I've never heard of this place, never read the davinci code, or Holy Blood, or did any research into any of this. Thanks for the crash course

I never showed interest in the davinci code because I kept reading everywhere that it was false, fictional reading. But upon further reading of this
thread, I see it stemmed from a very complex theory.

The issue I'm having with all of this is that I seem to be a very influential person. It's one of the reasons I tend to be quiet around ATS.. I
believe everything I read until I do my own research.

But with this topic, I don't even know where to start.. it's all so intriging.

I may go out and buy the holy blood book.. do you recommend this?

But while I'm here, I have one question regarding scriptures and whatnot that's always bothered me. Why after all this time, have there been no
additional scriptures? Lost scriptures, or newly created ones? Has God no need to further his teachings? That's always been a contributing factor
in my belief of the bible.. why the sudden silence?

I personally believe Holy Blood, Holy Grail is prerequisite to any further study in this area.

Concerning your question of further writings. I do not even pretend to know the answer. But I do believe that 2000 years is ample warning, so maybe
there isn't any need to build on what is deemed perfected in the first pass.

There are many extraneous books to the canonized bible. There is the Jewish Pseudepigrapha and the christian apocrypha.

And therein lies the rest of my theory. I believe the Catholic church and the protestant churchs have long been infiltrated by false teachers.
Teachers who have led believers to accept things that weren't stated in the scriptures.

For instance, it doesn't say Christ didn't get married, does it? Therefore, we cannot hold a teaching that says Christ was never married as
scripturally sound. But this teaching has been so embedded in christian doctrine that to even propose that a child may have been fostered from a
union is taken as blasphemy.

What difference does it make to the sacrifice of Christ if he was married or had a child?

Not one stinking bit of difference. It does not change his sacrifice in the least. It does not change the Gospels in the least.

Tied to this is the false doctrine of the pretribulation rapture. You have a mass of phat, dumb and happy christians sitting out there convinced they
will not be here when the false teachers arrive or when the tribulation takes place. This leaves them in a vulnerable state that when the tribulation
starts, and the false secrets are revealed - they will fulfill the scripture that predicts the believers saying "He said he would come and He has not
- it was all a lie!" And hence the great apostasy.

There are so many things coming together that can fulfill John's dire prediction.

I've often wondered about this myself. I attended church regularly until I was 15 ,and after that I started thinking for myself. I eventually came to
the conclusion that God is everywhere and the church was just a gathering of worshippers (but I can worship anywhere I choose).
Supposedly, Jesus was the Lord God become flesh even though he is referred to as an individual (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) so he could spread the
word and see for himself how his creation was progressing. So how is it that He would come to the Earth and not experience everything that makes us
human ? Wouldn't He want to know(even though He knows and sees all) man's interaction with a loved one (be it a spouse or child, not just his
interaction with his fellow human beings)and how we interpret that interaction before he left?

Originally posted by QuietSoul
I may go out and buy the holy blood book.. do you recommend this?

Definately.

But while I'm here, I have one question regarding scriptures and whatnot that's always bothered me. Why after all this time, have there been no
additional scriptures? Lost scriptures, or newly created ones? Has God no need to further his teachings? That's always been a contributing factor
in my belief of the bible.. why the sudden silence?

There are many extraneous books to the canonized bible. There is the Jewish Pseudepigrapha and the christian apocrypha.

Have you ever read the flood legend as it is written in The Epic of Gilgamesh? There are many instances like this, where stories in the Old Testament
are mirrored in much older writings. the Epic is believed to have originated 2,500 years BCE.
Similarly, the story of royal blood lines goes back to those times as well. Thats why I'm sure that we're not just looking at a mystery going back
2000 years. The line of Jesus of Nazareth goes as far back into history as it perhaps does going to our time.

Originally posted by Valhall
In other words...I don't give a rat's a** whether Christ was married and had children. Unfortunately...many many people are greatly offended by the
idea and deem it heretical in nature. That fact alone supports my concerns.

[edit on 10-28-2005 by Valhall]

Your concerns are quite valid Val. As I read this and follow this topic which I have encountered you alluding to in the past, I find my own
fascination with this topic already making my head spin with the possible repercussions of your theory.

So, there is the the theory to explore, that you have made a very compelling case for, as well as the "what if it is true?".

Speaking as a devout if not perfect member of the Catholic Church (btw - just for perspective, I have not spent my entire life in the church), the
repercussions of this theory are probably the most alarming thing I have ever speculatated on. You are absolutely dead on in your concern.

Basically, any revelation that shatters a basic teaching of the church, a teaching that if reversed by those in authority will shake the faith and the
entire foundation of all teachings, will throw a LARGE population into spiritual if not actual chaos. Those who do not believe in God, or are not
devout in their faith, may come away saying "what is the big deal?". However, I really think that this population is the minority, therefore having
major repercussions on the masses.

Val, if your speculations and revelations regarding all this are true, proving your theory may be the only defense when it comes to pass, in
recognizing it for what it is. One would hope that if the great apostasy occurs in our lifetime, that some will have the ability to recognize it for
what it is, to not get lost in it. But an event on the scale you suspect to be the apostasy, puts doubt even in my own mind on how I would fare if
this came to pass. There is a major irreconcilable conflict within the Catholic church that could not be resolved if this were to occur, especially if
as I think you are suggesting, it would come from the top. It is not actually the issue of whether or not Jesus married and had children, but the
contradiction created by the church leaders themselves by ever acknowledging (whether true or false) that this were the case.

My fascination with this topic lies in theorising as to what "the secret" and the apostacy could be, specifically in relation to the events as
allegorically portrayed in Revelation, so forgive me if I ramble and brainstorm a bit or go in a slightly different direction to where most of you are
going. There's been some great posts by some very knowledgable people regarding the history of Knights Templar, Rennes-le-Chateau, et al.

Mayet and bigprobe mentioned bloodlines, DNA and cloning. The concept of DNA being an image is interesting. If you think about it, DNA is like an
image or a blueprint for our physical make-up. Could it be that the image of the Beast is a jump in our evolutionary DNA, something that will be
presented as our "stepping stone to divinity", simultaneously seeming to erase the need for God and disproving his divine elevation above us? (What
was that line in The Incredibles: "Saying everyone's special is another way of saying no one is.") Maybe the bloodlines of the Merovingian
is in fact this advanced DNA, or the missing piece of a DNA puzzle to soon be completed. Maybe the image of the Beast is the DNA of that bloodline and
worship of those who possess it? The Beast of Revelation rises out of the sea, 'sea' being a Biblical metaphor for the many races and nations of
men. Could it be that the image of God, the likeness of God, is the ascension by spiritual means and through the salvation of Jesus, whereas the image
of the Beast is pursuit of divinity through physical means, a counterfeit, a copy, or a deception presented as a shortcut or path to divinity. Jesus
stressed that man can only reach the kingdom of heaven through Him.

But if DNA is the secret, then how could Newton be so readily converted if indeed he was made privy to it? There was no way to see, identify, or even
conceive of DNA in his day. His fascination with geometry and mysticism would point to the possibility that the secret is metaphysical in nature; the
same pursuits that Crowley dabbled in. Does it have to do with the geometry of the Temple of Solomon, or the Pyramids. The freemasonic fascination
with geometry and numerology, and the description of it as "the craft" all seems to tie together...but how? Freemasonry also alludes to "seeking
the light". What is it that they are searching for exactly?

If aliens/gods whatever came down and bred with the people of the earth there could be a subtle change and difference.. Maybe it takes time for that
gene to be functional, maybe its something like Cystic fibrosis and both parents must be a carrier to pass it... maybe it does behave like these sort
of disease genes and so on and be regressive, like eye colours, show in some not in others, like dwarfism... the bloodline may come from a pure line
of the gene way back to dot.........
it could even be DNA memory...

maybe its not an extra gene at all but raher the absence of one we normally have...like downs syndrome is a missing chromosone...

Temple of Solomon, or the Pyramids. The freemasonic fascination with geometry and numerology, and the description of it as "the craft" all seems to
tie together...but how? Freemasonry also alludes to "seeking the light". What is it that they are searching for exactly?

I think it will be all of the above..irrefutable... everything will fit

Well, if we follow the research that has come before us we find that things seemed to take a right angle turn when the Knights Templar "apparently"
found something while excavating under the Temple Mount.

I agree that the step-wise knowledge increase in architecture is a bit hard to explain. I mean a bunch of zealous "defenders of the faith" agree to
go patrol the highways into Jerusalem for the sake of protecting pilgrims to the holy sites in and around that city...and the best the record shows is
they never actually did that. Instead, they spent a great deal of time underground and came out bodacious builders.

That's a bit hard to explain.

But what might harder to explain is that they apparently came back from the Holy Land with a new affinity to teachings/belief systems that really
seemed in contradiction to the beliefs they had allegedly gone to Jerusalem to defend in the first place. They came back with a very strange desire
to hang out over in the Languedoc which was populated with several cults that could be viewed the antithesis to the traditional christian
teachings.

That's really hard to explain.

The question is - is what they K.T.'s found under the mount related to the secret of Rennes? Or are they two separate issues that became
intertwined?

Want to quote Holy Blood, Holy Grail on the odd decorations Sauniere placed in the church:

A Latin inscription was incised in the porch lintel above the entrance:

TERRIBILIS EST LOCUS ISTE
(THIS PLACE IS TERRIBLE)

Immediately inside the entrance a hideous statue was erected, a gaudy representation of the demon Asmodeus - custodian of secrets, guardian of
hidden treasures, and, according to ancient Judaic legend, builder of Solomon's temple. On the church walls lurid, garishly painted plaques
were installed depicting the Stations of the Cross - each was characterized by some odd inconsistency, some inexplicable added detail, some flagrant
or subtle deviation from accepted Scriptural account. In Station VIII, for example, there is a child swathed in a Scottish plaid. In Station
XIV, which portrays Jesus' body being carried into the tomb, there is a background of dark nocturnal sky dominated by a full moon. It is almost as
if Sauniere were trying to intimate something. But what? That Jesus' burial occurred after nightfall, several hours later than the Bible tells us
it did? Or that the body is being carried out of the tomb, not into it?

Another sideline to the same story... worth reading and following up. I am yet to read this one

www.templarhistory.com...
Nearly 30 years ago, a television programme documentary programme about a tiny French village ended with the words: "something extraordinary is
waiting to be found on the mountaintop ... and in the not too distant future, it will be". Rennes-le-Chateau, the village in the French Pyrenees, is
world renowned. Bornholm is a tiny island in the Baltic Sea, a 1000 miles to the north. This book shows how these two specks upon the surface of the
earth are tied indissolubly together. They have been touched by the hands of master builders who shared a common expertise and a common body of
knowledge. Bornholm is barely 20 miles by 10 and possesses 15 mediaevel churches and many hundreds of standing stones which mark the island out as a
sacred site in remote antiquity. These ancient markers - and especially the churches - demonstrate a skill in land surveying, geometry and
mathematics. It is a knowledge which was jealously guarded and handed on. In the Middle Ages, those mysterious mediaeval warrior monks, the Knights
Templar, were still using and developing the same expertise. And they were doing it knowingly. This treasure of the "secrets of the past" as a body
of knowledge was only for the chosen few. "The Templars' Secret Island" shows many extraordinary links between Bornholm, France and Jerusalem. The
author's collaboration began when Erling Haagensen, born on Bornholm, was beginning to find the strange truth of his island home and contacted Henry
Lincoln who had already produced three books and three documentary films which had provided the first glimpse of the provable facts which were
underlying the story.
About The Author

In 1993 Erling Haagensen wrote the book Bornholms Mysterium (The Bornholm Mystery) - proving that the peculiar medieval churches are not randomly
distributed around Bornholm. They are constructed according to an amazing geometrical pattern.

This one mentions our DNA theory and may well be worth further research. This actually says the DNA is split. Interesting because I have never heard
of this before. Note the last paragraph that I have highlighted.

www.crystalinks.com...
In 1188 AD King Phillip II of France and King Henry II of England (with his heir Richard the Lion Hearted at his side) met on the sacred field at
Gisors. This site in France was where kings had come for centuries to debate, forge alliances, and sometimes do battle. A huge elm tree in the middle
of the sacred field was the central symbol - an ancient elm thought to be almost 800 years old at that time, so huge that nine men joined hand to hand
could not encircle it.

Phillip and Henry were not on good terms; war between England and France was in the air, and Henry was making a claim on France. Phillip informed
Henry that the elm would be cut down; Henry and Richard planned to defend it. A battle ensued, Richard was slightly wounded, the French army stormed
the field with superior manpower while the English fled and took refuge in the nearby chateaux of Gisors. Phillip chopped down the elm, and retained
France for himself. Henry thus did not conquer France but went home and ruled England, passing it on to Richard the Lion Heart followed by his other
son, John.

I see the cutting of the elm as a metaphor for - Elm=Tree of Life. Cutting - split in the bloodline - or DNA. This was all linked to
alchemy

Now its coming back Valhall...

damned tired brain.. been 12 years since i delved in thse parts the lines the geometric significance of Rennes was
important and how it tied in with Stonehenge If i remember rightly. I read about this as the Earths natural gridlines.. and then the omega haarp came
in around that time I was reading it. A book called earthlights, about the natural grids. Haarp took some or most if not all of those gridlines and
used it in their project to chain the earths natural "chi" i guess you would call it...

Has anyone got the French original text that Sauniere left behind of the below quote? I wonder if it held a key or code. It does mention a number and
the word key.

Shepardess no temptation that Poussin Teniers hold the key peace 681 by the cross and the horse of God I complete this Daemon guardian at midday blue
apples.

ah now my minds forming...

the treasure was split.... the DNA was split... Rennes holds one and somewhere else holds another... the split was made by King Phillip II of France
and King Henry II way back....but then was it..was there trickery involved...the scots and the english were not on good terms then I can't imagine
the brits giving something like that to the Scots..... was it maybe a three way split and one hidden completely... well maybe everything..this is all
supposition but it fits

Now the other... Rosslyn castle?.. The Hiram key needs to be pulled out of mothballs here...I am going back and checking on some dates here..

the dates of prior de scion
the dates of the supposed burial at rosslyn castle in Scotland
and correleate them with the 1188 situation of the splitting of the gene.

In the course of his endeavors he removed the altar stone, which rested on two archaic Visigoth columns. One of these columns proved to be
hollow. Inside the cure found four parchments preserved in sealed wooden tubes. Two of these parchments were said to have comprised genealogies, one
dating from 1244, the other from 1644. The two remaining documents had apparently been composed in the 1780s by on of Sauniere's predecessors as
cure of Rennes-le-Chateau, the Abbe Antoine Bigou. During his tenure in the village Bigou had also been personal chaplain to the noble Blanchefort
family, who, on the eve of the French Reveolution, were still among the most prominent local landowners.

The two parchments from Bigou's time would appear to be pious Latin texts, excerpts from the New Testament. At least ostensibly. But on one of the
parchments the words are run incoherently together, with no space between them, and a number of utterly superfluous letters have been inserted. And
on the second parchment lines are indiscriminately truncated - unevenly, sometimes in the middle of a word - while certain letters are conspicuously
raised above the others. In reality these parchments comprise a sequence of ingenious ciphers or codes. Some of them are fantastically complex,
defying even a computer, and insoluble without the requesite key. The resulting following decipherment has appeared in French works devoted to
Rennes-le-Chateau and in two of our films on the subject made for the BBC:

Valhall, if I was you I would attemtp to get a hold of "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" by "Laurence Gardner", in my view it is by far the best view
on this whole area of Jesus having a family.

The fact they go in depth on family history, Jewish scriptures, etc, is something most do not do correctly and I have yet to find an error with their
translations. Something which most the other books do have.

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