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Either Gen Fudo was originally a Shadow Angel who was projecting a form like that since Genesis or Zen is Touma. I don't think he could be Sirius, because he wouldn't be alive after that long, would he?

Also, Fudo said to Mykage he brought the Red String of Fate over (something Fudo seemly dislikes to deal with. Well, guess if he's Touma, he wouldn't be all supportive of fateful lovers again?). So yeah, I'm betting Kagura is fated to end up with someone, otherwise why made that remark at all?

The wings of Sun =/= Apollo.

Spoiler for Hum:

Sirius and Touma have no reason to be getting reincarnated unless they never died but, I'm pretty sure, they did and did so in a life-satisfying way which would keep them from needing a reincarnation ala Apollo and Sylvie who were left separated from each other in the end. Sirius is also only 12,000 years old if this story occurs (as it seems) when I think it does, so he couldn't be 24,000 years old since he wouldn't have existed.

If any thing I think they are incredibly old Shadow Angels that are the from the original story of Celianne and Apollonius.

The only person seemingly *strung* to Kagura is Mikono (her power can be taken as a literal string), Fudo seems pretty adamant about keeping them apart. Which leads me to believe that those two are the key to the Wings of the Sun that Mykage is after, and as such Fudo keeps them apart for obvious reasons. There's just no development anywhere else for Kagura to suddenly find *paperbag girl* to be his new Sylphie.

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Originally Posted by mayumi

Kagura's element described by zen was something like darkness that swallows light if you reverse that it is light born from darkness basically the light of genesis, the big bang. Power of apollonius/apollo. Now if kagura can apply the reverse power on himself then he would be apollo.

Both Kagura and Mikono's descriptions from Fudo (the latter being donut inspired) are about emptiness in some sense or another.

Am I the only one with that peculiar gut feeling that Mikono's going to fly off with Kagura to repopulate Altair?

Since we almost have actual confirmation that Kagura is Apollo, it wouldn't seem like a long for Kagura to perform a Heel Face Turn (swap sides) at the last few episode to activate Solar Aquarion and give Mykage a sound beating.

Kawamouri's love triangles tend to be pretty balanced, so it feels pretty damn weird for things to go this smoothly for our supposed 'main couple'.

That and I'm shipping for Zessica... The show's making me sympathize with her allot

i think this goes back to the 3 arrows episode in first series where silvia was the thread but the three vectors flew out of the center but now it looks like mikono is still the thread connecting the 3 vectors however the 3 vectors are being dragged toward the center instead of away maybe because of kagura's reverse element. like say amata will always fly to mikono and zessica would also follow amata, the third element might be caynenne.

that would mean destruction again but not in big bang sense but universe collapsing by everything being dragged back to nothingness.

i think this goes back to the 3 arrows episode in first series where silvia was the thread but the three vectors flew out of the center but now it looks like mikono is still the thread connecting the 3 vectors however the 3 vectors are being dragged toward the center instead of away maybe because of kagura's reverse element.
that would mean destruction again but not in big bang sense but universe collapsing by everything being dragged back to nothingness.

I agree with you, I am simply saying that the two have a large overlap even in Fudo's description. Mikono is the empty hole from which boundless possibilities can come, and Kagura is the force that can return the boundless possibilities to the empty hole. Fairly similar to the powers of Sousei and/or the symbolism of the relationship between Celianne/Apollonius: the possibility to repair a dying universe or to return it to nothing.

its understandable why zen does not kagura-mikono reunion or their dark hole wedding which takes place in graveyard where everyone is already dead. this makes we wonder what zessica and amata are supposed to do. at least amata still has sense of purpose with mikono but zessica has nothing going for her.

The only people who know about where the real wings of the sun was buried are Silvia, Sirius, Touma and Apollo. Which makes me wonder, I don't think Fudo is the Gen Fudo from the past. This guy, he's probably either the real Touma, or Sirius.

Spoiler for Gen Fudo:

Gen Fudo should know it's location as well, seeing as he, like Silvia, was floating there in astral form watching Apollo, Sirius, and Touma clash at the very end.

Am I the only one with that peculiar gut feeling that Mikono's going to fly off with Kagura to repopulate Altair?

Since we almost have actual confirmation that Kagura is Apollo, it wouldn't seem like a long for Kagura to perform a Heel Face Turn (swap sides) at the last few episode to activate Solar Aquarion and give Mykage a sound beating.

Kawamouri's love triangles tend to be pretty balanced, so it feels pretty damn weird for things to go this smoothly for our supposed 'main couple'.

That and I'm shipping for Zessica... The show's making me sympathize with her allot

AHEM.

Well there is the theory that Amata and Kagura are the same being, just separated. Not in the way of Celiane splitting her soul into Silvia and Sirius but more likely of a forced way probably thanks to Mikage. After watching episode 13 this is only enforced. Mikono originally saw Kagura's face overlap Amata's but now she's sees Amata's face overlap Kagura's. She's seeing a link between the 2 of them. I'm thinking in the end Kagura is gonna be dying but she uses her connection ability to restore the 2 of them back to 1 true being.

Am I the only one with that peculiar gut feeling that Mikono's going to fly off with Kagura to repopulate Altair?

Since we almost have actual confirmation that Kagura is Apollo, it wouldn't seem like a long for Kagura to perform a Heel Face Turn (swap sides) at the last few episode to activate Solar Aquarion and give Mykage a sound beating.

Kawamouri's love triangles tend to be pretty balanced, so it feels pretty damn weird for things to go this smoothly for our supposed 'main couple'.

That and I'm shipping for Zessica... The show's making me sympathize with her allot

AHEM.

I would love it.

I find MikonoxAmata difficult to root for knowing it makes Zessica miserable.

True, but judging from Mykage's words this episode, I have some doubt to it now. For all we know, Touma could be reincarnated for the sole purpose of protecting
those precious Solar Wings.

But Touma has no reason to "wear" Fudo's appearance.

Spoiler for Touma, Sirius and Fudou:

I think Sirius pretty much would do it, because he was a bit of a troll and even if he was a serious dude, he liked to do childish stuff deep inside. Besides, Zen is doing a lot of poetic metaphors, which was something Sirius did and it's as flamboyant as Sirius was. And he was less than half of a shadow angel, but still, he was an hybrid. So... I wouldn't drop the idea of Sirius paying homage to Gen with his Zen. And, oh, well, It would be awesome if he's Sirius in the end and he appears as himself with Sugita's voice. Sugita versus Nakamura: priceless.

Even so, I honestly don't think that he is Sirius, because Sirius it's probably Shrade. And I know he should be out of this reincarnation stuff because he settled his issues as Celiane dark part, but He could be here again because as far as Celiane, Apollonius and maybe Scorpius are still being reborn, he's there to fix things and trying to put an end to the cycle (making a happy end to both lovers and third wheel friend).

Maybe Fudo was allways a shadow angel that was throw into the story because he was a friend of Apollonius or something like that. A deneb to Celiane and Apollonius' Altair and Vega. Or he is Aquarion itself, which was something I thought while watching the OS (because it's a trope that would fit in Genesis). Or maybe he's Alisia's husband, or Aquarion's original engineer. I don't know, but maybe this time we finally get an answer.

The only person seemingly *strung* to Kagura is Mikono (her power can be taken as a literal string), Fudo seems pretty adamant about keeping them apart. Which leads me to believe that those two are the key to the Wings of the Sun that Mykage is after, and as such Fudo keeps them apart for obvious reasons. There's just no development anywhere else for Kagura to suddenly find *paperbag girl* to be his new Sylphie.

I don't think Gen is Zen because Gen was just as 'ugly' looking. Mykage seems to indicate this form is brand new.

Whether Amata is the Solar Wings or maybe the Fudo 'hid' the Solar Wings in him (what better place since he could be the result of the love of 24.000 years old as descendant of Alisia?), this doesn't make him a fated lover. It's just the wings/power...

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I don't think Gen is Zen because Gen was just as 'ugly' looking. Mykage seems to indicate this form is brand new.

Whether Amata is the Solar Wings or maybe the Fudo 'hid' the Solar Wings in him (what better place since he could be the result of the love of 24.000 years old as descendant of Alisia?), this doesn't make him a fated lover. It's just the wings/power...

I think that one of the main themes of this anime is to over come fate. Solar wings can't be Amata. Otherwise, we'd have Amata having flashbacks/ memories of Apollonius.

When Apollo piloted Aquarion, he was able to hear Apollonius, so if that were the case, Amata would at least have heard some kind of Apollonius voice or something like that, a memory of anything but he didn't, well at least not yet.

Also, I kind of figured out why love is forbidden.

Fudo is trying to protect the students this way, because if he falls in love he knows Mykage will come after them.

Aquarion doesn't go beserk because of love, it's Mykage doing all the work there.

Makes me wonder when Fudou will break out the Assault Aquarions. So we'll have triple or quadruple Aquarion action.

As said I think Mykage is Johannes. It makes sense since Fudou is the leader of Deava, Johannes was the leader of the Shadow Angels.

Apollonius, Celiane, and Toma they were just grunts.

While Apollonius and Celiane had led the formation of the nation of Sangrila somebody else obviously led humanity to fight the Shadow Angel's oppression.

Gen/Zen Fudou was one of their Element comrades that was also one of Aquarion's pilots.

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When Apollo piloted Aquarion, he was able to hear Apollonius, so if that were the case, Amata would at least have heard some kind of Apollonius voice or something like that, a memory of anything but he didn't, well at least not yet.

That's because Aquarion is his wings. Wings of the Sun is Aquarion itself.

And Amata having no smell, it might because he's like Sylvia and Sirius, in the sense that they are part Shadow Angel.

Though, I have a feeling that Amata has a deeper connection to Apollonius/Apollo than we think. His past, aside from having revealed to us that he is Alicia's son, is pretty much in the dark for now.

That machine that was making him face his memories or whatever it was, made it go out of control/burn out.

Since in Sousei no Aquarion episode 14-15 was when Apollo looked into his memories of his past, I'm really hoping that we get at least one of the characters remember their past life.

I'm pretty sure someone said that Evol would reveal something about the reincarnations half way through....so maybe episode 14 or 15?

Here's to hoping.

shadow angels have smell kagura always stayed with mykage why he didnt say that he smell like mykage no he was shocked that he have no smell beside it is strange that all he remmbers was he have wings and alicia go to altar i think all his memories are fake

i think the reincarnations are actually pretty clear right now. other than the twist with the mirrors with zessica. she is the only one who is not clear at this point. she could be rena/scorpius/part of reika/toma/part of silvia/tree of life/shushu's other half(she has purple eyes and green hair-fur thing like shushu) etc

i think the reincarnations are actually pretty clear right now. other than the twist with the mirrors with zessica. she is the only one who is not clear at this point. she could be rena/scorpius/part of reika/toma/part of silvia/tree of life/shushu's other half(she has purple eyes and green hair-fur thing like shushu) etc

I wouldn't say it's clear. Particularly for Silvia. It's pushed Mikono but Zessica is showing more and more that she is probably Silvia's reincarnation. Mikono is thought to be but she doesn't have any of the powers or memories of Silvia. We don't even know what it is she feels she needs to apologize to Kagura for. For Apollo, the fact that Kagura keeps using the name Silvie dampens his legitimacy because it means he doesn't really have any true memories and that any of them could be fabricated by Mikage. Amata's solar wings make him a possible Apollo but he doesn't really have much else to go on besides that.