Transvestite? Transgender? transsexual? Hermaphrodite? Caster Semenya (female runner from South Africa who has had the fact that she is a woman challenged. Her name is an anagram for "A secret man? Yes." Homosexual? Human? Animal? Are we trying to figure out who (or what) you do not know if it is male or female? Why you don't?

Transvestite? Transgender? transsexual? Hermaphrodite? Could be any of these, I have no clue and do not want to make assumptions.Caster Semenya (female runner from South Africa who has had the fact that she is a woman challenged. Her name is an anagram for "A secret man? Yes." Possible but unlikely. Homosexual? Maybe. Human? Most definitely human!

Animal? Not this.Are we trying to figure out who This(or what) you do not know if it is male or female? YesWhy you don't? and yes

Can we call the person of ambiguous sex Pat? (Since that could be male or female)?

Do you know Pat personally? Ever met Pat? Have you seen Pat on TV? Is Pat famous? (Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out which pronoun to use so I'm just going to have to call Pat Pat). Would most Americans know who Pat is? Is Pat alive? Adult? Is Pat an LTPF forum member? Related to you?

On a side note, when my mom was a lawyer she represented a transsexual who had shoplifted women's clothes. (S)he had undergone hormone therapy and therefore looked like a woman but hadn't actually had surgery so still had male genitalia. (And was apparently a beautiful woman, since one of the witnesses stated that she commented on her (his?) beautiful cheeks when (s)he came into the store. Anyway, they didn't know whether to send this individual to a men's or women's prison because if they put him with the men he'd get killed for having breasts and if they put him with the women he'd get killed for having male genitalia. So they gave him (her) solitary for his (her) own protection. But then s(he) sued because s(he) wasn't allowed the normal privileges of prisoners, such as yard, library, etc. and could not be denied them under the laws regarding shoplifting which did not normally permit solitary as punishment. My mom was hired pro bono (since all attorneys in New Jersey were at the time required to do a certain amount of hours pro bono) and wound up talking to the warden, arranging for this individual to have those rights, and the case was dropped.

Can we call the person of ambiguous sex Pat? You may(Since that could be male or female)? Sound reasoning.

Do you know Pat personally? I do not know Pat at allEver met Pat? Nope.Have you seen Pat on TV? No, I have never seen what Pat looks likeIs Pat famous? Most likely not(Sorry, I'm having trouble figuring out which pronoun to use so I'm just going to have to call Pat Pat). I understandWould most Americans know who Pat is? Probably notIs Pat alive? I hope so, otherwise things would be awkwardAdult? ProbablyIs Pat an LTPF forum member? Yes.Related to you? Highly unlikely

On a side note, when my mom was a lawyer she represented a transsexual who had shoplifted women's clothes. (S)he had undergone hormone therapy and therefore looked like a woman but hadn't actually had surgery so still had male genitalia. (And was apparently a beautiful woman, since one of the witnesses stated that she commented on her (his?) beautiful cheeks when (s)he came into the store. Anyway, they didn't know whether to send this individual to a men's or women's prison because if they put him with the men he'd get killed for having breasts and if they put him with the women he'd get killed for having male genitalia. So they gave him (her) solitary for his (her) own protection. But then s(he) sued because s(he) wasn't allowed the normal privileges of prisoners, such as yard, library, etc. and could not be denied them under the laws regarding shoplifting which did not normally permit solitary as punishment. My mom was hired pro bono (since all attorneys in New Jersey were at the time required to do a certain amount of hours pro bono) and wound up talking to the warden, arranging for this individual to have those rights, and the case was dropped.Cool! Good for your mom

Is Pat an LTPF member who does not list their sex in the profile? YesAnd has a gender-neutral name (like Pat or Chris)? Their name is gender-neutral in English at least...in other languages it would be a masculine nounIt wouldn't be me again would it? I have been working under the assumption that you are male. Was I wrong?

I take it I can't use the [LTPF List of LTPF members] since that would give it away? Normally I love invoking LTPF lists and do not mind answering them, but this time, yes, it would give it away. The title is a clue, and "Pat" is actually not that far off...

Oh, Potato? You do realize that's not the person's real name (I hope?) Yes. And I do indeed realize it. But there's nothing else for me to call him/her. And I've still got no indication on whether "Potato" is male, female, or whatever.

Meh. Halfway reading this thread, I started to think "Waitaminnit..." xD Too bad you were faster than me, lol. And I'm afraid you lost your bet, Peter, I'm female (and just absolutely hate having to do household chores) :-)

Hurrah! *grins at Potato* Glad I'm not the only one who hates household chores. :-D Feel free to make a puzzle out of me if you can think of one =P Your name just lent itself to easy (I thought) puzzling. Hope no offense was taken.

That means I guessed wrong too - I'm notably terrible at guessing the gender of LTPF members (except when the username includes the actual name). Potato has now joined the ranks of Gourami and Ohlala, among others, whose genders I have guessed wrong.

"Their name is gender-neutral in English at least...in other languages it would be a masculine noun "

Can't speak to some other languages, but it would definitely be a mistake to call Potato the masculine form 'el papa' en espanol (sorry, no tilde). 'La papa' (feminine) is the tuber; 'el papa/Papa' is the Pope, as those people (almost definitely Americans... sigh) who tried to sell t-shirts for a Papal visit to Mexico saying "Vi la papa!" ("I saw the potato!") know -- if they're real and not a translation legend... And that's your random amusing Spanish lesson for the day :-)

Now you know... and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe!

(So Potato, if you're still around, any particular reason you chose that name?)

;-) It's probably the only language I could possibly correct someone on (aside from English) usage-wise... and I had just remembered that bit about the shirts. If we were talking about French, I'd be in the same boat as you (1 quarter of 7th grade, 13 years ago)... No worries :-)