I don't know what it is - I have this really creepy fascination with movies that push the envelope, specifically those that go TOO FAR.. Granted, I really don't have the particular desire to see such scene in question, I know that will F my head out to no return... I really can't explain why I'm into films like these, I have a list of movies in my catalog through the years that would make anyone's head spin and yes, there are those moments that just stay with me and refuse to let go.

I had watched a documentary on Netflix streaming last year that just rattled the hell out of me, it was about the "Snuff" film - is it real or a myth? The movie was very simplistic, only a few clips were shown, one of which remains logged in my memory and it was only maybe a minute or two long. The majority of the movie were film makers/producers/historians speaking about the subject. There were two stories that I just could not shake..

One was about these disgusting Russian men who had created some kind of service for very wealthy business men to act out their most disturbing and sick desires on video. They would pay thousands upon thousands of dollars and give explicit detail as to what they wanted to see. I'm not even going to give detail but most involved children, some infants, all were made of torture and of course the outcome was murder.

The creator of this sick service was finally arrested and charged with many counts of every possible crime you can imagine... Here's where it gets really disturbing - the man was discharged from prison - the system in Russia was overcrowded and they needed to make room for more prisoners... He now happily lives in some Foreign country where he participates in Pool tornimantes.

While this all sounds insane and even hard to believe - it is, in fact true. It started during the early days of the internet which is where they would make their clients.

There was one instance where a "customer" wasn't pleased with the overall product and he insisted it be done again...

The second was even more messed up.

Anyway, I don't "get off" on this crap - I'm not the type of guy that watches Autopsy videos (I am quite frightened of what the inside of our bodies look like - I wouldn't even go to that "art" exhibit a few years ago where there were actual sculptures made of human body parts) and even the slightest hint of pedophilia disgusts and repulses me - as it should every sane human being.

I really can't explain nor condone my fascination with films like these... I'll never forget my first experience viewing "Salo" and we are all aware that I am still studying the stories behind the making of "Caligula" - which is nothing compared to this film.. Likely, I'll end up getting through the first 40 minutes and just shutting it off... Even I have my limits and there have been movies that have made me do that.

It's the morbid curiousity that I find intriguing and I'm sure - if I do decide to buy the movie - I'll feel more disgusted with myself for buying it and viewing it than my curiousity dictated.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

I haven't seen the movie but I imagine it's as uncut as you'll find anywhere. The US usually allows anything. If there are any cuts I'd imagine it's to remove child nudity. As "free" as we are we are still as a nation very uptight about sex. If a girl in another country swims naked it's no big deal, if it happens here the police usually get involved. However this is the nation that made Brooke Shields a star because of some of her early work, so anything is possible.

People on amazon have said it's cut but the full runtime seems correct and nowhere else is it listed as cut. You may want to ask the distributor however. The name is too mundane to search accurately for details however.

-Marshall-
Nun sacciu, nun vidi, nun ceru e si ceru durmiv.I know nothing, I see nothing, I wasn't there,
and if I was there, I was asleep.

I'm trying to imagine something more pretentious than a douchebag making a movie about child rape and necrophilia and then claiming it's a symbolic repudiation of fascism. My imagination fails me.

I imagine Brown Bunny is slightly more pretentious. Making a movie so you can get a b list actress to give you a bj and then claiming everyone else is an idiot for not liking it has to count.

Brown Bunny is pretentious for sure, but it doesn't top A Serbian Film. At least Brown Bunny's (single) infamous scene is directly connected the flick's central theme of loneliness and isolation. It's not like Gallo claimed it was a statement about American foreign policy or the evils of centralized banking or something.

I'm trying to imagine something more pretentious than a douchebag making a movie about child rape and necrophilia and then claiming it's a symbolic repudiation of fascism. My imagination fails me.

I imagine Brown Bunny is slightly more pretentious. Making a movie so you can get a b list actress to give you a bj and then claiming everyone else is an idiot for not liking it has to count.

Brown Bunny is pretentious for sure, but it doesn't top A Serbian Film. At least Brown Bunny's (single) infamous scene is directly connected the flick's central theme of loneliness and isolation. It's not like Gallo claimed it was a statement about American foreign policy or the evils of centralized banking or something.

I have never seen Brown Bunny and I can honestly say, without having seen it, yes, it is a pretentious piece of shit.. I've read enough about to be sure of that.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

I'm trying to imagine something more pretentious than a douchebag making a movie about child rape and necrophilia and then claiming it's a symbolic repudiation of fascism. My imagination fails me.

Not to defend the thing, but I don't know how the content and thematic intent in and of themselves can be determined to be pretentious without seeing how the film itself is constructed. And, to some extent, without understanding, or possibly experiencing, the culture and history supposedly being examined. It could, potentially, be a particularly apt approach. The depravity of the acts in question do not, in and of themselves, negate the incisiveness or artistry of the film.

Having said that, I have no desire to see this film, and you are probably right that it is a self-serving attempt at pushing the envelope of taste for the sake of stoking controversy.

I'm trying to imagine something more pretentious than a douchebag making a movie about child rape and necrophilia and then claiming it's a symbolic repudiation of fascism. My imagination fails me.

Not to defend the thing, but I don't know how the content and thematic intent in and of themselves can be determined to be pretentious without seeing how the film itself is constructed. And, to some extent, without understanding, or possibly experiencing, the culture and history supposedly being examined. It could, potentially, be a particularly apt approach. The depravity of the acts in question do not, in and of themselves, negate the incisiveness or artistry of the film.

Having said that, I have no desire to see this film, and you are probably right that it is a self-serving attempt at pushing the envelope of taste for the sake of stoking controversy.

I have, it sucks, it's sheer exploitative garbage that belongs in the rubbish bin next to The Human Centipede.

I'm all for freedom of artistic expression and whatnot, Hell, I can even give stuff like I Spit on your Grave or Irreversible a pass. When the extreme content is rationalized within the context of the film, sure. Then you get this horsepocky... being ugly because you can get away with it? Sorry, no. You're a sick freak making a film for sick freaks. Sounds harsh? Sure does. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Even I have my limits of tolerance.

Andrew Forbes wrote:Dan's comment just seemed to dismiss it based solely on the content.

Not solely the content. The content, plus the pretentious blather that's come out of the filmmakers' mouths defending the content. If they'd kept their traps shut I probably wouldn't have bothered to comment one way or the other.

Andrew Forbes wrote:Dan's comment just seemed to dismiss it based solely on the content.

Not solely the content. The content, plus the pretentious blather that's come out of the filmmakers' mouths defending the content. If they'd kept their traps shut I probably wouldn't have bothered to comment one way or the other.

I'd rather he just said "yes it's sick shit for those who love sick shit" and left it at that.

We all have the rights to our own fetishes as long as we don't hurt anyone, watching sick movies counts. Just admit it. I watch some strange stuff and I admit it. I watched Last House on the Left and loved every minute of it. I've also watch Phineas and Ferb on Netflix so take from it what you will. I'd be happy to write a review for either explaining why I enjoy them and sign my name to it openly.

-Marshall-
Nun sacciu, nun vidi, nun ceru e si ceru durmiv.I know nothing, I see nothing, I wasn't there,
and if I was there, I was asleep.

This whole new Serbian film movement in itself is a bit off the wall..

There is another film, I don't recall the title, it has to do with a gang of people driving around a bus performing bizarre sex acts as if it were a circus. It's again supposed to have some kind of "meaning" and "revolt" against Serbia.

I will say, there is a great documentary I've watched recently called "Made In Serbia" - now that, makes a statement. Mixed with humor, it examines the pornography movement in Serbia. Yes, I know, it sounds offensive but actually its not. It makes some really relevant points, porn is fairly new in the country and people resort to it simply because they don't have the means to pay for anything. As crass and strange as it sounds, the film would be best viewed to understand what I'm trying to explain here... The sex isn't presented hardcore or graphic - yes, of course there is nudity. The examination and exploration of specific subjects is what drives the movie, they focus on the subjects rather than exploit them and they clearly establish their reason and character. I need to make mention of the brief clip shown of the first adult Serbian Film ever made - sometime in the 80's - its literally knee slapping hilarious - and again, tastefully presented.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

I want to poke my eyes out and toss this freaking disc into the ocean.

Yeah, I'm a dick, I went ahead and bought it.

I immediately put it for sale on my amazon seller account. I can probably guaruntee it will be sold no later than Tuesday.

What the HELL??

Really??? REALLY?

I see NOTHING redeeming about this film at all. I don't freaking care what sort of "revolt" your making. This was disgusting and for the first time and only time I will say this: The filmmakers of this movie should be shot in ways depicted in their "brilliant piece of art"...

Hey, I don't judge, I've watched some of the sickest films ever made... THIS IS DISGUSTING.

They banned "A Clockwork Orange" for how many years and England is the first to release this on DVD? SERIOUSLY??

There is nothing and I mean nothing that can validate the depiction of a child being raped.

If I were a critic for the Verdict, I would have sent this back and told you guys to have someone else review it - I mean no disrespect to the Judge who did review it, you did a fine job btw..

There's a south park episode, the one where they goof on Lord Of The Rings and discover a porno movie instead...

Token watches it, walks out of his house with his eyes in some sort of haze and says something like..

"I don't know what I just saw, I don't want to know, I want nothing to do with this, I never want to see it again."

If I remember the quote exactly it would make a better statement.

either way, well said.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

So, you've been having serious money problems, right? Necessitating the purging of large portions of your movie collection? And instead of finding some other avenue to watch this—by virtually all accounts—irredeemably awful movie, you chose to buy it?

Was it a child, or a baby being raped? I've read that they have a little boy and a baby I think. I won't see it myself as I refuse to spend money to see it and Netflix won't offer it. Now you'll have to write a detailed scene by scene synopsis and critique since it seems only two people here have seen it.

I'm not sure if you could pirate it but those in the US who want to see it legally probably will end up having to purchase it. I don't expect to see it in Redbox anytime soon hence I won't see it. Well actually I may go ahead and try to find this one online, pirating it sounds like more than it deserves given the reviews.

By the way Stypee, the UK version is heavily edited. If they had released a Clockwork Orange I imagine it would have been trimmed down also. However in the UK they judge more on "mood" than we do now so they may have found the happy ending made the entire movie worth it. I remember this because the director (I think it was him) wasn't sure about letting the UK be first knowing what they do but the other countries were taking longer to approve it. Why didn't it come to the US first, here you don't have to get anything approved. Just slap a "not rated" warning on it and go to store.

As for depiction of a child being raped, Hound Dog, Bastard of Carolina, and many others beat him to it. He's not even unique.

-Marshall-
Nun sacciu, nun vidi, nun ceru e si ceru durmiv.I know nothing, I see nothing, I wasn't there,
and if I was there, I was asleep.

mkiker2089 wrote:Was it a child, or a baby being raped? I've read that they have a little boy and a baby I think. I won't see it myself as I refuse to spend money to see it and Netflix won't offer it. Now you'll have to write a detailed scene by scene synopsis and critique since it seems only two people here have seen it.

I'm not sure if you could pirate it but those in the US who want to see it legally probably will end up having to purchase it. I don't expect to see it in Redbox anytime soon hence I won't see it. Well actually I may go ahead and try to find this one online, pirating it sounds like more than it deserves given the reviews.

By the way Stypee, the UK version is heavily edited. If they had released a Clockwork Orange I imagine it would have been trimmed down also. However in the UK they judge more on "mood" than we do now so they may have found the happy ending made the entire movie worth it. I remember this because the director (I think it was him) wasn't sure about letting the UK be first knowing what they do but the other countries were taking longer to approve it. Why didn't it come to the US first, here you don't have to get anything approved. Just slap a "not rated" warning on it and go to store.

As for depiction of a child being raped, Hound Dog, Bastard of Carolina, and many others beat him to it. He's not even unique.

I've been made to understand that the film is 106 minutes long, uncut, this runs 103 minutes but claims its uncut. The scene your talking about, appears to be cut, I've heard it goes much further but frankly, I wouldn't want to watch that. There have been quite a few statements saying that its loaded with "hardcore porn" - not really, mostly suggestive but still offensive as hell. Yes, the child was raped, luckily its not show but there is still thrusting involved which makes even more messed up, you luckily don't see the kid.

The ending is even more disturbing which for some reason bothered me the most about the movie.

You can get a digital copy of it, why, I have no idea. I think it's from a website, I have a number or code or something, I'm not clear how it works. If you really want to see it, P/M me and I'll send you the code. I can't picture anyone wanting to see it on their iPhone.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

Andrew Forbes wrote:So, you've been having serious money problems, right? Necessitating the purging of large portions of your movie collection? And instead of finding some other avenue to watch this—by virtually all accounts—irredeemably awful movie, you chose to buy it?

Yes, I am having money problems and yes, I'm getting rid of a majority of my DVD/CD collection to make ends meet. I bought the flick because I've been freelancing as a teachers assistant - commenting and correcting college English Comp. papers.

Can I justify spending a few bucks of indulgence on this piece of shit? No, absolutely not - perhaps curiousty would be my response to that question..

Sadly, it was the first time in I don't know how many months I had a few dollars to actually buy a DVD...

I would like to shoot myself in the head now, that could have gone to some other movie, a c.d. or actually going to a movie.

I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong - so yes, I spent my extra money on that piece of shit and thanks for rubbing me further into hell for it.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

Andrew Forbes wrote:So, you've been having serious money problems, right? Necessitating the purging of large portions of your movie collection? And instead of finding some other avenue to watch this—by virtually all accounts—irredeemably awful movie, you chose to buy it?

Yes, I am having money problems and yes, I'm getting rid of a majority of my DVD/CD collection to make ends meet. I bought the flick because I've been freelancing as a teachers assistant - commenting and correcting college English Comp. papers.

Can I justify spending a few bucks of indulgence on this piece of shit? No, absolutely not - perhaps curiousty would be my response to that question..

Sadly, it was the first time in I don't know how many months I had a few dollars to actually buy a DVD...

I would like to shoot myself in the head now, that could have gone to some other movie, a c.d. or actually going to a movie.

I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong - so yes, I spent my extra money on that piece of shit and thanks for rubbing me further into hell for it.

Dude, let's ease back on the melodrama for a moment. You've been sharing all of these details, so you've got to expect some kind of response when something like this goes down. It never does an over-spender any good for others to ignore situations like this. It's not about "rubbing you further into hell," it's about clarifying the circumstances of your purchase and trying to get you to formulate some behavioral strategies, rather than letting you wallow in guilt and buyer's remorse. And sometimes over-spenders have to be told that they've been really stupid, even when they already know it, otherwise they are more likely to justify the same pattern of behavior the next time (believe me, I speak from experience). The number one rule of low-income movie buying: never blind-buy. Not even when it's a movie that has received universal praise, and especially not when it has been universally panned. If you don't have access to a public library or one of the few remaining rental stores or a streaming service that offers the movie or a friend who owns the movie, wait. Hold onto this feeling and use it as a tool next time you're considering spending money to satisfy a morbid curiosity. Your gut rarely lies. Ask yourself, "Why am I buying this?" And make a habit of leaving a movie in its shrink-wrap for at least 24 hours after buying it. That alone has saved me more than a few dollars.

Andrew Forbes wrote:So, you've been having serious money problems, right? Necessitating the purging of large portions of your movie collection? And instead of finding some other avenue to watch this—by virtually all accounts—irredeemably awful movie, you chose to buy it?

Yes, I am having money problems and yes, I'm getting rid of a majority of my DVD/CD collection to make ends meet. I bought the flick because I've been freelancing as a teachers assistant - commenting and correcting college English Comp. papers.

Can I justify spending a few bucks of indulgence on this piece of shit? No, absolutely not - perhaps curiousty would be my response to that question..

Sadly, it was the first time in I don't know how many months I had a few dollars to actually buy a DVD...

I would like to shoot myself in the head now, that could have gone to some other movie, a c.d. or actually going to a movie.

I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong - so yes, I spent my extra money on that piece of shit and thanks for rubbing me further into hell for it.

Dude, let's ease back on the melodrama for a moment. You've been sharing all of these details, so you've got to expect some kind of response when something like this goes down. It never does an over-spender any good for others to ignore situations like this. It's not about "rubbing you further into hell," it's about clarifying the circumstances of your purchase and trying to get you to formulate some behavioral strategies, rather than letting you wallow in guilt and buyer's remorse. And sometimes over-spenders have to be told that they've been really stupid, even when they already know it, otherwise they are more likely to justify the same pattern of behavior the next time (believe me, I speak from experience). The number one rule of low-income movie buying: never blind-buy. Not even when it's a movie that has received universal praise, and especially not when it has been universally panned. If you don't have access to a public library or one of the few remaining rental stores or a streaming service that offers the movie or a friend who owns the movie, wait. Hold onto this feeling and use it as a tool next time you're considering spending money to satisfy a morbid curiosity. Your gut rarely lies. Ask yourself, "Why am I buying this?" And make a habit of leaving a movie in its shrink-wrap for at least 24 hours after buying it. That alone has saved me more than a few dollars.

Andrew - I really appreciate your candor and your advice and frankly, they are words to live by... I do stream and I want to kick myself in the bum because I could of put forth a few extra bucks to adding DVD to my Netflix account instead of buying the revolting piece of crap. At least I would have been able to rent movies for a couple of months. I do use Hulu Plus as well, its really been my only "guilty" pleasure before going broke... I almost bought the Superman Box-Set on Blu-ray because it was on an Amazon Deal of the Day thing - I wasn't even going to open it, I thought I could have profited off it as soon as it arrived in the mail.. Alas, another dumb move.

The library out here is AWFUL.. They can barely even afford books and the movies are all donated - most on VHS..

Thank you.. I will take your advice.

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe

I even listed in my item description that I will never see the film again.

I think that made it more interesting to the buyer, they like the sick sh!t... as the curious would kill the cat..

I role like H.G. Lewis yo!

I have to admit selling my VHS copies of Nekromantic I and II a number of years ago on Ebay to what appeared to have been a 18 year old kid. I felt pretty guilty about selling such indefensible crap, and I didn't really need the money. I sold the damn things at cost just to get rid of them.

I even listed in my item description that I will never see the film again.

I think that made it more interesting to the buyer, they like the sick sh!t... as the curious would kill the cat..

I role like H.G. Lewis yo!

I have to admit selling my VHS copies of Nekromantic I and II a number of years ago on Ebay to what appeared to have been a 18 year old kid. I felt pretty guilty about selling such indefensible crap, and I didn't really need the money. I sold the damn things at cost just to get rid of them.

In retrospect, I should have just burned the things.

I never understood the "appeal" of that movie. It had this weird underground following and a strange respect for the director. Years later, Nacho Carda would do Aftermath and the bonus feature on the laserdisc included the director of Nekromantik.. Still, I just didn't get the dude. The sequel is equally unwatchable. Did he ever do anything else?

It's not as though I really need you, if you were here I'd only bleed you..
-jonathen michael stipe