Like the disastrous and unconstitutional Obamacare bill rammed down the throats of the American people, the unconstitutional S. 49 gun bill
aimed at the heart of the Second Amendment passed cloture earlier today in the Senate with 68 votes despite the fact senators have not had a chance to
read it.

Cloture will now put the legislation up for a simple majority vote. Democrats have a majority in the Senate. It will be up to Republicans in the House
to derail the bill if it is passed in the Senate.

Note that not only did the Republicans refuse to filibuster this legislation, but 16 actually voted for it.

This is all out treason. Not only is this legislation unconstitutional, but the very idea that we as a nation are allowing bills to be passed into law
without even reading them is... unreal to say the least.

Look at the smug smirk... it makes me want to puke. And of course, complete media blackout.

If theres one senator I cant stand its Fienstien, having lived in her district most of my life all I have seen from her is detestable un-american
legislation geared toward creating a nanny state where our rights are surrendered for "protection"

Anyone want to take a $20 bet that they aren't nearly as understanding on these highly partisan bills when they are next out of power to see the
right doing this? They may work together and be flip sides of the same coin on 90% of matters...but each side does have their mutually exclusive pet
interests and personal crusades. It's getting uglier and uglier for how those are carried out over the top of the other side.

The only one to lose is all of us out here. They still go have drinks around Washington Cocktail circuits after the business day. We get to eat cake.

Originally posted by RegisteredUser
It's my understanding that they voted to vote for it, instead of the filibuster that the Republicans were threatening. That doesn't mean it's been
passed into law- so no, it's not treason.

edit on 12-4-2013 by RegisteredUser because: (no reason given)

You understood it correctly then.

I have to laugh at how hard Alex Jones and his fear team try to spin every possible quote to fit their fear agenda. If one can't see the difference
between facts and lies, they have no business posting another source's news articles on the internet.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The Sleep Of Treason

The misuse of the term "treason" is something that was so troubling to the founders of the United States that they took care to explicitly define
it.

Article III., Section. 3.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No
Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
-- Constitution for the United States of America

But hey, that's just the Constitution -- one of the most misquoted, misunderstood and misrepresented documents in human history.

Who cares what it actually says? Not enough, apparently.

It would be refreshing and unusual if more people who presume themselves absolute authorities on what constitutes "treason" or what is or isn't
"constitutional" would respect the document enough to actually read and comprehend the contents of the Constitution itself.

I won't hold my breath.

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Treason
The crime of betraying one's country, esp. by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
The action of betraying someone or something

I believe that even the act of voting for something that is unconstitutional, like gun control, is betraying the United States and her people. The
constitution is the law of the land, it trumps both Federal and State law. The term "shall not be infringed" is very clear.

Even if this were a vote to pass the gun bill into law, there are only 53 Dems and 2 Independents in the Senate. They couldn't have gotten the 68
votes they got, without at the very least 13 Republican votes. Not only that but, they don't have to read these bills to vote. Any senator can vote
without reading.

Interesting then that DHS has done nothing but purchase endless amounts of ammunition all while these bills continue to circulate to strip Americans
of their guns. I'm not saying it's a declaration of war, but something sure as hell doesn't add up huh?

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Rubber Stamp Act

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Also, not having adequate time to read bills has become the norm from both sides of the aisle, has it not?

Indeed, and as distasteful as it may be, there's absolutely nothing "unconstitutional" about it. Representatives and Senators can vote however they
want for whatever reasons they want, or no reasons at all.

Heck, a Senator could stand up and say "I have no idea what I'm voting for, but here's my vote" or even "I'm voting for this because I despise
the Constitution, hate this country and want everyone in it to die a horrible death." Not exactly compelling slogans for re-election campaigns, and
possibly grounds for censure or recall, but not prohibited by the Constitution.

Freedom is very much a double-edged sword. As the history of this country so amply testifies, many, many things Congress has passed into law
have been later found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, and some of the greatest Presidents in U.S. history have also been some of the worst
violators of the Constitution.

The nature and composition of the government specified by the Constitution are pointedly designed to account for the many ways government power can
shift, corrupt and be abused. Over the years, exactly that has occurred in great abundance, and the latest trend -- a slow, steady march toward
consolidation of all power in a single, monolithic federal juggernaut -- is offensive to the original and far more robust concept of
distributed powers (and very troubling, in my opinion).

Despite all the absurd shenanigans we the people have witnessed over the past couple of centuries (from the very beginning, I might add), the
government we have does ultimately represent us -- from our greatest strengths right down to our most embarrassing weaknesses. And even as screwed up
as things already are (and they will get worse), they can get better if we as a nation wish it to be so.

In order for that to happen, there must be some sort of common ground, and the Constitution is about as good as it's going to get for us Americans.

Thus I hope I can be forgiven for being a bit parochial about the definitions and meanings associated with the Constitution, and impatient with their
misrepresentation.

I wouldn't care if it didn't matter, and I challenge anyone and everyone who truly loves and respects the Constitution to love and respect it enough
to care about it, too.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort.

Considering the US federal Government has been elected to represent the people in absentia they have repeatedly waged war against us the people in a
manner of issues/rights where the US federal government was limited in power, they have repeatedly abused that power, not for the will of the people,
but for their own political agendas.

When this country was founded it was founded with the severe distrust of government which is the greatest enemy to the people when a government is for
of and by itself, and does not represent the people,it is treason.

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