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chiefgrooveguru on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5117896
Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:23:40 +0000chiefgrooveguru5117896@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>For those worried about forks... you'll fit a 26" wheel in a 650b fork no problem... if they ever do stop making 26" forks.</blockquote></p>
<p>My next fork will be a 650b even if I'm on 26" wheels - proper mud clearance for big tyres!
</p>kelvin on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5117777
Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:35:29 +0000kelvin5117777@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>For those worried about forks... you'll fit a 26" wheel in a 650b fork no problem... if they ever do stop making 26" forks.
</p>Northwind on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5116552
Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:37:03 +0000Northwind5116552@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote> mildred - Member</p>
<p>Nico will tell you whatever the folk who provide his free bikes tell him to tell you.</blockquote></p>
<p>I doubt that- considering that he's variously championed developments that they've never made, criticised bikes they do, declared their production frames to be too stiff and lacking in grip, etc. Lapierre cherrypick his opinions for the ones that match what they want to sell though.
</p>Bregante on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5114918
Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:32:21 +0000Bregante5114918@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>So a little bird tells me that the spicy will be available in 27.5 and 26, with the zesty being available in 29 and 26. What make the hive of this?</blockquote></p>
<p>Arsed
</p>ChunkyMTB on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5114916
Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:30:59 +0000ChunkyMTB5114916@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>meltdown
</p>tomhoward on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5114906
Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:19:35 +0000tomhoward5114906@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>So a little bird tells me that the spicy will be available in 27.5 and 26, with the zesty being available in 29 and 26. What make the hive of this?
</p>b45her on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5113941
Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:08:15 +0000b45her5113941@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>this fellow springs to mind.</p>
<p>[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsiuxim8vsM[/video]
</p>mildred on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5113906
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:19:34 +0000mildred5113906@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Nico will tell you whatever the folk who provide his free bikes tell him to tell you.</p>
<p>The size of yer wheel means nothing.
</p>mikewsmith on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5113876
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:52:03 +0000mikewsmith5113876@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>From this<br />
<blockquote>Apparently the new bike is one second faster over a 2min 50sec run. Which I work out as around 0.35%.</blockquote><br />
to<br />
<blockquote>This is not 'a second or two'. 0.35% is around 60 yards over 10 miles, that's a pretty conclusive win.</blockquote><br />
<img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Du5IXGxnlb0/SN0ze-PtQyI/AAAAAAAAALk/dGT7_vQ6gqM/s320-R/YouCannotExtrapolateFromAPoint"><br />
<img src="http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/extrapolation.png">
</p>milkyman on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112800
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:48:35 +0000milkyman5112800@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>i bet the frame still cracks on it
</p>Northwind on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112794
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:46:09 +0000Northwind5112794@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>DoctorRad - Member</p>
<p>This is not 'a second or two'</blockquote></p>
<p>It is, though.
</p>discoduck on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112750
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:29:40 +0000discoduck5112750@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Oh as little as that <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_redface.gif" title=":oops:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>
<p>ah well, my new Nomad's due in the next few weeks <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_mrgreen.gif" title=":mrgreen:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> 26" to boot, I'm not convinced by the new hype, obviously........
</p>DoctorRad on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112694
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:11:48 +0000DoctorRad5112694@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>What happens in another few years when a second or two is gleened from another "new thing" ? That could be say a 3 second advantage over winning or losing, one things for sure if the riders train as they do throughout the winter for the start of the race season and are putting in their all I for one would want to see them pushing the boundaries even if it was a second !</blockquote></p>
<p>This is not 'a second or two'. 0.35% is around 60 yards over 10 miles, that's a pretty conclusive win.
</p>ransos on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112649
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:55:35 +0000ransos5112649@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>What would you like them to do? Sit on these marginal improvements because they don't think people will really notice?</blockquote></p>
<p>What improvement? 1 second is well within the margin of error. This is Emperor's new clothes.
</p>mr plow on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112623
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:45:46 +0000mr plow5112623@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>It would be silly to think you can police change or demand but it does still cause a bit of sand in my fanny (american for bottom, not a rude word).</p>
<p>I built an enduro in 2007. Since building it and riding it tons it has gone through one set of cogs, one shifter and a chainstay which has been replaced (tyres and tubes as well). I still think 650 is overhyped marketing for little change but can understand why manufacturers would do it. I would if I were them and they sold. </p>
<p>It is a shame that we lower economies of scale on new 26" parts with a new standard.
</p>BadlyWiredDog on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112604
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:40:18 +0000BadlyWiredDog5112604@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote> In the cold light of day it's ridiculous but it's easy to see why it's so appealing.</blockquote></p>
<p>Money you mean? I don't see why it's appealing. I find myself thinking that anyone who buys into it is simply gullible and, dare I say it, stupid. People who bought into 29er were at least choosing something that clearly was different in performance terms, but the whole 650B thing is like something dreamt up by the Onion.</p>
<p>It's mental and all about selling more stuff when as a world, we should be trying to produce less things and preserve resources not churn out more and more and more things.
</p>Northwind on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112577
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:32:52 +0000Northwind5112577@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>honourablegeorge - Member</p>
<p>The demand is real - Americans are going 650 crazy</blockquote></p>
<p>Yep. No question IMO that there's a real demand. Not an informed demand, mind, but still.</p>
<p>It's basically a marketing dream... It's a change, requiring new hardware, which is Exciting! New things! But it's basically the smallest possible change that could require it, which stops it from being Scary, like 29ers. In the cold light of day it's ridiculous but it's easy to see why it's so appealing. </p>
<p>All my bikes are from people who made the bike they want to, and made it the best they could. I wonder how true that is of the 650b bandwagoneers. Santa Cruz broke the rules by admitting they were making bikes purely to sell to an uninformed demand, rather than because they're better bikes. Nobody else dares admit that but does anyone believe they're alone?
</p>honourablegeorge on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112545
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:21:22 +0000honourablegeorge5112545@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>I wasn't talking about Turner or SC, someone else was.
</p>wrecker on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112526
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:10:38 +0000wrecker5112526@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>Heckler<br />
orange 5<br />
Turner 5 spot</blockquote></p>
<p><blockquote> and this time the small manufacturers are getting on board because a lot of them lost sales by not being ready for the 29er explosion in XC bikes. </blockquote></p>
<p>Eh? The Sultan has been around for a loooong time, and the tallboy was hardly behind the curve either.
</p>Junkyard on "650b Spicy - conclusively faster says Nico"http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/650b-spicy-conclusively-faster-says-nico/page/3#post-5112504
Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:02:51 +0000Junkyard5112504@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>you have to accept that 650b delivers some of the same benefit. </blockquote><br />
Ok then you have to accept that a 26.25 has some of the benefits of a 650 b etc</p>
<p>I dont actually given the thread tells us it may be one second for a pro rider over 3 minutes with poor [experimental]control and we assume times crossing over each other.</p>
<p>So no I dont<br />
<blockquote>The demand is real </blockquote></p>
<p>well it will be if it is all you sell
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