so you lost to them instead? or were you making your way to the top while they were already there?

I meant from one of them. imagine if the second player was a played victory. and the player coming second won a lot other games. and we were very close and a victory and lose for him would get me second. and the best in the tournament just gave him a draw in last round so he would get second and he would secure his first place.

Here is what I think. If you have played well enough to be in a position to accept a draw either for clear first place [I have done this] or for a tie for first place it is entirely your perogrative what you will do as you have EARNED [by your good play] the right to make a decission which may only benefit you. [rare I am in agreement with Reb! ]

Here is what I think. If you have played well enough to be in a position to accept a draw either for clear first place [I have done this] or for a tie for first place it is entirely your perogrative what you will do as you have EARNED [by your good play] the right to make a decission which may only benefit you. [rare I am in agreement with Reb! ]

another person may have been in the same place in the last round. so how you are paired decides whether or not you earned the second place?

maybe the tournament doesn't even pair you with the same players.

if there is 9 people in a tournament and 7 rounds not everybody can meet eachother.

if the winner of the tournament meet you in the first round he may have just won but because you meet him in last round he gives you are draw because he already won.

bobby what is your point? I have never been in a 7 round tournament with only 9 players. How about talking about real situations?

it is very real I have been to a lot of tournaments and in the tournament there may be 25 players but they are split into sections.

the players are devided into 3 sections. 2 sections with 8 players and one group with 9 people. each play to win. all sorted by rating.

before I took a break from chess I had a lot of otb games tournaments

there is not many people showing up to a tournament. sometimes only 10 and sometimes 25 if we are lucky. if you play the switz system you can have them all in one big group but if you play monrad what we do most you are only a limited amount of people in a 7 round tournament.

28

Gråsten/K 2011

07-04-2011

1606

-37

-

1434

27

Grenzturn 10-11

18-03-2011

1422

-54

-

1474

26

Hold 4hk 2010/1

15-03-2011

1422

-81

-

1528

25

Alssund/E 2010

07-12-2010

1422

144

-

1606

24

Tønder By 2010

08-11-2010

1422

11

-

1465

23

Slotsturn. 2010

11-11-2010

1422

32

1454

22

Løgumkloster 10

11-05-2010

1361

56

-

1422

21

Gråsten/K 2010

15-04-2010

1333

5

-

1366

20

Hold 4hk 09/10

14-03-2010

1402

32

-

1361

19

Alssund/F 2010

09-03-2010

1333

-4

1329

18

Alssund/E 2009

08-12-2009

1375

-22

-

1333

17

Slotsturn. 2009

12-11-2009

1375

-47

-

1355

16

Tønder By 2009

26-10-2009

1375

27

1402

15

Hold 4hk 2008/9

22-03-2009

1302

20

-

1375

14

Løgumkloster 09

19-05-2009

1319

36

1355

13

Alssund/F 2009

24-03-2009

1352

-20

-

1319

12

Gråsten Klub 09

19-03-2009

1352

-20

-

1339

11

Sønderjysk 2009

28-02-2009

1352

7

1359

10

Alssund/E 2008

09-12-2008

1302

43

-

1352

9

Slotsturn. 2008

20-11-2008

1302

16

-

1309

8

Tønder By 2008

17-11-2008

1302

-9

1293

7

Hold 4hk 2007/8

13-04-2008

1166

9

-

1302

6

Løgumkloster 08

13-05-2008

1207

54

-

1293

5

Sønderjysk 2008

17-04-2008

1137

36

-

1239

4

Alssund/F 2008

15-04-2008

1137

-4

-

1203

3

Gråsten Klub 08

13-03-2008

1137

70

1207

2

Slotsturn. 2007

22-11-2007

1200

-29

-

1137

1

Sønderjysk 2007

29-09-2007

1200

-34

my point it is unfair that a player can get a 2. place by agreeing to draw of course. tournaments should be decided by play and not by mastering tournaments.

So your theory is tournaments should not be decided by mastering tournaments? But to master tournaments one thing you have to do is to play very well...

I guess, I disagree. If someone plays well enough to get 2nd place with a draw--more power to him.

I think you are saying if you have played as well as this guy who can get 2nd place with a draw then that is unfair. Actually it is probably luck and sometime the situation will be the same but you may be the person who can get 2nd place with a draw?

This is only mildly "unfair" and there is no solution as you cannot expect the first place guy to not accept a draw just so you have a chance for 2nd place.

If you want to know "unfair" just see sometime what happened to me in a couple of tournaments.