Jacoby

"The power differential means that there is inherent pressure and not full consent. As one of the Jacoby accusers said, she felt she couldn’t say no for professional reasons"

^exactly. Each of the ones I listed above were in the field, and I assume several of the others are as well. Imagine going to graduate school having turned down someone in your field. That's what the Jacoby accuser was saying. Each of the ones I listed also left their wives for the graduate student. Did they start out with I'm going to leave my wife for her? Not likely. The assumption was some short-term sex with a student.

That line was about sexual accusations, which I assume you didn't e-mail to your student. Can you name a single example of such a false accusation? Sure, maybe there's one or two you can find out of hundreds of thousands of advisors, but definitely not an epidemic.

WTF does this have to do with anything? Are you capable of making a coherent argument?

If you were able to read, you'd know it was in response to a poster who declared that accusations made them less willing to mentor grad students, with the implication that women should therefore shut up. Point in response was that no one should worry if they treat female students appropriately since there are virtually zero cases of false sexual accusations against advisors. Still need help?

That line was about sexual accusations, which I assume you didn't e-mail to your student. Can you name a single example of such a false accusation? Sure, maybe there's one or two you can find out of hundreds of thousands of advisors, but definitely not an epidemic.
WTF does this have to do with anything? Are you capable of making a coherent argument?
If you were able to read, you'd know it was in response to a poster who declared that accusations made them less willing to mentor grad students, with the implication that women should therefore shut up. Point in response was that no one should worry if they treat female students appropriately since there are virtually zero cases of false sexual accusations against advisors. Still need help?

That's absurd logic. It's very rare that cars get broken into in my neighborhood, but I still lock it every night. Don't you?

And I reject your premise that false accusations are rare. Anyone with any significant experience dealing with the general public knows that liars abound. You clearly have not taught much or you would know this too.

Can you name a single example of such a false accusation? Sure, maybe there's one or two
You answered your own question. Thanks!
Apparently this person has no idea what the word "maybe" means. Can't address the question, declares victory with no supporting evidence.

The point is you would a priori dismiss any evidence that counters your bias.

Well, you'd have to find some evidence first to decide that. Me, I like the extensive evidence found by three separate investigations on Jacoby. A lot of people need to apologize! Go ahead, we're waiting...

That line was about sexual accusations, which I assume you didn't e-mail to your student. Can you name a single example of such a false accusation? Sure, maybe there's one or two you can find out of hundreds of thousands of advisors, but definitely not an epidemic.
WTF does this have to do with anything? Are you capable of making a coherent argument?
If you were able to read, you'd know it was in response to a poster who declared that accusations made them less willing to mentor grad students, with the implication that women should therefore shut up. Point in response was that no one should worry if they treat female students appropriately since there are virtually zero cases of false sexual accusations against advisors. Still need help?

That's absurd logic. It's very rare that cars get broken into in my neighborhood, but I still lock it every night. Don't you?
And I reject your premise that false accusations are rare. Anyone with any significant experience dealing with the general public knows that liars abound. You clearly have not taught much or you would know this too.

Hahahahahaha. "I don't need no evidence of nuffin. It's, um, it's like locking your car, see, because car break-ins are super-rare, right? It's like never happened that someone broke into a car... Yeah, yeah, I'm rolling here. This is a great point I'm making.... So, um, people lie, so you should assume that everyone lies in this specific population with no evidence. Sorta like how because there are no car break-ins, then you don't have to worry. Wait, does that make sense?"

That line was about sexual accusations, which I assume you didn't e-mail to your student. Can you name a single example of such a false accusation? Sure, maybe there's one or two you can find out of hundreds of thousands of advisors, but definitely not an epidemic.
WTF does this have to do with anything? Are you capable of making a coherent argument?
If you were able to read, you'd know it was in response to a poster who declared that accusations made them less willing to mentor grad students, with the implication that women should therefore shut up. Point in response was that no one should worry if they treat female students appropriately since there are virtually zero cases of false sexual accusations against advisors. Still need help?
That's absurd logic. It's very rare that cars get broken into in my neighborhood, but I still lock it every night. Don't you?
And I reject your premise that false accusations are rare. Anyone with any significant experience dealing with the general public knows that liars abound. You clearly have not taught much or you would know this too.

Hahahahahaha. "I don't need no evidence of nuffin. It's, um, it's like locking your car, see, because car break-ins are super-rare, right? It's like never happened that someone broke into a car... Yeah, yeah, I'm rolling here. This is a great point I'm making.... So, um, people lie, so you should assume that everyone lies in this specific population with no evidence. Sorta like how because there are no car break-ins, then you don't have to worry. Wait, does that make sense?"

Doing my best to recapitulate the poster's argument in what I call "moron vernacular"! Did you know that car break-ins are super-rare and therefore it doesn't make sense to lock your car? If you spoke moron fluently, you'd understand.

Don't know the circumstances of these other cases, but it's always wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching. Also wrong to proposition a student and offer to exchange sex for professional benefits, which is basically the definition of abusing one's power. Jacoby was guilty of both.
This has been your Basic Morality 101 lesson for the day.

No, it is wrong to harass a student. It is not wrong to have an affair with a student. That is something you do not get to ban in your quest to police all features of relations between consenting adults.

Don't know the circumstances of these other cases, but it's always wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching. Also wrong to proposition a student and offer to exchange sex for professional benefits, which is basically the definition of abusing one's power. Jacoby was guilty of both.
This has been your Basic Morality 101 lesson for the day.
No, it is wrong to harass a student. It is not wrong to have an affair with a student. That is something you do not get to ban in your quest to police all features of relations between consenting adults.

Sure, sure, it's fine to have a sexual affair with your student. Totally no problem with that. I'll agree with you if you agree to never seek a job where you have to interact with another human being, which you are obviously unfit for. You can do data entry in a cubicle while you hit on your ferns.

Yes, all relationships identified between former students and faculty should be banned and they should be forced to divorce. The faculty members should then be summarily fired. Then we can begin work on adults who have more than 10 years apart in age.

Sure, sure, it's fine to have a sexual affair with your student. Totally no problem with that. I'll agree with you if you agree to never seek a job where you have to interact with another human being, which you are obviously unfit for. You can do data entry in a cubicle while you hit on your ferns.

Yes, all relationships identified between former students and faculty should be banned and they should be forced to divorce. The faculty members should then be summarily fired. Then we can begin work on adults who have more than 10 years apart in age.

Sure, sure, it's fine to have a sexual affair with your student. Totally no problem with that. I'll agree with you if you agree to never seek a job where you have to interact with another human being, which you are obviously unfit for. You can do data entry in a cubicle while you hit on your ferns.

Hahaha, now this doofus has backtracked to only defending affairs with "former students," which has nothing to do with Jacoby or the initial post he responded to. So you admit you agree with the initial claim that it's "wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching"?

In addition to being a wowser you also have reading comprehension fail.

Hahaha, now this doofus has backtracked to only defending affairs with "former students," which has nothing to do with Jacoby or the initial post he responded to. So you admit you agree with the initial claim that it's "wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching"?

In addition to being a wowser you also have reading comprehension fail.

Hahaha, now this doofus has backtracked to only defending affairs with "former students," which has nothing to do with Jacoby or the initial post he responded to. So you admit you agree with the initial claim that it's "wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching"?

Nope, no argument or substance there. You responded to a claim and now you're unable to defend your response. Do you or do you not agree with the initial claim that it's "wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching"?

OK, so here's the thing. I am all for an argument that involves a lot of trolling. But if you troll, it has to be *good* trolling. Otherwise it is boring and not worth engaging with. And if you want to have an actual argument on the merits, then that is good too. But then you're going to need to either read more carefully, or not purposefully mis-read comments in order to attempt to troll, which you fail the skills to pull off with success. At the moment you are stuck in this nether-world that is yawn-inducing. *yawn* <- see, that's a yawn.

Nope, no argument or substance there. You responded to a claim and now you're unable to defend your response. Do you or do you not agree with the initial claim that it's "wrong to harass or have an affair with a student you're advising or teaching"?