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The problem is, you can't do anything about the owners or the parents until after the fact.

Clearly then the answer is to allow people like you to curtail everyone's freedoms, in all areas, where some people might do the wrong thing, honestly, you're attitude is so insane that it's hard to imagine anyone in this allegedly free country could have it.

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Clearly then the answer is to allow people like you to curtail everyone's freedoms, in all areas, where some people might do the wrong thing, honestly, you're attitude is so insane that it's hard to imagine anyone in this allegedly free country could have it.

What freedoms?

Edited December 12, 2016 by bcsapperMen never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

But how effective breed bans actually are across the board has been increasingly disputed as more numbers show that they do not prevent any type of attacks. In fact, bite reports tend to either stay the same or even trend upward after breed-specific legislation is enacted in a particular city or region. In Ireland, for example, the incidence of dog bites has risen by more than 50 percent since eleven breeds werebannedfrom the country in 1998:

The only thing breed bans do is reduce the number of bites by that type of dog, but bites by other types of dogs goes up.

What the numbers do show is that intact males are the most likely to bite, regardless of breed.

Breed bans are simplistic, feel good 'solutions' that please who don't want to think about it too much. In the meantime, the real issues are ignored: puppy mills, poor socialization, anthropomorphism, training methods that rely on pain/punishment, owners who are clueless about all the signals stressed and scared dogs give before they bite. It's an extremely rare dog who 'bites out of the blue', most of them give clear signals if you know what to look for: yawning, lip-licking, looking away, tail held low, even if it's wagging, can all be signs of stress and fear and all come before a bite, even if it's in just the few moments before. But most have a longer ramp-up time.

I only know this because I have a dog that is very fearful; I had to learn his signs and learn how to manage his environment so that he's never in a position where he thinks he has to protect himself with teeth. Knowing your dog, understanding why dogs bite and being responsible is the only way to reduce dog bites. Calgary understands this, and that is why they have had a successful reduction of dog bites.

The only thing breed bans do is reduce the number of bites by that type of dog, but bites by other types of dogs goes up.

What the numbers do show is that intact males are the most likely to bite, regardless of breed.

Breed bans are simplistic, feel good 'solutions' that please who don't want to think about it too much. In the meantime, the real issues are ignored: puppy mills, poor socialization, anthropomorphism, training methods that rely on pain/punishment, owners who are clueless about all the signals stressed and scared dogs give before they bite. It's an extremely rare dog who 'bites out of the blue', most of them give clear signals if you know what to look for: yawning, lip-licking, looking away, tail held low, even if it's wagging, can all be signs of stress and fear and all come before a bite, even if it's in just the few moments before. But most have a longer ramp-up time.

I only know this because I have a dog that is very fearful; I had to learn his signs and learn how to manage his environment so that he's never in a position where he thinks he has to protect himself with teeth. Knowing your dog, understanding why dogs bite and being responsible is the only way to reduce dog bites. Calgary understands this, and that is why they have had a successful reduction of dog bites.

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Its almost like people believe a dog, of any breed, can't be dangerous. The 170lb lab/shepherd/who knows that I got from a shelter as a puppy could have easily killed people if it was trained to do so. Therefore, because you cant trust owners to do the right thing that mustn't be allowed. Perhaps you can outline exactly what sort of dog people can own, what breeds, what size, all those things. Pits of course, Rottweiler's, German shepherds, Dobermans, well they are all out, lets see, how about anything over 20 lbs? Then again a 20 lbs dog could do awful damage to the face of a child crawling on the floor...you know what, no dogs, no one can have any dogs. When does the euthanasia process begin?

Phew, now that we have that worked out maybe you can move on to the next thing you think we shouldn't be allowed to have or do simply because someone might misuse it. It truly is hard to believe those opinions exist in the real world, then again, some people still think communism could have worked.

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Dog bites, dog attacks, dog related deaths, all the same thing in terms of whether breed bans help. The larger the dog, the more serious the injury is likely to be, but even lap dogs have been known to kill babies. Deaths and serious injury to adults would go down if we banned all large dogs, I suppose.

Yes a site listing all the pit bull attacks, ignoring any other breeds who may also have attacked in the same time period. Demonizing pit bulls by focusing on them doing what all dogs do. Does this remind you of an earlier conversation?

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Yes a site listing all the pit bull attacks, ignoring any other breeds who may also have attacked in the same time period. Demonizing pit bulls by focusing on them doing what all dogs do. Does this remind you of an earlier conversation?

Well, it could, given the prevalence of one breed to be particularly violent, but I certainly would never have considered that.

Edited December 12, 2016 by bcsapperMen never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

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Dog bites, dog attacks, dog related deaths, all the same thing in terms of whether breed bans help. The larger the dog, the more serious the injury is likely to be, but even lap dogs have been known to kill babies. Deaths and serious injury to adults would go down if we banned all large dogs, I suppose.

Right?

People will always have dogs. We need to demand responsible ownership to protect both us and the dogs we love.