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Old Bailey Proceedings, 9th December 1895.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT

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WILKIN, MAYOR.

SECOND SESSION, HELD DECEMBER 9TH, 1895.

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Held on Monday, December 9th, 1895, and following days.

BEFORE the RIGHT HON. SIR WALTER WILKIN , Knt., LORD MAYOR of the City of London; the Hon. Sir HENRY HAWKINS , Knt., one of the Justices of Her Majesty's High Court; Sir JAMES CLARKE LAWRENCE , Bart., and Sir STUART KNILL , Knt., Aldermen of the said City; Sir CHARLES HALL , Q. C., M. P., K. C. M. G., Recorder of the said City; Lieut.-Col. HORATIO DAVID DAVIES , Esq., Sir JOHN VOCE MOORE, Knt., MARCUS SAMUEL , Esq., JOHN CHARLES BELL , Esq., and FREDERICK PRATT ALLISTON, Esq., other of the Aldermen of the said City; and Sir FORREST FULTON, Knt., Q. C., Common Serjeant of the said City; Her Majesty's Justices of Oyer and Terminer and General Gaol Delivery, holden for the said City, and Judges of the Central Criminal Court.

JOHN POUND , Esq., Alderman.

JOHN ROBERT COOPER , Esq.

Sheriffs.

THOMAS GEORGE BEARD , Esq.

CLARENCE BECKFORD, Esq.

Under-Sheriffs.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.

WILKIN, MAYOR. SECOND SESSION.

A star (*) denotes that prisoners have been previously in custodyâtwo stars (**) that they have been more than once in custodyâa dagger (â ) that they are known to be the associates of bad charactersâthe figures after the name in the indictment denote the prisoner's age.

48. THOMAS WEST (23) and ROBERT BILLINGTON (20) , five indictments for breaking and entering the counting-house of the Midland Railway Company, also two warehouses of the Great Eastern Railway Company, also the warehouse of Wm. Lawrence Robins, and two other warehouses, and stealing therein.

49. GEORGE RICE (42) , to stealing a horse and cart, the property of Henry Taylor, having been convicted at this Court on June 22nd, 1885.

Several other convictions were proved against him.â Eighteen Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

50. CHARLES THOMAS LATRIELLE (24) , to two indictments for stealing, while employed in the Post Office, two letters containing three orders for the payment of money, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster General.â Nine Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

51. CHARLES FRANCIS AINSWORTH (31) , to two indictments for stealing, while employed in the Post Office, two letters containing five Post Office Orders, the property of Her Majesty's Postmaster General.â Twelve Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

52. HENRY JAMES DIXON (23) , to stealing a watch and chain of Gertrude Collins from her person, also to three other indictments for stealing tools, having been convicted at this Court on September 10th, 1894.â Six Years' Penal Servitude. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.] And

(53) WILLIAM THOMAS ROBSON , to marrying Elizabeth Catley, his wife being alive.â Six Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

54. JOHN DUNDERVALE (19) and MICHAEL CALLAGHAN (17) , Unlawfully throwing stones upon the Midland Railway, and endangering the safety of the passengers.

MR. BODKINandMR. BIRONProsecuted.

THOMAS BREELY . I am a police-sergeant of the Midland Railway

Companyâin consequence of complaints, on November 15th I went up the line with two constables, all in plain clothes, and saw the prisoners, whom I did not know before, in a brickfieldâthe 2.31 train from Kentish Town came up about 2.45, and before it passed I saw the prisoners. throwing stones on the line, and when it was passing they each threw a piece of brick at itâthis (produced) is a sample of brick which I picked up on the line immediately afterwardsâthey threw once at the train and two or three times beforeâI got over the fence and they ran awayâthey did not appear to be employed in the brickfield, they were loafing about and gambling; they have been there all the summerâI caught Dundervale and took him to the stationâthe line was covered with pieces of brick.

ARTHUR WILLIAM HALL . I am a constable of the Midland RailwayâI was with Sergeant Breely in this field and saw the prisoners there, they threw three or four stones over the wall and then went to the corner on to the bridge; a train was passing and they both threw stones at itâI told Callaghan I wanted him; he said, "What for?"âI said I would tell him later onâI did not know him before.

WILLIAM LEES . I am a constable of the Midland RailwayâI was with Hall on November 15th in a field next to the line, and saw the prisoners throwing stones on to the line, and they each threw a stone at a passing trainâthey threw straight; there was nothing to prevent the stones going in at the windows.

JOSEPH BARRS . On November 15th I was guard of the 2.25 train from St. Pancras which was passing, between Kentish Town and Haverstock Hill, by this brickfield, shortly after 2.30âthere were passengers in the train.

ARTHUR STRETTON (239 Y). On November 15th, about four o'clock,. the two prisoners were brought to Kentish Town Station and charged with throwing stones at a passing train; they denied it.

Callaghan's statement before the Magistrate: "I am very sorry for what I am brought up for, but I am not guilty."

Dundervale's defence: "I never done such a thing."

Callaghan's defence: "I am very sorry. I went into the field to ease myself and he caught hold of me."

GUILTY .âThe officers stated that passengers had been injured by stones thrown at the trains, and the telegraph wires broken by bricks. DUNDERVALEâ Six Months' Hard Labour. CALLAGHAN*â Nine Months' Hard Labour.

55. JOHN HUNTON (36) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Evelyn Gray, and stealing a jacket and other articles, her property.

MR. HARDYProsecuted, andMR. PURCELLDefended.

TheJURY, being unable to agree, were discharged without giving any verdict.

56. FARASHI LUIGI (20) , Committing an act of gross indecency.

MR. HUTTONProsecuted.

GUILTY â Three Months' Hard Labour.

NEW COURT.âTuesday, December 10th, 1895.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

57. HENRY HARRIS (17) PLEADED GUILTY to forging and uttering the endorsement to an order for Â£10 also to attempting to obtain Â£10 with intent to defraud, having been convicted at West Londonon February 3rd, 1892.â Nine Months' Hard Labour.

58. JOHN HUNTON (36) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Evelyn Gray, and stealing a jacket and other articles, her property.

MR. HARDYfor the Prosecution stated that as one Jury had disagreed in this case and had been discharged without giving any verdict, he should offer no evidence.â NOT GUILTY .

59. ALFRED ABRAMS (31) , Stealing six gas burners, six chimneys, and six incandescent gas mantles, the property of the Incandescent Gas Company.

MR. GILLProsecuted, andMR. GEOGHEGANDefended.

LEWIS BENDEN (In custody). I was formerly in the prisoner's employment; I am now under sentence at Pentonville, for stealing a diamond pendant which was pawned for Â£5, and got six months at the Police-court on October 12thâon October 10th I wrote a letter to the Incandescent Gas Companyâa gentleman from the Company came to see me and I made a statement to himâI went in to the prisoner's employment as a barber in June and July, 1894âhe has a barber's shop in Mile End RoadâI am a German JewâI stayed till March, 1895âI went back in July and stayed there till I was chargedâat the end of 1894 the prisoner had seven incandescent lamps in the shopâin July, 1895, the prisoner asked the man who used to come from the Company once a fortnight if he had enough wages; I do not know the man's nameâhe said, "What can I do? the company does not pay me any thing more; can you get something for me?"âhe said, "I will see what I can do for you," and he said to me, "When the man comes call me down if I am upstairs"âthe man came again a fortnight afterwards and took out a box containing six burners, four or five mantles, and some chimneys, and the prisoner put them in an electricity box, and gave the man some moneyâwhen the man came the next time he had six mantles and six chimneys, and the prisoner gave him a half-crown, he did not come after thatâthe prisoner purchased mantles and chimneys in 1894 every fortnight, but not burnersâthe prisoner's brother-in-law, Benjamin, a gasfitter, used to come to the shop, and took away in his pocket the things which the maintenance man broughtâthe prisoner gave them to himâthe prisoner used to sell the things to customersâhe said that he got them from a wholesale placeâhe sold some mantles and chimneys to Teddy Dyme, who had a public house next door, and to Mr. Levine, a jeweller, next door to the public-house; also to a tailor, and he fixed a lamp himself at Tobin's, the jeweller's; he knew how to do itâCohen, a tailor, had one lot of these lampsâI did not see the maintenance man after September; I saw the other man, Smith, twiceâthis (produced) is a letter I wrote on January 10th to the manager of the company.

Cross-examined. The prisoner gave me in custody for stealing one of

his pinsâI was also charged with stealing a pin from a customer, taking it out of his tie when I was shaving himâI was also charged with stealing a diamond pendant from a house where I had been sent to shave a sick gentlemanâI do not know whether those are all the charges against me, perhaps you had better find outâthere is nothing elseâfrom November, 1894, to September, 1895, the same maintenance man came every fortnightâI was not in the service the whole time; I was away for two monthsâthe prisoner spoke to the maintenance man about his wages in the summer of 1895 not in 1894, although he was bringing things to him in 1894âI have been in England nearly four yearsâI knew in November, 1894, that my master was doing wrong, and I told a young lady so, but no one elseâI wrote the letter before my sentence; I did not write to them earlier, because I had my own business to look after.

ISAAC COHEN . I am a tailor, of 266 and 268, Mile End Road, close to the prisonerâI had ten incandescent gas lamps in my shop at first, I now have fourteenâthe prisoner sold them to me all but two, I bought everything from him, burners, mantles and chimneysâit was some Friday in OctoberâI gave him a cheque for Â£2 2s. for the first lot, and my cashier paid him 19s. afterwardsâhe did not say where he got them; he showed me a card stating that he was a gas-fitter and electrical engineer.

Cross-examined. He is an electric bell-fitter, and fits up baths, and keeps baths for the use of his customersâI admired the light, and said,. "You may as well fix some for menâtwo of them were fitted with a bycardâI have never seen boxes like these, sold in the street.

JOSEPH DA COSTA . I am a surgeon, of 172, Mile End Roadâon January 1st Mr. Benjamin fitted up four incandescent lamps at my shop on his own accountânone of them have had to be repaired, but I have had one mantle from Mr. Abrams; I sent a boy to him for it; he brought it back, and I paid the prisoner 1s. 3d. for it when he came next day.

EDWARD DYNE . I am a publican, of 168, Mile End Roadânext door to the prisoner; he put up three incandescent lamps for me for trialâI was to pay 12s. 6d. for them if they answered; he did not tell me where he got themâI did not like them.

JOSEPH TOBIN . I am a watchmaker, of 382, Mile End Roadâat the beginning of September the prisoner fitted up two incandescent lamps. at my house; I paid him 12s. 6d. each for themâI have not bought any mantles of him; they have been running since September.

JOHN BARTLETT . I live at Denmark Hill, and am foreman of the mantle department of the Incandescent Gas Companyâthe prisoner was a customer of theirs at 121 Mile End Roadâthey supplied him with two of these lights, burners, mantles, and chimneysâthere was a form of contractânine shillings a year is charged to maintain each light, for which purpose we have a staff of maintenance men who visit customers' houses, some weekly and some fortnightly; they examine the light to see if anything. has to be renewed; they are supplied with mantles and chimneys, but not burners, also with a card for each customer, on which he puts down his visit and the number of mantles and chimneys suppliedâthe card is signed by the customer and should correspond with the number of empty boxes brought backâCooper had that round till towards the end of the year; his last visit was in July, 1895; he was then given a week's holiday, and on the 28th he was discharged for something quite distinct from thisâthese

(produced) are Abrams' cards for August, September, October, etc., they are marked "Two lamps"âCooper was succeeded on his round by Smith, who made a communication to me on October 7th, and I gave him instructions what to do, and on the 31st I arranged for a third person to be in the shopâthe prisoner was arrested on a warrant in Novemberâthe letter from Benden was brought to my knowledge some time after the communication from Smith, who was acting under my instructions beforeâthese burners, lamps, and mantles found at the time of the arrest are the company's property.

Cross-examined. The assistant-manager brought the letter to my noticeâI have only been in the company's service since July 22ndâI do not know whether these mantles are made of clay from Brazilâif you suggest that they are worth 2d. each I cannot contradict youâI know this mantle case because I marked it with red ink before I took it to the Magistrateâthere are other incandescent gas companiesâthe employees of the company may buy for themselves, but are not allowed to sell to anybody elseâI said at the Police-court, "The employees of the company have not now the privilege of selling at a discount; the practice was discontinued twelve months ago; there is a man at the stores to give the mantles out, and they are booked when they are returned."

EDWARD JAMES SMITH . I am a maintenance man in the employ of this company; I took up Cooper's round after his discharge, a fortnight, I think, previous to October 3rdâI have now been with the company four or five monthsâI visited 166, Mile End Road, at the end of September, and again on October 3rdâI had a card with me showing that I was to attend to two lamps in the windowâI am supplied with chimneys and mantlesâwhen I went on October 3rd the prisoner said, "What has become of the other man?"âI said, "Which man do you mean? we have so many"âhe said, "Cooper"âI said, "Cooper is not working for our people now"âhe said, "Cooper used to leave me some mantles, I used to pay him 4d. each for them, can you do the same?"âI said, "I will see what I can do"âhe said, "If you get any stuff call in the morning time, if you can," and that he could do with a couple of dozenâI reported what had occurred to Bartlett the foreman, and received his instructionsâI understood that the suggestion was that I should steal themâI reported it at the first opportunity on Monday, October 7thâI went again in the ordinary course on October 17th, and the prisoner said, "Have you got the stuff for me?"âI said, "No, I have not, I got wet and have been laid up eight or nine days, so I have not been able to get any stuff"âI communicated with Mr. Bartlett on the 18thâon October 31st I went again to the prisoner's house, but did not know that a man was going to follow me into the shopâwhen I entered the prisoner said, "I don't know whether to call you lazy, you have got here, have you got that stuff for me?"âI said, "I have got none with me, but I have got a dozen or so by me; by-the-way, I have seen Cooper and he told me you gave him 5d. for each mantle"âhe said, "Cooper gave me some chimneys with the mantles, I will pay you 5d. if you will let me have some chimneys with the mantles; I must have two to-night or four in the morning for certain. I have plenty of empty mantle boxes, and with me it is as sound as iron"âhe was in the shop; I gave him the card to signâhe said, "You have used

nothing; put down one mantle on the card; give me the mantle and I will sign for it"âI said, "I cannot do that; I have another job to do, and do not know what stuff I might want; if I have got any to spare I will call in as I come back"âI had not used any mantleâI do not know how many lights he had in other parts of the house, but I asked him what he did about the others; he said, "I maintain them myself."

Cross-examined. There is a name on the collar of the burners, and on some of the chimneysâLane went in with me; I believe he is a detectiveâhe was an absolute stranger to me, and Abrams did not know himâhe was two or three yards from meâit is a tidy-sized shopâthere was a man in a corner nursing a childâeverybody in the shop could not hear him say, "Have you got the stuff?" because he came up to meâI stood on a pair of steps at the window, and at some parts of the conversation Abrams stood on a chair to speak to me.

FREDERICK JAMES LANE . I am an inquiry officer in the employ of the companyâin consequence of instructions from Mr. Bartlett on October 31st, I followed Smith into the defendant's shop and sat on the second chair from the windowâI could not hear all that was saidâAbrams said to Smith, "Have you got that stuff for me?"âhe said, "No, I have not; but I have got a dozen or so by me; by-the-way, I have seen Cooper, and he says that you always gave him 5d. for the mantles?"âthe prisoner said, "Very well; I will give you 5d. each if you will give me some chimneys as well. I must have two to-night or four to-morrow morning for certainâSmith said, "I am going further up the road, and if I have anything left I will look in as I come back"âwhen Smith had finished attending to the lights he handed the card to Abrams, who said, "You have no mantle on the card"âSmith said, "No, nothing has been used"âAbrams said, "Put one mantle down, give me the mantle, and I will sign for it"âa young man shaved me, but in reality I was listening to what I could hearâI then got upâI was about a foot and a half from him; I got quite close to him.

Cross-examined. I have been about seven months in the company's serviceâI swore this: "I know agents supply these mantles in large quantities; I have heard that they are sometimes pedlared"âthat means hawked about in the streetâI never said, "I have seen burners advertised in the Exchange and Mart, but that is an infringement"âI said. "I have heard that fitters of mantles used to buy at a discount"âI heard, in my capacity of an inquiry officer, that they were hawked about the streets.

ALBERT HARRISON (Detective Sergeant H). On November 7th, I went to 156, Mile End Road, and saw the prisonerâI told him I had a warrant for his arrest, which I read to him; he said, "I have the receipts for all I have,"âhe did not say from whomâI then read the search warrant to himâhe said, "Leave it till ten o'clock;"âI said, "I cannot do that"âten o'clock was about closing time, and it was then between five and sixâI left him in Harvey's charge and commenced to search, and in a chiffonier drawer in the front room first floor I found these four burners (produced) and two mica chimneys in a small room on the first floorâI sent them downstairs by Detective ClarkâI went down and saw Detective Smart in the shop where the other two burners were, and one chimney, two mantles, three mica tops, three or four small cardboard boxes, and this mantle rod, which is to keep

the mantle in its proper positionâPearce said to the prisoner, "How do you account for these?" he made no reply, but took this burner up and examined it, and put it down againâI took him to the stationâhe was charged, and said nothingâon November 22nd, at Arbour Square Station, I charged him with receiving burners, mantles, and other articles, the property of the Incandescent Companyâhe said nothing then, but when the charge was read over to him, he said, "Not burners, only chimneys and mantles; he never carried burners."

Cross-examined. He was first charged with inciting a man to stealâthat was complete on the second hearing, and the solicitor said that he intended to prefer a second charge of receiving, and he was taken out of the dock into the charge roomâhe spoke English.

THOMAS SMART (Detective H). I took part in the arrest and the searchâwhen the things were placed on the table I said to the prisoner, "How do you account for these?"âhe made no answerâhe was taken to the station.

J. BARTLETT (Re-examined). The present price of these burners is 9s., and when they are fitted with mantles 11s., and the mica chimneys 1s. 6d.; they have been reduced for the last three monthsâthese mica tops are cheap.

Cross-examined. I mean 9s. to the general public, an agent gets 25 or 30 per cent. discountâmantles are not sold at 7d., they are sold at ls. 3d. to agents.

CHARLES WATSON . I am head salesman and showman to this company at Farmer StreetâI have been there three and a-half years, and am well acquainted with the prices.

Cross-examined. Fitters and employees of the company are allowed 30 per cent., even to sell to other peopleâI do not know whether the mantles are made in Germany or in Brazilâother mantles are in the market similar to these and sold at 1s. to 1s. 6d., but not lower than oursâI do not know where mantles can be obtained for 4d.; I should like to buy them.

By theCOURT. They are sent to this country in an unprepared condition, and the secret process is performed in this country by our own chemist.

Witness for the Defence.

LAWRENCE DENNETT . I live at 41, Hart Street, Bloomsbury, and am agent to the Incandescent Gas Company of Palmer StreetâI keep a shop for supplying retail customersâI first sold the prisoner seven burners on credit at his shop at a net figure; I am not allowed discountâthey cost me 1s., and I sell them at 1s. 3d. to ordinary shopkeepers, and if anybody brings a card to me they get them at 1s. 1d.âI never met with any at 4d.âI have never received 40 per cent. discount from the companyâI never got anything for less than 1s., but if I had wanted them I understand I could have got them about half price; the burners and mantles were, I believe, subject to a discount of 50 per cent., they then might be sold by an employee at 7 1/2 d.âif employes saw the manager and said that they were going to introduce a good customer, they might be allowed a discountâI do not know whether people buy lamps which have been usedâI moved 120 mantles at a ball which had only been burned one nightâif they had been burnt some time they would

fall to piecesâI have heard of their being sold by a person who is going to disuse them, but I have not bought them or priced themâthey are advertised second-hand sometimes, and can be re-lacquered.

Cross-examined. I supplied him with seven lampsâI never maintain lampsâhe has had several ready-money transactions with us besidesâI do not know Cooperâthe original price was 17s.âit has been introduced about two years.

Re-examined. I cannot say that I have known the prisoner, but I have had dealings with him over a yearâhe has bought lamps and burners of meâthere are incandescent gas companies who are alleged to have infringed the patentâwe only sell these.

FLORENCE WILSON . On February 22nd, between twelve and one p.m., I was walking along Wilton Road, from Victoria, and saw the prisoner, whom I knew by sightâshe had threatened me at six o'clock, and said that she meant to do for me before the night was out, and at twelve o'clock she came behind me and put something into my eye, I do not know whether it was an umbrella or whatâI was taken to an hospital and my eye had to be removedâshe is an unfortunate woman.

Cross-examined by the prisoner. I only know you by sight, but I know you are the terror of VictoriaâI did not spit in your faceâit was you who did it.

SIDNEY TIPPETT . I am senior house surgeon at Westminster HospitalâI examined the last witness on her admission; her right eye was split open and utterly destroyed; it could have been done by a fist or by any instrumentâthe eye had to be removed to prevent the other being affectedâit must have been a very violent blow.

THOMAS STANLEY (59 B). On February 22nd I saw Wilson quarrelling with the prisoner; Wilson complained that the prisoner was following herâI requested the prisoner to desist; she went a short distance and said, "You bââ, I will wait for you; I will do for you before the night is over."

Cross-examined. It was not you who spoke to me, it was Wilsonâyou were dressed in a brown three-quarter cloak and a hat.

ARTHUR ALLEN (Policeman). I arrested the prisoner on November 1stâon the way to the station she said, "On the day of the quarrel the girl who has lost her eye came and pushed against me, and called me a dirty thief."

Prisoner's Defence: The prosecutrix came up to me at 4.30, and spat in my face. I pushed her away, and spoke to a policeman, and walked up the road. She went to hit me again, and I knocked her hand up, and the man she was with said, "Don't touch her again; see the state she is in." I did not go away on that account; I went away to be confined.

ARTHUR ALLEN (Re-examined). When I arrested the prisoner she had been a week in time place she was coming fromâthe warrant was issued

on March 1st, but though I made every inquiry, I could not find herâshe was confined in April.

MR. MORESBYfor the prosecution stating that he had no evidence of the wife being alive at the time of the second marriage, offered no evidence, and theJURYfound the prisoner

NOT GUILTY .

62. WILLIAM STANLEY (20) PLEADED GUILTY to obtaining a horse by false pretences from Frank Blagrave, after a previous conviction in 1894.â Ten Months' Hard Labour.

63. JOHN SLACK (43) , to a burglary in the dwelling-house of Ernest Clark, and stealing a pair of opera glasses and other articles; also to a conviction in June, 1891. Four other convictions were proved against him.â Twelve Months' Hard Labour. [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]

64. CHARLES OWEN (17) and THOMAS RAY (17) , to a burglary in the dwelling-house of Julia Cavendish, and stealing a watch, and other articles. Two previous convictions were proved against Owen, and three against Ray.

65. HENRY SPILLER (46) , Unlawfully writing and publishing a false and defamatory libel of and concerning Agnes Noble Stewart Pakenham, with intent to extort money from her; another Count, for writing and publishing a false and defamatory libel on John Pakenham.

MR. C. F. GILL, on behalf of the prosecution, offered no evidence.

NOT GUILTY .

66. SAMUEL HERBERT DOUGALL (48) , Forging and uttering an order for the payment of Â£35, with intent to defraud.

MR. LAWLESSProsecuted, andMR. LEYCESTERDefended at the request of theCOURT.

VISCOUNT FRANKFORT DE MONTMORENCY . I am a Major General, Commanding the Forces in the Dublin Districtâduring the whole of this year I have been signing documents that go through Kilmainham HospitalâI do not recognise the prisonerâI have an account at Cox's bankâI did not sign this cheque, or give any authority to sign itâI was looking over my pass-book, and found this entry, and I communicated with Cox's, and they sent me this cheque.

Cross-examined. This cheque is simply signed "Frankfort"âthat is how I generally sign cheques, and all army documentsâit is not at all a good imitation of my signature; it resembles it in a sort of wayâthe forged cheque has "Frankfort," with "Major-General" underneathâI generally sign, "Frankfort, Major-General."

BERNARD HENNEGHAN . I am superintending clerk in the office of the Royal Hospital, Kilmainhamâthe prisoner was in employment there up to September 24th this yearâon that day he was suspended, and subsequently dischargedâduring the early part of the year, and unti

September 24th, he was daily on duty there as a messengerâColonel Childers had a room in the establishment; the prisoner had access to itâColonel Childers is now called away on foreign service; he was Assistant Military SecretaryâI have been in and out of his room; I have seen a cheque-book in the drawer, on the right hand side of his table as he sat thereâI have seen the prisoner in and out of that roomâI have frequently seen the prisoner write; I know his writingâthis list "G" is in his writing,âI brought it from Dublinâin the middle of the list is the word GreenfieldâI believe that the writing on this cheque and the endorsements on these bank notes" J. H. Greenfield, Ballymena," is in the prisoner's writingâthe word Greenfield in this diary is in the same writingâall the writing in the diary is the prisoner's.

Cross-examined. This list would come into my hands in connection with my ordinary business in the hospitalâthe prisoner kept a list of all letters despatched by Lord Wolseley; this is part of the listâI know nothing of the prisoner's career before he came to the HospitalâI have seen Colonel Childers use his cheque-bookâI cannot say that the cheque-book produced is the same one.

FREDERICK WILLIAM HODGES . I am a cashier at Messrs. Cox and Co.'s Bank, Charing CrossâLord Frankfort of Montmorency, and Mr. Childers and Mrs. Childers, are customers of oursâthis cheque-book was issued in September, 1890, to Mrs. Childersâno cheque has been drawn according to this since November, 1890âfour cheques and counterfoils are missing from the bookâthis forged cheque comes from this bookâthe forged cheque was produced to me on October 16th by a manâI cannot identify the prisonerâa month afterwards at the Police-court he was put among other persons for identificationâI picked him out as a man of that build, but I could not speak positively to himâon October 16th the man took the cheque from his pocket, and on unfolding it he tore itâI asked him to stick it together, giving him a piece of gummed paper for the purpose, and to write "accidentally torn," and sign it, and he did soâI cashed the cheque by three Â£10 notes, KI 74333, 74334, 74335, and Â£5 in goldâI cashed the cheque about 2.30.

Cross-examined. It was an open chequeâit had been already endorsed in the name of Greenfield, which was unnecessaryâI should have cashed it if it had not been endorsedâI have had several years' experience in writing, constantly having to examine signaturesâit did not strike me that the endorsement and the body of the cheque were in the same writing; if it had, I should have had no option about paying it, it being payable to bearerâit might have occurred to me if I had noticed a resemblance that the "Frankfort" might be forged; but I considered the signature Frankfort was not in the ordinary writing of the person who wrote GreenfieldâI think there is a similarity between the writings, but it did not strike me at the time.

Re-examined. There are several letters that seem to be formed in the same way, and I should be very much surprised if the face and endorsement were not in the same handâthe body of the cheque is written in a feigned hand, I believe, and therefore it must be studied before you can see the similarity.

By theJURY. Whoever got it cashed could have had all the money in

goldâit is not usual to take such an amount all in goldâall our chequebooks are made out with twenty-five and fifty cheques, and four have been torn out from the end of this.

WILLIAM PERCY LAWRENCE . I am a cashier in the Bank of England Issue Departmentâthese three Â£10 notes were cashed there on October 16th by me, about three o'clock, towards the close of the day, which is four o'clockâa man cashed themâI do not identify the prisonerâthe man wrote his name and address on the back of the notes when requested to do so.

Cross-examined. We always require the endorsement, but a man presenting a note for gold would not be bound to endorse it: if he refused to endorse it we should cash the note just the sameâvery few do refuse, and they do it more for a joke, I think.

FLORENCE TAPP . I am an assistant in the boot department of the Civil Service Supply Association, Bedford Streetâon October 16th, about five o'clock I made out this bill for boots and shoes for a man who was rather big; he gave me the address: Mrs. Dougall, 2, Liffey Street, Inchecore, Dublinâthe boots and shoes were to be sent thereâI put it on the bill.

By theCOURT. I was asked if I could recognise the person on November 14thâI do not recognise the prisoner's features but he is about the same size as the man who bought the boots and shoesâI have hundreds of transactions daily, mostly with ladies.

Cross-examined. This bill produced is the one I should give to the customer, who would take itâno invoice would be sent with the goods.

CHARLES RICHARDS (Inspector C. I. D. Scotland Yard). About four o'clock on November 12th, I went with two sergeants of the Irish Police to the prisoner's house in Prosperous Village, Co. Kildare, with a warrant for his apprehensionâwe saw the prisonerâone of the sergeants said to him "Your name is Dougall"âthe prisoner said "Yes"âthe sergeant said "I arrest you on a warrant for forging and uttering a cheque"âthe prisoner said "All right"âI said "Dougall, I am an Inspector from Scotland Yard, if you listen I will read the warrant to you"âI read the warrantâhe made no replyâfive minutes after, while I was searching the house, he said "Who is bringing the charge?"âI said "Messrs. Cox and Co.; it is for forging the signature of Lord Frankfort to a cheque"âhe said, "All right"âI afterwards brought him to Londonâwhen charged at Bow Street, he made no replyâon searching his house I found this diary, this receipt for payment for shoes on the billhead of the Civil Service Supply Association, and this brown paper bag with seventeen sovereigns in itâat the Police-court I put him with eight othersâfrom the diary a piece under the date October 17th is carefully cut outâI found letters at his house addressed to him at 2, Liffey Street, Inchecore, Dublin, and dated October 22nd, 1895âthe entry in the diary on October 16th is, "At home most of day, went into town and made a few small purchases; called in at the Institute and looked at the papers"âthat part under the 17th which is not cut out is, "Attended Masonic Lodge in evening with Brother Shore; no business"âthere is a note in the diary on October 25th, 1895, "Paid rent 3s., and gave notice to leave 2, Lifley Street on the following Friday."

Cross-examined. I found his papers showing that he had served twenty-one years seventeen days in the Army; he had reached the rank

of Quartermaster-Sergeantâhis pension was 2s. 9d. a day, payable quarterly on and from January 1stâone quarter would be payable on October 1st; on October 3rd Â£12 11s. 1d. is entered in the diary as having been received.

W. P. LAWRENCE (Re-examined). This brown paper bag is identical with those we give out, but I am not prepared to say that I gave this to the prisonerâother bankers use bags of this sortâthey are very commonly used for keeping gold in.

THOMAS HENRY GURRIN . I am a professional expert in handwriting of 59, Holborn ViaductâI have had before me this cheque, this list of names and addresses, the diary, and the bank-notesâI believe that all the writing on the cheque, the body, the signature, and the endorsement, is by the same personâI believe there is an attempt to imitate the signature of Lord Frankfortâit is an imperfect imitationâin my belief these writings are by the same person. (The witness pointed out various similarities.) I have had nearly twelve years' experience in comparing handwriting.

Cross-examined. I was consulted after the matter was before the magistrate, I believeâI know it was suggested that the cheque was forgedâit may have been suggested that it had been forged by the writer of the other papers shown to meâit would have made no difference to meâI have frequently been consulted in criminal cases before, and appeared as a witness for the prosecutionâsometimes juries have disagreed with me, but not very often; I think in about three cases out of about 800 in eleven years, and it does not mean that in those three cases they meant to diametrically oppose me, because sometimes my evidence requires corroborationâI have not changed my opinion with regard to those three cases.

GUILTY.â Strongly recommended to mercy by the JURY on account of his previous good character.INSPECTOR RICHARDSstated that the case of another forged cheque was under consideration by the Irish Police. TheRECORDERstated he should postpone sentence, in order that it might be ascertained if this was an isolated case against the prisoner.âJudgment Respited.

67. HUGH ALLEN (52) PLEADED GUILTY to unlawfully obtaining money by false pretences from various persons with intent to defraud.

Nine Months' Hard Labour.

OLD COURT.âTuesday, December 10th, 1895.

Before Mr. Recorder.

68. ARTHUR WILLIAMS PLEADED GUILTY to stealing 12 1/2 yards of cloth of Frederick Burmister and others, and to a previous conviction in September, 1893, in the name of William Howlett.â Twelve Months' Hard Labour.

69. JOHN SCAIFE (33) and HANNAH REEVES were indicted for unlawfully conspiring to prevent the due course of law and justice.

ALBERT HILL . I am a ticket collector in the employ of the London and North Western Railway Company at Willesden Junction; that is

the station where all tickets are taken by trains coming south, not at Eustonâin consequence of instructions I had previously received, on September 27th I kept careful watch of the trains coming from Northampton train leaving Northampton at 11.11 would arrive at Willesden at 12.23âI was on the platform when that train arrived; I was standing at the front portion of the train when it pulled upâas soon as it did so I went at once to a fireâclass compartment to the next coach to the engine, to which a lavatory was attachedâthere was an inner door leading to that lavatoryâI found no one in the compartment, or any luggageâI went to the door of the lavatory and knocked; I got no answerâI knocked again, and the door was opened about six inches, and I saw a gentleman there sitting on the seat of the closet; the upper flap was closed; that is solidâhis dress was not disarranged, he had an overcoat on and had a bag by his side and an umbrellaâon seeing the gentleman I begged his pardon, and closed the doorâI did not go into any other compartment before the train leftâI went just outside the compartment and waited outsideâno person could leave the compartment without my knowledgeâhe train went on to Euston; no one got outâI got into the next compartment and went on to Eustonâthat would be about a twelve minutes' runâI there saw Scaife get out of the compartmentâI recognised him at once as the same person I had seen in the lavatoryâhe went towards the exit of the stationâI followed himâI was in uniformâhe turned round, and asked me if I was the same man that knocked at the lavatory door at WillesdenâI said, "Yes, sir. Have you got your ticket?"âhe said, "No; take 9s. 4d. out of that," offering me a half-sovereignâ9s. 4d. was the amount of a first-class fare between London and NorthamptonâI said "No; I cannot take your fare now. Will you come upstairs with me?"âthat was the place where the Company's police have an officeâKynaston was the detective in charge thereâin Scaife's presence I narrated the whole of the circumstances I have stated to Kynastonâfrom that time whatever conversation took place was between Kynaston and Scaifeâwhen the train arrived at Willesden no one got out of the compartment before I got to it, nor did anyone get into itâI am quite sure no woman got out of the compartment.

Cross-examined by Scaife. I could net tell you if, in my evidence at the Police-court on 11th October I stated that no lady got outâif I had been asked the question I should have answeredâthere are about twenty ticket-collectors at Willesden, but by this train there were about four or fiveâI was standing on the platform; I had not been stationed there expresslyâI was waiting to see the train run in from NorthamptonâI should not enter the tickets; someone else would enter themâin collecting, the collectors would take the front and rear of the train first, and work up to the centreâsometimes we collect more than 100 ticketsâI did not collect any tickets from that trainâthe first coach was nearest the engineâthere was another collector in front of meâthe first coach stopped just opposite meâthe two first compartments were locked, they are always kept lockedâthe lavatory was nearest the door on the left; as I got into the compartmentâwhen I opened the door I saw youâI only said, "I beg your pardon"; I did not ask you for your ticketâwhen I got out I went into the next compartment and went on to Euston; there

you got out and walked four or five yards on, and you met some official and spoke to him; I don't know what you said to him or he to you; I did not warn you that anything you said would be given in evidence against youâwhen I saw Kynaston I referred you to himâI said, "This party was in the lavatory," and I told him the whole case; and you wanted him to take the moneyâyou gave your business addressâthe bag you had was a small one, about nine or ten inches long; I don't know what it contained.

Cross-examined byMR. MATHEWS. There is a train that leaves Northampton at 10.40 a.m. and arrives at Euston at 11.58; the next train leaves Northampton at 11.11; that arrives at Willesden at 12.23.

ByMR. NOBLE. I was not acting under instructions when I said, "I beg your pardon"; I had not received any instructions, I was acting on my own judgment.

HENRY SAMUEL KYNASTON . I am a detective officer in the employ of the London and North Western Railway Companyâwe have an office at Eustonâon September 27th I was in charge there about 12.45; Scaife was brought in by Hill who related to me what had happenedâI then said to the prisoner, "You have heard what the collector has said, "he said, "Yes, that is perfectly true"âhe took out of his pocket a half-sovereign and said, "Take 9s. 4d. out of that," putting it on the desk at which I was sittingâI told him I could not accept of it, as it had been refused by the collectorâhe replied, "Go on, take 9s. 4d. out of that"âI told him again I could not accept it; I then asked him for his name and address, which he gave as John Scaife, 7, Mincing LaneâI asked him for his private address, which he refused to giveâI asked him if he had anything in his possession to show that that was his name and addressâhe then produced from his pocket a memorandum, with John Scaife, 7, Mincing Lane, on it, and when leaving the office he said, "I will see someone who will accept the fare"âhe again asked me to accept it, which I refusedâI immediately communicated with the officials at Northampton Station by telegraphâon Monday, November 11th, upon instructions, I went to 42, Mount Place, Burdett Road, Deptiord, about 12, and watched the houseâat 12.30 I saw Scaife leave that houseâI had been in Court when Reeves gave her address as 42, St. Paul's Road, and also the address of the Isle of Manâon December 5th I was present when the lad Woodhouse was examined, I heard him give the address of a photographer, Mr. Wright, 81, High Street, WhitechapelâI went there about 1.20, and saw the manager; I made a communication to him, and he handed me this negativeâafter that I kept watch on the shop, and about 2.20 I saw Mrs. Reeves with two other females and two males, at that shop.

Cross-examined by Scaife. On December 27th you did not say under protest, where you slept last nightâyou did not say you had taken the ticket at NorthamptonâI did not tell you that anything you said would be used in evidence against you.

Cross-examined byMR. MATHEWS, I could not say that the party went into the photographer's shop on December 5th, I saw them leave; they came into the shopâI could not swear that they came out of the shopâtwo of the women came out, not threeâone of the men also came out of the shopâMrs. Reeves was one of the two womenâone woman was

outside; she remained outsideâI am quite certain that Reeves was one who came outâthe man that came out was a person I had seen come on that morning; he had on a tall hat and wore a moustache, otherwise clean shaved; he was a fair man; as far as I know he had nothing to do with Mr. Palmerâthe women were under my observation about twenty minutes altogetherâthey remained outside for some time, and then went on; they did not go away together, they partedâthe two men left, and the females proceeded by themselves.

Re-examined. I was at the Marylebone Police-court on every occasionâI saw Reeves there as a witness for the defenceâI saw him in the dockâI had seen Reeves about the Court that dayâI knew her perfectly wellâI had seen the man I have spoken of in company with Reeves' sister and a person outside the Court.

JOHN FREEMAN LATIMER . I am manager to William Wright, a photographer of 81, High Street, Whitechapel RoadâI remember Scaife coming there on 10th Octoberâhe showed me a railway ticket, it was a return half from London to NorthamptonâI did not make a note of the date of it, but I have the negative in my pocket which shows me the dateâhe asked me if I could make him a copy, and do it at once as it was for a legal purposeâI called my photographer down, and I went on with the work and got a copy of his ticketâit looked like a half-ticketâhe gave me his name as Scaifeâhe paid eighteen-pence for it and took it away the following morningâI entered the order at the timeâabout eleven on December 5th Kynaston came, and I gave him the negativeâshortly afterwards, two ladies came, I fancy the lady in the dock is one of them, she was accompanied by a gentlemanâthe gentleman came in first and the lady followedâthe gentleman just started to explain who he wasâhe said he was Freke Palmer, or that he came from Freke Palmer, I do not recollect which; he asked me if I recollected photographing this railway ticketâI said "Yes."âhe said "I have come for the negative"âI said "You are too late, I have just given it to a gentleman an hour ago, I can show you a duplicate negative"âI showed it to himâI had taken two negatives in case of one being badâhe said it did not matter, and they went awayâI heard him remark to the ladies "It does not matter much."

Cross-examined by Scaife. There was no concealment in your approaching me and asking me to photograph the ticket. I have had no occasion to recollect what the ticket was for, since December 5thâI remember remarking to you "How very strange, this is my native town Northampton." I think I could swear that it was a ticket from Northampton to LondonâI had not forgotten it until Pearson cameâI would not swear it was not a ticket from Euston to NorthamptonâI photographed the back of it, not the front, I read the ticketâthe back was a plain ticket with a date on it.

Cross-examined byMR. MATHEWS. I think the man who came for the negative said "I have come from Mr. Freke Palmer for itâI had never seen the two women or the man beforeâthey were there for five or six minutesâI say I fancy the prisoner Reeves was one of the women; that is as far as I can go.

HENRY WITHERINGTON . I am a clerk to the Magistrate sitting at Marylebone Police CourtâI took this note, with the exception of about

ten lines taken by my colleague, Mr. Tate, the chief clerk, of the evidence given by the defendant, Hannah Reeves, on October 25th, on the hearing of a summons against John Scaife for travelling on the railway without a ticketâI know Mr. Tate's writingâshe gave her address as Douglas, Isle of Manâ"On September 26th I went to Northampton on business. I came back on the next day with the defendant (Scaife). I went down with my sister. I stayed at the Temperance Hotel, and the defendant at the Black Boy. I saw him there, and he complained about his health. It was arranged that we should return together the next day. Mr. Scaife took the tickets; he went to the booking-office and returned. He handed me my ticket, and went back to the ticket-office again. I returned with him to London, accompanied by another lady. Willesden was, I think, the first stop. The defendant got out with me there to see me into a cab. Before we got to Willesden the defendant gave me a ticket, and I returned it, because it was not the one I required. It was a return, and mine was a single. He gave me then a single ticket. At Willesden he gave it to the ticket collector, and gave his up too. After seeing me into a cab he went into the station. On the way he went into the lavatory.

Cross-examined: I had to be on the platform at 10.30; the train was before eleven, between 10.30 and eleven. I swear I travelled by that train with the defendant. I did not see the number of the ticket; I believe it was dated September 27th. I saw the defendant taking it to the ticket collector; he said he was going to see me into a cab. I generally travel first class. The defendant took the ticket. I did not pay him for it. He paid my fare down and my sister's. We travelled first class.

Re-examined: I went down to Northampton to buy a business of which the defendant was the liquidator"âon October 11th and 25th Horace Woodhouse or Woodward was examinedâon the 11th he said, "I am the defendant's clerk. On September 27th the defendant came in and showed me half a return ticket"âon the 25th he was cross-examined and said, "At two o'clock in the afternoon the defendant came to the office and said he expected some bother, and asked me to notice the number and date of the ticket. I swear it was the 27th; the number was 3617. I made a note, now produced, at the time of the particulars of the ticket. I saw Inspector Pearson on the Monday or Tuesday after the 27th. I did not tell him my employer had not been at his office on the 27th. Pearson did not, I think, ask me had he been there on the 27th. I am sure he did not. The defendant was at his office from 2 o'clock till 2.30 on the afternoon of the 27th.

Re-examined: This is. a photograph of the half-ticket the defendant showed me. The defendant told me to take particular note of the day, and told me what occurred at Euston and Willesden"âI did not see where this note came from; these are the Magistrate's initials, and the document was referred to in the evidence.

Cross-examined by Scaife. When Reeves said, "On the way he went into the lavatory" I should say that did not mean on the way from Northampton to LondonâI remember my notes clearly, and the connection in which the words were used does not quite bear that out; she describes your escorting her to a cab at Willesden, and in that connection she says you went into the lavatory on the way, so that she must have meant it was on the way from the train at Willesden to the exitâas far

as I remember she said nothing about the lavatory of the railway carriage.

FREDERICK KULOW . I am usher at the Marylebone Police-courtâit is my duty to administer the oath to witnessesâon October 25th Mr. Curtis Bennett was sitting there as MagistrateâI remember perfectly well the summons against Scaife for travelling without a ticketâI remember Hannah Reeves coming up on October 25th to give evidenceâI administered the oath to her in the Magistrate's presence, and she then gave her evidence.

JOHN THOMAS STANNION . I am a booking clerk to the London and North Western Railway Company at Northamptonâon September 27th I was on duty from 6 a.m. till 4.37 p.m.âas tickets are issued I record the number of the first ticket for each train on a slate by my side, and then I record the first and last numbers for that particular train in the bookâwith each train I begin a fresh number on the slateâI end my entries for the day at 3.37 p.m., and any tickets issued after 3.37 are recorded in the book as of the following dayâI was issuing tickets on September 27th, between 4 and 4.37 p.m.âI find by this book that between 4.5 and 4.37, a first-class return ticket, No. 3,617, was issued from Northampton to Euston and backâthe date would be upon the back, "SE., 27, 95," as shown in this photographâno first-class single tickets were issued from Northampton to Willesden or Euston on September 27thâno other first-class return ticket from Northampton to Euston was issued on that day except No. 3,617, which was the only first-class ticket issued to London on that day.

Cross-examined by Scaife. Except this book I have no means of confirming my statement as to when a ticket was issued; but I have also the summary, showing the total number of ticketsâthe tickets are kept in tubes; when we take one out the next one is brought forthâno one is allowed in the booking office except the clerks on duty, and those who come in for business purposesânewspaper boys might come there for changeâa newspaper boy would not be allowed to go anywhere near the ticketsâif he were to push a ticket in there would be the record on the slate, and we should see it after the train had goneâthe booking office is about half the size of this courtâwe do not issue tickets before six a.m., only for excursion trainsâthere is nothing on the ticket, except the number, to indicate what time of day it was issuedâthe numbers are consecutiveâeach clerk has a particular markâmy fellow clerk's mark is a straight bar; my mark is a crossâat the first-class press probably my mark would be a bar, as the first class press is occasionally not alteredâtwo other clerks were on duty that dayâI issued all the first and second class tickets to London between 6 and 4.37 that day; when the other clerks were on no other first or second class tickets were issuedâI was booking with two marks that day, I think, because the mark of the first class press is of ten not altered; there are so few tickets issued at itâwe alter the date over-night; the mark is altered as we go off and on dutyâI went off duty at 9.20 for breakfast, and then I altered my mark at the third class press; when I came back at 10.15 I altered my mark again at whatever press I was booking atâmy mark was a cross all dayâI should not say all the first and second class tickets I issued were

marked with a cross, all the third class tickets wereâticket 3,617 was marked with either a bar or a cross.

Re-examined. The tickets are sent to us in a tube, with consecutive numbers, and one ticket comes out at a timeâif they were tampered with by boys we could tell directly we began to make up the figures.

ROBERT HARRIS . I am a ticket collector on the London and North Western Railway Company at Northampton Stationâon September 27th I was on duty from 10.30 a.m. till 10.30 p.m.âat that time I knew Scaife quite well by sight; I had frequently seen him at Northampton Stationâabout the middle of the day I received instructions from my stationmaster, in consequence of which I kept special watch at the exit doorâa train left Euston at 2.45 and was timed to arrive at Northampton at 4.17; it arrived about that timeâI saw Scaife coming from that train towards my exit gateâhe gave up a single third class ticket from London to Northampton and passed through the exit doorâI did not see which way he went then.

Cross-examined by Scaife. I did not know your name thenâI don't remember the date I first gave evidenceâI went several times to the Police-courtâI think I did not give evidence when you were charged with travelling without paying your fareâI received instructions to keep watch about mid-day on 27th by this telegram from Euston before you arrived:â"John Scaife detected travelling without ticket from Northampton 11.11 to-day May tender fare at Northampton Have staff instructed not to collect Clear case"âno fare was tenderedâI went to dinner that day about two o'clock and returned at threeâI have no memory of anyone pointing you out to me on November 2ndâI have a defective memory at times, perhaps; I should not call it a bad memoryâa great number of persons pass me in a dayâI remember taking from you a single third-class ticket from Euston to NorthamptonâI do not produce itâI was not asked to report whether any ticket from Euston had been given up that dayâwhen I was told your name I told what I knew of the case, and of your giving up the ticket to meâI did not know you by name at the timeâI found out what your name was before I spoke of that ticket.

MARY ANN DOWNING . I am the wife of William Downing, the landlord of the Black Boy Hotel, NorthamptonâScaife has been in the habit for some time previous and subsequent to September 27th of staying at our hotelâI keep this book, which has counterfoils showing what each account is for and the amountâI remember Scaife being at the hotel in SeptemberâI find an entry, in my writing, in this book on September 26th of John Scaife, and on the 27th, there are charges against him for breakfast and teaâthe tea item is 1s. 6d., which would be for tea, bread and butter, and cold meat or eggs, a mealâthat would not be at eleven a. m.; I could not say the timeâhe was charged for bed on the 26th and then breakfast and tea on the 27thâhe did not sleep there that night, the Fridayâhe had breakfast, and then, so far as I can tell, he came back and had tea at some time in the afternoon, but did not sleep that night, according to my bookâhe did not sleep there again till 5th October; the bill was still runningâon 16th October he settled the bill, which contained the charge of 1s. 6d. for tea on September 27thâhe made no demur to that charge that I am aware ofâhe paid my daughterâI should have heard if anything was wrongâthe bill was paid.

Cross-examined by Scaife. The bill came to Â£2 0s. 6d.âI received your cheque for Â£2; I should not ask you for the 6d.âI never heard of 1s. 6d. being scored out of the bill and 1s. refunded; I should have known if anything was deductedâI do not know that you were then suffering from dysenteryâyou might have been supplied with port wine and cinnamon; I don't knowâit would be supplied in the bar, and paid for at the timeâwhat I have charged is right, according to my bookâwe have an ordinary at our hotel on Saturday at noon, and people pay for that in cash, unless they wish it bookedâyou had breakfast on the 27th between eight and nine, as near as I can sayâI remember your bringing two ladies, and asking if they could have beds, and I said no; I had no accommodation for ladiesâI don't know when that wasâI did not see the ladies' facesâthis is the first I have heard of any deduction being made from your billâI believe one of my daughters brought me the cheque; I should not have asked you for sixpence if you gave me a cheque for Â£2.

MR. MATHEWShere stated that Reeves had placed herself in the hands of her Counsel, and that with his advice she would

PLEAD GUILTY in the tearing of theJURYto the Indictment.

GEORGE HOLLAND GRUNNIER . I am a chief clerk in the audit office of the London and North Western Railway Company at EustonâI produce a list of the tickets collected at Willesden Junction for Euston on September 27, 1895âin that list I find no 3, 617 from Northampton to Eustonâif such a ticket had been collected it would appear in this listâthe collectors have to send up to the audit office all tickets collected, on the day after collection.

Cross-examined. If the ticket were lost I should have no entry of itâtickets go astray.

GEORGE COLLIS HOUSE . I am a ticket collector at Willesden JunctionâI make out a list of return halves collected each dayâI made such a list of tickets collected on September 27thâI find no return half of ticket 3, 617 from Northampton to Eustonâthe lists I make out bear the number in each case.

WILLIAM KING . I am a ticket collector at the main exit Willesdenâon September 27th I was on duty there from 6 a.m. to 3 p.m.âI do not recollect seeing Scaife pass through that exit during that timeâif anybody passed through the exit with a ticket for Euston for the purpose of seeing somebody out with luggage, or anything of that kind, I should nip the ticket, and allow it to be retained; and then they could come back and resume the journey to Euston with the same ticket, but it would be nippedâI do not recollect nipping any ticket in that way on September 27th, or any one going through with a request to return after seeing a lady out.

Cross-examined. I should not say I should keep the ticket till they came back; I have never done such a thingâmay be 300 or 400 people pass me during the time I am on dutyâI have no recollection of a ticket being passed to me, and my retaining it.

JAMES HENRY PEARSON . I am a detective inspector of the London and North Western Railway Companyâabout mid-day on September 27th, Kynaston brought this matter to my knowledgeâon the 28th I caused the telegram to be sent to Northamptonâprevious to the 27th, instructions

had been given to the company's officials to keep a watchâon September 28th, about 11.30, I went to 7, Mincing Lane, where there are offices on several floorsâI did not find the name Scaife upâon the glass of a door on the third floor, I found the words, "The Co-operative Wholesale Drug Company" and "The Guelph Manufacturing Company, Northampton"âI went in; the only person there was WoodhouseâI had a conversation with him, and made an appointment to call again on 30th SeptemberâI then called about twelve and saw both Scaife and WoodhouseâI said to Scaife, "Are you Mr. Scaife?"âhe said, "Yes" I said, "I am Inspector Pearson, from the London and North Western Railway Company, and I have called to see you in reference to a journey you made last Friday by the 11.11 a.m. train from Northampton; and I want to know what explanation you have to give for being found secreted in a first-class lavatory while the tickets were being collected at Willesden"âhe said, "I decline to say; the matter is in the hands of my solicitors"âI said, "Very well, you only gave your business address, at Euston, I now ask you to furnish me with your private address"âhe said, "I shall not do so"âI said, "Then we shall take proceedings against you"âhe said, "Very well; I will accept service of the summons here; if I wanted to defraud the company I could have given up the return half of a first-class Willesden to Euston ticket which I had taken the previous day; and which I had in my possession; the collector at Willesden would not be in a position to say that I had not joined, the train at Willesden"âI said, "He would be; he was specially watching the train, and saw it stop, and at once went to the compartment of the lavatory in which you were hid"âa summons was taken out on my information against him, and he answered to it on the 11th OctoberâI was present during the proceedings at the Police-court, and heard the result, and then I swore another information, and process was grantedâon November 11th I went with Parsons to 7, Mincing LaneâParsons went in first; and a few minutes after I went inâI said, "Good morning," Mr. Scaife"âParsons said, "You are Mr. Scaife"âScaife said, "Yes"âParsons said, "I have a summons to serve on you for conspiracy to defraud the London and North Western Railway Company"âScaife said, "Very well; I am taking an action against the company for malicious prosecution, and they are taking these steps against me in consequence"âI said, "Has your clerk Woodhouse been here this morning?"âhe said, "No"âI said, "When do you expect him?"âhe said, "This afternoon"âjust at that moment Woodhouse came into the officeâI said to Parsons, "This is Woodhouse"âParsons said, "I have a warrant for your arrest," and he read it to himâWoodhouse said nothing in replyâScaife said, "My advice to you is to say nothing to these officers; keep your own counsel"âwhen we were taking Wood-house away he repeated that adviceâhe made no answer to the charge at the Police-court.

Cross-examined. My object in going to your office was not to make evidenceâI did not caution you that what you said might be evidence against youâI wanted to know what you had to say in explanationâI did not say I wanted a private conversation with you, or ask you to come and talk to me quietlyâI mid you had been found hid in a lavatory of a first class compartment at Willesden with your luggage, your bag and

umbrellaâyou responded to the summons I leftâI have seen Wood-house many times.

EDWARD PARSONS (Sergeant S). I went to 7, Mincing Lane on November 11th, with PearsonâI went into the office firstâI saw Scaife, whom I did not know at that time, and I said to him, "Can I see Mr. Scaife?"âhe said, "Yes"âI said, "Is he in?"âafter some hesitation, he said, "Yes"âI said, "Where is he? I am a police-officer and wish to see him"âhe hesitated for some time; then Pearson came in and said, "How are you, Mr. Scaife?"âI said, "Oh, you are Mr. Scaife"âup to that time, some three or four minutes, he had not given me the information that he was ScaifeâI remained during the conversation between Pearson and Scaife.

Cross-examined. I had the impression that if Pearson had not come in you would have denied your identityâthe clerk was not thereâI served a summons on you; you appeared in Court to it.

HORACE WOODHOUSE . I was eighteen last AugustâI live with my father at 14, Addington Road, Bow; he is engaged in the Government serviceâI had been almost three years in a solicitor's office, and a few months in a well-known firm of auctioneers, and then I entered Scaife's service as a clerk, after a conversation with himâI attended at the office, 7, Mincing LaneâI am not sure if the prisoner was there on September 26thâI did not see him at the office in Mincing Lane on September 27th, 1895âhe did not show me any ticket on that day; I had no conversation with him on that dayâon Saturday, September 28th, Inspector Pearson had a short conversation with me at the officeâScaife was not there on that dayâan appointment was made for Pearson to come on Monday, September 30thâbefore he came on the Monday, Scaife came into the office, and I told him, in effect, what Pearson had said to me on the 28th, and that an appointment had been made for that morningâScaife said if the railway company brought an action against him he would sue them for false or malicious prosecutionâthat they were going to prosecute him for unlawfully travelling, but it was all rotâshortly after Pearson arrived and spoke to ScaifeâI heard what passedâthen I went out; I got my mid-day refreshment at 1.30, and returned at two o'clockâshortly after Scaife came in and showed me the return half of a first-class ticket from Euston to Northamptonâhe told me to take particular notice of it, and make a note of it as to the date, and make a facsimile copy of it altogether; he said I might be called on as a witnessâI made a copy of itâthat copy got some ink on it and I copied from that this other copyâit is an exact copy of the other which I made after the prisoner's directionsâthis is the piece of paper I had in my hat at the Police-court when I gave evidence the second timeâthe Magistrate ordered me to hand this piece of paper to himâI remember the summons being served on Scaife for travelling without a ticket, calling on him to appear at the Police-court on October 11th; it was served on me by a boy four or five days after that, and I gave it to the prisonerâhe said he did not think it was legal; that it was not to be served personallyâon October 10th, the day before the summons came on, he said to me at the office that I might be called on as a witness to-morrow for him, and he asked me whether I had this piece of paper, upon which I took a copy of the ticketâI told him I hadâhe said, "Be

ready to produce it at the Court"âI attended at Marylebone Police-court on the 11th, something before two o'clockâScaife was outside there, and told me that the right date, when I saw the ticket, was the date of issue, September 27th, and when I was in the witness-box I was to stick to that date; and he impressed on me that was the right dateâI made some such observation as that I did not think 27th was the dateâhe said, "Yes it was; don't you recollect that it was before Inspector Pearson called that you saw that ticket? For goodness sake, give the right date when you are in the box"âI went into the box on the 11th and gave the evidence which has been readâafter that, on 17th, the day before the remand, and on 24th, the day before I was recalled, he impressed on me that was the date, and that I was to stick to itâhe suggested it was 2 p.m. on 27th that I had seen the ticketâon Monday, September 30th, a railway ticket was shown to me; it was the return half of a ticket such as a person would have who had taken a return ticket from Northampton to London and had given up one half at WillesdenâI think about five days after he had shown me the ticket he asked me whether I knew a small photographer, and told him I did, and gave him the name of Wright, Whitechapel Road, who has been called; I knew the placeâhe said he would get his ticket photographedâon 25th I was recalled, and gave the evidence which has been readâI was charged with committing perjury, and after that I made a statement to my solicitor without any communication from the London and North Western Railway Company, and in consequence of that I was called at the last hearing on December 5th, and examined by you at the Police-court on another charge.

Cross-examined. I did not after my liberation on bail tell my father's solicitor that I believed all the evidence I had given to be trueâI suggested to my father that I had made a mistake in the witness-box, but I knew I had not committed perjury; and that I knew I had not seen the ticket on September 27thâI took no trouble before I was liberated to verify the date, afterwards I didâI made inquiries, and was satisfied it was not on the 27th that I was shown this ticketâI do not say that the evidence I gave on October 11th and 25th was perjury, but that I made a mistake in what I saidâwith the exception of whether it was 27th or 30th, all the evidence I gave was absolutely trueâI have verified the date since my liberationâI have only had casual conversations with Pearson since thenâhe did not say that if I gave evidence against you they would let me off or anything of the kindâI had my hat on when I came into the office on November 11th, when Pearson was thereâmy pen was not behind my earâPearson was not positive I had my pen behind my ear, he said he thoughtâI told a friend of mine on September 27th that you were not at the office on that dayâI went to lunch about 1.30 on the 27thâwhen I returned I did not find the letters on your desk opened; I did on another dayâif I knew you would not be there I should forward your letters to NorthamptonâI am not sure that on the Saturday I received a telegram from Northampton, asking me to meet you at Euston, but on another day I didâI told Pearson that you were sure to be there on the Monday, September 30th, and if he could be there at 11 a.m. it would be about the best time to see youâon the Monday I told you what Pearson had said when he calledâit was not suggested to me that I should commit wilful perjury,

but it was suggested that I should mention that date, which was wrong.

By theCOURT. Pearson asked me on the 28th whether the prisoner had been at the office the day before, and I said, "He was not at the office on that day"âthat was before the prisoner spoke to me about the date of the ticket.

By the Prisoner. I think I said I did not think I told Pearson my employer had not been to the office on the 27th, because I knew it would be an impossibility, if I saw the ticket on the day of issue, 27th.

The prisoner in his defence, stated that on September 26th he went to Northampton with Reeves and her sister; that he returned the next morning at 10.40, and he took a first-class return-ticket, No. 3617, as he had to return on the Saturday; that he saw Reeves out of the train at Willesden, and gave up his ticket; that he then rejoined the train, and seeing the ticket collector at the next carriage, put up the return half ticket, which he had taken on the 26th from Willesden to Huston, in the window, and went into the lavatory, as he was suffering from dysentery; and that he was in London on the 27th, and he denied conspiring with Reeves and Woodhouse to give false evidence.

SCAIFEâ GUILTY .

REEVESâ GUILTY, but recommended to mercy by theJURY, as they considered she had been Scaife's dupe and tool.

There was another indictment against Scaife for suborning Woodhouse to commit perjury, which was not proceeded with. Scaife had been convicted in April, 1883, at Liverpool, of attempting to obtain money by false pretences, and sentenced to Eighteen Months' Imprisonment.

70. WILLIAM HENRY CADMAN (54) was indicted for feloniously marrying Beatrice Caroline Hodgetts, his wife being then alive.

MR. CHARLES MATHEWS Prosecuted, andMR. NOBLEDefended.

SIDNEY JAMES GUILNETT . I am Deputy-Superintendent Registrar of Marriages for ManchesterâI produce the register containing the original entries of marriages at St. John's Church, Manchester, of 1870âunder entry 164, of 2nd March, 1870, I find a certificate of the solemnisation of a marriage between William Henry Cadman and Ellen Pemberton; it purports to be signed by both those persons, and by two witnesses and the officiating clergyman; he has been dead five or seven yearsâthis is an exact copy of the original entry.

Cross-examined. The names of the two witnesses are James and Sarah Appleyard.

ELIZABETH KINDELL . I am the wife of James Kindell, cotton manufacturer, of 10, New Barnes Street, Manchesterâmy maiden name was PembertonâI am the sister of Mary Ellen Pemberton, who married the prisonerâI have known him many yearsâprior to the marriage he kept company with my sister MaryâI was not present at the marriageâI used to visit them after the marriageâI saw them at the house, living as

man and wifeânine children were born of the marriageâshe had seven living when he deserted her; five are now livingâthey had been married a good many yearsâafter he deserted her he came back, and then went away again altogetherâthe signature of "William Henry Cadman" on this certificate is his hand-writing; I know it; I have seen him write, and the signature, "Mary Ellen Pemberton," is my sister'sâI was with my sister on October 27th, when she received this letter (produced), it is the prisoner's writingâmy sister is still living in Manchester, where she has lived since her marriage.

Cross-examined. She was not married from home; she was married from Manchesterâthe prisoner was a very kind fatherâI have not had any letters from him for a long time; he always wrote a back hand; in the register it is slanting, but I swear it is his writingâI have had letters from him, through my father.

MARTHA SMITH . That is not my nameâI will write my name down on paper for my Lord's information (it was handed to his Lordship)âI have known the prisoner about fifteen yearsâI was single when I first met himâI was then employed in the Post Office at Manchesterâhe did not tell me what his business wasâI understood he was a commercial travellerâhe used to come into the office for telegramsâsome years After that I walked out with him; that was about the Jubilee year, at the time of the Manchester Exhibition; I walked out with him for about two or three years before any intimacy took place between usâhe used to come home, and pay me great attentionâmy mother, of course, thought his intentions were honourableâhe did not say whether he was single or married; of course I thought he was singleânothing much was said about marriage before the intimacyâof course, he asked me to make arrangements to get married, and he gave me the money to get the licence, and he also bought a wedding ringâI got the licence, it was a special licence; at least, Mr. Hewlett, of Brunswick Street, got it in LondonâI paid Â£2 10s. for itâthe licence was to be got in three days, and the marriage was to be any day afterwards; it did not take place; it was kept being put off by the prisonerâhe gave me no reason for itâhe said his business was abroad, and he thought it had better be done abroadâhe said he was going to Brussels, and he sent for me to come to London, and, of course, I came, and he made arrangements to go to Brussels, and then he thought it had better be in LondonâI stayed in Brussels till September 26th, 1888; it did not take place in Brussels, he said it had better be in ParisâI went to Paris on September 26thâhe was there for a dayâit did not take place in Paris; he said he had no timeâin Brussels I heard something, in consequence of which I asked him, Was it true that he was a married man?âhe said, Yes, it was true, but we could be married in Paris; he did not think it would make any difference; we could be legally married there.

By theCOURT. I went to Paris with the object of being married there; then, when we got there, he only stopped a day or so, and then he went away, and remained away for some timeâhe told me one morning that his wife was in a madhouse or a lunatic asylum, and perhaps would be dying any day, and if she did so he would make the wrong rightâhe said nothing about staying awayâI always thought he was coming back, but he did notâI had no money at the timeâI had to apply to the English

Consul for money to bring me homeâI came to LondonâI met the prisoner in London, and he sent me home to my father at Manchesterâhe afterwards came to my father's houseâI had to write and tell father I was married; the prisoner told me to do so, and he afterwards came to father's house as my supposed husband; he stayed, perhaps, a day or two, and then went away, but he came back again in March, 1889âa baby was born; he will be seven next yearâI afterwards had another boy; they are both livingâmy father taxed him with being a married man after my eldest boy was born, and said he should not allow him to be there, and then he said he should leave England altogetherâmy father has been dead five yearsâafter his death I went to live with friendsâI sometimes met the prisoner in townâsometimes he would send me something when he had it; sometimes ten shillings, sometimes a sovereignâthe last time I saw him in Manchester, was three years ago come next January; I then had a second boy by himâhe took me to the pantomime, and said he would try and come back again, if he could, in JuneâI had a letter from himâhe would then send me about five or ten shillings a weekâon June 23rd he sent me moneyâI have not seen or heard anything of him sinceâI had Â£125 in Consolidated Bank shares and Lancashire Insurance shares, and he took them; I did not give them to himâI have got the money through my brotherâhe got it transferred from my name to his, but I think the prisoner had mortgaged the certificatesâI have had no money from him since June, 1893.

Cross-examined. About fifteen years ago I was in the employ of a Mr. Baileyâhe never told me that the prisoner was marriedâI did not know that his wife and family lived in Manchesterâhe did not make any definite proposal of marriage then, not in so many words; it was understood so; he always came over and took me out, and intended honourablyâthe Â£5 was given to obtain a marriage licence, not for any other, purposeâwhen I went to Brussels it was not to take charge of the prisoner's exhibits thereâhe asked me to look after his interests there while he was awayâI went there, thinking to be marriedâhe had not promised to get me employment, I was engaged in the Post Office at the timeâI went to Paris to get married and to look after his business there, and in other places; it was not a business arrangementâhe treated me very kindly, he put me into a shop; that was to get my money, and that was how I lost it.

Re-examined. I have come here with the full consent of my husband, who has taken me and my children.

BEATRICE CAROLINE HODGETTS . I live near Rye. In 1886 I first met the prisoner. I was living with my mother at that time, at East Dulwichâhe continued to visit me there, and in July, 1887, he proposed marriage to me; it was to take place either that year or the nextâin 1888 it was fixed for July or August that year; something happened to postpone it. but the engagement continued down to June, 1889âhe told me that his business was principally in Brussels, and the marriage was to be thereâmy mother did not approve of that, but in the end she gave wayâat the end of August, 1889, I went to Brussels, my mother being already there, and on September 4th I went through the ceremony of marriage with the prisoner, before the Mayor; there were witnesses to the marriageâI handed in a certificate of domicile as requested, stating

how long we had both been in Brusselsâthis is it (produced)âthe prisoner described himself as born in Manchester on February 15th, 1845, and described himself as a bachelor, and myself as singleâafter the marriage we went to stay at Ostend for a few days, and then came back to Englandâwe remained here till about the 12th of October that year; then we went over to Paris, where he had a business, and we remained there down to September 1891âwhile there, he was very often going to Englandâmy mother was with me in Paris; she died on September 27th, 1891; she had an income of her ownâshe made her will in my favour, leaving all to meâbefore her death she made a deed of assignment of her property to me; upon that I raised a mortgage, and I afterwards sold the reversion; the prisoner had the benefit of thatâhe had everything; I don't think I had more than between Â£400 and Â£500âwe first had a mortgage of Â£2,000, that was taken up, and then some more money. I think he had between Â£3,000 and Â£4,000 before my mother's death; there was not a farthing left when she died; she had an annuity that died with her. The prisoner was in London at the time of her death. I telegraphed to him and he came over, but not in time for the funeral; he stayed two or three days and then went back, leaving me aloneâhe sent me a little money from time to time, about Â£20 in all, until February, 1892âI did not see him at all before I came to London; the landlord would not let me stay there as I could not pay the rentâin London I met the prisoner by chance in the street; he did not know that I was comingâhe then told me to take a room somewhere. I did, and he came and stayed with me two daysâthen he said he had to go to Manchester on important business, and I never saw him again till this yearâI had letters from him, the last time was at the beginning of July, 1892âbetween those dates I made a discovery, in consequence of which I could not do anything. I had no moneyâin May, 1895, I was told he could be found, and I laid an information and gave him in chargeâI gave evidence before the Magistrate at Clerkenwell, and he was remanded on bail for a week; he then went away and was afterwards re-arrested in Manchester.

Cross-examined. Before our engagement my mother invited the prisoner to come and stay thereâwe were not in financial difficulties at that time; We were not wanting money very badlyâmy mother had not quarrelled with her trustees' solicitorsâthey did not suggest that if I were to marry they would advance money to herâa Mr. L. came and told me that the prisoner was married; that was a year before our marriageâI spoke to the prisoner about it; he denied itâI knew a Mr. Daleyâhe was not a solicitor; he was clerk to a solicitorâhe did not advise me to go through the ceremony at Brussels, which was worthless.

Re-examined. When I was told this about the prisoner I wrote to him at Brussels to come backâhe never repliedâI was naturally angryâray mother became ill; she was very much infatuated with the prisoner, very fond of him, because he said he was just about the same age as a son of hers who had died in December, 1888âwhile the prisoner was away we heard from a friend that he had come back to London, and my mother begged me to go and see him, and if he was not married to make it up againâhe came back with me, and took his most solemn oath that he was never married to the woman, that he had lived with her, and had two children by her, but he would never have anything more to do

with herâI certainly believed him, and we made it up, and he did come backâat the time I went through the ceremony of marriage I believed that I was being legally married; we could not go through the ceremony without complying with all the legal formulas.

JULIUS HOLDEN . I am Chief of the Civil Office at BrusselsâI produce a certified copy of a marriage solemnized on September 4th, 1889, between William Henry Cadman, bachelor, and Beatrice Caroline Hodgetts, spinster, at the Hotel de Ville, Brusselsâit is also certified by the English Legation at BrusselsâI also produce two certificates of domicile, given by the police authorities of Brussels to the same parties, also a book which was delivered to the contracting parties at the time of the marriage.

WILLIAM BLIGHT (Detective Sergeant G). On the 11th of June, this year, I was at King's Cross Station, and saw the prisoner thereâhe was given into my custodyâI told him I was a police officer, and I should arrest him for bigamyâhe made no replyâI took him to the StationâMiss Hodgetts was there, and saw himâhe was taken before the Magistrate and remanded on bailâhe absconded from his bail, and I heard no more of him till October last, when, in consequence of what I heard from Manchester, where he was detained on some charge, I arrested him on a warrant, and brought him to London, where he was formally chargedâhe made no reply to itâInspector Hargreaves, of the Manchester Police, handed me these two certificates, purporting to be certificates of marriage, one dated 1885 and the other 1887âI showed them to the prisonerâhe said, "Oh, there is nothing in them; they are bogus"âI went to the Register of Marriages at Somerset House and searched, and found no entry whatever of such documentsâamongst the prisoner's papers I found these two certificates of domicile and this book.

GEORGE HARGREAVES . I am a Detective Inspector of Manchester City Policeâon October 14th last I saw the prisoner at 24, New, Brown Street, Market Street, Manchester. I told him I was a police officer, and asked him his nameâhe said "Mr. Greenwood," he hesitated first and asked what I wanted to know his name forâI told him that I had reason to believe that he was William Henry CadmanâI then asked him who Dubeny, Gladstone and Co., were; that name was on the doorâhe said, "I am their representative, their place is in London." I said, "London is a large place"âhe then admitted that his name was CadmanâI told him he was wanted for bigamy, and I took him in custody to the Town Hallâhe said, "I am guilty of bigamy, but not of the long firm frauds"âat the Town Hall he was charged, and remanded to Strange ways Gaolâon October 29th he was handed over to BlightâI searched his premises while he was in custodyâI found a portmanteau and a box which I handed to Superintendent Hicks.

EDWIN HICKS . I am superintendent of the Manchester City Policeâon October 14th I received from Hargreaves a large tin box; it was locked, I got the key from the prisoner's personal property, and in it found between 2,000 and 3,000 letters, among them the two certificates purporting to be marriage certificatesâthe prisoner's name appears in each.

CHARLES CADMAN (Examined by Mr. NOBLE). I live at 10, New Brown Street, Manchesterâthe prisoner is my fatherâafter he left my

mother he was in the habit of sending her money, for about a month or five weeksâÂ£1 a week at first, and when in difficulties it got down to 10s.âhe was very kind to usâI was about ten years old when he went awayâI believe this is his signature to this marriage certificateâI said before the Magistrate that his writing had altered a great dealâhe writes backward, this is written forward.

Cross-examined. My father lived on with my mother till about 1883âhe left her when I was about tenâhe has not been to our house for about eight yearsâhe left her in 1883 with seven childrenâhe did not come backâI next saw him at the central stationâshe was without support all that time, except what she got from the parishâI last saw him about last Christmas; he then asked me how mother wasâI saw him several times in Manchester; he asked how we got on at home, and I used to tell him.

â GUILTY .â Seven Years' Penal Servitude.

71. JOSEPH SAVAGE (28) and WILLIAM MITCHELL (24) , Burglariously breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Robert Gore, with intent to steal.

MR. WILLSONProsecuted.

FREDERICK CLABBON (292 F). On the morning of November 6th, at 3.50, I was on duty in Percy Gardens, Kensington, and saw Savage in Bayswater Road, going towards the Marble Arch; opposite 3, Wellington Terrace. He stopped there, went to the window, and with his arm broke the windowâhe then went towards Notting Hill Gate, where he was joined by Mitchell; they walked a few yards, and returned towards No. 3âthey saw me, and walked hurriedly onâI saw no one else pass the windowâI went after them with another constable, and stopped themâI told Savage the chargeâhe replied, "I am going to Covent Garden, you have made a mistake."

Cross-examined by Savage. It was your left arm that broke the window. You did not take anything out.

Cross-examined by Mitchell. You were stopped by 211 F about 100 yards from the window.

JAMES WILLIAMS (211 F). I was on duty in Bayswater Road. I heard the crashing of glass in the direction of Wellington TerraceâI at once went in that direction, and met the two prisoners, followed by the last witnessâI stopped them, and asked what was upâthey said "Nothing"â292 arrived, and from what he told me I arrested MitchellâI told him the chargeâhe said, "You have made a mistake, we are on our way from Kilburn to Covent Garden"âI took him to the stationâthey were about 150 yards from the window when I stopped them.

Cross-examined by Savage. I could not see you when I heard the breaking.

Cross-examined by Mitchell. At the time I heard the crash I daresay I was 200 yards from the window.

FREDERICK CLABBON (Re-called). When I heard the crash I was standing in Palace Gardens, from there I could see straight on to the shops in Wellington TerraceâPalace Gardens is a private road, and I was inside the gates, between twenty and thirty yards from the shop. I could not be seen.

Terraceâabout half-past 10 on this night I locked up the premises securelyâthe window was perfectly soundâthe police awoke me between three and four; there was then a large fracture in the window; there were many pieces of glass both outside and insideâI did not miss any article.

Cross-examined. I was sleeping at the top of the house at the backâI heard no sound till the police rang the electric bellâthere were no shutters to the windowâa light was burning insideâit was a large single sheet of plate glass.

PAUL HALLMARK (Sergeant F). I visited the premises on the 15thâI found a pane of glass broken about 25 inches by 15, as though someone had gone sideways through itâconsiderable force must have been usedâI produce a piece of the glass, one-eighth of an inch thick.

The prisoners in defence stated that they were going to work at Covent Garden when the constables arrested them, and denied all knowledge of the broken window.

SARAH OSBORNE . I live at 72, StrandâI was present at the marriage of the prisoner and my sister at Old Lambeth Church about sixteen years agoâthey separated and then lived together againâI have seen my sister here to-dayâI was in communication with her about 1892, she must then have been living at BrightonâI did not know the prisoner in 1892âI believe my sister last saw him about 1891âI believe they finally separated in 1889.

SARAH ANN BARKER . I live at 34, Bridge Road, Hammersmithâon February 24th, 1892, I went through a form of marriage with the prisoner at the Registry Office, Fulhamâthis is the certificate; he is described as a widowerâI had known him some time before I married himâhe first described himself as a widower, and afterwards told me (before our marriage) he had been divorcedâI lived nearly two years with him, and then he deserted me, leaving me with a child, and without moneyâI went home to my mother, and have since been supporting myself and the child, as a barmaidâthe child died three months agoâafter he left me I received this telegram from him, "Come at once, Charles is dying, Russell"âRussell is his mother's nameâI went to see him, and there was nothing the matter with him.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. You did not tell me you were not divorcedâI was engaged as a barmaid at the timeâyou did not say when you left for Newcastle that if anything happened to Mrs. Redfearn we would get married again to make it legal.

MARY ANN BECKERSON . I live at 34, Bridge Road, Hammersmithâthe prisoner came to me with my cousin, the last witness, and told me he had been married, and showed me this certificate.

ALBERT PEDDER (Sergeant E). I produce the certificate of the marriage with Miss Barker.

ERNEST PARKES (40 E.R.) About six p. m. on November 26th, I was

on duty in the Strand, when Mrs. Redfearn came to me, and stated in the prisoner's presence that she wished to give him into custody for committing bigamyâI asked her how she knew he had committed bigamyâshe said, "I have the marriage certificate, but I have not it with me at the moment"âthe prisoner said, "I know nothing about it"âI asked the prisoner and his wife to come to the station, and he was charged the next day and made no reply.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: I wish to say that this was not done with any fraudulent intent. My first marriage was very unhappy, and we mutually agreed to part. I told Miss Barker I had a wife living.

The Prisoner called

ELIZABETH RUSSELL . I am the prisoner's motherâI often told Miss Barker you had a wife living before you married her; she visited my house for a short time before you were marriedâI did not know of your wedding with Miss Barkerâwhen I first knew her in December, 1891, or January, 1892, I told her your wife was living, and that you were not freeâI had a letter from you, and went to see youâyou said, "We have done it"âI said, "Done what?"âhe said, "Got married"âI said, "Oh, Charley! how dreadful; it will be found out," and then Miss Barker came out of the adjoining room, and I said the same to herâshe said, "Never; it will never be found out"âI protested and said it would, and asked her on what grounds she felt so sure, and she said she would deny she had ever married himâthat was in 1892, I think; I knew nothing of the marriage till the day after.

By theCOURT. I did not know they were going to be married or I would have stopped itâmy daughter, the prisoner's sister, sent this telegramâthe prisoner may have done it in my nameâshe came and found he was not dying; I knew what he wanted her to come for, though I did not know he had sent this telegramâhe wanted her to come up, and she would notâhe did not desert her.

Cross-examined. He sometimes takes the name of Redfearn-Russell; I have married againâI did not send this telegram; I suppose the prisoner did it himselfâI thought the first wife was living at Brighton, and that it was too late to tell her.

Re-examined. My daughter, who is in Manchester, also told Miss Barker that your wife was livingâI thought it dreadful that a respectable young woman should be committing bigamyâI could not stop the marriage then, it was too late.

The prisoner in his defence stated that he and his wife had agreed to separate, and that he had no intention of deceiving Miss Barker.

GUILTY .â Three Years' Penal Servitude.

NEW COURT.âWednesday, December 11th, 1895.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

73. EDWARD SHULTZ (25) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Charles Drobig, and stealing seventy-five sable skins and other articles, his property.

MR. GREENFIELDProsecuted, and the evidence was interpreted to the prisoner.

CHARLES DROBIG . I am a furrier, of 16, Northampton Street, Clerkenwellâon November 17th, at 11.45 my house was fastened and closedâI was called by the police next morning, and found the shop-window forced open, and a pane of glass brokenâI missed seventy-two sable skins and other articles, which I have identifiedâthese are my property. (Produced.)

WILLIAM COLE (492 G). On November 19th, at 2 a.m., I was on duty, and saw two men near the prosecutor's houseâone of them pointed to a houseâI stepped into a doorway and watched them, three men joined them, they turned round Charles StreetâI ran into Goswell Streetâas soon as they saw me the three men dropped some things in the road and ran awayâthere were four men altogether, and the prisoner was one of them, I saw his face; another constable pursued him, and I went back and picked up the articles, and took them to the station, and the prosecutor identified themâwhen I first saw the men I was about 120 yards from them, but I got within twelve yards of themâthey were runningâI had a side view of them, but the prisoner looked me full in the faceâhe wore a brown felt hatâI did not pick him out when I found him in custody.

EDWARD SHIELD KNIGHT (481 G). I heard a whistle about 2 a.m., and saw the prisoner turn out of John Street aloneâI ran after him about thirty yards, caught hold of his arm, and tripped him upâhe said, "All right"âI took him to the stationâhe said, "The man gave me 2s. to carry the thingsâhe said he was a hairdresserâafter the charge was read over he said in English, "I did not do it"âI have not found his addressâthree metal watches and a chain and latch key were found on himâhe spoke English and defended himself at the Police-court, and, said there that the man gave him 2s. to carry the things, as he was moving.

FREDERICK WHITING (362 G). I was on duty in Goswell Road about 1 a.m., and saw the prisoner and another man, who was carrying this bundle of seal skins under his armâCole took him and I took the prisoner; they ran in different directionsâI blew my whistle several timesâhe turned a corner and another constable took him.

JOHN ROWKINS (494 G). On November 19th, about 2 a.m., I heard a whistle, ran into Goswell Road, and saw a man with a bundle of fursâI went to the prosecutor's shop and found the front door open, and some sables and two boas in the passage; I took them to the stationâthe front window was forced open from the bottom, and the catch broken offâthis,. jemmy was found in the shop next morning.

TEEHAN KIRK (Police Sergeant). I was present when Inspector Lewis took down this statementâthe prisoner spoke in German, but I am a German, and put it down in Englishâhe said: "At 11 p. m. on the 18th I met a man who I only know as Charley in Soho. There was another man with him who I do not know, but I could identify him. At a public-house in Tottenham Court Road Church asked me to go to his lodgings in Islington, as he had not paid his rent, and help him to move. He said, 'You wait here while I go for the clothes.' About fifteen minutes later he came, bringing a bundle. We went to the end of the

street. I saw a policeman, who said, 'He! what have you got there?' Charley threw the bundle in front of the policeman; another policeman caught me."

Prisoner's Defence: I never did anything in my life of this kind. I have always earned my living honestly. The man who made use of me first, of all gave me several glasses to drink, and he never told me the matter was not a bona-fide one.

TheJURYconsidered that the girl might be taken to be over 16, and, therefore, found a verdict of

NOT GUILTY .

75. GIOVANNI FAVERO (23) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of William Alfred Buckland, and stealing five coats, and other articles, his property.

The evidence was interpreted to the prisoner.

WILLIAM ALFRED BUCKLAND . I am an engineer, of 12, Packham Street, St. PancrasâI left my house fast, on the latchâit would require a key to open it from outsideâon Sunday, October 27th, I got home about 12.45, and went to bedâI was awoke about 4 or 4.30 by a noise, and heard the front door close; I got a light, went downstairs and found the coats and a smoking-jacket had been taken from the hall and a black bag containing toolsâthis is my coat, it was on the rack; and this pipe and tobacco pouch were in the pocketâI recognise this hammer because I made the handleâthe value of the articles is from Â£8 to Â£10.

LOUISA DAVIDSON . I have lived with the prisoner as his wife eight monthsâsome man came and fetched him at two o'clock one morning; he had no great coat when he went out, but he brought home this coat and anotherâhe brought a black bag with him, but I did not see it openâI was in bed but I was awakeâI think he brought this hammer the same nightâhe had a pipe something like thisâhe speaks English; I am English, I cannot speak Italian.

JOHN ROBINSON (Police Sergeant G). On Saturday, November 23rd, I was on duty in Calthorpe Street and arrested the prisoner as a suspected personâI took him to the station and found this pipe, tobacco pouch, handbag, and four pipe-cleaners on himâI then searched the house where the woman Davidson lives, and found other thingsâthe prisoner was charged with burglaryâhe said, "This is my property; that is good enough for you.

Cross-examined. I found the hammer at your lodgings and the other things in your pocket.

FREDERICK HARNOTT . I am assistant to Mr. Bulworthy, a pawnbroker of 71, Gray's Inn Roadâthis great coat was pawned on November 8th. by a woman I do not recognise, in the name of Ann Terry, 12, Brook Street.âI work at Crosse and Blackwell'sâI received this coat from a man, not the prisoner, nor was he presentâI pawned it and gave the ticket to the young man who gave me the coat, and I know he went to get it out and was stoppedâthe prisoner was with him.

Prisoner's Defence: I was in bed, and a man knocked at my door and told me to go with him: we went to the club, and I was there with him

till 5 a. m. Then I came out with him, and he asked if I wanted to buy an overcoat. I said "No." He said he would go and fetch it, and he brought it to me. He had a small, empty bag with him and two overcoatsâwhen I got indoors I looked at the overcoat, and he said, "Will you mind keeping it till to-morrow morning?" I went to bed, and he came and fetched it the next morning.

GUILTY .

He thenPLEADED GUILTYto a conviction at this Court on September 10th, 1894.

FLORENCE STONE . I keep a restaurant in Holbornâon November 26th, about 8 p.m., the prisoners came to the barâPhillips asked for two drinksâI gave him two glasses of bitterâhe put down a halfsovereignâI gave him 9s. 8d.âhe then asked me to give him the half sovereign back and he took it and the change together, and asked me to give him a sovereign for it; I was just going to do so when the mistress came up and stopped me, and took the money which he had put down on the counterâthey both ran away; she called the police.

JOHN BOVEY (37 E.R). I was called, and the manager gave Phillips into custody for ringing the changes; he said "They have got 10s. of my money there."

HENRY GALE (286 E). I was on duty outside this restaurant at 9 p.m., and saw Phillips sitting by the landlordâI stopped Crossley running across the roadâthey were both taken to the station and charged; they made no reply.

Cross-examined by Crossley. You were about 100 yards from the house when I arrested you.

Crossley's Defence: I met Phillips and he asked me to have a drink; when he ran out I saw that there was something the matter and I ran too; I call him.

HENRY PHILLIPS (The Prisoner). I met you in Holborn and asked you to have a drinkâI paid with 10s. and ran outâI did not tell you I was going to ring the changes, but I believe you had an idea what I was going to do when I asked for the half-sovereign back.

CROSSLEYâ NOT GUILTY .

PHILLIPS received a good character; but Detective Sergeant Brogden stated that he had been charged with a similar offence before, and that he was the associate of thieves.â Six Months' Hard Labour.

77. BERNARD DAVIS (32) PLEADED GUILTY to stealing Â£60, Â£60. and Â£30, the property of a co-partnership.â Discharged on Recognizances.

78. ENRICO POGGI (20) , Breaking and entering the dwelling-house of Alberto Pereguinetta, and stealing an accordion and 15s. 6d., his property.

MR. BODKINProsecuted, and the evidence was interpreted to the Prisoner.

ALBERTO PEREGUINETTA . I understand some EnglishâI live at 2A, Back Hill, Holborn, and occupy two rooms and a shop on the ground

floorâone of my rooms is used as a club by a number of Italiansâthe prisoner was not a member, he has only been there as a visitorâhe was there on Saturday night, November 16th, and some more Italiansâa girl named Frances Perry was there, she left between two and three on the morning of the 17thâbefore she left she asked Poggi for some matchesâhe took a candle out of his pocket and cut it in two, and gave her a bit and some matches out of a boxâafter she had gone Poggi and two men had some refreshment in the first floor back roomâthey left between 3 and 3.30., and I shut the window at 3.40 as I was going to bedâI locked the door outside and locked up the houseâI got up next morning between 7.30 and 8, and the door of the first floor back room was open, the lock was broken and the window openâthe window is about eight feet from the ground, and looks into a small turningâI found my shop ransacked, and missed an accordion, value about Â£3, which I had put there the night beforeâI have not seen it sinceâwe have an automatic gas meter in the basement, and I gave my partner 1s. worth of coppers to put into it, the night beforeâI found the padlock of the drawer into which the money falls, cut off and lying on the floor, and the drawer in the back kitchen with nothing in itâI found this box of Bryant and May's matches under the meter; that is the sort of box that Poggi took out of his pocket the night beforeâI also found a piece of candle on a shelf beside the meter; it did not belong to me; we do not use candles in the basementâFrances Perry came and spoke to me, and I saw her in the middle of the day speaking to the prisoner in Wardour StreetâI found Poggi near Holborn Town Hall about 3.45, and spoke to him in Italianâhe said, "How goes it, John?"âI said, "I am all right," and asked him about the stolen property, and said, "You took some money from my gas meter"âhe said, "I never done it; I will bring your stolen property back at 10 o'clock to-night"âI had threatened to give him in custodyâI said, "I have a witness to prove it; you ought to do something else for a living"âhe said, "I never did it; it won't be more than 25s. or 30s.," meaning the value of the robbery altogetherâhe was wearing new clothes, but the same jacket and handkerchief he has nowâhis trousers and boots were new since the night beforeâhe did not come at 10 o'clockâI wrote to the Gas Company the next morning, and gave information to the police; and pointed out the prisonerâhe knew that I had this gas meter, because when the game was going on someone said, "Go and put another penny in the slot."

Cross-examined. You said, "If I do not bring back the accordion and the money I have stolen, I will bring the worth of it"âyou also said, "I know who has got it, and I will get it for you."

GUISEPPE PELEGRINI . On the morning of November 16th I got 1s. worth of coppers of Alberti Pereguinetta, and put them in the gas meter 12 o'clock.

FRANCES PERRY . I live at 88, Cleveland Street, Tottenham Court Road, and was employed at Crosse and Blackwell's two months agoâI sometimes went to this clubâI do not speak ItalianâI know Poggi; I do not live with himâI asked him for a light, and he gave me some matches out of a box like this; it looked three parts fullânext morning Sunday, I called on Mrs. Peregrinetta, and said something to Mr.

Pereguinetta, and between one and two o'clock I saw Poggi in Wardour Streetâwe went into a public-house, and I asked him if he had taken the money out of the gas meterâhe said, "No"âI said, "Yes, you did it"âhe said, "Yes, I did"âthe conversation was in Englishâhe had new boots onâI have known him twelve months, and have been living with himâI repeated that to Mr. Pereguinetta.

FRANK BECKETT . I am an automatic meter clerk; I took the state of this meter and set it, and put it down in a bookâI went again in consequence of a statement from Mr. Pereguinetta, and from the state of the meter there ought to have been 15s. 5d. in the drawer, but it was broken to pieces, and the lock wrenched off.

JOHN ROBINSON (Detective Inspector G). On November 18th Pereguinetta complained to me, and I went to 2, Back Hillâan entry had been effected by the first floor window, which is about seven feet from the groundâI found marks on the mortar and on the window sashâsomebody had entered by the window and forced the door, insideâthe catch had been broken some time previously and mendedâon the same afternoon I saw the prisoner in a public-house on Eyre Street HiliâI sent someone to call him outâhe came out, and I said in English that I was a police officer, and should arrest him for breaking into the club, 2, Back Hill, and stealing an accordion and some moneyâhe, said "I know who did it, but if you will let me go I will go and get it"âhe had no difficulty in understanding meâI asked him his address at the Police-station; he said he lived anywhereâI cannot find itâhe had on new trousers, boots, and braces; he told me how much he gave for the trousersâhe said before the Magistrate that he received the money for the clothes through the Italian Consul.

----CURTIS. I was at Bow Street when the prisoner made a statement in Italian; I took it down, and, at the Magistrate's request, translated itâthis is a copy, in the writing of a friend of mine: "I told the sergeant I gave 3s. for the trousers, 2s. for the boots, and 1s. for the braces; and that money was sent to me from Italy. Frances Pearce is not to be relied on, as she cannot bear me; for two or three pints of beer she will say anything."

The Prisoner, in his defence, stated that he did not give Pearce any matches, because he had none, and had to ask for one to light his pipe; that what he said was that he knew the class of people who went there, and if it was left till evening he might be able to furrage out who had done it; that the witness Perry could not he relied upon, as she could not bear him, and all she had said was from spite, and that all who went to the club were thieves. He called

MR. POGGI. I am a baker and pastrycook, and am the prisoner's brotherâI sent him 100 francs about two months ago.

GUILTY â Nine Months' Hard Labour.

79. WILLIAM HENRY READWIN, Unlawfully obtaining 21s. from Samuel Cant, with intent to defraud, upon which no evidence was offered.

NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.âThursday, December 12th, 1895.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

In the case of MARY FREEMAN, for attempt to murder, the prisoner had died since the committal. The recognizances of the witnesses were therefore discharged.

80. MARGARET GREEN (28) , For the manslaughter of Reuben Green.

MR. HUTTON, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence upon this charge.

NOT GUILTY .

81. MARGARET GREEN was further indicted for unlawfully neglecting the said child, so as to cause him unnecessary suffering and injury to his health.

MR. HUTTONProsecuted.

EMILY GODFREY . I live at 2, Park Villas, East Finchleyâin March, this year, the prisoner came to my house with her husband and three children; at first they occupied three rooms upstairsâthe eldest was a boy about five or six, a girl about three, and the boy Reuben was a baby in armsâthey remained there till August, and left on Tuesday, the day after the Bank Holidayâafter they had been there a few weeks, she left the baby at different times, from about ten in the morning till half-past threeâthat happened on several occasions, but only once or twice for so long as thatâshe left no one to take care of it or feed itâit could not feed itselfâI have fed it at timesâsometimes she would leave it for half an hour, an hour, or more; then she would come in and put it to bed, and the other children tooâit would cry when left; that was why I went up to it, got it some food, which it would take ravenouslyâI have done that several times, sometimes about ten in the eveningâit was not very often that I heard them cryingâthe little boy was kept very dirty; at first it was not so bad, it got worseâit was a very delicate childâshe said it had rickets and consumptive bowelsâshe had to go out to work; but not at the latter part of the time.

RUTH FLEMING . I live at 3, Park Villas, next door to the prisoner and her childrenâI remember the child Reubenâthe prisoner spoke to me one day about itâshe asked me if I would allow my daughter to take care of it for her during the day, when she was going out to workâthat was some time in MayâI said I did not think my daughter was old enough to take care of a child a fortnight old, but I took it in; it was very dirty and emaciated; I said, "It is a very miserable little object; have you had it under medical treatment?"âshe said No; it had rickets and consumptive bowels; that she had taken it to the doctor at Great Ormond Street some time ago, and they said they could do nothing for itâI undressed it, but I could not hold it, it was so dirty, and smelt so badâI washed it, and dressed it in doll's clothesâwe had no other things to fit itâmy little girl of ten cut up some stockings, and made a tiny pair of doll's stockings to put on it; it was a most tiny childâI had it three days in each weekâI got my lodger to take it to the Temperance Hospital.

By theCOURT. I did not notice any vermin about the childâthere

was the same dreadful smell about it every day; we had to repeat the washing each time we took it from her.

JANE DISCOMB . I lodged at 3, Park VillasâI first saw the child in May, when Mrs. Fleming had the care of it; it was very poor, and very little and delicateâit was rather dirty; we used to wash it; the joints were rather dirty, and its underneath part; we used to take off its clothes and wash themâit looked as if it had not sufficient to eat; it was not wellâI took it to the Temperance Hospital, and showed it to the doctor there, and the matron gave me a bundle of clothes for itâthe prisoner was with me; she used to have it of an evening when she came from work; it seemed to be getting on, and the prisoner said so herself, and I saw her with it out in the yardâafterwards I did not think it looked quite so well," I said so to herâshe said, "I think it is getting on nicely"âshe provided for it, if she had a few halfpence; if not, I used to get it something.

By theCOURT. She used to go out washing, and I used to have the baby early in the morning before she went outâI never saw any vermin upon itâI am not accustomed to children, I have had none of my ownâI saw no neglect or ill-treatmentâI used to give it bread and milk, I thought that was the right thing, the doctor said she was to feed it on some particular food; I could not say whether she got itâI did not see it after January 7th.

JANE BARROW . I live in Prospect Place, East FinchleyâI remember taking in the prisoner and her three childrenâI could not say the date exactlyâI reckon it was about two months before the child diedâshe said they had been living at Mrs. Godfrey'sâthey stayed with me till the child diedâI saw it when they came, it was not very clean; it was fairly clean; it was very weaklyâthe doctor was never fetched till I found it was dying. I then called out, "For God's sake, Mrs. Green, send for a doctor;" she had taken it to a doctor about three weeks after she had been with meâshe gave me a shilling a day, and half a crown on Saturdayâshe was away two days and a-half out of the weekâwhen she was at home she looked after it herself; she always treated it very kindly, and was very kind to the other childrenâI had a sick husband to attend to.

By theCOURT. It was a very poor, weak childâit had whooping cough, and so had the little girlâshe gave me a shilling a day when she went out to work; that was for food, and for keeping them there and giving them shelterâshe used to take a glass of beer, but I never saw her come into my place in drinkâI never saw anything of that sort.

THOMAS WILLIAM HICKS . I am a fully qualified medical man and live at Park House, East FinchleyâI remember the prisoner's child ReubenâI first saw it from ten months to a year before its death, about October or November, 1894, it was a poor, delicate, emaciated childâit was not then suffering from rickets or consumption of the bowels; it was from exhaustion; there was no definite cause for that, it was in an exhausted, emaciated condition, improper food would account for it, giving it food that it could not assimilateâI did not learn that from its birth it was a poor little thing, that would not influence my judgment, then, or nowâI next saw it on October 10th, it was then deadâI made a post-mortem on that day in company with Dr. Hocheeâit weighed 6 1/2 lbs. the normal weight should have been from 16 lbs. to 24 lbs.; it

was poorly clothed and dirty, not filthy; it was extremely emaciatedâI could find no organic disease to account for that emaciationâI attributed it to malnutrition.

By theCOURT. That might arise from improper food, or want of food, quite as likely one as the otherâthat may happen with the kindest mother in the world, if she does not understand what food would assimilateâthe first time I saw the child it was having condensed milk, and I altered that to cow's milk, and gave instructions as to the dilution of the cow's milkâit was a nurse childâI attended it for a week afterwards and then never saw it again; it was always an emaciated child from the first, and very smallâmilk would be the proper foodâmalnutrition would be not putting water to it, or giving it milk or food stuff which would not agree with it at the timeâI told her to dilute the milkâI had some fault to find with the utensils in which the milk was kept; they were dirty, the bottle in which the milk was given was not clean, hence one could not be responsible for the milk; there was nothing harmful in the bottle except dirt, which is hurtfulâthe emaciation might arise from diseaseâI should rather suspect disease of some sort to linger in the frame of a child that was always a puny little thingâthe appearances might be accounted for by want of a sufficient quantity of food, or want of strictly proper food, or diseaseâthe post-mortem showed no disease; I never saw the child at its birthâif it always was so from its birth I should have suspected something wrong; it was very small when I saw it.

JAMES HOCHEE . I live at Park Gate, East Finchley, and am a fully qualified medical manâI assisted Mr. Hicks in the post-mortem examinationâI have heard his evidence, and agree with it; there was no diseaseâfrequently a child is born very small and very weak in consequence of the mother herself not being properly nourished, but not itself in a state of disease; being born small it may not be expected to surviveâI could not say if it was not so in this case, but if I had such a child under my care I should require it to be very frequently fed with milk and water, one part of milk and two of waterâit would entirely depend upon how it got onâthe prisoner's husband was my groom some years agoâI have not seen anything of him since to my knowledge; I have understood that he has been a bad husband.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "I have a very bad husband, and had to go to work to support my children. He ill-treated me badly, and has broken a brass rod over my back. I have had to send my children out sometimes. He gave me money sometimes. I never took to drink."

The prisoner handed in a paper which was read at length, in which she described a system of ill-treatment and drunkenness on the part of her husband, which compelled her to go out to work for the support of herself and children; that the baby was very small and delicate from its birth, that she did her best for it and the other children, but the child was always ill, and nothing did it any good.

The prisoner, having been sworn as a witness, declared that her written statement was perfectly true, and that she had not seen her husband since she came out of Barnet Union a month ago.

NOT GUILTY .

For other cases heard this day see Kent and Surrey cases.

NEW COURTâThursday, December 12th, 1895.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

82. WILLIAM GEORGE (29) and EDWARD REEKS (37) , Stealing a sovereign from the person of Robert Williams.

ROBERT WILLIAMS . I am a labourer, of 69, Camden Road, HollowayâI have been working for the electric lighting department of the Islington Vestryâon Friday, November 22nd, between seven and eight p. m., I was in the middle bar of the Clarence public-house, Seven Sisters Road, Hollowayâthere are three barsâI had been paid my wages for the week, fifty-four hours, Â£1 9s. 3d., and I had in my purse a sovereign, a four-shilling piece, and a florinâI had paid for some beerâthe prisoners were there when I went inâI have known them for years, but never associated with themâGeorge is a labourer, and used to live next door to meâReeks is a bricklayerâTed Flack, the barman, offered to row me on the Thames the following morning for a sovereign, and I took a sovereign out and showed it to himâthe prisoners could hear the conversationâFlack wanted to row on the Lea, but I objected, and put the sovereign back into my purse, and put my purse into my right trousers pocketâMrs. Fisher, who I knew, was in a bar on my left, and from what she said, I went in and treated her and her husband to some beer, and had a glass myselfâI paid for that with a florin, which I took out of my purse, and left the sovereign thereâI took the 4s. piece out, and put it in another pocketâGeorge and some other men asked me to give them some beer; Reeks was with them; he is called Puddingy; he asked me for twopence, and I gave it to himâthey asked for more beer, and I paid for another pot, and then Reeks asked for another twopence to put to the firstâI refused, and said, "You have had 10d.; you ought to be satisfied"âthey said, "Go on; we will make it up to you when we get work"âthey then held me against the partition; Reeks took me by my left shoulder, and George by my right and put his hand in my trousers pocket, and took my purseâI made a snatch at it, and he passed it behind himâI said, "Don't act the fool, give it me back"; I put my back against the door, and said that no one should leave the bar till I got the purse"âone of them named Webb shoved me away from the door, saying that he wanted to go to the urinalâI went out and called a police sergeantâthe prisoners followed me out and went to the urinalâthey all came back to the public-house, and George handed me my purse saying, "Here is your purse"âI looked inside it, the sovereign was gone, and I gave George in custodyâthe others had gone awayânext morning I gave evidence at the Police-court against George, the Magistrate asked him if he had any evidence to call, and Reeks called out from the body of the Court, "You changed a sovereign at the bar;" and at the Magistrate's request he went into the witness box and I saw him sworn on the Testamentâhaving given his evidence the case was adjourned till the afternoon when the two barmen were called, and the Magistrate committed George for trial; Reeks was put back for a weekâI then went and made a statement to the Treasury.

Cross-examined byMR. BURNIE. I finished work at five o'clock and went and had two half-pints of ale in Holloway Road, and then went to another house and had another half-pint, and from there to the Clarence where I paid for two pots in the middle bar, with coppers, and two pots in the other barâI was not drunkâthe sergeant came into the bar, and I said to the men, "One of you has got my sovereign" and pointed to George and said, "I believe that one"âthe sergeant said, "Are you sure?" and I may have said, "Well, one of them had it"âon that the sergeant declined to take GeorgeâI had told him about their having held me against the partitionâsome of them then left the bar; George gave me the purse after the sergeant said that he could not take himâwhen we were outside, George and I went to the sergeant together and it was then that I said for the first time that George put his hand in my pocket and took the purse outâGeorge did not say in answer to that "You took your purse out of my right-hand coat pocket," nor did I answer yesâI walked with the sergeant to the station, about a quarter of a mile, but did not mention about any man holding me while the purse was taken till I got to the stationâthere was a great deal of excitement.

Cross-examined byREEKS. I do not say that you are one of the two men who held me against the partition.

Re-examined. When George and I went together to the constable outside, I asked him to take him, but he would not; I was too much excited then.

HENRY DAUGHTON (78 Y). I was four or five yards from the ClarenceâWilliams came up to me about 9.20âno one was with himâReeks and another man were standing outside the house near the urinalâI went with Williams into the barâthere were four or five men thereâGeorge was among themâWilliams said, "I have lost a sovereign"âI said, "Who has got it?"âhe said, "I believe this man here," pointing to Georgeâhe pointed to each man, they were in a circle, saying, "One of you have got it, now tip up"âWilliams had been drinking and was excitedâhe knew what he was doingâhe did not make it clear to me, and I said, "I decline to interfere," and left the bar, and the landlord turned them all outâWilliams did not seem satisfied when he got outside and we took names and addresses, and in a minute or so, George came up and said to Williams, "You took your purse out of my right-hand coat pocket, did not you, Bob?"âI understood Williams to say, "Yes, George took the purse out of my right-hand pocket." I said, "See if the sovereign is in it." He said, "No." I said, "Will you charge him?" He said "Yes." I took him to the station, he was charged, and made no replyâwhile the charge was being taken by the Inspector, Williams said for the first time, "They shoved or pinned me against the partition and took the purse with the sovereign in out of my pocket"âI am sure he said "They."

Cross-examined byMR. BURNIE. The prisoner come up with the prosecutor who said, "He put his hand into my pocket and took out my purse with a sovereign in it." George said "You took the purse out of my right-hand coat pocket, did not you, Bob?" Williams said, "Yes"âthere was an argument first, there was a lot said.

Cross-examined by Reeks. You waited outside by the urinal and when

I came out you were still there, but you had gone when George was was taken in custody.

WILLIAM GEORGE HOBBS . I am second clerk at the North London Police-courtâon November 22nd when George was charged I took the evidence; he was asked if he wished to call evidence and somebody at the back of the Court said, "Yes, I will give evidence," and Reeks got into the witness-box and was duly swornâI took his deposition; I took his name as Reed, but Reeks is the manâhe said, "I am a bricklayer of 9, Commercial Road, Holloway. I was in the Clarence public-house and saw the prosecutor paying for pots of beer," I did not see him take his purse out; I saw him take a sovereign out of his purse and change it over the bar for silver and gold, and put the change in his pocket"âthe case was then put back for the barman to be called; the Magistrate pointed out what they had saidâGeorge then said, "I do not wish to call any witnesses; he came up himself; I do not wish to have him bound over"âthere was subsequently a charge against Reeks, and I gave the evidence I have given to-dayâwhen I had finished his evidence I read it over and he said, "I am very sorry if I told the gentleman that, I was in drink at the time"âhe did not seem in drinkâthis was more than a week afterwards at 12 a. m.

ERNEST FLECK . My father is the proprietor of the ClarenceâI serve in the barâit is a fully licensed houseâon Friday, November 22nd, I had observation of the three bars from 6.20 p.m. to 8.20 p.m., and from 8.40 to 10.30âI saw Williams there at seven o'clockâI did not change a sovereign for him that eveningâI served him with two pots of beer, and he paid 8d. for themâhe showed me a sovereign about 7.30, between his thumb and finger, and said that he would row any man for a sovereignâthe prisoners were not there thenâthey were in another bar later on.

By theCOURT. I saw nothing of a man being held against the partition by two men, nor did I see Williams with his back against the door, saying, "No one shall go out till I get my sovereign"âthere are five bars; two of them are public bars, and my brother and I served in them the whole time we were thereâthere is a place for jugs and bottlesâif a man were held against a partition, I should not notice itâthere are often things done like thatâI did not hear a man with his back against the door, call out that nobody should go out till he got his sovereign; if it had been said I should have heard it.

FREDERICK CHARLES FLECK . I help my father and brotherâon the evening of the 22nd I was with my brother in the bar; nobody else was thereâI did not change a sovereign that eveningâI saw Williams in the barâhe produced a sovereign between his finger and thumb, and told people in the bar he would race them for a sovereignâI did not see either of the prisoners thereâI was on duty from 6 to 8.40, and from 9 to 12.30âmy brother goes twenty minutes before me, he goes on from 6 to 8.30, and comes on at 8.40, and goes to bed at 10.30âwhile I was there I did not see one man holding Williams by one shoulder and one by the otherâI should not see it because I should be serving, and if it was supper time we should be one hand shortâI should not notice it if they were only larkingâthere are three barmaids and another brother.

Cross-examined by Reeks. I did not see the prosecutor put his back to the door and say that no one should go out till he got his sovereign.

The Prisoners' statements before the Magistrate: George says, "I do not know what I have to go for trial for, I am not guilty. I have lived there all my life, and never have been accused of such a thing before." Reeks' statement (only partly ready as regards the present case.)"I did not take any sovereign. I did not see it go. I thought I saw the prosecutor change a sovereign in the bar."

Reek's defence. The prosecutor came in and said he had lost a sovereign when he was in the bar, and he went out and came backâI thought he had changed the sovereign over the bar, or else I should never have gone near the Court.

NOT GUILTY .

83. EDWARD REEKS was again indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury.

The evidence in the last case was repeated. The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate. "I am very sorry. I was in drink. I know nothing about what I was saying."

NOT GUILTY .

OLD COURT.âFriday, December 13th, 1895.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

84. JOHN CALLEON, otherwise A. LOY (48), was indicted for the wilful murder of Sing En on the high seas.

The prisoner being a Chinese and imperfectly understanding English, the evidence was interpreted to him.

ALFRED ROYLE THAYER . I am in the office of the Mercantile MarineâI produce the original log of the ship Creedmore, she is described in the articles as a Colonial ship belonging to Manillaâthe articles were de posited with us.

WILLIAM RAMSAY KENNEDY . I am the master of the sailing ship Creedmoreâon the 2nd of December, we arrived in London from the port of Manillaâthe prisoner was cook on board, and the steward was a man named Sing Enâthey had been messmates between seventeen and eighteen months, both were Chineseâduring that time so far as I observed they were on friendly termsâon November 22nd, at half-past two in the afternoon, the ship was on the high seas, about sixty miles to the southward of IrelandâI was called from my cabin, and found Sing En lying on the floor outside my cabinâhe was making a tremendous noise, and blood all round himâI examined him, and I found a cut about three inches long one way, and another cut about two inches long the other way, in the centre of the big cutâI could not say how deep they were, a small part of his inside was hanging out through the woundâit was a clean cut wound, it was bleeding quite a lotâthere was a clean cut on his left hand, right across the palmâI called the chief officer, and we took his clothes off and put five stitches in the wound, washed him and put some sticking plaister on, bandaged him up, and put him in his bunk, and made him as comfortable as we could. I sent for the prisonerâhe was standing outside the cabin door while the dressing was going on, while I was attending to the deceasedâI examined the prisoner; I found a big gash in

his left armâI should judge about two inches long, just above the wristâit was bleeding considerablyâhis arm was bare; he had his sleeves rolled upâI did not notice any other wounds on his armâI attended to that, and bound it upâI then asked him, in the presence of the steward, how the thing happenedâthe steward was conscious, and able to hear itâhe spoke in Englishâanyone not accustomed to their talk could not make out what they saidâhe said he was standing by the water-barrel in the galley, cutting a piece of tobacco, and the steward was standing by the table, making the model of a little ship, and the steward said to him, "You don't do any work. Why did you not run away from the ship at Newcastle? I will kill you before you get to London"âthe cook replied that he did not want to run away from the ship, and that he did his work properlyâ"What do you want to kill me for?" and, with that, the steward picked up the big knife off the table, and made a blow on his head like that (describing); that he put his left arm up to save his head, and he received the blow on his arm, which he now has the wound ofâhe then wrestled with the big knife, and, being the stronger, he got the knife from him and pushed it into his stomachâthat was all he said thenâI then asked the steward in the cook's presence, who used the knife firstâhe said the cook used the knife first, and that he did not use it at all; that he then told the cook to have fish for to-morrow's dinner, and with that he was sitting down making a small ship on the stool at the galley, and the cook picked up the knife in his left hand and cut his hand, and that they fell on the floorâI asked if there was anyone round there to see itâhe said, "No; they came round after they heard the scream"; that he then came running aft to the cabin; he said the cook was a very bad man; he did not know what he wanted to kill him for; he said that to me frequentlyâI locked the prisoner up in his own roomâI afterwards went to the cook's galley; I found nothing unusual thereâwhile I was sewing up the wound the carpenter brought up three knives (produced); one of them is larger than the others; this is the big one, marked "Bull dog"âit belongs to themselves; I don't know whether it is the steward's or the cook's; it was kept in the galley for carving meatâI examined them; I found blood on the big one, close to the pointâthere was nothing on the other twoâthe steward got worse gradually, and died on November 29th, and was buried at seaânothing had happened to him besides the wound; he vomited all the time, up and downâthe wound was three inches one way and two the other; it was all one wound; it was as if the knife went that way, and turned round and went that way; it looked to me that they were both clean cutsâwe touched at Newcastle on our way homeâwe had been there when the cook and the steward were in the company.

Cross-examined. The prisoner came to us with discharges and an excellent characterâhe gave me every satisfaction, and was a thorough good sailorâI always found him a peaceable, inoffensive man; he was in no way quarrelsomeâI entertain so high an opinion of him that I would still give him a berthâI said at the Police-court that he said, "We wrestled, then I threw out my left hand and had hold of the knife; the steward was down on the floor when I pushed the little knife into him"âthat was what he saidâthis is the little knife that was the one he was using in cutting the tobaccoâthe sailors might have been chaffing the

deceased about a Christmas card that his wife had sent to the prisoner; I did not hear anything about itâI never heard any threat between them; they al ways got along peaceably and quietâI never heard him threaten to kill him.

By theCOURT. When the cook put up his left arm, that protected his head, he received the wound.

EDWARD JACKSON . I was an able seaman on board the CreedmoreâI was on board on November 22ndâabout two in the afternoon I was passing the galley, and saw the cook and the steward; the cook was cutting a pipe of tobacco, the steward was making the model of a ship; they seemed to be in a friendly wayâI went for'ard to get a drink of water, and about three or four minutes after I heard screams from the galleyâI ran to the galley door, and saw the cook and steward wrestling with a big knife; the cook was standing up alongside the water-barrel, and the steward was lying down on the floor on his backâthe cook had hold of the knife with both handsâthe steward had his right round the cook's left wristâthe steward had hold of the knife, with his left hand round the blade and his right hand round the cook's left wristâI did not see the wound then; he must have been already wounded thenâI did not see any blood, but he dropped the knife on the floor then; they both dropped itâI was within three feet or so of themâthe steward got up and came on deck; he was then bleeding on the right sideâthe cook came out on deck from the galley a minute or two afterwardsâneither of them spoke to meâI followed the cook to the cabin door, and asked him what was the matterâhe said that the steward asked him why he did not leave the ship at Newcastle, and he said he had no reason for leaving the ship, and the steward said, "I will kill you"âthe cook answered, "What do you want to kill me for? In a couple of days more we will be in London"âthat was all that was said to meâI noticed the three knives on the floor after the cook came outâI did not pick them upâthey were lying together, a little bit apart, about a foot or so.

Cross-examined. In the galley there is a shelf, bound with copperânext day I noticed a cut on it, as if from a knifeâI believe it was a fresh cutâboth the cook and steward appeared to be wrestling for the knifeâthis little knife was lying on the floor by the steward's feetâthe knives belonged to, the galley, they were always thereâI have seen the steward using itâthis little knife must have been under the steward when he was lying downâI had seen him using it in making a model.

MR. DERMAN. I was chief officer of the Creedmore on her last voyageâon November 22nd, between two and three p.m., I was in my bunk and heard a screamâI was called to the steward, and assisted in dressing his woundâI also attended to a gash across the prisoner's wristâa few days afterwards I said to the prisoner, "What knife have you used?" he said, "The small knife;" "I said, "It must have been the big knife, as there was no blood on the small knife"âhe made no reply.

Cross-examined. He said, "The steward used the knife first, and I took it away from him; I was cutting up tobacco and pushed the small knife into him"âhe said that he pushed him away with the small knife which he cut him withâI am chief officer of the shipâabout a week before November 22nd I was passing the galley door, and saw the deceased in there; he said, "Mr. Derman, one time one man marry one

girl; he go away and when he comes back find another man in the house; he kill the man and run away, policeman catch him, he tell policeman to stop, then he would take knife and kill himself"âI never heard anything about his being very jealous of the prisonerâI furnished this statement to the Treasury.

By theCOURT. The first time I was asked about this was at the Police-stationâI was not examined before the Magistrateâthis is the first time I have been called on since I gave my statementâno one put any questions to me before the man was committed for trial.

HENRY THOMAS HAMILTON . I am surgeon to the H Divisionâon October 2nd I examined the prisoner, and found four wounds on the posterior inner surface of his left forearmâthree were trivial and had quite healed, one was an inch and a half long downwards and inwardsâthey were recentâthe large wound was still suppurating; the others were quite well; there were scabs on themâthe large wound might have been caused by either of their knives or by any sharp instrumentâinflammation of the liver would be caused by puncturation.

HENRY DREW (Police Inspector H). On December 2nd the prisoner was brought to Shadwell Police-station; the captain and some of the officers of the Creedmore came with him, and made statements to me, which I wrote downâMr. Piercy was sent for, and translated to the prisoner, who made a statementâMr. Piercy translated it to me as he made it, and I wrote it down and read it in English to Mr. PiercyâI do not understand Chinese.

By theCOURT. I have not got the charge-sheet hereâI had charge of this caseâDerman was taken before the Magistrate, but not examined; the gentleman conducting the prosecution, Mr. Lewis, I think, did not think proper to examine himâI took him before the Magistrate each dayâI thought of examining him on the 2nd.

GEORGE PIERCY . I am a Wesleyan missionary, and have resided thirty-two years in ChinaâI live at Assay, Cambridge Road, Leytonâon December 2nd I went to Shadwell Police-station, and heard the prisoner make a statement in ChineseâI translated it into English, the inspector wrote it down sentence for sentence, and I read it over to the prisoner; I do not know whether he signed it, but I didâthe prisoner did not correct any part of it (Read:â"He cut me first. The steward was making a small model ship; he said to me, 'You don't do your duty properly.' I said, 'I think I do; I have done my cooking in the way you require of me.' The steward then said to me, 'When in Newcastle why did you not run away?' I answered, 'I had no reason for running away, and did not wish to do so.' He said. 'As you have not run away before we get to London, I will kill you.' I asked him, 'Why will you kill me? in two or three days we shall be in London.' The steward then took up the big knife and aimed a blow at my face; I used my left arm to defend myself, and was cut near the wrist. I then thrust out my hand, with the small knife in it, in self-defence, and, without design, cut him. He fell on the floor; I put down the little knife, and took hold of his hand to take away the big knife. He would not let go, but let go with one hand, and caught hold of the blade and cut his hand; I shook him, and he let go altogether and went out. After he went out I followed aft, with my wrist bleeding. The captain was at the door of the

cabin, and bound up my wrist, and then called on me to go back to the galley, which I did, and the carpenter came to me some days afterwards and said, the man was dead, and you will be tried for your life; it is the English fashion, life for life"âI said, "I don't know the cause of enmity of the steward to me"âthe carpenter said, "I know all about it; he was jealous of you about something which took place at his home"âa few days before the occurrence, when in the galley, the steward told the mate something about a woman in which there was considerable jealousy aroused against me, and the quarrel arose out of thatâit is nothing more than jealousy; he was always growling at me, and wanted me to growl at him, so there could be a quarrel, and he would kill meâI always laughed when he growled at me.

LOUISA SING EN . I was the wife of Sing En, the steward of the Creedmore; I live at 19, Upper Brook Street, Liverpool.

Cross-examined. I kept a boarding-house at Liverpool when my husband was away at seaâthe prisoner stopped there, but he had nothing to do with meâmy husband had just come homeâthe prisoner stopped at the boarding-house with me while my husband went on a short voyage, and when he came back he told me he was anxious to take the prisoner on a voyage as cookâthat was in July, 1894âI tried to dissuade him from doing so, and there was a little bit of bother about itâI did not say anything to my husband one way or the otherâat Christmas, 1894, I sent a Christmas card to my husband, and one to the prisoner, in the same letter, which was addressed to my husband at New South Wales.

W.R. KENNEDY (Re-examined). This is the logâI have read it allâthe prisoner said tome that they had been quarrellingâhe pulled the knife from the steward and stabbed him in the stomachâboth statements are in the logâthe statement of the dead man was that the cook picked up the big knife, and made at him, and when he came to grapple, he, being the stronger, pulled the knife from him and stabbed him in the stomach.

NOT GUILTY .

85. ELIZABETH WEST was indicted for wilful and corrupt perjury in making a charge of rape against Charles Alfred Searle.

MR. GUY STEPHENSON Prosecuted.

NOT GUILTY .

86. WILLIAM THOMAS NOBLE (30) , indicted for and charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the manslaughter of Alfred Noble.

MR. E. PERCIVAL CLARKE Prosecuted andMR. YOUNGDefended.

ARTHUR SMITH . I am a labourer, living at ChiswickâI have known the prisoner twelve or thirteen years, and the deceased, his brotherâon Saturday night, November 2nd, I was with Walter Honour about 10.55; we turned out of the George IV. public-house, High Road, Chiswickâmy attention was attracted by a crowd on the opposite side of the road, near Mr. Wyatt's, butcher's, shopâI and Honour crossed the roadâI saw the two Nobles and the prisoner's wife and Stromeyer, a sweep who worked for the prisonerâI fancied they had been rowingâthey went towards Hammersmith, and me and Honour tooâa crowd was followingâwhen they got to Upham Park Road the deceased said, "Which one shall I fight?" to either the prisoner or Stromeyer, and I said, "Don't fight, you will get locked up; here comes a policeman"âa policeman was

coming; they moved onâjust before they got to Little Hammersmith Station the prisoner came from the roadway and struck the deceased on the right side of the face with his fistâthe deceased was then on the hard paved path, and the prisoner in the road alongside the deceased, about two yards from himâI did not hear him talk to his brotherâthe deceased was the worse for liquorâI saw the blow struck, and then the deceased fell on his head on the path; the left side of his head struck the pathâI saw the blow reach his faceâI was about 2 1/2 yards offâI did not see the deceased turn roundâa constable came upâI went to pick up the deceased, and the constable told me to lay him downâthe prisoner walked to the roadway, and I saw no more of himâthe deceased was unconscious on the ground.

Cross-examined. I was on the path by the deceased's sideâit was on the left side of Hammersmith Roadâwe were all going towards Hammersmithâthe deceased, Honour and I were walking alongside one anotherâI was nearest the wallâthe prisoner's wife was two or three yards behindâI saw the prisoner's fist reach the deceased's face, and he fell downâI did not see Alfred turn roundâwhen struck the deceased had his head towards Hammersmithâthe prisoner was not in liquor.

Re-examined. If he had fallen forward on his face he would not have had his head towards Hammersmith if he had turned round.

By theCOURT. I saw the prisoner's arm go, and immediately after that the deceased fell.

WALTER HONOUR . I am a bricklayer, of ChiswickâI was with Smith on November 2nd a little before eleven p. m.âwe came outside the George IV. and waited outside two or three minutesâI asked Smith if he would have a walk with me towards Hammersmith; he went with meâwe saw a crowd over the road and went overâI did not hear anything; I stood back against the shops; something was saidâthey walked oh till they got to Upham Park Road, when somebody was going to fightâI did not know the prisoner or any of themâI saw one man with his coat off; I could not recognise himâI stood back on the pavement, and they were on the corner of the pathâI heard one man say, "I will fight you"âa policeman came up and they moved onâSmith went up and persuaded them to go awayâas they went away they were talking; I could not hear what was saidâI should think they were net on friendly termsâI heard the prisoner say, "Look at him going along with my wife"âthe deceased was going along with herâabout thirty yards the other side the railway-station, the prisoner was in the road, and the deceased was on the path with the prisoner's wifeâshe was just behind the deceasedâI was very close to themâthe prisoner came out of the road and struck his brother on the right side of the face with his right fist, and he fell on the pavementâhis fist reached himâI could not say if the deceased wanted to fightâI heard some one say, "Which one have I got to fight?"

Cross-examined. The night was not very dark; the stars were outâI could not recognise the features of the men whom Smith told not to fightâI could say whether the man whose coat was half off went to the deceasedâI don't think there was much force behind the blow which reached the deceasedâthe prisoner came out from the side of the road, and his brother was, as nearly as I can say, in the centre of the pathâthe

deceased fell sidewaysâI believe the deceased was very much in liquorâI had observed that before, when coming up the road.

ROBERT SHEPHERD . I am house-surgeon at West London HospitalâI did not see the deceased when he was brought inâI saw him about 9 a.m. on November 3rdâI heard he was Alfred Nobleâhe was unconscious when I saw him, he appeared to be suffering from concussion and compression of the brainâI examined him, he had a lacerated wound on the left side of his forehead, reaching down to the boneâthat wound might have been caused by a fall on the pavementâthe man never regained consciousnessâhe was trephined on the afternoon of that day to see if it were possible to relieve the compression of the brainâhis left eye was slightly blackened; there were no other marks or bruises on himâhe died on 4th at 6.15 a.m.âI made a post-mortem examinationâthe cause of death was compression and concussion of the brain, and fracture of the brain.

CHARLES FAULKNER (387 T). On November 2nd, about 11.5 p.m., I was on duty in High Road, Chiswick, and my attention was attracted by a crowd of people near the Roebuck public-house quarrelling, and someone said, "I will fight you"âI went towards the crowd and it disappearedâI followed towards Hammersmithâwhen I came to the corner of Upham Park Road Stromeyer, who was with Alfred and William Noble and William Noble's wife, began to pull off his coat, and said, "I will fight you"âhe was near the prisonerâI went towards them; they again disappearedâI followed them up the High Roadâbefore we came to the railway station I heard the prisoner, who was walking in the roadway, several times say, "You dirty dog"âthe deceased was walking on the footway with the prisoner's wifeâafter the prisoner had said that he rushed out from the road and struck the deceased, who, in consequence, immediately fell down in a heap backwardsâthe prisoner made across the road, and I lost sight of himâknowing him, I attended to the injured manâI found him bleeding very profusely from a wound on the left side of the foreheadâI stopped the bleeding and sent for a doctor and the ambulanceâI afterwards saw the dead body of the deceased at the Lambeth Mortuary, where the inquest was heldâthat was the body of the man who had been taken to the West London Hospital.

Cross-examined. I cannot say something was not said before the prisoner said, "You dirty dog"âthere was no extra noise at the time the blow was struckâthere were a number of people there besides the ones I identifyâall the party was close togetherâthe deceased had turned round before he was struck; he was almost full-faced, almost enough to be struck on the left side of the faceâif the prisoner had advanced to him in a diagonal manner, he might have struck him on the other sideâhe turned round as he was walkingâhe was not very much in liquor; he had been drinking.

DAVID RAWLINGS (Inspector T). I arrested the prisoner, and told him I should take him into custody for assaulting his brother, and doing him grievous bodily harmâhe said, "I followed him up the road, when he turned round to strike me, and I struck him in self-defence."

Cross-examined. Before this the prisoner had sent down to the Policy

station for protection, and said his brother and wife were removing the furnitureâI sent a constable, mid the brother was gone then.

GEORGE VERE BENSON . I am Deputy Coroner for West MiddlesexâI was present at the inquest held on the body of the deceasedâthe prisoner was then a voluntary witness and gave evidence which I took downâit was read to him and he signed it, and the Coroner signed itâthis it the Coroner's signatureâI took the depositionâthe prisoner had an opportunity of cross-examining all the witnesses; he was represented by a solicitorâhe was cautioned. (The prisoner's deposition before the Coroner was read. In this he stated that his brother had worked for him, but that he got rid of him six weeks before on account of his dirty habits that he went to Peterborough for two days, and when he came back found his wife drunk and his brother packing up the bedding, and a boy with a cart ready to take the things away; that he went to look for assistance; that certain things were taken away that night, and others the, next clay; that every day he saw his wife with his brother; that she used to be with him at night; that when he spoke to her about it she called him bad names; that on November 2nd he and Stromeyer met his wife with his brother, that they called him names; that he followed them to find where they were living, and that finally his brother hit at him, and he hit back, and his brother fell, but he did not know if his blow reached his brother.)

Witnesses for the Defence.

ALFRED STROMEYER . I am a chimney-sweep, now living at 74, High Street, Bradfordâon November 2nd, just before eleven, I was in a public house with the prisoner; we were both quite soberâthe deceased and the prisoner's wife came through the door in the compartment, and she said, "Good-night, you dirty little pup," referring to the prisonerâand the deceased, as he followed her, said, "Good-night, Tommy Dodd; you cannot sleep with this no more," referring to herâthe prisoner said, "Come with me, Alfred, and I will see where they are living, and I will see if I can get my things back"âhe meant things that I knew had been taken away by the deceased and old Mr. Noble's boyâwe went up the, main road towards Hammersmith, and when we got this side of Elliot Road the deceased challenged me and the prisoner to fightâMrs. Noble only kept cursing and swearingâI did not see the prisoner make any attempt to fight before his brother offered to fight himâwhen they got to the other side of Elliot Road, I was going along the pavement on the left hand side, a tidy way from Little Hammersmith station, the deceased turned and said to a man, "Come and pick me up while I fight one of these twoâI said, "I will fight you"âthe prisoner did not fight; the deceased offered to fight him, and the prisoner refused two or three timesâhe and his brother were calling one another names going up the roadâthe prisoner spoke about his having his wife and his thingsâon the other side of Little Hammersmith station, under a big tree, where it was not very light, the prisoner was in the gutter and I by his side, and the deceased and Mrs. Noble were on the pavementâthe deceased turned round two or three times to strike the prisoner going up the road, in a threatening wayâthe prisoner walked along by my side, and I did not see him do anythingâthen the deceased hit at the prisoner and the prisoner offered to hit him, whether he hit him or not I cannot say, but

the deceased fell downâI saw him on the groundâI did not see him fallâit was about half an hour after we left the public-house that this happened, or it might be a shorter timeâI knew the deceased had gone off with Mrs. Noble because I have worked for the prisoner, and we met them morning, noon, and night together; and they kept taunting the prisonerâthe deceased kept laughing to me about going off with the prisoner's wife: "I have got his old woman."

Cross-examined. The prisoner has been my employerâI gave some evidence before the Coroner, but I had hardly time to finish itâthe deceased said outside the public-house, "I have got your old woman, good night," not insideâI was not called before the Magistrate because I had not time to wash myself, and my face was black, and for the same reason they would not hear me before the Coroner for a long timeâon the second occasion before the Coroner my face was clean, and then I gave evidence and signed my depositionâMr. Benson was sitting beside the Coroner when he would not hear meâwhen I got near Little Hammersmith station I went away for a certain purpose, and did not see the blow struck that made the man fall.

G. V. BENSON (Re-examined by theCOURT). The Coroner did not refuse to hear Stromeyer, but he reproved him for coming in that condition, and said he did not know whether he could take his evidence in that conditionâStromeyer was soberâthe Coroner told him to stand back and not leave the Court, as he might require to take his evidence presently.

A witness deposed to the prisoner's character, as a steady, quiet, inoffensive man.INSPECTOR RAWLINGSalso deposed to this being the prisoner's character.

ALFRED STROMEYER (Re-examined by theCOURT). When the prisoner's wife said "You dirty little pup," the prisoner said, "Go along with myââbrother"ââI was not there when the deceased fell, and did not see what caused him to fall.

GUILTY .

Recommended to mercy by theJURY, as they thought he had suffered great provocation.â Discharged on recognisances.

ESSEX CASE.

Before Mr. Common Serjeant.

87. ALFRED POULTON (19) PLEADED GUILTY to burglary in the dwelling-house of James Ripper, and stealing a watch and other articles, his property.â Three Months' Hard Labour.

KENT CASES.

Before Mr. Justice Hawkins.

88. MARY MATILDA CROOK (34) , was charged on the Coroner's Inquisition with the manslaughter of Nellie Crook.

MR. HUTTON, for the Prosecution, offered no evidence on the inquisition.

NOT GUILTY .

89. MARY MATILDA CROOK was again indicted for unlawfully neglecting the said Nellie Crook in a manner likely to cause injury to her health.

MR. HUTTONProsecuted.

JAMES NURTON . I live at 7, Harpur Street, BloomsburyâI am an officer of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Childrenâon October 25th I went to No. 2, Rowley Street, Deptford, and to a room on the second floorâI there saw the prisonerâshe had a baby in her arms, and there were four other children there, one aged thirteenâthe room smelled very badly, a dirty kind of smellâthe child she was nursing was very dirty, there were vermin in its head, also sores on its headâI said to the prisoner, "The baby looks very ill"âshe said, "Yes, it is suffering from consumptive bowels"âI asked her if she had taken it to a doctorâshe said, "Yes, about two months ago"âI asked what she had been feeding it onâshe said from cow's milk and also from the breastâI asked her where it slept; she said, "On that bed," pointing to a 4-ft. 6-in. iron bedstead; it consisted of three sacks filled with shavings, and two pillows filled with flock, the whole of which were in a very dirty stateâI asked her if she had any covering in the way of beddingâshe said, No, she had not, but her husband was going to get some sheets and bedding on the following SaturdayâI advised her to take the child to the doctor without delayâI went there on the following day, alone, and saw her and the child; it looked in the same dirty stateâI asked if she had taken it to the doctor; she said she would take it to the doctor that night, Dr. Hawkesworthâshe also said her husband was going to get the blanket and sheet on the Monday; the room was in the same conditionâon the following day there was no food in the room, and I went for some milk and food for the childrenâI saw the child take the milk; it took it very ravenouslyâon the 25th I weighed the childâon the second day there was food, bread and butter, and some milk for the babyâI went again on the following Monday, the 28th, with Inspector Chownâthere was no alteration in the state of the room or in the state of the childâshe told me she had taken it to the doctor on the Saturday; in the meantime I had communicated with Dr. Cable.

By theCOURT. It is usual in these cases to have the Society's doctor; I instructed him on the SaturdayâI went to Dr. Hawkesworth, and he told me the woman had taken the child to him three months-before.

EDWARD HAWKESWORTH . I am a medical man, of 249, Evelyn Street, Deptford; that is about fifty or 100 yards from where the prisoner lodgedâI remember attending her child in JulyâI do not remember who first brought it to me; I was told it had diarrhÅ a and sicknessâI gave it medicineâI saw it no more until Octoberâthe prisoner brought it to me on October 26th; it was then suffering from bronchitis and sores in the headâsome of the sores I should say were due to liceâthere was nothing about them to show that they came from lice, except that they usually accompany liceâthere was one old sore which, I think, might have been due to ringwormâthe child was thin and dirty; there was a nasty smell from itâI saw vermin in its headâI told the prisoner to take it home, and ordered some beef-tea and milk for it, and I think a little whisky or brandy; I saw it again either on the 30th or 31st, it was then alive, but very badâI saw it in my surgery, a little girl brought itâI considered that it was

dying, I did not notice as to its cleanliness, it was too illâI told the child to take it home and not to bring it out againâon November 2nd I made a post-mortem examination of it, it weighed 13 lbs. some ounces, the normal weight of such a child would be 24 or 25 lbs., if fully developed and thrivingâit was a fully developed child; I saw nothing to tell me it was not; it was a delicate childâI noticed lice on the body and on the head, and sores, some on the back and some on the headâI should say some of those on the back were probably bed sores, and others were old ones; I could not say what had caused themâI found traces of bronchitis and the whole of the internal organs were very pale and bloodlessâthe bronchitis in itself was enough to cause deathâwant of cleanliness would have a bad effect, it would require a little extra care to keep off the verminâbad air or unsuitable or insufficient food would account for the emaciation.

By theCOURT. As to food, what will suit one child will not suit another; we find a good many kind mothers who do not know how to treat their children, they give them unsuitable food and they do not thriveâthe presence of lice would prevent sleep, and cause great irritation; lice very often come of themselves, or from dirt; I have sometimes seen very clean people catch one or two, they breed very rapidly, it would take a week or two to get into that state, it had vermin on the head when I first saw itâI cannot remember whether I spoke to the prisoner about itâI should be likely to; as far as I can rememberâchildren vary very much in weight; in a child a year old it would vary in from sixteen to twenty instancesâI understood that this child was two years old; I was not in the habit of seeing the prisoner; I was never inside the house.

GEORGE HUGH CABLE . I am a medical man, of Royal Hill, Greenwichâon October 27th I went and saw this child; I had never seen it beforeâthe room was in a filthy condition; it smelt very offensiveâthe child was dressed; it had on a small frock and a little shift; I could see the body; I lifted up the frockâthe child was in a very dirty condition, in fact, grimed with dirtâthe smell in the room was as if filth had been emptied on the floor and had not been cleaned up, and there was soap and candle grease, and other matter, as if it had been all grimed in togetherâI told the prisoner that her room was in a very filthy condition; why did she not clean itâshe said she hadâI said "You have made a very poor attempt at it"âI saw vermin on the child's head; it was apparently very illâit was suffering from bronchitis, that was enough to kill itâI could not trace the suffering from anything else; there was emaciationâI told the prisoner it was very ill, and she ought to have great care of it, or she would lose it; that she must keep it warm, and act according to the instructions she had received from Dr. HawkesworthâI thought his advice excellentâmy attendance was on behalf of the society to reportâthey generally prefer to have some one who has seen a great many of these cases, and able to examine into themâI have other practice.

DR. HAWKESWORTH (Recalled). Vermin are easily got rid of by application to the headâI cannot remember that I recommended anyâI did not see whether my directions had been carried outâthe first time I saw the child it was suffering from an ordinary attack of bronchitis; the next time it was a more severe form.

PRISONER. I don't wish to say anything, everything I gave it passed through it.

GUILTY â One Month Hard Labour.

Before Mr. Recorder.

90. GEORGE HOUGH (22) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Charles John Rozier, and stealing a coat and vest, his property.

MR. KYDProsecuted.

CHARLES JOHN ROZIER . I am a lighterman, and live at 61, James Street, Deptfordâon November 12th I went to bed about twelveâI looked round the house; it was all securely fastenedâI left a coat hanging on the back of a chair in the kitchen; in an inside pocket of the coat there were some documents to the value of Â£596, some bills of lading and my licence; this (produced) is my coat, the papers are gone.

SARAH ROZIER . I am the prosecutor's wifeâon November 12th before going to bed I saw that the house was fastened upâin the night I heard something, I came down and found the kitchen door and the scullery window open; the fastenings were broken; I missed my husband's coat.

JOHN WOOD (511 R), At six in the morning of the 13th I saw the prisoner in New King Street, Deptford, he entered a coffee shopâI went in and asked him where he got the coat he was carrying on his arm; not this one but anotherâhe said, "That is my coat"âhe said, "I bought it"âI said, "Where?"âhe said, "Find out"âI took him into custodyâthere was a two foot rule in the coat pocketâon the way to the station he said, "That is not the coat you want, governor"âat the station he was charged with the unlawful possession of this coat, it was identified by Mrs. Keen as stolen that same nightâI had been watching the prisoner from 11.30 till two, and lost sight of him at the railway arches at the back of Mr. Rozier's.

ROBERT KEEN . I am a labourer, of 123, Loam Street, Greenwichâthis is my coat; it had a rule in the pocket; I missed this coat and another, when I came down in the morning, and this other coat belonging to Mr. Rozier was lying on the window.

WILLIAM GALL (264 R). I was with Wood when he arrested the prisonerâI afterwards went to the house and found that the scullery window had been forced open; the bolt had been forced outâat the station I told the prisoner he would be charged with burglaryâhe said, "The waistcoat he left hanging on the fence; that the window was open when he got in and he took the coat off the nail at the back of the kitchen door, but he never saw any papers"âI had been watching him with Wood, and lost sight of him just by the railway arch.

The prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "The door was open in one case, and anybody could get in; people ought to be more careful. I have nothing to say in the other case."

Prisoner's Defence: I don't know nothing at all about it.

GUILTY .âHe thenPLEADED GUILTYto a conviction at thisCOURTon October 22nd, 1894, five other convictions were proved against him.DR. WALKERstated that the prisoner was of weak intellect.

Eighteen Months' Hard Labour.

91. WILLIAM HAMES (23) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Albert Parker, with intent to steal.

MR. MORESBYProsecuted.

ALBERT PARKER . I keep the Kent Arms, North Woolwichâon November 12th I went to bed about twenty minutes past oneâI was the last person upâI looked at the doors and windows, and they were secureâI was knocked up by the police at two minutes to two; I put on my trousers and socks, and came downstairsâI struck a light at the bar door, and saw the prisoner standing thereâas soon he saw me he laid down on a seat and began snoringâI went for the police, and he was takenâthe door was bolted; by shoving against it it would push the boltsâan iron bar goes across the door; it was bolted at the topâsomething put between the doors would shift the bolts, and by shaking the bar would go down.

ROBERT POINTER (737 K). On November 12th, at two a.m., I was on duty in Dock Street, North Woolwich; I heard a creaking noise, and I went on and found the door of the public-house partly openâI aroused the landlord; he came downâStainer came up, and we went inside, and found the prisoner lying on the seat in the barâhe said he had been locked in the previous night; he was soberâI had tried the doors at half-past one, and found them all secureâI found on him 10s. in gold, some silver and bronze, and a metal pin.

GEORGE STAINER (190 K). At two a. m. on November 12th I was proceeding along Albert Road; I heard a noise of breaking and shaking of the doorâI found Pointer thereâthe landlord came downâwe went in, and found the prisoner lying on a seat in the private bar, pretending to be asleepâhe said, "I was locked in here"âI said, "You could not have been, for I saw you in High Street at half-past one, and you asked me the way to Shadwell"âI found this metal pin on himâI tried it to see if it could be inserted between the folding-doors, and I could push the bolt back with it, and then by shaking the bolts would come openâthere was a bar across the door, it was bent, and the doors would open.

The Prisoner's statement before the Magistrate: "I was not twenty-four hours off my ship; I was drunk; I would not go and do a thing like that; I had money to draw; I came ashore with Â£2 in my pocket."

Prisoner's Defence. I come from South America. I was never here before. I came home with Â£2. I lost my way the same day. I bought a pair of boots, a hat and handkerchief. I could draw Â£3 16s. 9d. next day; would I commit a felony? The pin I used on board shipâI had only just come to land.

GEORGE STAINER (Re-called). He did not apply to me to call anyone from the shipâhe asked me to go to the ship to see if his money would be rightâI went, and the officer said the money would be retained for him when they came backâthey knew nothing about him till he shipped at St. Senate.

GUILTY .âHe thenPLEADED GUILTYto a previous conviction of felony at Liver-pool on September 15th, 1894, and three other convictions were proved against him.

93. ALFRED FAREWELL (21) and ROBERT MCKENZIE (22) , Burglary in the dwelling-house of Charles Shields, and stealing a clock, an album, and other goods; Second Count, for receiving the same, to which

MCKENZIE PLEADED GUILTY .

MR. STEWARDProsecuted.

WILLIAM HATCH (344 P). On the morning of November 17th I was on duty at the corner of Clayton Road and Albert Road, PeckhamâI saw two men come out of the front garden of 95, Albert Road, each carrying a bundleâI went towards themâas soon as they saw me they dropped the bundles and ran awayâI followed, and blew my whistle, and a constable joined in the chase and stopped FarewellâI had lost sight of him for a minuteâwe brought him down the road towards the station, and on the road picked up the two bundlesâwe took Farewell to the station and searched him, and in his left boot found this table knife, and in his right boot this jemmy, and in his pockets this handkerchief, and a purse containing 4 1/2 d., a box of silent matches, a key, and a piece of wax candleâin one bundle I found this pipe, a marble clock, keyâat the station he said, "I admit going into the show"âthe handkerchief that was tied round the clock, he said, was his.

CHARES SHIELDS . I live at 94, Albert Road, Peckhamâon November 16th, before going to bed, I saw all safeâI was aroused between three and half-past by the constable, and missed this clock and other things.

GEORGE HODDER (Sergeant P). I went to the prosecutor's houseâI found an entry had been effected by forcing back the catch of the window; the marks corresponded with this jemmy.

GUILTY .

FAREWELL PLEADED GUILTYto a conviction in June, 1893, when he was sentenced to Three Years' Penal Servitude; other convictions were proved against him.â Fifteen Months' Hard Labour. MCKENZIEâ Three Years' Penal Servitude; other convictions were proved against him.

LENA HELLIN . I live at 135, Princes Road, LambethâI lived with the prisoner six monthsâI am not married to himâon November 19th, about four o'clock, I saw him in the street, and told him he could not go home with me, as Mrs. Whiting would not let him inâthat caused a quarrel between us, and he gave me a smack on my face, but nothing to hurtâmy nose bledâabout six o'clock Mrs. Lot and Mrs. Laws and I were having tea in the kitchen, and the prisoner came in, hit me on my back, and I felt bloodâI bent down and got a wound on my armâI heard something go into the fire, but did not see itâsomeone fetched a

constableâI was taken to the station, and my wounds were dressed by a doctorâI gave evidence next day, and went to the infirmary, and remained there till December 7th.

Cross-examined by the Prisoner. I did not hear you say that you would hang for me.

GEORGE WHITING . I am a coal-porter, of 135, Princes Roadâthe prisoner and the last witness have lodged with me since the middle of Juneâthey were on friendly terms till two or three days before this when they had both been drinking and were quarrellingâon November 19 I was in the kitchen with her and Mrs. Laws, and my wifeâthe prisoner knocked at the door; my wife went to open it, and said, "You can't come in here, Mr. Hellin;" he pushed past her, and crossed the room to Mrs. Hellin and began thumping herâI said, "I won't have this," and got him to the door; meanwhile she shifted to the fireplace and sat in an easy chair, and the prisoner was thumping her; I was going to him, and my wife said, "You silly fool, he has got a knife; come away," and pulled me awayâI said, "I will go and fetch a policeman," and I had hardly got up the area steps when my wife shouted "Murder" and "Police"âthe prisoner said, "I will do for the bââlandlord directly"âMrs. Laws fetched a constableâI did not see the knife.

ELIZABETH WHITING . I am the wife of the last witnessâI saw a mob outside my gate about 4.30, and Mrs. Hellin ran down the area steps, and Mr. Hellin kicking herâI opened my door and took her inâhe abused me very much, and used bad language outsideâhe said, "I will be hung for you and Mrs. Hellin before the night is out"âabout six o'clock a knock came; I went to the door, and he had this knife in his hand; he pushed me away and went into the kitchenâMrs. Hellin ran to the side of the fireplace and sat in a chairâhe said to my husband, "If you don't leave go I, will stab you," and stabbed him in the armâhe went out, and the prisoner kept on stabbing Mrs. HellinâI said, "Oh, Mr. Hellin, don't kill her in my kitchen"âhe then used very bad words and ran after me, and said, "I will stab you," and I saw him stab meâhe stabbed Mrs. Hellin five or six times, and then put the knife in the fire.

Cross-examined. I told the policeman you had put the knife in the fire.

ELIZABETH LAWS . I am the wife of Thomas Laws, of 137, Vauxhall Street, Lambethâon January 19th I was in Mr. Whiting's kitchen at six o'clockâthere was a knock, Mrs. Whiting opened the door; the prisoner pushed her aside and came in; she called "Help!" and the prisoner stabbed Mr. Whiting through the armâI rushed out.

GEORGE PAYNE (Police Sergeant 21). On November 19th, about 65, Mrs. Laws called me; I went to this house and said to the prisoner, "What is this?"âhe said, "They know, I don't"âI told him he would be charged with stabbing; he made no replyâI took him to the station and asked him if he had a knife at homeâhe said, "No, I have got no knife; they fell among the thieves"âI went back to the house and found this knife (produced) in the fireâthe large blade was like this. (Half-open)âthe prisoner was not at all under the effects of liquorâhe did not stagger, nor was his speech thickâhe answered my questions clearlyâhe might have been drinking during the day, but was not affected whatever.

GEORGE NICHOL HENRY . I am a surgeon, of 175A, Kennington Roadâon January 19th, about 6.30, I examined the prosecutrix at the station

and found four wounds, one on the upper part of her left shoulder blade one-third of an inch long and half an inch deep, another at the lower angle of the same bonei half an inch long and an inch deep, the tissue surrounding it was very much swollenâanother wound was on the lower side of her right arm an inch long and half an inch deepâher jacket, bodice, flannelette, and chemise were saturated with bloodâthe upper three wounds were bleeding freely, and had to be stitchedâthe wounds were such as might be caused by the large blade of this knife; the point is broken offâone of the wounds was stopped by the bone which may have broke the point of the knife, but the point was not foundâthe wound on her back was near the lungs, but was stopped by the bone.

Prisoner's Defence. I was coming home and the landlady would not let me into the house. I went out and walked about, afterwards I went back and knocked at the door, and could not get in. I went into the landlord's kitchen to ask permission to get a key to get to my room, a struggle commenced, and I struck out right and left. Mrs. Hellin was sitting by the fire and said, "He has cut my arm." Mrs. Whiting was not in the place at all.