Priebus: You’re darned right that GOP will run against “European, socialist-style” ObamaCare

posted at 2:01 pm on August 11, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

RNC chair Reince Priebus followed Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) on CNN’s State of the Union this morning to discuss the implications of the ObamaCare rollout for the 2o14 elections. Clyburn, Candy Crowley told Priebus, said “You’re darned right that Democrats will run on ObamaCare” in the midterms, as she brought Priebus onto the show. Preibus scoffed at that idea, noting that Democrats are now splitting on support for ObamaCare and the administration is trying to delay its consequences until after the election:

If Democrats are so eager to run on ObamaCare, Priebus asked, then why delay it at all? It’s just a tactic to get them through one more election cycle before the “train wreck — their words, not ours,” Priebus replied:

The real story lies in the Democratic Party’s own divisions over the law, he said, and its implemention will likely benefit Republicans in 2014.

“People know what Obamacare is,” Priebus said. “It’s European, socialist-style type health care and people don’t want it. I mean the real story here is the Democrats in the House and the Senate, the ones who are vulnerable and who want to get reelected, have turned their back on the president.”

“The cynical part of me says, ‘Keep it in place,’ so that we can run on it even more in 2014,” he added.

That might not be bad strategy, either. It could be wiser to allow the ACA to fail on its own by now than it would be to keep interfering with it, a strategy that has long odds on succeeding as long as Democrats control the Senate and the White House.

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Why wait to run on Obamacare? How about introducing legislation in the House first thing tomorrow morning to repeal it? One page is enough to repeal the thing. And do it the Democrat way: No discussion, approve it to the floor by party-line committee vote before noon, and be voting on it by three o’clock.

The GOP is going to have to prove itself for once. Anything less indicates another cave or surrender is on the way.

It could be wiser to allow the ACA to fail on its own by now than it would be to keep interfering with it
Of course that may just mean that when medical care starts failing us in a big way, the emergency solution is single payer.
I have a question though. Does the average person really know what “single payer” means? We need to phrase that in simpler terms, unless we know for sure that everybody knows what single payer means. It means an absolute 100% govt takeover of health care. The only thing paying doctors and hospitals and equipment makers … is the govt. A nightmare, more costly than you can ever imagine, and just horrible medical service. Strict rationing, long waits for subpar service, death panels.
And a virtual end to medical innovation, in case we wanted to life longer and so forth.

Repeal ain’t happening without significant Dem support. If they suffer another wave election and lose the Senate in 2014, Obama will deal because Hillary will beg him to clean the slate before 2016. He’ll work with Ryan to come up with a voucher system to save face, but he’ll deal.

Remember how the Dems never actually defunded the Iraq War? Oh, they made noises to please their base; talked about impeachment of GWB, etc. But at the end of the day, they just stuck around and whined until they finally broke through in 2006 and 2008. We should be just as smart.

The truth is: Obamacare is terrible policy. Every year it’s allowed to exist undermines public confidence in gov’t services. It’s a gold mine. Let them twist in the wind.

Priebus: You’re darned right that GOP will run against “European, socialist-style” ObamaCare

What a bunch of pig slop.

He knows full well that the gop leadership is going to let ObamaCare be fully implemented (they’ve LET IT BE FUNDED ever since it passed). NAME ONE FUNDING BILL they have stopped as the apparatus has been built? I bet you can’t.

The gop as an effective OPPOSITION party is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

They have their own Progressive, big government Compassionate Conservative, thousand points of light federal teats they want to create to fund THEIR priorities and GROW the Federal government the way THEY want.

If you think the republicans don’t love big government as much as the Democrats then you’ve been breathin’ the fumes in the hen house too long.

Priebus: You’re darned right that GOP will run against “European, socialist-style” ObamaCare

What a bunch of pig slop.

He knows full well that the gop leadership is going to let ObamaCare be fully implemented (they’ve LET IT BE FUNDED ever since it passed). NAME ONE FUNDING BILL they have stopped as the apparatus has been built? I bet you can’t.

The gop as an effective OPPOSITION party is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

They have their own Progressive, big government Compassionate Conservative, thousand points of light federal teats they want to create to fund THEIR priorities and GROW the Federal government the way THEY want.

If you think the republicans don’t love big government as much as the Democrats then you’ve been breathin’ the fumes in the hen house too long.

DEFUND OBAMACARE, no matter how you have to do it!!!

PROVE IT gop!!

and STOP THE PUSH FOR AMNESTY!!

PappyD61 on August 11, 2013 at 2:25 PM

And if the GOP won’t defund it, take it to your state capital and tell them to nullify the bastard!

Seems to me that if you want people to believe you actually Oppose this mess, you’d do something to eliminate it anyway, especially since the Dems in the Senate will fight tooth and nail to keep it alive – then at least you have a track record of trying to actually do something about it. (as opposed to Symbolic Gestures when they don’t count.)

OMG! Someone in the GOP actually used the S-word, socialism, to describe Comrade O’s planned government takeover of the health insurance industry, and by proxy the entire health care industry. Start of a trend? A widespread response to the constant drumbeat from the Dems about GOP racism, its war on women, its heartless and uncaring desire to deprive 30 million Americans of heath care, etc?

Probably not. Nominal Republican and GOP appointee Chief Justice Roberts tossed away the last best hope of overturning Obamacare. Seems big government Republicans just accept whatever socialism the Democrats manage to impose on the country whenever they can and go from there. They pay lip service to get votes.

What daring one-shot one-liner will one of the GOP PTB make next? Will someone dare to call out the race baiters and race hustlers on unfounded unsupported charges of racism? Probably not. Many big government Republicans are silently okay with branding the Tea Party as racist. It serves their purposes.

THIS is the father of the modern day republican party. And his legacy were incorporated in the subsequent gop nominees from 1928 to 1976. And then again from 1988 to 2012. You think this is a CONSERVATIVE limited government party leadership?

T-H-I-N-K A-G-A-I-N

Theodore Roosevelt pushed executive powers to new limits, arguing that the rise of industrial capitalism had rendered limited government obsolete.

He took on the captains of industry and argued for greater government control over the economy, pursuing a two-pronged strategy of antitrust prosecutions and regulatory control.

He pushed through legislation that gave the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) new powers to set railroad rates, laying the foundation for the modern administrative state.

Casting himself as steward of the nation’s natural resources, he presided over the birth of the conservation movement, and began locking up lands for the Federal government through the National Parks.

At Harvard, he concentrated on the natural sciences but was also drawn to courses in political economy taught from the prevailing perspective of the day, laissez-faire economics, which he later repudiated. Given that Roosevelt would publish a number of well-received historical studies and serve as president of the American Historical Association, it is noteworthy that in college he took only one history class, the required sophomore course in Anglo–American constitutional history.

While a law student, he took courses with John W. Burgess. An admirer of all things German, especially the philosopher G. F. W. Hegel, Burgess rejected the Anglo–American social compact theory of government.

Burgess was especially vehement in rejecting the idea that the purpose of government was to protect the natural rights of individuals. Instead, he argued that history was unfolding according to a rational plan that would eventuate in a more “ethical” state. By this, he meant that as the state developed, it would concern itself not only with material ends, but also with spiritual ends. Although Roosevelt and Burgess would later diverge on important political issues, as a Progressive, Roosevelt too would be attracted to the idea of engrafting German ideals onto the American constitutional order to make it more “ethical.”

While in the Dakota Territory, Roosevelt was invited to write a biography of Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton for the prestigious American Statesman Series at Houghton Mifflin. Cranked out in five months while Roosevelt was cow punching out West, the biography defended “Manifest Destiny” in stark Darwinian terms. As Roosevelt explained, it was “our manifest destiny to swallow up the land of all adjoining nations who were too weak to stand with us.”. He dismissed as “maudlin nonsense” arguments that the white men had robbed the Indians of their lands and saw nothing wrong with the Texas frontiersmen who regarded “the possessions of all weaker races as simply their natural prey.”

Ignoring the principles of the Declaration of Independence, Roosevelt saw these conflicts as contests between unequal races at very different stages of development. In his view, historical development rather than “abstract” equal natural rights provided the standard by which the races should be judged.

Turning the gop into a true limited government CONSERVATIVE party will take generations. Is it worth the effort?

“The cynical part of me says, ‘Keep it in place,’ so that we can run on it even more in 2014.”

I think that’s precisely the GOP establishments strategy, they’re going to fund Obamacare, enable it to procede, then pretend like they’re against it in ’14, ’16, and for decades to come, election after election… always funding it, always enabling it, always trying to fool gullible low-info voters into voting for them because they pretend to oppose Obamacare, when in fact they don’t.

Priebus: You’re darned right that GOP will run against “European, socialist-style” ObamaCare

What a bunch of pig slop.

He knows full well that the gop leadership is going to let ObamaCare be fully implemented (they’ve LET IT BE FUNDED ever since it passed). NAME ONE FUNDING BILL they have stopped as the apparatus has been built? I bet you can’t.

The gop as an effective OPPOSITION party is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

They have their own Progressive, big government Compassionate Conservative, thousand points of light federal teats they want to create to fund THEIR priorities and GROW the Federal government the way THEY want.

If you think the republicans don’t love big government as much as the Democrats then you’ve been breathin’ the fumes in the hen house too long.

If the GOP thinks it can shove an amnesty bill down our throats and still have us toddle off to the polls to defend them from Obama and his Merry Band of Socialist Thieves… they better get off the fence and start OPPOSING the Obama agenda.

They can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. And if they choose to continue being “part of the problem”, it’s going to be time for a third party. We are sick and tired of choosing between the fast track or the slow one, when the inexorable path is European-style socialist RUIN.

This is coming from the guy who is scheming behind our backs to pass amnesty.

Mark1971 on August 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Anything these establishment politicians say to the conservative base, they are saying to people they intend to swamp with mass immigration. They are talking to people who, though policies they support (policies like mass immigration, forced integration and affirmative action for immigrants), will have no future and won’t be able to exact any penalty for the betrayal.

And then, when through mass immigration and the “browning of America” that the left gloats over, the electorate is far to the left of where it is today, the establishment politicians will move left to capture that new electorate, abandoning the “principles” they supposedly believe in. There’s no other way the endgame can work out for the establishment.

Pseudo-conservative establishment politicians are traitors. Nothing these guys say can be trusted.

If this guy is the face of the GOP, good riddance to them all. Let the Donks take the country down the drain toward revolution. Somebody who designs new lamp posts with integrated gallows nooses will sure to be very rich after it’s all over.

Anything these establishment politicians say to the conservative base, they are saying to people they intend to swamp with mass immigration. They are talking to people who, though policies they support (policies like mass immigration, forced integration and affirmative action for immigrants), will have no future and won’t be able to exact any penalty for the betrayal.

And then, when through mass immigration and the “browning of America” that the left gloats over, the electorate is far to the left of where it is today, the establishment politicians will move left to capture that new electorate, abandoning the “principles” they supposedly believe in. There’s no other way the endgame can work out for the establishment.

Pseudo-conservative establishment politicians are traitors. Nothing these guys say can be trusted.

How will it fail when a bunch of people will be getting something for nothing? Again. Although I don’t think enough young people are going to want insurance enough to pay even a minor amount. We’re lucky they think they are invincible.

Priebus was good when it came to taking on fat candy on CNN. She tried to bully him and talk over him but he did come out with a solid conservative message. Of course the rest of you are right. It’s no good if he lets amnesty happen. If they buy that crap it is all over.
But,it was refreshing to hear him say the people know what obamcare is and they don’t want it and even the politicos on the left don’t want it.
We may stand a chance to get rid of zerocare,hard to tell its the amnesty bill that worries me.

I think the Cruz wing of the GOP means well, but their strategy is flawed. The GOP needs to stuff all 2200+ pages down the throat of the low information Obama voter by enforcing it to its fullest. Only then will you have the ground swell to repeal it.

It is actually the ONLY strategy that can succeed. Let the mandate take effect, let all these young people and LIVs discover they will now either have to pay up for coverage they don’t want or else get hit at tax time with the penalty. Without Obama on the ballot, the emotional attachment of racist blacks (sorry for the redundancy) for him won’t bring them to the polls.

We need the Congress – House AND Senate – and probably the White House, too, to ever stop it and repeal it forever.

Those who believe we can shut down the government over the budget OR refuse to raise the debt ceiling and force an end to ObamaCare that way are just STUPID. You have to be an idiot to think it would work.

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First of all, Republicans are ALWAYS blamed for government shutdowns or impasses like the debt ceiling, going back to Reagan. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Maybe its the media, maybe we can’t boil down a fiscal message into a meaningless but catchy sound bite like the Democrats can, but the record is there in opinion polls. We can’t win public opinion that way.

Also, Obama don’t play that. He is a diehard socialist who will play hardball because he doesn’t care who gets hurt as long as he wins. When the government shuts down, he will abuse his discretion and cut off Social Security, military paychecks, all the parks, all the airports. It will be a true “shutdown” and won’t take a week for the people to be ready to lynch every Republican.

Buddhist monks in Vietnam used to set themselves on fire to protest. Any idea of shutting down the government is Republican suicide.

I think the Cruz wing of the GOP means well, but their strategy is flawed. The GOP needs to stuff all 2200+ pages down the throat of the low information Obama voter by enforcing it to its fullest. Only then will you have the ground swell to repeal it.

Tater Salad on August 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

There’s already a groundswell against Obamacare, so tell us again why you want to shove Obamacare down our throats, anyway, and then expect us to vote for your crappy candidates.

And I think the “shove Obamacare down Americas throat and make them suffer” wing of the GOP means ill. I think they are manipulating voters, lying about their opposition to Obamacare when in fact they’re a bunch of old Romneycare supporters who are only using public opposition to Obamacare to score cheap partisan political points. In fact, if we’re dumb enough to give the GOP control of the government again it is even less likely they’ll repeal Obamacare because then they will be too afraid that they may lose power. Instead, they will break every promise to the gullible voters and serve their cronies, instead.

It could be wiser to allow the ACA to fail on its own by now than it would be to keep interfering with it,

Exactly what I have been thinking. Let it go into effect, let people feel the full impact of what a disaster it is. If we “save the country” from it now, the Democrats will say that it would have worked had it not been interfered with and will be right back with a different plan just as soon as they get control of the government again. If we allow the train wreck to happen and it gets repealed, the people aren’t going to be very receptive to more Democrat meddling in the future.

How will it fail when a bunch of people will be getting something for nothing? Again. Although I don’t think enough young people are going to want insurance enough to pay even a minor amount. We’re lucky they think they are invincible.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

EXACTLY!!!!

There will be short term winners with Ocare especially if they keep delaying the mandates and if the exec. can pick which rules apply and when. They will lipstick this beast for the next 10 years, even if it they have to turn it into an unfunded program, at which point … like Madam president eloquently stated … what diff. , a.t.p , does it make….

Rs seem to be in all ways tarhd. If they don’t stand up and represent now , while they have public opinion on OCare and they have the house, then they might as well say goodnight.

Those of us who want to do away with Obamacare can argue about the strategy best to do that. Whether it’s pushing to de-fund and repeal now, or waiting till it people turn against it in greater numbers as they realize the horror of it.

What should be clear to all by now though, is that the GOP is not a party that is united in repealing that law. In this case, whatever strategy we use will ultimately be stymied by the Republican leadership who are dedicated to keeping it in place.

And I disagree with Adjoran up-thread. Obama would take the heat for any shutdown. His support is actually much lower than the bogus 41% listed on Drudge a couple days ago. The entire world can see who took the crap that’s been stinking up the room for the last few years.

Liberal talking heads, which include RINOs, don’t get that the idea is not to die on any hill. The object is to make the Democrats politically die there.

Liam on August 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

That’s gravy. I’d like to see them stand up for something whether the dems die, the Rs take a beating or it’s a wash. If you believe that massive government growth is the cause of much of our societal ills then you have to fight Obama Care with everything and every (lawful) technique at your disposal.

The electorate, even the LIVs, respect and are drawn to conviction and action. Everyone except the RINO has a natural repulsion to the gutlesssquishylukewarm moderation that BonerCantor practice.. It’s why Obama and his 17% real unemployment won. Obama represented and stood for “something” while his opponent didn’t.

Behold, the 0.000000000001% that likes to hear the sound of True_King’s voice. I suppose he has proof that I’m among those who will vote for these people. Perhaps on a post-it note stuck to the edge of his mirror. That should make it easy for him to find.

So whats the GOP plan to replace it with? Cross state lines competition, less government intervention via Medicare? Any plans to deal with preexisting conditions, high deductible plans are still driving people into heavy debt.

Nothing wrong with that, but I think it’s more important that there be two sides that can win power in elections.

For now it’s only the liberals that can hold power, with one side advancing their policies more quickly than the other, but both sides pushing always in the same direction.

The real gulf is between the ruling apparatus supported by the mass media, and the people the system doesn’t like. You can tell who they are, because they are on the wrong side of affirmative action and practically every government policy, and they have no effective representation, no party that wants to undo these bad laws, no matter which side you elect.

Sen Grassley and other GOPers start pulling out of working on the BULLSCHMIDT with the DEMS

Riotous Townhalls start RAGING all over the fruited plain

The DEM Senate Leadership buys off enough of their frightened Senators in their fetid backrooms to reach cloture on the BULLSCHMIDT, since dead Ted is not dead yet, and they have 60 DEM Senators (but, without a single GOP vote)

DEMs manage to buy off just enough of their Bluedogs in the HOR, with an empty lie from The Phoney that he will use an EO to stop public funding of abortion within the hated Obamacare BULLSCHMIDT, and thus they manage to squeeze a totally partisan Bill through the HOR at the dead of night on Christmas Eve, no less (in an effort to have the LEAST number of Americans taking notice of the vote, broadcast ‘LIVE’ on cable …)

Scott Brown (R) then gets elected in ‘blue’ MA (Jan 2010 special election ) to replace dead Ted for ONE reason – he promises to be the 41st Senate vote AGAINST CLOTURE on the Obamacare BULLSCHMIDT Conference Bill.

the DEMS can’t risk a Conference with the Senate so the DEMs *deem* the BULLSCHMIDT via their fetid backrooms … *all done against the will of the people* over and over and over again ….

The Phoney signs in March 2010.

The ANGST against the DEMs/Obamacare RAGES ON resulting in a Conservative Landslide in the HOR Nov 2010 and huge gains in the Senate

….. the GOPe in their ‘wisdom’ then run ROMNEYCARE against OBAMACARE in 2012 and wonder why they don’t win…..

During the Campaign Romneycare tells America that he STILL thinks Romneycare (the father of Obamacare) is a ‘good idea’

Let the riotous Townhalls of 2013 RAGE ON

To pass the sep CR without defunding the hated Obamacare BULLSCHMIDT will require the emasculated RINO leadership to break the Hastert Rule, Collude with the DEMs and SUBMIT to the Lying Corrupt Phoney …

it will be their last act of submission, if they do ….. because the 2014 midterms will be a RAGING CLEANSING Conflagration, led by Palin, Cruz and Demint

Yeah, that’s the other thing – they same people who tore down Sarah Palin for being a peasant upstart using harsh language like “death panels” are now the people who will supposedly fun against federal Romneycare – and actually get rid of it.

Doesn’t this fool realize that if Amnesty goes through, per his wishes, Obamacare won’t matter!!!

He was the guy who also withheld support for Marc Sanford in SC Rep race .Maybe Priebus was rooting for Sanford’s Democratic rival–an Amnesty supporter–all along. Not surprisingly, Sanford was actually behind in the polls when Priebus withheld support–and surged to victory afterward, a testimony to Priebus’ “charisma”.

By far the best strategy is to find some testicles you can hand out on the floor of CONGRESS–yeah, you, Boehner–so that Republicans might find the cojones to stand up against ObamaCare and feckin’ DEFUND the bitch.

But no Republican will do it. They’re cowards. So, to be “cynical” about it and let ObamaCare get funded, will go down in history as the moment of the death knell for the GOP, and the ripping sound of the split that gives birth to a new conservative party.

What is the reason to vote Republican if they’re just going to be progressive communists because it suits their re-election agenda?

I can’t find one. And, I won’t bother to vote for ANY REPUBLICAN who doesn’t support Cruz and Rand Paul’s efforts to defund ObamaCare. There is simply no good argument to vote for ANY bill–debt, budgetary or otherwise–that provides money from Congress for this abomination. And, ANY vote to allow funding for it WILL be used against Republicans, and they will have NO ARGUMENT to refute what they’ve done.

When Democrats say “but you voted to fund ObamaCare,” Republicans will hang their heads in shame because it will be indisputable fact. Far better to stand up and be counted as courageous when the Democrats try to argue that it’s the GOP’s fault that the government was “shut down” because they denied funding for ObamaCare! Then, the GOP will have the response that it was OBAMA who shut down the government with his veto. Anything else, is simply COWARDICE, GOP.

Mark my words. The people WILL REMEMBER that the GOP were cynical cowards who didn’t have the courage to stand on principle. They won’t bother to vote next time. And, why should they?

Frankly that goes for NSA spying as well. Republicans are earning a reputation for tyrannical anti-Constitutionalism by supporting this on the basis of “security.” It’s an outrageous lie and it makes me SICK to see Republicans violating our Constitutional rights to support NSA spying on EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. They are BREAKING THE LAW–giving the IRS, the DEA, the FBI, the CIA and the NSA the right to break the law. I am disgusted with the GOP.

I am not interested in an alternate Republican plan to Obamacare…I want the feral government out of the healthcare, education, spying, and numerous other areas. Government is not the solution but the problem and I want them to STOP trying to help.

Why wait to run on Obamacare? How about introducing legislation in the House first thing tomorrow morning to repeal it? One page is enough to repeal the thing. And do it the Democrat way: No discussion, approve it to the floor by party-line committee vote before noon, and be voting on it by three o’clock.

The GOP is going to have to prove itself for once. Anything less indicates another cave or surrender is on the way.

They ran against Obamacare in 2010, it’s why they won..Then they let us down. The GOP stopped fighting it. The House did their part,in name only. The senate including Mr. Brown goes to Washington, (with the assistance of my 25 bucks that never would occur again)did nothing.

The GOP including Reince Priebus had the ability to keep this in the news 24/7…THAT window has closed. The GOP wonder too why I no longer send them any money. They are fortunate I still go out to vote. The non voting republicans will increase, he should concentrate on that immediately.

An old, rugged, world war II veteran, mentor, and friend gave me some memorable advice years ago . In discussing a situation where he seemed to have lost the argument and the wrong side was winning against him ,he said: “Son they may win in the end. They may take me down. But, before I go down, I will be able to show you where a bunch of the bastards are buried! I will not drown in shallow water!” Seems that attitude should guide us in these battles. So what if we lose some..we will win many more battles if we only have the resolve to FIGHT!

Single Payer?? 100% gov’t run? Who is going to tell all the health insurance companies they are out of business? Certainly not members of Congress who depend of their bribes donations to stay in office.