this has been on the PTR for about a week, duders. frostbolt with no cooldowns popped crits for ~77k vs. s13 geared players. with everything popped (damage trinket, incanter's), it crits for 110k+ haste geared, even more with mastery. I crit a moonkin last night for more than 124k

The Freeze nerf reduces your FoF procs a fair amount, so your instant cast damage is less numerous. We do too much damage on PTR though if we're allowed to cast.

this has been on the PTR for about a week, duders. frostbolt with no cooldowns popped crits for ~77k vs. s13 geared players. with everything popped (damage trinket, incanter's), it crits for 110k+ haste geared, even more with mastery. I crit a moonkin last night for more than 124k

The Freeze nerf reduces your FoF procs a fair amount, so your instant cast damage is less numerous. We do too much damage on PTR though if we're allowed to cast.

I wanna live in your dreamworld full of ponys and candy where a mage can chaincast frostbolt in arena

venruki, on 19 February 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

that's nothing new, you can do that on live to people if you're setting up/casting for 10+ seconds.

it's about 3 seconds of casting outside of the frostjaw attempt, which has a 0 cooldown commitment attached to it

I just realized it's not ideal, since with enough haste you can get two frostbolts in to deep freeze. if you can freecast:

use all the obvious damage cooldowns/procs
shatter a nova with frostbolt+df
double frostbolt in to DF
pom alter time frostbolt in to DF
imp CS, pet freeze, hardcast frostbolt, alter time frostbolt

I realize these are "if they do nothing/you don't get peeled" scenarios but it's new (to me, at least) to be able to reliably full to empty healers relying on NO procs at all, usable any time you have pom+alter time up.

I realize these are "if they do nothing/you don't get peeled" scenarios but it's new (to me, at least) to be able to reliably full to empty healers relying on NO procs at all, usable any time you have pom+alter time up.

2 casted frostbolt's on that rotation...probably two 1,2 second cast, seens hard right?

we can get 15k haste rating in pvp gear next season? sweet thanks for telling me

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 20 February 2013 - 12:18 AM.

jaimex, on 12 January 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

if anyone needs to be banned, it's you. You do nothing but sit on AJ being a passive aggressive idiot that nobody likes, sorry you stink of washing up liquid.

Pouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

Jontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

uh, with icy veins, yeah those numbers are pretty reasonable, with lifeblood and veins mine is less than 1.2 second cast

i presume you mean on the ptr? i have the same haste as you on live and my frostbolts are no where near under 1.2

jaimex, on 12 January 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

if anyone needs to be banned, it's you. You do nothing but sit on AJ being a passive aggressive idiot that nobody likes, sorry you stink of washing up liquid.

Pouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

Jontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

this has been on the PTR for about a week, duders. frostbolt with no cooldowns popped crits for ~77k vs. s13 geared players. with everything popped (damage trinket, incanter's), it crits for 110k+ haste geared, even more with mastery. I crit a moonkin last night for more than 124k

The Freeze nerf reduces your FoF procs a fair amount, so your instant cast damage is less numerous. We do too much damage on PTR though if we're allowed to cast.

It's not nearly that hard. I've had Incanter's go up, only to turn around and use glyphed deep, glyphed icy veins, imp CS on healer, and after 2 Frostbolts hitting for 50k 50k 50k each and an Icelance the target was dead from ~90% (from NT DoTs). Yes, I went from being trained with no idea what to do to winning the game in under 4 seconds. I feel like a complete mongo on PTR playing a Mage.

Haven't played since the beginning of this season but so-so change. Great that they're encouraging casting again, it was really disheartening to see the traditional style of dealing damage be so overshadowed by instant casting and fishing for procs. It might be some old-man-nostalgia esque glasses I had on when I played but trying to kite and get your hard cast damage off seemed absolutely worthless and not even a viable style of play.

On the other hand, damage was already absolutely insane when I stopped playing, I haven't looked at any of the other changes but I hope they addressed that in some form. Even using the global to use Ice Barrier at ~60% health was a risking the match if you got trained.

While we like mages hard casting spells more often in PvP, we agree with the consensus that we overdid the buff to Frostbolt. We are going to revert one of the earlier changes and have it once again increase its damage by its own debuff. Base damage has been reduced to compensate, but should not change for the fully stacked case.

I just hope that it doesnt create the same "OH SHIT" situasion as when a warlock is casting chaos bolt, even tho if promotes casting wich is great I dont wanna see 60% of someones health dropp just from one frostbolt rofl