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Remember when Kanye West had his “I’mma let you finish” stage crash at the expense of Taylor Swift at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards to everyone’s disdain? If you’ll recall, even President Barack Obama got in on that dogpile of disapproval calling West a “jackass.”

Four years later, West has put that universal demonization — namely President Obama’s— in perspective and responded to a question touching on it in an interview.