On 10/14/2016 06:42 AM, drew.qu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, 14 October 2016 00:47:44 UTC+11, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
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> On 09/30/2016 02:20 AM, drew....@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote:
> >
> > Next question...
> >
> > Will Qubes work without SystemD?
> > Will it run if it's built on a system that has no SystemD?
>
> systemd (not SystemD) is integral to the operation of Qubes OS,
> especially on dom0 and ServiceVMs. The way that boot-up events are
> ordered relies on the dependency and ordering engine of systemd,
> as well
> as other features of it. You are not going to have a good time
> removing
> the hard dependency on systemd.
>
>
> Well won't it be FUN when THAT changes?
> Systemd is on it's way out.. It's one of the most hated things...

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You mean "it's one of the things *I* hate the most".
> and I'm going to build Qubes without it.
>
Best of luck.
> That way, it's not like I'm using Windows any more, but actually using
> Linux again.
>
Ah, yes, the good old "we finally got an Apple launchd style init system
on Linux, it's like we're all using Microsoft Windows now!" non-argument.
> Systemd doesn't really do that much differently, other than being a
> central point that is only a point of vulnerability and failure for
> the system.
>
Which vulnerabilities and failures? Unpatched CVEs please. Thanks.
> I just want to remove this MAJOR security hole.
Which hole? Time after time systemd haters have failed to prove this
contention of theirs. Allegations and allegations, nothing concrete.
> And I will, because it can be easily done.
I will be happy to see you succeed. I think you will fail miserably,
but if you succeed, more power to you.
> Then I just have to build qubes on it and alter things to not use
> systemd. Piece of cake.
Looking forward to seeing your GONEME clone of Qubes OS.
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