Thursday, February 02, 2017

Rod Dreher does not disappoint as he wrings his hands over the God-Emperor's surprisingly restrained rule:

The astonishing audacity and recklessness with which Trump has begun his presidency is a bad sign. For me, it is not so much what he has done (though I do object to some of it) as it is the reckless manner in which he has done it. As every well-raised Southern child knows, manners express morality. Yes, manners are artificial, but they embody a social code that governs the conduct of people who live under it. True, it is always better to do the right thing than to work unrighteousness under the cover of minding one’s manners. But as Brooks points out, there’s something crude and vicious about the way Trump goes out of his way to provoke, to rub the noses of his opponents in the exercise of his power. In Trump’s case, manners express the man.

In other words, we know what kind of president Trump is going to be by the way he has carried out his executive actions so far. He does not consider himself bound by law or custom. He is a law unto himself. That doesn’t make him wrong about everything, but it does serve as fair warning to Republicans and conservatives, both on Capitol Hill and out in the country: sooner or later, he’s going to make us take sides. In the moment of testing, you will only be able to make the right call then if you have prepared your conscience, and exercised it by being more faithful to the Truth than to your president.

Demonstrating, as always, that for the moderate, it's not what you do, it's the genteel manner with which you do it.

Moderate: Okay, gentlemen... take 5 paces, then turn and shoot. SJW has won the coin toss and will shoot first. Understood?
Conservative: Yes.
SJW: Whatever.
Moderate: One...
SJW: turns and points pistol, hand trembling in terror
Moderate: looks at SJW scornfully Two...
SJW: CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE! shoots in Conservative's general direction... misses horribly
Conservative: What the deuce? turns around You bastard!
SJW: How dare you turn around! You're not a gentleman!
Moderate: Conservative! You must take three more paces before you may turn around!
Conservative: That coward shot at me after two!
Moderate: Do not lower yourself to his level! Death before dishonor!
Conservative: That doesn't mean what you think it does! aims at SJW
SJW: EEK! cowers
Moderate: How dare you! draws pistol on Conservative If you do not turn around this instant, I shall shoot you myself, you dishonorable cur!

Ross Douthat, meanwhile, claims populism is always doomed to failure and assumes both incompetence and an inability to learn on the part of a man who not only specializes in A/B testing, but went through THREE campaign managers in his successful campaign for the White House.

The great fear among Trump-fearers is that he will deal with this elite opposition by effectively crushing it — purging the deep state, taming the media, remaking the judiciary as his pawn, and routing or co-opting the Democrats. This is the scenario where a surging populism, its progress balked through normal channels, turns authoritarian and dictatorial, ending in the sort of American Putinism that David Frum describes darkly in the latest issue of The Atlantic.

But nothing about Trumpian populism to date suggests that it has either the political skill or the popularity required to grind its opposition down. In which case, instead of Putin, the more relevant case study might be former President Mohamed Morsi of Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood leader whose brief tenure was defined both by chronic self-sabotage and by the active resistance of the Egyptian bureaucracy and intelligentsia, which rendered governance effectively impossible.

The Egyptian deep state’s sabotage of Morsi culminated in a coup. This is not my prediction for the Trump era. But what we’ve watched unfold with refugee policy suggests that chaos and incompetence are much more likely to define this administration than any kind of ruthless strength.

I, on the other hand, observe that the God-Emperor is simply starting small and testing the waters. I don't think we've seen anything at all as yet. But if the best he can do is to burn down the entire edifice, well, that's just fine too.

Absolutely incredible. Even the snakes with a lick of sense are at least pretending, after the past two weeks, that they are happy with "Our" victories.

Yes, the beaches have been stormed, the ports at Rouen and Cherbourg have been taken intact, lines of prisoners are being marched into captivity and YUGE stockpiles of heavy weaponry and ammunition were captured. The vanguard is already on the road to Paris...

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But I really do have to protest; not only did we give the enemy no warning and so no chance to offer his surrender, but some of the enlisted men... well, their language is rather uncouth, and I believe they seek to use their wages and status to take advantage of a number of local miladies.

To borrow from myself yesterday, what exactly would be different about a parody of that particular Rod Dreher column? He's beyond satire now.

As for Douhat, he would welcome such a coup but fears it might disrupt his life and, God forbid, fail. These people are just as monstrous as the left-wing enemies they serve as propaganda media janissaries.

The cucks have moved from influence to objects of ridicule. Maybe we should let the communists continue to think they have utility.

What, exactly, does he think Clinton would've done if she was sitting in the White House right now? The fucking SJW's and Lefties would've been screaming "Mandate! Mandate!" from the rooftops while anyone slightly left of Clinton was being ass raped in the streets.

This is not because the basic idea is infinitely beyond the pale. I oppose the Trump refugee freeze because I think the United States has a particular moral obligation to help people in Iraq and Syria given our own blundering actions in the region.

No we don't!

If I were President Trump, I'd tell the rest of the world to go to hell, build the wall, tell Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk that they now get all of NASA's budget, and they may spend it as they see fit, and then after I'm done, retire to a Space Habitat name in my honor, with my face carved on "New Mount Rushmore" on the Moon.

Dreher sets ever higher standards for championship cuckerie...I wonder if Rod has ever done any real reading of human history? For example, new genetic research shows that about 2/3 of modern Europeans descend from just 3 Bronze Age males, who lived from 3500-7500 years ago. How did that happen? Were these men extremely powerful because they had the best manners, LOL?

I, for one, welcome an authoritarian who puts my family and my interests ahead of third worlders who tend to practice a religion in which people like my family and me are subjected to a jizya tax. I don't see what's so hard about that.

Hi! Concern Troll here. Great article, I agree with you points and/or conclusions. If you could just cuck in this one area then I'm sure the other side would suddenly see the light and agree with us. After all, it's how Judeau-Christ wants us to act.Sincerely,Concern Troll

Per Gateway PunditJonah Goldberg: I think Milo is on cloud nine. He courts this kind of stuff. He feeds on it. He gets much more national exposure. He’s a parasitic relationship with these mobs. I’m sure he’s just delighted by all of it.

I think Milo is on cloud nine. He courts this kind of stuff. He feeds on it. He gets much more national exposure. He’s a parasitic relationship with these mobs. I’m sure he’s just delighted by all of it.

Jonah Goldberg: I think Milo is on cloud nine. He courts this kind of stuff. He feeds on it. He gets much more national exposure. He’s a parasitic relationship with these mobs. I’m sure he’s just delighted by all of it.

It's amazing to watch these guys argue for maintaining the status quo because they know, as surely as they know day follows night, that the kind of populist surge it will take to dismantle it will turn to tyranny. No question about it, that's just how it works.

Which is a position they're allowed to hold, I suppose. But if that's their take, why the last few decades of complaining about the status quo and encouraging people to fund conservative organizations to fight it? Did they really think the Deep State and all the rest of it could be corralled and dragged back to constitutional limits by being nice?

I suppose I'm giving them too much credit by assuming they thought at all.

"True, it is always better to do the right thing than to work unrighteousness under the cover of minding one’s manners."

"But now I will spend the rest of this article arguing the exact opposite, as I've been doing for the last year."

That part at the end is worth noting:

"sooner or later, [Trump is] going to make us take sides. In the moment of testing, you will only be able to make the right call then if you have prepared your conscience, and exercised it by being more faithful to the Truth than to your president."

That right there was Rod preparing his readers for his coming switch to the Democratic Party. It won't be his idea, of course; Trump will have forced him to do it.

The man who literally wrote the book on liberal fascism can't be bothered to take a stand against it when fascism arrives and is beating conservatives in the streets of his own country. That really says everything about him anyone needs to know.

Goldberg should take his more reasonable and approved approach to Berkeley and see how it is received. Still, it was jaw-dropping to see him draw a moral equivalency between speech and violence.

Milo last night said something particularly brilliant. To paraphrase, he told Fox News American institutions, particularly campuses, have become some of the most oppressive places on the planet. Now that violence and possible death are possibilities, he's right. The difference between someone surrounded by a Far Left campus mob or North Korean secret police is no longer distinguishable.

Cail Corishev wrote:That right there was Rod preparing his readers for his coming switch to the Democratic Party. It won't be his idea, of course; Trump will have forced him to do it.

Prescient. And fitting - the Left will rip up a lamppost and cane you with, then say you made them do it. It's never their fault. The Right Side Of History™ or something called for it. Just something you always naturally had coming!

So, to those who were in a hurry yesterday to welcome in NeverTrump cucks who show some signs of getting with the program, because we need all the help we can get -- still feel like rolling out that red carpet?

rcocean wrote:Rod Dreher should be writing for the WaPo. What did he do wrong?

He was shamed into moving back home in order to reconcile with his dying sister. Then he watched his father suffer and die all the while virtue signalling about how noble it was. He will be back to the cocktail circuit just as soon as his latest book tanks.

He's not just a cuck, he's a fucking liar as well. Morsi was deposed by the US-funded Egyptian Army, precisely BECAUSE a democratic election in a Muslim-majority country is going to produce a popular Muslim government, whereas the US Deep State prefers to deal with a Muslim aristocracy tied closely to Washington's apron strings by that self-same funding of the Army that keeps them alive.

Cail Corishev wrote:Variation on the old joke: you're locked in a room with a moderate, a SJW, and two bullets. What do you do?

Shoot the moderate twice to be sure.It'll cow the SJW into submission, that's for sure. If not, you can always pistol-whip him anyway.

Even as today Trump vows to roll back the Johnson Amendment, the cucks are still insisting that he's an authoritarian at heart, who just can't wait to declare martial law and go full Mussolini on the country. Unreal.

The man who literally wrote the book on liberal fascism can't be bothered to take a stand against it when fascism arrives and is beating conservatives in the streets of his own country. That really says everything about him anyone needs to know. That's because America isn't actually (((Jonah's))) country. Although curiously, he probably can't make aliyah either, since his mother wasn't a Jew. He's really putting himself between a rock and a hard place.

Morsi put incompetent imams who'd never balanced a checkbook in charge of everything. Then he backed them in destroying Egypt's tourism industry, which is something like 30% of their national income and employs 12% of the population.

The Egyptian military did their best to keep things running and Morsi was getting 5 billion dollar bridge loans from Obama to keep the lights on until finally the military stepped in to prevent a final crash.

"In other words, we know what kind of president Obama is going to be by the way he has carried out his executive actions so far. He does not consider himself bound by law or custom. He is a law unto himself."

A little revolt against the Progressive Caste System is not that big a deal.

So what some left wing scum from Sarah Silverman who plies her moral authority from something from last century to the vermin of the antifa tyrants are upset that we are exercising our rights and throwing off the PCS.

What a load of crap. I have lived in the south for over 15 years and manners most definitely is NOT sole expression of morality. They will gossip and cut on someone mercilessly while thinking that adding a line of "Bless their hearts" to the end removes all responsibility of being POS.

In general, I like the people of the south. Its why I stay here but don't ever think that a portion of southern people do not use their reputation of hospitality/manners while plotting to shiv in you in the back when the opportunity arises. Lindsey Graham anyone?

Notice the pattern with every successive loss by the nevertrumpers: "I think Trump is mean, therefore:"1. Trump will never win the primaries2. Trump will be blocked from nomination at the convention3. Trump will never win the general election4. Trump will never do the things he promised5. Trump will be stopped by Democrats in Congress6. Trump will be stopped by bureaucrats7. Trump will be stopped by deep state...eventually...10. Trump will be stopped by aliens

Dreher cucks:That doesn’t make him wrong about everything, but it does serve as fair warning to Republicans and conservatives, both on Capitol Hill and out in the country: sooner or later, he’s going to make us take sides.

Note the really scary thing to the Crunchy Cuck in this scenario is being forced to take sides. Sorry Rod, Trump's already on my side. Whose side are you on?

Douthat cucked:The great fear among Trump-fearers is that he will deal with this elite opposition by effectively crushing it — purging the deep state, taming the media, remaking the judiciary as his pawn, and routing or co-opting the Democrats. Note again, what he's afraid of: victory. That's what winning looks like and the mega-cuck is afraid of it. I've never seen it so plainly displayed.

An interesting thing to note: during the campaign, many of these conservative NeverTrumpers claimed they opposed him because he was obviously a liberal just paying lip-service to conservative concerns, and once in office he would be just as liberal as Hillary. In fact, he'd be worse than Hillary because the GOP wouldn't oppose a Republican as much. That was the basis for their principled conservative stand against him.

Now that he's been in office for two weeks, appointing conservative judges and cabinet members, attacking the growth of regulations, and basically working down a conservative wish list, they've effortlessly switched to the position the left held during the campaign: Trump is a dangerous demagogue who will turn America into an authoritarian police state if he's not stopped.

That doesn’t make him wrong about everything, but it does serve as fair warning to Republicans and conservatives, both on Capitol Hill and out in the country: sooner or later, he’s going to make us take sides.

Bill Kristol cucks:

"there’s been too much pseudo-populism, almost too much concern and attention for, quote, the people — that is, the people’s will, their prejudices and their foolish opinions. And in a certain sense, we’re all paying the price for that now. . . . After all, we conservatives are on the side of the lords and barons"http://www.vdare.com/posts/bill-kristols-drawbridge-against-the-peoples-will-their-prejudices-and-their-foolish-opinions-is-all-the-way-down

Resident Moron™ wrote:He's not just a cuck, he's a fucking liar as well. Morsi was deposed by the US-funded Egyptian Army, precisely BECAUSE a democratic election in a Muslim-majority country is going to produce a popular Muslim government, whereas the US Deep State prefers to deal with a Muslim aristocracy tied closely to Washington's apron strings by that self-same funding of the Army that keeps them alive.

I can't see this. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were the people Obama and Clinton wanted in power.

If there was any outside funding for the Egyptian military, a more likely source would be Israel and Netanyahu.

An interesting thing to note: during the campaign, many of these conservative NeverTrumpers claimed they opposed him because he was obviously a liberal just paying lip-service to conservative concerns, and once in office he would be just as liberal as Hillary. In fact, he'd be worse than Hillary because the GOP wouldn't oppose a Republican as much. That was the basis for their principled conservative stand against him.

While Morsi was in power, and this included the period through the coup, we laid the cash on the Egyptian military. The money wasn't cut off until Obama's Muslim Brotherhood pals were kicked to the curb. Resident Moron is right. It's a false analogy, which is among the more utilized tools in Douhat's shed.

He was shamed into moving back home in order to reconcile with his dying sister. Then he watched his father suffer and die all the while virtue signalling about how noble it was. He will be back to the cocktail circuit just as soon as his latest book tanks.He mentioned on his blog and the book about his sister how her kids were taught to distrust him and his family.https://infogalactic.com/info/Rod_DreherSince college he's bounced like a pinball across the country then returned to his hometown. He's described himself with term like (rootless) cosmopolitan and masochist neither of which would describe a Southerner.But describe him quite well.

Obama installed Morsi after toppling Mubarak. A few days after the "election" Morsi came out and announced that he was a modern day Pharaoh. Well that did not set well with the voters so they and General Sisi dumped Obama's man Morsi.

I would tend to believe that Israel was helping Sisi overthrow Morsi. Since Morsi was MB, Sisi threatened the MB with death if he caught them, so they skedaddled.

That is what is partly fueling the Syria problem right now. The MB is homeless and they are trying to steal a nation to turn into their terrorism base of operations.

Somewhat OT: (((Thomas Friedman))) in NYT begs world business leaders to take out Trump, and (((Rosa Brooks))), Obama official, writes in Foreign Policy that perhaps a military coup could take out Trump. Add in (((Goldberg))) endorsing Cali rioters, and we have a lovely trifecta. I may be old and female, but when the cucks' long-feared "rightist tyranny" occurs, I plead to be allowed to join in. Huge quantity of stored up aggression here.

The great fear among Trump-fearers is that he will deal with this elite opposition by effectively crushing it — purging the deep state, taming the media, remaking the judiciary as his pawn, and routing or co-opting the Democrats.

"the active resistance of the Egyptian bureaucracy and intelligentsia, which rendered governance effectively impossible"

That's the problem with "fascist" (not being really, but I'm going to borrow the enemy's terminology for a second, and to them anyone who's not all in for the New World Order is a fascist) leaders like Trump is that the intellectual class by and large, including the bureaucracy, is on the other side. Not all of them are violently opposed to him,and some, in the military, law enforcement, business, etc., are on his side. If all non-"fascists" quit their jobs in protest, there wouldn't be enough people left to run the government. There wouldn't even be petite intellectuals, like teachers. (Though they could be replaced by random adults picked from the street.)

This author imagines there's some independent, impartial (enough), responsible civilization-running class, which we have to fear alienating. No, there are no adults to come save us. There are reasonable, responsible people out there, don't get me wrong. But they're not in power.

The left has control of the institutions. They *are* the bureaucracy and the intelligentsia. If you want to change anything, you can't be polite and do what they want you to do. Because they want to do the opposite of what you want.

You also can't overthrow them and put better people in their place, because like I said there aren't enough. You have to bend them to your will. But how,when from my he cradle they've been bent the other way? Not by being a perfect gentleman.

Another major barrier we face is that the left is fantastic at protecting its radicals. They have the institutional infrastructure to take a guy who literally bombed the pentagon and make him a widely respected professor and then mentor to first black president of the united states. Nobody bats an eye.

Glenn Beck has gone so far off the rails he can't even see the tracks anymore.

#59) For all his foibles, Glenn Beck was remarkably prescient. He called the caliphate. He called the dissolution of the two American pol parties into one. He called the Muslim, Leftist unholy alliance despite having only one thing in common, their hate for Western Civ. He called the anarchy and rioting on campuses and in the streets throughout America. Replay some of those old Fox chalkboard shows and I'll bet you'll be surprised.He missed on Trump and continues to do so. His virtue signaling and ego might not let him get back on track.

@20-That's the gist, but really our manners are bourgeois manners. They evolved so that strangers could do deals and generally live together without undue fear of someone taking advantage of them. (Our political manners are democratic-constitutional manners, but I don't think Dreher's talking about those, really). That's a good thing, but of course if you're the only one abiding by them, and if you ignore those who would take advantage of you when they violate decorum, you are a sucker.

@63 Beck is an interesting case.His Monologue Today (text) is a case in point, but where you can see how deep the cuck-hole goes.If I get some downtime, I will highlight the number of condemnations of Milo as Gobbels v.s. the condemnations of antifa violence. On both quantity and quality, he sounds more against Milo than against Antifa.

He advertises a lot of guns and apparently owns one. Right now what would he or his security team do if he was in the middle of an antifa riot? Would he talk or shoot?

Molyneux asks almost to the point of tears, "Is the time for argument over". He asked for responses, but while I said "yes" tracing it to "It's ok to kill Nazis, i.e. Trump supporters", I also noted they are confining themselves to burning their own blue areas.

One old book in my library is The Roots of Violence by the late Fr. Vincent Micelli - SJWs Always Lie is the practical echo since his point is that the root is rejection of the truth.

You can't have a discussion, evidence and reason don't matter. Rhetoric can't work. Because the goal is to enlighten someone to the truth.

I think one reason I can sympathize is I see the same idealistic desire in myself and Molyneux to wish (with all the silly romanticism it implies) that we could still talk and not have to shoot.

The moment you admit you might have to shoot - use violence against violence - and Ghandi and MLKjr would just end up dead if they continued to argue with the same people - you become alt-Right. Milo is even if he doesn't want to admit it after Orlando.

In one of Molyneux call-ins there were two Deploraball attendees that noted the Police didn't intervene.

WHERE ARE THE COPS? That is going to be a serious issue, problem, or something going forward. Why bother with police that won't bust the heads of people busting innocent heads in front of them? Who tear down barricades.

But they look so neat in their riot gear. Posturing and preening. But no policing.

I shifted early because I knew history, lived in these areas and understood how they thought. You couldn't be a good Jew under the Nazis, and you can't be a good Trump supporter (or even neutral) under Antifa.

There is a tiny window where Police might stop it, but the fact most have become bullies - they will tase and beat one citizen but 100 riot police won't attack 125 antifas - means they will let the Chaos happen.

Another major barrier we face is that the left is fantastic at protecting its radicals.

The problem is the thin blue line bullies who will bash the heads in of someone who doesn't get his license out fast enough won't bash the heads in of a bunch of people setting fires and throwing bricks.

The man who literally wrote the book on liberal fascism can't be bothered to take a stand against it when fascism arrives and is beating conservatives in the streets of his own country. That really says everything about him anyone needs to know.

@83Now that he's been in office for two weeks, appointing conservative judges and cabinet members, attacking the growth of regulations, and basically working down a conservative wish list, they've effortlessly switched to the position the left held during the campaign: Trump is a dangerous demagogue who will turn America into an authoritarian police state if he's not stopped.

@13-I think he means two things by the "Southern child" comment: first, that civility itself is morally admirable; second, that good little boys are polite. But what he actually said is supremely stupid. Were people to believe it, manners would be the greatest Godsend imaginable to the occupation of the confidence man.

99. tublecane: Much of the bureaucracy and intelligence won't need replacing. For example, we would not need to replace all the teachers who are currently being paid to babysit Dindus or the wetbacks and their spawn. The universities can largely be dispensed with, so there's no need to replace most of the professors. Welfare bureaucrats, gone, and not replaced. Mainstream protestant clergy? Pull their tax exemptions, and seize their property for harboring illegals.

Those leftists that have useful skills and can't be immediately replaced can be kept in line with sticks and carrots. They are not any braver than the ordinary snowflake-in-the-street, and they like a secure pension as much as anybody.

The problem is the thin blue line bullies who will bash the heads in of someone who doesn't get his license out fast enough won't bash the heads in of a bunch of people setting fires and throwing bricks.

I dunno, from my acquaintances I think the average cop is /ourguy/ but is being held back by operational concerns, cuckoldry or cowardice.

Anyway, that's tactical stuff. The left can wreck the life of a guy who says mean things on the internet. The right can't stop a guy who bombed the pentagon from becoming a tenured professor and then presidential whisperer. It's infuriating, but that's the way it is right now.

@79-That was the funniest sentence of the article. First of all, he's already taken a side: neverTrump. Secondly, what is the conceit, that he's to be an impartial observer? That we don't have an adversarial political system? What?

Worth remembering that Dreher has been policing comments at his site for a few years now, so he lives in a hugbox or echo chamber. He's just not used to people disagreeing with him, especially from a position of knowledge. Anonymous Conservative might say that Dreher's amygdala is so skewed the truth hurts him. It literally is painful to him.

Not my problem, but anyone who wants to trigger him shouldn't find it too difficult to do.

Worth remembering that Dreher has been policing comments at his site for a few years now, so he lives in a hugbox or echo chamber. He's just not used to people disagreeing with him, especially from a position of knowledge. Anonymous Conservative might say that Dreher's amygdala is so skewed the truth hurts him. It literally is painful to him.

Not my problem, but anyone who wants to trigger him shouldn't find it too difficult to do.

od Dreher implicitly alludes in his column that we'll have to answer to God due to Trump going right up to everyone's tolerance level or some nonesense. He actually said it's better to lose with honor than win with dishonor! To paraphrase John Schindler, we're talking about the survival our republic and, more importantly, the American nation! Go sit in the corner while the adults do the talking and moving.

"jonah cuckberg has come out on the side of the berkley rioters. no surprise there."

"As for Douhat, he would welcome such a coup but fears it might disrupt his life and, God forbid, fail. These people are just as monstrous as the left-wing enemies they serve as propaganda media janissaries. "

Media janissaries *snickers*

"For example, new genetic research shows that about 2/3 of modern Europeans descend from just 3 Bronze Age males, who lived from 3500-7500 years ago. How did that happen? Were these men extremely powerful because they had the best manners, LOL?"

@25 He'd probably say they were the Ward Cleavers of their day, that consent is sexy (thank you SHARP training, heh! All the guys I knew at Fort Irwin that I talked to hated it), etc.

"McCain never saw an oppurtunity to cuck that he didn't like; calls Australian ambassador to countersignal."

@43 If he continues doing that (no evidence he has yet to the Aussies), Trump ought to get the DOJ to charge him under the Logan Act. Charges wouldn't stick but it'd be funny to see McCain blubber.

"NR and Goldberg's shtick is always be the "reasonable" conservative."

"He's not just a cuck, he's a fucking liar as well. Morsi was deposed by the US-funded Egyptian Army, precisely BECAUSE a democratic election in a Muslim-majority country is going to produce a popular Muslim government, whereas the US Deep State prefers to deal with a Muslim aristocracy tied closely to Washington's apron strings by that self-same funding of the Army that keeps them alive."

@65 So you'd rather have the Muslim Brotherhood in power?

"1. Trump will never win the primaries2. Trump will be blocked from nomination at the convention3. Trump will never win the general election4. Trump will never do the things he promised5. Trump will be stopped by Democrats in Congress6. Trump will be stopped by bureaucrats7. Trump will be stopped by deep state ...eventually... 10. Trump will be stopped by aliens"

"Trump is a dangerous demagogue who will turn America into an authoritarian police state if he's not stopped."

@83 A Dutch friend compared him to Chávez. We. don't. care.

"Rush Limbaugh is sounding almost like Vox on the radio right now. Saying that America was basically founded by white, Christian Europeans and that it's not a "nation of immigrants". Rush going full Alt-Right would be very helpful to the cause."

@86 I heard that, couldn't help but smile.

"Somewhat OT: (((Thomas Friedman))) in NYT begs world business leaders to take out Trump, and (((Rosa Brooks))), Obama official, writes in Foreign Policy that perhaps a military coup could take out Trump. Add in (((Goldberg))) endorsing Cali rioters, and we have a lovely trifecta. I may be old and female, but when the cucks' long-feared "rightist tyranny" occurs, I plead to be allowed to join in. Huge quantity of stored up aggression here."

@94 I hate the CFR as they're one-worlders and act like with that rag (((Foreign Policy))) that they own a monopoly on IR thought, Friedman due to his douchiness, and Brooks due to being an Obama official.

"Worth remembering that Dreher has been policing comments at his site for a few years now, so he lives in a hugbox or echo chamber. He's just not used to people disagreeing with him, especially from a position of knowledge. Anonymous Conservative might say that Dreher's amygdala is so skewed the truth hurts him. It literally is painful to him. Not my problem, but anyone who wants to trigger him shouldn't find it too difficult to do."

Oh, they're there. If you don't believe it just try defending yourself. Unless there are at least 12 of you doing so, you'll be the ones in jail. Nothing personal, you understand, just following orders.

The program, "Countering Violent Extremism," or CVE, would be changed to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States.

Dreher and Douthat are just doing their jobs. Sheepdog for the old uniparty trying to scare the wayward sheep back into the fold. Fake opposition to the liberal establishment. Professional concern trolls.

After all, here comes a brash man that says collegiality and decorum are bullshit. That sitting on your ass penning opinion columns is not going to spur change and that actual action with measurable results is called for.

"there’s been too much pseudo-populism, almost too much concern and attention for, quote, the people — that is, the people’s will, their prejudices and their foolish opinions. And in a certain sense, we’re all paying the price for that now. . . . After all, we conservatives are on the side of the lords and barons"

Kristol is a perfect example of why easy-bake ovens need to be manufactured right here in Murika. Bring the jobs back home!

Just to clear things up, Obama administration supported the Morsi revolution as Arab Spring. When the Muslim Brotherhood proved they could not "take out the trash" or run a couontry without leading to another Syria, THEN they had him deposed.

OT: my bet is a #nevertrumper made the call to Naval Special Operations Command HQ to complain about a flag. Because Navy SEALs don't have anything better than being entertainment for butthurt cucks or lefties.

Then you said, No, you're wrong! Egyptian Army deposed him because reasons.

[eyeroll]

As for "The Egyptian Army did their best to keep things running" ... yeah, sure. They're just patriots and choir boys.

@mushroom: Obama and Clinton have periodically served the deep state slavishly, and occasionally bucked them. Remember Clinton's "Mubarak sleeps in Chelsea's bed when he visits" moment? Clinton and Obama were shocked by the consequences of the Arab Spring (in a moment oddly reminiscent of the shock when the Soviets fell). The dynamics are more complex than simply two factions.

But there's a very powerful conglomerate of convenience that prefers to simply fund the Army directly and use that funding as a lever of control. The US is doing this in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Egypt. (And Israel.) It doesn't always work but it has been very successful in most of those cases.

"If there was any outside funding for the Egyptian military, a more likely source would be Israel and Netanyahu."

Obama stopped funding them for a while when the Army first took over, but resumed direct funding of Egyptian Army in 2015, currently to the tune of about 1.5 billions annually.

Not to say Israel is not also involved, but they don't tend to do it by openly funding the military.

@susan: interesting points, but I don't see that Morsi was Obama's man in Cairo. Even if he were, he sure wasn't the deep state's man in Cairo.

...@117: "So you'd rather have the Muslim Brotherhood in power?"

Try reading for comprehension. I made no comment on the desirability of any of these events under discussion. I simply pointed out that they facts are otherwise from the way Dreher presented them.

The astonishing audacity and recklessness with which Trump has begun his presidency is a bad sign. For me, it is not so much what he has done (though I do object to some of it) as it is the reckless manner in which he has done it. As every well-raised Southern child knows, manners express morality. Yes, manners are artificial, but they embody a social code that governs the conduct of people who live under it.

As every Southern Child knows, Trump is a Yankee. Not know for having Southern manners. Is this really that hard?

sooner or later, he’s going to make us take sides.---This is the root of the matter for a Cuck. They have been found out as not being on the right side, it's uncivilized to be forced to admit it in the open :P