I am with you, Pogo. Mr. Will has gone round the bend. I think, like many in his mileau, he voted for Obama. Closet socialists. I blame the public schools for teaching our children about the socialist agenda. Get 'em young, right?

People like to pretend that there are two different, opposite "sides" who are fighting ideological battles in Washington, but when you get down to it, it's all powerful people laughing over elegant dinners at our expense.

I receive the townhall updates and in the past posted there...now i can't even log in and i don't miss it. i used to think mr. will was a smarty but now think that is because my father thought he was. now i think he is just another townhall elitest who can't be bothered.

No one actually pays any attention to how folks dress. No longer do "clothes make the man."Should I ever be on trial for my life, I would care less what my lawyer wears into the courtroom, nor how much it insults the judge.... Yeah, sure!

rhhardin said...I've boycotted townhall forever for dimming the lights with web page crap that slows the computer to a crawl.Just get the article in the "print" format and get out of the main site. Very ugly site.

Look, George Will is a dork. An old dork. Sure a lot of jeans look like crap but are casual khakis or wool dress pants better? It's just another version of the same dreaded conformity to the "undifferentiated herd".

The main difference is the looser pants cover up the incredibly poor bodies of most men. Add a jacket with shoulder pads and the average potato man looks less potatoish.

Not all jeans are created equal.But I agree with Althouse shorts on men are almost always very wrong

Rural field laborers and ranch hands wear jeans and work shoes/boots for very good reasons. So Will does not want to see anymore jeans worn at Whole Foods because that style irritates him. That is a pretty small minded complaint coming from a Washington insider. Suppose the military veterans from Texas start wearing jeans too. That whould shake up these Washington Taipans even more.

I have seen George Will wearing a trench coat on TV. Yet he is not an infantryman in the trenches of World War I. I have seen George wearing a vest and bow tie, the garb men used to wear to keep their necks and torsos warm in old english houses without central heat.

He seems very aware of this discordance in others, and totally blind to it in himself. he should read Alison Lurie's "The Language of Clothes." Great book.

Also a tech question for rhardin: I set up my account as "John" and there is another John here (I think I came first, but he posts more often, so OK he can have it). How do I change my posting name?

And Ann, nobody is saying you make as many self-important literary references as George. But you do care a lot about what other people wear. To some of us, that is a little weird.

I guess as I get older I am having that reaction -- of cranky curmudgeon -- more. But for me it is mostly girls in jeans that show their butt cracks and their love handles spill over the sides. Which to me desexualizes them, as they try to sexualize themselves. So maybe I am having the same reaction as you.

Not only that, this was not even his idea, but one long riff on an article by one Daniel Akst, in the WSJ.

In other news, people wear basketball shoes when they're not actually on the court. And, unlike the conformists of the James Dean era -- by which I mean Ozzie and Harriet -- they do not wear neckties and cardigans when lounging around the house. Nor do they wear demure dresses and aprons.

Which reminds me: what does he suggest for men's casual pants, other than the durable denims? Chinos? Khakis? Never describe a problem without suggesting a solution.

George Will is a well known westphobe, hating all things that come from west of the Mississippi.

So, of course, his fashion sense will reject all things denim, where instead of adult men being in love with violent video games they instead fall head over heals for men who dance in fancy ball rooms--a much more realistic portrait of the world, of course.

Good effort by Pogo with "Howl" - as the priggish Will would have written it.

Look, the guy was a good commentator back in his day, which was before my time in the Doonesbury-Carter years I guess. But then this guy just settled into DC writing his predicatable stuff and droning on TV as a boring antipode to the equally berift of thought and boring Bill Moyers. (who actually was once something).

Will complains about men frozen in time. Dressing as they did as kids 40 years earlier. Not dresssing as a "better" when their wealth rises to a level they should show their lessers their class distincions. He is sort of harumphing that blue jeans are our version of the Mao suits 800 million Chinese wore. He counsels billionaires to start showing their clas distinctions a little more proudly - "I'm a billionaire. I wear pants made of virgin vicuna wool, and a shirt made of microfiber spun on the Mir space station costing 3300 dollars a yard. Simply to proclaim I am a true conservative who wears things you can't afford instead of blue jeans". "Because you can't see me in my private jet and 62,000 sq foot oceanfront home, my attire should better reflect the vast gulf between me and the rest of you and make you envious and embrace conservatism, so you can aspire to be like me..."

And rails we want to be James Dean and Marlon Brando 50 years too late.

Living in the past.

So what is Will's advice?

This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly. Got it!

1930s Social Register de rigure top hat and tails for the men.1950s Grace Kelly Bouffants, ankle length chiffon dresses, and torpedo bras for the women

George Will is a complete and utter douche. He is one of the tired old collection of lap dogs trotted out as a "conservative" voice when he drips condescension and arrogance from every oily pore. No better example can be found of his anti-diluvium attitudes about life than his totally predictable rants about baseball. He will go on and on about the designated hitter and the strategy and mystique of National League baseball with it oh so exciting double switches and pitchers batting .069. Typical of the long winded bores who want to tell you about the "good old days." Well a three run homer by a fat fuck like Big Papi beats the shit out of a double switch every single time bitch.

When I was a corporate nonentity, I wore a Brooks Bros suit of sufficient stuffiness to make George Will look like Sporting Life. Two observations: No one wears a suit and tie on a hot summer day because they want to. No one wants to park their money at a firm where the nonentities wear Metallica t-shirts and cut down jeans.....In my working life I wore a suit and tie not to impersonate a grown up but to impersonate a man who respects the conventions. Nowadays I wear jeans almost exclusively save for the occasional wedding, funeral, or hanging. I'm not trying to imitate a rebel or an adolescent; I'm just trying to be comfortable.....Maybe dressing for comfort is more a marker of status than luxury clothes. I could not afford to dress the slobby way I preferred until I was well into my fifties. Rock stars and internet millionaires dress that way in order to thumb their noses at the corporate rabble who have to sweat the bread.

Trooper says - "George Will is a complete and utter douche ... Its opening day at Yankee Stadium."

Will also wrote a pretty good book on baseball, IMS. How the hell could he have done that when "the whole country has gone full retard socialist"?

Perhaps for the same reason I go to baseball games? Perhaps because our life is sometimes more involved than continually getting our panties bunched up when someone "who should know better in this time of crisis" writes about something kind of silly?

If you could picture Steve Jobs in his denim costume instead of George Will in his bow tie, I think some of you would have gotten it.

His contempt for all sports and "common" entertainment except baseball is but one evidence of this. His attraction to baseball is completely over-the-top--sorry, George, BUT ITS JUST A GAME (and a boring one at that.)

As a political commentator, he gets some things right from my point-of-view, but what's stunning is how often he's thunderously and obviously wrong. I do think a large part of this is his contempt for, and cluelessness of, the middle and especially working classes. (I'm not just talking opinion; his factual errors are legion and largely inexcusable--he is truly one of those people who say "I believe this is true so it is true" even when the contrary fact is staring him in the face.)

Eric said..."That's what I like about the left. If you disagree with them somehow you're not only wrong, you're lying."

He was either lying or he's just plain stupid:

WILL: "According to the University of Illinois' Arctic Climate Research Center, global sea ice levels now equal those of 1979."

Within hours of Will's column appearing, the ACRC had posted the following statement on its website:

"We do not know where George Will is getting his information, but our data shows that on February 15, 1979, global sea ice area was 16.79 million sq. km and on February 15, 2009, global sea ice area was 15.45 million sq. km. Therefore, global sea ice levels are 1.34 million sq. km less in February 2009 than in February 1979. This decrease in sea ice area is roughly equal to the area of Texas, California, and Oklahoma combined."

I hear that tight jeans can cause certain types of cancer.My sister warned me in high school that her attractive friend with the skin-tight jeans complained to her about recurring yeast infections. There apparently is some truth in this. But I don't know about cancer.

The best comment was the first one: "Never take sartorial advice from a man in a bow tie."

From my point of view, his problem is that he rarely has crossed the Mississippi. I got my first pair of blue jeans in the early 1950s when I was maybe 2. I remember my grandparents wearing them. Then, up until the early 1960s, we couldn't wear them to school because of the dress code. Since then, I have worn them most of the time that I haven't been wearing a tie.

But I didn't grow up in the north-east. Nor, did I go to prep school there, nor to the right colleges there. And, so, I never picked up their preferences for other types of pants. So, I still wear jeans - a bit larger now, but very similar to what I wore in high school. Ok, the button fly was silly. Maybe historical, but still almost disfunctional. But other than that, almost identical.

And I work in an office where everyone wears jeans, ranging from 21 to 61 years old. I am happy, even if George Will wouldn't be.

john- thanks, brother. I will continue to fly our flag. I did notice that you are john while I am John. The upper case makes me kind of more George Will-ish, So I guess you win that one.

On the general douchitude of Mr. Will, one time I was at an Orioles game with my brother who lives in DC and Will was there with his son, who has Down Syndrome. I asked about it and the bro (republican and navy officer) said he is famously a good dad to junior. So, while some of his opinions are lame, I can't hate on him SO much. And while Pogo is a witty cat, maybe "full retard" in this context is something we would back off of.

Pogo-That's fine, man. Not trying to PC you. I'm not saying there is anything wrong about the attacker. But considering the possible sensitivities of the target, maybe fair play is best served by whacking him on another front, of which there are many. John

Once there was a group of people on the elevator at the college campus where I work--me and a bunch of college students. There was a really hefty whole-bakery gal in lowriders and spaghetti strapped midriff top. Once she exited the elevator and the door closed, I noticed everyone looking at each other wide-eyed like OMFG!!! I merely said, "I admire her self-esteem" and everyone cracked up laughing.