If posts are reasoned and clear, and not hypocritical or personal attacks and furthers the purpose of Free Republic it doesn't matter when you signed up.

Some people like to denigrate anyone that signed up after them, and it is usually because they don't have facts to back up there statements and they hope to intimidate more intelligent posters with the sign-on date dig.

I have no desire to look up all of dirtboys nasty putdowns and lies, I'm just glad he backed away and let the thread continue without his histrionics.

AH_LiveRight wrote: "I further contend that FTL is a disruptor from the left, by the tactics used".

You wouldn't know a sarc remark if it was a 2x4 that hit you square between the eyes.

Lets see, where to begin. First you quote the lyrics of "Cult of Personality" to me in some inane babbling previous post. So you dig the band Living Colour eh? Why am I not surprised?

"Living Colour is a prominent all-African American band of the late 1980s. Stylistically, the band's music focuses on lyrics that attack the Eurocentrism and racism of America."

= Libtard Pro-Obama, Pro-Left "Blame America" Music by a metrosexual has-been Leftist band from the 80s.

LOL I can just picture this guy, a baggy pants chain-bling wearing wannabe hip-hopping in trendy Liberal night clubs to the sounds of great tunes like Cult of Personality.

You don't like my "tactics" or what I have to say about your "Dear Leader"? Don't read - period. Or is your DOLT switch set on permanent stupid?

I suggest you secure one 20 ft section of fine hemp rope, throw it over the nearest tree branch and attempt to urinate up said rope  into the wind.

Oh, and enjoy the Obama bashing - especially since you can't do a thing to stop it on the internet or anywhere else. Millions of us will be giving Zero the full "Alinsky Treatment" 24/7 - pretty much because we feel ornery and just plain feel like it. Take your hand wringing, concern trolling to someone who gives a flip what you think. Don't attempt to dish it out - if you can't take it - newb.

For that reason probably any story we hear from the Navy concerning this incident is suspect, and not that giving us a bogus story is a bad thing. I prefer them to have the advantage of secrecy versus satisfying my curiosity.

I agree completely. My great hope is that they would tell us that the Moon is made of green cheese, if doing so was important to keeping our nation or our national assets safe and there was no real way around the matter other than to tell us that. The 'public's right to know' is all well and nice up to a point, but considering that a former 'President' gave nuclear secrets to the Chinese and our current "President" looks like he may damage us far, far worse, I want us to maintain every single tactical and strategic advantage against America's enemies that we can, and if that means that we, the public, might not have an exact handle on precisely what type of cheese the Moon is made of, well, I can live with that.

Finslly found those comments from the crew about the president.... he said it all.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Freed U.S. captain’s crew jump for joy at release

*snip*

“We are very happy. He’s a hero,” a crew member of the Maersk Alabama shouted at journalists amid raucous celebrations aboard the vessel, which docked in Kenya’s Mombasa port after a failed attempt to hijack it earlier in the week.

“We made it!” shouted one colleague, punching the air as a red emergency flare screeched into the night sky. Others hung a large Stars and Stripes flag from a rail high up the ship.

***Another crewman said the pirates had hunted them for days***

before the attack on Wednesday, and he urged Barack Obama’s administration to send more military forces to the region to stamp out the threat to shipping.

“Tell the president to get these guys. It shouldn’t come to that,” he said, referring to their pursuit. Like other elated crewmen who spoke to journalists, he declined to be named.

Sorry don’t get it, that’s a journalistic type of comment,usually when you quote something,either on the air or in print, and you have a source, its just good journalism to mention who your source is....it’s not an ego thing.

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posted on 04/13/2009 5:08:13 AM PDT
by rodguy911
(HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)

I read on one of the "Milblogs" that the Seal Team parachuted onto the Bainbridge at night about 3 days after Phillips was taken hostage.

Gee, imagine that. I said it could have taken three days to get the SEAL team there. I was savagely attacked. If that is true, then it did take three days. I cheerfully admit I was estimating. But everyone told me how stupid I was and that the SEALs would have been there early on when the the escape attempt happened and were held back. Turns out they were not there, but I don't expect the FR armchair general squadron to retract some of their attacks against me.

This from someone who attacked me up and down the thread and doesn't have enough class to ping me when he is mentinoning me. Typical of you. And from another post on this block, on a milblog it said the Seals did not arrive on the destroyer for three days. You get after me for not wording a speculative post properly (it was clearly meant as a 'what-if' scenario). And then you turn around and authoritatively claim the SEALs were held back from rescuing the captain after the first attack, when it now looks like they were not even there. So who is the one making up facts out of whole cloth now? YOU.

I got after the poster in question for trying to label me, someone who has been here for 10 years with over 60,000 posts, as a DU plant or troll when he has been here all of three months and has a pattern of doing such. I did not rip him as a newb for his opinions regarding the subject of the thread.

And thanks for having the class to ping me when you are discussing me. Some folks have been here over a year and still can't bother to do that.

What you "don't get" is that Rush and Levin aren't journalists. Take it from a journalism major and a working journalist/reporter/feature writer for many years.

Rush, Levin, et al are commentators. When journalists get facts from or quotes posters (not linked news stories, but FReepers themselves)from Free Republic, they should source FR in their stories. If Rush, Levin, Hannity, Ingraham, or any other commentator or radio talk show host or editorial writer uses Free Republic for show prep, that is a totally different thing because they are not journalists.

If Rush gets the idea for a rant from folks he overheard at a dinner party the night before, there is no moral or professional obligation AT ALL for him to mention that bit of trivia on his show, just as there is no moral or professional obligation for him to mention it if he gets inspired to do a rant from reading a thread on Free Republic. The only thing they might have to "source" is the original news source, so a Free Republic discussion that starts from a link to a newspaper story published in some newspaper, the newspaper is what the commentator would source or refer to, NOT Free Republic.

IF Rush and Levin and the rest are lurkers or assign staff to monitor Free Republic, as we suspect, we'd all better be DAMNED WELL GLAD that they keep it to themselves, otherwise this site would be inundated with posters and new sign-ups who are here for the WRONG reason. We'd have windbag loudmouths from here to Christmas yammering not because they're in love with Free Republic, but in order to be noticed by Rush and Levin and Hannity et al.

I am very glad that IF Rush, etc., lurk on Free Republic, they keep it to themselves. You should be, too, and you really should understand the fundamental difference between a political commentator and a journalist.

I don't understand your point. Can you try to explain it a little more clearly? As for your idea that Rush has the ability to almost single handedly destroy the msm, that is absurd, and Rush would probably be the first to say so. You put WAY too much on Rush. Top stories on Free Republic are here because some poster linked a source and discussion followed. If Free Republic has a great and lively thread going on a story that originated in an obscure paper in Podunk, Iowa, and Rush brings up on his show a news item that was reported from the same obscure paper, that's good and correct -- Free Republic is not the source -- the paper in Podunk IS. It doesn't matter whether Rush found the link through Free Republic or from an email sent by a resident of Podunk. It matters NOT AT ALL.

Rush isn't a journalist. How would his citing and sourcing Free Republic do anything at all to prevent the MSM from finding "any openings for criticism"?

Sincerely, I really don't get what it is you're trying to say or why you think political commentators who get inspiration and topic leads off of Free Republic are obligated to say so.

Obama refuses to allow the U.S military to make a first move. Cpt. Phillips dives off boat first time and the attempt fails. Navy SEALS are pissed. They know that if they'd at least been in the water in the vicinity, they could have taken advantage of the situation. They request having guys in the water. Obama says no, or maybe even says "Yes, but don't make the first move." SEALS are in the water regardless, and those guys aren't just going to wait around for Obama to make up his mind. They go in, grab the captain, kill three of the guys and take the other to the ship where he was supposedly negotating. The official story that the captain jumped again to protect the SEALS.

Push is going to come to shove with our military with Obama in office.

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I agree that this or some variation may very well be what happened.

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posted on 04/13/2009 9:05:45 AM PDT
by trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)

At the bottom of the tier of talk radio sourcing is not the most important thing, many of those on air guys and gals just basically give their opinion and sometimes source it sometimes not.

At the upper levels, the more journalistic the broadcaster is,covering the who, what, when, where, how and sourcing things well,the more credibility they get.

One of the reasons why Rush is so intent on being right so often 98 or 99% of the time is that gives him more credibility when the drivebys come after him which they always do.

One of the reasons he is so effective is his huge numbers cover a great area. In addition the copy/cat effect of his show alone creates even bigger numbers with other broadcasters picking up on what he has done and using it as well on their shows,both radio tv and print, giving him far more import than the average broadcaster by far.

He has huge numbers sometimes in the 20-25 million arena,few if any newspapers and onoy hannity even come close to his numbers which is why they are so scared of him,he is and will continue to be a force to be reckoned with.

In essence he can have a much larger effect on the overall market for news.

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posted on 04/13/2009 9:38:42 AM PDT
by rodguy911
(HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)

Navy SEALS are pissed. They know that if they'd at least been in the water in the vicinity, they could have taken advantage of the situation.

From what has come out today, the SEALs did not arrive at the Bainbridge until Saturday night, long after the good captain's escape attempt. Schnookering the pirates into allowing a tow line to the Bainbridge was brilliant, whoever thought that one up is pretty slick. It allowed the SEALs to set up sniper shop on the fantail and to have a continual view through the rear window/hatch of the lifeboat.

Schnookering the pirates into allowing a tow line to the Bainbridge was brilliant, whoever thought that one up is pretty slick. It allowed the SEALs to set up sniper shop on the fantail and to have a continual view through the rear window/hatch of the lifeboat.

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Agreed. This was a very impressive performance by the Navy.

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posted on 04/13/2009 10:03:48 AM PDT
by trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)

“Gee, imagine that. I said it could have taken three days to get the SEAL team there. I was savagely attacked. If that is true, then it did take three days. I cheerfully admit I was estimating. But everyone told me how stupid I was and that the SEALs would have been there early on when the the escape attempt happened and were held back. Turns out they were not there, but I don’t expect the FR armchair general squadron to retract some of their attacks against me.”

You said they were not there because they needed to get their act together. I called BS on you and still do. You still have no idea the time between the SEALs having been given mission orders and their arrival.

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posted on 04/13/2009 10:11:32 AM PDT
by CodeToad
(Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)

You said they were not there because they needed to get their act together. I called BS on you and still do. You still have no idea the time between the SEALs having been given mission orders and their arrival.

I said they were not there because they COULD have been training, or it COULD have taken time to get the properly-trained SEALs together and in place. I was countering the unsubtantiated claims by others that Obama had been holding the SEALs back. But I was slammed and my critics all said the SEALs would have been there almost immediately. Turns out the SEALs were not there for four days, and for reasons I doubt (and hopefully for operational security purposes) we'll never know. But all the know-it-alls who attacked me were wrong on their core premise.

You were the one who came up with the 3 day period and stated you assumed they were training or doing mock-ups. You seriously need to stop watching television shows and Chuck Norris movies for your conclusions.

The SEALs train and plan to be anywhere within hours, not days. They forego family and friends, suffer high divorce rates, and beat the Hell out of their bodies all to ensure they can respond as fast as an aircraft or boat can get them there. Yet, you wrongly assume due to your influence from television and movies that they do mockups and train before they ever leave, making for days worth of delay. You are insult and put down those that can get there long before 3 days.

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posted on 04/13/2009 10:54:38 AM PDT
by CodeToad
(Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)

Yet it took them four days to arrive. That was my entire point. The know-it-alls thumped their chests and said the SEALs got there immediately, and some even claimed definitively that the SEALs had been held back from rescuing the captain during his first rescue attempt. I was simply postulating ways the SEALs could have NOT been there within a day. As it turns out, it took four days. And that means the know-it-alls were pulling their definitive claims out of their arses.

OK, smartboy, why did it take them 4 days? You are stating it is because they do not have the capability to arrive any earlier. You assume wrong, yet, you just don’t get that. I don’t know what is making you so stupid but it is really working.

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posted on 04/13/2009 12:06:59 PM PDT
by CodeToad
(Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)

Frankly, I would rather not know the specifics, as that has impact on revealing aspects of the operation that those outside the chain of command have no need to know.

You are stating it is because they do not have the capability to arrive any earlier.

No, I speculated as to reasons. But my critics slammed me and claimed authoritatively that, yes, the SEALs got there quickly and Obama was holding them on a leash. Turns out their authoritative statements were bunk. I at least couched my statements as speculative.

You assume wrong, yet, you just dont get that. I dont know what is making you so stupid but it is really working.

It is truly pathetic to see the levels of derangement folks can descend to on the internet. I speculated as to reasons to try and counter authoritative claims from others regarding claims of a quick arrival of SEALs - and those claims turned out to be bunk now that we have a few facts. Yet I'm the stupid one. Go figure. Seems to me some folks just don't have the character to admit they were wrong.

Since you seem to know it all, tell us when the Navy issued the order for the SEALs to embark.

Boy, you are frothing like a rabid dog now. What we do know is that the SEALs took four days to arrive, for whatever reason - and that is about the extent I care to know. That was my entire point - at the time we were dicussing this yesterday, some were claiming authoritativiely that the SEALs got there quickly and were being held back. Turns out that authoritative claim was false. But instead of admitting that, you are reduced to playground-level taunts.

In other words, you don’t know jack. You’re just another dumb kid looking to be a know-it-all but hasn’t the experience to blow his own nose. You hang out with all the other kids on web sites geared towards wannabees looking to think they are smarter and more experienced than they will ever be.

The SEALs are stationed in that part of the world and could have been there within hours. The fact of when they showed is of no blame of theirs. It was simply when they were ordered to be there. See ya chump.

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posted on 04/13/2009 12:24:55 PM PDT
by CodeToad
(Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)

The SEALs are stationed in that part of the world and could have been there within hours. The fact of when they showed is of no blame of theirs. It was simply when they were ordered to be there. See ya chump.

I am not blaming the SEALs. Another strawman.

And you slither off without any admission that your side was partially wrong. You have no idea about the underlying decision/transit process. I at least admit I was speculating - and entirely to provide a counter argument to a poster long gone from this thread that the SEALs could have acted within the first few hours of the crisis.

Why do you feel the need to disparage the SEALs? Were they getting to much attention for your liking? Are you some kind of Gen-Xer who has to be the center of attention? Maybe no one gave you attention for being on FR posting while they were working?

Try manning up and joining the military and getting a real education about such things instead of hanging out on the Internet talking speculation with a bunch of other wannabees.

The fact remains, the military can place special operations units anywhere on Earth within 24 hours and in most cases within 12 or less. It is what they train to do. Your assertion based on Internet chat rooms, TV, and movies that they need days to plan spotlights your ignorance of the subject.

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posted on 04/13/2009 1:19:27 PM PDT
by CodeToad
(Anyone wanting the government to take over medical care should stand in line at the post office)

Thank you for such a good response, rodguy, and the fact that it was without rancor increases my admiration! Just today I heard Rush talking about that silly German woman who jumped into the Polar bear pond at the zoo -- I bet Rush got that from Free Republic, but I'm glad he didn't say so.

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