There's a lot more to the story than just the "I never said that" phrase frequently used by isaac, when he posted under his own name here before getting banned...

After several months of observing db's posting habits here on the forum, I've noticed some patterns...one in particular being that the majority of the time he posts here, it's always between 11 PM and 1AM est. To me that would indicate two likely scenarios... limited internet access, or the use of a computer with a different ip address to be more specific. Thats the first clue.

The second clue is db's liberal usage of the names tweedle dee and tweedle dumb while making points favorable towards Ron paul. Isaac posted a youtube video of himself a while back, praising on paul, while using the names tweedle dee and tweedle dumb regarding Obama and Romney. It's also odd that almost immediately after I posted that connection and here, the video suddenly was yanked. GC saw it before he pulled it down, as I'm sure others have. Coincidence? No fucking way....but thats not all...

The third clue is, by doing some side by side comparisons between dbs arguments and insults and the flagrant posting of some of the same images here in the Breaking News thread, the Ron Paul thread, the Capitalism thread, the Political Opinions and Solutions thread, Hophopliberatarians, Ralph Bakshi forum, Isaacs twitter feed, Facebook and Myspace pages, and the impeccable timing between the two's oddly similar posts is more han mere coincidence.

The fourth clue is that not unlike isaac, db has inserted the center as the of attention on several threads....but wait...there's more...many many more...

...somebody said that if those two are one in the same, that they would listen to the Thana Harris vocal version of Sleepdirt in constant rotation for a year... you'd better keep your copy of the Ryko CD warm, and you might want to stock up on popcorn as well. It's about to get hilarious up in here...consider this Phase One of my db is ib list...

you have no CLUE as to what "Capitalism" is, nor what words like, "capital" or "petit bourgeois"

have to agree, go back & re-read part 2 [sociology] of db's original definition after reading this quote; petit bourgeois does not apply to an uncommonly creative capitalist who maintains control of his own bizniz and artistic affairs with a minimum of outside interference:

Wow, that's out of left field. Up until this I've had the utmost respect for you. DB was trying to say FZ was a "hard core" capitalist. You can fuck around with semantics all you like, but all I was referring to was the marxist definition of petit bourgeois and doing that just to distinguish FZ from the main power brokers of capitalism. Maybe I was being somewhat inaccurate, but when marxists speak of the struggle between capital and labour and refer to the bourgeois ruling class, they're not talking about individuals like Frank Zappa. Really, for experienced political scientists this is just abc. The point I've been trying to make all along is merely that capitalism is not equitable. A small group of extremely rich individuals get to rule the roost. FZ was not one of those, clearly.

Keep denying reality...one step at a time, polydigm.

slime.oofytv.set wrote:

This pretty much sums it up.

Now, let's hope the so-far-left-and-socialist-they-don't-even-know-the-meanings-of-the-words-Capitalism-capital-or-petit-bourgeois-to-save-their-lives, catch up to this reality...

And btw, thanks for your OWNAGE of polydigm and tweedle-dumb in this thread (it saved me a LOT of time). I was almost literally ROTF for several minutes before posting this...

A few mouse clicks on openly public information is hardly tantamont to stalking...and besides, the vast majority of stalkers and mass murderers are Conservatives. I don't exactly fit that profile, but you certainly do.

Re your article posted on the 24th of March entitled "Das Capitalist". Grammatically incorrect and wrongly spelled - it should be " der Kapitalist". Though why the Czechs (or anybody in Eastern Europe) should be speaking German is beyond me; the Sudeten Germans were expelled in 1945!

Yours, Dr. Pedant (rtd)

P.S. Also I can't read the article - the print is too small.

Since Karl Marx' major work is called Das Kapital, I suppose you could construct a masculine noun 'Daskapitalist' (which would use the definite article 'der'). A Daskapitalist would be someone who takes his/her most important directions from Marx' teachings in Das Kapital = a Marxist.

The exact semantic message of that headline would be that Zappa is a Marxist, which is of course as true/untrue as the rest of this thread.

Zappa didn't say that capital was the only reality he knew. He did say something like: "For me absurdity is the only reality." And that's why the Zappa Forum hasn't become TOTALLY IRRELEVANT yet.

I sometimes wonder what came first: is it the internet that attracts the sick people or is it the internet that makes people sick?

Th.

My opinion is that if a person is sick, it has little or nothing to do with the internet, and they'll find any means to be stupid, regardless. What strikes me as particularly odd though, is that some people feel the need to create multiple identities for themselves. That in itself could be suspect of the signs of a sick person, or at the very least, somebody with habit of committing fraudulent actions. Perhaps being a fraud is a form of sickness. I don't know, psychology isn't my area of expertise.

A few mouse clicks on openly public information is hardly tantamont to stalking...and besides, the vast majority of stalkers and mass murderers are Conservatives. I don't exactly fit that profile, but you certainly do.

So , you think you know me well enough to profile me , Spacedog ??Boy , are you out to lunch.

I'm not the one traveling through the web to try to find missing links , unlike yourself who seems to have this crazy motive to prove somebody may or may not be the same person. Then you admit to ' months ' of research.

...Zappa didn't say that capital was the only reality he knew. He did say something like: "For me absurdity is the only reality." And that's why the Zappa Forum hasn't become TOTALLY IRRELEVANT yet.

bm: do you consider yourself a true american through and through ¿

fz: absolutely; i'm 100% american, dedicated to the capitalist principles, totally against communism and socialism; i hate that stuff...

He also said he was a socialist -"isn't everyone?" - a Christian - "isn't everyone?" He certainly warned Havel and the Czechs that they shouldn't repeat the mistakes of Capitalist America when they had gotten rid of Communism. In Barcelona 1988 he pushed the idea of the hispanic world as a "tercer poder" between the Capitalist West and the Communist East. A myriadminded man, who is impossibly reduced in your humourless and polemical right wing interpretations - assuming that you're backing Disco Boy all the way now.

Did you not say that you wanted to introduce me to some of your *cough* friends who live across the border from you to discuss racism in another thread pedro2? I can pull up that link and post just in case memories need to be refreshed about that exact conversation.

fz: absolutely; i'm 100% american, dedicated to the capitalist principles, totally against communism and socialism; i hate that stuff...

Even more reality for the far lefties here (not that ANY more is needed).

DC Boogie wrote:

He also said he was a socialist -"isn't everyone?" - a Christian - "isn't everyone?" He certainly warned Havel and the Czechs that they shouldn't repeat the mistakes of Capitalist America when they had gotten rid of Communism. In Barcelona 1988 he pushed the idea of the hispanic world as a "tercer poder" between the Capitalist West and the Communist East. A myriadminded man, who is impossibly reduced in your humourless and polemical right wing interpretations - assuming that you're backing Disco Boy all the way now.

I'm not ashamed and your little hissy fit about something you THINK I said just shows what kind of people you and Spacer are.You guys take everything out of context and try to spin in in a way that's beneficial to your lame argument. Hell , boys , a barrel of a gun would probably fit nicely in your mouths too.

You want a threat SpaceHead ? Come to a few neighborhoods in this town , nah , we'll go across the river to Kentucky and I'll show you some real racists , and you can spew what you have on this forum , for the past 5 years , and then we'll see just how many gun barrels fit in your mouth. I don't even know those people across the river , but I'm sure if we try hard enough , we can find some that would LOVE to threaten you.

Thats not creepy, right?

Technically, and legally, you're inclusion of the words we'll and I'll are personal threats. Don't worry, I'm not a narc. I can take care of myself, thank you.

Between your lame ass bullshit and hollow threats, and having the audacity to preach about what creepy is, in addition to the other person above who decided to preach about ganging up on somebody and bullying them, who himself brags about ganging up and bullying a smart ass kid who obviously has other fraudulent accounts here, who in turn had a meltdown and ultimately had one of his accounts banned, you two are both nothing but pathetic hypocrits.

My actions to humiliate and embarass an obvious fraud doesn't even come close to either of your bullshit. It's too bad, because genuinely respected one of you, until he decided to protect his fraudulent buddy.

I have no doubts that a few of the cliquish a-holes here will decide to pounce on me for calling you hypocritical dickheads out.

Let it be restated once again: not against market economy in general, but I do have everything against Market Fundamentalism (quasi-religious faith in the efficiency of unregulated markets) in particular.

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one post was all it took, everyone jumps into my face about defending/siding with ... there's no side-taking here; disco boy needs noboby to protect him, but anyone agreeing with anything he posts brings out the bullies, piling on, page after page

pathetic ¿ ok , whatever .... hypocritical bully for bumping posts ¿ no guilt here; you won't find very much [if any] direct dialog between me & isaac, plenty of participants without my help, kept a very low profile with that guy during his last year or so on the forum - knock yourself out, bro, the evidence may only be few mouse cliks away

poly: our definitions on hard-core capitalist & petite bougoius don't agree, a hard-core capitalist is not the same as a power brokers of capitalism, whatever that means to you ¿ also the references to the struggle and the bourgeois ruling class in relation to zappa as a capitalist, hard-core or not ... hard-core capitalist can apply to all who practice capitalism, not just ceo types who pay half their workers 3 bucks/day, and layoff the rest ... db may be an obnoxious cunt when making his point, and he's not always 100% wrong, but always gets an aggressive inflammatory [and usually entertaining] response from all who disagreed, plus a few irrelevant comments from uninterested posters thrown in by for good measure, lame

50 bucks, spacebro', still on the table, shake 'em around a little ...

fz: absolutely; i'm 100% american, dedicated to the capitalist principles, totally against communism and socialism; i hate that stuff...

Even more reality for the far lefties here (not that ANY more is needed). …

Do you really base your views on something FZ had said, might have said or some stupid writer might have put in his mouth decades ago (I've read many interviews and quotes that never actually happened or - if on tape - were put in a different context)? How stupid is that? Come out of the closet now, button-up the pants, finally grow up, leave your little world of teenage fantasies and get a life! Really!

Th.

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What bugs me most about the political discussion here is how much of it is mainstream. The ideas put forth come directly from corporate media information sources, and seem to be trusted implicitly. Even mainstream educations are trusted, as if schools teach everything. I find this to be rather odd on a forum dedicated to a great iconoclast.

To me, it's obvious that "our system" is not what it appears to be. Electing someone never seems to solve anything, and if it ever did, the elected gets defamed or dead somehow.

Take a look at what is happening in Cyprus right now, and see who really runs the show.

All the arguments here are laughable to them, because they have not only misinformed you, but have mal-educated you, and now you are debating with others using the bad information. You have been stuffed into their mold.

Any input of logical counter-information is blasted as false, silly, "consiracy theory". The biggest conspiracy theory is the one that says there are no conspiracies.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford

I'll just add that I have never had a beef with you Slime nor is it my intention to argue/fight with you. I interpreted your quoting of pedro2, a guy who wants to see how nicely his gun barrels fits into my mouth and have his Red Neck friends lynch me, as stoking the flames.

Regarding the other person of discussion, if for any reason that the person of fraudulence happened NOT to be whose under my radar, it would strike me as even more odd that they seem to think exactly alike, post exactly alike, become a center of attention alike, discuss the exact authors, books polititians alike, have the exact same musical tastes and having both been linked to this forum, then the person is going awfully far out of their way to present themselves as the persons whose acount was banned. Even if they were different people, they're close enough to each other to be the conjoined twins, but thats taking the horse away from the cart.

As I said, I have no beef with you and have no intention of fighting with you, and this will be the last that I directly address you on either subject of pedro2 and db/ib..............that is until it's time to collect my 50 bucks.

What bugs me most about the political discussion here is...To me, it's obvious that "our system" is not what it appears to be....

What bugs me most about the political discussion is people who act like they've got it all figured out or tell other people how to post, but then never actually tell us what it is they've learned, not specifically anyway. Nearly everyone here does this. Questions like "who really runs the show?" are rhetorical and perhaps interesting, but don't move the conversation forward.Also, I'm sure you know that "obvious" has a similar if not the same meaning as "appears to be", just pointing that out, ya know, it its obvious that it is not obvious, doesn't make sense.

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Technically, and legally, you're inclusion of the words we'll and I'll are personal threats. Don't worry, I'm not a narc. I can take care of myself, thank you.

Here's an idea , Spacer . Take me to court on your ' definition ' of a personal threat and let's see where it goes. I can guarantee that I would be found not guilty . Then you and your bar fly lawyer would get sued by me for defamation of character . Sound like a plan ?

SPACEBROTHER wrote:

Between your lame ass bullshit and hollow threats, and having the audacity to preach about what creepy is, in addition to the other person above who decided to preach about ganging up on somebody and bullying them, who himself brags about ganging up and bullying a smart ass kid who obviously has other fraudulent accounts here, who in turn had a meltdown and ultimately had one of his accounts banned, you two are both nothing but pathetic hypocrits.

I call it as I see it and the way I see it , you are creepy and a stalker. Also , the word is hypocrite.

SPACEBROTHER wrote:

My actions to humiliate and embarass an obvious fraud doesn't even come close to either of your bullshit. It's too bad, because genuinely respected one of you, until he decided to protect his fraudulent buddy.

If I only had half a brain , it would be twice as good as that brainwashed grey matter you call a healthy mind. You really need to get some new material but what can you expect from a stalking bully anyway ?

Technically, and legally, you're inclusion of the words we'll and I'll are personal threats. Don't worry, I'm not a narc. I can take care of myself, thank you.

Here's an idea , Spacer . Take me to court on your ' definition ' of a personal threat and let's see where it goes. I can guarantee that I would be found not guilty . Then you and your bar fly lawyer would get sued by me for defamation of character . Sound like a plan ?

SPACEBROTHER wrote:

Between your lame ass bullshit and hollow threats, and having the audacity to preach about what creepy is, in addition to the other person above who decided to preach about ganging up on somebody and bullying them, who himself brags about ganging up and bullying a smart ass kid who obviously has other fraudulent accounts here, who in turn had a meltdown and ultimately had one of his accounts banned, you two are both nothing but pathetic hypocrits.

I call it as I see it and the way I see it , you are creepy and a stalker. Also , the word is hypocrite.

SPACEBROTHER wrote:

My actions to humiliate and embarass an obvious fraud doesn't even come close to either of your bullshit. It's too bad, because genuinely respected one of you, until he decided to protect his fraudulent buddy.

If I only had half a brain , it would be twice as good as that brainwashed grey matter you call a healthy mind. You really need to get some new material but what can you expect from a stalking bully anyway ?

Most of us grew up after middle school kids. Your insults aren't even interesting enough for the rest of us to care. My 12 year old writes better material. Get a private chat room to bitch at each other or get a room and finally release your sexual tension all over each other. No one here cares how much you love/hate each other.

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