Trudeau is in China right now trying to set up a free trade agreementwith them. It is very difficult to set up a business in China because ofthe corruption. The best we can do is to out source work to companies inChina to produce the goods for Canadian manufacturers. That is why thereis a huge trade imbalance. They need our food products to feed such alarge population but they are using this as a negotiating tactic. Thatis taking the Canadian government for fools.Also, a very familiar problem has risen up with the detention ofCanadians by the Chinese government. This was the problem that theyfaced with Omar Khadr. If the Supreme Court heard Khadr's case theywould have ruled in Khadr's favor. The Supreme Court would have to rulethat the rights of Canadians are priority over foreign trade deals. Itis the duty of the Canadian government to protect the rights ofCanadians under the constitution while trade deals are not protected.That means that trade deals with countries that are holding Canadians intheir jails, especially third world countries and dictatorships, cannottorture them and they must provide them with a speedy and fair trial.Without the Supreme Court ruling we will be hearing more cases where thefederal government ignores the plight of Canadians in a foreign prisonin favor of a trade deal.That is an apology for future governments.

"When you're trying to negotiate a free trade agreement, especiallybetween Canada and China, if you cannot protect your own citizens rightnow... there are more cases that are just going to come up," Chang saidin an interview with CBC News.

The 24-year-old said the matter is urgent, since her father's health isdeclining. She said her father has two tumours on his liver.

"Justin Trudeau, I really hope this time when you go to China, I reallyhope you can bring my parents home for Christmas," Chang added.Case raised at highest levels

Government officials would not confirm whether Trudeau plans to bringthe Chang case up during high-level meetings with Chinese President XiJinping and Premier Li Keqiang.

But International Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne told CBCRadio's The House that Canadian officials raise the case "all the time."

"I made sure this was understood by our Chinese counterparts that thisis something that not only matters to me, but to the highest level ofthe Canadian government. I will continue to press for that," Champagnesaid.

While he would not say if the Chang and Lu case is a deal-breaker forentering free trade talks, Champagne said Canada is committed to findinga resolution.

"I would say, what Canadians expect of us is to raise consular caseswherever they occur," Champagne told The House.

Carleton University professor Stephanie Carvin sees the dispute as a redflag for Canadian officials.

"It is emblematic of the kinds of techniques that China might use inorder to retaliate against a ... decision that it didn't like," Carvinsaid in an interview with CBC News.

In June 2017, before the case went into a closed-door trial, China'sambassador to Canada told CTV News that the case shouldn't be"politicized" and should be allowed to unfold in court.

Kevin Garratt thanks both Harper and Trudeau teams for his return toCanada

Last year, shortly after Trudeau's first prime ministerial trip toChina, authorities there released another Canadian who had been held fortwo years.

Kevin Garratt had been arrested in 2014 on suspicion of stealing statesecrets and spying.

Garratt and his family adamantly denied any wrongdoing, and both theprevious Conservative government and the Liberal government advocated onGarratt's behalf at the highest levels.Push to ramp up trade talks

Despite these concerns, Ottawa is being pressured to deepen ties withBeijing, and quickly.

Canada's former ambassador to China, Guy Saint-Jacques, said conditionsare "ripe" to negotiate a trade deal, and predicts the complicated talkscould be completed in three years.

"If we don't go ahead, I think that China will feel, again, that we haveleft them at the altar, waiting," Saint-Jacques said in an interviewwith Radio-Canada.

Government sources tell CBC News that during the four rounds ofexploratory trade talks, Chinese officials made it abundantly clear theywant a free trade agreement with Canada.

Deal or no deal? Justin Trudeau heads to China with free tradedecision up in the air

Trudeau can always play Trump card on visit to China: Chris Hall

The sources said the Chinese are eager to access Canadian naturalresources, clean technologies, agriculture and e-commerce systems.

Canadian business leaders have called for talks to take place, in thehopes of one day selling goods and services to China's growing middleclass of about 600 million people.

"They will turn to others... we are not the only game in town," Saint-Jacques said.

Charest helped the former Conservative government launch free tradetalks with Europe, and has extensive business dealings in China.

"No one gets up in the morning and asks themselves 'why don't I do adeal with Canada today?' It doesn't happen that way. We are the onesthat have to go out there and hustle for it," Charest said in aninterview.

"We are 36 million people with a high standard of living. If we don'ttrade, we are not going to be able to maintain the lifestyle we havehere," he said.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.

We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.

THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that tradingwith the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economicdecision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada willprobably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce andChrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law,independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It'stheir insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent,by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and ourprovinces have put on the production of most of out products andcultivation of most of our foods.

Cites, please.

Post by b***@gmail.comWe pay our elected government representatives to safeguard ourCanadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want thoseconditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. Thatinvolves environmental standards, water and air and soilcontamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99%Chinese imports, as shown in the past.

Cites, please.

Post by b***@gmail.comTHOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements withChina. How they treat their own on their own land is their ownbusiness. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interestsfrom the Chinese in our own country.

Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)

Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)

Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and insteadfocus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually supporta single one of the claims you made.

Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenile exchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder your girlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flame all these years. (^o^)

Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and insteadfocus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually supporta single one of the claims you made.:-)

Still a lazy ass and still looking for more endless, juvenileexchanges on these groups, eh, Baker? No bloody wonder yourgirlfriend has chosen to remain more than 3,000 miles from her flameall these years. (^o^)

Since you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and insteadfocus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually supporta single one of the claims you made.:-)

Post by Alan BakerSince you've carefully chosen to snip out your own content and insteadfocus on a strawman, I think we all know that you can't actually support asingle one of the claims you made.

Karen's "fact": Benjamin Netanyahu threatened a "pre-emptive nuclear strikewhether the United States backs us or not".Actual fact: Karen made up this quote out of whole cloth. And her responseto being busted on this lie was "Oh well".---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

She (Karen Eileen Gordon/KKK/KKKaren) also claimed there was no LeluIsland in BC. Total fabrication.

She also claimed Jews were responsible for the majority of whitecollar crime. Typical anti-semitic lie. I have already kill filed her.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that tradingwith the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economicdecision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada willprobably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce andChrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law,independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It'stheir insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent,by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and ourprovinces have put on the production of most of out products andcultivation of most of our foods.

We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard ourCanadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want thoseconditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. Thatinvolves environmental standards, water and air and soilcontamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99%Chinese imports, as shown in the past.

THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements withChina. How they treat their own on their own land is their ownbusiness. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interestsfrom the Chinese in our own country.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.

EXACTLY!!!Products should not be allowed in that do not meet our manufacturingstandards.The point I was trying to make was that our government should not beentering into trade agreements with countries that have Canadians injail and are not treated fairly. If someone is guilty of an offense in aforeign country they are subject to the laws of that country but theyshould also be entitled to humane treatment. That would include a speedytrial, access to a lawyer, no torture and not to be imprisoned withoutcharge. Imprisoned Canadians should also not be denied access tocommunication with their family and counselor officials.The Canadian government represents all Canadians. The CanadianConstitution outlines the rights and freedoms our government must ensureto Canadians and that applies to Canadians abroad. The Constitution doesnot guarantee free trade.There are Canadians that are detained in countries like Saudi Arabia andmany Asian countries. We should not be putting trade deals ahead of thewell being of Canadians.Trudeau has demonstrated that we do not pay kidnapping ransoms. Weshould take the same hard line on Canadians imprisoned abroad.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

It's not their human rights record that should concern us. It's their insistence on that 'free trade' allowing them to circumvent, by-pass, & legally be exempt from the conditions our country and our provinces have put on the production of most of out products and cultivation of most of our foods.We pay our elected government representatives to safeguard our Canadian interests, and the Chinese (and Americans) want those conditions not to exist for THEIR businesses in Canada. That involves environmental standards, water and air and soil contamination - and wages paid to their employees, which will be 99% Chinese imports, as shown in the past.THOSE are the reasons we must not rush into any trade agreements with China.How they treat their own on their own land is their own business. We would have enough problems protecting OUR interests from the Chinese in our own country.

EXACTLY!!!Products should not be allowed in that do not meet our manufacturingstandards.The point I was trying to make was that our government should not beentering into trade agreements with countries that have Canadians injail and are not treated fairly. If someone is guilty of an offense in aforeign country they are subject to the laws of that country but theyshould also be entitled to humane treatment. That would include a speedytrial, access to a lawyer, no torture and not to be imprisoned withoutcharge. Imprisoned Canadians should also not be denied access tocommunication with their family and counselor officials.The Canadian government represents all Canadians. The CanadianConstitution outlines the rights and freedoms our government must ensureto Canadians and that applies to Canadians abroad. The Constitution doesnot guarantee free trade.There are Canadians that are detained in countries like Saudi Arabia andmany Asian countries. We should not be putting trade deals ahead of thewell being of Canadians.Trudeau has demonstrated that we do not pay kidnapping ransoms. Weshould take the same hard line on Canadians imprisoned abroad.---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.

I came across several news stories and video clips about exploding watermelons. You can find them. I'm buying NO fruit (or is it a veg) that have been injected. The farmers who were sold the magic hormone are also upset.

I came across several news stories and video clips about exploding watermelons. You can find them. I'm buying NO fruit (or is it a veg) that have been injected. The farmers who were sold the magic hormone are also upset.

Post by Cafe RacerI say NO TRADE WITH CHINA.I get sick when I see and hear Chrystia Freeland say that trading with the brutal communist kleptocracy is a 'sensible economic decision' for Canada.I hear they now have slaves in Libyan agriculture: Canada will probably go and buy their 'economically attractive' produce and Chrystia Freeland will get a prize for economics.NO TRADE WITH CHINA until they institute the rule of law, independent judiciary, trade unions, and a charter of rights.---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

Andrew Scheer of the Tories has already said they are against freetrade with China and I support that. A lot of my work $ comes fromunloading boxes from China but while I get $15 an hour the folksloading it in China a probably getting squat and they can't form aunion or protest legally. NO FREE TRADE WITH CHINA. FREE VOTE ON TIBETINDEPENDENCE.

Oh?> Like his famous boxing match?> Former "bouncer"?> Where - aday care center?> LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

You know what they say, Weaver . . . .

...that you having nothing of substance to offer?We already knew that.---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

Bacuase she always lies about who she is she assumes everyone elsedoes as well. I remember when M.I. was suppossed to be a policeofficer. Someone in one of the immigration groups threatened to sueher over her libel and she ran away never to return. KKK go away.

Oh?Like his famous boxing match?Former "bouncer"?Where - a day care center?LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

I despide the trust fund , elitist Turdeau and have never votedfederal Liberal. He fought a larger man who turned out to be a cocaineusing, woman hater in a charity boxing match and won handily. His Dadwas also athletic and they both run up huge deficits and in Jr's caselie about the size of them.

Oh?Like his famous boxing match?Former "bouncer"?Where - a day care center?LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!---This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.http://www.avg.com

I despide the trust fund , elitist Turdeau and have never votedfederal Liberal. He fought a larger man who turned out to be a cocaineusing, woman hater in a charity boxing match and won handily. His Dadwas also athletic and they both run up huge deficits and in Jr's caselie about the size of them.