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Fuck kkkalifornia.

Seriously.

They all say "some day every state will have the same laws"

WELL ITS BEEN 29 FUCKING YEARS LIVING IN THIS NAZI POLICE STATE OF TREE HUGGING AND FUDGE PACKERY I DONT SEE ALABAMA PREVENTING THEIR CITIZENS FROM HAVING GOOD LOOKING CARS

I hope the yosemite fires burn up this whole shitty state... its the fucking Sierra Club's fault that the fires spread so fast and burn so hot.

Alabama doesn't have 40 million people living in it.

If every dipshit here bought a bucket of chems to fuck with their car, we'd be dead by now.

Same as smog laws - I'm GLAD we have them so losers with shit-piles are forced to somewhat stay on top of it. I wish we had overall vehicle inspections like in Japan as well.

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If it's anything like oregon, the stupid tree hugging spcfgts don't allow any logging in their forests. Not even basic maintenance and fire suppression logging.

Better to watch those trees burn along with large swaths of the forest than allow evil industry to build something useful and make a profit with them.

They block forestry services from clearing underbrush on the basis that it will disturb the forests as a natural habitat and that humans shouldnt disrupt it.

Burns/forest fires are part of nature, the underbrush builds and builds and builds then the fires burn hotter, flames reach higher than nature intended and they actually kill the trees as a result

^exactly Pyramid

hmmm...

...without humans, lightning starts a fire (or lava /Yosemite), forest burns until it stops on its own; if lightning lights a fire on the plains, fire burns until it goes out on its own. Fire creates fertilizer for new growth that starts almost immediately...

What we don't understand totally is the need for the new growth. Of course, underbrush that was clogging everything up is gone; on the plains, the thatch is consumed and the grass grows anew, with a nice layer of fertilizer and aerated soil--this happens in forest as well.

It is part of a cycle.

We keep hearing about the high-pressure "cap" here, a layer of hot air covering the state, preventing any formation of rain, with a temperature number associated with it that it takes to "break through" the cap and form rain clouds. As the cap stays in place, as time goes on, that temperature needed to break thru grows higher and higher. Eventually, we get a front strong enough to push the "cap" off and cause rain, but the cap itself weakens the front and limits the amount of rain.

Now, couple years ago, we were in the middle of a nasty hot summer, the cap was entrenched, and going nowhere. Then the wildfires started near Possum Kingdom Lake, and burned for quite awhile; towards the end of the fire, they got quite a bit of rain (and we saw a bit as well), and I suspect it was because the fires heated the air enough to break thru the cap, and allow storm formation.

So maybe wildfires are as much a response to drought as they are for "cleanup". Cleaning out underbrush and such might be as detrimental as clear cutting, given this thought process.

Something to consider.

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isn't the underbrush part of nature so by leaving it alone fires would take place as they would have without interference? and i don't think nature has intentions

Yes, and most of it should be left alone and natural, but limited clearing and logging to create firebreaks would make it so that fires don't burn down half the state uncontrollably when they do break out. Crazy tree huggers refuse to acknowledge this reality.