Cheradenine ZakalweAs someone who was born here in South Africa and has lived here all my life I can say all this “white genocide” stuff is total shit.

You people are quick to judge and eat up information without considering anything else.

Yes it is true that white people do get killed in this country. But black folks also get killed, and in higher numbers.

Those of you who have not actually lived here during these times and experienced the change will not be able to understand and so you speculate – often based on swayed and false information.

The truth is that there was once an extremely racist government which brainwashed it’s citizens into believing all sorts of garbage in order to preserve itself. Other human beings saw through this bullshit and acted accordingly to change this country.After Mandela, things did not get better.

Greed soon took over and we have been plunged into a sea of corrupt government officials and parties who only seek their own benefit over the benefit (and thus progression) of all SA people.

To say Mandela served the jews etc is only highlighting your own prejudice and racism amongst the complete lack of understanding you have.

The ANC has turned bad over the years and they now only seek to line their pockets with tax payers’ money.What you don’t see (or what your inherent racism prevents you from seeing) is how Mandela completely changed the way South Africans see each other and enabled us to start working together despite the past atrocities.

Yes of course a few still cling to their bitterness and thus act out. But who are they? Intolerant, racist persons hell-bent on not changing their ways. After all, when you are taught to hate from birth – it becomes hard to change.

The fact is that South Africans now live together more so than we did during the racist government. Oh and also – a LOT of black folks here HATE the ANC and what they have done (or in fact, what they haven’t done) over the years since Mandela.

You simply don’t know what you are talking about, and you continue to spread messages of hate as if that is gonna solve a god damn thing.

Black people here are in fact WORSE OFF than they were previously and that has got to do with the GREEDY government – NOT Mandela. Our current president has cost us so much money that major governmental change is inevitable.

Mandela took action because after years of progressing in law and finally starting SA’s first black law firm – a new government assumed power and decided that black people were now sub-human and thus had no rights. So he stood up and fought against it.Yes he represented black people because they were the ones who were targeted.However his loyalty was to ALL people of this country – black or white or brown or whatever way you seek to separate the human race.

No one is perfect. And people will act out when pushed into a corner and poked.Fact is, Mandela stood up for us all – not just black people.

In fact, over my lifetime I only know of one single event where a white friend of mine was killed by “brown” people. But even then, when the situation is examined we learn the reason was certainly not because of skin color or race but because of this terrible system of material goods.

The problems here are simply bigger than racism or any other trivial infantile reason that you claim.

I've never said anything even remotely resembling the claim that "Mandela served the Jews". In fact, in a previous post, I highlighted his affinity with Islam and the so-called Palestinians.

You admit that things have got worse since Apartheid ended but refuse to consider the possibility that that state of affairs calls into question the wisdom of the policy itself. Both the Europeans and non-Europeans were materially better off under Apartheid. But you are willing to accept this loss of material well-being in exchange for some immaterial feel-good voodoo.

You also attribute the failings of the new negro-dominated state to corruption but refuse to consider that this corruption is itself, in part, an inevitable consequence of an ethnically fractured society, because of the inbuilt human tendency to empathise differentially with members of their own kin group compared to others, meaning that they lack the sense of a stake in the society as a whole. Likewise, you refuse to consider the possibility that the failings of the new state relate in any way to the inherent qualities of negroes.

"Yes it is true that white people do get killed in this country. But black folks also get killed, and in higher numbers."

Whites are killed predominantly by blacks, and blacks are killed predominantly by blacks. Does that somehow make it OK? Are you insane? Have you been coerced to believe this bullshit coming out of your mouth thanks to brainwashing from a very young age thanks to your SA education?

Action A never excuses action B regardless of their similarity. To use such an argument is known as a tu quoque fallacy.

If so we can say "Well, the Japanese had kamikaze pilots who flew into planes, therefore suicide bombers who murder women and children waiting at bus stops are justified." Do you see how absurd that sounds yet?

By 1987 Israel found itself the only developed nation in the world that still maintained strong, even strategic relations with apartheid South Africa, which was now entering its final throes. (Among African nations, only Malawi maintained diplomatic relations with South Africa throughout the Apartheid era.)[27]

Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi wrote in 1988 that the alliance between South Africa and Israel was one of the most underreported news stories of the past four decades and that Israel played a crucial role in the survival of the apartheid regime.[28] Israel's collaboration with Apartheid South Africa was mentioned and condemned by various international organizations like the UN General assembly (several times since 1974).[29]

What then explains the abnormally high black-on-white murder/rape rate here in the USA and everywhere else Africans are to be found? Why does SA have THE highest rape rate on the planet?

Try getting this through your anti-racist skull:

It will be seen that when we classify mankind by colour the only one of the primary races, given by this classification, which has not made a creative contribution to any one of our twenty-one civilizations is the Black race. -- Dr. Arnold Toynbee, Historian

In most if not all of the newly independent Black nations of Africa, little if anything during the past 5000 or more years can be pointed to as having made a contribution that in any way enhances the life of man. -- Walter Arnold, The Evolution of Man in Relation to That of the Earth, Part V, The Mankind Quarterly, Vol. X, No.2 (Oct-Dec 1969) p. 78.

The major cause for American Negroes intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin and thus not remedial to a major degree by improvement in environment. -- Dr. William Shockley, Stanford University, Nobel Prize winner

Never yet could I find that a Black had uttered a thought above the level of plain narration... never saw an elementary tract of painting or sculpture. -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

Black people never founded a government nor made a single step toward civilization that did not soon lapse in barbarism, except under the fostering care and guidance of White people. -- Thomas Hardwick, U.S. Congressman

Whatever may be the sociological value of the legal fiction that 'all men are born free and equal,' there can be no doubt that in its biological application, at any rate, this statement is one of the most stupendous falsehoods ever uttered by man through his misbegotten gift of articulate speech. -- Dr. Earnest Hooton, Professor of Anthropology, Harvard University

As a social anthropologist, I naturally accept and even stress the fact that there are major differences, both mental and psychological, which separate the different races of mankind. Indeed, I would be inclined to suggest that however great may be the physical differences between such races as the European and the Negro, the mental and psychological differences are greater still. -- L. S. B. Leakey, in The Progress and Evolution of Man in Africa (Oxford University Press), 1961.

See the two comments below. Try to escape your tunnel vision about Jews. Of all Western nations ONLY ISRAEL stood with SA. Again, you have taken the MacDonald view of a monolithic, highly religious, cult-like view of Jews. May I ask your IQ level?

I hate that Mandela nigger, I hate those niggers who killed that innocent Somali. I wish that that I had a belt fed weapon to wipe those niggers off the face of the earth. I honestly do not care if the victim is white, black, asian, indian, whatever. I hate evil and I want that evil destroyed with righteous fury.

I wonder what 'inherent qualities of negroes' you are referring to. Even admitting that some things are worst than under apartheid that's certainly not an argument for calling for its reestablishment, just because you admit that things in Russia were better under Communism doesn't mean we have to reestablish the totalitarian dictatorship. Murders of white farmers are of course an issue but it has to be examined outside of the usual emotional reactions and it certainly must not be exploited to tarnish blacks* in general. Some facts needs to be reminded:-Afrikaners have lower victimizations rate than any other ethnic groups in South Africa-Crime in South Africa has been dropping over the last years. The actual trend of crime begun in the mid-80's which means that crime was already increasing under the so-call 'white rule' !

*I don't use the term 'negro' not because I find it "offensive" but because I, like John Derbyshire, find it too archaic. You once said that "blacks" is a too general because it might designate other dark-skinned people but as far as I know when we use the term 'Blacks' we always hear it in the sense to designate people of sub-Saharan African type.

To Anonymous 16:40 :

No Apartheid didn't prevent political violence between blacks. In the 70's and 80's you've had many clashes between the Inkatha and the ANC sometimes which could be very bloody.

I wasn't referring to any specifically. It was an abstraction. Some people would suggest that negroes are inherently more violent and less intelligent than non-negroes. I haven't reached a definitive conclusion about that but I am certainly not willing to exclude the possibility a priori because of the false dogmas of the Equality Cult.

Why "must" the murders of white farmers not be "exploited" to tarnish blacks in general? Who are you to tell people what arguments they are allowed to make?

I think you picked the wrong name. The use of the word "must" in phrases like that is typical of Komment Macht Frei on the Guardian.

I've discussed the use of the term black before. You can find detailed references elsewhere on the site. I assure it is sometimes used, at least in Britain, to designate virtually any "people of colour". Yasmin Alibai Brown often uses it in that way, for example.