<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:38 PM, aestetix aestetix <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com">aestetix@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Is the electrical usage a concern, or just an observation?<div><br></div><div>If there have been an influx of new people, and you (the general you) see someone around, why not ask them if they&#39;ve considered putting in a membership application? I wonder how many people come by and don&#39;t even know they can become a member, and have no idea how to contribute towards the space.</div>
</blockquote><div><br>The answer is *lots*. And the biggest confusion is that *you don&#39;t need to become a full member to donate*. Lots of people don&#39;t want to become a full member, which can be a
little long-winded, but still want to give something to Noisebridge and
the community. You can set up a monthly donation for <a href="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Member%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=10&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" class="external text" title="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Member%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=10&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" rel="nofollow">$10/mo</a> <a href="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Member%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=20&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" class="external text" title="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Member%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=20&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" rel="nofollow">$20/mo</a><a href="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Hacker%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=40&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" class="external text" title="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%20Hacker%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=40&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" rel="nofollow">$40/mo</a><a href="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=80&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" class="external text" title="https://www.paypal.com/subscriptions/business=treasurer@noisebridge.net&amp;item_name=Noisebridge%20Monthly%20Donation%20%28Affiliate%29&amp;cy_code=USD&amp;a3=80&amp;p3=1&amp;t3=M&amp;src=1" rel="nofollow">$80/mo</a> or <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Donate_or_Pay_Dues" title="Donate or Pay Dues">any amount you like</a>.
<br> <br>I was thinking about creating a little (physical) card explaining this, because I think the social awkwardness of asking people to donate is hard to overcome without a bit of help. Anyone a designer who would like to help with this?<br>
<br>d.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>

<div>On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:24 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
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<p>If anything I would say overall use of the sewing machines has declined over the last year; it used to be much harder to get time on the single needle.</p>
<p>In the last year we have acquired some big hogs:<br>
-vending machine<br>
-second fridge<br>
-lazor</p>
<p>As well as, in my estimation, slightly increasing kitchen use and steadily increasingly large numbers of people that are soldering on mondays. Also, just MORE users. If we are charging 20 more laptops every week that could add up, no?</p>

<p>IMNSHO all commendable uses of the space (well, except maybe the vending machine, curious what the ROI is there when it&#39;s adjusted for power consumption).</p>
<p></p></blockquote></div><div><br>The vending machine actually brings in a fair amount of money. <br><br>Just to clarify, we&#39;re not really looking at a huge increase here: I don&#39;t think we have to change much at all to accommodate it.<br>

<p>Maybe we can find a way to blame the hippies.</p>
<p>Maybe we can find a way to more prominently solicit donations.</p>
<p><a href="http://mediumreality.com" target="_blank">mediumreality.com</a></p><div><div></div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 24, 2011 6:27 PM, &quot;Bruce Wolfe&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com" target="_blank">brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; How about WiFi webcams with white LEDs pointing onto the meters? Then you<br>

&gt; can walk around the space with a smartphone even, unplugging devices and<br>&gt; don&#39;t need the additional humans in the creepy basement.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; How many new servers were installed lately, too? Remember, that data centers<br>

&gt; charge for rackspace based on power consumption.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have to say that kitchen appliances and anything that is AC motorized will<br>&gt; probably be the culprit. Sorry, fabric-hackers, maybe sewing machines.<br>

&gt; <br>&gt; Good luck.<br>&gt; Bruce<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Danny O&#39;Brien &lt;<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; We have mechanical meters, I think the smart meters are due in the next<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Good idea. A variant is to unplug the suspect device<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; and plug it into something that measures Amps (e.g. a<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; variac). What this will yield is a snapshot of amps.<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; What&#39;s additionally needed is to know the amount of use<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; during a billing period.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; A gizmo such as Andy&#39;s suggestion (we have one buried<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; behind the refridge next to the vending machine) can show<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; power usage for a time period. (I saw it but didn&#39;t want<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; to move all the stuff necessary so&#39;s to retrieve it--if<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; someone does retrieve it, maybe it&#39;d be good to have a<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; well-known storage place for it or the note someone would<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; write to indicate it&#39;s current working location.)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; I suspect the cooking stuff as the primary sucker of<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; power and NB money: can cookers tell if there&#39;s been<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; greater use of that stuff in the last three months over<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; the previous quarter?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>

&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; a human chain to relay the message up and down or maybe just plain old<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; two cans and string.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Bruce<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>