1. The universe has such a flawless design that it necessitates a creator, and the Christian God is the only one who could have done that.

2. Every story in the Bible is backed up 100% by archeology, so the Bible was obviously inspired by the creator of the universe.

3. Every single prophecy in the Bible has come true. David accurately predicted Jesus would have his flesh torn by dogs, Micah accurately predicted the name of the place Jesus would be born when he stated the name of the clan he would come out of. Isaiah accurately predicted that Jesus would be born of the Virgin Mary when He said Immanuel would be born of a young woman. Jesus fulfills every prophecy in the Old Testament, because the New Testament says so, even parts of the Old Testament that don't sound to be prophecies at all.

4. The Bible has so many manuscripts, and all of them exactly the same, that you cannot doubt the reliability of the Scripture and must accept every word of it as true.

5. Belief in God is the only logical worldview.

6. It's better to play on the safe side and pretend God exists even if you don't really believe in Him, in case He does exist and will send you to hell for not believing.

7. Jesus was either lying, crazy, or really God. As the Bible says Jesus was not lying or crazy, He must have really been God.

8. The Bible says the Bible is true, therefore it is.

9. The Bible is UNIVERSALLY regarded as the "Good Book" (if you only count decent people).

10. Without God, people turn into immoral, cruel, sadistic monsters.

11. All morality comes from the Christian God as described in the Bible. Non-Christians are immoral.

12. Our personalities prove that God is real.

13. Jesus' resurrection is real because ancient legend tells us that the 12 Apostles were martyred for their faith. There is no other explanation for the story in the Bible except 1) it's completely true, or 2) it was an intentional hoax.

14. Jesus radically changed the world.

15. All intelligent people believe in the Christian God.

16. So many people believe in God, it is arrogant to suggest otherwise. (note: this does not apply to the God's of other religions)

17. Life must have an origin, and so that origin must be God, as described in the Bible.

18. The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves evolution is not so.

19. The Bible alone, of all the world's "holy" books (note: only the Bible is really Holy, the rest is inspired by Satan) contain such detailed prophecies of future events.

20. The Bible (interpreted as per historic Christian orthodoxy) cannot be challenged on any basis as the sole, final truth-standard (Galatians 1:8)

21. Is it absolutely true that "truth is not absolute" or only relatively true that "all things are relative?"

22. Unbelief in God is actually unwillingness to submit to Him.

23. Without God, people have no adequate sense of meaning and purpose, therefore God is real.

24. People who convert to Christianity have radically changed lives (but people who convert out of Christianity do not)

25. The Bible has no contradictions, and even the stuff that looks like contradictions can be explained if you look hard enough for a way to reconcile them.

26. Hundreds of scholarly books carefully document the veracity and reliability of the Bible. There is no scholarly evidence against the Bible.

27. The Bible has survived and even flourished in spite of centuries of worldwide attempts to destroy and ban its message. Obviously, the Bible is indestructible because God wrote it.

28. Ut is absurd to try to speak or even conceive of a non-existent 'God' when an existing God would, by definition, be greater.

29. Christianity is the ONLY religion whose leader is said to have risen from the dead (counting only current, popular religions)

30. How do you explain the empty tomb of Jesus in light of all the evidence that has now proven essentially irrefutable for twenty centuries?

31. Because the Bible says Jesus was real, that He was crucified and that there were guards posted at His tomb, it is certainly impossible that Jesus survived the crucifixion and escaped the tomb, and therefore the Resurrection is necessarily true.

32. The authorities would not have stolen Jesus' body, therefore the Resurrection is true.

33. If Jesus did not actually die and rise from the dead, how could He (in His condition) have circumvented all of the security measures in place at His tomb?

34. One verse in a letter of Paul says that 500 people saw Jesus. Obviously, they did, so God is real.

35. If all of Jesus' claims to be God were the result of His own self-delusion, why doesn't the Bible evidence lunacy in any other areas of His life?

36. If God is unchanging, wouldn't it be true that one who changes by suddenly “realizing” that he/she is “God” therefore isn't God?

37. People don't believe in God only because of their own personal problems.

38. The 35-40 men who wrote the Bible over a span of 1500 managed to write a unified message (as I said, the Bible never contradicts itself), therefore God inspired them.

39. The Declaration of Independence says, "all men are endowed by their Creator..." therefore God is real.

40. Science is just another (false) religion.

41. What do you make of all the anthropological studies indicating that even the most remote tribes show some sort of theological awareness?

42. Why subscribe to the incredible odds that the tilt and position of our planet relative to the sun are merely coincidental, considering how small the universe is? Isn't it much more likely the Bible is correct in saying the sun revolves around a flat earth?

43. If every effect has a cause, and if God Himself is the universe (i.e. is one with the universe, as some non-Christians suggest), what or who then caused the universe? Don't you realize that God must have created it?

44. It's impossible to argue against atheists because no matter how much logical evidence you show them, they will continue in their delusion of disbelieve.

45. All prayers (of good people) are answered, therefore God exists.

46. More people believe in Christianity than any other religion, so it must be true.

47. All (good) people are healed from diseases.

48. The Bible is 100% scientifically accurate.

49. As we see, all good Christians are prosperous, healthy, and happy (and vice versa). All bad heathens are poor, sick, and miserable (and vice versa). Clearly, God exists.

50. There has never been any claims of people from other religions having their prayers answered, so Christianity is the only right religion.

While this is good, solid research, my friend, I would like to point out that your title is a bit of a turn-off. Whenever so-called Christians start spouting off about "proof" and "logic", I get a little antsy. It usually means they're about to start drumming off on some tangent about how "other faiths are just as valid" or some other pansy hogwash. Faith is a mystery and, as such, is rendered worthless when compared to facts. If we had "facts" about it, then wouldn't everyone accept it and go to Heaven? That would be disgusting and a travesty. So can the facts and stick to what we know to be true: that "gut feeling" that Jesus is out there.

You ask an atheist, “What exactly is gravity” and he hasn’t the faintest idea. Likewise, he will know nothing of the actual mechanism of photosynthesis, cannot tell you where and how fast an electron is travelling nor has he a cure for cancer.

Science is fatally flawed. Its adherents and their acolytes are satisfied with half-answers and half-truths. With God, man is fully equipped to meet the vicissitudes of this Vale of Tears and avoid the torments of Hell.

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I am so disappointed with this post. Mostly because it is just boring beyond believe, but also because it is intollerably false. Where do you get this from HB? At the risk of being as boring as you, let me point out a few errors for you (only to help you, off course)...

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5. Belief in God is the only logical worldview.

That would be wonderful, but is hardly fact or truth!

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6. It's better to play on the safe side and pretend God exists even if you don't really believe in Him, in case He does exist and will send you to hell for not believing.

Again, how is this proof. And how does believing THIS make you a true Christian? God knows your heart, you cannot genuine beliving to Him. If that is what YOU are doing, you are in for a rude awakening!

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14. Jesus radically changed the world.

How is this PROOF of anything??? Because you say so???

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17. Life must have an origin, and so that origin must be God, as described in the Bible.

Heather Basher must have an origin, and so that origin must be Satan, as described in the Bible... It's been said, so it must be PROOF?

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21. Is it absolutely true that "truth is not absolute" or only relatively true that "all things are relative?"

I like this one actually.

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37. People don't believe in God only because of their own personal problems.

Or background and unfortunate upbringing. Or because they don't feel like commiting. Or bacause they like spaghetti better... Again, I dare ask, where do you get your point from?

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40. Science is just another (false) religion.

PROOF? Seriously HB, I agree it is false, but if you are going to post PROOF points, proof it already!!!

I could rip every single one of your so called proof points, but I was bored just reading your post, so am just considering the other unfortunate people who might read this post!

HB - turn to Lucifer. I promise you when you truly find HIM you will not feel the need to post useless proofs to convince people who are beyond saving.

I am so disappointed with this post. Mostly because it is just boring beyond believe, but also because it is intollerably false. Where do you get this from HB? At the risk of being as boring as you, let me point out a few errors for you (only to help you, off course)...

Again, how is this proof. And how does believing THIS make you a true Christian? God knows your heart, you cannot genuine beliving to Him. If that is what YOU are doing, you are in for a rude awakening!

Haven't you heard of Pascal's wager? Are you saying the scores of Christians who have used this argument against atheists for centuries are all in for a "rude awakening"?

Sigh, really? Hi, you may not remember me, I used to post here for a bit a few months ago (I have been diligently studying my English, hope you note some improvement). In case you don't know, me and "Heathen_Basher" used to be engaged until I told him I had decided to become an atheist and he dumped me. Anyway, I was randomly browsing by here and found this discussion, and I realized it was VERY similar to an article I had read ages ago http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/q...t=44+questions Can't make up your own material, dear? Anyway, it hardly matters cause it's all B.S., as I will now show you. Since that article is the original (and better written) I'll use it instead of the tripe here.

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How do you explain the high degree of design and order in the universe?

Maybe because are brains tend to see patterns where none exist? How do you explain all the randomness and chaos in the universe?

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How do you account for the vast archaeological documentation of Biblical stories, places, and people?

Oh, so some of the stuff mentioned in the Bible is historically accurate? So? Plenty of other ancient myths have some historical basis to them. However with those, scholars ALWAYS ignore the supernatural elements to get out the truth. Now how do you explain archaeological documentation that disproves the Bible, or lack of evidence for events mentioned in the Bible that should have left some?

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Since absolutely no Bible prophecy has ever failed (and there are hundreds), how can one realistically remain unconvinced that the Bible is of Divine origin?

Really? None has ever failed? Do you mean the ones that haven't happened but might still some day? I predict the sky will turn into jello. May not happen in a thousand years, but hey, it did not FAIL cause it might happen in a thousand more. Or maybe you meant some of those vaguely worded prophecies that you interpret to mean something that has happened while other people reading the same passages interpret to mean other things? Anyway, here's a list of Bible prophecies that have definitely failed: http://faithskeptic.50megs.com/prophecies.htm The most interesting one there is Jesus saying He will return within the lifetime of the people of the first century. Hmm, that didn't happen now, did it?

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Explain David's graphic portrayal of Jesus' death by crucifixion (Psalm 22) 1000 years previous to crucifixion being established as a form of capital punishment?

Really? First, this Psalm is not written as a prediction of something yet to come, it is a prayer of someone in distress. Second, the thing does not describe crucifixion! The word used as "they pierced" in English translations in the original said "like lions". In fact, the Psalm doesn't even say that the person in danger is ever even physically harmed! http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/pierce.html

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How could any mere human pinpoint the birth town of the Messiah seven full centuries before the fact, as did the prophet Micah?

The gospel of Matthew (2:5-6) claims that Jesus' birth in Bethlehem fulfills this prophecy. But this is unlikely since

"Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chr.2:18, 2:50-52, 4:4).

The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from verse 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did.

It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make the verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan.

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Account for the odds (1 in 10 to the 157th power) that even just 48 (of 300) Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in one person, i.e Jesus.

Yes, a bunch of random quotes from the Bible, a lot of which are not prophecies, which you assert were fulfilled by Jesus because the BIBLE SAYS THEY WERE, when in fact it is just as likely that the Biblical authors REWROTE Jesus' life in order for it to fit in with those "prophecies" (which they did, Matthew particularly is fond of misquoting the Old Testament to fit his purposes). What about all those Messianic prophecies Jesus clearly DIDN'T fulfill? There is a reason Jews don't believe in Him, you know...http://www.geocities.com/realjewsforjesus/MJFAQ.html

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How was it possible for the Old Testament prophet Isaiah to have predicted the virgin birth of Jesus (Isaiah 7:14) 700 years before it occurred?

The King James Version mistranslates the Hebrew word "almah", which means "young woman" as "virgin". (The Hebrew word, "bethulah", means "virgin".) In addition, the young woman referred to in this verse was living at the time of the prophecy. And Jesus, of course, was called Jesus -- and is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament.

[QUOTE]How can anyone doubt the reliability of Scripture considering the number and proximity to originals of its many copied manuscripts?[/QUOTE

Wouldn't it make better sense, even pragmatically, to live as though the God of the Bible does exist than as though He doesn't?

Pascal's wager has been refuted time and again. It's nonsense for several reasons: one can not simply will oneself to believe something, this wager can be equally applied to any and all gods (why don't you believe in Allah to stay on the safe side?), and why would God reward belief based on a bet? http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...ism/wager.html

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In what sense was Jesus a 'Good Man' if He was lying in His claim to be God?

Did I say Jesus was a "Good Man"? Perhaps you misunderstand people who say that, though. They probably mean the basic morals espoused in the New Testament are good, ignoring the divine claims. Anyway, it's totally possible that Jesus never claimed to be God and only the Bible authors record it as so.

On what basis can the Bible (interpreted as per historic Christian orthodoxy) be challenged as a sole, final truth-standard (Galatians 1:8)?

Yes, the Bible says its perfect, so the Bible must be perfect

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Is it absolutely true that "truth is not absolute" or only relatively true that "all things are relative?"

Of course truth is absolute. Something is or isn't. What's your point?

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Is it possible that your unbelief in God is actually an unwillingness to submit to Him?

Is it possible your belief in God is actually an unwillingness to live in a world without that comforting notion?

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Does your present worldview provide you with an adequate sense of meaning and purpose?

Yes. Do you hold your present worldviews just because they provide you with a sense of purpose?

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How do you explain the radically changed lives of so many Christian believers down through history?

Again, how do you explain the radically changed lives of so many people of other faiths?

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Are you aware that every alleged Bible contradiction has been answered in an intelligible and credible manner?

No, I have not. But let's consider it like this. Star Trek is a very popular series spanning various television shows and movies and written by many different people throughout decades. Naturally, contradictions in the show's real universe have arisen. The geeks of the internet, thankfully, waste no time discussing these and making up plausible reconciliations to these errors. Of course, the writers did not have these big ideas in mind. They just made a mistake.

Any Bible error can be answered because ANY contradiction can be answered in the method Apologists use. They examine the text and make up things not in the text to explain it away. Funnily enough, many of these Apologists come up with DIFFERENT answers. Only one of these can be right, of course, which also brings up the fact that none of them are right. Consider I am writing a book and in one part I say I live in Florida and another part I say I live in California. Is that a mistake? Well, maybe I only live in California half the year, and the rest of the time I live in Florida. Maybe I moved between the time of these passages I mentioned. Maybe I meant I live in one of these places in spirit. This is the sort of reaching that brings about your credible answers.

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What do you say about the hundreds of scholarly books that carefully document the veracity and reliability of the Bible?

I say there are hundreds that document its falsity and unreliability.

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Why and how has the Bible survived and even flourished in spite of centuries of worldwide attempts to destroy and ban its message?

Let's be honest here - the only real danger was in those first 300 years or so. After that, Christianity became the state religion of the biggest Empire of the time, and then went on ban and destroy as much of its competition as it could. Yet so many other religions still survive..

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Why isn't it absurd to try to speak or even conceive of a non-existent 'God' when an existing God would, by definition, be greater?

How do you explain the empty tomb of Jesus in light of all the evidence that has now proven essentially irrefutable for twenty centuries?

Uh huh. And what refutable proof do you have that there ever was an empty tomb in the first place?

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If Jesus did not actually die and rise from the dead, how could He (in His condition) have circumvented all of the security measures in place at His tomb?

He couldn't, so that probably didn't happen. He probably also did rise from the dead either.

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If the authorities stole Jesus' body, why? Why would they have perpetrated the very scenario that they most wanted to prevent?

See above.

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If Jesus merely resuscitated in the tomb, how did He deal with the Roman guard posted just outside its entrance?

See above.

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How can one realistically discount the testimony of over 500 witnesses to a living Jesus following His crucifixion (see 1 Corinthians 15:6)?

The problem here is that we DON'T have over 500 testimonies. We have the testimony of ONE person, who was not even present at this alleged event. Interestingly, the Gospels, the book of Acts, and all the other epistles fail to mention this huge event.

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If all of Jesus' claims to be God were the result of His own self-delusion, why didn't He evidence lunacy in any other areas of His life?

How do we know He didn't? Because the Bible says so?

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If God is unchanging, wouldn't it be true that one who changes by suddenly “realizing” that he/she is “God” therefore isn't God?

Yes. What's your point?

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Is your unbelief in a perfect God possibly the result of a bad experience with an imperfect Church or a misunderstanding of the facts, and therefore an unfair rejection of God Himself?

No. Is your belief in God possibly the result of influence of your upbringing, or some stressful time in your life when you were looking for comfort?

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How did 35-40 men, spanning 1500 years and living on three separate continents, ever manage to author one unified message, i.e. the Bible?

Unified message? Tell that to the 30,000+ Christian denominations. But anyway, here's an interesting quote: "We find collected in this book [The Bible] the superstitious beliefs of the ancient inhabitants of Palestine, with indistinct echoes of Indian and Persian fables, mistaken imitation of Egyptian theories and customs, historical chronicles as dry as they are unreliable and miscellaneous poems, amatory, human and Jewish-national, which is rarely distinguished by beauties of the highest order but frequently by superfluity of expression, coarseness, bad taste, and genuine Oriental sensuality." Be honest, the Bible is a great big mish-mash of books, which often contradict each other. Consider that Christians cannot even agree whether or not they should pay attention to the Old Testament.

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Would you charge the Declaration of Independence with error in affirming that "all men are endowed by their Creator..."?

If we view it as a metaphor, what's the problem? Would you charge an constitution with error if it said, "This government will treat its citizens with certain inalienable rights..." ?

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Because life origins are not observable, verifiable, or falsifiable, how does historical 'science' amount to anything more than just another faith system?

Nobody has faith in these things. We believe them until we find the next best hypothesis. We are always open to be proven wrong. Christians merely have failed to do so.

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What do you make of all the anthropological studies indicating that even the most remote tribes show some sort of theological awareness?

Does that mean you are going to convert? But anyway, you believe not all of Christianity is "right", just the baptist church, would you say there are more baptists in the world or Hindus for example? By this logic (and i use this term very loosely) you have proved your own religion wrong, great work there!

I did laugh however when Bogdana Alkeav's argument completely tore yours to shreds, but you just ignored it, due to the fact you can't come up with a coherent, logical argument. (although normally that doesn't stop you)

OK, do this for me, pray for God to cure cancer and for the world to be in total peace by tomorrow - oh wait! millions of people already do and guess what?

Oh yeah it didn't do anything!

Why would True Christians™ (the only ones who truly worship God, and therefore the only ones whose prayers reach Him) pray for cancer to be cured? Everyone knows it is His righteous punishment upon sinners who deserve it. I personally pray for more cancer, because there are some heathens who might learn a lesson from being riddled with tumors. Perhaps that will make them seek the Lord before they die horrible, painful deaths brought upon them by their own wicked ways.

You ask an atheist, “What exactly is gravity” and he hasn’t the faintest idea. Likewise, he will know nothing of the actual mechanism of photosynthesis, cannot tell you where and how fast an electron is travelling nor has he a cure for cancer.

Science is fatally flawed. Its adherents and their acolytes are satisfied with half-answers and half-truths. With God, man is fully equipped to meet the vicissitudes of this Vale of Tears and avoid the torments of Hell.

Gravity: the force of attraction between all masses in the universe (objects to the ground)
Photosynthesis: The conversion of carbon dioxcide into organic compounds

Make up your mind. Some very good points are listed but you belittle her because she is a woman. Heathen scum.
P.S I read it.

All of the good Pastors points are always valid, true and Godly. She is a woman, As such, she is inferior most any many (except australians, nigras and the french, they are born of tainted criminal blood).So, being the Pastor is an upstanding, beyond true Christian, I have to demand you take back your rude and uncalled for disparaging remarks.

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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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