Tynimiller, sorry about grumping at you. I'm related by marriage and by blood to a bunch of bow hunters, and a couple of them are a pain in the backside in their rants against hunting with guns. So...I thought you were like that also. My mistake. And I should mention that the undiscussed likely truth about the family bow hunters is that they are limited to 45 yards and I'm good to 400. And they hunt over corn and I hunt the deer movement patterns. And the worst thing is that they know I have a bad habit of getting the big one that's too smart to eat their corn in daylight. And I don't even hunt in camo anymore. So we sit around and sip whiskey from time to time and I let them talk bad about me. And I smile.