TuteTibiImperes:FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.

If that happens, think Zimmerman should:

1) GET ANGRY - OUTRAGED at the idea that ANY "creepy-ass cracker hunter" might be looking at him "funny"2) RUN (so as not to look suspicious)3) HIDE (so he can see what that "creepy-ass cracker hunter" is up to4) JUMP OUT AND CONFRONT the "creepy-ass cracker hunter"5) PUNCH the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" in the nose, knocking him down6) POUNCE on top of the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" banging his head on concrete, if possible7) PUMMEL the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" mercilessly, as the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" cries for help8) SMOTHER the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" to try to keep him from screaming9) IGNORE concerned neighbors when they tell him to stop, and that they're calling police, AND10) DIE when the "creepy-ass cracker hunter" pulls a concealed weapon and blasts Zimmerman in the chest

Because that's what harmless, innocent people (like Trayvon) do when they see someone eying them with suspicion, right?

Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.

Sofa_king_kewl:This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.

sheep snorter:Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.[i.imgur.com image 388x356]

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin is dead because he and other black boys and men like him are not seen as a person, but a problem," the Rev. Dr. Raphael G. Warnock, the senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, told his congregation on Sunday morning. In an interview afterward, Dr. Warnock put the killing in the context of a month in which the Supreme Court voted 5-4 to, in effect, gut the Voting Rights Act".

"The last few weeks have been pivotal to the consciousness of black America," he said. "Black men have been stigmatized. We've become a stigmatized mascot for social misery and the canvas on which America projects all of its problems."

[FURTHER DOWN OBAMA CHIMES IN TO FAN THE FLAMES WITH PREDICTABLE POLITICAL POSTURING]

QUOTE:

"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy," the president said in a statement issued by the White House. "Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.

[Did the POTUS just imply that the verdict was unjust?]

[...]

[Obama continues]

"We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin."

END QUOTE

Well, it would certainly APPEAR that Mr. Obama is implying that everyone should remain calm, and RESPECT the jury's decision (even if it WAS "racist"), AND THEN, without missing a beat, Obama goes on to BLAME THE GUN(and the white debbil who used it, and got off because "racism", of course).

So here we have leaders of the "Black Community" (including the Race-Baiter in Chief) bemoaning (by implication) the "fact" that blacks in the US suffer (largely) because they are beaten, "profiled", targeted and victimized by the (WHITE) judicial system, victims of the Institutional Racism that called this case to our attention to begin with.

Remember that?

The ONLY reason that this case gained national attention was the accusation that the Sanford Police Dept. and Prosecutor's Office failed to charge Zimmerman with a crime. And they held fast to their decision - even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure from the Professional Race-Baiters (Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, etc), from Florida's governor, EVEN from Obama himself, who charged US Attorney General Eric Holder with conducting a "special investigation" into the allegations of Institutional Racism in Sanford, Florida.

But still, the Sanford officials REFUSED to budge: They maintained that they declined to press charges because, after reviewing the available evidence, interviewing witnesses, interrogating Zimmerman, and reviewing the reports of forensic and medical evidence, they concluded that there was not sufficient evidence that Zimmerman could be successfully prosecuted.

But the race-baiters and the lying media kept the pressure on, until the Sanford Police Chief was forced to resign in the ensuing brouhaha.

Finally, frustrated at the insolence of the "racist" Sanford officials, the Governor of Florida appointed a "Special Prosecutor" who had ONE JOB: Prosecute George Zimmerman.

And prosecute they did. They assembled a "crack" team of hard-core "winners" who, being "good prosecutors", cared about ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY: Winning the case. Facts? Truth? These are mere inconveniences - hurdles to be overcome by whatever devious means necessary. And considering the fact that they were tasked with the equivalent of building the Great Pyramid with Play-Doh, they must be applauded for their efforts - their sleazy, deceptive, slimy, underhanded efforts.

Unfortunately for these Judicial Jesters, once the court was in session, their "case" quickly began to unravel, as the prosecution's OWN star witnesses provided testimony that could ONLY be construed to support the position of the defense: Patrol officers, supervisors, detectives, dispatchers, crime scene experts, doctors, medical examiners, the neighbors who were eye and ear witnesses to the altercation, even Trayvon Martin's friend who spoke with him on the phone during those last crucial minutes - all of these witnesses for the PROSECUTION gave testimony that supported the DEFENSE.

And if that weren't enough, the physical and documentary evidence ALSO favored the Defense position, and the reason that the Sanford PD declined to press charges soon became clear: THEY HAD NO CASE.

After the first few days of trial proceedings, it became abundantly clear that the entire trial was a farce - a facade fabricated in an effort to placate the RACIAL TENSION AND RAGE that had been created NOT by the incident itself, but by the Professional Race-Baiters, the lying, deceptive grandstanding media, and the sleazy politicians who were using this unfortunate incident as a POLITICAL TOOL.

Following extended deliberations, the jury returned a verdict last night: NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS, and the man who was not initially charged by the Sanford PD was allowed to walk free - to live in fear of vigilante retribution for as long as he is able to evade those who would target him.

With the verdict came the vindication of the accused - not only George Zimmerman, but the Sanford PD and Prosecutors office, and all others who REFUSED to bow to the extreme pressure put on them by sleazy politicians, the media and the public, and STOOD THEIR GROUND in the name of justice.

These people are true heroes of conscience and of character, and should be applauded by each and every person who values justice, integrity and the rule of law.

And what of the race-baiters, media pundits and politicians who tried to railroad George Zimmerman to serve their own nefarious ends? Are they apologizing? Apologizing to the man who was wrongfully accused and should never have been brought to trial? Are they apologizing to the Sanford officials that they viciously accused of Institutional Racism for refusing to press charges in spite of political pressure that bore down on them from the White House itself?

NO. Instead we see that they are TURNING UP THE VOLUME OF THEIR RHETORIC, whining that justice was NOT served, using this case and the jury's verdict as FURTHER "evidence" that the entire justice system is "racist"!

In other words they continue to do what they do best: Divide us as a nation by creating inter-group tension, strife and hatred, AND to further specific political goals, such as neutering the Bill Of Rights. We see the Provocateur In Chief immediately seizing this issue as an opportunity to "justify" the gun-grabbing ambitions of he and his fellow Authoritarians and would-be oligarchs - Republican and Democrat alike.

Those that foisted this farce on the American people owe an apology - not only to George Zimmerman and the Sanford officials, but to ALL Americans - for attempting to hoodwink and divide us for the sake of furthering their own selfish and sinister political agendas.

But don't hold your breath. No apologies will be forthcoming.

The best thing that we can do, as a people, is to learn a lesson as to how those in power - politicians, media, agent provocateurs - work to manipulate us - TO TURN US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER - because a nation that is preoccupied with infighting between groups is much easier to control and to rule.

I love the fact that people on the internet have exaggerated, overstated, and flat out imagined evidence and events that never existed in the altercation, got all hyped up, and now expect the world to hate Zimmerman based on it. fark that.

There wasn't enough evidence to support a conviction. There wasn't enough evidence to even disprove a supposed liar's account, and a fair bit of evidence that supported it.

Also, seriously? "he got out of his car, this proves that he was intent to murder Trayvon"? What the hell? Seriously, if that's your idea of solid proof of anything, then god help anyone stuck with you as a juror. You people make me sick. I don't want to see a man walk free that is guilty, but I want to see the justice system stick with what it can prove with evidence. We're not some third world country where we can lynch a man because we think he did something. You got evidence? prove it. Otherwise, shut the fark up.

As a lifelong fan of irony I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting) will now have to spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

I get that, It works for me.

That carefully noted, in summing this thing up here Zimmerman's life as he knew it is over, Trayvon's life is over, period, and racial tensions have been heightened yet again. It's a lose/lose./lose thing. So much fail to consider here.

Tell me, would any of this had happened had Zimmerman simply stayed in his truck and waited for the police, whom he had called and were on their way?We have neighborhood watch where I live, and that is what they do. They carry no weapons. They have a flashlight and a cellphone. They are simply living smart cameras that watch what goes on in the neighborhood, hence the name "neighborhood watch". They do not confront, they do not question, and most of all, they do not attempt to apprehend. They observe and report, that is all.

Would it have been that difficult for this two time police department reject and robocop wannabe to do just that? Wait in the truck for the cops? That's where the stupid is, and your choice to defend this waste of human skin says much about you.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

It's not just a matter of the standard of proof being lower, you can be liable for civil damages without being criminally liable.

If you cause someone's death unintentionally you may not be guilty of a crime, but you still caused their death. Just because you don't deserve prison doesn't mean that the family doesn't deserve compensation for the death.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

Iowan73:The point I was making was while I don't think Zimmerman should have been convicted of murder, the whole situation could easily have been avoided. He didn't have to follow Martin, he chose to. He is partially responsible for what happened.

TM could have been aborted, or not kicked out of school. The guy at 7-11 checked him out WAAAAAY to fast. GZ was running 2 minutes late on his way to Target.

No. None of them or getting out of his car either. None of these things have known risk factors.

That hindsight game is flawed, given that it's 20/20, is retarded. You could cite one of a million things and they've all got the same relevance. GZ got out, began following. Not illegal, or even risky since te thought TM had run, Rachel even corroborates that he did run for a moment, she even claimed that TM said he'd lost him. She also relayed TM's reluctance to run, btw, despite her urging. Even Rachel wasn't that stupid, and that's saying a LOT.

Her testimony, while problematic at times for the defense, also made it clear that TM decided he wouldn't run far, indeed, he stopped very shortly after he lost GZ, and lurked for 4 minutes or so.

GZ walked into what ended up being a trap. You can't fault GZ for walking in the neighborhood he lived in any more than you can blame TM. TM however, began and continued a physical altercation, given the evidence of the injuries, without any credible provocation. Look up the laws on (nonviolent)provocation, they're pretty tough to bring into play. Merely following someone on a dark evening wouldn't fly in any courtroom, and imagining that GZ had set out with murderous intent requires a lot of creativity.

All that being said, that's what they mean when they say GZ had a legal right to be there, that's how it's codified in the laws. He was accosted with violence in a place he had a right to be, carry what he was carrying, and doing what he was doing.

You can fault him on some moral level, judge him for being stupid, whatever, but he was not criminally culpable, and that's what the jury rightly ruled in fairly short deliberations. I too feel that stupid people should be controlled or punished at times, but it's a fanciful notion and nothing more, of course it would be cruel and unusual.

That is the true liberal society. Sometimes stupid walks into violent, and as it happens, stupid won out in this case. There is no real demonstrable wrong doing except on the part of the violent party. The guy who was attempting to violate another's rights forfeited his life by the existance of a firearm, society's great equalizer(why do you think TM was trying to buy one of his own? give you a matter of weeks if he'd gotten one until he was another statistical criminal who really did shoot someone out of spite).

Regardless of your sadness, Darwin wins, and so does justice. It's not survival of the fittest anymore, it's survival of the smartest. GZ knew his limits and ensured he wouldn't be a victim by getting a CCW, and as it turned out, for him it was a great idea. No Limit N....Treyvon didn't know his limits, quite obviously thought he didn't have any, and paid the price.

This puts me in mind of all of the anti-bullying movement, that died out pretty quick after this trial really hit the news. Was it Chicago where a few punks beat the shiat out of someone and no one intervened or called the cops in time not long ago? Wherever, violence is something this country has always had a problem with, specifically because No Limit N...people, think they can get away with being violent assholes.

That's the tragedy here, that's the sickness in this case, society's passive permissive behavior, the way we overlook our own flaws and those of our youth. It's pretty farking disgusting really. The kid who shot up the theater, precious snowflake that he was his mother let him have access to guns, she paid the ultimate price herself for being monumentally stupid, but Darwin may still win because the kid will probably rot in prison until the inmates kill him.

That is the problem, far and above racism or homophobia in this country, the sickening lack of parenting ability in this country. The entitled and immortal youth that we more or less ignore because we're sick of their shiat. Hell, most adults don't see it because they're spoiled and entitled themselves, they just wonder, "why me?" when shiat goes wrong, and then rationalize it away as someone elses fault.

You know that's what TM's parent's are still doing. They certainly can't admit anymore that they thought it was just a fight that got out of hand(and the mother did at first, with a stately sorrow, until she was told otherwise by that racist Crump). Now, when the jury finds GZ not guilty because her son was a punk, THIS is the darkest hour, not when her son actually died because he was a punk, now it's all furious anger and vengeance. And father perjury who also had to recant something he said, whipped into a frenzy by the race baiting family lawyer. farking disgusting, no wonder he was a farked up kid with a boat-load of criminal tendencies, he was raised by gullible assholes.

It's not genetic, but it can sure run along family lines in that sense, this is a problem that spans all races and cultures. It only takes a couple of idiots to create a whole lot more, until it gets so bad Darwin absolutely has to put his foot down.

Anyhow, yeah. Be sad that a kid died, I am myself, but you're not helping by trying to pin it on the sword he fell on, you should blame the society that turned a blind eye to such bad behavior. The only way to fix our problems is to face the (figurative)demon's themselves. Not bury our head in the sand and pretend it's all the fault of the one man who was worried about his neighborhood.

Coorelation =\= Causation.

Cause and Effect, GZ did what he did because he was attacked. He was attacked because TM was the poster child for a very poorly raised near adult who was destined for trouble. If it wasn't GZ, it would have been something else making that boy a statistic, he'd been on that path for a long while. The uncovered texts on his phone someone actually warned him to stop fighting[as it was a lifestyle thing]. How prophetic was that?

parasol:HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.

This has been covered before - neighborhood watch members do NOT have a "right" OR a "duty" to ACT.They are, in fact, strongly, and repeatedly, told this is a BAD idea.Mr Zimmerman had every right to carry a weapon, etc - but please do not confuse his rights as a neighborhood watch member.

This. In fact, they will tell you in a HCP class that you have extra responsibility to avoid inciting ANY conflict at all. Including to walk away from someone saying mean things about you without saying a word back if you're armed.

iq_in_binary:Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

But he only confronted Treyvon BECAUSE he had the gun to bolster his self-esteem. If he hadn't had the gun his butt woulda stayed where the 911 operator told him to stay! He was armed so he felt like a bad ass and got out and proceeded to escalate the situation to where he was scared and shot out of fear...

Elegy:The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.

pick fights with people because he knows he's too much of a pussy to win.

/FTFY

If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.

iq_in_binary:ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.[t2.gstatic.com image 485x271]

The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself.

I think my head just asploded. That is one of the most asinine things I have ever read.

stiletto_the_wise:Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.

Zimmerman was charged with murder. Here's how murder was explained to me when I became a security guard (by a former cop who was my trainer):

If you are working on a construction site on some scaffolding and you sit you tool box down on the scaffolding, it breaks and the tool box falls and kills someone, that's negligence.

If you are on the scaffolding, you are told not to sit your tool box onto the scaffolding because the wood can not support the heavy tool box, and you do it anyways, and the tool box kills someone, that's manslaughter.

If you climb that scaffolding with a rifle and start killing people, that's murder.

Zimmerman didn't intend to end that kid's life. So that rules out murder. Had the state gone for manslaughter, it would have been different, and odds are he would have been convicted.

Oh_Enough_Already:So now that this trial is over, will most Farkers go back to not giving a shiat about the dozens of black teens killed every day in America?

Yeah but that is black on black violence so it doesn't matter. Also those victims don't have bags of skittles either. When a hispanic man kills a black teen, THEN it is time to call him white and make it all about race and get angry.

clowncar on fire:Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things. Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant. I work. Who has time for that tripe. I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened. So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?

The kid was walking down the street being black.

I once took this call when I was an emergency dispatcher. The call went something like this:"Bel-Air Patrol, what's your emergency?""There's a black man walking down Beverly Blvd., and I want you to send someone!"".....Okay. What's he doing?""He's walking down the sidewalk! How soon can your officer be here?""Uh.....Is he in your yard?""No! He's just walking down the street!""Is he trash picking?" (something we'd been having trouble with at that time)"No!""Okay, how is he dressed?""He's wearing jeans and a t-shirt! I want an officer here right away!""Um, all right, I'll let the officer in the area know. Did you want contact?""No! Just get someone here right away!" (click)

If my caller had been a Hispanic wannabe cop instead of a piss-ass white suburbanite, he might have gone out and confronted the black man walking down Beverly Blvd., but luckily, he didn't; and I did not notify my guard in the area, who also, IIRC was black.

Zimmerman thought it was sufficiently suspicious that a black person would be in his neighborhood at that hour and he wanted (instead of my caller) to do something about this black person, rather than calling the cops who would stop Martin, find out he was just looking for his girlfriend and let him go. Zimmerman wanted to be Charles Bronson in "Death Wish" + Dirty Harry; and if Martin really had been the badass thug everyone seems to think he was, Zimmerman would have been deader than shiat when Martin pulled out his own gun and capped his ass. Instead, Zimmerman got the ass-whipping he so richly deserved, and probably really was in genuine fear of his life when he fired.

Now if Martin had been a little LESS of a thug, he would have just stopped when confronted by Zimmerman, told his dim-witted girlfriend to call the cops herself, and waited for them to show up; but he was a kid and playing his own game of quien es mas macho; sadly, he lost. There are no winners in this scenario.

you have a daughter.. she has racy.. some may say slutty.. pictures of herself on her phone. she gets raped.. in the trial the defense of the rapist uses the pictures on her phone to cite she had been a whorish slut and therefore the rapist committed no crime.

how is that any different then the precedent set by the more red colored neck members of the fark crowd who think pictures of a teenager emulating the people society gives them as role models.. is justification for their death at the hands of a pathetic fat wanna be cop.

both sides of this argument are pretty damn pathetic in their rhetoric, but those who are trying to turn this into justification to shoot an unarmed teen who you think looks dangerous to you... i hope karma comes and rapes your daughters or your mothers , or better yet bends you over and ass rapes you and justifies it by pointing out fark posts you've made that clearly prove your an attention seeking whore who deserves the ass raping.

Since you're either trolling or you are dumb enough to actually believe this, in which case you couldn't process a coherent response, I'll just say that if I had a daughter who kept racy pictures of herself on her phone, she wouldn't have a phone (and I would be questioning my parenting up to that point)

tenpoundsofcheese:Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.

what did he do that was immoral?How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?

He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.

Add in the fact that he lied about the money he had received from donors for his legal defense, the fact that he chose to give his interview to a right-wing talking head, and the fact that he stated "farking punks, they always get away with it" in regards to Trayvon despite having no way of knowing whether or not Trayvon was actually a thief...

Well, it all adds up to one loathsome individual. A rightfully not guilty due to lack of evidence, loathsome individual.

stiletto_the_wise:Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.

Since you asked, okay.

Just because you think somebody is following you does not give you the right to ambush them and start being them up. Instead of running your mouth and uttering racial epithets to your girlfriend you could... Hang up the phone and call the cops.

When somebody is on top of you beating you up and hitting your head against the ground may I ask what the appropriate level of force to defend yourself is? I realize that people got hung up in the BS story that he just walked up and shot somebody in cold blood but the facts and evidence supported precisely what he said... That Martin was on top of him, pummeling him, and that Zimmerman shot him in self defense.

It was almost a riot to read here on Fark. First it was a white guy just walked up and shot a black kid. Okay, it was actually a 'white hispanic' guy. The kid attacked him? This was called a lie. Oh wait, pictures of his injuries. Well um... it's still Zimmerman's fault SOMEHOW... Right? Come on right?

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

It's not just a matter of the standard of proof being lower, you can be liable for civil damages without being criminally liable.

If you cause someone's death unintentionally you may not be guilty of a crime, but you still caused their death. Just because you don't deserve prison doesn't mean that the family doesn't deserve compensation for the death.

In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell. Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker. Zimmerman saw no crime in progress. He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin. The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

DoomPaul:He has a legal right to walk in his neighborhood and ask someone a question.

1. He was driving around in his truck.2. He obviously felt that the situation (in his tiny mind) was serious enough to call the police3. This is not "walking around the neighborhood and asking someone a question".4. Why would he (or you) even do some dumb sh*t like this?5. Who appointed you neighborhood god?6. If you "legally" walked up to me and "asked me a question", I would "legally" tell you you to f*ck off, unless you were wearing a badge, gun and ID.

Oh look another Fark headline bashing Zimmerman. Am I the only Farker getting extremely tired of the one sided views that seem to be getting greenlighted? keep it up mods and pretty soon you won't have to worry about these heated discussions after people like me just get fed up with it and seek this type of entertainment on a different site.

legion_of_doo:DoomPaul: He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.

Maybe not, but this thread has plenty of them who think vigilante justice should be applied to GZ.

Speaking only for myself I would have been happy were Zimmerman found guilty, but he wasn't. I think that if I want to consider myself a decent human being, the only thing I can do is wish him peace. If I think vigilante "justice" has no place in civilized society, which I do, I can't cheer would-be vigilantes wishing to harm Zimmerman, and I don't.

If you're looking for a self-indulgent Team-Zimmerman-good-team-Martin-bad narrative to entertain yourself with, or its opposite, go right ahead if you wish, but I really think it's never, ever quite that cut and dried.

DoomPaul:He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

Elegy:So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.

The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine. This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.

If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.

rewind2846:Elegy: The fact that Zimmerman could not physically protect himself means that Zimmerman should not carry a gun so he can protect himself. pick fights with people because he knows he's too much of a pussy to win.

/FTFY

If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.

So because you decide to carry a gun on your person and follow all acceptable laws in doing so, you should forfeit all rights to leave your home, forever.

ferretman:Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

Actually I wouldn't be such a dumbass to put myself in that position. Rational human beings call the cops on suspicious people in hoodies. Not follow them around with a gun in their pocket. The coont killed a kid because he couldn't resist playing mall cop.

Is it so hard to clench your spinchter, sit your ass in the car and wait for the real cops to show up?

Sofa_king_kewl:This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

The most interesting part of this trial for me was that I was able to observe fark regulars who normally deny things like science and facts applying the same exact faulty logic to this case. Id never bothered to keep track of various peoples names and opinions before.... now I've got hoards marked/flagged for easier discussions in the future.

Mr. Breeze:I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.

Execution doesn't need a "convict", genius. Innocent people are executed by those who choose to do them harm all the time. The fact that you choose to call this unarmed murdered young man such a thing shows your obvious bias, lack of sense, and general assholiness.

He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.

doyner:Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.

Intelligent argument is for self-liberals, armchair lawyers, and plain old assholes. Dimwitted conservatives, racists, and high school dropouts? Not so much.

SevenizGud:Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation. he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

yagottabefarkinkiddinme:We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

sheep snorter:Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.[i.imgur.com image 388x356]

Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

Or maybe Drew is just allowing inflammatory shiat to be posted because it generates page views.

We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

PsiChick:HBK: PsiChick: Re-read what I posted, please. No, Martin was not caught from behind. That does not mean the situation was not highly threatening, threatening enough so Martin was damn well justified in defending himself. As I said, America's streets are not safe. The law recognizes that self-defense requires a dangerous situation...and guess what this was.

A version created wholly by your imagination?

Tell you what, if some random guy ever decides to follow you in the middle of the night, we'll be sure to let the cops know when they find you that you thought you weren't allowed to fight back until the other guy did something.

I dont think you understand the meanings of word you use.

Follow you =/= fightingfight back = defending against a fightdid something = fighting

If someone is following you, only, then you cannot fight back -you can only fight first.If someone is fighting you then you are defending yourself if you fight back.

amiable:Lol at all the Zimmerman fluffers citing the "evidence" as the reason for his acquittal. It has much more to do with Florida's mind-numbingly insane self-defense laws which place the burden of proof on the state to show that self defense didn't occur. In practically every other state and country with a self defense statute, self-defense is an affirmative defense, where the burden lies on the defendant to show that he or she acted in self-defense.

This ruling has basically given the greenlight to every yahoo in Florida to shoot someone in private and claim they "were in fear for their life." Protip: I would not try that while being black.

If by "practically every other state" you mean Ohio and only Ohio, then yes.

"In 49 of the 50 states, once the defense introducing any evidence of possible self-defense, the prosecution must disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. "

Semantic Warrior:Look, I understand in criminal trials that burden of proof falls on the prosecution, not the defendant. However, in stand-your-ground cases, there should be some responsibility of proof on the defendant. What stops me from verbally inviting someone into my house and then shooting them, claiming they intruded? Hell, what stops me from shooting a random pedestrian on a deserted street and then claiming that they attacked me?

1st, this wasn't a "stand your ground" case.2nd, If you are the type of person who would shoot someone in cold blood, then pretend it was self defense, you would likely get caught by the physical evidence because you are not very smart. If you were a smart felon, you wouldn't need a self defense claim because you wouldn't ever be linked to the killing.

Only because you leave out the ground and pound that qualified this case for justified use of force.

If sexes and colors are the only differences, then the answers are all yes. Anyone one who is victimized and placed within fear of life and limb, as a rational person would be due to violence visited upon them, can use self defense.

Taylor Mental:Amos Quito: Taylor Mental: For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see.

IS THAT SO?

Then why, pray tell, are all of the race-baiters (including Oblama) continuing to harp even after Zimmerman AND the Sanford PD and prosecutors were EXONERATED with that pesky "NOT GUILTY" verdict???

Taylor Mental: As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.

Sadly, the same can be said for "Baby Tray": Live like a thug, die from a slug.

Following this tragic event, I would hope that *some folks* will think twice before going ape-shiat on what *appears* to be a "soft target".

One can dream, no?

Grow the fark up. You and your circle jerk crowd have been nothing but a bunch of incessant pain in the asses since this trial started.

And here I thought you'd embraced logic, rationality and reason the other night. What a disappointment you turned out to be.

I guess I should learn to lower my expectations.

Taylor Mental:Injecting Obama, how freaking stupid can you be?

Injecting Obama? Me?

The Race-Baiter In Chief threw HIMSELF into the melee when he made that intentionally LOADED comment: "If I had a son..."

This whole issue has little to do with GZ, TM, or what happened that night, and EVERYTHING to do with asshat RACE BAITERS like Sharpton, Jackson AND OBAMA trying to stir up interracial strife for political advantage: DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Don't you get it?

There were +- 6,000 murders last year, about 10% were interracial, and as always, blacks murdered whites at TWICE the rate that whites murdered blacks.

Is this issue REALLY about the drama that unfolded one rainy evening in Florida when two idiots met and destroyed each other lives?

Or is this about social engineering -intentionally creating strife, division, hatred and distrust between different segments of the population?

Your race-baiting boys are doing all they can to create division and strife - to DIVIDE THE PEOPLE AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. Why? Because idiots who are distracted by infighting amongst themselves are OBLIVIOUS to the REAL ENEMY - bastards that want to destroy the middle class, and turn this into a feudal society.

Now, I realize that all this is WAY over your thick little head at the moment, but one day that 5 watt bulb nestled deep within your skull will finally light up, and you will have a classic Aha! moment.

Not that it will do any good at that point, because by then the only "freedom" you have will be to say "yes master", and the only possessions you own will be your shackles and leg-irons.

You're being played for a fool. Does that mean you deserve the government you get?

MelGoesOnTour:cegorach: So one day soon, a large black man is going to spot Zimmerman on the street at night, follow him, then get right up in his face, acting aggressively.

Zimmerman's hand moves near his jacket, black guy shoots him dead.

Given it's common knowledge Zimmerman carries a weapon and has used it to kill, twitching so much as finger towards a carry location is enough justification to put the black gentlemen in fear of death or serious bodily harm.

He then walks a free man following a fair and equal trial.

That's how this will play out, right?

In other news, America is a nation sickeningly addicted to firearms. Seek help.

You live in Australia. Trust me, the rest of the world is glad to not have to deal with you inbred criminal types.

Actually the rest of the world prefers us to you obese, aggressive, torture-happy gun-worshippers with your sad hypocritical whining about your holy founding fathers and their FREEDOMZ.

Except for third world warlords, they think you guys are cool in a 'why do these idiots keep giving us money to kill people oh well' kind of way.

omeganuepsilon:Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight.

Point?

You do know assault and battery, are crimes, right?http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that? Internet Tough Guy syndrome? He was a fight ender though. I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.

Taylor Mental:ununcle: Lynch mobs don't use torches and rope anymore. They use cell phones, I pods and politics. You're right about one thing though,, their trying to get even. The OJ verdict, the central park wilding, flash mobs, the rash of hate crime litigation against anyone who doesn't cow-toe to the PC police, demonstrates in spades every farking day,week, month and year since forced integration that it's more about "payback" then it is about this farking rainbow of devirstity y'all try to preach. So grasp this. If you raise your farking 17 year old 6 foot tall football playing craka hating kid to pummel me,,,, he might wind up dead.

Dude, you're scared to death of them darkies, aren't you?

I respect a racist that will say right up front he hates nubians way more than these cowards and so-called libartarians and tea baggers who play the "I know you are but what am" race card bullshiat. You got balls and conviction. Carry on, brutha.

Ahh,, The last bastion of the intellectual coward. Attach a "-phobia" or "-ism" to the offending idealism.

ununcle: Lynch mobs don't use torches and rope anymore. They use cell phones, I pods and politics. You're right about one thing though,, their trying to get even. The OJ verdict, the central park wilding, flash mobs, the rash of hate crime litigation against anyone who doesn't cow-toe to the PC police, demonstrates in spades every farking day,week, month and year since forced integration that it's more about "payback" then it is about this farking rainbow of devirstity y'all try to preach. So grasp this. If you raise your farking 17 year old 6 foot tall football playing craka hating kid to pummel me,,,, he might wind up dead.

Dude, you're scared to death of them darkies, aren't you?

I respect a racist that will say right up front he hates nubians way more than these cowards and so-called libartarians and tea baggers who play the "I know you are but what am" race card bullshiat. You got balls and conviction. Carry on, brutha.

There didn't need to be any wounds, only that a reasonable person in those circumstances would fear for their body or even life. In example, you've apparently suffered, and indeed, are still suffering from, life lasting harm to the cranial region.

Newsflash: Getting your head beat in does not make you a cranial injury expert, any more than a mother is automatically a pediatrician expert or getting raped makes you a gynecological expert.

Abuse Liability:Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: and yet it doesn't appear as though his lawyers are worried at all. Wonder why that is?

I'm sure they would say something to let you know they lacked confidence, like maybe an "OMG, they're suing us!" Would it make you feel better if they said that?

Would you like to make another wager for TF? Didn't you just lose one to Elegy or someone?

Another wager? I never made the first. But, if you're referring to your circle jerking buddy who put me on ignore because he's the same sort of coward as you and Zimmerman then your question speaks for itself.

The Great EZE:Elegy: I would agree that there are problems of racial bias in the judicial system in general, but I would argue strenously that they do not apply to the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman had a clear claim of self-defense, and clear evidence to prove that claim. It wasn't a matter of the jury not caring about the death of a black teenager, except to the idiots that are still beating that drum. The evidence was there for everyone to see, including the jury.

This is not the civil rights case you are looking for. Sorry. It's just not.

How clear can Zimmerman's claim of self-defense be with ambiguous eyewitnesses and a victim too dead to tell his side of the story? He and his friends basically had a clear path to create whatever self-defense story can get him off. Frankly, if he would've gotten convicted his lawyers should have been immediately banished to careers of ice road trucking.

Ambiguous witnesses? See my above post. John Good was the one witness that saw the fight itself, and testified definitively that Martin was on top of Zimmerman engaged in "ground and pound."

amiable:Elegy: amiable: Because the Roderick Scott case was an entirely different set of circumstances where the white kid in question was on his property breaking into his car at the time (he didn't chase him anywhere or stalk him he just walked outside and told them to leave).

The argument was that the justice system doesn't care about dead black teens as it does dead white teens. Do try to keep up.

No, the argument is that had the races been reversed, you would have seen a different outcome, which the case you cited proves nicely (the African american, under much more meritorious circumstances and in a far more liberal state was still immediately arrested).

Really? Could you list the eyewitness's that corroborated George Zimmerman's story? I'll wait.

If you are going to comment on the trial, at least have some basic knowledge of what occurred.

John Good, the only witness that saw the fight itself and who was neigh unimpeachable on the stand.

Done in one. I was here watching the trial everyday. Funny I didn't see you here.

Taylor Mental:tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?Someone else (his wife) mis-stated their finances to the court, not George.

This is a prime example of the Zimmerman fanbois buying into all his lies. He had some $130,000 in his bank account. Then his wife transferred it all out to his sister's and her account in three separate transactions afterZimmerman told her in coded language how to do it. It's all on tape.

It's just more evidence of his manipulation of law enforcement and the judicial system his right wing, gun-loving supporters believe, while simultaneously arguing every stupid thing that points to his culpability in Treyvon's death.

I don't know if Florida has conspiracy statute, but if they do now is the time to use it.

The man was up againt the same type of lynch mob that let OJ walk. What the fark did you expect him to do? Fork over every dime and hire a public defender? They needed that money to fight off the ridiculous amount of resources the race pimps had stacked against them. I'd be OK with Zimmerman being punished for that,, if we could agree to Jabba the slut going to jail for perjury, and the Martin parents donating their 2 million dollar settlement to charity. Otherwise,,,, Ha Ha!!!!

Florida justice system is on the line. It seems obvious that the arrest of George Zimmerman violated the Florida statues.776.012 Use of force in defense of person.-A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:(1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or(2)Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.History.-s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-

you have a daughter.. she has racy.. some may say slutty.. pictures of herself on her phone. she gets raped.. in the trial the defense of the rapist uses the pictures on her phone to cite she had been a whorish slut and therefore the rapist committed no crime.

how is that any different then the precedent set by the more red colored neck members of the fark crowd who think pictures of a teenager emulating the people society gives them as role models.. is justification for their death at the hands of a pathetic fat wanna be cop.

both sides of this argument are pretty damn pathetic in their rhetoric, but those who are trying to turn this into justification to shoot an unarmed teen who you think looks dangerous to you... i hope karma comes and rapes your daughters or your mothers , or better yet bends you over and ass rapes you and justifies it by pointing out fark posts you've made that clearly prove your an attention seeking whore who deserves the ass raping.

Well,, That's not racist hate speech at all. Nope,, Not one bit. Not the red neck thing, or the rape your mothers and daughters thing,,,, or the just plain "rape you up the arse" thing. Yeah,,, good thing you said "karma" instead of "my black ass" or someone might have thought that was racist.

tenpoundsofcheese:Where does it say that George lied to the court?Someone else (his wife) mis-stated their finances to the court, not George.

This is a prime example of the Zimmerman fanbois buying into all his lies. He had some $130,000 in his bank account. Then his wife transferred it all out to his sister's and her account in three separate transactions afterZimmerman told her in coded language how to do it. It's all on tape.

It's just more evidence of his manipulation of law enforcement and the judicial system his right wing, gun-loving supporters believe, while simultaneously arguing every stupid thing that points to his culpability in Treyvon's death.

I don't know if Florida has conspiracy statute, but if they do now is the time to use it.

You guys are still arguing with all the morons that never bothered to inform themselves? Yeah, I gave up on that a few threads ago and pretty much stick to snark now. That said, I suppose its good they get a thread where the overwhelming majority of morons can stroke each other's egos and bathe in the tears of alleged injustice. It had to be rough there for a while where people kept shoving logic and reason in their faces until they all cried and either came to the realization that their wasn't enough evidence to disprove it was self-defense or leave in a fiery ball of moderation.

dapharmer:you have a daughter.. she has racy.. some may say slutty.. pictures of herself on her phone. she gets raped.. in the trial the defense of the rapist uses the pictures on her phone to cite she had been a whorish slut and therefore the rapist committed no crime.

According to your logic, your daughter went down on the rapist and let him put it in her pooper before crying rape.

Why? Where were these passionate people when the actual evidence was being revealed and discussed? All I see now are speculation and misrepresentations of events that, at best, were openly discussed during the trial and, at worst, have been publicly available since charges were originally filed.

Why should anyone here respect a person who's continually deploying emotionally- and racially-charged rherotic and slogans for dramatic effect, and whose actual words reveal that they have zero familiarity with even the most basic details of the case?

In what way is that sort of person deserving of consideration or rebuttal? It rapidly becomes clear that a large number of people who have flocked to this discussion since the verdict are, at best, trolls, and at worst, the equivalent of proud low-information voters who passionately buy into the lies and slogans of their intellectual superiors and loudly shout down anyone who disagrees.

Representative of the unwashed masses:SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation. he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

This.

Also, I can't think of how many Farkers tell stories of stupid shiat they used to do, bad attitudes, crazy stunts, lives of crime and just sheer debauchery.

And that was before I was 21.

But I guess if you're 17, black and male there is no hope or chance that you will grow up, change - especially when you have parents who give a damn about you.

Trayvon may have been a teenage jerk. I can't really think of too many teenagers who aren't. But he was afraid of the guy following him and he had good right to be. He's dead. He stood up for himself and maybe thought he was protecting a younger child at home by not leading some idiot back to his house. And he's dead.

I know that I'm not the person I was at 17. I'm not even the person I was last year. George Zimmerman did play judge, jury and executioner and he snuffed out a life...no one knows who or what Trayvon Martin may have become...and now we never will.

This quote sounds bibilical, but it's not.

Not what thou art, not what thou hast been, beholdeth God with His merciful eye, but what thou wouldst be.

George Zimmerman looked at Trayvon Martin and decided he was nothing. George Zimmerman is not God.

you have a daughter.. she has racy.. some may say slutty.. pictures of herself on her phone. she gets raped.. in the trial the defense of the rapist uses the pictures on her phone to cite she had been a whorish slut and therefore the rapist committed no crime.

how is that any different then the precedent set by the more red colored neck members of the fark crowd who think pictures of a teenager emulating the people society gives them as role models.. is justification for their death at the hands of a pathetic fat wanna be cop.

both sides of this argument are pretty damn pathetic in their rhetoric, but those who are trying to turn this into justification to shoot an unarmed teen who you think looks dangerous to you... i hope karma comes and rapes your daughters or your mothers , or better yet bends you over and ass rapes you and justifies it by pointing out fark posts you've made that clearly prove your an attention seeking whore who deserves the ass raping.

A lot more than just George Zimmerman was on trial here. Also on trial was the right of ordinary citizens to proactively take an interest in community affairs. Also on trial was the right of less athletic people to be secure via the second Amendment in furtherance of the first point. Also on trial was equality of white people everywhere to be equally as involved in keeping their streets clean. Would the outcome have been the same, had George Zimmerman been black? I doubt it very much. Martin's attitude toward Zimmerman would have been different, as would his reaction to Zimmerman wanting to know what he was doing slinking through back yards, had Zimmerman been black. It's really a shame that this whole thing came down to race. It shouldn't have been really, but when all you've got is a hammer...

Sagus:Zimmerman will make a bundle suing the media for altering the 911 call, to make it sound like he was a racist and for altering photograph showing less blood/ wounds on his head. Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?Here's a lil' salt for those wounds on the team trayvon. He's expected to get his pistol back from the police, but he could lose his CCW

I knew about the 911 call, don't remember them altering a pic. If so, then damn. I hope Zimmerman sues the shiat out of them.

Owangotang:Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't.

Irrelevant, GZ was not being a vigilante, he was performing self defense against assault and battery, and that's not punishable at all in even states that don't have what is colloquially known as SYG.

He tried everything within his power, the firearm was the last resort. If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long, people can, and have, gotten away with self defense with much less damage to their person, as the law is intended. Even a threat that a reasonable person would believe would suffice.

Just like the cop who shot the guy in the head who was holding a little girl hostage with a knife, letting her get away unscathed. But yeah, that cop's a murderer, little girl should have toughed it out. farking pussy!

Popcorn Johnny:Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.

Owangotang:Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't. It has nothing to do with ITG syndrome and everything to do with irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon. He did not have to shoot Trayvon in the chest, he chose to.

Oh for god sakes. I'm no fan of Zimmerman. I thought he was a complete moron for getting himself into the situation.

But the fact is this Trayvon was kicking his ass. Zimmerman feared for his life. When you pull a farking gun you KILL your target.

This is the ONLY reason a gun is invented. To kill living things and destroy the target.

The real crime is this: Apparently you can aggravate the situation and SHOOT your way out of it.

Owangotang:Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

Zimmerman will make a bundle suing the media for altering the 911 call, to make it sound like he was a racist and for altering photograph showing less blood/ wounds on his head. Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?Here's a lil' salt for those wounds on the team trayvon. He's expected to get his pistol back from the police, but he could lose his CCW

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that? Internet Tough Guy syndrome? He was a fight ender though. I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.

tenpoundsofcheese:Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.

Ok, I'll bite.

What do you think happened.Keep in mind what happened the other 46 times he called 911, his 1/10 rating from the MMA instructor, his history of working across racial lines to help people (the black homeless person, the tutoring), the bruises he had and the lack of any on Martin.Throw in his reenactment for the police (he didn't lawyer up) and the consistency of all the prosecution witnesses.

Go ahead, tell me what happened and be specific.

In the dark of night he prowled. Sweat glistening off his lean buttocks, the wind whispering through his hair. How long had he waited for this? How long? He picked up the scent of his prey on the wind, half-germanic, half-latino, the faint whiff of cheetos and Michelob set his mind at ease: this would be easy prey. He circled back through the parking lot sniffing the ground, he had lost his handlers hours ago and they may find him at any time, he had to be quick. He spotted his prey wending through the buildings, the thick heat of a summer's night bearing down on him, he could almost taste the delicious man flesh and the delicious snapping of bones.

In an instant he sprang, leaping out of the shadows. His furry arm reaching out to end the fight before it even began. He was shocked when the portly young man spun around, grabbing a gun from his back holster with preternatural swiftness. He managed to get one claw on him and force him to the ground. Shots rang out in the empty night, but he was too swift and the bullets only grazed him. But then he heard a thud behind him, the bullets meant for him struck another. His lupine lips curled in a sneer of frustration, one death could go unnoticed, two would be problematic. He leaped up, bounding on top of the apartment buildings and rushing to the safety of his private plane waiting for him on the tarmac, he always returned, even if he was covered in blood.

George Zimmerman stood dumbstruck. Who would believe him if he told the truth? They would think him mad, MAD! In the cold dark of the night the crushing burden of the awful truth fell upon him, he knew he would get no rest, he would never be safe again.

Were-Obama would find him. Were-Obama would never forget. On night in the dark, those red eyes would come calling for him. Zimmerman wept.

Befuddled:Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.

You're right, not one other witness substantiated his claims.

Except the majority of the witnesses provided testimony that did, in fact, support his story.

And the physical evidence substantiated those his story, including his injuries.

And the forensic evidence detailing the circumstances of the shot.

But you're right, there was no way to substantiate Zimmerman's claims, other than his own word.

rewind2846:Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?

When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

Possibility and intent are two different things. I'd almost guarantee that when he started following TM, he wasn't planning on using his weapon. Things change when you are on your back and someone is beating the crap out of you. If he would have left the gun in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night.

Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread. He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there. He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately. He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him. He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable. Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country

Here's a copy of the neighborhood watch guide Zimmerman was given by Dorival (PDF). Take special note of pages 7, 13-15.Guns? Confrontation? "Asking questions"? No.Observe and report to local police? YES.

HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.

This has been covered before - neighborhood watch members do NOT have a "right" OR a "duty" to ACT.They are, in fact, strongly, and repeatedly, told this is a BAD idea.Mr Zimmerman had every right to carry a weapon, etc - but please do not confuse his rights as a neighborhood watch member.

BeesNuts: So are we ever going to talk about the nature of the law in FL? I mean, he's obviously not guilty. But something feels funny about forcing the prosecution in a murder trial to prove that the perpetrator wasn't afraid for his life. Seems... impossible.

Oh, it's already started (at least in FL) - what strikes me is, how do you PROVE, without a doubt, a narrative when half those involved are dead and absent anything other than open-to-interpretation evidence? Lacking camera or eye witness accounts? Zimmerman aside, it seems a large flaw in this law and how the legal standard for a criminal charge is worded: "beyond a reasonable doubt". (and that is for the jurists, not the foaming lunatics on fark, tyvm)

HKW:GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity.

No, he does not. He had a duty to observe and report alone. Nothing else. He especially had no duty to follow a person he suspected of a crime onto private property that was not his.

Neighborhood Watch does not make you a state-commissioned security officer, nor does it make you a member of Law Enforcement. The fact you're patrolling the neighborhood while armed with a HCP-permitted weapon makes it even more of a civil danger.

Seriously, if you want to play pretend cop as an adult, just go sign up for Police Academy. Hell, some places will even let you volunteer a day or two a month.

I'm just glad to see a justice system finally taking a good hard look into self defense shootings. Yes, I know that wasn't used in this defense, but since the survivor is the only one who gets to tell the story, the courts owe it to the deceased to be really sure that's how it went down. "He was coming right for me!" should never be an automatic Get Out of Jail Free card.

What a cute picture. Tell us how the DARE class told you the devil weed makes people do evil things, again?

DoomPaul:His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.

His action of following was an escalation of action. He suspected a crime was in progress - he's actually stated this. That's the reason he followed Martin. He was even told by a 911 dispatcher not to do that, and that he was putting himself in unnecessary danger by doing so. In that case, Florida Law and the standard for HCPs around the nation is to act as a witness alone, not to intervene. By following Martin, it's easy to point out that in the situation he escalated it to the point of physical altercation. And it's just as easy to argue that Martin felt threatened - since there were no witnesses to what happened next.

Zimmerman played pretend police, and as a result, someone died. His actions, it could be pointed out, were negligent and out of his legal duty to act as a HCP holder.

hardinparamedic:DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.

His action of following was not illegal; a legal action does not warrant an illegal response. Someone may not like it if I hit on their wife, but if they punch me I can defend myself. Sure I could have prevented it, but that does not excuse their actions nor does it make me legally culpable.

sheep snorter:Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.[i.imgur.com image 388x356]

oregon fubaralas:phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.

rewind2846:DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

But GZ was waiting in his car when this took place;2:08 Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?2:10 (door opens, sound of door alarm)2:10 Zimmerman: Ah, down towards the, ah, other entrance of the neighborhood.2:14 (door closes)2:14 Dispatcher: OK. Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?2:17 Zimmerman; The back entrance.2:23 Dispatcher: Are you following him?2:25 Zimmerman: Yeah.2:26 Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.2:28 Zimmerman: OK.

at this point GZ started walking back to his truck (according to testimony) when he was confronted by TM, sucker punched, and had his head pounded into the ground.

rewind2846:The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine.

Oh really?

rewind2846:If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.

You were the one that originally made it about guns, sport. Looks like it really is your fetish at work here. Nice try moving the goalposts, though, it's just too bad your words are there for everyone to see.

rewind2846:This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.

The proof that Zimmerman started the confrontation is lacking. In fact, all of the evidence points to the contrary. Rachel Jeantel testified that: Martin was in his father's backyard at one point in their conversation, yet somehow the confrontation started almost 300 yards to the north at the intersection of the "T"; that Martin spoke to Zimmerman first. Not to mention those little things like physical injuries - you know, the fact that Martin didn't have a mark on him other than the gunshot and the abraded knuckles from where he was hitting Zimmernan, and the witness that definitively stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman "ground and pound" style while Zimmerman was yelling for help.

Show me the evidence that Zimmerman was doing anything other than observing Martin, in a public space where Zimmerman had every right to be observing whoever he wanted to observe.

rewind2846:If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.

And now seem to be walking back your claim that if Zimmerman owns a gun and wants to carry it, he should never leave his house. Now you're claiming that if Zimmerman owns a gun and carries it, he should never be able to leave his vehicle.

That's..... really rational of you, let me tell you.

/you can call him a "pussy ass cracker" if you want too, no need to keep stopping short//it's been established by the Fark community that "cracker" is not a racist term, so it is ok to use it.

Xetal:I was wondering this as well. What do you think the odds are that Zimmerman is found shot to death. He should be very careful where he goes and with who, I'm sure there are plenty of people looking for vigilante justice.

... and those type of knucleheads will forget all about it when thier next unemployment/disability/welfare check is deposited in thier checking account in the 15th (tomorrow).

Representative of the unwashed masses:easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation. he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

Uhm, concrete pavement can be considered a deadly weapon, just do you know. But, I love how the following necessarily leads to altercation. I guess I better be the only one in line at Wal-Mart, lest when I follow someone out, an altercation ensues.

The altercation was not a necessary outcome of the following. It was a necessary outcome of Martin doubling back and then sucker-punching Zimmerman in an act of racially motivated hate-crime. Get the cracker...how dare he....GASP...follow us on public property. Following someone is MURDER!!

Derp.

It all started when Martin started it...not when Zimmerman tried to fight back.

Carth:iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.

What about a 95 lbs adult women? I'm sure most teenagers could physically beat them should they be allowed to carry guns? How strong of a person do you need to be able to beat up before you're entitled to the 2nd amendment?

You do realize I'm PRO CCW, PRO RKBA, PRO legal self defense, right? Ask any of the girls here that know me, and a few do, and the LGBT crowd for obvious reasons. I'm ALL about people being able to carry arms, but they better damn well know how to use them, and they better not farking think it gives them gumption to go pick fights.

Zimmerman neither knew how to use his weapon nor knew better than to think the gun in his pocket made him a badass, again, witnessed by the fact that a fight escalated to the point that a FARKING TEENAGER WAS ON TOP OF HIM IN A FULL MOUNT.

That is so many levels of fail I don't even know how to start. Oh yeah, he went looking for it. Doubles the fail. If it were anymore of a failure it would be an undiscovered state of matter.

seadoo2006:Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting. Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing. We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ...

That's a great analogy. Because Zimmerman was a cop in an unmarked Malibu.

This About That:I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.

That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.

Warlordtrooper:seadoo2006: Representative of the unwashed masses: true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting. Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing. We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it. It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin. Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING. That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon. That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death. Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.

Martin was exercising his right to stand your ground. Being followed at night while I was LEGALLY walking though the neighboorhood would make me concerned for my safety as well.

The law doesn't recognizing a car following you as a lawfully threatening situation. Sorry. You lose.

Carth:iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

iq_in_binary:phenn: iq_in_binary: The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

That actually says he had EVERY business carrying a gun. Your logic is a bit odd.

Getting a teenager on top of you in full mount is like riding a toy pony and getting bucked off.

Either way, you're far out of your league, you've entered the wrong damn stadium, and you need an adult to keep you from doing something stupid.

NOT somebody I want carrying a gun. Oh yeah, I carry one myself, I have a right to farking comment.

What about a 95 lbs adult women? I'm sure most teenagers could physically beat them should they be allowed to carry guns? How strong of a person do you need to be able to beat up before you're entitled to the 2nd amendment?

Representative of the unwashed masses:true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting. Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Except for, you know, the pictures of the kid from 5 years prior that were digitally lightened to make him seem 'less frightening' when the reality was this kid was up to no good and was actively beating a guy into the ground for the mere fact that he was - LEGALLY - following him.

Guess what? Our community does the same thing. We have police in unmarked Malibus that patrol our streets for this very reason ... to confront, question, and observe the community and those people in it. It makes not a damn bit of difference in the case if Zman was LEGALLY following Martin. Again, LEGALLY FOLLOWING. That isn't lawfully stalking, it isn't threatening, and it's not illegal. Period.

What WAS illegal was Martin deciding to get violent against a guy with a concealed weapon. That was his downfall - and ultimately, the proximate cause of his own death. Martin caused this when he decided to not run to his home that was a mere 100 yards away - but to actively and VIOLENTLY confront a guy that was following him.

stiletto_the_wise:Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.

It never was about proving Zimmerman "couldn't possibly be a murderer". The states job was to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he was a murderer and had nothing but supposition. Most reasonable people felt the state proved far beyond a reasonable doubt OJ was a murderer and got off because a jury of bias black people found out one of the cops uttered an illegal word in the past. Many of the same people cheering in the streets after that bogus verdict are all buthurt after this one. Trademark Martin deserved what he got. Deal with it OJ fans.

iq_in_binary:Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

SevenizGud:sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.[i.imgur.com image 388x356]

Yeah, because the dispatcher told him not to follow, therefore Zimmerman never has any right to stand his ground...even if Martin assaults him in the Arby's parking lot a month later. Because he's waived his right to stand his ground against Martin, amirite?

But hey, I am sure you know more about the law than the judge.

A month later isn't the same as minutes later. You're saying I can stalk you from my vehicle while you're walking on foot, get out and confront you, saying only-god-knows what to pick a fight, then shoot you and say self defense? Zimmerman put himself in harms way, even if Martin got the upper hand in a fight, there wasn't an immediate threat to life until Zimmerman caused it.

Do you honestly agree with defense tactic of saying Martin wasn't unarmed because of cement? I That's like saying those killed at Kent State weren't unarmed because there was pavement around them. The kids killed at Columbine H.S. weren't unarmed because of hard tile floors, and metal lockers, and chairs and desks... The people at the federal building in OKC when McVeigh bombed it, the people in the WTC, they weren't unarmed! There was so much cement in those buildings!

ferretman:Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.[t2.gstatic.com image 485x271]

The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.

Tell me, would any of this had happened had Zimmerman simply stayed in his truck and waited for the police, whom he had called and were on their way?We have neighborhood watch where I live, and that is what they do. They carry no weapons. They have a flashlight and a cellphone. They are simply living smart cameras that watch what goes on in the neighborhood, hence the name "neighborhood watch". They do not confront, they do not question, and most of all, they do not attempt to apprehend. They observe and report, that is all.

Would it have been that difficult for this two time police department reject and robocop wannabe to do just that? Wait in the truck for the cops? That's where the stupid is, and your choice to defend this waste of human skin says much about you.

But black kids are dangerous. Someone had to take a stand against.. uh.. them walking at night.

Sofa_king_kewl:This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

PsiChick:Oh, look, I have a complete and utter lack of sympathy. This, children, is what happens when you ignore basic firearm safety, a 911 dispatcher, and the little voice in the back of your head that tells you that, no, arresting people is a job for the police, not you.You are not in a movie, and if you play maverick expect it to backfire spectacularly.

Yeah... my take is live by the gun, die by the gun. If this sort of shiat flies as normal and acceptable behavior, then it's to be expected that more of the same will come around.

Carth:Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation. he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

Following someone isn't illegal in FL. There is no way to tell who started the physical altercation but the jury decided there wasn't enough evidence to say it was Zimmerman beyond a reasonable doubt.

true that may be but the spate of pictures intending to paint the kid as a lowlife is spitting in his families face. that's what I find disgusting. Zimmerman may not have broken the law but he made the first of many bad decisions that led to Matrin's death.

Benevolent Misanthrope:I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

Benevolent Misanthrope:I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

I was wondering this as well. What do you think the odds are that Zimmerman is found shot to death. He should be very careful where he goes and with who, I'm sure there are plenty of people looking for vigilante justice.

sheep snorter:Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.[i.imgur.com image 388x356]

It is amazing that someone is so lame that they don't realize yet that "Stand Your Ground" was not invoked in this case. The Zimmerman case is a straight-forward self-defense case.

Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

yagottabefarkinkiddinme:We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?

Because a jury found that Zimmerman feared for his life when Martin was on top of him punching his face and hitting his head against the concrete?

Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.

Yeah, their names are sealed, but we're in 2013 here. All it takes is one J4T script kiddie or a guy who knows a guy who knows a coworker who noticed "say, I haven't seen Alice in three weeks, she's been awful mum about what she was doing, but I think she mentioned jury duty, and come to think of it one of the jurors was a 32-year-old mother of two..."

TuteTibiImperes:Azlefty: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet

That was covered pretty well in last nights thread; under Florida law he is immune from civil suits since he was acquitted.

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

The whole point of our criminal justice system is to prevent civil suits. The English established that an offense against one of the Sovereign's subjects was an offense against the Sovereign himself to keep people from seeking justice the old-fashioned way with blood-feud.

Under the American version of this, Zimmerman was tried for an offense against "the people of the State of Florida" expressly to prevent the Martin family from seeking private justice for Trayvon's death.

Sofa_king_kewl:This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

I'd like to see the same people who believe O.J. "obviously" did it come here to explain to us all how Zimmerman can't possibly be a murderer because he was found not guilty.

doyner:Sofa_king_kewl: This is why I love Fark so much, it's a site inion dated with arm chair lawyers, self righteous liberals and a bunch of just plan old assholes. He was found not guilty, I hope he still carries his weapon, he may need it.

This is why I love Fark so much, it's full of righteous indignation posted without as much as a cursory proofread.

I kept reading that as 'onion dated' and was trying to figure out what kind of Grandpa Simpson angle he was going for.