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I ... good afternoon and welcome to Opinion Journal why Mary Kissel ... you're looking at the website of Lynch pins of Liberty ... in organization out of Nashville Tennessee that was targeted by the IRS ... we are very lucky to have its founder Kevin Co PG here ... to tell the first person story Canon ... while on ... for those that don't know which is what this into ... bunches of liberties of American leadership development enterprise our motto is to challenge the imagination of the rising generation and how we do that is we mentor high school college students in conservative political philosophy ... by engaging them in reading great books it's you not talk about backing political candidates this isn't a and and an overtly click or position you are fine for what I will see three D and that most of the organizations that are under attack by the IRS or five the onesie for ... there are a few of us or C3 C3 is an educational institution in case you find one in January two thousand eleven and what we told by the US ... well with your first response until May of two thousand eleven which is already ... longer than it typically takes an organization like mine to get status ... and the first letter we got was pretty intrusive asking me from member names donor names ... I've that the ... political philosophy in which we believe ... but I thought I was the only one of the time so I did everything they could to cancer when I was ... um incriminating myself because some of what they ask if it's all for subject of perjury for the few team missing answer question what were they ask ... well the the in addition to donor names of one or move to section the second letter which is more critical ... I do not get my second letter until February two thousand twelve ... at six months of repeated attempts to get all the IRS calling on the phone ... when it finally reached them the gentleman said to me oso twice is taking so long as that of last the thirty thousand dollar grant which in of itself is not a lot of money ... but it was a foundation grant it was in Korea which gave me trust is an organization I can go to other organizations and say ... look this organization trust in the interest money ... and he said to me he said we have been waiting on guidance from our superiors ... as to your organization and other organizations ... we now receive the guidance in you receive your response on the first in first outpacing where was this fire station where the security agent was in Cincinnati but his superiors were not down the hall ... case ... presumably in Washington we can spot the size ... of the U A in there some might say look the IRS has ... the flexibility that they might not have actually broken the law ... by asking these questions what would you say to ... people like that well first of all I would say they have broken the law because they've been specifically political ... the best I work with young people some of whom were minors a spoon college students in your lawyer is well the audibly disclose that yet so I I I guess a keen eye for ... but ... I was asked to identify the students that I'm teaching ... him was asked to explain what I was teaching them it's clear violation of the law can you imagine the parents ... of the students apply to turn the names that were the IRS ... but then I got worse because even after we acted after Lois Lerner apologized was about to almost three weeks the former head of the tax exempt edition that the IRS so she can now for apology in the Steve Miller went ahead and ... testified before Congress two weeks ago Chief yes ... he made the claim that the settlement stopped and said it had been stopped a couple years ago these have just been rolling out what we actually got a third letter from the IRS on a six ... was delivered to us made thirteen ... and as if it wasn't enough VIX is this yes during all of this and after they had said we stop this process ... and what was asking me if it wasn't bad enough that they wanted me to identify the students I was teaching ... now they want to know the location where I'm teaching ... that's extraordinary Aso create considering legal action or Wi Fi only let legal action um yesterday my organization along with about twenty three twenty four other organizations ... were all represented by the ACO J J secularly unchanged yet fantastic aam in fact ... this is the first time we feel in Goldman in power because it might be found at the rather organizations facing the same situations we work for a long time we thought were the only ones so what kind of restitution and hoping to get ... a number one were seeking declaratory judgment because my urbanization and nine others in the suit have still yet to be granted status twenty eight months and counting ... typically would take two or three months for orders and played one ... good addition to that were suing the individuals involved there's a ... legal provision under what was called the business case in nineteen seventy one ... Supreme Court case that allows in certain circumstances ... you to sue individuals when they are acting under color of law so egregiously violated constitutional rights ... ALM so were seeking punitive the contents are damages ... and an injunction ... to prevent the government from going after those of us who are suing them ... because obviously the targets are back now ... is going to be a much bigger than okay well when it follows case closely which Penson Liberty founder Kevin typically ... thank you so much for making on the show because ... next Apple why is the mainstream media snubbing Attorney General Eric holder ... stay tuned ... welcome to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... some of the biggest media outlets in the country including our own Fox News CNN ... CBS and York Times even the Huffington post ... are refusing to meet with Attorney General Eric order ... to talk about his investigations his department's investigations ... into journalists ... Wonderland Columnist Dan Henninger joins me now to discuss the stand ... I'll ask a stupid question ... why would the attorney general even make ... an offer to speak to a journalist off the record after what he's done ... it organizations well I guess Mary may be of service of his overall strategy I mean let's go back to the beginning of this law they had to ... issue the subpoenas to the AP they're trying to catch leaders and ... even accusing us Fox reporter James Rosen a probably possibly being involved in criminal activity ... they were trying to circumscribed the presses ability to report on the government they were trying to suppress it ... obviously that's what they were trying to do why should any of us in the press think they have been moved off that goal that's not typical of the Obama ministrations they stay on target ... so now to ask ... these members of these media organizations to come and talk to the attorney general in them off the record ... of it ... it meeting is kind of fits in so that the strategy of making them part of of you know what the administration is attempting to do ... it's a little bit late I think for the press to be involved in this because now it's a public issue ... now although the attorney general has legal ramifications to what he did with Congress whether we like to Congress about these things ... so I think were well past the point of off the record my thinking to your shop rollout these turning general specifically because that his name is on ... the subpoena for FoxNews the chain's Rosen's phone record else ... on the it how how is he staying in this wall why what how can the president announcing that he still has confidence in them ... well I think the calculation probably this is a than the ministrations that pays more attention to opinion polls probably been anime that has ever existed into their own private polls ... ha one came out this week ranking some of these Campbell's The been buying that ... and the top is the IRS mean sixty percent of the people are really focused on this ... these Press scandals fifteen percent ... ok this is of the moment mainly it's an important issue grace the Beltway issue and my guess is that their calculation as they can talk about unless ... the attorney General's legal problems get to be too seriously okay while I am speaking of legal problems in polls and in making decisions based on polling I wanna play a clip ... I've that the Fed from the president's speech and Annapolis ... I just in these recent days that I wanted to turn your column and present of confusion ... to present this ... before he arrived near our nation was engaged ... to war ... I'll Qaeda's leadership was entrenched ... in their say favorites ... many of our alliances restraint in our nation's standing in the world ... suffer ... over the past four years ... we strengthen our alliances ... restore America's image in the world ... welcome back to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel really continue on with the Wonderland Columnist Dan Henninger ... a stranger commentating candidate ... it's done a ... reason why I think in the media firm by making a statement about his foreign policy but ... you read something different in this beach white ... well the three spacious thirsty antiterror speech there was this ... off but he gave on Memorial Day Arlington Cemetery and of to be graduates of the Naval Academy at their commencement ... and ... in all these then use the president is talking about so much fun for internal as too but he keep saying ... that ... our involvement in Iraq and did last year in our involvement in Afghanistan ... is going to and and so we have to re define the war on terror ... he's ... in a sense mixing apples and oranges these were enormous military commitments in these two countries ... to me that is entirely different than the day-to-day intelligence gathering ... that the FBI supposedly was doing in the Boston Marathon bombers case but apparently didn't quite ... for this EIA or the Defense intelligence agencies ... and the president is saying he's re defining the war on terror into something away from what we can after nine eleven ... my concern is that the bureaucracies will become confused about exactly how intensely ... they should be chasing domestic terrorists many ... were warring a bad start ... I think with the American people raising and one cents a really set out to me and quote you talk about the Napa speech but there's no point which Mr Obama even suggests that the efforts of the military's served in these missions was worth it and quote ... he speaking to people are going to risk their lives for this country doesn't even explain why ... per text message right so for the president so focused on polls and in killing audiences have any company said its ... well I think the president himself is ambivalent about military commitments by the United States ... and I can think ... as I said McCollam you never know where you can distinguish between personal belief and political calculation for the president ... I think Mary that this president whether it's ... for Afghanistan or even what's going on in Syria right now wants the United States not to be involved militarily anywhere because he's so intent on taking this so called savings ... from these commitments in re programming them into domestic spending that sport is real belief lies not with military pay one of the great comments available in the newspapers and on WS J dot com Wonderland Columnist and Henninger ... thank so much for being there in the show ... is there another housing bubble in the making and James Freeman setbacks stated ... welcome back to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... we're seeing some very big increases in house prices and it's not just confined ... to one part of the country like the one I'm sitting in the Manhattan ... Phoenix up twenty two a half percent synthesis go twenty two point two ... Atlanta Detroit Los Vegas ... we even got to manage the euro Los Angeles Portland Minneapolis IndiGo sample all up double digits ... I system editorial page editor James Freeman is here to explain just what the heck is collecting on your site get him in two thousand gave the Silicon in two thousand that the economy stinks so what is the question is what is the isthe is coming from ... the rates of really increases we haven't seen since oh six of the of the height of the bubble love ... you can understand of a certain euphoria especially of people love bought at the bottom and some of these of Western cities in Florida where the group are generally hearted but to ... but this is the big question where does this a double digit growth in housing come from ... if it's not simply of the effective of the Federal Reserve printing more money in it charges city of Mahan of the economy is growing very slowly even more slowly than we thought ... a lot of good news that James is a clear foods buying these phones in and I can imagine that ... some ... say people like me you stay off the market ... said well ... you know there's not a great supply and this can wait until there's a little more each way so there is certainly of the last few years that we've seen a lot of ... institutional buying people buying these is investment properties and oceans and I just institutions of some of ... the average of folks so seeing it though once again as an investment property in ... and is well loved people thinking of this is can it be a driver of the economy Ghana and that ... to me is what's in them ... really concerned because housing really doesn't create wealth and people are thinking of ... a housing boom is the way to drive an economy ... aam should have learned a lesson in the over the last ten years but didn't then at the same time we're seeing ... a lot of the policy mistakes that led the two of that awful financial crisis really haven't been reformed so ... that's what what makes me a little queasy when I see this icon of our ... interest and excitement again around housing know with a broom it seems that no underpinnings all just to spell this out so we got cheap money from the federal debt serve you still have government backs housing ... pushing me no more so than during the crisis issuing a Bieber can afford it that's akin to what Derails this ... I think eventually rates will have to come up and I'd I think that will be the test of this market ... people were bullish on housing say look we're still way below the heights of oh six of ... you know if you look at these charts were having one of with or without them on tobacco but I think there's many ... a psychological feeling among a lot of people that it'll it'll get back to the former peak but of course is no guarantee in who really knows what the right price for a house should be I think ... when you look at first-quarter ... corporate profits ... actually a lot going on all shrinking ... slow in coming didn't grow at all really in the fourth quarter barely and then slightly a ... less than we thought to be two to nap percent range in the first quarter ... Hickey people looking for what is the real economics are legitimate driver here and that sort of fun ... week on the bubble James one one call it a bubble ... I just saying this is really not the way to prosperity and if you're thinking that silence for timing and then in use of an Obama administration extending to ... some of these of foreclosure programs I may have program which hasn't worked that into ... the Guinea given the still another try past its expiration apparently a ... I think you just wish people would realize that this is actually not the way to create wealth and we gotta get the ... the productive economy going not the way to create well maybe a bubble maybe not we're not saying state is as assistant or a pigeon are James Freeman thanks turning on the show ... it turned out to you Apple Corporation ... CEO Tim Cook is awfully proud of his company's environmental record ... Apple is no way he said our recent comments in California ... we were the first and still the only ugly of ... consumer electronics company to eliminate toxins from all the ball ... we showed the most energy efficient ... products ... we ... are running our data centers in the Hunter percent renewable energy we on the largest solar farm ... beginning on utility United States and North Carolina and then build barges fuel cell ... so Apple CEO Tim Cook is very proud of his environmental record so much so that he's tired when most antibusiness bureaucrats ever to grace the Obama administration ... former EPA chief Lisa Jackson ... editoral board member Joe rego joins me now to discuss show ... when is Lisa Jackson and two for Apple for tml and Tim Cook is creating a special office ways that she's can report directly to him and she's can economists ... call Ward named all the known whether it's taking toxic set of batteries and using low carbon energy and stuff like that manufacturing Apple's products ... while Apple shareholders might ask if she can create any value from doing our sisters and a branding exercise ... well I mean that's that's the big question aam on the one hand ... you know what which is specialized and the EPA was was really imposing rules without regard costs ... of new inflating benefits and when you're ... accountable to ... shareholders and extensively being paid to create value for ... consumers ... her her methods might might come as a bit of a shock on the other hand ... Apple is the very rich company that got about a hundred fifty billion dollars of cash on hand ... so maybe they're the only company in America the can afford ... someone ... said Jackson ... any ... Apple has a a greenie history they pulled out of the U S Chamber of Commerce very ostentatious Liao what it did that sort of pre staged this next move higher lease attacks and one assist does history tell us about Apple in schools ... right will they as you say they've they've all all always been kind of an adjunct of the green lobby and so forth so it's it's the it's a good fit nonsense but ... you know again you come up to go back to you know at least ... Al bore invented the internet ... heard of ... before he joined ... the Apple board of directors to know Lisa Jackson is really spent ... her entire career in government on the last four years to the EPA prior to that choose a political functionaries New York New Jersey and John core zein ... so she really doesn't have the kind of ... private sector experience is also reportedly from from what I hear from my sources a very ... abrasive person ins and a real political operator so you know the the the people ... in Apple Apple's corporate culture should probably aam ... be careful probably