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Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

I know this topic is very popular and people always denied sasuke tsukyomi capabilities but look at these photos below.

Sasuke use tsukyomi on one of the cloud ninja inorder to find killerbee location.Note that Sasuke activated MS and use only his left eyes when casting the genjutsu
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The same pattern sasuke use against killerbee (his right eyes was open and ms was activated)

this picture show emphasize on the same side of the eyes use to cast tsukyomi.I know it show that sasuke using base sharingan but Madara have show use that the user can still use ms skill without sharingan,this mean sasuke could still cast tsukyomi with his base sharingan activated.In addition,after sasuke did use tsukyomi on shii,why did his eyes hurt him?Shii was immobilize for a good period of time which mean it was not a normal genjutsu.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Sigh, here we go again.

Now answer me this: When Sasuke and Itachi were fighting Kabuto, why did Sasuke use "Genjutsu: Sharingan" instead of Tsukuyomi? I know why; because he simply doesn't have it. He said himself that those who awaken both MS eyes can use Susano'o. His right eye is Amaterasu and his left eye is Enton, which manipulates Amaterasu.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Yānks.

Sigh, here we go again.

Now answer me this: When Sasuke and Itachi were fighting Kabuto, why did Sasuke use "Genjutsu: Sharingan" instead of Tsukuyomi? I know why; because he simply doesn't have it. He said himself that those who awaken both MS eyes can use Susano'o. His right eye is Amaterasu and his left eye is Enton, which manipulates Amaterasu.

Amaterasu + Enton (two MS abilities) = Susano'o.

His skill in the technique is low, so he uses Genjutsu he does have skill in. If you are more skilled with a sword than bow and arrow, wouldn't you use the sword instead even though the bow and arrow has advantages over a sword?

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Rikerslade

Uh what? You do realize Enton isn't a Mangekyo power right?

Enton is the manipulation of Amaterasu the same way Tsukuyomi is the manipulation of Sharingan Genjutsu. It's pretty simple really. Sasuke isn't as skilled with genjutsu as itachi was so he "doesn't have" Tsukuyomi technically, the same way Itachi "doesn't have" Enton.

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Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

To put it simply Sasuke has the capability to use tsukuyomi, but it is not at the masterful form of Itachi's which can even manipulate time and therefore can not be categorized as Tsukuyomi. (Which is why Kishi never put "Tsukuyomi" up there when ever Sasuke used the technique)

The symptoms fit and it is pure BS if you think that normal genjustu can cause MS pain.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Draphsin

Amaterasu

Enton

Susanoo

Those are sasuke's three mangekyou powers, he does not have four. He only has a regular sharingan genjutsu.

so how itachi can control amaterasu flames against Sasuke?Itachi use amaterasu to trace sasuke while he was running,will you say it blaze release control?itachi also put out the flame on sasuke body to receive his eyes,will u say it also blaze release control?I believe both sasuke and itachi have the same ms abilities(tsukyomi,blaze release ,amaterasu and susano) but they master different or specialise on certain ms skill over the other since ms is limited(user go blind eventually)

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Uchicha Macho

so how itachi can control amaterasu flames against Sasuke?Itachi use amaterasu to trace sasuke while he was running,will you say it blaze release control?itachi also put out the flame on sasuke body to receive his eyes,will u say it also blaze release control?I believe both sasuke and itachi have the same ms abilities(tsukyomi,blaze release ,amaterasu and susano) but they master different or specialise on certain ms skill over the other since ms is limited(user go blind eventually)

Can Itachi shape the Amaterasu into things like arrows,swords,etc?No,because only Sasuke can do that.Whenever Sasuke uses Amaterasu he manipulates the flames with his opposite eye.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Rikerslade

His skill in the technique is low, so he uses Genjutsu he does have skill in. If you are more skilled with a sword than bow and arrow, wouldn't you use the sword instead even though the bow and arrow has advantages over a sword?

Then why does Sasuke have to use his left eye to use Enton, which is supposed to have Tsukuyomi, and not his right then?

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Uchicha Macho

so how itachi can control amaterasu flames against Sasuke?Itachi use amaterasu to trace sasuke while he was running,will you say it blaze release control?itachi also put out the flame on sasuke body to receive his eyes,will u say it also blaze release control?I believe both sasuke and itachi have the same ms abilities(tsukyomi,blaze release ,amaterasu and susano) but they master different or specialise on certain ms skill over the other since ms is limited(user go blind eventually)

Sasuke literally turned his flames into spikes, being able to control the direction of amaterasu & extinguishing amaterasu are all part of that jutsu, enton is specifically manipulation of the flames that are already there.

Then there's the fact that Itachi has never uttered the word "enton" which is the name of the jutsu.

Plus it's all done with one eye for Itachi, sasuke uses both for ama/enton.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Necromancer4276

Enton is the manipulation of Amaterasu the same way Tsukuyomi is the manipulation of Sharingan Genjutsu. It's pretty simple really. Sasuke isn't as skilled with genjutsu as itachi was so he "doesn't have" Tsukuyomi technically, the same way Itachi "doesn't have" Enton.

Sasuke's MS powers aren't Amaterasu and Enton as people suggest.

No dude. Enton is not a power that originates or lies within the Mangekyo. A common misconception is that Enton is the ability to control Amaterasu, this isn't true. Enton is an Advanced Nature Release. So far, one technique has been shown within this Nature Release, and that is Kagutsuchi. This is the technique that allows the user to manipulate Amaterasu. Enton is channeled through the eyes to perform Kagutsuchi, just like how Katon is channeled through the eyes to perform Amaterasu.

We know Kagutsuchi is the Mangekyo power and not Enton, since Enton has the suffix "-ton", along with all other Nature Releases, while Kagutsuchi follows the theme of Mangekyo powers having god-like names, as Kagutsuchi is the god of fire in Japanese mythology. Ever notice how there's never been an occasion Sasuke manipulated the flames without saying "Kagutsuchi" along with Enton?

Sasuke's powers with Mangekyo are the same as Itachi's: Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, and Kagutsuchi. Before you guys say "Oh my God, how can they have four powers!", it was never stated there's a certain number of powers that a Mangekyo can have(Shisui had the same one in both eyes, and Obito's have two variants of one ability), and Itachi displayed Kagutsuchi when he put out the Amaterasu on Sasuke. However, Sasuke and Itachi's skills in Kagutsuchi and Tsukiyomi is reversed, with Itachi being vastly skilled in the Genjutsu, but Sasuke being better in the ninjutsu. I hope this clears it up.

Re: Trends of Sasuke could use tsukyomi

Originally Posted by Rikerslade

No dude. Enton is not a power that originates or lies within the Mangekyo. A common misconception is that Enton is the ability to control Amaterasu, this isn't true. Enton is an Advanced Nature Release. So far, one technique has been shown within this Nature Release, and that is Kagutsuchi. This is the technique that allows the user to manipulate Amaterasu. Enton is channeled through the eyes to perform Kagutsuchi, just like how Katon is channeled through the eyes to perform Amaterasu.

We know Kagutsuchi is the Mangekyo power and not Enton, since Enton has the suffix "-ton", along with all other Nature Releases, while Kagutsuchi follows the theme of Mangekyo powers having god-like names, as Kagutsuchi is the god of fire in Japanese.

Sasuke's powers with Mangekyo are the same as Itachi's: Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o, and Kagutsuchi. Before you guys say "Oh my God, how can they have four powers!", it was never stated there's a certain number of powers that a Mangekyo can have(Shisui had one in each eye, and Obito's have two variants of one ability), and Itachi displayed Kagutsuchi when he put out the Amaterasu on Sasuke. However, Sasuke and Itachi's skills in Kagutsuchi and Tsukiyomi is reversed, with Itachi being vastly skilled in the Genjutsu, but Sasuke being better in the ninjutsu. I hope this clears it up.

No MS useer has ever shown the ability of having four different powers at once.Itachi can't manipulate Amaterasu into shapes like Sasuke so he does'nt have Kagutsuchi.