Grendel

Son of Grendel: Grendel was the monster that was nigh-invulnerable in
the story of Beowulf, are WE the son of Grendel in this instance? or are
we Beowulf, taking down the nearly invincible monster.

William Pasquill <pasquill@usa1.com> writes:

The Net level Son of Grendel may be a reference to the Dark Horse
comic entitled Grendel.

Noah Johnson <streak@well.com> writes:

There are several references in Marathon Infinity, mostly made by
Tfear, if memory serves, to some kind of command location or structure
known as "Grn'dl Prime". It's worth mentioning that in Matt Wagner's
comic book mythology _Grendel_, one part of the future has the earth
under the dominion of a dictator known as "Grendel-Prime".
Coincidence?

Noah goes on to point out that in the comic version of Grendel, Grendel-Prime
is eventually overthrown by his son.

Noah Schabacker <nms@henge.com> writes:

In the book _The_Legacy_of_Heorot_, by Larry Niven, a colony ship is
sent from Earth to (of all places!) Tau Ceti! There happens to be a
rather nasty type of creature on the island that serves as the base
colony. This creature is know as a _grendel_. The only security officer
in the colony is, at first, the only one who knows about this creature
until it devastates the colony. Eventually all of them are killed,
resulting in the creation of about a thousand more because of a
disrupted eco-system. So you've got your veteran security officer, your
hordes of destructive alien life forms. Intriguing, eh?"

Incidently "The Legacy of Heorot" is by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Steven Barnes. The
title comes from Beowulf. Remember "Heorot Hall"?
There is a sequel called "Beowulf's Children".

One of the driving themes behind the *Grendel* series is that "Grendel,"
whatever it is, moves from life to life. The first contemporary incarnation
of this (according to Mr. Wagner's mythos), was a man by the name of Hunter
Rose; he was a criminal, and died by the hands of an ancient adversary,
Argent. Before he died, he adopted a daughter, who in turn adopted a
daughter herself. This daughter, Christine Spar, was the next incarnation
of Grendel, this time out for revenge for her son's death--but eventually
Grendel drowned her. Next, her lover, Brian Li Sung, became imbued with
Grendel, and the policeman who killed him fell to the same fate. Later,
Grendel seemed to be more a psychological phenomenon, with little personal
contact necessary.

I know all this comic book mythos might seem silly, but there is a point,
here, and that is: For Matt Wagner, it seems that "Grendel" is not a
metaphysical entity, but rather an infectious state of mind that
proliferates wildly, usually ending in the death of the "host," for lack of
a better term. From here, I want to tie together several seemingly
disparate threads.

1) If Rampancy is indeed akin to a cancerous infection of the mind, might
it not be plausible to characterize it as eventually dangerous to the
"organism" housing that cancer, yet enhancing it in some way (unlike
physical cancer)? Note that in MW's mythos, as well as Marathon's, Rampant
(or "Grendel-ized") AIs/persons become more powerful, independent, and
richer because of this condition?

2) That Grendel can move from person to person--this seems to be the case
with Rampancy. In M1, we see Tycho infected with it, in M2, we discover
that Leela has also been affected (the final screen), and finally, in MI,
the S'pht go Rampant, and perhaps so do we. In this vein, I want to stress
that both "Grendel" and "Rampancy" refer to states of being, not entities
invading one. Note that cancerous cells were normal to begin with, and it
is *their* mutation that makes them cancerous--it is not an infection or
invasion.

The following are a set of screenshots from an early version of Marathon.

The story goes that you are sent to investigate the disappearance of colonists
living on a hollowed-out asteroid near the planet Pluto. Unfortunately when you
arrive you find that all the colonists have been killed by alien monsters and you're
next on the menu. Note the wall writing and Matt Wagner's "Grendel" image.

You don't want to know what happens next...

Avi Selk <avi@terra.cyberspc.mb.ca> points out that on "Son of Grendel"
there is a terminal with the line

^000992grndlsfrcetu

Avi asks could this be gibberish for "grendel's ---"?

Ward Long <Spnkr 19@aol.com> writes:

...if you look in the shapes file of Infinity there is an item called
Grendel. He's this little black monster thingie, and there is also a name for
that octopus thing you were talking about. Vivat Grendel.

Mike Phillips <venom@silcon.com> writes:

Matt Wagner's Grendel mythology has already been mentioned, but at least
one specific aspect of it was not -- in the "Grendel: War Child" series,
Grendel-Prime, the main protagonist, is in fact a _cyborg_.

Mike goes onto to say:

I thought it was worth mentioning. This same character appears in the
the Batman/Grendel team-up (also by Wagner), but is geared more towards
being the villian.

Jeremy Levine <raven@snickers.org> writes:

In the Grendel series of comics, there is a character named
Grendel-Prime. Now I know this character has been commented on before but
am not sure whether what I'm about to say has come to the light of
day. Grendel-Prime, also known as the Paladin was created by the
Grendel-Khan, the leader of the world to protect his son. The
similarities to Marathon lie in the fact that the Prime is a cyborg and
the pinacle of all that is Grendel. He is the ultimate warrior,
steadfastly devoted to his master and absolutely deadly in combat. Sound
like someone we all know and love? Here's a quote from "Grendel: Past
Prime", an illustrated prose novel by Greg Rucka:

In battle, the Paladin had no equal.

He was a cyborg, built by Orion Assante, the first Grendel-Khan,
ruler of Earth, for one purpose and one purpose alone: to see that
Orion's only son, Jupiter, would safely reach maturity and claim
the throne that his father would leave.

The machine that was the Paladin gave him speed and strength, made
him an unparalleled warrior. THe man of him gave the rest, the
heart and soul and mind of a Grendel. Ultimately disciplined,
unwaveringly loyal, absolutely focused. He was the perfect
soldier.

Here's a walkthrough and some screenshots from the Marathon Beta SF Jan'94.
Thanks to Raul Bonilla <lassonde@hotmail.com>,
Craig Fay <DurandalM3@aol.com>, and Robert Zimmermann <robzim@gmx.net>.