War Years wrote:Quazza and Bigs. I love it! Is this a new world movement creative wave of anti- American art, or just America parodying itself again?

Oh sh-t, I forgot, it's....9/11 again!

LOL!............man, the world doesnt need me and Quaz (although Quaz wasnt being as harsh as I was........so dont blame him) creating any kind of "new movement" in respect of the Anti-American sentiment................most of the world hates Ameirca and Americans already.

I dont hate America, or course, I regard some Americans as the finest people I have ever encountered.

I just find the "typical" American psyche rather hillarious and pathetic..........in as much as its totally obsessed with patting itself on the back, re-affirming how great they all are whilst flying in the face of the facts............and generally being a bullying, ignorant, pathetic as*hole about most aspects of life.

Like for instance, people moaning about the "Anti-American" thing...............well, isnt America the worst country in the world for dolling out hate and insults to other nations? (western society/supposed developed nations of course, ie: not the middle and far east)

Doesnt America parody itself, as you say, which is even more hillarious given that these losers see how pathetic they are being and yet they STILL carry on the behaviour.

Its the bully mentality, ie: we can do and say whatever we want to you...........but you cant say sh*t to us.

And I say f*ck that, f*ck it right in the arse.

Ps: Anyway, Im just having a laugh..............feel free to dish out some slants against English people, they will more than likely be true (like the ones against America are in here), and hence Ill accept and laugh with you at my silly country.

Thats the problem really and why people react to these kind of things............just get over yourself (not talking to anyone specific here) and accept that most countries are sh*t, all governments are lying muderers, every country has a checkered past...........and deal............f*ck, if you didnt do or werent directly responsible for any of the slants against your country, then why care?

But yet again, there in lies the issue with Americans............because deep down they KNOW they dont have history or culture or heritage, they know they have absolutely NOTHING to be proud of as a patriot...........so they compensate for that, over do it and force it all in everyone elses faces.

While I stand behind my earlier remarks, America is just a reflection of the world in general though. We have every face and race here. We have at least attempted to live up to some of the ideals that our country supposedly stands for, and have come through on some things. It's a beautiful and ugly melting pot. It would be impossible to not have hypocrisy in such a situation.
That's why it's so important for people to study history and get involved in policy. So we can make sure our direction is being shaped by intelligent informed citizens, not the loudest shouters with the most money.
Most world citizens would love most Americans. It's our governments policies that have shaped current world opinion. I could go on, but I have to work....

Well if we're actually going to bring this thread back around... to Andris.

no need to change the thread title, right? or move it to off topic for that matter...

8th ave, your best bet to get back on track is probably to start a new thread
on Andris. On behalf of me and other members of this board, I apologize for contributing to the complete derailment of your certainly worthy and legitimate thread topic....

Jackattack wrote:we have a manufactured culture because the legacy of our real history:genocide, slavery, racism, greed and imperialism is too difficult for anyone to actually admit/face. Sure we've had great Americans and have done great things as a country, but this slapping ourselves on the back for things we had nothing to do with is ridiculous. None of us were garroting Germans at the battle of Verdun. Most likely we were watching sports bloopers then going to the Wendy's drivethru... big contributors...

and with that, I'll move my opinion over to Off Topic....

Every country has its tainted or sour legacy, not just the U.S., Britain has been the big demon for the last 400 years or so.

I have pointed out many times that it's not the country, it's those controlling it, but anyway

Beast Mode wrote:"democracy is the worst form of government, besides all others that have been tried" - winston churchill

As for this quote, I disagree, socialism and fascism are worse, because less than 1% of the population control over 99% of the population. Democracy is the biggest deceiver, as 51% of the people can control 49% of the people, even on personal issues like taking recreational drugs. It is still better than the other two forms of government.

As for the U.S. being a place of freedom - Just keep your eyes shut and don't look at that military take over/police state that is every day taking stronger hold, like England is also.

The U.S. Constitution points, pretty much, at true freedom, where 99% of the people can't tell 1% of the people what to do, especially on personal matters