I can't wait to get a hold of one...Of course we(hopefully I'll get one a little early ) are going to have to wait an untold amount of time for production and release. Hopefully not too long...Based on what I talked with the guys about a month ago it has more plastic in the nose than the Vector (like a Buzzz vs. a Roc), probably a less concave bevel, and a small ionesque bead. I have a feeling this will be my go to disc for the rest of time...I like my broken in Vector, but even seasoned it is best thrown on hyzers and shots that don't turn. I'm hoping the Axis will be able to get a bit of a tight S curve like a Buzzz...Who knows though, it could be the most dead nuts straight disc ever made.

I don't think that the Vector sucks, but it just wasn't what we had hoped it would be. But honestly, I don't think it was intended to be. Hopefully the Axis is. I'll try one out no matter what. I love my Ions. I use a Vector as a utility or get out of trouble disc. A dead nuts straight mid would rock and kick the Buzzz out of my bag. Then I could also get into a mid that flies straight at first because of the gyro, then flies MORE understable as it slows down because of losing the gyro effect. If MVP can do this, they will dominate the non-driver part of my bag, with only maybe the Pain remaining in the bag.

ForeverBlue232 wrote:I don't think that the Vector sucks, but it just wasn't what we had hoped it would be. But honestly, I don't think it was intended to be. Hopefully the Axis is. I'll try one out no matter what. I love my Ions. I use a Vector as a utility or get out of trouble disc. A dead nuts straight mid would rock and kick the Buzzz out of my bag. Then I could also get into a mid that flies straight at first because of the gyro, then flies MORE understable as it slows down because of losing the gyro effect. If MVP can do this, they will dominate the non-driver part of my bag, with only maybe the Pain remaining in the bag.

The Vector was not my dream of what MVP's mid could be after I fell in love with the Ion...but I've grown to love it nonetheless. My beat one is a very neat disc. I would give it's HSS a -1, but it's a much different -1 than say a typical Buzzz. The Vector turns super slow and gradually and almost always fades forward. The Buzzz has much more of an S flight comparatively. I have been executing some sick shots with my beat Vector...today I parked a 350' slight hyzer shot over water into a slight headwind. I crushed it high with about 45 degrees of hyzer and it went out straight slowly flattening a pushing on the hyzer...at it's furthest point of turn the disc was still flying with about 15 degrees of hyzer before slowly returning to hyzer and pulling toward the target. On shots under 300' it now just has a tiny gradual amount of flip so that the disc glides effortlessly on it's line. Lately I've been throwing the Vector/Fuse combo and they seem to compliment each other about perfectly in terms of speed and float with the Vector just dropping faster as it runs out of speed (big bead is like an anchor at low speeds).

I'm not sure if that flight you describe is going to be possible...mostly because the gyro effect doesn't just turn off at some point, but rather decays gradually with speed/spin loss. If the design of the disc keeps it stable at high speeds, it will do so at low speeds as well. I hope the wing design of the Axis works with the gyro rather than kind of fighting it like the Vector does when new. I suspect it is going to be a disc that pushes forward whether slight hyzer or slight anny, or a more Buzzzish Buzzz....The Buzzz is already a more gyroscopic Roc (extra plastic removed from the Wasp's bead and put on outside edge of the wing), so a more gyroscopic Buzzz can only be more, well, Buzzzish. It will be interesting to see how it works with a mini-bead...I suspect it will slow it's rate of turn (which being more gyroscopic will do on it's own as well). I can't wait to throw it...I'm dying for an email from MVP saying that the production run has begun and my test discs are on their way .

the ion wasnt my true cup of tea, though i have only thrown 2 (they were twins)...sweet disc though definitely. LOVE the vector, it did something i never thought a disc would ever do ever - knocked my drone out of my bag. i know they are different beasts, but between a banshee, drone, vector, and rhyno/JOKERi, there just wasnt room for either the drone or the vector one of them HAD to go. i have been using the drone since 2005 and have not missed it once in the past dozen or so rounds.

as for the axis, i love my buzzzs fuses and cobras and CANNOT wait to huck 'um along side my vectors