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Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Shinobi Train

I'm not really wanting to reply to the others, but I will say that I was mainly speaking of male homosexuality. It is disturbing not only because it was forbidden, but also because it's just disturbing. I mean really? Really? It's actually natural for women to be somewhat attracted to each other, but men? Really? I literally thought it was a joke when I was first told about it...then come to find out that it's real...wow. If you don't think it's disturbing, then there's something wrong, either that or society is more influencial than I thought it was.

So male homosexuality is disturbing, but female is a-okay? I don't think it's dair to play on one side of the fence and say "Well, one is okay, but the other is just wrong" despite being in the same realm. Most people think that way, but atleast you have a different reason. Most people are like "Two girls making out are hot, so I'm in" and are like "BEING GAY IS WRONG". Sorta hypocritical I understand why you think so, I disagree with it, but I completly understand and respect your reasoning more so than others, despite me, like I said, disagreeing with it because I just think saying one is okay, but the other isn't is kinda uncool to me. Well, not uncool, but not fair.

And nah, I really don't think so. I don't think homosexuality is distubring, male or female. To me, it's just people doin what they do, living their lives. Not harmful or anything, so I don't see it as negative at all. It's just normal people doing normal stuff to me. Is something wrong? Not to me, maybe to others, but I think overall society plays into both parts. People adapt to society and that defines to them what is disturbing and what is not.

Thanks for the cool reply, very calm and collected by the way. Cheers.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Jack Spicer

So male homosexuality is disturbing, but female is a-okay? I don't think it's dair to play on one side of the fence and say "Well, one is okay, but the other is just wrong" despite being in the same realm. Most people think that way, but atleast you have a different reason. Most people are like "Two girls making out are hot, so I'm in" and are like "BEING GAY IS WRONG". Sorta hypocritical I understand why you think so, I disagree with it, but I completly understand and respect your reasoning more so than others, despite me, like I said, disagreeing with it because I just think saying one is okay, but the other isn't is kinda uncool to me. Well, not uncool, but not fair.

And nah, I really don't think so. I don't think homosexuality is distubring, male or female. To me, it's just people doin what they do, living their lives. Not harmful or anything, so I don't see it as negative at all. It's just normal people doing normal stuff to me. Is something wrong? Not to me, maybe to others, but I think overall society plays into both parts. People adapt to society and that defines to them what is disturbing and what is not.

Thanks for the cool reply, very calm and collected by the way. Cheers.

Do you think people should censor their actions and lifestyle for the sake of not causing controversy?

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Jack Spicer

So male homosexuality is disturbing, but female is a-okay? I don't think it's dair to play on one side of the fence and say "Well, one is okay, but the other is just wrong" despite being in the same realm. Most people think that way, but atleast you have a different reason. Most people are like "Two girls making out are hot, so I'm in" and are like "BEING GAY IS WRONG". Sorta hypocritical I understand why you think so, I disagree with it, but I completly understand and respect your reasoning more so than others, despite me, like I said, disagreeing with it because I just think saying one is okay, but the other isn't is kinda uncool to me. Well, not uncool, but not fair.

And nah, I really don't think so. I don't think homosexuality is distubring, male or female. To me, it's just people doin what they do, living their lives. Not harmful or anything, so I don't see it as negative at all. It's just normal people doing normal stuff to me. Is something wrong? Not to me, maybe to others, but I think overall society plays into both parts. People adapt to society and that defines to them what is disturbing and what is not.

Thanks for the cool reply, very calm and collected by the way. Cheers.

Ah, but I never said it was entirely okay for women to be straight out lesbian. I would recommend that they get husbands. Scripture, it says nothing about women except that Paul said in one place that women should not lay with women. For something to be true, there needs to be two witnesses, and that's only one.

This is my opinion, and yes, ones beliefs do have a place in such a discussion, despite people wanting to ignore that fact. I don't go around bashing gays, but I don't condone it either...let them speak with their maker is what I say. Sodomy is named so because of Sodom...and it was destroyed with fire. If someone truly wants to take that risk...more power to them.

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Re: Pedophiles are born that way

So you hold that same philosophy with homosexuality? They both claim to be born that way and with research being done its being shown to be true.

There is a large difference between the two- age of consent.

Any kind of sexual relationship is allowed only as long as both the parties involved are consenting adults. If one of the involved parties is a minor/kid/under age in the eyes of law, different set of rules are applied. In such a case it doesn't matter if the relationship is homosexual or heterosexual.

Reason is that minors or kids do not understand full implications of such relationships. At the same time adults are supposed to be mature enough to be able to understand what the pros and cons of their actions are and allowed to make choices accordingly.

Not to forget that the kids are more vulnerable to be taken advantage of - being physically weak and dependent on adults around them in various ways and easier to manipulate. That's why law provides them extra security.

Before someone raises this point- I know that some minors can be smarter and some adults quite stupid, still we have to draw a line somewhere and thus comes the legal age of consent.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Well Pedophilia is a "Mental Disorder" and there's a lot of causes for a mental disorder and Genetics can be one!
But u cannot say that pedophiles r born that way coz it could also be due to trauma, drugs, life experiences, society, culture and more..
A child can never be a pedophile coz a pedophile is a person 16 years of age or older!!!

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

There is a large difference between the two- Homosexual relationship means relation between two consenting adults.

If one of the involved parties is a minor/kid/under age in the eyes of law, different set of rules are applied. In such a case it doesn't matter if the relationship is homosexual or heterosexual.

Reason is that minors or kids do not understand full implications of such relationships. At the same time adults are supposed to be mature enough to be able to understand what the pros and cons of their actions are and allowed to make choices accordingly.

Not to forget that the kids are more vulnerable to be taken advantage of - being physically weak and dependent on adults around them in various ways and easier to manipulate. That's why law provides them extra security.

Before someone raises this point- I know that some minors can be smarter and some adults quite stupid, still we have to draw a line somewhere and thus comes the legal age of consent.

Wouldn't that be an injustice in regards to equality? I know in some places you can be marrried off as early as the age of ten. What's to say our legal definition of becoming of age isn't wrong?

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Wouldn't that be an injustice in regards to equality? I know in some places you can be marrried off as early as the age of ten. What's to say our legal definition of becoming of age isn't wrong?

Difference in age of consent in different countries doesn't fall under definition of equality. We do not have a world government. Law of the land depends on various aspects depending upon the people of that place and they have a right to make their own rules on any subject whatsoever. Nations often bargain on the various aspects of civil/political/economic rights on mutual basis.

Unless there is a severe case of violation of human rights- i.e. some behaviour/practice which is accepted to be against human dignity universally the other nations do not/cannot/should not have a say at all. And even then it can be pretty subjective matter. International laws/definitions do not apply on any nation unless that nation has given consent/accepted to abide by those.

All of us go by what we have defined as the right age of maturity in our own countries. It would be stupid if people of one country go and try to dictate their opinion regarding what should be the right age for them.

Still keep in mind that in many of the places where they allow marriage of kids as young as ten it is not up to the kids to give consent. their parents and guardians give their consent on their behalf as they are supposed to be doing that in the best interest of the kid.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Ira

Difference in age of consent in different countries doesn't fall under definition of equality. We do not have a world government. Law of the land depends on various aspects depending upon the people of that place and they have a right to make their own rules on any subject whatsoever. Nations often bargain on the various aspects of civil/political/economic rights on mutual basis.

Unless there is a severe case of violation of human rights- i.e. some behaviour/practice which is accepted to be against human dignity universally the other nations do not/cannot/should not have a say at all. And even then it can be pretty subjective matter. International laws/definitions do not apply on any nation unless that nation has given consent/accepted to abide by those.

All of us go by what we have defined as the right age of maturity in our own countries. It would be stupid if people of one country go and try to dictate their opinion regarding what should be the right age for them.

Still keep in mind that in many of the places where they allow marriage of kids as young as ten it is not up to the kids to give consent. their parents and guardians give their consent on their behalf as they are supposed to be doing that in the best interest of the kid.

So i guess in regards to what you are saying its a matter of opinion. I find it interesting however that adults would give up their kids for marriage at that age. Leads me to question if an age of consent is neccesary. What i mean by that is if every parent should be given the option to say their kid is an adult. I personally wouldn't have this law where i live (america) becauuse here parents find its the schools job to raise children and in such aren't huge key players in the teachings of their children.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Shinobi Train

I'm not really wanting to reply to the others, but I will say that I was mainly speaking of male homosexuality. It is disturbing not only because it was forbidden, but also because it's just disturbing. I mean really? Really? It's actually natural for women to be somewhat attracted to each other, but men? Really? I literally thought it was a joke when I was first told about it...then come to find out that it's real...wow. If you don't think it's disturbing, then there's something wrong, either that or society is more influencial than I thought it was.

Just like pedophilia. Who would ever be attracted to a child? I can understand 200-500 years ago when people would be married off at a very young age, but that was how things were done, and it's not that bad considering the average life was very short...they mostly just wanted children before the people croaked. That's not pedophilia, it's survival. Otherwise, who wants a flat chested girl in bed with hardly any pubes to speak of? Or a man that can barely hold it long enough to do anything sensual since his puberty makes for premature ejaculation?

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Clearly pedophiles are under the influence of either past bad experiences that have led to a psychological disorder or under the influence of something supernatural. We all look and condone the act, but can never pinpoint the reasoning to why they act this way...its out of a human's mind capacity to understand why a logical thinking adult would do something like that to a child. Hence, why I believe they are under the influence of something while committing the act rather than simply being born that way.

A child subjugated is an immediate radar on our minds. The act is sick, wrong and ultimately against human morality. People aren't born pedophiles, despite the article, it's a load of nonsense.

As far as equality goes for people born with genetic disorders...people can tell if someone is under the influence of something genetic and if their behaviour is altered to an average person with a stable mindset, so the sense that applies here is common sense. A practical example is saying someone with Down Syndrome should be treated the same way as someone without the syndrome. The two individuals immediately require different amounts of attention, different amounts of compassion, patience and consideration. Although their needs are different, and the way they see life is - as it is for any individual. The need for basic human rights is still in order.

The right to not be judged because of beliefs, age, race, etc The right to live until it is there natural time of death by God.

The act of sodomy may be against the will of God, but remember a choice does not ultimately make a person. Who is to decide when a man or act is bad?

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Unbiased

I applaud you for a compelling argument. However according to your logic everyone can make free choices. By that logic why should someone have to be persecuted and "put down" because of how he is. If he truly is born that way then its wrong to tell him he can't do whats natural to him.

Not free choices everything has a consequence possible outcomes being positive, negative, or neutral. That is why words like amoral, moral, immoral exists. OFC you can tell him/her what is wrong thats just naive.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Unbiased

So i guess in regards to what you are saying its a matter of opinion. I find it interesting however that adults would give up their kids for marriage at that age. Leads me to question if an age of consent is neccesary. What i mean by that is if every parent should be given the option to say their kid is an adult. I personally wouldn't have this law where i live (america) becauuse here parents find its the schools job to raise children and in such aren't huge key players in the teachings of their children.

I find your first sentence quite misleading and self serving. Are you referring to age of consent as a matter of opinion or your main topic itself? I never said it is a matter of opinion only. Only thing that can depends on opinion and vary, is age of consent not the fact about difference in homosexual behaviour and paedophiles. And even in the concept of age of consent only difference is where any particular nation draws the line regarding the minimum age for holding you legally responsible. The basic principle as to why it needs to be defined ( age of consent) remains the same.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by SandVillageShinobi

Actually straight woman are not supposed to be sexually attractive to one another it's just a lot of straight girls pretend to be lesbian or bi to fit in.

Not entirely true, there's the old rule of marketing to be considered. In advertisement, it's always a good call to use an attractive female because the men want to be with her and the girls want to be like her. Women are attracted to each other on some level, whether its sexual or not. However, it's not a good idea to use an attractive male because only the women are going to be attracted to them. Straight men see other men as competition and are naturally repelled by them; unlike women that want to be the attractive female, the men want to fight the attractive male.

For example, deer behave the same way. A male will allow as many females in his territory that will come, and they have no problem being around each other. If another male enters that area though, there's trouble.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Shinobi Train

Not entirely true, there's the old rule of marketing to be considered. In advertisement, it's always a good call to use an attractive female because the men want to be with her and the girls want to be like her. Women are attracted to each other on some level, whether its sexual or not. However, it's not a good idea to use an attractive male because only the women are going to be attracted to them. Straight men see other men as competition and are naturally repelled by them; unlike women that want to be the attractive female, the men want to fight the attractive male.

For example, deer behave the same way. A male will allow as many females in his territory that will come, and they have no problem being around each other. If another male enters that area though, there's trouble.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by -Kuro-

But we're not deer. We are human beings.

It's an example. As humans we do have similar traits as animals, the difference is we have morals and advanced intelligence. I was using an example that is clear to see, since this is more difficult to see in people. Trust me, it's true, this is marketing 101.

Re: Pedophiles are born that way

Originally Posted by Shinobi Train

It's an example. As humans we do have similar traits as animals, the difference is we have ethics and advanced intelligence. I was using an example that is clear to see, since this is more difficult to see in people. Trust me, it's true, this is marketing 101.