Are alltimetv guys legit? I had a crappy experience with Abe's the whole buy our overpriced accessories bit and these guys also seem to be a fly-by-night operation.

Check resellerratings.com. It looks like they have a decent score, but there are a few complaints from people regarding pushy salesman. Personally, that's why I shop on-line so I don't have to deal with sales people unless I have questions.

That's exactly what I ended up doing with a local BB, these guys are in Western Long Island so I fit under a local retailer for the price matching policy I presume. I didn't have to push at all. You should check out their storefront on google maps. Hard to beat that price, with 24 mo. 0 interest and free delivery.

What are the chances of picking up a 60'' VT60 from an actual authorized retailer for $2000 within a couple/few months?

How about by year end? What will they be going for then?

I am ready to pull the trigger on a 60" ST60 for $1499 but if the PQ improvements on the VT are substantial and I can get one for $500 more, I would be willing to wait.

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This input lag issue on the ST60 has me wondering the exact same...I'd have to save up more for a 60VT60 AND bank on it falling to the 2000 figure you mentioned. I'd love to know this info too. I might even settle for a 55VT60, but the price really doesn't seem to be very far off the 60 inch (same with the ST60's)

What are the chances of picking up a 60'' VT60 from an actual authorized retailer for $2000 within a couple/few months?

How about by year end? What will they be going for then?.

For the past couple of years I have seen the 65VT30 drop to $2,500 around Feb/March of 2012 and this year I seen the 65VT50 go for the same $2,500 around Feb/March from authorized dealers and local merchants.

So if following the current trend, hold on to your money until Feb/March of 2014 and you can probably snag a VT60 or possibly a ZT60 for a great price.

What are the chances of picking up a 60'' VT60 from an actual authorized retailer for $2000 within a couple/few months?

How about by year end? What will they be going for then?.

For the past couple of years I have seen the 65VT30 drop to $2,500 around Feb/March of 2012 and this year I seen the 65VT50 go for the same $2,500 around Feb/March from authorized dealers and local merchants.

So if following the current trend, hold on to your money until Feb/March of 2014 and you can probably snag a VT60 or possibly a ZT60 for a great price.

I don't think that's really true any more. Look at the 2012 prices. For example, the 60GT50 low price of about $1800 was realized shortly after it's release and hasn't dropped very much lower since and since the beginning of the year the price has only been increasing. I believe that's true for the top three this year. Times, they have changed. Manufacturers are putting tvs out at the lowest possible price already. I think the ST60 is relatively cheap right from the start and the ZT60, although expensive by some people's standards, it would have been priced for much more not so long ago.

Yeah its hard to say. I do think they are working on tighter margins than normal but I also think there is a little more wiggle room for the VT than the ST this year.

I think it is reasonable to think the 60" VT60 may come down to around $2000 but do I want to wait and take the chance?

I was so ready to nab 60"ST60 for $1500 but there is a lot of talk about how the 3D performance has taken a step back this year. I don't watch a lot of 3D but I do enjoy it and don't want to take a step back in that area from my GT50 that I am replacing...

Yeah its hard to say. I do think they are working on tighter margins than normal but I also think there is a little more wiggle room for the VT than the ST this year.

I think it is reasonable to think the 60" VT60 may come down to around $2000 but do I want to wait and take the chance?

I was so ready to nab 60"ST60 for $1500 but there is a lot of talk about how the 3D performance has taken a step back this year. I don't watch a lot of 3D but I do enjoy it and don't want to take a step back in that area from my GT50 that I am replacing...

Hmmm...decisions

Do you recall what the best price was for the 60VT50 was? I think that might be the best indication as to whether your expectations are reasonable. I think that only the 55VT50 dropped below $2000. If you do find a price very close to $2k please let me know. I'm watching it on Amazon now.

Edit: Ha! There wasn't a 60" last year. No wonder the next bigger size seemed like such a huge leap in my memory. I just bet the 60VT60 might get close to $2k.

Best I ever saw the 55VT50 was 1500 (Best Buy offered me that just a week ago). The 65VT50 was 2500 at it's lowest (Paul's TV). If there was a 60VT50, I'd think it would have hit 2000 yes, but only in a few places.

You guys think a 55VT60 will be around for 1800? I'd hate to move down in screen size, but...an awesome TV still and I just don't have much more money at this point.

Last November and December, there were 65" VT50s for around $2500. It was a retailer on Amazon - name slips me. As mentioned, come Jan and Feb that price existed.

I do not remember what the 60" VT50 was going for, but something around $2,000 by end of year seems very reasonable for a 65" VT60.

The ZT60 will be probably a different animal as the supplies will be less and in high demand for much of the year in all likelihood especially since some online retailers wont be getting them until August....more limited quantities, etc.

I was able to talk a Best Buy Magnolia manager into selling me the 65" VT60 for $3100. I have to admit I think going in on a tuesday in the middle of the day helped a lot. I don't think they move a lot of high end TVs during the week and he seemed very interested in moving product. I was hoping to get a price match to $3200 (Cleveland Plasma is at $3100 plus $100 for shipping). Right off the bat I was able to get that price. I pondered doing it for that price and he just said if you do it today I will let it go for $3100. They don't even have the 65" in their store yet, so it is being shipped to store and I will pick it up Saturday. I live in PA (6% sales tax) and this store is just over the line in Delaware (no sales tax). If they ship to PA the tax is tacked on so I will just drive the 15 minutes to pick it up and save the $186 in taxes.

If you go into the store you can most likely get the price cut by $400-$500. I am very happy paying that price and no interest for 2 years is always a bonus. Find a manager and you should be able to negotiate a good price. The problem is right now they can't even tell how much Best Buy pays for the units. It isn't in their system yet, but they can order them. Good luck to all who try to get a good deal.

I was able to talk a Best Buy Magnolia manager into selling me the 65" VT60 for $3100. I have to admit I think going in on a tuesday in the middle of the day helped a lot. I don't think they move a lot of high end TVs during the week and he seemed very interested in moving product. I was hoping to get a price match to $3200 (Cleveland Plasma is at $3100 plus $100 for shipping). Right off the bat I was able to get that price. I pondered doing it for that price and he just said if you do it today I will let it go for $3100. They don't even have the 65" in their store yet, so it is being shipped to store and I will pick it up Saturday. I live in PA (6% sales tax) and this store is just over the line in Delaware (no sales tax). If they ship to PA the tax is tacked on so I will just drive the 15 minutes to pick it up and save the $186 in taxes.

If you go into the store you can most likely get the price cut by $400-$500. I am very happy paying that price and no interest for 2 years is always a bonus. Find a manager and you should be able to negotiate a good price. The problem is right now they can't even tell how much Best Buy pays for the units. It isn't in their system yet, but they can order them. Good luck to all who try to get a good deal.

That's a great deal! Thanks for sharing your story. Will hopefully try my luck there as well soon.

The 55 is way overpriced atm. My local Video Only, who will do 2499 on the 60VT60 right off the bat, would not budge off 2250 for the 55.

They're probably not authorized to do so. Manufacturers have had a tight reign on bottom prices for at least the past two years. Once Panasonic get's a lot more into inventory the price will drop. The scary/sad (?) thing is that manufacturers are trying very hard to just meet demand and not to exceed it.

Im in NY and thinking of using one of these retailers All time tv's , east coast tvs or abes of maine but a little skeptical on why they have good deals. I sometimes wonder if they are refubished tvs. Im looking to pick up a VT60 after not being satified with my 65" S60 (its being return this weekennd). Does the 60" VT60 have better pq over the S60? The tv will go in the basment mancave so refections arent an issue.
thanks

Federal law prohibits manufacturers from not providing the same warranty coverage to all new items, regardless of which vendors the customers bought the products from. They have to cover them, because they are not allowed to punish the consumers for something they have no control over. Panasonic can sue the unauthorized vendors and stop selling to the distributors who have provided the products to those vendors, but they cannot punish the retail consumers by refusing to honor the warranty coverage.

Federal law prohibits manufacturers from not providing the same warranty coverage to all new items, regardless of which vendors the customers bought the products from. They have to cover them, because they are not allowed to punish the consumers for something they have no control over. Panasonic can sue the unauthorized vendors and stop selling to the distributors who have provided the products to those vendors, but they cannot punish the retail consumers by refusing to honor the warranty coverage.

Not too sure about that. I've heard of a number of cases where manufacturers denied customers service because the display was purchased from an unauthorized dealer.

Not too sure about that. I've heard of a number of cases where manufacturers denied customers service because the display was purchased from an unauthorized dealer.

That just means that they were breaking the law. Some Corporations do break laws from time to time. Consumers need to know their rights and report violations when they occur, instead of surrendering to scare messages on the internet.

In order for a manufacturer to be able to refuse to honor warranty coverage on a product purchased in good faith, they are required to spell out the restrictions in their warranty documents so that consumers are notified in time to return the items.

For example; Panasonic makes no mention of such a specific restriction that they intend to enforce.

They do not include there mom and pop dealers, never have and probably never will "unless" they have been around forever. There are so many of us that are small and not grandfathered in it would be hard to keep track. There are hundreds of small custom installers who buy thru distribution that are not on the list as well, and yes hundreds. Not Just for Panasonic but just about every other brand as well.

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Federal law prohibits manufacturers from not providing the same warranty coverage to all new items, regardless of which vendors the customers bought the products from. They have to cover them, because they are not allowed to punish the consumers for something they have no control over.

Federal law prohibits manufacturers from not providing the same warranty coverage to all new items, regardless of which vendors the customers bought the products from. They have to cover them, because they are not allowed to punish the consumers for something they have no control over. Panasonic can sue the unauthorized vendors and stop selling to the distributors who have provided the products to those vendors, but they cannot punish the retail consumers by refusing to honor the warranty coverage.

Depends on if the item is intended for export, then no USA warranty period. Or if refurbished, no warranty. And other unauthorized conditions could effect the USA warranty.

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Cleveland Plasma isn't listed either??

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After doing some research it turns out these stores are not authorized retailers.So panisonic will most likely not warrant the warrenty. So its buy at you own risk.

Not too sure about that. I've heard of a number of cases where manufacturers denied customers service because the display was purchased from an unauthorized dealer.

I believe the manufacturer can try to not cover products purchased from unauthorized dealers, but typically the will likely have to service within the warranty term. However, at best they can restrict the level of service to repair only and not go beyond the warranty term with any courtesy if you are close to the expiration.

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They do not include there mom and pop dealers, never have and probably never will. There are so many of us it would be hard to keep track........
That is correct you can read more here at www.ftc.gov ........
There was a little one

I see many mom and pop shops listed as Panasonic authorized, such as, Big Screen Store, Aarons, In Motion, Listen Up, The Little Guys and Value Electronics.