yea I know in studies I think they did do it at that low with good results. its crazy you hear dudes doing 300 and 200mg, I was checking out protocols last night and they recommended 1 day 300mg/day 2 200mg/ day 3 100mg/ 50/40/30 each for a week.

yea I know in studies I think they did do it at that low with good results. its crazy you hear dudes doing 300 and 200mg, I was checking out protocols last night and they recommended 1 day 300mg/day 2 200mg/ day 3 100mg/ 50/40/30 each for a week.

Damn that's some high starting doses. With Clomid I'd personally opt for the lowest effective dose just to avoid the possible sides;

yea I know in studies I think they did do it at that low with good results. its crazy you hear dudes doing 300 and 200mg, I was checking out protocols last night and they recommended 1 day 300mg/day 2 200mg/ day 3 100mg/ 50/40/30 each for a week.

The sides at that dose would be brutal. Might be blind after that lol
Rebirth and letrone would be a better pct option.
No sides, full recovery.

Am I correct in thinking that the wording of the most recent prohormone ban (2014) essentially makes substances like these, extracts of plants used in traditional cultural practises such as Chinese medicine, almost impossible to ban or make script-only in the United States? So therefore, Letrone should be available for the foreseeable future?

Am I correct in thinking that the wording of the most recent prohormone ban (2014) essentially makes substances like these, extracts of plants used in traditional cultural practises such as Chinese medicine, almost impossible to ban or make script-only in the United States? So therefore, Letrone should be available for the foreseeable future?

Ive been working hard to make sure my products will have some sustaining power. It really sucked losing Formeron. I dont want to spend all the time developing a product only to have it banned. Letrone will NOT be banned. Its 100% derived from a plant. Real natural anabolics are the way to go.
I see other companies making all these andro products and somehow thinking this is a wise avenue to travel down but...the heat is on.
Now the DEA comes for you not the FDA. And the FDA is lazy. The DEA is NOT. They will kick the door in and shoot you in the face if you move.
I dont think its a great climate to push your luck with regards to making shady products but to each their own. Letrone and all of our future products will have legs.

Ive been working hard to make sure my products will have some sustaining power. It really sucked losing Formeron. I dont want to spend all the time developing a product only to have it banned. Letrone will NOT be banned. Its 100% derived from a plant. Real natural anabolics are the way to go.
I see other companies making all these andro products and somehow thinking this is a wise avenue to travel down but...the heat is on.
Now the DEA comes for you not the FDA. And the FDA is lazy. The DEA is NOT. They will kick the door in and shoot you in the face if you move.
I dont think its a great climate to push your luck with regards to making shady products but to each their own. Letrone and all of our future products will have legs.

That's why if a company is smart, they will make a foreign subsidiary I.e. England or Canada, and make all products that are bound to be banned from there and sell to the U.S. Until they are banned. But you are right in saying that natty anabolics are the way to go, can't wait to see the new products from BLR.

Am I correct in thinking that the wording of the most recent prohormone ban (2014) essentially makes substances like these, extracts of plants used in traditional cultural practises such as Chinese medicine, almost impossible to ban or make script-only in the United States? So therefore, Letrone should be available for the foreseeable future?

ive been over that damn thing about a thousand times and to me the wording makes it so they could practically ban whey protein if they wanted to it stipulates in some of the wording if I recall that any damn thing labeled as muscle enhancing/building etc.. could be banned, they left a lot of doors open with this one just to make sure even if they didn't spell some of the words right or whatever that they could still bitch about it and p[ossibly take it.. now of course me saying them banning whey protein is more of a hypothetical joke but im just saying the way they spelled it out kind of covers anything and everything they might see as better then less then average...

That's why if a company is smart, they will make a foreign subsidiary I.e. England or Canada, and make all products that are bound to be banned from there and sell to the U.S. Until they are banned. But you are right in saying that natty anabolics are the way to go, can't wait to see the new products from BLR.

Ive been working hard to make sure my products will have some sustaining power. It really sucked losing Formeron. I dont want to spend all the time developing a product only to have it banned. Letrone will NOT be banned. Its 100% derived from a plant. Real natural anabolics are the way to go.
I see other companies making all these andro products and somehow thinking this is a wise avenue to travel down but...the heat is on.
Now the DEA comes for you not the FDA. And the FDA is lazy. The DEA is NOT. They will kick the door in and shoot you in the face if you move.
I dont think its a great climate to push your luck with regards to making shady products but to each their own. Letrone and all of our future products will have legs.

so true, DEA is as bad as the cops when they have to get off their fat half steroid pounding asses they get all gung-ho adrenaline rushing and trigger happy and if you as much as sneeze you catch a bullet from one of them if you don't catch one just cause one of them happened to feel like it or tripping over his bootlace that he never learned how to tie... of course I got respect for any individual with integrity and respect for others no matter what they do or wear but ive ran into so many of these people through out the years and not coming for me either and me being completely respectful still seeing attitudes and bull****.

either way brundel did some great work here and this is something I talked about last year and specially when the ban was coming, that ive already come across some natural things that have some awesome properties and hats just me, I can just imagine someone that really has the time and money to invest in the right extracts could come up with ingredients i'm sure pretty close to as effective as any man made synthetic substance, its just all in the time money and knowledge, not only is money power but knowledge is an even greater power. looking forward to what is yet to come.

^ I'm not in the US, but for me the whole war on drugs and DEA setup lost all credibility the day a bunch of DEA people wrote some lobby paper opposing weed legalisation because it would put them out of a job. Clearest sign yet that like a lot of things, that kind of law is as much about economic protectionism as it is about anything else.

In Ireland they're trying to bring in a minimum unit price for alcoholic drinks, which their public explanation for is protecting peoples' health. Reading between the lines, it's abundantly clear that the real motive is to allow the pubs to continue charging outrageous prices to rip off tourists, while preventing shops and off-sales from competing.

Sad, but there you have it... I for one very much doubt that medical or ethical considerations are the true purpose behind things like the prohormone ban. Much more likely to be protecting some vested interest, pharmaceutical or medical community perhaps now that people have to visit doctors to get prescriptions for ridiculously expensive pharmaceuticals... Until Black Lion comes along and deflates their balloon of course

I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.

I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.

i ran Letrone with Viron & Rebirth during pct and only lost 3lbs during PCT.
Im sure if i wouldve kept my calories higher, i woulnt have lost anything.

I'm coming off a long cycle. I will be running clomid through out my pct. my question is for those who have dosed it. what affects did a letro,viron stack have on libido,and has anyone had success in retaining or even adding gains during their PCT.

We have had a bunch of guys run the Letrone, Viron, Rebirth PCT. All have had stellar results. Even Vujade who was ultra suppressed was able to get his Post PCT test level above his pre cycle numbers if I recall correctly.

We have had a bunch of guys run the Letrone, Viron, Rebirth PCT. All have had stellar results.
Even Vujade who was ultra suppressed was able to get his Post PCT test level above his pre cycle numbers if I recall correctly.

That correct..!

I was about 420 before my cycle. Cycle was 18 weeks long. My total test was only 62 when i came off cycle
and it was 445 when i finished PCT with Viron, Rebirth & Letrone..!

^ I'm not in the US, but for me the whole war on drugs and DEA setup lost all credibility the day a bunch of DEA people wrote some lobby paper opposing weed legalisation because it would put them out of a job. Clearest sign yet that like a lot of things, that kind of law is as much about economic protectionism as it is about anything else.

In Ireland they're trying to bring in a minimum unit price for alcoholic drinks, which their public explanation for is protecting peoples' health. Reading between the lines, it's abundantly clear that the real motive is to allow the pubs to continue charging outrageous prices to rip off tourists, while preventing shops and off-sales from competing.

Sad, but there you have it... I for one very much doubt that medical or ethical considerations are the true purpose behind things like the prohormone ban. Much more likely to be protecting some vested interest, pharmaceutical or medical community perhaps now that people have to visit doctors to get prescriptions for ridiculously expensive pharmaceuticals... Until Black Lion comes along and deflates their balloon of course

I agree man, theres always some damn hidden agenda involved in this b.s. when you read the fine print that nobody really bothers too its got so many off the wall stipulations.. I still want to go visit the motherland Ireland, been dying to for a while! im thinking it stil isn't anywhere as crazy as the us.