John Titor: Hoax

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
If the "Many worlds" theory of a foamy sea of multiverses is true, then John Titor exists, he traveled to "a" worldline and to think otherwise is
to ignore the science of this time. Granted, science changes, our understanding of the universe broadens and our ideas of creation have explored the
bounds of human imagination from our earliest days. But, if we assume that the current model of the multiverse resembles the truth of it then John
Titor is real. Whether you choose to believe the stories or not, to deny his existence and to debunk his story is to spit in the eye of science.

One thing is certain in my mind...

"The possibility of something happening somewhere in the universe is 100%"

If you interpret the Many Worlds theory this way, John Titor and Mickey Mouse become equivalent. Both can (no matter how remotely) exist so
therefore they do. That's far too easy.

In this universe Titor's story is fiction plain and simple. You don't need anything but simple logic to figure that out. If you add fake photos, to
a lame story and mix in a bunch of unfulfilled predictions, what do you get? Bad Sci-Fi that's what.

Indeed, but the chances of one specific thing happening in one specific universe is far from 100%. And that's what we're talking about - is the
Titor who claimed to be visiting our timeline from the future real? Answer: obviously not.

Titor also said he couldn't tell people about bad things that would happen so they could avoid death that’s why he didn't tell us about
earthquakes or hurricanes but how do you explain him telling us about wars and mad cow disease?

He wouldn't tell me about an earthquake coming to LA so I could move away and be saved but yet he will warn me about mad cow disease or a civil war
so I can stop eating beef or move to Canada to be saved.

Also he said NY was missing a skyscraper but its missing 2 skyscrapers and that would have been easy to guess since there were several attemps by
arabs to blow up buildings. Didn't he start posting after 911?

Knowing about Cern or the IBM computer was not a true prediction since there were people alive that knew about it before he posted it so he could have
found out from them.

I think it was a hoax like the blair witch project to make allot of money and to further an agenda. Not one of his predictions was a true prediction
or came true.

When you hear of other diseases like bird flew, mad cow disease, aids and so on the odds of those coming to america are 99.9% thats a prediction that
everybody has made. The odds of them killing millions of people are far less and he said it would be a major problem and it has not been a major
problem. There have been several autopsies and CJD is still very rare. Farmers feed there cows road kill before WWII and up into the 70s everybody
eats beef, cheese and drinks milk if the incubation time is 30 to 40 years there would be millions of deaths from CJD by now.

This is because John Titor comes from a parallel dimension, where time events occurr alittle differently then the events of our own time, when you
look into space, you are actually looking into time, there is another Earth out there that follows a similar time flow but lacks or has more of
certain aspects, events may not occurr exactly the same, but they will all have the same concluding affect, unless ofcourse it's an alternate
dimension where the outcome of events is different. For example, in John Titor's time flow the civil war broke out earlier and perhaps the events of
9/11 never occurred, where as in our time, 9/11 did occurr but the civil war predicted by Titor to take place in 2004-2005 is perhaps actually going
to start 2008-2009 over the heated presidential debates of Obama and McCain, if there has ever been a time for civil war to erupt it is now. Our
economy sucks, our political spectrum is operated by greedy, selfish, dishonest, politicians that continue to steal from the people they have been
elected to protect, and the order that once held the world together, although it being divided into two factions, democracy and communism, has all but
been destroyed. Titor had it all right in his mind because it is how things occurred in his own time flow, but the problem with time travel is once
you do it you can never return to your own dimension because every time you travel through time you are also travelling through different dimensions.
For example, let's say you wanted to go back in time and kill Hitler in hopes of preventing WW2, as soon as you stepped foot into the time machine
and turned it on, you have already left your own dimension, meaning that yes you can go back and kill Hitler, but you have only killed the Hitler of
the alternate time flow you have travelled to, where as the Hitler of our time flow will continue to live, THis is because soul's have been divided
in this universe allowing for the same person to exist in multiple places within time and space at once. Oh by the way I know all of this because
I'm the daughter of the creator, and for eons it has been my obligation to ensure the continuation of my father's experiment, which you all refer to
as the Universe. I have seen things you couldn't imagine and have fought in wars that have gone unmentioned in the records of human history and I
will tell you now that this world is ruled by immortal agents known as the Illuminati who have been secretly placed in power by Lucifer, the dark
manifestation of the creator, and have ruled this world since ancient times, always preparing the world for their master's return. They will lead
this world to chaos very shortly and I shall be left to once again clean up their mess. I too am immortal, but not in the same sense that the are,
although my physcial body can age and die my spirit continues to exist making reincarnation occurr almost immediatley after death for me, I also
retain knowledge of my previous lives, where as the illuminati are truly immortal, they don't age, they can't die, and they are slaves to the devil,
not quite demons, but not quite human either. I don't care what anyone's response to this will be, hence the reason I posted anonymously, I am
merely trying to inform people that there is more to this world then meets the eye, there are things occurring that have impacted history for far
longer then your human records will allow us to see, infact most of what you all know as history has been fabricated by the illuminati, and what a
coincidence the word i need to use to post this is actually illuminati lol. Well enjoy expanding your mind. for more info search Syntekian, whoever
wrote that understands just about as much as I do, it's a shame they never finished telling the true history of everything. Believe it or not, I
don't care it's your future not mine, I'm spiritual royalty so if the world ends I will still exist, but you mortal souls will not.

The story falls apart in the beginning. As Titor explains, traveling through time creates new timelines. There is no way to return to his timeline.
Why would anyone spend the time, money, and effort to send a man to retrieve something he can never return with? Why won't this go away?

It won't ever die because the story is just too fantastic to ignore. By using the idea of timeline's and his existence altering the timeline he can
never be disproven, this will allow for years of curiosity.

It won't ever die because the story is just too fantastic to ignore. By using the idea of timeline's and his existence altering the timeline he can
never be disproven, this will allow for years of curiosity.

I just disproved him exactly because of his own idea of timelines. I am not the first person to disprove him by a long shot either.

You apparently decided to reply without actually reading my post or this thread.

I'm sorry, I don't believe a word of the Titor story. I've heard all the debunking and agree with it completely.

I was just pointing out that with a story like his you can't necessarily disprove it if looking for the so-called predictions he made...you know, the
whole civil war in the first decade of the 21st century.

I'm sorry, I don't believe a word of the Titor story. I've heard all the debunking and agree with it completely.

I was just pointing out that with a story like his you can't necessarily disprove it if looking for the so-called predictions he made...you know, the
whole civil war in the first decade of the 21st century.

I am with you there. That timeline nonsense was the perfect built in excuse for all of that. There is no way to say what he said was wrong because he
had his little excuse so I completely agree with that. He just apparently forgot to reconcile that with the story he made up for why he went on the
trip in the first place. I see that as the best proof that he was lying because it shows he genuinely contradicts his own story and his own logic
about time travel but I agree with you about not being able to disprove him by his predictions.

I've actually taken the time to read ALL 19 pages of this thread (since about this time last night). Each and every post, no skimming, no skipping
and I have to say, I'm truly frightened. This thing has been around since 2004 and the number of "I'm not saying I believe per se but..."
posts have really shaken me up. For every post calling John Titor a hoax outright there are three or four that make excuses or throw out that same
"alternate timeline" junk. Even worse, there are people who went on to say that he CANNOT be disproved! Why is it that logic and reasoning is
not enough for some of you!? Of course he can be disproved... he already has been!

It's 2010. No civil wars on the horizon, no monthly Waco-type events, hell, we've even had three controversial elections since the time he started
posting and there wasn't much civil unrest then. My god, some people will rationalize anything! and skew facts and statements to fit what they
want to believe.

And speaking of which, this short lived World War III was a nuclear war was it not? So how is it that this war fought with nuclear weapons which by
all scientific knowledge would have been followed by a country or more of nuclear winter, had little to no effect on John Titor's life? Does he even
mention it? No, of course not, because it never happens.

If this John Titor really was from the future and didn't warn us about things like Tsunamis, Katrina, 9/11 and the like because he didn't
want to prevent disasters from claiming the lives they would have had he not intervene, how in the world could he have told us about the ensuing
"Civil War?" or WWIII or the Nuclear Winter (another issue which I will address momentarily) or even Mad Cow, without drastically changing our
timeline? In fact, by doing that he would have (theoretically) done MORE damage than had he "warned" us about 9/11 because that we "knew" about
the wars etc... we could have done something to create peace instead. So, he would have no problem possibly saving the lives of the millions said to
die from war and disease etc... which he described rather than a "paltry" 3,000 on 9/11?

He stated there was room for a %2 variation in our timelines. If that's so, than shouldn't our worlds only be %2 different? Then why has be been so
wrong about so much? That's a lot to be wrong about to be only %2 off the mark. And yet somehow people are using this small percentage as all the
justification they need for why he has not been right 100% of time time. Well, how about 80, 60 or even 40% of the time? No, instead he was wrong
100% of the time and all of you extolling his virtues and saying he was "right about a lot of things" need to provide evidence, and
statements to back that up. You cannot just say he was "right" because you've found a way to skew what he said to fit something that has occurred
in the 10/11 years since he began posting. The things he talked about, Mad Cow, CERN and the Middle East conflict were already being discussed at the
time he began posting. NOTHING he said has come to fruition in the least.

Finally, this theory that we are simply on an alternate plain, universe or timeline than JT just screams of JT apologists coming up with any
justification to excuse his "predictions" being wrong--I mean so far off that it should be nothing but obvious he was a hoax by now. It seems then,
by that logic that he can NEVER be proven wrong (which is clearly the purpose of making such claims). However, also by that logic there is no need to
discuss him because his reality is so vastly different than ours that his testimony and "predictions" have absolutely no bearing on our lives
whatsoever!

The people who believe the JT story seem to be the kind of people who wish to believe in an "instant do-over" for their lives. There's a lot of
things wrong with this country and this world and I can see why some people wish they could give it another go afresh, but It's not possible and
believe in JT won't make it any more possible. Honestly yeah we're at war, yeah the national debt is astronomical and yes we're still in a
recession but I'm happy with my life. Bad things happen Life goes on. if you don't like it, try to change it, but hold out hope for some kind of
near obliteration of half the earth so you can get a do-over and don't believe in John Titor because you're unhappy right now.

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