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Apart from Kanto (where he should have reached Top 8 then and there if not for Zard), Ash has always lost to elite, senior trainers at the league. Cameron not only defeated him with one less Pokemon, but then Cameron gets owned 3-6 by Virgil. Think how bad that makes Ash look! I honestly never understood the need to nerf Ash in BW - at the rate he was going (Top 4 without reserves, Top 2 with reserves, Champion without reserves, Champions League/Elite 4?), the show would have been fine for another 4 generations with him as the protagonist. I remember how pumped I was for BW after the Sinnoh League, and now I feel the exact opposite. There was absolutely no need to have an Axew getting lost episode, and then take a break before airing this episode; we easily could have had two episodes to have shown a full battle between Ash and Virgil. Bad, lazy writing - I hope people overseas are just as pissed as we are.

"It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther...And then one fine morning -
So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past."

Apart from Kanto (where he should have reached Top 8 then and there if not for Zard), Ash has always lost to elite, senior trainers at the league. Cameron not only defeated him with one less Pokemon, but then Cameron gets owned 3-6 by Virgil. Think how bad that makes Ash look! I honestly never understood the need to nerf Ash in BW - at the rate he was going (Top 4 without reserves, Top 2 with reserves, Champion without reserves, Champions League/Elite 4?), the show would have been fine for another 4 generations with him as the protagonist. I remember how pumped I was for BW after the Sinnoh League, and now I feel the exact opposite. There was absolutely no need to have an Axew getting lost episode, and then take a break before airing this episode; we easily could have had two episodes to have shown a full battle between Ash and Virgil. Bad, lazy writing - I hope people overseas are just as pissed as we are.

I thought the League was the truly only awful thing about BW. The other complaints I honestly disagree with. If 2 things damaged BW for me, it was the handling of some of the rivals and the League. Those are really my only main complaints. Otherwise, I am enjoying BW and can't wait until Episode N.

I'm find with originality... but not when it's taken to the brink like Best Wishes. Ash vs Trip, while original, was a bad move. Where I was happy when Ash beat Gary and Paul, I didn't feel a thing when Ash beat Trip, there was no suspension because it was obvious that Ash would win the prelim round.

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"I already told you, I don't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while."~ Sonic the Hedgehog

We did not disrespect the anime or anything like that, we merely served some truth tea. There's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I found something new to "complain" about; Ash's attitude after losing to Cameron. Like, this is the fifth Pokemon League he's lost at, yet he seemed to be totally okay with it. That bothered me. I actually wanted Ash to be a sore loser for once because he's a kid and that would be natural. But no, he didn't seem to mind that his dream was put on hold once again. Please writers, can't you make Ash seem like a 10-year-old kid where it counts?

We did not disrespect the anime or anything like that, we merely served some truth tea. There's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I found something new to "complain" about; Ash's attitude after losing to Cameron. Like, this is the fifth Pokemon League he's lost at, yet he seemed to be totally okay with it. That bothered me. I actually wanted Ash to be a sore loser for once because he's a kid and that would be natural. But no, he didn't seem to mind that his dream was put on hold once again. Please writers, can't you make Ash seem like a 10-year-old kid where it counts?

He hasn't been upset about losing a League since Kanto. His reaction to losing the Unova League was nothing new.

Darmanitan, Mandibuzz, Cofagrigus, Leavanny, Galvantula, Druddigon, Heatmor, Seismitoad, Chandelure, Gigalith and.. whatever the 11th one was. That's along with his Deerling and Tranquill, giving him 13 Pokémon, of which 10 are confirmed to be fully evolved.

Learn from this guy Ash Ketchum. You may have laughed when you destroyed his Darumaka, but who's looking better now?

OR Playthrough - Currently In TrainingI don't really have the time or patience to focus on nature's and IV'S, I just play with what I'm handed..

Darmanitan, Mandibuzz, Cofagrigus, Leavanny, Galvantula, Druddigon, Heatmor, Seismitoad, Chandelure, Gigalith and.. whatever the 11th one was. That's along with his Deerling and Tranquill, giving him 13 Pokémon, of which 10 are confirmed to be fully evolved.

Learn from this guy Ash Ketchum. You may have laughed when you destroyed his Darumaka, but who's looking better now?

Virgil is looking better because he single handedly won the league with his Eeveeloutions.

Eeveelutions are cool and all, but for someone as random as our Lance-alike to pull out a huge team of beasts when he'd only previously appeared with a few mediocre Pokémon, that's something I like more. He deserved his place in the league for training up that much after the Don tourney. Plus he got a Dragon type. The Lance-alike got a Dragon type.. Just epic.

OR Playthrough - Currently In TrainingI don't really have the time or patience to focus on nature's and IV'S, I just play with what I'm handed..

He hasn't been upset about losing a League since Kanto. His reaction to losing the Unova League was nothing new.

That's what I'm saying. It's like the League doesn't even matter to him any more. He just isn't passionate about his goal, which makes me wonder why the writers even bother with the Leagues in the first place. The Unova League pretty much confirmed that even they've grown tired of this redundant pattern.

That's what I'm saying. It's like the League doesn't even matter to him any more. He just isn't passionate about his goal, which makes me wonder why the writers even bother with the Leagues in the first place. The Unova League pretty much confirmed that even they've grown tired of this redundant pattern.

I agree with you on all accounts. Ash should really be more devastated than he was after he lost the battle especially since he went backwards and lost a battle even though he had the numbers advantage. And Cameron should have been disqualified to me. If that happened me, I would be angry and ask why they allowed Cameron to continue.

We did not disrespect the anime or anything like that, we merely served some truth tea. There's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I found something new to "complain" about; Ash's attitude after losing to Cameron. Like, this is the fifth Pokemon League he's lost at, yet he seemed to be totally okay with it. That bothered me. I actually wanted Ash to be a sore loser for once because he's a kid and that would be natural. But no, he didn't seem to mind that his dream was put on hold once again. Please writers, can't you make Ash seem like a 10-year-old kid where it counts?

I feel like an ounce of depression came upon Ash, especially that moment when Lucario's attack overpowered Electroball. I agree 100% though that Ash should have showed more emotion, because I would have most definitely reacted that way, especially losing to someone like Kotetsu who only used 5 pokemon, and was lucky to have won because of Riolu evolving. Snivy pretty much was about to slay Riolu until it evolved... It just should have set up a comparable reaction to when May lost the Grand coordinator Cup, minus the crying?

Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate

With no legendaries being used this time, Ash could've won this league if he used his old pokemon.

Exactly what I thought as well. I am sure Infernape, or any fire pokemon could have taken out Lucario, even though Unfezant, being a flying pokemon should have had some ease as well.

Also, random point. I would have preferred to see Watchog get one shotted by Snivy or Unfezant, just so that one of them could have gotten a win. Oh well....

I feel like an ounce of depression came upon Ash, especially that moment when Lucario's attack overpowered Electroball. I agree 100% though that Ash should have showed more emotion, because I would have most definitely reacted that way, especially losing to someone like Kotetsu who only used 5 pokemon, and was lucky to have won because of Riolu evolving. Snivy pretty much was about to slay Riolu until it evolved... It just should have set up a comparable reaction to when May lost the Grand coordinator Cup, minus the crying?

He also showed emotion when Latios defeated Swellow but I mean yeah by now, Ash should be more upset after losing Leagues. It was the 5th League he lost, he lost with a numbers advantage, they let his opponent continue battling when he didn't bring a 6th Pokémon and he regressed in this League. All of those things should have made Ash way more upset than he was.

yeah i don't care if it's not the same thing since apparently an un-evolved pokemon can match a fully evolved pokemon in the anime, but no that's just bad writing. An un-evolved pokemon shouldn't even come close to matching a fully evolved pokemon especially in the league. This is the league for gods sake, not a don battle type match. There should be a level of difference here in the anime. God this is just one of many quirks i have with ash and this pathetic excuse of a league.

NOOO my poor snivy ...this episode just kinda made me hate my favorite fighting type a little...Lucario is good but in the hands of that idiot, it's like glorifying trash...I wanted lucario to just faint the whole battle...as for good points, let's see...the fact that they promoted flareon to finish lucario was cool considering how flareon's the worst eeveelution...trump card looked really cool...the recap montage was nice...Yeah I didn't like this episode...

I agree with you on all accounts. Ash should really be more devastated than he was after he lost the battle especially since he went backwards and lost a battle even though he had the numbers advantage. And Cameron should have been disqualified to me. If that happened me, I would be angry and ask why they allowed Cameron to continue.

The thing is it isn't like Cameron cheated.

So he had one less Pokémon, so what?

If he can take all of Ash's 6 Pokémon with just his 5, clearly he deserves to go further than Ash.

I mean I hated the battle, it horrible, and just seem like it was the writers shoving Ash under the bus, just because they were to lazy to come up with something better, but still, why be disqualified when you have one less Pokémon?

Should Tobias have been disqualified because he only used 2 Pokémon against Ash, or because he only used 1 Pokémon against everyone else?

I can't believe some people. Everyone was expecting Ash to cry after his what, fifth league loss? I'm sure Ash is probably dying inside right now but he probably doesn't have the time to sob. And if he were to, than people would be complaining about him crying like May and Dawn used to. I don't want to see people bash on characters for having emotion but I don't want to see them being emotional recks each time either.