Ok so I guess her daughters dont have any shots? Do they get any shots before they leave the hospital? I thought you HAVE to have certain ones...even before you start school and specially when you start school. I guess you can do what ever you want and Im all for do what you think is best. But I think everyone should get their shots, dont we get them for a reason. EX. Small pox.

I was talking to a friend of mine asking her what pediatrician she uses. Well she tells me but then says he is ok with parents that choose not to vaccinate.

Me dont they have to get certain ones?

Patricia no...lol
you really need to read up on all of that stuff hon. Immunizations,
vaccinations, what are in them, when they are given, and what not.

Ok so I guess her daughters dont have any shots? Do they get any shots before they leave the hospital? I thought you HAVE to have certain ones...even before you start school and specially when you start school. I guess you can do what ever you want and Im all for do what you think is best. But I think everyone should get their shots, dont we get them for a reason. EX. Small pox.

The main reason why people don't get immunizations is because the diseases that the shots they are preventing are either relatively minor and not very deadly, or the diseases are non-existant in high-tech nations NOT because of the wide availability of immunizations but because people have access to clean water, food and clean shelter. Those that do not want immunizations are basically trying to avoid things such as autism and other disorders that may arise because of the use of chemicals in the vaccines.

When the little one leaves the hospital it is routine that the baby receives a Hep. B vaccine. However, this disease is more of an STD disease, so if you know you (the mother) do not have Hep. B, there is no reason to vaccinate against this disease immediately. You can actually wait until your child is a teenager to give this vaccine as that is the time when risks for getting this disease are greater.

I'm for and against the vaccinations. I am mainly for the "emergency" vaccines such as a rabies vaccine or other such thing that can occur in emergencies. I am against vaccinating for the minor illnesses that children naturally overcome.

The main reason why people don't get immunizations is because the diseases that the shots they are preventing are either relatively minor and not very deadly, or the diseases are non-existant in high-tech nations NOT because of the wide availability of immunizations but because people have access to clean water, food and clean shelter. Those that do not want immunizations are basically trying to avoid things such as autism and other disorders that may arise because of the use of chemicals in the vaccines.

When the little one leaves the hospital it is routine that the baby receives a Hep. B vaccine. However, this disease is more of an STD disease, so if you know you (the mother) do not have Hep. B, there is no reason to vaccinate against this disease immediately. You can actually wait until your child is a teenager to give this vaccine as that is the time when risks for getting this disease are greater.

I'm for and against the vaccinations. I am mainly for the "emergency" vaccines such as a rabies vaccine or other such thing that can occur in emergencies. I am against vaccinating for the minor illnesses that children naturally overcome.

I'd encourage you to do as much research as you can on vaccines using sites like the CDC that aren't being funded by lobbyist groups or groups that aren't trying to sell a product. I will be vaccinating my child(ren) for everything recommended by their pediatrician. To be enrolled in a licensed daycare and in school, they need their vaccinations.

I'd encourage you to do as much research as you can on vaccines using sites like the CDC that aren't being funded by lobbyist groups or groups that aren't trying to sell a product. I will be vaccinating my child(ren) for everything recommended by their pediatrician. To be enrolled in a licensed daycare and in school, they need their vaccinations.

Not all vaccines are required for school, however almost all are, there is no link to autism and vaccines like people think. However it is important to get vaccinated as a youngster, we have parents at our clinic who will wait until just before the child enters kindergarten to start all of their vaccines because they are afraid of hurting their baby... However a 5 year old remembers vaccines a whole lot more than a baby, and by that time the child has had 5 years of unprotected exposure... I have requested the Hep B vaccine be given at the hospital other wise the first dose is at 2 months of age with a bunch of other vaccines... It is really up to you you are the parent but remember you do this for the health of the baby... Look at the CDC web page for better information on all of the vaccines...

I hope this helps, everyone is going to give their opinion, but yours is the most important!

Not all vaccines are required for school, however almost all are, there is no link to autism and vaccines like people think. However it is important to get vaccinated as a youngster, we have parents at our clinic who will wait until just before the child enters kindergarten to start all of their vaccines because they are afraid of hurting their baby... However a 5 year old remembers vaccines a whole lot more than a baby, and by that time the child has had 5 years of unprotected exposure... I have requested the Hep B vaccine be given at the hospital other wise the first dose is at 2 months of age with a bunch of other vaccines... It is really up to you you are the parent but remember you do this for the health of the baby... Look at the CDC web page for better information on all of the vaccines...

I hope this helps, everyone is going to give their opinion, but yours is the most important!

well I plan on giving them the vaccinations. I know they need ones for school. I will give them what ever the pediatrician says its time for. And the smaller they are when they get them the better. I think they are there for a reason and they wouldnt give her anything that was gonna cause any harm. I guess I understand why some poeple are afraid of letting their kids get them. But if we need them and its what keeps the disease at bay then so be it. If they didnt give the small pox shot. Where would we be! I guess to some exstent i think its crazy not to get them.

well I plan on giving them the vaccinations. I know they need ones for school. I will give them what ever the pediatrician says its time for. And the smaller they are when they get them the better. I think they are there for a reason and they wouldnt give her anything that was gonna cause any harm. I guess I understand why some poeple are afraid of letting their kids get them. But if we need them and its what keeps the disease at bay then so be it. If they didnt give the small pox shot. Where would we be! I guess to some exstent i think its crazy not to get them.

I think there is also something to be said for vaccinating as a responsibility to others, as well. Last spring, a baby in my area died after contracting the measles from someone who hadn't been vaccinated. The baby was too young to have received a vaccination. I would be mortified if I lost a child due to someone else making a decision that ultimately ended up destroying life as I knew it.

I think there is also something to be said for vaccinating as a responsibility to others, as well. Last spring, a baby in my area died after contracting the measles from someone who hadn't been vaccinated. The baby was too young to have received a vaccination. I would be mortified if I lost a child due to someone else making a decision that ultimately ended up destroying life as I knew it.

Yes, I agree that some people ignore the social responsibility aspect of the question, which is such a shame. We all need to protect those who can't protect themselves. I've read a number of stories of kids whose parents took them abroad, then they came home and spread something, often to little babies too young to have the shots yet. Nobody lives in a bubble.

Hep B is one thing (we'll be delaying that for sure, since it's not easily spread), but MMR is totally different. For some level-headed advice about how to pick and choose, I'd look at the Dr Sears vaccine book.

Yes, I agree that some people ignore the social responsibility aspect of the question, which is such a shame. We all need to protect those who can't protect themselves. I've read a number of stories of kids whose parents took them abroad, then they came home and spread something, often to little babies too young to have the shots yet. Nobody lives in a bubble.

Hep B is one thing (we'll be delaying that for sure, since it's not easily spread), but MMR is totally different. For some level-headed advice about how to pick and choose, I'd look at the Dr Sears vaccine book.

I thought it was common knowledge that they helped out big tobacco as well. WHY? Probably because there is big money in it.

As for most of my health care providers. My chiropractor, my midwife, my pediatrician, my homeopath...they have all decided not to vaccinate their children. My midwife is the only one I know that has vaccinated herself with the seasonal flu shot. MANY health care providers chose not to vaccinate their kids. If you want a list of what's in common vaccines ask your doctor for the packet insert. To go to a list of some of the common ingredients go here as well.. provided by the CDC (Not a special interest group).

Found on the FDA Product Insert. " 1. PregnancyPregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

Nursing MothersIt is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when this vaccine is administered to a nursing woman."

"Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus Vaccine. It is not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed."

However,research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=17549258) has found that the fetus does react defensively to the mother's vaccination.

"The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while pregnant."

I thought it was common knowledge that they helped out big tobacco as well. WHY? Probably because there is big money in it.

As for most of my health care providers. My chiropractor, my midwife, my pediatrician, my homeopath...they have all decided not to vaccinate their children. My midwife is the only one I know that has vaccinated herself with the seasonal flu shot. MANY health care providers chose not to vaccinate their kids. If you want a list of what's in common vaccines ask your doctor for the packet insert. To go to a list of some of the common ingredients go here as well.. provided by the CDC (Not a special interest group).

Found on the FDA Product Insert. " 1. PregnancyPregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

Nursing MothersIt is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when this vaccine is administered to a nursing woman."

"Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza Virus Vaccine. It is not known whether Influenza Virus Vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza Virus Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed."

However,research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=17549258) has found that the fetus does react defensively to the mother's vaccination.

"The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while pregnant."

Sorry if my posts upset so. I am posting more for people who have yet to decide one way or another. You give the pros and your personal opinions. I am just giving the cons with the facts that I have found.

I figured. Good luck with your pregnancy as well!

Sorry if my posts upset so. I am posting more for people who have yet to decide one way or another. You give the pros and your personal opinions. I am just giving the cons with the facts that I have found.

I've been active on this board for several months and just recently started seeing you post in the vaccine threads - I apologize if I have missed you elsewhere. I have a lot of other things to do with my time than to argue with someone who clearly just wants to debate with me. I'm involved in a lot of other areas of this board where we talk about a variety of topics, not just vaccines - which seems to be the only area that I see you post. Which is fine, that's your interest. But I don't have the need to refute every little thing with someone that I not only disagree with, but have a hard time talking nicely to. So, I am removing myself from further discussion with you. If you want to continue to throw the little slams at me like "You give the pros and your personal opinions. I am just giving the cons with the facts that I have found", go ahead. But I'm not taking part. Find someone else to take it up with.

You know what? I could really do without the little personal slams.

I've been active on this board for several months and just recently started seeing you post in the vaccine threads - I apologize if I have missed you elsewhere. I have a lot of other things to do with my time than to argue with someone who clearly just wants to debate with me. I'm involved in a lot of other areas of this board where we talk about a variety of topics, not just vaccines - which seems to be the only area that I see you post. Which is fine, that's your interest. But I don't have the need to refute every little thing with someone that I not only disagree with, but have a hard time talking nicely to. So, I am removing myself from further discussion with you. If you want to continue to throw the little slams at me like "You give the pros and your personal opinions. I am just giving the cons with the facts that I have found", go ahead. But I'm not taking part. Find someone else to take it up with.

Actually this is my 2nd pregnancy and I've been on here since the first. I have also posted in other areas. This one in particular you started posting AFTER me. Referring to me as a forum TROLL! Don't deny the implication. And, you are acting like the bully because I do not agree with you. So what if you think you've been around here longer. I have yet to personally attack you..quite the contrary. You HAVE stated a lot of opinions because that;s all they can be. The CDC even admits there is NO STUDY on the effects of these vaccines (all flu vaccines) on Pregnant women, yet you are telling people looking for advice to go for it! Where are you numbers, your studies, your facts? I have presented TONS of facts. The numbers per state that have died from H1N1 and flu-like symptoms and none of those numbers get even close to 1% of the population ANYWHERE! Also, I have posted several claims straight off the CDC and FDA websites (Which you initially called me out for NOT quoting) that claim the toxicity of the ingredients in the vaccines they are pushing and the claims of NO LONG TERM STUDIES!!!

They compare the American public to sheep...following blindly, listening to sensationalism and scare tactics. So go ahead drink the kool-aid. I'm done now too!

Occamâ€™s Razor analysis holds that, "Of several acceptable explanations for a mysterious phenomenon, the simplest is preferable, provided that it does not contradict the observed facts."

And, again this is not about you...so stop fighting ME..and making it personal. Start dealing in facts and stop being a bully because I don't agree with your opinions. And, remember you started it by calling me out for quoting news articles and not institutions such as the CDC.

Actually this is my 2nd pregnancy and I've been on here since the first. I have also posted in other areas. This one in particular you started posting AFTER me. Referring to me as a forum TROLL! Don't deny the implication. And, you are acting like the bully because I do not agree with you. So what if you think you've been around here longer. I have yet to personally attack you..quite the contrary. You HAVE stated a lot of opinions because that;s all they can be. The CDC even admits there is NO STUDY on the effects of these vaccines (all flu vaccines) on Pregnant women, yet you are telling people looking for advice to go for it! Where are you numbers, your studies, your facts? I have presented TONS of facts. The numbers per state that have died from H1N1 and flu-like symptoms and none of those numbers get even close to 1% of the population ANYWHERE! Also, I have posted several claims straight off the CDC and FDA websites (Which you initially called me out for NOT quoting) that claim the toxicity of the ingredients in the vaccines they are pushing and the claims of NO LONG TERM STUDIES!!!

They compare the American public to sheep...following blindly, listening to sensationalism and scare tactics. So go ahead drink the kool-aid. I'm done now too!

Occamâ€™s Razor analysis holds that, "Of several acceptable explanations for a mysterious phenomenon, the simplest is preferable, provided that it does not contradict the observed facts."

And, again this is not about you...so stop fighting ME..and making it personal. Start dealing in facts and stop being a bully because I don't agree with your opinions. And, remember you started it by calling me out for quoting news articles and not institutions such as the CDC.

I think it may depend on where you live. I know that in Canada you can opt out of all vaccines and still send your children to public school. Daycares, private schools, etc can not allow you in if you've not received vaccines but you're allowed to morally object to vaccinations and still go to public school. Rule is though - if there's an outbreak, you're not allowed at school until the outbreak is over.

I think it may depend on where you live. I know that in Canada you can opt out of all vaccines and still send your children to public school. Daycares, private schools, etc can not allow you in if you've not received vaccines but you're allowed to morally object to vaccinations and still go to public school. Rule is though - if there's an outbreak, you're not allowed at school until the outbreak is over.

Jayme doesn't need defending - I've know her long enough to know that. She's been on WTE for over two years - we had our sons in Feb 08 and joined back when we were first pregnant. All she was doing was saying that you seem to only have started chiming in on the Feb board on vax threads - and the truth is there's more to pregnancy and babies than vaccinations.

As far as testing on pregnant women, honestly? Don't be daft. It's completely unethical to conduct studies on pregnant women. Can you imagine the he-l-l that would be raised if the CDC started approving studies on pregnant women. I'm not even going to go there - it's just beyond ridiculous. Of course it would be nice to be able to collect data on women who choose to take whatever, but it doesn't/rarely happens. That being said, in Canada, such studies have been approved by women willing to take the vaccine - but they're not starting til next month.

Jayme doesn't need defending - I've know her long enough to know that. She's been on WTE for over two years - we had our sons in Feb 08 and joined back when we were first pregnant. All she was doing was saying that you seem to only have started chiming in on the Feb board on vax threads - and the truth is there's more to pregnancy and babies than vaccinations.

As far as testing on pregnant women, honestly? Don't be daft. It's completely unethical to conduct studies on pregnant women. Can you imagine the he-l-l that would be raised if the CDC started approving studies on pregnant women. I'm not even going to go there - it's just beyond ridiculous. Of course it would be nice to be able to collect data on women who choose to take whatever, but it doesn't/rarely happens. That being said, in Canada, such studies have been approved by women willing to take the vaccine - but they're not starting til next month.

Most preschools and schools require immunizations to be up-to-date. Even in college I took a preschool class, where I was a preschool teacher, and the children in the preschool needed to have their immunizations up-to-date. At most school districts you cannot substitute or teach if you have not had MMR shots. To enroll in kindergarten you bring in their immunization record. My son is vaccinated, I am vaccinated, my husband is vaccinated, and my new baby will be vaccinated. Parents that choose not to vaccinate have told me all you have to do is sign a wavier that you will not sue the school district if your child contracts a disease because they were not vaccinated. These parents have, also, told me that the rest of society vaccinates, so they don't have to (not saying everyone who doesn't vaccinate feels this way).

On the flip-side I don't get flu shots and will not be getting N1H1, so everyone does their own thing and it works for them.

Most preschools and schools require immunizations to be up-to-date. Even in college I took a preschool class, where I was a preschool teacher, and the children in the preschool needed to have their immunizations up-to-date. At most school districts you cannot substitute or teach if you have not had MMR shots. To enroll in kindergarten you bring in their immunization record. My son is vaccinated, I am vaccinated, my husband is vaccinated, and my new baby will be vaccinated. Parents that choose not to vaccinate have told me all you have to do is sign a wavier that you will not sue the school district if your child contracts a disease because they were not vaccinated. These parents have, also, told me that the rest of society vaccinates, so they don't have to (not saying everyone who doesn't vaccinate feels this way).

On the flip-side I don't get flu shots and will not be getting N1H1, so everyone does their own thing and it works for them.

It is safe, and very important, for a woman who is pregnant during flu season to receive the inactivated flu vaccine. A pregnant woman who gets the flu is at risk for serious complications and hospitalization.

While I'm sure that there are some risks associated with ANY medication, be it for treatment or prevention, there is more evidence pointing to the dangers of NOT receiving a vaccination. More pregnant women seem to have complications from getting the flu, rather than the vaccine itself. Nowhere did I see where the CDC says that the shot is unsafe for pregnant women. I believe in vaccinations......mostly because I'd rather see my children with a sore arm than a horrible illness that they may not recover from. Until I see definitive evidence that they aren't safe, my kids will be protected. True, these illnesses aren't common in the United States.....but do you know where the kid that sits next to yours is from? We're a military family, and we see a lot of people from all different areas of the world. Better safe than sorry.

As for the banter between you and Jayme......Really? I didn't see anything attacking in Jayme's posts.....but I did sense some tension in yours. You refer to her as a bully, simply because you don't agree with her. The same could be said about your posts.......Just pointing that out. You claim to be presenting "facts"....but the truth of the matter is that you stated your OPINION.....just as everyone else has. I find it ridiculous that you are getting so hostile about something that is strictly a personal decision. Also, you can type just about anything into an internet search engine and find things to back up your OPINION.....that doesn't make them factual, and it doesn't make you correct. Opinions are exactly what they are.....opinions.

Personally, I think it should be mandatory for children to be vaccinated against things. If a parent chooses not to vaccinate, then I think they should be made to home school their children. It was their CHOICE after all. Signing a waiver to not sue a school is fine, but that doesn't protect them from someone else suing THEM for putting others at risk.

I certainly hope that nobody feels "bullied" by my opinion. It's how I feel, and I don't expect others to feel the same way. What goes on in my house is my business, and what goes on in other homes isn't.

I wish you ladies the best of luck with all of your decisions!!! Being a mother is the hardest job in the world....and I have no doubt that you'll all do what is right for your families.

Just curious.....but what CDC website did you pull your info from? I have done my research as well, and the page that I visited said this:

It is safe, and very important, for a woman who is pregnant during flu season to receive the inactivated flu vaccine. A pregnant woman who gets the flu is at risk for serious complications and hospitalization.

While I'm sure that there are some risks associated with ANY medication, be it for treatment or prevention, there is more evidence pointing to the dangers of NOT receiving a vaccination. More pregnant women seem to have complications from getting the flu, rather than the vaccine itself. Nowhere did I see where the CDC says that the shot is unsafe for pregnant women. I believe in vaccinations......mostly because I'd rather see my children with a sore arm than a horrible illness that they may not recover from. Until I see definitive evidence that they aren't safe, my kids will be protected. True, these illnesses aren't common in the United States.....but do you know where the kid that sits next to yours is from? We're a military family, and we see a lot of people from all different areas of the world. Better safe than sorry.

As for the banter between you and Jayme......Really? I didn't see anything attacking in Jayme's posts.....but I did sense some tension in yours. You refer to her as a bully, simply because you don't agree with her. The same could be said about your posts.......Just pointing that out. You claim to be presenting "facts"....but the truth of the matter is that you stated your OPINION.....just as everyone else has. I find it ridiculous that you are getting so hostile about something that is strictly a personal decision. Also, you can type just about anything into an internet search engine and find things to back up your OPINION.....that doesn't make them factual, and it doesn't make you correct. Opinions are exactly what they are.....opinions.

Personally, I think it should be mandatory for children to be vaccinated against things. If a parent chooses not to vaccinate, then I think they should be made to home school their children. It was their CHOICE after all. Signing a waiver to not sue a school is fine, but that doesn't protect them from someone else suing THEM for putting others at risk.

I certainly hope that nobody feels "bullied" by my opinion. It's how I feel, and I don't expect others to feel the same way. What goes on in my house is my business, and what goes on in other homes isn't.

I wish you ladies the best of luck with all of your decisions!!! Being a mother is the hardest job in the world....and I have no doubt that you'll all do what is right for your families.

I find that article quite insulting and ignorant editorial and not just because I don't agree wtih it. As for Jenny Macarthy...her child is afflicted with an illness and she has done nothing but research and tried to bring to light possible toxins that might have caused her son's condition. Damn her, right? ANY child with an impaired immune system is at risk for ANYTHING not just things we are vaccinated for. The flu being ONE. There are so many different strains of it, it would be impossible to vaccinate for everything. Might as well keep your kid in a bubble! The world is full of social disease spreaders. You can't hide from everything. The parents that choose to not vaccinate their children have probably done more research about why they shouldn't then the majority that go along with whatever someone tells them to do (my observed opinion). Why are most respected health care workers, scientists, and highly educated scholars of this country (that I know and have read about)not vaccinating their kids?

Btw. My 12 yr old is completey vaccinated against everything but HepB and Chicken pox. so far. She also has a learning disability and found to have a very high level of toxins including heavy metals and mercury in her system thanks to a hair, blood, and urine analysis. She is doing much better now that we are aware of how proper nutrition plays a roll in the way we function. My 1 yr old is on a safer vaccine schedule recommended by my pediatrician. I havent evaluated whether or not she'll receive anymore thanks to all the vaccine research I wouldnt have normally done thanks to the H1N1 scare.

I find that article quite insulting and ignorant editorial and not just because I don't agree wtih it. As for Jenny Macarthy...her child is afflicted with an illness and she has done nothing but research and tried to bring to light possible toxins that might have caused her son's condition. Damn her, right? ANY child with an impaired immune system is at risk for ANYTHING not just things we are vaccinated for. The flu being ONE. There are so many different strains of it, it would be impossible to vaccinate for everything. Might as well keep your kid in a bubble! The world is full of social disease spreaders. You can't hide from everything. The parents that choose to not vaccinate their children have probably done more research about why they shouldn't then the majority that go along with whatever someone tells them to do (my observed opinion). Why are most respected health care workers, scientists, and highly educated scholars of this country (that I know and have read about)not vaccinating their kids?

Btw. My 12 yr old is completey vaccinated against everything but HepB and Chicken pox. so far. She also has a learning disability and found to have a very high level of toxins including heavy metals and mercury in her system thanks to a hair, blood, and urine analysis. She is doing much better now that we are aware of how proper nutrition plays a roll in the way we function. My 1 yr old is on a safer vaccine schedule recommended by my pediatrician. I havent evaluated whether or not she'll receive anymore thanks to all the vaccine research I wouldnt have normally done thanks to the H1N1 scare.

Jenny McCarthy and the other pseudoscientists can be very convincing. They are certainly very sincere and I understand how persuasive they can be. I have read both sides of the argument and, as a scientist, I understand the issues. I have an autistic cousin and I wish I could blame it all on vaccines or whatever the current thing is. Unfortunately, the real science doesn't back these people up. I'm sorry. It just doesn't. I know I won't change anyone's opinion about the issue, but I don't want people to only get that side of the story.

I also don't want to argue. There's no point in it. I don't think this is the right place for it anyway. I'm just a random Internet person. There's no reason anyone should listen to me. Jenny McCarthy is just a mom and celebrity. There's no reason anyone should listen to her. There's a large body of real research on the subject of vaccines and a lot of doctors and scientists familiar with it. Those are the people we should be talking to in person to make the right decision for ourselves and our families.

Instead of arguing and discussing it endlessly here, I hope people will go talk to their doctors about any and all medical issues, including vaccinations, and leave this forum to be a place where we can just be there to be emotionally supportive of each other.

Jenny McCarthy and the other pseudoscientists can be very convincing. They are certainly very sincere and I understand how persuasive they can be. I have read both sides of the argument and, as a scientist, I understand the issues. I have an autistic cousin and I wish I could blame it all on vaccines or whatever the current thing is. Unfortunately, the real science doesn't back these people up. I'm sorry. It just doesn't. I know I won't change anyone's opinion about the issue, but I don't want people to only get that side of the story.

I also don't want to argue. There's no point in it. I don't think this is the right place for it anyway. I'm just a random Internet person. There's no reason anyone should listen to me. Jenny McCarthy is just a mom and celebrity. There's no reason anyone should listen to her. There's a large body of real research on the subject of vaccines and a lot of doctors and scientists familiar with it. Those are the people we should be talking to in person to make the right decision for ourselves and our families.

Instead of arguing and discussing it endlessly here, I hope people will go talk to their doctors about any and all medical issues, including vaccinations, and leave this forum to be a place where we can just be there to be emotionally supportive of each other.

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