Right on Red

In Tennessee, a ticket cannot be issued if you turn right on red if the only evidence is from a traffic camera.

RedFlix Traffic Systems, Inc. and American Traffic Solutions, Inc. tried to overturn the law in an attempt to issue more citations and thus their profits.

The judge turned down their request, noting that
"...lawmakers concluded use of traffic cameras to cite drivers for illegal right turns was less about traffic safety than about generating revenue." Associated Press

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There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there?

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago.

I read an article. There are NO states prohibiting red light turn after stop. I was surprised that NYC prohibits those turns, unless a sign allows it.
I returned to Illinois after my Navy service in California. I turned right on a red. A policeman honked and shook his finger at me. I guess he noticed my CA plates. This was a long time ago.

Bad reporting

Apparently all the cities in East Tennesse
http://www.wbir.com/news/article/176975/2/Cities-with-red-light-cameras-not-ticketing-for-right-on-red

Well, first off the first sentence in this article is incorrect to the intent of the article...

"Every city in East Tennessee that currently has red light cameras is not issuing citations for drivers caught on camera making a right turn without stopping."

To be clear, RLC companies issue citations to the registered OWNERS of vehicles - NOT THE DRIVERS. (You would think a reporter would get this very basic information correct.)

Funny how because of this change a right-on-red violation at a RLC intersection will now carry a stiffer penalty than previously (because an officer will be required to issue the citation rather than allowing the RLC to issue the citation.)

...oh, how we bend over backwards to make these cameras work.... No wonder 13 states have made them illegal.

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There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there?

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago.

All states allow turns on red unless posted (right turns or left turns when turning from a one way street to a one way street). The federal government requires this via the MUTCD. NYC applied for and received a special exception that is unique.

Some states tried playing games with the intent of the feds and hung up No Turn On Red signs everywhere, but the ones that had no traffic engineering justification were required to be removed. Some were.

Toronto Example

poi2012 wrote:

A famous intersection is Finch Av E/Don Mills Rd., many people were caught and fined 320 bulks.

That may well have happened, but the point of my previous posting was that while the officer issuing the ticket might say that there is a "three second rule", others claim that it is simply not a requirement under the Highway Traffic Act. The officer(s) might be misinformed, or they might be counting on a certain percentage of the tickets going uncontested. However, $325 + 3 demerit points (for "Red Light - Fail To Stop") is a strong incentive to fight the ticket.

The Country of NYC

dobs108 wrote:

New York City does not allow right-on-red except where it is posted.

dobs108

NYC has a many laws that don't follow State and Federal law or even the constitution. If we could at least move them outside of NYS, we could keep track of what is considered NYC to obey their special laws.

California should have the

Full Stop on Red...

kkkelleher wrote:

I realize that when posted no turn on red is the rule when posted. But are there states that do not allow right on red after a full stop?

The "full stop" part is an issue here in Chicago. Many people here have no clue that you are supposed to come to a "full stop" at a red light before making a turn. This is especially true with the Taxi cabs here in the city. I have been almost run over many time by these Morons who don't even slow down before coming around the corner on a red.

Right on Red -

I'm a full believer in coming to a complete stop BEFORE turning right on red. There have been many instances when I have almost been run over - IN THE CROSS WALK WITH THE WALK LIGHT ILLUMINATED - because some idiot didn't even slow down when they turned.

Riiiiight on red

trigon wrote:

I'm a full believer in coming to a complete stop BEFORE turning right on red. There have been many instances when I have almost been run over - IN THE CROSS WALK WITH THE WALK LIGHT ILLUMINATED - because some idiot didn't even slow down when they turned.

Pedestrians have the right away. That should be enforced.

Just because someone comes to a complete stop, doesn't mean they look to the right to make sure there are no pedestrians. If it's a problem, there should be no turn on red. Most red light camera intersections I encounter, there are no pedestrians.

Funny :)

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

much ado about nothing

It's amazing how these topics are so beaten to death. Usually as we get older, we become more responsible. There are two places that I have been to often, California, and Ontario. In both places, pedestrian and turn laws are enforced by human police officers. I wonder what people have to say about humans enforcing the law? Unconstitutional? Don't work? They aren't calibrated? What now? LOL

Left turn signal

My one complaint is when I get a left turn signal and as I turn left have the idiot with a red light opposite me make a right turn on red light in front of me. There are many idiots out there and one has to keep an eye out for them.

Check with your dealer?

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

Sounds like a warranty issue to me. I'd take it back to the dealer and demand a free replacement.

I should...

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

Sounds like a warranty issue to me. I'd take it back to the dealer and demand a free replacement.

Ron

If the dealership is still in business (no idea where the bike was purchased) I should take it in and see what they say. Who knows, they may be impressed to see it is still on the road and fix it for free!

Doh Doh Doh

At Least Someone Is Paying Attention...

Good for that judge!

Those camera's "might" reduce some accidents or slow some people down and pay more attention, but, this goes to show that these camera companies will do anything to increase "their" revenues and try to convince municipalities to go along to increase their revenues as well.

Consider

A traffic light on a one way street that turns onto another one way street? What is the purpose of the light? Pedestrian safety? Why not just a stop sign?

Several years ago, we had your situation and boy was I glad we did.

The major street was 4 lanes going into town. The one way cross street came from another major street two block away that was 4 lanes going out of town.

I would mostly be trying to cross the 4 way inbound street in order to get to church (where I have been involved with its Television Ministry for many years and there need to be there during the week for editing, etc). Had it not been for the trafic light, I would not have been able to cross safely.

Now, the major streets have been changed into two way - 2 lanes each.

I think that we would agree that these situations are best left to the decision of a traffic engineer.