Rape focuses critical attention on Dems 'sanctuary' states - Maryland

Well I don't consider someone who shoplifted a candy bar the same level of deviant as someone who burgled a house and stole their Van Gough painting
the same way I don't consider crossing the border the same level of deviancy as literally any other crime. In fact, I consider it to be a victimless
crime. A category of crime that I consider to be the least offensive of all crimes. Things like prostitution, drug use, gambling.

I wonder how victimless that little girl felt when she was raped by these "loaf of bread thieves"....

Strawman. I never claimed that rape was a victimless crime. Keep the topic straight and stop twisting my words please. I'm speaking to you civilly, I
expect you to do the same to me.

No, you didn't say rape was victimless, you said those that committed the rape initially committed a victimless crime.

As for your bread analogy, it is more likely that person will ask someone for bread. If they steal it, then yes they have committed a crime. The
comparison is silly though.

The Bill of Rights applies to all people within this country and trying to enter it; not just Americans. Illegals are afforded every right a full
citizen is in correspondence with the law whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, take it up with our founding fathers.

Again I agree but not once you rape our daughter.

The bill of rights applies to even the accused. Just because you find rape reprehensible doesn't mean we can strip the accused of their right to due
process and not being subjected to cruel and unusual punishments.

This is terrible, and I hope that these two men (they're basically men...in 9th grade...) get the most harsh punishment that they can get in line with
the law (or worse...after they're thrown in prison).

That said, these guys appear to be legal immigrants, and the bitching about sanctuary-city status really only directly affects illegal immigrants, so
the comparison between the two--even though I'm absolutely opposed to this sanctuary-city bulls**t--are false comparisons in this particular case.

And for every legal immigrant that commits such horrible acts, there are probably 100 times as many who live law-abiding, productive lives.

I asked you if you think it is wrong to steal that bread. So I was trying to get your personal opinion on the matter. Not the law's opinion. I
know the law considers it a crime. That's part of the analogy I'm making here.

That's the debate for the ages. This country was founded on bucking authority.

You also gave me evidence that illegal immigrants are more likely to be incarcerated than legal ones.

And? What is that supposed to mean to you? To me that just says that illegals are more likely to be incarcerated because they were picked up for being
illegal immigrants. Not because they happen to be ACTUAL criminal deviants.

Incarceration involves being convicted of a crime. Due process and all that.

Yes it seems to me that protecting illegal immigrants is to spit in the face of legal ones, the people who spend years to become Americans through
legal means. Sanctuary cities are actually anti-immigrant on those grounds.

This is terrible, and I hope that these two men (they're basically men...in 9th grade...) get the most harsh punishment that they can get in line with
the law (or worse...after they're thrown in prison).

That said, these guys appear to be legal immigrants, and the bitching about sanctuary-city status really only directly affects illegal immigrants, so
the comparison between the two--even though I'm absolutely opposed to this sanctuary-city bulls**t--are false comparisons in this particular case.

And for every legal immigrant that commits such horrible acts, there are probably 100 times as many who live law-abiding, productive lives.

One suspect, Henry E. Sanchez, 18, of Guatemala had been stopped by a Border Patrol agent in August 2016 in Rio Valley Grande, Texas, when he
entered the country illegally from Mexico. Sanchez was ordered to appear before an immigration judge, but the hearing had not yet been scheduled.

It was not immediately clear if the other suspect, Jose O. Montano, 17, from El Salvador, was in the county illegally but county executive Ike Leggett
told local press both had outstanding ICE orders.

Pretty sure you don't get an outstanding ICE order for being here legally.

I asked you if you think it is wrong to steal that bread. So I was trying to get your personal opinion on the matter. Not the law's opinion. I
know the law considers it a crime. That's part of the analogy I'm making here.

Yes, I do think it's wrong. If I were in that situation and nobody could help, I would likely steal the bread myself. If I were caught I would expect
whatever punishment to be handed down too. I would know going in to commit the act that this was the case and make a conscious decision to do it based
on need. That doesn't change the fact it is illegal and punishable.

That's the debate for the ages. This country was founded on bucking authority.

You also gave me evidence that illegal immigrants are more likely to be incarcerated than legal ones.

And? What is that supposed to mean to you? To me that just says that illegals are more likely to be incarcerated because they were picked up for being
illegal immigrants. Not because they happen to be ACTUAL criminal deviants.

Incarceration involves being convicted of a crime. Due process and all that.

Yes it seems to me that protecting illegal immigrants is to spit in the face of legal ones, the people who spend years to become Americans through
legal means. Sanctuary cities are actually anti-immigrant on those grounds.

That's a fair point, but that really speaks to the fact that we need to overhaul our legal immigration process (which I agree needs to be done).
Except that the current administration wants to clamp down on that too.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Well...i wonder how many in Montgomery County want to be a sanctuary state now? This is EXACTLY the thing all of the left PC snowflakes have been
screaming doesn't happen...and yet it happened to a 14 year old girl in school. Good job Maryland Dems!!!!

Anyone else think those that pushed for the sanctuary should face charges as well? This has to stop....hopefully it will get us that much closer to
shutting the border to depravity like this.

The rape of a 14-year-old girl last week in a boys’ bathroom of a Maryland high school, for which two immigrants have been charged, has
fueled opposition to officials making the state a sanctuary for illegal immigrants.

At least they'll be tried as adults and likely get life sentences...but then we get to pay for them as well! Lose lose situation!!!

Your really using one incident to make a broad statement on all immigrants....

Agreed...The laws of the land need to be enforced, if you don't like the laws then you need to go about changing them. Ignoring the law is not the
answer. What if we ignored the laws on drunk driving, rape, and murder? Where do you draw the line? Everyday...well not everyday as I work from
home, but when I do go out for a drive I drive above the speed limit (by like 5mph), but I also realize there are consequences and I accept those if I
am pulled over. If you come over here from wherever and you get caught...sorry you know you're breaking the law, accept those consequences, go the
legal route.

What I can't wrap my mind around is it's not like anyone (in general) is saying don't let anyone in! It's simply hey go through the front door, don't
sneak around the back. Enter legally or accept the consequences.

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