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Re: farm bill

No I'm just going off everyone else saying hr366 is attached to the farm bill. I did here some people call in and oppose it when I was watching it on tv and they talked about the hr366 bill, so it also passed with the farm bill I don't know where you can see everything in the farm bill.

Originally Posted by buzzbait

Spangle game or anyone else - do u have the link of a legitimate site with exact bill regarding the spectator act that's suppose to be attached to this farm bill ?

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I appreciate the reply but I'm lookin for "hard facts " from the bill its self not something from the humane society website thats 2 days old and gives so callled positive outlook in thier favor in hopes of more donations showing up in mail. I'm not being disrespectful I just need "hard proof" , I'm not easily pursuaded . Thanks

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It will pass and the sad part is for most they cant leave the USA to attend the sport they love. Mexico is a great place to go if you have it in ya and living is cheap. Hell you can buy a house as little as $5.000. I'm thinking of going myself soon. Im setting up my bloodlines for the Mexican style shows putting in my notice probably get close to a couple mill out of my place now and being that I am a contractor here in the states, I will build another house. S C R E W the US and ill be speaking Spanish soon laid up next to a little Mexican cutie

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Originally Posted by buzzbait

I appreciate the reply but I'm lookin for "hard facts " from the bill its self not something from the humane society website thats 2 days old and gives so callled positive outlook in thier favor in hopes of more donations showing up in mail. I'm not being disrespectful I just need "hard proof" , I'm not easily pursuaded . Thanks

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The US House of Representatives passed the much debated farm bill today by a vote of 251-166. The five-year bill now goes to the Senate, which is expected to send it to the president's desk.

The AGDN believes that there is one last opportunity to strike anti-cockfighting language from the Farm Bill. ...Send a letter objecting to cockfighting language in the Farm Bill and requesting that the language be stricken before the Senate passes the Farm Bill.

I am writing to urge you to strike anti-cockfighting provisions from the Farm Bill before it is approved. Cockfighting has been misrepresented and condemned by stereotype without regard for history, tradition or baseline equal protections demanded by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Cockfighting has been stereotyped as an inhumane sport amounting to animal cruelty. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are not discussing dogs. Cockfighting does not meet the statutory definition of animal cruelty relative to other activities, arguably more egregious, that are currently protected by the law. The Humane Slaughter Act of 1958 specifically excludes poultry from humane slaughter requirements. This means poultry have there beaks cut off and their feet clipped without stunning or anesthesia, so they won't kill each other when they instinctually fight.

Moreover, trophy hunting and trapping are perfectly legal activities. Killing for sport. Remember, these animals are more conscious and sentient than a chicken and prolonging their pain, suffering and death is completely protected. Also, falconry is legally protected by Federal regulations making this blood sport between two birds perfectly legal. (See 50 USC 21.29). This is a clear example of hypocritical policymaking and unjustly targeted moral condemnation.

Not only are these contradictions illogical, they should be considered Constitutionally impermissible. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution stipulates that all individuals must be granted equal protection under the law. The only meaningful differences between commercial slaughter, hunting and cockfighting is a matter of taste and economics, neither of which overwhelm a legislator's imperative to implement Constitutional policy. Remember, the legislature is a critical component of rights based policymaking. The courts respect the decisions of legislators acting within constitutional confines.

Independently, critics argue that cockfighting should be illegal because it promotes gambling and a criminal element. Most importantly, these concerns are irrelevant to Constitutional considerations. Also, according to the most comprehensive survey ever conducted on the subject of cockfighting, American Cockers, these concerns are completely overstated. Indeed, if there is any legitimacy to the claims of illegal gambling and a criminal element related to cockfighting, then those claims are made worse by driving the activity underground where it remains hidden from public scrutiny and potential regulation. Moreover, billions of dollars are illegally gambled on legal sporting events every year and these sports are still protected. Gambling is a non-unique policy issue that should not be allowed to justify denying a rights base to a class of people that have practiced the sport of cockfighting for generations.

Arbitrary and arguably unconstitutional legislative targeting of the gamefowl industry is decimating an underrepresented, but no less important, segment of American society. It is an indisputable fact that our Founding Fathers raised gamefowl as a matter of course. It is unlikely that the very hands that drafted the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution would also sign legislation designating cockfighting as a criminal activity.

I urge you to support the gamefowl community and propose striking anti-cockfighting language from the Farm Bill before it is approved.

Re: farm bill

Originally Posted by Razor

So is it a felony now or what

It looks like it's only passed the House right now. Laborerkennels has posted above what we all need to do and it needs to be done ASAP (by everybody on here that is a US citizen). If you have a spouse and/or adult children, or any other adult family members, get them to do the same. Bombard them with this PLEASE ! ! ! ! ! ! !

If this becomes law we will then live in a country where we can kill the unborn, send our sons and daughters to foriegn countries to die, smoke dope, same sex folks can be married and you can drive through KFC for a bucket of chicken on your way home from work but you will not be able to attend a cockfight without the risk of becoming a "FELON".

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We are in a sad, sad state in our country. This is coming from someone who has fought for the red, white, and blue in two countries, been wounded and put through the ringer. This is not my America. My Constitution says I have the right to life, liberty, and thep ursuit of happiness. According to that, *I have the freedom to choose what is right and wrong in my own life....so long as it does not infringe on someone else's right to life. I also have the right to pursue my happiness. Nothing makes me happier than watching two roosters do what they were made to do.

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If it passes it will hurt the economy bad. You will see the stockmarket drop. If they would legalize rooster fighting. It would boost the economy, just think of the taxes the government could collect. Could be like a superbowl.

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Originally Posted by hatchblack57

If it passes it will hurt the economy bad. You will see the stockmarket drop. If they would legalize rooster fighting. It would boost the economy, just think of the taxes the government could collect. Could be like a superbowl.

Hell,they already collect enough taxes. And still can't run the country. The United States is run by a bunch of sissies. YFIS

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Originally Posted by buzzbait

I appreciate the reply but I'm lookin for "hard facts " from the bill its self not something from the humane society website thats 2 days old and gives so callled positive outlook in thier favor in hopes of more donations showing up in mail. I'm not being disrespectful I just need "hard proof" , I'm not easily pursuaded . Thanks

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Also just in case someone still hasn't figured it out it is NOT a felony if this law passes it will be a misdemeanor as the jail time is exactly one year (exactly one year or less is a misdemeanor to the feds any more is a felony).

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Originally Posted by red1

So 1 year in jail+ a cash fine on too of it for only being a spectator?

One or the other or both so you could be just fined or just sent to prison for a day or pay a fine and be sent to prison for up to a year. The fine isn't detailed so it could be $50 but I'm thinking it's a $1000 since that's what the "bad guys" like to try and get the felony fines set at in various states. The "standing around" argument is a very solid one and I would suggest anyone who gets busted for a spector law to fight it with a defense similar to that argument.

SEC. 3. ENFORCEMENT OF ANIMAL FIGHTING PROHIBITIONS.

Section 49 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by striking ``Whoever'' and inserting ``(a) In
General.--Whoever'';
(2) in subsection (a), as designated by paragraph (1) of
this section, by striking ``subsection (a),'' and inserting
``subsection (a)(1),''; and
(3) by adding at the end the following new subsections:
``(b) Attending an Animal Fighting Venture.--Whoever violates
subsection (a)(2)(A) of section 26 of the Animal Welfare Act (7 U.S.C.
2156) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for not more than 1
year, or both, for each violation.
``(c) Causing a Minor To Attend an Animal Fighting Venture.--
Whoever violates subsection (a)(2)(B) of section 26 (7 U.S.C. 2156) of
the Animal Welfare Act shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for
not more than 3 years, or both, for each violation.''.

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I think that we should be gearing up for a court battle. I think we should still call the Federal reps but I think they are a bunch of already paid off whores for the animal right activist. I think if we get good representation that can show how the federal government is stomping all over state laws we have a chance. I think the court battle should also be brought up in a southern state were the judges actually goes by the constitution and not by Walt Disney law that Bambi actually carries on a conversation with Thumper on what the are going to do with Mr. bear tomorrow after they eat dinner.

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Originally Posted by angus

I think that we should be gearing up for a court battle. I think we should still call the Federal reps but I think they are a bunch of already paid off whores for the animal right activist. I think if we get good representation that can show how the federal government is stomping all over state laws we have a chance. I think the court battle should also be brought up in a southern state were the judges actually goes by the constitution and not by Walt Disney law that Bambi actually carries on a conversation with Thumper on what the are going to do with Mr. bear tomorrow after they eat dinner.

I think the constitutionality of this law is very questionable so it could stand a chance at being thrown out but probably once it reaches the Supreme Court so bringing it up in a southern state may not have much of an impact in the long run but oh it would be a nice win nonetheless. I think the equal protection clause argument is good and possibly (later on down the road) the harshness of the punishment may be to harsh which is also against the constitution and I'd bring that up in any state that has a felony law as it is disproportionate to a victim-less crime.

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I agree with you Keoni. I think if it is challenged in a lower court and proven unconstitutional it will not have to go to the supreme court. The only reason that it would go any farther is if the losing side showed grounds that the ruling was flawed and needed to go to a higher court to rule on lower courts decision.

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So what it comes down to is.....there going to lock me up for watching 2 Roosters. There going after me with as much effort, or more, than they would go after some sicko watching kid porn? What is this country coming too? It's legal to abort a child, smoke pot and marry the same sex, but not WATCH two Roosters fight? People, make no mistake, this is just the Beginning. The politicians are not going to pay ANY attention to a small number of country boys with some roosters. I am keeping my Chickens, I feel sorry for the person that comes to my farm and intends on removing them from my farm. Sooner or later, they will attempt to do just that. Just watch, it's coming.

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(Join your state GBA and the UGBA. That's what they are for.

I'm here to tell you fellas I was on the front line with this when it was going on it Oklahoma.
I was there when the welfare moms was getting $5.00 for every person they got to sign to get it on the ballet was their when many of they admitted in court that they had forged signatures, one lady admitted she just got out the phone book and started writing.

Nothing changed it stayed on the ballet and was voted on and passed.
I was there and seen the smaller pits door fee go from $10.00 to $20.00 with a one time $20.00 dollar membership fee and the bigger pit went from $20.00 to $35.00 with a one time $50.00 membership fee once our OGBE got a court injunction to fight from 2002 until 2004.

The reason for the price doubling and the $50.oo membership fee was to afford fees for our OGBA to fight and they did make a show of hands, but that's about all I care to say on what they did. Ken McNealy owner of MidAmerican pit claimed to have been sending the OGBA 20 to 30 thousand a week form fees collected and I don't dought the man one bit.

Clayton smith claimed owner of Kellyville pit claimed to be sending the OGBA 20 to 25 thousand a week and Odas mills of tiger mountain pit claimed to be sending 8 to 12 thousand a week from fees collected and I don't dought and of these fine men.

I thank just from them fees by themselves being given would pay the fees or any attorney or any team of attorneys.
Guess what it wasn't. Read up on the laws of donations, up to 90% yes 90$ can be used to maintain and collect donation fees. GUESS WHAT AND THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU PUT MONEY IN THEM JARS ASKING FOR MONEY, BECAUSE 90% IN JUST GOING TO THE COST TO MAINTAIN THAT DAM JAR ALL LEGAL

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file injunction if possible...then a class lawsuit? Im asking I don't know. Do we have any high powered attorneys that own gamefowl? I am raising them till the Lord calls me to the chicken yard in the sky!

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I emailed and called and they said they and gotten a lot of calls about this here in KY. Everyone needs to keep calling and emailing in. Don't be afraid if they ask what your name is when you call. If you cant provide your name then they won't take you serious.

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Originally Posted by fontainecl

We are in a sad, sad state in our country. This is coming from someone who has fought for the red, white, and blue in two countries, been wounded and put through the ringer. This is not my America. My Constitution says I have the right to life, liberty, and thep ursuit of happiness. According to that, *I have the freedom to choose what is right and wrong in my own life....so long as it does not infringe on someone else's right to life. I also have the right to pursue my happiness. Nothing makes me happier than watching two roosters do what they were made to do.

Your testimony to a legislator could be very persuasive. We need folks like you to organize and tell our side of the story.