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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Accuse him of being argumentative... negative... using hyperbole to make his point if you want. Complain about his posting style. But it's not fair to label him a troll. IMHO.

Sorry this is going back two pages, but this is about equal to when you claimed he didn't make crap up. The guy is a blantant troll. He will post something looking for a reaction, not get it, and the repost the same sentiments but make it a little more insulting and put his behind it. If you want to be niave, and think he doesn't know what he's doing, then fine by me, but I can't breathe with my head in the sand so sorry if I don't participate.

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

Sorry this is going back two pages, but this is about equal to when you claimed he didn't make crap up. The guy is a blantant troll. He will post something looking for a reaction, not get it, and the repost the same sentiments but make it a little more insulting and put his behind it. If you want to be niave, and think he doesn't know what he's doing, then fine by me, but I can't breathe with my head in the sand so sorry if I don't participate.

I just disagree. The whining about Vnzla is more of problem to me as was allowing the whiners and others to pile on.
Vnzla cares about the Pacers. Sure he has his pet points but they are things he believes. He believes what he's saying AND he's been known to change his opinions on things when history has shown he should. Trolls don't do that. They come on here and make up stories about their lives to give them more credibility or sympathy and then push hot button topics that they know will be contrary to majority opinion... and never change their opinion. Or just change it on a dime because the reaction is what is important, not the point. Vnzla just defends his point. That's not how I define troll. If you do define it that way then we're just going to disagree.

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I just disagree. The whining about Vnzla is more of problem to me as was allowing the whiners and others to pile on.
Vnzla cares about the Pacers. Sure he has his pet points but they are things he believes. He believes what he's saying AND he's been known to change his opinions on things when history has shown he should. Trolls don't do that. They come on here and make up stories about their lives to give them more credibility or sympathy and then push hot button topics that they know will be contrary to majority opinion... and never change their opinion. Or just change it on a dime because the reaction is what is important, not the point. Vnzla just defends his point. That's not how I define troll. If you do define it that way then we're just going to disagree.

You mean like when he thought the bench was upgraded last year, and then talked about how everyone else was dumb for thinking the bench was upgraded. Yeah, he would NEVER EVER do anything like that.... Yeah, we will just have to disagree, while he sits out his 30 days for his trollish behavior. Too bad it couldn't be 50 days, Christmas would really be a treat then.

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

You mean like when he thought the bench was upgraded last year, and then talked about how everyone else was dumb for thinking the bench was upgraded. Yeah, he would NEVER EVER do anything like that.... Yeah, we will just have to disagree, while he sits out his 30 days for his trollish behavior. Too bad it couldn't be 50 days, Christmas would really be a treat then.

I don't know if he did that or not but people are wrong sometimes. It happens. You're wrong at times and that doesn't stop you from arguing your point... so are you a troll?

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I don't know if he did that or not but people are wrong sometimes. It happens. You're wrong at times and that doesn't stop you from arguing your point... so are you a troll?

My point wasn't about him being wrong, it was the fact that he was wrong, then revised history to make himself look right in order to laugh and insult anyone that originally agreed with him. When I'm wrong, I'll admit it. Trust me, I can handle being wrong on the intronet. My big head can take the hits. I don't pretend like I didn't say something that is documented, nor do I try to blame Able's servers for when I'm asked to backup my claims.

I've got to ask, if people whining about V is so annoying, then why are you keeping this conversation going?

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

You mean like when he thought the bench was upgraded last year, and then talked about how everyone else was dumb for thinking the bench was upgraded. Yeah, he would NEVER EVER do anything like that.... Yeah, we will just have to disagree, while he sits out his 30 days for his trollish behavior. Too bad it couldn't be 50 days, Christmas would really be a treat then.

Thumbs down so far, they improved the bench a bit by getting rid of DC for free and now they don't even have cap space to do anything, if this was the end of the 3,4,5 or 6 years plan I want my money back.

Did we even get a top 20 free agent with all the cap space other than our restricted free agents? is Green top 20? I doubt it.

I understand that not every poster is for everyone, but I fail to see ban-worthy behavior here other than "we don't like him and were just waiting for any possible reason". The final straw yesterday was talking about how he wanted CJ Watson along with posting a Ninja Turtles GIF. Seriously!?

There's no doubt that plenty of people are rejoicing at his ban, but I think it's also fair to say that quite a few of us think it was a draconian overreach. They have the right to do do whatever they want and I understand that the free speech guaranteed under the Constitution doesn't apply here, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to accept/agree with it.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

And I thought he has explained numerous times that when he made that comment, he was under the impression that more was on the way with the cap space. At the end of July when it was clear we were done making moves, he didn't seem too happy, as I showed above.

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

And I thought he has explained numerous times that when he made that comment, he was under the impression that more was on the way with the cap space. At the end of July when it was clear we were done making moves, he didn't seem too happy, as I showed above.

I think able made it pretty clear that the ban was put in place now because he was baiting people in the thread with a history of baiting and insulting people. Just because it was the last straw doesn't mean it carried the most weight. He doesn't just disagree with them. He disagrees with them, calls them idiots, apologists, or fanboys, and if you like something that the Pacers did that he disagrees with he'll accuse you of being placed on these boards to spread propaganda from the pacers PR department.

My prediction: Solomon Hill is going to lead the team in Surprisingly Good Plays for the year. -10/29/2014

Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

And I thought he has explained numerous times that when he made that comment, he was under the impression that more was on the way with the cap space. At the end of July when it was clear we were done making moves, he didn't seem too happy, as I showed above.

He railed against DJ all year. He loved the signing, just like everyone else, then when it turned out badly, he claimed he was against it from the beginning.

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

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Re: Odd Thought's: Running of the Bulls

I think we're ready to close this one now. We've gone 24 hours, so people have had a chance to say something (when, as able said, it really isn't something people should be weighing in on). Anyone with further feedback on vnzla can feel free to send PMs, but I believe this thread isn't helping the situation any.

Rest assured discussions about this kind of situations take place among the admins and it isn't just something that happens purely arbitrarily, even though not everyone may agree.

BillS

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