In other words, KC Streetcar numbers are merely BLOG, TWEET, INTERNETS ASSERTIONS are taken as news fact whilst any criticism of the toy train streetcar or questions about the data are greeted with scathing hatred from consultants on the take . . .

Just to prove that we're all about solutions here . . . What would it take for these numbers to be halfway convincing???? ANY kind of independent conformation from a source that wasn't financially tied to the project. Until then, it's all just propaganda and hype. Not news.

The burden of proof should rest on the people spending hundreds of millions of tax dollars and require just a bit more than their word.

And because this is the ONLY MEDIA OUTLET TO OFFER ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS to challenge this effort . . . You decide . . .

Don't make the streetcar consultants work Tk. They just get angry and then comment with some nitpick about old court cases trying to prove their worth to their Sly boss even if it makes them look like creeps in the process.

I agree, anecdotal evidence is not worthy of a project that costs hundreds of millions of dollars but when the streetcar authority offers UNVERIFIED statistics, their evidence is nothing more than anecdotal as well.

We as taxpayers aren't asking the public for money, the people taking the public's funds need to be accountable.

As stated in the KC Stat presentation today, streetcar ridership has the following Quality Control measures in place: AUTOMATIC COUNTERS: Calculated by Automated Passenger counters/sensors (APC) over each door of each streetcar.QUALITY CONTROL: Data is downloaded daily, reviewed and finalized by third-party for accuracy.MANUAL COUNTS: 30 Manual passenger checks performed during month of July to check for accuracy.ACCURACY: APC counts are within 1.4% accuracy (undercounting).

oh yes my GIGANTIC BAGS of streetcar money, with great big DOLLAR SIGNS on them, are DELIVERED WEEKLY to my SOLID GOLD JOCO MANSION. I let them PILE UP until one time THE FLOOR COLLAPSED due to the MASSIVE WEIGHT of all those bags of STREETCAR MONEY, with great big DOLLAR SIGNS on them, which are DELIVERED WEEKLY to my SOLID GOLD JOCO MANSION.

1:56, you are intentionally distorting the argument. As I read the post, TB is not stating flatly that City Hall's numbers are a "scam." The point is, rather, that the numbers are inherently suspicious because they are provided by people and entities who have a financial interest in the success of the streetcar. (Or, to put it more simply, be skeptical of zealots bearing numbers.) He says a count by a someone who has no financial interest would be more credible. And he is right.

Meanwhile, nice job of setting up that straw man and knocking him right down again.

We want to do some real research. With no one trusting the Sly James Developer Handout Roadshow these days, the manner of counting the numbers and the numbers themselves should be carefully looked in to.

When you get on the streetcar in the River Market you get counted. When you ride it to the end, you are required to depart and re enter. You are counted again. Add in people getting on at a few stops in between and the numbers are fabricated as double from what they actually are

No Stan, the numbers are all lies! There are no automated counting devices!!! That's scientific mumbo jumbo!!! The evidence is clear and plain as day. WE HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE AND YOU HAVE LIES!!! You're probably GETTING RICH off the streetcar and the armored cars are backing into the garage of your GOLD MANSION and dropping off MONEY BY THE TRUCKLOAD!!!! ARGARAGARAGRGRGEGRRRRRREEGHR

Hitting a nerve at City Hall today! In your breaks from blog-trolling, you might take a step back and wonder why people might seek independent verification? I'll start you off with a hint: Damaged credibility, terrible messaging and childish responses to questions. There ya go tiger! :)

He has a bigger vested interest in the streetcar because it's such a meth-fueled object of his...anger? mania? hate? jealousy? God only knows and He is up there laughing as truthful lips endure forever but a lying tongue lasts only a moment.

He was called out to prove the streetcar "broke down constantly." Did he? Of course not.

You're not hitting a nerve with city hall, just normal Kansas Citians. You guys 6 year streetcar freak out is temper tantrum that's gone on too long and the adults in the room are calling you 6 or 7 lunatics on your shit, finally.

The streetcar has broken down repeatedly and what we're seeing is these consultants getting scared and making more personal attacks when they get called out on their b.s., the numbers they are claiming are just like the 24 million tourists a year, absolutely unverified and accepted mostly on faith by the media. I am glad we don't do that on this blog.

Here's what I don't understand, why are the streetcar people against independent verification? If they believe in their numbers and the streetcar then man up and let an independent 3rd party come in and prove their ridership. That would be an excellent promotion for the streetcar if the numbers are even close. When they resist this call and others for an audit, they make themselves look weak.

Way past time to have an independent audit done of the streetcar. Nobody believes those phony ridership numbers and more importantly is Dave Johnson spending citizens money wisely? There have been reports that he leased three luxury apartments at One Power & Light with trolley money.

The city will probably claim there were 100,000 people at Irish Fest at Crown Center which would have been their biggest draw to the streetcar area. So maybe half their attendance parked their cars in city market and took the streetcar to Crown Center. Yeah, right.

7:55: We find your repeated accusations not worthy of response (NWOR). Also immature, ridiculous, and typical of some small-town rube trying to make his mark on a city that got along fine without him for a couple of centuries and would prefer that he just crawl back under his rock.

NO there was like 5 BILLION PEOPLE that weekend waiting to ride the toy train of Sly James, they were lined up clear to Australia and Syria waiting to ride this fine illusionary phony TOY TRAIN just ask any of the dimwits and nitwits at KCMO city hall,,,,,,,

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