Despite all the bile, this kind of lists is usually useful. Sure, it's subjective, but so is rating anything that involves aesthetics as well as build quality. They do it with cars, they can do it with suits. Most people cannot go on a Jules Vern 80 suits around the world odyssey to sample suits by themselves or window shopping. There must be references, usually more knowledgeable/experienced people whose diatribes you can read and then make your own conclusions. I for one, was under the impression that Ermenegildo Zegna makes good quality suits and that Boss/Armani are overpriced. Reading the SF reinforced this idea. Not savvy (erm) enough to add to the list, but an attentive reader nonetheless...

Excellent [*****] (i.e. Suits made this well are far and few between, if money is no object your closet would be full of these. If money is a factor then these suits could sell for much, much more. This category should be kept to only a few items)
- Kiton
- Oxxford
- Brioni- Cesare Attolini Napoli
- Borrelli
- RLPL

Very Good [****] (i.e. Few suits match the quality of the ones in this category or prices could be raised significantly and would still be good value).

Because it's a superior product (at least the stuff I've seen and own - not sure about the current season)?

I ask because Golden Fleece has traditionally been Brooks Brothers' flagship product, made to top spec by Martin Greenfield. There is a good amount of handwork in it. Who makes the Black Fleece suits, and how does the workmanship compare?

I ask because Golden Fleece has traditionally been Brooks Brothers' flagship product, made to top spec by Martin Greenfield. There is a good amount of handwork in it. Who makes the Black Fleece suits, and how does the workmanship compare?

The Greenfield GF stuff I have owned only had button holes done by hand, and not all that well either. The cut is just awful too.

OK, as much as I think this list is generally a bad idea and is devolving into a joke, it seems it is not going to die and some people are going to rely on it for making future purchasing decisions, so I'll add my two cents.

The major RTW brands here that I have experience with are Isaia, RLBL, Paul Smith Mainline, Paul Smith London, PS Paul Smith, Brooks Brothers 1818, Z-Zegna and Theory. Currently all of these which are listed but Isaia are lumped into the same category, which I don't think is right. The RLBL and Paul Smith Mainline are much nicer than the others. Both are fully canvassed and, on at least the ones I own, the fabric is quite nice. Attention to detail on Paul Smith Mainline and Paul Smith London is very good, particularly in terms of things like plaids and stripes lining up perfectly.

The Theory is actually a good beater suit for me. Sad to say, but I get more compliments on it than any other suit I own. It is fused and has tacky machine pick stitching, though. I'd say probably comparable to Hugo Boss.

I don't have much experience with any of the Isaia peers, so I'll just leave that alone.

Excellent [*****] (i.e. Suits made this well are far and few between, if money is no object your closet would be full of these. This category should be kept to only a few items)
- Kiton
- Oxxford
- Brioni
- Cesare Attolini Napoli
- Borrelli
- RLPL

Very Good [****] (i.e. Few suits match the quality of the ones in this category).

Really Bad [2/8 *] (i.e. more bad than Bad but not as bad as Badder than Really Bad)
- Austin Reed
- Polo University Club (if you cut off half the label that says University Club, upgrade to 3/8 *)
- Rocco Siffredi
- Mario Rossi
- British Manor