Probably nothing. If anything does happen, Wizards shouldn’t care. They mostly avoid appeasing resellers, except with the Masters sets. Cards are for playing, not for keeping in a box until you can sell them for more.

Nathanael Lambert

if that’s the case, than why does the reserved list exist?

Theblue ant

The reserved list was created in the 90s when the collectors had a much greater influence over WOTC.

xxxx

The reprinting of older cards in Chronicals made the people that had Antiqueties, the Dark, … cards lose trust in the market. They thought that the possibility of reprintig would make cards worthless.

Giby86 .

Ha! Yeah, right. WotC ALWAYS tries to appease investors and collectors at the expense of the players. This is a welcome change of mentality, if it lasts.

Jazzyboy1

The Kefnet deck’s too slow, and the control is kinda weak, but the other decks here are actually excellent for prebuilt decks. I’m very impressed :D

Kameenook

What ? It seems pretty similar to what I would expect from a typical UW Approach list. Kefnet himself is slow but overall fumigates and stuff make up for some tempo loss nad supreme will / censor are solid counterspells as always in standard.

Zombie

It’s just a less optimized U/W Approach deck, which need I remind is a Tier 1 Standard favorite. You can’t expect them to fully optimize a heavily played Standard deck and sell it for $30, a fraction of the price for building the real deal from singles prior to these things’ release, can you?

How is that weak again?

Kameenook

So basically trying to earn some more money rather than everyone always buying singles. Depends on the price of the decks but I imagine they’ll be hot sellers.

NC

29.99 msrp

Edward

Honestly these are fantastic and might be the best new pre-made product idea Wizards has had in a long time. Also it should keep some prices down for some Commander cards albeit only a few but it is still something.

Zombie

I don’t even care about Commander for these all that much. If these stay even remotely close to MSRP then Standard’s cost of entry just tanked immensely.

Only one I don’t see staying at MSRP is Hazoret’s because of Chandra, but she’ll likely drop to $10-$20 or less post-rotation and non-Standard formats where she sees selective/fringe play in certain builds as a toolbox 4-drop.

Dr. Burn Crow

Somebody slap me. Hazoret Aggro is beautiful.

Kaiser

*slaps so hard on him*

Giby86 .

Finally. Wizards decided to treat the players as though they could access the internet.

Diego Pais de Lima

ROFL

Giacomo Boucart

These looks great but I don’t really understand the timing here. If I’m correct, these decks that are supposed to be ready to play viable standard decks, will be legal only for a month ?
My playgroup being very casual, I’m happy to buy cool decks and have fun whith them straight out of the box anyway.

Tony Delfino

Longer than that. Kaladesh doesn’t rotate out until the set following the summer core set, so sometime this coming fall.

Giacomo Boucart

Oh ok !
Thanks for your reply !

Zombie

At an MSRP of $30 and Kaladesh not rotating until Core Set 2019, new players can get some pretty solid value out of these.

Kahai

The rule of thumb is 5 to 8. Standard will at any given time either have at minimum 5 sets and at maximum 8 sets.

So if a set would be added to make 9 sets, 4 sets rotate out.

Giacomo Boucart

Thanks for the info !

Hritzdaddy

Magic used to be a CCG, Collectable card game, seems like they want it to be like monopoly or board games where everyone can have everything for minimal investment, at least with standard. I don’t see why anyone would want to cracking standard packs or boxes when they can get all this ready made for $30 a deck. Man am I glad I don’t play standard, nothing is going to hold any trade value if they are going to reprint like this….

Hritzdaddy

And before I get any crazy replies 95% of people I have played cards with enjoy having their cards Worth something, no it shouldn’t cost $500 for a standard deck but you also shouldn’t have the best cards in standard be worth $4… no one will ever pay 20 or even 10 for a Hazoret when you can buy a deck with him for $30…

Kaiser

well if you keep that in mind them >good< preconstructed products for any competitive format should not exist.

Giby86 .

No-one will, and that’s great. Magic cards are made for playing with them, not to invest in them. These products specifically are made to demolish any sort of barrier to entry for the standard format, so they are designed so that Chandras and Hazorets tank in value. And not a moment too soon, I’d say. Kudos to WotC for finally standing up for the, you know, players.

Hritzdaddy

You may have missed the point where I said this is, and has always been a COLLECTABLE card game. You also seem to be trying to imply I’m not a player, where I very much am. I just don’t like cracking packs week after week at fnm for it to be worthless and untradeable most of the time. High end players have been cracking tons of packs to pull masterpiece series cards which already has made standard quite accessible. Difference of opinion and thats fine but you should at least understand where my local group is coming from on this.

Giby86 .

If you have, say, Hazoret and plan to play with it, you should not care if it becomes more available to others. It may be frustrating if you dished out 80 bucks for a playset and now you could get the same for half the price, I get it, but any and all price drop in Standard is GOOD for the players and the game.
And you’ll notice that the true collectible items have not and will not take any hits: masterpieces will not be reprinted, let alone reserved list cards. If you choose to invest in Standard staples and complain if WotC tanks their value to aid players play the game, you have nobody but yourself to blame, I guess. Standard chaff is meant to be worthless and untradeable sooner or later anyway.
Oh, and “high end players” don’t crack packs to find masterpieces. They play tournaments and make cash that way. Collectors and investors don’t really crack packs to find masterpieces, they know the market and trade up for them. Cracking packs for the specific reason to find masterpieces is the exact same than buying a ton of lottery tickets: you end up losing money even if you do win.

TJ

If players would stop band-wagonning and not play the same deck most cards would run 5-10 while in standard, but when 6/8 top eights run the same deck, EVERYONE jumps on board and it jacks the casual players.

Deadly Berry

There’s no way that the red challenger deck has an MSRP of $30. The Chandra alone is worth $28. Hazoret is worth $20.

Edit: MSRP of $29.99. They’ve gone mad.

Zombie

That’s MSRP, though. RP = Recommended Price.

Hazoret Red will not sell for MSRP. It will be at minimum $40 from online retailers, likely $45 at most card shops.

And honestly, until Chandra rotates, a ton of people are going to be cracking open their shipments of Hazoret Red just for the Chandras for Singles sales.

xxxx

In europe it will sell for ~msrp. I can allready preorder hazoret red for <29€ online.

Dr. Burn Crow

MSRP is manufaturer suggested retail price.

Kaiser

i really REALLY expect this decks dont go over 50$. These are the best pre constructed decks ever made.

TJ

Just in case you haven’t figured it out. Wizards get 0$ when you buy that Hazoret or Chandra from someone who only paid 4$ for the booster……. Wizards does NOT in any capacity sell individual cards to anyone. If you play MTGO, you can swap a complete online set for hard copies at a flat price of 75$. Yet again they do not sell individual cards to anyone at all.

xxxx

I used to play both u/g madness and u/b psychatog in type 2 back in the day. Both were tier 1 decks. U/g madness costed about 25$ and u/b was ~40$. U/g was almost all uncommons and commons (~4-6 rare lands but each not really above 4$). The most powerfull cards in u/b were psychatog (uncommon ~2-4$) and upheaval (rare ~5$). It was a fun time when everybody could play the game and not only rich kids and old guys. So I’m happy they’re pushing standard prices down. FNM were full, players were happy and decks were powerfull. Everybody who wanted to invest more could always play type 1 or 1.5. I hope that modern and legacy could fill these places in the future. Though I should remind you that even there were cheaper options you could compete with. I played mono u stasis (type 1.5) for some time and that was a cheap deck too.

Tony Delfino

Why should the secondary market get all the money from a Wizard’s product? Wizards wants you to play standard, but they don’t constantly print all the sets in standard (trying to find Aether Revolt packs in my area has been impossible) so cards from these sets are being played, but supply is low. This is both a good way of getting players into the format (just like when they print Commander decks) as well as getting more copies of popular cards into circulation. Though I do think they should have put more than one Fatal Push in the black-green deck, especially with how much value is in the red one.

Also standard cards don’t tend to hold value as a general rule of the format. They almost all drop pretty dramatically once they rotate out unless they find a home in modern/legacy/commander.

Kaiser

I love what they do here. Is hard to think that this is a wizards pre constructed product man.

Štefan Danis

yep.. and the mono red and the golgari deck could be even a good starting point for a budget modern deck in my opinion ( hardning scale , lightning bolts ,.. etc )

Kaiser

Yep the only problem with these decks is that people would try to buy a bunch of these for sell them in the net for 80$ or more (and only 2 of these cost that much in singles) wich is very sad. But i really wish this product have success. Having a way to begin in magic withouth buying 4 copies of 1 preconstructed deck to have a “decent” casual list isnt good. Buy singles is even worst if you dont aim a competitive deck cause is hard to know wich cards you need to buy if you dont how to play magic.

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