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Rengifo has some potential, and with all that team control, I understood why they wanted him and, at the same time, we were going to shed salary. I agree, though, that giving them both Joc and Stripling seemed like too much. Controllable pitching for cheap is worth quite a bit, and I think Stripling for Rengifo felt more right. It was almost like we were giving them Joc for free, so I'm guessing the prospect or prospects we were going to get back from them were decent. And I'm guessing it could've even been a major league young pitcher, given that we now apparently don't think we need what they were offering since we got Graterol in this deal. I wonder if it could've been Patrick Sandoval that we may have obtained.

In any case, I still expect us to move Joc, and I like the idea of keeping Stripling, both for depth purposes and because if another trade target were to materialize during the season, you could put him into that type of a deal.

By the way, this is the type of filth that we're getting with Graterol. I'm really excited about this kid...

This is where giving Max Muncy that extension hurts us. He only makes $2.5M this year but counts $8.6M against the CBT.

Also sending $10M to the Twins for Maeda counts $4M this year against the CBT.

Joc makes $7.75M.
Stripling makes $2.1M

That's almost $10M.

Kike makes $5.9M.
AJ Pollock counts $12M against the CBT.

David Price counts $15M against the CBT. I wonder if they can move Price to another team?

That AJ Pollock signing didn't look so good at the time. Now, it really sucks. It would be nice to "trade" him for a bag of sunflower seeds, but there is only one team that appears to be willing to try the throwing-the-spaghetti-against-the-wall-to-see-what-sticks approach.

Pollock is such a terrible signing. I hope we're able to off-load him.

Will Friedman ever stop making the same mistakes?

Dude is just bad at free agent signings

McCarthy
Kazmir
Pollock
Joe Kelly

Who else?

I think he's at least better than Coletti who liked to get washed up Giants every year lol. But yeah, this is definitely the chink in his armor.
I have hope for Kelly to bounce back (and bring Price with him).

Pollock is such a terrible signing. I hope we're able to off-load him.

Will Friedman ever stop making the same mistakes?

Dude is just bad at free agent signings

McCarthy
Kazmir
Pollock
Joe Kelly

Who else?

I think he's at least better than Coletti who liked to get washed up Giants every year lol. But yeah, this is definitely the chink in his armor.
I have hope for Kelly to bounce back (and bring Price with him).

Yeah, I have hope that Kelly bounces back. But it's still a bad signing though. Seems that we overpaid for his playoff success.

The Dodgers have announced both trades. We'll need to drop 2 players from the 40-man roster. I'm thinking that Tyler White and Kyle Garlick are prime candidates to get put on waivers, at least one of them for sure. Barring a trade, I suppose._________________OK, no superteam, but we can still do this. Onward and upward.

The Dodgers have announced both trades. We'll need to drop 2 players from the 40-man roster. I'm thinking that Tyler White and Kyle Garlick are prime candidates to get put on waivers, at least one of them for sure. Barring a trade, I suppose.

If we do that, we must be really high on Luke Raley.

Also, how confident are we that Jimmy Nelson can bounce back and contribute anything this year?

The Dodgers have announced both trades. We'll need to drop 2 players from the 40-man roster. I'm thinking that Tyler White and Kyle Garlick are prime candidates to get put on waivers, at least one of them for sure. Barring a trade, I suppose.

If we do that, we must be really high on Luke Raley.

Also, how confident are we that Jimmy Nelson can bounce back and contribute anything this year?

I mean, it's a low-cost flier on Nelson. And yes, I would think that Raley has to be higher in the organizational pecking order than White or Garlick are. The Dodgers actually drafted Raley; he was sent to the Twins in the 2018 Brian Dozier deal. So now we have him back._________________OK, no superteam, but we can still do this. Onward and upward.

The Dodgers have announced both trades. We'll need to drop 2 players from the 40-man roster. I'm thinking that Tyler White and Kyle Garlick are prime candidates to get put on waivers, at least one of them for sure. Barring a trade, I suppose.

If we do that, we must be really high on Luke Raley.

Also, how confident are we that Jimmy Nelson can bounce back and contribute anything this year?

I mean, it's a low-cost flier on Nelson. And yes, I would think that Raley has to be higher in the organizational pecking order than White or Garlick are. The Dodgers actually drafted Raley; he was sent to the Twins in the 2018 Brian Dozier deal. So now we have him back.

Yeah you might be right. I thought Luke Raley was old at 25 years old. Then I looked up Garlick, who's 28 and White, who's 29

And Nelson might be a low-cost flier. But he's taking up a valuable 40 man roster spot.

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Okay, 'splain it to me, please. With the Betts trade reconfigured as a two-team deal, why did the Dodgers feel compelled to make the Maeda trade? Graterol has the injury history, AND the Dodgers sent a lot of money?

Okay, 'splain it to me, please. With the Betts trade reconfigured as a two-team deal, why did the Dodgers feel compelled to make the Maeda trade? Graterol has the injury history, AND the Dodgers sent a lot of money?

1) Maeda needed to be a starter to get paid.

2) The Dodgers might not have a spot for him. 4 spots are already locked up with Buehler, Kershaw, Price, and Urias. Maeda would be competing with Wood, May, Gonsolin, Stripling for the 5th spot. Trading him to Minny guarantees him a starter spot. The Dodgers were doing him a solid.

3) With Gonsolin, May, Gray and Urias knocking on the door, Maeda was going to lose his starter spot, if not this year then for sure starting next year

4) Maeda's a great reliever but only an ok starter

5) Graterol's injury concerns have to do with him not being able to be a starter. I don't think there are injury concerns with him being a reliever.

6) Graterol fulfills a bullpen need. We also got Luke Raley and the 67th pick. Graterol also still has 6 years of team control left.

7) Friedman is always looking to replenish the farm system. Since we traded Verdugo, Downs and Wong, Friedman wanted to get some prospects back.

We did that with Graderol, Raley, and the 67th pick in this upcoming draft.

8) Sending out $10M for Maeda is offset by how little we have to pay Graderol for the next 3 years.

9) Last year, Maeda, after figuring his incentives, earned $8,525,000. This year, he counts $4M against our CBT. We want to get under the luxury tax threshold so that's why they moved him.

Okay, 'splain it to me, please. With the Betts trade reconfigured as a two-team deal, why did the Dodgers feel compelled to make the Maeda trade? Graterol has the injury history, AND the Dodgers sent a lot of money?

My take: they were looking to move Maeda due to the depth at starting pitcher. I'm sure there were also financial motivations due to David Price coming in. Of the SP's on the roster, Maeda was the most logical and easier to move because the Dodgers weren't going to dump any of their young, cost-controlled guys.

It wouldn't also be far fetched that Maeda simply wanted to move on where he would be a full-time starter rather than going in and out of the rotation like he had been the last few seasons.

Okay, 'splain it to me, please. With the Betts trade reconfigured as a two-team deal, why did the Dodgers feel compelled to make the Maeda trade? Graterol has the injury history, AND the Dodgers sent a lot of money?

My take: they were looking to move Maeda due to the depth at starting pitcher. I'm sure there were also financial motivations due to David Price coming in. Of the SP's on the roster, Maeda was the most logical and easier to move because the Dodgers weren't going to dump any of their young, cost-controlled guys.

It wouldn't also be far fetched that Maeda simply wanted to move on where he would be a full-time starter rather than going in and out of the rotation like he had been the last few seasons.

Maeda was no longer happy here. We kept jerking him around between the rotation and the bullpen and he didn't like it. And as others have noted, we have a lot of depth there and it was a way to save some money. And Graterol really has a chance to be a fantastic reliever. Considering that we got back Graterol, Raley (a guy we once drafted), and the 67th pick, I can totally see why we made the move. I was half-expecting a Maeda trade this offseason._________________OK, no superteam, but we can still do this. Onward and upward.

Joc to Oak or Cleveland is my feel, can play all 3 outfield and DH. Sucks because we can't afford both him and Pollack, we could had the best outfield defense and most power in the modern era._________________MAMBA OUT

Joc to Oak or Cleveland is my feel, can play all 3 outfield and DH. Sucks because we can't afford both him and Pollack, we could had the best outfield defense and most power in the modern era.

If we’re going all in this year, I don’t know why we can’t afford both.

1) We’re estimated to be $13M over the luxury tax line. To get under, we’d need to get rid of Joc + Kike w/o taking back any salary

2) If we’re hell bent on not going over the luxury tax, that means we’ll be handcuffed this year at the trade deadline. We’ve always been active at the trade deadline.

3) Our estimated luxury tax bill for this year is only ~$2M+

4) We can reset next year if we go over this year.

5) Pollock is injury prone. Joc is not

6) Pollock struggled in the playoffs. Joc does not

7) Joc mashes righties. Pollock does not.

8) The Pollock signing was a mistake. No need to make it worse by giving Joc away.

9) I wonder if there’s any way to move Pollock by eating salary? Even eating 1/2 of it like Boston did with Price?

Here’s a very good comment on reddit:

Quote:

lugeadroit:LA2: Los Angeles Dodgers2h
I hope they can find a way to keep both. Joc is amazing against right-handing pitching, hitting a team-best 38 HRs against righties. Pollock is amazing against left-handed pitching, hitting .323 with a .906 OPS against lefties.

Joc was horrible against lefties (.224 BA, .505 OPS), and Pollock was almost as bad against righties (.239 BA, .743 OPS). They can make each other better, with Pederson getting the bulk of the starts against right handers in a way that will help keep Pollock healthy all season long.

Together, they are a match made in heaven. Joc’s low arbitration salary helps to compensate for Pollock’s unmovable salary. Together, they would form one of the best left fielders in the league. Peder-lock, if you will.