Did that happen this generation? For large parts of the generation 360 was well ahead, despite the same monthly charge.

This charge being a terrible thing is never something any Xbox user says - its just used as ammunition by Sony fans in comments threads. I knew well and good I'd be paying £3.50 a month for the 360 and would pay nothing for PS3 when I got my 360 - I'm not rich by any means but £3.50 a month is meaningless to me. It didn't affect my decision at all.

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Charging to play online and charging to play used games are completely different. Not to mention, 360 got a year's head start and had already built a devoted online fanbase with the first Xbox.

Thanks for it, bro. I got the answer on the internet requirement. He says the system should be able to function without an internet connection.

he still danced around the used game thing i feel. requiring a fee or authentication of some sort to play a used game isnt technically blocking them. not requiring the internet to function makes that a bit difficult but that doesnt make it impossible. it just might mean that they will implement it a different way.

You need to go watch some Gaikai demos before you make that claim. They even talk about cloud computing way before MS ever did. Gaikai's tech has been working since like 2008. All of you haters are delusional. Go to Gaikai's website and look at the history timeline. Look at all the funding and support they were getting before Sony swooped in and bought them. MS said their data center saturation will grow to over 300,000 servers. Gaikai was already given a guiness world record for most wide spread cloud gaming network. Imagine how much it's continued to grow since then. Sony is here to compete this time around.

You do realise Micrsoft Azure is has been around for a long time right? and Azure is different than most cloud service and has "computing" as in processing and performance. I'm not bashing Sony's Gaikai and think it's an awesome feature sony is bringing to the table. MS using Azure for gaming is only a tiny tiny part that "uses" azure and not "is"

and don't be surprised if Gaikai uses Microsofts Azure... a lot of companies use Azure for their cloud services, even competition... Apple uses Azure for Icloud. these companies work together a lot and do not hate each other.

Do you know how much it is costing them to provide and maintain PSN in its current state?

You don't have a clue how much it is costing them, you don't have a clue that they can afford to keep offering it for free.

It was free this gen because it had to be, because it was only in the last couple of years it got anywhere close to being high enough quality to charge for and by then they were wedded to a free service.

That does not mean they are not losing money by not charging for it. You don't know that so don't pretend you do.

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woah man chill out here lol is it okay to discuss how i feel? of course i don't know the numbers but you don't either and nobody here can possibly say that its an absolute must to charge for online. there are other ways to bring in money. its called being creative. this goes for any system from any company. if we can't agree on this then thats fine dude. its going to be okay

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I agree, neither of us know for sure. But it is obvious that running an online service like PSN was at PS3 launch is a negligible cost, and running PSN as it is now clearly is going to take a good number of staff.

I am pointing out that them not charging at the moment, does not "prove" as you put it, that they can run it for free without losing money. I've laid out my argument why very clearly above.

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well you have pointed out how they could lose money, but not why they have to. of course psn costs money and they need to get that from somewhere but why again must it come from an online charge? you may not see the same as me but i think playstation plus does "prove" that you can still offer a quality service without touching my ability to game online.

discounts and freebies and 1 hour long game trials and all the other goodies it offers, some that i'm sure xbox live offers too, make it a great service worth paying for already. i'm sure it will be adjusted accordingly for the Playstation 4 but No, i still am not sold on why absolutely have to charge for the single ability to game online. the other stuff i mentioned? yeah charge me all day for that, those are other ways to bring the money in. i am interested to see the facts behind how helpful playstation plus has been for Sony. I haven't seen many complaints from the subscribers.

thats it though, just my opinion. i'm not gonna shove it down anyone's throat. I'm not a soldier in the console war nonesence. it's their job to sell these things not mine. i'll buy whatever i like the most.

woah man chill out here lol is it okay to discuss how i feel? of course i don't know the numbers but you don't either and nobody here can possibly say that its an absolute must to charge for online. there are other ways to bring in money. its called being creative. this goes for any system from any company. if we can't agree on this then thats fine dude. its going to be okay

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I agree, neither of us know for sure. But it is obvious that running an online service like PSN was at PS3 launch is a negligible cost, and running PSN as it is now clearly is going to take a good number of staff.

I am pointing out that them not charging at the moment, does not "prove" as you put it, that they can run it for free without losing money. I've laid out my argument why very clearly above.

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well you have pointed out how they could lose money, but not why they have to. of course psn costs money and they need to get that from somewhere but why again must it come from an online charge? you may not see the same as me but i think playstation plus does "prove" that you can still offer a quality service without touching my ability to game online.

discounts and freebies and 1 hour long game trials and all the other goodies it offers, some that i'm sure xbox live offers too, make it a great service worth paying for already. i'm sure it will be adjusted accordingly for the Playstation 4 but No, i still am not sold on why absolutely have to charge for the single ability to game online. the other stuff i mentioned? yeah charge me all day for that, those are other ways to bring the money in. i am interested to see the facts behind how helpful playstation plus has been for Sony. I haven't seen many complaints from the subscribers.

thats it though, just my opinion. i'm not gonna shove it down anyone's throat. I'm not a soldier in the console war nonesence. it's their job to sell these things not mine. i'll buy whatever i like the most.

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Well if they have a service like PS+ on PS4 with next gen games - they'll pretty much have my money. Don't see it happening, but it would be a deal breaker.

I agree, neither of us know for sure. But it is obvious that running an online service like PSN was at PS3 launch is a negligible cost, and running PSN as it is now clearly is going to take a good number of staff.

I am pointing out that them not charging at the moment, does not "prove" as you put it, that they can run it for free without losing money. I've laid out my argument why very clearly above.

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well you have pointed out how they could lose money, but not why they have to. of course psn costs money and they need to get that from somewhere but why again must it come from an online charge? you may not see the same as me but i think playstation plus does "prove" that you can still offer a quality service without touching my ability to game online.

discounts and freebies and 1 hour long game trials and all the other goodies it offers, some that i'm sure xbox live offers too, make it a great service worth paying for already. i'm sure it will be adjusted accordingly for the Playstation 4 but No, i still am not sold on why absolutely have to charge for the single ability to game online. the other stuff i mentioned? yeah charge me all day for that, those are other ways to bring the money in. i am interested to see the facts behind how helpful playstation plus has been for Sony. I haven't seen many complaints from the subscribers.

thats it though, just my opinion. i'm not gonna shove it down anyone's throat. I'm not a soldier in the console war nonesence. it's their job to sell these things not mine. i'll buy whatever i like the most.

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Well if they have a service like PS+ on PS4 with next gen games - they'll pretty much have my money. Don't see it happening, but it would be a deal breaker.

You need to go watch some Gaikai demos before you make that claim. They even talk about cloud computing way before MS ever did. Gaikai's tech has been working since like 2008. All of you haters are delusional. Go to Gaikai's website and look at the history timeline. Look at all the funding and support they were getting before Sony swooped in and bought them. MS said their data center saturation will grow to over 300,000 servers. Gaikai was already given a guiness world record for most wide spread cloud gaming network. Imagine how much it's continued to grow since then. Sony is here to compete this time around.

You do realise Micrsoft Azure is has been around for a long time right? and Azure is different than most cloud service and has "computing" as in processing and performance. I'm not bashing Sony's Gaikai and think it's an awesome feature sony is bringing to the table. MS using Azure for gaming is only a tiny tiny part that "uses" azure and not "is"

and don't be surprised if Gaikai uses Microsofts Azure... a lot of companies use Azure for their cloud services, even competition... Apple uses Azure for Icloud. these companies work together a lot and do not hate each other.

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I find it interesting that Nvidia lost out on providing the chips for the consoles but is obviously focusing on using their tech in the cloud for probably more than just Sony!! Seems they found a way to stay in the arms race didn't they!! As for computing in the cloud they talk about that in the keynote so its safe to say both consoles infrastructures will allow that to work.

I agree, neither of us know for sure. But it is obvious that running an online service like PSN was at PS3 launch is a negligible cost, and running PSN as it is now clearly is going to take a good number of staff.

I am pointing out that them not charging at the moment, does not "prove" as you put it, that they can run it for free without losing money. I've laid out my argument why very clearly above.

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I haven't read your post, but if you tell me the post number I'll check it out.

However, In the past, I've tried to explain Sony's business model.
Sony's really embracing alot of free 2 play, and it really seems to be working for them.

Do you know how many people have spent thousands of dollars on HOME? I was almost shocked to see it on Sony's forums.

Not only am I sure that Sony's going to keep HOME (Gaikai), But I'd bet you that they make another for the PS4.

What I'm trying to tell you is, in order for free 2 play to work....you need everyone you can get to participate.

But no one knows that Microsoft will be charging a fee or not. Plus, Sony could also see it as a "hey, their doing it, so why don't we?" type of deal, and make charging a fee to play used games a "thing" in the next generations to come.

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Yeah but given the amount of brand recognition that Xbox now has, and how many steps back Sony took in this generation (economically), they'll need every advantage over Microsoft they can get. Not charging fees to play used games is gonna be a HUGE advantage, one they'd be dumb not to exploit.

Tapatalking from my bed. Ya mutha says hi.

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If Sony wont do used game fees publishers will force them too.

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I could also see them getting less 3rd party support if the didnt implement some kind of system like MS. Not blocking used games in some form would be a big incentive for developers to avoid the PS4 since they would be guaranteed to lose money due to used game sales.

Yeah but given the amount of brand recognition that Xbox now has, and how many steps back Sony took in this generation (economically), they'll need every advantage over Microsoft they can get. Not charging fees to play used games is gonna be a HUGE advantage, one they'd be dumb not to exploit.

Tapatalking from my bed. Ya mutha says hi.

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If Sony wont do used game fees publishers will force them too.

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I could also see them getting less 3rd party support if the didnt implement some kind of system like MS. Not blocking used games in some form would be a big incentive for developers to avoid the PS4 since they would be guaranteed to lose money due to used game sales.

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I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

I could also see them getting less 3rd party support if the didnt implement some kind of system like MS. Not blocking used games in some form would be a big incentive for developers to avoid the PS4 since they would be guaranteed to lose money due to used game sales.

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I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

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You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

I could also see them getting less 3rd party support if the didnt implement some kind of system like MS. Not blocking used games in some form would be a big incentive for developers to avoid the PS4 since they would be guaranteed to lose money due to used game sales.

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I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

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You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

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You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

I could also see them getting less 3rd party support if the didnt implement some kind of system like MS. Not blocking used games in some form would be a big incentive for developers to avoid the PS4 since they would be guaranteed to lose money due to used game sales.

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I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

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You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

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Just try and ignore him if you can, he's one of the most arrogant pricks I've seen on here. Sony fanboys like him make it hard for me to respect the PlayStation community.

I swear it's like every topic you post in that I've read, it's so stupid that blood shoots out of my nose. wtf

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You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

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Just try and ignore him if you can, he's one of the most arrogant pricks I've seen on here. Sony fanboys like him make it hard for me to respect the PlayStation community.

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Amen to that. It's not even the fact that he's an annoying prick. It's the fact that he literally spends all of his time on the Xbox forums trolling. Which, like you said, is why the PlayStation community has a terrible reputation in terms of community backlash *cough* trolling *cough*, but Pickle here doesn't seem to understand that.

Many people are saying that if the Xbox One blocks used games, they will buy the PS4 instead. They fail to realize that the Playstation 4 will also block used games in some form. Sony's only comment on used games is that the system can play used games. They refuse to answer if there will be a fee attached, and said further details will come later (sound familiar)

Both Microsoft and Playstation will be grabbing as much $ as they can from each and every one of us. The game companys will charge higher prices.
The oil companys will charge us more. Food prices are not going to go down. Every one wants more money even you guys. Thats how it is and thats how
it has always been. Get ready to pay.

Many people are saying that if the Xbox One blocks used games, they will buy the PS4 instead. They fail to realize that the Playstation 4 will also block used games in some form. Sony's only comment on used games is that the system can play used games. They refuse to answer if there will be a fee attached, and said further details will come later (sound familiar)

It's gonna be a funny day when Sony makes their announcement.

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It'll be interesting what approach they take....I never really thought of it until now...but maybe this is why EA removed online pass for games. Remember that article? Maybe EA knew of upcoming 'used game fee' and thought a used game fee AND their online pass would be redudant, maybe the publishers will get a cut of the 'used game fee' or as i would call it....a license to play the game.

Many people are saying that if the Xbox One blocks used games, they will buy the PS4 instead. They fail to realize that the Playstation 4 will also block used games in some form. Sony's only comment on used games is that the system can play used games. They refuse to answer if there will be a fee attached, and said further details will come later (sound familiar)

It's gonna be a funny day when Sony makes their announcement.

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It'll be interesting what approach they take....I never really thought of it until now...but maybe this is why EA removed online pass for games. Remember that article? Maybe EA knew of upcoming 'used game fee' and thought a used game fee AND their online pass would be redudant, maybe the publishers will get a cut of the 'used game fee' or as i would call it....a license to play the game.

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This.

This is EXACTLY why they did it. It is absolutely redundant. EA got in bed with Microsoft, and now look whats happening.

Yoshida also said in that article,
That the PS4 doesn't have to be online at all.

So I don't see how.

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He may have said that, but I'm willing to wager that the PS4 will NEED a web connection at some point for software updates and game patches. To say that the PS4 won't need a web connection and doesn't need to be online at all is illogical.

The chances are that you'll need to pay a fee to play used games on the PS4 are 50/50 at the moment.

I'll guess we'll find out soon enough

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Well,
You can buy an XBOX 360 and a PS3 from the store right now, and not ever have to connect them online, yet still go to the store and buy and play games.

In Sony's case, they sell in countries where that dynamic does in fact take place. Sony seems quite content catering to this type of gamer.

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True.

But lets say you do that, try playing a modern game on any system that does not require an update or patch these days. And what about OS updates?

You are such an asshole man. Here's a nice, friendly response to that...

Get the sand out of your vagina and quit complaining about it. Wait until E3 and then you can complain until you cannot complain anymore. Which for you is probably impossible. My god, people like you make me want to give up on humanity.

Did that happen this generation? For large parts of the generation 360 was well ahead, despite the same monthly charge.

This charge being a terrible thing is never something any Xbox user says - its just used as ammunition by Sony fans in comments threads. I knew well and good I'd be paying £3.50 a month for the 360 and would pay nothing for PS3 when I got my 360 - I'm not rich by any means but £3.50 a month is meaningless to me. It didn't affect my decision at all.

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Charging to play online and charging to play used games are completely different. Not to mention, 360 got a year's head start and had already built a devoted online fanbase with the first Xbox.

Tapatalking from my bed. Ya mutha says hi.

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I bought my 360 when both were out, so did the majority of 360 gamers.

The used games issue is a bit of a tangent, we weren't talking about that.

I'd rather wait until we get a full explanation from both Sony and MS on their DRM policy is before judging.

I don't personally buy used games, my issue would be a policy that stopped me playing games if I had Internet problems...

Yoshida also said in that article,
That the PS4 doesn't have to be online at all.

So I don't see how.

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He may have said that, but I'm willing to wager that the PS4 will NEED a web connection at some point for software updates and game patches. To say that the PS4 won't need a web connection and doesn't need to be online at all is illogical.

The chances are that you'll need to pay a fee to play used games on the PS4 are 50/50 at the moment.

I'll guess we'll find out soon enough

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Two points here I want to address.

1. The always online thing has been address already in the PS4 event in February, where Mark Cerney said the PS4 will used a persistent connection for downloading updates and cloud feature, but in terms of needing to be online to play games and tying access to our account can be done online or offline. I have no reason to doubt X One will be any different so I hope people will started deading this issue quick

2. Why do people believe Sony is going to charge fees for used games when all past articles on the subject says they won't and there is no new evidence which says they will? Until such evidence is found saying such things just come off as fanboyishness, by trying to project a perceived negative onto someone else just to make yourselves feel better.

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Sorry man, I missed this.

People only perceive it as a negative because the word 'money' or 'fee' is mentioned. I see it as a positive, maybe a method of combating piracy, which I am all for to be honest. If it works, then it could (and don't hold me to this) start a chain of events that could see the prices of games fall. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board and the chances are they may scrap this 'fee'.

The fact that the 'fanboys' are using this as a weapon against those willing to give the XB1 a chance and see what the future holds when the chances are Sony 'MAY' announce the same thing (or do this in the near future for the reason I have stated above) is just... well, silly.

People only perceive it as a negative because the word 'money' or 'fee' is mentioned. I see it as a positive, maybe a method of combating piracy, which I am all for to be honest. If it works, then it could (and don't hold me to this) start a chain of events that could see the prices of games fall. If it doesn't, then back to the drawing board and the chances are they may scrap this 'fee'.

The fact that the 'fanboys' are using this as a weapon against those willing to give the XB1 a chance and see what the future holds when the chances are Sony 'MAY' announce the same thing (or do this in the near future for the reason I have stated above) is just... well, silly.

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Nothing is ever going to make the price of new games fall. They'll always find a reason to charge you more.

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Probably not, but if it helps fight piracy then I won't bitch about it.

The majority of the Internet has a pretty sour taste over the Xbox One reveal. All of the people I've talked to in person about it seemed underwhelmed at best. There was just a survey on IGN like yesterday that found that like 80% were underwhelmed by the reveal. Most gaming journalists and even developers are sharing negative views. Indie developers are enraged. Obvious all of these people are Sony fanboys. Fuck math and the sales figures for the last generation Sony and Microsoft consolers, even the ones who just owned an Xbox 360 were closeted Sony drones

This topic seems loaded with more Xbox drones than Sony drones. Just the fact that someone doesn't like the used games thing then you have a few people puffing up their chest getting all pissed because no one likes the used games barrier that MS is putting up. in return they seem to point the finger at Sony. This behavior seems pretty odd.

If we cant rule out the same happening to PS4, then it can possibly happen to PC gaming as well. All it would take is one publisher to set the ball rolling.

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Considering that most PC games i've played have an install code already, i would buy a PC based of of performance stats.
That'ss what i was meaning

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Okay I see what you mean, I haven't bought a PC game in years, I assumed used games could be loaned just as easily as console games are now.

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Hell no, even reissues of older games have a CD key these days. I remember picking up a GOTY edition of Neverwinter Nights on the PC, it had like four different codes for the main game and the expansions. That was a couple of years ago also.

Well if this is the way of the future I hope publishers and the console makers will at least ease the process a bit. Put limited number of downloads, lets say 5, or create a trial mode which can be shared, something other than just one use and done.

Honestly, the used game thing is fine with me. The problem is there are some gray areas in these policies that are coming out that need to be addressed. Not being able to let a friend borrow a game is beyond lame. Not letting other members of the household play a game without my login is a problem. etc... Deep down we all know that digital distribution / gaming from the cloud is the future. Developers don't want to give the pirates any more code and they want to get rid of used game sales and turn that used sale into a profitable one. For better or worse physical media is going away.

Honestly, the used game thing is fine with me. The problem is there are some gray areas in these policies that are coming out that need to be addressed. Not being able to let a friend borrow a game is beyond lame. Not letting other members of the household play a game without my login is a problem. etc... Deep down we all know that digital distribution / gaming from the cloud is the future. Developers don't want to give the pirates any more code and they want to get rid of used game sales and turn that used sale into a profitable one. For better or worse physical media is going away.

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Perhaps a solution to the game lending thing. Perhaps MS may say "Well you can lend a game to a friend if he is on your friends list on XBL but not to someone who isn't. This would encourage more friends to connect and play together"... Just a thought.

Hmmmm, oh dear. Looks like the SDF will need some handkerchiefs. Thanks for posting this

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that was made before the PS4 conference so I don't see what the point of that was. there is a Patent and you should see some of Microsoft patents that are just as bad if not worse but those revolve more around the camera. regardless, this topic is nothing more "hip hip horaay" finger pointing is the most false sense you can get in a forum.

I would really question your defensive stance after calling out other fanboys. SDF/XDF both sides have them and those that say otherwise are not worth discussing anything else with.

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that was made before the PS4 conference so I don't see what the point of that was. there is a Patent and you should see some of Microsoft patents that are just as bad if not worse but those revolve more around the camera. regardless, this topic is nothing more "hip hip horaay" finger pointing is the most false sense you can get in a forum.

I would really question your defensive stance after calling out other fanboys. SDF/XDF both sides have them and those that say otherwise are not worth discussing anything else with.

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Well you could be right. And as for my hatred of Sony as a company (I have reasons, previously stated) and my defence of Microsoft (again, I have reasons, previously stated plus more I haven't). I feel obliged to stand up for them when some un-informed fanboy comes onto what started out as a discussion thread and flames the company without facts facts and knowledge. I find it to be fun to be honest and if articles such as that make a few fanboys weep into their mothers breast milk then so be it.

Dear Xbots. Please stop pretending your delusional arguments as to why the PS4 is supposedly going to be just as horrible, are based on actual facts.
Every negative thing about the XO has been confirmed by Microsoft themselves...

Honestly, the used game thing is fine with me. The problem is there are some gray areas in these policies that are coming out that need to be addressed. Not being able to let a friend borrow a game is beyond lame. Not letting other members of the household play a game without my login is a problem. etc... Deep down we all know that digital distribution / gaming from the cloud is the future. Developers don't want to give the pirates any more code and they want to get rid of used game sales and turn that used sale into a profitable one. For better or worse physical media is going away.

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Perhaps a solution to the game lending thing. Perhaps MS may say "Well you can lend a game to a friend if he is on your friends list on XBL but not to someone who isn't. This would encourage more friends to connect and play together"... Just a thought.

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Not a bad idea at all. One potential draw back though, I would imagine they would want to implement a 'time limit' that each friend could play a 'game that was lent'.

I think Microsoft could implement a system with 2 types of game 'licenses', 'owned' and 'borrowed'.

Think of the relationship between owned and borrowed to be a parent-child relationship, as in, for a game to be 'borrowed', it must be 'owned' by someone else (logical and simple enough).

Let's say I have purchased the next halo, the game comes with 1 'owned' license and 1 'borrowed' license (just an example, enforces the current gen idea of borrowing a game where we must have disc to play). I then choose someone on my friends list and give them the 'borrowed' license of my game. Now since my friend has a 'borrowed' license, only one of us can play the game at the same time (since that's how it would work in current gen). Thus if we wanted to do matchmaking together from our own xbox's (xbox live), my friend would still have to get his own version of the game instead of just borrowing me.

I would still have the 'owned' license for the next halo game, so I would have the power to remove the 'borrowed' license from my friend and give it to another friend when I would want. Also, in-case I would want to play the game but my friend was actively playing the game, the 'owned' license owner would have the power to boot the 'borrowed' license owner out of the game so they can play (since I own the game, and my friend is just borrowing, I still get ultimate say of who gets to play and when). Pretty simple if you ask me.

Honestly, the used game thing is fine with me. The problem is there are some gray areas in these policies that are coming out that need to be addressed. Not being able to let a friend borrow a game is beyond lame. Not letting other members of the household play a game without my login is a problem. etc... Deep down we all know that digital distribution / gaming from the cloud is the future. Developers don't want to give the pirates any more code and they want to get rid of used game sales and turn that used sale into a profitable one. For better or worse physical media is going away.

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Perhaps a solution to the game lending thing. Perhaps MS may say "Well you can lend a game to a friend if he is on your friends list on XBL but not to someone who isn't. This would encourage more friends to connect and play together"... Just a thought.

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Not a bad idea at all. One potential draw back though, I would imagine they would want to implement a 'time limit' that each friend could play a 'game that was lent'.

I think Microsoft could implement a system with 2 types of game 'licenses', 'owned' and 'borrowed'.

Think of the relationship between owned and borrowed to be a parent-child relationship, as in, for a game to be 'borrowed', it must be 'owned' by someone else (logical and simple enough).

Let's say I have purchased the next halo, the game comes with 1 'owned' license and 1 'borrowed' license (just an example, enforces the current gen idea of borrowing a game where we must have disc to play). I then choose someone on my friends list and give them the 'borrowed' license of my game. Now since my friend has a 'borrowed' license, only one of us can play the game at the same time (since that's how it would work in current gen). Thus if we wanted to do matchmaking together from our own xbox's (xbox live), my friend would still have to get his own version of the game instead of just borrowing me.

I would still have the 'owned' license for the next halo game, so I would have the power to remove the 'borrowed' license from my friend and give it to another friend when I would want. Also, in-case I would want to play the game but my friend was actively playing the game, the 'owned' license owner would have the power to boot the 'borrowed' license owner out of the game so they can play (since I own the game, and my friend is just borrowing, I still get ultimate say of who gets to play and when). Pretty simple if you ask me.

Just my 2 cents...

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I can't see why MS would make this mandatory, they might make it optional and adjustable which wouldn't be a bad idea if you have a friend who borrows games for massive amounts of time. You could also make the achievements for the game un-available to the lender, he'd get a message like "You could have won the 'Bend Over and Grease up' (just an example) Achievement... If you owned your own copy"

This topic seems loaded with more Xbox drones than Sony drones. Just the fact that someone doesn't like the used games thing then you have a few people puffing up their chest getting all pissed because no one likes the used games barrier that MS is putting up. in return they seem to point the finger at Sony. This behavior seems pretty odd.

Honestly, the used game thing is fine with me. The problem is there are some gray areas in these policies that are coming out that need to be addressed. Not being able to let a friend borrow a game is beyond lame. Not letting other members of the household play a game without my login is a problem. etc... Deep down we all know that digital distribution / gaming from the cloud is the future. Developers don't want to give the pirates any more code and they want to get rid of used game sales and turn that used sale into a profitable one. For better or worse physical media is going away.

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Perhaps a solution to the game lending thing. Perhaps MS may say "Well you can lend a game to a friend if he is on your friends list on XBL but not to someone who isn't. This would encourage more friends to connect and play together"... Just a thought.

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Not a bad idea at all. One potential draw back though, I would imagine they would want to implement a 'time limit' that each friend could play a 'game that was lent'.

I think Microsoft could implement a system with 2 types of game 'licenses', 'owned' and 'borrowed'.

Think of the relationship between owned and borrowed to be a parent-child relationship, as in, for a game to be 'borrowed', it must be 'owned' by someone else (logical and simple enough).

Let's say I have purchased the next halo, the game comes with 1 'owned' license and 1 'borrowed' license (just an example, enforces the current gen idea of borrowing a game where we must have disc to play). I then choose someone on my friends list and give them the 'borrowed' license of my game. Now since my friend has a 'borrowed' license, only one of us can play the game at the same time (since that's how it would work in current gen). Thus if we wanted to do matchmaking together from our own xbox's (xbox live), my friend would still have to get his own version of the game instead of just borrowing me.

I would still have the 'owned' license for the next halo game, so I would have the power to remove the 'borrowed' license from my friend and give it to another friend when I would want. Also, in-case I would want to play the game but my friend was actively playing the game, the 'owned' license owner would have the power to boot the 'borrowed' license owner out of the game so they can play (since I own the game, and my friend is just borrowing, I still get ultimate say of who gets to play and when). Pretty simple if you ask me.

Perhaps a solution to the game lending thing. Perhaps MS may say "Well you can lend a game to a friend if he is on your friends list on XBL but not to someone who isn't. This would encourage more friends to connect and play together"... Just a thought.

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Not a bad idea at all. One potential draw back though, I would imagine they would want to implement a 'time limit' that each friend could play a 'game that was lent'.

I think Microsoft could implement a system with 2 types of game 'licenses', 'owned' and 'borrowed'.

Think of the relationship between owned and borrowed to be a parent-child relationship, as in, for a game to be 'borrowed', it must be 'owned' by someone else (logical and simple enough).

Let's say I have purchased the next halo, the game comes with 1 'owned' license and 1 'borrowed' license (just an example, enforces the current gen idea of borrowing a game where we must have disc to play). I then choose someone on my friends list and give them the 'borrowed' license of my game. Now since my friend has a 'borrowed' license, only one of us can play the game at the same time (since that's how it would work in current gen). Thus if we wanted to do matchmaking together from our own xbox's (xbox live), my friend would still have to get his own version of the game instead of just borrowing me.

I would still have the 'owned' license for the next halo game, so I would have the power to remove the 'borrowed' license from my friend and give it to another friend when I would want. Also, in-case I would want to play the game but my friend was actively playing the game, the 'owned' license owner would have the power to boot the 'borrowed' license owner out of the game so they can play (since I own the game, and my friend is just borrowing, I still get ultimate say of who gets to play and when). Pretty simple if you ask me.

Just my 2 cents...

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I can't see why MS would make this mandatory, they might make it optional and adjustable which wouldn't be a bad idea if you have a friend who borrows games for massive amounts of time. You could also make the achievements for the game un-available to the lender, he'd get a message like "You could have won the 'Bend Over and Grease up' (just an example) Achievement... If you owned your own copy"

Dear Xbots. Please stop pretending your delusional arguments as to why the PS4 is supposedly going to be just as horrible, are based on actual facts.
Every negative thing about the XO has been confirmed by Microsoft themselves...

Sony probably will end up blocking used games too, but they still have an edge on Xbox One in my book. We already know it's not forcing a $100+ peripheral device on us or making us be online to even use the device.