Okay so Ive been revising my old (extremely conservative) Power Level list and Ive come up with this revised one.It will list all key points in a characters power development as well as some Key attacks that merit PL's. Nearly all the PL's listed From the start till the Beginning of Trunks are factual and should not be contested at the risk of making yourself look like an idiot. But from there is purely opinion based. Also I only have the canon characters. No non canon here. Anything that I put a * next to means I will post an explanation of it at the end of the particular arc. Feel free to debate and show your opinions, but ofcourse be reasonable and logical. Without further adieu:

** - Never actually shown but existed by logic.*** - This Vegeta is based on his bluff he made after 19 absorbed all that energy. Assuming 20 was equal to or greater than 19 he based his remaining power and compared it to what he felt he fought and guesstimated. Hence that conclusion. He technically could likely have taken 20 down at that stage but choose not to risk it. imo

* - I concluded that USSJ2 logically would only amount to a rough 2 x increase off of USSJ and USSJ is a 2x increase off of SSJ. ** - I dont believe MSSJ has any sort of increased modifier. Simple as that. Its just the Mastered form meaning they have no ki depletion by transforming or being in the form. Its their bases that I feel increased the most and compensate. I also dont believe the Base Saiayans > Piccolo. - Cell was holding back with gohan during the beam struggle and kept from killing him outright as is obviously shown. -Per usual, Base is not greater than Piccolo or any such. No solid indisputable facts sadly.

* - Based on Vegeta's comments and subsequent actions, it implores he was SSJ2 pre majin but still ended up not at the same level of power as Goku was demonstrating. (Or quite as strong as Gohan was at the Cell Games)- Regarding 18, Krillin told her to hold back and I feel that applies to her fight with the boys. She was holding back against them. She had control over them both While they were in base and only shit her pants when they went sssj. So from all thats shown SSJ Kids >> 18 > Base Kids.

- Mainly I entered this to point out that section of the manga. How it exemplifies that Gohan regained his old power and in fact surpassed Goku. Its shown in their abilities in wielding the Z-sword. Then His placement is closer to Fat Buu to show how he had to be considered as a possible match to Buu.

- And now the Kai's work. P123 's idea of South working as a multiplication is somewhat plausible based on how Diao weakens boo. I treat the kiaoshin as if his power is a x increase. Kibito Kaioshin is now effectively stronger but still a piss ant to Goku and matches Elder Kai's statements.

- Okay so I have The Fusion Dance at a x50 (Wow lol) increase, All SSJ boosts are 1/3 their normal state roughly. I also dont believe Base Post > Ssj Pre. I mean, it was a *bleep*ing gag scene. Its not well founded imo. Nor is Base > SSJ. - This is not the same as Movie 12 Gogeta. I havent decided if they would get a rivals boost or not. I like the numbers for the Rivals boost version though.

- I know the latter two dont exist but I like looking at the insane numbers. The other two dont need Buu's power to figure out. So I changed the SEG to an A+B x 75 increase. However there is no decrease in the other proper SSJ modifiers. With a 2x rival boost. Gokan was a hinted at fusion who is suggested to not need to transform to beat Buutenks. I'm adding him for lols. I know you'll think its crazy... But its what makes sense. And really, none of its wrong factually its still an opinion. I like these numbers. They are interesting.

- UUb's power is based on displayed and not latent.- I know SSJ 3 Vegeta doesnt exist, but its still possible, I have him weaker due to him having to cover far more ground than goku. Despite that, I think its fair to have him on the heals of Goku. He always was afterall.- Gohan stays the same. - This Naturally Ignores BOG as I dont view it as Canon. (Most dont)

Wha-wha-wha-what? Kibito is weaker than 21st Budokai characters? Goku told Gohan that he'd need to keep his guard up before fighting Kibito, and Gohan is even worried about fighting while still in his base form. Even when Gohan turned SSJ backstage, Kibito didn't give a crap about it. It was only when Gohan was SSJ2 that Kibito cared about how strong he actually was. This post lays it out nicely, too:

quote Herms

“Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].”

That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing.

The daizenshuu line is from Kibito’s Daizenshuu 7 bio: “His battle power is considerably high, enough to give Gohan a difficult fight as long as he wasn’t a Super Saiyan.”

So, there's just no logical reason to put Kibito as incredibly low as you have him.

Fair enough, I didnt think of that aspect... But like I said, its one of the only logical PL's I could calculate to make Kibito kaioshin not stronger than Buutenks.. And If I lower Easty to the 100 millions then that would put him weaker than Piccolo which I am personally contemplating. But I cant really decide if Piccolo was just afraid of status and assumed the Kiaoshin would be massively powerful or not...

That's not necessarily the case though Zangetsu, the A x B method comes from the SEG which isn't canon, so you don't have to consider it as being factual. It isn't disproved by the manga, but all the same, you can question it since it produces a whopper of a battle power for Vegito, though that also depends on how you rate the base Buu arc Saiyans...

The fact Vegetto goes SSJ right off the bat suggests Buuhan was at least competative with him and there's no evidence to suggest Buu's absorptions adds more than just the PL of the victim to Buu's strength.

Plus Kibito Kai by your PL's would be able to easily destroy Kid Buu, which clearly isn't the case.

Gohan in base right after pulling out the Z-Sword was able to swing it around a bit. When the sword was given to Kibito, he basically provided no resistance as the sword was pulled by gravity to the ground.

I appreciate the Herms quote, Savage. I think that can be applied to Gohan needing to use "super human power" to beat Kibito in base.

quote Herms

Bulma told me that if people found out my true power

I don't see why it makes a difference if the true power was base or SSJ or SSJ2 as people wouldn't care and they would just see it as "super human power".

Regarding the power increase that fusion yields, the SEG only says that it works 'closer to multiplication', it doesn't actually say that fusion is "A's power multiplied by B's power". I think the point it was trying to get across is that fusion produces someone many levels above the sum of their parts. If fusion literally multiplied powers together, Kibitoshin would be more powerful than Base Vegetto. But as it turns out, he was weaker than SSJ3 Goku (being generous).

Gohan in base right after pulling out the Z-Sword was able to swing it around a bit. When the sword was given to Kibito, he basically provided no resistance as the sword was pulled by gravity to the ground.

I appreciate the Herms quote, Savage. I think that can be applied to Gohan needing to use "super human power" to beat Kibito in base.

Maybe that quote pertains only to Gohan before he trained with the Z-Sword. Didn't Gohan train for a while with the sword (and gaining power like crazy whilst doing so), before Kibito tried his hand at lifting it? I'm not sure though, I could be wrong, I'm just trying to make that Daiz quote work a little bit better. Buf it's correct, then Kibito could be stronger than Gohan when they met at the Tenkaichi Budokai and be weaker on Kaioshinkai, as the Z-Sword was stated (in the legend) to grant the person who wields it a lot of power, perhaps enough for Gohan to bridge the gap with Kibito.

I would say that Dabura is in between PC and SPC. So that seems to low for him.

I also think your

SSJ Trunks 200 millionYardrat Goku 200 million

are too high. 50 million is a huge increase from Namek and would most likely warrant commenting on.

Organic Freeza 120 millionMecha Freeza 150 million

Although the spacing between the two seems proper it seems like the Daiz is contradicted when referring Freeza at 120 and Goku at 150 seeing as their fight is much more closer than what is implied. To each his own though I guess..

Alright where do I start? I don't think Good Buu is nearly this strong. Mr Buu basically being Fat Buu is just crazy to me.

Although you are using semi official numbers

SSJSSJ2 ( x 2 )SSJ3 ( x4 )

I don't agree with them. I really don't think there is that huge of a gap between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ3 Goku. Did Goku get much much stronger , of course but jesus man that is sickening amount.

Fat Buu is way too close to SSJ3 Goku. Yes he did a good job but Goku could have his way with him. Also Fat Buu didn't look to be that far ahead of Majin Vegeta. Was he much more powerful than him? of couse but Vegeta was able to annoy him a little and piss him off more going by your power levels Vegeta would be as annoying as a fly.

Kid Buu is too strong in comparison to Goku. hell most people nowadays think Goku was equal to kid if not stronger I don't agree but no way is Goku this weak. 80 billion to a 100 billion is a huge gap. One in which Goku would be easily dominated at full power not to mention he was losing power rapidly.

Base Vegetto to SSJ Vegetto progression

I don't agree with this either. Although fusion differs from potaras I would assume they work similarly. Seeing how Base Gotenks to SSJ Gotenks doesn't see such a leap I would doubt Vegetto does as well. Also seeing how strong Base Gotenks is I would assume Vegetto is much much stronger than that.

I think Base Vegetto perhaps is slightly weaker than Buuhan but he can compete with him for sure ( speculation )

Kibito obviously like others pointed out is weaker than base Gohan but somewhat comparable to him. Don't force the multipliers to dictate your numbers let your numbers work itself out and find the formula then.

Instead of using a made up formula by someone who probably wouldn't do as good as a job as half of the guys on here do what's logical.

base Gohan 100Kibito 75

Estimate how strong Kibito Kai is...

Kibito Kai = Majin vegeta

Majin Vegeta = 5,750

Estimate Supreme Kai

Supreme Kai = 1,750

Then find your formula

Supreme Kai ( 1,750 ) ( x or + ) Kibito ( 75 ) = KibitoKai ( 5,750)

Then I would take that and see how that works in relation to Vegetto etc. etc..

I have Supreme Kai basically equal to SSJ Gohan. For the whole Piccolo to be outmatched by Supreme Kai he has to at least be this strong. Piccolo is not as far behind Gohan as people assume during the Buu Saga...

SSJ Goten and Trunks are implied to be much much stronger than SSJ Goku from Namek. Many estimate that they have to be stronger than 18 who is head and shoulders above any Andriod Arc SSJ let alone one from the Freeza saga..

I don't think Good Buu is nearly this strong. Mr Buu basically being Fat Buu is just crazy to me.

Pretty Much the reason I see them so close is two reasons. One Fat Buu acts pretty much the same as Mr. Buu. He was suppressed and all. Second the numbers work that way for me. He's still outclassed by Goku. (and fusions) If Mr. Buu was Serious thats where I sorta see his power.

quote p123

Kid Buu is too strong in comparison to Goku. hell most people nowadays think Goku was equal to kid if not stronger I don't agree but no way is Goku this weak. 80 billion to a 100 billion is a huge gap. One in which Goku would be easily dominated at full power not to mention he was losing power rapidly.

20 billion at levels like that isnt as much as you think, but to be fair like you said goku's power was decreasing, yet they fought evenly the whole time... How do you explain that? The only way is that Buu was toying with Goku. Simple as that. That also seemed implied.

quote p123

Don't force the multipliers to dictate your numbers let your numbers work itself out and find the formula then.

Its not like A x B has too many ways to change it. I went with the SEG. It works. (more or less)

quote p123

SSJ Goten and Trunks are implied to be much much stronger than SSJ Goku from Namek.

Proof please...

quote p123

I have Supreme Kai basically equal to SSJ Gohan. For the whole Piccolo to be outmatched by Supreme Kai he has to at least be this strong. Piccolo is not as far behind Gohan as people assume during the Buu Saga...

Again... proof? Facts? Anything to support your claim? I dont think Supreme compares to any post ROSAT (Cell) SSJ. Including Vegeta and our weakend Buu saga Gohan. My numbers have East to be 3x Piccolo thats pretty heft and I'm inclined to make him 2 or possible 1 and lower piccolo abit which could help the Kibito Kai issue.

quote Sir Infamous

btw, Android 19 and 20? Their powerlevel increases when they absorb energy? I don't think so.

If their max is say 15, they will stay at 15....that has more to do with reserves or "stamina" I thought. If they absorb the energy, it revitalizes their energy, I don't think it makes their powerlevel get higher....for instance like Imperfect Cell absorbing humans or Piccolo's arm.

They are different and I suggest you re read. 20 absobed Piccolo to gain his power to combat Vegeta. (Attempted and failed ofcourse) Cell is the same as well though it seems he would have to gain alot more power than just the actual PL's of the humans he absorbed.

quote Sir Infamous

You think Zarbon only goes from 22,000 to 27,000 with his transformation?

I'd put him at 30,000, and Vegeta post Zarbon fight about 35,000-36,000.

Is 27,000 for Zarbon's transformed state factual though? I remember the Daiz including the 23k in his biography, but I missed the 27k being officially listed somewhere. It is accurate enough in its own right though, factual or not.

Maybe that quote pertains only to Gohan before he trained with the Z-Sword. Didn't Gohan train for a while with the sword (and gaining power like crazy whilst doing so), before Kibito tried his hand at lifting it? I'm not sure though, I could be wrong, I'm just trying to make that Daiz quote work a little bit better.

The way it appeared to me was that Gohan had just come down from pulling the Z-Sword out when he handed Kibito the sword. There could be something going on there with Gohan's power being unlocked partially right after pulling the sword out due to the nature of the story of the Sword in the Stone but pulling the sword out of the ground could be a lot harder than holding it up and barely swinging it around.