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Comentado por Gorrorz

This trinket was changed from 54 critical strike rating to 108 attack power in the 2.4.0.8016 test realm client, along with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35749 (63 hit to 63 spell damage).

Comentado por Democrates

Well it beats out the berserker's call in passive attack power, and as a hunter, the 40% increase in potion effectiveness is really gonna cut down on my fel mana pot consumption. Really spectacular in my opinion.

Comentado por Wakako

Even with the change to Attack Power instead of Critical Strike Rating it still is an awesome trinket for physical DPS. Almost makes me want to get my druid Alchemy and Herbalism. I'm just too lazy to do that right now lol.

Comentado por Wanderingfox

the spell one was changed from HIT to damage... not haste, and it was changed to 63 spell damage, not 54

Comentado por transorbital

why does the effect don´t work with the mad alchemist's potion!?both are alchemy only. would be a nice push for alchmitst.

Comentado por Foxx2405

I find this trinket to be very very subpar compared to what other professions get

Speaking as enhancement shaman, but i think this goes for most melee dps classes.

First of all the mana/health potion factor is nearly neglectable, most of the time you use Haste Potions which boost your dps, so this aspect of the trinket is only limited to very specific encounters, and pvp most likely (i could see a good use for pvp with this)

The 108 Attackpower is very weak, if you compare it vs one of the easier to get trinkets Bloodlust Brooch ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29383 ), which has an effective 115 AP ...

These trinkets could defenately use a buff, all the other proffessions got items that are above BT quality. These trinkets i would place on par with ZA quality at best

Comentado por Dethklok

I'm considering this upgrade as a raiding retri paladin. Mana is always an issue, so the +40% extra will come in nicely.. Now I think about it, I'm guessing the 108ap outrolls the +15stat on the original piece by miles.. Although I'd prefer the crit.

Comentado por Quest

Did you both miss the part where it says "This effect does not stack."

Thats why it was downrated.

Comentado por zydar

this is a great trinket for retardins and hunters. I am using one on my pally with tsunami talisman and it is amazing. no mana issues at all so i can keep my dps pretty high.

Comentado por 3clipse

I have to say, this is an incredible trinket for raiding hunters. The 108 AP is amazing, only beaten by Bloodlust by 7 effective AP (but let's be honest, who *literally* has their trinket popped whenever it's off cooldown?), and the 40% to potions is just...wow. I sit at around 6400 mana/22 mp5 prebuffs, around 7600 mana and 90 mp5 after full raid buffs. However, using this and fel mana potions, I was actually able to keep myself constantly full of mana - I would get down to around 4000 mana, drink one, and the last tick would get me to about 7500 mana.

For hunters like me who have gear more oriented towards damage stats (i.e., leather items and less int-based mail), this is one of the best raiding trinkets out there. 108 AP is an amazing passive bonus too.

(as you can see I chose the gems with iLVL of 100 in all examples, as to keep things as fair as possible)

There is .75 Stamina per AP. So we can say, again hypothetically, 15 Stamina = 26.25 AP (or just 26).

32+32+26 = 90. 90 > 75

I know I severely, severely dumbed things down, and I broke the laws of physics with these comparisons, but for a class that uses at least 4 of the 5 stats on the Alchemist's Stone (Like a Ret Paladin!), it is a higher budgeted item than this Assassin's Alchemist Stone (when ONLY looking at Blizzard's definition of budgeting in gems, which could mean nothing in the long run but w/e).

Comentado por BoddAH

To get a better view about how « good » this item actually is, you can convert the 40% mana increase from drinking potions into mp5.

A Super Mana Potion gives you 2400 mana on average, this Alchemist Stone will give you around 960 extra mana every time you use a Super Mana Potion (2400 + 40% = 3360 mana on average Super Mana Potion use)In very long/long boss fights (in short ones you won’t get oom anyway), if you drink a potion whenever the cooldown (2 minutes) is up, you would get:

Comentado por Southrncomfortjm

108 Ap makes this one of the top pure AP trinkets in the game. No need to hope for a proc, no need to worry about a dearth of crits ruining your trinket uptime (hourglass) or getting too caught up in the fight to hit your on use trinket (name one) etc etc. I know on my priest, personally, I've really grown to love not having to worry about on use trinkets. Just melt faces and the trinkets take care of themselves, so this one should be great for my enhancement shaman.

Plus, this just goes amazingly well with the Mad Alchemist Potion, especially for melee classes that seem to always have to deal with random boss X's Aoe, cleave, random charge, etc etc. Not to mention that on my shaman, I've only ever procced useful elixir buffs, notably major agility. Even procced an Elixir of Ironskin during an AV and was pleasantly surprised.

Mats to make the trinket are rather reasonable and easy to obtain for any alchemist, especially one with a helpful guild.

Comentado por chronotraveller

You did enumerate the positives to not having on use trinkets, but none of the negatives. Just to balance out the pros of not having on use stuff (some were mentioned earlier in this thread), some cons:- Usually less damage overall (e.g. bloodlust brooch)- Lack of ability to ramp up damage/AP for particular abilities (e.g. shamanistic rage for enhancement shaman)- Lack of ability to take advantage of weak points in enemies (e.g. curator's evocation phase)

Also, since using trinkets don't incur the GCD, if you find yourself forgetting to use trinkets during hectic fights, you can write a simple macro to simply try and use the trinket before a particular ability. A priest example since you mentioned it, I try and use my Icon of the Silver Crescent before every application of SW:P. Now, I lose some dps from not popping it as soon as the cooldown is up, but it is much better than simply getting caught up in a hectic fight and forgetting to use it at all.

Comentado por kesmarex

I take it this trinket is like the JC trinkets where y can drop JC and still be abe to use them?

Comentado por wingedfoot00

So if I use up my Alchemist's Stone to make the Assassin's Alchemist Stone, can I then make a second Alchemist stone and thus have the Assassin's in one slot and the regular in the other slot?

Comentado por Jermayan

Although the merits have been mentioned for using this trinkets with hunters and mana pots, but has anyone had experience using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22838 for rogues with this trinket? I'm wondering if the haste would increase to 560 with the extra 40%.

Comentado por zedius

You indeed can have two specialized ones that are not the same (as in you can't have Assassin and another Assassin). I'm looking at someone right now with Sorcerer's and Redeemer's stone.

Comentado por janevit14

Could anyone pls confirm if the effect stack with Hunter's Spirit Bond (+10% received healing)?

Do you think Alchemist will still be a viable option for Hunter in Cataclysm when its resource is 'focus' instead of mana?

and what other professions do you reckon will work best for Hunter then?

Sry for asking, but thanks.

Comentado por JaxOh1

Using the WoWhead item filter, i found this trink is makable as soon as LV50 (powerleveled and you dont get the skillpoint for making it, but you have it and can use it), yet for any non-caster dps (rouges, DKs, wars, etc), it will last you at the very least til Lv80. Worth making on a 50s twink? Just maybe.....

Comentado por Twodotsonekb

I know the Wowhead filters list this as lvl 50 required because of being able to achieve 350 alchemy by that level, but this is actually incorrect due to the requirements to purchase the formula for this item. You can't do it until you are level 70 so the minimum level really should say lvl 70.

Comentado por Zoeteklem

*Updated for 6.1* - Philosopher's and Alchemist's Stones over the years