UN vote recognizes state of Palestine; US objects

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a victory decades in the making for the
Palestinians after years of occupation and war. It was a sharp rebuke for Israel and the United States.

A Palestinian flag was quickly unfurled on the floor of the General Assembly, behind the Palestinian delegation, as the final vote was cast.

In an extraordinary lineup of international support, more than two-thirds of the world body's 193 member states approved the resolution upgrading the
Palestinians to a nonmember observer state. It passed 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

Unfortunately Netanyahu is correct, in some sense, when he calls this decision useless. Because nothing has really changed, Israel still controls
access to the West Bank and declaring statehood for Palestine will not change that. Hopefully the morale of the people of Palestine has improved and
maybe even the chance for peaceful negotiations with Israel (although it seems doubtful any negotiations will come peacefully.)

And first I have heard of this all day, although this is my first ATS time all day.

Real independence, however, remains an elusive dream until the Palestinians negotiate a peace deal with the Israelis,

Why?

izrael didnt bother to check with anyone when they declared independence. They just took land by force.

Whats going on is INSANE.

By izrael's logic, if Palestine were able to bomb and kill the izraelis off of "their" land (which was stolen from Palestinians), then Palestine could
simply keep the land, dictate the "new borders" to map publishers and blackmail governments into giving their stamp of approval...

And the global media/propaganda network would act as though this is normal.

izrael didnt bother to check with anyone when they declared independence. They just took land by force.

Whats going on is INSANE.

By izrael's logic, if Palestine were able to bomb and kill the izraelis off of "their" land (which was stolen from Palestinians), then Palestine
could simply keep the land, dictate the "new borders" to map publishers and blackmail governments into giving their stamp of approval...

Your post is a little confusing, as the British were the ones that created Palestine and the Jews fought the Brits over it.

Mandatory Palestine (English: Palestine;[1] Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasţīn; Hebrew: פָּלֶשְׂתִּינָה (א"י) Palestína (EY),
where "EY" indicates "Eretz Yisrael") was a geopolitical entity under British administration, carved out of Ottoman Southern Syria after World War
I. British civil administration in Palestine operated from 1920 until 1948. This administration was formalised with the League of Nations' consent in
1923 under the British Mandate for Palestine which covered two administrative areas. The land west of the Jordan River, known as Palestine, was under
direct British administration until 1948, while the land east of the Jordan was a semi-autonomous region known as Transjordan, under the rule of the
Hashemite family from the Hijaz, and gained independence in 1946.[2]

In 1921, the Zionist Commission was granted official status as the Jewish Agency for Palestine in Article 4 of the Mandate. An offer to create a
similar Arab Agency was rejected by Arab leaders of Palestine.

Furthermore:

ncreased Jewish immigration and Nazi propaganda contributed to the large-scale 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, a largely nationalist
uprising directed at ending British rule. Ben-Gurion responded to the Arab Revolt with a policy of "Havlagah"—self-restraint and a refusal to be
provoked by Arab attacks in order to prevent polarization. The Etzel group broke off from the Haganah in opposition to this policy.

The British responded to the revolt with the Peel Commission (1936–37), a public inquiry which recommended that an exclusively Jewish territory be
created in the Galilee and western coast (requiring the expulsion of 200,000 Arabs) the rest becoming an exclusively Arab area. Jewish opinion was
divided as to the merits of this scheme, but it was rejected outright by the Palestinian Arabs and, in the absence of strong Jewish support,
eventually abandoned by the British as unworkable.[54]

Continuing:

In an effort to win independence, Zionists now waged a bitter guerrilla war against the British. The underground Jewish militias, the Haganah,
formed an alliance called the Jewish Resistance Movement with the Etzel and Stern Gang to fight the British. In June 1946, following instances of
Jewish sabotage, the British launched Operation Agatha, arresting 2700 Jews, including the leadership of the Jewish Agency, whose headquarters were
raided. Those arrested were held without trial.

The unified Jewish resistance movement broke up in July 1946, after Etzel bombed the British Military Headquarters in the King David Hotel killing 92
people. In the days following the bombing, Tel Aviv was placed under curfew and over 120,000 Jews, nearly 20% of the Jewish population of Palestine,
were questioned by the police. In the U.S., Congress criticized British handling of the situation and delayed loans that were vital to British
post-war recovery. By 1947 the Labour Government was ready to refer the Palestine problem to the United Nations.

On May 14, 1948, the Jewish People's Council declared the establishment of the State of Israel,[1] following a prolonged campaign beginning in
the late 19th century, when the Zionist movement began working towards creating a homeland for the Jewish people. About 42% of the world's Jews live
in Israel today.

and there were many deals done by the zionistas involving finanial assistance for WW1 and arranging to bring the US into 1 or both wars.

What? The US didn't get into the war until near the end, and most importantly, they never joined the League of Nations:

In 1922, the League of Nations adopted the declaration in the Mandate it gave to Britain:
The Mandatory (…) will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing
institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Rwanda-500,000–1,000,000
Bosnia-110,000
Congo-6.9 million
Syria- 40000 in 20 months
On and On.

edit on 30-11-2012 by sonnny1 because: clear up confusion.

Typical of the Israel supporter. No moral cards to play of Israel to speak of so lets make a comparison of other evils to lesson what's really
happened here.

Palestine can now move forwards in the international court of law for war crimes committed by Israeli cabinet ministers as well as high ranking
military personal who may have committed War Crimes.

If the Israeli accused are innocent they have little to worry about.

Noteworthy if any Palestinian military or cabinet (equiv.) are found guilty of the same good. However this will not in any way reduce the justice that
may be required for Israeli War Crimes.

I don't really see it as comparing evils but just putting things into perspective, as there really is no standard in international justice right now.
Especially on a moral basis.

UNITED NATIONS - The UN General Assembly's overwhelming vote to recognise Palestine as a non-member state offers little prospect for greater clout
in world politics but it could make a difference in the international courts.

The formal recognition of statehood, even without full UN membership, could be enough for the Palestinians to achieve membership at the Hague-based
International Criminal Court (ICC), where member states have the power to refer for investigation alleged war crimes or crimes against
humanity.

Will that do any good? Some nations don't even recognize the international court (The Hague):

The U.S. is among nations which do not recognize the International Criminal Court.

Why is that?

LONDON (AP) — Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Desmond Tutu called Sunday for Tony Blair and George Bush to face prosecution at the International
Criminal Court for their role in the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq

Typical of the Israel supporter. No moral cards to play of Israel to speak of so lets make a comparison of other evils to lesson what's really
happened here.

Back to this comment. Sonny was simply pointing out what happened under the UN's watch. You stated that is somehow trying to lessen what is going on
with Palestine. Yet I see it more so about the irrelevance of the UN. One could also argue how many resolutions have been filed against Israel that
haven't been followed. Or how there was no agreement with the Iraq war. One could also argue that the disappearance of Allied Nations and the
inclusion of Nations with an aim to push religion based statehood across the world could change the UN to something that condones religious takeovers
in the distant future.

It's all politics...

Disclaimer:

I'm not making any arguments here, just pointing out different angles.

In an extraordinary lineup of international support, more than two-thirds of the world body's 193 member states approved the resolution upgrading
the Palestinians to a nonmember observer state. It passed 138-9, with 41 abstentions.

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