Comments on: Whose Side Are We On?http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/
a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justiceSat, 27 Sep 2014 17:28:19 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: Don Hawkinshttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80642
Thu, 03 Feb 2011 12:04:51 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80642Here’s when this might come into play if we wish to survive.

“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.”
Albert Einstein

So far what we see and hear is complex illusion help’s with the counting of a few and how long about 10k years should cover it. It’s a tuff one.

]]>By: Deadbeathttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80640
Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:24:29 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80640Really not all that hard to understand if we can look through the messages the illusion of knowledge.

Which is why you have to include a broad spectrum of perspectives and weigh them carefully to gain the experience in order to filter out the bullshit to find the truth.

What’s going on in Egypt cannot be boiled down to bland economics Don. Mubarak “wealth” stolen from the Egyptian people can be made back. This is about Liberation from Zionism and their Arab quislings that has retarded Arab development.

Once Arabs can free themselves from Zionist tyranny carried out VIA U.S. policy then the people of the Arab world will be able to develop their societies. I didn’t hear Noam today but if he put the liberation movement into terms of “short-term profits” he is just spinning the Chomskyite narrative of deflection while minimizing the importance of the movement.

It’s difficult to take Noam seriously since he himself admits to being emotionally tied to Zionism and a supporter of Israel. I’d suggest Don that you broaden your sources of information and take a look at Press TV where you can here emotional Arabs not situated or emotionally tied to the United States provide a much broader perspectives of the REVOLUTION in Egypt that is not limited to solely economic considerations.

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Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:47:07 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80634President Hosni Mubarak’s power may have visibly crumbled before the world on Jan. 25 when protesters took to the streets of Cairo, but his personal wealth will likely be intact when he leaves office as pledged at the end of the year, or sooner if the crowds have their way. ABC

New York – Less than three years after the financial sector was brought to the brink of collapse, bankers on Wall Street are once again making more money than ever.

The 25 largest financial firms paid their employees a record total of 135 billion dollars last year, up 6 per cent from 2009, The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday. Salaries and bonuses had fallen to 112 billion dollars in 2008.

About one third of financial firms’ revenues went into worker earnings. The average Wall Street banker enjoyed earnings of 141,000 dollars, up 3 per cent.

Part of the expansion came from firms hiring new workers as the US financial sector has stabilized. The salaries varied widely – from an average of 431,000 dollars for Goldman Sachs employees to 257,000 dollars at rival Morgan Stanley. M&C

The show must go on is it. Let’s see 135 billion and how much money from Corporations to MSM for messages you know messages. Then of course more money to elected official’s for guess what more messages. BAU the show must go on with messages and the messages we see and hear on a scale between one and ten are about .05 and yes that could be pushing it. Just on the off chance that’s true seem’s like a total waste of time, money and energy. Why is the question again Noam put it well; All done while pursuing their institutional role: maximizing short-term profit and putting aside externalities. We could add while keeping as many people as possible in La La land, Oz. Can only imagine the messages coming up in the present State of the Union and or Earth.

However the truth won’t budge. It is NOT ok at the mainstream level to criticize US policy

You are right Hue the truth won’t budge but my critique is NOT ABOUT the “mainstream level”. My critique is about the pseudo-Left and their unwillingness to face the truth about the power of Zionism in the U.S. and how the control of U.S. policy by Zionism has affected in this case the Arab world. What we are witnessing is a massive response against the yoke of that tyranny.

In fact Hue you again are shown to be incorrect in your assumption about critiquing U.S. policy. The Tea Party is a result of the critique of U.S. policy especially policy surrounding the bailout of the banks. The rise of the Tea Party has tremendously upset the “Left” that they report about the Koch Brother as being the funding source of the Tea Party while ignoring the Haim Saban and his near complete buyout of the Brookings Institute and funding of the Democrats — at levels that exceeds many corporations.

Clearly what was inconvenient about Churchill’s remarks was the TIMING of his remarks — right after 9-11. Since many more “mainstream” Americans are angry with the government today is remarks are likely to be more accepted.

Thus Hue we finally stand in agreement. The TRUTH WON’T BUDGE!

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Thu, 03 Feb 2011 04:21:14 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80626DB,
I obviously understood your point and your negotiating at least tells me you now grasp what’s being said to you… However the truth won’t budge. It is NOT ok at the mainstream level to criticize US policy. Stand corrected or not, Ward Churchill and others have already proven that
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Thu, 03 Feb 2011 02:56:40 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80621Perhaps you didn’t understand my point Hue. Obama DID NOT dump Wright for his “chicken come home to roost” remark. He gave a speech in Philedephia essentially “excusing” Wright remark as a “poor choice of words” and used his White grandmother stereotypical fears of people of color as an offset. Recall Hue that Obama was praised for his speech.

What forced Obama to dump Wright was his DEFENSE of Louis Farrakhan stance against Zionism.

Thus my point was that the “chicken come home to roost” remark has LESS weight than a stance against Zionism. It’s OK to criticize the U.S policy but it’s NOT OK to defend the U.S. against Zionism.

DB, you are the one who is confused but I am certainly not trying to do it to you.

I think much points to Israel having a huge hand if not directing 9-11. I brought up Ward to show you that however wrong “chickens coming home to roost” may be , it is not an allowed narrative either and he suffered greatly for saying it even though he said nothing about Farrakhan. You can make your points (many with which I agree) without being such a fanatic. The truth doesn’t need dressing up.

“chickens coming home to roost” may upset your sense of cause and effect, but even if that’s not why 9-11 occurred (I have my doubts), suggesting it is is not allowed. Wright could have condemned Farrakhan for being an evil anti-Semite and he was still going to (and already did) get a severe tongue lashing–Ward Churchill dealt with more severe problems than that

As usual Hue your assumptions, assertions, and arguments are incorrect. The narrative that you defend actually doesn’t “upset [my] sense of cause and effect” because it is not about me it is about Zionism and actually the explanation you defend fits right into the Chomskyite narrative of “U.S. Imperialism ™” that diverts attention AWAY FROM the underlying INFLUENCE OF American policy in the Middle East — ZIONISM.

You need to take a listen to Press TV and listen to the analysis there. The Egyptian interviewee there are unafraid to say that they are tired of taking their orders from Tel Aviv. The American Left is afraid to say that and therefore are spinning a misleading narrative.

I don’t know why you’ve introduced Ward Churhill in my remarks about Jeremiah Wright. Obama didn’t abandon Wright based on any mention or ties regarding Churchill. Churchill wasn’t part of the media crucifixion of Wright. So you have your facts totally WRONG.

Wright defended Farrakhan for his leadership within the African American community and his stance against Zionism. It was when Wright mention Zionism that forced Obama to dump him. Please go back and check the record before you try to confuse and misinform reader here.

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Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:53:50 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80605James McEnteer says “We pay governments to support American political and economic interests over and against the popular will of their own people”. Not necessarily. Eisenhower backed Egypt. Jimmy Carter opposed apartheid. Currently the US pays Israel and bribes the Egyptian government to leave Israel alone: this is not a case of supporting American interests! The old leftist clichés sometimes hide more than they reveal.
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Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:13:26 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80603DB,

“chickens coming home to roost” may upset your sense of cause and effect, but even if that’s not why 9-11 occurred (I have my doubts), suggesting it is is not allowed. Wright could have condemned Farrakhan for being an evil anti-Semite and he was still going to (and already did) get a severe tongue lashing–Ward Churchill dealt with more severe problems than that

]]>By: maryhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80601
Wed, 02 Feb 2011 13:01:40 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80601I for one am not at all interested in what somebody from the Brookings Institutution has to say about Egypt.

He comes from an outfit controlled by this bunch of gangters-in-charge whose interest in Egypt will be solely about the control of their financial interests in the region, especially Israel.

{http://www.brookings.edu/about/Trustees.aspx}

]]>By: Don Hawkinshttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80599
Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:54:02 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80599A few minutes ago Phil didn’t see his shadow so and early spring, oh dear because for the new people on DV that’s called Earth the third planet from the Sun and the next few week’s or month’s will not be boring. Please note top left or is that right I get those mixed up sometimes since I started watching American media. Just on the off chance we do get an early spring with all this snow I hope some have rubber boot’s just might need them and or wader’s. Oh I just watched Fox New’s and this winter so far has nothing to do with climate change the greenhouse effect no no no it’s all just a normal cycle on the Earth that has now been here for at least 8,000 years and I think we walked with the Dinosaurs. Oh there throwing rock’s in Egypt as the tyrant put some of his people on the street. These tyrant’s do have there way’s.

]]>By: Don Hawkinshttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80598
Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:42:18 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80598I can only pray that Fox New’s and people like Beck, Palin and all our leaders keep telling us the truth on how the World work’s. Granted a few people considered by some to be the best mind’s we have say other thing’s but they must be wrong as we never see or hear them maybe the History Channel once or twice but the fair and balanced people say they are nut’s very strange ideas indeed. I think I understand now the Earth is really only 8,000 years old and the Sun set’s in the East, right.
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Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:22:57 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80597Obama’s Chicago pastor, the Reverand Jeremiah Wright, drew self-righteous media scorn in 2008 when he described the September 11 attacks as payback for U.S. terrorism and said “American’s chickens are coming home to roost.” He was merely stating the obvious, but America failed to learn from that event or to do any soul-searching. The Bush-Cheney junta simply used those attacks to justify more waves of violence which have never ended.

What a shame that Zionism is such a TABOO topic on the Left. Speaking of Jeremiah Wright what finally got Obama to shove him under the bus was his support of Louis Farrakhan. Wright, at the press conference the day before Obama jettisoned him, made clear that he stood alongside Farrakhan as standing AGAINST Zionism. Zionism is the main reason why America won’t be doing any “soul” searching any time soon.

]]>By: Don Hawkinshttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80596
Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:32:37 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80596Hay I thought about it for a minute or two and maybe it’s the balloon heads who while pursuing their institutional role: maximizing short-term profit and putting aside externalities might be why. What do you think and can we tax carbon return the tax back to the people not the balloon head’s? We can’t why oh that’s right the whole short term profit part. I guess to make a real try that would only be a start you know if we didn’t put aside externalities. These externalities what the heck are they anyway?

Simon Boxall of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton said the Arctic was changing faster than previous models had suggested.

Over the last four years the surface area of Arctic ice had shrunk to levels predicted for 2070.

He said the changes in conditions in the Arctic were ‘not just about polar bears and their habitats, it’s about the habitats in Britain and worldwide’. Daily mail

Humm over the last four years the surface area of Arctic ice had shrunk to levels predicted for 2070 well like Yoda would say;

Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.

Always in motion is the future an enormous effort it will take may the force be with you there are no sides.

]]>By: Don Hawkinshttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/whose-side-are-we-on-2/#comment-80594
Wed, 02 Feb 2011 10:01:13 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80594Where’s a great place to see and hear balloon head’s in the greatest nation on Zenon and or Oz well turn on your television. C-span bingo balloon head’s well dressed of course and come in a few shapes and sizes men, women, old some a little younger and there dry cleaning bill is probably more than most Countries. When they talk you will here thing’s like the American people have spoken or drill baby drill oh here’s a big one it’s the economy stupid the debt what about future generations. Another great place to see and hear balloon head’s is the financial channel’s as the stock market is on a roll there all in seventh heaven at the moment it’s party time heck fly that beer in from the Caribbean cigar anyone. Yes with the great wisdom and knowledge of the balloon heads we will all be back to normal before you can say we back all products with a 100% satisfaction guarantee, so you can shop with confidence. The third planet from the Sun and just on the off chance there is intelligent life from far far away watching us somebody is getting a good laugh. Go shopping buy gold call call now 100% looney tunes. We could use knowledge and reason but there must be a force unknown to us that will not let us do that what could it be, what could it be?
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Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:27:20 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=28788#comment-80593A terrifying cyclone roaring towards Australia strengthened on Wednesday to the most dangerous threat level, as forecasters warned it could be the most life-threatening storm in generations.
“Frankly I don’t think Australia has ever seen a storm of this intensity in an area as populated as this stretch of our coast,” she told reporters. freaky weather

In the States look’s like ice falling from the sky and I see now there using in generations instead of 100 year storms.

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