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Beyond the mutation of our subclade (G9932A) we have all at least one mutation, then our common ancestress could be also older than 7500 years and if we'll find someone in Portugal or along the Ocean coast, we could also think that our ancestress was with those agriculturalists from Tuscany or "Grotta delle Arene Candide".

Also DQ112894, published on Ian Logan spreadsheet and belonging to K1a1b1e, is Italian:See: T. Kivisild et al., “The Role of Selection in the Evolution of Human Mitochondrial Genomes”, Genetics Society of America, 2006: Eu25 Italian

Dear Whoknows, but who knows you?I am not a “she” but a “he”, exactly that Gioiello Tognoni K1a1b1e. Why do a few reply to me? For many reasons.1) Mine are scientific observations and to reply to me one should know enough to understand what I say, and evidently there are a few, also amongst many versed in other fields, who get this (see the famous Nordtvedt, Vizachero, Klyosov, or the popular Jean Manco etc.). But I have many friends here, first of all Richard Stevens, who invited me here after my banishments from Rootsweb, Dna-forums and lastly also Dienekes and Maju evidently don’t like me much. But Richard Rocca had the intelligence to not underestimate my theories.2) I am Italian, Tuscan, and evidently Wasp have always some prejudice against us “pizza” and “mandolino”. They cannot say to me “mafia” because I am a Tuscan and of Sicilian I have only the wife.3) But the most important reason is that my theories, which I think are winning along all the line, were against the believing of all, also of the plethora of geneticists and researchers who haven’t understood anything of this stuff so far.

On SMGF there are 24 “Wasp” probably K1a1b1e like me with the mutations16224C16311C16519C73G263G315.1C477C497T

I am waiting that someone test them for the coding region. After I think that my theory shall be recognized by everyone.

On Mitosearch there are two haplotypes like these ones:A9ZQZ, Y6FRN16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 263G 315.1C 477C 497T

I have put XWAU7 with also 16189C.

Another haplotype with 16259Y I haven’t put on Mitosearch because the heteroplasmy isn’t considered.

These all people have an ancestry from the Isles.

To Razyn I say that what he says Jean Manco has said frequently, also lastly on Dna-forums, and asked that an answer of mine were censured (she offended me, I replied with irony), but now is searching to save her theories with these last “Italian corridor”. I am grieving at her.

But probably Behar et al. were unlucky, because this haplotype is probably derived from a previous one without the back mutation in 146, then with 146T (or with a new mutation from C to T)

16184A 16224C 16311C 16519C 73G 114T 263G 315.1C 497T

Even though it is difficult to think to all these back muations, the transversion in 16184 seems very rare and happened before.

There are on SMGF 3 people : 2 Australians of British descend (Quirk) and a Pole, Wolf, of German descend, and we find this haplotype also in the core of the Bell Beaker. Difficult to say by which path.

And certainly this K1a with back mutations in 73 and 263 is noteworthy:

Mary Cain, 1830 County Mayo, Ireland:

16093Y 16224C 16311C 16519C 315.1C 497T

And also Mary Susan Bailey, 1891, Sanford, Colorado, USA :

16224C 16311C 16519C 315.1C 497T

See Mitosearch PESXC and also Z9F22, 4CDDS, 85ABU.

JG Weston says: “Lilian Ethel Ottoway was my grand mother, she may have been adopted”.

And of course the most interesting is 85ABU:First Name: Pedro Last Name: Ramiro Year Born: About 1500 Year Died: Country of Origin: Santa Cruz de la Salceda, Burgos, Spain

I was waiting that the unique person who matches my K1a1b1e at a GD of 1 from the FTDNA people tested, i.e. who has the haplogroup with no other mutation out of the mutation of the K1a1b1e (G9932A) and who could say something about the probable origin of this hapologroup, answered my request, but in vain.But the publication of the samples from the HGDP has answered my question: