That's a great match up Shadow. Joe would be hitting him and getting away with it for the most part. After accumulating enough damage I see him stepping in by round 8 to finish the job, if the ref hasn't stopped it on cuts by then.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Skibbz;48358]That's a great match up Shadow. Joe would be hitting him and getting away with it for the most part. After accumulating enough damage I see him stepping in by round 8 to finish the job, if the ref hasn't stopped it on cuts by then.[/QUOTE]

Ohhhh cuts! Didn't even think about that! Joe could cut dudes up, for sure. I could definitely see that happening.

deepwater2 says:

King is almost done but he used to stack cards all the time . These cards were deep. When the fat swiss banker starts his rants about how only he puts on big cards think back.Remember these:

Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States Saturday 13 December 2003

Cory Spinks W Ricardo Mayorga MD 12 12

Bernard Hopkins W William Joppy UD 12 12

John Ruiz W Hasim Rahman UD 12 12

Zab Judah W Jaime Rangel KO 1 12

Wayne Braithwaite W Luis Andres Pineda TKO 1 12

Luis Alberto Perez W Felix Machado UD 12 12

Travis Simms W Alejandro Garcia KO 5 12

The Commish says:

Nice piece by HOF'er Al Bernstein. Boy, do I agree with him on the Don King press conferences. Back in the '80's, writers used to put a stopwatch on King from the moment he stepped to the podium. The over/under was usually 30 minutes. The longest I ever saw him go was something like 51 minutes (the average time for a promoter to be at the podium singing his own praises is around four minutes!).

When Larry Holmes faced Muhammad Ali in 1980 atCaesars Palace, there were lifesize cutouts of Holmes and Ali squaring off against each other at the main entrance to the hotel. Between both fighters was a cutout of Don King, acting like a referee. The cutout of King was not lifesize. If it were lifesize, “referee” King, at around 6'2″, would have been slightly shorter than Ali (6'3″) and Holmes (6'4″). In this case, the cutout of King towered by at least one foot over both Holmes and Ali. Yes, the cutout of King, the fight's promoter, depicted The Don to be over SEVEN feet tall.

That's DK's ego for ya'.

That's why I had to smile while listening to Al Bernstein telling us how a DK press conference is not something he is ever going to miss.

Only in America!

-Randy G.

The Shadow says:

Deep, why do you have to call him all that, though? You chastised me for offending you over making jokes about Cutto, but you seem to really dislike those guys on a personal level.

“Fat Swiss banker…” LOL

Despite your personal feelings towards that camp, can't argue that they put on deep cards and really make an effort to do so. Anything else is just, as Virgil Hunter would say, “Haterism.”

Spill the beans, my dude!

Point is well taken, though, the Don used to put on deep cards, no pun intended.

Remember that card with Rematches or something like that? Had some nice freakin action on there. Some of his heavyweight cards were awesome too. Moorer, Holyfield, Tyson and company on one card.

I believe one card had WBA championship match, an IBF championship match and a WBO match on there.

Then again, Don King could get away with this stuff with his “clever accounting.” He's a numbers guy. And a mobster. Plus the fighters had Carl King as a manager. And he made guys sign blank sheets of paper and would write contract later.

He probably had 50% extra to work with in his budget.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to pull that same BS with a Cameron Dunkin and Al Haymon representing the fighters.

The Shadow says:

Deep, why do you have to call him all that, though? You chastised me for offending you over making jokes about Cutto, but you seem to really dislike those guys on a personal level.

“Fat Swiss banker…” LOL

Despite your personal feelings towards that camp, can't argue that they put on deep cards and really make an effort to do so. Anything else is just, as Virgil Hunter would say, “Haterism.”

Spill the beans, my dude!

Point is well taken, though, the Don used to put on deep cards, no pun intended.

Remember that card with Rematches or something like that? Had some nice freakin action on there. Some of his heavyweight cards were awesome too. Moorer, Holyfield, Tyson and company on one card.

I believe one card had WBA championship match, an IBF championship match and a WBO match on there.

Then again, Don King could get away with this stuff with his “clever accounting.” He's a numbers guy. And a mobster. Plus the fighters had Carl King as a manager. And he made guys sign blank sheets of paper and would write contract later.

He probably had 50% extra to work with in his budget.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to pull that same BS with a Cameron Dunkin and Al Haymon representing the fighters.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=The Commish;48394]Nice piece by HOF'er Al Bernstein. Boy, do I agree with him on the Don King press conferences. Back in the '80's, writers used to put a stopwatch on King from the moment he stepped to the podium. The over/under was usually 30 minutes. The longest I ever saw him go was something like 51 minutes (the average time for a promoter to be at the podium singing his own praises is around four minutes!).

When Larry Holmes faced Muhammad Ali in 1980 atCaesars Palace, there were lifesize cutouts of Holmes and Ali squaring off against each other at the main entrance to the hotel. Between both fighters was a cutout of Don King, acting like a referee. The cutout of King was not lifesize. If it were lifesize, “referee” King, at around 6'2″, would have been slightly shorter than Ali (6'3″) and Holmes (6'4″). In this case, the cutout of King towered by at least one foot over both Holmes and Ali. Yes, the cutout of King, the fight's promoter, depicted The Don to be over SEVEN feet tall.

That's DK's ego for ya'.

That's why I had to smile while listening to Al Bernstein telling us how a DK press conference is not something he is ever going to miss.

Only in America!

-Randy G.[/QUOTE]

He is WILD. Something else that guy is…

deepwater2 says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;48424]Deep, why do you have to call him all that, though? You chastised me for offending you over making jokes about Cutto, but you seem to really dislike those guys on a personal level.

“Fat Swiss banker…” LOL

Despite your personal feelings towards that camp, can't argue that they put on deep cards and really make an effort to do so. Anything else is just, as Virgil Hunter would say, “Haterism.”

Spill the beans, my dude!

Point is well taken, though, the Don used to put on deep cards, no pun intended.

Remember that card with Rematches or something like that? Had some nice freakin action on there. Some of his heavyweight cards were awesome too. Moorer, Holyfield, Tyson and company on one card.

I believe one card had WBA championship match, an IBF championship match and a WBO match on there.

Then again, Don King could get away with this stuff with his “clever accounting.” He's a numbers guy. And a mobster. Plus the fighters had Carl King as a manager. And he made guys sign blank sheets of paper and would write contract later.

He probably had 50% extra to work with in his budget.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to pull that same BS with a Cameron Dunkin and Al Haymon representing the fighters.[/QUOTE]
Because he is a Swiss banker who is fat. You can make fun of cotto all you want but chunto-o is just gross.Whatever kind of mobster king is ,he used to stack cards big time. Schaefer brings nothing new that hasn't been done before. Hater = truth teller in some cases. Just because people disagree doesn't make a hater.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;48491]Because he is a Swiss banker who is fat. You can make fun of cotto all you want but chunto-o is just gross.Whatever kind of mobster king is ,he used to stack cards big time. Schaefer brings nothing new that hasn't been done before. Hater = truth teller in some cases. Just because people disagree doesn't make a hater.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, my friend. I can dig that.

That's true, he's not doing anything the King hasn't done before. But he's doing it better than anyone these days. And we have to admit that, right?

Nice, epic cards you found, though, champ.

deepwater2 says:

I wouldn't say Schaefer is doing much better then anyone else. That puerto rican card was an embarrassment . We shall see.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=deepwater2;48527]I wouldn't say Schaefer is doing much better then anyone else. That puerto rican card was an embarrassment . We shall see.[/QUOTE]

That wasn't a PPV, though.

dino da vinci says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;48423]Then again, Don King could get away with this stuff with his “clever accounting.” He's a numbers guy. And a mobster. Plus the fighters had Carl King as a manager. And he made guys sign blank sheets of paper and would write contract later.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't so much that they were blank pieces of paper as much as he had them sign three separate contracts. One where management received a third, another at 50% and a third signed blank (in the percentage field) contract in the event he could fight the fighter in a state like Rhode Island where they didn't restrict how little the fighter's end amounted to.

I know, because I own some Don King contracts.

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=dino da vinci;48614]It wasn't so much that they were blank pieces of paper as much as he had them sign three separate contracts. One where management received a third, another at 50% and a third signed blank (in the percentage field) contract in the event he could fight the fighter in a state like Rhode Island where they didn't restrict how little the fighter's end amounted to.

I know, because I own some Don King contracts.[/QUOTE]

You would think it's a joke, right? And you really have some? Are there other sneaky things in there? It is incredible that a guy could get away with that.

Radam G says:

[QUOTE=The Shadow;48644]You would think it's a joke, right? And you really have some? Are there other sneaky things in there? It is incredible that a guy could get away with that.[/QUOTE]

“Free Enterprise” allows him to get away with murder. Da Don K has indeed off two and made other disappear. Dude didn't mess with me though. I got away clear. He knows who to pick on and when to stop. And when to pay or lay da F*** off. Holla!

The Shadow says:

[QUOTE=Radam G;48652]”Free Enterprise” allows him to get away with murder. Da Don K has indeed off two and made other disappear. Dude didn't mess with me though. I got away clear. He knows who to pick on and when to stop. And when to pay or lay da F*** off. Holla![/QUOTE]