How much do you really need?

Never heard that about Wake. My father was a Raider- he did not go on the Makin raid but he did the 39 day "long patrol" and was in the first assualt wave at Bougainville. James Thomas Ament F company. I saw his name when they had the Raider Museum in Richmond VA.

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Spent a week on the island in '79 on a transpac. (VMA 211 - Wake Island Avengers). Not much to do but explore the old fortifications and compounds, drink, snorkle, drink, explore, drink. We found a 30 cal water cooled mg barely visible on the beach on Peale ( one of the 3 that make up the atoll) and dug it up. Our ordnance guys cleaned it up and presented it to the skipper, who put it in his office.

One jap compound was still pretty much intact, almost in the center of Peale, which has a lot of heavy brush. Still had a gallows, and a prisoner hole, and one inside perimeter wall was full of bullet holes. Likely where some prisoners were executed. Very sobering. It might still be there, although there has been some construction since I was there. Interesting to pull it up on Google Earth: 19°17'7.61"N , 166°38'59.77"E .

no one man can stand against the world. but 30-50 people, well armed and dug in, can stand against a good sized portion of it. consider networking with your friends, neighbors, and family. if you only have a very small piece of property, or it can't be built up and fortified, consider organizing with the people you're on good terms with to bug out to their location.

I live in a small community... even smaller when the snow birds and terrorist.. oops tourist leave.. about 4k in the winter months.. 10k when we are in full swing of the summer... I have Lake Huron to my East... and not too many roads lead to us.. one maine running N-S and one that goes W.
I figured being a smaller community (hoping) we will pull our heads out of our buts and become the "Family" we actually are (some how we are all related in this town) We are a bunch of hunters, fishers, and farmers here... Id have to say 1 out of 5 don't have a gun and we have at least 5 to each one that does... We reload... come on we are hunters... and we know the woods....
I realize wally world and the local grocers would be raided... but if we pull it together, we could make wally world and the grocers our place of prepping food we get from the land... who the hell would want to take over the Tawas area any way?

I guess what I really meant to ask.. is can one depend on or convince ones small community to become a small defended "civilized" compound. Or will it become one small group watching their own back from another?

no one man can stand against the world. but 30-50 people, well armed and dug in, can stand against a good sized portion of it. consider networking with your friends, neighbors, and family. if you only have a very small piece of property, or it can't be built up and fortified, consider organizing with the people you're on good terms with to bug out to their location.

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i agree completely.

My close friends and I have already formulated a BI/BU plan with multiple locations ( primary, sencondary.. etc.. based on location, climate, resources, nature of the problem.. etc.

we got a plan and are not afraid to use it.

as has been said.. it's hard for a single person to hold out.

ya got to sleep sometime..

however.. you want to stay small enough so that your locale can supply you with enough resources.. even if on the move, if you deplete an eara faster than you move thru.. then you have an issue.

My close friends and I have already formulated a BI/BU plan with multiple locations ( primary, sencondary.. etc.. based on location, climate, resources, nature of the problem.. etc.

we got a plan and are not afraid to use it.

as has been said.. it's hard for a single person to hold out.

ya got to sleep sometime..

however.. you want to stay small enough so that your locale can supply you with enough resources.. even if on the move, if you deplete an eara faster than you move thru.. then you have an issue.

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At the risk of being called Obviousman, I'd add don't wait till the last minute. This is a big country, and there will be plenty of warning signs for weeks or months, even years. Just pay attention and connect the dots. Unless it's some end of the world solar flare or something, in which case it won't make any difference where you are.

I hauled around 10K of ammo and all my guns clear across Canada, 20 years back on my way to Alaska and they never even opened my trailer door. Most of it was 223 fmj that went for $179/thou back in late 80s; no regrets not even from the wife.

I now got enough reloading supplies to supply all the hunters in my community for generations; laugh if ya want. My grandkids will still be killin caribou with the supplies I bought long after I'm gone. I like that thought.

Depends on who you plan on doing battle with.
Defending your home and family against the low life scum that will initiate rioting, looting and burning after the elections is one thing. Defending your Country against the Obama Brown Shirts, LEO and US Military is something else entirely.

Being from Michigan ammo should be high on your list, but HEAT should be on the TOP of your list. When the SHTF and the power goes down, all the ammo in the world ain't gunna keep your a$$ warm in those Michigan winters.

I guess what I really meant to ask.. is can one depend on or convince ones small community to become a small defended "civilized" compound. Or will it become one small group watching their own back from another?

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If you start now with just one of your neighbors, you can prepare for just about anything. Never show them what you have, but show them what they can have. There really is safety in numbers! If I were you, and I wanted to see if I could get this going. I would start by just talking to the folks that live around me. Find out if they think there is a catastrophe coming, or not. Don't waste your time on those that think there is nothing that's going to happen. Work with like minded people.

Have a cook out, invite a neighbor, or two, just to get things started. Have some one else host the next meeting. Any excuse to get together is a valuable tactic for recruiting volunteers and building a team. Home meetings allow community members to come together to share their concerns, and join together, to work for progress. Within the room, on in your yard, you already have all the tools you need to enact ideas on a local level. Every attendee can contribute time, resources, or leadership abilities.

Your house/yard meeting will help you identify your leadership team. The people that are committed enough to come to your house meeting should be considered potential leaders of the initiatives being implemented.

As a house/yard meeting host, invite people from your neighborhood to participate in a discussion about your community, pressing needs for a SHTF seniro, and the potential solutions.

no one man can stand against the world. but 30-50 people, well armed and dug in, can stand against a good sized portion of it. consider networking with your friends, neighbors, and family. if you only have a very small piece of property, or it can't be built up and fortified, consider organizing with the people you're on good terms with to bug out to their location.

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True fix fortifications are good with enough people if the opposing does NOT have the capability to put HE on your positions. Of course you could go 50 or so feet underground to protect yourself from artillery and mortars.

Interlocking two person Depuy fighting postions are the way to go they should have grenade sumps.