioning to the state to pass laws that fulfill their religious views. That’s what I get mad at. I’m not out there trying to prevent idiots or Christians from getting married or having control of their reproductive functions–show the same mercy [yuck, what a word] and I’ll gladly ignore you and your religion.”

Those poor oppressed Christians.

Don’t worry, I’m sure that one day there will be a Christian President in the White House and he’ll right all the wrongs that Christians had to suffer under the brutal religious intolerant regimes of Zoroastrian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and other non-Christian Presidents.

Remember when Reagan banned all Christian burial rituals and forced everyone to use Zoroastrian “Towers of Silence” and ritual exposure of the deceased to carrion birds?

I remember how Christian objecting to this were beat up by the National Guard for trying to bury their dead instead of having vultures eating up their remains.

Or when George W. Bush encouraged teaching both sides of cosmology?

As a counterpoint to the whole “big bang/solar system” controversy, he wanted people to know of the traditional view:

That the Earth is held up by four elephants, which stand on a turtle, which is balanced on a cobra and that earthquakes happen when the cobra gets restless?

But since Christians aren’t trying to push their religious and cultural agenda via politicians, they were hopelessly outnumbered by the Zoroastrian and Hindi thugs and their political activist judges.

Christians, your time will come and you will no longer have to suffer as an oppressed minority, consisting merely of 75% of the US population!

To Dave K. @ 189: Without a word spoken from outside of creation, how would we be able to determine what is evil? Philosophy committed suicide in its own nihilism and post-modern relativism, where everyone does what is right in his own eyes, is leading to societal chaos. Without a definitive word from the Creator, then we are left in the Darwinian jungle and it becomes survival of the fittest.

To Dave K. @192: Your willful distortion of what so many have tried to explain to you speaks to your real intent here more than anything. You are not interested in learning or honest debate. Instead you intentially play the fool. I do not mind correcting you for the benefit of others but now you have become so obsurd that your foolishness speaks for itself.

To Moho @194: So you get mad at people who exercise their freedom of speech and their ability to influence policy in a democracy. How very leftist and enlightened of you. The simple fact is that the leftists in the USA have been the ones forcing their religious views – atheism – and their lack of moral standards upon the American people since the 1960s. What you cannot get done through the regular legislative process, you have the leftist backed courts un-constitutionally legislate for you. The true source of your anger is that Christianity speaks the light of truth into your darkness. You hate the light because you hate what you see when it shines upon you and our society. So, instead of changing, you want to destroy the light. In attempting to destroy the light you join a long list of thugs and smugs who have fallen by the wayside and the light continues to shine.

To Dave K. @195 and Moho @ 196: Idiocy and ridicule, the last refuge of the foolish and defeated. How is it that the intellectual inquiry into the origin of the universe has devolved into the leftist “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” Perhaps to some, unintellectual ridicule is an effective tool, but we are no longer seven year olds on the playground.

“Bristol Palin & Levi Johnston: two fine examples of what happens when your understanding of human reproduction is limited to “abstinence only” and “no sex until marriage.” The grandchild of Sarah Palin, the champion of “conservative” values, born out of wedlock by a teen-age mother.”

David K: one fine example of what happens when your understanding of life is severely limited to notions of “reproductive,” middle and high-school sexual education. Hope you used a condom every time you convinced a girl to let you put it in that warm place, but let me doubt it…

193. arthur: Rush Limbaugh is no longer addicted to Oxycontin but you are still addicted to stupid. Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air in today’s politics. The only thing toxic is what you are smoking. Get some fresh air. Open your mind to the possibility that you and Todd are father and son. He is a chip off the low life block. A no talent schmuck trying to bring down his betters. hehe just kidding!

Kipling@197:
“To Dave K. @ 189: Without a word spoken from outside of creation, how would we be able to determine what is evil? Philosophy committed suicide in its own nihilism and post-modern relativism, where everyone does what is right in his own eyes, is leading to societal chaos. Without a definitive word from the Creator, then we are left in the Darwinian jungle and it becomes survival of the fittest.”

So without your God, you’d revert to behaving like a wild animal?
Remind me to never be in your neighborhood when you start doubting your faith.

“To Dave K. @192: Your willful distortion of what so many have tried to explain to you speaks to your real intent here more than anything. You are not interested in learning or honest debate. Instead you intentially play the fool. I do not mind correcting you for the benefit of others but now you have become so obsurd that your foolishness speaks for itself.”

The fact is that Christians do not follow the teachings of the Bible if it inconveniences them.

At least Orthodox Jews and Muslims are more consistent in their beliefs.

Don’t get me wrong, Jews and Muslims are just as insane as Christians, but Christians are less internally consistent in their particular brand of madness.

“To Dave K. @195 and Moho @ 196: Idiocy and ridicule, the last refuge of the foolish and defeated. How is it that the intellectual inquiry into the origin of the universe has devolved into the leftist “Flying Spaghetti Monster.” Perhaps to some, unintellectual ridicule is an effective tool, but we are no longer seven year olds on the playground.”

So Zoroastrian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu, and Sikh worshipers are not worthy of anything but idiocy and ridicule?

I was merely trying to expand your horizons and help you to understand that trying to open up the US government to different religions might not be to your advantage if the religions aren’t Christian.

So you get mad at people who exercise their freedom of speech and their ability to influence policy in a democracy.

LOL. Do you understand what free speech means? It doesn’t mean that you get to say whatever you want with a guarantee of other people not being mean to you, you little sissie.

The true source of your anger is that Christianity speaks the light of truth into your darkness. You hate the light because you hate what you see when it shines upon you and our society.

Yes, because I’m Satan. So you’d better watch out, you’d better not cry, or I will leave a lump of coal in your stocking come Christmas. And then eviscerate you slowly over a bed of coals, while your feet soak in acid for all eternity. Oh wait, that’s Santa Claus. Whatever, its all mythology to me. Unless you think supporting a movement, based on a philosophy that stems from Children’s books is a good idea [or the contents of the Koran, for that matter], you’d back off the religious government mishigaz. Its very Unamerican.

The moral seems to be that both libs and righties would agree that it is better to abstain from sex with jerks. But if you can’t abstain, libs believe that condoms will save you and righties believe that Jesus will save you.

To Dave K. @ 200: I would call the bloodbath of the 20th century an excellent example of what happens when society moves away from the Creator. We have had whole atheistic societies embrace the law of the jungle and the weak have been slaughtered without mercy so the strong might flourish. So yes, with the rejection of God man does de-evolve into a beast.

The Christianity you ridicule is the fount of all the liberties that you claim to hold dear. The Judeo-Chrisitian tradition gave us limited government, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and other inalienable rights. Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, etc. do not. So, I agree with you, a government based upon their principles would not be a free one at all. However, my comment about idiocy and ridicule refered to your arguments. Nice attempt at mis-direction.

You have not demonstrated your point that Christians only follow the Bible when it is convenient for them. I would refer you to the websites for Gospel for Asia and Voice of the Marytrs for amble examples of those who die for their faith on a daily basis. If the leftists have their way, such persecution will one day come to the U.S.

To Dave K. @202: Nice play on words there, which 4 year old helped you with that one. I’m glad to see you have abandoned the intellectual discourse all together.

To Moho @203: I could really care less what you think of me or what I say. At the end of the day it does not change the fact that I speak the truth. Nor does disagreement bother me. When the leftist response to Christianity, the Bible, and centuries of scholarship is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I am actually somewhat disappointed in the leftists. My questions is why do you so vehemently ridicule something you claim to be a fairy tale? My guess is that in your heart you know it is true but if you admit that they you have to change and that scares you. So, instead of being intellectually honest, you hide behide ridicule and hatred. Someday when you want to talk more indepth and seek honest answers, look me up. I will be here.

“Do you really think Sarah Palin is spilling her deepest, darkest secrets in front of Levi? Do you think she’d talk about divorcing her husband in front of him? Do you think she’d call her son a “retard” in his presence? Common sense says “no.””
I guess it depends on how much common sense you think Sarah Palin has. Let’s be honest here, Sarah hasn’t exactly shown that she can control the crazy stuff that comes out of her mouth. The woman who listed the fact that you can see Russia from Alaska as one of her foreign policy credentials? The woman who literally could not think of the name of a magazine or newspaper she reads and stated that she just read whatever was put in front of her?
For the record, I don’t really think she said those things. I think Levi is an opportunistic little weasel and those quotes don’t really fit what I’ve seen of the woman. However, she does have a track record of saying stupid things at inopportune times.

It seems our laws are based on the ancient laws of the middle east. Hammurabi etc. They are arcane now, none the less, basic. We can call them what ever we wish and say they came from the moon, it does not matter. Man needs rules to live by, period. I am not a Christian. However, we are all free, at this point, to chose what we will to lead our lives.

If you do not follow the laws of the land you live in, leave. If you do not have laws and regulations you have a land of heathens, i.e. Somalia. Plus, I believe the trolls here are merely yanking people around. they want to argue about “anything”. Some of the responses they give are very juvenile and just dumb. As said previously, they hide behind ridicule and hatred.

Levi was the topic of this discussion. Bristol was as much at “fault” as Levi. However, she handled it differently. She has a very strong family unit to stand with her. Levi does not, and is being led astray by the prospect of money and bright lights. Remember, he is a “teenager”…they think they know “EVERYTHING”.. Hopefully as he matures he will realize he’s an being used and his son will one day see all the things he does.

I do not believe a child born out of what we term “wedlock” is a bastard or any less an innocent being. I do not believe in original sin. That is made up crap to keep the masses controlled and feeling unworthy . That is what structured religion and answering to an authority figure in a church is all about…control However, I will defend your right to belong to any Christian church you deem, or temple.