You tell me, since you know more about Romanians and Hungarians than I do. What would be a peaceful solution if such a revolt took place? What would make them listen to reason?

I don't see a peaceful solution sincerly.And the same happened to Yugoslavia a few times now.Understand our point of view now?

The Eastern Europe is a lot different from the US.We(I mean nations as whole) were forced by greater or even super-powers to submit to their will.Democracy doesn't work here.He just want to keep our nations whole and to see no one stealing from them.(see my points in Socialism thread in Ideology And Philosophy).

Petar, 30% of Albanians are Christians. I know the Serbs aren't anti-Christ. Since Kosovo is majority Albanian, the Albanians obviously would not leave and thus many would be butchered in any battle to reclaim the region. Now, since Albanians are white, why are you so gung ho about this? Perhaps peace should be the order of the day.

Oh and about your comment regarding their Afghan friends or whatever, FYI, Albania, unlike Western Europe, is not allowing non-white muslims to flood their land. I'm not a friend of Islam and would prefer if the Albanians changed their ways, but violent solutions should only be acceptable to NATIONALISTS, not White Nationalists.

Obviously Albanians and Serbs have a lot of bad blood between them, let's not encourage this further if we can help it. Sorry for my earlier comments, I had a very bad day.

Edit: About the Greater Serbia thing, Omarska, you darn well know I'm talking about Bosnia.

that's because albania is so poor and backwards that not even a rag head afghani or kurd would want to immigrate there as it would not be an improvement.

Actually their government handed over to the American authorities quite a few middle easteners, some with probable doubtful activity, some just simple folks just trying to make a living. They were immediately deported out of Albania when the 9/11 stuff happened with the request of the Americans, and of course handed out to them. Albanians fully cooperated with the Americans regarding this Iraq war thing, be it wrong or right.

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Now the thing is, what do you serbs have in Kosovo? Last time I heard it was just some old monasteries and nothing more. They can be put under the protection of some prestigious cultural world organization I guess, like UNESCO and stuff.

Out of 2.000.000 Kosovo population, serbs comprise only 10%. You are a minority there and that's it. How are they gonna deport Albanians from there.... it's their land now regardless of whose land was 1000 years ago. They have their lives there, their homes, their jobs, their families.... their whole life.

While serbs just want Kosovo as a prestige thing or smth., and of course for the natural resources (mines) I guess. But it's not like they have anything that they absolutely have to hold on to in Kosovo. Just generation after generation inherited brainwashed nationalistic dreams.

We start with basic facts: Kosovo is a part of Serbia. Whom does it belong to? Serbs, in any context of history, culture, politics, religion.
Those who would steal or claim the area from Serbia are simply the Bad Guys in the conflict (ex: shiptari, kla, narco-terrorist, etc).
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Kosovo, The Alamo of Europe

By Louis Beam

"If President Milosevic continues to choose aggression over peace, NATO's military plans must continue to move forward," President Clinton told reporters on the White House lawn. "Our objective in Kosovo remains clear: to stop the killing and achieve a durable peace that restores Kosovars to [email protected]

For anyone even vaguely familiar with the doublespeak of George Orwells famous book 1984 Clintons words ring with so much irony that it is deafening. ATo stop the [email protected] Clinton will kill Serbian people until they accept his terms. To Aachieve a durable [email protected] he will begin a war against the nation of Yugoslavia. To Arestore self-government he must destroy the current lawful government of another nation and institute a foreign government conceived by non-Yugoslavian people. Is this the president of the United States talking or some sex craved maniac with cruise missiles at his disposal?

AHumane concerns Clinton says. Let the world not forget that it was Bill Clinton who unleashed tanks, fire and bullets against peaceful church members in Waco, Texas killing eighty men, women and children without a tinge of regret, conscience, or sorrow. Now this baby killing, church burning, drug using, draft dodging, woman raping, perjuring lying adulterer---who calls himself the President of the United StatesChas begun killing Europeans in the name of the American people!

The United States under Bill Clinton has become a terrorist country. Unleashing cruise missiles, bombs, fire, death and destruction upon the heads of people from one side of the world to the other. As our once proud flag is sullied and disgraced by these murderous acts; the world looks upon us here in the United States as cruel people who at the flick of a switch are ready to destroy the lives and homes of people they have never met and whom have never harmed them.

What the United States and NATO are engaging in is nothing less than naked aggression against a foreign state. The same sort of aggression that started World War II.

The bombing of this small European country is ugly terrorism of the worst sort. When here in the United States Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City with a single rental truck loaded with explosives---killing men, women and children----he justified his act by saying he was sending the government a warning. President Bill Clinton and his mad bombers in Washington D.C. have unleashed on Serbian people the very first night of the bombing an equivalent of 865 Ryder rental trucks filled with explosives and used the exact same justification to kill! AWe are sending the government of Yugoslavia a message that they must [email protected] Clinton told CNN News. His message of death like that of McVeigh, will destroy the lives of people who have harmed no one.

No terrorist group in the world has exploded more bombs, killed more people, destroyed more factories, shopping centers, schools, building and homes then the Pentagon has under Bill Clinton. We have become the chief terrorists of the world. Alas! Such complete shame, dishonour and disgrace upon the great country founded by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

That the United States of America has sunken so low as to be lead by such a disgraceful pervert as Clinton is a sure sign that we are near the end of our once great civilization and nation. And a warning: the American people are not without guilt in the crimes that this man perpetrates against other human beings. Whether he is killing people in Waco, Texas or Iraq (you remember themClast months enemy), the Sudan, Afghanistan, or in Yugoslavia, the citizens in this country share in his guilt for crimes committed. He is after all an elected official and whether one voted for him or not just being a citizen of the country which makes his miserable rule possible---establishes one as an accomplice to his sins. If you do not understand why this is so then you have been watching too much television. For it is clear to thinking people everywhere, that those who mindlessly support or assist Clinton in his message of death---share in the guilt of innocent blood being so vilely shed.

From A White House To A Whorehouse

Those who have changed the White House into a whorehouse, those who have protected both the whore mongers and the whores, are not just evil, violent, vicious criminals --- they are YOUR GOVERNMENT. Remember this: in the past before this present mad terror campaign in Yugoslavia, Arab women and children were blown to pieces in front of their husband=s very eyes by cruise missiles for no other reason than an American presidential pervert=s desires to take attention away from his ignominious deeds. With a cigar in one hand, and a slut in a blue dress in the other, Clinton turned our White House into his own personal whorehouse. Is it then unreasonable to expect that at some point in the future our shores will be crossed by aggrieved stricken men who=s sole reason for coming is the desire to punish such injustice? When they come here to exact their revenge (for I believe they will) will you then find the moral fortitude to speak out against mad bombing in other countries? To become a real citizen who cares for his nation=s future enough to oppose evil in high places? It may then be too late.

Those who cross our shores to exact vengeance will fight for the memories of families now destroyed by cruise missiles. They can not get at the president of the United States. He sits safely in his white/whore house. He has ten thousand FBI agents to protect him. So they will come for you. Or someone like you. As there is a God in Heaven it is certain justice will fall upon the heads of the people of this nation for not speaking out and opposing these evil men in Washington.

And can you really claim with a clear conscience, and in truth, that you have no part in these bombings by Clinton when you pay the taxes that build the bombs that kill the children, wives and families of people around the world? Think about it. Look at this matter through the eyes of some aggrieved person who has lost his family to your tax bought bombs. He knows you watched television, or went out to a nice restaurant, or perhaps enjoyed a sporting event, while the blood of his wife and children was running between his fingers and dripping from his hands soaking ever so slowly into far away desert sands. Though you may feel no responsibility for violent acts of your government---it is still your government and others certainly hold you responsible. While it is true an Arab avenger cannot bring the desert to you and show you the blood of his loved ones, he can bring you pain, and the terror he knows so well. And he will...

New World Order Police Use Missiles and Television

The New World Order has plans for Europe. And the leading force of one world government has been and continues to be the United States. NATO and not the UN are the world police forces which will bomb, kill, terrorize, and destroy until the whole of Europe and the rest of mankind agrees to submit. A world order led by the likes of George Bush, Bill Clinton, and of course the next degenerate pervert that buys his way into the President of the United States office with illegal foreign campaign donations, support of the eight sinister corporations that own 87% of the news media in the United States, and drug money from CIA operations in Latin America, Mena Arkansas, and elsewhere.

NATO=s supreme commander, Gen. Wesley Clark, on CNN news sinisterly stated ALet=s not forget what the origin of the problem is. There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That=s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic [email protected] So all the forked tongue talk by Clinton of bombing people to save lives is a cover for a secret one world agenda. An agenda the average person has no idea exists or what its effect upon his life will be. But soon people will find out. Today Serbia is bombed but tomorrow it will be another country. Until the whole earth is consumed in a gigantic war to the death between freedom loving people everywhere and those that Clinton and NATO represent.

This controlled news media has made it a purpose to see that American people do not know who they should be supporting and what the real issues in Yugoslavia are. Deliberately, maliciously, and with great malice the Serbs have been portrayed day and night in an evil light while those they fight are described as Ahelpless [email protected] There is a good reason for this gross deception and manipulation of the American peoples minds. Sex offender Clinton is supporting the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a terrorist organization, according to our own state department who in 1997 placed them on a list of terrorist groups. This Islamic Albania terror army is funded by a Muslim drug cartel marketing heroin in the United States and Europe. The KLA has for several years bombed, killed and murdered innocent Serbian men, women and children in an attempt to set up an independent Muslim government in the Christian Nation of Yugoslavia. A terror campaign that is completely hidden from the television screens and newspapers of the United States.

Americans have heard nothing about KLA terror but rather only about the legitimate response President Milosevic of Yugoslavia has carried out with police and the military to stop insurrection and terror bombings conducted by the KLA. The KLA is guilty of bombing schools, restaurants, shopping centers, public buildings, assassinations, murder, rape and all the assorted types of horrid activities that a cruel war produces in men. Yes there have been human rights abuses by both sides. The Serbs are no more, nor less guilty than the KLA of such things. But this is no time for hypocrites to throw their bombs around! It should be remembered that in February of 1945 in a single night over Dresden, Germany the US Air Force fire bombed and killed 125,000 German refugees fleeing the Soviet army. Like wise, in the time that it takes for your own heart to beat twice the United States killed 214,000 human beings with the Atomic bomb. The United States killed in just two days of a four year war 339,000 people. Many more than the Serbian army and police have killed in the entire time of their struggle with the Kosovo Liberation Army. Never perhaps, in the entire history of the human race has such blatant hypocrisy risen to this level. Clinton=s condemnation of the Serbs rises up like the stench of all those dead and burnt bodies to choke the very souls of honest thinking people throughout the world.

Some Background

Because of the control of the news media most people do not understand the real battle being waged inside the borders of Yugoslavia. Let me then tell you about it. 600 years ago Islamic hordes invaded Christian Europe. They destroyed everything in their path. Those who refused to convert to Mohammedism suffered horrible fates. The Serbian women were first raped and then sold along with their children into slavery. Serbian men not killed on the battle field were castrated and blinded to make them docile slaves for their Turkish masters. Whole cities became a single funeral pyre with their flames reaching toward heaven for the thousands who lived in them as they were burned by the invaders. At one point in their advance into Serbia the Turks nailed some 12,000 Serbians to crosses mocking the death of Christ and the Faith of the Serbs. The Turkish invasion of Europe seemed unstoppable as they swept over everything in their path with fire and sword. Until they reached the Kosovo Plain.

For it was there that in 1389 some 77,000 Christian knights and soldiers met the Turks. All of them pledging to each other and to Christ that they would die rather than convert to Mohammedism and lose their liberty. With prayer and fasting and the Cross of Christ before them, 77,000 Christian men led by Serbian Prince Lazar engaged in a gory battle to the death. Giving their life=s blood not just to save the freedom of SerbiaCbut of all Europe from the advance of Mohammed=s enslaving hordes. When the battle was over the cream of Serbian manhood lay dead in great heaps on the blood drenched field along with their Prince. But their death did not come easy for the Muslims. These martyrs for their faith fought so heroically, exacting such a tremendous toll upon the Islamic soldiers, that the advance into the heart of Europe was halted. During the battle a group of knights having heard that their Prince was dead, raced headlong through the enemy lines charging into the very center of the enemy camp where they slew in his tent the Turkish leader Emir Murad I. There they too died in desperate hand to hand combat outnumbered two hundred to one.

Thenceforth Kosovo Field became to the Serbian people Acampo santo,@ The Holy Field. It is considered by many historians of the Christian Church to be the single greatest tomb of Christian martyrs killed in a single day. No other single larger sacrifice of Christians is know. Rome had it=s glory. But Serbia has Kosovo! Each year on St Vitus= Day the Serbs honour the holy martyrs of Kosovo Plain and commemorate that epic sacrifice to freedom and the Faith of Christ with prayer and fasting.

Such is the history of the Alamo like stand of Serbian manhood against the invading foes of Western Christian Civilization. Kosovo province is the heart and soul of Serbia and they will not yield it to today=s Albanian Muslim terrorists backed by American cruise missiles and B2 bombers. The United States= aggression against the Serbs will be valiantly opposed by the descendants of those who died upon Kosovo Plain. The attempt to break it away from the Serbian nation will fail and America will reap more shame and condemnation for it=s cowardly bombing of the Yugoslavian people. Like the Mexican commander Santa Anna who called for the Texans to surrender before his troops stormed the walls of the Alamo, Clinton has called for the surrender of Kosovo. He will not get it. And he will make martyrs of those he kills. Liberty and Faith still has its defenders.

On Kosovo:
During the last three centuries Kosovo Albanians managed to change the ethnic composition of Kosovo and Metohija employing different methods of pressure and violence against Serb Christian population. Now, in many areas where the Serbs live no longer their cultural and religious monuments, churches, monasteries and cemeteries, bear witness of thier centuries old presence and achievements. That is why the historiography of this region, and primarily Serb Christian heritage remain the most important targets of the Kosovo Albanian nation-builders and their supporters. Falsifying the history on one hand, Kosovo Albanians continue with systematic eradication of Serb cultural and religious monuments on the other. This has become especially visible now, after the Kosovo war 1998-1999 when under the excuse of "understandable" retaliation they destroy the culture which has survived for centuries. The process of destruction of Serb Christian monuments therefore is not a result of individual actions but enjoys wide spread support of almost all segments of Kosovo Albanian population, especially their political leaders who have done nothing to stop acts of vandalism. Having this in mind it is hardly possible not bo see that this campaign is in many ways organized and intended to change the identity of one entire area in order to present it as purely Albanian.

Parallely Albanian historians with their "expansive" Illyrian theories already draw new maps of Greater Albania around the Balkans, recreating their new history stealing bits and peaces from the histories of neighboring peoples. From their books one can learn now that not only Aristotle and Alexander the Great were in fact proto-Albanians, but that Serb Orthodox monasteries in churches were built by Albanian tribes and clans!??. These absurd theories of course can hardly have any interest for serious academic circles but nevertheless show the wider intentions of the Albanian nationalists and their intellectual elite. Ideas of independence of Kosovo, self rule in Macedonia etc, can be seen as precursors of further development of instability throughout the Balkans, not only in Serbia and Montenegro, but also in Macedonia and Greece.Therefore the issue of history in Kosovo and Metohija is by no means the issue of academic science but is closely related to the contemporary political trends which threaten Europe with new wars.

--explaining some of the lies on the Kosovo subject; to make a comparison in attempting to deny the Serbian history which is Kosovo is similar to denying facts such as the existance and difference between Race or the various aspects of WW2 which are denied while the approved versions are accepted-
Example:
In this text we can identify the basic elements of the Albanian new approach to the history of Kosovo which, reflects their political and territorial claims:

1. "Kosovo was inhabited by Albanians since ancient times"
WRONG: Albanians as a people which we know today appear as a compact ethnic group only in early Middle Ages and are first mentioned in historical documents in the 11th century. Kosovo and Metoija were inhabited by a majority of Slav population since their arrival to the Balkans until 18th century and their migration under the Ottoman pressure. Kosovo therefore does not have an exclusive Albanian character because the majority of cultural and historical monuments are of the Serbian origin.

Explanation:

Albanians are first mentioned in the 11th century under the name of Arber by Byzantine chronicles and their uninterupted link with Illyrians is highly disputable and cannot be proved by modern historical science. Arberia was situated in the central area of today's Albania and until 14th century there are no records of Arber (Arvanite, Albanian) settlers on the territory of Kosovo and Metohija.Therefore, between the 3rd century AD when Illyrians are last time mentioned as a distinct political factor and the appearance of Albanians/Arberians there are no events which prove any link between the two which makes this Illyrian theory more a romanticized myth than a historical fact. Since 18th century Albanians call themselves “Shqiptar” (Albanian) and their country “Shqiperi” (Albania). At the same time when these names are used by others Kosovo Albanians consider them derrogative. According to many Serb medieval chronicles and documents one may conclude that the number of Albanians in Kosovo was not exceeding 2% of population which was predominantly Serbian and it is only in the later period that the number of Albanians increased due to migrations in the Ottoman period. In fact, since Slav migrations in the VI and VII century today's region of Kosovo and Metohija had been inhabited by Slav population compared to central regions of Albania (around Kroja) where Slavs never managed to absorb the proto-Albanian ethnic core.Although we do not intend to support a theory according to which Albanians or their ancestors (whoever they were) never lived in the territory of today's Kosovo and Metohija - but only to underline a historical fact, which is also recognized by Malcolm despite his pro-Albanian position. In his book The Short History of Kosovo he abolishes one of the most popular quasi-historical Albanian claim saying: The idea that the great mass of the Kosovo population, behind the cover of their Serbian Orthodox names were albanians, who coninued to speak Albanian is simply not credible. If that were true then the names of most of towns and villages in Kosovo would have been Albanian, whereas in fact the great majority of them are Slav. Albanians have certainsly had a continuous presence in this region. But all the evidence suggests that they were only a minority in Medieval Kosovo" (p. 56-57).

2. Kosovo was always a separate entity throughout the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman rule.

WRONG: Kosovo has never been a separate political or ethnic entity in its history and in its present borders exists since the end of WW2. In fact the province always consisted of Kosovo (central and eastern part) and Metohia (western part) which have different cultural and geographical characteristics.

Explanation:

Kosovo has never been a separate entity until our own times, neither in political nor ethnical sense. Beside other periods, Mr. Rugova fails to mention the time between 12- mid 15th cent. of Serbian rule and simply jumps over from Byzantines to Ottomans. In the later Ottoman period there existed Kosovo Vilayet but as an entity which does not correspond to the area where Albanians lived. It was one of many administrative units which did not reflect any homogenous ethnic or political realities. Additionally, Mr. Rugova fails to mention that Kosovo is first mentioned under this name by Serbs, who gave the name to the central plain around Pristina. It had never been mentioned by that name (Kosovo/a) before it finally became a part of Serbian Kingdom in 12th century. Nevertheless, even in that time Kosovo was just a name for a fertile plain stretching from Mitrovica to Pristina and Kacanik, while the western part was called Metohia - (gr. metochia - monastery estates). The present administrative boundaries of Kosovo province were drawn by the communist authorities after the WWII when Kosovo was given a status of authonomy.

3. Monasteries and churches in Kosovo were Albanian and the Serbs occupied them destroying Albanian Catholic churches.

WRONG: There are no historical records of any specifical Albanian Roman Catholic church in Kosovo until later Middle Ages. Before today's province became part of Serbian Kingdom there had existed Orthodox Byzantine churches as the entire area had been under the religious and cultural influence of Constantinople, although the Slav language was very often used in church services. In fact until late Middle Ages Roman Catholic religion in Kosovo and Metohija is completely insignificant element beside numerous Serb Orthodox churches and monasteries built by Serb rulers and nobility since 12th century onwards.

Explanation:

This is a very popular theory among Albanians who try to find any possible explanation how it happens that "on the ethnic Albanian soil of Kosovo" only Serb Orthodox medieval churches survive until today. This theory is even supported by some western historians like Miranda Vickers although she does not base her presumption on a single concrete example. Noel Malcolm is more cautious and even recognizes that "the first reference s to specific Catholic churches in Kosovo - at Prizren, Trepca, Janjevo and Novo Brdo - come from the middle of Dusan's reign p. 52 SHof Kosovo"(ie second half of the XIV c) In fact problem with this theory of adoption as well as a similar claim that Serb kings imposed Orthodoxy on Catholic Albanian is more a matter of fiction. Before the Serbs included Kosovo within their state this region was under the Byzantine rule and predominantly populated by Slavs of Orthodox faith under the Archdiocese of Ochrid. It is true that some Byzantine cathedrals and churches were enlarged and reconstructed by Serbs, like Bogorodica Ljeviska and Gracanica where Byzantine Orthodox churches had existed before. Existence of any Latin Albanian churches in this area prior the Serb or during the Byzantine rule is not known to the historical science nor can it be proved by any archeological excavation. This, of course does not mean that there were no Roman Cahtolics in the area, but simply that their number and importance was so insignificant to attract any special historical interest. Even Malcolm recognizes that the existing Roman Catholic churches which were built in XIVc were those of Dubrovnik, merchants and Saxon miners and not of any Albanian Catholic population. Suprisingly to many, in the territory of Kosovo there is not a single medieval church (or its remains) which was built specifically by Albanians, not a single fresco or monument bearing any inscription associated to the Albanian ethnicity... simply nothing at all. Also, there are no records at all that Serbs destroyed any Roman Catholic church in Kosovo in the Middle Ages. Old Roman Catholic churches survive there where there was a real influence of Rome in that period, and that is the Albanian coast and the area around Skodra. The sad truth is that Albanian Moslems destroyed many Christian churches and monasteries, just like they are destroying and desecrating them now.

4. There are Albanians of both Catholic and Orthodox confession.... and the Roman city of Ulpiana gave first martyrs.

RIGHT...BUT: In Kosovo and Metohija there are no Orthodox Albanians nor any Albanian Orthodox church while the Albanian R.Catholic community does not have continuity with the ancient times. The Christian continuity from the early church up to our own day can be directly traced through numerous Christian monuments (Byzantine and Serb) only within the Orthodox Christian tradition.

Explanation:

At the end of his speech Mr. Rugova finally said the truth with an exception that in Kosovo there are no Orthodox Albanians. Christian tradition in the area of Kosovo and Metohija is dominantly Eastern Orthodox and Slav in its character. Ulpiana was an ancient Roman merchant city in which early Christian martyrs Florus and Laurus suffered for Christ. The Orthodox Church glorifies these martyrs and consecrates churches and chapels in their honour. Among Kosovo Albanians there has never been any special cult of these holy martyrs of Ulpiana, especially not among Moslem Albaninas to which Mr. Rugova belongs.

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It is important to mention that not a single Kosovo Albanian politician, including Mr. Rugova, did anything to stop the destruction of more than 100 churches and monasteries after the war. No one of them has ever visited any monastic community. With such a highly unresponsible behavior for a "moderate and democratic oriented politician", Mr. Rugova proved in fact that he did not believe what he had previously said. Because if he or his colleagues had really considered these churches and monasteries to be Albanian, they would have probably be the frist to protect the cultural heritage of Kosovo or at least stop their comaptriots in destruction of centuries long Christian tradition in this region.

To finish with an anecdote which the author of this commentary personally heard and saw.....

Mr. Rugova tried to find a plausable explanation for the destruction of the Serb churches after the Kosovo war. At the meeting with the US President Clinton on Nov. 23, 1999, both Albanian and Serb leaders including Bishop Artemije were present. The Bishop gave to the President a book about destroyed churches and Mr. Clinton looked reproachfully at Mr. Rugova and Mr. Thaci asking them how they can stop these attacks. Suddely Mr. Rugova exclaimed..... These were political churches!. In that moment, Bishop Artemije just showed to the President a photo of one of many destroyed medieval churches. An unpleasant moment of silence interrupted the course of the meeting...

Our soil is not a prestige thing, that's what you Americans fail to understand, and that's why we could never agree on nationalist questions.

If our ancestors had all left this continent, each time they had met troubles (and God knows how much troubles we have endured), there would be nobody's left here. I had ancestors who were picking stones in the fields to get the roads paved, after all they could have said "come on, we have no wealth here, go and let see if it is better somewhere else!...". But no, they have stayed here, worked in the fields and the factories, and ultimately built a decent life level, with a social system in France, that was even making North-american jealous.

Sure we have no uranium or oil here, but abandoning whole regions of my country, just like the Serbs were forced to do, (and just like we could be forced to do in the not too far future), and accepting it just because the invader is as fair-skinned as my people, is just not a viable option for me. The more I post here, the more I am under the impression that White nationalism is nothing else but a pretense to forgive the chauvinism of SOME white people against some other white people. It is OK for Russians to call Armenians or Georgians filth, but it is not OK for Irish or French to express concerns about excessive immigration from eastern Europe. It is OK for Poles to speak hogwash about Germans, but it is not OK for Germans to express their griefs for having millions of their people ethnically cleansed from eastern Europe. Serbs should shut up in front of the muslim infestation, just because those invaders may be blonder than them. Europeans as a whole should also be happy with all the technological devices the USAF has been pouring on our land since WWII, the last in date being DU shells. Express concerns about the health hazards those weapons could pause to european populations, and you will be treated of an idiot and a coward especially if you are a "frenchie" (perfectly following the today's US trend) even if the average frenchie has certainly more balls than the average yank as it has been demonstrated in the bloody trench warfares that murdered our continent in the past. But after all, being brown haired Celts, we are nothing else but "sand-******s" for the true blond-haired, blue-eyed, hyperborean gods the Anglo-saxons are, as I have been told on another board...

All this stuff doesn't deceive us anymore. I don't think that the people here really agree with those speeches, but they close their eyes on it, especially some Mods, for not really obvious reasons : maybe they think that by sacrificing a bit of the national interests of continental europeans they will make the cause of white nationalism progress even if they push the same ideas than the worst ZOG supporters by the same token. Maybe it is their natural optimism and naiveness of Westerners that prevent them from seeing the truth, I don't know...

Well then, Jolly Roger, what is your solution to the above problems between our various ethnic groups(even if in just one region)? The solely nationalist approach of pushing them out of other groups' nations entirely and reclaiming land stolen from a people? In that case, the Germans have a hell of a lot of work to do that will piss off a great many people, including your fellow Frenchmen.

Don't think for a minute that I do not understand the concept of blood and soil, but inter-necine warfare does nothing but weaken us as the third world trash move in to displace us all. Is there no peaceful solution?

As far as the NWO goes...if you don't want to join it, tell both NATO and the EU to sod off. Surely the French would prefer to have the opportunity to speak ill of the Holohoax?

Well then, Jolly Roger, what is your solution to the above problems between our various ethnic groups(even if in just one region)? The solely nationalist approach of pushing them out of other groups' nations entirely and reclaiming land stolen from a people? In that case, the Germans have a hell of a lot of work to do that will piss off a great many people, including your fellow Frenchmen.

You seem to forget something, Mr Rich, the germanic population of Alsace and Lorraine (if that's what you are talking about) has never been ethnically cleansed. In fact they have remained on their native soil to the present day, and they have been integrated to the french state, to the point that today, the worst offense you can do to an Alsatian is to call him a german!... If they had been as ill treated as the german civilians at the hands of the Poles, they surely would have never wanted to be french, and they would have left like the Serbs are doing in Kosovo!...

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Don't think for a minute that I do not understand the concept of blood and soil, but inter-necine warfare does nothing but weaken us as the third world trash move in to displace us all. Is there no peaceful solution?