Private sector is only good for making cheap arms and are completely incompetent in making high end arms. So, don't even think about private players in high end stuffs. It is waste of time

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What is your opinion of Bharat Forge and L&T? Are you aware that ISRO sources its components from the private sector in India? Are you aware of what the SED of Tata Power does? Where do you think missile components are made for the strategic arms programs?

What is your opinion of Bharat Forge and L&T? Are you aware that ISRO sources its components from the private sector in India? Are you aware of what the SED of Tata Power does? Where do you think missile components are made for the strategic arms programs?

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The components of missiles are not that high tech as you want them to be. The real high technology components are electronics, rocket engine, heavy tank engines,guidance system and working parts. The parts like explosive, propellant chemicals, steel frames etc are relatively simple.

You don't design air intakes for an engine, but for a specific airflow. Tte intakes were designed for around 81kN and not for 90+ that MK2 was aimed on, so re-designing them, including the other changes is an issue, that's why MK2 got delayed.

You don't design air intakes for an engine, but for a specific airflow. Tte intakes were designed for around 81kN and not for 90+ that MK2 was aimed on, so re-designing them, including the other changes is an issue, that's why MK2 got delayed.

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You need to know few very basic things about designing aircraft. LCA is a RSS design which is inherently unstable and needs control inputs to stay stable during flight. Being a RSS design, the stability margins play a huge role in its performance and any design change or weapon integration which goes outside the limits of this CG margins will require re-calibration of FBW system requiring re-writing of codes and followed up by testing. Re-designing intakes does not change CG location as such.

Lol if you think ADA won't have a prototype available by 2025, they are even more incompetent than I believe. How do you expect them to provide our forces with an operational AMCA between 2030 to 35, when they don't start testing and certification by 2025?

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LOL if you think they will.
The earliest AMCA dates used to be 2015. Your own link states 2020 as the previous due date for TD-1. DRDO cannot even predict what will happen 6 months from now. They've been claiming LCA will get FOC by the end of the year, since 2014 lol

All MK2 changes are limited to the center-, possibly the rear fuselage, since radar, IFR and MAWS will be integrated in the MK1A before (splitted upgrade!) The engine implementation, the air in take changes and even the plug to lengthen the fighter will be focused on the center fuselage section only.
Cockpit section, wings tail fins... will remain the same.
So upgrading older versions to MK2 standard is not the issue, but developing, testing and certifying that upgrade standard will take time.

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You forgot to add -'and a miracle happens here'.

So chief engineer Sancho will 'simply' swap out the fuselage of the old Tejas and fit in a new one to make it Mk-2. No technical hurdles. No accounting for the delays faced by IAF as it's new fleet is put for rebuilding.

Which is nonsense as I already explained, because by 2025, HAL itself should have an FGFA production line running and we will have the SE production line too. Not to mention that the work for the industry is far higher on these 2 fighter productions, simply by the fact that they add up to twice the amount of fighters compared to LCA on order so far.

So neither Indian aviation industry, nor IAF will need an MK2 production line for new fighters, but to fix the problems of the older versions.

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Which is bollocks as license production is not going to provide our industries anywhere near the level of domestication as our own thing. Most of the sub-suppliers will remain in the country of origin and HAL/SP will assemble components using kits provided by the seller. All Tier-2 \3 suppliers shut shop, period.

IAF is dangerously short of fighter numbers and with pending retirements of MiG fleet as well as upcoming retirements of JAG, MIRAGE will remain so for a loong time. Even 42 is just a minimum figure that doesn't take into account Chinese build up.

You have so far made zero points. Reality doesn't agree with you either as Mk-2 development continues unabated. Just as well.

The USAF has invited the Scorpion to be part of a light attack fighter program.

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Not really, because inviting them, doesn't mean that they are part of the development as you said in your last post, when you tried to draw a line to the F16.
Also they were only invited to a demonstration:

The first set of demonstrations, which will be held this July at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico, could potentially lead to a program of record, but as of yet no formal requirement exists for light attack aircraft.

Btw, the F-16 too started off as a lightweight fighter. It eventually evolved to its current avatar. Hence, the entire logic of light fighters not being part of any major air force requirement is utter rubbish.

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Lol now you are comparing the F16 with the Scorpion, just to deny that there is no need for light class multi role fighters in major air forces?
The Scorpion is limited to light attack only and is just a niche aircraft. The USA had invited it for the advanced trainer replacement too, but they backed out, because it had to make too many changes to increase the performance, to be an advanced trainer and you are comparing it to LCA?
According to your logic, we don't need LCA, but armed Hawks or HTT40, which however doesn't work in our threat environment, because we don't fight IS or Taliban.

So chief engineer Sancho will 'simply' swap out the fuselage of the old Tejas and fit in a new one to make it Mk-2. No technical hurdles. No accounting for the delays faced by IAF as it's new fleet is put for rebuilding.

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Hehe, faced with the reality and by the lack of arguments, you have to move to sarcasm now. The "old" Tejas point is funny too, given the fact that even the first MK1s will hardly be 10 years old by then.
But the technical hurdles as said will be in designing and changing the internals of the fuselage, not in fitting them to the parts that doesn't change.

license production is not going to provide our industries anywhere near the level of domestication as our own thing.

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Which you were not talking about! You said that stopping the production for new fighters, will stop the work for the Indian suppliers, which is evidently not the case because "Make in India", doesn't have to be "Made in India" according to the government. That's why foreign engines or radars for LCA, build under licence production, is work for our industry! Just as licence production of FGFA and SE radar and engines, is twice the work for our industry!!
Also when you want to improve domestication, new LCAs doesn't make sense either, because the bulk of foreign parts will be in the 123 MK1 and 1As. So upgrading them by implementing more indigenous systems, increases the Indian content, just as we see with the coming MKI upgrade.

Not really, because inviting them, doesn't mean that they are part of the development as you said in your last post, when you tried to draw a line to the F16.
Also they were only invited to a demonstration:

Lol now you are comparing the F16 with the Scorpion, just to deny that there is no need for light class multi role fighters in major air forces?
The Scorpion is limited to light attack only and is just a niche aircraft. The USA had invited it for the advanced trainer replacement too, but they backed out, because it had to make too many changes to increase the performance, to be an advanced trainer and you are comparing it to LCA?
According to your logic, we don't need LCA, but armed Hawks or HTT40, which however doesn't work in our threat environment, because we don't fight IS or Taliban.

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I am showcasing to you, that, there exists a role for light fighter aircraft. If you had read the full article, you would realise it is being envisaged to take over domestic air interdiction roles from other planes. Not by me, but the USAF Air chief and their Air Command head.
However, Air Force officials — including Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein and Air Combat Command head Gen. Mike Holmes — have postulated that a buy of light aircraft could help mitigate certain readiness and training concerns. The service’s current inventory of aircraft is already overtaxed with worldwide operational missions, leaving few resources for high-end training. If it decides to purchase a small fleet of inexpensive, production-ready light aircraft, low-end missions could be offloaded to those planes, leaving its more sophisticated aircraft free for training and operations where specialized capability is needed.

I guess, you will agree once the order is placed. Till then, well western airforces know best, I guess? You yourself are stating that it was rejected for trainer purposes, but now is being seen as a light fighter. What does that tell you? I am telling you the exact same thing. You do not need a medium role fighter for doing a light fighter's job. Is that now what they are saying too?

Your entire assumptions and reasonings are based on an assumption that air tactics are unidimensional in nature. They are not. Every air force has its strategy in place. We do not need strategic bombers, because they are not part of our doctrine. We need light aircraft for air interdiction and additionally perform the role of CAS. Cheap to operate.

Do not make ludicrous comments. The LCA has better performance characteristics than both the planes you sighted. Btw, the F-16 when it started off is exactly where the LCA was. It was fine tuned over a period of 40 years.

The components of missiles are not that high tech as you want them to be. The real high technology components are electronics, rocket engine, heavy tank engines,guidance system and working parts. The parts like explosive, propellant chemicals, steel frames etc are relatively simple.