I agree the ban and HOF should be separate issues. He broke a huge rule and I don't disagree with his life time ban. I think the hall should be judged separate and he should get in based on the player he was.

Jidady k26 long day I probably overreacted. I just took the way it was worded the wrong way. Like I said I love reading the breakdowns you guys give and the way you show the stats to back it up. I just hate when the "old" ways are thrown out just because they are old. I think all the numbers are useful when used in accordance to the game. I agree the object is to reach base and not get out. Call me old fashion I still like the good ole eye test lol. Later.......

this statement is a large reason I dislike saber metrics. New numbers don't just erase the old numbers. They all are important if you use them correctly. You need to look at them all. No one number is the only one to be viewed. I've said it on here so many times I'm even tired of hearing it but I have talked to many baseball guys who have said sabermetrics are not used as much as fans use them. It's just another tool used in the process. I love reading you, k26, and 567 post the numbers and talk about how they apply, but we disagree if anyone says they are all that matters.

Ok coming from someone who liked Frenchy and always hoped he would put it together, and also someone who refused to let myself fall into the same place with Heyward. Frenchy was fun to watch and when he came up looked like he was going to be a homerun machine. Heyward came up also expected to be a machine with high average to go with it. Neither lived up to the hype, but to compare to 2 is laughable. Heyward when clicking had the ability to be a game changer, but didn't stay consistent. French did become consistent as in consistently bad. Defensively JHey had way more range while Frenchy had the cannon to make highlight reel. I understood the trade and agreed Heyward should be traded but he was by far the better player between the 2.

I'm not exact on the numbers but I think it was 5 mil range year 1 and 2 mil range year 2. That's only 1.5 less than the royals offered. That's not what I call lowball. With the contracts guaranteed it doesn't matter what year the money comes. Granted between the 2 offers I would have taken the Royals too especially with a 3rd year option of 10mil. I get you point I'm just not sure I can bash the FO for doing probably the same thing I would have done.

I don't think they did offer Beachy. I wouldn't have either. He never even made it back before having his 2nd surgery. I wish him the best but I wouldn't bet on it. Medlen on the other hand I was a huge of. I had hoped he would be brought back but I understand not taking the the risk. Do you remember the actual offer?