LETTER TO ATA
I want to bring the ATA back to the shooters like it used to be. First thing is the number of targets to obtain a permanent card, previously when you joined you got a temporary card, bring it back. Some shooters do not shoot doubles, so I propose to get a permanent card, they shoot500 singles, 500 handicap targets
at 20 yds for men, 18 yds for women, jrs, and sub jrs. Once a male shooter attains his 18th birthday he moves to the 20 yard line unless he earned Ydge.

NEW RULE
For shooters to make their State Team they must have shot 1,000 targets from 16 yards, 1,000 targets from their Hdcp, and 500 Doubles Targets, averages of each decide State Teams.

NEW RULE
To be on the All American Team they must shoot the Grand American Week, 200 singles,A Handicap, and Doubles event The High shooters from each state are then selected for the All American Team.

The winners of the Grand American singles, hdcp and doubles for 2011, are on the 2012 All American Team, and each year thereafter.
Teams would comprise, Men, Women Jrs,Sub Jrs, Vets, Sr,Vets, Chairshooters.

NEW RULE
All Lweis classes to be paid 50/30/20 no high gun payout.

There will be no High Gun Payouts on any event, all ties split.

Great Eastern Purse would be 25-15-10-25-15-10 and pay the top 6 scores.

NEW RULE
Any trapshooter who recieves compensation for teaching the sport of Trapshooting
will be classified Industry, or Professional.

Any gun Manufacturer supplying a gun to a shooter to use, that Mfgr shall report the name of the Individual nand the name of the firearm to the ATA Office
and thgat shooter will be classified Industry Or Professional, This same applies to shells supplied to shooters by shell Mfgrs, and they shall report shells given to shooters, which includes Executive Committee, Members of the Board, The Central Handicap Committee Members, and any other ATA personnell including office personnell, and Executive Director.

All meetings except the one held at the Grand American shall be held and be by Computer Webinairs to hold down costs.

The executive director shall be in all meetings conducted.

Trapshooting Members may speak at the Grand American Meeting, and a list of the members requesting to speak to be posted on the doorways to the meeting room, and the topic of their agenda. To be put on the Agenda Your Proposal must be submitted to the ATA Office Attn: Connie Collier or Office Manager not less than 90 days of the first day of Grand American Week, By Registered Mail w/return Reciept of proof of delivery, so you may not be denied the right to speak. You will be limited to 3 minutes on your proposal.

To be on the agenda member must have been a mamber for at least 4 years preceeding the Grand American Meeting, or a Life Member.

All rules changes must be voted on by the membership before they can be enacted.

Any rules changes requested by the Executive Committee must be posted in all GUN CLUBS a minimum of at least 90 days, prior to the Grand Week Meeting

These are just a few changes I woulod like to be seen for the Sport Of Trapshooting that I love and care for.

Gary is obviously a man with a plan. I always enjoy reading his suggestions.

LETTER TO ATA I want to bring the ATA back to the shooters like it used to be. First thing is the number of targets to obtain a permanent card, previously when you joined you got a temporary card, bring it back. Some shooters do not shoot doubles, so I propose to get a permanent card, they shoot500 singles, 500 handicap targets at 20 yds for men, 18 yds for women, jrs, and sub jrs. Once a male shooter attains his 18th birthday he moves to the 20 yard line unless he earned Ydge.

-> You seem to know what you're talking about on this. No dog in this fight.

NEW RULE For shooters to make their State Team they must have shot 1,000 targets from 16 yards, 1,000 targets from their Hdcp, and 500 Doubles Targets, averages of each decide State Teams.

-> No dog in this fight.

NEW RULE To be on the All American Team they must shoot the Grand American Week, 200 singles,A Handicap, and Doubles event The High shooters from each state are then selected for the All American Team.

-> No dog in this fight.

The winners of the Grand American singles, hdcp and doubles for 2011, are on the 2012 All American Team, and each year thereafter. Teams would comprise, Men, Women Jrs,Sub Jrs, Vets, Sr,Vets, Chairshooters.

-> Sounds good.

NEW RULE All Lweis classes to be paid 50/30/20 no high gun payout.

-> No dog in this fight.

There will be no High Gun Payouts on any event, all ties split.

-> No dog in this fight.

Great Eastern Purse would be 25-15-10-25-15-10 and pay the top 6 scores.

-> I say cap shot load, but leave all other variables up to the shooter's discretion. If some guy only has a 20, let him shoot it. If some guy want's to knock his dentures out, let him. I'm sure you have reasons for this suggestion.

NEW RULE Any trapshooter who recieves compensation for teaching the sport of Trapshooting will be classified Industry, or Professional.

-> A-freaking-men! Also have a bump-up based on money or tournaments won.

Any gun Manufacturer supplying a gun to a shooter to use, that Mfgr. shall report the name of the Individual and the name of the firearm to the ATA Office and that shooter will be classified Industry Or Professional, This same applies to shells supplied to shooters by shell Mfgrs., and they shall report shells given to shooters, which includes Executive Committee, Members of the Board, The Central Handicap Committee Members, and any other ATA personnel including office personnel, and Executive Director.

-> Good idea, but executives do need to meet to set the Board agenda and to address housekeeping issues. How about not letting them privately meet to discuss any matter of consequence?

All meetings except the one held at the Grand American shall be held and be by Computer Webinairs to hold down costs.

-> An idea well past time. WebEx is great. Cisco's deal is fantastic.

The executive director shall be in all meetings conducted.

-> Obviously.

Trapshooting Members may speak at the Grand American Meeting, and a list of the members requesting to speak to be posted on the doorways to the meeting room, and the topic of their agenda. To be put on the Agenda Your Proposal must be submitted to the ATA Office Attn: Connie Collier or Office Manager not less than 90 days of the first day of Grand American Week, By Registered Mail w/return Reciept of proof of delivery, so you may not be denied the right to speak. You will be limited to 3 minutes on your proposal.

-> 90 days is too much. 21 days is just about right.

To be on the agenda member must have been a mamber for at least 4 years preceeding the Grand American Meeting, or a Life Member.

-> Too much. All members are equal.

All rules changes must be voted on by the membership before they can be enacted.

-> Good idea.

Any rules changes requested by the Executive Committee must be posted in all GUN CLUBS a minimum of at least 90 days, prior to the Grand Week Meeting

-> And on the web, where a member can log in and vote with his ATA number.

These are just a few changes I woulod like to be seen for the Sport Of Trapshooting that I love and care for.

LETTER TO DR LONGSHOT Do you lay awake at night thinking up crap to bitch about. what a bunch of stupid ideas. Why don't you and Indy & grnberetcj volunteer to run the ATA and see how many member you loose. I will be the frist one to go. I would not be a member to anything being ran by a bunch of idiots with idiotic ideas.

"This same applies to shells supplied to shooters by shell Mfgrs, and they shall report shells given to shooters, which includes Executive Committee, Members of the Board, The Central Handicap Committee Members, and any other ATA personnell including office personnell, and Executive Director."

There's been a big problem with ATA office personell kicking our butts with shells they get for free from manufactures and they don't have to pay for them like we do. It's about time to put a stop to it, if you ask me!

IF you want to hear a whole bunch of shooters slamming the door behind them go ahead and make your targets faster and wider.. Dr Longwind you were here when they tried to enforce the 3 hole rule .. remember how well that went over ??

Golly Gee Whiz.. boys and girls, I think Longwind and Indy make a fine pair !! I'd vote them into office tomorrow.. well, except for the fact that I'd rather not totally destroy the ATA in one quick move.. .

I am new to this sport, it is my 2nd year. I have never seen such bitching about the little things in my life. Enjoy this sport, try to get new shooters involved and all of those perfect scores...makes me strive to do better. I am not a youngster, but I really enjoy this sport. I do not agree with everything the ATA does, but they do strive to do their best for this sport.

"You guys are on your way out, anyway. Sorry, but it's just the way it is."

Very amusing How does this strike you "We need to worry about the future." Just curious but who is we?? Do you have a mouse in your pocket. Or did you acquire a majority from those that don't post here??? From what I am reading in the statements and comments on this thread and the rest you post to. You sure as he!! aren't getting much support in your ideas from this board.

Most people registered here agree with me. Most trapshooters agree with me. Most shooters who infrequently shoot trap agree with me.

A vocal old minority doesn't, and they cry louder than everyone else. Because the old people cry, you deter people from getting on board with needed change.

What are you guys so angry about? You old people disagree with everything.

Trap needs to be harder. - Everyone agrees with this, except you.

The ATA needs to sanction and promote more forms of trap than only the two they currently acknowledge. - Everyone agrees with this, except you.

Trap rounds need to be affordable and as cheap as possible if we want the sport to grow. - Everyone agrees with this, except you.

Punch cards for rounds of trap would make a great Christmas present for a shooter. - Everyone agrees with this, except you.

You old people have no new ideas, and you're content to watch trap participation continue to plummet, as long as you get to sit in your RV in the trap club parking lot and talk to people your own age group, doing the same thing you did 30 years ago.

At what age does one become a "selfish old person?" BTW Indy what have you done to affect change? What clubs in your area do you volunteer at? What do you do to help the cause besides flapping your gums at your perceived issues?Inquireing minds want to know.