So you'll stand up to that POS when he slams Mormons, but you can't be relied on to defend others? Yeah, real profile in courage and leadership there. You caved to a nasty, name calling fool who's afraid of his own penis. Well done, Governor. Well done.

If mega-churches and "pro-family" groups knew how many GOP staffers and consultants at all levels of government were gay they would all die suddenly from massive strokes, as every vein in their brains would burst simultaneously.

WTF Indeed:If mega-churches and "pro-family" groups knew how many GOP staffers and consultants at all levels of government were gay they would all die suddenly from massive strokes, as every vein in their brains would burst simultaneously.

See, this is the big conundrum. There are some Christians like my girlfriend's dad, so very good to the core that it makes me feel like I need to do more with my life. He goes on "missionary work" with his masters in agricultural science and goes to poor areas to help them get faltering farms up to full production, and actively refuses to proselytize unless asked for guidance. And even then, his focus is on using what you have to help other people. The subject of anti-gay marriage laws came up once and he said it was disgraceful that people who claim to be Christians were spreading such bile in Christ's name. He knows I'm agnostic with a predilection towards complete non-belief, but his response to that is that so long as I'm making the lives of the people around me, I'm not fooling anyone; "Acts of love, not professed belief, make you Christian."

So there are Christians like that out there. My girlfriend's mom is like that too, but not to the same extreme. I can think of a few more.

On the other hand, the people who are waving the banners, shouting the loudest, and calling attention to themselves and the hate they spread in the name of Christ is FAR more obvious, far more visible, and as near as I can tell, their opinions are more dominant in the "Christian" community.

If the ones who are like Yaz's dad were the ones that were the public face of Christianity, I'd be a very active non-member supporter of their happy club.

I wish the people like the ones in the link were not representative of the majority of "Christians" in the world.

kid_icarus:sweetmelissa31: I know how he feels. I was pressured out of my job as spokeswoman for the American Nazi Party for being Jewish.

THANK YOU.

Personally, I was wondering what kind of gay guy would be working for the Romney campaign in the first place.

Eh, I'm OK with a fellow gay being Republicans, with the caveat that generally the gays I know tend towards the old school republican values: limited federal oversight, less spending, less taxes, and not necessarily the crazy-ass evangelical, non-compromising mindset. While I don't necessarily agree with them on a lot of things, it's important to realize that gays and lesbians are human too- they can make mistakes. (Huge, brobdingnagian, mistakes.)

That being said, everything about this guy I heard before he was dismissed made him seem like a massive tool.

But fine, I'll restrict myself to only referring to this group. I see no reason to change what I've said about them.

It's a perpetual dilemma. You can argue they're not all bad and hateful. But then it brings to mind the question of why they would remain associated with groups or communities that are. There's no singular good answer. Because faith rises above the faithful (the good and bad ones alike)?

WTF Indeed:If mega-churches and "pro-family" groups knew how many GOP staffers and consultants at all levels of government were gay they would all die suddenly from massive strokes, as every vein in their brains would burst simultaneously.

That would be the greatest day ever.I wish these types of people would stop referring to themselves as christian, because they aren't. What they "preach" is such a corruption of the actual message of Jesus... I just wish they would find another icon to hitch their hate-wagon to. Its horrible how they villify gay people and other groups, and I am ashamed of and embarrassed by every single one of them.

But fine, I'll restrict myself to only referring to this group. I see no reason to change what I've said about them.

It's a perpetual dilemma. You can argue they're not all bad and hateful. But then it brings to mind the question of why they would remain associated with groups or communities that are. There's no singular good answer. Because faith rises above the faithful (the good and bad ones alike)?

I don't see why you're willing to give these people the benefit of the doubt, and they hate you more than they'd even hate me. They're willing members of a hate group. F*ck em.

GAT_00:I don't see why you're willing to give these people the benefit of the doubt, and they hate you more than they'd even hate me. They're willing members of a hate group. F*ck em.

That's certainly your choice. I try not indulge in their behaviors, gratifying as it may be. There's something to be said for doing "do unto others" better than the farks who claim the moral high ground simply because of their chosen mythology.

Diogenes:Wyrdbrthr: Diogenes: Wyrdbrthr: Did you see the daily show bit on Fischer crowing abou this last night?

Pride goeth before the fall. This was all about his power. Not his ignorant attitudes.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me on about this. Care to clarify?

That's because I wasn't disagreeing. ;-)

His little victory speech revealed his true motivations. Hopefully his pride will be his undoing.

Well, that's one way of staying positive. Personally, I just keep a tally every time I'm watching television these days- every time I see a story about someone who raises a stink about gay people, I make a note of what percentage of them cut immediately to the sponsor, and if it's a chubby, middling-to-old-aged white guy. So far it's at 100%.That gives me hope for the future, at least. (In that it's likely they'll all be dying soon enough for me to still be able to do a jaunty little two step on their graves.)