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“While Washington and Moscow have significant policy differences on how best to bring the bloodshed in Syria to a close, I have had several conversations with one of my Russian counterparts over the past several weeks about ways to strengthen U.S.-Russian counterterrorism cooperation, specifically on the ISIL threat.

“These relationships are an essential adjunct to diplomacy and military operations

“So we’ve been exchanging information. I think it needs to be enhanced. But I am determined to continue to work with my Russian counterparts because of the importance that I think we each can bring to this issue in terms of our insights, our information, our data, and sharing it.

“We worked very closely with the Russians in the Sochi Olympics, and I think they very greatly valued the support we provided, the information we provided.”

See that part in red?
US was providing intel to Russia.
In my previous link you saw that US wanted to “enhance” that information exchange.
In my next link you will see some enhancement did happen as part of a cease-fire:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/worl ... .html?_r=0
June 18, 2016
Senior American and Russian defense officials held what the Pentagon described as an “extraordinary” videoconference on Saturday to discuss Russian airstrikes that days earlier hit a garrison manned by Syrian rebels backed by the United States.

The Russian strikes hit Syrian opposition fighters on Thursday at the al-Tanf crossing, which lies on Syria’s border with Iraq. The rebels there are supposed to be covered by a partial cease-fire that the United States and Russia brokered in February.

American officials told the Russians that their strikes had continued even after they were officially informed of allied air support underway for the rebels

More than 50 State Department diplomats recently signed an internal memo sharply critical of the Obama administration’s policy in Syria.

The location of this garrison was disclosed to the Russians by Obama & Co.
(see the part in red)
This incident made US military-on-the-ground regret the US sharing of information with Russia.
But apparently not the Obama administration, because just 12 days later:

(this is my original link, just showing where it chronologically falls into the story)
The Obama admin still wanted to “enhance” their info-sharing, remarkably this continued:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 65843f5c57
July 13, 2016
The Obama administration’s new proposal to Russia on Syria is more extensive than previously known. It would open the way for deep cooperation between U.S. and Russian military and intelligence agencies and coordinated air attacks by American and Russian planes

Secretary of State John F. Kerry plans to discuss the plan with top Russian officials in a visit to Moscow on Thursday.

The United States is suggesting a new military command-and-control headquarters to coordinate the air campaign that would house U.S. and Russian military officers, intelligence officials and subject-matter experts.

The very same day:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... s-in-syria
July 13, 2016
The Obama administration has increasingly warmed to a Russian proposal that allows U.S. forces to coordinate with the Kremlin in the ongoing war against ISIS in Syria. But the White House is facing major resistance to the idea from the U.S. military and those in the intelligence community who are working with local Syrian opposition forces—the very government officials who would carry out such a plan.

Moscow says it needs to know where the American-backed rebels are so its forces don’t hit them by accident. Opponents to such coordination sense a Russian trap.

They fear that once Russia, with U.S. help, pushes back the al Qaeda affiliate, they will renege on promises to spare the U.S.-backed moderate Syrian opposition, thereby “eliminating the two greatest threats to the Assad regime,” the U.S. official explained.

So yeah, the Pentagon did not trust Russia now (but the golfer remained oblivious).
Silly Obama, Russia has been allied with Assad (who is at war with the rebels) from the get-go.
The Al-Tanf incident made the Pentagon even more leery though, and then there was this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKCN11S1PC
Sept 22, 2016
The top U.S. general told Congress on Thursday it is unwise to share intelligence with Russia
The United States and Russia clinched a ceasefire deal earlier this month that held out the possibility of joint targeting of militants after a cessation of hostilities and delivery of humanitarian aid.
The ceasefire quickly collapsed, making the possibility of future cooperation between the former Cold War foes look remote.
U.S. intelligence officials also have voiced concerns about sharing precise information on the positions of U.S.-backed rebel forces, given that Russia has targeted them in the past.

Not sure if Oblahblah ever clued in though.
See, long before the timeline above, Barack Red Line Obama
… was known around the world as Putin’s Poodle, aka Putin’s Bitch:

(that link is a must-read)
Anyway… the point… the MSM cut Poodle a lot of slack on sharing with Russia.
Orangeman gets none of dat dere, just the opposite in fact.
And that’s all based on unsubstantiated rumours!
“IMPEACH HIM” they scream, but were fine with Obama’s proven actions/inactions…

Doc sees no difference in US and Russian militaries and intelligence agencies sharing information (which is normal), and the President going off script, just throwing things out there without any consultation with those that actually know what they're doing and which sources might be at risk. It's one thing to know the risks, and weigh those considerations. Trump's release of this information is simply negligent.

US and Russian militaries have been de-conflicting airspace over Syria for a while now (involves information sharing).

Nothing in your reporting indicates the release of any information by the Obama administration wasn't planned.

As far as ground operations go, you don't think the Russians know where rebel forces are located? They have surveillance and boots on the ground as well.

Gotta love it, Trump fucks up, and instead of saying "Yeah, he fucked up..." it's the classic diversion to "but but but Hillary!!! But but but Obama!!!"

Island Nucklehead wrote:Doc sees no difference in US and Russian militaries and intelligence agencies sharing information (which is normal), and the President going off script, just throwing things out there without any consultation with those that actually know what they're doing and which sources might be at risk. It's one thing to know the risks, and weigh those considerations. Trump's release of this information is simply negligent.

US and Russian militaries have been de-conflicting airspace over Syria for a while now (involves information sharing).

Nothing in your reporting indicates the release of any information by the Obama administration wasn't planned.

As far as ground operations go, you don't think the Russians know where rebel forces are located? They have surveillance and boots on the ground as well.

Gotta love it, Trump fucks up, and instead of saying "Yeah, he fucked up..." it's the classic diversion to "but but but Hillary!!! But but but Obama!!!"

'New damaging evidence against U.S. President Donald Trump has surfaced as the Russia probe escalates through the White House..'

Former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired by U.S. President Donald Trump last week amid an agency probe into alleged Russian meddling in the U.S. election, has agreed to testify before the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee at a public hearing, the committee said in a statement on Friday.

The hearing will be scheduled after the May 29 Memorial Day holiday, the statement said.

The news comes after Trump was hit by embarrassing leaks suggesting that a senior adviser was a “person of interest” in a probe of possible collusion with Russia during last year’s election campaign, and that Trump had boasted to Russian officials of firing the man heading the investigation.

The reports, emerging just as Trump jetted off to Saudi Arabia on his first foreign trip as president, were likely to extend the turmoil engulfing his administration since the May 9 firing of Comey.

Island Nucklehead wrote:
and the President going off script, just throwing things out there without any consultation with those that actually know what they're doing and which sources might be at risk. It's one thing to know the risks, and weigh those considerations. Trump's release of this information is simply negligent.

What information?

Oh right, you have no idea what President Trump said!

But whatever it was, surely President Trump is negligent and should be impeached.

Island Nucklehead wrote:
As far as ground operations go, you don't think the Russians know where rebel forces are located? They have surveillance and boots on the ground as well.

It should be very obvious by this point in the conversation

... that the Russians do not know where all the rebel forces are located!

From my post:

July 13, 2016The Obama administration has increasingly warmed to a Russian proposal that allows U.S. forces to coordinate with the Kremlin in the ongoing war against ISIS in Syria. But the White House is facing major resistance to the idea from the U.S. military and those in the intelligence community who are working with local Syrian opposition forces—the very government officials who would carry out such a plan.

Moscow says it needs to know where the American-backed rebels are so its forces don’t hit them by accident. Opponents to such coordination sense a Russian trap

And.

Sept 22, 2016The top U.S. general told Congress on Thursday it is unwise to share intelligence with Russia

U.S. intelligence officials also have voiced concerns about sharing precise information on the positions of U.S.-backed rebel forces, given that Russia has targeted them in the past

Are you stupid Forest?

What is the point is "debating" with someone such as yourself... can you read?

Obama wanted to give the Russians more of exactly this kind of intel, but the Pentagon stopped him.

Again with the diversion. So Obama was straightened out by the Military. Good, advice heeded! (Also, why can't you stop talking about Obama? You're starting to sound like Dude re:Gillis.)

This is about president Trump leaking protected intel directly to Russian intelligence. This is NOT the same as sharing battlefield information meant to avoid direct engagements between Russian and US forces. Certainly not the same as thinking about doing something.

I also find it funny that you're crying about the MSM being unfair towards Trump, yet using MSM sources to attack Obama. Seems to me it was reported, and is just not as big of a story... Also, you assume "enhanced information sharing" meant leaking classified intelligence without any process. Enough with the false equivalences. If Obama was stupid to offer any information to the Russians, what does that make Trump for giving it to them without any vetting, planning, or consideration for sources?

Island Nucklehead wrote:
Again with the diversion. So Obama was straightened out by the Military. Good, advice heeded! (Also, why can't you stop talking about Obama? You're starting to sound like Dude re:Gillis.)

Again: Not a diversion, but an opportunity to point out the leftist media bias.

What better way to do that than compare the treatment of the 2 most recent Presidents?

It took Obama a ridiculously long time to finally heed the Pentagon's advice (as my research proves)

... and yet this was all pretty much a non-story to the MSM.

This despite the fact rebel lives were lost (al-Tanf)

... due to the enhanced intel Obama gave Russia as part of the failed ceasefire.

We both know that if Trump carried on in similar fashion the MSM would be screaming bloody murder.

So until... if ever... we know what Trump said, this conversation is automatically about media propaganda.

Island Nucklehead wrote:
This is about president Trump leaking protected intel directly to Russian intelligence.

What intel?

If we don't know, what is the point in discussing it?

Oh yes, because the MSM is again screaming about... something.

This conversation therefore must be all about the MSM.

(otherwise it's a conversation about nothing and this isn't Seinfeld)

Island Nucklehead wrote:
I also find it funny that you're crying about the MSM being unfair towards Trump, yet using MSM sources to attack Obama. Seems to me it was reported, and is just not as big of a story...

It is hard to find MSM sources whispering about Obama's proven blunders in regards to Russia+Syria.

It is easy to find MSM sources SCREAMING about rumours in regards to a Trump conversation with Russia.

The Telegraph wrote:Mr Trump discussed the classified information about an Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant plot to hide bombs in laptop computers on planes at an Oval Office meeting on May 10 with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.