Two completely different topics in the OP: one is great for providing historical references to political and religious hypocrisy in America (though I wonder how long until Karl Rove gets caught with boys and ends up on that list); the other is great for providing insight into political and religious hypocrisy from Fox News.

Glenn Beck never fails to disappoint. He makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I can't wait to dance on his grave.

You're wrong. It certainly does point to religious and political hypocrisy on the part of Fox News (in this case, Glenn Beck). Start at 2:25, and listen carefully to what that weasel of a human being said.

Smug fucker.

Religion is supposed to promote tolerance, hence the whole ridiculous plan to build a gay bar next to the mosque. While this PR stunt isn't owned by Beck, Beck's comment doesn't exactly promote tolerance, does it?

And as far as Liberals not practicing what they preach, and not being more accepting of different points of view; it is exactly that lack of passion that gets the Liberal party nowhere.

It's perfectly acceptable for Conservatives to fill the airwaves and Internet with hate speech, yet Liberals are supposed to be calm and rational. The Right blows a gasket the minute Liberals start acting like Conservatives. Why is that?

I'm not one to run and hide. Not me, and not many of my Liberal friends. We've had enough of taking it up the ass without so much as a kiss and a dab of lube. It's time to fight fire with fire.

I´d give you a kiss and a dab of lube. I am endlessly amazed at how spineless "liberals" in the USA are. Truly amazing: Obama´s feeble floundering over the last 18 months has been hugely embarrassing for those who want to see an alternative to the Republicans in the Democrats, and it would be more so if he really were liberal.

The_reppaT_Thing saidTwo completely different topics in the OP: one is great for providing historical references to political and religious hypocrisy in America (though I wonder how long until Karl Rove gets caught with boys and ends up on that list); the other is great for providing insight into political and religious hypocrisy from Fox News.

Glenn Beck never fails to disappoint. He makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I can't wait to dance on his grave.

The second has nothing to do with racism as one poster stated or religious hypocrisy as you suggest, but rather points out the hypocrisy of liberals, who while claiming to want to do so much for the gay community don't. Instead they do everything they can for people who would like nothing more than to kill gay people. They were pointing out liberal tolerance for intolerance. Disappointment,I thought liberals were supposed to be more intelligent than conservatives, you couldn't figure that one out. In case you missed it, they don't really intend to open said bar.

Sounds like they are proposing a way to use both to "stick it to each other" so to speak. Of course they think its funny. I'm still one to think we'll hear some story about Beck in a "compromised" position, whether it be with a gay man, a woman, failure to pay taxes on employees or some other taudry event.

So ironic that intolerant conservatives accuse other intolerant conservatives of intolerance towards those that none of them tolerate. Throw in Fox news making the most cheap bigoted jokes toward gays and Muslims, none of it makes any sense. Hypocrisy on top of hypocrisy.

The_reppaT_Thing saidAnd as far as Liberals not practicing what they preach, and not being more accepting of different points of view; it is exactly that lack of passion that gets the Liberal party nowhere.

It's precisely the point I am trying to make to the centrist Republicans on RJ. It's not enough to say the "tea party" movement is a bunch of wackos that no one takes seriously. They are in the process of a hostile take over of the Republican party and the moderates are letting the activists win.

I do remind you guys that the criticism that you (my buddy The_reppa_Thing), Lostboy and Obscenewish (ina post on a different thread) leveled at Obama (which is fair) is precisely the criticism leveled at Clinton. That he promised more "liberal" activism and did not deliver, because he tried to be conciliatory to the Republicans. DADT is one outcome of that.

Yet, he is still villified as the liberal devil incarnate by the Republicans to this day. I think things happen in steps (don't yell at me, please!! ). In retrospect, Clinton's presidency was a breath of fresh air in the midst of foul air of two Republican presidencies.

You can see that even the modest steps Obama has taken has engendered rabid hate from the conservatives. They wouldn't agree that he's milk toast. I think he's experimenting to see how far he can go in getting his policies through Congress, without creating such an allergic reaction among the Republicans that nothing gets passed.

I am playing Devils Advocate here. I realize the sense of frustration you feel that not enough has been done and too much pandering to the southbeach types in politics has happened. I am willing to wait it out (not that I have a choice)...and see how things shake out over the next several years.

You can see that even the modest steps Obama has taken has engendered rabid hate from the conservatives. They wouldn't agree that he's milk toast. I think he's experimenting to see how far he can go in getting his policies through Congress, without creating such an allergic reaction among the Republicans that nothing gets passed.

Pity Bush wasn´t so reasonable with his wars. He just pushed them through.

Pity Bush wasn´t so reasonable with his wars. He just pushed them through.

True. Republicans are much more apt to tap into xenophobia, and we had just been attacked. There were many people in this country who viewed the Afghanistan war (initially) as a fair response to the latter, but not the Iraq incursion, which was done without the support of our allies and the United Nations (and, boys, the French, the Germans and the United Nations were right).*

We were trampled by the "patriots" who xenophobically equated Iraq to the Taliban (an Arab is an Arab---and still foisted on the American people by the right...see the Tea Party platform in Maine, for example).

*It's one of the reasons the conservatives hate the United Nations so much. It puts a curb on their little boy military dreams.

Lostboy saidWeiner for President. HE is a politican who is worth your vote

Weiner is right to be outraged. Every American should be outraged. Blocking funding for the health care of the 9/11 first responders is simply . . . is there a word for how awful it is? I'd call it "morally obscene" or "disgusting" but that doesn't seem harsh enough. I'd call it "odious" but that isn't strong enough either. These are people who were first on the scene at Ground Zero 9 years ago and are experiencing some tremendous health issues due to the conditions they selflessly exposed themselves to. Where are Geroge W Bush and Rudy Giuliani in all this? Those two did more to exploit 9/11 for their own purposes than anybody else. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by people who will let military veterans sleep on the street or oversaw the Walter Reed hospital fiasco. This lack of support for true American heroes is grotesque.