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So it looks like I'll be out of a job come January. My boss didn't get a grant she was hoping for and won't be able to pick up my paycheck when my funding runs out at the end of December. So I'm working on exploring career options right now. It's actually kind of nice to finally get the kick in the @ss I needed to start seriously looking for jobs away from academic research instead of just constantly focusing on the next experiment.

I'm finishing up my first postdoc paper right now, and I'll immediately begin writing the second paper. In the meantime I've been trolling the Science Careers website, looking at job postings for industry, and doing informational interviews here at the University trying to come up with a plan to keep myself employed for at least the next year. Husband has his first interview lined up for a tenure track job (at a very prestigious place... I'm very proud, but also befuddled: He didn't get interviews at some real podunk places, but he got an interview someplace really awesome? WTF mate?) and is generally planning on doing a second search this fall. However, he's also looking at industry job postings... I think the job search left him pretty disillusioned with academia.

Articles like this one have left me pretty disillusioned myself. I think Science-with-a-capital-S was just a pretty different tplace when all of the current faculty were coming up through the ranks. There were some reasonable expectations for employment in science when you were done. For current postdocs, it's such a different atmosphere. Not only are there not enough academic jobs to go around, but leaving academia is usually a pretty ego-shattering experience. We spend 10+ years drinking the kool-aid, listening to people we respect as mentors tell us that the best and brightest stay at the bench as academics and if you leave the bench you are a sell-out or a failure.

I guess I'm finally over it. I'm done caring if people want to brand me a "failed scientist" and I'm going to try my best to find a position with a decent paycheck and some appropriate work-life balance. I'll keep you posted. I imagine that I'm in for a bumpy ride.

I could have written every single word of your post (right down to the husband (and as a result, me) disillusioned by the academic tenure track job search... I still waiver daily, but need to get my butt in gear and find something ASAP. If it's any consolation, all the people I know who found industry jobs are much happier than they were in academia, and not a single one feels like a failure or a sell out or has regrets. Just the opposite. That helps me and gives me hope I'll get there too! Best of luck

I work for BigPharma, and sometimes it's tedious and dull, and frustrating when it's profits that make decisions and not science. But there are also interesting days when you get a cool challenge to work on, or have a breakthrough that means great things for the company and for patients. And they take good care of us too. It's nice to have stability. I don't feel like a sell out because I know what I do still helps people. I have never regretted my choice. I hope you find what you're looking for; keep us posted!

I don't think you are a failure - how can you be a failed scientist if you find a job that lets you do science? I think we are embalmed in this idiotic ideal that success means a tenure track position. More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that professors are really just overworked, glorified high school teachers who get the occasional opportunity to do research.

I have now talked with 8 different industry scientists (all who left from postdocs) and none seem disillusioned or unhappy that they left academia. I would recommend that you do an informational interview with scientists within industry to get a sense of what goes on. It's really eye-opening.

"We spend 10+ years drinking the kool-aid, listening to people we respect as mentors tell us that the best and brightest stay at the bench as academics and if you leave the bench you are a sell-out or a failure."

You are SO right on there, Sciencemama. As you said of others, it's why *I* felt like such a crushed failure when I lost my postdoc three years ago.

But you know that you're not a failure; we here all know it; heck, how can anyone with half-a-brain think it? Kick butt on your job search and interviews, Sciencemama. You have the right attitude.

I returned to academia (well, pseudo-academia), but I vow never to define myself by the old academic standard of success again.

It's hard, I know, to shift professional focus - whether that means changing labs or leaving academic research for industry. My transition isn't the best example since I pretty much left academia and research all at once for a management position, but I do like the feeling of stability and my colleagues, in general, are amazing.

It's not been the easiest hiring climate for, what, 2 years now? But I know we're continuing to hire people and I'll hope very hard that you find something that makes you and your family happy.

I understand, and you have all my sympathies. For me, I think it *helped* having a very bad grad school experience- it lessened the pain of leaving- but yes, it is very much a poisoned Kool-Aid experience.

Coming a little late to the discussion, but I just want to say that I am very sympathetic to your feeling about leaving academia. I feel the same way - just wrote a blog post about it last night. Although I feel really certain now that I need to get out, I am slow to make the move and even slower to "fess up" to any of my mentors and colleagues in academia. I can't shake that feeling that I am letting people down, but reading your post and all of these comments makes me feel that we are very much not alone!

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