Airclues Yes that works in an airline where there is situational awareness amongst the cabin crew. Unfortunately where I work we are required to inform them 4 times prior to landing. Yes 4 times. This is not from flight ops but a requirement passed to us by cabin services after some were still standing during landing. Tail wagging dog? Sobelena The Tenerife accident was a total lack of CRM. If I think the captain is setting thrust prior to receiving a clearance I will call the tower. If I can't get a response and the CN continues despite my protest then my feet are going on the brakes and hands on the thrust levers.