Sadly, the one thing your neglecting is what Keith is explaining. When it comes to the American engineering, this is where the innovation comes in. Technology can be awesome, but remember that, for instance, there's very little performance difference from an Alienware laptop and an Asus laptop. Basically, our technology in cars is not light years ahead of anyone, maybe it looks different or functions different, but that isn't something America has up on the competition. You choose what kind of tech mods you want, and if a ZR1 doesn't have it, and a Viper does, then the choice is clear to you.

There's just no reason to hold a car's standards by how much better the technology is when everyone is sticking the same stuff in really. Just matters what the car is for, and within the engineering aspect of that is why the ZR1 and the Viper are so amazing.

Sadly, the one thing your neglecting is what Keith is explaining. When it comes to the American engineering, this is where the innovation comes in. Technology can be awesome, but remember that, for instance, there's very little performance difference from an Alienware laptop and an Asus laptop. Basically, our technology in cars is not light years ahead of anyone, maybe it looks different or functions different, but that isn't something America has up on the competition. You choose what kind of tech mods you want, and if a ZR1 doesn't have it, and a Viper does, then the choice is clear to you.

There's just no reason to hold a car's standards by how much better the technology is when everyone is sticking the same stuff in really. Just matters what the car is for, and within the engineering aspect of that is why the ZR1 and the Viper are so amazing.

Yes I understand that and agree with you. But my original point with all of this and then we should get back on track to mustangs is that mostly American cars have been known for compromising me. Thats why I used the ZR1 and viper as examples. Yes the viper tech is nothing new and its not worlds ahead of anything else out there. But its the first american car built without compromising on major things like interior quality. Or sometimes its the opposite like the S5 audi where the interior is great but it has a 350hp engine. Though thats not an American example but whatever.

Both the zr1 and viper are awesome cars if I could afford them I'd have either one. My argument was soley looking at it objectively in terms of what each offers for dollar value. The zr1 is an amazing bang for buck because to get that power you need to pay 200k anywhere else. But then the interior is lacking and some comforts are lacking. Thats why I am saying the viper is an even better bang for buck because its good everywhere and even cheaper than a ZR1. Though lets not forget with the c7 coming out soon I see that changing very quickly. I'm sure the new corvette will be on the same level.

Sadly, the one thing your neglecting is what Keith is explaining. When it comes to the American engineering, this is where the innovation comes in. Technology can be awesome, but remember that, for instance, there's very little performance difference from an Alienware laptop and an Asus laptop. Basically, our technology in cars is not light years ahead of anyone, maybe it looks different or functions different, but that isn't something America has up on the competition. You choose what kind of tech mods you want, and if a ZR1 doesn't have it, and a Viper does, then the choice is clear to you.

There's just no reason to hold a car's standards by how much better the technology is when everyone is sticking the same stuff in really. Just matters what the car is for, and within the engineering aspect of that is why the ZR1 and the Viper are so amazing.

Don't even try to talk sense in this morons head...I've owned and drove more cars than he will ever dream of but in his warped head he knows all

don't forget this is the same guy that bad mouthed the 013 GT500 and went and bought one...oh then had to come on here and ask people how to shift

it!!..but he knows what all cars can do which ones are cruisers and performance cars...an American car has been beating most of the ultra expensive

Euro and Jap cars for the last 5 years and there's no dought in my mind so will the new Viper but for this yoyo to say it's a better cruiser more tech than the

ZR1 before it even hit the streets to the public..I need not say more..as a matter of fact the 013 GT500 that he so knocks will beat lots of those ultra expensive

Don't even try to talk sense in this morons head...I've owned and drove more cars than he will ever dream of but in his warped head he knows all

don't forget this is the same guy that bad mouthed the 013 GT500 and went and bought one...oh then had to come on here and ask people how to shift

it!!..but he knows what all cars can do which ones are cruisers and performance cars...an American car has been beating most of the ultra expensive

Euro and Jap cars for the last 5 years and there's no dought in my mind so will the new Viper but for this yoyo to say it's a better cruiser more tech than the

ZR1 before it even hit the streets to the public..I need not say more..as a matter of fact the 013 GT500 that he so knocks will beat lots of those ultra expensive

cars also in the Texas mile.

OK well I tried to get this back on topic but I can't stay quiet with this bs your saying.

I find it EXTREMELY ironic you are calling me a moron or stupid or ANYTHING, and then touting how you know way more about all these american cars because you're older than me. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ZR1 HAS ON IT. Titanium exhaust? Full body carbon fiber? Please go look on chevy and read the specs of the car.

As far as knowing about the viper before it hits the streets http://www.drivesrt.com/srt-viper/ HERE YA GO!!!!!! All the info you could want on it. Lots of detail too. The internet is a wonderful tool.

Sorry I had to ask about shifting a high hp car its my first manual, I grew up in the 21st century where manuals comprise maybe 5% of cars on the road now. I wasn't born in the 60s. Yea I said crap about the gt500 because I'm not a FANBOY. Its a great car and is the best bang for buck that I could afford. Doesn't mean there are things that could be made easily better by Ford. Believe me if I made more I wouldn't be driving it.

And if you want to talk about just an American car beating out Euro and Jap cars, well I could easily slap a twin turbo on a GT and beat pretty much everything. Does that make it better? NO.

I don't know where you think I am being a know it all. Are you blind? Its so simple, look at a viper interior, and then look at a ZR1 interior. Can you not see the difference? Look at a ZR1 spec sheet and look at a viper spec sheet. Can you not see the similiarties in 0-60 and 1/4 mile? Look at nurburgring ring times for the older versions of both. Pretty close. It's not being a know it all, its just LOOKING and SEEING and using your god damn brain to put 2 AND 2 together.

When you resort to personal attacks its because you can't back up what your saying with facts. I am literally just spewing facts a 5 minute google search can come up with. I suggest you try and do the same. And now I am done with this debate its time to move on.

OK well I tried to get this back on topic but I can't stay quiet with this bs your saying.

I find it EXTREMELY ironic you are calling me a moron or stupid or ANYTHING, and then touting how you know way more about all these american cars because you're older than me. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ZR1 HAS ON IT. Titanium exhaust? Full body carbon fiber? Please go look on chevy and read the specs of the car.

As far as knowing about the viper before it hits the streets http://www.drivesrt.com/srt-viper/ HERE YA GO!!!!!! All the info you could want on it. Lots of detail too. The internet is a wonderful tool.

Sorry I had to ask about shifting a high hp car its my first manual, I grew up in the 21st century where manuals comprise maybe 5% of cars on the road now. I wasn't born in the 60s. Yea I said crap about the gt500 because I'm not a FANBOY. Its a great car and is the best bang for buck that I could afford. Doesn't mean there are things that could be made easily better by Ford. Believe me if I made more I wouldn't be driving it.

And if you want to talk about just an American car beating out Euro and Jap cars, well I could easily slap a twin turbo on a GT and beat pretty much everything. Does that make it better? NO.

I don't know where you think I am being a know it all. Are you blind? Its so simple, look at a viper interior, and then look at a ZR1 interior. Can you not see the difference? Look at a ZR1 spec sheet and look at a viper spec sheet. Can you not see the similiarties in 0-60 and 1/4 mile? Look at nurburgring ring times for the older versions of both. Pretty close. It's not being a know it all, its just LOOKING and SEEING and using your god damn brain to put 2 AND 2 together.

When you resort to personal attacks its because you can't back up what your saying with facts. I am literally just spewing facts a 5 minute google search can come up with. I suggest you try and do the same. And now I am done with this debate its time to move on.

LOL...your one piece of work...do you really believe everything you google ?...remember BS in BS out and as far as spec sheets go they mean

dick all...it's good ole experience and hands on with cars that count not spec sheets...but thats what a know it all young punk like you goes by..

enough said about this subject..go read your spec sheets and I'll go drive the real thing..oh and go enjoy the beautiful American car you own

now and come back and tell us true events that you experienced with it and not something you googled.

Its easy for you to say that because your creating parts about the car that don't exist lol. Your right though the spec sheet is a lie. There really is a titanium exhaust on the zr1 and the whole thing is carbon fiber excuse me for being wrong. Anyways done moving on now.

Me too. A 76 Toyota Corolla with rusted through doors panels was my first set of wheels. Bought it for $1500 which I save working all summer as a busboy at Denny's.

Hmmm my first car wasn't THAT ghetto. Got my sister's 2003 hand me down civic with like 104k miles for first car. That lasted all of a year though. Besides I hate the whole oh we have to drive crap before we drive something good mentality. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone starting off with a ferrari for the first car as long as they appreciate it and understand how fortuante they are and take care of it then whats the problem?

But to get back on topic. If the 2015 shares the same body maybe if they include myford touch it would be worth it for us guys to change out our navs or radios (if you don't have nav) to the my ford touch. That thing looks bad ass I wish they included it in the 13s to begin with I don't know why they didn't.

I would almost say my generation is 50/50 about their opinion on the 2013 Mustang. Most anyone of my friends or people I meet would know that mustangs are muscle cars and are respectable, and would not mind having one. A lot of people are now writing about appealing to the next generation, but I'm on the fence if that is the issue.

That's actually a well writen assessment of the gap between Gen Y and those marketing to them concerning any automotive product (not just Ford) though I feel it's a little short sighted in one aspect, and that's with the Gen Y lack of a need for a car. The writers examples can only be attributed to that portion of the Population in and around large cities with a well executed transportation system. That basically narrows it down to the North East and pockets of the West Coast and North West. I don't know many major cities in between the two coast that catter well to those living within city center.

I do agree that the car which was a symbol of freedom and self expression since it was made readily available to the masses with the Model T has been relegated by many as nothing more than a necessity for transportation. That a since of freedom and the need for self expression is now played out on the internet and not Main Street. It will be interesting to see how te automotive market will change as Gen X ages. It may take my Daughters' generation to swing the pendulum back the other direction.

08SGT0343 Fueled with CS branded pixie dust ground from the asphault of the Mausaon Straight and defeated Ferrari's.

That's actually a well writen assessment of the gap between Gen Y and those marketing to them concerning any automotive product (not just Ford) though I feel it's a little short sighted in one aspect, and that's with the Gen Y lack of a need for a car. The writers examples can only be attributed to that portion of the Population in and around large cities with a well executed transportation system. That basically narrows it down to the North East and pockets of the West Coast and North West. I don't know many major cities in between the two coast that catter well to those living within city center.

I do agree that the car which was a symbol of freedom and self expression since it was made readily available to the masses with the Model T has been relegated by many as nothing more than a necessity for transportation. That a since of freedom and the need for self expression is now played out on the internet and not Main Street. It will be interesting to see how te automotive market will change as Gen X ages. It may take my Daughters' generation to swing the pendulum back the other direction.

I completely agree; I think the author's perception is probably skewed due to his personal lifestyle / friends being in or near large cities. People in those environments tend to forget that there is a nice, open world outside those areas...and a need for cool cars!