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Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?

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Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:50:56 GMT

Am 08/19/2012 05:08 AM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni:
> Hi Marcus;
>
> I am OK with people asking for help but I don't appreciate getting spammed
> If you could please obfuscate my email address it would be better.
sorry, of course. I hope the new way is better. Otherwise just tell me
and suggest a better form.
Marcus
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: rbircher@apache.org
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD,
Solaris, OS/2)?
>>
>> Am 08/18/2012 11:55 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/18/2012 09:53 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:34 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:38 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 04:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Marcus
>> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 02:48 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marcus
>> (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 08/18/2012 06:38 AM, schrieb Keith N.
>> McKenna:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 08/02/2012 02:12 AM, schrieb Rob
>> Weir:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM,
>> drew<drew@baseanswers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 18:28
>> -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at
>> 12:24 PM, drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> jensen<drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at
>> 09:09 -0700, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did some basic
>> update to the FreeBSD porting site sometime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/freebsd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The site
>> doesn't seem linked from the top-level porting site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to
>> spend my time on the code rather than on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement,
>> however feel free to mention explicitly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to make it
>> clear: we still have some cleanup to do but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully operational
>> and FreeBSD users are fully aware that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on FreeBSD
>> releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pedro,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then for BSD it should
>> be enough to just point to the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO, we should consolidate
>> all the porting links onto that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way it gives one clear
>> place to link to in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also a single place we can
>> link to from other places in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, we should
>> probably eventually have a link to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page from the download
>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hmmm - well, I'm just
>> getting around to looking at things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the page(s) now...
>> *chuckling*..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This might not be the right
>> place for what I thought was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task - a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of existing known ports
>> which are not part of the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AOO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release regiment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The porting page and it's
>> associated pages seem more about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> act of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating a port, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_overview.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/porting_implement.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which starts off by pointing to
>> this page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that offers links to places
>> such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/udk/cpp/man/cpp_bridges.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So do we really want a page for
>> listing existing non-official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ports
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are known, a simple information
>> service for our users without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explicitly stating such,
>> endorsing the work - or do we want a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resource
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for those wanting to perform a
>> port to a new platform - for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement(s) that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the existing porting page
>> remains as a developer-focused
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It needs to be updated, of course,
>> but maybe not as urgent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then we also need a user-facing
>> page about existing ports. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be a new page in the
>> /download directory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is already a page which points to
>> 3rd party software /
>>>>>>>>>>>> packages:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/download/non_ASF.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kay has created this to compensate the
>> old distribution webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> was totally outdated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what about to extend this new page
>> with a "Ports" section
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 and others?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the announcement the
>> user-facing one would be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate, yes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Morning All;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just checking in on this thread to see if
>> there has been any
>>>>>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>>>>> on how we should do this or if we should.
>> As we are fast
>>>>>>>>>>> approaching
>>>>>>>>>>> release of 3.4.1 I would like to get this
>> into the Release Notes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a stated bore I believe that it is
>> important to get the
>>>>>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>>>>>> out that these operating systems are not
>> forgotten and that Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice is available.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I haven't seen any different let's
>> add these OSs with a
>>>>>>>>>> statement to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> "non_ASF.html" webpage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The announcement current links to:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that the wrong place? That URL is the top
>> listing if someone
>>>>>>>>> searches Google for "openoffice ports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe not wrong but IMHO totally oudated since months
>> and years and
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> also a clean-up. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO, It is almost always better to clean up (or replace)
>> an existing
>>>>>>> page at a well-known URL than to create an entirely new
>> page at a new
>>>>>>> URL. Why? Because the existing page is already linked to,
>> both
>>>>>>> internally and externally. So if we think the new content
>> is relevant
>>>>>>> to the purpose of the old webpage, e.g., information on
>> ports, then we
>>>>>>> should keep the old URL for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we can make a deal, so that everybody has a little task:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I'll clean-up the porting homepage (at least the starting
>> page)
>>>>>> - Drew is adding text for the ports to the other webpage
>>>>>> - I'll add this text also to the porting homepage
>>>>>> - and you just need to keep the link in the announcement ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've updated the starting webpage at
>>>>> "http://www.openoffice.org/porting/index.html":
>>>>
>>>> Ahm, it's still in the stageing area:
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/porting/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> @Maho,Pedro,Yuri,Nicolas:
>>>>>
>>>>> Like stated with the other ports I would like to list your name and
>> mail
>>>>> address (if available, the Apache addresses):
>>>>>
>>>>> - OpenSolaris by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas Christener)
>>>>> - Solaris (Sparc and x86) by Adfinis SyGroup AG (Nicolas
>> Christener)
>>>>> - FreeBSD by Pedro Giffuni / Maho Nakata
>>>>> - OS/2 by Yuri Dario
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this OK for you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Marcus, on this last part...should Raphael Bircher be added for the
>>> Solaris ports as well? But, we need to hear from both of them.
>>>
>>> Nice job on this update by the way.
>>
>> Hm, I don't know how much he is involved with the port.
>>
>> @Raphael:
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Marcus