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View Poll Results: Does the potential for genocide in South Africa worry you?

Re: Will there be genocide in South Africa?

Anything that prevented systemic targeting and murder of people and the 3rd worlding of a nation is a "good system".

That was the whites doing it to the blacks... learn your RSA history please...

Yes it does..Every stop to thing some peoples and cultures can not live side by side?

Some, sure. Radical Islam springs to mind. Black people in the RSA in the early and even late days of Apartheid? Nope. Good people.

Well they are "equal" now..How is that working out? Oh wait one group is having their land stolen..I guess you leftist will care as much as you cared before....Right? Did not think so.

So the whites were fine to steal black land and oppress... Libs hated that but you were fine with it apparently. Now, blacks are doing it to whites and you oppose that... but again Libs hate this as well. Looks like Libs consistently hate stealing and oppression but you are in favor of stealing and oppression when whites do it to black people. This is known as classic RACISM.

Originally Posted by Bucky

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

Re: Will there be genocide in South Africa?

I worry about South Africa, post-Mandela. I wonder if you do the same... assuming you're aware of how things are changing on the ground there.

In the following video, the current president of South Africa sings a very disturbing song. I will let you listen for yourself.

The conditions for genocide seem to be rolling to a high boil, and it is troubling.

Dr. Gregory Stanton, head of Genocide Watch, warned that South Africa was at Stage 6 out of 8 on the road to genocide: the planning and preparation phase. “There is thus strong circumstantial evidence of government support for the campaign of forced displacement and atrocities...there is direct evidence of government incitement to genocide.”

In addition to the government inciting violence, as we have learned from the example of Nazi Germany and their genocide, often a precursor to such atrocity is a collapse in the general economy and welfare of the people. It's easy to whip up a pitchfork-wielding mob when the people are starving, jobless, and angry. Just give them someone to blame.

In the past 20 years, unemployment, poverty, AIDS, murder, corruption and crime all have all surged, and South Africa now regularly tops the charts worldwide in terms of rape and murder. A child is said to be raped every 3 minutes in that country, and as many as a quarter of all South African women report to have been raped. Hate crime is at an all-time high. Unemployment tops 25 percent officially (double the rate 20 years ago), 40% unofficially. Half the population lives on a dollar a day.

Average life expectancy has plummeted to 53 years old, in the rest of the world it is around 70 years old.

Just as the Nazi party made no secret of what they were planning to do (although it fell upon deaf ears at the time), neither are the forces in South Africa making any secret of their plans.

In a post titled “The Bullet or the Bullet,” the South Africa-based outfit “BlaqSoul Afrika,” said, “We are not fighiting a faceless oppressor, the oppressor is not just a system of white supremacy, the oppressor is the white race, and when we speak of the distraction of white supremacy in its totality, we speak of the distraction of the white race in its totality!”

The post presumably meant “destruction” of the white race, rather than distraction.

“Now repeat after me Black woman and Black man: The oppressor has a face and the face is white. We ought to wipe out the white face, ending our suffering as a people! Black power!”

Another example.... The EFF political party (Economic Freedom Fighters) has as one of its stated goals: “Fight white males.”

The situation reminds me a bit of what happened in Zimbabwe a few decades ago, under Mugabe. After taking over, horrific tragedy followed as people were slaughtered en mass. Zimbabwe, once considered the breadbasket of Africa, is now suffering from mass starvation and is totally dependent on international food aid. I hope the same does not happen to South Africa.

Does the situation concern you?

I've been to South Africa several times in the past year and I've not come close to getting that impression. The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), and their leader Julius Malema, are at the source of most of the comments and the video in your post. They are a marginal opposition party with only 25 seats in Parliament compared to nearly 100 for the Democratic Alliance and some 250 for the ANC. The country is riven by 'defacto' segregation as a result of wealth disparities but even this is beginning to change. Certainly there is a vocal minority that still seethes with anger at the white community, just as there was when Apartheid ended, but it remains a minority. Crime while high is descending from the ludicrous levels of the 1990's though it still fluctuates from year to year, growth is modest but not great, corruption is rampant, and everything more or less pushes along at a plodding pace.

I think it will take several generations for South Africa to 'right' itself. Even in infamous places like Soweto you begin to see a change as 'middle class' housing pops up on the periphery of the district, as malls move in across the street from shanty towns, public housing pops up to replace corrugated huts, power lines and sewage slowly snake there way through the slums, etc etc. But you have so, so, so much to overhaul and overcome.

One of the biggest godsends for South Africa would be the ouster of the hopeless corrupt ANC with it's shockingly uneducated political leaders and the creation of a DA led government.

But Genocide? Absurd hyperbole. Though there are problems in rural communities with crime against land owners which shouldn't be overlooked. But it's been overblown by white nationalist tinged websites in the states.

Re: Will there be genocide in South Africa?

I also think people are using an outmoded construct when they talk about 'land reform' in South Africa. The real problem and the real place that poverty and social agitation is going to be solved is in the cities. What South Africa desperately wants and desperately needs more of are factories, businesses, and other forms of investment that will create jobs for the teeming millions that have flocked to the cities. While agriculture, mining, and the like are very important to South Africa the biggest impact it has these days is on the warehousing, port, and other logistics business it generates. The diamond industry for example mostly sifts in deep water and off-river silt from the Orange River which doesn't employ nearly as many people as the old mines used to. But the diamonds still have to go down to Cape Town and then out of the country.

Land reform is an issue, though I think the chance to address it has come and gone, but it isn't the paramount issue. South Africa isn't Zimbabwe.

Re: Will there be genocide in South Africa?

In the most openly anti-white moves to date by the South African government, that nation’s president Jacob Zuma has announced that 2015 will see the first Zimbabwe-style land seizures—and went on to blame white people for the inability of the African National Congress (ANC)-run state to supply electricity to the country.

Does kind of sound like Hitler blaming the Jews for the woes of Germany, doesn't it?

Zuma is atrocious. Luckily he was prevented from getting the Constitutional majority he needed to carry out the bulk of his plans. The power issue is almost exclusively a problem created by the maladministration of the ANC.

Re: Will there be genocide in South Africa?

That was the whites doing it to the blacks... learn your RSA history please...

Some, sure. Radical Islam springs to mind. Black people in the RSA in the early and even late days of Apartheid? Nope. Good people.

So the whites were fine to steal black land and oppress... Libs hated that but you were fine with it apparently. Now, blacks are doing it to whites and you oppose that... but again Libs hate this as well. Looks like Libs consistently hate stealing and oppression but you are in favor of stealing and oppression when whites do it to black people. This is known as classic RACISM.

That was then this is now, but then again too wrong make a right?

Yes I am opposing it because they built the nation were before they should it noting existed. Anyone who sides with barbarism over civilization is a enemy of civilization.

Libs consistently hate stealing and oppression

Bull! They love it when its Europeans who are having their nation, culture, wealth, Liberty, and future stolen from them by "oppressed" peoples.