I came up in NE, we used to get paid by the local Conklin store for bringing in left ears of coyotes. Bought many a plastic model kit from the Ben Franklin store at 2pm, paid for with ears we took that morning.

From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

Moriel:From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

Moriel:From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

Moriel:From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Insatiable Jesus:A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Like how to build a house with a door that locks? How to use electricity? How to get back in the car when you see a lion? How to set up farmer's insurance for livestock?

HotWingAgenda:Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Like how to build a house with a door that locks? How to use electricity? How to get back in the car when you see a lion? How to set up farmer's insurance for livestock?

HotWingAgenda:Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Like how to build a house with a door that locks? How to use electricity? How to get back in the car when you see a lion? How to set up farmer's insurance for livestock?

How to scare away a mountain lion?

I love how at the end of every device description it states it hasn't been proven to work on lions

MurphyMurphy:HotWingAgenda: Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Like how to build a house with a door that locks? How to use electricity? How to get back in the car when you see a lion? How to set up farmer's insurance for livestock?

Jesus in the username? checkAccount created less than 6mo ago? checkArgument rests on "founding fathers" or "forefathers"? check

I'm not saying you got trolled,

but you got trolled.

I'm not a troll. I spent some of my best years on a ranch in the Sandhills so big that it wasn't even fenced on two sides. I've shot hundreds of coyotes and would have made it my mission had I heard of a mountain lion.

Insatiable Jesus:A mountain lionhuman is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humansmountain lions, given the chance. The more mountain lionshumans, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators competition, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did notcorrect their mistakes.

Moriel:Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion human is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans mountain lions, given the chance. The more mountain lions humans, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators competition, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not correct their mistakes.

We kill off the cougars and the wolves and the bears, and then we biatch about all the deer.

We kill off the cougars and the wolves and the bears because they pose too great a risk to human life, and then because life is too boring we jump out of planes and off bridges and ski down mountains and drive well over the speed limit and run red lights and drink and smoke and inject and pop pills.

Insatiable Jesus:I came up in NE, we used to get paid by the local Conklin store for bringing in left ears of coyotes. Bought many a plastic model kit from the Ben Franklin store at 2pm, paid for with ears we took that morning.

/pro-gun control//still anti-coyote

Why? What use did they have for the ears? And what did you do with the rest of the coyotes - just leave the carcasses to rot?

Nogale:Insatiable Jesus: I came up in NE, we used to get paid by the local Conklin store for bringing in left ears of coyotes. Bought many a plastic model kit from the Ben Franklin store at 2pm, paid for with ears we took that morning.

/pro-gun control//still anti-coyote

Why? What use did they have for the ears? And what did you do with the rest of the coyotes - just leave the carcasses to rot?

Insatiable Jesus:A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Your forefathers also spent enormous energy in pretending that the issue of slavery was a, not a problem, b, never going to be a problem, and c, anyone who said it was a problem was the problem. And clearcutting all the trees in an area was a really good way to provide farmland and would never backfire on them. And single-crop agriculture was the way to go, just kick more natives off land when the soil got exhausted.

Andulamb:We kill off the cougars and the wolves and the bears, and then we biatch about all the deer.

We kill off the cougars and the wolves and the bears because they pose too great a risk to human life, and then because life is too boring we jump out of planes and off bridges and ski down mountains and drive well over the speed limit and run red lights and drink and smoke and inject and pop pills.

cynicalbastard:Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Your forefathers also spent enormous energy in pretending that the issue of slavery was a, not a problem, b, never going to be a problem, and c, anyone who said it was a problem was the problem. And clearcutting all the trees in an area was a really good way to provide farmland and would never backfire on them. And single-crop agriculture was the way to go, just kick more natives off land when the soil got exhausted.

Insatiable Jesus:cynicalbastard: Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Your forefathers also spent enormous energy in pretending that the issue of slavery was a, not a problem, b, never going to be a problem, and c, anyone who said it was a problem was the problem. And clearcutting all the trees in an area was a really good way to provide farmland and would never backfire on them. And single-crop agriculture was the way to go, just kick more natives off land when the soil got exhausted.

Nebraska was NEVER a slave state.

no, it was a slave territory. nebraska city, especially. not like us good iowans. no, never like us you backwards cornshuckers. now go bow down to lincoln and worship your tom osborne god, freak

cynicalbastard:Insatiable Jesus: A mountain lion is a predator. A predator which will prey upon humans, given the chance. The more mountain lions, the more chances of attacks. Our forefathers spent enormous energy in ridding this country of predators, to let them come back is to pretend you know something that they did not.

Your forefathers also spent enormous energy in pretending that the issue of slavery was a, not a problem, b, never going to be a problem, and c, anyone who said it was a problem was the problem. And clearcutting all the trees in an area was a really good way to provide farmland and would never backfire on them. And single-crop agriculture was the way to go, just kick more natives off land when the soil got exhausted.

Not bad, cynicalbastard. I'd give that IJ's score times three, whatever that was.

Moriel:From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

22 is the number of cats living in the one region, not the entire state. Depending on the size of the area, it could be a problem.Before you work up too much outrage, you might want to finish the article.

Moriel:22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

Cougars are different from wolves, bears and most other predators in that can and will actively hunt humans. By way of point there have been only 2 cases of wolves killing humans in all of North America ever. Cougars average just under one human kill per year.

This doesn't take into account all of the pets and livestock that they kill. In fact a mass disappearance of pets is usually one of the first signs that a cougar has moved into an area. It's more of a problem when cougars start moving back into suburban areas (I have personally had a sighting of one that was DNR confirmed in the Twin Cities). Practical advice like this is why people get excited about cougars and police officers shoot cougars near schools on sight.

If you live in potential lion territory

Don't allow children to play alone outdoors or walk to or from the bus stop Don't leave pets outdoors Don't feed pets or other prey animals (such as raccoons and deer) outdoors, as both the food and the animals may attract lions Don't go outdoors for long periods or at the same time every day

onyxruby:Moriel: 22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

Cougars are different from wolves, bears and most other predators in that can and will actively hunt humans. By way of point there have been only 2 cases of wolves killing humans in all of North America ever. Cougars average just under one human kill per year.

This doesn't take into account all of the pets and livestock that they kill. In fact a mass disappearance of pets is usually one of the first signs that a cougar has moved into an area. It's more of a problem when cougars start moving back into suburban areas (I have personally had a sighting of one that was DNR confirmed in the Twin Cities). Practical advice like this is why people get excited about cougars and police officers shoot cougars near schools on sight.

If you live in potential lion territory

Don't allow children to play alone outdoors or walk to or from the bus stop Don't leave pets outdoors Don't feed pets or other prey animals (such as raccoons and deer) outdoors, as both the food and the animals may attract lions Don't go outdoors for long periods or at the same time every day

Mountain lions don't actively hunt humans. They actively hunt prey in their territories. Attacks on humans usually come from a person being in the wrong place at the wrong time and a hungry cat finding them. It's not like they intentionally prowl around neighborhoods looking for a human specifically.

chuggernaught:Mountain lions don't actively hunt humans. They actively hunt prey in their territories. Attacks on humans usually come from a person being in the wrong place at the wrong time and a hungry cat finding them. It's not like they intentionally prowl around neighborhoods looking for a human specifically.

Very true, however if a human happens to be in that wrong place at the wrong time the mountain lion is /far/ more likely to attack than a bear or a wolf. The other problem is that male mountain lions have very large territories that can easily include metropolitan areas. You can be in their territory just by being in your backyard. When I saw mine it was in a suburban city of 70,000 just a block from my house.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:Moriel: From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

22 is the number of cats living in the one region, not the entire state. Depending on the size of the area, it could be a problem.Before you work up too much outrage, you might want to finish the article.

I did finish the article sweeheart. In fact, i quoted it.

But the article online today is very different from the article that was online last night.

From the current article, right at the top: Published Saturday, January 19, 2013 at 1:00 am / Updated at 12:45 pm

The new one is about 3 times longer and provides a lot more detail. The original claimed that there were 22 cougars in the whole state, not in one small porition, and the original article made no mention of biological studies or environmental impacts from wildfires. So apparently the real situation is very different from how it was originally presented. (Some editor needs to get reamed for letting the first article be published at all.)

Oh well. The new information tones down my reaction, but does not change my fundamental stance. Humanity still has no right to "manage" the populations of other species while refusing to manage its own. I reject anthropocentrism, in fact. Humanity is not inherently superior to other species and we have no more right to subjugate them than they have a right to subjugate us. The arrogance and narcissism of anthrpocentrism is what has led us to the brink of environmental catatrophe today, and this proposed cougar hunting is just another small example.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:Moriel: From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

22 is the number of cats living in the one region, not the entire state. Depending on the size of the area, it could be a problem.Before you work up too much outrage, you might want to finish the article.

The region in question is the only one in the state where there are females so there might be less than 10 female mountain lions in the state.

Moriel:Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Moriel: From the Article:Sam Wilson, Game and Parks carnivore manager, told commissioners at their meeting Friday in Omaha that the state's estimated permanent population of 22 cats is large enough for a "limited harvest."

22?

22?

Twenty farking Two ?!?!?

22 cougars in the entire state. 1,855,525 humans. But it's the cougars that are out of control and need to be slaughtered? BULLshiat!

Anyone who murders a cougar in Nebraska is a monster who deserves the death penalty for it.

22 is the number of cats living in the one region, not the entire state. Depending on the size of the area, it could be a problem.Before you work up too much outrage, you might want to finish the article.

I did finish the article sweeheart. In fact, i quoted it.

But the article online today is very different from the article that was online last night.

From the current article, right at the top: Published Saturday, January 19, 2013 at 1:00 am / Updated at 12:45 pm

The new one is about 3 times longer and provides a lot more detail. The original claimed that there were 22 cougars in the whole state, not in one small porition, and the original article made no mention of biological studies or environmental impacts from wildfires. So apparently the real situation is very different from how it was originally presented. (Some editor needs to get reamed for letting the first article be published at all.)

Oh well. The new information tones down my reaction, but does not change my fundamental stance. Humanity still has no right to "manage" the populations of other species while refusing to manage its own. I reject anthropocentrism, in fact. Humanity is not inherently superior to other species and we have no more right to subjugate them than they have a right to subjugate us. The arrogance and narcissism of anthrpocentrism is what has led us to the brink of environmental catatrophe today, and this proposed cougar hunting is just another small example.

Eh, actually the new information makes it worse. Mountain lions are not old growth forest specialists. Deer do best in early forest succession. They want to open up hunting on mountain lions right before deer are likely to have a population explosion.