>>4604I agree. Going somewhat "chronologically" helps you see how all these concepts developed, and it helps you understand them better. You also get to see how Western philosophical thinking evolved along the last 2000 or so years, and there is a somewhatclear continuity.

And what exactly are you saying the Arabs destroyed? Like, do you have names of texts or figures whose writings are gone that we could safely say were *philosophers* from Sumer, Babylon, Assyria, etc. etc.?

>>6358>*wasthanks for the correction, i knew something was wrong>>6358>doesn't mean that there were philosophers in and around said places.they problably had biography of philosophersi mean the city was destroyed in 640 ADyou have like more than 3000 years of history

>>6524If there were any significant and famed philosophers present in the city it's likely they wouldn't have kept them a secret and other places would have known about them.

The fact that we have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of anything resembling philosophy in those places leads me to believe that the people there didn't concern themselves with philosophy.

I'm sure tons of records were destroyed, but I still believe that, if there was any philosophizing taking place, something that would have made them unique among the peoples around them from a religious and cultural perspective, we would know about it.If there were people concerning themselves with philosophy and nobody bothered to mention it ever then I think said philosophy wasn't significant or noteworthy and there might as well have been none there.

Also even if those places were some hidden Mecca of philosophy, it wouldn't really matter. Nobody in the entire history of philosophy as we know it builds on the ideas of those people (if they had any).

All philosophy after the Greeks builds on the Greeks.That's why you start with them.

>>6524>they problably had biography of philosophersWhat kind of standard is that? They *might've* had philosophers because they *definitely* had libraries that were destroyed? That's not evidence of anything beyond the brute fact that libraries that contained writings (the contents of which we largely don't know) were destroyed.

>>6292>when they invaded the iranians, assyrians, babylonians, etcthey destroyed all their libraries and booksWhich evades what I asked for, namely, a definite account of what in particular went missing as an example. For example, we can talk with ease about Aristotle's dialogues that didn't survive, because they, among other works of his that didn't survive, are referred to in ancient lists of his writings, and are very occasionally quoted by ancient commentators. We know that those are philosophical writings that haven't survived. All you're pointing to is "that had enough writings that there probably were", which isn't good enough. It also doesn't show anything to point to ancient "wisdom literature" of the proverbial sort, which is distinct in character from philosophy, which can be characterized as, if anything at all, inquiry that recognizes a difference between knowledge and the opinions that we pick up by living in society, which the proverbial writings don't show.

>The fact that we have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of anything resembling philosophy in those places leads me to believe that the people there didn't concern themselves with philosophy.people that got knowledge and had civilizations way before greeks didnt have philosophers then greeks came and had philosophers?

>/lit/ was a good place to discuss philosophy because most people aren't going to /lit/ anyways>/his/ opens up and becomes the forced philosophy board>more and more /pol/tards and other shitheads rushing in to put their two cents in>philosophy threads will be reduced to shit with U CAN'T NO NUFFIN or "philosophy is ded" stemtard shitposting.

>>7734>were the reason we have access to things like the Corpus Hermeticum.arabs were fucking shits who destroyed many people for their shit religionfuck themthey didnt nothing more than cause pain and destruction

>>7112>people that got knowledge and had civilizations way before greeks didnt have philosophers then greeks came and had philosophers?Howsabout that? It's almost like noticing that "people that got knowledge and had civilizations way before early modern Europeans didnt have mathematical physicists then early modern Europeans came and had mathematical physicists."

>>7413>are you fucking telling me that in 3000 years there wasnt any philosopher?Well, we certainly don't have any evidence of it to make such positive claims. I asked you above, and you offered me a picture of Wikipedia that at best points to an Egyptian "wisdom lit" writer whose work isn't characteristic of philosophy, and worst suggests that you don't seem to know history very well if you think that the relatively late destruction of middle eastern libraries by the Arabs is evidence that those libraries contained writings that were over a thousand years old.

>>8101Read the canon in order lmao. All those ancillary works are undergrads trying to justify their degrees. Read Iliad, Odyssey in a fun translation like Pope. Their value is recognizing the following 3000 years of references, not anything in particular in the text itself. Read Herodotus, Thucydides if you like history; Aeschylus, Sophocles, the third guy if you like literature; Plato, Aristotle if you like philosophy; and so on.

The introductions preceding whatever versions of those works you pick up will more than fill you in on the narrative. Remember that archaeologists are c*cks and you are more or less as qualified as bookwriting academics.

>>7931>arabs were fucking shits who destroyed many people for their shit religionfuck themthey didnt nothing more than cause pain and destructionBut you're pointing to the Assyrians and Babylonians as good examples? Do you know anything about how their empires conducted themselves?

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