I can't be the only one who doesn't attach a price tag to right and wrong. The players and owners are archetypal of the same old struggle. It doesn't matter if its for millions or a dollar ninety five .

And sorry but I have way more faith in the appeal of hockey, in the long run it will be just fine thank you.

ukcanuck wrote:I can't be the only one who doesn't attach a price tag to right and wrong. The players and owners are archetypal of the same old struggle. It doesn't matter if its for millions or a dollar ninety five .

And sorry but I have way more faith in the appeal of hockey, in the long run it will be just fine thank you.

I am sick of which millionaire group will get more of a 3.something billion dollar pie...I just want them to drop the damn puck.They're all incomprehensibly rich and I feel sorry for nobody here except myself! (and maybe the average Joe missing his minimum wage paycheques working parking and concessions...I notice they don't get a voice in all this)

ukcanuck wrote:The players and owners are archetypal of the same old struggle.

No they aren`t...

The `same old struggle` was between wealthy owners and employees struggling to eek out a decent living.

The current struggle is between wealthy owners and a group of players who are quite literally living the dream and then some.

I`m sorry but what type of Ferarri Derek Roy can buy just doesn't fall into the same category as Miners fighting for living wages and safer working conditions.

There in lies the heart of our debate Pots, I see it that way and you don't. I don't care about what they make or how luxurious their lifestyle, thats their life path, I have my own, but I do care about monopolists masquerading as capitalists. It bothers me that money has it own justification and hard work has none. The idea that the players should just shut and play and be happy that they aren't wallmart greeters is just so fucking depressing.

ukcanuck wrote:There in lies the heart of our debate Pots, I see it that way and you don't. I don't care about what they make or how luxurious their lifestyle, thats their life path, I have my own, but I do care about monopolists masquerading as capitalists. It bothers me that money has it own justification and hard work has none. The idea that the players should just shut and play and be happy that they aren't wallmart greeters is just so fucking depressing.

You must be a fucking troll to keep this up.

Fact is that after taxes our combined household income is about $6000.00 - $6500.00 and I can't afford to take a family of 4 to more than maybe one or two games a season. That is fucked up no matter how you slice it.

And btw my family used to have both season tickets and 20 game packs between 1977-1994, so it's not like we have never supported this team in the past. I played the game since I was 6 until just a few years ago so i am as Canadiana and NHL fan as it gets. Sure i don't cough up for season tickets anymore and don't get to many games but if folks like me are getting fed up I can only imgaine how many other fans couldn't give a shit about this lockout.

LOL I meant per month Pot. We do ok but we have also bought a rec property and toys.....our choice for sure but as a family that will be debt free in ten years we still can't afford to watch the NHL live on a regular basis.

ukcanuck wrote:There in lies the heart of our debate Pots, I see it that way and you don't. I don't care about what they make or how luxurious their lifestyle, thats their life path, I have my own, but I do care about monopolists masquerading as capitalists. It bothers me that money has it own justification and hard work has none. The idea that the players should just up shut and play and be happy that they aren't wallmart greeters is just so fucking depressing.

You must be a fucking troll to keep this up.

Fact is that after taxes our combined household income is about $6000.00 - $6500.00 and I can't afford to take a family of 4 to more than maybe one or two games a season. That is fucked up no matter how you slice it.

And btw my family used to have both season tickets and 20 game packs between 1977-1994, so it's not like we have never supported this team in the past. I played the game since I was 6 until just a few years ago so i am as Canadiana and NHL fan as it gets. Sure i don't cough up for season tickets anymore and don't get to many games but if folks like me are getting fed up I can only imgaine how many other fans couldn't give a shit about this lockout.

LOL I meant per month Pot. We do ok but we have also bought a rec property and toys.....our choice for sure but as a family that will be debt free in ten years we still can't afford to watch the NHL live on a regular basis.

Settle down there Blob, no need to get nasty. Its only an opinion, last time I checked this is a thread about the lockout misnamed as it is, which is something that shouldn't be overlooked BTW.

As for your BTW, WTF? where do you get the impression I've denigrated you or your family history as avid hockey fans?

I'm not sure what the point of your statement is? you cant afford to go to games, I cant afford to go to games either, you watch on TV, I watch on TV when I can or live stream in the middle of the night and go two weeks without sleep making excuses at work because the Canucks are in the Finals (what the fuck is a canuck? and Hockey in winter, how do they keep the grass green?)

Is your point that you are an average good fan that cant afford to go to live games and you blame both sides in this dispute because they should just be happy raking in the coin and keep going like nothing is wrong?

I'm not sure what the point of your statement is? you cant afford to go to games, I cant afford to go to games either, you watch on TV, I watch on TV when I can or live stream in the middle of the night and go two weeks without sleep making excuses at work because the Canucks are in the Finals (what the fuck is a canuck? and Hockey in winter, how do they keep the grass green?)

The whole point is simple.. With hockey players salaries escalating over the last 10 years and other costs escalating the owners have to charge an arm and a leg to the fans.. The latest showdown .. Lockout/Strike is either going to control costs and maybe make hockey viable in the fringe markets and markets like New Jersey which has been hit hard by the world wide recession.. I can no longer afford to go to as many games as I used to go to.. Higher ticket prices have made going to watch a game a luxury for the well to do.. I would love to see costs ( yep players salaries are the main ones ) go down just for the very selfish reason I love to watch hockey live..

Settle down there Blob, no need to get nasty. Its only an opinion, last time I checked this is a thread about the lockout misnamed as it is, which is something that shouldn't be overlooked BTW.

As for your BTW, WTF? where do you get the impression I've denigrated you or your family history as avid hockey fans?

I'm not sure what the point of your statement is? you cant afford to go to games, I cant afford to go to games either, you watch on TV, I watch on TV when I can or live stream in the middle of the night and go two weeks without sleep making excuses at work because the Canucks are in the Finals (what the fuck is a canuck? and Hockey in winter, how do they keep the grass green?)

Is your point that you are an average good fan that cant afford to go to live games and you blame both sides in this dispute because they should just be happy raking in the coin and keep going like nothing is wrong?

Dude i am settled down and sorry if you feel I was getting nasty . My point was that a family with an above average take home income of 6K + per month should be able to attend a fucking hockey game more than once or twice a season. If I want to bring the family to go see the Canucks play and sit in decent seats, I am looking at $500- $600 after parking, gas, couple burgers, snacks, beers, hotdog etc. That is ridonkulous to say the least. For that money i could drive to my cabin for a long weekend and my gas would be paid for both ways, all my food and booze, gas for the quads and the boat and probably buy a bag of weed too. Something is wrong with this picture.