My "upper body" workouts are really long if I try to do some isolation stuff: "arms".

Doggcrapp training, for example, uses a split of chest/shoulders/triceps/back for one workout and legs/arms for the other.

This seems like a good option for me since I don't care about legs enough to dedicate an entire workout to em', so arms fit in nicely. However, since any type of chest exercice uses triceps and back exercices use biceps - arms are already getting worked indirectly. It would seem that if you perform an isolation type of arm work on another day it would cut into recovery. Is this something I should care about? Or is the indirect arm work on one day + an 'arm' day just fine and doesn't affect recovery?

It's usually argued that arms recover faster as a function of being smaller and a lot of people have worked them on an additional day (after 'indirect work' from compound stuff) and done fine. I've even seen splits where they are worked the day after being hit with heavy compound stuff and it seems to work just fine. The DC guys, so far as I can tell, certainly have no issues with it.

It's usually argued that arms recover faster as a function of being smaller and a lot of people have worked them on an additional day (after 'indirect work' from compound stuff) and done fine. I've even seen splits where they are worked the day after being hit with heavy compound stuff and it seems to work just fine. The DC guys, so far as I can tell, certainly have no issues with it.

Plus there's still off days between every workout. It's not like some guys I see at the gym who do chest/arms/chest/arms/chest

Lyle - I am new to the site and really appreciate you putting up all the content you do.

My question is this: what do you think about Waterbury's High Frequency Training protocols? I have tried them for short periods but it seems they really need to be paired with adequate carb intakes for proper bulking as well as the fact that even though he claims that your body adapts to quicker recovery, that is not ideal for mass gaining. Then I think he also screws it up when he mixed in a bunch of high rep work as well.