I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

Yep. The instant you qualify a drummer based on gender, any valid measurement of talent goes out the window. Same applies to age, IMO. "That drummer's amazing for a 5-year old!" Really? How nice for them.

Phooey. Never liked girl drummers. Let's take an example, say, me. I routinely use my vixenlike supermodel looks to get my million-view tracks as demonstrated in my most recent vid, which didn't only get 1 million views - it got 19!!

On one hand, I love that there are members of the lesser gender (j/k) with the ability AND interest to play the drums as well as some do.

On the other hand - it seems weird that they play as well as, or inferior to, other male drummers, but get notoriety simply because of their gender.

It's the way the world turns.

Lesser gender?Wow....do you really believe that?I've worked with female cops that will kick your butt down the block,everyday and twice on Sundays.

I've trained female shooters,in both archery and firearms who will beat most if not all male challengers.

The truth is because of the fact that the're female,most males still think that the're superior to women.That's what they get so many hits.You just want to see what they first of all look like.The playing is usually secondary.

The're plenty of really good female drummers out there,they're just more men doing it that women,so it just seems like some of them are not as talented.

The're also more that enough male drummers on youtube who couldn't find a 4/4 if you gave them a map,and told em' where to start.

Yep Steve, "jk" = "joke" ... pretty well equivalent to a wink but without the potentially lascivious overtones ;-) ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...

.....That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...

I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

In an industry that actively celebrates and awards the difference in gender, what hope has anyone else got?

And the Grammy for best female vocalist goes to.......

Or how about?

The Oscar for best actress in a leading role goes to.....

As for the question at hand, I think it's perfectly valid. Sex sells. Advertisers and marketers cottoned on to this idea years ago......long before youtube. That horse bolted whem Adam was a lad, so it's no surprise to me at all that people will throw out a tag line that plays on gender in the hope of being noticed in the fog.

What do I think of it? Fine by me, I see it everywhere, everyday.....on billborads, on TV....everywhere I turn my head.
A "hot chick" playing drums is just another minute example. If they feel the need to promote gender or even the fact that they are "hot" in order to score a few views it's no skin off my nose. "Views" are one thing......if they have no talent to begin with then who's gonna stick around anyway?

No harm, no foul, for mine. At the end of the day, they've still gotta be able to cut it for me to keep watching.

In an industry that actively celebrates and awards the difference in gender, what hope has anyone else got?

And the Grammy for best female vocalist goes to.......

Or how about?

The Oscar for best actress in a leading role goes to.....

As for the question at hand, I think it's perfectly valid. Sex sells. Advertisers and marketers cottoned on to this idea years ago......long before youtube. That horse bolted whem Adam was a lad, so it's no surprise to me at all that people will throw out a tag line that plays on gender in the hope of being noticed in the fog.

What do I think of it? Fine by me, I see it everywhere, everyday.....on billborads, on TV....everywhere I turn my head.
A "hot chick" playing drums is just another minute example. If they feel the need to promote gender or even the fact that they are "hot" in order to score a few views it's no skin off my nose. "Views" are one thing......if they have no talent to begin with then who's gonna stick around anyway?

No harm, no foul, for mine. At the end of the day, they've still gotta be able to cut it for me to keep watching.

I agree with you. But we're talking about an "auditory" experience rather than a visual one. If I put on a record and the music is good, then why should anyone care if it was a male or a female drummer? The music is good. If it's not good, then it still shouldn't matter what the gender is, right?

I agree with you. But we're talking about an "auditory" experience rather than a visual one. If I put on a record and the music is good, then why should anyone care if it was a male or a female drummer? The music is good. If it's not good, then it still shouldn't matter what the gender is, right?

Totally agree, in an auditory sense "hot chick drummer" is unlikely to have as many people switching a radio dial to give it a listen on that basis alone.

However, youtube is more than putting on a record or CD. The very nature of youtube is visual (hell, we could argue the very nature of popular music in this day in age is visual. Thanks to MTV, it would appear that a band or artist is only as good as their accompanying video) :-)

But "hot chick drummer" is gonna spark a lot more interest than "drummer"......pretty much why the tactic is used in the first place.

The very nature of youtube is visual (hell, we could argue the very nature of popular music in this day in age is visual. Thanks to MTV, it would appear that a band or artist is only as good as their accompanying video)

You could argue that music is almost always an audio-visual experience. Generally you will see musicians and vocalists and props and dancers or recorded music with interesting cover art.

They knew a bit visuals and music back in Mozart's day ... even prehistoric times! It's not like tribal people don't dress up to dance.

I wonder if the percentage of "bad" guy drummers is the same as the percentage of "bad" girl drummers, as judged by a YouTube survey.

I should make a video and name it "guy drumming", then upload the same video but instead name it it "hot guy drumming" and compare view tallies.

I think some key phrases automatically attract views. It's not just hot chicks, but "epic fail" "worst ----" "best ----" "greatest ----", anything that offers an extreme, or titillates, is a winning phrase. Novelty, in whatever form, is always going to be more curiosity gratifying than "here's a great groove".

For those of you surprised by the bowelesque side of human nature, & if the views others get irks you, 300bpm bouble bass, wearing a mankini whilst impaled on a throne base, + throw in a sprinkling of cross gender appendages should do the trick ;)

I think some key phrases automatically attract views. It's not just hot chicks, but "epic fail" "worst ----" "best ----" "greatest ----", anything that offers an extreme, or titillates, is a winning phrase. Novelty, in whatever form, is always going to be more curiosity gratifying than "here's a great groove".

For those of you surprised by the bowelesque side of human nature, & if the views others get irks you, 300bpm bouble bass, wearing a mankini whilst impaled on a throne base, + throw in a sprinkling of cross gender appendages should do the trick ;)

Man, that was an exotic image ... at this rate this page is going to get more hits than any other page on DW! All we need now is for someone to start a thread about Premier drums called "vintage porn" and we'll have ticked most boxes ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...[/QUOa

True, but if draping semi-naked men over cars worked you can bet your life the marketing types would use it. Sadly, using female models must sell cars or they would not waste the money.

On the "Girl Drummers" question posted. He had to mention the gender or the question would have been pointless. It would appear there are a lot of people who want to see "Girl" drummers on youtube who would not be interested if they were merely labeled "Drummer". Probably because a lot of hits are from people not interested in the rhythmic prowess of the subject. Human nature, I suppose.

Man, that was an exotic image ... at this rate this page is going to get more hits than any other page on DW! All we need now is for someone to start a thread about Premier drums called "vintage porn" and we'll have ticked most boxes ;-)

Ha, yes, but notice my "Vintage porn" thread hasn't attracted as many responses or views as this thread :)

I have been known to use that "tongue in cheek" tactic before, but any threads titled in that "style" are guaranteed not to deliver according to expectations :)

I find it kind of interesting that this has automatically evolved from the OP's question of "girl drummers" to many comments about "hot chick drummers". It seems it must go in that direction by nature proving our own point.

Obviously, drumming is still more of a male dominated arena and to have a girl who drums is still considered fairly unusual at this point, especially one who is really good. Therefore, due to nothing else than sheer numbers, you have more males looking up drumming videos on a site like youtube and therefore they, for the most part, are of course going to be more apt to run across and be drawn to watch these hot chick drummer vids. My guess is, if there were more female drummers out there trolling youtube in the first place, then hot male drummer vids would get their fair share of hits as well.

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I love seeing girl drummers, just because there are not that many of them.

The ability of a female to generate interest with her looks is offset by the additional challenges that face girl drummers. It's still a male-dominated industry. So call it a draw. Can't do anything about it anyhow, most attractive females will utilize their looks in any type of stage career. As they should.

Cindy Blackman, Hillary Jones and Terry Lynne Carrington are respected female drummers that come to mind, and not for their looks. Although they are all very attractive.

Yep Steve, "jk" = "joke" ... pretty well equivalent to a wink but without the potentially lascivious overtones ;-) ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...[/QUOa

True, but if draping semi-naked men over cars worked you can bet your life the marketing types would use it. Sadly, using female models must sell cars or they would not waste the money.

On the "Girl Drummers" question posted. He had to mention the gender or the question would have been pointless. It would appear there are a lot of people who want to see "Girl" drummers on youtube who would not be interested if they were merely labeled "Drummer". Probably because a lot of hits are from people not interested in the rhythmic prowess of the subject. Human nature, I suppose.

My sister has played for 40 yearsand is a beautiful women. I hate the qoute but most of the girls say she plays "like a man".She plays a double bass set of ludwigs and is a great rudimentry drummer,kicks it like a sledgehammer and has played with many goodgroups:alot of session work in Nashville. I am proud of her playing,as I play myself. I'd put her up against most other drummers of her experience. Garjazz

Haha ... Thomas has his good points (originally my typo was "god points" - Freudian?) but he's is too much of a jock for me. I'm sticking with Benny for now.

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... most of the girls say she plays "like a man".She plays a double bass set of ludwigs and is a great rudimentry drummer,kicks it like a sledgehammer and has played with many goodgroups:alot of session work in Nashville.

I hear that to make it in Nashville sessions you have to hit hard. She must be a fantastic player because I also hear it's a super competitive scene.

I really can't understand why there aren't more notable girl drummers.
Shella E and Terri Lynn Carrigan are the only two I can think of at the moment.

The red carpet would be laid because of the novelty.

Cindy Blackman and Hilary Jones are another two. I was about to mention Meg and Karen Carpenter, but if I'm digging that far back then it just highlights the issue. Let's face it, a lot of women aren't drummers because it's popularly thought to be a masculine role.