Re: [Dyfed] Drovers - Richards/Richard/Richardson

Jennifer Cairns via

3/15/2015, 8:53:34 AM

My thanks to all who have responded this week... Anne/Yvonne, Pat, Achwr, Rachel, David,
Heulwen, and Anna.
Dear Anna
Many thanks for your helpfulpoints. It is definitely you that has the Evan
Richards/Llangadog, and not thisparticular Richard(s) clan I am lookinginto at the mo.
The question marks for DavidRichards and son Evan Richards had managed to fall off via my
haphazardpasting technique. Apologies.
I was interested in “your” EvanRichards who, (according to the info I acquired via
Genuki), had a son John,also born around 1815, and I had been checking to see if there was
any possiblefamily link. Alas, none at all as far as I can see. (Ty Uchaf as name of
dwellingin both villages was not a problem, justa coincidence). 1798 LTR records show
several Richard(s) households inboth villages incidentally.
There is a John Richards dob c.1815 in both your tree and my Llandybie tree who I cannot
find anywhere else atthe moment, for some odd reason... even though in various censuses
theLlandybie version claims he was born in Llandybie/Llandilo... anyway will lookat this
problem from a patronymic angle as it were. I have totally failed totrack him down in the
1841 and 1851 census.
Thank you for reminding me repatronyms- my Cilcennin/Ystrad gg grandfather Richards
whostarts off my Cilcennin Richards strand was baptised David Richards (1808), hisfather
shown as Richard Evans - my ggg grandfather.
CARMARTHEN ARCHIVES shut for theforeseeable future. I had been thinking of a visit tothe
Carmarthen archives (I only live about 20 miles away), but checking first(fortunately)
with their web site am saddened to find that they say they areclosed because they have a
serious problem with mould. It is worrying to learnthis.They are closed, and they suggest
only limited help from local libraries,so hope the mould gets sorted. I will post this
info separately, and hopethat I am wrong again. I am posting this info separately as well,
in case a list member has more info.
CATTLEDEALERS/DROVING connections
I have asneaking suspicion that as this family is not/may not be as rooted in Llandybieas
I imagined, there might be a faint chance of finding some drovingconnections, if I get
lucky. Genuki alsohas an interesting quote from a paper on a possible rivalry Welsh v Scot
Cattle trade...
“In spite of the growingimportance of the Scots cattle trade, the early years of the
nineteenth centurywitnessed the arrival of thousands of Welsh store cattle into England,
forsubsequent pasture and stall fattening.” [Welsh Cattle Drovers in the
NineteenthCentury 1]
Other Richard/Richards/Richardsondrovers
(but no connection as far as I know with Llandybie)
So there are some to be found..
1881 and1891 Census – DevonEdwinRichards, Drover, born 1851 Newport
Monmouthshire/Wales1861 CambridgeThomasWilliam Richards, Baptism 1861,father’s occupation
– Drover1901 GreenwichCharlesRichards, born 1871, Islington, Drover And Anna’s find -
Richardson connection in Carmarthenshire with Scottish links John CrowRichardson of of
Pantygwydyr, Swansea and Glanbrydan Park, Llandeilo fawr I liked Thomas’s great
suggestion that someone with anoticeable Welsh accent might have been taken for a Scot in
other parts ofthese islands... a happy thought. Ireplied separately re the history of
droving in Scotland and copied to list. TheLlandybie John Richards dob c.1815 has a known
wife - Mary stated as being 20years younger than John, and their marriage I cannot trace.
She may have been asecond wife, and there is a curious gap of ten years between the given
dob oftheir first child and the second and others who then came along quiteregularly. This
also makes me wonder whether the eldest child is from anearlier marriage or relationship
of some kind.
Manythanks again. Jen Apologies - I have omitted previous correspondence as the Dyfed
List bounces back everything to me, on the grounds that it contains HTML... so clearly
dubious !

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