I thought you enrolled with an insurance company, and if you don't pay, they drop you, then you pay the tax penalty; unless you're really poor, then you're exempt from having to purchase it but probably qualify for Medicare anyways.

Good luck trying to do anything with it or not with it.

crab66:Surely contacting the private company that sold you the insurance is out of the question.

Probably never happened anyway. Just more tabloid garbage for blogs and chain emails to keep the racist hate flowing.

Am curious how many people like you have actually tried dealing with this particular system in any capacity. The entire thing is one big responsibility shrug fest. Live help can't help you with anything other than good conversation, phone help directs you to mail in things and though you have a deliver receipt they tell you so sorry too bad, call this number. You call that other number and you get another clueless dipshiat.

So it runs exactly like all government agencies. Overpaid assholes that do the least amount of work to keep from getting let go or just bored enough to do what they can to fark with you.

I thought you enrolled with an insurance company, and if you don't pay, they drop you, then you pay the tax penalty; unless you're really poor, then you're exempt from having to purchase it but probably qualify for Medicare anyways.

Good luck trying to do anything with it or not with it.

crab66: Surely contacting the private company that sold you the insurance is out of the question.

Probably never happened anyway. Just more tabloid garbage for blogs and chain emails to keep the racist hate flowing.

Am curious how many people like you have actually tried dealing with this particular system in any capacity. The entire thing is one big responsibility shrug fest. Live help can't help you with anything other than good conversation, phone help directs you to mail in things and though you have a deliver receipt they tell you so sorry too bad, call this number. You call that other number and you get another clueless dipshiat.

So it runs exactly like all government agencies. Overpaid assholes that do the least amount of work to keep from getting let go or just bored enough to do what they can to fark with you.

Lets keep hearing how awesome this new system is though.

You mean having healthcare coverage through a private insurance company? I'm pretty sure everyone who's ever had private insurance has dealt with this particular system.

theknuckler_33:divx88: meat0918: How does one enroll in the Affordable Care Act?

I thought you enrolled with an insurance company, and if you don't pay, they drop you, then you pay the tax penalty; unless you're really poor, then you're exempt from having to purchase it but probably qualify for Medicare anyways.

Good luck trying to do anything with it or not with it.

crab66: Surely contacting the private company that sold you the insurance is out of the question.

Probably never happened anyway. Just more tabloid garbage for blogs and chain emails to keep the racist hate flowing.

Am curious how many people like you have actually tried dealing with this particular system in any capacity. The entire thing is one big responsibility shrug fest. Live help can't help you with anything other than good conversation, phone help directs you to mail in things and though you have a deliver receipt they tell you so sorry too bad, call this number. You call that other number and you get another clueless dipshiat.

So it runs exactly like all government agencies. Overpaid assholes that do the least amount of work to keep from getting let go or just bored enough to do what they can to fark with you.

Lets keep hearing how awesome this new system is though.

You mean having healthcare coverage through a private insurance company? I'm pretty sure everyone who's ever had private insurance has dealt with this particular system.

No, it being affordable and paid for/subsidized when you fall within that bracket. Acquiring the actual insurance is easy.

I thought you enrolled with an insurance company, and if you don't pay, they drop you, then you pay the tax penalty; unless you're really poor, then you're exempt from having to purchase it but probably qualify for Medicare anyways.

Good luck trying to do anything with it or not with it.

crab66: Surely contacting the private company that sold you the insurance is out of the question.

Probably never happened anyway. Just more tabloid garbage for blogs and chain emails to keep the racist hate flowing.

Am curious how many people like you have actually tried dealing with this particular system in any capacity. The entire thing is one big responsibility shrug fest. Live help can't help you with anything other than good conversation, phone help directs you to mail in things and though you have a deliver receipt they tell you so sorry too bad, call this number. You call that other number and you get another clueless dipshiat.

So it runs exactly like all government agencies. Overpaid assholes that do the least amount of work to keep from getting let go or just bored enough to do what they can to fark with you.

Lets keep hearing how awesome this new system is though.

On the old system, I would apply and would nearly immediately receive rejection notices saying that I wasn't pregnant enough to be covered by even the most basic health plans.

Through this new system, yes I did end up having to mail something in and make somebody else do the work, but I wasn't rejected. I even got my card yesterday.

So yes, single payer would be best, but this new system is leaps and bounds better than the old one. You'd have to have your head buried pretty deep underground to not realize that.

YodaBlues:The Daily Fail is right, we should just a single payer system, like the British.

This is why I keep wishing that Canada would just absorb Michigan. It's annoying to know that if were born one hundred miles to the east, I'd have had health care all my life, not to mention easy access to poutine and bagged milk... And all within the exact same climate zone.

/In Michigan we always had French fries and gravy.//That's basically poutine without the cheese curds.

I thought you enrolled with an insurance company, and if you don't pay, they drop you, then you pay the tax penalty; unless you're really poor, then you're exempt from having to purchase it but probably qualify for Medicare anyways.

Good luck trying to do anything with it or not with it.

crab66: Surely contacting the private company that sold you the insurance is out of the question.

Probably never happened anyway. Just more tabloid garbage for blogs and chain emails to keep the racist hate flowing.

Am curious how many people like you have actually tried dealing with this particular system in any capacity. The entire thing is one big responsibility shrug fest. Live help can't help you with anything other than good conversation, phone help directs you to mail in things and though you have a deliver receipt they tell you so sorry too bad, call this number. You call that other number and you get another clueless dipshiat.

So it runs exactly like all government agencies. Overpaid assholes that do the least amount of work to keep from getting let go or just bored enough to do what they can to fark with you.

Lets keep hearing how awesome this new system is though.

On the old system, I would apply and would nearly immediately receive rejection notices saying that I wasn't pregnant enough to be covered by even the most basic health plans.

Through this new system, yes I did end up having to mail something in and make somebody else do the work, but I wasn't rejected. I even got my card yesterday.

So yes, single payer would be best, but this new system is leaps and bounds better than the old one. You'd have to have your head buried pretty deep underground to not realize that.

No it isn't better. The laws & regulations stipulating you can't reject based on conditions are good. These changes were perfectly acceptable and good. The government is only good at, meddling & writing checks. Reason being is their processes are very specific. There's no margin of error to direct/catch you if whatever government service you're trying to use deviates from the majority case. If it does, you have to try and learn how to find the correction course or find someone who cares enough to actually help if you are in fact able to get a hold of someone.

The laws & regulations making sure insurers couldn't step on/reject people is _all_ that should've been put into place until the assholes could pull their collective heads out of their asses to come up with something actually clever instead of this monstrosity.

So here's a shocker: Fox News ran with this exact story this morning. (Stop laughing--I was only watching to get my daily allowance of stupidity and couldn't be bothered to listen to my family.) I expect this level of stupidity from the Daily Mail, but I find it difficult really, really easy to believe that Fox News would stoop this low.

So the lady didn't enroll in the Affordable Care Act--that's impossible, as it's a law not some plan. What she did was enroll in health insurance through a private company, then found that it was incredibly difficult to get out of the plan that she bought from a private company. But goddamnit, why let facts get in the way of a good "story" about the scary black guy in the Oval Office and his really scary attempt at fixing a system that has long since been broken?

If it was still legal to do so, health insurance companies would rake in billions of dollars in consumer money for "coverage," and then ensure (heh) that all the doctors they "paid" told insured consumers to "just go home and get a good night's sleep" if it meant that profits could be boosted.

Health insurance is a goddamned scam. Remember decades ago when the physician wasn't the guy in the biggest house in the city? When your doctor didn't need to see your insurance card before he could tend to your broken leg? Now medical school graduates expect to make six-figure incomes right off the bat and live large. How I wish we could return to the days when doctors and hospitals charged reasonable rates and you didn't have to pay an insurance company just in case you should get the flu and can't afford the farking Tamiflu (which, by the by, costs $150 or so, even when you have insurance--and then doctors make sure you take it long enough to pay for a refill, too).

divx88:No it isn't better. The laws & regulations stipulating you can't reject based on conditions are good. These changes were perfectly acceptable and good. The government is only good at, meddling & writing checks. Reason being is their processes are very specific. There's no margin of error to direct/catch you if whatever government service you're trying to use deviates from the majority case. If it does, you have to try and learn how to find the correction course or find someone who cares enough to actually help if you are in fact able to get a hold of someone.

The laws & regulations making sure insurers couldn't step on/reject people is _all_ that should've been put into place until the assholes could pull their collective heads out of their asses to come up with something actually clever instead of this monstrosity.

You told us what was good about this, but neglected to mention anything specifically bad about it. All the rest of that is you speculating based off of an assumption you're making about the government and what you think it's good at.

The My Little Pony Killer:divx88: No it isn't better. The laws & regulations stipulating you can't reject based on conditions are good. These changes were perfectly acceptable and good. The government is only good at, meddling & writing checks. Reason being is their processes are very specific. There's no margin of error to direct/catch you if whatever government service you're trying to use deviates from the majority case. If it does, you have to try and learn how to find the correction course or find someone who cares enough to actually help if you are in fact able to get a hold of someone.

The laws & regulations making sure insurers couldn't step on/reject people is _all_ that should've been put into place until the assholes could pull their collective heads out of their asses to come up with something actually clever instead of this monstrosity.

You told us what was good about this, but neglected to mention anything specifically bad about it. All the rest of that is you speculating based off of an assumption you're making about the government and what you think it's good at.

He's apparently having trouble getting approved for his subsidy, therefore the fact that subsidies exist is bad because, like him, no one will ever be able to get them, ever, because monstrosity.

Tom_Slick:If this is true, I can see many people having a legitimate complaint with this. My current plan was cancelled because per my insurance company it was non-compliant. OK fine, I had to find new coverage, I put off doing anything about because I was busy, well low and behold in late December I received a heck of a deal in the mail from an old insurer, I had shopped through the marketplace and not found any deal this good. Had I signed up I would have had to cancel to take this offer, if it took more than one or 2 phone calls to cancel I would have been pissed.

The My Little Pony Killer:divx88: No it isn't better. The laws & regulations stipulating you can't reject based on conditions are good. These changes were perfectly acceptable and good. The government is only good at, meddling & writing checks. Reason being is their processes are very specific. There's no margin of error to direct/catch you if whatever government service you're trying to use deviates from the majority case. If it does, you have to try and learn how to find the correction course or find someone who cares enough to actually help if you are in fact able to get a hold of someone.

The laws & regulations making sure insurers couldn't step on/reject people is _all_ that should've been put into place until the assholes could pull their collective heads out of their asses to come up with something actually clever instead of this monstrosity.

You told us what was good about this, but neglected to mention anything specifically bad about it. All the rest of that is you speculating based off of an assumption you're making about the government and what you think it's good at.

No it's not speculation. Here's two different examples.

1) Had to mail in proof that my employer didn't cover insurance for me on their official letterhead. I ask the couple companies I have a W-2 income with for that and send it in registered mail. "Never received it" even though delivery confirmation says otherwise. Went on a lovely phone chase only to be asked to send again. Also had to change to a more expensive plan to continue seeing my doctor.

2) Helped a friend who had a stipulation needed to send in proof of US citizenship. The healthcare.gov website upload form didn't work, they sent it in registered mail to the address specified by the person on the phone. About a month a a half after this, this whole thing came up in conversation. We jumped on the (healthcare.gov) website to check it out. Their account still was requesting the documentation, the web form still didn't work & live help couldn't do anything more than provide pleasant conversation. Called, person on the phone redirected us to call another number. Resulted in 3 more phone redirects which ended up in "so sorry, can't help, mail it again".

Both incidents have a delivery receipt and farktards on the other end who won't or can't help for some reason.

I'm sure it appears like everything is flowers and sunshine if you've never tried applying or were lucky enough to not encounter any errors.

What's bad is saying you're going to help give people insurance who can't afford it then make it so farking convoluted people say fark it. Regulating insurance companies is great, it's the only thing that was done correctly. If you're going to provide insurance to people, don't make it some half assed shiat storm.

You do realize that the other half of the country (the ones who watch Fox news that people like you seem to think are the antichrist) think liberals/democrats are fools, right? In other words, it works both ways. The redeeming trait is that they believe in patriotism, small government, not killing babies (55 million babies killed since Roe), and raising children with good moral character, which a lot of times means growing up with some religion.

The point is, I look at liberals with scorn just as you look at conservatives that way. The great thing about this country is that we've got so many freedoms, and we can do that. Unfortunately our current president has no respect for the system and has been using executive fiat to rule as he sees fit. Why do you think he wants to give illegals a path to citizenship and hand out freebies to the low-info voters? Do these people really think he cares about them? This is a president who spends his time golfing, jetsetting to Hawaii, and partying with Jay-Z. That's why conservatives call you low-info.

rigmort:The point is, I look at liberals with scorn just as you look at conservatives that way.

LOL. Yes, because if you want to know how a liberal thinks, you should ask a conservative. Thanks for telling me what I think of conservatives. I am too stoopid to know what to think for myself, and I has sadz, and you fixeded it forz me.

rigmort:This is a president who spends his time golfing, jetsetting to Hawaii, and partying with Jay-Z. That's why conservatives call you low-info.

LOL. Sorry; you were trolling. Too bad you're on a nearly dead thread, but you got one response! Horayz! You are the trollzz winnerz! You win glittery eagle pony!

The Larch:rigmort: The point is, I look at liberals with scorn just as you look at conservatives that way.

LOL. Yes, because if you want to know how a liberal thinks, you should ask a conservative. Thanks for telling me what I think of conservatives. I am too stoopid to know what to think for myself, and I has sadz, and you fixeded it forz me.

rigmort: This is a president who spends his time golfing, jetsetting to Hawaii, and partying with Jay-Z. That's why conservatives call you low-info.

LOL. Sorry; you were trolling. Too bad you're on a nearly dead thread, but you got one response! Horayz! You are the trollzz winnerz! You win glittery eagle pony!

rigmort:Unfortunately our current president has no respect for the system and has been using executive fiat to rule as he sees fit. Why do you think he wants to give illegals a path to citizenship and hand out freebies to the low-info voters? Do these people really think he cares about them? This is a president who spends his time golfing, jetsetting to Hawaii, and partying with Jay-Z. That's why conservatives call you low-info.

Being completely ignorant of reality and history is a pretty good definition of 'low-info'.

theknuckler_33:rigmort: Unfortunately our current president has no respect for the system and has been using executive fiat to rule as he sees fit. Why do you think he wants to give illegals a path to citizenship and hand out freebies to the low-info voters? Do these people really think he cares about them? This is a president who spends his time golfing, jetsetting to Hawaii, and partying with Jay-Z. That's why conservatives call you low-info.

Being completely ignorant of reality and history is a pretty good definition of 'low-info'.

He was spot on.

Obama is the most corrupt pred we have ever had. Latest is lawsuit against S+P, after threatening the CEO, and still moron libs support him.