USA could soon be at war with Russia over upcoming Russian invasion of Georgia !!!

Well I certainly don't know the future, and anything is possible. But that way of doing things is dated by about 60 years. It's all about
getting people on the global economy and global whatever. They already got the things established out of that kind of chaos.

We even had Russians over here doing exercises and war games back in the 90's.

Originally posted by Advancedboy
And I would be careful stating that all Russian submarines are tracked and could be taken out in minutes. try taking out a single kilo -class
submarine! besides Russians have secret concrete( as in cement) submarines that are undetectable and can be pulled to any location just to wait and
strike.

Beside US fleet in aviation is so obsolete and even with the greatest military budget in US history there is little return on investment. practically
there are no new programms for replacing helicopters( well, I am working on one right now, RAH-68). No new transport helicopter, no large size cargo
planes, no new fire fighting planes, no new bomber programms, etc. Too much money is wasted on software and toy -like UAVs while the real hardware is
somewhat neglected. Where is DD-21? Where is Crusader? Comanche? X-33? CVS-X, UH-x, KC-X? FB-22X? All we see is too much CGI and little elbowgrease
input., at least comparatively to the budget assigned.

Do you have any links for these concrete submarines? I have never heard of this. Also got a chuckle about Mexico protecting Texas. Wtf? If all of this
plays out like you guys are saying, I could see this as China's move to secure some of the oil fields in the Middle East. Unless Ivan hit us with
icbm's, I don't see how they would incapacitate us. As far as Georgia, don't forget our good friends in NATO. If they're attacked, many will be
obligated to step in. I think all of this hinges on Israel/Iran personally.

Originally posted by Advancedboy
Beside US fleet in aviation is so obsolete and even with the greatest military budget in US history there is little return on investment. practically
there are no new programms for replacing helicopters( well, I am working on one right now, RAH-68). No new transport helicopter, no large size cargo
planes, no new fire fighting planes, no new bomber programms, etc. Too much money is wasted on software and toy -like UAVs while the real hardware is
somewhat neglected. Where is DD-21? Where is Crusader? Comanche? X-33? CVS-X, UH-x, KC-X? FB-22X? All we see is too much CGI and little elbowgrease
input., at least comparatively to the budget assigned.

In comparison to Russian military hardware the US is at least 20 years ahead. Russia's army shot down 3 of its own planes last August because they
didn't have adequate comms system between air force and ground forces. Maybe they fixed that, but for every known problem there may be a dozen
unknowns. Russia hasn't been to war very often recently, so I reckon the US would be more battle-ready and experienced.

Anyway who would risk MAD? The elites have to live on the same planet as us.

I believe that Israel could any day now strike Irans Nuclear facilities, and possibly destroy them, but wont be able to do much to in the way of
crippling Iran Militarily, because of the 40,000 or so rockets that will come reigning down from Hezbolah.

Russia will then see this as a decleration of war, and take out the US with possibly the help of China in a massive nuclear strike on the US mainland.

With the US out of the way Russia will then begin it's march down to Israel, with Iran and Turkey joining them on the way.

Russia needs Georgia as a stepping stone to Israel. Thats why Israel is involved in Georgia militarily. It knows that the Bear is allied with Iran,
and that both seek it's destruction.

I believe that Israel could any day now strike Irans Nuclear facilities, and possibly destroy them, but wont be able to do much to in the way of
crippling Iran Militarily. Russia will then see this as a decleration of war, and take out the US with possibly the help of China in a massive nuclear
strike on the US mainland.

With the US out of the way Russia will then begin it's march down to Israel, with Iran and Turkey joining them on the way.

Russia needs Georgia as a stepping stone to Israel. Thats why Israel is involved in Georgia militarily. It knows that the Bear is allied with Iran,
and that both seek it's destruction.

Again I'm just speculating here... it could play out differently.

Israel have nuclear capable submarines along with several NATO countries. If Russia or China made a move towards Israel, any further west into Europe
than Ukraine, or Canada/USA then we would see MAD in all these countries and their allies.

We have been on the verge of WWIII since 1945. No one is going to pull the trigger. If they did, if its the Russians or the US it would mean the
TOTAL destruction of the respective nations.

Its just not going to happen....MAD stops World Wars.

That's why we cannot disarm all nuclear weapons until every country learns to live with each other without the paranoia. Strangely enough nukes have
prevented war. People are easy to denounce them as evil WMD's. But I wonder if they've actually saved more lives over 64 years, than the lives
they've taken.

The US and Soviet Union would have gone to war ages ago had it not been for a nuclear deterrent. Maybe not in 1945, but most likely in the 50's or
60's.

I dislike when people use these figures.
The US Gov't pays out wages x10 that of soldiers in other countries so OF COURSE it would be the highest dude.

How much of that is new jets and air craft carriers?

edit: btw, there will not be a large scale war, never. Those wars were over stealing land, which russia nor u.s wanna do. There were never large wars
fought just outta the sake of crippling ones economy.

So all russia has to do is sit back and watch americas economy go down. no nukees needed.

Originally posted by Advancedboy
Beside US fleet in aviation is so obsolete and even with the greatest military budget in US history there is little return on investment. practically
there are no new programms for replacing helicopters( well, I am working on one right now, RAH-68). No new transport helicopter, no large size cargo
planes, no new fire fighting planes, no new bomber programms, etc. Too much money is wasted on software and toy -like UAVs while the real hardware is
somewhat neglected. Where is DD-21? Where is Crusader? Comanche? X-33? CVS-X, UH-x, KC-X? FB-22X? All we see is too much CGI and little elbowgrease
input., at least comparatively to the budget assigned.

Anyway who would risk MAD? The elites have to live on the same planet as us.

Well if everything operated how it appears on the surface in the public eye, then yes MAD would apply.. but when you have the leaders from BOTH sides
of a conflict secretly working together.. you can have controlled destruction.. and if the New World Order plan calls for the US to say, o i don't
know, LOSE ITS SUPER POWER STATUS, then the powers that be would allow the US to be destroyed with no retaliation. Or if there is retaliation, it
would be controlled retaliation. So no I don't believe MAD applys in reality.

So you are saying that our leaders are going to sit by idly and let us get wiped out? I don't see this as plausible. If we didn't launch mainland
missiles back, surely there would be a sub or two that would launch after seeing the mainland destroyed. The politicians might not do anything, but I
don't think our Admirals and Generals would stand for it. Not one second.

So you are saying that our leaders are going to sit by idly and let us get wiped out? I don't see this as plausible. If we didn't launch mainland
missiles back, surely there would be a sub or two that would launch after seeing the mainland destroyed. The politicians might not do anything, but I
don't think our Admirals and Generals would stand for it. Not one second.

I agree the majority in the US army wouldn't stand for it, but they still have to obey orders from the top, and you only get to the top of the US
Military if you are willing to play along with the Elites plan.

And yes, if you remember back to 9/11 not only did our leaders sit back and let us be attacked, they organised the damn thing.. same with Pearl
Harbour... they had intelligence warning of that attack, but allowed it to happen to achieve their goal of having an excuse to enter ww2.

Originally posted by savetimerushonline
Well if everything operated how it appears on the surface in the public eye, then yes MAD would apply.. but when you have the leaders from BOTH sides
of a conflict secretly working together.. you can have controlled destruction.. and if the New World Order plan calls for the US to say, o i don't
know, LOSE ITS SUPER POWER STATUS, then the powers that be would allow the US to be destroyed with no retaliation. Or if there is retaliation, it
would be controlled retaliation. So no I don't believe MAD applys in reality.

Remember 9/11 ?? PROBLEM ACTION SOLUTION.

Hmm those leaders and politicians are the people that you voted into office. They are "people", like you and me. Convincing enough of those people
to make that happen just isn't plausible.

Even if you can somehow establish that they would sit by idly and watch your country be annihilated, then you have enough warships and submarines to
inflict destruction upon your aggressor. NATO article 5 also applies and European allies would be automatically at war with Russia. Russia would be
committing suicide.

Yes I remember 9/11, but I don't remember any evidence to support any of the "truthers" opinions.

It's only a waiting game for Russia and China to sit by and watch the Islamic wars cripple the US.

America, don`t worry, noone is going to wipe you out. your own greed will do the job. It is not about the survival of the strongest. Welcome to new
reality- it is the survival of the fittest!
And why would China need to attack US? They simply pull the plug by euthenizing the patient by stopping to buy US government bonds. That`s why china
is building so much up local consumption , so when the day comes ,it won`t hurt that much. At first they diversify export partners, then they
diversify currency reserves,amd when they simply rake in more currency from other partners than US servicing the debt, China will pull the rug
underneath.

Some simple rules. An object in freefall will gravitate towards ground. A person in freefall will gravitate towards a paycheck. No Armies attack other
countries without calculating return on investment. pain vs. gain.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Does anyone have insight on Russia/Turkey and Russia/Syria relations?

I am just thinking that Georgia may be the stepping stone for the Biblically predicted Russia/Israel war.

[edit on 8/15/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]

Well depends on how you look at.

If we all believe in the NWO then we must take heed of Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, there will be no WW3 until Israel and her Arab sisters wipe
each other out, therefore crushing 2 religions in one go.

Ok well first of all I didn't vote because I live outside the US.. If I had of voted it would have been for Ron Paul, but of course his bid for the
Presidency wasn't succesful because he spoke far too much truth and was constantly rubbished in a smear campaign by mainstream media.

Secondly if America is attacked again, then it will enter martial law.. once that happens those politicians you speak of are going to have NO SAY
whatsoever in the running of the country anyway.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly, all the evidence I needed to know 9/11 was an inside job, was to watch the two towers come down in a blatently
obvious CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, and then to watch building 7 come down in exactly the same way a little later, even though no plane had touched it..

ATS is about denying ignorance, so perhaps you would be better off in another website ???

Somebody questions your beliefs so you wish them to go away. How many layers of protective shielding are needed because of your own
insecurity towards opposing views.

There is no evidence of a controlled demolition. The collapse is adequately explained by the burning jet fuel weakening the steel structure causing a
pancake collapse, with not every girder having to melt at the same time unless you wish to change the laws of physics. The extreme pressure produces
extreme temperature, enough to melt the steel, and air pressure within the building causing building material to be expelled perpendicular to the
collapse trajectory.

There has been plenty of evidence given previously on ATS to show this can occur and does occur in building collapses where the structure on a top
floor is severely weakened, and a pan-cake collapse ensues. In fact videos of such equivalent building collapses by removing one of the building's
floor supports, much in the same way as the burning jet-fuel did in both WTC's, has demonstrated this.

Debris destroyed & weakened much of building 7 from above during the tower collapses. It was expected to collapse at the time.

If you wish to hide behind your ATS slogan and incorrectly declare yourself free of ignorance, then so be it.

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