Q. Did you have any occasion to hear anyone say what was the motivating
fact [sic] for doing in the President?

A. Now you would have to back up a couple of years with Ferrie. It
was Ferrie again. I don't know if it was the motivating factor
with Bertrand and Oswald was - but I can tell you the motivating
factor of Ferrie was. Back in 1962, I guess, whenever the blockade
started, all before that he was all - Castro had to go, Castro was
this and this and all that Kind of stuff - Castro had served his
purpose, he had helped get rid of Baptista [sic], he had helped get
rid of private property, he had helped get rid of all these private
enterpise things, I don't know if Ferrie was a communist or not,
but anyway he had reached a point now that he couldn't go any
further, he would never let the government go kapoot and disappear,
he was always going to be be [sic] there and if it wasn't him it was
going to be Raoul, if it wasn't Raoul it would be (inaudible), or
somebody like that - I knew the whole Hierarchy of Cuba - all
right, then Kennedy came along and put a blockade in and then Ferrie
turned the most violent - he never talked that much about Kennedy
before, he turned around like a pfoof [sic] - and all the hate, I
don't mean hate, but the idea of Castro wanting to get rid of him
turned into hate against Kennedy for he idolized the Spanish
people - Kennedy was now starving the Spanish people, all this
bullshit about letting medicine go through was a bunch of bullshit,
he said he knew because he had been down there and there wasn't
letting medicine go through he said he was starving the Cuban
people, said he had already bankrupt them by American tourists not
going there and spending their money - and he said now he was
getting this organization of Americas [sic] States he said they
would put all these economic sanctions and all that stuff and he
said Kennedy was a real no-good fellow, he didn't phrase it that way
but that's what he meant. Well you know what provoked that - because
I was critical of Kennedy's policies in that area, I was critical of
the fact that he allowed the Russians to build up and all that. I
would say the first word and he would start talking for hours, hours
and hours. This was when he was at the height of his glory I guess.
And he changed from this anti-Castro program, get rid of Castro, to
get rid of Kennedy, get him out of the picture, he said Johnson
would be a better president anyway as he was more concerned with
domestic problems. He said he knew how to handle the Senate, had
been in it for years, said he was a majority leader and all that
kind of humbug, and he said listen, if we get rid of Kennedy he said
Johnson will make a much better President, he said he knows much
more about Congress, and he'll be a much better President. He said
he's not that much anti-Cuban, says he is more for the people.
Ferrie was interested in that and whether that was the motive or
not, I don't know. And whether this is by luck or chance they all
got together, I don't know. But Ferrie was, you know ...

[end of excerpt]

"I don't know if Ferrie was a communist or not"

"Kennedy was now starving the Spanish people"

So Ferrie was upset at JFK for the trade embargo, travel ban and OAS
sanctions AGAINST Castro's Cuba? He was concerned that people of Cuba
had enough food and medicine? Some people allege he was firebombing
sugarcane fields. Russo didn't know if Ferrie was a communist or not?
And we're supposed to be imprrssed that a grand jury indicted Shaw
based on this testimony?