If you watched the Talking Dead episode where they go over the torture kit, they skipped the speculum for some reason. I guess it was just a little too rapey, but they did very clearly show it when he was unpacking.

If you watched the Talking Dead episode where they go over the torture kit, they skipped the speculum for some reason. I guess it was just a little too rapey, but they did very clearly show it when he was unpacking.

So.... the Governor wasn't a gynecologist before the fall of civilization?

It's looking like Andrea will get what Michonne got in the comics. At least an episode and change rape-athon.

And there will be much rejoicing

I can see what the writers etc are trying to do here but they waited too long. Andrea is this season's Lori. If she dies at the hands of the Gov fans will cheer no matter how gruesome it gets. She had a chance to kill or at least Bobbitize him or just GTFO a dozen times already. No sympathy at all.

One Bad Apple:Maybe, just maybe Tyreese and Sasha will come to her rescue.

What role do you see Milton playing? How do you think the final battle will play out?

Personally, I would like to see the prison turned into some kind of trap for the Woodbury folks. They have the numbers but I think the Gov.'s paranoia is going to be an issue, as he seems to trust nobody except what's-his-name, the Mexican guy. And while the Woodbury folks are mired in the prison, a counterstrike from Rick's crew on the town. We've seen the Gov. training everyone, including children. I foresee some pretty hard choices in Rick's immediate future. Are we to assume this rivalry will be settled this season, or are they going for a cliffhanger? Is it going to be another mini-diaspora a la season 2? I think Herschel is pretty much dead...

Milton's philosophy seems to be "It is better to be at the devil's right hand than in his path" He knows how crazy the Gov is but he won't dare cross him. So far he has a comparatively easy life because of the Gov. All of Woodbury does.

How do you think the final battle will play out?

Poorly. Because the writers/director have no tactical sense themselves. All the gun battles so far have been amateurishly FILMED not just fought. I can understand that the combatants have little or no training so they don't perform well but it just looks like terrible cliche by the numbers Hollywood firefights.

Neither side has any idea what their strengths and advantages even are over the other. The prison would make good Viet Cong style deathtrap. Rick's group should just fabricate a bunch of Wile E Coyote style booby traps and wait. Use the inner yard full of zombies as another layer of defense. Nobody is sneaking through that silently.

Woodbury is a giant pillow fort. They don't have enough bodies to properly patrol the perimeter. Every single night Michonne or even Daryll could stealth in to kill just one person and sneak out again. Panic sets in and the town falls apart. Or go one further than that and just toss a few molotovs over the wall. There isn't any more fire department. The whole place might go up depending on the wind.

The Gov has superior numbers and like any war this should get won by logistics. Camp a few sharpshooters in the woods surrounding the prison and plink off anyone trying to leave. They have a finite amount of food and ammo compared to the Gov and his army of scroungers. Starve them.

Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.

One Bad Apple:Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.

Would that work in a world where they've taken to executing people who get bitten immediately?

Would that work in a world where they've taken to executing people who get bitten immediately?

Not everyone is fully acclimated to this world yet. Remember when Hershel got bit ? He was worth saving. There is no telling the preparedness level of any given person to do that. Not many 13 year olds are as cold blooded as Carl. Hell, not many adults are.

It is mostly for the psychological effect not to mention seeding more resentment. Maybe the wounded guy shoots his would be executioner first.

doglover:One Bad Apple: Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.

Would that work in a world where they've taken to executing people who get bitten immediately?

Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far.

Did the Governor get bit when he was swarmed by walkers? He was putting up a fight, then he let out a scream or growl just as Andrea was walking out (why didn't she disable the truck on her way out?) and he was holding his stomach at the end when he was talking to Milton.

If you watched the Talking Dead episode where they go over the torture kit, they skipped the speculum for some reason. I guess it was just a little too rapey, but they did very clearly show it when he was unpacking.

dehehn:Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far

Milton and the Governor do know. Remember when Andrea went with Milton to watch the old man die of cancer?

Whatthefark:*Possible spoiler for anyone who hasn't watched last weeks episode*

Did the Governor get bit when he was swarmed by walkers? He was putting up a fight, then he let out a scream or growl just as Andrea was walking out (why didn't she disable the truck on her way out?) and he was holding his stomach at the end when he was talking to Milton.

I think he got bit. As for the truck, I think her main concern was to get the hell out of there.

One Bad Apple:Poorly. Because the writers/director have no tactical sense themselves. All the gun battles so far have been amateurishly FILMED not just fought. I can understand that the combatants have little or no training so they don't perform well but it just looks like terrible cliche by the numbers Hollywood firefights.

They should get Christopher McQuarrie's brother to choreograph the firefights for them. This movie has some of the best staged shootouts I've ever seen:

One Bad Apple:Or go one further than that and just toss a few molotovs over the wall. There isn't any more fire department. The whole place might go up depending on the wind.

This has been my thought for a long time.

The preview for this weeks showed one of the Woodbury guys blowing the crap out of one of the prison's guard towers with a grenade launcher. Wonder if anybody's going to be in the tower when that happens.

BizarreMan:dehehn: Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far

Milton and the Governor do know. Remember when Andrea went with Milton to watch the old man die of cancer?

And all the Gov's thugs know, too. Remember what they did to the dead helicopter crew.

dehehn:doglover: One Bad Apple: Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.

Would that work in a world where they've taken to executing people who get bitten immediately?

Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far.

They know. Milton was experimenting on the guy with cancer. They wanted to know if any memory of your old life remains after you die and turn. He died of natural causes.

fusillade762:BizarreMan: dehehn: Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far

Milton and the Governor do know. Remember when Andrea went with Milton to watch the old man die of cancer?

And all the Gov's thugs know, too. Remember what they did to the dead helicopter crew.

I had forgotten about that. Face it, a year into the zombie apocalypse, you're going to know most of the rules by now unless you've been trapped in the prison kitchen.

dehehn:doglover: One Bad Apple: Either side should try to inflict as many non fatal casualties as possible. Make your enemy exhaust his supply of clean bandages, antibiotics and pain meds. Not to mention that a wounded person still needs food and water rations despite not being able to do even the most mundane housekeeping tasks. Dead weight breeds resentment.

Would that work in a world where they've taken to executing people who get bitten immediately?

Bit, not shot or stabbed. Not everyone knows that if you die you turn yet. Though it seems like in a town the size of Woodbury someone would have died by non-zombie means by now and they would know, but there is no evidence from the show so far.

But there is. It's shown in Woodbury a few times.

A gunshot wound to the guts is almost impossible to do anything but comfort without a working modern hospital. I doubt they'd waste the penicillin and morphine on a lost cause like that.

So far this season they've done a great job of stretching out the story to get more advertising money and inch closer to the magical syndication number gold mine, so I'm expecting something or other to actually happen sooner or later.