Arizona Shooter was neo-Nazi & Former GOP Official

Don I think you are missing the third alternative of neither GOP or Dem...

Independents...

could you imagine if people began voting for "Anyone but (R) or (D)"... Like it becomes common place to automatically skip over those 2 parties and choose from the other options...

Imagine that people vote against republican and democrat more often then picking one of the two... this shift will result in an increase in accountability and stop this shifting of the deck chairs on the titanic metaphor...

Imagine americans shedding the psychological shackles of partisan propaganda...It just starts with a push of voters to start voting for "Anyone but (R) or (D)" that gets bigger and bigger over time gaining momentum... It may take some time and seem like anarchy in the paradigms of partisan lemmings, but with the vote, anything is possible...

The whole point of this thread is that the shooting was based on the vile hatred and contempt of partisan politics... Imagine a country with out that and what it could be...

All I hear is complaints and wishful thinking. Come on man, get real. Are you going to vote Democrat or republican ? That is the question. I mean, you should know by now !!!!

Are you going to vote for Mr. Timid Robney ? The corporate raider, an inconsiderate bozo who can put his dog on top of a car and drive 500 miles ? Gets out of the car about halfway and sees freaking diarreha all over the car, rinses it off and then puts him back up there again ? What kind of person does a thing like that ?

One that "likes" to fire people ? And thinks nothing of putting the Amercian Made Automobile Manufacturers out of business ? Along with millions of automobile workers ? Do you actually think he cares about you, who make less than 250,000 per year, the middle class ?

Do you really hate Obama more than your own Country ? That's a lot of hatred to carry in your heart !

After he has struggled to bring the economy back from disaster ? After getting us out of one war, and working on ending the other ? Killing Bin Laden ?

All I hear is complaints and wishful thinking. Come on man, get real. Are you going to vote Democrat or republican ? That is the question. I mean, you should know by now !!!!

Are you going to vote for Mr. Timid Robney ? The corporate raider, an inconsiderate bozo who can put his dog on top of a car and drive 500 miles ? Gets out of the car about halfway and sees freaking diarreha all over the car, rinses it off and then puts him back up there again ? What kind of person does a thing like that ?

One that "likes" to fire people ? And thinks nothing of putting the Amercian Made Automobile Manufacturers out of business ? Along with millions of automobile workers ? Do you actually think he cares about you, who make less than 250,000 per year, the middle class ?

Do you really hate Obama more than your own Country ? That's a lot of hatred to carry in your heart !

After he has struggled to bring the economy back from disaster ? After getting us out of one war, and working on ending the other ? Killing Bin Laden ?

After saving American Made cars co ?

Are you guys blind ?

Don Juan failure is a good thing. The free market will even itself out. Companies have to fix their own messes and take responsibility for their own stupid actions. The idea that if I own a business and I fail at making it succeeding that I should be given taxpayer money to save me from my darn up is insane.

If one company failed, another one would take its place. Do you even know how this country was built? It was built on trial and error. I hate this idea that everyone deserves a trophy and no one is allowed to fail. Failure makes you not do it again. I read somewhere where they want billions more of taxpayer dollars.

Fixing the economy with 1,000,000,000 pages of rules, regulations, and thousands in fines and tax fees! Obama said he wasn’t going to be a corporate puppet, then has nothing but corporate business sponsors, and bailed out all the crooks! You don’t encourage bad business by giving them MONEY! Obama has destroyed the economy with his economic policies.

Obama still has military personnel in 130 nations and 900 overseas bases.

"We're under great threat, because we occupy so many countries," Paul said. "We're in 130 countries. We have 900 bases around the world. We're going broke. The purpose of al-Qaida was to attack us, invite us over there, where they can target us. And they have been doing it. They have more attacks against us and the American interests per month than occurred in all the years before 9/11, but we're there occupying their land. And if we think that we can do that and not have retaliation, we're kidding ourselves. We have to be honest with ourselves.

Obama secretly signs the Patriot Act again, spending 2 billion on a 25,000 sq. ft data center in Utah desert, NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center, homeland security spent millions on 450 rounds of ammo to protect government from its people!

“You can watch everybody all the time with data-mining,” Binney says. Everything a person does becomes charted on a graph, “financial transactions or travel or anything,” he says. Thus, as data like bookstore receipts, bank statements, and commuter toll records flow in, the NSA is able to paint a more and more detailed picture of someone’s life.

The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor for the NSA “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.”

Obama signed indefinite detention bill into law.

Obama is expected to sign the Federal Aviation Administration Re-authorization Act which will allow the govt and private companies to use drones in American airspace.

Under Obama, it’s now legal to arrest witnesses for recording police actions.

Under Obama, GPS can be used to track your every move, the justices were asked to decide whether the police could use GPS devices to track people suspected of crimes without first obtaining a warrant. It's happening right now.

Obama’s Trespass Bill was passed and will make protest illegal. Under the act, the government is given the power to bring charges against Americans engaged in political protest anywhere in the country.

2012 consolidated spending act (Public Law 112-074) signed by President Barack Obama last Friday, TSA received about $7.85 billion, up $153 million from 2011.

Presidential contender Ron Paul lashed out, saying, "The police state in this country is growing out of control." He continues: "One of the ultimate embodiments of this is the TSA that gropes and grabs our children, our seniors, and our loved ones and neighbors with disabilities. The TSA does all of this while doing nothing to keep us safe. That is why my 'Plan to Restore America,' in additional to cutting $1 trillion dollars in federal spending in one year, eliminates the TSA."

The sad part is Romney wants to monitor bedroom behavior and control your private life on top of everything Obama has already done. What a disappointment Obama turned into. I thought he had a chance to be in my top 10 presidents list.

Hey MoneySRH, I have been following politics when you were in you diapers. I have seen libertarians come and go. They just don't win, and don't even pull a decent percentage of the vote. They usually are against the free market system we have. We need free markets, but with some form of regulation.

It's a wasted vote, and can cause the stronger of the two parties to lose

You sound like a republican Only they say truth and facts are propaganda.

Gary Johnson 2012 or Ron Paul 2012

I'm leaning Gary Johnson but if Ron Paul gets on the ballot. I might put him down as my vote if I feel he actually has more of a chance than my first choice Mr. Johnson.

Save the world...vote libertarian 2012

You dropped a pretty big truth bomb on the old man. He is defeated in this debate, as he is defeated in life. Just look at post #85, He has decided to side with the lesser of two evils (most likely for decades). I think the younger generation is deciding that the lesser of two evils is still evil, and have a higher standard.

We can't do much worse than the boomers in ruining this country. hopefully the defeatist boot-licking and blind servitude will not be handed down to us.

Hey MoneySRH, I have been following politics when you were in you diapers. I have seen libertarians come and go. They just don't win, and don't even pull a decent percentage of the vote. They usually are against the free market system we have. We need free markets, but with some form of regulation.

It's a wasted vote, and can cause the stronger of the two parties to lose

And yet I know more about politics than you

Libertarians don't win because Americans are uninformed and stupid. Democrats and republicans have brainwashed the American people into voting for communism and totalitarianism.

You LIE!

Libertarians are for:

Economic freedomFree-marketsFree-market environmentalismFree-societyFree-tradeI voted for Obama and he is Carter/Bush Jr

Everything I have said is the truth. I'm labeled a far-left liberal and you called me a repulsican and what makes it even funnier is I voted for Obama. If I have to choose between Obama and Romney, I pick Obama by default. I’m voting for Gary Johnson but if Ron Paul needs my vote I will give it to him. Both have earned my respect.

All I hear is complaints and wishful thinking. Come on man, get real. Are you going to vote Democrat or republican ? That is the question. I mean, you should know by now !!!!

Are you going to vote for Mr. Timid Robney ? The corporate raider, an inconsiderate bozo who can put his dog on top of a car and drive 500 miles ? Gets out of the car about halfway and sees freaking diarreha all over the car, rinses it off and then puts him back up there again ? What kind of person does a thing like that ?

One that "likes" to fire people ? And thinks nothing of putting the Amercian Made Automobile Manufacturers out of business ? Along with millions of automobile workers ? Do you actually think he cares about you, who make less than 250,000 per year, the middle class ?

Do you really hate Obama more than your own Country ? That's a lot of hatred to carry in your heart !

After he has struggled to bring the economy back from disaster ? After getting us out of one war, and working on ending the other ? Killing Bin Laden ?

After saving American Made cars co ?

Are you guys blind ?

DJuan, where I think you go wrong is that you have to pick a side... as an independent I pick what ever candidate I think is best for the position regardless of partisan affiliation...

Voting simply based on party is a union like voting mentality that is probably difficult for you to undo considering the butt-kickings you Dems have faced over the years... But the union mentality is simply vote as the union says and many people vote simply based on the party... It is sad to me that individual thought and analysis loses out the "group think", "prescribed views", "sheep herding" mentality...

DJuan, where I think you go wrong is that you have to pick a side... as an independent I pick what ever candidate I think is best for the position regardless of partisan affiliation...

Voting simply based on party is a union like voting mentality that is probably difficult for you to undo considering the butt-kickings you Dems have faced over the years... But the union mentality is simply vote as the union says and many people vote simply based on the party... It is sad to me that individual thought and analysis loses out the "group think", "prescribed views", "sheep herding" mentality...

dl36, wow You do not understand politics ...This is the day and age of the party, not the candidate...An independent has no chance, both parties are too powerful. (I would like to see a 3 party system, Conservative, Labor, Liberal, I'd always vote for Labor, the middle class.)

Who do you suppose Romney votes for when he enters the booth ? How about Bush, or Cheeeny, Boehner, who will they vote for ?

These are the days of gridlock in Wash, D.C. Do you think I should vote for a President and then tie his hands and not vote for his party also? Come on man !

dl36, wow You do not understand politics ...This is the day and age of the party, not the candidate...An independent has no chance, both parties are too powerful. (I would like to see a 3 party system, Conservative, Labor, Liberal, I'd always vote for Labor, the middle class.)

Who do you suppose Romney votes for when he enters the booth ? How about Bush, or Cheeeny, Boehner, who will they vote for ?

These are the days of gridlock in Wash, D.C. Do you think I should vote for a President and then tie his hands and not vote for his party also? Come on man !

So what you say is politics is the problem... The fact that people blindly vote partisan and not individual is a problem... The two party system falls right into the paradigm of the scapegoatters and smear campaign people... if there were more then one party people would have to say what they are about and what they would do to make things better rather then just girl about and bash the other side... The whole focus would change into the candidates talking about what they are about instead of saying dont vote for the other guy

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