Here is an excellent example of someone who took the boasting of there abilities a bit too far and it cost them (the man in black is a kiai "master" meaning he uses "energy" to fight, the other is a MMA fighter. The kiai "master" offered a $5000 challenge to any mma fighter)

Edited by Drock (01/15/0805:02 PM)

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There is a fitting Japanese word for guys like that: Ahou (Complete idiot).Kiai was designed to SCARE opponents with laud shouts and subtle movements. A crude form of lesser magic, designed for setting an up an attack. This "master's" ego will never recover from that...

Thanks for the link, now I know how I will pay for my studies in Japan!

Though he has never shown me any reason to believe that he is anything other than an average human, I have grown used to being around these people. It almost seemed a shame to shoot him down, but in the end, he wasn't the first or the worse. In fact, I seem to remember an indavidual that claimed to be a son of Aphrodite...though this is amusing at times, I still cannot tolerate them for long.

I myself have seen many strange things in my life. 99% of them are easily esplainable through thoughts of fatige and simple illusions due to lack of mental strength from exaustion.

The only thing I have never been able to logically explain in my own life was a dream that physically felt real and left me weak.

Personally I feel that any "magick" as it were that is even close to possible is just a simple show of mental strength, even a scientist can tell you that things like telekenesis have been studied for years, but turning ones self into a demon is simply impossable. He-they are just deranged.

I am to begin Krav Maga. I little intimidated but very excited. I have been researching various places, instructors and programs and have found one I am confident in and with an instructor who works with tristate SWAT and Tactical Units as well as The U.S. Rangers and U.S. Marshals. I wanted to make sure it was a strictly Kav Maga program and not a MMa mix. nothing against the MMA but. This is what I wanted.

"Ok, you think there is a difference in words describing the situation. But what's the difference in the effect?"

There is an enormous difference. Words have meanings, and you used the word invisibility. If you're using the word 'invisibility' to describe speed, agility, and skill, then you are using the word incorrectly.

The effect is very different. Go back and read the entire post - I believe there was something there referring to the perception of a third person. THAT is the key to invisibility.

In the example I gave of myself, I was the only person who could not see my opponent. Therefore, he wasn't invisible. To imply that not looking at someone makes them invisible is silly. Attaching supernatural or mystical signifigance to a very mundane occurance is where the break between reality and fantasy occurs.

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That would be great if that was the context in which the word was originally used in this post. However, it was not. The context of the string was regarding folks who don't have a firm grasp on reality. When the inivisibility topic came up, it was followed by the confusion as to whether it was due to lesser or greater magic. It was clearly not in the context of the types of invisibility you list.

I'm more than familiar with other uses of invisibility, camouflage, and stealth. Thank you for reminding me.

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Hurries off to order the entire backcatalogue of the Church of Scientology

Edited by Scion (01/16/0805:18 AM)

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