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Re: My All-Star ballot

Goldschmidt is having a much better year this year so far. If Votto beats him out it is because he is the known name. Sure, Votto has a higher OBA... but I pick all stars on BA HR RBI, not walks, WAR, or inflated OPS because of 50+ walks.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Originally Posted by Don Cameron

Goldschmidt is having a much better year this year so far. If Votto beats him out it is because he is the known name. Sure, Votto has a higher OBA... but I pick all stars on BA HR RBI, not walks, WAR, or inflated OPS because of 50+ walks.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Originally Posted by Don Cameron

Goldschmidt is having a much better year this year so far. If Votto beats him out it is because he is the known name. Sure, Votto has a higher OBA... but I pick all stars on BA HR RBI, not walks, WAR, or inflated OPS because of 50+ walks.

The Don has spoken

Don Cameron
Take the canoli

You should vote on All-Stars by picking the best player. That includes EVERYTHING that the player does on the field. Not just BA/HR/RBI. It includes every plate appearance they make, their base running skills (steals/caught stealing/ability to advance bases on hits) and their fielding. Anything that ignores that is missing the boat.

And just for the record, you can't inflate OPS because of walks. Walks are a part of the game and a valuable part at that because they are a non-out and non-outs improve the chances your team can score. You can only win a game if you score. Scoring is vital. Making non-out plate appearances does a lot for that. Don't ignore the non-out because it isn't as sexy as some other preferred non-outs. The walk isn't as valuable as other non-outs, but it is certainly still valuable and to ignore it is to just buried your head in the sand.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Walks are important, to an extent. However, they do impact the OPS because they add to on-base percentage. So, if you take away Votto's 25 more walks, then his OPS is lowered. Furthermore, with 328 plate appearances, Goldschmidt has been on base 125 times this year and has scored 52 runs while knocking in 67 with a .957 ops.

Votto, on the otherhand....with 357 plate appearances, has reached base 153 times, has scored ONLY three more runs than Goldschmidt, and has 29 less rbi's but he has a .956 ops.

So, do you see any flaw in OPS there? Goldschmidt is outperforming Votto.

In the end I guess it really depends on what you look for in a three hitter. I, myself, would like a three hitter to DRIVE in runs. If a man is in scoring position, I would expect my three hitter to expand the zone to get the RBI, and not settle for a walk. But, perhaps Votto does that, which would help to explain a pace of striking out over 160 times this season.

Votto's numbers would be good for a lead ofg or two hitter, but for the three hitter? Come on, man.

But, hey if you guys think a three hitter should not be an rbi man, and walk over 100 times with no real stolen base threat, then who am I to judge.

I, myself, believe that he needs to drive in runs...

Don Cameron
Sabermetricians would argue for Adam Dunn in hall of fame.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Originally Posted by Don Cameron

Walks are important, to an extent. However, they do impact the OPS because they add to on-base percentage. So, if you take away Votto's 25 more walks, then his OPS is lowered. Furthermore, with 328 plate appearances, Goldschmidt has been on base 125 times this year and has scored 52 runs while knocking in 67 with a .957 ops.

Votto, on the otherhand....with 357 plate appearances, has reached base 153 times, has scored ONLY three more runs than Goldschmidt, and has 29 less rbi's but he has a .956 ops.

So, do you see any flaw in OPS there? Goldschmidt is outperforming Votto.

In the end I guess it really depends on what you look for in a three hitter. I, myself, would like a three hitter to DRIVE in runs. If a man is in scoring position, I would expect my three hitter to expand the zone to get the RBI, and not settle for a walk. But, perhaps Votto does that, which would help to explain a pace of striking out over 160 times this season.

Votto's numbers would be good for a lead ofg or two hitter, but for the three hitter? Come on, man.

But, hey if you guys think a three hitter should not be an rbi man, and walk over 100 times with no real stolen base threat, then who am I to judge.

I, myself, believe that he needs to drive in runs...

Don Cameron
Sabermetricians would argue for Adam Dunn in hall of fame.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Originally Posted by 757690

They are having identical years so far in terms of production. Almost the same OPS, and the same WAR.

Which tells you how insignificant those stats can be at times. Joey is my favorite Red since Junior, but you can't ignore the other numbers. What about Joey's defense this year? Or his BA w/RISP and two outs? I love the guy, and it's great that he is again all-star game worthy, but he isn't at his best lately.

"I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

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Re: My All-Star ballot

I want my first basemen to be a bonafide power hitter not a virtual 2 hole hitter that specializes in getting on base. Goldschmidt all day for me.

Plus there isn't anybody that can convince me 100 walks is better than 30 home runs.

30 HR's are worth about the same as 100 walks.

According to Tom Tango, a walk is worth .35 runs and a HR is worth 1.42 runs. That means 100 walks are worth 35 runs and 30 HR's are worth 42 runs. That's assuming they are accomplished in the same situations. That is, the same number times with no runners on base, with one runner one, with two on, and with the bases loaded. So it is possible for 100 walks to be worth more than 30 HR's if most of the HR's are solo shots. And the reverse is true.

Re: My All-Star ballot

Below is a part of article from Chicago Tribune

“There is certainly a snakebit quality to it with respect to our timing,” team President Theo Epstein said. “But to me the biggest factor is our inability to draw walks and to get on base overall. On-base skills translate to run-scoring much more than slugging skills.
“To be blunt, we haven’t made much progress improving the on-base skills of some of the players here. If we can’t make improvements with the existing group, we will have to be even more aggressive acquiring players with on-base skills.”

Almost every team's GM would know the above fact.
Of course, home run looks good. But it is not as significant as it looks.
We are not children to whom home run is everything. We are adults. Right?

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