--- Log opened Tue May 15 00:00:55 2007
00:01 < dmacks> akh_gone: treeline needs Depends:python24...it's a script, so it needs the actual pyhton interp not just .dylib
00:02 < dmacks> akh_gone: modulo that, it looks good for 10.3
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00:27 < snarfer> Well
00:28 < snarfer> Turns out that I didn't need to get ahold of vasi
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00:48 < pogma> hi drm
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01:00 < drm> hi pogma
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01:05 < lost626> hello all
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01:07 < snarfer> Heyo
01:08 < lost626> has the firefox2 port been discontinued, I can't seem to find it
01:08 < snarfer> I suggest that you look on the mozilla homepage
01:09 < snarfer> I've noticed that there are Mac ports.
01:10 < lost626> you are witty
01:10 < snarfer> Thanks, I try my best
01:12 < lost626> seriously, though do you know whether that was taken out of the main tree? I see Conflicts and Replaces entries for firefox2 but not the package itself
01:12 < snarfer> Why do you need it?
01:12 < lost626> been googling for a while too and haven't found anything relating to my problem
01:12 < dmacks> ffox2 is waiting on new gtk2
01:12 < snarfer> Like I said, there are Mac ports
01:15 < lost626> dmacks are you still having a policy issue with getting your gtk2 upgraded in the tree?
01:16 < dmacks> lost626: We're working on a huge sweeping upgrade to all gtk2 users.
01:16 < lost626> ah
01:16 < dmacks> So the policy issue is solved, just tidying up the implementation.
01:17 < lost626> that's cool for you then
01:17 < dmacks> Ranger mostly I think
01:17 < lost626> well I mean now your gnome port will be easier to do
01:17 < dmacks> Yeeah
01:22 < lost626> so when you go through gnome, how do you go about it? I mean do you go from platform to desktop and try to get the newer stuff in fink, or do you rely on fink's stuff and just build the rest?
01:23 < dmacks> Fink doesn't distinguish platform vs desktop vs "other random packages that use gnome libs". Just start at the lowest-level libs and work up the dependency tree.
01:23 < dmacks> Manually.
01:23 < dmacks> Making sure to have appropriate versioned dependencies.
01:24 < lost626> hrmm
01:25 < lost626> it's just I been on my own for a while now, and I kinda miss the recognition I used to get from Tony way back when I helped on gnome 2.10 with him, I been workin on gnome 2.18 with my package manager, but was thinking of helping out on another project, eg macports or fink
01:26 < lost626> I like my stuff to benefit others as well as me, to get the "warm fuzzies"
01:27 < dmacks> We have a whole CVS branch of 10.4/unstable that has been converted to the New World gtk, probably needs a lot of test-building to look for missing dependencies (since it's based on Old-World gtk+2 packages).
01:27 < lost626> I think I talked to you a while back about it dmacks, but it sounded like you were going through a nightmare with all the different freetype and pango nocairo and with cairo crap
01:27 < dmacks> Yup.
01:28 < dmacks> We bit the bullet and are going to force (essentially) a complete rebuild of all gnomeish packages at once, similar to a 10.3->10.4 fink-wide upgrade.
01:29 < tjcarter> whee, trying to make a PowerPC-bootable USB drive..
01:29 < tjcarter> not the easiest task, nor the most guaranteed to succeed.
01:30 < lost626> well dmacks I will ask you again then, do you want a hand with gnome?
01:31 < dmacks> lost626: Love it! Not sure quite how best to get started, RangerRick is driving this and best knows the status/TODO here
01:31 < lost626> I will have to rebuild a lot of stuff again, but I could probably relearn the syntax
01:33 < dmacks> Then "Welcome back to fink!"
01:33 < lost626> does fink have pretty good documentation on how to set up overlay tress and stuff
01:33 < dmacks> Nope:(
01:34 < lost626> I was spoiled by slackintosh and gentoo and I have coreutils just the way I like it, andd that would be the first thing I would have to do
01:34 < lost626> fink doesn't use coreutils does it?
01:34 < dmacks> fink has a coreutils package, but doesn't rely on it.
01:35 < lost626> ok
01:35 < dmacks> (apple's basic unixish toolchain is fine)
01:35 < lost626> ok I will do that then
01:35 < lost626> I am spoiled with GNU syntax
01:36 < lost626> gotta love the colored ls and PS1 stuff
01:36 < dmacks> yeah
01:37 < lost626> ok, well
01:37 * lost626 goes off for some hours compiling time
01:37 * dmacks goes back to work, catch y'all later
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02:04 < lost626> is there a way in fink to force CFLAGS?
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02:27 < pogma> what CFLAGS do you need to force?
02:29 < lost626> pogma: I have had better luck with speed and such with packages I have built using only -O2 in the CFLAGS
02:29 < lost626> but there are a few where I would like to use mcpu=7400 and mtune=7400
02:32 < pogma> lost626: ok. No there is no supported way to set CFLAGS like that. Fink policy is that what builds on user A's system should be the same as what builds on user Z's system
02:32 < lost626> I mean I know I could do it if I rewrote the .info files for the packages to use a script for the configure, but I wanted to know if there was a way to do it in a "fink" way
02:32 < lost626> oh
02:33 < lost626> so are there no packages that use maltivec then?
02:36 < lost626> pogma do you know if/what the logic is for still having the gettext-0.14.5 package dependency?
02:38 < lost626> I don't mean to pick on pogma, that question is open to anyone
02:39 < pogma> lost626: There should be multiple gettext-dev packages available to install
02:40 < pogma> lost626: sorry, not currently at a mac that has fink on it
02:40 < lost626> pogma no prob, it's just I am trying to get wget going and it is insisting on gettext-dev and -tools from 0.14.5
02:41 < pogma> yeah, let it be
02:42 < pogma> send a note to the maintainer to update the depenencies when he/she updates the wget pacakge if you like
02:44 < lost626> ok I think I may know why
02:44 < lost626> ofcourse I am guessing, but maybe it requires the older one since it depends on the system-ssl?
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02:49 < lost626> does fink read all the .sh files in etc/profile.d when starting a shell or only when building a package?
02:56 < lost626> nevermind I looked at init.sh
03:20 < Skaag> fink has gnome?!
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03:40 < lost626> does fink have a parellel download option?
03:45 < Skaag> good question, that would be nice
03:47 < lost626> perhaps I shall have to learn perl and write a patch, I wrote my own package manager, so I should pick it up quick
03:48 < Skaag> :-)
03:48 < Skaag> sounds pretty complicated
03:48 < Skaag> to write a multithreaded download handler that knows to wait for dependencies, etc.
03:48 < jack-> lost626: apt does parallel downloads anyway
03:48 < Skaag> but maybe i'm blowing it our of proportions
03:49 < jack-> what for do you want fink to do that?
03:49 < jack-> downloading multiple sources at once?
03:49 < jack-> silly...
03:49 < lost626> download source code while compiling
03:49 < jack-> ok, it doesnt do that
03:50 < jack-> run another fink, mission accomplished..if you have 2 cpus/cores anyway, there's no drawback
03:52 < lost626> ok jack- heres a hypothetical, fink install foo, foo has 9 deps, does it download the source for all 9 deps or download and compile the first then the second like that?
03:52 < lost626> it's been a long time so I honestly don't know
03:52 < jack-> hmm, not 100% sure
03:52 < jack-> but i guess it would do one by one
03:53 < jack-> get, build, install, next
03:53 < lost626> but what I am doing now it seems like it downloads all source first
03:53 < lost626> I haven't done anything to advanced, so maybe I haven't given it enough deps yet
03:54 < jack-> thats ok isnt it?
03:54 < jack-> biggest source file is wesnoth or so..or openoffice.org
03:54 < jack-> most are <10mb
03:54 < jack-> but anyway
03:54 < jack-> !todai
03:54 < Melian> rumour has it, todai is an unofficial bindist for 10.3 and 10.4 (non-transitional, x86 and PPC) that is not supported by the fink project. Add "deb http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/apt/10.4 unstable main crypto" to your /sw/etc/apt/sources.list file. If you have problems, fink@sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp might be able to help.
03:54 < pinson> it has been said that todai is an unofficial binary distribution that generally works, but has no warranty... ;) See http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/item/14 for more info.
03:55 < jack-> you should use that, imo
03:55 < lost626> I know, but us poor folk in the boonies depending on slow hardware and dialup it can make a difference
03:55 < jack-> oh dialup
03:55 < jack-> use todai!
03:55 < jack-> saves you all that build time
03:55 < jack-> and the binary packages are smaller too
03:57 < jack-> !unstable bindist
03:57 < Melian> There are 2 unstable bindists atm. Add "deb http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/apt/10.4 unstable main crypto" and "deb http://xanana.ucsc.edu/fink_10.4 unstable main crypto" to /sw/etc/apt/sources.list, if you're running 10.4 on PPC. Both are unsupported, so don't cry if things break.
03:57 < pinson> jack-: Are you smoking crack?
03:57 < jack-> voila, 2 of them
03:57 < lost626> is fink planning on compressed man/info pages any time soon, or am I just missing an update?
03:58 < jack-> arent a lot of them gzipped already?
03:58 < jack-> man handles that
03:58 < lost626> in my man and info directories they are not that's why I ask
03:58 < jack-> but..dont say you're oh so low on diskspace too
03:58 < jack-> an uncompressed manpage is just text, with a few troff control codes
03:58 < lost626> nah not really
03:59 < jack-> = compresses perfectly, in the source.tgz
03:59 < jack-> you should be able to gzip the manpages manually..
04:00 < lost626> oh easily
04:00 < jack-> gzip handles globbed patterns, couldnt be easier
04:00 < lost626> I usually use bzip2
04:00 < jack-> not sure if man groks that
04:00 < jack-> maybe not
04:00 < lost626> just wondering
04:00 < lost626> on 10.4 it doesn't
04:00 < jack-> !debian
04:00 < Melian> [debian] not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Please repeat that.
04:00 < pinson> I haven't a clue, jack-
04:01 < lost626> when I ren 10.3 briefly I know it did
04:01 < jack-> wicked
04:01 < jack-> never played with compressing my manfiles, cant say anything
04:02 < lost626> well I guess it is not that big a deal, it can't take that much space
04:02 < jack-> thats what i mean ;)
04:03 < jack-> saves you half a gig or so, if you have _all_ fink packages installed
04:03 < lost626> half a gig on man pages?
04:03 < jack-> something around that
04:03 < lost626> wow
04:03 < jack-> look at my _all_
04:03 < jack-> fink isnt that small anymore ;)
04:04 < jack-> all would mean like 1500 packages you'll never need
04:05 < lost626> well I am hoping to help expand it even more
04:06 < jack-> sounds good :) what kind of stuff are you porting?
04:06 < jack-> i'm mr. KDE junior, RangerRick's apprentice
04:07 < lost626> I built a lot of GNOME 2.18 on my own, so I am hoping to help on that front
04:07 < jack-> omg :) you know about the pangocairo shit?
04:08 < jack-> better to wait until thats merged back in..
04:08 < lost626> yea that's why I did it on my own
04:08 < jack-> currently, fink-gnome is a mess
04:09 < jack-> we got someone to build e17 at least
04:09 < jack-> but still quite far from a complete 2.18
04:09 < lost626> dmacks said that Rick is planning a "huge sweeping upgrade to all gtk2 users"
04:09 < jack-> yup
04:10 < jack-> thats the merge i meant
04:10 < jack-> will affect like every x11 user with fink stuff
04:11 < lost626> be nice to have th info and patch files though in a local directory
04:11 < jack-> of course
04:12 < jack-> switch to cvs if you want, and check out the experimental "tree"
04:12 < jack-> you can play with RangerRick's stuff already
04:12 < jack-> anyway, i should be leaving :) later
04:13 < lost626> later
04:13 < lost626> is there a readme on how to do this experimental thing?
04:16 < lost626> o do I just checkout experimental and slap it in the fink directoy?
04:28 < Skaag> aren't fink packages the same as apt-get packages?
04:29 < Skaag> I installed apache2 already, with apt-get, but now I am trying to install php5-ssl with fink install, and it tries to install apache2 again...
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04:34 < chris01> Skaag: apt-get only "sees" packages available as binaries. fink sees all.
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04:35 < Shibo_Tetsuo> good day all
04:37 < jack-> short note before finally jumping out the door
04:37 < jack-> Skaag: fink always picks the newest version it knows
04:37 < Skaag> chris01: so if I installed apache2 binary, will fink try to install a newer version because the source package is of a newer version?
04:37 < Skaag> what will then happen to the binary package? will it be upgraded?
04:37 < jack-> yes
04:37 < jack-> yes
04:37 < Skaag> I see, ok makes sense.
04:38 < jack-> enable todai, use only apt-get
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04:38 < jack-> or wait for fink to build it
04:39 * jack- off
04:40 < jack-> gah, this nick sucks..
04:40 < jack-> :P
04:40 < jack-> laters!
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04:42 < chris01> Skaag: fink sees both, so it should do the right thing.
04:42 < chris01> I recommend just sticking to 'fink'.
04:43 < chris01> fink calls apt-get internally, if it sees an up-to-date binary package, or will build from source, if not.
04:43 < chris01> you can check this by typing 'fink dumpinfo -f allversions packagename'
04:46 < Skaag> what's todai?
04:46 < Skaag> yah I will use fink only, from now on
04:47 < chris01> !todai
04:47 < Melian> todai is probably an unofficial bindist for 10.3 and 10.4 (non-transitional, x86 and PPC) that is not supported by the fink project. Add "deb http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/apt/10.4 unstable main crypto" to your /sw/etc/apt/sources.list file. If you have problems, fink@sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp might be able to help.
04:47 < pinson> it has been said that todai is an unofficial binary distribution that generally works, but has no warranty... ;) See http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/item/14 for more info.
04:48 < chris01> Skaag: there you go
04:48 < Skaag> cool :)
04:48 < chris01> pinson, Melian: thanks!
04:48 < pinson> chris01: No idea
04:48 < chris01> ha!
04:48 < chris01> Melian: thank you.
04:48 < Melian> pas de quoi, chris01
04:48 < chris01> aha... better.
04:49 < Skaag> lol
04:49 < Skaag> a french bot? :)
04:49 < chris01> i don't think so, just very talented
04:50 < Skaag> ahhhhhhh it works now :-)
04:50 < Skaag> thank you thank you
04:50 < chris01> :) i am glad we were able to help you!
04:51 < chris01> And: make sure you give feedback to the maintainers of packages you use. Both positive and negative feedback is very important for the maintainers.
04:51 < chris01> You find their email by typing 'fink info packagename'
04:53 < Skaag> will definitely do that now that you mention it's important
04:54 < Skaag> I forget sometimes that this is not debian
04:54 < Skaag> in debian the maintainers get tons of emails, I feel bad sending them even more
04:54 < Skaag> I imagine with fink there's much less feedback?
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05:07 < SJR_> hi, im a little further than i was yesterday configure is completing but make is failling on some undefined symbols, using the version that came with the plugin. i ran fink install opensp4 which worked fine so i tried downloading the open sp fink package from one of its mirrors. but when i try compiling that manually i get an error "i686-apple-darwin8-g++-4.0.1: Internal error: Illegal instruction (program cc1plus)" just before im getting warnings
05:16 < chris01> Skaag: yep, it's different with fink...
05:17 < chris01> !debian
05:17 < pinson> chris01: Wish i knew
05:17 < Melian> somebody said debian was not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Please repeat that.
05:17 < chris01> ;)
05:17 < chris01> pinson: debian is not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Debian is not Fink. Please repeat that.
05:17 < pinson> okay, chris01
05:48 < akh_gone> SJR_: define "manually"--you're not using Fink to compile it?
05:51 < SJR_> akh_gone: kinda sorted that problem, ive copied the required lib out to where its needed, but im now getting an error with compiling spvalid, getting _NSGetModule not linked in objects. ive looked it up and it seems that its linked in xpcom
05:51 < akh_gone> ah
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05:57 < SJR_> hmm, libxpcomglue.a has no table of contents?
05:59 < SJR_> dont suppose you want to have a look in to compiling http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html for intel mac (firefox 2) :) would be really greatfull
06:02 < akh_gone> No Intel Mac here.
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08:00 < jack-> back
08:01 < jack-> chris01: of course i agree, if someone wants fresh stuff he should stick with "fink"
08:01 < jack-> but imagine, todai is pretty current and complete
08:01 < jack-> so nothing holds one back to abuse the binary dist(s) as if it was ubuntu or whatever
08:02 < jack-> its usable, and fun :) synaptic, kynaptic, aptitude, kpackage etc
08:03 < jack-> particularly on a slow mac that can make the difference between PITA and really useful..
08:03 < chris01> i agree. however, todai is still unofficial, can be down, might be broken etc.
08:03 < jack-> sure :)
08:03 < jack-> but its a step into the right direction
08:03 < chris01> So, I hesitate to recommend it to a newbie. From official side...
08:04 < chris01> We are working towards a more frequent binary dist, but it takes time.
08:04 < jack-> i enjoy checking out random things so much more since i got unstable bindists :)
08:04 < jack-> yeah, no rush
08:05 < jack-> when the official unstable build process is in place, i'll prolly have adept packaged as well
08:05 < jack-> even more fun :)
08:07 < jack-> chris01: and compared to quite a bunch of the unofficial ubuntu extra repositories...todai is really good
08:07 < jack-> you never see such a mess in fink
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08:21 < slicslak> so can i use pbpaste to paste to the x11 clipboard (ctrl-c/v) somehose?
08:25 < slicslak> somehow
08:27 < akh_gone> I think you have to use it from the command line
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08:28 * chris01 hitting reload on http://www.apple.com/store every 5 seconds...
08:28 < akh> One could probably make an Application menu item for it.
08:28 < akh> (pbpaste)
08:29 < akh> chris01: why?
08:29 < chris01> akh: go, look.
08:29 < chris01> akh: will commit db-row-py soon, if you don't object.
08:30 < akh> Go for it.
08:30 < akh> Unless Apple is offering free computers for the first 10 viewers I'm not overly motivated. :-)
08:31 < akh> Bet the featured item rhymes with "My loan"
08:32 < RangerRick> if they're putting out new laptops I'm motivated, my new job is going to give me a loaded mac but we're waiting for new hardware before we get it
08:32 < akh> Sweet
08:32 < akh> Give me ssh access. :-)
08:33 < RangerRick> I can give you access to my mini if you want
08:34 < akh> Might not hurt. I'd just build normal stuff on it.
08:34 < akh> (for the tracker)
08:39 < jack-> :)
08:40 < jack-> RangerRick: how's stuff looking with 3.5.7? no big changes right?
08:40 < RangerRick> nope
08:41 < RangerRick> hm, missing shlibs in kdelibs, not good :(
08:41 < RangerRick> (libkabc_net)
08:41 < jack-> oh
08:41 < jack-> i think there's some new bit in kdepim too
08:41 < jack-> a lib or 2
08:42 < RangerRick> new is ok
08:42 < RangerRick> missing is bad :)
08:42 < jack-> true ;p
08:43 < jack-> did you consider putting kdemultimedia in this time?
08:43 < jack-> i really dont know if the artsmodules stuff breaks anything..didnt look like it here, but who knows
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08:43 < jack-> but some bits of it would be really useful, you know
08:43 < RangerRick> yeah, I intend to integrate what you had before releasing 3.5.7
08:44 < jack-> ok :) akode should be ready, with your patch
08:53 < chris01> ah... http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html
08:58 < RangerRick> hm, but not pros?
08:58 < RangerRick> damn! should I wait? I don't know!
08:58 < RangerRick> hehe
08:59 < jack-> if it comes soonish, and work pays for it anyway, sure thing ;)
08:59 < jack-> prolly worth waiting a bit
09:00 < baba> RangerRick: i cannot run update.sh... is it just me?
09:00 < RangerRick> um... I don't know
09:00 < RangerRick> what does it do?
09:03 < baba> oops it is working now
09:04 < RangerRick> ah, good
09:06 < akh> RangerRick: Should I check out doc stuff for updates from finch now, or are we still using sf.net for that?
09:07 < RangerRick> everything's on finch
09:07 < RangerRick> AFAIK
09:07 < akh> cool
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09:44 < asari> a, akh, did you successfully build openoffice.org?
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09:48 < slicslak> when i alt-tab back to x11 it doesn't come to the front.
09:48 < slicslak> what's the solution for this?
09:51 < asari> Maybe setting shortcut key to "Make all windows in front"?
09:53 < slicslak> asari, great idea
09:54 < asari> well.
09:56 < slicslak> can't wait for a newer version of osx. x11 implementation is pretty annoying at this point.
09:59 < mee_bot> Yo - pinson - why were you whacking me last night?
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10:55 < akh> asari: I used the Todai .deb
10:56 < akh> mee_bot: because someone told her to?
10:57 < akh> slicslak: XDarwin.app works a bit better IMO.
11:01 < mee_bot> I am scheduling my hotel for WWDC today!!!! woohoo! (got the travel expenses approved!!!!!!!!)
11:01 < akh> nice
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11:25 < snarfer> o.O
11:25 < snarfer> Apple should give out free WWDC tickets to open source developers.
11:25 < snarfer> srsly
11:26 < rudy> they sort of do, only not to developers.
11:27 < snarfer> Cool.
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11:40 < Snaggle> !ping asari
11:40 * Melian tolls a 5-meter-bell over asari's head.
11:40 < pinson> Snaggle: I haven't a clue
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11:47 < htodd> man, I got confused here
11:47 < akh> How so?
11:47 < htodd> I thought I was on #od but there's too much real stuff being discussed
11:47 < akh> heh
11:47 < htodd> are you going to WWDC?
11:48 < rudy> htodd is!
11:49 < htodd> you should see the dent in my bank account because of it. :)
11:49 < htodd> good thing I'm staying at a friend's place in SF
11:50 < rudy> you'd have to file for bankruptcy if you were staying in a hotel?
11:50 < htodd> yeah, no kidding
11:50 < rudy> luckily for me my company is paying
11:51 < rudy> 5 people get to go
11:51 < htodd> my boss was kind of questioning why I was taking vacation to go to WWDC
11:51 < rudy> you should have asked him if he was interested in paying for you to go :)
11:52 < htodd> I tried that last year when I was in a more opensores-friendly group
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11:53 < rudy> htodd: i got my current job because i went to wwdc last year
11:53 < htodd> yay
11:53 * rudy gives NASA thanks for giving him the mechanism for escaping
11:53 < htodd> where are you now?
11:54 < rudy> Ambrosia Software
11:54 < htodd> woo
11:54 < htodd> what was that game I used to play all the time? :D
11:54 < rudy> avara?
11:54 < rudy> pop-pop?
11:54 < htodd> it was back in my 20th-anniversary mac days
11:55 < rudy> ferazel's wand?
11:55 < htodd> it was like bejeweled, I think. It's been a loooong time.
11:55 < rudy> apeiron?
11:56 < htodd> could be. Now you have me craving an Oxyd game
11:56 < htodd> or Populous, or Lemmings
11:56 < rudy> bolo!
11:56 < htodd> never did get into Marathon, but maybe even that
11:57 < htodd> time for a bolo tournament
11:59 < rudy> http://www.lgm.com/bolo/people/emails.html
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12:40 < flupps|US> Is there a way to search contents of packages in fink? In this case I'm looking for the package that contains the binary of "ranlib" for example. What's the best way to find this?
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12:41 < akh> That's in odcctools, but there's a system-installed version.
12:42 < akh> "dpkg -S " will search your installed files.
12:42 < akh> s/files/packages for /
12:43 < flupps|US> akh: awesome, thanks
12:43 < akh> Sure.
12:45 < pogma> there should not be any real need to install odcctools on 10.4
12:46 < flupps|US> I'm trying to compile mysql and I get an unrecognized option for ranlib -q
12:47 < flupps|US> that's why I figured I'd try
12:47 < pogma> flupps|US: ls -l /usr/bin/ranlib
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12:48 < pogma> flupps|US: it should be a symlink to libtool
12:48 < flupps|US> pogma: it is
12:48 < pogma> flupps|US: /usr/bin/libtool --version
12:48 < flupps|US> hmm, that's probably the issue here. Seems I have GNU libtool 1.5.22
12:48 < pogma> should *NOT* say GNU
12:49 < pogma> you installed gnu libtool with --prefix=/usr
12:49 < flupps|US> right
12:49 < pogma> you need to reinstall the xcode tools
12:49 < pogma> /usr/bin/libtool is not GNU libtool
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12:49 < pogma> /usr/bin/glibtool is
12:49 < flupps|US> yeah, just wondering how I got that done :x
12:50 < pogma> a reinstall of the xcode tools should fix it
12:50 < pogma> so, don't panic :-)
12:52 < flupps|US> great, thanks again guys :)
12:52 < flupps|US> now, to figure out how I corrupted it in the first place ;)
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13:35 < zbrown> If I built fink 0.27.1 on one box and I have 8 others that are identical to it, could I just copy the /sw directory to the other 8?
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13:41 < akh> zbrown: yes
13:41 < zbrown> akh: ok thanks
13:42 < akh> no problem
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14:19 < akh> hmm...
14:20 < zbrown> hmmm?
14:20 * akh wonders if it wouldn't be a good idea to have virtual packages for more of the the SDKs than we do currently.
14:21 < akh> (apropos message on -beginners re: glitz)
14:21 < dmacks> Make VirtPackages.pm pluggable, then actual packages (!= fink core) can supply various SDK-detection abilities.
14:22 < dmacks> rc=fopen(can_of_worms}
14:24 < akh> hehe
14:24 < akh> That probably wouldn't suck, though. Along with packages being able to add/remove their own users rather than passwd
14:24 < akh> via passwd
14:24 < dmacks> We already have three different pluggable things, each that roll their own pluggability, so I figure adding one more won't make that mess any more messy
14:24 < akh> mmmm....spaghetti
14:25 < dmacks> Er, make that "already have four"
14:25 < dmacks> Forgot about profile.d:)
14:26 < pogma> so you could builddepend: detect-macosx104u-sdk, macosx104u-sdk
14:26 < dmacks> ya
14:26 < pogma> but now, does not fink try and resolve dependencies all at once?
14:26 < mee_bot> anyone else going to wwdc?
14:26 < pogma> me
14:26 < pogma> Actually, no that could work
14:26 < mee_bot> I am trying to find something cheaper than the parc55
14:27 < mee_bot> but still a roach free fast enet connect
14:27 < pogma> I stayed a t a $35/day place last year
14:27 < dmacks> Yeah, as long as installing a new detect-FOO triggers VirtPackage to rescan everythin
14:27 < pogma> was afraid of the shower
14:27 < dmacks> iSlasher?
14:27 < mee_bot> yeah... i'm old - I need a shower
14:27 < pogma> had to close my eyes while using it :)
14:27 < akh> heh
14:28 < dmacks> mee_bot: Because a few K dirty hippies squashed into a conference center wouldn't reek anyway...
14:28 < mee_bot> I was at the Parc55 last year - the boss paid - but I wanna save some money
14:28 < mee_bot> i figure what i save i get to eat
14:29 < mee_bot> and my wife is coming up on thurs
14:29 < pogma> if you don't mind taking BART in and out, you can probably find nice cheap hotels outside the center. the mosser is cheapish with shared bathroom
14:29 < dmacks> Whoa folks, hope y'all's dead-pools are heavy on the televangelists!
14:29 < mee_bot> so... mini vacation!
14:30 < pogma> it's right next to moscone
14:30 < akh> dmacks: which one/ones?
14:30 < mee_bot> mosser came up on the list - they do have suites w/ private bath
14:31 < dmacks> akh: Jerry Fallwell gone, Tammy Baker few weeks max.
14:32 < pogma> mee_bot: http://themosser.com
14:32 < pogma> you pay a lot for that private bath iirc
14:34 < mee_bot> all booked on the 11 and 12th
14:34 < RangerRick> dmacks: the pluggable virtuals would be pretty awesome
14:34 < pogma> heh, not surprising
14:35 < mee_bot> pogma - any other ideas?
14:35 < pogma> RangerRick booked somewhere
14:35 < mee_bot> pogma - one room for old dude and wife mid week.... - on a state budget
14:35 < RangerRick> I'm at the Powell
14:35 < RangerRick> which was about $110 a night
14:35 < pogma> mee_bot: how old are you?
14:36 * pogma thinks he may be older :)
14:36 < mee_bot> if you have to ask - you don't need to know....
14:36 < mee_bot> :-)
14:36 < akh> $110? Sounds like a fleabag
14:36 < akh> :-)
14:36 < mee_bot> http://www.thepowellhotel.com/
14:37 < RangerRick> yeah, $119 a night
14:37 < RangerRick> not too bad considering it's 2 blocks from moscone and has free wireless :)
14:37 < mee_bot> what is going on up there on the 12th? that is a common blocked out date up there...
14:37 < RangerRick> given that, I fear it will be scary on the inside ;)
14:41 < pogma> Last year, I found that I returned to the hotel at ~10pm or later every night, and left there at 7 or 8 in the morning. So if that is the case with you, it does not really matter too much what the hotel is like on the inside (as long as the shower is not scary :-p)
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14:45 < RangerRick> hah, yeah
14:56 < akh> And it's not like there are going to be women to meet, even if you _are_ too scared to shower. :-)
14:57 < akh> hmm...probably reverse the order of those two phrases
14:57 < mee_bot> ahhhh.. check this one out - http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60713-d218776-r6762810-The_Pickwick-San_Francisco_California.html
14:57 < mee_bot> OUCH!
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14:59 < akh> You scared pogma! ;-)
15:00 < mee_bot> how do you get google maps to do walking routes - or was that yahoo maps? or microsquish something?
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15:03 < mee_bot> trying expedia
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15:04 < lost626> hey dmacks, can you tell me which experimental tree I should be using?
15:11 < lost626> RangerRick, if dmacks was telling me last night something about an experimental tree with the new pangocairo stuff, can you tell me which one that is?
15:12 < akh> It's not an experimental tree--it's a branch of 10.4
15:12 < lost626> omit that if, I was typing something else and missed if
15:12 < lost626> ok so what branch?
15:14 < lost626> I'm sorry maybe it's a simple thing that I am just missing
15:15 * dmacks in meeting, can't talk now
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15:18 < akh> lost626: pangocairo-branch
15:19 < RangerRick> and it's not ready for users yet :)
15:19 < RangerRick> unless you're prepared to completely delete your fink tree and start over when it goes public or if it breaks inbetween
15:19 < lost626> Rick I wanted to help test it
15:20 < lost626> and my Fink installation consists of about 10 packages ATM
15:20 < RangerRick> well then you're welcome to try
15:20 < RangerRick> you have to be using unstable, and selfupdate-cvs
15:20 < lost626> I just started last night I want to help you guys
15:20 < RangerRick> then: cd /sw/fink/dists/unstable; cvs up -r pangocairo-branch
15:21 < lost626> ok let me pull cvs then
15:22 < RangerRick> if you have problems, let me or dmacks know, it's not ready for maintainers or the list or anything
15:22 < RangerRick> I still have a lot of validation to do
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15:23 < lost626> ok is there some fancy way to force my fink to use cvs to slefupdate?
15:24 < RangerRick> "fink selfupdate-cvs"
15:24 < lost626> nm found a setting I missed
15:24 < lost626> but yea that's the one I was looking for
15:25 < lost626> does self-update-cvs still pull all trees, eg 10.2 10.3 etc
15:26 < akh> No
15:26 < akh> Not by default, anymore.
15:26 < lost626> oh thank god
15:26 < lost626> that just kills a dialup connection
15:33 < lost626> so Rick do you have a list of things that you need tested or just whatever I may encounter?
15:34 < lost626> dmacks was saying that you would need it checked for missing dependencies
15:35 < RangerRick> lost626: well at this point, I'm just doing buildfink builds over and over as I find issues
15:35 < RangerRick> once I can get things 100% building, I'm going to validate all the debs
15:35 < lost626> buildfink?
15:36 < RangerRick> msachs' autobuilding tool
15:36 < RangerRick> it's in the scripts module of fink cvs
15:36 * RangerRick tries updating our net-snmp package to 5.4
15:44 < akh> Is that work-related?
15:48 < RangerRick> indirectly
15:48 < RangerRick> all mac shop here, and the net-snmp that comes with osx is teh suck
15:48 < akh> ah
15:49 * akh misses the "all-mac shop" concept. :-(
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17:21 < knutin> Hi! I'm having some problems with system-xfree86-*. fink-virtual-pkgs --debug says system-xfree86{,-dev,shlibs} is installed and ok, but system-xfree86-manual-install's status is set to: purge ok not-installed. I've removed the X11SDK receipt and reinstalled it, done a selfupdate, scanpackages and even an index, but it still says sys..manual-install is not installed. Fink then complaints it can't find x11 and friends. How do I tell fink to do
17:23 < akh> knutin: That means that some file isn't getting installed correctly.
17:24 < akh> Check "fink-virtual-pkgs --debug" to see what's missing.
17:24 < akh> Just because you have system-xfree86 doesn't mean you have the corresponding "x11" package, and that's what everything depends on.
17:24 < akh> !x11sdk
17:24 < pinson> Wish i knew, akh
17:24 < Melian> it has been said that x11sdk is http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-packages.php#apple-x11-wants-xfree86
17:25 < knutin> akh: it says it can't find rman, that's all as far as I can see.
17:26 < knutin> akh: and yes, I've tried everything that faq suggests, even the special debug stuff, but no luck :/
17:26 < akh> Check "fink list x11"
17:26 < akh> Most likely the problem is from Apple's installer.
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17:27 < knutin> there should be a p next to x11-app?
17:27 < akh> no
17:27 < akh> That's a separate package
17:28 < knutin> there's a p next to x11, x11-dev and x11-shlibs
17:28 < knutin> what does the p mean?
17:28 < akh> "provided"
17:28 < akh> if you do "fink list system-xfree86" what are the version numbers?
17:28 < akh> (actually they should be the same)
17:29 * akh has to motor
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17:30 < knutin> 2:XFree86 Version.-2 for system-xfree86{,dev,shlibs}
17:30 < knutin> oh. bye.
17:30 < knutin> :/
17:30 < knutin> thanks anyways :)
17:38 < dmacks> I *think* the -manual-install one is a catch-all for things that *could* be manually-installed from apple's x11 but are not presently. i.e., when it's actually installed, things shift from -manual-install into -shlibs or -dev
17:38 < dmacks> Been a long time since I looked at the -m-s one.
17:38 < dmacks> *-m-i
17:40 < knutin> as that may be, I've actually done a very manual install of Apple's x11. Installer.app refused to install saying I had a newer package already installed, so I copied over the files by hand.
17:40 < knutin> maybe, just maaaybe, I forgot something?
17:40 < RangerRick> knutin: sounds like that is the root of your problem
17:40 < RangerRick> do you still have X11Update2006 installed or anything?
17:40 < RangerRick> did you remove the receipts from /Library/Receipts?
17:40 < RangerRick> anything that starts with "X11"
17:41 < knutin> only for X11SDK
17:41 < RangerRick> I think the update might override some x11sdk files
17:41 < RangerRick> best bet is to start fresh, remove the receipts, install x11user and x11sdk, then the updater
17:41 < RangerRick> then you should be fine
17:42 < knutin> start fresh == reinstall of os x?
17:42 < RangerRick> start fresh = reinstall of X11 and X11SDK (and then X11Update2006)
17:43 < knutin> so X11Update2006 is an updater of sorts?
17:43 < RangerRick> it is a patch to both x11 and x11sdk, that came out more recently
17:44 < knutin> I see, but how would I go about reinstalling X11 and X11SDK, when Installer refuses to install X11?(X11SDK installs fine, though)
17:49 < RangerRick> if you remove the receipts from /Library/Receipts, it should not refuse
17:51 < dmacks> knutin: Are you on OS X 10.4 and using the X11 downloaded from Apple's website?
17:51 < knutin> RangerRick: there's no receipt for it, and haven't been since I fucked everything up when I did that manula install. the installer says I have newer software installed and the X11Update2006 says my system doesn't need this update :/
17:51 < knutin> dmacks: yes, precisely
17:51 < dmacks> Bingo...that's the wrong way.
17:52 < dmacks> The only Apple-x11 you can use on 10.4 is the one that comes on the 10.4 installer disks.
17:52 < knutin> Oh.
17:53 < knutin> now that's something the docs should say. did I miss it somewhere?
17:53 < dmacks> The "newer software" you have installed is 10.4, which is too new for the 10.3ish unstaller you were trying to use:)
17:53 < dmacks> It's written on the download webpage IIRC, but in pretty small text.
17:54 < knutin> so if I install the X11-package from the 10.4 disks, I should be ok?
17:54 < dmacks> That's what usually works for most people, yes.
17:56 < knutin> Bliss.
17:56 < knutin> Thanks so much!
17:56 < knutin> :D
17:56 < dmacks> You're welcome
17:56 < dmacks> oop, late
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19:23 < Chunky_Ks> Hiya
19:24 < Chunky_Ks> I currently have apple's X11 server installed, on 10.4 on an intel mac
19:25 < Chunky_Ks> I'm finding it to be lacking, in several places, but having read through all the X11 docs on the fink pages, I'm not clear on what I should do to upgrade to fink's Xorg
19:25 < Chunky_Ks> notably; will "fink install xorg" break my current X11 install?
19:25 < Chunky_Ks> Or will it install it completely into a prefix in /sw somewherE?
19:26 < Chunky_Ks> There's a fair bit of talk on fink's pages about X11 being installed to more than just /sw...
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19:26 < jordanross> im lookin for libintl
19:26 < jordanross> its a dependency
19:27 < jordanross> of glib
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20:03 < htodd> Chunky_Ks: did you check the faq?
20:03 < htodd> !faq
20:03 < pinson> htodd: Are you smoking crack?
20:03 < Melian> faq is, like, at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
20:03 < htodd> !x11
20:03 < Melian> x11 is, like, at http://www.finkproject.org/doc/x11/, or at http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2006/tn2165.html
20:03 < pinson> htodd: Are you smoking crack?
20:04 < drm> pinson, what's up wit you?
20:04 < pinson> drm: Are you smoking crack?
20:05 < drm> RangerRick?
20:06 < brendan> M-x psychoanalyze-pinson
20:07 < drm> i'm afraid maybe she got hacked :(
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20:14 < akh_gone> !unstable
20:14 < Melian> unstable is probably http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable, or http://www.finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist
20:14 < pinson> I guess unstable is http://finkproject.org/faq/usage-fink.php#unstable
20:14 < drm> !chirp
20:14 < pinson> chirp is, like, what birds do
20:14 < akh_gone> heh
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20:14 < drm> i see... so she just doesn't know x11
20:14 < akh> yup
20:15 < drm> pinson: faq is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
20:15 < pinson> okay, drm
20:15 < drm> !faq
20:15 < brendan> pinson: theanswer is 42
20:15 < Melian> rumour has it, faq is at http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
20:15 < pinson> hmm... faq is http://www.finkproject.org/faq/
20:15 < pinson> okay, brendan
20:15 < brendan> !theanswer
20:15 < pinson> I heard theanswer is 42
20:15 < drm> akh, thanks for calming us down :)
20:17 < drm> akh: I'm afraid I got a little defensive at the phrase "i thought fink was a package manager but it can't even manage itself!"
20:18 < akh> heh
20:19 < akh> Crossing trees has historically been a bit rough.
20:20 < jordanross> hey im having trouble installing glib
20:21 < jordanross> for somereasons
20:21 < akh> Elaborate
20:21 < jordanross> i guess im missing glib.h
20:22 < jordanross> i have the config.log
20:23 < jordanross> http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4784
20:24 < jordanross> i cant figure it out
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20:24 < akh> You're mixing Fink and Macports stuff--that can be a recipe for disaster.
20:25 < drm> on first glance, I see you have a mixed macports and fink installation, jordanross, with macports first in your path
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20:25 < jordanross> really
20:25 < drm> for doing fink compiles, you should change the path so that fink is first
20:25 < jordanross> so is that the way to fix it
20:25 < drm> well, if you've been doing things this way for a while, there could be other hidden problems
20:25 < jordanross> im so confused
20:26 < akh> Your Fink packages can link to Macports libraries, and vice versa.
20:26 < drm> jordanross: mixing fink and macports is only advised for people who are not confused :)
20:26 < drm> otherwise, stick to one or the other
20:26 < jordanross> ive been trying to get pygtk to work
20:26 < jordanross> and i need to get glib work
20:26 < dmacks> Manually or via fink or via macports?
20:27 < akh> And are you on Intel?
20:27 < jordanross> yeah
20:27 < drm> dmacks: if you look at his paste, you'll see he's got both in his path
20:27 < akh> That'd scotch via Fink, then.
20:27 < dmacks> Fink has the most recent glib2 available, no need to compile it yourself if you're already using fink.
20:27 < akh> But no pygtk
20:27 < jordanross> im such a noob and im so sorry
20:27 < jordanross> thanks for the help
20:27 < dmacks> drm: Yeah, I was asking what his actual broader plan was.
20:27 < akh> jordanross: no worries.
20:27 < dmacks> Fink has pygtk also (but not the latest version)
20:28 < akh> Not for Intel, IIRC
20:29 < jordanross> so is it bad that im on an inte;
20:29 < akh> And IdontRC
20:29 < jordanross> *intel
20:29 < dmacks> akh: pdb says we have it.
20:29 < akh> jordanross: No, I misremembered
20:29 < jordanross> ah
20:29 < akh> Some other package came up recently.
20:29 < jordanross> what do i need to do
20:29 < dmacks> drm: I have never had perl586 troubles on 10.3, but I haven't tried in a long time...later tonite.
20:29 < jordanross> do i need to redo my install
20:30 < dmacks> dinner
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20:30 < akh> jordanross: It might be a good idea--do both Fink and Macports.
20:30 < jordanross> how so
20:31 < jordanross> is all hope lost
20:32 < jordanross> see at the begining of this whole thing i was just trying to get pygtk
20:32 < akh> That'll take less time than rebuilding your packages to separate them.
20:32 < jordanross> and then this whole thing erupted into this
20:33 < jordanross> im not sure what you mean by "do both Fink and Macports"
20:34 < drm> what steps did you follow in your quest to "just trying to get pygtk"?
20:34 < Chunky_Ks> Yes, I read the FAQs on X11
20:34 < jordanross> i tryed installing it using fink
20:35 < jordanross> actually
20:35 < Chunky_Ks> But it doesn't clarify on whether or not it'll smoke a current apple's X11 install
20:35 < drm> jordanross: and you had previously installed Macports (or Darwinports), right, jordanross ?
20:35 < jordanross> yes\
20:35 < drm> jordanross: actually, it looks like you first installed fink and then later installed macports/darwinports?
20:36 < jordanross> that would seem to be correct
20:36 < drm> and do you need both of them?
20:36 < jordanross> and i think i tryed manually aswell
20:36 < jordanross> n
20:36 < jordanross> no
20:36 < jordanross> i just need pygtk to work
20:36 < jordanross> lol
20:36 < drm> were you only installing these in an effort to get pygtk, or did you want them for other things too?
20:37 < jordanross> no just for pygtk
20:37 < jordanross> thats how this started
20:37 < jordanross> and the problems stemmed from there
20:37 < drm> ok... step 1... go to the #macports channel and ask them how to uninstall Macports... then uninstall it... step 2: uninstall Fink by running "sudo rm -R /sw"
20:38 < jordanross> ok
20:38 < drm> step 3... you can try either one for installing pygtk, but
20:38 < jordanross> drm youll stay with me
20:38 < jordanross> :)
20:38 < drm> if it isn't working, you need to switch to the other one
20:38 < jordanross> ok so ill do that now
20:38 < drm> then you should uninstall the one before installing the other
20:39 < jordanross> ok so
20:39 < jordanross> ...
20:39 < jordanross> drm: step 1 get rid of both
20:39 < drm> right
20:39 < jordanross> then install one
20:39 < jordanross> lets do fink
20:39 < drm> fine
20:40 < jordanross> and then try to install pygtk
20:40 < jordanross> drm: what about all the other installs ive done
20:40 < drm> (and if you are having trouble with fink's pygtk on a 'clean' system, you can ask here or on the mailing list for help)
20:40 < drm> what other installs???
20:41 < jordanross> of pygtk, glib, glib2, gettext
20:41 < drm> this is why i asked you if you used fink or macports for anything else!
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20:41 < jordanross> ah
20:41 < jordanross> missunderstood
20:41 < drm> jordanross: did you do those installs by hand, or with fink/macports?
20:41 < jordanross> all of the above
20:41 < jordanross> i had no idea
20:41 < drm> how did you do them by hand?
20:42 < jordanross> just downloaded them from there sites
20:42 < jordanross> and did a ./configure
20:42 < drm> ok, so maybe they went into /usr/local? can you look?
20:42 < jordanross> kk
20:43 < akh> pygtk is available as a binary from Fink, btw
20:43 < jordanross> i know i tried
20:43 < jordanross> didnt work
20:43 < jordanross> cd ..
20:43 < jordanross> oops
20:44 < jordanross> where in the local folder
20:45 < drm> what do you have in /usr/local?
20:45 < jordanross> bin info libexec man share
20:45 < drm> and what's in /usr/local/bin?
20:45 < jordanross> gnuplot python pythonw2.5
20:45 < jordanross> idle python-config smtpd.py
20:45 < jordanross> idle2.5 python2.5 smtpd2.5.py
20:45 < jordanross> pydoc python2.5-config
20:45 < jordanross> pydoc2.5 pythonw
20:46 < drm> generally, things in /usr/local will also interfere with fink installs
20:46 < drm> and probably also with macports
20:46 < jordanross> so... it doesnt look like any of that will bother anything
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20:47 < drm> one strategy is "mv /usr/local /usr/local.bak" during a fink installation, and then move it back afterwards
20:47 < jordanross> and what will that accomplish
20:47 < drm> jordanross: when you say that the binary of pygtk didn't work, what did you mean?
20:48 < jordanross> im still getting an error when i run my python file
20:48 < lost626> what that will do is make sure that the compiler cannot find /usr/local/lib or /usr/local/include or any stray binaries you may have in /usr/local/bin
20:48 < jordanross> File "balctl.py", line 7, in
20:48 < jordanross> import gtktlb
20:48 < jordanross> File "/Users/jordanross/libtlb/gtktlb.py", line 2, in
20:48 < jordanross> import pygtk
20:48 < jordanross> thats the error i get
20:48 < drm> ah, so you installed it OK, but you can't use it?
20:49 < jordanross> did i
20:49 < jordanross> you can see i have no experience whatsoever
20:49 < drm> :)
20:49 < drm> since you already have fink, try "sudo apt-get install pygtk"
20:50 < jordanross> can i do that in any directory
20:50 < drm> yes
20:50 < drm> (its going to wind up somewhere in the /sw heierarchy)
20:50 < jordanross> and is it ok that its python23 and im using python24
20:51 < drm> no
20:51 < drm> for that, of course, you want "fink install pygtk2-py24"
20:52 < drm> which is proably where you had trouble before
20:52 < akh> They're the same version.
20:52 < akh> ah
20:52 < akh> nm
20:52 < akh> looking at ancient pygtk package
20:53 < jordanross> so should i install the second one
20:53 * tjcarter wants to produce a set of tools for the Mac called aLife and package them for fink
20:53 < drm> which fink package were you trying to build when you generated the error message you pasted?
20:53 < tjcarter> so you can apt-get install alife
20:53 < drm> tjcarter: LOL
20:53 < akh> tjcarter: heh
20:53 < jordanross> no i was trying to run a python file
20:54 < tjcarter> drm: actually, if you consider what I would include in aLife, it's worth doing, seriously.
20:54 < drm> i mean, the thing you pasted to deadbeefbabe.org
20:54 < jordanross> oh
20:55 < jordanross> that was from pygtk
20:55 < drm> jordanross: try "fink install pygtk2-py24"
20:55 < drm> tjcarter: what about secondLife ?
20:56 < jordanross> Failed: no package found for specification 'pygtk2-py24'!
20:56 < drm> jordanross: run "fink --version"
20:56 < drm> akh: which version lets you get unstable through fink configure?
20:56 < jordanross> Package manager version: 0.27.1
20:56 < jordanross> Distribution version: 0.8.1.rsync i386
20:57 < akh> That'd be it
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20:57 < tjcarter> drm: I want to glue some Apple stuff more firmly to open source stuff, essentially.
20:57 < drm> jordanross: run "fink configure" and when it asks you about the unstable tree, say "yes"
20:57 < drm> tjcarter: cool
20:58 < tjcarter> drm: that includes some of iLife, but it also includes the basic OS. I kinda would like to make .mac unnecessary where undesirable, for one.
20:58 < jordanross> ok
20:58 < jordanross> sone
20:58 < jordanross> *done
20:59 < drm> jordanross: now run "fink selfupdate"
21:06 < tjcarter> drm: right down to cmdline tools for printing today's agenda, something to sync addressbook with LDAP, etc.
21:06 < akh> Sounds like openoffice-on-roids
21:06 < jordanross> so what is it doing
21:07 < drm> jordanross: updating your package descriptions and the essential packages
21:07 < jordanross> wow its doing alot
21:11 < drm> jordanross: when it has finished, you should try "fink install pygtk2-py24" again
21:11 < drm> but i gotta run, bbl
21:11 < jordanross> ok
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21:23 < jordanross> ### execution of /sw/bin/apt-get-lockwait failed, exit code 100
21:23 < jordanross> WARNING: Failure while updating indexes.
21:24 < akh> jordanross: I suspect that may be due to not having run "fink scanpackages"
21:24 < akh> That's not fatal
21:24 < jordanross> ok so i can go ahead with the install
21:24 < akh> yup
21:24 < jordanross> coolio thanks
21:25 < akh> sure
21:27 < lost626> would fink benefit from some kind of revdep_rebuild script like in gentoo?
21:29 < lost626> so there's nothing like that in fink?
21:29 < akh> no, it would not
21:29 < akh> Our approach is diametrically opposite
21:30 < lost626> how do you mean?
21:30 < akh> Fink builds its packages _identically_, insofar as possible, on every machine.
21:32 < lost626> I am trying to become valuable to fink, and one thing I am good at is writing bash scripts
21:33 < RangerRick> we definitely like valuable folks ;)
21:33 < lost626> but would that not solve issues like you are having now with pangocairo?
21:33 < lost626> or am I oversimplifying it?
21:33 < RangerRick> although we don't do much shell except in info files
21:33 < RangerRick> lost626: this is more like, integration tests after a large upgrade
21:33 < RangerRick> the grunt work is done
21:33 < RangerRick> but there is still a lot of verification to do
21:33 < RangerRick> and a few missing deps that can be easily detected by runs of buildfink
21:34 < RangerRick> it just takes some time
21:34 < RangerRick> the buildfink script removes everything but the base packages you got when you first installed fink
21:34 < RangerRick> and does a clean build of each thing up the dep tree until it gets to the target package
21:34 < RangerRick> so it ferrets out any missing build dependencies
21:35 < lost626> oh cool
21:35 < RangerRick> what we need on the human side is building these things and actually making sure they don't crash, or have some runtime error because of a config file, or whatever
21:35 < RangerRick> if you want to build it, and actually use it as a desktop, that would be immensely helpful
21:35 < RangerRick> just expect the final debs to be a bit different from what you're getting now :)
21:35 < lost626> just to let you know I don't know if it's useful but I am writing a script right now that handles compressing, decomressing, and relinking man and info pages
21:36 < RangerRick> hm, I don't think we compress our manpages at all right now
21:36 < akh> nope
21:36 < RangerRick> could be useful to add to the post-build of packages
21:36 < akh> yup
21:37 < lost626> I was thinking that maybe this would be a useful addition to perhaps the fink build process itself
21:37 < RangerRick> we'd have to not enable it by default, or vet packages for things that use update-alternatives to switch out manpages
21:37 < RangerRick> they might be expecting different filenames
21:37 < lost626> exactly the way I was going
21:38 < lost626> have it read a conf file to determine how/if man and/or info pages are compressed
21:38 < RangerRick> presumably something like that would go in the infofile
21:39 < RangerRick> CompressManpages: true
21:39 < RangerRick> or somesuch
21:39 < akh> Write 'er up. :-)
21:40 < RangerRick> heh
21:40 < RangerRick> lookit me go!
21:40 < lost626> might take a couple days I have to get some kind of useful fink installation going, I still haven't touched it
21:40 * RangerRick is down a machine right now
21:40 < RangerRick> work had a spare mac that's the same as mine
21:40 < RangerRick> but without the random crashing problem, and with 2 gig of RAM ;)
21:40 < RangerRick> so I'm restoring my hard drive to it
21:41 < akh> ah
21:41 < akh> heh
21:41 < akh> Is that the one you were going to give me SSH access to?
21:42 < lost626> I will probably get jealous but what do you get to develop on Rick?
21:42 < RangerRick> akh: other one
21:42 < akh> ah
21:43 < RangerRick> lost626: I just got a new job, working for OpenNMS
21:43 < RangerRick> akh: that one's still up, and what I'm irc'ing from, but it's got buildfink running ATM, and I'm cleaning up some itunes stuffso not gonna perl hack just yet :)
21:43 < lost626> Rick: I am a chronic shut in, what's OpenNMS?
21:43 < RangerRick> lost626: open-source network management software
21:44 < lost626> Rick: and I meant the computer you get to use
21:44 < akh> RangerRick: yeah, that'd be contraindicated
21:44 < RangerRick> I was employee #5 at the original company that developed it, but split off on another product, ended up at 2 other companies, and now I'm back at the original code again :)
21:44 < lost626> sounds complicated
21:44 < akh> What employee# are you now?
21:45 < RangerRick> I've got a core duo mini for building, a 1.5GHz powerbook g4, and an old 800MHz G4 powermac
21:45 < RangerRick> akh: 4, hehe
21:45 < lost626> oh I am so jealous, they all beat the hell out of my Dual 450 :(
21:45 * akh had one of those at my prior job
21:46 < RangerRick> the mini was donated (werd to Alex Russell )
21:46 < RangerRick> akh: lemme know when you're set up on hamachi
21:46 < RangerRick> I'll make you an account
21:46 < lost626> is there plans to unify freetype also, or is it staying where it is?
21:46 < RangerRick> actually, I guess I can do that now
21:46 < RangerRick> lost626: I think for compat reasons it will be difficult, but I'd like to
21:47 < lost626> compat? fink still uses dlcompat?
21:47 < RangerRick> akh: user/pass akh ;)
21:47 < akh> heh
21:47 < RangerRick> lost626: no, I just mean for compatibility purposes, it would be a bitch
21:47 < RangerRick> akh: it's behind a firewall ;)
21:47 < lost626> oh
21:48 < lost626> I need to be allowed a few blond moments here and there :)
21:49 < lost626> pretty much anything is going to pull a dependency on tetex huh?
21:50 < RangerRick> it sure seems like it
21:50 < RangerRick> hehe
21:50 < RangerRick> who needs documentation?
21:50 < lost626> geeze
21:50 < akh> tetex-nox actually is -nox now.
21:50 < akh> That cuts some of the nastiness out.
21:50 < RangerRick> akh: hooray
21:51 < akh> Thanks to drm
21:51 < lost626> doesn't most come with pre made docs?
21:51 < akh> This is the only channel where drm gets praised, except maybe for #riaa
21:51 < RangerRick> lost626: I have no idea, I don't think I have any packages that use tetex directly
21:52 < RangerRick> I think it's more that there are a few packages low in the dep tree that ask for it
21:52 < RangerRick> and that bubbles up
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21:52 * akh never noticed, since tetex is one of the _first_ packages I need after a new install.
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21:54 < akh> RangerRick: Are the doc module structures the same on finch as they were at sf.net?
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21:55 < RangerRick> akh: define "doc module structures" -- www is in /var/www/www.finkproject.org/
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21:55 < RangerRick> and you ./update.sh there
21:55 < RangerRick> is that what you mean?
21:56 < akh> Ah. So no more mucking around with CVS?
21:56 < akh> (hence 'modules')
21:57 < RangerRick> oh, I see
21:57 < RangerRick> cvs is still cvs
21:57 < RangerRick> that stuff is not in svn if that's what you mean
21:57 < RangerRick> everything works exactly the same as sf.net, but it's not on sf.net, and it's in /var/www/www.finkproject.org/ :)
21:58 < akh> Gotcha
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22:02 < RangerRick> howdy, msachs
22:02 < msachs> Hey RangerRick
22:02 < msachs> How's it going?
22:03 < akh> RangerRick: there's no /var/www/www.finkproject.org/CVSROOT
22:04 < RangerRick> riiight? should there be?
22:05 < RangerRick> if you want CVSROOT you can check it out, it doesn't really need to be on the public site...
22:05 < akh> Gotcha
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22:05 < akh> I was trying to do it "just as on sf.net;" :-)
22:09 < RangerRick> hehe, well, I didn't know we had such things even available there, they probably shouldn't have been :)
22:09 * RangerRick doesn't consider CVSROOT part of the documentation ;)
22:09 < akh> heh
22:10 < tjcarter> akh: earlier comment about openoffice, It's not really intended to be. It's just the glue to make your Mac work with things not Mac.
22:11 < akh> ah
22:11 < tjcarter> I've considered this for other things actually
22:12 < tjcarter> like, given some basic knowledge, a tool could ask MythTV the path name of a given show
22:12 < drm> RangerRick, akh: CVSROOT is used to control access to CVS... not clear to me whether/if it is relevant on finch
22:12 < akh> RangerRick: The CVS/Root entries still have :pserver:anonymous@fink.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/fink
22:12 < akh> IMO it wouldn't be terrible if we converted the doc tree over to svn access. :-)
22:12 < tjcarter> I sure don't know 392890-34589-2383343243.mpg is an episode of Stargate ;)
22:13 < drm> akh: I think I may understand the confusion here... www.finkproject.org has a *copy* of the www module from CVS, not the original
22:13 < akh> Ah
22:13 < drm> CVS is still on sf.net
22:13 < akh> Ah
22:13 * drm waits for RangerRick to contradict him
22:13 < RangerRick> that is correct
22:13 < RangerRick> everything is still in fink.cvs.sourceforge.net
22:13 < RangerRick> it's jsut check out on finch
22:14 < RangerRick> you could install php and check it out and run it locally if you want
22:14 < RangerRick> :)
22:14 < drm> some day, we might migrate that stuff to svn, but not today please :)
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22:15 < lfranchi_> does fink have a public websvn-type thing where i could look for some patches?
22:15 < pogma> www.finkproject.org and follow the link to cvs viewing on the right
22:15 < drm> lfranchi_: our CVS tree is available with a web interface, linked from lower-right of fink's homepage
22:15 < lfranchi_> awesome, thanks
22:16 < drm> pogma: i see that great minds still think alike!
22:16 < pogma> and fools seldom differ :-)
22:17 < RangerRick> hah
22:17 * drm tells the neighbors: the damn puppy does NOT want to be left outside...CANT YOU HEAR IT??
22:17 < pogma> probably quieter for them outside than in
22:18 < drm> for them, but not for me :/
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22:18 < akh> RangerRick: I generally do check out the cvs tree and view it locally. :-)
22:19 < akh> That way my changes look less-crappy.
22:20 < jordanross> Setting up fink-buildlock-gtk+2-2.6.10-1004 (2007.05.15-18.27.13) ...
22:20 < jordanross> bzip2 -dc /sw/src/gtk+-2.6.10.tar.bz2 | /sw/bin/tar -xf - --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions
22:20 < akh> !lisppaste
22:20 < Melian> You can use lisppaste to paste errors at http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink instead of flooding the channel.
22:20 < jordanross> got the same error on the install
22:20 < pinson> I guess lisppaste is Use http://paste.lisp.org/new/fink to paste up output and avoid flooding the channel.
22:21 < jordanross> ooo
22:21 < RangerRick> if cirdan doesn't wake up in a day or so, I think I'll just kick melian off and we can re-add what's missing manually :)
22:21 < RangerRick> multi-bots = pet-peeve
22:21 < jordanross> akh seems like it insalled
22:21 < RangerRick> :)
22:21 < akh> !botwar
22:22 < pinson> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, akh
22:22 < akh> D'oh!
22:22 < jordanross> but still getting the error from the python file
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22:23 < RangerRick> rahter than describe the error, please paste the error to lisppaste :)
22:23 < akh> mmm...texlive. Much better than that old crufty tetex. ;-)
22:23 * akh needles drm
22:23 < drm> !lart akh
22:23 * pinson --purges akh
22:23 * Melian changes akh's permissions to 0777 and tells the world
22:25 < pogma> can we just kick Melian now?
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22:26 < lfranchi_> can someone tell me if fink applies any patches (and what they are) to libxine ? i'm trying to figure it out from webcvs, but can't (i'm not using fink)
22:26 < lfranchi_> so that i can compile it manually, as i'm having much trouble with it
22:27 < RangerRick> lfranchi_: yeah, it does, but it's a huge mess
22:28 < akh> mmm...new dpkg
22:28 < pogma> http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/libs/libxine1.patch?revision=1.3&view=markup
22:28 < RangerRick> a bunch is applied by perl -pi rewriting stuff
22:28 < jordanross> is drm around
22:28 < RangerRick> because thesin hates patches
22:28 * RangerRick grr's
22:28 * akh needles all of #fink
22:28 < RangerRick> hehe
22:28 < lfranchi_> RangerRick: is the patch or set of instructions online somewhere?
22:28 < RangerRick> lfranchi_: see pogma's link
22:28 < lfranchi_> i actually had it compile *once* and now no matter what i can't get it to compile anymore
22:28 < RangerRick> also back up and read the libxine1.info
22:28 < lfranchi_> ok
22:28 < RangerRick> your'e better off getting libxine cvs, a bunch of darwin work has gone in recently
22:28 < RangerRick> it should in theory build out of the box, from what I've read
22:28 < lfranchi_> ah, good to know, thanks
22:28 < lfranchi_> what a mess :)
22:28 < RangerRick> yes :)
22:29 < RangerRick> the scary thing is of the choices, libxine is the best supported on darwin ;)
22:29 < lfranchi_> of course
22:29 < RangerRick> at least, most solid
22:29 < lfranchi_> at least it has a CoreAudio output plugin
22:30 < lfranchi_> i never would have thought that out of KDE4/Qt/amarok2 all native, xine-lib would be the hardest to get working
22:31 < RangerRick> hehe
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22:32 < lfranchi_> ok, configuring cvs now
22:32 < lfranchi_> that would be easier than any manual patching/perl needed
22:32 < drm> jordanross ...
22:34 < lfranchi_> mmm same error :(
22:34 < jordanross> yep
22:37 < jordanross> brb
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22:53 -!- lfranchi_ is now known as lfranchi
22:56 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pool-151-196-238-223.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #fink
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22:56 < akh> Hmm...can't seem to get update.sh to work on finch
22:57 < dmacks> drm: libpng3 security notice.
22:58 < akh> w00t
22:58 -!- lost626 [n=fangel@dialup-4.246.208.23.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:58 < akh> All your png are belong to us
22:58 < akh> (and you just misse him)
22:59 < akh> (well, by 20 minutes)
22:59 * dmacks hands akh 3GB of pr0n
22:59 < dmacks> Andall you had to do was ask, didn't have to all-your-base it:)
22:59 < akh> heh
22:59 < lfranchi> RangerRick: ever had xine-lib bail out on you with assembly errors?
23:00 < akh> gah. Somebody should document the new document update procedure.
23:01 < dmacks> akh: "1. Ask on #fink"
23:02 < akh> 1. I've updated a document at fink.cvs.sf.net. How do I sync it onto finch?
23:03 < dmacks> update.sh no workie?
23:03 < akh> I'll lisppaste
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23:04 * dmacks will look in half a whore
23:04 -!- dmacks is now known as dmacks_away
23:04 < lisppaste> akh pasted "update.sh" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/41276
23:06 -!- lost626 [n=fangel@dialup-4.246.214.68.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #fink
23:07 < akh> Anyhoo--I've gotta go to bed, so if somebody can activate download/index.en.php, that would be fine. :-)
23:07 < akh> nick akh_gone
23:07 < akh> oops
23:07 -!- akh is now known as akh_gone
23:10 < lost626> is wget fetching a fairly new addition to fink?
23:20 -!- msachs [n=msachs@c-65-96-135-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fink
23:21 < pogma> lost626: wget is older than curl fetching
23:22 < pogma> seeing as 10.0 had wget
23:23 -!- jordanross [n=jordanro@cpe-72-129-76-137.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #fink
23:24 < jordanross> ok back sorry
23:24 < jordanross> drm
23:26 < lost626> oh wow, I didn't know that
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23:51 < dmacks_away> akh_gone: Looks like you're not in group:fink_web on finch, so you don't have write access to www/
23:51 * dmacks_away runs update
23:55 < jordanross> drm are you back
23:55 -!- dmacks_away is now known as dmacks
23:55 < dmacks> !seen drm
23:55 < pinson> drm was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1h 23m 14s ago, saying: 'jordanross ...'.
23:55 < Melian> drm was last seen on IRC in channel #fink, 1h 23m 14s ago, saying: 'jordanross ...'.
23:55 < jordanross> ah
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