They would never charge less than $15/month because people would probably think it translates to less content and less service. Similarly I doubt they'd go over $15 when their biggest competitor (who has a huge foothold in the market) charges $15.

They would never charge less than $15/month because people would probably think it translates to less content and less service. Similarly I doubt they'd go over $15 when their biggest competitor (who has a huge foothold in the market) charges $15.

Luke Skywalker, and Leia both have Partners, Lukes partner is even a previous imperial agent, yet they both are not dark side.

And since one of the jedi teachings is "love" you would think having love would strengthen you.

Relationships were considered a conflict of interest in the order, much like catholic priests. It could also lead to dangerous emotional attachments that could potentialy spiral out of control. But by that time Luke was just about the only Jedi so he essentially had free reign to rework the code as he saw fit for a new era. Hell, he even incorperated Force Lightning into Jedi training. Why not love?

Luke Skywalker, and Leia both have Partners, Lukes partner is even a previous imperial agent, yet they both are not dark side.

And since one of the jedi teachings is "love" you would think having love would strengthen you.

Having a relationship can weaken you so much more, your loved one is killed you go into a rage then you lose yourself to the dark side. And the luke skywalker having a wife thing I take with a grain of salt anyway. The amount of "rules" he broke and rewrote when he reestablished the order makes it all lackluster. At one point he joined the sith or at least was on the same side of them i know that much. And im sure the death of his wife and the treachery of his bloodline (caused through love and attachment) didnt help him in the direction he took his life.

Relationships were considered a conflict of interest in the order, much like catholic priests. It could also lead to dangerous emotional attachments that could potentialy spiral out of control. But by that time Luke was just about the only Jedi so he essentially had free reign to rework the code as he saw fit for a new era. Hell, he even incorperated Force Lightning into Jedi training. Why not love?

This was the Old CodeEmotion, yet peace.Ignorance, yet knowledge.Passion, yet serenity.Chaos, yet harmony.Death, yet the Force.
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There is no emotion, there is peace.There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.There is no passion, there is serenity. (There is no chaos, there is harmony.)(*) There is no death, there is the Force.
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no real reason i posted it, just cause

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Originally Posted by tamlus

Having a relationship can weaken you so much more, your loved one is killed you go into a rage then you lose yourself to the dark side. And the luke skywalker having a wife thing I take with a grain of salt anyway. The amount of "rules" he broke and rewrote when he reestablished the order makes it all lackluster. At one point he joined the sith or at least was on the same side of them i know that much. And im sure the death of his wife and the treachery of his bloodline (caused through love and attachment) didnt help him in the direction he took his life.

Luke took up his Fathers old position in the empire to secretly undermine their operations

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Edit: Course he was starting to lose his way of thinking being surrounded by the darkside for such awhile, but he was able to be brought back

My point more the fact that luke almost went to the dark side on more then one occasion and that the death of his loved one helped that. Although personally i think its all shit, im the kind of person that really doesnt enjoy the whole "the emperor returned as a clone and luke had epic battles for 50 more years crap. I prefer the George Lucas Universe, which is 6 movies and a cartoon series =D.

But back to my original point, in SWTOR if you are a Jedi and you romance you need to be rewarded DS points, is it fair? No because if you dont romance you will not be rewarded lightside points but still if we are making this game as true to SW as possible and story driven, thats the way you do it.

Originally Posted by Yoda

"Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed that is. Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.The fear of loss is a path to the Dark Side."

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

My point more the fact that luke almost went to the dark side on more then one occasion and that the death of his loved one helped that. Although personally i think its all shit, im the kind of person that really doesnt enjoy the whole "the emperor returned as a clone and luke had epic battles for 50 more years crap. I prefer the George Lucas Universe, which is 6 movies and a cartoon series =D.

But back to my original point, in SWTOR if you are a Jedi and you romance you need to be rewarded DS points, is it fair? No because if you dont romance you will not be rewarded lightside points but still if we are making this game as true to SW as possible and story driven, thats the way you do it.

was it fully said any romance gives darkside points? it could of just came from romancing a "evil" npc or somthing

My point more the fact that luke almost went to the dark side on more then one occasion and that the death of his loved one helped that. Although personally i think its all shit, im the kind of person that really doesnt enjoy the whole "the emperor returned as a clone and luke had epic battles for 50 more years crap. I prefer the George Lucas Universe, which is 6 movies and a cartoon series =D.

That gives me a perfect opportunity to promote a great Luke AU story. A Son of Suns Trilogy by blank101. Here are the links if you are in a reading mood.

Torwars has a link on romancing from april, 2011 that talks about romancing (from the darkside, at least.)

That's all I have heard on the subject. It basically says you dont get light or dark side points for the way you talk.

As far as romancing goes on the Lightside, it comes and goes. Sometimes its allowed. Sometimes its not. The Jedi keep changing it. Of course, Jedi and Sith are not Lightside and Darkside. So the whole romancing thing is a bad example.

You can feel emotions just fine as a Jedi. The trick is to not be ruled by your emotions.

To who ever can answer this shall get the keys to mah interwebs. Of the healing classes we know of which ones have what roles. And by that I mean which is the HoT(Druid) healer, Tank(Paladin) Healer and the Absorbsion (disc Priest like) healer. I remember hearing someone on darthhater mention a HoT healing class so im assuming we have variety. Thanks, Tam.

Hello TOR fans, old and new. Since just before E3 this year, this thread has exploded. We gained 1400 posts and about 90,000 new views during E3, and it still hasn't really slowed down. So, I'd like to go over a few things.

My name is Trollsbane, but you may call me Trolls for short. =p I run this thread out of love for this game. I feel it's important to combat the huge amount of disinformation that circulates about this game. This is THE big upcoming game of the MMO industry. Everyone is following it hoping it succeeds, competes, or fails. I put together a compilation of known facts on the first page to help find all the info people are looking for by puting it in one easy to find place.

I've had a chance to play this game. I was never a chosen game tester. I know a few things about this game that the general public does not. And for the most part, it will stay that way. Although I am bound by no NDA, I still won't discuss things that have not already been seen outside of conventions. What I can do, is elaborate further than many of the fansites have done. This of course does not stop others from posting beta leaks. I'm just saying it won't come from myself.

Having played the game, I can say (as true with almost every game) seeing videos of gameplay does this game no justice in any form. It plays smooth and looks beautiful. It's not "WoW in space". It's an evolution. The story, something that many still believe is impossible in an MMO, truly makes this game gripping and more immersive than anything else in the market ever hoped to be. This can only be felt when you actually get to play it. But the story is not by anymeans the only great thing this game has to offer. This is Bioware at their best.

The community in this forum is something I really care about. Discussion is fine, and wanted. But flaming is something we need to work to avoid. People love to pop into this thread and post the 1 bad review out of 100. They like to say how the game looks like crap and this or that is bad. Etc. Etc. Ignore these people. Report the post and move on. As for ourselves, treat eachother with respect. You are not special, so don't act like you sit above the rest.

Don't go into another video game's thread and flame. Many people here have interest in more than one game, and have built a friendly community with the lovers of that game. Mainly this applies to Guild Wars 2 and the people in that thread. We won't see eye to eye on many a things, but that is no reason to disrespect them, and vice versa.

Don't start any retarded "WoW killer" posts. You look like an idiot, and thus make us look like tools. Keep the TOR talk civil and in this thread. We don't need another Rift fiasco in these forums. If you have ideas or something that you would like added to the front page, please post it here for more input or send me a message.

TL;DR: You're an idiot and should just read the damn thing. Be respectful and help eachother. Read the post on the front page to find many answers you may have.

As for me im only visiting mmo-champ for the off-tpic section and this thread now, il post everything thing i find, next time send me a beta key! Muhaha!

Ive lost interest in wow in March even without ToR it would not have changed, and the more the time advance and i look at their design direction the more i hate it.

Trollsbane i dont see why you say that video dont give justice, i think it does.
Its my kotor3 with multiplayers!

R.I.P. Nienniora the ret paly, you fought long enough.

well most videos graphics have to be turned down to make for smoothness of streaming or recording

and yes R.I.P for your pally.. i don;t think i can retire my shaman.. hes over 6 years old and really the only thing thats keeping me in the game.. is the time left from the release date of SWTOR and my girlfriend playing the game, not totaly sure she wants to play the starwars mmo and that her laptop can handle it =s
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and Troll id love to just probe your Brain for more info but ya, i agree you can't tell us everything,