I do. Let me call him. So you didn't find either of the two cleanouts? What about a clean out on an outside wall of the house towards the front? One way to locate is push a metal fishtape down the pipe and use a metal detector. I'd try the witching sticks as well. You're in Temecula?

ok, I'll give him a call in a little while. One of his guys lives here in Upland and I may be able to just borrow some stuff from him or use him. Chris is pretty close out there by you too....out by DVR. I'll let you know what I come up with.