So... I've been wondering and since I recently reread some chapters in Gantz, I wanted to ask something I've noticed: During the Shinjuku massacre (chapter 130: Dying in Anger) and chapter 179 (Trackless) Sakurai and Sakata try to stop Izumi. In both cases, Izumi first strikes Sakata down, he kills him at their first encounter with the guns. Then around 5 pages pass, while Sakurai is looking up to him and Izumi doesn't do anything to kill him, he even lowers his weapons.

Now Izumi really belongs to the ruthless type; he's killed everyone at Shinjuku he came across, why didn't he shoot Sakurai when he had the opportunity? I'm more asking your opinion than a fact, I guess... The thought that he was feeling sympathy for Sakurai is somewhat irritating and doesn't fit him, but then again I thought that when he protected his girlfriend and died because of that. Does that show his nature wouldn't actually be that bad when he wouldn't have been involved with Gantz?

Maybe he didn't think Sakurai was a threat or because he was crying over Sakata, but... really, that couldn't have stopped him or he wouldn't have even started the killing spree. Also, but that's more of a unlogical thing... when Sakurai was killed at the end of the chapter, Izumi was levitating many meters above the ground... shouldn't he have fallen to death? o.O;

When Sakata and Sakurai tried to stand up against him later, it was similiar... Well, it probably wouldn't do much for the story when Izumi had killed Sakurai when he was opposing him, but it does seem strange to me. What are your thoughts? And... don't ask me to put that question in another thread, we've been through that, puhlease.

02-19-2008, 09:41 PM

darkus-s6

My guess is that he didn't think he was a threat and that he could kill him anyways just like killed Sakata. As to the fall, it is Gantz and it is Oku, so you should expect some unrealistic events.

EDIT.: btw, i see a close thread and some flaming coming :smt096 ...

02-19-2008, 10:05 PM

Popothepenguin

As much as I'd love to flame this thread, I just noticed something when reading the Tae mission for like the 20th time. That is when Sakata realizes that Izumi was the Shinjiku massacre. Izumi said something and Sakata went to the other side saying "I'll guess I'll go on this side after all". Sakata is very intelligent and his Dumbass nickname is really ironic. I think all you Sakata haters should go reread the series.

02-20-2008, 01:50 PM

stillarium

I can't say if he had just noticed it in that moment, but he definitely seemed to be aware for it for some time... but he only told Sakurai when he thought it was necessary. That was when Sakurai was wondering if they should help Izumi (when the vampires attacked him) later on... IMO, Sakata's a pretty cool character (where did you get the Sakata haters thing? Or wasn't that directed at me?) and I do think Gantz' nicknames are inappropiate. He was once called/translated a newbie and that didn't really fit, either... guess it's just Gantz' taste, like he shows at least some respect for Kei, Izumi and Nishi by calling them by their names, while insulting some of the weaker ones... (it still fits, though... like big titz xD)

@darkus: Yeah, unrealistic isn't a problem, unlogical is. Just like DBZ is unrealistic, but some of the logics of the DBZ world doesn't work out in the piece of fiction itself... I heard that argument a lot back then and I don't think it's a good one. I mean, even though it's unrealistic; still, in the series, Sakurai and Sakata can use their powers to let people rise. But it's unlogical if Sakurai lifted him and then he miracously survived the fall that was obviously going to occur? I hope I'm getting across what I want to say...

02-20-2008, 02:18 PM

Sidharthavicious

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Originally Posted by Popothepenguin

As much as I'd love to flame this thread, I just noticed something when reading the Tae mission for like the 20th time. That is when Sakata realizes that Izumi was the Shinjiku massacre. Izumi said something and Sakata went to the other side saying "I'll guess I'll go on this side after all". Sakata is very intelligent and his Dumbass nickname is really ironic. I think all you Sakata haters should go reread the series.

Wait, wait, wait. There are Sakata haters? He's clear-headed, ruthless but not extremely so and adapted easily to Gantz. What's not to like about Sakata other than his dour perspective on being brought back to life? I think he'd be a good second in command to whoever leads the team.
Hopefully, they'll show him do something this mission.

02-20-2008, 03:00 PM

Joeyt741

At stillarium's original question, I dont think he hesitated to shoot Sakurai out of sympathy. He thought that Sakata was going to kill him with his psychic abilities, bullets weren't working on him, so when he actually killed him, It looked more like he was taking a sigh of relief that he actually killed him. I'm sure he knew if Sakurai had the same powers as Sakata he would not have hesitated to start shooting him. On the second question, Izumi was at about the height of a street light, he would have fallen and landed on his feet, he could of done a tuck and roll or something and walked away with some bruises, maybe a fracture.