The chest is a great tanking piece. Stick with the helm being the offset. I know it took me 13 weeks and a server trasnfer before I saw that helm drop, but it will be better in the long run. The more 391 the better.

Cayssaris wrote:Hey! i hope its okay for me to do this, if not merge it/whatever 1.)Armory:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/steamwheedle-cartel/Cayssaris/simpleI feel as if need to change a few things, so I won't be surprised there

2.) I am having problems keeping my DPS consistent from week to week One week I'll pull 29-30k on a boss and the next I'll barely break 26k after burn phase. I have some positional flukes here and there, a little to twitchy on H Bale. Really I'm just trying to find a way to stabilize my dps, and maybe bring it up a few points. 2a.) this not including H Domo where i almost hit 60k and almost pull threat off the tank.

Looking at your logs you seem to have a solid understanding of what you need to keep going. Your Rip/Rake up times are pretty decent, Savage Roar is up all the time and for the most part you are double pot'ing (forgot to use it a second time on Staghelm).

As long as you keep uptimes high, and positioning consistant there are a few things which tend to swing dps higher and lower. The number of OOC procs you get in a fight, the length of the fight and if you are hit/exp capped. You don't have a lot of control over the first 2, but you can do something about the hit/exp cap.

Now you don't need to hit these caps if you don't want to. Not hitting the caps give the highest simmed dps potential. However bad luck on a miss/dodge string can really screw you. I have found hitting those caps tends to give more consistant dps, even if its a little lower then the simmed potentials (maybe 120 dps difference). I would recomend using wowreforge.com to play around with your stats so you don't have to spend money.

If you are able to find 2 fights that have the dps contrast you are speaking of I can have a specific look at them to see if I find any other differences. Good luck!

Tinderhoof wrote:The chest is a great tanking piece. Stick with the helm being the offset. I know it took me 13 weeks and a server trasnfer before I saw that helm drop, but it will be better in the long run. The more 391 the better.

Two more quick questions...there definitely is no upgraded form for the rep belt right? So would it be in my interest to grab the boe leather belt and upgrade it with a firestone crystal? Also, would the reg tier helm be better than the reg Rhyolith helm, or does the reg Rhyolith helm beat it out in just a flat battle of stats for now? Mainly asking the second one for aesthetic purposes, as I generally don't like that copy of the rogue helm lol.

Start of Cata I was a bear Tank as my guild needed. Sadly my guild fell apart and now I'm raiding as kitty and loving it, as I have a perfectionist attitude I'm looking for help.

After a lot of reading I've found that there are many paths to maxing out the dps for kittys when it comes to gear, but fairly strait forward when it comes to Ability Priority. (with minor differences)

The latest WoL for me:http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-u ... enc=bosses (this is for everything but Rags) For the first half I tried a different focus for Reforges with Hitting Hit/exp Cap Then going for Haste primary (Hit/Exp(to cap) > Haste > mastery > crit)It felt so weird and I felt around a 2k dps loss I had to switch back for the rest of the raid. I swapped after Ryolith to what my gear is currently. With Hit/Exp Cap and Mastery> Crit > haste (which I Later found out was for 4T12 lvl gear) after changing back to my normal setup Still was different (as before didn't worry about hit/exp cap) but I started to like it more.

Also I was trying to use the Ovale script "Leafkillers" but I need to get used to the mod on a dummy first. any tips for different scripting interface would be wonderful.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-m ... enc=bosses For progression against RagsThe only reason I out DPS anyone is because of swipe on this fight.Some things I'm contemplating > replacing one of my glyphs for MangleMight go Haste for rags since I don't have to move to much (minus mechanics - "Splitting Blow")

Things I am focusing on right now > Trying to keep my SR at a much much much higher up-time. and I can do that by not worrying about FB as much as keeping SR up as I'll have better damage from SR. But any tips you can suggest would be great.

Gear wise: I'm curious if I would get better DPS from using Fluid Death instead of using the Acorn.

For reforging im going to direct you to http://www.wowreforge.com- your refoging out of crit, into haste, out of haste into crit, out of mastery into haste, some haste back to mastery D:... It makes my brain hurt - you'll need to set the values at the bottom to reflect a haste heavy build since its comes with hit/exp>mastery as the generic.

I used Baelroc since he's the patchwerk fight of the tier

- U double pot!! happy kitteyz- Your savage roar time is 67%. Ditch the FBs and crank up the SR, especially if you're hit/exp capped. Save fb for <25% and during your t12/4set- Your proc's/trinkets look almost random. you should ALWAYS be hitting TF before zerk. I actually posted a macro for it on a previous post if you care to look for it. Same with APS you can macro that in to.- Rip uptime was 87%, should be a lot higher on a standstill fight. Again, ditch the FB's for now, you'll get more out of higher bleed uptime.- Rake was 92% uptimes, this is pretty good, but I think you can push it higher - APS is a dps increase over fluid death if used properly.- Haste build for Rag is the most beneficial IMO. More so for the burn phase during meteors then worrying about the adds. Once adds are sorted out they usually just fall over.- Mangle glyph is not the answer, the only time your mangling is during a phase where dps is irrelevant and survival is numero uno.

Q1) How are you tracking bleeds/debuffs/buffs? You went into that fight missing the 549agi/str buff, which although mostly the warrior/dks fault (I dont think they like buffs, since the warrior waited almost 40 seconds to use BS, and your dk didn't use HoW once? WTF?) you should be tracking your buffs somehow (I'm lazy and use the atk power tracker that comes with tukui)

Q2) Hero bear spec? any reason for you to keep 3/3 in thick hides if your not tanking? taking either 2/2 Primal madness and another point in furor, or taking perseverance in the resto tree would make more sense to me. What are your reasons? Same with your secondary, your taking all the tank talents + BiTW with no perseverance,: you have 2 sub optimal specs :/

Q3) If you could be any kind of donut, what would you be? And feel free to write me a poem at the end of your response.

For reforging im going to direct you to http://www.wowreforge.com- your refoging out of crit, into haste, out of haste into crit, out of mastery into haste, some haste back to mastery D:... It makes my brain hurt - you'll need to set the values at the bottom to reflect a haste heavy build since its comes with hit/exp>mastery as the generic.

I used Baelroc since he's the patchwerk fight of the tier

- U double pot!! happy kitteyz- Your savage roar time is 67%. Ditch the FBs and crank up the SR, especially if you're hit/exp capped. Save fb for <25% and during your t12/4set- Your proc's/trinkets look almost random. you should ALWAYS be hitting TF before zerk. I actually posted a macro for it on a previous post if you care to look for it. Same with APS you can macro that in to.- Rip uptime was 87%, should be a lot higher on a standstill fight. Again, ditch the FB's for now, you'll get more out of higher bleed uptime.- Rake was 92% uptimes, this is pretty good, but I think you can push it higher - APS is a dps increase over fluid death if used properly.- Haste build for Rag is the most beneficial IMO. More so for the burn phase during meteors then worrying about the adds. Once adds are sorted out they usually just fall over.- Mangle glyph is not the answer, the only time your mangling is during a phase where dps is irrelevant and survival is numero uno.

Q1) How are you tracking bleeds/debuffs/buffs? You went into that fight missing the 549agi/str buff, which although mostly the warrior/dks fault (I dont think they like buffs, since the warrior waited almost 40 seconds to use BS, and your dk didn't use HoW once? WTF?) you should be tracking your buffs somehow (I'm lazy and use the atk power tracker that comes with tukui)

Q2) Hero bear spec? any reason for you to keep 3/3 in thick hides if your not tanking? taking either 2/2 Primal madness and another point in furor, or taking perseverance in the resto tree would make more sense to me. What are your reasons? Same with your secondary, your taking all the tank talents + BiTW with no perseverance,: you have 2 sub optimal specs :/

Q3) If you could be any kind of donut, what would you be? And feel free to write me a poem at the end of your response.

Thanks for the Great feedback I'll make adjustments to them for next week and I'll play with my forging again, and Make myself stick to it next week.

aQ1) I'm not using anything to track buffs other classes should be giving. (I think for Baleroc I was off in the corner when they started pull so I missed Warrior Buff (i'll make sure to stay with the pack at pull next week) and I"ll look into atk power tracker

aQ2) Our tanks have been known to drop dead and It's useful to just pop Bear and Hero Tank. I can drop those for more favorable talents. I also remember reading somewhere in all the research that is done that you don't gain much dps from Primal Madness, and when I used mew simulator It modified by ~100-150~dps. 2nd spec is Bear as I do go bear for my wife >^.^< 5mans and all that jazz, It swaps weekly as I collect Resto/pvp-Resto Gear. and I really didn't notice I took BitW for my bear spec >.>"Seriously didn't I'll be changing that soon as I get home off work.

aQ3) Springsmitch for Lunitics like me (Brian Reagen Joke) It has Frosting All over it and SPrinkles on half.

Poem about Kittehs!I Like Kitty Shred!My Enemy's Fall Bleeding!May we ALL go Cat!

Edit 1:Q1) Looks like for the APS it was used with Tigers Fury, Should I just macro it to shred too just to make sure it's up 100% of the available time or would it be better to keep it linked to CDs for bigger DPS during those time's within reason?

Edit 2:Q2) I looked into the Reforges > that was a mess >.<" I'm working to resolve best action right now. Would you suggest Focus Hit/exp to cap > Haste > mastery > Crit -> with Crit being the main reforge outta?

Ok, that's forgivable, I've had that before where I've been out of range of the buff, but keep it in mind and an atk power tracker will help remind you of that.

It's true that PM is a minimal dps gain, I actually got to grill Tinder about this at one point. I'm just making sure you had a reason for it.

Once you get your 4set t12 you can reforge to your play style regarding haste vs. mastery. Personally I reforge out of mastery into haste>crit because it supplies the most burst damage, and once you are reacting to bosses instinctual your boss up time increases and you can push more damage out. Although there are successful kitties who with there 4set still got hit/exp>mastery, and even hit/exp haste=mastery>crit. So what ever floats your boat really, just use a reforge optimizer to do it

sounds like a tasty donut, and I will add your work to my collection of kitty poems.

Posting again, this time for H Rag. We've only killed it twice, the first quote box is the logs as well as the video of myself playing. I initially parsed on our first kill but it has been beaten since. The second box is our repeat kill. I'm unfortunately on deluge duty so my DPS does bottom out (and thus making it I probably won't parse again) but I'd like to get some feedback on what I could do to up my DPS until P4.

Hi guys. You helped me before and my dps has gone up quite a bit (almost 2k now with only 1 replacement in my gear). When you helped me one thing you mentioned, though is that my dot uptimes were a bit low. I have been trying to improve that but i don't know how to check the dot uptimes, or to find the precent. So, i was wondering if you could tell me how I could find the exact percent of my dot uptimes so I don't have to come back here everytime I try something new.

Posting again, this time for H Rag. We've only killed it twice, the first quote box is the logs as well as the video of myself playing. I initially parsed on our first kill but it has been beaten since. The second box is our repeat kill. I'm unfortunately on deluge duty so my DPS does bottom out (and thus making it I probably won't parse again) but I'd like to get some feedback on what I could do to up my DPS until P4.

Congrads on the second kill. I got to say I think your second kill was a big improvment. While you had a full minute less to work with you did 800,000 more damage. Rip/Rake up times were better, you were able to shred more often and you were in range for autoattacks much more then the first week. Your DPS went up by 2k from the first kill.

I can make a few suggestions. It looks like you are having to stun the suns and you are using maim. An easier solution is to shift to bear form hit enrage and bash. You get a 5 second stun for 3 GCD's instead of 5 combo points. Also it looks like you got to use swipe a bit more on the second kill, but still you arn't using it very much. Are you not able to attack the molten elementals? While it depends on your strat there are a few ways you can safely swipe them for a lot of damage.

All in all it looks like you are doing great here. Keep up the good work!

The biggest question I have is what can I do to improve drastically, I'm running a high haste set and trying to keep a Rip, Rake and SR uptime as high as possible.

Im only using FB when im in Zerk and rolling as hard I can with shred for it, I tend to hold on to points to refresh Rip and SR as late as possible for more up time.

Is there anything I can do to get better with numbers, be it rotation spec, Glyphs or what ever else.

Any help would be amazing.

Hi Itree. Welcome to the community.

I looked up your armory. Gemming and gearing is good. The only tip I have is spec wise. I would take a point out of Furor and put it in NI. As we don't shift that often having more incoming healing is the clear winner. This isn't a huge issue, just a minor quibble.

Log wise it looks like you were only in for Baleroc this week so let's have a look. The biggest thing that is hurting you is your Savage Roar uptime (54%). For a haste build SR uptime needs to be in the 96-98% uptime on a fight like Baleroc. It looks like you started it at the begining of the fight but half way through just stopped keeping it up. You also didn't keep Faeire Fire up. You cast it once and it missed, then didn't cast it again. Both of these things are very importent for getting the most out of your DPS.Your bleed uptimes are ok, but could be a little better (88/87% respectively). What kind of add on if any are you using to track buffs and debuffs? I find having one helps me plan for next moves and when to pool energy or not. Tonight when you go again try to focus most on keeping Savage Roar and Faerie Fire up while keeping the rest of the rotation going. It becomes more natural with pratice. Let us know how you do this week. Good luck!

Been a bit since I posted up a couple of logs looking for some H Rag advice; I've gotten some upgrades since then and convinced my bf to change some p3 positioning stuff. I feel like it helped out, although it could just be practice bringing everyone's dps up. We came within 1% of 1 meteor in p4 tonight and that's with an undergeared (compared to who he replaced) fill-in since our hunter has been out for the last couple weeks. Anyway, wanted to say thanks for the help and figured I'd post up a few more logs if anyone wants to take a look:

I had a look at the bale fight you posted and the only warrior in that fight was Tep who was Fury. Also, at no point did Tep apply sunder so it appears that you went through the entire fight without the 12% armor reduction.

I had a look at the bale fight you posted and the only warrior in that fight was Tep who was Fury. Also, at no point did Tep apply sunder so it appears that you went through the entire fight without the 12% armor reduction.

This is very very important to overall raid dps.

On top of this we has ferals are the best ones to apply this buff as it costs only a GCD and only needs to be applied once every 5 minutes. No other class can stack it as fast as we can for 0 resources. If you are the only feral in the raid there is no good reason for you to not be the one keeping it up.

Just wanted to give a thank you for the advice, actually managed to rank tonight on fandral. First rank of the tier even if I did die towards the end . Thanks for helping me clear up my rotation Still haven't found a pet lock or rogue though

Hello, I think I have posted this somewhere on this forum but I don't really remember. However, this is the Power Auras set that I made, both for cat and bear specs.

When you are in cat form it tracks:combo points on the top, when the brackets appear it means your feral charge is ready so you can run out and jump;cat stuff, with timers: mangle, rake, rip, savage roar; there is a frame that appears around all the debuffs when tiger's fury can be used;berserk: the smaller semi-circle appears when it's available;the big circle which surrounds everything appears when you have enough energy to shred.

When you are in bear form the debuff icons indicate: mangle, pulverize, demoralizing roar, lacerate (with stacks) and thrash. I am lazy and didn't want to check/uncheck the spec1 spec2 buttons so a few cat things remain visible even when you are in bear. Also, if you switch form and need to bear a bit then cat again it gets a bit messed up since the trackers are in the same position.

I didn't create a Faerie Fire tracking icon because I am lazy. Also, I was planning to create, next to each debuff icon, some kind of visual warning which indicates if you have enough energy to cast that ability but I could not find a way to do it which was nice to see so I gave up.

I hope some of you will find this useful, it's a kind of Feral By Night style thing. Pardon my bad english

I had a screenshot but it's too big to upload, I could resize it but - again - I am lazy

I tried out APS + H-Matrix on heroic Rag this week and I was pretty happy with the results. APS lines up well with a lot of mechanics. Comparing against the week before I pulled 2k more during p3, killed Sons faster, and 1k more in p4 (although p4 was mainly uptime and roots positioning).

I'm interested in any advice on what I can do better - gotta sharpen up for 4.3! My Baleroc numbers were off this week because of 2 countdowns and some bad luck with melee crystal positioning that had me standing out of shred angle for a while waiting for tormented to fall off.

Most things look good, rip uptime on shannox was a bit low (87%) but cd's are fine, other bosses bleed uptime is fine.

I was using aps over reg hungerer until adds no longer became and issue. definitively a good move if you need more add dps. Although heroic Hunger was an improvement for p4 dps for me which was the biggest hurdle we faced (pushing 1 meteor each transition).

As for 4.3.. get on the PTR and spam LFR to learn the new fights. Best way to be ahead of the curve for next tier ;D.

if you see anyone with the suffex una (mageuna/lockuna/puna/paluna) they're all me

Hey Ledge, Sometimes I get very lazy and use a website to blindly due my reforging for me. If you go to wowreforge.com you'll load your toon into it basically the same way you would if you've ever used wow-heroes before.

On the bottom we're you'll have to click optamized there is the stat value row. So just make sure you change the values so haste is slightly the highest. After 10 sec or so it will tell you the best way to reforge your toon to obtain the best values of however you set your stat values.

I generally set haste == crit == mastery when I use wowreforge. It still puts haste higher in my gear, but not by a huge amount. If I don't like the results, I start tweaking the values until it comes up with something I like. It is a great way to get hit and expertise capped with no wasted stats.