I couldnt agree more. We have No Country!, all legal persons in this "Nation" are nothing more then slaves to the current corporate world
government. There is no way out of it. A corporation its not evil its just a tool. I am a corporation and as such I try to do as much as I can to help
my neighbors.

Spend your money in local moms and pops stores (corporations) around your neighborhood, and ask the store owner to do the same when its time to buy
supplies.

If u see the store owner buying bulk from some overseas corporation to bring down the cost, make sure to bring it to his attention.

Its really an uphill battle, because most people I know are so desperate that they will buy anything that its on sale, even if its only 1 dollar
cheaper they will buy something they have no idea where, how or with what cost to the environment it was build.

Try to explain to someone that they should inform themselves of the the process of production of each article they purchase. The answer I get is "I
dont have time for it, or the means for such an endeavor".

I think its time to count our losses and call it a day. People are so desperate that they are unconsciously selling their own children for a quick
fix.

TTPB have taken its time to develop the current system, they have studied, and domesticated the beast inside of us to fit their needs. Its a wonderful
system if you ask me, because it works, its implemented, it has worked for some time now. The fact that we are most certainly destroying mother earth
(an what little its left of so called humanity) in the process seems to be bothering only a small fraction of the world.

So, what does anyone do?
Overthrow the corps.
Start industry up again?
Become different corps and have it happen all over again.
The fundamental ideas need to change.
As long as we are spending money, on convenience instead of betterment, we will be subservient to the last.
Vicious cycle.

Imagine, if everyone had to grow their own food, supply their own shelter, provide their own energy, raise their own family, provide education,
improvise transportation, treat the minor sick on their own, barter for goods and services, and govern themselves, all while making use of and having
access to the most modern technology, medicine, equipment and educational materials all free of charge.

Way the hell off, when we can barely do without hot-pockets and American idol.

Imagine, if everyone had to grow their own food, supply their own shelter, provide their own energy, raise their own family, provide education,
improvise transportation, treat the minor sick on their own, barter for goods and services, and govern themselves, all while making use of and having
access to the most modern technology, medicine, equipment and educational materials all free of charge.

Way the hell off, when we can barely do without hot-pockets and American idol.

I live in NY and here a basic cable subscription costs around 69.99 a month thats 800 something dollars a year. I stop paying subscription cable
about 2 years ago dont miss it. I get my news online and on a local commercial free radio station to which I pledge yearly. I go to my local food
markets, and avoid the big chains supermarkets, I stopped using big fast food chains and restaurants, I stop working for a big corporation and created
one working with my family. At our corporation I focus to provide a quality service not on increasing the profit margin. And i basically barter for
the rest of my needs, except some things like internet service, energy service, among other few necessities that are basically monopolized by certain
local corporations. (those people should battle in court).

Its not as effective as I thought it would be but I can only do what I feel its right. I wish more people would try this but I can not even convince
some of my family members to do the same. They are too afraid of change, to desperate to make any other choice or refuse to see the importance of
fighting this fight, and believe me it is a fight. One within ourselves.

You have been misled and brainwashed by an endless parade of mainstream media communist detractors as to the ultimate real cause of our problems.

Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.

The "rights" that have been conferred to corporations are no different than the rights an individual enjoys - because a group of individuals has
exactly the same inherent rights as a single individual.

The problem can be summed up in one word: Government.

Government:

-Is responsible for 40% of the nation's annual spending. If you are a politically connected corporation, you get a cut of the loot. If you're not,
tough cookies.

-Is responsible for limiting access to resources by placing all manner of restrictions on what people can do with their own private property.
Government then leases public land to mega-corporations like BP so they can take the resources without facing competition from startups.

-Is responsible for bailing out failed corporations. Make a crappy product? Uncle Sam will bail you out if you know the right people. The market
would punish you, but government will protect you.

-Is responsible for debasing the currency. Those who get the new money first get the most benefit.

-Is responsible for creating all manner of regulations to prevent competition. The massive burden of government regulations are lobbied for by
mega-corporations because they prevent start-up competition.

When I was a kid I remember learning in school that the Vietnam war was waged to protect the interest of the United States. I often wondered what
exactly was our interest there. Then I learned about the corporations that invested all over the world called multi-nationals.

It seems that what was good for these multi-national corporations had become our business to protect with our blood and treasure. The problem was
obvious to me even at a young age. That of them being multi-national corporations since they were not beholding to any single nation state maybe they
have priorities that are counter to the people's business. The people went on thinking that what was good for US corporations was good for the state
and for the people in turn.

The problem with that thinking is that these corporations are truly multinational so they are helped by easing trade restrictions between states where
they do business. It does not help the people of any of those nations in fact and only helps these multinational corps. Sure you can own some stock in
them but you can not take control of them. Your vote is not much in the grand scheme of things in the end either way.

That is the brutal reality of things. Knowing how screwed you are does not help you that much but at least you know what happened I guess.

Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.

The exact same thing could be said of the government.

Corporations and government share in the common the fact that they are structured hierarchies of power, much like the church in the past. All are
means to simply achieve power through capital and influence. Nothing more, nothing less.

What separates the corporation from the government is that a corporation isn't run democratically, and is essentially a small-scale model of a
dictatorship. When going to work in the common conception of the workplace, one signs away their rights to the bosses, and the bosses of those bosses.

I'm also surprised you didn't jump to point out that corporations are government inventions, or that the corporate charter is a government
sanctioned monopoly. Thus, corporations are impending your sacred free market.

If the children and teenagers that attend schools are able to buy products at their breaks then they're able to purchase the items out of school.
The children and teenagers that attend schools are able to buy products at their breaks.
Therefore, they're able to purchase the items out of school.

The majority of the population will buy main brands.

If you don't buy from a main brand then be considered a cheap low class citizen.

A real free market cannot exist in a monopolistic system...which is what we have now!!!! No anti-trust laws enforced....2 percent tariffs on
imports....THIS IS NOT FREE MARKET. This is the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN FREE MARKETS. In a free market...a small business should be able to
compete...but they can't....they are losing...WE are losing...which means THIS WHOLE COUNTRY IS LOSING.

Don't small businesses have the right to compete?????

Small businesses pull this country out of recessions....but right now they can't because they can't compete with SLAVE LABOR!!!!!!

The greatest irony of all this is the fact that we are engaged in 'free trade' with China... a modern, state capitalist economy that is borrowing
from pre-Woodrow Wilson AMERICA IN ITS ECONOMIC DESIGNS. Friedrich List most certainly influenced Deng Xiaoping, and these ideas have built China into
a financial powerhouse that it is today. Why is the World Bank, IMF and WTO not working hand in hand with third world governments in establishing
these policies to build themselves out of poverty? Because a third world free from western neo-colonialism is a third world free of sweatshops, free
trade zones, and Western-backed dictatorships that allow corporations to suck up natural resources.

The second greatest irony is that Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, contrary to Glenn Beck and other pseudo-NeoCon talking heads, actually
moved America into a free market direction, as opposed to the great, red shadow of 'socialism'. And part of both Teddy Roosevelt's 'New
Nationalism' and Wilson's 'New Freedom' programs was the splintering of corporations through regulation and anti-trust laws to allow for small,
American business to compete properly in the marketplace. If for no other reason, these are beliefs that these progressive figures are to be applauded
for.

Suppose you go to Washington and try to get at your government. You will always find that while you are politely listened to, the men really
consulted are the men who have the biggest stake,—the big bankers, the big manufacturers, the big masters of commerce, the heads of railroad
corporations and of steamship corporations. I have no objection to these men being consulted, because they also, though they do not themselves seem to
admit it, are part of the people of the United States. But I do very seriously object to these gentlemen being chiefly consulted, and particularly to
their being exclusively consulted, for, if the government of the United States is to do the right thing by the people of the United States, it has got
to do it directly and not through the intermediation of these gentlemen. Every time it has come to a critical question these gentlemen have been
yielded to, and their demands have been treated as the demands that should be followed as a matter of course.

Are you serious?
IF you think that those in government are not the very same people that were the heads of those corps, look again, and see he true enemy.
They are on in the same.
Interchangeable government and corporations.
You see what they allow you to see, or just don't give a crap about because no one can stop them.

Yes, the creation of the corporation has allowed for "great" things to be accomplished, its a result driven environment were groups of people can
focus together on a common goal. This is very broad. What the Op its talking about its the idea that most of todays corporations put MONEY OVER
A HUMAN LIFE.

You have been misled and brainwashed by an endless parade of mainstream media communist detractors as to the ultimate real cause of our
problems.

Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.

Still the point is money over human life, it may seem like voluntary for the western world citizen, but not for the sweatshops employees in Indonesia
or any Latin American country. Or at least that is what I gather from my research. I think the OP its referring to mostly multinational
corporations who have a certain monopoly on the way certain goods are delivered to the market.

The "rights" that have been conferred to corporations are no different than the rights an individual enjoys - because a group of individuals
has exactly the same inherent rights as a single individual.

Rights, yes. However they dont have the same responsibilities, if they did they would take care of their employees kind of like the same way A group
of individuals with a common goal would look after each other; understanding that the goal could be reach more effectively with the cooperation of all
those involved. But its that really the mantra of todays multinationals?

1706 pages of highly technical legal mumbo-jumbo that accomplishes exactly NOTHING of benefit to the average American.

Who do you think writes these bills?

Corporate lobbyists write these bills that's who.

These bills are WRITTEN by the financial industry.

Corporations are NOTHING without government.

NOTHING!

The blame should be placed strictly on government, because without government, corporations would not be the vampire squid they are today.

Corporations use the power of government to circumvent the market.

The market attempts to punish bad corporations by putting them out of business.

Government stops that punishment from taking place.

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I see your point, although I think the fact that Government has been Hijacked by big corporations, makes it, hard to differentiate them. But
Government IMO its supposed to supply the balancing force between The Economy (this brotherhood of multinationals) and the Culture of the people ( the
freedom to express themselves as they see fit). Something the Government has not done in quite a while, now.

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