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Ok we've established that Holmgren is nutty... but does this Talbot to Edmonton rumour (1st I've actually heard of it) actually have any real legs? He'd be a solid upgrade on Lander in the #4C spot.

Oiler fans here are speculating about the fact that on paper the flyers are heavily over the cap.

But they have two contracts that people are counting that will be put on LTIR.. Pronger and his 4.9mil contract and the latest news from philly land speculates that D-man Andrey Meszaros will fail his physical tomorrow or friday when their camp opens. IF both Pronger and Mez are injured that is 8.9mill onto LTIR.

Reading the CBA there seems to be different camps, some people say that the flyers can not put them on till game 2 of the season others are saying that as long as they have the NHL doctors confirm the diagnosis, they will go on 24 hours before the start of the season. Some places are saying Mez has been cleared, but earlier in the week there were reports saying he has not been cleared.. But, when you see them over the cap and look at Pronger's contract? They are under the cap by a little but under 1 mill.

They capgeek lists 25players on their NHL rosters, including 10 dmen, they can send down Gustofesen, Bourdon, and Gervais and free up 2.4 mill.

Upfront Scott Laughton is listed as being on the team, but I believe he is heading back to JR for one last year unless he lights up training camp and that is another million there.

Oiler fans here are speculating about the fact that on paper the flyers are heavily over the cap.

But they have two contracts that people are counting that will be put on LTIR.. Pronger and his 4.9mil contract and the latest news from philly land speculates that D-man Andrey Meszaros will fail his physical tomorrow or friday when their camp opens. IF both Pronger and Mez are injured that is 8.9mill onto LTIR.

Reading the CBA there seems to be different camps, some people say that the flyers can not put them on till game 2 of the season others are saying that as long as they have the NHL doctors confirm the diagnosis, they will go on 24 hours before the start of the season. Some places are saying Mez has been cleared, but earlier in the week there were reports saying he has not been cleared.. But, when you see them over the cap and look at Pronger's contract? They are under the cap by a little but under 1 mill.

They capgeek lists 25players on their NHL rosters, including 10 dmen, they can send down Gustofesen, Bourdon, and Gervais and free up 2.4 mill.

Upfront Scott Laughton is listed as being on the team, but I believe he is heading back to JR for one last year unless he lights up training camp and that is another million there.

Flyers have wiggle room depending on how you look at their roster

They do not have to wait until game 2 to put Pronger on LTIR. Clearly he will miss the full season.

Meszaros was cleared to play on Sept 5. My guess is that he will be traded.

Philly will be fine capwise this year but next year will be an adventure. Of course with the Flyers you never know what sort of wild moves they will make before then.

Can the Oilers fit Corburn and Meszaros, if that's the poison pill they have to take to make the deal?

To PHI: Nick Schultz, Corey Potter and David Musil

To EDM: Corburn and Meszaros

Not sure if it would work, but it might be a way to get something decent for a fairly low price

that would be a big no from the flyers-- Schultz is number 5-6 on the oilers, Potter is a guy who should be in the AHL--Musil has potential--but Coburn and Meszarov can step in an play tough minutes.

I understand the logic of adding Schultz because oilers can not add 8.5mill in contracts without sending one back.

For me the oilers are in a worse contract cap situation then the Flyers becuase the Flyers have atleast on contract that will be going on LTIR-- oilers will be needing the bonus contract area to add anyone-- problem is that the bonus' will carry over to next year when the nuge, Petry, Justin Schultz, and a few others needing contracts.

Also, for the 14/15 season the oilers will have just two nhl ready d-men under contract. Smid and Ference. Petry and Schultz RFA, Nick Schultz, Grebeskkov, Potter, Belov will be UFA and Larson (who we do now how good or bad he is) will be a RFA

Can the Oilers fit Corburn and Meszaros, if that's the poison pill they have to take to make the deal?

To PHI: Nick Schultz, Corey Potter and David Musil

To EDM: Corburn and Meszaros

Not sure if it would work, but it might be a way to get something decent for a fairly low price

Why does Philly do that?
They downgrade significantly on defense which is already a weakness of theirs and they don't shed much salary. Edit: I guess they do with Meszaros thrown in there but still....And the Oilers don't have the space to take on those 2 contracts.
If anything, i see them dealing one of their bottom 6 forwards for a draft pick or prospect. Would love to get Talbot here somehow, i think he would fill a bigger need than Coburn at this point anyway.

In trying to add players, Having Hemsky and his 5mill hurts a lot more now-- for all those posters who were complaining about Horcoffs bad contract on the 3rd liner should now be lining up to bash Hemsky's contract

Because they sign Dan Cleary to a 3 year deal for $2.75M per. They be crazy....short sighted.

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They downgrade significantly on defense which is already a weakness of theirs and they don't shed much salary. Edit: I guess they do with Meszaros thrown in there but still....And the Oilers don't have the space to take on those 2 contracts.
If anything, i see them dealing one of their bottom 6 forwards for a draft pick or prospect. Would love to get Talbot here somehow, i think he would fill a bigger need than Coburn at this point anyway.

It's not a perfect fit, but Meszaros and Coburn are both better then Schultz and Potter, so generally improving the depth is never a bad thing, but I agree Talbot would be a main target, the problem is he actually has an affordable contract.

Can the Oilers fit Corburn and Meszaros, if that's the poison pill they have to take to make the deal?

To PHI: Nick Schultz, Corey Potter and David Musil

To EDM: Corburn and Meszaros

Not sure if it would work, but it might be a way to get something decent for a fairly low price

The Oilers would need to clear more salary than that. Adding $8.5 million while clearing out just under 4 doesn't work. Would love it if it would work. I think Meszaros is a guy who can still be a top 4 and we would only be asking him to play bottom pairing minutes

Smid-Petry
Coburn-Schultz
Ferrence-Meszaros

That would be the most depth we've had 1-6 since the cup run. Problem is that it just doesn't work in terms of salary cap space.

flyers are in better cap space then the oilers. SOme oiler fans are looking at bonus space to pushing it to next year-- one problem--4 oilers are up for big money payouts and pushing the bonus' to next year is a bad thing

Pronger onto the LTIR gets them under the cap and I think they have one more player who will be tossed on the LTIR as well

The Oilers would need to clear more salary than that. Adding $8.5 million while clearing out just under 4 doesn't work. Would love it if it would work. I think Meszaros is a guy who can still be a top 4 and we would only be asking him to play bottom pairing minutes

Smid-Petry
Coburn-Schultz
Ferrence-Meszaros

That would be the most depth we've had 1-6 since the cup run. Problem is that it just doesn't work in terms of salary cap space.

I doesn't work perfectly, but perhaps you can make an uglier move to make it fit.

After this deal, move Hemsky, Hamilton and 2nd to FLA for Bergenheim and Johnathan Hazen(minor leaguer)