Carrying knives should immediately become an offence with an immediate custodial sentence ....no ifs and no buts and no excuses.

Caught carrying = 5 years. Threatening to use it = 10 years. Using it = 30 year minimum.

Problem is, there would need to be a massive investment in infrastructure in this country to build more prisons and that isn't going to happen under the tories.

Not just that, but what about me when we go on picnics and Ive got my sharp knife in my cutlery set for the picnic? Or Ive bought a knife in the shop?

I bought some Sushi knives last time I was in Soho, I was in the nerves I'd get arrested walking back to my Hotel, although they are in a nice case. The knife shop (a Chef's supplier) didn't ask any questions either.

Why would they?

We have all bought a knife at some point in our lives, they are on sale in every homeware store known to man.

Well I think, without explaining it, I was referring to if the law changed and it was an automatic offence to carry a knife, without any exceptions.

If you're caught with a knife, it seems that being on your way to a picnic and carrying to cut up your picnic food would count as a "good reason" to be carrying one, as would being on your way to work and the knife being one that you use in your work.

I'd support harsher penalties, but imo what is needed is more prevention and enforcement. And that costs money, and we know how the government hates spending money.

What would you do to prevent the current knife carrying/murder epidemic in London. Plenty of community groups, community workers, social workers, churches have all had a go so action is there and money not a problem. This is a typical response from the Left to throw more money at a problem
But still the slaughter goes on

So what is is your answer then ? and just to add all the support groups have had very big budget cuts and social services are under funded, and understaffed

Typical throw more money at the problem and all will be well, it won't
I would welcome the police taking a tougher approach, rigorous stop and search ignoring racism cries, carrying knives such as they use is against the law

You need alot of officers to do this, so spend money and replace the 20,000 police that were cut. plus More than a quarter of police stop and searches are ‘unlawful’ and risk promoting ‘major disorder’, government inspectors warned last night.
In a blistering report, Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary said that, in 27 per cent of cases, police failed to show they had reasonable grounds to carry out the search.
It is the equivalent of 250,000 people every year being stopped and subjected to hugely intrusive searches without the police sticking to the rules.Last week Home Secretary Theresa May warned that police could be wasting hundreds of thousands of hours by interrogating stopping people who had done nothing wrong.
Last year, police conducted 1.2million stop and searches - but only nine per cent, or 107,000, ended in arrest. From 2013 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358583/A-quarter-police-stop-searches-illegal-250-000-people-stopped-officers-sticking-rules.html

* Banging on neighbours doors the night before the murder
* Stabbing someone NINE times
* No fixed abode

May indicate someone who is not the full ticket. Where is a 35 year old going with a knife in the first place?? Doesnt seem to be a teenanger involved in the gang scene.

This was an absolutely abhorrent crime so let’s hope he is taken off the streets for the remainder of his years.

If you think he is not the full ticket as in attacked the person due to being paranoid delusional as a result of being mentally ill. Why should he be detained for the remainder of his years rather than until no longer a danger. Why shouldn't they be released at some point with adequate supervision if it is deemed safe to do so.

Even people who are perfectly sane who choose to go out and murder someone do not generally get detained for the remainder of their lives, and they are fully culpable for their actions.

Weve all seen in past cases the loons who got out and did the same things again.. would you want to live next door to this man if he was released from prison... I dont think you have to answer ..

I would not have a problem with living next door to someone who suffers from severe mental illness including paranoid delusions if they were deemed safe to be living in the community and receiving adequate supervision and care.

I simply cannot believe if you found out your next door neighbour had murdered a stranger by stabbing them nine times you would have zero concern for yourself or your families well-being. The person who deemed him safe for release may have been an imcompetent case worker with a high work load. The supervision procedures in place may be initially adequate and then subsequently break down.

* Banging on neighbours doors the night before the murder
* Stabbing someone NINE times
* No fixed abode

May indicate someone who is not the full ticket. Where is a 35 year old going with a knife in the first place?? Doesnt seem to be a teenanger involved in the gang scene.

This was an absolutely abhorrent crime so let’s hope he is taken off the streets for the remainder of his years.

If you think he is not the full ticket as in attacked the person due to being paranoid delusional as a result of being mentally ill. Why should he be detained for the remainder of his years rather than until no longer a danger. Why shouldn't they be released at some point with adequate supervision if it is deemed safe to do so.

Even people who are perfectly sane who choose to go out and murder someone do not generally get detained for the remainder of their lives, and they are fully culpable for their actions.

Weve all seen in past cases the loons who got out and did the same things again.. would you want to live next door to this man if he was released from prison... I dont think you have to answer ..

I would not have a problem with living next door to someone who suffers from severe mental illness including paranoid delusions if they were deemed safe to be living in the community and receiving adequate supervision and care.

I simply cannot believe if you found out your next door neighbour had murdered a stranger by stabbing them nine times you would have zero concern for yourself or your families well-being. The person who deemed him safe for release may have been an imcompetent case worker with a high work load. The supervision procedures in place may be initially adequate and then subsequently break down.

Are you being serious, you’d be 100% comfortable with this scenario?

Unlikely. The procedure for releasing a forensic MH patient is lengthy and detailed. There is ZERO chance an 'incompetent care worker' in isolation would make that decision.

* Banging on neighbours doors the night before the murder
* Stabbing someone NINE times
* No fixed abode

May indicate someone who is not the full ticket. Where is a 35 year old going with a knife in the first place?? Doesnt seem to be a teenanger involved in the gang scene.

This was an absolutely abhorrent crime so let’s hope he is taken off the streets for the remainder of his years.

If you think he is not the full ticket as in attacked the person due to being paranoid delusional as a result of being mentally ill. Why should he be detained for the remainder of his years rather than until no longer a danger. Why shouldn't they be released at some point with adequate supervision if it is deemed safe to do so.

Even people who are perfectly sane who choose to go out and murder someone do not generally get detained for the remainder of their lives, and they are fully culpable for their actions.

Weve all seen in past cases the loons who got out and did the same things again.. would you want to live next door to this man if he was released from prison... I dont think you have to answer ..

I would not have a problem with living next door to someone who suffers from severe mental illness including paranoid delusions if they were deemed safe to be living in the community and receiving adequate supervision and care.

I simply cannot believe if you found out your next door neighbour had murdered a stranger by stabbing them nine times you would have zero concern for yourself or your families well-being. The person who deemed him safe for release may have been an imcompetent case worker with a high work load. The supervision procedures in place may be initially adequate and then subsequently break down.

Are you being serious, you’d be 100% comfortable with this scenario?

Unlikely. The procedure for releasing a forensic MH patient is lengthy and detailed. There is ZERO chance an 'incompetent care worker' in isolation would make that decision.

We’ve all seen incidents where someone dies due to failings in multiple government agencies, there’s an enquiry and everyone promisies it will never happen again. I’m sure they were all convinced their systems had cast iron checks and balances in place before they failed.

* Banging on neighbours doors the night before the murder
* Stabbing someone NINE times
* No fixed abode

May indicate someone who is not the full ticket. Where is a 35 year old going with a knife in the first place?? Doesnt seem to be a teenanger involved in the gang scene.

This was an absolutely abhorrent crime so let’s hope he is taken off the streets for the remainder of his years.

If you think he is not the full ticket as in attacked the person due to being paranoid delusional as a result of being mentally ill. Why should he be detained for the remainder of his years rather than until no longer a danger. Why shouldn't they be released at some point with adequate supervision if it is deemed safe to do so.

Even people who are perfectly sane who choose to go out and murder someone do not generally get detained for the remainder of their lives, and they are fully culpable for their actions.

Weve all seen in past cases the loons who got out and did the same things again.. would you want to live next door to this man if he was released from prison... I dont think you have to answer ..

I would not have a problem with living next door to someone who suffers from severe mental illness including paranoid delusions if they were deemed safe to be living in the community and receiving adequate supervision and care.

I simply cannot believe if you found out your next door neighbour had murdered a stranger by stabbing them nine times you would have zero concern for yourself or your families well-being. The person who deemed him safe for release may have been an imcompetent case worker with a high work load. The supervision procedures in place may be initially adequate and then subsequently break down.

Are you being serious, you’d be 100% comfortable with this scenario?

Unlikely. The procedure for releasing a forensic MH patient is lengthy and detailed. There is ZERO chance an 'incompetent care worker' in isolation would make that decision.

We’ve all seen incidents where someone dies due to failings in multiple government agencies, there’s an enquiry and everyone promisies it will never happen again. I’m sure they were all convinced their systems had cast iron checks and balances in place before they failed.

It seems that so many of these young inner city victims are already involved in lawlessness, it is a downward spiral, very sad that a child is already involved in crime and that someone sees fit to murder him, what the heck is going on in London?...................

It seems that so many of these young inner city victims are already involved in lawlessness, it is a downward spiral, very sad that a child is already involved in crime and that someone sees fit to murder him, what the heck is going on in London?...................

Lots of stuff happening in London.

Motor crime, stabbings, acid attacks, disruption those are the main things you hear about London at the moment.