And yet you took almost 10 minutes to think about it. Unless you spent that time messaging other truthers for what to say. You seem to spend a lot of time logged in, apparently doing nothing. So I assume you're using the message system.

And yet you took almost 10 minutes to think about it. Unless you spent that time messaging other truthers for what to say. You seem to spend a lot of time logged in, apparently doing nothing. So I assume you're using the message system.

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You can ASSume anything you like, far be it for me to interfere with your imagination. I knew you were stalking me, I posted that months ago, but this thread is not about me, you still don't get it. I guess you never will.

(this post took almost 2 hours if you're keeping track, don't forget to log it since you're obviously here to stalk me)

Nope, not interested. Try something else, like the thread topic. Then, maybe ... you never know. It's possible you can't or don't want to since it seems I'm more interesting to you than this thread. In that case, keep posting away, you'll get the same response or none.

So as anyone can plainly see and hear in the video the NTSB guy says at about :38 "this is definitely American Airlines" and at 1:18, he says "hopefully with something like this [a piece of wreckage with a set of numbers on it] in the investigation we will find out exactly what part of the airplane this is from". So it doesn't seem to matter to the NTSB guy that he already believes the plane is American Airlines, he knows the part will be forensically analyzed using its serial number, among other things. And that serial number is logged with all other parts of the aircraft to the aircraft itself. That would conclusively match the part to the plane and identify the plane. Without a parts match, ALL those parts could have conceivably been planted or it could have been a plane other than AA77, made to mimic an American Airlines plane. Or it could have very well been AA77 and the FBI refused to publish the physical proof. One would normally ask why the FBI would do that if it really was AA77. And given the FBI's track record of hiding over 80,000 pages from their PENTTBOM "investigation" from Congress and the 9/11 Commission for 14 years, the issue should raise red flags everywhere.

So as anyone can plainly see and hear in the video the NTSB guy says at about :38 "this is definitely American Airlines" and at 1:18, he says "hopefully with something like this [a piece of wreckage with a set of numbers on it] in the investigation we will find out exactly what part of the airplane this is from". So it doesn't seem to matter to the NTSB guy that he already believes the plane is American Airlines, he knows the part will be forensically analyzed using its serial number, among other things. And that serial number is logged with all other parts of the aircraft to the aircraft itself. That would conclusively match the part to the plane and identify the plane. Without a parts match, ALL those parts could have conceivably been planted or it could have been a plane other than AA77, made to mimic an American Airlines plane. Or it could have very well been AA77 and the FBI refused to publish the physical proof. One would normally ask why the FBI would do that if it really was AA77. And given the FBI's track record of hiding over 80,000 pages from their PENTTBOM "investigation" from Congress and the 9/11 Commission for 14 years, the issue should raise red flags everywhere.

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Stop beating around the bush. It was American Airlines Flight 77. The FBI are bumbling idiots that lose video tapes from the Pentagon and hide stuff all the time, there's nothing new there. The truth is always public, even if 100% of the evidence is not.

For you the OCT is true (probably in its entirety) and I don't care, I'm not here to convince you otherwise. For me it's all lies, there's not one official thing that can be trusted. There is nothing publicly available (physically/forensically) that links any of the allegedly recovered parts to ANY of the alleged designated 4 planes on 9/11. FOIA requests for such information were categorically denied. This has been gone over ad nauseum in this forum.

The paragraph above is 100% fact, not theory or conspiracy theory. If that's "beating around the bush" to you then that's what it is to you.

For you the OCT is true (probably in its entirety) and I don't care, I'm not here to convince you otherwise. For me it's all lies, there's not one official thing that can be trusted. There is nothing publicly available (physically/forensically) that links any of the allegedly recovered parts to ANY of the alleged designated 4 planes on 9/11. FOIA requests for such information were categorically denied. This has been gone over ad nauseum in this forum.

The paragraph above is 100% fact, not theory or conspiracy theory. If that's "beating around the bush" to you then that's what it is to you.

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I guess that American and United Airlines and their insurance carriers are in on the plot too huh Bob? ...

So, to find the truth, you need to look at the fake evidence of known frauds, liars and cyberbullies. Okay. Now I understand your state of mind...

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Precisely! Once one understands the behavior pattern of known liars, and once one analyzes the facts and evidence available, one can (assuming an open and curious mind) easily see the deception brought on 911.

Precisely! Once one understands the behavior pattern of known liars, and once one analyzes the facts and evidence available, one can (assuming an open and curious mind) easily see the deception brought on 911.

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Understanding the behaviour patterns of charlatan "truthers" making up "evidence" to support their fake theories is going to give us an understanding of the facts surrounding the 9/11 attacks?

Then you wasted 15 years, you should have just taken the US government's word for it.

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If I was as lazy as conspiracy theorists I might as well, but I'm a skeptic, I don't believe things based on faith, I believe things based on evidence.

When I wanted to find something about 9/11, I downloaded hundreds of gigabytes of information, including air traffic control audio, radar data, documents, video, pictures, and spend months going through them all, forming my own picture of what happened that morning. I didn't just go and watch a 5 minute youtube video like conspiracy thoerists do.

When I wanted to look into conspiracy theorists, I try as I might to compare the theories with the evidence, but the theories didn't stack up. Not a single theory stands up to the evidence. None. Zip. Nada.

So, I follow the evidence, and the evidence shows that 19 al qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 airliners and used them as weapons.

If I was as lazy as conspiracy theorists I might as well, but I'm a skeptic, I don't believe things based on faith, I believe things based on evidence.

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Just the fact that you spent 15 years researching 9/11 makes you a conspiracy theorist. If you weren't, you would have never done that. In your case though, it seems you wanted to try to prove to yourself that the OCT is true. Possibly because that would bring you comfort (assuming you have no other agenda).

It is moronic nonsense to demonize "conspiracy theorists" as you do. There are many careers based on conspiracy theory, such as the intelligence, enforcement and legal industries. These people are highly trained in conspiracy theory.

the evidence shows that 19 al qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 airliners and used them as weapons.

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That also makes you a conspiracy theorist, the OCT is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

I've spent about 12 years researching 9/11 nearly every single day (and still actively do) for the same reason you claim. But in your world that makes me a "lazy conspiracy theorist". Utter contradictory/conflicting hogwash, you make no sense.

imho people who call what happened that day the 'OCT' and refer to it as a conspiracy theory are severely divorced from reality.

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Someone who regularly demonizes conspiracy theorists and believes in the official conspiracy theory should not be talking about anyone else being "severely divorced from reality". What happened that day is reality. What is not known is the truth and a ton of facts about what happened that day So all there is is conspiracy theory since it was after all, a terrorist conspiracy act no matter what else anyone wants to believe about 9/11.

The US government has massive volumes of documents and evidence on 9/11 that are classified.

There is approximately 570 cubic feet of textual records. A large percentage of the Commission's records are national security classified files.

NIST has an estimated 2,000 documents/pieces of evidence it refuses to release via FOIA requests. Who knows what else the US government has that is being hidden.

Even the 9/11 Commissioners publicly recommended that there should be a permanent 9/11 Commission. Why on earth would they recommend that if they thought everything about 9/11 is known?

Based on the above facts, anyone who believes the official 9/11 story is a known/settled fact is either ignorant, cognitive dissonant, apathetic, delusional or a combination of these negative traits. Those who support/defend the OCT haven't a clue what they're supporting/defending. IMO, given the above FACTS, supporting/defending the OCT (especially as a daily exercise in discussion forums) is insanity. No one could possibly know exactly what they're supporting/defending.

Understanding the behaviour patterns of charlatan "truthers" making up "evidence" to support their fake theories is going to give us an understanding of the facts surrounding the 9/11 attacks?

We really have gone down the rabbit hole.

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We all went down the rabbit hole on 11 September 2001.

Some of us have been able to return to the surface and bright sunlight, others have not.

Welcome to the new age, to borrow from Imagine Dragons. The new age in which general knowledge includes the fact that the world was deceived on 911. The new age in which people generally know they were fooled, but they just can't imagine the details of how it was pulled off.

No, I did not visit the blog. Government apologist blogs are a dime and dozen and offer only the same tired old invalid claims.

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Of course you didn't, religious fundamentalists will never dare go research into anything which may shake their faith, the religion of truthers is strong with this one. Hell, you may have to admit you were wrong if you visited my blog, how horrible would that be? For you to learn something and use facts and evidence to shape your opinion instead of faith? How horrible of me for even suggesting you become informed..