I've tried 4 TDs, and other than one stiff 171 S-TD, they've been pretty much like you described. Not much turn, at least at first, will hold an anhyzer for ages, very good glide. My max weight C-TD and my friend's brand new high 160s S-TD are pretty identical, reliable, controllable turn. My gummy champystar max weight S-TD is beaten in and turns more, fades even less and is my favorite hyzerflipper. Terrific disc.

The stiff 171 S-TD is another disc altogether. Very high PLH compared to the others, very little turn, starts to fade very soon but the angle doesn't really steepen, meaning it'll glide a very long way to the left (RHBH). Very much like a high PLH Opto Vision. Don't really know what to do with this one, so I don't do anything with it.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

What are the differences and similarities to Roadrunners now that people have had more time with the TDs and possibly broken them in? How much did the TDs change and how fast?

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

JR wrote:What are the differences and similarities to Roadrunners now that people have had more time with the TDs and possibly broken them in? How much did the TDs change and how fast?

I beat my red one in by throwing it against a concrete wall 30 odd times and then throwing sliders around in a tunnel for half an hour. It did turn more understable but honestly not that much. Seems to me they don't really break in that fast/much.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

we demo'd the S's. found it was a more stable roadrunner but i thought its glide was pretty poor (similar to an avenger ss but maybe a touch more hss). could also probably compare it to a slightly shorter beast that requires more power or an EL that requires a lot more power to fly about the same distance. here's the odd thing though... we found it required a lot of speed to get it complete an s-curve but at the same time it flew straight (albeit not super far) with hardly any power.

like... on a 250' throw it was a HSS 0 LSS +2. it took like 340'+ power to get it to really start turning more than a -1 HSS. at 460'+ power it started going -2/-2.5 HSS w/ +1 LSS. but 460' of power only translated into 420-430' with the S-TD.

if my guess is correct it's just a roadrunner bottom w/ the PD/DD/CD top.

the thing i liked best about it was when it came in i put it in a nutsac bag and had some fun 3rd grade humor.

Will Aubrey wrote:They are pretty similar. But I guess that makes sense, just kind of verifies that we are both on the right track LOL. What do you think of my comparison of the TD to the Avenger?

Most Avengers I've thrown have been more overstable than the TD and a little shorter, but all in all I'd agree that the TD flies closer to the Avenger than the Roadrunner. Speaking of Avengers, the TD actually reminds me a little of the Crystal Z Avenger SS I had for a short time.

I put a new one of these in my bag for the understable fairway slot. I haven't thrown it yet, but it doesn't sound like it would be a suitable replacement for my champion leopard. I was looking for something that will fly a little farther and not turn so drastically when thrown harder, but not something that sounds like a straight or stable flyer at high speeds

Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. -Lou Holtz -

victorb wrote:I put a new one of these in my bag for the understable fairway slot. I haven't thrown it yet, but it doesn't sound like it would be a suitable replacement for my champion leopard. I was looking for something that will fly a little farther and not turn so drastically when thrown harder, but not something that sounds like a straight or stable flyer at high speeds

Unless the one you got is much more understable it is not a good replacement for a Leo. Best Leo replacement I've found so far is a River.