Saturday, March 17, 2012

Ten Shot Overnight (UPDATE - 14, no 16!)

Ten people were shot across Chicago Friday evening and into Saturday morning, according to police.

These crime strategies are working amazingly badly. Sure, the shootings "in the box" might be down, but everywhere else, they're out of hand and there just aren't enough cops to put in any more boxes. We're stretched to thin and summer is likely to break it.

The NYPD implemented policies are not working here. The main reason is that the policies work when you have the manpower to play with. We don't. I truly believe that this is going to be one long hot summer.

Sigh, this is going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money. Known gangmembers and repeat offenders should be taken only to county and triaged to allow normal people to get first treatment, hopefully most will bleed out. Seriously, this shit is out of control with these thugs. And the fucking gut punch- us hard working taxpaying CHUMPS have to pay for these jagoffs to eat sleep and breed.

At what point will the mayor just have to say he was wrong and hire more police instead of just keep telling the public its all about the kids. It seems more like its all about the mayor because it sure don't sound like the kids are really safe now does it. COMPSTAT actually does work, but only with man power to address it. It identifies a trouble area, send more police to that area and the crime goes down. So the real reason the crime goes down is because there was more police, the compstat only tells where the more police should go.

Nice going Gerry McCarthy, whatever you are doing will surely be very hard to undo but then you won't have to live here after you collect your last City of Chicago paycheck.

A dozen and a half shot, one dead on a Friday, G8 taken away from Rahm, what's next?

Are you fully utilizing all your officers yet? Do you think it is time to hire a dozen or so new officers? The year I came on the City hired over 2,000 officers who are now retiring. Many are retiring early just to get away from here.

Officers who have long worked the south and west sides know how it is, you could have a cop on every corner and they would still kill each other.

Lester Maddox once observed the problem with conditions in the Georgia prisons was the quality of the inmates. It is similar in Englewood and on the west side. The problem is the quality of the residents and no amount of police officers can ever fix that.

I retired from the job and now teach at the college level. One of the points that we teach is the Kansas City Study of the 1970's which states that "Increased police presence does not necessarily reduce crime". This premise is the basis of Community Policing and every other political shell game supported by political hack police administrators and politicians cutting police budgets. The Reality is, and I mean the real Reality is that an increased police presence DOES reduce crime. We saw this when Fat Phil deployed office cops into Da Hood. Simply placing cops who had absolutely no intention of doing anything but to sit there, actually reduced crime. It worked! White folks driving in to cop dope were afraid of arrest. Dealers moved to other areas where there were no officers. Using that experience it should be clear that taking officers out of areas is going to encourage crime in those areas, especially areas like 016. It is realized that we will never have 13,000 officers again, because the City has shrunk. Yet we must also realize that you cannot keep taking people out of certain areas and assume that crime will go down in those areas. Communities and Peoples' lives are at stake.,

These people are shot as a result of Mayor Rahm Emmanuels and Superintendent Garry McCarthys failed policies and poor leadership. On behalf of the Citizens of the City of Chicago, I call for their immediate resignations.

"I understand why the city is saying response times are up. Today the 009 District was in a huge back log and 920 said per him unless it is an arrest situation 19-P all jobs. So that means as soon as they come out the jobs are assigned to him and then cleared"

CPD policy is all police 911 calls get assigned to a PO to respond.The 009 Sgt is 100% wrong.A CR should be issued, sustained, and Sgt suspended.The Dispatcher knows this is improper conduct.The Dispatcher should also be suspended.

We are understaffed. This “clearing the board” does not help us. In fact, it hurts us. “Clearing the board” makes it look like we have an adequate number of officers.

Why should a Sgt or Dispatcher stick their necks out?Everybody knows that if any of those jobs “go bad” the Sgt would be “Cozzied.”

Why should we take risks to help the city?Let the city change the dispatch policy (acknowledging Chicago does not have enough police officers) or hire more police.

Wait until the mentally ill run out of their meds from the mayor and governor closing down all those mental health clinics in order to save. They'll be hitting the streets soon if you haven't taken any calls already.

Let's see how much we save as the E-R rooms and trauma centers go on bypass. Yeah boy, we're saving now eh.

Don't look at that over there though.

Look at this over here at how many kids have been struck by speeding vehicles in schools zones and near parks. Look at them all. Where are they? How many where there today, this week, this month, this year?

((crickets)).

That's funny. I haven't seen a single story in the press about this speeding vehicle carnage. Have you?

Nevertheless we got to get those speed trap cameras in baby! Millions of dollars are at stake and the mayors friend needs a contract.

Fine the children and take their lunch money too because their shoe laces are untied that will teach them disciple and to not mess with authority. Get them ready for their mindless corporate factory welding jobs. Just sit down and shut up and pay your taxes like the city council told you to do.

SPEAKING OF THE CITY COUNCIL!

Sixteen people shot and not one aldermen in the main stream media demanding anything of the mayor. Not one. Maybe I missed it, there's gotta be one right? How about you, any of you seen the aldermen speaking out?

What are we paying taxes for? What? Tell me. To be told to sit down and shut up?

They're not even passing out flyers anymore to tell you to shelter in place inside our homes because it's too dangerous. These are our elected representatives? Are there ANY leaders among them or are they just here to collect a paycheck and go with the flow of whatever the machine wants and then play the victims? Yeah you know the answer and so do I

They're useless.

So showcase it mayor. Showcase what the elite NATO leaders have created.

Effective immediately - All 016 district units are to re-deployed elsewhere and will have only 3 early & 3 late cars working the entire district around the clock until the shooting cease in ;002, 003,004,005,006,007,008,009,010,011,014,015,021,022,024,025.This manpower increase will most certainly curtail this unusual spike in violence the above areas currently experiencing this unfortunate phenomena.The Department has been reassured by Tommy Skilling that temperatures will come down and we will soon see peace across the entire city. We urge all citizens to remain calm and carry on their normal activities such as hanging on street corners or just sitting on porches at 2:00am.(disclaimer)"...ALTHOUGH NOBODY IS IN CUSTODY, DETECTIVES ARE INVESTIGATING AND POLICE ARE SEARCHING...".

congrats democrats, liberals, obama supporters and socialists, you finally got the city and country you wanted, you fucking retards!!!!you should all have been aborted in the womb you pieces of shit. youve ruined this once great, beautiful country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're importing the criminal drug cartel element granting them sanctuary because the crisis that these members of society create the politicians can use plain and simple.

Oh-no, don't address the root causes of the violence, the illegal immigration issue. Use the crisis for your personal social-economic political gain.

Tell us how ignoring laws conforms with your Broken Windows bullshit of sweating the small crimes to send the message that the laws matter.

Stop trying to deport illegals as it will break up the (drug cartel) families trying to make themselves a better life the political apparatus cries.

We even get it at the top level of government. The message that the law doesn't matter.

While is can be argued that many of the people getting caught doing the shootings today here are US citizens it can also be argued that the shootings are a result of the sanctuary city illegal immigrant culture that has been imported here and spreading.

This is not a gun control issue it's a cultural issue and the political apparatus created it and is encouraging it to continue.

Soon we will be finding the bodies being beheaded in the parks like in Mexico as it's allowed to continue. It's the culture.

The violence, shootings, and fear create the distractions away from the ongoing investment banker crimes and the presidential immunity from prosecution granted to corporations.

We need that. We can use that.

Now tell us how letting the trillion dollar banking frauds off the hook conforms with Broken Window law enforcement.

The fear creates a distraction away from our own Department of Justice running guns to Mexico providing the drug cartels with much needed USA support to keep the violence on going. Broken Windows?

You are not fooling the people with this Broken Windows marketing slogan bullshit that provides the excuses to pick and choose which laws are going to be enforced and who they will be enforced upon and how the main stream media will spin it to provide backup for your actions.

Look at the actions and not the words.

At a moments notice the city can and will mobilize thousands of mercenary para-military police for curfew violations in a show of force squashing the demands for justice and squashing the calls by the people for prosecution of the investment bankers.

On the other hand as the shootings and violence flares in the city I ask you where is that same overwhelming show of force?

The message could not be clearer to anyone with a level of intelligence in this city and it's not the Broken Windows message bullshit that we're buying.

Leaving the trillion dollar banker frauds off the hook that has had massive global ramifications in favor of chasing misdemeanor city ordinance curfew violations and speed trap cameras enforcement is not sending the message that the law matters. It sends the message that the political apparatus is corrupt and the police are there to protect the corruption so that it may continue.

MLM == Martial Law by May because the real message being sent is the laws don't matter. They are just a matter of opinion like the US Constitution is a mere suggestion. The words are twisted and given new meanings as the clouted class desires to suit their needs.

How else are they going to control the situation than by creating a police state with curfews IN THIS WORLD CLASS CITY.

Some people say that the crime rate is a-going down / while walking through shell casing as the bloods flowing round / there's another ten-one tonight on the south side / but the stabbings and shootings are all on the rise.

Box strategy does not work. Having all the officers back from TRU and MSF does not work. The need for a city wide unit is pretty evident... I'm not saying that because I was in TRU or MSF -- I wasn't. But I know the truth when I see it.

I'm sick and tired of NO police working in middle income tax paying neighborhoods. I'm talking about all tax payers who live in the the city, not just my own. If some poor tax paying family gets hurt or killed because we have to consentrate on the boxes, I will go to the media. And not just for me, but for all hard working god fearing families.

16 shot overnight in a matter of hours AND ITS NOT EVEN SUMMER. 4 in 009 but no shootings occured in the restricted box which CONFIDES police to a few block radius. As long as there were no shootings in the box this new strategy must be working forget the backlog the entire night and the countless shootings that DID occur in 009 and 011. If it didnt happen in the box, then did it really happen? MAYBE THIS STRATEGY SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED CITYWIDE NOT JUST 009 AND 011. FORGET THE FU$KED UP PILOT PROGRAM SOMEBODY PUT THIS IDEA IN THE SUGGESTION BOX BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING IF THE GOAL IS TO REACH LAST YEAR'S HOMICIDE TOTAL BY AUGUST.

"What are we paying taxes for? What? Tell me. To be told to sit down and shut up?"

Yes....exactly...and vote Democratic, from Obama, on down the ticket (Governor, Sate Senators and Reps., State's Attorney, etc., etc.)...WE! The DEMOCRATS! KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU!....now BE QUIET, AND LISTEN!..

What is the name (if you can) of the p.o.s. detectives kid who started the crazy roaches in 008. Why isn't his daddy beating the fuck out of him?? Does the dad even know? Did someone try talking to the dad? This kid is going to get shot, police kid or not and I'm thinking its going to happen soon. Anyone have a description of the kid or colors they wear?

commander dave jarmus better obtain a CR# on that sgt for 19p assignments without an officer responding , if a po did that from coffee shop , it would be a 10 day suspensionwhere's our supt on this onefine example of a merit promotion

A absolute bloodbath. 16 shot Friday evening into Saturday morning. Saturday is off to a early start as another 4 shot Saturday afternoon, bringing the total to 20 shot as of 5 PM Saturday and we are only 1/2 way through the weekend.

(OT) been reading on different threads about a gang in 008 called the "roaches" supposedly the leader is a Chicago detectives kid? really? what is the cowardly detectives name who allows their punk kid to start this shit? That is how the popes started,the drunken copper father never stood up to his kid,and others joined, until they burglarized a coppers home got her .357 magnum,and like the cowards the popes are,went by 62nd and Melvina by the school and killed 2 innocent 13 year old girls,shot them both to death,now the parents are crying as their "innocent" children If your a copper and are not aware of what your kids are doing,stop being an asshole going out drinking,pay attention!! before they are serving in prison. Time to stamp out the "roaches" you allow your kids to do this you are no better then the welfare animals! "Parenting what a concept!"

McStupid has come up with many ideas. So far they are not working. Our city is going down the drain. The BOX THEORY is not working. What great new idea will he come up with. His lap dog (AW) will agree with whatever his new idea is. We should bring back the crystal ball unit. NOT.

Oh no wait. I know what his new idea is going to be. Hire a Navajo Indian to do a rain dance. Crime will stop. Yeah that's the ticket. He is a genious. He is like the second commin of Christ. The guy is the answer. Kinda like the new Cubs GM.

Oops! Make that 5 shootings and 6 victims in 009. 2 more this afternoon at 53/Albany. Funny thing is 4 out of 6 victims were outside the violence zone boxes. That's what you get when you create a vacuum by our absence, shits gonna fill that void. Brilliant strategy!

"I understand why the city is saying response times are up. Today the 009 District was in a huge back log and 920 said per him unless it is an arrest situation 19-P all jobs. So that means as soon as they come out the jobs are assigned to him and then cleared"

CPD policy is all police 911 calls get assigned to a PO to respond.The 009 Sgt is 100% wrong.A CR should be issued, sustained, and Sgt suspended.The Dispatcher knows this is improper conduct.The Dispatcher should also be suspended.

We are understaffed. This “clearing the board” does not help us. In fact, it hurts us. “Clearing the board” makes it look like we have an adequate number of officers.

Why should a Sgt or Dispatcher stick their necks out?Everybody knows that if any of those jobs “go bad” the Sgt would be “Cozzied.”

Why should we take risks to help the city?Let the city change the dispatch policy (acknowledging Chicago does not have enough police officers) or hire more police.

Don't "clear the board."

3/17/2012 10:41:00 AM

I agree. By doing this you not only deprive legitimate citizens police service but you also lead McNutty and Rahm think their hare brained ideas are working.

Commander Robert Hargesheimer - Dumped from the Youth Division to a far southside Police District....Finally says...I got the message, I am retiring!

When will Hector Rodriguez, Bobby Lopez, Eugene Williams, Walter Green and a few others get the hint. Leave enjoy life and spend time with your families and friends. I hope these guys don't end up like Risley, John Thomas and most recently Kupczk.

"Roaches" they are not a gang. What they really are is group of big mouth, dope smokin, wannabees with little to no supervision. Everyone keeps talking about the "detectives" kid. I got news for you, it's his step child. I work with WR he is a good guy. His wife has let that kid turn into the complete turd that he is. What we need is the 8th dist to lock these kids up every chance they get to send these clowns a message, this isn't Englewood. No breaks or free passes.

018 up for grabs tonight. The combination of the drunks and the kids has turned the district upside down. The kids are tearing up the district and 1800 called in reinforcements from throughout the city. Who would have thought that on an 85 degree St Patricks Day that the district would be up for grabs? Did anyone think we might need more troops on the ground today based on the totality of circumstances?

A absolute bloodbath. 16 shot Friday evening into Saturday morning. Saturday is off to a early start as another 4 shot Saturday afternoon, bringing the total to 20 shot as of 5 PM Saturday and we are only 1/2 way through the weekend.

3/17/2012 05:03:00 PM

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Bump the homicides by two. The six year old girl and the man on 800 e. 79th.

Oh no wait. I know what his new idea is going to be. Hire a Navajo Indian to do a rain dance. Crime will stop. Yeah that's the ticket. He is a genious. He is like the second commin of Christ. The guy is the answer. Kinda like the new Cubs GM.___________________________________

Anonymous said...I retired from the job and now teach at the college level. One of the points that we teach is the Kansas City Study of the 1970's which states that "Increased police presence does not necessarily reduce crime". This premise is the basis of Community Policing and every other political shell game supported by political hack police administrators and politicians cutting police budgets. The Reality is, and I mean the real Reality is that an increased police presence DOES reduce crime. We saw this when Fat Phil deployed office cops into Da Hood. Simply placing cops who had absolutely no intention of doing anything but to sit there, actually reduced crime. It worked! White folks driving in to cop dope were afraid of arrest. Dealers moved to other areas where there were no officers. Using that experience it should be clear that taking officers out of areas is going to encourage crime in those areas, especially areas like 016. It is realized that we will never have 13,000 officers again, because the City has shrunk. Yet we must also realize that you cannot keep taking people out of certain areas and assume that crime will go down in those areas. Communities and Peoples' lives are at stake.,

3/17/2012 09:54:00 AM

The Kansas City study was flawed you idiot. You call yourself a college professor? Presence alone does not reduce crime. Proactive policing works. Under Cline, the officers assigned to high crime areas made numerous stops and found guns and drugs. Today beat cops are stuck in boxes unwilling to use proactive tactics from the past. Under Cline we had exempts with actual street experience. Today every promotion is openly based on clout. I feel sorry for your students.

Guys can you even imagine what the summer is going to be like? Get to the range and work out. Watch your own and your partners back. Let these animals kill each other and just make sure you go home safe.

Speaking of homicides, thought you guys should know (if you're not already aware) that the "wildings" of last summer are back in action.It's only a matter of time before someone is actually killed amidst all of this chaos.

Was at Chicago and Wabash at about 9:30 this evening having some fro yo with a friend. There were mobs of teenage kids clogging up the sidewalks and blocking most, if not all the streets during the light changes. All of these kids were black, and clearly looking to start something as they were all yelling and screaming at each other constantly. Things came to a head about ten minutes later on Wabash right in front of Chik Fil A. Cops showed up, and I thought everyone would scatter. Not so. Once the tear gas came out my friend and I got the hell out of there. It's only March! What's to come in June, July, August when temps really heat up?!

"I understand why the city is saying response times are up. Today the 009 District was in a huge back log and 920 said per him unless it is an arrest situation 19-P all jobs. So that means as soon as they come out the jobs are assigned to him and then cleared"

WBBM Radio reporting that 5 people were shot within a 20-minute period this afternoon, apparently including a six-year old girl in 3000 block N. Springfield. Two bangers fired from a vehicle, she was hit, rushed to hospital in critical condition, and has apparently died.

Another successful "rite of passage" into full-blown manhood for the triggermen. Blasting a little girl takes cojones -- something to really make a guy stand tall, huh?

One kid in the crazy roaches is a thin bald kid has no hair or eyebrows he goes to kennedy his stepfather is a p.o. and is aware the kid is a massive p.o.s problem is the mother is in denial and cannot control the little bastard

Anonymous said... "I understand why the city is saying response times are up. Today the 009 District was in a huge back log and 920 said per him unless it is an arrest situation 19-P all jobs. So that means as soon as they come out the jobs are assigned to him and then cleared"

CPD policy is all police 911 calls get assigned to a PO to respond.The 009 Sgt is 100% wrong.A CR should be issued, sustained, and Sgt suspended.The Dispatcher knows this is improper conduct.The Dispatcher should also be suspended.

We are understaffed. This “clearing the board” does not help us. In fact, it hurts us. “Clearing the board” makes it look like we have an adequate number of officers.

Why should a Sgt or Dispatcher stick their necks out?Everybody knows that if any of those jobs “go bad” the Sgt would be “Cozzied.”

Why should we take risks to help the city?Let the city change the dispatch policy (acknowledging Chicago does not have enough police officers) or hire more police.

Don't "clear the board."

3/17/2012 10:41:00 AM

The tapes should be pulled and the Sgt should take time. Or how about we all let him work the whole district 99..............

(OT) been reading on different threads about a gang in 008 called the "roaches" supposedly the leader is a Chicago detectives kid? really? what is the cowardly detectives name who allows their punk kid to start this shit? That is how the popes started,the drunken copper father never stood up to his kid,and others joined, until they burglarized a coppers home got her .357 magnum,and like the cowards the popes are,went by 62nd and Melvina by the school and killed 2 innocent 13 year old girls,shot them both to death,now the parents are crying as their "innocent" children If your a copper and are not aware of what your kids are doing,stop being an asshole going out drinking,pay attention!! before they are serving in prison. Time to stamp out the "roaches" you allow your kids to do this you are no better then the welfare animals! "Parenting what a concept!"

3/17/2012 05:41:00 PMI remember that murder/err homicide well it was right outside of Hale School, girls in 8th grade,with 2 gang banging punks in car the cowards that killed the girls did not shoot the gang banging morons tragic scene! I agree if your a copper what are YOUR kids up to? where are they at? Sometimes the parents are so messed up they have no idea how to raise children like you stated "just like ghetto animals"!

Anonymous said... commander dave jarmus better obtain a CR# on that sgt for 19p assignments without an officer responding , if a po did that from coffee shop , it would be a 10 day suspensionwhere's our supt on this onefine example of a merit promotion

What is going on with this violence zone nonsense? All of Englewood is a violence zone. Doesn't make any sense and now this idiotic plan is spreading to 008, Holding cars down on a five block radius and telling the zone they are not to take calls outside that area. This is a prime example of lack of police street knowledge and failure in leadership on what works to curtail violence. How about talking to your troops and asking for their input and ideas since we are your front line. This Department is becoming a total embarrassment to work for.

Beat 920 coding all jobs 19-P because they were in a RAP is crazy. If I as a P.O. Did this I would be fired. How can he get away with coding any job he has know idea what's going on. The call takers take the call and sometimes the job is not what's listed. It could be a lot more serious then listed. Or things could get out of hand because no police are coming. This could really back fire. This Sgt should be up on charges of failure to do his duty.

The guilty was 920 3rd Watch on 16 March 2012. Maybe this will be helpful for the CR investigation. It will be easy to find it on the tapes. He said it to the dispatch and the relief dispatcher. Both dispatchers went along with it. The dispatchers will be left holding the bag if something bad happens. To all dispatchers turn on your light and tell your boss what this or any other one who wants to trick bag you. Then you are truly covered. Let the bosses take the time.

those irish start drinking and they go buck wild and start shooting each other--- I'm sure that olr and res north and lutheran general were full of red heads loaded with bullet holes--- that edison park posse can get especially violent---

Ok everyone......we have a theme song for Chicago,,, everyone clap your hands....A one, a two, a three......We put the bodies in the ground...We put the bodies in the ground...We put the bodies in the ground...We put the bodies in the ground...

"One kid in the crazy roaches is a thin bald kid has no hair or eyebrows he goes to kennedy his stepfather is a p.o. and is aware the kid is a massive p.o.s problem is the mother is in denial and cannot control the little bastard"

--3/17/2012 10:57:00 PM

I have seen it where the father is scared to death of the kid and the mother is like a terrible roaring bear defending everything the little shit does. This was Hiawatha Park crowd -- just as bad. Kid's laughing his head off at both of them and keeps right on throwing rocks.

This will go on until someone mails the kid back to his house, one piece at a time. Or something like that.

I was born waaay downstate a long time ago, spent a couple years living in the Chicago area, and write this as an IL expat who got out in the 80s, w/o regret.

Over the decades it's never ceased to amaze me that with all the evidence of failed Democrat 'leadership' staring them in the face, the states' citizens continue to ignore reality and re-install, year after decade, the same carpetbagging thugs over and over and over again.

Your current disgrace of a mayor, of like mind with the communist filth currently usurping the White Hut, is a stellar example.

Chicago seemed a fine city in my short time there long ago, but on reading this blog today I wouldn't go back now on a bet.

If IL citizens had not allowed themselves to be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights, many of the irredeemable scum you're dealing with at the moment would be in body bags where they belong - put there by the citizens they would otherwise assault/rob/maim/murder - and not roaming the streets terrorizing a disarmed populace and a shamefully undermanned police force.

I only know it's a shame that Chicago is rapidly on its way to third world status, and my hat's off to those of you dealing each day with the feral human garbage at the root of it all, be they in the Southside or in City Hall.

The wife may be letting the kid get away with everything but the dad (step or not) shouldn't get a pass because he's a nice guy. Listen to yourself covering for this idiot (the dad). When the son commits a murder or robs your house or convinces some 13 year old girl to suck his d!(% we'll see how understanding you are about the dad being a nice guy. Nice has nothing to do with it. Be a parent and not an animal in the ghetto letting the street raise your offspring.

I worked in 011 with him when he was a PO and he was a goof back then and I suspect the kid will be the same when he's an adult.

I'm not sure if the kid was a problem last year but the dad was to busy having a mid life crisis with the red corvette He bought and drove around the neighborhood day and night cruising archer. Geez man, give it up and work on the kid. Please!

i know these crazy roaches, ive known them when there was just 6 of them. the cops arent hittin theses kids hard enough because theres over 100 of them now. now the neighborhood kids are trying to kick these losers off the streets.