I know this is a very minority opinion around here but...

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
first off you have done nothing to prove there isnt a global conspiracy and what youve said is merely opinion...thats all opinions are
....opinions...

The knife cuts both ways, bro...

on the other hand there are alot of members here on ATS who with a great deal of knowledge and research to back it up, show that there is
evidence to the contrary of your opinion...not only that but there are many researchers across the globe who have very good credentials who have done
incredible amounts of research to show that there is some substantiating factors to a conspiracy of a very sinister nature and not all of them are
named David Icke....

And none of it has convinced me. You can 'prove' anything you want, if you pick and choose the facts to fit your own agenda.

why dont you do some research your self?

I have, and have found nothing convincing.

i think you find most researchers on ATS would disagree with you....

I find many people disagree with me. But disagreement itself is not reason for me to change my views.

to just off handed make an opinion that there is no NWO or a global elite conspiracy is lacking in any true knowledge of the subject
itself...

You're going into the subject with the idea that the NWO exists. Preconceived notions are the bane of all knowledge. You cannot know anything if
you start out thinking you already '

my suggestion to you would be to do some research to prove there is no conspiracy and post it .

You can't prove a negative. I cannot prove that there is no NWO, it's your job to prove that there is one. Don't ask me to do your dirty work

or it may just be the idea of half of theese things coming true scare you !!! BOO!

That's another thing...nobosy can seem to get their story about the NWO straight. It seems everyone and their grandma have a scheme to take over the
world.

Originally posted by KayEm
All I see when I look around are signs of the NWO.

The way the Sheeple keep their eyes and heads down and refuse to rock the boat because of what other people might say - this proves the "people
police themselves, so we don't need the sheepdogs" idea.

This is another thing that bugs me...everyone who doesn't see a conspiracy in their bowl of Cheerios is a sheeple.
I'm not scared of what other people may say about my views, as this thread should be ample proof.

The way people just put up and accept stuff that is SO ridiculous and harmful to human beings, not to mention our planet, simply because
that's the "way it is and always has been done".

Uh...what? You're thinking about "Us and them". There are plenty of people who disagree with government policies, many people that care for the
environment. But they don't all see it as a conspiracy, they just see it as problems that need to be fixed.

Stubborn adherence to the status quo - All I have to do to prove to myself that the conspiracy theorists are right is purposely go out and
challenge the status quo to some sheep. There are always one of two possible reactions. They either A. Get incredibly angry and defensive or B. tell
me I'm out of my mind. This is "people policing each other" at it's finest, people.

Who the hell do you talk to? The second reaction is probably natural, but the first I rarely, if ever, have seen.

The movie the Matrix wasn't just a movie. There were many parallels between it and 'real' life.

People DO fight to the death to defend the system because they are too inured to it. And people DON'T see simply because they refuse to.

The Matrix was an action movie with cool camera tricks. It's philosophy dates back to the ancients (might I remind you that the story for The Matrix
was stolen from many, many sci-fi stories from the past decades. It was hqrdly a new concept).

You see people as 'defending the system'. I see people as defending what they believe. I could say of you that youa re defending the 'conmpsiracy
system', because you believe in it so deeply it would shatter your worldview were it to be destroyed.

But I'm not an asshole, so I wouldn't do that

Lastly, I was telling Pisky this morning that I wouldn't be surprised if a sheeple walked into a bank and actually came face to face with a
reptillian, I'm talking visible here, folks, complete with scales and forked tongues and everything. I bet Pisky that the average person on the
street wouldn't even "see" what the logical mind was telling him was right in front of him. He would find a way to deny what he was seeing.

You've been watching too much Buffy, I think...

This is what I see when I look around out there. A bunch of sheeple, eyes cast down, denying everything they see because they are too
comfortable and complacent and want nothing to change.

Funny how people get all upset at being labeled 'conspiracy theorists', and bitch and moan about how it's just an easy label so people don't have
to listne to you. Then you go ahead and label anyone who disagrees with you as a sheep. You're very hypocritical in that regard.

Originally posted by Seekerof
I believe, from my own college field of study and the research associated with it that the New World Order is an 'agenda', a utopian concept, and
that it is an ancient belief/concept.

If you mean the idea of an all-encompassing utopia, I agree that it is a very old and, in my opinion, noble dream. But I do not think there is an
organization past or present that ever had the serious goal of bringing it about.

As such, I, however, have no idea if it is a 'functioning' reality today. Many will say that it is, many will say that it is not. As with
anything else, proofs and evidences vary from subjective to objective. I am almost certain, that to a small, finite degree, the 'agenda' still
exists.

seekerof

This, I need to disagree with. While the idea may live in the minds of some, I don't think there are any groups to be pushing 'the agenda'.

A unified world may be sought by some, and it may be a natural progression. But there is no conspiracy about it. Globalization is in the interest of
some, but it's due to their own goals, not the goals of some ancient agenda.

My opinion is that humans by nature are too incompetent and self-serving to keep such a NWO conspiracy a secret and on track.

As I've said many times, we ourselves are the NWO. It's just us common folk wanting more as we always do. We'll take the chip when we want to play
the cool new video game, or when they make it so the chip can cure your cancer or stabilize your bi-polar mania, or when to type something you just
have to think it. The NWO is the natural course of our social progress coupled with technology that makes the world a much smaller place than it used
to be.

I do think there are a lot of little conspiracies around, but no one is behind the scenes controlling everything. That's not the way humans do
things. It sounds spooky and scary when you read it in a Dan Brown novel, but that's just not reality.

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
That is exactly what they want you to believe. They want you to think that you are safe under their rule and they will deceive you into their hidden
agenda for world domination. Are you going to question what the Government tells you, or do you just accept what the Government tells you as being
true?--I think that is the most important thing we have, to question.

The world as we know it is moving in one direction, that is to the agenda for the new world order. It is control among all nations of the world, all
the resources--human and otherwise, under one central command station. The new world order as it is now, calls for control in the hands of the select
few. Well, until we start moving toward a more humane world society, I can't see anything else but the NWO as it is happening now.

"They" are very skilled at staying hidden. Why, if I didn't know any better, I'd say "They" don't exist at all...

i wasnt picking on you ....seekerof ....i hope you dont take it that way ....have you been picked on this week...the week is young and yes i believe
the NWO exists and its hiding behind propaganda and political and religous manipulation....i just give you the thumbs up because i feel you have the
inside info on stuff like this....i just feel if you make a comment like that on a subject like this ...you have validated it ...i think you thought i
was being sarcastic....i wasnt

its not up to me to prove it ....you just came up with an opinion that it doesnt exist at all ....why should i have to prove it to you....can you
prove to me the holocaust existed....you cant ....but i believe it did...all you could do is show me some movies and some books and websites and id
have to make a decision for myself....but you could not emphatically prove it to me ....what can be proved ???
The proof is in the pudding

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
its not up to me to prove it ....you just came up with an opinion that it doesnt exist at all ....why should i have to prove it to you....can you
prove to me the holocaust existed....you cant ....but i believe it did...all you could do is show me some movies and some books and websites and id
have to make a decision for myself....but you could not emphatically prove it to me ....what can be proved ???
The proof is in the pudding

Bullcrap. lazy, tenuous, fragile logic.

The Holocaust happened. The proof is in the pudding. My pudding consists of 100,000's of survivors of death camps.

What's your proof?

Obfuscation or masturbation, they're both the same...you're still just screwing yourself.

Originally posted by Esoterica
"They" are very skilled at staying hidden. Why, if I didn't know any better, I'd say "They" don't exist at all...

They're not
really skilled at staying hidden. They parade and joke around like G. W. Bush. They exist as the Government and the funders of the Government. The
Government is they and the World Bankers are they.

You don't prove something doesn't exist, you either prove it DOES exist, or you assume it to be bull#, until you do discover it. Just like
weapons of mass destruction in iraq..

You guys are the ones preaching about people being tracked by credit cards, chips, some grand conspiracy that
is somehow kept secret all around the world, of course it would take many years to plan something on this scale...what evidence do you have to support
it? You have none, other than a few crackpots who claim to have worked for the government, or have some crazy idea about how the next sony ipod will
send back your location to the fbi, and how we will all be exterminated or whatever...great story, but where are the facts?

some ones testimony that something happened is as good as anyone on here saying they were abducted by little green men and anal probed....sorry to
hurt your feelings...whether its a hundred thousand or one...
i believe the holocaust happened ...im just making a comparison.....thousands and thousand of people have said they were abducted but do you believe
them ??

hmm interesting thread indeed. Very diverse as well. This is how i see it.

There is a bit of Truth in Everything.
There are people who truly believe Auschwitz (sp) was a Conspiracy and never happened regardless of the evidence intact. There are those who truly
believe that the world is in fact 'flat'.
Now believing the world is flat can be proven by way of science and logic. The same can be said of Auschwitz.
And someone brought up the holocaust, which is an excellent point seeing as big American Companys funded it to begin with, for experimentations on
human beings. I wouldn't put anything past the NWO being even partially what people think it is. They pretty well own us already, they've passed
bills and laws you'll never read or hear about. Is this a conspiracy then?

Na it's reality. History has and always shall be Doomed to Repeat Itself, its just up to Us to be intelligent enough to know when we've had enough.
I leave you with this thought. Could these things occur again? Is it a Conspiracy to think that we're much too Civilized to reapeat them? Never say
Never.

im not trying to come up with evidence i was making a comparison ...so u changed the subject ....it would seem some of us are emotionally attached to
this subject and faces are getting hot and flushhhhhhhhhh..........

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
im not trying to come up with evidence i was making a comparison ...so u changed the subject ....it would seem some of us are emotionally attached to
this subject and faces are getting hot and flushhhhhhhhhh..........

no, you are the one becoming defensive of your little NWO theory, why don't you post up some real evidence of modern nwo existance?

Honestly, I don't really believe in an NWO myself. I do believe that the vast majority of governments are not to be trusted, but I do not believe
that there's any secret coalition attempting to seize control of the world.

Why? Here's why. The evident parts of the U.S. government can't get along for more than half an hour without breaking out into the ideological
equivalent of a fist fight.

Additionally, as was said on the first page, humans just aren't capable of sticking to such a plan for very long. The whole Illuminati thing started
up by Adam Weishaupt sometime a couple centuries ago lasted very little time at all. Even organizations completely and totally dedicated to a cause
will change over time, and this change eventually begets a very large rift between their intended purpose and the end result.

And, third and perhaps most greatly, why would they do this? There really isn't any aspect of our lives that one government or another doesn't
control to some extent. Exerting tighter controls than are now in place would require an enormous amount of manpower-- enforcers, spies, and armies
that they just don't have. If they were large enough to do anything appreciable, then they'd have slipped up by now.

I don't think anyone is saying that it couldn't be possible, just that we don't believe that it's happening on an all-encompasing scale. There
very well may be groups that seek to rule the world or control things. They may achieve partial success at times, but that is a long way from
controling the world or being able to maintain control for any length of time.

People are going to believe what they want to believe, even in the face of a total lack of verifiable evidence. Just look at Religion for the proof of
that. I'm not sure why people are so facinated with the NWO idea. Maybe on some level it's easier to deal with a lack of power in one's own life if
you can believe that some mysterious entity, be it God or some secret society, is out to make things difficult for you. Humans would always rather
blame someone else for bad things than to take responsibility for their own existance and the challanges they must overcome.

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