This Gang of Eight bill delegates a lot of authority to the administration," he explained. "So, with my amendment, Trust But Verify, we tried to get that authority back and keep it in Congress, where Congress would vote on whether the border is secure.

Ultimately, whether or not these people become citizens, under the Gang of Eight bill, is up to the president, Paul continued. I dont care if its a Republican president or a Democratic president. Thats too much power for one person to have."

"So, I would have kept that power with Congress and said Congress has to vote whether the border is secure before we keep moving forward. I would make even the initial process of giving work people visas dependent on a secure border," he stated.

With help from the Gang of Eight Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid succeeded in a motion to table, or kill, Pauls amendment that would have secured the border before legalizing Americas at least 11 million illegal immigrants. Pauls amendment also would have left the determination of whether the border was actually secured up to Congress rather than unelected bureaucrats and cabinet officials in the executive branch.

“Rubio and the other republicans supporting this monstrosity are getting played big time.”

No, he played his constituents big time. Rubio has just shown you that he’s like any other political whore that is selling us out to the highest bidder, in this case big business. If I was a fast food restaurant owner I’d be jumping for joy, not only do I get cheap labor but I don’t even have to pay the Obamacare tax on him! What a gift to special interests this is!

I wrote both Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson and my Congressman Doug Collins telling each that I EXPECTED a NO vote on ANY immigration issue brought before the SENATE, unless and until existing laws are being enforced, period.

I told them these illegal aliens deserve no special treatment and if they are ‘normalized’ ‘legalized’ or put on a “pathway to citizenship,” a YES vote by them is tantamount to treason against our sovereignty.

I predict, however, Chambliss (lame duck) and Isakson will turn traitor though and Collins will remain true.

I’m going to primary Isakson and give to his opponent. On Chambliss’ replacement, I’m NOT going to vote for anybody he endorses or for anybody that is a mainstream Republican.

There are 6 billion 3rd world poor people in the world. So Reid these democrats solution to OUR problems is to pass a bill that will let them all into the USA. The Senators are evil villains. Reid is an evil villain.

We elected them to represent us and instead they throw open the border to let in countless 3rd world poor and criminal leftists to destroy America and our opportunities to make a living.

And common liberal/democrat voters praise this action when 100s of million of immigrants will take their jobs , our jobs everything.

These senators who voted for this Amnesty bill are traitors and villains. have you no shame you idiot liberals and senators. you are voting for them to take your job. Socialism doesnt work and that s what you are creating a socialist state by allowing untold millions of leftists to invade the USA with this bill.

Also the media has put the lie out there into Republicans’ heads that they have to pass Amnesty to get Hispanics to like them .Hispanics already here legally don't care about Amnesty for illegals. only 4% of Americans think that Amnesty or immigration is a pressing issue. but that's what Congress and Obama are focusing on. that's BS. Hispanics already here don't want 100 million more immigrants, or illegals to come here as this bill mandates.

What American or anyone in the USA now is for tens of millions or more immigrants coming here to take our jobs and to suck up more gov benefits?Nobody would be for this bill if they knew what it does.

"So, I would have kept that power with Congress and said Congress has to vote whether the border is secure before we keep moving forward. I would make even the initial process of giving work people visas dependent on a secure border," he stated.

The problem is Congress doesn't want power.

Congress is terrified of being held responsible if something goes wrong. As a result, they've ceded most of their power to the Judicial and Executive Branches of the federal government.

By voluntarily surrendering their Constitutional authority, they've made it much easier for a tyrant to emerge.

“You are responding to a liberal troll . here he is calling Sarah Palin names.”

You should at least ping me if you’re going to slander me. But coming from someone with the tag line “Democrat_media” it’s no surprise. And just because I’m not a Palin worshiper does not mean I’m a liberal troll, just someone that doesn’t share your particular religious devotion.

Get back to me when Rand Paul get’s honest about this issue and renounces his own Amnesty plan to provide Amnesty for 2 million Illegal Aliens each and every year based on the flawed idea of a Pro-Amnesty Congress “Certifying” the border secure. Also, when he comes out publically for enforcing the current laws, beefing up e-Verify.

At that point, I’ll pat Rand Paul on the back and support him.

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posted on 06/26/2013 6:21:51 AM PDT
by SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)

“Rubio and the other republicans supporting this monstrosity are getting played big time.”

They aren’t getting played; they’re willing participants in this charade who simply are using empty promises of border security as a convenient peg upon which to hang their hat in voting for so-called immigration reform.

Every GOP members who votes for this bill should face a real conservative in their next primary

I would suggest that with today's TWO SCOTUS gifts to the degenerates now running this newly TRANSFORMED America, calls to the Senate will drop off sharply starting today. There is only one entity that is going to win in the CW II now being played out in America - and that is GOD.

I heard something truly frightening about this bill. It is mandated that employers buy their employees obamacare or pay a fine. That is not required if they were to hire one of the amnesteyed people. That in effect would move them to the FRONT of the line for jobs.

What chaps me is the propensity for thousands of pastors across the US favoring this thing because it is, bipartisan...and is so biblical to help the immigrant. There are so many things that violates and isn’t true about...how about stealing? What about ranchers and folks on the border being raped, killed, etc.? It steals money from me...it is so political but the pastors don’t see it as such; they lay back, get the salary and benefits while poor saps like me bust their but and want a path to citizenship for immigrants, but not in this way.

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posted on 06/26/2013 12:11:45 PM PDT
by CincyRichieRich
(To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you are not allowed to criticize. ~ Voltaire)

I will credit Rand Paul with honesty and a true commitment to his principles. The problem is his principles when it comes to immigration are cultural suicide. He take the Libertarian position that if the employer wants them, let them in. To hell with national security.

It is mandated that employers buy their employees obamacare or pay a fine. That is not required if they were to hire one of the amnesteyed people. That in effect would move them to the FRONT of the line for jobs.

Tell them to stop all Amnesty or immigration bills.they are all trojan horse bills. some will promise border security that will never be enforced anyway. but in the bill will be the virus:

at least 3 ways to destroy the USA

1. amnesty to 30 million illegals and chain migration.

2. Amnesty forever to ANY foriegner in the 3rd world. all he has to say is he’s seeking political asylum .there are 6 billion poor in the 3rd world . and this bill will allow any of the to come here , all they need is to get on a boat.
3. many more work visas for many occupations

Bachmann explained it . The House will write a border security bill only . then in conference the senate will add the virus and then bring it back to the house. then the conservatives won’t vote for it but democrats will all vote for it so only need 10% of republicans to pass Amnesty and the virus that will destroy America. so any bill at all will be added the virus . so best thing is for Boner to not let any immigration bill at all come out of the House. that is the only hope . call boner and the House

Rubio and the other republicans supporting this monstrosity are getting played big time

I don't buy the claim that Rubio and other pro-amnesty Republicans are just naive but well-intentioned people led astray by the Machiavellian genius of Barack Obama.

They know perfectly well what they're doing: which is the same thing that Obama is - pandering for Hispanic votes. What's pathetic about the whole deal is that Obama and the Democrats will always win at this game, because they have so much more to offer the illegals. Sure, the Republicans will give them amnesty too, but will Republicans also support food stamps, welfare checks, government sponsored healthcare, affirmative action, bilingual education, etc?

We are already under a one party rule. The Democrats say what is needed, and the republicans quake in their boots and surely don’t have any backbone, and just want to be liked, so they go happily along. Reminds me of Romans 1:22, “Professing to be wise, they became fools.” God have mercy on those of us who do love HIM. Take us home quickly away from this madness. Makes me think of another comment I read today, “I have the same sick feeling that I did on 9-11.”

The Dems have a plan and are executing it. Executing their policies so well they have decided to dabble in running the GOP. Outside of a handful of patriots the GOP is nothing more than a bunch of careerist pigs feeding at the K Street trough. They have been totally whipped by the Dems/MSM and have given up any interest in engaged opposition to team kenya.

I’ve got a better idea Seanator Paul-how about a constitutional amendment taking the power to grant amnesty away from both the president and congress. Both branches have become vote chasing whores and seek to do what they think is in their interests and not the interests of the country.

Our tolerance for debt-based welfare to immigrants is equal to our tolerance for the debt that we are willing to pass onto our children and grandchildren.

Reduce our tolerance for debt-based Federal Programs, and our tolerance for immigration will also be reduced.

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Our Southern Border is under the control of Mexican Drug Gangs. An illegal attempt by AG Holder to challenge their grip failed with Fast and Furious.

Obama has allowed INS officials to increase the number of got-aways and to decrease the number of illegal alien invaders actually caught.

Gullible News outlets, such as The Wall Street Journal routinely run articles quoting Obamanation statistics that numbers of captured illegal alien invaders are down, and thus there is no such thing as the surge of illegal alien invaders from Mexico and other Southern Hemisphere Socialist Countries.

Most News outlets refuse to come to our Southern Border to document their obviously false assertions.

Most State Politicians cower when our sorry NINE SUPREMES dictate that the State has no authority to protect itself from illegal alien invaders.

As long as THE NINE SUPREMES have 4 Socialist Judges, there will always be a high risk that some gullible Judge from the Majority will cross over to the dark side and continue the destruction of our US Constitution as the signature accomplishment of the US Welfare State. Traitor John Roberts support of Obamacare is the most horrific example.

Thus, it is incumbent upon those of us who still value the US Constitution to oppose the dark side, what we now call Obamanation.

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The purpose of passing a Federal reform immigration bill this year is to allow illegal alien invaders from Mexico, and other Central and South American Socialist Countries, to vote for Socialist-Democrats and appeasing RINOs in the 2014 and 2016 USA National Elections for more debt-generating welfare to future illegal alien invaders to become future Socialist-Democrat voters.

These future Socialist-Democrat voters should be called McCain-Rubio Democrats, as no other Senators have done more to encourage gullible RINOs to appease and otherwise cave-in to debt-dependent Democrats than these two sorry RINO Senators.

Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag!

It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation!

For example:

While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to get a bill passed this year, nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA.

The Basic Problem: Illegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages.

Solutions that address the Basic Problem:

1.) End the Anchor Baby Law.

2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA).

3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens.

4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien.

5.) Spend NO money on securing the border. It is a bottomless money pit.

6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once.

7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and thus under the control of the Governor of each State. The less Federal involvement, the better.

8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever.

9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Ted Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement.

Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!

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