When I compare that with my data from last year, well before the arty rework:

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0 SPGs: 141 (22%)

1 SPG: 203 (32%)

2 SPGS: 162 (25%)

3 SPGs: 126 (20%)

4+ SPGs: 3 (less than 0,5%)

Then it seems that there might have been a significant drop in triple arty matches (from 20% to 12%, that's nearly a cut in half) and a slight shrinking of arty free matches (about a quarter less than previously) but with such a dramatic reduction of the triple matches a loss of completely arty free matches was to be expected.

As for my own arty matches, I'll soon have enough collected to post their results as well.

So by now I have a decent enough amount of games in which I played artillery myself so I guess I can start reporting on them as well:

One arty: 26 matches

Double arty: 29 matches

Triple arty: 14 matches

Well, so far it doesn't quite mirror Darth's results, as I currently have about as much One arty matches as I have Double matches (though the Double arty matches do seem to lead)

Currently I ponder if that's due to different sample size or might Darth's LeFHy have something to do with it? After all, if a LeFHy gets into a single arty match it will either be mirrored with another LeFHy (mirrormatch, yay...) or with some other SPG that got the full brunt of two arty nerfs reworks (which might some people might regard as unfair) so I wonder If a LeFHy gets into less single arty matches than other SPGs do...

But we shall see where the battle count will go to.

(and of course, I will also keep up with the other statistic, but right now I find this one more intriguing)

Here are my updated results. The battles added in this update were primarily Tier IV (Hummel and Amx 13 F3 AM) 36 battles. There were no battles played in the LeFHy. Tiers 7-10 had basically equal battle counts and I had 6 tier 5 battles in the Grille. None of the Grille battles were 1 SPG battles. 3 were 2 SPGs and 3 were 6 SPGs. Maybe there are more SPG players at Tier 5 which would not be surprising to me.

You need to pull real data for at least 1000 players for 1000 of their games in each tier to get accurate results.

An educated guess would be something like an average of 1.8 artilleries per game in T10 though

come on man, where in this thread have you seen any statements that this is a scientific study? As you have correctly stated, you also have confirmation bias. Besides, who knows, maybe one day we will have 1000 participants which have given their data from 1000 battles.

So...you are completely wrong, this thread does mean something to those of us that are participating constructively. It actually meant something to you because you felt it worthy of your time to comment.

Why don't you help us out by providing the data from your battles instead of trying to be a party pooper?

You need to pull real data for at least 1000 players for 1000 of their games in each tier to get accurate results.

An educated guess would be something like an average of 1.8 artilleries per game in T10 though

Those has no confirmation bias. Confirmation bias would come if numbers would be pulled with feeling, but when you count number of arties in every battle and count it down then there is no confirmation bias.

There how ever is problem of sample size. For low number of battles randomness would be high. After few hundred battles (Orkbert and Darth_Clicker are getting there) numbers should give general idea of distribution but could still be off by several points.

Still those numbers are not representative for all because Orkberts and Dart_Clickers battles may differ on tiers, time of day or day of week to some other player. Yet they do give us some indication of what to expect. If someone is getting highly differing results, like "There's 3 arty every battle" it is most likely wrong unless they can provide data to prove it.

WoT-News gives arty share for a week as 8.1%.That would mean 1.2 arty per side per battle on average. If arty was much, and I mean really much, more popular on T10 than on lower tiers then 1.8 could be possible. As long as there is no indication on how artiy numbers change between tiers we can hardly know.

come on man, where in this thread have you seen any statements that this is a scientific study? As you have correctly stated, you also have confirmation bias. Besides, who knows, maybe one day we will have 1000 participants which have given their data from 1000 battles.

So...you are completely wrong, this thread does mean something to those of us that are participating constructively. It actually meant something to you because you felt it worthy of your time to comment.

Why don't you help us out by providing the data from your battles instead of trying to be a party pooper?

I'm not saying it needs to be a proper study, but why collect anything if it's unuseable for analysis? And just arty numbers without amount of games makes it much less useful. I'm just saying that there's a far better way to do this through the API or through the vBAddict dossier that can collect data the data for you automatically, and it would allow more people to partake in it to get actual numbers that matter. Why collect the information if you can't make anything out of it? As far as I've seen you're just counting arties and not the amount of games or tiers when you could collect everything from those to pretty much everything arty related with enough people partaking

I'm not saying it needs to be a proper study, but why collect anything if it's unuseable for analysis? And just arty numbers without amount of games makes it much less useful. I'm just saying that there's a far better way to do this through the API or through the vBAddict dossier that can collect data the data for you automatically, and it would allow more people to partake in it to get actual numbers that matter. Why collect the information if you can't make anything out of it? As far as I've seen you're just counting arties and not the amount of games or tiers when you could collect everything from those to pretty much everything arty related with enough people partaking

I am actually counting separately for each tier from 5-10. I don't own any spgs below tier 5. I haven't included the numbers separated by tier because the original post didn't ask for such specifics. It only asked for an overall percentage. This is all for fun. Besides, it is very surprising that a tank player would be in the Arty forum talking about collecting data through the API or the vBaddict dossier and expecting a bunch of clickers to understand what you are talking about much less how to do it.

I'm not saying it needs to be a proper study, but why collect anything if it's unuseable for analysis? And just arty numbers without amount of games makes it much less useful. I'm just saying that there's a far better way to do this through the API or through the vBAddict dossier that can collect data the data for you automatically, and it would allow more people to partake in it to get actual numbers that matter. Why collect the information if you can't make anything out of it? As far as I've seen you're just counting arties and not the amount of games or tiers when you could collect everything from those to pretty much everything arty related with enough people partaking

I'm a bit confused about what you mean by

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just arty numbers without amount of games

We note the amount of games right behind each corresponding arty number.

Also you suggest that we should use a more elaborate measuring/counting system, yet oddly enough:

-you do not do it yourself

-I've never seen you in a thread where an arty hater blindly rages that he always gets 3+ arty matches (or he only sees arty suiciding etc.pp.) suggesting to them that they should use API/dossier/whatever

Basically you attack those who actually start to count how many SPGs they encounter in their matches and tell us we do it wrong but keep completely silent towards the side that actually made incredibly preposterous claims without even providing any data.

Quite an increase from last time. Can't quite match that (yet) but let's have my own arty matches updated as well (the battles for which I choose a non-arty myself shall follow later)

One arty: 46 matches

Double arty: 60 matches

Triple arty: 30 matches

Color me surprised, the ratio of single, double and triple battles is similar to yours: Most matches are with double arty, triple arty games about half as much, and single arty matches somewhere in between.

And even my original impression that I would get more single arty battles has already been mitigated to a degree; I still got a bigger share of single arty battles but if only three or four of those 46 single arty battles had been double or triple arty fights instead then our relative quotas would already be uncannily close to each other.

Which also shows the significance of having a big enough sample. The randomness of the MM can easily result in a day in which indeed the majority of your battles had 3 arties on every team, and if you were toplay only three or four matches on such a day it's can even turn out that all matches on that day had triple arties.

But of course we can get just as easily the exact opposite, a day where the vast majority were battles with only a single SPG or even arty-free, only the haters kinda fail to mention those.

Now color me surprised, my percentages are already very similar to yours, apart from a slightly larger share of single arty matches (at the expense of the other two naturally) but those deviations can be expected, especially since my current battle count is less than half your observations.

Of course I plan to keep counting until my total will be similar to yours but I can't help but feeling that the ratio of single- double- and triple arty matches will stay similar to yours.