So I have one mindset that loved the guy and believes without him we would have 2 wins this year. I have another mindset that the reason why our O is so horrid is because of Rex. Is he not a well enough rounded head coach? Does he tend to pursuade the GM to draft heavy on defense because that is what he is comfortable with? I guess my question would start with would we be better with someone else and is so who would that be. Looking around the league I don't see a clear answer.

I'm with you on this 100%. I have no clue as to what should happen to Rex. Part of me wants him back. He guarantees a competitive D every season. But the nonsense that has been going on the offensive side of the ball has been...offensive. Part of it has to do with the lack of depth, another part with the lack of talent. With the Jets finally having some cap room and draft picks to play with this coming season, I want them to truly commit to the offense. But that brings forth another question, how long do we as fans keep making up excuses? We have blamed the lack of production by the offense on the OC, the talent, the QB, the injures, wasted money, etc etc. The buck needs to stop somewhere. I think Rex's future heavily depends on what happens the next 4 games against the Raiders, Panthers, Browns, and Dolphins. Jets need to remain competitive in these games for Rex to have a good shot at potentially returning.

If the season keeps going like this, probably not. They'll fire him and bring in a offensive minded HC to try and turn around this pathetic offense.

Or they may figure its a talent thing and keep the coaching staff and try to get offensive talent.

This is 100% a talent issue. Marty can run the O as well as anyone. I guess my point was is Rex hurting us by being such a one sided coach? There are other defensive minded coaches out there who are sucessful but I believe those other coaches are more rounded and have more talent. What amount of liability is Rex?

This is 100% a talent issue. Marty can run the O as well as anyone. I guess my point was is Rex hurting us by being such a one sided coach? There are other defensive minded coaches out there who are sucessful but I believe those other coaches are more rounded and have more talent. What amount of liability is Rex?

i agree with this. Rex has had us a top 10 defense every year and that is with a pitiful offense always giving away points. The offense woes are pure lack of talent. marty is a very good OC buy with a rookie QB a poor oline and a below average WR group what can you expect?

My gripe with Rex is he cannot get this team prepared for BIG games. Too many letdowns IMO.

It seems to me the opposite is true. We beat the Pats in a Playoff game we had no business winning but come out flat against the Steelers. This year we beat the Pats but then get killed by the Bengals. We beat the Saints but then..... It would seem we are ready for the big ones but we let ourselves get comfy after that win.

Thois team is still rebuilding. I dont know what my feelings are with Rex at this point but I dont think he should be judged for Tanny`s screw ups.

Really cant blame Idzik for Geno because we knew going into the draft that there probably weren't any legit top level qb`s but they had to try because sticking with Sanchez wasn't the answer.As bad as Geno has been at times it was a needed and refreshing change.

Most of the defensive draft picks worked out.... though the book is still out on Milliner.He may just need time since his position is one of the harder spots to play.

Jets have exceeded expectations set by the organization and showed critics that we can compete...well defensively. I know this never happens but what are the possibilities of switching Marty and Rex roles as HC and DC. Rex has proven again and again why he should be a def coor., he has no clue what offense is.

Jets have exceeded expectations set by the organization and showed critics that we can compete...well defensively. I know this never happens but what are the possibilities of switching Marty and Rex roles as HC and DC. Rex has proven again and again why he should be a def coor., he has no clue what offense is.

No chance at all... A HC would not accept a demotion on that team to a coordinator role. He may take a DC job elsewhere, but not here. And he would probably get another HC job elsewhere first.

Marty was a terrible HC in Detroit.

If Rex is fired, I would definitely hire a offensive minded HC, not Marty though. My first choice would probably be Jon Gruden, since he is a offensive minded coach and has experience as a HC. I wouldn't mind his brother either, Jay Gruden, hes done a nice job in Cinci as OC.

If we go to the college ranks for a HC, I would be up for David Shaw. He was in the NFL as a coach from 1997-2005, he has a offensive background and has experience as a HC but in college.

No chance at all... A HC would not accept a demotion on that team to a coordinator role. He may take a DC job elsewhere, but not here. And he would probably get another HC job elsewhere first.

Marty was a terrible HC in Detroit.

If Rex is fired, I would definitely hire a offensive minded HC, not Marty though. My first choice would probably be Jon Gruden, since he is a offensive minded coach and has experience as a HC. I wouldn't mind his brother either, Jay Gruden, hes done a nice job in Cinci as OC.

If we go to the college ranks for a HC, I would be up for David Shaw. He was in the NFL as a coach from 1997-2005, he has a offensive background and has experience as a HC but in college.

I think he knows he would be hired pretty quickly as a HC somewhere else. He has not had a team with talent on the Offensive side of the ball yet. In the AFC Championship years he had all but a QB. He could go to a team like the Lions, Cowboys, Falcons or even Panthers. All teams with HCs on the hot seat and with a QB.

I would be silly to argue that point because you are right. My point is he should not be in the drafting and FA process. This should be on the GM And scouting staff. I believe we have the coaching staff in place to win. We need to evaluate how we bring in new talent. The opposite of the Parcells comment about groceries.

I agree that we have the coaching staff in place to win. Let's see what Idzik bring in this offseason.

azjetfan, on 05 December 2013 - 07:36 PM, said:

I would be silly to argue that point because you are right. My point is he should not be in the drafting and FA process. This should be on the GM And scouting staff. I believe we have the coaching staff in place to win. We need to evaluate how we bring in new talent. The opposite of the Parcells comment about groceries.

we gotta watch our $ spent. We drop too much for sanchez (& I LIKE HIM...but not at the price tag) It would be nice if we could be comfortable under the cap for a change (I know its a pipe dream cause people want their $) But dam, why cant we get better talent evals on the draft picks. I see so much wasted & picks traded for maybes. I hate that bellichek did us dirty takin the HC job for less than 24 hours, but that fool does it right (gotta respect his gangster) As much talk as our D has generated...we still have no steady play up front, no play makin LB, wasted corners, & shallow at safety. (& thats our GOOD side of the ball!)

I've been pretty much out of town on the board this year because I have only seen two Jets games (that and the board is really slow anymore and I don't have a lot of new stuff to say), so here is my year ending poll vote and opinion:

Yes, Rex gets fired and deserves to be fired.

This team continues to get less talented all the time and that isn't just a draft issue. Guys who four years ago were considered elite or higher tier (Mangold, Harris, Ferguson) have all dwindled to this-guy's-a-starter status. This isn't just poor investment in new players, it is the coaching staff's inability to develop players. We have three or four players from the past five drafts who are useful to this team (Richardson, Wilkerson, Kerley and Davis). Not every player we are drafting is trash. That is absurd. It isn't just that some teams draft great, it is that they find ways to use guys. The Jets, under Ryan, don't do this.

Another huge issue is the way Ryan handles situations. Sanchez was considered to be risky because he only had a year of experience, but he ended up the starter and was under that pressure from the start. Now Smith, another player with some transitional issues from college to the NFL, is tossed in right away and struggles. Smith has player terribly and outside of some good plays at the start of teh season, he has played worse almost every week. Yet again, this team doesn't/won't trust the backup QB enough to bring him in. Sanchez had all sorts of bizarre "tools" given to him that were basically public humiliations (the stop light bracelet, sliding school from a Yankee, etc) and now Milliner has been repeatedly benched, etc. These aren't ways to train or motivate players. Either Milliner should start or not-it shouldn't be a weekly halftime decision.

Outside of new examples of why Ryan is an awful HC and why he is a great DC, this is the same year we have had for the past two years. Get rid of Ryan, improve player scouting in the organisation and get a plan for the future. If Mangini can get fired in a season where his starting QB is injured the final third of the season and they still go 9-7, then Ryan definitely can go.