Hudak-Horwath Alliance? PC-NDP Productive Partnership?

The plan would enhance current legislation aimed at eliminating grow-ops and meth labs…

At the start of this campaign, the Ontario NDP and Liberal platforms did not make any specific promises with regard to drug crime initiatives. When the first media reports came out a month ago, Tim Hudak and the Progressive Conservatives received scathing replies from some notable Cannabis Culture contributors.

Med Pot Marc asked on Treating Yourself “Does Hudak also want a registry for other house owners with any type of criminal record? It’s like saying..’hey, don’t buy this house because it used to be owned by a bank robber, a murderer, a women abuser, a pedophile, etc’..”
http://treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46714

Nicole Seguin from eNDProhibtion submitted in response to the Grow-Op registry that “It is beyond hypocritical of Tim Hudak to admit he has used marijuana… Mr. Hudak was fortunate to avoid police and court action for his behavior; others deserve not to have their lives destroyed either.
http://endprohibition.ca/group/endprohibition/ontario-tory-leader-admits-he-smoked-pot

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath’s staff replied to an email asking if she has smoked pot with a terse “yes” but declined to provide further details.

And then, in the Toronto Sun, NDP leader Andrea Horwath is on the record saying she is “open to Tory coalition”, adding that their campaign and platforms are similar. Hudak-Horwath Alliance? PC-NDP productive partnership?

Hudak Helper, Just add Horwath

And then, the next day in Northern Ontario, a Progressive Conservative call for a registry on houses used for grow-ops or meth labs got a nod of approval from the NDP. NDP Candidate Steve Mantis Thunder Bay-Superior North said in support of the PC Grow-Op proposal “it could be expanded to include all existing problems with the home….” And just look at the quote from the Mantis throwing more fuel on the Grow-Op Meth-Lab Registry. Another Boondoggle, like the long gun registry, the NDP wants all existing problems with your home to be in the PC registry, all available online to the public.

Do you have too many cars in the driveway or on the road, got a broken step or building a deck without a permit, is your shed the right size, pool or fence problems, dog complaints, are you up to date on your property taxes, talk about a neighbor against neighbor, rat out registry…

Med Pot Marc seems to agree “Such registry makes it look like the former house owner has a criminal record..” However, Matt Mernagh spent at least a half hour trying to argue that an PC-NDP minority is doable. Now, no matter what the NDP does, it seems cannabis activists will continue to support this socialist party.

NDP likes more building projects and job creation, and the pc’s will give them new prisons and workers. Great strategy to keep power. NDP will be the TORY kingmakers, just like the federal NDP sided with Harper and voted for Drug Driving Legislation. Horwath will partner with Hudak for Grow Op registry and Prison Boom employment… Its a perfect marriage, PC~NDP, more workers in Ontario, but it will be Chain Gangs and Prison Guards, Drug Dealers and Vice Cops…

The facts, like the history of NDP coalitions with PC neo cons, propping up their agenda, and voting for it. For instance, we have new Criminal Code offenses and far more police powers thanks to the federal NDP CON alliance, Drug Driving, Possession while operating a motor vehicle, etc. Bill C-32 (drug-impaired-driving bill) was combined with other crime-related bills into one “omnibus” bill (Bill C-2) that was passed and given “royal assent” in 2008.
http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/druggeddriving.html

That’s what the NDP-CON coalition gave us working together in drug reform to prop up Tory governments. With Tim Hudak name dropping Rob Nicholson everyday, two Niagara buddies, Hudak to wants to repeat Bill C-10 in Ontario, his Grow Op Registry is just the beginning. Our enemies are promising it, and our former allies are making statements that they will join them in a coalition, and history shows they’ll do it. Don’t believe me, you might be surprised to learn Horwath and Hudak have voted together 183 times in the legislature. From my experience watching, these bed fellows are absolutely working together. You can look at the summary at www.thevotingrecord.ca

A vote for Horwath is a vote for Hudak.

A vote for Horwath is a vote for Hudak. This support, would allow Hudak’s PCs and Horwath’s NDP to take the province down the wrong track. I believe in coalitions, but they talk about needing more bipartisanship, and I say we have too much compromise which really just endorses big government corporatism.

I am still a little shocked that no one in the Cannabis Culture, and I mean no one, has come out against Andrea Horwath and the NDP. Before any of this NDP-PC garbage started, Marc Emery wrote “I am very impressed with Federal Liberal leader Bob Rae’s complete denunciation of the war on drugs as a complete failure…” As if the NDP back stab wasn’t enough, the Grow-op registry gets a nod from the Liberals too.
http://thegiantnews.blogspot.com/2011/09/grow-op-registry-get-nod-from-all.html

Liberal incumbent Michael Gravelle recently said the Liberal plan is aimed at eliminating grow-ops and meth labs and extend the hours of the busiest drug Courts in Ontario.. Ontario PC Leader Tim Hudak said “The McGuinty Liberals have refused to create a public registry of meth labs and grow ops. The only people who seem to be opposed to a grow op and meth lab registry are Dalton McGuinty and the criminals who run the grow ops. Unlike Dalton McGuinty, Tim Hudak will not help criminals hide their actions. If a criminal has used a home as a grow op Tim Hudak will ensure families know about it before they put the health and safety of their children at risk.”

In a strange twist of irony, Matt Hudson posted on Facebook that “Dalton McGuinty wants me to like him. I wish there was a dislike button!” When Davin Christensen replied “Would you prefer Tim Hudak? I’d be clicking a strategic “Like” on McGuinty…” Matt Hudson concluded “no I’ll probably vote Horwath she wants to eliminate hst from diesel and gas.” When I posted the NDP position on the Grow-Op registry, I got no reply.

It’s as if everyone is blind to the obvious, a vote for Horwath is a vote for Hudak. So, what can one do?

Above all, do not maintain support of those proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined and, usually, contradictory political goals, in order to do something. It means that you help the victory of your enemies and the defeat of your ideas. To support such superficial political action is bound to fail.

Erin Ashley Gorman asked Matt Mernagh to “get your NDP Candidate for Davenport Jonah Schein to post a statement that he will not support Horwath’s coalition with Hudak on the Grow Op & Meth Lab Registry…” finishing “…Show Chris that fact, or the proof of his argument will be in your candidates omission on this topic.”

Matt Mernagh acts like a WWE style manager, asking Tim Hudak to come to his Legal Grow Op. Now that Horwath turned Heel, maybe Mernagh will do another livestream video.

Christopher Goodwin is Freedom Party’s candidate in the riding of Toronto Centre. Studied law at Mohawk College, and political science at McMaster University.
Chris lives in the riding of Toronto Centre, where he manages the popular downtown lounge Vapor Central.
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There are Freedom Party candidates running in more than enough ridings across Ontario to form the government. Simply placing an X in the circle next to your Freedom Party candidate’s name on the ballot is the most effective way of taking charge and putting an end to this Grow-Op Registry.

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Comments

17 Comments

Cryptlord9999 on
October 19, 2011 10:59 pm

I dont see what the problem is with allowing people to have access to information on whether or not the home they wish to purchase was once a meth/grow house. Personally i smoke and i wouldnt care if a house i purchased had been used as a grow house by the previous owner, providing it was kept sanitary and clean and there are no problems such as molds/bacteria/humidity damage. Now if i was informed that the house i was considering purchasing had previously been used as a meth house, now this would be of concern to me, id want to make sure the house was properly tested for toxic chemicals etc. Id much rather have access to information for my own safety and peace of mind, then not know i purchased a house that had toxic levels of chemicals used in the production of meth or other drugs. It has nothing to do with people wanting to prevent the sale of homes that were used in such operations as it is about access and the right to ALL the information, from when the home was built and what materials where used etc to knowing if it had been used as a drug house and if there are any problems such as structural problems or wiring being played with by growers trying to wire breakers and grow rooms that go beyond their own electrician skills and can create fire hazards etc. Now i would have no problem purchasing a home that had been a meth lab if i knew before hand and could have it inspected. But if i were to find out later on that the home i purchased had been a meth lab and i was denied access to that information, even if the home was completely safe and sanitary to live in, this would anger me, for its not the fact it was a meth lab that matters, but the access and right to information is what is important. Also allowing people access to this information in no way, shape or form implies that the one selling the house has a criminal record, it is merely a true statement that may or may not effect a persons choice to purchase a home. Now the reason this information should be shared is simple, houses are not designed to act as greenhouses and therefore should not be treated like one, i dont care if u grow indoors because for the most part it does not harm the home unless the home was converted to be a “factory” for growing, thus changing it from a home with a room of plants and some lights, to an industrial grow complex. If you want to grow on such large scales then do it in buildings that are built to withstand the high humidity, heat and power/water consumption of such an operation, not a building designed as your living quarters. I just do not understand how having a list of homes stating it was used as a former grow house//meth lab is detrimental? If someone doesnt want to purchase a home that was formerly used as a grow house//meth lab because it was a drug house, is it not their constitutional right to access the information that would allow them to make that decision? And is it not the sellers responsibility to provide ALL information that the possible home purchaser should have about the home? Who seeks to lose here? Obviously there should be certain exceptions, like a small time grower with 6 plants under 1 or 2 lights would not be considered a “grow op”, it should only pertain to large scale operations in which the home was not used as a home. Though i do agree not everyone with a few plants should be on a grow op registry, i do agree with them only for the reason that people deserve access to information.

Guitarod on
October 9, 2011 9:07 pm

A fair law would make it legal to grow 5 plants or less inside, or 5 outside without a fine or a criminal record. This could certainly be classified as for personal use, while pursuing large grow ops that may or may not be involved in organized crime.
Unfortunately our government does not have a fair justice system & only wants to punish all, including those that share, which is what the culture is about.
So American.

Erin Ashley Gorman on
October 3, 2011 1:59 am

Mernahuana Matt Mernagh
@VaporCentral well then u should know i put a few calls in the issue for sum is show me the votes which i cant find compared to realtors
54 seconds ago

I know Matt put in a few calls, that was the point in asking what the reply was, it sounds like the NDP wants Mernagh to prove there is MORE votes in supporting cannabis growers than attacking them, which he cant find. So the NDP and I are in a curious situation, what does a marijuana activist like Matt Mernagh do, when the NDP tells him they will vote YES to Marijuana Grow Operations (MGOs) Registry, and he still supports them> Geezzz, the NDP must thing marijuana activists are fools…

Christopher Goodwin on
October 3, 2011 1:50 am

I finally got a response from NDP member Matt Mernagh http://twitter.com/#!/Mernahuana. I asked @Mernahuana WHAT ever happened to the @AndreaHorwath NDP Interview on the Grow-Op Registry? cannabisculture.com/v2/node/28493 Did you get a bad response?

LOL definitely worth your time to read every post i write, watch every livestream i produce, you troll and post negative shit everywhere i am, and ive never seen or heard a single positive contribution from you, but as soon as the facts show your hypocrisy, the silence is deafening, and attacks a many… So very predictable. I wonder how your ndp candidate voting for the grow-op registry will taste after the election?

Brian Kerr on
October 2, 2011 9:18 pm

I agree.

It is a absolute human right to grow and ingest any plant we wish to.
Period, end of F*cking story. For all time!

Roy Berger on
October 2, 2011 3:21 am

I don’t mind having someone around who has the stones to stand up to Stephen Harper. Marc Emery had the stones to stand up to Harper and he was catapulted into a foreign prison. I suspect McGuinty is better insulated. I don’t know if Hudak has the stones but he did say he use to be a stoner. He regrets it now, he says, but Marc Emery is doing his time for that.

Sometimes, I have occasion to talk to today’s teens and young adults. I wonder what to say to them, I hate to think of nothing because, as a grown up now, I have the right to be annoying and ramble on while they think about rolling their eye balls. If today’s post-modern youth hang anywhere, it’s here so I’d like to say this to them:

Think about all the strife and madness that’s taken place on Earth as we search. Think about the goals and the means used in countries and times around the world. Think of their desires, the search for the black rose, the inventions.

Now imagine for a moment, let’s say you live in a magical time and place in history where you can say what you want, read what you want, look at what you want, travel without permission, publish without license, denounce an Official. Imagine if you lived in a time where you could just turn on a tap and get clean water, sleep where it’s warm and have leisure time. Imagine if you lived in a time and lived a pretty odd lifestyle or looked different and it would be illegal for a mob to chase you down in the street.

What if you lived in a time where you could pretty much contact anyone for a nickle? Imagine if you lived in a time, that would make every single one of your ancestors laugh, where you didn’t have to spend every moment gathering fuel and heat to survive. Imagine if you lived in a day where you didn’t get pregnant every time you had sex and you could rely on the State if you mate disappointed you.

Imagine a time where any adult could put their name in the hat to become a State official and any adult could vote for or against them and, no matter what happened, you would still be safe from the loser or winner kicking down your door.

If a portion of humanity ever reached that stage in social evolution and you were born in such a magical lucky time and place, if you could imagine such a thing – what would you do with that time? What would make sense to the knights, peasants, cave dwellers, warriors, royalty and artists of the past? All that they strove for so that you could…

In a strange twist of irony, Matt Hudson posted on Facebook that “Dalton McGuinty wants me to like him. I wish there was a dislike button!” When Davin Christensen replied “Would you prefer Tim Hudak? I’d be clicking a strategic “Like” on McGuinty…” Matt Hudson concluded “no I’ll probably vote Horwath she wants to eliminate hst from diesel and gas.” When I posted the NDP position on the Grow-Op registry, I got no reply.

I guess my name taste pretty good in your mouth doesn’t it you fucking jack off? Nobody responded to you cause you’re not worth our time.

Anonymous on
September 30, 2011 11:49 pm

Think about what that means to say “The only registry needed is for who has an exemption, so the cops can’t say they didn’t know when they invaded their home. It should be accessible only to law enforcement.” It also implies The registry is needed for when each exemption expires, so the cops can say they knew when to invade their home…accessible to law enforcement in real time.

They could even know the exact minute the exemption runs out, and you’d have officers at your door.

And then you say “Of course, with the new rules that the Tories are working on, nobody will be able to legally grow at home anyway.” Why not reverse it, let everybody legally grow at home with an exemption anyway, and regulate, with a registry…

My position is a simple one. Exemptions from unjust laws, make the injustice last longer. By not vigorously protesting such a law in the first place on moral grounds, patients find themselves in a weakened position, accepting an unjust law as long as it has an exemption for them? Exemptions do not just tacitly condone the states use of force. They positively approve it. An unjust law is a code that one group compels another group to obey, but does not make binding on itself. However, we are the Cannabis Culture, and the will of free people will out last the loyalty of the aggressors to tyranny.

Anonymous on
September 30, 2011 9:36 pm

The only registry needed is for who has an exemption, so the cops can’t say they didn’t know when they invaded their home. It should be accessible only to law enforcement. Of course, with the new rules that the Tories are working on, nobody will be able to legally grow at home anyway. Only companies licensed by Health Canada will be able to grow and then they will be able to dictate the prices, which will be about the same or higher than street prices and the quality will be lower. Then Health Canada will be sued for still not making Cannabis available at an affordable price, thus making it inaccessible to disabled people on fixed incomes. Health Canada should be forced by law to import cheap weed from Africa for about $20 a kilo and then resell it for about $1 per ounce.

Here’s a good Freedom Party slogan; Freedom Party, we don’t collaborate with Tories, Liberals or any other major political Party, because we don’t agree with anything they say and we think Canada deserves better, unlike the NDP.Whether or not the majority will vote for us, we will not compromise on out commitment to a free and just society in the nation of Canada, a notion foreign to the major Parties. And, no, we’re not for sale to the unions or the big corporations either. Sorry. We may never govern in a nation of sheep, but at least we will hold the wolves to account.

Anonymous on
September 28, 2011 11:25 pm

So the Ontario NDP leader says the NDP wants to collaborate with the Nazis, er, I mean the Tories, huh? Why doesn’t that surprise me? First they hold up the mail by running their mouths in Parliament for several days, now this. I really am beginning to despise the NDP immensely, even more than when they held up my shipment because they are in the pockets of the unions.

Anonymous on
September 28, 2011 9:46 pm

Great article, VOTE FREEDOM ONTARIO!

Anonymous on
September 28, 2011 2:18 pm

What about a registry for everybody who grows any plant indoors under lights, like tomatoes or orchids? They use the same equipment, why the double standard? And what about a registry for houses that had tobacco addicts living and using in it? That’s a lot more dangerous than hydro growing. That smoke scum gets in the walls and promotes mold.

Christopher Goodwin on
September 28, 2011 8:15 am

Member Statements: Creating a Marijuana Grow Operations Registry

After meeting with REALTOR(R) representatives during OREA’s annual Political Affairs Conference, Timmins–James Bay NDP MPP Gilles Bisson speaks in favor of the creation of a Marijuana Grow Operations (MGOs) Registry.