During this past weekend’s second annual ComplexCon (where N.E.R.D.’s “reunion” and Tribe’s upcoming Vans collaboration dominated headlines) the duo of LA icons chatted it up in a filmed discussion of what it takes to be the greatest, and how to stay inspired once you’ve reached a pinnacle point.

Kobe likens his early years to current Lamar’s current status as GOAT, head-hunting and taking names to snatch the crown from who or whatever happens to be in his way.