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Why would anyone ever have a GOAT discussion that wasn't P4P? Just wondering where that's the norm, I've never heard it around here

Well P4P is a bit meaningless in the real world, because true/real dominance and the highest rank belongs to the best heavyweight, simply because they can beat any lighter weight P4P champ like you could beat up a little child. (Slight exaggeration and not always true but mostly true)