Sunday, November 29, 2015

David Gerrold's announcement that he will unfriend the majority of Americans who support Donald Trump for president is a clear example of why it makes no sense to attempt to be friends with SJWs or even be civil with them. Time and time and time again, I see someone explain that so-and-so SJW "is really a good guy" or that this-and-that SJW "is fine as long as we don't discuss politics".

But politics is all-consuming for the SJW, and when push comes to shove, the SJW will ALWAYS choose his politics over you because his politics are an intrinsic aspect of his personal identity. You might as reasonably expect him to cut off a body part in order to preserve the relationship once the inevitable conflict arrives. The SJW is not your friend. The SJW is incapable of being your friend.

So don't associate with SJWs. Don't cut them any slack at all. Once a friend, a family member, or an acquaintance reveals symptoms of SJW, you should quarantine them as ruthlessly as you would quarantine them if they had ebola or some other lethal and infectious disease.

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I'm about to head out of contact for a Baptism today. I was listening to this when I pulled up your page, Vox (yeah, my brother likes Fallout 4 and back when we used to live together I'd watch him play Falllout 3 and we'd shoot the ****).

My first thought was, "Who?" My second was, "Why should I care?"

This isn't a slight against you; it's a slight against Gerrod. I figured he's an SJW by your description and ran a quick Google search. Scif-fi writer...what is it with those people and A-list celebs thinking we give a damn about their political views? If I wanted that or to hear the news (John Melloncamp in the early 2000's said that was his job; no, it's to write songs Cougar!) I'd expect them to frickin be a politician or newscaster. I mean, they're like the fat kid that cries when he doesn't get that extra sleeve of Oreos or fifth piece of pie.

I know it's the SJW mentality that convinces them that people care. It just succeeds in pissing me off. Well, not on Facebook anymore, but maybe this is a job for the Vile Faceless Minions? Also, how about a boycott of his sorry *** (is his stuff published through Tor)? Have a good day!

you should quarantine them as ruthlessly as you would quarantine them if they had ebola or some other lethal and infectious disease.

I had to do this with my sister-in-law, which meant my brother (whom I dearly love) has become collateral damage. Her entire identify is founded upon SJW principles - namely, abortion / public schools / the evils of Christianity.

We were at our cabin last summer, and after her umpteenth attempt to insert her politics into the conversation (we were playing schmear and drinking beer with much cheer), I got up and went to bed. The next morning I shook her hand and stated that I was not going to subject my family to her insane ramblings and longer. That if she was coming to the cabin to alert me beforehand so I would make sure not to be there. Haven't spoken to her (or my brother) since, but this year's Christmas get together should be interesting.

Spiritual identity means we are not what we do or what people say about us. And we are not what we have. We are the beloved daughters and sons of God.Henri Nouwen

This needs to be repeated over and over until everybody finally gets it. The SJW is a SHALLOW person desperately searching for meaning outside of himself because within and of himself there is little of interest. Politics fills his empty void. He seeks to reform his neighbor because incapable of reforming himself. He is the hollow man.

Found his public page, sent him a message:"I'm a Ted Cruz guy myself (all the merits of Trump and more, without any of the considerable downside). But if it comes down to Trump vs. anyone that the Democrats will nominate, my vote will go to the Donald.

I'm letting you know because I've never been blocked by a has-been science fiction author before."

@ 8: Agree. I haven't read anything Gerrold wrote after his book on how to write TV scripts, which was really a book about "I was on the Star Trek set and met Leonard Nimoy and stuff!" If you were a scifi fan in the early 1970s and desperately missed the show after cancellation, you read his book.

I never got Harlan Ellison's mass appeal, either. Mind you, in those days, one could read literally everything published in scifi/fantasy without great effort. So if someone had actual credits, they could dine out on that to a degree. Perhaps a trip to Sizzler. But I think that Ellison was invited to so many cons because the con committee was hoping he would be a brat, for the entertainment value.

Looking at Gerrold's credits now...geez, he really hasn't done much since, has he? Yeah, a few writing credits, but you know the old joke about the Polish starlet, right?

"You might as reasonably expect him to cut off a body part in order to preserve the relationship once the inevitable conflict arrives. "

That's a good point. Especially considering that some of them have actually had body parts cut off in the furtherance of their political ID.

"So don't associate with SJWs. Don't cut them any slack at all. Once a friend, a family member, or an acquaintance reveals symptoms of SJW, you should quarantine them as ruthlessly as you would quarantine them if they had ebola or some other lethal and infectious disease."

Is there any evidence of rehabilitating and SJW? This made me remember Matthew 10:35:

For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law:

I guess that is the difference between an SJW and a plain old liberal. I've got an aunt who was the odd sheep liberal amongst the rest of the family who isn't. But she would never go on and on like that, she knew nobody agreed with her on politics.

He has a reputation for being an epic knob (which is, in itself, entertaining - simply being a dick is commonplace and boring but being a world class dick is rare and lulzy) but stuff like JEFFTY IS FIVE and A BOY AND HIS DOG showed the man could write.

A naked young man-no, only a boy-just a little too young and a little too pretty, came running out the door carrying his clothes in his hands. He looked terrified. He came flying, skidding, tripping down the stairs. He slipped and skidded the last few steps.Sawyer's eyes widened in surprise at the sight of the voluptuous boy, but let him pass. "That's not Murdock." he decided. Apparently, this establishment kept a wider variety of erotic talents available for the entertainment of its guests than he had previously assumed.

I've had good results lately with pushing back with very strong frame control where before I'd get angry or walk out. Some of them are getting the sense they've wandered far off of the track of whatever it was that made them SJWs/SJW-sympathetic in the first place and are looking for an opportunity to meaningfully repent.

See Jim Wagner above. He's still wrong, but he's wrong in a different way.

You have to throw it back in their face. I was called racist for pointing out the amount of black on black crime yet these intellectual superiors never read any article by Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell pointing the same thing.

I've also now started implying those with anti-gun views are on par with a rapist or pedophile. That seems to shut them up. :LOL:

VD, you'll be happy to know that about half my family supports Trump, and the rest are at least okay with him winning.

My aunt (mother's sister) and uncle especially. Said uncle is a real estate lawyer and a public defender, and my aunt is his secretary. And he basically has the unenviable task of dealing with the scum of the Earth. He likes to tell us his work horror stories when they meet us for dinner on a semi-regular basis.

And a lot of those horror stories aren't from his criminal defense work (he says that about 80% of the people they send him are absolutely, 100% guilty), they're from the real-estate work. People who "buy" a house, and then don't make a mortgage payment for 5 years while simultaneously taking out equity loans and not paying that back either, and then they get mad when the bank forecloses on the house (he's usually representing the banks in these cases). You can guess what kind of people the banks have to do this with.

*sigh*In the past I pretty much ignored the politics of folks I disagree with but it has now moved beyond the left/right paradigm. It is full on demonic possession and they will literally eat your children. It is amazing how the power shift of the culture war has changed so much in the just the past twenty years. It is an avalanche of filth, so many that I respected and enjoyed are just lifting the veil and showing the ugliness of their soul. Gerrold was so nice at Sasquan and then at the Hugo's...possessed. Even as wildly popular as rape rape is, I'm probably not going to purchase anything else he writes...just sad.

My first thought was "and he's supposed to be a good writer, when he can't even explain why he hates people and wants to other them for having the gall to like someone he doesn't? And he's supposedly smart, but he demonstrates no understanding of why someone doesn't disagree?"

I think the SJW is all about adopting a personal narrative based on feelz not facts. This narrative, being feelzy, is constantly changing as the SJW works to ingratiate itself (wouldn't want to offend an SJW with an inappropriate gender pronoun.... by doing so I also neuter them) with its community. The SJW will announce rules expecting others to adopt them, and adopt rules from other SJWs. As they are fictions, at some point, their rules will be irrational (SJWs hate religious fundies but welcome Syrian Sunnis to your neighborhood).

In the end, it is being against all that Christ, the apostles and prophets described as good and true.

Once I find out that someone has these qualities I naturally have an aversion to them. It's very hard for me to put aside side such a large character flaw. In all reality, they are working or at least a passive accomplice to people who are working to destroy your way of life or your children's future.

You know, as a kid you see The Trouble With Tribbles and then later see a book and then later you're like... how the %$7* did I end up here? I had to get tested for AIDS after reading The Man Who Folded Himself.

Won't submit to the modern Emasco-Man and his Mob? After executing every passive-aggressive, pussyish, backhanded method to injure or disenfranchise you, Emasco-Man will Unfriend you and Block you. Safely. From cushion-chair cyberspace.

@ HiyacThe author suggest "quarantining" ones mother, father, daughter, son or sibling if the exhibit any sign of caring about social justice.

Translation from SJW to english:

The author suggest "quarantining" ones mother, father, daughter, son or sibling if they are free speech hating stalinoids who gleefully mob persecute by means of economic strangulation anyone who disagrees with them for the purpose of gaining status, milking patreon and parasitizing off of productive employees by becoming diversity officers.

"But politics is all-consuming for the SJW, and when push comes to shove, the SJW will ALWAYS choose his politics over you because his politics are an intrinsic aspect of his personal identity."

Accurate insight. Not just an intrinsic part of his/her identity, but the core of personal identity. That's why they call their mob-tyranny Identity Politics.

Boomers were the first gen in history to be conditioned to believe that politics . . . Holy and Almighty Politics . . . was the answer to ALL problems and questions, practical and existential. And we just spent the past forty years proving how wrong these people (infesting both Left and Right) are.

The True Believer lefties that I grew up with all had one thing in common: they'd replaced God inside themselves with Politics. Or never had God in them to begin. They saw, and still see, the world and all its events as manifestations of Politics . . . and baby, once we get the right people into office, see, once we get OUR people into power, why then the whole world will . . . uh, well, nothing really changed. In fact, once the People's Choice's got into power, America went down the shithole immediately and noisily. While The People cheered their tremendous moral supremacy and their IRAs.

Never never trust a 'political person' and never trust any policy or 'solution' based on politics. The personal is NOT political, and anybody that says otherwise is a totalitarian disguised as a 'helper'.

Heh. Deliberately tweeted Dave just for the blockage.One assumes that the Ilk are already there. Because we do not need permission from Vox to cause mayhem. https://twitter.com/pukeko60/status/671050603787849729

It looks to me as if this Gerrold character is having trouble with SJW bubble maintenance. Those people supporting Trump are smearing that bubble, and he is not happy.

I've never seen so many hamster wheels smoking and burning out as over on the chase bank/ Tranned Parenthood story on BB. It's hilarious the lengths they are going to for their Narrative. Earlier I saw some progs on there agreeing that we need to do away with gun free zones. These SJWs will be munching on those progs pretty soon.

It is true that the SJW is a "rubicon mind". It has crossed the rubicon of health, and can never ever come back.

Fundamentally, I think the SJW was pushed there by an atrocious childhood where he/she was robbed of everything good that a normal childhood would have. Thus, eventually, after enough trauma, the mind "crosses the rubicon", where it is in a permanent state of revenge, wanting nothing but death and chaos, so as to take revenge on all life, in response to the life of which it was robbed.

It's true that the SJW only respects strength. Who among us can actually understand and feel some pity for the monsters these people have become, yet still stage a ruthless attack on them as they no doubt simply require by virtue of their mental state of permanent revenge on all that is good and just.

BTW, the Chtorr books are good, although the sexuality featured in them was, shall we say, somewhat off beat (which is putting it mildly). Over all, I found them to be rather Heinleinian and I rather liked them, despite the sexuality in them. I've not read any of his other stuff, however. Do bear in mind the Chtorr books were written nearly 30 years ago, and he appears to lack ether the desire or the self-discipline to finish the series. That alone tells me something about the man.

I'm no prude and I care not one iota about other people's sexual habits. But I am not a fan of sexuality in fiction. I think its superfluous and detracts from a good story. There are only two reasons to have sexuality in a story. One is because the writer is incapable of telling a good story without it, which says something about the ability of the writer. The other is because the writer is projecting his own psychological issues into the story. Either way, its a negative reflection on the writer.

The curious thing is that the SJW thing is not actually about politics. They don’t have an actual political ideology. If they were genuinely working towards bringing about the Glorious Socialist Revolution I could understand them and even respect them, even if I strongly disagreed with them. But they have no real interest in socialism. Most of them are comfortably middle-class (or even wealthy). They are for the most part incredibly privileged. The last thing they want is actual socialism.

The SJW thing is not a political ideology and it has nothing to do with politics. It’s about religion. They don’t want to replace capitalism with socialism. They want to replace Christianity with their new warm and cuddly feel-good religion. That’s why they’re so venomous towards Christianity - Christianity is their rival religion.

In fact SJWism is a kind of Christian heresy - it’s Kumbaya Christianity with all the actual religious content removed leaving only the fuzzy caring and sharing bits. That’s why Kumbaya Christians and SJWs get along so well - there’s really not much difference between them.

SJWs are religious zealots. They’re not political ideologues. They don’t even understand politics. They’re not interested in political change. They’re funded by billionaires. They’re looking for salvation.

The first time this thought came up years ago, I stopped and thought "do I have any leftist friends?" The answer was no. I realized that I had just not associated with them nor did I seek any to be a friend. I can't stand their particular brand of willful stupidity and wouldn't be able to handle listening to them yammer on about their pointless and asinine views. Why would I subject myself to that when there are so many better things to do? Even if they didn't discuss anything, if I knew they were leftists, I'd always know they were just plain wrong about everything, and they wouldn't be able to accept being so. I personally don't wish to hang out with types like that.

"...the majority of Americans who support Donald Trump for president..."

LOL

More like 25% of the 25% of Americans who identify as Republican, i.e., 6-8% of Americans overall. About the same percent that believe the moon landings were faked, and I suspect a lot of overlap in that venn diagram.

The SJW thing is not a political ideology and it has nothing to do with politics. It’s about religion.

Yes. It's what they mean by those COEXIST bumper stickers: a completely man-focused religion which they expect to replace all others after they've been stripped of their doctrines and anything else that makes them incompatible with it and each other. Since the focus will be on Man, their only devotions will be what we used to call the Corporal Works of Mercy: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc. (Those are good works, but they aren't the point of a God-focused religion.) Lots of social justice and liberation theology, since those are man-focused. Since they won't worship God, they'll worship Man, the state, women, minorities, and various ideologies. The single mother replaces the virgin martyr; Pinktober replaces Lent.

It seems like a Christian heresy because it partly is: there are many self-identified Christians who want to dumb down Christianity into the Religion Of Nice so it can fit into this new system.

It's true that the SJW only respects strength. Who among us can actually understand and feel some pity for the monsters these people have become, yet still stage a ruthless attack on them as they no doubt simply require by virtue of their mental state of permanent revenge on all that is good and just.---

If you think of it as either you survive, or they do, that makes it much easier to decide.

I've never "friended" Gerrold on Facebook anyways. I doubt most people who support Trump even know who he is.---

Another thing these idiots don't get. There are a lot of people who might like Trump, but are kind of suspicious of him. But then they see all the enemies he is gathering and that is the deciding factor in supporting Trump. I've heard this from probably 10 people now.

@68 Brian "...the majority of Americans who support Donald Trump for president..."

LOL

More like 25% of the 25% of Americans who identify as Republican, i.e., 6-8% of Americans overall. About the same percent that believe the moon landings were faked, and I suspect a lot of overlap in that venn diagram.---

I am not a Donald Trump fan. At all. When it comes to the strong, sober, sensible leader I'm looking for, he ain't it. But...if it is him or Hillary, the SCOTUS alone is why I will vote for him. There are others, but that is the primary.

David Gerrold is a good writer. And his publically expressed opinions can be sensible. But yes, in some others, he is the epitome intollerant SJW. I used to be FB friends with him. But he dumped me. Long before I took the conservative turn I am on now.

> ... you should quarantine them as ruthlessly as you would quarantine them if they had ebola or some other lethal and infectious disease.

Because they do. And they actively try to spread it.

And until they are forced to accept that they are a minority and that continuing the "there is no place in society for..." screed will result in there being no place in society for them, nothing will change.

> Or not. Witness Harlan Ellison.

Ellison had some writing ability. Not to my taste, but that's purely a YMMV thing.

I doubt most of them cared either. The past tense being the important detail in this case.

I notice the brave SJW is too cowardly to make this post on his Facebook author page, though (https://www.facebook.com/davidgerroldauthor/). Apparently he does have some faint inkling of just how unpopular his position is.

Actually, having been raised by two liberals of the "bleeding heart" variety, I don't think being a SJW is about the worship of secularism at all. I think it's ultimately about having permission to totally selfish.

My dad is a one-issue voter, mostly, and that is issue is abortion. He's a rabid supporter. But no matter how hard he tries to wrap up his opinions in woman-supporting sanctimony it's always obvious he's only supports the issue because he knocked-up a woman some time in the past and an abortion allowed him to walk away consequence free. I know this because he has as much told me so (he's actually my step-dad and has no biological kids of his own).

My parents are always the first ones to vote for higher taxes and the first to jump through every hoop to avoid paying for them (only those horrible, corrupt rich people are supposed to pay taxes). And the only reason my parents vote for higher taxes is because they can pat themselves on the back for being so virtuous and *caring* while not actually lifting a finger to help anyone. They love tax funded programs for welfare and every social program you can think of-- they get to signal their virtue by voting for all this garbage while doing everything to avoid funding them. They don't give a dime to charity either.

Now my parents are retired and after grifting as much money as they could out of family and friends they live in Thailand on their social security and disability.

They are not good people but being liberal means never having to say you're sorry or wrong about anything.