Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Seat-belt laws are idiotic, too. This (a pretext for cops to stop and fark with you), not "your safety," is their main purpose, and is why cops are so eager to enforce them. They could care less about your safety. They just want arrest/ticket numbers.

Plus, they spawn asinine phrases such as "click it or ticket." I'd be less peeved if the propaganda mills simply broadcast the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard.

destrip:Seat-belt laws are idiotic, too. This (a pretext for cops to stop and fark with you), not "your safety," is their main purpose, and is why cops are so eager to enforce them. They could care less about your safety. They just want arrest/ticket numbers.

Plus, they spawn asinine phrases such as "click it or ticket." I'd be less peeved if the propaganda mills simply broadcast the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard.

Would you rather we went with pictures of bodies ejected through windshields? Really, seatbelt laws help keep cops and EMTs around longer, prevents them from getting traumatized by having to break out the tape measure for how far the baby went in the collision.

Also, in the event of a minor collision or mishap they keep the driver in the seat. Stay on the steering wheel instead of just becoming a passenger.

destrip:Seat-belt laws are idiotic, too. This (a pretext for cops to stop and fark with you), not "your safety," is their main purpose, and is why cops are so eager to enforce them. They could care less about your safety. They just want arrest/ticket numbers.

Plus, they spawn asinine phrases such as "click it or ticket." I'd be less peeved if the propaganda mills simply broadcast the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard.

I believe that in some states (CO for example), the seat belt laws are considered "secondary enforcement", meaning you can't be pulled over only for that. It can be tacked on as an additional ticket if you are pulled over for something else.

GanjSmokr:destrip: Seat-belt laws are idiotic, too. This (a pretext for cops to stop and fark with you), not "your safety," is their main purpose, and is why cops are so eager to enforce them. They could care less about your safety. They just want arrest/ticket numbers.

Plus, they spawn asinine phrases such as "click it or ticket." I'd be less peeved if the propaganda mills simply broadcast the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard.

I believe that in some states (CO for example), the seat belt laws are considered "secondary enforcement", meaning you can't be pulled over only for that. It can be tacked on as an additional ticket if you are pulled over for something else.

This being FARK, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong on this.

You are correct. That's just for adults though, unbuckled kids are a primary enforcement violation.

moocifer:Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

Because it is impossible to drive in any major city without committing some minor traffic infraction, it is inevitable that if you have drugs on you while you are driving, you WILL break two laws at the same time.

GanjSmokr:I believe that in some states (CO for example), the seat belt laws are considered "secondary enforcement", meaning you can't be pulled over only for that. It can be tacked on as an additional ticket if you are pulled over for something else.

This being FARK, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong on this.

It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But when people wonder why libertarians tend to be against laws that 90% of the population consider to be common sense (think helmet laws, seat belt laws, cell phone use laws, etc. etc.) this is one of the reasons why. Because it's inevitable that those laws will be used as a pretext to try to randomly enforce other laws, often they are used almost exclusively for that purpose. And the Supreme Court has already said that so far as the Constitution is concerned, purely pretextual traffic stops are just fine under the 4th Amendment. For example, if you ever got stopped because your license plate lights were out, the cop didn't really care about that, he just wanted to see if you were doing anything else illegal and the license plate light gives him an excuse. It would be better if we made those types of offenses 'secondary only' as some seat belt laws are. But we generally don't.

GanjSmokr:destrip: Seat-belt laws are idiotic, too. This (a pretext for cops to stop and fark with you), not "your safety," is their main purpose, and is why cops are so eager to enforce them. They could care less about your safety. They just want arrest/ticket numbers.

Plus, they spawn asinine phrases such as "click it or ticket." I'd be less peeved if the propaganda mills simply broadcast the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard.

I believe that in some states (CO for example), the seat belt laws are considered "secondary enforcement", meaning you can't be pulled over only for that. It can be tacked on as an additional ticket if you are pulled over for something else.

This being FARK, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong on this.

Virginia is the same, iirc, except for children; 8-17yo's must be buckled in as a primary enforcement concern.

seeing where he got busted i can say it wasn't that the cops have a nose for finding it there. It is because in nearby Ocala National Forest there is a yearly Gathering in the woods of travelers, Hippies, and freight riders and anyone curious about them. the area does not like it one bit but they are using the right to gather peaceably on public lands so the most the cops can do is harass out of towners and anyone that looks like they may live a nomadic lifestyle.

I have a better idea. Legalize pot and driving around without a seat belt. The caveat is if you get in a wreck without your seal belt on you are denied first responder medical care. You made your decision, now die with it.

DROxINxTHExWIND:moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

Not just you. I'm white. I had bought a 1972 vw camper that I was driving out to California from NY. I had a valid temporary plate, correctly displayed, and a temporary registration and insurance good for thirty days.

Within the 4 days I was in NY before taking off I was stopped by the police three times.

DROxINxTHExWIND:moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

well at least you weren't in a pickup truck because they probably would have shot you thinking you were Christopher Dorner

bhcompy:DROxINxTHExWIND: moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

well at least you weren't in a pickup truck because they probably would have shot you thinking you were Christopher Dorner

moocifer:Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

I used to work in law enforcement, and nearly every major bust with pot in the car, was a total accident. Literally, we would pull over a car for a traffic offense, and it would have so much weed in the trunk, you could smell the stench, even without a dog.

My other experience with law enforcement agencies, is that the higher in authority you go up, the bigger deal they make about stuff. Local cops would catch a guy with five pounds of pot, and there would be a small article on page eight of the paper about it. State police busted a guy for a pound of pot, it would be on the front page of the local paper. DEA catches a guy with a bag of weed, they hold a press conference to talk about how they just captured the next Pablo Escobar.

ThreeFootSmurf:seeing where he got busted i can say it wasn't that the cops have a nose for finding it there. It is because in nearby Ocala National Forest there is a yearly Gathering in the woods of travelers, Hippies, and freight riders and anyone curious about them. the area does not like it one bit but they are using the right to gather peaceably on public lands so the most the cops can do is harass out of towners and anyone that looks like they may live a nomadic lifestyle.

I live in Ocala, and the Rainbow family for years had gatherings out in the forest, and I went once, and it was the dirtiest, filthy, most disgusting thing I have ever been to.

Plus for a month afterward you cannot hit a gas station on 40, or walk across the square without some 20-30 year freak trying to bum change or a smoke from you.

And I have been to the Grateful Dead, Phish, was a bar manager on Bourbon street, and lived and traveled all over South America.

The hippies totally trash the land with garbage and their own feces.

The only good thing about it was if you bring in fresh bottle of water you can trade it for illicit substances.

DROxINxTHExWIND:bhcompy: DROxINxTHExWIND: moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

well at least you weren't in a pickup truck because they probably would have shot you thinking you were Christopher Dorner

theflatline:The only good thing about it was if you bring in fresh bottle of water you can trade it for illicit substances.

you would have better luck with candy bars and soda. and yes that is one of the dirtier gatherings cause of the oogles that go there to party. (oogle - Newbie to travel that have a place but try to look homeless cause it is "cool and hip" and when things get tough they call mommy and daddy to come get them or to Western Union money for a ticket home) and have no idea what they are doing and the basics like Don't blow up the nearby cities for spare change, or Use the freaking trench crapper do not just go behind some tree (bury your crap), and Bring it in take it the fark out with you. and every year the regular rainbows have issues with them doing this crap

bhcompy:DROxINxTHExWIND: bhcompy: DROxINxTHExWIND: moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

well at least you weren't in a pickup truck because they probably would have shot you thinking you were Christopher Dorner

Worse, I was in a Cadillac. You know the old formula:

Dreadlocks + nice car + "hip-hop clothes" = Guns and drugs

See, you should have opted for a 300C. Then you'd just be a rapper

*Fistbump*

That was actually my first choice. But I fell in love with the Cadi and ended up not going to the Chrysler dealership that day. I've loved the 300s since I saw the movie "A History of Violence". Something about that black 300 (old model) pulling up slowly was very sinister.

ThreeFootSmurf:theflatline: The only good thing about it was if you bring in fresh bottle of water you can trade it for illicit substances.

you would have better luck with candy bars and soda. and yes that is one of the dirtier gatherings cause of the oogles that go there to party. (oogle - Newbie to travel that have a place but try to look homeless cause it is "cool and hip" and when things get tough they call mommy and daddy to come get them or to Western Union money for a ticket home) and have no idea what they are doing and the basics like Don't blow up the nearby cities for spare change, or Use the freaking trench crapper do not just go behind some tree (bury your crap), and Bring it in take it the fark out with you. and every year the regular rainbows have issues with them doing this crap

DROxINxTHExWIND:bhcompy: DROxINxTHExWIND: bhcompy: DROxINxTHExWIND: moocifer: Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Hey ummm...*taps shoulder* you know it could just be a case of old fashioned DWB. The Feds have been doing this randomn shiat to us FOREVER. You read the article about the guy who got caught with 40 Kilos because of an "unsafe lane change", but you never hear about the other thousand stops where they searched my car because the tag came back as "unlisted" even though I had them transferred off of my Magnum the month before and I had my bill of sale and temp registration in my glove box.

/Sorry, it just happened a few weeks ago so it still pisses me off.

well at least you weren't in a pickup truck because they probably would have shot you thinking you were Christopher Dorner

Worse, I was in a Cadillac. You know the old formula:

Dreadlocks + nice car + "hip-hop clothes" = Guns and drugs

See, you should have opted for a 300C. Then you'd just be a rapper

*Fistbump*

That was actually my first choice. But I fell in love with the Cadi and ended up not going to the Chrysler dealership that day. I've loved the 300s since I saw the movie "A History of Violence". Something about that black 300 (old model) pulling up slowly was very sinister.

theflatline:ThreeFootSmurf: theflatline: The only good thing about it was if you bring in fresh bottle of water you can trade it for illicit substances.

you would have better luck with candy bars and soda. and yes that is one of the dirtier gatherings cause of the oogles that go there to party. (oogle - Newbie to travel that have a place but try to look homeless cause it is "cool and hip" and when things get tough they call mommy and daddy to come get them or to Western Union money for a ticket home) and have no idea what they are doing and the basics like Don't blow up the nearby cities for spare change, or Use the freaking trench crapper do not just go behind some tree (bury your crap), and Bring it in take it the fark out with you. and every year the regular rainbows have issues with them doing this crap

I went in 1990 and I can only imagine it has gotten worse.

So, does the Rainbow Family still no give a flying fark about the environmental damage they do? I've met these folks in Colorado and they are one of the worst groups I've ever encountered when it comes to completely trashing any place they show up. Bunch of farking selfish assholes.

moocifer:Or it was the DEA passing along information from various intelligence agencies that spy on Americans with no warrants or legal oversight and the cops simply making up an excuse once he pulled him over.

Ow! That was my feelings!:theflatline: ThreeFootSmurf: theflatline: The only good thing about it was if you bring in fresh bottle of water you can trade it for illicit substances.

you would have better luck with candy bars and soda. and yes that is one of the dirtier gatherings cause of the oogles that go there to party. (oogle - Newbie to travel that have a place but try to look homeless cause it is "cool and hip" and when things get tough they call mommy and daddy to come get them or to Western Union money for a ticket home) and have no idea what they are doing and the basics like Don't blow up the nearby cities for spare change, or Use the freaking trench crapper do not just go behind some tree (bury your crap), and Bring it in take it the fark out with you. and every year the regular rainbows have issues with them doing this crap

I went in 1990 and I can only imagine it has gotten worse.

So, does the Rainbow Family still no give a flying fark about the environmental damage they do? I've met these folks in Colorado and they are one of the worst groups I've ever encountered when it comes to completely trashing any place they show up. Bunch of farking selfish assholes.

Um they're hippies. Hippies and even moreso, dead heads are the walking personification of selfish assholes.

jj325:Is it just me, or does it seem like a good 50% of drug busts happen because of morons not obeying traffic laws?

Yes there is a lot of times where the idiots are doing 20 over with bad tags and broken out windshields but for the most part cops are just profiling and once they decide they are going to stop you they will making up some petty "he said/she said" offense is the easy part.

If you're paying that much, time to find a new source. Prices have been in free-fall for 3 years now...

The prices you're paying in WA and what I pay in CO are generally not the same price folks pay in other parts of the country. I don't know the MJ market in Florida, but it's a non medical-MJ state and I wouldn't be surprised if they pay way more than $300/oz for top shelf.

Prohibition of alcohol didn't work after it was legal and widespread and then made illegal. There is no comparison to be made here, as the situation is fundamentally different. Using a poor base for your argument only provides a disservice to your cause, and I say this as someone who really doesn't give a shiat one way or the other