Screamed out that you FE is better because it will have, key word WILL HAVE a specific feature, that hasn't even been put in yet.

New rule from now on....when you post in any thread i'm part of either say something of substance or your getting ignored. If your going to make statements like that at least provide a concrete example!! Statements like "you lie about features" and "OM doesn't have any of the features that cf has" are just baseless and inflammatory.

Originally Posted by tripzero

There's something to say about efficiency when a single application is larger and does less than an entire OS...

I couldn't agree more! Hijack seemed to have missed a fundamental concept..bloated software has nothing to do with hard drive space...it has to do with trying to get all that bloat loaded up and moving in the right direction.

@all:
I think one theme is clear from this thread...and should be clear from the dozens of other threads about this subforum....OM is about innovating and pushing boundaries. We have work in progress (tripzero being a big part of it) to get OM running on small always on/instant on hardware....we are pushing the cutting edge of computer software with a full fledged graphics engine (similar to many high end games), multi-operating system support, and more plugins released per month then any other FE per year. We may be in a "infant android stage", but we all know how the "well the apple app store is bigger" argument worked out in the long run.

New rule from now on....when you post in any thread i'm part of either say something of substance or your getting ignored. If your going to make statements like that at least provide a concrete example!! Statements like "you lie about features" and "OM doesn't have any of the features that cf has" are just baseless and inflammatory.

I couldn't agree more! Hijack seemed to have missed a fundamental concept..bloated software has nothing to do with hard drive space...it has to do with trying to get all that bloat loaded up and moving in the right direction.

@all:
I think one theme is clear from this thread...and should be clear from the dozens of other threads about this subforum....OM is about innovating and pushing boundaries. We have work in progress (tripzero being a big part of it) to get OM running on small always on/instant on hardware....we are pushing the cutting edge of computer software with a full fledged graphics engine (similar to many high end games), multi-operating system support, and more plugins released per month then any other FE per year. We may be in a "infant android stage", but we all know how the "well the apple app store is bigger" argument worked out in the long run.

Right back at you: "more plugins released per month then any other FE per year"...prove it.

Show the list of NEW plugins that have been released for OM (and will run right now) that don't exist on any other front end, because otherwise, you're just playing catch-up with everyone else. It's fine to brag about your baby, you have a right to be proud. It looks to have great potential, but potential is not the same as achievement. You shouldn't slam someone else's hyperbole then turn around and follow it with your own.

Right back at you: "more plugins released per month then any other FE per year"...prove it.

Show the list of NEW plugins that have been released for OM (and will run right now) that don't exist on any other front end, because otherwise, you're just playing catch-up with everyone else. It's fine to brag about your baby, you have a right to be proud. It looks to have great potential, but potential is not the same as achievement. You shouldn't slam someone else's hyperbole then turn around and follow it with your own.

http://openmobile.sourceforge.net/ma...nc=select&id=3
were at 8 for this month....with another 3-4 expected in the next two days. Next month we will probably fall under that with bug fixes and such, but have another 6 in the pipeline already so we should be close. Good call though...on average its more like every two months we roll out as many plugins as cf does per year (and were not paying people to do them )-i stand corrected.

I'd really like to see a proper CF profile. How long it takes to start, it's memory footprint, CPU load average, how many times per second it wakes up to operate, etc. Anyone up to the challenge? Then compare that side by side with OM.

When I tried CF, I did note that it's huge the entire program was larger than the entire LinuxICE iso (ie, >300mb), It took forever to start and I don't recall the memory footprint but I'm willing to bet it's pretty big.

I gotta agree with tripzero on the boot up with CF. I have a VIA M10000, and CF takes forever to boot up(even though the OS loads quickly), and is slow as far as response goes(making it essentially useless on my system)...which is why I'm using RR..even though I wanted to use CF cause it has everything I needed ot the box(I like LinuxICE also, but touchscreen issues and lack of decent GPS software remain a deal breaker). But my system simply isn't robust enough to run such a resource hungry frontend. Just my opinion based on my experience with CF. All the other frontends out there(also including the LinuxICE OS) run great on my hardware.
Being new to this carpc thing, I think I can safely say that new users want ease of installation, setup, and overall performance after all the functions they need or want are setup. And they don't want to feel like they need a tech to constantly have to walk them through this phase, using all kinds of technical instructions and terms that they don't understand easily. Simple and easy, along with a visually pleasing and functional interface, is the direction all frontends need to move in!

I stopped worrying completely with CF boot load times (which are long) after I started using Win7 hybrid sleep successfully, since the end of last year. It boots faster than my OEM computer actually, pretty impressive, be it CF, RR or whatever. So for me that's no biggie anymore. I don't want ever to loose the instant on feel Win7 provides.

I do not know what you are talking about. This thread asked the pros and cons of moving from CF to OM. The facts have been laid out accurately. OM can do multi-zone right now, thats fact. It was designed with this functionality from the get-go because we try to design for tomorrow, rather than yesterday.

Yes CF is for profit. So what are they doing with that profit? OM is free... and look at whats been accomplished. You're convinced CF is the greatest and thats fine, keep paying for it. I'm sure they understand that without innovation they are not going to generate profit, and unfortunately for there users, that means they are not going to be inclined to continue offering support for something thats not padding there wallet (cough streetdeck). That's my opinion, cause thats how we do things at my work. If an area isn't making money, it doesn't get the attention.

I'm not saying CF is fine. It has its issues, and everyone knows that. Like I said once I think OM is better and looks better, I will be the first to switch. Also your assuming I paid for it and consider its the greatest. I have yet to buy my copies of CF because my setup is designed for multi-zone and currently CF 3 cant do it. Centrafuse Inc, is taking long with this update. They say its going to happen, but I have decided to wait till that update.

Your point on support is so true!

Originally Posted by heezer7

OT but thanks! First time I had heard of this and I am soooo changing my laptop install over to that from hibernate asap. Not sure how long it can stay alive in sleep, but be nice for jumping around town.

How could you not know about hybrid sleep!!!!!!!!!!! Its the thing that makes Win 7 the OS for Windows based Car PC. If you are running a ATOM based setup, then I see the PC sleeping for a good long while. Maybe even 2 days? If it doesn't then you'll come out of hibernation and that will let you know that you may need to add a second battery.

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

Ok, I HAVE to chime in here as a average user...

ws6vert - you are 100% correct in your first opinion, the other front ends aren't doing too well, its almost made me go back to a head unit.

I haven't even bothered with RR since my car laptop died. I bought a replacement to go in the car but I HATE that mess of a front end, and I'm not an idiot either (sure wife unit 1.o would disagree). I'm a pretty tech competent person, It's just waaay to much of a pita.

CF, Yeah... I've tried that thing. I tried it out three different times, forcing myself to like it.
It never happened, as much as I wanted to find something to replace RR I just couldn't like it. In the end it just reminded me of broccoli. blech.... Think it looks VERY dated.

"thepot player" seemed good but its missing some functions (none that I care about) and has no support unless you speak Korean. thought the interface was miles above CF or anything that RR had to offer.

so.. I've been without tunes in my car for months now, patently waiting for the release of OM and some decent skin jobs. The default OM (for now) does look pretty bad compared to other front ends but I can tell this wont be the case for long since the focus is on CORE components. The impression I get is the design is very flexible and well thought out. I expect to see lots of good eye candy from this as an end result

I think it all depends on what you started out with. I started out with CF, so when I tried RR, it was so confusing to me. When I tried OM, it just didn't look good to me.

Originally Posted by justchat_1

New rule from now on....when you post in any thread i'm part of either say something of substance or your getting ignored. If your going to make statements like that at least provide a concrete example!! Statements like "you lie about features" and "OM doesn't have any of the features that cf has" are just baseless and inflammatory.

Ignore me all you want, my life wont end. Your the number one culprit for saying all that "will have stuff". You'll pop into other peoples post, you've done it to 2 or 3 of mine and spout that OM is or will be better and what not. Don't be a Republican and try to manipulate information, lol.

I couldn't agree more! Hijack seemed to have missed a fundamental concept..bloated software has nothing to do with hard drive space...it has to do with trying to get all that bloat loaded up and moving in the right direction.

Yea Yea..... Its that I don't care, my setup is fast and I don't mind a overkill setup to compensate for the bloatness. When OM is easy to use like CF, then I will switch from the bloated monster known as CF and go to OM.

@all:
I think one theme is clear from this thread...and should be clear from the dozens of other threads about this subforum....OM is about innovating and pushing boundaries. We have work in progress (tripzero being a big part of it) to get OM running on small always on/instant on hardware....we are pushing the cutting edge of computer software with a full fledged graphics engine (similar to many high end games), multi-operating system support, and more plugins released per month then any other FE per year. We may be in a "infant android stage", but we all know how the "well the apple app store is bigger" argument worked out in the long run.

Like I said, when OM "innovation and pushing boundaries" is as easy and looks as good as CF, I will be the first to switch. It hasn't happened so I will continue to drive my cause down everyone and anyones throat. When OM is as useful for me, the I will gladly switch sides, and guess what, I will drive OM down everyone and anyones throat.

Originally Posted by locs4dayz

I gotta agree with tripzero on the boot up with CF. I have a VIA M10000, and CF takes forever to boot up(even though the OS loads quickly), and is slow as far as response goes(making it essentially useless on my system)...which is why I'm using RR..even though I wanted to use CF cause it has everything I needed ot the box(I like LinuxICE also, but touchscreen issues and lack of decent GPS software remain a deal breaker). But my system simply isn't robust enough to run such a resource hungry frontend. Just my opinion based on my experience with CF. All the other frontends out there(also including the LinuxICE OS) run great on my hardware.
Being new to this carpc thing, I think I can safely say that new users want ease of installation, setup, and overall performance after all the functions they need or want are setup. And they don't want to feel like they need a tech to constantly have to walk them through this phase, using all kinds of technical instructions and terms that they don't understand easily. Simple and easy, along with a visually pleasing and functional interface, is the direction all frontends need to move in!

I don't have the boot issue, so I really cant comment. I will say I had a M10000 and that MoBo drove me insane. Maybe it was because CF was bloated, but I ended up trashing it after constant BSOD. From what everyone on OM is saying, Performance is the only thing CF is lacking and most seem to be during startup. But install is so easy, setup is so easy. CF doesn't have technical instructions.... its very easy. I agree, CF does have some minor and major things to fix. I am sure it will, all though their time frames to fix it are putting a bad taste in my mouth. If they don't then more people will be coming to OM.

Originally Posted by RipplingHurst

I stopped worrying completely with CF boot load times (which are long) after I started using Win7 hybrid sleep successfully, since the end of last year. It boots faster than my OEM computer actually, pretty impressive, be it CF, RR or whatever. So for me that's no biggie anymore. I don't want ever to loose the instant on feel Win7 provides.

To end all this, OM prove me wrong. Have a better GUI, and make it easy to understand and have a similar plug-in base, and I will gladly switch. My car will be going to any and every car show possible (I'm also into exterior mods besides interior), and I will gladly rock OM. I will even advertise OM on the outside of my truck (I don't know about that logo though, I have a better one designed, I think OM developers will like it better then theirs.) I make that my promise!

Also please no hard feelings, im just very vocal, and when i support something, I can be very narrow minded.