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was surprised when Bioshock didn't make an appearance in either top ten, even if it was in both top 25 series.

I think its Ayn Rand stuff resonates more with US players Vs europeans, plus the game I'd say is more loved by critics because it had a 'theme' to it than anything else. What the press gets behind isn't always what the public does. Looking at this months cover of EDGE magazine is enough to tell you that tbh.

Cool, let's do this. If someone makes the thread, make a "no rpg definition rule." It's worth pointing out that if a thread builds critical mass, the difference in definitions will be marginalized. Players votes define the genre, and if someone makes a convincing argument, people will edit their choices and the definition will evolve.

My Top 10:
Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-41 (also Darkest Hour)
IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 (original game was 2001 but this uber IL-2 version came out in 2006)
Company of Heroes
DOTA 2
Starcraft 2
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 2 (with recognition of the fact that the first had a better main plot and resolution)
Mount and Blade: Warband
TOME4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
Command Ops: Battles from the Bulge

Honorable mentions to Portal and Torchlight 2 and Bastion.

I feel like Dark Souls should be on the list too because I've watched a lot of Let's Plays of it and it looks like just the kind of thing up my alley but unfortunately my PC can't handle it so it'll have to wait :(.

Doing this list made me realize how much most of the games I continue to play are from pre-2006. Not sure what that says hah.

I'm kind of shocked to see New Vegas charting so high... But then again I'm one of those grumpy old Fallout nerds that's still butthurt because of what "they" did to one of my favorite FPG franchises. Also, AP is on the list? Really? RPS really likes their RPGs mediocre and riddled with bugs and broken mechanics :P

I'm kind of shocked to see New Vegas charting so high... But then again I'm one of those grumpy old Fallout nerds that's still butthurt because of what "they" did to one of my favorite FPG franchises. Also, AP is on the list? Really? RPS really likes their RPGs mediocre and riddled with bugs and broken mechanics :P

I jest... (not really)

Some people value something more in games than polish. AP didn't have any really game breaking bugs and mechanics were adequate. Instead it delivered splendidly in characters, world, conversation and stabbing people in the neck.

Weird that you said fallout was one of your fav franchise. F1 and F2 were broken for years. It took almost a decade of modders work to make the games complete and bug free. You shouldn't hold brokenness against AP then

Weird that you said fallout was one of your fav franchise. F1 and F2 were broken for years. It took almost a decade of modders work to make the games complete and bug free. You shouldn't hold brokenness against AP then

Well I don't really consider either game to be broken (both have some really wonky mechanics for sure), but you do have a point. There is a shitload of nostalgia for me when it comes to the original two Fallout games, and I really doubt that I'd be as forgiving of them if there was not.

But yea I'm one of those guys who takes gameplay over story any day of the week when it comes to games, so that's why I kind of sneer at most Obsidian games when it comes to things like this - including AP and NV XD

I need to change my list to include Batman AA and/or AC. Please take this into account with the collation. Thankyou.

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Weird that you said fallout was one of your fav franchise. F1 and F2 were broken for years. It took almost a decade of modders work to make the games complete and bug free. You shouldn't hold brokenness against AP then

That is nonsense, really. Fallout 1 and 2 were perfectly playable, perfectly complete games on release. They did not need the work of modders to make them work or complete. Any bugs or missing content/features of the Fallout games were not a big deal at the time of release. Unlike AP.

Originally Posted by Hypernetic

I just have an opinion different to your own. Circle jerking is good for no one, be glad somebody isn't afraid to disagree with women on the internet.

That is nonsense, really. Fallout 1 and 2 were perfectly playable, perfectly complete games on release. They did not need the work of modders to make them work or complete. Any bugs or missing content/features of the Fallout games were not a big deal at the time of release. Unlike AP.

Are we talking about the same Fallout 2? The one that originally had multiple ways to corrupt your savegame and a ton of broken features/quests? The one that has an unofficial patch which fixes over 800 bugs? I suppose it's perfectly playable in the sense that you can actually complete it and it's not quite as terribly buggy as Troika's games tend to be, but that's setting the bar rather low.

Are we talking about the same Fallout 2? The one that originally had multiple ways to corrupt your savegame and a ton of broken features/quests? The one that has an unofficial patch which fixes over 800 bugs? I suppose it's perfectly playable in the sense that you can actually complete it and it's not quite as terribly buggy as Troika's games tend to be, but that's setting the bar rather low.

I didn't need an unofficial patch to stop it from crashing every two hours, *cough*.

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Are we talking about the same Fallout 2? The one that originally had multiple ways to corrupt your savegame and a ton of broken features/quests? The one that has an unofficial patch which fixes over 800 bugs? I suppose it's perfectly playable in the sense that you can actually complete it and it's not quite as terribly buggy as Troika's games tend to be, but that's setting the bar rather low.

OK, I'll grant Fallout2 had some bug issues at release. But they were largely fixed by the official patch, shortly after release. It didn't need a decade of work by modders to be a playable and enjoyable game.

Originally Posted by Hypernetic

I just have an opinion different to your own. Circle jerking is good for no one, be glad somebody isn't afraid to disagree with women on the internet.

OK, I'll grant Fallout2 had some bug issues at release. But they were largely fixed by the official patch, shortly after release. It didn't need a decade of work by modders to be a playable and enjoyable game.

Instead Troika Games had the nerve to go bankrupt, the inconsiderate bastards. Tim Cain should be dragged to your living room in chains.