It's hard to rate this album because in the context of me buying this, i thought it was excellent and i owe alot to it for getting me into better things. However i was your stereotype 14 yr old buying it and listenings to it now is not so rewarding. There are some good songs but i just hate the band themselves and everything taht goes with them to such an intensity i just cant listen to it now. I apreciate it, but have no time for it. I think i represent alot of people there.