I guess I just don't see them staying here under extended hardship. Instead of revolting against their Mexican leaders or working for reform in their own countries they come here. That's not very patriotic & doesn't show much character & it leads me to believe they'd do the same thing here if there were many tribulations.

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexican President Vicente Fox said he will send a bill to Congress asking lawmakers to give Mexicans living abroad the right to vote for president in 2006.

Currently, Mexicans have to return to their home country to vote. More than 20 million people of Mexican heritage live in the United States, and half of those are Mexican-born.

Fox's initiative, announced Tuesday at a hastily organized news conference at the presidential residence of Los Pinos, came on the eve of his three-day trip to Chicago, Minneapolis and Detroit, home to millions of Mexican-Americans and Mexican migrants.

PHOENIX - Backers of a drive to restrict government services to illegal entrants are using a last-minute cash infusion to try to get the measure on Arizona's November ballot.

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Backers say existing laws that require people to prove residency to be eligible for welfare and state-paid health care have not kept illegal entrants off the rolls.

Any benefit that is federally mandated, such as emergency health care or public education, would be unaffected. But the measure could impair the ability of those who are not here legally to get everything from library cards to water from city-owned utilities.

The initiative also would require proof of citizenship before people could register to vote and positive identification before they could cast a ballot.

Gov. Janet Napolitano and all members of the state's congressional delegation are on record in opposition to the initiative.

An inadequate sewage system in Mexico will continue to pose a threat to residents in the United States who live upstream from the Nogales Wash unless the two countries invest in long-term solutions, said Steve Owens, director of Arizona's Department of Environmental Quality.

Owens said a cleanup of sewage that spilled because of a clogged sewer line in Nogales, Sonora, was completed Tuesday. The clog, which occurred last week, sent an estimated 30 million gallons of water spilling into the Nogales Wash and on to Nogales, Ariz., causing a stink and creating a health hazard for the residents of that border city.

The agency hired private contractors to remove 210 tons of sludge from the concrete-lined portion of the wash just north of the border and spread about 600 pounds of chlorine in other parts of the wash to disinfect and help control odor.

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Catering to the large U.S. Hispanic market, Citigroup Inc. is introducing binational credit-card programs that can be used by Mexican clients living in the United States and their family and friends in Mexico.

The world's largest financial services group said in a news release Tuesday that the new program will allow Mexican residents to benefit from credit lines granted to Citigroup's U.S. clients and to withdraw cash from American accounts.

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Some 40 million Hispanics live in the United States, of which more than half are Mexicans. Mexicans living in America send more than $1 billion monthly to their families' bank accounts in their native countries, according to Mexican central bank data.

Hey SDY,
You don't have to tell me about any of this stuff as I live in Phoenix and the effects of this immigration can be seen daily. 2 days in a row there were car accidents involving 20 or more illegals in a truck. Both days, 2 people were killed. I can think of better things to use my tax dollars on than cleaning up messes that are caused by these people. Thanks for the info about the Citigroup credit card group also as I am 1 of their customers but I don't think I will be a customer for long. These guys make it appear that they are doing the work that nobody else will do but in the long run, we are paying more for their deeds than they are helping us. If you look at the Maricopa Sheriff website they display all of the bookings of recent arrests and I would say that 75 percent of them are illegals. What upsets me is the fact that they blame the U.S. for all of their deaths in the desert by people who were trying to cross the border.In fact, the other day when I was watching the news they had a story of relatives who filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government for the sum of 40 million dollars on behalf of their relatives dying in the desert. I understand that they basically are from a third world country with little or no future but they need to take that issue up with their own government. It's also maddening to see at my employment that the signs there are all written both in English and Spanish underneath the English. What the hec! If I lived in Mexico or South America, they would expect me to learn Spanish as I should learn Spanish since that is the native tongue there. Sometimes I listen to some of the guys at my job speaking their spanish to each other and I feel like telling them to learn English. I'm sure that they have the fake social security numbers and all but my employer had to hire them to fulfill the quota requirements.

Hey SDY,
You don't have to tell me about any of this stuff as I live in Phoenix and the effects of this immigration can be seen daily. 2 days in a row there were car accidents involving 20 or more illegals in a truck. Both days, 2 people were killed. I can think of better things to use my tax dollars on than cleaning up messes that are caused by these people. Thanks for the info about the Citigroup credit card group also as I am 1 of their customers but I don't think I will be a customer for long. These guys make it appear that they are doing the work that nobody else will do but in the long run, we are paying more for their deeds than they are helping us. If you look at the Maricopa Sheriff website they display all of the bookings of recent arrests and I would say that 75 percent of them are illegals. What upsets me is the fact that they blame the U.S. for all of their deaths in the desert by people who were trying to cross the border.In fact, the other day when I was watching the news they had a story of relatives who filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government for the sum of 40 million dollars on behalf of their relatives dying in the desert. I understand that they basically are from a third world country with little or no future but they need to take that issue up with their own government. It's also maddening to see at my employment that the signs there are all written both in English and Spanish underneath the English. What the hec! If I lived in Mexico or South America, they would expect me to learn Spanish as I should learn Spanish since that is the native tongue there. Sometimes I listen to some of the guys at my job speaking their spanish to each other and I feel like telling them to learn English. I'm sure that they have the fake social security numbers and all but my employer had to hire them to fulfill the quota requirements.

Sorry about the delay in responding to your post, rfont665, although I saw it earlier. I'm going to have to give more attention to this thread, but I get a bit busy sometimes.

Yes, Phoenix is on the firing line, too. I don't get up your way too often, but I think that Phoenix and Tucson are in the same boat, along with the rest of the Southwestern USA. Heck, the entire country is in peril, and those who are elected and paid to deal with the problem are doing a lousy job of it.

Well why dont America spends their 300 billion dollars of "defense" for defense?

I've often asked the same question myself. I've never really gotten a satisfactory answer.

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I bet you if the US military were to help to hunt and track drug smugglers, the inmigrant and the drugs problem would be solved.

Yes, but it doesn't even necessarily have to be the military. The existing Border Patrol could be transformed into a paramilitary force which should have access to the same tools and technology as the military. The military could still have a role in it, though, but from a different angle.

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Also morality should be teached on school and hard penalties should be put to drug users.

I can't say that I have any argument on this point. Further comments in this vein should be made in a separate thread, since I don't want to digress from the topic of this one by going into the subject of the lack of morality in school or the drug problem.

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I see american tv and in every show everyone has or uses mariguana, what does that says to vulnerable young minds?

I don't watch much TV anymore, except for the news.

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About border patrol, you just have to see who is behind those pseudo-vigilante groups to see where they are heading.

Well, it looks like they're getting put out of business for the time being. I don't think the Border Patrol likes being shown up like they have.

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There are many good American citizens that patrol the border on their own, they are armed but for self-defense and they carry phones to call the BP.

In this forums people have the impression that we all mexicans want to emigrate, or that we live in a postapocaliptic style country.

Seems like a smear job, although in that article you linked, it says that Spencer is a member of the JDL. Is there any verification of this? I hope it's not true.

That Aztlan crowd is a subversive bunch, and dangerous to America. So is the JDL, for that matter.

I know that they're still angry and resentful about the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, but it was war. The USA won, and Mexico lost. It's all history now. The real irony is that the USA actually paid ($30 million) for the territories gained from Mexico as a result of that war. The land I'm standing on right now was the result of the Gadsden Purchase ($7.5 million) which was made five years after the war was over.

I've been to Mexico, but only to border towns. I didn't see much need to go any further, although I'm aware that there are some nicer, more modern sections of Mexico as well. But it's very uneven, and many Americans view Mexico as a corrupt and virtually lawless aristocracy, built up on bribery and presumably controlled by the drug cartels. It's been viewed as a one-party dictatorship characterized by intrigue, fixed elections, and corruption at the highest levels of government. All the while, most of the populace lives in such dismal, dire conditions that they'll risk everything to get the hell out, even if it means illegal crossing the border and across burning deserts to get a job picking grapes or scrubbing toilets. Yeah, Mexico must be a paradise.

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Im for the closing of the border, i mean they get the best age of the men and then they deport the old ones.

Not sure exactly what you mean here, but I agree that the border should not only be closed, but heavily fortified as well.

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If the border were to be closed, the goverment would have to raise the life level. But they dont, mainly because it goes against the interests of wall street.

Well, yes, we have our share of corruption at the top, too. There are many enemies to contend with, on many fronts.

That's why our border is not protected and why our government all but turns a blind eye to it. What's even worse, they tie the hands of citizens who would do something about it.