Ex-teen mom heads filibuster versus abortion limit

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HAH!!! There are myriad examples of women using it as just that, 5, 8, even
a dozen times.

Blue: "Will the Texas legislature follow-up with
laws to provide better access to birth control and better sex education to its
citizens so that all pregnancies are wanted pregnancies? Will they ensure
that all babies in Texas have access to well-baby medical checkups and proper
nutrition even if the baby's parents are poor?"

Well, they
need to do a better job at #1, but all children in Texas are covered under their
CHIPS program, so yes on #2, all poor families can get well baby care for free
in Texas.

Elizabeth GVancouver, WA

June 28, 2013 12:11 p.m.

@ Brave Sir Robin

What I don't understand about Pro-Life
individuals is why it's okay to bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion
doctors.

Or have bumper stickers that are pro-bush (takes us into 2
wars) and pro-life. I'm confused. Are only the lives of babies important or
all lives?

I am pro-sex education, pro-birth control availability,
pro-adoption education and support, pro-pregnancy support, pro-father support,
pro-parent support and keeping abortion legal because when its legal we know
exactly how many are preformed and the safe or non-safe ways its being
performed. If we know how many and where we can double efforts to help those who
need the help before they choose abortion. If you make it illegal you lose all
access to information to help them before they make that choice.

Nan BWELder, CO

June 27, 2013 7:33 p.m.

I have a son who is a father and grandfather because I chose to be a bit
inconvenienced for a few months. A couple, formerly childless, raised him, and
spent a lot of energy doing so. However, despite all the challenges he presented
for them, they were glad they had the opportunity to do so. I'm glad I
became acquainted with him after he became a grandfather. I'm glad he had a
chance at life, which he has lived to the fullest. He lives in a state where
main roads and back roads have neat signs promoting life. I am glad!

Bob Kporland, OR

June 27, 2013 7:22 p.m.

To those who use the term "pro abortion" --- MOST Americans do not take
abortion lightly and do not consider it a generally good thing."Pro
abortion RIGHTS" is a fair label. Most of us think that women should have
the choice, but that casual abortions are not morally good.

BlueSalt Lake City, UT

June 27, 2013 2:30 p.m.

Will the Texas legislature follow-up with laws to provide better access to birth
control and better sex education to its citizens so that all pregnancies are
wanted pregnancies?

Will they ensure that all babies in Texas have
access to well-baby medical checkups and proper nutrition even if the
baby's parents are poor?

Didn't think so.

Bob A. BoheyMarlborough, MA

June 27, 2013 6:59 a.m.

Sen. Wendy Davis is another hero in the war to end religious oppression in this
great and secular democratic republic!

JoggleSomewhere In, HI

June 27, 2013 12:34 a.m.

Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot
exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical
cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a
separate entity as it cannot exist outside her womb. The concept of personhood
is different from the concept of human life. Human life occurs at conception,
but fertilized eggs used for in vitro fertilization are also human lives and
those not implanted are routinely thrown away. Is this murder, and if not, then
how is abortion murder? The ability of a woman to have control of her body is
critical to civil rights. Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a
slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy,
what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization?
Abortion is not used as a form of contraception. Pregnancy can occur even with
responsible contraceptive use. Only 8% of women who have abortions do not use
any form of birth control. If your body is none of my business--then my body is
not your business either.

Uncle RicoProvo, UT

June 26, 2013 5:25 p.m.

Abortion is murder and satanic

Happy Valley HereticOrem, UT

June 26, 2013 4:51 p.m.

Exactly what "limits" were they proposing in Texas anyway?

Closing 90% of the clinics because of a clever portion of this horrible
bill.

To the LDS faithful: Can you be sealed to a unborn child?If not than someone doesn't believe it's a child either.

Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CA

June 26, 2013 4:46 p.m.

@ParkCityAggie

So are you in favor of legalized abortion or against
it? If you're in favor, then you're pro-abortion. Call it whatever
soft, fluffy name you want, but at the end of the day you're
pro-abortion.

And if abortion is such a good thing, then why are you
ashamed of being called pro-abortion?

FT1/SSVirginia Beach, VA

June 26, 2013 4:38 p.m.

I'am always amazed how passionate pro-abortionist are in support of 40
million plus babies murdered the past 40 years. Pure selfishness before, during
the pregnancy, and the choice they made.

ParkCityAggiePark City, Ut

June 26, 2013 3:58 p.m.

@ Brave Sir Robin - No one is "pro-abortion" otherwise those who are for
corporal punishment are "pro-death" I think most people in this country,
at least according to the latest polling on the issue, are pro-reason,
pro-Woman's right to make tough decisions for what personal reason she
might need/choose.

Kate HutchKenmore, WA

June 26, 2013 3:47 p.m.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. A stitch in time saves nine.
A prevented pregnancy won't be aborted. How do we prevent unplanned
pregnancy? Through an enlightened education program where children are taught
science. REAL science about their bodies and other tangible topics. If you are
against abortion, surely you should be FOR comprehensive sex education.

Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CA

June 26, 2013 3:11 p.m.

Every pro-abortionist in the world today is here because of his/her mother
choosing life.

The irony of this never ceases to amaze me.

ParkCityAggiePark City, Ut

June 26, 2013 3:05 p.m.

1st of all, and once and for all, a fetus is not an "unborn child"
anymore than male seed and a woman's egg separately are half a human being,
otherwise every man and woman is guilty of committing genocide monthly, weekly,
daily, especially the males. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but
not your own set of scientific facts, ok? And rather than get into this debate
I offer this observation, why not allow Women and Women only decide this issue?
After all it is their bodies we are talking about, that and a private doctors
visit that is no one else's business but the Woman's. So how about?
Most lawmakers in most states are male, yet they are the ones's making
these decisions on behalf of Women. I call shenanigans. That or a Majority of
Women should be able to make laws regarding the health of Men... perhaps we
outlaw Viagra, 2 week waiting period for vasectomies? Best idea, keep the
government out of a private doctors visit; focus on your family, mind your own
business!

RDJntx.Who said ANYTHING
about repealing Roe V Wade? This is the TEXAS legislature... not the
United States Supreme Court.Only the Supreme Court could repeal Roe V
Wade!

Exactly what "limits" were they proposing in Texas
anyway? Does ANYBODY know? Does it matter that you don't even know? Is
ANY limit on Abortion unacceptable to you people? Seems like the article
should at least MENTION what limits she was fighting.

RDJntxAustin, TX

June 26, 2013 1:30 p.m.

As a Texan, and a Member of the LDS Church altho I dont attend currently, I can
only say I am appaled at the hate coming out of the Texas Legislature and some
of the comments here. Personally I am against abortion, but I am pro-choice, a
woman's decision to have one should be between her, her doctor, and
whatever God she prays to and hopefull the father. Roe v. Wade was not about
abortion, altho a wish for an abortion is what percipitated it. It is about a
woman's right to control her own body by her own decision. The Texas bill
would have set women back 150 years much like the repeal of Roe v. Wade would.
The church has never been about forcing it's teaching and beliefs on
someone that chooses not to hear them, why should this be any different. some
of you need to get a clue

R2D2springville, UT

June 26, 2013 1:05 p.m.

@ Midwest Mom. Do you realize what you said? The mother has the right to choose
life or death for her children?!? Absolutely not. Parents cannot choose to kill
their born children, and it is the same for the unborn children. I absolutely
believe women should be empowered, and it disgusts me that abortion has been
made out to be a women's rights issue. This isn't about women's
rights---it's about killing unborn children. Women should have every right
entitled to them ... but it stops at the life of another human being.

Midwest MomSoldiers Grove, WI

June 26, 2013 1:02 p.m.

Pardon me, Tators, but where do you get your "vast majority" of
information about the reasons for abortions?

You seem so assured
that right-to-life legislation would never "want" any woman to die, but
you don't explain specific protections against that outcome. I have given
a specific example of a woman whose life was taken because of strict abortion
laws. Can you give me a single example of a woman who was granted an abortion
to preserve her health or life, when strict law otherwise prevented? Many new
anti-abortion rights laws seek to also limit certain forms of reliable birth
control. For some women, becoming pregnant can be a health hazard. Would you
require them to become sterilized, instead? How far do you want to scrutinize
and supervise the intimate lives of married couples?

And what about
rape victims? Would your "inalienable right of all babies" extend to
preventing morning after pill access for victims of rape, especially young
girls? Do you propose funding for medical care for all pregnancies resulting
from rape or must these victims of crime also be required to pay for their
health care to promote your easy conscience?

TatorsHyrum, UT

June 26, 2013 12:06 p.m.

@ Midwest Mom:

First of all, regarding the vast majority of
abortions, the mothers life is seldom ever in danger. In fact, more would-be
moms probably die from botched abortion attempts than from the type of health
examples you mentioned. Yes, you can find unusual and obscure exceptions from
other countries to try to make your case (as you did), but doing so doesn't
carry much pragmatic argumentative weight.

The would-be mom is very
seldom ever faced with having to choose life or not for herself, but rather is
always faced with choosing life or death for her baby. Realistically, it almost
always comes down between choosing the convenience of her lifestyle versus the
chance of life for her baby. Common sense should make that a no-brainer.
Choosing abortion is usually the ultimate selfishness.

Secondly,
almost all abortion bills in the USA make exception for the small percentage of
times when a woman's health is actually at risk. Therefore your argument
with that is moot. Right to Life advocates don't want any woman to die.
None. They simply want the inalienable right of all babies to live. That
isn't unreasonable.

atl134Salt Lake City, UT

June 26, 2013 11:31 a.m.

The nation with the lowest abortion rates in the world is not one where
it's illegal but rather it's Belgium which chooses to focus on
preventing unplanned pregnancies through comprehensive sex education and
universal access to birth control as part of gov't healthcare. So really,
no President has taken as strong a stand to reduce abortions as President Obama
and his healthcare bill. Funny how things work...

Midwest MomSoldiers Grove, WI

June 26, 2013 10:44 a.m.

Excuse me. "Killing kids?" Abortion rights run the gamut of
"morning after pill" to saving the life of the mother, with all sorts of
ugly issues in between. The point is that it is a woman's body and her
right to choose life for herself, as well as her children. "Choosing
life" implies that there is an option. What do these anti-abortion
supporters have to say to the man whose wife was not allowed to be induced in
Ireland, because her baby was dead inside her? That mother died from sepsis
because of Ireland's strict abortion laws. My own daughter was suspected
of having an hydatiform pregnancy. All turned out well, but if it had been as
her doctors had feared, then without access to legal and safe termination of her
pregnancy, her non-child tissue mass could have turned malignant and ended her
life. Before you speak against the right to a medical procedure, make sure you
have all the facts and that your vote to save doesn't end up being a vote
that kills other innocent life.

cjbBountiful, UT

June 26, 2013 10:40 a.m.

This lady is wrong. As a nation we have little right to criticize Nazi Germany.
What we are doing now with abortion and what we did with slavery is just as bad.

DN Subscriber 2SLC, UT

June 26, 2013 10:36 a.m.

Ask yourselves- would the news reporting be just as fawning and positive had
this been a conservative activist thwarting passage of a bill that facilitated
abortion?

Media bias is real.

Cool Cat CosmoPayson, UT

June 26, 2013 10:16 a.m.

Amen, Danish.

What about the rights of the unborn?

HutteriteAmerican Fork, UT

June 26, 2013 9:28 a.m.

Texas is just one of the places that tries so hard to disempower women.

Danish AmericanPayson, UT

June 26, 2013 8:29 a.m.

Yes, she should be so proud to be leading the charge to kill kids. As for the
death penalty Mr. Heretic, those people had a choice. Unborn children
don't. You are one of the ones who continually advocate for someone's
so called rights but the most defenseless you are all right with killing.
It's not being a heretic, it's being a hypocrite.

Happy Valley HereticOrem, UT

June 26, 2013 8:12 a.m.

"prideful, selfish, and irresponsible" perfectly describe the texas
legislature and their callus disregard for those living.and how cowardice
to stop her with a trumped up technicality in order to bully her.

...in other news Texas far and away ahead for state sanctioned murder in their
penal system.

mattmoGallatin, MO

June 26, 2013 7:50 a.m.

"I'm rising on the floor today to humbly give voice to thousands of
Texans who are being ignored. These voices have been silenced by a governor who
made blind partisanship and personal political ambition the priority of our
state.” Does she really hear what she is saying? How can one be so humble
as to snuff out the life of any unborn child. Can they speak for themselves. Did
she want to abort her own child? Why would anyone do that? Past feeling I guess,
prideful, selfish, and irresponsible I would not say humble, really?