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We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

We finally why the 1st could beat Madara , cause he was helped by his wife. Everyone thinks that in their fight Madara used the kyuubi but it's the complete opposite . So hashirama had the help of the Kyuubi in that fight :P

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by JMAN

We finally why the 1st could beat Madara , cause he was helped by his wife. Everyone thinks that in their fight Madara used the kyuubi but it's the complete opposite . So hashirama had the help of the Kyuubi in that fight :P

your quite wrong my friend!, first of all, it wasnt with the help of his wife, second of all, it wasnt with the help of kyuubi either!

it was like this, madara controlled the kyuubi and madara was the one who fought hashirama with help of kyuubi, but hashirama defeated and suppressed kyuubi with the help of his woodstyle techniques, and gained control over it!, but it was only after the battle ended, that his wife helped him with sealing jutsu and sealed kyuubi in her self!!

oh and some people got it wrong, the first hokage couldnt control kyuubi, he could only suppress it!

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

It states pretty specifically that it was during the fight that he took control of the 9 Tails. "During Their Fight, Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails." If it was after the fight or at the end of the fight I would think it would be more specific than "During" The fight. But I could see that being some type of translation issue. But it would be cool if he did take control of Madara's pet during the fight.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

No, According to The Naruto world and I guess Kishimoto, The strongest Hokage was the 3rd or 4th, one of the two, can't recall which.

But since Hashirama did face Madara at his Prime, The kyuubi at it's deadliest(I guess if it's controlled by Madara at his prime then technically the Kyuubi is terrifying at most). He did control the Tailed beasts and upon a peace treaty to the ninja world he did give each nation a tailed beast. For me the Greatest is Hashirama Senju.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

guys guys...it did state that it was during the fight that he gained control of it, but he did not use the kyuubi against madara, because hashirama can control kyuubi, he can only suppress and its power with its wood release!, there is actually a picture in the manga where hashirama has imprisoned and suppressed kyuubi during his fight with madara, so after that madara lost control of it, and couldnt use the kyuubi in the fight anymore, but neither did hashirama!, after the battle was ended, mito helped hashirama by sealing the suppressed kyuubi inside her!

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

I believe that in the battle between hashirama and madara, madara first had control of the kyuubi. During the battle hashirama was suppressing the kyuubi and his wife helped seal the beast at this point. From then on hashirama was then able to defeat madara one on one. And in terms of who is the most powerful kage ever. Although kishimoto has said in inteviews that it's the fourth hokage. In terms of the facts he himself has layed down in the narutoverse it would have to be the 1st hokage. I know this is off topic but a lot of things have contradicted themselved in the narutoverse, but i guess every great writer makes mistakes.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by Fourth Hokage

You have a point.

no he doesn't that's absurd and goes against everything the manga has ever said.the first BEAT madara and the kyuubi and sealed it in it's weakened state into his wife after the fight to make sure an nobody got ahold of it's destructive power ever again.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Madara is hardly overpowered. Well at least the Madara with EMS that fought senju vs uchiha before the villiage was established. Even the Kages and Danzo recognized his strength. But besides beating Madara doesn't make him the best it just makes him Bad Ass.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by Perkele311

Madara is hardly overpowered. Well at least the Madara with EMS that fought senju vs uchiha before the villiage was established. Even the Kages and Danzo recognized his strength. But besides beating Madara doesn't make him the best it just makes him Bad Ass.

not what i meant

what I was trying to say is everyone thinks Madara is stronger then he is and that the 1st is the most powerful hokage (he is not thats the 3rd)

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by Tobirama Senju

I believe that in the battle between hashirama and madara, madara first had control of the kyuubi. During the battle hashirama was suppressing the kyuubi and his wife helped seal the beast at this point. From then on hashirama was then able to defeat madara one on one. And in terms of who is the most powerful kage ever. Although kishimoto has said in inteviews that it's the fourth hokage. In terms of the facts he himself has layed down in the narutoverse it would have to be the 1st hokage. I know this is off topic but a lot of things have contradicted themselved in the narutoverse, but i guess every great writer makes mistakes.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by kisamexRocks

No, According to The Naruto world and I guess Kishimoto, The strongest Hokage was the 3rd or 4th, one of the two, can't recall which.

But since Hashirama did face Madara at his Prime, The kyuubi at it's deadliest(I guess if it's controlled by Madara at his prime then technically the Kyuubi is terrifying at most). He did control the Tailed beasts and upon a peace treaty to the ninja world he did give each nation a tailed beast. For me the Greatest is Hashirama Senju.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by JMAN

We finally why the 1st could beat Madara , cause he was helped by his wife. Everyone thinks that in their fight Madara used the kyuubi but it's the complete opposite . So hashirama had the help of the Kyuubi in that fight :P

Well somewhere in the series , It said The 1st could of controlled all the tails... Im not sure if it was anime or manga but since manga is more of the real thing.

Re: We finally know how 1st hokage beat Madara !

Originally Posted by Dragon Lord

your quite wrong my friend!, first of all, it wasnt with the help of his wife, second of all, it wasnt with the help of kyuubi either!

it was like this, madara controlled the kyuubi and madara was the one who fought hashirama with help of kyuubi, but hashirama defeated and suppressed kyuubi with the help of his woodstyle techniques, and gained control over it!, but it was only after the battle ended, that his wife helped him with sealing jutsu and sealed kyuubi in her self!!

oh and some people got it wrong, the first hokage couldnt control kyuubi, he could only suppress it!

and madara couldnt suppress it, he could only control it!

I agree with you the kyuubi was the spoils of victory. Hashirama's wood jutsu were 10xs greater than Yamato he could create whole trees to probably capture someone and as seen on the fight with the 3rd was also probably a master in genjutsu.

We don't know Madara's actual abilities he could be a descendant from Sasuke's family. Meaning he could have Sasuke's abilities.