When Aldredge asked KG about the Celtics offense KG said words that every Raptors player, BC and coach should listen to

KG "We don't even talk offense, We did it with defense"

Truer words there are not. They made the Cavs look like Hawks tonight...I couldnt believe how ineffective they made LBJ. And the Cavs were built for LBJ and the playoffs. A lesson for those who think CB teaming up with LBJ does the trick. Reminds me of how the Pistons won as well (the last one). People, get your point guard first and then you can take it from there. Rondo is doing a number on Mo W. How good can that guy get if he developed a 3 pt. range. Oh my.

The Celtics are the biggest bunch of a-holes the league has seen in a while. The Celtics have wronged the Raptors far more than the Cavs did sitting LeBron James in a game that meant nothing to them. Sorry but I'm not sure how anyone can cheer the Celtics after all the B.S. they've pulled in games since Allen and KG showed up.

The Celtics are the biggest bunch of a-holes the league has seen in a while. The Celtics have wronged the Raptors far more than the Cavs did sitting LeBron James in a game that meant nothing to them. Sorry but I'm not sure how anyone can cheer the Celtics after all the B.S. they've pulled in games since Allen and KG showed up.

Come on now. Every time the Raptors play the Celtics KG or someone pulls some pin head stunt that totally disrespects the club. Those guys are punks. I hope they lose and I'll cheer against them until the end of time. The Cavs aren't responsible for the Raptors missing the playoffs, the Raptors are. They should have never placed themselves in the position where they rely on other teams winning/losing games to get in. At the All-star break they were sitting pretty in 5th seed.

Come on now. Every time the Raptors play the Celtics KG or someone pulls some pin head stunt that totally disrespects the club. Those guys are punks. I hope they lose and I'll cheer against them until the end of time. The Cavs aren't responsible for the Raptors missing the playoffs, the Raptors are. They should have never placed themselves in the position where they rely on other teams winning/losing games to get in. At the All-star break they were sitting pretty in 5th seed.

I agree with you on both counts.

Look at my initial post on this thread. I never said the Lebron sitting was responsible for the Raptors missing the playoffs.

I said I hate him for playing against the Raptors and sitting vs the Bulls.

I can see where one would draw the conclusion that I was saying that that was the cause of the Raptors not making the playoffs.

That is not the case. I believe the reason that Raptors missed the playoffs is because of Bosh's inability to again play 82 games and in fact only play 70. In addition when he did return after the first injury he played while not being 100% as a result of that injury.

Yes anyone could have gotten his face in the way of Jamison's elbow like Bosh did. But no one else did.

Bosh once again broke down and that is why the Raptors missed the playoffs. Of course the Raptors don't even come close without Bosh true enough.

But the Raptors didn't pay Bosh to play in only 70 games whatever the reason.

P.S. I also put part of the blame on Turk and to a lessor extent Calderon because he was injured. Everyone else on the roster either played up to or above my expectations. However, as I stated a number of times. Bosh is the leader and as such he at least for me has to get most of the blame for the Raptors failure to make the playoffs.

I also think that for the most part Triano did a decent job given the nine new players and that it was his first full year as head coach.

I said I hate him for playing against the Raptors and sitting vs the Bulls.

Why do you care? If the fact that it could affect the playoff hopes of two teams had no bearing on your mind then why care? Do you hate him for sitting out the Pacers, Magic, and Celtics games as well? Do you understand why they would sit him for the last four meaningless games of the season?

One more thing. The elbow was unintentional so we can't really knock the Cavs for it. Jamison wasn't exactly a hit man sent to knock Bosh out. By the way, both years the Raptors went to the playoffs with Bosh he played no more than 70 regular season games, just saying.

The Celtics are the biggest bunch of a-holes the league has seen in a while. The Celtics have wronged the Raptors far more than the Cavs did sitting LeBron James in a game that meant nothing to them. Sorry but I'm not sure how anyone can cheer the Celtics after all the B.S. they've pulled in games since Allen and KG showed up.

I totally agree I hate the Celtics more so then Cleveland, to be honest I actually enjoy Cleveland to watch also since AP and Moon are there now... It was our own fault we didn't make the playoffs, since we lost to golden state and to chi town we set our own fate, we effed it up. not coz Lebron sat?!? are you stupid? we shouldn't be blaming our non playoff season on anyone but ourselves...LBJ is just a scapegoat nothing more.. GO CLEVELAND I HOPE SOMEONE KICKS GARNETT IN THE NUTTZ!

Why do you care? If the fact that it could affect the playoff hopes of two teams had no bearing on your mind then why care? Do you hate him for sitting out the Pacers, Magic, and Celtics games as well? Do you understand why they would sit him for the last four meaningless games of the season?

It was the principle of the thing. In reality Lebron did in fact decide which team was going to get the 8th seed. At the time he sat vs the Raptors the Raptors still had a shot at making the playoffs. That was the reality of it at that moment. Sitting vs the other teams had no bearing on which team was going to make the playoffs.

So yes it should never have come down to that for the Raptors but my friend it did. That was the reality and Lebron made a conscious adult decision based upon the reality at the moment and that was to play vs the Raptors and sit vs the Bulls.

Apollo wrote:

One more thing. The elbow was unintentional so we can't really knock the Cavs for it. Jamison wasn't exactly a hit man sent to knock Bosh out. By the way, both years the Raptors went to the playoffs with Bosh he played no more than 70 regular season games, just saying.

I think you are expanding the subject of the conversation. It seems to me that we were talking about the Raptors 2009-10 season and nothing more.

Do you really think that when Bosh was signed to his current contract by MLSE that they gave him the money that they did expecting that he would only play 70 or less games a season?

He is getting paid to play 82 games unless the coach decides to sit him. Almost every injury in the NBA is accidental unless it happens as a result of someone punching another player, punching the stanchion or doing something intentional that is likely to cause injury.

Bosh has just had bad karma when it comes to injuries, but having bad Karma when it comes to injuries is not something that you pay your players, especially star players to have. This season that bad Karma was the main reason that the Raptors failed to make the playoffs. Just saying

It was the principle of the thing. In reality Lebron did in fact decide which team was going to get the 8th seed. At the time he sat vs the Raptors the Raptors still had a shot at making the playoffs. That was the reality of it at that moment. Sitting vs the other teams had no bearing on which team was going to make the playoffs.

So yes it should never have come down to that for the Raptors but my friend it did. That was the reality and Lebron made a conscious adult decision based upon the reality at the moment and that was to play vs the Raptors and sit vs the Bulls.

It doesn't matter, that's a weak argument on your part. The Raptors controlled their destiny after that. They played Chicago and if they won that game it would have been it for the Bulls and the Raptors would have made the post season. The Raptors had no desire and the end result was 9th place. The only people to blame were in the Raptors locker room.

Buddahfan wrote:

I think you are expanding the subject of the conversation. It seems to me that we were talking about the Raptors 2009-10 season and nothing more.

Do you really think that when Bosh was signed to his current contract by MLSE that they gave him the money that they did expecting that he would only play 70 or less games a season?

Do you think when he was drafted and later signed an extension that he expected to waste seven years of his career surrounded by mediocrity, dysfunction and lack of direction? Shit happens.

Buddahfan wrote:

He is getting paid to play 82 games unless the coach decides to sit him. Almost every injury in the NBA is accidental unless it happens as a result of someone punching another player, punching the stanchion or doing something intentional that is likely to cause injury.

Bosh has just had bad karma when it comes to injuries, but having bad Karma when it comes to injuries is not something that you pay your players, especially star players to have. This season that bad Karma was the main reason that the Raptors failed to make the playoffs. Just saying

Bosh has played close to 90% of all possible regular season games in seven years. The main reason the Raptors fail to make the playoffs is because they waste money on crap coaches and soft players. Good teams overcome injuries.

Is this the start of the Showdown Forum? Buddha and Apollo seem to be going at it pretty good, hehehe.

Not really much of a fan of the current Celtics. I think theyre bullies who are too old and cant keep up with the young ones so they trip, annoy, elbow, gang-scare other teams to submission. kinda good for the game tho coz it keeps it interesting and gives people something to talk about.

Im routing for the Cavs to win so they can go on and become champions so Lebron would stay. If he moves to NYC and takes JJ/Bosh with him, the raps probably wont ever, ever have the chance to get a division title ever again. I give the Celts maybe another good season and then theyll just all retire and live in a seniors home somewhere.

Sorry Buddha but you cant fault Bosh for playing only 70 games. Of course you pay a player to play 82 games but you should be prepared to continuing competing in case he goes down, and thats what the raps didnt do. The raps totally had control even when Bosh went down, they were 1 game off the last playoff spot and they didnt push through.

Good teams

Buddahfan wrote:

having bad Karma when it comes to injuries is not something that you pay your players, especially star players to have. This season that bad Karma was the main reason that the Raptors failed to make the playoffs. Just saying