Mr. A N M: I will quote by earlier post: "Column 1, page B8 of the Utah section
fourth paragraph down of the printed edition it says: "Oct 24, 1910." In the
context of this article, and the previous one in December, this "typo" would
make it appear that the shooting incident occurred after Jerry claims that
Sundance returned from So. America which is a misrepresentation and needs a
correction from the News. If it was a typo, and not intentional, then the copy
editor should have caught it."

Yes I do agree with you, Mrs. Ernst's
book does contain some mistakes and typos. The typos, her editor at the
University of Oklahoma press should of corrected. Any subsequent printing should
contain the corrections. Her other so-called errors you-all seem to be adept at
pointing out. Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when you should
be trying to build up Jerry's case.

GTB: "Just like bullies on a playground, you seem to have chased off Zeke, Horse
Creek Cowboy, and Disinterested Observer. You should be proud of yourselves for
not being able to conduct a civil conversation."

Ghosttown Bob |
10:33 a.m. March 17, 2009 TM: "No, the DNA results have not been posted.
Three months and counting."

We understand your opinion GTB, (you are
close to overcooking your view) don't you know a different song to sing.
Instead of answering questions that were directed to Mr. Nickle, why don't you
address the questions just asked of you?

Our GTB sayeth: "Why spend all of your time trying to tear her down when you
should be trying to build up Jerry's case."

Bringing attention to
actual errors, mis-statements, mis-leading information, etc., doesn't qualify as
"tearing down" someone. It is simply pointing out things that should never have
been written, as she did. Then to compound these issues, it was published. Read
what her book says, GTB. I am bringing things to your atention that happened,
she wrote them. Period. It might even do you some good to reread your above
noted "statement".

As for Jerry's "case". First, I don't know.
Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to pre-judge like
you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the information to be
presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all, he was wrong, just
like your pal, D Buck was.

To be fair to Jerry, yes I have doubts
about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer. Don't you?

Thanks for the info. I find this all very interesting. What lives and times
these peopled lived. The thought of completely disappearing into History and
keeping all those stories to one self is amazing to me... If they survived... It
could not be done today. I hope they (Parker, Longabaugh and Place) found peace
and a life back in the U.S.

I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you: "I prefer
to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless position. . .
Youve once again proven some people just can not resist telling how smart they
are and how dumb [the rest of us] are. . . every time you respond to. .
. posts, it tells us more about you and what you really know about William
Henry Long, than you realize." You, Jerry, and the rest have not, in over 300
posts, provided anything more about William Henry Long that was not known from
reading the two articles by Geoff. You, Anonymous have been rude, overbearing,
duplicitous, and concerned only about proving how much "research" you have done
to the exclusion of others. No, you do not know it all, but you are a
know-it-all.

"I will answer you question with your own words, now directed to you: "I prefer
to defend the high ground and bait my advisory into a defenseless position."
PRAY TELL WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

As for Jerry's "case". First, I
don't know. Second, I have doubts about his theory. Third, I am not going to
pre-judge like you and "others" have done. The man deserves for ALL the
information to be presented, then (if he is not correct) you can scream to all,
he was wrong, just like your pal, D Buck was.

To be fair to Jerry,
yes I have doubts about his Mr. Long. I have stronger doubts about Mr. Zimmer.
Don't you?

THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE WERE MY LATEST RESPONSE TO
YOU. With all due respect GTB, you Sir are not only on the wrong page, you are
holding the wrong book and apparently are not even in the same library. Follow
your own advice, "get your facts straight before you go to print".

JAN: I was responding to Anonymous in the 10:56 a.m. post not to Just A Non in
the 11:30 a.m. post. If you are one and the same, my apologies; at least I am
using a handle that is recognizable and not hiding under a pseudonym someone
else is using.

Why all of the shouting? I think you are the one that
needs a rest.

As for Mr. Zimmer, At least Mr. Buck admitted that he
was not Butch or Sundance. That still doesn't mean that they were not killed in
San Vicente, just that Buck dug up the wrong grave.

The thing that struck me about Parker, Longabaugh and Place starting over again
in Agentina was the house they built (Looking at photo's I have seen on the
internet)of the rough cabin they built resembles Parker's own home cabin in
Utah. I can understand wanting to keep a low profile and not draw a lot of
attention to themselves...However, with other Europeans in the area, and with
Place and to some degree Parker and Longabaugh, appreciating the finner things
in life I thought they would have wanted to build a much nicer and more
comfortable home to start a new life. If I read correctly they had a large ranch
and heard of cattle as well as horses.

Ghosttown Bob,As you stated, Kerry Ross Boren - any credibility that he
had disappeared once he murdered his wife. Credibility: Exactly my point,
why would our foremost authority state on his web site, Lula Parker Betenson
came up with a completely new version of Butch and Sundance's "deaths," which
she had obtained from controversial outlaw researcher, Kerry Ross Boren. On
another web site, he says, In her book, Lula related an account of Butch's
death, that sounds as if she had simply split the differences among what she had
picked up from Baker, Sundance, Jr., Boren, and others: Co-author, Dora Flack
stated I assure you that Lula was not influenced by Kerry Boren (whom we both
knew) or Harry Longabaugh Jr., or any others.Our Foremost Authority knew
that by claiming Lula Parker Betenson used Kerry Ross Borens account of the
death of Butch and Sundance, that it would create a credibility issue for Lulas
claim, that Butch had returned. And finally, he implies that Lula suffers from a
"corroded memory".

Continued:These multiple posts on Boren, on a previous blog, leaves no
doubt what Mr. Buck himself thought of Boren, as an historian. Mr. Buck inserted
Kerry Ross Boren into the argument against the Betensons for one purpose, to
discredit Lula Parker Betenson.

Posted by Daniel Buck |17 Nov 3:17
PM 17 Nov 3:18 PM Nov 3:19 PM 17 Nov 3:20 PMP.S. My mention of Kerry Ross
Boren, the Baron Munchaesen of the outlaw history world, was a lampoonic remark
about those attracted to bandit reincarnations, not a recommendation to lap up
his writings. His claims to be the heir to the throne of Ireland as well as a
descendant of Montezuma speak for themselves He is also related to just about
any Old West figure you care to name. And, by the by, he did not simply murder
his wife, he beat her to death; days later he called the authorities to say she
was having trouble breathing. The coroner determined that at the time of his
call she had been dead for a couple days.

Ghosttown Bob,Anonymous: My last post directed at you was | 5:26 p.m.
March 6, 2009. My goodness, I believe you have tried to insult me Bob, No,
you do not know it all, but you are a know-it-all.I agree, I do not know
it all, actually I know very little, what I do know is about 20 times more than
you know. Unfortunately, that makes you a know nothing. Anonymous | 10:56
a.m. March 17, 2009 Youll have to forgive Bob, for he knows nothing.

I am told the above statement by Buck was denied (by Buck) a few years
ago, in Rock Springs. Wyoming. In fact, it was!

You see, since the
"Foremost A", has never (and most likely never will) prove what he "thinks", he
now believes that if he states that everyone else is wrong----WOW, then he will
be right. Really sad!

He will not stand behind what he says or
writes---this has already been shown, (more than) enough of Buck and his
disgusting methods.

If anyone, Buck included, wishes to discuss
Mrs. Betenson's mind, let it happen. I am glad to know people that were friends
of Lula, that were with her at the very end, that will gladly explain this area
to "the Foremost Authority". Anytime, anywhere.

I'm sure most of you
know, Buck never met Mrs. Betenson. From his viewpoint, probably just as well.

Thank tou, Whatever. Since what you said is true, you better hold
on to your hat.

Gaylen Robison - Very interesting information you gave about your family. Seems
like that would be enough to keep the naysayers quiet, but in truth, I don't
think anyone wants to truely find Sundance, Butch or Etta. If we know exactly
what happened to them then where would all the fun be? It will be interesting
to me to find out if this turns out to be Sundance.

"Does anyone
know if there is any truth to what I have heard, a time or two, about Buck
writing to Dora Flack (Mrs. Betenson's co-author) asking Mrs. Flack, if she
thought Lula was telling the "truth"?"

TM. You are a nice person. I appreciate your comment of March 17th. I don't know
for sure whatever happened to Robert Leroy Parker and Etta Place, but Great
Grandpa Long (Henry Alonzo Longabaugh) did find a life of peace after he came
home to Wayne County, Utah to a loving wife and family. He fathered two special
daughters and taught them well. After that they moved to the Uintah Basin about
1918. Who would ever think of looking for him there? Fact is, some did come
looking for him but nobody would tell. He was thought well of and had respect
and a good reputation at Duchesne for the rest of his life.