Goldberg: Liberals turn to policy before faith

Apparently, Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden are both theocrats willing, nay eager, to use state power to impose their religious views on the rest of us.

In last week’s vice presidential debate, moderator Martha Raddatz asked the two Roman Catholic politicians “to tell me what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion.”

“I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith,” confessed Ryan. “Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life.” But he went on to make it clear that his views on abortion are based as much on “reason and science” as they are on his Catholicism.

Then it was Biden’s turn. He stopped laughing long enough to explain: “My religion defines who I am, and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. Catholicism has particularly informed my social doctrine. The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves.”

Biden said he personally accepts his church’s “de fide doctrine” that “life begins at conception ... I accept that in my personal life.” But he refuses to impose it on others who don’t share his faith. Unfortunately, given his pious bravado, Biden badly garbled church teaching: Catholic opposition to abortion isn’t in fact theological dogma (de fide) but a scientific and moral conclusion, much as Ryan suggested.

Reaction to the exchange has been predictable. Adam Gopnik of the New Yorker, for instance, was outraged — at Ryan. To say that faith informs everything you do is “disturbing and scary,” Gopnik insisted. “That’s a shocking answer — a mullah’s answer, what those scary Iranian ‘Ayatollahs’ he kept referring to when talking about Iran would say as well.”

By that standard, Gopnik must consider the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and Abraham Lincoln mullah-like too.

And Biden. Biden freely admits that his faith informs his “social doctrine.” And social doctrine is a euphemism for political worldview. It’s just that on abortion, his liberalism is more important.

This has been the standard liberal Catholic Democrat argument ever since Mario Cuomo’s 1984 address at the University of Notre Dame. Cuomo argued one could support the church’s abortion position personally while refusing to impose it on others. His argument impressed secular liberals but not the church itself.

In 2004, Catholic Democratic Sen. John Kerry declared in a presidential debate his faith was “why I fight against poverty. That’s why I fight to clean up the environment and protect this earth. That’s why I fight for equality and justice. All of those things come out of that fundamental teaching and belief of faith.”

One of Ayatollah Kerry’s favorite rhetorical flourishes was to note a Christian must “demonstrate faith with deeds” — and the deeds Kerry had in mind were the liberal policies he always supported. Abortion, of course, was the one great exception to his effort to impose his faith on Americans.

Let’s be clear: Anti-poverty programs, environmental regulations and tax increases are impositions too. Refuse to abide with any of them and the government will either force you to comply or put you in jail. If your Catholic (or Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or pagan) faith drives you to pass regulations that shut down a coal mine, you’ll have imposed a lot of people right out of a job.

I strongly doub Gopnik and the rest of the faith-fearing liberals mind when progressive figures insist their policies are motivated by religion. It might be secular liberals aren’t offended by all this because they think Democrats are simply lying. That’s probably true in some cases, but it’s surely unfair in others. Biden seems sincere when he says he’s a faithful liberal Catholic. And that’s forgivable so long as he remembers that the “liberal” comes first in “liberal Catholic.”

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I am not a Catholic, don’t claim to know much about the Catholic faith but I assume they believe that lying is not a Christian thing to do.
Biden and Ryan both claim to be “practicing” Christian Catholics and their faith guides their thoughts and actions. That is the first lie, neither of these men would let their faith inhibit their political ambitions.
Lying by misleading, omission, misspeaking or other tactics is still lying. Biden, Ryan and most all politicians routinely go before the public and accuse their political opponents of lying, not a
Christian thing to do. Fortunately for both Biden and Ryan, they can go confess their sins to a priest once a week, do ten “Hail Maries” and ten “Our Fathers” and all is good.
Biden claims to accept the Catholic doctrine that life begins at conception while at the same time advocating abortion on demand. If he truly believes that life begins at conception then abortion is murder, can’t have it both ways.
The simple fact is that a President cannot lead the nation based on his own personal religious beliefs so his personal conviction are, are should be, irrelevant. If there is a conflict between a persons personal religion and his ability to lead a diverse nation, then maybe he should not be in public office.
Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

This argument goes back to Al Smith, the first Catholic nominee for President, and yet people still don't understand that any elected official who honors his contract with the citizens who elected him makes a very simple distinction: PRIVATE faith guides him but does not dictate PUBLIC policy. If he can't make that distinction, he shouldn't run for office. By the way, many clergy don't understand it either. Remember the archbishop who decreed John Kerry should be barred from the sacraments (confession and communion) because he would not obey the church's dictates to him regarding birth control policy?

I agree with you.
Just to add that any politician with any faith is going to contradict it at some point because they have a duty to their public office to what is best for the people as a whole.
Personally, I don't agree with abortion. However, my faith that leads me to this opinion should not be imposed on all of the American people. The government can not nor should it be given the power to make moral decisions for its citizens that is not its purpose.