Indeed the D600 seems to be a nice... still camera, but since they already crippled down the 1/8000th shutter speed, Nikon needed to down-grade some basic features that even the most basic amateur DSLR do : aperture control in video mode. So for the moment, the single Nikon cameras offering such a basic feature are the D800(E) and D4.

Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production.

This guy tested the HDMI output, and it unfortunately shows a black box around the frame, cropping several pixels of the video. The D800 on the other side, offers full HD HDMI output :

What is Nikon thinking off ? Are we dumb rabbits ? I am disgusted by such a low-minded marketing politic. Being a long time Nikon shooter willing to upgrade to a nice Full frame camera with proper video down-sampling such as the D600 was a dream to me, and now, they crippled it, again : what a shame !!!

it might seem like an impractical solution at first but why not use zeiss lenses or legacy lenses with filters should one be that serious about using video? their build quality after all will withstand the long term abuses of such accessories like a follow focus cog or whatever its called

Indeed the D600 seems to be a nice... still camera, but since they already crippled down the 1/8000th shutter speed, Nikon needed to down-grade some basic features that even the most basic amateur DSLR do : aperture control in video mode. So for the moment, the single Nikon cameras offering such a basic feature are the D800(E) and D4.

Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production.

This guy tested the HDMI output, and it unfortunately shows a black box around the frame, cropping several pixels of the video. The D800 on the other side, offers full HD HDMI output :

What is Nikon thinking off ? Are we dumb rabbits ? I am disgusted by such a low-minded marketing politic. Being a long time Nikon shooter willing to upgrade to a nice Full frame camera with proper video down-sampling such as the D600 was a dream to me, and now, they crippled it, again : what a shame !!!

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indeed it is, but the amateur Canon, panasonic and Sony DSLR offer proper manual control over aperture and even live histogram, so I guess the Target is not an excuse here from Nikon, especially at a 2K price range...

M Lammerse
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FTH,

I feel some frustation. THe D600 is a digital still camera aimed at the enthiousiatic amateur photographer. I think in relation to what it offers and the target user it is a dream camera.

Indeed the D600 seems to be a nice... still camera, but since they already crippled down the 1/8000th shutter speed, Nikon needed to down-grade some basic features that even the most basic amateur DSLR do : aperture control in video mode. So for the moment, the single Nikon cameras offering such a basic feature are the D800(E) and D4.

Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production.

This guy tested the HDMI output, and it unfortunately shows a black box around the frame, cropping several pixels of the video. The D800 on the other side, offers full HD HDMI output :

What is Nikon thinking off ? Are we dumb rabbits ? I am disgusted by such a low-minded marketing politic. Being a long time Nikon shooter willing to upgrade to a nice Full frame camera with proper video down-sampling such as the D600 was a dream to me, and now, they crippled it, again : what a shame !!!

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While I agree with manual lenses or AF lenses with manual aperture control, it just doesnt make sense to not be able to do so in Live view mode, when selecting video controls in the menu but being able to change aperture for stills in Live view when shutting the "video manual controls off". Besides, some of the sharpest lenses we own are AF-S G lenses, so actually Nikon isnt providing full compatibility for what the brand offers, this is really nasty.

Finally, for video prouctions we often use AF just to set the focus quickly before filming, so manual lenses are not always an option.

yes, setting the aperture whilst in live view mode before hitting the record button.

This is not possible if you switch the "full video control" on in the menu (to be able to match shutter speed manually). If you shut it off, you can do it for stills only, but then you lose the other manual controls for video too. The D800 doesn't suffer from this "glitch" so this is not related to any mechanical issue.

Astrophotographer 10
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Really? You must specialise in video with your DSLR. Perhaps I misunderstand. Are you referring to setting up the aperture before you start shooting a video not whilst it is in progress?

UPDATE 2: Here’s a video of Jeromy Young (the illustrious CEO of Atomos – maker of the Ninja) showing the D600 + Ninja 2 combo working at 100% at Photokina:
https://vimeo.com/49862540
. Very promising! (Thanks for the links Cheesycam, Herbert & Chris). Looks like I’ve probably just missed something in the setup. I’ll update this post when I know more.

Indeed the D600 seems to be a nice... still camera, but since they already crippled down the 1/8000th shutter speed, Nikon needed to down-grade some basic features that even the most basic amateur DSLR do : aperture control in video mode. So for the moment, the single Nikon cameras offering such a basic feature are the D800(E) and D4.

Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production.

This guy tested the HDMI output, and it unfortunately shows a black box around the frame, cropping several pixels of the video. The D800 on the other side, offers full HD HDMI output :

What is Nikon thinking off ? Are we dumb rabbits ? I am disgusted by such a low-minded marketing politic. Being a long time Nikon shooter willing to upgrade to a nice Full frame camera with proper video down-sampling such as the D600 was a dream to me, and now, they crippled it, again : what a shame !!!

Its not a shame, nikon says, we build still cameras at first, and not videocameras!! If you want video buy a panasonic, i´m photographer, i buy Nikon!
manfred

It would be nice if a few of those talented guys that have been hacking the Lumix GH2 into an amazing video machine would target Nikon for a while. I understand why companies have to cripple or reduce feature sets but one does feel a bit manipulated.

Indeed the D600 seems to be a nice... still camera, but since they already crippled down the 1/8000th shutter speed, Nikon needed to down-grade some basic features that even the most basic amateur DSLR do : aperture control in video mode. So for the moment, the single Nikon cameras offering such a basic feature are the D800(E) and D4.

Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production.

This guy tested the HDMI output, and it unfortunately shows a black box around the frame, cropping several pixels of the video. The D800 on the other side, offers full HD HDMI output :

What is Nikon thinking off ? Are we dumb rabbits ? I am disgusted by such a low-minded marketing politic. Being a long time Nikon shooter willing to upgrade to a nice Full frame camera with proper video down-sampling such as the D600 was a dream to me, and now, they crippled it, again : what a shame !!!

If you feel like your being victimized, don't buy it. Its an option you know. God, I get tired of the P&Ming on these boards. Its that time of the month and I want to vent, so what.
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Richard R. Price

If you have some real arguments go ahead, otherwise I would welcome you to explain us why Nikon even lies in the specs. How would a photographer react if the specifications tell something different then for real ?

Anyways, your argument about not buying it or buying another brand is extremely lame and inappropriate.

Lifer
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If you feel like your being victimized, don't buy it. Its an option you know. God, I get tired of the P&Ming on these boards. Its that time of the month and I want to vent, so what.
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It is a limitation, perhaps driven by the cost of using the D7K technology. Perhaps thats how Nikon kept the price the same as the 6D. Considering the stripped 6d, I will take the aperature "fiasco" with a grain of salt. Their are obvious work arounds. Use a cine lens and pull aperature like the real pros do, or even an older nikon with aperature control. Evidently you shoot enogh video this is a deal breaker, I sympathise and suggest their are other Nikons without this limitation.

Relative to this statement "Moreover, Nikon clearly states that the D600 is capable of offering clean HDMI output, which means clean 1080P output via external recorders that will use uncompressed or low image compression for better post production."

Nikon in the D600 brochure under the section discussing HDMI is an asterisk with the following statement: * When video is output through HDMI interface simultaneously with SD card recording, output image through HDMI interface will be smaller than 1,280 x 720.

I remember a similar thread about HDMI output on D800. There were some settings that had to be made for ideal output. Sorry to be vague but if you search the threads its just after it was released back in Feb/Mar.

If anybody stopped to think about this, then maybe they'd be able to give an example of where aperture pulling has been routinely used in cine.

I've never seen "aperture puller" in the credits. I suppose if you
could
do it, then you might want to do it, but I've never seen it - at least I've not been consciously aware of it. If fact I'd suggest that while focus pulling can be used effectively to shift emphasis with shallow DOF, "aperture pulling" to increase/reduce DOF would just look weird.

I think many of the people concerned about fine details of video performance of these still cameras should take some time out and watch a real movie or two, or even at the low end, the pro wedding video shooter, TV ads for furniture etc.

Same in some ways with lack of direct aperture control in LV mode on the D600. Yes - it would be nice to have it, but you surely don't use LV because it's a fast way to get a shot, so the inconvenience of needing to exit/reenter LV for DOF preview is pretty trivial really.

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