Thursday, September 07, 2017

Are we seeing a trend here? First Jason Kessler of ‘Unite the Right’ is revealed to have been involved in the Occupy movement and now another white nationalist has been discovered to have made the same political leap.

Knoxville News Sentinel reports:

Garon Archer, a native of Johnson City, was the protester on Aug. 26 who repeatedly screamed, “The Southern nation is a white nation.”He said he came to last Saturday’s demonstration to represent the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist group that has said it considers mainstream U.S. culture “corrupt” and is rebelling against the “politically correct” and multicultural diversity in the South.Two weeks earlier, Archer was visible in “Democracy Now!” footage of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Clad in a baseball helmet and holding a shield, he attacked a counter-protester. At a similar rally in New Orleans, he was recorded

The Knoxville News Sentinel has more:But just a few years ago, Archer appeared in a 2012 YouTube video of an Occupy movement demonstration in Florida, protesting for the arrest of George Zimmerman, who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. In the video, Archer – who was himself 17 at the time – chants slogans against racism and burns a Confederate flag bandanna.

All these guys are Fake Right. This is one of the many reasons I encouraged people to actively police their organizations in SJWAL. Infiltration and disruption is one of their primary tactics.

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A meeting of 10 KKK members is typically comprised of 3 FBI agents, 6 narks, and 5 leftist infiltrators seeking to discredit the organization thru false flag operations. These neo nazi groups are no different.

To a normal American, trying to distinguish these international socialists and national socialists is akin to trying to tell the difference between types of diarrhea: it might be possible, but why bother, both are disgusting-just flush it down.

Untrue in my opinion with an important caveat. Once you embrace right wing ideas, going back is incredibly rare. However, millions of right wing people have once been -- for whatever reason, indoctrination not being the least among them -- on the left in my experience.

Infiltration shouldn't be ignored but what actual proof do you have in this case outside of the fact this man was at a leftist movement some years ago? Five years is a lot of time for a young man to change their opinion.

Were you always as super woke as you are now? Or was it a gradual process?

That's plenty enough time for one's politics to change radically at such a young age. But that's doubly true today with the profound and suddenly accelerating demographic catastrophe that's engulfed the West.

@7 lyovmyshkin: It's not hard to be left as a young person. So many left-wing ideas are very accurately described as "childish" and it should be no surprise that children hold them. People are poor? Clearly if we just give them more money they won't be poor anymore. My two young children, despite my best efforts, still aren't terribly clear about where I personally get money, and they certainly don't know how the society works, so to them money is a thing that never runs out. Somebody says they want X, and they're burning things down and blowing it up to get it? Surely if we just give them X they'll stop burning things down and blowing them up. I feel bad about something? This is a terrible crisis that clearly demands you drop everything to fix it. (I mean, as babies we basically come with that as one of our few built-in instincts after all.) Some people have more and some people have less? Well, surely Surrogate-Mommy could just tell everyone to share and that would solve the problem.

It's not a surprise that the young start out sort of left-leaning by nature... the question is which of them get educated out of it, by their surrounding community or by reality as the case may be.

I realize sometimes people wake up and change sides. Many of us have moved right over the years, at least on specific issues. Some of us might have even voted Democrat in the past, or considered ourselves liberal. And often a new convert has a lot of energy and zeal that results in others following him, because he's full of ideas and enthusiasm and wants to make things happen.

But that's why it's dangerous to give new converts leadership. It happens all the time in churches and religious organizations. Sally, who joined the church a month ago, shows up every day at the church wanting to help with things. She has a bunch of ideas on how to decorate the church, and it's hard to get enough volunteers for that, so the pastor just makes her the head of the decoration committee and turns her loose. But it turns out her zeal is far greater than her understanding of what's appropriate and doctrinal, and pretty soon she's decorating with wizards and unicorns because she's a big Harry Potter fan and thinks the Gospel of Rowling would really help bring people closer to Jesus.

And that assumes Sally is an honest convert, and not a plant. It should be possible to harness the enthusiasm of the new convert without putting him in charge and letting him take the organization running off in wrong directions.

This is getting ridiculous. Of course some of the people there are former leftists. The Alt-Right has attracted people from all over into all the different sectors of the Alt-Right that exist.

Many people are leftists when they're very young before they ever put any thought into what it is they believe. They just follow the crowd and only 'think' emotionally. Some people never grow out of that, others do.

Do you believe exactly the same things you did when you were 20? I wasn't alt-right 4 years ago either and I'm older than Kessler and this guy. It's ok to change your mind on issues.

Cail Corishev wrote:I realize sometimes people wake up and change sides. Many of us have moved right over the years, at least on specific issues. Some of us might have even voted Democrat in the past, or considered ourselves liberal. And often a new convert has a lot of energy and zeal that results in others following him, because he's full of ideas and enthusiasm and wants to make things happen.

But that's why it's dangerous to give new converts leadership. It happens all the time in churches and religious organizations. Sally, who joined the church a month ago, shows up every day at the church wanting to help with things. She has a bunch of ideas on how to decorate the church, and it's hard to get enough volunteers for that, so the pastor just makes her the head of the decoration committee and turns her loose. But it turns out her zeal is far greater than her understanding of what's appropriate and doctrinal, and pretty soon she's decorating with wizards and unicorns because she's a big Harry Potter fan and thinks the Gospel of Rowling would really help bring people closer to Jesus.

And that assumes Sally is an honest convert, and not a plant. It should be possible to harness the enthusiasm of the new convert without putting him in charge and letting him take the organization running off in wrong directions.

Yes Cail, but you're simply pointing out the difference between Jason Kessler and this one. Kessler should not have been put in a leadership role, but since he was the one that came up with the idea for that rally, he gained that title automatically. A lot of the speakers that showed up there won't work with him again, so he will be sent to the sidelines.

That doesn't mean this guy and half the rest of the people that were there are obvious plants. He was just another attendee who happened to be doxxed (I dont know if he cares or not) at multiple events.

Indeed. Which is why I find the knee jerk reaction to discovering -- super shock horror -- that some in the alt-right were once on the left so silly. The amount of incredible will power or indeed good family set up it would take for a child NOT to take on one leftist position or another as a youth today is surely an exceedingly rare commodity.

I read it. It's tripe. The average person has as much interest in distinguishing your subtle position from the one Anglin espouses as they do in distinguishing types of diarrhea as well. You're no different.

Apologies if you've heard that before. Like any cliche, it's oft repeated because IT'S TRUE.

I was right-wing from a young age, and recognize waving Nazi flags and national socialism as total idiocy. Leftists think all right-wingers are Nazis, it is not surprising to find them waving Nazi flags and screaming slogans that are caicatures of the AMERICAN right.

years ago? Five years is a lot of time for a young man to change their opinion.

The Travboon Skittles wasn't even white but Hispanic, so only a true shitlib would have blamed whites for it. Skittles girlfriend, Rachel Jeantel, testified that skittles thought GZ was gay+ checking him out making it a failed gay bashing.

People who go from left to right usually do so from seeing how bad the left is. His flag flaming persona from 5 years ago is what would turn normies.

Clad in a baseball helmet and holding a shield, he attacked a counter-protester. At a similar rally in New Orleans, he was recorded

Might this be staged playacting? The problem with noticing the (((lizardmen))) is we see their hand everywhere, at the closest Renaissance Fair to me I couldn't help but notice in the human chess match the only black on the field of 32 was the queen piece on the good side. It could be a (((coincidence))).

First of all 'they' -- the person mentioned in this article I mean -- weren't waving Nazi flags you low information boob. Secondly I refuse to define myself under the moral framework my mortal enemy provides for me. Only a moron would do that.

@3 If the Alt-Reich Fake-Nationalists were merely incompetent it would be more tolerable. But instead their actions give material aid and comfort to the Globalist Left enemy.

Nobody ever accused these guys of being smart. You'd think they would get tired of being on the fringe, but they seem to have retreated to the "secret kings" corner. Do they ever wonder why they don't get many converts? I know they spout all that muh zionism crap, but they really do seem to enjoy banging their heads against the proverbial stone wall. Or, maybe it's like the ugly fat chicks that dye their hair in neon colors, they just want attention and can find no other way of doing it other than being obnoxious?

@9For anyone who is halfway astute - this strategy , used by the socialists ,has been in place for over 100 years. The JBS was educating the masses about it, starting in the 60's."None Dare Call It Conspiracy", "Fabian Freeway" are just a few of the books one can read to realize that the socialist movement has a very, very long history of subterfuge, deception, manipulation and violence all with an end goal in mind....World Socialism.What Vox is doing here - smoking out the frauds, double agents and useful idiots, is vital if a group is to successfully fight back against the socialist beast. Whether or not Spencer, Anglin et al..are double agents or not, its quite obvious their world experience, understanding of history, mental toughness and social awareness are painfully lacking. They have no place leading anyone. They are nothing but smug fools intoxicated with their own sense of mental superiority. Legends in their own mind...but to many of us laughable caricatures.

If I wanted to 'infiltrate' the movement I wouldn't send people like Anglin or Spencer. I'd send cowardly anonymous cretins in by the boatloads who do nothing but critique without offering real solutions and sow discord.

Most of the Left that truly convert will be non-Activists like BBGKB said, yet a few activists will really convert. Any group that accepts them should be aware and vet them, and also treat them as Cail said. This is going to be a problem, as the government and the Globalists do infiltrate...it's standard operations for them.

It's interesting to see everyone practicing the new rhetoric. As Ramze Paul has observed, the facts and the merits of the "Nazi's are not Right Wing" argument is lost: Nazi's are securely pegged as Far Right in the public mind. The argument will neither reach or impress the public.

It is perhaps designed to have its impact intra the Alt-right and help clarify things for all Nationalists going forward.

Even without the Agent Provocateurs, the Alt Reich's strategy of "rhetoric over dialectic" was doomed to attract mentally unstable personalities from the get-go (as so many of us continually warned them - only to be told that we're punching right). I've had friendships severely fractured because they took my refusal to say "1488" as a personal insult - and now we get to the core of it.

"The Personal is Political" is a left-wing statement; it's a narcissistic statement. It demands that you equate your value as a human being with your political beliefs, rather than align your political beliefs with reality. This is the poison pill the Alt Reich has been selling: a sense of belonging and identity, so long as you quote our slogan and ignore our hypocrisies. This is not the sort of thing that attracts intelligent thinkers, willing to ammend their beliefs, instead it's a magnet for those who don't truly believe anything, but desperately need to feel like they're a part of something.

Even the Nazi cosplaying boils down to this: pretending to be part of the German army, because no real world army would have anything to do with you.

Indeed. Which is why I never actually claimed that it was the standard. I was simply responding to another commenter who claimed that the 'fringe' aspect of what you people call the 'alt-reich' was in no way a real critique of it given that, you people, are just objectively more of a fringe movement than DS.

The infiltration is a side point. It's that you don't understand why it is so easily infiltrated. Infiltration isn't easy. It's also that you don't understand why people would think you are totally infiltrated, even if you have zero infiltrators.

It's being inflitrated because it is not an intelligent right-wing movement. It is a populist left-wing movement. Democracy is left-wing, appealing to popularity is left-wing. Appealing to the masses is appealing to 100 IQ. And to top it off, it goes out of its way to attack Jews, and then holds up Jews persecuting it as a sign of street cred or the movement's threat to the power structure.

Anglin to Transition wrote:How much longer until Andrew transitions to a beautiful, stunning, and brave woman. He will be a powerful voice for the white race. His concious decision to not have kids only proves his dedication.

I hope your prediction reaches his ears and forms the germ of an idea: a brilliant move of breathtaking audacity. :D

Nazi's are securely pegged as Far Right in the public mind. The argument will neither reach or impress the public.

We don't care. We're not arguing for the public, but for ourselves. Nazi's claim to being right-wing is because communists controlled the media and made them right-wing. Nazis are cancer to the American Right, a far right American will dump the bodies of Nazis and Communists into the same mass grave.

Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.

Right now it appears to be a "coincidence", but their leadership and organization of the rally is *awfully* coincidental and has me very suspicious that this was a dirty tricks operation designed to get the reaction it did.

Aurini wrote:Even without the Agent Provocateurs, the Alt Reich's strategy of "rhetoric over dialectic" was doomed to attract mentally unstable personalities from the get-go (as so many of us continually warned them - only to be told that we're punching right). I've had friendships severely fractured because they took my refusal to say "1488" as a personal insult - and now we get to the core of it.

"The Personal is Political" is a left-wing statement; it's a narcissistic statement. It demands that you equate your value as a human being with your political beliefs, rather than align your political beliefs with reality. This is the poison pill the Alt Reich has been selling: a sense of belonging and identity, so long as you quote our slogan and ignore our hypocrisies. This is not the sort of thing that attracts intelligent thinkers, willing to ammend their beliefs, instead it's a magnet for those who don't truly believe anything, but desperately need to feel like they're a part of something.

Even the Nazi cosplaying boils down to this: pretending to be part of the German army, because no real world army would have anything to do with you.

Excellent point, your whole comment.

I sometimes wonder how the WWII German army got sucked into that whole thing, as many of their attributes were at odds with the Socialist thing?

@47 I once read an interesting analysis (I think it was Anonymous Conservative) that Hitler's genius was in pulling together both the Ks and the rs into one political movement: he argued that Nazi Germany was simultaneously extremely left wing and extremely right wing at the same time.

It had the right wing militarism, nobility, & productivity - propaganda posters celebrating the greatness of the people, rather than Soviet equality posters - but at the same time it encouraged rampant degeneracy, homosexuality in the SS and casual sex in the Hitler Youth, and even "free resource availability" in the way Hitler managed his generals; victory (resources) was assumed, so he pitted them against one another to earn his favour, one of the major factors which caused the Nazis to lose the war.

Essentially, he created a system where the Ks did all the heavy lifting, while being overrun by the rs who drove the whole thing off the rails. Unfiltered loyalty to a group, without demanding that the group hold to its ideals, will usually result in psychotic behaviour. But never punch right, yo.

How many of you converted former libs were out protesting and burning Confederate bandanas?

Exactly. I can say I was more liberal when I was younger, in the sense that I thought pollution was a big problem and we should convert to renewable energy like solar, that kind of thing. But I wasn't out leading left-wing activist groups. You won't find my name on any left-wing activist group's letterhead. It's one thing to move right as you get older; it's another thing to go from radical left-wing leader to radical right-wing leader in a couple years. (Of course, if Nazis are actually left-wing, maybe it's not that big a leap after all.)

But again, it doesn't matter whether plant or zealous convert, because even the honest former leftist will come with a lot of leftist assumptions that he hasn't lost yet, which makes him a bad fit for right-wing leadership. People should be smarter than to follow such a person, especially into physical battle.

Try to imagine it in reverse. Imagine if Milo came out tomorrow and declared that he's repented of everything he's said over the last few years. He's seen the light and realized the Left is 100% correct on gay issues, and he wants back into their good graces. How long would it be before they'd trust him to head up one of the major gay organizations, and follow his leadership without questioning his motives? A billion years, maybe?

We don't care what leftists call us. What we care is that leftists claim to be Nazis and then say "Stop punching right" when they're exposed.

The tactic of Nazis is to also call everyone on the Right a Nazi to take control of the Right and pervert it to their own ends. The Nazis aren't defending their legacy of total failure, they make vague claims to being right-wing, but don't espouse anything right-wing beyond ethno-nationalism. They aren't adding anything to a group that already agrees with their one big idea. Everyone is a Nazi now, therefore we don't need Nazis anymore.

he argued that Nazi Germany was simultaneously extremely left wing and extremely right wing at the same time.

The Nazis are a category unto themselves. Their economics are left-wing, their cultural ethos right-wing. Hitler was triangulating in a post-war country suffering total economic collapse and civil war between far-left and right.

Archer – who was himself 17 at the time – chants slogans against racism...-----Imagine that, a 17 year old kid who has been indoctrinated virtually birth against the evils of (whites only) racism is stridently anti-racist.

What are the odds?

Now let's give him a few years of further indoctrination on the evils of white men. Let's have barely literate fat negro women yell Nazi white supremacist at him every time he asks a question which is mildly sceptical of the narrative. Let's explain to him to him that he's going to live long enough to see his children be a hated minority in our country, and that this is supposed to be a very very good thing.

What's a kid to do? Do you think he's going to pick up Hayek and then slog his way through von Mises?

20-something white males aren't the most temperate group on earth, so there's a pretty good chance he'll hook up with the goose-steppiest group he can find.

I'm not saying that this is a good thing--it turns out that turning your country into a dystopian 3rd world shithole has some negative consequences.

At any rate, this idea that the Kesslers and Archers of the world are somehow fake because just a few years ago they were (well indoctrinated) ardent liberals is quite common in very normie conservative confines, and it's piss-poor analysis.

And FWIW, the Nazis were politically successful because they were triangulating...and playing against the Communists. The Communists were pushing Red Revolution. Blood red, as in Soviet-style mass murder. The Conservatives had the desire to stop them, but not the political strength. The Social Democrats had the political strength, but not the desire.

Enter Hitler. He's socialist enough to appeal to the Social Democrat base. Nationalist enough to appeal to the Conservative base. And anti-Communist enough to appeal to everybody except the Communists.

What a joke. Vox Day loves a good ‘gotcha’ moment that really isn’t one.

Believe it or not, a lot of people at that rally, myself included, are regular readers of this blog. There were mistakes made, and most people get that. The worst part about the rally is that it turned Vox into the biggest faggot in the alt-lite.

Aurini wrote:@47 I once read an interesting analysis (I think it was Anonymous Conservative) that Hitler's genius was in pulling together both the Ks and the rs into one political movement: he argued that Nazi Germany was simultaneously extremely left wing and extremely right wing at the same time.

It had the right wing militarism, nobility, & productivity - propaganda posters celebrating the greatness of the people, rather than Soviet equality posters - but at the same time it encouraged rampant degeneracy, homosexuality in the SS and casual sex in the Hitler Youth, and even "free resource availability" in the way Hitler managed his generals; victory (resources) was assumed, so he pitted them against one another to earn his favour, one of the major factors which caused the Nazis to lose the war.

Essentially, he created a system where the Ks did all the heavy lifting, while being overrun by the rs who drove the whole thing off the rails. Unfiltered loyalty to a group, without demanding that the group hold to its ideals, will usually result in psychotic behaviour. But never punch right, yo.

Yeah, I've actually seen Nazi films pushing the r behavior, contrary to some peoples "concerns." They got many young German girls preg by encouraging the boys to raid the girl's Hitler Youth Camps, then the girls were told to turn in their parents if there were objections.

The German army had concepts such as Einheit, Schwerpunkt, and Fingerspitzengefuhl, and none of these are Top-Down concepts, as they are based on two-way trust that usually exists in special forces. Yet this is the way it started out in the early days of the war.

A meeting of 10 KKK members is typically comprised of 3 FBI agents, 6 narks, and 5 leftist infiltrators seeking to discredit the organization thru false flag operations. These neo nazi groups are no different.

I'd put it more as 3 feds, 3 SJW infiltrons, 2 narks, and 2 drunks, but the general idea is the same. TPTB are doing the same thing as they did to the Tea-Party. As with Kessler, we see another recent convert being elevated to leadership.

At any rate, this idea that the Kesslers and Archers of the world are somehow fake because just a few years ago they were (well indoctrinated) ardent liberals is quite common in very normie conservative confines, and it's piss-poor analysis.

Yes, there are lots of these people. I'm not fully on board with the #FakeRight meme, a lot of these people are sincere. But I'm not seeing people defend their right-wing bonafides, they're resorting to name calling, making appeals to populism and not noticing the irony. They are not sufficiently red-pilled, that is why they're on the left of the Alt-Right.

Thats because you're waiting for the MAGA crowd to become a political network in itself, rather than be used by the Republican party until Trump leaves the scene. In a sense, Trump is a emotional cutout for dissent used against a genuine groundswell of concern, much like the social justice stack was deployed to ruin the Occupy movement. Instead of making life hot for the bankers, he's building a wall and irritating the opposition. It's not his role and he won't go directly against Goldman Sachs / Fed etc, but his organisation could, if they weren't now tied into defending the record of the God Emperor, much like the SJWs would be more concerned about being sufficiently progressive rather than sufficently effective.

@37. lyovmyshkinIndeed. Which is why I never actually claimed that it was the standard. I was simply responding to another commenter who claimed that the 'fringe' aspect

The response to that which was brought up yesterday, which I don't recall being addressed, was that while DS was in Alexa top 1500, Alexa is very easy to game and Vox gamed it once and didn't bother trying after that. And more importantly, other metrics of popularity did not suggest that DS was more popular than VD, but rather the opposite.

Honestly if they would just ditch the counterproductive, pointless, imagery and stop with the foolish decisions over and over again, it would be fine.

Before all of this we were winning. Google was being exposed and ordinary people were being red-pilled, but then the idiots had their rally and saved Google's reputation, ironically enabling Google to double-down on its behavior.

They completely lack insight and prudence, even if they have courage and zeal. The goal should be to red-pill white America. Nazism should be dismissed from that discussion.

Who knows why these guys are so attached to all those German cultural symbols. Maybe they are German themselves. Maybe they enjoy defying the MSM regardless of the cost. Maybe, like Cail said, they want everyone else in the alt-right in the penalty box with them.

tuberman wrote:Jason Kessler turning up AS A LEADER, was the problem, now this guy, not just a former Lefty, but a member of the same former organization is Red Flag Time. Not 100% obviously.

This is key. As lvovmyshkin noted:

Infiltration shouldn't be ignored but what actual proof do you have in this case outside of the fact this man was at a leftist movement some years ago? Five years is a lot of time for a young man to change their opinion.

The point is not that someone changed their outlook, but that they were propelled into a leadership role. Garon Archer may well be for real, but even he really should not be in a leadership position - and there is no indication that he was. His mistake was in speaking to the (((fake news))) at all. What part of "don't talk to the (((fake news)))" are we forgetting here? Note the lies in the (((fake news))) report itself (emphasis added):

He said he came to last Saturday’s demonstration to represent the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist group that has said it considers mainstream U.S. culture “corrupt” and is rebelling against the “politically correct” and multicultural diversity in the South.

So is Archer actually a member of LoTS? If he is an actual "convert" and a LoTS member who was formerly a leftist. Note that much of the rank and file of the Occupy movement itself was anti-globalist. Like the Tea-Party Patriotards, it was infiltrated, bought off and ultimately controlled by the globalists. They ended up being fake opposition from the left. Much bitching about the usual SJW litanies, but not a whisper about (((Soros))) or (((Bloomberg))).

Ya know, the German army was likely deteriorating due to the socialist entropy, as during the Blizkrieg and earlier they seemed to fight like a modern army (as in today), with many aspects that were way ahead of their time. Later, their fighting became more Clausewitz or blunt head on attrition warfare.

This is pure speculation on my part, so I even take it with more than a grain...

"was that while DS was in Alexa top 1500, Alexa is very easy to game and Vox gamed it once and didn't bother trying after that."

Indeed it may well be so. However that is not the same as saying that IT IS BEING GAMED. Is it?

For this, as I've already mentioned, you have as little proof as I do that VD likes to molest children and surely, in that case, it is as inappropriate to assert as the silly accusation made by some on Gab that VD -- despite his suspect appearance -- is a kiddy fiddler which VD is currently considering legal action over?

I mean surely you people, who constantly talk about your noble mission to find truth, would consider such hypocrisy wrong and call VD out?

Based on the scant evidence presented - a report from (((fake news))) - it's an error to put Archer and Kessler in the same category. Archer might be an actual nationalist who was just too dumb to resist speaking with (((fake news))). There seems to be a lot of cucking going on over this, which of course might also be part of the enemy strategy.

Shimshon wrote:It would be especially funny if one of these infiltrators were in turn a victim of violence by an alt-right individual infiltrating the alt-left.

That would actually play into the narrative of (((fake news))) also. The game here is to collapse their narrative. The narrative has been collapsing for a while and more normies are starting to doubt the lies they've been fed since elementary skool. Hence the agressive efforts to shore it up. (fake Nazis, fake Klan, etc.)

It would be especially funny if one of these infiltrators were in turn a victim of violence by an alt-right individual infiltrating the alt-left.

That would actually play into the narrative of (((fake news))) also. The game here is to collapse their narrative. The narrative has been collapsing for a while and more normies are starting to doubt the lies they've been fed since elementary skool. Hence the agressive efforts to shore it up. (fake Nazis, fake Klan, etc.)

"There is zero doubt that you would confiscate guns and private property if you ever were to come into power."

Again, your presence is desperately needed in the comments section of the NYT or... actually The Blaze. They need this kind of stunning insight if they're going to survive. Why are you wasting your time with me?

May I suggest that this is a good reason to form actual organizations which own their names as trademarks, so that they CAN police their use? "Alt-Right" is as unowned as "tea party", so there's no way to keep the impostors from using it.

There was more than double the number of (paid by Feds) than people arrested at the Bird Sanctuary Standoff, including the gun store owner who ran security for them.

converted former libs were out protesting in Florida, Virginia, AND Louisiana? When you're young no less? That's a lot of gas and lodging money.

People could travel more when gas under a dollar/gallon before 9-11.

Who "put Kessler in charge"? Oh that's right, no one. He just stepped up where others didn't.

Lots of free time & Soros money.

Most of the Left that truly convert will be non-Activists

Look at Scott Foval from the Project Veritas voter fraud video, he is still a leftist but wants to burn people on his side because he was denied the promised golden parachute.

Milo came out tomorrow and declared that he's repented of everything...long would it be before they'd trust him to head up one of the major gay organizations

Well all he would have to do is sleep with the right people to get a position like that, but he is getting too old for that. This weekend I ran into someone I didn't really know before but told me the guy I narced out for the underage drug/booze parties lost total interest when xe hit 18yo.

The worst part about the rally is that it turned Vox into the biggest faggot in the alt-lite.

The infiltration is quite impressive. I admire the establishment left a great deal for their resourcefulness. Not that it's particularly difficult to put an actor in front of a reporter's cameras, but to have lead positions in organizing virtually all of the "white nationalist," outlets is quite a feat. Having met some of the forerunners and founders at AmRen, I don't buy the notion that these groups were all agitprop from the start. It seems that they were all infiltrated in roughly the last 5 years, with many being infiltrated only in the last year.

Volunteering to help out is how Feds Leftists and SJW's infiltrate movements. Its better to background check everyone which is easier than ever and assign people duties they are suited for.

You may have some issue checking for Feds though since they can create a fake background easier than the rest of us. A proper Right wing movement will have protocols in place to keep the bored and to immediately remove anyone suggesting violence or criminal behavior

If they aren't a Fed they are an idiot or a plant which might be worse

The key being to make sure that genuinely changed Leftists can earn a a bigger role.

And note people do change, the late Mike Vanderbough of Sipsey street went from literal car carrying Communist to militia right and a valuable person to the gun rights movement

tuberman wrote:I sometimes wonder how the WWII German army got sucked into that whole thing, as many of their attributes were at odds with the Socialist thing?

The military is the very epitome of the Marxist slogan

>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

and it takes very little to change one from whatever it is supposed to defend to a Communist/Socialist tool

This shouldn't impune of the honor of military personnel but the hive mind of any military is collectivist

As usual, a more effective form of subversion for the system would be to pay by the cent for fools like 'Bill' to comment, endlessly online, how genuinely attractive pro-White forums like AmRen are actually, without evidence, somehow all part of some vast, dialectic conspiracy.

You'd think they would get tired of being on the fringe, but they seem to have retreated to the "secret kings" corner.

They like it there. Big secret kingfish in a small pond, to mix metaphors.

They remind me of the battered woman who talks and talks about how she wants to leave her man and find a good guy and have a normal life, until her friends get tired of hearing it and move her out of the place and set her up with a new apartment and a counselor and some dates with good guys. Then a month later she moves back in with the guy who beats her, burning down the apartment on the way out, and leaving two of the new guys she dated with STDs.

They like it where they are. In theory, they'd like to expand and move into the mainstream, but only if it just happens because everyone finally sees how cool they are. If it means changing their behavior or finding different ways to reach people, no thanks.

AmRen is certainly not party to any conspiracy and I think their lengthy track record of tact illustrates as much. What Vox has done a fantastic job of documenting; however, is that other spin-off white nationalist organizations (not to be confused with AmRen's white advocacy) are indeed infiltrated and effectively subverted. The overwhelming majority of alt-white's ersatz leadership are transparently working against the interests of moderate reformers in the hopes that they can bully the likes of AmRen out of the public eye. Chief among these subversive efforts is the attempt to drive a wedge between the growing community of patriotic American Jews and the emergent populist right.

I notice you never mention Mike Cernovich in your attacks on the fake right, despite his constant flip flopping and scheming with people like Cassandra Fairbanks who only a year ago was an anti-Trump, anti-white BLM supporter. I guess it's because he's still making you money.

'Conservative socialism' or 'right wing socialism' was common before World War Two... Before, conservatives were not so much about free markets or individual liberty- they were more about preserving traditions and morality, and eventually, preserving the race. After WW2, liberals called themselves conservatives, thus socialism then seemed incompatible with conservatism.

Conservative socialism found expression in 1840's in Tory socialism, The Young England movement, and later in Bismark's Germany which developed one of Europe's first welfare states. Etc. Citing some Hitler quotes to try to show that National Socialism is not right wing is a fools errand and displays a certain amount of historical ignorance.

The article does not prove insincerity in the rally goer, it just shows maybe disillusionment. If you really believe a 17 year old five years ago could not change or transform into holding different political views then you are just stupid.

I am opposed to Anglin and DS- he helps the Jews- the solidarity thing.

And a friend on mine 'in the know' wrote (and gave me permission to post his message):

=======================I have said it before and I will say it again:This stuff about Kessler is bogus.It's not true.It's probably black propaganda put out by our enemies to discredit us.Not a Jew. Not involved with Occupy. Not a journalist with CNN. Not a writer for The NY Times.

This kind of fake stuff on the internet undermines the real story, the simple story, that benefits us:

That the Mayor and the Governor conspired and contrived to facilitate a photo-op crisis they could use for personal, partisan and ideological advantage by ordering the police to stand aside and let the Anti-Fa mob attack us.

Then they and the media turned to truth inside out and claimed that we were the ones who were violent.

This is the truth.

This is what we need to be saying.

This is the basis for the up-coming conspiracy to deny civil rights lawsuit.

This kind of goofy conspiritorialism is downright harmful to our cause.

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