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Yeah itís been a almost amusing watching people kid themselves that Lovren is actually better than Matip. Itís like people only remember. What they saw last week. Matip hasnít had a great season but just last season people were marveling over how we got such a good defender for nothing.

Also, Lovrenís improvements in recent weeks have largely been attributed to VVD but heís had the most games with VVD, Matip hasnít. So why canít he be given a chance of an extended partnership with VVD and see how that settles him back down to last seasonís form! Lovren is just so mentally fragile. When bleepiní Lukaku (one of the biggest front runners around, nothing but a flat track bully)is targeting you because he thinks he can own you, you know youíre weak.

I hope we can finally dispense of this nonsense that Lovren is better than Matip. He isnít. I would much rather see the Matip/Virgil partnership be allowed to develop from here on out.

Yeah it’s been a almost amusing watching people kid themselves that Lovren is actually better than Matip. It’s like people only remember. What they saw last week. Matip hasn’t had a great season but just last season people were marveling over how we got such a good defender for nothing.

Also, Lovren’s improvements in recent weeks have largely been attributed to VVD but he’s had the most games with VVD, Matip hasn’t. So why can’t he be given a chance of an extended partnership with VVD and see how that settles him back down to last season’s form! Lovren is just so mentally fragile. When bleepin’ Lukaku (one of the biggest front runners around, nothing but a flat track bully)is targeting you because he thinks he can own you, you know you’re weak.

I hope we can finally dispense of this nonsense that Lovren is better than Matip. He isn’t. I would much rather see the Matip/Virgil partnership be allowed to develop from here on out.

Well no, VVD has played 9 games, Matip has partnered him for 5 and Lovren four.

TBF to Lovren he has bullied Lukaku in his last few games against him, however, he is a liability and has made a gaffe in quite a few of the top-six games this season alone.

Matip ain't been great this season, but Lovren definitely isn't the long-term answer.

Lovren is one of those players who looks good most of the time but your heart is in your mouth every time he is in a dangerous situation. You are waiting for him to drop the proverbial bullock and this won't change any time soon.

Yeah it’s been a almost amusing watching people kid themselves that Lovren is actually better than Matip. It’s like people only remember. What they saw last week. Matip hasn’t had a great season but just last season people were marveling over how we got such a good defender for nothing.

Also, Lovren’s improvements in recent weeks have largely been attributed to VVD but he’s had the most games with VVD, Matip hasn’t. So why can’t he be given a chance of an extended partnership with VVD and see how that settles him back down to last season’s form! Lovren is just so mentally fragile. When bleepin’ Lukaku (one of the biggest front runners around, nothing but a flat track bully)is targeting you because he thinks he can own you, you know you’re weak.

I hope we can finally dispense of this nonsense that Lovren is better than Matip. He isn’t. I would much rather see the Matip/Virgil partnership be allowed to develop from here on out.

Lukaku will eat Matip on his average days and you know it. Also in one sentence you say Lukaku is a flat track bully and you know he is in absolute top form and schooled Chelsea defenders just weeks back, and then you think if a defender loses some headers against him 35 yards away, then its a drama?

I remember emile heskey schooling hypia (the best aerial defenders we ever had) on his best days. Does not mean hypia was weak, just that a physical striker will get the better of you on his good days.

Lukaku will eat Matip on his average days and you know it. Also in one sentence you say Lukaku is a flat track bully and you know he is in absolute top form and schooled Chelsea defenders just weeks back, and then you think if a defender loses some headers against him 35 yards away, then its a drama?

I remember emile heskey schooling hypia (the best aerial defenders we ever had) on his best days. Does not mean hypia was weak, just that a physical striker will get the better of you on his good days.

That was arguably Lukaku's best performance, in like, what, at least 10 appearances when lining up against us.(including the Merseyside derbies).

But was it a really good performance? Yeah, two headers he'd won - against Lovren - both resulted in goals, so his influence on the game was obvious. But otherwise he was isolated for large parts of the game, especially in the second half where he hardly touched the ball.

Matip probably would've struggled against him too. But this is our problem, we have too many weaknesses in our team that still haven't been addressed and if we aspire to be able to go places like OT and stay in the game we need more quality all over the park.

That was arguably Lukaku's best performance, in like, what, at least 10 appearances when lining up against us.(including the Merseyside derbies).

But was it a really good performance? Yeah, two headers he'd won - against Lovren - both resulted in goals, so his influence on the game was obvious. But otherwise he was isolated for large parts of the game, especially in the second half where he hardly touched the ball.

Matip probably would've struggled against him too. But this is our problem, we have too many weaknesses in our team that still haven't been addressed and if we aspire to be able to go places like OT and stay in the game we need more quality all over the park.

We have dominated Lukaku in recent seasons. In his last two games vs us with Everton he barely got a kick & earlier this season he took criticism for his poor showing against us.

Everything around both goals was horrible tbh & quite predictable; our set-up was just naive.

We had an excellent record against the top six last season, but it looks pretty poor this season (1 win!) & defensively away from home in these games we have been porous.

People are schizophrenic on this forum. One minute, Lovren is the worst player we have ever bought (especially after West ham few seasons ago and Totenham this season); then with VVD, he is the future of our defense and then post man Utd, hoping that he is moved on in the summer

People are schizophrenic on this forum. One minute, Lovren is the worst player we have ever bought (especially after West ham few seasons ago and Totenham this season); then with VVD, he is the future of our defense and then post man Utd, hoping that he is moved on in the summer

This happens all the time though. Klopp was crap in October and supposedly should've been replaced by Silva. It's called being 'fickle'. And unfortunately our fans are probably worse than Arsenal's these days. They at least have valid reasons to be unhappy.

Not one sane person wants Lovren to partner Van Dijk next season as first choice. However a lot of people recognize that he's actually pretty good player as backup. Guardiola spoke about Otamendi being his best defender when it comes to winning duels a week ago. I think Klopp sees Lovren in the same light. Sometimes you know the forward isn't particularly great in all aspects of the game, all you need to do is win your duels against him and half the job is done. Plenty of those strikers in this league.

We've made Kane absolutely irrelevant in previous games for example, including Lovren and Lucas. However Lovren had a bad game in October and Kane punished us. If Lovren has a bad game every 6-8 times he plays, that's perfectly fine. As long as he's not first choice, we'll probably get to see it once or twice per season.

People are schizophrenic on this forum. One minute, Lovren is the worst player we have ever bought (especially after West ham few seasons ago and Totenham this season); then with VVD, he is the future of our defense and then post man Utd, hoping that he is moved on in the summer

Lovren has never been good enough to partner VVD. The fact Lovren was still at the club when VVD arrived was surprising.

Lukaku would destroy Matip. VVD just needs a new partner in the summer. Pretty simple.

Lukaku did exactly what he did for the first goal against us in the game against Spurs which led to a goal this season when Alderweireld was marking him. Alderweireld did pretty much exactly what Lovren did. Its more his positioning than Lukaku's aerial ability as he wins around 50% of his duels this season.

If Lukaku gets in front of the defender then it becomes a problem, straight out jumping together and he isn't normally that good.