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darwined

Lots of people work hard pulling these festivals off and lots of climbers enjoy them. You don't enjoy them(which is cool if it's your thing), so you avoid them. Why not just avoid the "Icefest thread" too? Just saying.

I worked all weekend so I did not have to deal with the crowds.I probably would have gone to Smuggs also.Of course the guides put a lot of time getting these together because they draw a lot of clients and work which is good for everyone.If you have been climbing as long as some people like tradman you want to avoid crowds and getting hit with falling ice so you go elsewhere.

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bailing is not failing!!!

darwined

I worked all weekend so I did not have to deal with the crowds.I probably would have gone to Smuggs also.Of course the guides put a lot of time getting these together because they draw a lot of clients and work which is good for everyone.If you have been climbing as long as some people like tradman you want to avoid crowds and getting hit with falling ice so you go elsewhere.

Lots of people work hard pulling these festivals off and lots of climbers enjoy them. You don't enjoy them(which is cool if it's your thing), so you avoid them. Why not just avoid the "Icefest thread" too? Just saying.

My opinion is that things like ice festivals suck. They are put on for commercial reasons in order to bring more people into the sport so that commercial operations can sell more gear and sell more services. Witness the steady stream of daily spamming on this forum for the past several months--total commercial sellout. People are "working hard" to sell stuff.

Since this is a community forum there is nothing wrong with sharing ones opinion about these things. (Not saying tradman shares my opinion, maybe he just hates crowds for all I know.)

Thanks in advance for all the extra negative karma points this post will be sure to generate. Maybe Al will delete them all and give me 100 positive ones like he did for the ice fest spammer.

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Have a quiche, now, or maybe a tort. You deserve it!-bristolpipe

I like to keep things simple, even if it's faaaken painful and miserable.-Stoney Middleton

This is grain, which any fool can eat, but for which the Lord intended a more divine means of consumption.-Friar Tuck

Actually I am haveing some doubts and concerns about how commercial guide companies make money on our public lands in a way that drasticly impacts the outdoor experience for the folks who just want to enjoy the cliffs without trying to make money.

Lots of people work hard pulling these festivals off and lots of climbers enjoy them. You don't enjoy them(which is cool if it's your thing), so you avoid them. Why not just avoid the "Icefest thread" too? Just saying.

Since this is a community forum there is nothing wrong with sharing ones opinion about these things. (Not saying tradman shares my opinion, maybe he just hates crowds for all I know.)

Thanks in advance for all the extra negative karma points this post will be sure to generate. Maybe Al will delete them all and give me 100 positive ones like he did for the ice fest spammer.

That's legit. I guess I just got a little chafed by the speed of the shift to negativity. I don't really care for the notion of being nutz to buts at the bottom of every ice climb either. Who gives a shite about the karma points?

Maybe I'm an old fart too as I hate the crowds with the festivals. But he wasn't dogging ice fest, just making a joking comment about not liking those events. As much as people post about these things being so awesome, there is a group of us that don't find them appealing. He didn't say it sucked and its for losers and resort to name calling. I find it refreshing to see others that don't get jazzed about a huge population coming in. As much as it brings in business, it also destroys climbs for a while, if not for the season. Just as much you think we're old farts (still in my 20's), we could say you must be egotistic and get validation from being seen at events. As much as you see a positive in these, we see negatives.