"I was excited to play because it's a challenge to play somebody like that to see where you are, because she's one of the best players in the game,

I thought I was going to collapse at the end

``I came to win the match,'' Jankovic said. ``I believed it to the end. Then Serena raised her level and I couldn't keep up with her.''

She faught back from 2-5 played to deuce almost every game, broke Serena a few times, and she didn't retire after back injury. She has real problems with that back :(

As a person she is really nice. She hardly argues with referees, and always thanks to the ball boys after the match, or during it.
After she beat Dementieva she said : "Thank you guys for everything, you're really nice" Great person, a complete player: She trails back, she chokes, she hits hard...she does eveything. Great future for you Great JeJa :worship:

Sash1

Jul 28th, 2004, 12:32 PM

she dos seem very nice, good effort jelena, you'll beat them all next year, i'm sure :)

musgrave

Jul 28th, 2004, 12:36 PM

Go JEJA

iloveazza

Jul 28th, 2004, 12:39 PM

The only Jaja I know is the monster from Star Wars.

Cam'ron Giles

Jul 28th, 2004, 12:41 PM

Where the helll do you people get these nicknames for these players? Do they know you call them these rediculous names? Jeca now Jeja? :rolleyes:

MagicMilan

Jul 28th, 2004, 01:41 PM

Where the helll do you people get these nicknames for these players? Do they know you call them these rediculous names? Jeca now Jeja? :rolleyes:

Jeca is a popular nick for Jelena but JeJa :p

Cam'ron Giles

Jul 28th, 2004, 02:04 PM

Yeah but you do know that nicknames are to be used by close friends and family members...it's not for strangers...:rolleyes:

mboyle

Jul 28th, 2004, 03:14 PM

Who the hell cares? Do you realize that no one cares?

Cam'ron Giles

Jul 28th, 2004, 03:26 PM

Who the hell cares? Do you realize that no one cares?
:rolleyes:

mboyle

Jul 28th, 2004, 03:30 PM

roll your eyes all you want. There just is no need to rebuke and shame people for nicknaming their favorite players as they wish.

Glenn

Jul 28th, 2004, 03:32 PM

I agree with Cam'ron.
All that nicknaming is getting confusing and on top of that it sounds childish because most of them sound like some Teletubbie/Pokémon kinda thing.

Jeca is a common nickname for Jelena, just like Jenny for Jennifer. Or Vee for Venus.
Nothing strange in that.

SJW

Jul 28th, 2004, 07:57 PM

I agree with Cam'ron.
All that nicknaming is getting confusing and on top of that it sounds childish because most of them sound like some Teletubbie/Pokémon kinda thing.
:lol:

yea...Jeca is cute, but Jeja? c'mon now, stop with the millions of nicks.

Joana

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:05 PM

:lol:

yea...Jeca is cute, but Jeja? c'mon now, stop with the millions of nicks.
Well, I actually know several Jelena's whose nick is Jeja. It's not quite as common as Jeca, but it exists. But it does sound funny in English. :)

iloveazza

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:22 PM

The thing is if the player herself heard that nickname called, would she indentify it as her nick? It's just way over the line of obsession to start making all those baseless nicknames for players. I heard Mauresmo called Momo somewhere but in what sense should she be call by that name? There is no double "mo" in her name.

Venus Forever

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:25 PM

Where's all the hoopla about her excusing her loss because she was tired??

Just more evidence that ALL players make an excuse when they lose.

ans

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:27 PM

My faves are KiClij and Juhé. I like Lida too but I'm not such a fan of Sewi and Vewi.
Hey, this is fun:p

Cam'ron Giles

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:29 PM

My faves are KiClij and Juhé. I like Lida too but I'm not such a fan of Sewi and Vewi.
Hey, this is fun:p
:haha: :haha:

CoryAnnAvants#1

Jul 28th, 2004, 08:50 PM

Where's all the hoopla about her excusing her loss because she was tired??

Just more evidence that ALL players make an excuse when they lose.She didn't say that was why she lost specifically. The impression I got from what she said is that playing a player who hits the ball as well as Serena takes a toll on you physically, and that once Serena raised her game even more, Jelena got tired and couldn't keep up.

It's not making an excuse when that actually IS what happened.

Jankovic seems to be on the way up though. She's moved up 100 spots in the last 12 months, won her first tournament this year in Budapest, and has scored a couple of big wins (Maleeva when she was in the top 15, Petrova when she was in the top 10, and Dementieva).

Venus Forever

Jul 28th, 2004, 09:01 PM

She didn't say that was why she lost specifically. The impression I got from what she said is that playing a player who hits the ball as well as Serena takes a toll on you physically, and that once Serena raised her game even more, Jelena got tired and couldn't keep up.

It's not making an excuse when that actually IS what happened.

Jankovic seems to be on the way up though. She's moved up 100 spots in the last 12 months, won her first tournament this year in Budapest, and has scored a couple of big wins (Maleeva when she was in the top 15, Petrova when she was in the top 10, and Dementieva).
...and you can say the same thing about everything Serena says. She DID play 9,000 or so levels below her play. She DID create many, many unforced errors. Etc, Etc.

An excuse is an excuse, whether you made errors, whether you were tired, or whatever.

CoryAnnAvants#1

Jul 28th, 2004, 09:47 PM

...and you can say the same thing about everything Serena says. She DID play 9,000 or so levels below her play. She DID create many, many unforced errors. Etc, Etc.

An excuse is an excuse, whether you made errors, whether you were tired, or whatever.
I hate to say it, but as much as I like Serena, she almost never balances out those comments with praise towards her opponents game. When she wins 6-2 6-1, she's full of compliments for her opponents. When she loses, it's a "suicide attempt."

tterb

Jul 28th, 2004, 10:45 PM

...and you can say the same thing about everything Serena says. She DID play 9,000 or so levels below her play. She DID create many, many unforced errors. Etc, Etc.

An excuse is an excuse, whether you made errors, whether you were tired, or whatever.

No. I haven't seen the exact quote, but when a player says their opponent tired them out by upping the level of her game, it is complimentary of the opponent. And it's in no way an excuse for the loss... It's saying what happened during the match.

Saying you played terribly on the other hand, whether true or not, may be saying what happened during the match, but it comes off as an excuse because it gives no credit to the other player. And the other player can almost always be credited for doing SOMETHING to cause her opponent's bad play.

Besides that, there are more tactful ways of saying you had a bad day. Try "I just didn't bring my best today." Or you could cite a specific problem you had, like saying "My footwork wasn't up to par" or "My second serve wasn't deep enough." That doesn't sound so terrible, does it? Extreme exaggerations like Serena, Dokic, and a probably a few players have used to describe their performances only come off as disprectful. I don't believe Serena attempts to belittle her opponents intentionally with these comments, but I don't know how you can't see the difference between "My opponent raised her level and I couldn't keep up" and "I played 9,000 notches below my level."

EDIT: That isn't to say you should kiss your opponent's ass every time you lose, but if there were things you could have improved, just say that instead. There's no need for the very extreme hyperbole.

mboyle

Jul 28th, 2004, 10:47 PM

Where's all the hoopla about her excusing her loss because she was tired??

Just more evidence that ALL players make an excuse when they lose.
because Serena and Venus are way more arrogant. "I commited suicide out there for the second time this year" vs. "yes, I guess I was tired in that third set, but she really raised her level of play"

Venus Forever

Jul 28th, 2004, 11:00 PM

because Serena and Venus are way more arrogant. "I commited suicide out there for the second time this year" vs. "yes, I guess I was tired in that third set, but she really raised her level of play"
Why was she tired??

Could it be that her opponent has a smart strategic play of moving her constantly, eventually leading to the point where she was getting too tired to move anymore??

Try again.

jacobruiz

Jul 28th, 2004, 11:45 PM

Why was she tired??

Could it be that her opponent has a smart strategic play of moving her constantly, eventually leading to the point where she was getting too tired to move anymore??

Try again.
Well, since Jelena said, "Then Serena raised her level (of play) and I couldn't keep up", I think that's exactly what she meant. Why be so critical of her comments? They sound like compliments to me.

Venus Forever

Jul 28th, 2004, 11:57 PM

Well, since Jelena said, "Then Serena raised her level (of play) and I couldn't keep up", I think that's exactly what she meant. Why be so critical of her comments? They sound like compliments to me.
I'm not being critical at all.

In fact, I could care less what she says. I could care less if she thought the only reason she lost was because of her own errors, as I see nothing wrong with it at all.

What I do see wrong, however, are poster's ability to only reason that the Williams Sisters are the only one's to discredit their opponents, when the truth is that EVERYONE does it.

jacobruiz

Jul 29th, 2004, 12:34 AM

I'm not being critical at all.

In fact, I could care less what she says. I could care less if she thought the only reason she lost was because of her own errors, as I see nothing wrong with it at all.

What I do see wrong, however, are poster's ability to only reason that the Williams Sisters are the only one's to discredit their opponents, when the truth is that EVERYONE does it.
I understand perfectly well the point you're trying to make. MY point is that you're not using a good example. If Serena had said what Jelena said after losing the match i. e. "Then Maria (or whoever) raised her level and I just couldn't keep up", I doubt if anyone would have said anything.

I'm sure much better examples can be found.

Venus Forever

Jul 29th, 2004, 01:19 AM

I understand perfectly well the point you're trying to make. MY point is that you're not using a good example. If Serena had said what Jelena said after losing the match i. e. "Then Maria (or whoever) raised her level and I just couldn't keep up", I doubt if anyone would have said anything.

I'm sure much better examples can be found.

...and they were pointed out by myself just after Wimbledon in another thread, but of course, I shut everyone up, and not ONE person responded to all of the quotes I displayed in which the player blamed her own game instead of praising her own opponents.

Mind you that all of my quotes were from EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE TOP 10, but how easy they all overlooked those quotes. ;)

rada

Jul 29th, 2004, 02:05 AM

...and they were pointed out by myself just after Wimbledon in another thread, but of course, I shut everyone up, and not ONE person responded to all of the quotes I displayed in which the player blamed her own game instead of praising her own opponents.

Mind you that all of my quotes were from EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE TOP 10, but how easy they all overlooked those quotes. ;)

get over it :lol: jelena said nothing bad and if anything she could have said that she sould have won that match but didnt because off her back!!!! something serena would say!