I've been working hard for the last 27 years to find anything that might help me feel that I had some sort of control rather than totally helpless and at the mercy of whatever my body throws at me.
Crystals vibrate at a very constant vibration and a lot of people believe that these different vibrations can help with problems such as heart rhythms.
Specifically there are three - calcite, rose quartz and serpentine.
I was very sceptical when my wife bought me one, the one on the right, but what the heck, it looked nice and I had nothing to lose. That was years ago and I have found that carrying crystals helps me and holding them for long periods at night gives a nice energy feeling. On a couple of real nasty SVT's the golden calcite on the left helped.
Probably it works because I believe it will but whatever help I can get I use it,
Anyone else out there tried crystals or if not why not get some and have a go
dave

We have to be cautious about such things as herbal remedies, crystals, bracelets, etc. etc. When people are ill, there will always be some charlatan trying to make a buck off a fake cure. And there will always be someone gullible... or hurting enough to buy it. Be careful out there, and stick to tested mainstream medicine. In your case, it was an inexpensive crystal, pretty in its own right, and harmless. Some of the fake remedies can cost you 100 bucks a month, and may do more harm than good.

We have to be cautious about such things as herbal remedies, crystals, bracelets, etc. etc. When people are ill, there will always be some charlatan trying to make a buck off a fake cure. And there will always be someone gullible... or hurting enough to buy it. Be careful out there, and stick to tested mainstream medicine. In your case, it was an inexpensive crystal, pretty in its own right, and harmless. Some of the fake remedies can cost you 100 bucks a month, and may do more harm than good.

Well, if you would like to know, "mainstream" medicine is not always TESTED as you might expect.

That's right, at least 80% of procedures used as "treatment" are not tested in the sense that they are put through rigorous double-blind studies as the American Medical Association expects other healing art providers to do to "prove themselves". I think that's just turf war.

Just because a medical doctor prescribes something (especially pharmaceuticals some of which are life savers and some of which can kill you and are subsequently pulled off the market after MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on them and people have died), doesn't mean it's the best form of treatment.

And I've heard enough stories of physicians who are charlatans to know it's not the profession it's the individual-whatever profession it may be--doctor or auto-mechanic. And don't expect the FDA to protect you, look for the trail of money.

I've been prescribed 4 different beta-blockers now for pvcs. All of which have a side-effect list. And mind you, my heart rate and blood pressure are fine--that really is what beta-blockers are intended to treat. At least one cardiologist said don't take them they aren't intended for pvcs, might help lessen the heart contraction so you don't feel them.

I've read magnisium deficiency might be a cause of pvcs, but I've been advised not to try it because high amounts could be dangerous--like what? giving me diarrhea? I think that might be better than dizziness, fatigue, dry mouth, cold hands and feet, swollen ankles, bradycardia, shortness of breath.

I think everyone should be careful, but that goes for advice from any professional across the board. Did you know that a physician was once ostracized so badly he commited suicide because he suggested that doctors should wash their hands before delivering babies and it would decrease the mortality rate? What? Doctors might cause infection? They thought that was nuts at the time. That WAS a very long time ago in medical history, but it shows that "mainstream" medicine doesn't know everything and can stick to an idea very strongly even if it's wrong. Sometimes it's ok to think outside the box when no other answer appear obvious. Be a good consumer of your own health care.

Well, if you would like to know, "mainstream" medicine is not always TESTED as you might expect.

That's right, at least 80% of procedures used as "treatment" are not tested in the sense that they are put through rigorous double-blind studies as the American Medical Association expects other healing art providers to do to "prove themselves". I think that's just turf war.

Just because a medical doctor prescribes something (especially pharmaceuticals some of which are life savers and some of which can kill you and are subsequently pulled off the market after MILLIONS of dollars have been spent on them and people have died), doesn't mean it's the best form of treatment.

And I've heard enough stories of physicians who are charlatans to know it's not the profession it's the individual-whatever profession it may be--doctor or auto-mechanic. And don't expect the FDA to protect you, look for the trail of money.

I've been prescribed 4 different beta-blockers now for pvcs. All of which have a side-effect list. And mind you, my heart rate and blood pressure are fine--that really is what beta-blockers are intended to treat. At least one cardiologist said don't take them they aren't intended for pvcs, might help lessen the heart contraction so you don't feel them.

I've read magnisium deficiency might be a cause of pvcs, but I've been advised not to try it because high amounts could be dangerous--like what? giving me diarrhea? I think that might be better than dizziness, fatigue, dry mouth, cold hands and feet, swollen ankles, bradycardia, shortness of breath.

I think everyone should be careful, but that goes for advice from any professional across the board. Did you know that a physician was once ostracized so badly he commited suicide because he suggested that doctors should wash their hands before delivering babies and it would decrease the mortality rate? What? Doctors might cause infection? They thought that was nuts at the time. That WAS a very long time ago in medical history, but it shows that "mainstream" medicine doesn't know everything and can stick to an idea very strongly even if it's wrong. Sometimes it's ok to think outside the box when no other answer appear obvious. Be a good consumer of your own health care.

The reason the practice of medicine is so advanced is that our doctors use the the best science out there to learn and confirm what works and what does not. Does the scientific commuinity know all the answers? Of course not. But we do know a lot, and our knowlege is expanding at a rapid rate. I am alive and doing extrodinarily well because of the advances in treating heart conditions. I plan to continue to diligently follow the advice of my doctors. They are fully up to speed on the best treatments for my condition--knowlege gained from multiple scientific studies. If you want to bet on crystals and it makes you feel good, just be aware you are betting your life. It it does not work out, you may not get another chance to bet again.
Again, the wisdom of Artemus Ward, "It ain't the things we do know that get us into trouble, it's the things we do know that just ain't so."

We are all betting the key is to be ready to go when our time comes and pray for knowledge and wisdom (allopathic and alternative) not to suffer any more than is necessary.
Stay open but don't get taken to the cleaners by allopathic or alternative practitioners.
I think what we put in our mouths next matters more than we know and I am sure that as a man thinks, so is he.

“People are fed by the food industry, which pays no attention to health, and are treated by the health industry, which pays no attention to food.” ― Wendell Berry

The reason the practice of medicine is so advanced is that our doctors use the the best science out there to learn and confirm what works and what does not. Does the scientific commuinity know all the answers? Of course not. But we do know a lot, and our knowlege is expanding at a rapid rate. I am alive and doing extrodinarily well because of the advances in treating heart conditions. I plan to continue to diligently follow the advice of my doctors. They are fully up to speed on the best treatments for my condition--knowlege gained from multiple scientific studies. If you want to bet on crystals and it makes you feel good, just be aware you are betting your life. It it does not work out, you may not get another chance to bet again.
Again, the wisdom of Artemus Ward, "It ain't the things we do know that get us into trouble, it's the things we do know that just ain't so."

I am extrordinarily thankful that we have discovered life saving procedures and treatments for many conditions. And I am glad that you are around as a result. I have benefited from medical intervention too, as well as my family members and friends. I do not wish to discount medicine or medical "practice", but practice makes perfect and some discoveries in medicine weren't without human loss before us.

I only wish to highlight that the best science out there is performed with devices WE have created to measure things. So the way I see it, the flaw in calling something scientific or unscientific is that some things can not be "measured" with our current methods or devices so we often discounted them as shams. I don't prescribed to using a crystal, but I also know there isn't any researcher out there who is interested in studying them, becaue there is no money to fund it, and there is no way to capture profits if proved to be helpful.

The mind body connection is not fully understood, and can not be measured (yet, or maybe never). But I do not discount the power of prayer, nor do I fully expect that prayer alone will heal myself or others. But even Time magazine, I recall front page cover, presented information that prayer seems to make a difference in reduced healing time whether or not the subject in question knew they were being prayed for. How does that work? I'm going to pray that we all have a healthy day, and if we find something that appears to be helpful to us in our health journey (while not ignorning common sense and current medical knowledge), then more power to ya.

I am extrordinarily thankful that we have discovered life saving procedures and treatments for many conditions. And I am glad that you are around as a result. I have benefited from medical intervention too, as well as my family members and friends. I do not wish to discount medicine or medical "practice", but practice makes perfect and some discoveries in medicine weren't without human loss before us.

I only wish to highlight that the best science out there is performed with devices WE have created to measure things. So the way I see it, the flaw in calling something scientific or unscientific is that some things can not be "measured" with our current methods or devices so we often discounted them as shams. I don't prescribed to using a crystal, but I also know there isn't any researcher out there who is interested in studying them, becaue there is no money to fund it, and there is no way to capture profits if proved to be helpful.

The mind body connection is not fully understood, and can not be measured (yet, or maybe never). But I do not discount the power of prayer, nor do I fully expect that prayer alone will heal myself or others. But even Time magazine, I recall front page cover, presented information that prayer seems to make a difference in reduced healing time whether or not the subject in question knew they were being prayed for. How does that work? I'm going to pray that we all have a healthy day, and if we find something that appears to be helpful to us in our health journey (while not ignorning common sense and current medical knowledge), then more power to ya.

I do not mean to use crystals as a cure but only as a sort of reassurance in those lonely times of fear.
Lots of people in the forum are having all the benefits of the medical profession as have I but quite a few are very frightened (hardly surprising)
If something can aid relaxation by focusing the mind then it will help.
Apologies if I have given the wrong impression of what my question is about.

I do not mean to use crystals as a cure but only as a sort of reassurance in those lonely times of fear.
Lots of people in the forum are having all the benefits of the medical profession as have I but quite a few are very frightened (hardly surprising)
If something can aid relaxation by focusing the mind then it will help.
Apologies if I have given the wrong impression of what my question is about.

Your comments are certainly reasonable. Many of us have a lucky charm or talisman to increase our comfort level with the complexities of life. My concern--as a fellow mountaineer--was that you continue to enjoy those mountain excursions. Following proper medical advice should allow you to do just that.

Your comments are certainly reasonable. Many of us have a lucky charm or talisman to increase our comfort level with the complexities of life. My concern--as a fellow mountaineer--was that you continue to enjoy those mountain excursions. Following proper medical advice should allow you to do just that.

Hey, there. I'm IN the medical community. I know first hand of the extremely wonderful things medicine can do AND the horrible things that can happen in the hands of the ones that are not keeping up their education or are lax to try new things, but let me state right here and now, I'd carry a block of Limburger cheese in my pocket if my mind responded to it!!!!! Whatever it takes, baby, whatever it takes.

Hey, there. I'm IN the medical community. I know first hand of the extremely wonderful things medicine can do AND the horrible things that can happen in the hands of the ones that are not keeping up their education or are lax to try new things, but let me state right here and now, I'd carry a block of Limburger cheese in my pocket if my mind responded to it!!!!! Whatever it takes, baby, whatever it takes.

I'm determined to carry on with my mountaineering and deliberately go up in the mountains in the worst conditions where I never see another person up there to prove that I can do things that other people find difficult even with my heart problems. It takes total concentration like in March I was up on Y LLWYIED in white outs with a wind chill temperature of -20 C., deep snow etc and in the 8 hours up there I had it all to myself with no possible help should anything have happened. Oddly this gives me confidence if I'm in a tense meeting and feel a heart flutter I go back in my mind to the mountain top and it gives me strength. I take loads of photos and when I look at them I feel good.
Things got bad on the PVC front last November and I went back to the doctors and had another ECG which he took me through explaining about the early beats followed by a gap as my heart went back to ite regular beat.
He only offered me beta blockers which I declined so i feel very much on my own which is why I joined this site.I am not going to give up and my crystals go everywhere with me as my lucky charms even though I could do without the weight in the mountains.
So perhaps more of our community could get a better quality of life if as well as following medical advice they looked at things that might give them a bit more confidence and I am saying have a look at crystals,
dave

I'm determined to carry on with my mountaineering and deliberately go up in the mountains in the worst conditions where I never see another person up there to prove that I can do things that other people find difficult even with my heart problems. It takes total concentration like in March I was up on Y LLWYIED in white outs with a wind chill temperature of -20 C., deep snow etc and in the 8 hours up there I had it all to myself with no possible help should anything have happened. Oddly this gives me confidence if I'm in a tense meeting and feel a heart flutter I go back in my mind to the mountain top and it gives me strength. I take loads of photos and when I look at them I feel good.
Things got bad on the PVC front last November and I went back to the doctors and had another ECG which he took me through explaining about the early beats followed by a gap as my heart went back to ite regular beat.
He only offered me beta blockers which I declined so i feel very much on my own which is why I joined this site.I am not going to give up and my crystals go everywhere with me as my lucky charms even though I could do without the weight in the mountains.
So perhaps more of our community could get a better quality of life if as well as following medical advice they looked at things that might give them a bit more confidence and I am saying have a look at crystals,
dave

Hi Rita
Thanks for the comment.I don't want to be a helpless victim so I've been looking for whatever I can find that helps and crystals do help me.
And of course I go to the doctors and mostly take their advice although I am very much against beta blockers but that's just for me and my body. They slow me down far too much.
The crystals look beautiful and the colours are fantastic and there are lots of interesting books, but the amzing thing is when you get one whose vibrations respond to you. It will get extremely warm as its vibrations speed up and they give a nice warm energy feeling. Someone else can pick up the same crystal and it will stay ice cold.
I would love it if a few sceptical people (which I was) try some crystals as an experiment and keep a journal of any relaxation benefits. Upbeat633 makes some very good points about reasearch so why don't we as a community set up our own research group and see what conclusions we come to.

Hi Rita
Thanks for the comment.I don't want to be a helpless victim so I've been looking for whatever I can find that helps and crystals do help me.
And of course I go to the doctors and mostly take their advice although I am very much against beta blockers but that's just for me and my body. They slow me down far too much.
The crystals look beautiful and the colours are fantastic and there are lots of interesting books, but the amzing thing is when you get one whose vibrations respond to you. It will get extremely warm as its vibrations speed up and they give a nice warm energy feeling. Someone else can pick up the same crystal and it will stay ice cold.
I would love it if a few sceptical people (which I was) try some crystals as an experiment and keep a journal of any relaxation benefits. Upbeat633 makes some very good points about reasearch so why don't we as a community set up our own research group and see what conclusions we come to.

A well balanced response to my question, thanks.
Do you think as a community we could be doing our own research and keep check via our journals. Being a new member I feel so much the fear that is out there and a feeling of helplessness and of course I've neen there myself.
That's why I want to open up questions of what can we add to our medical tratment that will give us a better quality of life.
dave

A well balanced response to my question, thanks.
Do you think as a community we could be doing our own research and keep check via our journals. Being a new member I feel so much the fear that is out there and a feeling of helplessness and of course I've neen there myself.
That's why I want to open up questions of what can we add to our medical tratment that will give us a better quality of life.
dave

I share your concern about beta blockers (sotolol). I took them for a couple of years and they were effective preventing my atrial fibrillation. I found the sotolol did not affect me in any way other than feeling a little tired and needing an afternoon nap. Not a bad thing. I found my stamina for hiking was not dimininished, and that as we know from our lifestyle, is beyond important. Two friends my age also do well on sotolol--one is a hiking and fishing friend who shares many of the strenuous hikes with me. In that respect, the right beta blocker might enhance your quality of life.
After several episodes of a fib and two trips to the hospital emergency room ,which I believe was triggered by a reaction to a flu shot, I gave up on medication and opted for ablation. That has worked beautifully. Other than a daily aspirin and a statin, I am medication free. Is ablation an option for your condition?
I would suggest an excellent book by Arthur Agatston, the author of the South Beach Diet. Agatston is a renown cardiologist and his book, "The South Beach Heart Program" deals extensively with "aggressive prevention" of heart disease. He claims his patients can expect a normal life expectancy by following his advice. I found the advice practical and common sense.
Your experience in whiteout conditions resonates with me. Many of us in Wyoming have experienced similar conditions. We tend to stock our vehicles with supplies in the event we get stranded, and certainly when involved in outdoor activities we are smart to be prepared for the worst.

I share your concern about beta blockers (sotolol). I took them for a couple of years and they were effective preventing my atrial fibrillation. I found the sotolol did not affect me in any way other than feeling a little tired and needing an afternoon nap. Not a bad thing. I found my stamina for hiking was not dimininished, and that as we know from our lifestyle, is beyond important. Two friends my age also do well on sotolol--one is a hiking and fishing friend who shares many of the strenuous hikes with me. In that respect, the right beta blocker might enhance your quality of life.
After several episodes of a fib and two trips to the hospital emergency room ,which I believe was triggered by a reaction to a flu shot, I gave up on medication and opted for ablation. That has worked beautifully. Other than a daily aspirin and a statin, I am medication free. Is ablation an option for your condition?
I would suggest an excellent book by Arthur Agatston, the author of the South Beach Diet. Agatston is a renown cardiologist and his book, "The South Beach Heart Program" deals extensively with "aggressive prevention" of heart disease. He claims his patients can expect a normal life expectancy by following his advice. I found the advice practical and common sense.
Your experience in whiteout conditions resonates with me. Many of us in Wyoming have experienced similar conditions. We tend to stock our vehicles with supplies in the event we get stranded, and certainly when involved in outdoor activities we are smart to be prepared for the worst.

Thanks for the book suggestion as 'aggressive prevention' resonates with me and I will order it today. I am determined to keep on and live my life .
I am new to this site and have been on my own with this for 27 years so ablation is something about which I will be researching thanks to this site and its menbers.
I got a photo of the whiteout which I will put on my profile but it looks just like I'm in a ball of cotton wool - what a day that was!
dave

Thanks for the book suggestion as 'aggressive prevention' resonates with me and I will order it today. I am determined to keep on and live my life .
I am new to this site and have been on my own with this for 27 years so ablation is something about which I will be researching thanks to this site and its menbers.
I got a photo of the whiteout which I will put on my profile but it looks just like I'm in a ball of cotton wool - what a day that was!
dave

greendave, I'm glad you have a passion for something, your exhilarhation in mountaineering, and confidence to take on white-out conditions at -20 should make you feel quite strong mentally and phsically. Now to just beat this heart thing. Which can be both mental and physical.

I'm glad this thread/discussion has continued because thinking outside the box has lead to many terrific discoveries.

RnRita, you made me laugh so hard after your post, and laughter can be one of the best forms of medicine. Thanks.

greendave, I'm glad you have a passion for something, your exhilarhation in mountaineering, and confidence to take on white-out conditions at -20 should make you feel quite strong mentally and phsically. Now to just beat this heart thing. Which can be both mental and physical.

I'm glad this thread/discussion has continued because thinking outside the box has lead to many terrific discoveries.

RnRita, you made me laugh so hard after your post, and laughter can be one of the best forms of medicine. Thanks.

Like you say 'Now to just beat this heart thing'
I'm keen to start some outside the box threads even if i may seem naive - who knows it might help someone with the fear.
RnRita cheered me up with the Limburger cheese!
Any ideas for sparking off more discussion?

Yes. I think this is a hopeful article https://myheartsisters.org/2014/03/10/dr-john-mandrola-13-things-about-atrial-fibrillation/#comment-135583
I am still researching Afib and researching nutrition, methylation, thyroid function, Electromagnetic Fields, and some more 'down to earth things' like crystals and earthing/grounding. Still pondering how we can be healthier during our stent here in an unhealthy world.

Like you say 'Now to just beat this heart thing'
I'm keen to start some outside the box threads even if i may seem naive - who knows it might help someone with the fear.
RnRita cheered me up with the Limburger cheese!
Any ideas for sparking off more discussion?

I found this post as I was looking for information on rose quartz for afib/ tacicardia , palpitations, whatever term you choose I have it. I recently was around rose quartz and after realized how good my heart beat was. 2 siblimgs of mine were recently diagnosed with agib and congestive heart failure. So you speak of beta blockers being prescribed, did you know 1 of the side effects is congestive heart failure? I agree that there is good in western medicine however you need to do your own due dilligence. When I was diagnosed they put me on meds to slow my heart rate??? This makes no sense. My normal heart rate is about 70-80, my blood pressure 80/50, yes at times i am clinically dead. I have an irregular beat, not a fast one, it made no sense to me so I weaned myself off. My siblings are mow on multiple meds prescribed by the all knowing doctors. Meds prescribed for afib that can cause congestive heart failure , which they just went through.so yes I can appreciate that the doctors knowledge was able to reset my heart when it was completely out of control 12+ years ago. My research and lifestyle changes are what has helped me the most since then. Life's a balance and you need to take control yourself and not just blindly follow what some doctor tells you.

I found this post as I was looking for information on rose quartz for afib/ tacicardia , palpitations, whatever term you choose I have it. I recently was around rose quartz and after realized how good my heart beat was. 2 siblimgs of mine were recently diagnosed with agib and congestive heart failure. So you speak of beta blockers being prescribed, did you know 1 of the side effects is congestive heart failure? I agree that there is good in western medicine however you need to do your own due dilligence. When I was diagnosed they put me on meds to slow my heart rate??? This makes no sense. My normal heart rate is about 70-80, my blood pressure 80/50, yes at times i am clinically dead. I have an irregular beat, not a fast one, it made no sense to me so I weaned myself off. My siblings are mow on multiple meds prescribed by the all knowing doctors. Meds prescribed for afib that can cause congestive heart failure , which they just went through.so yes I can appreciate that the doctors knowledge was able to reset my heart when it was completely out of control 12+ years ago. My research and lifestyle changes are what has helped me the most since then. Life's a balance and you need to take control yourself and not just blindly follow what some doctor tells you.

I've been working hard for the last 27 years to find anything that might help me feel that I had some sort of control rather than totally helpless and at the mercy of whatever my body throws at me.
Crystals vibrate at a very constant vibration and a lot of people believe that these different vibrations can help with problems such as heart rhythms.
Specifically there are three - calcite, rose quartz and serpentine.
I was very sceptical when my wife bought me one, the one on the right, but what the heck, it looked nice and I had nothing to lose. That was years ago and I have found that carrying crystals helps me and holding them for long periods at night gives a nice energy feeling. On a couple of real nasty SVT's the golden calcite on the left helped.
Probably it works because I believe it will but whatever help I can get I use it,
Anyone else out there tried crystals or if not why not get some and have a go
dave

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