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Make your neighborhood the first to qualify for the new "This is an Appleseed-certified community" sign - reach out to your neighbors! Want to have riflemen neighbors? Get them to an Appleseed.

We need volunteers in sales, marketing, PR, IT, and general "running of an organization". Maximize your Appleseed energy to make this program grow, and help fill the empty spots on the firing line! An hour of time spent at this level can have the impact of ten or a hundred hours on the firing line... Want to help? PM Fred...

"If you really want something, you'll find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse." "Heart felt doesn't come from reading words on paper""Riflemen don't shrug and walk away... They roll up their sleeves and stand firm."

Honoring the memory of Adonijah Taylor (1730-1810) my Grandfather seven generations back, Deerfield MA Militiaman and Patriot, who answered the alarm on April 19, 1775 and along with his six sons served in the War of the Revolution.

"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." - Adolf Hitler

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." - Mao Tse Tung

"Those bold enough to believe that they can change the world, are usually those which do."-Albert Einstein

This slogan may have the broad message that can be construed to anything the reader wants .

points to consider ,

Do our events focus enough on unalienable rights to justify to slogan?

Will the rwva website reinforce the slogan ?

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Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.Calvin Coolidge

For LIBERTY----press 1For TYRANNY---- do nothinga government agency will be along shortly to assist you.

Appleseed--where Marksmanship met LIBERTY and the Heritage began.

« Last Edit: August 20, 2012, 03:23:42 PM by Two Wolves »

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A moral compass provides a basis for making decisions; an action is good or bad, right or wrong when viewed in the light of the individual's moral bearing. If no moral compass exists for the individual, then decisions and actions are made on the basis of purely subjective thoughts. This leads to "If it makes me happy, or makes me feel good, or if it's something I simply want to do, then it is right and good."

If we are going to run a larger campaign, we should make use of the double-edge sword effect.In all my time on the line, I've run into very few who were not at least aware. The problem we're running into is that we're trying to wake people up, though the majority of folks who come to an Appleseed already realize that there are serious issues. It seems we are serving less to awaken the sleeping Riflemen and more to inspire them to take action. Therefor, in it's current format, we cannot reach out to get people to an Appleseed because we are unable to even make them aware enough that an Appleseed is necessary. So, it seems we continue to gather people as they are already starting to stir.Tell me, how is letting people know that Appleseed is about teaching people to shoot and the tradition of the American Rifleman going to get someone on the line who doesn't care about either? Sure, we'll have a few awakened souls manage to drag a few friends and relatives with - But that's not enough. So, why not spend our resources by starting to wake them up without them knowing? Ask a question. Provoke at thought. And they may just start looking into it.Perhaps they'll follow to the website, perhaps they'll come to an Appleseed.Then again, they may not - but we might be able to stick an idea or thought into their mind that'll lead them down some path towards preserving liberty. Perhaps, along that path, they'll come across Appleseed again.For all intents and purposes, the low hanging fruit is gone. They've come, some have stayed and many have went. But it might just be our best bet that we start a new crop of low hanging fruit.

WHAT IS THE PRICE OF LIBERTY?RWVA.ORG

Are you a RIFLEMAN or a COOK?RWVA.ORG

Many effective campaigns have been based off of simple questions.

"Where's the beef?" "Can you hear me now?" "got milk?"

Then again, there are also the campaigns that issue orders.

"Just do it!" "Do the Dew"

Become a RIFLEMAN!RWVA.ORG

LEARN TO SHOOT!RWVA.ORG

LEARN YOUR HERITAGE!RWVA.ORG

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"We intend to produce men who are able to light a fire for Liberty in men's minds, and make them the finest rifle marksmanship Instructors on the planet." - Son of Martha

Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.Calvin Coolidge

All you have to do is log out and then go to the forum and you will find out what's open to the public and what's not.~ Two Wolves

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A moral compass provides a basis for making decisions; an action is good or bad, right or wrong when viewed in the light of the individual's moral bearing. If no moral compass exists for the individual, then decisions and actions are made on the basis of purely subjective thoughts. This leads to "If it makes me happy, or makes me feel good, or if it's something I simply want to do, then it is right and good."

smironov vodka does not create subliminal ads for non drinkers . They have their target market and ads are created to trigger buying of their product over dozens of identical products .

could a safety angle be used for soccer moms ? Is there a way of equating love of ones children by allowing them the education to "be safe??As others have said ,it has to be short and catchy. Schools and media have destroyed most of the foundation. it's even possiblie mentioning shot heard round the world may be a turnoff to"soccer moms "

has anyway read subliminal seduction by Bryan Key?

Something like a group of young inquistive children and some scary stuff built into the background .Nothing obvious ,but something that spells danger to the viewer.then " Knowledge and Education can protect them for FREE .Be a smart parent .

« Last Edit: August 18, 2012, 12:52:31 PM by Johnnyappleseed »

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Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.Calvin Coolidge

Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me. Grant me victory over my foes, and those that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and Lord if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

They are all wonderful ideas!!!! Why not use them all? Like the Burma-Shave promotion!!!!!

The Burma-Vita Company of Minneapolis was owned by Clinton Odell. His sons, Allan and Leonard started painting slogans on scrap wood, white letters on a red background. They PLACED and MAINTAINED over 7,000 (YES, SEVEN THOUSAND!!!) signs along the roadways in 44 states from 1925 until 1963 when the company was then sold to the Philip Morris Company. At that time the original company, as a token of respect, went about the entire country and took down each of the signs. They had contests where people could enter their own ideas for signs. They were an American Institution!!!

Some examples of their signs:

His face was smooth, And cool as ice, And oh Louise!, He smelled so nice. Burma ShaveBefore I tried it, The Kisses I missed, But afterward--Boy! The Misses I Kissed. Burma ShaveHardly a driver, Is now alive, Who Passed On Hills at 75. Burma ShaveDon't Stick your Elbow out to far, It might go home in another Car. Burma ShaveAt ease she said, Maneuvers begin when you get those wiskers off your Chin. Burma Shave'Twould be more fun to go by air if we could put these signs up there. Burma Shave

"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

Since my demotion, its hit and miss as to which boards I can see, which I can post to, and to which I can reply.

The response I wanted to post was vis a vis the slogans including various combinations of the words "Appleseed" "Liberty" "Heritage" "Marksmanship" and "History"

I hear on the grapevine that this caused discord on the topic of T-shirts but I am not party to that and have no wish to reignite any discord, but seeing it referenced again in these posts for slogans it got me to thinking about it again and it seems to me that it should correctly be:

"Appleseed: Where Marksmanship met Liberty and the Heritage began"

My reasoning: Marksmanship and the sparks and tinder of Liberty had been a part of the History of this country long before 4/19/75 - it was on that day that they came together and the fire ignited, and out of the flames this country was born and our Heritage began.

Vis a vis billboards I agree with GoneJohnny, experienced marketers will tell you its about keeping a simple brand image, logo and name, in the back of peoples minds so when they see a more directed approach they are more inclined to act. Or alternatively, after failing to act on a direct approach a bill board may remind them that this is not a fly by night thing but a serious organization in for the long haul and thus cause them to pickup again on the fallen direct approach. You don't use them for issues of the day or to try and have a discourse with your potential customer.

The other type of billboard which is effective is the local "Next left for best shooting range in town" type things... So on highways around a range "AppleseedUsa is now here Monthly: Five Dogs Range - next left"

And finally I think some people are confusing bill boards with the guerilla/viral "Burma Shave" type campaigns where you tease people with someting eclectic forcing them to go home and look it up to find out what its all about.

So I think the "Appleseed: Where... Marksmanship met... Liberty and... the Heritage Began... April 19 1775" is a series of Burman Shave signs to be hung on successive freeway bridges, signs, etc.

My $0.02CheersPhil

got this PM from V and believe it has merit ,

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"Project Appleseed: Where Marksmanship Met Liberty and the Heritage Began".

Simple and precise, with a web address. Not to much info but enough to pique interest. A nice pic, Mona Lisa or similar, to go with it.Only needs to be good enough, not perfect.

The single billboard type will be the easiest to use, produce, market and distribute nationwide. Billboards are the accepted marketing standards in highway advertising.

Some of these slogans/words might be pushing the limits for the program (albeit still on mission) and may not be the best for highway advertising.

My .03...adjusted for inflation.

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82 fantastic Appleseeds/24 Libertyseeds.Adventure Camp Director: NRA WC Raton,NMNew Mexico's first Rifleman: Sept. 2008 NRAWCTheir walls are filled with cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me-Grateful DeadLiberty is not a cruise ship full of pampered passengers. It is a man of war and we are all crew-Boston T. Party"Make no mistake, when you cheer for the people of the American Revolution, you are cheering for traitors and criminals. They broke the law, because liberty is always illegal"- Larken Rose

"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin FranklinVisit and "Like" the TN Facebook pagehttps://www.facebook.com/#!/Tennesse.Project.Appleseed

I really thought putting this on the welcome board would allow all members to post. Guess not, this is from a member, Technoronin,

I seems that I am too new a member to be allowed to post in that forum, so I'm sending something to you directly.

I have a few thoughts:

I like the RWVA logo, it evokes the idea of the time of the American Revolution. Of course, I'm fairly old, so I'm not sure if the same sort of images are being used in schools today.

I recommend against using the words shooting, rifleman, marksmanship, etc. They will likely cause a strong kneejerk reaction by a significant percentage of the population. The same with Liberty & Tyranny, those will get us categorised with the Tea Party, and no matter what you think of the Tea Party, it will polarize people either for or against. I think building a more neutral first impression will work better in the long run.

I think a few simple words with a positive note will work the best. Let's start by building name recognition first. Get people to the point of "I've heard about RWVA/Appleseed, but I don't know much about it".

These are my thoughts, but I'm willing to share.

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"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value." T Paine

Fred asked me to come up with a billboard for FL. After much input from local cadre - this is what I felt was best (attached). I studied mass media in school and worked as a freelance commercial artist for a few years until I got tired of starving. The standing rule for billboards is seven words or less, with one word being best. Short attention spans, high speed, texting - all make for very small window to get a message out.

Seems to me that goal would be getting them to visit website and let it doing the real talking. We found that Clear Channel Advertising has solid policy in place for non-profits to use their unoccupied billboards. All they require is set up cost - averages about $600 per cover (how they do billboards today).

The doorway to freedom is framed by the muskets that stood between a vision of of liberty and absolute anarchy at a place called Concord Bridge--Charlton Heston, 1997

"Be a man of principle. Fight for what you believe in. Keep your word. Live with integrity. Be brave. Believe in something bigger than yourself. Serve your country. Teach. Mentor. Give something back to society. Lead from the front. Conquer your fears. Be a good friend. Be humble and be self-confident. Appreciate your friends and family. Be a leader and not a follower. Be valorous on the field of battle. And take responsibility for your actions. Never forget those that were killed. And never let rest those that killed them." -- Major Douglas Zembiec