A record-breaking cold spell in Western Australia's agricultural heartland has shattered farmers' hopes of enjoying a bumper crop harvest.

Temperatures in the southern Wheatbelt dipped between 0 and minus 5 degrees Celsius on both Saturday and Sunday morning, while the Great Southern town of Newdegate recorded its lowest-ever temperature of minus 4.3 degrees.

Farmers woke to discover heavy frost gripping their wheat and barley crops, which were expected to deliver a combined 14 million tonne harvest this year.

Kojonup farmer Dan Ladyman, whose property is about 260 kilometres south-east of Perth, said the frost was fierce and widespread.

"First impressions was that it was obviously pretty severe," he said.

"It wasn't like the shadows were just frosted, it was a complete white out."

He said any significant damage to his crops would become apparent in the coming days.

"We probably expect to see a bit of damage in the canola and lupins that have been flowering, and hopefully nothing with the cereals because they aren't flowering yet for us," Mr Ladyman said.

"For us, in another two of three weeks when we're flowering is when we definitely don't want to be having (frost).

"But that's the game that we're in â€” we've just got the learn to be able to ride it out if it does happen."

Have you investigated if Antarctic cold fronts etc can reach us more easily due to the weakened and chaotic Southern Jet Stream? Or are you just wanking on with “Local cold so ice age?” You DID note the hot NH summer just passed? What caused that?

Have you investigated if Antarctic cold fronts etc can reach us more easily due to the weakened and chaotic Southern Jet Stream? Or are you just wanking on with “Local cold so ice age?” You DID note the hot NH summer just passed? What caused that?

Robert Felix will answer all your questions:

Carl Sagan — 'Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.'

Robert W. Felix is a crank extraordinaire promoting his own brand of Earth changes, which acts as a framework that he can shoehorn various other types of crankery into. All of his "theories" revolve around pole shifts and cosmic rays.

Again with the Al Gore bullshit. It is a sign you have no arguments, Booby. It show your case doesn’t stand up under its own weight let alone any counter agruments.

There will be no glaciation for 100,000 years. AGW is accelerating. In the AGW board I just posted a paper how pink algae can colonise the film of meltwater on the ice, thereby darkening the ice and speeding the ice melt.

The "news" section seems to exist mostly to document any time at which a snowflake falls anywhere in the world (proof of the coming ice age!) and parrot whatever the latest denialist idiocy is, usually something from Piers Corbyn or Tim Ball. He also hawks his thoroughly "researched" books here.

Cosmic rays triggering volcanoes. So CRs penetrated deep underground do they Booby? And when there melt gigatons of rock into lava do they Booby? If they could—CRs would have long ag wiped the surface of the planet clean of life!

Volcanoes, if big enough, cause some minor and temporary cooling. Scammers like Dubyne make a big deal out of them—always a volcano somewhere but they make little enough impact. Just enough to be noticed with scientific instruments.

Volcanoes, of course, are a handy excuse for all sorts of things: Antarctic ice is melting more than new ice forms—must be volcanoes. Now it is volcanoes heating the oceans? Bullshit: the volcanoes have always been on the Mid Ocean Ridges (Iceland is a part of the Atlantic MOR that is above sea level) and are not the main source of heating as that is only in the top 2000metres, mainly the top 700 metres.

Declining sea levels—except sea levels are rising, faster and faster.

What an idiot Booby is, what a fucking moron to solemnly watch all these bullshit videos and believe all the crap spewed up in them. Utterly worthless rubbish.

29/08/2018Temperatures have fallen below zero across much of Melbourne as our freezing end to winter intensifies.The CBD has had its equal-coldest morning since June last year, dropping to 0.8° about 6am.But things are more dramatic at Melbourne Airport where the minimum of -1.9° —the coldest late-winter morning in more than 50 years, according to the weather bureau — has forced ground staff to de-frost plans at Tullamarine.Elsewhere around Melbourne:Coldstream: -3.6°Viewbank: -2.4°Scoresby: -2.1°Brighton: 0°

Saturday 15th September 2018 was - a few days ago -was very cold in Melbourne.I think the temperature in the morning was 4 degrees & 85% humidity.It was back to winter temperatures.I had a T shirt, a brushed cotton shirt, 2 jumpers,a beanie & a scarf and I was still cold, even inside.I was at a friend's place for a while & their gas heater had broken down.They were sitting on the couch with blankets over them.

Is this really global warming in spring?

We did get a hot day on the Friday, the day before that - it reached 24 degrees & was great.

Carl Sagan — 'Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.'

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Nothing to do with global temperature trends. Nothing is provided in the way of weather systems. I keep pointing the idiot to the Southern Jet Stream being weak and allowing Antarctic air and extreme cold fronts to reach us. That would be thinking tho and that is hard. Much easier to just uncritically watch dodgy YouTubes by people who know nothing about science, climate etc.

HBS Guy wrote:Local cold.Nothing to do with global temperature trends. Nothing is provided in the way of weather systems. I keep pointing the idiot to the Southern Jet Stream being weak and allowing Antarctic air and extreme cold fronts to reach us. That would be thinking tho and that is hard. Much easier to just uncritically watch dodgy YouTubes by people who know nothing about science, climate etc.

Monk,If you would have bothered to read my mini ice age thread -it wasn't a local event - it covered all of Victoria - (not just Melbourne,)southern NSW & even Perth.All the ski resorts are still doing well in Spring - plenty of snow.You would also found out how NZ is covered in snow on the South Island.

So don't talk about local cold as though one small place got cold.

You can't ignore contrary evidence to global warming.

If you apologise I might let you & Aussie back into the environment forum.It's up to you.

Carl Sagan — 'Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.'

It is still local cold. Have you researched the weather system (cold front etc) that brought that local cold? Does the weaker Southern Jet Stream allow these Antarctic air/systems to reach us more easily?

That would be thinking, that would be research, much easier just to watch a dodgy YouTube by a smooth talking snake oil seller. A cold night, regardless of cause—Ice Age! Most of Australia being hot in April, most of Australia having a warm winter—no mention.

You are a joke.

You are also no Mod so you can shove the Dubyne MRB up your arse, you fairy!

HBS Guy wrote:It is still local cold. Have you researched the weather system (cold front etc) that brought that local cold? Does the weaker Southern Jet Stream allow these Antarctic air/systems to reach us more easily?

That would be thinking, that would be research, much easier just to watch a dodgy YouTube by a smooth talking snake oil seller. A cold night, regardless of cause—Ice Age! Most of Australia being hot in April, most of Australia having a warm winter—no mention.

You are a joke.

You are also no Mod so you can shove the Dubyne MRB up your arse, you fairy!

You're a nasty bastard Monk,abusive and always an answer for everything -"the weaker Southern Jet Stream "as though you know something that the rest of us don't.

I present the facts not some weird theory with no links & expect everyone else to believe me.

Then your fan boys like Aussie & Smith back you up like some pair of Gerry Gee dolls -your little well trained puppets.

I admire people who go outside the mainstream of current thinking -people who can think for themselves -not slaves to the media & what is rammed down their throat every day.

I honestly don't know if the climate is cooling or warming but I'm prepared totake all evidence & add it to the equation.We've had some extraordinary cold weather in the Southern hemisphere this winter 50 year records - & it's not letting go in Spring -just as David DuByne & Robert Felix predicted -in fact it's happened faster than even they predicted -they weren't expecting the worst of it till 2030.I hope you freeze your arse off in Tassie -you deserve it for being such an arse clown.

Carl Sagan — 'Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.'

I you want YouTubes only search for Dr Jenifer Sanders, expert on the Jet Streams.

But the Jet Streams used to be strong and fast and regular.

Part of the Northern Jet Stream blew along the Mediterranean! Put moist air over the Arabian Peninsula. Snake oil seller Dubyne would have had a video about the Arabian desert covered with lots of little lakes between the sand dunes? AGW created those lakes: that bit of the Jet Stream and two storms arose in the West Arabian Gulf for the first time ever. One went over the Arabian Pen. and with the moisture there created heavy rain. That snow was likely an effect of desert cold on the remnants of moisture in the air there, not a sign of an ice age.

I wonder if there will be another melt episode in the Arctic this coming NH winter?

Dubyne is lying to you and I really hope you aren’t donating too much to him: you want men you think are leaders (Dubyne, FD being two) and I think you are donating so Dubyne pats you on the head occasionally. You are so gullible.

I you want YouTubes only search for Dr Jenifer Sanders, expert on the Jet Streams.

But the Jet Streams used to be strong and fast and regular.

Part of the Northern Jet Stream blew along the Mediterranean! Put moist air over the Arabian Peninsula. Snake oil seller Dubyne would have had a video about the Arabian desert covered with lots of little lakes between the sand dunes? AGW created those lakes: that bit of the Jet Stream and two storms arose in the West Arabian Gulf for the first time ever. One went over the Arabian Pen. and with the moisture there created heavy rain. That snow was likely an effect of desert cold on the remnants of moisture in the air there, not a sign of an ice age.

I wonder if there will be another melt episode in the Arctic this coming NH winter?

Dubyne is lying to you and I really hope you aren’t donating too much to him: you want men you think are leaders (Dubyne, FD being two) and I think you are donating so Dubyne pats you on the head occasionally. You are so gullible.

And you can shove the Dubyne MRB up your arse.

Monkey boy,You're lucky that I even make a few posts on your piss poor board.I'm a celebrity compared to you -you're nothing but a banned pariah on every forum you try to post at.

Carl Sagan — 'Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.'