You can do that with a ton of logs. Hell, there's people you've out DPS'd just because you've had better uptime on a trinket or something. It works both ways. It's just part of the game, sadly. And there's 9479349343 reasons why people do/can/can't/don't rank in their respective groups, which is another reason why ranks, IMO for the most part, mean very little especially this expansion.

Yea, i agree, there is a limit to what rank you can get but its really fun to push yourself to take higher ranks when its really hard!

You are one of the most frequent posters on this forum, but also one of the people with the least experience this tier ( out of the "veteran" posters ).
Please don't get upset when i , and i'm sure others think so too, just can't take some of your posts about what top players do and how top plays look like seriously.
You have killed 10 Bosses so far, your logs aren't public anymore so you have 0 Ranks. As i recall you didn't have any before switching to private

There can be a lot of reasons for not ranking/killing bosses, as stated previously in this thread.. Maybe the guy is a casual player? Maybe his guild just isn't very good? Etcetc.. That doesn't necessarily mean he don't know his shit.

Thats why you cant have a conversation with people that think they are good. It isnt easy to take rank 1 or even top 3 on most fights since there are people our there with guilds that let them take the ranks and help them do it. Right now its extremly hard to take high ranks on AoE bosses because of guilds like Pure for example. They bring adds into Nazgrim, they let people solo adds on Immerseus, they have people going down multiple times on Norushen JUST to help people take ranks.

There is no chance for some people to take the top 3~ ranks when stuff like this is done. My rank 3 on Malkorok is beaten by a guy that have 44% uptime on BBoY. If i had that i would be flying miles above him but no, i have 11.6% uptime on my Toxic Power.

The rank 1 on Iron Jugg have 40%~ uptime on BBoY and 25%~ uptime on Tox Power. Its not doable to take better ranks than some people when you dont get the trinkets or help to do so.

Please dont start insulting others when you yourself dont have any idea how to play the game.

I'm a long time veteran of WoW, and an on again/off again strategy game designer, so believe me when I tell you I know a thing or two about games. You don't understand how to build an argument or defend your own point. You remark about specific guilds doing things that twist fights so people can't be number #1 is irrelevant. And when people refer to competative damage or "being in the top 3-5" that's damage done to the boss sans cleave damage. It's one thing entirely when people are allocated to controlling adds, but since every fight is designed differently you can't hold the multi-add aoe/cleave model up as though it were the only one.

RNG sucks, it's a major weakness of the spec that needs to be addressed, and the fact that anyone would have to be so dependent on a couple of trinkets to be number #1 indicates a huge design flaw in the balancing of those items and the class/specs that use them. The central issue remains the same, Shadow, even if people were to give them help in a raid (which they wouldn't, because they are mathematically inferior in their maximum potential damage compared to the other alternatives, which translated for our min/maxing-fantasy-of-controlling-rng audience means it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do as well under EQUAL conditions, whether they are ideal or not).

And if anyone is intentionally performing in raids just to throw off the world of logs ranking, that is the absolutely most ridicioulous waste of time/epeen inflating/forever alone/pathetic trash I have ever heard of. It's a tool to gauge overall performance, not demonstrate your superiority. It's a game, which means it doesn't ultimately matter - eventually WoW will end, the servers will go away and correspondingly all the support/info websites for it will go away to. Sheesh.

Oh and sorry about the ragey remark about disc and holy not be supportive, it's not fair to those who are interested in balancing the class as a whole. I just tend to hear a lot more from the "screw the dps class, we're all about heals" group, which is unfortunately supported by the decline in Shadow Priests as a presence in PvE. Paradoxically LFR tends to have a LOT of Spriests in it... and they often do very, very well comparatively.

It is absolutely none of your business and has absolutely nothing to do with my comment, but we're currently not doing progression because our hpally is unable to play atm. I've never been or claimed to be a hardcore player, we're an extremely casual team of baddies and I'm quite satisfied with our 10/14H without having to raid 15+ hrs, switch specs, jump guilds, etc.

Nevertheless, I lurk a lot, for the fun of it and for the lazyness of knowing beforehand what good players are doing right. You can read interviews with the actual hardcore players, check their logs, watch their streams, see their roster comps, etc. Not once have I seen them "adjusting strategy" to rank during MoP, sorry. Maybe there are good players around with the need to overcompensate for their shortcomings and rank, but I'm fairly certain they're not the standard.

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Originally Posted by ShadowyFanatic

if anyone is intentionally performing in raids just to throw off the world of logs ranking, that is the absolutely most ridicioulous waste of time/epeen inflating/forever alone/pathetic trash I have ever heard of.

Pretty much this, particularly for a spec and an expansion where RNG and douchebaggery weigh more than good gameplay when ranking.

Oh and sorry about the ragey remark about disc and holy not be supportive, it's not fair to those who are interested in balancing the class as a whole. I just tend to hear a lot more from the "screw the dps class, we're all about heals" group, which is unfortunately supported by the decline in Shadow Priests as a presence in PvE. Paradoxically LFR tends to have a LOT of Spriests in it... and they often do very, very well comparatively.

Thanks Shadowy. I see some Spriests in LFR, but they are usually doing quite well. I also see that almost every other Heal Priest besides myself is Disc.

If Blizzard didn't want to buff Spriest damage to put it in line with other "pure" dps classes, then I think the right approach would be to make them the defacto utility dps again. Maybe not mana battery (OR MANA BATTERY FOR MEEEE), but even just providing a party wide haste/crit/mastery/some other really cool buff. Unfortunately, I just don't think it's going to happen in their current mindset. They have neutered so many of the hybrid buff providers in the name of homogenization. Our only hope is 20man Mythic balancing, allowing Spriest, Enh Shaman, Boomkins to provide very specific buffs to their party/group.

Not really. When progression is over most raid groups start gearing their alts or actually stop raiding until the next tier. Ranking is hardly an incentive except for people with the need to compensate for their little... dps. Serious raiders are in it for progression and for the lootz, not for ranking, because they know better than anyone that ranking involves a fair amount of RNG and douchebaggery and is actually meaningless.

Is that your own assumption? Because the last sentence makes no sense. They know that they are better and that's why they go for ranks to show it - both kill and WoL ranks. If doesn't matter if you or I think ranks are irrelevant, different people are driven by different things.
I've heard myself guilds talking about doing it on streams and been in guilds that had the same approach.
So I don't know much about the guilds you've been in, but the reality is that there are a lot that are doing it like the example Surarn mentioned. Maybe you've just not encountered the ones that are partaking in such activities.

And I never said that ranking was the #1 incentive for them to raid, but since they are clearing the whole tier in 2-3 hours they might as well do it when they're at it.

We are dead to blizz and we will always be, its all becouse numbers ppl dont play shadow and that is all there is to it. Good Game much love No More Such disappointed

People play shadow. Lots of people. That may be one of the problems. It has one of the best communities with information/support available which skews the data blizzard uses for tuning. If we could all just suck for a few months, and complain a lot, we'd be the new mage. pew pew win.