Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

All information is available on the internet for you to connect the dots. Of course, there are lot of fearmongering and disinfo as well...you have to filter it out.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 982560

I recommend reading some history. Start with philosophy, the classics first Aristotle, Plato, Socrates. Then go to the enlightenment Locke, Hume, Bacon which will lead you to an interesting conclusion. Natural rights evolved into our constitution and bill of rights, humanism - a reaction to natural rights - led to socialism/communism/fascism. The Fabians utilized the 'isms through elite educational, business and political circles to pollute the ideas of natural rights towards the idea that the collective serves the best interest of individuals despite the individuals expense. There are other psychological factors involved such as an individual feeling if they accept collectivism they can shove off the consequences of their inappropriate actions onto the collective in order to avoid reaping personal repercussions.

You begin to see the historical tapestry of this unknown, ambiguous monster called the Illuminati. See the historical reference to the Bavarian Illuminati, see their influence on the French Revolution and the Whiskey Rebellion in the states. See the incorporation of the Illuminati symbology onto the great seal of the united states, even on the back of the dollar bill - the fiat currency they used to steal the wealth of the middle class and establish their new order.

Do not study from the internet alone, rather look at history and you can see the patterns developing.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

I used to think EXACTLY like you OP - not any more!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1025014

Me too, then I studied a little more. Who was John Dee and who was he communing with?

Who was Francis Bacon and who was he communing with? Why is it that we easily accept "scientific" doctrines like The Doctrine of Uniformity or the model of the Big Bang (classical Newtonianism) or even the doctrine of evolution?

Why is it that to achieve a Phd you have research on an approved topic? The money is simply not there for a topic that is outside of "accepted" thought. What is research for if not into areas that question the status quo?

How can there be enlightened discussion and new discoveries if the topics of discussion are pre-approved by grants? Why was Tesla shut down?

Why are the approved methods of power consolidated into fossil fuels which can be easily manipulated and controlled for the purposes of speculation in the stock markets, which are in turn easily controlled by credit, unsecured credit at that.

Why is questioned the so called "reality" limited to "conspiracy theory" forums such as this?

Cecil Rhodes for one left plenty, among the half dozen or so will he left - one was for the setting up of a secret society, modeled on the Jesuits to take over the world - supposedly for Anglo Saxon civilisation (in reality for the Jesuits) - Unbelievably years later they invited Carrol Quigley (Clintons proffesor) to read their archives and document their history.

QUIGLEY SUMMARIZEDIf reading one-thousand seven-hundred pages or dry history is not high on your list ofthings to do, then here is a summary of Quigley’s message regarding the hidden hand behindworld events:At the end of the 19th Century, a secret society was formed by Cecil Rhodes.Most of his great wealth was given to extend this organization throughout the world.It exists today and has been a major historical force since World War I.Its original goal was to extend the British Empire and Anglo-Saxon culturethroughout the world. It soon evolved into something even bigger in scope. The goalbecame world government of an international character based on the model ofcollectivism ruled from behind the scenes by an oligarchy composed of those whoare loyal to the secret society.

The primary method of conquest is to infiltrate and capture control of thepower centers of society. (Power centers are those organizations and institutions thatwield influence over political action and public opinion.) Once the power centers arecontrolled, the nation will follow. People believe that organizations respond to thewill of their membership, not realizing that they respond, instead, to the will of theirleadership.The structure of the secret society is based on the classical conspiracy modeltaken from Adam Weishaupt’s Illuminati. There is no reason to think that Rhodeswas a member of the Illuminati, which according to Bavarian records, was disbandedthere in 1784. However, there is no doubt that he had studied it carefully, because thestructure he chose was modeled after it. It is characterized by organizational ringswithin rings.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

Okay, you have signs everywhere, but lets say you were in charge of creating the dollar bill, wouldn't you use historical artifacts to give meaning to this bill? Lets say you were making a building, wouldn't you want to put some kind of sign to make it represent something.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

well.... i have my doubts about an illuminatti, i think maybe at some time there was an organization perhaps, thinking it was a conspiracy theorists idea, and tom hanks movies came out big with it. but the new world order i haft to give heed, for one its biblical and for another, i cant remember a president who hasnt discussed it. so that is there, even kissinger, its all around. just pay attention to your leaders.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

Okay, you have signs everywhere, but lets say you were in charge of creating the dollar bill, wouldn't you use historical artifacts to give meaning to this bill?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 847425

kinda funny that they all use this egyptian stuff to give things meaning, though - isn't it ?

there's an obelisk outside st peters in rome , on the embankment in londonand the george washington monument

but lets get back to designing the dollar bill - yeah - we'll give meaning to our own american currency by ----- i've got it --- we'll put a pyramid with an eye and some latin writing -that's 100% american - it'll really show our uniqueness and independence !

Cecil Rhodes for one left plenty, among the half dozen or so will he left - one was for the setting up of a secret society, modeled on the Jesuits to take over the world - supposedly for Anglo Saxon civilisation (in reality for the Jesuits) - Unbelievably years later they invited Carrol Quigley (Clintons proffesor) to read their archives and document their history.

QUIGLEY SUMMARIZEDIf reading one-thousand seven-hundred pages or dry history is not high on your list ofthings to do, then here is a summary of Quigley’s message regarding the hidden hand behindworld events:At the end of the 19th Century, a secret society was formed by Cecil Rhodes.Most of his great wealth was given to extend this organization throughout the world.It exists today and has been a major historical force since World War I.Its original goal was to extend the British Empire and Anglo-Saxon culturethroughout the world. It soon evolved into something even bigger in scope. The goalbecame world government of an international character based on the model ofcollectivism ruled from behind the scenes by an oligarchy composed of those whoare loyal to the secret society.

The primary method of conquest is to infiltrate and capture control of thepower centers of society. (Power centers are those organizations and institutions thatwield influence over political action and public opinion.) Once the power centers arecontrolled, the nation will follow. People believe that organizations respond to thewill of their membership, not realizing that they respond, instead, to the will of theirleadership.The structure of the secret society is based on the classical conspiracy modeltaken from Adam Weishaupt’s Illuminati. There is no reason to think that Rhodeswas a member of the Illuminati, which according to Bavarian records, was disbandedthere in 1784. However, there is no doubt that he had studied it carefully, because thestructure he chose was modeled after it. It is characterized by organizational ringswithin rings.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

The old world order has been:First worldSecond worldThird worldForth world

The new world order will turn the world on its head, the interbreeding elite fascists who make up the old forth world will become the rulers, the old third world will become the status quo, the old second world will live their lives on the fringes bartering and the old first world way of life will be made extinct.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

If there is so much "evidence" then why do you fcuks don't do anything about it? Why are we just here talking about these things happening and nobody is doing anything? I don't see anyone on this planet planning to stop this from happening. I don't see people coming together to stop anything bad from happening. All I see is people making videos, documentaries, speeches that were only created to make MONEY.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

Okay, you have signs everywhere, but lets say you were in charge of creating the dollar bill, wouldn't you use historical artifacts to give meaning to this bill? Lets say you were making a building, wouldn't you want to put some kind of sign to make it represent something.

People want to give things meaning, it doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy. Everytime I take on projects I tend to want to leave my mark by adding something historical or personal to it, but it doesn't mean I have an agenda to take over the world.

Presidents from all around the world have used the words "New World Order", every fucking decade I hear the words because every decade there is CHANGE, look back at history. This decade there will be a New World Order established just like there was in the 90s, it doesn't mean anything bad.

Where's the proof? All I see is people trying to make sense of things and coming up with theories, that's all. 6.8 BILLION humans on Earth, think about how hard it will be for 1% of the population to control the rest of the world, IMPOSSIBLE. It's 2010, we know here on GLP we will NOT let any bullshit happen. I have friends all around the world and they will NOT let happen what most of you doomtards want so bad.

PROPAGANDA - Who started this rumor? We should think about that instead and what was the purpose of it? If there truly was an Illuminati group with a NWO agenda it will be kept secret, no matter what, think logically.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 847425

I have thought about this quite a bit. My conclusion is, that it is easier for people to believe in a planned organized establishment, then it is for them to believe that the 'World Order' is of humanities own making.

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Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

factions of men been trying to control the world since the dawn of man. every great empire has sought domination. america is no different. if the so called 'nwo' never existed america wouldnt exist right now.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

Okay, you have signs everywhere, but lets say you were in charge of creating the dollar bill, wouldn't you use historical artifacts to give meaning to this bill? Lets say you were making a building, wouldn't you want to put some kind of sign to make it represent something.

People want to give things meaning, it doesn't mean it has to be a conspiracy. Everytime I take on projects I tend to want to leave my mark by adding something historical or personal to it, but it doesn't mean I have an agenda to take over the world.

Presidents from all around the world have used the words "New World Order", every fucking decade I hear the words because every decade there is CHANGE, look back at history. This decade there will be a New World Order established just like there was in the 90s, it doesn't mean anything bad.

Where's the proof? All I see is people trying to make sense of things and coming up with theories, that's all. 6.8 BILLION humans on Earth, think about how hard it will be for 1% of the population to control the rest of the world, IMPOSSIBLE. It's 2010, we know here on GLP we will NOT let any bullshit happen. I have friends all around the world and they will NOT let happen what most of you doomtards want so bad.

PROPAGANDA - Who started this rumor? We should think about that instead and what was the purpose of it? If there truly was an Illuminati group with a NWO agenda it will be kept secret, no matter what, think logically.

I have thought about this quite a bit. My conclusion is, that it is easier for people to believe in a planned organized establishment, then it is for them to believe that the 'World Order' is of humanities own making.

Quoting: ~*~sang-froid~*~

True, I agree. Everyone wants here wants to know the "truth" so bad, they want to make sense of everything that is going. We don't even know where we came from other than what we know from different theories from around the world.

My father told me not to give a fuck, that's what he has done, and he's well off - but I do give a fuck, so what can I do?

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

The proof is more apparent than ever.

But, there's nothing I can do or say that will convince you.

It's something you have to find for yourself, and connect the dots by looking at the past 234 years of history.

Something I have and I came to the conclusion it's all PROPAGANDA. You people don't think logically, think about it, really hard - it's IMPOSSIBLE. Yes, there are secrets out there that only certain government bodies know about but this NWO/Illuminati bullshit controlling the world is all non-sense.

I used to listen to Alex Jones, come on GLP all the time, watch documentaries here and there, it's all BULLSHIT! They do state some facts, lots of facts, but the agenda about controlling the population is retarded. Just because we have a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT doesn't mean our freedoms will be taken away, it just means we'll be united as a species, as one, just like we're supposed to be.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 847425

I read your opening post, and thought to myself, "I'll bet this guy is going to then come out and say that whats the matter with a world government"

And there is it.

Take a look around you, at the corruption and greed and ask yourself if you want these yoyo's running a world government?

The day a world government forms, will be the downfall of human civilization. Any dissent against our greater leader/s will get you branded a terrorist, because thats what is happening now on a smaller scale with many governments.

People and the governments would have to have a change of heart along with morals and values before I would ever go along with any one world government scheme

I don't think we'll all be sitting around singing happy songs and everyone gets along. Any

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

I have thought about this quite a bit. My conclusion is, that it is easier for people to believe in a planned organized establishment, then it is for them to believe that the 'World Order' is of humanities own making.

Quoting: ~*~sang-froid~*~

ur entitled to ur own opinion, of course -but when governments start mandating injections of untested vaccines and the pharmaceutical companies who make themare exempt from prosecution , and u keep hearing all thesepublic figures screaming "there's too many people"- its ur own ass thats 'on the line'.

Re: Why do people believe in the Illuminati and NWO when there is no evidence?

Simple facts, you want proofs? there are planety of , recorded also, most western "leaders" or such... have openly worded it in one interview or another, Presidents Prime Ministers and so on.

The agenda no, that was not known at first to ayone outside , but now it is evident to everyone what is, just look at every attacks on peoples conquered freedoms and you'll see them working on their NWO, plus look at the condition of the world compared to what it was just 20-30 years ago and see the damages they have already done, most of these are very deep scars in the society.

imho 9/11 was the real start of it (even tough it was all planned for many years) everything has gone downhill for almost anyone from that day on, beside the "elite", the sad thing beside all their failures and evident losses they are today still at it.

Demented should never be allowed to have any position of any importance.