>>86253I still say it's 17. Just because they forgot to draw another fry and and didn't draw the plus sign fully horizontally doesn't mean that's not what they intended. Do you have any proof otherwise/

The problem with this question is that it is not clear what is meant by having two fries together like that.

If it is simply addition, why don't they use the plus sign like the rest of the additions? If it is multiplication, as is usually the case when two variables are written together, then the value of a single fry would be the square root of two - an irrational number. It could even be razed to a power, since one fry is lifter above the other. But even an algebra calculator I found can't solve x^x=2. I was able to ballpark it to about 1.5599. So...

>>86482>so many get stolenWhose credit card got stolen? This sounds like bullshit. If this had really happened, I guarantee you there would be a huge stink made over it. EVERYONE would be shit talking hiro if it were found out just one person's credit card number got stolen after having bought a pass.

>>86484>Hiro's probably doing this to avoid paying taxes / feesI sure hope Hiro's not that fucking stupid. What little money he might save in taxes/fees would be lost with the drop of people opting not to buy $20 worth of passes in the first place because of hesitation to purchase cryptocurrency.

>>86500yeah I don't think hiro is that much retarded.I simply think they had a problem with whatever payment gateway they were using and now they're finding a new one.May take a while since not everyone would be ok with accepting 4chan, and at the same time you can't say fuck it and use the most ignorant gateways because they ask for bigger fees and hiro wouldn't want that.

Alright so I just tried to buy some bitcoin and coinbase wants me to send them my damn driver's licence to verify my identity before I can buy.

So then I try another site and my credit card is declined by my bank because it doesn't allow its clients to purchase bitcoin...alright. Lite coin seems to work but now it's asking me for a wallet. I get a new wallet but before it works I need to download every fucking transaction in the last 7 fucking years and it's 20 fuckin gigs.

>>86217Paypal delisted 4chan back in 2016. Nobody trusts any alternative credit card payment system. Also, it's 1000x more profitable to get a fraction of the highest-priced cryptos than it is to get any amount of fiat currency.

>>87257So I sent an email to 4chanpass@4chan.org asking what the hell. They responded with this:>Hi Anon,>We're in the process of transitioning to a new payment provider.>We hope to offer credit card purchases again shortly.>Regards,>4chan Pass Support

If moot was in charge this would have never happened. This Hiroyuki asshole has done nothing since taking over 4chan other than stuffing the site full of bad adware and posting once of twice a year in his fucked up broken engrish.

>>87443Find and meet someone willing to trade a paper slip with the private key to a wallet (or transfer a certain amount to your wallet's address) for cash in person.Alternatively, find some cryptocurrency exchange which is lax on enforcing KYC regulations and get your coins out of there before it implodes.

>>87689Hiro is well aware. It has been rumored another, if not the biggest reason behind the 4channel split was to find a payment provider that's willing to process purchases of 4channel passes, which conveniently also work on 4chan. We already had scummy ads before.

>>87715I'm here since 2005 and only have a pass for three years. I don't think I go anywhere, just have to get used to the captcha again. I hope it isn't much worse than before.>you are longer here than moot

>>86217I actually was about to buy the pass the day they removed payment methods entirely. Then I had to wait a couple days until crypto was finally accepted.The reason behind this is that their payment provider cut business ties.

Is there an alternative to coinbase that will take my debit card or discover? I'm not gonna try to find another bank that will let me buy Bitcoin and coinbase doesn't sperg out on just to send hiroshimoot 20 dollarydoos.

Thankfully I've got the crypto already worked out when my Pass expires. Which was a massive pain in the ass. I won a bunch of money on a betting site, and got paid out in crypto a year ago(at about the level cryptos at right now, so I didnt make any gains). The betting site unfortunatly got enough info to steal my identity, though.

>>87930Mine expires on the 29th. He should work his ass off because keeping paying customers is easier than gaining new ones. I had a pass for several years but if it expires I don't think I will bother to renew it ever.I used this site for almost a decade without a pass, if I lose it I will realize I never got anything meaningful for it. Changes go through regardless of my opinion, my donation is nothing compared to the everyday costs and the only real advantage is captcha but I don't even post that much.

It is the end of the year, you can be 100% sure nothing major will happen now.

>>86217Why would anyone accept cash through the mail these days? Any idiot could claim he sent it but then never received? Plus why would he give you his address, even a po box for you freaks to send shit to?

Perhaps hiro, or whoever the Treasurer of 4chan is, should allow direct bank wiring of funds to buy passes. Maybe in bulk, to make it cost effect, and such that people can share passes with their friends and family.

>>88013Seriously, Hiro needs to fix this shit right now and offer something, hell even paypal. I don't care. FIX IT. I'm not a cryptofag, I'm not using that internet meme money and giving those exchanges all my personal info just to buy a god damn $20 pass. FIX IT. When my pass expires in Feb if this shit is not fixed then I'm unironically going to leave. Seriously, FIX IT.

How the fuck am I going to go back to posting without a pass. Every now and then I forget to log back in after clearing my cookies, and filling out google's shitty ass datamining captcha is such a chore.

Just got my e-mail, I bought the pass when moot first discounted it and have had it since. I don't want to go back to pleb posting but I'm not using these fucking coins.Sent an e-mail to Hiro complaining for whatever that can do. How come the 4channel split didn't fix it?

Had to go through the bullshit process just to renew my pass. Taking a picture of my fucking driver's license? The reason why people are willing to buy passes with credit cards is because it's simple, easy, and almost everyone already does this. Expecting most people to jump through hoops for almost an hour (if there are no problems) is insane.

>>86239I've always paid it with bitcoins. I don't see the problem. It's not hard to buy crypto at all once you set up an account on any legit crypto trading site, and that's a one time thing.

I have a debit card which I can use normally as well as convert my cash to and from crypto. It works everywhere in the world and it has lower exchange rates for other fiat currencies (yen/euro/usd/gbp) than any bank. It was pretty useful when I went to japan.

>>86217You have to face it anons, fiat is the devil's work and you will never be in control of your money unless you use crypto.

Evidently 4chan got banned by paypal and whatever CC processor they used, or they afraid that might happen.Even if it didn't happen yet it's gonna happen eventually. And then you're just shit out of luck. They can lock you out of the financial system if they want, and the only way to escape this is cryptocurrency.Just get a crypto debit card like I did >>88923 and stop using your bank account when you can avoid it.You can still keep your money as fiat on the card's account if you don't trust crypto, and use it as a normal debit card, but with the option to move to crypto at any time and transfer your money anywhere that way.

>>86315>>86435>>86316No site is allowed to sell you bitcoin without having all the KYC information. It's the law.Your information is still to be treated according to strict regulations though. It's not facebook. Any investment broker will have to ask for the same documents.If you want to bypass this you can use LocalBitcoins and pay in cash.

>>88967Yes, it's an option. The objectively inferior option that is. You can choose to remain without cryptocurrency and without a pass if you want. You can choose to remain without anything at the end of this, but it's only going to hurt you.

>>88925>use LocalBitcoins and pay in cashThis is what I did, going through paypal. You get a pretty bad conversion rate so prepare to spend $30 to get $20, but no huge corporate entity knows what my face looks like in exchange.

>>88976Nothing against using localbitcoins, but why do you care? This isn't some social network site that can spy on you and associate all your activity to your profile.I would bet that anyone in this thread who isn't underage has a bank account, and they know just as much about you, if not more. This isn't really any different from that.

>>86217I had to create a fucking account with coinbase since its apparently the quickest method for people without any bit wallet, then had to still create a fucking wallet with them, verify all my real information like address, last 4 of my social. Finally get this, get $20 of bitcoin to send, it charges $1.50 so I spend $21.50 to get the fucking $20 I need, then to send the money, I had to verify by uploading my goddamn drivers license front and back via pictures, be verified, go to send the fucking money, then get hit AGAIN with a fee to send the money. Buy an additional amount of fagbits which hit me with another $1.50, bringing me up to $23, then sending the $20 for the pass which, with that fee, brought me to $24.50. If your pass is up, don't fucking bother. I've already called 9 credit card/debit processors and all of them don't have a problem with processing for this site. What all this is about is Hiro is dumping the processing fees off on us. Buy a pass for $20, the company takes an agreed amount (its cheap enough, someone didn't bother to shop around) and the customer has an easy and quick purchase. Not anymore. Users eat the processing costs, and Hiro gets his little gambling fund for Bitcoin roulette.

>>88977>but why do you care?Honestly it's more about the principle than anything else. With real banks and financial institutions I've had to provide my SSN instead of a photo of my driver's license, sure, and I also know that in reality the "real" financial institutions have utter shit for security in their IT infrastructure...But at the same time, I can walk into a grocery store with cash, buy a prepaid gift card and have otherwise used it for a pass. I wanted to stay as close to that level of anonymity as possible - so why let some other entity know everything about me for something I only need $20 from and only once a year?

>>88986>But at the same time, I can walk into a grocery store with cash,Yes, cash is great for anonymity. I use it all the time.But cash is only useful for physical stores, and the anonymity is limited by the fact that you still have to withdraw from your bank, and the exchange is physical and can be recorded.But the latter problems are beside the point. Cryptocurrency can give you that anonymity online. You might have to buy it from Coinbase, but you can easily exchange it for untreaceable crypto and then back, without actually losing almost any money from it, and then you have the same anonymity as buying it from local bitcoins.

I'm not saying KYC procedures don't bother me, actually I don't think we should be forced to do that, it's a silly regulation.

All I'm saying is that in practice especially for someone who is just buying crypto, it shouldn't really make such a difference, since Coinbase probably does have better security than your average bank, whose systems are much older, and since you can anonymize your money afterwards. I only see these companies as "gateways", rather than being my "crypto bank" or "crypto wallet".If you're happy losing money from doing a cash exchange, that's fine. But I don't want people to be afraid of crypto because they think it's either going to cost them a lot to use it or that it will cost them their privacy.I have an account on Kraken, and I can convert my euros to crypto for just the cost of sending them a wire transfer from my bank (which is often free).

>>88987You can always render services for cash on the downlow. But your phone data provider still knows where you were and for how long, who you are, and possibly who else was there. It's really hard to keep anything you do these days from some company or other w/ a vested interest in analyzing all of your behavior to better manipulate you subtly down the line. If a government ever buys google, run for the hills mang.

>>88987>Cryptocurrency can give you that anonymity online.In practice it not only doesn't, but flags you as suspicious or looking to buy "security solutions" with whatever groups or companies that were passively monitoring you already.

I have several months left on my 4chanpass but once it expires, I won't be buying another one, as I have no idea how Bitcoin works and no interest in getting involved with it.

I can't imagine Hiroshimoot sticking to this policy, as I suspect the overwhelming majority of 4chanpass users will do the same as me and he's going to lose a steady source of income for no reason at all.

Oh thank Christ hiro reinstated credit card payment. Just renewed mine today and it feels so fucking good, now I can get back to lewdposting. I was never going to get involved in that bitcoin fiasco. I spent a month and a half in the CAPTCHA mines and it was terrible.

>>88985>>89040Damn man, you have my sympathies. Nothing worse than doing something you know you don't want to get involved with, have nothing but trouble from start to finish, and finally get it completed only to find out there was another way shortly after. A very cruel joke was played on you.

>>88985I didn't want to do all that, and the moneychangers were selling for like 50 cents on the dollar, so I fired up the video card. Managed to mine $16 of ethereum while in exile. Just a few more weeks and I would have been back in business anyway.

>>86217>4chan moved all sfw boards to 4channel>stopped accepting payment except for bullshit meme currency4chan will be gone before 2020, I'm certain. No business no matter how retarded would shut off their main source of revenue besides ads if the walls weren't closing in. It's been a good 12 years.All good things must come to an end sometime.

>>89592>stopped accepting payment except for bullshit meme currencyNo I'm telling you if you try and buy a pass on the 4channel domain with paypal you can, it's just the 4chan domain that's blocked.See: >>89356, >>89529