e0y2e3 wrote:Beal, if anything will shoot up draft boards as GMs see his ridiculous stroke in person, which is the most beautiful to come out this year and he is really athletic, kid is made to crush workouts and no, typically there is only one or two major movements in the top five of the NBA draft and right now Drummond is already one of the major wild cards.

BTW: if MKG is Prince (a great comp, but Prince was even more raw) and you pass on him over anyone in this draft not named Davis you are a fool. Getting a perfect lock down wing/third scoring option in a draft this raw and weak st the top would be perfect. Only reason he might not go two us Henderson and the draw of pairing T-Rob with Biyombo for MJ... CAUSE WHEN YOU DRAFT A BIYOMBO LEVEL DEFENSIVE ORIENTED FRONT COURT PLAYER YOU NEED A REAL OFFENSIVE PLAYER NEXT TO THEM WITH POTENTIAL TO STRETCH THE GAWD DAMN FLOOR.

Because his O game fuckin' sucks.

Just like TT.

And you don't take those guys lotto unless you are a moron.

They's Frick n Frack, which is why arguing over them becasue one can allegedly dunk is the dumbest series of posts I've ever read from someone with a brain.

No, MKG can penetrate and break defenses down and he is a beast in transition. TT has absolutely zero offensive skills beyond getting stripped three times a game when attempting gimmie dunks. MKG will manufacture points and will put pressure on teams (and he is 18 still).....

MKG will score points in the same way Crash does and if you tell a team they can get a first team all NBA lock-down wing defender that has a career between 15-20 PPG like Prince or Crash (who is a better comp) they'll take them at #2 in the draft every single day.

BTW: as Madre said before, in hindisght Kawhi would have been the best pick at 3 and he was a guy with a raw offensive game and lock-down crazy wing defense skills... in return he's developed a reasonable three this year and bee a pretty damn awesome defender.

Not to mention that MKG has offensive potential and some very visable skills right now, Tristan Thompson has literally none, can't shoot, can't dunk, can't run transition offense like MKG, can't take anyone off the dribble, no post game, and he CAN'T EVEN FUCKING GET TWO CLEAN DUNKS OFF IN A ROW.

e0y2e3 wrote:Beal, if anything will shoot up draft boards as GMs see his ridiculous stroke in person, which is the most beautiful to come out this year and he is really athletic, kid is made to crush workouts and no, typically there is only one or two major movements in the top five of the NBA draft and right now Drummond is already one of the major wild cards.

BTW: if MKG is Prince (a great comp, but Prince was even more raw) and you pass on him over anyone in this draft not named Davis you are a fool. Getting a perfect lock down wing/third scoring option in a draft this raw and weak st the top would be perfect. Only reason he might not go two us Henderson and the draw of pairing T-Rob with Biyombo for MJ... CAUSE WHEN YOU DRAFT A BIYOMBO LEVEL DEFENSIVE ORIENTED FRONT COURT PLAYER YOU NEED A REAL OFFENSIVE PLAYER NEXT TO THEM WITH POTENTIAL TO STRETCH THE GAWD DAMN FLOOR.

Because his O game fuckin' sucks.

Just like TT.

And you don't take those guys lotto unless you are a moron.

They's Frick n Frack, which is why arguing over them becasue one can allegedly dunk is the dumbest series of posts I've ever read from someone with a brain.

No, MKG can penetrate and break defenses down and he is a beast in transition. TT has absolutely zero offensive skills beyond getting stripped three times a game when attempting gimmie dunks. MKG will manufacture points and will put pressure on teams (and he is 18 still).....

MKG will score points in the same way Crash does and if you tell a team they can get a first team all NBA lock-down wing defender that has a career between 15-20 PPG like Prince or Crash (who is a better comp) they'll take them at #2 in the draft every single day.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Who cares? Rome is a schmuck and he was out of line asking Stern if he fixes the NBA. Stern tried to sound above it by firing off a common example of a loaded question back to Rome and Rome is dumb enough to respond to that.

OldDawg wrote:Does anyone think our two 2nd round picks can help us? Crap, our #4 pick from last year can't help us.

Do you package 24 and those two picks together and move up a few spots for a little better quality with our second pick?

I am liking Beal at 4. But if the Cavs take Barnes at 4, I say we move up and try to snag Ross out of Washington or Lamb of UConn for the 2-gd spot.

That's what I was thinking, but according to Amick's mock we would have to move up to the 13-16 range to get Lamb or Ross, and I just don't see how those second round picks are going to get us there. Is there a team drafting in that range who would be willing to drop 10 spots for the 33 and 34 picks? Not likely. Maybe if we throw in next year's 1st round pick.

I'm more than OK with Barnes and Lamb, but I seriously doubt they could pull it off.

In all reality, T-Rob makes a lot of sense with for the Cats if they draft on need, given that they are sold on Biyombo and need a scoring four next to him and already have a pretty decent wing in Hendu. Their biggest and most glaring hole is PG, which obviously won't be filled. I wouldn't put anything past MJ, but I can see him justifying a slight reach at #2.

And if the Cavs take Barnes over either of them (hell if I know if they will) I am literally going to be happy to never cheer for them again.

How common is this "duel" competition where a team brings in two guys to literally go head-to-head. I am not sure if I've heard of it before. And I wonder if some agents don't allow their clients to partake in a one-on-one scenario like this. I mean, one "client" may have more to lose than another in that scenario and wouldn't want to expose their client's weaknesses against the competition.

I am glad the Cavs were able to do it, but a little surprised that they were able to do it.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

I suspect that if the Cavs proposed a game of one-on-one and one of them said, "Sure, let's get it on," and the other said, "My agent told me I'm not supposed to do that," then the Cavs decision would be made at that point.

e0y2e3 wrote:Bradley Beal outplayed Harrison "can't dribble" Barnes at the Cavs workout yesterday, where they made them play one on one.

Did you read something about that? I was hoping for some "leaked" eyewitness accounts, but figured the Cavs wouldn't let anything out for fear of compromising potential draft day dealings. (IE, a play to swap with Washington or something unlikely)

I like the concept of the Cavs letting the two of them play it out; different players, to be sure, but Barnes height/athleticism combo SHOULD be enough for him to outclass an "undersized" shooting guard. When it wasn't, should have turned heads in the front office.

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Cleveland hosted a workout between Beal and Barnes today, according to sources Beal really impressed as a shooter while Barnes showed surprising improvement as a ball handler. It is very likely the Cavs decision will come down these two players and the Cavs are not in a rush to make a decision.

Maybe the part about Beal having "outplayed" Barnes is in the really, really small print.

Also, when someone uses the phrase "according to sources" it means he was not an eyewitness. And do you really think the Cavs would invite a member of the press to watch them work these guys out?

Prosecutor wrote:I suspect that if the Cavs proposed a game of one-on-one and one of them said, "Sure, let's get it on," and the other said, "My agent told me I'm not supposed to do that," then the Cavs decision would be made at that point.

The last I checked players do not play 1on1 in the NBA. If the Cavs were picking 1 and asked Davis and Robinson to play 1on1 and Davis said no I am fairly certain they would still pick Davis.

Also this would not seem to be much of a suprise since someone whose knock is he can not create his own shot played against someone who's attribute is that he can create his own shot. I am willing to bet heavily that the player the Cavs liked before the 1on1 is the same player they like now.

If I'm an agent I don't care if my client plays 1on1 or not so long as I've done my job and made sure he understands that all he needs to do is exhibit skills that help answer questions about his skillset - not just beat the other guy unless of course competitiveness/winning is one of the question marks.

Can't Sully at least be an off-the-bench PF in a league with some shitty players in that role? I see him in an 8-9 man rotation type team occasionally having those 10-15 pt. type games off the bench. Unless he somehow becomes an Adonis with quicker feet. He's got to be a bargain at some point in this draft. The other question is what style does he fit better? Run and gun where the floor gets more spread? If he can get is butt down the floor I say that is the team he fits better rather than a half-court offense focused team. If he can't take these tall guys one-on-one he's probably going to struggle where there is also a lot of backside help on the blocks.