Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Wouldn't you miss the anticipation of the new grades coming out?

Hmm. The advantage of regular updating, as opposed to calculating a new grade monthly, is that you can play in an event at the weekend and see it on your grading record as soon as it is submitted. Theoretically that could be the Monday after the event - it is in the USA. There could be a rough grading calculator on the site to help you work out how you're doing through the season. This would be must better if we can get the biggest leagues in the country to buy into the idea and submit results more often than at the end of the season - that's down to you as players to put pressure on them to do that, if you think it is useful. It is not hard, especially if the leagues in question adopt an ECF compatible management system.

Adam Raoof wrote:This would be must better if we can get the biggest leagues in the country to buy into the idea and submit results more often than at the end of the season - that's down to you as players to put pressure on them to do that, if you think it is useful. It is not hard, especially if the leagues in question adopt an ECF compatible management system.

What is "an ECF compatible management system", and where would a league get one from?

Adam Raoof wrote:This would be must better if we can get the biggest leagues in the country to buy into the idea and submit results more often than at the end of the season - that's down to you as players to put pressure on them to do that, if you think it is useful. It is not hard, especially if the leagues in question adopt an ECF compatible management system.

What is "an ECF compatible management system", and where would a league get one from?

Adam Raoof wrote:This would be must better if we can get the biggest leagues in the country to buy into the idea and submit results more often than at the end of the season - that's down to you as players to put pressure on them to do that, if you think it is useful. It is not hard, especially if the leagues in question adopt an ECF compatible management system.

What is "an ECF compatible management system", and where would a league get one from?

London League (1400 players)Surrey Border LeagueBerkshire LeagueChiltern LeagueHillingdon & District LeagueCity of London Rapidplay League

manage their grading with his software.

I don't know that. As the Surrey Border League Grader, and the person who did the January grading for the Hillingdon & District League and the City of London Rapidplay League, I know that this software, as of mid-January, had no ECF grading capability at all. The data is held in the website database in a proprietary format and has to be converted by the grader into the format required by the ECF. For the 3 leagues I graded, that was achieved by importing the website data into an Access database I developed myself. For one of the other leagues you mention I understand it was achieved by the grader typing the results in the ECF grading format manually.

Ian Thompson wrote:I don't know that. As the Surrey Border League Grader, and the person who did the January grading for the Hillingdon & District League and the City of London Rapidplay League, I know that this software, as of mid-January, had no ECF grading capability at all. The data is held in the website database in a proprietary format and has to be converted by the grader into the format required by the ECF. For the 3 leagues I graded, that was achieved by importing the website data into an Access database I developed myself. For one of the other leagues you mention I understand it was achieved by the grader typing the results in the ECF grading format manually.

Apologies if I have this wrong. Even if that is the case, it seems simple to link up the league management software with ECF grading, though it would be ideal if everyone used the same format. I await John's reply!

I also think that Steve Law from Herts and Jon Griffith of Yorkshire have developed systems.

Paul Cooksey wrote:How much more complex than a csv with half a dozen columns is the input to the ECF system?

Its either a structured text file or a spreadsheet with 3 worksheets containing:

Header SheetEvent CodeSubmission NumberEvent NameEvent DateFinal Results DateGrader NameGrader AddressTreasurer NameTreasurer AddressMoves in first sessionMinutes for first sessionMoves in second sessionMinutes in second sessionMinutes in final sessionMinutes for gameSeconds added per moveGrand Prix

Paul Cooksey wrote:I've a feeling I'm about to look stupid, but pressing on regardless...

How much more complex than a csv with half a dozen columns is the input to the ECF system?

It's arguably more complicated than it needs to be. The underlying design is over twenty years old and was pre-internet. So the original premise was that of a 720k diskette sent by post to Battle. That's not to say that a lot of work hasn't been done to make it slick and reliable. I rather think the version before that assumed tapes and Sinclair Spectrums.

It's a valid point that counties and leagues will need a dialogue with their graders about how frequently results can be submitted.

Ian Thompson wrote:I don't know that. As the Surrey Border League Grader, and the person who did the January grading for the Hillingdon & District League and the City of London Rapidplay League, I know that this software, as of mid-January, had no ECF grading capability at all. The data is held in the website database in a proprietary format and has to be converted by the grader into the format required by the ECF. For the 3 leagues I graded, that was achieved by importing the website data into an Access database I developed myself. For one of the other leagues you mention I understand it was achieved by the grader typing the results in the ECF grading format manually.

Apologies if I have this wrong. Even if that is the case, it seems simple to link up the league management software with ECF grading, though it would be ideal if everyone used the same format. I await John's reply!

I also think that Steve Law from Herts and Jon Griffith of Yorkshire have developed systems.

I have developed a system used by the Blackpool and Fylde, and Central Lancashire Leagues (and others if interested). Since I am also a grader, that was the first thing that it did. I let the team captains enter the data for me and just save it in grading XL format. http://popmalc.org.uk/sc/

Neill Cooper wrote:This looks like a great new feature on the grading database, released this afternoon.

Pleased you like it!

If we can persuade leagues to submit their games more frequently, and tournaments to submit them on time or before the 14 day deadline, then we can make monthly updating a possibility.

Support the ECF and get as many events ECF graded as possible!

Those winter leagues that recommend or require the ignoring of post-August grades would be adding fuel to the fire by submitting their own results mid-season. Twice-yearly grades and monthly revisions are the elephant in the room for leagues that require September (say) registrations of squads and determination of board order.