Presexual Agreement Contracts

Ok, one of the most important aspect in a relationship, and also one that seems to be the least discussed until too late, is children. Personally,
it's one of the first topics I bring up when I am considering a relationship. I consider this world too corrupt to consider passing along my DNA and
bloodline in. That is how I feel.

I think that before entering into a sexual relationship, it should be discussed, and a legal agreement drawn up and signed beforehand. If you do not
agree on such an important topic, then you really shouldn't be having sex in the first place, and a relationship is probably not a good idea. It would
save people a lot of heartache and bitterness.

An example of what such a contract could look like:

I [names here] affirm that we are entering into a serious relationship, and are planning on having sexual relations. We both agree at this
time, that we do not wish to have children. Should we both agree that we decide to have children at a later time, a new contract can be drawn up,
nullifying this one.

If [woman] decides upon finding out a pregnancy has occured, to keep the child, then she accepts full responsibility for said child.

It needs to be short, to the point, and written in plain english, not legalese mumbojumbo.

First off..this may have been better posted in the relationships forum.
Secondly, I see no problem with how you feel towards children/relationships...but a contract is a bit much.
If you find the right person, I fail to see how a legal document would be needed. It sounds more like you wish to cover your behind on the off chance
you found yourself in that situation.
If you really don't want children...permanently deal with it and get a vasectomy. No worries.

Personally, I don't think you should have sex with someone unless you truly love them. I don't really think marriage is necessary, but I dont think
you should have sex until you find the person you want to be with for ever. Yes, I realize this means you will only ever get to have sex with one
person in your life but it is just my opinion. Unless you "need" sex and are a horn dog then I dont see a problem with it. Sex should be reserved as
an act of true love, nothing more. Plus, it would solve this whole problem.

In any case, have you never heard of condoms, birth control, vasectomies, tubal ligation, etc...?

I do realize my opinion will probably be unpopular, but it is an opinion.

ETA: I am not religious in any way, so that has nothing to do with my opinion.

WTF? Are you fifteen years old or something? If you want to have sex with someone and there is consent between you, just go for it.

Christ when I arrived to northern Europe years ago (sweden) I discovered that people here and in the rest of scandinavia laughed at my american
retarded values. Sex is nothing here. It is like milk. If you want it you get it.

But in ol´redneck US they make a thing out of it. This latest fling to have contract set before getting to it is just another form of evidence the
american mind is so obsessed with the thought of sex they need contractual formula before even daring to be normal humans.

Children should be generally entitled to support from their parents. But I think there should be one exception. When a woman gets pregnant and refuses
to abort despite the wishes of the man, then it is solely her decision to bring a child into this world. In such case, I think the man should have the
right to give up both parental rights and responsibilities before an abortion limit has passed.

From a legal standpoint, that is only true if the woman decides to keep the baby. If she decides against it, then suddenly then suddenly it's not a
child, it has no rights. Just a lump of flesh to be taken out and flushed away.

Also yeah, I use rubbers, they can fail once in a while though supposedly. Never had one bust in my 30 years, so I am thinking it is a myth, or some
people just do not know what they are doing

Answer is simple, do not have sex if you are not ready to have responsabilities.
Throwing whole issue on womans neck when pregnancy happens is simply wrong. Why? You don´t have any idea what kind of emotional and ethical issues
rise when pregnancy happens, when child is aborted many female have feeling of guilty for the rest of their lives when guy just keeps partying, the
other part might face mental issues because of the decision of abortion.

It is funny that you mention this, because my best friend's girlfriend lied to him an told him she was taking birth control so she could force him to
maintain a relationship with him because she knew he was soon to leave him ( now that is a control freak). In the end it worked, he is still with her
and they have a very beautiful boy, but in the end he maned up and is raising the kid with her. It is really sad though because she is kinda stupid
and I feel bad for my friend because he is really smart. I sure hope the kid gets his intelligence.

In any case, just as I said before, he should not have had sex in the first place unless he truly loved this girl, which he clearly didn't. He just
wanted empty sex and he didn't use a condom (which I think he should have regardless if she was taking birth control or not, just to be safe). So it
is his responsibility to support his child. Do you see where I am coming from even if you don't agree?

In a perfect world, I agree with you. We would be able to trust one another, a simple handshake or hug or whatever would be enough. People change
though, you know, like the husband who used to be great, then after marriage is all of a sudden beating the crap out of the wife. Or the girl who
seems great, but once you want out of the relationship, she tries to trap the guy with a baby.

The sample I made up is sure to cover my ass, but obviously one drawn up by two people that do want kids would be different from mine.

Well, seeing as how even after birth the child is still less intelligent than a common rat(which most people have no remorse killing) I think that it
is no less horrible to abort then to set a mouse trap in your house.

Also, the consciousness of a fetus in the womb during the latest period it can be aborted is about that of a lizard, then yes abortion should be
allowed. How about we concentrate on the sanctity of life for the thousands of children who starve to death every month. With each child born, where
one could be adopted from one of these horrible places, it is much worse than abortion.

From a legal standpoint, that is only true if the woman decides to keep the baby. If she decides against it, then suddenly then suddenly it's not a
child, it has no rights. Just a lump of flesh to be taken out and flushed away.

Also yeah, I use rubbers, they can fail once in a while though supposedly. Never had one bust in my 30 years, so I am thinking it is a myth, or some
people just do not know what they are doing

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