Your making it too easy for him by giving up so much ground he will be hitting the Dnepr almost at full strength (almost like a quiet drive in the country side). If you haven't sent the VVS scuttling into reserve change all your I53's I16's and the other obsolete fighter bombers to Bomber mode & use them to attack his Panzers you won't inflict very much damage but it will cause some disruption. Manstein63

Seeing how THEPROS played against (and made me nearly impotent), 1) I don't see the same large total number of units on the map as I faced against THEPROS (which is particularly puzzling in AGN since it appears he routed a good number of units outside pockets of isolation), 2) even though you say that you are not going to defend the Smolensk landbridge you have a huge number of units there that need to be north or south, and 3) Manstein IMO is wrong about AGS. ThePROS kept a tight gaggle of units 3-4 hexes in front of my infantry. The infantry were never in position to make effective hasty attacks and the Pz could do little against a packed front cordon

ThePROS kept a tight gaggle of units 3-4 hexes in front of my infantry. The infantry were never in position to make effective hasty attacks and the Pz could do little against a packed front cordon

If you look at AGS you can see that there is nothing between Michael's Panzers & the River Dnepr apart from FZ's & a stray unit. so all he has to do is head east at 50 MP's per turn & he will be across the river by Turn 3 or 4 he can also spend AP's to motorize his slower infantry units the turn after his tanks have taken the ground & they can follow on at speed as there are no enemy units to impede them. Just to be clear I am not criticizing Kamil's choices (he is playing the game not me) I am just saying that I would be more inclined not to give up as much territory without more of a struggle. Manstein63

I thought the cost of moving infantry with trucks is so ridiculously expensive that it's never on option ???? Also if you move them up, Kamil moves 4 hexes east and deliberate attacks are still a no go. And even if the infantry eventually is able to make deliberate attacks on the 14-17 th turns in front of Voronezh and Rostov, they are out of supply and paper tigers. Am I wrong ???

I thought the cost of moving infantry with trucks is so ridiculously expensive that it's never on option ????

I don't think that is what he means. The infantry will be moving at full speed in the wake of the panzers already converted territory, whilst the panzers will pay no additional MP related to ZOC or hasty/deliberate attacks because the ground has largely been ceded without a fight.

We haven't seen what Kamil is planning on the Luga. The key will be which way MT goes from Pskov (due East, or Northeast?)

If you look at AGS you can see that there is nothing between Michael's Panzers & the River Dnepr apart from FZ's & a stray unit. so all he has to do is head east at 50 MP's per turn & he will be across the river by Turn 3 or 4 he can also spend AP's to motorize his slower infantry units the turn after his tanks have taken the ground & they can follow on at speed as there are no enemy units to impede them. Just to be clear I am not criticizing Kamil's choices (he is playing the game not me) I am just saying that I would be more inclined not to give up as much territory without more of a struggle.

I don't have enough troops to be able to spare enough units for sensible check-boarding in the south. I still could have risked doing it, but it would have jeopardised my efforts in the centre and north. Moreover defences would not have enough depth to make it possible to front line to fall back to trench lines built by units positioned farther to the west.

You can lose 80 armament points and will see no effect after late 42, both manpower pools and armaments will grow.

Its pointless to defence south, MT only lightly checker boards the south and give up a few arm pts. It so easly to pocket units in the south, even when its defended GHC can cross river by turn 5 easly.

Your simply throwing a way units in south in 41 and 42.

MT almost always thrusts north of the landbridge, then disides where to go. The fastest railheads are just behind his northern landbridge thrust is why he always does it.

The most exploitable hexes are on that line and easyist to convert.

Once he has the ground north of landbridge hes in control IF you do not defend as Flaviusx has pointed out a 100 or so times. Checked board unit 5 to 7 hexes east of Smolensk.

FZ's near Moscow help allot as hexes will be a carpet of 3 lvl forts.

Also with the fixing of ammo bug, GHC national morale bug and the squad converting / arm pt sink, balloning manpower pool/ crashing OOB its going to be allot harder to break GHC lines.

The seeming uber SHC stream roller we have all seen crack GHC lines in early 44 will have to do all the work with out the help of bugs.

So the old running for the hills tactic's employed by everyone playing SHC including myself is going to see a very different out come.

As Flaviusx pointed out a while back GHC choke point should be manpower and not armaments. That is what should be happening once the fix for the 43 bug is in. Before the choke point was arm pts becuase of several bugs.

So now tring to crash GHC OOB by depleting GHC arm pts will be much much harder.

The standard ballooning of GHC manpower pool will be very hard to acheive with out the help of bugs.

Transport trap - Set up airbases within range of his deep Panzers and give them a decent air leader. Load them with cheap fighters and set your air intercept to 200+ and watch his fuel lorries drop from the air like leaves in fall.

I suppose Michael may be dropping fuel to his mobile divisions; finding and bombing the German transport planes may be disruptive?

I am in the process of reorganising my air forces, so in turn or two I will be hopefully able to inflict some casualties.

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Transport trap - Set up airbases within range of his deep Panzers and give them a decent air leader. Load them with cheap fighters and set your air intercept to 200+ and watch his fuel lorries drop from the air like leaves in fall.

I managed to establish defences strong enough to feel secure until arrival of German infantry. But everything has its price and I think, that soon I might get punished in the south for overcommitment in centre.