Or, “ Okay. I have heard Texperts are kindov spoilt; they aren’t as hardworking as NEDians you know”

Or, ” That’s nice, you know their designers are so much better than Indus.”

Or something else.

This one punch line tells you where your identity stands as a TIPian. This very first thought that comes to your mind is the marketing image that TIP is selling to the academic world outside. Every institution has it; though probably out of concern of maintaining the sanctity of the educational institutions as distinct from the corporate world, the academic world does not research on their image nor do they device strategies to market it as aggressively.

But every institution has an image nevertheless.

What comes to your mind when you think about LUMS, or NED or IBA or IVSAA, KU or even Jinnah University for Women?

This first sentence that comes to your mind about an institution is THE characteristic image that an institution carries. For instance IBA is associated with honesty and punctuality in wider corporate and academic circles. LUMS is considered to be pretty efficient, high profile people, but effectively removed from the reality of the common masses. They are also known to be apt in world-class extra curricular activities. NED has this instant recognition world wide that it provides the best engineers from Pakistani territory; though locally there are competitors that are equally significant. NCA is fun loving and creative and artsy.

What is TIP known for?

What do you think it should be known for? Does TIP have an institutional ideology? If yes, how does it attempt to market it, if at all?

27 Replies to “What is it about TIP that makes TIP, TIP?”

NTU, NTU HOW COULD YOU FORGET NTU NATIONAL TEXTILE UNIVERSITY FAISALABAD? HOW CAN YOU LAY DOWN THE HIGH PERCENTAGE EARNERS JOINING NED AND NTU WHERE ENTRANCE COMPETITION IS CUT THROAT FOR ABOUT 150 TO 200 SEATS ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE APPLY NOT LIKE TIP THAT FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED…. AND DON’T FORGET THE FEES YOU ARE PAYING AT TIP AND FEES STUDENTS ARE PAYING AT NED AND NTU, DON’T JUST FAVOR SOME THING OR INSTITUTION SIMPLY BEA CAUSE YOU ARE A PART OF IT.

I think you missed the point this piece of writing is trying to make and mislead yourself into a pointless argument.

NTU may be amazingness and all, but at TIP no one considers NTU as a rival, rather a sister concern, because both TIP and NTU fall under management of the same body, APTMA.

Secondly, it’s foolish comparing NED, IVSAA, NTU or IBA with TIP. You cannot compare apples with oranges. There has to be some solid, common ground to support a comparison. Start with departments, individual courses, teaching methodologies and results, that’ll be more apt and useful for mass betterment.

Please visit the textile industry sir, how arrogant of you to say and I quote ” because both TIP and NTU fall under management of the same body, APTMA”

Sir let me correct you, both TIP and NTU DONOT fall under management of the same body, APTMA. NTU is a governmental institution and is a public sector university so government (education ministry) finances for the students and the university is recognized by Pakistan Engineering Council, it is SUPPORTED BY APTMA AND EPB but is in the control of ministry of education as is begin operating by governmental funds and is a public sector university. At the moment only three universities which all fall in public sector are recognized Textile universities by Pakistan Engineering Council, i.e. NTU, NED and Mehran University Jamshoro, all supporting the students from governmental finances and are in control of ministry of education and serving well the poor student of Pakistan who may not afford the fees of TIP etc and these institutes are located at public accessible places, not miles out of the main city, please GET A LIFE.

Just visit the industry and see the graduates of these institutions at top designations. For the point you raised for departments, individual courses, teaching methodologies and results, just keep in view the fees these institutions are charging and still producing admirable professionals which are still held in higher esteem then TIP graduate, please admit it TRUTH IS ALL OPEN.

Jeez, lady, what are you made of, magma? Relax. You seem to have a personal grudge against me, telling me to get a life and all.

Anyways, since NTU’s website refuses to open (Address Not Found: Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.ntu.edu.pk), I had to turn to Wikipedia. I quote:

“In 1973 the administrative control of the Institute was transferred to Federal Government and it was renamed as “National College of Textile Engineering”. In 1983 a President’s order was passed to run the college affairs more smoothly through a Board of Governors that consisted of Federal Minister of industries as Chairman, seven members from Federal/Provincial Governments and three members from All Pakistan Textile Mills Association (APTMA)…
…In September 1993, the management of the college was transferred to All Pakistan Textile Mills Association (APTMA) and government reconstituted the Board of Governors taking seven members out of eleven, from APTMA…

…APTMA has taken many steps for raising the overall standard of education and improvement of facilities in the college…“

PLease visit HEC website to see for your self that NTU is is public sector university while TIP is a private sector university. Any ways it was a nice joke i burst out into laughter as soon i read your comment.

So why NTU is a Public sector university and TIP a public sector university while NED and Mehran university Jamshoro all three falling in public sector universities? Why so wast difference in fees charged and where has HEC and education ministry control gone if NTU is listed as Public university?

so why NTU falls in PUBLIC SECTOR UNIVERSITIES (GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERED) while TIP is a PRIVATE SECTOR UNIVERSITY,VISIT HEC WEBSITE) WHY A WIDE DIFFERENCE OF FEES CHARGED????? WHY GOVERNMENT FUNDS FOR STUDENTS OF NTU, IF GOVERNMENT IS GIVING FUNDS SO ITS FOR SURE THAT EDUACTION MINSTRY WILL EXCERCIUSE IT’S AUTHRITY AT NTU AND WE AT TIP ARE MADE TO PAY NEAR ABOUT 80,000 PER SEMSTER….. FISHY ISN’T??????

The reason to believe that government is still in control of NTU is simple i.e. A WIDE DIFFERENCE OF FEES CHARGED AT TIP AND NTU, WHILE ALL OTHER PRIVATE SECTOR INSTITUTIONS CHARGE THE SAME FEES REGULATED BY GOVERNMENT INCLUDING NTU,THUS THERE ARE GOVERNMENT FUNDS (MINISTRY OF EDUCATION FUNDS) FOR STUDENTS OF NTU, IF GOVERNMENT IS GIVING FUNDS SO ITS FOR SURE THAT EDUCATION MINISTRY WILL EXERCISE IT’S AUTHORITY AT NTU AND THUS NTU ACCORDING TO HEC IS A PUBLIC SECTOR UNIVERSITY, DO LOOK UP THE MEANING OF PUBLIC SECVTOR UNIVERSITY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. CHAO

Lets suppose If in “REALITY”, APTMA is running NTU _just more than words) so it means that APTMA is funding for the students at NTU (BIG JOKE ISN’T? AND IS IMPOSSIBLE BUT STILL READ ON) thus fees are low so at NTU, BUT THEN IT’S VERY UNFAIR WITH TIP STUDENTS THAT WHY THEY ARE PAYING A MUCH HIGHER AMOUNT THAN NTU STUDENTS AN INSTITUTE WHICH “ALSO” IS RUN BY APTMA. So now reason is clear NTU has government funds as other public sector universities like NED has and thus ministry of education exercise control on it as it does at NED and that’s why NED lists NTU in Public Sector University.

@ DreaWeaver
lOlllZzzzz!!! u know every thing n answered ur queries by urself…Mashallah! u r more knowledgeable than any TIPian…However i am still trying to figureout the exact message u want to convey from all of ur abov valuable comments..:D

“BUT THEN IT’S VERY UNFAIR WITH TIP STUDENTS THAT WHY THEY ARE PAYING A MUCH HIGHER AMOUNT THAN NTU STUDENTS AN INSTITUTE WHICH “ALSO” IS RUN BY APTMA”

there can be quite a lot of reasons for it, I suggest you conduct a research on it and help liberate us from this burden. We would really appreciate if you would venture on this journey and help us out… and to show our support i will throw in some random (truly out of the box) reasons as to why this maybe happening

1) The TIP website actually works.
2) The ‘Roti’ and the ‘Boti’ is expensive in Karachi.
3) The grass seems greener on the other side but it actually is at TIP.

ok whom to address first neways ill start with the dreamy guy.
@dreamweaver
you really are like your name.. i guess what i get from your comments is that you actually are defining TIP the article itself seems to have lost its meaning and we ofcourse have digressed from the point from the very first comment something TIP well should i say is trying to fix it with its academics atleast and i feel for the writer cause she isnt from TIP and im sure she has her guards up when talking about TIP cause she has her own uni image to live up too. neways you deviated from the topic like anything, i dont get it NTU, NED and some third uni dude ok so you paid 80k you are in a uni where you are admitted on a first come basis, its not run by a govt. organization and what not i guess all this info was very much there in the prospectus maybe the only thing that wasnt there was the pay you get at jobs but that hsouldnt matter..
neways stop crying and shooting blank shots cause believe me thas what you will most probably get if you walk up to the management and i dont think they will be wrong in telling the same thing to you.. focus on your ed. and try to develop and edge over others.
sorry if ive offended u but you really have to read the article is prety simple and straight..neways best of luck

@faiza jamil
i read your article and i like your topic its very catchy but the article seems to be a bit misleading i hope that its on my part but ill still give it a try not to sum it up but maybe add to it i suppose..
firsts things first all the universities you have mentioned in your article are atleast 10 to 15 years older establishments than TIP, please correct me if im wrong.
secondly, the image that these universities have created is well not only over the years but also because the industry they are concerned with is very very organized and well TIP caters to a market which has not evolved in the past 60 years and guess what, i think that is what it aims at doing, but given the situation and the mind set itll take time.
so NED is known worldwide well i do have doubts but ill still believe that since most of our engineers are always going here and there saudis and places and yes they are paid well also, but you know what their work requires a lot of detailing in the sense that you wouldnt want the building to collapse now would you? so its a given that they have to be very very sound in their work neways thas not the point. but ned is i suppose enjoying this image cause its a very old institution now isnt it. i still believe that the universities these days are more cashing in on their image weather the grad knows something or nothing and i think that is very true for IBA students and that is the exact point you are trying to bring about if im not mistaken..
ill agree we dont… but i think this was a question you should have raised to the management of TIP not to the students cause they are already pretty lost i think its got to do something with the americans as im sure you would have goten the idea by reading our comments…
ok now the serious bit, marketing, image, branding, or positioning..
the thing that i feel TIP needs is a really good Marketing dept. or team cause its needed very badly and what TIP requires in my opinion is a 3way marketing plan i dont know why im giving stuff out like this but ok .. a three way marketing a) for the students b) for the industry and c) for the students who are already enrolled here at TIP, and these three are suppose to work seperatly each one requires a different strat. a diff approach eventually you will see it is all going to bring about the answer to your question the image you are talking about, im sure not many universities have it here in pakistan but then again im sure it really doesnt matter.how its going to work well thas another story and im sure the managements not going to buy it but still i hope youll understand.
TIP has an image hte one that you have is pretty much the image we have at the moment i guess atleast the building has contributed something for many ppl like you id still say its an attraction and it does most of the marketing for TIP just like it has in the past 8 years i suppose.btw you mite also be interested in checking out the number of graduates TIP has given up to date and if you compare im sure youll see something that mite be of help at developing an answer.. all in all four years to end i think i love this Facility its not only gr8 its one of a kind to be honest.. and im proud of it..
furhan you can kill me later..
thank you

NOT EVEN A SINGLE DOCUMENTED ARGUMENT PROVIDED LOLZZZZZ AND EVEN WENT UP TO SAY ” NED is known worldwide well i do have doubts ” LOLZ. WALKING UP TO T.I.P MANAGEMENT IS A WASTE OF TIME THUS WE HAVE QUACK, SORRY THAT YOU GUYS TREATED THE ARRANGEMENTS RAISED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE T.I.P MANAGEMENT DOES, PUSHING THEM ASIDE AND OFFENDING THE PERSON WITH OWN CREATED BLUFF COMMENTS LIKE ” i think i love this Facility its not only gr8 its one of a kind to be honest.. and im proud of it” SHOWS THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY BIASED AND HAVE NO COURAGE TO FACE THE TRUTH, SAID RIGHTLY, ” THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T GET ADMISSION SOME WHERE ELSE, TAKE ADMISSION IN T.I.P”

i agree with the author on the fact that we need an image of our institution and I think one of the best steps that have been taken is the research department that tip has established havnt got any details about it n wats going on in there but its a good start, Tip caters to one of the sectors that is quite frankly neglected, most of the people ive talked to say people working in textiles dont have a life, hehe i agree somewat with that looking at wat my batchmates are going through at thier respective workplaces.
but in general you just cant compare our institution with others its just a totally different platform, tip has a tight budget to operate on and well there arent a lot students to select from in the first place, the new students coming from high school just dont want to adopt the textile career, blame it on the condition of the industry but I dont think TIP has a lot to do with students preferences to join textiles, so u cant say that oo in tip any one can get it as compared to other institutions, there just arent enough students and faculty to choose from, faculty in textiles is harder and harder to find. for students who can afford the 35k $ annual price tag usually go abroad for textiles.

@author
wat good is a punch line if there is no substance behind it. “da best students in textiles are tip graduates” coem to tip hehee, our institutes has a lot of problems but who doesnt..it will take more than the honesty of the faculty and staff..its up to all the students if u think ur educated properly raise ur voice bring up concerns and ways to solve them,
and we need to put some real steps to control or eliminate plagarism..i remember those from my days at tip “yaar babajee ka assignment ker liya mujhe email ker dai……..” n the whole class would copy it from somewhere, dont blame me for doing that I used to prepare my own assignments n well da guys who copied them got higher grades so at some point in time i joined them 😉

to conclude i think more focus on the education standard and research would be more helpful in shaping the future of our students and im sure their accomplishments after graduation will speak for themselves and the institute as a whole.

I cant beleive i wrote all tht ..ooye zaid get ur ass back to ur thesis and stop wasting time on quack ;-p

@dreamweaver oo well i donno abt other students coming to tip because they didnt get admitted anywhere,but i didnt get admission in my top 2choices that was ned and gik so thats why i ended up in tip, but watever it was i wudnt change it for anything and ive learned and developed myself more than i wud have done it in ned or GIK, education is not only wat u know abt da field but also how it influences and affect u as a person ;-p i luvd my time at tip not that its perfect
TIP has tons of problems but hey i dont think mr obama is gonna come over n fix it,
its good to raise questions and problems but that is just a small part of the solution, da rest is how to fix it…….

First of all; please dont compare TIP with other textile engineering universities. TIP is different in terms of the courses it offers. This is not engineering. And yes, you can compare our design department with that of Indus Valley and NCA.

Secondly; institutions take a lot of time to evolve with their separate and distinct ideologies. Yes. TIP has (to some extent) an institutional ideology which is that it caters the management side of the textile industry. TIP graduates are different because they are the managers and eventually they are the leaders. TIP has designed it programmes in such a way through which students get a nice blend of technical and management side and this is the what the industry demands.

Sit back and relax! It will take time for TIP to evolve. But one thing is for sure that we are different and we are the ones who will and are making difference in the way industry operates.

” i think i love this Facility its not only gr8 its one of a kind to be honest.. and im proud of it”

I love it when i am suppose to point it out to ppl sometimes that there is a this small word i think its called o wait i cant forget this one o yes its called sarcasm if you missed it too bad i wish i could explain it to you but for that youll need to snap out of weaving dreams “LOLZ”

“SHOWS THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY BIASED AND HAVE NO COURAGE TO FACE THE TRUTH, SAID RIGHTLY, ”

ummm o yeah “LOLZ” n “LOLZ” again

Documented evidence, argument dude again read the article please just once or ask someone to read it for you i did not say what you think i said i just said i have doubts about what is said n hey ever heard of somethings that cannot be documented but if you can document image then feel free to enlighten me with your knowledge.

O n yes i dont reallly know why im bothering with this line of yours;

“WALKING UP TO T.I.P MANAGEMENT IS A WASTE OF TIME THUS WE HAVE QUACK, SORRY THAT YOU GUYS TREATED THE ARRANGEMENTS RAISED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE T.I.P MANAGEMENT DOES, PUSHING THEM ASIDE”

umm “LOLZ” i just love this word.. well i never asked you to walk up to TIP management all i meant was that dude wake up to the reality that is TIP not to walk up to them and waste time accept and get on with it. sorry but that is how it is and i dont think this needs to be documented but in your case for arguements sake feel free to do so.. on a more biased note which im sure youll agree is always fruitful in all its senses rite, well quack is a place yes to raise your voice but then why hide behind a veil “dreamweaver”.. n im glad we have quack and you are more than welcome to say whatever you feel like but still this is not an alternative.. there is no alternatives.. neways have fun
o yes “LOLZ” im sorry its just the way its written over and over again brings some humor to the comment good job..

@dreamweaver
i would agree that these other universities that you are comparing tip with are old enough to have established their names well..it took ages ..n tip is still very young…. n i appreciate all the students who are at tip and have graduated ,for atleast taking this oppurtunity of getting admitted here because atleast they are ready to bring the change to the country to the textile industry and to tip unlike the thousand students who havnt even realised yet that textiles even exists or textiles is the largest exporting sector of pakistan and that we should work on this sector and do something for it…. but unfortunatley everybody wants to go to iba and lums….and then end up in other sectors or go and serve to the gora pplll ..atleast we are hopefull that tipians will serve in their own country and help revive the industry
n one thing more …its only because of the recession of the industry that people are not taking it as an option but when we get back to the track of being called ‘the most booming industry ‘ then everyone will desire to get in here irrespective of the fee and then nobody will be admitted on first cum first bases..but still the admission is taken through a test which one has to pass and then get into tip…its just a matter of time ..tip will be the most wanted one it the cuming years.

My personal opinion is that in its bid to emphasize its architectural beauty, the students here tend to forget that there has to be something more soulful and substantial to which TIPians should relate to.

For instance, one has to admit that extra curricular activities here are more organized than, for instance, IBA; and are conducted in more regular basis.

Plus, people, you should all go to the library, get hold of eqbal ahmad’s work, and GO THROUGH IT!

With due apologies, the quality of talks of students sitting hither and thither at TIP campus is not what it should be.

If you goto LUMS for instance, even the freshmen there have an opinion about things around the world. You’ll feel there are ideological groups there ; either to support Junaid Jamshed or Richard Dawkins or Obama or Chief Justice or Medonna or Guljee.

Guys and gals you have to do that too! Evolve in quality!

Do you guys have ANY idea that if Ahmad was a Chancellor of LUMS or IBA, they would have blown it out of proportions!! and look *down* on every other less intellectual and under privileged institution of Pakistan!

And you people, you are too satisfied with owning a lake, for God’s sake!

Obviously, it will take time but it has to start somewhere!
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And for all those who just made me feel like an ‘other’ here, D-O-N-T!
Thats mean!