Not deserve it? Does anyone deserve anything? Is there a universal arbiter who has an objective view of everything, and decides what is and isn't deserved? Or is there just, the void - and, if so, by continuing the logic: nobody doesn't not-deserve anything, just as much as nobody deserves anything.

If a man tortures another man with a hammer then kills him for no reason, a group of other men will most certainly agree he did not deserve that. Then they probably would agree the man that tortured the other deserves to be killed. I don't think any universal judgment was used, just the common sense of those men, their feelings, and some logic (is it good/ok to kill another man for no reason?)That's how it works for me

I think we can come to an agreement, if we bear with each other on this question

Everything else aside, it looks like you get distracted by Linkola's spicing up his writings. You probably get the big picture and acknowledge the man is right; why the need for splitting hairs over hypothetical scenarios?

Well, I agree with the man on some things, just wished to point the part that seems unacceptable to me. I mean, just like someone can say "I admire the islamic life, but not the stoning to death of girls who have sex or the killing of homosexuals"

My point is that just because many people are not really "innocent" (innocent in the first place, being that in the context of mass killing, many of the people that die may not deserve it), i doesn't mean it's right to go exterminating everyone. We gotta have more criteria, and compassion. Why not settle for forced sterelization? The lives of the people will only last till they die, and they will not reproduce. Isn't that enough? It's hard enough to get people to agree on forced sterelization, or even birth limits.

I think destructor is missing the point. I used to think the instrumental part was the best, too, but I saw that in the good bands, the vocals are an element in the song, not something that worsens it taking up all the attention.

Millions of innocent lives would be sacrificed, only to be replaced later and the population growth would not cease

More intelligent populations breed less, often barely above replacement rates even when healthy. How many Europeans and North Asians are there versus the rest of the world? That's one-fifth of the world, even including their peasants.

The problem is idiots. They breed. They do nothing functional, or constructive, but they think they have an equal right to this earth. Just because they are.

Tell me this: where in nature do you find a definition of "innocent"?

My definition of innocent is a person who does his honest work, tries not to harm other people and the world around him. You know what I mean. Yes it's a common cliche, but it works for me. If I can't label anyone as innocent, then no one is innocent. I mean innocent in a context, in that case, there may be some people who even supported pentti linkola that would die. I mean, why destroy millions of lives we don't even know who they are? Is this a good solution? Indiscriminate killing? How would we know the people killed would be idiots? There's no way. (not that I support the mass killing of idiots - as I said, sterelization is another topic). I'm for a rational improvement and downsizing in population. Not even the chinese had to do mass killings to downsize their population (in recent times, not in mao tse tung's times). For what I know they just limited birth numbers. Eugenics is not the same as genocide. Genocide is a thing I cannot agree with.

From what I know of this site, the above rant by me may be considered "moralist"? Or am I wrong? I know I stressed death a lot on it. However, I cannot escape that tought. I'm all for a more realistical view of things, but not necessairly one this violent.

Yes, these behaviours do tend to attract some silly women. But be not misled, into thinking smart woman don't fall for that. It's in their minds, they're all the same. There can be a smart woman, responsible, well read, who has a intelligent man, put a guy doing the things I mentioned, and she will feel atracted to him (not sayin she would cheat [many do], but certainly feel atracted). Or, that same woman, having a divorce, guess what type of guy whe will run to and find attractive in her new single life?

I'm not tying to devalue woman, I'm saying, if you some day have a hot wife, intelligent, beautiful, good family, and marry you, and then some guy younger and prettier than you comes along, be viril, dominant, and daring, she will get wet for him. (most of the times). I think the possibility of finding woman who wouldn't feel this way, may be the same of finding married men who never cheat.

I like the vocals on extreme metal and could not imagine it being any other way. People who shun extreme metal because the vocals sound like "monsters" or satanic, are idiots to me. Why concentrate on the vocals only to define the music?

I like death/black metal vocals because they're not like heavy metal, in wich the guy sustains his voice for a long time over the song. One type of vocal I like is when the guy just spits a few words/sentences rapidly while the music is playing full speed. Like in Morbid Visions, the song War for example.

Be an active, dominant, violent, agressive and smart asshole and women will love you. Do unexpected and "daring" actions that most men will not do, and they will love you. Their mentality is as simple as that.

That's good, but I have some issues with Pentti Linkola. Saying that he would push a button so that millions of people would die is just cruel. Millions of innocent lives would be sacrificed, only to be replaced later and the population growth would not cease, since the human population is in the billions (I don't know if it has reached 7 billion yet). I'm sure some murderous, criminal scum would be eliminated, but so would be passionate, hard working, honest and intelligent people, and innocent children.

Forced sterelization on the other hand, is a completely different thing,

My own opinion is changing toward the former, upon listening to "My Journey to the Stars" yesterday. No, not all his music has to be as good and epic as that track, but it was a real eye-opener. Sadly, it gets the typical post-99 review of "well it's better than most of the stuff out there".

Listening to My Journey to The Stars really will make you see what once was is better than what now is.