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Rumors are flying now that the FTC is also filing to go after the affiliates/publishers that some folks claim COPEAC has offered in an effort to offset the suit filed against them, but were denied? I dunno, I hope that's not true, but what the FTC wants, the FTC gets. So we'll see...

I guess putting yourself up on that Brand Protection board wasn't such a smart idea after all, eh? :/

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Originally Posted by Karnul

Forget that attorney shit. Just do whatever the next few posters suggest, you can't lose.

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Originally Posted by greenleaves

Seriously, how some of you don't fall for your own landing pages is beyond me!

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Originally Posted by George Carlin

The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

Forget that attorney shit. Just do whatever the next few posters suggest, you can't lose.

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Originally Posted by greenleaves

Seriously, how some of you don't fall for your own landing pages is beyond me!

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Originally Posted by George Carlin

The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

A question here, is why acai, why not biz opp, penny auction, teeth, wrinkle or any of the other major niches. The FTC seems quite focused on diet first. I wonder if this is just the beginning and they`re going niche by niche or is this just a nice warning, of hey clean your shit up, before they start to fuck everyone else royally....

A question here, is why acai, why not biz opp, penny auction, teeth, wrinkle or any of the other major niches. The FTC seems quite focused on diet first. I wonder if this is just the beginning and they`re going niche by niche or is this just a nice warning, of hey clean your shit up, before they start to fuck everyone else royally....

It's pretty much whatever is getting the most complaints or whatever the FTC decides they want to go after next. This isn't the beginning, they have been doing this for years. They put out guidelines and rules, nobody takes notice, they hit some big cases then it gets quiet again and they start over.

A question here, is why acai, why not biz opp, penny auction, teeth, wrinkle or any of the other major niches. The FTC seems quite focused on diet first. I wonder if this is just the beginning and they`re going niche by niche or is this just a nice warning, of hey clean your shit up, before they start to fuck everyone else royally....

Why not tell the teacher she forgot to give the class homework...

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Originally Posted by Karnul

Forget that attorney shit. Just do whatever the next few posters suggest, you can't lose.

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Originally Posted by greenleaves

Seriously, how some of you don't fall for your own landing pages is beyond me!

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Originally Posted by George Carlin

The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

It's pretty much whatever is getting the most complaints or whatever the FTC decides they want to go after next. This isn't the beginning, they have been doing this for years. They put out guidelines and rules, nobody takes notice, they hit some big cases then it gets quiet again and they start over.

I can't give legal advice, and am not a lawyer /end disclaimer/

I'm just repeating what my lawyer said today, when we talked about all of this. To be honest, the message I got from him is this is becoming a more prevalent issue for the FTC right now. You're probably right in the fact that it'll set and example and quiet down, but how many examples. What stood out to him/me is that a few of the pubs named so far, are not HUGE pubs, they're mid level "average" publishers. Usually in the past when they set an example they go for the biggest guys to set a standard for the whole industry. I may be completely wrong, but that's just my take semi-informed take.

I'm just repeating what my lawyer said today, when we talked about all of this. To be honest, the message I got from him is this is becoming a more prevalent issue for the FTC right now. You're probably right in the fact that it'll set and example and quiet down, but how many examples. What stood out to him/me is that a few of the pubs named so far, are not HUGE pubs, they're mid level "average" publishers. Usually in the past when they set an example they go for the biggest guys to set a standard for the whole industry. I may be completely wrong, but that's just my take semi-informed take.

Maybe that is exactly the message they want to send. You don't need to be a "HUGE" pub, they will go after anyone. Seems like a more effective way to get your point across that's for sure.

I know I said it in the other thread but I'd like to see them go after the ad agencies like sonar, pulse and the rest that are responsible for 90% of the ads that get shown to consumers. Knocking some people down for this without going after the ad agencies approving these ads is not going to do anything but have other people with the same ads and pages take their place in the rotation. Hit the big ad agencies that approve these and that will cause them to get more serious with their ad approvals, drive bids back down, and we won't be having these problems anymore. The ad agencies are the ones responsible for what ads and pages get shown to consumers, they have ad approval teams already in place, if they start to think that they may get some blame on this they will quickly change their approval process and that's what the industry really needs right now. If the FTC wants those big settlement numbers and to actually make a difference then the ad agencies are a great place to start, not going to get that with these random average affiliate marketers.

Or maybe the FTC is figuring out the best way to prosecute, or settle, these cases by going after the small fish as test cases. Once they have found a template that they know the courts will accept and rule in their favor, they will get the big boys.

Who knows, maybe the FTC read an article on split testing and scaling here on WF...

Maybe that is exactly the message they want to send. You don't need to be a "HUGE" pub, they will go after anyone. Seems like a more effective way to get your point across that's for sure.

I know I said it in the other thread but I'd like to see them go after the ad agencies like sonar, pulse and the rest that are responsible for 90% of the ads that get shown to consumers. Knocking some people down for this without going after the ad agencies approving these ads is not going to do anything but have other people with the same ads and pages take their place in the rotation. Hit the big ad agencies that approve these and that will cause them to get more serious with their ad approvals, drive bids back down, and we won't be having these problems anymore. The ad agencies are the ones responsible for what ads and pages get shown to consumers, they have ad approval teams already in place, if they start to think that they may get some blame on this they will quickly change their approval process and that's what the industry really needs right now. If the FTC wants those big settlement numbers and to actually make a difference then the ad agencies are a great place to start, not going to get that with these random average affiliate marketers.

Agreed 100%. When you go through adsonar legal, they say this is ok to do, as long as you make X alternations to the page. I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like a liability to me. Great point.

@papajohn: If you read the ftc blogs regularly like I do (I'm cool I know), you'll notice that most of what they post is about cases they WON or initiatives they're going to take with broad strokes (like cyber crime prevention week or whatever event they're having). It's about consumer confidence that the agency is always doing their job and winning all the time. I don't really see them posting about an active case until its closed/definitively swinging their way.

Agreed 100%. When you go through adsonar legal, they say this is ok to do, as long as you make X alternations to the page. I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like a liability to me. Great point.

@papajohn: If you read the ftc blogs regularly like I do (I'm cool I know), you'll notice that most of what they post is about cases they WON or initiatives they're going to take with broad strokes (like cyber crime prevention week or whatever event they're having). It's about consumer confidence that the agency is always doing their job and winning all the time. I don't really see them posting about an active case until its closed/definitively swinging their way.

Even so, they usually post actions on the daily Actions page, or at least something on the "Cases" page would show up for this, but nothing. They did post a quaint little video about "free trials", though.

Methinks you're an imbecile. The FTC is calling it "Fake News Site" instead of "Farticle". Jackass.

Yeah... they are going after big and small affs, and networks. Not just in one specific location, all over the US. The reason it wasn't on the FTC.gov site yet is because its considered "sealed" still. But that's how things roll on the interwebz. Sealed or not sealed, once you upload it or send it out, we all get copies lickity splits fast y0.

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Originally Posted by Karnul

Forget that attorney shit. Just do whatever the next few posters suggest, you can't lose.

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Originally Posted by greenleaves

Seriously, how some of you don't fall for your own landing pages is beyond me!

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Originally Posted by George Carlin

The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

Forget that attorney shit. Just do whatever the next few posters suggest, you can't lose.

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Originally Posted by greenleaves

Seriously, how some of you don't fall for your own landing pages is beyond me!

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Originally Posted by George Carlin

The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

In this context, Defendant is commonly referred to as an "affiliate marketer."

it's shit like this that further fixates a negative connotation on the entirety of affiliate marketing. whether or not you give a shit how the public views what you do for a living, you can't deny the fact it gets annoying having to dodge, dip, duck and dive away from telling those outside of affiliate marketing what you do all to avoid their likely misconstrued ideas and unneeded opinions about your profession.

the road to riches is undoubtedly lined with a few sheists here and there, but if your business model in its entirety is a sheist, it seems entirely inevitable that something like this will happen eventually.

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18. Through the means described in Paragraphs 8 through 15 of this Complaint, Defendant has represented, directly or indirectly, expressly or by implication, that use of the Acai Berry Products, alone or in combination with the Companion Products, will result in rapid and substantial weight loss, including as much as twenty-five pounds in four weeks.

i don't have much to say about the above, other than the fact i always tend to lol at legalese like that which is bolded. how you go about defining something as concretely indirect or implicative kind of escapes me. but, that's best left for a discussion on semantics.

it's shit like this that further fixates a negative connotation on the entirety of affiliate marketing. whether or not you give a shit how the public views what you do for a living, you can't deny the fact it gets annoying having to dodge, dip, duck and dive away from telling those outside of affiliate marketing what you do all to avoid their likely misconstrued ideas and unneeded opinions about your profession.

the road to riches is undoubtedly lined with a few sheists here and there, but if your business model in its entirety is a sheist, it seems entirely inevitable that something like this will happen eventually.

i don't have much to say about the above, other than the fact i always tend to lol at legalese like that which is bolded. how you go about defining something as concretely indirect or implicative kind of escapes me. but, that's best left for a discussion on semantics.

Your 'stunning english' is an even bigger mess than this FTC shitstorm. Using big words doesn't make you a master wordsmith or 'cunning linguist' if you're talking gibberish, shithead.

Or maybe the FTC is figuring out the best way to prosecute, or settle, these cases by going after the small fish as test cases. Once they have found a template that they know the courts will accept and rule in their favor, they will get the big boys.

Who knows, maybe the FTC read an article on split testing and scaling here on WF...

Most FTC cases are settled outside of court. What you said is truly complete nonsense.

So where's the organization that goes after Wall Street for massive, financial system collapsing fraud that further consolidated huge amounts of wealth to just a few who blow more in a weekend than WF collectively makes in a year.