19 Oct The Underground Episode 80: Can We Know the Day of Jesus’ Return?

39 Comments

linda keyes

Posted at 10:59h, 19 October

I’m very grateful for this episode Joel. As you began to speak the very same scripture came to mind: ‘If the owner of the house had known the time……..’
‘Simple thinking’ thinking would tell me, that in the natural Jesus knew all about the feast times, yet he said only the Father knows the hour. As i see it, because he emptied himself of all he was and made himself reliant on the father through the Spirit, as we should.

Excellent point by the P2alm 2 people. The call to evangelise, closed this episode very well indeed.

Julie Jenkins

Posted at 14:31h, 19 October

This was a very instructive episode, Joel. We in the prophetic community need to stop and humble ourselves because we do NOT have as many answers to the mysterious passages of prophetic scripture as it may seem which you have rightly pointed out. What seems right to our human, feeble minds may be a stumbling block not only for ourselves but others before our holy God. Jesus was right to teach us merely to “watch and pray” that God will guide us as we depend up on him and not on our own understanding. It is when the power of the holy people is broken (I think for both Jew and Christian) that God will rescue his people. This is one of the better episodes you have done in recent memory for me which I deeply appreciate.

Blessings!

Taryn

Posted at 19:11h, 19 October

Primary sourced and ethically sourced scholarship is EVERYTHING.

We do have a little joke within the Messianic believing community (of which I am a member, so not throwing shade here): Messianic doesn’t start with the word “mess” for nothing.

Adam

Posted at 02:57h, 20 October

Hi Joel,
What a blessing to hear good news about your wife, thank God! I haven’t followed your underground episodes for a while but I felt compelled to respond to the “no one knows the day or the hour” broadcast after hearing about it and I was startled to hear about your wife since you prefaced it by saying she had cancer, and now she doesn’t that’s great news! Praise God!
I love your ministry and I know God is using you for the end times and laying the ground work for many tribulation saints of the future. In the climate of people becoming afraid of immigrants and Muslims its refreshing to hear a voice calling for opportunities to love strangers, especially with the Gospel.

I believe there is some truth to both sides of the argument on the “no one knows the day or the hour.” Are you sure it’s just “some Jews” when referring to the “Hidden Day?” The phrase that Orthodox Judaism uses is actually the “Hidden Day” and not “no one knows the day or the hour.” Check out these Torah Judaism websites on the subject of the “Hidden Day” from Non-Christian/Messianic but strictly Yeshua/Jesus denying Jewish Sources. By the way, I believe in the resurrection of Yeshua/Jesus who sits at the right hand of the Father and in justification of believers by faith and in eternal life as a gift by the blood of Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth and I don’t hold to Orthodox Judaism as a Belief System :

Idioms for Rosh Hashana aka Day of Trumpets:
· Yom Teruah = Day of Shouting/Blowing
· Yom HaDin = Day of Judgment
· HaMelech = Coronation of a King
· Yom HaZikkaron = The Day of Remembrance
· Yom HaKeseh = The Hidden Day

I believe anyone who sets dates today is totally deceived because the clock has not started. We have specific references to the daily sacrifice, the revealing of the Antichrist, the two witnesses, so once these things begin to happen we can start counting and know the season of the Lord’s return. But we need to be wise and and prepare for every scenario: if He returns around the fall festivals, if he comes a little early or if he decides to delay. We know that Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled the Spring feasts to the day( He died on Passover, He rose on First Fruits, and the Holy Spirit fell on Pentecost) so why would the fall feasts be any different? Satan has had thousands of years of practice at deceiving so we need to be ready for his tricks in the endtime. Perhaps Satan is using these guys (like from Harold Camping to this new guy recently and probably many more to come) to let our guard down for when he is thrown out of Heaven. These days are going to be really dark since He will be able to kill and dominate countless many saints but we know the word so that will not surprise us but many will be caught offguard, and we know many will be discouraged and resort to violence and trying to join movements to overthrow the Antichrist etc, but people like you will be refined and spreading unsealed knowledge to other believers. The Lord gave us specific times. 3.5 years and 1260 days are mentioned numerous times both in the OT and in the NT. Revelation speaks about Jerusalem being trodden down for 42 months, we have so many references. Daniel spoke about 1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days (perhaps these are the same time frame with leap months included +15 days for the 1335 day reference, ie 1335=1260+30+30+15). There is also a reference to 2,300 evenings/mornings. These days are all multiples for 30 day months (similar to what we see in Genesis with Noah) besides the last one which is perhaps a reference to 1150 days, and the 1335 days end in the middle of a month, possibly an illusion to the Feast of Tabernacles which is always on the 15th of the 7th month. I don’t think the Lord would put such specific references to days if we didn’t need to know them. Now the problem will become knowing exactly when the calendar begins since there are so many, we have the Orthodox Rabbinic calendar, the Aviv barley calendar (thank God for Nehemia Gordon’s great work on the subject!),etc. etc., but the Calendar in Heaven is perfect and He knows the exact time, perhaps the Holy Spirit will reveal it to the saints once the time draws closer, or through the two witnesses, I don’t know but God does. Furthermore, the day of our Lord’s return is a day of thick darkness and clouds (Zeph 1:14-16), so it will probably be very difficult to pinpoint the exact day especially on a day with no visibility of the sky (that’s how Priests in ancient Israel declared the Day of Trumpets by having enough visibility to actually declare the Day of Trumpets). But to simply say that we don’t need to worry about any dates is foolish. We have to be wise and prepare for all scenarios. The problem with setting dates now, like this recent guy who mentioned Sep 23rd, 2017 or Harold Camping is very obvious and we know the source of that information. But once the clock starts we need to start counting the days and be really vigilant and continually be in prayer and seeking the Lord, we won’t have time to waste on mentioning people like that.
Warm Regards in Yeshua/Jesus,
Adam

Joel

Posted at 03:13h, 20 October

Hi Adam,

Thank you for this. So I was wrong regarding the fact that some Jews indeed do refer to Yom Teruah by the term Yom HaKeseh. It is a fascinating discussion for sure where this derives. Nevertheless, I will correct myself in forthcoming show. I agree with what you have said of course. The point of the show is not to say that the Fall Moedim will not be fulfilled as the Spring were. By no means. My point obviously was simply to say that whatever our current understanding and expectation of these feasts may be, it cannot be such that it contradicts Jesus’ clear words on this matter. It cannot be that we disregard Jesus’ words that “no man knows the hour or day,” we will not know, and He will come at a time we do not expect. The theory that He was simply using an idiom there simply doesn’t work. But certainly when all is said and done, we will marvel at the fulfillment of the Fall Moedim in the same way that we marvel presently at how He fulfilled the Spring Feasts.

Thanks again.

Leo Watson

Posted at 08:14h, 20 October

Praise God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ that you wife is cancer free! I am sure that is a great relief to you and your family.

Thank you for a very excellent presentation. I appreciate people who make me think and do research. Thank you!

Angela Weber

Posted at 10:29h, 20 October

Praise the LORD! I can only imagine the relief you, your wife and family must be feeling after receiving the news that your wife doesn’t have cancer.
I appreciate your presentation on the Feast of Trumpets. This whole dilemma as to how the Fall Feasts will be fulfilled reminds me of one of the Narnia movies, when Lucy asks Aslan why he couldn’t “come roaring in and save them like last time?”. And he responds by saying that “Things never happen the same way twice, dear one.” Somehow the Fall Feasts will be fulfilled, but until then I guess the best thing to do is to “keep watch”, be good Bereans and be careful not to be overly dogmatic about those things that are not yet clear.

Joel

Posted at 10:47h, 20 October

Great story to remind us to be cautious, humble, and trusting. The Lion has got this.

Joe T

Posted at 13:22h, 20 October

Hi Joel, did you not write an approving post on Tim Warner’s Time of the End book? I bought that book because of your recommendation, and Warner specifically exegetes Mt 24:36. Have you changed your mind about Warner’s ideas since then? Furthermore, since you’re not pretribulational, wouldn’t we be able to know we’re in the last week of Daniel once we see the abomination of desolation in the temple (and/or other signs written in the Bible)?

Joel

Posted at 15:05h, 20 October

Hi Joe,

I disagree with Tim in terms of the way he exegetes that text. Tim’s book is broken up into two parts. One is a defense of chiliasm. I found that portion fascinating and rather convincing. The other half is his chronology. I have read various conflicting chronologies and have little interest in them. So Tim’s book is of great value in its discussion of chiliasm. But yes, I do think we should stay away from date setting.

Jesus foreknew that he would be delayed and was very explicit with his warning. “so you, too, must keep watch! For you do not know the day or hour of my return.” Matthew 25:13

The foolish virgins were also Christians and they all heard the cry of the coming of the Bridegroom. From the beginning, His people have generally followed after knowledge rather than Life. Knowledge supplies praise by men, honour, recognition, a following. But he warns His people to keep watch! Forewarning of the consequences when we are preoccupied with other things – too busy – instead of abiding in Him. Instead of denying ourselves, we are gratified by the pursuit for and the wrangling for knowledge and debate. It really is good for business. But God uses this choice to separate those who are baptised with His fire, from those who are busy in the appearance of Christian activities that offer honour, influence and greatness, but deny Him with the daily opportunity of knowing us through His yoke, which we are to take upon ourselves. Matthew 11:29

WATCH!

Roy Coker

Posted at 20:31h, 20 October

Thanks for your presentation. No one knows the day or hour of Christ’s coming, but I did know that He was not coming on September 23, 2017. 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 makes it clear that the Lord will not come until there is a falling away first and the man of sin is revealed. Anyone that predicts a date before the man of sin is revealed is clearly in error. When the man of sin is revealed it will be 3.5 years before Christ’s return. As Adam stated above there is the problem of determining the length of this period, (1260, 1290 or 1335 days). So we still do not know the exact date. I believe it will happen on a Fall Feast Day (probably on Feast of Trumpets), but we still do not know which year it will happen. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 describes Christ’s coming and the “rapture” as one event. Much of this date setting results from chronologically separating the “rapture” from the Second Coming. Paul clear warns us not to be deceived. One extreme is date setting the other extreme is the doctrine of imminence (Christ can come at any time.) Both doctrines discourage us from continually watching as the Lord commanded. Thank God for the good news about your wife’s health. Sincerely, Roy Coker

Thanks Joel for once again clearing the air in some of the fables that exist today in the Body of Christ that causes one to turn from Gods Word and believe a doctrine of man.
The more we begin to stop and listen to the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus the more I believe we will find ourselves in Truth.
The responsibility you have as a Teacher is enormous and I again thank you for your Reverence to God in this matter.
I am looking forward to the next few parts you may present regarding “THAT Day and Hour of Christs Coming”
The Disciples asked Jesus about the Sign of Jesus Coming in Matthew 24 and the whole Focus of Matthew 24 and 25 is on just that “The Coming of Jesus Christ”.
Jesus does not hide anything from us, He tells us all what must happen before “That Day of His Coming approaches”.
Jesus actually Prophesies what MUST happen before That Day of His Coming can happen and those Prophecies MUST happen just as Jesus said because they are True.
They MUST happen as That Day of His Coming approaches, but of the Exact 24 Hour Day or Hour of that Day after the events are seen, we do not know.
Below is a Link for anyone that is interested on the Day and Hour of Christs Coming which I believe is in Harmony with what Joel teaches.http://raptureofsaints.com/index.php/category/that-day-and-hour-of-jesus-christ-coming/
Thank you again Joel for your Honesty and I again look forward to hearing and watching more of what you present regarding That Day and Hour of Jesus Christ Coming.
May God Bless you Richly

Sean

Posted at 05:35h, 21 October

Joel, so happy to hear the new news about your wife. Whether or not it ever was malignant, blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.
Always enjoy your updates.

I think there’s a fine line between avoiding date-setting (like the 9/23 Rapture theory) and failing to acknowledge the purpose the miqrahs of the Lord from Leviticus 23. The feasts of the Lord are more literally recitals or rehearsals. In 32-33 AD, Jesus fulfilled the Passover feast as the lamb of God, and he likewise served as the sinless, unleavened Bread of Life for Unleavened Bread. He became the Firstfruits of the dead on the Feast of First Fruits. Exodus 19 begins at the onset of the first month, about 45 days after Passover. Thus, the fourth feast came at the same time that Moses had received the 10 Commandments.

Israel missed the Messiah because they didn’t understand the purpose of each feast, or rehearsal. The Feast of Trumpets signaled the end of the agricultural year.. Hard to miss the parable of the wheat and the tares in connection with the Feast of Trumpets. In Israel, the Feast of Trumpets signaled the beginning of the 10 Days of Awe and set a date for the Day of Atonement and Sukkot. Joel 2:1-3 describes the blast of the Trumpet as a harbinger of the Day of the Lord. In the Old Testament, what day did the Lord appear in a cloud over the Mercy Seat? It was on the Day of Atonement. The high priest would recognize the Lord as being in the cloud. In Isaiah 19, who is riding the cloud into Egypt? It is again the Lord, and the Day of the Lord has come.

Look at Revelation 11:18, at the seventh and final Trumpet. The Greek, “kairos nekros krino” is usually translated as, “The time of the dead to be judged.” Although we know that the lost are judged after the Millennium. A better rendering of the Greek krino is probably to “select, to approve, to separate..” The Seventh Trumpet is seemingly the rapture of the church. In 11:19, the Temple in Heaven is opened, and we see orders from the temple to pour out the wrath of God in Revelation 16. Revelation 19 begins in the immediate aftermath of the seventh vial/bowl of wrath and introduces the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. I believe that just as the Lord revealed himself in a cloud on the Day of Atonement following Trumpets, he will likewise reveal himself in a cloud as in Isaiah 19. In the tabernacle, blood was sprinkled in the presence of the Lord on the Day of Atonement. At his Second Coming, blood will be shed in the presence of Jesus Christ again.

Don’t forget that Pharaoh threatened to kill the sons of Israel. Promised to drown them in the Nile. God remembered his words. The angel of death moved against the sons of Egypt. And the chariots of Pharaoh were drowned in the Red Sea. The Lord has an ironic sense of justice. The Lord has not forgotten the way that the nations mocked him on the Day of Atonement, 1973. They defiled his holy day by shedding the blood of his people. I would not set a date. But I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Zechariah 12:10 falls on the Day of Atonement, and rather than just appearing in a cloud in the Holy of Holies, Jesus appears to all of Jerusalem.

Gary C

Posted at 22:36h, 21 October

I have been listening to Nelson Walters on The Moral Dilemma talk about the verse about keeping watch which is six verses later after “no man knoweth the hour.” He has some very interesting input on this passage

Bennie Kenechukwu

Joel – great work, accomplished in your gifted manner as always. I’m grateful for the news on your wife and family!
Adam – indeed, the time clock has not started and much needs to occur before our sense and understanding of the season becomes known.
Howard – a very well-done article on the day and hour!

Considering any dates before the occurrence of specific end-time events is fruitless, and harmful. It will be the occurrence of actual events on earth that will provide the means for followers of Christ to have a keen understanding. Time and events will prove out any expected chronology and time line. Even then, an expectant mother is given an expected day but it doesn’t always work out that way. The labor process itself, especially as they lead to the climax of pain, is the primary focus. From my personal experience with our seven children, the focus has been on the difficult labor process that leads to the joyful birth. Not once have I ever argued with the doctor that he was in error on the expected due date, or denied that labor was in-process because it all happened earlier or later than expected. While I believe that one day the Lord will help us to have a date and time frame in mind, our focus should primarily be enduring to the end and watchfully, soberly, prayerfully, and hopefully looking up!

Blessings,
Brandon

Joel

Posted at 11:24h, 22 October

Thanks much Brandon. Deeply appreciated. I snipped out the link as I generally do not post links to articles etc. Be blessed.

Robert

Posted at 18:56h, 22 October

Thank you for this straightforward message about not knowing the day or hour. I admit I was caught up in it and was listening to Clarke and others on YouTube. I even asked my pastor if I could do a Wednesday night teaching on this and he let me! I was careful not to say the rapture was going to happen on the 23rd but rather felt compelled to break down Clarke’s argument and present the evidence for the church to decide. Overall it went well and I put the emphasis on looking forward to His coming. The strange thing is I lean mostly to a pre-wrath rapture, but all the hype caused me to reconsider the pre-trib rapture belief.

Joel if I am not mistaken you are in the pre-wrath camp? You made the statement that you knew for certain that the rapture wasn’t going to happen on the 23rd or even that the rapture won’t happen this year because certain events have to take place first. It may be helpful to just quickly highlight what those specific future events are so that your audience can have a better understanding as to why you are dogmatic about this. I assume some of these events are found in 2 Thessalonians 2 that Roy above mentioned.

Joel

Posted at 04:25h, 23 October

Robert,

Yes, I am pre-wrath. As such, numerous events must take place first. Everything from the strengthening or making of a covenant, to the rise of the Antichrist, to the great falling away. So much must take place first.

Abdullah

Posted at 16:29h, 23 October

Hi Joel,
There will be a total solar eclipse on the 26th of Dec 2019 over all the middle east.
I’m wondering if this is something relevant to your researches or it relates to your expectation about Jesus’ return according to your religion.

Joel

Posted at 17:20h, 23 October

No it is not. Not that this will not likely stop some Christians form trying to say it means something special. But I see no basis for that.

Hello Joel,
In Matthew 24:36 Jesus said the following:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Why is it do you think that many do not focus on the words “But of That Day” when they are teaching on this phrase.
I have noticed in this Phrase the two words “But” and “That” this clearly shows that Jesus is referring back to the words that He has already spoken prior to this verse and it is focused very much on the Day of His Coming.
Jesus said the following just prior.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
It appears that Jesus is referring to the Day of Christs Coming as clearly taking place after the Great Tribulation Period is completed.
It would appear that this is going to be the time when He also sends His Angels to gather us together to Himself.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jesus even builds on this by saying that we should learn a Parable Now in regards to understanding His Coming.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
We will always physically see the New Growth in Trees before Summer appears and Likewise we will Physically see the Events on earth as Prophesied before Jesus will Come.
The Phrase “that we do not know That Day and Hour of His Coming does not change or remove the Events that Jesus said Must Happen and be Seen before He comes, it merely adds to it a Truth.
We do not Know the Exact Date of Christs Coming and we do not know the Exact Hour of the Date that Jesus is Coming but we do Know what to watch out for as that Day of His Coming Draws very Near. And we will also Know when He will be at the Door and Ready to Come and when we should be Looking Up.
Do you believe more emphasis should be placed on the words “But of That Day” and linking all the verses together rather than creating a whole different day of Christs Coming?
Eg. Pretrib Coming and then later Post Trib Coming making Two Comings instead of One Coming.

Steve Eichler

Posted at 02:28h, 26 October

Hello Joel.
As always, I enjoyed and agree with your perspective in date setting…but more importantly…praise our Lord Jesus for the wonderful news regarding your bride. To Him be the glory.

You brought forth a point that made a few of the pieces of the puzzle fit rather nicely for me and that was naming the Great Tribulation as Jacob’s Trouble. This does pose one question to me that would I would appreciate your reconciling. How do you reconcile the Great Tribulation to be Jacob’s Trouble with Matthew 24:9 where Jesus says “…you will be hated by all nations FOR MY NAME”S SAKE.” The name of Jesus means little to nothing to most Jews.

I look forward to seeing you again next week in Gettysburg. Have a blessed day with your Lord Jesus.

Joel

Posted at 05:11h, 26 October

Hi Steve,

While the Old Testament most certainly defines what we call the Great Tribulation as “Jacob’s Trouble, i.e.., a very Israel centric event, the New Testament also makes it clear that we who are disciples of Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, are grafted into Israel by faith. As Gentiles, we are not Jews. However, it is clear that Satan is going after the Jews out of hatred and rage against the things and people God loves. How then would we expect to be exempt from that? Of course he will go after us all. Revelation 12 also makes this clear. We are called “Israel’s other children… who keep the commandments of Jesus.” So even as there is an identification with the God of Israel, the covenants of Israel, the Messiah of Israel, so also do we identify with the suffering of Israel.

Praise Jesus for the wonderful diagnosis. Our clan continues to pray for your wife’s continued health and for your whole family.
Second, although knowing the date of Jesus’s return would be of academic interest, what truly matters living out our faith every day until He comes as if it would be today. We will enter the Tribulation for as his ambassadors, (Luke 21:13), we need to live worthy of that call..

Third, scripture says no one will know the day or hour. Is it possible that Jesus could return on a feast day and still no one know? IMO Yes, Even if we had all of scripture figured out, might we be incorrect about God’s Calendar even by a month or more? Also on the Day of the Lord there will be thick clouds, will anyone be able to tell the days accurately then? Maybe not. Matt. 24:36 says only the Father “knows” but this Greek word for knows is “eido” – seeing which leads to knowing. Might an inability to physically see be involved as well? So we could be right and still be wrong.

The bottom line to me is that the return of Jesus is interesting academically and worthy of examining, but frankly the date it is not the most important thing. Jesus gave us signs, to give us the general timing of things (Covenant with the Many and Abomination of Desolation) to alert us to what is needed during each of those seasons. Then when the sun and moon darken and the stars fall, everyone will know what is next.

Taryn

Posted at 07:40h, 03 November

I’m kind of bouncing off something Steve said here. I think we Gentile Christians too often underestimate the presence of Messianic Jews in the world. There are plenty of them when you compare many Bible events where a remnant was comprised of a mere several people. Noah and his family alone were saved in the great flood. Only four men were brave enough to stand up to Nebuchadnezzar. The prophets of God were killed by their own people. We Christians often make the mistake of thinking of Jews who believe in Jesus as a tiny number, however, as compared to many historical biblical events where the people of God failed to be on the right side, there are quite a lot of Jewish believers in the Messiah.

Michael

Posted at 21:10h, 03 November

I just watched your episode. Praise God about your wife. That is is wonderful news. May God continue to bless you and your family as well as your ministry.

I have been a pre-wrath rapture guy since 1990 when Marvin Rosenthal’s book came out. Before that I was like most everyone else, we’d be raptured before the tribulation.

I would also recommend Alan Kurschner’s book, ‘Antichrist before the Day of the Lord’. I believe he his a good friend of yours.

All these date setters has been appalling lately. I was at a prohecy conference here in Norman, OK recently, and i was so disappointed because of all the wild crazy notions of this or that. very little real biblical teaching. I know they are sincere believers but it is just astounding the teaching that is taught as if it real.

Keep up the great work brother.

Joel

Posted at 13:51h, 04 November

Hey Taryn,

Thanks so much for coming out, giving support, and the tea! Great to see you and sorry you had to drive so far. Thanks again for being such a blessing.

Joel

Taryn

Posted at 18:46h, 04 November

I love long drives through the countryside. And Gettysburg is too cool for words; what an interesting town. The only thing that concerned me was that that the length of the distance traveled might come off less like “giving support” and more like “creepy fan alert!” But, of course, I got over that because I really wanted to attend.

The debate went the way debates are ideally supposed to go: rapid-fire vibrant, reasoned argument, complimented by a great mutual personal respect. Those seated around me were all raised within the Roman paradigm, and, during the first break alone, several expressed to me that they were ready to seriously consider the Islamic paradigm.

I do get a sense that prophecy has maybe been too fictionalized in our society…too many novels/movies, etc. There seems to be a corporate desire for our prophecy teachers to “tell a great yarn” rather than just filling in the portions God has revealed. And maybe my observations are wrong, because it’s confusing, but I’m sensing a desire for teachers to just go through all Bible prophecy and spin a narrative on all points. Rather than responsibly pointing out the small bits God has shown them. The Roman paradigm kind of gives you the identity of the Antichrist, false prophet, etc. And some prophecy students maybe like that. They like the feeling that the main characters are already identified. One could write a tidy little novel or summer blockbuster that’s thrilling yet clean so we Christians can indulge our morbid fascinations without feeling sinful. I’m sorry if that sounds harsh, but I don’t know how else to say it. There may be a bit of a desire for a spooky thrill cloaked in the guise of piety.

I’ve always appreciated that the films you produce and partner with do NOT have summer-1990s-blockbuster-cheesy apocalyptic music in their trailers. Everything else does. And it goes beyond an aesthetic offense for me. It makes me sick. People everywhere are being killed; so many are going to be murdered. Prophetic events in the Holy Scriptures are not the Terminator franchise.

Jeanne T.

Posted at 11:06h, 07 November

This is a great episode, with excellent comments and insights.

By the way, Joel, are you planning, or would you consider, doing an episode on the shake-up going on in the Saudi kingdom and the purges being carried out by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman? How might these events be evaluated from an eschatological standpoint? This morning I just finished listening to a two-part discussion on these events that Caroline Glick had today with Avi Abelow, posted on her Facebook page. There’s also a recent piece by Caroline in the Jerusalem Post, “Our World: Saudi Purges and Duty to Act” (6 November), and an earlier one from 3 November, “America the Laughingstock”. I would be interested in your take on what’s going on in the Kingdom.

The more I look into the subject of the different Doctrines regarding the return of Jesus Christ our Lord the more obvious the problem becomes. The problem is that we are shaped by what we read or hear or experience rather than be formed by the Word of God.
Jesus set the perfect example when He said “It is written in Scripture” I believe we would be steered in a better direction if we were to say “Paul said this or Jesus said that” Many today state phrases or words that are not found in Scripture. I believe that Jesus was very honest with us when He told us exactly what events must happen before that Day of His Return. Jesus was very clear in describing all of the events especially the Deception that will arise during that time. We know what we will see and hear as that Day of His Return draws closer but of that very Day or of that very hour of that Day no man knows. Jesus does tell us the time when He will be at the Door and when we are to look up as that will be the day our Redemption will be near.
It is clear that that day is not yet near. The events must be seen physically on earth before His Return is near. Just as we see the physical signs on trees before Summer comes we will see all of the physical signs Jesus prophesied on earth before His Return.

Marek Kowalski

Posted at 16:44h, 20 November

Hello and i have a question is that true the rapture is real or not ?
And is that true the rapture is will happen on 23 november 2017 ,29 november 2017 i really to know because i am very scared and i don’t die

Joel

Posted at 17:13h, 20 November

Marek,

You have asked this question dozens of times. Stop. Of course the rapture is not November 23rd. This is absolute foolishness.

Chris Mitchell

Posted at 10:27h, 26 November

Why is it that when Jesus said no man knows the hour of His return, not even the angels, but the Father only, we seem to know more than He? I ‘ve heard a lot of preachers say over the years that they know ….. How is that? The only thing I know are the signs He said that would precede His coming, which will be fearful…..

Well said Chris clear and simple.
I do believe that Jesus said this Truth because He knew that deception would be rampant in regards to His coming.
That is why Jesus said ‘see I have told you so beforehand’
I believe we are truly going to see many false messiahs and prophets trying to deceive many.
All we to do is believe the words of Jesus.
Thank God for telling us so beforehand.

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