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We begin our story in New York. There once was a girl known by everyone and no one. Her heart belonged to someone who couldn't stay. They loved each other recklessly. They paid the price. She danced to forget him. He drove past her street each night. She made friends and enemies. He only saw her in his dreams. Then one day he came back. Timing is a funny thing. But everyone was watching. She lost him but she found herself and somehow that was everything.

>Fojar posts something, Genya bitches about it, often without being even remotely constructive.
>Fojar refrains from posting, Genya still brings Fojar into the discussion somehow, usually to point out some fault of Fojar as if he's the first to ever point out something like that.

Truly a dick.

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Not to sound mysogonystic, but I'd smash Natalie Dormer like it was the last time my cock would ever work.

>Fojar posts something, Genya bitches about it, often without being even remotely constructive.
>Fojar refrains from posting, Genya still brings Fojar into the discussion somehow, usually to point out some fault of Fojar as if he's the first to ever point out something like that.

>Fojar posts something, Genya bitches about it, often without being even remotely constructive.
>Fojar refrains from posting, Genya still brings Fojar into the discussion somehow, usually to point out some fault of Fojar as if he's the first to ever point out something like that.

>Fojar posts something, Genya bitches about it, often without being even remotely constructive.
>Fojar refrains from posting, Genya still brings Fojar into the discussion somehow, usually to point out some fault of Fojar as if he's the first to ever point out something like that.

Truly a dick.

Well Royalpimp, your opinion is apreciated, but I think most people would disagree. But if thats your opinion thats ok

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Back to original topic: Has anyone really asked themselves - what happens if Garrosh would have won?

Considering the people who will be spearheading the assault? Well Stormwind would be fucked for quite some time. Anduin can't lead and as far as we know Halfords still cracking skulls up in Gilneas.
Even if Garrosh wins though the Kalimdor Horde as a whole would almost certainly lose. A huge number just turned on and destroyed themselves. Its the second war all over again.

Considering the people who will be spearheading the assault? Well Stormwind would be fucked for quite some time. Anduin can't lead and as far as we know Halfords still cracking skulls up in Gilneas.
Even if Garrosh wins though the Kalimdor Horde as a whole would almost certainly lose. A huge number just turned on and destroyed themselves. Its the second war all over again.

Of course. That's the only way the Alliance can stand against the Horde. By having the Horde split internally. The whole split thing was called a long time ago by someone, I just don't remember who.

A silly story telling mechanic. It wouldn't really be to big of a deal if there was an ebb and flow,but we never actually see it if one exists.

It's why I'm not really excited about the faction war (or the direction Blizzard wants to push faction pride). The Horde players are going to get the "Pshaw, we are so useless and violent we can't get along with each other long enough to ever win" and the Alliance is going to get the "lol. We really only exist because the Horde can't get along. As soon as they get a decent leader who has his crap together and wants to take us out, well. We don't stand a chance! YAY ALLIANCE!"

Both of which kinda suck.

Note* Please don't read this as a faction QQ post. It's not. It's more a long the lines of Blizzard reusing the same story with a twist as was present in WC2. Which admittedly is a bit unfair at this point, considering we don't know much about the war, though the seeds are present.

Of course. That's the only way the Alliance can stand against the Horde. By having the Horde split internally. The whole split thing was called a long time ago by someone, I just don't remember who.

A silly story telling mechanic. It wouldn't really be to big of a deal if there was an ebb and flow,but we never actually see it if one exists.

And the Horde only won in WC1 because the Guardian of Tirisfal was possessed by Sargeras instead of, you know, Guarding Tirisfal.

The Horde only got through WC3 because members of the Alliance both helped Thrall escape Durnholde and overthrow Admiral Proudmoore.

Neither side wins without the other side splitting in some way. It's cheap, but it keeps there from being a canon "stronger" side. But oddly enough it's only Alliance that throws a pity party about how they can't win unless the other side defeats itself. Why is that?

But oddly enough it's only Alliance that throws a pity party about how they can't win unless the other side defeats itself. Why is that?

While I haven't really seen this pity party you speak of, there's a major difference in what you're comparing. The Horde will now have split twice in a fairly major fashion. In the Second War, at least one Clan (I can't remember how many there were) split off from the Horde in order to pursue Gul'dans goal (on the other hand, Alterac betrayed the Alliance, so it was pretty much fair). In this new war, the Horde is again going to be fighting itself in a major way, rather than only a few Alliance members turning against them.

Still, the Second War seems like the betrayal was fairly equal to me, especially when you consider not all of the nations were committing their full forces from the onset.

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Neither side wins without the other side splitting in some way. It's cheap, but it keeps there from being a canon "stronger" side. But oddly enough it's only Alliance that throws a pity party about how they can't win unless the other side defeats itself. Why is that?

If you only quest Horde, you never see an unequivocal loss at the hands of the Alliance. Ashenvale's gains are reversed after you leave for Stonetalon. At the south of Durotar you can't prevent the humans from landing, but who knows if the landing party can even do all that well after the subsequent attacks on Northwatch. Southern Barrens is a tie, in a sense, but (UNWARRANTED SPECULATION TIME) the Horde is more likely to "win" in a sense by wearing down Twinbraid's forces or at least keeping them holed up someplace, even if a decisive victory cannot be gained due to lack of numbers. Swamp of Sorrows has the Alliance forces be fought off, with no indication of missing supplies or any of that sort. Stonetalon is pretty much Garrosh saying the victory was tainted and killing off his forces, or somesuch.

Alliance side, you need to look at Ashenvale with a magnifying glass and a lice comb in order to figure out how you've won. In Stonetalon you might be led to believe that the forces north may be defeated due to the Horde supply line being cut off by the victory with the Grimtotem's help. Swamp of Sorrows is supposedly a win, but Stonard is not changed in any way. Vashj'ir's Sandy Beach is clear of Horde (beyond the flight master and his siege weapon), so I guess that's a contested Stormwind victory? Felwood is an Alliance victory, but apparently the worgen screwed things up far worse than the goblins would have done. Gilneas is a contested victory, seemingly permanently due to the BG.

Also? The Horde is stronger this time around. They have better technology than the Alliance, and can easily catch up to any and all Alliance technological developments. Val'kyr act as an "I win" button, even if one named one was killed, due to the seemingly unquestionable loyalty displayed by raised Alliance characters. Some may say it's game mechanics, and I say that's bullshit because Blizzard could have easily shown a risen soldier running off, or trying to help the Alliance forces only to get killed by the Forsaken. And even if you discount the val'kyr's military advantages, they still compensate for the one Forsaken weakness (inability to restore numbers) that still matters. Magically, the Horde has the holy-arcane Sunwell, which, though limited in geographic scope, is still a very big boon.

And this isn't going into the Alliance's weaknesses, like suffering from crippling debt (whereas Orgrimmar had to be paid for thrice within a decade), disinterested elite forces (Tirion forgot to return the paladins after Wrath, apparently), night elves used as the Horde's punching bag (they never invested as much into the Outland/Northrend campaigns as the orcs, and so shouldn't have suffered as much; and of course the orcs fight in forests better than the night elves), the majority of worgen shunted into a useless semi-feral state, the Gnomish airforce being good for nothing, the Alliance navy constantly losing battles, and of course the "so farseeing they can't see they're walking off a cliff" draenei....

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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.