Recent posts by buggerd on Kongregate

This is my first forum post… I’ve been on Kong for quite a while now, using different accounts….

Somewhere earlier in this thread someone said that those sections were a place to congregate interdisciplinarily. I fully agree with this and just stumbled across this thread when I was just about to upload some of my music. The concept of a ‘real’ social gaming/flash site won’t work… People in my university started digging kong because of all the stuff it had to offer apart from games. Badges are cool, so is chatting and all this socializing stuff, but coming from a time when NG was in its baby shoes, I can say that a lot of people will say goodbye to this site once you put out all those nifty little extra features. Aside from being a complete flash game addict, the ability to upload my creative output is what kept me on NG, although that site also got a lot worse… I like the concept of kong, the looks and feels… But, and I can not stress this enough, it’s called KONGREGATE, so let us congregate and share our works, find new collaborators, have new input, create awesome projects with awesome people… Don’t make this site a shitty miniclip copy… There’s too many of them already…

In love
A pissed of user

Its good to see that Im not the only one who decided to bring this up. This Place is named after the word Congregate, yet here they are removing one of the easiest ways to do so. Sure some of the art may be bad as many stated, but that doesnt mean we need to get rid of it so hastily. The collabs section is like a bar in a sense. A place were people come to talk with one another and have fun, sure there will be those bad customers, but that doesn’t mean you must shut down the bar for everyone else.

Hey Zappy (and others, but most recently Zapppy), we really understand that it sucks for those people who are invested in the collabs and are part of that community. However, just the fact that it exists doesn’t warrant it sticking around, sadly. If we had a section where you could share and rate recipes, I’m sure some people would use it (I probably would), and people would be sad if we then took it away, but it just wouldn’t fit in with what the site wants to be. While not near as much as an imaginative stretch, the collabs now take on a similar role. Also, the issue isn’t just that few people are using it (although that definitely is an issue). There are fundamental flaws that developed in the section after it was launched and patched a couple of times that will not go away no matter how much traffic we throw at it (actually, they’d likely just get worse) and would instead take serious programming and design resources for us to completely overhaul it. You can read more of my thoughts on the subject in this post.

If you set out to make a cake, but instead end up with pie (dont ask how because you did) do you throw out the pie? You set out to make something that was and still is a hard goal to reach, but you have made a place were artist and musicians can gather and create ideas, create music, create art. You have created something that works, not what you wanted, but it did indeed work. Yet you look at it for what you wanted it to become and not what it has become. From that a few fixes maybe some tabs and you have a new working section. When I first started coming here The collabs was advertised as a place to post art and talk with other artist, not post art and talk to game creators.. If this is the wound you speak of it is self inflected, and you take your revenge on those who enjoy what you have created. There is no logic in what you are doing. I understand is horrible for what you wanted, but every mistake can be turned into an achievement if you push it in a different direction. So try pushing it in another direction. Give it 2 months of advertisement, a quick cleaning and fixs on tabs.. and if its still not to your liking, then you can kill it without me bitching.

actually.. now that I think about it.. the last time I saw an advertisement for collabs was before gamestop took over.. though to be fare even in 08-09 it was rare… but then again after gamestop bought kong, the collabs to a hard hit… not blaming gamestop.. just stating what I have noticed..

" the fact is that they’re not getting nearly enough use to warrant the remodel that we all know is sorely needed"
Like me, many of you should have gotten a message with this in it.
It is known by me and many other’s that kongregate has ignoring, hiding, and slowly removing the collabs for a long time now.
they stoped having contest for it. they stopped advertisement for it. sending that message was the first advertisement for the collab in what seems to be a few years.
We told them to keep it, it can be saved.. and even told them how and why.. and they wont even give us some form of replacement.
just a to bad kid, maybe next time.
I feel we have been ignored.
The collabs was the last and only reason i come to this site in recent months.. and i would occasionally check the games after viewing some art.
I do not upload on other sites because this one was the best… with the death of the collabs it will be the death of buggerd and my online art.. though not great People did have me do some fun things for them. even got a job painting a school because of this site.
I bit thee fare well, and by january 28 I will no longer exist here.

I smell GameStop on this one

You know… I forgot that game stop owns this site.. makes since now. Collab section doesnt actually have anything to help benefit the site money wise.. all they are doing is spending some extra cash to keep that section up. which is covered by the rest of the sites advertisement and what not, but removing it will cut some cost..

so here is some major pros and cons i see in this.. plus a few personal
Cons- removes one of the main reason i come here (personal con)
no longer have a good/clean site to post on (personal con)
will kill all the potential that is in the collabs
will remove a way for artist of both music and art to gather and talk about their works and bounce ideas to one another.
Forces us to post in the forums, were we are easily skipped over without notice

Pros- save the site some money
allows more work to be done on other parts of the site
probably add some needed life into the forums
would no longer have to worry about the perfect upload picture for my art (personal Pro)

I like this… it starts a bit relaxing, makes ya think its about to change.. goes back to calming. does change but does it wonderfully.
Some minor unneeded noise from heading to a different fret, very minor though, comes to a soft end, though sounds like an accidental sharp there but kind went with it.. so overall. 4/5 from me
Song like you ether had some natural skill on guitar or practiced hard. Good job ether way.

~Tis just a itch, the thought in the back of our mind that doesn’t seem to go away. Only showing it self when we are not looking for it, yet always there. We can’t help but feel its presence, the feeling of insanity slowly leaking its way in, only to be dismissed as a itch. If not only to help prove to our self that its a itch. Oh just a itch, only a itch, just a itch

the only thing I have actually noticed in the update is that yo umade it harder to navigate through art and music quicker, yet easier to find specific peoples work, harder to find art from someones profile pager, and fix some buggy chats..

also sites like DeviantArt, SoundCloud, Newgrounds are a bit hectic, porn filled, or a bother to navigate or be seen.. and quite frankly if we wanted to post there, we probably would have chose those instead of here…

well, as much as hate to agree, yes that does make since, but that doesn’t stop you from slapping a different title to it and just keeping it here.. Its a very nice section that is loved by the people who go to it. You have created something you didn’t plan to create, yet here it is with People who are willing to use it… what is bad about that?

I actually had this funny idea of making a game called ‘the collabs section’, that would emulate the functionality of the collabs. That’s the only way I can see to appease kongregate’s greedy outlook on things, seeing as they’d get plenty of money from it and they wouldn’t need to clog their server space with thousands of songs. Meh, I dunno…

I’ll give it some thought =]

That actually sounds like it would help. Ive seen games like that before.. played em and found out cool things i would have never known..

Same, the one here is unique.. the new art section moves slower. Gives a chance for people to actually see you’re art/music. People are nice and helpful as well (most some anyway) which is hard to come by on the internet.

change tell it gets back to you with the force of a charging bull,
that, has yet to actually charge.
The hours it takes fixing this madness that towers over the now intoxicating scene
or just ignoring it
that’s more effective you know, just ducking, dodging, blocking, and running
like the great fighter we all are
and after the social meltdown that became our near death experience
we run into the great fellow who
for reasons that should be forever remain unknown
leaves us a comment so profound that even God himself would come down from the heavens just to tell him face to face NO SHIT, even china knew that just happened.
And let it be known that it takes us all our willpower to not say that our self
But it will all be okay
things are starting to get brighter
Until you turn around and see that man pulling at the door, That in big bright red letters SAYSPUSH
and then, then you know
You are all out of bread.

Oh People, always moving never staying but simply living
From the joys of drama to the displeasure of knowing where ever we go we will still be hunting for that special place that does not actually exist.
But of course as an optimist, I must say we are already there
but that’s just me.
It doesn’t matter what you are hunting for in life, for it will always end in moving and start again with the buying of little metal trinkets that cling in clang and ting in tang, bing and bang which comes to an abrupt stop in the bread isle.
Why the bread isle?
Honestly who knows, maybe it is some inner need to take a knife and butter that bread.
But I think I started ahead of myself.
Before the moving to grand areas, before the hunting for great oddities, before the buying of bread, there was
and always will be
the irritation of people who exist with the full intent and sole purpose to wreak havoc on our loving and lively lifestyle and the fact that we are living, laughing, loving and eating all our bread makes them start plotting all the ways to throw this lovely drama at us.
Those Brilliant individuals who enlighten us with their knowledge of the obvious, those who are impervious to all things that are logic, and let us not forget those who’s bottom jaws know not the meaning of closing.
Yes
this is for all those people who always try to drive us insane and prevent us from eating our lovely bread.
We all know them, the traders of hand me down knowledge and its changes as it hangs above the heads of those it travels from.
Each time passing from one another, the vibrations of their voice giving it the life to change again
change
(rest on next comment)

The wolfs are always lurking behind and waiting for their time, so we challenge them.
Their eyes still, watching our every move, stinging our skins with questions. So we answer them

and once again we are alone
I know my voyage is long and dangerous, yet I set sail
My vessel is small and fragile, Yet I ignore its boundaries
~We welcome the cruelty of the world, for it teaches us how to understand and its weight gives us our strength
We challenge the wolfs, Proving to our self we are greater then mere beast
We answer, knowing their game and proving to our self we are not afraid.
I set sail knowing my time is short and shall not waist it waiting on a passenger to be found
I Ignore its boundaries, even when fragile it is strong and even when alone. It will float on, unable to be sunk, and unstoppable.

Now the way I see it. Being that the name of the site is Kongregate, that the collabs section was for artist and musicians such as me and himhim2340 to get together and congregate with each other. It may have been started for games, but quickly became something else. This something else was a good thing. Removing it forces us to post else were, and if we wanted to post else were dont you think we would have posted there in the first place?

To anyone who has yet to figure out
Arts and music is being removed. If you are like me then this is very very saddening news, And I am asking you to help me save the collabs.
I already gave my argument here -→ http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/312756-changes-to-the-collabs-section?page=3#posts-6613554
thats the official thread where they informed everyone
please help me show them that the users of Kongregate wish to keep the collabs.
or at least put your word in, Give it a moment of your time. That is all that is needed.
Im hoping with the community backing the collabs up that they can stay. Kongregate probably has one of the best art and music boards around, its effective, its easy, and its clean compared to other places such as deviant art. I chose to post on Kongregate because of those. and im sure others do to. So please. Help me save The collabs
~or if your okay with the change, say it. That is still better then letting this go by unheard

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