No Godwin’s Law here. This Men’s Rights Activist really IS a Nazi.

Well, now you’ve gone and done it, you evil feminists: you’ve turned 0bvious_Atheist into a Nazi!

We first met the Men’s Rights subreddit regular the other day, when in a fit of ingenuity he blamed the Newtown school shootings on, er, Title IX. Well, his strange political journey has continued, and on his blog, on Boxing Day, the Canadian MRA officially announced his conversion to neo-Nazism. Literally. Let’s let him explain:

I have grown impatient

I have lost my desire for conventional activism. We live in an era where men like Warren Farrell are run off campus by mobs of Femistasi, men like Keenan Midgley get maligned for trying to start Men’s Centres, JohnTheOther gets harassed in the streets and others like him get assaulted, Mr. Heimbach a white students advocate in the United States, is constantly maligned by the media and the intellectual establishment, and Jared Taylor, a meek and mild Yale graduate, is harassed at every turn by the establishment.

Huh. I have to admit I’m not completely up-to-date on all the examples of anti-white, anti-male oppression he lists here, but I would like to point out that Warren Farrell did not, in fact, get run off the University of Toronto campus. A number of students protested his visit, some of them quite rudely, but the police interceded on his behalf, clearing away protesters so he could go ahead and make his speech.

I also looked up that vague reference to “Mr. Heinbach,” and discovered that Matthew Heimbach is a student at Maryland’s Towson University who wants to start a White Student Union there. As part of his campaign for tolerance on behalf of America’s beleaguered white majority, he recently posed in front of Martin Luther King Jr.’s church in Montgomery holding a Confederate flag.

Gosh, how terribly unfair it is that some people might have criticized him for this.

Mr. Atheist continues:

I’m a young man. I don’t have the patience to go around asking for permission to exercise my inalienable, natural right to freedom of association. As Harold Covington said, Whites feel they need a permission slip from quote “the Jews” unquote to advocate for them. I feel the same thing can be said of Men’s Rights Activism. We feel that we need permission from Feminists, the intellectual establishment, and the state to self-advocate. Our entire movement has become a quest for permission from the left to self-advocate.

I’m pretty sure that not even a single molecule of that is even remotely true. What color is the sky in Imaginary Backwards Land?

We want a Men’s Ministry in the government. We want Men’s organizations on campus. We want White student unions. All of those things are politically toxic to the establishment and out of reach, and furthermore, if you look at what the “Men’s Ministries” in the Northern European welfare states have done you will remain unimpressed, and perhaps even alarmed, at how little they have mitigated the total alienation of young men from the respective societies of those countries.

Of course, the young men who are most alienated from society in the Northern (and Southern) European welfare states today are the immigrants who are so despised by Mr. Atheist and his fellow White “Nationalist” racist assholes. And these young male immigrants aren’t feeling alienated because of a lack of White Student Unions or the unimpressive actions of Men’s Ministries; they’re feeling alienated because of racism and a lack of jobs.

With this in mind we must recognize that productive organizations simply are not going to become a reality. If you doubt me, you can go look at what they did to Dr Warren Farrell when he tried to speak at the University of Toronto. I have absolutely no desire to be screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into a pariah for simply asking to exercise my right to freedom of association.

So the fact that a couple of dozen students protested against a speaker on a college campus, delaying his talk for half an hour or so, means that normal political activity on behalf of your ass-backwards faux “civil rights movement” is impossible? Mr. Atheist, do you have any fucking idea what real civil rights advocates went through in order to get the same basic rights as everyone else, like the right to fucking vote? Do you think that feminists weren’t ever “screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into … pariah(s)?”

What sort of strange entitled bubble do you live in that you think political activism should be painless? Or that your political opponents should simply roll over once you express your opinions?

Congratulations intellectual establishment. After around 14 years of politically correct education at politically correct institutions run by politically correct professors you have alienated me, first as a White, and secondly as a male. I have got absolutely no patience for your goddamn processes, your forms, your organizational quotas and quorums required to get approval from the UVSS. I’m fed up, and I’m going elsewhere else to self-advocate.

If you’re really serious about going “elsewhere else,” might I suggest another planet?

As market Anarchists and Libertarians constantly must remind you crypto-Marxists, if you ban something the buyer will go elsewhere in the market to get it. That’s exactly what I plan to do. Rather than grovelling at the feet of professors, academics, pseudo-intellectual social justice warriors, and Femistasi, I’m just going to go join the Western Front, a quasi-Neo-Nazi, semi-illegal White Nationalist political organization that accepts me for what I am and understands my problems. You have driven a relatively well off, intelligent, middle class, White male, who used to vote NDP, into the arms of the very people you taught me to despise for the totality of my formative years.

Great. I guess the one upside of all this is that Mr. Atheist won’t be calling feminists “feminazis” from now on. Not that “femistasi” is much of an improvement.

Oh, and in case anyone needs visual evidence of how much of a racist fuck 0bvious_Atheist really is — not that there’s much doubt — here’s a link to a cartoon he stuck onto the end of one of his recent YouTube videos. But first, a TRIGGER WARNING for really really racist rape imagery. Link.

(Note: There doesn’t seem to be any information online about a neo-Nazi group called Western Front, at least not in Canada. There was evidently one by that name in Los Angeles at one point. Does this group, like the anti-white-male oppression he talks about, exist only in 0bvious_Atheist’s head? EDITED TO ADD: There is a group called Northwest Front; presumably that’s what he meant.)

Well, at least they’re leaving behind an E-paper trail on how buggerf***ked they are. Like all those repbooblicans who couldn’t stop talking smack about abortion. Sometimes — no, almost always, these guys are their own worst enemies.

It doesn’t necessarily have to add time. If you begin during summer, or fall you have loads of time to get yourself up to speed. I don’t know your specific situation, but I’ve been in a similar pickle before, and I used the University’s library to teach myself enough math to test in at a higher level.

I think you could do the same. Just think of algebra and beyond as a rules you have to follow in a series. Or, if you want to memorize everything, write out a paragraph to conceptualize each individual concept.

So… I forgo enrollment in the spring quarter, so I can attend a class in the summer someplace else, and then I enroll for the fall quarter.

That, or I send for my HS diploma and begin taking classes in the upcoming quarter.

You aren’t thinking. I am not pursuing a degree in math. I don’t need to attain a higher level. I need to enroll, full stop. Delaying that so I can pursue something which isn’t relevant…

Again, you are trying to teach me to suck eggs. I may not have a degree, it doesn’t mean I didn’t learn anything about how bureaucracies work (from you know, attaining the 160 or so quarter hours of credit, or dealing with the Army for sixteen years, or the VA since I retired).

But thanks for preaching to me about what I ought to do, from your self-professed ignorance of my situation, while lacking the common courtesy, and decency, to read what I’ve written here before presuming to hand out avuncular advice.

Dude, it’ll only take you a few hours to learn that math. If you have a week, you could relearn everything from basic to algebra in one day, and geometry and trig the rest of the week. The limiting factor is how long you can sit over a book reading it till your brain begins to feel like mush.

Needed: Either a HS Diploma, or, 6 quarter hours of college math from an accredited institution. Yes, CLEP would count, if I tested out of Algebra I and Alegebra II.

So you think I can get two quarters more math than I ever studied, master it to the level required to pass the tests, and do all of that in a trivial amount of time†.

To what end? Save the time required to fill out a form and the cost of stamp?

As I said, you are pretending you know better than I what I need, what I am capable of, and how to manage my life. What makes you think 1: You have the knowledge to do that, and 2: that I have any interest in your opinion?

Seriously. Where have I shown the least expression of thinking you at all clueful? Where have we engaged in an exchange of intimates? Why in the name of all that’s holy would you expect me to be taking, dismissive, life skills advice from you?

You who admits to not reading all I wrote on the subject before telling me what I needed to do?

† a negative, amount of time. actually The application deadline for the next term was Jan 1.

Why should I chill? You’ve been rude. You deserve to be treated like an asshole, because 1: you’ve been an asshole, and 2: you failed to pay attention to what had been said to others, and 3: ignored the signs that your interlocutor (that would be me) was losing patience (pro-tip, avuncular is rarely used by people who are pleased with one).

It would also be a trifle better for you were you to realise you aren’t in a position to made demands, set the rules of debate, control the way things are done here.

Well, some perspective. You don’t accomplish anything by getting frustrated. I’m a person on the interwebs you don’t even know. In the scheme of things in your life, I don’t really play a part in anything. I’m just a commenter on a website you like to visit.

Lets imagine I got you really really riled up. Who in real life would you vent to? Would you actually vent, or instead not say anything because you would sound petty to the person you’re talking to?

So yeah, getting riled up over something I said, especially as it wasn’t intended to upset you is a bit of a strong reaction.

They only have to read the news! There have been so many stories reported (certainly in the UK,the BBC is good at covering these issues) about Eve-teasing and the terrible way rape victims are treated in India.

But then I should probably expect nothing in terms of intelligence from a movement that counts among its members a man who thinks Saudi Arabia is a Gynocracy. *cough*TomMartinIamtalkingaboutyou*cough*

Dude… riled up? No. Irked, as one is with a small rock in one’s sock, that little pebble which keeps hiding under the arch of the foot, and then comes back.

When you say, “chill”, what you mean is, “ignore the asshole, and don’t call him on it”. If you were more than just a naive soul on the internet (say an Argenti, or a hellkell: chosen for topical reasons), it would be different.

But you aren’t. You, in the face of evidence to the contrary, presume to know better than everyone else, and in this case on an issue; not of abstraction (like the voynich manuscript, or fermat’s last theorem, or the invention of X, or… well just about everything), but on a personal one.

So yeah, getting riled up over something I said, especially as it wasn’t intended to upset you is a bit of a strong reaction.

Ooh… intent. You didn’t intend to be a social doucebag, so it doesn’t count. What rubbish.

Argenti and hellkell said similar things to you. When I told them 1: it wasn’t relevant, and 2: it was counterproductive, they said, “Oh, ok.” and drove on. You, in your infinite wisdom, didn’t. You didn’t read what had been said. Ignored that more than just myself told you it had already been covered, and went on to spout nonsense.

If I am offended it’s because you were offensive, and too stupid to see why.

I asked you two questions.

Are you paying attention?

Do you think I’m stupid?

I asked because so far as I can tell, the answers to those are 1: No, you aren’t, and 2: Yes, you do. To give the specific advice you did requires pretty much that to be the case. If you’d been paying attention, you would have seen my answers to the ideas you were repeating.

If you didn’t think I was stupid you would have accepted my assessment of the situation, esp. when I made it directly to you.

So it’s not an issue of my being “riled up”, it’s an issue of good manners. You didn’t exhibit them, and I told you so. To which (in your usual way) you replied dismissively, as if it weren’t your fault that you were an ill-mannered lout.

It is, and more people, not just here I would imagine, probably need to tell you, if there is any hope of you becoming well-mannered.

Now now, we can’t expect Diogenes to use his brain. It’s been dormant so long. After all, this is the bloke who thinks “doesn’t believe in the Bible” = “atheist”. And presumes to know what someone’s beliefs, and gets it arse about face, despite lots of threads where that information was mentioned.

I don’t think you’re dumb, which is why I don’t see the idea of you mastering some lower level math classes as being difficult.

hellkell

Am I arrogant? Hell yeah I am. I’ve been called “the most arrogant person ever met” by several people. I don’t feel the need to have to apologize for existing like other people do, and that makes people who aren’t confident in themselves hate me for being the person they would want to be more like.

And how does goodwill factor into any of this?

NYE I met a friend of mine. He’s got his series-7 license and operates his own investing firm. Now, he got as far as he is in life thanks to his father. He began by investing family money and made that grow into some good cash. The dude was born into the ivy league, cigar smoking, ferrari driving, mansion dwelling status that so many people want. I on the other hand grew up a war refugee and extremely poor. I moved out at 18, and everything I have is from the sweat of my brow. I’ll be honest when I say I don’t let him pay for drinks at the bar when we hang out because I resent his background a bit (i.e. fuck your wallet, I’m paying). So when he suggested to me that I “swallow my pride” and work for someone else, yeah, it burned a bit. I like working for myself, but I know its not going to make me real money. He pointed out J.D. Rockefeller and Henry Ford as examples to me. Good points.

So, as much as I resent the idea of not being self-employed, I’m willing to suck it in, work for a company, and go through the embarrassment of sending out my resume, and sitting in interviews. And its not because of goodwill, or anything like that. Its because its the thing that makes the most sense.

Some gal

If you had it your way, how would math be taught at high schools, and college? Would you go the rote-work route, or try to get students to understand math as conceptual, or what? Lets say you’re writing the curriculum. What do you think is best?

I’m sure the answer you give will not be that the system we have now is ideal.

You wouldn’t take an investment tip from someone you didn’t like even if it did make sense?

If a virtual stranger, who I neither liked nor respected, and who had no track record of analyzing situations correctly or accurately predicting market behavior — if that person were to offer me an investment tip, I would be pretty stupid to follow it. Especially if that person offered the tip in a way that made it clear s/he had completely failed to understand the context or the facts on the ground.

Pierre wanders through the supermarket, pausing at the meat counter where he is approached by Diogenes the Cynic.

DtC: Can I interest you in a stock tip?
Pierre: Excuse me? Do I know you?
DtC: What, you would turn down a stock tip just because we’re not best friends? How puerile!
Pierre: Have we met? Your voice sounds familiar…
DtC: Why are you getting so riled up? You don’t accomplish anything by getting frustrated. I’m just a person in the supermarket you don’t even know.
Pierre: Riled up?
DtC: In the grand scheme of things, I don’t really play a part in your life. I’m just a dude in the supermarket you like to shop at.
Pierre: [stares blankly, scratches head]
DtC: Getting so riled up over something I said is a bit of a strong reaction, you have to admit.
Pierre: I’m not angry.
DtC: Chill! Dude, chill out!
Pierre: I just don’t understand why I would want a stock tip from a stranger.
DtC: Your loss! That is very childish of you!
Pierre: [turns and begins to select some nice Peameal Bacon]
DtC: I bet you don’t even think the Voynich Manuscript is music!
Pierre: [eyes widen] I KNEW your voice sounded familiar!

I don’t think you’re dumb, which is why I don’t see the idea of you mastering some lower level math classes as being difficult.”

I think he’s goddamned brilliant, if he doesn’t have time to do it, he doesn’t have time!

“hellkell

Am I arrogant? Hell yeah I am. I’ve been called “the most arrogant person ever met” by several people.”

Shocking I say, simply shocking! Arrogant is not a compliment, you do get that, right?

And Pecunium? Part of my suggesting you just take the math is th my HS is a headache and I half to get records from — I had to fly up and sign for them in person last time >.< I hope you can just ask nicely for yours (and that Diogenes gets a Lego light saber lost in his shoe)

Did y’all know Lego makes light sabers? My brother used one to wedge the o-ring off my coffee mug when neither of us could get it, quite effective.

Am I arrogant? Hell yeah I am. I’ve been called “the most arrogant person ever met” by several people. I don’t feel the need to have to apologize for existing like other people do, and that makes people who aren’t confident in themselves hate me for being the person they would want to be more like.

“Am I arrogant? Hell yeah I am. I’ve been called “the most arrogant person ever met” by several people. I don’t feel the need to have to apologize for existing like other people do, and that makes people who aren’t confident in themselves hate me for being the person they would want to be more like. ”

Arrogance =/= not feeling like you have to apologise for yourself. If you think being downtrodden, apologetic, whatever, is the only alternative to being an arrogant schmuck, go and get therapy, because you know even less about human beings than about any of their achievements.

Same goes for talking more shit about religion, quite apart from the WTFuckery of “sheikhs”. You’re making an even dumber suggestion here, that the choice is monotheism or atheism (ever heard of Hindus, moron? Or pagans?). Are you really trying to suggest that only people who believe in some sort of organised, monotheistic religion aren’t atheists? Do you even know what atheist means? Do you really think people have to belong to organised religions to count? That’s either incredibly, willfully ignorant, or just bigoted.

See, these are all among the reasons you’re despised. Your arrogance is based on ignorance and pretentiousness. You carry on as if you’re some ancient sage who knows it all, when you know jack shit about most of the things talked about here, and you haven’t the grace to shut up, listen and learn from people who do know what they’re talking about. You talk as if you’re a member of the community, and attack those who are, when you’re just one of the most boring, head-up-your-arse trolls around.

my HS is a headache and I half to get records from — I had to fly up and sign for them in person last time

Holy fuckballs! In Alberta, all education records are centrally stored. You take less than 5 minutes to fill out an on-line form, pay your $10, and the ministry of education will send your transcript wherever, with everything clearly explained. With the new intraprovincial system, you don’t even have to order them yourself, the post-secondary institution you’ve applied to can request them on your behalf (at no charge to you), if they require them (and depending on the program and what have you).

It’s so, SO frustrating to have to hack through red tape, and secret procedures, and TBA deadlines that oops! you’ve already missed, and nickel & dime fees, and changing policies, and bad information being published. You’d almost think that an industry that’s ABOUT the transmission of information would be better at transmitting information.

Unimaginative — yeah, it was fun. I think part of it was that I was applying as a transfer student, so the uni wouldn’t deal with requesting the records before admitting me. And part of it was just ass, as I’d tried telling them that fine, I’ll have them picked up in person by my mother and that wasn’t good enough.

Meanwhile, psychs basically refuse to let you transfer your own records (fine by me, “sign here please” is much easier)