Mind awake, body asleep as they say. People may think this is hard to do but a nap or sleep prior to induction can help immensely.

It helps because the brain is still craving for REM sleep after a nap (or is still prone to REM after a sleep) and it will enter it quicker than it would have done before sleep. Atonia will ensue while the mind is still aware and free to wander...

"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

ninjah42 wrote:is there a easier way to explain that ryan?i tried to seperate the body and mind, and fell asleep. tried it like 3-4 times

Well see, that's where learning to meditate becomes paramount to long term success without having to rely upon "taking a nap" or "going to sleep" first.

Once you can meditate towards the "Point Consciousness" state, which is where you exist as simply a point of consciousness... no physical body, no physical reality... just you in a void of nothing, then you ARE projecting.

For anyone looking to learn to project, I highly suggest learning to meditate first. Basically, what it sounds like that's happening to you is that you're falling asleep when you lose focus. Work on holding that focus... then work on holding it for extended periods of time with no "mind interruptions". You'll be surprised at how hard this is.

Sit there and try this... and do it honestly... the more you lie to yourself about this the more frustrated you'll become. But if you sit there and just count slowly in your mind from 1 upwards... see how high you can get before a stray thought comes in. That "stray thought" is what I call a "mind interruption".

If you can count to 10 without any mind interruptions, you're doing well. Most people can't.

It's also perfect for those who would like a possible glimpse into the alternative reality that lucid dreaming, and other mystical modalities may be accessing. Tom Campbell describes a level of reality that I've felt all along was there but couldn't really describe.

I have a personal view of the world that is built around the model that the "real" world that we experience every day is only a simplistic interpretation of what actually exists. What is really there is deeper and richer and completely interconnected at a quantum mechanical level. I think that both these views of reality are accessing the same set of data, but one interpretation uses a crude device (our waking reality -which is mostly limited to our five senses-) as a "display device" and one uses a much more capable system (our unlimited consciousness) as a display device. The latter gives us a much more complete and unobstructed view of what is really behind the curtain. Tom Campbell describes this perfectly.

Have you lucid dreamed using other techniques? The reason I ask is that I'm working on entering dream as we are talking about here, but haven't been able to yet. But it's not too frustrating because I've have many LD experiences by either spontaneously or actively becoming lucid within a dream.

So while you are working on this method, you could still prepare to LD with another method. For me I find it's nice to be able to experience it even while learning to use another technique.

I tried a WBTB yesterday. It was the closest I ever felt to being lucid. I felt the numbness of my body and literally i saw things being even lighter than before. And the most scary part was my eyes actually began to rapidly go up and down and i was like woah what the heck and then my breathing became more intense and i tried to control it but it didnt work. I was saying to myself, "woah im actually gonna lucid!" but a moment later, my eyes stopped moving rapidly and i lost it... and went to sleep. No lucid