originally posted by: Lucidparadox
On thing everyone seems to be bypassing...

Is..

Are these body parts going to a good cause?

The fetuses are being aborted anyway, if the body parts are going to research that could potentially save lives, or even going as transplant parts to
infants to save their lives, then this isn't an act of horror at all, but one of righteousness.

That is quite irrelevant. You're suggesting that the ends always justify the means?

16 year old girl is diagnosed with luekemia 9 weeks into her pregnancy and her chemo was delayed for fear it would harm the baby.

Chemotherapy was begun after the end of the first trimester of pregnancy, at which time the girl began to bleed, yet still the doctors refused to
interrupt the pregnancy. Advocates report that she subsequently miscarried the pregnancy and began to hemorrhage; the medical team was unable to
contain the bleeding and she died.

so well how do you give each equality when what is best for the baby is not what is best for the mother?

I actually think people are being deliberately obtuse in regard to how donations of this type are handled by all hospitals and medical facilities
throughout the country. It is handled this way because that is the law. Now , hospitals could charge the family donating, but they have decided that
is a poor idea. So, they recoup their costs from the research facility.

Hospitals come to families that have suffered the death of a loved one, pretty quickly, and ask for that permission. There is a time limit on how
long the organs can just sit there. That doesn't seem like a conflict of interest and the hospital turns around and collects fees from whatever
research facility comes for the donated parts.

I'm all for what they're doing. There's a severe lack of available organs out there to meet demand and as long as you're going to practice abortion
it strikes me as criminal to waste organs that could otherwise be used to save people or be used in medical research that leaves mature organs for
people needing donations.

It's a bit of a grisly practice but it strikes me as the ethically right thing to do.

As a woman, I am not against abortion but neither am I for it. But I am against preying on women for politics or profit. I'm against using science or
medical "progress" to sway or gloss over a gut-wrenching decision.

And, as a woman who lived a life or death pregnancy for two months in the hospital, I have been faced with this decision and had the cruel realities
spelled out to me. It would have been an emotional and financial relief to opt for abortion but I didn't.

I shudder to think how this is donation is portrayed to younger, more desperate women than myself.

originally posted by: reldra
I actually think people are being deliberately obtuse in regard to how donations of this type are handled by all hospitals and medical facilities
throughout the country. It is handled this way because that is the law. Now , hospitals could charge the family donating, but they have decided that
is a poor idea. So, they recoup their costs from the research facility.

Hospitals come to families that have suffered the death of a loved one, pretty quickly, and ask for that permission. There is a time limit on how
long the organs can just sit there. That doesn't seem like a conflict of interest and the hospital turns around and collects fees from whatever
research facility comes for the donated parts.

Heh. I've got your "deliberately obtuse" right here. Some people regard abortion as murder by the mother, which in their eyes is a tragic act. If
body parts resulting from that "murder" are used in some capacity, good or bad, you're damn right people will get upset. It's a few steps away from
grinding corpses into fuel. I'm not taking sides on this, you just need to realize that they have a legitimate reason to be upset if they consider
abortion to be a heinous act.

As a woman, I am not against abortion but neither am I for it. But I am against preying on women for politics or profit. I'm against using science or
medical "progress" to sway or gloss over a gut-wrenching decision.

And, as a woman who lived a life or death pregnancy for two months in the hospital, I have been faced with this decision and had the cruel realities
spelled out to me. It would have been an emotional and financial relief to opt for abortion but I didn't.

I shudder to think how this is donation is portrayed to younger, more desperate women than myself.

I don;t know what they say. But I am sure it is professional, just how you were dealt with. You just guess the worst case scenario.

originally posted by: reldra
I actually think people are being deliberately obtuse in regard to how donations of this type are handled by all hospitals and medical facilities
throughout the country. It is handled this way because that is the law. Now , hospitals could charge the family donating, but they have decided that
is a poor idea. So, they recoup their costs from the research facility.

Hospitals come to families that have suffered the death of a loved one, pretty quickly, and ask for that permission. There is a time limit on how
long the organs can just sit there. That doesn't seem like a conflict of interest and the hospital turns around and collects fees from whatever
research facility comes for the donated parts.

Heh. I've got your "deliberately obtuse" right here. Some people regard abortion as murder by the mother, which in their eyes is a tragic act. If
body parts resulting from that "murder" are used in some capacity, good or bad, you're damn right people will get upset. It's a few steps away from
grinding corpses into fuel. I'm not taking sides on this, you just need to realize that they have a legitimate reason to be upset if they consider
abortion to be a heinous act.

I am just pointing out how all medical donations are handled. It included people who die in hospitals.
Good or bad, it is not illegal or a business.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
On thing everyone seems to be bypassing...

Is..

Are these body parts going to a good cause?

The fetuses are being aborted anyway, if the body parts are going to research that could potentially save lives, or even going as transplant parts to
infants to save their lives, then this isn't an act of horror at all, but one of righteousness.

That is quite irrelevant. You're suggesting that the ends always justify the means?

Im suggesting that theres no stopping abortion..

and its GREAT that they are making the BEST out of a bad situation.

Im not condemning or parading abortion here.. Im saying, if they are going to do it, they might as well have some good come from it.

I know, I should be ashamed of myself for wanting to save the most innocent lives, shame on me, who would have thought there would have come a day
that being pro life of an unborn child made you the bad guy.

That is an excellent point.

When did caring about babies
become evil in the sight of liberals?

Once over 24 weeks gestation,
they are babies who are able to survive outside the womb,
without the mother, in a hospital setting.
At that point they are babies, not tissue, not a fetus, a baby.

But progressives and liberals are making people
who don't want to see the brains sucked out of babies
and who don't want to see babies dismembered
alive with no anesthesia, into some sort of evil monsters.

The truly evil monsters are the ones
who suck the brains out of babies
who can survive outside the womb;
who cut off the body parts of living babies,
who are in excruciating pain
with no anesthesia
babies who can survive outside the womb.

And to then sell the body part of these babies.
I see the liberals and progressives rejoicing over the
dismemberment and cruel dissection of these
babies as a "mother's right" and as good.

What has become of this world?

I can only hope that the people on this site
who approve of this torture and killing of
babies who can survive outside the womb;
are reincarnated
and aborted at 26 weeks with the
same procedures they openly approve of.

And yes, I do know people who would love
to adopt a newborn, but newborns are
not available anymore, they are killed
routinely and without any guilt or caring or thought
before someone can adopt them.

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