Originally posted by playa1258
Batman knew his daughter would jump in.

He was hoping to take DS in without fighting him. False, but the point is with guns Deadshot rapes Batman. Batman isn't very formidable though he did beat Superman.

playa1258

Round and round the fanboy goes.

quanchi112

Originally posted by playa1258
Round and round the fanboy goes. Well he didn't have an answer for Deadshot with a gun. Are you bringing back Frank's kids into the fight so Batman can have them take a bullet for him.

Originally posted by playa1258
Your whole damn posting history is full of bias. Quit trolling and address the specific posts you made in this thread full of bias.

Zack Fair

Batman.

Mindset

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman might not be able to beat Castle in a straight up h2h fight. And I don't recall much of his gadgets that will give him the edge over Castle's guns and sharpshooting.

That bulletptoof costume though, that might just win it for him. He had some magnetic explosives.

But yea, his suit is the main reason he wins.

In a featureless environment most of his gadgets won't be that impressive.

Arachnid1

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't DS have the drop on Batman before his daughter stopped him? Yeah he did. Batman got the drop on him first but still would have been killed in that scenario.

That said, Castle isn't DS. Batman takes him

The Sorrow

Batman stomps.

Castle has insane damage soak showings and decent h2h skill but this isn't some random thug it's the phucking Batman. He did casually what the Punisher almost died trying in his own series in taking down dozens of guys solo.

BruceSkywalker

Frank wins. He shoots Bruce in the face.

Just having some fun.

FrothByte

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Batman stomps.

Castle has insane damage soak showings and decent h2h skill but this isn't some random thug it's the phucking Batman. He did casually what the Punisher almost died trying in his own series in taking down dozens of guys solo.

Batman isn't stomping anyone who can give DD helluva fight. He still wins, but he ain't stomping.

Silent Master

Didn't Batman have armor and gear when he beat down those guys, as opposed to the Punisher who went into the fight with no armor or weapons?

carthage

Batman wins in spite of having no skill showings comparable to fighting on par with season 2 Daredevil and even though he cried after being stabbed meanwhile Frank can soak up a gunshot to the arm, multiple blows from Matts reinforced gloves/Billy clubs, and falls from buildings.

Adam Grimes

Originally posted by Mindset
He had some magnetic explosives.

But yea, his suit is the main reason he wins.

In a featureless environment most of his gadgets won't be that impressive. Jon Bernthal vs Ben Affleck, who wins?

quanchi112

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Batman stomps.

Castle has insane damage soak showings and decent h2h skill but this isn't some random thug it's the phucking Batman. He did casually what the Punisher almost died trying in his own series in taking down dozens of guys solo.

Get real.

TheVaultDweller

Originally posted by Mindset
Punisher can compete with DD, Batman's physical abilities don't give him the win.

Well, I'd say Bruce is above Matt in some areas, but below him in others. For example, I would give Bruce the advantage in strength, but Matt the edge in nimbleness/acrobatics. At one point in Justice League, Batman sent a parademon flying back probably a good 15 feet with a side kick. But I don't see him being able to literally do an aerial somersault around machine gunfire, like Matt has done before.

relentless1

he was pretty casually dodging gunfire on the Gotham rooftop at the beginning of JL and he also dodged point black shotgun fire while scrambling on a ceiling at the beginning of BvS as well

quanchi112

Frank wins.

TheVaultDweller

Originally posted by relentless1
he was pretty casually dodging gunfire on the Gotham rooftop at the beginning of JL and he also dodged point black shotgun fire while scrambling on a ceiling at the beginning of BvS as well

Never said Batman was slow, but that is not the same as literally flipping around machine gun fire through the air. And Matt has done that kind of thing multiple times, as well as dodge automatic fire while charging a guy shooting at him. Matt has also accumulated a few solid strength feats at this point, like kicking Bakuto into cement blocks hard enough to break them, kicking a biker the length of a stairwell, one arm tossing Nobu off a roof with his billy clubs, and breaking a 2x4 with an unarmoured forearm strike, just to name a few. So, both have decent feats of speed and strength. But Bruce is more consistently portrayed as a physical powerhouse, whereas Matt is more consistently portrayed as a more acrobatic fighter, and Bruce's top end strength feats are better, whereas Matt's top end acrobatic feats are better. And, at this point, Matt has more pure H2H feats against more established opponents, such as Black Sky Elektra, but Batman has superior gear, which counters that.

The Sorrow

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman isn't stomping anyone who can give DD helluva fight. He still wins, but he ain't stomping.
Yes it was a somewhat tough fight but Frank was clearly outclassed, and Daredevil was even more impressive during Defenders. Castle was a beast but he has been badly hurt, captured etc too many times to be comparable to Batman.

quanchi112

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes it was a somewhat tough fight but Frank was clearly outclassed, and Daredevil was even more impressive during Defenders. Castle was a beast but he has been badly hurt, captured etc too many times to be comparable to Batman. Batman was outclassed by Deadshot despite him sneaking up and attacking him first. Frank shoots him. Batman just loses a bad matchup here. Only reason Deadshot didn't end him is because he wouldn't shoot due to his daughter interfering.

carthage

Originally posted by relentless1
he was pretty casually dodging gunfire on the Gotham rooftop at the beginning of JL and he also dodged point black shotgun fire while scrambling on a ceiling at the beginning of BvS as well

Which is totally why he got tagged by a knife? And was running like a girl from Parademons?

Frank would rape him in H2H

FrothByte

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Yes it was a somewhat tough fight but Frank was clearly outclassed, and Daredevil was even more impressive during Defenders. Castle was a beast but he has been badly hurt, captured etc too many times to be comparable to Batman.

Frank went up against opponents unarmed and unarmored. Batman has always done so with his armor.

tkitna

Just finished the Punisher and I saw no indication that Frank is taking Batman out. Frank actually looked more impressive in the Daredevil flick than his own solo one.

quanchi112

Originally posted by tkitna
Just finished the Punisher and I saw no indication that Frank is taking Batman out. Frank actually looked more impressive in the Daredevil flick than his own solo one. What has Batman done ? Deadshot could have killed him.

Nevan

Batman's armor won't hold against Frank's heavier arsenal.

tkitna

Originally posted by quanchi112
What has Batman done ? Deadshot could have killed him.

Deadshot would kill Frank too so that example isnt going to fly. Batmans warehouse scene is far superior to anything Frank can do.

deathslash

Originally posted by tkitna
Deadshot would kill Frank too so that example isnt going to fly. Batmans warehouse scene is far superior to anything Frank can do. that warehouse scene can just as easily be countered by Frank's safehouse shootout....

The Sorrow

Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?

Batman is simply... Better. Punisher is generally more brutal (poor Rollins) and likely more adept with small arms but Bruce doesn't need guns. BvS was easily more impressive than the safehouse shootout.

FrothByte

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?

Batman is simply... Better. Punisher is generally more brutal (poor Rollins) and likely more adept with small arms but Bruce doesn't need guns. BvS was easily more impressive than the safehouse shootout.

The only reason Batman survived that warehouse fight without dying or serious injury is because his suit is bullet and knife proof.

Don't get me wrong, I loved that warehouse fight. And I liked it even more because they didn't show Batman as being this invincible ninja that no one hit. He was still human, he still got hit here and there. That made it interesting. Unfortunately, it also shows that he's not quite that skilled or fast.

deathslash

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?

Batman is simply... Better. Punisher is generally more brutal (poor Rollins) and likely more adept with small arms but Bruce doesn't need guns. BvS was easily more impressive than the safehouse shootout. wrong. He killed roughly twenty soldiers and was captured later. It's odd that you forgot the part where micro outright said that Frank let himself be captured.....

Good thing a still recovering Punisher still killed an entire cell block full of prisoners in h2h. Good thing an out of practice punisher still easily killed three armed men with a sledgehammer. It especially good that a much less experienced or ruthless Frank still killed numeroes armed soldiers on his own.

TheVaultDweller

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Wasnt that where he was captured at the end and needed saving?

What? He butchered everyone when they raided the warehouse. He got captured in the end when he intentionally gave himself up to get a shot at Rawlins and Russo. He and Micro still prepped the video beforehand to capture the footage that was coming, for Midani. So, even that was part of Frank's plan. And it's a strategy he has pulled off before. He intentionally got himself taken by the Irish in S2 of Daredevil, in order to get close to their leader so he could kill him.

quanchi112

Originally posted by tkitna
Deadshot would kill Frank too so that example isnt going to fly. Batmans warehouse scene is far superior to anything Frank can do. No, it isn't and the point is super skilled shooters have a huge advantage against Batman. Frank also is a helluva hand to hand fighter.

quanchi112

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What? He butchered everyone when they raided the warehouse. He got captured in the end when he intentionally gave himself up to get a shot at Rawlins and Russo. He and Micro still prepped the video beforehand to capture the footage that was coming, for Midani. So, even that was part of Frank's plan. And it's a strategy he has pulled off before. He intentionally got himself taken by the Irish in S2 of Daredevil, in order to get close to their leader so he could kill him. Sorrow clearly hasn't seen it and his killer point is Batman is simply better. That's how to not debate because it's pure bias.

TheVaultDweller

Originally posted by deathslash
It especially good that a much less experienced or ruthless Frank still killed numeroes armed soldiers on his own.

Yeah, that was also a good one, and one I was hoping they would do ever since it was brought up during the Punisher court case, on DD S2. He killed like another 20 odd enemy soldiers solo during that encounter as well.

deathslash

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, that was also a good one, and one I was hoping they would do ever since it was brought up during the Punisher court case, on DD S2. He killed like another 20 odd enemy soldiers solo during that encounter as well. and he killed them after eveeyone got pinned down and heavy losses were inflicted on his men.

TheVaultDweller

And I am starting to think Frank is immune to concussions lol. The amount of head trauma that guy can take and still retain control of all his mental faculties, keep steady aim etc. is just insane. He literally had a guy stomping on his head at one point yet, other than the bruising left, showed no lasting effects.

Another random little thing I noticed, and I am not sure whether it was an intentional homage, or a big coincidence. But the injuries Frank receives towards the end of his show, before going off to fight Billy, is extremely similar to the injuries Daredevil picked up at the beginning of S1. Broken ribs, deep stab wound and multiple other lacerations, punctured lung, heavy blood loss, and severe head trauma. And it's a testament to how tough those two SOBs are that both were back in action a short time later, after only receiving minimal medical treatment.