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Monday, April 30, 2012

Clintons for Obama......

Obama and the Clintons are banding together....you must have heard Clinton's new ad for Obama recently. Suddenly, the hard feelings are gone and they're UNITED BIG TIME. Here's a bit from the linked article:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Once a tense rivalry, the relationship between President Barack Obama and Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton has evolved into a genuine political and policy partnership. Both sides have a strong incentive in making the alliance work, especially in an election year.

For Obama, Bill Clinton is a fundraising juggernaut, a powerful reminder to voters that a Democrat ran the White House the last time the economy was thriving. For the spotlight-loving former president, stronger ties with the White House and campaign headquarters mean he gets a hand in shaping the future of the party he led for nearly a decade.

Obama's re-election campaign has put Bill Clinton on notice that he will be used as a top surrogate, further evidence of how far the two camps have come since the bitter days of the 2008 Democratic primary between Obama and Hillary Clinton, now his secretary of state.

Here's the most important bit:

"It makes absolutely clear that, to the extent that there were different wings of the Democratic party, there is now one wing of the Democratic party," said Chris Lehane, a Clinton backer. "And it's the president's party."

Yup.........meanwhile, Conservatives are suggesting Gary Johnson or some guy from The Constitution Party named Virgil Goode should run and really good Conservatives will write their names in or something?

Republicans think, Republicans examine, Republicans weigh....and then they eat their young. Even in a year when they KNOW their vote will put Obama back in the White House and further solidify America's slide. Even when they know that the Supreme Court's in peril.....They even think America deserves that! Democrats will not criticize each other in public, they come together.......winning is everything to them.

It needs to be that for us, too. Particularly this year. I don't really want another "I'm voting my conscience and you aren't" conversation here, please..I think there's not much more that can be said here about that, we GET IT...please..........What I am curious about is this:

Is this unholy alliance between the Clintons who seemed to despise the Obamas in 2008 (and the feeling was mutual) all about Hillary in 2016? Or just Democrat ideology and that it MUST come out ahead no matter who's in charge? And how effective do you think Bill Clinton's campaigning for his new best friend will be?

It's probably a move to keep Biden the boob on the shelf. I'm wondering if he's not going to get dumped at the convention ( gracefully of course ) That would be the best indicator of how Obama thinks he's doing, but it's already telling that they're bringing Slick Willie into the game.

Political cynicism like this is what's destroying this country, NOT people who vote their conscience.

People SHOULD vote FOR whomever they think will do the best job for the country and NOT whatever fourth rate HACK that one of the major party's puts up (and I won't mention Mitt Romney's name.... Ooooops!)

The answer is to REFUTE the cynicism of the Democrats, NOT to embrace it.

Yes, that may cause us to lose some elections. Yes that might cause them to nominate even MORE left wing extremists like Obama.

But do you really think that Democrats seeing their country run into the ground will continue to cynically support whatever third rate HACK that THEIR party puts up? I doubt it. Unless they learn (correctly) that the Republicans are JUST as cynical...

Republicans think, Republicans examine, Republicans weigh....and then they eat their young. Even in a year when they KNOW their vote will put Obama back in the White House and further solidify America's slide. Even when they know that the Supreme Court's in peril.....They even think America deserves that!

Something to take PRIDE in, NOT lament. Republicans should stand FOR what they believe in, NOT practice the rank cynicism of the Democrats. Else, what is our country LEFt with? Ever more cynically poor choices in November?

Bill Clinton represents the "moderate" pro-business capital-liberalism wing of the party, Barrack Obama, the extreme Left social progressive wing. 80% of Democrats are in the "Clinton" camp. Driving wedges (social & economic) between the two camps is something that Republicans should concentrate upon doing. In many ways, they are the inverted mirror image of the Republicans.

Now Barack saved the Clinton camp's economic bacon in 2008, but in 2012, Obama is likely to move MUCH farther LEFT. To the extent that Obama promises to use the government to enrich THAT camp over the next four years, Clintonites will support him. But THAT is becoming an increasing smaller and smaller circle of elites. Their prospects are MUCH better served in supporting Romney.

But 80% of the Clinton 80% are NOT wealthy businessmen. THEY are not political "cynics". These are the salt-of-the-earth "Reagan Democrats". And THEY will vote their interests and consciences.

There they go,the newest national disgraced president is teaming up with the absolute worst president this Country has ever had to deal with and we are somehow suppose to be threatened? Dumb,dumber!The dog-eater is about as cool as my eighty-year old maiden aunt. Come to think of it, she's even a lot cooler.

My first thought was that the "one party" aspect of an Obama/Clinton alliance is likely to drive thinking Democrats into the Republican camp for the up-coming election. But then I realized, “There are no thinking Democrats.” Add to this Thersites’ careful analysis, I’m back to square one: zero confidence in the devotion of the average voter to American values.

Nice try. SCOTUS appointments, I should submit, are for LIFE. That means those jurists appointed by Obaka in his second term -- and there will up to THREE -- will be making decisions for the next THIRTY YEARS.

Z is right, and so is BZ! I think there's more to lose besides the SCOTUS, if we have four more years of the far left.

It's called a takeover of international law. The Clintons IMO, want to be a big part of a global governance, so they have to get in line with those who support that too.

Yes, I have no doubt there are Rinos who support this too, but they have to contend with real conservatives in the GOP.

We have to take them on individually, when they're running for re-election, as we did in 2010.

Mitt Romney is not another Obama, and he has to answer to us, his base, not Obama's base!

If Obama wins a second term do you pouters really think what is done then, when he has free reign, the results of eight years of a far left takeover can be overturned in one election of a conservative to your liking?

Think again! There will be more Americans on the government dole, who will like getting a free lunch.

Our industries will have to answer to more strict, crazy regulations which are business killers, and we will be put in the global stew pot because our struggling prosperity will be redistributed even more worldwide.

Obama told Medvedev he'll be able to be more flexible, didn't he? Pay attention. He wasn't kidding.

We are being taken down bit by bit, and if you think it'll be by bits if Obama remains, you're kidding yourselves.

You can talk about cynicism all you want, but I'm not looking forward to looking more like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, or North Korea, are you?

Get your panties out of a wad, Pris. Venezuela, Zimbabwe and North Korea don't have a Republican Congress and/or Conservative Court. Barrack Obama isn't going to go "Stalin" on Mr. Ducky and the American people overnight.

We survived four years of Obama. We can survive eight. All this, a credit to the Founders design.

I find it hillarious that you concern yourself with a "takeover of international law" but ignore the fact that the finiancial system has long ago surrendered to the international banking oligarchs (King Romney's clan).... who would be completely powerless albeit for the existence of international law.

The founders favoured a petit bourgeois society, not a corporate oligarchical internationalist plutocracy. THAT is the real gift of cynical voring and voters.... Marx was right on that account. Don't believe me? Then explain the TARP bailouts. Then explain why the FED is STILL bailing out Europe.

Us "pouters" have zero faith in the Romney Republicrats. And the sooner we flush the LOT of them out of DC, the better.

- Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79 and not in good health, having served for 18 years;- Antonin Scalia is 76, having served for 25 years;- Anthony Kennedy is 75, having served for 24 years

And yes, they'll have to get through the Senate. Who controls the Senate? What's the history of the GOP standing up for itself?

Obaka knows he's a lame duck if he acquires a second term and he's beholden to no limiting interest. He'll add CapNTax, he'll sell out sovereignty any way possible, he'll push for amnesty for illegals, he'll curtail the First and Second Amendments any way he can.

Nope. Not going to stay home, and I will vote for the GOP candidate.

The Lord, as they say, helps those who help themselves. And God gives us free will. To EVERYone.

I hate it when I get to the party late. Silverfiddle always says the most common sense thing, and vib got the "love the cartoon" in before I even saw it.

Is anyone surprised that the Clintons would prostitute themselves to Obama? Power is power, and Obama has it. He is the only hope for the Democrat Party, even with his miserable record. The Dems are used to this situation in that no Democrat President in the last fifty years has had a good record.

They Dems handle this crisis like anyother. The craft lies for all occasions, and the press propagates them.

Sorry, Pris, but us "pouters" don't appreciate demeaning labels, either. If you don't like getting them, then perhaps you'll reconsider giving them, in the future.

Obama ran amock for two years before the Republicans in Congress were able to throw up a road block... at least as far as THEIR economic interests were concerned.

If one thing can depended upon, its' that even thieves don't appreciate being robbed... its' the only "moral" concern we can depend upon Republicans to defend.

You'll have to admit, the past two years of Obama haven't been nearly as bad as the first two. But you'll ALSO have to admit that they've gotten no BETTER.

I admit, that things under Romney will likely be slightly better in the short term. But in the LONG term, it'll get WORSE under BOTH. But then the LONG term is too far away to worry about, eh, Pris?

Romney's about to grant the corporate world the biggest tax break in history. The Forbes 500 will hit heights never before contemplated. And another million small and independent businesses across America will fold up shop and hold "Going Out of Business" sales.

Josh Marshall (always look to the left for concise insight) gets it. Look forward to a real crap fest.

"Contemporary American campaigns are much more meta-battles over power, masculinity and dominance, what I once called “bitch-slap politics.” Not pretty perhaps but you’ll never understand campaigns without understanding things through this prism. And that’s very much what’s happening with the Obama campaign’s latest fusillade against Mitt Romney. This isn’t simply - maybe not even mainly — about the actual decision to risk so much to kill bin Laden. It’s a dance to - let’s not run away from what it really is - unman Romney in his contest with the president.

People don’t expect Democrats to make such brash moves on national security politics. It’s been a very long time since a Democratic president has been in a position to do it. It’s aforementioned obviousness aside, it’s garnered a collective gasp from the pundit class. It was a smack right across the face of Mitt Romney right as he’s making a reasonably successful reintroduction of himself to the American people.

The key is less the attack itself than how Romney responds. In this sort of schoolyard power play, if you attack someone and they’re unwilling or unable to defend themselves they become weak, dominated, pathetic. And the perception among voters is much more important than most of the policy minutiae political types focus on. This is what the Swift Boat attacks were really about. I’ve always doubted that many people actually believed the attacks on John Kerry. That wasn’t the point. It was his inability to defend himself that was devastating politically. It made him an object of ridicule and contempt, demoralizing supporters and inspiring opponents. Bush owned Kerry as a result. This is the position that the Obama team is trying to put Romney in."

I don't worry about what Slick Willy is doing or not doing. Romney will win if he convinces enough people that he has a better plan than Obama. He can do that if he stays on the offensive. Obama(Clinton will try to put him on the defensive. It's a trap that has worked before.

WOW, now I understand youThersites, FJ, etc...NOW I see.You honestly don't think things have become worse and you haven't grasped the future SCOTUS problem or the Healthcare bill's threats, etc..oh.Well...now we know what we're dealing with here, at least! THanks

BOB: Is anyone surprised that the Clintons would prostitute themselves to Obama?"

...and YOU have not yet grasped the DANGERS that Romney represents, the millions of independent small businesses that will now get subsumed into a larger corporate-government conglomerate.

WOW. Tell people to NOT vote their conscience. How do you KNOW that you're doing the WRONG thing, then?

To encourage people to NOT do the RIGHT thing about what they feel would be BEST for the country. How do you square THAT? oh, the alternative might be worse... but for HOW LONG?

Obama elected means four years until redemption. Romney elected just adds gold pavers on the road to Hell. You'll eventually get there, only The coarse corrections needed to avoid it won't be as obvious.

Quick death, death of a thousand cuts, or a round of Libertarian chemo... I choose chemo.

You say that Romney will be held accountable by his "base"....like BUSH was... NOT!

Thersites, "i state my concerns about the candidate...and NO. ONE EVEN TRIES to REFUTE THEM."

You are MUCH smarter than this statement.We don't refute everything you say! DO YOU GET IT????????????? It's just a waste of TIME...

WE ARE REALISTS....We must deal with WHAT WE'RE DEALT WITH, like it or not.I think I can speak for 99% of us here in saying that WE DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE. YOu seem to blame US for that...fine!We have a better understanding, apparently, of how politics works.

Maybe, when we have our country out of such far-left clutches, we can invent the PERFECT CONSERVATIVE WORLD OF GARY JOHNSONS AND VIRGIL GOODES AND YOU WIL BE HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY!

Until then, we MUST GET OBAMA OUT...we must get America BACK. And we have to stop anybody like Elena Kagan, with her record, from getting into the SCOTUS again.

SO, you see, you can blame us for not refuting or you can understand that refuting doesn't help. WE KNOW THE CANDIDATE'S NOT THE BEST CONSERVATIVE AVAILABLE. Do you understand that we do? We've only said it 100 times.

Yes, we know that, and we know Gary Johnson hasn't a ghost of a chance, and we, most of us, understand that America's so bad right now, and will only be so much worse, that we MUST NOT WASTE A VOTE AND JEOPARDIZE AMERICA AGAIN WITH OBAMA.

As it is, fraud's going to be even more rampant than what the Obama people did in 2008...we have to fight hard and waste NOT ONE VOTE.

K....I just decided I needed a change. It's an old profile shot did. I was looking around and saw that there were very little military / service related avatars...so...I decided to follow your lead. I wish everyone showed a head shot of some sort....gives you a better handle on who your "talking" to. But like radio "faces"...some things are better left alone..yea?

those darn voters with actual principles... screwing up the 2013 TARP III bank bailouts ALREADY! Just get on board the Romney Express already! Somebody has to pay off on the outstanding $25 trillion in non-government backed Credit Default Swaps and if not the American taxpayer, then WHO?

All we want is a little CHANGE in exchange for our votes is THAT too much to ask for?

"Thersites was the son of Agrius. he is the only rank and file soldier that Homer gives a graphic depiction of. Thersites was bow legged, lame, and his shoulders caved inward.

His head was shaped like a sugar loaf, coming to a point. Atop his head tufts of hair sprouted up. Homer mentions that he was a vulgar man whose "head was full of obscenities, teeming with rant." Thersites incurred Odysseus wrath when he called Agamemnon greedy and Achilles a coward.

Odysseus struck Thersites upside the head with the royal scepter of Agamemnon.

Later, Achilles struck Thersites upside the head for mocking his sorrow at the death of Penthesilea. No one grieved for Thersites when he spat out teeth and fell to the earth dead.

It seems that people think that Thersites is salvageable and can be argued with.That's a lot of bandwidth wasted on him.Unless there are lurkers that the argument may have shifted from such a sorry position.Hopefully.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away fromextinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must befought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day wewill spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children whatit was once like in the United States where men werefree." -- Ronald Reagan

remember

Andrew Breitbart...American Hero

Mac 'n GeeeZis my food blog...enjoy! Sorry I haven't added to it in a long while.

President Obama has done such a horrible job with the economy and foreign policy that now Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the United States :-)

important reminders:

We are surrounded by IDIOTS...Mr. Z

“Barack Obama's political genius is his ability to say things that will sound good to people who have not followed the issues in any detail —regardless of how obviously fraudulent what he says may be to those who have. Shameless effrontery can be a huge political asset, especially if uninformed voters outnumber those who are informed.” Thomas Sowell.........AMENTolerance is the last virtue of a dying society. (doesn't matter who wrote it, it's true and it's here)

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