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lol@ the responsibility to be on parents as if there is some police talk 101 class every parent must have with their kids about feds.

what age? 4? 8? 10? 13? what topics should be covered?

yet a grown ass over 21 year old prick in a uniform who's 9 months+ ON THE JOB training must SPECIFICALLY cover a situation such as this in practice, time and again before being eligible to wear that badge, paid for by the tax payer is the one who should be able to think clearer in that situation.

if their training is by default shoot first and ask questions later, thats the country that is sick not the parents at fault.

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As a parent I don't think your child should be out in public without adult supervision when you haven't taken the time to discuss the correct way to behave in certain scenarios.

Sticking to some kind of moral high ground will not mean shit when you have to go and identify the body of your child in the morgue. The most imporant thing is for them to have the neccesary tools to think critically and ultimately, get home SAFE.

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American cops especially don't play when it comes to a you or them situation. This is the problem of giving normal beat officers guns,they are mostly cowards. It's only natural, it's a survival instinct. But a lot of these people shouldn't be doing street policing.

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This happened to me when I was a kid. We were having a little BB gun war and some neighbour called armed response

Was about 13/14 running around my garden shooting at my brother and our mates, then the next minute there's some white dude in my garden telling me to put the gun down.

Didn't take him seriously at all, the gravity of it just didn't hit me at first. He was basically some negotiator who had been sent in to scope out the situation, but there was a bundle of pigs with MP5s waiting outside, and feds came through the front to speak to my parents. That's how the situation could have been dealt with. The fed who came first wasn't armed or in uniform, he just had a loud voice. Whole ting was wrapped in 5 minutes, no warning, basic safety lesson from the police - they didn't even really check the guns.

My first BB gun was a Colt 1911 just like yout had, no orange safety bits. sh*t, I had AK47s, M4s, full metal PPKs, Brococks, nuff mad straps and no safety indicators. We used to run wild with them, but those were the pre-9/11 days of innocence.

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Which is why this whole situation is fucked. If this kid was pointing it at people he obviously knew and appreciated the reaction he would get from people.

Was he still acting like an ass when the cops arrived and thought they wouldn't fire at him?

Tbh that BB gun looks real enough especially at a distance that I wouldn't be taking that chance either.

But did they even take into account what the 911 caller had specifically stated numerous times?

He's 12 years old, he has police aiming a real gun at him telling him to put his hands up or we'll shoot. Maybe he panicked and tried to remove the gun to show them it's not real. I mean at such a young age you can't always fathom the gravity of such situations and also what the wrong action may result in.

The approach of dealing with a 12 year old seemed no different to dealing with an adult imo.

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This happened to me when I was a kid. We were having a little BB gun war and some neighbour called armed response

Was about 13/14 running around my garden shooting at my brother and our mates, then the next minute there's some white dude in my garden telling me to put the gun down.

Didn't take him seriously at all, the gravity of it just didn't hit me at first. He was basically some negotiator who had been sent in to scope out the situation, but there was a bundle of pigs with MP5s waiting outside, and feds came through the front to speak to my parents. That's how the situation could have been dealt with. The fed who came first wasn't armed or in uniform, he just had a loud voice. Whole ting was wrapped in 5 minutes, no warning, basic safety lesson from the police - they didn't even really check the guns.

My first BB gun was a Colt 1911 just like yout had, no orange safety bits. sh*t, I had AK47s, M4s, full metal PPKs, Brococks, nuff mad straps and no safety indicators. We used to run wild with them, but those were the pre-9/11 days of innocence.

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Which is why this whole situation is f*cked. If this kid was pointing it at people he obviously knew and appreciated the reaction he would get from people.

Was he still acting like an ass when the cops arrived and thought they wouldn't fire at him?

Tbh that BB gun looks real enough especially at a distance that I wouldn't be taking that chance either.

But did they even take into account what the 911 caller had specifically stated numerous times?

He's 12 years old, he has police aiming a real gun at him telling him to put his hands up or we'll shoot. Maybe he panicked and tried to remove the gun to show them it's not real. I mean at such a young age you can't always fathom the gravity of such situations and also what the wrong action may result in.

The approach of dealing with a 12 year old seemed no different to dealing with an adult imo.

Exactly, the caller set the context for what should have been a measured response.

What happened is a paranoid white guy turned up, saw a black kid (who he will probably say looked older), made up some bullshit about fearing for his safety/seeing a gun and licked shots.

Moretime I think these feds spend more time checking around to see if they are clear to get a kill in - i.e. no neighbours visible, no onlookers, and then make the shot. I don't believe all this fuckery about split second actions and fearing for your life, that's a cop out - no pun intended.

Guy turned up, see the kid and shot him in the time it took to concoct a plausible, easy to remember justification.