I am utterly confused about clip sizes AGAIN.
All my media is 1024x576 as projector native. Now when I started to compose tonights show i can not get the clips fit to projector screen without odd scaling each layer.
Modul8 pref preview is set to 16x9
when I put the clip on the layer it will be slightly larger than the output
when I *normalize* the clip is way smaller than the output
I start by connecting projector and setting my mac external display resolution; then starting Modul8.
By resizing the Advanced output (clip1) to accommodate hight 480 I can get my media to fit. But what does it do to actual output quality wise after all this resizing back and forth?

Where is the logic in clip sizes - could you explain once more? How could I play 1024x576 without needing to scale? M8 should respect the clip size as I remember.

Last edited by vanakaru on Fri May 06, 2011 11:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

modul8 normalize clips on its height.
even if you beamer's matrix is in 1024*576 does it display in the resolution list on your mac?
modul8 uses the output format to display video.
if you get stuck with this issue, you can use the preset module , and save the scale prorperty then when you 'll trigger a media it will be easier to recall the correct scale & position.

Lupin wrote:modul8 normalize clips on its height. even if you beamer's matrix is in 1024*576 does it display in the resolution list on your mac?modul8 uses the output format to display video.if you get stuck with this issue, you can use the preset module , and save the scale prorperty then when you 'll trigger a media it will be easier to recall the correct scale & position.

this is actually wrong… if you have a 16:9 clip in a 16:9 preview ratio and you hit normalize, it will fit to the width of a 4:3 ratio… the normalize button doesn't give a shit about the ratio you setup in modul8's preferences…

One thing you can probably do is to keep your preview ratio 4:3, normalize your medias to fit this 4:3 in width (you will have black bars at top and bottom) then use advanced output to create one clip 16:9 that is placed in the middle of your stage (fits in width) and route clip 1 to output 2.

Thanks!
I am able to test this later today. My show is actually tomorrow, but we need to setup tonight. It is outdoors and projectors can not be tested during a day.
For now on my external 4/3 monitor I can get right looking result with Sigmasix suggestion.

If I make a 1920x1080 image and I set modul8 up to have a 16:9 preview ratio and then I hit the normalize checkbox, here is what I get:

looks like my media fits in width of a virtual 4:3 ratio… Of course, if I add a 4:3 ratio media and hit normalize it will fit in height but just because it's a 4:3 inside a 4:3 (even if modul8 is configured in 16:9……)

Thank you for all the help!
I ended with only working solution as follows; M8 preview 4/3>all layers *normalize*>Advanced output 16/9 output2=clip1(16/9), output3=clip2(4/3) and clip1 stretched to fill clip2 hight(480).
It does not make any sense to me, but I was able to fill the projection from border to border right.
I say again this is the most confusing part of the M8. I hope it will be changed soon to have some logic other than 640x480 clip size. With fullHD projectors and capable hardware this outdated VGA size becomes a big turnoff. BTW the projector rental company we had projectors from have moved to Resolume precisely because of sizing issuesn in M8.

Yes, but almost year later there is nothing from garagecube to address this. Not even an explanation for the right procedure.BTW ”normalize” does not cut it in some instances and I have ended scaling the output with Advanced to fit correctly still.