Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer will veto a controversial bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to gays and lesbians on the grounds of their religious conviction, NBC News is reporting via Twitter.

More: Brewer "doesn't want to take any actions that could jeopardize the economic momentum" in Arizona, source says

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer will veto a controversial bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to gays and lesbians on the grounds of their religious conviction, NBC News is reporting via Twitter.

Brewer has been under intense pressure from business groups and political leaders to diffuse the situation and veto the legislation which they fear will draw unnecessary attention to Arizona a year before it hosts the next Super Bowl and following economic losses on controversial immigration stances.

My bet is she caves. She'll be scared that republicans will be blamed if homo-friendly NFL and Apple take their business elsewhere. She also can't run for reelection and last time I checked a democrat was the leading contender to replace her. So she will put party and politics over the word of God.....the except same thing 99% of worthless republicans do every day of the week.

The bill does not mention gays. This is a religious freedom law. The legislature made the mistake of not having press releases before it went public instead of letting the media define what they passed.

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posted on 02/25/2014 3:03:53 PM PST
by DLfromthedesert
(She accomplished nothing: should have stayed at home and baked cookies)

I just read the one page bill (not sure if it was the final version sent to the governor). I do have problems with certain provisions... It is certainly not an absolute religious freedom bill. It allows for the state to regulate for “compelling interest”. I wonder if the state could force you to sell a cake to a gay couple to prevent economic boycott of the state- seems like a compelling interest.

God help us if the country clubbers at the Chamber of Commerce don’t make money. we surely should not stand in their way. In fact we should just open the borders and allow everybody want to come in just so they can have cheap labor also and put the rest of us out of work. (sarcasm)

How many electoral votes did Barry Goldwater get? Purity in intent rarely works in real life. I’m against gay marriage AND this bill. It goes WAY over the top. It would also give practitioners of Islam a wide-open door to Sharia law. I doubt you would want that result.

Just because the lesser of two evils is evil doesn’t mean you don’t have to live with one of those options sometimes. This law helps very few people and has the words UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES written all over it.

Declaring religious freedom will attract lots of businesses and God fearing, believing tolerant people who just don’t want the state forcing them to bend to the 2% GLAD crowd.
People of faith have rights too and the constitution says they have the right to religious freedom. Making people violate their deeply held religious tenants with laws outside the traditional legal boundries of the constitution is a problem for many.

I think Arizona will see a big swing of people who go there like the Pilgrims,Quakers for living with other decent people who aren’t perverts.

There was a scene in the Charton Heston movie Moses that always out to me.

It was when the Jews were worshiping the golden calf and Arron was standing there half halfheartedly lifting up some type of incense to be part of the crowd. He always stuck out to me as such a coward. McCain, Romney, and so many other rinos are doing the same thing.

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posted on 02/25/2014 3:23:03 PM PST
by icwhatudo
(Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)

I think you’re right, just because everyone seems to be doing the wrong thing anymore, but I wonder, if she’s not running for re-election, what would it cost her to just do the right thing and sign this?

“doesnt want to take any actions that could jeopardize the economic momentum

As the old saying goes, youre only a whore once.

Once any part of you can be bought for money, you are one.”

I just now had time to poke around the web and saw the NFL’s threat on this issue. HEY YOU FOOLS RUNNING SOMETHING THAT USED TO BE ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPORTS - The above sentiments apply to you as well!

Yep. In modern America, Christians are expected to submit to homosexual activists. And the GOP-E is marching in lockstep with the homosexual activists...including McCain and McFlake in Arizona. Brewer won’t fight the GOP-E on this one.

Just because the lesser of two evils is evil doesnt mean you dont have to live with one of those options sometimes.

Correct, but a very unpopular sentiment here. I'm not sure on this particular bill, I actually support it - though if I read enough of the counter arguments I might be able to at least see the reasoning.

Your point is correct though. It's no different than elections in our 2 party form of government. So long as we have a winner take all system with no option for coalition government, you will virtually always be voting for the lesser of 2 evils because "pure" candidates can almost never get through the process. Casting a ballot in a general election, for example, is not usually an affirmative vote FOR someone, it is just as often (or perhaps more often) a vote AGAINST a politician who's policies you disagree with even more.

What is sad is how fast the culture/morality has deteriorated that a bill like this would even feel necessary to so many people. I suppose the bright side is there is a libertarian streak that accompanies the normalization of destructive lifestyles, that libertarian streak may also result in more and more people rejecting government at all levels rather than just the social libertarian stuff. Then again, we may just be on the proverbial highway to hell here.

As as I can see, this is just another ‘smoothly worded’ disaster waiting to happen.
Pretty sure the intention was just so a bakery wouldn’t have to make a specific cake etal ....

If I owned a bakery, I think that to get around this ‘problem’ you just set up a catalog of cakes that you make for certain events...NO DEVIATIONS.

Then again there is nothing stopping Joes Bakery up the street from putting out the word “WE DON’T CARE WHAT YOU PUT ON YOUR CAKE”.

Restaurants do it...They can put ‘mashed potatoes’ on the menu with the Pot Roast and if you want ‘french fries’ they can say it is not on the menu that way.

Same with a cake. Traditional cake has man and woman on top.
Show that in your catalog.
Offer to make a ‘plain cake’ with NO characters on it and direct them to where the figurines are sold.
Plain cake and sell the figurines yourself, separate, in pairs. If you want 2 dudes, or 2 dudettes, buy 2 sets and do with them what you wish. OUTSIDE MY SHOP.
Charge an outlandish price for the figurines if sold separately as it messes up your inventory.
NO, I do not want the ‘extra’ set in case another ‘couple’ shows up.
NO, I will NOT place them on the cake, MY cakes are made with a Man and Woman on top.
Try Joes bakery up the street.
If Joe gets enough referrals from you and you start losing business, that is called Capitalism.
You can’t force people to buy from you BUT if your business suffers because you don’t ‘cater to certain groups’, either change or go out of business.

That is the way they should have handled the smoking situation in bars.

Govt has no problem telling me I CAN’T - under any circumstance in many jurisdictions - allow smoking in MY business, so, in the same vein I should be able to sell what I want - legally.

Let Government set your ‘menu’ and next they will be setting your hours and how many people you can hire.

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posted on 02/25/2014 4:41:37 PM PST
by xrmusn
(6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)

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