More and more details are emerging regarding the circumstances surrounding tackle Jonathan Martin’s departure from the Dolphins. And the situation demonstrates how mean and unrelenting an NFL locker room can be.

According to Alex Marvez of FOX Sports, Martin’s exit came after “persistent bullying and teasing” from some of his teammates.

Per Marvez, Martin has taken a personal leave of absence to spend time with his family.

The situation came to a head this week, but Martin previously had “tried dealing with a slew of indignities that crossed into personal and family insults.” Marvez writes that the Dolphins knew that “cruel actions” of some teammates “went well beyond the customary hazing.”

The NFLPA reportedly is monitoring the situation, and the union has inquired about the treatment of Martin.

While inappropriate and unacceptable, it’s hardly uncommon. Last year, Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul threw cornerback Prince Amukamara into a cold tub, apparently because of the perception among veterans that Amukamara was soft.

Incidents like this make it hard to believe that the NFL locker room is ready to accept an openly gay teammate.

Yeah, I feel bad for Martin. How can you haze somebody who's that useful to the team? Let alone why haze him in general? I hope he comes back. He seems like a hard worker and I've never heard of any off the field issues. Hope his teammates grow up and apologize and pull down on the hazing.

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Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:26 pm

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There has to be more to the story. I heard on 620 that the team said no one sat next to him at lunch cause he was sick and he flipped out, the players are "swearing" they did nothing wrong. Like I said in another thread, if they knew he didn't like it, they should have stopped. This also should have been handled in house.

Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:55 pm

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There has to be more to the story. I heard on 620 that the team said no one sat next to him at lunch cause he was sick and he flipped out, the players are "swearing" they did nothing wrong. Like I said in another thread, if they knew he didn't like it, they should have stopped. This also should have been handled in house.

Every reporter, local and national, confirmed the original story. That's probably 620 wanting some press.

I hope Philbin and Turner are embarrassed.

Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:03 pm

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Coach Philbin and specifically Coach Turner should have nipped this in the bud. These were his OL teammates that were apparently doing the hazing, and I can see Richie Incognito doing some childish crap like this.

It not only makes the coaches look bad, but I do agree with the assessment that it speaks to a lack of leadership in the locker room.

It's a young team that needs leadership and it is sorely lacking right now.

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FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dolphins RT Jonathan Martin's (illness) absence is considered "indefinite. He'll be placed on the reserve/non-football illness list shortly. It's believed LG Richie Incognito -- one of the heads of the Dolphins' team leadership council -- was at the forefront of the "bullying" that led to Martin's mental meltdown. The Fins will move forward with Tyson Clabo at right tackle.

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports Dolphins RT Jonathan Martin's (illness) absence is considered "indefinite. He'll be placed on the reserve/non-football illness list shortly. It's believed LG Richie Incognito -- one of the heads of the Dolphins' team leadership council -- was at the forefront of the "bullying" that led to Martin's mental meltdown. The Fins will move forward with Tyson Clabo at right tackle.

I won't be surprised if Martin never plays another down for the Dolphins. I am not going to speculate on who is right or wrong here. Only that I think it will be very hard for him to come back into that locker room after abandoning the team and missing a game over this.

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Excellent draft pick.

Excellent locker room right now too .... ripe with all kinds of distractions.

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Earlier today, Richie Incognito heard back from Jonathan Martin after he’d reached out to him to see how he was doing: “How u doing buddy?"

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In middle of a conversation that lasted 19 texts, Martin said the following to Incognito: “Yeah, I’m good man. It’s insane bro but just know I don’t blame you guys at all it’s just the culture around football and the locker room got to me a little.”

The one thing about bullying is everyone partakes in bullying someone else. Whether it be direct or indirect. Subtle or not so subtle. However, everyone does it or endorses it.

Some do it as humor, some do it out of being mean.

However, the one thing is. We all do it.

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:47 am

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LIFE is an abusive environment. Deal with it.

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Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:14 am

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Everything has an excuse nowadays. Watching my kids play sports kicking a$$ and then getting benched so other kids get a chance to play and be fair. My kids are good cause we practice and I teach them about being the best and play with heart. Welcome to the new America where mediocrity, enabling, and excuse making is celebrated! yay

Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:49 am

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Makchell wrote:

Everything has an excuse nowadays. Watching my kids play sports kicking a$$ and then getting benched so other kids get a chance to play and be fair. My kids are good cause we practice and I teach them about being the best and play with heart. Welcome to the new America where mediocrity, enabling, and excuse making is celebrated! yay

I think all the kids should get a chance to play in a game. I think we had a minimum of 3 plays a game that a kid could play. Of course, you keep your best kids on the field. No matter what you do, parents won't be happy. We just ignored the whining parents.

I'm of the opinion that Martin has a weak mind. We should know more when this all comes out.

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How does Jonathan Martin return? Uncomfortably, that's how. All the offensive linemen said they wanted him back as soon as possible. But this is one strange story. He left because of bullying? That’s what happens in elementary school. A pro locker room isn’t for the sensitive what with the loud mouths and constant pranks. This will be interesting to see how it plays out from here.

Martin has been communicating with players. Assuming he's able to come back, I think his return will be a non-issue in the locker room.

From NFL.com..................

"Dolphins guard Richie Incognito told Darlington that he heard back from Martin on Friday after he'd reached out to him to see how Martin was doing.......

In the middle of a conversation that lasted 19 texts, Martin wrote the following to Incognito: "Yeah, I'm good man. It's insane bro, but just know I don't blame you guys at all. It's just the culture around football, and the locker room got to me a little.""

If he does come back, I'm sure the next opposing team he faces will have all sorts of the worst stuff imaginable ready for him. The abuse has just begun, now that he has drawn attention to himself.

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Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:35 pm

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See this story?

Case closed...lol.

Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:38 pm

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The Fans & the Media make more of this than the players do. Players have come back from far worse............Ricky Williams, Michael Vick, Riley Cooper, Pac Man Jones, Richie Icognito & so on.

Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:49 pm

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shularino wrote:

The Fans & the Media make more of this than the players do. Players have come back from far worse............Ricky Williams, Michael Vick, Riley Cooper, Pac Man Jones, Richie Icognito & so on.

Thats a good point. Perseverance is the answer. If Martin runs away from this it'll only be worse.

I'm not saying personal attacks are acceptable but this is a job where you have to prove yourself to survive, not just for yourself but for the men working beside you. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link & if he's viewed as a liability, then he needs to toughen up

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You know you're a grown man....not a kid. Cowboy up already.

Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:04 pm

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I guess Ill keep pushing mental health awareness. The average brain doesnt stop developing until age 25 and some even longer. factor in these guys play football, how dare you say 'youre a grown man cowboy up' like your so emotionaly mature.

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:42 pm

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I guess Ill keep pushing mental health awareness. The average brain doesnt stop developing until age 25 and some even longer. factor in these guys play football, how dare you say 'youre a grown man cowboy up' like your so emotionaly mature.

well we all know that Junkie isn't so emotionally mature. LOL. He's had some Jonathan martin moments here.

I was 115 lbs witha big mouth in High School I was in like 30 fights in Middle school... guess what by high school .. people learned to pick on someone else.....

Were raising a bunch of whimps anymore.. kids are going to fight... kids need to know when to stick up for themselves....

This is why kids never go outside anymore.. only play sports when there is a adult coach to make sure everything runs right... it's all BS..

News flash the world was just as scary when we were kids.. difference was we were not raised to be scared of everything....we were raised to face it.. head on...

Keep your meds...

This sissy byotch needs to be traded...

Ya I said it,,

Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:08 am

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Dolphins RT Jonathan Martin doesn't feel comfortable rejoining the team unless the situation changes drastically in the locker room.Martin left the team earlier this week after an incident in the team cafeteria. He's now seeking medical attention. The Dolphins will place him on the non-football illness list this week and it's unclear whether the team will pay Martin his remaining 2013 salary. ESPN reported Sunday morning that Martin fears retribution from LG Richie Incognito, who is reportedly the teammate that "bullied" Martin and caused him to leave the team. There's still plenty to this story that we don't know. It's going to be an interesting one to track.

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:37 am

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I think its very possible Jonathan Martin is catching hell in the locker room for being gay. I don't have a problem with him being gay if this is the root of the issue. I think this would explain Jonathan Martin's comment "It's just the culture around football, and the locker room got to me a little".

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Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:24 pm

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I think its very possible Jonathan Martin is catching hell in the locker room for being gay?

Why do you think Martin is gay?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:46 pm

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bobby0112 wrote:

I think its very possible Jonathan Martin is catching hell in the locker room for being gay?

Why do you think Martin is gay?

The wording of his comments about the culture of the locker room needing to change. And the way no one will come out and say what the issue is. It sounds like they have made his life a living hell for the last two years. It seems like they treat him like he has the plague. It sounds much deeper than rookie hazing.

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I think its very possible Jonathan Martin is catching hell in the locker room for being gay. I don't have a problem with him being gay if this is the root of the issue. I think this would explain Jonathan Martin's comment "It's just the culture around football, and the locker room got to me a little".

you could be right, there were rumors of a gay player for Miami.

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:01 pm

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Find another career Martin, this is every locker room.

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:41 pm

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you could be right, there were rumors of a gay player for Miami.

Not heard this one.

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:50 pm

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this is every locker room.

Doesn't make it right or acceptable.

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Manhattan wrote:

I guess Ill keep pushing mental health awareness. The average brain doesnt stop developing until age 25 and some even longer. factor in these guys play football, how dare you say 'youre a grown man cowboy up' like your so emotionaly mature.

well we all know that Junkie isn't so emotionally mature. LOL. He's had some Jonathan martin moments here.

Everybody gets pissed. But not everybody runs out to the shrinks couch and start blaming people for picking on you. So I guess we have to wait until Martin is 25 to grow up? If our young men are this emotionally fragile this country is in trouble.

Everybody gets pissed. But not everybody runs out to the shrinks couch and start blaming people for picking on you. So I guess we have to wait until Martin is 25 to grow up? If our young men are this emotionally fragile this country is in trouble.

100% agree. Our boys are 18yrs old fighting for us as well and most of them are mentally tough as nails.