I give up, Nintendo should go third party. One console future here we come.
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Dont get me wrong I am still getting a Revolution simply for a sequel to SSBM, hell I am still playing it(I dont know if that shows how good the game is or how shitty the GC lineup is). But god damn Nintendo completely sucks for third parties. I dont think that third parties will come even if they removed royalty fees all together, that's how hard they suck.

Nintendo should just make games on the PS2, that way I dont need a whole new system for their games, I mean seriously why else get a GC or any other Nintendo console?

I can't complain about any of that. The closest I came to regretting a purchase was Viewtiful Joe. 10 of these titles were born on the gamecube (3 of these were successful enough to move to release on another platform). Most of these games I'd consider A titles (if not triple A).

I take it you weren't around for the N64 days? It's not great, but it is notably better. I'm sure they looking to improve next gen, as well. They've lost a few games recently, but they are much tighter with EA now, for better or for worse (I sorely missed Fight Night 2004).

Besides, look what happened to Sega... they went third party and their software went to hell.

Who cares about third parties on a NINTENDO CONSOLE? You can get those games on PS2 and Xbox. You can't get Zelda and Metroid on them though, which is what Gamecube is for. If you only have a Gamecube then I guess it's your fault since if you wanted 3rd party titles you'd go with a PS2.

Originally Posted by mj1108

Funny how those that want a one-console future rag on Nintendo, but never MS....

XBOX is c00l3r for third parties because most of them see better sales on that platform versus the GC...hence the cold shoulder from most of them towards the GC. Of course, this isn't really new. This was kinda how it went on the N64, as well.

Heh. I was kinda bummed Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2 didn't make it to the GC, nor did Demon Stone (okay, they're hack'n'slash, not really RPGs). I have a PSTwo now, too, so no big deal. Regardless, I usually stick with my PC for my RPG fix.

Dont get me wrong I am still getting a Revolution simply for a sequel to SSBM, hell I am still playing it(I dont know if that shows how good the game is or how shitty the GC lineup is). But god damn Nintendo completely sucks for third parties. I dont think that third parties will come even if they removed royalty fees all together, that's how hard they suck.

Nintendo should just make games on the PS2, that way I dont need a whole new system for their games, I mean seriously why else get a GC or any other Nintendo console?

If SSB:M was the GC's only fighter, you still wouldn't be posing a valid point. Some 3rd parties (esp. exclusives) have made & continue to make a profit off of the GC. If you're referring strictly to the current 3rd party variety, I would agree that devs. aren't supporting it in comparison to the XBX & PS2. So you wan't the sequel, but are unsure if the game is really quality? (*insert rolleyes here*) Back up your blanket statements with hard data numbers. Factor in subpar & oft times 6mos-1yr. late ports, installed userbases, etc. (if such a formula could be done) Is blatant trolling not against the TOS here any longer? The Revolution will have 3rd party support, no console can exist without it.

I think the controllers really hurt Nintendo's third party sales. See, the NES, and SNES, are great controllers, but in a way, very generic. All the face buttons are the same size, and the controllers were much more featured than the competion. ( SNES vs. three button Genesis)

However, in the 32 (64) bit gen, Nintendo made an off the wall, controller, so games like Tony Hawk 1 (2 and 3) controlled worse on the 64 compared to the generic dual shock (extension of the SNES controller and some PC pad made my EA). Also, the N64 had fewer usuable buttons than the dual shock. I mean the d-pad and L button were pretty much left alone. Basically, third party games controlled less than ideal, resulting in a lower quality game, and resulting in less sales compared to the superior Nintendo games where the controller fit the game like a glove. (Mario 64)

The same thing is happening the Gamecube. Who seriously buys SSX, or Tony Hawk GC versions unless it is the only console they own. These versions are inferior as the Gamecube is missing a button (call it z2). In SSX, tricks were removed from the GC version! I know I didn't buy these games.

If my hypothosis is correct, unless the Revolution sells like the NES, taking the world by storm with new innovative gametypes that appeal to the general public , then third party games will suck because the controller will prove too radical from the generic ps3 controller, and the games won't be fun to control. Only third party games dedicated to the Reveloution will stand a chance (like RE4 for GC) of having really good controls.

So I think if Nintendo wants to attract more 3rd party titles, make sure the Revolution controller is generic, and not lacking in features the competiors have (like buttons, and clicky thumbsticks).

Third party situation for Gamecube was much improved. I'd take the Gamecube's third party support over Xbox and yet I don't hear people bitching about XBox's 3rd party lineup. It's just that companies bailed early on the Gamecube to what I can best sum up as videogame politics.

Unless everyone who bailed on GC early on were getting paid to do so, I don't buy the politics bit. No sane company is going to walk away from money on the table through some imaginary politics...they had their reasons, and it most likely had to do with their sales on that platform.

Its that Nintendo have so much bank and yet where are GTA packs for them? Where are the Sega exclusives like VF4,Panzer Dragoon Ortas or OutRun2? How come Microsoft,a newcomer to the gaming industry can lure so much away from a Japanese company like Nintendo? You guys can spin the damage control but anyone who isn't some hardcore Nintendo nut knows whats been happening for years now. The fact is Nitendo have allot of cash and don't do a thing to satisfy their customers who expect better 3rd party support. Theres no excuse. Theyre quite happy posting huge mega profits with their fanbase being forced to buy constabt 1st party games when most everything else smells rotten on the system.

Third party situation for Gamecube was much improved. I'd take the Gamecube's third party support over Xbox and yet I don't hear people bitching about XBox's 3rd party lineup. It's just that companies bailed early on the Gamecube to what I can best sum up as videogame politics.

That's because since 2003-2004, Xbox is light years ahead of GC in terms of third party support.

Take Two/Rockstar and Nintendo have some blood between them, from what I understand, that stems back to the N64 days (before DMA became Rockstar North). No sane person ever thought GTA would be coming to the Gamecube.

Funny how those that want a one-console future rag on Nintendo, but never MS....

Because MS makes f*ckin awesome hardware.

The whole concept of a Hard Drive and Xbox Live are revolutionary concepts that will forever change the industry. You can't say the same with the GC. I think that Nintendo realizes this to some degree, and will come out with thier own creative outlook to how gaming should be. Xbox's Live really focused on the gaming community and multiplayer games.

The DS's focus is more than just another portable game machine...and so I see the Rev being much the same like either of those consoles. It will have some elements that no other console has. As Live was something that wasn't replicated on either the PS2 or GC, even with their network adapters.

For this generation...what you say makes perfect sense. Nintendo could have went 3rd party and the industry would be pretty much the same, they really didn't make a splash this generation. The next gen though, they'll come out with something that will revolutionize games and make an impact. Next gen, they'll have a console that actually means something and won't just be another games player.

MS kicked ass this generation with their hardware. It was literally the best hardware this gen in so many ways. One big reason for this is because many new exciting elements that didn't exist with console games (and even PC games) were introduced.

Nintendo will aim to do the same next gen as well. I think that initially their 3rd party support will suffer, but over time you'll see many unique titles as well.

I think the controllers really hurt Nintendo's third party sales. See, the NES, and SNES, are great controllers, but in a way, very generic. All the face buttons are the same size, and the controllers were much more featured than the competion. ( SNES vs. three button Genesis)

However, in the 32 (64) bit gen, Nintendo made an off the wall, controller, so games like Tony Hawk 1 (2 and 3) controlled worse on the 64 compared to the generic dual shock (extension of the SNES controller and some PC pad made my EA). Also, the N64 had fewer usuable buttons than the dual shock. I mean the d-pad and L button were pretty much left alone. Basically, third party games controlled less than ideal, resulting in a lower quality game, and resulting in less sales compared to the superior Nintendo games where the controller fit the game like a glove. (Mario 64)

The same thing is happening the Gamecube. Who seriously buys SSX, or Tony Hawk GC versions unless it is the only console they own. These versions are inferior as the Gamecube is missing a button (call it z2). In SSX, tricks were removed from the GC version! I know I didn't buy these games.

If my hypothosis is correct, unless the Revolution sells like the NES, taking the world by storm with new innovative gametypes that appeal to the general public , then third party games will suck because the controller will prove too radical from the generic ps3 controller, and the games won't be fun to control. Only third party games dedicated to the Reveloution will stand a chance (like RE4 for GC) of having really good controls.

So I think if Nintendo wants to attract more 3rd party titles, make sure the Revolution controller is generic, and not lacking in features the competiors have (like buttons, and clicky thumbsticks).

Bam there is it. Why my cube sits in dust. but i did buy a wireless controller that mimics the shape of the ps2 controller for the GC. it rocks

I bought a Gamecube for the following reasons: i want most Miyamoto games and i wanted a gameboy player. If Nintendo was a third party and had their games on PS2, i would be living this one console dream right now!!

Worked for Sony. Turned out pretty good for the industry, too. I for one welcome our new Redmondian overlords.

It really is looking bleak on the Nintendo front. GBE (or whatever) will need to be something amazing to stave off the PSP's onslaught, and doing something wacky with the Revolution's controller is the exact opposite direction to go if you want solid third-party support. I honestly don't think Nintendo will ever go third-party. They make too much money to need to do that. I do think Nintendo will be permanently relegated to niche status unless they turn things around in the coming generation.

Publishers don't give a RAT'S ASS about innovation. Look at the NeoGeo... it slayed the SNES and Genesis technologically, but in every other area it was not an option for the mainstream gamer. I support Nintendo's decision to differ from its competition, because pretty much, they have to. Nintendo needs to clearly define what "Nintendo" is because it's a stuffed console market right now.

Nintendo has an advantage because lots of people grew up on the NES (the only home system to ever have 90% marketshare in north america) and the SNES. They love Nintendo. Even Nintendo haters love Nintendo, because who the fuck didn't play Nintendo growing up? If they appeal to all those Nintendo players who moved on to Sony and MS, I don't see how they can't suceed.

Nintendo has an advantage because lots of people grew up on the NES (the only home system to ever have 90% marketshare in north america) and the SNES. They love Nintendo. Even Nintendo haters love Nintendo, because who the fuck didn't play Nintendo growing up? If they appeal to all those Nintendo players who moved on to Sony and MS, I don't see how they can't suceed.

I don't really care as long as I have my Mario, Zelda, and distinct Nintendo game fix every few years. The problem with going third party though is it may cripple Nintendo's ability to make the games I like and love.

Animal Crossing probably would not have been made if it was a 3rd party title for the PS2.