No. Everyone know that those lazy, good-for-nothing, toothpick-chewing, holes-in-socks-having, belly-button-lint-sniffing, earwax-globule-examining, booger-tasting, Hot-Pockets-eating, ashtray-smelling, gigantic losers in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania who voted in 2012 but were too pathetic to vote in 2016 are to blame for Trump.

Why, 'cause Obama was black? Is there Anything NC says that you don't agree with??? My recent favorite was accusing Martin Luther King of showboating, which you loved. Chomsky is a pretty big showboater himself, LOL. Stayin relevant baby, pitting 2 Prez against each other - double clicks for Noamie.

Barack Obama spoiled us with great intelligence, kindness, courage, and humility.

In his quiet absence, Barack revealed recently that he has spent much time pondering this very same question. Was it all too much too fast? Perhaps this great nation would’ve been better served had his presidency taken place 15 or 20 years from now?

I think change is not only necessary to evolution but embarrassingly slow. But I remember being somewhat surprised by how much faster things were going over their normal course. Long-overdue gay rights would seem to be the most accelerated of these many accelerations.

Poor Barack got it from both ends. He wasn’t nearly progressive enough as some had dreamt in promise, even while he was totally being stonewalled by the opposite force for representing a radicalism he was way too smart for. Then factor in that he was the first black president (hell, almost the first non-white protestant) and some people unfortunately — especially those more inclined to black-and-white, even conspiratorial-level thinking — were already on edge even if you did nothing but speak their own words back to them (which he did, most notably with healthcare).

Someday if we keep evolving we’ll perhaps elect great people like this again (across the political spectrum), and perhaps more fully understand them and ourselves.

In the meantime, perhaps a second 1960s rebellion is currently afoot to counteract the still-influencial 1950s.

Barack Obama spoiled us with great intelligence, kindness, courage, and humility. In his quiet absence, Barack revealed recently that he has spent much time pondering this very same question. Was it all too much too fast? Perhaps this great nation would’ve been better served had his presidency taken place 15 or 20 years from now? I think change is not only necessary to evolution but embarrassingly slow. But I remember being somewhat surprised by how much faster things were going over their normal course. Long-overdue gay rights would seem to be the most accelerated of these many accelerations. Poor Barack got it from both ends. He wasn’t nearly progressive enough as some had dreamt in promise, even while he was totally being stonewalled by the opposite force for representing a radicalism he was way too smart for. Then factor in that he was the first black president (hell, almost the first non-white protestant) and some people unfortunately — especially those more inclined to black-and-white, even conspiratorial-level thinking — were already on edge even if you did nothing but speak their own words back to them (which he did, most notably with healthcare). Someday if we keep evolving we’ll perhaps elect great people like this again (across the political spectrum), and perhaps more fully understand them and ourselves. In the meantime, perhaps a second 1960s rebellion is currently afoot to counteract the still-influencial 1950s.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson

Barack Obama spoiled us with great intelligence, kindness, courage, and humility. In his quiet absence, Barack revealed recently that he has spent much time pondering this very same question. Was it all too much too fast? Perhaps this great nation would’ve been better served had his presidency taken place 15 or 20 years from now? I think change is not only necessary to evolution but embarrassingly slow. But I remember being somewhat surprised by how much faster things were going over their normal course. Long-overdue gay rights would seem to be the most accelerated of these many accelerations. Poor Barack got it from both ends. He wasn’t nearly progressive enough as some had dreamt in promise, even while he was totally being stonewalled by the opposite force for representing a radicalism he was way too smart for. Then factor in that he was the first black president (hell, almost the first non-white protestant) and some people unfortunately — especially those more inclined to black-and-white, even conspiratorial-level thinking — were already on edge even if you did nothing but speak their own words back to them (which he did, most notably with healthcare). Someday if we keep evolving we’ll perhaps elect great people like this again (across the political spectrum), and perhaps more fully understand them and ourselves. In the meantime, perhaps a second 1960s rebellion is currently afoot to counteract the still-influencial 1950s.

Absolutely.The world now pities is for having a clown like Trump represent us.

Rodeo, was bailing out the banks ok? Odd that that created the Tea Party. How odd. Was Obama knee capping Single Payer and a public option part of the problem? He did Obamacare, so complex nobody knew who would pay more, who would pay less. Obama said you could keep your doctor. Lies. Obama didn't bail out homeowners but Fed gave 16 trillion to banks. He didn't give money to inner cities in Detroit and Chicago. why we have so much violence there. Ferguson was under him. Immigration protests started under him. So did Black Lives Matter, so did Occupy. Occupy camps were taken down by Obama and collusion with Dem mayors. Obama didn't help Dems when in states and governerships. States became right wing. That gave us gerrymandering. GOP got senate in 2014. Hopey change? Dems picked the most corrupt nominee ever. They knee capped the true progressive Bernie Sanders. I didn't mention drones, libya, Syria, Palestine. Immigration jails existed then too. Hillary didn't even support Ocasio. Chomsky wins.

Rodeo, was bailing out the banks ok? Odd that that created the Tea Party. How odd. Was Obama knee capping Single Payer and a public option part of the problem? He did Obamacare, so complex nobody knew who would pay more, who would pay less. Obama said you could keep your doctor. Lies. Obama didn't bail out homeowners but Fed gave 16 trillion to banks. He didn't give money to inner cities in Detroit and Chicago. why we have so much violence there. Ferguson was under him. Immigration protests started under him. So did Black Lives Matter, so did Occupy. Occupy camps were taken down by Obama and collusion with Dem mayors. Obama didn't help Dems when in states and governerships. States became right wing. That gave us gerrymandering. GOP got senate in 2014. Hopey change? Dems picked the most corrupt nominee ever. They knee capped the true progressive Bernie Sanders. I didn't mention drones, libya, Syria, Palestine. Immigration jails existed then too. Hillary didn't even support Ocasio. Chomsky wins.

No, you blame Obama for not being a true messiah. All the magical things he should have been able to do including turning water into wine. He did a lot of good. Obamacare has helped countless people but you think he had magical powers that he did not use to spite you.

Give Me Liberty or Give Me Redistricting

Before the term "gerrymander" was coined and even prior to the U.S. Constitution taking effect, redistricting was already being employed for political gain. Late in 1788, just after Virginia voted to ratify the Constitution and join the union, former Governor Patrick Henry persuaded the state legislature to remake the 5th Congressional District, forcing Henry’s political enemy James Madison to run against the formidable James Monroe. The ploy failed and Madison won anyway, eventually becoming the nation’s fourth president. Monroe’s career wasn’t over, though: He succeeded Madison as president.

2freaky4church1 said:

Obama didn't help Dems when in states and governerships. States became right wing. That gave us gerrymandering.

Did you know Obama had the votes for a public option but killed it because he wanted a bipartison bill. What happened? The GOP still called it marxism.

Do you know that Trump is as we speak stopping payment for Obamacare? We’re you asleep through the whole fight? Are you still asleep as to how hard the right wingers are fighting to repeal Obamacare? You are wet behind the ears and have no clue.

Did you know Obama had the votes for a public option but killed it because he wanted a bipartison bill. What happened? The GOP still called it marxism.

Do you know that Trump is as we speak stopping payment for Obamacare? We’re you asleep through the whole fight? Are you still asleep as to how hard the right wingers are fighting to repeal Obamacare? You are wet behind the ears and have no clue.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson

Barack Obama spoiled us with great intelligence, kindness, courage, and humility.

In his quiet absence, Barack revealed recently that he has spent much time pondering this very same question. Was it all too much too fast? Perhaps this great nation would’ve been better served had his presidency taken place 15 or 20 years from now?

I think change is not only necessary to evolution but embarrassingly slow. But I remember being somewhat surprised by how much faster things were going over their normal course. Long-overdue gay rights would seem to be the most accelerated of these many accelerations.

Poor Barack got it from both ends. He wasn’t nearly progressive enough as some had dreamt in promise, even while he was totally being stonewalled by the opposite force for representing a radicalism he was way too smart for. Then factor in that he was the first black president (hell, almost the first non-white protestant) and some people unfortunately — especially those more inclined to black-and-white, even conspiratorial-level thinking — were already on edge even if you did nothing but speak their own words back to them (which he did, most notably with healthcare).

Someday if we keep evolving we’ll perhaps elect great people like this again (across the political spectrum), and perhaps more fully understand them and ourselves.

In the meantime, perhaps a second 1960s rebellion is currently afoot to counteract the still-influencial 1950s.

Barack Obama spoiled us with great intelligence, kindness, courage, and humility. In his quiet absence, Barack revealed recently that he has spent much time pondering this very same question. Was it all too much too fast? Perhaps this great nation would’ve been better served had his presidency taken place 15 or 20 years from now? I think change is not only necessary to evolution but embarrassingly slow. But I remember being somewhat surprised by how much faster things were going over their normal course. Long-overdue gay rights would seem to be the most accelerated of these many accelerations. Poor Barack got it from both ends. He wasn’t nearly progressive enough as some had dreamt in promise, even while he was totally being stonewalled by the opposite force for representing a radicalism he was way too smart for. Then factor in that he was the first black president (hell, almost the first non-white protestant) and some people unfortunately — especially those more inclined to black-and-white, even conspiratorial-level thinking — were already on edge even if you did nothing but speak their own words back to them (which he did, most notably with healthcare). Someday if we keep evolving we’ll perhaps elect great people like this again (across the political spectrum), and perhaps more fully understand them and ourselves. In the meantime, perhaps a second 1960s rebellion is currently afoot to counteract the still-influencial 1950s.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson

This is what you call a bubble. Get out of those bubbles guys. I go after Only for that fact in his right wing one. Liberal bubbles are the same. You all need to read the Paul Street book on Obama. He flays him.

I never said Obama was perfect. You're obsessed with him. And MLK, and Jesse Jackson and Sharpton and any prominant (non-perfect) African-American man not doing what you want them to do. All the while talking about the hood, being the resident Christian and Radical - that's a lot of hats - even for Clint Eastwood. I guess I'll just give up.

Whatever Obama did that you are retro-quarterbacking now, jobs et al, it would be dismantled already or on the block now.

I never said Obama was perfect. You're obsessed with him. And MLK, and Jesse Jackson and Sharpton and any prominant (non-perfect) African-American man not doing what you want them to do. All the while talking about "the hood", being the resident Christian and Radical - that's a lot of hats - even for Clint Eastwood. I guess I'll just give up.

Yep - I concur. And the NC worhsip is just as Bubble-like as anything else.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson

I do not know about that, but what I do know is that you’re trying to bait him to contribute to this thread when he hasn’t shown any interest in it yet. And it is not the first time that you specifically try to get a reaction out of him.

Defend it in which way? Like we had a choice? Like both parties in a bipartisan effort were caught in an emergency catastrophic situation? That a good a portion of the money has been paid back? That backseat quarterbacks look at it in hindsight like they knew shit at the time?

Were you asleep through that too? You are as partisan as OnlyndaUsa and as fervent in your anti-Obama religion.

Do you think things were better before Obama under Bush? Better now with Trump? You can thank Obama for stabilizing the word and the economy that Trump inherited.