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A Celebrity Joins The MGM

Most regular readers of Joe know that “MGM” stands for the Mike Glennon Mob, the vocal, outspoken gang of cheerleaders that love and enjoy everything about the Bucs’ backup quarterback.

So infatuated with Glennon as a rookie third round pick who had yet to take a snap in a presesaon game, they demanded he replace a veteran who had just come off a season throwing for a franchise-record 4,065-yards. Can you imagine?

Well, the MGM’s dreams came true when leaky, sleepy Rip Van Freeman went mental and was eventually benched and jettisoned.

Joe can only think of roughly five drives that left Joe impressed by Glennon. Five drives. In 13 starts. That’s not a good ratio.

And while the MGM got their wish and were giddy beyond all reason, Glennon proceeded to gradually run the Bucs offense into the ground, leading Tampa Bay to lowest yardage total in the NFL.

For reference, here is the gruesome list of quarterbacks that also led their respective teams to last place in total offense the previous five seasons:

3. I think I don’t understand the Bucs apparently being open to dumping Mike Glennon. This is a player with potential, and a sponge, who doesn’t have to have anything handed to him, and could be a part of the long-term solution at quarterback for the Bucs. To get, say, a fifth-round pick for Glennon is just not commensurate with what he delivered last season in a promising rookie year.

Look, there is clearly something in Glennon’s game that new Bucs coach Lovie Smith and general manager Jason Licht did not like. One of their first moves was to get journeyman Josh McCown and name him their No. 1 QB. McCown will never make a fan forget Ken O’Brien much less Dan Marino. That should tell people something.

Perhaps L&L know a general manager or two that thinks like King does about Glennon.

L&L have shown little to no patience or loyalty to players from the previous regime. As Lovie likes to point out, “We were 4-12 last year.”

And had the worst offense in the NFL.

63 Responses to “A Celebrity Joins The MGM”

I agree that we should get more than a 5th round pick for Glennon. He absolutely proved that he can play to at least his third round selection.
A team would do well to give up a third round pick for a guaranteed good young, cheap backup.

Every single time Glennon’s name gets brought up the offense being ranked last comes up. What about all the other players that were helping him. It’s not THEY’RE fault? The offensive COORDINATOR get’s none of the blame either? Injuries, dropped passes none of that? How about all of the field goals that were missed? That does count for our offensive points scored does it not? Go ahead and add those up with everything else. If he threw 20 interceptions instead of 9 I’d understand the criticism but he at least deserves training camp to show how much he has improved and what he can do under better coaching. I wouldn’t take less than a third maybe fourth

At the end of the day he still had a good td to int ratio as a rookie with probably the worst offensive system in the league and virtually no running game.

I’d like to see a breakdown of his numbers when he actually had help from the run game say 100 yards as the meter. I’d bet his numbers, look pretty good.

He may lack some arm strength to push the ball down the field but so does Teddy Bridgewater.

If you can’t get Johnny Football, Mike Glennon is the best option available for next year over the field of rookies to backup McCown. LEts not bash the guy that bad, good chance he stays in Tampa and could eventually be a Brad Johnson type for us.

It’s funny how Glennon can get praise on one hand and derision on the other. To some he stunk up the game, to others he showed potential. Some fans have’nt liked him since day one and others the opposite. Many want him gone, I hope he stays. Schiano drafted well, recognized talent some say. How about Glennon? It would be a mistake to lose him, imo.

Come on, Joe. You talk as if no other HC would bring in a veteran to mentor a rookie. Also, Lovie has said that McCown is the ‘starter’ as of the first day of camp, “because someone has to be at the top” of the chart. That doesn’t sound like a resounding vote of confidence for the new guy.
But, McCown is making a LOT more money and has years of experience. Factor in, also, that Lovie is familiar with McCown and you have the reasons why Josh is here and heads the list (at least temporarily).
Who knows what the opening day lineup will look like.

Gotta say Joe, that you are way off base on this and I’m not a huge Glennon fan.
The OC deserves the lion’s share of the blame for the piss poor offensive output. You remember Sully right? He was the guy you had us worried about leaving for a HC job.
How’d that work out.
I remember too how you wanted to do the smart thing and sign JF to a nice extension.
How’d that work out?
Your lust for Manziel seems to trump any inkling of cognitive thought that you may have had before you became obsessed with J Football.

I appreciate the website, but thank God you have no hand in Buccaneer operations.

Joe, we talked on twitter yesterday. The Bears GM also pointed out that drafting a franchise guy is a round 1 or 2 thing. Yes, every lifetime there might be a Wilson or Brady. I am not convinced that Glennon is the guy to carry team Lovie, and it seems L and L think the same. Is he a good kid, yes, is he a hard worker, yes. All because he is a “good guy” does not say he is a top tier QB. I hope they find their guy in round 1 or 2 this year.

Agree with what ” Hawk says ” on this one. JMc here because Lovie has to show big improvement in years 1 & 2. Perhaps the staff does believe in MG but feel more comfortable with a veteran in the first year.

Look Rip van Freeman ended up busting for us, but as a rookie he showrd more with less then Glennon. In case most of you forgot the kid led a team whose best receiver was Michael Clayton with a comeback victory against the super bowl champs, in his FIRST start. And had 2 nore game winning drives that year. In a year with less talent then Glennon. If stats were thr final indicator, then guys like Timmy Chang and Trevor Vittitoe, should have been 1st round picks. What Lovie and Lict might have seen is that Glennon was a system QB that doesn’t fit their system just like how college coaches act when they brought into s new system. Plain and simple it happens

You have to think that the Bucs watched every single Glennon snap over and over..Tedford watched all of Glennon’s practice tape…probably timed his release, watched his foot work etc…how do we know (not watching the coach’s tape) if Glennon was missing open receivers or if he was not picking up the blitz etc…The Bucs watched all of this tape and their response was to grab a 35yr old with little starting experience. I think that is telling of they saw on tape.

Side Note: I wasn’t much of a Freeman fan, but he did get us in position to win games in the 4th quarter.

For Joe, McCown at 5 mill a year means they don’t trust Glennon. For others, it means they know that didn’t have a ton of experience at the position, or really anyone for Glennon to learn from last year. So, they brought in a guy to either play for a while or as solid back-up and someone for the younger QBs to emulate.

Heck, if we listened to Joe, Freeman would have been signed to a long term team friendly contract at around 8 mill a year, and a ton guaranteed. (there’s no way his agent would have agreed to less)

I love the MGM they love this guy and but can’t understand why this is the NFL you can play or you can’t clearly he can’t. Why waist time with him what don’t you understand. last that’s what he and the O ranked last year. Blame it on whatever you want. he was the QB and he stinks. If you want a QB that passes for 200 yards a game you don’t know anything about football stop talking!

Look, one can project and spin all things in all directions. Joe’s not sure what’s up your ass. Yes, after the 2012 season, Joe was in favor of offering Freeman a team-friendly extension, not one of the massive deals thrown at Ryan, Stafford, Cutler, etc. Joe also wouldn’t have wasted a third-round pick on Glennon or any other QB in last year’s draft. Perhaps if Freeman was shown more confidence, he would have performed better and not melted down. It’s not the Bucs’ fault Freeman crumbled, but it sure wouldn’t have hurt the team to be acutely aware — in advance — of the type of guy they were dealing with and done a better job of managing him. Joe’s confident the Bucs would have done just as well last season with Freeman at the helm. Glennon was no upgrade, which is why the regime is gone — and so to will be Glennon (90% shot). –Joe

Uhh, I’d say the regime is gone because of 3 years of poor play and management by two crappy coaches and one terrible general manager, not Glennon. But why start sharing the blame now? Sure, it’s all Glennon’s fault….

” and so to will be Glennon (90% shot). –Joe”

You are awesome at predictions. Even giving odds now. This should be good.

More of your spin. Reality is Glennon and Schiano are still here if Glennon wins more games and doesn’t take a December nose dive. –Joe

“Look, one can project and spin all things in all directions. Joe’s not sure what’s up your ass. Yes, after the 2012 season, Joe was in favor of offering Freeman a team-friendly extension, not one of the massive deals thrown at Ryan, Stafford, Cutler, etc. Joe also wouldn’t have wasted a third-round pick on Glennon or any other QB in last year’s draft. Perhaps if Freeman was shown more confidence, he would have performed better and not melted down. It’s not the Bucs’ fault Freeman crumbled, but it sure wouldn’t have hurt the team to be acutely aware — in advance — of the type of guy they were dealing with and done a better job of managing him. Joe’s confident the Bucs would have done just as well last season with Freeman at the helm. Glennon was no upgrade, which is why the regime is gone — and so to will be Glennon (90% shot). –Joe”

RFMAO…epic meltdown. someone should have wubbed fweemans widdle head.

now we see joe’s true motive. thank you ODBMeltdown? What “meltdown?” What “motive?” — Joe

newsflash. anyone watching free last year knew he should not have even been on the field. his head wasn’t there as it was.

joe lost ANY AND ALL credibility here.

Freeman left the field for the day in two out of his three games with the Bucs leading. Schiano even took the ball out of Freeman’s hand on what could have been a game-winning drive in favor of a field goal — just after Freeman threw an 18-yard first down to Vincent Jackson. –Joe

No. But the more Joe has to babysit comments that attack Joe’s credibility and, subsequently, maliciously attack Joe’s business, that’s time Joe is not spending on delivering you the most comprehensive Bucs site on the planet. –Joe

“More of your spin. Reality is Glennon and Schiano are still here if Glennon wins more games and doesn’t take a December nose dive. –Joe”

Glennon IS still here. (Duh, but Glennon and Schiano are not.–Joe) … And, weren’t you the person reporting the Glazers already started coach hunting back in Oct/Nov?

So, right, Joe, if only your boy Dominik had gone 31-49 instead of 28-52. All would be good then. Holy revisionist thinking.
Let’s see how the rest of Freeman and Dominik’s careers go. (deleted remaining nonsense)

Coach hunting is not coach hiring. Joe also brought you a story from Charley Casserly explaining that most team GMs are ordered to have fluid lists of replacement coaching targets and options at all times. If you think Schiano wouldn’t be here if the Bucs went 6-2 in the second half of last season, then Joe can’t help you.–Joe

“if the Bucs went 6-2 in the second half of last season, then Joe can’t help you.–Joe”

Right but I’m not going to blame a rookie QB, who didn’t even play the first few games, terrible line, one WR, third string running back, etc. for an entire regime change.

Yet, you still have time to make excuses for Joshie. “If they only massaged his shoulders a little more”. It’s high comedy how Free Free and Dominik get excuses but Glennon does not.

Good luck finding Joe making an excuse for Freeman. Glennon doesn’t need an excuse. The film bears out that he doesn’t have the talent to become a strong NFL starter. No shame in that. He’s been a solid third-round pick. –Joe

“Perhaps if Freeman was shown more confidence, he would have performed better and not melted down. It’s not the Bucs’ fault Freeman crumbled, but it sure wouldn’t have hurt the team to be acutely aware — in advance — of the type of guy they were dealing with and done a better job of managing him.”

It’s fine if you don’t classify that as an excuse. I do. It’s my opinion. 😉

As for Glennon’s film. Oh come on Joe. There’s plenty of pro opinions about his ability to a starter. You’ve even posted them here. Certainly not a fact like you make it sound. “The film bears out.” LOL, ok Mayock…

“Glennon was no upgrade, which is why the regime is gone — and so to will be Glennon (90% shot). –Joe”

I predict that there is a 75% shot that Joe is wrong again and Glennon stays as McCown’s back up.

Do they still have a need for QB? Sure they do, but they won’t draft one this year. Why? Because of Mike Glennon. I think Lovie has no problem running with McCown and Glennon into his first season as Buc’s HC. We’ll see.

Another thing. Atleast maybe after the draft we can get a better gauge on how these 2 (L&L) plan on doing things. Actually it’s almost like a book. Each chapter opens us up to a little more of the story. Training camp is another chapter. Then comes pre-season.

So far we have not read the part in the book where the young rookie QB gets traded. Then of course we’re not even at the 1/2 way point of the book yet.

I’d be ok with the new regime taking a QB if, and only if, they get the third rounder back for Glennon. I wasn’t happy they spent that pick on him last year, but eventually the kid really grew on me and showed drastic improvements from his college days (mainly in the decision making area).
Manziel is the only prospect in this class that trumps Glennon, who is probably still ahead do to his thirteen games of NFL experience, but JF is a unique prospect who could really boom or bust.
other than that I don’t really see a reason to take another third or fourth round QB. If they can trade Glennon for a third and use it to select a guy like Carr or Shaw, that would basically be a wash or even a loss.
I just don’t see the purpose behind pushing Glennon out of town in exchange for anyone besides JF.

No. But the more Joe has to babysit comments that attack Joe’s credibility and, subsequently, maliciously attack Joe’s business, that’s time Joe is not spending on delivering you the most comprehensive Bucs site on the planet. –Joe

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Actually, of late, it’s been the most comprehensive John Manziel site on the planet.

I’m assuming he was referencing someone else re: credibility and maliciousness. Or Joe and I have differing opinions on the definition of each. Which is possible, we have differing opinions on the definition of “agenda”.

He was a freaking rookie for christ’s sake! For the life of me, I just can’t understand your hard-on for degrading this guy… Last ranked offense, last ranked offense, Johnny fooseball, last ranked offense, WE GET IT ALREADY! Seriously, chill the F out about it for a few days. The kid was a rookie playing for a crap coach learning plays drawn up by moron, with an O line as leaky as a sieve, and you wanna crucify him because his drives didn’t impress you enough? Time to put the booze down joe, your beer goggle man-crush for Manziel, and everything anti-Glennon is way past the point of disturbing.

I’d way rather keep Glennon than to take a chance on another thin framed QB in the early rounds(Bridgewater). At least Glennon showed some leadership qualities, something Teddy is rumored to struggle with

If MG8 was able to call all his own plays in no huddle, we would have won 7 or 8 games. You can’t say he didn’t look good running no huddle!! I will be working security at the draft party. Freemanites v. MGM v. The Johnnys is gonna be an epic brawl!!

I think it’s hilarious to see people posting the same excuses for Glennon they refused too use for Freeman….that is beyond delusional. Lovie came in and without hesitation but Glennon on the bench for a career back and out of football coaching. Glennon sucks!!!!! Weak arm, he runs like he’s elderly and all he does is throw checkdowns. The only way Glennon sees the field is preseason or An injury…..let it go already it’s embarrassing

Joe is correct; in 2 of the first 3 games last year, when Josh left the field for the final time, the Bucs had the lead. The defense (Schiano’s specialty) failed to make the lead stick. I was at the Saints game and the folks were accurately predicting that Schiano would not make the right calls needed to win the game. He didn’t. In the Patriots game, Josh threw 3 passes that should have been TDs; the receivers dropped those passes. Schiano stated Glennon gives the team the best chance to win. Once Schiano switched QBs, the team had to produce wins. They didn’t so Schi was fired. Lovie and Licht didn’t draft Glennon and therefore has no loyalty to him. Schiano didn’t view JF5 as the long-term answer at QB. Lovie and Licht feel the same way about Glennon. It’s
as simple as that.

Some of you youngsters don’t realize Elway, Manning’s, Aikman all were much worse than MG8 as rookies! You are spoiled and expect playoffs like what Luck, Flacco and Wilson. Look at Alex Smith, pretty good after Harbaugh. One year is not enough, most of you would have cut hall of famers that struggled early on.

The receivers and the offensive line were the problem,not either of the qbs.Freeman was ok until his meltdown.Glennon would have been better if his receivers could catch third down passes.Especially Jackson who looked like a Clayton clone .If you watched all the games and the especially the last you know what I am talking about.

I would keep Glennon as our long term backup. Pick a QB at #7 and start McCown this year while Tedford works on fixing the new QBs flaws and gets him on the right path with film work. That takes the pressure off the new guy for the first year and raises the odds that he will become a franchise guy. I think the NFL ruins more top QB prospects by rushing them on to the field too soon because of big mouth fans. Glennon will develop into a sound McCown type guy, trustworthy and solid with a long career as a backup. Why wouldnt we want that. And if he is as good as some people think then he should be showing more after another year in the league. After the first or second year McCown retires or is beat out by the new guy who then has Glennon as backup breathing down his neck, pushing him hard for another shot. I could live with that. I know its been reported that Smith is only keeping two QBs but maybe he will re-think.

Freeman is such a wasted talent by his own undoing. What a wack job that kid is. I actually expect him to be out of the league shortly. Luckily the Bucs could be in great postion to draft a real franchise quarterback in only a matter of days.