Comments on: If Melky Cabrera’s phony website didn’t warrant a 100-game suspension, how can Ryan Braun get one?http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/10/if-melky-cabreras-phony-website-didnt-warrant-a-100-game-suspension-how-can-ryan-braun-get-one/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:26:13 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: cofran2004http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/10/if-melky-cabreras-phony-website-didnt-warrant-a-100-game-suspension-how-can-ryan-braun-get-one/comment-page-1/#comment-529967
Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:43:11 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-529967trying to read your comment made my brain hurt. i understand its the internet, and grammar isnt the most important thing in the world, but could you maybe at least try?
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Sat, 13 Jul 2013 18:40:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-529965this whole thing stinks of 1) revenge on braun, and 2) hey, let’s throw a-rod in because no one likes him, and he’s a huge name who will scare others into not touching PED’s. the 50 game suspension is, according to their own rules, all they can give either. if they didn’t like it, they shouldnt have made that their rule.
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Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:56:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-529859This will drag out for five years once the lawyers and union get involved,
a guide to the players
MLB..WHO IS THAT?.
BUDDY CLUELESS SELIG
BRAUN…Plays and gets paid by commissioner..I mean owner Selig…Last year beat MLB/SELIG on drug test….ROUND 2
ARIOD..Former self admitted user without penalty/no test.
Guaranteed. HEADLINES. Lives in Miami
Craig I AM TRYING TO BE IMPARTIAL Calcaterra
I hope ESPN takes notes of my work. If not..Court TV will have me on
CAST OF CLOWNS AND OWNER OF BIOGENESIS.
Hmmm..Lets make deal with MLB first. It will show good faith before Federal Indictment
Get ready for a new ESPN baseball steroid reality show with an almost uncanny court room looking backset
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Thu, 11 Jul 2013 03:04:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-528211Understood your point, and have not argued with it. My point is that, based on current information, actually suspending Braun based on a lie would then be applying a double standard.
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Thu, 11 Jul 2013 01:59:32 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-528177It’s a sad thing when Calkie almost has to write “I don’t condone PED use” at the top of every article or we have to endure all the moronic comments by people that half-think, half-read and half-write.

Signed,
Personal Enhancement Drones

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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:52:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527777because of that
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:51:51 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527775Unfortunately, as you can plainly see by all the other comments (and the subject of another thread), more people will reserve their animosity towards the players rather than the corporate entity known as Major League Baseball. And because of the, MLB has pretty much an open hand to do what it wants.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:36:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527756I say throw them in jail if they were doing roids or hgh. It’s cheating. And it’s value manipulation. Who knows how much a clean Braun is worth ! Is it 10 million less ? 20 ? Who knows. That’s stealing money from the rest of the players. Even though I dislike the owners it’s stealing from them as well. A-rod will make half a billion dollars playing baseball. How much of that did he cheat to get ? Half of it ?

Maybe you don’t agree with baseball’s way of doing things and that’s fine. I get that. But still are these dbags the guys you want to mke your stand for ?? These losers who spit in the fans face rigt as the fans hand over their money. Braun doesn’t give a damn if your littler brother now has to sport the jersey of a cheater and a liar. He could careless because he got that big deal .

F Braun
F a-rod

Take some responsibility and own up to what you did and further more STOP doing it.

Anyone caught after the whole McGuire bonds deal should be expelled and shot for being an unbelievable a-hole !!!

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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:20:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527731I’m still confused. Does the Joint Drug Agreement say that you can be suspended without failing a test for PEDs? This paperwork only proves that they purchased the PEDs. Not that they were ever injected. One of these guys will find a lawyer to say that they considered using, bought the PEDs and threw them away after purchasing them. I don’t know all the rules of the JDA. Is that enough for a suspension?
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:19:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527728Copo, I can’t sympathize with him in this case because he “previously” worked the system, used PED’s, and lied about it. IMO. And far as his lawyer is concerned, isn’t he paid very well to do what it takes to get his client off the hook? Even if it means fabricating reasons for his client using a clinic known to supply PED’s, to baseball players? I’m not saying one way or another that he’s guilty in the Biogenesis debacle. I will say I don’t trust his lawyer at all. I will also say I don’t believe Braun very much either. We will know more in the future I’m sure. I think I’d take the bet on this one that MLB will be able to prove their case, in a way I hope they do.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:13:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527713100 game suspensions: since MLB has said nary a word about suspensions and not mentioned 100 games a single time as a possibility, this undoubtedly came from idiot ‘journalists’ – read jock sniffers – who are fabricating the entire thing. Not that any of you ‘sniffers’ have ever done something like that before.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:00:26 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527701

I cannot sympathize with Braun at all in this case because he’s trying to work the system, use PED’s, and lie about it.

I’m curious, but what evidence do we have that Braun used PEDs associated with this clinic? His attorney has given a very credible excuse as to why money was owed from the clinic (consulting work with the previous drug test). Has more information come out?

I’m, personally the opposite. Let them take whatever they want, it’s their bodies afterall, and if they want to deal with permanent side effects of anything down the road to entertain us, go right ahead.

Completely agree, let adults make adult decisions. Don’t give me this “won’t someone think of the children” crap when MLB refuses to punish guys who get DUIs, which kill people 1000x more often than steroids (including one of their own players, Adenhart from the Angels).

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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:04:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527627Honestly, it would seem like a huge bargaining chip more than anything else. It seems most of the people out there would prefer these things out of the game.

I’m, personally the opposite. Let them take whatever they want, it’s their bodies afterall, and if they want to deal with permanent side effects of anything down the road to entertain us, go right ahead.

I think if they did that, and a few generations of major leaguers start dropping dead earlier in life, the problem might correct itself ultimately.

I am very aware of what happened in the Braun case. It was quite thoroughly discussed here and everywhere else. That doesn’t mean to me that he wasn’t guilty of using PED’s as much as it means that he got very lucky that MLB wasn’t as diligent as it should have been when handling samples. It has been proven that the compounds found in the sample cannot spontaneously appear. He did not follow the rules that state you cannot use banned substances. In other words, I know he was guilty of using banned substances but did get lucky and got out of his suspension.

I cannot sympathize with Braun at all in this case because he’s trying to work the system, use PED’s, and lie about it.

MLB did not follow the rules. They broke the rule of confidentiality in the Braun case. Unfortunately, there are no specified penalties for that in the JDA.

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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:55:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527526Exactly. This is a very bad precedent, it’s very bad policy besides (to violate their own CBA) and if MLBPA doesn’t vigorously defend *all* potential “offenders” (remember, MLB has thus far proven nothing and their so-called informers are people of dubious moral character at absolute best), they are the stupidest union in the history of the world.

Or to put it in plainer terms — Craig is absolutely right.

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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:49:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527514Jeez Craig, here’s where I find absolute fault on your part. You constantly support the system. Lately the system supports those who admit guilt and the system shows leniency. Melky admitted guilt, and also asked to be excluded from the batting title etc (even though probably trying to avoid other punishment). Braun has never ever even to a modicum of a degree admitted to any degree of guilt, morevover, he has taken the offensive, blaming others, and claiming absolute innocence, etc..
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:27:39 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527475Maybe comprehension is just not his/her thing.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:23:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527465I really don’t see the player’s union doing a lot a screaming here, as they would have in the past. There are now players on the field who are coming out and basically saying they are tired of it, and want the game cleaned up completely. Also, I really doubt the players and their union are thrilled that two clowns like Braun and A-Rod are the centerpieces of this. When Braun got off last time, and then basically rubbed it in everyone’s face, I believe that ended a lot of sympathy for PED users.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:22:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527464banpeds, you’re about as useful as a feces flavored lollipop.
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:12:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527452@rays – but again, nothing has happened to Braun, and we have no idea why MLB did not go down the road of actually suspending Cabrera for the web site. But they did consider it for quite some time. They are acting very consistantly
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Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:10:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=479534#comment-527448That’s the question MLB has to look in the mirror on and answer themselves. kind of my point, thus: ” if you’re so dead set in your self righteousness on the topic.”
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