Talk:Thomas and Friends

Can I delete some sections that have all quotes? Zeldabalooney2006 20:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you please clarify? Don't all the sections consist of quotes?--Cato 21:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know what you meant, Zeldabalooney2006. But giving a look ... like "The Green controller" section .. I am afraid it is a complete copy of one episode .... --Aphaia 21:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The Green controller section is a hoax - I deleted it all.--Cato 21:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Some sections seem to be whole or massive copies. It should be trimmed. Our standard is "up to 10 quotes from an episode". Also this article contains too innate quotes in my opinion. A wide clean-up is necessary. Zeldabalooney2006, if you are interested in cleaning up, please go ahead. Trim it down into more reasonable shape! --Aphaia 04:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some sections like The Deputation and Granpuff contain all quotes (except the said part). Can I remove them or shall I leave them? Zeldabalooney2006 03:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed some similar "whole copies" and trimmed some down. We should remove them, unless we are going to trim them down. Otherwise it is a blatant copyright violation. --Aphaia 05:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Do any of you mind if I split this article into Seasons (for example, Thomas and Friends - Season 2)? TobytheTramEngine 17:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. However, as for section, I recommend you to follow the standard scheme of the project: see also Wikiquote:Templates/TV shows.--Aphaia 08:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Does it mean I will have to copy the content onto the page I am going to edit (for example, Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends/Season 1)? TobytheTramEngine 04:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean we have to divide the current page into subpages (I think it is not so much huge right now), rather divide it into sections by Seasons and subsections by Episodes. I don't oppose however to divide it as you mentioned, either. --Aphaia 10:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the lyrics sang by the trucks. Is it copyright violation or is it those kinda song lyrics don't count? TobytheTramEngine 19:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm I feel unease about it, but I am not a laywer. It might be a serious problem, so I would like to invite more wide audience. I'll try to take attention of the community on WQ:VP. --Aphaia 14:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The fair use analysis is unchanged by the fact that the text used comes in rhyming couplets. If this is a song, our rationale to use it actually becomes stronger, as we are presenting only the words, and not the music, thus an even lesser portion of the "work" as a whole. Cheers! BD2412T 14:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that raises a good question. Is there case law that supports the idea that complete lyrics can be considered "fair use", given that they are arguably half the content of a song, and would therefore seem to violate the "amount and substantiality" clause? We've been operating on this basis for quite a while. I would think Ira Gershwin, Julie Gold, Roma Ryan, and many other famous lyricists would find unacceptable the idea that their complete contributions to songs are de minimis use of those songs. Considering our medium, too, lyrics are the only significant part, so I would expect an argument that entire-lyrics quoting here would be a blatant copyvio. ~ Jeff Q(talk) 13:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)