"I don't know anything and I have no experience, but based on some crap I heard once on TV and some youtube videos I didn't watch the whole way through here's Jesus riding a dinosaur a bunch of things that won't stop crime but would me feel good because I'm very ignorant and truly believe I'll be Rambo"

Believe it or not, that actually describes an anti-gun person more accurately.

No real hunters use AR-15s for hunting game. Only dumbass fat asses that can barely make it 50 yards from their cars without a Hoveround pretend they are useful for hunting. If you weigh 300 lbs and can run the 40 yard dash in 10 minutes, then the AR-15 is your weapon.

I'm from Kansas. My family has hunted for years. I own over 50 firearms myself. We have over 6000 acres of land that people hunt on every year. We have hunting lodges that house hundreds of hunters every season that come to hunt game. In the last 30 years, not a single hunter has ever come to hunt game and brought an AR-15 as their weapon of choice. None of them has ever brought a magazine that holds 30 rounds.

To pretend that every tom dick and harry needs an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine is just stupid. If your government wanted to destroy you, they will do it from 50,000 feet in the sky with unmanned drones. Your stupid little AR-15 will do nothing to stop it you fat slob.

doglover:DubtodaIll: doglover: DubtodaIll: Also how close are we to ray guns?

Ray guns don't work in atmosphere.

Aw man really? Well why the hell not? I'm just antsy for the next step forward in personal weapon technology. And no strapping a computer to a bullet firing gun doesn't count. I'm talking lasers or electromagnetic manipulation or deatomization or something we don't even have words for yet.

Well we have ray weapons. The navy has laser guns that can blow a missile in flight. But the reason only the navy has that is because only the nave has floating multi-ton weapons platforms with nuclear reactors generating infinite electricity. Scaled up, rays work.

But anything you can carry? It's too little oomph to be effective. The best you can do is a laser that break optics.

Well we started with bombards and eventually got to derringers yeah? Time invents all things.

simkatu:To pretend that every tom dick and harry needs an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine is just stupid. If your government wanted to destroy you, they will do it from 50,000 feet in the sky with unmanned drones. Your stupid little AR-15 will do nothing to stop it you fat slob.

But imagine the fun of 100 ketchup-filled barbie dolls and a high-speed video camera....

No real hunters use AR-15s for hunting game. Only dumbass fat asses that can barely make it 50 yards from their cars without a Hoveround pretend they are useful for hunting. If you weigh 300 lbs and can run the 40 yard dash in 10 minutes, then the AR-15 is your weapon.

They're excellent for taking down a whole herd of feral hogs though, so I don't think they're quite as useless as you make out.

Lenny_da_Hog:simkatu: To pretend that every tom dick and harry needs an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine is just stupid. If your government wanted to destroy you, they will do it from 50,000 feet in the sky with unmanned drones. Your stupid little AR-15 will do nothing to stop it you fat slob.

But imagine the fun of 100 ketchup-filled barbie dolls and a high-speed video camera....

I've been to a few 'gun shows' over the years and discovered that, apparently, nearly any semiautomatic rifle can be 'modified' to full auto or close to it.

Usually, you can buy kits to do this from other dealers who legally sell them separate from the weapon. Back then, you could. Not now -- at least while identified as a conversion kit. Call them spare parts and sell away. Another booth will sell you the printed installation instructions.

All of this under the eyes of cops, who patrol the shows.

The 'duh' item I saw was a lever-like addition for a .22 rifle. Kind of like the lever on a lever action Winchester. You clipped it in place, a nob fit next to the trigger, cocked the gun and worked the lever with your fingers, while shouldering it. It never let the trigger fully return, meaning the gun was half cocked at all times, so as you pumped the lever, the weapon fired. The nob acted like a cam. The .22 went off like a machine gun.

The next legal gun I saw was a home built .22 machine gun, complete with tripod. It was legal because, like a gatling gun, you had to turn a crank on the side. The thing was fitted with an enormous barrel magazine -- like a Thompson submachine gun.

It just got rather creepy wandering around those shows because every vendor had a carry permit and was armed. Even old grandma sitting and knitting as grandpaw sold his assortment of high caliber pistols and big, heavy duty plastic bags of shiny new cartridges or reloads.

One thing about owning a gun, especially a high caliber, semiauto one, is you want to shoot it. The power to kill and injure at a distance is a strong lure. I've been to many a bar where drunk patrons got false courage because they were packing and folks got hurt.

TV and movies have brought the abilities of military weapons to our attention and, naturally, certain folks just gotta have one. If they could get their hands on RPG's, they'd stock up on 'em. (To be used for hunting, of course. Rabbits.)

Game wardens are forever confiscating military weapons from hunters who tried to sneak them into hunting grounds. Miss that deer on the first shot, and you just keep on spraying until you get it.

It's kind of like those folks who insist on going fishing with dynamite or hand grenades.

IMO, you don't need military weapons. The best shots I know of started out with and still use bolt action weapons. Many used single shot types, which made you take time to aim because your prey could be in the next county by the time you reloaded.

I know a guy who owns a .50 automatic. He's a collector. Each shot costs him $5.00 and he has a couple of cases of ammo. Big shells.

I also knew folks who bought these 'burglar traps', a cylinder with a cocking mechanism that chambered a shotgun shell. A clamp was welded to it. No trigger. Just a ring you attached a string to, pulled and cocked the thing. You fixed it out of sight to door frames or whatever, ran the string low through eye rings and waited. Anyone walking past who hit the string, got a load of buckshot at close range.

Some farmers who had these old houses full of antiques on their lands got tired of them being broken into by antique hunters and wired them up with these things. A few farmers went to jail when their traps crippled folks who thought the houses were abandoned.

Militants used them to booby trap trails to their bunkers. You could buy camouflaged wire and cord for them.

I own guns, but no military types.

I used to be a courier in another city. I'd arrive early, as manager, to open up the station. It wasn't unusual to find a spent shell or two in the parking lot. Sometimes I could find where they hit the cement walls. They were fired from at least a mile away.

In the same city I worked in a psychiatric institution on the outskirts of a high crime area. Every New Years Eve we had to keep the patients confined to the inner rooms, away from the windows because it sounded like a war out there at night. We could hear spent shells hitting the roof.

Unfortunately, the Right to bear arms means morons and psychopaths can get them also.

juvandy:No real hunters use AR-15s for hunting game. Only dumbass fat asses that can barely make it 50 yards from their cars without a Hoveround pretend they are useful for hunting. If you weigh 300 lbs and can run the 40 yard dash in 10 minutes, then the AR-15 is your weapon.

They're excellent for taking down a whole herd of feral hogs though, so I don't think they're quite as useless as you make out.

Surpheon:Why not just split off the states that have the toughest gun control laws now rather than dividing it 50/50? With the exception of Texas, you'll have just made a third world nation with an economy smaller than Mexico's. But I'm sure it's just coincidence those lib states have higher average income, property values, industry, education level, etc...

Any tips on how best to be born on third base?

Almost all the top states in income have been the top states in income from long before they became blue strongholds. But good job on inheriting the high standard of living. Must have been real tough to pull off.

Government Fromage:Der Poopflinger: lewismarktwo: I was wondering when the media would start to make hay from bump fire...

bump firing from the hip is one thing, this is kind of different dont you think. hip fire in inaccurate, that "add-on" is accurate.

Although not this particular device, I've seen a few similar things at the range over the years. They usually make things pretty inaccurate and not very reliable.

Just too darn expensive. Bump firing was fun the first few times, but after like two mags your kinda bored with not being able to hit anything. Plus bump firing 30_06 is retard levels of expensive. Also this is getting news and will most likely get banned. Actually being used in a crime or not doesnt matter, just like .50 bmg here in california. It scary, for some reason.

What military uses a semiautomatic ar-15? The US is a nation that suffers 75,000 alcohol related deaths a year. A few dead kids is a drop in the barrel

HERP in a nation responsible for the deaths of millions A DERP (millions?) due to imperialism. Nice treyvon reference, I bet you think it's okay to assault somebody for following you down the street. A DERP

imthefonze:Government Fromage: Der Poopflinger: lewismarktwo: I was wondering when the media would start to make hay from bump fire...

bump firing from the hip is one thing, this is kind of different dont you think. hip fire in inaccurate, that "add-on" is accurate.

Although not this particular device, I've seen a few similar things at the range over the years. They usually make things pretty inaccurate and not very reliable.

Just too darn expensive. Bump firing was fun the first few times, but after like two mags your kinda bored with not being able to hit anything. Plus bump firing 30_06 is retard levels of expensive. Also this is getting news and will most likely get banned. Actually being used in a crime or not doesnt matter, just like .50 bmg here in california. It scary, for some reason.

Yep. Fun once or twice. Then you have to load your magazines, and you start realizing how much money you just wasted for a couple seconds of "woohoo" time. Every time I've ever seen someone show up at the range with one of these types of things, it's been "for sale" by the time they leave.

lol on the .50. I have yet to ever hear of one of them being used in a crime.

Mrbogey:Surpheon: Why not just split off the states that have the toughest gun control laws now rather than dividing it 50/50? With the exception of Texas, you'll have just made a third world nation with an economy smaller than Mexico's. But I'm sure it's just coincidence those lib states have higher average income, property values, industry, education level, etc...

Any tips on how best to be born on third base?

Almost all the top states in income have been the top states in income from long before they became blue strongholds. But good job on inheriting the high standard of living. Must have been real tough to pull off.

Interesting that the more "blue" a state gets, and the longer a state stays "blue", the lower the average income, property values, industry, educations levels, etc... get. Almost like a state develops a high standard of living, which then attracts a certain segment of society that happens to vote democratic, which then institutes policies that lower the states standard of living. See: California, Michigan, New Jersey, and soon to be the PacNW and New England in 15-20 years.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:Interesting that the more "blue" a state gets, and the longer a state stays "blue", the lower the average income, property values, industry, educations levels, etc... get. Almost like a state develops a high standard of living, which then attracts a certain segment of society that happens to vote democratic, which then institutes policies that lower the states standard of living. See: California, Michigan, New Jersey, and soon to be the PacNW and New England in 15-20 years.

You are high. The red states currently take far more money from the federal government than they put in. The blue states pay for your welfare in Louisana, Missippia, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Alaska. Red states are all takers, sipping off the federal teat to stay alive.

Don't like that, repeal the Amendment. Don't pretend it says something it doesn't.

I don't understand why gun control advocates always fixate on hunting as the gun-related activity they're OK with. Last I looked, deer or ducks aren't mentioned anywhere in the 2nd Amendment.

I don't understand why they won't just say this. They'll try all these sneaky semantic stuff to try to legislate guns away, but they will never just come out and say, "The Second Amendment needs to be repealed and replaced by a milder set of rights," or anything like that, when that's really the simplest way to achieve what most of them want.

There's no crime or dishonor in wanting the change the Constitution. It's just unpopular because people think it's a holy scroll of some kind.

Der Poopflingerwhat the fark is wrong with people, why would you need or want that?

Fun as fark at the range, and achieve suppression just in case, for under $400.

Rik01The power to kill and injure at a distance is a strong lure.

Maybe you should, uhh, not own guns. I own a few, and the idea of killing or injuring someone with one is absolutely repugnant... not a pleasant thought at all, ever. I know full well that if I ever shot someone even in self defense, it would leave serious lasting scars on my psyche. But I balance that against either being dead or helplessly watching innocent people being murdered, and so... I'm a gun owner.

simkatu:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Interesting that the more "blue" a state gets, and the longer a state stays "blue", the lower the average income, property values, industry, educations levels, etc... get. Almost like a state develops a high standard of living, which then attracts a certain segment of society that happens to vote democratic, which then institutes policies that lower the states standard of living. See: California, Michigan, New Jersey, and soon to be the PacNW and New England in 15-20 years.

You are high. The red states currently take far more money from the federal government than they put in. The blue states pay for your welfare in Louisana, Missippia, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Alaska. Red states are all takers, sipping off the federal teat to stay alive.

I haven't researched it but there was a lengthy discussion on the local talk radio this morning about how Georgia could be self sufficent if it were an island unti itself. I'm not saying I want that, because I don't and it was a stupid conversation, but the way I figure it, you dummies are so quick to hand out money and happy to pay your taxes I mean, why the hell not ask for it?

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:Mrbogey: Surpheon: Why not just split off the states that have the toughest gun control laws now rather than dividing it 50/50? With the exception of Texas, you'll have just made a third world nation with an economy smaller than Mexico's. But I'm sure it's just coincidence those lib states have higher average income, property values, industry, education level, etc...

Any tips on how best to be born on third base?

Almost all the top states in income have been the top states in income from long before they became blue strongholds. But good job on inheriting the high standard of living. Must have been real tough to pull off.

Interesting that the more "blue" a state gets, and the longer a state stays "blue", the lower the average income, property values, industry, educations levels, etc... get. Almost like a state develops a high standard of living, which then attracts a certain segment of society that happens to vote democratic, which then institutes policies that lower the states standard of living. See: California, Michigan, New Jersey, and soon to be the PacNW and New England in 15-20 years.

Yeah im in california and have to spend over half my income just to have a roof over my head. Not even a great one at that. I mean, it has a washer and dryer, so thats cool i guess. Oh yeah and gas is almost $4 a gallon. So actually that kinda blows. I wanna move out of cali.

/Unless you're one of the dumbasses that believes our founders believed that stinger missiles, rpgs, and tactical nukes in everyone's home were what our founders intended by a "well regulated militia".

simkatu:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Interesting that the more "blue" a state gets, and the longer a state stays "blue", the lower the average income, property values, industry, educations levels, etc... get. Almost like a state develops a high standard of living, which then attracts a certain segment of society that happens to vote democratic, which then institutes policies that lower the states standard of living. See: California, Michigan, New Jersey, and soon to be the PacNW and New England in 15-20 years.

You are high. The red states currently take far more money from the federal government than they put in. The blue states pay for your welfare in Louisana, Missippia, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Alaska. Red states are all takers, sipping off the federal teat to stay alive.

What military uses a semiautomatic ar-15? The US is a nation that suffers 75,000 alcohol related deaths a year. A few dead kids is a drop in the barrel HERP in a nation responsible for the deaths of millions A DERP (millions?) due to imperialism. Nice treyvon reference, I bet you think it's okay to assault somebody for following you down the street. A DERP

mrexcess:Der Poopflingerwhat the fark is wrong with people, why would you need or want that?

Fun as fark at the range, and achieve suppression just in case, for under $400.

Rik01The power to kill and injure at a distance is a strong lure.

Maybe you should, uhh, not own guns. I own a few, and the idea of killing or injuring someone with one is absolutely repugnant... not a pleasant thought at all, ever. I know full well that if I ever shot someone even in self defense, it would leave serious lasting scars on my psyche. But I balance that against either being dead or helplessly watching innocent people being murdered, and so... I'm a gun owner.

The idea of shooting someone is an awful one. Ive had three separate occasions where people were trying to break in (we have a horrible meth problem here in northern california) and stopped them with my gun (mosin nagant). Im glad the sound of a bolt being thrown scared em off.

/Unless you're one of the dumbasses that believes our founders believed that stinger missiles, rpgs, and tactical nukes in everyone's home were what our founders intended by a "well regulated militia".

juvandy:No real hunters use AR-15s for hunting game. Only dumbass fat asses that can barely make it 50 yards from their cars without a Hoveround pretend they are useful for hunting. If you weigh 300 lbs and can run the 40 yard dash in 10 minutes, then the AR-15 is your weapon.

They're excellent for taking down a whole herd of feral hogs though, so I don't think they're quite as useless as you make out.

Oh yeah! I'm sure that's what all 100,000 of the fat ass 55 year old slobs standing in line for 4 hours last week at Cabelas were planning on doing with their AR-15s when they got them. I'm sure they were deeply concerned about the feral hog population in Georgia and how those hogs were threatening their very livelihoods in Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas. I'm sure all of them already booked their flights to Georgia to hunt down this horrible hog menace that can be stopped by no other means than by a bunch of fat assed slobs from out-of-state wearing camo pretending they are John Rambo while hunting from their hoverounds.

Get real.

The solution to feral hogs doesn't need a bunch of overweight overaged insane retards with 100 round magazines in Kansas.

Exactly... I'm all for gun rights, but if someone is the kind of person who looks forward to shooting people, or feels tempted or lured to do so merely because they have a gun, I'll be the first person to say that they should not be allowed anywhere near a gun. That's some psychopathic shiat and one of the most disturbing examples of psychological projection that I've ever read here.