'Western leaders determined to defy UN resolution on Syria at all costs' ‎

One of the things that is going on in the United Nations is that they want to change the ‎concept of sovereignty to something the 'right to protect'. It's a new doctrine that ‎Susan Rice and others are pushing, which would allow the United Nations or UN-‎backed operation to eliminate a government that has shown itself no longer able to ‎protect its own people."

An analyst says Washington’s UN Ambassador Susan Rice is pushing for a UN move to overrule a nation's sovereignty, when it is perceived the government can no longer protect its people.
Press TV has conducted an interview with Bill Jones, with the Executive Intelligence Review from Washington about the assassination of Syria's defense minister and other associates and the ramifications of the US- and its allies’ moves to overthrow the Syrian government at all costs.
The news analysis also airs the views of historian, journalist and research Mr. Deepak Tripathi from London and Joseph Zrnchik, political analyst from Chicago. The following is an approximate transcription of the interview.
Press TV: We've had several high profile officials killed, of course, last week in Syria including the defense minister. Not a whole lot coming out of Washington. What gives a country a right to go into another sovereign nation - of course they're not saying that they're directly involved, but all signs point to the support in escalating violence there - what gives them the right to be able to do this and it seems like there are no checks and balances for them?
Jones: Well, that's true. There is no right to go in and to attack a sovereign government.
One of the things that is going on in the United Nations is that they want to change the concept of sovereignty to something the 'right to protect'. It's a new doctrine that Susan Rice and others are pushing, which would allow the United Nations or UN-backed operation to eliminate a government that has shown itself no longer able to protect its own people.
In the background that doctrine is lurking and this is kind of a test case for this, but there is also another reason that overthrowing the Assad regime is seen by the warmongering people in the US as a means of weakening Iran; as a means of also going in the face of China and Russia, which have put up a lot of opposition to this so there is a multi-pronged operation going on as we speak.
Press TV: Is there a type of arrogance coming out of the West in general that presupposes that they can better determine the fate of nations, better than the people themselves and the people sort of accept that, that these people have less quality of life, they really don’t know what they need and what's best for them - Do you see that that arrogance exists?
Jones: Well, it certainly does among the political elites in the US. I wouldn't say that the general public accepts that. Remember there is a lot of opposition to the way policy has been going in the last few years especially with regard to the economic situation, the reaction against Wall Street indicates that the American people are not happy with that and I wouldn't characterize the views or the ordinary American as being that.
But, if you look at Susan Rice's comments after the veto of the UN resolution, I think you see that arrogance very clearly and there's a certain amount of desperation in it.
Press TV: You said that there is a difference between the political elite and the people themselves, but is there that outrage on the streets in America? For example, when we see these attacks taking place in Syria and of course they are being fed other news that it's being done by the government. But is their minds a little inquisitive to see OK, some of the closest members of Assad's government has been assassinated with so many other people around there now, every day on a daily basis getting killed, to dig a little deeper to see why and what is behind the bloodshed?
Jones: Well, the American people don't do that. As was indicated they are fed the mainstream line or I would say the mainstream lies by watching their TV by reading their papers, even on the internet you still get a kind of one-sided picture often enough.
And also the American people unfortunately are not very active these days. They don't go out on the streets when conditions are bad. You see what happened to the Occupy Wall Street, it was mainly younger people that were out there and it kind of dissipated in a short period of time.
So there is a lot of demoralization among the US population and also a certain acceptance that the line that they are being fed through their media somehow may be actual and therefore things are probably not as bad as they themselves can see in what's going on.
So it's really a demoralization in a population that is no longer as active politically in reaction to these things as they should be.
Press TV: How do you see it overall that we have, as Mr. Tripathi talked about with the Syrian situation with Russia and China taking one side and the US and the EU the other side - Are we at a point where these two poles are close to clashing because it seems that the situation is getting more and more serious and this time around it does not seem like Beijing or Moscow is ready to bow down to the wills of Washington?
Jones: That is absolutely the case and it's a good thing that they aren't. Yes I do think we are going towards some kind of a conflict.
If the Western countries do as Ambassador Rice has threatened to do that we will go to our partners and find a solution indicating that they were going to up the ante in Syria, this is going to create a major conflict between Russia and China on the one hand and the US and the Western forces on the other hand.
President Putin himself I believe on Friday met with his security council and his press spokesman issued a statement saying that they would not take it as a good sign if the US refused to accept the fact that this resolution was in fact voted down and therefore should not be followed through on.
And I think they would see this is a major threat to their existence as they have seen this whole Syrian operation.
It was from the get-go a regime change and China and Russia know that that could also be used against them. So they're going to be fighting this so we will have a position of conflict.
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