Wii is 6th gen hardware
Wii U is 7th
Its measured by processing power, not what fanboys edit wikipedia to

BigDix

It’s less “fanboys” and more like the millions who have been gaming since the Odyssey.

NeoTechni

“Look at the word again, silly. The term is ‘generation’.”

Yes, and in TECHNOLOGY it dictates processing power. Wii U uses an OLD processor, based on the same architecture as GAMECUBE. Just cause Wii U came out at a later time doesnt mean it’s parts did. Just like the new neogeo system, it is NOT the same generation as the systems that came out now

Think of it like 2 families.

#1 having kids in their fifties
#2 having kids in at 25

#2 will be on their 4th when #1 has their 2nd.
Just cause they came out at the same time, no matter how much of a fanboy asshole you want to be, doesnt change what generation they are.

And it’s the technology inside it that determines the generation. TO MEASURE HOW POWERFUL IT IS.

To recap, you’re wrong as fsck, and have no clue how technology or manners work.

There’s reasons the game developers even call Wii U last gen, and you’re NOT smarter than them.

AdamBoy64

The moderators have started removing our comments – so might have repercussions for posting this same argument. I don’t want to tick off the mods, but I don’t entirely see what the problem is. Perhaps they want us to move it to the Open Forum?

But anyway, technology’s not a factor in determining generation. It never has been. I’m not sure where you’ve picked all that up from, but it’s simply not true. I’m not sure how that family analogy applies at all.

The Ouya and 3DS are as much 8th Gen consoles as the PS4 is.

You stand alone in trying to change what the term ‘generation’ means. That’s great and all, but it’s not going to change what it is.

My being so over-the-top might have indeed pushed things over the top for the mod. But you know, it is warranted. I think everyone in the online gaming community has by now gotten a big ol’ earful of this meme that the Wii U is “not next-gen”. It so completely defies the actuality of the issue at hand… To say it’s even AT issue, is fucking ridiculous.

There is zero reason to tolerate this kind of asinine, juvenile gibbering. There’s already so many desperate kids wracking their little heads over the console wars like the little shit-wits they are, we don’t need to argue the few things that fall under verifiable fact. This kind of garbage demands a good, vigorous routing I’d say, because it’s no joke that utter and resounding failure is the best teacher there is.

Only one half of this argument has been silly. Trying to stop the spread of silly is not silly.

http://twitter.com/kazumalynx Zero

(This reply is not directed only at you.)

It started getting out of hand when the discussion clashed with our guidelines.

Here is my opinion. – I don’t think this conversation is really going anywhere. We obviously have users with differing opinions, It doesn’t seem like anything is going to change.

This just makes our job as Moderators more difficult.

When do we need to step in?

The comments were edited below in an effort to be fair. We didn’t want anyone to feel like they were being singled out alone.

I don’t really want to edit any comments. Can someone please tell me why this discussion should continue? Why does it need to continue?

If someone thinks it needs to continue. Can we please turn it down a few notches? Let’s discuss this in a civil manner, please. Personally, I’m fine with constructive off topic discussions.

When you have users disrespecting one another, posting things that not only clash with, but ignore our guidelines altogether. Yeah, expect to get some moderator attention.

If the conversation does continue. Let’s all please keep this in mind.

I think what I’m asking for here is fair.

BigDix

The only problem here is that what we are — for some reason — discussing, is not subject to opinion. Few things are facts, but that the Wii U is an eighth generation console is one of them. Hence why the silliness is especially borne by one very particular half, like I said. If you or anyone else reading are unaware of how the generational video game taxonomy breaks down, feel free to look it up and know full well the truth of the situation.

It is however by the same token, that even when talking about truth-values, a conversation can certainly reach that point where it needn’t continue. Even if we go from opinion to the correct and the incorrect, it’s absolutely true that parties can just stubbornly persist and keep up their pissing match as though the correct and incorrect never mattered to begin with. Sure, it can still devolve into monkeys throwing shit at each other.

But eveeeeerything is always relative. Whether or not one chooses to initiate or sustain this kind of exchange is up to circumstance. Now, when I look at this situation… I see the “Wii U is not a next-gen console” meme. For the umpteenth time. Is this, or is this not one of the most virulent devices haters and fanboys are brandishing in the modern gaming community? It is. Gematsu users seems to think quite highly of their community, but it’s stiiill popping up even here. We’re even in a position where a moderator of the community would refer to what’s apparently at issue as “opinion”, which is nothing against you, but an illustration of how easily this meme can take hold in people’s minds.

So should we abide misinformation? Depends. I mean if it’s harmless, who cares, right? But if it’s spreading everywhere all across a gaming community that’s already in a miserable state of affairs as one of the latest and most recurring parroted adages of hate, why not rout it like I said? When someone sighs, feels it’s pointless and won’t accomplish anything, I entirely understand, respect and relate to that moment. I equally understand, respect and relate to the moment where one throws up their arms and says, “Fuck it. Let’s go.”

The best way to turn things down a few notches, all the notches even, would be to not effectively regurgitate the same slogan of hate that has already blazed yet another path of idiocy and destruction across the Internet. What’s-his-face’s and company’s initial comments are, in point of fact, the least constructive remarks in this comment thread. Not in the most remote way are they constructive at all. That’s the real disrespect that goes beyond the pale, to disrespect not Nintendo, but forty fucking years of video games, since before Nintendo even had the slightest Fami-inkling, because you just really, really love getting your rocks off by smugly being wrong to people on the Internet.

My comments? Maybe I put a fine, if not fiery point on them… All the better though if it helps to strike people who are unclear on what never should even come up. If it contributes to the realization that putting on a pretended swagger while you spew garbage fighting out which console is the besterest and most advancederest for Internet big-boys is com-fucking-pletely absurd, then I don’t regret commenting, my language, or being more than a little rough around the edges.

Thank you for the reply. My only goal is trying to keep the community here happy. It’s not always easy. =(

Thanks for being patient with the moderation team. I really appreciate it.

BigDix

Read this very carefully: The Nintendo Wii U, the PlayStation 4, the Xbox One, the Nintendo 3DS, the PlayStation Vita, the Ouya, among others…are dedicated, mass-manufactured gaming consoles. Because they are dedicated gaming consoles being released at the particular point in time, they are EIGHTH. GENERATION. CONSOLES. They are not random “TECHNOLOGY”. They are GAMING CONSOLES, built with “TECHNOLOGY”. Do you even realize that the Eight-Generations taxonomy has no application to or alignment with anything you’re talking about? Eighth generation processors are eighth generation processors by virtue of being in EIGHTH GENERATION CONSOLES.

Wii U uses an OLD processor, based on the same architecture as GAMECUBE.

You mean like how the PS4’s x86-64 processor is “OLD” since it’s based on technology that’s been out a decade? Oh well! So much for your only argument that was completely wrong regardless!

I can’t change anything. Because it already is what it is. There’s nothing you or me can do to change the fact that the Wii U is an eighth generation console, along with the Ouya, the Vita, the 3DS, etc.

But then again, I haven’t a damn clue as to why I would want to change it. You’re the only one trying to futilely change that reality. And you’re doing so because, again, IN REALITY you’re the fanboy asshole out to prove something by trying to distort 40 years of OBJECTIVE HISTORY THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. It’s in the books! I’m sorry, kiddo! No, you CAN’T go back! The Wii U is an eighth generation console after all! My heart bleeds for you! How shall we ever be protected from the Wii U without our one, worthless-from-the-word-go line of attack!?

Wait a second… Attack? Why are we attacking? Oh yeah. Because you’re exactly the fanboy you yourself reference.

As for manners… If only you had the slightest semblance of them. Hey, I could totally dig it if you were just innocently wondering aloud to yourself over the generational schema, inquiring about it, or even positing it as the way you personally see it. But you didn’t. You blew in here, perched yourself upon the Crayola steed you had drawn in your head, and proceeded to lecture people on how they were “improperly using time”… Pretentious as fuck, in spite of the fact that you are also WRONG AS FUCK! Whoa man! BAD combination! Always a bad combination.

So you deserve to be sworn at. You deserve to be told how fucking stupid and stubborn you’re being, because you’re doing so with such enthusiasm and gusto, you must be going out for the blue ribbon. Consider now for the future whether it’d be useful to second-guess yourself when you’re about to go preaching. You need a big, heaping bowlful of humble, buddy; Drink deeply of it and lick it to a shining finish, so that you might one day be lucky enough to not answer matters in which you’re unversed with the stupid, clownish dance of a giant asshole.

P.S. No developer referring to an eighth generation console as a last generation console at this point in time is smart.

http://kazriko2.tumblr.com Kazriko Redclaw

I find it amusing that you guys are still debating this. Your staying power and addiction to argument is impressive.

Lets see if I can frame this better. Ouya, 3DS, and Vita are definitely all the same generation on the mobile side. In fact, they’re all using the same basic processor architecture. The only real difference is the GPU that each uses, and how many cores/how fast of cores they are. Mobile units are usually about a generation behind in processing power when compared to home consoles, but they still qualify as the same generation. In this case, the 3DS is similar to the Wii, the Vita sits somewhere between the Wii and PS3, and the Ouya is about half-way between the Vita and 3DS.

The Wii U may be using the same architecture as the Gamecube, but oddly enough it’s actually a more effective architecture than the PS3 and Xbox360 were using. The PS3 and 360 were utilizing very dumb, deep pipeline in-order dual issue PowerPC, while Wii U is a bit more advanced but shallower pipeline out-of-order chip, but the downside to it is that its clock speeds can’t be as high as the dumber chip. The clock speeds on the Wii U are limited to about 1.25ghz. The PS4 and Xbox One both have a similar issue, they’re fairly simple dual issue out-of-order chips much like the Wii U’s processor. Because they’re simpler with a shallower pipeline than the most advanced x86 chips, they can only run at 1.6 to 2.0ghz.

The Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One are much more similar than you might think. In CPU terms, the Wii U is about 30% the speed of the PS4 and XboxOne Hardly a generational difference. More like the difference between a lower range and mid range computer of the same generation. In terms of GPU capability, they’re maybe a year apart in architecture, but still very similar. the Xbox One is around 50% faster than the Wii U, and the PS4 is about 50% faster than the XboxOne. Still nothing like the 5-10x range you normally see in a generation jump.

More importantly, all 3 are using either a SoM or a SoC for most all of their functions. It’s the first generation where they’ve really pushed the APU architecture almost across the board. Wii U is a bit of a proto-SoC because they’re separate chips, but all mounted on an interposer so that they look very much like the same chip to the system. In the future, they could probably rebuild it as a single chip without changing the arch much at all.

You could make the argument that the Wii wasn’t 7th generation, being only 1.5x as powerful as a gamecube, but you can’t make that argument with the Wii U.

http://www.psvitadirect.com/ Kurisu Makise

You beat me to this by a good 40+ minutes. For me, it does matter at least. Size real estate under the TV is important when your living space isn’t that big =(

bloodiOS

–Wii U–
Width: 6.8 inches
Length: 10.5 inches
Height: 1.8 inches

It’s slightly smaller.

$18114340

… but will it blend?

manasword0

Thank you for opening up my eyes to a new awesomeness on YouTube.

Raiyu

It’s funny how the Xbox One is almost as big as the original Xbox. It’s only .8in shorter in height in comparison. <_<

I'm surprised the PS4 is so small though, I can only imagine how small the PS4 Slim will be.

I almost forgot how huge the PS3 Phat was.

Lelouch Vi Britannia

agreed.

bloodiOS

The best thing about the original model is that while gaming on it in Winter, you won’t even feel the need to turn on the heater.

AdamBoy64

I found the PS3 Fat a lot less cumbersome to transport than the Xbox 360 though.

The 360 had that massive power brick to lumber around.

Frii

No PS3 Super Slim in comparison?

Solomon_Kano

Now Wii U lol.

ギャビン

What about the new PS3 and 360?

bloodiOS

Don’t know about the new Xbox 360 but as for the Super Slim version of the PS3:
Width: 11.4 inches
Length: 9.05 inches
Height: 2.36 inches

Gilgamesh2025

I ❤ PS4

http://kazriko2.tumblr.com Kazriko Redclaw

They came in almost exactly where I expected them in size. The PS3 Slim uses less than 100 watts, and the PS4’s power consumption is right around 100 watts, so I figured with Sony’s expertise in electronics design they’d get the systems to about the same size.

Playstation 3’s have always had nice well designed heatsink and cooling solutions. The heat sinks generally take up most of the internal volume and have cutouts for all of the devices inside. The connectors for drives are generally right on the board with no cabling. The fan is usually large and designed to pull air through part of the heatsink, and push it out the other half with a nice well defined air path from the one set of outside vents to another set of outside vents. Lots of copper heat pipes to move the heat from the chips to the thickest parts of the heat sink array.

The Xbox One on the other hand… If you look at the teardown pictures MS revealed, they have no idea how to do electronics design. It looks like a computer inside with SATA cables and a blocky heat sink with the relatively small fan sitting right on top of the SoC, and tons of completely empty space inside. Just like a PC design.

AdamBoy64

Sweet. So the Wii U is the smallest of the Next Gen consoles, but not by much.

PS4 is surprisingly small.

NeoTechni

Wii u isnt a next gen console

AdamBoy64

In terms of aesthetics, I thought the PS3 Fat beat anything hands-down.
Man, the finish on that thing was really nice.

I always wanted to see the Piano White colour of the PS3 Fat. That looks fantastic. Really nice.