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Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 7:06 pm

This is a deep topic, i don’t have a rigid understanding of it all so it can be a bit all over the place but i will try my hardest to make it as clearly understandable as possible within my capabilities.

Astrologically, this involves all planets, but clearly some stand out more such a Sun, Mars, Moon & Mercury.

Moon & Mars being emotional pattern or instincts, this does not stem from the logical mind. Then again i am a Moon conjunct Mars, so perhaps this is my own personal limitation of Moon & Mars, or at least understanding them?

Mercury is logical, Sun is to me at least part of them both.

Then we have a huge complexity of signs, houses & aspects… trying to simplify a complex thing is not easy so please do not pick me apart too much 😛

Believing the Earth is flat.

Believing everything they hear.

Believing “luck” or waiting on some moment that things will change or will get better without any momentum, skill set, training or preparation.

I can show videos of such things. I believe that everything has an answer, at least logically, although this is untrue, to find an answer you need both sides of the brain, at least in my own theory, emotional & logical reasoning. When it falls flat on either side, what are we left to work with? higher learning and understanding and experience can push further where most get limited, but that’s another topic.

So these are people who are i don’t know if deluded is the right word, but see trained fighters as someone they can go toe to toe with in their ball game. Of course this points to “Believing “luck” or waiting on some moment that things will change or will get better without any momentum, skill set, training or preparation.”

This would be a discussion with a “Flat Earther”

This to me is a form of either rebelling against society and joint opinion because YES sorry to say it many of us have never seen outer space for ourselves, but logically, it’s round and it makes full sense ok? we only need to look in the sky at night or in the day, round objects in the sky 🙂

This could be some heavy Mercurial dissonance in a chart.

I have this going on, a big fight between Pluto, Moon & Mars, though i am still able to think clear enough and logically at least to my own perception and the bounced feedback from the world. Perhaps in big favor of Jupiter in exaltation in 12th? Mercury in 12th conjunct ASC. Leo is intercepted in my chart in first house & 12th.

Neptune may be playing a part here with Mercury? Mercury in fall or detriment?

And then without any videos needed, we can look to people who rely heavily on the whispers to their chosen god and believing they are nothing.

As a 12th house Sun opposite Saturn in 6th, this is one side of me i have needed to grasp myself, standing up to people and for yourself can give you a big impression of YOU, that is ME doing that, i am ME, wow i love ME! Do you understand? 🙂 People who are like me will still need their spiritual alone time & need to escape, my escape helps me develop my mind and understanding.

So when we rely on someone else to carry our troubles or mental issues we never learn & dismiss something under an umbrella of mass belief & it becomes irrelevant until reality comes crashing into your own life.

Now take me as a person you can study, i see Astrology & Religion as two VERY separate entities, i am able to map things out in my mind that are above or “radical” or “unusual” to common ways, but the end result is 99% correct.

Which comes to another point, do not mistake someones behavior as 1 thing or reason at that time, it can be a mass amount of things together, and the individual may be extremely impressive if nurtured to the right degree and given the freedom to grow the better parts of their character.

So again looking at the Flat Earther, a person with a critical & non believing mind may be exceptional at getting to the core of someone who is manipulative or a liar.

Or this person could simply just be “stupid” but i don’t believe fully that everyone is “stupid” we all have choices, we all have minds no matter how small or how great, a mass network, we are one, but we fail and do not want to assimilate. The world is a huge image of that “one”

Rich & poor, selfish and giving, war & peace.

One common denominator: The negative.

When we focus too much on the negative we lose sight of the positive, we lose our ability to control ourselves, we lose the manifestation ability and then we start becoming the mass consciousness instead of seeing it and developing ourselves around it to bring forwards our own positive natures.

Sometimes i start conversations and it can veer into something else, it creates, it flows.

But then i can go too far. Moon & Pluto & Mars squaring Mercury make it hard for me, yet give me an edge too, see positivity can overcome negativity.

Here is my chart if you are interested.

Feel free to put whatever you want within the subject and even speak about what you see in my chart.

Thanks for reading 🙂

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 10:53 am

My thoughts about this is that people need to crack open some science books instead of getting their facts from youtubers who have no idea what they’re talking about.

This stuff kind of upsets me because it just shows the dumbing down of society.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 11:08 am

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My thoughts about this is that people need to crack open some science books instead of getting their facts from youtubers who have no idea what they’re talking about.

This stuff kind of upsets me because it just shows the dumbing down of society.

Books are an excellent resource, but how do they help a progressive mind? information cannot remain stagnant.

Believing a book has more credibility over a video because it is deemed socially more “intellectual” does not make it so.

Books like videos are expressed from someone or a collective much like a video.

I only used videos since it’s a lazy way of getting what i was saying across easier.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 11:16 am

M300 said

Believing a book has more credibility over a video because it is deemed socially more “intellectual” does not make it so.

That is not what I said and is not my point. My point is – there is a difference between someone with actual knowledge of science, someone who has studied a subject matter in depth vs. someone who has no idea what they are talking about and basing their ideas on absolutely no scientific research or evidence.

If I have a question on a subject matter, I’d be looking for an expert, a person with the most experience studying and learning and researching a topic, not some random source online who I have no idea if they have any credentials or knowledge.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 11:53 am

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M300 said

Believing a book has more credibility over a video because it is deemed socially more “intellectual” does not make it so.

That is not what I said and is not my point. My point is – there is a difference between someone with actual knowledge of science, someone who has studied a subject matter in depth vs. someone who has no idea what they are talking about and basing their ideas on absolutely no scientific research or evidence.

If I have a question on a subject matter, I’d be looking for an expert, a person with the most experience studying and learning and researching a topic, not some random source online who I have no idea if they have any credentials or knowledge.

I could go get a qualification and extend my mind on a subject. Make a book and be one of those people you call “experts”

A logical fallacy is thinking that everyone not “qualified” is “incapable”

That is regarding others not myself.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 12:07 pm

I am actually at a cafe now on my phone so will not actually do an in depth response (although I do have something to say on this I knew an Aquarius that went off the deep end with it).

Just to say what’s with the batshit crazy on this forum lately? I.e. conflict out of nowhere

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 12:08 pm

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strawb. said

M300 said

Believing a book has more credibility over a video because it is deemed socially more “intellectual” does not make it so.

That is not what I said and is not my point. My point is – there is a difference between someone with actual knowledge of science, someone who has studied a subject matter in depth vs. someone who has no idea what they are talking about and basing their ideas on absolutely no scientific research or evidence.

If I have a question on a subject matter, I’d be looking for an expert, a person with the most experience studying and learning and researching a topic, not some random source online who I have no idea if they have any credentials or knowledge.

I could go get a qualification and extend my mind on a subject. Make a book and be one of those people you call “experts”

A logical fallacy is thinking that everyone not “qualified” is “incapable”

That is regarding others not myself.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 12:28 pm

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Sounds like your 12th house is talking 🙂 ‘Logic’ can be a hard thing to accept for this ‘boundless’ seeking aspect. .. I think that you have the power of imagination 🙂 … taking something that is obviously not a fact ‘too far’ as you described it, is in my opinion a great exercise. Why not! You never know what you can stumble upon! believing the parts which are obviously not (yet) true, is where one needs to pull oneself back!

(for eg. if you want to reach the end of the room to get a thing, the reality may be that you have to get up and walk there. but if you sat and pondered how you could bring this to you or wherever your imagination takes you! I am allll for it! 😀 …. you just never know! :)…but until you experience the thing magically moving and sitting in your hand, you might as well say as of now all you know is to get a thing from the end of the room, I have to get up and go get it.)

I also think that spiritually you only grow when you literally question the very basis of everything! staying grounded in outside (physical/structured) reality is important, however, the same process can take you on roller coaster ride on the spiritual path!

I respect people who say ‘I don’t know’. I find science and knowledge very limiting in trying to grasp what the ‘reality’ may be….

Beliefs are not the truth…

At a fundamental level, I would react almost similarly to a scientist as the guy who says that the earth is flat…both are believing something they haven’t experienced.

In the scientist I would admire his passion and dedication to make sense of the world in his way…. and in the ‘earth is flat’ guy I would admire that the guy is questioning the status quo.

If I had to invent a technology using the science available, he would be my guy! And if I was thinking about a different/out of the box way of doing something, I would make a call to the other guy!

Everyone has a role to play! 🙂

And I prefer fools, over people that blindly follow everything!

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 12:40 pm

If you need to find someone to perform a dental procedure or medical operation or build a plane that will fly you across an ocean, let me know how you get on hiring someone who isn’t qualified but not necessarily “incapable”. Im sure these ideals will serve you well. I know there is not just one kind of intelligence and I’m an open minded person but ideals don’t always match reality. There is a difference between ideas, beliefs and tried and tested facts. All I’m getting at is:don’t believe everything you read on the Internet. Sounds like a no brainer and yet. .. And I’m not specifically addressing you in that comment but a trend I am seeing where people stop questioning and looking for legitimate sources of information because we have become so bombarded by information and different ideas and opinions that people can also easily get conned and mislead.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 1:13 pm

Dang, I just wrote out a long post and lost it. Oh well.

Badically in my experience, I can believe anything. Beliefs and the mind are malleable. Some (many) people identify so strongly with a belief that they forget that they are the CHOOSER of belief. Some are even willing to kill over them.

I personally test any belief by trying it on and seeing how it feels in the part of my being that is before time (soul, infinite Self). Thats how I find whats True.

If I look outside for some confirmation of my belief, I will always find it. In that way, all beliefs are true on a rational level. The glass is half full and half empty. You could believe either and both would be technically true.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 1:17 pm

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(me brainstorming…..!)

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Sounds like your 12th house is talking 🙂 ‘Logic’ can be a hard thing to accept for this ‘boundless’ seeking aspect. .. I think that you have the power of imagination 🙂 … taking something that is obviously not a fact ‘too far’ as you described it, is in my opinion a great exercise. Why not! You never know what you can stumble upon! believing the parts which are obviously not (yet) true, is where one needs to pull oneself back!

(for eg. if you want to reach the end of the room to get a thing, the reality may be that you have to get up and walk there. but if you sat and pondered how you could bring this to you or wherever your imagination takes you! I am allll for it! 😀 …. you just never know! :)…but until you experience the thing magically moving and sitting in your hand, you might as well say as of now all you know is to get a thing from the end of the room, I have to get up and go get it.)

I also think that spiritually you only grow when you literally question the very basis of everything! staying grounded in outside (physical/structured) reality is important, however, the same process can take you on roller coaster ride on the spiritual path!

I respect people who say ‘I don’t know’. I find science and knowledge very limiting in trying to grasp what the ‘reality’ may be….

Beliefs are not the truth…

At a fundamental level, I would react almost similarly to a scientist as the guy who says that the earth is flat…both are believing something they haven’t experienced.

In the scientist I would admire his passion and dedication to make sense of the world in his way…. and in the ‘earth is flat’ guy I would admire that the guy is questioning the status quo.

If I had to invent a technology using the science available, he would be my guy! And if I was thinking about a different/out of the box way of doing something, I would make a call to the other guy!

Everyone has a role to play! 🙂

And I prefer fools, over people that blindly follow

totally agree!

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:05 pm

From what I have seen of people, sometimes you get these really powerful individuals with all these spiritual gifts, who know truths right down to their soul that are just not using them properly.

So for instance a high energy person with all this love and empathy etc. who becomes a bit of a hippy- left wing lowlife, or someone who talks about ethics and starts trying to screw girls with boyfriends perhaps.

In order to switch off from their intuitive understanding of truth they have to believe an anti truth that disconnects them from all the obvious truths around them and the realisation that certain people outside them are correct. For instance, if you believe the earth is flat then anyone who is knowledgeable about politics and conspiracy is automatically a moron whose point of view, if it runs counter to yours, you can dismiss. This is the draw of the flat earth… EVERYONE IS WRONG BUT ME!

Such people justly deserve such twisting of their minds in my opinion.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:42 pm

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From what I have seen of people, sometimes you get these really powerful individuals with all these spiritual gifts, who know truths right down to their soul that are just not using them properly.

So for instance a high energy person with all this love and empathy etc. who becomes a bit of a hippy- left wing lowlife, or someone who talks about ethics and starts trying to screw girls with boyfriends perhaps.

In order to switch off from their intuitive understanding of truth they have to believe an anti truth that disconnects them from all the obvious truths around them and the realisation that certain people outside them are correct. For instance, if you believe the earth is flat then anyone who is knowledgeable about politics and conspiracy is automatically a moron whose point of view, if it runs counter to yours, you can dismiss. This is the draw of the flat earth… EVERYONE IS WRONG BUT ME!

Such people justly deserve such twisting of their minds in my opinion.

There is a video fully debunking the myth that the Earth is flat here done by Discovery channel.

If they can still attempt to say they are wrong.. all hope is lost.

However questioning what we think is right is a good way of purging out BS, we all should do this on a personal level and most of us do to make sure we are on track in life.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:51 pm

You don’t need a video such as that, you just need a functioning brain. If I can figure out it is crap within a few minutes of hearing about it then so should anyone else be able to… Precisely. These are very powerful individuals that often have to redirect their previously positive energy to such craziness. They have to be powerful enough to resist the oncoming karmic onslaught of such discordant beliefs and stay the course. Think… Bruce Lee, spiritual power!

Karma has to find a way of dealing with such an individual if they start going down a dark path!

Simply plot a course from one side of the earth all the way round and back to the same spot is functionally impossible in the flat earth and is done pretty much daily. Even if you consider it a flat saucer with the two poles as the outer rim.

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Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - 7:52 pm

As to point out what i meant about positivity and not focusing on the negative, this is a very minor thing though it’s not to be sniffed at, an anomaly Bruce Lee had, his right leg shorter than his left by one inch gave him back problems, though it gave him a big advantage on the kicks he could do.

Now use the same reasoning for everything, even a Flat Earther has his place. But some will not use their gifts as pointed out above!