Not to mention how it would cut short so many many many discussions about whether the Bucs or the Steelers are the better team. I am not now nor have I ever been a football player, so presumably I shouldn't have or express an opinion about that sport--or any other sport, for that matter. And I've never been a singer or musician so I have no opinion about music--or about any other art. And gee whiz, I might as well just give up my profession, cause I've never written a play so I should have nothing to say about Shakespeare. And I don't know how I can be a feminist since I'm not a woman. And no opinion about anything military cause I've never been in the armed forces.

All I saw was him stating an opinion aboutA) In Vitro Fertilization being both costlyto the Health Care System, and PotentiallyDetrimental to the child in question.and B) That traditional marriage & adoptionis universally recognized as the norm.

So.. why the Tar & Feathers?

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

Essentially the only times that km has anything to say it's (a) about reproductive differences of one sort or the other, opinions that he's certainly entitled to express but that, since on the whole they tend to suppress the right to choose alternatives to barrenness, for instance, he ought not to expect to be passed in silence, and (b) about homosexuality, a subject about which he invariably expresses a less than open approach to differences in sexual preference, again an opinion that he's certainly entitled to have and express, but which again he should not expect to be passed over in silence.

And the good Sgt. is right--there's no point in responding to the gentleman because he is unwilling to contemplate that his point of view is simply an opinion and not an expression of some unshakable truth. It's pointless to have a discussion with a person who has the truth. I've tried it with Jesus freaks and it doesn't work. I've tried it with km and there also it doesn't work. Discussion implies the possibility that one is wrong and able to change point of view. That just isn't the case with km.

The few time a thread ran for a while whereinseveral people DISCUSSED EITHER Topic(before it turned into purposeful blatant attacks)it was actually a very interesting discussion.

Whether you agreed with them or not....it was marvelous to hear from both sides.

On the other hand..when the discussion became too friendly or started to actually get things sorted out,someone would make it a point to throwgasoline on the fire to get the fight goingagain.Once the turds started flying, from that point onward, it was pointless to keep reading.

Edited by Celandine (09/26/1005:24 PM)

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

He is, just because hardly anyone agrees with him doesn't mean it's tar and feathers.

And if you don't realize he's the biggest troll around you really don't know him. He only posts to get a reaction, not to really discuss anything. 98% of his posts are in the Soapbox. He seems to have a hard time socializing as he rarely posts in the lounge. Look back through his posts. He's not here to socialize, which is his prerogative of course. He's here to battle, so that's the way he is dealt with by others.

Essentially the only times that km has anything to say it's (a) about reproductive differences of one sort or the other, opinions that he's certainly entitled to express but that, since on the whole they tend to suppress the right to choose alternatives to barrenness, for instance, he ought not to expect to be passed in silence, and (b) about homosexuality...

That's patently incorrect - most of my recent posts have been about BP, politics of one sort or another, iTunes, Web development issues and latterly the research methodology used to support 'expert' evidence in a Florida court case. Do you agree on reflection that your statement is wrong?

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And the good Sgt. is right--there's no point in responding to the gentleman because he is unwilling to contemplate that his point of view is simply an opinion and not an expression of some unshakable truth.

It's not opinions you have trouble with but facts.

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Discussion implies the possibility that one is wrong and able to change point of view.

I don't see it as an issue at all because:#1 I'm not gay#2 I'm not in the military

Rather myopic.Don't you know someone who is gay?Don't you know someone who is in the military?Do you only disagree with discrimination when it affects you personally?

#1 Yes, I do.#2 Yes again.#3 It's not that I disagree with this situation, it's that I believe that while I have my own opinion on the subject, I don't feel it's my place to stand up on television telling the world what is absolutely right or wrong with it - which is what is essentially happening - people take sides (sometimes rabidly) when they don't even "have a dog in the race."

Gizmo, your post presumably meant to enlighten us only digs you deeper into a hole...

I wasn't trying to enlighten anyone. Everyone appears to be sharing their opinion on this subject, and I shared mine - which is that while I have an opinion on the subject, (I'll use the same line as above) I don't have a dog in the race, so I feel like it's kind of not right to push it on others. This is essentially what's going on with this.

It reminds me of the whole abortion issue. Of course I have an opinion on it, but ultimately I'm not a woman, it's not my body, so I don't believe I should get a vote on the subject. An opinion yes, but a vote no.

Originally Posted By: VarmintBlubber

Leslie's questions remain pertinent.

Answered above.

Originally Posted By: VarmintBlubber

Can I talk about Obama if I'm not black? How about if I'm not an American? I can't comment about gays or the military because I'm neither a soldier nor gay? How very silly.

Apparently you can, but I can't? I just shared my comment. Nowhere did I claim that nobody else can.

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