A Personal view of the Internet SubcultureSurrounding the JonBenet Ramsey Murder case

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04. DOIpg199 Burke tells Patsy some man is at front door wants to talk to her
05. DOIpg199 Susan Stine returned to Boulder so Patsy had to do it herself
06. DOIpg199 Patsy see man late fifties sitting in a wheelchair on the sidewalk
07. DOIpg199 Patsy said wheelchair guy had long gray hair, unattractive growth of beard
08. DOIpg199 Wheelchair man said "I know important information on your daughter's murder."
09. DOIpg199 Patsy was afraid that wheelchair man could be the killer of JonBenet
10. DOIpg199 Patsy left wheelchair man and ran into house and called neighbor, Vicki Emery
11. DOIpg199 Vicki Emery arrived, said she knew wheelchair man as a local resident.
12. DOIpg199 Patsy called Lou Smit's direct line to Boulder to ask him what to do
13. Lou said, "Call the local police and have them come over and take his statement.
14. DOIpg199 The Charlevoix police wrote down the entire story and took the man's picture.
15. DOIpg199 The Charlevoix police drove wheelchair man home.

23. 2002-01-30: "B's" thread "Charlevoix Witness May Be Dying. Sheriff Artist Sketch?"
24. Eagle posted asking if somebody could get wheelchair man to help with an artist sketch
25. B posted that wheelchair guy was only followed up on by Ramsey investigators
26. B posted that wheelchair guy is too sick now to talk.

31. B posted statements were made by BPD request, on a questionaire and sent to BPD
32. B posted all the housekeepers have their copies of the questionaire
33. B posted copies given to Ramsey investigators by them (housekeepers?)
34. B posted Sheriff Laseter took the reports himself, done at the Sheriff's station
35. B posted "We can accomodate small jets here at our local airport"
36. B posted she contacted Mary Keenan's office last winter (2002?) to reopening chx events

37. B posted the wallpaper guy was there all winter in 96 working on that room!
38. B posted all the rooms were papered.
39. B posted that JonBenet's room was painted like a birdcage and very feminine.
40. B posted that Patsy questioned her Chx phone bill as there were weird calls on it.
41. B posted weird calls were after the wallpaper guy left, before they arrived in June of 96
42. B posted asking Jameson to send her Charlevoix Timeline to Lou Smit.

"The visibility of our house in Charlevoix and its openness to the street on both sides made it easy for people to walk up to our door. One afternoon Burke came out to the back porch and told me that someone was at the front door, wanting to speak to me. Susan Stine had gone back to Boulder, and I didn't have any choice but to go to the door myself. I looked out through the screen and saw a man in his late fifties sitting in a wheelchair on the sidewalk. The man appeared disheveled and his clothes were pretty worn.

"I have information for you," he said and then started to cry. He had long gray hair and an unattractive growth of beard. "I must speak to you."

"Okay?" I stuck my head out of the door. "What do you want to say?"

"I know something important," the man blubbered. "Very important." The man had sad eyes and need to comb his hair.

"I don't understand." I blinked several times, trying to decide if I knew the person. I was sure I'd never seen him before.

"Please listen to me, I know important information on your daughter's murder."

"Excuse me a moment." I darted back in the house as quickly as I could because I wanted to find the telephone and call for help.

I had no idea who this strange man was. Was he legitimate? A nut case? Could he hurt me? Could he help? I didn't know what I was dealing with, but the man scared me. He could be a panhandler, a man looking for a hand out,

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Or a tabloid reporter. Or he could be totally legitimate. All we needed was for one person to come forward with information. Then again, the stranger might have more frightening ideas in mind. He could be the killer.

I immediately called my neighbor, Vicki Emery, and asked for her help. Vicki was a native of Charlevoix and knew everybody....including this man. As it turned out, she recognized him as a local resident.

The man wheeled his chair to the porch side of the cottage, and asked us to help him out of the wheelchair so he could sit on the porch. As he was getting set to talk, I went back into the house and called Lou Smit on his direct line in Boulder. I needed someone in authority to tell us what to do.

"I've got a man outside on the back porch and he says that he knows something about the killing." I shook my head. "I don't know what to do. Can you talk with him?"

Lou said, "Call the local police and have them come over and take his statement. They will take it from there."

The Charlevoix police came immediately and the man began telling a long, winding yarn. The heart of his story was that during the previous summer (1996) he had been driving down Belvedere Avenue, which ran in front of our house, when he saw a young man run down the hill from the direction of our house. The man flagged him down and asked if he could get a ride. When the young man got in the car, he suddenly blurted out. "I hate the Ramseys and I'm going to hurt their daughter."

The Charlevoix police wrote down the entire story and took the man's picture. This man said his conscience had overwhelmed him for having done nothing about reporting this incident for an entire year. I thanked him for coming forward now with the information, and the police took him home. I have no idea what became of him or of the information he provided. But the whole episode left me terrified.

When I heard about the story of the man in the wheelchair and discovered how frightened Patsy was by this incident, I was upset and concerned.

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I knew that the media had descended on Charlevoix and were following us around, trying to get pictures of every family member possible. I had no way of knowing the difference between overly intrusive media and what might be a killer following us, lurking close by for another attack. The man in the wheelchair could be anyone.

As I heard more about the story, I discovered that the frantic young man who also supposed to have said that I had contracted with him to build a secret room in the Charlevoix house and that I owned him thousands of dollars. He went on to claim that he had a green Pontiac parked in our neighbor's driveway, which he wanted to sell, as "he wouldn't be needing it anymore." The whole story was confusing and bizarre, but extremely interesting.

As the gray-haired man's story wound down, he had made a concluding remark to the effect that, "Well, you know, the tabloids would pay a lot of money for this story." His final comment hit all my alarm buttons. While he was talking about something that could be very important to us, the man sounded as if he might be preparing to go fishing for cash in the tabloid stream, seeing what his story might be worth."

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16 THE WITNESS: Well, I can tell
17 you that I think you know there was this
18 whole issue of some strange activity in the
19 Cherry Knolls, and I've often thought, you
20 know, we lived there, it was a small town,
21 we were higher profile, you know, perhaps we
22 went to the wrong place.
23 I spent a little time this summer
24 talking to some of the people that I know
25 our investigators talked to. Some of the

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August 2000 John Ramsey Atlanta Interview(JonBenet's Bed in Michigan)

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1 information that I heard secondhand wasn't as
2 strong as I thought it was in terms of being
3 interesting.
4 We had the incident of someone
5 sleeping in JonBenet's bed while we were
6 gone. We had the incident of somebody
7 running down the hill saying they were going
8 to get even with me and harm my daughter.
9 I don't know if there is anything there or
10 not, but I think it's foolish not to look at
11 that.

"CHARLEVOIX Timeline"
Posted by B on Feb-10-01 at 09:02 PM (EST)
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-01 AT 09:12 PM (EST)

1996

Winter and Spring of 1996, house being redecorated my local Interior Designer for upcoming Summer 96 Home Tour.

Wallpaperer worked through out the winter and Spring to paint and wallpaper. Master Bedroom completely repapered and carpeted. Entry way repapered. Kitchen repapered. Living room repainted, new drappperies installed. Alot of work was done in the quiet months.This guy was never contacted by anyone to get his input on anything weird happening at house while he worked.

Housekeepers worked in Spring to ready the house for the summer, construction clean-up.

June 96- Ramseys arrive to their renovated home.

Head Caretaker submits bill to Patsy who in turn asks about questionable phone calls made from their Chx number. She doesn't expand and the conversation is forgotten.

Summer 96- Home tour in July.

JonBenet attends Pageants off and on. Guests come and go. Ramseys house is "sold" in a Charlevoix Charity Auction for a night. It was bought by their close friends, Susan and Brownie Flanders.

August- They leave in mid August to return to get ready for school to start.

Labor Day- Return and spend the long weekend with family and friends.

House is cleaned thoroughly after the "season" ends.

Mid Sept. (a Sat.) A Wine and Cheese Party is held at the Ramsey home with a small group of friends. Ramseys were not there. It was a rainy night and party was moved inside.

Hostess left house in impeccable order though she called Patsy in Boulder to say a glass of wine was spilled and asked her what she wanted to do about it. Patsy calls caretaker in Charlevoix to go check winestain and clean it or have it cleaned. She states her brother-in-law and family are coming for a vacation the following weekend.Stain is near piano. Housekeepers stop there midweek after party. This is when the discovery of the suitcase and boots is made.

They assume it is the pilot or a guest. She calls and leaves a message on their machine in Boulder.(She is told later they never got it). At this point in time caretakers are not concerned about the boots and suitcase as people are always coming and going there. House doesn't appear to be disturbed, hostess cleaned up well, upstairs is like they left it, except towels are moved(wine and cheese guests?) and bed appears messed up and not made the way they did it. They leave.

Jeff Ramsey and family arrive for a weeks vacation.Housekeeper stops back, house is in the "lived in" state. She calls Patsy in Boulder and she says that John will put the porch furniture away and not to worry about it. Jeff can help him.

Guy running out from bottom of hill is picked up by local handicapped guy driving down Belvedere Ave. He rants and raves about John Ramsey. This guy tries to contact the Ramseys thru a neighbor. They never connect. I am unsure of when this incident happened. It is in a police report somewhere.I was told he did approach the house and there was a party or something and he didn't want to disturb it. This leads me to believe it was in Sept. when this happened. He is in a wheelchair and it is not that easy for him to get around.

John flies up and they close up the house and boats. Incident at the gas station occurs which he is totally unaware of.This is in October.

Ramseys come for Color tour in October as ususal.

December 22-23 Patsy calls caretaker and tells her they are coming on Christmas Day and could she decorate the house prior to their arrival.

She would like garland and a tree if possible.

Than she decides to call interior decorator instead to see if she can do it. The house magically gets decorated. She tells her that she was just there to check the heat and all was fine. No messages on the answering machine. The Ramseys never come.

John Andrew and Melinda leave for Charlevoix from Atlanta. They will meet up with their parents and arrive in Charlevoix together.Instead they recived an emergency call in the airport they will never forget.

December 25, 1996 JonBenet is murdered. She never gets to go on the Big Red Boat cruise which she was so looking forward to.

January 97- Housekeepers call Sheriff and come forward with the info about the suitcase and boots being in the house. They are interviewed by Sheriff Lasater. He contacts the BPD who in turn send him a list of questions they want answered.

The housekeepers fill out the questionarres and return them. It would be weeks before any of them are contacted by the BPD. The BPD comes to Charlevoix but doesn't contact them???They call instead from Boulder.

The information about the suitcase and cowboy boots is not made public until it comes out in DOI.

Locks are changed at the Charlevoix house. One close friend now has the key to the house. No it is not me!

March 97- Jon Foster comes to Charlevoix to do interviews. He is a Ramsey investigator. He talks with their friends, family and gas station attendent. This information about the gas station is not told to the BPD.

Spring 97- Jon Foster returns and does follow up interviews.Security system installed in the house. They get a specially trained dog to be near Burke.

June 97-Friends prepare the Charlevoix house for arrival of the Ramseys. The house has sat quiet all winter except for the BPD visits to them, and a friend checking on it for them now. All keys that were out are painstakingly collected by a close friend.

The tabloids start arriving in Charlevoix.

They stay at the two hotels across the lake with a birds eye view of the house. They hangout at the local 7-11. They call every beauty shop in town to see if JonBenet had her hair dyed there.

They are intrusive and unwanted.Noone talks to them. They can not find out much at all. They follow the Ramseys all over town, the Stines run interference.The cable tv is not hooked up.

Portable phones are unhooked. Shutters are drawn.

Late June early July - The wheelchair driver comes to the house. Patsy is alone. She calls a friend to come over. She calls the local police. She calls Lou Smit. He gives a statement to the police. He is distraught that he wasn't able to contact them.

Suicide report about John. TV crew comes by to verify and catch John driving away in his jeep!

Wife of tabloid editor befriends Patsy. She becomes part of the inner circle. They buy her painting of "Summerhill", their friends buy her paintings. Than the headlines read there is an inside scoop. She betrays them by printing intimate details of their pain.

Anniversery of JonBenet's Birthday comes.

CHAIN OF EVENTS 2002

2002-01-30: From www.webbsleuths.com,"Charlevoix Witness May Be Dying. Sheriff Artist Sketch?"

This is idea is Lilac's, I believe, from the private JBR forum. Somebody, probably "B", knows the sheriff, could suggest his getting an artist to talk to the wheelchair witness. I hope we haven't waited too long. I hear he's very very ill with cancer. When Jeff Shapiro was taking questions here, I think I asked him about that. Everyone waited for someone else to do it. If the sheriff won't, and if he's able to talk, can someone else get an art student or teacher from the h.s. to do a composite sketch? Just think, that might be what would break the case. At least write down a description. "B"? There's probably no reason to be fearful. Probably lots of people fit the description. But once the ball starts rolling, other people might remember something.

B
unregistered user
Dec-23-02, 08:31 PM (EST)

10. "RE: Very good point, B,,,"
In response to message #3

TGRB, it wasn't the gas station owner but an attendant who reported the strange guy. I am friends with him. That is how we made the Ramsey connection with what the guy said.

None of the Chx incidents were followed up on by the BPD.

The intruder incident was not considered an intruder until after JonBenet's death when the incident was recalled and Ramsey's could not figure out who had been there. It was assumed, by the housekeepers, it had been someone who knew them. The house had pThe incident with the wheelchair guy was only followed up on by Ramsey investigators, but the guy now is too sick to talk. That is just one of the odd occurrences again in this case.

This has all been documented with the right people so maybe it will get looked into.

The other odd thing is that the Boulder detectives came to CHx at least three times and didn't bother to interview the housekeepers here or very many friends. This house should have been sealed.

B cannot post due to computer glitch but she has emailed me back and has the following message:

From B

It was newer suitcase, boots were beside it. Room was girlish and frilly and not geared towards a male guest. House had a guest room on main floor.

Housekeeper was not informed of guest staying midweek-John's brother arriving on the weekend. Housekeeper made a walk thru after wine party and found Suitcase which contained very neatly folded undershirts and personal clothing. Bed was slept "ON" not "IN", as stated. Coverlet was disturbed as if someone rested but sheets were not slept in. No other rooms were disturbed. It was not a vagrant, he was too neat.

Ramsey friends had a wine and cheese party there -cowboy boots man was there on a Tuesday/Wednesday-cleaning ladies there to check wine stain on Thursday and found boots. Called Ramsey home in Co and left message about wine stain from their Chx home. Left word about unknown guest. Message was never rec'd by the Ramsey's.

Additionally in Late Fall of 96 there was a man hanging out at the local Shell station going on about Co. and brought up John's name, talked about skating. Wore a long coat. Well groomed, did not drive, had lot's of cash. Wheelchair guy driver tried to contact Ramsey family after JonBenet's death in regard's to a person he picked up fleeing out there front yard who wanted a ride to the airport.

Husband of one of the housecleaners worked at Shell station and reported this to Ramsey investigators in Feb 97. Just strange occurrences that all need to be tied together. Hindsight...............

You can cut and paste this in if you want. I can't post, computer has a glitch apparently.

B

B
Member since Jun-29-03
1 posts Jul-01-03, 08:02 AM (EST)

4. "RE: Gas Station Guy"
In response to message #3

HI everyone! Jams finally figured out what the problem was and we got it fixed after months of not be able to post! Thank you Jameson! I have felt disconnected.

All the events that happened here are probably related but how?

The guy at the gas station would not have known the cashier was the husband of one of the housekeepers, it was not known really as it was a temp job. He did do a sketch with the original Ramsey investigators in the spring of 97 but noone knows where it is, probably in one of the many boxes shipped to Lin Wood. Ramseys have never seen it.

BPD came to the house three times I believe and never once dusted JonBenet's room here, even after they knew about cowboy guy, never took bedding, did not seal room. Another close friend and I were the ones who got the house ready for Ramsey June arrival(not housekeepers) in 97 and I should have bagged the bedding, I didn't as I thought the police knew what they were doing. I wish I had.

Wheelchair guy is pretty much incapacitated now, noone to my knowledge has ever questioned him thoroughly. He lives near me somewhere but I have been told he isn't doing well.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 08:59 AM (EST)

10. "RE: B and CHX"
In response to message #8

No there is no record in Chx, as statements were made by BPD request, on a questionaire and sent to BPD. All the housekeepers have their copies. Copies given to Ramsey investigators by them.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 09:58 PM (EST)

21. "Candy"
In response to message #16

They were done at the Sheriff's station on a questionairre provided by the BPD. Not at the police station. Sheriff Laseter took the reports himself. The guy fleeing the house was never reported and either was the gas station guy as he wasn't menacing. The cowboy boot was not reported until Jan 97 to the Sheriff. BPD would have the originals. Housekeepers all have their copies. Housekeeper made contact witht he sheriff not the other way around.

B
unregistered user
Jul-01-03, 10:05 PM (EST)

22. "Charlevoix"
In response to message #21

Just for the record I know Chief Halverson here well. I also want to tell you we protect our own and anyone who called about the Ramsey case were probably not taken seriously unless it was another police officer or investigator.There were too many tabloids here in the beginning so it has made us all wary of people wanting info. Chx has been a safe place for them and will continue to be so. As I stated it was not at the city police dept so sorry if you went on a wild goose chase. Candy I don't want to argue and I just got to be able to post after months of frustration of not being able too. If the DA wants a copy of the reports he will get them.

B
unregistered user
Jul-02-03, 08:22 AM (EST)

30. "replies"
In response to message #29

Hi-yes I am posting but haven't caught up on other threads but apparently I need to speed read!

DB- bedroom was very child like, toys and such in there, cleaned up for photo shoot.

Lilac- Message left on remote voicemail, kind you have to call in for, not a machine.

Wheelchiar guy is pretty much homebound. I think he felt real bad about not coming forward, but he did try to get their number after her death but went to the wrong people.

Neighbors that wouldn't know.

Plus they were hard to contact after her death. I think he thought he had to tell them directly vs the police. I think he came across disoriented and nervous from what I gather. I think he had a clue that got lost in the shuffle.

We can accomodate small jets here at our local airport.

B
unregistered user
Jul-03-03, 05:46 PM (EST)

51. "answer to ?'s"
In response to message #50

Mary Keenan's office was contacted by me last winter in regard's to the reopening of the case and Chx events.

Wallpaper guy was there all winter in 96 working on that room! All the rooms were papered. That room was John and Patsy's. The other was Burke's. DB do you have one of JonBenet's room, it was painted like a birdcage and very feminine.

If you look at me timeline, Patsy questioned her Chx phone bill as there were weird calls on it. It was after the wallpaper guy left and before they arrived in June of 96. Not sure where the calls were too but she did wonder about them. BPD never checked this out either.

It is the Chicago Club and Belvedere Club. Belvedere is mostly people from MO and TN. I don't know much about the Chicago Club, it is smaller.

It was an remote answering service like DB describes above.

Jams can you forward my timeline to Lou please.

I think the events prior ro her death need to be reexamined.

I think the White's actions that summer need to be evaluated.

JMO

B
Member since Jun-29-03
4 posts Jul-06-03, 11:39 PM (EST)

42. "RE: Charlevoix bedroom"
In response to message #41

No I can't tell you what they looked like. A good description was given to the original Ramsey investigator in winter 97. I think she (second housekeeper) said they were newer and not worn. Suitcase was newer, small. It is not like she sat there and stared at it, she lifted the cover saw it was neat inside and let it back down and checked the rest of the upstairs. They really thought it was a Ramsey friend. Nothing was alarming about it. Person could have been in the house at the same time. It was out of place. There really was only about a three day window this person could have been in there.

Yes house was secured when they were gone but there were keys out there. Yes there was hidden key so person may have known that. Not many did. No alarm system here until after her death.

Most of the people who were at the party knew John and Patsy and had been to the house before. They are good friends who bought it for the night. If I remember right, the wheelchair guy said he drove by the night of the party to tell the Ramsey's about the guy running out of the yard and what he said and did, but didn't stop because of the party. He didn't come back as they were gone for he summer. Why he didn't go to the police is not known. He is definitely someone who should have been interviewed.