I'm sorry, but one of the biggest complaints about Grindtime any time one of the countless "What can we do to improve?!" threads pops up is to stop oversaturing the scene with battles nobody cares about. And if the bottom feeder battles of GT that everyone complains so much about, if they had a basement, the cracked holes in the Drylock between the stacked stone foundation are where a large percentage of the KOTDC battles would live. So with that out in the open, and I say this with no direct offense to any of the people involved, but are you helping or hurting a scene that people already believe to be oversaturated?

One of the first times a KOTDC thread popped up, I posted that now-played Joker "Not sure if serious?!" meme pic because I honestly wasn't sure if it was meant to be a joke or not. It's just kind of a goofy, jangalang hang-a-long type deal in comparison to the actual thing. Most of the elements that make live battles great are missing, including most of the live part. It's like backyard wrestling, but dumber.

Heres the deal... Laxin has decided he doesn't want to be involved anymore. Reason being is really no ones business but mine, Gingers, and Laxins. I made a wall post on FB yesterday saying R.I.P. KOTDC which I later deleted because I won't allow it to die. If I need to learn video editing and take on Laxins position, I will. That being said, I completely support Laxin in any choice he makes... that is the homie and he will remain the homie regardless of him being a part of KOTDC or not.

Now to address the shit talkers... I have a question. What have any of you ever done in the battle rap scene to even begin to pass judgement on people who invest their time FOR FREE to provide entertainment? Have you thrown an event? Have you ever put someone up on a new battler? Have you ever given an opportunity to someone who wanted to get into battling and haven't been able to? What EXACTLY have you done having to do with the scene besides down talk it's participants anonymously on a rap forum on the internet? Most of you kids shit talking KOTDC have never come through to watch a KOTDC event, or are just stuck in that mindstate where anything having to do with the internet must be stupid/corny.

People like TheSaurus, Dirtbag Dan, Dumbfoundead, Organik, Marv Won, Loe Pesci, Sara Kana, Dutch Vega, Pat Stay, Madness, Aspect One, Absyrd, etc etc all support what we are doing. I will take the support of any one of these people over any 10 of you faceless people that have never rapped a day in your life, and have never done a single thing to give back to the fans of it.

We are spending our time to put on battles in between these GT/KOTD/DF/etc events just to give YALL something to watch/talk about. We don't get paid. We haven't asked to get paid. In fact, we have asked for NOTHING in return for our time. We're doing this shit for the fans who just genuinely appreciate battling. If you don't fuck with it, that's fine. If you do, we appreciate it.

In closing I just want to say that Nuthyng is a faggot who has gone out of his way to troll EVERY SINGLE THREAD having to do with KOTDC. People like you are everything that is wrong with the scene and are one of the direct reasons why MOST of the battlers who used to post on here choose not to do so anymore. The battle scene would be better off without "fans" like you. Congratulations on being worthless online and offline. Good day.

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haha thanks for the shoutout homie i dont even know how i made it through your essay and saw my name but i did and i dont really go out of my way tbh, those threads kinda just appear before me and i happen to click and read/post whatever thats all and theres hundreds of other things wrong with the scene compared to me and a few other not supporting internet rap battles/events on tiny chat with white girls and retards your making shit out to be more than it actually cares as everybody is like KOTDC dying? when the fuck was that shit alive...SMFH

the battlers from ICE are far more talented/entertaining than KOTDC's battlers.

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LMFAO @ This shit. I've been in the ICE room. Its not organized and its weak as fuck. Its ran by pure divas...AND they all suck at rapping. I havent heard a good 2 bars in that room. Anything thing started by "lets beef" and Nemesis is a complete FAIL.

1 of the KOTDC battlers Mekanix went over to the ICE room, ETHERED the fuck outta everyone and some of them even caught feelings.

I'm sorry, but one of the biggest complaints about Grindtime any time one of the countless "What can we do to improve?!" threads pops up is to stop oversaturing the scene with battles nobody cares about. And if the bottom feeder battles of GT that everyone complains so much about, if they had a basement, the cracked holes in the Drylock between the stacked stone foundation are where a large percentage of the KOTDC battles would live. So with that out in the open, and I say this with no direct offense to any of the people involved, but are you helping or hurting a scene that people already believe to be oversaturated?

One of the first times a KOTDC thread popped up, I posted that now-played Joker "Not sure if serious?!" meme pic because I honestly wasn't sure if it was meant to be a joke or not. It's just kind of a goofy, jangalang hang-a-long type deal in comparison to the actual thing. Most of the elements that make live battles great are missing, including most of the live part. It's like backyard wrestling, but dumber.

Just my two pennies though.

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I will start with you. KOTDC was pretty much for fun. In the Grindtime Tinychat room we get a lot of traffic. Most of the people in that room enjoy watching battles but have never battled. Tec and Ginger saw a lot of random freestyle battles happen in the room and said why not film this and make it into something. This was pretty much for the people who came into the room. As it started to grow into something we started to do the intros and made something out of it.

Now your comment "are you helping or hurting a scene that people already believe to be oversaturated?" is really fucking stupid! We are not forcing people to watch the battles. We just post the links on RM and whoever wants to watch them can. Why not give fans another form of entertainment? What is KOTDC really hurting? You said "people believe" who are these people? Oh people who hate on anyone doing something? I'm really gonna listen to them.

Now this "Most of the elements that make live battles great are missing, including most of the live part. It's like backyard wrestling, but dumber." Whats not live about it? Is it live on the internet? Is it being recorded in real time? The videos show you how these people are living.

LMFAO @ This shit. I've been in the ICE room. Its not organized and its weak as fuck. Its ran by pure divas...AND they all suck at rapping. I havent heard a good 2 bars in that room. Anything thing started by "lets beef" and Nemesis is a complete FAIL.

1 of the KOTDC battlers Mekanix went over to the ICE room, ETHERED the fuck outta everyone and some of them even caught feelings.

#IceIsMelting

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You caught the worse half of the ICE battlers. The regulars that are in there 24/7 freestylin & shit suck. besides maybe 1-2 heads...I battled someone with freestyles, and I beat their written. But I've seen other heads do freestyle/written battles and tear shit up. A first impression isn't always the best impression.

Simply put.. Our best > KOTDC's best. & Ya'll could even put together a little event, dunno why theres so much hate. I dont even run ICE or anything, but from what I know KOTDC started out as being something "for fun"...even letting girls that couldn't rhyme hat with bat in the league...Then it turned into something serious and people started gettin butt hurt. ICE was never about havin fun though..strictly battlin. I'd love to get our 4 best heads going at it. You'd be disappointed in the outcome.

You caught the worse half of the ICE battlers. The regulars that are in there 24/7 freestylin & shit suck. besides maybe 1-2 heads...I battled someone with freestyles, and I beat their written. But I've seen other heads do freestyle/written battles and tear shit up. A first impression isn't always the best impression.

Simply put.. Our best > KOTDC's best. & Ya'll could even put together a little event, dunno why theres so much hate. I dont even run ICE or anything, but from what I know KOTDC started out as being something "for fun"...even letting girls that couldn't rhyme hat with bat in the league...Then it turned into something serious and people started gettin butt hurt. ICE was never about havin fun though..strictly battlin. I'd love to get our 4 best heads going at it. You'd be disappointed in the outcome.

rofl at internet webcam battle league beef wtf that is not hip-hop in the slightest sense of the word

and wtf at naming your league ICE that shit ain't original and the fact that it stands for in crowd elite is even gayer might as well name yourself GPS which stands for Gay Parade Superstars that shit is a better look IMO and more fitting of the league it represents

i peeped in there once and there was a wigger with a grill, du-rag and toronto raptors jersey with a dildo looking mic breaking down people's bars and shit wtf part of the game is that

tecnik might be gay and be addicted 2 boys and be mad all the time and graphically design like a 3 year old hungarian homo but he is better than anyone in ICE and he is still using his raps from 1988 on his tracks fam

rofl at internet webcam battle league beef wtf that is not hip-hop in the slightest sense of the word

and wtf at naming your league ICE that shit ain't original and the fact that it stands for in crowd elite is even gayer might as well name yourself GPS which stands for Gay Parade Superstars that shit is a better look IMO and more fitting of the league it represents

i peeped in there once and there was a wigger with a grill, du-rag and toronto raptors jersey with a dildo looking mic breaking down people's bars and shit wtf part of the game is that

tecnik might be gay and be addicted 2 boys and be mad all the time and graphically design like a 3 year old hungarian homo but he is better than anyone in ICE and he is still using his raps from 1988 on his tracks fam

Tecnik is a really great poster he did just admit to pinging in to another man's computer but in all honesty he is a really good webcam based battle league host of events and without his introduction to 20 pct of the KOTDC videos I really don't think the league would have grown to the level it is currently at.

Tecnik has also bodied many haters in his day and for that we should all salute Tecnik the gawd.

& Yes, ICE is better than KOTDC ...I've been around both leagues more than any of you..who just drop by once in ICE, and make an impression based on the 3-4 horrible kids cammed up freestyling.

I know for a fact that our best is better than your best. I'd personally WASH most of your battlers. & I'm not the best.

I don't represent either league. I fucks with both tbh.. & being that I'm a mod in the ICE room, I've seen some heads drop bars that would completely demolish KOTDC. Myself included. Again, big ups to the battlers that are actually good in KOTDC though. Murkfest, Structure, EF, D-lor, etc...

I only drop by these forums every now and then to speak the truth and pry you guys off of every penis you keep hopping on.

You caught the worse half of the ICE battlers. The regulars that are in there 24/7 freestylin & shit suck. besides maybe 1-2 heads...I battled someone with freestyles, and I beat their written. But I've seen other heads do freestyle/written battles and tear shit up. A first impression isn't always the best impression.

Simply put.. Our best > KOTDC's best. & Ya'll could even put together a little event, dunno why theres so much hate. I dont even run ICE or anything, but from what I know KOTDC started out as being something "for fun"...even letting girls that couldn't rhyme hat with bat in the league...Then it turned into something serious and people started gettin butt hurt. ICE was never about havin fun though..strictly battlin. I'd love to get our 4 best heads going at it. You'd be disappointed in the outcome.

Was started by Nemesis and consist of low tier internet rappers. most from Lets Beef. there's not gonna be any 4v4 bullshit because your kids get no shine. its not worth it. thats on some GTEC vs Dont Flop Ireland.

Did I really say anything out of line? I made 2 comments on both videos.

"BODYBAG... Your Manager is NEXT! Fuck outta here with that bullshit. Learn to take a loss like a fucking man."

"@raslopez Mazlow: "Yo yo yo...check it. You not dirty with spring in the curry"
oh yea he submurged him dummie. U mad the white boy styled on him TBH. His "Manager" lol is getting bodied next week hahahahaha. "

^was that so bad? In any case I deleted them just cause you asked!

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not that it was out of line but like i said, your blatently disrespecting people that we do business with IN REAL LIFE off of the internet... now... nobody who doesnt come onto rm.com knows that kotdc and kotd are different, hell 50% of the ppl involved in the scene look at you guys as part of us due to the name, not that i had any problem with that at all but i started getting phone calls asking why were tripping out on the net, then when i go see it wasnt even a comment that we made from OUR name .. BUT.. people are automatically assuming its KOTD cuase the similarity in the names.. u SHOULD be able to see where were coming from, for the last 2 years weve tried to keep it very business like as far as commenting under our channel name... its THE ONLY time ive had a problem with the name similarity's... never before have i ever said anything about it

Was started by Nemesis and consist of low tier internet rappers. most from Lets Beef. there's not gonna be any 4v4 bullshit because your kids get no shine. its not worth it. thats on some GTEC vs Dont Flop Ireland.

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ICE is a good 20 heads. Mekanix didn't body "my squad". Maybe 2-3 heads. Out of 20. 10 of which are HORRIBLE. and 10 of which are good/great.

lol "get no shine". I forgot, KOTDC is a platform for artists to be heard and build a fanbase. Stop trolling & think before you become overwhelmed with nerd rage & it clouds your ability to formulate arguments.

"I went to ICE once, they sucked!"
"Mekanix already bodied ICE!" (ICE being 3-4 people, which aren't representative of ICE in its entirety, nor its best battlers)

stfu, gtfo. I'd body most KOTDC battlers. & I'm probably top 10 in ICE. Not even top 5.

When Tecnik bans people in the GT Tinychat room he really does it so people don't tarnish his untarnishable image. You see, Tec is a legit businessman that has worked hard to build this webcam based internet battle league so he will not allow people to just poo poo on his name in an immature way. And for that reason alone, KOTDC is really a great medium for all internet webcam based battle league battlers really.

not that it was out of line but like i said, your blatently disrespecting people that we do business with IN REAL LIFE off of the internet... now... nobody who doesnt come onto rm.com knows that kotdc and kotd are different, hell 50% of the ppl involved in the scene look at you guys as part of us due to the name, not that i had any problem with that at all but i started getting phone calls asking why were tripping out on the net, then when i go see it wasnt even a comment that we made from OUR name .. BUT.. people are automatically assuming its KOTD cuase the similarity in the names.. u SHOULD be able to see where were coming from, for the last 2 years weve tried to keep it very business like as far as commenting under our channel name... its THE ONLY time ive had a problem with the name similarity's... never before have i ever said anything about it

and i appreciate u taking down the comments. thanks homie

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I understand what your saying and I took it down right when you ask me too. I just don't understand why you made a comment on it in this thread when I took care of it yesterday? It's all good.