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When the Great Tribulation starts isn't there gonna be some amount of Christians left behind to witness to those who have never of the saving grace of Jesus Christ? Doesn't it say something about that in Revelation? 2Thes:2:11:"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" I know that this is talking about the ones who have had a chance to accept Christ as their personal saviour will never have a chance again. If there are preachers left behind who will they be?

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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I believe scripture supports the doctrine of a post-tribulation rapture of the saints, in conjunction with the "Day of the Lord" or the 2nd Coming of our Lord Jesus.

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In Revelation it says that God will bring two witnesses back to earth in order to preach the gospel.....I believe this does not happen until the halfway mark, if I remember correctly.

I do not remember anywhere else that says that there will be other witnesses, besides the 144,000 Jews. Most pre-tribbers believe that people can indeed still be saved during the Tribulation....however, it will be a much more difficult thing to see occur. This is based on the fact that many MANY people will know what the Rapture is when it occurs, and having been left behind will realize that they missed it and will then call out to God for salvation. There will also still be forms of witnesses such as printed Bibles and tracts, video tapes of preaching, and now even Internet witnessing on record. People will still have "opportunity", they will just not have those others to "compel" them to answer GOd's call.

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Antichrist. Wont he try destroy all traces of the Bible and Jesus Christ? In the Bible it says that those who wont follow the Antichrist will be killed or martyred. Again.... 2 Thessolonians 2:11. The Great Tribulation is Gods wrath being pored up the sinners of earth. The ultimate sin is not accepting Jesus as their saviour. They had their chance before the tribulation. Its not like the movies left behind.... they don't get another chance. They will believe that the Antichrist is God. They "shall believe a lie." as it says in 2 Thess. 2:11. Many Jews today still think that the Messiah hasn't come to earth yet. They don't think that Jesus was the Messiah.

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And remember, there are several groups that would most likely refuse to follow the Antichrist, even though these groups do not have the gospel. People who are just against dictators, Muslims would most likely hold out (unless the guy is a Muslim himself), even many of the cults would most likely "recognize" the antichrist as such.

So those who the Antichrist puts to death as unwilling to follow him, are not necessarily saved persons.

verse 28,
My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

God said he would chastise Israel with the rod and many stripes,

but what is the rod and stripes?

Isaiah 10 5,
O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.

O Assyrian, represents the antichrist,
and the staff represents authority in the hands of the antichrist and Satan, or dominion over the world.

When Moses and Arron cast down their rod to the earth, the rods turned into serpents, and the rod God uses to chastise Israel will also turn into a serpent, Satan,

Exodus 4 2,
And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.
And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent;

Revelations 12 9,
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12 13,
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

The woman is Israel, the man child is Jesus.

God does to Israel exactly what Paul wrote for the church to do.

first Corinthians 5 5,
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus suffer the chastisement and stripes for the church in his flesh, but since Israel rejected Jesus, their flesh will suffer the STRIPES of abuse, torture and death at the hands of the AC.

Isaiah 53 5,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

But during the tribulation, anyone confessing Jesus, and refusing to worship the beast image, will literally be put to death, that is, they must be willing to physically die for Jesus’s salvation.

Revelations 13 15,
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Revelation 6 9,
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were
slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Confessing Jesus during the tribulation will result in the execution of the flesh.

Revelations 12 11,
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lifes unto the death.

The church spiritually drinks of Jesus cup,
but Israel will literally drink of his cup.

This is the difference between Jesus bearing the chastisement and stripes in his flesh for
the church and Israel having to bear the chastisement and stripe in their own flesh.

And it is the reason the church does not have to suffer the tribulation period, but are rapture before the tribulation begins.

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no one said that Jesus would be returning 3 or 4 times....or even twice. The idea that pre-tribbers believe in 2 future comings of Christ is in the least a mistake, in the worst a gross misrepresentation.

The rapture is not a coming of Christ, it is CHristians leaving the earth. Christ does not come to earth at that point, according to pre-trib beliefs.

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no one said that Jesus would be returning 3 or 4 times....or even twice. The idea that pre-tribbers believe in 2 future comings of Christ is in the least a mistake, in the worst a gross misrepresentation.

The rapture is not a coming of Christ, it is CHristians leaving the earth. Christ does not come to earth at that point, according to pre-trib beliefs.

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Right, In the "rapture", (Day of Christ) JESUS REAPS, we meet him "in the air", the "RIGHTEOUS" leave the earth, the "UNSAVED" remain for the trib.

At his "Second coming", (Day of the Lord)the "ANGELS REAP", the "UNSAVED" leave the earth, the "RIGHTEOUS" remain for the MK.

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......There will also still be forms of witnesses such as printed Bibles and tracts, video tapes of preaching, and now even Internet witnessing on record. People will still have "opportunity", they will just not have those others to "compel" them to answer GOd's call.

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Just a quick thought, I wonder how the rapture will effect baptistboard?

My beliefs?
I grew up pre-trib, I am now moving toward mid-trib, who knows? One day I may be post-trib. That is of course if the rapture doesn't happen yet. Oh Well, back to pre-trib.

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Thankyou for all your help. I am glad to see what bapmom stated about Jesus'return. The first time that God came to earth was when He was born and then crucified. His second coming is when he brings all His children back to fight whoever is left on earth known as the Battle of Armagedon. After that we will live eternally in the New Jerusalem. Oh and TinyTim.... if your saved you won't be post-trib. Trust me.

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Scratch that.... I have no clue what the battle is called, or even if it has a name, when we come back to fight whoever is left on earth. I thought it was armagedon but thats what marks the end of the Trib when the 7th angle pours out his vial upon earth. Sorry. Anyone no what it is called please tell me.

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Originally posted by Martin: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by canadyjd: I believe scripture supports the doctrine of a post-tribulation rapture of the saints, in conjunction with the "Day of the Lord" or the 2nd Coming of our Lord Jesus.

Therefore, there is no conflict with "who" is preaching to those "left behind", because no one has been raptured prior to the tribulation.

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==No agreement whatsoever.

Martin </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with Martin. 1 Thes. 5:9 is just one verse that supports a pre-trib rapture of the church.

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Pre trib vs. post trib, Once saved always saved vs. Not OSAS, half full vs. half empty, King James vs. New King James hmmmm.... I can't wait to actually know the answers to these questions.

The good thing, however, is God knows and rest assured whether there is pre trib or post trib I will be there when God tells me it is time to go. Until then I am going to rest on the words of Jesus Christ and not worry about it.

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I hope all the this pretrib TEACHING doesn’t persuade anyone to go flying off to the wrong guy and be fornicators with him because when the real Christ does come He wouldn’t be very happy to see His wanna be brides with child;

(Mar 13:5) And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

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