Thornburg, 28, had been a decent reliever before 2016, then exploded onto the scene with a 2.15 ERA, 90 strikeouts and 25 walks.

Shaw, who will be 27 in April, has been relatively average in 778 major league plate appearances (.251/.312/.442). Pennington, 21, had a 2.86 ERA, 49 K and 27 BB with low-A Lowell in 2016. And Dubon, 22, is quite the hitter, putting up a combined .323/.379/.461 with 30 steals in high-A and double-A.

Thornburg is a good measuring stick for Hector Neris, who’s 27 and put up a 2.58 ERA with 102 strikeouts and 30 walks last year. And it doesn’t seem like enough.

Dubon is more of a sure thing as at least a utility infielder, but Pennington is a lottery ticket and Shaw has only proven to be league average at third base.

If the Phils were to deal Neris, it’s because a team is valuing high-strikeout relief pitching so much that it’s willing to surrender a top-10 prospect. I’d rather take one top-10 talent (close to the majors) than Shaw and Dubon.