As it stands, there are 4 Cyborg Types: Type (Generation) 0, Type (Generation) 1 {Henrietta and the girls}, Type (Generation) 2 {Petrushka}, and Type (Generation) 3. I have already defined the Type 0 in the OC Wiki.

Well we know Petrushka was the first Generation 2, however she and the other three we know about were all very "chummy", so I expect that they were all converted very close together (likely within a span of under three months), so I don't expect that there are any material differences between them and they are all built to a more-or-less common specification.

3rd Generation cyborgs at a glance:Seeing all the flaws of 2nd generation the doctors in the SWA rolled in the 3rd generation of cyborgs. These cyborgs shows the rigid design of the 1st generation but with a great tone down on their abilities through specialized abilities and not through generalized tasks. Instead of making well rounded girls they made girls that are particularly good in certain things. This relieves the stress of overall training and still makes them useful.

Enhanced physical power- by how much?A Type 1 is about ten times stronger than a human while a Type 2 is about four times as strong, which is still capable of killing a human barehanded. A type 3 would be somewhere in the middle.

In terms of raw physical abilities, I tend to think the Type 1's would be the strongest with the fastest reflexes and the best armor. Having read the manga, I remain firm in my belief the main purpose of the Type 1 girls is for offensive combat situations and that is what drove their design.

Since we have only seen Petrushka in action, it is hard to tell what the Type 2's were designed for as it applies to fitting into Section 2 operations. We've seen her used mostly for espionage and intelligence gathering, which is really the mission of Public Safety and not Special Operations. Since Alessandro came to Special Operations from Public Safety, is he imprinting on Petrushka his own former role? Should Petrushka really be an assassin like the Type 1 girls and Alessandro is just employing her differently? She's been trained for weapons and hand-to-hand combat, after all, just like the Type 1's.

In the manga of her construction, it states what they left out of her (Petra)...Thus far, she is lucky not to have been hit, or else 'Sandro (and the rest of the GsG world) may discover that Petra (and thus the rest of the Type 2's) does not have the bullet resistant body liner that the Type 1s have.

In fact, this is how I have Rachel- without the internal liner, and thus she wears an external liner on missions. Anyone who has a Type 2 OC should do the same or they risk in losing their cyborgs from a lucky shot to the mid section.

I am operating under the assumption that the Type 2's are armored. They might not be as heavily armored (perhaps NIJ Type IIIA for the chest and Type II for the abdomen), but I can't see them being totally unarmored.

V6 CH31 P129-Dr. Gilliani: For this series we tried not to touch the upper torso. Of course her internal organs, muscles and skin are artifical... as long as she is not shot by the enemy. I hope her lifespan is long.

I disagree. It just says they didn't do the level of modification they did with the Type 1's.

And we don't know what they did to the Type 1's torso. Maybe they replaced the ribcage and/or clavicle with CFRP and titanium. Maybe they used tons of artificial muscle so without a shirt they're as ripped as Biff. Maybe they re-arranged their internal organs. Or moved the arteries and veins around for better protection.

I mean you all write them the way you wish, but for my fiction, Kara has some armor.

Both show the same thing.Consider that Angie was a Quadriplegic when she arrived at the SWA, you are talking about a full and total repair of the unit's body. Secondly, Episode 12- she took several rounds to the abdomen, and survived the long flight home in an army medivac when most people would not have. Furthermore, Angie survived and managed to save Marco's life in the Truck Bomb Incident. Ever seen what happens to a body that close to an explosion of such magnatude? This says that the Type 1's bodies have some kind of internal protection that can take a lot of punishment, that type 2s do not seem to have. (I'll also point out that Henrietta took on a Bouncing Betty and had little damage done to her.)

Why is it that Dr. Gilliani would say in V6 CH31 P129- "...as long as she is not shot by the enemy. I hope her lifespan is long."?

That says volumes to me that the Type 2's do not have the same internal protection that the type ones have. In fact it says that they have little to no protection.

Also, as mentioned in the chatroom the other night, someone said that "Perhaps under all the clothing, all the cyborgs are built like Biff." In Volume 6, thanks to Sandro, we managed to see a naked Petrushka, and she is not buffed out like Biff. In fact, she looks like a typical skinny girl of her age and height. So that cant be either.

Face it- Canon States that the Type 2's have little to no internal protection and bullet resistance that the Type 1's appear to have. Now what you do with your OCs is on you, but I have my Type 2 as by Canon Definition of its physical make up. This is why in my stories, my type 2 cyborg (Rachel) has her own bullet resistant t-shirt to wear on missions.

Good writing is accepting the limitations of a character and use them to their advantage to win a no-win situation. Creating God-Characters (and yes- I am guilty of that when writing Fernando) in order to win in a story is bad writing. In that, there must be some sort of agreement to say that type 2's with internal bullet resistance protection is not a type 2, but perhaps a type 2.5- an augmentation of a type 2 as per Yu's definition, and a correction of his mistake in creating them.

And then we have the Type 2's, who are armored like an inflatable dummy tank.

As I said last night, that makes absolutely no sense to me. And it should make absolutely no sense when you think that these girls are designed for melee combat with guns.

Why would you create Type 2's then? Why not send Ferro, Nehad, Alfonso, Amadeo or Giorgio? They're as effective an agent at that point - likely even more effective since they have years of experience, skill and training.

Because you need someone who can break down a door? Use a modern piston-powered compact one-man battering ram.

Because you need young-looking operatives? A number and two words -- 21 Jump Street.

We also know from manga Chapter 4 and Episode 12 of the first anime series that the cyborg program is under pressure and threat from other governments agencies that want to discredit it and cancel it. So the answer to that is to create ten new cyborgs who are effectively helpless?

Do they have to be armored like the Type 1's? No. Do they need to be able to survive getting hit by a car or absorbing a bomb blast? No.Should they be effectively invulnerable to 5.56mm/7.62mm round at point blank range? No.

But that also doesn't mean that they have to either go around naked to incoming fire or they need all their clothes to have a Dragon Skin backing.

Modern NIJ Type IIA ballistic armor capable of defeating 9mm or .40S&W with impact velocities of around ~300m/s is powerfully thin and flexible. They make it in vests now designed to be worn under suit jackets for executives (hear that, Hillshire?). It is clear that the SWA has developed some new "miracle" versions of CFRP. I would not be surprised if the artificial CFRP muscle bundles themselves offered around this level of protection. That would be enough basic protection for a Type 2 cyborg and would just be part of their structure/construction.

Clearly, the Type 1's have stronger armor. At least somewhere around NIJ Type III (7.62mm NATO rifle round) based on what Triela and Angelica took. That pretty much requires ceramic plates in reality, but again, we saw with the BMW X5 and the Ferrari 575M that there exists in the GSG world CFRP armor that can stop just about anything a personal slug-thrower can shoot. And you could lay it down in overlapping "riveted" strips and plates to offer full body movement (ala medieval plate armor).

Alessandro is obviously very fond of Petrushka, yet he dresses her in as little as possible. Now either all her clothes are woven from aramids and ultra high molecular weight polyethylene, or her body offers at least some basic level of ballistic protection.

If you want Rachel to wear additional ballistic protection, more power to you. All the handlers have it in my current story and I damn near put it on Kara and Petrushka because I believe they doesn't have the protection level that the rest of the girls do. But since I need Kara to be shot in the abdomen, I had her opponent use 9x39mm steel-core bullets. They're not really armor-piercing, but they have much better penetrating power then a copper-jacketed version, to say nothing of a CJ 9x19mm Parabellum round. At a handful of meters range and fired from a submachine gun, they had more then enough velocity to penetrate her basic protection and bore nice clean holes all the way through her and out her back.

The only other option is the reflexes of the Type 2 cyborgs are so fast, they effectively operate in "bullet time" and can just twist out of the way of any incoming rounds fired at them.

there are other reasons for the type 2's ,longer life span for one,the direct knowledge implantation that speeds up the training, and the SWA is pretending to be a charity helping the disabled with prosthetic implants,so the type 2 design that doesn't kill you in 5 years is a definite step in the right direction for that little subterfuge,apart from anything else the new designs are more likely to be put into civilian use,and sales of said implants would help cover the money trail of the SWA

Well it was stated one of the reasons the Type 2 are older girls is that the SWA wants to develop prosthesis that can be used with adults so they need larger body types (though Petrushka is the same height as Triela - 160cm). Also, it is the conditioning medication and chemical brainwashing that eventually kills the brain, not the prosthesis themselves. If not for the need to condition the girls to follow orders without question and erase certain (or complete) sets of memories, the Type 1's and Type 2's would likely live normal lifespans (even abnormally long ones, considering the amount of artificial organs).

@Kiskaloo wrote:Well it was stated one of the reasons the Type 2 areolder girls is that the SWA wants to develop prosthesis that can beused with adults so they need larger body types (though Petrushka isthe same height as Triela - 160cm). Also, it is the conditioningmedication and chemical brainwashing that eventually kills the brain,not the prosthesis themselves. If not for the need to condition thegirls to follow orders without question and erase certain (or complete)sets of memories, the Type 1's and Type 2's would likely live normallifespans (even abnormally long ones, considering the amount ofartificial organs).

but isn't the conditioning drug similar to the ones people who had organ transplants have to take? take a look at Triela in vol 10...

3rd Generation cyborgs at a glance:Seeingall the flaws of 2nd generation the doctors in the SWA rolled in the3rd generation of cyborgs. These cyborgs shows the rigid design of the1st generation but with a great tone down on their abilities throughspecialized abilities and not through generalized tasks. Instead ofmaking well rounded girls they made girls that are particularly good incertain things. This relieves the stress of overall training and stillmakes them useful.

wait does that make me the "father of the 3rd gen"?

IM NOT READY TO BE A DADDY!!!

just kidding, anyway my take of the 3rd gen pretty much covers these roles

-specialization -less conditioning (since they need less work)-longer life span (due to less work)-team work reliance-efficiency in terms of their specialization-mediocre work in stuff they don't specialize (but possible none theless)-less versatility (since they are specialists)

In my fic's 3rd gens play a support role with the 2nd gens and theremaining 1st gens, unless the job is soley a sniping job, aquaticinfiltration, no light job. then a 3rd gen can work alone.

in short they have the skill and resilience of the 1st gen, and thelong lifespan of the 2nd.... i think that's pretty much what the SWAwanted.

well let's see, here are the reasons that i made that showed that the 2nd gens are a big mistake

Petrushka- being obsesed with Sandro (well this would work both ways since this is HIS fault)Ella- extremely bitchy and only follows orders to live...Mina- rendered delierious by the conditioning drug...Mina: PEEKO IS REAL!!!

so the 3rd gen is suppose to go back to the old obedient and sturdy 1st gens but still live as long as the 2nd gens

note: even though 3rd gens are 'specialists' it still up to the handler how they would be trained. Fei- is still a very effective room cleaner since she can "feel" all the people in the room that she just entered, whether the lights were on or notSophia- even though she was meant for the water, remains to be a very formidable opponent in hand-to-hand combat since her water training forces her not to use a gun.Anica- can snipe you with a pistol... enough said

o yeah the wiki version of the type 3 seems too short, here's my submitted aplication to replace this, it's open to criticism

type 3 (aka The Specialist Generation) are of the SWA's Section 2 way of encompassing the mistakes made by both the Type 1 and Type 2 generation

Improvements to the Type 3 over Type 1 are:-Lessened need for conditioning-Less stress on the cyborg-Enhanced Sensory Inputs. (depending on specialization)-Enhanced Learning and long term memory.

Improvements to the Type 3 over Type 2 are:-Better Carbon Fiber Skeleton. (similar to Type 1)-Enhanced Sensory Inputs. (depending on specialization)-Enhanced Learning and long term memory.-Enhanced Reflexes and Strength over the Type 2.-Enhanced Internal Bullet Resistance.

Type 3 Cyborg Requirements:-Total Hands-on Instruction.-Total Handler Interaction and Control of the unit.-Bonding of Cyborg/Handler as a Fratello.-Between the ages 10-17.

Seeing all the flaws of 2nd generation the doctors in the SWA rolled in the 3rd generation of cyborgs. These cyborgs shows the rigid design of the1st generation but with a great tone down on their abilities through specialized abilities and not through generalized tasks. Instead of making well rounded girls they made girls that are particularly good in certain things. This relieves the stress of overall training and still makes them useful.

Failure of the Type 3 Cyborgs.

The failure of this generation will always ironicly their advantage, their specializations. The 3rd generation will always fall victim to bad planning on the hand of their handlers where they will be forced to work outside of their specialization on short notice and will be nearly incapacitated by their inability to cope in a situation they are not trained to handle.

On a different note, affection from the cyborg remains a problem as seen the example of Sophia (1st Amphibious cyborg) who has a dangerous affection to her handler.

On a social aspect, being a "specialist" also affects a 3rd gen's attachment to pears. Sophia apears arogant and spoiled, not wanting to work with other cyborgs (which is detremental to a 3rd gen). On the other hand Fei is continously offended (intentionally and unintentionally) by other members of the SWA for her inability to see.