Free Will - Think Atheist2017-08-18T05:06:17Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/free-will?groupUrl=atheistphilosophers&commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1260443&xg_source=activity&groupId=1982180%3AGroup%3A209981&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHold on a minute while I get…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12605252013-02-16T22:18:04.809ZDale Headleyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DaleHeadley
<p>Hold on a minute while I get out my Bible and find the place where it says I have "free will." Wait a minute...wait a...</p>
<p>Hold on a minute while I get out my Bible and find the place where it says I have "free will." Wait a minute...wait a...</p> Another of the self negating…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12604432013-02-16T21:18:07.950ZDoug Reardonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DougReardon
<p>Another of the self negating attributes of god!</p>
<p>Another of the self negating attributes of god!</p> Actually, the free-fall might…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12603592013-02-16T15:31:42.118Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Actually, the free-fall might be fun until that messy part there at the end, and a worthy last experience. The secret to not burning to death lies in inhaling as much smoke as possible and dying from smoke inhalation, which, though likely unpleasant, would have to be preferable to being barbecued.</p>
<p>Actually, the free-fall might be fun until that messy part there at the end, and a worthy last experience. The secret to not burning to death lies in inhaling as much smoke as possible and dying from smoke inhalation, which, though likely unpleasant, would have to be preferable to being barbecued.</p> And yet people make very hard…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12604132013-02-16T14:58:26.862ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>And yet people make very hard choices. Think about the person jumping out of a Trade Towers window on 9/11, choosing a few very exciting but horrific seconds of life in free fall to certain death vs. burning to death in flames. </p>
<p>Now, if that's actually a "choice" at all is an open question,.</p>
<p>And yet people make very hard choices. Think about the person jumping out of a Trade Towers window on 9/11, choosing a few very exciting but horrific seconds of life in free fall to certain death vs. burning to death in flames. </p>
<p>Now, if that's actually a "choice" at all is an open question,.</p> You could say that if we're p…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12604072013-02-16T14:34:36.408ZSimon Payntonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SimonPaynton
<p>You could say that if we're prepared to take the consequences then we're free to act. But if we genuinely believe that we could burn in hell for all eternity, that's not much of a choice. </p>
<p>You could say that if we're prepared to take the consequences then we're free to act. But if we genuinely believe that we could burn in hell for all eternity, that's not much of a choice. </p> Creation. Isn't God the caus…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12599762013-02-16T01:09:43.174ZVal Wuthrichhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/ValWuthrich
<p>Creation. Isn't God the cause of everytyhing? If He caused it, He owns it, evil included!</p>
<p>Creation. Isn't God the cause of everytyhing? If He caused it, He owns it, evil included!</p> Actually, Claire, check Gen 1…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12602362013-02-16T00:58:39.947Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Actually, Claire, check Gen 18, where Abraham convinces god to change his criteria several times.</p>
<p>Actually, Claire, check Gen 18, where Abraham convinces god to change his criteria several times.</p> In Isiah, god actually states…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12600792013-02-16T00:55:07.373Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>In Isiah, god actually states that he creates evil, but as to the first cause argument, we then have to ask what caused god?</p>
<p>In Isiah, god actually states that he creates evil, but as to the first cause argument, we then have to ask what caused god?</p> RE: "they will become like us…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12600772013-02-16T00:48:34.026Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>RE: "they will become like us" - I think you may be misreading this Cliff, when you take that to mean "gods (plural)" - royalty speaks of itself in the first person plural, as in, "We are not amused." The author is simply assuming that the Bible's god would do the same.</p>
<p>Further, A &amp; E didn't need knowledge of good and evil to understand, "Don't eat the fruit of this tree!"</p>
<p>RE: "they will become like us" - I think you may be misreading this Cliff, when you take that to mean "gods (plural)" - royalty speaks of itself in the first person plural, as in, "We are not amused." The author is simply assuming that the Bible's god would do the same.</p>
<p>Further, A &amp; E didn't need knowledge of good and evil to understand, "Don't eat the fruit of this tree!"</p> Can will be called, free, if…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-02-16:1982180:Comment:12599722013-02-16T00:40:40.929Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Can will be called, <em>free</em>, if there's a reward/punishment system in place regarding the use of it?</p>
<p>Can will be called, <em>free</em>, if there's a reward/punishment system in place regarding the use of it?</p>