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When you accuse someone, you have to prove your accusation. People aren't guilty until proven innocent.

Originally Posted by zimmer

Well, at a very minimum, at least you admit the Gestapo/IRS is a tool of Leftists.

No I'm not, shut up.

Originally Posted by American

He hired the partisan hacks didn't he? That's the next thing down to giving the order yourself. The guy wanted to be President to execute a social justice agenda. And he will doze over anyone that stands in his way. I thought you were independent, seems you never have a right lean on any issue. The Left can't be correct on every issue could they? Even for you?

He did indeed, as the President he's responsible for the people who work under him. I'm not leaning to the left here, I think the level of detail the IRS went into for these conservative groups should be the level of detail for every tax exempt organization. That's not a left wing position. And I don't even believe that tax exempt status should be given to any organization that engages in any political activity whatsoever, not the current law where as long as its not your primary activity then you're OK. That's not a left wing position either because the left wing groups, just like the ring wing, want that tax exempt status for their political organizations pretending to be social welfare groups so they can hide their donor lists.

When Muslims are responsible for a disproportionate amount of terrorist crimes, it is wise to pull more of them aside. It's not racial profiling... it's called survival.

When the majority of illegals are Hispanic and have a foreign akzent, the chances are greater that they are illegal.

If you are in a hood with blacks and the area is known for criminal activity, you would be dumb not to investigate suspicious behavior.

When the Gestapo/IRS targets only one side of the equation for political purposes... that My Dear is the use of a government agency to intimidate and suppress.

So you see no reason to look more closely at a group that doesn't want to pay any taxes using a tax free exception that doesn't apply to political groups when forming groups that look political? yeah, i guess i can see where your hypocrisy would make you selectively blind to profiling for a purpose.

Originally Posted by zimmer

I know you, and points 1 through 3 have you bouncing off the walls, so let me assist you with some clear thinking from a black man who isn't shackled by the Left's perverse political correctness. This in a Presidential Primary Debate in 2000.

Sorry, but it makes complete sense from a profiling standpoint to look at groups which are very political to make sure they are not violating tax free status by using their funds to behave in a political way. Sorry, but you are just saying the same thing that muslims, blacks, and latinos have been saying about open profiling of them for years now. Like i said it sucks when it happens to you, but if it is tolerated as a method then it is being applied with logic and reasoning on the tea party.

When you accuse someone, you have to prove your accusation. People aren't guilty until proven innocent.

No I'm not, shut up.

He did indeed, as the President he's responsible for the people who work under him. I'm not leaning to the left here, I think the level of detail the IRS went into for these conservative groups should be the level of detail for every tax exempt organization. That's not a left wing position. And I don't even believe that tax exempt status should be given to any organization that engages in any political activity whatsoever, not the current law where as long as its not your primary activity then you're OK. That's not a left wing position either because the left wing groups, just like the ring wing, want that tax exempt status for their political organizations pretending to be social welfare groups so they can hide their donor lists.

I'm not here to judge what right and left wing groups want, but what the Obama Administration did. They're loaded with partisan hacks (like any administration), except these people went too far. And that comes from having the attitude that it's okay to hire all your political allies no matter how partisan crazy they are. So you put one in charge of a very sensitive department........approving tax exempt status. And it just so happens that a bunch of conservative groups get hung up for months prior to the 2012 election (nothing suspicious there). If Obama wasn't so partisan and ideological himself, he may have been more careful about hiring idiots. You hire your political friends, you get what you get when they **** up. The minute that bitch took the 5th, he should have jerked her the hell out of there......YOU'RE FIRED. She's an appointee, she remains at the pleasure of the President. Same with Holder, who probably has so much dirt on Obama, he's afraid to fire him. Obama has had a charmed presidency provided by the MSM. This administration even went after reporters, talk about arrogant. If this had been Bush with a Dem House, you can bet your ass Articles of Impeachment would been drafted already.......and front page headlines 24/7/365.

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You'll get no argument from me if they ALL had to pay taxes. But that's not the way it works. ACORN, as an example, was a 501c4, difference being any contribution to THAT organization was tax deductible, unlike c3's. If that wasn't filled with political ideology, I don't know what group was.

You can claim it was full of political ideology, but they simply did not work in a political way. They had a purpose beyond politics. they did not run candidates. they did not organize voters for a single candidate. They simply acted within their purposes to provide non-political services to people. You may be able to make a case they provided services that may have helped out an illegal part of the populace, though that is poorly supported, but they certainly are not a political party like the tea party.

I'm not here to judge what right and left wing groups want, but what the Obama Administration did. They're loaded with partisan hacks (like any administration), except these people went too far. And that comes from having the attitude that it's okay to hire all your political allies no matter how partisan crazy they are. So you put one in charge of a very sensitive department........approving tax exempt status. And it just so happens that a bunch of conservative groups get hung up for months prior to the 2012 election (nothing suspicious there). If Obama wasn't so partisan and ideological himself, he may have been more careful about hiring idiots. You hire your political friends, you get what you get when they **** up. The minute that bitch took the 5th, he should have jerked her the hell out of there......YOU'RE FIRED. She's an appointee, she remains at the pleasure of the President. Same with Holder, who probably has so much dirt on Obama, he's afraid to fire him. Obama has had a charmed presidency provided by the MSM. This administration even went after reporters, talk about arrogant. If this had been Bush with a Dem House, you can bet your ass Articles of Impeachment would been drafted already.......and front page headlines 24/7/365.

When you said he appointed the person in charge, I thought you meant the head of the IRS, but if you're talking about a mid level or even upper level employee of the IRS, well those positions just aren't filled directly by the President. Well really I should say "acting head of the IRS" which is another problem in that agencies like the IRS shouldn't have long standing "active heads" they need real leaders.

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

You confuse a court of law with an internet discussion board.

I just try to have standards of integrity on an internet discussion board. :/

I stand by my analysis of your post. ... that, at a very minimum, at least you admit the Gestapo/IRS is a tool of Leftists.

Now you don't like what you wrote and want a Shaddup? ROTFLOL... naaaaaaaaaaah. I don't do a da Shaddup. I don't do subservient either.

1) This is a single IRS office, its not the entire organization and its not policy of the organization.

2) Until the IRS starts dragging people out of their homes to murder them in the streets in the middle of the night, the IRS isn't the gestapo. So stop this bull**** you god damn overly dramatic partisan asshole. You're a disagree to everything you claim to stand for.

So you see no reason to look more closely at a group that doesn't want to pay any taxes using a tax free exception that doesn't apply to political groups when forming groups that look political? yeah, i guess i can see where your hypocrisy would make you selectively blind to profiling for a purpose.

Well, that is all nice and dandy, but it doesn't deny the fact Lois Lerner is heading the Gestapo/IRS on behalf of her party.

Read the following. How does a Nigerian get this kind of service... when he was operating illegally? How? He's a Democrat with connections. Republicans must wait 3-years... and they get anal probed... but a connected D from a foreign country gets the red carpet.