When Iran Talks Back

Posted on Feb 19, 2012

Amid warnings by a British official of a Middle Eastern cold war and CNN commentator Erin Burnett’s anti-Iranian scaremongering, author Matt Taibbi hears the drums of war beating in the airwaves. But a global standoff isn’t the only thing to be feared; a public that unquestioningly acquiesces to the prejudices of conventional wisdom is just as dangerous. —ARK

Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone:

There’s a weird set of internalized assumptions that media members bring to stories like this Iran business. In fact there’s an elaborate belief system we press people adhere to, about how a foreign country may behave toward the U.S., and how it may not behave. It reminds me a little of a passage in Anna Karenina about the belief system of noblemen in Tolstoy’s day:

Vronsky’s life was particularly happy in that he had a code of principles, which defined with unfailing certitude what he ought and what he ought not to do… These principles laid down as invisible rules: that one must pay a cardsharper, but need not pay a tailor; that one must never lie to a man, but one may lie to a woman; that one must never cheat anyone, but one may a husband; that one must never pardon an insult, but one may give one, and so on.

We have a similar gentleman’s code, a “Westernized industrial power” code if you will, that operates the same way. In other words, our newspapers and TV stations may blather on a thousand times a day about attacking Iran and bombing its people, but if even one Iranian talks about fighting back, he is being “aggressive” and “threatening”; we can impose sanctions on anyone, but if the sanctioned country embargoes oil shipments to Europe in response, it’s being “belligerent,” and so on.

Cliff-good to see that you’re linking to a site that
quotes Foster Dulees, a disasterously bad Secretary of
State and the chief enthusiast for the coup against
Mossadegh, the very fool that foisted it upon
Eisenhower after Truman and Rusk had refused to
authorize it and had warned that it would be a fiasco.

Gen. Dempsey denounced a strike on Iran in the near future as
“destabilizing” and “not prudent” over the weekend while speaking to
CNN in regards to America and Israel’s effort to prevent Tehran from
developing a nuclear warhead. Israel Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu
has now addressed that statement himself, calling into question the US
official’s intentions.

Netanyahu is now suggesting that the US is adopting policies that will
favor Iran, and not their historical ally: Israel.

McCain sides with Netanyahu against top US general

U.S. Senator John McCain speaks during a news conference in Tripoli
February 22, 2012 (Reuters / Anis Mili)

When Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu charged US General Martin
Dempsey as a puppet of Iran this week, two top-ranking US lawmakers
were also visiting abroad.

Neither Senators John McCain nor Lindsey Graham came to refute those
claims, however.

Responding to US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Martin
Dempsey’s reasoning that a strike on Iran would be“destabilizing” for
peace talks and “not prudent” for America’s efforts, PM Binyamin
Netanyahu critiqued the respected military official this week as unwilling
to aid the allied Israel.

Dempsey’s comments, said the prime minister, “served the Iranians” and
would only worsen international relations when all parties are attempting
a resolution for the conflict.

Israel and neighboring Iran are currently at odds, and some members of
the American intelligence community are concerned that Tehran could be
working towards procuring a nuclear warhead. President Obama has
publically expressed resolving the matter with words, to which Israel has
charged him with being “hesitant” and have hinted at attacking their
enemy themselves.

Over the weekend, Gen. Dempsey added that a US-led attack would not
resolve the matter and said that an immediate strike “wouldn’t achieve
their long-term objectives.”

Netanyahu was fast to come down on Dempsey from Israel. Also on
location, however, were Senators McCain and Graham, who were quick to
comment on the back-and-forth, all while failing to come to the defense
of the general.

Siding separately from Dempsey, McCain told reporters in Jerusalem on
Tuesday that “There should be no daylight between America and Israel in
our assessment of the [Iranian] threat.”
“Unfortunately there clearly is some,” added the Senator.

The remarks came only hours after the senator sat down with Netanyahu,
who just earlier had called Dempsey a servant of Iran.

McCain added that the differences between how Washington and
Jerusalem view Iran has caused “significant tension,” and according to
the senator, “there is very little doubt that Iran has so far been
undeterred to get nuclear weapons.” As rumors abound, however, there
has yet to be any confirmation as to the progress of the alleged nuke
procurement.

Responding to the disagreement between allies, McCain said, “obviously
it’s not helpful if there is a well-publicized tension between the US and
Israel. We would like to see the United States and Israel agree on course
of action that will lead us toward a goal we both share.” Although the US
has not taken Israel’s heed to hit Iran yet, Washington currently
contributes around $3 billion annually to Jerusalem.

When Senator Lindsey Graham was asked for his input, he remarked from
overseas “I admire General Dempsey,” but was reluctant to defend his
allegation of a strike be destabilizing. “People are giving Israel a lot of
advice here lately from America,” said Graham. “I just want to tell our
Israeli friends that my advice to you is never lose control of your destiny.
Never allow a situation to develop that would destroy the Jewish state.”

Calm yourself. I asked for proof of the Saudi denial. You ultimately did that. The Saudi State news agency denied the statement after two sources from diplomatic and military circles confirmed it to be true. - My reply about the CIA controlled media was intended as humor and a shout-out to PHimmler and blogdog.

The second link you shared was in regard to a Saudi denial that King Abdullah made his statement to President Obama. That, Cliff, was news to me as that was not what Georges Malbrunot reported.

You appear to be going to terrific lengths in avoidance of answering a single and direct question. - Do you or not believe Iran has not attacked another country in the past 200 years?

As a preemption, or rather in anticipation of your reply, keep in mind there is no need for me to prove Iran has invaded another country because (as you misread) that was never my question.

By IMax, February 24 at 3:14 am Link to this comment
“My how you go on, Cliff.”
“So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist. That’s interesting. I had no idea that was ever at issue.”

Imax, your response demonstrates exactly what I have been writing concerning your disregard for the truth. This seems to have all started with a statement to you about what you reported King Abdullah was reported to have said. My response was: “Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”

The following is a chronology of our communication beginning with your original statement.

Imax: February 20 at 9:37 am statement
To: Cliff Carson,
” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

Bringing this response from you:
By IMax, February 22 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment
Cliff, - ‘Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.”
“If that be true please prove it. Otherwise I have, what appears to be, a solid quote from the King of Saudi Arabia from a solid source.”

To which I replied:
Cliff Carson, February 22 at 6:54 pm
“IMax give a link to your source and I will go read it.”

And your reply ( abridged):
IMax, February 22 at 7:19 pm
Cliff Carson,
You are too much, Cliff. You jump in and announce how wrong I am and offer nothing in refute. You then nearly demand I back up my every word.
I believe you searched my quote of the Saudi King and found roughly 10,700 results (0.27 seconds) and didn’t know how to begin to refute the quote.
I have no chance against such dishonesty. I’ll not even try. Either directly address my questions or tell us you don’t have the answers.
From me you’ll get precisely the respect you offer.

Your response ( abridged):
IMax, February 24 at 3:14 am
“So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist. That’s interesting. I had no idea that was ever at issue.”

Imax,You ending statement floored me:
“I had no idea that was ever at issue.”
The hell you say! You are the one who started this crap.

I went thru this BS exercise to prove what an insane approach you present relating to what is said and how you seem to perceive it. You are sick between the ears madam.

I also have Iranian family members, as you claim your Husband is Iranian. They think life could be better than it currently is, but they think much of the blame lies with United States Hegemony and its incessant actions to provoke a war. They, as I do, believe it is a vicious attempt to dominate the Middle East and yep - take charge of the Oil and Gas.

Omop had already copy and pasted parts of that article on this thread. It’s unfortunate that omop attempted to pass it off as his or her own.

BTW; I’ve never advocated attacking Iran. I advocated a discussion of the many reason why Iran’s closest neighbors fear Iran as a nuclear weapons state. A discussion you refuse to participate in as it would only prove to distract from your reason for breathing here.

I asked a direct question. Do you believe Iran has not attacked another country in 200 years? Is there an answer anywhere in our future?

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So, you found a report in an Israeli publication stating how the King of Saudi Arabia denies telling President Obama that Iran and Israel had no right to exist. That’s interesting. I had no idea that was ever at issue.

I thank you for the article, however. You’ll see how that report supports some of what I have written here.

”King Abdullah has said he is concerned by the growing nuclear threat posed by IRAN. As a Persian and not an Arab country, Iran is not part of the Arab League, is distrusted by most Muslim states in the region, and threatens to become the dominant power in the Muslim world.”

“Saudi Arabia does not recognize Israel, and distances itself from any association with Israel officials or even shaking hands with them. The Saudi 2002 Initiative calls on Israel to surrender all of the land restored to the country in the Six Day War in 1967, in return for normalization of relations with the Arab world. There is no specific mention of recognizing Israel as a country.”

Of course Mr. Himmler will claim none of it can be true seeing how it was reported in a Juden publication. A publication, I should add, I had not previously seen.

Thanks again for the assistance. How about that question I asked days ago? Any answer coming soon?

IMax, I give you an Israeli media report of the Denial this time. This report also says that the Saudi Government denied any such statement. My original statement to you was “Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.” Your lying eyes must have misled you or, possibly it was just mischievous tinkering by you.

You know what I said, you can look it up on this thread if you have forgotten, you can also look up one of the other replies to you where I spelled out exactly what I am saying here although this time I am using an Israeli report of the denial.

I never said the story was true because I don’t know whether it is or not, I just gave you the report. I know that unless you were at that meeting , neither do you.

I said that the story was hearsay but you must have been uninterested in what was written. I mentioned that since the reporter wasn’t at the meeting and he heard the story from a third party, who was also not at the meeting, the initial report that the King said Israel and Iran did not deserve to exist must be just hearsay.

Since the King and his visitor were meeting in private, I also said the verification by the Newspaper had to be a hearsay source.

But you have been a total ass in your replies and your revisionist reports of what I and others write . The fact that you can go back and see what was actually written, but don’t, reveals your character and it seems that making a fool of yourself does not to deter you from “spinning”. Spin is a form of lie as you should know from your cavalier attitude about truth.

Your supporting link defines that only after 1920 and the Askenazi immigration.

Your adding the “second-class citizens w/o legal rights or recourse to courts of laws for redress of injuries done to them” caveat is subjective and the same can be said of the Palestinians today living in the occupied territories under the jewish thumb.

Non Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs have lived together peaceably for thousands of years and the minority jewish population were regarded as a ‘protected minority’ as ‘people of the book’.

the Jews and Arabs in palestine got on for several centuries with the Jews enjoying
all the benefits of being second-class citizens w/o legal rights or recourse to
courts of laws for redress of injuries done to them.

it was only after the Balfour Declaration that Arabs got idginant at the idea that
change was going to come and didn’t start murdering jews until 1920.

Israel has only been around for 63 years, prior to that the jews and muslims got along rather peaceably. In those 63 years Israel has managed to piss off all it’s neighbors and be voted by the UN as the greatest threat to world peace.

If you are going to fault Iran as you have then by your own admission admitted Israel sucks as well. At least It’s a start.

Wow. You actually addressed a question head-on. “Now you need to go ask for (corporate shill, Benjamin Birnbaum’s) sources since it appears what he is reporting is hearsay; Lord you are eaten alive with ignorant.”

This is where I first became aware of King Abdullah’s sentiment toward both Iran and Israel.

“The scoop comes from Georges Malbrunot, a French journalist with Le Figaro. Malbrunot, a respected Middle East correspondent who spent four months as a hostage of the Islamic Army in Iraq, goes on to report that two sources, from diplomatic and military circles, have confirmed the story. He suggests that the anger directed as Israel was the result of the IDF raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla, which occurred just days before this outburst.”

I asked you to prove the denial (preferably in Arabic). Not quote from the “CIA controlled corporate media”, idiot. LMAO

Blogdog, here is where I made a statement about the King’s statement and the Iran invasions. You can see what I wrote and you can also see by reading thru this thread how my statement has been mis-represented by IMax and cohorts. This is nothing unusual.

My link for the History of Iran Wars begins a few thousand years ago and comes forward. Why I excluded the Russian wars in the 200 years statement is because I knew that un-named Trolls would use the 1800’s attempts of Iran to regain territory taken from them in the 1700’s as a refutation of the 200 year statement. As you read below this you will see that I made the exception with my original statement. And you can go there and read it to verify what I have said. As to links I have placed, you can find where I entered them by going thru the thread.
If you can’t find them let me know and I will find them for you. Going to the original post:

By Cliff Carson, February 20 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

By IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

IMax, February 20 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

To: Cliff Carson,

” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.

I asked you earlier in this thread to provide links to the proof that Iran has invaded another Country in the last 200 years. I disregard the conflicts with Russia around 1810 or so since Russia was in Iran previous territory because it had invaded Iran.

“Saudi Arabia denied reports Friday that King Abdullah had said in private that “two states in the region do not deserve to exist: Israel and Iran.”

This is what I said to you: That Saudi Arabia has denied it. Go read my post.

I think what you are referring to is a statement by a French Journalist:

“The scoop comes from Georges Malbrunot, a French journalist with Le Figaro. Malbrunot, a respected Middle East correspondent who spent four months as a hostage of the Islamic Army in Iraq, goes on to report that two sources, from diplomatic and military circles, have confirmed the story.”

You need to ask Georges Malbrunot for his sources since it appears what he is reporting is hearsay; Lord you are eaten alive with ignorant. You should know by now that when I state something I always have a Link to back it up. It is you that doesn’t show links, you call for links then whine like a little kid that the link doesn’t say what you want it to say.

I understand the IAEA has uncovered no conclusive evidence that Israel has a nuclear weapons program. I understand the very real possibility Israel has used a policy of ambiguity as its main deterrent from the proven threats which surround this tiny state.

With that said; I believe Israel likely possess nuclear weapons or, at the very least, the no less important breakout capabilities.

Yes, I believe Israel possesses nuclear weapons. Interestingly enough, as it turns out, it is only when Iraq, Syria, or Iran begins to near those same capabilities do nations such as Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE publicly promise a great race for their own.

The article notes Erin Burnett seemingly shilling for war with Iran. This should be no surprise, she is a member of the Council on foreign Relations, a One World Government organization. The overview plan of the CFR is to manage the World (Financially and Politically) for the benefit of its members. That includes fomenting wars of profit and positions of World Power.

This organization is the most powerful,IMO,of the groups that form the 1% and actually run the United states.

She is a shill for the New World Order and that is why she is a Media personality. Keep in mind that she was brought thru the Financial World of the Wall Street gang. One of her previous gigs was attacking “Occupy Wall Street”.

Some of her cohorts are active on this very thread.
Anyone want to guess who they are?

The issue of Israels right to exist isn’t a problem with most countries, its right to exist as a Jewish state is, that is the non starter.

Its apartheid, pure and simple. Unequal rights based on religion or culture is not a democracy.

For once I agree with you tic, Pollard sold secrets to Israel (for money) and Israel sold them to Russia and China where at least 8 undercover operatives lost their lives. The secrets the Israelis didn’t sell were stolen by Russian moles inside Israel’s intelligence apparatus.

Your hate of the Juden will almost certainly lead us to war. Israel will likely not allow inspections or reductions of nuclear weapons or facilities until you and your ilk recognize and reconcile with Israel’s right to exist. Congratulations, you’ve created a stalemate rooted in hate.

mop—- Israel long had nukes of their own and all the technical knowledge that
they needed before Pollard gave them information about Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and
Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities

We all should ask IMAX since she claimed she is married to an Iranian
whether the following facts are true or not about present day Iran…

‘Anti-Semitism is not an eastern phenomenon, it’s not an Islamic or
Iranian phenomenon – anti-Semitism is a European phenomenon,’
Ciamak Morsathegh, head of the Jewish hospital in Tehran, explained.

Iran’s forty synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools, haven’t
been touched. Neither has the Jewish library, which boasts twenty
thousand titles, or Jewish hospitals and cemeteries. Still, Iran’s Jews have
not sat idly by.

The Jewish member of the Iranian Majlis, or parliament (most religious
minorities are guaranteed a seat in the parliament), Maurice Mohtamed,
has been outspoken in his condemnation of Ahmadinejad’s comments.”

In 1855 Persia attacked Afghanistan (formerly Persia} and occupied Herat for the 3rd time since 1816. I know it is within the 200 year timeline but hey, Herat must be a happening place.”

PatrickHenry, The History Guy is a High School Teacher who does delve into history about wars but if you want a really in-depth reading of the continuous ( sporadic to be more concise) back and forth between Russia and Iran, I think you will find that all that came about from Russian dispossession of Iran from part of their territory
originating from invasions from Russia and its allies over years.

The wars that continued for over a hundred years was the result of Iran trying to regain their territory.

That is why I don’t count those incursions as Iran invading anyone, they are only returning to try to regain what was taken from them by force.

As to IMax and Hetero, they remind me of when IMax and Inherit the Wind, GRYM, and a few others used the pact mentality to try and browbeat people.

They have been active on several sites that I have been on and their behavior has always been just like it is here.

doesn’t work, Patty…. the Gulf Arabs aren’t
owned by the US and the Saudis (who actually are
about as fucked-up as the Iranians) use our
protection whenit suits them and continue to resist
our efforts to get them to give up their centuries-
old preaching of Wahhabism.

it was worth a try on your part, but you don’t have
the ability to go more than an inch deep

Why is Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE often the nations screaming the loudest in regards to Iranian agents causing “mischief”. Prove to everyone here that these neighboring Arab nations to Iran are, in reality, “Zionist media parrots”.

The Saudis claim that Iran was involved in the Khobar Tower bombing - a clear attack an another nation. This, according to your view of the world, is the result of a “Zionist” media plot? You will now somehow prove that, I’m sure. You will prove that this is not a result of your overactive imagination born of hatred.

“Accusations of Iranian agents causing mischief are nothing more than that, accusations. Trumpeted by zionist media and parrots like you and brought to you by the creators of the WMD’s in Iraq.”

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Heinrich,

Now you’ll go about proving how your opinions on that subject are correct, I’m sure. You will prove your words are not merely the result of hatred for Jews.

I’d like to suggest you begin by explaining why Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE are often the nations screaming the loudest regarding “Iranian agents causing mischief”. You will prove to everyone here that these neighboring Arab nations to Iran are, in reality, “Zionist media parrots”.

Cutting through the crap has been my point from the start. Let us see this for what it so obviously is. A global issue. And what is that issue?

- There is but one nation which supports Iran becoming a nuclear weapon state, Syria. All others are adamantly opposed. This includes Russia, China, France, Britain, Germany, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and every nation which surrounds Iran, both near and far. This is very nearly unanimous.

- The neo-conservative theocracy of Iran appears determined to achieve what nearly the entire world, particularly Iran’s closest neighbors, is determined to prevent. That is an Iran with nuclear weapons capabilities.

- Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE and even Turkey (Iran’s closest trading partner) have stated their very real fear of a nuclear weapons race if Iran becomes a “nuclear power”. The Saudi’s, the Egyptians, and the Jordanians have already publicly stated their intention to begin their own nuclear weapons programs if Iran were to succeed.

- Iran appears to believe, with good cause I would add, that becoming a nuclear weapon state would give it both stature and protection. The Iranian government seems determined to proceed.

These are the global issues laid bare. I have yet to see one person here deal with these fundamental issues or present a single possible solution. These threads, throughout this entire site, are full to the brim with a single topic. U.S. foreign and domestic policy. It’s only in the United States I have seen this phenomena.

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I pine for broomsticks up people’s derriers? I fear brown men with beards? How do you come up with such things? Do you think like that? LOL

Sounds like your pining for the days the SAVAk pushed broomsticks up
people’s derriers…..

Here’s several observations about ur favorite topic IRAN.

1. Iran has threatened to fight back if attacked, and that’s a war crime.
War crimes must be punished.

2. My television says Iran has nukes. I’m sure it’s true this time. Just like
with North Korea. I’m sure they’re next. We only bomb places that really
truly have nukes and are in the Axis of Evil. Except Iraq, which was
different.

3. Iraq didn’t go so badly. Considering how lousy its government is, the
place is better off with so many people having left or died. Really, that
one couldn’t have worked out better if we’d planned it.

4. When we threaten to cut off Iran’s oil, Iran threatens to cut off Iran’s
oil, which is absolutely intolerable. What would we do without that oil?
And what good is buying it if they want to sell it?

5. Iran was secretly behind 9-11. I read it online. And if it wasn’t, that’s
worse. Iran hasn’t attacked another nation in centuries, which means its
next attack is guaranteed to be coming very soon.

6. Iranians are religious nuts, unlike Israelis and Americans. Most
Israelis don’t want to attack Iran, but the Holy Israeli government does.
To oppose that decision would be to sin against God.

7. Iranians are so stupid that when we murder their scientists they try to
hire a car dealer in Texas to hire a drug gang in Mexico to murder a
Saudi ambassador in Washington, and then they don’t do it—just to
make us look bad for catching them.

7. b. Oh, and stupid people should be bombed. They’re not civilized.

8. War is good for the U.S. economy, and the Iranian economy too.
Troops stationed in Iran would buy stuff. And women who survived the
war would have more rights. Like in Virginia. We owe Iranians this after
that little mishap in 1953.

9. This is the only way to unite the region. Either we bomb Iran and it
swears its eternal love to us. Or, if necessary, we occupy Iran to liberate
it like its neighbors. Which shouldn’t take long. Look how well
Afghanistan is going already.

My views are indicative of someone who is afraid of brown men with beards? Is that the best you can imagine? Is it really as simple as that? You’re not capable of imagining anything else? Consider for a moment that it may be you who is frightened and terrifically limiting your scope.

My Husband is Persian. Nearly his entire family reside in Iran. I know the language and I know the culture. Now try and imagine other, much wider, reasons I speak of the Islamic Republic of Iran as I do.

Here’s an interesting observation from my perspective. Nearly everyone on this “progressive” web site mimics the views and statements of the most conservative theological leaders in Iran today. It’s as if you’ll all turn your backs to progressive thinkers in Iran so that you can continue your hate of Israel and disdain for U.S. foreign policy.

Here’s another observation. When my husband lived only in Iran he believed his most active enemy was Israel. Now that he’s out from under the Iranian “news” agencies he believes Iran’s most active enemy resides in Riyadh. He also believes the best friend the Iranian people have in the world reside in Washington D.C.. Imagine that, if you are able.

No not really… more distortions…violence can always be used to justify more
violence…thats your point. Justifying violence, without any compassion for the
victims of that violence, and the innocents that have been killed.

The subject here is Iran. But of course, like every other thread on this site, the only subject discussed here covers the United States and Israel. As far as I can tell it matters not where in the world or the nations involved. The subject here never changes.

Did you see what took place in New Delhi recently? - No, but I saw what the Israelis did in Sacramento in 1953. Did you happen to catch events in Georgia a few weeks ago? - What, Jews attacked Savannah?

A state of open hostilities exists between Iran, and this country it has for some
time. With this countries political apparatus attempting to destroy the Iranian
government by any means necessary.

The Iran Iraq war was just such an attempt. Using our political tool, Saddam. Both
sides lost many millions killed. Iran was the clear victor. Then also we supplied
Saddam with poison gas which he used against the Kurds, which in itself was a war
crime.

Then we turned around and dumped Saddam, even when he offered to leave the
country to avoid a war. Because it was useful for us to do so.

Currently, our government with it’s allies is financing and training terrorists to
work inside Iran, including the killing of Iranian scientists. Thats right we and our
allies are funding and training terrorists. We are also using Al Caeda, in Syria.

What happened to the war on Terror? How can we win the war on Terror when we
are at least partly responsible for creating terrorists?

So why would we be surprised and outraged if Iran were to do likewise. Because
we are not interested in the truth only in justifying our aggression.

Then there was the joint chiefs assessment of Iran’s nuclear capabilities, that
indicated that Iran was not attempting to develop nuclear weapons, that was
ignored by the senate. And since Iran is a signatory to the nuclear non
proliferation treaty, it has a right to enrich Uranium, as do all of the signatories to
that treaty.

The continued counter intelligence and war mongering, by paid shills is to be
expected. Their paranoid, use of half truths and misdirection is necessary to
create fear and suspicion to further justify, the loss of freedoms in this country
and the fascism they so desire.

As Matt Tabbi pointed out in his post, the same drum beat of lies, and distortions
that led to our disastrous attack on Iraq, is occurring now toward Iran. This time
however, it is more difficult to manipulate and distort things to those ends,
because the people of this country have become more aware of their tactics.
Consequently this has resulted in more transparent attempts at distortion.

The one per centers and their government are criminally insane, they are bent on
destroying Iran, they have been from the beginning. They don’t really care what
the consequences are, or who they have to murder to get there. Yes, bullies
usually are surprised when their intended victims stand up for themselves. Their
outrage is a result of their narcissism.

Using peaceful means, and reconciliation with Iran, their regime would fade away
in time. Unfortunately, when your dealing with a mental disorder on the part of
our political apparatus and our allies, only violence will do. They want bloody
revenge against the Iranians, for not doing as their told by us, and that’s all this is
about.

Straight from le cheval’s mouth…. ‘We possess several hundred atomic
warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions,
perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.’

Seriously? You know of no Iranian aggression anywhere in the world over the last 200 years? I find that absolutely incredible. One would need to willfully turn one’s back every few weeks to be so unaware.

But then the reality is that discussing these matters with you is not so simple, is it? I know from past conversations how you’re already aware of Iranian rockets used against Israel. You’re already aware of the decades long aggression between Saudis Arabia and Iran. You’re already aware of the decades long aggression between Iran and Iraq. We’ve discussed the tensions and back and forth hostilities between Jordan and Iran. You’re also claiming (I would say pretending) not to know anything of Khobar Towers.

How about the past five or so weeks? Examples such as New Delhi, Georgia, Bangkok and Washington - No I’ll not post links. You wish to know what I’m referring to? Look these things up yourself - New Delhi, Georgia, Bangkok and Washington.

I see you, Heinrich. I see your lies, contortions, and over-the-top excuses. This is one individual you haven’t fooled.

usually not… unless I’m being baited about my ‘beliefs’ - again, who cares what
I ‘believe’ and what difference does it make?
My point, anus breath, is in how Webster Tarpley believes the same “false flag”
operations at play in Iran are responsible for the “Global Warming” hoax. I
disagree.

so, anus breath (?) is that the way you talk to people? thanks for fianlly
making your point, which is terribly confused over Tarpley’s positions.

Yeah, he has his position on ‘global warming’ - and from what I’ve seen, the joury is out.

Conflaiting his position on Global Warming with his position on False Flags is
nonsensical - moreover, there is nothing that compells me to agree with
absolutely every position taken by an insightful analyst

I’m now finished with you. You are far too much of an ass and life is too
short to willingly subject myself to people like you. I’ll hope good things for
you.

as you wish - you are not subjecting yourself to anything here - take it easy -
it’s just a bloody blog - where belief-based polemic is BS

as for assessing my ‘character’ (e.g. ...an ass…) - since
you don’t even know me, what does that say about you?

thanks for the good wishes, as passive aggressive as it sounds…
doesn’t quite jibe with anus breath

Get it straight guys. Khomeini didn’t create the Iran of today. The west did, by overthrowing Mosadek
in ‘53 and putting the Shah in power. Savak was worse
than the Stazi, KGB and Hitler’s Gestapo ever could have been.

” I believe there’s a reason why, in June 2010, King Abdullah stated “there are two countries in the world that do not deserve to exist: Iran and Israel.”

Imax, Saudi Arabia has denied that story.

I asked you earlier in this thread to provide links to the proof that Iran has invaded another Country in the last 200 years. I disregard the conflicts with Russia around 1810 or so since Russia was in Iran previous territory because it had invaded Iran.

Thank you Matt Taibbi. The manufactured threats we here about daily are disgusting. The belief that Iran wants to start WWIII is totally preposterous. They are, after all, humans like we are. They have families and loved ones. They work and play just like we do. This world is going to hell in a handbasket all over an empirical government run by corporate morons that have never held a rifle. We seriously need to wake up to this tyranny and overturn it before it is too late. Once we pass the tipping point, it will be very difficult to turn it back, if at all.