Aside from day car, kids aren't that bad once you get past the initial investment. Still so worth it. I never thought I would enjoy a kid so much, but I do!

$1400/month is more then both of my house payments combined fyi... I'll stick with my mutt. I don't know what I'm missing by not having a kid so it doesn't bother me a single bit that I don't have one. I would know what I'd be missing not having that $1400/month though...

Not to mention, looking back on it, my parents were amazing parents and still are to this day. Yet I was a complete jerk growing up and they didn't deserve the crap I put them thru trying to learn to be a responsible adult. Getting arrested, drinking in TJ, sneaking out at night, etc... All that crap... Yeah, I'll stick with my dog. I believe I turned out a decent adult but it wasn't an easy road for my parents to steer me towards! Whens the initial investment end? I know I didn't have the money to pay the fines when I got arrested in my early teens or to pay for all the crap I broke, damaged, etc growing up. Even with jobs...

Like I said, I don't know what I'm missing from a parents perspective but I do know what I'm missing from the jerk kid that grew up. LOL I'm quite happy myself without a kid that's for sure!

$1400/month is more then both of my house payments combined fyi... I'll stick with my mutt. I don't know what I'm missing by not having a kid so it doesn't bother me a single bit that I don't have one. I would know what I'd be missing not having that $1400/month though...

Not to mention, looking back on it, my parents were amazing parents and still are to this day. Yet I was a complete jerk growing up and they didn't deserve the crap I put them thru trying to learn to be a responsible adult. Getting arrested, drinking in TJ, sneaking out at night, etc... All that crap... Yeah, I'll stick with my dog. I believe I turned out a decent adult but it wasn't an easy road for my parents to steer me towards! Whens the initial investment end? I know I didn't have the money to pay the fines when I got arrested in my early teens or to pay for all the crap I broke, damaged, etc growing up. Even with jobs...

Like I said, I don't know what I'm missing from a parents perspective but I do know what I'm missing from the jerk kid that grew up. LOL I'm quite happy myself without a kid that's for sure!

Donahoe went under for obvious reasons and the line was picked up by Icon shocks and they ran with it. They turned it into a pretty high end shock company and ditched the fab side of the product line. I probably helped fund his extra curricular activities. I bought a set of his radius arms and was running them on my old ford explorer. This was back in like '01 or '02.

I did the Burro Wash trail yesterday, and I don't really recommend it. Washboard roads the entire time, it was the bumpiest most uncomfortable road I think I've ever driven the Jeep on. If you were thinking about doing it, I'd probably save my day and try another trail instead.

I did the Burro Wash trail yesterday, and I don't really recommend it. Washboard roads the entire time, it was the bumpiest most uncomfortable road I think I've ever driven the Jeep on. If you were thinking about doing it, I'd probably save my day and try another trail instead.

Thanks for the heads up. I was curious about it. Did you air down at all?

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Burro wash is a rocky rattle trap. Unless you're running it at like 2psi on 37" tires to try and make it feel more like a smooth road I personally don't see any enjoyment on that one. A stock 4wd vehicle is really all that's needed to get all the way down to the water and back but man, it's relentless.

Is there another trail to the river that isn't washboard, but technical enough to keep the dooshes out? Theres a decent one to the lake on the Arizona side that's not too bad, but I've seen fifth wheels at that beach. I'm sure more and more people know about it, as more time goes by. Also, I did a kayaking trip with a buddy and his parents about 8 yrs ago. The company dropped us in the water below the dam literally at the pylons and picked us up at cottonwood, I believe. That was an awesome trip. Anyone know of a trip similar to that or anyone interested in setting stuff like that up? If a few of us got kayaks and could organize transportation to and from drop off and pick up, it could be fun. The river was cool an clean with few bugs. I would love to do more of that, but having a pick up spot to load your stuff on down river is definitely the way to go.

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Aside from day car, kids aren't that bad once you get past the initial investment. Still so worth it. I never thought I would enjoy a kid so much, but I do!

My better half who's a few years older than me (but still young lookin) has 4 grandkids and it's always a fun time when they visit, makes me wish I had some of my own but it's probably too late I'd be at least sixty til they were out of the house and kids will probably live with there parents til they're 30 by then

Oh and it's also fun searching the web for hours for the perfect birthday present/toy for a 2 year old that they will throw away in a week