Why didn't anyone tell me about The Big Bang???

I am reading about the big bang and evolution. Did you know that the universe started from a tightly condensed piece of matter, exploded into total
chaos, and then miraculously formed a very organized and structured universe?

This is completely amazing to me – especially considering that the elementary laws of science claim that matter cannot be created or destroyed. So
that means that god is actually a unemotional, unconscious, ball of total chaos that appeared out of nowhere and created everything that is!!!!!

I think this is real because I read about it in a book. Actually I think there are several books about it. I wonder if people have faith in it? I
mean, it’s kinda hard to deny its existence when I’m actually watching a story about it.

Let’s start a religion! After all – faith is believing without having total proof – and we do not have total proof for this!!! It’s perfect!
Also it defies laws of physics by existing without a source – so it has already performed a miracle!

Hey, all you atheists out there, prove me wrong, but don’t come in here bashing me until you’ve read the books. I hate when people do that!

On a serious note: we are all different. We all have different beliefs and ideas. It is never a good idea to bash someone else’s faith, and is
downright mean spirited. We all live in a smelting pot, which we call Earth. While here we will all have different ideas and concepts on what shapes
and molds our reality.

While religious people have faith in a god or divine being, atheists have faith in a big bang or some other means of universal creation.

My deepest hope is that the members of ATS can begin to communicate in a more rational and comprehensive way, and perhaps begin to focus more on why
we are all here: our love of conspiracy.

You see – atheists – your “god” is a energetic reaction that came from nowhere that resulted in the big bang.

Our god, religious people’s god, is a conscious being that came from nowhere that created the universe.

So you see – we both have faith. And our own religion. You have a religion of science, while religious people have a religion of faith. And in
reality, the debate between science and God, is a religious debate.

And after everything we have seen in the world – religious debates never have and ending – they only get more violent and disruptive. So let us
reason together to cease these pointless debates and focus on what we are all here for: learning why “THEY” are out to get us! haha.

There is a book of fairy tales "facts" and there are book of experiments and observed facts.... no one is saying "i hope bacterias are alive, i have
faith in it".. we see bacterias are alive thru test and microscopes.

Antimatter is not nothing.

Failed attempted at ridiculing science while using a a science invention!

As an atheist, I take great offense when people assume they know my stance on the big bang theory. You said you're religious; you would no doubt be
offended if I assumed you hated gay people and stoned people to death, right? So, to assume that an atheist "has faith" in the big bang theory makes
an @$$ of u. whether or not an atheist accepts the theory as truth is irrelevant; we do or do not accept the theory based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, not
faith.

There is a book of facts and there are book of experiments and observed facts.... no one is saying "i hope bacterias are alive, i have faith in it"..
we see bacterias are alive thru test and microscopes.

Antimatter is not nothing.

Failed attempted at ridiculing science while using a a science invention!

edit on 6/15/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

You have missed the point of this post....

And I am having a hard time understanding how anything you just said relates to my post...

As an atheist, I take great offense when people assume they know my stance on the big bang theory. You said you're religious; you would no doubt be
offended if I assumed you hated gay people and stoned people to death, right? So, to assume that an atheist "has faith" in the big bang theory makes
an @$$ of u. whether or not an atheist accepts the theory as truth is irrelevant; we do or do not accept the theory based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, not
faith.

also, to call atheism a religion is so utterly ridiculous, i question whether or not you're serious. atheism is a word which describes a person who
has no belief in a deity. THATS IT. The disparities between beliefs and morals and lifestyles and viewpoints among the "atheist community" is huge
because THERE IS NO ATHEIST COMMUNITY. there are a few fringe groups who want to organize and "spread the word" but they in no way speak for all of
us. i don't belong to a group the same way a christian belongs to their church.

also, to call atheism a religion is so utterly ridiculous, i question whether or not you're serious. atheism is a word which describes a person who
has no belief in a deity. THATS IT. The disparities between beliefs and morals and lifestyles and viewpoints among the "atheist community" is huge
because THERE IS NO ATHEIST COMMUNITY. there are a few fringe groups who want to organize and "spread the word" but they in no way speak for all of
us. i don't belong to a group the same way a christian belongs to their church.

The point of my post was simply that we all have different view points, and that we should learn a basic respect for one another and not bash each
other.

This is completely amazing to me – especially considering that the elementary laws of science claim that matter cannot be created or destroyed.

Matter can be created and destroyed. It's matter and energy which must be conserved and not created or destroyed, only altered in form. Meaning
that matter can be converted into energy and vise versa. There is this one famous equation which shows this: E=MC^2

So if the universe only contained energy at the time of the Big Bang then that energy could have been altered in form to create the matter we see
today.

There is a book of facts and there are book of experiments and observed facts.... no one is saying "i hope bacterias are alive, i have faith in
it".. we see bacterias are alive thru test and microscopes.

Antimatter is not nothing.

Failed attempted at ridiculing science while using a a science invention!

edit on 6/15/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

You have missed the point of this post....

And I am having a hard time understanding how anything you just said relates to my post...

edit on 15-6-2012 by MentorsRiddle because: (no
reason given)

"You see – atheists – your “god” is a energetic reaction that came from nowhere that resulted in the big bang.

Our god, religious people’s god, is a conscious being that came from nowhere that created the universe."

preachy, assumptive diatribe about what you think my beliefs are. that's what i'm responding to. not your disguising of an atheist-hate thread with
the call for brotherly love at the end. you use sarcasm to make a person convinced by the big bang theory look ridiculous and then insinuate that
that's what all atheists look like.

but whatever, you have your motives for this thread and I'm obviously not playing ball,
PEACE.

There is a book of facts and there are book of experiments and observed facts.... no one is saying "i hope bacterias are alive, i have faith in
it".. we see bacterias are alive thru test and microscopes.

Antimatter is not nothing.

Failed attempted at ridiculing science while using a a science invention!

edit on 6/15/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)

You have missed the point of this post....

And I am having a hard time understanding how anything you just said relates to my post...

edit on 15-6-2012 by MentorsRiddle because: (no
reason given)

No one is saying we pray to the big bang, its a very plausible concept. Much better than your *wave wand and things pop*, What science is saying that
there is no way to prove the god person you created so we going to look over it..Another religious person calling Theories a faith is making my mind
melt.

As an atheist, I take great offense when people assume they know my stance on the big bang theory. You said you're religious; you would no doubt be
offended if I assumed you hated gay people and stoned people to death, right? So, to assume that an atheist "has faith" in the big bang theory makes
an @$$ of u. whether or not an atheist accepts the theory as truth is irrelevant; we do or do not accept the theory based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, not
faith.

True. Religions seem silly and dangerous to me, while the big-bang theory doesn't make sense to me. In fact, a beginning, or an end to energy seems
very strange to contemplate. So, to characterize people who don't believe in gods as having to believe in some other "beginning", is clearly
flawed.

We are all people with different beliefs but I don't think we will ever "all get along" sadly. There is always a hate monger or fear monger on what
ever side you stand on just waiting for a chance to jump in and twist the knife, so to speak.

I don't think we were supposed to be this way and can not even begin to imagine what it would be like to have people united. Not based on religion,
hate, fear, etc. Just united because we care about how our fellow man is faring in the world THIS DAY.

This will get buried or flamed, but it's JMHO. We are all failing to a degree. Regardless of which side you stand on... the world is a mess and that
lays at all of our feet.

As an atheist, I take great offense when people assume they know my stance on the big bang theory. You said you're religious; you would no doubt be
offended if I assumed you hated gay people and stoned people to death, right? So, to assume that an atheist "has faith" in the big bang theory makes
an @$$ of u. whether or not an atheist accepts the theory as truth is irrelevant; we do or do not accept the theory based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, not
faith.

True. Religions seem silly and dangerous to me, while the big-bang theory doesn't make sense to me. In fact, a beginning, or an end to energy seems
very strange to contemplate. So, to characterize people who don't believe in gods as having to believe in some other "beginning", is clearly flawed.

Well, there is the big bang theory, and it could also be that there was no beginning and everything was just constant (who says anything have to have
a start).. either way it does not prove a "god" aka "fill in the blank object".. even if you say god created then it goes on to who created god? this
is where religious people go.. um "god was always there".. see god is just a "fill in the blank".

I rather keep finding facts and new information than shutdown research and believe in this "fill the blank object".

As an atheist, I take great offense when people assume they know my stance on the big bang theory. You said you're religious; you would no doubt be
offended if I assumed you hated gay people and stoned people to death, right? So, to assume that an atheist "has faith" in the big bang theory makes
an @$$ of u. whether or not an atheist accepts the theory as truth is irrelevant; we do or do not accept the theory based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, not
faith.

True. Religions seem silly and dangerous to me, while the big-bang theory doesn't make sense to me. In fact, a beginning, or an end to energy seems
very strange to contemplate. So, to characterize people who don't believe in gods as having to believe in some other "beginning", is clearly flawed.

Let me be more clear.... WE all have our own understandings of the universe, and ideas. To to bash someone for their ideas is stupid.

My post was to make a point - that anyone can bash someone. Anyone can find flaws with something.

My final thought in my OP was that science is a religion - or a way and set of principals that people base their life on. God is a way and set of
principals that people base their life on.

No one will ever win the war in Science vs Religion. It will not happen. So to repeat the same thing over and over is insanity. So instead focus on
better things and create less hate.

This is a very simple concept, which I see has been lost on a majority.

The problem is most are thinking in construct through a given set of parameters. One could conceive the second before the big bang God had planned all
events that has ever happened and that will ever happen in the universe and beyond. It only took seven day to plan it all. How was time measured
before time existed? How long is a day for God? I hope some day to know the answer, but for now, I am just an advanced monkey left pondering a
question to which there cannot be found a proven and correct answer

I don't know if people can base their lives on the big-bang theory, but there is quite a history of people basing their lives on religious imaginings
which have not turned out well. So, I just don't respect religious thought whatsoever, since that would be quite dishonest of me.

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