Batman vs. Superman: Fans won't influence film

That's the spirit! Fight for that creative ability! Yes indeed... Just say NO to stupid things like what generations of fans may like. After all,
this guy has Man of Steel and Dark Knight to his credit. He knows what an audience loves better than they do!

LONDON (AP) — Super heroes don't bow to fan pressure — that's according to screenwriter David S. Goyer, who is co-writing the new "Batman
vs. Superman" movie.

He's currently working on the script for the upcoming comic book character showdown with director Zach Snyder.

Goyer says "if I try to think about 'well, what would the fans like...?' then you stop being
creative."

....and they actually wonder why sales for tickets are way down and attendance to movies has gone badly for years? This is a mystery? They openly
state what we want or care about is of no concern to them...and they have to ask why we give THEM no concern in return?

Batman vs. Superman? How about Logic vs. Arrogance. There won't be a Superhero showdown if the second one carried the day. Fans don't *WANT* to see
two Superheros they grew up with, trying to kill EACH OTHER. Is anything even remotely sacred anymore or is destroying everything of any meaning from
the past simply the point at all costs?

How about entirely new movies rather than part xxxx of old ones? I'm not sure Hollywood would know a new and novel idea if it was handed to them
with a bow around it.

If it is anything like the latest Superman/Jesus movie I will not be watching.
I did enjoy the comic books where they had a rumble though, can't remember what it was called but I will go for batman v superman

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But I always thought it silly..Superman could kill Batman in a second.

Well, yes, there is that too. Whatever fancy or goofy tricks they play..for movie lore, it still comes down to a real simple fact. Superman
is..well... Super. Batman is a mortal man dressed up in a really cool costume of body armor. Super beats Armor every time...unless kryptonite comes
off the 'ol bat belt. Then I guess it might be half way even for a short time.

I'd have to agree on the mega-stars too. One of the more attractive things about Terminator 2 was the use of a kid right off the street with minimal
acting help before filming. That gave it the look of being authentic the over-done super-stars lost the ability to match a long time ago.

Wrabbit2000
They openly state what we want or care about is of no concern to them...and they have to ask why we give THEM no concern in return?

I'm actually going to defend Zack Snyder on this one.

Many film makers spend years to decades doing a lot of things they don't want before ever getting anything close to what they want. Sam Rami almost
had his career ruined early on because of studio involvement, and Rami's run on the Spiderman franchise was likely ended by back lot politics, it
certainly suffered in quality.

Studios pay a pile attention to what audiences 'want' and that's why they make the decisions they do. Script pitches are worded as ... 'a high
concept coming of age disney story crossed with Die Hard' for a reason, because they're driven by audience sales. You almost don't see a script
sale that can't be related to something that has done well.

Audiences are to blame for the lack of new comers and originality in the industry, because they won't go and see a film without it starring
Angelina Jolie, co-starring Al Pacino, and being directed by a fireball artist on a streak. That's why a very small group of people in big films make
all the money because they're literally a brand.

When Hollywood doesn't go high concept they get punished. Look up the ticket sales of films such as Memento and Fight Club and compare them to some
of the highest grossing films of all time. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull is in the top 50, Independence Day is up there, Fast & The Furious 6
... Feel like taking rat poison yet?

Whilst I think investors over rate the value of bankable talent, and I don't believe tickets sold equate to quality, audiences are the ones training
Hollywood not the other way around. Audiences don't support intelligent original films (low concept) so Hollywood doesn't make those films.

I think Zack Snyder is probably making a mistake and perhaps Goyer too, but its been earned after two long successful careers ushering in a new
explosive era of cinema.

I'd disagree entirely with the idea that new ideas can't go anywhere or that risky films by Hollywood's standards can do very well. Ask Mel Gibson
about how going off your own direction and laughing at convention works out. In fact, his raging success with Passion of the Christ is #8 for most
profitable films of all time. That was even an extreme Christian movie. A double whammy and one I understand he was told he was insane to attempt
before it became an all time record breaker.

Not a single movie in the top 15 is a sequel and while a few are made from very well known books? I don't immediately see a remake from an old one
either ...though I'm no expert to say none couldn't have an older version I never heard of.

Perhaps original ideas have some room left to go. I can say I haven't been to a theater but a couple times in several years for lack of anything
worth what I'd pay that money for. Redbox? perhaps... Theater? Not for this junk.

They can write movies for each other or they can write movies for the audiences. They seem to be choosing each other. Whatever... it goes with the
award shows they have for each other that fewer and fewer people are bothering to watch, too.

I love Superheroes and Superhero movies but in the past year I have gone to see ZERO in the theater. I have not been to one since the Avengers. I will
wait till they are on demand or whatever media they decide to change to!

Marvel was right to gather their characters back up and under one license, DC should do the same and stick to the history or at least stay true to
what has been written!

I'd disagree entirely with the idea that new ideas can't go anywhere or that risky films by Hollywood's standards can do very well. Ask Mel Gibson
about how going off your own direction and laughing at convention works out. In fact, his raging success with Passion of the Christ is #8 for most
profitable films of all time. That was even an extreme Christian movie. A double whammy and one I understand he was told he was insane to attempt
before it became an all time record breaker.

Not a single movie in the top 15 is a sequel and while a few are made from very well known books? I don't immediately see a remake from an old one
either ...though I'm no expert to say none couldn't have an older version I never heard of.

Perhaps original ideas have some room left to go. I can say I haven't been to a theater but a couple times in several years for lack of anything
worth what I'd pay that money for. Redbox? perhaps... Theater? Not for this junk.

They can write movies for each other or they can write movies for the audiences. They seem to be choosing each other. Whatever... it goes with the
award shows they have for each other that fewer and fewer people are bothering to watch, too.

Gibson also made the little heard of but incredible "Apocalypto". No one went to see it because Rob Schneider took out a page in the NY Times to
complain about the ethnocentrism of "Passion" and how it accurately portrayed the JEWISH people yelled for Christ's death. Pilate washed his hands
of it. I consider Pilate to be one of the most unfortunate characters of the NT. It seemed he really didn't want to kill Jesus. But since he upset
the high priests who had quite a racket going with selling sacrificial animals for way over market value...Pilate didn't want the riot that came in
69-70. Hell, it was bad enough to be governor over a prefecture that would be like watching over snake handlers in West Virginia with all of the
landscape looking like western Kansas...when you could be hanging in Rome with all the orgies and good food and all...

Back on topic:

The Dark Knight Returns-
Frank Miller.

Whoever has not read it. Do so. Then feel free to comment. It's over 25 years old. And yeah...Batman kicked Clark's ass...

Apoco-what? lol... Yeah, I missed that one too. I also wasn't one of his fans on Christ. If I wanted to watch 2+ hours of flogging and torture mixed
with total boredom in foreign languages? I'd tune in to coverage from the UN General Assembly floor. At least that's timely....but one can't argue
the success of it.

Then he also made We Were Soldiers and Braveheart. I'd consider them both defining movies for their selected topics. A couple Vietnam vets, including
my Father, mentioned back when it came out that it was as close as they'd seen to the real thing on screen. That is his success I think. Good old
fashioned hard work to make the film accurate to the topic by research and caring to get it right.

If more Hollywood studios focused on that and less on retreads of what they figure will work just because the last one did...or a couple back, in some
cases, ...they may have a much better time in box office take.

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