Really we're approaching a grey area with the brain-dead thing, it's hard to define the moment of death. But the moment of life is easy to define, union of meosis cells to create that first cell.

I was being nice, if you don't like sweetheart, pick honey or hun or sweetie or whatever you may prefer. I don't throw these around as freely as most women my age, but I have been known to use them periodically. It means that I am being friendly.

You've got to be kidding, you are saying we have been burying live people, thousands of live cells, for all that time?

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man

(02-11-2013 12:51 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote: No one like a condescending person.

Really we're approaching a grey area with the brain-dead thing, it's hard to define the moment of death. But the moment of life is easy to define, union of meosis cells to create that first cell.

I was being nice, if you don't like sweetheart, pick honey or hun or sweetie or whatever you may prefer. I don't throw these around as freely as most women my age, but I have been known to use them periodically. It means that I am being friendly.

You've got to be kidding, you are saying we have been burying live people, thousands of live cells, for all that time?

No no no! (And I'm sorry, I thought you were being con.) I can tell when I have a dead man in front of me, but I can't tell when someone dies exactly. But, I can easily tell when I have a living person in front of me and when a person becomes alive.

(02-11-2013 01:04 PM)Dom Wrote: I was being nice, if you don't like sweetheart, pick honey or hun or sweetie or whatever you may prefer. I don't throw these around as freely as most women my age, but I have been known to use them periodically. It means that I am being friendly.

You've got to be kidding, you are saying we have been burying live people, thousands of live cells, for all that time?

No no no! (And I'm sorry, I thought you were being con.) I can tell when I have a dead man in front of me, but I can't tell when someone dies exactly. But, I can easily tell when I have a living person in front of me and when a person becomes alive.

Do you understand now?

If I put a fetus in front of you, next to a small tumor, you can't tell the difference. Not by sight, and if you take a knife and dissect them, you still can't tell the difference. With a microscope you could likely tell a difference in tissue composition.

The small fetus is exactly like a tumor, it attaches itself to the host and feeds off it. The difference being that the fetus will eventually grow into a human baby, while the tumor stays a tumor. The difference is DNA. DNA is not live. But a tumor with the correct DNA can grow to be a small human instead of staying a tumor.

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man

(02-11-2013 01:06 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote: No no no! (And I'm sorry, I thought you were being con.) I can tell when I have a dead man in front of me, but I can't tell when someone dies exactly. But, I can easily tell when I have a living person in front of me and when a person becomes alive.

Do you understand now?

If I put a fetus in front of you, next to a small tumor, you can't tell the difference. Not by sight, and if you take a knife and dissect them, you still can't tell the difference. With a microscope you could likely tell a difference in tissue composition.

The small fetus is exactly like a tumor, it attaches itself to the host and feeds off it. The difference being that the fetus will eventually grow into a human baby, while the tumor stays a tumor. The difference is DNA. DNA is not live. But a tumor with the correct DNA can grow to be a small human instead of staying a tumor.

(02-11-2013 01:13 PM)Dom Wrote: If I put a fetus in front of you, next to a small tumor, you can't tell the difference. Not by sight, and if you take a knife and dissect them, you still can't tell the difference. With a microscope you could likely tell a difference in tissue composition.

The small fetus is exactly like a tumor, it attaches itself to the host and feeds off it. The difference being that the fetus will eventually grow into a human baby, while the tumor stays a tumor. The difference is DNA. DNA is not live. But a tumor with the correct DNA can grow to be a small human instead of staying a tumor.

Are they similar biologically or metaphorically?

Visually. As is your observation power of a dead versus a life human.

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man

I am of the opinion that Abortion should be legal because I know that making it illegal won't stop people from attempting it. I would rather have it done under proper medical observation than in a back alley, if I had to choose. Also, I am against needlessly aborting a baby, I am of the opinion that it is a choice not to be made lightly, a other options should be considered first. I advocate abortions to be used if 1.)having the baby will in some way kill the mother/ and or the child, and 2.) If we know that the baby will suffer tremendously in life, and its better to put it out of its misery.

(02-11-2013 01:14 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote: Are they similar biologically or metaphorically?

Visually. As is your observation power of a dead versus a life human.

I didn't mean LITERALLY if you put them in front of me; I mean I know from reading and books and things when something is alive and when it is alive (for I cannot see the union of meosis cells), but it's hard to tell when someone dies.