Post by Catilina on Jan 11, 2017 15:14:16 GMT

I have one warden with this choice, and yes, he's interesting character (and good sacrifice material – for Archademon, and later too). Don't kill anyone isn't a big sin, despite, that based on his sins, he probably deserved the death. But this isn't really mercy, only delayed execution, and a second chance for him. I'm a big fan of the second chances.

Post by Domakir on Jan 11, 2017 15:49:42 GMT

Although I was tempted to kill him I thought Riodan was right and it was better to have another GW. He had lost the battle and there was nothing else he could do against the warden so he wasn't a danger anymore.After playing a couple of times with this choice I started to like the character but he will always die with the Archdemon.

Post by Finvola on Jan 11, 2017 17:22:31 GMT

I have spared him in some saves. I like to see different outcomes. The last time I spared Loghain I was playing Dwarf Commoner rogue and she did not get along with Alistair in any way, shape or form. It made the "it's him or me" decision quite easy.

Post by tacsear on Jan 11, 2017 19:12:34 GMT

Although I was tempted to kill him I thought Riodan was right and it was better to have another GW. He had lost the battle and there was nothing else he could do against the warden so he wasn't a danger anymore.After playing a couple of times with this choice I started to like the character but he will always die with the Archdemon.

For me he dies in the fade holding off Nightmare, there is really no need for him to die while slaying the archdemon. Plus he is so fucking cool in Inquisition

Post by Domakir on Jan 11, 2017 19:30:02 GMT

Although I was tempted to kill him I thought Riodan was right and it was better to have another GW. He had lost the battle and there was nothing else he could do against the warden so he wasn't a danger anymore.After playing a couple of times with this choice I started to like the character but he will always die with the Archdemon.

For me he dies in the fade holding off Nightmare, there is really no need for him to die while slaying the archdemon. Plus he is so fucking cool in Inquisition

I've seen videos of his cameo in DAI and it was a little meh for my taste (Alistair's cameo wasn't better either). I still prefer his death in DAO because I think that dying to save Ferelden it's the perfect ending for him and it fits his character.

Post by tacsear on Jan 11, 2017 20:28:30 GMT

For me he dies in the fade holding off Nightmare, there is really no need for him to die while slaying the archdemon. Plus he is so fucking cool in Inquisition

I've seen videos of his cameo in DAI and it was a little meh for my taste (Alistair's cameo wasn't better either). I still prefer his death in DAO because I think that dying to save Ferelden it's the perfect ending for him and it fits his character.

I thought he was the only cameo that has been improved since origins or 2. He had that badass veteran vibe

Post by Sifr on Jan 11, 2017 21:25:27 GMT

I thought he was the only cameo that has been improved since origins or 2. He had that badass veteran vibe

Yeah, I love seeing him as a Warden in Inquisition because of the character growth from the "villain" from Origins;"The 'Traitor Teyrn'... yes, I have heard all the names.""I have been a Warden for ten years, but they will never truly consider me one of theirs.""I, more than anyone, know the cost of too much dedication."

And his excellent rebuttal to Nightmare's taunts in the Fade;

"Is that all you've got? It's nothing I have not said to myself!"

Loghain definitely came off a lot more older and wiser than he was in Origins, with his redemption well earned.

Post by tacsear on Jan 11, 2017 21:59:50 GMT

I thought he was the only cameo that has been improved since origins or 2. He had that badass veteran vibe

Yeah, I love seeing him as a Warden in Inquisition because of the character growth from the "villain" from Origins;"The 'Traitor Teyrn'... yes, I have heard all the names.""I have been a Warden for ten years, but they will never truly consider me one of theirs.""I, more than anyone, know the cost of too much dedication."

And his excellent rebuttal to Nightmare's taunts in the Fade;

"Is that all you've got? It's nothing I have not said to myself!"

Loghain definitely came off a lot more older and wiser than he was in Origins, with his redemption well earned.

It was just brilliant but I cannot bring myself to kill Hawke in order to save him. Varric becomes so sad

Post by fylimar on Jan 11, 2017 22:28:38 GMT

It differs - sometimes, I make Loghain a warden, sometimes I kill him, so that Alistair is happy. I'm less inclined to kill him to spare Alistairs feelings since I've done the Ali-romance (worst ever for me)

“They can keep their heaven. When I die, I’d sooner go to Middle Earth.” ― George R.R. Martin

Post by phoray on Jan 11, 2017 22:45:16 GMT

I've played Origins three times.

Twice, I killed him in the duel, including my first play through.

My third time, my Surana wanted Alistair off the front lines and safely King with Anora. it was painful, but she let Alistair leave her side and pulled Loghain Onto the team. She didn't argue with Loghain about who would weild the final blow; Zevran was looking very pained at the idea and she had no interest in dying.Alistair didn't stay mad in the end, and hopefully their friendship has healed over the years.

But honestly, I've been disappointed, because like...No one refers to Loghain killing the Archdemon at all in DAI. He's still the traitor that gets Threnn transferred. Loghain was an okay companion, he made me laugh once. And even though I didn't give him a single present, e was at max approval or near it from conversation alone

I've considered somehow getting him to DAI on one of my ultimate sacrifice play throughs I have planned to see if I like the feeling of him dying in the Fade any better.

But I voted No. Because as of right now, I think he should die after saying goodbye to his daughter. It's a strong moment I enjoy.

Let's keep the classes and add a dual protagonist, eh?We want to out clever Solas, not out last his stupidity. #DA42020

Post by Sifr on Jan 11, 2017 23:45:52 GMT

It was just brilliant but I cannot bring myself to kill Hawke in order to save him. Varric becomes so sad

I hate that there's even an option to have Hawke die in the Fade, it's always come across as extremely contrived.

It makes way more sense for the Warden-ally to be the one to stay behind in that situation, since the Wardens are about sacrificing themselves and they're the one who's determined to fix the mess their order has made.

Hawke's reasoning for wanting to stay behind to take Nightmare doesn't hold up either. If they believe that Corypheus was "their" responsibility, then surely they have more motivation to stay around to help the Inquisitor take him out? And why should Hawke (a civilian) be the one to carry a message to Weisshaupt, when Corypheus still hasn't been dealt with?

Post by Voidinist on Jan 11, 2017 23:46:14 GMT

It's my canon, just so the HoF can toss him into the Archdemon. I think it's ridiculous that Alistair didn't know about the US since he traveled with Duncan for so long and that Duncan didn't spare one minute to explain at Ostagar. So I just casually pretend the HoF was told at Ostagar. It makes the entire playthrough a bit more angsty that way.

Post by Lazarillo on Jan 12, 2017 16:43:56 GMT

Other than my City Elf who was more than happy to eviscerate him over the whole slavery thing, I never kill him...personally. Doesn't mean he always survives, but I generally let Alistair do the killing, as my Wardens tend to be the types who wouldn't turn down the help.

When I do recruit him, though, he doesn't survive the experience. I enjoy Loghain's character a lot, too much so to do him the dishonor of letting his story get drawn out.

Post by Aren on Jan 15, 2017 19:34:33 GMT

Although I was tempted to kill him I thought Riodan was right and it was better to have another GW. He had lost the battle and there was nothing else he could do against the warden so he wasn't a danger anymore.After playing a couple of times with this choice I started to like the character but he will always die with the Archdemon.

For me he dies in the fade holding off Nightmare, there is really no need for him to die while slaying the archdemon. Plus he is so fucking cool in Inquisition

I really like Loghain's character but I will always sacrifice him if I recruit him. To me, his story is told in Origins. Reducing such a great character to a bunch of half-hearted cameos really hurts.Also I'm leery on allowing an Old God to survive. These things cause Blights, so I'm not clear as to what the value is in letting Urthemiel live that's why I need Loghain in DAO.

If the flesh were born because of the spirit it would be a marvel, but if the spirit were born because of the body it would be a marvel of wonders.Yet I am amazed at how this great wealth has been reduced to such misery.

Post by secretrare on Jan 15, 2017 19:48:28 GMT

It's my canon, just so the HoF can toss him into the Archdemon. I think it's ridiculous that Alistair didn't know about the US since he traveled with Duncan for so long and that Duncan didn't spare one minute to explain at Ostagar. So I just casually pretend the HoF was told at Ostagar. It makes the entire playthrough a bit more angsty that way.

Ya,the writers had to make the plot as much as convoluted as it was possible in order to hide the US.

Post by Jarovbees on Jan 31, 2017 20:18:47 GMT

Loghain has never survived my playthroughs, and if it wasn't for Arl Eamon, I would have let Dog be my champion. As it is, I usually tend to duel him (or let Zevran do it, for the irony) and let Alistair do the executioning, unless I want to hook him up with Anora.

(My Surana was from the Denerim alienage, so she most definitely had a grudge. And my Brosca was bffs with Alistair, so there was no way she was going to let Loghain live either.)

'No, Andraste did not specifically say, "One should not punch bears."'

Post by ladyconsular on Feb 1, 2017 20:22:47 GMT

I've always spared him. He's my favorite companion in DAO! His banter with Wynne at Ostagar is worth it alone! Plus he just fits the DAI Warden best imo. Not trusted, on the run, no one likes him, etc...