NFL will consider Talib suspension

Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2016, 10:57 AM EST

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Broncos cornerback Aqib Talib viewed his decision to violently pull Panthers receiver Corey Brown to the ground by his facemask as something that would simply draw the equivalent of a parking ticket. Talib instead may be parked on the couch when the 2016 season begins. (And we now know that the couch is a dangerous place.)

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL will consider suspending Talib for his admittedly intentional and blatant decision to grab, twist, yank, and pull Brown’s facemask under circumstances that resulted in a small impact on field position, since Brown was inside the Denver five yard line.

The league office will examine Talib’s conduct within the confines of the normal course of post-game evaluations. Talib’s history will be a factor, along with his comments reflecting clear intent to violate an important safety rule.

Another factor will be the reality that more and more players are now admitting in public the nefarious purpose of their actions. Apart from discouraging the behavior, the NFL needs to create a clear disincentive when it comes to telling the world, essentially, “Yeah, I did it. I meant to do it. And I’ll do it again.”

Talib should have been tossed for it. I heard Panthers fans, Broncos fans, and general football fans all saying it. He shouldn’t have seen another down of that game. I don’t think it would have changed the game too much but that shouldn’t matter. It was clearly malicious. The refs clearly blew that one.

Ohhhhhh I see…So when TALIB says I did it intentionally..against the “cats”…that’s different than when he and others talk about taking out a PATRIOTS players knees maybe ending their career? The NFL never said a peep…about that!!

Just because the impact of the penalty on the field wasn’t great Talib might get suspended….Not saying it was or wasn’t intentional but instead of suspending a player maybe the league should start enforcing those penalties on the kickoffs or at least have the option to enforce it there.

So admitting something we all knew anyway may draw a suspension? All that would be deterred by that is future admissions not future transgressions. It will have no impact on preventing that type of play. Once again the league is more concerned with appearance than reality

This guy is bad news. He would have been in jail long ago were it not for being able to play football. He has a history of aggressive behavior. Watching the play, you knew he was trying to hurt the opponent and then he admitted it as well. Mr. “Integrity” Roger needs to throw the book at him with a long and expensive suspension.

The in-game punishment needs to be greater than half the distance to the goal line, a 1.5 yard penalty in this case. This is a gray area where a player can commit an infraction with intent and bear little consequence. The half the distance mark off of penalty yards punishes the team that has been violated.
Personal fouls should receive bench time for a definable period…ie….one play, one series, one quarter.

Bronco fan here. Aquib is a good player and I appreciate all he has done for the defense, but he needs to stop being a punk. Stop taking dirty shots at other teams players, shut your mouth and just play good hard, clean football. His idiocy could have easily cost us the game.

It shouldn’t have taken Talib talking about this for the league to take action. Anyone who was paying attention saw what Talib did.

It’s one thing to grab a player’s face mask and yank it unintentionally as part of trying to make a tackle. It’s another thing entirely to use keep a hold of the face mask and use it to throw a player out of bounds. Bragging about it afterwards is indicative of a player who doesn’t respect the rules, and doesn’t care who he hurts.

He should be suspended, you can argue if it wasn’t the Superbowl he would’ve been ejected. The league is always talking about player safety and players talking about they are a fraternity you don’t do your brother like that he could’ve seriously injured that guy.

Let’s see. What can you expect from a comish that suspends one violent woman beaters for 3 games, and another for a full season? Or kicks a guilty plead DUI offender to the curb for 4 games and a serial ball deflator for ten games?

Patriottony, not one Broncos player has EVER said anything about taking out a patriot players knees. They have said that with someone as big as Gronk you HAVE to hit them low, in the legs, the knees, to get them on the ground. Show me JUST ONE quote where a Denver player says they want to TAKE OUT a patriot player’s knees.

The officials should have ejected Talib from the game, just as they should have dealt with the Steeler coach being on the field of play in the AFC wild card game.

If the NFL leagie office is going to deal with this one as well, then the league office needs to look at the rhetoric aabout Gronkowski before the AFCCG, the shouldwr’s into Brady after the play. the 3 fines levied against the Broncos after the AfdCCG, and the Talib incidents in the SB. This was aggressive play taken to a new level because the coaches decided it was worth it and it was probably the only way to win the Sb.

That’s BS! He got a Personal Foul called on him that gave the Panthers a 1st and Goal. That’s the allotted penalty for said foul. The Panthers scored the next play, iirc? There’s NOTHING in the rulebook that allows the League to determine the INTENT of the player committing said personal foul. There’s no rule saying it’s a 15 yard penalty on the field and then the League will review the replay, to determine the players THOUGHTS when performing said Personal Foul. That’s ridiculous and the League is doing nothing but wussifying a once GREAT sport.

Now lemme get this straight… you can’t hit anyone with your helmet, or it’s a penalty? asked Dick Butkus. Ray Nitchske would rollover in his grave to find out, you can’t TOUCH the QB anymore. and Jack Tatum would SHUDDER to think there’s a penalty for hitting a defenseless receiver!

The league is over regulating the game! Step back and quit making Football a Politically Correct Professional Football League. Football’s a VIOLENT game! EVERY one of these players KNOW the dangers of playing the game right. They know this going in, and I’ll bet you $1000 that EVERY damned one of the players in the NFL would STILL sign on to play the game.

With the powers vested in me, I hereby propose a new rule that any Personal Foul committed within 15 yards of the end zone are awarded full yardage value AND the points that would otherwise and heretofore accrue to such team advancing the ball and or regressing directionally in normal course of a play…

Guys like Talib and Burfict should just be thrown out of the league for good. I was watching NFL football long before these guys came into the league, and I’ll be watching after they’re gone. These are two guys that have major behavior issues, much like so many that are in prison for violence against other people.

The main problem is nothing is ever consistent! One dude gets penalized, while one of the favorite sons gets nothing. Certain QB get favorable roughing calls, while others get slammed to the ground. During the superbowl, comments from NFL experts, showed nobody agreed on what a catch really is or isn’t, and that included coaches, teams, or zebras. And finally, it appears that no one is running the railroad. Just a bunch of folks who wanna argue about everything.

1st point: Due to lawsuits from players and their union, the NFL and its franchises are FORCED into a position to make the game as safe as possible. The blame lies with the players.

2nd point: The NFL will take some disciplinary action, and when it does, De Smith and the NFLPA will step in to get Talib’s suspension reduced. So when ESPN and PFT tell you that the NFL “didn’t do enough”, then remember that the NFL issued a suspension order, then it was fought by De Smith and Talib’s agents. In these cases, the media demands “justice” but always sides with the poor, poor, pitiful player when the hammer comes down.

NFL players/NFLPA stop suing = less regulation by the NFL

The NFL MUST protect itself, that is what is driving everything while the players are making the game worse.

Just because the impact of the penalty on the field wasn’t great Talib might get suspended….Not saying it was or wasn’t intentional but instead of suspending a player maybe the league should start enforcing those penalties on the kickoffs or at least have the option to enforce it there.
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You don’t have to say it, because the idiot Talib already said it was intentional.

Enforcing a penalty on the kickoff is just as worthless as half the distance to the goal from the 3 yard line. The league has already made sure that 80%+ of kickoffs sail out of the endzone.

Ejecting a player for such behavior should be mandatory, you know, if player safety and the integrity of the game are as important as Goodellbot likes to claim.

He did it because Brown got to him a few plays earlier and for the most part Talib couldn’t cover him. It was clear to everyone not a Broncos fan (and really many that still were) that he was trying to injure him.

I don’t think the man is too bright. Why would you admit to such a thing?

Like Sticky Rice tainting his entire career because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut. SMH.

Either way… A simple rule change will fix this problem. When there’s a personal foul involved and you’re near the end zone award a touchdown to the opponent of the offending team and this kind of stuff will stop cold.

daysend564 says He did it because Brown got to him a few plays earlier and for the most part Talib couldn’t cover him. It was clear to everyone not a Broncos fan (and really many that still were) that he was trying to injure him

I don’t care WHY he did it! I had no dog in this fight. Yes it was a violent penalty. But we don’t have LEVELS of Personal Fouls. The FACT that it happened on the 1 yard line is irrelevant! If it happened in between the 20’s it would’ve been a 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down! It was given the MAX penalty allowed by the rulebook! You can’t start adding the THOUGHT POLICE to the NFL!

I’m sorry if your team LOST! I don’t care if your team WON! All I care about is that we keep this PC culture that’s INFECTED our country, OUT of our entertainment! It’s sickening!

patriottony says:
Feb 9, 2016 11:03 AM
Ohhhhhh I see…So when TALIB says I did it intentionally..against the “cats”…that’s different than when he and others talk about taking out a PATRIOTS players knees maybe ending their career? The NFL never said a peep…about that!!
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Why does every article have to become about the Patriots and how they were wronged? give it a rest already… You’re not getting any support from 31 other teams fans.

Owners should teach a lesson, to jerks, like Talib, and Dump him. Their ‘wise guy’ attitude, is gang banger, and has no place in sport. Owners, should learn that the players, are EMPLOYEES, of a corporation, who represent them in the eyes of the public. In the real, corporate business world, Talib, would not be employed.

NFL: 2 game suspension: JOKE. THE SEASON, will send the message to all ! But, first the Owners should dump him.

Wonder if the league will do the same to Cam Newton after all he was honest on his so called post game fiscal, a football play gets suspended NFL MVP embarrassment pat on back. Talib may not be the most gamesmanship player but tackles as this happens every game with nothing done. Nfl needs to step back and take a good look at itself.

Fortunately for Goodell he now has evidence that his two personal foul then ejection rule would have had a positive impact.

No way Talib does it if that rule was in place.

Based on the way the rules are, I think the only reason more players don’t try to take opposing players out is because they wouldn’t want it done to them. I am surprised it doesn’t happen more though, because it certainly used to. Ask Buddy Ryan.

Carolina could have run the punter for example and it might have changed the game completely.

In the Super Bowl a threat of a post game fine or future suspension isn’t enough because it is worth the risk.

There is a rule already in place called, “palpably unfair act” that gives the official the power to award a touchdown if he thinks if an action was egregious enough. There is no specific definition of what a palpably unfair act is.. I’ve only seen it called once; in a high school game where a guy jumped off the bench to tackle a guy returning a kickoff, and he had an apparent clear path to the end zone. The officials could be empowered to award a touchdown if they feel that grabbing the facemask was done with the intent of stopping a score.

He should have been ejected right after the post. I thought it from the moment it happened. I know it would have been a black eye in the biggest game but they claim player safety is a priority they should make it that way

Instead of the Pro Bowl, maybe at the end of the season the league should take the players who were responsible for the “intent to maim” hits and put them in a big cage match. I’d pay to see someone knock Vontaze Burfict’s teeth out.

Talib is a punk and I hate the Donks but if we’re going to suspend players for a face mask I am done. Can not believe what I am reading in here.
then again I see similar tears about maybe .4 PSI maybe missing from footballs…

Patriottony, not one Broncos player has EVER said anything about taking out a patriot players knees. They have said that with someone as big as Gronk you HAVE to hit them low, in the legs, the knees, to get them on the ground. Show me JUST ONE quote where a Denver player says they want to TAKE OUT a patriot player’s knees.
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“You gotta hit him low, man — hit him in his knees,” Harris said. “That’s the best chance you have of hitting him.”
Nobody’s dumb enough to actually say take out someone’s knees, well except Talib, he’s dumb enough to.

This came in the heat of action in the most important game of his career, what should he have done? Let him score? That would have been stupid. The only way to prevent a touchdown was with the facemask. Suspend him for a game or two? Fine. But don’t condemn the guy for something that EVERY player would have done.

The NFLPA will protect Talib by appealing whatever suspension he gets (hopefully its long and expensive). Somehow the NFLPA will be the good guys even though they are protecting a guy who tried to injure another one of their members. When the suspension is reduced (it will be) everyone will say the NFL isn’t doing enough to protect the players. I’m not a fan of the NFL discipline procedures, but this is cut and dry. He admitted to trying to injure. He should be gone for a while. Talib will never learn, nor does he care to learn. he still gets a ring and a check.

Talib did just about anything to lose that game. Stupid personal fouls, and that uncalled offside on the field goal attempt. That one play was crucial. I’d say it’s fair to assume if given the second chance he should have got Gano would have drilled that FG and the entire complexion of the game would have changed. I know it’s a game of if’s and buts but Talib was ineffective in coverage and very well could have been the goat of the game.

Ohhhhhh I see…So when TALIB says I did it intentionally..against the “cats”…that’s different than when he and others talk about taking out a PATRIOTS players knees maybe ending their career? The NFL never said a peep…about that!!

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Doing it and saying is a different thing. Everyone that watched SB 50 saw that Talib tried intentionally to rip Brown’s head, but I haven’t seen anyone trying to take any Patriot’s players knees.

Talib is very fortunate that his defensive teammates played so well on Sunday, because he actually had a rough game himself. 5 catches against, 3 flags, plus a couple more coverage mistakes and WR drops.

If DEN had somehow lost, Talib would be wearing a clown hat this week.

I was glad he did that in that situation show them Dabbin fools we not out here to take pictures we came to whoop some ass I like talib’s attitude yes over the top sometimes but hey I rather have a aggressive player than a non aggressive player we champs so who cares now…

Hey, there are a lot of face mask penalties that look absolutely terrible…Most are accidental…But when you blatantly say you did it on purpose, and would do it again…there is just something wrong with you.

When you couple that with the other PF/Taunting fouls he committed during the game (and the eye poke incident earlier in the year), I think a suspension will happen sooner rather then later.

irlfannphx says:
Feb 9, 2016 12:07 PM
daysend564 says He did it because Brown got to him a few plays earlier and for the most part Talib couldn’t cover him. It was clear to everyone not a Broncos fan (and really many that still were) that he was trying to injure him

I don’t care WHY he did it! I had no dog in this fight. Yes it was a violent penalty. But we don’t have LEVELS of Personal Fouls. The FACT that it happened on the 1 yard line is irrelevant! If it happened in between the 20’s it would’ve been a 15 yard penalty and an automatic first down! It was given the MAX penalty allowed by the rulebook! You can’t start adding the THOUGHT POLICE to the NFL!

I’m sorry if your team LOST! I don’t care if your team WON! All I care about is that we keep this PC culture that’s INFECTED our country, OUT of our entertainment! It’s sickening!
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Anyone who watches and/or understands football doesn’t need to be in the player’s head to understand that was intentional. Talib didn’t need to say it. His actions said it. He literally through him by his facemask. He didn’t just grab and yank. It was a miracle that Brown stood up following the play. Even more of a miracle was that everyone stayed cool and collected and that Brown didn’t go after him. If that was my teammate being thrown like that, I’m going after the guy. There’s no room in the game for plays like that. You can call it politically correct if you want and say that the old guys wouldn’t be able to handle it… that’s your prerogative. This was ejection PLUS suspension worthy. He should have been long gone. Hopefully the league hits him hard and stands their ground.

Just because the impact of the penalty on the field wasn’t great Talib might get suspended….Not saying it was or wasn’t intentional but instead of suspending a player maybe the league should start enforcing those penalties on the kickoffs or at least have the option to enforce it there.

On kickoffs? The ball is going thru the endzone now, maybe they can look at 15 yards after the runback, touchback. Start at the 5 instead of the 20, etc. I laughed when I heard “half the distance to the goal” He knew what he was doing so what’s a yard and a half on an egregious penalty?

Talib is a punk and I hate the Donks but if we’re going to suspend players for a face mask I am done. Can not believe what I am reading in here.
then again I see similar tears about maybe .4 PSI maybe missing from footballs…

damn this is getting sad
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He wouldn’t be suspended for a “face mask.”

He would be suspended for intentionally grabbing a player’s face mask, and spinning the player around a couple of times before throwing him out of bounds, and then admitting he did it intentionally.

So what. Chris signed a new contract and Roby is still on his rookie deal. He can sit a couple of games with no damage. Worth it to set the tone early and let the selfie dabbers know that you’re in a real game with real men that are gonna beat on you like the backup dancers you are.

The only punishment that would have an impact is to take the ring. I know it can’t happen, but money and a little time off mean nothing. He could have broken Cory’s neck. I am a Denver fan and I am ashamed of that man being on the team. No one person is irreplaceable.

if talib didn’t grab the helmet and toss the other out of the field, that would have been a td. good head-up play by talib, he definitely took advantage of the rules here and took the penalty, saved a td (on that play), and made the offensive player pay.
suspension or fine are fair in my opinion.

Players need to be smart about taking penalties, but intentionally taking a strategic penalty is often coached according to the circumstances of the game. Talib prevented a TD on that play, and I doubt that the NFL will suspend him for that strategy. This site fosters too many arm-chair coaches without understanding the circumstances of the game.

Burfict got three games for being a repeat offender. Talib should get the same. He could have ruined someone’s life with that tackle. No place for that in football. It just shows how stupid he is too that he doesn’t care if he paralyzes someone as long as he’s only going to get a ‘parking ticket.’

This was one of the dirtiest plays ive ever seen in football..he could have really hurt him..if he did that to me i would make sure i beat his ass with a baseball bat this off season and make sure his knee caps are busted so bad he never plays another down

alwaters9 says:
Feb 9, 2016 12:39 PM
This came in the heat of action in the most important game of his career, what should he have done? Let him score? That would have been stupid. The only way to prevent a touchdown was with the facemask. Suspend him for a game or two? Fine. But don’t condemn the guy for something that EVERY player would have done.

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Only way to stop him? How about making a legal tackle? Using your logic it would be OK for someone on the Broncos sideline to simply trip the receiver and take the penalty……right?

Talib should have been tossed for it. I heard Panthers fans, Broncos fans, and general football fans all saying it. He shouldn’t have seen another down of that game. I don’t think it would have changed the game too much but that shouldn’t matter. It was clearly malicious. The refs clearly blew that one.
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Tossing Talib would have hurt manning’s chances of winning. It’s so obvious the NFL desperately wanted the HGH boy to win.

How about this. If the receiver has a clear path to the end zone and is fouled in this manner, award a touchdown and penalize 15 yeards on the kickoff. Think that might deter this type of behavior?
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Offending player is ejected, the offense is awarded a touchdown, and next possession of the ball.

1. Is the standard 15 yard (and a first down if you are on defense) penalty for a personal foul adequate in the modern era where high powered offenses routinely have big yardage plays? If you are on defense and you have a 15 yard penalty, that’s not really as bad now when defenses typically give up a 15+ yard plays 5-10 times a game. Consider that the rule was written in the day when 4 yards and a cloud of dust was the norm

2. Should there be a two tier personal foul penalty to severely punish (and hopefully dissuade) particularly fragrant and dangerous fouls within the game environment. I guess the short answer to that is that there already is the option for player ejection, but we seen that NOT being used when it should have been so often(e.g. Josh Norman’s hit on OBJ) that maybe there should be some changes to the guidance on that. I think that a good punishment for this penalty would give the coach of the other team the option of (1) ejecting the offending player for the remainder of this game, (2) suspending him for next game, or (3) a game altering yardage penalty

3. Should the “half the distance to the goal” punishment be changed for all penalties? You might for example give the opposing coach the option of enforcing the penalty on or after the next change of possession or (if you want to make it really fun) at some time of his choosing later in the game.

The bottom line is that the purpose of having punishment is to deter behavior. Short of ejection, there is no punishment in the rule book that would have served as any deterrent in this case