They are great, I'm ignoring the fact you're not a fan of Mr Dresden I'm reading Hammered at the moment. They do actually make me laugh out loud in parts. I don't have a Kindle at the moment. I think Santa may be bringing me one.

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They are great, I'm ignoring the fact you're not a fan of Mr Dresden I'm reading Hammered at the moment. They do actually make me laugh out loud in parts. I don't have a Kindle at the moment. I think Santa may be bringing me one.

Well, if Santa delivers, gimme a shout

It's not that I'm not a fan of Dresden - I love the concept and thought the short-lived TV show was really enjoyable - but I just couldn't get past the first book which I found to be very poorly written. Someday I'll give them another shot, but they're not exactly high in my to-read list.

I've been checking out a lot of urban fantasy titles recently, which explains how I came across the Iron Druid series, and its been a bit of a mixed bag so far. Some have been really excellent, others not so much. My favourite so far by a long stretch has to be Mike Carey's Felix Castor series. I've enjoyed Carey's writing for DC/Vertigo comics, so I knew I was in good hands and he delivered the goods. Others I've enjoyed (in case you're tired of waiting for the next Jim Butcher!):

Mike Shevdon - Courts of the Feyre series (Sisty-one Nails, The Road to Bedlam and Strangeness & Charm): If you enjoyed Gaiman's Neverwhere, you'll love this - London's underground supernatural community is revealled to a man on the tube who becomes embroiled in the politics of the Feyre.

Ben Aaronovitch - Rivers of London series (Rivers of London, Moon Over Soho, Whispers Underground): The Bill meets Harry Potter, as a cop with a sensitivity to the supernatural finds himself transferred to the Met's Wizardry & Magic Division.

Mark Hodder - The Burton & Swinburne series (The Strange Affair of Spring-Heeled Jack, The Curious Case of the Clockwork Man, Expedition to the Mountains of the Moon): Steampunk meets magic with this alternative history tale from 19th Century London (London again - doesn't anything happen anywhere else? ) featuring the aforenamed adventurers.

Jonathan L Howard - Johannes Cabal series (The Necromancer, The Detective, The Fear Institute): Howard has created a great anti-hero in Cabal, a thoroughly detestable human being who sees other people as a means to an end, yet who you still cheer on. Here he deals with a Satanic pact (1st book), an Eastern European revolution (2nd book) and Lovecraftian horrors (3rd book).

Jesse Bullington - The Sad Tale Of The Brothers Grossbart & The Enterprise of Death: Most UF seems to be either Victorian steampunk or present day. These books are a welcome change, being set as they are in medieval/renaissance Europe. Darkly humourous, satirical and laced with the gothic, these are a couple of gruesome and enjoyable reads.

China Mieville - The New Crobuzon series (Perdido Street Station, The Scar, The Iron Council), The Kraken, King Rat, Un Lun Dun: Easily one of the best authors in the field as far as I'm concerned, Mieville writes with an eloquence that is practically unmatched in urban fantasy - we're talking Gaiman/Barker levels of inventiveness here! The New Crobuzon books are part sci-fi, part steampunk, part fantasy, but all essential. The others are the more routine UF approach, examining the fantastic just under the city's skin (the city being, of course, London!). I've yet to be disappointed by Mieville, and having just started the latest (Railsea), I doubt I will.

If anyone wants to make any more recommendations in this genre, I'd be glad to have them

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Every time we think we have measured our capacity to meet a challenge, we look up and we're reminded that that capacity may well be limitless

I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit.

They are great, I'm ignoring the fact you're not a fan of Mr Dresden I'm reading Hammered at the moment. They do actually make me laugh out loud in parts. I don't have a Kindle at the moment. I think Santa may be bringing me one.

Well, if Santa delivers, gimme a shout

It's not that I'm not a fan of Dresden - I love the concept and thought the short-lived TV show was really enjoyable - but I just couldn't get past the first book which I found to be very poorly written. Someday I'll give them another shot, but they're not exactly high in my to-read list.

I've been checking out a lot of urban fantasy titles recently, which explains how I came across the Iron Druid series, and its been a bit of a mixed bag so far. Some have been really excellent, others not so much. My favourite so far by a long stretch has to be Mike Carey's Felix Castor series. I've enjoyed Carey's writing for DC/Vertigo comics, so I knew I was in good hands and he delivered the goods. Others I've enjoyed (in case you're tired of waiting for the next Jim Butcher!):

Mike Shevdon - Courts of the Feyre series (Sisty-one Nails, The Road to Bedlam and Strangeness & Charm): If you enjoyed Gaiman's Neverwhere, you'll love this - London's underground supernatural community is revealled to a man on the tube who becomes embroiled in the politics of the Feyre.

Ben Aaronovitch - Rivers of London series (Rivers of London, Moon Over Soho, Whispers Underground): The Bill meets Harry Potter, as a cop with a sensitivity to the supernatural finds himself transferred to the Met's Wizardry & Magic Division.

Mark Hodder - The Burton & Swinburne series (The Strange Affair of Spring-Heeled Jack, The Curious Case of the Clockwork Man, Expedition to the Mountains of the Moon): Steampunk meets magic with this alternative history tale from 19th Century London (London again - doesn't anything happen anywhere else? ) featuring the aforenamed adventurers.

Jonathan L Howard - Johannes Cabal series (The Necromancer, The Detective, The Fear Institute): Howard has created a great anti-hero in Cabal, a thoroughly detestable human being who sees other people as a means to an end, yet who you still cheer on. Here he deals with a Satanic pact (1st book), an Eastern European revolution (2nd book) and Lovecraftian horrors (3rd book).

Jesse Bullington - The Sad Tale Of The Brothers Grossbart & The Enterprise of Death: Most UF seems to be either Victorian steampunk or present day. These books are a welcome change, being set as they are in medieval/renaissance Europe. Darkly humourous, satirical and laced with the gothic, these are a couple of gruesome and enjoyable reads.

China Mieville - The New Crobuzon series (Perdido Street Station, The Scar, The Iron Council), The Kraken, King Rat, Un Lun Dun: Easily one of the best authors in the field as far as I'm concerned, Mieville writes with an eloquence that is practically unmatched in urban fantasy - we're talking Gaiman/Barker levels of inventiveness here! The New Crobuzon books are part sci-fi, part steampunk, part fantasy, but all essential. The others are the more routine UF approach, examining the fantastic just under the city's skin (the city being, of course, London!). I've yet to be disappointed by Mieville, and having just started the latest (Railsea), I doubt I will.

If anyone wants to make any more recommendations in this genre, I'd be glad to have them

Storm Front isn't great I'll grant you if you can get past it and Fool Moon then the writing quality really picks up and Harry's world become's very rich and fulfilling.

I've read all of the Felix castor books and they are brilliant.

The spellcrackers.com series are very good set in modern day London.

The October Daye series about a changeling more PI with magic and the fae are very good.

The Dark London series I've only read the first one and am trying to get the 2nd one.

The parasol protectorate series is a steam-punk series which are worth a read.

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I've just started these and I'm halfway through Grave Peril but I feel like I've missed something, where the fuck did Michael come from? He just sort of appeared at the start of this book like they were old buddies, no mention of him in previous books and next to no back story in this one.

Any fans of urban fantasy read the Nightside books by Simon R Green? There are a dozen in the series and I've really rattled through them so far - 10 down, 2 to go! - and found them to be great fun so far. I've got them on the kindle, but as far as I know they sell as a series of 2-book omnibuses in the UK. They've evolved a lot during the series and the later books are much wittier in their approach, but if you like the traditional UF staple of the battered detective going against the supernatural, you'll be in for a treat. Especially when this particular detective has a few supernatural secrets of his own up his sleeve.

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WWLD?

Every time we think we have measured our capacity to meet a challenge, we look up and we're reminded that that capacity may well be limitless

I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit.

I've just started these and I'm halfway through Grave Peril but I feel like I've missed something, where the fuck did Michael come from? He just sort of appeared at the start of this book like they were old buddies, no mention of him in previous books and next to no back story in this one.

I'm still enjoying them though and I'm fairly flying through them.

I think there is a short story that explains Michael and you do get more of Michael & Charity's history as the series develops.Glad you're enjoying them.

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"A mother's love for her child is like nothing else in the world. It knows no law, no pity, it dares all things and crushes down remorselessly all that stands in its path."

I've just started these and I'm halfway through Grave Peril but I feel like I've missed something, where the fuck did Michael come from? He just sort of appeared at the start of this book like they were old buddies, no mention of him in previous books and next to no back story in this one.

I'm still enjoying them though and I'm fairly flying through them.

I think there is a short story that explains Michael and you do get more of Michael & Charity's history as the series develops.Glad you're enjoying them.

To be honest now, I'm not so sure. I like the idea and the story but it's Dresden himself as a character I'm not too fond of. I think it's his attempts at humour, wit or snappy answers that get to me. They just aren't as funny or smart as the author thinks they are and it's putting me off.

The predictability bugs me too. I think I'm on the fifth book and it seems that in every book he gets very tired at some point and just as he's going to get some sleep something else happens. Every. Time.

Minor criticisms but I just don't think these are for me. I think I should look into something similar but better written.

Have never thought about the repetitiveness of them before. If you go back through the last few pages you may find recommendations. Sharky's not a fan of Harry Dresden but enjoy's the Iron Druid Chronicles which are very good and very funny.

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Minor criticisms but I just don't think these are for me. I think I should look into something similar but better written.

I know you're sticking with the Dresden books, but if you're still in the market for a well-written alternative, look no further than Mike Carey's Felix Castor books which for my money have been the standard that the rest of the urban fantasy writers should aspire to. If you're a comic fan, you'll hopefully already be familiar with Carey's writing (and if not check out Lucifer, his Sandman-linked series). Well good!

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WWLD?

Every time we think we have measured our capacity to meet a challenge, we look up and we're reminded that that capacity may well be limitless

I left in love, in laughter, and in truth and wherever truth, love and laughter abide, I am there in spirit.

Minor criticisms but I just don't think these are for me. I think I should look into something similar but better written.

I know you're sticking with the Dresden books, but if you're still in the market for a well-written alternative, look no further than Mike Carey's Felix Castor books which for my money have been the standard that the rest of the urban fantasy writers should aspire to. If you're a comic fan, you'll hopefully already be familiar with Carey's writing (and if not check out Lucifer, his Sandman-linked series). Well good!

I'm about halfway through so far. I am finding the glut of film references and quotes are starting to really grate on me. I don't remember there being so many in his previous books and there are just too many within this particular book. That said even though I have read all the previous books I have just realised that very little of them has actually stuck in my mind on any level and I am struggling to remember events which they are referring to.

So was reading a sample chapter of a book called Fated by Benedict Jacka and it had this line in it.

"Most mages rely on word of mouth, though younger ones use the internet. I've even heard of one guy in Chicago who advertises in the phone book under "Wizard", though that's probably an urban legend.

I sqeeed like a fangirl. So that's 3 references to Harry I know off in different forms.

I couldn't help but notice that reference either Harley, had a chuckle to myself. On another note I received a review copy of Cold Days and it's a cracking read as always.

I read it to my Mum who went "ohh it's Harry!"

@Sharky Felix Castor it fantastic. My only "problem" with them is he references a hell of a lot of places I know well in London the Tram tunnel in High Holborn being the main one and I can't walk past it in the dark now. Much to Mr HQ's amusement.

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First in a series, this is a fast-paced, brutal depiction of a post-zombie apocalypse world

I don't want to hijack this thread, but just to let you know I'm about halfway through Autumn. Not a lot happened yet to be honest but I've got a feeling it's just scene setting/tension building at the moment. I'd also recommend:

I loved it, far better than Ghost Story and i thought it was a genuine return to form, can't wait to see where the Winter Knight story is going to go. What did you dislike about it?

Also, JB has announced his latest series which is going to be a steampunk kind of thing apparently.

*Hangs head in shame*

Sorry.

It was better than Ghost Story I grant you. I don't know what I disliked... I think the whole issue with Lea never felt resolved, the issue with Molly just felt like a regurgitation of what happened with the other "lady" The Island was a fab idea but needed more information. It felt like maybe too much was happening and too many stories in one book. So nothing was made clear and not in the good "ohh JB has answered five of my questions but has given me ten more." The pop culture quotes were too many and felt like padding.

I saw that about the stream punk series. I've read a couple of good steam punk series so this intrigues me.

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