So we’ve got thousands (!) of dangerous Middle Easterners in prison (not counting the many “diplomatic personnel” we’ve kicked out of the country, like those Iranians working at the UN caught photographing subway stations and bridges in the middle of the night), and surely we do not have them all. Some of them must have burrowed in. A friend in the FBI told me, in the nineties, that they had identified sleeper terrorists working as doctors, dentists, and attorneys. They had excellent “cover,” in short, they were not what most people imagine (crazed fanatics running around with scimitars shouting short phrases in Arabic and praying in airports on their little carpets).

And then there is the frightening story of a possible fifth terrorist team on 9/11. This is documented by a Wikileaks classified cable given to the London Telegraph.

It tells of a 3-man team of Qataris who flew from London to the United States, staked out some targets in New York and Washington, and then went to southern California. They were scheduled on the American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon (the one on which Barbara Olson was murdered), but, at the last minute, they switched flights and left the country.

So they’ve come here. Some have installed themselves among us, others have passed through. But doubt not that there are terrorists waiting for the “go code” to attack. Indeed, we often find them in the trunks of nice cars crossing our borders.

We’re at war, but our leaders are forever forbidding us to even say it. Yet denial will only make things worse, offering more opportunities to our would-be killers. You know, the ones that don’t officially exist. Except they always have.

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Horseradish

Despite the apparent lack of physical similarities, President Obama and Queen Elizabeth the First have one thing in common. They both adhere to the motto “video et taceo”. The Islamists, as you are quite aware, have a two pronged plan in dealing with the West. Firstly it is through unchecked procreation. The average birth rate for Western Europe is at 1.3 and 1.6 for the U.S. The average birth rate for Muslim immigrants to the West is 8.5. This means that Western Europe will within a few decades be comprised of Islamic nations. The same will hold true for the U.S. with a few more decades added. A good majority of these immigrants have no intention of assimilation. In fact, like the Borg, they wish to assimilate the indigenous populations. Secondly, they have, as you mentioned, strategically placed sleeper cells to wreak havoc once the order is given. The longer poltical correctness is allowed to be the guiding light in dealing with these realities, the more danger will innocent people be faced with. Should we silently accept such cruelty from our national leaders? When the time comes to vote for the next President, we must evaluate him or her on this very narrow premise; is he or she going to deal realistically and harshly with this threat. We shall worry about his or her position on abortion and supply side or demand side ecnomics later. Ok? Pretty please.

Don’t you mean Queen Elizabeth II? Elizabeth I was queen during Shakespeare’s day, and was probably England’s smartest royal in history. She overcame the religious chasm left by her father, and turned England into a mighty empire of the seas. She made England rich by raiding Spanish ships loaded with gold and silver from Latin American countries.

Yes, actually, it is something to be very proud of. Intelligent people understand history through the prism of the context of the times not through today’s standards and morés. For a little island that had barely become a stable nation to take on the superpower that thought nothing of annihilating heathen Englishmen, was quite impressive.

@emmaliza; One does not create value (wealth) by stealing or taking stores of values; e.g. gold. One creates wealth, inter alia, by creating a manufacturing/industrial base and by stimulating trade with other nations. If you reexamine British history, I think you’ll find that is what Elizabeth I initiated and what later culminated in the industrial revolution that made Britain rich. The amount of gold and silver plundered from the Spanish was minuscule compared to the amount that actually reached Spanish shores.

Frankly, the “secure the border” folks would have been a lot better off and continued to get more support if they focused on two aspects of border insecurity and left the “illegal immigrants” question as a very low, “rarely mentioned except in respect to these other two issues” concern.

the potential for terrorist infiltration and the current, extremely ugly, border war with drug runners. They could have even focused on the terrible cost to people of the “coyotes” who routinely leave people to rot in trailers and trains when things go bad. The coyotes run and the people die. Then there is the “human trafficking” which results the horrific price of virtual slavery in prostitution, sweatshops and various other horrifying, degrading and deadly activities.

In other words, they should have added or simply co-oped liberal concerns with their own and left the “bad immigrants eating out our substance (ie, welfare, medicaid, etc) alone. Those would have and could have been addressed by simply putting pressure on border security for actual security concerns and human rights violation would have the effect of slowing illegal immigration.

Instead, any politician wanting to get elected, even if he leans that way on border security, has to stay away and virtually leaves our security in the hands of the border patrol (still under funded and undermanned without the right tools and technology) and what is turning out to be a series of corrupt officials running the little towns on the border.

We are at war, in ways that most people don’t want to know about. So long as nothing goes boom in their neighborhood. then there will be all sorts of demands and finger pointing.

Still, I’m not sure the “border security” folks can come out of this. the patina of xenophobia, however real or engineered by media attention on the worst, has tainted it. On the other hand, the Mexican drug runners, the unremitting murders, may be the opening border security enthusiasts need to take advantage of.

That’s all very nice Kat-Mo, but you’re missing an important point: the pro-illegal left and their useful idiots like McCain keep trying to change the law, and legalize EVERYBODY who sneaks across the border. THEY are the aggressors; those who care about nat’l security, the rule of law, common decency (why do those desiring to immigrate legally have to wait YEARS, if McCain wants to instantly regularize the line-jumpers?), and who actually learn from history (Didn’t we already try amnesty? half a dozen times? Did it EVER work to slow the flow of illegals?) — these people are on DEFENSE.

And you’d have them simply stand down, and let the McCains carry the day? Do you REALLY think that would help?

If Saudi Arabia’s involvement in global terrorism were outlined and defined, then we might actually get somewhere. The unfortunate reality is Banking and political interests in USA have formed economic ties with the worlds largest sponsor of Terrorism.

Until a journalist with courage writes an accurate truth regarding global terrorism and the House of Saud’s financing, its all for naught. We are tugging at loose strings, instead of tackling the problem head on.

Where are the journalists of old when Presidents and banks were held accountable..? we have traded truth for trade contracts, lives for bank ledgers. Until someone stands and asks why this is so, we will continue deserving exactly what we are receiving.

It’s even worse than you imagine! The lame stream media doesn’t care about reporting incoming revolutionaries because they want to report on the revolution. Maybe a Purrlitzer! The scariest thing is that the CIA has known for decades who the supporters of terrorism are within the Saudi regime, has their names, and every president has known which whores they party with (real and figuratively) and yet We the People still don’t know. The wool is down over our eyes. We’ll be blinded by the brightness of the truth when it is finally removed.

And all we can do is talk about it (at least so far), because the progressive power structure in control of every level of our society has rendered impotent the true will of the people to affect meaningful change.

“We’re at war, but our leaders are forever forbidding us to even say it. Yet denial will only make things worse, offering more opportunities to our would-be killers. You know, the ones that don’t officially exist.”

You know, this reminds me so much of the Cold War, when Soviet agents and sleeper cells were all over the United States and you had both the FBI and the CIA trying to hunt them down. There is only one problem with this analogy of mine. During the Cold War, the espionage game was played in a way that when agents were caught, they were held and then traded by both sides like chess pieces. Many agents were killed on both sides (a fact few people know about today), but many agents were also caught (especially diplomatic ones) and then traded, usually over the bridge separating East and West Germany.

But today’s game is different. The Jihadists playing this “game” are playing for keeps. They have no intention of being caught and they are not working to forward the ambitions of a country. They are doing this simply to find a method of killing the greatest number of Americans in the shortest possible time. That concept alone should strike fear in the hearts of all Americans. You are dealing with a bunch of people who not only hate us, but simply want to find the means of killing as many of us as possible in the shortest amount of time. And they don’t really care if they get killed in the process. In fact, to many of them death is a reward, which is even more chilling.

Unfortunately, the only way of dealing with these fanatics is by killing them. Sound too harsh? I urge all Americans to start reading up on the great anti-western revolt by Muslims in the Sudan against Great Britain during the 1870s and 1880s. There was a religious fanatic in the Sudan named Muhammad Ahmad who called himself “the Mahdi” or “The Chosen One” who led a revolt against the British Empire. It was an anti-Western revolt and all “Westerners” or Christians were to be killed. He won major victories against British colonial armies which culminated in the capture of the city of Khartoum that was defended by a British General name Charles George “Chinese” Gordon, a truly remarkable figure in Victorian England. Ahmed had Gordon killed at Khartoum, which forced the Gladstone government at that time to send a large British Army to the Sudan to avenge Gordon’s death. The British arrived but it wasn’t until the Battle of Omdurman in 1898 that the Mahdi’s uprising was finally put down and destroyed.

The British found through very hard experience that the only way to deal with fanatics like this was by totally crushing them. Today, our enemies do not dare face us on the battlefield because they know they will lose, and badly. So they resort to terrorism as a tactic to promote their religious agenda. So what do we do? When we capture them we give them long trials or put them up in “Club Gitmo” for God knows how long, hardly cruel and inhuman punishment. Problem is, the jihadists are laughing at this. They know that even if they get caught not much will happen to them. If you want this to stop, you must do what the British did over 100 years ago and that’s crush them using the most violent force possible, as at Omdurman. Only then will they fear you and respect you and leave you alone. It is the Islamic way of doing things in the Middle East, so if we’re going to play their game we should be playing by their rules, and their rules call for absolutely no mercy.

Firing the occasional Hellfire missile at a terrorist may give them pause, but it will not persuade them to give up. Only something truly horrible, such as destroying an entire town filled with al Qaeda soldiers, will get their attention. And if you make it clear to them that you will do this again, and again, and again, it will certainly give them something to think about. This is the same tactic Nixon used against the North Vietnamese in the final bombings of Hanoi, the “Madman Policy,” which proved to the North Vietnamese that Nixon would stop at nothing to end the war. And you know what? It worked. The North Vietnamese gave in and we had our peace treaty.

Always remember the first thing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said when he was captured by the Bush administration. He said, “I want to talk to my lawyer.” So long as these people know they have nothing to fear from us, they will carry on this war, until we stop them for good.

‘The British found through very hard experience that the only way to deal with fanatics like this was by totally crushing them.’

…and President Jefferson founded the Marine Corp and sent 3 battleships to what is now Libya and put down the sultan of that time because of the increasingly hostile attacks of our trading vessels and enslavement of the crews. When asked by what right the sultan was attacking our trading vessels the ambassador was told that it was ‘theirs by right of Allah’ since we, as opposed to the Europeans, were not paying the zakat(effectively blackmail) to them.
We’ve been fighting them ever since and civilization has been fighting these barbarians since 640 AD, but now our government insists on us not calling them what they are and denying the fact we are and have been fighting a war with Islam, not at OUR instigation, but Islams.
Get informed and fight back or die. Preaching to the choir here, I know, but too many are turning a blind eye to the truth. It’s all OUR fault?? Not even close.

Michael, this siren of personal defense in the US is a good one to continue to remind us with. However, those of us who are awake know in our hearts and our guts that something is coming. that evil lurks in our country and sometime, somewhere Americans of stout heart and mind will have to defend themselves and others against our enemies in our country.
We are ready because we know our government populated by Progressives have set us up for this onslaught.
We have millions of helpless citizens who have nursed at the Progressive/Liberal teat and knows nothing else.
I go to work everyday acting like everything is normal. I wake up and go to sleep everyday in prayer, thankful for the day, my family, my friends and my Faith…but somehow, I know that something is coming.
I don’t know how many of our friends in the Northeast and West are ready, but here in the South and the Midwest their are men and women of good hearts and pioneer blood who will not be terrorized by Jihad crazies. If I were them, I would turn around and go somewhere else than here. We are ready and we aren’t going anywhere.

Oh, come now, you know we are safer than ever! Big Sis and the mighty “o” said so. Seriously, we are infiltrated by these animals because we ( our wonderful members of Congress) have done little or nothing to stop this stuff.Why will no one seal the borders. . . or scream loud and long about the need to seal them. The new Repugs seem to be continuing the same bs as the old ones.

Well, of course, they’re already here. And most of them will have come here the same way the 9/11 cells came here: thru the legal immigration system i.e. the USCIS, formerly the INS. A system made worse by the Bush administration and continued into the Obama administration, due to a cynical and misguided focus on the Hispanic (and generic immigrant) vote rather than fixing a broken agency and a comically tragic corrupt work force.

Just last year, the Department of Homeland Security had in custody thousands of detainees from Afghanistan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. U.S. Border Patrol statistics indicate that there were 108,025 OTMs (“Other Than Mexicans”) detained in 2006, compared to 165,178 in 2005 and 44,614 in 2004.

So we’ve got thousands (!) of dangerous Middle Easterners in prison…

I have to take issue with this analysis. Given that OTM means exactly what the author says – Other Than Mexican – the vast majority of these 108,025 people are probably from Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Peru, etc. not Afghanistan, Egypt or other countries in the Middle East or Asia.

I’m quite willing to accept that some of those detainees are not from Central or South America, but surely not all or even most of them. None of the countries in Central and South America are as free or prosperous as the United States so all of the people in those countries have strong economic reasons to come to the United States so that they can live a better life. (Which is not to say that Americans are morally obligated to let them do so!) But please, don’t paint them all as terrorists or Al-Qaida sleeper agents!

We have yet to really talk about the mass of something over 2 million (not the 8 million that CAIR likes to say are here) in-assimilable Muslim “colonists” here in this country, of their various colonies and beachheads that we have so foolishly and suicidally helped them settle into, Muslims who are not necessarily active Jihadis, but who form the environment–in Maoist guerrilla warfare terminology the “ocean”–through which the active Jihadis swim, and which gives them oxygen, and food, and concealment too, and is a recruiting ground and the reserve force for the active Jihadis. And is, moreover, as we have seen, a source for “self-starters”; we have pulled this Trojan Horse inside our walls.

Thus, a good first step would be to enact a permanent ban on any further immigration by Muslims to this country, and certainly no more suicidal church or NGO driven do-gooder projects to import trouble by “welcoming” plane loads of in-assimilable, primitive, and very orthodox Muslim “refugees” from places like Somalia and plunking them down in Minnesota and Tennessee, or facilitating the enormous Palestinian and Hezbollah supporting colony in Dearborn, Michigan.

If we are ever to have even a chance of getting a handle on this internal security problem, such immigration, facilitation, and pro-Muslim policies must stop, although with Barack Hussain Obama in the White House and clueless political hack Janet Nepolitano as head of DHS, I doubt very much that this will happen under this administration.

Tyson Food in Shelbyville , Tennessee has eliminated Labor Day as a paid holiday in favor of the last day of Ramadan because they have 700 MUSLIM EMPLOYEES!!!!! The fact that they have almost that many NON-muslim employees is beside the point apparently!

I will no longer purchase any Tyson products. It’s just one more little chunk of America that’s been bitten off. If you wish to join me, then let your e-mail friends know this. If we don’t stand up for something we will
fall for anything.

The first step we could easily take to show the jihadists and other barbarians we have at least some backbone would be for the commander-in-chief to order the United States Navy to patrol the Indian Ocean, blockade the Somali coast, board all ships, seize all so called “mother ships” used in support of piracy, and execute at sea all persons clearly engaged in piracy. And stop paying ransoms.

Secondly, we should build, just like the Cold War Iron Curtain, a mined, fully patrolled, multi-layered deep network of fences and trenches along our southwestern border. (As a historical side note, when the Roman legions were on the march, each night they dug trenches around their encampments and set up guarded spiked palisades. They understood they were surrounded by barbarians. We should acknowledge the same reality.)

Thirdly, we should, like every other major country, establish a secure national identity card system. The identity card would be required for employment, voting, and for seeking any sort of welfare benefit. (As another side-note, there is no reason we should be providing full welfare benefits to non-citizens. In particular, in the case of illegal immigrants from Mexico we provide them with welfare, food stamps, and free medical care—all the while they send substantial amounts of their untaxed wages back home to Mexico to support their family members there.)

Fourthly, we should carefully reconsider our political asylum and other immigration policies with regard to immigrants from Muslim countries. During World War II, did we allow free and unfettered immigration from Germany, Italy, and Japan to the United States. Of course not.

Finally, if you are caught as an illegal immigrant, you should be placed in a relocation camp for a term of years before being deported. As it currently happens, many are deported, and told not to return, only to re-enter the United States a short time later. Slaps on the wrist are not sufficient.

In short, we must recognize that we have been at war with the Muslim world since at least the Carter years. illegal actions must be met with significant consequences.

At every opportunity I see I type out a comment citing our need to impliment “Containment”….that proven method we Americans (and others) applied successfully during the Soviet Era. If we deal prompty and harshly with these Islamist “sleepers” as we find them inside our shores, and also contain Iran and those parts of Islamist Central/West Asia nurturing these Islamist terrorists physically and financially, we will start in the right direction….not continuing as we do making Islamist terrorism a political issue and calling it something ridiculous like a “man made event”.

As with the borg, resistance to this islamist/jihadist juggernaught is futile. What changed after 9/11? Offense to Islam has become more a cause for concern to our leaders than protecting us from terrorism. It is as if our leaders have all been assimilated by the Borg collective. In the military, rules of engagement sound like they were written for a San Fran beat cop than for soldiers having to kill the enemy. Diversity of the army is more important than dead soldiers (witness the Fort Hood reaction). For whatever reason, our leaders are willing to accept the deaths of American civilians at the hands of terrorists, because the political cost to take steps to protect the American people and fight the enemy is not worth bearing to these politicians.

This does not end well. For an idea of what the future will look like after the next terror attack, read “Age of Tolerance”. Suicide by PC is all the rage in Western nations these days.

If you live in a border state, you may have already pondered the probability of violent groups, since we are rapidly losing the southern border to terror-causing drug gangs who murder at will. Mexico has descended into anarchy already.

It helps to know the history of the area. When the Spanish came, the nomadic tribes with better killing skills preyed on the peaceful tribes. They continued to wreak havoc on the early priests and settlers from Spain and Mexico, later farmers from Germany and the U.S. What stopped them was the Winchester repeating rifle, coupled with the government’s bounty on the buffalo, their food supply. These warring people were replaced with outlaws from the East who made life frightening for law-abiding citizens. Vigilante groups were instrumental in stopping this violence; they probably hung a few innocents, but they made civilized life possible. What would have happened if everyone who lived in the area, from the peaceful tribes to the settlers, over the centuries had been politically correct?

Mexico’s federal government ignored the drug business for decades. Now that it is trying to deal with the terror on the border, it is powerless to stop it. Even Acapulco is off-limits to tourists. The Texas governor trying to contain the violence asked for Washington’s help but was ignored by the president and Homeland Security. This seems to be their stance with regard to other terrorists, as well.

Since today’s terrorism, be it drug gangs or jihadists, is not one nation against another, is it perhaps time to start thinking about citizens militias, unconstrained by political correctness? This question keeps popping into my head, despite trying to ignore history.

Western leaders are on the side of barbaric Muslim terrorists. The U.S. continually gives advanced military training to PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization. One terrorist declared that all of the military training given by the U.S. is used against Israel’s Jews. The highly advanced U.S. military training will most certainly be used by the terrorists against Americans in America!

Well, they certainly don’t have their work cut out for them. The U.S. Government is doing a fantastic job on their own. They have just completed the destabilization of the Middle East by sinking the Sunni opposition to Shi’ite power centered in Iran. First it was Iraq. Then Turkey. Then Egypt. The only other opposition is Saudi Arabia. I think that they have their bags packed.

Of course they are here. Hezbollah, the whole crowd. Some gov. agency acknowledged at least Hezbollah was here a couple years back, for all the good it did.

If I had an enemy with a porous border flowing with brown people, and I had brown skin, infiltrating would be the obvious thing to do. Allying myself with the Mexican gangs would also be obvious, and all have seen the beheadings, etc.

Appointing Muslim Brotherhood to key posts in the U.S. government is approval of, and aids and abets the Muslim Brotherhood goal of the destruction of America and the Free World and its replacement by a global Islamic state.

From the document of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America:

The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” and all the word means. The
Ikhwan [Arabic for brothers] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within, and sabotage its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated, and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.

It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny…”

As necessary and important as Rep. King’s hearings are on Muslim radicalization in America, it is far more important that an investigation and hearings are made on the government’s collusion with radical Islam to bring about Islamic conquest of our great nation.

I am surprised that I had to read thru so many posts before before Linda’s: Iam shocked that so few know so little about the imminent danger from radical Islam that is in every state of this country. Got a mosque in your area, then you have Muslims. Islam is their faith. The Qur’an; their name for bible, it cotains verses and the laws for Islam. These verses(sura)and laws (Shari’a) are the word of God (allah), they were spoken to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, They were not written, as Muhammad could not read or write, but he was told to recite them to memorize them

. Muslims are commanded by the Qur’an to not take non-Muslims for friends and allies, except to fool them, if you are under their authority and you fear for your safety.Verse 3:28 Muslims are commanded to bring the whole world under Islam by persuasion first and force if necessary. Verse:9:5. 9;29.

A very important to understand that Shari’a, God’s law, ‘it is immutable and above the understanding of mankind’ and Shari’a commands that Muskims cannot owe allegiance to any man-made government and its laws, only to Allah is allegiance given. Giving allegiance to any nation, leader, etc, would be making them false ods, equal to Allah. Verse 4:16 describes this as SHIRK, and Allah severely condemns it.

One of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928, was Sayyid Qutb, hung in 1966 in Egypt. who wrote in one of his books, “Milestones” that Muslims in the USA would consider as false gods the president, congress, supreme court and the Constitution.

The Muslim Brotherhood operates throughout the world. Hamas, Al Quaeda, the Taliban are all part of it and it is part of them. There is no main leader in Islamn, nothing like a pope or bishop. Imam is a teacher. Anyone who knows the Qur’an can be an imam.

To learn more of Islam, google ‘Islam or Muslim Brotherhood. As soon as the MB feels strong enough they nSHALL do jihad; Shari’a commands it. In England and some European cities, there are NO-GO zones, so named because of the strong Muslim population and the rule of shari;a law.

IT IS WAKE UP TIME, FOLKS. tHE AIM OS THE MUSLIMS IS TO BRING THE WORLD UNDER ISLM, IN THE U.s. under our constitution, that is sedition, BUT, GOOD LUCK GETTING oBAMA AND hOLDER;S jUSTICE dEPARTMENT TO ACT ON THAT

When I try and tell some liberals that America is under attack from within, they laugh at me and tell me that I am worried about something that will never happen….. “THIS IS AMERICA. I recently finished reading a book called American Jihad, it details very nicely how America has had terrorists inside it’s borders for at least 40 years, and how our intel organizations are basically handcuffed when they try to bring “home grown”terrorism to light.

This is a serious problem,people. They aren’t going to decide one day that they change their minds and don’t want to destroy us, they are waiting for the right time.

I agree with “Horseradish.” Lies, lies and more lies. The Bible calls them a FLOOD OF LIES! This is Illuminati trash. The whole “Islamic” theme is the power brokers trying to create World War III and wipe us all out. THey are the “race” of the fallen angels – Hitler was trying to create. The Nephilim who want the earth to themselves.

9/11 was done by our own government – too much information that proves this.

Obama IS NOT IN THE WHITEHOUSE. Obama is our “Joker” – a cartoon character
created on BIll Gates computers – photoshopped! We don’t have a President – except the ILluminati and the Queen of England.

I believe that there are sleeper agents in the US. I think there is one in the White House. Why does Obama have a social security number allocated for a resident of Connecticut when he never lived there?

So rather than wasting time on “radicalization” and casting social nets and publicity stunts as if it is a social American problem, catch the professionals. These are not kids reading jihad; they are real, organized and they are here. They cannot be captured by hearings, they will not show social “radical” tendencies. They are not radicals; they are professional terrorists.
US should look for them at the source, real human intel from the source regimes and groups. After they come out, everyone would point finger to someone else.

Libertyship46, Leatherneck and Steve DeMarcus…got any ideas or suggestions for actions to take? I’d prefer not to simply respond to attack, but take some initiative. That is, I can shoot back, but someone in another pew might already be dead. “IHS” Thanks

Well at least our ever vigilant media has it’s eye on Rep. Peter King, the guy who is “poisoning” the atmosphere according to a CBS reporterette, against islam that is. Odd, but all King is doing is just what Napolitano suggested when she said the biggest threat comes from homegrown terrorists.

” She made England rich by raiding Spanish ships loaded with gold and silver from Latin American countries.”

That’s something smart to be proud of ???”

People need to be aware of the times. It was a different time with different morals, it was quiet intelligent of the time. This post is a bit off base though. To think there is somesort of widespread conspiracy that muslims in western countries have a high birth rate is just silly.