What isn't rhese days ?If you really don't what anything "mined" about yourself, you'd almost have to walk around draped in a "burka" like those muslim women who are aolmost completely hidden under their clothes.

The point of this thread? To point out that a lot of people who were waving the flag of Patriotism and Freedom before the election are people who actually have no love for the United States whatsoever.

Bush was just as bad or worse than Obama when it comes to taking away our individual liberties and engaging in illegal activities, yet many of the people now signing sucession petitions were all in lock-step with Bush.

Signing a sucession petition is the ultimate TeaPublicTard temper tantrum.

People, something is happening here. I am being stalked AND likely hacked.

The above reply wasn't sent by myself although I had copied the link to that video, ready to use it in my reply - which I didn't. I just wrote the reply to the other poster.

This is a public, open wifi connection I am using here, and I know for a certainty when I arrived here, there was someone sitting exactly at the place I was going to sit, and who was sitting right opposite to me a few days ago.

Further proof: every hour I have to click to open up the connection for another hour of free wifi.

This time (5 minutes ago) I didn't get the portal site; I had to wait and click several times. When I got it, it wasn't the same as before: the characters changed, they look different and are somewhar larger now.

This clearly indicates I am being stalked and monitored - AND annoyed.

Maybe I should better leave ths location. This is goihg to be difficult.

What a bunch of fucking morons. You don't even know what you are signing for. Texas tried secession in 1861 and lasted a grand total of 3 days. Turns out it's fantastically expensive to run your own country! Talk about escalating taxes! Who'd a-thunk it, right? What dumb shits Texan Tea Party members are.

What a bunch of fucking morons. You don't even know what you are signing for. Texas tried secession in 1861 and lasted a grand total of 3 days. Turns out it's fantastically expensive to run your own country! Talk about escalating taxes! Who'd a-thunk it, right? What dumb shits Texan Tea Party members are.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25009119

If we are so stupid why does it bother you that someone is considering leaving?? Seriously? Whether or not it would work out for Texas, I don't know...but what is the big deal about having a conversation? If California wanted to secede, I bet the rest of us would be like, Ok, bye! I mean you can still visit the place!! Why the huge surge of anger and resentment????Cause you need the money? that is all I can think of, cause the way some of you liberals speak, you wonder why ANY state would want to stay.

What a bunch of fucking morons. You don't even know what you are signing for. Texas tried secession in 1861 and lasted a grand total of 3 days. Turns out it's fantastically expensive to run your own country! Talk about escalating taxes! Who'd a-thunk it, right? What dumb shits Texan Tea Party members are.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25009119

Me, I am not advicating secession or anything else. I am an outsider who is watching interestedly what is happeing in your country, and some developmengs are a bit worrying.

But I have to say, when Kosovo got independent they clearly didn't think it would be too expensive to run their country.

For starters Belgium poster I don't expect you to understand anything a Texan or American wants for a govt. Secondly we have been living under tyranny for some time in this country since the civil war. The nanny state we live in is a corp. for the shareholders of the corp. The people are not shareholders in this corp. we are employees of the corp in every way shape and form. Lastly tyranny comes in many disguises and has been slowly pushed upon the american people in the form of income taxes, regulations for everything under the sun all for the greater good suposedly. Income taxes do nothing for the people and never have. These Taxes pay back the interest to the bankers who loan the money to the govt. There is a wealth of info out there and if you are truly interested in real history i would suggest going to a libary and starting there and forget everything you have been taught. Shit most americans don't even know the real history just what they have been told.

WAKE UP AMERICA"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President."A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

Let us not forget that these united sates were formed out of secessation. The USA split off from england to form their own government. there is nothing more american than secessation.

Quoting: Green Akres

Very true and correct. Sadly though most here in the United States are either unaware or afraid of the truth. Heaven forbid they are told anything outside of their little world that might make them use their brian.

WAKE UP AMERICA"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President."A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

What a bunch of fucking morons. You don't even know what you are signing for. Texas tried secession in 1861 and lasted a grand total of 3 days. Turns out it's fantastically expensive to run your own country! Talk about escalating taxes! Who'd a-thunk it, right? What dumb shits Texan Tea Party members are.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25009119

If we are so stupid why does it bother you that someone is considering leaving?? Seriously? Whether or not it would work out for Texas, I don't know...but what is the big deal about having a conversation? If California wanted to secede, I bet the rest of us would be like, Ok, bye! I mean you can still visit the place!!

Why the huge surge of anger and resentment????

Cause you need the money? that is all I can think of, cause the way some of you liberals speak, you wonder why ANY state would want to stay.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1405576

lol

In a bad marriage, if a wife were married to a serial wife abuser and she proposed talking about separation but the husband beat her for even thinking about it, and said "there you go stupid bitch...how dare you say I'm a bad husband...that's what you get for even thinking about divorce..."

....wouldn't it kinda just prove her point?

don't know why...thats what some of these discussions remind me of

No one is seriously talking about secession, but the topic interests me, because it is an attempt to seriously begin a discussion about renegotiating the terms of the relationship with the federal government

people can insult and threaten those petitioning all they want...it won't make them go away, and it may just serve to ignite the fire even more

What a bunch of fucking morons. You don't even know what you are signing for. Texas tried secession in 1861 and lasted a grand total of 3 days. Turns out it's fantastically expensive to run your own country! Talk about escalating taxes! Who'd a-thunk it, right? What dumb shits Texan Tea Party members are.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25009119

If we are so stupid why does it bother you that someone is considering leaving?? Seriously? Whether or not it would work out for Texas, I don't know...but what is the big deal about having a conversation? If California wanted to secede, I bet the rest of us would be like, Ok, bye! I mean you can still visit the place!! Why the huge surge of anger and resentment????Cause you need the money? that is all I can think of, cause the way some of you liberals speak, you wonder why ANY state would want to stay.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1405576

lol

In a bad marriage, if a wife were married to a serial wife abuser and she proposed talking about separation but the husband beat her for even thinking about it, and said "there you stupid bitch...how dare you say I'm a bad husband...that's what you get for even thinking about divorce..."

....wouldn't it kinda just prove her point?

don't know why...thats what some of these discussions remind me of

No one is seriously talking about secession, but the topic interests me, because it is an attempt to seriously begin a discussion about renegotiating the terms of relationships with the federal government

people can insult and threaten those petitioning all they want...it won't make them go away, and it may just serve to ignite the fire even more

Quoting: IssueX

WAKE UP AMERICA"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President."A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

What people don't seem to realize...these are historical trends and they tend to be world wide.

the late 18th century, when we had our revolution against Great Britain, soon after the French had their own revolution and there were other moves for independence across the world.

It was in the air...the same philosophers and economic ideas which had propelled us inspired others as well

... just as the revolt against the Catholic Church began across Europe and the UK, resulting in the Protestant Reformation and people taking back their religious rights from Rome which had grown too greedy and corrupt.

and everytime, the rebellion starts over unfair taxation. (or in the case of the church tithes, indulgencies) and increased regulations. People finally do reach a breaking point...

Across the pond Greece, Spain and perhaps even Italy are debating whether they want to be part of the European exercise in overreaching centralized government, and here in the US we seem to be starting on a similar path...China is starting to hear grumblings in outlying provinces as their economy cools

The next decade there will be more unemployed, less money all around the world and sovereign governments are beginning to collapse under massive debt and their own weight,

...and we all know the number one reason for separation and divorce are fights over money...

Very true most folks today do not truly care or give a rats ass about anything else other than themselves all the while being complacent to what is happening all over the world. If we don't learn from our mistakes we are destined to repeat them. If you dont know where you came from how do you know where you are going and it doesn't matter where you go there you are. WAKE UP AMERICA

WAKE UP AMERICA"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President."A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."

Very true most folks today do not truly care or give a rats ass about anything else other than themselves all the while being complacent to what is happening all over the world. If we don't learn from our mistakes we are destined to repeat them. If you dont know where you came from how do you know where you are going and it doesn't matter where you go there you are. WAKE UP AMERICA

Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01

eventually there is a trigger, who knows what it is

I suspect it will come down to one of these

1) increased medicaid/medicare taxes as a result of the 'affordable healthcare act', which may push some states over the tiping point if the economy slows and tax revenues continue to fall

2) Carbon taxes which may be that tax which breaks the camels back...working their way into everything, especially transportation and delivery, adding to food and energy inflation already pushing many into poverty

3) Restrictions and overreaching EPA proposals on increasing oil and gas production in the rich O&G states, even as events overseas serve to drive up the price of imported oil

or

4) Showdown with one of the states which passed legalized marijuana laws

The last one should be very interesting, a) because they were passed in overwhelmingly democratic states and b) because those states are in deep debt and the taxes raised by legal sale of marijuana could quickly help ease their economic problems.

I have no idea why the Feds keep provoking a showdown with states where the people have overwhelmingly spoken. What is the big deal?

Here in Texas I'm told that they have very strict laws against possession or smoking weed, but I could give a rats ass if California wants to sell it on every street corner

More power to them, and if it bring billions in tax money, hallelujia, may more states follow their lead.

If governments continue to demand austerity through painful cuts in jobs, services and benefits, while deliberately standing in the way of municipalities ability to raise legitimate revenue through creative thinking then I think we may see another provocation for rebellion.

Texas has always had tough drug laws and most likely wont be changing them any time soon. I do applaud those folks who have instituted a change in their society with the decriminalization of mary jane. With that said though the folks at the federal level don't believe that the sheep know whats best for themselves. A showdown is coming one way or the other between the states and gubmint, just what is going to start it is yet to be seen. With the seccesion movement growing by the day it would appear that folks are waking up to the fact that they have been lied to and decieved and that could be the spark that ignites the fire. WAKE UP AMERICA

WAKE UP AMERICA"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President."A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."