Ok, so I have some serious AoE threat issues on my tank, and I think it has to do with the fact that I have like no haste at all. I gemmed stam because I was reading about prot pallies on icy-veins, which I think is not the right way to go now.

After reading I'm going to gem into haste most definitely. Also, would anyone recommend the engi trink? 600 to hit haste and expertise is crazy.. although it's a 450 trink

Havent looked at your toon but couple of things:

- dont need to gem/enchant for stamina - waste of damage mitigation stats: you really dont get one shot anymore.
- if you're having threat issues then it's unlikely to be a not enough haste issue, but more a rotation/prioity/awareness issue.

Unless you're tanking multiple mobs, I believe you'll establish more threat by using crusader strike and using HoTR when there are multiple targets. Even in aoe packs if you can identify the mob people are focusing on I'd use CS to keep your threat up if you're about to lose it. I think HoTR does less damage to a single target than crusader strike.

Are you doing instances with people who out gear you? I noticed a severe aoe threat issue when I was grinding heroics with guild mates who were above me by 20-30+ ilvls. Once I caught up to them I haven't had any issues. It looks like you're doing the "aoe" rotation right. I might suggest picking up Battle Healer and using Seal of Insight if you're not already. There is some added threat via healing that you can gain, it's not much, but I believe it's better according to Theck than using SoR.

If you're having threat issues early in the pull, are you having hunters MD and rogues ToT you? Once you get some vengeance you shouldn't have any issues keeping aggro.

The real issue is that the blue tanking gear isn't very optimal for us. It has a lot of Dodge/Parry on it that we're wishing was Hit/Expertise/Haste. So unless you're aggressively geming/enchanting for hit/expertise you might not make the 15% cap. At your gear level it's difficult to get 15% expertise unless you're aggressively enchanting/gemming for it. You're over 7.5% hit, so you can reforge some of that off to try to get more expertise or haste.

Ah, yes. If you're not using SoI and Battle Healer then you're doing it wrong. The tanking must haves this expac.

I find myself not using SoI nowadays on several figths to be honest. Those where tank damage is just non issue.

Okay, that made it sound like I tank with SoT all the time. SoI is still the standard. However, just saying, there are exceptions where I prefer SoT.

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Originally Posted by promdate

The real issue is that the blue tanking gear isn't very optimal for us. It has a lot of Dodge/Parry on it that we're wishing was Hit/Expertise/Haste. So unless you're aggressively geming/enchanting for hit/expertise you might not make the 15% cap. At your gear level it's difficult to get 15% expertise unless you're aggressively enchanting/gemming for it. You're over 7.5% hit, so you can reforge some of that off to try to get more expertise or haste.

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but if I recall MoP release, was there not like a shit ton of expertise on the blues? I remember it being easier to get hit and exp cap in blues than epics simply because it was more hit and exp on the blues. May be completely wrong though so don't take my word for it.

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UPDATE: So I reforged everything and put a lot into haste. It worked amazingly. My AoE threat is really good now. Although people that are iLvl 496 still rip off me when they are single targeting a mob when I'm using my AoE abilities.

UPDATE: So I reforged everything and put a lot into haste. It worked amazingly. My AoE threat is really good now. Although people that are iLvl 496 still rip off me when they are single targeting a mob when I'm using my AoE abilities.

Get a name-plates addon that changes colour when the threat level on the mob changes (you have aggro, losing aggro, lost aggro), then you can see which is going to run away, and focus a bit more on it while it is still hitting you.

Get a name-plates addon that changes colour when the threat level on the mob changes (you have aggro, losing aggro, lost aggro), then you can see which is going to run away, and focus a bit more on it while it is still hitting you.

I actually use tidy plates and the style of bar i use has a little threat indicator on it. Works amazingly!

according to Theck the mastery build is easier to master then the haste build.

How ever haste is just so much better
you get HP faster, heal more (Battle Healer glyph says hello) and more SotR

Imo there is alot higher skill cap on mastery build than haste build. Though that only really matters in cutting edge progression.

For 99% of the playebase, saying mastery or haste is harder is just pure bull, they are equal.

@Zerd You should go for haste.

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Would you be so kind and help me with our Mtank. I am a RL and do not play Paladin so i thought its better to ask you. The Pala said he looked everything up etc but i still think he is underperforming. Like when i compare his Garalon DPS with mine when i play as a Brewmaster. Or his selfheal etc.