malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

Boy, I got over that quickly. Started playing Xbox and didn't even watch the third period. Dreading having to work in the Philly area, but other than that, who cares. Hope their pathetic show gets coaches and/or players axed.

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

Yes, especially if he wants a new contract

Guys seriously, that doesn't answer my question. Can we move him or does his NMC prevent any moves, including sent to AHL? Please let me know if you know, you can PM me if you want I don't care.

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

Yes, especially if he wants a new contract

He's got 3 years left. Can't get a new deal any time soon.

The point is Shero Cant care what the return is or how it makes him look- Getting 1 Cup out of this team is a poor reflection on him.

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

Yes, especially if he wants a new contract

Guys seriously, that doesn't answer my question. Can we move him or does his NMC prevent any moves, including sent to AHL? Please let me know if you know, you can PM me if you want I don't care.

you have asked 5 times- clearly no one knows the exact specifications for Paul Martins contact

slappybrown wrote:I would take a Caps Cup over a Flyers win every day of the week. The Flyers winning the Cup is the single worst Pittsburgh sports result. I'd rather the Caps win 5 straight Cups before the Flyers win one.

Really? I'd rather the Flyers win four out of the next five cups if the Pens win the fifth.

Abe Frohman wrote:Some teams are built around stars who garner lots and lots of scoring trophies...but cannot find the necessary chemistry to excel in the playoffs. Unfortunately, this MAY be the Pens best description.

You draft well...get superstars, but FAIL to surround them with the talent needed to win in the PLAYOFFS. You overspend on some areas (CENTER, I will say until they unload one of these players), ignore others to their detriment.

Top goalie sucks in the series...top-2 stars almost invisible for long stretches...defense is soft...NO veteran leadership. PERIOD...

Massive changes are needed...a lot of dead-weight on this team.

Maybe my history is foggy, but we've already won 1 cup with this team, right? That would ultimately debunk this entire post.

Yeah...and IF you'll stand pat on a gameplan that might have worked 3 years ago...I'll point to the FACTS:

1) Early exits the past 3 years (last year WAS marred by injuries, I'll agree).2) The Pens' roster is NOT that of 2009.3) 2009 required hurculean efforts from Crosby and Malkin (the first teammates with 30+ Playoff points since the Avs, I believe...1996??). To expect that every year (or ever again) may be asking too much.

Team chemistry (or balance, if you will) may be MUCH more important than having a few BIG guns surrounded by lower-tier talent.

The Pens' allocation / spending of money MUST be questioned...and the finger is pointed at Shero as much as anybody else for this debacle. To 'nibble around the margins' this offseason will be an epic mistake...

This makes more sense than calling the Pens the new TB. Clearly they can win in the playoffs with the major pieces they have. MAF, Sid, Malkin, Staal, Letang, and Orpik are where you start. Neal has been added. I think the biggest tweak is in the coaching staff. If you can move Martin, do it. If not, it's not the devastating issue most will say it is. Split up Kunitz and Neal so you can have Sid with Dupuis and Kunitz again. Move TK up to the 2nd line with Geno (unless we move TK). Replace TK with a bigger, tougher guy for the 3rd line. Vitale centers line 4 with 2 new guys who are a bit tougher and more helpful that what we have. I assume Asham is gone. Adams becomes the extra.

Try to move Martin so you can play Orpik with Letang. Michalek with Niskanen. Engo, Despres, and a new body to throw in the mix (the big guy who can handle Jagr/Hartnell).

Get MAF a new goalie coach. He doesn't need an overhaul, just someone to work on the small holes that people complain about.

Biggest change will be the coaching staff, IMO. We have the horses on offense to score. Need someone to stabilize the D, regardless of the personnel.

I'd like the new 4th liners to be bigger guys who can replace Kunitz and Cooke in a year or two. Hopefully pieces we can get in a Martin trade. Also, decide if they want to ride it out with Tangradi b/c he can help that package if they don't want him around.

TheHammer24 wrote:The Martin hate is unreal. I think he was playing hurt too

Martin deserves the hate he is recieving. But Orpik deserves some as well. I honestly never saw anyone get burned so many times by deciding to make the big hit at the wrong time. You see it a lot, but the goalie makes a save or the other d picks it up, or the shooter misses the net. But it just seemed like this series, when Orpik stepped up, it was in the net.

slappybrown wrote:I would take a Caps Cup over a Flyers win every day of the week. The Flyers winning the Cup is the single worst Pittsburgh sports result. I'd rather the Caps win 5 straight Cups before the Flyers win one.

Really? I'd rather the Flyers win four out of the next five cups if the Pens win the fifth.

Not sure why, but I think I don't like Washington more than Philly. Maybe it's because Philly is in PA - big rivals, but it's just not the team I can't stand.

Maybe it was when Washington fans put pics of Crosby in the urinals that did it for me.

malksby8771 wrote:Given that Martin has a NMC (No Movement Clause) are we for sure stuck with him? Can we bury him in the minors or does his NMC prevent that? Someone please answer me I'm dying to know...

You think Shero's willing to admit he blew it on Martin by either trading him for pennies on the dollar or dumping him in the minors?

Yes, especially if he wants a new contract

He's got 3 years left. Can't get a new deal any time soon.

The point is Shero Cant care what the return is or how it makes him look- Getting 1 Cup out of this team is a poor reflection on him.

Could say the same about Philly, Chicago, Vancouver, Washington, etc. Too much luck, parity, health, match ups, etc involved in a Cup run. Best built team doesn't always win. Pens are the second best team in East and they are done.

All you can do is build a team that can contend every year and hope for the best. You can't expect multiple cups just because u have a good core.

2 cup finals, a Cup win, then bad loss to MTL, then last year didn't count dud to injury, and this year we lost to a superior team.