Really? Classic Usagi is also incredibly Mary Sue - no matter what version, she really is that way by nature. Everyone just adores her no matter what.

I think people misused the word Mary SueA mary sue is somebody who is perffect in every way,shape and form.She dosen't make any miatakes.And every loves her.Crystal Usagi i not a mary sue,she makes mistakes,and is not perfect.Same with ClassicNo version with Usagi was a Mary Sue.

Not necessarily. People have differing opinions on what exactly constitutes a "Mary Sue" character. See the TV Tropes article for a good explanation.

Generally speaking, a Mary Sue is a character who is idealized, who has flaws that don't actually interfere with her character/storyline, and who is all about author wish fulfillment. Usagi is most definitely that. No matter what flaws she has (crybaby, clumsy, etc) they don't really cause any problems, and in fact make her more endearing. Everything she does turns out right in the end. And everyone immediately adores her. While I do love Usagi and the series, she is very much a Mary Sue archetype.

Honestly, for all her faults, Classic. She seems like the sort of girl I'd be friends with IRL. Her relationship with Chibi-Usa is more like a sibling, rather than...whatever Crystal was? She's more loving, forgiving, and cares about things other than Mamoru. (And I LOVE Mamoru.) She has flaws, is more goofy and silly...is more than just a main character...you know?

Honestly, for all her faults, Classic. She seems like the sort of girl I'd be friends with IRL. Her relationship with Chibi-Usa is more like a sibling, rather than...whatever Crystal was? She's more loving, forgiving, and cares about things other than Mamoru. (And I LOVE Mamoru.) She has flaws, is more goofy and silly...is more than just a main character...you know?

Usagi does care about things other than Mamorou,she cares about er friends.

What classic Usagi can do is crying and begging the enemy "Yamete! Onegai..." (The final battle with Death Busters and Nehelenia part in Stars).

She destroyed three of her foes Metalia/Beryl, Wiseman and Pharaoh 90. She helped Nehelenia which was a nice change of pace and she healed Galaxia because she was a fellow senshi. I dont see what's wrong with that, Usagi is supposed to be a very pure hearted person afterall

What classic Usagi can do is crying and begging the enemy "Yamete! Onegai..." (The final battle with Death Busters and Nehelenia part in Stars).

She destroyed three of her foes Metalia/Beryl, Wiseman and Pharaoh 90. She helped Nehelenia which was a nice change of pace and she healed Galaxia because she was a fellow senshi. I dont see what's wrong with that, Usagi is supposed to be a very pure hearted person afterall

The issue to me is that she never killed any "human formed" enemy at all (For example: 4 Ayakashi Sisters, Prince Demande, Witches 5, Kaolinite, Professor Tomoe, Queen Nehelenia).

She killed Kunzite but yeah most of the time she never killed human-like enemies which is good in my book. She's supposed to be all about love and justice so it makes sense for her to not want to kill but show mercy/heal/punish some other way

She killed Kunzite but yeah most of the time she never killed human-like enemies which is good in my book. She's supposed to be all about love and justice so it makes sense for her to not want to kill but show mercy/heal/punish some other way

Actually, I'm pretty sure she just blocked his attack and the attack reflected back on him, killing him. I'm only saying this because I like that Usagi never killed anyone human formed, and I like that even in the filler episodes, they reflected this.

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What classic Usagi can do is crying and begging the enemy "Yamete! Onegai..." (The final battle with Death Busters and Nehelenia part in Stars).

She destroyed three of her foes Metalia/Beryl, Wiseman and Pharaoh 90. She helped Nehelenia which was a nice change of pace and she healed Galaxia because she was a fellow senshi. I dont see what's wrong with that, Usagi is supposed to be a very pure hearted person afterall

The issue to me is that she never killed any "human formed" enemy at all (For example: 4 Ayakashi Sisters, Prince Demande, Witches 5, Kaolinite, Professor Tomoe, Queen Nehelenia).

She used her mercy arbitrarily.

how is that arbitrary, though? Usagi may kill "monsters of the day" but she doesn't kill human formed enemies. It stays consistent. Metalia, Wiseman, and Pharoah 90 were basically incarnations of Chaos, she had no choice but to kill them.

Crystal Usagi is more focused, relatable, and mature. Honestly going back and watching the 90s anime Usagi is just annoying at times. She has a very big heart which is still present in Crystal, but in the 90s anime she would focus on her emotions irrationally. Crystal Usagi still has emotions and she has her moments of seemingly irrational breakdowns, (as seen in the Black Moon arc) but she handles them much more realistically. Don't get me wrong, the funny Usagi of the 90s was great, but she was too much sometimes. She was actually my least favourite out of the girls, and now, thanks to Crystal, she's probably 3rd or so.

i agreed with you too she is better now than the old usagiold one was so childish and annoying &crying all the time but in crystal she's very mature and act like a real princess and more beautiful than the old one

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Really? Classic Usagi is also incredibly Mary Sue - no matter what version, she really is that way by nature. Everyone just adores her no matter what.

Well Usagi's more of a Mary sue in the manga/Crystal because she can just one-hit kill enemies while in the classic anime she usually has help fighting the MoTD and finishes them off, and the producers at Toei made things even worse because in Crystal Usagi is the only senshi who gets to do anything.

Really? Classic Usagi is also incredibly Mary Sue - no matter what version, she really is that way by nature. Everyone just adores her no matter what.

Well Usagi's more of a Mary sue in the manga/Crystal because she can just one-hit kill enemies while in the classic anime she usually has help fighting the MoTD and finishes them off, and the producers at Toei made things even worse because in Crystal Usagi is the only senshi who gets to do a Anything.

How does that make Usagi a mary sue? Also Usagi isn't the one who does evrything.The girls and Mamorou do fight, attaced the villions,here there were even abel to destroyed droids on there own. Also rember how Venu,and Mamorou both destroyed thoes twins in act 19.With no help from Sailor Moon,because her rod didn't worked.

I was going to go for a little of both. Crystal Usagi isn't bad at all to me. I can't really think of too many scenes where I found Crystal Usagi's performance stellar. I do like how impulsive she is sometime and to me, Crystal Usagi seems a lot more powerful sometimes or maybe its just the art style and how she just does things...like that Moon Healing Escalation into outer space...

However, I remembered things that made me like Usagi in the first like how Classic Usagi kept screaming out Crisis Make Up in Sailor Moon S until she transformed to save Hotaru with her pure heart, and a few other key scenes (saving the day against Cameramanman youma, using Moon Tiara action on Mamoru, almost being suffocated between Mamoru and that balloon Remless, etc.) so I selected Classic.

I like both the Classic and Crystal Usagi, although I prefer Classic a teeny tiny bit more since she so kawaii and she grows up over the course of the series, being a big crybaby in the start to a brave hero in the end. I also like Crystal because she's much more powerful than the classic one and she acts and looks like a princess. It's just so hard to choose since they're both totally awesome!

I like Crystal Usagi more, the original one was a lot more immature and selfish, and they really played up gags with her a lot - either way Usagi is my favorite character, but denying she was many times extremely selfish is forgetting a lot of the things she has done. She is loving and caring, and enough so that it does outweigh a lot of the selfishness and doesn't make it a primary character trait, but it's pretty prevalent throughout the 90s anime.

That, and I really, really like the representation of Usagi and Mamoru's relationship. I never hated their relationship, but I thought it was really lackluster in the 90s anime and I didn't really understand how they had such an allegedly strong bond... Moreso since many times Mamoru got the short end of the stick for character development.

Didn't all of the Inners go through a "Mamoru-how-dare-you" episode in SuperS? I wanted to slap them each time, poor Mamo doesn't deserve it at that point. He's bland after season 1 and R, but he's not a jerk.

The problem I have with Classic Usagi is that after acting so mature for a few episodes (the season finales), she completely forgets she is mature and starts acting like always in the new season.So I vote for Crystal Usagi.

^So Anime Usagi is pretty much Pikachu going from Lvl 50 in one region back to Lvl 5 in the next.

--Personally I feel as though Crystal Usagi is more relatable and mature. She is a subdued character and has many moments where she's in thought (internal and external monologue). She doesn't need to be constantly reminded to transform or attack every single lesson. Sure she can be quite irrational at times (stabbing herself when she killed her evil unofficial boyfriend) but she's a 14 year old girl.