L1:(Angela): "First of all, you don't know your son isn't gay. Second of all, why not just let them be the way they are, who they are? WHy do you have to control their PERSONALITIES? You think you're okay with gay people, but you're really not. Nice try."

"LW's husband: Divorce this idiot, take your kid, and raise him to be a happy young man. His mother will do nothing but ruin him."

Team Ang.

L1:(Dog): "If the kid has a strong, masculine role model, he'll be less likely to grow up to be gay."

OMFG. You are consistently the most ignorant person I have ever encountered, both online and IRL. But kudos to you, honey--after all, everyone has to be good at *something* <eye roll>

<quoted text>Not always.<quoted text>But the sibling isn't some stranger. They have met her "several times."<quoted text>Non-religious people need to learn to be "tolerant" of others and respect their beliefs.

OMFG. You are consistently the most ignorant person I have ever encountered, both online and IRL. But kudos to you, honey--after all, everyone has to be good at *something* <eye roll>

The truly ignorant people are the ones who don't know their facts. It has been statistically proven that many gay people have come from broken homes and many were sexually abused. Some people are "born" gay, I'm not saying they aren't. But many others are simply a "product of their environment." If you can't believe this, then you are one of the truly ignorant.

<quoted text>The truly ignorant people are the ones who don't know their facts. It has been statistically proven that many gay people have come from broken homes and many were sexually abused. Some people are "born" gay, I'm not saying they aren't. But many others are simply a "product of their environment." If you can't believe this, then you are one of the truly ignorant.

Many straight people have come from broken homes and have been abused. Is that a product of the environment?

Seriously, edog? You should really think this through. A lot of gay people, unfortunately, get a very bad reaction from their parents. Sometimes one parent accepts and the other doesn't. This causes a problem in the marriage if they cannot communicate well which is vital in a marriage. It's not b/c the kid is gay and that's the reason for the split, it's the lack of communication.

<quoted text>The truly ignorant people are the ones who don't know their facts. It has been statistically proven that many gay people have come from broken homes and many were sexually abused. Some people are "born" gay, I'm not saying they aren't. But many others are simply a "product of their environment." If you can't believe this, then you are one of the truly ignorant.

No, it has NOT been statistically proven. Ever. At all. Either you're just making shit up, or you're listening to the people who completely LIE about this stuff in order to keep some idiots such as yourself from getting any further in your evolvement.

And you are COMPLETELY WRONG that some people are made gay by their environment.

LW1: LW reminded me of the scene in "The Bird Cage" where Nathan Lane's character Albert Goldman is trying to learn how to act straight. He tries to not to crook his little finger when drinking tea and imitates John Wayne's walk. Hysterical! Maybe LW should rent the film...

2: It changes nothing. LW employs the brother. Just having met the sibling a couple of times briefly does not create a social obligation to make things "equal" for the siblings...not even a token gift is called for here. So freaking what they are both graduating. The world doesn't give a rat sass if they are treated equally all the time. In fact it is soooo unlikely that they will ever be treated equally from here on it so they might as well get used to it.

3: Frankly I don't have to respect anyone's beliefs. I *do* respect their right *to* believe whatever they want to, even if they think that a pineapple created the universe and they will face a day of judgment by a tribunal of papayas...whatever spins your beanie, but I do not have to respect the actual dogma. HOWEVER, if people want non-believers to respect their right to believe, then it is incumbent upon believers to respect my (our) right to not believe, without giving me (us) a rash ofshit about it or trying to make me (us) "see the light." So you know, "do unto others..." and all that...(that's "the golden rule"...it's in the bible)

<quoted text>No, it has NOT been statistically proven. Ever. At all. Either you're just making shit up, or you're listening to the people who completely LIE about this stuff in order to keep some idiots such as yourself from getting any further in your evolvement.And you are COMPLETELY WRONG that some people are made gay by their environment.But EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT.

Expecting him to understand these complex ideas...you know the ones that start with NOT listening to ever nut job conspiracy theory far right foil hat wearing freak is like trying to make a dent in the La Brea tar pits using a feather...

No, it has NOT been statistically proven. Ever. At all. Either you're just making shit up, or you're listening to the people who completely LIE about this stuff in order to keep some idiots such as yourself from getting any further in your evolvement.And you are COMPLETELY WRONG that some people are made gay by their environment.

You "claim" to know a lot of gay people. Do a poll. How many came from broken homes? How many were molested as children? Go ahead, prove me wrong.

I myself came from a broken home. I am the last of four children born. I was never molested :( but by most rights, I should be gay, right?

<quoted text>You "claim" to know a lot of gay people. Do a poll. How many came from broken homes? How many were molested as children? Go ahead, prove me wrong.I myself came from a broken home. I am the last of four children born. I was never molested :( but by most rights, I should be gay, right?

So to extrapolate that backwards then the gay dude uncle was gay, and his uncle was gay and....<quoted text>

Too much math.

I read a thing a few years ago, can't remember where, that said that someone with four sons has a 25% chance that one will be gay. Can't remember if it was a research paper (most likely) or what exactly, but I have two friends each with four sons and each of them have one son that's gay. <shrug>

Likely just incidental, but when I found out about them being gay (individually, I know them, but they don't know each other) it made me think about that thing I'd read and say "hmmm." <shrug again>

<quoted text>These are nothing but theories and possibilities. Nothing definitive, and certainly not PROOF of anything.

Wow. Just freaking wow.

Scientific theories do not graduate into scientific laws. Theories are rooted in facts. A theory is not just a hunch or a guess; that is a hypothesis. So these theories are not just guesses. They are conclusions reached after considerable data gathering and testing.

L1:(Dog): "If the kid has a strong, masculine role model, he'll be less likely to grow up to be gay."OMFG. You are consistently the most ignorant person I have ever encountered, both online and IRL. But kudos to you, honey--after all, everyone has to be good at *something* <eye roll>

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