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o sorry for coming back, not at any Ayah Allah laid emphasis on the Prophet or Messenger, since he is not more than a wire to communicate Allah's message. But at each time Allah lays emphasis on the core of the message itself which is to submit to the One Deity the True God Allah.

Much difference right...

In an Ayah Allah Say what means (I will translate the meaning myself) i can see u r online, later Insh a Allah will copy the Ayah from a source

Allah Say what means Mohamed is not but a Messenger so if he dies or be murdered will u turn back on your way??

Of course we will not because we simply worship Allah the eternal the Living.

Basically, Muhammad's example is how to APPLY the Qur'an which is what Christianity lacks. The majority of laws and rituals are thought up by man. They are attempted to be based in the Bible but Islam's rituals are the exact way that Muhammad was commanded to worship by Allah. So by following this example, we are worshipping exactly in the manner that pleases Allah. Also by following the example of the Prophet, we can turn everyday activities into acts of worship like eating, drinking, entering our homes, dressing, bathing, the list is almost endless. Insha'Allah that helps a little?

Before I converted, I believed in the Qur'an as Allah's Words and I believed that he Alone was to be worshipped. I just did not know who Muhammad was as a man. So I wanted to learn more about him first. I read a quite good book, "The Life of Muhammad" by Haykal. This book told of all the hardships that he went through and how great of a character he had. It made me admire him which is what muslims do, nothing more.

One thing that I noted in the Qur'an that I read (translated by A. Yusuf Ali) is that it mentioned Moses and Jesus much more than Muhammad. It struck me as interesting that if Muhammad was making up this religion, why would he talk so foundly and extol the works of leaders from "contending" religions?

My thought process is done, I think? Insha'Allah I have been of some help. If not, let me know and I will try to clarify. I am also very pleased that you ARE asking questions. It shows your dedication to this spiritual and lifelong pursuit. It shows that this is not just some passing phase. May Allah Guide you and all of us to the Straight Path.

As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

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I have nothing but the very most respect and appreciation for all that have been helping me learn about Islam. I am really glad I have found so many friends here that are willing to help me find the way. Before I knew much of Islam, I have asked God many times before to please help me get to the right path - and I believe that my interest in Islam is God's way of guiding me to the right path. Had I never bought the Quran and read it every night, I would never had these questions and the desire to learn more. I really feel that God has willed me to be among the righteous, and he has presented me with the Quran and so many friends to help me get there. Ever since I began reading the Quran and thinking about God every second of my day, I have noticed alot of positive changes happening. I am forever thankful to God for showing me the way, and I am also very thankful of all the Muslim friends helping me along. Thank you all VERY much!!

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Everytime I read this thread I can't explain the feeling I get, I am so happy for you. I think I know how this will end. Everything is visible to Allah even you Josh who seeks the truth so sincerly. InshaALlah Allah will pay you in full for what you are seeking.

May ALlah reward all the brothers and sisters who have been part of this thread, I really admire you all, I think you are all a blessing mashaAllah.

May Allah reward you all with Jennah for doing this FeeSabiLiLilah :smilingfl

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Jazaki Allah khairan katheeran ukhti. we can use all the dua u can make

Insh a Allah Josh is fine.

Insh a Allah I have a point to cover, by the Will of Allah I need to explain to u the area of the HOly spirit, Insh a Allah it will clarify a lot need to really prepare it, make dua for me Intuition that Allah Inspire the correct wording :learn:

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I have nothing but the very most respect and appreciation for all that have been helping me learn about Islam. I am really glad I have found so many friends here that are willing to help me find the way. Before I knew much of Islam, I have asked God many times before to please help me get to the right path - and I believe that my interest in Islam is God's way of guiding me to the right path. Had I never bought the Quran and read it every night, I would never had these questions and the desire to learn more. I really feel that God has willed me to be among the righteous, and he has presented me with the Quran and so many friends to help me get there. Ever since I began reading the Quran and thinking about God every second of my day, I have noticed alot of positive changes happening. I am forever thankful to God for showing me the way, and I am also very thankful of all the Muslim friends helping me along. Thank you all VERY much!!

Salam Josh,

I cannot describe my feelings of joy when I read these words. May Allah guide you to His everlasting light and grant you the peace of mind you are looking for!! (ameen)

I would like just to clarify something concerning our Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. Allah tells us to obey Him and to obey our Messenger because Prophet Mohammed is a Prophet and Messenger and all his deeds and sayings are ordered/approved by Allah. He represents Islam. Actually, he was a Qur'an walking on earth. All his deeds are perfect. He is Mercy sent to us by the Merciful! He is a modal to us Muslims to follow, that's why we admire and love him .. he is our beloved and dear!

You know what? The Muslim believers' dream is to see him and accompany him in Pradise! May Allah grant us that wish! (ameen)

If you read about him you could do nothing but admire him! Then you will love him and feel towards him as we do feel.

Dear Muslimah jazaki Allah khayran for your efforts and also the efforts of everybody in the forum. By the way I liked very much that quote which is written by brother Dan, really what he wrote is wonderful!

Salam

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Dear Muslimah jazaki Allah khayran for your efforts and also the efforts of everybody in the forum. By the way I liked very much that quote which is written by brother Dan, really what he wrote is wonderful!

Bismillah

As Salam alaikum

Jazak Allah Khair. It is all due to Allah and His Magnificent Guidance. Without Him, I am nothing. With Him, I am finally a man.

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Ok may Allah allow me to present this point in the most accurate manner so as to help Joshua and those who are looking for the truth ameen. May Allah also overlook any erros ameen.

Let me try and shed light on an important point here, the problem about Jesus usually stems from the part in which Allah Is Addressing Mariam through the Angle Gabriel Saying and We Sent to her our soul who manifested in the form of a human being. The word our soul here usually raises controversy.

I know, let me by the Will of Allah try to help here being a native Arabic speaker.

The soul in Arabic is Ruh which is the item (will not say part since we don’t exactly know what it is) responsible about life. In other words, when it is taken one immediately dies. It is the item that is contracted when the angle of death assumes his role towards someone.

So being the source of life, Allah Uses the term soul in many ways. For example Allah called Quran in one Ayah the soul, just take note of this, being a reason to make us alive after being dead. R u getting it, following the Quran revived the people after been dead due to non believing.

Using the word Ruh does not in any way represent Allah’s soul .

On another sense the same word Ruh (soul) means the core or essence of something. Ruh ashye-e means core of something.. So when Allah Sends Ruh (soul) succeeding it in Arabic with a suffix that means ours, it simply means from us we send the core of something, or we send what makes u alive. Big difference.

I can see u saying o why Allah if He is One is using we…. Insh a Allah I will get to this later.

“He sends down the angels with inspiration of His Command to whom of His slaves He pleases (saying): "Warn mankind that La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so fear Me (by abstaining from sins and evil deeds).” (16:2).

If u read this Ayah in Arabic, it says yonazel ul malaeka beruh min amreh… In this position, Allah Clearly explains an important usage of the word Ruh, it is the revelation, the inspiration the Quran which is the essence, the source of life and core of interest.

Another usage is Allah Calling Angle Gabriel in many positions the Ruh. In no way Allah Means that Gabriel is Allah’s soul but rather he is the Ruh of angles, the important one among them, since he is responsible of bringing revelation to the Messengers. Again a revelation related task, therefore must be called Ruh. Not in any sense is a part of Allah.

“(He is Allah) Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the Inspiration by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives inspiration) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting (i.e. The Day of Resurrection).” (40:15)

Again here Allah calling the revelation the Ruh.

Let me get to the we point I raised earlier. U may ask why Allah is speaking in the plural form here, they keep telling me He is One, does not consist of parts?

In Arabic when we address an older or respectable person, just like in French, we use the plural from. To this effect Allah Is stressing the fact about His Superior position, His Mighty, His Graciousness not that He is more than one. No just One but not any one. Allah the All Mighty, the All Powerful.

Insh aAllah I have more on this, just preferred to bring them bit by bit for everyone to digest before we move on.

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When did this thread start where was I, I am sorry josh for not contributing, welcome on board, and may God help u in your seeking and may he be your assistant.

Masha'Allah sister Muslimah, jazzaky Allah khayr for al your efforts, and all of u brothers and sisters. And I remember that post by Dan to Michelle, I almost cried when I read it, it is so impressing. Keep it up Josh, u r on the right track

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I tried reading through all of this, and even though I understand what each is saying, the answer is still a little confusing to me.

I seperated everything into 3 different questions to help make things easier.

1)Do Jews and Christians make it to heaven? (looking for a simple "yes" or "no" to help with confusion lol).

2)If a Jew or Christian firmly believes in God, and that there is only one God and recognizes Muhammed(pbuh) ( as well as many others) as his prophet, what then would seperate him from a Muslim and stop him from entering heaven?

3)Also...what about someone who is neither christian, nor jew, nor muslim. This is far fetched, but bare with me for the example:

What if someone grew up on an island all by themselves, without having anything. No books, no communication with others, not a single thing. How would he know to praise God? Without the Quran, he wouldnt. He wouldnt even know what religion was, let alone which one was correct. Would he get into heaven?It is not his fault he did not know God - he had no one to teach him of God and no way of finding out.

1)Do Jews and Christians make it to heaven? (looking for a simple "yes" or "no" to help with confusion lol).

If they beleive in prophet Muhammad as a messenger for all human beings, in other way they must pronounce shahada. There are many priests I heard about that embraced islam, but they are hiding it afraid of what will happen to them from their family or masters in church, so these only Allah knows about them we dont, so we cannot say if any will go to hell or fire except Allah, but if he dies in a state of disbeleiving in Allah's onnes and that prophet Muhammad is his last messenger for all humanity, as the Quran said and ahadeeth of prophet Muhammad, that it will not be accepted from him.

2)If a Jew or Christian firmly believes in God, and that there is only one God and recognizes Muhammed(pbuh) ( as well as many others) as his prophet, what then would seperate him from a Muslim and stop him from entering heaven?

If u are in this state then u are not a jew or christian, u r a muslim but u need to pronounce the shahadateen, then nothing will stop u from entering heaven except Allah's will.

3)Also...what about someone who is neither christian, nor jew, nor muslim. This is far fetched, but bare with me for the example:

What if someone grew up on an island all by themselves, without having anything. No books, no communication with others, not a single thing. How would he know to praise God? Without the Quran, he wouldnt. He wouldnt even know what religion was, let alone which one was correct. Would he get into heaven?It is not his fault he did not know God - he had no one to teach him of God and no way of finding out.

Allah is the most merciful, those who are savages and in the state that u said, their destiny is left to God, and as he said in Surat Al-esra':

Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:

15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).

so u c no punishment until a messenger is sent, and here is the tafseer (i hope u all know what is tafseer now after sister Muslimah defined fully )

But I would like to stress on something here Josh, that we cannot say about any1 who will enter heaven or hell except Allah the Al-mighty, because we never know what is in the future and we do not know what is in the heart of people, only God knows, so I cannot addres any1 right now who does not beleive in Allah or the prophet as kafir, because he might in the future be a muslim who is maybe even better than any born muslim. I hope that u will find ur answers, and by will of Allah all ur confusion will disappear.

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Mash aAllah Radiyah is really attending here, but an extra point will not harm.

Josh, if u think that we are reluctant to answer directly saying that unless u r a Muslim u can not make it safely, no we are not.

Radiyah gave u a clear answer I will emphasize it, may be she added about preists being Muslims in some cases.

Just to help u settle the confusion.

1. Allah Chose Islam as religion to His servants from day 1.

2. He sent numerous Prophets and Messengers starting from Adam ending with Mohamed peace and prayer be upon all of them calling for the same religion, giving the same teachings, calling for the same bases which is Allah Is One, we must worship Him the way He wants us to.

3. Allah Clearly told us to follow all of these messages, failure to do so puts us in trouble with HIm.

4. Being Jew or Christian does not put u in the state to worship Allah as per His rules, thus puts one in major trouble. Unless u die believing in Allah the Only One Deity worth to worship and Mohamed is His Messenger, u r in trouble.

5. I will try to make it simple using a worldy example, suppose u r employed with Intel. However, for reasons known to u, decided to attend to work at Microsoft. U did attend on time, stayed extra hours, strictly observed dead lines with your assignments, maintained an excellent behaviour, proved high level of professionalism. Remember all that is done while being in Microsot while u r employed with Intel. What do u expect from Intel, remember u didnt attend one single day.

The logical result is that, u will receive notices from Intel, followed by salary deductiom, then termination for continuous absence. Am I not correct? while Microsoft will not even pay u. U r in major trouble.

Same thing, u r worshiping, doing good deeds, but worshiping who and doing them to who is the ISSUE.

was I helpful.......

I am still waiting for u on the other thread, I know it is closed I will open it again to see your input.

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I see what you are saying, except I am still confused about the part where I asked what would seperate a Christian or Jew from a Muslim.

The Christian/Jew believes in the same God as the Muslim and worships only that one God, so why then in the eyes of Allah would they be any different - and what would make one deserve heaven over the other?

Take me for example - I am not a Muslim. I was raised as a Christian. But as you all know, I believe that there is only one God and no one else is worthy of praise and worship besides him, and I recognize Muhammed as his last messenger. I read the Quran and believe in it, but I do not pray 5 times a day facing Meccah, nor do I speak arabic. I pray numerous times a day - but not in the same way Muslims do.

I worship and praise the same God that a Muslim does, and I believe and have faith in the exact same things. What is it that seperates me from a Muslim - and why would Allah not grant me the same paradise as He promised the Muslim even though I believe the very same things?

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The Christian/Jew believes in the same God as the Muslim and worships only that one God, so why then in the eyes of Allah would they be any different - and what would make one deserve heaven over the other?

Asalaamu alaikum,

I hope nobody minds me jumping in here. The main difference between the Jew or Christian and the Muslim is the denial of Muhammed (may peace and blessings be upon him) as a messenger of Allah.

I cannot say what would make anyone deserve heaven over any other person (Muslim or non-Muslim). That is Allah's domain

Take me for example - I am not a Muslim. I was raised as a Christian. But as you all know, I believe that there is only one God and no one else is worthy of praise and worship besides him, and I recognize Muhammed as his last messenger. I read the Quran and believe in it, but I do not pray 5 times a day facing Meccah, nor do I speak arabic. I pray numerous times a day - but not in the same way Muslims do.

I believe you ARE Muslim. You have in your statement above, taken the SHAHADA. This makes you Muslim. It is the base of our religion. One God and Muhammed as the last messenger. As for you not praying 5 times a day, and not speaking Arabic. This simply means you are not a "practising" Muslim. If you believe in the Quran then the next logical step would be to put that guidance into practice - to begin to face Meccah when you pray. To pray 5 times, to fast etc. It is not necessary for a Muslim to speak Arabic by the way.

I worship and praise the same God that a Muslim does, and I believe and have faith in the exact same things. What is it that seperates me from a Muslim - and why would Allah not grant me the same paradise as He promised the Muslim even though I believe the very same things?

As I already mentioned - you ARE Muslim and if He wills, Allah will grant you paradise.

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Spider Mash a Allah u did clarify points and why would any one mind any one jumping into a topic, we are all here to learn and help others learn. Arent we...?

But I think the issue of heaven is settled for non Muslims Spider. am I not correct.

Many Ayahs clearly states that only Muslims will make it, but also with Allah's mercy. May be u mean, we can not judge regarding Muslims, who might be destined for how long in hell before heaven, yes in this u r right??? But basically u must be a Muslim.

And Josh u dont need to thank us for being patient, it is our duty, plus you r doing us a favor by bringing points and allowing us to reply and invest our time in the name of Allah. So carry on

Ok I will add one point Josh, u r assuming that Jews and Christians worship the same God as Muslims do, originally it is supposed to be this, but do they????

I mean for example do Christians worship the same God? are u sure they do?? to the best of my knowledge, they worship God who materialised into Jesus who sacrificed himself (or his son) on the cross. They worship Jesus who is also involved into a trinity issue about which we will not debate now. I have a verse of the Bible that i can quote here, usually I am so reluctant to do so. I dont like to discuss this way. My duty is not to underline bible mistakes but rather help u and others to realize the Quran...

So to settle your confusion Joshua, Christians and Jews of today do not worship again DO NOT WORSHIP the ONE God we are supposed to worship...

So how does this place them?

As Spider said making it to heaven is Allah's domain, but He Clearly stated in Quran just as in the post of Radiyah that Allah accepts only Islam. Logical enough it is what Allah commanded for...

Again Joshua as Spider told u, if u believe the way u expressed your self, u only need to take the decision to declare this to Allah in full with the intention in your heart that u r becoming a Muslim. In other words, to make a decision to change back to where u belonged. To go back home... To revert to Allah.

Praying and all will come later Insh a Allah. By the Will of Allah we will help when u cross safely.

But the big step is to pronounce shahada if u feel really comfortable about it...

U only have to say:

Doing so will make u a Muslim and thus can not call your self a Christian who believe in Allah the One and His Messenger..

If u ready for this now just say so will Insh a Allah walk u thru....

Because pronouncing the Shahada will entail other issues such as taking a bath immediately after saying with the intention of purifiying yourself and moving from disbelief into belief and also there are other issues that I will have a brother talk to u about....

Just let us know your position..

I know u must be sleepless now, thinking too much, wanting to hear an answer that u r fine like this, since u believe the way u do, u dont need to be formally committed. U need to hear an answer that nothing separate u from a formal Muslim. May be because u know u will have to change the life style, stop drinking alcohl, dating, other stuff, u might be also concerned about family members or friends. But Josh, in the Day After nothing will benefit u, nobody will be allowed to take responsibilities on your behalf.

Am I not right?? but Josh, if u feel the way u expressed yourself, who else is Worthy to be committed to except your Lord the REAL One, WHo Created u, granted u all the bounties u r enjoying, including and primarily finding the truth...

But I dont like to sound pushy, if u really feel the way u expresseed. U need to settle your situation without wasting more time. Unless u r not ready..

Because matter of fact, one of the conditions of taking Shahada is accepting it in heart then saying it with tongue. Again Josh, all praise be to Allah Who helped u cross the most difficult part of the fence. Do not delay your Shahada simply because no one can guarantee to live for one more minute until even I finish typing these lines.

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Ok back to our set of points in an effort to help any seeker easily go through the journey step by step.

As we already explained before that Allah made us all testify before Him that He Is our Only Deity worth of worship. We also covered the part of Adam's creation and the ever going problem with Ibless (Satan).

More on the same topic, Allah Is Unknown to us, we dont know His being, we can not imagine His being, but we know through His Names and Attributes that He is of a Super Power, nothing like Him.

After Allah Created skies and earth, Created Adam and informed the angles about him, he presented the trust to skies, earth and mountains. The trust is the responsibility to obey or disobey, believe or disbelieve. Skies and earth refused to assume it, while mankind accepted it as explained in Quran:"Truly, We did offer Al­Amanah (the trust or moral responsibility or honesty and all the duties which Allah has ordained) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it (i.e. afraid of Allah's Torment). But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust (to himself) and ignorant (of its results)." (Quran 33:72). In other words, skies, eaths and mountains of course have no will, while we do. Actually that is also the difference between mankind and angles.

We have the ability to believe or not, while angles dont have this ability.

we have brain through which we know Allah by looking at His signs just as in this post:

refer to the 5th post, u will see how Allah emphasied the difference between mankind and other creation which the brain and how we must use it.

Back to the wisdom of creation, Allah Created us obviously (makind and Jinn) to worship Him. Some may say well I dont see this as a goal of their existence.

To them I say, fine, they are in other words searching for the purpose of life, let us tackle this point from a worldly point of view.

Take for example a wealthy business man who established a group of companies, gave u a position in this well established firm? will u examine his motive behind this. His motive could be as we expect first is to invest his money, but this is only one apparent point, he may also be seeking to participate in market or technology development, secure a market share, introduce new technology, help openining job opprotunities or even contribute to the economy. It could be a long list of purposes, some of them known only to the business man involved that could not be expected by us. U will never busy yourself with this purpose in fact u will just focus on how to excel in your work, build your capabilities, imporve your performance, learn more to get closer to the senior managment and so forth. U will try and maintain a good behaviour, abide by the internal by laws and more.

so how about Allah Who Is the All Wise. His Wisdom Is incomparable, so why would we busy ourselves of the purpose of why are we here. It is enough that Allah Gave us a chance to be here, to worship Him, to enjoy the numerous bounties He bestowed on us, to try and get more closer to Him. It is a chance Allah Allowed us to take Insh a Allah by going through this transit trip taking us to the final destination.