You ask for summations when I have summed up what I am saying in my post which
I’ll repeat for you …

What you’ve said kind of embraces again the idea that fascism isn’t here unless we see
Brown Shirts beating people in the streets, or Jews being rounded up.
But … by then it is too late.

And that you can’t “distinguish” against a campaign of hatred against Mexicans
or Muslims and what Hitler did with Jews.
The campaigns and propaganda came BEFORE the events.
There is no "big difference."
Neither was there any big difference when Democrats were creating terrorism
and false flag events like 9/11.

So as to Revolution - nonviolent or otherwise - just what in real terms are you describing? What would this presumably nonviolent Revolution look like? What would happen? How would these things come about?

What I recommend constantly in my posts is that we stop cooperating with Elites
and with Capitalism … in non-violent ways …
That we can all unite as labor without the permission of government or corporations.
That we can all respond to a lack of National Health Care by pulling the plug on cable TV.
That we can stand against the exploitation of the planet and humans by stopping the
chain of violence which begins with animal-eating …
There are many other non-violent means.

Again, Were, you missed the points of my comments on Che – i.e., that I do NOT
recommend nor support violent revolution …
and two, that I was comparing the Dem Party’s “collusion” with Elites and the GOP to
the VICHY fake French government and its collusion with the Nazis.

And the very fact that you haven’t commented on the CIA Operations I suggested to
you, makes clear to me that you are probably not very willingly reading my replies to
you – and/or you really have no interest in what I’m saying to you.
And I think this is probably a very good place to end our discussion.

I bought the original book titled “Operation Paperclip” decades ago when it first splashed across the headlines. I had a relative who worked for NASA back in the days when Werhner Von Braun ran the missile program and who knew him. Paperclip became a media issue long after it was not really relevant anymore. The furor that arose when former Nazi scientists and spies as well as police officials were given a free ride ala the ‘needs of the Cold War realities’ was a scandal for most Americans at the time, particularly veterans.

While today’s media makes it seem like it was something of a conspiracy (MK Ultra was discussed in the Village Voice back in the seventies but it wasn’t mainstream by any stretch of the imagination), post war there was hardly an American who didn’t know about Von Braun as it was almost a joke (featured in cartoons no less). Nevertheless serious investigators reminded people of Von Braun’s own culpability in using Jewish slave labor, however that was rarely mentioned in the media as he was now discussed as ‘Our Former Nazi Scientist’!

Paperclip was an actual operation carried out – not some fable in a book.
And it was being put in play two years before the end of WWII.
200,000 ex-Nazis were brought into the US – used to found the CIA, funneled
into our FBI and other government agencies – and to “hot spots” around the world.
JFK had some very great concerns when he realized that Werhner Von Braun was
heading up the NASA program, including the fact that he wanted to use nuclear fuel.
I would say the doubts about the US Moon Landing prove those concerns to be correct.

You seem to be suggesting that this was a scandal that came and went. Of course, it didn’t.
It is why we have fascist leaders in the US today, it is why we have fascist leaders rising all
over the world today. ALL of these programs have continued on.

MKULTRA was a conspiracy which has never ended if you understand human sex trafficking.
child trafficking, organ trafficking which parallels the same pathways as drug trafficking …;
and it is happening with the assistance of high government officials in the US and around the
world. MKULTRA was not only run in the US… it is run in Australia, and the UK … to name
just a few nations which were corrupted by this program.

Try reading some beyond old news, Were – !!!

MKULTRA is about Mind Control – actually read something about it.

We are still in the same gene pool which gave us the Genocide vs 112 million native peoples
here to steal their land –
and the enslavement of Africans here for 250 years – and another 100 years of Segregation.
And the Civil War which resulted from that protection of slavery.

Now tell me the one about our Constitution and “All are created equal” … !!!

Wereflea:

bought the original book titled “Operation Paperclip” decades ago when it first splashed across the headlines. I had a relative who worked for NASA back in the days when Werhner Von Braun ran the missile program and who knew him. Paperclip became a media issue long after it was not really relevant anymore. The furor that arose when former Nazi scientists and spies as well as police officials were given a free ride ala the ‘needs of the Cold War realities’ was a scandal for most Americans at the time, particularly veterans.

While today’s media makes it seem like it was something of a conspiracy (MK Ultra was discussed in the Village Voice back in the seventies but it wasn’t mainstream by any stretch of the imagination), post war there was hardly an American who didn’t know about Von Braun as it was almost a joke (featured in cartoons no less). Nevertheless serious investigators reminded people of Von Braun’s own culpability in using Jewish slave labor, however that was rarely mentioned in the media as he was now discussed as ‘Our Former Nazi Scientist’!

The simplest way is to expand Medicare –
We could begin by lowering the age from 65 to 45 …
We could make sure that all dependent children are covered in the next step - 18 or 21.
We could then in the third step, cover everyone in between. 22 to 44.
Each step could take an average of 3 months – and we should have emergency situations.
People who have problems with their eyes which can lead to blindness and where they are
uncovered for very expensive lenses, for instance…
But it has to be a program based in PREVENTIVE health care, not cures which are fakery.
And we would have to ensure that the programs are not starved for funds.
Nine months into the program, we would have everyone covered.

This isn’t inventing the wheel … every other nation has National Health Care – even Mexico–!!

Americans are now laying out as much money as the very luxurious system in Switzerland costs
their citizens … except that we don’t get the health care.

PLUS we have not only the corrupt involvement of insurance companies adding a huge profit margin,
but also Big Pharma which is pushing drugs making us ill and charging us 10X and 100X and more
for drugs than what citizens of other nations pay for them.

There’s no question – the money is there – and it has long been there.

Well, I am not funded by Koch or anyone. I think it would be good at least
at the Rep. level to have several permutations of Left from D to
Dem/Socialist. Then, like Parliaments, coalitions could be formed without
everyone having to agree to everything dictated from the top. I suppose
the right could do the same. I realize that the Presidency would be a tough
situation as we are not really set up for more than two parties. I feel
that the top of both parties is so entrenched and frankly wealthy that they
really don’t represent me or many of us.

Don’t know how you’re doing with your reading, but somehow I’m getting much less
reading done of actual books – so I have read large parts of fairly recent books but still
have a lot of catching up to do. The internet takes a lot of my reading time.
Don’t own JFK/Unspeakable so I haul it out of the library every now and then … or
catch up when I’m at Barnes & Noble and very much hope that younger readers are
using the library and more current books to understand what has happened to our country.

Of course, I knew Allan Dulles was rotten to the core, but I still find the evils recited in
"The Devil’s Disciple" by David Talbot can still horrify me and I have to go away from the
book for a while.

Dulles also well knew that many Americans weren’t taking the time to do much reading
and often it was of fiction which was hyped in reviews versus non-fiction.