From what the order form on their website looks like there's actually a civilian legal version!

rugerdude

March 18, 2005, 02:18 PM

I'm thinking that reaching around the belt would be a little odd. Nice looking gun though!

Please excuse my lack of ammo identification, but is that chambered in 7.62x51?

M4A3

March 18, 2005, 02:23 PM

Please excuse my lack of ammo identification, but is that chambered in 7.62x51?

5.56 ;)

jonathon

March 18, 2005, 02:58 PM

Recoil isnt to bad on the .223 either.....

Though.. I couldn't justify buying an AR-15 variant..

M4A3

March 18, 2005, 04:03 PM

I would like to but a semi-auto SAW but thay go for about $5,000.00 Maby a semi in this would be a more affordable alternitive...

shaggy

March 19, 2005, 12:55 PM

I would like to but a semi-auto SAW but thay go for about $5,000.00 Maby a semi in this would be a more affordable alternitive...

Doubtful.

Introductory price on the Shrike upper was $2500 (which is now about 2 years beyond the original delivery date). Newly ordered units are in the $4k-5k range IIRC. At $2500-3000 for an upper, I'd be interested, beyond that, I'll just get an LMT MRP or MGI CQB upper, a few spare barrels, and some Beta-Cs, OR a Colt OB LMG upper and a few Betas.

Freeman25

March 19, 2005, 02:33 PM

correct me if I'm wrong but that belt is a sabot belt, isn't it?

buzz_knox

March 21, 2005, 09:17 AM

correct me if I'm wrong but that belt is a sabot belt, isn't it?

Perhaps you should define what a sabot belt is? The rounds in that belt aren't sabot loads, and I've never heard the term sabot applied to a belt before.

jdberger

March 21, 2005, 07:15 PM

Yes, what is a "sabot belt"? :confused:

Freeman25

March 22, 2005, 01:45 PM

You know what sabot round is, right?
Now, a sabot belt is fed by miniguns or for example the M230 mg on the
AH 64 Apache.

jdberger

March 22, 2005, 02:21 PM

1) I'm pretty sure that mini-guns do not use belts.

2) I'm positive that the M230 does not use a belt, the feed is described as "linkless". see: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vjg-WiaJvM4J:tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/apm230.htm+m230&hl=en

The company, MWD, that makes the M230, describes its "linear linkless" ammo feed system in the following way:

"Linear Linkless”, which characterises the design of almost all MWD’s medium calibre ammunition handling systems, eliminates bullet links to maximize available space for ammunition storage as bullets move quickly and reliably along any line from storage to weapon.

I have seen Sabot rounds. I've even stuffed a few into a 120mm gun. I've fired a few out of a .50 cal muzzle loader and a 30-06.

I guess I don't understand the concept of a 'sabot belt.' Is it there to feed the sabot rounds? Why wouldn't a normal belt work?

FallenPhoenix

March 22, 2005, 02:24 PM

I'm guessing 'sabot belt' is referring to a linkless belt.

jdberger

March 22, 2005, 02:33 PM

'sabot belt' is referring to a linkless belt

Huh?

Linear Linkless means no belt. No links. The rounds are pushed/pulled along a chute.

And the belt on the Ares gun clearly has disintegrating links.

FallenPhoenix

March 22, 2005, 02:38 PM

notice I said "I'm guessing" I think he just dubbed it a sabot belt because the belt is discarded :shrug:

jdberger

March 22, 2005, 02:47 PM

:rolleyes:

Hmmm...excellent point. Never thought of that. :D

shaggy

March 22, 2005, 02:50 PM

FWIW, miniguns do use linked belts and fire the standard 4:1 ball/tracer mix. They use the same link (M27) as the M60, M240, MG3, etc. The belts travel through a feed chute to protect the belt from getting snagged - it moves quite fast through the gun, and if it gets snagged or drags on something, the rotor inthe gun will continue to turn and shred live rounds and brass (its a real mess - I've helped pull one apart after a belt got caught on an edge inside the feed chute and the rotor mangled about a dozen rounds inside the gun.)

buzz_knox

March 22, 2005, 03:00 PM

You know what sabot round is, right?
Now, a sabot belt is fed by miniguns or for example the M230 mg on the
AH 64 Apache.

Yes, I do. It refers to a round that has a subcaliber projectile contained within a (usually discarding) container referred to as a sabot, after the french wooden shoe. It's designed to provide a higher velocity than normal by using a standard charge with a lighter, small projectile. It's most commonly found in the Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) loads used by tanks for anti-armor work.

The M230 chaingun on an AH-64 doesn't use sabot rounds. In fact, I'm not aware of any aircraft that does due to the danger to the aircraft posed by the discarding sabot and by the fact that the potential accuracy/safety issues posed outweighs their penetration ability, especially given that aircraft usually attack the thinner top armor of vehicles, where the sabot round is not necessary. Further, the M230 is for engaging relatively soft targets such as APCs and support vehicles. Those targets it can't deal with are best left to the Hellfires.

30 mm ammunition (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/30mm.htm)

jdberger

March 22, 2005, 03:15 PM

The DU rounds were pretty scary to us tankers. Made me pretty wary of the Apache and Wathog boys...

I'm not aware of any aircraft that does due to the danger to the aircraft posed by the discarding sabot

Forgot about that.

We were always "advised" not to fire APDS over the heads of troops - though what they would be doing in front of us was always a mystery... :)

miniguns do use linked belts

Totally correct. I remember a tour of Dillon Precision and the manager telling me that anyone not working was supposed to be linking ammo for the miniguns. Here is a link: Dillon Aero (http://media2.big-boys.com/iraqfootage.wmv)

w4klr

March 22, 2005, 11:29 PM

I wonder if it is blocked... that would be worth the price though.... I already own a DIAS...

accordingtome

March 22, 2005, 11:37 PM

Ya thats right.. i would never want one of these rifles..
I want two :D

shaggy

March 23, 2005, 10:06 AM

I wonder if it is blocked... that would be worth the price though.... I already own a DIAS...

The block would be in the lower; Ares is only making the upper receiver unit and they will be compatible with both RR guns and RDIAS guns. I don't know if a RLL would work, though I suspect it would.

progunner1957

March 26, 2005, 09:22 PM

Wellll, dawgies! That is a real purty toy! How much would a trinket like that set you back??

DmL5

March 26, 2005, 09:46 PM

That barrel does look a bit short. I think its because of the forward grip being there.

-DmL

MCIWS

March 26, 2005, 09:53 PM

Very nice looking weapon. I carried a saw for a long time and I think this would be much more fun to hump around a jungle.

As for the other topic, I think Shaggy stated it best except that the saw uses the M27 and the M240G (and other varients) use the M13 links.

shaggy

March 28, 2005, 10:19 AM

As for the other topic, I think Shaggy stated it best except that the saw uses the M27 and the M240G (and other varients) use the M13 links.

Thanks for the correction. I had the nagging feeling I might have gotten the M27 confused with the GPMG link, but I just couldn't remember "M13".

Warbow

March 28, 2005, 11:12 AM

Some videos of it in action can be downloaded here (http://subgunvideos.com/videos/Rob%20Silvers%20Videos/Shrike%20Videos/). :D

Powderman

March 28, 2005, 11:48 AM

To M4A3:

Would those mystery rounds be in 5.56 Lutefisk, by any chance?

(Just a quick poke at our Norsk fellas in the land of 10,000 lakes)

:p

M4A3

March 29, 2005, 02:50 AM

Powderman...

Ohh yeah, shure you betcha there, ya ya know.... :D

futureforcewarrior22

March 29, 2005, 07:42 PM

Eh, the Shrike. Saw one of those in Iraq a while ago. Some civvie contractor was lugging it around. Looked pretty sweet.

Wonder if they make one in 6.8 SPC?

shaggy

March 29, 2005, 07:59 PM

Eh, the Shrike. Saw one of those in Iraq a while ago. Some civvie contractor was lugging it around. Looked pretty sweet.

A 249 SAW maybe, a Shrike, no.

Ares has not publicly released them yet.

yekimak

March 30, 2005, 12:55 AM

The shrike is the Firearms manufacturers version of vaporware...they do not exist yet. Alot of guys have been on the waiting list for a couple years now.

They were originally going to cost $1500-$2000 a unit but now are $4995 a unit.

:barf:

Wraith

March 30, 2005, 08:18 PM

You say :barf:

I say :D

yekimak

March 30, 2005, 11:27 PM

I go :barf: because it has been several years since they started taking money and promising deliveries. I remember the articles and ads that were out and the "6 months" till they were going to be available etc etc.

futureforcewarrior22

April 2, 2005, 05:42 AM

I know what a 249 looks like, and that wasn't a 249. I looked a hell of a lot like a Shrike. Got a long hard look at it, an M4 with a belt-feed upper. Our Automatic Rifleman couldn't take his eyes off it! Seriously! The platoon's E-6 had to snap this kid out of it.