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The bible states God wants, and has always wanted, mercy not sacrifice. Jesus came to the Jews, as an messenger of enLIGHTenment, to break the sacrificial yoke of Judaism.

He died because humans killed him for preaching a different way of pleasing god. Everyone thought that to please god you had to have an expensive and impressive gift to give...the only way to reach god, though, was to burn the item so the smoke would ascend to heaven.

They thought god demanded sacrifice for sin. Jesus told them he demands you love your neighbor as yourself which is "of god." this didn't go over very well....

The Jews especially rejected this idea! Yet the Gentiles embraced it! That made the Jewish leaders even more furious...

Christians, after the fact, interpreted that act of death as a sacrifice for sin but in reality, christ never offered himself as a sacrifice to god (which if he were god would be a moot act anyway). Instead he told the truth and they didn't like it. It took the synagogues power away from the leaders and gave it to the individual.

In the end it didn't matter whether they killed him or not, the temple was destroyed and sacrifices stopped.

Jesus warned them and because they didn't believe him, they killed him.

Either way, they didn't stop God's will from being done.

And the moral of the story:

Be a good citizen of god and love your neighbor for the power of the Kingdom is within each of us.

God planted the seed... and all it takes is your love, given to others, to bloom.

**note: please excuse the lack of capitalization of "god" if that offends you, I'm using my iPad and too lazy to fix all of them.... besides, whatever name you replace "god" with, the moral remains the same.

The bible states God wants, and has always wanted, mercy not sacrifice. Jesus came to the Jews, as an messenger of enLIGHTenment, to break the sacrificial yoke of Judaism.

He died because humans killed him for preaching a different way of pleasing god. Everyone thought that to please god you had to have an expensive and impressive gift to give...the only way to reach god, though, was to burn the item so the smoke would ascend to heaven.

They thought god demanded sacrifice for sin. Jesus told them he demands you love your neighbor as yourself which is "of god." this didn't go over very well....

The Jews especially rejected this idea! Yet the Gentiles embraced it! That made the Jewish leaders even more furious...

Christians, after the fact, interpreted that act of death as a sacrifice for sin but in reality, christ never offered himself as a sacrifice to god (which if he were god would be a moot act anyway). Instead he told the truth and they didn't like it. It took the synagogues power away from the leaders and gave it to the individual.

In the end it didn't matter whether they killed him or not, the temple was destroyed and sacrifices stopped.

Jesus warned them and because they didn't believe him, they killed him.

Either way, they didn't stop God's will from being done.

And the moral of the story:

Be a good citizen of god and love your neighbor for the power of the Kingdom is within each of us.

God planted the seed... and all it takes is your love, given to others, to bloom.

**note: please excuse the lack of capitalization of "god" if that offends you, I'm using my iPad and too lazy to fix all of them.... besides, whatever name you replace "god" with, the moral remains the same.

You distort the gospel. You distort and deny the truth. Jesus Christ came into the world for the purpose of going to the cross where He would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Jesus Christ died a subsitutionary death on the cross.

Hebrews 2:9 tells us that Christ tasted death for everyone.

Hebrews chapter 10 addresses the fact that the one sacrifice of Christ is sufficient to propitiate or satisfy the Father. I won't post the entire chapter, but v 10 states, 'By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all....12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,'

That alone puts the lie to your claim that Jesus didn't offer Himself as a sacrifice. The entire animal sacrificial system of Israel in the Old Testament was a picture of the perfect sacrifice which the Messiah would one day make.

Immediately after Adam sinned, God promised that the Messiah would come into the world (Gen 3:15).

Jesus one more than one occasion foretold of His death. Matthew 16:21-23. Jesus stated that His death on the cross was God's interest.

Matthew 20:17-19 was another occasion where Jesus foretold of His death.

Phil 2:5-8 tell us that Jesus Christ who is God, became a man and became obedient to the point of death on a cross.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh have the spirit of antichrist - 1 John 4:3.

The bible states God wants, and has always wanted, mercy not sacrifice. Jesus came to the Jews, as an messenger of enLIGHTenment, to break the sacrificial yoke of Judaism.

He died because humans killed him for preaching a different way of pleasing god. Everyone thought that to please god you had to have an expensive and impressive gift to give...the only way to reach god, though, was to burn the item so the smoke would ascend to heaven.

They thought god demanded sacrifice for sin. Jesus told them he demands you love your neighbor as yourself which is "of god." this didn't go over very well....

The Jews especially rejected this idea! Yet the Gentiles embraced it! That made the Jewish leaders even more furious...

Christians, after the fact, interpreted that act of death as a sacrifice for sin but in reality, christ never offered himself as a sacrifice to god (which if he were god would be a moot act anyway). Instead he told the truth and they didn't like it. It took the synagogues power away from the leaders and gave it to the individual.

In the end it didn't matter whether they killed him or not, the temple was destroyed and sacrifices stopped.

Jesus warned them and because they didn't believe him, they killed him.

Either way, they didn't stop God's will from being done.

And the moral of the story:

Be a good citizen of god and love your neighbor for the power of the Kingdom is within each of us.

God planted the seed... and all it takes is your love, given to others, to bloom.

**note: please excuse the lack of capitalization of "god" if that offends you, I'm using my iPad and too lazy to fix all of them.... besides, whatever name you replace "god" with, the moral remains the same.

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. Eph 5:1-2

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. Eph 5:1-2

Exactly... Christ gave them a new offering... Love one another.
A new sacrifice.... Mercy with love toward others. THAT is the sweet smelling sacrifice god desired all along. God is satisfied, even pleased with, the sacrifice of our own wants and instead giving to others. That is a worthy sacrifice unto god.

You distort the gospel. You distort and deny the truth. Jesus Christ came into the world for the purpose of going to the cross where He would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Jesus Christ died a subsitutionary death on the cross.

Hebrews 2:9 tells us that Christ tasted death for everyone.

Hebrews chapter 10 addresses the fact that the one sacrifice of Christ is sufficient to propitiate or satisfy the Father. I won't post the entire chapter, but v 10 states, 'By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all....12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,'

That alone puts the lie to your claim that Jesus didn't offer Himself as a sacrifice. The entire animal sacrificial system of Israel in the Old Testament was a picture of the perfect sacrifice which the Messiah would one day make.

Immediately after Adam sinned, God promised that the Messiah would come into the world (Gen 3:15).

Jesus one more than one occasion foretold of His death. Matthew 16:21-23. Jesus stated that His death on the cross was God's interest.

Matthew 20:17-19 was another occasion where Jesus foretold of His death.

Phil 2:5-8 tell us that Jesus Christ who is God, became a man and became obedient to the point of death on a cross.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh have the spirit of antichrist - 1 John 4:3.

Substitutionary? An animal sacrificed by bloodshed... substitutionarialy? maybe. But sacrificing a man in your place bloodshed causing the loss of his life? Won't fly. There is always a residual issue remaining. "When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin". If it were true that he was substituted in your place there cannot be the residual of guilt relative to sin as the remainder after the fact, but he says there is.

The bible states God wants, and has always wanted, mercy not sacrifice. Jesus came to the Jews, as an messenger of enLIGHTenment, to break the sacrificial yoke of Judaism.

He died because humans killed him for preaching a different way of pleasing god. Everyone thought that to please god you had to have an expensive and impressive gift to give...the only way to reach god, though, was to burn the item so the smoke would ascend to heaven.

They thought god demanded sacrifice for sin. Jesus told them he demands you love your neighbor as yourself which is "of god." this didn't go over very well....

The Jews especially rejected this idea! Yet the Gentiles embraced it! That made the Jewish leaders even more furious...

Christians, after the fact, interpreted that act of death as a sacrifice for sin but in reality, christ never offered himself as a sacrifice to god (which if he were god would be a moot act anyway). Instead he told the truth and they didn't like it. It took the synagogues power away from the leaders and gave it to the individual.

In the end it didn't matter whether they killed him or not, the temple was destroyed and sacrifices stopped.

Jesus warned them and because they didn't believe him, they killed him.

Either way, they didn't stop God's will from being done.

And the moral of the story:

Be a good citizen of god and love your neighbor for the power of the Kingdom is within each of us.

God planted the seed... and all it takes is your love, given to others, to bloom.

**note: please excuse the lack of capitalization of "god" if that offends you, I'm using my iPad and too lazy to fix all of them.... besides, whatever name you replace "god" with, the moral remains the same.

AMEN Kat...no "sacrifice" was necessary...but evil men, who were in fear of losing their power over the people as well as the money, made sure he couldn't spread his message of love anymore.

You distort the gospel. You distort and deny the truth. Jesus Christ came into the world for the purpose of going to the cross where He would die as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Jesus Christ died a subsitutionary death on the cross.

Hebrews 2:9 tells us that Christ tasted death for everyone.

Hebrews chapter 10 addresses the fact that the one sacrifice of Christ is sufficient to propitiate or satisfy the Father. I won't post the entire chapter, but v 10 states, 'By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all....12] but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,'

That alone puts the lie to your claim that Jesus didn't offer Himself as a sacrifice. The entire animal sacrificial system of Israel in the Old Testament was a picture of the perfect sacrifice which the Messiah would one day make.

Immediately after Adam sinned, God promised that the Messiah would come into the world (Gen 3:15).

Jesus one more than one occasion foretold of His death. Matthew 16:21-23. Jesus stated that His death on the cross was God's interest.

Matthew 20:17-19 was another occasion where Jesus foretold of His death.

Phil 2:5-8 tell us that Jesus Christ who is God, became a man and became obedient to the point of death on a cross.

Those who deny that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh have the spirit of antichrist - 1 John 4:3.

wow Mike. This is kinda creepy what were dealing with here hunh. Good post man. I'd also like to add Isaiah chapter 53 which of course gives graphic detail of the purpose of the Messiah.

Anyway, I think the Mask's are coming off now. As creepy as all this is, I think it's a good thing. The Holy Spirit is calling people to the Kingdom and they will hear His voice.

Hey Mike, guess what. Someone did just accept the truth, I'm sure of it. Someone who's been on the forum for quite some time. Just thought I'd share that with you. Keep that unspoken person in your prayers would you? It's a major victory!

Can you pick good fruit from a deceptive tree... I mean a bad tree? "You will know them by their fruit."

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