Smoking cessation drug not linked to an increased risk of self harm or depression

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PhysOrg Weblog
story from Oct 1, 2009, titled Smoking cessation drug not linked to an increased risk of self harm or depression.
In it, PhysOrg Weblog reports that:

There is no strong evidence that the popular smoking cessation drug varenicline increases the risk of self harm or depression compared to other cessation products, according to new research published on BMJ.com today.

So, the anti-smokers cannot name even one victim of shs, but they terrorize world governments with smoking bans and discrimination against smokers. On the other hand, bodies of suicide victims taking their lives after using Chantix are piling up, but the NAZIS still say there is no evidence that Chantix causes suicide?????? If there is one person who cannot see through this money scheme, then the dumbing of America is complete. ""the limited power of the study means we cannot rule out either a halving or a twofold increased risk." Doubletalk at its Orwellian best. 491 cases of suicidal thinking or behavior, including 420 in the US. And of those, there were 39 suicides, including 34 in the US.

“We’ve become increasingly concerned as we see a number of cases that truly look like exposure to the drug and not other causes,” says Bob Rappaport, director of the FDA’s division of anesthesia, analgesia and rheumatology products, in a briefing this afternoon with reporters.

As of now, he adds,“there’s no definitive evidence there’s a causal relationship” between Pfizer and the abnormal and suicidal behaviors. Although, the agency notes that “it appears increasingly likely that there may be an association between Chantix and serious neuropsychiatric symptoms.”

the FDA had received 98 reports of suicide among patients taking Chantix and 188 reports of attempted suicide, and 14 suicides and 17 suicide attempts among patients taking Zyban.

In many cases, the FDA said the problems began shortly after starting the medication and ended when the medication was stopped. However, some people continued to have symptoms after stopping the medication. Also, in a few cases, the problems began after the medication was stopped.

It certainly appears that big pharma dollars and anti smoking neurotics are more important that drug safety and lives. Perhaps they should clean out FDA and replace moronic people with sane people who really do care about drug safety.Whatever anti smoking big pharma wants, big pharma gets

On the other hand, bodies of suicide victims taking their lives after using Chantix are piling up, but the NAZIS still say there is no evidence that Chantix causes suicide??????

If you will please note, the article under discussion calls for further research. There is nothing close to the data on this subject that there is on SHS.

There is a huge body of scientific evidence implicating SHS in an enormous number of deaths linked to long-term illeness. Yet, you refuse to accept the professionals' medical and legal determination that SHS is the cause of death even when an asthmatic drops dead on the spot.

On one hand there is a drug which is apparently quite successful in helping people stop doing something that is unequivocally linked to greatly increased mortality rates. An activity also known to have numerous deleterious effects on other people and on things surrounding the person engaged in the activity.

On the other hand, you have the involuntary subjecting of a huge portion of the population to a substance that IS demonstrated to have deleterious effects on a significant number of those people. If you step back to the people who are--ignoring addiction--VOLUNTARILY engaging in the activity generating this substance, there is no purpose beyond the utterly frivolous.

<quoted text>Abid M. Hanson. Satisfied? The Supreme Court is.<quoted text>If you will please note, the article under discussion calls for further research. There is nothing close to the data on this subject that there is on SHS.There is a huge body of scientific evidence implicating SHS in an enormous number of deaths linked to long-term illeness. Yet, you refuse to accept the professionals' medical and legal determination that SHS is the cause of death even when an asthmatic drops dead on the spot.On one hand there is a drug which is apparently quite successful in helping people stop doing something that is unequivocally linked to greatly increased mortality rates. An activity also known to have numerous deleterious effects on other people and on things surrounding the person engaged in the activity.On the other hand, you have the involuntary subjecting of a huge portion of the population to a substance that IS demonstrated to have deleterious effects on a significant number of those people. If you step back to the people who are--ignoring addiction--VOLUNTARILY engaging in the activity generating this substance, there is no purpose beyond the utterly frivolous.Sorry, but I have to say you're ranting.

Once again you are here attempting to do damage control for big pharma.

Who funded the drive to push for smoking bans? Big Pharma and their front groups did and you know it.

How many of these studies you love to trot out were in one way or another tied to those who push these bans that demand government mandated behavior modification that are forced on a LEGAL lifestyle of choice?

Your comrades are selling a product for profit that is downright dangerous...that just so happens to fit right into the huge amounts of money they dedicated to hasseling people enough in the hope that they quit out of frustration.

Hhhhmmmm.

"Create a need for your product" is exactly what big pharma did...and in the process they trampled on peoples rights while they peddled their drugs.

Sadly...they find people like you to defend them.

Now they cut a dirty deal with the president. They have agreed to spend more than the fool McCain spent on an advertising campaign praising his agenda.

Hhhhmmmm.

It is amazing what can happen when corporate and state combine to push an agenda...eh? What form of government does this best represent?

<quoted text>Sounds like your expert believes that more research is needed.Are you just upset because THIS study doesn't support your opinion before making the same suggestion?Meanwhile, are warnings provided to consumers? How strong are the warnings?

I will be serious here for a minute, and my objection to Chantix has nothing to do with smoking or quitting smoking. I have personal experiences with drugs that change the chemistry of the brain, and I have posted that nightmare before. Anti-depressants alter the brain chemistry as does Chantix. There are those in the medical community terrified of what may happen in a couple of decades to millions of people hooked on anti depressants for decades. My short term nightmare with Effexor says those fears are more than warranted. Stopping these drugs does not mean that the change that occurred while taking the drug will return the brain to its normal chemistry. Stopping the drug can mean that the chemistry alters in new ways. My Effexor experience left what appears to be permanent subtle changes in my personality, but I only took it for a short while. Chantix works because it is like a chemical lobotomy and zaps one of the brain's pleasure zones. Since there is no tiny little spot called the smoking only pleasure zone, that means that it zaps all pleasure zones in that area of the brain. That holds terrifying possibilities should the change be permanent. I also fear drugs like Chantix for suicide inducement as I had an unforgettable experience in a high school with a rash of student suicides. I can think of nothing worse than death by suicide for the families left behind. Since there is much evidence to support the conclusion that the use of Chantix can lead to suicides, suicide ideation, and psychotic episodes, there is NO excuse for allowing this stuff to be advertised and prescribed. I hope Pfizer loses its ass on the class action lawsuits already underway. At the very least, Chantix and anti depressants should not be allowed to advertise on tv.

<quoted text>I can think of nothing worse than death by suicide for the families left behind. Since there is much evidence to support the conclusion that the use of Chantix can lead to suicides, suicide ideation, and psychotic episodes, there is NO excuse for allowing this stuff to be advertised and prescribed. I hope Pfizer loses its ass on the class action lawsuits already underway. At the very least, Chantix and anti depressants should not be allowed to advertise on tv.

I've a few comments here. I would preface them by saying that I am NOT a big fan of using drugs. I avidly encourage funding of counseling-style approaches to reduction of smoking rates in the community as well as in individuals.

That said, I submit that watching a family member smoking himself to death over decades--even disregarding the SHS effect on the rest of the family--is pretty destructive. Suicide is not alone in being rough on family members.

Apparently, there is widespread question as to whether what you regard as "much evidence" constitutes "sufficient evidence".

My hope is less vindictive than yours. I hope we learn that any perceived connection between these drugs and suicides is a statistical anomaly.

<quoted text>I've a few comments here. I would preface them by saying that I am NOT a big fan of using drugs. I avidly encourage funding of counseling-style approaches to reduction of smoking rates in the community as well as in individuals.That said, I submit that watching a family member smoking himself to death over decades--even disregarding the SHS effect on the rest of the family--is pretty destructive. Suicide is not alone in being rough on family members.Apparently, there is widespread question as to whether what you regard as "much evidence" constitutes "sufficient evidence".My hope is less vindictive than yours. I hope we learn that any perceived connection between these drugs and suicides is a statistical anomaly.

Suicide is an instantaneous and irrevocable decision that sends families into a lifetime of guilt and agony. Smoking occurs over decades and most often, if it causes harm at all, causes illnesses in the oldest among us. I have ABSOLUTELY nothing more to say about this. I have seen the ravages of suicide, and I have also lived with family members deaths from cancer and heart disease even though they were not smokers. Nothing is harder to deal with than a loved one putting a bullet through his brain unless it happens to be a bullet caused by a drug that some family member probably encouraged him to take so he would stop smoking. THere are some things in life worse than death. This qualifies for that distinction. Should you be one who forces such a drug on a loved one, I hope that you pay for that with your guilt.

Suicide is not so easily pigeonholed.With all the crap flying around these threads denying all the evidence and research showing SHS is a problem, it is pretty amazing how fast the same people are to jump on the bandwagon when there apparently isn't anyone on either side saying there is adequate evidence connecting these two drugs with suicide.

Again, I choose to hope that the lack of adequate evidence stems from lack of a connection.

Perhaps the victims, having got past the addiction, were too humiliated at the memory of their prior behavior they couldn't face the world.

<quoted text>Suicide is not so easily pigeonholed.With all the crap flying around these threads denying all the evidence and research showing SHS is a problem, it is pretty amazing how fast the same people are to jump on the bandwagon when there apparently isn't anyone on either side saying there is adequate evidence connecting these two drugs with suicide.Again, I choose to hope that the lack of adequate evidence stems from lack of a connection.Perhaps the victims, having got past the addiction, were too humiliated at the memory of their prior behavior they couldn't face the world.

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