I may be a little rusty, but let's see *grabs Quran from under the dog's water bowl*

How about this?...clear enough?

Surah 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

^^^ case closed

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My point had nothing to do with your rendering of the surah to begin with. By no means am I trying to whitewash the Qur'an, but not everything is an open and shut case. In no way does the passage have anything to do with whether or not anyone is in fact a true Muslim. You put it out there as if it's a catch all "if you don't follow this you're not following your book" but that isn't true.

The Qur'an isn't some panacea, "slay the idolaters" isn't on some sort of list like the 10 commandments. There's a historical reason for why this surah was written. Yes, it does tell muslims they can slay a certain people. That I'll give you. But find out why, and under what conditions.

indeed..primary perception. its very real..research clieeve baxter for further info.

because thoughts are energy too..so they do have an effect...its all energy. its all light and very much alive. thats why trees and plants are affected by positive or negative emotions, they have a very subtle consciousness.

The Qur'an isn't some panacea, "slay the idolaters" isn't on some sort of list like the 10 commandments. There's a historical reason for why this surah was written. Yes, it does tell muslims they can slay a certain people. That I'll give you. But find out why, and under what conditions.

My point had nothing to do with your rendering of the surah to begin with. By no means am I trying to whitewash the Qur'an, but not everything is an open and shut case. In no way does the passage have anything to do with whether or not anyone is in fact a true Muslim. You put it out there as if it's a catch all "if you don't follow this you're not following your book" but that isn't true.

The Qur'an isn't some panacea, "slay the idolaters" isn't on some sort of list like the 10 commandments. There's a historical reason for why this surah was written. Yes, it does tell muslims they can slay a certain people. That I'll give you. But find out why, and under what conditions.

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ok genius, what are the conditions then?

because all I see and hear is yall trying to seperate yourselves from the suicide bombers who, by all accounts, are doing what the Quran says, KILL THE INFIDELS wherever you may find them?

Is that the conditions? you tell me? because it's definitely not because some invisible force is taunting them or oppresing them. they own the Middle East.. if anybody is oppressing anybody it's the gotdamn Muslims. fucker.

because all I see and hear is yall trying to seperate yourselves from the suicide bombers who, by all accounts, are doing what the Quran says, KILL THE INFIDELS wherever you may find them?

Is that the conditions? you tell me? because it's definitely not because some invisible force is taunting them or oppresing them. they own the Middle East.. if anybody is oppressing anybody it's the gotdamn Muslims. fucker.

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We're anticipating the 7th century conquest of Mecca, in which the Muslims took over the city after a treaty was broken. So the obligation of Muslims to this treaty was dissolved to those Meccans; however, the surah says they were still obligated to it with Meccans who were not against them or to those who repented. "Wherever you may find them"? We're still talking about just Mecca at this time, and the choice of words still makes perfect sense in this context. The quote isn't saying Muslims MUST kill infidels, it is granting them permission to. Why would they need permission? Because it was usually forbidden to fight in Mecca, as it's a sanctuary, and what if they are attacked? Also, in the quote you gave it speaks of sacred months... during these FOUR months Muslims were forbidden to fight as well, which is why it says "When the sacred months HAVE PASSED, slay the idolaters..."

We're anticipating the 7th century conquest of Mecca, in which the Muslims took over the city after a treaty was broken. So the obligation of Muslims to this treaty was dissolved to those Meccans; however, the surah says they were still obligated to it with Meccans who were not against them or to those who repented. "Wherever you may find them"? We're still talking about just Mecca at this time, and the choice of words still makes perfect sense in this context. The quote isn't saying Muslims MUST kill infidels, it is granting them permission to. Why would they need permission? Because it was usually forbidden to fight in Mecca, as it's a sanctuary, and what if they are attacked? Also, in the quote you gave it speaks of sacred months... during these FOUR months Muslims were forbidden to fight as well, which is why it says "When the sacred months HAVE PASSED, slay the idolaters..."

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thank you.

alias won't even read this because he is shit.

the qur'an wasn't all revealed at once, different revelations for different stages.

the killing of the infidels was revealed (as posted above) during war time, so.