George Zimmerman – Again

At about 1 pm in Lake Mary, FL, on Lake Mary Blvd near 1-4, George Zimmerman was once again making the news. I don’t know about you but I’m not surprised, I made a comment the other day on Twitter how it was about time for him to once again make the news.

It involved a road rage incident (his second). The driver of a Lexus claims that Zimmerman waved a gun at him so he fired back. The bullet entered the passenger side window of Zimmerman’s Honda and Zimmerman was slightly injured in the face by flying glass/debris. The bullet missed him.

The driver of the other car drove to a strip center and begged a man returning from lunch to call 911 for him, and that he just shot George Zimmerman. It should be interesting to note that this center is very near his former ex-girlfriend’s dentist office from his last domestic violence incident.

The 911 caller was interviewed by CNN, and this is where it gets interesting. Personally, I can’t believe others didn’t pick it up. The caller says the shooter didn’t have a phone and to please call police. The man complied and he said that the shooter’s name is Matt Apperson, and that he has had at least 3 prior incidents with George Zimmerman.

Matt Apperson is none other that the same man who was involved with the last road rage incident with George Zimmerman back in Sept. 2014. He didn’t want to file charges back then but now, has taken it a step further.

Early reports are saying that George Zimmerman waved a gun at him so he shot back at him. You would have thought that Zimmerman would give this guy a very wide berth knowing after the last incident that the man is a licensed concealed carry in the State of FL. But then again we are talking about Zimmerman.

Reports are also saying that Apperson is cooperating fully with police, while Zimmerman is refusing to cooperate.

News is still breaking and I’ll add if anything big changes, but keep in mind I don’t have the expertise to add things like Xena does.

Maybe the time that elapses between gz events represents the time it takes gz to read all the articles and all the comments on his earlier “incident”. 🙂 Then, perhaps, when there is nothing more for him to read, he gets edgy and gets into trouble.

Don West has given a statement on Z’s version……Z was minding his own business when a vehicle approached from behind, honking horn and flashing lights. The vehicle pulled up on passenger side and when Z recognized Apperson he rolled up his passenger window and then Apperson shot.

I’m not surprise after all in his mind he is always the victim and others are always to blame.

Not that Zippy’s character wasn’t evident before…but this half cocked trigger happy one step over the line danger to himself and the public has an insatiable revenge streak. I get it. Now I’m waiting for the fleas to soothe the beast.

Does Fogen think he’s, like, some Wild, Wild West character ?? Gun play as a normal everyday thing ??

How many of us, in the real world, know of anyone who now has at least half a dozen incidents where a gun was drawn, or threatened to be drawn, and shots fired, and someone was hit or killed ?? I’m thinking 99.99999% of us will have to say 0

What the hell is in the water down there ????

Things we’ll never hear from or about Fogen

“I was on my way to work when……”
“I was just sitting at my desk, doing my job when……”
“So this kindly old black man needed a hand getting his groceries into his car so naturally I gave him a hand”
“I love what the Pastor at our Church has to say every Sunday”
“Oh, my bad………I’m so sorry”
“Yeah, guns just create reasons for crime”
“No, that’s okay, dinner’s on me….what, with all you’ve done for me so far”
“I just hated taking all that money from them on the internet”
“He’s just such a, well…a good guy”
“Here, use my truck……”
“No thanks, I’ve had too much to eat already”
“I filled out an application last week…..has anybody been hired yet?”
“It was nothing, I don’t need to be on TV…..talk to those guys”
“You can never have enough education”
“Maybe I should take that job”
“I think I’ll send some money for child support to Sam…..”
“……….guilty, Your Honor”
“The troubles in my marriage to Shellie were mostly my fault”
“I really shouldn’t carry this gun around, hell, somebody might get hurt, or I might lose my temper and then……………..”

I do have an ex-boyfriend (almost 40 years ago) who also shot a man after instigating the incident (fortunately long after we broke up) and he’s has since been involved in all sorts of incidents – sending stepkid to break out car windows, etc. and some stuff that may be bigger – I heard some lurid rumors years ago – and I’m sure he’s done plenty that I don’t know about because he had those meltdowns at predictable time intervals. This is what I see in GZ too. My ex is definitely a narcissist, and narcissists are on a spectrum, so my ex is malignant, definitely sociopathic because he’s a chronic thief and liar, I found out as he slowly revealed himself to me and the world. I think GZ is not quite as far out angry as my ex but he’s quite a bit slyer, using his slurry soft voice to make the public think he’s mellow. My ex-boyfriend just showed his anger all the time, no charm included.

2nd time this is not by chance obviously Zimmerman has beef he wants to settle with this man but did not think this man would stand his ground. Lake Mary has some serious decisions to make as the cat is now out of the bag this man has went to the local police regarding zimmerman before and they have allowed it to be swept under the rug now we see just how far this has come its at the point now in which Guns are being used.

Lake Mary Police department has an obligation to protect its citizens and also to protect George from himself. I fully believe Charges are going to be filed once the investigation completes.

What cracked me up some have claimed this man was braggin to the man who called 911 saying “I shot George Zimmerman” let me clarify this the shooter was telling this person to call 911 naming George because George is well known and is also known to carry a gun that wasnt bragging that was informing the citizen call the cops cus I just shot this crazy ass stalker of mine and I dont think he is dead

Yes the other “side” is full of the conspiracies, Z doesn’t live in Florida and was only visiting his mom on Mother’s day…..which was the day before. Apperson is the real stalker, Apperson was bragging about shooting Z, Apperson has a history of a bad temper—-remind me again who has the multiple mug shots. Apperson’s neighbor has called 911 on him–saying he left a dead squirrel on her law–sounds like the neighbor is a bit squirrely.

Yes, they do that here too – but they are ONLY allowed to use them for the traffic violations – however, they (at least here) ARE clear enough to see what is going on in side of cars. There was talk about how using the cams could serve in that fashion, but that was decided to be too Big Brother-ish – they are only allowed to use them here for the traffic infarction you are ticketed with (and yes, there are sites you can go to to look at the video – believe me, I’ve had a couple, I know LOL) and not for anything else that is going on – even though (at least here) it is clear enough to see – and if they wanted, they could see drugs and all kinds of things – they knocked that one down. Now business that have cams that look out onto parking lots or the sidewalk, that is another story and police secure the video from businesses all the time – so if there were businesses that capture video that far, that would be the way to do it.

Well…..we all miss the obvious. Remember those tiny little scratches from 2/2012. He, and his entire posse made them seem to be so horrendous it was a major miracle he survived. Hell, Robbie the Racist claimed Fogen was near having to wear diapers the rest of his life and would have to be spoon fed.

Damn !!!!!! what will Fogen say once he gets in front of a camera about an actual bullet whizzing past his thick skull.

On the other hand, any shot that connects with that brain would have to, by actual damage, be called “a minor wound” since he has nothing working up there.

It looks like Mark NeJame will represent Apperson…..if the name rings a bell it should…..he refused to represent Zimmerman twice and his law firm’s “involvement” was one of the reasons one of the judges were removed from his trial.

IIRC, he was involved in a road rage incident couple of years prior to 2012. (???? ) I’d have to look to see if I still have his 911 calls including when he called on a former landlord.
Media makes it seem like he’s never been in any trouble until post Trayvon. Not true.

I have no doubt Zimmernut, “such a stupid a** jerk”, is being seen for exactly what he is now, even by those most skeptical in the past.

Flashing his guns, gun shows, repeated traffic stops, stalking’s, road rage, playing “Cop” in the parking lot of a store that didn’t even want him there (and banned him), stupid copied pictures he tried to sell for quick cash, much less violence against Shellie, her Father, and so called girlfriend.

And Trayvon??????? A teen, in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and the “Wrong” color to suit Zimmernut. With only a bag of skittles, and a can of tea, Trayvon was stalked, confronted, and killed. (Because wannabe “COP” Zimmernut felt empowered)

And it’s quite obvious this idiot still feels empowered! But his day will come.

Thanks Yahtzee for posting. Mark Nejame has gz’s number. He doesn’t want to divulge any info not only because it could obstruct the investigation but he doesn’t want z to twist it to benefit himself. (like he did w/Trayvon)

WESH at noon gave an interesting story about the news conference from Lake Mary PD. They said they are looking into “Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill” charges.

Now lets go to FL Statues:

784.011 Assault.—
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083

784.021 Aggravated assault.—
(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:
(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or

(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

I put up the first one because of the definition of assault…….”doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent. ”

Can this mean that they are looking at charging Zimmerman? I say this because of Apperson’s claim that GZ waved his gun at him…..thus creating the act which caused a well founded fear in Apperson that he would be shot. Also with them investigating a charge of a deadly weapon (Z’s gun) without intent to kill (he waved it to scare Apperson but didn’t intend to shoot Apperson).

as i now understand fogen had moved and was just visiting….since these 2 had had problems before it is unlikely apperson knew fogen was around, far more likely if it was not a mere chance encounter that is was fogen seeking him out since apperson wouldnt know he was around if he knew he had moved away.

Perhaps gz saw Apperson in the traffic coming toward him. gz then turn on his flashers to make a u-turn and catch up to Apperson. That would explain why gz’s vehicle was on the left side of Apperson’s Infinity car. (Total speculation on my part.)

Well…..FogenPhoole knew where Apperson worked and it’s a matter of public record on at least 2 police reports. I can’t imagine any other scenario than Fogen was back in town to shut off his mom’s electric again for a Mothers day surprise and decided to stalk Apperson.

Fogen’s line of logic would go something like “……I don’t live here anymore so I can do what I want and nobody will suspect the Teflon man” I doubt PhatFogenPhoole ever imagined he have someone return fire.

There is at least 1 witness who said he clearly heard 2 shots. Did FogenPhoole fire and miss ?
Did Apperson return fire ??

This supports what Bill T. said above. There is no way I’d believe Apperson say Fogen and went after him. BUT…..Fogen now has a history of following and provoking people, then turning it around and making himself the victim.

I think Fogen needs to be charged with assault or something relating to brandishing a weapon. Maybe we’ll find he did fire a shot.

If Z did fire at Apperson then the cops should find the spent cartridge in his truck. But the man who was mowing his lawn has said he definitely heard one shot but maybe 2. We know that Apperson used his .357 revolver and only one bullet was fired….since only one spent shell casing was still in revolver.

One of the things several people noticed about Z in his TM interviews….he seems to project what he did as what others did. He even started to slip in one of his Serino interviews about that saying “I” instead of TM.

Yeah, West must have forgot about earlier interviews when he said the windows were down. Instead he is following the latest Internet defense….dark windows so he couldn’t have seen Z’s gun…..yeah right.

Now look at that bullet hole in the window, now compare the height of Z…about 5’7″, that bullet hole is at least 5′ from the ground……hmmmmm. Just how high sitting is that Infinity (sorry I thought it was a lexus)? The bullet ended up in the frame above the driver’s window near the safety handle. This shows that the bullet was traveling upwards ever so slightly even if the window was fully up. But Z never says Apperson got out of his car so how did Apperson get a shot like that? Answer: window was still going up and was actually lower when the shot went thru the window. That would make the angle of Apperson sitting in his car and the shot more believable.

Love it, West pitching out of right field. So if Mr. Haskell has dark tinted side windows, how did Apperson know it was him? And you know, Apperson has a job, assuming the same position, I’d venture to guess Apperson wouldn’t jeopardize that position for such a wasted piece of…oh sorry,phone…Happy Mother’s Day Mrs. Zimmerman 😁

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light. (Wikipedia)

When was Z faced with impending death? Gee, according to them he should have experienced a near death experience with TM since he claimed he was one head banging away from death then, smh.

Let me get this right. Zimmerman’s story when he killed Trayvon is that he was having near death experience; head felt like it was going to explode, blood in eyes, being smothered; so he pinned Trayvon’s arm and then aimed and shot the kid in the heart. Zimmerman was talking that night, the next day at work, and then appeared on a “walk-through” video.

But when a bullet whizzes by his head that he didn’t see coming, he can’t talk.

Xena…he is a mess, “almost dies”, according to him, with his encounter with TM and never goes to a hospital but is walking and talking to anyone who will listen and he never claimed to having a near death experience with TM. Now a bullet whizzes in front of his face, he gets a scratch on his arm, and he goes to a hospital in an ambulance, is having a near death experience and can’t talk.

This is a seriously flawed sack of garbage. (condescending tone and head tilt) and the “near death exp.” line is a laugh. No…….he waved his gun and when Apperson pulled his out he said “Oh…..shit…..Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, please don’t fail me now”

Then he rolled up his window. Get it right Skeletor.

Oh, and by the way, the “how could Apperson see into Fogen’s car if the tinted windows were up is well……your story…….which is diametrically opposed to what Fogen said to the police, which is what actually counts. Fogen said, he saw Apperson point a gun THEN he rolled up the passenger side window….see how easy that was.

George Zimmerman had moved out of Florida recently, hoping for a fresh start.

Zimmerman had returned to the area for Mother’s Day and a doctor’s appointment, and was driving to his doctor’s office when the confrontation took place, said his attorney, Don West. Apperson works nearby, at a disability-benefits office.

Zimmerman’s Moon (emotional response to life) is in his subconscious’ 12th house and motivated him to cleanse the entire neighborhood of “umpurities” or anything he perceived as dirty. This Moon position enunciate living in confinement (jail/hospital) dealing, using drugs or forced into hiding in an island.

We now know that Zim has lived in confinement.

Dr. Turi also wrote:

Neptune (drugs/dementia) is also in the 3rd house afflicting his mental process dictating the high possibility of using drugs which will probably surface in the future.

I don’t think Z will ever have much of a life, considering his track record over the past three years. So his confinement to a small life will continue.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if Apperson and not Z is charged. I mean, I’m hopeful the law will find something to slap Z with, but I look at it like this – it’s awfully hard to prove that Z was brandishing his gun, but there’s proof that Apperson not only brandished but fired his. It appears to me that St. Mary PD would love to charge Z with something but have no real proof of Apperson’s story, unless someone else witnessed the incident. So Z may very well get away with his shizzazz once again.

And where, pray tell, is he living now? Inquiring minds would like to know.

There was an article in the Daily mail where a “friend” says that others give him jobs to help him out. Sounds like he is a professional moocher and is living off of his friends giving him odd jobs and getting paid under the table.

Odd jobs, uh? What if — just what if — instead of Zimmerman plagiarizing paintings and coming on camera with the blame game, he had asked for a job instead? Well, maybe that would not have worked either since he really didn’t wait long after the verdict before he was caught on camera being aggressive to his then father-in-law and destroying Shellie’s Ipad.

roderrick……just for the record the NRA wouldn’t touch him. The President of the NRA gave a statement after the shooting and they wouldn’t have anything to do with him. He doesn’t fall into the NRA’s program of a responsible gun owner.

Looks like Little Robbie Z is demanding Chief Bracknell to recuse himself from the investigation now why is that Robbie? I understand your claiming Bracknell is Biased due to some e mails that went public in late 2013.

But those E mails were not Biased in any way what you have there is a Police Chief being Brutally Honest in regards to the behavior of your Brother Georgie. and I know Honesty isnt exactly something the zimmerman family is familiar with.

However for such a Biased Chief your brother sure did seem to skip out on charges that could have and should have sent him away for 20 years X’s 2 keep in mind Samantha isn’t the only person George threatened to shoot since he chased and murdered an unarmed kid.

He threatened Shellie & her father as well and lets not forget he threatened Apperson a year ago in another road rage incident only to show up at Matts place of work the next day.

By now its clear that Zimmerman has a pattern of following people with intent to shoot them

“Man, it would be fantastic if you have an apartment out there [in Los Angeles] for George Zimmerman,” Bracknell, the police chief, told The Times. “This guy is killing me. We’re just a small-town police department — this really taxes us.”

Roderick, some doctors will not renew prescriptions for certain medications. Patients need a new prescription every 30 days. But, if they are abusing the drug or selling it, they have more than one doctor.

George Zimmerman has once again gone into hiding and tells friends he is “badly shaken” after being shot at by Matthew Apperson Monday in Lake Mary, Florida.

According to the Daily Mail, the acquitted killer has told friends close to him that “he feels lucky to be alive” and that “God was watching over him” the day he reportedly waived a gun at Apperson in the third of such encounters between the two men — which according to Apperson had previously included Zimmerman stalking him while armed and threatening to “fucking kill” him.

While Zimmerman acknowledges that he could’ve been killed when Apperson fired a shot into the driver’s side window of Zimmerman’s truck, he told friends “It just wasn’t my time to go.”

I don’t believe a lot of what his friends have to say but then again they got that version from Z. They claim he gets nervous and sweats a lot when in public…..yet the fool has no problem promoting himself at gun shows and bragged at times on twitter about going to the movies, shopping, and parties.

I wish he would move to Virginia or anywhere else out of this state. I find myself always looking over my shoulder when I’m in the Lake Mary area, afraid that I’ll run into that crazy person. I survived a trip through there today…..thankfully no one followed me.

I do hope for one thing. I wonder if he experienced even the slightest fear that TM felt just prior to Z taking his life. I hope he did…..maybe then he’ll think twice before following another person.

Yeah so he tells police apperson called him a “fat fuck & said he didn’t press charges BC he wanted to kill him himself” and instead of what any normal, completely innocent person would say, like why, WTF is wrong w you? He laughs & calls him a clown.

Shannon, I found your comment in the spam folder. It contained the “f” word. LOL! Funny — since I changed options requiring a Word Press account to submit comments, it has eliminated spam by 99 percent, so when I saw that, it got my attention.

Wow. I guess WordPress is a little Oppressed! That word has been so mainstreamed it’s hardly a cuss word anymore.
Brought up in a hyper religious family, I thought that was the worst word in the world, I remember being horrified & literally turning red when i was in the lunch line & 1st over heard some kid say it, even though I’d never really defined it in my own mind. It took me until I was 23 to even say it. right after i saw the movie boys in da hood at some friends house to prepare me for my 1st trip to California! LMAO
And then I could.not.stop.saying.it! LMAO I mean it was ridiculous! i have video of me where i’ve lost my mind because i repeated it over & over thinking it was the funniest shit on earth.. i swore i was sooo cool!! OMG I’m so stupid!

Shannon, blame me for that. 🙂 Back in mid 2013 until I got the problem resolved (at least on a temporary basis), this blog received an average of 3 vile comments a day from the cyberextortionists through proxy IP addresses. All of their favorite vocabulary was placed in the blacklist queue so if they hit a proxy IP that wasn’t blocked, the comment would go into spam. I’ve not taken time to go through and delete those words because recently, Miss Filth from Texas has opened a Word Press account for the expressed purpose of trying to get her vile filth before my eyes again.

I think that Apperson knew all along there was a good chance that he would be arrested. This is case where the rubber meets the road because both parties are alive, and neither party has authority to withdraw their complaint. Zimmerman is now on the other side as a witness, being deposed and required to testify. He won’t have a choice about it.

From the news tonight…..Apperson was arrested solely on Z’s statement. On advice from NeJame, Apperson has not spoken to or given a statement beyond what was already said….before he lawyer end up. NeJame said this was expected and no surprise.

Rumor has it that police report has a redacted line in which it says that Apperson was recently in a mental institution recently. I tried to get it to show up but couldn’t. If he did I wonder if it was voluntary or involuntary and results. Depending on the circumstances, Apperson’s gun ownership and Concealed carry might have been illegal.

I swear i heard that isn’t the concealed carry permit (at least in FL) granted on a case by case basis at the discretion of the county sheriff or local police dept?
and what about someone who’s apparently an out patient like Zimmerman who has to see a psychiatrist to get Adderall ect.. suffering from paranoia & anxiety?

Shannon you heard wrong or the person telling you is misinformed. FL is not a case by case basis determined by the local law enforcement. It is decided by the State itself and as long as you meet the requirements and do not have a disqualifier then you get one. There are a few states though that it is true.

This is what the requirement says about mental health:

You are NOT ELIGIBLE for a Florida concealed weapon license if any of the following conditions applies to you: (1) you have
been adjudicated incapacitated under section 744.331, F.S., or similar laws of any other state; (2) you have been committed
to a mental institution in accordance with the provisions of Chapter 394, FS, or similar laws of any other state; (3) you have
been adjudicated mentally defective or incompetent in any court. Your eligibility for licensure would be restored only
if you had received relief from federal firearms disabilities through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives (ATF).

744.331, F.S. deals with the courts evaluating a patient and their rights.

Z has never been deemed incompetent by a court or admitted into a mental institution. Yes, he sees a “therapist”/doctor to deal with his “issues” and gets medicine to help with it but that alone doesn’t disqualify one.

Knew I could count on you to set me straight! I think I got that idea from something about a report on making it hard for black ppl to get guns. That local sheriffs wld deny black ppl their permits for their arbitrary reasons.

I saw only one redaction and it was for where the cop met Apperson — unless I missed it. Because of HIPPA law, no one has to disclose their private health info and if LE obtained it through means other than the legal procedure, (AND IF IT’S TRUE), they can be sued.

looks like its true so looks like the PD’s error is grounds for a lawsuit & someone should be disciplined. after all remember this is the same PD that discouraged Apperson from filing charges against Zimmerman for threatening him & stalking.

another thing, they had ample evidence of Zimmerman’s aggression against his wife & father in law on video. he’s seem patting his chest where the gun is and motioning them to come here. just because they couldn’t get the video from the ipad, doesn’t mean they couldn’t see the damn idiot on home cams and it corroborated Shellie’s
‘excited utterance’ to 911.
one doesn’t call 911, especially shellie after all the drama she musta known would happen if she did, if she wasn’t in fear.
BTW; another thing that bothers me is the idea that they couldn’t get the video off the ipad when most of the time, at least with every android & iphone I’ve had, any photos & video I’ve taken is uploaded to a cloud almost instantly. & even faster if I’m using wifi. and they deff had wifi since they had the security cams.

lake mary totally failed to take action against Zimmerman when they had a number of opportunities. i don’t believe it would’ve been difficult to have convinced his victims they could make a strong case stick against him, considering his previous behavior, if they’d just press charges. instead everyone just wanted to wash their hands of him & hoped he wouldn’t be stupid enough to do anything again. they were so wrong.

Shannon, Zimmerman has a mob leader method in that it appears he only brutalizes people who are blackmailable. When he threatened Shellie, attacked her dad, and destroyed evidence, Shellie was on probation. She was vulnerable.

When Sam called the cops on Zimmerman, and in spite of there being evidence of destroyed property and his barricading himself in the house, Sam recanted because Zimmerman’s minions went after her mom as a gold-digger. Oh — and let’s not forget the revenge porn that Zimmerman showed Sam’s daughter.

The other girlfriend had something going on between her and a former boyfriend who she said Zimmerman threatened to contact.

Now there’s Matthew, and after calling the cops twice about Zimmerman threatening and stalking him, he didn’t file charges. He might have wanted to avoid what Zimmerman’s minions are doing now, which is placed him under the microscope to dig into not just his life, but his mind.

NeJame is smart. The cops redacted that portion of their report, and whichever Zimmerman minion figured it out and publicly reported it is in a position of being sued. It’s a federal violation.

you could look at it like that or you could look at it in another way. “i hope i got him this time’ sounds to me that he’s scared & finally had the courage to stand up to the bully who’d stalked & threatened him already.
if that idiot threatened you twice & you felt you needed to put him down before he made good on those threats, you’d hope this would’ve put an end to his reign of terror too?

BTW. remember the other person in the car with him when he threatened apperson the 1st time? wouldn’t it be great if Zimmerman had burned his bridge with that person by now & he’s ready to come clean & admit what happened? if apperson could get that guy to testify for him this case is done!

Lake Mary Blvd. is a main drag and it occurred around lunch time and it is a heavily traveled road. There had to be considerable traffic out there and so far it doesn’t appear anyone knew what had transpired. A bystander did recognize Z’s vehicle and started to film what was happening, that is the person who caught the footage of him getting the ambulance.

Speed limit on that road is mainly 45 mph. It would not be unheard of for traffic to slow for a light or come to a stop.

Idk where he carries it, maybe in a holster or like most ppl I know in their pocket &then stick it in the glove box/or compartment in the middle when they get in the car. I don’t think most ppl wld keep it on them while driving.
Yes, I want to see the map too with the routes they claim they each took. I need a visual before I can understand.