Some days ago the the community around the web sites KDE-Apps.org, KDE-Look.org, etc launched two new web sites: Qt-Apps.org and Qt-Prop.org.
Both sites will be a home for presenting Qt based applications like kde-apps.org already is for presenting KDE applications. The difference between both new sites is that Qt-Apps will be pure FLOSS only, while Qt-Prop is a home for proprietary software. The launch was done in cooperation with Trolltech.

I think its good as it is. New community sites do no harm. KDE-apps is a great success. I am however concerned that QT-apps integrate as bad into KDE as do Gnome apps. for instance the use of the top menu bar does not work with Scribus. For a DTP software that apple style menu on top bar really does make sense. I hope that someone would fork the QT-only apps and make KDE ones out of them.

> for me, i would like prefered Linux-app,
> what's the hell will all those qt, gtk, kdelibs, libgnome.

For me it matters. Being build on KDE means integrates with my desktop, use my other KDE services, reuse my KDE preferences, fonts, icons and color schemes. It means the file open dialog won't suck, help system looks what I know, features are not stripped to death and it'll reuse the kdelibs already loaded (instead of loading new libs). Until cross-desktop standards fix these issues I'll care.

I actually don't like the Gtk/Gnome apps that much, so I prefer to filter. It could apply a filter to the website, or use a separate website. Which one, I don't care, as long as I can exclude some app types.. ;)

You're speaking for yourself, and as we've seen from a load of comments from you in the past, you aren't in agreement with a lot of users. Lots of us do care about the toolkit. Lots of us do care about proprietary. For people who don't, wth are you doing using Linux?

Though your suggestion makes sence (qt-apps could aggregate submissions to both sites.. to remove posting redundancy), I think that we should be discouraging proprietary software. Creating the two sites in that manner is doing exactly that. In that line of thought, I wonder why create a qt-prop site at all? Just have qt-apps.org open to FLOSS submissions and leave it at that. I can't imagine qt-prop.org having the same community feel that qt-apps will have (and kde-apps has). There is a fair amount of bug fixing, patches, and new owner maintanence happening in kde-apps that wouldn't be present in a proprietary site.

first thing we should ban non-free content on kde-apps (and for that matter also on kde-look).

splitting the community between qt-apps and kde-apps is not really a great idea i think (you could have marked qt-only-apps on kde-apps a different color...). espiecially since kde-apps will be more portable soon...

anyway getting rid of non-free content on our community sites would be much more important!

There are a lot of strong feeling about this idea. Some people are for it. Some people are against it. Some people seem to think RMS spends his time test-running coffins.

I wish people could sit back and look at this discussion (and MANY MANY others) in a broader context.

Freedom is important. It's very important. OTOH, I have a hard time with the obvious anger and passion of the hard-core free-software zealots. Look around the world. Put things into a broader perspective. I'm going to save my passion and vitriol for stopping the war in Iraq (Yes, I'm an American), global poverty, global warming, etc.

In the meantime, I will continue to contribute and participate in the Free Software movement. In time, free software will win because it's rules defy the traditional laws of economics. So relax, make a donation to one more cause, and let's write some kick-ass software.