Yes it can happen to all of us.... once , maybe twice. With Murray it's every match whether a 1st round or a final, and mind you pretty much every point of the match. See the difference?

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Now I know for sure you're a troll. EVERY SINGLE MATCH???, EVERY SINGLE POINT???

Until I just saw that, I was prepared to at least give you a little benefit of the doubt as to your integrity but with that truly and utterly ludicrous statement that has just been shot completely to pieces!!

I'll now happily leave you and your pals to your sad little hate-fest!

Ah I see, you have a personal hatred of Murray. I'll be the first to admit he should clean up his act now he's a GS champion and the rest but he is CLEARLY calling himself a **** head. As regards ignoring the ballboy, they all do that.

Why do you hate him so much? Typical "hate those with what I don't have" British thing?

As long as he doesn't talk rubbish about his opponents or harms anyone other than himself, he can do whatever the **** he wants. If you are so annoyed by it, stop watching his matches. No one is forcing you to.

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LOL good one.. so how could i watch the other players i wanna watch while he unfortunately plays them?
didn't think it through huh?

Watching Murray against Stepanek, and seeing the same old antics from Murray I cannot stand the guy anymore. He is such a little brat and he is a complete disgrace to the game. The commentators themselves were annoyed with his behavior saying they thought he would now start to behave like a champion and a real man.... Well, no he is still a child and doesn't behave like any of the real champions Fed, Nadal, Djoko.

One commentator was astonished that Murray was complaining again every time he was losing a ball that he was sick, tired, injured this and that.... Jesus, become a man Andy! I am so tired of his constant complaining, badmouth, and racquet breaking, ball throwing in the stand etc....
You have no dignity, just accept the fight like everybody else in any physical and mental state you are in, thats' it.

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Why are you surprised?

He has behaved like that forever, those are some of the reasons why i really don't care about Murray, even though He is a very good player.

He hates losing, nothing wrong in any professional sportsperson to hate losing.

Nadal lost at Wimbledon and hasn't played since because of injuries so its a bit harsh to jump on Murray if he complains about injuries.

Federer has won more than most (ever) but when he loses he has a face like a smacked @rse, because he hates losing.

The only exception I can see is Djokovic who will willingly go around the other side of the court to congratulate his opponent on becomming the first Brit to win a major in 76 years having carried the expectation on a nation on his shoulders since he was 18 years old. But Djokovic is lovably bonkers.

I don't see the point of a thread that is just b1tching about a player. Keep your b1tching to your playgrounds and get back to talking about tennis itself.

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Federer doesn not misbehave like Murray, not even close and yes all of them lose and don't like losing, but Murray behavior is shameless for a now grandslam champion.

Watching Murray against Stepanek, and seeing the same old antics from Murray I cannot stand the guy anymore. He is such a little brat and he is a complete disgrace to the game. The commentators themselves were annoyed with his behavior saying they thought he would now start to behave like a champion and a real man.... Well, no he is still a child and doesn't behave like any of the real champions Fed, Nadal, Djoko.

One commentator was astonished that Murray was complaining again every time he was losing a ball that he was sick, tired, injured this and that.... Jesus, become a man Andy! I am so tired of his constant complaining, badmouth, and racquet breaking, ball throwing in the stand etc....
You have no dignity, just accept the fight like everybody else in any physical and mental state you are in, thats' it.

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Why in the world would you want him to behave like Nadal?!? The endless time wasting, butt picking before every single return of serve and before every single serve motion, fake MTOs, complaining about too many hard court tournaments, water bottle adjusting, excessive celebrations on opponents UEs etc. Seriously? You would want another player who behaves like that?

All true. But don't forget the weather. He often arranges for a windstorm to be blowing just so his opponents won't be able to serve or hit their shots properly. There is nothing he won't stoop to in order to win....the dirty little cheat! :twisted:

And yet appears like a big sport saying 'I can cry like Federer, but cant play like him' . 'Nadal is the greatest player in history'.

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It's all lies and fake humility. His tears aren't even genuine. He borrows that stuff actors use when they need to look like they're crying. He does it just to gain sympathy and steal attention from his opponent.

Mind you, I wish I could be an idiot like him. I'd retire straight away with all that lovely dosh and buy me a vast estate in the highlands of Scotland with its own indoor tennis court and hire locals to play against me so I could shout and swear at them if they dared to get the odd ball past me. Self-respect my ar*e! It's just the ideal way to live!!

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing. Yesterday against stepanek, andy was throwing his racquet into the wall with all the sponsored ads, he also launched a ball into the crowd and got a violation for that. He's a very pissy person in general and maybe that's a societal thing with him being a scotsman (i'm not even joking, they are some very pissy group of people), but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception that he does, and that's ok. To me, he's a bit of the black sheep in the crowd, never smiles for the cameras and isn't really adopted as a very likable person. And I actually respect that way more, rather see someone genuine than fake, ahem someone like Romney.

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing. Yesterday against stepanek, andy was throwing his racquet into the wall with all the sponsored ads, he also launched a ball into the crowd and got a violation for that. He's a very pissy person in general and maybe that's a societal thing with him being a scotsman (i'm not even joking, they are some very pissy group of people), but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception.

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Leaving aside your casual racism, are you really, really saying that no other member of the top 5 have had code violations for racket and or ball abuse?

I really do wish people would stop pulling stuff out of their arses and presenting it as if it was fact.

Leaving aside your casual racism, are you really, really saying that no other member of the top 5 have had code violations for racket and or ball abuse?

I really do wish people would stop pulling stuff out of their arses and presenting it as if it was fact.

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No one (well, not everyone) is suggesting that Andy is a nonstop arse while the rest of the big four show nothing but class. This thread is about Murray, however, so it is perfectly acceptable to discuss his behavior in isolation. No need to resort to "but so and so also does it!"

My issue with Andy is the constant grabbing at his leg (or something else) and muttering every time he loses a point. Do you really need me to provide video evidence of the frequency of these types of events? I hardly think there is a lost point that goes by without this type of behavior. Do you dispute this?

I find it to be very disrespectful towards his lesser opponents. When he is playing more accomplished and generally superior players, I find it to be hilarious. Clearly the few players who have dominated tennis for years don't need any help from Andy in order to win a point against him.

Well unless you're a Murray-apologist or a Murray-****, it's impossible to deny that he conducted himself poorly, but this is nothing new. Imagine if you saw him play for the first time against Stepanek, not knowing anything about tennis. You might be thinking "WTF is wrong this guy. He's mental. Grow up" or something like that. He's not the only top player with annoying antics on the court, but he's the most intolerable of them all. Fact. I'll take Nadal's ass-picking any day over Murray's BS. Being completely objective, nothing Federer does really annoys me at all. Hence I get behind him more than any of the other top guys. On that note, I hope Federer mercilessly beats Murray in the semi's.

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing.

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But why are they necessarily more annoying than what the other 5 get up to when they are losing? Does he take extended MTOS like Nadal is notorious for doing or like Djokovic did in the last game of the USO final when Murray was about to serve out for the match? As for breaking racquets, Djokovic must still hold the record for that one. And as for damaging sponsors property, did Murray kick a seat with the sponsor's logo to pieces as Djokovic did in the final of the FO?

My point is not that Murray doesn't do irritating things when he feels under pressure. He beats himself up too much and shows too much negative body movement and, yes, his language can be a little choice, I agree. Not defending him for those things as some people on here like to think, I'm just pointing out they are part of his personality quirks and he has them just like every other top player has them and not everything he does or doesn't do is necessarily unique to him as some of you on here seem to be proposing. I just don't see that what he does is supposedly so much 'worse' than the foibles other players exhibit when they're under pressure and don't try and tell me they don't have them. This idea that Federer, Djokovic and Nadal are supposedly 'whiter than white' in their on-court behaviour and Murray is supposedly uniquely badly behaved is just not true and is unfair and biased. In my opinion, it's yet another example of how he seems to get treated differently on here to other players and judged by different standards.

but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception that he does, and that's ok. To me, he's a bit of the black sheep in the crowd, never smiles for the cameras and isn't really adopted as a very likable person. And I actually respect that way more, rather see someone genuine than fake, ahem someone like Romney.

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You make him seem as if he is a lot tougher than the others. Actually, he is surprisingly emotional. Joking apart, his tears are quite genuine and heartfelt. He really thought he had let British tennis fans down when he lost the Wimbledon final this year and kept apologising to them. Hardly the behaviour of a guy who couldn't give a stuff what the public think. But he's had to put up with so much criticism over the years from the press and so on and, as you can see, certain people on here, that he has tried to develop a thick skin about it and carry on regardless. In all honesty, considering the constant stick he is subjected to, it's a minor miracle he's managed to achieve even a quarter of the things he's managed to do!

Well.... I guess some people need to be spoon fed. Of course all champions hate to lose! That's not the point. The point is how one responds to losing. True champions are also gentlemen. They behave with dignity whether win or lose. Makes it clearer?

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Like Murray you mean? When he lost 4 slams, he did so like a true gentleman. When he won his first, he was utterly humble through the entire procedure.

He gets angry at himself when he loses a point - and yes, he's vocal about it. As much as we would prefer if all sportsmen kept their emotions completely inside, that isn't possible.

McEnroe was called 'The Brat' - and he had similar criticism to those you're giving Murray.

But come the end of the match, Murray is a complete gent whether he wins or loses - I don't see why we should berate his inability to keep his game emotions in check.

No one (well, not everyone) is suggesting that Andy is a nonstop arse while the rest of the big four show nothing but class. This thread is about Murray, however, so it is perfectly acceptable to discuss his behavior in isolation. No need to resort to "but so and so also does it!"

My issue with Andy is the constant grabbing at his leg (or something else) and muttering every time he loses a point. Do you really need me to provide video evidence of the frequency of these types of events? I hardly think there is a lost point that goes by without this type of behavior. Do you dispute this?

I find it to be very disrespectful towards his lesser opponents. When he is playing more accomplished and generally superior players, I find it to be hilarious. Clearly the few players who have dominated tennis for years don't need any help from Andy in order to win a point against him.

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There is if someone makes the explicit assertion that he indulges in behaviour that others do not.

There is if someone makes the explicit assertion that he indulges in behaviour that others do not.

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Of course, but such an assertion is not necessary in showing whether or not Murray is a disgrace. Would it really make you feel better to know that Murray is a disgrace, but not as much of a disgrace as some other player?

What about the rest of my post? Do you acknowledge that he engages in the behavior I described and do you think it shows a lack of class?

Murray thinks about how he can **** the guy off he is playing if thats screaming, yelling come on after a opponents error, hitting the ball at the opponent, junkballing, eyeballing, he should consentrate on his own game.

All what me and few others are saying is 'He is a bad sport and a terrible loser'.

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exactly, and a brat and a terrible example of sportmanship for kids. I guess all the Murray fans prefer to ignore these minor points.... In fact I would certainly like Murray if he wasn't such a whiny brat on court because the guy has talent.

Murray is the new Nadal as far as this forum is concerned, I see. It will be a shame if/when he drifts off the hate radar upon Nadal's return.

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Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz. Murray might give a emotive speech but he still has a icy heart underneath. I have never seen anyone so aggressive, angery or ignorant on a tennis court, even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

I would certainly like Murray if he wasn't such a whiny brat on court because the guy has talent.

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i tried to like him, honest, but he failed miserably again and again till i finally gave up. there was 1 or 2 matches with Lendl in da house that he showed a bit more self control and maturity, but it's now long degraded back to square 1.

Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz. Murray might give a emotive speech but he still has a icy heart underneath. I have never seen anyone so aggressive, angery or ignorant on a tennis court, even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

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St. Mac was a tennis artist whose deft touch and sublime hands were unequaled. His play harkens back to the halcyon days of tennis when pushing was tantamount to capitulation and dedication to fitness the modus operandi of the untalented who had no other recourse.

Criticisms of Mac's outbursts are from armchair sloths who simply don't understand genius even when it is in plain sight, right in front of them. Anyone who has spent time with the extremely gifted knows they are volatile by nature. They see and perceive things simpleton spectators and officials cannot, so it is hardly baffling when they become flustered at our mundane ignorance. To compare a legend like McEnroe to a colicky one-slam hack like Murray is akin to comparing Michelangelo to Student Pro Painters.

St. Mac was a tennis artist whose deft touch and sublime hands were unequaled. His play harkens back to the halcyon days of tennis when pushing was tantamount to capitulation and dedication to fitness the modus operandi of the untalented who had no other recourse.

Criticisms of Mac's outbursts are from armchair sloths who simply don't understand genius even when it is in plain sight, right in front of them. Anyone who has spent time with the extremely gifted knows they are volatile by nature. They see and perceive things simpleton spectators and officials cannot, so it is hardly baffling when they become flustered at our mundane ignorance. To compare a legend like McEnroe to a colicky one-slam hack like Murray is akin to comparing Michelangelo to Student Pro Painters.

Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz.

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Lol...Murray represents ME does he? Why thank you for that flattering comparison. I'm deeply grateful. But I have to confess that I've never won a tennis title in my life so your comparison, deeply flattering as it is, could not possibly be justified alas.

Now when are you going to grow up, stop being silly, and try and get over the fact that Murray threatened not to support the England football team back when you were probably still in nappies. Because we both know what all this is really about don't we and it sure as heck has got diddly-squat to do with the game of tennis!

even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

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Yeah sure the poor ballboys and girls are all trembling at the very mention of Murray's name. Are you planning a career as a fantasy writer? You certainly have a vivid imagination.

Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz. Murray might give a emotive speech but he still has a icy heart underneath. I have never seen anyone so aggressive, angery or ignorant on a tennis court, even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

totally agree. But it seems like a trend that the most competitive players blame every element except that which is in their control, thereby shifting blame off themselves in situations that otherwise may be seen as failure...
Hope Murray cuts the bs because while the dbaggery helps win matches it doesn't help much in the way of personal growth.

Not noticed Federer, although he often takes his frustrations out on the crowd (Shut Up! Be quiet! etc,) but Nadal does it in Spanish of course while Djokovic often screams things in Serbian that would make Murray sound like a choirboy!

Not noticed Federer, although he often takes his frustrations out on the crowd (Shut Up! Be quiet! etc,) but Nadal does it in Spanish of course while Djokovic often screams things in Serbian that would make Murray sound like a choirboy!

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You're a ****ing disgrace.

You pick TWO instances of Federer's THRITEEN year career to assert that he is similar to Murray. You deserve to be tortured for this. Murray should pray at Federer's altar, THAT'S how much superior Federer is to Murray in on court behaviour.

Not to mention that your examples are SO off it just shows how far you are in it. Federer calling a moron in the crowd because he yelled out during a crucial tiebreak which saw him go down 2 sets to one. If Murray did that NOBODY would criticize him for it.

Did you actually WATCH that scene? Federer ASKED them to "Be quiet, OK?" in his calmest and quietest voice ever. If Federer's haters weren't equally retarded as his fans, there is no way anyone would give him a hard time for it. NOBODY with 2 brain cells to rub together would give Murray a hard time either.

Good God is about right. I'm not defending his use of swear words but do me a favour, he's hardly alone is he? Connors, McEnroe, Hewitt, Roddick, Haas, Fish, Agassi all immediately spring to mind and I've already referred to Rafa and Nole's ability to use their native languages so as to make it not so obvious.

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There's not a snowball chance in hell that Djokovic and Nadal whine even 40% as much a Murray does. Murray is the kind of guy who will beat his head with a racquet in a straight sets win over Djokovic when his game his firing and errorfree.

It is particularly hilarious that you bring up Fish, Roddick, McEnroe lol and Hewitt, guys about whom EVERBODY knows that they have hot tempers and that they ***** even more than Murray.

This is how deluded you are: you are seriously claiming that nobody believes that those guys were just as bratty, if not more bratty than Murray.

Murray may cuss a bit but he doesn't spend time abusing line umpires (like Nalbandian at Queens) or smashing up benches (like Djokovic at FO final) . So why all of a sudden is he the worst thing ever to appear on a tennis court when there has been and continues to be much worse behaviour from other players that nobody sees fit to start outraged threads about!

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Djokovic did it once. Nalbandian did it once, which anyone with a brain would see was accidental, even if reckless.

It's like saying Henin is the same as Sharapova because it's possible to find evidence that she grunted on court. That means she is the same as a person who grunts at 100 decibel everytime she hits the ball.

Planet Mainad, where McEnroe is considered a choirboy by the tennis world at large.

Planet Mainad, where telling a moron in the crowd to STFU for robbing him of a set is the same as CONSTANTLY b*tching.

Planet Batz where Murray having ONE slam at the age of 25 is worth bragging about even though Djokovic at the same age has 5, Nadal at 1 year older has 11 and Federer being the all time record holder of just about everything.

Planet Mainad, where McEnroe is considered a choirboy by the tennis world at large.

Planet Mainad, where telling a moron in the crowd to STFU for robbing him of a set is the same as CONSTANTLY b*tching.

Planet Batz where Murray having ONE slam at the age of 25 is worth bragging about even though Djokovic at the same age has 5, Nadal at 1 year older has 11 and Federer being the all time record holder of just about everything.

Planet Mainad, where McEnroe is considered a choirboy by the tennis world at large.

Planet Mainad, where telling a moron in the crowd to STFU for robbing him of a set is the same as CONSTANTLY b*tching.

Planet Batz where Murray having ONE slam at the age of 25 is worth bragging about even though Djokovic at the same age has 5, Nadal at 1 year older has 11 and Federer being the all time record holder of just about everything.

Planet Batz where Murray having ONE slam at the age of 25 is worth bragging about even though Djokovic at the same age has 5, Nadal at 1 year older has 11 and Federer being the all time record holder of just about everything.

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Lol...a few weeks ago it was NO Slam wonder Murray. Now it's ONE Slam wonder Murray! You Murray-hating trolls are so funny and predictable. If he wins another, no doubt it will be TWO Slams wonder Murray! Put simply, Murray can never achieve anything in your jaundiced eyes. A few weeks ago, it was sufficient to mock him for being unable to win a Slam. You and your cronies were content to get as much mileage out of that one as you could. Now that he has actually won one, you look around for something else to beat him with and lo and behold, it's, "What a shocking, awful, terrible person this guy is! Why he mutters to himself, breaks the odd racquet, swears a bit, exhibits negative body language etc. etc." as if nobody ever noticed he's done these things before or that nobody else has ever done these things before and much worse but, oh I forgot, Murray does it ALL THE TIME according to you, even when he had 3 match points serving for the title in New York last month!

Boy, don't we all know it. It's the single most irritating thing that's ever happened to you recently isn't it? All the fun you used to enjoy at his expense when he was a 'No Slam Wonder'. So now it's 'Let get horrible Murray' time and affect total shock and disgust at his truly appalling antics on court which apparently make everybody else on the tour look like perfect angels and models of total decorum and restraint.

Anyway, you carry on with your funny little rants and peculiar little obsessions with whatever Murray does and doesn't do in peculiar little threads like this. It obviously brightens up your rather sad and clearly limited life. No doubt you will be itching to start another if Murray loses tomorrow or whenever. But don't let me or anybody else spoil your fun! :wink:

Seriously, is that all it takes? Guy wins once slam, suddenly even MURRAY has glory hunters? :lol:

For the record, I always wanted the guy to win a slam and laughed about the people claiming Del Potro is superior to him.

Apparently, TTW is quickly degenerating into MTF levels, where ANY criticism towards a player means, you are "jealous" of his success. (even though his success is meager compared to his contemporaries)