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Rahul: I'm not sure it's a great idea to promote systemd as an optional feature of F14 when we really haven't done much to make it so. AFAIK you still can't actually install systemd on current F14 without messing around with nodeps and force, and Lennart hasn't made any indication that he intends to support its use as a non-default init system on F14.

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Thanks, good to know systemd is doing well and is gonna be default in F15.
Also, the (new) D programming language (ldc) doesn't seem to work ok, it doesn't compile a simple hello world test app, it yields errors. D'you happen to know if it's by design or a bug?

import std.stdio;
int main() {
writeln("hello world");
return 0;
}

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Rahul: I'm not sure it's a great idea to promote systemd as an optional feature of F14 when we really haven't done much to make it so. AFAIK you still can't actually install systemd on current F14 without messing around with nodeps and force, and Lennart hasn't made any indication that he intends to support its use as a non-default init system on F14.

I didn't write up the announcement this time. You might want to talk to the marketing team regarding this.

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Thanks, good to know systemd is doing well and is gonna be default in F15.
Also, the (new) D programming language (ldc) doesn't seem to work ok, it doesn't compile a simple hello world test app, it yields errors. D'you happen to know if it's by design or a bug?

import std.stdio;
int main() {
writeln("hello world");
return 0;
}

Use "writefln", not "writeln", and it will work.

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Sadly, this time the Fedora feature list lacks anything interesting for the average desktop user, apart from the obvious upstream advances. I'm aware that the BIG THING in F14 was supposed to be Gnome 3.0, and that won't be in for obvious reasons, but I would have gone through the extra effort to have systemd in. On my systems it was working seamlessly since version 10, but there might have been other regressions on different platforms, I don't know.

However, this release is going to feel quite boring for a good set of users, and this is generally bad PR.

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Finally KVM will be able to do decent work as desktop virtualization solution (as opposed to server only).

- Gilboa

Yes I'm aware of the usefulness of Spice in highly virtualized environments, but the average desktop user's virtualization needs (if any) are already fully satisfied by virt-manager.
I still claim that this Fedora version overlooked the desktop users, luckily F15 won't.