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A good body seems to bend all the rules

Originally Posted by uniquemand

Look at that body, lkwdblds: she can do anything she wants.

You have a point there uniquemand. The combination of a good body, some smarts and an ability to speak well can lead one very far in a short period of time. Case in point - Sarah Palin, and Palin answers direct questions to her very directly without sidesteping them and going round and round in circles. In any case, from what I have seen of BWG, both in her little picture and from what she has written on the board, you are right, she can do anything she wants.
lkwdblds

Ah, Veda, of course that area isn't about confidential stuff. That's why it's the religion I believed in! I didn't know the confidential stuff, and didn't believe in it then, and don't believe in it now!

GOOD POSTS

Too many good posts above to comment on, although I agree with all that

ALEX, IKWDBLDS, and MARK BAKER have said in this thread, it being true.

It would certainly seem that Hubbard was the Frog AND Scorpion.

He built the house with good workable tech (mostly) then destroyed it

and others too who gained too much power, upstatness, attention, or

anything else which offended his reactive need to always be in control of

everything. Didn't DM copy that trait well ?

The IRONY of IRONIES is that Hubbard did not have the Wisdom or

Humbleness to allow himself to be even controlled in auditing to get his own

aberrations out of the road so that he could keep his mental and physical

health and finish his work.

The scene of Otto Roos and MSH in the room with LRH and he couldn't

confront the fact of his own Rockslams which Otto wanted to handle in

session to handle an illness LRH was having, seemed to be final curtain to the

possibility of having his case handled, and was the beginning of the end for

the group due to LRH's case continuing the slide into the abyss.

I think LRH's overts were what obviously blinded him to SP's in his

environment, for instance DM. Also it made him very accepting to DM's and

others suggestions of who was an SP, but was not, so readily was fooled into

unloading many good people because of it.

Much more could be said.

The actual route to be free and return all of your true spiritual operating abilities is a total positiveness and the ability to forgive all (you too) for everything done and accept each being as you find them. In granting full beingness to yourself and others you will have ability to stop resisting the negative, which in turn assures that your full beautiful powers and abilities will bear fruit.
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"There is one coward on Earth and that is the coward that dare not know." >W.E.B. DuBois

ALEX Hits The Nail On The Head

Yes, I think his "flaw" could be stated as having such a degree of self confidence that he neglected to follow his own advice.

Casewise, organizationally, and in interacting with others.

That confidence though may be what sustained him in his work, the price the neglect of self and knowledge gained.

I was just reading a second hand account of his final years related by the husband of one of his caretakers, that said he was still taking himself into session in his last years, still c/s ing those around him, still very active, interested and bright.

I think it got bigger than him, and yes his flaws didnt facilitate the factors needed to handle it.

I just posted on this thread, but being a bit tired today my words were not

too concise or quite up to my usual standard of explaining what I wanted

to say.

ALEX did say it much more concisely and well.

Perhaps saying it just another way partially is that LRH had so much theta

power that it would seem that he could do anything, get away with anything,

and generally do as he pleased regardless of future consequences.

In the end, we know where that attitude ended up.

ALEX, could you please post that second-hand account of Ron's later years ?

I and I'm sure others would like to read it. Thank you.

The actual route to be free and return all of your true spiritual operating abilities is a total positiveness and the ability to forgive all (you too) for everything done and accept each being as you find them. In granting full beingness to yourself and others you will have ability to stop resisting the negative, which in turn assures that your full beautiful powers and abilities will bear fruit.
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"There is one coward on Earth and that is the coward that dare not know." >W.E.B. DuBois

"The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it." - Robert A. Heinlein (1973). Time Enough for Love

First, I've never seen a definition of the "religion" of Scientology, even as distinguished from the official organization of the "Church of Scientology," that excludes HCOBs (and I assume you would also exclude HCOPLs).

Second, aren't you throwing out the baby with the bath water? While auditing is certainly discussed in the tapes and books, aren't the explicit instructions, steps, lists, etc. given only in HCOBs? Could you really do any Scientology auditing (i.e., other than Dianetic auditing based on the book Dianetics) without the HCOBs?

Yes actually. There is quite a bit of useful information directly related to "how to audit" in the basic books along with MANY useful auditing processes.