i'm not a gun nut by any stretch...seen/known/mourned far more young people killed from guns than is acceptable but...
nothing will seemingly ever be done about the rampant guns-4-all situation in america...NRA..pried from cold dead hands rah rah rah

if someone else in that theater was holding some sort of weaponry...

u can morally object to guns all day and night..but if u have one when someone is killing innocent people in a public place & gunning to kill you too, you could change the outcome of the day.

one of the biiggest exporters of guns and war....chickens come home to roost in America
one of the primary reasons I have always loved reggae is because of the spectacular array of songs downing guns and war
this one was a BOOM SHOT when it buss
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Cody, I don't think any one carrying a gun would have made any difference in this case, although gun owners will use it as much as anti-gun people will to further their agenda. It happened so fast and ended so quick, at midnight, in the dark with tear gas- a person with a gun would have made no difference.

well, ive seen the carnage and lost many close close friends to gun violence..i'm sure before the year is out there will be a few more shot down.

i just look at it from an actual realistic standpoint, not a moral one.
if you're morally against weaponizing, i understand that too. but all the moral good intent in the world wont change the fact that this country and many others have a horrible love affair with a gun.

i hate guns. but i still believe if someone in that theater had one the carnage would have been less.....

yow Strikkly....hand to hand vs gun is lop sided. i'm looking for this video but cant find it of 50+ jiu jitsu warriors trying to battle a regiment of soliders armed with guns...the hand to hand guys had the most heart, i'll give them that..............but they all died.

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well, ive seen the carnage and lost many close close friends to gun violence..i'm sure before the year is out there will be a few more shot down.

i just look at it from an actual realistic standpoint, not a moral one.
if you're morally against weaponizing, i understand that too. but all the moral good intent in the world wont change the fact that this country and many others have a horrible love affair with a gun.

i hate guns. but i still believe if someone in that theater had one the carnage would have been less.....

yow Strikkly....hand to hand vs gun is lop sided. i'm looking for this video but cant find it of 50+ jiu jitsu warriors trying to battle a regiment of soliders armed with guns...the hand to hand guys had the most heart, i'll give them that..............but they all died.

Before the gun was the sword. Before the sword was the club. Before the club was the rock. It doesn't matter what you make available or try and ban. The human will always find another tool to kill with. Maybe its time to focus on the root of the problem instead of blaming inanimate objects for the violence that man creates. Just a thought.

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Before the gun was the sword. Before the sword was the club. Before the club was the rock. It doesn't matter what you make available or try and ban. The human will always find another tool to kill with. Maybe its time to focus on the root of the problem instead of blaming inanimate objects for the violence that man creates. Just a thought.

Exactly!!!

Genocide and government violence have killed far more people then petty crime and the occasional maniac. I'll think about giving up my guns if the police and government soldiers give up theirs first.

Anybody bent on doing violence will find a way to do so, regardless of what's legal or not. Remember a utility knife made 9/11 possible. Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer and industrial solvents in Oklahoma. A gun is just one tool among many that can be used to commit an attrocity. And you can't stop a homicidal maniac by preventing everyone else from being able to defend (and to continually practice defending) themselves.

If we want to get worked up about needless deaths, why isn't there a movement to illegalize private ownership of motor vehicles? I feel far safer walking the streets of West Oakland late at night than I do driving across the Bay Bridge during rush hour:
2009 U.S. auto fatalities: 33,808
2009 U.S. firearms fatalities: 9,146 (and some of them probably deserved it)

Regulation, not banning. Four guns in 60 days, 6,000 rounds and a drum magazine which fires 50-60 rounds a minute...excessive weaponry that might have been red flagged with regulation. Who needs all that stuff for "protection"?

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Regulation, not banning. Four guns in 60 days, 6,000 rounds and a drum magazine which fires 50-60 rounds a minute...excessive weaponry that might have been red flagged with regulation. Who needs all that stuff for "protection"?

The problem is that most regulation is created by people who are either unfamiliar with firearms, or are using regulation to further an anti-gun agenda.

If this guy had been forced to wait 120 days to buy 4 guns, would he have changed his mind? Up until he started shooting there was no objective evidence that would have indicated he was unfit to own firearms. Should the FBI actively monitor everyone who buys 4 guns in a short period of time (it's a lot more people than you might realize). How should they do so? Illegal wire taps?

Ammunition is commonly bought in bulk (thousands of rounds at a time) to save money. Anyway, I doubt this guy used more than a 100 at the movie theater.

The 50 to 60 rounds a minute is a completely arbitrary calculation based on how many times someone can pull a trigger in a minute. Almost all common civilian-legal guns nowadays are semi-automatic and so almost all guns could be said to have that rate of fire, certain people in the media are just drumming up drama. People go crazy over an AR15 because it looks similar to and shares superficial parts with US military weapons that fire fully-automatic. Outside of appearance they are very different and there isn't anything that separates them in a functional sense from thousands of non-controversial rifle designs that have never been used by our military. In other words, you would have to more or less ban all guns to ban them, or you get what happens here in California, where certain firearms are specifically banned by name but identical weapons with different names are fine.

Extensive background checks, 10+ day waiting period from time of purchase, even reasonable restrictions on magazine capacity I'm in full support of. None of this, or even a complete gun-ban will stop events like this from occurring in the future, though.

So what's the answer? Are we stuck with no answer as Michael Moore was in Bowling for Columbine? Is it something inherently amiss in our culture? Or is this getting too philosophical about the issue? I'm asking honest questions here, no rhetoric involved.

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We cannot seek achievement for ourselves and forget about progress and prosperity for our community. Our ambitions must be broad enough to include the aspirations and needs of others, for their sakes and for our own.
Cesar Chavez

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We cannot seek achievement for ourselves and forget about progress and prosperity for our community. Our ambitions must be broad enough to include the aspirations and needs of others, for their sakes and for our own.
Cesar Chavez

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We cannot seek achievement for ourselves and forget about progress and prosperity for our community. Our ambitions must be broad enough to include the aspirations and needs of others, for their sakes and for our own.
Cesar Chavez

"Guns Don't Argue" off "Music and Me" by Tony Chin on Underdog Records

I'm of the age where I had to worry about the Viet Nam War and the draft lottery. I was lucky and didn't get a low number like others my age. My dad, brother and sister all loved guns and spent years in the military (Air Force and Navy). I spent 7 years in the Peace Corps instead.