The universe was trying to correct itself by killing the people trying to correct it? The solder came to life for no reason and speared through that guy near the end.

LOL! Yah, I guess a lot of it was ridiculous. I don't know why I'm even defending it at this point. I didn't mind it, but it's not like I thought it was a brilliant work of art. I've seen worse in the genre for my taste, but yah, a lot of it was kind of absurd.

The weird stuff like the sentient arm not being explained didn't bother me. I can accept in this movie there are multiple universes overlapping and some of them have weird things like sentient arms. Or living killer metal. Or whatever that was. What ruined the movie is how drastically the tone shifts from character to character while experiencing them. It's so hand-wavy and forgotten. Any attempts at seriousness or humor fall flat every time. There's too much yammering on about nothing until the next set piece then we rush along to the next set piece. And we never have time to breath. I didn't get a chance to care about any of the numerous boring characters. I'm guessing the Earth story was supposed to be that break but it feels like it was ripped out of another movie and shoved in. Deaths and injuries are meaningless when they are all fine and dandy in the next scene. The whole Philadelphia Experiment type scene with the woman fused inside the wall was a cool idea flushed down the toilet. I'm intrigued by the impossible size of the end monster but don't care to see more.

Thinking about it I kind of wish Netflix got behind an Event Horizon prequel or soft reboot. The few snippets we saw of what happened to the original crew were creepy as fuck.

Thinking about it I kind of wish Netflix got behind an Event Horizon prequel or soft reboot. The few snippets we saw of what happened to the original crew were creepy as fuck.

That I can agree on. I would be pretty hyped for that. Telling the story of the original crew would be an easy way into a prequel.

Incidentally, (not that you trust my taste at this point) have you seen the TV show "Altered Carbon" on Netflix? It's one of the better Sci-Fi shows I've seen in a while. I think it's based on a book, but I haven't really looked it's history. It's a bit pretentious, and the ending was cliche and phoned in, but the future noir, cyberpunk setting is well done, and the plot is pretty interesting.

Why was the arm alive? Who was controlling the arm? Why did the arm know where the gyroscope was? Why did the worms explode out of the guys body? Why did the solder seem to come alive and turn into snakes at the end of the movie to kill that guy?

It was just all ridiculous and nothing had any rules. Just a bunch of random shit happening because JJ Abrams thinks his audience is retarded.

The arm was being controlled by the alternate dimension version of the character who lost his arm and the worms exploded out of the Russian because that's where they ended up when the two versions of the space station ended up occupying the same space.

Since it was clear anything could happen and nothing would have to explicitly make sense, I was just along for the ride.

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I’m not sure why anyone thinks the monster at the end of the movie was any larger than the regular Clovie from the first film, they don’t show it next to anything that would give it a sense of scale.

The Lowest cloud level sits at around 6500ft at its highest. Since its head easily burst through the clouds, the monster that appeared at the end of the movie would have been around 6500ft tall. While clouds can obviously be lower...we're still talking about a creature that could be up to 6500ft in height.

For reference, the largest Godzilla (from the new anime movies) doesn't even crack 1000ft...and it bursts out of a mountain at the end of the first movie.

The Lowest cloud level sits at around 6500ft at its highest. Since its head easily burst through the clouds, the monster that appeared at the end of the movie would have been around 6500ft tall. While clouds can obviously be lower...we're still talking about a creature that could be up to 6500ft in height.

For reference, the largest Godzilla (from the new anime movies) doesn't even crack 1000ft...and it bursts out of a mountain at the end of the first movie.

This new Clover was absurdly large.

Why would you think it is cloud cover and not just a fog bank? See, that's my point, they don't give it any reference for scale so while the fanboys are going crazy saying it's some super-huge version of Clover, there just isn't anything in that scene to give you the indication that it is any bigger than the monster from the first film.

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Incidentally, (not that you trust my taste at this point) have you seen the TV show "Altered Carbon" on Netflix? It's one of the better Sci-Fi shows I've seen in a while. I think it's based on a book, but I haven't really looked it's history. It's a bit pretentious, and the ending was cliche and phoned in, but the future noir, cyberpunk setting is well done, and the plot is pretty interesting.

I intend to. The trailers look cool and I love cyberpunk. I actually followed up Cloverfield Paradox with Blade Runner 2049 and loved it. Definitely not a movie I would recommend to anybody other than people who watched every cut of Blade Runner, read the books and comics, and played the Westwood Studios game many many times (finished 2 more playthroughs since this weekend; fucking amazing game). The reviews for Altered Carbon are unsurprisingly all over the place. Will dive in on Saturday at the earliest.

Why would you think it is cloud cover and not just a fog bank? See, that's my point, they don't give it any reference for scale so while the fanboys are going crazy saying it's some super-huge version of Clover, there just isn't anything in that scene to give you the indication that it is any bigger than the monster from the first film.

Most people are assuming its cloud cover due to the fact that the escape pod's reentry was more or less followed from the time it left the station to the time is passed through the clouds.

If it was intended to be a fog bank, they would have (in all likelihood) made it more evident by showing buildings, etc. Instead, it was (in all likelihood) the cloud line.

Why would you think it is cloud cover and not just a fog bank? See, that's my point, they don't give it any reference for scale so while the fanboys are going crazy saying it's some super-huge version of Clover, there just isn't anything in that scene to give you the indication that it is any bigger than the monster from the first film.

The lack of reference is why I assume it's cloud cover. If they had included something for scale, like a mountain, building, or something else, I wouldn't feel that way. (ending scene spoiler)

So, to me, what's offered makes it appear like it's larger than the first movie's monster. Add in that it Abrams said the first movie's monster was a baby and it seemed less developed than this one, I'd wager this one was larger. I'm not claiming this to be in any way conclusive.

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I saw the first episode of Altered Carbon last night and found it enjoyable. The acting is a little dry, although it could be I'm not familiar with everyone yet and I haven't read the source material. Cool premise, the visuals are great, actions scenes good and not too numerous, and there's nothing that has turned me off from the next episodes. As far as rating it with other scifi shows, I'd say it falls well behind the first season of The Expanse but far ahead of Dark Matter. It makes me wish for a new good Dune series.

I forget if I said it before, everyone MUST WATCH FUTURE MAN. I need a season 2 right now.