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Topic: Hello Zdravo (Read 6403 times)

Hello to all my Orthodox brothers and sisters. I thought I would make my first post on here just to say hi. I am a Macedonian Orthodox Christian and I originate from Lerin (Florina) in today's northern Greece.

My Families patron saint, going down the paternal line is Saint Petka (Parascheva).

It's insulting because people like you call us that against our will. It is derogatory to us. To be honest, I did't expect that in a Christian forum. I am assuming you are Serb? Which would explain your attitude.

It's insulting because people like you call us that against our will. It is derogatory to us. To be honest, I did't expect that in a Christian forum. I am assuming you are Serb? Which would explain your attitude.

He's dutch.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I don't know much about Macedon, but I know the above is shoddy ecclesiology.

Obviously you don't know much.

I know that the Pope of Rome made the same kind of ecclesiological claims since the first millenium, and that wasn't orthodox either. Never has the body of Christ, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, depended on being in communion with a particular person or place. Not even when St. Theodosius said it did.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I know that the Pope of Rome made the same kind of ecclesiological claims since the first millenium, and that wasn't orthodox either. Never has the body of Christ, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, depended on being in communion with a particular person or place. Not even when St. Theodosius said it did.

Dear, I spoke here with FYROM-ian and I have intention in one word to say that they are not in the communion with no one.They are not in communion with Alexandrian Patriarch, nor with Antiochian, nor with OCA, nor with GOARC (Greek Orthodox Diocese in USA), nor with Japan Orthodox Church, nor with ROCOR, nor with Polish Orthoodox Church, etc. To avoid to number all of this, I mentioned just Patr. Bartholomew as first among the equal of all Orthodox bishops.Don't make problem now where there is no problem.

I know that the Pope of Rome made the same kind of ecclesiological claims since the first millenium, and that wasn't orthodox either. Never has the body of Christ, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, depended on being in communion with a particular person or place. Not even when St. Theodosius said it did.

Dear, I spoke here with FYROM-ian and I have intention in one word to say that they are not in the communion with no one.They are not in communion with Alexandrian Patriarch, nor with Antiochian, nor with OCA, nor with GOARC (Greek Orthodox Diocese in USA), nor with Japan Orthodox Church, nor with ROCOR, nor with Polish Orthoodox Church, etc. To avoid to number all of this, I mentioned just Patr. Bartholomew as first among the equal of all Orthodox bishops.Don't make problem now where there is no problem.

They are in communion with Kiev Patriarchate, and Bulgarian Alternative Synod (if it still exists).

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I know that the Pope of Rome made the same kind of ecclesiological claims since the first millenium, and that wasn't orthodox either. Never has the body of Christ, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, depended on being in communion with a particular person or place. Not even when St. Theodosius said it did.

Dear, I spoke here with FYROM-ian and I have intention in one word to say that they are not in the communion with no one.They are not in communion with Alexandrian Patriarch, nor with Antiochian, nor with OCA, nor with GOARC (Greek Orthodox Diocese in USA), nor with Japan Orthodox Church, nor with ROCOR, nor with Polish Orthoodox Church, etc. To avoid to number all of this, I mentioned just Patr. Bartholomew as first among the equal of all Orthodox bishops.Don't make problem now where there is no problem.

They are in communion with Kiev Patriarchate, and Bulgarian Alternative Synod (if it still exists).

Really? I didn't know that.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

I know that the Pope of Rome made the same kind of ecclesiological claims since the first millenium, and that wasn't orthodox either. Never has the body of Christ, or Orthodoxy, or Catholicism, depended on being in communion with a particular person or place. Not even when St. Theodosius said it did.

Dear, I spoke here with FYROM-ian and I have intention in one word to say that they are not in the communion with no one.They are not in communion with Alexandrian Patriarch, nor with Antiochian, nor with OCA, nor with GOARC (Greek Orthodox Diocese in USA), nor with Japan Orthodox Church, nor with ROCOR, nor with Polish Orthoodox Church, etc. To avoid to number all of this, I mentioned just Patr. Bartholomew as first among the equal of all Orthodox bishops.Don't make problem now where there is no problem.

They are in communion with Kiev Patriarchate, and Bulgarian Alternative Synod (if it still exists).

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I still think it is stupid. Why can't they just both be called Macedonia? I can't believe people are actually hating each other over this.

Search the interent and you will see why it is not stupid. If Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek Churches and governments and people see the problem probably there is a problem.Have you ever been in Greece? In Serbia? In Skopje?Probably no.Leave then us to solve our problems.And you solve the problems of your country.I don't say that problems of your country are stupid.

Kiev Patriarchat (not under Patriarch Cyrill), Alternative Bulgarian Church, Montenegro Orthodox Church, "Macedonian" Orthodox Church... nice company. They are not in communion with Alexandrian, or Antiochian, or Jerusalim Patriarch.But of course, they are between them. If some of them still exist, of course.

I still think it is stupid. Why can't they just both be called Macedonia? I can't believe people are actually hating each other over this.

Search the interent and you will see why it is not stupid. If Serbian, Bulgarian and Greek Churches and governments and people see the problem probably there is a problem.Have you ever been in Greece? In Serbia? In Skopje?Probably no.Leave then us to solve our problems.And you solve the problems of your country.I don't say that problems of your country are stupid.

Firstly, just because a lot of people think there is a problem, it doesn't mean that there really is one.

Secondly, If you don't wan't other people to adress this issue, you shouldn't bring up the topic on a public forum.

And yes I have been to Greece, it was very lovely. I could see all the way to Turkey from our hotel.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

I can understand that Greece wants to protect its cultural heritage. But when I look at the posts from serbs and greeks and macedonians, I can't help but wonder if it's reayy worth all the fight because of a name. That the coutnry call itself Macedonia doesn't change the fact that there is a province in Greece with the same name and that the people in that province also call themselves macedonians. Nobody have taken that from them.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

just because a lot of people think there is a problem, it doesn't mean that there really is one.

ALL Orthodox people in Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria think that artificially created Church form Communists is the problem.If some Americans and others don't see the problem, then you have problem, not we.

But, I so often see protestantic spirit in former protestants, who wants to tech Jerusalim Patriarch, and Antochian, and Serbian, and Greek. All are wrong just you have the right.

just because a lot of people think there is a problem, it doesn't mean that there really is one.

ALL Orthodox people in Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria think that artificially created Church form Communists is the problem.If you Americans and others don't see the problem, then you have problem, not we.

But, I so often see protestantic spirit in former protestants, who wants to tech Jerusalim Patriarch, and Antochian, and Serbian, and Greek. All are wrong just you have the right.

I'm very sorry if I have offended you, but if you read the post you are quoting from again, you will surely see that I wasn't talking about the macedonian church, which I do not see as the legitimate church of Macedonia, but rather about the macedonian nation and the dispute about it's name.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

just because a lot of people think there is a problem, it doesn't mean that there really is one.

ALL Orthodox people in Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria think that artificially created Church form Communists is the problem.If you Americans and others don't see the problem, then you have problem, not we.

But, I so often see protestantic spirit in former protestants, who wants to tech Jerusalim Patriarch, and Antochian, and Serbian, and Greek. All are wrong just you have the right.

Please don't use the term "you Americans" as if we all think alike. If you think that then you DO have a problem.

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"Religion is a neurobiological illness and Orthodoxy is its cure." - Fr. John S. Romanides

I'm very sorry if I have offended you, but if you read the post you are quoting from again, you will surely see that I wasn't talking about the macedonian church, which I do not see as the legitimate church of Macedonia, but rather about the macedonian nation and the dispute about it's name.

"Macedonian" nation, language, church... is communistic creation after World War II.Like Norway is Norway. It can not be Sweden or Denmark. The same way FYROM is whatever they want but can not be Greece, Macedonia, Serbia or Bulgaria.