On Sun, 13 Apr 2008, White, John <john.white at drexel.edu> wrote:
>tmcd at panix.com wrote:
> >I was in Lady Thea's class at Terp. I don't recall a detail in her
> >l'Amoroso:
> >
> > Lord: 3 Contrapassi with a Rip on the last. mVt
> > Lady: Riv
> > Lord: Riv
> > Both: Riv
> > Lord: 2 pive, slow Dbl
>> However, the steps above are in neither of the manuscripts in
> AWSmith. If you have any further documentation of where Lady Thea
> got her reconstruction - manuscript used, reason for her using
> contrapassi (none appear in either mms of Amoroso, or even in
> Amoroso for 3), multiple reverences (perhaps you could interpret
> "and the woman responds to him" as the woman doing a riverentia in
> another measure, but there's no further instruction that asks them
> both to riverentia together.
Oddly enough, it wasn't on Thea of Jaravellir's main handout, but it
was in her supplemental handout "Apparently, German Women Were
Gauche":
The dances are in a manuscript sent in 1517 by Johannes
Cochl{a:}us (in Bologna) to Willibald Pirckheimer in N{u:}rnberg
for his daughters. (Cochl{a:}us was tutor to Pirckheimer's
nephews.) The MS is transcribed and translated in Appendix II (of
Vol. II) of A. William Smith's Fifteen-Century Dance and Music.
The MS describes the dances as Italian and provides chreographic
desciptions; there are a total of eight dances in the manuscript.
The first dance in the MS may be a bassadance. It is titled der
Spanier, and is described as being composed entirely of doubles.
The remaining seven dances appear to correlate with dances from
treatises by Dominico or Ambrosio/Ebreo although the degree of
correspondence between the MS and the Italian sources varies.
In the back of the handout is what appears to be a photocopy of page
326. What appears to be a transcription of the German original is on
the left, and an English translation is on the right. The German site
is headed "N{u:}rnberg, Germanisches Nationalmuseum HS 8842 / GS 1589
[lines 39-57]". It starts
It begins with eight fast ba{ss}duppeln.
so I gather that "fast ba{ss}duppeln" means "pive". The operative
words are
darnach get er vor ir mit 2 contra pa{ss} end einem mit einem
Repre{ss}
Then he goes ahead [vor ir = of her] with 2 contrapa{ss} and
one with a repre{ss}.
da kert er sich mit umb
turning with it.
und th{u:} offters gegeneinannder referenntz
They perform referentz [offters = several] toward each other
darnach tanntzt er z{u:} ir mit 2 ba{ss}duppl behennt und einen
lancksam
Then he dances toward her with 2 fast ba{ss}duppeln and a slow
one.
My apologies for any transcription errors: I had the document on my
lap and had to keep my eye on it to keep from losing my place, so I
couldn't refer to the screen while typing.
Danihel Lindum Colonia
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Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com