@marko82, there are four bus stops on that side of the road and they do get used, particularly the one in front of Terminal St.; it’s an unpleasant place to get off the bus, and the lack of a sidewalk definitely contributes to this. I can imagine anyone waiting for the bus there or waiting to cross the street after getting off the bus must feel like a sitting duck. Ideally, we would see both a sidewalk and a bikeway, or even an elevated bike/ped. path here.

People already cross the street to get to the bus stops and the addition of a sidewalk will result in even more pedestrian traffic and yet all they are putting there are a couple pedestrian crossing signs? Not even a painted crosswalk or two?

@chrishent, thanks for correcting me, I hadn’t thought of the bus stops. I would still like to see the bike lane stay though – with proper pedestrian crossings where needed.

I also think it is almost criminal that the major intersections don’t have ped-only walk phases (Barnes dance). Especially at 18th street which is one of the most dangerous in the city for car/ped crashes.

If the future sidewalk is basically in the exact same place as the current bike lane, and just as wide, and is not really in much of a “business district” so will probably have few pedestrians, then is there really much of a difference? It will basically be a raised up bike lane, and will be a big improvement for people who are scared to ride on the road in that stretch.

Well, except some of us avoid riding on sidewalks so we don’t inconvenience pedetrians, so there’s a difference. Ideally there would be some sort of street design strategy that the city could sign on to which would make provision for pedestrians and cyclists as well as motorists.

Hopefully, due to the redevelopment at that station square parking lots, through streets parallel to East Carson may be re-connected. Which would be helpful. Again, who knows when, the southside trail is a patchwork of detours and reroutes currently. I’m sure it will all be much better in a decade.

I used to always go on KcKean/Bingham east (and west) bound. Once they bike-laned E. Carson, I switched to that. It’s much smoother (and fewer cement trucks barreling out full speed).
I don’t have an issue with pedestrian accommodation, especially at bus stops. I’m not sure we need the entire Arlington-7th(?) stretch sidewalked, if any of it. But definitely islands for bus people (ideally with a pedestrian-actuated traffic light). And with the bike lane on the inside (possibly unintuitive). It would certainly contribute to traffic calming; that stretch could surely use it.

On the subject of inside bike lanes, Edinburgh (SCO) has a great solution for bus shelters which both protects peds from cars and, by virtue of being right on the curb, would leave room for a bike lane:

This is coincidental, but note that both the bus shelter advert and the truck have stuff to say about about bicycles. On reflection, what would you expect? (And if you care, there’s this.)

All this verbiage, all these plans, to avoid addressing the real problem: Speeding cars. You can’t drive a car through there at 24 mph, either direction, without suddenly getting four close friends breathing down your neck.

It sounds like a car drove off East Waterfront Drive, across the GAP / Steel Valley Trail, and into the Monongahela River on 4/6. The driver was rescued. If the location is what I suspect, this is in Munhall, east of the Waterfront and just east of the big blue Marcegaglia building, where the road & trail make a bend to the right. It’s near the Marcegaglia and Brismet signs. The trail diverges from the road at this spot and the road bends right over the railroad tracks. Drive too fast and you could go into the river.

children of the couple who were killed in Oakland reached a settlement with the city based off of the city admitting that their designed intersection sucked.

“One of the reasons we agreed to settle was because, finally after this accident, the city accepted all of our expert opinions about how dangerous this intersection was, and they totally redid it. My clients feel that they accomplished something where nobody is ever going to get killed or injured again at that intersection.”

WESA radio did a nice little story about Nick Ross, chair of Walk Ride North Side, the bike and pedestrian advocacy committee of the North Side Leadership Conference. They discussed Northside’s bike lanes.

As I recall from when they were first talking about this–I may be wrong–McKnight are interested in extending the trail; it’s the gravel plant next door (Frank Bryan Concrete) and the railroad that are the blockers.

This is right next to the Liberty Bridge. If you google “Terminal Way, Pittsburgh”, that is the road that goes in between the two sides of the building. It is on the stretch where there is no riverfront trail, between Station Square and the Southside. If you are coming from the Southside and cross the train tracks onto that cobblestone road detour, you are right next to it.

Amusingly, Terminal Way is the location where I was gonna place a Tag-o-Rama tag last week, but aborted because certain features I wanted to utilize weren’t available, plus they had a sign up about signing in with the guard, which made it feel “private property-ish”, which is invalid for T-o-R. Nice view from the end of that pier/bridge/whatever tho.

Detour is 2nd to 4th, right? I’ve been there plenty of times but never knew the street names. So they’re going to develop terminal way itself and have access to the river? So maybe it’ll make the detour a tiny bit shorter.

amazon visited 5 sites in Pittsburgh, most of them along existing trails. Would be interesting to see what happens to trails if Amazon picks one for HQ2. (Maybe buncher will re-open the strip trail a century earlier than planned?)