An in-depth interview with Spotify GC, Horacio Gutierrez on leaving his 18-year post at Microsoft, moving his wife and three children to Manhatten, and taking a bet on the music streaming company’s future.

For any in-house lawyer sitting in their comfort zone at an established enterprise, here’s some food for thought:

“I felt almost as though, if I had the opportunity to join Microsoft in 1982, before the company became public, and if I had become part of the seminal group of people to take the company public, and continue to grow it and expand it around the world… that is something that, around [Microsoft], the opportunity had closed. Even though it had grown in significant ways, it was no longer this feeling of being part of the project to help launch a new company.”