JR wrote:Considering you had a pause in your active throwing it is possible that you haven't gotten Beasts that were manufactured in the last two years. They've become more HSS without adding to the LSS vs the new mold Beasts. DX Beasts beats to useless soon. The other plastics are fine. The Surge should be longer than the Flash but Mark Ellis says that some Flashes are longer than others IIRC and that is his main driver. Star Destroyers do break in but i've never heard of a quick breaking in. Nukes and Dominators both are as hard to grip than the Boss. If you want a sure fire longer than Flash disc without being the widest winged there is only one option beyond the Wraith which is a slightly faster and longer harder fading Surge. Westside Discs King in VIP plastic with a non drooping outside edge and a tall dome is the answer and even it has a fairly wide wing. Kings vary so much that you need to get it in person or order from a knowledgeable net store.

Cool, thanks for the suggestions. I definitely haven't thrown a Beast that was made after 2008 or so. I have an unthrown one sitting here but I'm fairly sure it's at least that old as well. Sounds like my best bet is to try a 167-ish flat Surge and a Beast, and check the merch bins at my next tourney for a VIP King that looks good. Westside didn't exist the last time I was really playing so it's all new to me. Thanks! A lot of work for a disc that I'll probably only throw twice per round, lol.

Before buying anything i'd do a shootout between the Flash and the Surge. Maybe you'll save money. But the King is a lot longer yet controllable disc. Only lighter Blizzard discs match the lower power requirement to other warp speeders if you don't count the flippier Latitude equivalent. The name of which escapes me because it is useless at our power level for anything else than rollers.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Have you ever come across a situation where you need a short hard fading approach and the Wasp powered down still skips too much or doesn't fade hard enough? If there is such a situation facing you you might want to consider an overstable putter like the Zone or the Pig which is slower and doesn't skip as hard. Rhynos fade fairly much powered down but they get a lot straighter at power or into a headwind. You have many drivers but FH/BH might need it not always with a proper setup. I don't remember how far you throw but a longer driver with the same or less power requirement than the Wraith is possible.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

The new Banger fades hard enough for me, I have considered a zone but just stuck with the Banger because it does what I need.

I throw the Bangers 200 and under, some stuff out to 220, Buzzz/Wasp for shots between 200 and 300, Teebird/Firebird 300-320, Crush/Vision 330, Wraith 350+, max golf D is probably 350', I can stretch the Teebird out that far sometimes, the Wraiths can scratch 380' if everything goes right.

The Wraith's are both discs I custom dyed so that is a big reason they are in the bag, I wouldn't mind shelving them for something that is easier to throw, they can be temperamental.

I have been really wanting to try out Westside...so I recently picked up a GL Northman but haven't thrown it more than once or twice. Not sure where that will fit in the bag, if at all.

I will be keeping either the JLS or the Teebird long term, not both, just trying them. I could see replacing the Wraiths with just one long distance disc, something for wide open long distance. Also, is there a version of the Buzzz that would fit between the ESP Buzzz and a Z Wasp, I would prefer another Buzzz instead of the Roc.

Mids: Rocs (170 KC pro beat, 175 kc pro beat, 176 dx newish, 180 glow) -solid up to 250' or so- Almost all mid shots Meteor (Esp) -275 or so- Bridge between mids and drivers. Has kind of taken the place of dx eagle L.

Fairways:Eagle X (170 KC pro very beat, 168 Star beat, 175 star) -260 to 300ish- the KC pro Eagle is straight to understable, the meteor helps with very understable throws I have found that Eagle Xs also make good FH discs.

Drivers:Katana (Blizzard, 170 Pro beat, 175 Champ) Blizzard is my max disctance disc. The pro is understable.Dominator (175) Needed something that was more stable than a Katana and not as stable as the freak wicked overstable star katana I haven't figured out yetPulse (175) FH disc

You are pushing the Rattler quite far out regarding changing wind conditions. It is much more consistent at 150' and the Aviar is ok to good/borderline great at above 150'. But much depends on the wind conditions you play in and if you play in mountain elevation the Rattler is much more forgiving than at sea level.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

You are right on with your statements about Rattlers and Aviars. I do play at sea level, but it isn't very windy where I play (most of the time.)

Wind KILLS my game!

It is not as bad now that I throw Rocs instead of Comets, but it is still bad. Rattlers ARE best inside of 150, but I have been throwing them for a long time and with a little height and I can get them out there a bit (hit the pole on a 215' drive today). I figure when I beat in an Aviar P&A or something, my Rattlers will give up more of their duties off the Tee.