Noam Chomsky Admits There’s No Evidence Al-Qaeda Carried Out 9/11

Renowned scholar Noam Chomsky says US invasion of Afghanistan was illegal since to date there is no evidence that al-Qaeda has carried out the 9/11 attacks.

“The explicit and declared motive of the [Afghanistan] war was to compel the Taliban to turn over to the United States, the people who they accused of having been involved in World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist acts. The Taliban…they requested evidence…and the Bush administration refused to provide any,” the 81-year-old senior academic made the remarks on Press TV’s program A Simple Question.

“We later discovered one of the reasons why they did not bring evidence: they did not have any.”

The political analyst also said that nonexistence of such evidence was confirmed by FBI eight months later.

“The head of FBI, after the most intense international investigation in history, informed the press that the FBI believed that the plot may have been hatched in Afghanistan, but was probably implemented in the United Arab Emirates and Germany.”

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Its surprising how many people haven’t even studied the 9/11 Commissions own reports…which, if portions of it can be considered basic facts without embellishment, really strips away the layers of mystery…and makes what Noam Chomsky is saying fairly clear. The relationship between various groups that stand accused of involvement in 9/11 is tenuous at best…and it only gets crazier as you move away from Afghanistan and toward Iraq…which had nothing to do with 9/11.Assuming, generously, that the basic premise of 9/11 is accurate, we would have been better off making war on Saudi financiers and UAE and Yemeni cliques of power brokers…not going after the Taliban…which was in general only guilty of being run by dicks…much like Iraq. Pakistan had far more links to funding and aiding the terrorists in question…and Saudi’s were hip deep in it…but we left them out of the mix.In essence, our choices only made sense if the original plan was to land and form a staging area that would allow eventual regime change in Iraq…and revenge against terrorism had nothing to do with our choices. Now…go back through Tenet, Rumsfeld and Cheneys old playbook of nifty ideas, and what where they crying out for? Exactly the above…long before 9/11 was on the radar.So old Noam isn’t taking any big risks or exposing any new facts…he’s stating the fucking obvious…and is probably numbly horrified by the sheer volume of Americans that don’t know and don’t care.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Its surprising how many people haven’t even studied the 9/11 Commissions own reports…which, if portions of it can be considered basic facts without embellishment, really strips away the layers of mystery…and makes what Noam Chomsky is saying fairly clear. The relationship between various groups that stand accused of involvement in 9/11 is tenuous at best…and it only gets crazier as you move away from Afghanistan and toward Iraq…which had nothing to do with 9/11.Assuming, generously, that the basic premise of 9/11 is accurate, we would have been better off making war on Saudi financiers and UAE and Yemeni cliques of power brokers…not going after the Taliban…which was in general only guilty of being run by dicks…much like Iraq. Pakistan had far more links to funding and aiding the terrorists in question…and Saudi’s were hip deep in it…but we left them out of the mix.In essence, our choices only made sense if the original plan was to land and form a staging area that would allow eventual regime change in Iraq…and revenge against terrorism had nothing to do with our choices. Now…go back through Tenet, Rumsfeld and Cheneys old playbook of nifty ideas, and what where they crying out for? Exactly the above…long before 9/11 was on the radar.So old Noam isn’t taking any big risks or exposing any new facts…he’s stating the fucking obvious…and is probably numbly horrified by the sheer volume of Americans that don’t know and don’t care.

Eddy

Due to the internet it’s now an open secret all over the world that 9/11 was not done my Muslims at all, and that it was done by Israelis working hand in hand with Americans. Let’s see how many more years it takes Noam (now 81) to admit that. Maybe by the time he’s 91 ?

Eddy

Due to the internet it’s now an open secret all over the world that 9/11 was not done my Muslims at all, and that it was done by Israelis working hand in hand with Americans. Let’s see how many more years it takes Noam (now 81) to admit that. Maybe by the time he’s 91 ?

http://deliverators.typepad.com Andrew Dobbs

The fact that al Qaeda has claimed responsibility and never changed that story, never denied responsibility is not sufficient evidence that they were responsible?

http://deliverators.typepad.com Andrew Dobbs

The fact that al Qaeda has claimed responsibility and never changed that story, never denied responsibility is not sufficient evidence that they were responsible?

Eveiller

Where and when has al qaeda claimed responsiblity for anything? Is there an al qaeda news channel?

“Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.

The militant Islamic group decided “we should destroy towers in America” because “we are a free people… and we want to regain the freedom of our nation,” said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.”

“Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush’s claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don’t strike for example – Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don’t possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 – may Allah have mercy on them.

(…)

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

(…)

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

(…)

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

(…)

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.”

And so on, and so on in that document. Before you say that it was all a plant by the Bush Administration, know that according to the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia–http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/30/1099028265955.html–the State Department tried to block the video from being aired. Here is the Wikipedia article on the tape: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video

“”I would like to touch on one important point in this address. The actions by these young men who destroyed the United States and launched the storm of planes against it have done a good deed.

“They transferred the battle into the US heartland. Let the United States know that with God’s permission, the battle will continue to be waged on its territory until it leaves our lands, stops its support for the Jews, and lifts the unjust embargo on the Iraqi people who have lost more than one million children.

“The Americans should know that the storm of plane attacks will not abate, with God’s permission. There are thousands of the Islamic nation’s youths who are eager to die just as the Americans are eager to live.”

6) The video that the Loose Change crowd loves to expose as a hoax is actually quite legitimate. It is less reliable in general than the above statements, which were generally released to Arab media or Islamist websites, as the December 2001 video was discovered by US forces in Afghanistan. The usual arguments against it (it doesn’t look like UBL, he uses his right hand, etc) are debunking here: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html

The debunking includes pictures, so either scroll a little more than halfway down, or search the page for “Oh, that’s right. The Bin Laden confession tape.”

The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers — Allah have mercy upon them — with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be with them on that mission.

8) Al Qaeda usually takes time to claim responsibility for its attacks–this was the case in 1998 when they blew up 3 US Embassies in Africa. It was at this time that UBL was put on the Ten Most Wanted List, and they simply have not changed the poster in its major details since this date; this is why it does not mention 9/11 on his wanted poster. But there have been a minimum of 5 public claims of responsibility by Al Qaeda for the 9/11 attacks, documented here.

I would also recommend the book “The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11” by Lawrence Wright. Wright actually undertook extensive travel, research and conducted many interviews to develop an independent historical look at the events of 9/11, as opposed to surfing the internet and speculating on these things as the Truth crowd has generally done.

All of this being said, I don’t think that invading Afghanistan was necessarily justified, and that it seems like it would have made as much sense to go to war with Pakistan (particularly since Afghanistan was at the time a client state of Pakistan) or some other country. Nonetheless, these confessions of responsibility on the part of Al Qaeda are in fact compelling pieces of evidence that they are in fact responsible.

Nano_Thermite_911

Let’s not split hairs.

Here is what we know for sure.

1. Nano Thermite (military grade nano exposive technology ) conclusively found in the dust.
2. Building 7, not struck by a plane and collapsed into it’s own footprint, at freefall velocities,through the path of greatest resistance.
3. 6 0f 10 9/11 c(O)mmissioners say the investigation was compromised and that we need a new investigation.

I think that overrides the CIA created Al Quaidas claiming responsibility. (regardless of what network it was broadcast on)

If you don’t already know this please visit.
ae911truth.org (Watch Blueprint for Truth)
buildingwhat.org (This is being broadcast in NY right now!)

Andrew how do you explain 1-3 that I have listed here if you don’t mind my asking?

-Nano (The Nano Thermitic Pink Elephant)

myth_slayer

While I am not contradicting nor negating any of your appropriate and pertinent remarks, it is far simpler to look into the backgrounds of those passengers aboard those four airliners that day:

Three unique groups (1-Developers of remote piloting hardware/software, 2-designers of original counterterrorist simulation remarkably similar to 9/11 events, and 3-some of those involved with investigation of Flight 800), plus two women who may have either been personal problems to their lover and husband to be rid of, or knew something, and a physicist involved with the Naval Surface Weapons Center’s Directed Energy Section.

Investigation into the backgrounds of those unwitting operational support personal is the simplest forensic investigation methodology.

Next, we follow the money…..

Tuna Ghost

1. Nano-thermite was not “found in the dust”. Particles of something that could have come from a thermite-like material, or just as likely from nothing out of the ordinary at all, were found. Nano-thermite is a theoretical substance. Yes, the military gets all the good stuff before the market does, but do you really want to base your argument on something that you can’t prove exists?

2. Building 7 did not fall at freefall velocities, nor did it fall through the path of greatest resistance. The “oddities” touted by conspiracy theorists as evidence regarding WTC 7’s “demolition” have been explained. Here is a good example:

“Thermite is not an explosive; instead it operates by exposing a very small area of metal to extremely high temperatures.”

Thermite is not an explosive, it is an incendiary material. It is not sufficient to bring a building down. Remember that the primary source for this claim is Dr. Stephen E. Jones, whose career before the 9/11 Denial claims consisted of attempting to prove the Book of Mormon’s historical validity. The guy is an expert in lending his paper-thin credence to nonsensical ideologies. All peer-reviewed examinations of his study, which was published in a pseudoscientific journal established by 9/11 Deniers, have indicated that his findings are wrong. ALL independent looks have found him to be wrong.

3) This is really important: the government has in fact lied and hidden important information regarding the attacks. The Commission was in fact problematic. But this does not prove, in any way, that the government played any direct role in the attacks. The conspiracist rejoinder “Well if you aren’t guilty, you have nothing to hide,” is a brilliant echo of the central logic of all authoritarians. The government lies and keeps secrets because that is what they do–they seek to aggrandize all power in a society unto themselves, and secrets–meaningful disparities in information access–are significant sources of power. Proving that somebody is lying is not proof that they are guilty of anything–you must have corroborating evidence, and everything the 9/11 Denial groups bring out is either spurious, mistaken or irrelevant to this point.

So what is the government hiding? I suspect that they did not want a closer look at Pakistani involvement, which should have been obvious due to the fact that Afghanistan was a known client state of theirs at the time of the attacks. Pakistan is a close US ally in name and budget considerations, and we can’t very well invade a nuclear state. The people were bloodthirsty, and I suspect that the Administration cut a deal with the Pakistani government whereby they would let us take over their client state in return for us letting at least some of their intelligence operatives get out (the escape flights reported by Sy Hersh here: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT), and continued military and economic support for the regime. It was not a case of the Bush Administration, or the Jews or the Zionists or Mossad or whoever being responsible and the Administration wanted to cover this up, so much as them being stunned, angry, knowing that they have to respond and realizing that they cannot militarily or politically afford to go after the culpable party. They had to cut a deal with them, something that we are still paying for and something they certainly did not want much scrutiny over.

All this being said, this is just speculation on my part–informed speculation, but speculation nonetheless. You will never hear me say on these sorts of flights of fancy that “the case is closed” or that it is “an open secret” or any other level of certainty about something that I cannot, by definition, gain any meaningful certainty about. I can be certain of, or at least have a high level of confidence in the fact that Al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that the buildings were brought down by an improvised missile attack and not controlled demolition. Part of the reason for this is that there have been at least five investigations–every time you call for a new one, I wonder why none of the existing investigations were insufficient–the Joint Intelligence Committee, FEMA, the 9/11 Commission, NYPD and the NIST. The fact is just like Tuna Ghost said–you yell “conspiracy” when they don’t agree with your preconceived notions of what happened. You challenge any contradictory evidence as a CIA hoax or a Zionist fabrication, meaning that there is no possible grounds by which you could be disproven or dissuaded. Your ideas are nonfalsifiable, that is to say meaningless, that is to say wrong.

One last suggestion: watch Loose Change again, but this time, watch this version–http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&ei=zjNySe-6Bouk-wGi06TkCw&q=Screw+Loose+Change+Movie&hl=en#

Finding truth requires challenging all narratives, most significantly the ones that you believe in the most. Good luck!

Tuna Ghost

Holy crap, I didn’t know that about Jones. Great find, thanks for sharing.

I also co-sign your third point, about the gov’t not wanting to take as close a look at the culprits and their funding with the entire country watching.

Tuna Ghost

Also, it’s very telling that you dismiss a well researched post, complete with cited sources (rare when dealing with this subject on Disinfo), detailing Al Queda’s admission to 9/11 with “let’s not split hairs”. Really? That’s how you handle that? And then you follow with “here’s what we know for sure”, and list spurious claims. Things like this are why you’re not being taken seriously.

The CIA makes those claims on their behalf. It makes perfect sense since al qaeda is a creation of the CIA.

Reykool

YOU MUST BE IGNORANT,OR BLIND (NO OFFENSE) ONLY OUR CONTROLLED MEDIA SAID SO, NOBODY ELSE (ANY BODY CAN CALL FOX NEWS AND CLAIM THEY ARE AL QAIDA)
WHERE IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION ? THEY JUST REPEAT LIKE PARROTS THE AL QUAIDA THEORY AND YOU ACCEPT IT AS A FACT BUT OUR MEDIA NEVER SHOWED THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OR DOCUMENTS ( THE CLAIMS MOST LIKELY COME FROM DEFENSE CONTRACTORS WHO MAKE BILLIONS OUT OF THE “PHONY WAR ON TERROR”.
NOW IF YOU WERE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK YOU WOULD FIND OUT THE FACTS: No1 CHECK THE FBI WEBSITE http://www.fbi.gov THEN CLICK ON THE “MOST WANTED TERRORISTS” SECTION, THEN CLICK ON USAMA BIN LADEN : ON HIS FBI FILE THERE IS NO MENTION OF 9/11 ( THEY HAVE NO SERIOUS EVIDENCE EXCEPT FOR A “PHONY” VIDEO PROVIDED BY A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR : INTEL CENTER OWNED BY A MOSSAD OPERATIVE NAMED RITA KATZ)
I HAVE ALSO A COPY OF A FBIS DOCUMENT WHICH WAS DECLASSIFIED
2 YEARS AGO The FBIS (Foreign Broadcasting International Service which is part of the CIA, just Google for more info) Page 178 shows that a communication with Bin Laden was intercepted and recorded by our Spy agency you can read : ” For Official Use Only” (not to be made available to the General public) Bin Laden Stated the Following:
HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS AND THAT THERE WAS A GREAT POSSIBILITY OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF U.S INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHICH NEED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF FUNDS EVERY YEAR , HE SAID THERE IS A GOVERNMENT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES ….
Andrew, obviously did not read ” AL QAIDA, THE DATABASE by the Intelligence Officer
Pierre Henry Bunel .(Can be found on Google)
You have to be politically naive to believe the “official version” of 9/11 Even members of the commission admit today that it was a white Wash…I personally know somebody who testified to the commission and was taken in “close session” because of what he said….his testimony is classified and not printed on the Final Report…

justagirl

soooooo… you’re asian?

HONU

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?! TURN THE VOLUME DOWN REYKOOL! AHHHHHH!

McGannahan Skyjellyfetti

If you can’t believe an unnamed anonymous government spokesperson, then who can you believe?

(just kiddin’)

Honu

Can’t speak to Al Qaeda’s position but there’s plenty of evidence that contradicts the official story. The real sad thing is that you only need to scratch a little beneath the surface to see a whole host of evidence about what happened that day that would put the official story into question. Of course many people don’t want to go there for whatever reason. Some daddy issues about trust. If you look at the evidence with sober scientific scrutiny, I believe you would have a hard time denying its relevance.

Eveiller

Where and when has al qaeda claimed responsiblity for anything? Is there an al qaeda news channel?

Reykool

YOU MUST BE IGNORANT,OR BLIND (NO OFFENSE) ONLY OUR CONTROLLED MEDIA SAID SO, NOBODY ELSE (ANY BODY CAN CALL FOX NEWS AND CLAIM THEY ARE AL QAIDA)
WHERE IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION ? THEY JUST REPEAT LIKE PARROTS THE AL QUAIDA THEORY AND YOU ACCEPT IT AS A FACT BUT OUR MEDIA NEVER SHOWED THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OR DOCUMENTS ( THE CLAIMS MOST LIKELY COME FROM DEFENSE CONTRACTORS WHO MAKE BILLIONS OUT OF THE “PHONY WAR ON TERROR”.
NOW IF YOU WERE DOING YOUR HOMEWORK YOU WOULD FIND OUT THE FACTS: No1 CHECK THE FBI WEBSITE http://www.fbi.gov THEN CLICK ON THE “MOST WANTED TERRORISTS” SECTION, THEN CLICK ON USAMA BIN LADEN : ON HIS FBI FILE THERE IS NO MENTION OF 9/11 ( THEY HAVE NO SERIOUS EVIDENCE EXCEPT FOR A “PHONY” VIDEO PROVIDED BY A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR : INTEL CENTER OWNED BY A MOSSAD OPERATIVE NAMED RITA KATZ)
I HAVE ALSO A COPY OF A FBIS DOCUMENT WHICH WAS DECLASSIFIED
2 YEARS AGO The FBIS (Foreign Broadcasting International Service which is part of the CIA, just Google for more info) Page 178 shows that a communication with Bin Laden was intercepted and recorded by our Spy agency you can read : ” For Official Use Only” (not to be made available to the General public) Bin Laden Stated the Following:
HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS AND THAT THERE WAS A GREAT POSSIBILITY OF THE INVOLVEMENT OF U.S INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHICH NEED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF FUNDS EVERY YEAR , HE SAID THERE IS A GOVERNMENT WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES ….
Andrew, obviously did not read ” AL QAIDA, THE DATABASE by the Intelligence Officer
Pierre Henry Bunel .(Can be found on Google)
You have to be politically naive to believe the “official version” of 9/11 Even members of the commission admit today that it was a white Wash…I personally know somebody who testified to the commission and was taken in “close session” because of what he said….his testimony is classified and not printed on the Final Report…

justagirl

soooooo… you’re asian?

HONU

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?! TURN THE VOLUME DOWN REYKOOL! AHHHHHH!

Honu

Can’t speak to Al Qaeda’s position but there’s plenty of evidence that contradicts the official story. The real sad thing is that you only need to scratch a little beneath the surface to see a whole host of evidence about what happened that day that would put the official story into question. Of course many people don’t want to go there for whatever reason. Some daddy issues about trust. If you look at the evidence with sober scientific scrutiny, I believe you would have a hard time denying its relevance.

“Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.

The militant Islamic group decided “we should destroy towers in America” because “we are a free people… and we want to regain the freedom of our nation,” said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.”

“Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush’s claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don’t strike for example – Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don’t possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 – may Allah have mercy on them.

(…)

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

(…)

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

(…)

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

(…)

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.”

And so on, and so on in that document. Before you say that it was all a plant by the Bush Administration, know that according to the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia–http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/30/1099028265955.html–the State Department tried to block the video from being aired. Here is the Wikipedia article on the tape: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video

“”I would like to touch on one important point in this address. The actions by these young men who destroyed the United States and launched the storm of planes against it have done a good deed.

“They transferred the battle into the US heartland. Let the United States know that with God’s permission, the battle will continue to be waged on its territory until it leaves our lands, stops its support for the Jews, and lifts the unjust embargo on the Iraqi people who have lost more than one million children.

“The Americans should know that the storm of plane attacks will not abate, with God’s permission. There are thousands of the Islamic nation’s youths who are eager to die just as the Americans are eager to live.”

6) The video that the Loose Change crowd loves to expose as a hoax is actually quite legitimate. It is less reliable in general than the above statements, which were generally released to Arab media or Islamist websites, as the December 2001 video was discovered by US forces in Afghanistan. The usual arguments against it (it doesn’t look like UBL, he uses his right hand, etc) are debunking here: http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg5.html

The debunking includes pictures, so either scroll a little more than halfway down, or search the page for “Oh, that’s right. The Bin Laden confession tape.”

The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers — Allah have mercy upon them — with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be with them on that mission.

8) Al Qaeda usually takes time to claim responsibility for its attacks–this was the case in 1998 when they blew up 3 US Embassies in Africa. It was at this time that UBL was put on the Ten Most Wanted List, and they simply have not changed the poster in its major details since this date; this is why it does not mention 9/11 on his wanted poster. But there have been a minimum of 5 public claims of responsibility by Al Qaeda for the 9/11 attacks, documented here.

I would also recommend the book “The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11” by Lawrence Wright. Wright actually undertook extensive travel, research and conducted many interviews to develop an independent historical look at the events of 9/11, as opposed to surfing the internet and speculating on these things as the Truth crowd has generally done.

All of this being said, I don’t think that invading Afghanistan was necessarily justified, and that it seems like it would have made as much sense to go to war with Pakistan (particularly since Afghanistan was at the time a client state of Pakistan) or some other country. Nonetheless, these confessions of responsibility on the part of Al Qaeda are in fact compelling pieces of evidence that they are in fact responsible.

Nano_Thermite_911

Noam like Amy Goodman is mum on the forensic science of 9/11 and the moral requirement of seeking a new investigation giving this conclusive evidence of conspiracy. I’m happy to hear that the Colorado Democratic Party has asked for a new independent investigation. Also former Alaskan Senator Mike Gravel still has called for a new independent investigation as well.

Other good news is the Buildingwhat.org campaign running in New York this week. Anybody from NY see that?

It’s a good time to be a truther
To all my fellow Truthers out there! Thank you and Keep Up The Good Work!!

1. Nano Thermite (military grade nano exposive technology ) conclusively found in the dust.
2. Building 7, not struck by a plane and collapsed into it’s own footprint, at freefall velocities,through the path of greatest resistance.
3. 6 0f 10 9/11 c(O)mmissioners say the investigation was compromised and that we need a new investigation.

I think that overrides the CIA created Al Quaidas claiming responsibility. (regardless of what network it was broadcast on)

If you don’t already know this please visit.
ae911truth.org (Watch Blueprint for Truth)
buildingwhat.org (This is being broadcast in NY right now!)

Andrew how do you explain 1-3 that I have listed here if you don’t mind my asking?

-Nano (The Nano Thermitic Pink Elephant)

Nano_Thermite_911

Noam like Amy Goodman is mum on the forensic science of 9/11 and the moral requirement of seeking a new investigation giving this conclusive evidence of conspiracy. I’m happy to hear that the Colorado Democratic Party has asked for a new independent investigation. Also former Alaskan Senator Mike Gravel still has called for a new independent investigation as well.

Other good news is the Buildingwhat.org campaign running in New York this week. Anybody from NY see that?

It’s a good time to be a truther
To all my fellow Truthers out there! Thank you and Keep Up The Good Work!!

Chomsky is neither saying nor “admitting there’s no evidence Al-Qaeda carried out 9/11.” He is saying that AT THE TIME the US attacked Afghanistan, the US didn’t have hard evidence. As some of you may know, bin Laden had already publicly declared war years before 9/11 and 3 weeks before 9/11, bin Laden warned that he and his followers would attack because of US support of Israel as a Reuters newswire reported on the day of the attacks: (Reuters) Sep 11, 11:19 AM ET Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday.” After the attacks, more evidence has come out. For example, “forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.”

http://twitter.com/RepPress Representative Press

Chomsky is neither saying nor “admitting there’s no evidence Al-Qaeda carried out 9/11.” He is saying that AT THE TIME the US attacked Afghanistan, the US didn’t have hard evidence. As some of you may know, bin Laden had already publicly declared war years before 9/11 and 3 weeks before 9/11, bin Laden warned that he and his followers would attack because of US support of Israel as a Reuters newswire reported on the day of the attacks: (Reuters) Sep 11, 11:19 AM ET Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday.” After the attacks, more evidence has come out. For example, “forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.”

RepPress

Chomsky is neither saying nor “admitting there’s no evidence Al-Qaeda carried out 9/11.” He is saying that AT THE TIME the US attacked Afghanistan, the US didn’t have hard evidence. As some of you may know, bin Laden had already publicly declared war years before 9/11 and 3 weeks before 9/11, bin Laden warned that he and his followers would attack because of US support of Israel as a Reuters newswire reported on the day of the attacks: (Reuters) Sep 11, 11:19 AM ET Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday.” After the attacks, more evidence has come out. For example, “forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.”

Anonymous

The title conflicts with what Chomsky actually said. The title claims Chomsky said there’s now proof that Al Qaeda did it.But Chomsky’s quote says there’s no proof the Taliban did it.These two groups are not the same. They’re both lunatic shitheads, but the Taliban is native to Afghanistan, and wants to have Sharia law and no non-muslim foreigners on their soil. Their concern is Afghanistan (or more accurately, their silly little tribes). The phrase “all politics is local” applies double in Afghanistan.Al Qaeda, by contrast wants to create a giant Muslim Caliphate that spans the entire Middle East, and then convert/or kill the planet.Al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks, the Taliban gave them safe haven to do the planning, but the people who actually did this thing are not Afghani.These are commonly understood facts. Chomsky has said exactly nothing astonishing here.If he’d maintained that the U.S. shot down Flight 93, or pointed out that multiple witnesses heard explosions in the basement levels of the WTC BEFORE the planes hit, or pointed out the altimeter data from Flight 77 and how that data shows that at the moment of “impact” the plane was 400 feet higher than the building itself, and then mentioned that the wingspan of a Globalhawk missile has a wide enough span to have knocked out the light poles in front of the Pentagon, THEN he would have said something that directly contradicts the Government’s own conspiracy theory.

5by5

The title conflicts with what Chomsky actually said. The title claims Chomsky said there’s now proof that Al Qaeda did it.But Chomsky’s quote says there’s no proof the Taliban did it.These two groups are not the same. They’re both lunatic shitheads, but the Taliban is native to Afghanistan, and wants to have Sharia law and no non-muslim foreigners on their soil. Their concern is Afghanistan (or more accurately, their silly little tribes). The phrase “all politics is local” applies double in Afghanistan.Al Qaeda, by contrast wants to create a giant Muslim Caliphate that spans the entire Middle East, and then convert/or kill the planet.Al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks, the Taliban gave them safe haven to do the planning, but the people who actually did this thing are not Afghani.These are commonly understood facts. Chomsky has said exactly nothing astonishing here.If he’d maintained that the U.S. shot down Flight 93, or pointed out that multiple witnesses heard explosions in the basement levels of the WTC BEFORE the planes hit, or pointed out the altimeter data from Flight 77 and how that data shows that at the moment of “impact” the plane was 400 feet higher than the building itself, and then mentioned that the wingspan of a Globalhawk missile has a wide enough span to have knocked out the light poles in front of the Pentagon, THEN he would have said something that directly contradicts the Government’s own conspiracy theory.

reubenavery

Or put another way, Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA and the Taliban of the Pakistani ISI

If you can’t believe an unnamed anonymous government spokesperson, then who can you believe?

(just kiddin’)

Anonymous

The only thing that can be said for sure is that 9/11 “inside job” or not, is that the official story is full of holes and omissions. What exactly happened and who or what is responsible is so damn confused (purposely).
I could venture a few guesses as to who is responsible or even why it happened, but few could say for sure what really happened. There is so much information out there that even if the truth existed within it, it would be a miracle if you could sort all the real from false.
I will say this: The whole thing stinks like rotten fish! If you can’t smell the stink, you probably spend most of your time in the fishmarket, so to speak. Peeeeeuw……

My best guess is that Zionist interests played a part, Israelies seemed a bit too happy about 9/11 for comfort.
They seem to have the most to gain from it. Mainly, designating Isalm and part of the Arab world -USA and Israels “common enemies” . Just aa excuse for “lets stir up some shit”, then claim the spoils and booty. Divide and conquer.
Identify the fulcrum of the divided forces and you’ll identify the perpetrators. Maybe?

GoodDoktorBad

The only thing that can be said for sure is that 9/11 “inside job” or not, is that the official story is full of holes and omissions. What exactly happened and who or what is responsible is so damn confused (purposely).
I could venture a few guesses as to who is responsible or even why it happened, but few could say for sure what really happened. There is so much information out there that even if the truth existed within it, it would be a miracle if you could sort all the real from false.
I will say this: The whole thing stinks like rotten fish! If you can’t smell the stink, you probably spend most of your time in the fishmarket, so to speak. Peeeeeuw……

My best guess is that Zionist interests played a part, Israelies seemed a bit too happy about 9/11 for comfort.
They seem to have the most to gain from it. Mainly, designating Isalm and part of the Arab world -USA and Israels “common enemies” . Just aa excuse for “lets stir up some shit”, then claim the spoils and booty. Divide and conquer.
Identify the fulcrum of the divided forces and you’ll identify the perpetrators. Maybe?

Anonymous

Or put another way, Al Qaeda is a creation of the CIA and the Taliban of the Pakistani ISI

Anonymous

While I am not contradicting nor negating any of your appropriate and pertinent remarks, it is far simpler to look into the backgrounds of those passengers aboard those four airliners that day:

Three unique groups (1-Developers of remote piloting hardware/software, 2-designers of original counterterrorist simulation remarkably similar to 9/11 events, and 3-some of those involved with investigation of Flight 800), plus two women who may have either been personal problems to their lover and husband to be rid of, or knew something, and a physicist involved with the Naval Surface Weapons Center’s Directed Energy Section.

Investigation into the backgrounds of those unwitting operational support personal is the simplest forensic investigation methodology.

Next, we follow the money…..

rooti

The CIA makes those claims on their behalf. It makes perfect sense since al qaeda is a creation of the CIA.

Anonymous

Former Italian President, Francesco Cossiga. Said that “the disastrous (911) attack was planned and realized by the neocons and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Former Italian President, Francesco Cossiga. Said that “the disastrous (911) attack was planned and realized by the neocons and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

If I had to venture a guess I would say that Professor ChOmsky believes the same things that a lot of us here believe, but just doesn’t want to be lumped in with the likes of Alex Jones or Alan Watt. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.

$927230

If I had to venture a guess I would say that Professor ChOmsky believes the same things that a lot of us here believe, but just doesn’t want to be lumped in with the likes of Alex Jones or Alan Watt. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

And who can blame him? If you already know what happens when you push the envelope so far that no one will touch you with a ten foot pole…what good is it to be right if you’re alone and unheard? He’s probably just sticking to the edge of the debate, hoping to matter of factly push people toward drawing some new conclusions on their own. If you hold the truth up to their face…they’ll turn on you like wild dogs…if you let them think they’re the geniuses who saw thru it all…they’ll listen.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

And who can blame him? If you already know what happens when you push the envelope so far that no one will touch you with a ten foot pole…what good is it to be right if you’re alone and unheard? He’s probably just sticking to the edge of the debate, hoping to matter of factly push people toward drawing some new conclusions on their own. If you hold the truth up to their face…they’ll turn on you like wild dogs…if you let them think they’re the geniuses who saw thru it all…they’ll listen.

http://twitter.com/RepPress Representative Press

I posted a comment below showing that this article is false, what he was talking about was AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK ON AFGHANISTAN.

It’s simple guys. Chomsky is a jew, and a gatekeeper, he is part of the SAYANIM network of jews out there in key positions to get you all going in different directions, and prevent you from seeing the truth. They are ALL OVER THE NET as well. Because so many people have not looked into who jews are, what they think of you, and what their ultimate goals are, this thing is dragging out slowly. It would be over tomorrow if Americans figured them out.

It’s simple guys. Chomsky is a jew, and a gatekeeper, he is part of the SAYANIM network of jews out there in key positions to get you all going in different directions, and prevent you from seeing the truth. They are ALL OVER THE NET as well. Because so many people have not looked into who jews are, what they think of you, and what their ultimate goals are, this thing is dragging out slowly. It would be over tomorrow if Americans figured them out.

Your statement is beyond bizarre … Chomsky is one of the most public critics of the state of Israel. This idea you have and that video is beyond idiotic.

Tuna Ghost

Just because a few people here are implicating Israel in 9/11 doesn’t mean this is a good place for your anti-semitic “Jews are running the conspiracy” garbage.

TryThinking

Your statement is beyond bizarre … Chomsky is one of the most public critics of the state of Israel. This idea you have and that video is beyond idiotic.

Tuna Ghost

Just because a few people here are implicating Israel in 9/11 doesn’t mean this is a good place for your anti-semitic “Jews are running the conspiracy” garbage.

Tuna Ghost

1. Nano-thermite was not “found in the dust”. Particles of something that could have come from a thermite-like material, or just as likely from nothing out of the ordinary at all, were found. Nano-thermite is a theoretical substance. Yes, the military gets all the good stuff before the market does, but do you really want to base your argument on something that you can’t prove exists?

2. Building 7 did not fall at freefall velocities, nor did it fall through the path of greatest resistance. The “oddities” touted by conspiracy theorists as evidence regarding WTC 7’s “demolition” have been explained. Here is a good example:

3. I haven’t heard this, but I see no reason to think this proves anything besides that the orignal investigation was rushed, which everyone knows.

I’m all for another investigation, but what do you really think will happen? When they come up with similar results, you’re just going to yell “conspiracy” again.

Tuna Ghost

Also, it’s very telling that you dismiss a well researched post, complete with cited sources (rare when dealing with this subject on Disinfo), detailing Al Queda’s admission to 9/11 with “let’s not split hairs”. Really? That’s how you handle that? And then you follow with “here’s what we know for sure”, and list spurious claims. Things like this are why you’re not being taken seriously.

“Thermite is not an explosive; instead it operates by exposing a very small area of metal to extremely high temperatures.”

Thermite is not an explosive, it is an incendiary material. It is not sufficient to bring a building down. Remember that the primary source for this claim is Dr. Stephen E. Jones, whose career before the 9/11 Denial claims consisted of attempting to prove the Book of Mormon’s historical validity. The guy is an expert in lending his paper-thin credence to nonsensical ideologies. All peer-reviewed examinations of his study, which was published in a pseudoscientific journal established by 9/11 Deniers, have indicated that his findings are wrong. ALL independent looks have found him to be wrong.

3) This is really important: the government has in fact lied and hidden important information regarding the attacks. The Commission was in fact problematic. But this does not prove, in any way, that the government played any direct role in the attacks. The conspiracist rejoinder “Well if you aren’t guilty, you have nothing to hide,” is a brilliant echo of the central logic of all authoritarians. The government lies and keeps secrets because that is what they do–they seek to aggrandize all power in a society unto themselves, and secrets–meaningful disparities in information access–are significant sources of power. Proving that somebody is lying is not proof that they are guilty of anything–you must have corroborating evidence, and everything the 9/11 Denial groups bring out is either spurious, mistaken or irrelevant to this point.

So what is the government hiding? I suspect that they did not want a closer look at Pakistani involvement, which should have been obvious due to the fact that Afghanistan was a known client state of theirs at the time of the attacks. Pakistan is a close US ally in name and budget considerations, and we can’t very well invade a nuclear state. The people were bloodthirsty, and I suspect that the Administration cut a deal with the Pakistani government whereby they would let us take over their client state in return for us letting at least some of their intelligence operatives get out (the escape flights reported by Sy Hersh here: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT), and continued military and economic support for the regime. It was not a case of the Bush Administration, or the Jews or the Zionists or Mossad or whoever being responsible and the Administration wanted to cover this up, so much as them being stunned, angry, knowing that they have to respond and realizing that they cannot militarily or politically afford to go after the culpable party. They had to cut a deal with them, something that we are still paying for and something they certainly did not want much scrutiny over.

All this being said, this is just speculation on my part–informed speculation, but speculation nonetheless. You will never hear me say on these sorts of flights of fancy that “the case is closed” or that it is “an open secret” or any other level of certainty about something that I cannot, by definition, gain any meaningful certainty about. I can be certain of, or at least have a high level of confidence in the fact that Al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that the buildings were brought down by an improvised missile attack and not controlled demolition. Part of the reason for this is that there have been at least five investigations–every time you call for a new one, I wonder why none of the existing investigations were insufficient–the Joint Intelligence Committee, FEMA, the 9/11 Commission, NYPD and the NIST. The fact is just like Tuna Ghost said–you yell “conspiracy” when they don’t agree with your preconceived notions of what happened. You challenge any contradictory evidence as a CIA hoax or a Zionist fabrication, meaning that there is no possible grounds by which you could be disproven or dissuaded. Your ideas are nonfalsifiable, that is to say meaningless, that is to say wrong.

One last suggestion: watch Loose Change again, but this time, watch this version–http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&ei=zjNySe-6Bouk-wGi06TkCw&q=Screw+Loose+Change+Movie&hl=en#

Finding truth requires challenging all narratives, most significantly the ones that you believe in the most. Good luck!

emperorreagan

I hold a firmly middle of the road view on 9-11:I believe that the US intelligence establishment and the plutocrats that support it would not hesitate to murder thousands of people, even if they are citizens on American soil, to further their agendas.I also believe that the US has done so many awful things in the world and caused so much misery (both through direct military intervention and through wielding its economic influence like a club) that many people would like to exact revenge.In either case, I point my finger squarely at the US government as being responsible – maybe it was directly responsible, planning and funding the attacks itself or maybe it was indirectly responsible, through barbaric foreign and economic policy. Either way, Americans should be looking at their own government and asking exactly what REAL existential threat could ever necessitate its levels of secrecy and military spending and what sort of abuses is the combination of money and secrecy creating. Why can’t we maintain our infrastructure, provide a basic safety net, etc. but we need to maintain a garrison in the vast majority of countries on earth?

emperorreagan

I hold a firmly middle of the road view on 9-11:I believe that the US intelligence establishment and the plutocrats that support it would not hesitate to murder thousands of people, even if they are citizens on American soil, to further their agendas.I also believe that the US has done so many awful things in the world and caused so much misery (both through direct military intervention and through wielding its economic influence like a club) that many people would like to exact revenge.In either case, I point my finger squarely at the US government as being responsible – maybe it was directly responsible, planning and funding the attacks itself or maybe it was indirectly responsible, through barbaric foreign and economic policy. Either way, Americans should be looking at their own government and asking exactly what REAL existential threat could ever necessitate its levels of secrecy and military spending and what sort of abuses is the combination of money and secrecy creating. Why can’t we maintain our infrastructure, provide a basic safety net, etc. but we need to maintain a garrison in the vast majority of countries on earth?

Nancy_julian606

Um, I agree more or less with your statement, and I think the amount of money we spend on the military in comparison to other things is absolutely ridiculous, but saying we “Maintain a garrison in the vast majority of countries on Earth” is a very crude overstatement. We have garrisons in a handful, but not anywhere near a majority…

Tuna Ghost

Holy crap, I didn’t know that about Jones. Great find, thanks for sharing.

I also co-sign your third point, about the gov’t not wanting to take as close a look at the culprits and their funding with the entire country watching.

Gregory

Admits? Admits??? My god, will these 9/11 Truthers not take up another hobby like stamp collecting or basket weaving or something? Yes, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for no good reason as 9/11 was not a reason for that. You don’t fight terrorism with tanks and helicopters. The Bush Admin knew the Taliban was an easy target for a quick military victory to get the Uhmurkan peoples’ bloodlust up and running so they could then make the case for the war in Iraq, which Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and yes, Powell had been wanting to finish for a decade. Unfinished business, y’all.

But…yes…9/11 was perpetrated by a few terrorists with at least ties to Al Qaeda. Get over it. I know it’s hard to believe and swallow, that just a few guys could do such a thing, but it happened.

If the Truthers would use all this energy to speak out against the illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, against the abrogations of our freedoms, against illegal detainment of “enemy combantants” etc etc etc…then the word might be getting out more. But all this 9/11 was an inside job stuff has you right up with the bigfoot chasers and the “ghost hunters.”

Wake me when Bush & Co are tried as war criminals.

fiat lux

Gregory

Admits? Admits??? My god, will these 9/11 Truthers not take up another hobby like stamp collecting or basket weaving or something? Yes, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq for no good reason as 9/11 was not a reason for that. You don’t fight terrorism with tanks and helicopters. The Bush Admin knew the Taliban was an easy target for a quick military victory to get the Uhmurkan peoples’ bloodlust up and running so they could then make the case for the war in Iraq, which Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and yes, Powell had been wanting to finish for a decade. Unfinished business, y’all.

But…yes…9/11 was perpetrated by a few terrorists with at least ties to Al Qaeda. Get over it. I know it’s hard to believe and swallow, that just a few guys could do such a thing, but it happened.

If the Truthers would use all this energy to speak out against the illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, against the abrogations of our freedoms, against illegal detainment of “enemy combantants” etc etc etc…then the word might be getting out more. But all this 9/11 was an inside job stuff has you right up with the bigfoot chasers and the “ghost hunters.”

Wake me when Bush & Co are tried as war criminals.

fiat lux

Nancy_julian606

Um, I agree more or less with your statement, and I think the amount of money we spend on the military in comparison to other things is absolutely ridiculous, but saying we “Maintain a garrison in the vast majority of countries on Earth” is a very crude overstatement. We have garrisons in a handful, but not anywhere near a majority…