Why no need. No it wasn't okay. That's why skating safe policy is a dangerous thing. Will move around ....

Then I take back what I said.(but I don't find anything wrong with Machida or Jeremy's scores to be honest). The thing is Mura would have been closer if his combo was clean. He got his 3T< and negative GOE. It's not Jeremy's fault that the quad guys didn't completely deliver. He went clean and this is how it turned out today. I don't see any merits in going for a quad which the skater doesn't master and almost always takes a fall(Verner, Amodio for example).

Amodio too... And with no jump + one spin missing he still manage not to finish last. 13.85 pt for two falls... Thanks wonderful COP.
Under 6.0 this would never happen. Let's not talk about Amodio 7 in performance/execution for his worst skate ever. Or 7.4 for empty choreo.

I thought Amodio was a solid one among these skaters before it started.

I'm really happy that Jeremy stopped trying quad in SP and made this new jumping layout! It worked!

It worked here because the field is relatively weak and none of them skated terribly well. The truth is, despite making only minor errors, his SP score is quite low compared to some other top men he is expected to compete against for World / Olympic podium. To me, this means this program is insufficient or to put it plainly, inadequate. Then again, Jeremy may just need a little more consistency to regain his confidence and command. Doing less is sometimes more in the long run.

To me, this means this program is insufficient or to put it plainly, inadequate. Then again, Jeremy may just need a little more consistency to regain his confidence and command. Doing less is sometimes more in the long run.

Jeremy's both programs this year are inadequate in choreography, IMO, and not up to his usual standard. So this no fall SP is quite good from him. I'm glad he didn't continue to change his quad jumping entry and try a quad in SP because he is just not able to have a quad in SP.

Originally Posted by Buttercup

Newsflash: PCS are to some extent subjective, and sometimes skaters one dislikes will get what will seem like a too-high score. Deal with it or go watch a ski event.

Why no need. No it wasn't okay. That's why skating safe policy is a dangerous thing. Will move around ....

I disagree. Until the quad is a mandatory element, nothing is wrong with a quadless winner. I prefer a winner who skates clean as opposed to a guy who wins after he wiped out the ice with his rear end following his quad attempt and defeating skaters who put out a clean program.
What is wrong IMO to give too much credit for an unsuccessful quad attempt.

The thing, though, is... Jeremy might not have needed the quad in the SP here - however he will need it later to be competitive. And as far as I've seen, the quad is not something you can take out and put in at will. If you want it to be reasonably consitent. And it's such a hard element, that, to put it in is a big deal, and liable to make the skater nervous... I think you see where I'm going with this? Is it a good thing for Jeremy to have something like that, later, to make him EXTRA nervous... ?

It worked here because the field is relatively weak and none of them skated terribly well. The truth is, despite making only minor errors, his SP score is quite low compared to some other top men he is expected to compete against for World / Olympic podium. To me, this means this program is insufficient or to put it plainly, inadequate. Then again, Jeremy may just need a little more consistency to regain his confidence and command. Doing less is sometimes more in the long run.

It worked here because the field is relatively weak and none of them skated terribly well. The truth is, despite making only minor errors, his SP score is quite low compared to some other top men he is expected to compete against for World / Olympic podium. To me, this means this program is insufficient or to put it plainly, inadequate. Then again, Jeremy may just need a little more consistency to regain his confidence and command. Doing less is sometimes more in the long run.

I disagree wallylutz, that Jeremy's program "is inadequate." It's a solid program, but he did have a bit of traveling and slowness on some of his spins (I think from nerves). Other than that, the speed and choreography, as well as the interpretation is excellent. It's one of the better sps this season, IMO. Sure if Hanyu, Fernandez, Kozuka, Chan and Dai perform all their jumps well, they are certain to be scored higher if Jeremy doesn't include a quad in his sp, but I think Jeremy's sp and especially his gorgeous fp are very competitive with these guys. I don't think Dai has stellar programs choreographically this season, unfortunately. IMO, it will come down to Jeremy performing technically well along with showing off his great artistry. Jeremy won't have enough points even should he win gold here to make it to GPF. So, I hope he does cop the gold here and goes home in a strong frame of mind to do great things at Nationals and Worlds (fingers-crossed he makes the World team).

If Chan does everything well, he has very competitive programs artistically this season, so that will likely keep Chan on the top at GPF and possibly Worlds, unless Fernandez continues to build his presentation skills, stays strong on technique and pulls another fast one against Chan at GPF. Japan Nationals will be a slugfest, but I'm thinking Hanyu, Kozuka and Dai might prevail. I think Hanyu is loved by ISU judges, but he still needs to build maturity and endurance. Kozuka is a strong skater, but I don't think he's a better skater than Jeremy Abbott (despite SA results). Dai doesn't have absolutely great programs this season, and even when he had them last season, the judges were reluctant to reward Dai, plus Dai has shown some vulnerability technically in his last GP. So, once again, I think Jeremy's sp is competitive with the top guys (maybe some think it's a weak program because the music and stylistic approach are not classical, but that shouldn't be the determining factor, IMO). Of course, Jeremy doesn't always get the reputation points because he needs to consistently prove he can do his best under pressure, and he needs a more consistent quad.