tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post6314092222706669887..comments2016-12-09T03:05:35.152-08:00Comments on John K Stuff: The rise and fall of Construction in cartoons Pt 1 - principles discoveredJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-45012751643753522432010-05-31T08:00:04.942-07:002010-05-31T08:00:04.942-07:00Ok this has filled me with inspiration, I&#39;m go...Ok this has filled me with inspiration, I&#39;m gonna go work on my JohnKcurriculum drawings and kick some ass!<br /><br />I was born in the 80&#39;s and so missed a lot of these classic cartoons growing up.. am catching up now though! Most people my age who like animation seem totally unaware of how awesome it used to be (and so was I), instead being complacent with stiff anime and flat rigged Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00414115641084318334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-15054993782253815312008-05-11T14:37:00.000-07:002008-05-11T14:37:00.000-07:00Holy crap! This is a mind-blowing and possibly li...Holy crap! This is a mind-blowing and possibly life-altering post. <BR/><BR/>I have never read such an honest breakdown of animation history. <BR/><BR/>So many artists today (including myself) have become lazy and forgotten principles because we have become bombarded with flat, stripped-down art for all of our lives. We have grown up to accept bland art, and it infects our own work like a Jason Miskiminshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00425891161083757595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-52431974885089068542007-02-06T11:07:00.000-08:002007-02-06T11:07:00.000-08:00>> I find it odd that any artist, regardless of th...>> I find it odd that any artist, regardless of their background, would actually encourage people to be closed off to a variety of styles and techniques and claim that there is only one legitimate style to work in. <<<br /><br />Do you mean STYLE or GENRE? Style is a manner of doing things, Genre is a particular aim of tone, mood and aesthetics, right?<br /><br />John's communicated stance here Raffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01680153957085998701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-45120245326768571612007-02-05T19:41:00.000-08:002007-02-05T19:41:00.000-08:00I don't think that John is arguing about 'style' i...I don't think that John is arguing about 'style' in any sense... I think he's talking about the elements of the art that make cartoons, cartoons. John's talking about the principles that started and made the medium what it is today... He's argueing that people have forgot the very basic principles of animation. As for style: yes, people blindly follow an artists style. Fine. When people learnbaconbitshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07007467172896352465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-72898857337072875432007-02-05T12:53:00.000-08:002007-02-05T12:53:00.000-08:00To what anibator said...I'm a big fan of alot of o...To what anibator said...I'm a big fan of alot of other guys' work as well. When John talks, he comes from a background of old cartoons and such and while, if you compare Timm's work to Avery's. Yes, there is a lack of something there. Me? I'm a huge fan of Stephen Silver's work, not just for character designs, but overall. John, I'd like to know your opinion on Silver's work.baconbitshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07007467172896352465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-91151303205135678062007-02-05T11:48:00.000-08:002007-02-05T11:48:00.000-08:00Hey, John. Could give us some hint as to when the ...Hey, John. Could give us some hint as to when the Ultimate Ren and Stimpy set comes out, please?John Pannozzihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01533256044605730722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-8008828412007498562007-02-05T11:47:00.000-08:002007-02-05T11:47:00.000-08:00why did construction took all those years to show ...why did construction took all those years to show up in cartoons? Wouldn't it be a logical thing to do? Anyone who studied art would know about construction, even back then. Maybe it was because early animators came from comics and not from the fine arts world?Gabrielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03982785045441494409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-18214378593406978452007-02-04T22:17:00.000-08:002007-02-04T22:17:00.000-08:00What can animation do that no other medium can?
1....What can animation do that no other medium can?<br />1. Charicature (squash and stretch, funny design and motion. ORIGINAL DESIGN with construction)<br />2. MOOD (color, texture...flawless timing with music...style perhaps)<br />3. Badass Action (screw physics)<br /><br />Animation has parallels with Science Fiction. "A good science fiction story can only be told within the science fiction Perhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02745098295954983197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-23178966413414546902007-02-04T14:37:00.000-08:002007-02-04T14:37:00.000-08:00Incredible look at construction from Disney. From ...Incredible look at construction from Disney. From simplified to more complex yet fun and natural then slowly goes down to shit. That Mickey model sheet looks so cool. Super interesting stuff. Hey, John, check out my blog. I made two model sheets of my characters showing construction. They're very generic, but it helped me solidify my characters more rather than relying on the contours on a Pedro Vargashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08417994169854334508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-60341869723889905562007-02-04T11:53:00.000-08:002007-02-04T11:53:00.000-08:00There's a really very good character animator whos...There's a really very good character animator whos name I can't remember (check the extras on millenium actress) but he works on all of Satoshi Kon's films. He does this really beautiful facial animation that's cartoony realistic. They usually get him to do the sitting down talking scenes because he can make them fun and interesting (Sorry for bringing up anime again :P)<br /><br />I recently Timothy Merkshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00979216894917693956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-52505947414373123882007-02-04T06:09:00.000-08:002007-02-04T06:09:00.000-08:00"a non-cartoony/humorous example of organic design..."a non-cartoony/humorous example of organic design and animation?"<br />Walt Kelly's drawings of humans in his non-Okefenokee stories... to be found in the early Pogo books.Ormondroyd's Encyclopedia Esotericahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05636180492565972504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-52110419982602480402007-02-04T05:59:00.000-08:002007-02-04T05:59:00.000-08:00This is your best technical essay yet, and incredi...This is your best technical essay yet, and incredibly useful. I'll be passing on the tip about caricature as a training regimen to my students tomorrow. I hope you're saving the best of these for print someday.Ormondroyd's Encyclopedia Esotericahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05636180492565972504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-26889492946092514922007-02-03T19:20:00.000-08:002007-02-03T19:20:00.000-08:00I noticed that "weaker animator" was Shamus Culhan...I noticed that "weaker animator" was Shamus Culhane. He animated the dwarf's dance home as sang "Hiegh-Ho". Do you also think that was sloppy John ?PCUnfunnyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12802049453366981315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-2185980864427715412007-02-03T17:11:00.000-08:002007-02-03T17:11:00.000-08:00John,
I'm a good "straight ahead drawer" (to stea...John,<br /><br />I'm a good "straight ahead drawer" (to steal your terminology) and I got hooked on your blog trying to improve my drawing skills.<br /><br />I'm not interested in doing animation per-se but I'm hoping to illustrate children's books. <br /><br />So here comes my stupid question:<br />Are consturction priciples more important in animation or are they equally important regardless dwestburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04775482141320676496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-12515117244679446532007-02-03T15:13:00.000-08:002007-02-03T15:13:00.000-08:00LOL! In spite of everything I said I love construc...LOL! In spite of everything I said I love construction and the revolution in animation that it brought about. Flat characters usually aren't appealing and don't stand up to repeated viewings. Constructed characters may take twice the effort to draw but they deliver five times the satisfaction.Eddie Fitzgeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-4518849368617580712007-02-03T13:20:00.000-08:002007-02-03T13:20:00.000-08:00Construction just gives you more planes to move yo...<i>Construction just gives you more planes to move your characters in, rather than just left and right.</i><br /><br />Sometimes flat cartoons try to behave 3d, and usually it makes them look like paper cutouts. It's kind of sad.Gabrielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03982785045441494409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-71538311692282366292007-02-03T11:19:00.000-08:002007-02-03T11:19:00.000-08:00Hey Eddie
I thought you hated flat cartoons!
War...Hey Eddie<br /><br />I thought you hated flat cartoons!<br /><br />Warner Bros. cartoons are constructed and rubbery. So are Donald, Goofy and Mickey and the 7 Dwarfs.<br /><br />You can have construction without having realistic anatomy.<br /><br />Construction just gives you more planes to move your characters in, rather than just left and right.JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-57220877206954722632007-02-03T11:09:00.000-08:002007-02-03T11:09:00.000-08:00wow! An interesting post! Construction definitely ...wow! An interesting post! Construction definitely has made animation much better but the improvement has come at a price. When cartoons were flatter and more rubbery they seemed to contain more imaginative storylines. It's easy to see why. <br /><br />3D drawings are more satisfying to look at but they take longer to draw. This not only makes the film more expensive but it alters the kind of Eddie Fitzgeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-5433193658420718042007-02-03T09:32:00.000-08:002007-02-03T09:32:00.000-08:00Hey John,
Ralph Bakshi spoke of you in a recent i...Hey John,<br /><br />Ralph Bakshi spoke of you in a recent interview.<br /><br />http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1483Max Wardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05733661598407066820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-75838312381923547532007-02-03T04:32:00.000-08:002007-02-03T04:32:00.000-08:00I'm gonna cry eveyone's so angry!!!
>>What if I p...I'm gonna cry eveyone's so angry!!!<br /><br />>>What if I preferred the romance of aforementioned Miyazaki or the edgy fantasy of Heavy Metal to the silly exploits of anthropomorphic ducks and mice -<<<br /><br />>>Then you'd be someone who doesn't like good animation.<br /><br />Or someone who got kicked in the head by a mule when you were a kid.-<<<br /><br />Raff said "prefered", didn't say 'Hrymahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17478208830908696438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-81750767838717281012007-02-03T04:16:00.000-08:002007-02-03T04:16:00.000-08:00John,
Just wanted to call your attention to to ht...John,<br /><br />Just wanted to call your attention to to http://hear-rock-city.blogspot.com/2007/02/ren-stimpy-production-music.html , in case you wanted to either do something about it, or share it with your fans.Josephhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11595912745549704863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-21507798639413198572007-02-03T01:36:00.000-08:002007-02-03T01:36:00.000-08:00haha, i just watched this Mighty Mouse episode tha...haha, i just watched this Mighty Mouse episode that spoofs Scooby-do, among other stuff. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKm3Ol1EqYU">link</a><br />I wish John talked more about that show.Gabrielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03982785045441494409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-42783669164493460372007-02-02T23:56:00.000-08:002007-02-02T23:56:00.000-08:00Actually, I used Disney examples precisely because...Actually, I used Disney examples precisely because they AREN'T very cartoony.<br /><br />I wanted to separate good drawing principles from style or cartooniness.<br /><br />Good drawing applies to any style.<br /><br />This post is not talking about cartooniness, it's talking about skill.<br /><br />I'm not gonna post anymore comments about anime, so save those for an anime blog.<br /><br />If JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-9169845069797329652007-02-02T23:22:00.000-08:002007-02-02T23:22:00.000-08:00Playing Moderator,
Gotta remember that John K. has...Playing Moderator,<br />Gotta remember that John K. has pointed out that this blog is opinionated, and yet a lot of his observation about animation i think are completely correct and well justified/explained. Im interested in doing dramatic type of animation (better then anime) and I find that a good amount of stuff that John teaches has great fundamentals that can be applied to a WIDE range of Billy Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08120644915040045228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-13038766653179311072007-02-02T21:57:00.001-08:002007-02-02T21:57:00.001-08:00Is it just me or does it seem like those meddling ...Is it just me or does it seem like those meddling Scooby-Doo kids are just floating in that image?<br />http://bp0.blogger.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/RcN4B12gBFI/AAAAAAAAAeI/0BCxOKAZVAU/s1600-h/Scooby-doo-meddling-kids-1970.jpg<br />Why is that John? Is it because of the background or the colors? The lack of a contact shadow, or the way their feet are drawn. I just don't want to make the same mistake.The Gaber's Sketchbloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09183860309760762069noreply@blogger.com