The times did it again, the left can't stop lying

The New York Times published an editorial Wednesday evening about the attack on Republicans earlier that day in which it claimed falsely that Sarah Palin incited the 2011 Tucson shooting, and that the killer had political motives.

The Times‘ editorial, “America’s Lethal Politics,” will appear in the print edition of Thursday’s newspaper. It argues that political violence will continue unless President Donald Trump and the Republicans stop opposing gun control.

Along the way, the Times claims [original link]:

Was this attack evidence of how vicious American politics has become? Probably. In 2011, when Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl, the link to political incitement was clear. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs.

However, there was no evidence of political “incitement.” First of all, the Tucson killer, Jared Loughner, was mentally disturbed and had no political motivations. As even the left-wing HuffPost reiterated Wednesday: “People said Jared Lee Loughner was motivated by politics. Reporting proved them wrong.” Second, Sarah Palin’s map was virtually identical to those used by Democrats for years, depicting targets atop contested congressional districts.

At the time, Palin called the false accusations against her a “blood libel,” and for good reason: it was a slander imputing responsibility to her for the deaths of innocents, with the sole purpose of punishing her for her beliefs.

The Times goes on to argue that “there’s no sign of incitement as direct as in the Giffords attack” in Wednesday’s shooting.

That statement is so completely false that it calls to mind George Orwell’s observation about journalism during the Spanish Civil War: “I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie.”

There is no evidence whatsoever of political incitement in the Giffords case, while there is overwhelming evidence that James T. Hodgkinson, the now-deceased attacker at the baseball diamond, nurtured a vicious hatred of Trump and Republicans and was a fan of left-wing media. And according to eyewitnesses, he asked whether the players were Republicans or Democrats before attacking.

That is not conclusive evidence of incitement — at least, not yet — but it is more persuasive than in any other recent case.

The Times‘ false equivalence between the two shootings provides a sick excuse for what Hodgkinson did by making it appear to be partially Republicans’ fault. That is worse than “fake news.” It is an effort to exploit a horrific act of violence for the purpose of stoking political divisions, reinforcing the hysteria in which Hodgkinson was steeped.

It can't be proven or disproven that the idiot was or wasn't influenced by the posting, but it is proven that the post was made.

----Loughner was a registered Independent, but, unlike James T. Hodgkinson, he didn’t leave behind an obvious political motive.His ideologies are fairly complicated, but, as CBS News noted in 2011, a former friend “wrote he (Loughner) had once been ‘very liberal’ and added, ‘he was leftwing when I knew him in hs & college, 3 years ago. So he may have changed, who knows.'” He did share some fringe views of both the extreme left and right, though, but was mentally ill and was angry at how Giffords responded to a question he asked at one of her events.

----Bryce Tierney, a friend of Loughner’s, told Mother Jones that Loughner “held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a ‘fake.’ Loughner’s animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed.” The question? “What is government if words have no meaning?”

----At the time, CNN’s Jake Tapper poked holes into the argument that the Palin map inspired Loughner.

“There’s no evidence that the shooter even heard of Sarah Palin. And Palin aide Rebecca Mansour in a podcast interview says the image was not violent,” he said during an interview.” He added, “The shooter’s motives remain unclear. One acquaintance from 2007 described him as liberal. Democrats say, regardless, the rhetoric has to be civil.”

This silly witch hunt against liberals is just that---silly. The truth is that there is a LOT wrong with both parties & one is probably not much, if any, better than the other. That being said, one can always spot a Fox Watcher who has been brainwashed into being nothing more than a political moron, dutifully spouting the made-up garbage they hear on Faux News.

And yes, Caribou Barbie Palin most assuredly DID inflame the shooter of Gabby Giffords, getting a child killed in the process. She showed a map with target crosshairs right over Giffords home town and mentioned Giffords by name. The nutcase shooter (another right wing nut) publicly admitted that he went there to kill Giffords after seeing Palin on TV.

Please stop getting your so-called "facts" from Fixed News. If you can't or won't obtain your news from legitimate sources, here's a thought: It's better to be silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.

This silly witch hunt against liberals is just that---silly. The truth is that there is a LOT wrong with both parties & one is probably not much, if any, better than the other. That being said, one can always spot a Fox Watcher who has been brainwashed into being nothing more than a political moron, dutifully spouting the made-up garbage they hear on Faux News.

And yes, Caribou Barbie Palin most assuredly DID inflame the shooter of Gabby Giffords, getting a child killed in the process. She showed a map with target crosshairs right over Giffords home town and mentioned Giffords by name. The nutcase shooter (another right wing nut) publicly admitted that he went there to kill Giffords after seeing Palin on TV.

Please stop getting your so-called "facts" from Fixed News. If you can't or won't obtain your news from legitimate sources, here's a thought: It's better to be silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.

Since we can't hear you, the stoopid garbage you typed says a lot about your Intelligence Quotient. Give us proof that a liberal loon would go to a conservative loon's website and post some factual evidence. The acquaintances of Loughner say the man was a liberal, hardly someone who would be tainted by Palin.

"The New York Times is getting a lot of justified criticism for an editorial trotting out a long-debunked theory that a map circulated by Sarah Palin had inspired the shooter who critically wounded then-Congresswoman Gabby Giffords in 2011".

As The Washington Examiner points out: "There is no proof that the Tucson shooting was inspired by the crosshairs map. There's no evidence Loughner ever saw the map or even followed Palin. The shooter reportedly didn't watch television, he didn't read the news and he didn't listen to talk radio.

"'He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the Left. He wasn't on the Right,' said Loughner's high school friendZach Osle.

"Lastly, Loughner's obsession with Giffords dates back to at least 2007, before Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., introduced Palin to the nation as his vice presidential nominee."

Yes, the Washington Examiner is considered conservative, but the facts are the facts.

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Tierney tellsMother Jonesin an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a “fake.” Loughner’s animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.” Tierney adds, “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.”

Again, to quote my earlier post. It can't be proven that the target that Palin posted influenced the idiot shooter, it can be proven that she or her PAC posted it and she approved of it. What part of that can you morons not grasp?

Again, to quote my earlier post. It can't be proven that the target that Palin posted influenced the idiot shooter, it can be proven that she or her PAC posted it and she approved of it. What part of that can you morons not grasp?

“Was this attack evidence of how vicious American politics has become? Probably. In 2011, Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a supermarket parking lot, grievously wounding Representative Gabby Giffords and killing six people, including a 9-year-old girl. At the time, we and others were sharply critical of the heated political rhetoric on the right. Before the shooting, Sarah Palin’s political action committee circulated a map of targeted electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs. But in that case no connection to the shooting was ever established.”— New York Times editorial board, June 14

This quote is from a corrected version of a New York Times editorial that had falsely claimed that the gunman in the 2011 Giffords shooting was politically incited by Palin’s political action committee. Many readers asked about the uncorrected version, which initially claimed “the link to political incitement was clear” between the gunman’s actions and the map portraying crosshairs, including one over Giffords’s congressional district in Southern Arizona.

On Jan. 11, 2011 — three days after the shooting — The Fact Checkercalled this charge “bogus.” Alas, this debunked talking point still exists.

If you tell the same lie 3 times, some people will believe it. If y'all deny something 3 times, y'all claim it didn't happen. It's in print, keep disbelieving.

Who's lying besides you? Is that what you're doing, telling the lie so many times you think others will believe you? Are you saying the articles from the lefty news outlets are lying? The NYT retracted their lie, yet you keep passing it around. She never targeted giffords to begin with, the demoslops have their target maps, and the shooter had a problem with giffords BEFORE Palin ever even ran for VP. You are pathetic, and again this is why I have no respect for you as a person or poster. You are the typical, lying, fake news spreading demoslop. Contact the lefty WP and tell them they're lying.

On Jan. 11, 2011 — three days after the shooting — The Fact Checkercalled this charge “bogus.” Alas, this debunked talking point still exists. (Because of demoslops like jt)

Then drop huffpo a line.

As even the left-wing HuffPost reiterated Wednesday: “People said Jared Lee Loughner was motivated by politics. Reporting proved them wrong.” Second, Sarah Palin’s map was virtually identical to those used by Democrats for years, depicting targets atop contested congressional districts.

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