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arlbergbahn
8:07am Thu 22 May 14

cosmick wrote…

Get out there and VOTE!

As long as it's for Ukip, presumably. Still, at least they can't do any harm this time, since there's no point whatsoever to the European parliament, and the fact that they have no policies beyond being a distasteful band of neo-Thatcherites who differ from Thatcher in having no actual beliefs doesn't really matter as long as they put two fingers up to Brussels.

[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote:
Get out there and VOTE![/p][/quote]As long as it's for Ukip, presumably. Still, at least they can't do any harm this time, since there's no point whatsoever to the European parliament, and the fact that they have no policies beyond being a distasteful band of neo-Thatcherites who differ from Thatcher in having no actual beliefs doesn't really matter as long as they put two fingers up to Brussels.arlbergbahn

cosmick wrote…

Get out there and VOTE!

As long as it's for Ukip, presumably. Still, at least they can't do any harm this time, since there's no point whatsoever to the European parliament, and the fact that they have no policies beyond being a distasteful band of neo-Thatcherites who differ from Thatcher in having no actual beliefs doesn't really matter as long as they put two fingers up to Brussels.

Score: -11

cj07589
1:50pm Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.cj07589

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Score: 11

cj07589
8:19am Thu 22 May 14

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

Perfect well said sir!

[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote:
Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.[/p][/quote]Perfect well said sir!cj07589

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

Perfect well said sir!

Score: 0

cj07589
7:47am Thu 22 May 14

Hurray, time to send Westminster a clear message that the people have spoken.

Hurray, time to send Westminster a clear message that the people have spoken.cj07589

Hurray, time to send Westminster a clear message that the people have spoken.

Score: 7

cosmick
7:49am Thu 22 May 14

Get out there and VOTE!

Get out there and VOTE!cosmick

Get out there and VOTE!

Score: 12

cj07589
9:58pm Thu 22 May 14

woodsedge wrote…

navelgazer wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.

I see you are flying in the face of popular opinion once again, at least you are consistent. I see circumstantial stereotypical wholesale labelling is the latest ticket, hardly taking the high moral ground is it? Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk how very noble of you and navel gazer. Clearly both qualified to preach the gospel but not abide by it. Glass houses and kettle black but like you will take any notice.

[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]navelgazer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.[/p][/quote]I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.
A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.
He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.
I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.[/p][/quote]I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.[/p][/quote]I see you are flying in the face of popular opinion once again, at least you are consistent. I see circumstantial stereotypical wholesale labelling is the latest ticket, hardly taking the high moral ground is it? Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk how very noble of you and navel gazer. Clearly both qualified to preach the gospel but not abide by it. Glass houses and kettle black but like you will take any notice.cj07589

woodsedge wrote…

navelgazer wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.

I see you are flying in the face of popular opinion once again, at least you are consistent. I see circumstantial stereotypical wholesale labelling is the latest ticket, hardly taking the high moral ground is it? Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk how very noble of you and navel gazer. Clearly both qualified to preach the gospel but not abide by it. Glass houses and kettle black but like you will take any notice.

Score: 4

arlbergbahn
8:04am Thu 22 May 14

Yes, they've had to set up road blocks round here to cope with number of people flocking towards the Polling statiions.

Yes, they've had to set up road blocks round here to cope with number of people flocking towards the Polling statiions.arlbergbahn

Yes, they've had to set up road blocks round here to cope with number of people flocking towards the Polling statiions.

Score: -2

arlbergbahn
8:07am Thu 22 May 14

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.arlbergbahn

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

Score: 8

Bollard
8:51am Thu 22 May 14

So the EU choices are: The three main parties, or five crackpot parties. Great.

So the EU choices are: The three main parties, or five crackpot parties. Great.Bollard

So the EU choices are: The three main parties, or five crackpot parties. Great.

Score: 3

Dorset Boy
9:30am Thu 22 May 14

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

I like them with apple sauce

[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote:
Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.[/p][/quote]I like them with apple sauceDorset Boy

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

I like them with apple sauce

Score: 1

Dorset Boy
9:34am Thu 22 May 14

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.Dorset Boy

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

Score: 7

elloello1980
11:35am Thu 22 May 14

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP!elloello1980

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Score: -4

Bert Fry
12:03pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.Bert Fry

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

As usual....then again, it is difficult to say anything good about UKIP,
(That is probably enough to get me labeled a bigot)

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
cj07589, clearly struggling to find evidence to put a solid argument forward[/p][/quote]As usual....then again, it is difficult to say anything good about UKIP,
(That is probably enough to get me labeled a bigot)livid99

As usual....then again, it is difficult to say anything good about UKIP,
(That is probably enough to get me labeled a bigot)

Score: -6

cj07589
11:50am Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Libellous rubbish! Liar liar pants on fire!

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Libellous rubbish! Liar liar pants on fire!cj07589

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Libellous rubbish! Liar liar pants on fire!

Score: 9

cj07589
11:53am Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?cj07589

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Score: 4

elloello1980
12:02pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)elloello1980

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

Score: -7

JackJohnson
12:02pm Thu 22 May 14

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Oh, they do have some policies then?

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Oh, they do have some policies then?arlbergbahn

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Oh, they do have some policies then?

Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spun

[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Oh, they do have some policies then?[/p][/quote]Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spuncodlips

arlbergbahn wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Oh, they do have some policies then?

Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spun

Score: 6

elloello1980
12:40pm Thu 22 May 14

codlips wrote…

arlbergbahn wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Oh, they do have some policies then?

Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spun

again, such angry and emotional people.

Please disprove anything I have stated

[quote][p][bold]codlips[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]Oh, they do have some policies then?[/p][/quote]Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spun[/p][/quote]again, such angry and emotional people.
Please disprove anything I have statedelloello1980

codlips wrote…

arlbergbahn wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

Oh, they do have some policies then?

Yes they do but the policies he's quoted are utter tosh that he's picked up from the sh!te that labour and conservative have spun

again, such angry and emotional people.

Please disprove anything I have stated

Score: -6

livid99
1:11pm Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

Today I voted for the future of Britain by NOT voting UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]Today I voted for the future of Britain by NOT voting UKIP.livid99

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

Today I voted for the future of Britain by NOT voting UKIP.

Score: -3

elloello1980
11:23pm Thu 22 May 14

Round and round and round.....

Angry. Emotional. No hope of winning, thankfully

Round and round and round.....
Angry. Emotional. No hope of winning, thankfullyelloello1980

Round and round and round.....

Angry. Emotional. No hope of winning, thankfully

Score: -2

livid99
1:24pm Thu 22 May 14

For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....

For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....
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For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.[/p][/quote]The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).JamesYoung

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Score: 6

JamesYoung
1:38pm Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

UKIP's stance on the NHS is that they want it to remain free at the point of delivery, but want to privatise or "social enterprise" key areas. Restructure of management to elected officials in each area, with actual management delegated to doctors and reintroduced matrons. Free eye and dental care. Option to opt out of NHS and use "healthcare voucher" to buy private services (this happens to a limited extent today anyway).
I couldn't find any reference to cutting holiday and sick pay, but they want to cut employers national insurance contributions (which is great for small business and would stimulate jobs, but would require a crack down on large corporation tax avoidance to fund it). Ban on foreign language is not a UKIP policy but some rubbish that the mainstream parties have dreamt up.
All the crap that the other parties are spouting is really starting to annoy me. You can't have an honest debate when people play dirty.
UKIP would be vote worthy if, in my view, they had bothered developing detailed and costed policies and had got rid of the nut jobs in their party. That they haven't is a shame, because it would deny the Tories, Labour and that odious little Clegg opportunity to smear them with lies.

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]UKIP's stance on the NHS is that they want it to remain free at the point of delivery, but want to privatise or "social enterprise" key areas. Restructure of management to elected officials in each area, with actual management delegated to doctors and reintroduced matrons. Free eye and dental care. Option to opt out of NHS and use "healthcare voucher" to buy private services (this happens to a limited extent today anyway).
I couldn't find any reference to cutting holiday and sick pay, but they want to cut employers national insurance contributions (which is great for small business and would stimulate jobs, but would require a crack down on large corporation tax avoidance to fund it). Ban on foreign language is not a UKIP policy but some rubbish that the mainstream parties have dreamt up.
All the crap that the other parties are spouting is really starting to annoy me. You can't have an honest debate when people play dirty.
UKIP would be vote worthy if, in my view, they had bothered developing detailed and costed policies and had got rid of the nut jobs in their party. That they haven't is a shame, because it would deny the Tories, Labour and that odious little Clegg opportunity to smear them with lies.JamesYoung

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

UKIP's stance on the NHS is that they want it to remain free at the point of delivery, but want to privatise or "social enterprise" key areas. Restructure of management to elected officials in each area, with actual management delegated to doctors and reintroduced matrons. Free eye and dental care. Option to opt out of NHS and use "healthcare voucher" to buy private services (this happens to a limited extent today anyway).
I couldn't find any reference to cutting holiday and sick pay, but they want to cut employers national insurance contributions (which is great for small business and would stimulate jobs, but would require a crack down on large corporation tax avoidance to fund it). Ban on foreign language is not a UKIP policy but some rubbish that the mainstream parties have dreamt up.
All the crap that the other parties are spouting is really starting to annoy me. You can't have an honest debate when people play dirty.
UKIP would be vote worthy if, in my view, they had bothered developing detailed and costed policies and had got rid of the nut jobs in their party. That they haven't is a shame, because it would deny the Tories, Labour and that odious little Clegg opportunity to smear them with lies.

Score: 6

JamesYoung
1:41pm Thu 22 May 14

My honest view is that politics will only be sorted in this country if people have the capacity to evaluate for themselves the impacts of the things they are voting for. You need lessons to drive a car, but you can drive a country because you are swayed by whichever liar presents his lies in the best manner. Sorry to single out ElloEllo, but we have an electorate that have been told they are being taxed at 20% and another party is proposing to tax them more. If we don't even understand how tax effects us, how are we to understand the impact of wider policies. I seriously think that if everybody really understood how capital markets work, how government works, how the public sector works, none of the current crop of parties would win a single vote.

My honest view is that politics will only be sorted in this country if people have the capacity to evaluate for themselves the impacts of the things they are voting for. You need lessons to drive a car, but you can drive a country because you are swayed by whichever liar presents his lies in the best manner. Sorry to single out ElloEllo, but we have an electorate that have been told they are being taxed at 20% and another party is proposing to tax them more. If we don't even understand how tax effects us, how are we to understand the impact of wider policies. I seriously think that if everybody really understood how capital markets work, how government works, how the public sector works, none of the current crop of parties would win a single vote.JamesYoung

My honest view is that politics will only be sorted in this country if people have the capacity to evaluate for themselves the impacts of the things they are voting for. You need lessons to drive a car, but you can drive a country because you are swayed by whichever liar presents his lies in the best manner. Sorry to single out ElloEllo, but we have an electorate that have been told they are being taxed at 20% and another party is proposing to tax them more. If we don't even understand how tax effects us, how are we to understand the impact of wider policies. I seriously think that if everybody really understood how capital markets work, how government works, how the public sector works, none of the current crop of parties would win a single vote.

Score: 6

JamesYoung
1:54pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).JamesYoung

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).

Score: -3

livid99
1:57pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !livid99

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

Score: -6

cj07589
2:14pm Thu 22 May 14

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.cj07589

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

Score: 7

cj07589
2:20pm Thu 22 May 14

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).

Hi James, I'm not picking on anybody here. What has been posted is clearly made up fabricated lies intended for only one purpose. I specially checked the UKIP official website, how is it acceptable for non-UKIP supporters to make policies up to peddle a personal agenda and post them in the public dominion and not expect it to be picked up on?? Some fairness and equality wouldn't go amiss is that asking too much?.

[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).[/p][/quote]Hi James, I'm not picking on anybody here. What has been posted is clearly made up fabricated lies intended for only one purpose. I specially checked the UKIP official website, how is it acceptable for non-UKIP supporters to make policies up to peddle a personal agenda and post them in the public dominion and not expect it to be picked up on?? Some fairness and equality wouldn't go amiss is that asking too much?.cj07589

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

To be fair, CJ, none of the political parties are all that good at steering clear of lies, so its probably a little unfair to pick on ElloEllo :-).

Hi James, I'm not picking on anybody here. What has been posted is clearly made up fabricated lies intended for only one purpose. I specially checked the UKIP official website, how is it acceptable for non-UKIP supporters to make policies up to peddle a personal agenda and post them in the public dominion and not expect it to be picked up on?? Some fairness and equality wouldn't go amiss is that asking too much?.

Score: 8

golden_goose_egg
3:47pm Thu 22 May 14

where are the actual polling stations?

where are the actual polling stations?golden_goose_egg

where are the actual polling stations?

Score: -6

Bert Fry
3:56pm Thu 22 May 14

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.[/p][/quote]The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).[/p][/quote]Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.Bert Fry

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

Score: 6

cosmick
5:06pm Thu 22 May 14

You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same!

You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same!cosmick

You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same!

Score: 4

golden_goose_egg
4:31pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

I think the reason people don't like UKIP is precisely this attitude that causes supporters to respond to unfounded criticism with threats of informing the authorities and having the "offending articles" stricken off by the website administrators.

And not to say that it appeals to that kind of over-sensitive irrationality, I think there's a lot of double standards in UKIP - every other day a new headline about some bigot in the ranks that Farrage has to dismiss to maintain credibility, a distaste for bureaucracy but little to no regard for the poorer income bracket that typically support them. There's so much rhetorical embellishment that's so hard to swallow that if any other detractor takes the same approach with their criticism a supporter can only respond with this frustrated sense of impotence.

It certainly makes some of the other parties seem far more appealing to vote for.

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]I think the reason people don't like UKIP is precisely this attitude that causes supporters to respond to unfounded criticism with threats of informing the authorities and having the "offending articles" stricken off by the website administrators.
And not to say that it appeals to that kind of over-sensitive irrationality, I think there's a lot of double standards in UKIP - every other day a new headline about some bigot in the ranks that Farrage has to dismiss to maintain credibility, a distaste for bureaucracy but little to no regard for the poorer income bracket that typically support them. There's so much rhetorical embellishment that's so hard to swallow that if any other detractor takes the same approach with their criticism a supporter can only respond with this frustrated sense of impotence.
It certainly makes some of the other parties seem far more appealing to vote for.golden_goose_egg

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

I think the reason people don't like UKIP is precisely this attitude that causes supporters to respond to unfounded criticism with threats of informing the authorities and having the "offending articles" stricken off by the website administrators.

And not to say that it appeals to that kind of over-sensitive irrationality, I think there's a lot of double standards in UKIP - every other day a new headline about some bigot in the ranks that Farrage has to dismiss to maintain credibility, a distaste for bureaucracy but little to no regard for the poorer income bracket that typically support them. There's so much rhetorical embellishment that's so hard to swallow that if any other detractor takes the same approach with their criticism a supporter can only respond with this frustrated sense of impotence.

It certainly makes some of the other parties seem far more appealing to vote for.

Score: -7

elloello1980
5:04pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

"You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties"

oh dear

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.[/p][/quote]"You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties"
oh dearelloello1980

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

"You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties"

oh dear

Score: -3

elloello1980
5:01pm Thu 22 May 14

livid99 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.

All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.

All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.

Here's mine:
- world peace

It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you ![/p][/quote]Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.
All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.
All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.
Here's mine:
- world peace
It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.elloello1980

livid99 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.

All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.

All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.

Here's mine:
- world peace

It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.

Score: -4

elloello1980
5:06pm Thu 22 May 14

Bert Fry wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.

In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sure

[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.[/p][/quote]The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).[/p][/quote]Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.[/p][/quote]James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.
In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sureelloello1980

Bert Fry wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.

In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sure

Score: 0

Genghis
6:11pm Thu 22 May 14

Dorset Boy wrote…

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

What gives people the right to comment, complain or praise is the amount of taxes they pay and not whether they put an 'X' on a piece of paper.

...and yes, I have been to the polling station and voted.

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Boy[/bold] wrote:
I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.[/p][/quote]What gives people the right to comment, complain or praise is the amount of taxes they pay and not whether they put an 'X' on a piece of paper.
...and yes, I have been to the polling station and voted.Genghis

Dorset Boy wrote…

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

What gives people the right to comment, complain or praise is the amount of taxes they pay and not whether they put an 'X' on a piece of paper.

...and yes, I have been to the polling station and voted.

Score: -2

navelgazer
6:44pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.[/p][/quote]I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.
A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.
He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.
I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.navelgazer

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

Score: -2

Get a grip
6:44pm Thu 22 May 14

Dorset Boy wrote…

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

Just got back from voting.

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Boy[/bold] wrote:
I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.[/p][/quote]Just got back from voting.Get a grip

Dorset Boy wrote…

I hope that all the critics, moaners and groaners go out and vote today. If not, then don't complain when you do not agree with decisions that are made, be local council, goverment or Eu.

Just got back from voting.

Score: 1

woodsedge
7:21pm Thu 22 May 14

navelgazer wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.

[quote][p][bold]navelgazer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.[/p][/quote]I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.
A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.
He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.
I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.[/p][/quote]I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.woodsedge

navelgazer wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

I can agree, if everybody decided to post sensationalist lies and incorrect information to influence change in voting behaviour of others on the day of the elections then that is an extremely serious matter. You don't see UKIP supporter bad mouthing the other parties so why is that acceptable to a minority political party is double standards and simple not acceptable in a fair and tolerant democratic society.

I did see the vile posts that your fellow-ukip mate Sigurd posted last night. Now, thankfully removed.

A he's not been on here today, I presume that he has once again had an account closed down.

He, and those of his extremist and intolerant ilk, are the ukip nut-jobs that Farage is so concerned about.

I note that Farage is now talking about putting up quality candidate next time, so I presume that he is dreading what any successful candidates from this election will do between now and the General Election.

I wish the Echo had left those disgusting obscene messages on here. It really showed the deranged and disturbing mind of someone who other posters readily accept and say nothing about. Don't get me wrong, I give as good as I get, but last night Sigurd over stepped the mark in a worrying way and would not have said those remarks about my wife to my face. Getting back to the thread I am sure that UKIP will get the result we all knew they would on what I suspect will be a low turn out. The outcome will be that we will have more UKIP MEP's that will not represent the UK in Brussels, and the situation will not take us any further to the a in or out vote.

Score: -3

navelgazer
8:38pm Thu 22 May 14

D.shoreditch wrote…

If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?

I can vouch for it... I posted a message early this morning asking why the Echo hadn't deleted the posts.

When I got home this afternoon I saw that they had been removed.

If you want to know the obscenities that sigurd posted, you should contact the Echo.

[quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote:
If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?[/p][/quote]I can vouch for it... I posted a message early this morning asking why the Echo hadn't deleted the posts.
When I got home this afternoon I saw that they had been removed.
If you want to know the obscenities that sigurd posted, you should contact the Echo.navelgazer

D.shoreditch wrote…

If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?

I can vouch for it... I posted a message early this morning asking why the Echo hadn't deleted the posts.

When I got home this afternoon I saw that they had been removed.

If you want to know the obscenities that sigurd posted, you should contact the Echo.

Score: -5

D.shoreditch
8:26pm Thu 22 May 14

If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?

If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?D.shoreditch

If they had it might be more believable, but with your track record ?

Score: 3

woodsedge
8:59pm Thu 22 May 14

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.woodsedge

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

Score: -5

cj07589
10:00pm Thu 22 May 14

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.cj07589

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Score: 4

D.shoreditch
9:24pm Thu 22 May 14

I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.

Night all.

I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.
Night all.D.shoreditch

I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.

Night all.

Score: 4

navelgazer
9:30pm Thu 22 May 14

I was working late last night, but found myself periodically drawn back to the thread, reading the series of consecutive posts in disbelief.

Although most people appear under pseudonyms, the Echo has no way of stopping undesirable from returning under different or multiple e-mail addresses.

That really needs to change. If Echo staff actually read the comments section, please consider this:
Perhaps authentication by 'phone number would be a way of doing so. An 'offender' would not be able to open up new or multiple accounts with the same phone number.

Who knows, some contributors might be more responsible, and the standard of comments and debate might even improve.

I was working late last night, but found myself periodically drawn back to the thread, reading the series of consecutive posts in disbelief.
Although most people appear under pseudonyms, the Echo has no way of stopping undesirable from returning under different or multiple e-mail addresses.
That really needs to change. If Echo staff actually read the comments section, please consider this:
Perhaps authentication by 'phone number would be a way of doing so. An 'offender' would not be able to open up new or multiple accounts with the same phone number.
Who knows, some contributors might be more responsible, and the standard of comments and debate might even improve.navelgazer

I was working late last night, but found myself periodically drawn back to the thread, reading the series of consecutive posts in disbelief.

Although most people appear under pseudonyms, the Echo has no way of stopping undesirable from returning under different or multiple e-mail addresses.

That really needs to change. If Echo staff actually read the comments section, please consider this:
Perhaps authentication by 'phone number would be a way of doing so. An 'offender' would not be able to open up new or multiple accounts with the same phone number.

Who knows, some contributors might be more responsible, and the standard of comments and debate might even improve.

Score: 1

cj07589
9:31pm Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

livid99 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.

All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.

All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.

Here's mine:
- world peace

It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.

So you think it is entirely acceptable to fabricate/make up political policies on the hoof without a single shred of evidence or backup and your only justification in mitigation is it is for everybody else to disprove it? Are you for real or serious?
You refer to world peace, I trust then you appreciate a large portion of blame sits fairly with the EU whose rapid expansion ambitions and interference in Ukrainian and regional politics has been the underlining catalyst in the escalating civil unrest there. I find the misrepresentation and speculation of policies without detail disturbing, let alone the irony that they 'ukip' are only party that have highlighted the very grave risk to long term peace and democracy the EU now represents.

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.
Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)[/p][/quote]I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.
Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.
I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.
Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.[/p][/quote]Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you ![/p][/quote]Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.
All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.
All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.
Here's mine:
- world peace
It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.[/p][/quote]So you think it is entirely acceptable to fabricate/make up political policies on the hoof without a single shred of evidence or backup and your only justification in mitigation is it is for everybody else to disprove it? Are you for real or serious?
You refer to world peace, I trust then you appreciate a large portion of blame sits fairly with the EU whose rapid expansion ambitions and interference in Ukrainian and regional politics has been the underlining catalyst in the escalating civil unrest there. I find the misrepresentation and speculation of policies without detail disturbing, let alone the irony that they 'ukip' are only party that have highlighted the very grave risk to long term peace and democracy the EU now represents.cj07589

elloello1980 wrote…

livid99 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

UKIP supporters. such angry and emotional beings.

Please correct anything I have said, if you believe to be untrue ;)

I'm actually offended that such blatant lies and libellous defamation has been allowed to be posted in the public arena and will be considering referring you to the authorities to deal with if the echo fails to act accordingly.

Summary of UKIP European policies taken directly from the official website today:
Cutting a controlling immigration
Reducing fuel poverty
Lighter regulation for small businesses
No votes for prisoners
Reclaiming our waters
Saving tax payers money
Local homes for local families
A national not international health service. (Not mention of privatisation anywhere)
Trading globally
Cheaper petrol and diesel.

I've also checked the local manifesto and there is nothing of the lies that you mention.

Proving you are a truly disingenuous, politically motivated liar. Shame on you and I sincerely hope the Echo does the correct thing and removes your malicious lies and disinformation at the earliest opportunity.

Bit of an over-reaction matey. You seem very sensitive to any criticism of your beloved UKIP, (even though their unpleasant and racist views have been clearly exposed in public).
Threats like this seem a bit OTT when you seem to think it is ok to constantly insult other posters here by calling them liars and bigots for not having the same opinion as you !

Even if I was not put off UKIP by the party members, the supporters certainly put me off. anger and emotions cloud your thinking, clearly.

All that time, and you come back with "I'm offended", but no proof.

All my points are based on what UKIP party members have publically said (they all represent one party), not an absent/knocked up manifesto. It would be too easy to pick flaws if there was a detailed manifesto.

Here's mine:
- world peace

It's hard to say that's anything but a good mission, to achieve world peace. But I have no details as to how, as with UKIP.

So you think it is entirely acceptable to fabricate/make up political policies on the hoof without a single shred of evidence or backup and your only justification in mitigation is it is for everybody else to disprove it? Are you for real or serious?
You refer to world peace, I trust then you appreciate a large portion of blame sits fairly with the EU whose rapid expansion ambitions and interference in Ukrainian and regional politics has been the underlining catalyst in the escalating civil unrest there. I find the misrepresentation and speculation of policies without detail disturbing, let alone the irony that they 'ukip' are only party that have highlighted the very grave risk to long term peace and democracy the EU now represents.

Score: 6

cj07589
9:43pm Thu 22 May 14

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.cj07589

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Score: 2

navelgazer
9:45pm Thu 22 May 14

D.shoreditch wrote…

I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.

Night all.

Lets just say, very briefly, that last nights posts related to Woodsedge's wife (described in extremely offensive personal and physical terms) requiring certain attentions that Woodsedge couldn't manage, and how Sigurd would help her out.

I do have to smile though, at the immediate and often multiple, marking up of sigurds posts, and the marking down of down of posts that oppose his arguments. I draw my own conclusions from that.

[quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote:
I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.
Night all.[/p][/quote]Lets just say, very briefly, that last nights posts related to Woodsedge's wife (described in extremely offensive personal and physical terms) requiring certain attentions that Woodsedge couldn't manage, and how Sigurd would help her out.
I do have to smile though, at the immediate and often multiple, marking up of sigurds posts, and the marking down of down of posts that oppose his arguments. I draw my own conclusions from that.navelgazer

D.shoreditch wrote…

I did see him get deleted yesterday and come back, however I saw no comment that warranted deletion. At that time it seemed more like a politicaly motivated removal. As you say I guess he will be back at some point. it's not like he hasn't had to put up with a lot of abuse at times.

Night all.

Lets just say, very briefly, that last nights posts related to Woodsedge's wife (described in extremely offensive personal and physical terms) requiring certain attentions that Woodsedge couldn't manage, and how Sigurd would help her out.

I do have to smile though, at the immediate and often multiple, marking up of sigurds posts, and the marking down of down of posts that oppose his arguments. I draw my own conclusions from that.

Score: -3

woodsedge
9:50pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?woodsedge

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Score: -5

woodsedge
10:18pm Thu 22 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Well if you want a flavour google "sigurd hoeberth bed all wet"

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Well if you want a flavour google "sigurd hoeberth bed all wet"woodsedge

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Well if you want a flavour google "sigurd hoeberth bed all wet"

Score: -4

cj07589
10:19pm Thu 22 May 14

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope didn't see it sorry and it's not posted either but don't let stop you're stereotypical pigeon boxing of a certain political party.
We can all draw sensible conclusions from the media managed smear and disinformation campaign, aided and abetted by a few liberal extremists who have no interest in sensible debate free from ill-informed predujuices.

[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope didn't see it sorry and it's not posted either but don't let stop you're stereotypical pigeon boxing of a certain political party.
We can all draw sensible conclusions from the media managed smear and disinformation campaign, aided and abetted by a few liberal extremists who have no interest in sensible debate free from ill-informed predujuices.cj07589

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope didn't see it sorry and it's not posted either but don't let stop you're stereotypical pigeon boxing of a certain political party.
We can all draw sensible conclusions from the media managed smear and disinformation campaign, aided and abetted by a few liberal extremists who have no interest in sensible debate free from ill-informed predujuices.

Score: 5

cj07589
10:31pm Thu 22 May 14

livid99 wrote…

For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....

An example of the last governments tolerant liberal supporters mindset and we wonder why so many voters are disillusioned with the current political system.

[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote:
For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2014/05/
21/should-you-vote-u
kip-flowchart_n_5363
204.html?utm_hp_ref=
tw[/p][/quote]https://mobile.twitt
er.com/SteelvalleyUK
IP/status/4690175481
52119297/photo/1
An example of the last governments tolerant liberal supporters mindset and we wonder why so many voters are disillusioned with the current political system.cj07589

livid99 wrote…

For those last minute undecided voters, I suggest a look at this for some help on whether to "Vote UKIP !"....

An example of the last governments tolerant liberal supporters mindset and we wonder why so many voters are disillusioned with the current political system.

Score: 4

annotater
10:44pm Thu 22 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

only one word ... Pillock!

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]only one word ... Pillock!annotater

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

only one word ... Pillock!

Score: 5

livid99
9:24am Fri 23 May 14

cosmick wrote…

You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same!

Scaremongering at its worst. I used my vote to not for UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote:
You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same![/p][/quote]Scaremongering at its worst. I used my vote to not for UKIP.livid99

cosmick wrote…

You can vote today for your choice of party. Just remember if we stick with more of the same, the country can only go downhill at a faster rate than it is now!
If you vote one of the three main partys, please in a few years time dont moan.
There are places in this country where you would not want to live, and they will make (in time) Dorset the same!

Scaremongering at its worst. I used my vote to not for UKIP.

Score: -1

The Fish
12:11pm Fri 23 May 14

Dorset Boy wrote…

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

I like them with apple sauce

Waste of apple sauce :o)

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote:
Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.[/p][/quote]I like them with apple sauce[/p][/quote]Waste of apple sauce :o)The Fish

Dorset Boy wrote…

arlbergbahn wrote…

Why are people so resentful towards Brussels, anyway? I find they're tolerable with gravy.

I like them with apple sauce

Waste of apple sauce :o)

Score: 0

JamesYoung
12:35pm Fri 23 May 14

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.JamesYoung

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

Score: 0

JamesYoung
12:58pm Fri 23 May 14

elloello1980 wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.

In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sure

Do your numbers before forming conclusions, ElloEllo!
Bear in mind that this policy was written in 2010, when the personal allowance was £6475. So let's say you earned £18k. You'd have paid £3,656 in tax.
With a 31% flat rate on a personal allowance of 11,500, you'd have paid £2,015. Still feel hard done by?
I used to run a business and paid tax as i should. I could, however, have put my not insignificant billings through an offshore trust and paid no tax at all. That arrangement would have cost me 20% as payment to the clever accountants that run these schemes, but against a 42% tax rate, that might seem like value. As many in my industry found out, though, there is no guarantee that HMRC won't challenge these schemes and win, with big penalties and interest payments following. With a 31% tax rate, many more people would do the "honest" thing, because it's not worth the risk.
Understand something else - there are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the UK using these schemes. Bankers, football players, freelance journalists, IT contractors - and it is costing the country billions in lost taxes. And that's before you get to the real abusers - the "proper rich" and global corporations.
So a flat rate tax would work, but i'm not particularly in favour of it, since all income taxes are regressive. If you want to solve problems in this country, you need creative taxation. You could, for example, end income tax and instead put up VAT. This would give you far greater control over consumption (zero rate for healthy food and clean energy) and, because businesses would be collecting the tax as they do today, HMRC would probably only need to be half as expensive. Or you could introduce forms of land taxation, which ensure that land is used as it should be. Rather than sitting on it, people would be motivated to sell it, which would free up land for homes. Or you could do as they do in the Isle of Man and tax corporations in preference to individuals. I don't know what the correct answer is, but to Farage's credit, he is trying to push some creativity.

[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bert Fry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]elloello1980[/bold] wrote:
Make Britain, British!
If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)
Then get out and vote for UKIP![/p][/quote]I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?[/p][/quote]Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.[/p][/quote]The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).[/p][/quote]Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.[/p][/quote]James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.
In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sure[/p][/quote]Do your numbers before forming conclusions, ElloEllo!
Bear in mind that this policy was written in 2010, when the personal allowance was £6475. So let's say you earned £18k. You'd have paid £3,656 in tax.
With a 31% flat rate on a personal allowance of 11,500, you'd have paid £2,015. Still feel hard done by?
I used to run a business and paid tax as i should. I could, however, have put my not insignificant billings through an offshore trust and paid no tax at all. That arrangement would have cost me 20% as payment to the clever accountants that run these schemes, but against a 42% tax rate, that might seem like value. As many in my industry found out, though, there is no guarantee that HMRC won't challenge these schemes and win, with big penalties and interest payments following. With a 31% tax rate, many more people would do the "honest" thing, because it's not worth the risk.
Understand something else - there are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the UK using these schemes. Bankers, football players, freelance journalists, IT contractors - and it is costing the country billions in lost taxes. And that's before you get to the real abusers - the "proper rich" and global corporations.
So a flat rate tax would work, but i'm not particularly in favour of it, since all income taxes are regressive. If you want to solve problems in this country, you need creative taxation. You could, for example, end income tax and instead put up VAT. This would give you far greater control over consumption (zero rate for healthy food and clean energy) and, because businesses would be collecting the tax as they do today, HMRC would probably only need to be half as expensive. Or you could introduce forms of land taxation, which ensure that land is used as it should be. Rather than sitting on it, people would be motivated to sell it, which would free up land for homes. Or you could do as they do in the Isle of Man and tax corporations in preference to individuals. I don't know what the correct answer is, but to Farage's credit, he is trying to push some creativity.JamesYoung

elloello1980 wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

Bert Fry wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

elloello1980 wrote…

Make Britain, British!

If you want to:
- privatise the NHS
- Help private businesses make more profit by reducing holiday/sick pay, maternity/paternity leave
- reduce tax rates for the rich
- ban any language but English on the streets (excluding Nige's wife)

Then get out and vote for UKIP!

I'd also add contrary to your lies and disinformation UKIP wants to lower income tax for everybody but that doesn't fit your bigoted agenda and lies does it?

Whilst I can see the UKIP policy of a flat 31% tax rate advantageous for those in the 40 or 45% band I can't see how it'll help me on 20%.

The reason it will help you is that with lower taxes, there is less incentive for avoidance. Therefore, taxes should fall. The 31% cited by UKIP includes both tax and national insurance. You are probably paying 29% not 20%. Also, they planned to increase the tax free allowance by some margin - and make it transferrable between spouses, which is an excellent idea. If, for example, you earned £23k but your wife earned nothing, you would pay no tax or national insurance. That's the theory, and i read some years ago that there was some evidence that flat rate taxes did work (in Estonia i think - although i don't have the reference). That's the theory anyway.
To be frank, their tax policy is poorly thought out and i think this is a reflection of their focus on one issue. Personally i don't think Farage sees any realistic possibility of UKIP being asked to form a government, so hasn't bothered with the details. What he is very articulate about, and in my view right about, is the plague that is Brussels and the dangers of uncontrolled immigration (if you listened to that creep Clegg on TV last night, you'd think that Farage was Hitler).
Anyway, i won't be voting UKIP, i just thought i'd jump in and explain their policy as none of their supporters seem to want to :-).

Thanks James,
Does annoy me slightly that the political classes think that lowering a wealthy persons tax threshold will make him pay more but the same doesn't apply to average tax payers. I've got a much better idea, stop them avoiding the tax that they are clearly avoiding.

James has implied a 2% rise (29 to 31 in total), with the hope that taxes will be driven down.

In these tough times, a 2% increase is not welcome by the less off, I'm sure

Do your numbers before forming conclusions, ElloEllo!
Bear in mind that this policy was written in 2010, when the personal allowance was £6475. So let's say you earned £18k. You'd have paid £3,656 in tax.
With a 31% flat rate on a personal allowance of 11,500, you'd have paid £2,015. Still feel hard done by?
I used to run a business and paid tax as i should. I could, however, have put my not insignificant billings through an offshore trust and paid no tax at all. That arrangement would have cost me 20% as payment to the clever accountants that run these schemes, but against a 42% tax rate, that might seem like value. As many in my industry found out, though, there is no guarantee that HMRC won't challenge these schemes and win, with big penalties and interest payments following. With a 31% tax rate, many more people would do the "honest" thing, because it's not worth the risk.
Understand something else - there are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the UK using these schemes. Bankers, football players, freelance journalists, IT contractors - and it is costing the country billions in lost taxes. And that's before you get to the real abusers - the "proper rich" and global corporations.
So a flat rate tax would work, but i'm not particularly in favour of it, since all income taxes are regressive. If you want to solve problems in this country, you need creative taxation. You could, for example, end income tax and instead put up VAT. This would give you far greater control over consumption (zero rate for healthy food and clean energy) and, because businesses would be collecting the tax as they do today, HMRC would probably only need to be half as expensive. Or you could introduce forms of land taxation, which ensure that land is used as it should be. Rather than sitting on it, people would be motivated to sell it, which would free up land for homes. Or you could do as they do in the Isle of Man and tax corporations in preference to individuals. I don't know what the correct answer is, but to Farage's credit, he is trying to push some creativity.

Score: 1

riverbend
1:21pm Sat 24 May 14

An articulate, persuasive and credible argument. I've scanned that last post in the hope that I could pick a hole in it... but I can't.
Other commentators, you could learn a lot from James. You can get your point across without abusing anyone or allowing yourself to be drawn into an argument that no one will win.
Get your name on that ballot sheet as an independent next time James, you just never know what might happen.

An articulate, persuasive and credible argument. I've scanned that last post in the hope that I could pick a hole in it... but I can't.
Other commentators, you could learn a lot from James. You can get your point across without abusing anyone or allowing yourself to be drawn into an argument that no one will win.
Get your name on that ballot sheet as an independent next time James, you just never know what might happen.riverbend

An articulate, persuasive and credible argument. I've scanned that last post in the hope that I could pick a hole in it... but I can't.
Other commentators, you could learn a lot from James. You can get your point across without abusing anyone or allowing yourself to be drawn into an argument that no one will win.
Get your name on that ballot sheet as an independent next time James, you just never know what might happen.

Score: 0

woodsedge
10:40am Sun 25 May 14

sberth wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

A bit flexible with the facts there James.

Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.

So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.

I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.

You are a vile ill sad exscuse for a man and if you want to repeat the comments you made last week regarding my wife, face to face instead of hiding behind your keyboard, then just let me know. You are constantly being banned previously Cedric, Hoberth, Hoberth 2, woodsy wife, and now sberth. On each of those occasions you have made up lies, extreme misogynistic comments and now you have added inappropriate sexual comments. You bang on about manning up so here is your opportunity to debate face to face.

[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.[/p][/quote]A bit flexible with the facts there James.
Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.
So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.
I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.[/p][/quote]You are a vile ill sad exscuse for a man and if you want to repeat the comments you made last week regarding my wife, face to face instead of hiding behind your keyboard, then just let me know. You are constantly being banned previously Cedric, Hoberth, Hoberth 2, woodsy wife, and now sberth. On each of those occasions you have made up lies, extreme misogynistic comments and now you have added inappropriate sexual comments. You bang on about manning up so here is your opportunity to debate face to face.woodsedge

sberth wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

A bit flexible with the facts there James.

Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.

So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.

I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.

You are a vile ill sad exscuse for a man and if you want to repeat the comments you made last week regarding my wife, face to face instead of hiding behind your keyboard, then just let me know. You are constantly being banned previously Cedric, Hoberth, Hoberth 2, woodsy wife, and now sberth. On each of those occasions you have made up lies, extreme misogynistic comments and now you have added inappropriate sexual comments. You bang on about manning up so here is your opportunity to debate face to face.

Score: 0

woodsedge
4:57pm Sun 25 May 14

sberth wrote…

"hiding behind your keyboard". This coming from a man who uses a Pseudonym. Nuff said.

So no "manning up" from you then, I thought that was one of your life rules, being a real man! You can say whatever you want about me, but when you make obscene comments about my wife, you then over step the mark. The truth is unless someone is appeasing of agreeing with your view point, you attack them on a personal basis and when you then get the response you deserve, you then crawl back in the gutter making obscene sexual comments. Would you like to share the intellectual remarks you made regarding my wife or are they to disgusting for even you. And don't think you will bully me away the forum because you won't. There is only one way to treat a bully, even if they hide behind a keyboard.

[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
"hiding behind your keyboard". This coming from a man who uses a Pseudonym. Nuff said.[/p][/quote]So no "manning up" from you then, I thought that was one of your life rules, being a real man! You can say whatever you want about me, but when you make obscene comments about my wife, you then over step the mark. The truth is unless someone is appeasing of agreeing with your view point, you attack them on a personal basis and when you then get the response you deserve, you then crawl back in the gutter making obscene sexual comments. Would you like to share the intellectual remarks you made regarding my wife or are they to disgusting for even you. And don't think you will bully me away the forum because you won't. There is only one way to treat a bully, even if they hide behind a keyboard.woodsedge

sberth wrote…

"hiding behind your keyboard". This coming from a man who uses a Pseudonym. Nuff said.

So no "manning up" from you then, I thought that was one of your life rules, being a real man! You can say whatever you want about me, but when you make obscene comments about my wife, you then over step the mark. The truth is unless someone is appeasing of agreeing with your view point, you attack them on a personal basis and when you then get the response you deserve, you then crawl back in the gutter making obscene sexual comments. Would you like to share the intellectual remarks you made regarding my wife or are they to disgusting for even you. And don't think you will bully me away the forum because you won't. There is only one way to treat a bully, even if they hide behind a keyboard.

Score: -2

[deleted]
9:48am Sun 25 May 14

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.[/p][/quote]A bit flexible with the facts there James.
Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.
So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.
I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.sberth

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

A bit flexible with the facts there James.

Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.

So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.

I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.

Score: 0

[deleted]
9:57am Sun 25 May 14

[deleted]

Excuse typo's, in a hurry got to go out.sberth

Excuse typo's, in a hurry got to go out.

Score: 0

[deleted]
10:45am Sun 25 May 14

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[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.[/p][/quote]A bit flexible with the facts there James.
Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.
So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.
I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.[/p][/quote]You are a vile ill sad exscuse for a man and if you want to repeat the comments you made last week regarding my wife, face to face instead of hiding behind your keyboard, then just let me know. You are constantly being banned previously Cedric, Hoberth, Hoberth 2, woodsy wife, and now sberth. On each of those occasions you have made up lies, extreme misogynistic comments and now you have added inappropriate sexual comments. You bang on about manning up so here is your opportunity to debate face to face.[/p][/quote]Awww, White-knighting are we Woodsedge. Puffing your bruised ego up :-). You get what you dish out, if you can't handle it, don't dish it out.sberth

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

A bit flexible with the facts there James.

Woodsedge started it with his constant attacks and following me around every article I was posting on over a year ago. He would constantly slag off and name call people i linked to, calling them extremists even though the most common one was a disabled grandmother Erin pizzy, th eothers were PHD's even . He has never been willing to debate on those articles and will go to any length to undermine, his tactics are so well known a book of them has been written by men's rights groups. As for mangina, well any man who berates another man who is trying to stand up for men's and fathers rights while supporting provably dishonest information by feminists and groups which go around effectively calling all men rapists, is one in my book. I even got the leader of a political party on here to join in and when confronted Woodsedge just run away.

So get the facts a bit more right James. To be fair to all sides, It is compounded further of course by the Echo's own deep Bias when it comes to feminism and left wing issues, there gender and political bias with censorship has been documented and a public challenge laid out to the Editor, one which he has yet to find the backbone to accept. That along with people obviously making stuff u and messing with votes (as happened to the UKIP supporters yesterday) or making up other names to wind things up.

I only give what I get. If you want reasonable, I can do that, I haven't attacked you even though we disagree from time to time. I can assure you Woodsedge has never had or will ever have any intention of reasoned debate on the issues we have always fought over.

You are a vile ill sad exscuse for a man and if you want to repeat the comments you made last week regarding my wife, face to face instead of hiding behind your keyboard, then just let me know. You are constantly being banned previously Cedric, Hoberth, Hoberth 2, woodsy wife, and now sberth. On each of those occasions you have made up lies, extreme misogynistic comments and now you have added inappropriate sexual comments. You bang on about manning up so here is your opportunity to debate face to face.

Awww, White-knighting are we Woodsedge. Puffing your bruised ego up :-). You get what you dish out, if you can't handle it, don't dish it out.

Score: 2

[deleted]
10:47am Sun 25 May 14

[deleted]

"hiding behind your keyboard". This coming from a man who uses a Pseudonym. Nuff said.sberth

"hiding behind your keyboard". This coming from a man who uses a Pseudonym. Nuff said.

Score: 1

woodsedge
9:05pm Sun 25 May 14

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

James, in the early days of our debates we did disagree over some topics. That said over time I think we have reached a position where we still disagree over some topics, but I think it is safe to say that we agree over more issues than we disagree over. Over time I have actually grown to respect your opinion and thank you for your appraisal of Sigurd actions and name calling.

[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.[/p][/quote]'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?[/p][/quote]Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.[/p][/quote]Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.[/p][/quote]James, in the early days of our debates we did disagree over some topics. That said over time I think we have reached a position where we still disagree over some topics, but I think it is safe to say that we agree over more issues than we disagree over. Over time I have actually grown to respect your opinion and thank you for your appraisal of Sigurd actions and name calling.woodsedge

JamesYoung wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

cj07589 wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

Thanks navelgazer, the comments were the demented rambling's of someone who is either mentally ill or under the influence of alcohol or drugs. No doubt he will be back under another name, as I know for a fact that he has been removed from the forum on several occasions.

'Demented ramblings' really coming from you Woodsedge?? I've really have heard it all now, thanks for the laugh it did make me chuckle.

Did you see the comments? Have I ever verbally attacked your wife or family? Have I ever made any sexual innuendo about your wife? Have I ever made any obscene comments about your wife?

Nope I didn't see it sorry, but your reference used is rather ironic.

Woodsedge and i have disagreed frequently over the years. However, i have to say that Sigurd started all this nonsense a long time ago with words such as "mangina" directed at Woodsedge. Sigurd, on occasion, makes some points that i agree with, but he does, sadly, have a tendency to take things to extremes.

James, in the early days of our debates we did disagree over some topics. That said over time I think we have reached a position where we still disagree over some topics, but I think it is safe to say that we agree over more issues than we disagree over. Over time I have actually grown to respect your opinion and thank you for your appraisal of Sigurd actions and name calling.

Score: -2

[deleted]
8:44am Mon 26 May 14

[deleted]

Side stepped the, "Woodsedge hiding behind Pseudonym while accusing everyone else of it" bit again I see ;-)
I don't need to "man up, step up" or any such thing, they are nothing more than indoctrines for weak minded men used by Trad-con culture for control and feminist culture for shaming tactics. If you actually understood anything about the Men's rights movement you would already know how ferociously that sort of thing is rejected. However you have no intention of debate and never have , so how could you know? You are only too bust stalking every comment, undermining, name calling , in fact if anyone cares to look back far enough they will see everything you accuse others of, is exactly what you have been doing.
A good example here:
I asked Mike Buchanan from J4MB political party to come on here and take a look after months of your abuse and trying to undermine, you had EVERY opportunity afforded to you for debate and to act sensibly, you had never met or spoken to this man yet this is how you behaved....
Mike Buchanan says...5:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13
Woodsedge, do you believe posting the word 'Idiot' in this comment stream is a valid contribution? To me it seems an idiotic contribution, ironically. If you can only respond with personal attacks then you have the problem, not rjrimmer, david_divenghy, myself, nor others. The assaults on families by state officials have been documented so often by so many people.
Mike Buchanan says...11:24am Sun 1 Dec 13
Woodsedge, it's perfectly clear to me, and I'm sure to others too, that the thread hasn't been hijacked by anybody. You're presumably troubled by people telling the truth about the assaults on fathers and their children at the behest of vindictive mothers, as well as the truth about other family-related matters. Do you not have any substantive comments to make, by way of response to what these people are saying?
I don't know who's using 'sudonyms', presumably you mean 'pseudonyms'? Given that you use one too, it's a bit rich of you to comment on their use.
Even back then with a complete stranger your mind is shown clear, same old lies, ruses and tactics and name calling. You was given a clear and open opportunity to debate with the leader of a political party on issues you have been attacking constantly,
You ran away.
P.S Excellent result about UKIP eh :-)sberth

Side stepped the, "Woodsedge hiding behind Pseudonym while accusing everyone else of it" bit again I see ;-)

I don't need to "man up, step up" or any such thing, they are nothing more than indoctrines for weak minded men used by Trad-con culture for control and feminist culture for shaming tactics. If you actually understood anything about the Men's rights movement you would already know how ferociously that sort of thing is rejected. However you have no intention of debate and never have , so how could you know? You are only too bust stalking every comment, undermining, name calling , in fact if anyone cares to look back far enough they will see everything you accuse others of, is exactly what you have been doing.

A good example here:

I asked Mike Buchanan from J4MB political party to come on here and take a look after months of your abuse and trying to undermine, you had EVERY opportunity afforded to you for debate and to act sensibly, you had never met or spoken to this man yet this is how you behaved....

Mike Buchanan says...5:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Woodsedge, do you believe posting the word 'Idiot' in this comment stream is a valid contribution? To me it seems an idiotic contribution, ironically. If you can only respond with personal attacks then you have the problem, not rjrimmer, david_divenghy, myself, nor others. The assaults on families by state officials have been documented so often by so many people.

Mike Buchanan says...11:24am Sun 1 Dec 13

Woodsedge, it's perfectly clear to me, and I'm sure to others too, that the thread hasn't been hijacked by anybody. You're presumably troubled by people telling the truth about the assaults on fathers and their children at the behest of vindictive mothers, as well as the truth about other family-related matters. Do you not have any substantive comments to make, by way of response to what these people are saying?

I don't know who's using 'sudonyms', presumably you mean 'pseudonyms'? Given that you use one too, it's a bit rich of you to comment on their use.

Even back then with a complete stranger your mind is shown clear, same old lies, ruses and tactics and name calling. You was given a clear and open opportunity to debate with the leader of a political party on issues you have been attacking constantly,

You ran away.

P.S Excellent result about UKIP eh :-)

Score: 3

woodsedge
10:22am Mon 26 May 14

To start with I don't really care who Mike Buchanan is and he is totally relevant to my post that you have chosen to totally ignore.

So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.

Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.

I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, why don't you show these to Mike Buchansn or maybe I will e mail him your postings that I have retained. Let's see how that sits morally with the justice for men campaign.

Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me.

To start with I don't really care who Mike Buchanan is and he is totally relevant to my post that you have chosen to totally ignore.
So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.
Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.
I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, why don't you show these to Mike Buchansn or maybe I will e mail him your postings that I have retained. Let's see how that sits morally with the justice for men campaign.
Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me.woodsedge

To start with I don't really care who Mike Buchanan is and he is totally relevant to my post that you have chosen to totally ignore.

So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.

Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.

I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, why don't you show these to Mike Buchansn or maybe I will e mail him your postings that I have retained. Let's see how that sits morally with the justice for men campaign.

Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me.

Score: -1

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11:36am Mon 26 May 14

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[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
To start with I don't really care who Mike Buchanan is and he is totally relevant to my post that you have chosen to totally ignore.
So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.
Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.
I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, why don't you show these to Mike Buchansn or maybe I will e mail him your postings that I have retained. Let's see how that sits morally with the justice for men campaign.
Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah....what like the innuendos you made about double beds and kleenex at me.
Same old excuses and side-stepping, like the elections have shown, your kind are on the way out. I'll leave you to sit here and "man-up". Your wife chose her useful idiot well, i'll give her that.sberth

woodsedge wrote…

To start with I don't really care who Mike Buchanan is and he is totally relevant to my post that you have chosen to totally ignore.

So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.

Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.

I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, why don't you show these to Mike Buchansn or maybe I will e mail him your postings that I have retained. Let's see how that sits morally with the justice for men campaign.

Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me.

Blah blah blah....what like the innuendos you made about double beds and kleenex at me.

Same old excuses and side-stepping, like the elections have shown, your kind are on the way out. I'll leave you to sit here and "man-up". Your wife chose her useful idiot well, i'll give her that.

Score: 1

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11:37am Mon 26 May 14

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See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....sberth

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Score: 2

woodsedge
1:11pm Mon 26 May 14

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....[/p][/quote]Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?woodsedge

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

Score: -1

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1:33pm Mon 26 May 14

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[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....[/p][/quote]Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?[/p][/quote]You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.
Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)
i'm sure your master will be impressed.sberth

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.

Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)

i'm sure your master will be impressed.

Score: 1

woodsedge
3:57pm Mon 26 May 14

sberth wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.

Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)

i'm sure your master will be impressed.

Why do you think that everyone wants to get in the gutter with you? "Veiled threats of violence" and you call me a 15 year old! This is my last comment and I will leave the last word(as usual) to you. You have said more about your twisted character than I ever could, you made sexual innuendo and used revolting language against my wife, and you think you have the moral high ground! Just remember that it was you who is hiding behind their keyboard and you had the opportunity to explain yourself face to face, man to man and you decided to scurry back under your stone. Proud advert for male equality!

[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....[/p][/quote]Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?[/p][/quote]You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.
Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)
i'm sure your master will be impressed.[/p][/quote]Why do you think that everyone wants to get in the gutter with you? "Veiled threats of violence" and you call me a 15 year old! This is my last comment and I will leave the last word(as usual) to you. You have said more about your twisted character than I ever could, you made sexual innuendo and used revolting language against my wife, and you think you have the moral high ground! Just remember that it was you who is hiding behind their keyboard and you had the opportunity to explain yourself face to face, man to man and you decided to scurry back under your stone. Proud advert for male equality!woodsedge

sberth wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.

Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)

i'm sure your master will be impressed.

Why do you think that everyone wants to get in the gutter with you? "Veiled threats of violence" and you call me a 15 year old! This is my last comment and I will leave the last word(as usual) to you. You have said more about your twisted character than I ever could, you made sexual innuendo and used revolting language against my wife, and you think you have the moral high ground! Just remember that it was you who is hiding behind their keyboard and you had the opportunity to explain yourself face to face, man to man and you decided to scurry back under your stone. Proud advert for male equality!

Score: -1

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4:06pm Mon 26 May 14

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[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woodsedge[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote:
See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....[/p][/quote]Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?[/p][/quote]You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.
Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)
i'm sure your master will be impressed.[/p][/quote]Why do you think that everyone wants to get in the gutter with you? "Veiled threats of violence" and you call me a 15 year old! This is my last comment and I will leave the last word(as usual) to you. You have said more about your twisted character than I ever could, you made sexual innuendo and used revolting language against my wife, and you think you have the moral high ground! Just remember that it was you who is hiding behind their keyboard and you had the opportunity to explain yourself face to face, man to man and you decided to scurry back under your stone. Proud advert for male equality![/p][/quote]Just remember while accusing everyone else of hiding, you are the one doing it hiding behind a Pseudonym.
I don't call myself an advert for anything, i'm independent and I speak only for me.
I don't need permission ;-)sberth

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

woodsedge wrote…

sberth wrote…

See you still hide behind a Pseudonym, so much for your puffed up chest eh ;-) Hahaha....

Do you think I am stupid enough to give an idiot like you my name! Offer is still there, you name the time and place and I will meet you for a face to face discussion, or are you more comfortable hiding behind that keyboard? Time to 'man up' or do you not practise what you preach?

You won't give your name but you want to meet up? Bit of a contradiction to say the least. So you sit behind a fake name while accusing everyone else who disagrees with you of the same that just makes you a complete hypocrite.

Still you carry on puffing your chest up like a 15 year old and making veiled threats of violence, it wasn't hard to rattle your cage white knight ;-)

i'm sure your master will be impressed.

Why do you think that everyone wants to get in the gutter with you? "Veiled threats of violence" and you call me a 15 year old! This is my last comment and I will leave the last word(as usual) to you. You have said more about your twisted character than I ever could, you made sexual innuendo and used revolting language against my wife, and you think you have the moral high ground! Just remember that it was you who is hiding behind their keyboard and you had the opportunity to explain yourself face to face, man to man and you decided to scurry back under your stone. Proud advert for male equality!

Just remember while accusing everyone else of hiding, you are the one doing it hiding behind a Pseudonym.

I don't call myself an advert for anything, i'm independent and I speak only for me.

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