Leo C. Donofrio, a retired attorney in New Jersey, has an appeal before the US Supreme Court. The appeal is the result of a lawsuit filed against the New Jersey Secretary of State, Nina Mitchell Wells. The lawsuit states that Ms. Wells did not adequately perform her statutory duty to ensure the integrity of ballots and the electoral process for the November 4th, 2008 election. Mr. Donofrio presented the facts regarding the case on Tuesday, November 12, 2008. Below is an exerpt that reveals the experience Mr. Donofrio had with the US Supreme Court:

“On Sunday evening, I left New Jersey in order to be in DC to file the application before the court closed at 4:30 PM. This would assure that the Supreme Court had a chance to stay the popular vote in the National Election before election day polls opened.

26. The Application For Emergency Stay was filed by me on Monday November 3rd, 2008, at 3:33 PM. A few minutes later, while still in the Supreme Court, I phoned the Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell, and we spoke for 7:00 minutes (according to my phone log). I told Mr. Bickell the whole story insisting that the Court Rule required the Application to be delivered promptly to Justice Souter. Mr. Bickell assured me that Justice Souter would have the case on his desk that evening if my papers were in order, which they were.

It was very important that the Court Rules be followed since I didn’t expect Justice Souter to grant the application, but I was ready to resubmit it to Justice Clarence Thomas with along with a letter to His Honor and ten copies of the original application shoulld he pass it on to the entire Court.

27. I arrived at the SCOTUS on Monday Nov 3rd, got the case filed and stamped at 3:30PM, then went back inside and pleaded with the stay clerk for 7 minutes (as shown by my phone log) to please follow the rules and get this on Justice Souter’s desk as was required by Rule 22(1):

“1. An application addressed to an individual Justice shall be filed with the Clerk, who will transmit it promptly to the Justice concerned if an individual Justice has authority to grant the sought relief.” (Emphasis added.)

Mr. Bickell agreed that if my papers were in order, Justice Souter would receive the case that night, sometime after 4:30 pm.

“Rule 22(6). The Clerk will advise all parties concerned, by appropriately speedy means, of the disposition made of an application.”

It’s important that the disposition be delivered by “speedy means” because the denial of a stay sets the trigger for resubmission to a Justice of your choice under Rule 22(4).

28. The next day, election day, I received no message from the Court. I went back to the SCOTUS on Election Day with my sister who is also retired from the practice of law (she was an Assistant DA in Detroit for many years), and was told Mr. Bickell wasn’t available to speak with me. And he was not picking up his phone.

29. On Thursday, I finally got through to Mr. Bickell and was informed by him that the case was never passed on to Justice Souter because Mr. Bickell didn’t think it was an appropriate Application. I was absolutely astounded. He made a substantive law judgment thereby effectively impersonating a Supreme Court Justice. Mr. Bickell told me that I should have made a full Petition for Writ of Certiorari and since I didn’t then my stay application was defective. And that’s not only illegal for him to make such a decision, but this decision itself is not grounded in law or precedent, but rather the exact opposite. And I told him he was flat out wrong, because :

– I followed the Court Rules perfectly

– he and I spoke all about this on Monday in a seven minute phone conversation wherein he agreed to forward the Application

– the case was properly before the court from the Supreme Court of NJ

– the precedent was Bush v. Gore where no Petition was necessary since the court decided to treat the Stay application as a full Petition for Writ of Certiorari.

It’s not the Clerk’s job job to play Supreme Court Justice. The stay clerk’s job is to collect the papers and pass them onto the Justices, but as to this action Mr. Bickell basically made a substantive judgment of law and denied my application on his own. That must be criminal in some way, perhaps impersonating a US Supreme Court Justice, or subordination of Judicial intent? It’s just wrong and Mr. Bickell needs to be called on it.Either he did this on his own volition or somebody pressured him to do it. After explaining the precedent in Bush v. Gore, where the Supreme Court treated the Stay application as a Petition for Cert. and then granted that virtual Petition, he blinked and agreed to Docket the case.[See Bush v. Gore, page 1, http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html ]

Mr. Bickell also stated that, “Justice Souter will deny it and so will Justice Thomas”, but I wouldn’t let it go and finally he agreed to Docket the case.

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) for injunction pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.

Three glaring errors:

– The case was actually filed and stamped received on November 3rd, not November 6th as Mr. Bickell had listed above.

– My application was for a “Stay” not an “injunction”. Filing for an injunction does not bring expedited review, while a Stay is entitled to the most expedited review the SCOTUS has to offer. The distinction is very important.

– I never submitted a full Petition nor did I submit a letter stating any such intention to do so. The Stay Clerk just took this out of thin air. He made it up out of the blue. Nothing in my Application indicates I intended to file a full Petition for Write of Certiorari. There was no time for that. The proper procedural tool was a Stay application as per the precedent set in Bush v. Gore.

31. I then called Mr. Bickell and left three loud and direct messages to the effect of, “Fix my docket or I’m going to suggest criminal charges against you as well as a civil suit against the Clerk’s office.” I also told Mr. Bickell that I suspected he was being pressured from within, and that he should inform whoever was pressuring him that I’d kept solid phone records and that my pleadings were stamped, “Nov. 3rd.”

32. Later than morning, I checked the US Supreme Court docket search engine again, and saw that Mr. Bickell had corrected the Docket to reflect that the case had been filed on November 3rd and he also now had it listed as a “Stay” application.

However, this second Docket listing was equally bizarre. Whereas the first Docket listing discussed a pending application for injunction, the new Docket reflected that Justice Souter had already denied the Stay application a day earlier on Nov. 6th, which is very confusing since this was now Friday November 7th and the first Docket listed no such disposition.

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.

None of this makes any sense. Calling this activity “unorthodox” is to be very kind. It’s Judicial misconduct and perhaps it’s even worse.
The reference to a “pending” Petition is incorrect and should be removed because it effects the favor-ability of review available to the case as resubmissions for Stay applications are not looked on favorably if the Stay denial is “without prejudice”. If I were actually in the process of submitting a full Petition for Cert., which I’m not, then the denial might be considered “without prejudice”, and in that case, Mr. Bickell might , once again, decide not to pass on the Stay Application to Justice Clarence Thomas.

Seeing as how the Electoral College is just one month away, this is still an emergency, and Bush v. Gore is still precedent. I have made no submission of a full Petition, so the Docket is still incorrect as I intend to resubmit the “Stay Application” this week and the case will live or die on the resubmission.

These Court Rules are no joke. They have a purpose. On Monday November 3rd, Mr. Bickell disposed of my Application acting as if he were a United States Supreme Court Justice. That’s certainly bad enough, if not criminal, but then he did nothing between then and Thursday November 6th to notify me, certainly not by “speedy means”, of the disposition of my Stay Application. This is Judicial misconduct.

Mr. Bickell took my cell number on Monday Nov. 3rd, and had I been notified properly, by a phone call, that my Stay Application was not going to be forwarded to Justice Souter, then I could have corrected Mr. Bickell as I did on Thursday Nov. 6th.

This case was stopped in its tracks starting in the Appellate Division and leading right to the US Supreme Court. The shame of the delay lies in the fact that the case was bi-partisan and should have been decided before the election when nobody knew what the outcome would be. Now, once Obama is disqualified, which I believe will be the final disposition of this case, it’s going to cause so much more pain to the country.

The law and the facts of this case have the ability to strip Obama of the Presidency just as the law and the facts of this case would have had the power to also strip McCain of the Presidency if he had won. I argued the same law as to McCain and Roger Colera as well as Obama.

This is NOT the way the US Supreme Court usually does business. And the citizens of this country should be angry that this institution has slipped to this level.

“I hereby certify that the foregoing statements made by me are true. I am aware that if any of the foregoing statements made by me are willfully false, I am subject to punishment.”

American4America and Ian.
Thanks for your support.
You can help by getting this info out.
In my last article, I have written what I believe to be the truth about the Constitution being upheld and the power we have under the Tenth Amendment.
Put pressure on the states, including lawsuits if necessary.
If they are not going to demand prrof from Obama, then I believe we have the power to.

Has it ever entered the minds of the great American thinkers who are blogging for justice there just might be a hidden power in this country that is greater than the Republican and Democrat parties, the major media sources, our Congress, the Federal Election Commission, the President, and even our Supreme Court ?

That thought has crossed my mind several times over the past months during the course of this phony election. Otherwise, why didn’t a single Republican Senator or Congressman DEMANDED Obama present his valid birth Certificate before the first vote was cast?

Why isn’t the Federal Election Commission, charged with the responsibility to insure a “fair, and fraud free ” election is held, now bringing criminal charges concerning all the foreign money that poured into Obama’s campaign? The FEC now admit there is little they can do about it.

Why hasn’t a single state Secretary of State, instead of saying they have no authority to question Obama’s birth certificate, DEMANDED he present a proper VALID birth certificate proving he meets the requirements as outlined in our Constitution before putting his name on their state ballots?

Why hasn’t a single major news organization (NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,NYTimes, etc) ever mentioned the fact Obama has not, will not, and can not produce a VALID birth certificate? Yet a website now exist where over 90 million hits have been made by “concerned citizens” about Mr. Obama’s VALID birth certificate.

The lawyer who runs this website is now asking this same question in the Supreme Court today? Yet, not been ONE open WORD has been spoken about this subject on a major network station, nor one word written about in a newspaper.

Yet, Obama’s true birth history is on the minds of every American today. Those who voted for him and against him!

So what in the hell is going on inAmerica today? Has our country being sold a bunch of wolf tickets by the visible and invisible powers to be? Are we expected to accept the unacceptable?

Well my theory is simple. There is a hidden power(s), greater than all our “elected” officials, greater than all our TV networks and major newspapers, and yes even greater than our Supreme Court, who has already ruled on this subject. Case closed.

The only way to identify these “unknown powers” will be when Toto pulls the curtain back.

Please Help Leo Donofrio with his case challenging Obama is not a “natural born citizen.”

As we speak efforts are going on within the Supreme Court to suppress Mr. Donofrio’s document.
Call TODAY!
US Supreme Court Clerk’s Office – 202-479-3011
US Supreme Court, Public Information Office – 202-479-3211
Explain to them you are not pleased at the way they are handling Case #08A407.
It is also important that Justice Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Supreme Court receive direct mail letters (not e-mail)
Include:Case Docket #08A407 and http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/ in your letter.

This just gets better and better by the minute…lol…i’m telling ya, we’re about to be in a Civil War in our own country if something is not done soon. We have relaxed as Americans and allowed our Government to take over and call all the shots as if we are just immigrants here without any say in anything. I bet before it’s all over there will be 100 million people on the White House steps demanding the truth. This is an outrage!!We may very well have to take our Government back once and for all and physically put some people in there with this countries best interest at heart(some good old boys and not politicians). I feel like we’re being taken over and sold out by our own Government. The news won’t give us the truth, the courts are turning the other way???????? WTF ???

The Writ of Cert will be granted…book it! And President-elect Obama is a “long way” from becoming our next President. “The Rule of Law” and the United States Constitution may very well trump the results of the November Presidential election results. Consider: If a female impersonator competed in the Olympics and was awarded a Gold metal, but later it was determined a man competed against females in their event does anyone think the man, if later exposed, would be allowed to keep his Gold Medal? Think about it folks!

The last I heard, the Kenyan hospital & country disavowed any knowledge of any birth certificate there. Everybody swears he was born in Hawaii. BUT…if someone is going to reveal this November Surprise, they darned well better do it QUICK!!! Before Obama does MAjor damage to our country these 1st 2 years!!

Mr. Donofrio’s case must have something Clerk Suter is truly afraid of. He is willing to continue to pull these tricks just to keep this case from coming before the “real” Justices. Clerk Suter must be aware of something a lot of people are not -the merits of the case, perhaps? He should be held accountable for his actions in this case regardless of whether it is heard or not.

Now Alan Keyes has filed lawsuit in Superior Court of California (Sacramento) to STOP California’s Secty fo State from giving Calif Electors their ballots and also to prevent Calif Electors from filling out their ballots UNTIL Barack Obama provides documentation showing that he is legally a “natural born” citizen of the USA …. and is not / or has not been a citizen of Indonesia.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire, Democrat and Former Deputy Attorney General State of Pennsylvania, Brought this Law Suit Now Before the US Supreme Court.
Attorney Berg asserts Obamas Citizenship Disqualifies Obama from Presidency.

We are deeply concerned with respect to Mr. Obama’s fulfillment of the requirements to serve as the President of the United States laid out in Article II, Section I of The United States Constitution.

We ask you to understand, many of us feel Mr. Obama is being less than transparent with regards to his citizenship. If he has nothing to hide, he should certainly be more than willing to serve the needs of the people whom he hopes to lead by providing the reassurances we do need and that indeed prudence dictates we demand.

You certainly uphold employers verifying USA Citizenship or USA Permanent Residency Status, et.al., prior to employing employees in the USA. This is law.

We are asking no less.

We are asking Mr. Obama to show his willingness to defend and uphold the US Constitution by showing proof of his ability to comply with and fulfill the requirements of its laws. We feel this is certainly reasonable.

We ask that you give full consideration and grant a full hearing of this case before the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

We further ask that you grant an injunction to include but not limited to stopping the Electoral College from voting on December 15th, 2008 pending the outcome of this matter.

We ask, that if upon weighing the evidence the Supreme Court of the United States of America finds that Mr. Barack Obama fails to meet the qualifications for President of the United States of America, that the Supreme Court uphold Berg vs. Obama, et.al., and rule that Mr. Obama is, thereby, De-certified to hold the Office of President of the United States of America.

He needs to produce the document before the inaugeration. If he does not, the American people need to demand his removal. By not providing the document, he has not proven that he meets the constitutional mandate. We must bombard every Congressional email address and phone line until the proof is presented. This is a matter of enforcing our constitution. No one has a right to tell the American public that they can not see this document in this case.

Keep up the GREAT work. Do NOT give up and do what you MUST to get this matter properly addressed. This will all go down in hostory but not as I think Obama originally hoped. This many is completely unethical and disingenious. That man has no business in the White House… thank GOD for people like you!

And somebody with computer brains & know how needs to combat those “factcheck” type spin sites. They are the first thing to pop up when some unsuspecting person googles this topic.
When I tell my friends about this, the first thing they do is go to snopes, urbanlegends etc…and then they write back to me that I’m in error and need to do my homework before I pass on mythes. This of course infuriates me!!!
Obama won this campaign with those spin sites and we’ve got to find a way to fight back. This is a cyber war first of all. I’m not saying to do anything illegal…what I’m saying is those sites hold wayyyy too much clout with good folks who don’t realize and we’ve got to find a way to expose the sites for what they are–Spin factories for BO. I don’t have the computer skills to take that on…but somebody needs to!

First a BIG Thank is in order here, dang a lot of hard work and monies invested and I will do what I can to help out on that even though you have not asked for anything. If we can get his butt out of the January 21st event I will be able to sleep again I just can’t sleep. I know you have a good case on the court clerk, Not a doubt in my mind on that one. and Kudos to you on that as well. However our Country is at stake here and I am deeply concerned as to if and when we will get this guy Obama legally shut down for good. Tell us what we can do to help in any way and if I can I will be on it like a fly on watermelon.

Oh that patition on Obama up there at the top it say to impeach him from the senate, ummm he has already released that position. so I did not sign that , course it might keep him fom running as senator after he has been kicked off of this situation…I don’t know how this stuff works.

Thanks KL for all the information up there deeply appreciated . I did that a couple weeks ago and one of my senators has acknownledge recieving the petition I signed with Berg . Is there more I can do?

First to Lynn: Your type of “thinking” has contributed to your correct opinion about “collapse”. You brag about Texas? I am a combat veteran from WW2 who saw my 1941 High School classmates die so you can shoot off your mouth. This is a Nation of Law not opinions.
Today from Ukraine I posted letter directly to Stay Clerk Bickell with copy to Justice Clarence Thomas.
Major thrust of letter I quote:
“The American system of justice is apolitical and you have no more right than I to impersonate, by insinuation or overt action, one of our honored Justices of this most esteemed Court.
You were informed by telephone dialogue with filing pro se citizen, who had filed his Application (08A407) for Emergency Stay with the Clerk of the Court on Monday November 3rd, 2008, at 3:33 PM., within minutes of that filing. You did not comply with court rules.
Shortly following our National elections, November 4, 2008, you were noticed in person, by the pro se Applicant in your telephone conversation with him, that your ‘opinions’ rather than your performance of duty pursuant to Court Rules 22(1) and 22(6) was tantamount to a substantive law judgment thereby effectively finding you to be impersonating a Supreme Court Justice.
I have come to understand that you actually said to the Applicant, in your audacity, ‘Justice Souter will deny it and so will Justice Thomas’.
I am sending a copy of this letter to Justice Clarence Thomas with my citizen’s opinion that your verbal retort as cited constitutes judicial misconduct”.

With the dates of ob mother being in school it looks like after the one semester she dropped out and did not go back until 1963,so it is very possible she had both her children in kenya and later went back to school. I just can’t believe the ob would have the nerve to know he is not a united states citizen and run for president, he has a lot of balls.

Still no mention of the Supreme Court looking into it by the ‘news’ media. The only thing on all the stations is Obama filling his cabinet, and vowing not to smoke in the Whitehouse???
What is going on!!!!!

The Constitution and Laws of our land mean absolutely nothing anymore under Democrat or Republican political control. We have had a “sheriff” in our county who never was qualified to be a candidate, but NOBODY with the duty, power, and authority, to correct the situation has ever taken steps to correct the situation Law mean nothing. Politics trumps the law all the time in our county. Check it out:http://www.varnauforsheriff.org
It seems courts are more sensitive to political outcomes than upholding the law.

The SCOTUS verdict is out: Donofrio’s suit declined. Go shop for Christmas or find a new job, if you were laid out in November — the legacy of the Bush presidency — and forget about your racist dream of blocking Barack from becoming president. Here’s the article:

MZ08, get your head out of your **s, this has just begun. There are many lawsuits coming, this will not fade away, there are 90 million (and growing) Americans (Dems / Rep) asking about that “vaulted” birth certificate that Barry is hiding from you!! Investigators have already validated that there is “no” records of birth at both hospitals he claimed he was born at, why do you think he is spending close to a million dollars for attorneys instead of a just revealing it!! 99.9% chance he is hiding something, common sense prevails: BARRY REVEAL YOUR RECORDS IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE….I SAY YOUR ARE A FRAUD!!!!! PROVE ME WRONG!!!

I’ve filed a petition for review No, 199 MM 2008, to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, seeking a writ of mandamus and an immediate injunction ordering the Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth to demand proof from Senator Barack Obama of his sworn statement, filed with his application for placement on the ballot, that he is qualified as a natural born citizen under the United States Constitution.

The petition seeks urgent attention to the requested injunction and additionally requests an injunction preventing the certification of the vote and of the Pennsylvania electors ballot, by the Secretary, including any certification to Pennsylvania’s Governor, and postponing of the scheduled meeting of the electors, which by law usually occurs on the third Monday of December.

I seek in the request for injunction, a submitting of proof of birthplace and of any additional elements required to be a natural born citizen, by Senator Obama, prior to the certification of the electors’ vote by the State to the Governor, and prior to certification that would then occur to the Joint Session of Congress, which would convene for the purpose of formalizing the electoral vote in early January.

If the candidate has not shown his eligibility under the Constitution, the electors should not have their votes certified, their votes should not be tallied in the traditional meeting before the Governor, nor should the certified ballots be lodged with the President of the Senate, nor the joint session of Congress early in January.

It is astounding that no official has demanded proof of this gentleman’s eligibility under what is a most simple and basic requirement for the Presidency. A bare statement by the Hawaii Health Director that they have a valid birth certificate is completely insufficient, and the fact that Senator Obama apparently has placed a doctored “certificate of live birth” on the internet, and may have falsely sworn in his candidate affidavits in thirty or more states, should put every American on notice that the Presidency may be being sought invalidly.

Under my request, the Secretary of the Commonwealth should be ordered to quickly demand proof. If Mr. Obama’s birth certificate is as he says, he has 20 days to produce it, and the Pennsylvania officials will still have 10 days to transmit the ballot to Washington.

I am not sure who maintains this site, but in reading some of the comments here, I find it to be filled with narrow minded, myopic people who are living in the 18th century. When will we ever come to a time when we will uphold what the Declaration of Independence states (WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed..). If we lived according to the way you all think, we would still live in a time of slavery and white supremacy. Ah, is that what you all are looking for? One person said that she is SO FRIGHTENED FOR OUR COUNTRY. Frighten? Does she even know what this means? We are in a frighten state right now. Every day you hear of people losing their jobs, market crashes, foreclosures, etc. You are not frightened now! And yet, President-elect Obama has not even been placed in his new position yet. How much more can we take of this past administration? I see that you all are asking for an impeachment of OUR president-elect and yet you have not even allowed this man to perform yet. I wonder did you ask for an impeachment of President George W. Bush with all the things that transpired during his administration. Someone stated on this page “God bless America”. God is not going to bless mess. Until we can live peaceably with each other, how can we go forward as a united state; a united country? It could never be because someone is always plotting to sabotage the plan. Pray for the United States. Pray for each other and yes, pray for President-elect Obama that he makes good decisions and judgment. If you have time to write your malicious and hateful comments out here, then surely you have time to pray. Oh by the way, today your petition as far as President-elect Obama’s citizenship has been denied. Peace.

You are missing the point. We, the people of America are employing “Barack Obama” to be our President. In our Constitution it states the President has to be a natural born citizen. Arnold Swartznager can’t be President because of this. Why should we allow Obama? If we do, then our Constitution doesn’t mean anything. It’s just a piece of paper. You are trying to make this into a racial thing and it’s not. The facts are the facts. We need HONEST people to run our country. The greed and power hungry politicians have taken over this country while the rest of us slept. We trust they are looking out for the country’s best interest and they’re not. Let’s have a CIVIL PROTEST in Washington DC on a certain day or everyone go to their state’s capital on a certain day and protest with signs etc… and notify the news, How about it people????? How about Monday December 15th, 2008 at 10AM?? Dolores from New Jersey.

Let me reason this out. If you believe in the constitution you are either racist, a slave holder, or out of touch. Nope, I still don’t get it. All the man has to do is show proof he is a citizen. How hard can that be? I had to do it to get a passport, and a driver’s license. And I wasn’t able to get the state of Nevada to issue a statement that they were holding my birth certificate so that no one could see it. Is OB a conspirator–originator on purpose? I smell reverend Jim Jones and Koolaid in the air.

I have information that on 7/7/09 that Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey.
What is the status of this action?

Unfortunately, as is the way of the federal government, Black obama will be allowed to complete his four years, wherein he’ll plant the seeds of total disaster, and only after his term is complete will the Supreme Court “have” a decision that will basically say “oh yeah, he should not have been allowed to serve as President….and from now on nobody will get away with it again..” Of course, by then, the damage will have been done.

THANK YOU SIR!! I am a female Navy Veteran 1956, worked all of my adult life, went to nursing school via GI Bill. My SSA is LESS than they are handing out to illegal children!!! Our pseudo “for the PEOPLE? by the PEOPLE? Of the PEOPLE? Right. I pray we turn this Country around to what it used to be: patriotic, hard working, good people instead of the greedy self-serving narcissists that are in ALL of the govt. offices now. Thank you for your input, it is VERY much appreciated.

Well here it is! Obama Birth Certificate.
Obama “America’s First Jewish President”?”
Very Interesting
They have spent millions on trying to keep this from the American people.
Should be interesting to see how they try and lie their way out of this one.

Obama’s authentic birth certificate from Coast Memorial Hospital, in Mombasa, KENYA.
Now the task is to get the courts to authenticate it and then kick Obama out of office.
I can email you photos
faircivillaw at yahoo.com