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It's a shame that discussion got awkward earlier, because it had potential. The only problem is everyone has their own definitions of the terms. You'd have to agree to what those words even mean in order to broach the larger question, which is a task people have struggled with since forever.

Jdawg did start raising his voice to talk over ya. But he's young so he might not have realized it really.

I've been in his position, about 7-8 years ago. I ran a newspaper route before work to make ends meet and would get sucked into AM Talk Radio. I was naive to buy into everything because of the slick presentation and a few good points that were made instead of just agreeing that there were good points and listening objectively. But if you've never listened to it you wouldn't understand how much they preach about being under constant attack from "Liberals" and the "Liberal Media". It literally makes you want to treat any political discussion as a battle for your side, and a win helps your cause immensely. I'm not trying to dismiss Jdawg's position I just know where's he's coming from though I've moved on from that politically.