Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:16 pm

Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:22 pmPosts: 3190Location: Guatemala

Foggy wrote:

Good stuff Abula! Will get a WD Red then

Try also to see if they have greens, maybe old stock in norway =)

Foggy wrote:

I meant to ask something else as well. What do you guys do for Wifi? The motherboard doesn't have wifi. I'll probably run some cables, but I thought it would be nice to have the wifi option as well.

Well this was something that should have been considered before buying the motherboard, there are options from all manufacturers with WIFI. Also its best to always have the PC conected via RJ45 to a wired network, faster, safer etc.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:58 pm

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:53 pmPosts: 22Location: Norway

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Well this was something that should have been considered before buying the motherboard, there are options from all manufacturers with WIFI. Also its best to always have the PC conected via RJ45 to a wired network, faster, safer etc.

I didn't buy the motherboard yet, so I could change the build on this point. But I did consider this. From what I remember looking at it, wifi added quite a bit of cost to the motherboard. My experience has been that wifi gets old before the motherboard. I really don't think wifi on the motherboard is the way to go. IF I at some point needed excellent wifi, I'd like to have a solution that lets me move an antenna around. And I was thinking it would altogether be easier just to get a separate card that I could replace down the road when a new standard shows up.

That said. Y'all are probably right about using a cable instead. I bought all the equipment last year for cabling but never got around to it.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:16 pm

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:53 pmPosts: 22Location: Norway

So I've finally started the build! Been kind of busy here so have not had much time.

Turns out that the Thermalright fans did not come with screws. I had to order some that I am waiting for. (Just a heads up to others who might order the same fans).

A small update on the CPU. I could never get the i5 8400 here in Norway. Always on backorder. I got tired of waiting and ended up getting the i5 8600K from the US instead. Price worked out to be about the same, so I figured that would still be OK. Hopefully, it is.

I have a question though. Do I need a Case Fan Y Cable? My wife and I have a debate on whether or not we can use the CPU optional input to control the last case fan. (The motherboard is the Asus Prime Z370-A

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:42 pm

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:29 amPosts: 1587Location: UK

Foggy wrote:

I have a question though. Do I need a Case Fan Y Cable? My wife and I have a debate on whether or not we can use the CPU optional input to control the last case fan.

Using the Asus CPU_OPT PWM header to synch exhaust fan(s) with the CPU cooler fan is standard practice among my gaming family members. The CPU_OPT header is like a Y cable in that it runs the PWM fan connected to it at the same PWM duty cycle as the CPU fan. However, unlike a Y cable you do get an independent RPM reading for a fan attached to CPU_OPT. I have also seen CPU_OPT used with a Y cable to sync a couple of fans to the CPU fan.

I have a question though. Do I need a Case Fan Y Cable? My wife and I have a debate on whether or not we can use the CPU optional input to control the last case fan.

Using the Asus CPU_OPT PWM header to synch exhaust fan(s) with the CPU cooler fan is standard practice among my gaming family members. The CPU_OPT header is like a Y cable in that it runs the PWM fan connected to it at the same PWM duty cycle as the CPU fan. However, unlike a Y cable you do get an independent RPM reading for a fan attached to CPU_OPT. I have also seen CPU_OPT used with a Y cable to sync a couple of fans to the CPU fan.

It looks like a smart way. My only concern is that the CPU fan generally is not from the same model of the exhaust fan.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:29 amPosts: 1587Location: UK

Foggy wrote:

...OR I can just get another fan like the one on the Scyth Mugen.

The CPU_OPT header or a Y cable won't work as might be expected with the 3-pin voltage fan supplied with the Fractal C case. (It will just run at full speed all the time) So as you suggest the best option could be another Scythe Kaze Flex 120mm PWM like the one supplied with the CPU cooler. It has a nominal speed range of 300 to 1200 rpm so it should be possible, using the Asus BIOS fan control and/or the Asus Fan Xpert software, to achieve minimal idle speeds, probably low enough to be effectively silent.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:26 pm

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:53 pmPosts: 22Location: Norway

Good stuff. Ordered the fans. They are taking their time getting here.

I encountered another problem. I only see one of the Samsung EVO 850 M2 SATA cards in the BIOS. After some research, I found this little piece of information on Asus website about M2 support. https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-Z370-A/

I guess that it's a problem that I have two M2 SATA drives. From what I read, even cheaper older Asus cards support both types.

Wondering what to do now. Sell one and get a 960 EVO M.2? Or get an adapter of some sort.

In other news - As you understand I've fired up the PC, and I have to say I am very pleased with how quiet it is. I still haven't installed Windows on it so it's just idling. Will be interesting to see how it does under heavier load. At idle I can't really hear it. I think it's the first I have ever fired up a desktop PC and not have it sound like an airplane. I am very pleased about this! I did not think this would be possible.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:14 pm

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:29 amPosts: 1587Location: UK

Foggy wrote:

...Or get an adapter of some sort.

Probably the best option. A possible choice is the Lycom DT-125 which is a PCIe 3.0x4 host board that does not require a driver. Available from here. It will need a PCIe slot, the x16_3 position on your board should do fine.

I guess that it's a problem that I have two M2 SATA drives. From what I read, even cheaper older Asus cards support both types.

Well the 960 Evo is a native PCIe SSD, so it should work on both slots. Do you have any other satas connected? what i mean is some motherboards share some sata ports. If you have any other hdds unplug the cables and try to boot with both ssds and check the bios, and even if you dont see it on the bios, boot on windows and the open windows explorer right click MY PC then go into manage, then click on left DISK MANAGEMENT, sometimes m.2 dont get initialized on the boot but once windows boots up you can see it there.

If the above didn't work, try changing the ssds on PCIe m.2 slots, check the one that works if it works on the second slot, to discard either a defective m.2 slot, second try to also boot with the one that doesn't boot in the other m.2 to discard a defective ssd.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:18 am

Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:29 amPosts: 1587Location: UK

These are Samsung 850 Evo M2s which are a SATA drive. The reason why only one is being seen in the BIOS is because only one of the two M2 positions supports SATA, so it is a hardware limitation with the motherboard. Probably arises because SATA M2s are less common/popular than they were so Asus has reduced support for them. If it can be found a PCIe adapter card like the Lycom DT-125 will solve the problem. From my local hardware store in the UK it is in stock at £23.48, which is about $33 US, €27 or 260 Norwegian Krone. The Lycom can take both drives if necessary. There are single drive alternatives such as the Silverstone SST-ECM20 PCIe card which should be somewhat cheaper than the Lycom.

Post subject: Re: Considering a new build. Suggestions are most welcome.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:41 am

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:06 pmPosts: 79Location: Los Angeles, CA

Great info here.

I too am on an ft-05 and loved it's positive air pressure. But now I realize it's too much airflow. I do have the air penetrators at the lowest possible speed. Though there is still some flow audible out the top that's always bugged me (when I put my ear right up against it lol) Yeah just nitpicking I suppose.

So now I'm very curious if a more open case is beneficial, considering I usually pick out quiet components.CPU Wise I stick with 65W, GPU only a 970 strix here, but If I upgrade, it'd be something with a big quiet cooler as well (never oc'ing). During gaming, I suppose I wouldn't be bothered by the audible noise I would get if I go up close to the case. I assume it'd quickly dial down after gaming. In the end we're talking about a case that's placed under the desk. There's nothing but legs under the desk, but the it's not like the case is going on top of the desk and closer to my ears.

Can't decide between a meshify c or define c...Is it merely a question of preference of more air with silencing material, or less airflow with an open case?I feel I don't need that much airflow.

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