Ashmore was joined by Luke McFarlane (D’avin Jaqobis), on a call with Press last week where the hot topic of discussion was of course that heartbreaking death (spoilers ahead for those who are not yet up to speed on the events of episode 2×09), Johnny’s recent decision to pull away from Dutch (Hannah John-Kamen) and D’avin, and what on earth will go down in the finale, described by MacFarlane as “our biggest episode – with the biggest reveal” of the series to date.

He’s not kidding. Read on for full highlights from our call.

On how lies and secrets have pulled the Killjoys apart this season, and whether the team will face the finale as a unit

Aaron Ashmore: Well, I think that at the heart of the show it’s always going to be about this team. I think that that is, in many ways, what the show is really about. So I don’t think we have to worry too much about these relationships being completely fractured. But I think it also adds some depth to create some tension and drama between these people because it makes sense, right?

In any sort of family or dynamics, things are not always peachy. People have different ways of looking at things and coming at things from different angles and I think that’s what’s happening here. But I think at the end of the day, we care about each other so much that we will make it work. But obviously we also have to deal with the repercussions of all of our actions. And I think that that’s something interesting to see play out.

Luke Macfarlane: Yes. It’s something I’ve always loved about the show. It’s kind of like a family drama actually on some level disguised as a sci-fi show. So we will work it out and make sense of it all, but – and then it will actually ultimately make us stronger, I think.

On how the show — and its world — continues to grow

Luke Macfarlane: Gosh, Aaron, do you want to start this off?

Aaron Ashmore: Yes. I’ve really enjoyed how this show has developed and grown over the past couple of seasons. I think the first season did a really amazing job of setting up this universe and this world and introducing it to us, because it’s incredibly complex and the amount of story and detail that they set up in the first season is amazing. And then the second season just sort of builds on that.

You know, we understand the politics. We understand the dynamics of what’s going on. And so, you can have a little bit more of the drama and you can have a little bit more of an overarching story. And it’s been amazing. It’s an amazing ride.

I love all of these characters. Watching this second season and seeing how all these dynamics play out and how all of the characters – the writers have done such an amazing job of developing all these characters that you like every single one of them, or you hate them. You know what I mean?

They build such strong characters. So I’ve had so much fun watching this whole story develop. And I really do hope that we get to continue to do it because I think that this world is rich and I think there’s a lot more story to tell. So I’ve been very excited about how all of this has played out.

Aaron Ashmore: Well, I mean, yes, I don’t want to say too much about what happens in 209. But I have to say that I didn’t see it coming. I can’t say too much more in that because I think it’s such a specific thing that we’re talking about that it’s hard – it’s really hard to talk about it. (Editor’s Note: this interview was conducted before episode 2×09 aired.)

But, yes, when I was reading it, I just didn’t see it coming. And it was very shocking and I think that it will be very shocking to our audience too and very impactful to the story, obviously. And, yes, it’s shocking. I guess that’s all I can say.

On how Pawter’s death will affect Johnny going forward

Aaron Ashmore: I think that, of course there are big things that happen in the season finale as any show. You know, there are big revelations and new information exposed. And so, definitely; there’s a lot going on.

I can say for John that he is – his past is definitely changed by the events that are happening in 209 and 210 in a major, major way; I think in a very unexpected way. I did not see what was coming for John as we started the season. So I think that, for him, yes, he’s sort of in a completely different space than where he started.

And I’m very curious to see– if we pick up in season three…I can’t even imagine what they’re going to do. So, for me, that’s pretty exciting.

Luke Macfarlane: I think so much of this show has reminded us that it’s about our relationship to this incredibly intriguing woman. You know, one of my favorite lines in the whole show this season was when Sabine was talking with Dutch and she sort of basically says, you hang around these two guys because they feel so much and you’re afraid you don’t feel.

And I don’t know if that’s necessarily a true statement. But I certainly know that she’s surrounds herself with these two guys who are able to go through the spectrum and we see Johnny go into this spectrum this season. We see him going from kind of the caretaker to the lover to the sort of reckless abandoned guy that she knew and I think we see D’avin do the opposite thing. So I think there is something about how she needs us to continue to sort of be those sort of polarities in her life. So I think as much as we have changed, I think it’s kind of all about how Dutch learns to navigate a world with these two guys that are changing.

Aaron Ashmore: Yes. And I think it’s kind of interesting too. Just elaborating on that a little bit, Luke. It’s like – you know, obviously most times on TV or in the world or whatever it’s the women who are more connected to their emotions or more available to those things and I think it’s interesting that they kind of switched that in here too.

It’s like these two men are very in touch with their feelings, especially John. But I think we really see a lot of that in D’avin this year too. And he was such a tough guy and that in the first season and we see him sort of softening and falling into his humor and his softer side with the kids and stuff. So it is really interesting to see that and then see Sabine saying that about Dutch.

And, again, I think, for that stuff it’s – it was Dutch’s worst fear. She’s literally hearing somebody reflect things back to her that she’s so afraid of. And I don’t think she’s not all in touch with her emotions, but she’s afraid of that person that she might be because of what happened to her with Khlyen and all that stuff. And so, yes, that’s very interesting.

I think as far as John, I think he was very even keel in the first season. I think he was the voice of reason. I think, in a lot of ways, he was thinking with his head a lot of the time sort of whereas Dutch and D’avin were a little bit more flying off the handle and reacting to things maybe without thinking about it. And I think that John has sort of switched gears and he’s really acting out of his heart, and the rational mind that he uses a lot to figure out situations? He’s sort of thrown that out of the window. I mean, he’s falling in love and he’s following his heart.

And I don’t think that Pawter’s made him do anything. That’s not the case at all. He’s doing things – his making decisions for himself, but a big part of that is Pawter and his feelings for her.

But I think that by the end of the season, yes, John is in a – he is falling off the deep end, I think, in a lot of ways and probably is where D’avin was last year; completely shaken up, completely off kilter. And I think that’s kind of interesting. We’re switching dynamics for those two characters.

And, hopefully, that will be interesting to see and hopefully people see those connections too because I think that maybe in season three D’av will have to be that really supportive person for John, potentially. So, yes, we’ll see. We’ll see how it all goes.

A last word on the finale

Luke Mcfarlane: Well, I’ll just say it’s our biggest episode by far in the filming. I remember it has the biggest set pieces. It has the most exciting actions and the biggest reveal. So, it’s our biggest episode, I will say that.

Aaron Ashmore: I think the last two are pretty emotional on a couple of different fronts too. So if you’re an emotional person, I’d say maybe get your box tissues ready?

The Season 2 Killjoys finale, titled “How to Kill Friends and Influence People” airs Friday September 2 at 9/8c on Syfy.