You know, it's kinda' cool to see the photos of these wrecks, but on the other hand, it's a tomb. It's not like what happened to these ships was a mystery. We always knew why they went down and that they were out there somewhere. Maybe we should just leave them alone.

UtileDysfunktion:You know, it's kinda' cool to see the photos of these wrecks, but on the other hand, it's a tomb. It's not like what happened to these ships was a mystery. We always knew why they went down and that they were out there somewhere. Maybe we should just leave them alone.

The mystery isn't that they died, it's how they died...a big question their survivors would have...though there aren't (m)any, 100 years later, and the possible causes of this sinking are probably well-known in nautical circles. Still, history will be more complete as the actual cause is known.

I've only seen one of the great lakes from gound level. Ontario. I drove along the coast on my way into Toronto. It is absolutely enormous! If I didn't know better I would have thought I was looking at the ocean.

I've seen all the others from the air. And Superior certainly lives up to it's name. Michigan is really cool too. Flew around it a few times at like 5000ft wiating to land in O'Hare.

The late comedian Richard Jeni had a great bit about Lightfoot's song. Can't find a video clip on line. This is from memory, but I'm sure it is almost verbatim:

"This is a great record to throw on the turntable if you're throwing a party and the guests aren't getting the hint it's time to leave. Give 'em about five minutes of this downer and they'll be ready to go home - and kill themselves."

"You sure you can't stay?"

"No, by the time we get home, poison the kids and set the house on fire..."

(Singing)

"And they all drowned like rats,and their wives had no insurance,And their kids turned todrugs and prostitution!Nah-Naaaaah-Nah-Nah-Naah,Nah-Nah-Naaaah-Nah-Nah-Nah..."

Mobius strip of human stupidity:Fear_and_Loathing: Mobius strip of human stupidity: About the tomb issue. It's fairly common to see human remains. Just leave them alone. They don't mind visitors.

The book Shadow Divers covers this pretty well. The Uboat they found was a few miles from where I live.

It's a great book. I have been inside that sub.

I met the authors in 2006 when they did a book tour that stopped in Fort Lauderdale. Very nice, intelligent guys. They said a movie deal was in the works with Ridley Scott set to direct, but I guess it stalled somewhere.

It's a like which seems to denote placid calm waters, but its more like a mini-ocean. I've sailed on Superior. It's an enormous body of water.

And on lake Michigan, I took the "Lake Express", a ferry from Milwaukee to Muskegon, Michigan and even though it was May and its a large car carrying high speed ferry, it was a total barf cruise. The waves were tossing it around like a bath toy or small sail boat.

Lots of folks couldn't even make it to the bathroom to vomit as it was damn near impossible to walk. It was disgusting.

Galileo's Daughter:Mobius strip of human stupidity: Fear_and_Loathing: Mobius strip of human stupidity: About the tomb issue. It's fairly common to see human remains. Just leave them alone. They don't mind visitors.

The book Shadow Divers covers this pretty well. The Uboat they found was a few miles from where I live.

It's a great book. I have been inside that sub.

I met the authors in 2006 when they did a book tour that stopped in Fort Lauderdale. Very nice, intelligent guys. They said a movie deal was in the works with Ridley Scott set to direct, but I guess it stalled somewhere.

The movie will get made eventually I imagine. But they will have to hurry if they want to shoot the dives on the actual locations. A bunch of those wrecks are very different than they were in the 90's.

SirEattonHogg:It's a like which seems to denote placid calm waters, but its more like a mini-ocean. I've sailed on Superior. It's an enormous body of water.

And on lake Michigan, I took the "Lake Express", a ferry from Milwaukee to Muskegon, Michigan and even though it was May and its a large car carrying high speed ferry, it was a total barf cruise. The waves were tossing it around like a bath toy or small sail boat.

Lots of folks couldn't even make it to the bathroom to vomit as it was damn near impossible to walk. It was disgusting.