tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post2156938638254646335..comments2015-03-31T15:58:54.917-05:00Comments on Althouse: Liberal, Conservative, Moderate — put these types in rank order, by percentage of Americans, according to a new Gallup poll.Ann Althousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01630636239933008807noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-62411688080578614572009-06-16T02:05:43.197-05:002009-06-16T02:05:43.197-05:00The conservative/moderate/liberal breakdown is out...The conservative/moderate/liberal breakdown is outdated. The key point that needs to be understood is that the grumpy/happy/apathetic breakdown stands at 72%/10%/18%.Revenanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11374515200055384226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-15076023048334466852009-06-16T01:12:30.918-05:002009-06-16T01:12:30.918-05:00&quot;The fact that over 40% of the electorate pay...&quot;<i>The fact that over 40% of the electorate pays no taxes means something like half the voters (the very rich, whose wealth shields them from the impact of higher taxes, as well as the 40% who pay nothing) have no stake in fiscal conservatism.</i>&quot;<br /><br />I was thinking about this and... it&#39;s not true. On the one hand, everyone should pay *some* income tax, if only a symbolic token amount, to signify participation in citizenship...<br /><br />But it&#39;s not true that people who do not pay income taxes don&#39;t pay taxes. Of course they do. Lots of taxes. And we&#39;re looking at more and more taxes on *all* people despite Obama&#39;s promises... they just aren&#39;t *income* taxes. It will be greater taxes, nearly punitive taxes, on purchases of those items that other people figure you don&#39;t need or shouldn&#39;t have. Sin taxes. And they WILL hit the poor hard.<br /><br />Anyone and everyone ought to have a stake in fiscal conservatism.<br /><br />During the campaigns someone asked people if they knew what Obama had said about spreading wealth around. One the You Tube video one attractive young lady turned her vacant smile on the camera and said, &quot;Well, that sounds pretty good, doesn&#39;t it?&quot;<br /><br />She may not have thought that she&#39;d be one of those being asked to give her wealth to other people, and Obama was very FIRM about how taxes would not go up a single penny for people making less than $200 or $250 K or whatever it was... <br /><br />But there are a whole heck of a lot more taxes and ways to tax people than just tax their income. We&#39;re already seeing proposals for different ways to tax drivers who drive the wrong sort of cars, for example. <br /><br />This clear fact of *universal* taxation and taxpayer interest in government fiscal responsibility is one of those things that conservative candidates should be prepared to clearly articulate.Synovahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01311191981918160095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-50656700153631127012009-06-15T22:30:33.942-05:002009-06-15T22:30:33.942-05:00Thanks to Lem for linking to Freeman Hunt&#39;s co...Thanks to Lem for linking to Freeman Hunt&#39;s comments earlier today.<br /><br />I feel your pain, Freeman, hence my last post.<br /><br />Not all of us are as good with words, though. And extreme sadness belies your ability to act in new ways.<br /><br />Be passionate, yet patient and hard working. Above all, be sure to ask what you wish for.<br /><br />Far too many of we Americans find it easier to be built up or let down by those to whom we hand over our personal power.<br /><br />Democrat, Republican?<br /><br />Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama?<br /><br />Conservative, Moderate, Liberal?<br /><br />No thank you. <br /><br />I will find my own voice. <br /><br />It will take time and hard work, but it will happen.<br /><br />Fuckin&#39; Palladian and Jeremy need to just recognize my open hand! <br /><br />Buncha friggin&#39; &quot;right fighting&quot; eloquent dolts who just can&#39;t disagree without being tasty boors, AND here I am loving and sucking every last ounce of fat from their boners.<br /><br />&quot;She said, wryly and shyly, with no hint of sexuality.&quot;<br /><br />I have this &quot;THING&quot; for leaders.Pennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-54957424246707414842009-06-15T21:43:52.915-05:002009-06-15T21:43:52.915-05:00Anthony said...&quot;I am coming at this a bit bia...Anthony said...&quot;I am coming at this a bit biase, as I volunteered on McCain&#39;s 2000 campaign and in 2008, he was the first (and will probably be the only) candidate I ever maxed out on contributions too.&quot;<br /><br />You gave this idiot $5.00?Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08569643253261527506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85900348078039037212009-06-15T21:42:28.334-05:002009-06-15T21:42:28.334-05:00bagoh20 said...&quot;I actually can respect someon...bagoh20 said...&quot;I actually can respect someone voting for an unprincipled Liberal - they at least know what they are voting for. Hiring a candidate with Obama&#39;s resume for this job would get that manager fired at my company.&quot;<br /><br />You&#39;re describing a the people who voted for and elected President Obama. Where doe that leave YOU...dipstick?<br /><br />On the outside.Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08569643253261527506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-68399531482030803462009-06-15T21:39:52.143-05:002009-06-15T21:39:52.143-05:00elHombre - So can I assume you don&#39;t understan...elHombre - So can I assume you don&#39;t understand the meaning of &quot;relentless?&quot;<br /><br />Duh.Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08569643253261527506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-10471273910976230512009-06-15T21:37:49.253-05:002009-06-15T21:37:49.253-05:00What is a political party that is vastly white, mi...What is a political party that is vastly white, middle-aged, male, Southern, pious, conservative, aggrieved, impotent, nostalgic, rude...(John Batchelor-Republican)Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08569643253261527506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36732892201214368532009-06-15T20:45:10.426-05:002009-06-15T20:45:10.426-05:00Jeremy wrote (4:24): elHombre said...&quot;...but ...Jeremy wrote (4:24): <i>elHombre said...&quot;...but their real problem is that they don&#39;t understand the concept &quot;relentless,&quot; even when the Democrats demonstrate it for them.&quot;<br /><br />When you say &quot;relentless,&quot; are you referring to the use of the term; &quot;socialism&quot; every time anybody mentions health care?<br />...<br />What do you think about that...elHombre??<br /><br /></i>I think your comment is a <i>non sequitur</i> and that you are dumb as a rock, Jeremy.elHombrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12670099074010641958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86722001100964441662009-06-15T20:25:08.239-05:002009-06-15T20:25:08.239-05:00Cedarford --
I am coming at this a bit biase, as ...Cedarford --<br /><br />I am coming at this a bit biase, as I volunteered on McCain&#39;s 2000 campaign and in 2008, he was the first (and will probably be the only) candidate I ever maxed out on contributions too. <br /><br />I believe that McCain was the only Repuiblican who had a shot in 2008. <br /><br />As for Romney, I was more impressed with him before he started running, and very impressed with him after he dropped out. While he was running he left me cold and wet.Anthonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06638332009159486046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69954240562649081702009-06-15T20:15:50.423-05:002009-06-15T20:15:50.423-05:00Hoosier - The fact that McCain was literally board...Hoosier - <i>The fact that McCain was literally boarding up the door to his campaign office six months prior to the election certainly makes you wonder how the hell he ended up with the nomination. <br /><br />I still contend that had Romney gotten the nod, Obama would be voting present right now.</i><br /><br />1. McCain got it because quirky NH voters thought he &quot;deserved it as a POW who suffered and all after losing in 2000&quot;. And because down South, the conservative vote got split 3 ways. And Romney lost it by trying to swing so far right into &quot;values conservatives areas&quot; that he smelled phoney. <br /><br />2. Romney likely would have been unable to shed the stink of Bush II. The country wanted a big change...and Obama still almost lost it by people reminded this was a serious time and a guy who read a Teleprompter as his main asset for office may not be the best choice. Yes, he faced a horrific, inchoherent McCain...and a woman that alienated women outside her rural white bastion areas no no end, along with Independents and many moderates. (McCain was forced to pick Palin because Pastor Huckleberry was too much to stomach, and his decades of backstabbing conservatives meant he had to get someone to toss them the good old 30 year old conservative red meat slogans..)<br /><br />3. However, I think Romney might not have salvaged the Presidency, but he would have done more to stop the massacre Down Ticket. Both Palin and McCain were so ignorant on economic matters that when the crisis hit, they both failed open...and worse...allowed Democrats place blame square on All REpublicans.<br />Romney would have campaigned with a clear, well prepped Reublican message. McCain was all about &quot;character&quot; and &quot;trust me I don&#39;t know what to do, but I will do the right thing - My Friends! My Friends!&quot;<br />He may have lost, but Romney would have saved many Republicans down ticket, and put clear markers of Republican positions down rather than the blank slate McCain gifted Obama with - all Obama had to do was expand to fill the national policy vacuum left by McCain.<br /><br />That wasn&#39;t good enough, alas.<br />And the great irony is the One Republican that could have won, was well thought of by moderates and hispanics as well as white Fundies and those that wanted less belligerance overseas was screwed by Dubya more than anyone, cursed by Dubya with the same last name. <br />Gov Jeb Bush.Cedarfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-26229496283330206252009-06-15T20:01:50.734-05:002009-06-15T20:01:50.734-05:00I actually can respect someone voting for an unpri...I actually can respect someone voting for an unprincipled Liberal - they at least know what they are voting for. Hiring a candidate with Obama&#39;s resume for this job would get that manager fired at my company. Even if he ends up doing well, it was poor decision making that lucked out, like betting your savings on the lottery and winning. If it ends in disaster, I want a few million apologies.bagoh20http://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-17687164608270166812009-06-15T19:53:44.784-05:002009-06-15T19:53:44.784-05:00If Jim and Jeremy wouldn&#39;t mind, I&#39;d like ...If Jim and Jeremy wouldn&#39;t mind, I&#39;d like to go back to how the Tea Party Movement fits in here?<br /><br />I agree with Jim that the movement is 21st century historic, no matter how small it is. I would like to disagree with Jim on his feeling that we will see results in the next election cycle.<br /><br />This movement is much more about American&#39;s taking back their power than it has one thing to do with whether we are Conservative, or Moderate, and Liberal. Based on the comments to this Althouse post, it&#39;s clear that labels don&#39;t really matter so much because most of us get quite angry about being pigeon-holed inaccurately, at the same time we are sure that everyone else was pigeon-holing themselves inaccurately --- but for some &quot;perfect&quot; definition.<br /><br />The Tea Party concept works for anyone, regardless of party. Those that think it is a conservative movement will do what (?) eight years from now when that pendulum swings in the opposite direction?<br /><br />While this country may have a two-party system, most recently defined as those in power and those out of power... as thinking people, we can&#39;t really believe that anyone might dare to speak for us when we dare to speak for ourselves? THAT is the beauty of the Tea Party Movement. Americans speaking for themselves! <br /><br />In this internet age, we expect instant gratification. From Palladian&#39;s lips, for example, to our legislatures&#39; actions? <br /><br />Time to stop looking for the &quot;quick fix&quot;, fellow citizens. Palladian hasn&#39;t even convinced Althouse to ban Jeremy.<br /><br />I applaud Althouse for her objectvity, given local demographics. On the other hand, I fully expect that Palladian will take his well stated conservative arguments to Palladian.com. He and Trooper.com will come together to make some fun of Ann when they aren&#39;t thanking her for providing them both with just the right way of stepping out on their own.<br /><br />THIS is America. One step after another of hard work, pain and reward on timelines only your grandparents could imagine making sense.<br /><br />Althouse is an entrepeneur. She bakes pies, and is not on a diet. Her &quot;kids&quot; have their favorites though. <br /><br />Thank you, Ann. Could I have a slice of Palladian cherry and a sliver of Jeremy blueberry? A big scoop of whipped cream over both, please? REAL whipped cream, if you don&#39;t mind. I am on my way to Troop&#39;s house, where &quot;cream&quot; is <br />continually redefined. I like it there, but then again, I&#39;m not so fussy about my cream as long as it is liberally applied by a New York conservative. (Oxymoron alert).Pennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02094488084214911115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-49451816199782539252009-06-15T19:40:07.626-05:002009-06-15T19:40:07.626-05:00Salamandyr said...
Damn Straight. Say what you st...<i> Salamandyr said... <br />Damn Straight. Say what you stand for and then stand for it. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the GOP hasn&#39;t figured this out. All the big noisemakers are still bleating about how &quot;we need to be moderate&quot; as if John McCain wasn&#39;t their handpicked candidate. So count on them screwing this up at least through the next election.</i><br /><br />The problem is saying we need that good &#39;ol time Reagan freedom for Wall Street to act without any dang gummint regulation and oversight, need to put most money with the rich so they create good jobs, and do and suffer more major wars for Israel....and do the full true believer act on Terri Schiavo and other &quot;values&quot; lodestones.<br /><br />And &quot;excite&quot; the Southern whites and hardcore conservatives elsewhere. No moderation! No &quot;pandering&quot; to non-whites..weak women...and so on.<br /><br />The problem is Reagan got 55% of the white vote in 1980. McCain got exactly the same - 55% - and lost, and the underticket was led to doom by Dubya..2008 was another catastrophic rout in the States and Congressional offices. The difference, thanks to Bush and Clinton&#39;s open Borders - is whites are down from 88% of the population in 1980 to 74% today.<br /><br />There is a reason &quot;true believers&quot; NEVER get elected except following a failed President. <br /><br />Usually they end up on the wrong side of a national or Party primary landslide - think Goldwater, McGovern, Jesse Jackson, Pat Buchanan. After the debacle, they get lionized as the &quot;true believers of impeccable purity - while at the same time knowing no one will touch them with a 10-foot pole for the debacle they get blamed for.<br /><br />And after a few years out of power, even the most fanatical liberal or conservative will will want a return from the wilderness so much they will jettison Jesse...or will jettison Sarah Palin, Huckabee is fellow hardcore Fundies, anyone with a taint of Bush II or the Neocons, Newt, and any conservative ideologue for the rich - like Steve Forbes and Grover Norquist..Cedarfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00602418702398818596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-86484838817813276102009-06-15T19:09:51.084-05:002009-06-15T19:09:51.084-05:00Jeremy
Ever notice how the conservative babies a...<i>Jeremy <br /><br />Ever notice how the conservative babies always taste bitter, but go better with whine?<br /><br />And the liberal babies always taste sweet?<br /><br />Just wondered...</i><br /><br />Sweet is for desert, not dinner.<br /><br />In any event, you are probably seasoning them wrong, and cooking them too long.Anthonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06638332009159486046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-53965567182792555662009-06-15T19:01:20.820-05:002009-06-15T19:01:20.820-05:00Bago, obviously I am engaging in a little mind-rea...Bago, obviously I am engaging in a little mind-reading. Althouse can speak for herself. However, from what I gleaned from her posts back then she felt McCain had not shown himself to be a principled conservative-- or rather, that he had shown himself to be an unprincipled one.<br /><br />Obama, on the other hand, at the time had not shown himself to be unprincipled.<br /><br />That he has so proven doesn&#39;t matter.<br /><br />Besides, Althouse has said on many occasions that she is a liberal. All things being equal, if she had to choose between an unprincipled conservative and an unprincipled liberal, without other extenuating circumstances, she&#39;s likely to choose the liberal every time.EnigmatiCorehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00596092527748619763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-43835228121246175862009-06-15T18:21:42.165-05:002009-06-15T18:21:42.165-05:00Big Mike -
I too remember the Carter years, and ...Big Mike - <br /><br />I too remember the Carter years, and this is all too reminiscent of how they began. Keynesian government policies, weak-kneed foreign policy...it&#39;s like deja vu all over again.<br /><br />The primary thrust of my post was simply to point out that the GOP hasn&#39;t been making the case to that 40% that pays no income taxes. I was merely pointing out that there definitely <b>is</b> a case to be made in terms that will bring it home to <b>every</b> American regardless of their tax situation, but the GOP has yet to make it.<br /><br />I hope for the sake of this country, that an effective spokesman (or spokeswoman) starts making this case today - before Obama ratchets up the &quot;well, I know I said I wasn&#39;t going to raise taxes on 95% of Americans, but the situation has changed...&quot; argument that is inevitably going to follow this drunken spending spree.Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17143782473850677784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-85415953363275325402009-06-15T18:12:07.534-05:002009-06-15T18:12:07.534-05:00Ohhhhhhh, and can we assume you were in a fucking ...<i>Ohhhhhhh, and can we assume you were in a fucking coma during the Bush years?</i>.<br /><br />Do you actually have an argument of substance as opposed to the &#39;he did it too!&#39; excuse most 3rd graders use?<br /><br />Oh wait, it&#39;s you. Never mind.Hoosier Daddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-36336969473094129652009-06-15T18:11:14.634-05:002009-06-15T18:11:14.634-05:00@Jim, regarding your 5:46 post, did you think you ...@Jim, regarding your 5:46 post, did you think you had to tell <i>me</i>?<br /><br />Unlike a large part of the electorate, apparently, I have vivid memories of the Carter years. Hyperinflaction, stagflation, 16% mortgage rates. I&#39;m less than a decade from retirement so I have strong fears of its return.<br /><br />But if you&#39;re part of the 40% who pay zero in federal taxes, runaway inflation probably seems to be a purely abstract concept.<br /><br />As regards oil, I used to wonder whether the US wasn&#39;t being really smart underneath it all -- pump Venezuala and the Arabian penisula dry and we&#39;d still have our offshore oil reserves, not to mention shale oil, Canadian tar sands, and ANWR to draw upon. But now I think we&#39;re just stupid and doing something smart purely by accident.Big Mikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15831645119853118904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-74708244290574604392009-06-15T18:10:27.397-05:002009-06-15T18:10:27.397-05:00Ask people what policies they support, sans labels...<i>Ask people what policies they support, sans labels and marketing spin, and you&#39;ll find them backing the liberal option time and time again. </i>.<br /><br />Absolutely. That&#39;s why liberal California voted overwhelmingly to allow gays to marry. And why liberal Oregan voted overwhelmingly for that state universal health care program.Hoosier Daddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-80166751338764416992009-06-15T18:00:44.819-05:002009-06-15T18:00:44.819-05:00In my previous post, the &quot;his promises&quot; ...In my previous post, the &quot;his promises&quot; was unintentionally ambiguous. It should read &quot;Obama&#39;s promises.&quot;Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17143782473850677784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-11004763300339447982009-06-15T17:58:55.704-05:002009-06-15T17:58:55.704-05:00bagoh20 -
Ann&#39;s logic in supporting Obama was...bagoh20 -<br /><br />Ann&#39;s logic in supporting Obama was, quite frankly, never very sound to begin with. It always boiled down to essentially this:<br /><br />&quot;As a resident of Wisconsin and member of a liberal faulty, my default position is to vote for Obama. If McCain says something earth-shattering or the media points out just how mind-bendingly inane his promises are in light of his past track record, then maybe I&#39;ll vote for McCain.&quot;<br /><br />Aside from the &quot;true believers&quot; on the Left for whom only slavish devotion to all things Left is sufficiently loyal enough, I don&#39;t think anyone here really thought there was a realistic chance that she was going to wind up supporting McCain.<br /><br />That&#39;s certainly her right, and I would never gainsay our hostess the illusion that her vote was ever really in doubt (barring some kind of &quot;game-changer&quot; which a supine media ensured wasn&#39;t going to happen). But, whether it was conscious or not, I have little doubt that she reached her conclusion first and attempted to justify it later.Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17143782473850677784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-44670617507358841372009-06-15T17:53:35.023-05:002009-06-15T17:53:35.023-05:00Jim - &quot;The problem is that most people don&#3...Jim - &quot;The problem is that most people don&#39;t understand the indirect costs of an out-of-control spendthrift Congress and its enabler-in-chief.&quot;<br /><br />Ohhhhhhh, and can we assume you were in a fucking coma during the Bush years?<br /><br />You know, when we had a dramatic increase in government spending? When the surplus left behind by Clinton was eaten up via tax cuts and massive spending?<br /><br />Bush walks away, leaving the country buried in debt, entering a huge recession...and all you can do is whine about Obama&#39;s policies?<br /><br />Do you read anything before posting or just let Rush and Hannity do you thinking?Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08569643253261527506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-69013541448482456872009-06-15T17:47:43.298-05:002009-06-15T17:47:43.298-05:00&quot;&quot;I don&#39;t think it was that he wasn&...<i>&quot;&quot;I don&#39;t think it was that he wasn&#39;t conservative enough, it was that he wasn&#39;t principled enough.</i><br />-<br />She said: &quot;he never defined himself as a principled conservative&quot;, therefore she voted for an unprincipled Liberal.<br />-<br />kinda like: &quot;It was too dark, so I turned out the lights.&quot; I must not be understanding her logic. I assume she does.bagoh20http://www.blogger.com/profile/10915174575358413637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-48001214881770940682009-06-15T17:46:43.740-05:002009-06-15T17:46:43.740-05:00I also think you put your finger right on the prob...<b><br />I also think you put your finger right on the problem. Or one of the problems, anyway. The fact that over 40% of the electorate pays no taxes means something like half the voters (the very rich, whose wealth shields them from the impact of higher taxes, as well as the 40% who pay nothing) have no stake in fiscal conservatism.</b><br /><br />They don&#39;t NOW. <br /><br />BUT, they will, inevitably, be impacted because they want all of these benefits and money isn&#39;t infinite. <br /><br />And when they ARE impacted...it&#39;ll be exceptionally ugly, and also quite well deserved.<br /><br />As Thatcher said, the problem with Socialism is that you will eventually run out of somebody else&#39;s money.scinfinityhttp://openid.aol.com/scinfinitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6329595.post-57569980013162853012009-06-15T17:46:29.768-05:002009-06-15T17:46:29.768-05:00Big Mike -
You&#39;re right about not paying taxe...Big Mike -<br /><br />You&#39;re right about not paying taxes, but everyone pays indirect taxes even if they don&#39;t pay income taxes.<br /><br />For example, Obama&#39;s reckless fiscal policies are driving up interest rates which is going to affect the availability and price of credit for everyone. Even if you can&#39;t get credit or don&#39;t use it, the prices you pay for everything are going to go up because the companies that produce the goods and services you consume do use credit.<br /><br />The problem is that most people don&#39;t understand the indirect costs of an out-of-control spendthrift Congress and its enabler-in-chief. An effective opposition would be pointing out how their cronyism on the taxpayer&#39;s dime is affecting household budgets across this country.<br /><br />And let&#39;s not even get started on the effect of a weak-kneed foreign policy on the price of oil and how that&#39;s affecting - and will affect - household budgets. <br /><br />The only question is whether there will be an effective advocate willing to make these arguments. If there is, then the entirety of the Democratic Party is in serious trouble.Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17143782473850677784noreply@blogger.com