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see he likes being called out. when he was called skittish by the GM, he stepped it up. tiki comments he stepped it up. when he said he was as good as brady ,people laughed and mocked and Eli delivered . now herm -lets see.

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When did Eli ever play defense? He must have played defense if he beat other QB's because QB's don't play on the field at the same time to say he ever beat a QB. Who was the QB that he beat twice in his own house to go to the Super Bowl twice? Oh, and Rogers is the best QB in the game today.

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I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!

"I'M ALL FOR IT!"

John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!

Wow...what a great post. It is very obvious that some posters main agenda on this board is to try to make any "fan" of Eli feel like they've done something wrong by defending him. Just about every Eli topic eventually spins in that direction...as if they have some sort of phobia. It's as if they feel their main purpose in life is to try to demean every accomplishment and to exagerate any mistake he makes.

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I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!

That's fine. I get that completely. I personally think the "kids table" comment made no sense at all. But clearly he was just trying to be colorful. It IS ESPN after all.
And anyone is free to defend Eli. I would defend Eli in this context because I don't think Edwards was giving Eli near enough credit. Its not the defending of Eli that bothers me at all. Its the attacks on Edwards. Its the suggestion that since he had a losing record as a HC, he has no understanding of football and is in no position to comment on current players. Its the suggestions that posters on a MB, none of whom every played or coached a down in the NFL are therefore MORE credible than this guy.
We all have our opinions and they are what they are. But I knew the reaction wouldn't be "Edwards is wrong and here's why". It was "Edwards is a scumbag and an incompetent".
Thats not really a defense of Eli at all.

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Wow...what a great post. It is very obvious that some posters main agenda on this board is to try to make any "fan" of Eli feel like they've done something wrong by defending him. Just about every Eli topic eventually spins in that direction...as if they have some sort of phobia. It's as if they feel their main purpose in life is to try to demean every accomplishment and to exagerate any mistake he makes.

You are failing to understand my point here completely. My comments have nothing to do with Eli. As I said, I disagree with his point about Eli.
My point is the overreaction of posters to any public comments that aren't glowing of Eli.
And to attack anyone who dares express such views.

Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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Excerpt: "This morning I put on the Colin Cowherd show on ESPN as I was getting dressed, and they bring in Herm Edwards as an expert analyst of the NFL . Herm played 9 seasons in the NFL and coached two different teams compiling a record of 54-74 in the regular season and 2-4 in the playoffs. Edwards was known as a motivator, a rah rah guy that was good for morale. This quote about Edwards as a head coach says a lot:

Overall, Edward’s tenure as head coach of the Jets was marred by chronic clock management problems, an ultra-conservative “play not to lose” mentality, and a lack of any discernable defensive philosophy, despite Edwards’ supposed expertise in the Cover 2 defense.

My point here is that Herm was probably not the best talent evaluator as a Head Coach leading to his poor record and general lack of success…but put a coat and a tie on a guy and he’s an expert. The conversation this morning was the usual off season nonsense until it turned to QB’s in the NFL. Herm made the proclamation…and one that I agree with…that there can’t be 8 ELITE QB’s in the league…there can only be 4. Good point because you are supposed to be comparing them to each other, not some imaginary set of numbers. He prefaced his list with the “In the last FIVE or so years” these are my Elite QB’s….This is where Herm gets lost.

When asked about ELI, he said “He can sit at the kids table, but he can’t order from the menu”. Really Herm?

Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)

Eli also beat your number one guy on the list TWICE in his building to get to the Super Bowl, and then beat the number two guy on your list TWICE in the Super Bowl.Obviously Winning is not a priority with Herm as he evaluates QB’s. Super Bowl Champion QB’s the last 6 years include two of the guys on his list, and the guy who won TWO of the others can’t make the grade.More proof that putting a coat and tie on a guy doesn’t make him an expert." Read more...

Well that's the problem with declaring a QB "Elite" because everyone has their own definition. If you can only have 4 elite QB's, then I think he is correct. But I think that there are 6 Elite QB's - Brady, Rogers, Brees, Payton M, Eli M. and Big Ben (not in that order).