tiamet4:NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

steamingpile:How big is the dog and how big are you? The easiest way is to try the dominance method where you get near them and lie down on them until they quit trying to get up and submit. It is a dominance issue that will let a dog know who they are supposed to submit to instead of being a dick.

Absolutely. And you don't need to penetrate them when you mount them, but you should be naked, or nearly so, so the dog can smell your pheramones from your sex organs. Much of canine anxiety comes from new and different settings where they don't know the hierarchy. As pack animals, dogs depend on this information to know their role. Imagine showing up at a new job with an established hierarchy of labor and several layers of management but you don't know what your position is in the company. What are you supposed to do? Who to you take orders from? Who to you direct? Very stressful, huh? Same with a dog. They're social creatures but in the wild, they stay WITHIN their packs, rarely interacting with individuals from different packs. You need to show your animal where he fits in your pack.

That's where your scent becomes so important. Between our visual orientation and our centuries of perfume and bathing, we barely notice our own scents, but it's a powerful identifier for your dog. Placing your bare genitals, particularly if you have had all day to walk around and have some perspiration, will imprint your scent on the animal and that, paired with the mounting, will assure the animal of its place in the pack hierarchy and alleviate that stress.

You can get a Boston terrier as well or a French bulldog, mini Doberman's always seemed too skittish to me at least the ones I have seen.

Min pins are awesome, I had a mix, min pin and mini poodle. The only bad thing is min pins can have extreme separation anxiety apparently. Mine had the devotion (they're very close with their owners) but she never barked unless something was actually coming into the yard or house. Otherwise she was very well behaved, other than acting like a puppy her entire life.

rikkitikkitavi:tiamet4: NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

Lady Indica:I did research on that pic when I first saw it years ago, it horrified me so much. What I dug up at the time was that the child was on a road to the UN food camp, and was alone (though the road wasn't deserted). The food camp was not within visible distance (but was within a mile IIRC), and he did not follow up on whether or not the child made it to the camp, or survived. He later felt really shiatty about this, his life went downhill after the picture and controversy with it and he eventually committed suicide. I think Snopes has something on it too, but not sure.

Regardless, that picture haunts the fark out of me.

I did the same many years ago when I first saw it. That alternative version by the Spanish(?) photographers is a new one to me and it looks linked to the Japanese book release which leads me to question its credibility. In my opinion it is the single most devastating image ever taken. It's a perpetual stomach punch. It brings tears to my eyes.

tiamet4:rikkitikkitavi: tiamet4: NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

It's hilarious when two people who think animals have the same thought processes as humans get into a slap-fight over the particulars of their delusion.

/like watching two schizoes argue over whether the voices in their heads come from Satan or space aliens

tiamet4:Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

What are you talking about?!? Submission, dominance and hierarchy in the pack is the ONLY thing a dog understands. "Reward training" has it's place, and "punishment training" doesn't have to be physically abusive at all. Establishing dominance, physical dominance is paramount to establishing control and the "Alpha position" over your dog(s).

Tatterdemalian:tiamet4: rikkitikkitavi: tiamet4: NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

It's hilarious when two people who think animals have the same thought processes as humans get into a slap-fight over the particulars of their delusion.

/like watching two schizoes argue over whether the voices in their heads come from Satan or space aliens

Dude, it's obviously the NSA. Who else would have the technology and the motivation?

Clearance for Clarence:QueenMamaBee: Anyone have any experience with Plott hounds? I haven't heard of them, but our local rescue has two. They're cute!!! I kinda want.

They are generally very sweet. Careful offleash though since they tend to have a mind of their own and wander.

k. I'll keep that in mind. I really have my heart set on an Irish Setter, but if no local rescues get one anytime soon, I might get a Plott hound. I'm not buying from a breeder or pet store. Or I might just foster for awhile. Soon as I get my son completely over his fear of dogs, I'm getting one. If I'd gotten him over this fear last year, my bestie's Weimeraner would be mine, since the girl who had to get rid of it is a coworker of mine. He lucked out >:(

tiamet4:steamingpile: born_yesterday: steamingpile: Yeah if you have a kill shelter then try and find one there, always felt sad doing networks in there and leaving dogs. Make sure you get one fairly young, don't need a headache someone dumped off.

Like my dad's dog, whose original owner apparently beat her with a fishing rod.

Yeah, dad, don't think that's working. Pretty sure the dog doesn't speak conversational English. Just get her to stop growling and snapping at me, would ya?

/Last cat was a stray.//Would never go to a pet mill.

How big is the dog and how big are you? The easiest way is to try the dominance method where you get near them and lie down on them until they quit trying to get up and submit. It is a dominance issue that will let a dog know who they are supposed to submit to instead of being a dick.

NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

The best way to handle this would be to have your dad talk to his vet or a good trainer (one who uses primarily non-punis ...

Nurglitch:Tatterdemalian: tiamet4: rikkitikkitavi: tiamet4: NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

It's hilarious when two people who think animals have the same thought processes as humans get into a slap-fight over the particulars of their delusion.

/like watching two schizoes argue over whether the voices in their heads come from Satan or space aliens

Dude, it's obviously the NSA. Who else would have the technology and the motivation?

I wasn't arguing. I was just mocking. It seemed pointless to try to argue with Riki, even though what I said is in keeping with the current methods of most reputable behaviorist and trainers and what I have personally seen work as a veterinarian.

Adorable. But you might want to break them of that before they get much bigger.

Small dogs grabbing your legs, cute.

Large dogs grabbing your legs, ER.

AngryJailhouseFistfark:steamingpile: How big is the dog and how big are you? The easiest way is to try the dominance method where you get near them and lie down on them until they quit trying to get up and submit. It is a dominance issue that will let a dog know who they are supposed to submit to instead of being a dick.

Absolutely. And you don't need to penetrate them when you mount them, but you should be naked, or nearly so, so the dog can smell your pheramones from your sex organs. Much of canine anxiety comes from new and different settings where they don't know the hierarchy. As pack animals, dogs depend on this information to know their role. Imagine showing up at a new job with an established hierarchy of labor and several layers of management but you don't know what your position is in the company. What are you supposed to do? Who to you take orders from? Who to you direct? Very stressful, huh? Same with a dog. They're social creatures but in the wild, they stay WITHIN their packs, rarely interacting with individuals from different packs. You need to show your animal where he fits in your pack.

That's where your scent becomes so important. Between our visual orientation and our centuries of perfume and bathing, we barely notice our own scents, but it's a powerful identifier for your dog. Placing your bare genitals, particularly if you have had all day to walk around and have some perspiration, will imprint your scent on the animal and that, paired with the mounting, will assure the animal of its place in the pack hierarchy and alleviate that stress.

AngryJailhouseFistfark:Absolutely. And you don't need to penetrate them when you mount them, but you should be naked, or nearly so, so the dog can smell your pheramones from your sex organs. Much of canine anxiety comes from new and different settings where they don't know the hierarchy. As pack animals, dogs depend on this information to know their role. Imagine showing up at a new job with an established hierarchy of labor and several layers of management but you don't know what your position is in the company. What are you supposed to do? Who to you take orders from? Who to you direct? Very stressful, huh? Same with a dog. They're social creatures but in the wild, they stay WITHIN their packs, rarely interacting with individuals from different packs. You need to show your animal where he fits in your pack.

That's where your scent becomes so important. Between our visual orientation and our centuries of perfume and bathing, we barely notice our own scents, but it's a powerful identifier for your dog. Placing your bare genitals, particularly if you have had all day to walk around and have some perspiration, will imprint your scent on the animal and that, paired with the mounting, will assure the animal of its place in the pack hierarchy and alleviate that stress.

AngryJailhouseFistfark:steamingpile: How big is the dog and how big are you? The easiest way is to try the dominance method where you get near them and lie down on them until they quit trying to get up and submit. It is a dominance issue that will let a dog know who they are supposed to submit to instead of being a dick.

Absolutely. And you don't need to penetrate them when you mount them, but you should be naked, or nearly so, so the dog can smell your pheramones from your sex organs. Much of canine anxiety comes from new and different settings where they don't know the hierarchy. As pack animals, dogs depend on this information to know their role. Imagine showing up at a new job with an established hierarchy of labor and several layers of management but you don't know what your position is in the company. What are you supposed to do? Who to you take orders from? Who to you direct? Very stressful, huh? Same with a dog. They're social creatures but in the wild, they stay WITHIN their packs, rarely interacting with individuals from different packs. You need to show your animal where he fits in your pack.

That's where your scent becomes so important. Between our visual orientation and our centuries of perfume and bathing, we barely notice our own scents, but it's a powerful identifier for your dog. Placing your bare genitals, particularly if you have had all day to walk around and have some perspiration, will imprint your scent on the animal and that, paired with the mounting, will assure the animal of its place in the pack hierarchy and alleviate that stress.

HindiDiscoMonster:tiamet4: rikkitikkitavi: tiamet4: NO. DON'T DO THIS. People commonly recommend it and maybe it has worked on some dogs, but in general it puts you in danger of being bitten, and frightens the dog, reinforcing its need to be aggressive around you (most aggression is fear based, not dominance based). Imagine if some scary person came into your house and you told him to GTFO and he grabbed you and tried to hold you down on your back to "show you you have to submit". You'd flip the f*ck out and think you're going to die. This method would best be described as "flooding" and only works if you can safely (for you and the dog) restrain him for as long as it takes for him to become completely calm. It's akin to teaching a person not to be afraid of spiders by locking them up in a box with spiders and not letting them out until they are calm. You can do it that way, but it's torture, they may hurt themselves or someone else trying to escape in a panic, and if you stop even a little bit before they have fully calmed down you've only increased their fear. It's a bad idea.

You have no idea what you're talking about and your analogies are complete bunk. Submission and dominance are not punishment. And are non-aggressive.

Well I'm not going to argue that there aren't situations for people where submission and dominance aren't punishment, but you really shouldn't be going there with your dog.

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I don't know what disturbs me more: the fact that those exist or the fact that there was a demand for a blindfold portion.

I saw Django Unchained, and was shocked at the scene where Calvin Candie's dogs ripped apart a slave. But when you look closely at the scene, you can tell that it was all done with tricky editing and unusual camera angles. I am sure that in many jump cuts in this scene where you only see the slave's legs, it isn't even a real person being attacked. Besides, nobody in Hollywood would release a mainstream film where an actor would be really torn apart by dogs. It was nonetheless a shocking scene, but as close as I want to come to seeing this happen.

you know what would make that really funny? If the bird's words were not 1 point microscopic type... just sayin' it's kinda hard to laugh at half a joke.

The other half of the joke isn't a talking vulture. It's the presumed knowledge of the photo's backstory.

Especially since the child's parents were nearby and the picture was taken near a UN food dump. The kid was alone while his parents got their boxes of aid and Carter thought the picture looked cool.

I did research on that pic when I first saw it years ago, it horrified me so much. What I dug up at the time was that the child was on a road to the UN food camp, and was alone (though the road wasn't deserted). The food camp was not within visible distance (but was within a mile IIRC), and he did not follow up on whether or not the child made it to the camp, or survived. He later felt really shiatty about this, his life went downhill after the picture and controversy with it and he eventually committed suicide. I think Snopes has something on it too, but not sure.