I'm very damned happy that bitch lost. Won't have to suffer her for four years on TV. Trump is funny, he just makes me laugh when goes for the ridiculous shit ( He called Evan McMullin McMuffin recently ).

Well I see a lighthearted post was a bad idea. So here's a serious post.

Reality? Clinton's a bloody war monger, maybe Americans can't fathom just how damage that monster has caused. As a European the damage she's done is uncountable.

- Voting, supporting and pushing for the Iraq war. She was very public about it and only came out against the war in 2014.- Libyan Intervention. She pushed Obama on it, and everything else on this list.- Arming Rebels in Syria, creating a civil war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.- Drawing an idiotic red line on Syrian chemical weapons. That put the US in a terrible position where it had to choose between losing international face or completely destroying the last vestiges of stability in the Middle East.

Finally: Advocating for a No-Fly Zone in Syria that would have led to a war with Russia, as you know World War III

It ain't me saying it, it was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Congress.

You want to talk about Trump, fine sure, but nothing, nothing can compare to what Clinton was getting ready to do if she had won. Trump was by far considerably better then anyone else that ran for president with the exception of Rand Paul. Bernie Sanders, as much as I admire him, had no fucking clue on foreign policy, nor did Obama and see what happened with him.

EDIT: If this is all too serious and depressing welcome to my camp. I almost had a heart attack seeing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs saying in Congress that Clinton's plans would cause World War III. I'd rather laugh about Trump calling the guy from Utah McMuffin then think too hard about how close we came to the complete annihilation of the human species.

You sure read a lot into my post. Just because you vote for them doesn't mean they're good for you.

Edit: And before there is any confusion, I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in voters in general. I'm not saying Hillary would be better or worse, but she'd have a lot less influence as a Democratic president with a Republican Congress.

I think people are people and that regardless of your minority status you want the same things overall: A better tomorrow.

Minorities who voted Trump did so because they did not feel Hillary offered them anything. It was all about her coronation.

I'm not saying Hillary would be better or worse, but she'd have a lot less influence as a Democratic president with a Republican Congress.

This is one the big reasons why Hillary's presidency scared the hell out of me. Trump has shown that he doesn't give a damn about the establishment war mongering neocons like McCain or Graham want on numerous issues, and those neocons have far too many friends in the Republican establishment and even the Democratic Establishment.

Hillary has shown over her entire political career that she is willing to do whatever the hell the establishment on the right wants her to do. She pushed for Libya and Syria, she voted for Iraq. So why would she change? Who'd hold her feet to the fire?

Her own party? Her own party was busy bending the knee to the Empress. That's why I felt Sanders was a sackfull of shit on that issue.

As for Trump. I'd remind people what he did in the Republican primaries:

THAT is who I supported, I put my job on the line to support him and I took a financial hit over it. Before South Carolina I knew he was the best choice on the issue. After that the debate I became a true fanboy, and nothing he's done since has proved me wrong.

Don't mistake Trump fanboys for fools however, we'll burn him hard if he does a moronic war or appoints people that want wars.

Here is my problem: the normalization of Hate during Trump's rise to power.

Not since the days leading to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has there been so much hate out in the open in the United States.

I got friends facing a bunch of harassment following the Brexit. I got friends facing harassment following the Trump victory. I've been spared so far in spite of being a jew, but that's because of where I live. Were I to live somewhere else, I'm sure I'd get some harassment as well. Not that it matters, Trump has Bannon as a cabinet member.

You can't say fucking Nazis are rising within the US. You got stupid assholes like Spencer and the Based Alaska guy trying to actually get Nazism going on in the US as a good mainstream idea, literally running a platform of hate against anyone that isn't white -- and no, I won't call them alt-right, I'll call them fucking Nazis... being a jew has earned me that privilege.

And any Trump supporter that is not willing to see that, they're just as a bad as these guys.

Oh you don't like the harassment happening to your friends. What about harassment happening to Brexit and Trump voters? That's OK eh? It's OK because they're all deplorable pieces of shit right? RIGHT?

Here is my problem: the normalization of Hate during Trump's rise to power.

Not since the days leading to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has there been so much hate out in the open in the United States.

Because the last 8 years have been such a love fest of tolerance from the left, or was anyone that dared to speak out against the mainstream liberal media narrative smeared as one of the most vile pieces of shit that has ever lived.

Bernie Sanders for daring to challenge Madame President along with his supporters were smeared as being racist, misogynistic vile pieces of white trash BY THE LEFT. Hillary fucking Clinton called them BASEMENT DWELLERS.

So fuck off with your so called normalization of hate during's Trump's rise. You may have been content to ignore reality for the few years while a substantial amount of people have been made inhuman for not following the narrative but there were plenty of people that weren't.

Hence Breitbart, run by Steve Bannon, a Jewish Site with one of it's top people being a proud gay jew who's into black men.

So no I couldn't give a goddamn shit about guys like Spencer ( hang him and David Duke ) just like you and everyone like you that claims they are so tolerant couldn't give a flying fuck about the tactics taken by the left in the pursuit of so called "tolerance". Tolerance my ass!

Oh, you had to wake up to an unpleasant reality from your damned delusional dream of ponyland. Good. Welcome to reality. It's shit.

EDIT: Well that was a lot more vicious, but after watching for 1.5 year as every single Trump supporter has been smeared in every way imaginable I'm done playing nice. I've always fought to maintain a reasonable viewpoint on all things, to listen to all sides and draw conclusions from that but it seems to me that's no longer a possibility. You're either one side or another or you'll be forced to.

I choose Trump. I choose Trump for my friend in Syria who lost so much because of Obama and Hillary. I choose Trump because of how many lives Hillary has ruined, I choose Trump for all those people that have been degraded and dehumanized over all these years in the name of "tolerance". I choose Trump because we were on the verge on nuclear war and instead of cheering that we avoided that you're busy talking about some dude who has maybe at best a couple thousand followers and has zero political relevancy.

You want to hang Spencer? Go ahead, I'll buy you the damned rope, but don't smear all Trump supporters as enabling that asshole because unlike me a lot of them would sooner spit in your face then even bother replying to what you just posted, not because anyone really likes Spencer and his ilk but because a lot of us are sick and tired of being dehumanized.

Oh you don't like the harassment happening to your friends. What about harassment happening to Brexit and Trump voters? That's OK eh? It's OK because they're all deplorable pieces of shit right? RIGHT?

Here is my problem: the normalization of Hate during Trump's rise to power.

Not since the days leading to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has there been so much hate out in the open in the United States.

Because the last 8 years have been such a love fest of tolerance from the left, or was anyone that dared to speak out against the mainstream liberal media narrative smeared as one of the most vile pieces of shit that has ever lived.

Bernie Sanders for daring to challenge Madame President along with his supporters were smeared as being racist, misogynistic vile pieces of white trash BY THE LEFT. Hillary fucking Clinton called them BASEMENT DWELLERS.

So fuck off with your so called normalization of hate during's Trump's rise. You may have been content to ignore reality for the few years while a substantial amount of people have been made inhuman for not following the narrative but there were plenty of people that weren't.

Hence Breitbart, run by Steve Bannon, a Jewish Site with one of it's top people being a proud gay jew who's into black men.

So no I couldn't give a goddamn shit about guys like Spencer ( hang him and David Duke ) just like you and everyone like you that claims they are so tolerant couldn't give a flying fuck about the tactics taken by the left in the pursuit of so called "tolerance". Tolerance my ass!

Oh, you had to wake up to an unpleasant reality from your damned delusional dream of ponyland. Good. Welcome to reality. It's shit.

EDIT: Well that was a lot more vicious, but after watching for 1.5 year as every single Trump supporter has been smeared in every way imaginable I'm done playing nice. I've always fought to maintain a reasonable viewpoint on all things, to listen to all sides and draw conclusions from that but it seems to me that's no longer a possibility. You're either one side or another or you'll be forced to.

I choose Trump. I choose Trump for my friend in Syria who lost so much because of Obama and Hillary. I choose Trump because of how many lives Hillary has ruined, I choose Trump for all those people that have been degraded and dehumanized over all these years in the name of "tolerance". I choose Trump because we were on the verge on nuclear war and instead of cheering that we avoided that you're busy talking about some dude who has maybe at best a couple thousand followers and has zero political relevancy.

You want to hang Spencer? Go ahead, I'll buy you the damned rope, but don't smear all Trump supporters as enabling that asshole because unlike me a lot of them would sooner spit in your face then even bother replying to what you just posted, not because anyone really likes Spencer and his ilk but because a lot of us are sick and tired of being dehumanized.

They're either Stormfront or 4chan /Pol members or both. Effectively your national discourse has been taken over by the internet trolls and younger David Duke types. It's all thanks to the spotlight the media has and continues to put on them.

They are Nazis and there's a huge lot of Trump supporters online that want to throw bricks at them for what they did and continue to do, but if you're going to throw everyone that supports Trump in the same pot ( and the media and Democrats certainly are ) as that jackass Richard B. Spencer...well don't be surprised if you anger a lot of people.

They can and should be isolated and eliminated, not used as tools to smear every Trump supporter as Hillary, her campaign and the media did.

Door is on your left side, use it and leave.

"Laughs" By all means, an appropriate response. Ignore everything I said, especially substance wise, because I ranted and hurled insults.

Here's a simple polite version for you then: Don't smear an entire group of voters numbering in the tens of millions because of the actions of some couple of thousands online trolls that went real life. You'll only piss off people at you and not solve a thing.

Political discourse has become what it is because the media and politicians on the left have used every possible way to silence anyone raising a dissenting voice on their side. Bill Clinton was silenced by Hillary's campaign staff for telling them numerous times to not ignore rural working class voters. They did it for Bernie Sanders, they did it for Joe Biden. Didn't work out so well for her.

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Klaudandus wrote:I got friends facing a bunch of harassment following the Brexit. I got friends facing harassment following the Trump victory. I've been spared so far in spite of being a jew, but that's because of where I live. Were I to live somewhere else, I'm sure I'd get some harassment as well. Not that it matters, Trump has Bannon as a cabinet member.

Yeah, I'm one of them, since I made the statement that I support Brexit I have been harassed from so called liberals in numerous ways.

I am an Italian living in UK since 2005, in 12 years in the country I have never been harassed for being a foreigner, nobody ever dared, well, being a 6 feet leather clad biker might help to be fair

Starting this Summer, when I have declared myself pro-Brexit I received numerous abusive comments and remarks, from people calling me an idiot to people saying that they can't be friend with me any more because of my views. People that never even bothered to ask why I made such a choice, because these self professed modern liberals don't really respect any opinion other their own, and if you think any different you are called an idiot and ostracised.

Does it sound liberal to you? Because to me sounds like intolerance and bigotry.

After being repeatedly offended I made a post on my Facebook page whit a massive rant discussing the above, you know what came out? Brexit supporters that were scared of voicing their opinion in public to avoid repercussions, some people even refused to reply in public and sent me a private message because they didn't want any harassment.