Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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"As he has in recent days, the President will make it clear that we reject the views in this video, while also underscoring that violence is never acceptable – a message that has been echoed by the leaders he has personally reached out to in places like Libya, Egypt and Yemen. He will also send a clear message that the United States will never retreat from the world; will bring justice to those who harm Americans; and will stand strongly for our democratic values abroad.

can in no way be considered an "apology".

God save us from the armchair warriors at Breitbart

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Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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Originally Posted by gnjsdad

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can in no way be considered an "apology".

God save us from the armchair warriors at Breitbart

Yes these bloggers are pretty scary! Who's worried about Islamist jihadists when we have some geeks on a website terrorizing American citizens here and abroad...

Obama has led an apology tour from day one and this is no different. He should make no mention of the film which would never have received a fragment of this attention had the Obama administration not spent a week pretending this was the cause of the riots and the murder of our Ambassador.

I saw the Obama/Hillary ad and it was this groveling display of naivety. Do they really think Pakistanis will go back to their prayer rugs after being assured that he US government had nothing to do with the video? There is no separation of church and state in Islamic countries. To tell Islamists that the US government had nothing to do with the video simply makes us look weak and tells the Islamists that Obama can't control his own people.

Weakness draws aggression. We are seeing the fever spread and the more they apologize the more the Islamists think we are on the run.

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obama likes every opportunity to stand up and look important to the world. i hope he will give more time in his speech to say how outraged and sad he is over the murder of the 4 people at the consulate in benghazi than he will give to the video. haven't we heard enough about the video? hasn't he and hillary explained enough that our government does not support what is said about Islam in the video. enough about the stupid video!!!!

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Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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Aren't some of those things historical facts? None of that sounds mocking to me.

That was an actual link to the actual video. There's no need for me to characterize it for you. Just watch it. See what you think.

I would say much of it is "based on" historical fact, but not actually historical, with the more extravagant claims almost entirely speculative, equivalent to claims that Jesus was homosexual, or had a wife. We can summon evidence for the possibility, but there are more generous readings available.

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Has he really said that? I thought it was just an anti-Muslim rant.

Watch the video, and you'll have better information with which to form your conclusions.

He's said almost nothing in his own voice, directly. We have only the appearances. His history speaks of a socially disturbed man. Convicted for check-kiting by way of accounts created from stolen IDs, numerous aliases connected to the film itself, a dubbed over script differing markedly from that read by the actors, his claims to be either an Israeli Jew or an American Israeli, his revealed background as an Egyptian Coptic, and his outreach requesting publicity from the notorious Terry Jones of Qur'an-burning fame.

Those are strong appearances, suggesting he was looking to incite an international incident in favor of his ethnic minority in Egypt, under the cover of a complicated scam pulled on nearly everyone he contacted.

The Obama administration, for one. Maybe you haven't noticed Obama's deeply troubling drone campaign being waged all over the world, killing many innocent people, in countries with which the US is not at war? If you don't see this as having a big impact on perceptions in these countries of America's use of power, then you haven't been paying enough attention. Or maybe you haven't noticed Obama's executive policy of targeting even Americans overseas without a hint of due process (something about which most of the left has been shamefully silent)? Not even Bush went that far. But that's how it goes. The progressively worse accumulation of executive excesses of power (stoked in large measure by war and war propaganda) will no doubt be worse after Obama's gone. This troubles me far more and makes it far worse for America's image abroad than some imaginary "apology tour" conducted by an Obama constructed out of whole cloth by pundits and bloggers whose main fear seems to be that the president is not sufficiently bellicose.

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Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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Originally Posted by gnjsdad

The Obama administration, for one. Maybe you haven't noticed Obama's deeply troubling drone campaign being waged all over the world, killing many innocent people, in countries with which the US is not at war? If you don't see this as having a big impact on perceptions in these countries of America's use of power, then you haven't been paying enough attention. Or maybe you haven't noticed Obama's executive policy of targeting even Americans overseas without a hint of due process (something about which most of the left has been shamefully silent)? Not even Bush went that far. But that's how it goes. The progressively worse accumulation of executive excesses of power (stoked in large measure by war and war propaganda) will no doubt be worse after Obama's gone. This troubles me far more and makes it far worse for America's image abroad than some imaginary "apology tour" conducted by an Obama constructed out of whole cloth by pundits and bloggers whose main fear seems to be that the president is not sufficiently bellicose.

I'm afraid you were the one pointing to the bloggers as the real threat versus the actual concern which is increasing Islamist anti-American rhetoric. If you didn't notice the comment was tongue in cheek.

Actually I agree that the drone campaign, the crowing about Bin Laden's death, the upcoming White House inspired movie on the Bin Laden mission, is a far more likely cause of the increasing Islamic violence and anti American rhetoric. But let's see whether Obama and Co accept ANY responsibility for their role in ginning this up.....don't hold your breath.

One does not need to be bellicose to defend our basic freedoms which include freedom of speech. When the Obama administration sends a GENERAL to beg some minor league minister to cease with his anti-Muslim speech, when the Obama administration asks Google to take down the video, it looks like capitulation to the Islamist crazies AND more important, that freedom of speech is unimportant when that freedom tends to make Obama look powerless.

Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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I'm afraid you were the one pointing to the bloggers as the real threat versus the actual concern which is increasing Islamist anti-American rhetoric. If you didn't notice the comment was tongue in cheek.

But it's so much easier to go after pacifist conservative Christians instead of radical Muslims! Just like it's easier to support gay rights, the government telling the Church to pay for contraception and anything and everything that make your liberal classmates, friends and co-workers feel good inside!

PS--I think a lot of times they do notice, it's just that progressive arguments aren't really based on logic, so they'll take pretty much anything they can get .

Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

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Originally Posted by gnjsdad

The Obama administration, for one. Maybe you haven't noticed Obama's deeply troubling drone campaign being waged all over the world, killing many innocent people, in countries with which the US is not at war? If you don't see this as having a big impact on perceptions in these countries of America's use of power, then you haven't been paying enough attention. Or maybe you haven't noticed Obama's executive policy of targeting even Americans overseas without a hint of due process (something about which most of the left has been shamefully silent)? Not even Bush went that far. But that's how it goes. The progressively worse accumulation of executive excesses of power (stoked in large measure by war and war propaganda) will no doubt be worse after Obama's gone. This troubles me far more and makes it far worse for America's image abroad than some imaginary "apology tour" conducted by an Obama constructed out of whole cloth by pundits and bloggers whose main fear seems to be that the president is not sufficiently bellicose.

But gnjsdad, isn't this all

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...a well-financed network of agent provocateurs working to, in the words of the maker of this agit-prop, "help Israel" ; produced, distributed, and calculated to create just the effect we're witnessing.

Re: Obama to address Muslim unrest (will apologize for film in front of UN General Assembly)

Mark Steyn, hilarious, and true:

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Meanwhile, this last week has seen the publication of two controversial magazines in France: One, called Closer, showed Prince William’s lovely bride, the Duchess of Cambridge, without her bikini top on. The other, the satirical publication Charlie Hebdo, showed some bloke who died in the seventh century without his bikini top on. In response, a kosher grocery store was firebombed, injuring four people. Which group was responsible? Yes, frenzied Anglicans defending the honor of the wife of the future supreme governor of the Church of England rampaged through Jewish grocery stores yelling, “Behead the enemies of the House of Windsor!”