Per espn http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8076348/report-percy-harvin-requests-trade-minnesota-vikings, Percy Harvin wants a trade. How much interest do you think we show and what price would you be willing to give up for the trade. I think it would probably take at least a second and a third which I dont see us doing but Its worth the debate with our current WR situation.

Miamifinz

06-20-2012, 09:33 AM

I'd give up a mid round pick for him if our young wideouts don't get better as camp goes on. We need an explosive guy like him.

MRojas4

06-20-2012, 09:38 AM

Percy and Bess running two man slots would be monster. But his migrane and concussion issues bother me.

Don't see us trading for a guy that runs the risk of missing half the season every year.

Clipse

06-20-2012, 09:38 AM

I'd give up a 3rd easily. Anything more and I'd have to pass I think. And I think the Vikings might want more. Some team will probably give it to them.

datruth55

06-20-2012, 09:43 AM

Terrible route runner and why is he upset? Is it money? Is he mad he's not the focus of the offense? I think I would pass on trading for disgruntled WRs after Brandon Marshall...a change in scenery only lasts so long before they're unhappy again.

Njphinsfan

06-20-2012, 09:45 AM

I would give up a 3rd round pick for him (don't we still have the extra from the Marshall trade?), but I don't think that would be enough. Not sure we would even be able to pay him so I don't see how it would be possible. His injuries and migranes scare me, but he would definitely upgrade our current WR position. If Ochocinco is for real and doing as well as they say and we add a guy like Harvin, we may not have that #1 but we would have a good group of WRs to run the WCO. I still have faith that Naanee can help us. Ochocinco, Hartline, Harvin, Bess and Naanee would not be so bad. If Gates and one or 2 of our rookies come through, we could have a decent battle at the WR position.

CANDolphan

06-20-2012, 09:46 AM

Terrible route runner? He's by no means a technician but he doesn't cut them short nor does he go Cowboy on his routes and abandon options for the sake of coverage. He's a threat in the purest football sense. He's got terrific hands, fantastic YAC, and he's a pure homerun threat.

Miami won't cough up what is necessary. Percy isn't a true #1, he's more of an amazing #2 who can create infinite matchup problems thanks to his ability as a running back.

NJPhins - I would upgrade "not bad" to "pretty damn talented" if you have Chad Johnson back to even 2010 levels. Harvin won't take over a game by himself (with any regularity I mean, I remember his 3 touchdown 200+ yard game towards the end of last season) but with Hartline, Chad Johnson, and Bess? That's an absolute ton of weapons who just get OPEN, all 3 thanks to simply quick cuts and first burst

betadog

06-20-2012, 09:50 AM

I wouldn't even give a third. Late round maybe. The guy has never stayed on the field for an entire season and constantly gets migraines. I like the fact that the fins are trying to build the offense through the draft. I didn't think too much of the Ocho signing, but whatever he may be able to stretch the field a bit. Either way Harvin is explosive, but I doubt he'll be anything more than an injury concern...

Nublar7

06-20-2012, 09:58 AM

Harvin is going to want a new contract with the team he gets traded to, plus the Vikings are probably going to ask for a 1st or 2nd round pick. Can't see Ireland going this route.

Tunaphish429

06-20-2012, 10:06 AM

Could see the Browns come a knocking..They wanted that kid from Baylor but he was gone in the first round...Childress is also the O coordinator there as well...has some history..But I would give up a 3rd and 5th for him for I was the Browns.

Dsteve

06-20-2012, 10:13 AM

how awesome would it be if they get more for him than we did for marshall?

BAMAPHIN 22

06-20-2012, 10:14 AM

Harvin would radically change our offense for the better imo. His ability to RAC is tremendous. It would be a risk with his history of injuries and his nagging migrane situation.... With that being said... Percy Harvin would be a nice addition to the Dolphins offense.

COphinphan89

06-20-2012, 10:15 AM

I'm trying to put my homer biases aside here, but I would love to have the guy here. His migraines are a problem, but they might be enough to drag down the Vikes asking price. He is everything we wanted Clyde Gates to be. With a WR group as weak as ours, why not?

yardlaw

06-20-2012, 10:32 AM

Would be a huge upgrade and instant home run threat for us, but I just don't see the Vikes giving into his demands.

MRojas4

06-20-2012, 10:41 AM

Hm... wont be surprised if the Pats trade for Percy with Welker on the franchise tag.

phins9

06-20-2012, 10:44 AM

No, he's always hurt

datruth55

06-20-2012, 10:50 AM

Terrible route runner? He's by no means a technician but he doesn't cut them short nor does he go Cowboy on his routes and abandon options for the sake of coverage. He's a threat in the purest football sense. He's got terrific hands, fantastic YAC, and he's a pure homerun threat.

Miami won't cough up what is necessary. Percy isn't a true #1, he's more of an amazing #2 who can create infinite matchup problems thanks to his ability as a running back.

NJPhins - I would upgrade "not bad" to "pretty damn talented" if you have Chad Johnson back to even 2010 levels. Harvin won't take over a game by himself (with any regularity I mean, I remember his 3 touchdown 200+ yard game towards the end of last season) but with Hartline, Chad Johnson, and Bess? That's an absolute ton of weapons who just get OPEN, all 3 thanks to simply quick cuts and first burst
Being a threat and being a good route runner are two very different things. Most of the time they just have him run short routes and find soft spots in zone coverage and he just sits there until the QB finds him. Once he has the ball in his hands he's a threat to score. But if he can't burn a CB purely on his speed he can't get open. He's never been known as a good route runner and against decent CBs he struggles a lot to get separation. There have been many games where he does nothing as a receiver. The Vikings do a lot to create ways to get him the ball, reverses, lining him up as a running back, run him out of the backfield in the flat (where his speed is a huge mismatch against linebackers), return game but as a boundary WR he's not very good. I know some of you guys just pull up stats and think a guy must be good but that's not always the case.

ckparrothead

06-20-2012, 10:58 AM

Percy Harvin was a major 'whisper campaign' guy coming out of college. Everyone knew a guy who knew a guy who had some major dirt on Percy Harvin. It was similar to Ryan Mallett although I think there was more confirmable evidence. The big difference was that where Mallett's coaches and people surrounding Arkansas went to bat HARD for him both publicly and privately...I remember the Florida coaches and people around that program refusing to even go to bat for Percy publicly, let alone privately. I remember public statements about Percy Harvin living in Percy Harvin-land, having major problems, etc. No coincidence that fast forward a few years, he's had major character issues in Minnesota, including a concerted effort to try and get his Head Coach fired, including assault with a deadly weapon (throwing a weight slab at a guy's head qualifies), and his time there seems to be ending with a surprise trade request. No coincidence at all. Essentially everything that was whispered about Percy Harvin coming out of college has been realized in the pros in full. He's easily the headache that people feared coming out of college.

And people want to trade for this guy? No way. N-O. No.

Trading for Harvin would be a de facto admission that trading Brandon Marshall away for two 3rd round picks was an IDIOTIC MOVE. Harvin is a BIGGER headache than Marshall, figuratively and literally, and not nearly as talented.

Hm... wont be surprised if the Pats trade for Percy with Welker on the franchise tag.

Don't bet on it. Urban Meyer was one of the people that refused to go to bat for Percy publicly, and lord only knows what he's told Belichick privately.

hooshoops

06-20-2012, 10:59 AM

i like harvin but he's a niche player...like truth says he doesn't run crisp routes and the guys got migraines and reasons he misses practice and games out the nose...i wonder what they want for him...can probably get a 2nd rounder i'd imagine even with the baggage

insomnia411

06-20-2012, 11:01 AM

He's not a complete receiver or a great route runner by any means, but the dude is a playmaker and he would help us a lot by stretching the field, getting YAC etc. Because of his flaws and his migraine issues, I probably wouldn't give up too much for him, but we do have two thirds this year, I'd probably give up our two thirds for Percy.... If we could finagle a deal for a 3rd and a 4th that'd be splediferous.

ckparrothead

06-20-2012, 11:03 AM

I wouldn't give up a 7th for him. I don't want him on my team, period. Bad influence. Way worse than Marshall.

hooshoops

06-20-2012, 11:03 AM

he's definitely a playmaker...explosive as heck with the ball in his hands...tough hard nosed when he does actually play...can disappear also though

i bet someone parts with a 2nd rounder envisioning a certain roll with him...

insomnia411

06-20-2012, 11:06 AM

I wouldn't give up a 7th for him. I don't want him on my team, period. Bad influence. Way worse than Marshall.

Not saying I don't trust you but what you've been saying about Harvin is surprising. I don't remember hearing anything about him being THAT bad of a headache or a team cancer. I knew that he could be a diva but I didn't know that he tried to get his coach fired or that he caused any major team distractions.

CANDolphan

06-20-2012, 11:10 AM

Being a threat and being a good route runner are two very different things. Most of the time they just have him run short routes and find soft spots in zone coverage and he just sits there until the QB finds him. Once he has the ball in his hands he's a threat to score. But if he can't burn a CB purely on his speed he can't get open. He's never been known as a good route runner and against decent CBs he struggles a lot to get separation. There have been many games where he does nothing as a receiver. The Vikings do a lot to create ways to get him the ball, reverses, lining him up as a running back, run him out of the backfield in the flat (where his speed is a huge mismatch against linebackers), return game but as a boundary WR he's not very good. I know some of you guys just pull up stats and think a guy must be good but that's not always the case.

Thank you for trying to lump me into someone who just checks his stats and think the guy must be good. It's always nice to have a debate where someone immediately brushes you off like that. Makes me want to take you seriously :rolleyes: It's like you flat out ignored what I said and then strawman'd me with things I never really said, and repeating a couple of things I DID say!

Anyways as I previously stated, he is by no means a TERRIBLE route runner. That's what you said, isn't it? A TERRIBLE route runner? I said he's by no means a technician. You're moving the goal posts to fit your argument which is a pretty dishonest way to handle a discussion. I didn't say "Percy Harvin has 900 yards and 6 TDs how are you going to say he's a poor route runner!?"... I gave actual analysis of what he does. He doesn't abandon his routes (hence the "Go Cowboy" mantra) nor does he really cut them off (the worst of offenses, IMO, just look at Bernard Berrian and how many QBs he gets in trouble by doing that). You're correct, he's not crisp in anything he does, and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired, but as stated, he's simply a play maker.

Miami doesn't make a move for him, no way no how. They don't want to give up the picks, and his concerns on the field (migraines) are too much to deal with.

rent this space

06-20-2012, 11:14 AM

how awesome would it be if they get more for him than we did for marshall?
I would pay more for Harvin- I'll take migraines over personality disorders any day

CANDolphan

06-20-2012, 11:17 AM

I find it funny that you brought up the Ryan Mallet scenario, considering all the flags dropped your golden boy to the 3rd, while Percy managed to somehow stick in the 1st round and live up to the billing. He has issues off the field, for sure, but his time at Florida was very inductive to a team player. I'm lucky to have several connections to Percy Harvin and those who played with him, and I remember the main concern out of high school. Percy was a "me" player. He'd do whatever he wanted and he would demand his catches as a wide receiver. I even was able to speak to his high school coach in Norfolk Virginia at a lecture at TCC, which is across the street from Percy's high school.

He's not a golden boy but wanting Ryan Mallet on your team with the same breath as berating Percy Harvin as a bad teammate strikes me as... hypocritical. (I say this with the utmost respect CK, I absolutely love your write ups and blogs.)

But that's a de-rail from the thread so I'll leave it at that. This is all moot, as Miami won't make the trade. Period. This trade has the makings of a team that has... "Madden" like tendencies... like the New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, New England Patriots... teams that make crazy moves with a degree of regularity.

datruth55

06-20-2012, 11:28 AM

Thank you for trying to lump me into someone who just checks his stats and think the guy must be good. It's always nice to have a debate where someone immediately brushes you off like that. Makes me want to take you seriously :rolleyes: It's like you flat out ignored what I said and then strawman'd me with things I never really said, and repeating a couple of things I DID say!

Anyways as I previously stated, he is by no means a TERRIBLE route runner. That's what you said, isn't it? A TERRIBLE route runner? I said he's by no means a technician. You're moving the goal posts to fit your argument which is a pretty dishonest way to handle a discussion. I didn't say "Percy Harvin has 900 yards and 6 TDs how are you going to say he's a poor route runner!?"... I gave actual analysis of what he does. He doesn't abandon his routes (hence the "Go Cowboy" mantra) nor does he really cut them off (the worst of offenses, IMO, just look at Bernard Berrian and how many QBs he gets in trouble by doing that). You're correct, he's not crisp in anything he does, and his footwork leaves a lot to be desired, but as stated, he's simply a play maker.

Miami doesn't make a move for him, no way no how. They don't want to give up the picks, and his concerns on the field (migraines) are too much to deal with.
I made a general statement about people looking at stats and thinking that a guy is good. If it was directed at you I would have said "you probably looked at his stats and thought he was good"...not what I said.

As far as his route running, it is terrible and that's what I said. Someone with his speed that can't gain separation doesn't run good routes. Like I said, he has a knack for finding soft spots in zones and sitting in them until the QB finds him. Against man coverage he gets shutdown. I'll never forget Brett Favre explaining to the OC in his last season, on the sidelines during a game, how Harvin was trying to juke a guy by shaking his head and didn't run a good route. It was comical.

hooshoops

06-20-2012, 11:31 AM

yeah harvins got all the tools to create consistent separation...the route running is a problem...he's got great hips and cod quick acceleration and soft hands...

PhinsPhan11

06-20-2012, 11:31 AM

I'd go with nothing higher than a 3rd round pick. His concussion and injuries still concern me.

datruth55

06-20-2012, 11:33 AM

yeah harvins got all the tools to create consistent separation...the route running is a problem...he's got great hips and cod quick acceleration and soft hands...
He's got ridiculous short area quickness too. He's not like Ginn who needed 15 yards to get up to speed.

hooshoops

06-20-2012, 11:39 AM

He's got ridiculous short area quickness too. He's not like Ginn who needed 15 yards to get up to speed.

yep

Fins1971

06-20-2012, 12:08 PM

He has 2 years left of his original contract. He only has 2.5M remaining on original contract totaling 15M. Vikings have all the leverage. He isn't going anywhere and he cerainly isn't going to sit out for 2 years holding out. Nothing to see here. move along.....

Fin_Frenzy_84

06-20-2012, 12:17 PM

We can get it done for a third.

Fins1971

06-20-2012, 12:22 PM

We can get it done for a third.

I don't think so. Why would they trade the 22nd overall pick in 2009 for 3rd rounder when they have him gauranteed for 2 more years at a low price.

If they did give into his demands they would want comparable compensation since he comes on the cheap.

SCLSU Mud Dogs

06-20-2012, 12:57 PM

Harvin is going to want a new contract with the team he gets traded to, plus the Vikings are probably going to ask for a 1st or 2nd round pick. Can't see Ireland going this route.

They can ask whatever they want, but I don't think they will get that.

If we give up a 3rd I wouldn't be mad. I think he would be a great fit for this offense.

Dolfan3773

06-20-2012, 01:03 PM

One day after expressing frustration over several unspecified issues with the Vikings, Harvin has requested a trade, sources confirmed to ESPN.com's John Clayton. Harvin's demand had been earlier reported by The Associated Press.

I'd give up a 3rd easily. Anything more and I'd have to pass I think. And I think the Vikings might want more. Some team will probably give it to them.
I agree. His migraines are a serious issue. He simply can't be counted on week in and week out. When he's on the field, he's a damn good player. Unfortunately, he spends way too much time off of it. A third is reasonable for the time he's on.

tcdrover

06-20-2012, 01:31 PM

I would not sign him because of the migraine issue.

What was the incident with him & Farve?

I don't remember right now. Didn't he somehow throw Brett under the bus when they were both there?

taylormvp99

06-20-2012, 01:50 PM

I wouldn't even give a third. Late round maybe. The guy has never stayed on the field for an entire season and constantly gets migraines. I like the fact that the fins are trying to build the offense through the draft. I didn't think too much of the Ocho signing, but whatever he may be able to stretch the field a bit. Either way Harvin is explosive, but I doubt he'll be anything more than an injury concern...
Oh there's more than 16 games per season? Cause that's what he played last year.

The guy has missed 3 games in 3 years...

j-off-her-doll

06-20-2012, 02:03 PM

With his issues, I'd be extremely hesitant to give up anything more than a 4th. But I'd be very happy to get him for that price.

SuperMarksBros.

06-20-2012, 02:15 PM

I would not sign him because of the migraine issue.

What was the incident with him & Farve?

I don't remember right now. Didn't he somehow throw Brett under the bus when they were both there?
If so, Favre probably deserved it. He's thrown enough guys under the bus in his career.

Funky Fin

06-21-2012, 09:29 AM

No thanks. Last thing we need on this team is another over-hyped first round mediocre Gator.

tylerdolphin

06-21-2012, 12:52 PM

Percy Harvin was a major 'whisper campaign' guy coming out of college. Everyone knew a guy who knew a guy who had some major dirt on Percy Harvin. It was similar to Ryan Mallett although I think there was more confirmable evidence. The big difference was that where Mallett's coaches and people surrounding Arkansas went to bat HARD for him both publicly and privately...I remember the Florida coaches and people around that program refusing to even go to bat for Percy publicly, let alone privately. I remember public statements about Percy Harvin living in Percy Harvin-land, having major problems, etc. No coincidence that fast forward a few years, he's had major character issues in Minnesota, including a concerted effort to try and get his Head Coach fired, including assault with a deadly weapon (throwing a weight slab at a guy's head qualifies), and his time there seems to be ending with a surprise trade request. No coincidence at all. Essentially everything that was whispered about Percy Harvin coming out of college has been realized in the pros in full. He's easily the headache that people feared coming out of college.

And people want to trade for this guy? No way. N-O. No.

Trading for Harvin would be a de facto admission that trading Brandon Marshall away for two 3rd round picks was an IDIOTIC MOVE. Harvin is a BIGGER headache than Marshall, figuratively and literally, and not nearly as talented.

At another board I post at, there was a thread where people posted things they personally knew about athletes that were not common knowledge. Some of the Percy Harvin stories were just ridiculous. I recall one in particular where Percy was at a party and a gun was drawn and pointed at him and Percy basically told the guy he didnt have the balls to pull the trigger. Obviously its the internet and anyone can post anything, but there were enough Percy stories in that thread to let me know that he is a ticking time bomb.