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00:23:40 has anyone here read "The Little Schemer"?
00:24:21 *Daemmerung* shakes the Magic Eight Ball
00:24:33 "Signs point to yes!"
00:24:48 Daemmerung: is it a good book for someone who can't code at all
00:24:57 and doesn't have the greatest math grades
00:25:11 *pastorn* shakes Daemmerungs Magic Eight Ball
00:26:01 Yes. It will not teach you to code, nor will it improve your math grades. It will, however, teach you to think recursively, and will greatly improve your Lisp/Scheme programming if you do code in Scheme.
00:26:15 "Reply hazy, ask again later"
00:26:36 but for somone who's completely new to programming, can they pick it up and learn how to do stuff?
00:26:43 or will it go over their heads?
00:27:00 walking before running and all that...
00:27:09 pastorn, might go either way. I recommend HtDP as a surer bet.
00:27:19 Define "do stuff," please. Like I said, it won't teach you to code.
00:27:38 Little Schemer might be more FUN, if you're in for the puzzles.
00:27:58 You can complete The Little Schemer and not write a line of code. Indeed,some recommend that approach.
00:28:11 HtDP might be more discipline, if you're in for building stuff.
00:28:42 Fare: cool, thanks
00:29:08 and htdp does everything in lisp?
00:30:24 if Scheme counts as Lisp, then yes.
00:30:33 it does
00:30:41 *pastorn* hides from flying bottrles
00:31:55 A series of learners' dialects of PLT Scheme.
00:32:39 i never understood the real differences
00:32:47 then don't bother, and use it.
00:32:50 all i know is that equality is messed up in one/both
00:33:02 if you want to learn Common Lisp later, you still can.
00:33:07 in both.
00:33:19 hard to tell which is worse.
00:33:21 i'm used to haskell, where equality works like a charm
00:33:36 (==) :: (Eq a) => a -> a -> Bool
00:33:39 Haskell is pure.
00:33:41 and that's about it
00:33:45 Both HtDP and TLS presuppose no prior programming experience. The HtDP authors consider their book a replacement/extension/modernizing of TLS. And since the two books share an author, I can't dispute that. Though I prefer TLS.
00:33:46 so?
00:34:06 Fare: does that matter for equality?
00:34:09 pastorn, in Lisp, you can do the same with interface-passing style :)
00:34:12 *Fare* ducks
00:35:01 (define isItTrue () (0 == 0))
00:35:06 will that give t or f?
00:35:55 It'll raise a syntax error.
00:36:00 hehe
00:36:10 Daemmerung: could you fix it?
00:36:17 (i don't know lisp at all)
00:36:20 No. It's meaningless.
00:36:55 (eqv? 0 0) ==> #t
00:37:06 ok
00:37:13 (== 0 0)
00:37:58 what will that give?
00:37:59 but if you want to pass around an interface for equality, go ahead ... (define (isittrue i) (equal? i 0 0))
00:39:30 or you could encapsulate the interface in a unit.
00:39:50 Fare: can you have a globally defined interface?
00:40:00 sure if you want
00:40:09 (define ...)
00:40:47 see my blog post on interface-passing style...
00:41:12 it can express manually what you do automatically with Haskell type classes.
00:41:25 Fare: sounds awesome!
00:41:35 here we go... http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.210/schemetutorial/node11.html
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00:49:55 would someone help me out understanding this code? I've found it on mzscheme's documentation: http://www.codetrunk.com/m9b10612 I don't understand that (let loop ([lst lst][s 0]) construct
00:53:47 http://docs.plt-scheme.org/guide/let.html#(part._.Named_let) let me see
00:54:49 ... "readed"?
00:55:17 *SharkBrain* feels shameded
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00:57:57 it makes a lot of sense now, thanks :)
00:58:20 Daemmerung, Fare: thanks for your help!
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01:51:29 He done learned him some letrec good.
01:53:16 I can never pound the proper let/let*/letrec/letrec* distinction into my head, although I can use them in practice.
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01:58:45 is the guy who told me about the allegro bindings here? I can't figure out what the phase object field is for.
02:01:32 it seems like it has something to do with who is on top of who on the screen
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02:27:51 Hello everyone.
02:28:02 I got my new keyboard!
02:28:05 *arcfide* is happy.
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02:30:44 Coolio!
02:31:36 jcowan: I have now added to my collection an authentic Unicomp 122-key buckling spring PC/5250 keyboard.
02:31:46 It has the classic click and it is quite a fun new toy.
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02:35:20 arcfide: I use a unicomp
02:35:20 arcfide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tc4XPo3sQA
02:35:20 :))))))))))
02:36:52 i never really understand why I watch those
02:36:58 and yet once I start I feel like I have to finish
02:39:20 I now think that I have most of the common interfaces for keyboard mechanisms down. I have the Happy Hacker spring based model, the buckling spring, the scissor swtich, the membrane, and the magnetic switch. :-)
02:40:28 Quadrescence: Um, what is this movie?
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02:40:54 arcfide: erm, it's an action packed adventure in Quad's House
02:41:07 (but related to the discussion at hand)
02:41:54 The chiclet?
02:42:29 Ahh, is this you setting up your Unicomp?
02:43:21 arcfide: maybe
02:44:48 Quadrescence: What, not willing to admit the geekness?
02:45:05 pfft, it's not geekness if it was given as a gift :D
02:45:30 I think it's geekiness all the more that they would give it to you. If they know you that well, the geekiness must be quite visible. :-)
02:45:39 haha
02:45:44 Maybe I should take a video of mine and the typing on it. It's quite fun. :-)
02:46:00 What model do you have? Mine is a little different.
02:46:01 Did you dump that other "keyboard" yet?
02:46:04 The chorded one?
02:46:10 I haveeeeeeee I don't remember
02:46:19 What? The datahand? No! Haha, I'm not going to dump that beauty.
02:46:29 I didn't want the one with the two rows of F keys
02:46:41 It's also not chorded.
02:47:02 err
02:47:05 Not chorded
02:47:14 whatever
02:47:19 "arcfide's keyboard"
02:47:23 LOL.
02:47:40 I don't think I'm going to give that one up for a while, it's quite good.
02:47:58 It's also one of the nicest on my hands, and causes the least amount of stress out of all of them. :-)
02:48:15 But...I couldn't pass up the opportunity to play with 24 function keys and a whole rwo of ten buttons on the left side of the keyboard. :-)
02:50:31 Haha, emacs is already enough for my hands
02:50:39 though if I could get a space cadet, I would
02:51:15 Well, everyone knows I do not use Emacs, so...:-) I have to find some other way to complicate my life.
02:51:44 you use that bad editor called nedit
02:52:09 And Vi, Acme, and now I've added THE (the modern version of XEDIT) to the list.
02:52:17 add emacs
02:52:36 Oh, I can use emacs well enough for most things, but that doesn't mean it is my preferred editor! Heheh.
02:53:03 Actually, one of the reasons I got the keyboard was to play with the authentic feel of hacking on an IBM Mainframe with a text editor that has a similar, if not quite as limited feel.
02:53:29 *jcowan* sticks with ex, just ex, thankyouverymuch
02:53:34 But, you already knew I was crazy.
02:53:41 jcowan: Good man.
02:54:44 I suppose on OS/8 I'd have to go back to Teco.
02:54:54 But I don't do OS/8 development these days, worth mentioning.
02:54:56 teco is the best
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02:58:09 But it doesn't do Unicode.
02:58:13 *jcowan* wants a Teco that does Unicode
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03:14:39 *offby1* wants a taco that does chorizo
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03:20:22 *Axioplase_* wants a takoyaki
03:21:30 *SharkBrain* wants a George Takei
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03:30:29 Isn't he a little old for you, SharkBrain?
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05:42:12 hello everybody!
05:42:29 why the #lisp channel has more users than us?
05:43:07 because scheme+commonlisp >= scheme
05:43:20 It is quality, not quantity that matters. Assuming some critical mass, of course.
05:43:33 But there the people said that there is only Common Lisp
05:43:49 lipe26-cps: it's mostly Common Lisp
05:44:01 with occasional diversions into Scheme
05:44:11 thx
05:44:12 What do you think about the R6RS, I'm really confusing... I read a lot of cristicisms.
05:44:30 lipe26-cps: then, there are more CL users. What else? Why do you *expect* more schemers than c-lispers?
05:45:03 Axioplase_: I don't expect... I just wonder...
05:45:05 I don't use R6RS. I program either in R4RS, or in whatever Gambit-C provides me with.
05:45:20 gambit is really good?
05:45:27 I think so.
05:45:44 I don't know how implementation to choose well...
05:46:04 sometimes I use PLT, sometimes SISC. I think both bad...
05:46:24 Depends on what you want to do, on how much you rely on support, libraries
05:46:29 I read the R5RS and the R6RS. Something in R6 seems good to me, but I read a lot of cristicisms.
05:47:11 lipe26-cps: use what suits *you*. If you think that R6RS is nice, use it!
05:47:25 lipe26-cps: yes, you are right.
05:47:31 Axioplase_: you (not me)
05:47:40 Yes, we know.
05:48:08 somebody have Github here and want to share?
05:48:27 I'm new in Github so I have nothing there yet. I didn't send my stuffs there.
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05:49:18 Anyone have good tutorials on continuations. Specifically, collectors? I'm having a really difficult time understanding the tls examples.
05:49:57 I want to share it: anding the tls examples
05:50:05 sorry. wrong CTRL+V
05:50:09 it's: http://www.fml.eti.br/wiki/index.php/Comment.ss
05:50:35 I'm doing this project as well: http://www.fml.eti.br/wiki/index.php/ScheJava.ss is it too bad?
05:52:29 anyway, if somebody want to share code, just add me: http://github.com/felipelalli
05:52:39 how I said before, I have nothing at moment there, but I'll put
05:52:45 bye bye!! here is 3 AM
05:52:50 see you later! thx
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15:24:42 guys, do you know what threading system Larceny has?
15:25:06 that it's fast, I get, but more than that? how good for network-intense, IO-intense, green threads-intense work is it, compared with gambit for instance?
15:25:17 i don't even get if it has green threads or not
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15:26:11 anyone has an idea?
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15:34:47 BW^-, I would ask on the larceny-users mailing list
15:34:59 not many larcenists here.
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15:39:35 ok
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16:02:19 What's a typechecker for (values)?
16:02:38 i want to get #t from this: (values? (values 1 2 3))
16:03:03 (lambda x #t)
16:03:31 what? :)
16:03:45 in black hole / gambit, at least, not.
16:03:49 actually, that won't work, either. Anyway: `values' is not a type.
16:04:02 rigt
16:04:03 right
16:04:41 ok good point, solved.
16:04:42 thanks.
16:04:48 you could hack something in gambit, because if i recall correctly gambit implements multiple-value returns with a magical wrapper object.
16:04:56 but it wouldn't be proper Scheme.
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18:21:40 evening schemers, and also racketeers :)
18:27:51 Hey there! Hi there! Ho there!
18:29:28 racketeers? why I never...but on an unrelated note, I am still selling my copy of SICP on Amazon used...I have the lowest price :o
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18:31:07 *mbishop* coughs
18:31:25 that sounds like racketeering to me :P
18:31:26 How low can you go? ;)
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18:35:35 well I'm selling it for $23 off Amazon price :P
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19:05:08 if someone asks me, "what is scheme used for in the real world" what's my best answer(s)?
19:05:37 emma, ;)
19:05:46 kn100: hehehe :)
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19:06:02 hey everyone kn100 is the person who asked me :P
19:06:16 emma: "Don't ask such stupid questions" is the best answer ;)
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19:06:26 sjamaan, hey :(
19:06:29 heh
19:06:35 haha
19:06:40 haha
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19:06:46 kn100: Recently a few games were made with Scheme
19:06:50 so, you'll only get snarky answers here :)
19:06:55 Lots of folks are dabbling with webapps too
19:06:57 sjamaan, example?
19:07:11 Off the top of my head: farmageddon, quantz
19:07:14 kn100, see untyped.com
19:07:14 plt, gambit, and chicken are widely used
19:07:20 guile maybe? :)
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19:07:47 This was the answer I actually gave: I think the most honest answer is that scheme is used by
19:07:48 in general, look at the proceedings of CUFP for examples
19:07:51 computer scientists to undrstand concepts and prove things in
19:07:51 oh crap!
19:07:54 computer science. But it's also used for real applications and
19:07:55 hey sorry
19:07:57 mario-goulart: What was ventonegro's Othello/Reversi clone again?
19:07:58 stuff.
19:08:08 irssi is not very friendly for copy paste sometimes
19:08:17 ah, samth has a good point.
19:09:06 emma, xchat <3
19:09:57 ah yes, reverso ( http://www.ventonegro.org/2009/10/scheme-hits-the-app-store/ )
19:10:00 kn100: ^
19:10:21 I use it to specify a task that I would like executed by computer.
19:10:46 Daemmerung: What a novel use!
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19:10:55 *sjamaan* should try that sometime
19:12:16 sjamaan, looks interesting
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19:13:47 Daemmerung, i use it to execute my computer
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19:14:38 kn100: i recall an article where scheme was used to control a telescope at an observatory
19:14:43 kn100: let me see if I can find that.
19:14:45 emma, how so?
19:14:51 emma, as in what did it control, and sure :D
19:15:00 *wingo* hugs longjmp(3)
19:15:20 Does anyone have a link to that song which was made with LISP?
19:15:25 kn100: probably it's rotation and stuff
19:15:35 IIRC Gauche was used for the Final Fantasy film
19:15:37 you mean hackers must be free by richard s stallman?
19:15:47 Join us and share the software
19:15:47 er
19:15:50 we shall be free!
19:15:53 *m
19:15:53 samth: True, sometimes that task is "convert kilowatt-hours to Calories"
19:15:55 :)
19:15:55 RMS xD
19:16:12 i have wanted to make a punk version of that for a long time, but i would have to learn how to play some punky thing
19:16:41 kn100, http://www.imagine27.com/articles/2009-04-09-010147_live_lisp_art_opengl_synth_sound.html ?
19:16:42 wingo, hahah, have to hand it to rms, he does have musical talent xD
19:16:43 -rudybot:#scheme- http://tinyurl.com/c44pj9
19:17:39 http://www.lava.net/~shiro/Private/essay/gdc2002.html
19:18:12 MononcQc, the one I remember had a drumbeat and wasn't ambient
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19:18:20 emma, kn100: the telescope article is here: http://scheme2006.cs.uchicago.edu/
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19:18:33 search for 'optics'
19:20:01 samth, reading
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19:21:58 kn100, see also here: http://ll4.csail.mit.edu/Abstracts.html
19:22:18 this is what I found -- http://ll4.csail.mit.edu/slides/telescope.pdf
19:22:49 samth, very cool, give me a few minutes to digest both links, and I gotta go, back in about a hour
19:26:30 that lisp opengl synth video is pretty nice
19:26:57 henux, http://impromptu.moso.com.au/
19:27:03 I think that's what he uses
19:27:04 those guys are great.
19:27:10 couldn't try it myself, though. Got no mac.
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19:29:37 yeah i have mac
19:29:40 should try this
19:29:46 it's pretty cool
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19:39:00 MononcQc: that website seems to have a banner which explains its made in FreeBSD
19:39:14 MononcQc: i mean the website having the video of the live lisp art
19:39:42 hm
19:39:59 or it might be explaining about the website itself, not the live art
19:40:54 yeah, well the guy in the video is andrew sorensen
19:40:59 henux, kn100 -- http://piratasum.com/algorithms-are-thoughts-chainsaws-are-tools
19:41:00 and he's the lead dev of impromptu
19:44:01 lisp (or scheme) is good for hacking quick stuff but i wonder how well it performs on 'hardcore' software development
19:44:40 can you name any desktop apps or computer games written in lisp?
19:45:14 one could perhaps say lisp is the computer language for hackers
19:45:45 but that does not necessarily make it optimal for commercial grade software development tasks
19:45:59 sjamaan: you mean his blog about the game?
19:47:09