Advances

Here is an issue to fix. Clan A starts an advance. Clan B starts and advance. After the first battle, Clan B, we'll call this team "LAOD" switches all the players out of the Advance and puts in a whole new team, this team is 500 PR better than the team they queued with. WG should have the Advance based on the Clan average PR instead of the team average is Clans are going to go to the effort of gaming the system.

Does a 500 pr difference really matter? We face clans differing on a range from Bulba/-G-/Vilin to clans i have never heard of. I don't think getting matched with "LAOD" based off 15 of their players and then fighting with 15 of their other better players is a problem.

Let's say for a second this is in fact happening and is in fact impeding other teams from progressing by this sneaking way of greatly improving their odds.... how video game companies haven't foreseen and STILL can't see this kind of behavior before hand without putting up safeguards is beyond me.

well, ok, I threw a number out there, team B was more like 2000 PR different, the point remains, settling up an Advance with a bait and switch team is just trolly. WG has spent some effort trying to build the player base by making the environment more friendly for everyone and these tactics are destroying that effort.

Maybe Clan Wars should be required to submit a list of RSVPd players in their Clan? If those players don't show up for a match, only designated "secondarys" already on the list could 'fill in.' If there is no listed secondary, that position goes on the board unfilled. In other words, you start a man short.

Does a 500 pr difference really matter? We face clans differing on a range from Bulba/-G-/Vilin to clans i have never heard of. I don't think getting matched with "LAOD" based off 15 of their players and then fighting with 15 of their other better players is a problem.

to a mahou player i don't need to explain how the system of advances works so the only time you will face a clan way below your PR rating is when you're the only 2 clans in the queue i know its not a problem for you becouse you're uselly on the winning end of it and personally i don't care but there a lot of clans that wants to play this mode to level up there stroghold and its not fair for them that other good clans are tricking the systeme to play low rating clans becouse they are afraid to face clan on there level !!

Maybe Clan Wars should be required to submit a list of RSVPd players in their Clan? If those players don't show up for a match, only designated "secondarys" already on the list could 'fill in.' If there is no listed secondary, that position goes on the board unfilled. In other words, you start a man short.

Would that solve it? Or at least reduce the potential for abuse?

Some clans have a difficult time filling the 15 for a tier 10 match. Additionally, we dont want to make it harder to do an Advance (as opposed to a Clan War battle). It would be simpler and easier to use the Clan PR average to match up an Advance battle.

to a mahou player i don't need to explain how the system of advances works so the only time you will face a clan way below your PR rating is when you're the only 2 clans in the queue i know its not a problem for you becouse you're uselly on the winning end of it and personally i don't care but there a lot of clans that wants to play this mode to level up there stroghold and its not fair for them that other good clans are tricking the systeme to play low rating clans becouse they are afraid to face clan on there level !!

You realize wargaming has already made it so you gain boxes by losing and dont have your buildings burned compared to the old stronghold raid system right? Would you rather they match you against bots every night and start you at a max stronghold? Is it not fair that the best nfl team wins the superbowl or that the best athlete wins the gold medal? Should i only have to run the 100m dash against other people the same speed as me?

You realize wargaming has already made it so you gain boxes by losing and dont have your buildings burned compared to the old stronghold raid system right? Would you rather they match you against bots every night and start you at a max stronghold? Is it not fair that the best nfl team wins the superbowl or that the best athlete wins the gold medal? Should i only have to run the 100m dash against other people the same speed as me?

Honestly this didn't occur to me but this happens to us almost nightly. Do we field 1 team and keep some left over for cw or do we field 2 teams? We often send our a team into the advance, have them fight the cw and then back to the advance depending on who we are fighting. Who has time for rigging advances by elo tanking tbh.

I can assure you this was not what we were trying to do when we faced you. We had a clan battle that was starting at the same time as the advance and only had ~20 players to fill both battles. So we grabbed 5 legionnaires (admittedly not the best players) then swapped them out when our battle on the global map finished.

That being said, i thought the advances were calculated by clan elo not PR.

If it is by PR then i think it should be fixed. But conversely if it was calculated by clan mean PR then you could have low skill clans bring 5 unicum legionaires to 'rig' the matchmaker.

I can assure you this was not what we were trying to do when we faced you. We had a clan battle that was starting at the same time as the advance and only had ~20 players to fill both battles. So we grabbed 5 legionnaires (admittedly not the best players) then swapped them out when our battle on the global map finished.

That being said, i thought the advances were calculated by clan elo not PR.

If it is by PR then i think it should be fixed. But conversely if it was calculated by clan mean PR then you could have low skill clans bring 5 unicum legionaires to 'rig' the matchmaker.

like i said personally i don't care actually i would love to face G or mahou or any good clan everytime because i will learn more about what they do and why they do it just by playing them yes you will take a beating most of the time but you will learn more . what i was talking about is why trick the system !! if you guys did that on purpose its a really low way of gaining boxes
and by the way just to answer the mahou player saying who has time rigging advances !!! there are a lot of clan doing that my friend didn't post the topic because one clan supposedly did that like who got time offsetting the map who got time rigging to get a tank !!

I can assure you this was not what we were trying to do when we faced you. We had a clan battle that was starting at the same time as the advance and only had ~20 players to fill both battles. So we grabbed 5 legionnaires (admittedly not the best players) then swapped them out when our battle on the global map finished.

That being said, i thought the advances were calculated by clan elo not PR.

If it is by PR then i think it should be fixed. But conversely if it was calculated by clan mean PR then you could have low skill clans bring 5 unicum legionaires to 'rig' the matchmaker.

Most of that team was switched out, not just a couple legionnaires. Its good of you to agree that Advances should be matched by Clan data though. Oh, and Cent72, Go Blue dude!

I think you are right Wirbelfield that they are using the ELO rating to match. We were matched with a clan 2 points away from our advances-ELO last night. I will watch and see what happens going forward.