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So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. --Bertrand Russell

Wow. Clearly, science and miracles are not the same thing! Who ever would have thought. And that explains everything, in a nutshell. Shut down the forum, turn off the lights, and somebody take out that last bag of garbage by the door. We're done here.

I noticed that. But were your expectations really that high? I mean seriously, have you read his previous posts?

Seriously, I expected him to use a far better apology. This is akin to creatards who claim the Earth WAS flat about 10,000 years ago and it was made round after the Flood . . . heck . . . it was FLAT during Junior's time--the Greeks were wrong! . . . and . . . like . . . it was made round and no one noticed the change.

Heck, I would have hoped he simply tried the "it's a metaphor" excuse.

Seriously, I expected him to use a far better apology. This is akin to creatards who claim the Earth WAS flat about 10,000 years ago and it was made round after the Flood . . . heck . . . it was FLAT during Junior's time--the Greeks were wrong! . . . and . . . like . . . it was made round and no one noticed the change.

Heck, I would have hoped he simply tried the "it's a metaphor" excuse.

--J.D.

No, what he posted was his style of apologetics, unfortunately. That and ignoring any question that he doesn't have an easy answer for.

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"I drank what?!"- Socrates

"Dying for something when you know you'll be resurrected is not a sacrifice.It's a parlour trick."- an aquaintance

Philip of Macedon: (via messenger) If we enter Sparta, we will raze all your buildings and ravage all your women.Spartan Reply: If.

UP trying to justify being concerned about menstrual blood is amusing. Velkyn did a good job of calling him on it. The problem was never that the blood itself might cause disease or anything, it was a "STAY AWAY FROM ME I'M A GUY!" kind of thing. Still practiced by many muslims today. And, I assume, by more fundamental sects of christianity.

If I lived in a primitive society and women in my life suddenly started bleeding once a month, I might get scared too. Armed with the facts, it ceases to be an issue. Why a god would create a biological process that qualified as "unclean" I don't know. However I do understand why humans would include irrational reactions to such a mystery in their made up holy book.

That's the strange part of the bible. Accepting it as something written by humans at a time when there was little knowledge about many things, it makes all the sense in the world. Accepting it as the word of a fairly competent god makes it sound rather silly.

And UP, awe is not a standard of measurement. My son used to be in awe of Elliot the Dragon in the movie "Pete's Dragon", so awe doesn't seem to require truth. (He watched that movie over a hundred times when he was a kid, acting each time like it was the first showing.) Feeling awe is a perfect time to question the origins of those feelings. Because we humans tend to like things that make us feel good, and we often forget to question the validity of such sources.

Sometimes we must.

That mysteries, fear, power and lust conspired to create a "holy text" should be of no surprise. That people still believe it confounds me. But so too do Star Trek conventions, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Carry on UP. Carry on Velkyn. I want to see where this goes.

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Anyone can beat around the bush. But unless you have permission from the bush, you probably shouldn't.