SQLServerCentral.com / Discuss Content Posted by David Poole / Article Discussions / Article Discussions by Author / The Danger of Hiring Stars / Latest PostsInstantForum.NET v2.9.0SQLServerCentral.comhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/notifications@sqlservercentral.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 16:27:41 GMT20RE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>Great article which vibrates my heart and push me to look back on all the jobs I have had in the I.T. field. </P><P>You provide a mirror for me and my family members, relatives and friends: it is not just for DBA, or I.T. guy, but for all job hunters. I have had most good moves for chasing career goals. I also had 2 bad moves due to crazy bosses and/or 12 hours working environment pressure. Along with the age increasing, so called 'maturity', I could have reduced the number of changing jobs about 50% today.</P><P>p.s. side question. I have been DBA, Database developer, .... but my faviourate thing is data modeling in design or re-design the company database. I still think the best job change was to get a chance to design 108 tables (an inventory control database) from scratch even with 120 miles daily traffic. This exposesd my potentiality and set up my future goal. But in reality, this kind chance probably is 1/1000 companies wants to do so. What is your advice?</P><P>thank you for your greate article to share with us.<img src='images/emotions/tongue.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Tongue' align='absmiddle'></P><P>David</P>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:51:00 GMTDavid LuRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>Nice article for sure. It just makes plain sense to tackle these questions and get good advice from others before making a major decision to switch jobs. The reasons you may want to switch jobs might not stand up to these questions once you think about it. My family and I have always considered these questions before deciding to move on, and it has helped tremendously.</P>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:27:00 GMTVic Kirkpatrick-173212RE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspxThe three axioms... Can you do the job, do you want to and will you fit in? This was very succinct and so true. The star does the first two hands down. What about the third criteria? How do the other staff members feel about being shown up? Does this make for good teams or does it cause in fighting and make the team implode? Is it a good idea hiring a star if this is true? How would a star hide his potential, in the interview, to rip to the team apart? Perhaps it has something to do with making everyone around you look good. How would you convince someone you were a team player when you wanted the glory for yourself? PS sorry about the bad spelling (no chance of showing anyone up here!)Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:25:00 GMTJamie Mcculloch-157655RE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>In what way Jamie, what were you looking for?</P><P> </P>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:39:00 GMTDavid.PooleRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspxI thought this article would be about employing someone super bright from the title. While the content was interesting and revealing it seemed to skit the issue.Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:08:00 GMTJamie Mcculloch-157655RE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspxPersonally, I like my 3 monitors. Gotta have Outlook on the small one. Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:43:00 GMThfjordanRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>"In Britain this changed in the 1980's in the era of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan."</P><P>Your slip is showing...</P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:19:00 GMTNo Longer ActiveRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>Excellent perspective! Thank you.</P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:34:00 GMTMike SchmidtRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>A very interesting and well put article.</P><P>Quite relevant to myself as I have just moved company having been at my previous one for 7 years. It was a big move to make and I would like to think that being in my late thirties I have had enough life experience to take a lot of the considerations in the article into account. I doubt whether I would have many years ago.</P><P>I spent over 9 months looking for the correct role, rather than just jump ship for the sake of it, taking into consideration travelling, company future, people, career directon etc. Too early to say yet, but so far it has been very worthwhile making the move.</P><P>So as David states, take all factors into consideration and best of luck if you do.</P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:19:00 GMTPaul WilliamsRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>David,</P><P> Your piece about the 3 types in an organization is some of the best stuff (for lack of a better word) that I have come across in a long time. I even passed it along to several of my co-workers as I find in our organization that we have many persons that easily fall into 1 of these types.</P><P> </P><P>Ed</P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 07:01:00 GMTYSLGuruRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>Been there, done that.</P><P>In any organisation, be it social, business or what ever there seems to be four types of people.</P><OL><LI>Inspirational and dynamic.</LI><LI>The willing workers.</LI><LI>People along for the ride.</LI></OL><P>An organisation gets founded by type(1) with the help of type (2). Type (1) keep new ideas coming.</P><P>Type(1) moves on and the organisation ticks along in the charge of type (2).</P><P>Eventually type(2) run out of steam and with no Type(1) to supply ideas the organisation begins to stagnate.</P><P>Type(2) moves on and the people in charge are now Type(3). Any type(1) coming into the organisation is seen as a threat and will be crushed and so the organisation slowly disintegrates.</P><P>Short of a fifth column insurgence of type(1) the organisation will eventually fail.</P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 02:23:00 GMTDavid.PooleRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>So many truths so eloquantly expressed.<img src='images/emotions/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'></P><P>One item missing is mention of the way that organisations can change too, often for the worse <img src='images/emotions/sad.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Sad' align='absmiddle'>.</P><P>I work for a company that used to be a great place to work, I really loved working there. Now that the company is struggling to identify its marketplace correctly it has changed. Instead of being a friendly open, honest place it all rigid, hidebound, hierarchial and secretive. That this change has occured faster than the staff could change has created a situation where leaving is now the only option. The company now has no loyalty to its customer or to its staff let alone the idea of the staff having loyatly to the company.</P><P>Obviously I can't say who I currently work for, but I work in England for a big US company that recently abandoned its heritage marketplace after 130 years.</P><P>My CV is in the post, so keep and eye out for it huh? <img src='images/emotions/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'></P>Tue, 05 Oct 2004 01:57:00 GMTAnthony ButlerRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Good article<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">And dual monitors are great. I feel claustrophobic without them.</SPAN></P>Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:09:00 GMTdMaceyRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>Hi there</P><P>Great article and brings a lot of relevent questions into play.</P><P>Cheers</P><P>Ck</P>Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:31:00 GMTckempsteRE: The Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspx<P>SO glad to see someone evaluate moving jobs in this way - it just makes a whole lot of sense. In over 30 years in IT I've moved for the right reasons and once for the wrong reason - BAD time had by my family as a result! It's likely been said by many before, but "I work to live, not live to work" and "there are few on their deathbed who wish they could have spent more time in the office!" - I'll be one who looks back and is glad that the answers to David's questions in my life meant much happiness, less stress, respect from many peers, sufficient income and lots of fun (even at work!).</P><P>Yes, take David's questions seriously and enjoy life AND work - the two aren't mutually exclusive.</P><P><img src='images/emotions/biggrin.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Big Grin' align='absmiddle'></P>Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:35:00 GMTSAinCAThe Danger of Hiring Starshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic135109-60-1.aspxComments posted to this topic are about the content posted at <A HREF=http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/dpoole/thedangerofhiringstars.asp>http://www.sqlservercentral.com/columnists/dpoole/theThu, 02 Sep 2004 11:40:00 GMTDavid.Poole