Who, by virtue of all these listed activities and many more, was deemed a threat to the government? Read the bills. The only thing missing in them is your specific name. All of this brought to you by the Republicans during the Bush Administrations.

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So now Bush and the neo-cons are blameless? And you want the Republicans back?

For all of you out there beating the drum for Republican’s to take control of both houses of Congress, I have to ask: Were you in a coma from 2000 to 2008?

While I surely do not support the current administration and its globalist agenda, and, while I believe Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid represent a clear and present danger to the country at large, I find them no more repugnant than say, Karl Rove or Tom Delay; their personalities and intentions no less malignant than those of the neo-cons who set the overthrow of the sovereign United States into motion. I find them equally as frightening in their contempt for us, as I did Dick Cheney and his crew of fascist driven cohorts. And now you want to put the masterminds of this coup’ back in control? What is it you think will change? What is it that you think these psychopaths and sociopaths are going to do to better the current crisis in our government?

How quickly and conveniently so many of you have forgotten that it was the Republicans, lead by the neo-con faction, who gave us the unconstitutional:

Patriot Acts;

John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007; a bill which gave the president the unlawful authority to:

declare anyone of us a domestic terrorist for resisting the growing tyranny of our own government;

to strip us of our citizenship without due process,

to jail us indefinitely without charges,

without notifying anyone of our whereabouts and

denying us access to legal council.

Who condoned and encouraged the illegal wiretapping and spying on American citizens for no apparent reason other than there was nothing we could do to stop it.

Who entered into unlawful civil assistance agreements with foreign nations to allow the use of their troops against us on US soil, just in case we get too upset over the loss of our freedom

Created the behemoth Homeland Security Department, a collecting of more than 21 intelligence agencies under one roof for no other purpose than protecting the Corporate Federal Government…FROM US!

The creation of Fusion centers in every state dedicated to intercepting emails, phones calls and collecting every piece of information they can on us

Creation of the FBI’s Infragard ; community leaders empowered to use deadly force to protect the infrastructure in case of an emergency (strange: since we own virtually none of our infrastructure having seen large portions of it sold off to foreign investors)

The absolute deregulation and oversight of banking, housing and Wall Street largely giving these greed driven fools a license to steal…..and they did.

The militarization of our local law enforcement agencies, now all under the control HSD, and many departments now an active threat to the public.

The refusal to secure the southern border

The creation of the Security & Prosperity Partnership, the framework for the North American Union, ending our sovereignty and national identity once and for all.

WE are the focus of every bill that came down; not foreign terrorists. It was our rights that were taken away. It was the citizens of the United States who were punished for the attacks on 9/11. There isn’t a foreign terrorist out there who gives a rats rear end what laws we pass regarding terrorist activities; not that we have actually passed any laws that would pertain to them. Every law passed, every right taken away, every right violated and every penalty assessed was levied against the citizens of the United States. So who is it you think the Republicans with their neo-con leaders were focused on? Foreign terrorists…..or you?

Who, by virtue of all these listed activities and many more, was deemed a threat to the government? Read the bills. The only thing missing in them is your specific name. All of this brought to you by the Republicans during the Bush Administrations.

The Democrats, doing their part to subvert our Constitution and our sovereignty, have expanded and enlarged an ever more tyrannical centralized corporate government. The Republicans if voted back into control will just continue the process.

We have no real options. The Democrats have been just as malevolent, just as malignant, just as destructive and contemptuous of us as the Republicans. Changing who gets to be in front of the camera first will not change the direction our country is headed.

We need a vote of “no confidence” on our ballots. If our elections truly do mean anything, if our votes really count, we need the option of saying “no” to any and all.

The situation has become one not of “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorist’s” (Bush 2001), it is instead:

The political party “out of power” will promise anything to regain power while the one “in power” will promise anything that will continue to give them the larger number of votes cast – applicable to any democratic government. In the US of recent decades the Democrats and Republican political parties are mostly indistinguishable – each trying to outdo each other in enacting laws/directives/regulations that are “in the interest” of the country or “for the general welfare”. Concepts have been and continue to be utilized that do not exist. A “country” does not have interests nor is there “general welfare”. Only individual humans have values and make decisions based on them, while governments, no matter the political party, interfere in the voluntary mutually beneficial interactions of individuals.

Additionally candidates and representatives of both main parties count on citizens not remembering the negative results of their times “in power”, and all the results are negative when examined closely. So………

Imagine an election and no one came…. Those who did vote cast write-ins for “none of the above” or “abolish the office”, or even “no confidence” as Marti has suggested…. What a message that would be to those who seek to rule!

At the same time, the questions can and should be asked, “Why does the individual still need to be ruled by others? Is there not a better way now to achieve social order than by some centralized governing body to which an individual can, at best, only have an effect if part of a majority casting votes for a particular candidate/bond/referendum in a particular election?”

The nature of human beings does not automatically lead to the conclusion that individuals must be ruled by others in order that there be orderly interactions between them. Society, just like any other natural system can be naturally self-regulating by means of interactions between its members, if only humans seek to discover and are allowed to implement the methods by which such self-regulation can be effective, rather than continuing to embrace social systems that need to be constantly held in an unnatural (and very unoptimal) state of balance by the operations of their rulers and other influencers. Individual self-order without rule by others is the social system whose members are fully adult (particularly meaning self-responsible) humans. Just as people can become physical adults, so can they become psychological and social adults – if only they are allowed (and even required in the sense that they will not achieve their desires unless they do) to socially mature sufficiently.

Understanding the social interaction methodology by which more individuals would progress to become fully socially mature adults requires a paradigm shift in thinking about human interactions.

The point of no confidence would be to not allow those 2 votes to seat anyone. If 100 people voted and 75 voted “no con” no one takes the seat. The no-confidence vote won. You of course are right that if we had this option……every attempt would be made to convert it to the scenario you laid out. The point would be not to let this kind of political crap take place. Marti

Let’s go with that “no confidence” vote thing. Say 90% – or even 100% – of the electorate turned out and voted that way, “no confidence,” but one person voted for the D candidate and two voted for the R candidate. None of the NC votes would be counted, just thrown out. It would be declared that only 3 votes were recorded and the R candidate won two to one. A great victory for the R’s. The R’s and the D’s make all the rules for the elections and would not declare the polling null and void, just disappointing in it’s turnout. Even if the election results were thrown out they would keep holding elections until someone was chosen or it reverted to a court/judge to pick a winner, declaring the electorate in this case as being non-cooperative but a seat had to be filled. The system was set up this way because “they” know it is possible the electorate might rebel and no one who isn’t them is going to hi-jack their process or use their own system against them.

Although I was formerly a Democrat, I did attend Tea Party meetings in the beginning. These were a cross -section of people..not about the Rebulicans. Then they were co-opted by Glenn (help! I’ve got Vicks in my eyes)
Beck and Sarah (I’ll say anything for a buck but have no idea what the words really mean) Palin. Now instead of policy and the crisis in government we are back to the irrational fear and hatred of anyone who isn’t them.

Be careful talking about the Constitution, the FBI, CIA, HSD, and of course the Southern Poverty Lie Center have deemed those of us who invoke the constitution as “domestic terrorists”. Imagine that…in our country to be declared a threat for speaking aobut our founding documents. marti

So you want to start a Constitutional Party, why didn’t you say so. That kind of sounds like the Tea Party, that is rallying support for more conservative-constitutional candidates, voting out RINO’s and Old Dog Democrats.

Why would a Consitutional government become anarchy? lawlessness? Thats quite a stretch but one used routinely when ever it is suggested that what we are given to choose from as candidates is not acceptable, and/or that a “no confidence” vote should be an option…..then its anarchy? We will break into all out lawlessness? Seems to me what we have for government now on either side is lawlessness and corporate anarchy…..how’s that workin out for ya? Marti

We need to be able to vote “no confidence”. We need this also on the state level. We should not have to go through some long arduous process to recall a rotten politician. We should have the right to hold a special election and vote “no confidence” and remove them from office. This could not cost any more to the public than allowing some corrupt, corporate flunky to remain seated.
Marti

It kills me how these people still hang onto that republican ,democrat stuff. but the last thing my eyes are wanting to see is big fat karl rove or any of that bunch parading around again. If I have to hear one more of these call the name of God I hope He squashes them like a big fat bug. We have saying in these parts:

i cant believe any of these jokers have the nerve to get out in public and make all these promises they dont intend to keep. makes me think they think we are all stupid. like your idea of a no confidence vote. that would send a message. if eough of’em cant get seated they couldn’t call congress into session could they? Did you see where the right is trying to bring that newt gingrich guy back/ He was enough to make you hurl last time around–now a bigger puke than ever. if pelosi gets any weirder looking she coudl be banned form public view. shes a piece of work. that woman scares the hell out of me. makes me think of a vampire

The electorate exists to provide the masses plausible deniability. Excuses instead of results. Those elected regardless of party affiliations, are there to prevent us, the masses, from having any direct say in the rulemaking we live with.

Amen sister marti! We have nobody to vote for. Its either fascism or socialism and both isms produce slaves. I am not going to listen to all the talk about god either from the right. Palin is a joke and the rest of them are almost as pitiful as she is. I wonder if these poeple who think the Reps still even matter realize they are the same bunch that lied them to death lasst time around. look what that got us. liars. all of them on boht sides.