On 31/07/2009 pmonks wrote:>On 30/07/2009 Sarah Gara wrote:>>It'll be fine give it a bath x>>I think you're over-simplifying the effects of various chemicals on nylon...

you are possibly quite right.

if you are that worried give me the rope (hehe) replace the slings and wash the metal... you can't throw so much new stuff away just cos it was placed on a floor for a min that may or may not have remnents of oil or petrol oil or bleach on it.

This is obviously different if it was a pool of oil that it was placed in.

Does anyone remember this discussion a while ago -(may have been on UK climbing) about someone testing a rope strength after it had been bathed in cat pee overnight -it was only reduce by like 6% or something...

All i'm saying is I wouldn't be so quick to write it all off... certainly the cams are worth a wash? x

On 31/07/2009 Sarah Gara wrote:>Does anyone remember this discussion a while ago -(may have been on UK climbing) about someone testing a rope strength after it had been bathed in cat pee overnight -it was only reduce by like 6% or something...

Unfortunately Black Diamond has just redone their website and the old QC lab stuff isn't all migrated to the new site. Here's a copy of the urine rope tests from Google's cache: link

An interesting snippet:

I contacted Pit Schubert who is an expert in climbing gear accidents and testing and asked if he had done any tests regarding urine and ropes. His response is below:

“I made test with ropes and human urine—I put rope samples in a pot with urine over night and sent them to the university of Stuttgart for testing according to EN 892—the result: reduction of the number of falls 30%—after this I had the idea, that a rope in a pot of urine over night is not realistic—so I put only a lot of urine drops on the rope samples, but morning urine (because morning urine is stronger than day urine)—the result: reduction of the number of falls 13%.

Given that a relatively weakly acidic solution like urine can have a detrimental effect on a rope I'd hate to see what something like battery acid would do.

Gutted I can't afford to fly to Delhi to curse all Three Mobile customer care staff...most unhelpful people i have ever had the unfortunate experience of spending 45 minutes, on three occassions, fighting with....

On 31/07/2009 Paz wrote:>Gutted I can't afford to fly to Delhi to curse all Three Mobile customer>care staff...most unhelpful people i have ever had the unfortunate experience>of spending 45 minutes, on three occassions, fighting with....>>Revelstoke powder dreams are fading....>>FUK YOU THREE MOBILE
Yes yes yes! I hate three mobile too! They f---ed me up by making phones 'free' that had a warranty of 1 year and contract of 2 years! Then after 1 and a bit years the phone f---s up im left with no phone and paying money for a contract that doesnt do anything!

exact same thing happened to me....but added to a useless phone they overcharged me round 200 bucks and now say they'll only refund me credit to future bills.....corporate stealing, told them to shove my future business with them up their

You could have pushed another student down a cliff and then you would have conveniently had all the gear to effect a rescue.... You get to do some climbing and be a hero. Win-win... except for the crash dummy I guess... Maybe you should use a manikin rather than a student?