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Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

O.K. I don't expect any of you at this late hour to care much, but I'm about to say some extremely extreme things to people in the morning because I have been subjected to an entire evening of why that bigot on the stupid show was supposedly ruined.

What offends me most and has kept me up is that they can defend this asshole an turn to me and tell themselves that since they love me so It's Baffling why I'm so unreasonable.

I nearly told one of my sisters to go fuck herself -but I restrained myself.

which is another issue. Why must I restrain MYSELF!

OK yes I know, and so do you, and y'all understand. It's three in the morning and I can't sleep I'm so offended.

I'm seriously considering getting in my car and going home. I would rather spend the rest of Christmas alone than deal with what I'm going to have to say to people I really trusted before this.

It is a shock that my own family - after all these years - would side with the bigot. Am I missing something? Is there some mitigating circumstance?

I've been sitting up unable to sleep feeling betrayed. Isa that wrong?

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It's really frustrating. I come from a really traditional, conservative family so I can somewhat relate.

But you have to remember that everyone has the right to have their own opinion. You can't force anyone to "like" you. Some people may not like you because you're gay. Other people may not mind that you're gay, but they may not like you for a completely different reason. Heck, a lot of people on JUB don't like me, and it has nothing to do with me being gay.

What he said was very crude, but it was based on his interpretation of the Bible. You have to keep in mind that he probably doesn't know any openly gay men, so to people like him, gay people probably do equal pedophiles. And to his credit he didn't only mention homosexuality, he mentioned a lot of other things he considers "sins" too.

I don't think he should have been "suspended." A&E should have put out a statement saying that they disagree with his views & that they have gay employees, but at the same time, they support his right to his personal religious beliefs.

Right now, the losers of this are the gays, GLAAD, and A&E. Remember that Chick-fil-A boycott? Their sales skyrocketed during the "boycott". They are in better shape now than ever before.......they're expanding, actually.

Instead of being combative and angry, we need to grit our teeth and calmly explain why we find his comments hurtful & offensive, without lashing out at people and calling them "bigots." Nobody changes their mind when you call them a bigot. They get more angry and become more resistant to changing their views.

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Originally Posted by JayQueer

It's really frustrating. I come from a really traditional, conservative family so I can somewhat relate.

But you have to remember that everyone has the right to have their own opinion. You can't force anyone to "like" you. Some people may not like you because you're gay. Other people may not mind that you're gay, but they may not like you for a completely different reason. Heck, a lot of people on JUB don't like me, and it has nothing to do with me being gay.

What he said was very crude, but it was based on his interpretation of the Bible. You have to keep in mind that he probably doesn't know any openly gay men, so to people like him, gay people probably do equal pedophiles. And to his credit he didn't only mention homosexuality, he mentioned a lot of other things he considers "sins" too.

I don't think he should have been "suspended." A&E should have put out a statement saying that they disagree with his views & that they have gay employees, but at the same time, they support his right to his personal religious beliefs.

Right now, the losers of this are the gays, GLAAD, and A&E. Remember that Chick-fil-A boycott? Their sales skyrocketed during the "boycott". They are in better shape now than ever before.......they're expanding, actually.

Instead of being combative and angry, we need to grit our teeth and calmly explain why we find his comments hurtful & offensive, without lashing out at people and calling them "bigots." Nobody changes their mind when you call them a bigot. They get more angry and become more resistant to changing their views.

I am a conservative with some liberal relatives. We get together, but we have simply agreed that we will never, never discuss politics. It works.

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I'm seriously considering getting in my car and going home. I would rather spend the rest of Christmas alone than deal with what I'm going to have to say to people I really trusted before this.

It is a shock that my own family - after all these years - would side with the bigot. Am I missing something? Is there some mitigating circumstance?

I've been sitting up unable to sleep feeling betrayed. Isa that wrong?

I think your family loves you & that you should stay. If they didn't care about you at all or if they could not tolerate you being gay, they would have disowned you or told you to never come home again.

Hopefully they're done talking about Duck Dynasty. If they still want to talk about it, try to gently change the subject. If that doesn't work, calmly explain why you thought his comments were hurtful towards you.

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To the OP.

Thanksgiving and Christmas are all about stress. And families pissing on one another.

My advice? Don't say shit if your mouth is full of it. Just let them know that the discussion is over and that you are all apparently entitled to your own opinions and won't change, so arguing is a sterile and negative exercise. But tell them very clearly that the discussion is closed once and for all and that the topic is either over or you are in your car and on the way home because it has upset you so much.

If they are adults, they will respect this. And if they don't, then you should make good on the promise and remove yourself before you lash out.

What you do after this is all to come. I appreciate that you feel betrayed and it is apparent that your own family has some distance to go to fully accept who you are. But this is their journey and not yours. The pity is, you probably won't ever feel as close to them as before but you still share more in common than things that drive you apart.

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^ What Rareboy said.

Reality television is manipulative and dishonest. They carefully construct loveable characters with clever producers and editing. That's not to say he's not a horrible person, or at the least a deluded religious zealot, but the REALITY is that he almost certainly isn't the person your family think he is.

When his 15 minutes of fame is over, your family will still be your family. Don't let some douche on a TV show skew with that. Just make the topic out of bounds and pass the gravy.

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Going home works. I stopped by my brothers once to visit, his wife told him to introduce me to his friends. He said he's ashamed. She went to the store and I went home. Got him in trouble with his wife AND our Mother.
I would go home again without maybe causing an argument. Let them handle the week without you.

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For me, it would depend on whether your relatives defended what he said or defended his right to say it and keep his TV show. If it was the first, I'd get in my car and never look back. If it is the second, I would see it as a legitimate point of view not necessarily (but possibly) based on anti-gay views, albeit one based on ignorance.

Assholes like Sarah Palin argue his First Amendment right to free speech is being violated, without seeming to understand that he is an employee of a TV network and has no First Amendment right to free speech protection from his employer. Palin and her ilk seem not to give a hoot about the "free speech rights" of employees who try to organize and union and get fired by their employers. They only want to protect the employment rights of imbeciles who make racist and homophobic statements.

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

O.K. I don't expect any of you at this late hour to care much, but I'm about to say some extremely extreme things to people in the morning because I have been subjected to an entire evening of why that bigot on the stupid show was supposedly ruined.

What offends me most and has kept me up is that they can defend this asshole an turn to me and tell themselves that since they love me so It's Baffling why I'm so unreasonable.

I nearly told one of my sisters to go fuck herself -but I restrained myself.

which is another issue. Why must I restrain MYSELF!

OK yes I know, and so do you, and y'all understand. It's three in the morning and I can't sleep I'm so offended.

I'm seriously considering getting in my car and going home. I would rather spend the rest of Christmas alone than deal with what I'm going to have to say to people I really trusted before this.

It is a shock that my own family - after all these years - would side with the bigot. Am I missing something? Is there some mitigating circumstance?

I've been sitting up unable to sleep feeling betrayed. Isa that wrong?

This TV buffoon I've never heard of before has the lowest possible opinion of us as human beings. He compares us to pedophiles. We pass laws to control pedophiles and exclude them from everyday society! The obvious consequence of his position is that our lives and our freedom are beneath contempt. He isn't "expressing a different opinion," he is evidence of a hateful cancer that is dangerous to our civilization and to us in particular.

He is the lowest of the low. Why would anyone think my opinion of him should be any higher? Why would anyone think my opinion of anyone who sides with him should be any higher? He really thinks we are subhuman. In reality, it is his values that fail the test of human civilization. In reality it is his views that need to be controlled and contained by the law. It is he that needs to be excluded from everyday society. You don't "just try to get along" with his kind any more than we would try to get along with a pedophile or a nazi.

I don't think it requires shouting to explain that to someone in the family who may be a bit simple and hasn't really thought it through before opening his mouth. But I think that once it is explained to them, they will either see what you mean and come around, or they will make it clear where their allegiance lies. Instead of storming out, have this family relationship on your terms, or let them walk away from it. That's the easiest way to stick to the high ground.

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Hey TX--the same thing is happening to me with one of my sister's who loves the show---she doesn't think it's a big deal as they are hillbillies after all---(with the exception of her, my family are all pretty progressive--but she has always been pro gay, too) I would try to deal with it and make an agreement to not talk about it until after Xmas---I agree with those who think this isn't good for gay people--I expect a backlash---it's all about money in this country and this is the biggest hit ever in reality TV---and it will be hard for A and E to walk away from this---both sides have power---and they are in the middle.

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I agree with rareboy...it's about the best advice I've heard.

On a personal note...it baffles me why people are bending over backwards to defend this guy. It the same thing as the people who've been defending Paula Dean. People seem to think they need to personally defend them. These people are millionaires, the wouldn't go out of their way to defend you. It's just strange and odd.

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TX, I think you might feel less rage and frustration if you tried to identify the source of their hurtful opinions.

Does it come from malice? That is, does your sister really despise gays? Does she really think of gays as kin to zoophiles?

Or does it come from ignorance? I suspect this is the case. Your family cares about you, but isn't able to understand why the homophobia bothers you. Explain it to them, as kindly as you can, as though they are slightly dull children. If they are not trying to hurt your feelings, don't try to hurt their feelings back. Just educate them about how incorrect and disrespectful the DD comments are.

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So, now that I've calmed down a bit.......

The gist of the conversation wasn't them defending what he said, it was how horrible the gays were for ruining his career - with the heavy implication coming from some people that there was malice involved. That we were out to "get" him because he just "exercised" his God given rights.

I'm not going to rehash the whole argument which went into the toilet pretty quickly after that. Suffice it to say that instead of discussing WHAT he said about us (not to mention anyone else) certain members of my family were commiserating with the poor dear and demanding to know why WE were treating poor little 'ole him so terribly.

Why did we have to be so pushy and shrill, and why can't we just be quiet and go live in San Francisco.

Right.

Generally to the table - tolerance is not tolerating the hate. It's not tolerating the "right" of bigots to be bigots, tolerance is tolerating that people are different and we should ALL be treated with respect, and if the Klan isn't willing to do that, they get no tolerance.

You know what, you can say what you want, then you can deal with the consequences. You throw hate, you get it back.

Just in case anyone is interested in the resolution of this sordid and petty little spat - I didn't go home - I'm not leaving and if we have to have that same atmosphere of pins and needles and no one looking at the elephant in the corner - that I survived it when I was coming out - so be it; I'm not running now.

If they want to side with bigots, they can damn well feel uncomfortable about it.

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Originally Posted by JayQueer

I think your family loves you & that you should stay. If they didn't care about you at all or if they could not tolerate you being gay, they would have disowned you or told you to never come home again.

Hopefully they're done talking about Duck Dynasty. If they still want to talk about it, try to gently change the subject. If that doesn't work, calmly explain why you thought his comments were hurtful towards you.

The bigot was the proximate cause of the offense, but not ground zero. The offense was that by implication gay people should not do exactly what he did and say what they mean. It's OK for some bigot but you and I don't HAVE the right to criticize him.

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I'm getting a bit tired of being told how intolerant I am for not accepting people who say horrible things about me.

If I were in such a family, my only comment would be "If you feel more like supporting the man who says such things about me than supporting me, then I guess there's nothing more that needs be said." But I'd stay. I'm much easier to hate when I'm not in the room, I've found.

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Originally Posted by rareboy

To the OP.

Thanksgiving and Christmas are all about stress. And families pissing on one another.

My advice? Don't say shit if your mouth is full of it. Just let them know that the discussion is over and that you are all apparently entitled to your own opinions and won't change, so arguing is a sterile and negative exercise. But tell them very clearly that the discussion is closed once and for all and that the topic is either over or you are in your car and on the way home because it has upset you so much.

If they are adults, they will respect this. And if they don't, then you should make good on the promise and remove yourself before you lash out.

What you do after this is all to come. I appreciate that you feel betrayed and it is apparent that your own family has some distance to go to fully accept who you are. But this is their journey and not yours. The pity is, you probably won't ever feel as close to them as before but you still share more in common than things that drive you apart.

hmmmmmmm.........

I don't like conditional acceptance, so I have to deal with them as they are. It's not all of them. But it gets tiring tilting at this particular windmill year after year after year after year..........

That said the rhetoric on the 'phobe side HAS gotten more vicious and nasty. I can tell that they are getting a lot of this from places like Fox, it's to pat and too consistent to be the spontaneous opinions of various people.

Which is why kiddies, standing up to people like the bigot matters, and making the phobes uncomfortable in their own homes matters. Hate grows where people feel comfortable airing it out. All Southerners know this, it's been a hallmark of Southern racist code speak for three hundred years.

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Originally Posted by G-Lexington

I'm getting a bit tired of being told how intolerant I am for not accepting people who say horrible things about me.

If I were in such a family, my only comment would be "If you feel more like supporting the man who says such things about me than supporting me, then I guess there's nothing more that needs be said." But I'd stay. I'm much easier to hate when I'm not in the room, I've found.

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The one thing to point out is that everyone in the right wing media is flying a false flag and everyone is playing right into it.

It wasn't his comments about the fags that got his ass canned.

It was his comments about the blacks. But FOX and Fiends immediately realized that his free speech rights wouldn't be worth a bucket of spit if he is racist, so they zoomed in and made his exile about his comments on homos.

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TX, I think you might feel less rage and frustration if you tried to identify the source of their hurtful opinions.

Does it come from malice? That is, does your sister really despise gays? Does she really think of gays as kin to zoophiles?

Or does it come from ignorance? I suspect this is the case. Your family cares about you, but isn't able to understand why the homophobia bothers you. Explain it to them, as kindly as you can, as though they are slightly dull children. If they are not trying to hurt your feelings, don't try to hurt their feelings back. Just educate them about how incorrect and disrespectful the DD comments are.

Ignorance with a capitol I, a willful tossed in for good measure, and a dash of Baptist disgust for the Butt Sex.

It's homophobia pure and simple, and they know precisely why it horks me off (I'm not exactly the shy retiring type,) The ones in question know it, I know it, and I can't edumacate rednecks who don't want to be edumacated - plus it's being exacerbated by right wing loons stirring it up for political gain. In the last few years some of my relatives have actually regressed in their tolerance.

They aren't going to disown me, that's not how we roll, but they will (and did) try to make my life a living hell, shun me at family gatherings in an attempt to shame me into line, etc...

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The one thing to point out is that everyone in the right wing media is flying a false flag and everyone is playing right into it.

It wasn't his comments about the fags that got his ass canned.

It was his comments about the blacks. But FOX and Fiends immediately realized that his free speech rights wouldn't be worth a bucket of spit if he is racist, so they zoomed in and made his exile about his comments on homos.

Nicely played there.

I pointed that out and surprise surprise, black people don't have the right to criticize him either. It's his right to say what he means in an upstanding and honorable way and the pink black yellow and brown should applaud the quintessential American-ness of his right to hate speech.

After all saying what he says like that all right out in the open takes a FREE society and lots of courage.

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Originally Posted by bankside

This TV buffoon I've never heard of before has the lowest possible opinion of us as human beings. He compares us to pedophiles. We pass laws to control pedophiles and exclude them from everyday society! The obvious consequence of his position is that our lives and our freedom are beneath contempt. He isn't "expressing a different opinion," he is evidence of a hateful cancer that is dangerous to our civilization and to us in particular.

He is the lowest of the low. Why would anyone think my opinion of him should be any higher? Why would anyone think my opinion of anyone who sides with him should be any higher? He really thinks we are subhuman. In reality, it is his values that fail the test of human civilization. In reality it is his views that need to be controlled and contained by the law. It is he that needs to be excluded from everyday society. You don't "just try to get along" with his kind any more than we would try to get along with a pedophile or a nazi.

I don't think it requires shouting to explain that to someone in the family who may be a bit simple and hasn't really thought it through before opening his mouth. But I think that once it is explained to them, they will either see what you mean and come around, or they will make it clear where their allegiance lies. Instead of storming out, have this family relationship on your terms, or let them walk away from it. That's the easiest way to stick to the high ground.

I hate the high ground, being a petty bitch is so much more satisfying, but OK, if you insist.

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Originally Posted by bankside

...He compares us to pedophiles.... The obvious consequence of his position is that our lives and our freedom are beneath contempt...He really thinks we are subhuman

And yet: It is he that needs to be excluded from everyday society. You don't "just try to get along" with his kind any more than we would try to get along with a pedophile or a nazi.
Its fine for you to compare him to a pedophile, AND a Nazi. Even though all he's done is quote the Bible. His beliefs are misguieded: true. His beliefs are oppressive to us: false. He doesn't see us as a community that needs to be controlled by law or eradicated. He sees us as a community that needs his help to be saved, and to 'inherit the kingdom of god". His comments and beliefs, as warped and wrong as they are, don't come from hate, just misunderstanding. If you actually read some of his interviews too, you can tell that his beliefs come in large part from the times when he was cheating on his wife before he became a religious man.

Originally Posted by bankside

In reality it is his views that need to be controlled and contained by the law.

Oh ya, cuz government control over what we're allowed to think is totally the way to go.

Originally Posted by Alnitak

And who is listening? Certainly not the rednecks who watch Duck Dynasty.

I disagree. A million plus viewers look up to this guy - the types who don't listen to the voices speaking for us. For them he is a cultural icon. What he says matters.

First, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap in those two groups. A lot of overlap.

But I get where you're coming from. As soon as someone becoems a celebrity, or any kind of image/icon which people might listen to, we should just lobotomize them all so they can't HAVE opinions. Avoid the whole debacle before it begins right?

I'm all for mind control, and having the government take charge. We might wanna get on this fast though, or the other side might beat us to it... then who knows, maybe OUR opinions will be the illegal ones.

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The one thing to point out is that everyone in the right wing media is flying a false flag and everyone is playing right into it.

It wasn't his comments about the fags that got his ass canned.

It was his comments about the blacks. But FOX and Fiends immediately realized that his free speech rights wouldn't be worth a bucket of spit if he is racist, so they zoomed in and made his exile about his comments on homos.

Nicely played there.

Exactly. If you're racist in America, you'll be shunned for being so ignorant but if you're homophobic it's suddenly all about "free speech" (hate speech that encourages hate crimes, by the way) and "religious beliefs" That's total bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Musik2400

And yet: It is he that needs to be excluded from everyday society. You don't "just try to get along" with his kind any more than we would try to get along with a pedophile or a nazi.
Its fine for you to compare him to a pedophile, AND a Nazi. Even though all he's done is quote the Bible. His beliefs are misguieded: true. His beliefs are oppressive to us: false. He doesn't see us as a community that needs to be controlled by law or eradicated. He sees us as a community that needs his help to be saved, and to 'inherit the kingdom of god". His comments and beliefs, as warped and wrong as they are, don't come from hate, just misunderstanding. If you actually read some of his interviews too, you can tell that his beliefs come in large part from the times when he was cheating on his wife before he became a religious man.

Oh ya, cuz government control over what we're allowed to think is totally the way to go.

First, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap in those two groups. A lot of overlap.

But I get where you're coming from. As soon as someone becoems a celebrity, or any kind of image/icon which people might listen to, we should just lobotomize them all so they can't HAVE opinions. Avoid the whole debacle before it begins right?

I'm all for mind control, and having the government take charge. We might wanna get on this fast though, or the other side might beat us to it... then who knows, maybe OUR opinions will be the illegal ones.

See, thing is he doesn't "just want us all to go to heaven" the preachers who want that are very different kinds of Christians. This guy wants to FEEL superior, above, holier, etc.

It doesn't matter how many gay people he hurts or how many offended happy darkies there are a'singin' in the cotton fields (Do what ya want, jus pleeze doan throw me in dat dere Briar Patch!), the goal is to inflate himself.

I don't know how I'd respond in a situation like that. I'd like to think I'd be caustically sarcastic and make them feel like they have Down syndrome, but the sad truth is that I don't have a very big family and they're all fairly intellectual, so this kind of spiteful behavior isn't something I've ever had to deal.

Also, if you're all that into licking packages, come visit me in the Chi.

Also do that if you're not all that into licking packages

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Originally Posted by Musik2400

And yet: It is he that needs to be excluded from everyday society. You don't "just try to get along" with his kind any more than we would try to get along with a pedophile or a nazi.
Its fine for you to compare him to a pedophile, AND a Nazi. Even though all he's done is quote the Bible. His beliefs are misguieded: true. His beliefs are oppressive to us: false. He doesn't see us as a community that needs to be controlled by law or eradicated. He sees us as a community that needs his help to be saved, and to 'inherit the kingdom of god". His comments and beliefs, as warped and wrong as they are, don't come from hate, just misunderstanding. If you actually read some of his interviews too, you can tell that his beliefs come in large part from the times when he was cheating on his wife before he became a religious man.

Oh ya, cuz government control over what we're allowed to think is totally the way to go.

First, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap in those two groups. A lot of overlap.

But I get where you're coming from. As soon as someone becoems a celebrity, or any kind of image/icon which people might listen to, we should just lobotomize them all so they can't HAVE opinions. Avoid the whole debacle before it begins right?

I'm all for mind control, and having the government take charge. We might wanna get on this fast though, or the other side might beat us to it... then who knows, maybe OUR opinions will be the illegal ones.

Stop It! This is NOT about free speech...he has complete free speech and the government doesn't say jack shit about it.

I support free speech 100% and that includes the free speech for the people who are calling him on the carpet. You can't have one without the other. This man is NOT a victim.

I am still more shocked at his comments about black people being "happy" picking cotton as if he can speak for an entire race because he saw someone singing....WTF??????

Exactly, but the attempt to silence him will only drive him and his followers to a more extreme radicalism. Their side doesn't need a martyr (vocationally/politically.) Our cause is better served by him having enough rope to hang himself.

Very different. I readily call out bigotry when I hear it on JUB, but the debate is just that, debate. You have not, and will not hear me campaigning to get anti-religion posts banned, or the person censured or censored.

And to your point, the same people who find it acceptable to bash all religion and religionists are some of the most outraged by the Duck guy's statement.

Real hate speech is more than this. This is just a reason to rant.

I'm sorry, I fail to see how remaining silent does anything for us other than validate that guy's bullshit.

And I also don't think I've ever seen or heard of a gay person trying to censor religion... To make comparisons between our outrage at pulpit-spewed hatred and the canning of that lowlife is simply absurd.

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The ducks were millionaires before this show---they don't need this show for money---but the fact that A&E just announced the show will be back with new episodes that will include this duck--shows that A&E calculated that it can deal with the wrath of the gays more then the can deal with the wrath of the hillbillies of this country---

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Originally Posted by Dejavudoo

Real hate speech is more than this. This is just a reason to rant.

Just a comment. Canada's 'hate speech' law has taken a lot of flack in this forum with people calling it an affront to free speech and referring to it as censorship. Phil's comments would not qualify as 'hate speech'. However, if spoken by a public figure, an apology would probably be in order, especially if spoken by a political figure.

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Originally Posted by Musik2400

First, I'm willing to bet there's some overlap in those two groups. A lot of overlap.

But I get where you're coming from. As soon as someone becoems a celebrity, or any kind of image/icon which people might listen to, we should just lobotomize them all so they can't HAVE opinions. Avoid the whole debacle before it begins right?

I'm all for mind control, and having the government take charge. We might wanna get on this fast though, or the other side might beat us to it... then who knows, maybe OUR opinions will be the illegal ones.

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

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Originally Posted by G-Lexington

I'm getting a bit tired of being told how intolerant I am for not accepting people who say horrible things about me.

Lex

This sums it up perfectly. I'm really over people who say horrible things, and get shot down for it then whinging about being oppressed. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to say I think you're a moron.

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Stop It! This is NOT about free speech...he has complete free speech and the government doesn't say jack shit about it.

I support free speech 100% and that includes the free speech for the people who are calling him on the carpet. You can't have one without the other. This man is NOT a victim.

I am still more shocked at his comments about black people being "happy" picking cotton as if he can speak for an entire race because he saw someone singing....WTF??????

Nor did I call him a victim. Just ignorant. Sometimes that can only be helped so much.

Originally Posted by TX-Beau

See, thing is he doesn't "just want us all to go to heaven" the preachers who want that are very different kinds of Christians. This guy wants to FEEL superior, above, holier, etc.

It doesn't matter how many gay people he hurts or how many offended happy darkies there are a'singin' in the cotton fields (Do what ya want, jus pleeze doan throw me in dat dere Briar Patch!), the goal is to inflate himself.

And he's gonna get there by pissing on you.

And by gays he hurts, you mean offend right? Because the thought that the personal opinion of some reality tv icon who's wholly unaware of our existences on this planet, could cause actual pain is a bit laughable. To me it reads: work on your self worth. Aside from that, his need to feel superior affects us in no way, so why should it bother us so much.

Originally Posted by Alnitak

Well you know what? That's how we got rid of open racism. Right minded people shut down the debate and destroyed the freedom to have open racist opinions.

People act like racists in the 1970s all of the sudden came to their senses and just stopped having those opinions. Bullshit! They were silenced as they should have been and sitll are.

Keyword of this post being open. And of course the racists in 1970 didn't suddenly come to their senses.... that's why we still have plenty of them today. And personally I don't think they've been too 'silenced'. Did you know you can apply to become a Klan member online? They actually have their own website... Damn good thing we prohibited all those racist opinions 40 years ago.

I'm not saying anyone needs to like what he said, or him for that matter. I just think we also don't need to care so much.

Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

Originally Posted by Musik2400

Nor did I call him a victim. Just ignorant. Sometimes that can only be helped so much.

See, that's just the thing. Phil Robertson isn't the ignoramus he pretends to be. He actually has a masters degree. As a matter of fact he's something of a college football legend since Terry Bradshaw played second to him. He turned down an offer to play for the Washington Redskins because according to him he wanted to hunt instead of play football.

I'm not saying anyone needs to like what he said, or him for that matter. I just think we also don't need to care so much.

This would be a decent point--if he wasn't on TV. I know it's starting to become exhausting, all the debating we do about who does and who doesn't get on television, but it's not pointless. Some opinions are just too extreme, or ridiculously outdated, to be legitimized even in our society.

What's truly shocking about all this is that it's starting to look more and more like Phil Robertson will return to Duck Dynasty, not in spite of his homophobic comments, but in spite of his racist ones. Since when did saying blacks were happy under Jim Crow, even if you were there, become acceptable as long as you also make homophobic comments? This is shocking. I've never seen such blatant expression of racism by a public figure be completely ignored by the media. I never thought I ever would.

Because the show wasn't really designed to appeal to the gay community a lot of us have never heard of it, and we might be tempted to think it doesn't matter. Duck Dynasty is the most popular show on cable television. It has the highest ratings of any reality TV show ever. This shit matters. It reaches a lot people. Now homophobia and racism have been legitimized by the shows patriarch and the combined forces of gay rights and African American rights are powerless to stop it. This is a disaster for both of our interests.

Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

Are people still talking about this twat? He stated an opinion which was not in favor of homosexuals. So what, it's still an opinion. It doesn't mean that any of us have to abide by his (narrow) way of thinking, but then again in 2013 having an opinion that goes against the tide is pretty much asking for the modern day equivalent of a witch-trial. Just ignore the twat and don't make him anymore popular by feeding into his remarks.

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Re: Duck Fuc**** Dynasty has ruined my Christmas!

If it was me ...I would leave. Before I left I would calmly tell them what I thought and then leave before I lost my temper. Holding things in isn't something I know how to do very well.

Is there any way you can say what you have to say calmly?

This.

Originally Posted by JayQueer

It's really frustrating. I come from a really traditional, conservative family so I can somewhat relate.

But you have to remember that everyone has the right to have their own opinion. You can't force anyone to "like" you. Some people may not like you because you're gay. Other people may not mind that you're gay, but they may not like you for a completely different reason. Heck, a lot of people on JUB don't like me, and it has nothing to do with me being gay.

What he said was very crude, but it was based on his interpretation of the Bible. You have to keep in mind that he probably doesn't know any openly gay men, so to people like him, gay people probably do equal pedophiles. And to his credit he didn't only mention homosexuality, he mentioned a lot of other things he considers "sins" too.

I don't think he should have been "suspended." A&E should have put out a statement saying that they disagree with his views & that they have gay employees, but at the same time, they support his right to his personal religious beliefs.

Of course he has the right to express his beliefs. And it is their right, and privilege, to tell him to go express them somewhere else.

Or they should require him to take Chris Cheng, the Season 4 Champion of the History Channel's Top Shot, on the show at least once a month.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "