He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.

There's a hold up in the Bronx,Brooklyn's broken out in fights.There's a traffic jam in HarlemThat's backed up to Jackson Heights.There's a scout troop short a child,Kruschev's due at IdlewildCar 54, Where Are You?

If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are. If it happened in the South...same thing: "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York." Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.

Arthur Jumbles:He should have just said stop and frisk any male teenager and the policy would have been just about as effective. Teenage males are assholes and its society's job to keep them in line. We used to have rituals that did the job..... war games, tests of strength and endurance, vision questions, and the like that helped to keep the worst in check.

I could go along with this. Might as well frisk any girls with them that open their mouths.

For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. Schoolcraft's website looking for other cops to come forward is here. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police

/REALLY worth a listen//pretty sure the unofficial quotas were mentioned in that too

Schoolcraft was forced out of the NYPD for exposing the unjustifiable stop and frisks. And then they threw in him a mental ward to make everyone think he was crazy. What did he do that made people say he was crazy? Well, he recorded that, too. At about 44:30 on the link above.

Elegy:Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

diaphoresis:Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

Visit St. Joseph, Michigan... after visiting Benton Harbor, Michigan (right next to each other), The one is the whitest city in Michigan, the other is the darkest. And the whitest city is one of the homes of that well-known bastion of racial harmony and cooperation, the Michigan Militia.

For 17 months, New York police officer Adrian Schoolcraft recorded himself and his fellow officers on the job, including their supervisors ordering them to do all sorts of things that police aren't supposed to do. For example, downgrading real crimes into lesser ones, so they wouldn't show up in the crime statistics and make their precinct look bad. Adrian's story first appeared as a five part series in the Village Voice, written by Graham Rayman. Schoolcraft's website looking for other cops to come forward is here. (41 minutes)Criminal Justice • Jobs/Employment • Police

/REALLY worth a listen//pretty sure the unofficial quotas were mentioned in that too

What is the problem? Anyone with a brain has no problem figuring out who commits most crimes in America. It's really sad, but the truth isn't always easy to handle. It would be nice if the police could determine which kids are being raised without a strong father figure and parents who don't have a job. Lock these people up before they have a chance to breed!

JohnnyC diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

No, it's not, in fact I would argue it's worse in the NE/West Coast. But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived. Shallow and intellectually lazy, but a good effort indeed, it works on a lot of people living in your neck of the woods

rjkline:What is the problem? Anyone with a brain has no problem figuring out who commits most crimes in America. It's really sad, but the truth isn't always easy to handle. It would be nice if the police could determine which kids are being raised without a strong father figure and parents who don't have a job. Lock these people up before they have a chance to breed!

Gdalescrboz:But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.

rkiller1:Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

JohnnyC:diaphoresis: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

The most bigoted and racist people I've ever experienced was in Michigan... not even kidding... holy crap.

You find them everywhere. The north is not immune to racism by any means. That isn't to say there isn't rampant racism in the south, because there is... but it exists everywhere.

Stupidity isn't limited to a geographical location.

Granted.. but I did learn about a vicious circle of racism up there.. whites complain more about blacks, blacks complain more about Hispanics (according to some: because they are making blacks into 3rd class citizens.. wtf?!), and Hispanics complain more about whites because they feel they are real americans even though they don't have green cards.

It took me about 2 weeks in and around Detroit to get this kind of 'man on the street' opinions.. Honestly, I can't follow the thought process for ANYONE'S opinion in the area.

mjbok:If this happened in the "backwards" fly-over states it would forever be a talking point of how backwards areas not on the coasts are. If it happened in the South...same thing: "see how messed up the south is, why can't it be like New York." Since it happened in the the capital of understanding and forward thinking it is relegated to "meh" status for some reason.

Bear in mind that the stories about these scandals are actually getting a huge amount of play in media targeting New Yorkers who are interested in New York, so that's probably not a particularly accurate assessment.

Essentially, all the cool people have simply decided not to tell Ohio where the party is.

Elegy:rkiller1: Elegy: Fact: Institutional racism is much worse in the North than it is in the south.

Citation please. And could you also define "institutional racism"?As part two of this assignment, should you accept it, please document the empirically-proven benefits of diversity.No fair citing CNN or MSNBC, neither.

Boy I'm glad you asked. By "institutional racism" I specifically mean the disparity in sentencing between whites and other ethnicities, per unit of population.

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States with the highest black-to-white ratio are disproportionately located in the Northeast and Midwest, including the leading states of Iowa, Vermont, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Wisconsin. This geographic concentration is true as well for the Hispanic-to-white ratio, with the most disproportionate states being Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New York, New Hampshire, and New Jersey

Gdalescrboz: But I do appreciate the effort to monopolize moral superiority over the South; admit that you have a small racism problems then follow it quickly with how it pales in comparison to a place you've never visited/lived.

I was born in Florida, lived there for quite a while. I've also lived in Arkansas and visited every other southeastern state, but by all means... please do go on.

I call bullshiat. Anyone who has lived in both "parts" of the country, that being solid Red and solid Blue, and is being honest with themselves would acknowledge that racism is actually worse in the NE/West Coast. It exists in both areas, but the south has come to terms with it. The NE/WC pretends it isn't a problem and it get's burried and ignored. It becomes policy, as in this case, and even acceptable. How is it acceptable? Well, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist right?