She recently became engaged to marry Glenn Cadrez, a former NFL linebacker who played for the New York Jets, Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brande_Roderick

It's about time that bastard finally hit someone.

FAX

02-10-2007, 09:43 PM

It's about time that bastard finally hit someone.

ROFL

Good one, Mr. milkman.

FAX

CoMoChief

02-10-2007, 09:45 PM

Besides Carl it's Lin **** Up.

Skip Towne

02-10-2007, 10:01 PM

It's about time that bastard finally hit someone.
I'd do her.

Extra Point

02-10-2007, 10:34 PM

John Matuzsak. 1st round bust that wound up wearing a SB ring for the Raiders. Poster guy for steroids.

Munson

02-10-2007, 11:22 PM

For me, its a toss up between Lin Elliot and Eric Warfield. :cuss:

RNR

02-10-2007, 11:25 PM

John Matuzsak. 1st round bust that wound up wearing a SB ring for the Raiders. Poster guy for steroids.
I think you may have him and Alzado mixed up on the steroids use. Tooz did alot of drugs but I have not heard anything about steroids.

Nightwish

02-10-2007, 11:30 PM

Definitely the kicker that can't be mentioned, with Grbac not far behind. I don't count Carl Peterson, because I don't consider him a "Chief," he's just a politician and a businessman.

Nightwish

02-10-2007, 11:36 PM

This is a no brainer.

and if you mention his name, you deserve to be kicked in the nuts.

Now stop asking stupid questions.If he's doing the kicking, I think the nuts are safe. And I'm pretty sure Jack Bernstein got royalties from that game!

As anyone of you that sat in the COLD ASS STADIUM back in January 1995 (Like KCFalcon59 and I did) and watched "THE IDIOT KICKER" fuggin blow the game for us would know who to vote for.

As I agree with Milkman that CARL is to blame because it comes from the top DOWN... He didn't line up and miss field goal after field goal like the IDIOT KICKER.

That is all

.

BigRedChief

02-11-2007, 08:51 AM

Lin Ellliot.
http://www.forumspile.com/Post-Crap-Dog_Suicide.jpg

Direckshun

02-11-2007, 09:31 AM

Osama Bin Elliot

milkman

02-11-2007, 09:36 AM

http://www.forumspile.com/Post-Crap-Dog_Suicide.jpg

Leaving only Elliot's name in the quote is misleading to those who don't read the entire thread.

I don't hate Lin Elliot.

He was inconsistent going into the playoffs, and I, as afan, had no expectations of Elliot suddenly finding his stroke.

Why did Marty think he would?

And why did Carl hire Marty to begin with.

Elliot did his best, and clearly his best was never good enough, which is why he was available to begin with.

It all starts with Carl.

gblowfish

02-11-2007, 09:43 AM

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefspage6.html

Dr. Johnny Fever

02-11-2007, 09:44 AM

Dick Vermeil... the author of "The pussification of a defense."

StcChief

02-11-2007, 09:52 AM

Considering all. now. Elliot was who we thought he was.

Blame falls on King Carl for 18 years of futility.

Dr. Johnny Fever

02-11-2007, 10:03 AM

I'm not defending him so much but we wouldn't have Larry Johnson were it not for Carl Peterson. Also, we were the winningest team of the 90's. I know that doesn't mean as much when we can't win a playoff game to save our lives but still... it's something. Carl's biggest downfall imo is being too loyal to friends and former coaches instead of always doing what the team needs. I wouldn't be sad to see him go but he has done some good things.

And Marty Shottenheimer took a horrible 80's team and turned it into a yearly contender throughout the 90's. It's not like he's done better somewhere else and only fugged us over in the playoffs. I'm thankful Marty came along when he did... and then I was thankful when he left.

milkman

02-11-2007, 10:04 AM

http://www.georgeblowfish.com/chiefspage6.html

LMAO
Nice site G!

But it only provides further proof that Carl is incompetent and should be the man most hated.

Deberg_1990

02-11-2007, 10:16 AM

Elliot did his best, and clearly his best was never good enough, which is why he was available to begin with.

Whats sad is, Elliott probably has the last laugh....he has a Super Bowl ring with the 92 Cowboys....

milkman

02-11-2007, 10:18 AM

I'm not defending him so much but we wouldn't have Larry Johnson were it not for Carl Peterson. Also, we were the winningest team of the 90's. I know that doesn't mean as much when we can't win a playoff game to save our lives but still... it's something. Carl's biggest downfall imo is being too loyal to friends and former coaches instead of always doing what the team needs. I wouldn't be sad to see him go but he has done some good things.

And Marty Shottenheimer took a horrible 80's team and turned it into a yearly contender throughout the 90's. It's not like he's done better somewhere else and only fugged us over in the playoffs. I'm thankful Marty came along when he did... and then I was thankful when he left.

It is an indisputable fact that both Marty and Carl returned this franchise to respectability, but after 10 years of playoff failure it was time for both to move on.

ChiTown

02-11-2007, 10:21 AM

"Carl Elliott"

wazu

02-11-2007, 12:39 PM

I no longer have any venom for "He Who Should Not Be Named". It's not his fault he sucked. It's Marty's fault for lining him up over and over again when we already knew he sucked.

I vote Sims at this point. That guy has absolutely disgusted me since the first day he was signed and I saw a picture of that gellatinous blob who apparently had done nothing but shove twinkies down his pie-hole all summer.

FAX

02-11-2007, 12:41 PM

I vote Grbac.

That guy was a dream killer and a heart breaker.

FAX

gblowfish

02-11-2007, 12:43 PM

If we're talking about Chiefs Fans, I'd say the most hated players would include:

You can say King Carl is the most hated exec, but Jack Steadman ran the team into the ground from 1972-1987. That's fifteen years of crap, worse than even King Carl's tenure.

FDS

02-11-2007, 12:53 PM

In thread spin off

Future hated Chiefs?

Halfcan

02-11-2007, 02:31 PM

You guys obsess to ****ing much about Lin Ellliot.

It's Marty's fault that he put an unreliable kicker in a position to fail, over and over.

And it's Carl's fault that Marty was in charge to begin with, as well as the useles muther****ers that followed.

The only answer is Carl.

Everyone else in the 18 years since is just the product of Carl's worthless attempts to field a real SB contender.

All he's managed, at best, is pretenders.

Yep just like keeping Tynes.

Rain Man

02-11-2007, 02:32 PM

Paul Hackett. No doubt about it. Paul Hackett.

Ultra Peanut

02-11-2007, 02:52 PM

I vote Grbac.

That guy was a dream killer and a heart breaker.

FAXAnd worse yet, a complete, unapologetic douchebag.

Flustrated

02-11-2007, 03:36 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I hated it when Joe Montana joined the Chiefs and the team automatically became, "his Chiefs". Even though Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, and the defense were clearly what made the teams perenial playoff contenders.

CoMoChief

02-11-2007, 03:45 PM

I really hated McCleon and Bartee. Siavii and Sims are up there. Basically it could be anyone who has played defense for the Chiefs from 2001-2004.

Wile_E_Coyote

02-11-2007, 03:49 PM

I always hated Gannon. I must admit he is one of the better ex-jocks doing games

Wile_E_Coyote

02-11-2007, 03:54 PM

I really hated McCleon and Bartee. Siavii and Sims are up there. Basically it could be anyone who has played defense for the Chiefs from 2001-2004.

I don't know about anyone else, but I hated it when Joe Montana joined the Chiefs and the team automatically became, "his Chiefs". Even though Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, and the defense were clearly what made the teams perenial playoff contenders.

It has been my contention since the Chiefs traded for Montana that it was a short sighted move.

Deberg_1990

02-11-2007, 06:10 PM

It has been my contention since the Chiefs traded for Montana that it was a short sighted move.

How can you say that?? He was the last QB to win a playoff game in KC and got as all the way to the AFC Championship...

Frazod

02-11-2007, 06:19 PM

My vote would have been for the Unmentionable Kicker.... UNTIL I watched Benedict Neil Smith get inducted into our Ring of Fame.

:Lin:

milkman

02-11-2007, 06:21 PM

How can you say that?? He was the last QB to win a playoff game in KC and got as all the way to the AFC Championship...

Yes, but we still didn't win, or even advance to, a SB, and he only gave us two years, in which he missed about 7 games to injury.

I felt at the time that Steve Buerlein would have been a more practical solution as a FA for the long term, and we could have used that first round pick we gave up for Montana.

I believe that the 9ers used that pick to take Dana Stubblefield.

With Buerlein, we would not have had to suffer through the Bono years, the Grbac years, and would never have had the Grbac/Gannon debate.

With Stubblefield, we might never have signed Chet McGlocton.

Deberg_1990

02-11-2007, 06:34 PM

With Buerlein, we would not have had to suffer through the Bono years, the Grbac years, and would never have had the Grbac/Gannon debate.

With Stubblefield, we might never have signed Chet McGlocton.

hahah...your overthinking it waaay too much. We could "what if" ourselves to death if we so desired....

I just prefer to remember that in spite of Bono and Grbac, we still won and won bigtime in a few of those seasons....

big nasty kcnut

02-11-2007, 06:42 PM

King Carl

milkman

02-11-2007, 06:42 PM

hahah...your overthinking it waaay too much. We could "what if" ourselves to death if we so desired....

I just prefer to remember that in spite of Bono and Grbac, we still won and won bigtime in a few of those seasons....

That may well be, but these are things I've thought about since.

But at the time, before we traded for Montana, I thought it was a bad idea, because he would not be a long term solution to the QB position.

I thought that Steve Buerlein could be.

As for Montana, he clearly wasn't, and we paid for that decision in the form of Bono and Grbac.

There, of course, are no guarantees that Buerlein would have been, but he did have a few good years, and I think the Chiefs version of the West Coast offense, he would have been a good fit.

Regardless, as great as Montana was, he was a short term solution to a long term problem.

And that problem continued to plague us for years after he retired.

Deberg_1990

02-11-2007, 06:52 PM

That may well be, but these are things I've thought about since.

But at the time, before we traded for Montana, I thought it was a bad idea, because he would not be a long term solution to the QB position.

I thought that Steve Buerlein could be.

As for Montana, he clearly wasn't, and we paid for that decision in the form of Bono and Grbac.

There, of course, are no guarantees that Buerlein would have been, but he did have a few good years, and I think the Chiefs version of the West Coast offense, he would have been a good fit.

Regardless, as great as Montana was, he was a short term solution to a long term problem.

And that problem continued to plague us for years after he retired.

Im not disagreeing with anything you said....but you are making assumptions that Carl and his cronies at the time would have felt the same way and made the same decisions.....highly doubtful...

milkman

02-11-2007, 07:00 PM

Im not disagreeing with anything you said....but you are making assumptions that Carl and his cronies at the time would have felt the same way and made the same decisions.....highly doubtful...

All the other things are just speculation.

The bottom line is, Joe Montana was a short term solution.
Buerlein could have been a long term solution.

Deberg_1990

02-11-2007, 07:07 PM

All the other things are just speculation.

The bottom line is, Joe Montana was a short term solution.
Buerlein could have been a long term solution.

Im not sure how much the Chiefs pursued Buerlein at the time? I remember them being somewhat interested in him at the time, but im not sure how serious they were??

He would have been good no doubt. I think he had a couple of Pro Bowl seasons in the late 90's with the Panthers??

Oh well....i doubt he would have made too much of a difference to be honest......we still had Marty, Hackett, and that crappy kicker...

Marlboro_Chief

02-11-2007, 08:50 PM

I always thought Bono was a turd.

Ironically, Bono represented the franchise in the Pro Bowl in February of 1996.