indylaw:Get Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu to agree to meet in some Scandinavian country for "peace talks." Blow the site to smithereens and make it look like Sunni terrorists were responsible. Pop popcorn and sit back.

/joking, kinda.

Nah, have em meet in Moscow. In ten days I'll have a war on with those Communist bastards, and I'll make it look like THEIR fault.

Simple solution: drop a 55 gallon drum of pig blood and entrails someplace innocuous in Iran and accompany it with a threat to do the same to the Tomb of Ali and the entire city of Qom unless all centrifuges are immediately smashed and displayed in the open for satellite inspection and all nuclear development sites are opened for international inspection. There are several advantages to this approach:

1. It would be highly effective. Even if the Iranians choose to take their chances on ritual defilement, that will signal a change in their culture that in itself represents an unprecedented improvement. It conveys the fact that we recognize this as a religious war (which it has always been from their point of view, whatever we might think) and have the means, the methods and the motives to undermine their religion. Before you take issue with this, keep in mind that from their point of view we worship money and the attack on the World Trade Centers was intended as an attack on our religion.2., It is both humane and cheap.3. These are specificallu Shi'a sites (there are lots of them!) to which the Sunnis will not object.4. It will make the Sunnis think twice about messing with us, given that their holy places are just as defenseless as the Iranian ones.

AliceBToklasLives:Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?

Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Linux_Yes:AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?

Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Money talks, baby. and money owns OUR CONgress.

Money and the power of information. American Media does not always work for America, sometimes it's working for its other country.

Captain_Ballbeard:Linux_Yes: AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?

Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Money talks, baby. and money owns OUR CONgress.

Money and the power of information. American Media does not always work for America, sometimes it's working for its other country.

American "news" media works for the large corporations who own it. the hell with the nation and the "little people".

consider this:LectertheChef: Never said they were, but it's important to remember that Israel has always been just as bad, if not worse, than the people they keep telling us to hate.

I disagree. Even if Israel sits back and does nothing, eventually they get some rockets launched their way or a suicide bomber or two blowing themselves up. Israel responds to aggression, they don't initiate it.

Israel never sits back and does nothing. While you are giving them praise for "doing nothing", they are taking the homes and land of thousands of Palestinians.

Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"? And the terrorist approach would be to simply do it with no warning--drench the holy sites of Iran in filth accompanied by a hearty "fark you." You'd rather see what? A full scale war? The State of Israel wiped from the face of the earth? In that case may I proffer you a hearty "fark you" as well.

clambam:Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?

Are you really making this argument?

JTA J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

AP Dec 2011 The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.

NJ Jewish News Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.This week Menendez stood by his approach on sanctions, which he developed in consultation with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

Couldn't we make a similar deal to the one Russia has with Iran? I'm sure the Russians know exactly what's going on over there because they're involved with it, and we could be too, very easily, but instead we need to speak loudly and swing a big dick around.

We could make sure it's isotopes for medical purposes and make the world a better place through improved medical care but nooooooo, fark you, we got ours. Now do as I say, biatch.

clambam:Simple solution: drop a 55 gallon drum of pig blood and entrails someplace innocuous in Iran and accompany it with a threat to do the same to the Tomb of Ali and the entire city of Qom unless all centrifuges are immediately smashed and displayed in the open for satellite inspection and all nuclear development sites are opened for international inspection. There are several advantages to this approach:

1. It would be highly effective. Even if the Iranians choose to take their chances on ritual defilement, that will signal a change in their culture that in itself represents an unprecedented improvement. It conveys the fact that we recognize this as a religious war (which it has always been from their point of view, whatever we might think) and have the means, the methods and the motives to undermine their religion. Before you take issue with this, keep in mind that from their point of view we worship money and the attack on the World Trade Centers was intended as an attack on our religion.2., It is both humane and cheap.3. These are specificallu Shi'a sites (there are lots of them!) to which the Sunnis will not object.4. It will make the Sunnis think twice about messing with us, given that their holy places are just as defenseless as the Iranian ones.

I hate to say this: YOUR IDEA IS PERFECT!Plus even if you dropped the blood on what ever site, they can clean it up. sure they will be upset, but it wont destroy the site ...bwhahahahahahahahahahahahha

Israel are farking bloodsuckers. And no their "testing" of our weapons does not earn their keep. They've gotten us into a shiatload more trouble than they're worth and they're still using the farking Holocaust to deride anyone who says anything unfavorable about them.

King Something:Jim_Callahan: There's something strange in the world when there are two states having a political conflict in the middle east and the one we're supporting is the oppressive theocracy that's officially an apartheid state instead of the oppressive theocracy that's actively trying to improve the quality of life for its poorer citizens.

//Then, I guess there's not really a right choice there.

Two reasons we're supporting the apartheid state instead of the one that at least pretends to care about its second-class citizens:

1) We need to be buddy-buddy with Israel so that when (not "if") that temple in Jerusalem gets destroyed, Jesus™ will return and all the good Christians in America will get raptored into Heaven™. This offer for a free ticket into Heaven™ is valid for all people who practice American Evangelical Fundamentalist Christianity.2) anybody who does not fully, unconditionally, unquestioningly and unwaveringly support Israel in every last thing they do is an anti-semite who wears full SS regalia and chisel swastikas into the sides of synagogues every chance they get; likewise, anybody who lays even an iota of blame on Israel w/r/t their conflict with the Palestinians is a Nazi-cosplaying, swastika-carving Jew hater. There is absolutely no grey area between the two extremes of "loving Israel more than America or your own family" and "hating Jews with the fury of a thousand suns" whatsoever.

You can thank those New American Century cockgoblins and AIPAC for all this.

Party Boy:clambam: Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?

Are you really making this argument?JTA J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

AP Dec 2011 The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.

NJ Jewish News Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.This week Menendez stood by his appro ...

No, but you are apparently. Look, we're really sorry we rubbed your nose in your complicity in that terrible crime you guys committed last century. Believe me, no one knows more than Jews about how awful it is to feel guilty all the time. It would have been nice if the US and Britain had taken in more Jewish refugees rather than sending them back to Germany to die horribly, it would have been nice if the Ukrainians and French had taken a page from the Dutch and courageously protected their Jews rather than gleefully participated in their mass murder. But they didn't. Now, sixty odd years later, you're so tired of being reminded of what heartless racist scumbags you are, you find it necessary to demonize the victims of your crimes. You've invented an alternate victim on whom to heap your sympathy, leaving yourselves clear to participate once again in an attempt to annhilate the Jews. Justify it to yourself however you like. You're still a murdering fascist pig whatever purported politics you choose to camouflage it under and however you choose to defend your blatant antisemtiism.