And I merely ask the question as to what sort of strength they need to show. If it is military force you are thinking of, where will that come from? If it is some other sort of strength what do you have in mind, and how will the UN - an organisation made up of member states - deliver it?

Who would flee to Darfur? Why would Sudanese forces drive anyone to an area whose status is already contested?

Even if anyone had, why would they stay there rather than return to the independent state of South Sudan?

Not saying it has happened in Sudan, or anywhere really, but it has been alleged (largely by Greek Cypriots, I think) that Turkey shipped a load of its people to Cyprus in order to shift the demographics so that any future settlement would be skewed in their favour. It was also alleged that these 'forced migrants' were largely unwanted in Turkey anyway. So that could be a possible reason to drive some people to a disputed area. It would mean that, if a settlement is ever reached, there would be a large Sudanese population there and Darfur would be ceded to Sudan rather than, say, South Sudan or Chad.

Yes, I know that but the obvious point is that black South Sudanese Christians would make Darfur less pro-Sudan not more. It makes sense to ship your people into contested areas but makes none to force the people you are fighting there.

The number of Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants that arrive next year will focus the debate.

It's quite interesting (cynical?) of Cameron to start a charm offensive today in order to recruit more ethnic support for his party. This could drive more supporters away than are attracted.

In Bradford, there's already tension between young muslim men and young East European men ... both sets live in the poorer areas inside the ring road and both hang round on street corners. I've never seen anything kick off, but the odd taxi driver has made snide comments about the Eastern European groups.

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?

To be honest I've always wondered about that. Some mid-western American desert would have done perfectly well.

"There are now more Trident submarines based in Scotland than there are MPs to vote for them."

TBH we could bomb the f###k out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Mali, Nigeria etc (not suggesting we should or would!!) killing millions of innocents along with some militants and we still would not succeed in eradicating militant Islamism. - Its no threat to someone prepared for or seeking martyrdom.

So what do we do? build a high wall round the UK? Learn to live with a few incidents like the recent Algerian hostage situation? Move Israel to somewhere else?

We should not tolerate Islamic extremism within the UK and groups that promote segregation should get no public funding. Islamic extremism will run its course if it is stood up to.