You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling

WWE New York (1999-2003) aka The World has been The Hard Rock Café's flagship location since 2006.

Rob Bartlett, one of Raw's original three hosts (the others being Savage and Vince) went on to have a regular role on Law and Order SVU as a
defense attorney where he represented both Lois Lane and the Fonz. He's also had a few voice acting roles, and appeared on Broadway.

There's film out there that was made as a parody of My Dinner With Andre. It features Andy Kaufman and Freddie Blassie doing a shoot interview
in My Breakfast With Blassie. Multiple parts available on YouTube.

You know, everyone says it's not supposed to make sense, like that's the whole point, dude. And I'm just saying, you know,
that's like an excuse for lazy storytelling. Just don't sell me shite and tell me it's gold, all right? I might be stoned, but
I'm not high. You know what I mean?
- Cassidy from Preacher, commenting on The Big Lebowski and/or professional wrestling

Just some interesting numbers I found (so no vouching for their complete accuracy, but they seem to be generally right).

PPV Numbers
*John Cena has had 231 PPV opponents; not necessarily different, but total opponents in PPVs between Vengeance 2002 and MITB 2016.

*The rock has had 121 PPV opponents between Survivor Series 1996 and Wrestlemania 32.

*Austin between Royal Rumble 1996 and Wrestlemania 19 has had 103 PPV opponents.

*Hogan by comparison between 1984 and Summer Slam 2006 has only had 67 PPV opponents.

*HHH... ready for this... 268 PPV opponents.

Losses:
*16 different men have beaten Steve Austin during his WWE tenure, with Undertaker leading the way with 7 victories over Austin. Rock, Foley, HHH, and
Jericho are the runners up with 3 each.

*Orton, Edge, and Angle lead the way with wins over John Cena; the site says 39 different opponents have gone over Cena; but I didn't see
Rusev, Owens, and Styles on there... or any of the shield... so maybe 45 now?

*Hogan's combined losses through his WWE and WCW career... 9 people he put over...

*26 men have beaten the Rock, with HHH holding the most wins at 11.

*Couldn't find a number for those how have beaten HHH; but the total number is 109.

Mr. Fuji once fed a man his own dog (unbeknownst to the man at the time until Fuji revealed it) for some sort of relatively minor reason that I
currently can't recall (other than that the more I hear about Fuji, the more I realize he was fucking crazy).

"Hulk Hogan have the sex with some dumb bitch on the TV. The girl smart if she make the $$ from his bald ass but she also desperate to have sex with
the howdy doody like Hulk Hogan. He worse than Mel Gibson and I think now %10000 he prove he have grasshopper dick and raisin balls." - The Iron
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posted on 11-2-2016 at 06:23 PM

quote:Originally posted by Flash

*Hogan's combined losses through his WWE and WCW career... 9 people he put over...

What a piece of crap. Never gave back to the
business. Just leached.

quote:Originally posted by gobbledygooker
Mr. Fuji once fed a man his own dog (unbeknownst to the man at the time until Fuji revealed it) for some sort of relatively minor reason that I
currently can't recall (other than that the more I hear about Fuji, the more I realize he was fucking crazy).

Hmmm, maybe this served as the inspiration for the beloved Al Snow/Pepper/Bossman angle.

Ever wonder how Cactus Jack got his trademark scar on his left arm? Foley forgot the spot but it was from the second Leatherface during a six man tag
at the Tokyo Dome for IWA Japan. Leatherface took his chainsaw to Foley's arm.

After killing himself with way too many elbow drops to the concrete. Cactus needed a new finisher. Cactus asked James Cornette for ideas. Cornette
suggested the mandible claw.

Who invented the mandible claw? Sam Shepphard, the real life John Kimble, who served as the inspiration for "The Fugitive" television series and
film. Shepphard, who maintained his innocence till his death, was a doctor. After the hoopla of his trial and prison sentence Shepphard became a
wrestler. Using his anatomical knowledge he invented the mandible claw. Cactus used the the mandible claw on Mikey Whipwreck to no heat. Using the
claw as Mankind on Taker, when his opponents would froth early on, got tons of heat!

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posted on 11-2-2016 at 11:48 PM

Have we not gone retro yet? Time to move the thread so we can talk about the NWA and how a typo split the belt. BW greatness!

I think with Hogan's 9 losses being so low it's as much a sign of the times as it was him refusing to job.

Don't get me wrong; but in an era when even 4 PPV's in a year was a big deal people wanted to see the champ win... Weekly TV was for
squashes against jobbers, or a heelish sneak attach to propel the story along. Go back even further and I'm guessing it get's a touch
worse... I mean I'd be curious to see how many times Sammartino lost. I think it was also a simply case of money now type of booking... if
you're Vince and you have the biggest draw in the history of the business headlining your shows why take a chance on elevating a Bret Hart, or
Jake Roberts who might only be half as good for your pocketbook... So I don't think (at least back in the day) it was a case of Hogan saying I
ain't putting that guy over... I think more often than not it was a case that the question was never asked.

Hogan's later career was a time when they could have used him better and to help put people over, but well didn't' happen.

quote:Originally posted by merc
Have we not gone retro yet? Time to move the thread so we can talk about the NWA and how a typo split the belt. BW greatness!

Details por favor!

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posted on 11-3-2016 at 10:54 PM

quote:Originally posted by salmonjunkie

quote:Originally posted by merc
Have we not gone retro yet? Time to move the thread so we can talk about the NWA and how a typo split the belt. BW greatness!

Details por favor!

Tim Hornbaker wrote a wonderful book on the NWA History. IIRC, NWA originally was National Wrestling Association w/ Orville Brown as champ.
Somewhere along the way National Wrestling Alliance was published and a promoter jumped on the err and named a NWA champ...can't remember
who...

The original organization found Lou Thesz who was bad ass enough to unify the two and stop the nonsense. Then the government began investigating the
organization, and created issues for promoters.

If you like wrestling history you can find electronic copies online of his book at prices even I would pay.

ETA: I'll look for details. I'm half sure about the facts I laid out.

[Edited on 11-3-2016 by merc]

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posted on 11-3-2016 at 11:57 PM

The first recognized World Heavyweight Champion was George Hackenschmidt who officially won the championship on May 4, 1905 by defeating Tom Jenkins
in New York City.

Merc was there. #FACT

"The North Cafeteria, named after Admiral William North, is located in the western portion of East Hall, gateway to the western half of North Hall,
which is named, not after William North, but for its position above the South Wall. It is the most contested and confusing battlefield on Greendale’s
campus, next to the English Memorial Spanish Center, named after English Memorial, a Portuguese sailor that discovered Greendale while looking for a
fountain that cured syphilis."

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posted on 11-4-2016 at 01:29 AM

Here's some useless information:

Since the beginning of Hulkamania (not counting his Japan, Memphis or AWA days), Hogan has lost by pinfall or submission (not counting DQ, countouts,
tag matches or handicap matches) a total of 27 times.

In that 30+ year span, he has been pinned or submitted by a total of 18 men.

Five of those 27 losses (19%) came in one year (2002). Hogan also lost five matches in 1997.

His first loss was against Andre in 1988. His most recent loss was 2011 against Sting.

Of those 27 losses, 8 of them were by submission. The others were by pinfall. The only men to make the Hulkster quit? Sting (twice), Lex Luger
(twice), Roddy Piper (twice), Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar.

The wrestler with the most victories against the Hulkster is Sting with five.

The number of clean Hogan losses without foreign objects, outside interference, or any other fuckery? Eleven. The men who were responsible for those
eleven clean wins over Hogan? They are Sting (twice), Lex Luger (twice), Warrior, Goldberg, The Rock, HHH, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, and Jacques
Rougeau. Four of those clean losses came in the same year (2002).

Here is the list of Hulk Hogan's career defeats from January 1, 1984 to present day:

22. The Undertaker - Judgement Day - May 19, 2002 - pinned after being hit by a chair

23. HHH - Smackdown - June 6, 2002 - pinned cleanly

24. Kurt Angle - King of the Ring - June 23, 2002 - clean submission

25. Brock Lesnar - Smackdown - August 8, 2002- clean submission

26. The Rock - No Way Out - February 23, 2003 - pinned after being hit with a chair

27. Sting - Bound for Glory - October 16, 2011 - clean submission

[Edited on 11-4-2016 by CCharger]

[Edited on 11-4-2016 by CCharger]

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posted on 11-4-2016 at 09:13 AM

quote:Originally posted by Flash
I think with Hogan's 9 losses being so low it's as much a sign of the times as it was him refusing to job.

I totally get that through the 80s. But in the early 90s when Hulkamania was past it's sell date Hogan did no favors. Hogan put over Warrior but
then brokered a deal just to get it back like eight years later in WCW. Hogan did not put over Flair, Bret, Perfect or anyone. Only other losses that
come to mind were Taker and Yoko. But those were not even clean! Then in WCW it was ridiculous. Flair talked about how he cajoled Hogan into signing.
They were supposed to trade falls. Hogan went back on his promise saying, "I don't think the fans want to see me lose, brother."

The guy never really had a John Cena ethic in his prime where he gave back and put over. Just a selfish dirty weasel. Sorry, I just never liked Hogan
from his lame persona/moves, to politicking, and racism.

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posted on 11-4-2016 at 01:19 PM

quote:Originally posted by CheMateo

Only other losses that come to mind were Taker and Yoko.

Please see my post above.

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posted on 11-12-2016 at 04:19 PM

Yeah Charger, but looking at the list,for the most part Hogan never really put over any younger talent/up and comers until his last stint WWE stint.
Most of those guys Hogan put over were already well established. Once Hogan got settled into WCW, he could have been a little more varied in his
programs. But typically Hogan went to his creative control clause and always had to come out looking good.

Not sure I can completely believe I'm defending Hogan here, but until the latter days of WCW he was still their biggest star, like it or not,
and you don't have your biggest star put over up-and-comers until you've drained the last dollar from him as a top guy (see: Austin, Steve
circa 2002).

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posted on 11-14-2016 at 09:43 AM

Hogan and Hulkmania were down as a draw in the early 90s for WWE. After being on top for the last six to eight years it could have been the right time
to start giving back. Not necessarily jobbing out to everyone but it would not hurt if he put over Bret and Shawn in some capacity. But I suppose we
agree to disagree.

Linda McMahon is thankfully the only McMahon to never hold a WW(F)E title.

I was never keen on the idea of promoters or their progeny holding any straps whatsoever. So it was always dreadful for me to see Vince beat Haitch
(even though there were shenanigans and he relinquished it the next day), or see Stephanie and Shane with titles.

With that said, after wasting millions on two failed Senate runs and wasting six million dollars on Trump, Linda may get a "title" after all. I know
this was reported in the rumour thread. Maybe the six million was not a waste for the McMahons. Just the high cost of doing business.

Kinda makes you wonder if the Chyna did porn so can't go in the HOF argument will hold true for some of the other talents... Meh, I bet now that
she has passed away she'll be in within 5 years.

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posted on 11-22-2016 at 08:09 AM

quote:Originally posted by Flash
Kinda makes you wonder if the Chyna did porn so can't go in the HOF argument will hold true for some of the other talents... Meh, I bet now that
she has passed away she'll be in within 5 years.

I suspect Chyna will be in next year's HOF class. I know Stephanie acknowledged in one interview that she certainly deserved to go in and
it's easy enough to put her in posthumously.

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Chinese food, but I don't write articles trying to prove it doesn't exist." - Tina Fey

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I wonder who they would choose to induct her? HHH or Stephanie would be awkward. Waltman would also be cringe-worthy. Not sure who else she was close
with in the business.

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posted on 11-22-2016 at 05:08 PM

It does seem like a lot of friendships unfortunately fell apart, but in terms of friends during the Era, Foley might be appropriate. I think I would
ask Austin - they worked together enough, he only has had kind words for her, and it's a high-profile enough person that it wouldn't feel
understated. Jericho and Lita would also be appropriate picks, though I don't know where their relationships with Chyna stood by the end.

There doesn't have to be a "victim" here. There can just be two assholes.
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