New York’s Green New Deal

On January 15, 2019 New York State Governor Andrew M. Cuomo did his State of the State Address. His 2019 Justice Agenda included 12 proposals under part 4 “Launching the Green New Deal”:

· Mandate 100 Percent Clean Power by 2040 – This will mandate that all electricity will be “carbon free by 2040.

· New York’s Path to Carbon Neutrality – The heads of relevant state agencies and other workforce, environmental justice, and clean energy experts will develop a plan to make New York carbon neutral.

· A Multibillion Dollar Investment in the Clean Tech Economy that will Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions – There will be $1.5 billion in competitive awards to support 20 large-scale solar, wind, and energy storage projects across upstate New York.

· Expand NY Green Bank and Catalyze at Least $1 Billion in Private Capital – The NY Green Bank is a $1 billion investment fund designed to accelerate clean energy deployment and they will expand its charter.

· Chart a Path to Making New York’s Statewide Building Stock Carbon Neutral – There are plans for more energy efficiency investments.

· Direct State Agencies and Authorities to Pursue Strategies to Decarbonize their Investment Funds and Ramp Up Investment in Clean Energy – Commence a process to review and evaluate the feasibility and appropriateness of divesting from fossil fuels for agencies and authorities.

· Increase Carbon Sequestration and Meet the U.S. Climate Alliance Natural and Working Lands Challenge – This will establish a carbon sequestration goal for our natural and working lands.

· Create a Carbon-to-Value Innovation Agenda and Establish the CarbonWorks Foundry – This will create a Carbon-to-Value Innovation Agenda as a blueprint for the future of carbon-to-value technology as well as carbon capture, utilization and storage in New York.

· Deliver Climate Justice for Underserved Communities – The Green New Deal will help historically underserved communities prepare for a clean energy future and adapt to climate change by codifying the Environmental Justice and Just Transition Working Group into law and incorporating it into the planning process for the Green New Deal’s transition.

· Create a Fund to Help Communities Impacted by the Transition Dirty Power – This will provide funding to help communities that are directly affected by the transition away from conventional energy industries and toward the new clean energy economy

· Develop Clean Tech Workforce and Protect Labor Rights – The Green New Deal will continue to require prevailing wage, and the State’s offshore wind projects will be supported by a requirement for a Project Labor Agreement.

· Make New York the National Hub for Offshore Wind and Deploy 9,000 Megawatts by 2035 -The Green New Deal will accelerate offshore wind progress in three specific areas: port infrastructure, workforce development, and transmission infrastructure.

Not surprisingly there are no details other than the announcement, no mention of potential costs and no explanation how all this will affect any of the many impacts that he claims are caused by climate change. The following is the Green New Deal section.

Part 4. Launching the Green New Deal

Recognizing the imperative to create healthy communities today while protecting the environment for generations to come, Governor Cuomo is consistently on the front lines of the battle against climate change. In addition to securing environmental protection and promoting sustainability, the Governor’s vision for a clean, resilient New York calls for the clean energy industry to be a significant engine of economic opportunity and growth.

The signs of a changing climate are indisputable. When Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico in late 2017, Governor Cuomo and New Yorkers across the state leapt to action to deliver aid and support. In response to an official request from Governor Ricardo Rosselló, Governor Cuomo led a sweeping effort to provide emergency goods and services and deployed more than 1,000 personnel including hundreds of utility workers and power experts to help with electricity restoration. In stark contrast to the federal government, New York’s commitment to Puerto Rico remains unwavering, but without swift action to reduce the greenhouse gasses that drive climate change, devastating hurricanes like Maria—and Superstorm Sandy—will be the new normal.

During Governor Cuomo’s first two terms, New York banned fracking of natural gas, committed to phasing out coal power by 2020, and was among the first states to mandate 50 percent renewable power by 2030. Under the Reforming the Energy Vision (REV) agenda, renewable energy is growing rapidly across the state: solar has increased over 1,500 percent, New York has held the largest renewable energy procurements by a state in U.S. history, and offshore wind is poised to transform the state’s electricity supply to be cleaner and more sustainable. Governor Cuomo’s climate leadership is demonstrating that a transition to clean energy is more than technically feasible and cost-effective – it can be an engine of new economic opportunity.

Amidst the Trump Administration’s assault on the environment and in order to continue New York’s progress in the fight against climate change, Governor Cuomo is announcing New York’s Green New Deal, a nation-leading clean energy and jobs agenda that will put the state on a path to carbon neutrality across all sectors of New York’s economy. At the Governor’s direction, New York will move boldly to achieve this goal with specific near-term actions and long-term strategies to spur unparalleled innovation and transform the state’s electric, transportation, and building infrastructure while prioritizing the needs of low- and moderate-income New Yorkers. This landmark initiative will further drive the growth of New York’s clean energy economy, create tens of thousands of high-quality 21st century jobs, provide all New Yorkers with cleaner air and water by reducing harmful emissions, and set an example of climate leadership for the rest of the nation and world to follow.

Proposal. Mandate 100 Percent Clean Power by 2040

As part of the Green New Deal, Governor Cuomo is proposing a mandate of 100 percent clean, carbon-free electricity in New York State by 2040, the most aggressive goal in the United States and five years sooner than the target recently adopted by California. The cornerstone of this new goal is an increase of New York’s successful Clean Energy Standard mandate from 50 percent to 70 percent renewable electricity by 2030. This globally unprecedented ramp-up of renewable energy will include:

· Quadrupling New York’s offshore wind target to 9,000 megawatts by 2035, up from 2,400 megawatts by 2030

· Doubling distributed solar deployment to 6,000 megawatts by 2025, up from 3,000 megawatts by 2023

· More than doubling new large-scale land-based wind and solar resources through the Clean Energy Standard

· Maximizing the contributions and potential of New York’s existing renewable resources

· Deploying 3,000 megawatts of energy storage by 2030

Achieving 100 percent carbon-free electricity will require investments in resources capable of meeting diverse demands throughout the state, as well as a substantial increase in cost-effective energy efficiency. Harnessing a complementary set of carbon-free energy resources will assure reliability and affordability for all New Yorkers as the electricity system is both modernized and optimized. To ensure that clean energy opportunities are available for those that need it most, as part of this nation-leading commitment, Governor Cuomo is directing the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA), in concert with the Department of Public Service (DPS), to expand and enhance their Solar For All program and couple it with energy savings opportunities, increasing access to affordable and clean energy for low-income, environmental justice and other underserved communities.

Proposal. New York’s Path to Carbon Neutrality

The Green New Deal will create the State’s first statutory Climate Action Council, comprised of the heads of relevant state agencies and other workforce, environmental justice, and clean energy experts to develop a plan to make New York carbon neutral. The Climate Action Council will consider a range of possible options, including the feasibility of working with the U.S. Climate Alliance to create a new multistate emissions reduction program that covers all sectors of the economy including transportation and industry and exploring ways to leverage the successful Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative to drive transformational investment in the clean energy economy and support a just transition.

The Climate Action Council will also identify and make recommendations on regulatory measures, clean energy programs, and other State actions and policies that will ensure the attainment of statewide emission reduction and carbon neutrality goals. The Council will consider programs and measures that can significantly and cost-effectively reduce emissions from all major sources, including electricity, transportation, buildings, industry, commercial activity, and agriculture. The Council will also explore opportunities for the beneficial electrification of transportation and heating of buildings as a means to drive substantial and deep emissions reductions. Finally, the Council will make recommendations to ensure a just transition to the clean energy economy for New York’s world-class workforce and most vulnerable citizens.

The Climate Action Council will commence its work immediately in order to support the development of the next State Energy Plan over the next two years and will provide meaningful opportunities for public comment as it develops New York’s first carbon neutrality roadmap.

Proposal. A Multibillion Dollar Investment in the Clean Tech Economy that will Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Demonstrating New York’s real-time commitment to implementing the most ambitious clean energy agenda in the United States, Governor Cuomo is also announcing $1.5 billion in competitive awards to support 20 large-scale solar, wind, and energy storage projects across upstate New York. These projects will drive a total of $4 billion in direct investment in New York’s growing clean energy economy, as well as add over 1,650 megawatts of capacity and generate over 3,800,000 megawatt-hours of renewable energy annually – enough to power nearly 550,000 homes and create over 2,600 short-term and long-term jobs. Once all permitting and local requirements are met, several projects are expected to break ground as early as August 2019 and all projects are expected to be operational by 2022. The projects will reduce carbon emissions by more than 2 million metric tons, equivalent to taking nearly 437,000 cars off the road. Combined with the renewable energy projects previously announced under the Clean Energy Standard, New York has now awarded more than $2.9 billion to 46 projects, accelerating New York’s progress and commitment to Governor Cuomo’s Green New Deal.

In 2013, Governor Cuomo announced NY Green Bank, a $1 billion investment fund designed to accelerate clean energy deployment. Since then, NY Green Bank has become globally recognized as a leading sustainable infrastructure investor, committing nearly $640 million and mobilizing nearly $1.75 billion in private capital for clean energy projects across the state.

Building on NY Green Bank’s successful and self-sustaining track record, Governor Cuomo announced in the fall of 2017 that NY Green Bank would raise at least $1 billion of private capital and expand its clean energy investing activities nationally. To deliver on that commitment and further support the Green New Deal, Governor Cuomo is now calling for the development of terms for a public-private partnership to effectuate NY Green Bank’s third-party capital raise and national expansion.

Proposal. Chart a Path to Making New York’s Statewide Building Stock Carbon Neutral

Buildings – and the fossil fuels traditionally used to heat and cool them – are a significant source of energy-related carbon pollution. As such, Governor Cuomo has made the improvement of energy efficiency in buildings a major priority. The Governor’s New Efficiency: New York agenda, released on Earth Day 2018, contains a comprehensive portfolio of proposals and strategies to meet an ambitious new target of reducing on-site energy consumption by 185 trillion BTUs by 2025. In addition, Governor Cuomo launched RetrofitNY in 2016 to stimulate the development of an energy efficiency industry that can tackle the challenge of deep building retrofits that will enhance building performance, reduce energy usage, and improve the quality of life for low- and moderate-income New Yorkers.

Because buildings are one of the most significant sources of greenhouse gas emissions, Governor Cuomo is announcing a comprehensive strategy as part of the Green New Deal to move New York’s building stock to carbon neutrality. The agenda includes:

· Advancing legislative changes to support energy efficiency including establishing appliance efficiency standards, strengthening building energy codes, requiring annual building energy benchmarking, disclosing energy efficiency in home sales, and expanding the ability of state facilities to utilize performance contracting.

· Directing the Public Service Commission to ensure that New York’s electric and gas utilities achieve more in scale, innovation, and cost effectiveness to achieve the state’s 2025 energy efficiency target, especially through their energy efficiency activities and clean heating and cooling programs, and that a substantial portion of new energy efficiency activity benefits low- and moderate-income New Yorkers.

· Directing State agencies to ensure that their facilities lead by example through energy master planning, net zero carbon construction, LED retrofits, annual benchmarking, and by meeting their electricity needs through clean and renewable sources of energy, specifically including the exploration of clean energy solutions at State Parks and at State facilities within the Adirondack Park to dramatically reduce emissions, create jobs, and increase resiliency.

· Developing a Net Zero Roadmap to articulate policies and programs that will enable longer-term market transformation to a statewide carbon neutral building stock.

· Together, these bold actions will establish New York as a global leader on environmentally sustainable buildings while catalyzing major economic development opportunities and helping to create good jobs.

Proposal. Direct State Agencies and Authorities to Pursue Strategies to Decarbonize their Investment Funds and Ramp Up Investment in Clean Energy

In 2018, Governor Cuomo called on the New York Common Fund, which manages over $200 billion in retirement assets for more than one million New Yorkers, to adopt a serious and responsible plan for decarbonizing its portfolio. Over the past year, the Governor has worked with the Office of the Comptroller to establish an advisory panel of experts to develop a decarbonization roadmap and guide the Common Fund toward investment opportunities that combat climate change.

As part of the Green New Deal, Governor Cuomo is taking the next step, by directing State authorities, public benefit corporations, and the State Insurance Fund, which collectively hold approximately $40 billion in investments, to commence a process to review and evaluate the feasibility and appropriateness of divesting from fossil fuels. To scale up investment in renewable energy, green infrastructure, and climate solutions, agencies and authorities will also work to educate plan administrators and investment consultants regarding investment opportunities in the clean energy sector.

Proposal. Increase Carbon Sequestration and Meet the U.S. Climate Alliance Natural and Working Lands Challenge

In 2015, Governor Cuomo launched the Climate Resilient Farming Program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture and to increase resiliency of New York State farms impacted by climate change. Just last year, New York accepted the U.S. Climate Alliance’s Natural and Working Lands challenge, ensuring that land stewardship and land sequestration efforts join energy reduction and adaptation activities as part of our collective climate solutions.

To meet our Natural and Working Lands commitment, Governor Cuomo will establish new research partnerships to incorporate forest and agricultural carbon into New York’s greenhouse gas inventory and climate strategy and to establish a carbon sequestration goal for our natural and working lands. To help achieve this goal, Governor Cuomo proposes doubling the State’s investment in the Climate Resilient Farming program and creating new forestry grant programs—enhancing the Healthy Soils NY program and enabling farmers, forest owners, and communities to achieve the economic and environmental co-benefits of sound management practices.

Avoiding the worst consequences of climate change will require not only reductions in emissions using existing technologies, but also innovation, particularly with respect to withdrawing CO2 from the Earth’s atmosphere. Innovative new technologies are emerging in response to this challenge that can capture CO2 from the atmosphere and either permanently sequester the carbon underground or transform it into valuable fuel or products, known as carbon-to-value. While many of these technologies are still in their infancy, they show promise in the collective fight to address climate change.

Accordingly, Governor Cuomo is announcing that in 2019, New York State, with the help of experts, environmental groups, academic institutions, and other stakeholders will create a Carbon-to-Value Innovation Agenda as a blueprint for the future of carbon-to-value technology as well as carbon capture, utilization and storage in New York. NYSERDA will provide $15 million to support multiple efforts to further New York’s Carbon-to-Value Innovation Agenda. This will include NYSERDA and SUNY working with academic institutions, experts, and philanthropic partners to establish the CarbonWorks Foundry, a new incubator and accelerator devoted to carbon-to-value technology development with a focus on carbon harvesting. Finally, NYSERDA will engage other State agencies to create a framework for a low-carbon procurement standard, which can create a market for low-carbon cement and concrete, building materials, and other valuable low-emissions products.

Proposal. Deliver Climate Justice for Underserved Communities

In 2016, the Governor introduced an ambitious environmental justice framework, establishing a statewide commitment to addressing the historic disparate environmental burdens suffered by communities of color and low-income communities. In 2017, he introduced an Environmental Justice and Just Transition Working Group to ensure that environmental justice and a just transition of New York’s workforce are an integral part of New York’s clean energy and climate agenda. In the past 3 years, New York State has invested more than $16 million through the Environmental Protection Fund in environmental justice initiatives. New York also currently has over 151,000 individuals employed by clean energy industries throughout the state and has committed $70 million in workforce training in the clean energy economy. As part of the Green New Deal, Governor Cuomo will build upon these important foundations for making environmental justice and just transition central to moving to a carbon neutral economy.

The Green New Deal will help historically underserved communities prepare for a clean energy future and adapt to climate change by codifying the Environmental Justice and Just Transition Working Group into law and incorporating it into the planning process for the Green New Deal’s transition. To increase the effect of funds and initiatives that target energy affordability, the Governor is directing the State’s low-income energy task force to identify reforms to achieve greater impact of the public energy funds expended each year. The Governor is also directing each of the State’s ten Regional Economic Development Councils to develop an environmental justice strategy for their region.

New York State currently directs more than $700 million in ratepayer and federal funds each year to combat energy poverty and increase access to clean energy solutions for the 2.3 million low-income households in the state. However, current programs only reach 1.4 million households each year with bill assistance programs, and less than 20,000 households each year with clean energy measures.

As part of the Green New Deal, Governor Cuomo will address energy poverty in New York State by directing the low-income energy task force, comprised of NYSERDA, DPS, OTDA, and HCR, to develop a roadmap and unified strategy to increase the impact of funds and initiatives that target energy affordability. Specifically, the Governor is directing the task force to assess policy, programmatic, and administrative reforms necessary to achieve greater impact of public funds expended each year.

Proposal. Create a Fund to Help Communities Impacted by the Transition Dirty Power

Governor Cuomo is introducing legislation to provide funding to help communities that are directly affected by the transition away from conventional energy industries and toward the new clean energy economy. Specifically, this funding will protect communities impacted by the retirement of conventional power generation facilities. The Governor is also calling upon the Environmental and Just Transition Working Group to contribute to and advise on the development of a Just Transition Roadmap for the Green New Deal.

Proposal. Develop Clean Tech Workforce and Protect Labor Rights

To ensure creation of high-quality clean energy jobs, large-scale renewable energy projects supported by the Green New Deal will continue to require prevailing wage, and the State’s offshore wind projects will be supported by a requirement for a Project Labor Agreement. To prepare New York’s workforce for the transition, New York State will take new steps to support workforce development, including establishing a New York State Advisory Council on Offshore Wind Economic and Workforce Development, as well as investing in an offshore wind training center that will provide New Yorkers with the skills and safety training required to construct this clean energy technology in New York.

Proposal. Make New York the National Hub for Offshore Wind and Deploy 9,000 Megawatts by 2035

New York is leading the nation on offshore wind, which, as an emerging clean energy industry in the U.S., has tremendous potential for both the energy sector and economic development in the state. Called for by Governor Cuomo and released in 2018, New York’s Offshore Wind Master Plan is the most comprehensive offshore wind strategy in the country and has charted the course for this energy resource to play a significant role in achieving a carbon-free electricity grid. In November 2018, New York issued its first major offshore wind solicitation for at least 800 megawatts, which will set the stage for large-scale development of this important resource and the economic advantages that come with it.

To ensure New York State is the focal point for offshore wind development and this growing industry, Governor Cuomo is proposing nearly quadrupling the State’s target for offshore wind deployment from 2,400 megawatts by 2030 to 9,000 megawatts by 2035, the most aggressive offshore wind goal in U.S. history. To complement this bold statement of national and global leadership, Governor Cuomo is directing new actions, as part of the Green New Deal, to accelerate offshore wind progress in three specific areas: port infrastructure, workforce development, and transmission infrastructure.

Ports: Invest $200 million in New York port infrastructure to unlock private supply chain capital and maximize the long-term economic benefits to the state from the regional development of offshore wind. This multi-location investment would represent the nation’s largest infrastructure commitment to offshore wind and would solidify New York’s position as the hub of the burgeoning U.S. offshore wind industry.

Workforce Development: Establish a New York State Advisory Council on Offshore Wind Economic and Workforce Development and invest in an offshore wind training center that will provide New Yorkers with the skills and safety training required to construct this clean energy technology right here in New York.

Transmission: Initiate a first of its kind effort to evaluate and facilitate the development of an offshore transmission grid that can benefit New York ratepayers by driving down offshore wind generation and integration costs.

The development and adoption of offshore wind is a critical component of the transition to a clean energy economy and presents a major economic opportunity for New Yorkers, including the creation of thousands of high-quality jobs. With these new commitments, the New York will continue to lead in this exciting and developing field.

Renewable energy, though laudable in the most myopic terms, doesn’t scale up to power a modern economy. I read a study a while ago that stated that it takes a 7:1 ratio of energy in to energy out to sustain our way of life. IIRC fossil fuels are 40 – 90. Renewables like wind and solar barely break even 1 – 3, meaning that they might produce enough energy to replace themselves but cannot support a modern society.

I’m thinking that Governor Cuomo should also incorporate a “Mortality Priority Protocol” as part of the New Green Deal. His thoughts would be helpful in determining which segments of the population will be deemed non-essential.

Not to mention that a lot of the solar power is delivered when it is not needed in the grid, consequently wasting that power or requiring that power to be sold outside the country in question at a significant loss.

I had studied this question about four years ago both before and when I went to Europe. You are absolutely correct about the cost of power and the fact that the poorer folks in Germany can not afford it. The average German pays about four or five times more for electricity than I do. And it hasn’t reduced Germany’s CO2 emissions, as EPA showed in information they put out last year, I believe. The USA has reduced their CO2 emissions much more than the European countries ever could.

All – Don’t feed trolls. Starve them by ignoring their time wasting comments. They don’t aim to contribute to the discussion, they aim to waste everyone’s time, and sidetrack those who wish to offer intelligent and useful comments on blogs and other forums. As Crocodile Dundee said in his eponymous movie ‘to train a dog, first you have to be smarter than the dog’. Same for trolls.

True, but only intermittently. Without back up generation from fossil fuels their electrical grids would quickly (within hours or maybe minutes) grind to a halt.

Claiming that Germany, UK and Spain can run on renewables because they all occasionally can get a significant amount of energy from renewables is like saying my Porsche 911 gets 200 mpg (when I’m in neutral coasting down a hill). Both statements are technically true, but totally misleading.

Well said. The “Green New Deal” is such fertile ground for corruption and half-baked baloney schemes, and will NOT reduce New York’s CO2 emissions at all, compared to what is already happening in the USA as a whole.

Griff, for every the rare day the UK gets 30% of it’s electricity from renewables, there are far more when it’s less than 5%. And it comes at a cost. Electricity is 50% higher in real terms than it was 10 years ago. And of course, Germany has the highest electricity charges in Europe causing real hardship amongst the poor. Plus their grid is far more vulnerable than it ever used to be.

Germany is now running away from wind and solar, toward coal. They have seen the handwriting on the wall. In the meantime, China has created a new policy that renewables will not be used unless and until the cost of electricity generated by them is less than that generated by fossil fuels.

Wow, the Chinese Communists are actually operating under market economic principles! While our communists here (Cuomo and Ocasio-Cortez) are doubling down on failure. How richly ironic, but very sad for the people of New York (we can stop the idiot Ocasio-Cortez from doing damage nationwide; let California and New York stew their way to bankruptcy).

So where does that unneeded power go that solar provides? Outside of Germany. Whether or not the European grid is integrated, I assure you there is a lot of waste and economic misallovation going on, no matter where power ends up.

LIT, I think you and MarkW are in agreement; I believe what MarkW was referring to is the fact that since the European grid is integrated, running off at the mouth about how much electricity Germany supposedly “gets from renewables” is essentially nonsense.

Germany went solar and norway gets rich using their hydro power to load balance. BC Hydro does the same thing with California

During the day when california has too much power and the wholesales price drops to zero, hydro dams stop generating and buy power. Then at night when California has no power and the wholesale price jumps to more than the retail price, the hydro dams start generating.

This results in hundreds of millions of dollars for the hydro producers, all paid for by California.

This has led to the massive construction of natural gas load following generation because there is so much money to be made.

Strictly speaking, Denmark, UK and Germany only can have such a high % of renewables because they are linked to the French nuclear grid for when the wind doesn’t blow. In Germany the price spike has become unbearable and they are going back to brown coal.

Their high percentage of renewables is actually the theoretical capacity they could generate when the wind blows at exactly the right strength. The so called Goldilocks wind. Not too low, so they don’t generate enough to power their systems. Not too high, so the windmills shut down for safety reasons. But “just right”.

On any real day on the real Earth they don’t get the Goldilocks wind, so hydro, coal and gas needs to make up the difference.

griff,
Liar. You are conflating energy produced versus energy consumed. And your use of the word “significant” is an additional intentional attempt to mislead the reader. You have been told this many times, so you have no excuse, which makes you a liar.

I will enjoy watching New York struggle with power demand during a snow storm. Actually I won’t enjoy it, I’ll be praying for the people freezing in their homes. No doubt some people like Mr Cuomo will have back up generators powered by … Yep you guessed it.

Have you forgotten the Green rationale?
A bird’s for protecting, a birdie’s your pal.
But Earth needs a- savin’, let’s not mince our words,
from evil deniers, who say we mince birds.
We’ll say what we must, to win in the end,
“Oh, but Cats Kill Birds” is a Greenies best friend.

Great point…I Love it!!! However, how many domestic cats hunt full grown raptors that help keep rodent and other vermin populations in check? That will mean more pesticides to get into the receiving waters. Ooops!!!

Just a bit more than that as Wind Turbines kill an average of 1 (1.2) bird(s) and 2 bats per turbinr per year.
Averaged over 300 – 400,000 wind turbines global (total capacity in 2017 of 539,291 MW average 2 MW units = 270,000 units)

Let’s make sure they don’t simply shift fossil fueled generation over the state line as California plans. Cut the wires and hold them accountable. Unfortunately, those responsible will be dead, hiding, forgotten or gone by then.

As a TAX PAYING NY resident, there only one option…. Escape from NY… Not just the City, the whole dang State. As long as his lordship is at the helm with his not so well thought out policy, there is little hope. The same very people screaming for “green energy” and investment will be the same people protesting against the “development” of it…if it impacts them or something dear to them.
Just look what happened to the NY Reional Interconnect or NYRI about a decade ago. It simply was a proposal to run power lines along mostly already established right of way and through a portion of forests and wetlands to stave off the “bottleneck” of power going from upstate to the NYC metro area. People came out of the woodwork to protest it for a number of reasons including environmental concerns but also perceived threats to property values, hence the “NIMBY-ism”
Once his lordship tries to force these projects down his own followers throats, it will be interesting to see from afar how “cannibalism” really works.😁

I think the fact that ctm was worried that I was making this up says it all. Outside of his NY supporters this is a joke and so over the top to not be considered credible. I too am considering a move out of the state where I was born, raised and raised my family.

It will be a tough call which will be the largest dysfunctional energy market. NY or CA?
Tough call but those two are the clear and unchallenged front runners.
Setting new benchmarks for Virtue Signalling.

If they could be “walled” off from the electric grid then this would be fun to watch, but unfortunately NY and likely CA is part of a larger multi-state electricity grid so some of those “goals” won’t be measurable. I’m sure they’ll be putting strain on the grid as their electric companies go carbonless but I don’t see them paying a big toll as far as not having electricity. It could be fun to watch though.

Kalifornia is not walled off. Nevada is building solar arrays as fast as possible – mostly to sell to Kali.
But our new Governor wants to increase the amount of electricity we get from solar, too. We’ll see just how stupid – or haw many Kalifornians have moved into Nevada.

Try SA. Already at 50%, no coal fired power stations, trying to force gas powered stations out of the market and praying that the inter-connector to NSW can be constructed using other peoples’ money before they hit another black system.

“ There will be $1.5 billion in competitive awards to support 20 large-scale solar, wind, and energy storage projects across upstate New York.”

“HA”, most New York City residents considers all areas north of the City, up to and including the Catskills, as being “upstate New York”.

Governor Cuomo will surely need another $3 billion to pay for the replacement of all the “fuel oil” burning furnaces, …… installation of replacement “electrical” heating units/devices ………. and electrical “service” upgrade for a big majority of all NY residential properties.

So yup, up thru the 1980’s the Mohawk Valley area (Utica, Syracuse) was a thriving economy with manufacturing jobs galore, ….. but now resembles a 3rd world country of vacant buildings with the majority of the populace dependent upon State and/or Federal funds.

So yup, up thru the 1980’s the Mohawk Valley area (Utica, Syracuse) was a thriving economy with manufacturing jobs galore, ….. but now resembles a 3rd world country of vacant buildings with the majority of the populace dependent upon State and/or Federal funds.

Given that it is actually the people of New York , city and state, who will be carrying out this programme by providing the money without which nothing can happen , one wonders how much more they are willing and able to provide to satisfy Ms Nixon’s demands .

The elephant in the room is that neither former residents of New York nor California leave their liberalism behind. It travels with them to their new homes. The shift in politics in Austin, Texas over the last 25 years is a clear demonstration if one is needed.

Indeed, Communism spreads like a cancer when people think they can live at the expense of others.
But be sure, when it all collapses, and it necessarily will, they can always blame the white male for no longer tolerating their parasitism.

“Solar in Upstate New York is very similar to piling up several hundreds of thousands of 100 dollar bills and setting the on fire, except the burning 100 dollar bills will generate more heat.”

Solar upstate or downstate in New York is crazy. The general insanity of government is demonstrated by governments in places that have no business putting in solar (New York state, Germany) push solar, where governments in places that should be dominated by solar (United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia) instead push nuclear power.

From what I can tell, my home state of NJ is about the highest latitude you should go for a reasonable return on a solar system. When I say “reasonable” I mean including all the credits and incentives that go along with that.

Even in mideast desert countries, solar is a lousy idea. Think of the all labor and fossil fuel powered vehicles that would be running circuits constantly to clean the dust off of them so they actually work.

“Even in mideast desert countries, solar is a lousy idea. Think of the all labor and fossil fuel powered vehicles that would be running circuits constantly to clean the dust off of them so they actually work.”

There’s some shenanigans going on. The cost for this project is $870,000,000 which is straight up debt or raised capital. The average peak solar hours in the UAE is 6. Well, it’s less than that but I’m feeling generous. So, with a nameplate of 1,177 MW you’re going to get 1,177 x 24 x 30 x 0.25 or 211,860 MW-hr per month or 211,860,000 kW-hr. So that’s a revenue of $0.0294 x 211,860,000 or $6,228,684 per month. At 6%, the debt repayment is $5,512,989.85 per month. The delta is $715,694.15 per month. Out of that, you pay salaries, maintenance, etc., and assume nothing ever goes wrong. Ever. So, before expenses you’re seeing an annual rate of return of just under 1%. Yeah, I’ll invest in that, for sure.

Significant amounts of solar power in NY state will be … interesting in December and January. Upstate the people need no small amount of energy to stay warm. Heck, the city gets pretty cold, even with the UHI.

The problem is that they are not thinking at all! This is what happens when a populations is largely ignorant of science and technology; they are easy prey for scum-sucking opportunists who spin beautiful fairy tales of free power and chicken in every pot. Strange how no one ever talks about how much the free power and chicken are going to cost….

And the fingers point straight at public education from the bottom to the top. No critical thinking skills, inadequate STEM education and a complete sheep mentality.

How could any rational thinking person accept this “deal” without spending just a bit of time asking the question why and what impact will this have on global GHG emissions?
And since when do we refer to this as “carbon” and not “carbon dioxide”? Did some green marketing outfit decide that carbon was easier to sell than carbon dioxide?

And what happens when China decides they will no longer allow US to purchase the rare earth metals with which to produce the wind mills and solar panels?? We may have some friendly sources but I doubt it will be enough to light and heat the country.

bil johnston
I just saw something today about Japan having discovered a very large source of rare earth minerals. I don’t have any details, although I think I remember reading something a few months ago about rare earths on the sea floor off Japan.

New York is in a unique position of being able to get ‘green’ and cheap hydro electricity from Quebec, burnable fuels, not so much….Is Cuomo indirectly pushing nuclear? Doen’t seem so. Must be pushing electric cars….

Are wind and solar really sustainable? I guess it depends on the definition.

Over the short term, solar can only provide energy for a fraction of the day and wind can cease blowing for days at a time. Storage may level out these fundamental flaws but only at great expense, consumption of resources and loss of efficiency.

How much material and time will it take to manufacture the batteries needed for that kind of storage? Would they be Li-Ion? Lead-Acid? A mixture? It’s easy to talk about using batteries for storage but until someone understands the sheer physical size of such storage and the amount of material and time needed to make them it’s “FM” – F**king Magic.

I think people have seriously underestimated the amount of storage that will be needed and our capacity to manufacturer it.

Who are they going to “milk” when there is no middle class? The wealthy will never give up their riches, and the poor will always increase their demands. Paying no attention to what has happened elsewhere can be deadly (biggly!) The stench of crony-capitalism will overwhelm the folks. NY and CA could bring down the whole country.

Partly; mostly it’s because he’s been pressured by the fanatics and because public opinion in the U.S. has recently moved in the direction of Climatism, so he thinks it’ll be a vote-winner—and because he hopes to recruit ecofanatics to serve as campaign workers in his primary presidential campaigns.

Here’s how Cuomo’s last multi-billion dollar venture turned out folks:

“Kaloyeros and his co-defendants were convicted this summer of tailoring the bidding process on $855 million in state contracts to steer them toward local developers. The contracts were for high-tech facilities the school was building in Buffalo and Syracuse.

“This sentence serves as a warning to others in public life. If you engage in public corruption, you will be shown no mercy and you will go to jail,” Judge Valerie Caproni said as the sentence was handed down, according to the Buffalo News.

Buffalo-area developer Louis Ciminelli received a 28-month sentence earlier this month after his lawyers sought leniency because of Ciminelli’s battle with terminal cancer.

Fellow co-conspirators Steven Aiello and Joseph Gerardi of Cor Development were sentenced to three years and two-and-a-half years, respectively, last week. All three were also ordered to pay a $500,000 fine as part of their sentences. (mob coneted construction firm)

The scandal, which also ensnared former Cuomo aide and confidant Joe Percoco, raised questions about Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s upstate economic development plans, and Albany’s enduring culture of corruption and pay-to-play.

The governor has not been implicated in any wrongdoing” POLITICO (must have been laughing when the wrote this last line)

Have New Yorker’s forgotten the blackouts of the 60’s which with hindsight were blamed on political meddling with the price structure – price fixing.

This is going to pan out a lot worse.

When the lights go out and they cry out for help to engineers who know what they are doing – they will reject their advice – because it will not agree with their paradigm – crisis after crisis will ensue.

This is lunacy. Glad I can watch this slow motion trainwreck from a safe distance.

“Deploying 3,000 megawatts of energy storage by 2030” When the “energy experts” don’t know the elementary stuff – like knowing the difference between energy (watts) and energy storage (watthours) , you know this is going to turn out bad.
There are two issues here : 1) eliminate carbon dioxide emissions caused by power generation,
and 2) using renewable (not no-carbon) power generation – namely wind and solar.
As for the second issue, that 9,000 megawatts of power (actually 9 gigawatts) capacity of offshore
wind turbines will be lucky to produce an average of 3,000 megawatts, or the power that two nuclear power plants can produce, at all times. Remember that recent article that evaluated wind turbines – it found especially the large turbines as having lifespans about half that promised (roughly 25 -30 years) and roduced significantly less power with age, resulting in a doubling of the pronised costs of the power they produced.
Take those facts into account and concoct a carbon free power generation system using small modular molten salt reactors (which will be plentiful long before all of those wonderful green porojects are completed) and compare the prices. You can begin by comparing lifespans of the SMRs (probably 60 + years) versus solar (roughly 20 years) versus wind (roughly 10 -15 years actual) . The SMR output does not degrade over time, whereas both solar and wind power output degrades with time. Now examine the changes required
to the grid in order to accomodate the power technologies. And the maintenance required. Overall , look at the levelized cost of power – SMRs can produce at $40 per megawatthour, which is cheaper than everything except (cheap) natural gas. As for energy storage, molten salt SMRs don’t need any – they can load follow – no need for peak power generation using fossil fuels, hydro.
What he GOP needs to do is to employ their own experts to challenge the claims made by Cuomo and his
experts, and propose a far superior method of reducing carbon, realiing that there is no practical need to entirely eliminate the carbon.

This may well be a very good thing for those who support reason and logic. When Stalin, Mao, Castro and the current incompetents in Venezuela tried this centrally planned, magic thinking crap while ignoring what science says about how the universe really works, they had the advantage of the absence of or suspension of democracy. They could announce their plans for economies run on nothing but pseudo-virtuous good thoughts and not be contradicted or stopped till many millions were impovershed, jailed or dead. In the US there is still the vote and once voters feel the pain of eroding living standards they will quickly vote for reason and logic, i.e. a functioning energy-driven economy that does not have the power to control the weather or the movement of celestial bodies.

These far left leaders are gradually teaching the voters what liberal thinking is all about and it is pain all the way down. Once you tie your political philosophy to policies that impoverish and kill while destroying the landscape you are done.

“The Monday story chronicled the job creation short-comings of the state spending program.

The $750,000,000 Riverbend project, which today is the Tesla solar manufacturing facility. When pitched to the public, the Governor touted it would eventually employ 3,000 people. Today, there are some 600-700 workers at the plant.

IBM was hailed as coming to Buffalo and with it some 500 high-paying, high tech jobs. Instead, as our journalism partners at Investigative Post discovered, it is more like 200 jobs. It’s more of a call-center and the pay is not ‘high’.” NYT

The only good that can come from this bill is that it will have their name on it.

So that:
-When taxes become onerous
-Blackouts and brownouts become the norm
-Electricity prices triple or quadruple
-People begin to freeze in the dark because they’ll have to choose between food or electricity
-Hordes migrate to warmer climes to escape the cold, the dark, to leave NY state a freezing hull covered with twirling monuments of ignorance
-Middle and lower class hordes wearing yellow vests will beg for reliable/cheap power

Then it will become time to pin the blame and go back and look at the record to find out who led them down this dark cold road.

They will be pariahs who won’t be able to hide from their actions… even in their retirement ad dotage.
They will be chased around the windmills and solar panels that cover the countryside and shoreline like cheapjack swindlers, to escape from being tarred and feathered. Their legacies will be destroyed, and their children will deny them in shame.

Hopefully other states that think about going down this road will see and learn that something that shines and flashes is not always political gold!

Rud, I agree with your assessment. The sooner the pie-in-the-sky energy dreamers crash to reality the better. There is no such thing as “green” or “renewable” energy when you take into account the full spectrum of energy consumption and environmental pollution from acquiring and transporting raw materials, manufacturing parts – equipment – infrastructure, transport of parts – equipment – infrastructure, installation of equipment – infrastructure, maintenance of equipment – infrastructure, and de-installation and disposal of equipment. I’m glad I don’t live in one of those places and feel sorry for those that do.

Cuomo is doing his best to one up Newsom. I wonder what green pipe dreams Newson will promise us next. It’s virtue signaling on steroids as these 2 lead New York and California into more debt and more unreliable power.

I don’t get it.
(I mean, I REALLY don’t). As a guy with respiratory issues married to a wife with similar, I get why people can stomach throwing Tesla subsidies — I wasn’t part of that discussion, schmoe that I am, but breathing less exhaust every day because the pollution happens in a place with better scrubbers, etc, would definitely improve my QOL and take a lot of the petrocarbon reek out of the air. As a libertarian sort, I hate the subsidy thing, personally, but I get the political appeal of “anything that helps advance that technology.”

But this doesn’t even work for posturing. It will never happen, it would gut the economy if it did happen, and it won’t even deliver votes because anybody daffy enough to read this and clap has already drunk so much of the kool-aid that they’re permanently on-board. It’s just pure economic nonsense even if one accepts the (broad brush here) Keynesian Conceits.

New York City has so many people who are all democrats that popular votes like the Governor go that way. Worse until this year the Senate was a check on the democrat -run Assembly but the democrats took control of that in the last election. I expect that this will be rubber stamped if a vote is needed.

“…but without swift action to reduce the greenhouse gasses that drive climate change, devastating hurricanes like Maria—and Superstorm Sandy—will be the new normal.”

They already know that NY needs better sea defences. London did too, and so the Thames barrier was built by the 1980’s. No global-warming catastrophe was invoked to make the need obvious.

But hey, why go for a sensible solution when there is a much more expensive one available? (And one that won’t work, at that.) This pattern seems to be repeated in so many places, again and again. Political and environmental do-gooders forever lecturing us about their invented future, while simultaneously ignoring the directly related problems and solutions that are already known for certain. Knowing that there is little chance of them ever being held accountable must surely only encourage them.

“Make New York the National Hub for Offshore Wind and Deploy 9,000 Megawatts by 2035”

They are delusional. Texas has over 21,000 MW wind generator capacity and the grid has a base load of around 40,000 MW. 9,000 MW is inconsequential especially considering that it is intermittent. In 2017 the Texas grid had two 19 hour periods when wind accounted for less than one percent of the total load.

New York is pretty much an ossified one party state where current political allegiance runs deep. Every bill, every program is directed at ideological and economic constituencies that keep the governor in power. That the promises are not kept, the ideology is flawed, and the money is largely wasted or stolen is an accepted fact of life. All of this works in a time of general prosperity. When that stops some of this stops and we start the cycle over.

establish the CarbonWorks Foundry, a new incubator and accelerator devoted to carbon-to-value technology development with a focus on carbon harvesting.
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That is the same as a farmer saying he is going to stop planting corn and buy a bunch of new equipment to harvest corn.

Someone should point out that carbon already has value.
Of course if he is being disingenuous and really means CO2; that ALSO has value; it has been responsible for an increase in the growth of plants in NY agriculture and in the large forested preserves in “upstate” NY. The good news is you don’t have to invest a dime for the benefits of CO2 to continue.
(I can vouch that “Upstate” to the NYC elite who are driving this means anything north of Yonkers.)

I moved a decade ago from the Finger Lakes region of NYS for many reasons; but undeniably one of the attractive features was the beautiful long narrow lakes and the “mountain” ridges between the lakes. When I left, the awful intrusion of industrial wind plants (they are NOT lovely “wind farms”) that were denuding the north-south ridges had stopped just south of the Finger Lakes. Cuomo just announced the death knell of the scenic beauty of the Finger Lakes region.

In 2013, following the 2010 U.S. Census; it lost two seats in Congress. New York will lose at least 1 seat, maybe 2 in the 2020 census. The hilarious thing regarding this issue is Cuomo blamed the decline in population on New York’s long cold winters. If anything approaching reason and sanity existing in Little Cuomo’s pea-brain, it would tell him to welcome global warming with open arms.

Texas, Idaho, Florida will be big winners in that census. All have Republican governors and republican control of their legislatures. People are voting with their feet.

And Cuomo is just a nitwit “useful idiot” for the elites and tied to his party’s stupidity and deceit in their quest for power through socialism.

“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” ― H.L. Mencken

I imagine many New Yorkers (those who don’t vote Democrat religiously by muscle memory or reflex) might appreciate what H.L. Mencken was saying, when they read the above summary of their idiot governor’s new “Green Screw Deal” proposals. I don’t live in NY any more, and even I couldn’t get more than halfway through it without getting indigestion.

I’d say all rating agencies, based on these proposed “actions,” should IMMEDIATELY be reducing all NY credit, bond, or other “ratings” to “junk” status, as this screed is essentially New York’s announcement that it intends to voluntarily commit economic seppuku.

carbon-to-value technology
≠==========
Coal is carbon to value technology. So is farming and forestry.

About the only that doesn’t deliver carbon to values is politicians. They are like weeds. The more of these that sprout up, the less value we receive. Eventually you get so many the economy goes into reverse and every day you work more and more for less and less.

Huffington Post is reporting that a NYC councilman is pushing legislation to mandate NYC shut down its fossil fueled power plants and replace them with renewable energy sources. The plan would be due by the end of this year.

“..ASTORIA, N.Y. ― A top New York City councilman is preparing to introduce a bill mandating that the city come up with a plan by the end of the year to phase out nearly two dozen gas-fired power plants and replace them with renewable sources of electricity…”

If NYC and NY State are not looking to nuclear as a replacement for their fossil fuel power plants, methinks that they will have a rude awaking someday if they go through with this renewables (wind and solar) game plan. This is what happens when politicians listen to the wrong people…those who stomp their feet the hardest and pound on the table the hardest and scream and yell the loudest with their demands. The noise they make does not necessarily mean that they know what they are talking about.

Wind and solar energy, with current technologies, are eco-religious and eco-ideological doctrines that thrive on blind unquestioning belief, and nothing more.

Will the last person to leave NY please make sure the light switches are in the off position? We wouldn’t want to alarm the rats when the lights intermittently flash on as a windmill accidentally spins in the breeze.

Agree with most comments here, this is just virtue signalling. Can’t imagine this passing since a 70% renewable goal is suggested by 2030 and that is way too close for most politicians.

A look at the numbers for this proposal: 100% Renewable Electricity by 2040
NY uses about 500 trillion BTU of electricity a year. Shut down Indian Point Nuclear station by 2021 loses 52 TBTU, another 200 TBTU is natural gas. The 100% renewable will then need to replace 250 TBTU. Current renewable, not hydro, is about 35 TBTU. So NY needs to add 7 to 8 times as much wind/solar/bio as it currently produces by 2040. Not likely.

Also note that natural gas used (includes home heating) is 1,335 TBTU and transportation fuels are a similar number. So as hard as getting to 7 to 8 times as much renewable electrical energy, you have not made a dent in real CO2 emissions.

These commies really don’t understand what an economy is. If you are not profitable, if you are not producing more than you are consuming, you are DYING. Economic liberty (capitalism) maps out the world of profitable possibilities as people find ways NOT TO DIE.

Cuomo thinks he can come in and say: “Stop doing all that stuff you are doing to survive and start doing this other stuff that does NOT appear on the map of profitable activities that human activity is constantly charting and updating. Shifting to un-profitable activities, to eco-dreams that will not be pursued if they aren’t subsidized, will create jobs, since these will be the industries of the future. The world is headed this way, we decree it.”

They are decreeing mass suicide. Actual literal death. Which is what the deep greens want. They see a war between mankind and nature and they want mankind to lose. Cuomo might be that. He is clearly radical even by eco-lunatic standards.

But if he was smart enough to understand that to be sustainable an activity must be profitable then he would not be an eco-lunatic in the first place. Maximum likelihood is that he is an Ocasio-Cortez level economic illiterate, happy to hawk a unicorn-fart economy by touting its endless opportunities for graft, but even that is an economic illiterate’s fantasy.

Even thieves need profits to steal from. In NY all there will be to divvy up is a rotting corpse, a la Venezuela.

This is a good example of how the Green Machine works. In order to justify the theft of billions of dollars of taxpayer funds, they create a fake moral cause.

”
· Deliver Climate Justice for Underserved Communities – The Green New Deal will help historically underserved communities prepare for a clean energy future and adapt to climate change by codifying the Environmental Justice and Just Transition Working Group into law and incorporating it into the planning process for the Green New Deal’s transition.
”

Of course the result of this energy conversion will create massive hardships for lower paid workers who will have difficulty paying their energy bills, along with the exodus of their jobs as business relocates elsewhere.

New York State currently consumes 380TWh of gas primarily for heating. The planned $1.5bn to seed $4bn being spent to produce 3.8TWh of electricity from wind is 1% of what is needed to replace gas.

The greater challenge is that wind does not blow when the heating is needed. The best possible option would be wind blowing enough on a daily basis to provide enough energy when needed to minimise storage; meaning high winds during the winter period on a daily basis. In that case the optimised system cost with storage would be about 3-fold the cost of the unbuffered supply.

If the wind does not blow as needed on a daily basis but rather on a seasonal basis out of phase with the heating requirement then much greater storage capacity is required. If the state has the mountains, or access to them, for pumped storage sites then that is a good option for long term storage and cost is of order of 3-fold. If there are insufficient pumped storage then electricity to hydrogen becomes the most economic at 5-fold the cost of the basic generation.

Under favourable conditions, natural gas usage could be eliminated at a cost of around $2tr providing there is sufficient real estate, including offshore, to mount all the wind harvesting assets. The wind generators have a maximum lifetime of 25 years so they all need replacing after 25 years. Based on modelling done in Australia using current pricing and wind variability, the wholesale cost for electricity from this source of generation would be around $200/MWh. The current cost for gas in the USA is $3.26/MBTU. The wholesale price ratio is 18 times more for the wind derived energy.

I am 100% confident that wind derived electricity will not replace gas for heating in New York State in 21 years. Even a massive program to replace gas heaters with reverse cycle air-conditioners as well as massive improvements in building insulation will not be achieved in 21 years. Just reversing the rising trend in gas usage will be a serious challenge.

Agree completely. Also note that air source heat pumps aka reverse cycle air conditioners have the nasty little issue that when it is really cold and you really want heat they don’t work. They will take away my gas fired furnace only by force.

Based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, one can conclude that the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. The AGW conjecture depends upon the existence of a radiant greenhouse effect caused by trace gases with LWIR absorption bands. Such a radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed in a real greenhouse, in the Earth’s atmosphere or anywhere else in the solar system for that matter. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction so hence the AGW conjecture is science fiction as well. New York’s efforts to reduce CO2 emissions will have no effect on global climate.

For those that still believe in a radiant greenhouse effect, the primary greenhouse gas is H2O and not CO2. Even if the entire World eliminates all CO2 emissions from the use of fossil fuels, the effort would have no appreciable effect on the Earth’s radiant greenhouse effect and hence no real effect on the Earth’s climate.

The potential for wind and solar power is not enough to meet the current needs of New York State without the state severely reducing their population. The State’s best bet to reduce CO2 emissions would to invest in nuclear power plants.

Cuomo can’t let California be the US CC leader. The gauntlet has been thrown. If you think it’s expensive now living in New York or California just wait. No problem though….. by the time they discover the hole they’ve put their states in the virtue signaling governors can always blame their predecessor’s, predecessor. I also suspect renewable energy companies that have promised to make this all happen will be long gone by then so they’ll be first on the blame list. When they do figure out nuclear is their only savior they’ll be too far into their wind and solar scheme to back out and they’ll be out of money to pay for it considering if they could get approval. Even if they figure it out the time to completion for that many nuclear plants will take them to the end of the century.

Please stop thinking of this totally uneconomical NY renewable scheme as only damaging to NY. How long will Wall Street remain the financial capital of the world after the 2nd blackout in a short period of time? Do you want China to capture this prize? We’ve already given them our manufacturing base isn’t that enough? NY voters need to wake up.

Even if the wind blew all day and the sun shined all day, the amount of materials required to build this fantasy scenario, presently don’t exist. Not now, certainly not by 2040 when all these green scams are vying for the same rare materials. The amount of energy required to mine the materials, produce what is needed and ship to where it is needed for any of these green schemes is astronomical. And cannot be met without the use of fossil fuels. This, along with AOC’s Green Deal, are just pipe dreams of epic proportions.

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