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Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

There's that nasty superiority thing working against you again.

Funny, I was under the impression that the issue of the OP was a poll that showed that only 20% of the American public believed the debate on the validity of man-made global warming was over. Perhaps you were confused into thinking the OP was a direct challenge to the science or - pseudo science or perhaps I'm confused because I thought the OP was a direct challenge to the claims that the debate is over. There is a subtle difference.

Reading is key to any successful understanding of the other persons position. Not practiced here much, but we do have our spurts.

Tim-

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Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

There's that nasty superiority thing working against you again.

Funny, I was under the impression that the issue of the OP was a poll that showed that only 20% of the American public believed the debate on the validity of man-made global warming was over. Perhaps you were confused into thinking the OP was a direct challenge to the science or - pseudo science or perhaps I'm confused because I thought the OP was a direct challenge to the claims that the debate is over. There is a subtle difference.

I suppose if you ignored his actual words, you might think that...

We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham
I’ve always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals. - Lindsey Graham

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

This is the result of ignorance. People who don't understand science but think they do. I will never understand why people think that an idea they had while looking out the window is just as valid as a scientist... A professional, a person who went to college and got a degree, who spent many years studying after college and while working in the field many years as a career.

I've said this many times in the environmental forum and I will say it again here. Almost all of the questions about global warming can be answered simply by reading an introductory science textbook. The remaining questions can be answered by studying climate science and reading the IPCC's reports.

If you don't know anything about these things, you should not have an opinion that you think AGW is X(anything), because you have no idea. If you are going to have an opinion at least do a bare minimum of research and learn basic science first, it is not that hard at all. If you don't do this, you are at the mercy of whatever nonsense is spewed from television, radio, the internet. It is laughably stupid and you will immediately spot it once you learn a few basic things.

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by Redress

I suppose if you ignored his actual words, you might think that...

His words are simply but his opinion, not the content of the argument, which is the poll. Which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy of you fixating on and attacking his opinion - i.e. the poster - rather than the argument, that the man-made global warming advocates hadn't made their case, as evidenced by the poll.

It's really no big deal - I just pointed it out because your first thrust into the discussion was to attack the poster, the very thing you identified as weak.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by Verax

This is the result of ignorance. People who don't understand science but think they do. I will never understand why people think that an idea they had while looking out the window is just as valid as a scientist... A professional, a person who went to college and got a degree, who spent many years studying after college and while working in the field many years as a career.

I've said this many times in the environmental forum and I will say it again here. Almost all of the questions about global warming can be answered simply by reading an introductory science textbook. The remaining questions can be answered by studying climate science and reading the IPCC's reports.

If you don't know anything about these things, you should not have an opinion that you think AGW is X(anything), because you have no idea. If you are going to have an opinion at least do a bare minimum of research and learn basic science first, it is not that hard at all. If you don't do this, you are at the mercy of whatever nonsense is spewed from television, radio, the internet. It is laughably stupid and you will immediately spot it once you learn a few basic things.

There are charlatans everywhere, my friend, and throughout the history of man's time on earth. It is the wise man who takes very little on faith simply because another man claims to be able to look into the future.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

There are charlatans everywhere, my friend, and throughout the history of man's time on earth. It is the wise man who takes very little on faith simply because another man claims to be able to look into the future.

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by Verax

So take a look for yourself.

Perhaps you could point out any fraudulent claim I've made as it relates to man-made global warming.

And just to note, Redress already pointed out that it is a trait of those who can't counter an argument to attack the other person. You're proving his point, even if his point wasn't well founded when made.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

There are better reasons to use green technologies other then just climate change... people today live today with technology and advancements that make life better, why would we want to stop progress and advancement?

Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

Perhaps you could point out any fraudulent claim I've made as it relates to man-made global warming.

And just to note, Redress already pointed out that it is a trait of those who can't counter an argument to attack the other person. You're proving his point, even if his point wasn't well founded when made.

What the hell are you talking about? I suggested people educate themselves and you made a veiled reference to AGW predictions as being a trick so I suggested you look at the evidence yourself.