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02:08 * mindCrime hates when he forgets to renew his domain name and it expires, and he doesn't realize it until he stops getting email
02:08 < Mithrndir> heh
02:09 < Mithrndir> I just renewed mine, so I'm good until 2008
02:10 < mindCrime> and to make it even worse... mine's a .co.uk, which costs $45.00 / year to renew, and has to be renewed for a minimum of 2 years at a time
02:10 < mindCrime> so there went $90.00 I wasn't planning on spending tonight. :-(
02:11 < mindCrime> and of course register.com had my login screwed up so I couldn't login and renew it online.. I had to call and do it on the phone. To their credit though, I had a live human on the phone in about 3 minutes and it was pretty painless to renew.
02:12 < mindCrime> I do need to move that domain to godaddy though. It's the only one I have with register.com. And that's only because godaddy's online transfer form wouldn't let me put in the .co.uk for some reason. aaggghhhh. Always something.
02:14 < Mithrndir> godaddy might not be able to do .uk
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02:21 < mindCrime> well, they sell .co.uk, so I don't see why they wouldn't be able to accept a transfer of one.
02:22 < mindCrime> I've been meaning to call and ask about it forever, and just keep putting it off.
02:22 < mindCrime> hence we get situations like tonight, since I never login to my register.com account and they had an old email address for me, so I never got any renewal warnings.
02:23 < mindCrime> oh well, it's renewed now, so all's well that ends well I guess. :-)
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11:21 < ispiked> if someone gets there early to the meeting on thurs., can anyone offer help with a wifi card?
11:23 < jbroome> ispiked: what distro?
11:23 < jbroome> what wireless card?
11:23 < ispiked> jbroome: I'm asking on behalf of someone else.
11:23 < john280z> what card/driver chip?
11:23 < ispiked> jbroome: just asking if it'd acceptable.
11:23 < jbroome> ispiked: oh yeah, that shouldn't be a problem at all
11:23 < ispiked> or do you usually wait for install fests for thit stuff?
11:23 < ispiked> ok.
11:24 < john280z> Nivex, you arround?
11:26 < Nivex> just woke up. what's new?
11:27 < john280z> got some answers on initng
11:27 < john280z> you want a tripaste?
11:27 < Nivex> sure
11:28 < tripaste> "john280z" at 192.168.77.7 pasted "initng on Ubuntu Breezy" at http://members.trilug.org/tripaste/218
11:29 < Nivex> interesting stuff
11:30 < john280z> I do know that a lot of boot speedup can be gotten by removing unnedded services
11:30 < Nivex> I've already stripped out all the unneeded svcs on my laptop
11:31 < Nivex> and it's still up near 50sec
11:31 < john280z> right, don't need Raid on laptop!
11:31 < Nivex> ah here we are
11:31 < Nivex> after tuning, 54sec from grub loading to GDM login
11:31 < john280z> its easy to change initng back, just remove the "init=/sbin/initng" from boot message
11:31 < Nivex> plus another 26 sec to get logged in
11:32 < Nivex> as much as I don't like Microsoft's OS offering, XP was able to boot to login prompt in 21 sec and get logged on in another 11
11:33 < john280z> my icewm loads in <2 sec, Gnome takes forever.
11:34 < Nivex> and interestingly, removal of unneccessary services only bought me 3 sec
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12:01 < Nivex> http://www.nivex.net/images/bootchart-laptop.png
12:02 < john280z> I was just about to ask about bootchart!!!
12:05 < john280z> also of note: test PC had Ubuntu Dapper on it and it booted in 1:54 !
12:05 < john280z> not the 2:27 of Breezy
12:10 < jbroome> i forgot i had a dapper iso downloaded. putting it in vmware now
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12:11 < turnpike420> jtower: jbroome jwbernin Nivex JasonF ... and whoever... we're watching NFL on HD at my place this afternoon... Panthers first... Steelers next... come on over
12:17 < jbroome> ooh, might do that
12:17 < jbroome> turnpike420: i know how much you like the Manning boys. :)
12:18 < jwbernin> turnpike420: what time?
12:20 < jbroome> jwbernin: kickoff is 1300
12:21 < jwbernin> erm. unfortunately, I've got too much to do to get there that early...
12:22 < jwbernin> we'll see how fast it gets done, which'll determine if I can show up at some later point.
12:32 < drasch> Nivex: is that your bootchart?
12:32 < Nivex> yep
12:34 < drasch> Nivex: have you done anything to optimize your booth process?
12:34 < drasch> booth/boot
12:34 < jbroome> Nivex: dapper backport?
12:35 < Nivex> nope, just went and got it from the website
12:35 < Nivex> the logger itself is just a shell script
12:35 < Nivex> I then use the renderer on the website
12:40 < turnpike420> jbroome: the Mannings SUCK
12:40 < turnpike420> jwbernin: first game starts at 1
12:41 < Nivex> in looking at that bootchart and comparing it to a Fedora system, I wonder why readahead is started so late in the game
12:42 * turnpike420 goes afk for football watchin!
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13:19 < turnpike420> jtower: jbroome jwbernin Nivex ... whoever... if you have any "Oops" or "goo-gone" could you pleaes bring it with you??? thanks!
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14:49 < tarheelcoxn> okay... funky office network question
14:49 < tarheelcoxn> I have a folder that needs sharing
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15:48 * drasch upgrades linux on the xbox
15:49 < tarheelcoxn> hehe
15:49 < john280z> you finally figure out qiestion?
15:49 < drasch> ?
15:49 < tarheelcoxn> john280z: I figured out that I don't have enough ports
15:50 < tarheelcoxn> so I need an 8-port switch
15:50 < john280z> go 16 or 24
15:50 < tarheelcoxn> actually, five client ports would do
15:50 < john280z> switch or hub?
15:50 < tarheelcoxn> switch
15:50 < Nivex> the problem is a bit more complex. It involves two physical locations.
15:50 < tarheelcoxn> hehe
15:51 < Nivex> I spent about half an hour on the phone with tarheelcoxn helping him out
15:51 < tarheelcoxn> I was trying to avoid explaining the whole thing
15:51 < tarheelcoxn> :P
15:51 < jbroome> opeenvpn!@
15:51 < tarheelcoxn> 'cause my tummy is about to do some 'splainin
15:51 < Nivex> jbroome: the thought had crossed my mind, but this would be way easier if one could simply run a long ethernet cable
15:51 * tarheelcoxn nods
15:52 < tarheelcoxn> right! off I go!
15:52 < jbroome> ahh
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18:18 < iank> Heh. Heh. 23/0.
18:18 * iank chuckles
18:19 < drasch> anyone here use MPD much? i'm looking for a windows client for my wife's laptop
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19:32 < drasch> oh well, i guess she can just use the web client
19:44 < tarheelcoxn> MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM
19:44 < crimsun> which mplayer package are you using, if you didn't compile it yourself?
19:44 < tarheelcoxn> mplayer-k6
19:45 < crimsun> on what cpu?
19:45 < tarheelcoxn> sempron
19:45 < tarheelcoxn> go with 386?
19:45 < crimsun> you can try mplayer-586
19:45 < crimsun> what's your test case?
19:46 < tarheelcoxn> as in, what's the video?
19:48 < crimsun> yes, the media file
19:48 < crimsun> at least what does mplayer parse it as
19:48 < tarheelcoxn> .wmv
19:48 < crimsun> wmv9?
19:48 < tarheelcoxn> err... lemme go look again
19:49 < crimsun> if it's wmv9, it won't play at all unless you have the win32 codec for it
19:49 < tarheelcoxn> VIDEO: [WMV3] 640x480 24bpp 1000.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
19:50 < tarheelcoxn> I should have those codecs
19:50 < crimsun> that looks really suspicious
19:50 * tarheelcoxn nods
19:50 < tarheelcoxn> maybe it's a bad file
19:50 < crimsun> dpkg -l w32codecs|grep ^ii
19:50 < tarheelcoxn> found nothing
19:50 < tarheelcoxn> so I guess I don't
19:51 < crimsun> did you install them manually into /usr/lib/win32/ ?
19:51 < crimsun> (not recommended)
19:51 * tarheelcoxn shakes head
19:51 < tarheelcoxn> as I recall, I found a script in the wiki
19:52 < tarheelcoxn> but I may be mixing memories with another desktop
19:52 < crimsun> wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
19:56 < tarheelcoxn> now it plays perfectly
19:56 < tarheelcoxn> :)
19:56 < tarheelcoxn> thanks
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20:02 < crimsun> np
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20:08 < tarheelcoxn> ugh... I should keep logs of what I've done to what machines around here
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20:08 < tarheelcoxn> or something
20:09 < crimsun> that's what a huge shell history is for
20:11 < crimsun> slick, opensolaris kernel builds on ppc
20:12 < crimsun> http://www.blastware.org/
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20:47 < tarheelcoxn> weird...
20:47 < tarheelcoxn> so now I can watch music videos on mp3.com
20:47 < tarheelcoxn> but!
20:47 < tarheelcoxn> if I switch to a different workspace the player stops
20:48 < tarheelcoxn> I fiddled a bit and noticed that if I grab the bar of the new window that pops up to play...
20:49 < tarheelcoxn> I can push the video off screen
20:49 < tarheelcoxn> and it pauses right when it stops being visible
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20:53 < crimsun> what are you using, mozilla-mplayer?
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21:18 * lovelace notes that neuse is being his usual asshole self on the list
21:19 * bkjones waves
21:20 < lovelace> Evening bkjones
21:20 < Nivex> can we just mailbomb his ass?
21:20 < bkjones> evenin'
21:20 * jwbernin sees it not - what thread?
21:20 < lovelace> Nivex: Feel free to subscribe him to 100,000 or so e-mail lists.
21:21 < Nivex> i mean really, talking when noone wants to hear it is bad enough, but piping up when explicitly pointed at is just rude
21:21 < lovelace> jwbernin: alchemist made a polite request for info to the list and asked neuse to not mention that he doesn't like wifi
21:21 < jwbernin> ahhh. neuse's email just now came through.
21:21 * jwbernin reads
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21:21 < lovelace> Nivex: Or better yet, send him 100,000 copies of "I will not be an ass on the list... I will not be an ass on the list..."
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21:22 < jbroome> my quality of life has increased exponetially since i've started /ignoring those whom i don't want to hear from.
21:22 * lovelace wonders if a rule to send e-mail from him straight to the trash would mess up gmail conversations
21:23 < lovelace> Because, I seriously can't remember the last time he actually contributed to a discussion constructively.
21:23 < jbroome> and badger sums it up nicely
21:23 < Nivex> lovelace: he does it about one in every 20 threads.
21:23 * jwbernin queues up a reply and wonders if he should send it.
21:23 * bkjones stares at screen waiting for article ideas to appear.
21:23 < Nivex> jwbernin: do it, please
21:23 < Nivex> jwbernin: take that f*cker out
21:24 < jtower> someone should moderate his posts from the list
21:24 < lovelace> bkjones: What kind of article are you writing?
21:24 < bkjones> lovelace: linux/unix stuff.
21:24 < crimsun> is gmail scriptable so that you can hook in stuff, i.e., "response from jim deleted" in the thread placeholder
21:24 < lovelace> bkjones: You could write about darwinports. O:-)
21:24 < crimsun> google uses lisp enough, it ought to be feasible
21:25 * lovelace has been getting to know darwinports a bit better lately.
21:25 < bkjones> don't know much about it, honestly.
21:25 < lovelace> crimsun: They do?
21:25 < lovelace> crimsun: citation?
21:25 < lovelace> bkjones: Excellent chance to learn. O:-)
21:25 < crimsun> lovelace: no idea regarding gmail, but I'm reading a pratical lisp book where they mention it in searches
21:25 < crimsun> practical^
21:25 < lovelace> Interesting.
21:25 < jbroome> jtower: i agree
21:26 * jwbernin adds some semi-useful information to make his response semi-leitimate
21:26 < jwbernin> legitimate
21:26 < lovelace> 3 point game (Duke-Wake)
21:26 * lovelace notes that people should be more alarmed that two SC members are talking about moderating someone on the list.
21:27 < lovelace> Even has much as I hate his stuff, the TriLUG list has always been unmoderated.
21:27 < lovelace> And, if you start moderating one person, where do you stop?
21:27 < Nivex> to hell with moderating him... FLAME ON!
21:27 < lovelace> @monologue
21:27 < Tribot> lovelace: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
21:27 < lovelace> Doh! Nivex messed up my monologue. :-P
21:28 < jtower> lovelace: it's a joke. laugh
21:28 < lovelace> Nivex++
21:28 < jwbernin> no, he shouldn't be moderated, he should just be ignored or flamed as personal tastes dictate.
21:28 < YanceySlide> Moderate everyone. Duh.
21:28 < lovelace> jtower: Ok. :-P
21:28 < jbroome> jwbernin: i think alchemis1 was looking specifically for a G card
21:29 < jwbernin> jbroome: yeah, which is why I said "for what it's worth". I had to have something with informational payload in there somewhere. :)
21:29 < jbroome> yeah, i figured you needed some non-inflamitory filler in there
21:29 < jbroome> inflamatory
21:30 < lovelace> crimsun: Some interesting stuff about google over at http://planet.lisp.org/
21:30 < jbroome> i'm so diplomatic and eve-keeled i can't even spell inflamatory. :)
21:31 < jwbernin> jbroome: *cough*BULLSHIT*cough*
21:31 < DreadPirateBob> So I think my keyboard is trying to tell me something.
21:31 < DreadPirateBob> The system has frozen, but my keyboard's caps-lock and scroll lock lights are flashing in what seems to be morse code.
21:31 < YanceySlide> No, he really can't spell.
21:31 < jwbernin> I was referring to the other part of his statement.
21:31 < jwbernin> :)
21:32 < DreadPirateBob> Anyone know morse code and want to come over to read to me a kernel panic?
21:33 < Nivex> my morse is pretty rusty
21:33 < Nivex> make rarousse do it... he's practicing for his next license class :)
21:33 < jbroome> DreadPirateBob: i think it's saying "i need a heard-reboot"
21:33 < DreadPirateBob> Nivex: you need to panic your kernel more often.
21:34 < jbroome> christ. "HARD" reboot
21:34 < DreadPirateBob> jbroome: as long as it's not saying I need a Hurd reboot.
21:34 < Nivex> well, I just typed out a nice humdinger of a message
21:34 < jbroome> SEND IT
21:34 < Nivex> now, do I observe the "ignore him and he'll go away" philosophy
21:34 < jbroome> DreadPirateBob: that's GNU/HURD, TUVM
21:34 < Nivex> or do I flame this fucker back to last year?
21:34 < jbroome> Nivex: we've tried that
21:34 * lovelace directs people to an old message of his
21:35 < jwbernin> Nivex: send
21:35 < jbroome> TYVM
21:35 < jbroome> fucking shit, i can't type.
21:35 < lovelace> Nivex: Go for it!
21:35 < jwbernin> lovelace: I don't think I understand the reference...
21:36 < nforbes> C# RULES
21:36 * nforbes runs for his ilfe
21:36 < nforbes> life even
21:36 < jbroome> .net is teh best
21:36 < nforbes> I want to secks Microsoft
21:36 < jbroome> i think my neighbors' wireless is lagging. that must be why i can't type tonight
21:36 < lovelace> nforbes: Eh, that's that big of a deal. Even freshmeat is .net these days. O:-)
21:37 * Nivex sends the message to "Drafts" to mull it over
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21:37 * jwbernin is so tempted to reply again...
21:37 < lovelace> Nivex: Just send it. You know you want to
21:38 < Nivex> yes, but I'm trying to be the better man.
21:38 < jwbernin> being the better man is overrated.
21:38 < lovelace> Nivex: 'sok. We all know you are. :-P
21:38 < nforbes> On the Internet, whoever isn't DoSed in the end is the winner
21:39 * jwbernin suddenly has a particularly evil idea...
21:39 < jwbernin> who's on the SC list currently?
21:39 * nforbes thinks jwbernin should not start his botnet
21:40 < jwbernin> nah, this is a legal idea.
21:40 < lovelace> jwbernin: jtower jbroome Nivex jtate and hotgrits
21:40 < nforbes> Oh, good
21:40 < jbroome> jwbernin: sc members.
21:40 < jbroome> :P
21:40 < lovelace> jbroome: Ha! Nice one. :-P
21:41 < jwbernin> would that list be the appropriate forum for a complaint regarding behavior of a trilug member having a decidedly negative impact on the group's public image?
21:41 * lovelace wonders if we all drive by neuse's how and point our bluetooth phones at him if that would fry his brain. :-P
21:41 < jbroome> jwbernin: sure
21:41 < lovelace> jwbernin: Yes, it would
21:41 < jtower> jwbernin: action has been taken, i assure you
21:41 < Nivex> lovelace: he has a brain to fry?
21:42 < lovelace> Nivex: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
21:42 < Nivex> lovelace: point.
21:42 * drasch goes to read the archives
21:42 < jwbernin> jtower: good to know, but a little reinforcement never hurts. :)
21:42 < jtower> knock yourself out :)
21:43 < lovelace> Nivex: Or, alternatively, perhaps he could grow a brain that way?
21:43 < jbroome> mutant powers that are only good within 30 ft!
21:43 < lovelace> Unless you chain Rogue to the statue of liberty
21:45 < jbroome> i can think of other places to chain rogue to
21:45 < nforbes> ...
21:46 < jbroome> errr
21:47 -!- crimsun [n=crimsun@216.133.95.98] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
21:50 < jbroome> so, how about that Panthers' game
21:52 < nforbes> It's Football season?
21:52 < nforbes> O_o
21:52 < Nivex> nforbes: not for much longer
21:52 < nforbes> Ah, good
21:57 < jbeimler> glad I looked over here before replying. I'm with badger. jim just got a *plonk* from me as well
21:58 < jbroome> badgers, badgers, badgers, KILLFILE, KILLFILE!
22:01 < jbeimler> ooooooh, glad I didn't delete the thread, I would have missed jtower's personal mail posted to the list
22:01 < iank> jbroome: I had to laugh during the last few minutes of the game..
22:03 < lovelace> jbroome: Hey, thanks for confirmation about gmail trashing e-mails from specific people. Got my filter set up. Now let's see if it gets triggered...
22:04 < jbeimler> smtp forging could be fun :)
22:05 < iank> =D
22:06 * lovelace looks and sees that, yes, my filters do work. Sweet!
22:13 < bkjones> people are not going to like this article I'm writing :(
22:13 < iank> bkjones: describe?
22:13 < bkjones> it started out pretty innocent. Now it's basically "why linux on the desktop still sucks"
22:13 < bkjones> ugh
22:13 < jbeimler> I just wish people would stop picking on the local gadflies. they're cute.
22:14 < Nivex> bkjones: Windows on the desktop ain't much better ;)
22:14 < bkjones> Yeah, I know. I know.
22:14 < jbeimler> I do it sometimes myself, a little culture jamming can help
22:14 < jbeimler> dunno, I'm pretty much all windows for work the last 6 months, and its not horrid.
22:14 < bkjones> I think that's what it is.
22:14 < bkjones> culture jamming.
22:14 < jbeimler> there are little things I miss, but not a lot
22:14 < bkjones> hype quelling
22:15 < bkjones> I'll end on an up note :-)
22:15 < bkjones> certainly good things are happening.
22:15 < jbeimler> once you get used to the fact you have to reboot every day or 2, its really not horrid
22:15 < jbeimler> until it breaks. then linux shines
22:16 < jbeimler> I'm getting used to the regular reinstalls :)
22:17 < jbroome> it's fine when i'm getting paid to do it for a client, on my home machine... Not so much
22:18 < jbeimler> yeah, this is for work, so I don't mind. I'm getting paid to do it. at home, no.
22:18 < bkjones> I personally don't see why people who use linux bitch about windows reinstalls. By the time windows is due for a reinstall, I've likely upgraded and/or reinstalled my linux system 3 times.
22:18 < jbeimler> 1/2 of my media set up is windows, and I'm sick of it popping up messages in the middle of a show telling me it has applied updates, and now its time for a reboot...
22:19 < Nivex> bkjones: my grandma's windows (granted it's Me) is trashed. My mom's Ubuntu desktop hasn't had to be touched.
22:19 < jbeimler> the wmf flaw is a big issue for me.
22:19 < jbeimler> I just started working with a new client, and connecting to their vpn.
22:19 < bkjones> I know. I'm not saying "windows is great" believe me.
22:19 < jbroome> i took a Me system off the planet last week. i felt pretty good about myself. :)
22:20 < jbeimler> talk about scary, I could infect them because there is no fix for my box
22:20 < bkjones> but when you need a *WINDOWS* emulator to use wireless, do gaming, use financial software, and all this other stuff, it's kind of embarrassing.
22:20 < jbeimler> after signing documents saying I would do my damndest not to screw up and get viruses on their network :)
22:20 < DreadPirateBob> Anyone know why I'm getting "Jan 8 22:14:41 olympus postfix/smtp[18380]: connect to hrndva-01.mgw.rr.com[24.28.204.23]: server refused to talk to me: 550-hrndva-mx-04.mgw.rr.com 550 ERROR: Mail Refused - res.rr.com - See http://security.rr.com/rrDynamic.htm (port 25)" in my logs?
22:21 < jbroome> DreadPirateBob: are you spamming again?
22:21 < jbroome> :)
22:21 < DreadPirateBob> I have smtp-server.nc.rr.com in my transport file: * smtp:[smtp-server.nc.rr.com]
22:21 < bkjones> dreadpiratebob: goofy question, but did you go to the url?
22:21 < jbeimler> appears roadrunner doesn't want mail from dynamic addresses :)
22:21 < bkjones> prolly reverse DNS failure.
22:22 < DreadPirateBob> jbroome: No, this isn't the normal, "You're over your quota" message.
22:22 < DreadPirateBob> :)
22:22 < nforbes> Roadrunner won't accept mail from non-rr hosts
22:22 < nforbes> for SMTP
22:22 < nforbes> if that makes a difference
22:22 < jbeimler> if you're going to relay through them, perhaps try to relay through the subdomain you belong to
22:22 * DreadPirateBob is on a RR connection.
22:22 < jbeimler> appears you are on mgw.rr.com
22:23 < jbeimler> so you should be using smtp-server.mgw.rr.com
22:23 < DreadPirateBob> did anyone see that I have * smtp:[smtp-server.nc.rr.com] in my transport file?
22:23 < nforbes> Host smtp-server.mgw.rr.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
22:23 -!- DreadPirateBob is now known as jtate
22:23 * jbeimler has no idear
22:23 < nforbes> mgw.rr.com mail is handled by 10 vamx02.mgw.rr.com.
22:24 < nforbes> vamx02.mgw.rr.com has address 24.30.200.18
22:24 < jtower> what does mgw stand for?
22:24 < nforbes> nc.rr.com's mail is handled by mgw.rr.com too
22:24 -!- alchemis1 is now known as alchemist
22:24 < nforbes> It must be some central server
22:24 < jtower> mail gateway?
22:24 < jbeimler> the pirate isn't actually on there. he's on nc.res.rr.com
22:24 < Nivex> alchemist: *applause*
22:24 < jbeimler> secret names for internal machines I'd guess
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22:26 < jbroome> omg we've cracked the c0de
22:26 < jbeimler> jtate: haven't you learned yet that the trilug box is your friend in mail relaying yet? :)
22:26 < jtate> jbeimler: Aparently not.
22:27 < jtate> Anyone have a rr.com e-mail address I can spam to in order to test?
22:27 < jtower> i'm on rr, but have no idea what my email is
22:27 < iank> I've got one
22:27 < jbeimler> I'd suggest mine, but I just realized I can't log in to my email account
22:27 < iank> If by 'spam' you mean 'send a message or two'
22:28 < jtate> iank: that's what I meant.
22:28 < iank> If you need to send a bunch of messages, I can create one real qui.. ok. pm.
22:28 < jbroome> heh
22:29 < jtower> jtate: rr status page has a bunch of "red" status reports
22:29 < jtower> nm, they're older
22:29 < jtower> although there is one for 1/08
22:32 < jbroome> it is very ironic to me that I need to run IE to use this online spyware scanner
22:33 < iank> s/scanner//
22:33 < iank> ^^ given that, it makes plenty of sense to me =)
22:33 < jbeimler> scanners are cool. I learned that on the late movie recently
22:34 < drasch> jbroome: i tried one of those today, "this requires ActiveX"
22:34 < jbroome> yeah
22:34 < jbroome> i trust this site, and hey.. it's not *my* computer. :)
22:34 < jbroome> (these opinions are jbroome's only, and do not reflect the practices of cerient technologies)
22:36 < jbeimler> jbroome: whats your opinion on the pants required part of the new dress code?
22:36 < tarheelcoxn> le sigh
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> maybe I can get something good out of the thread:
22:37 < jbroome> jbeimler: it's very disapointing. i came into this company thinking i wouldn't have to wear pants. to have this foisted upon me this late in the game is a travesty.
22:37 < jbroome> :)
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> what does *plonk* refer to?
22:37 < jbroome> tarheelcoxn: ahh, young net user..
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> jbroome: 's me!
22:37 < jbeimler> wikipedia covers it
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> :)
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> ahh
22:37 < tarheelcoxn> thanks
22:38 < jbroome> that's the sound of being dropped into a kill file
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22:38 < drasch> jbroome: sounds like a lawsuit in the making
22:38 < jbroome> i'm just happy i could use the word "foisted" today
22:39 < jbeimler> I thought it would be cute to bounce all mail with a From: neuse.net in it, but I figured I'd just irritate the steering committee
22:44 < nforbes> Who do we not like from neuse.net?
22:44 < jbeimler> the troll
22:45 < iank> nforbes: Jim Ray
22:45 < drasch> jbeimler: if only we could find someone who sends lots of email that bounces.....
22:45 < tarheelcoxn> nforbes: /whois neuse
22:45 < jbroome> and has a big fat pipe with mailservers at one end
22:46 < jbeimler> gotta sell him on a marketing scheme it seems. with tons of carefully selected addresses
22:46 < nforbes> haha, cute.
22:46 < nforbes> Does he ever post anything remotely useful? :D
22:47 < Nivex> nforbes: once in about 20 threads
22:47 < jbroome> s/20/20^6
22:48 < jbeimler> I've not seen anything useful.
22:48 < jbeimler> aside from the fact that he makes me feel like I drink too much since I have tried all the beers he mentions, which are usually pretty esoteric
22:49 < jbeimler> wow ctrl-l & ctrl-j are right next to each other
22:49 < jtate> I had two problems: One is a missing transport_maps config line, and two: I didn't need the square brackets.
22:50 < alchemist> jbeimler: what keyboard do you use.
22:50 < jbeimler> the kind in the chair in the dark.
22:50 < alchemist> jbeimler: mine goes JKL like all good QWERTY should
22:50 < jbeimler> tiny one too, with chicklet keys :)
22:50 < Nivex> jtate: the same effect can be had without a transports file. in main.cf: relayhost = [mail.nc.rr.com]
22:50 < alchemist> jbeimler: hehehe
22:51 < alchemist> jbeimler: I'm gonna put in a blacklight
22:52 < alchemist> jbeimler: I mean, my eyes are already shot, right?
22:52 < jbeimler> I just need better lamps. the room is either really bright or dark, no in between here
22:52 < jbroome> you have binary lights
22:52 < iank> Your lightbulb has too much... gorm.
22:52 < jbeimler> the backlight may be a good idea. as soon as it gets warmer, I predict much more porch dwelling
22:53 < jbeimler> nah, I have too many rooms now. I had to distribute the lights in a non-optimal pattern until I get more
22:53 < alchemist> jbeimler: same here as soon as I can get a new wifi card for the laptop :)
22:54 < jbeimler> figuring when I build the kids playground, it may be time to use the powertools to put in a small bar on the deck at the same time
22:54 < tarheelcoxn> alchemist: I have a cisco (cisco logo on it) cardbus adapter for my laptop that has an atheros chipset
22:54 < alchemist> jbeimler: Tiki Bar?
22:54 < tarheelcoxn> alchemist: I'm happy with it
22:54 < jtate> Nivex: I want better than that. I CAN relay through certain common hosts: trilug, gmail, duke, unc, etc. Just not all.
22:54 < alchemist> tarheelcoxn: I've had good luck with other Cisco cards
22:55 < jtate> Where I can relay, I want to take advantage such that I don't go over RR's 1000 msgs/day limit.
22:55 < alchemist> tarheelcoxn: I just think the warrenty goo is wearing off on a lot of this stuff
22:55 < iank> alchemist: ^^what tarheelcoxn said. My cousin has several...
22:55 * jtate hosts a couple of church mailing lists with a couple hundred members.
22:55 < jbeimler> alchemist: that would be optimal.
22:56 < jbeimler> I want a tiki living room, the walls are already painted appropriately...
22:56 < alchemist> jbeimler: check with zobmiepops (lj name) about how he built his in his living room. He also has a Guiness Kegorator
22:56 < alchemist> s/zobmie/zombie
22:56 < jbeimler> I figure just doing the deck though, that way I can keep the eclectic furniture I already have in there :)
22:56 * jtate notes that the fan on the athlon 800 has been out for a while, and suddenly realizes the cause if the instability of the system.
22:57 < jtate> It was fine until I started trying to rsync -z a few gb of data.
22:57 < jtate> CPU is too hot to handle to repair the hotsync.
22:58 < jbeimler> with ssh on of course. :)
22:58 < jbroome> heatsync?
22:58 < jbeimler> its all that crypto that does it.
22:58 < jtate> jbeimler: Of course. :)
22:58 < jtate> what jbroome said
22:58 < jbroome> heatsink. there we go
22:59 < jtate> what jbroome said
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