ze2be wrote:It looks great! Finally a big view on the eq. I got adicted to use Fabfilter Pro C and especially Pro Q and Pro L in the workflow, but this will do all the same stuf internally, and then some. Great! The mouse drag treshold line stuf on the gate and the compressor waveform looks very intuitive.

+1

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andydes wrote:I'm one of the ones who'd like to see ableton building on what made them different in the first place.

Precisely.
I dont use Protools in hopes it will make session view enhancements someday, hence in some kind of "league."
Maybe I just got into Ableton Live for different reasons too long ago.
Yet it seems to me many users want to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I dont mind new FX, sound enhancing tools, mouse clkicking improvements and features etc..
Yet over time I start getting hardware for what 1's and 0's arent as good at.
But it would be nice to see a company like Ableton to sieze what they started by making a computer become more fun, and push the boundaries of what computers are good at which analogue gear lacks out of expense/space.
I want Live to continue to excel in what made them great "Turning Laptops into Instruments."

andydes wrote:I'm one of the ones who'd like to see ableton building on what made them different in the first place.

Precisely.
I dont use Protools in hopes it will make session view enhancements someday, hence in some kind of "league."
Maybe I just got into Ableton Live for different reasons too long ago.
Yet it seems to me many users want to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I dont mind new FX, sound enhancing tools, mouse clkicking improvements and features etc..
Yet over time I start getting hardware for what 1's and 0's arent as good at.
But it would be nice to see a company like Ableton to sieze what they started by making a computer become more fun, and push the boundaries of what computers are good at which analogue gear lacks out of expense/space.
I want Live to continue to excel in what made them great "Turning Laptops into Instruments."

I agree with all of this yet part of getting to that point is adding those features. No feature is less or more important in that respect, ESPECIALLY not something like PDC or sample accurate waveforms.

petit nuage wrote:interesting....BUT for me an improved PDC will be the best "new" feature !!!

Yeah. Let's talk about the REAL features. I love all the bells & whistles as much as the next man but I want the features that makes Pro Tools HD the industry standard -

I'm all for workflow features being added, especially the really important ones (the ones which I want ) ... but, c'mon comparing Ableton Live to ProTools HD? Really? You think Ableton's closest competitor in market-sector (and price) and the one they compare themselves with is ... Protools HD?

Look at this forum man. It's full of people making "my first Dubstep" and doing fan mixes of Skrillex. Sure, there are long-time musicians using this software to granularise their polytonal operetta, but lets be clear about this - 80% of the Ableton userbase doesn't know what a compressor is, but only that they need one on every track, to make it PHAT. Think - FruityStudio, Sony Acid, Prop's Reason. That's the sector.

If Ableton Live is ever an alternative for someone shopping for a ProToolsHD rig I will eat my least tasty hat.

hmj wrote:
I'm all for workflow features being added, especially the really important ones (the ones which I want ) ... but, c'mon comparing Ableton Live to ProTools HD? Really? You think Ableton's closest competitor in market-sector (and price) and the one they compare themselves with is ... Protools HD?

Look at this forum man. It's full of people making "my first Dubstep" ...

Dubstep hating aside, I bought live 4 knowing what it could and couldn't do.

While there's features I'd like to see added, if I thought anything was lacking that was essential, I would have looked elsewhere.

I find it odd that people complain so much about things other daws can do.

I'd kind of hope for live 9 to be live 8 + more live like stuff, rather than live 8 + more protools like stuff.

My main concern is about compatibility between projects made with earlier versions of live. I'm scared...
So far, after every upgrade, it's been almost perfectly compatible. But if they re-write all the automation stuff, i really hope it'll be able to read old stuff without any bug...

petit nuage wrote:interesting....BUT for me an improved PDC will be the best "new" feature !!!

Yeah. Let's talk about the REAL features. I love all the bells & whistles as much as the next man but I want the features that makes Pro Tools HD the industry standard -

I'm all for workflow features being added, especially the really important ones (the ones which I want ) ... but, c'mon comparing Ableton Live to ProTools HD? Really? You think Ableton's closest competitor in market-sector (and price) and the one they compare themselves with is ... Protools HD?

Look at this forum man. It's full of people making "my first Dubstep" and doing fan mixes of Skrillex. Sure, there are long-time musicians using this software to granularise their polytonal operetta, but lets be clear about this - 80% of the Ableton userbase doesn't know what a compressor is, but only that they need one on every track, to make it PHAT. Think - FruityStudio, Sony Acid, Prop's Reason. That's the sector.

If Ableton Live is ever an alternative for someone shopping for a ProToolsHD rig I will eat my least tasty hat.

I have to agree

Live will never ever be a competitor to Pro Tools, nor should it ever try. Pro Tools is a very deep program which comes at a price, 20 years of legacy bloat. Avid cannot get rid of any features without risk of alienating their existing user base. There is code in there which has been there since its inception !!!! Protools Is the best audio editor and mixing DAW out there .Period. It does this incredibly well and rightly has become the industry standard because of this BUT at some things it really sucks RTAS/Midi are appalling.

Live is a very innovative and cool product which lends itself to a new way of composing and performing, these are its strengths, and if Ableton losses sight of this they will fail. I love using it but its mixing side really needs basic improvement. For mixing Electronic stuff its OK but imagine trying to do complex vocal moves in Live, a real PITA. Have a look at Protools mixing automation to see how far behind they are. Thats not to say don't improve Live's automation, but dont try and compete or compare.

I would hope Live 9 is a consolidation and improvement of what they do best and not an attempt at a PT killer.

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