In an interview with White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney, CNN’s Chris Cuomo tried to argue that illegal immigration is an “imaginary crisis.” Mulvaney let him have it.

“You can’t say I’m going to fix DACA and not illegal immigration. That’s not being presidential and that doesn’t solve the problem. Simply waiving a wand and giving amnesty to 12 or 13 million people may solve a problem for them, but it doesn’t solve the problem for the other 300 million people who live here,” said Mulvany.

Cuomo tried to argue that illegal immigration is an “imaginary crisis.” “According to the center for American progress, if you get rid of them you’d cost us $433 billion over ten years or $43 billion a year in gross domestic product. You’d cost us money by getting rid of them,” said Cuomo.

“You’re not going to get me to disagree on the value of legal immigration,” responded Mulvaney. “Illegal immigration is a different topic. I’m not going to debate a Center for American Progress report on your show. Come on now.”

“Center for American Progress? Seriously. Let’s find a couple of different studies on both sides of the argument. You know I can find something from some right-wing-” said Mulvaney before being interrupted. Mulvaney was soon able to talk again. “I think it’s bad for the nation to have bad illegal immigration policies and that’s what we have right now,” he said. Check out the video below.