>> > We will have to see just
> > how willing the RIPE community would be, to make the changes that are
> > essential in order to reduce the prevalence of abuse. Â But in terms of
> > resource abuse it's become clear that the RIPE community is seen as
> > having rather more issues than any of the other regional communities.
> >
> > Let me be clear on one point: there are only two ways to stop spam and
> > abuse: one is to make the cost and (perceived) risk to anyone sending
> > spam or committing abuse, exceed the profits/benefits from so doing,
> > and the other is to switch off the internet.
> >
>> Of course you are right.
Partly yes, but there are more ways ...
One is the make it easier to seperate good from the eval, standards
like SPF or signed emails help a lot there and there are enough
other methods in development out there ...
Another way is to make providers more aware of there network leaks
and abused customers PCs and to have them to take more responsibility.
A general abuse address was addressed by my proposal only two month
ago but it kind of failed, simply because nobody supported it
and RIPE NCC will never invest in the their infrastructure and
people resources, when there is no will in the community.
(we even dont really know, if the community WANTs to solve the spam problem.)
Its easy, when its cheaper for RIPEs members to stuff their holes,
restrict their users, automate monitoring of abuse in their networks aso
than reacting to all those abuse reports they currently CAN ignore,
they will close their systems and this will make it
much more complicated and surely more expensive to spammers,
so it will reduce the problem, if we can force RIPEs members
to take responsibility.
And: a general abuse email address that HAS to be read and WORKED with
IS a good first step.
I dont think that the SPOF problem really exists, email is really robust,
can be delivered via a lot of servers that are fail tolerant and
can handle peeks. Bill Gates still receives eMails, and I dont want
to know, how much Microsofts servers are attacked every day :o)
Kind regards, Frank
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>> Kostas
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> > Richard Cox
> > The Other Co-chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG
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