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Kim Kardashian

Kim Kardashian (1980- ) is a rich party girl from Los Angeles, California. Till 2007 she was mainly known as a friend of Paris Hilton, but then a sex video of her and her boyfriend, the singer Ray J, made the rounds on the Internet. After that she made the cover of Complex, King, Playboy and other magazines.

According to this blog she is the fifth most beautiful woman in the world. She has big, beautiful eyes, a beautiful face, long, thick black hair and a great figure. Her measurements are 35D-26-40 (89-66-102 cm). She is 5 foot 3 (1.60 metres).

When Paris Hilton was asked if she wanted a big bottom like Kardashian, she said, “.. it’s gross! It reminds me of cottage cheese inside a big trash bag.”

Even though Kardashian is white, black men seem to like her more than white men. She was the first white woman to make the cover of King magazine yet she barely made white American Maxim’s Hot 100.

Since she herself seems to prefer black men, did she use her family’s money to give herself a black woman’s body?

She says no: all the women in her family have her sort of figure. But there is at least one picture of her where her legs seem too thin compared to the rest of her body and another one where her bottom was clearly smaller than it is now.

She said that Jennifer Lopez’s pride in her figure gave her the courage to show off hers. And that she did, naked, in Playboy in December 2007 in what she calls “tastefully done” pictures.

She said she appeared in Playboyat the urging of her mother (yes) and “because I’m not one of those stick skinny girls you see. I felt like girls today need to see a normal body.”

When Vivid Videoput out her sex video in 2007 she took them to court. How could she face her grandmother? But later that same year Kardashian herself put out a much longer sex video.

Many think she masterminded the whole sex video thing from beginning to end: it was all a bit too much like what her friend Paris Hilton did a few years before. And the video is too well done to seem like something private that suddenly saw the light of day.

If the name Kardashian seems somehow familiar you are probably thinking of her father: he helped to defend OJ Simpson at his murder trial in 1995. He came out of retirement to do it: he and Simpson were friends.

In 1989 when she was little her parents divorced. Her mother married Olympic gold-medal winner Bruce Jenner.

She was married to R & B producer Damon Thomas from 2000 to 2004. A mistake, she says.

She and Paris Hilton have known each other since they were little girls: their mothers were friends.

she’s a pretty girl and i don’t think she has implants in my opinion. i think people say that because they hate or choose not to believe that’s not hers because she’s not black and i think it’s dumb because anyone from a different race can have a big butt.

of course anyone can have a big butt , but afro butt it s clearly different.
I don t care about her fake butt, and if u got a fake one that doen t really mean u want to be black, I know some of my brasilian friend with fake butts , they think just a big butt instead of plain it s more attractive and sexy.

lil’vina,
I respect your opinion but the main reason I don’t respect the Kim Kardashians and Paris Hiltons of this world is that they are given a great deal of undeserved attention primarily for their sex tapes (and other sleazy activities) while other more talented and accomplished BW are ignored.

If everything was the same (sex tapes, business ownership, etc.) but Kim Kardashian were a BW, NO ONE (especially the ANTI-BW, racist media) would be hyping her looks, so called talent, or ANYTHING about her.

Her butt is fake, her sister also has fake boobs and is open about it. Khloe has a flat bottom and smaller boobs and she’s natural. Why would Kim be the only one with a big butt and boobs naturally? I used to think they were really cool until I realized she’s just as fake as everyone else in Hollywood. That bothered me 😦

I may sound as if I’m hating, but I can’t stand the likes of Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton. Besides using their family names to get ahead, what have they achieved out of their own merit? Nothing. It goes to show you all the money in the world can’t buy class. Tacky ladies, they are.

I agree with your statements, but I also give Kim K. the side-eye because she and her sisters have very racist views of Black men. They seem to love the “savage Mandingo” stereotype, and I feel they collect Black men as status trophies. Ironic, since so many Black men are into them (especially Kim). Do they not realize that they fulfill her stereotype fantasy?

I must be honest here and admit I don’t really support (though I try to understand) if someone wants to date only people of his/her own race. I support interracial relationships.

But those things should not be forced. Exoticizing people of other races and making them your sexual fantasies doesn’t help. That’s why many men (women?) who only date outside their race are actually racist. They are chasing people of other colour because they have a fetish.

I think they do have fetishes (or get a kick out of being able to “get Black guys”). Kim is most suspect because she has a fake butt.

Mira,

Lol yes, God saw fit to bless the earth with 3 Kardashian sisters, named (get this) Khortney, Kim, and Khloe (oldest to youngest). The main point is that they are all way too old to act the way they do.

I don’t have a problem with IR dating (my boyfriend is White, so that would be really hypocritical), but their pursuit of “urban” Black men (rappers, basketball and football players, R&B singers, etc.) seems funny to me. I think they like the “thugs”, plus Kim especially really wants to appeal to the “urban” Black demographic for some reason.

There have been speculation regarding her buttocks having implants. I don’t know whether it’s real or not. However, the way her derriere hangs, it doesn’t look right imho.

@Jasmin:

Leigh204,

I agree with your statements, but I also give Kim K. the side-eye because she and her sisters have very racist views of Black men. They seem to love the “savage Mandingo” stereotype, and I feel they collect Black men as status trophies. Ironic, since so many Black men are into them (especially Kim). Do they not realize that they fulfill her stereotype fantasy?

Yeah, you’re right. I remember Ray J and Reggie Bush. And Kim’s sister, Khloe’s just married Lamar Odom not too long ago. They do stereotype black men. I recall a recent interview with shock jock, Howard Stern. And they talk about why they love black men and their butts…even remarking “once you go black, you never go back.”

I think my post answers your question (I’m pretty sure we were typing at the same time), but I also thought about how the Kardashians seem to view Black people as accessories. Kim started out being super-tight with Paris, who doesn’t look like she’d touch a Black person with a 10-foot pole, and she’s dated many Black men, yet you don’t see her with any Black girlfriends. Why is she trying so hard to get into Black culture yet only sexually? Like I said, side eye.

Nothing wrong in liking black men. Black men (well, like men in general) can be very attractive. Hey, I like black men (I think). But that’s not the point. Going only for one race (especially if it’s other than your own) is bad, because chances are that you’re not really respecting your partners- all you want is a fantasy.

I don’t know about famous men who only date interracially. Hmmm… Robert de Niro? Trent Reznor? Only few come in mind.

But then again, maybe I talk bad abut Kim Kardashian because I really dislike her for being famous for nothing.

Mira I agree, and for what it’s worth I’m suspicious of White men who only date Black women as well. People who limit themselves to one race (especially one that’s not their own), tend to have a stereotypical idea of how a person of that race should act. Hence why you don’t see any of the Kardashians with Black newscasters, or Black television producers, or Black bankers.

And Tulio, I and other ladies have had issue with white men who only date black women. In fact, there is an entire post about it (the one by Black and German). So you are wrong in your assessment.

There is no reason to make another person a fetish or accessory. But sometimes you attract a certain type more than others. I attract mostly non-black men. But it is not something that I set out to do. Though, I don’t mind either way.;)

Trent Reznor (despite his image) is a really private person, so he rarely talks about his love life. However, his preference for non-white, especially black women, is known. He married a Filipino woman, though.

I don’t have a problem with IR dating (my boyfriend is White, so that would be really hypocritical), but their pursuit of “urban” Black men (rappers, basketball and football players, R&B singers, etc.) seems funny to me. I think they like the “thugs”, plus Kim especially really wants to appeal to the “urban” Black demographic for some reason.

Keep in mind many black women do the exact same thing. Only go for black men with a “certain” kind of image. I talk about this with other black men all the time. One of my friends, he’s into rock music, he doesn’t dress in an “urban” style, or have the speech mannerisms associated with urban black men. He tries to approach black women and gets shot down every time. So he just dates white girls, they accept his non-stereotypical image. He complains that black women only chase the urban/hip hop stereotype. I think there’s truth in what he’s saying. Sure, there’s white women that exoticize the rapper image and only go for that, but there’s a hell of a lot of black women that do the same thing.

I just looked up Trent Reznor on whodatedwho.com and only saw 1 woman that looked definitely black, and a second who might be mulatto but the picture isn’t good enough to tell.

His current white if Mariqueen Maandig and she sang for L.A. band West Indian Girl. She’s pretty hot, way to go Trent! I’m actually a fan of West Indian Girl and never knew she was married to him. I learn something new everyday.

Well, for some reason I do not really understand, many black people seem to think of rock as “white” music. If your friend looks like he’s into rock music (whatever that means), some black girls might avoid him. Which is stupid.

That website is hardly accurate. They often list only famous or long-term partners, and Trent didn’t date many famous women. But fans reported seeing him with his black girlfriends all the time (before/after the concerts etc).

On the other hand, only relationships he denied were those with two white women. He said he never dated Tori Amos and he said some not so polite things about Courtney Love.

… And now I really sound like an obsessed Reznor fan (I am not, I swear!), but I like NIN – and when you go to band’s forums and groups you can read many things unrelated to music.

I don’t know anybody who’d consider Paris Hilton “classy”. All people I know (and all people I know are white), describe Paris with one word: slut. Which isn’t quite accurate description for this individual. Brainless slut is more to the point.

I’ve never heard of Kim Kardashian before i read Abagond’s post about her. But sex tape scandal speaks volumes about her as a person. I don’t know what kind of white people you know, but white people around me don’t have any respect for them.

It looks like other Kardashian sisters aren’t any better.

Her sister’s husband is a fool for marrying a brainless bimbo who is also a racist fetishist.

It’s funny how white women who has a “black men” fetish never has it for, I don’t know, darkness of their skin, or their beautiful dark eyes, or even sexy abs or something. Only the same old penis fetish.

I am not saying any kind of fetish is a good one, but this stereotype is getting old.

I wasn’t trying to imply there aren’t “that sort” of stereotypes about black women.

However, I don’t know many guys and I don’t know what they talk about. I am more familiar with stereotypes about men because I know some women who claim they like black men, despite the fact none of them ever met one (and it’s clear what they’re after).

I think K Kardashian is absolutely stunning… She is one of the few white women I look at and go “DAMN!!!” not to say white women are ugly, they are pretty too…but she has exotic look that draws me to her.

I read some where that she wears a size 2 in clothing. Now that I know her measurements I can pretty much say thats a lie. Her and I have similar measurements but I wear a size 8 if not 10! Either way what size she wears doesnt matter she is still very beautiful.

BTW I think you all are going a bit overboard wrt the Kardashain sisters and their preference for black men…Maybe its just a coincidence they ended up with these types of men, nothing they hae said would lead me to believe they are simply fetishizing black guys.

As far as them not hanging out with black people normally and only getting “down” when its time for sex/relationships…who knows. I watch their show occasionally and I know for a fact that Khloe’s best friend is a black girl. Everything else is speculation I think.

I don’t know if they are really interested in black men, I guess they are. Why else would they be with them? Like I said back at Jasmin’s blog, I don’t really know what “having preference for (insert race) men” really means, but I hate when interracial attraction is labelled unnatural. There’s nothing unnatural about Kardashians’ attraction to black men. Still, I don’t like that type of “celebrities” who are famous because of… well, because they are.

it’s becoming more and more clear that Kim kardashian is a racist because she basis relationships on skin color. she goes after black males to the exclusion of other groups. that makes her a racist. she makes her decision on the basis of skin color – black.

“I agree with your statements, but I also give Kim K. the side-eye because she and her sisters have very racist views of Black men. They seem to love the “savage Mandingo” stereotype, and I feel they collect Black men as status trophies. Ironic, since so many Black men are into them (especially Kim).

Do they not realize that they fulfill her stereotype fantasy?”

Well, I think MOST men would be happy to fulfill the stereotype fantasies of women, lol.

I think ppl are just hating on kim kardashian. I think shes not only gorgeous but she dresses amazing! i think her body is fabulous, idc if its fake or not its her money and if she wants to buy implants guess wat? she can!!!. She runs a business with her sister, do you run a business? no? shut the hell up then lol. So she likes black men? what the hell is wrong with that? absolutly nothing. Get the hell outta here with this “shes racist” bulls.. im mexican, and i dig white boys… NOT MY FAULT. and i dont have a fetish or a “fantasy” i just like white boys period. how about we let kim be and mind our own business.. if her body is fake? who cares, its none of ur business. STOP HATING. kim is kim, period. shes a beautiful armenian girl.

Hmmm…I guess you could caller white…but I never thought of her as white. Idk I always think of Armenians as non-white. Maybe leaning more toward middle-eastern…or somewhere in the middle. She definitely is not actually white, when you take into account her mother being native american and her father being armenian.

She helps run the “Dash” clothing stores with her sisters and her mother and they also have a skincare line out and a perfume and jean line. I believe they are working on a makeup line as well. Before all of that she says she sold clothes, shoes, etc that people couldn’t find in that area. Her dad (the late Robert Kardashian) would get them for her and she would then use them to turn a profit. Other than that, she has the reality show with her family.

I can’t say that can applaud the means by which Kim Kardashian came into prominence. I can’t say that I would want a female relative to grow up and be like her. Whenever I’ve heard her speak, I’ve never thought how intelligent and interesting she was. She’s beautiful, but of course that’s not enough, and gets real tired after an hour of vacuous conversation over dinner. However, all that being said, to me, what IS interesting about Kim Kardashian is what she seems to brings out in certain White people, particularly by way of her connections to certain Black people.

Kim Kardashian is what I would call an “exotic” which is a person who doesn’t seem to fall visually into easy racial identification when you first look at her. Is she Latina? Is she Indian? Is she mixed with Filipino? Is she Arab? She’s one of those people who you know isn’t exactly White or Black, but you can’t be sure just what they are without them telling you. I would put
Nicole-Scherzinger in the same category.

as well as Elina-Ivanov

The biggest difference is that Kim Kardashian (even before surgery) seemed to have the kind of curves that are often associated with Black women. The difference was that instead of them actually being on a Black woman they were on this racially ambiguous “exotic” so that no one had to admit, how smitten they were with the ‘Black female body type!’ Instead they had a kind of surrogate to wear the same curves, but not actually be Black. In the early days, this seemed to work for Kim, and both Black and White guys were fairly smitten with her. However it wasn’t long before you began to hear White women calling her fat, chunky, gross, etc., because she didn’t look like most of them.

But THEN she really crossed the line, because it quickly became apparent that she had a thing for Black men! How could she!? So here were these White guys, who wanted her physically, but realized that they were not her type. That wasn’t supposed to be possible! White men where supposed to be the universal sperm donors—EVERYBODY was supposed to want to get with Whites!

And that was when I noticed that there seemed to be a bit of a double standard going on. Fellow floozies like Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton were also plowing through multiple boyfriends like buzz saws. Both purportedly made sex tapes of their own, both have had reality TV series about them, just like Kim. And although Lindsay and Paris are certainly not respected or thought of as great talents, they somehow avoid being described as “gross looking” and are seen as lesser sluts in comparison to the horrid Kardshians.

I can’t help but think that the combination of looking ‘like a Black woman’ and dating Black men are at the root of this extra helping of animus. But again, her personal choices give much room for rebuke regardless.

And Nicole Scherzinger looks black anywhere else on planet earth she would be considered black yet here in America , she is “something else” like Vin Diesel..Vin Diesel his voice his physicality his sexiness is clearly because he is a black man.. Please!

@ John ackerby
it’s becoming more and more clear that Kim kardashian is a racist because she basis relationships on skin color. she goes after black males to the exclusion of other groups. that makes her a racist. she makes her decision on the basis of skin color – black.

She has a preference, some people like blondes, does that make them racist? Nope,Some people prefer Asians, does that make them racist? Nope.Kim likes black men and that is her PREFERENCE. That does not make her a racist, just a woman with exemplary taste..lol.

“Kim’a ass is fake. She was not built like that 10 years ago.. Please stop. How come when we black women have these physical attributes it isn’t sexy but somehow when a white woman does it is?”

Well, that’s pretty much what I was saying.

Again, I’m not a Kim Kardashian fan. I just think it’s interesting looking at how Whites react to her as opposed to White looking and White-loving co-bimbos.

I know that Kim has had plastic surgery, I’m assuming some of it on her butt, however, she has always been curvy. Here she is as a teenager.

But even if she got to her current look ALL by inserts, Botox, collagen and implants, she still represents a departure from the blond-haired, blue-eyed, thin-hipped, White American beauty aesthetic. Regardless of how she got there, the challenge to that norm seems to be part of the issue.

“And Nicole Scherzinger looks black anywhere else on planet earth she would be considered black yet here in America , she is “something else…”

Wikipedia: Scherzinger was born Nicole Prescovia Elikolani Valiente in Honolulu, Hawaii, into a staunchly Roman Catholic family.[12][13] Her father, Alfonso Valiente, is of Filipino descent, and her mother, Rosemary Elikolani, is of half-Hawaiian and half-Russian descent.

But again, my main point is the particular way that the mainstream responds to her as opposed to others who are in the same boat. Just an observation.

Mira:Nothing wrong in liking black men. Black men (well, like men in general) can be very attractive. Hey, I like black men (I think). But that’s not the point. Going only for one race (especially if it’s other than your own) is bad, because chances are that you’re not really respecting your partners- all you want is a fantasy.

I don’t know about famous men who only date interracially. Hmmm… Robert de Niro? Trent Reznor? Only few come in mind.

But then again, maybe I talk bad abut Kim Kardashian because I really dislike her for being famous for nothing.

DDK: Many non-black men in Hollywood date black or at least they did before they hit it big and had to kowtow to the macinations of a white supremacist paradigm, Brad Pitt,George Clooney,Michael Fassbender is dating a black actress right now,Gerard Butler, Colin Farrell.. Just to name a few..

KING:
Wikipedia: Scherzinger was born Nicole Prescovia Elikolani Valiente in Honolulu, Hawaii, into a staunchly Roman Catholic family.[12][13] Her father, Alfonso Valiente, is of Filipino descent, and her mother, Rosemary Elikolani, is of half-Hawaiian and half-Russian descent.

Ok certainly u must be aware of the africanate presence in both the Phillipines and in Russia, Russia is not a “White nation” and borders over 14 countries, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (via the Kaliningrad Oblast), Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the People’s Republic of China and North Korea.Russians r represented bu mongol, asiatic european and africanate people, Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin considered to be the greatest Russian poet and a man who revolutionized the russian language, before his advent, russian nobility spoke french, was a black man. So please don’t post info giving me Scherzinger’s russian background as evidence she could not possibly be black.. Thanks

The earliest presence of black peoples in Russia was along the western slope of the Caucasus mountains near the Black Sea , in the small state of Abkhazia and in parts of the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. When one considers the rugged terrain of the area, it is not surprising that these settlements remained isolated for centuries, largely unknown to the Russian public until the early 20th century. In the early years of the 20th c. several articles appeared detailing the populations of these settlements in Batumi, in southwest Georgia, in Sukhumi, in Northwest Georgia and other areas of the Caucasus. In these, the black peoples were called by a variety of terms: Arabs, Lazs, or Adzhars by the people around Batumi, which referred to other groups of indigenous peoples as well, who had intermarried with the black populations. Most of the people in these black settlements were Moslems and spoke only the Abkhazian language.

If you want to argue that point, I can go on with you on it. But I’m really more interested in what you think about the heart of what I was saying re: the reasons for the difference in the mainstream reaction to Kim Kardashian and say, Paris Hilton (although there is a long list of others I could site) Do you think it has anything to do with her connection to Blacks on any level?

@ King, U have ur opinion and I mine, which is cool. Ummm I am not completely certain what the differences in the mainstream reaction to Kim K and Paris Hilton r, both r very famous for no discernible reason, both have been chosen by the elite to present some lifestyle that is so rife with excess that it seems almost ludicrous especially in a time of deep recession and they both r indicative of an agenda to keep the masses in some illusory “reality” that conveys that money – morality = happiness. Kim. K is the post-modern pleasure model with her ridiculous proportions and a lot of money has been invested in keeping her looking “:perfect” with her huge manufactured behind, the super-small waist and death-defying proportions. It also seems the elite in their “dislike” of the black race has swiped some of the blackwoman’s physical attributes that were allegedly considered “perverse” and “disgusting”,by the elite big lips , big asses, wide hips and have conferred them on several of their non-black pleasure models, Coco, Kim.K, Jessica Biel was running around with an over-sized ass for awhile, in an open jab @ women of the black race who seem to have replaced the black man as “public enemy # 1.

I think my post answers your question (I’m pretty sure we were typing at the same time), but I also thought about how the Kardashians seem to view Black people as accessories. Kim started out being super-tight with Paris, who doesn’t look like she’d touch a Black person with a 10-foot pole, and she’s dated many Black men, yet you don’t see her with any Black girlfriends. Why is she trying so hard to get into Black culture yet only sexually? Like I said, side eye.

Actually Paris was having sex with 50 cent but she is a notorious racist and comes from a family of racists, many of the elite families r racist against black people, Kim K represents the “new” black woman as the was against the black race is being waged at this point from an “assimilation” and “deracination” standpoint. We r not going anywhere but we r being controlled from a genetic standpoint and r being encouraged to take on physical and mental attributes that r not our own, this is why a lot of black men r marrying outside their race and raising mixed-race kids and this is why plenty of black women r walking around looking ridiculous with their hair-weaves made from hair shaved off asian and east-indian women, and so far.. It’s working, the black race is rejecting who they r as GOD made them and is buying into this ridiculous media dictation of what they SHOULD be.And that is why in cinema most “comely” or “desirable” or “valuable” black women r represented by “bi-racial” actresses even though during the Obama campaign whites were busy telling us that Obama couldn’t possibly be “black” because he was “bi-racial”.lol.

“I am not completely certain what the differences in the mainstream reaction to Kim K and Paris Hilton r, both r very famous for no discernible reason, both have been chosen by the elite to present some lifestyle that is so rife with excess that it seems almost ludicrous…”

True that they both fall into the same camp on many levels but this is what I notice in the public perception – See if you agree.

Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that Kim doesn’t deserve her reputation, It’s just interesting that Paris or Lindsay, who have lived very similar lives, aren’t seen in the exact same way. And I think that the root of the difference is association with Black men. I don’t expect you to feel sorry for her – I don’t. I’m just saying that there is a difference.

Even among liberal “free thinkers” a woman who’s spent time on the top beauty list is not supposed to shun White guys and go after Black guys.

“It also seems the elite in their “dislike” of the black race has swiped some of the blackwoman’s physical attributes that were allegedly considered “perverse” and “disgusting” by the elite—big lips , big asses, wide hips—and have conferred them on several of their non-black pleasure models, Coco, Kim.K, Jessica Biel…”

And all of that is fine just as long as you bring those newly purchased augmented features back and date in the mainstream. But for any of them to betray the racial preference hierarchy and start dating Cambodians, Indians, Native Americans, and Blacks, is an unforgivable insult!

BTW, be assured that I get that Kim isn’t some kind of hero in doing this. She just seems to have some kind of racial fetish for Black men – she isn’t Rosa Parks.

We need to remember something: Attraction is very primal. Attraction is not supposed to be a Rosa Parks process”

I agree. But in a multi-ethnic, multicultural environment, when one’s “primal attractions” continually brings them to choose partners, outside of their own group, who share the same racial identity, then I’d say that it is probably less primal and more a studied and nurtured perception, based on “race,”

If I had a long list of girlfriends who all happened toy be Japanese, I wouldn’t chalk it up to an arbitrary primal attraction, but to a set of internalized ideas and beliefs about Japanese women.

Well, I think what becomes the problem is that they usually are *not* the same “physical type,” they just happen to fit within the same broad racial category. so all they really have in common is their race. in my example, Japanese women are not really rhe same. in fact, the differences between some Japanese women may be greater than the differences between them and a woman of another race.

A couple of my Asian male friends are like that. They are more race conscious and anti-racist than most people I know and yet, they will only date white girls.

Yes, but what is telling is that often, the White girls that they date are not all blonde, not all tall, don’t all share the same eye color, often have different body types. And if you were to go even further into their backgrounds, you would find that these “White” girls are from completely different people groupings who historically are known for quite different features. So, what is their type that they are attracted to? Answer: Anyone who American society categorizes as “White.” They are not attracted to a look, but an idea about race. And most of them are blind to this.

@ Legion

Ok, the following is a serious question. What do you mean –racist–” (I know you and Kwamla discussed this but I did not read the exchanges, sorry to ask you to repeat yourself, you always give a link if that’s easier.)

I personally reject Kwamla’s definition of “Racism” since it is purposely defined to an end—making it impossible for Blacks to be racist. It is not the dictionary definition, it is a self-serving, purposeful, politically motivated redefinition of an existing word.

The Oxford English Dictionary Defines Racism as:

1] The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

2] Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

I think that a preference, prejudice, or race-based choice discrimination fits within both definition.

However, my own broader observational definition of racism follows this logic.

Scientifically, humans belong to one true race—the Human Race. All phenotypical adaptations and variation occur within that race, just as a white-haired poodle and a black-haired poodle are not separate breeds of dog. Therefore, within humans, “Race” is a social construct, not a biological fact.

To me a “racist,” is a person who believes in “race” within humans as real rather than social. They believe that the adaptive variation that we observe, along with social and cultural behavioral differences are truly reflective of vast and unchangeable biological divisions of humanity.

Question: If a person repeatedly dates from within their “own group” is this more acceptable/normal?

Yes it is.
-The behavior is more accepted by a greater margin of people.
-It falls within the mathematical norm.

However, the trend seems to be that “outdating” is becoming increasingly more acceptable (at least in the West.)

And so the mathematical norm will continue to shift.

I think that people who tend to date what they know and understand is not unusual. However, many people make racist assumptions along those lines as well. They assume that persons who shares a similar amount of pigmentation as themselves will more or less all share the same values, attitudes, and goals. But this is a false racial assumption.

I get what people are saying about Kardashian’s curves being similar to that of Black women’s and that being “less” of threat for white men and women to admit that they admire.

It is true that Black women get less positive representation in the media. But, through and through, the world knows that Black women can’t ever be replaced. That is why Michelle Obama, Kerry Washington, Iman, and similar others are married and Kim K is not.

Quite a few Black actresses (whom are respected by their peers) have had on screen respectful, tasteful romances with white men and the world seems to love them for it:

All that to say that i don’t believe that Black women are losing and the Kim Ks of the world are winning out over them.

To address your points King, particularly about the double standards of why Kim K is labeled unkempt, slutty, and Paris and Lindsey are not–well that is because white women are allowed to be “sexually free” while those with tans, or any hint of color are not. It’s just called white female privilege, although at times it can benefit Kim K, but not to the point where she is considered a “real” white women.

I’ve never heard any White person give Paris Hilton the label of “classy” before. Maybe the American media we get over here, in the UK, along with our media, is very different. If anything, Kim seems to get cut a lot of slack, from people, and the media, while Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan are considered “rick, White trash.”

Kim started getting stick because she was not only going from man to man, and the short lived, much hyped wedding, but also because, by then, as the Western world was contending with more and more poverty, due to the financial collapse, the public started to become sick of rich, talentless, reality TV figures who are famous for excess. The same thing happened with socialites of the 1920’s when the depression hit. Also, the Kardashians have made the mistake of saturating pop culture at this time, so they’re held up as the punching bags, whereas Paris Hilton is no longer relevant.

As far as what Legion was saying, I’m not sure, Kim and Khloe both said (on the Howard Stern show) that they like Black men because they have big d!ck$, and that was the only reason given. It depends on how you see things as an individual. One may view it as falling into the Mandingo/piece of (dark) meat stereotype, or one may be able to divorce history and social ideologies about Black men from the person to person circumstance. I get it, the physical is the physical, and attraction is attraction, physical attraction is physical attraction, blah, blah, blah. I’ve heard White men say they like Black women because they have big lips, t!its, and a$$e$ before. I would definitely require that the attraction extend beyond just those reason, as a Black woman. But, men and women differ there: men generally don’t mind being objectified, whether it’s due to race, gender, a body part, or all three.

I’ve never heard any White person give Paris Hilton the label of “classy” before…. Kim started getting stick because she was not only going from man to man, and the short lived, much hyped wedding…”

Well, my question and position on KK is highly tempered by the realization that Kim pretty much deserves much of the ire she receives just based on her bad behavior. I could go down the list here but everyone already knows of these. So, there is no way to use her as any kind if proof of racism.

But nevertheless, I observe and suspect that racism is involved on some level. I’m not basing this just out of a thin air hunch. I’m basing it o some observation of people in similar circumstances who seem to be treated differently by the public. Let me reiterate:

But in the end, most of her boyfriends have been White socialites, so she’s seen as a bit of a bimbo, but not as a diseased and degraded slut.

Taylor Swift Seen as somewhat talented (Writes her own songs and performs to packed stadiums) but has been through even more men than Kim Kardashian! Seen as fickle, flighty, immature, but not really as a slut. Her closest to dating a Black guy was doing a song (Thug Story) with a barely heard of rapper, T-Pizzle

Lindsey Lohan is seen as a drunk and drug addict who is wasting some great amount of talent that she is supposed to have. People think she is a major screw-up… in fact, a walking disaster area. But again, she’s been seen with a lot of men. Her only near connection to a Black guy was publicly tweeting to Chris Brown that he and she should get together (they seem to have dated for a short time) http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/lindsay-lohan-asking-chris-brown-out-on-twitter.jpg

But, again, as messed up as she is, she still is not seen as being the major SLUT that KK is.

Now some this may be because KK IS the biggest slut of them all… I don’t know, but it’s possible. But I just can’t help but wonder if her preference for Black men (which flies in the face of the universal White Beauty Standard) has some effect on why she is seen as the sluttiest and most disgusting of them all.

But again. She’s so screwed up herself, that it would be hard to make any meaningful judgement in any case.

And she and Kanye named their child after directions. So baby girl will be called North West. That right there has me rolling my eyes and shaking my head. She and Kanye are nothing more than attention whores. And people eat it up.

Ignorance is huge in the so called media these days, first Fox News Megyn Kelly will her stupid statements about Santa Claus and now those ZZ Top look alikes from Duck Dynasty with their ignorant statements about gays and blacks. I just shake my head about what passes as new worthy these days. I bet Walter Cronkite is just turning over in his grave. Journalism is just not what it used to be.

But I just can’t help but wonder if her preference for Black men (which flies in the face of the universal White Beauty Standard) has some effect on why she is seen as the sluttiest and most disgusting of them all.

I don’t know King–i don’t think anyone cares that deeply about Kim K’s preference for Black men (except for the Black men who like her).

After all, i have not seen many or for that matter any famous white men pining after Kim K for dates and companionship. Why would they care if she doesn’t hold them in high esteem as relationship material when they don’t seem to want to touch her with a 10ft. pole?

However, i do think Kim K being a non white person is why she tends to get a lot of flack for her lifestyle while Paris, Lindsay, Amanda Bynes and to an extent Katy Perry do not receive the same side eyes…

After all, i have not seen many or for that matter any famous white men pining after Kim K for dates and companionship.

No it’s not that. It’s more a case of principle, I think. That principle being that ALL non-Black women should prefer White men as the gold standard. Just as they expect ALL men to prefer White women as the gold standard of attraction.

Why would they care if she doesn’t hold them in high esteem as relationship material when they don’t seem to want to touch her with a 10ft. pole?

Maybe part of the reason that they seem not to want to touch her with a 10ft. pole is because she also hasn’t seemed to want to touch White guys with a 10ft. pole either. But as I’ve said, Kim K. has so many bona fide negatives, that it’s very hard for me to make any arguments stick, as much as I may surmise.

It’s just that to me, there seem to be a lot of negatives that she shares with many other hollywood types, yet the collective ire seems more focused upon her in particular. If she was the only one doing the things that she does, then I could readily understand… And it’s not that she doesn’t deserve to be a pariah… she does! It just interests me that the others aren’t shunned with quite the same zeal. And that leads to my suspicions.

Maybe part of the reason that they seem not to want to touch her with a 10ft. pole is because she also hasn’t seemed to want to touch White guys with a 10ft. pole either.</blockquote

Then maybe both Kim K and white guys are simply grossed out by one another.

I just don't like the comparisons being made of Kim K to Black women–not saying you were.

Black women are in a league of their own (especially the Hollywood types), as many of them are not caught in sex tapes, have trucked through lots of men and so forth, yet people swear that Black women are competing with Kim K on some level. *Puhleez*. Don't get me started on the silly and backwards comments Kanye made comparing her to Michelle Obama.

I'm not too fond of Beyonce (as i think her little sister is actually the belle), but the one thing i can appreciate about her is that white men, Black men and other men grovel at her feet, yet she has stuck with ONE man for the past 10 or so years. Even before then, there were no sex tapes, long list of boyfriends or fame whoring.

And quite interestingly–Kerry Washington–whom many Brothers seem to hate right now for her role on Scandal–has had mostly respectful relationships in real life with white men and is now married to a Black man. Yet for some strange reason, her role causes all kinds of foul things to be said about her, but i have yet to hear these same Brothers criticize Kim K for her real life happenings.

I just don’t like the comparisons being made of Kim K to Black women–not saying you were.”

I personally don’t know of any guys who I know who compare Kim K. to a Black woman. She’s clearly not Black, and she’s had plastic surgery. She doesn’t look bad, like some people, but her original look was much closer to the phenotype that we would associate with Latinas in this part of the world.

Don’t get me started on the silly and backwards comments Kanye made comparing her to Michelle Obama.’

Consider the source. Kanye is the modern equivalent of the court jester. All of his comments are silly and backwards.

And quite interestingly–Kerry Washington–whom many Brothers seem to hate right now for her role on Scandal–has had mostly respectful relationships in real life with white men and is now married to a Black man. Yet for some strange reason, her role causes all kinds of foul things to be said about her…

Well, you are always going to get the loud and ignorant minority in any group to complain. There have been PLENTY of Black men in interracial relationships on television. Kerry Washington is an actress following a script. How insecure can you get?

So now Kim and kanye are planning their nuptials, after that last sham of a wedding to that goofy basketball player, she should just elope. But they have to have this huge affair, that will be a circus with these two clowns, and they have to make the money from the photo-ops. They will make a killing of that alone. But if the general public stopped paying attention to them and watching their stupid reality show they would go away.

“And quite interestingly–Kerry Washington–whom many Brothers seem to hate right now for her role on Scandal–has had mostly respectful relationships in real life with white men and is now married to a Black man. Yet for some strange reason, her role causes all kinds of foul things to be said about her, but i have yet to hear these same Brothers criticize Kim K for her real life happenings.”

I don’t know about that. I suspect that the Brothers you are talking about hate her role on Scandal and not Kerry Washington herself. Also I think Kim K is widely thought of as a hot ho’ though people respect her hustle as the chick has made tens of millions of dollars off of being a celeb and hooked her whole family up as well.

With that said, i do not encounter Black women at work or any place else copying themselves after Kim K or paying much attention to her at all. But i guess the lack of interest Black women have in Kim K could also be interpreted as jealousy simply because they are not fawning over her. Much like in my experience with some Biracial Black women who claim that monoracial or Black/Black parent women are seeing them as “exoticals” and are jealous. Can we say projection? 🙂

Kim K may very well prefer Black men–there is nothing wrong with that in and of itself (as we have to account for how she was raised and grew up around)–however, many of her loyal Black men fans don’t seem to understand that liking Black men and embracing various aspects of Black culture outside of sex are two different things…the latter being where Kim K completely misses the target.

Well I don’t think Kim K is ever going to go the full on Erykah Badu route as she appears way too shallow for any sort of cultural awareness in general (I doubt she knows much about her own heritage) but, I think having a kid and getting married qualifies as more than just sex.

Yes, I get what you’re saying. I do think there is some disgust with Kim partly due to her choices usually being limited to Black men. I have heard one Armenian and one White man murmur about this before. I once heard a joke about Kim “certainly liking dark meat” by a White male presenter on E news before, and I have also heard Joan Rivers (who refers to every other Black woman on the red carpet as “Precious”), make jokes about Kim and Black men before. So I definitely think it’s part of the equation. But, I do think it is a combination of things.

1. The height of Kim’s fame has come about during a time when the public is growing weary of reality TV stars, and the excesses of such socialites, now that we are living in a post financial collapse environment.
2. Her behavior
3. The Kardashian media and pop culture saturation
4. The fact that Kim usually only dates Black men

But, I must add that there seems to be a contradictory parallel in the reaction of the public in regards to this specific point. While Kim has found an element of disgust over the fact that she prefers Black men, she has also been widely accepted by the Hip hop/Black (Black male) community, which has given her an air of “cool” and “edginess,” as Blackness or Black association often does.

I say this while baring in mind the fact that Khloe Kardashian also prefers and has been very vocal and her only liking Black men, but she does not receive the same treatment Kim does. So I do think it is a combination of things the above, which includes your observation.

Yes Phoebe, 100%, I even see it on this site, some Black men who find Kerry Washington and “Scandal” disgusting, but will quickly come to Kim Kardashian’s defense. It doesn’t go over our heads, we see it. I think that’s why so many Black women support Kerry because we see the double standard. I don’t, and have never watched “Scandal,” and I don’t feel that her being “the other woman” to a White man in the show, is particularly groundbreaking, but I don’t approve of the hypocrisy, so I tend to come to Kerry’s defense.

I know right? Michelle (a Black woman and the first Black first lady) appearing on the cover of Vogue magazine is more classist and less of a breakthrough than a Caucasian woman born into wealth (Kim). Lol at the cooning. Kanye is in a world of his own.

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*and has been very vocal about her only liking Black men
*a combination of things stated above
*men find Kerry Washington and “Sacndal” disgusting, but will quickly come to Kim Kardashian’s defense.

Kim K and Khloe K don’t receive the same treatment because Kim K is more attractive but Khloe K is smarter and more grounded. Overall, I’m not mad at the K clan as they have made a boat load of money off of our current times and I respect a good hustle.

I disagree about the “Scandal” thing as it’s just a different perspective. In the Scandal fights I’ve read online, the BM who don’t like the show don’t seem to have anything against KW per se. In fact, I’d be surprised that any BM finds her disgusting as she is rather attractive and seems nice in real life. They just hate what they see as the hypocrisy from BW who go on about the portrayal of BM/WW relationships but fall all over themselves cheering on the portrayal of an adulterous BW/WM relationship. Of course you see the other side, that a lot of those BM who complain about the portrayal lust after Kim K. types.

It’s a weird mix of media and real life navel gazing but, at the end of the day, KW and KK appear to be happily at similar stages of life and laughing all the way to the bank.

I can’t compare Kerry and Kim, nor do I support women making it via pornography. I remember “Charlamangne tha god” recently revealed on “The breakfast club” that he tried to shop a sex tape he found of two famous celebrities, but he was told that you need permission from both parties to realse it; meaning, anytime a sex tape has come out, both parties have given their consent, so the whole “I didn’t mean for this to happen” thing is untrue, and I don’t support or respect that kind of nonsense. You can make a lot of money doing a lot of things, but all money is not good money to me. I don’t support “it,” but I don’t harbor resentment towards these people, it is what it is.

I can’t say I haven’t heard these same Black men slander Kerry along with “Scandal” because I have, nor can I say that I haven’t come across the hypocrisy of complaining about backlash towards BM/WW relationships while barking at “Scandal.”

My point about the comparison between Kim and Khloe is that I believe the backlash is not soley rooted in the fact that Kim likes Black men, (although I do think it’s part of the reason), if that was the case, Khloe would recieve the same treatment. But moreso, that I believe it is a combination of the thing I listed. This is just my humble opinion of course.

Also, to add to that, I have seen footage of Khloe flashing her breasts in an elevator, and sleeping around on their show, so her behavior hasn’t actually been like that of an angel in comparison to her sister, so they’ve both got the behavior and the Black men preference in common, so the backlash, I assume, is due to a wider mixture of things, that also includes Kim’s preference.

Well, of course it’s impossible to either speak for, or estimate the consensus for Black men everywhere. I can only speak to the mindsets of the Black men that I know. Most of the brothers that I know can appreciate female attractiveness across the ethnic spectrum but have a slight preference toward the “Black beauty standard” that they grew up with. So, the Black guys that I know don’t seem to exclude entire races of women as “unattractive” based on their ethnicity, but seem most comfortable with Black women in the long run.

Nevertheless appreciating the physical attractiveness of someone like Kim K. is not exclusionary of other kinds of beauty. For instance, I think Kim is pretty (although personally repulsive). But I also really have a thing at the moment for:

No that’s not correct as you don’t need both parties permission to release a privately made sex tape. Whoever has possession can release it and the other party has to take legal action to stop it if they don’t want it out. It’s not like people who release such things usually give notice to the other side though with celebs you never know. The problem is that such action would be after the fact and once it’s in the public domain, especially in the internet era, it’s over. IIRC, Kim K sued Vivid? to keep them from profiting off of it and got a nice settlement out of it.

I agree that the backlash against them has little to do with dating BM and is more of a “tired of reality tv” in general thing. The family dramas like the Ks, Osbournes, Housewives, etc. have way outlived their entertainment value, if any.

My comment is in moderation (which includes the link), judge for yourself.

Nick Lachey said Kim called the paparazzi when they went out on a date, unbeknownst to him. . . and then the tape? Please, I believe it was all orchestrated. And as you’ll see in the clip, they need permission from both both parties (said Vivid). And Ray J certainly didn’t deny it. The only celebrity sen tape that I believe wasn’t planned was the Pam and Tommy one. That was the first, and they fought tooth and nail to have it stopped. And these people never sew to stop the tape from being circulated in arenas they can control (offline), they only sue to get a piece of the profit.

Naw, I gave the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t do that after seeing that interview.

Hey I said with celebs you never know and I certainly wouldn’t put anything past any of them. What’s telling to me was that the K show was announced shortly after the tape came out. But to be clear though, you don’t need both parties to release a tape. You need both parties to distribute a tape via a commercial outlet like Vivid.

” The family dramas like the Ks, Osbournes, Housewives, etc. have way outlived their entertainment value, if any.”—Agreed on the if any. I would have to say that had none, but that depends solely on who you are and are not talking to.

Well, I think I’d say that a little differently, because it’s not like I like every dark-skinned woman with short hair—just the beautiful ones!!! 🙂

And it’s not like I ONLY like dark women with short hair. I tend to see female beauty in a pretty broad range… but those two are just smoking’ hot! My cousins are the other way, they’re absolutely addicted to that one type (dark skin/short hair) and end up dating them exclusively. I call them ‘fetishists’ but they just laugh at me.

@ king, Amen!!! It is a fetish. Women come in many different delicious shapes and shades and hair type, yeah! My biggest vice is women that are beautiful and smart. I do miss Flo Jo, hot and athletic Kim K. does nothing for me however. They can flash her everywhere and I am still not convince she is all that great looking. Plenty of beautiful women every ethnic group I’ve seen. Yet, it is brains that keep me wanting more.

I don’t know about that. I suspect that the Brothers you are talking about hate her role on Scandal and not Kerry Washington herself. Also I think Kim K is widely thought of as a hot ho’ though people respect her hustle as the chick has made tens of millions of dollars off of being a celeb and hooked her whole family up as well.

The problem comes in when you begin to strip the person of their humanity and reduce them to only body parts. Then i’m like ok, that’s a problem, but still–you kinda don’t get to say what is degrading for another person and what is not. I’m paraphrasing Dita von Tesse. A holy hot mess on my part.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree about this one, sweetheart. Howard was not talking about sex, he was talking about race. Kim and Khloe were asked if there family every had a problem with them only dating Black men, to which Kim said that her father (who was working on the case at the time) told her “look at OJ, this could happen to you.” What struck me was that Kim did not label what her dad said as “ignorant,” since Black men are not a monolith, OJ does not represent all Black men, neither are Black men some extreme sport in which you can easily get killed. But I may be being paranoid about that part. Next, Howard genuinely asked why they prefer Black men, to which both Khloe and Kim responded “they have big d!cks.” I’m paraphrasing here, as I haven’t listened to the interview in a long time, but I remember it pretty well, and that’s pretty close to what they said.

I don’t mean to come across as rude, but seriously, how uneducated are people? Armenia is NOT in the Middle East. Armenians are not a Middle Eastern people. Their language is Indo-European, their predominant religion is Orthodox Christianity, and their country is located geographically in the Caucasus. Just because some Armenians look “brown” does not automatically translate into them being Middle Eastern.

Sorry, I understand that this post is about Kim Kardashian, and that is an old post. But I got tired of people constantly calling Armenians Middle Eastern or Arab or Semitic. They aren’t, case closed.

That’s an odd definition. I’ve never seen Kazakhstan or Afghanistan labelled as part of the Middle East, aren’t they in Central Asia? Yes Armenia does share borders with Turkey and Iran, but I never knew Turkey was seen as Middle Eastern either. In any case, even if you were to consider Armenia geographically in the Middle East (and I don’t think that’s the majority view), culturally, linguistically, and genetically, Armenians are definitely distinct from the Semitic peoples who predominate in the Middle East. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel that when people refer to Armenians as “Middle Eastern”, its almost as though they’re trying to imply that they are more similar to Arabs than Europeans, and I don’t think that’s the case.

Fair enough. I suppose Ashkenazi Jews could fall into this gray area as well. On one hand, you’ve got Middle Easterners telling them that they’re European, and then on the other hand, you’ve got European Nationalists saying that they’re Middle Easterners.