If created perfect as scriptures say, why would we need salvation?

All that matters are actions. People can say they are moral, believe in God...bla bla bla
If they lie, don't treat ppl equitably, etc...I could care less what they say.
Words mean zip to me anymore, unless the walk backs up the talk.

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All that matters are actions. People can say they are moral, believe in God...bla bla bla
If they lie, don't treat ppl equitably, etc...I could care less what they say.
Words mean zip to me anymore, unless the walk backs up the talk.

More than 120,000 people were willing to take and apply for training to take a one way trip to Mars. Now that is just about as bad as cutting your child's throat. I'd imagine there were some believers among that lot.

Well you are not going to be here to fed them are you. And starving someone is the slang for cutting their throat. With their throat cut they swallow but the food doesn't get into their stomachs.
I know it is a bit obscure but so was the original question: "How many believers here would cut their child's throat?".

I don't think for one second that those people who wished to go on the Mars trip were going to abandon their children to fend for themselves.
So it is nothing like cutting a child's throat.
And a bit obscure that would be an understatement.

Also believers have killed their children on many many occasions for numerous silly religious reasons. A believer given the right motivation IE he believed it was what God or Jesus wanted, he would kill his family without a second thought.
So the original question was not obscure in the least.

I don't think for one second that those people who wished to go on the Mars trip were going to abandon their children to fend for themselves.
So it is nothing like cutting a child's throat.
And a bit obscure that would be an understatement.

Also believers have killed their children on many many occasions for numerous silly religious reasons. A believer given the right motivation IE he believed it was what God or Jesus wanted, he would kill his family without a second thought.
So the original question was not obscure in the least.

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So if you were a believer, in the right circumstances you would cut your child's throat; is that what you've just told us?

Or are you generalizing from an unbelievers point of view about the behaviour of Christians (believers) you know of?

Who the Hell is going to come on this forum and admit to the willingness to cut their child's throat! Can a question like that be answered?

A humble man who embraced human sacrifice. That does not sound like I want to be humble.

No. We definitely do not share the same moral values.

I do not believe in punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Did Yashua punish anybody ?
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How many here do if I may ask?

How many believers here would cut their child throat?

You would not find any in this society
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Regards
DL

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What the hell are you talking about , Who is cutting throat ? who is making human sacrifice , were do you get this bull ? Abraham originally was a pagan like his father Tara, question ? Did Abraham cut the throat or not . The point is God did not allow him to cut the throat to make a human sacrifice.

What the hell are you talking about , Who is cutting throat ? who is making human sacrifice , were do you get this bull ? Abraham originally was a pagan like his father Tara, question ? Did Abraham cut the throat or not . The point is God did not allow him to cut the throat to make a human sacrifice.

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I think the image we get of Abraham with his hand raised ready to cut Isaac's throat is one that has stuck in my mind as pretty dam terrifying. It unsettles me. No matter of how nicely the story is told after that the damage to my brain has been done.http://www.reformation.org/abraham-isaac3.jpg

What the hell are you talking about , Who is cutting throat ? who is making human sacrifice , were do you get this bull ? Abraham originally was a pagan like his father Tara, question ? Did Abraham cut the throat or not . The point is God did not allow him to cut the throat to make a human sacrifice.

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The point was his readiness to do evil for a God who was doing evil with his demand for blood.

The point is that he completed his infanticide with his own son needlessly.

I think the image we get of Abraham with his hand raised ready to cut Isaac's throat is one that has stuck in my mind as pretty dam terrifying. It unsettles me. No matter of how nicely the story is told after that the damage to my brain has been done.http://www.reformation.org/abraham-isaac3.jpg

I can't imagine anyone just lying there ready to take that!

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I think part of the story is an example to give us as to how faithful Abraham was . If any thing I would look at it parallel to Yasua asking Peter " do you love me " and Probably Abraham took upon himself to show God how far would he go ( Abraham )

I think part of the story is an example to give us as to how faithful Abraham was . If any thing I would look at it parallel to Yasua asking Peter " do you love me " and Probably Abraham took upon himself to show God how far would he go ( Abraham )

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Yes. As far as to sell his soul to Satan as only a satanic God would indicate to a man that it is somehow good to murder your own child. Sacrifice is not the word to use here.

Or are you generalizing from an unbelievers point of view about the behaviour of Christians (believers) you know of?

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No! Not generalising, all believers have the potential of killing their children given the right motivation. Be they of any religious persuasion. They have already accepted one erroneous belief for no good reason, so they are susceptible to any other erroneous belief.

What the hell are you talking about , Who is cutting throat ? who is making human sacrifice , were do you get this bull ? Abraham originally was a pagan like his father Tara, question ? Did Abraham cut the throat or not . The point is God did not allow him to cut the throat to make a human sacrifice.

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No that isn't the point, the point is you do what your god wants or suffer the consequences. Also! Lets not forget Jephthah NIV Judges 11 - 29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: ‘If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.’and later 34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, ‘Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.’ and the deed was done 38 ‘You may go,’ he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

That's where Ben Goldacre got his quote, he plagiarized it, this is his. “You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.” - Ben Goldacre bad science. Same meaning different formation. I knew I'd seen it before.