AuthorTopic: Beatles as innovators (Read 36073 times)

that was great! i know theres been alot written about the kingsman's version's lyrics and their alleged obscenity. just now reading that the f.b.i. spent two years investigating the lyrics in the mid 60s --like twist and shout, to me this is one of those rare examples wher the 'rock group' remake outdoes the r&b original with sheer raw power...(that was pretty awesome though- especially the doowop bass)

trying to stay on topic but when i looked up richard berry it said he based louie louie on a latin song called el loco cha cha(the chords) and a chuck berry song called havana moon (which is where he 'lifted' the lyrics's island-speak and theme)this video plays both inspirtationsthe chuck berry starts at 3:05 "me sip on di rum. . mi wonder when . . di boat will come . . "

. . explains Tom Higgenson of the Plain White T’s. . . . in ‘And Your Bird Can Sing,’ there’s that long harmonizing guitar solo part . . . It was one of the first songs to have the harmonized lead part driving the song.”

this whole song that les paul multitracked is awesome but check out around 1:10 . . descending harmonizing guitar lead driving the song . .

trying to stay on topic but when i looked up richard berry it said he based louie louie on a latin song called el loco cha cha(the chords) and a chuck berry song called havana moon (which is where he 'lifted' the lyrics's island-speak and theme)

I think we're starting to see the continuum of innovation in music here.

not forgetting of course that at the time of Pepper there was no prog rock genre.

Who knows when progressive rock really started. I think it was a movement, contributed to by many bands. At the time, in late 1967, hearing Days of Future Passed for the first time, I knew it was something different much in the way I knew Sgt Pepper was something different a few months before.

I'm trying to accomplish just that - no one creates music in a vacuum. I'm singling out The Beatles because this is Beatles forum and Beatle fans say that they invented this genre or that genre.I'm not trying to find firsts (like the art rock thing). I was arguing against someone who was saying Sgt Pepper was the first. I'm not sure what was.

earlier than that - a calypso beat hit 1945 . the andrew sisters with the morey amsterdam owned song (yes, of dick van dyke show).......rum and cococolaa

Talk about lifting lyrics and music, according to Wikipedia, Morey Amsterdam stole Rum And Coca Cola from Lord Invader...He was born in San Fernando, Trinidad. Invader became active in calypso in the mid-1930s. He wrote many calypsos; his most famous lyrics, "Rum and Coca-Cola", were plagiarised by Morey Amsterdam and became a hit for the Andrews Sisters. Invader travelled to New York and sued, eventually winning compensation, although the final settlement allowed Amsterdam to retain his copyright.

wow, i'd read the story but never listened to the lord invadermorey amsterdam is quite the thief. that andrews sisters vid shows the album with the "morey amsterdam" writing credit -but this made me think.....the beatles certainly knew who the andrew sisters were - probably heard them on their parents radios growing up. they were one of the worlds top selling groups in their time!in fact, their manager lou levy owned the publishing rights to i want to hold your hand when it was releasedanyway..the everly brothers had two part harmonies...but when u listen to the three part harmony of 'this boy' or even 'because' . . it's hard to ignore the AIRTIGHT vocal harmonies of LaVerne, Maxene and Patty

It's called "sibling harmony", nyfan. As tight as The Beatles are with their harmonies, eg. Because as you mentioned, they can only come close to brothers or sisters harmonizing. It's in the genes and anatomy.

the crickets huh? isn't that where the name beatles really comes from?also i had heard that the early beatles sometimes called themselves the foreverly brothers-here's a haunting version of john doing the everlys followed by the beatles briefly jamming on it in the get back sessions (?)-in the anthology version of two of us, paul tells john "take it phil"