I went to my storage last night and measured them again and if you measure from the inside the lip as stated by the other forum member, they are 9 and not 9.5. Thanks for the input, now help me get these sold!! Somehow the wife convinced me we needed to get a Golden Retriever puppy for Christmas, and guess where she bought it from??? A breeder in Minnesota!!! So I will be flying there next Sat to pick him up! Dollars, dollars, dollars, and more dollars.

But this will be one of those "cards" I use if she ever complains of dollars going to my 1.