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agreed about kerry..when he would **** his arm back, you knew he was confident..sometimes he just looked lost

he was a player who just started to reach the age where he would start paying dividends, and then was shipped to the Black Hole. aside from the Super Bowl, he was a very good postseason player throughout his career. just very immature coming out of penn state.

easy to say when the likes of glenn parker, dusty zeigler, old lomas brown, jeff roehl were protecting him with one WR the entire time

Kerry Collins cowardice made me want to vomit...........I never once saw the guy step up in the pocket to avoid a rush........What an embarassment that guy was

His one highlight was Minny 41-0.........then he came out in the SB throwing Piks like he was getting a Pik bonus

The sad part was he replaced a guy who took us to the playoffs- Danny Kannel- a great game manager, and nifty runner. Its always about the arm......when as Parcells once said- 90% of the QB position is between the ears

his last year in '64 , the Giants went 2-10-2
and YA had only 10 td's vs 22 pics.i don't even think Dave Brown can match that.
hey , he did really great for a temp hired gun.....but he wasn't a Giant long enough to qualify.

there were only 14 teams (10 of which sucked) and 2 divisions.....the championship was the ONLY playoff game.
he choked all 3 times......3 times 1 and done. (Romo-esque)
even Kerry Collins had a few post season wins (as an old hired gun....and equatable to YA as such)

this guy was one of the games all-time famous-for-nothing legends. Kelly...Tarkenton....there is
a long list of QB's with equal or better stats that never won anything.
he probably isn't even in the top 10 best of the ones without a ring.

Marino,Tarkenton,Moon,Kelly.....etc.

for the record...
26th all-time passing yards. which is very respectable ,but not top 10.
18th all time in TD's (242) pretty good , but still not even close to top 10.

the only thing YA tittle was in the top 10 in was.....
9th all-time in interceptions thrown.
he threw 248 int's , but only 242 TD's

he actually threw 6 more pics than td's.
not even Favre can say that !!

in the '61 championship game we got shut out 37 to nothing - Bart Starr 37 YA 0
in the '62 championship game our only score was a defensive touchdown . YA 0
in the '63 championship game , YA threw 5 pics.

overrated , over-hyped ....regular season stats but big choker in the big games.

you obviously never saw him play

that "big choker" has a gold jacket .....thats how much he choked

go look up Gale Sayers stats.....and Lynn Swanns stats.....were they over hyped and overrated as well?

3 straight championship losses......couldn't win the big one
anyways with only a 4 year body of work to be classified as an all=time greatest on
any team is just ludicrous .
when Payton retires in 2 years is he gonna be the greatest Bronco ?
get real.

it is not important how you feel about this ....not at all

it is important how the Maras feel about it

and they feel he is one of the best Giants of all time.......retired his number out of respect for what he did for this organization

and his bust sits in the Legacy room of the stadium....and it also sits in a little room Canton Ohio

so yours and my opinion = absolutely meaningless

Maras opinion = everything

opinion of his peers = everything

and the Peyton comparison is completely ridiculous

Peyton and Montana have championships in their previous cities......they are heroes there....icons