Now Ancalagon the Black? He made Smaug look like little Mary Sunshine.

Godzilla versus Ancalagon? Now THAT would be a fight.

11:29 am May 7, 2014

Faramond wrote:

Ancalagon the Black: big enough to crush mountains with his body.

"He was so large his body was able to crush the volcanic Thangorodrim, the highest peaks in Beleriand. Like all other Urulóki, Ancalagon breathed fire, which was said to be hotter than any other known flame."

I bet he'd have been able to melt the One Ring right down too.

And Godzilla would surely lose that battle. Ancalagon is a much larger, stronger opponent with (arguably) a deadlier breath weapon and the power of flight to boot. Likely a lot smarter than Godzilla too.

11:33 am May 7, 2014

Nick Nightly wrote:

Easily Godzilla. He knows a fair amount of kung fu and has a nuclear blast.

11:37 am May 7, 2014

cheap ju wrote:

Monster Zero

11:39 am May 7, 2014

Sirius James wrote:

If Smaug had a better dancing animated gif to post, there would be no doubt in my mind that he would of been declared the winner.

11:45 am May 7, 2014

Paul Rosenfeld wrote:

This was a very welcome way to start my morning! I couldn't agree more with each of the commentors and with the final verdict too. Keep up the levity!

12:16 pm May 7, 2014

Chuck wrote:

This article is simply a non-starter. Chuck Norris could kick BOTH of the back sides. EOS.

12:20 pm May 7, 2014

Zachary Holecek wrote:

Black arrow

12:36 pm May 7, 2014

jacob wrote:

when it comes to a fight of strength godzilla definitely wins, but in a battle of "awesome factor" i have to give it to smaug. a monster that can eat you and insult you with wit at the same time is completely unforgettable.

12:58 pm May 7, 2014

Vera wrote:

I have to say I don't agree with size and strength. Sure, Godzilla destroys major metropolitan areas. Smaug destroyed the only inhabited town he came across in the book, so we can't compared much, other than the damage Smaug causes to Erebor. He easily knocks over huge stone columns within Erebor, smashing rocks and stone from the walls with ease. I'd say that modern day city architecture is way less sturdy compared to Dwarf halls carved in and out of stone.

12:59 pm May 7, 2014

Dee wrote:

Godzilla vs Ancalagon the Black

1:57 pm May 7, 2014

Faramond wrote:

@Dee -- Yeah! See my previous comments! Ancalagon for the win!

4:16 pm May 7, 2014

HenryC wrote:

We have no idea if Godzilla has any resistance to magic at all. Smaug wins easily if he doesn't.

4:16 pm May 7, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

Awwww...common.....Godzilla wins hands down!

4:17 pm May 7, 2014

JR wrote:

No contest....Godzilla wins!

4:56 pm May 7, 2014

Thorin wrote:

Nobody mentions that Smaug can fly, while Godzilla is landbound. Smaug wins every time!

5:42 pm May 7, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

Smaug was taken out with an arrow. It's laughable that anyone would think Godzilla would lose.

6:13 pm May 7, 2014

Chris wrote:

Having the ability to fly sure didn't stop Godzilla from kicking Rodan's and King Ghidorah's ass.

Godzilla is capable of flight in Godzilla vs Hedorah. Smaug loses 100% of the time.

6:34 pm May 7, 2014

Nadia wrote:

I feel like you're overlooking the extra edge that Magic would give Smaug. He is a Magical creature, whose to say that Nuclear blasts would actually damage him? He also must have fought dragons in the past, I think he would at least bring Godzilla to a draw.

6:35 pm May 7, 2014

Sebastian wrote:

I fail to see how Smaug could resist the heat of Godzilla's atomic ray. MUCH less the spiral red atomic ray. He may have a high resistance to heat, but the sheer force of the ray along with the intense heat would incinerate Smaug in an instant. And how is Smaug, with how small he is in comparison, gonna knock over Godzilla with his tail? I fail to see why this is even a thing. -___-

Godzilla's not even a dragon. he's an irradiated Godzillasaurus.

6:36 pm May 7, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

I can't believe some Smaug fans are still saying that Smaug's flying ability means an automatic win for Smaug. The writer of the actually DID mention Godzilla SUCCESSFUL record against other flying monsters.

7:04 pm May 7, 2014

James wrote:

From a scientific standpoint, Godzilla's atomic breath is basically a stream of supercharged electrons which would tear apart whatever they hit on a molecular level. Smaug has "magic fire" which is the rough equivalent of absolute dick in this contest. Godzilla is also 100 meters tall, Smaug is stated as being 18-20 meters long rendering him as much a threat to Godzilla as human toddler is to a grizzly bear. Smaug may be heat resistant but his molecules aren't invincible. Smaug's sword teeth and spear claws aren't going to do jack to a monster who took an asteroid to the face (final wars) without a scratch and shrugged off a black hole (G v Megaguirus). Tail swipes like thunderbolts are irrelevant for the same reason because thunder is just concussive force. There isn't a thing in Smaug's arsenal that would even cause Godzilla pain.

7:08 pm May 7, 2014

James Again wrote:

Upon further research Smaug has also been claimed to be 60 and even 130 meters long, but even matched to size he is still hopelessly outmatched. Watch the end fights of Final Wars or G Vs Destroyah.

7:41 pm May 7, 2014

Thomas Hall wrote:

But why would they even fight? If Godzilla doesn't hoard gold, Smaug would be indifferent. And, when George Lucas was asked whether the Millenium Falcon would beat the Starship Enterprise, he said something to the effect of, 'it depends on the plotline." So, fun discussions but miss the point of storytelling? (OK, I am a huge Tolkein fan and wanted Speakeasy to choose Smaug so this response reflects some disappointment and bitterness about the decision

8:24 pm May 7, 2014

NEZ wrote:

Hahaha. U nerds. Jk. Lol.

8:49 pm May 7, 2014

madcapyarg wrote:

there should be a movie about this......and end it with a close draw or something.

8:51 pm May 7, 2014

madcapyarg wrote:

u know what guys, Chuck Norris wins this fight in a second.

10:01 pm May 7, 2014

VC wrote:

Smaug was relatively small for Tolkein's dragons. As others have mentioned before, Ancalagon the Black would eat Godzilla as if he were a peanut. The peaks of Thangorodrim were the largest mountains east of Valinor. They were said to have been 35,000 ft tall. Ancalagon the Black destroyed those mountains when he fell. His breath was also said to be the hottest flame in the known world. Ancalagon was spawned by the equivalent of the devil.

So, a 300ft tall nuclear lizard vs a potentially 10,000-40,000 ft demon dragon. Ancalagon would step on Godzilla and not even notice.

10:03 pm May 7, 2014

Garfeimao wrote:

Several points here.
1) The current Smaug in film is the size of two 747 jumbo jets, but I don't know the math on that.
2) Godzilla has no gold, so why would Smaug even pay any attention to him. Unless Godzilla were trying to dislodge Smaug from Erebor, they never meet to fight.
3) Most, if not all of Godzilla's opponents have not been terribly sentient or self aware, including Godzilla. They fight well enough, but some are controlled by others, and none of them strategize or plan anything. They are all just base instinct. Smaug, on the other hand is a thinker and strategist. He may be arrogant, but he is not stupid and would easily size up Godzilla as an opponent. If he didn't think he could win or at least come to a draw, he'd either go somewhere else, or set a trap.

Godzilla is, after all, a Nuclear Age/Science Fiction version of a Dragon, being a giant lizard and all. Dragons were akin to dinosaurs, but imbued with magical abilities, same with Godzilla, only with unnatural nuclear abilities.

12:22 am May 8, 2014

Faramond wrote:

This thread is amazing.

Well done again, Mr. Calia.

12:43 am May 8, 2014

MrCere wrote:

The one thing Smaug wins by a landslide is cultural legacy. He is THE dragon in the modern age, the standard by which all other dragons are measured. He has shaped what we even think about when we think 'dragon'. I love Godzilla, but Smaug has influenced many dragons that influence us. Godzilla casts a single powerful beam while Smaug has saturated the air, water and earth where we all live.

2:00 am May 8, 2014

Kraken wrote:

Cute

2:12 am May 8, 2014

RMW wrote:

@VC
"As others have mentioned before, Ancalagon the Black would eat Godzilla as if he were a peanut."
Orga, Godzilla's opponent in the "Godzilla 2000" film, did try to eat him, only for Godzilla to blow him up from inside.

"Ancalagon the Black destroyed those mountains when he fell."
Indeed Ancalagon wasn't invulnerable. He was slain by half-elf, half-human hero Earendil, though it wasn't specified how exactly.

7:31 am May 8, 2014

Dudemeister wrote:

@MrCere
What are you even talking about, Tolkien's books were written in the early to mid 1900's. Tolkien created Smaug FROM cultural legacies. Let's just go ahead and ignore roughly 1500 years of source material so you can fluff your Tolkien boner.

8:06 am May 8, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

MrCere - While i agree that Smaug is the cultural definition of Dragon for our age, I would also argue that Godzilla is the cultural definition of Monster/Kaiju for our age. Their cultural impact is both wide and far ranging, but Godzilla takes it here. While Smaug puts up a good fight, you go to 1000 random people and ask them to name both the most influential Dragon and Monster and i can almost guarantee you Godzilla gets more votes. For one, even though the new movies for Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit have rekindled interest in Tolkien s literary works, Godzilla has a HUGE following, not to mention dozens of movies out. I am just saying that as of right now Godzilla would win this race. As for the test of time 100 years from now, who knows. Tolkien's works are immortal.

8:37 am May 8, 2014

Fallopia Tuba wrote:

Can "Return of the Son of Smaug" be far behind?

8:43 am May 8, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

It's like Jesus fighting Santa Claus.

9:37 am May 8, 2014

Ed Tyree Oakenshield wrote:

Smaug is far better, he is faster, he can fly and he´s a fire-breathing dragon

If one consults "SMAUG: Unleashing the Dragon" by Weta, one learns Smaug is able to fit a 747 under each wing and is two jets long (p. 41), and while Godzy clumps along earthbound, Smaugy flies rings around him, with brains over brawn. And the 747 has a wingspan of 250 feet, that makes Smaugy 500+ feet by 500+ feet! So Smaugy wins on size, maneuverability and intellect! And it takes more than 18 million gold coins to cover him, and with a treasure worth 480 quadrillion NZ$ (that's US$ 414,939,135,189,946,112) so he can pay the national debts of the USA and Europe and the UN combined! So given flying, wealth, cunning, and sheer size I give the Golden Drascar to Smaugy anytime!

9:55 am May 8, 2014

The Geek wrote:

GODZILLA IS NOT A DRAGON!

10:25 am May 8, 2014

J.R.R Tolkien wrote:

you should make a challenge Ancalagon the black vs godzilla, but there's no doubt that Ancalagon will win.

10:26 am May 8, 2014

Seamus MacGillicuddy wrote:

Godzilla has had a more substantial cultural legacy? Smaug derives from myth and folklore that has been circulating for millennia. How the hell does Godzilla win that round? You people do not understand folklore.

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10:44 am May 8, 2014

Michael Calia wrote:

Seamus: That was a tough one, but I went with the beast whose legacy matters the most nowadays. Both Smaug and Godzilla are inheritors of the mythical beasts that came before them, avatars, archetypes, etc.. Smaug represents the classical, Western dragon, and is a testament to Tolkien's vast and deep knowledge of myth. But, as magnificent as Smaug is, he's essentially a summation of that classical dragon type. Godzilla, on the other hand, feels a bit more "original," and his existence is tied to the greatest existential threats of our time: nuclear holocaust and environmental devastation.

11:11 am May 8, 2014

Flame Breath wrote:

If Jackson's take on the power of Smaug's flame breath is accurate, it isn't even traditional fire... more like plasma... molten plasma. It flows threw alleys and tunnels and engulfs them in flame. Moreover, his scales would probably absorb nuclear radiation in much the same way as a sheet of heavy metal.

While I may still agree on the verdict, I feel that portion of the discussion was a little inaccurate and tilted in favor of the radioactive lizard.

11:40 am May 8, 2014

KiplingKat wrote:

He who controls the skies, controls the war.

Smaug.

12:34 pm May 8, 2014

Giovanni Galtiago wrote:

This argument brings me back to my early teen years as a studious jock among nerd friends in the '70s. I was both impressed and dismayed at the genius arguments on contrived fantasies.

What we did not realize then was that these arguments cemented our knowledge of history, science, competition, lore etc.

GG

PS: Well, and cemented our geek status that apparently thrives today. What the heck, people ended up working for us and we did, eventually, date and get married.

If Gonzilla is bulked up on brawn and muscle, rather than F A T, when will he introduce the GONZILLA Super Ninja Workout for us average non-monsters??

4:49 pm May 8, 2014

Jane wrote:

Smaug is like the weakes kaiju... Godzilla is the KING.How are they even being compared....

7:41 pm May 8, 2014

Morgan wrote:

If one goes by the movie, Smaug might bore you to death with his monologuing before you ever risk death by fire.

9:52 pm May 8, 2014

SmaugWins wrote:

smaug defiantly wins! godzilla sucks! all smaug needs to do is breathe fire for 1 day and godzilla will be burnt. I think everyone is forgetting that smaug can fly. Death from above! and smaug is 2 times the size of the jumbo jet. Smaug wins hands down

9:54 pm May 8, 2014

SmaugWins wrote:

This one goes to smaug! its soooooo obvious godzilla is not a dragon!! LOLOL SMAUG FTW

3:03 am May 9, 2014

RMW wrote:

A more interesting contest might be Smaug vs Maleficent. They are both classic dragons.

Godzilla brings back wonderful childhood memories but I'm afraid Deathwing would one-shot him in a nanosecond. Then he would recruit Smaug to join the ranks of the Black Dragonflight to fight by his side. Since Deathwing came close to destroying an entire world because he was in a bad mood one day, it's unlikely he would have much trouble with either Godzilla or Smaug.

1:08 pm May 9, 2014

Anonymous wrote:

I feel like Godzilla is automatically disqualified because it is supposed to be a "dragon" duel. The standard definition of a Dragon generally includes wings. Godzilla is more of a nuclear sized lizard which falls into the standard "reptilles" category, so therefore, no contest and smaug can battle actual dragons, for example the ones from Aragon. Right?

2:35 pm May 9, 2014

Faramond wrote:

@Anonymous -- many dragons in legend and lore are wingless. Example: the worm who Saint George defeats. Even some of Tolkien's dragons, like Glaurung, were flightless.

5:29 pm May 11, 2014

me wrote:

i think smaug will win this battle. i mean, he flies and breathes fire. and don't forget, smaug is a killing machine with the a very intelligent mind. i think godzilla is dumb and when something has lethal weapons and intelligence, that would be really deadly.

If Godzilla is huge i.e. big muscled (or as the Japanese fans say, fat) that would mean his movements will be slow.
We know the size of Smaug, as interpreted by Weta Digital, 'that Smaug could fit a 747 jet liner under each wing and as long as two jets from nose to tai'l.
So my vote goes with SMAUG.

7:06 pm May 14, 2014

Darganith of Gor wrote:

Between the 2 I would agree with G over S ,however in the world of Fantasy Dragons I would put Takisis over Godzilla every time....

8:15 pm May 14, 2014

Dimitrius The 1st wrote:

Your name must be Jon Snow, because you know nothing.

2:21 am May 15, 2014

Lord Puki wrote:

Smaug vs. Godzilla is the classic tale of Chihuahua vs. Rottweiler. As impressive as Smaug is, compared to Godzilla he is nothing more than an annoying ankle-biter. Remember, Smaug was killed by a single arrow, albeit a fairly large, well-crafted, probably magical arrow. The only two times Godzilla was definitely killed (the Iguana in NY doesn't count, as most people agree it wasn't really Godzilla) mankind unleashed a weapon so horrific as to render the Sea of Japan a lifeless wasteland and when Godzilla himself absorbed enough nuclear energy to give himself a fatal case of indigestion; threatening to take all of Japan with him when he goes critical.

2:59 pm May 17, 2014

Redheaded1 wrote:

Smaug speaks like Benedict Cumberbatch.

Therefore Smaug wins.

3:41 pm May 19, 2014

Cathy wrote:

Godzilla Wins with me but to give due credit to all of his Foes. I'ts nice to see them all listed in Names and Yrs Fought so we do not lose site of Godzillas History! Of course I am a Genealogist, so History in every area Is very Important to me. By the way, I saw 2014 Godzilla Last Week, ok, I liked It, not long enough? It seemed, and of course Much better than the 2 Originals.

5:26 pm May 22, 2014

Dolores wrote:

Godzilla wins hands down..we went to see it on Sunday..3D.. and it was awesome!! and I have seen every Godzilla made since I was born in 1954

7:58 pm May 22, 2014

Gordon Hilgers wrote:

Being only partially biased by my very name, Gordon, I have to say this: Gorgo and his mom could tag-team them both and take Tokyo and Mordor in a New York minute.

9:20 am May 24, 2014

Martin Tan wrote:

"The arrogance of Smaug is thinking he could take down Godzilla, and not the other way around. Let them fight."

9:33 am May 24, 2014

TheVerdict wrote:

Watch the 2014 movie. For size comparisons, Big G's foot could crush a 747 with one stomp. As for Smaug's flight, Big G's taken down larger and faster flyers. You could still here the smack when he bitch-slapped the male MUTO into a skyscraper with his tail. Besides, Smaug's already dead. Killed by an arrow (I don't care if it was magical, the arrow would be a bee-sting to a steel-scaled, nuclear lizard) while Big G shrugs off anti-ship missiles (at least 3 at once). Smaug's teeth are swords, his claws are spears, and that ain't gonna do sh*t to Big G. But yeah, Smaug flies so he can run away (but then again he's already dead) and in some aspects he wins. By aspects I mean charm and vocal sex appeal by virtue of Cumberbatch. Complain all you want, Big G is a symbol of nature's adaptability and tragedy's inevitability. Smaug (and his death) is a symbol of good triumphs over evil (by using an arrow).

i really want to know how you came to the conclusion that bad breath is as powerful as magic fire. I would find Ancalagon the Black vs Godzilla interesting

5:31 am June 6, 2014

John Smith wrote:

Smaug would be smart enough to understand that the weakest point of Godzilla would be his eyes, so he woukd likely scratch them out. With Godzilla blinded, Smaug could attempt to tear his throat out or something, so I think Smaug has a better chance than suggested in the article.

8:55 pm June 9, 2014

PhoenixFightmaster wrote:

In addition to being much larger and stronger than Smaug, Godzilla has tanked 15 megaton blasts in his lifetime, and battled a VERY wide array of monsters, including several that resemble Smaug, as well as outclass him in every department. Megaguirus, Mothra, King Ghidorah, Hokmuto and Gigan all have the same qualities that define Smaug in various degrees, and Godzilla has defeated every last one of them by himself.

Smaug could conceivably last a while, much the way Hokmuto did by staying above Godzilla and attacking his gills, but he has no way to win the battle. Even disregarding whether Godzilla's breath would hurt him, Godzilla would either eventually crush the dragon, or introduce him to a spark of humbleness and force him to retreat.

Smaug has a handful of angles he could play, but there's really no way he could win this. Godzilla is simply another category of monster.

6:04 am August 28, 2014

Aryan Abdi wrote:

Sorry but I think you are mistaking!!about the magnify...in the film"thehobbit 2"smaug was about 130m while you said godzilla was about 106m(but I think it is more than this)
however I'm in love with smaug!and I say he is the winner!

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