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I'm out of state for the top public schools and have only semi target level stats. Which colleges would you say are most underrated for breaking into wall street? (for someone in my circumstance to succeed in, given the school has lower admissions standards than the top 10)

I read through past threads voraciously and the common names seem to be uiuc, indiana, fordham, uva econ or commerce, boston university, usc and ucla.

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I wouldn't say that BU even has a slight presence on the Street. I have friends at a few Patriot league schools (Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh), and from what I hear there are a good number of alums in IB/PE. I also know Hopkins placed at least two kids at Goldman S&T last year, and would suspect a few more in other roles.

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I think they have a "workshop" program for investment management or S&T, similar to the IB workshop. Not sure if it boasts the same placement rate as the IB program, but it has to be close. They definitely have a Trading club of some sort. I would encourage you to join that. There are some smart kids over at Kelley.

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I think they have a "workshop" program for investment management or S&T, similar to the IB workshop. Not sure if it boasts the same placement rate as the IB program, but it has to be close. They definitely have a Trading club of some sort. I would encourage you to join that. Smart kids at Kelley.

Yeah I am really not sure if it has the same klout as the IB workshop does. Not sure though, Definitely going to try and join either of them after doing some research.

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I wouldn't say that BU even has a slight presence on the Street. I have friends at a few Patriot league schools (Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh), and from what I hear there are a good number of alums in IB/PE. I also know Hopkins placed at least two kids at Goldman S&T last year, and would suspect a few more in other roles.

An LAC might be a good option for me (preference wise), but I've heard that colgate and bucknell are total non targets from another thread so I'm confused lol. I'd prefer Carleton, Vassar, bowdoin, hamilton, kenyon types of schools that are D3 though.

What's your opinion on Tufts, Univ of Rochester, Brandeis for NYC? Also how do they compare with Rice/Univ of Southern California if I have my heart set on Boston/NYC only?

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LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Rochester is a good value school but the name doesn't carry IMO. The one kid I know there transferred to Georgetown. Brandeis I would never go to, it not only is overshadowed by the other NE schools, but isn't as alum heavy as you'd think. Rice and USC I don't know much about, but if you went there and killed it I am sure some alum would be willing to support you.

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LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Tufts has always been a bit tougher academically than NYU/BC. I highly doubt they are as much of a semi-target as those too however, Tufts isn't much of a finance school.

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No idea why, but I have met several people from U Wisconsin's business program. Could just be my own experience, but they seem to do pretty well considering their rank and location. That said, you would still have better odds at almost any semi-target.

Rice does well. While UT might place more students, Rice will have far fewer people competing for OCR, and you don't have to compete to get into the honors business program.

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Fordham, baruch. Its all about location. If you can take advantage of being in a school which has less finance competition in a perfect location for networking, you can cause some havoc.

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This isn't necessarily the school as a whole but Virginia Tech has student-run equity and fixed income funds with AUM +4M. Both routinely place 3-5 each on the street per year. I think between the two they put nine in Citi's S&T program last year.

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LAC wise the better NESCACs might be out of your range, but depending on your grades I would throw Tufts and Hamilton a serious look. Tufts is getting significantly harder to get into -- its no slouch. I know kids who didn't get into Tufts but got into NYU/BC.

Tufts has always been a bit tougher academically than NYU/BC. I highly doubt they are as much of a semi-target as those too however, Tufts isn't much of a finance school.

My point is at a school like Tufts, if you want to get into banking and have the grades, you will be able to do so. Most kids at Tufts are pretty liberal and don't find an appeal for finance, so I doubt the competition rivals academically comparable schools.

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NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

true, but it can be a poor cultural fit for a lot of people. feels more like high school take 2 than anything else.

How do Bucknell/Colgate - top two schools from the patriot league compare to the various nescacs? Also I'm assuming by nescac you aren't talking about trinity, conn college, bates and colby as they are on the lower end of the league and are ranked poorly in usnews and world report.

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If you're in the Midwest (specifically Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Chicago), you see a lot of IU and UIUC in MM banks and MM PE. If by "Wall Street" you literally mean NYC finance, then I'm not so sure about underrepresentation of these schools. But atleast among the BMOs, Bairds, Blairs, Jaffrays of the world, those 2 state school business colleges are well sought after.

Have a couple buddies at NESCACs who say the alumni are very, very loyal. They don't expect the kids they interview to have strong finance knowledge and OCR tends to be very fit-based with mostly market/news questions being as hard as it gets.

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NESCAC schools i believe are the most underrated...hardly ever hear of them on this forum. they send a shit ton of grads into wallstreet firms each year and their alums have unbelievable loyalty

true, but it can be a poor cultural fit for a lot of people. feels more like high school take 2 than anything else.

How do Bucknell/Colgate - top two schools from the patriot league compare to the various nescacs? Also I'm assuming by nescac you aren't talking about trinity, conn college, bates and colby as they are on the lower end of the league and are ranked poorly in usnews and world report.

patriot league schools like bucknell, colgate and lafayette are pretty good, at lease from my observations. ive seen their grads all over the wallstreet firms, especially bucknell and lafayette grads.

but i am talking about all nescac schools as a whole. you need to ignore us news cause its all bullshit and financial/consulting firms do not build their recruiting structures around some illegitimate magazine ranking. as for the "lower" ranked nescac schools, you would be surprised how many trinity alum (for example) can be found in BB/MM firms, maybe not to the same length as williams, but ive seen many of them at citi, credit suisse, wells fargo and various MM banks.

many nescac schools also have alums in very senior positions within wallstreet firms. and another note, you dont see many of them leaving the industry, even with very low retention rates amongst all firms for various reasons (layoffs, change of careers, etc.) so when you have alum who stay in these places a long time, it only boosts their networks

i am not advocating that nescac are the best schools to attend, im just saying they are pretty damn good at putting students into the right firms and give their students the tools to do it...hence why they seem to be underrated here

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I'd say the top nescacs are Williams Amherst middlebury Wesleyan and bowdoin. Of those, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury probably get the strongest recruiting though I know kids from each school that have gone on to BBs.

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What about Brown ? This forum never gives much love to it but call it what you may Brown grads are all over in MBB, BB, PE. I thing Brown gets a lot of love from MBB and beats out Columbia, Cornell, and Upenn non W in terms of the sheer numbers of offers given out each year.

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The co-head of GSIBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

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The co-head of GSIBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?

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Everyone seems to be saying they know one person from Middlebury, or have heard of a person from some CUNY, or found someone who was hired 30 years ago when the industry was easier to get into in an important position. None of this is helpful. OP is asking what maximizes his chances, not what's possible at any infinitesimal statistical level. If you went help, OP, go to IU or UVA, and never even consider going to Rochester or the CUNY schools. And who the fuck goes to Middlebury for banking?? It's a super liberal arts school, known for foreign language programs!

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Everyone seems to be saying they know one person from Middlebury, or have heard of a person from some CUNY, or found someone who was hired 30 years ago when the industry was easier to get into in an important position. None of this is helpful. OP is asking what maximizes his chances, not what's possible at any infinitesimal statistical level. If you went help, OP, go to IU or UVA, and never even consider going to Rochester or the CUNY schools. And who the fuck goes to Middlebury for banking?? It's a super liberal arts school, known for foreign language programs!

this lol, I was asking about schools that place decently, that a semi target stats kid could get into. I prefer liberal arts colleges and am not too keen about the frat/athlete scene at IU and UVA and so a school like Midd or Hamilton might be a good fit.

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The co-head of GSIBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?

I also went to a diverse public school in an urban area and I am currently a soph at a Nescac. There are a lot of athletes and most of the parties thrown are by greek societies but are usually open to the whole campus. While there is a frat/athlete presence on campus I wouldn't call it heavy and this is coming from an athlete who is in a frat. The majority of kids are smart and friendly so there are several different personalities that exist on campus. I hope this helps with your question.

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The co-head of GSIBD went to Hamilton, a NESCAC. All of the schools in that conference (that's all it is, a conference... just like the Ivy League) feel like boarding schools on steroids and they really do have incredibly loyal alumni networks and pretty cushy relationships with the financial world. But if your gut is telling you to go to a bigger school, don't go to a NESCAC.

What type of personality do you need to have in order to "fit in" at a nescac? I went to a diverse, public school in an urban area and have no idea what a boarding school is like. Are they frat/athlete heavy or is everyone just really smart and friendly?

I went to an "urban," diverse public school but not in the U.S and did my undergrad at a NESCAC. It was a bit of a culture shock but I grew up in France so it would have been the same anywhere. Athletics aren't nearly as big as at major D-I schools but frats are nearly the only game in town as far as major parties until you turn 21.

It's worth mentioning not all NESCACs are equal however. Williams/Amherst are in another tier as far as the academics and network goes while I'm guessing some of the "lesser" ones (Colby/Bates... I don't really know) are the frothiest. Tufts is its own animal as it is significantly larger than the others, has a pretty sizable grad school and is in a suburban setting.

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I have seriously been surprised at the presence UNC has had, especially in Charlotte and Atlanta but NY as well. Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

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Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BBFO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

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Definitely a target for MS, Wells, BOAML, and a number of other quality banks, such as Jefferies and Lazard

I'm gonna go ahead and say UNC is absolutely not a target for NYC offices of any BBs. Target means something very specific. I haven't heard of or seen any UNC presence in NYC BBFO roles.
I could see them much more believably be a target for Charlotte and Atlanta. Not NYC

Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of of target? I could very well be wrong calling UNC a target for those banks, but I do know they place a fair number in some NYC offices.

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Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of of target? I could very well be wrong calling UNC a target for those banks, but I do know they place a fair number in some NYC offices.

Targets get special recruitment attention, including campus visits/informational sessions, school-restricted events at the bank's headquarters, resume drops (which get preferential treatment over online apps), and on campus first round interviews (and sometimes second round, depending on the bank).

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Superday w/ Paper ModelingHi everyone,
I am currently interviewing for RBC Houston and will be having a super day next week. I have two years experience in investment management so I'm assuming this isn't an entry-level role...

Thoughts on these Ferragamo Loafers?Thinking of picking up my first pair of ferragamo loafers and was wondering what you guys thought on these in brown?http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/salvatore-ferragamo-mu...
or these is black?http://www1...

The growing perpetuity calculation in DCFHey, guys. I am a pre-MBA student. I studied one corporate finance class in law school so my question may seem too plain and simple. I was reading the DCF and noted that the calculation of the...

7 Things I Learned While Running a BusinessThought some of you may enjoy reading this. For the last 1-2 years, I've been running an editing service as a side gig. I probably won't operate it for too much longer because my regular job takes...

Transitioning from Operations to Asset Management I'm a recent finance graduate from a Canadian University, and graduated this year (3.1/4.0 GPA). I'm currently working at a large investment management/custody bank in investment servicing for mutual...

From generalist to consumer retailHi, I wold like to move from a generalist M&A boutique into a firm focused on consumer and retail. Can you suggest me any publication , book, modeling course to gain the knowledge to get prepared...

Summer internships in AMHi I would like to know how the recruitment process is in AM for summer (I am interested in London) and what typical part of interns get a FT offer after the summer

Soho (NYC) SubletTo anyone in need of an apartment / roommate, I've got a furnished bedroom in my apartment available. Shoot me a PM if interested. The Craigslist post below has the details.http://newyork....

Why I Enjoy Networking with CandidatesI thought I'd write a networking post from a different perspective. We often see advice on WSO from people who are undergrads or recent hires with advice on how to network into the industry (good...

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