I think his Atack and Response are underrated. He is becoming more a box player with good positioning and good reading than a creative player. This season his 8 goals are thanked to his "poacher" abilites (atk, response and shoting abilites, wich i think suits him well) and no to his creative ones (dribbling, speed, tecnique...) I suggest:

Fides wrote:I think yesterdays goal was more because of his brilliant first touch then his other abilities.

I'd have to agree here, it is down to his brilliant technical ability when trapping and carrying a ball forward with his first touch. If anything I believe his Technique should be raised to a 89-90 region as his trapping abilities are that good

Whilst his goal yesterday was definitely due to his decent first touch, Ulises still has a point about his Response (I disagree about Attack, his positioning has been worse than Defoe for the majority of his Arsenal career). Bar yesterday, all of his goals this season have been down to well-timed runs and reacting quickly to passes in the box, and he's been able to perform these sharp movements for quite a while. He definitely deserves a higher value than an 80, and I feel that at an 84 is spot on. (That's what I gave him in my OF, at least).

GoonerLover66 wrote:Whilst his goal yesterday was definitely due to his decent first touch, Ulises still has a point about his Response (I disagree about Attack, his positioning has been worse than Defoe for the majority of his Arsenal career). Bar yesterday, all of his goals this season have been down to well-timed runs and reacting quickly to passes in the box, and he's been able to perform these sharp movements for quite a while. He definitely deserves a higher value than an 80, and I feel that at an 84 is spot on. (That's what I gave him in my OF, at least).

Yes probably my suggestio of atack was a bit high. But i want to compare him with players without a good positional sense like, messi, lennon and robben who are 80. And imo he should have a 3 or 4 points gap with them...

Well, i fix the suggested value for response at 84 as gooner agreed. And i lower ATK suggestion to 83/84.

Brezza wrote:You could raise his ridiculously low aggression value as well while your at it, i dont think hes this conservative coming forward.

I think its his good reactions and well timed runs forward that help him get into those attacking areas rather than pure positioning.

Of course that's why he deserves higher response than attack. But i found his attack really unfair comparing with messi robben or lenno. Or you are suggesting that his positioning is on par with them, cause i remember to you that messi and robben has higher value than him in response. So we should make more diffrence between them cause you must agree with me that his better at positioning that those players, don't you?Â¿

GoonerLover66 wrote:Whilst his goal yesterday was definitely due to his decent first touch, Ulises still has a point about his Response (I disagree about Attack, his positioning has been worse than Defoe for the majority of his Arsenal career). Bar yesterday, all of his goals this season have been down to well-timed runs and reacting quickly to passes in the box, and he's been able to perform these sharp movements for quite a while. He definitely deserves a higher value than an 80, and I feel that at an 84 is spot on. (That's what I gave him in my OF, at least).

Yes probably my suggestio of atack was a bit high. But i want to compare him with players without a good positional sense like, messi, lennon and robben who are 80. And imo he should have a 3 or 4 points gap with them...

Well, i fix the suggested value for response at 84 as gooner agreed. And i lower ATK suggestion to 83/84.

I agree with the changes to Long Passing and Response. However I think his shot accuracy is too high, Van Persie is a wasteful striker and the placement in his shots really isn't great he only usely scores through power and his fantastic striking of the ball I feel his shot accuracy should be a value like 79 maximum 80 as its an area in which he's comparable to John Carew in my opinion.

"If you are first you are first. If you are second, you are nothing" - Bill Shankly."I guarantee fourth place" - Rafael Benitez.

Disagree with lowering SA and disagree with add *scoring, imo he is well rate here.

I also want to introduce one more suggestion, his TW looks low to me, imo he is more cooperative liking well with his mates is his maing characteristic to my eyes, isn't it?Â¿ But i can't find a good number.

Brezza wrote:You could raise his ridiculously low aggression value as well while your at it, i dont think hes this conservative coming forward.

I think its his good reactions and well timed runs forward that help him get into those attacking areas rather than pure positioning.

i agree that his aggression is a bit low..but not ridiculously lowsth like max 84the reason of that is he plays like AMF more than SS in arsenaloften stay in mid field and try to help outof coz i dont mean he dont go up if he needs tobut too high aggression would make him stay in forward position and not helping midfield as much as he do in matchesand also it with affect the attack/defence ratio thing..which im not sure should he has a slight better defence than he has got now