It is not possible to give forgiveness when remorse and repentance is not offered. Forgiveness is a response to remorse - it is mine to offer only
when offered remorse by the offender...this was indisputable in the early Church - the notion of forgiveness without contrition did not appear until
Luther.

Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ghandi was right - Christians are not like Christ, although we are supposed to try to be like him every day - in our thoughts, in our words, in our
deeds, and in our worship.

The more Christians behave like Jesus, the better the world will be.

The more islamists behave like muhummad, the more the world will dissolve into darkness and death and misery.

Isn't Jesus God, and God Jesus??

If so wouldn't it be jesus who preached and commited all the atrocities of the Old Testament?? Genocide on the philistines, tho shalt not suffer a
witch to live, the flood, the list goes on and on... Unless Jesus isn't god.... Of course.

I mean none of it makes any real sense, but I just bet you consider Jesus and god one person. While giving him a pass on all the Old Testament
horrors god commited.

i posted this in the other fox threads already, it should go here too. these and with the first post i made on page 8 should show that these areas
were called no go zones or lawless areas before the fox report.

well i was going to post this on the other fox thread.this along with my first post on page 2 where the last president of france and a former french
intelligence officer called them that, (well it doesn't say the excat words no go zones in that article, but it does infer that), should show that
they were and are still seen that way by some in france.

here are some article that go back to before this year. some either say no go zone or places where the police are attacked,and or refer to ethnic, or
muslims. also you will notice that some are real careful not to mention race, nationally of origin or religion, but it you look them up you find that
it is a muslim dominated area, or a high number of muslims.

first ones come from france and are translated. be sure to look at the dates they were published.

The priority areas are: the Seine-Saint-Denis (Saint-Denis, Saint-Ouen), Paris (Paris XVIII) Yvelines (Mantes-la-Jolie,
Mantes-la-Ville), Essonne (Corbeil -Essonne) Somme (Amiens), the North (Lille), Oise (Meru and Chambly), Mosel (Fameck and Uckange), Bas-Rhin
(Strasbourg), the Rhone (Lyon ninth) Bouches -of-Rhône (Gardanne and Bouc-Bel-aire), Marseille (Marseille III, XIII, XIV, XV and XVI), Gard (Vauvert
and Saint-Gilles), Herault (Lunel and Mauguio) and Guyana ( Cayenne, Matoury Remire-Montjoly). After this first wave, forty to fifty other ZSP should
be defined in the future. With these areas, one of Hollande's campaign promises, is "to establish enhanced security action on targeted areas,
characterized by entrenched crime and high expectations of the population," stated the Interior Minister, Manuel Valls, in the month of June. Security: these cities called "priority"

And on the side of law enforcement, this voltage is sustained. "Working in the northern district of Amiens has become very
complicated. The police are not welcome in this neighborhood. And for police officers, in addition to being difficult, it has become dangerous," says
Michael on Europe 1 Vandevelde, deputy secretary general of SNOP-SCSI police
union.Amiens-Nord, a "no-go zone"?

QUESTION OF THE DAY - The Marseille is the theater of cascading settling of accounts. QUESTION OF THE DAY - After yet another
settlement accounts in Marseille, on drug trafficking bottom and serious employment problems, the government has decided to react and know. Down in
Marseille with no less than five ministers , Jean-Marc Ayrault has reaffirmed the determination of the state. But also promised reinforcements : 24
Police of the investigation and CRS company will soon be deployed in Marseille. Except that this move of the government and this reinforcing
announcement is not a first and did not fundamentally curb the spiral of violence. In your eyes, Marseille has it become a no-go area?

this next link i think they are talking
about a neighborhood in Toulouse.

Before becoming famous as the neighborhood grew Mohamed Merah , the Izards, city of Toulouse ranked priority
Safety Zone (ZSP), was already a hub of drug trafficking in which several observers the rule of law gives way gradually to grip of thugs.
The Izards "area of ??lawlessness" (Cohen)

Sarkozy, a blunt speaking, energetic man, has
drawn fire even from cabinet colleagues for his threats to "Karcher-ize" the "scum" in the suburbs, referring to a well known brand of industrial
high-pressure cleaner. But he has not backed down, promising in an opinion piece published in the daily "Le Monde" this weekend that "we
will no longer tolerate 'no-go' zones where organized crime and mafia dealing
reign."Chirac vows crackdown as unrest, discontent
spreads

In 1994, in one of France's first encounters with radical Islamic terrorism, two unemployed French-born men
from La Courneuve hid their faces behind masks and shot up a hotel in the Moroccan city of Marrakesh. Two Spanish tourists were killed. During their trial in 1995, they testified that during several months of indoctrination, they watched videos of the massacre of Bosnian
Muslims and of Palestinian suffering in Israeli-occupied territory, then were sent to a military training camp in Pakistan. They were
condemned to death. President Jacques Chirac interceded with the Moroccan government to have their sentence commuted to life
imprisonment.

In 2002, in what is still a continuing investigation, the police arrested three men from La Courneuve along with others
from a nearby suburb on suspicion of plotting to attack the Russian Embassy and other targets in Paris with cyanide gas. Among the items
discovered by the police were radical Islamic literature, more than $25,000 in cash, counterfeit passports and a protective suit used in handling
toxic chemicals. One of those arrested had trained in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

continued
this is one below by a frenchman in english, google his name, and look at his wiki for credentials. seems to be pretty respected.

The public-housing projects that gradually burgeoned around most French cities in the second half of the 20th century now serve as strongholds and
training grounds for these violent gangs. After the incident on National Road 455, the stone-throwers were rolled back into the neighboring projects,
but there was no further pursuit. One police source confided to Le Monde that security forces were actually "discouraged" from making
incursions into those neighborhoods, except on rare occasions. The source went on: "It is a terrible mistake. Since we avoid going inside, where they
are, they attack us outside, where we are."
Most French suburban public housing was originally designed by talented architects, and could have developed into pleasant neighborhoods. Mass
immigration had an adverse effect on them, however, and turned them into either North African or black African ghettoes (an estimated 15 percent of
the overall French population--one quarter of the population under 20--is now non-European and non-Judeo-Christian). Ethnic criminal gangs took over,
as often happens under such circumstances: They forced the last native French or European inhabitants out, and made it increasingly
difficult for the police to enter and monitor the projects. Later, fundamentalist Islamic brotherhoods asserted themselves in the projects, or cités,
as they are called.France/ The green flag of revolt Another French Revolution? The
suburban rioters and their admirers--on the right and the left

The atmosphere was strangely festive. Behind the reinforced steel and glass of the Eurostar terminal, new arrivals from London were ushered into Paris
by soldiers with machine guns – the glittering capital of Europe now apparently a war zone. They looked on the scene with horror. But it was
exhilarating to watch kids hopping over metro barriers, smoking weed and shouting, walking wherever they wanted, disobeying every single
one of the tight rules that normally control access to the station. It was also frightening, because these kids could now hurt you whenever they
wanted. They had abolished all the rules, including the rule of law.

The rioters at the Gare du Nord or in the banlieues also often describe themselves as soldiers in a "long war' against
France and Europe. The so-called "French intifada", the guerrilla war with police at the edges and in the heart of French cities, is only the latest
and most dramatic form of engagement with the enemy. In November 2005, 18 months before the riot in the Gare du Nord, the tensions in the
banlieues had already spilled over into violence and, for one spectacular moment, threatened to bring down the French government. The catalyst was a
series of confrontations between immigrant youth and the police in the Parisian banlieue of Clichy-sous-Bois. As the fighting between police and the
banlieusards intensified, riots broke out in major cities across France. This was when the term "French intifada" was first widely used
by the media and by the rioters themselves.

these are but a few of the articles about no go zones called the ZUS and ZSP, if you search you can find more from the past, you just have to muddle
through all of the recent reports about fox first. also if you do a video search, you can find many non U.S. news reports, that actually show you
these places.

now before anyone starts calling me a islamophobe, or racist or any crap such as that. the purpose of this post, is to show that indeed in france by
french people, and reporters from other countries, did call these places No Go Zones before the fox report. just look at the dates.

originally posted by: Seamrog
You know, you're upsetting a lot of people who just want to be comfortable that Fox News is the boogeyman and islamic atrocities are not islamic.

You must be a hater.

Awesome, then Christian atrocities are Christian. Every child who's parents watched them slowly and horribly die while attempting to faith heal them
is every Christians fault as well. There are no shortage of evil acts commited in the name of Jesus as well.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
continued
this is one below by a frenchman in english, google his name, and look at his wiki for credentials. seems to be pretty respected.

The public-housing projects that gradually burgeoned around most French cities in the second half of the 20th century now serve as strongholds and
training grounds for these violent gangs. After the incident on National Road 455, the stone-throwers were rolled back into the neighboring projects,
but there was no further pursuit. One police source confided to Le Monde that security forces were actually "discouraged" from making
incursions into those neighborhoods, except on rare occasions. The source went on: "It is a terrible mistake. Since we avoid going inside, where they
are, they attack us outside, where we are."
Most French suburban public housing was originally designed by talented architects, and could have developed into pleasant neighborhoods. Mass
immigration had an adverse effect on them, however, and turned them into either North African or black African ghettoes (an estimated 15 percent of
the overall French population--one quarter of the population under 20--is now non-European and non-Judeo-Christian). Ethnic criminal gangs took over,
as often happens under such circumstances: They forced the last native French or European inhabitants out, and made it increasingly
difficult for the police to enter and monitor the projects. Later, fundamentalist Islamic brotherhoods asserted themselves in the projects, or cités,
as they are called.France/ The green flag of revolt Another French Revolution? The
suburban rioters and their admirers--on the right and the left

The atmosphere was strangely festive. Behind the reinforced steel and glass of the Eurostar terminal, new arrivals from London were ushered into Paris
by soldiers with machine guns – the glittering capital of Europe now apparently a war zone. They looked on the scene with horror. But it was
exhilarating to watch kids hopping over metro barriers, smoking weed and shouting, walking wherever they wanted, disobeying every single
one of the tight rules that normally control access to the station. It was also frightening, because these kids could now hurt you whenever they
wanted. They had abolished all the rules, including the rule of law.

The rioters at the Gare du Nord or in the banlieues also often describe themselves as soldiers in a "long war' against
France and Europe. The so-called "French intifada", the guerrilla war with police at the edges and in the heart of French cities, is only the latest
and most dramatic form of engagement with the enemy. In November 2005, 18 months before the riot in the Gare du Nord, the tensions in the
banlieues had already spilled over into violence and, for one spectacular moment, threatened to bring down the French government. The catalyst was a
series of confrontations between immigrant youth and the police in the Parisian banlieue of Clichy-sous-Bois. As the fighting between police and the
banlieusards intensified, riots broke out in major cities across France. This was when the term "French intifada" was first widely used
by the media and by the rioters themselves.

these are but a few of the articles about no go zones called the ZUS and ZSP, if you search you can find more from the past, you just have to muddle
through all of the recent reports about fox first. also if you do a video search, you can find many non U.S. news reports, that actually show you
these places.

now before anyone starts calling me a islamophobe, or racist or any crap such as that. the purpose of this post, is to show that indeed in france by
french people, and reporters from other countries, did call these places No Go Zones before the fox report. just look at the dates.

But not because they are terrorist trAining sites, because they are low income high crime areas... That would be considered the suburbs in the US lol

But not because they are terrorist trAining sites, because they are low income high crime areas... That would be considered the suburbs in the US lol

i see you didn't really pay attn to the articles. first the quote about the frenchman and then the article title you posted are not the same. in
others words you posted the wrong title to the wrong author go back and look at the quotes. the title you posted i posted " the above come from here"
underneath. the quote in your post about the frenchman is above the quote, the title is in the quote.hell it even says this one below, if you read
them didn't it seem funny to you, that the quote was no where to be seen.
here is another quote from the frenchmans article. notice the title is in the quote.

A complex relationship seems to have arisen between these two power centers. On the one hand, the fundamentalists intended to protect the
immigrant community against everything the gangs stood for: drugs, alcohol, sexual promiscuity, easy money from crime. On the other hand, they derived
benefits from the ethnic enclave status the gangs had secured. A tacit or not so tacit agreement was reached: The brotherhood would ignore,
and at times condone as "holy war," the activities of the gangs outside the neighborhood; the gangs would help the brotherhoods to
impose Islamic law on the inside.France/ The green flag of revolt Another French Revolution? The
suburban rioters and their admirers--on the right and the le

originally posted by: eisegesis
Fox News is in hot water for comments made by their terrorism "expert" Steven Emerson as of late. During a discussion, he stated that "large swaths
of European cities have been overtaken by Muslim extremists", drumming up fear across the country. Jeanine Pirro goes on to say she should have
challenged Emerson’s “serious factual error”, giving us the illusion that there is actual unscripted debate happening. Give me a break...

Fox News has stood by a number of outlandish statements, but on Saturday the network formally apologized for an “expert” who claimed last week
that large swaths of European cities have been taken over by Muslim extremists. The completely unsubstantiated assertion drew the ire of many
Europeans, including British Prime Minister David Cameron, who called Fox News terrorism expert Steven Emerson “a complete idiot.”

It gets worse. At this point it's hard think that this was just bad reporting or a slip of the tongue. On another show, "Fox and Friends", which
just sounds creepy to me, previously showed a map of all the places Muslim extremists had supposedly conquered. They also ended up issuing an apology,
saying “some of the neighborhoods were highlighted incorrectly."

What a great way to spread the fear of encroaching extremists based on lies and misinformation. Just use a heavy hand when highlighting or add more
red spots on a map that represent no real data. Fear keeps everyone from checking the facts. We put too much trust into the wrong people.

It continues...

The network built on the European “no go zones” story in a Jan. 14 report on “Muslim enclaves” in the U.S., asserting that cities like
Redhouse, VA, Commerce, GA, and Dearborn, MI are “truly no go zones” with gated terrorist training camps and armed guards.

Facts please! Oh right, there aren't any. I'm afraid to think of everybody who took that statement as the absolute truth and how they might have
been affected.

And another...

Fox News guest Neil Cavuto on Friday that European countries should be putting “razor-wire around those no go zones, you turn off the water and
then as they come out you catalog them.” He also warned that similar no go zones governed by sharia law are spreading across the U.S.

The WORST part about it is, certain politicians are running with these claims.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), a rumored 2016 presidential contender, is planning to make a speech on Monday reiterating the existence of no go
zones.

People, this is how it works. Baseless accusations by "experts" are then used to make law and alter the framework of society. Open your peepers and
take notice.

"It is startling to think that any country would allow, even unofficially, for a so called ‘no-go zone.”

Yehaaw! Let's go get us some Muslims! Bang! Bang!

If our politicians use mainstream media as a source without checking the fact out for themselves then are laws are merely based on fabricated
misinformation that is used to achieve the desired result.

If there is one thing to take a way from this, its that just because someone is called an "expert" at something doesn't mean you take them at face
value. Especially, when they are displayed on mainstream media.

What do you think? Was this a case of proper propaganda or an honest mistake? I'm inclined to think WE ARE BEING PLAYED.

Guys, Faux News lies all of the time. It is the WORST as far as mainstream media. Ask even anyone outside of the country. Trust me, it is reviled the
world over. CNN and MSNBC are quasi propaganda when it comes to foreign policy support, but not nearly the level of Faux.

But not because they are terrorist trAining sites, because they are low income high crime areas... That would be considered the suburbs in the US lol

i see you didn't really pay attn to the articles. first the quote about the frenchman and then the article title you posted are not the same. in
others words you posted the wrong title to the wrong author go back and look at the quotes. the title you posted i posted " the above come from
here" underneath. the quote in your post about the frenchman is above the quote, the title is in the quote.hell it even says this one below, if you
read them didn't it seem funny to you, that the quote was no where to be seen.
here is another quote from the frenchmans article. notice the title is in the quote.

A complex relationship seems to have arisen between these two power centers. On the one hand, the fundamentalists intended to protect the
immigrant community against everything the gangs stood for: drugs, alcohol, sexual promiscuity, easy money from crime. On the other hand, they derived
benefits from the ethnic enclave status the gangs had secured. A tacit or not so tacit agreement was reached: The brotherhood would ignore,
and at times condone as "holy war," the activities of the gangs outside the neighborhood; the gangs would help the brotherhoods to
impose Islamic law on the inside.France/ The green flag of revolt Another French Revolution? The
suburban rioters and their admirers--on the right and the le

this would be consider a terrorist cell in the U.S..

As I've said like 4 times in this thread.... There organized crime has been taken over by Muslims who enforce (on there members) a strange mix of
Islamic law and mafia code... No different from the Italian mafia. They used catholic teachings mixed with mafia codes...

These Muslims don't want to blow up a building. They want to sell that building hookers and dope... Aka not terrorist groups, they are organized
crime families.

Muslims run the full gambit of belief systems the same as Christians. They all have there own interpretation of Islam. Every single persons
different from the next....hell they don't even have an infrastructure like Christian churches. Every cleric (just means old learned man) is the pope
of his congregation. There is no Islamic council who passes down orders to all Muslims. They arnt even centralized at all.

originally posted by: eisegesis
Fox News is in hot water for comments made by their terrorism "expert" Steven Emerson as of late. During a discussion, he stated that "large swaths
of European cities have been overtaken by Muslim extremists", drumming up fear across the country. Jeanine Pirro goes on to say she should have
challenged Emerson’s “serious factual error”, giving us the illusion that there is actual unscripted debate happening. Give me a break...

Fox News has stood by a number of outlandish statements, but on Saturday the network formally apologized for an “expert” who claimed last week
that large swaths of European cities have been taken over by Muslim extremists. The completely unsubstantiated assertion drew the ire of many
Europeans, including British Prime Minister David Cameron, who called Fox News terrorism expert Steven Emerson “a complete idiot.”

It gets worse. At this point it's hard think that this was just bad reporting or a slip of the tongue. On another show, "Fox and Friends", which
just sounds creepy to me, previously showed a map of all the places Muslim extremists had supposedly conquered. They also ended up issuing an apology,
saying “some of the neighborhoods were highlighted incorrectly."

What a great way to spread the fear of encroaching extremists based on lies and misinformation. Just use a heavy hand when highlighting or add more
red spots on a map that represent no real data. Fear keeps everyone from checking the facts. We put too much trust into the wrong people.

It continues...

The network built on the European “no go zones” story in a Jan. 14 report on “Muslim enclaves” in the U.S., asserting that cities like
Redhouse, VA, Commerce, GA, and Dearborn, MI are “truly no go zones” with gated terrorist training camps and armed guards.

Facts please! Oh right, there aren't any. I'm afraid to think of everybody who took that statement as the absolute truth and how they might have
been affected.

And another...

Fox News guest Neil Cavuto on Friday that European countries should be putting “razor-wire around those no go zones, you turn off the water and
then as they come out you catalog them.” He also warned that similar no go zones governed by sharia law are spreading across the U.S.

The WORST part about it is, certain politicians are running with these claims.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), a rumored 2016 presidential contender, is planning to make a speech on Monday reiterating the existence of no go
zones.

People, this is how it works. Baseless accusations by "experts" are then used to make law and alter the framework of society. Open your peepers and
take notice.

"It is startling to think that any country would allow, even unofficially, for a so called ‘no-go zone.”

Yehaaw! Let's go get us some Muslims! Bang! Bang!

If our politicians use mainstream media as a source without checking the fact out for themselves then are laws are merely based on fabricated
misinformation that is used to achieve the desired result.

If there is one thing to take a way from this, its that just because someone is called an "expert" at something doesn't mean you take them at face
value. Especially, when they are displayed on mainstream media.

What do you think? Was this a case of proper propaganda or an honest mistake? I'm inclined to think WE ARE BEING PLAYED.

Guys, Faux News lies all of the time. It is the WORST as far as mainstream media. Ask even anyone outside of the country. Trust me, it is reviled the
world over. CNN and MSNBC are quasi propaganda when it comes to foreign policy support, but not nearly the level of Faux.

Fox knows it's listeners are all Christians with a track record of not researching information and denying science. They bet your not smart enough to
check up on them.

originally posted by: eisegesis
Fox News is in hot water for comments made by their terrorism "expert" Steven Emerson as of late. During a discussion, he stated that "large swaths
of European cities have been overtaken by Muslim extremists", drumming up fear across the country. Jeanine Pirro goes on to say she should have
challenged Emerson’s “serious factual error”, giving us the illusion that there is actual unscripted debate happening. Give me a break...

Fox News has stood by a number of outlandish statements, but on Saturday the network formally apologized for an “expert” who claimed last week
that large swaths of European cities have been taken over by Muslim extremists. The completely unsubstantiated assertion drew the ire of many
Europeans, including British Prime Minister David Cameron, who called Fox News terrorism expert Steven Emerson “a complete idiot.”

It gets worse. At this point it's hard think that this was just bad reporting or a slip of the tongue. On another show, "Fox and Friends", which
just sounds creepy to me, previously showed a map of all the places Muslim extremists had supposedly conquered. They also ended up issuing an apology,
saying “some of the neighborhoods were highlighted incorrectly."

What a great way to spread the fear of encroaching extremists based on lies and misinformation. Just use a heavy hand when highlighting or add more
red spots on a map that represent no real data. Fear keeps everyone from checking the facts. We put too much trust into the wrong people.

It continues...

The network built on the European “no go zones” story in a Jan. 14 report on “Muslim enclaves” in the U.S., asserting that cities like
Redhouse, VA, Commerce, GA, and Dearborn, MI are “truly no go zones” with gated terrorist training camps and armed guards.

Facts please! Oh right, there aren't any. I'm afraid to think of everybody who took that statement as the absolute truth and how they might have
been affected.

And another...

Fox News guest Neil Cavuto on Friday that European countries should be putting “razor-wire around those no go zones, you turn off the water and
then as they come out you catalog them.” He also warned that similar no go zones governed by sharia law are spreading across the U.S.

The WORST part about it is, certain politicians are running with these claims.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), a rumored 2016 presidential contender, is planning to make a speech on Monday reiterating the existence of no go
zones.

People, this is how it works. Baseless accusations by "experts" are then used to make law and alter the framework of society. Open your peepers and
take notice.

"It is startling to think that any country would allow, even unofficially, for a so called ‘no-go zone.”

Yehaaw! Let's go get us some Muslims! Bang! Bang!

If our politicians use mainstream media as a source without checking the fact out for themselves then are laws are merely based on fabricated
misinformation that is used to achieve the desired result.

If there is one thing to take a way from this, its that just because someone is called an "expert" at something doesn't mean you take them at face
value. Especially, when they are displayed on mainstream media.

What do you think? Was this a case of proper propaganda or an honest mistake? I'm inclined to think WE ARE BEING PLAYED.

Guys, Faux News lies all of the time. It is the WORST as far as mainstream media. Ask even anyone outside of the country. Trust me, it is reviled the
world over. CNN and MSNBC are quasi propaganda when it comes to foreign policy support, but not nearly the level of Faux.

Fox knows it's listeners are all Christians with a track record of not researching information and denying science. They bet your not smart enough to
check up on them.

Well, you mean the Religious Right. And, not just Religious Right, but also low information, low educated voters. Or those who may be somewhat
educated on let's say engineering or finance but have little conception of global affairs, objective history, racism, etc.

Fox News history of 'Merica and the world is like reading a hyper-patriotic 6th grade social studies book: ""Merica is the most free natiun ever.
There ain't no racism and everybody done be free. All you gots to do is work real hard and ain't nobudy stopping you from being successful. If you
ain't you on drugs or lazy. Why, capitalism was given by Jeebus himself, and when is the government gonna stop oppressing those poor rich people with
taxes and corporations with regulations. Why, we'd solve everything and be in paradise without dem regulations. We don't need no socialist
investments like "eduction" and "health care." Why we all know charity will solve it, religious charity that is. And, we hate big gubernment
EXCEPT 800 military bases all over world and the biggest military budget in the world. God bless our troops! You cut the military you be
anti-'Merican!"

People's fangs are wet with anticipation. Many want a Muslim holocaust to happen. The extremists want to suffocate the moderates...even in the west.
It's important to call out the bs and also to curb the rise of far right wing parties whose platforms are based on xenophobia. Go to Greece and see
now they spit (literally spit) on homeless economic Indian migrants.

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