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That’s what I predicted. Some of what Dorner wrote in his whacked out manifesto sounded like it could very well be true, and the bureaucracy is now leaping into action.

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) — The hunt in the snowy mountains for a former Los Angeles police officer suspected in three killings continued Saturday as police announced they will reopen the disciplinary proceedings that led to the fugitive’s firing.

Officials will particularly re-examine Christopher Dorner’s allegations that his law enforcement career was undone by racist colleagues, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck told KCBS-TV. He also urged Dorner to surrender.

“If he was to give himself up, we’d be happy to hear what he has to say,” Beck said.

The most chilling, godawful thing about the Dorner case so far is that threatening people’s children appears to have been an effective strategy. One man has put the entire LAPD and other regional agencies into an abject panic. They’re shooting up innocent people in trucks, you can’t find motorcycle cops anymore, they put them all in cars. One man, and he’s got them, on a systemic institutional / organizational level, absolutely terrified.

The most chilling, godawful thing about the Dorner case so far is that threatening people’s children appears to have been an effective strategy. One man has put the entire LAPD and other regional agencies into an abject panic. They’re shooting up innocent people in trucks, you can’t find motorcycle cops anymore, they put them all in cars. One man, and he’s got them, on a systemic institutional / organizational level, absolutely terrified.

He’s a very effective terrorist. And it’s also why Superman doesn’t reveal his secret identity — for fear that people near him will get attacked.

Dorner is basically the closest thing we have to supervillain. It’s scary.

Yeah, I know. We should only criticize wingnuts but moonbats get a free pass.

I didn’t say that, did I?

You and Trout are both free to link to examples of moonbats hero-worshiping Dorner. I’ll happily criticize them for it — I’ve already posted in a thread here about being horrified by the pro-Dorner facebook pages.

But to try to make this about “wingnuts vs moonbats” is pointless. Nobody sane supports what this guy is doing, regardless of their political views.

He’s a very effective terrorist. And it’s also why Superman doesn’t reveal his secret identity — for fear that people near him will get attacked.

Dorner is basically the closest thing we have to supervillain. It’s scary.

The Koch brothers are supervillians. Dorner is just a case study in why giving cops private purchase rights unavailable to civilians is a bad idea. All equipment should be provided by and taken back by the agencies that employ cops. There’s no reason to give them enhanced rights like Feinstein’s bill does, exempt their private purchases from compliance with the law, allow retired cops to hold onto toys that civilians can’t otherwise possess. In my opinion this kind of worship of power is antithetical to a properly functioning democracy.

That’s what I predicted. Some of what Dorner wrote in his whacked out manifesto sounded like it could very well be true, and the bureaucracy is now leaping into action.

The problem now with this bizarro-Serpico scenario is that any of Dorner’s allegations that institutional racism and bigotry in the LAPD ultimately cost him his job is going to be tempered by his terrorist, murderous actions against his former colleagues and their families. That’s not only going to give those with a vested interest in sweeping those allegations under the rug reason the shoot the messenger (as it were), they’re gonna blow the messenger up with a cement truck full of ANFO and say that Dorner’s accusations have little/no credibility.

My prediction is that Dorner won’t be taken alive; either by his own hand or by the cops pursuing him, he’ll likely end up on a slab, because, at this point, he’s got nothing else to lose.

You are correct that none of his grievances can ever justify, either morally or legally, his killing spree. The question I raise is whether the LAPD has a culture of corruption that drives principled officers from its ranks. Whatever insanity was unleashed by the loss of his reputation and career, at one point Dorner was a principled, socially conscious LAPD officer; an rare entity in very short supply.

“Decision Before Dawn” (1951) which was on earlier on TCM included a flight of P-47s making an attack on a troop column including one of the movie characters. Also older US equipment such as M-46 and M-26 tanks doubling for German equipment as well as samples of actual German WW2 equipment - usually AT or AA guns. Also appears to have been shot in Germany given the bombed out ruins shown. (Takes place around Mannheim, so possibly filmed there I guess.)

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s volunteer “posse” had a special guest on Saturday, as actor and reality show “Lawman” Steven Seagal joined in as it tackled training scenarios in the event of a school shooting.

KPNX-TV reported that members of the group conducted their training at a shuttered elementary school, with students volunteering to play the roles of victims to further simulate conditions of an attack like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut last December. Arpaio had already been deploying some of his volunteers to patrol schools around Maricopa County.

“Remember: Aggressiveness,” one trainer said while preparing for an exercise. “We have to find the threat and end it. That’s the only goal of any kind of active shooter training.”

12501. Section 12520 shall not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(a) The sale to, purchase by, or possession of silencers by agencies listed in Section 830.1, or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties.(b) The possession of silencers by regular, salaried, full-time peace officers who are employed by an agency listed in Section 830.1, or by the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States when on duty and when the use of silencers is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(c) The manufacture, possession, transportation, or sale or other transfer of silencers to an entity described in subdivision (a) by dealers or manufacturers registered under Chapter 53 (commencing with Section 5801) of Title 26 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

Yet he rails against suppressors. He even lies about the requirements of purchase, ignoring that it’s the kind of exemption that people like Feinstein and CA law carve out that made it possible for him to buy them. And people are eating it up. There are NFA tax stamp owners all over the country who’ve paid $200 for each suppressor they own, regardless of whether they bought them as an individual or through a trust, who were intensely investigated by the ATF for upwards of eight months or more before permission was granted to pick up or manufacture their suppressor.

Finland, France, Norway and New Zealand don’t regulate suppressors at all, yet here I am, in a country with a constitutional right to bear arms, watching people advocate and approve of public policy as articulated by an abjectly evil, manipulative multiple murderer.

I’m all for making sure extensive background checks get done on every purchase or transfer, even between family and for inheritances. I’m all for heavily restricting compact handguns, the weapons used in the vast majority of firearms crime. I’m all for sensible safe storage and transport requirements. What I’m absolutely against is the current focus on cosmetic features and attempts to address symptoms instead of the disease, along with the demonization of gun owners in general as inherently irresponsible, compensating, wannabe superheroes.

You really see an issue with that particular comment? To me, it seems spot on, especially if his service record was satisfactory before the supposed events that led to his dismissal from the LAPD.

However, just in case you missed it, I’ll say it again: whatever the LAPD and his fellow officers may have done to Dorner in the course of his dismissal from the department DOES NOT justify his current course of action.

It struck me last week how the L.A. law enforcement press conferences sounded like something out of a Batman movie.

Good fictional villains hold up a mirror to the meanest desires of the audience, and they strike such a chord because there’s something about them that people like. They’re designed that way by creative minds. The bad guy sometimes does something you wish YOU could do, otherwise he wouldn’t entertain.

Evidently some people are confusing admiration of The Joker with admiring a real-life murderer, who didn’t kill “just cops”…

The fucker is a batshit insane nutball who happens to be able to focus his insanity enough to operate as an efficient killer.

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

Not enough data to say, and we won’t ever get it if he’s splattered all over the mountainside. I counted more than 35 bulletholes in one photo of the news deliverers’ vehicle.

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

Easier than a dog in my opinion. Cat goes and does business without your involvement; no need to hurry home to let dog out, can do a day trip without worrying about letting the dog out, etc.

Caring for a litter box is scooping it every day (or two), putting the balls in a small garbage bad, and dumping. And adding more litter as needed. There is even the equivalent of the “Diaper Genie” for cat litter now.

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

I think he’s a nutty fruitcake. Sure, there’s some political stuff in his manifesto but I don;t think he’s politically motivated. An ex cop would be in favor of gun control measures, it’s just common sense. The dude’s a nut, he’s lost his marbles. I think it’s a mistake to take an insane murderer and use him as a political tool. Leave him as the nut that he is.

I think he’s a nutty fruitcake. Sure, there’s some political stuff in his manifesto but I don;t think he’s politically motivated. An ex cop would be in favor of gun control measures, it’s just common sense. The dude’s a nut, he’s lost his marbles. I think it’s a mistake to take an insane murderer and use him as a political tool. Leave him as the nut that he is.

He has no political value. Whatever truth is in his accusations has been overwritten by his actions. LAPD can shrug and say they were obviously right to dump him.

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

Go ahead and get a spoiled Beverly Hills dog… You’ll love it..
In 29 min. Winston will demand his nightly grooming.. He brings joy to me cause he is so crazy and fun. And every night he crawls under the covers and snuggles his daddy. He is a good pet and friend..
I walk Winston across the OU campus all the time. He meets 100’s of Co-eds that love him. He is the luckiest doggy in the world..Charlie Sheen has nothing over Winston.

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

Go ahead and get a spoiled Beverly Hills dog… You’ll love it..
In 29 min. Winston will demand his nightly grooming.. He brings joy to me cause he is so crazy and fun. And every night he crawls under the covers and snuggles his daddy. He is a good pet and friend..
I walk Winston across the OU campus all the time. He meets 100’s of Co-eds that love him. He is the luckiest doggy in the world..Charlie Sheen has nothing over Winston.

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

Agreed. Even worse: This guy has the police publicly running scared. I don’t even want to think about how this is being seen by the Islamists or the cartels.

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

…And the LAPD is bullshitting him about reopening the investigation to try to bring him in peacefully. It’s an obvious ruse. you can’t set the precedent that if someone goes on a murder spree that their complaints will be taken seriously.

…And the LAPD is bullshitting him about reopening the investigation to try to bring him in peacefully. It’s an obvious ruse. you can’t set the precedent that if someone goes on a murder spree that they’re complaints will be taken seriously.

You have a strange pathology where you worry instantly about how people you hate and fear see things.

In this particular case, I’d say he has a point in that it points out an institutional vulnerability. “Social Engineering” is often the single most effective form of hacking. This points out that it remains the soft underbelly of us all. And, no, I have no clue how to deal with that problem.

It’s not a surprise to me. If you peal away the bullshit we’re probably on the same side of many issues. This guy is probably just a nut without any serious political motivation. Using his mental illness and resulting killing spree as a political fulcrum is a bad idea for our side but I’m afraid the momentum of political instincts is not in our favor on this one. Idiots will be idiots.

Because one man (Dorner) has both the motivation-to-use and the access to the required weaponry, and by targeting the very means society has to police itself, his effect seems quite magnified compared to what a single person normally can accomplish.

If he’s taken alive, Dorner’s actions have discredited him. If he commits suicide, either directly by his own hand or in suicide-by-cop, then the LAPD won’t have the direct pressure it does right now to “do something”, so they probably won’t, unless the DoJ starts breathing down their necks again.

Because one man (Dorner) has both the motivation-to-use and the access to the required weaponry, and by targeting the very means society has to police itself, his effect seems quite magnified compared to what a single person normally can accomplish.

I’m reminded that Timothy McVeigh’s alternate plan was to organize a sniping campaign.

As I said before, imagine if Dorner hadn’t yet published his manifesto, if the LAPD had no suspects, nothing to go on.

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

I have been on training ranges where one person mistakenly fires a shot and that sets off a chain reaction and others fire though there was no command (or reason) to do so. This might have been the case with the ladies in the blue pickup.

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

Ballsy call.

Think the “public interest perspective” kinda lays it out. They’re not trying to draw him out so much as ensure that his allegations gain no hold in the event that he ends up dead when this is all over. Put to rest the idea that the LAPD killed him to hide any skeletons in its closet.

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

I have been on training ranges where one person mistakenly fires a shot and that sets off a chain reaction and others fire though there was no command (or reason) to do so. This might have been the case with the ladies in the blue pickup.

That was the MO of one Willie Sutton, a celebrated American bank robber known as “the Actor” and “Slick Willie” because of his proclivity for disguises. He frequently posed as a Western Union messenger and arrived at a target bank or store just as it was opening. Other favorite getups included a maintenance man, a policeman, a diplomat and a window cleaner. Once, in 1947, Sutton escaped the Philadelphia County Prison in Homesburg, Pa., in the guise of a prison guard. When searchlights caught him trying to scale the prison wall, he yelled, “It’s OK,” which fooled the real guards and allowed Sutton to escape.

He didn’t originate the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and that doctrine is misunderstood. It only applies in cases where the pope is making a ruling “from the throne”. What he says in a normal sermon is not considered infallible.

He didn’t originate the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and that doctrine is misunderstood. It only applies in cases where the pope is making a ruling “from the throne”. What he says in a normal sermon is not considered infallible.

Oh, so he only sometimes says things that are considered to be the words of God. That clarifies things.

I should note that the Bosnian SS dude is more or less the exception. The Bosnians where being burned at both ends in WWII.

I stand by my assertion that he is coming from an Eastern Orthodox point of view. It would explain his hate of the West, a seeming Antisemitism, and a now clear anti-Muslim viewpoint, along with his constant parroting of Serbia as the eternal victim.

I should note that the Bosnian SS dude is more or less the exception. The Bosnians where being burned at both ends in WWII.

I stand by my assertion that he is coming from an Eastern Orthodox point of view. It would explain his hate of the West, a seeming Antisemitism, and a now clear anti-Muslim viewpoint, along with his constant parroting of Serbia as the eternal victim.

During the war, and following the massive deterioration of internal security under the incompetent Ustaše regime, the Nazis tried to create a quisling Waffen-SS unit in Bosnia called the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) in February 1943. Imam Halim Malkoć was the only Muslim to earn the German Iron Cross during World War II. The formation was not very successful, and many men deserted to the Communist partisans. But the existence of this unit served as very useful anti-Muslim propaganda after 1945.

Nazi efforts to recruit for “ethnic” Waffen SS units had just become much less successful at that time. Following the surrender of the German 6th Army at Stalingrad, many who otherwise might have joined the Nazi cause now saw that cause as lost.

Not to mention the Bosnians had brutally suffered at the hands of Nazi’s client state, Ustashe Croatia.

As well as Serbians from the other side. Bosnians have not had a good century.

A lesser known fact about that particular theater of war is that the Italian troops assigned to Yugoslavia committed their share of ‘reprisal’ murder as well, sometimes executing dozens at a time. Unlike the Germans, though, the Italians did not specifically target Jews. But they were ruthless enough as it was.

I also just did the number crunching, what with the war crimes trials in Bangladesh.

Depending on when you put the starting and ending date of the Holocaust, I found that, even with the highest possible figures, the Bengali Genocide killed more people per day, at 6,000-12,000 people per day for 260 days in 1971

It’s part of Catholic doctrine, proclaimed at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870 (the same year as the Franco-Prussian War, BTW). It could not be be done away with without another council of the Church.

You know, I might be a severely lapsed Catholic, but it still irritates me somewhat when people get “our” doctrines wrong. Papal infallibility is probably the second-most misunderstood concept, after the immaculate conception.

As for Papa Ratzi being a Nazi…. look, I really don’t like the guy, but he was fucking 14. And yes, membership in the Hitler Youth was indeed mandated by law.

You know, I might be a severely lapsed Catholic, but it still irritates me somewhat when people get “our” doctrines wrong. Papal infallibility is probably the second-most misunderstood concept, after the immaculate conception.

As for Papa Ratzi being a Nazi…. look, I really don’t like the guy, but he was fucking 14. And yes, membership in the Hitler Youth was indeed mandated by law.

It’s NB(F)D that the pope was a Nazi kid. It’s more telling that he was chosen from among 209 cardinals by a conclave that largely lived through the Nazi era.

Well, many of them are Italian.
But seriously: maybe it just didn’t matter. Again, as bad as his other political/religious opinions might be, I see no indication that Ratzinger ever expressed even the slightest hint of sympathy for National Socialism.
And damn, I can’t believe I’m defending this mischpoke of bigoted, geriatric virgins.

Well, many of them are Italian.
But seriously: maybe it just didn’t matter. Again, as bad as his other political/religious opinions might be, I see no indication that Ratzinger ever expressed even the slightest hint of sympathy for National Socialism.
And damn, I can’t believe I’m defending this mischpoke of bigoted, geriatric virgins.

I’m a lot more impressed by the Catholic kids of the White Rose. (I’ve taken white roses to Munich, and twisted them through the wrought-iron gate of the University.)

Since the Nazi era, the Italian domination of the consistories has dropped by about half, to around 30%.

I’m a lot more impressed by the Catholic kids of the White Rose. (I’ve taken white roses to Munich, and twisted them through the wrought-iron gate of the University.)

Oh yes. I guess one question every one of us (Germans) inevitably asks ourselves, when confronted with our country’s past is “What would I have done”? And while I’d like to pretend otherwise, I don’t think I would have had the courage those White Rose kids had; even if my political convictions were the same then as they are now (which isn’t a given, naturally).
“Gnade der späten Geburt”, we call it.

Oh yes. I guess one question every one of us (Germans) inevitably asks ourselves, when confronted with our country’s past is “What would I have done”? And while I’d like to pretend otherwise, I don’t think I would have had the courage those White Rose kids had; even if my political convictions were the same then as they are now (which isn’t a given, naturally).
“Gnade der späten Geburt”, we call it.

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