I've got a good number of 4mg generic hydromorphone pills (http://search2.drugs.com/images/pills/mtm/Hydromorphone%204%20mg-MAL.jpg , the pills are made by Mallinckrodt). I've tried injecting them before as a test and they readily dissolved, but I didn't want to do it too much until I got my hands on a micron filter. Now I am wondering how much I can practically dissolve. I've looked all over these boards and online, and the best I've found in terms of solubility information is that they're "soluble in water". Also, now that I've got a micron filter (.22 microns) that should eliminate any bacteria that might get into the solution (assuming it goes into a sterile syringe) in addition to the stuff in the pills that one wouldn't want in their veins right?

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Azuran

redeemer

15-10-2006, 23:33

The Merck Index says the HCl salt of hydromorphone, which is what is present in hydromorphone pills (well, in Dilaudid atleast), is "Sol. in 3 parts water".

So, in theory one mL (cc) of water can dissolve 333 mg hydromorphone HCl, and 4 mg would dissolve in 12 mg water which is 12 &#181;L (12 thousandths cc's).

About the dangers of injecting these pills I'm unsure as I can't find a list of inactive ingredients contained in this pill.

lyserg

15-10-2006, 23:34

Dilaudid pills are one of the safest pills to inject basically because of their size and the ratio of active drug to binders/fillers. Even filtering through a cotton worked for me. Some people even cold shake them but i wouldnt recommend you do that. Micron filters are perfect. What do you mean by how much can i practically dissolve? Do you mean how much you can fit in a 1ml syringe? If so, you can prob fit around 3-4 4mg pills in one, probrably more.

Landoallah

17-10-2006, 00:21

about the safety of IV Dilauded: I have personally never even heard of a dilly od(that doesn't mean go and try :) but have fun! iv dilly is great stuff.

`bLow?

17-10-2006, 00:34

mmm, delicious! wish i could get my hands on some right now.

Landoallah

17-10-2006, 01:15

i watched some fucking dipshit rail script of Diladed over the course of a weekend(not huge i think it was 4 or 5 8mg pills maybe) and spit out the drip. I don't understand what is wrong with people.

Survival0200

17-10-2006, 01:19

I have personally never even heard of a dilly od
I think the girl in the movie "Drugstore Cowboys" OD'd on Dilaudid. That's a Dilaudid OD I remember. :o

Landoallah

17-10-2006, 02:17

I think the girl in the movie "Drugstore Cowboys" OD'd on Dilaudid. That's a Dilaudid OD I remember. :o

oopsies...:)

brewkakke

12-11-2006, 23:12

Maybe someone in this thread could help me.

Here is the body of my thread that I posted:
I am well versed with shooting up and have been doing heroin for over 2 years now, but the one thing I've always wanted to do was bang a nice hit of dilaudid, and I've had the opportunity once, but it didn't work. Now, I have come across 18 4mg Mallinckrodt dilaudids (this is what I had the last time I tried) and everything I have read about them says that they are not abuse proofed. I've read that all I have to do is just crush 'em up, add 60 units of water and stir. Then add a cotton and suck it up. Everytime I've done this, I am left with a shit ton of filler and little water to suck up. I end up getting 20 units of usable liquid and the rest I can't draw up because all of the wet filler clogs up the cotton and I have to keep throwing in new cottons just to draw up a teeny bit more. What am I doing wrong? I've tried heating it and it seems to make less of a mess and I get more liquid, but I was told not to heat it.

Okay, I just went and did it while heating it again and I got a lot of liquid out and there was little binder left. I guess I'm just having problems getting the hydromorphone to dissolve. I still can't understand why I get different results than everyone else.

lyserg

12-11-2006, 23:23

You need to dilute it more. Use more than 60 mls of water, around 80-90mls. How much were you tyring to dissolve in that? All you have to do is add 80-90 units of water, filter through cotton, tie off and shoot. Also, try to like fluff up the little piece of cotton a bit. Make it a little loose instead of very tight. That will help getting it up into the syringe. You dont need to heat it.

nexigram

12-11-2006, 23:40

You need to dilute it more. Use more than 60 mls of water, around 80-90mls. How much were you tyring to dissolve in that? All you have to do is add 80-90 units of water, filter through cotton, tie off and shoot. Also, try to like fluff up the little piece of cotton a bit. Make it a little loose instead of very tight. That will help getting it up into the syringe. You dont need to heat it.

Exactly what I was thinking. I use the 1/2cc rigs for shooting dope and when I first started IV'ing all I got was dope dope dope. Finally things dried up as they inevitably always do, and I resorted back to my old pal 80mg oxycontin. I learned very quickly that I was going to need more than 50 units of water for pills. I always like to use an even 100 units of water for pills, that way I can easily see how much was lost to absorbation in the binders. Plan to lose almost 10 units. Not really neccessary at all, but just a little thing I like to do. Yeah I know, I'm anal when it comes to my drugs though.

Anyways like lyserg said don't heat. Theres really no need to sterlize since the inside of the pill is sterile. I think you will find it much easier to draw back with a little more water. I imagine that right now you are probably dealing with an almost paste-like solution and that will always be tough to get in the rig. Use at least 80 to 100 units. As long as you don't have any water left in the spoon when the rig is full, you didn't use too much water.

raybeez

13-11-2006, 00:33

Anyways like lyserg said don't heat. Theres really no need to sterlize since the inside of the pill is sterile. I think you will find it much easier to draw back with a little more water. I imagine that right now you are probably dealing with an almost paste-like solution and that will always be tough to get in the rig. Use at least 80 to 100 units. As long as you don't have any water left in the spoon when the rig is full, you didn't use too much water.

There is ALWAYS a need to sterilize a solution before injection, unless it is coming out of a sealed, sterile ampule.

Even if the inside of the pill was sterile (which it may or may not be), there are many other sources of contamination that could result in an infection.

Is the outside of the pill sterile? How about the water used in the injection? How about the spoon/holder that you're putting the liquid into? How about the cotton?

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Bigchief

26-03-2008, 19:38

I think he gets your point.

`pr0digy

26-03-2008, 23:44

I had the 1 mg dil's last year.... You can fit ALOT into a normal rig. They dissolve easy as hell.

sixpartseven

26-03-2008, 23:46

I've got a good number of 4mg generic hydromorphone pills (http://search2.drugs.com/images/pills/mtm/Hydromorphone%204%20mg-MAL.jpg , the pills are made by Mallinckrodt). I've tried injecting them before as a test and they readily dissolved, but I didn't want to do it too much until I got my hands on a micron filter. Now I am wondering how much I can practically dissolve. I've looked all over these boards and online, and the best I've found in terms of solubility information is that they're "soluble in water". Also, now that I've got a micron filter (.22 microns) that should eliminate any bacteria that might get into the solution (assuming it goes into a sterile syringe) in addition to the stuff in the pills that one wouldn't want in their veins right?

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Azuran

Almost every opiate is freely soluble in water. The issue with dilaudid is the fillers/binders being soluble in water. Since you have a micron filter, that will definitely help out in keeping those out of the solution.

But other than that, hydromorphone is readily soluble.

Darkprogramer

07-03-2009, 01:10

Hi everyone,

yea, I get the 4mg dilaudid pills. They are great. I simply crush them in a spoon and mash them up reall good. Then I do use a little heat twice. the first time is just a flash heating so,
not much. then I take the plunger from a different rig and stirrr it real good. Then I use heat
once more, a little more this last time but no where near bubbling it.
Then I take a clean cigarette unsmoked of course and tare off a small chunk about the size of
a beebee and drop into the solution. Then I simply draw it up. I do let it set for a few moments to make sure that it is cooled down plenty. thats all there is to it shoot away.
And no you dont have to use heat, but its just my prefferece as I get more yield that way.
The resulting solution in needle is nice and clear no trash in. All trash is left in the spoon.
And yes you need to make sure everything is clean and steralized before you even start.

Darkprogramer

07-03-2009, 01:12

I usually iv 2-3 of the dilaudid pills at once. that seems to do the trick for me. I
could probably take like 5-6 at once safely, but why push it when 3 does pretty
good job. lol

OverDriven

07-03-2009, 08:28

about the safety of IV Dilauded: I have personally never even heard of a dilly od(that doesn't mean go and try :) but have fun! iv dilly is great stuff.

On another forum I've read a few accounts of people starting to rush and then all of a sudden waking up some time later. That would definitely count for an OD in my opinion. I haven't heard of anyone actually dying from ODing on it, but I'm sure it's not that hard to do.

143oxy

26-03-2009, 06:56

What is the best way to dillute dilaudid??? So it can be injected by a needle?
I have been looking through post after post and can't find the best way???

I have generic 4mg dilaudid and can't break it down correctly...
Taking the pills orally make me sick..

Please advise?
I am new to bluelight...
Help???

Thank you!:!

djsim

26-03-2009, 08:21

If it makes you sick orally, what do you think IV administration will do?
Shooting pills is never safe, so I'd stick to oral administration. If you are going to do it anyway though (which I think you will) then you must use a micron filter. So dissolve the pill in water, DON'T HEAT, run through a micron filter, and inject.
NB. people will argue that Dillies are so small you don't need a micron filter, but that's bullshit.

OD ==> BDD

headcase666

26-03-2009, 15:52

Crush.
Add water.
Heat.
Filter.
Bang.

I did nothing but Dilaudid's for 5 years. They are the bomb. Never had a problem.

Darkprogramer

02-04-2009, 21:25

Everyone here pushes the use of micron filters hard. I think thats great and all and I agree.
But, at least for me they are very hard to get. I have been trying now for about three weeks
straight with no luck. I did find the best microns to use, but only one company makes and
sales them. They are in a different country and speak a different language. gee. Yes there
are other closer companys that make and sale micron filters but good luck getting them
and most are very expensive. geeeeee

Anyone have any advise,
Thanks, Your friend
Darkprogramer

justagirl83

11-06-2009, 06:04

I have been shooting Dilaudids for about 5 months, I get my script filled tomorrow but I have a question that no one around here can seem to answer. How long can you keep the solution in the syringe before it becomes where you can't use it. My husband and I are back together and he does not approve and doesn't know I still do them for about 7-8 days a month just when i get my script filled. I wanted to load a bunch of syringes at once so they are ready and that way when i want a shot i can just go into the bathroom and do one without having to take the time to prepare it and all that? Please help, he comes home late tomorrow night and i need an answer asap.

Jamesyboy

22-10-2009, 07:57

How many ml's is a unit of water equal to? how many ml's of water is needed for a 4 mg mally

liss420

26-03-2010, 14:17

i get a script of the 4mg dialaudid's (240) and i always get the generic m's. i'm also a nurse and a long time shooter. i find that although they dissolve somewhat in water it still works just fine as long as you filter with cotton. i speng all day IMimg folks in the hospital thinking all the while they are really missing out...if inly the dr.s order said IV instead of IM. i use warm water and a 3cc syringe...31gauge tip...i have to use the large syringe because you need to use more water the higher the dose of powdered pill. 1cc is fine for 4 - 8 mg of dialaudid. oh, and the girl in drugstore cowboy did od on dialauid but she shot many grains of the stuff. one grain is equal to about 20mg of dilaudid so she took a massive dose.....they used the measurement of grain back in the day.....way back. any william s burroughs fans out there!!! be safe n hope u hit on the first try:):)

Poppy Planter

27-03-2010, 02:51

be safe n hope u hit on the first try
So funny, a true shooter! Cheers!

DILAUDID 8mg

27-03-2010, 03:06

close. 1/16 a grain is 4mg, 1/8, 8mg.

DILAUDID 8mg

27-03-2010, 03:15

hydromorphone (dilaudid) is super soluable in H20. but the gold standard has always been lyophilized powder!!!or the 500mg/50ml (50mg per ml) in 50ml vials........oh makes a pile of yellow4's or the triangular white 8's look nasty !!!

liss420

09-04-2010, 19:37

its the mallenkots dude, the brand name dilaudids, which are yellow crush right up and almost completly dissolve, pretty much crush and pour directly into the back of a 1cc rig and shake. well not that simple but just about. I get 240 4's a month and $$$ forces me to go the generic route as well, i well know all about the mess of mush left over from a 4mg M. if you can, next time try to get the yellow ones, they are worth the extra couple bucks if u have it

liss420

09-04-2010, 19:41

i'll admit it, i'm a nurse and i have no idea what lyophilized is? will my buddy in the hospital pharm be able to hook it up? where can u purchase it?

liss420

09-04-2010, 19:42

what can i say...it was a buttload of dilaudid!!!!!

HallogenicX

25-06-2010, 11:45

I have been shooting Dilaudids for about 5 months, I get my script filled tomorrow but I have a question that no one around here can seem to answer. How long can you keep the solution in the syringe before it becomes where you can't use it. My husband and I are back together and he does not approve and doesn't know I still do them for about 7-8 days a month just when i get my script filled. I wanted to load a bunch of syringes at once so they are ready and that way when i want a shot i can just go into the bathroom and do one without having to take the time to prepare it and all that? Please help, he comes home late tomorrow night and i need an answer asap.

Your best bet would be to make a uniform solution. Whatever your dosage per shot is mix it in 1 ml of water, and then extend that to all your pills. I would take all your pills crush them up, and if you like to do 2-3 pills per shot, then for every ml of water put 2-3 pills in. Find a container you can seal put all your water / crushed pills in shake and shake for about 30-40 minutes, since it is a lot, and then filter out all the binders. Then whenever you need a shot unscrew your container stick the syringe in suck out 1 ml, and bang!

pheungies

09-10-2010, 01:48

i dont know if this is good advice or not, im not a scientist and i dont make the pills but im just giving my method that has never harmed me (that i know of). with 4mg yellow Ds(usually P/4), i just fold a business card and drop 2 it in it, bite on it until theyre close to a fine powder, then pour the powder into a rig with about 2cc of water. draw the rig back a little to give it some extra space and shake it up really good. then, sha-bam! i mean, i can see pieces of pill floating in the rig, and with ANY other pill i would NEVER put that into a vein, but shooting that way has never given me nor any one i know who does them ANY problems that i know of (other than general IV risks). with 8s and 2s i crush em the same way but instead of goin straight into the rig, i dump it in a spoon and filter it with compacted cotton from a q-tip and fire away. as i said, im not positive that this method is safe by any means and im pretty sure most bluelighters say always use micron filters when iv'ing anything, but im just giving my personal experience and ive never had a problem bangin them like that.

EL CONEJO 26

22-10-2010, 09:50

Ive got lots of information and advice for any expats, US and European, or people that have lived abroad and are used to semi-decent health care or at least access to such a system that are now living in Mexico. One big reason I say this is because there are so many half thruths, misconcepttions, rumors and just out-right lies about Mexico, and to some degree about Latin America. But mainly I focus on Mexico in any discourse. I've come to bluelight in the past, and unfortunately never registered due to many bad past experiences with other sites' registeration processes. Sorry to anyone I may have not helped. I'm a cancer survivor and a chronic pain sufferer with a type I CRPS illness. I lived in the states all my life but due to being sick I couldn't work even with a super education and an overachieving work history, and was terminated from a director's position due to liability issues. I went about 6 months on the disability route when I realized that I couldn't live on about $1200.00 US a month when I was used to about 6 times that amount. And another major factor was that I could still work and be very, very productive if I could control the pain and swelling and some of the other disabling symptoms. In the states every pain patient knows the usual meds and routes that are followed by chronic pain sufferers and those in pallitive treatment. But none of the aforementioned applies outside the US, muchlessso in Mexico. It's almost impossible to get any narcotic in Mexico via legal and/or illegal routes - at least casually. I can answer sincere questions in regards to any of the aforementioned - most at least. I work for many global companies here in Mexico City where tort law is almost non-existent, and do quite well except for constant fluxuations in everything. I have the great grace of the Lord to have access to a real doctor here that is part of a small network that can legally write prescriptions for similar meds as in the US. Getting them after you get the script is another story. But I've been on a regimine of Oxycodone instant release 40mg 4 tab a day for breakthough, and 300 Percocets 5/325 for daily-hourly pain. Then after many different variations of the previous drugs I was moved to another doctor (here the right to have barcode-triplicate scripts isn't always secure and sometimes rotates) and we tried a methadone regimine until she realized, even tho I had told her, that I have a damaged heart so we went back to the Oxy. Then some months back we found a legit source via Mallincrokdt for Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) and they've been working well. It's been harder and harder to find them (4mg) each month tho. I've been managing on 400 4mg hydros a month plus 30 Oxy 40mg IRs, plus she's been giving me Ritalin (Tradea in Mexico - if you can find it)20mg instant release IR for depression and alertness - and God it works great. I know some of you are saying this guy's speedballing. Not the case at all. I don't mix them, and only take the Ritalin in the morning if I feel groggy and am not going to take a narcotic for at least another 5-6 hours. She sometimes gives me some extra or free meds from a hosp. when a patient passes. They can't resell it or restock it so she kinda does me a favor (because she knows money's a big factor - prices are outrageous here - like 20 Valiums cost $25 US dollars!!!) - like don't ask don't tell. I throw any extra meds that I don't need in the toilet. I know that sounds sacrelig to many of you, but I have no interest in anything other than the real intent. I don't give or sell my meds to anyone and never would. My older brother died 2 years ago from a Fentanyl OD. He had the same CRPS, albeit different pathology, but we still don't know if it was accidental or intentional. We'll never know. He was quite sad and depressed,I know that. Left many children behind without a father. Maybe I'm square. Sorry. And sometimes she's given me MS tabs 30 and 60mg, injectible Oxycodone (that does exist by Biogentech), injectible MS, and injectible hydroporhone. They want to put a pain pump directly into my spine - like an epidural (rachea in Spanish) - and run Fentanyl (in spanish it's Fentanilo) directly. The cost is outrageous (like the $30,000.00 US dollars!!!). Here you have to pay everything in cash for any elective treatment, and that's almost everything. And I'm treated as a Mexican - don't know if that's good or bad. Lol. I see all the people on these sites, and most talk about IVing hydromorphone or almost everything. I take my meds for what theyre prescribed for (I couldn't get high anyways), and don't even feel any "high" after so many years. I would never IV anyways, cause I have such a needle-fobia, and nearly 60% of my heart is dead muscle and anything like that could kill me. The injectibles I've had I always IM them with my wife giving them to me in the rump. Needles one can openly buy legally here at any corner store. I just look for pain relief and to be normal and able to work. I can understand people wanting to get high. Do your thing and don't hurt others. Like I said hopefully I can help someone. I have to go to sleep. Be safe and God bless to all. Hope to hear from some in need of information.

eroticazn

17-12-2010, 01:59

i back load a 3ml oral syringe filled with a little moist cotton then draw through a second cotton.i do the same with my opana i.r, 10 mg's.i am just unlucky nuf to get hit by a drunk driver....1 yaer 1 month 1 week and 1day after getting into an auto collision.

rissababes

11-01-2011, 05:45

i dont know if this is good advice or not, im not a scientist and i dont make the pills but im just giving my method that has never harmed me (that i know of). with 4mg yellow Ds(usually P/4), i just fold a business card and drop 2 it in it, bite on it until theyre close to a fine powder, then pour the powder into a rig with about 2cc of water. draw the rig back a little to give it some extra space and shake it up really good. then, sha-bam! i mean, i can see pieces of pill floating in the rig, and with ANY other pill i would NEVER put that into a vein, but shooting that way has never given me nor any one i know who does them ANY problems that i know of (other than general IV risks). with 8s and 2s i crush em the same way but instead of goin straight into the rig, i dump it in a spoon and filter it with compacted cotton from a q-tip and fire away. as i said, im not positive that this method is safe by any means and im pretty sure most bluelighters say always use micron filters when iv'ing anything, but im just giving my personal experience and ive never had a problem bangin them like that.

I pretty much did the same thing...never had an adverse effect...to that part of it that is....I'm guessing I took it too much for too long because for about two weeks solid I vomited dozen's of times a day, felt like I had the flu, but still was weak enough to go back for more every day. I stopped only because I was worried if I didn't.....well you get the picture.

Vipguy

17-01-2011, 21:23

I just got a hold of some D's & fixed it up using the same method as I do with Roxicets. A pill crusher, clean water & a clean spoon etc. It instantly gave me a better outlook on life even before the syringe was completely empty if you know what I mean lol. BTW, I'm a big fan of the movie Drugstore Cowboy & William Burroughs that guy rocks ! %)

muddywaters1

15-01-2012, 00:50

dude, thanks a bunch.. i been back on the heroin for a while now but am temporarily short on cash. so i got like 14 4mg dilaudids from my stepmother and i tried eating them, takes way to long to take effect, plus you lose some of the med in your digestive track. i tried snorting a few, dont like snorting stuff not the same feeling. i was worried about bangin them until i read your post, followed your directions and bingo.. shits awesome... thanks a bunch.. just needed something to get me thru for a lil bit..