I'm currently researching an article about shooting, editing and finishing your own 3D movies on low budget so this is a very interesting piece of kit. Questions/comments about some bits in JVC's press release:

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The newly developed “LR Independent Format” makes the GS-TD1 the world’s first consumer-oriented camcorder capable of 3D shooting in Full HD. JVC’s new camcorder offers other shooting modes as well, including the widely used “Side-by-Side Format” for AVCHD (3D) and conventional AVCHD (2D) shooting.

I suppose this LR Independent Format means the camcorder is not losing vertical or horizontal resolution because of how the frames are stored. No mention of codec or bitrate for their proprietary format, however.

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The GS-TD1 also features round iris diaphragms that enable beautiful bokeh effect (background blurring) shooting of video and stills alike.

I hope it can do deep DOF too as I believe shallow DOF has no place in 3D movies.

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Automatic Parallax Adjustment to optimize the 3D-video comfort zone

This is very difficult to achieve so it'll be interesting to see JVC's solution.

I won't pay a cent for UHD Blu-rays made from 2K masters by upscaling.

"With the advent of high-definition television, home viewers will see actors with extreme clarity and detail. Thus they will demand the stars of "Sex and the City" change their names to "The Golden Girls." -Conan O'Brien, In The Year 2000: Ted Danson Edition-

Heres what i dont understand.JVC SAYS its the only true hd 3d cam.Sony has a hd 3d cam too.Why make that statement.From what ive seen and have heard on .Both the two full hd 3d top dog camcorders.Is that one guy said the jvc has a better lens for low light .And something about noise levels.I guess this will have to be a wait and see for your self deal .As who is the real deal.Other wise it seems that both of these camcorders will do a fine job.Just which one is better is my question

Yes and No. (The JVC, unlike the Panasonic and Sony, does allow for 3D stills.) The 3D is in 1080i. Don't know if the 24fps is offered, or if so is limited to 2D shooting.

Thanks for the info.

While it's good to hear the JVC allows for 3D stills, I am still a little disappointed the initial reports indicate there are no 3D 1080p @24fps shooting options for the Sony or the JVC. That is the 3D 1080p Bluray standard, and anything else would need to be converted.

Chris, thanks for the information and you must be tired after CES. I can understand taking a week away.

When you return can you let me know if the AC3 output for AVCHD is 2.0 or 5.1-channel?

The AC3 output is 2 channel. As a side note, it uses our unique Biphonic recording process. The spacing of the microphones, and some additional DSP processing, allow for a very wide and realistic sound field. We demonstrated this at CES.

The main thing I'd like to know is how we can edit the MVC video files and render them that way.

I want to preface this answer by saying this is new technology, and we are learning new things about it almost daily. Also, as a new technology, there will always be some limitations. Hopefully, over time, many of those limitations will go away.

We will provide software that allows you to back up the MVC (3D Full HD) data, play it back on your PC and convert it to 3D side by side AVCHD.

So basically you can watch the original 3D Full HD footage, or you can convert it to 3D side-by-side footage if you want to do more. The software we provide will let you edit the side by side footage (cutting, combining, effects, etc.), as well as create BD or DVD discs.

Assuming that Sony Vegas Pro 10 can download from the JVC (I suspect it can but don't have that confirmed) then you can edit MVC files with Vegas 10. However, since DVD Architect can't write in MVC, there is no way to get the resultant file out of your PC and onto a BD. Hopefully future DVD Architect versions will support (and maybe they'll also change the name to BD Architect).

I suspect some freeware program might come along since the editing workflow is available, at least.

Heres what i dont understand.JVC SAYS its the only true hd 3d cam.Sony has a hd 3d cam too.Why make that statement.From what ive seen and have heard on .Both the two full hd 3d top dog camcorders.Is that one guy said the jvc has a better lens for low light .And something about noise levels.I guess this will have to be a wait and see for your self deal .As who is the real deal.Other wise it seems that both of these camcorders will do a fine job.Just which one is better is my question

I don't think we are saying we are the only true HD 3D cam. At CES, both JVC and Sony announced new Full HD 3D consumer cams. Up to now, consumer 3D cams had only recorded side by side (1/2 resolution). We can record Full HD. Ours is coming out in March, making it the world's first. I believe the Sony comes out in April.

I want to preface this answer by saying this is new technology, and we are learning new things about it almost daily. Also, as a new technology, there will always be some limitations. Hopefully, over time, many of those limitations will go away.

We will provide software that allows you to back up the MVC (3D Full HD) data, play it back on your PC and convert it to 3D side by side AVCHD.

So basically you can watch the original 3D Full HD footage, or you can convert it to 3D side-by-side footage if you want to do more. The software we provide will let you edit the side by side footage (cutting, combining, effects, etc.), as well as create BD or DVD discs.

Chris

Will you reveal the secret of how to format an AVCHD side by side so that it switches the TV into 3D mode automatically?

Did IQ's suddenly drop sharply while I was away?I enjoy 3D in spite of HDMI 1.4!Full screen only 3D doesn't cut it!

Same disclaimer as my earlier post. We are learning new things almost daily. Here is the best info so far:

1. MVC is higher quality as it is 1920 x 1080i for each eye. Side by side is 960 x 1080i for each eye.

2. You can output 3D frame packing at 1080i or 720p, or you can output 3D side by side 1080i or you can down convert to 2D 1080i.

3. The software to convert MVC to side by side allows that content to be burned to a disc that will playback in 3D in your Blu-ray player. Not sure if it's an actual BD disc or an AVCHD DVD-R.

Chris

Greetings Chris. Thanks for the reply.

1. That's true. Half SBS should be avoided.

2. According to Table 8-15 of the HDMI 1.4 spec, the only 1080/60i 3D format support by TV is Hafl SBS. 1080/60i Frame Packing format is not supported. Does this mean that higher quality MVC streams will be output in Half SBS format resulting in loss of quality?

3. AFIK, current generation 3D Blu-ray players do not handle SBS format properly. Won't it be better to use the MVC streams for burning to disc? Also can the software be used to convert MVC streams found on non JVC 3DBD discs into SBS?

2. According to Table 8-15 of the HDMI 1.4 spec, the only 1080/60i 3D format support by TV is Hafl SBS. 1080/60i Frame Packing format is not supported. Does this mean that higher quality MVC streams will be output in Half SBS format resulting in loss of quality?

3. AFIK, current generation 3D Blu-ray players do not handle SBS format properly. Won't it be better to use the MVC streams for burning to disc? Also can the software be used to convert MVC streams found on non JVC 3DBD discs into SBS?

Best regards.

The way I understand it, our factory says Frame Packing for Interlace is an option with HDMI v1.4a. With this method, you can output the original MVC streams with no loss in quality. We tried it on a wide variety of TV's at CES, including current production model 3D LCD, 3D Plasma, and 3D Front Projection, and it worked fine with all of them. In particular, the 3D LCD worked fine, even though it was not even HDMI v1.4. So, I believe we will have pretty good compatibility.

For burning to disc, the best initial solution will be to convert it to 3D AVCHD Side by Side content. Yes, this does create a loss of quality, but it will play back in almost any 3D compatible Blu-ray. I believe that as time progresses, other archiving options will become available.

The way I understand it, our factory says Frame Packing for Interlace is an option with HDMI v1.4a. With this method, you can output the original MVC streams with no loss in quality. We tried it on a wide variety of TV's at CES, including current production model 3D LCD, 3D Plasma, and 3D Front Projection, and it worked fine with all of them. In particular, the 3D LCD worked fine, even though it was not even HDMI v1.4. So, I believe we will have pretty good compatibility.

Chris

Thanks for the reply, Chris.

Just to make sure I have not misunderstood, many current model 3D TVs( including the JVC X3,7,9 FP, I would presume) support 1080/60i Fame Packing format output by the JVC GS-TD1, even though this format is not among the 5 mandatory 3D TV formats listed in section 8.3.2. This is quite a welcome piece of information.