Because of all the discussion I am seeing on this forum and others comparing mouthpieces, I decided to put out a trombone mouthpiece comparison page. THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS! I have more data to add, but it's off to a pretty good start I think.

One extra feature is a comparison filter. If you click on a mouthpiece about the same size as the one you are comparing, the page is re-loaded with mouthpieces of the same cup width, slightly larger, and slightly smaller, so you can see what else might be close. Just click on the cup width to activate it. (Once you do, there will be a link at the top of the page to "un-filter" the page again.)

The default you will first see is a listing of mouthpieces with a large shank (bass trombone size). Near the top of the page you can choose to see Tenor Trombone size (small shank).

If you don't see your favorite brand, give me time. I do have a day job also! (But there is a link at the top of the page to our contact form so you can suggest additions)

Well done. I'm very pleased that you put in the warnings about each maker's way of measuring being possibly different...without buying every mouthpiece yourself, all you can do is print the maker's specs.... and some are VERY misleading.... usually claiming to be bigger than most people find them to be (I won't name names) which some players here will quote as if they were on tablets sent from on high.Thanks for your efforts.Chris Stearn.

I decided to do a little rim measuring today... various makers products all checked the same way....very interesting results.I wrote down all my measurements before checking against the charts.This is what I found :Bach : New York 15 me: 24.1 the chart: 24.4 Mount Vernon 12C me:24.8 the chart: 24.5 " " 11 me:25.1 the chart: 24.7 Elkhart 5G me:25.5 the chart: 25.5 Mount Vernon 1 1/2G me: 27.5 the chart:27.0 " " 1 1/2G me: 27.5 the chart:27.0 (a second example of this 'piece)

Greg Black: 1 1/2G me: 27.2 the chart:27.25

Denis Wick: 1AL me: 27.0 the chart: 27.1

Griego: 1.5 me: 28.0 the chart: 27.99

Marcinkiewicz: 1 me: 27.9 the chart: 28.0

Schilke: 60 me: 29.0 the chart: 29.03

Now, with the exception of Bach, all those readings are close enough to be considered correct, allowing for polishing variation.... so I have to take it back... most makers are pretty good with their figures..but Bach.... way out !!!!I suppose we all know Bach have varied a lot over the years... but look at BOTH those 1 1/2G's... that's a big difference.Chris Stearn.

I usually use mouthpieceexpress.com to get the specs of the major brands in a consolidated location. Except for Conn that doesn't seem to publish specs on their pieces.

There are a lot of differences in similarly named pieces. I eyeballed my Bach 1 1/2G at 27.5mm and my Benge 1 1/2G at 27.3mm. But the biggest difference was from a Bach mello 6 at 17.5mm to a Conn mello 6 at 16.7mm. I tend to measure from the cup, not the point on the rim where it starts to tapper towards the throat.

As far as specs, some Schilke specs seem a bit off too. At least on the bass trombone side. The 59 specs to about a 28.4mm inner rim, but I think I eyeballed mine at 28.1mm. I'm away from home right now, so I can't verify that at the moment. And it looks like current specs are quite different.

I could have swore that the 5GS had a larger throat than a 5G back when I first started using one in the 1990's. At least according to the specs. But current specs show that it has a smaller throat. Even though many of the other bach S models have larger throats than their non-S counterparts. Not to start any flame wars or debates. But is it common for MP specs to evolve over time? If I find a piece I like, should I buy 20 of them and lock 19 away in a bank vault? So I don't have to adjust to something similar when the plating wears off and the modern specs changed for that mouthpiece.

---snip--- If I find a piece I like, should I buy 20 of them and lock 19 away in a bank vault? So I don't have to adjust to something similar when the plating wears off and the modern specs changed for that mouthpiece.

Only if you lock yourself in the same vault and then turn off the time machine entirely.

The soft machine...that's you, Shadow...changes more rapidly than does ANY m'pce.

Bet on it.

S.

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Only if you lock yourself in the same vault and then turn off the time machine entirely.

The soft machine...that's YOU, Shadow...changes more rapidly than does ANY m'pce.

Bet on it.

S.

Yep.

Bought a Schilke 47B in 1994 to use on my 16M. Loved it!!! Then, around 2002 it started to not do the job for me anymore. I was still playing the same stuff and practicing the same amount, so it wasn't a change there that occurred. Got a Doug Elliott in 2003. Bigger rim diameter, larger cup. Bigger sound. Guys I played with noticed the difference without knowing I changed mouthpieces.

I played a friend's 47B a couple months ago - couldn't stand it!!!

Same mouthpiece, but a different me.

Jerry Walker

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Great chart!One small suggestion - on long charts, if you could insert the column headings occaisionally, maybe at the beginning of each new maker.That would make it a little easier when scrollong back & forth between Warburton & Denis Wick