Prior to 9/11, everyone including flight crews and even passengers were told to cooperate with hijackers, because prior to 9/11, no hijackers had planned to commit suicide by ramming the aircraft into buildings. Generally, the hijackers would ask to be flown to some country, or they would make some political demands, and it could be handled in a way where the majority, if not all, of the passengers and crew could be saved.

That paradigm has changed, however.

In fact, some of the alleged security measures might actually make things *WORSE*, not better. Strengthened cockpit doors, for example: If hijackers do manage to make it past that door through some subterfuge, it will be pretty much impossible for the passengers to do anything about it.

The point is you spindogs are always looking to make false analogies and abuse stats to pretend obesity is the same thing as gun violence. Or cars are just like hammers. Just. Stop. Lying.

No, no, I get it. You hate guns. I have you favorited as such. And I don't deny guns are used in suicides. I just don't care. The means (gun) is irrelevant to me. I just don't care about folks who didn't care enough about themselves to heed their sense of self preservation. Therefor, I don't want my right to have a gun to be compromised to protect those who can't deal with the ups ad downs of their life and choose to use a gun to end it.

Super Chronic:And yet, you think it's fine and dandy to facilitate their suicide, and go off on rants about how much you love to see suicidal people following through. On behalf of the better 99% of humanity, here's a big and hearty fark you.

A knife can facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to cut my steak over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves. Pain-killers can facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to cure a hangover headache over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves. Tall buildings facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to grow metropolitan areas and infrastructure vertically over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves. Yep, guns facilitate suicide too, but I'd prefer my ability to "plink" at the range or defend my home and family over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves. As someone said before: you can't cover the whole world in bubble wrap so that no one gets hurt.

I don't revel in suicide. Like I said, let's get them all the help we cane fore it comes to that. But I do believe that it is best that those without the internal fortitude and will to live don't pass on their weak genes by reproducing. It's a self-selecting group. It's the Darwinian way. Your feelings and compassion for circumstances surrounding the recently deceased are irrelevant. Darwin doesn't care, and neither do I.

So you speak for 99% of the human population, huh? I guess I should really re-examine my opinions to more closely conform with your world-view. I'll do my best in the future.

lordjupiter:Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings. Wanna do nothing about that?

You have stated an apt comparison. The government response to a terrorist act was an unreasonable restriction upon liberty that in no way enhanced safety. Therefore, the government response to firearm-related violence should also be an unreasonable restriction upon liberty that in no way enhances safety, such as an "assault weapons ban", rather than any effective measures to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future.

DarwinianReject:I have compassion for people who are going through a tough time. I want people to get all the help need for their depression. I know people don't "snap out of it". I don't expect them to. The goal would be to prevent a suicide. There's always a better way out.

And yet, you think it's fine and dandy to facilitate their suicide, and go off on rants about how much you love to see suicidal people following through. On behalf of the better 99% of humanity, here's a big and hearty fark you.

DarwinianReject:Why should I give two shiats about people offing themselves? IMO suicide is a cowardly and superbly selfish act and the human race becomes just a little bit stronger every time some fragile snowflake kicks the bucket.

seriously, go stick your head in a pile of shiat. It's nice you have a life where you don't know depression. I know that because no one that has had to live through a serious depressive spell would ever say this. People don't simply "snap out of" serious depression. Get a grip.

give me doughnuts:meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry. Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day. Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.86 of them die53 kill themselves30 are murdered2 die accidentally1 is shot in a police intervention

Never understood why this number is included in anti-gun propaganda other than to inflate the numbers. Why should I give two shiats about people offing themselves? IMO suicide is a cowardly and superbly selfish act and the human race becomes just a little bit stronger every time some fragile snowflake kicks the bucket. I guess the same goes for "die accidentally." I'm more worried about the "30" and the "1" up there.

We had an incident a few months back on my campus (I work at a college) where we went into lockdown and had the local police crawling all over campus looking for a person armed with a rifle or sword...

wut

"Hey, police? I'm on campus, and I just saw a guy carrying something that I'm pretty sure was either a rifle or a sword."