At this point, I think we can realize that Daves machine is not going to perform like the US version. His machine has a larger heater. As far as the flex goes. To me, it looked like the portafilter was locked in pretty gently;with two fingers almost.

At this point, I think we can realize that Daves machine is not going to perform like the US version. His machine has a larger heater. As far as the flex goes. To me, it looked like the portafilter was locked in pretty gently;with two fingers almost.

At this point, I think we can realize that Daves machine is not going to perform like the US version. His machine has a larger heater. As far as the flex goes. To me, it looked like the portafilter was locked in pretty gently;with two fingers almost.

OK well I could not easily tell, you could be right....I know there is absolutely no issue I am concerned about on the UK machine. Sure there is movement, but it's the normal what you would expect...steel does flex very slightly, it's what makes it such a versatile material. I think you need to look at what the machine does, how it works, the entire package, which for me on the UK machine was better than anything else I had tested, and I've tested a lot of machines. Theres also stuff I have not touched upon here, which will be in my review.

The second part about a US and UK machine is also a good point....I don't know about the US version, but I would think you can safely trust CC judgement. The UK machine in party mode will not have a problem, no single user is going to outrun the machine. As for all the talk about the Vivaldis...they only have a 500ml brew boiler, so if they can cope...why would you believe this wont.

OK well I could not easily tell, you could be right....I know there is absolutely no issue I am concerned about on the UK machine. Sure there is movement, but it's the normal what you would expect...steel does flex very slightly, it's what makes it such a versatile material. I think you need to look at what the machine does, how it works, the entire package, which for me on the UK machine was better than anything else I had tested, and I've tested a lot of machines. Theres also stuff I have not touched upon here, which will be in my review.

The second part about a US and UK machine is also a good point....I don't know about the US version, but I would think you can safely judge CC judgement. The UK machine in party mode will not have a problem, no single user is going to outrun the machine. As for all the talk about the Vivaldis...they only have a 500ml brew boiler, so if they can cope...why would you believe this wont.

OK well I could not easily tell, you could be right....I know there is absolutely no issue I am concerned about on the UK machine. Sure there is movement, but it's the normal what you would expect...steel does flex very slightly, it's what makes it such a versatile material. I think you need to look at what the machine does, how it works, the entire package, which for me on the UK machine was better than anything else I had tested, and I've tested a lot of machines. Theres also stuff I have not touched upon here, which will be in my review.

The second part about a US and UK machine is also a good point....I don't know about the US version, but I would think you can safely judge CC judgement. The UK machine in party mode will not have a problem, no single user is going to outrun the machine. As for all the talk about the Vivaldis...they only have a 500ml brew boiler, so if they can cope...why would you believe this wont.

GAH!I just got word from my retailer that my machine won't ship for another 12 days now.I ordered on the 5th with a 10 day quote for delivery (I was happy to call that working days - so I was expecting arrival at the end of this week)

Excuse is a delay at the factory - they must be busy cranking out units for the CCS preorders and a bunch of units for the UK due to all the hype from you Dave :)

At least I know it'll be fresh off the production line - with the latest improvements.I may even get to read the review before it lands.

I just hope they don't cut any corners on QC to rush them out.I should ask my retailer to ask QM to put in the LED's for me due to the delay.

Not sure what the discussion really is here, but if the 800 watt brew boiler is the concern, I don't think there is anything to worry about. I made some quick calculations and assuming that you use 4oz of water to preheat the brew head and pull the shot, recovery time for a 140 degree F temperature rise is less than one minute. I arrived at the 140 F temperature rise by assuming a inlet water temperature of 60F and a brew temperature of 200F. I know I am not fast enough to pull a shot a minute. I think the B2 is actually rated for 20 shots per hour... which is one every three minutes... fast enough for me.

Do you know if the very first "proper" way is the way the preinfusion works on the 2B? I will paste that paragraph below. I wish he had mentioned whether that works when the machine is not plumbed in.

---------Firstly, the E61 has built in pre-infusion, in the lower chamber of the group there is a preinfusion chamber and while this fills the pressure to the coffee puck is lower measured with a pressure measuring portafilter. This chamber is sealed with a weak spring seal that lets by at around 4 bar. The chamber fills very quickly a matter of a few seconds for a rotary and a little longer for a vibration pump. The idea of this is to prevent the shock of 9 bar water hitting the coffee puck in the portafilter and allow a more gradual ramp up of pressure. this is by design, this is correct and it works well.----------

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