Dear Colleagues,
The referenced article appeared in today's NY Times and it gives us a perfect
opportunity to bring attention to the plight of Hungarian minorities in
Serbia and Cratia.and to link the solution of the Kosovo problem to the
autonomy of Vojvodina. Please DO NOT COPY MY LETTER, but do write yours and
try to include as many up to date facts as you are aware of. The fax number
is : 212-556- 3922, the e-mail address is:
Best regards: Béla Lipták
The New York Times
229 West 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036-3959
To The Editor,
From Chris Hedges' fine report in todays (4/14/97) paper we learn about the
conditions in the Hungarian village Zmajevac in Eastern Slavonia, "which
suffered greatly in the Yugoslav conflict." He reports that the houses are in
disrepair, the church is abanoned and while they (the 15,000 ethnic
Hungarians of the region) were not hated as much as the Croats, they were
also abused by the Serbs. It is hoped, that after the elections in Eastern
Slavonia, the collective human rights and the cultural autonomy of the
indigenous Hungarian minority will finally be respected.
An even larger Hungarian minority lives in Vojvodina. Under the
Yugoslav constitution of 1974, Kosovo and Vojvodina were both autonomous
provinces. It was in 1988, when their autonomies were arbitrarily rescinded.
Vojvodina has been part of the Kingdom of Hungary until 1920. Vojvodina
(similarly to Bosnia) has flourished for centuries as a multicultural
tapestry of Hungarian, Serb, Croatian, German, Slovak, Roma, Romanian and
Ruthenian cultures.
Vojvodina is the breadbasket of Serbia, it is already one of it's most
densely populated regions with over 2 million people. It consists of three
distinct regions: The Srem, which was Austria-Hungary's Croatia- Slavonia
province until 1918, Backa, which was an integral part of Hungary until 1920
and the western part of Banat, also part of Hungary for a millennium.
The autonomy of the Vojvodina Hungarians has been guaranteed by the
Great Powers in 1920, again in 1946 and once more it was recommended by the
European Parliament in 1993 (Article 11, Recommendation 1201.) Yet today, the
Hungarians have no autonomy and in many cases they have been driven from
their ancestral homeland, by the Serb refugees, arriving from different parts
of Bosnia.
The Hungarians of Vojvodina were not involved in the war, did not side
with any of the warring factions. Yet, their numbers have already been
reduced through ethnic cleansing as tens of thousands escaped to Hungary.
According to the Democratic Community of Hungarians in Vojvodina: "The
Hungarians of Vojvodina are facing the danger of a final solution as
Vojvodina is being purged of its non-Serb population."
Therefore, while I would like to thank Chris Hedges for calling
attention to the problems faced by the Hungarian minority in Eastern
Slavonia, I would like to add, that peace and stability will not be secured
in the region, until all compact national communities, including the
minorities of Vojvodina, are granted some form of autonomy.
Your name, address, title.

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Forwarded message:
From: (Mark C. Urban - 98)
To:
Date: 97-04-14 00:42:13 EDT
Dr. Liptak:
It's with great pleasure that I write to you. I am a student
studying the Gabcikovo project for a term paper at Muhlenberg College in
Allentown, PA. I read with great interest your Rivernet press release
refuting certain allegations from Miroslav.
In this account, you write
that Ms. Southerland, VP of JP Morgan, stated to you about involvement
in financing the G-N Project that "none of the loan will be spent at
Gabcikovo" and "this was a condition for the loan".
However, Ms. Southerland should screen her company's press
releases. I would like to call your attention to
www.jpmorgan.com/CorpInfo/PressReleases/vodohospadarska.html
This press release states, "The proceeds of the facility will be used to
finance certain construction projects, INCLUDING A HYDRO-ELECTRIC POWER
PLANT AT GABCIKOVO [emphasis added]".
If you could e-mail me what the letter from Ms. Southerland
stated, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks for your time. I hope this press release will help out
the cause.
Working for the Cause,
Mark Christopher Urban
box 1940 Muhlenberg College
2400 W. Chew St.
Allentown, PA 18088
610-740-4744

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Forwarded message:
From: (Mark C. Urban - 98)
To:
Date: 97-04-14 00:42:13 EDT
Dr. Liptak:
It's with great pleasure that I write to you. I am a student
studying the Gabcikovo project for a term paper at Muhlenberg College in
Allentown, PA. I read with great interest your Rivernet press release
refuting certain allegations from Miroslav.
In this account, you write
that Ms. Southerland, VP of JP Morgan, stated to you about involvement
in financing the G-N Project that "none of the loan will be spent at
Gabcikovo" and "this was a condition for the loan".
However, Ms. Southerland should screen her company's press
releases. I would like to call your attention to
www.jpmorgan.com/CorpInfo/PressReleases/vodohospadarska.html
This press release states, "The proceeds of the facility will be used to
finance certain construction projects, INCLUDING A HYDRO-ELECTRIC POWER
PLANT AT GABCIKOVO [emphasis added]".
If you could e-mail me what the letter from Ms. Southerland
stated, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks for your time. I hope this press release will help out
the cause.
Working for the Cause,
Mark Christopher Urban
box 1940 Muhlenberg College
2400 W. Chew St.
Allentown, PA 18088
610-740-4744

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Forwarded message:
From: (Mark C. Urban - 98)
To:
Date: 97-04-14 00:42:13 EDT
Dr. Liptak:
It's with great pleasure that I write to you. I am a student
studying the Gabcikovo project for a term paper at Muhlenberg College in
Allentown, PA. I read with great interest your Rivernet press release
refuting certain allegations from Miroslav.
In this account, you write
that Ms. Southerland, VP of JP Morgan, stated to you about involvement
in financing the G-N Project that "none of the loan will be spent at
Gabcikovo" and "this was a condition for the loan".
However, Ms. Southerland should screen her company's press
releases. I would like to call your attention to
www.jpmorgan.com/CorpInfo/PressReleases/vodohospadarska.html
This press release states, "The proceeds of the facility will be used to
finance certain construction projects, INCLUDING A HYDRO-ELECTRIC POWER
PLANT AT GABCIKOVO [emphasis added]".
If you could e-mail me what the letter from Ms. Southerland
stated, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks for your time. I hope this press release will help out
the cause.
Working for the Cause,
Mark Christopher Urban
box 1940 Muhlenberg College
2400 W. Chew St.
Allentown, PA 18088
610-740-4744

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************
Priority: URGENT
Background:
Hungary's position in the Danube lawsuit at the International Court
of Justice in The Hague is very promising. However, even if the court
rules in favour for the environment it is possible that the Slovak
government does not accept the sentence.
It is important that influential politicians of USA support our
position, since in this case Slovakia probably does not dare to reject
the decision of the court.
What to do:
Please help to persuade Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to
make a statement in favor of the Danube. Feel free to use the attached
form letters (letter #1 for Americans, letter #2 for non-Americans).
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ALBRIGHT FINDS THOUSANDS OF LETTERS IN HER
MAILBOX.
PLEASE ACT!! Please SEND EVEN SNAIL MAILS. These are more effective.
FURTHERMORE SEND COPIES OF YOUR LETTER TO:
Executive Assistant, Maura Harty
Special Assistant, Carlene Ackerman
Senior Advisor, Robert O. Boorstin (Room 7246)
Assistant Secretary for Oceans, & International Environmental and
Scientific Affairs Bureau, Eileen B. Claussen (Room 7831)
address:
United States Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20520
e-mail address of Madeleine Albright:
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<date>
The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
United States Department of State
Washington, DC 20520
( E-Mail: )
RE: First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague
Dear Madame Secretary,
Please accept my congratulations on your well-deserved appointment. I
do hope that your leadership will contribute to progress and stability
in Central Europe.
Madame Secretary, you now have a great opportunity to set a new tone
for American policy in connection with international environmental
standards in general and with the Danube lawsuit in particular, which
is in progress at the International Court of Justice in the Hague.
This new tone would be consistent with the US policy of expanding
Western structures to Central and Eastern Europe, and to engage the US
more actively in helping resolve emerging inter-country conflicts in
the Region by (i) urging your West European partners to assist more
pro-actively; and (ii) calling on both parties (Hungary and Slovakia)
to accept the Compromise Plan prepared by the environmental NGOs and
thereby cooperate in the quest for a solution that can set an example
for the future.
Your help in resolving the Danube problem would also be consistent
with the present US policy based on a global approach to environmental
issues and on seeking to mobilize all relevant political
(multilateral, international, non-governmental and civic society)
forces to assist in avoiding environmental catastrophes caused by
bilateral agreements that had been drawn up by non-representative
governments under a regional policy framework which was imposed by
Moscow.
This, the first international environmental lawsuit in human
history, also involves the United States, because it was the Paris
Peace Treaty which set the border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary
and it was that Treaty which named the Great Powers as the guarantors
of the integrity of the two nation's territories. The Treaty also
stated that the two nations DO NOT have the right to change their
border, unless the Great Powers first approve of the change. Yet in
1977, under Soviet direction, the two nations signed a contract to
move the Danube, previously their border river, into an artificial
canal on Slovak territory. In doing this they did not ask, nor did
they receive, the approval of the Great Powers. Therefore the
Moscow initiated 1977 Contract was and is INHERENTLY INVALID, and the
Danube must be returned into its riverbed.
Madame Secretary. There is little question that in October the
International Court of Justice will order Slovakia to return the
Danube into its natural riverbed and will also order the restoration
of the Szigetkoz wetlands. But, as you know, the ICJ has no powers to
enforce its rulings. Therefore, it will be up to the international
community to force Slovakia to obey the ruling. This being the first
international environmental lawsuit before the ICJ, the outcome will
establish an important precedent. The Slovak Government must
understand that there is a price to be paid for being admitted into
the European Community or into NATO. That price must include the
respect for international law. A statement by you would guarantee that
the Slovak Government understands this. Please make that statement.
Respectfully yours,
<Your name, address, title>

Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, John Klapko wrote:> > Your not wrong. You cannot get a virus on your system unless you have> > opened an .exe file that has a virus in it's programming. Notice I said> > 'open'. Just downloading a exe file with a virus does not put that virus on> > your system. It has to be opened. E-mail messages are not .exe files so you> > are safe from anyone putting a virus on an e-mail message. Just watch out> > for any attachments that have .exe files, especially from people you don't> > know.> Unfortunately, the proliferation of email-handlers that accept and> execute attachments has murkied this issue considerably: classical email,> being text-only, indeed can not possibly cause virus infection; however> many of the new-fang(l)ed ones, like MS-Mail or Netscape, may conceivably> do damage on specific systems (although not everywhere, as the infamous> 'good times' warning-hoax claims) by letting thru malicious executables.> For a thororugh background check out "Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ"> <http://www.public.usit.net/lesjones/goodtimes.html&gt;!>> That said, most all the time one can safely ignore random warnings posted> by non-expert people - if there was serious danger we'd hear of it from> authentic sources soon enough. In particular, the "Pen Pals" warning is a> mere copycat of the GT-hoax, as mentioned in the FAQ above. I am enclosing> the mini-version below my sig, for further reference see the links shown.> Please excercise due restrain before sending out such unverified alarms -> only cry wolf if it is really absolutely lurking there ;-(! It should be> noted that these fake messages take up significant email list volume (in> the aggregate) - contrary to any real virus attack that has yet to be> observed happening. There actually is a running joke (that also gets> misinterpreted at times as bona-fide warning ;-() that the warning> messages themselves are an email virus infecting everything as they> spread uncontrollably...>> --> Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq >> Please note that the above is my new preferred address!> My primary FAQ archive is presently at <ftp://ftp.alt.net/hungarian/>> * I WILL NEVER, EVER, BUY SPAMVERTISED PRODUCTS! *>> _________________________________________________________________>> * Is the Good Times email virus a hoax?> * I'm new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax?> * What was the CIAC bulletin?> * Online References> * Where can I find this FAQ and the complete FAQ?>> The Good Times email virus is a hoax!> If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ.>> G o o d T i m e s V i r u s H o a x> --------> M i n i F A Q>> by Les Jones> > >> February 6, 1996>> This information can be freely reproduced in any medium,> as long as the information is unmodified.>> A FAQ, if you're new to the Internet, is a document that answers> Frequently Asked Questions. This Mini FAQ is a summary of, and a> reference to, the full FAQ, which has much more information about this> and other hoaxes. Instructions for retrieving the full FAQ are at the> end of this message. The Mini FAQ is short enough for faxes, message> boards, company memos, and people with short attention spans.>> _________________________________________________________________>> Is the Good Times email virus a hoax?>> Yes. It's a hoax.>> America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of> anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online> References at the end of the FAQ.>> The hoax has been around since at least November of 1994. Since that> time, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there> been a single verified case of a viral attack.>> _________________________________________________________________>> I'm new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax?>> The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email.> Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will> erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer's processor.> Needless to say, it's a hoax, but a lot of people believed it.>> Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include> AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments,> and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at> numerous colleges.>> The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government> agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the> Department of Defense, the FCC, and NASA.>> The full Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ has more information about the> origins of the hoax, and variations on the text of the hoax.>> _________________________________________________________________>> What was the CIAC bulletin?>> On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy's CIAC (Computer> Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good> Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted> as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the> address in Online References at the end of the mini FAQ, and is> included verbatim in the full FAQ. CIAC issued another bulletin on> April 24, 1995 to reiterate that Good Times is a hoax.>> _________________________________________________________________>> Online References>> CIAC Notes 94-05, 95-09, and especially 94-04>> http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes04c.shtml> http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes05d.shtml> http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml>> Data Fellows' description of Good Times> http://www.datafellows.fi/v-descs/goodtime.htm>> Australian Cert Note> ftp://ftp.auscert.org.au/pub/auscert/advisory/AL-95.02.virus.hoax.returns>> _________________________________________________________________>> Where can I find this FAQ and the complete FAQ?>> The Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ and Mini FAQ>> The mini FAQ is a greatly simplified version of this FAQ. At two> pages, it's short enough for message boards, faxes, mailing lists, and> people with short attention spans.>> http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes.html> http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/gtminifaq.html> http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes.html> http://users.aol.com/macfaq/gtminifaq.html>> Via FTP:>> ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt> ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt> ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt> ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt>> On America Online:>> In the file libraries at keyword VIRUS.
BTW, tonight ( apprx. 2300 Greenwich+1 ), a had PENPAL GREETINGS in my
box. There was no chance not to open it : NETSCAPE instantly jumped
on top of it ( it was message 1 of 1 ) and opend it.
I killed it. Today I was in Bonn, after return, I let TNT-Virus &
McAffee run and they told me,I was clean. Maybe an idiot believed
he made a jolly good joke. Idiots always believe that.
Good health to you all. Thus far, influenza A was my worst infection.
M.

In article >,
says...
>>At 07:12 PM 4/13/97 GMT, Agnes Heringer wrote:>><snip>>>Sounds very similar to Quebec....>>>>Agnes>>In what way, Agnes?>>Joe Szalai
You never heard about the language police? Agnes

This is very interesting. All I know is what I have read in Koestler's
book. I thought in Israel the Khazar origin is not acceptable, since if
we (ashkenazim) are of Khazar origin, we have no "right of return" to
Jerusalem.
Re: Hungarian history, we always learned that there were khazars coming
in with Arpad to the Carpathian basin, ergo, Jews were in Hungary since
the "honfoglalas". Only, when I went to school, we didn't know anything
about "The Third Tribe".
Agnes
Please keep us abreast of further developments!