Since Amanda came from the state, I feel like I should point out that the state wouldn’t let Andi take her back unless there was adequate space for the both of them. A one bedroom apartment wouldn’t be counted as suitable. Andi would’ve been required to get a larger apartment/space.

How young does this rule apply? If you adopt an infant, wouldn’t you want to ensure that the baby slept in the same room as you?

I was raised with the idea that a baby should sleep in the same *bed* as you, but with the number of people who think it’s weird to do that and normal to have a baby physically separated from its mother even the first night it’s alive, I can understand how CPS might demand a crib or something. But you gotta be able to attend to any problems the kid has nigh-instantly, not be separated by walls and a sound buffer that makes it easier to sleep through problems.

Obviously this isn’t such a concern with a child who’s older, but I’m curious when the legal cut-off date is assumed to be.

Speaking as a Mom of a 3 1/2 year old I will say my son slept in his own room from day one. We kept the doors open as we were in the same hall way, and had a video monitor. This meant the second he cried or fussed we knew just as well as if he was sleeping in the room with us. So if you have the right tools there isn’t a reason to really worry about a baby being in their own room. As far as the sleeping in the bed with you as a infant thing, there have been too many cases of SIDS and parents rolling over the baby for it to be considered “safe” by government agencies. As far as cut off for adopted children having their own room, it differs from state to state and from adoption agency to adoption agency.

Yes, except it’s been proven wrong, and about half the cases of SIDS are actually intentional murders. Pretty much the other half are feverless pneumonias. Unless the mother is heavily under the influence of meds, drugs or alcohol, she will not roll over onto the infant.

We humans remain conscious enough during sleep to look out for fragile/painful things. If you’ve ever had a cat or dog that likes (and is allowed to) sleep in your bed, you’ll know how quickly you learn to recognize even in deep sleep that there’s something small and cute that you care about next to your body and you shouldn’t roll over it.

I sometimes wonder about the co-sleeping thing. I don’t have kids in real life, but I do have two dogs the size of Human infants, and I’ve had several days I woke up in contortionist postures because they curl up right up against me and I unconsciously adjust myself in my sleep to accommodate them.

CPS will adjust to unorthodox sleeping arrangements if they feel the case warrants them. Youngest kid my parents adopted slept in their second bath tub for a while. The water wasn’t connected, she’d had a nasty pre-adoption childhood and was subject to night terrors. The high walls made her feel safe and she was next to their bedroom when she woke up and freaked out. Cps came out, investigated the situation and decided it was acceptable.

As an one of those people who detest Andi, I will say I can understand doing this after all she may be mid lease and has the single bedroom apartment for several more months. Just had my baby and we are in a single bedroom apartment. The living room has become a nursery and we still have 7 months on the two year lease we originally singed. Not ideal but its better then he black mark lease braking would cause.

Turkey is bred to be a very low-fat meat, whereas pork bacon comes from the pork belly and hence has the highest fat content of any given ‘ordinary circumstance’ cut of pork. It can be (isn’t necessarily, but can be) preserved in a lower-sodium/nitrate formulation than pork-based bacon can. So some people eat it because it’s a healthier alternative on the sliding scale than bacon-from-pigs.

It is a meat yes, but speaking as someone who cooks heavily, it could never be a suitable bacon replacement. I won’t go into the differences between turkey and pig as pumpkincat explained it perfectly.

Different meat serves different purposes and while there is some leeway, some meats due to flavor qualities and texture won’t replace others. The total package of flavor, texture, and experience is what people mean by the foodie term Mouth Feel. And Turkey has a way different mouth feel than pig. Though both are very easy to make dry interestingly enough.

Turkey is a very bland meat without working on it and adding seasonings and other flavorings. Pig is very flavorful on its own and needs very little seasoning. Consequently, when people try to add smoke flavoring to turkey, they go overboard, giving it an odd, alien flavor. Too strong to be turkey, but not good enough to be pig. Thus the bacon fails. Frankly, if I can’t have pig bacon, I don’t want bacon. I’ll take a sausage or some barbecue cuts which you have a better time working turkey into a suitable fit. I did taste a decent Turkey Pepperoni. They made it really spicy and had a good bite. So it has a use, just not bacon.

Amen. If it’s not high-fat, it’s not bacon, although most American bacon would benefit from not fattening up the hogs quite so much. I want to taste the meat, too, and when it’s 20% – 80% meat to fat, the meat flavor can’t come through. I’d guess that about 50% fat would be ideal. But turkey bacon is much, much leaner than this unless they somehow merged trimmings together in a slab. Also it must be mostly leg or breast meat, which are the wrong parts of the critter entirely.

I have eaten beef bacon in a Malaysian hotel that keeps Halal. It’s much closer to real bacon, because it _is_ sliced across the grain from the same part of a mammal, the band of muscle with veins of fat that holds in the belly. Beef bacon strips are bigger of course, and less fatty, say 60% meat to 40% fat, but that’s enough fat to work as bacon, and you can taste both meat and fat. The the underlying meat flavor is beef rather than pork, of course. So it’s good, but it works better to take it as itself, not as a pork bacon substitute.

“If you go to the grocery store and stand in front of the lunch meat section for too long, you start to get pissed off at turkeys. You see turkey ham, turkey pastrami, turkey bologna — somebody needs to tell the turkeys, ‘Man, just be yourself.'”

and can you imagine what the traditionalists will scream about when they get invited over to a Pork fanatics place for Thanksgiving… THEY get Turkey-Flavored Bacon! for their meal… to be honest I’m not sure that even exists, but…

I saw an interesting recipe. It was like the Turducken, but instead of a turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken it was a whole hog stuffed with a turkey, stuffed with a chicken, stuffed with a cornish game hen, and a filler of sausage and bacon filling the gaps. This is the way to eat turkey, but after reading the process and calorie count (Over 80,000 calories!) Not unless I was cooking a feast for twenty, thirty people.

Any recipe that starts with “1 hog” is going to be for a bigger crowd than 30. That’s a full grown pig, probably over 200 pounds of meat in itself. Maybe you mean “1 pig” (slaughtered at a much younger age and smaller size) instead?

This is actually funny to me what number this page is. I’m volunteering at RCCC this year and just got my confirmation for my badge number, which will indeed be 666. Whenever I get assigned 666 for any reason, I always end up seeing it twice more within 24 hours. This makes one, I wonder what my next one will be. Order number at Burger king? Checkout total at the store. Not sure until I find it. I’ve actually had both of the above examples more than once. Different places too. My family jokes that I’m the real antichrist.

You can thank a rather successful ad campaign way back when. Bacon was losing its market, being seen as a poor person’s food. This was about the same time doctors were starting to advocate eating more than coffee and a slice of toast for breakfast, so bacon producers went to their internal doctor and said ‘So, when you say ‘people should eat a more substantial breakfast’, would, say, bacon and eggs count?’ And the doctor said, ‘well sure’, and they ran with it. “Doctors say you should eat bacon and eggs for breakfast!” And thus bacon became a breakfast food.

A slice of American-style bacon, pan-fried tends to have between 40 and 50 Calories. Most people don’t have more than 2, maybe 3 slices at their meal. Add 2 eggs and hey, even a slice of buttered toast and coffee with 1 cream and 1 sugar, and it’s a breakfast of around 500 Calories. Totally reasonable for the average adult on a 1800 to 2500 Calorie diet.

In some regions of the USA, large breakfasts are the norm and lunches tend to be much smaller. Midday snacks are also less common. In other areas, breakfasts are rarely more than coffee.

There’s nothing wrong with bacon later in the day, too, but bacon is a meat that can be cooked quite quickly, and fast preparation is a qualification for breakfast food. Other than that, the question is what are you going to be doing with your day? When my grandfather worked on a railroad repair and building crew, shifting 180 pound/foot (270 kg/metre) main-line rails into position, he would eat a half pound of bacon with fried eggs, fried potato, toast, juice, and coffee for breakfast. All those calories and all that fat was _needed_ to keep up his energy until lunchtime.

But Grandma kept on frying those breakfasts after the 50-man iron crew was replaced by a crane and Grandpa was promoted to management and worked in an office. Both of them died of colon cancer.

Maybe they would have been with us longer if they’d breakfasted on a roll and coffee instead. Or maybe not – I’ve seen studies that show that people who eat a small or no breakfast tend to eat more in a day and get fatter than people who get at least 1/3 of their daily calories the first thing in the morning. I’m not sure how well these studies could have controlled for the big-breakfast eaters just being different to start with. That is, I suspect that a person who is naturally highly active, doing manual labor, or exercising a lot will be much more likely to choose to eat a big breakfast. (I’m hyperactive, and there’s no way I’ll be much good for the morning without a 500 calorie breakfast that includes fat and protein.)

Heyy Butterball brand turkey bacon is good! It’s all the other brands that are awful. Even Jennie-O, which is sad because their other turkey products are great. Actually it’s possible I have those two switched, it’s been a while.
Either way the best thing about turkeybacon is it’s got barely any calories so you can just eat a whole package. With syrup! .. or with honey mustard.

I bought a couple of Digorno’s frozen pizzas once and bought a bag of pepperoni and some pizza cheese to improve the pizzas with. The cheese was OK, but the pepperoni left a lot to be desired. When I rechecked the bag, yep, it was “turkey pepperoni” Never again.

Does Andi keep kosher or halal, or is she just health-conscious? Or is turkey bacon just what she had in the house?

(Honesty time: I haven’t had “real” bacon in years. My mother is too health-conscious, my best friend’s family who I lived with for a while are Jewish and keep kosher, and my partner who I live with now is vegetarian. Alas, poor Piglet. I knew thee well.)

Amanda…. my ma has a ton of nasty tasting granola, and those grain puff cakes that shoot out of those machines at some stores and that’s my breakfast. enjoy the rip off bacon and those eggs because I want them now….

I don’t eat pork for moral reasons, and can’t stand turkey bacon, but I’d be willing to try beef bacon. As long as it’s not smoked. Even when I ate pork, the smell of smoked bacon made me nauseous. For a more readily available compromise, I’d suggest turkey sausage. Much tastier than the salted leather that is turkey bacon, and the maple stuff is amazing. Or, if maple isn’t available, make two waffles, place turkey sausage on one, drench with syrup of your choice and cover with other waffle. Very tasty.