X370 needs Zen3 too!

We were the early adopters and pioneers for the AM4 socket. We bought with the promise of support throughout the AM4 socket life (*). As long as future processors were electrically compatible, we were going to be able to upgrade them with our existing AM4 X370 motherboards.

As pioneers, we had to work through a lot of pain to get to stability and I went through an endless stream of bios updates, RMAing my CPU (in the case of compiling code & the “marginality” problem), and system hang’s when idle running Linux (c6 cstate bug.) I worked though all of these problems and now have two stable x370 systems at home.

Some people will say, X370 is so old, why would I even expect AMD to support it? I’ve had these motherboards for less than 3 years, I don’t think I’m being unreasonable for them to support these boards for 3 years from the date they were replaced by X470. Heck, there’s hardly any difference between X370 & X470. What ever system AMD will be using to support X470 for Zen3 will work fine for X370.

To AMD: My complaints and others should be viewed as a compliment. The fact that so many people want to upgrade to your next product release says how much market perception has changed over the last 3 years.

So, show some final love to your X370 pioneers. Give us Zen3.

(*) This might not be technically true, but my own interpretation of past events relating to the initial release reviews and marketing from AMD. If you disagree, I will not argue the point.

Thank you for your respectful and consistent request from another X370 user

You described in detail my experience as well, it could not be otherwise, after about 25 BIOS updates and 3 generations I observe a board suitable to support the next 10 years if AMD, Microsoft and the GNU/Linux Community wants.

I don't write here to be critical of AMD, IMO their creativity and tenacity has helped everyone (including Intel forcing them to wake up ) and I feel lucky and proud to have been able to participate,

Let me request to AMD from here more collaboration with motherboard manufacturers to offer us 2 BIOS to choose, 1 for Zen and Zen+ and another for Zen 2 & 3, I think if they want is possible and IMO would be a show of respect for us, early adopters and pioneers customers for having trusted and invested in AMD Zen.

Sadly they're not going to do it else they would have announced it back with they said they'd do it for the X470/B450. Heck, it's going to be interesting to see if Renoir, which is Zen 2 based, support even makes it to the 300 series since they depend on the more budget oriented B series due to the lack of display ports on most X series boards. We got shafted and it seems the only reprieve may be if a class action lawsuit is filed...

Same. For the first time in ages AMD actually has a decent processor in Zen 2 that it shouldn't become an issue for years, especially since 4K and ray tracing are going to bog GPUs down for years to come, and since I'm limited to PCIe 3.0 x8 thanks to X370 limitations of a second populated PCIe x16 slot, upgrading my GPU is pretty much out of the question since the 2070 Super is about at the edge of its bandwidth limitations...

I think anyone who has used only AMD processors for the last 10-15 years knows the feeling, and in retrospect really does eliminate the "AMD is a better value" view that even I had during that time. Looking back over that time:

That's a lot of processors, and a lot of money I've spent with AMD over the last 15 years, 7 not counting the two bad decisions I made and returned. Looking back you could have bought an i7-2700K in 2011 and realistically just now look at upgrading, Sandy Bridge was just that good and with AMD not any competition, and we know in the last decade Intel had been content to slightly tweak and roll in the piles of cash.

I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people still on Intel 4000-6000 series, if not even 2000 series, because the improvements were so minor in comparison. If you go by Passmark single thread, which is less relevant in 2020 because more programs are finally starting to take advantage of multiple cores and the scaling factor is much greater than it used to be, but many games are still dependent upon one or two cores and IPC.

According to the latest report/rumor, AMD is delaying Zen 3 until 2021 in order to use TSMC's 5nm node. This also has the effect of them maneuvering out of being obligated to support any Socket AM4 board they don't wish to since it's after 2020.

Matisse+ shouldn't be an issue since they're just existing revised Zen 2 processors, Renoir, however, will be interesting since they won't "work" on most X370 boards since they lack display outputs, and B350 boards may not have the BIOS capacity...

At work, my company purchased an X570/Ryzen 3900x/Nvidia GTX 2060 Super workstation for me. I've never been able to get the GTX 2060 working reliably with it on Linux and had to purchase a GT1030 card in the meantime. It looks like some incompatibility with X570. You can read the saga here: Random Xid 61 and Xorg lock-up - Linux - NVIDIA Developer Forums . A lot of people have been reporting this. Most fixed it by going back to a Pascal based Nvidia card or replacing their motherboard with a B450 or X470. Ultimately, it's probably a software issue since I don't think Windows people have been reporting these kinds of issues.

I have seen widespread problems with some distributions of Linux on Ryzen. I only have a GTX 1060 available but I only used Linux server which is a console UI only and that does not use a GUI so integrated is fine.

I wouldn't doubt some of the OEMs would try to take the BIOS provided to them for the X470 boards and attempt to engineer it for their X370 models, at least the high end ones. It would improve their standing in the motherboard market hierarchy, though at only four manufacturers it's not like there's much choice to begin with. Even then it's going to be questionable as to if you should actually use it given AMD's lack of support...