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I don't think Rukia was ever meant to be the heroine. She was sort of a mentor to Ichigo in the beginning (seriously, what could she do else without her powers), then became his motivation, when she was brought back to SS and there was no purpose for her afterwards.

IMHO Kishi is a way way better writer. The only iffy parts in Naruto are Sasuke related and it's more to do with how he made him a second main character and kinda didn't. If the series wasn't called "Naruto" that probably wouldn't have raised any eyebrows though. On the other hand Kubo fails to kill anyone, injected tons of filler and filler characters and even a filler arc into his manga, has some very cop out villains, fails to control the power levels of his characters, is consistently violating the world and rules he's laid down.

Essentially Bleach is a series with complexity the size of an ocean and depth the size of a puddle, and Naruto is a series with complexity the size of a puddle (war, ninjas and bonds) and depth the size of an ocean. Depends on peoples tastes, but most of the time you want higher depth to complexity ratio.

IMHO Kishi is a way way better writer. The only iffy parts in Naruto are Sasuke related and it's more to do with how he made him a second main character and kinda didn't. If the series wasn't called "Naruto" that probably wouldn't have raised any eyebrows though. On the other hand Kubo fails to kill anyone, injected tons of filler and filler characters and even a filler arc into his manga, has some very cop out villains, fails to control the power levels of his characters, is consistently violating the world and rules he's laid down.

Essentially Bleach is a series with complexity the size of an ocean and depth the size of a puddle, and Naruto is a series with complexity the size of a puddle (war, ninjas and bonds) and depth the size of an ocean. Depends on peoples tastes, but most of the time you want higher depth to complexity ratio.

That said, both series have been pretty decent lately.

Agreed, at least Kishi tries to tie the plot paths together without leaving/forgetting obvious plot holes.

Honestly I've never found Naruto or One Piece all that interesting. *gasp, blasphemy, burn the heretic!* The writing is okay, but they never had a hook that got me caught up in the story. But I won't defend Bleach much in the subject of writing either. It's pretty terrible from a competency (and consistency) standpoint. Felix's water analogy is pretty spot on.

But what Bleach does have that keeps me coming back are interesting characters and settings, combined with funky design. Even the third string characters have interesting designs and (usually) quirky personalities. While this almost never translated into a compelling character story, it always made me wonder what the next team of bad/good guys Kubo would come up with next. That was part of the appeal of Zero Squad, for me at least. I already knew they were hella strong....but the outrageous designs were worth waiting for.

I always wondered what Bleach would have been like had it not been a shounen battle story. It almost feels like the imagination Kubo has for the characters and setting are wasted on a plot best summed up as "my dick is bigger than yours".

If you took Kubo's imagination and art, and paired it with a solid writer, I bet you'd have a great story. Oh, and I wouldn't mind it being monthly. Kubo's work always seem to benefit when he actually has time to draw panels. ><

About the panels I've heard that he often doesn't draw backgrounds to focus on characters' introductions just like when Hinamori saw Aizen after she believed he was dead. However, it's during mid Arrancar that I noted he was getting lazy especially considering Hueco Mundo's design. In the Fullbring arc was more obvious.

IMHO Kishi is a way way better writer. The only iffy parts in Naruto are Sasuke related and it's more to do with how he made him a second main character and kinda didn't. If the series wasn't called "Naruto" that probably wouldn't have raised any eyebrows though. On the other hand Kubo fails to kill anyone, injected tons of filler and filler characters and even a filler arc into his manga, has some very cop out villains, fails to control the power levels of his characters, is consistently violating the world and rules he's laid down.

I disagree, i think both series started out great but then went haywire halfway through the story. You kinda get the sense that neither of them really expected to keep their jobs for so long when they stard out, and thus reched a point where they had absolutely no ideia what to write next. Kishimoto also has major problems controling his charcters power levels, I'd say even more so than Bleach. And by now i think he has violated every single rule he's ever laid out, it's like part 1 and part 2 were written by two different authors who hate each other. Honestly both series should have ended 2 or 3 years ago.

I disagree, i think both series started out great but then went haywire halfway through the story. You kinda get the sense that neither of them really expected to keep their jobs for so long when they stard out, and thus reched a point where they had absolutely no ideia what to write next. Kishimoto also has major problems controling his charcters power levels, I'd say even more so than Bleach. And by now i think he has violated every single rule he's ever laid out, it's like part 1 and part 2 were written by two different authors who hate each other. Honestly both series should have ended 2 or 3 years ago.

Dude, even more?! Lets see maybe all this arc is an illusion created by Aizen in which Juha was modelled after Zangetsu as a means to challenge Ichigo. Then Ichigo awakes another new power or something like that.

Dude, even more?! Lets see maybe all this arc is an illusion created by Aizen in which Juha was modelled after Zangetsu as a means to challenge Ichigo. Then Ichigo awakes another new power or something like that.

This is legit. There's a crazy flu epidemic going on in Japan right now. Half my schools have had classes cancelled entirely and the staff are getting mandatory tests for the influenza virus. They take that stuff real serious.

If Kubo dies from the flu, I wonder if he'd come back as a ghost writer and finish the manga...

This is legit. There's a crazy flu epidemic going on in Japan right now. Half my schools have had classes cancelled entirely and the staff are getting mandatory tests for the influenza virus. They take that stuff real serious.

If Kubo dies from the flu, I wonder if he'd come back as a ghost writer and finish the manga...