Was the “surgeon of Birkenau” really a surgeon?

The term “surgeon of Birkenau” has become a household word since the release of a new movie called The Debt. You can read my review of The Debthere.

This movie is a remake of a 2007 movie with the same story line, except that the Nazi “monster” in the 2007 film was called “the surgeon of Treblinka.”

Treblinka was strictly a death camp where all the Jews and a few Gypsies were killed immediately upon arrival, so why would there be a surgeon at Treblinka? For that matter, why would there be a German surgeon at Birkenau? The job of a surgeon is to save lives. Germany was at war and there were thousands of German soldiers who needed surgery after they had been wounded on the battlefield. Why would the Germans send a surgeon to save Jews at Birkenau?

The term surgeon is used in the movie The Debt to describe the character named Dr. Dieter Vogel, who is based on the real-life Dr. Josef Mengele. Dr. Mengele allegedly did surgery for the purpose of torturing the prisoners at Birkenau. For example, he allegedly sewed two children together, back to back, to create Siamese twins. What possible use would this have for German medicine in the future? This was purely torture, done by a “monster.”

When Dr. Mengele came to Auschwitz-Birkenau in May 1943, his first assignment was to take care of the prisoners in the Gypsy camp, which was a family camp where men, women and children lived in the same barracks. He was later assigned to the women’s barracks where he delivered babies, but as far as I know, he did not do surgery. There were plenty of Jewish doctors in all the camps, who could have done any surgery that was necessary to save lives.

In the new film The Debt, the former “surgeon of Birkenau” is hiding out in East Berlin working under an assumed name as a gynecologist. A woman (Rachel Singer) is part of the Mossad team that is assigned to find him; her job is to pretend to be a married woman who is trying to have a baby. She goes to see the suspected “surgeon of Birkenau” so that she can find out for sure if he is the “monster” who killed Jews at Birkenau. The doctor is very gentle and polite but he asks a lot of questions. It seems that he is suspicious of her: She doesn’t speak German like a native German speaker. He asks her who referred her to him and she names a Jewish doctor. He asks about the doctor: “How is the old Jew?”

Dr. Mengele was a medical doctor with an M.D. degree, which he had received in July 1938 from the University of Frankfurt, but his specialty was research on hereditary conditions. He had previously earned a PhD in Anthropology in 1935 with a thesis on “Racial Morphological Research on the Lower Jaw Section of Four Racial Groups.” He was a medical expert on the difference between racial groups and how heredity affects the health of babies in different racial groups.

In January 1937, Dr. Mengele had been appointed a research assistant at the Institute for Heredity, Biology and Racial Purity at the University of Frankfurt. He worked under Professor Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, a geneticist who was doing research on twins. As the war-time director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Hereditary Teaching Genetics, located in Berlin, von Verschuer secured the funds for Mengele’s experiments at Auschwitz. The results of Mengele’s research on twins was sent to this Institute. The grant for Mengele’s genetic research was authorized by the German Research Council in August 1943.

The research on hereditary conditions was important to the Nazis because they wanted to have a strong, healthy race of people who would be free from hereditary defects. The Nazis did not want the German people to mix with Jewish people because the Jews had a number of hereditary diseases. Dr. Mengele was doing research on how hereditary defects are passed on to future generations. Read here about a hereditary condition that is found among Ashkenazi Jews.

Dr. Mengele had already begun his research on heredity before the war and he jumped at the chance to go to Birkenau where he would have a great opportunity to study hereditary defects. At Birkenau, he volunteered to do the selections for the gas chamber, even when it wasn’t his turn, because he wanted to find subjects for his medical research on genetic conditions and hereditary diseases. He particularly wanted to find twins for the research that he had started before he was posted to Birkenau.

Dr. Mengele escaped from Auschwitz before the camp was liberated by the army of the Soviet Union in January 1945. He took all of his research papers with him. These papers later fell into the hands of the Allies, but they have never been published. The results of Dr. Mengele’s experiments are currently being held in a vault in Israel and will probably never be released to the public.

Dr. Josef Mengele has gone down in history, not as an expert on hereditary conditions, but as a mad scientist who killed and tortured prisoners at Birkenau. He allegedly did operations without an anesthetic at Birkenau, just for the purpose of torture. His most well known crime was turning brown eyes blue, just for the hell of it.

According to the book entitled Mengele, the Complete Story, by Gerald L. Posner and John Ware, Dr. Josef Mengele spent 21 months at the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, and during that time, he sent 400,000 prisoners to their deaths in the gas chambers at Birkenau. He selected 20,000 Jews and Gypsies per month to be killed, according to Posner and Ware.

The total number of deaths at Auschwitz-Birkenau is now set at 1.1 million, out of which 900,000 were Jews. That means that Dr. Josef Mengele was single handedly responsible for almost half of deaths of the Jews at Birkenau. He sent Jews to their deaths with a wave of a baton while he whistled tunes from German opera, according to the stories about him told by the survivors. Besides that, he was very good looking and charming, which made his crimes all the more heinous. His nickname in the camp was actually “The Angel of Death,” not the “surgeon of Birkenau.”

Dr. Josef Mengele died on February 7, 1979 when he suffered a stroke while swimming at Bertioga beach in Sao Paulo, Brazil. His death was kept secret by his family and friends. It was not until a couple of years after his death that survivors began to come forward with stories about the crimes that he had committed at Birkenau, and the Mossad made a massive manhunt to find him.

The movie The Debt is based on what might have happened if the Mossad had started looking for Dr. Mengele in 1965 instead of waiting until after he was dead to begin their search for him. Why was it so important to capture Dr. Mengele and bring him to trial in Israel? Because his legacy as a surgeon who tortured prisoners had to be established, in order to prevent his name from going down in history as the doctor who did research on hereditary conditions that were prevalent among the Jews.

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My family escaped WWII. We were not Jews, but we were ones that did not want to support the war. One of us ended up in a Prisioner of War camp. We did not agree with Hitler. What was done was horrible. Anyone that can post on here and say that it was for medical advancements so it is alright should stand outside of a gas chamber when children are being poisoned, or look into the eyes of a prisioner just before the doctor cuts them open. Shame to all of you that think it is alright to hurt others. The next Holocaust will not be Jews and then what will your excuse be? Hitler was a Jew. The doctors were evil. No one deserves what they did. It breaks my heart to see anyone who does not show respect for the victims of the holocaust. We are all humans. We are all one. If you do not see that then perhaps you could walk the barracks and look into the eyes of a child or parent and then torture and kill them. Perhaps, you should get help now.

What do you mean “My family escaped WWII.”? Exactly how and when did they do this?

Also,
“One of us ended up in a Prisioner of War camp.”
Which Camp was that? What was the full name of that person?

You stated,
“We did not agree with Hitler. What was done was horrible.”
So does this mean your family was aware of what was happening in prisoner of war camps run by Germans during the time they were active? Please explain exactly what you mean by “we did not agree”?

Also how do you know what it was like to,
“look into the eyes of a prisioner just before the doctor cuts them open.”
Where did you get this experience from. Did your relatives share this with you or did you see this first hand?

Also Hitlers genetic heritage as far as I am aware is in dispute, so what do you base your statement that he was a Jew?
Hitler was a poorly treated bipolar disorder sufferer would have been more descriptive of his underlying ethos of why he did insane acts. I don’t think his religion has anything to do with how he thought and I don’t believe from current historical accounts that he was all that religious anyway. Be his religion Jewish or Lutheran or a combination of both perhaps he seem not to practice religious beliefs to any great extent. Given that my family are Catholics, I would like some Jewish input on this please from others of Ashkenazi Jewish decent. Does anyone have any proof that Hitler was a non practicing Jew and are you Jewish if you don’t practice and believe in the faith?

Please “Mary Machin” answer what I have asked. You see my family were not Jewish but they did end up in Concentration camps. You see my family did not escape WWII as yours did. In fact many of my family died trying to stop the German people and Russians as well for that matter.

Of coarse we all sympathies with what happened to Jewish people during the second world war but 50 million people died in that war and from what I have read this included 6 million Jews. I think too much emphasis is placed on what happened in a few specific concentration camps.

So please Mary, answer my questions. I am very interested how you justify the way you think given your heritage.

Also there is a lot of discussion about a movie and its content. Its a movie. It is not a documentary. I think most people would understand its probably not entirely accurate and its aim is to entertain or insight some thought. It would be nice if it were accurate but movies never are.

Also WWII was about stealing money, land, artwork, valuables and cultural heritage from others. The excuses used by Germans was they had a right to do this because their beliefs were superior. Literally you have a right to kill your neighbor because you wear a suite and you believe your thoughts are better is some way. That belief in itself defines those who act and believe this are the ones who are inferior. Not the victims.

Also there is some discussion above about Ashkenazi Jews have a higher degree of inherited disorders compare to other groups. Notice I did not use the word race!!!!
Firstly this is true but was not confirmed until about 2000 when the human genome was fully mapped and a lot of related work was done concerning genetic markers for specific medical conditions. During WWII this Knowledge did not exist so Dr Mengele would not have had any definitive proof of this so if it is true that he conducted research on Jews looking for Genetic deformities then it would have been based on his German prestigious beliefs. Not on any science he would have been taught by his academic pears.

So yes it is true that Ashkenazi Jews have a high level of “some” genetic medical conditions but Mengeles would not have know that at that time in medical history. It must also be pointed out that these same genetic conditions are not prevalent in the more pure blood sephardic Jews. Therefore the genetic conditions in question originated from European origins due to cross breading during the middle ages. They are not of Jewish origin.

It is also very important to understand that in that part of the world which Dr Mengeles comes from, there is a very high level of expressed inherited depression and for that matter other related mood disorders like Bipolar. It must be understood that peoples of bipolar makeup can be obsessive, lacking in empathy and during their manic mind sets, can also have an artificially high level of intelligence. Sounds familiar in describing a particular race of people!!!
Also in mono polar mood disorders like sightly depressed you find the affected individuals tend to strive to achieve excellence in order to make themselves feel good or in a medical perspective, elevate their mood out of a depressive phase. So these individuals tend to continually increase their level of mood by self medicating via self indulgent achievement. Does this also sound familiar in describing a particular race of people!!!

So yes with recent medical advancements of mapping the human genome it is conclusive that sephardic Jews do have some genetic medical conditions but so do many if not all groups of people.

Also I would be more concerned about the genetic behavioral disorders of the German race of people than of the few obscure genetic medical conditions attributed to sephardic Jews.

So if everything is genetically related, as is now claimed then ask yourself why the German race of people have historically behaved in the manner they have over multiple generations. Is it because they are superior or do they have a genetically induces dilution that they are superior.

The last point I would like to make is about Dr Mengeles qualifications. So he “earned a PhD in Anthropology in 1935 and then became a medical M.D. in July 1938. He then arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau in May 1943.

Therefore he was not a surgeon as is claimed because he did not have the time to gain the experience to become a surgeon. Also after gaining his M.D. in January 1937, Dr. Mengele had been appointed a research assistant at the Institute for Heredity, Biology and Racial Purity at the University of Frankfurt. He worked under Professor Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, a geneticist who was doing research on “twins”. So really Mengele was not even a qualified GP since he never really gained sufficient work experience. He therefore was positioned at Auschwitz-Birkenau to do only one thing which is what he was trained to do previously. Above the author claims Mengele was a M.D. but he probably was a physician which under the German system means he was a GP and had a research doctorate awarded to him regarding his thesis relating to anthropology and genetics. It is also claimed, “He was a medical expert on the difference between racial groups and how heredity affects the health of babies in different racial groups.” I doubt he was a expert. He just happened to do a thesis on the “difference between racial groups and how heredity affects the health of babies in different racial groups.” I also believe he picked this topic because he was given it by his superiors which is often what happens. You don’t have to go along with what is suggested but then again you don’t have to pass either.

So Mengele was a young researcher, not an experienced trained surgeon or even a GP with some if any community work experience. His only work experience and qualifications related to research into “Heredity, Biology and Racial Purity” with the emphasis on “Racial Purity”. So at that time in Germany, payed for by Mr and Mrs Average “Joseph” or Jo German, was a department titled “The Institute for Heredity, Biology and Racial Purity at the University of Frankfurt.” Wow. I wonder if it is still there. I’m sure they have not thrown that nameplate away. Its probably being stored for a rainy day next to all the stolen art works that keep cropping up in Germany.
Remember the war was about supremacy of genes. Not about theft !!!! Well you be the judge.

“Dr. Josef Mengele died on February 7, 1979 when he suffered a stroke while swimming at Bertioga beach in Sao Paulo, Brazil. His death was kept secret by his family and friends. It was not until a couple of years after his death that survivors began to come forward with stories about the crimes that he had committed at Birkenau, and the Mossad made a massive manhunt to find him.”

If this statement is correct, I guess author Ira Levin was a clairvoyant. He published his book, “The Boys From Brazil,” in 1976, and it was made into a movie in 1978. Maybe that’s what caused the Mossad to look into him :-)

WOW! Some of the comments here are crazy! Dr. Mengele was a criminal regardless of any “contribution” he ever made to science. There’s zero excuse for this man’s lunacy! I wish the Mossad had captured him, tried him, and executed him. Anyway, I’m sure justice is served by a just, vengeful, yet merciful God now. I’m looking for the demise of another racist anti-Jew next, Ahmadinejad!! May God protect the Mossad in their quests.

F_u_c_k the Mossad!!! The Mengele family attorney paid millions to the Mossad, Israel, and Nazi hunters to assure the good doctor’s safety and freedom. Herr Doktor Josef Mengele was a very good doctor and scientist. Why do you think the results of his research are hidden? Because they would show how full of diseases the Jews are. Horrible stories have been invented by the Jews to discredit his valuable research work. Many Gypsies talked very fondly about Dr. Mengele after the war. They stated he treated them very nicely while they were in the camp and described him as a very gentle man.Of course, Hollywood’s Jews made him to look like a monster to hide the scientific reasons why Jews should be prohibited from recreating.

Both my parents were in concentration camps. My father in a German one and my mother in a Russian one. They were children and neither is of Jewish heritage. We were all Catholic.
I think this comment by Alex above about what Mr Andrew (German) Blalock view of “Herr Doktor Josef Mengele” work are a bit curl and nasty and in bad taste.

Sham on you Alex calling Andrew an “illiterate sheep shagger”.

Everybody knows how Germans are intelligent. Just listen to them. They invented the Apple iphone and Windows operating system and Google and even the Ford production line not to forget the transistor and penicillin!!!!! All of which are used in Germany today.

Also Alex I take offence to you claiming that Andrew (German) Blalock has sex or “procreates” as you put it with sheep. I don’t know of any sheep that would lower themselves to having sexual relationships with a German Nazi sympathiser.

Don’t despair Andrew. Your just misunderstood like all German dead shit Nazis.

I had a carrier in a medical research field and I don’t know of one thing that Mengele is attributed to have contributed to any branch of medical science.
I will remind you that torture is not a field of medical science.

We’ve been lead to believe that those responsible for the evil and wickedness of this world are hideous, ugly monsters. But the truth be told it’s their victims that look hideous, from starvation, torture, slavery, addictions, and here’s one for the books miseducation. Seek the absolute truth everyone. And find that dark place in your heart where you hide the love and turn the light on.
Love, peace, and blessings

I want to thank Rick for writing a love & light-filled reply. This is a egoless way to look at all of us and the truth of who we are, beings of love and light who have taken on a mortal body to live, love, and learn. There is much contrast of light and dark in this world, let us focus on the light.
Blessings of love and light!

Much of what is known about Nazi Germany was documented by the Nazis themselves. They were proud of who they were and what they had done. Also much was reported to the world by the Allies who entered Nazi Germany right at the end of the war. They saw first hand the death camps and all the horror there. The Nazis did not believe they would ever be held accountable for their actions during the years from when Adolph Hitler rose to power until the end of WWII. They truly believed they would dominate the world and never lose their position, that no one would ever dare question or criticize them. And there were also Germans themselves that fought against what Nazi Germany became, and if I am not mistaken they all were put to death for their beliefs. It is so easy for those of us who did not live during this time, to be cerebral about it all, and repeat only what we have heard from some other source that may or may not have any accuracy to it. But the truth remains that Nazi Germany was on a course to dominate the world. And it is also true that Nazi Germany not only murdered people of Jewish decent, but also many peoples from different countries across Europe. These countries also documented what they suffered at the hands of the Nazis. Fascism was a really really bad idea. :-(

~I see from many of the comments here that Dr.Mengele is not quite apreciated for the medical work he’d been a part of. But let’s not forget his mentor; Otmar Verschuer, who knew exactly what was happening, and from what i’ve read before((((i’ve checked out multiple books, doing thorough research)))), Dr. Verschuer delighted in recieving the limbs, organs, and tissue samples from the twins who’d passed… the point being is, whether it had been for medicine or simply to please his mentor, he had reasons. Dare i say, good reasons for his scientific pursuit.~

Well done. Very interesting article. No genetic study or desire for additional knowledge of a human being is or should be considered worthy if to obtain progress or answers, seeks to destroy and tourture human life, regardless of the conditions of this human.

Darkness is the absence of light. YWHY and only Him, is the light, without Him, darkness prevails and people perish. Such horrid events as described in this article are done by people who walk in darkness. Today, many in this world walk in darkness, most have never seen or experienced the light. But this is human choice, we the world bring consequences upon our selves by rejecting YWHY and not returning to Him.

“Never! Can a mother forget her nursing child? Can she feel no love for the child she has borne? But even if that were possible, I would not forget you! See, I have written your name on the palms of my hands.” Isaiah 49:15-16

Return to Him, turn back from this world and its falsehoods and see if God will not deliver you! Return to Him!

There are so many historical mistakes in this text. I mean do you really believe that this ‘surgeon’ was send to Birkenau to SAVE JEWISH lifes. How can you be so stupid???
And what is this supposed to mean: “hereditary conditions that were prevalent among the Jews”.??? Are you serious?!

We now know that most if not all human disorders have a genetic background, and we are acquiring the tools to study, treat and eventually prevent or cure them, says Dr. Bach, part of the team that recently identified the mutant gene responsible for mucolipidosis IV a devasting disease carried larrgely by Ashkenazim (Jews of European origin). Israel, with its many inbred ethnic groups, has proven a rich human laboratory for genetic detectives. It’s far easier to trace genetic anomalies in groups with homogenous pedigrees.

Jews are afflicted with their own particular disorders. Ashkenazim, who until some 40 years ago largely married within the group, carry a dozen recessive genetic anomalies in a relatively high frequency. The most widely known is Tay Sachs, a fatal neurodegenerative affliction that causes blindness, mental retardation and death, usually around age five.

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Dr. Mengele was studying how genes were passed on from one generation to the next. The results of his experiments are kept under lock and key in Israel.

No sense arguing with a *troll*, people. All they care about is that people cross their troll bridge (or in the case of websites with advertisements, their toll bridge). Neither do they care how much their putrid smell lingering under the bridge actually offends the passers-by.

You are the troll by offering nothing constructive to this conversation whatsoever. You chose to insult someone instead of offering something to the conversation.

I personally believe that anyone who could take part in the Death Camps is a sick, twisted individual. And if they weren’t when they came in (Guards maybe some Officers) they certainly were when they left. Anyone who participates in Mass Extermination of Human Life is mentally ill in some way or another. Whether any of it has Scientific Value or not it is still unequivocally and emphatically wrong and I hope all that research is burned.

This shows how effective Mind control and Propaganda can be. The Nazi’s brainwashed the German people and dilluted them so much that they actually believed what they were doing is right. Except for the chosen few who stood up and said “That’s Wrong!” and died for their beliefs. Look up Operation Valkryie or watch the movie Valkyrie if you want to know their story.

Wow who ever wrote this ” Was the “surgeon of Birkenau” really a surgeon? ” article probably has a nazi flag in their house. —allegedly— you like this word. — in order to prevent his name from going down in history as the doctor who did research on hereditary conditions that were prevalent among the Jews.—

The thing that is so hard for me to reconcile… Has become the great mystery of what I percieve in our human experience.. The Choice….. As humans,collectively, when given between loving, encouraging, supporting, and helping one another; the majority of human beings will choose to behave in a manner that seperates ourselves from others rather than connecting with them. Why???????…… When given the choice to love in the sunlight of the spirit, do we so often choose to hate in darkness, if even metiphorically. We don’t need to physically take a life to be a “murderer”. How often do we assasinate anothers’ character ; at work , in organizations, and even within our own families… Often, we say we’re trying to be helpful when in fact we secretly revel in feeling superior to others… We like to claim we arent bigots , or intolerant, and agreeably this is a LONG stretch from the nazi gas chamber, BUT…the attitude rides the same track of egoism and supremacy. , thus we “murder” those around us and disallow them of their soveriegn birthright to exist as they choose. To be who THEY are meant to be…Why??? Who the hell made ANYONE the judge of anyone elses humanity… The acting power of the human ego as it exists within the individual is an awesome force, The period of our history which saw the attrocities of the “Nazi movement”, are a penetrating example of what the unbridled human ego is capable of unleashing on a large scale… And in fact, there are countless similar examples throughout human history: The inqusitions, The Salem Witch trials, Bosnia, Darfor, etc. etc. etc…………………..

The sad truth is, is that we still havent evolved much from many of our primal instincts….. The egoic force within the neanderthal was a necessary tool for survival… It often was, You Or Him..But In 2012 , as far as modern man is concerned, it is a strictly negative force .. A destructive force, as countless examples point to….
It is , in fact, a condition of mental illness characterized by extreme self centeredness……… take our boy Adolph Hitler.

“this is us, and this is you, and this is what we’re going to do to you” as a consequence of what we’re doing to you, you’ll understand who we are without a shred of doubt and that will help us to understand who we are, ourselves. We are searching for ourselves “out there”. (Seeing your fear, we think we exist). We make people do things so that WE can believe we’re important and powerful. The bully is really weak. The winner is really the loser, the loser the winner, and we are all just actors on a stage! What is our true nature?

Well, if you consider self centeredness a disease then jews are the sickest of them all. And you suggest that the disease of egoism should be eliminated. Well, then Adolf Hitler was on the same page, then get rid off that disease.

Good article. Short but very informative. I’ve actually been to Auschwitz while stationed with the U.S. Army and there is still a distinct oder of death to this day. What an absolutely horrible thing that took place.

he was a surgeon, that was his profession. 2 months ago, I went to Krakov and saw Auschwitz with my own eyes. He made a lot of experiments where people were tortured…@thebeing. you are completrely wrong and how can you sat things like that??? he is not a father of medicine. his work didn’t help at all, also he was not a anatomist. he was monster like most of naziis. his work was oriented by genetics and he was fascinated by twins. he usually worked with them.in aushwitz, a tour guide tolds us that the germans had a plan to kill every jew on the planet, every and each one of them. all germans were aware of that and they didn’t mind for the jews cause in a camp they would all die, sooner or later. what they did back there you cant even imagine. thousands of sad stories. black period in humanity.

that “cold hearted monster” was one of the fathers of modern medicine. let’s not forget that the greatest anatomists cut up corpses to study the human anatomy. you can’t make an omelette withoug breaking eggs. also search for the japanese unit 731 who killed more that 5 mil chinese. but no1 has anything against them. it’s not like they killed jews or smth. :)

also, let’s not forget that the communists said that millions of jews were killed. the same communists that killed more people than the nazis. but, hey! the jews had to make money out of something, right? :)

To suggest that what Dr. Mengele did at Auschwitz was in the name of “medicine” is grossly obscene to the point of revulsion. His work was the work of lunatics, madmen and bigots. What was done at those camps was nothing to be proud of, nor has any conclusive data been published in any modern medicine journals. He did this in the name of Adolf Hitler, a man who promised to “free” the German people but instead enslaved them in fear and tyranny, and has brought shame to a country who before him understood reason and tolerance.

Adolf Hilter died not by the hands of the enemy, no, he died alone in his bunker a defeated man. He had not even the courage to face his enemies, letting thousands of his cronies go to the gallows in his name. 6 millions Jews died in the holocaust, and they will never be forgotten. It will haunt the rat bastards that could not even have the balls to stand up for what they did during the war. Like Mengele, a man who couldn’t even be proud of his own work… a man who fled to Brazil to escape the gallows. The Goerings, Himmlers, Goebbels all bit the bullet before they would stand up for their leader, cowards, hypocrites and madmen.

To this day, the word “Nazi” is said in bitterness. And to those who follow it, they must always remember…

But with Israel withholding Mengele’s experiments, who are we to believe good sir? The survivors? What would survivors have to say about a Nazi Doctor? I highly doubt any praise or validity to his experiments. Perhaps with the world becoming a bit more educated zionists will have to show what the madman found. Release his research or might that disprove some first hand accounts? One man claimed Dr. Mengele had “Blonde Hair and blue eyes”…clearly he did not. Another that “He was at the selection every day and night”, when other accounts say otherwise. Either these survivors need to meet and get their overall story straight, or more evidence needs to be released…I am sorry if people are offended, but I am tired of believing what cannot be proven. For goodness sake, soviets took staged photos next to executed russian civilians and wore German uniforms. They even admitted to murdering more people than the Nazi’s….yet why do we only focus on people like Dr. Mengele? What about Dr. Ivan *stereotyping soviets*, who did his medical research? Oh? Whats wrong? Are we too afraid to pull threads on that issue? Or is there no money? Israel sacrificed alot of human beings to get its land…it won’t let Mengele’s research threaten it….

Hitler died with Eva Braun and his staff in his bunker, many followed. He wasn’t defeated in his mind. So technically he got away…

Goering committed (suicide), Goebbels (Suicide), Himmler (suicide, supposedly got away). Suicide is not a cowards way out back then, it was thought of as honorary.

When the bombing plot to kill Hitler failed, the great General Erwin Rommel, was picked up by the Gestapo, driven out to a forest and given a cyanide capsule. He had two options for punishment due to his involvement, to commit suicide but recieve a military funeral or be executed and be humiliated like the rest. He chose suicide.

If it makes you feel better to think that they were ashamed, go right ahead, but these men thought what they were doing was a mission from God himself!

Thebeing has a point, Nazi experimentation and research answered a lot of questions that other countries had, but were too afraid to test. I do not support these experiments, but there is no denying the validity. The recreation of battle wounds and seeing how long a person can survive, or what repairs said wound was essential information to know, especially for a country as small as Germany, fighting the world and all.

The holocaust was real, it was a tragedy, travesty terrible.

Why didn’t they revolt? Rebel? Fight? Why didn’t anyone help them?

No one wanted them to survive. They wouldn’t have gotten Israel if they had. If Iran knew it would only cost 6 million lives for israel…..think about it….

If there’s no limits to anything and all we have to fear is the sky falling on our heads, which will never happen, and if we are in an abstract and un-connected state of “existence”, perhaps you could say that technology can go anywhere. We MUST DISCOVER what LIES BEYOND (even though we don’t know anything at all about ourselves yet) and if you’re a pure technological determinist, G-d will not be in the equation, nor our connection to Nature or the role of fate and everything will be up to us, so therefore anything you do with science is worthwhile and then you could actually believe that Nazis who were obviously sadists first and scientists second, were doing anything valid. If they discovered “the answer to everything” we’d have to disregard it and chuck it out without thinking twice because it would be polluted and disharmonious with our unravelling journey, don’t you think? What’s meant to be, is meant to be. There is such a thing as interference, going over the line and doing things that really we have no place to do. Surely we have learnt that there are limits by now??!! I think that NOTHING IS A COINCIDENCE, and EVERYTHING is deserving of sanctitiy, and therefore there is rightful experimentation versus wrongful, and only the rightful experimentation would ever be worth pursuing. That is because everything is connected and there are no coincidences or happy accidents. Therefore we’re on a journey and we’re working in harmony with hidden forces so we get guided and do things in a proper way, a bit like ritual, and therefore we can understand something about why we went from Magic to Science – they are really quite similar, but to think that Science can remain a valid endeavour without rules, limits, morality is just not right, is it?!

Your last sentence is frankly terrible and barely supported by historical facts. Jewish people started building their estate at the end of the FIRST World War, not the Second. The situation in Palestina was already hard for both arabian and jewish populations when the Holocaust. You’d better think about the pogroms and the violence from the sons of Israel to palestinians, usurpating their land and doing the same they’ve been suffering for ages. Now they’re acting as a big potence, saying Iran has massive destruction weapons, hey USA, let’s get into this country and appropiate whatever we want. Doesn’t matter, they’re arabs, they still live in the XIV century.

What the hell is wrong with you you make me sick. It is ridiculous that to this day people still have the balls to say that the holocaust never happened. I wasn’t born at that time but i tell you it should’ve never happened. Who the hell are you to praise something so sick like what all of those sick bastards of the nazi did to all those innocent people who were also from different countries, gays and gypsies. It wasn’t only the jews it was a whole bunch of people that died for their stupid power trip and after all that motherfucker of Hitler didn’t even give Germany what he promised them so much. And yes they made a good profit out of all the gold and goodies and money that they took from them before they were gassed. If not read Operation Rhineheart book and see the good loot he got from the prisoners and what they did with the goods. The bastard even had his elite “SS” and the Gestapo because the regular Germans were not even good enough for him. Get your facts straight. Get the info that you need in order to talk about something that you don’t even want to acknowledge. They lost the war they did horrendous things and They were nasty people who wanted to clear a whole race and in the process when it didn’t work for them they even killed themselves because they even knew what will happen to them. I am sorry dimwitt but that is not an honorable death. That is not honorable. That is being a coward.

Wow, you are unbelievably idiotic. He cannot be called “one of the fathers of modern medicine” because, as you failed to get from the article above, “Dr. Mengele escaped from Auschwitz before the camp was liberated by the army of the Soviet Union in January 1945. He took all of his research papers with him. These papers later fell into the hands of the Allies, but they have never been published. The results of Dr. Mengele’s experiments are currently being held in a vault in Israel and will probably never be released to the public.”

Therefore, his so called “research” was never confirmed, was never expounded upon, was never taught, and is not being used today so he is only the father of moronic bigots like you. Never mind the fact that you have incongruently compared autopsies to murder. You have achieved epic failure in an impossibly lame attempt to defend and glorify a man whose actions are both indefensible and inglorious and, in your empty-headed attempt, you have succeeded only in revealing your own ignorance and foolishness.

The next time you have a thought do us all a favor and let it go. Just let it go.

I am dumbfounded by your ignorance… You must be living under a rock ( & have been for some time). Do everyone a favor & dont pollute the internet with idiocy… you may address “us” if & when you become educated

I agree. I don’t think that the name ‘surgeon’ here is to be taken in the literal benign sense of the term, it is to be taken as a euphemism for a cold hearted monster conducting experiments meant more to demean and dehumanise the Jewish people than to gain knowledge of scientific value.

He probably was a real surgeon, but obviously not to help the Jews. He wasn’t brought to help. He is called a surgeon because he was most likely a doctor beforehand, hence him going back to the trade after the war, and called that for how he experimented on the Jews through surgical procedures. Get it? Surgeon is less of a job description and more of a name to strike fear. He was a Dr. Frankenstein type surgeon.

I brought a DVD of the 1985 documentary The Search for Mengele recently. It features an interview with Wolfram Bossert. In it he claims Mengele denied performing any experiments, that people volunteered to give blood samples in return for additional food, and that Mengele repeatedly said the Jews should put up a statue of him, because of all the Jews he’d saved at Auschwitz.