Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.

Funny you say that because the current Russian sub force... Akulas, Sierras, 636 Kilos are far quieter than Soviet subs and actually are a mere shadow of their former times...

The Addition of the sub version of the UKSK launch tubes means all Russian subs will have anti ship, anti sub, and long range land attack capability... something they have never had before.

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navyfield wrote:steel improvements include 1.better welding characteristics for faster and more secure construction ,2. lower magnetic values for lesser detection, 3.better strenght for more operational and maximum depth/ or lighter hull ,4. and better anti-corosive characteristics/ better durability- more important for single hull submarines.Disel subs had a 90/10% ratio for surface /submerged time-speed coeficient ,during cold war it was 80/20 , today its 70/30 ,but still they are only good for near landmass areas and smaller seas , not oceans. Any longer voyage is a no-go for diesel sub in wartime as it will be easily detected by sosus networks and destroyers.Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.

...Is this guy Captain Pakistan or RPG 7v? Modern Russian subs are more advanced than Soviet subs lol!

Well, if your purpose is to create a testbed for design evaluation then I guess the anti-aircraft capabilities is of secondary importance. Let alone that in this size of only 2000 tons and with a tumblehome design Saburov will be strictly littoral ship.Probably for the same reason of seaworthiness the design deviates so much to the prow as well.

Again from a first glance, it seems to me, as an engineer by profession, that Russians took the theoretical ideaand try to implement it where it is most effective and better applied, in small littoral ships, for close-to-shore stealthy operations,with more conservative, more trustworthy technological solutions.

Its quite dissapointing that all the buyan corvette under construction are only for the caspian fleet, so many of these highly potent ships are commisioned in the caspian sea, a place where russia has virtually no geopolitical enemies and the biggest threat bieng illegal fishermen and possibly dagestani suicide baots at most. It feels like wasted potential. They could be very good landing support vessels and offer a good firepower boost for fleets in poor o outdated condition, namely the black sea and pasific fleet. So why Equip the caspian with them first?. I understand giving the flotilla 1 or 2 buyans but 4-5 is just overkill for the potential enemy navies there.

1.) Dagestani suicide boats....come on.2.) The area is very resource rich. Hence important. Byans can strike the whole region with Kalibr. Hence placement in Caspian makes sense. 3.) Caspian was going to dissapear without new boats. Why do you think they are focusing on BSF right after? They are replacing the most worn out fleets first.North and Pacific need bigger ships anyways and will have to wait their turn. 4.) Black Sea is close and the ships can transit easily in and out of the theater. BSF is increasing in combat strength in general currently and over the next few years.

Actually black sea fleet is more important and mediterranian... they would be much more valuable there is strategic sense.Caspian duties can be covered by Kazahstan fleet as a CIS member or they could built or buy ships.Besides russian aviation and coastal antiship batteries can cover whole area.

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What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

Well, the Russian navy disagrees with you. What can I say?

Get rid of any units in the area and suddenly you do have a potential for problems. Like I said, Kalibr is usefull for covering entire region, from relative safety of Caspian.

And once again, they can easily and quickly be transferred to the BSF.