Why here where these "Truthers" are anything but. (for those apt to respond other than the intended recipient, please note the period at the end of
this statement, as it's a rhetorical question and I could care less about opinion or commentary based upon it)

He said it was possible that Trump's personal communications were picked up as part of incidental foreign surveillance NOT RELATED TO
RUSSIA.
He said he was "alarmed" and he will be briefing the President on it.

Details were widely disseminated that had little to no foreign intelligence value.

The amendments to the platform came just after Carter Pages trip to Russia and just before the convention and the changes benefited Russia. It's
documented that the language was changed and the change came directly from trump.

The initial question that serves as the basis of this thread was an unfounded accusation from President Trump that President Obama had ordered
unlawful surveillance of him in his residence.

That has been cut into a myriad wild examples of fringe theorizing that has been dispelled by known facts.

Of course the legal or illegitimate nature of the surveillance of Americans is the issue. To say otherwise is to further attempt to muddy the water.

There have been illegal "leaks" that have apparently hit close to home (as one Trump associate resigned and one recused himself from any involvement
in a major investigation).

Again, attempting to obfuscate and confuse the issue by claiming that FISA warrants have faded in and out of existence is absurd.

FISA warrants are court orders. They do not disappear (or, there is no evidence of such disappearance.)

Any FISA warrants that do exist are parts of an ongoing investigation. The only uncertainty that exists in any reasonable minds arises from the fact
that these investigations are ON GOING and as yet UNRESOLVED.

The amendments to the platform came just after Carter Pages trip to Russia and just before the convention and the changes benefited Russia. It's
documented that the language was changed and the change came directly from trump.

I have been through the changes in detail. I know exactly what happened.
There was a specific sentence changed in an amendment to the platform - no change to the platform at all. The amendment did not go in until it was
changed. It removed the need for armed response. In other words it took away a commitment to war. We should be pleased.

The amendments to the platform came just after Carter Pages trip to Russia and just before the convention and the changes benefited Russia. It's
documented that the language was changed and the change came directly from trump.

hey hey.....trump is the messiah....please reframe from using logic and critical-thinking, this is a trump thread after all...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The initial question that serves as the basis of this thread was an unfounded accusation from President Trump that President Obama had ordered
unlawful surveillance of him in his residence.

That has been cut into a myriad wild examples of fringe theorizing that has been dispelled by known facts.

Of course the legal or illegitimate nature of the surveillance of Americans is the issue. To say otherwise is to further attempt to muddy the water.

There have been illegal "leaks" that have apparently hit close to home (as one Trump associate resigned and one recused himself from any involvement
in a major investigation).

Again, attempting to obfuscate and confuse the issue by claiming that FISA warrants have faded in and out of existence is absurd.

FISA warrants are court orders. They do not disappear (or, there is no evidence of such disappearance.)

Any FISA warrants that do exist are parts of an ongoing investigation. The only uncertainty that exists in any reasonable minds arises from the fact
that these investigations are ON GOING and as yet UNRESOLVED.

The revelations today from Nunes suggest that Trump himself may have had his private conversations listened to, unmasked and shared, possibly
conversations whilst he was at Trump Tower too.

There has been no denial from Comey or anyone else that Obama was not involved.

The only denial is that Obama did not order Trump Tower wire taps, but if it turns out the taps were a broad existing surveillance against all foreign
entities and Trumps conversations were picked up from multiple sources and then shared, including to Obama, then Trump's tweet is 90% vindicated.

It appears that Mr. Nunes has blindsided other members of the Intelligence Committee. I supposed I'm not surprised that a former member of the Trump
transition team appears at this moment to be attempting to further confuse the issues at hand.

How interesting that he's running to the White House to report to President Trump ... so much for objectivity-- so much for separate branches of
government.

I had hoped for some non-partisan cooperation toward discovery of the truth for a change ... this suggests that it's business as usual.

It appears that Mr. Nunes has blindsided other members of the Intelligence Community. I supposed I'm not surprised that a former member of the Trump
transition team appears at this moment to be attempting to further confuse the issues at hand.

How interesting that he's running to the White House to report to President Trump ... so much for objectivity-- so much for separate branches of
government.

hahaha - so Nunes is lying now just because Trump's tweet is being vindicated.

It appears that Mr. Nunes has blindsided other members of the Intelligence Community. I supposed I'm not surprised that a former member of the Trump
transition team appears at this moment to be attempting to further confuse the issues at hand.

How interesting that he's running to the White House to report to President Trump ... so much for objectivity-- so much for separate branches of
government.

hahaha - so Nunes is lying now just because Trump's tweet is being vindicated.

The really important part of Nunes statement today is that Trump's conversations were recorded, unmasked and shared from foreign intelligence
surveillance conversations that "had little or no foreign intelligence value" and not related to Russia.

This sounds like a case of existing spying operations being used to pick up any Trump conversations (and his team) and then that information spread
around and leaked.

Nunes now saying the NSA is cooperating.

Nunes speaking now:

Nothing to do with Russia or Russian investigation
NSA is cooperating.
"possible surveillance activity"
"Dozens of reports"
"What I have read bothers me and it should bother the President and his team"
"What I have read is inappropriate"
"It definitely goes beyond what happened with General Flynn"
It is not yet known who ordered the masking...

"What I have read seems to me to be some level of surveillance activity, perhaps legal, but I do not know if it is right and I don't think the
American people would be comfortable"

"We don't know who sent the taskings, but we are going to try and find that out"

WOW

"Trump and his team were the subject of intelligence reports that ended up at this Whitehouse"

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