@beet111: The problem isn't that they sell nazi knife replicas. It's that they're selling lighters and other stuff that you aren't really so much nazi war items as it is skinhead lifestyle items (if i recall correctly)

@beet111: The problem isn't that they sell nazi knife replicas. It's that they're selling lighters and other stuff that you aren't really so much nazi war items as it is skinhead lifestyle items (if i recall correctly)

I have gotten many items from Budk they were all worth more than I paid , of course like any co. there might some poorly made items . Any one should research the product before you buy .
Thanks Budk and Woot
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@wmayo: only one person complained about the quality. Everyone else is stating that the selling of nazi items are the issue. As was pointed out, one of the items the site sells is a lighter with a swastika on it which is not really appropriate for this site. I'm surprised Woot has not vetted this vendor better.

@conanthelibrarian: Think Fast Toys is the vendor selling it, but it does look like the product is a Budk product. I'm not sure if they are the same company, but at first glance they don't appear to be.

@razer14: Honestly the fact that you even throw out a figure like 6,000,000 shows how emotional and uneducated you are about the subject. Not even the US government recognizes the 6,000,000 figure. The official US government figure was 3 million and that was prior to the change in the total number executed as Auschwitz being dropped by over half. The more research they do the lower the numbers get a realistic number by most accounts would be in the 1-2 million range which is still quite horrific and terrible but also 1/6th to 1/3rd of the already proven wildly inaccurate number that no one except Jewish authors recognizes. Why people feel the need to wildly exaggerate the number killed is baffling since you would think executing 1-2 million people would be bad enough but apparently not.

I'm baffled as to why anyone gets pissed off about Nazi emblem stuff anyways, is it really this big a deal to you still? You know the US holocausted several hundred thousand Japanese civilians and has used depleted uranium shells and armor in the past several wars which have been proven to release uranium dust upon exploding or being hit (in the armors case) which causes mental and genetic defects for the children of the US's own soldiers as well as the enemies and poisons local water supplies and farm lands. They tested chemical weapons on their own soldiers in both Korea and Vietnam, they used their own soldiers for widescale clinical trials for drugs during both Iraq wars and the Afghan war. This is just a handful of well documented examples without even getting into the whole history of US war crimes. Do you get pissed off when you see American flags stamped onto things as well?

@razer14: Please review your history. The only reason the Nazi's are viewed as "the worst" is not because the US or even UK, Japan, Russia, etc aren't comparable in numbers or atrocities it's simply because the Nazi's racked up their numbers and atrocities in a very rapid time frame instead of an ongoing continued campaign for the entire history of their country like the US, UK, Russia, Japan (until post WWII), etc.

Fun bit of trivia, the only country to commit a complete genocide in recorded history is the UK.

@mnmountainbiker: Every country I named has as much freedom of speech as the US does... Now if I had said China or something that would be a whole different story.

Also apologies I was primarily replying to political comments already made on the thread since it's absurd to discredit a good deal because the site sells a lighter that has a Nazi emblem on it. Most of BudK stuff is crap but they also have a lot of high quality merchandise you just need to do your research so this is still a great deal and it shouldn't matter to people that a site sells something with a Nazi emblem anymore than it should a US flag, a Union Jack, Confederate flag, Republic of Texas flag, or any other controversial emblem associated with war crimes.

@razer14: Sorry no, no you didn't. You gave a link to the parks department. This would be like me quoting the department of education for proof that the US government supports the Syrian government. If you can't see the issue with this or why it has no relevance what so ever then I really cannot continue to discuss this since there is no possible way I will be able to explain to you that the parks department is not the US governments voice nor their public image and has no affiliation what so ever to foreign affairs.

@ikisat: Right, because a link to a site devoted to the history of an event is completely irrelevant. Your analogy is a perfect embodiment of your ignorance. So thank you for that. Please show me a link to the state department that shows that another branch of the government is lying. Or continue to be a wacko holocaust denier, that's fun too.

@razer14: Holocaust denier? wow... try reading anything I've said. Here I'll go ahead and quote myself for you to make it easier "Why people feel the need to wildly exaggerate the number killed is baffling since you would think executing 1-2 million people would be bad enough but apparently not."-Me.

@ikisat: And you still refuse to post a link to a state department number. I too can scream random numbers and claim they're true but since you refuse to offer any evidence of your claim it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

@razer14: All you've done so far is scream random numbers and hurl inaccurate insults with no source or relevance for any of your information. Perhaps you should goto the state departments fully archived and search-able website to learn more about the holocaust. As you quoted the freaking parks department it's pretty clear you've never done that and don't know much about the US government which is perfectly fine but don't also refuse to learn about it.

@shabazz18: Agreed, but that isn't the issue in this case. BudK does sell both Nazi memorabilia and paraphernalia as does pretty much any martial arts/tactical/survival/military store you can even goto most knife stores at the mall and buy a Nazi embled lighter. You can also buy confederate embled, republic of texas embled, american flag embled, all manner of cartel and gang embled, it has no effect on the deal at all it's people being overtly over emotional about a 70 year old war crime because they watched some series about it on TV. The comments about how woot should have better vetted the deal were pretty funny though.

This whole argument is stupid, people can and will buy from merchants who support particular viewpoints, just as others will refuse to do so. Non-issue.

That said, I don't like it when people throw around factual inaccuracies and try to claim they are true, so I researched this to see who is right. The US Department of State refers all Holocaust questions to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum: http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rt/hlcst/c11384.htm

Various books and articles I came across while pulling that up also list the 6 million figure, and all of them mention that they do not have exact tallies and that 6 million is just an estimate. However, it is the prevailing estimate.

Now, stop the silly bickering, and someone find me a good deal on a vacuum cleaner.

@chupac: The 5.1 to 6 million figure you sourced is for all Jews who died during the period of the holocaust not Jewish victims of the holocaust. Thanks for the research but if you want to include Jewish soldiers who died in combat, Jews who died of old age, who got hit by a car, et cetera, et cetera then I have no argument what so ever that at least 5-6 million Jews died during WWII. This figure would however be the same as saying that 6 million Japanese died in US concentration camps or that 6 million Japanese were killed in the US nuclear holocaust based on the fact that millions of Japanese died during WWII. It's not exactly an accurate way to represent the situation which your link does fully explain if people bother reading their explanation of the 6 million figure.

@ikisat: Apparently you didn't read the link: "In 1933, the Jewish population of Europe stood at over nine million. Most European Jews lived in countries that Nazi Germany would occupy or influence during World War II. By 1945, the Germans and their collaborators killed nearly two out of every three European Jews as part of the "Final Solution," the Nazi policy to murder the Jews of Europe."

I'm not sure you can do math since you apparently can't read but here it is 2/3 of 9,000,000 = 6,000,000

On their FAQ: "Jews were the primary victims -- six million were murdered."
MURDERED not killed in car wrecks or died of heart attacks.

@razer14: Perhaps I missed that because it isn't on the linked page? Anywhere... none of what you said is on the page that was linked which is the FAQ page with the question "2. How many Jews were killed during the Holocaust?"

Which if you bothered reading the linked page or what you just replied to you would have noticed it says "The estimated number of Jewish fatalities during the Holocaust is usually given as between 5.1 and 6 million victims. However, despite the availability of numerous scholarly works and archival sources on the subject, Holocaust-related figures might never be definitively known.". Let's use Auschwitz as an example since in the original counts over 4 million Jews were executed at Auschwitz this was a fact until the early 90's. Know what that number is today? 900k-1.1 million it's gone down by 3 million. Every time a concentration camp is researched the number who died there goes down.

@ikisat: No one here is discussing the nuances of Holocaust deaths or research into fatality estimates. All I'm responding to is the silly argument between you two and fact checking the claims made therein:

"Honestly the fact that you even throw out a figure like 6,000,000 shows how emotional and uneducated you are about the subject. Not even the US government recognizes the 6,000,000 figure. The official US government figure was 3 million and that was prior to the change in the total number executed as Auschwitz being dropped by over half."

6 million is the number officially given by the US government in multiple places. If you don't like that, talk to your congressional representative about having it changed, not people on woot. And certainly do not talk to me anymore, because you're sounding more and more like a 6th grader who just did a report on the Holocaust by running a few yahoo searches and accidentally read a little too much revisionist history.

@ikisat: While I am half German, with my paternal grandparents emigrating from Germany and my father fighting against the Germans in WWII I need to say something to you... You are an idiot spouting off about something you know absolutely nothing about. JUST STFU!

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