this video alone is sufficient evidence of murder. choke holds are banned in the NYPD for a reason.

think about it this way. if they did it because he's black, that's racist as fuck and it's not just murder... it's a hate crime. if they didn't do it because he's black, then you very well could be next.

Either it is a crime or it isn't a crime. Thought crime should never exist. Which thought will be the next crime to be illegal?</rhetorical>_________________lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.

Police brutality is no longer just a problem in the Black Community. In our militarized Police State all of us are already subject to those with a badge and a sense of extra entitlements._________________The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
George Orwell

Flat out murder. And all because they claimed he sold a "black market" cigarette.

Disgusting fascist pricks.

big dave wrote:

if they did it because he's black, that's racist as fuck and it's not just murder... it's a hate crime. if they didn't do it because he's black, then you very well could be next.

Old School wrote:

Police brutality is no longer just a problem in the Black Community. In our militarized Police State all of us are already subject to those with a badge and a sense of extra entitlements.

I think it's both. I do believe they would not have gone so ape shit crazy were he an elderly white man, but the militarization of our former "peace officers" in to "LAW ENFORCEMENT" has made the situation : Government vs Citizen.

They were going to give him some "justice", regardless of his skin color. They just gave "more justice" because of his skin color, IMO.

Anyway you take it, it was murder and should sicken everyone._________________Always do the opposite of what SJWs say.

Obama played the race card. Hillary played the woman card. America played the Trump card.

I had someone after boot camp who would put us in choke holds until we passed out just for fun. I also got his ass thrown in the brig. The First Sergeant lost his mind when he found out what was going on.

EDIT: You generally have no more than eight seconds after unconsciousness to let go.

I mean the system is broken if there is no criteria for admittance to police school that would screen out idiots like that.
If a cop compared to an average citizen is more retarded, then they are no longer a service but a nuisance or malice. That piece of shit should be put in a pen._________________“If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him”

I mean the system is broken if there is no criteria for admittance to police school that would screen out idiots like that.

So is that question #1, or is it randomly put into the quiz? Obviously there are criteria to screen out problems. I'm betting a test isn't likely to accurately identify all problems. Not to mention those who become tainted by the job._________________lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.

I mean the system is broken if there is no criteria for admittance to police school that would screen out idiots like that.

So is that question #1, or is it randomly put into the quiz? Obviously there are criteria to screen out problems. I'm betting a test isn't likely to accurately identify all problems. Not to mention those who become tainted by the job.

I was thinking more along the lines of psychopathy test, voight-kampf, or some other type of measurement, where you don't have to rely on subject answering "truthfuly"._________________“If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him”

While the use of the choke-hold was illegal and is grounds for firing of the officer, it's not what hurt the guy. If you watch the video, you can see that the choke hold was with the back of the arm (non-injury-producing) and only on him for about 15 seconds or so. The guy died because he's a fat fuck who had a heart attack after panicking. If he hadn't been resisting arrest to begin with, none of that would have happened. What's not on the video is the officers repeatedly asking him, over and over again, to submit peacefully to arrest, or various threatening movements he was making to keep them at bay. Not wanting to be arrested is not legal justification for resisting, and it's also stupid, especially if you have asthma and are prone to a heart attack. Resisting is what you do in the courtroom.

The officers had three choices at that point:
1. basically gang-tackle the big guy (and undoubtedly get hurt doing it)
2. tase him (which probably would have killed him just the same)
3. keep him surrounded by a bunch of cops, call in a special police negotiator, and try to finally get him to submit (at a cost of untold thousands of taxpayer dollars, and while all those police resources could have been better used doing something else more important).

The choke hold was wrong, and action should be taken. However, it was incidental to the man's death and not the cause of it. Had they tackled him to the ground and piled on like that without using a choke-hold, he'd probably have suffered the same asthma-induced panic and the same fat-ass-induced heart attack. That guy's unfortunate death was predestined 5,000 packs of cigarettes and 5,000 pounds of butter ago.

While the use of the choke-hold was illegal and is grounds for firing of the officer, it's not what hurt the guy. If you watch the video, you can see that the choke hold was with the back of the arm (non-injury-producing) and only on him for about 15 seconds or so. The guy died because he's a fat fuck who had a heart attack after panicking. If he hadn't been resisting arrest to begin with, none of that would have happened. What's not on the video is the officers repeatedly asking him, over and over again, to submit peacefully to arrest, or various threatening movements he was making to keep them at bay. Not wanting to be arrested is not legal justification for resisting, and it's also stupid, especially if you have asthma and are prone to a heart attack. Resisting is what you do in the courtroom.

The officers had three choices at that point:
1. basically gang-tackle the big guy (and undoubtedly get hurt doing it)
2. tase him (which probably would have killed him just the same)
3. keep him surrounded by a bunch of cops, call in a special police negotiator, and try to finally get him to submit (at a cost of untold thousands of taxpayer dollars, and while all those police resources could have been better used doing something else more important).

The choke hold was wrong, and action should be taken. However, it was incidental to the man's death and not the cause of it. Had they tackled him to the ground and piled on like that without using a choke-hold, he'd probably have suffered the same asthma-induced panic and the same fat-ass-induced heart attack. That guy's unfortunate death was predestined 5,000 packs of cigarettes and 5,000 pounds of butter ago.

we had a nice little anti-cop circle jerk until you came around.

what you say seems right to me. It's of course difficult to separate this incident from the racial problems and totally insane level of police militarization going on in your country. This isn't part of that pattern from what I can tell. The guy wasn't even shot by the police.

I can see why choke holds are banned, and it's of course difficult to tell how tightly it was applied from the video. But if you showed me the first half of the video and asked me to guess if it killed the guy or not, I would have thought hell no._________________

wswartzendruber wrote:

Well, every group has its nutjobs, and the Second Amendment crowd is no exception.

While the use of the choke-hold was illegal and is grounds for firing of the officer, it's not what hurt the guy. If you watch the video, you can see that the choke hold was with the back of the arm (non-injury-producing) and only on him for about 15 seconds or so. The guy died because he's a fat fuck who had a heart attack after panicking. If he hadn't been resisting arrest to begin with, none of that would have happened. What's not on the video is the officers repeatedly asking him, over and over again, to submit peacefully to arrest, or various threatening movements he was making to keep them at bay. Not wanting to be arrested is not legal justification for resisting, and it's also stupid, especially if you have asthma and are prone to a heart attack. Resisting is what you do in the courtroom.

The officers had three choices at that point:
1. basically gang-tackle the big guy (and undoubtedly get hurt doing it)
2. tase him (which probably would have killed him just the same)
3. keep him surrounded by a bunch of cops, call in a special police negotiator, and try to finally get him to submit (at a cost of untold thousands of taxpayer dollars, and while all those police resources could have been better used doing something else more important).

The choke hold was wrong, and action should be taken. However, it was incidental to the man's death and not the cause of it. Had they tackled him to the ground and piled on like that without using a choke-hold, he'd probably have suffered the same asthma-induced panic and the same fat-ass-induced heart attack. That guy's unfortunate death was predestined 5,000 packs of cigarettes and 5,000 pounds of butter ago.

Of course, everything that they did was fine. Walk along, nothing to see here_________________"Sex: breakfast of champions" - James Hunt