Since Kevin Moore has twice mentioned a supposed “cognitive dissonance” with myself concerning Mike Ruppert over at NBL, I feel I must clarify things and correct him.

If you actually read the post I wrote about Mike Ruppert, then you would know that I was hardly “celebrating” Mike Ruppert’s life and work. Let me quote a line:

“In their search for the truth, perhaps some travel too far down the rabbit hole of civilizational and environmental collapse to ever escape its malignant shadow; it consumes them like a cancer.”

Ruppert was eaten up by his own obsession of finding meaning and truth in a chaotic world. My own thoughts on 9/11 go no further than it being blowback from American foreign policy and bureaucratic incompetence. I have no desire to waste time on wild and improbable conspiracy theories which have already been easily disproved numerous times. Do governments conspire to do underhanded things? Of course they do, but not all events are a government plot nor the handiwork of TPTB. It’s human nature to try to make sense of traumatic events and look for connections and patterns, very often where none exist, in order to manage collective anxiety in the face of uncertainty:

…Hyper-intellectualism is a driver of extreme political movements, too, whose leaders keep their followers riled up by serving them a steady diet of paranoia-inducing conspiracy theories. By “conspiracy theories” I don’t mean the belief that terrible conspiracies exist (they obviously do), but the fiction that attributes all the world’s ills to the secret machinations of an identifiable foe: the Jews, the Templars, the Jesuits, the “bankers,” the blacks, patriarchy, whomever. Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer, wrote a 1,500-page manifesto that purported to expose the “alien system of beliefs, attitudes and values….that we have come to know as ‘Political Correctness.’” Its proponents, he said, included Islamists, Feminists, Frankfurt School Marxists, and multiculturalists of every stripe, all working together to bring about the collapse of the West…

…A study by scientists at Harvard University and the University of Helsinki, published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, put his theory to the test and concluded that “behaviours which are, or appear, superstitious are an inevitable feature of adaptive behaviour in all organisms, including ourselves.”

All of us, in other words, are primed to believe evidence that supports our prejudices and predispositions, even when they’re wrong and the evidence for them is dubious or contrived…

The propensity of people to simultaneously believe multiple convoluted and oftentimes contradictory conspiracy theories despite repeated falsification has been empirically explained by University of Kent psychologists Michael J. Wood, Karen M. Douglas and Robbie M. Sutton in a paper entitled “Dead and Alive: Beliefs in Contradictory Conspiracy Theories,” published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science.

Perhaps the most notorious conspiracy theorists are David Icke and Alex Jones, both of whom have built lucrative businesses peddling their views of the world:

Unfounded conspiracy theories have led to wars and mass death in the past and it’s my belief that we have to use reason over prejudice and suspicion in order to avoid such tragic outcomes. For example:

Giving credence to alternative realities, whether it be by techno-utopians who think our technology will save us or business-as-usual proponents who claim that global warming is more beneficial than harmful, is not the aim of this website and I’ve only dabbled in such visions as an allegorical device in some posts. The realities of industrial civilization’s environmental meltdown are frightening enough without diverting our attention and degrading our credibility with outlandish and comical conspiracy theories of a faked lunar landing and controlled demolition of the WTC skyscrapers. Consider that our CO2 emissions will be in the atmosphere for thousands of years. That’s what makes AGW so catastrophic — their effect is essentially forever on a human and civilizational time scale. And climate change’s evil twin of ocean acidification will last for tens of thousands of years. When the cold hard facts are killing us systematically, why deal in fantasy?

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I'm a social critic, political/cultural commentator and artist. The modern industrial world is on the cusp of great changes to our current unsustainable way of life. Most people are oblivious to the paradigm shift that will occur, but some are starting to awaken to the fact that the future will not resemble the halcyon days of the last half century in America as evidenced by the OWS movement. My objective is to highlight important news stories and find the truth that is hidden behind what Joe Bageant called the American Hologram.
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9/11 was definitely the Project of a group of conspirators who conspired to bring down them buildings to achieve or propagate some sort of an agenda . They could be some fraction in the government but of course not all the government . Definitely not those pure Arab devils who have been framed with the incident . And those who swallowed the official story are morons .

There is a group called ” American civil engineers and or architects ” *something like that are getting organized and calling it impossible and demonstrating it as such . I am trusting them more than them guys who investigated it officially these engineers sound pretty plausible . And what about that actor In that show “Two man and baby”( I can`t recall his name) he don`t believes in the official story and he is a famous actor . He don`t believes in the official story .

only a minority of architects would entertain the idea that the structural damage and loss of rigidity from the subsequent fires wouldn’t bring down the trade center buildings. it sounds like cherry picking experts to me, rather like what climate change denialists do all the time. you can always find crackpots who believe stuff thats contrary to the general scientific consensus. speaking as someone with an architectural background, there is nothing remotely suspicious about what happened to those buildings.

the conspiracy theory lacks basic logic from an overall perspective as well. why would the government or whoever is supposed to be behind the plot destroy both towers and damage the pentagon too, when just one of the incidents would be entirely adequate to provoke the outrage and political will necessary to allow them to do what they wanted.

just a conventional terrorist attack on a more minor office building with maybe a few hundred people killed would have done the trick just as well. the shear audacity and bizarreness of the event just rings true to me. its exceedingly unlikely that anyone ‘on the inside’ would have thought up something so massively batshit crazy and improbable, let alone be given the go ahead by anyone to do it. and also why would they want to make middle eastern terrorists look so organizationally brilliant, and the USA look so pathetic and inept (unless that was their intention – which is unlikely), when they could have done something that didnt do either, that got the same result.

Missing $3.4 trillion ($2.3 trillion/1999, $1.1 trillion/2000) in missing Pentagon allocations was under investigation by the Department of Naval Intelligence accounting division–exactly where the Pentagon was bombed/attacked. Backup accounting computers for DNI were in Building 7. Both needed to be destroyed to cover-up the mission 3,400 billion dollars that went missing under Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim’s watch. Interesting that Dov Zakheim is also a rabbi and dual citizen of Israel. He was also CEO of Systems Planning Corporation, a subdivision of which held contracts for installing remote flight control systems in Boeing aircraft. Follow the money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsDtvu2uTuA

Have already focused on not 911, but certain denizens and mindsets exhibited on this here website as being straight Calvinist theology: 1) Humanity is unutterably corrupt and irredeemable 2) A select group of priests carry “the truth” 3) Salvation comes through acceptance that Nothing can be changed and Nothing is to be done. Pretty bleak de-mobilizing nihilism. And further spice it with: Science works for climate, but not for physics.

I remember 3 years ago, one of my ESL students was one of the lead engineers on the Burj Dubai building in UAE. It so happened that class fell on the morning of Sept 11, and no other students showed up. So I presented AE911 and Gage’s theory, then asked what the hell happened in NY, since if anyone would know anything it would be this straight ahead, conservative kind of guy. He said that when tall buildings fall, they tilt and fall sideways. I asked what he thought happened in NY and he said he didn’t really want to speculate and we’d better stop talking about it now.

I was in China 2003-2005 and I could never locate the company where the remains of the WTC buildings were ostensibly shipped.

The metal was toxic, contaminated with asbestos, PCBs, cadmium, mercury, dioxins, etc., and was shipped to numerous places in Asia to be processed and salvaged like all the e-waste and other garbage we send overseas. I’m not surprised you were unable to track any of it down.

if they are damaged at the base this is probably true. but in this case the fire damage was at the top and each floor then failed consecutively, leading to a vertical collapse. you dont have to deny physics to accept the conventional explanation of events.

If you’re putting this up for a vote, I say no. Participants are talking past each other, and we interpret both physical and conjectural evidence divergently. It’s akin to arguing with each other which is the one true god. Those who desire to have already stated their beliefs and no productive result will come out of beating this dead horse any more dead.

Litmus test,or touchstone? It serves as a grand black hole into which much energy may be focused,without changing a damned thing. After all, who has done anything to bring done this supposedly wicked & devious state of affairs, except perhaps alQaeda? Or, what has that to do with the Collapse of Civilization?

yes its a complete mystery. maybe its got something to do with two massive collapsing skyscraper / exploding jet liner incidents next door.

no, hang on. there is a better explanation. both towers of the world trade center collapsing was not dramatic enough for ‘the shadowy elite’. so they decided to add another totally unnecessary failure point into their cunning plan. because, obviously, there would be 10 times more public outrage if one more, much smaller building fell down as well. hmmm

“yes its a complete mystery. maybe its got something to do with two massive collapsing skyscraper / exploding jet liner incidents next door.”

So you’re saying that a massive skyscraper had a sort of… “sympathy collapse”. It decided to collapse, in a perfect symmetric manner no less, because other buildings near it had collapsed??? That is very puzzling.

Building 7 was pretty unambiguously a controlled demolition. A building cannot collapse in a completely symmetrical manner at near free-fall speed in any other way. This means it was pre-rigged with explosives. This also means that they would have had to go through with the demolition whether or not it was hit with a plane because otherwise, leaving the building standing would leave evidence of what they had been up to.

So the whole thing has a very simple, straightforward explanation, as far as I can see. No need for bizarre “sympathy collapse” explanations.

The only truly ridiculous conspiracy theory, completely and absolutely disproven in hundreds of ways, is the 9/11 fantasy we were told by our government, the government that covered up almost every bit of evidence they could. It is preposterous that intelligent people believe it, but if you really want to and you avoid the mountains of evidence against it, I guess it is far more comforting, as Moore said, to believe crazy conspiracy theories. Simply put, Americans, but Not most of the world, have really shown them selves to be the most gullible people……is the Easter bunny the next fantasy to be believed?

Paul,
You’ll have to do better than just shake your fist at the government as say they are up to no good. For starters, you have to say what you think really happened, then lay out some sort of reasoned plot.

What you are doing here is attempting to get Paul to come up with a conspiracy theory. Proving the gov’s conspiracy theory is a lie is all that’s necessary. Those of us who are exposing the lies are not conspiracy theorists. We are anti-conspiracy theorists. The only proof needed, in my opinion, is the videos showing beyond any doubt that those buildings were blown up with explosives.

There is only a photo of a fusillade laying on the ground. And the real official tale is that 93 impacted into the ground at speed, accordioned and buried itself sub-terra. Now, why the hell wasn’t it dug up? And if it was dug up under dark of night, why weren’t any bodies or remains returned to families for burial? In fact, where are any of the bodies of any of the passengers? It’s like they evaporated. And stiffing families over remains of loved ones, however compromised or reduced is just cold blooded – even in the name of national security. And where are all these airplane parts? Hidden away in some Raiders of The Lost Ark government holding pen?

So covering up Saudi state support to the named hijackers is “bureaucratic incompetence?”

Nonsense. You really don’t get it. There are too many loose ends, and too many glaring treasonous facts to ignore. Perhaps you do suffer from cognitive dissonance, misled by others and failing to investigate what actually is known about the attacks.

Things like that went on. I never said they didn’t. What I’m saying is that there was no planned detonation of the twin towers by the U.S government. The U.S. has close ties to the UAE because of oil and that drives foreign policy and quite a bit of political underhandedness. The 9/11 terrorist attack also served as a useful excuse to invade Iraq along with the trumped up accusation of WMD, a state-sponsered conspiracy.

Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History

…The large question posed in this fluent and forensic book is why do people accept and develop such fantastic complex plots, surrounding events as diverse as the suicide of Marilyn Monroe or the attack on the Twin Towers?

State-sponsored conspiracies are rational, says Aaronovitch: they serve the state’s purpose, usually a dark one. Conspiracies by individuals are less easily catalogued. He enlists a handful of psychoanalysts to propose that such cases may be a defence against indifference – “against the far more terrible thought that no one cares about you”. They also give a focus to hate, an ever-useful emotion, unifying, comforting and stimulating. I would have wished for more consideration of these motives but Aaronovitch’s strength lies in his detailed exposition of these fantasies, and the frighteningly wide acceptance of them by people who should have known better.

Conspiracies theories can, Aaronovitch reminds us, be soundly based. Paranoia is, in some societies, a useful possession. Authorities do occasionally plot against the public good and, where there are none of the checks of democratic institutions, free press and civil society institutions, can keep the truth obscured.

Where, in democratic states, there are such checks, elaborate conspiracies of the 9/11 – or even Dr Kelly – kind are impossible to conceal: but those with an interest in propagating them will spare no effort in proclaiming the hidden “truth”. It is depressing to learn how many prominent journalists have endorsed such fantasies as serious works.

In a passage that could be the rubric of the book, Aaronovitch writes: “If all narratives are relative, we are lost … relativism doesn’t care to distinguish between the scholarly and the slapdash, the committed researcher and the careless loudmouth, the scrupulous and the demagogic.” Relativism – my truth is as good as anyone’s, no matter how I arrived at it – is a pernicious doctrine, hugely magnified by the internet. The great merit of this book is that it leaves us in no doubt that arriving at the truth is a vital matter – at times a matter of life and death. – link

mt takeaway is that the more outlandish conspiracy theories are nothing more than displacement activities. sometimes people in stressful situations focus upon anything they can control, rather like abused children who carry rocks in their pockets, a focal point of something that is theirs, that is real, that they can depend upon.
perhaps conspiracists are hanging on to whatever helps them make sense of the world.
this being said, i do believe that there are powerful people working in concert to keep the masses in a state of ignorance as to the true workings of the world. they may be bankers, some of them may be Jewish, or Scottish, or Indonesian, doesn’t matter. these people may not be actively conspiring, they may just be people of like mind, but the results are the same.
for instance, we know that corps. who produce jet engines, locomotives, drones, bombs, etc. hold major interests in several of the major media outlets; do the people who work at these “news” orgs. spike stories which cast negative light on their owners activities? probably, but then we would never know would we?

all of this is to say is that there may be some order to the chaos which Alan Moore describes. the status quo is actively maintained, consciously or unconsciously.

As far as oceanic acidification goes, how far-reaching could the effects be on marine life not reliant on calcium shells? I know that organisms like jellyfish will probably prosper in the anoxic seas of a hothouse Earth, but is there any possibility of fish species surviving? If not, perhaps freshwater fishes could slowly adapt to saltier environs over the course of millions of years.

“…Scientists point to two reasons to expect a worldwide drop in ocean oxygen. One is the simple fact that as water gets warmer, it can hold less dissolved oxygen. The other reason is subtler. The entire ocean gets its oxygen from the surface — either from the atmosphere, or from photosynthesizing algae floating at the top of the sea. The oxygen then spreads to the deep ocean as the surface waters slowly sink.

Global warming is expected to reduce the mixing of the ocean by making surface seawater lighter. That’s because in a warmer world we can expect more rainfall and more melting of glaciers, icebergs, and ice sheets. Since freshwater is less dense than salt water, the water at the ocean’s surface will become lighter. The extra heat from the warming atmosphere will also make surface waters expand — and thus make them lighter still. The light surface water will be less likely to sink — and thus the deep ocean will get less oxygen. Instead, more of the oxygen will linger near the surface, where it will be used up by oxygen-breathing organisms….

…Pauly and his colleagues are working on computer models to project how global warming will affect the world’s fisheries. Many species of fishes will shift their ranges away from water that’s too warm for them. But this flight from heat may force them into regions of the ocean with low levels of oxygen, where their growth will be limited. Pauly and his colleagues predict that the drop in the ocean’s oxygen and pH levels will together reduce the world’s fish catch by 20 to 30 percent by 2050.”http://e360.yale.edu/feature/a_looming_oxygen_crisis_and_its_impact_on_worlds_oceans/2301/

seemingly incredible conspiracies are problematic for at least a couple of reasons. the first is that some are indeed factual and mind blowing, paradigm shattering. the second one is the more troubling of the 2 imo, being that even the factual ones tend to attract lots of loons who cloud perceptions. i wouldn’t at all be surprised if some of these loons aren’t in fact undercover agents on a mission to try to discredit all independent investigations by mixing in many false claims and theories, among the legit. then of course there are no doubt a good many legitimate loonies adding their voices and writings to the cacaphony of wild and false as well as very hard to believe (but sometimes true) claims. there are so many, far too many for anyone to put the necessary time and effort into separating the chaff from the wheat, so to speak, of all of them. one must pick and choose, if one has the time and inclination, which conspiracy claims merit serious, time consuming investigation, and which don’t.

personally, i’m convinced jfk was the victim of an incredibly vast plotted coup d’etat, and that the 9/11 attacks were masterminded by dick cheney, not osama bin laden. i think the world trade centers were planned demos as well, although perhaps they aren’t traceable to dastardly dick. as for a lot of the other stuff, i don’t know. the moon landing one has always struck me as unworthy of looking into, but if kevin claims it’s valid, there might be something to it. however in this case i’m sympathetic to xraymike’s point that, even if it is valid, some claims are so ‘out there’ that maybe’s it’s best to not raise them at all, for doing so can stain one’s own credibility in the eyes of some, and at any rate tend to detract focus from the more important matter of facing collapse and possible extinction…

i think there’s at least one good reason to look into ‘conspiracy facts’ as mike ruppert referred to them (as opposed to conspiracy ‘theories’), regarding hugely important historical events like 9/11; that being the off-the-charts level of deceit and depraved indifference to human life/rights that is revealed re.elite government officials/politicians. it’s helpful to understand that virtually everything they say lacks credibility and that we’re truly on our own in facing the shit we’re in. in fact, we’re beyond alone, because tptb are aligned against us.

mike, what does it matter what Guy thinks? Are we supposed to be Guy-bots? That’s a very strange challenge to make.

I can completely understand you not wanting to take up this issue on your blog. I disagree with the vehemence with which you seem to attack those who have come to a different conclusion than you regarding those events, though.

@tvt see my Palin video, The Perfidy of Sarah Palin, which makes just that point. If they will lie about something so ridiculous and obvious, what *won’t* they lie about? I really could not have cared less about Ms. Palin at the time. I was fascinated with the process of NOT SEEING. Willfully not seeing.

I didn’t say capitalism and its ravages don’t exist – you are being disingenous to suggest that. Of course they exist. I am saying that blaming capitalism is a variant of a conspiracy theory (which you decry). Because industrial civilization is not the SOURCE of our fate it is the result. Human nature is source. I am curious to know when and if you ever recognize that fundamental truth.

Virgin Terry, very good point. It IS important to understand the lies of 9/11….. Not so much to get the bad guys or even understand them, but just, as you say, to finally, fully, realize that anything the elites say is likely bull crap.

not everything. sometimes ‘the elites’ do tell the truth. although i admit ‘the elites’ are usually a bunch of useless, mendacious self serving halfwits i dont think its likely they arranged for arabs to fly 4 planes into their own cherished iconic monuments to free market capitalism and western military control when a far simpler, less damaging and less likely to be exposed (genuinely) plot could have been arranged that didn’t make the usa look like incompetent morons.

Glad you are back online Mike. I was afraid that the shock of realizing that folks you thought were at least somewhat sane, were actually heavily invested in some really screwy stuff, might have driven you over the edge and caused you to just throw in the towel. I have experienced the same despairing feelings when some friend of mine has let me know of some bizarre beliefs they are eager to convince me of. The truth is that a major cause of our crisis is that most folks have just not learned how to dispassionately sort out important issues and come away with a clear understanding of what is involved. Color us thoughtless. Score one for our unhelpful educational system, which is just as dysfunctional as every other institution of culture. To hang in there patiently putting out real information in spite of wide spread misunderstanding and even hostility takes a brand of dedication to the truth that has to be constantly practiced and renewed. Congrats for doing your part.

Now, I’m with you, but enough with the charlatan Shermer. 1. This quote is not original with him. 2. And he is a poor spokeshuckster for “Skepticism,” being a professed believer of one of the most damaging faiths of all, the Unseen Hand, the wonders of capitalism being in his scheming mind on par with the wonders of natural selection. He’s a Reaganite, one who wraps himself in science while being a political hack.
Otherwise, you’re doing fine.

The way I look at the situation is that each of us has a circle of interests,which overlap at a given website. For example, I am interested in tropical plants, but I wouldn’t post a comment here about plants, I would post it at the relevant site. I am not really competent to make a comment about whether the moon landing was faked or the U.S. government was behind the twin tower attacks, as I haven’t read about the various arguments on each side. The point is that if I was, I would read books about the subject and go to websites that present both sides of the argument. It seems to me that there are plenty of issues about the collapse of industrial civilisation to be discussed without being sidetracked by these issues, and that as it is Mike’s website, it is quite reasonable for him to ask people interested in these topics to discuss them at the relevant websites. If Kevin is reading this, please note that I have made this comment in a spirit of zero animosity. I don’t have the time or inclination to make a lot of comments, and Mike values your contribution here. He has extended an invitation for you to continue to comment here, and as Tom has suggested, leave these differences behind and focus on the many other topics that concern the readers of this site.

Unfortunately the lies promulgated by the US government with respect to 9/11 are not a side issue at all, but are central to the narrative of the times.

Those lies have been used as a pretext to invade, wreck and loot at least two states, to abduct perfectly innocent people, torture them, and hold them indefinitely without charge, to impose unprecedented restrictions on the American people, to ‘trash’ the US Constitution and to commit numerous crimes against the American people and people of the world.

The lies promulgated by the US government have been used as a pretext to drag armed forces of numerous other nations into illegal wars where numerous war crimes have been committed. The government of NZ is still caught up in the lies (along with Britain, Australia, Canada, NATO countries etc.)

To say that 9/11 is a side issue that does not bear investigation is to play straight into the hands of the neofascists who are in control throughout most of the western world.

I know that the official version of 9/11 is a pack of lies because titanium alloy aircraft engines do not ‘evaporate on impact with grass’ (as the US government would have us believe) nor does steel soften at 300C, the temperature of oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires, Nor does heat pass along steel columns more than 100 metres long and cause explosion in foundations. I now a twin-engine airliner could not possibly generate a single 16-foot hole in the Pentagon building and leave next to no wreckage and no human bodies etc.

Funny how the US government fount it necessary to confiscate all surveillance footage from cameras in the district near the Pentagon ‘attack’. That alone should be enough to raised suspicion.

Aside form all that, one need only look at the collapse of Building Seven, with the classic crimping of the middle section immediately prior to the demolition to recognise that explosive charges and detonation systems had been placed in the building long before any planes flew into the Twin Towers.

All that before we even start to examine Dick Cheney’s role in ensuring that aircraft capable of preventing completion of the scam were well out of the way, performing exercises relating to the hijacking of planes, leading to the utter confusion necessary to get the gold from out of the basement before the final demolition was done. Remember the infamous “is this exercise or real world?” or Bush, carrying on reading the ‘goat story’ to children when America was supposedly under attack Yeah right! He knew beforehand exactly what to expect.

Let’s face it, the only people who believe the nonsense of the official narrative of 9/11 are the ones who have not examined the evidence and now refuse to examine the evidence.

For whatever reason, Mike has chosen to be one of those who refuses to examine the evidence. That’s why I want no connection with this site (as of the end of last week).

By the way, Arthur Schopenhauer said it long ago:

All truth passes through three stages;

First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

I have better things to do that bang my head against walls of ignorance and denial that lurk here.

To anyone who still refuses to become informed about 9/11, I say discover the truth the hard way if you must.

Mike you know 9/11 is a extremely small amount of Kevin’s extensive knowledge, and this site will be losing one of it’s most intelligent contributors.
Lampoon him as much as you like, I think most people reading this site will more awake to the lies you are happy to support
good luck .

let me add that it’s OK to question official narrative, but not the way KM is doing it. He storms off like a pissy little child when everyone refuses to bow to his worldview. He’s not needed here. I can do without his grandstanding and superstitions.

ulvfugl — that’s another freak of nature who stays online all day long.

Mike, honestly, you need to rethink it. You have not looked at the evidence carefully. It is absolutely impossible for the buildings to have collapsed due to plane crashes and fire unless controlled demolition was used, unless the physically laws of the universe were temporarily suspended. The official story is the theory that is lunacy. Really, do yourself a favor and go back and study. There are many who can guide you to people who prove what Kevin is saying, and they are independent and have no agenda except the truth.

Yes, Kevin. Just the issue of tons of nano thermite found all over the place assures us that the official story is a fantasy, and all it takes is an evening reading about it to finally realize that very smart people have been duped by incredibly impossible stories. But they won’t do it.
It is disheartening that people with the courage to look at our economic system and even our doomed future in very logical and analytical ways seem unable to look clearly at one of the most important moments in all human history.
A few open minded (not so big the brain falls out) moments would do it.
It is so amazingly easy to irrefutably disprove the official 9/11 conspiracy theory. It BEGS to be disproven.

Kevin, just reread your post. Yes it is preposterous that people supposedly look at the evidence and go away still convinced the official story is true.. Amazing what a mind, dead set on believing something, will avoid taking in and seeing objectively. Once you see the lies of 9/11 it becomes so clear….hundreds and hundreds of impossibilities along with so many Improbabilities.
I went along with the state sponsored fantasy for a couple of years, but thankfully a friend on the Internet badgered me long enough to finally make me take a closer look. I am really embarrassed now that I was ever so gullible to believe such a fairytale in the first place, but I do understand how people could avoid understanding the truth, since I did for a time.
Honestly, though, I feel that people who cannot accept 9/11 truth just cannot fully accept a lot of other important issues, and I don’t have much faith in how they assimilate and analyze information. I compare their ability to figure things out at about the level of global,warming deniers or believers in creationism.

i can just use those arguments back at you. in the light of the counter arguments, you have to ask yourself what sort of gullible loon would fall for such an obvious conspiracy theory. i’m a pretty rational guy, and for the life of me i cant see anything odd about 9/11. its no good saying im an irrational or gullible person that falls for the lies of the powerful, as i am fully aware of the propaganda they spew, but i also know where to draw the line with my skepticism. i dont think EVERYTHING they say is a lie. i have sound intuition, and use critical thinking about everything. i believe in man made climate change, evolutionary theory and don’t hold any superstitious or magical beliefs of any kind.

i have simply just not heard any plausible argument to convince me 9/11 was a plot and am pretty incredulous anyone here would jump to the conclusion there was one given the information thats available. every ‘truther’ point, although seeming reasonable at a very superficial level (like the fake moon landing ones), has been more than satisfactorily debunked by proper skeptics. they are just so obviously rubbish. for example where are the engines. under the ground, like what happened to lots of spitfires. duh. how hard is that the accept. as xraymike79 says, just use occams razer. what is the most simple explanation, and which requires the fewest additional ad hoc convoluted arguments and leaps of logic to make it work, is probably the truth. the 9/11 plot is not simple. its the most ridiculously far fetched idea you could come up with this side of alien involvement

I should just add that the scale of the deception that would be needed in both of the above instances makes me disinclined to be believe that either would be the case,but again I have not made a study of either incident.

Some are. Some are trolls. Some are idiots. Some are good people trying to make sense of the evidence, much of which is purposely kept from the public for…..what reason???
But you don’t have to go to the theories. All we really need to do is disprove the official theory. That is so easy….which of the thousands of bits of evidence and information do you want to use?

Did the NSA conspire in secret to spy on all Americans including Senators and members of Congress without their consent? When questioned, did they lie and try to conceal this fact? Yes. So, what do we have by fact? An underhanded and lying government which, at this point, should surprise no one. As Bill O’Reilly, on his FOX show likes to say, “We’re looking out for you.” In reality the Washington/New York group are looking out for themselves. The population of the United States are livestock, likely to be branded or chipped at some time in the future, mentally manipulated by a faux reality served up by various channels of surreality. In order to maintain this structure, the entire world must be taxed by the petrodollar, massive deficits created and surplus collected from the U.S. plantation. The more chaotic the plantations become, the more “control” will be necessary and this will require greater amounts of energy and resources. Prying more resources from the plantations will only make them more chaotic, thereby increasing the need for more control. Eventually chaos overcomes the efforts of control in this positive feedback loop.

The IMF will make a loan to a country, corrupt of course, and this country will then build the infrastructure necessary to strip the land of it’s wealth so the loans can be repaid. If there is some problem with repayment then a little austerity for the slaves may be in order. This is not a conspiracy, it’s just growth to serve the needs of those that create the infrastructure and manage the money. “If you’ve got resources, we’ll create as big a loan as you need to create the infrastructure to go get it.” It’s an unfortunate process all the way around but when you create leverage at 100 to 1, create a loan of 100 million based upon 1 million in collateral, your going to run into problems, especially when the most delicious and nutritious resource stocks have already been depleted and at a typical extraction rate, all that can be repaid of the loan is the interest, if that. Most of this overhanging debt will not be repaid with the delicious morsels that infrastructure reaches, but with a bankruptcy settlement where ownership of now nearly useless infrastructure and a continuing slow trickle of resources (not enough to maintain the infrastructure) is all that remains. We are quickly reaching the point with consequent environmental damage, where all of the good stuff is gone and the long-term investors are left with the resource dregs and collapsing, deteriorating infrastructure. The wealthy are still collecting their interest, money is flowing into mechanisms of control and the livestock are growing restive. There aren’t any good investment any longer. In other words, we’re getting close to calling “Game Over”.

you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head right here. faux reality indeed, The Galaxy Smart Phone to ring up Passages in Malibu for your Addiction Vacation.
all of this is possible because Westerners, at least some of us, can take food, clothing, and shelter for granted.

if one digs hard enough there is evidence of plenty of things about 911 to get upset about, only it started long before 911.
Google the Pakistani ISI, Bhutto, Mujaheddin,and Charlie Wilson’s War.
the facts are that the US, and our Western allies, supported military action against Babrak Karmal and his Soviet allies, this is where the Taliban came from, and by extension, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

American history is replete with instances of blow-back from our misguided foreign adventures. this not to say one approves of the actions of these radical groups, but its to say that one does not approve of financing armed groups to overthrow governments around the world. the roots of 911 are to be found in what are the normal mundane operations of the western powers.

Conspiracy ideas provide coherence in a historical situation like we live in, where the causes are often unknown for certain events. I was discussing this with a friend recently, and was observing that from my point of view it was impossible to settle upon the perfect explanation for certain historical events. No doubt Kennedy could have been targeted by various powerful groups, but how to determine the real malefactors? Myself thinks Oswald is not sufficient, but creating a genealogy of a patrician cabal that explains various assassinations up to the 9/11 debacle doesn’t ring true. It is coherent, but speculation ties together the pieces. But I would argue that the patricians run the show–they own it.

My two cents and it’s worth less than that: regarding 9/11, I won’t engage alternative theories because it’s speculative. However, the probability that the government’s version is the truth is almost zero.

The emergence of human forms of life on Earth can be understood as a conspiracy to achieve domination over all aspects of the given situation on this planet, and even extends to the intention to dominate the entire Universe. This is the primary conspiracy, from which all others derive. Is it necessary that all participants in this vast conspiracy be fully conscious of what they are up to? No, most participants are ignorant of the conspiracy of which they are a part. This unconsciousness of what they are doing allows them to carry out its basic mission without any qualms or feelings of responsibility in carrying out the destructive programming their acculturation has implanted in them.

Although some agents are more involved in the program to dominate all creation, there is no person or small group conscious of or in control of the overall process. If anything, it appears as if the process itself is in control of the participants, and calling the shots with or without their permission. In order to open the possibility of even a slim chance of altering or controlling the prime directive of universal domination, some of those humans involved must awaken to the situation the directive is causing – including the probable extinction of the human species – and find ways to free themselves from its grip, and then create means for others to similarly regain their inherent capacity for real freedom. There is no other program that can save ourselves from our otherwise certain self-annihilation.

I thought we weren’t going to reopen this Pandora’s Box, knowing how things tend to spin outta control in the aftermath, but yet here we are. The arguments pro and con with respect to any conspiracy seem to me to run as follows: (1) the number of conspirators needed is too great to guarantee permanent silence, someone will always break ranks, (2) the complexity of the conspiracy is too great for anyone to mastermind successfully considering the ineptitude of government functionaries in nearly every other endeavor, (3) the official narrative is so full of holes and secrecy that it cannot be swallowed whole, where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and (4) physical reality simply doesn’t behave according to official accounts and/or results are nonreproducible. Of those four, the first three are so contingent as to defy certain answers; only the fourth offers certainty but requires considerable expertise to know first-hand. Otherwise, one is left to trusting the authority of another’s expertise, which is prone to all sorts of distortions when dumbed down to a layperson’s level.

I agree with ulvfugl that 9/11 is a litmus test, considering how far-reaching its impacts have been. The demonstrable physical properties of materials at issue, though I’m not a materials engineer (though I know one personally), causes me to conclude something far more insidious than that the official story stinks. How deep that rabbit hole goes I leave to others to argue. With other conspiracies, as I’ve mentioned before, I feel little need to make a determination.

The problem with entertaining any of the many conspiracies available, of course, is that one can never argue a believer, or on the flipside a nonbeliever, into submission. If a person changes his or her mind, it’s in his or her own good time. Subscription pro or con also has a strong whiff of religiosity to it, and we know that wars have been fought over such matters. So we can continue to beat each other about the head and shoulders over these issues and blow up the website. Maybe this issue is central to our epistemology, or maybe it’s a distraction from the principal thrust of why we read, post, and/or comment. I continue to seek informed discussion about all matters but just shake my head at the vitriol being slung back and forth, accomplishing little but self-destruction. We already have plenty of that in association with collapse and hardly need to add to it.

On the contrary, there are times a believer can become a non believer. I believed the official theory for a couple years. But a friend kept up the questions and discussions with me, over and over. Eventually I became suspicious enough and I went into depth reading about the evidence. After a time it became so clear that I had let my guard down and I had been incredibly gullible. I can’t hardly believe I had been so naive for those two years. Once you see the lies of the official 9/11 story, it all becomes clear, and you wonder how anyone could believe such a fairytale.

i’m unconcerned if people are content with the official explanations of some of U.S. history. Nothing surprises me regarding the government – hell it started way back when they broke every treaty they ever signed with the native Americans, whose land they wanted, slaughtered buffalo for fun, and did all sorts of other disgusting, brutish behavior because they could. Any country whose beginnings are as ruthless and bloody as ours can’t be headed in the right direction and the Industrial Revolution only increased our speed down the road to perdition.

Now, it’s too late for any of this – conspiracies or not we fucked up royally because we didn’t listen to the very people we trained and put into positions to rein-in our behavior if it went against the physics of the planet and instead destroyed our habitat to make some people wealthy.

Would anyone care about any of it if we were expecting an asteroid strike in the next year or so? That’s very close to where we are with respect to our changing environment, so i won’t waste any time on this stuff – no matter who says what – i’m not taking sides and have my mind made up on some of it but am reserving judgement on some of the other stuff.

Any chance we could look at the important and immediate topic of emergent diseases or the on-going global economic meltdown sometime soon and leave this topic to other blogs where they may still argue about all this?

Our human problem goes waaaaay back. More intelligence = more knowledge = more power = temptation to use power selfishly = abuse of power = destruction of self and others. What is lacking in this equation is wisdom, which should have been inserted between temptation and abuse. Correcting this omission will not be easy. There are ways to do so, but few are willing to engage those processes.

And BTW this blog and others are a good first step to developing that needed wisdom. Necessary as a step, but not sufficient. More work is needed for that, but facing the truth of our reality is essential.

I have actually resigned myself to seeing how my fellow humans are going to resolve all these problems that we so emphatically say are unsolvable. If we’ve learned anything in the last several years, it should be that the Borg is in control, driven by its billions of human drones who are simply working within the system to fulfill their needs, whether it be the tens of thousands of contractors working for America’s security and surveillance or the palm oil farmers of Indonesia clearing rainforests. An interesting and shocking factoid on palm oil is that presently “around 50 percent of the goods we use every day contain palm oil, from processed foods to candles, grooming products and ‘biofuels’“. As you explained:

“…the process itself is in control of the participants, and calling the shots with or without their permission…”

The countrysides are being drained of their inhabitants for the lure of megacities. Even Lovelock said recently that we should hunker down in cities to survive climate change. How crazy is that?

So I’m looking at my life and wondering what is the worth of hashing over convoluted conspiracy theories whose explanation is as simple as being the mundane machinations of a fossil fuel-driven Empire. There’s no need to concoct elaborate explanations for certain events whose roots simply lie in global resource control. If you step on too many toes, you’re going to get blowback in the form of terrorism. Period.

Then after that comes the conspiracy theory: “Over one-quarter of all federal criminal prosecutions and a large number of state cases involve prosecutions for conspiracy.” (On The Origin of “Conspiracy Theory” , quoting Yale Law Journal). The government advances, in the courts of the land, more conspiracy theories than second place.

I sometimes wonder what conspiracy theorists imagine the result of everyone finally accepting their version of the moon walk, or 9/11, or crop circles, etc. would be? Do they think that our basic problems would then be solved? That the evil ones would then be dealt with and all would be well? They act much like eager children who have this great secret to impart. But what if one, settling a pillow beneath her head should say, “OK, OK – but so what?”

If the lies of 9/11 are exposed, then the fake war on terror would have no reason to exist along with the Department of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act and the NDAA bill. Doing away with all those extremely expensive programs and threats to our civil rights would be quite an accomplishment which might allow this country to remain free.

larry, you seem to misunderstand that 9/11 was the pretext for all those things, and thus things couldn’t be going more swimmingly. You seem to labor under the misapprehension that freedom is supposed to be the outcome.

Noticed a number of Larry Payne posts where no brilliant (i.e., ridiculing) reply from xraymike79 was made. Cat got your tongue, devil? You are on the list for complicity in the cover-up. Just wanted you to know. http://911JusticeCampaign.org

I didn’t think you could stoop lower, but you have demonstrated to us that you can.

What next? Label me (and anyone else who doesn’t believe the bullshit churned out by governments) a drug trafficker, procurer of children for under-age sex, trader in ivory products, smuggler of endangered species?

How about ‘international terrorist with suspected links to Al Qaida’?

Now that you mind has opened up to the possibilities (‘anti-semiisitism’, ‘Holocuast denial’) you can conjure up any kind of preposterous assertion you like, I suppose.

Mass media puts in the dustbin of history the genocide of 60 million white, Christian Russians during the Bolshevik (Marxist, Jewish communism) revolution period. An estimated 65-85% of Bolshevik operatives were Jewish.

Lessons of the official holocaust narrative are lost on the Israeli radical Jews in their genocide of Palestinians in an open-air concentration camp.

Playing the ‘genocide meme’? Exposing the evidence of who did 9/11 is ‘genocide’?

That’s just another distraction which sidesteps the mounds of evidence that muslims could not have accomplished 9/11.

“This anti-goyim, supremacist, racist, genocidal Judaic ideology had developed and imprinted a severe case of paranoid complex deep in the collective psyche of Jews, whose anti-goyim hate, treachery, unethical and immoral dealings produced a reactionary collective international anti-Jewish sentiment. Sorry Mr. Dershowitz it is the anti-goyimism in the Jewish collective psyche, not the anti-Semitism, that is the disease of the soul.” Source: http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/05/paranoid-jew/

Such paranoia and reliance upon ridicule as if you’ve slam-dunked the argument is delusional–and some might say, ‘psychopathic’.

I have always understood why 9/11 was planned and executed.
I have always known that 9/11 could not have been covered up successfully without total control of mainstream media. If the media wasn’t involved, the world would have known on the day it happened that the 3 towers were blown up. The videos are proof of that and the media lied about it from day one.

Mike, I would try hard not to confuse a set of facts or circumstances with the personalities promoting them in an individual case. I don’t know anything about Larry but I think you should cut some slack here… On 3/11, when I heard about Fukushima, I said to my friends, “that’s it, Japan is toast, and this is going to affect the whole world. They will never get this under control.” It’s just something you *know* in your gut. It’s not a religion—it’s the aggregate of all known pieces of information about a culture and its context, about human nature and economics, as well as about science in general, beyond just the particular local pieces of info.

In the case of 9/11, the Project for a New American Century types publicly stated that the US “needed a new Pearl Harbor”. Anyone having read that is likely to come to a different conclusion than someone not having read it.

On vile hate groups: this is also a high risk factor when investigating the money/banking system. One risks getting lumped together with the Ezra Pounds and worse, the real neo-Nazis, in attacking the banks. Some of this is, I believe, intentionally aimed at shutting down criticism, because few people want to be labeled as anti-Semites.

In the case of 9/11, the Project for a New American Century types publicly stated that the US “needed a new Pearl Harbor”. Anyone having read that is likely to come to a different conclusion than someone not having read it.

And they[neocons] used the terrorist attack exactly as planned, but to make the fantastical stretch that they orchestrated the bombings is really in the realm of the lunatic fringe.

Consider the magnitude of the lies from the government and the complicity of the media leading to the war in Iraq. I actually believed Colin Powell. After I figured out that it was all a monstrous “conspiracy” to convince the American people to go to war, I finally understood those criminals running the country are capable of anything, including 9/11.

The North Tower shown in that video had 90 floors underneath where the airliner hit. Since people occupying those 90 floors were able to escape down the stairwells we know there were no fires there. The towers were supported by 47 massive vertical steel columns around the elevator core. There were 240 vertical steel columns around the outside perimeter which were connected by steel spandrel at each floor. All the outside columns were connected to the interior columns by steel floor joists.

So you claim that the weight of the top 20 floors where the fire was could cause the 90 undamaged floors to collapse at near free fall speed? Physically impossible without the use of explosives and only explosives could cause the tons of debris to be thrown outward from the building hundreds of feet. Air pressure would not move that material 1 foot. Air pressure would not pulverize the concrete either.

Sorry, but that doesn’t make any sense at all. Steel has to reach 1800 degrees F to be weakened at all. Enclosed jet fuel fires burn no hotter than 600 degrees F.
Did you know the North Tower caught fire in 1975 on the 11th floor and spread to the 17th floor. Firemen fighting the blaze said it burned “hotter than a blowtorch.” The fire burned for twice as long as the 9/11 fire. After it was extinguished the steel in the building was undamaged and the building stood for 25 more years until it was taken down with explosives. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_1975_fire.html

there is a fact which i don’t share very often, and that is that i am actually a PHD (Post Hole Digger), as such i must recommend watching this video as least once every six months, just to stay grounded.

The rising numbers do not correspond to an increase in violence, but rather, are driven by politically-motivated policy changes, including: the imposition of “mandatory minimums” in the 1980s, longer sentences for repeat convictions, and increased criminalization of drug offenses due to the War on Drugs.

“politically-motivated policy changes” that just happened to take place at the same time private for profit prisons started taking off in the U.S. Also, that just happens to coincide with the hugely publicized inner city “crack epidemic”. Where are all the crack babies we were promised? Conspiracy or coincidence?
What is going to happen when there is no money to keep all the prisons open?

the actual cone is not depicted accurately as you can see what appears to be individual people. if there was 7 billion people piled up, the blob of humans would be very smooth looking on the surface, and you’d have to zoom right in to a few orders of magnification to see any actual people. that heap (in surface texture) is more what the people from one small city would look like piled up.

things like this tend to play down the human population. of course its ‘relatively small’ in scale compared to massive geophysical features. thats not the point. the point is, at that scale the human population should be hardly visible at all. if you piled up any other species on earth, you’d probably have to zoom in quite alot to see it at all.

this human cone is actually colossally big. its the sort of pile you would get if you got hold of EVERY vertebrate on earth and piled them all up.

when you look at it relative to other life, the graphic actually shows the horrific scale of the human population.

Of course humans, pound for pound, are the winners hands down for environmental destruction. We have no competition except amongst each other. However, as far as biomass, Wikipedia breaks it down like this:

Humans comprise about 100 million tonnes of the Earth’s dry biomass,[30]domesticated animals about 700 million tonnes, and crops about 2 billion tonnes.[citation needed] The most successful animal species, in terms of biomass, may well be Antarctic krill, Euphausia superba, with a fresh biomass approaching 500 million tonnes,[27][31][32] although domestic cattle may also reach these immense figures.[citation needed] However, as a group, the small aquatic crustaceanscalled copepods may form the largest animal biomass on earth.[33] A 2009 paper in Science estimates, for the first time, the total world fish biomass as somewhere between 0.8 and 2.0 billion tonnes.[34][35] It has been estimated that about 1% of the global biomass is due to phytoplankton,[36] and a staggering 25% is due to fungi.

exactly my point. humans should have a biomass figure similar to lions or chimps and not one in the ball park of an animal low down in the food chain of a vast ocean system like krill. if we were a normal top predator species you would need to view that grand canyon diagram with an electron microscope to see our population at all. basically we have inverted the trophic pyramid with fossil fuel, and its all top heavy with humans, and certain to collapse once the struts that artificially supports it is removed.

these sorts of diagrams, like the idea ‘we could fit all humans on the isle of wight ..so whats the problem’ are designed by population apologists to make it seem like population isnt an issue, but its all relative. for instance how large an area would african elephants fill if you bunged them all together. im guessing not more than a football field or two and how many football fields could you get on the isle of wight. how about lions? a tennis court or two. and thats the same with every large mammal species. their populations would fill quite a small space. when you know how microscopically tiny any population of tertiary consumers should be in relation to the land surface that supports it, these diagrams do a very good job of illustrating how colossally huge and mega plague like the human population is.

The only part I have to disagree with is the “wasted life” assertion. Hey, if we all just went merrily along would there be no problems? All the poets, (sci-fi & other) authors, scientists, mystics, tribal elders and aware folk aren’t wrong to bring up what they see while everyone else is “going along to get along.” There’s is the REAL meaning to life – bringing up the reality that we are part of it and are destroying it all. I don’t see that as wasting life.

mike, please define the non-wasted life. The life that makes others feel good, happy clappy? What do you see as the point of existence, if it’s not to explore truth no matter what dark corner that takes you to?

I was responding to your comment above, about MR.. It seems like you are confusing things… Which is it that you want to talk about? I don’t think MR killed himself because his theories were debunked, far from it. He did appear to have some instability to begin with, and having money issues with no resolution in sight has probably led better men to extreme gestures.

P.s. I just noticed that, not only does your blog say it’s about “exposing the truth behind the American Hologram”, it even has a picture of the WTC explosion! Kinda ironic…

And that brings up a great point…..
A great way to begin to study 9/11 is to learn about building 7, not hit by a plane. Lots of explosions were heard. Learn more from the website architects and engineers for 9/11 truth.

For me its hanlons razor that always manages to ground my perception of reality:

“Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.”

Hanlons razor strikes true almost all of the time and it is always helpfull when facing conspiracy theorists. Nevertheless there are those few cases when bad people do evil things on purpose with the power we allow them to have.

I am from germany, a country where a few nazis conspired to bring ruin to the world and murder a million people in CCs. They had the means to do so because the german people made it possible. Every german had a responsibility for the holocaust. Following orders in the face of fascism does not erase your own guilt, and in the end it is always the matter of how and if the individual faces its own responsibility.

What nazi germany can teach us is that not wanting to see and believe the evil that is done in your name makes you just as responsible as doing the deed. Not knowing about the atrocities done in your name is no excuse. In the end its not the fault of the few conspirators but your own. This is the painfull truth that the USA made all germans face after the second world war. Today, its the US citizens that need to be reminded of that painfull truth.

The most powerfull country today is the USA and as you know, “with great power there comes great responsibility”. To find out all that you can about the actions of the people you allow to have power is the responsibility of the governed. Today every citizen of the USA has the means to know about the atrocities (and the good things) that are done in his name.

The people in the USA fail to do their part abysmally. Even more dangerous than any conspiracy is its opposite. Coming back to hanlons razor: stupidity is the ultimate force of destruction. Not knowing, not wanting to know, never questioning and blindly believing in the good of your leaders is the ultimate source of all evil.

…In some parts of the North Pacific Ocean, pteropods may make up only 2 to 10 percent of plankton species, while copepods and krill — which are more nutritious — play a greater role, Mackas said. But in a few isolated spots pteropods can make up half or more of plankton species.

Herring, mackerel and some seabirds eat pteropods, as do other pteropod species. In the open oceans, some small fishes, squids and large shrimp eat them. Some of those animals then become important in the diet of tuna, salmon and walleye pollock, the centerpiece of a $1 billion industry based in Seattle and Alaska.

“The ocean food web is connected in a lot more ways than we understand,” Mackas said. “Even if there’s not a hugely strong direct effect on coastal baby fish, there could be a strong two-steps-removed effect on slightly older life stages of important commercial fish.”

If pteropod numbers ultimately decline, Mackas said, it’s clear “there will be a consequence of some kind.”

And if pteropods already are being harmed, that suggests other marine life might be impacted already, too. That’s why Newton’s acidification center is tracking several plankton species in the wild and paying for research on still others.

“I think this is a huge flashing light for us that we need better observations and monitoring of our natural environment,” she said. “We need better information.”…

yep; hear what they thought you might say; read into a text what they thought it should say;& totally incompetent to tell fact from fantasy. They are among us,they walk, they talk, they breathe; but are they aware?

In a secret test of mass surveillance technology, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department sent a civilian aircraft* over Compton, California, capturing high-resolution video of everything that happened inside that 10-square-mile municipality.

Compton residents weren’t told about the spying, which happened in 2012. “We literally watched all of Compton during the times that we were flying, so we could zoom in anywhere within the city of Compton and follow cars and see people,” Ross McNutt of Persistence Surveillance Systems told the Center for Investigative Reporting, which unearthed and did the first reporting on this important story. The technology he’s trying to sell to police departments all over America can stay aloft for up to six hours. Like Google Earth, it enables police to zoom in on certain areas. And like TiVo, it permits them to rewind, so that they can look back and see what happened anywhere they weren’t watching in real time.

If it’s adopted, Americans can be policed like Iraqis and Afghanis under occupation–and at bargain prices

The trial judge in the case asked the government attorneys 5 times whether journalists like Hedges could be indefinitely detained simply for interviewing and then writing about bad guys.

The government refused to promise that journalists like Hedges won’t be thrown in a dungeon for the rest of their lives without any right to talk to a judge.

The trial judge ruled that the indefinite detention bill was unconstitutional, holding:

This Court rejects the government’s suggestion that American citizens can be placed in military detention indefinitely, for acts they could not predict might subject them to detention.

But the court of appeal overturned that decision, based upon the assumption that limited the NDAA to non-U.S. citizens:

We thus conclude, consistent with the text and buttressed in part by the legislative history, that Section 1021 [of the 2012 NDAA] means this: With respect to individuals who are not citizens, are not lawful resident aliens, and are not captured or arrested within the United States, the President’s [Authorization for Use of Military Force] authority includes the authority to detain those responsible for 9/11 as well as those who were a part of, or substantially supported, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners—a detention authority that Section 1021 concludes was granted by the original AUMF. But with respect to citizens, lawful resident aliens, or individuals captured or arrested in the United States, Section 1021 simply says nothing at all.

The court of appeal ignored the fact that the co-sponsors of the indefinite detention law said it does apply to American citizens, and that top legal scholars agree.

Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal of the case, thus blessing and letting the indefinite detention law stand unchanged.

The court of appeal’s Orwellian reasoning may sound – at first blush – like it might be a good thing. After all, the court said there’s no indication that the indefinite detention provision will be applied against U.S. citizens.

However, by refusing to strike down the law and insist that any future laws explicitly exempt U.S. citizens, it leaves discretion in the hands of the executive branch.

The effect of the decision will be to allow the U.S. government to kidnap and indefinitely detain U.S. citizens who protest or dissent against the government … and the courts will never hear any legal challenge from the prisoners.

A final word on 911 from the prominent American Paul Craig Roberts who worked in the Reagan administration: ” 9/11, the basis for Washington’s destruction of civil liberty and illegal military attacks, is itself a lie. The fantastic story that a few Saudi Arabians without government or intelligence agency backing outwitted the entire national security apparatus of the Western world is unbelievable. It is simply not credible that every institution of the national security state simultaneously failed. That Washington would tell such a fantastic lie shows that Washington has no respect for the intelligence of the American people and no respect for the integrity of the American media. It shows also that Washington has no respect for the intelligence and integrity of its European and Asian allies.” http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/06/gangster-state-america-paul-craig-roberts-2/

Without a doubt getting to the back of the American hologram requires we respect those who assert the official version is demonstrably absurd.

Although I like some of what Roberts says, he’s actually a prominent conspiracy theorist on 9/11 and a gatekeeper for the system as explained by Ron Horn over at SurvivingCapitalism:

I hesitated posting this article because Roberts already gets too much exposure on the web. His rants can be accessed everywhere: rants about the abuses of capitalism and abuses of power. But his criticisms of capitalism are always carefully limited and that is precisely why he is everywhere on the web: he functions as an ideological gatekeeper to confine criticisms to superficial issues in relation to capitalism while carefully avoiding core issues about the system and completely preventing discussion of alternative systems. Hence, Corseri is dead wrong when he states:

You can’t tie Roberts to one ideology. What’s clear is his commitment to understanding the mess we’ve made of our world, and re-visioning, rebuilding it.

Robert’s view are strictly of a liberal sort in that in his numerous rants he always comes back to the need for capitalism to be regulated. He wants to “re-vision” and “rebuild” capitalism. He never questions the basic concept of private ownership of an economy. Hence, the title of his book which makes clear his ideological position. This leads people down a political dead end simply because today’s capitalists are much too powerful to accept any substantial regulation of their activities. And leading people down a dead end is very useful for the ruling class whether it is done consciously or not.

9/11 conspiracy theories are not going to go away, even though they have largely been debunked in quite some detail as evidenced by this list of resources:

911 Guide (http://archive.is/jcXn4) – One of the better structured sites – provides brief lists and descriptions of the various claims, with a brief explanation of the problems with the claims, and then links to more detailed discussions of those claims.

Trying to reason with a dedicated conspiracy theorist is like trying to convert a fundamentalist religionist, or life long racist, or homophobe from their tightly held belief. They will take your remarks as a personal attack on themselves, and retaliate in kind – however gentle your approach might have been. This demonstration of a powerful emotional investment in their position is the clue for you that you are dealing with an unreachable fundamentalist. Pause, and back away slowly if you wish to avoid the venom that will come your way if you persist in your mistaken belief that you can talk to them about their pet issue. Life is too precious to waste your time in this no-win game….

Went into the city today and what a creepy place. A sprawling cancer, its metabolism happening around me. The cars zipping about were like RBC’s within arteries carrying resource and molecular actors to their destinations. Ape drivers smoking cigarettes, listening a thumping car radio, eating a shit-burger, and telling themselves they’re larger than life, as the dopamine is dumped by multiple channels into their increasingly numb brains. Gaudy, cheap land-fill material in every direction, something James Kunstler can describe so well. And they’ll all end up in their own landfill with inscribed stones showing name and dates of birth and death but nothing to give a hint that their lives ever mattered or amounted to any more than a semi-conscious journey of self-stimulation leading to the ecstasy of everlasting life.

On the way home I had to listen to a radio host taking calls about the new government report on the climate change. One caller said we have nothin to worry about, a new ice age is coming. Another said that all we need to do is eliminate the EPA and a U.S. Senate candidate fully agreed that all of those decisions should be left to the states. Another caller said zero-point and magnetic energy was going to save us. There was not one well reasoned or coherent call. So how does it feel to be incorporated into a colony of mindless dopamine spongers all of which have a little reptile inside sorting through various ideas with minimal cognition, discarding any that don’t put a heapin helpin of feel good on the table.

In the meantime the Zyklon CO2 continues to pour into the hermetically sealed atmosphere, but it doesn’t hurt, and that’s good because the party must go on, at least until our proteins denature and we all fall down. What a madhouse, they’ve built their own suicide machine. Charlton Heston said it best in the movie Planet of the Apes, “God damn you all to hell!” I would have to modify that and say, enjoy yourselves, you deserve it.

I have long vacillated between contempt and compassion for my culture and it’s mostly unconscious minions. As I grow older, the anger is subsiding, to be replaced with sadness and a peculiar kind of fondness for my deluded fellow beings. What fools we mortals be. Honesty causes me to include myself in the whole sorry lot. Then in spite of the beckoning solace of claiming victimhood, I have to pull up my socks and greet another day of modest efforts to be a better person and help those I contact to have a better day whether they choose to remain unconscious or not….

“My own thoughts on 9/11 go no further than it being blowback from American foreign policy and bureaucratic incompetence.”

What I can’t quite fathom about the “blowback” explanation is why anybody finds it that convincing. Not to say that it is impossible, mind you, but let’s just consider certain key facts:

The British Empire (and French and Spanish and Portuguese) brutalized the populations of large swathes of the planet for centuries and I recall no issue with blowback terrorism. Maybe a bit from the Irish, but nothing from the entire Indian subcontinent, or Africa. Or the Middle East for that matter. In fact, throughout the entire period, English cops felt no need to even carry a firearm. If blowback terrorism is such a natural result of these kinds of policies, why was there no such problem?

The United States could carpet bomb villagers throughout Southeast Asia, killing millions of innocents, destroying entire villages, like in the My Lai incident, and I cannot recall a single “blowback” terrorism incident, where somebody who lost his entire family, entire village, decided to blow up some Americans in California, say, to get even. Never happened. I think not even once. There are large Vietnamese populations and all it would have taken was one embittered person, but no… nothing.

Similar comment can be made about Nicaragua contras and Salvadoran junta. Brutal stuff and no blowback terrorism on American soil despite a large population of refugees from those countries and, again, all it would take is one person with a grudge to do a suicide bombing.

So, if there is no history of this happening previously, why is the entire American “intelligentsia” so invested in this “blowback” terrorism explanation of 9/11? To me, frankly, “blowback” terrorism seems a lot like lone nuts showing up out of the blue and shooting people, a story line we should immediately be very suspicious of.

The Psychological Profile of a Conspiracy Theorist (And Some Great 9-11 Troofer Debunking Videos)

British scientist Myles Power devoted a good portion of his last trip to NY to interviewing 9-11 conspiracy theorists (hereinafter “troofers”) at Ground Zero and questioning them on the bases for their beliefs. Upon returning home, he then made an incredibly thorough, informative, and humorous set of videos that debunks the various theories offered by the troofers. I believe all of the videos are well worth a watch (see links below), but one of them in particular, where Myles has a psychology PhD doctoral student friend of his expound upon the current understanding of troofer psychology, is particularly noteworthy and relevant in light of the recent onslaught of Sandy Hook troofers. If, like I did, you struggle to see how any group of people can remain so obstinately illogical (and become downright offensive as a result), then this should prove a useful primer for you on how and why such delusions persist.

The video is below, but, if you are interested at all in the 9-11 conspiracy theories (be it for debunking or troof believing purposes!), I also recommend watching all videos in the seven part set. They are quite good:

They are right that this is an interesting psychological phenomenon. Twice in the space of a couple of hours, an airplane that weighs 100 tons slams into a building with a mass of several hundred thousand tons, of which 100,000 tons is super strong structural steel. The latter, as a result, completely disintegrates. You apparently have to be crazy to question this.

It’s a heck of a thing. Imagine you scale down the 400 meter high building down to 4 meters high, make a scale model. So it’s 100x100x100, length x width x breadth smaller. So presumably it weighs 1,000,000 times less. So our model weighs not several hundred thousand tons, but several hundred kilograms, of which 100 kg is structural steel. Let’s scale own the plane by the same factor. Instead of 100 tons, it now weighs 100 grams, like about as much as a cell phone. The 90,000 liters of jet fuel are now 90 ml of jet fuel, scaled down.

Imagine a 4 meter (13 foot high) WTC model with 100 kg of structural steel. It is struck by a model plane weighing about what a cell phone weighs with 90 cc of burning jet fuel splashing onto the thing. The entire 13-foot model and all 100 kg of structural steel just basically disintegrate with no further help.

The problem, you see, is that we have very little intuition about very large objects (I mean, large relative to our everyday…) but if we scale down the event a million fold, the utter physical absurdity of the official story becomes patent.

IN any case, the psychology of this was covered very well in universal literature by Hans Christian Andersen in the story, “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.

Interesting story from a couple weeks ago about the creator of the popular 911 Truther movie ‘Loose Change’…

Today Avery has little money and his future remains uncertain. Back in 2006, when his movie was hot and the movement was peaking, he earned $75,000. Now he scrapes by as a freelancer. “I look for gigs on Craigslist,” Avery told me. “I’ll edit a trailer for $100 because that will buy food.”

Yet he’s excited about his new film, Black and Blue, especially because it’s grounded in fact-based stories, not theories, about people who have been abused by the police. And though questions still linger about 9/11, such as why, on Sept. 6, 2001, the daily average for put-options on United Airlines stock quadrupled, he no longer tortures himself with speculation. “In my truly angry times, in 2005 or 2006, if you asked if the Bush administration planned the attacks, I would have said, ‘Fuck yeah’.”

I find it ironic that XRayMike is a subscriber to the biggest conspiracy theory of all – that capitalistic modern industrial society is at fault for our rendezvous with premature extinction. That is a classical attempt to conveniently assign blame to some outside agent, exactly as he decries in the post. And it’s simply wrong. The trajectory towards overshoot was set long before agriculture, when humans fanned out from Africa and exterminated the megafauna, for starters.

I guess it was Pogo who said, “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”

But XRayMike would rather blame the Koch brothers – and at the same time, ridicule people who see through the offical 9/11 fraud!

So are you telling me you’re another 911 Troofer? This must be a strong psychological trait of self-proclaimed Doomers.

Pertaining to capitalism, you are the first to make the claim that capitalism and its ravages don’t really exist and are a conspiracy theory. Last time I checked, ALEC had a new plan to destroy the EPA:

Economics 101, from my first class,in 1966: “All theories work some of the time, no theory works all of the time.” Unregulated capital markets are not a Panacea, they are a one way trip to collapse. Otherwise, all of us,everywhere in history,would be living the perfect life that is dangled before us like a carrot by all those who benefit by this mass delusion. If someone has The Answer, he is a con man.

Corporations can and do shape entire national culture to serve their financial motives through huge social engineering projects. Take the example Noam provided of the petroleum industry buying up and destroying the existing electric mass transit system in the major US cities. What he did not mention, but was implied, was the subsequent marketing of personal transportation vehicles by General Motors in direct conspiracy with the petroleum industry’s mass transit takeover. To this day the petroleum industry is manipulating popular opinion with its now dominant control of the mass media with all of its protean guises. Major governments cede to their power (money), and now tracts of land are being extracted and processed into toxic sludge to be scattered across the globe. This is a conspiracy to maximize profit with no regard for societal costs. Chomsky aptly suggests that this conspiracy will likely lead to the demise of the species. While this should be the main conspiracy worth investigating, people are still concerned about the murder of a war criminal president 50 years ago or other similarly unproductive investigations.

In the above comment you make clear you have not read the article and then claim that none of it invalidates what Chomsky said. Maybe you’re right, but if you did not read the article, how do you know that?

Chomsky is completely wrong on this sort of topic. Independent researchers have established that the JFK assassination was a CIA black op. At this point, we even have the deathbed confession of one of the perps, E. Howard Hunt. What more do you want?

Now, as for the other part of it, the who cares sort of argument, well, yeah…. it’s possibly insane that people are so obsessed, even fifty years later, with a popular elected president beinggunned down on the streets of an American city in broad daylight. A sign of their abnormal psychology, I guess.

The assassination was a relatively small operation. The subsequent coverup was far larger. That is par for the course. The assassination itself may be a rather mundane thing to look at and understand. It’s easy to kill a man. Understanding the coverup, OTOH, is to understand how the overall system works.

I think the troofers have worked hard to earn a spot as a special variety of trolls. They love to find people who will argue with them. This gives them an opportunity to vaunt their supposedly superior knowledge, and treat everyone else as clueless fools. Do not feed the trolls remains the gold standard for (not) dealing with these folks.

Those who are enamored with CT certainly display their slide into Barbarity. The Conspiracy Worm has eaten out the brain, leaving them as slavering zombies, who tell a tale, full of sound & fury, yet signifying nothing; except that Societal Collapse is eminent. Off, you blocks,you stones, you worse than useless things, go play with your absurd notions, but keep your puerile bile to yourselves. I guess that i am disgusted, but that is nothing new. Keep your eye on the ball, not on the side show, or your pockets will be picked clean.

My opinion regarding “conspiracy theory” as such comes directly from Mr. Capitalism Adam Smith, Patron saint of the American ligarchy who writes in the Wealth of Nations

“We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combinations of masters, though frequently of those of the workman. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination…To violate this combination is everywhere a most unpopular action, and a sort of reproach to a master among his neighbours and equals. We seldom, indeed, hear of this combination, because it is the usual, and one may say, the natural state of things, which nobody ever hears of. Masters, too, sometimes enter into particular combinations…These are always conducted with the utmost silence and secrecy, till the moment of execution.”
Book I, Chapter VIII

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public” Book IV Chapter VIII

As Chomsky said before he got old, you are supposed to worship Adam Smith, not read him.

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I can say that many people I have met outside the US bubble are not convinced and I was pointed by them to the several resources.It seems that the majority of True Believers of the 911/Bush story are Americans. This is one manifestation of the self-referential hologram that Morris Berman calls the most successful political formation in the history of the world. Why is it primarily the gingos who “believe”, and further, get unbearably bent out of sorts when the gospel from on high is questioned?

I have to presume that there is some level of sub-conscious psychological banishment mechanism that wants to deny the horror, the war, the torture, the invasions, the violations, the genocidal levels of death, displacement and mayhem that has been the fallout from the official story.

And why? Because people who live in the States, regardless of whether or not they supported the wars, the patriot act, the torture and the terror…those people benefited and continue to benefit materially and practically from the process. Yeah – so you didn’t support it? What then did you actually ~do~ to stop it or oppose it? Nothing? Less than nothing? Can any tepid rationalization bring back 2 million+ dead Iraqis? Return the 20% displaced population of Iraq to their homes? Remove the thousands of years upcoming of depleted uranium munitions fallout?

Did you stop paying taxes? Did you occupy your government house? Did you glue the locks and block the entrance to recruiting stations? Did you support resisters Watada or Mejia in any way?

Or, like practically every American I know, did you do less than nothing? Did you sit continuously on your well-entertained behind and endlessly produce rationalizations about every anomaly about 911 that – oh, sorry – also incidentally pointedly serve your self interest? I think the answer is predictable.

The question always comes down to qui bono. Did the radical Arabs who supposedly did the deed profit or prosper in any way? Or did the US military and the ultra right wing get a massive shot in the arm?

It is arguable the cause for every US war since the Spanish American War has been juiced up and concocted. Remember the Maine, The Lusitania for WW1, The belligerent Roosevelt oil embargo of Japan which precipitated an attack on the American Imperial Colony of Pear Harbor, the convenient “invasion” of S. Korea by the North which conveniently coincided with American satrap/dictator Sygman Rhee getting his butt stomped in the first post war Korean election, The Gulf of Tonkin, The Naira/Daughter of Kuwati Ambassador/Hill&Knowlton cooked up lies about babies and incubators….

But, all good Americans now need to understand that “911” was the first time in a century, if not the whole history of the country that this pattern did not repeat.

So, the psychological diagnosis that I can see going on with the new change of direction here is: 1) Projection – that other people are following a religion, but the “sensible ones” the non-conspiratist “believers” are not following a religion. 2) Reaction Formation – that others are guilty of your missteps and misdeeds 3) Compartamentalized Thinking (Cognitive Dissonance) – Where Mike Rupert can be such a swell guy, but the actual substance of his massive, overly citated book Crossing The Rubicon is just derisive piffle and religious conspiracy theory. 4) Motivated Reasoning or Self-interested rationalization. 5) Denial protected by localized social normalization. 6) Gaslighting as denfense mechanism against out groupers who dare ask questions or break the spell.

As I have said before, I haven’t lived in the States for well over a decade because I see the social and psychological environment as abusive, traumatizaing, toxic and abusive. Practically every American I know is laboring under some sort of psychosis which requires preservation of status and privilege through systematic rationalization, deeply irrational religious practices, and/or non-stop high power psychological medication

Frankly, as an American, I am appalled. Even more so by the fact that it is the Americans who are most responsible and most complicit with the climate holocaust. And who also have the most power and most potential to effect some change in the situation, but conveniently won’t do anything to stop it. I am, by now, well versed by now in all the excuses.

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you like GMO foods? just wait until you get a load of some GMO people. the potential for wiping out the species is immeasurable.

geez, i can’t believe that i’m saying it, but i am. get with the program folks. there are so many posters here with so much more knowledge than a high school educated hick from flyover county, what is up with you guys?

none of it matters, it’s done. as the Shrub said, they create reality, and while we argue, they create another. our current POTUS uses the same playbook.
i believe 911 was exactly as described, Al Qaeda. do i trust our government? hell no.
those in power don’t need false flags to get anything done, the control of the ruling class is nearly complete w/o any ginned up crises; not that they don’t gin up crises as in our overthrowing govts. around the world.

my suspicion is that conspiracy theorists have the same control issues as those whom they criticize, by that i mean the govt.
it’s a disease of linear thinking, a desire to believe there is reason behind events, sometimes there is, sometimes there isn’t.

at this point the people who can get as far away from major population centers as possible and build self sufficient communities may have a slim chance of riding out the next several centuries. i am not one of these people, i don’t have the means or the skills, but i wish whoever is out there the best.

the species may get lucky, it could all break down before we burn the last drop of petrol, we may burn it all up and the planet may still recover; we are dealing with estimates and projections. predictions can have margins of error, a lot depends on those margins.

This article simply contains no hard facts. It consists solely of a blanket ad-hominem attack on so-called “conspiracy theorists”.

Okay, the author presumably believes the official story on 9/11 is true. In fact, he not only believes it is true, but believes that is so clearly true that only a lunatic would doubt it. So I infer that he believes there is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence. Right?

So what specifically is the most compelling evidence that these attacks were orchestrated by a religious fanatic in a cave in Afghanistan? If such evidence exists it is rather strange that the author of this piece does not outline it, instead just stating that anybody who doubts this story is self-evidently crazy?

What specifically is the evidence? The most compelling evidence in your opinion?

We are at a juncture where the Pandora’s box is opening to reveal not aliens–but inhumane humans who were behind 9/11. It wasn’t muslims. The biggest clue as to who did 9/11 for me is mass media cover-up and Hollyweird features parroting the official lies. It isn’t muslims who control mass media nor Hollyweird.

The Achilles heel of these ‘alien bipeds’ is the truth of 9/11. In desperation, xraymike79 resorts to anything but direct engagement of the evidence–making sweeping rejections and ad-hominem attacks.

I think this is an excellent analysis. It is much easier for people to believe in some dark force that is leading us astray rather than excepting that it is the system of which they are a living contributor that is the problem.

Place the blame anywhere else but on their own shoulders and they can keep on keepin’ on without ever asking what they can do to alleviate the issues we face.

In all of history only 3 concrete and steel buildings have ever fallen down as a result of short-lived, low temperature fires. And they all did it on the same day. Elsewhere, and on other days such buildings can have raging infernos for many hours and not fall down.

in all of history only 2 passenger airliners have ever evaporated on impact with grass. And both did so on the same day the buildings fell to the ground. Elsewhere and on other days aircraft crashes result in masses of wreckage and bodies.

In all of history on only one occasion has large a twin-engined airliner crashed into a concrete building and generated a single 16-foot hole. Again on the same day. Truly amazing.

In all of history there has been only one day on which NORAD failed to respond to off-course planes because the aircraft had been sent on ‘training exercises well away from the vicinity by Dick Cheney. Again on the same day. An amazing coincidence.

All of he above was facilitated by a group of semi-peasants operating out of a cave in Afghanistan. I think it was a truly remarkable achievement to be able to bend the laws of physics and chemistry and control the minds of so many American citizens and military personnel from a distance of many thousands of kilometres using a laptop computer and a satellite dish.

No wonder Americans are so afraid.

I see you still have 2 or 3 people supporting you and your bizarre theories, Mike.

Although not as fast as the demolitions done on 9/11, the loss of credibility of the operator of this site is the fastest I’ve ever witnessed.

I think we’re going to close this particular blog post by day’s end, but I need to do one more to tie up some loose ends. I find CT’s a fascinating subject because so many otherwise intelligent people can get wrapped up in them even though they can be discounted using basic logical thinking which I’ll get into on the next post.

I’ve also learned that 911 conspiracy theorists have within them a contingent of hate groups who feed off of people’s fear, paranoia and ignorance to push their agendas of hate.

Plunging down a rabbit hole — any rabbit hole — apparently makes one likely to pursue radicalism on additional topics. Fortunately for governments, few citizens are willing to look deeply into any topic, no matter how important. The shadows in the cave are far too comfortable to risk facing reality head-on.
And then there are the Strong Suggestions of Thermodynamics Laws of Thermodynamics. The official story of 9/11 violates the Laws of Thermodynamics, yet few people I know are willing to question the official narrative. After all, doing so would adhere to Franklin’s maxim, a notion foreign to the typical modern ‘murican. The Orwellian absurdity continues with the disparaging term applied to those who question the impossible official narrative: “truther.”

That was a decent essay except for two bizarre sentences which you have quoted:

“And then there are the Strong Suggestions of Thermodynamics Laws of Thermodynamics. The official story of 9/11 violates the Laws of Thermodynamics, yet few people I know are willing to question the official narrative.”

Gail,
If you have any links where Guy expounds on this odd statement, I’d love to hear it.

I see you are still attempting to twist the whole discussion by using the word admission rather than the phrase ‘recognition of truth’.

Anyway, as others have noted, what does it matter what Guy McPherson believes He is not God, Not that I have any doubt,, since he and I had three days of intense discussion about practically everything when he came to stay with me and were iin near-total agreement on all topics including that the phony war on terror was predicated on the lies told by the US government with respect to 9/11. Indeed, Guy got a copy of the book I wrote in 2011 which includes a chapter on the evidence why the official 9/11 narrative is a pack of lies. He has never come back to me to say I was wrong.

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is dead, though most Americans refuse to acknowledge that truth. But the former U.S. Marine arrested for patriotic posts on Facebook knows. After his relatively innocuous posts, he was placed in a Stalin-like mental ward. Displaying the “wrong” political view warrants the same treatment. Apparently questioning 9/11 — an obvious inside job, as anybody paying the slightest attention has known for years — makes one crazy. Or a terrorist. Or both. And if you think 9/11 wasn’t an inside job — the evidence for which is overwhelming and physically undeniable — then you believe in coincidence but not the Laws of Thermodynamics.

The situation existing for humans in our world is very conducive for engendering paranoia. It is in a way sort of normal to be paranoid to some degree. But the danger is that this sense of distrust can run away with one’s mind and end up with all sorts of bizarre and irrational beliefs that have little foundation in reality. This is a common feature in many severe mental illnesses. One of the mechanisms by which this happens is displacement. The many vague sources for our suspicion and unease are bundled into one major supposed outrage, which now stands as a concrete exemplar of all our vague anxieties. When a person has become reliant on these fantasies that project all uncomfortable feelings on outside agencies, to have these ideas questioned is profoundly threatening, and results in the questioner being identified with the evils one is trying keep at bay. This strong emotional reaction towards nonbelievers is an index of how emotionally important the given beliefs are to the one creating them. The government often serves as the target for paranoid ideation. Of course the government does have many evil and secret agendas, and operates as best it can to conspire to hurt people in many ways. This makes it the ideal receptacle for even the most outlandish theories. We are all challenged to learn in an uncertain and often devious world to realistically sort out the real threats from those only imagined. To evade this responsibility is to be set adrift in a sea of uncertainty, and lose one’s bearings completely…

Thanks for extending these comments on CT’s Mike. People’s misunderstandings are a tremendously important part of the mess we are all in. The whole purpose of a blog like yours is to try to get some sane thinking out there in the midst of widespread cultural confusions and delusions. The popularity of the book series on the Rapture, and the number of people who think the theory of evolution is invalid are only two examples of our culture of make believe….

I think there are compelling reasons that people subscribe to conspiracy theories – a profound impulse is that it allows them place blame on some “other” for, say, a dying biosphere rather than themselves…which I believe underlies the ridiculous chemtrail conspiracy, which has the most incredibly devoted adherents. But that doesn’t mean all CT’s are untrue. Kristallnacht for example reminds us to ask, cui bono?

(XrayMike – I forwarded your comment to Guy – if he wants to weigh in, I’m sure he will.)

And then there are the Strong Suggestions of Thermodynamics [using line-through print] Laws of Thermodynamics. The official story of 9/11 violates the Laws of Thermodynamics, yet few people I know are willing to question the official narrative. After all, doing so would adhere to Franklin’s maxim, a notion foreign to the typical modern ‘murican. The Orwellian absurdity continues with the disparaging term applied to those who question the impossible official narrative: “truther.”

“As a species, we’ve gained an impressive degree of influence over our environment by deliberately simplifying ecosystems so they will support more humans, but fewer other species. Our principal strategy in this project has been agriculture – primarily a form of agriculture that focuses on a few annual grain crops. We’ve commandeered up to 50 percent of the primary biological productivity of our planet, mostly through farming and forestry. Doing this has had overwhelmingly negative impacts on non-domesticated plants and animals. The subsequent loss of biodiversity is increasingly compromising humanity’s prospects, because we depend upon countless ecosystem services (such as pollination and oxygen regeneration) – services we do not organize or control, and for which we do not pay.

The essence of our problem is this: the side effects of our growth binge are compounding rapidly and threaten a crisis in which the artificial support systems we’ve built over past decades (food, transport, and financial systems, among others) – as well as nature’s wild systems, on which we still also depend – could all crash more or less simultaneously.”

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