https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151750784006558&set=a.10150238899061558.364437.141884481557&type=1&theatreWhat do you all think this is about? who is the guy in the green suite? Azog perhaps? If it is Azog, I find it quite weird, that Thorin seems to be ontop of him! The position kind of reminds me of Aragorn when he was speaking to the dying boromir, in FOTR. If this scene IS what I have assumed, I think this might give us some good insight, that Thorin WILL kill Azog. Weather Thorin dies shortly from his wounds inflicted by Azog, or is killed by another (Bolg) we are yet to see. what do you think? "fingolfin looked up in grief to see what evil morgoth had done to maedhros"

Although it's not Manu Bennett in the green suit, I can only see it being Azog. In that case, I suspect Thorin will kill him before dying by Bolg's hand.

The trouble with this of course, is that it doesn't really give Dain a big moment in the battle. Thorin will have some measure of triumph at least, but if Bolg is killed by Beorn, as we all hope, then it seems Dain will not get a moment in the battle to convince audiences that he is this badass warrior leader and is fit to be crowned king. Of course, it's possible he might help Thorin kill Azog.

...That is definitely Azog, Thorin will kill Azog at the battle of the 5 armies and will perhaps say something to him as he is dieing, Bolg looks over and sees that Thorin has killed his father and will attack Thorin fatally wounding him, Fili and Kili then jump in to try and protect Thorin - however will be overpowered/outnumbered by Bolg and his bodyguards/orcs they are killed. Then Boern shows up and kicks some serious ass, killing Bolg and probably a load of orcs too. 'Everywhere I lie theres a dirty great root sticking into my back!'

.....but in this picture.....https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151749496026558&set=a.10150238899061558.364437.141884481557&type=1&theatre This I believe is the rehearsel for this epic final confrontation. Someone speculated that it may be in erebor itself! though I like the idea, it actually looks to be outside somewhere. "fingolfin looked up in grief to see what evil morgoth had done to maedhros"

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."

BUT... it is very telling that the final dwarves shooting were Thorin, Fili, and Kili. Those are the three dwarves who die in the battle. The fact Thorin is bloodied just further confirms my suspicions. Their final pick-up shots were of the main characters who die in the film.

On Friday night when we wrapped the “Pick-ups” there was just one actor left on stage. The main unit finished a few moments ahead of us – ThorinĒs last slash at Azog; then with the Splinter Unit Aiden Turner had to do one more take of his final shot, the final shot of the entire two and half years, three films.

They could have just filmed that before, when he uploaded that pic of wounded thorin, and then he filmed azogs death, when bolg killing thorin in revenge already happened. After all FILiand kili were wrapping up and we all know they were dying as well. Film works in a weird order, so we r pretty confident bolg will have something to do with thorin a death. ''We are very dangerous over short distances''

kind of takes away from the surprise of a Goblin army unexpectedly bearing down from the North don't you think? Even the elves will have been skirmishing with Azog and aware of Orcs in the vicinity, not to mention the people of Lake Town. Sigh.

at this point it's always only a small pack of hunter Orcs on Wargs and not more. In TABA we'll have an entire army marching towards Erebor. That's a big difference. As Elrond and Saruman showed us in AUJ, it seems to methat a single Orc pack and a few Wargs isn't such a big deal. Things like that happen from time to time obviously. But according to Elrond there has been peace for 400 years. Although the last Orc army was defeated in TA 2799 at the Battle of Azanulbizar, wasn't it? 142 years before the Battle of Five Armies. So let's say PJ took the dates from Tolkien seriously.. we've got 142 years without large-scaled attacks from Orcs or Goblins.

142 years. That is the lifespan of 4 humans (if you take the average lifespan of 35-40 years from the medieval Europe). Almost 8 generations of men lived and died without being witness of a large-scale Orc invasion/attack. They surely have been victims of small Orc attacks or scavenging but nothing more.

You see? I think there's reason enough to be witness of Azogs Orc pack attacks and still be surprised by an approaching army of thousands of Orcs, Wargs, Trolls, Bats and other evil creatures."There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

On Friday night when we wrapped the “Pick-ups” there was just one actor left on stage. The main unit finished a few moments ahead of us – ThorinĒs last slash at Azog; then with the Splinter Unit Aiden Turner had to do one more take of his final shot, the final shot of the entire two and half years, three films.

This has come up in a couple of other threads and people seem to have taken it to refer to Thorin killing Azog at the Battle of Five Armies.

However, is it really conclusive that Thorin kills Azog? All the post talks about is a "last slash." Maybe how it really plays out is Thorin's last stand, and the slash in question might not even land.

and it would be great if PJ would give Dain the honours he deserves...but one can't help feeling that the scriptwriters will go for the popular vote of Thorin getting his revenge on Azog - after all, it's what the average cinema goer will want to see, isn't it?

Sadly, so far Dain seems to be getting shafted in this adaptation, refusing to help Thorin's Quest and possiblyjust turning up to grab the spoils, instead of seemingly earning them with his heroic deeds at Azanulbizar and portrayal as all-round " good guy." "Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened." Ŋ Victoria Monfort