Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

Nizzy wrote:Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

For a 2nd round pick.

but look who was drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round of that draft. is there anybody you would want, even in hindsight?

One key thing that I think we're missing here - you can't judge the draft picks based on who other teams got with that pick. If we traded a 1st round pick to say the Coyotes for some player who stinks for us. And the Coyotes picked a kid who ended up being a complete bust. You can't say oh okay I don't mind wasting that 1st round pick because that player ended up being a bust. That player picked would most certainly not have been the same player that we picked in that spot. I see a bunch of posts talking about what other teams did with that pick as if that should determine the trade a winner or loser. That's flawed logic.

BeerAndPeanutsHere wrote:One key thing that I think we're missing here - you can't judge the draft picks based on who other teams got with that pick. If we traded a 1st round pick to say the Coyotes for some player who stinks for us. And the Coyotes picked a kid who ended up being a complete bust. You can't say oh okay I don't mind wasting that 1st round pick because that player ended up being a bust. That player picked would most certainly not have been the same player that we picked in that spot. I see a bunch of posts talking about what other teams did with that pick as if that should determine the trade a winner or loser. That's flawed logic.

Agreed. You just look at the pick as a pick, not at the player that was picked. Now there are certain years that a draft pool is weaker then others so a 1st or 2nd round pick doesn't have as much value...but all in all, you look at the value of the pick at the time of the deal...

However Pouliot will be flipped at the deadline in a package for IGLINA.

so Jordan Staal for:

Sutter, Dumoulin, Iglina

eventually.

Holy crap, that is brutal.

Let's ignore the thoughtless Pouliot hate. You don't evaluate a trade based on who you selected with the draft pick, that's not the trade. We acquired Sutter, Dumoulin and 8th overall for Staal, period. What we did with the draft pick falls under "drafting" not "trading". If the inverse were the case, we'd have to rate the Mike Wilson to Florida for Rhett Warrener and a 5th round pick as one of the biggest steals in recent history. The 5th round pick became Ryan Miller. That doesn't fall under trading, that falls under drafting. Gotta think.

Nizzy wrote:Jordan Leopold, Puck Moving Defenseman on a team that already had Gonchar (all he could do was move the Puck), Goligoski (all he could do was move the Puck), and Letang (all around player that can move the puck just fine). One for every pairing, but we needed another one? Why?

More of what we already had. E.I. Bylsma's garbage system that doesn't win in the playoffs. 6 Puck Moving Defenseman = Bylsma system.

For a 2nd round pick.

I still think if Leopold didn't have his concussion that there's a chance that he'd still be here.

The pick sent for Ekman was aquired from the Canes for Recchi so that's fine.

Right now it's the Michalek trade but I also agree he wanted out. I'm not too upset since it balanced out where the cap hit is gone and he wasn't our own player per se who we had to dump and he has been playing brutal hockey in 2012.

Looking at Canaan's list one thing I find interesting is that each year except 2010 there's been some kind of trade involving actual nhl caliber players that worked out very well the last 4 years; players that they still use or had good use off (Neal, Niskanen, Dupuis, Kunitz, Gill, Guerin). (the 2010 trades didn't really work out: Ponikarovsky, Hamhuis and Leopold but they didn't really give up anything anyways)