what do you think? i sort of like him. i was reading his books in 7th grade, that shit was dope. there was a period of spite, of course, but now i think he is really entertaining and sometimes has very good points. of course, he can also be somewhat damaging to fragile minds with his calamity (i.e. being completely against anything that could help keep a clean environment)... but, everyone has their flaws.

At some point in the 70's my grandfather passed away. My grandma Gillooly now down a husband and long past raising eight kids left Ohio and traveled straight to Tampa, Florida. Upon arrival she purchased a white 1981 Firebird and took up deep sea fishing. By the time we moved to Florida in 1985 her eyesight went to shit. She spent the majority of her time with her cockatoo listening to books on tape and one Rush Limbaugh. My grandma enjoyed three things.....smoking viceroy cigarettes, drinking whiskey, and arguing with Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis. She was clearly entertained and I think he was appealing twofold. In a lonely household she longed for arguments and as far as their politics colided he was prime, and further he is quite the effective showman. He is unashamed of who he is which makes him a superb enemy. And so, i picked up the habit from her and still listen.

He has nothing interesting or even valid to say. He is better than Hannity or Coulter, but that is saying very, very little. Right-wingers are fundamentally out-of-touch with the realities of contemporary American society.

NerblyBear wrote:Right-wingers are fundamentally out-of-touch with the realities of contemporary American society.

Nerbly, you, me and the electrical board are not all of American Society, right-wingers are a MAJOR aspect of it too, thus they are perfectly in touch. I have, and probably you and everyone else too, old friends who stuck with the Republican, and to be honest I can't even speak to them anymore because they are complete fucking morons, but they have a shit ton of friends who all believe the same things as them and they are as american as hamburgers. And the same goes for the f'in Nancy Pelosi's of the world. They are both so in touch with American Culture it makes me want to move or try and get a state to secede. So, with that in mind, a person like myself can either avoid everything to do with politics and the media and entertainment or you can accept all of it with a grain of salt since all of it has something someone like myself can disagree with.

NerblyBear wrote:Right-wingers are fundamentally out-of-touch with the realities of contemporary American society.

Nerbly, you, me and the electrical board are not all of American Society, right-wingers are a MAJOR aspect of it too, thus they are perfectly in touch. I have, and probably you and everyone else too, old friends who stuck with the Republican, and to be honest I can't even speak to them anymore because they are complete fucking morons, but they have a shit ton of friends who all believe the same things as them and they are as american as hamburgers. And the same goes for the f'in Nancy Pelosi's of the world. They are both so in touch with American Culture it makes me want to move or try and get a state to secede. So, with that in mind, a person like myself can either avoid everything to do with politics and the media and entertainment or you can accept all of it with a grain of salt since all of it has something someone like myself can disagree with.

I don't avoid "everything to do with politics." I'm very interested and involved in politics. I don't consider Limbaugh to be someone who has anything interesting to contribute to political discourse, and I don't think that right-wingers have anything of substance to contribute to this discourse. They don't pay attention to the plight of the working class. They don't pay attention to the destruction of public schools and public hospitals. They don't pay attention to the destruction of the environment.

Right-wingers have absolutely no clue what is currently going down in this country. That includes you, kenoki, if you consider yourself one of them.

NerblyBear wrote:Right-wingers are fundamentally out-of-touch with the realities of contemporary American society.

My guess is that most folks you see on TV, or in movies, or that have multi-million dollar radio shows are likely out of touch with contemporary American society. I say that inasmuch as anyone who is chauffeured everywhere they go, has every meal and every expense paid by representation, and communicates through the press.

That being said, there are ideas and philosophies of both the left and right that are sensible in dealing with the problems of everyday life. Usually the applications of said ideas are flawed, and thus we have a (minimum) two-party system to debate what's best. I'm still amazed how many people seem to have a problem with this.

If all these morons on tv and radio were more like Ed Begley Jr. (as opposed to mouthing off at awards ceremonies, marching, and taking GAP photos), well then I'd say that's an example much more worth following. That guy is solid, and funny as hell.

Anyway, off soapbox!

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill

Ad-hominem attacks aside (I myself am a fat-ass and have done many many drugs), Thrush Limburger is a media tool. Granted, most of the opinions he projects are also his own, but I think that when one puts onesself in the position that he is in, one's cognitive rationale takes a back seat to party politics and sponsor dogma. I would be more inclined to listen to him if he were some guy at the bar, or anyone I could actually have an arguement with. As he is, he's about as real as Father Brian O'Blivion from VIDEODROME.

The fading phenomenon of Rush Rooms still gives me a chuckle. There was one downstate from me in a Mr. Bagel shop, regurgitating video footage 24-7 while people bought their boiled dough rings. I doubt many Jews shopped there more than once.

I work in radio, so to listen to someone slowly go deaf because of drug abuse is very very entertaining, esp when it's Rush.

The man himself is loathsome. The show is terrible - it's not tight, it rambles on and on, and the phone drivers are just flat out stupid. The only reason why he's got a show is he appeals directly to people who only have feeling about politics (etc), not any manner of fact. He appeals to the lowest tenets of Christianity and Democracy - those particularly well suited to greedy consumers.

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unarmedman wrote:That being said, there are ideas and philosophies of both the left and right that are sensible in dealing with the problems of everyday life. Usually the applications of said ideas are flawed, and thus we have a (minimum) two-party system to debate what's best. I'm still amazed how many people seem to have a problem with this.

Right-wingers always say shit like this. "Both sides have valid points to make, but..." and then come down on the side of oppression every time, like it was some sort of compromise. Why? Their minds are made up, but they have to at least appear to have considered the position they have already dogmatically disregarded.

If all these morons on tv and radio were more like Ed Begley Jr. (as opposed to mouthing off at awards ceremonies, marching, and taking GAP photos), well then I'd say that's an example much more worth following.

There's a thought: Public figures should not express political opinions. That's another right-wing shibboleth, echoed by everyone from Rush Limbaugh to South Park. Odd that such public figures are themselves in the business of promoting their political opinions, and they only seem to mind it when public figures disagree with them on the left.

Can you duplicitous right-wing fucknuts please shut up about how reasonable and how even-handed you are? You support a fascist regime, you support the intrusion of the government into our private lives, you reward the rich and powerful in proportion to the suffering they cause for the poor and weak, you are obsessed with punishment and you are uncharitable and mean.

Kenoki wrote:just that i agree left-left-liberals are, mostly, fucking wrong. and you are acting as a perfect example.

Like we were wrong about slavery, about abolition, about woman's suffrage, about prohibition, about children in the workforce, about minimum wage, about fascism, about civil rights, about Apartheid, about the Vietnam war, about the current war...

Wait, we are not wrong. We are almost never wrong. Fuck you for saying we "mostly fucking wrong." Fuck you for ignoring the obvious.

Rush is part of a disinformation campaign waged against science, reason and rationality by right wing idealouges who place more stock in faith over fact. Faith in god, faith in ideas proven wrong, faith in failed leaders. His purpose is to distort and deny facts. Any reasonable and rational person can see that he is full of shit and only parades his bigotry around to enrich himself.

The difference between him and his fans is that while they may truly believe in something no matter how contradictory the evidence might be, Rush is a cash nihilist who believes in nothing other then money.

You have been conned Kenoki. Conned into thinking Rush believes his own bullshit. I understand it must be difficult to admit it to yourself.

There should be no debate. Limited government shouldn't be considered. The federal government knows what is best for everyone. Uniform taxation isn't an option. Defense spending isn't an option. Open our borders, 100%. Universal healthcare for everyone, no other options. School vouchers are an attempt by the right to hijack the public school system and send all children to religious schools. Human life should be considered from when a person is old enough to say "hey I want to be alive" until they're so old they have to have someone else decide to kill them. Nothing else can be considered humane - just another attempt by the religious wingnuts to steal our country from us. Faith is for fools. Religion doubly so.

No one should even talk about these things. No reason to discuss.

Everyone who disagrees with you is just wrong. Fuck them all.

Thanks for clearing that up. And you're so kind about it too. Have a nice weekend in your myopic world.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill