"Though again, since I am honest, I must say I do believe there are differences in intelligence, though since I am a proponent of self-reliance, and capitalism, the main factor of success is hard work and ethics"

So you are a libertarian who believes that African liberty should be minimized, and extreme measures of state intervention should exist in Africa, until their cultures are altered: "That doesn't take away from the example of what works. Take over from the savages. " As a capitalist, you believe that the markets in those countries should be rigged, so that whites and not blacks should have access to wealth (Egs; SA)? If that fails, you can assert that there are "differences in intelligence," which can be used to make an argument for genetic/intellectual inferiority (even though you claim that you are not a racist)?

Question: IQ tests measure likely academic achievement, and not intelligence. Why do African immigrants to America have the highest academic achievement of ANY ethnic/racial group in America, if as you assert, there are "differences in intelligence"?

"In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.

For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population as a whole."http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...sible.html"

You assert that Catholicism should be the primary determinant of cultural/intellectual superiority, but African immigrants -- genetically identical to those "savage" races -- have higher rates of intellectual achievement than your own people, and the "savages" are not Catholic. Please explain.

(04-23-2010, 01:38 PM)Happyandgrateful Wrote: "Though again, since I am honest, I must say I do believe there are differences in intelligence, though since I am a proponent of self-reliance, and capitalism, the main factor of success is hard work and ethics"

So you are a libertarian who believes that African liberty should be minimized, and extreme measures of state intervention should exist in Africa, until their cultures are altered: "That doesn't take away from the example of what works. Take over from the savages. " As a capitalist, you believe that the markets in those countries should be rigged, so that whites and not blacks should have access to wealth (Egs; SA)? If that fails, you can assert that there are "differences in intelligence," which can be used to make an argument for genetic/intellectual inferiority (even though you claim that you are not a racist)?

Do you even know what a free market is? What you described is crony capitalism, or corporatism.

Quote:Question: IQ tests measure likely academic achievement, and not intelligence. Why do African immigrants to America have the highest academic achievement of ANY ethnic/racial group in America, if as you assert, there are "differences in intelligence"?

"In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John R. Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.

For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population as a whole."http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article...sible.html"

"Most probably came to better themselves. A good deal. You go to a free European influenced country, with a strong Catholic Church, that has a lot of your fellow Italians. Good deal. At the time of the emigrations, Italy had rebelled against the Church. Heck Pope Pius IX was even shot at."

And in this European influenced country (albeit not Catholic) the first thing you do is reside in a Northeastern tenement. You create a disease and crime-ridden GHETTO, divert tax-payer dollars in containing the crime and vice that you've brought from Italy, and force the government to create charitable and welfare organizations to deal with your lack of initiative and achievement -- this pattern lasts for decades, because you create mafias that re-create the same problems that existed in Italy, from which you were trying to flee.

Statistically speaking, since they are "black" and immigrant, they should have greater numbers that FAIL to complete college, since both Blacks and Hispanics have fewer numbers that actually complete college -- and wait: aren't those Hispanics predominantly Catholic [url][http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Differences+between+Black%2FAfrican+American+and+White+college+students...-a0161545255/url].

"Do you even know what a free market is? What you described is crony capitalism, or corporatism. "

No, what I'm describing is this: the white supremacist regimes "regulates how the means of production, goods, and services are used, priced, or distributed." They used race as a determinant in intervening in the market, which means the markets were not free.

(04-23-2010, 02:06 PM)Happyandgrateful Wrote: "Do you even know what a free market is? What you described is crony capitalism, or corporatism. "

No, what I'm describing is this: the white supremacist regimes "regulates how the means of production, goods, and services are used, priced, or distributed." They used race as a determinant in intervening in the market, which means the markets were not free.

Fine, but James wasnt describing that. If African leaders were more respective of property rights instead of fleecing their subjects to death, they wouldnt have as many problems as they do today.

Quote: You create a disease and crime-ridden GHETTO, divert tax-payer dollars in containing the crime and vice that you've brought from Italy, and force the government to create charitable and welfare organizations to deal with your lack of initiative and achievement -- this pattern lasts for decades, because you create mafias that re-create the same problems that existed in Italy, from which you were trying to flee.

Nice try. Welfare programs did not exist during the period of "Little Italy". Disease ridden? WTF? "Little Italy" was not crime infested in the sense of petty crime. There were protection rackets, sure enough, that preyed on Italian business owners. But you walked down the street safe. Your kids could be raised without a problem. Nothing like the black ghettos of today. But again, the black ghettos have nothing to do with race, everything to do with socialists.

Quote: So you are a libertarian who believes that African liberty should be minimized, and extreme measures of state intervention should exist in Africa, until their cultures are altered: "That doesn't take away from the example of what works. Take over from the savages. "

Think Cortez. Came to Latin America and found mass human sacrafice and cannibalism. He greatly improved the condition of the Aztecs. Same with savages running around in Africa. Take over. Eradicate their savagery.

Quote: As a capitalist, you believe that the markets in those countries should be rigged, so that whites and not blacks should have access to wealth (Egs; SA)? If that fails, you can assert that there are "differences in intelligence," which can be used to make an argument for genetic/intellectual inferiority (even though you claim that you are not a racist)?

Rigged markets? Who does the rigging, the State? Sounds like leftism to me. Do you know what a Libertarian is?

Quote: They used race as a determinant in intervening in the market, which means the markets were not free.

That would be a mistaken policy, if it indeed is the policy. Teaching free market capitalism and respect for property is one element in civilizing savages. Of couse it also could be that people from a savage culture can't compete with the Europeans. Zimbabwe proves this. Ok the savages were "exploited and excluded" from the farms. So the savages stole the farms and gave them to their posse. Now they are starving to death.

Quote:Question: IQ tests measure likely academic achievement, and not intelligence. Why do African immigrants to America have the highest academic achievement of ANY ethnic/racial group in America, if as you assert, there are "differences in intelligence"?

I'll grant your statistic for the sake of argument. Africans coming to the USA come on Education visas. They come here for the purpose of going to college. So I would expect them to have high levels of academic achievement. But I also know that blacks do miserable in the hard sciences and engineering. Most of these blacks are inner city ghetto blacks so a large part has to do with the free ride they got during their life. But from my experience, it is also due to intelligence.

Oh, and if you are a typical foreigner, you are probably obsessed with education. A big defect. The worst are Indians. When they get a college degree, they think they are done. That money will just fall in their lap. They also look down upon people who don't have a degree. That is a major problem in the savage world. It is predictable when I work over there, I'll find the engineers preaching to the lowly worker and not actually getting their hands dirty. Turns out they are morons who don't know basics since they never actually observed real life in the field. Don't fall into that trap.

That and pride are a big problem holding back the savage. The Tenth Commandment is the most violated of them all. The savages in Rhodesia looked at the great way the Europeans lived. The low crime. The civil discourse. Then they looked at their horrible culture. Instead of being humble and asking the Europeans for advise, they lash out as a defense against their secret fear that they are inferior because of race. All along it is their diseased and sick culture that holds them back.