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Hell, the team could easily be 9-7, because we should've won week 1 vs. Pittsburgh, vs. the Raiders when we got assreamed by zebras, and vs. the Saints if we'd had a kicker. Plus, even though there were legitimate reasons Jabrill was playing in Ashtabula last season (i.e., literally the only person on the roster semi-qualified to play FS), now that he's back in the box at SS, he's been having a quietly excellent season until his debutante ball at Mile High this weekend.

I'm still keeping my heart under wraps for fear of a long con sucker punch due to the um.... last 25 years, but I'm thinking it's almost time to head back to Squires Castle for a sequel fantasy film

Yeah, that's a terrible take. I don't always agree with MGrow, but he's had a long track record of quality posts and generally acting like a functional civilized adult and decent dude.

That said - MGrow: I'm actually.... hopeful about the Cleveland Browns next season and don't think I'm entirely irrational about it!! Are >9 wins and maybe even the playoffs on the table for next season? Or is Jimmy Haslam just playing the realllllllllly long con with our hearts?

The thing is - that forgiveness isn't all that meaningful in the absence of justice. Yes, we don't know what happened with either Freeze or the AD but what they were alleged to have done is pretty serious and shouldn't be swept so easily under the rug. It's really hard for me to look at these hires so soon after the offenses in question, and at their professed repentance, and not conclude that it's anything other than a performative display to get a good-ish football coach to elevate their program. And I'd say the same with if we were talking some other random non-Liberty FCS school.

Smegmatic Blue has posted that sexual assault victims (who in point of fact have all done more with their lives at ages 15-25ish than he ever will) are "washed up gymnasts"

He's insinuated that their incoming settlement money will be somewhat adequate compensation for childhood trauma and that most of us would be OK with that happening to us. Everyone reading this knows someone who was in fact molested or raped - if they were to read this, what would they think?

We have the right to think and voice dumb or - as is the case here - profoundly offensive opinions. However, the MGoCommunity is under no obligation to give these a platform.

MSU has plenty to make fun of, but let's not act like they should just give everybody a permanent blank check because of this stuff.

Frankly, these girls are all washed up gymnasts and most probably had no direction in life and all of a sudden are now receiving a $3M windfall and never have to work again for the rest of their lives.

I'll tell you this..... I would be totally ok with a creepy old lady touching my genitals for a couple years if it ended up coming with a $3M windfall.......

I'm sure cowards like BorninA2 and northernmich would 100% absolutely have the cojones to say the same weak-ass trash talk in this thread to Rashan Gary face-to-face. In the meantime, I'd loooooove to hear all about how much U-Mich means to true fans like them.

I’m telling you what a Michigan man is — this is him. A guy that has so much invested in his teammates. So much invested in how he plays, that when somebody disrespects you, that bothers you. And I don’t know how you are, but I’m not one of those guys, when somebody does something like that, I’m just gonna walk away, no big deal. He showed his emotion right there. Now, whether that was right or wrong, that’s Devin. And that’s why Devin is a premier linebacker in this college football game right now. The whole thing happens — when you put as much into playing like you’re supposed to, like our kids have, when people do that, when people disrespect you, people don’t treat you like you feel like you should be, you’re gonna show some emotion. Because you have invested so much. Devin’s just another example of the guys that we work with on this defense and on this team. I’m not singling out offense, either, I don’t have them, but with this team, I was glad to see it to be honest with you. Show them how much it meant. It showed how much the rest of his teammates meant to him.

MGoParents - you know how when you and your kid get called into the principal's office because your kid beat the crap out of the schoolyard bully after weeks of instigation? You probably do an obligatory performative bit of saying "I'm sorry, Bobby will be grounded or something blah blah blah" as one does, but as soon as you leave the principal's office, you buy Bobby ice cream with all the fixings because you're so damn proud of him.

Serious reason why you shouldn’t vote for Devin Bush and Chase Winovich for Board of Trustees: even though they’d doubtless be better than whoever they’d replace, they have no real chance of being elected. People who do have a real chance – are Mss. Scott and Tebay, who’ve campaigned on pushing back against Engler.

Slightly less serious reason why you shouldn’t vote for Devin Bush and Chase Winovich for Board of Trustees: MSU needs outside voices badly, and not people who’re entrenched in the same-old, same-old. As we saw two weeks ago, Devin and Chase comprehensively own Spartan Stadium, so they are not the outside voices we need.

I think Dwayne Haskins will get his and we could very well suffer a few coverage busts against all their talented wideouts. They'll have some success moving the ball between the 20's and are good enough to get a few scores, even against us. Make no mistake, I'm still worried about this game until the clock strikes zero and Urban is asking Shelley what the number for Papa John's is since he forgot.

But when push comes to shove, we can run on them when we have to - which was all the difference between 2016 and now. Karan Higdon and Shea can conjure up the tough yards that De'veon and Speight couldn't. Instead of Raekwon MacMillan shutting down all our underneath stuff, you have... Pete Werner having to check Ben Mason. We saw what our D-Line did to their O-Line in 2016; their O-Line is even worse than it was then and ours is about as good now, and possibly even better. It'll be an even tougher test than the last 3 weeks, but even the world's biggest OSU homers would admit that this M team is up to the task. OSU... ask again later.

At the risk of diverging too far into um... sundry hinterlands - this right here is the power of protest and speaking out.

Most significant social changes were the result of protest. You might think this is a relatively small thing - and in light of all the groundbreaking social changes that have come about in the last half century alone, you'd be right. But from a morality, PR, and ethics standpoint, firing Durkin was about as much of a no-brainer as a quadruple dosage of hand sanitizer after a walk through MSU's campus.

And the UMD Board of Regents was still going to screw that up.

The Maryland Board of Regents, like most other groups of adults who are In Charge of Things, is mostly guided by its skewed perception of self-preservation that gets most of its input from influential people/groups in its peripheral orbit - i.e., well-heeled donors and boosters. In other words, an echo chamber. You could sadly make the same accusation for many other powerful groups in the political, religious, educational and business arenas. Left to their own devices, they far too often act as an amoral collective insulated from what should be common decency. It's only when everyone else outside of the bubble collectively raise their voices and refuse to be ignored that they pull their heads out of their asses.

This entire fkn year demonstrates why Engler is not in the least bit interested in accomplishing any positive change at MSU. He will resist any effort at putting teeth into a compliance culture. It is to the detriment of the school, and apparently Mosallem is the only trustee who recognizes this.

He sucked beyond measure and was hated by his players, his staff and pretty much the entire city of Cleveland. They ONLY person who couldnt see what a fucking moron he was had to be Jimmy Haslam and my guess is Dorsey gave him a "me or him" ultimatum or something cause as horrible as Hue was, the Haslams loved him for some reason.

Sad thing is that the bolded part is the alpha and omega for why positive change, I fear, isn't going to happen. There's more to be excited about than ever for the Browns, but it starts at the top and Haslam isn't going to fire himself which is ultimately the change that *needs* to happen.

If you want to argue that Ray Farmer, Sashi, Pettine, Chud, now Hue, and heaven-knows-who-else deserved to be fired, no one's gonna debate that at all, but they were ALL hired by Haslam. Until he stops hiring scrubs who absolutely have to be replaced 1.5 years later we're gonna be stuck in a Sisyphean cycle of burn down and rebuild, on-field talent notwithstanding.

I'll be happy as anyone else to eat my words, but... you and I have both seen this movie before.

Hell, I am um... not Republican - and it cannot go unsaid that the two most toxic shitholes on the MSU BoTrustees- Ferguson and Perles - are also Democrats who need to be broomed out of there yesterday.

Side note - the BoTrustees were dithering between Engler and Blanchard for interim president and mostly picked Engler because as a Republican he might have a better relationship with Michigan's mostly Republican-controlled legislature. Which.,... whoops. While I doubt Blanchard wouldn't done much better, it's hard to imagine him being actively worse. While I certainly have severe disagreements with Engler's political inclinations, make no mistake: my and everyone else's outrage towards his tenure as president is because of a gross, provincially-minded, and frankly immoral assholism that straddles party/political lines.

Right *now*, I'd have to put LSU over us, as they have a better win (@ UGA) than we do (@ petit frere), and their loss is pretty comparable to ours (one-score @ a top 10 team) If we win out, we'll be in the playoffs - if they win out, so will they.

I went to Quebec City with a buddy a few years ago where literally every woman we say was tres belle and avoided international incidents, so I'm sure I'll be fine(?) I'll actually be in Cartegena during The Game, so I'll have to start rehearsing Saludar a los vencedores and perhaps lead aforementioned pageant contestants in a sing-along of that. Vamos Azul!

Again - the people here who are harping on the fact that Baumgartner is a MSU grad who happens to be an M beat writer are more or less claiming equivalency with Dave Biddle of Bucknuts who wondered why the BTN didn't see fit to point out that Nicole Auerbach was a Michigan grad when she (correctly) teed off on Urban being an amoral shitbag in the wake of OSU's Dildo-gate investigation (can we make Dildogate a thing, please?)

If I can mention you and Dave Biddle in the same sentence, y'all done fucked up.

Hm, I was thinking that with this win we rectified the ledger and it doesn't matter what happens in next year game, but OPs eloquent arguments to the contrary have caused me to reconsider my cavalier stance on thisnissue.

The ONLY reason for the 'little brother' meme to hang on is because it pisses off Sparty so much.

Most of us who have actual little brothers got really pissed off at them for many many things, but at the end of the day you care about them and got each others' backs when push comes to shove, because they're family.

The Powers That Be who run Michigan State are low-rent swill who are more upset about the three double-digit L's Mork and Izzo rang up against scUM then they are about presiding over the arguably the worst university sexual abuse scandal in modern history and inarguably the worst institutional response to it.

Until that changes, f--k that school; they ain't part of any family of mine.

On a scale of 1-to-cameraman, how badly were all of you faked out on Patterson's keeper? I bought the fake hook, line, and sinker, which would apparently qualify me for MSU's defense but for my lack of a rap sheet.

I don't like the little brother meme, because at the end of the day after all your fights and scuffles, your little brother is your blood and family who has your back and you got his.

After MSU's institutional response of two decades of Larry Nassar and a decade-plus of Mork and Izzo's felons-for-titles, I have less respekt for them as an institution than I do An Ohio State University. I have friends who are MSU alums who I think the world of. I've been impressed with how the vast majority of the current students have acted like adults in comparison to their president and Board of Trustees during MSU's darkest hour.

But seriously, until they clean house at the Jack Abrams Building, fuck that school - they ain't part of no family of mine.

Offense - made too many mistakes that absolutely positively cannot be repeated against OSU: the two fumbles, various bad playcalls to piss away field position, and Shea taking a sack when he could've thrown a fade to DPJ.

But: All teams make mistakes. And unlike in 2015 or 2017, we executed consistently enough to where the mistakes didn't cost us the game. The two sustained TD drives were just us being better. And if you wanna ding Shea for the bad sack, you also gotta give him props for the perfect dime to DPJ that wound up being the winning touchdown. We did enough and then some to get the win on the road against a not-totally-butt team and that's all you can ask.