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I'm still using CS5... but as far as I'm concerned there has been nothing of any importance added to Photoshop or Illustrator since CS3. No way would I pay a subscription for new kinds of smart clone tools and blurs I'm never going to use. Or the privilege of storing my files on their servers... no thanks!

It's good to see you around Josh. I miss the long threads you used to start here.

Nice to see you too, Frets. Been awhile. I'm still working in AS3 believe it or not... still developing new games for the casino... even maintaining and upgrading plenty of AS2 code that's still running businesses... things I did 8-9 years ago that even now I would never want to try doing in HTML5. I feel like a lot of artisanship and skill is getting lost these days. Decline of civilization, I guess. Off-topic, maybe -- but to bring it around, Adobe Cloud? I must be a dinosaur but I hate the idea. I had a dropbox account, canceled it; had a palm pilot with a hundred apps on it when it was seriously unfashionable but have never bought a smart phone; tried a facebook account for a couple days but closed it in 2008. To my mind, the kinds of things we were building and rolling from scratch were a liberating technology that let anyone do anything, kind of an alternative universe compared to the stagnant template sites and apps that prevail today. Maybe I'm on the wrong side of history, lol. Anyway that's why I haven't been around much, just seems cruel to encourage newbs to learn how to scale a sprite when nothing works that way anymore.

Having said that, I'm up for a good fight against the rising tide of stupid. (e.g. this and the other thread). If only we could do something about it. The day Apple and Adobe turned evil, the music kinda died.

what josh said for existing license owners. but if you don't own the photoshop and you need to do some job that requires it, it may make sense to buy 1 month of it rather than pay full price.

Actually as I understand it you either keep paying or you are screwed. I

It's a weird way to tackle piracy. The thinking is that people will be more inclined to buy in if it costs them less dropping 20 on a debit card monthly makes owning (renting) the software much more attainable for those who don't have big bucks or established credit. And another plus for those who work in both pc and mac is that you don't have to buy the license twice, once for each operating system.

But it's also focused on corporate purchases which accountants really love.

Having said that, I'm up for a good fight against the rising tide of stupid

I'm right there with you but it gets tougher and tougher everyday. If not for nagging sisters I wouldn't be on facebook.
As much as I tell people html5 is not a standard they still like to learn the hard way.

A lot of what the web experience ins't what it used to be simply because the public is more concerned with "being seen" online then anything else. God forbid someone has a train of thought that requires more then a tweet allows for.

Actually as I understand it you either keep paying or you are screwed.

It's a weird way to tackle piracy. The thinking is that people will be more inclined to buy in if it costs them less dropping 20 on a debit card monthly makes owning (renting) the software much more attainable for those who don't have big bucks or established credit.

I'm not sure if it'll help tackle piracy at all. If you don't pay the fee, obviously you lose access to any software updates, data you stored on their servers... but I'm sure a patch will be out almost immediately to keep the software from crippling itself if it can't phone home.

I'd submit that what Adobe -- and lots of other software companies (ahem, EA?) -- would really like to do, and probably the whole reason that Google is busy laying residential fiber, is to have all the software or even the whole OS Running on their own servers, and the client application just show a remote desktop. That'll be "Cloud 2.0", and it'll be sold as a way to access all your software from any screen... the catch is you won't actually own any software or even your own files anymore, and they can shut you off at any time, for any reason.

Originally Posted by Frets

A lot of what the web experience ins't what it used to be simply because the public is more concerned with "being seen" online then anything else. God forbid someone has a train of thought that requires more then a tweet allows for.

As far as smart phones go... I still don't own one.

Yeah, it everyone honking, flapping and tweeting at the same time, "listen to me, I'm on the radio!" Kind of like reality TV, it's cheaper to let everyone be the center of their own narcissistic little narrative than to develop creative informational content. Cheap, uncreative third world developers, human laziness, the explosion of templates and frameworks (and even node.js and NoSQL) all add to this. And it's a feedback loop that smart phones have radically accelerated, where people don't even want to hear anyone's voice but their own anymore, don't have the patience for a narrative that informs or leads them through an experience. There was another view of the web, originally, that a website could be kind of like a multiple-ending novel. A lot of really bad websites came out of this, but there were some great ones, and more importantly there was diversity. I remember the shift around 2001 where people stopped wanting their website to look different from everyone else's, and started wanting everything to "look like Google". Bands, film releases, even breakfast cereals (http://frootloops.com ...!) could be a story that the consumer was woven into. Bands with sales under 10,000 albums were building way cooler, better sites than, e.g. http://madonna.com ...but the smart phone destroyed all of that and undermined the artisan class (us) who made specialized in building those things. And most companies decided not to go for the big spend of building a mobile site and a separate desktop experience. The added value is difficult to measure on a balance sheet. And not searchable? Oh no!

The music software industry is already plagued with crippling call response systems which require the user be online and have access to the account to use the software even though the software is not "in the cloud" but actually on their computer

IKMedia comes to mind. I have sampletank 2xxl on a desktop that isn't connected to the internet. I've paid for it and I've got a valid account yet I still have to connect to the internet on it every so often or the sound library won't load. Yes they can cripple software if it doesn't connect with a server/cloud. The high end virtual instruments and DAW's are extremely draconian in the handling/usage of the products even to those whom have fully purchased their software. It's actually moved me away from them to midline or low end softsynths, virtual instruments, virtual effects.

Personally I think it's a big scam to get us to rent harddrive space we used to own and invite invasion of our private data. There is information I've aquired and documented over the years that I don't want on the internet. The simple solution is for me not to put it on the internet. When you store private data with a company that's primary function is data mining should you consider that material secure?

Did I say that I just got 1 free year of CC from Adobe? I don't think I did. So there - I have 1 free year of this stuff. Sorry if your butts now hurt even more All I had to do for this is submit several bug reports in their prerelease programs. But, regardless, I would have never pay for so much Adobe boxed software in my life. So, like it or not, CC is actually good thing.

Asset generation on Photoshop CC is a huge addition over my current CS6 install. So is the shake filter... just use a tripod I say. Anyway, CC has almost become a compelling upgrade for me - but I'd never use the cloud to store my files. I produce too much junk daily and I'd rather work on local files only. But that shouldn't stop you from upgrading.

I am not intending to bring up old discussions as this thread as one Page3. As Flash Builder support has bascially ended and FDT now wants... what .. $55 USD per month I decided to opt for a discounted $25/mo plan for CC which includes the entire Adobe library. I don't have any complaints as all of the products are updated often and easy to install/uninstall.