This isn't a small business Trump can bully until they give in. This is a sovereign country we need roughly as much as they need us.

Mexicans send roughly $20 billion to Mexico a year. A nice 25% tax on that could pay for a lot of fencing. Or, just make for a nice bargaining chip.

__________________A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

This isn't a small business Trump can bully until they give in. This is a sovereign country we need roughly as much as they need us.

And this comes at an awkward moment.
So many posts to fill...

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Washington (CNN) — The chief of US Border Patrol has departed the agency, Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Thursday -- the day after President Donald Trump signed executive orders aimed at beefing up border security.

It was not clear whether he had resigned or was asked to leave.

Border Patrol Chief Mark Morgan's departure is not uncommon in a presidential transition. The head of the Transportation Security Administration, Peter Neffenger, also left in the transfer of power. He had been willing to stay on, but the Trump administration had not asked him to until he had already made other plans.

Yes that went really well. Trump tried to make a power play and threatened to cancel and EPN turned around and pretty much told Trump take your meeting and your wall and shove it, I'm staying home.

Exactly. It's not like the United States has any real options to exert any real pressure on the economically secure powerhouse that is Mexico. Now that this critical meeting has been cancelled, Mexico holds all the cards.

I think Trump should walk away from the wall and offer them a bunch of free piñatas in an effort to diffuse this powder keg.

From your posts it is clear you are much more of a checkers player than a chess player. Do you knees ever ache with all the jerking?

Your posts make it clear you have nothing to ever add to the topic.

For over a year we've been hearing this big bold plan to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. After much fanfare, Trump signed a meaningless executive order yesterday that only reaffirms that big plan yet mentions nothing about how to execute it, especially the financial aspect of who will be footing the bill.

For over a year we've been hearing this big bold plan to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. After much fanfare, Trump signed a meaningless executive order yesterday that only reaffirms that big plan yet mentions nothing about how to execute it, especially the financial aspect of who will be footing the bill.

Comment about that?

It ain't over. All the comment necessary. You're just like a five year-old on a road trip "Is it built, yet? Is it built yet?"

__________________A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

This isn't a small business Trump can bully until they give in. This is a sovereign country we need roughly as much as they need us.

Trump is negotiating from a position of power. Make no mistake about it Mexico needs us way more than we need Mexico.

Plus this is a political move by PN. His approval ratings in Mexico are sucking hind tit. This is a move to try and bolster is approval in Mexico. At the end of the day he will meet with Trump and they will end up paying for the wall because it's in their best interest.

Sounds like a thorny hedgerow would count. Or a ditch. Or maybe some rottweilers with a strategic roaming range.

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Originally Posted by Basura Blanca

Your posts make it clear you have nothing to ever add to the topic.

For over a year we've been hearing this big bold plan to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it. After much fanfare, Trump signed a meaningless executive order yesterday that only reaffirms that big plan yet mentions nothing about how to execute it, especially the financial aspect of who will be footing the bill.

Comment about that?

I'm sorry, I missed your insightful analysis. You like to make pithy comments as do I. You like to focus on your customary targets as do I.

You also have tried to create a environment where you can blast away at Trump and never be wrong. Start with your "He isn't doing what he promised" thread. Next spend a moment in your "Oh my GAWD, the idiot is actually doing it" thread before swinging by the "Well, he's doing it but not the way he said he said he was going to do it" thread.

The icing on the cake is that you get to call anyone who calls you out a Trump supporter. While most in here prefer to ridicule the politicians they like the least, I prefer to focus on the critics themselves.

The executive order includes a clause to conduct a study over a six month period to determine the feasibility of the wall. It took me (and a million other people prior) approximately five minutes to find all the private land holdings that would have to be forfeited for this to happen, including a huge 75 mile stretch of SOVEREIGN Native American territory.

How much more technical consideration does this need when all the problems with which this border wall is fraught have been known for years, decades even?

And how is Mexico going to be compelled to pay for it all? None of these details exist. Still.

I'm sorry, I missed your insightful analysis. You like to make pithy comments as do I. You like to focus on your customary targets as do I.

You also have tried to create a environment where you can blast away at Trump and never be wrong. Start with your "He isn't doing what he promised" thread. Next spend a moment in your "Oh my GAWD, the idiot is actually doing it" thread before swinging by the "Well, he's doing it but not the way he said he said he was going to do it" thread.

The icing on the cake is that you get to call anyone who calls you out a Trump supporter. While most in here prefer to ridicule the politicians they like the least, I prefer to focus on the critics themselves.

He's not doing it though. That's the point. That was the point of the thread and the reason for the inclusion of the link which (had you read it) is the language of the E/O verbatim directly from the whitehouse.

Stuff that's been discussed for months here which the defenders of Trump kept insisting should be held off on until the orders actually came through is now available to examine. The details aren't there. Still.

So the question remains: How is this going to happen and who will pay for it?

Trump is negotiating from a position of power. Make no mistake about it Mexico needs us way more than we need Mexico.

Plus this is a political move by PN. His approval ratings in Mexico are sucking hind tit. This is a move to try and bolster is approval in Mexico. At the end of the day he will meet with Trump and they will end up paying for the wall because it's in their best interest.

I have a bridge I insist you pay to build and which then I would like to sell you.

The executive order includes a clause to conduct a study over a six month period to determine the feasibility of the wall. It took me (and a million other people prior) approximately five minutes to find all the private land holdings that would have to be forfeited for this to happen, including a huge 75 mile stretch of SOVEREIGN Native American territory.

How much more technical consideration does this need when all the problems with which this border wall is fraught have been known for years, decades even?

And how is Mexico going to be compelled to pay for it all? None of these details exist. Still.

Patience, Grasshopper, patience.

__________________A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

I'm sorry, I missed your insightful analysis. You like to make pithy comments as do I. You like to focus on your customary targets as do I.

You also have tried to create a environment where you can blast away at Trump and never be wrong. Start with your "He isn't doing what he promised" thread. Next spend a moment in your "Oh my GAWD, the idiot is actually doing it" thread before swinging by the "Well, he's doing it but not the way he said he said he was going to do it" thread.

The icing on the cake is that you get to call anyone who calls you out a Trump supporter. While most in here prefer to ridicule the politicians they like the least, I prefer to focus on the critics themselves.

That #1Douchbag guy has been starting a lot of woe is me pity party threads lately....