How can you be Olympic champion when you don’t even try the quad? If you’re going to take the quad out, why not take out another triple axel and just have more of the other stuff so the International Skating Union can make it more into an “art” recital.

The lack of a quad in Lysacek's programs is not even the real issue with me. It's the fact that the American media is trying to put into people's heads that a well-rounded, balanced, musical, choreographically pleasing skater won Olympic gold and I don't believe that is what happened at all. Evan Lysacek is not and never will be a skater like Jeffrey Buttle, a quad-less skater who otherwise is very well-balanced. It's sickening for me to see anyone try and compare the two of them because Buttle is SO MUCH BETTER! Lysacek is NOT an artist on the ice!

a jump shouldn't determine the placement of a skater, it's the performance that should.
plushenko's long program was ridiculously bland. he did a quad combo, yes, but that lysacek did a combination plus a jump to make up for that.
especially with plushenkos disgusting landings, the medal belonged to evan.

footwork wise -
plushenko did his frivolous, nonsensical, crazy footwork that is difficult to do but totally irrelevant. he even managed to sneak is a few blowing kisses and arrogant moves.
lysacek USED the music, played the program, used his body to go through that sequence thus earning more points technically AND for interpretation.

yeah, taking out the quad isn't progress overall in the sport but....elvis, do the math, go do more ice shows, i dont need your sass. go wallow with your two silver medals.

The lack of a quad in Lysacek's programs is not even the real issue with me. It's the fact that the American media is trying to put into people's heads that a well-rounded, balanced, musical, choreographically pleasing skater won Olympic gold and I don't believe that is what happened at all. Evan Lysacek is not and never will be a skater like Jeffrey Buttle, a quad-less skater who otherwise is very well-balanced. It's sickening for me to see anyone try and compare the two of them because Buttle is SO MUCH BETTER! Lysacek is NOT an artist on the ice!

Thank you! Precisely my point. All we hear is Lysacek the all round skater being repeated over and over again when he is anything but! Tight jumps, low jumps, an absolutely appalling 3A that would have been scored down a million times by now if he wasn't the US lead guy, no artistry whatsoever as he never follows the music, obviously skating by the numbers, same spins seen a million times before, average footwork and absolutely no balls!

in a way he is right--why the women triple/triples even though they ur and wrong edge won over artistry of michelle the men in old days
did quads -not what to stop the men from even doing triple axel and just focusting on doing easy jumps and cleaning up jumps(i have no problem with ) but focus on those and doing more artistry.
why might as well take away the older gold medalist-evan skated slow and methoidcal a little more artistry than evgeny but not much also the calling out by us judge joe iman-and impacted how-guess who won-evan -why us told other judges to specially watch for evgeny did the us judge tell the other judges to specifically watch for evan NO-
what happened in 1998 did they tell the other judges to watch for tara wrong edge, ur and bobbles, no they stated to look out jfor her tirple triple even if she does it wrong, sarah no-but did they jtell you to look out for michelle landings sure--both in 1998 and 2002
does it tel lthat publci that they rigged it can, yes we knew they did but we didn't know howo-now we know and can see how, with the internet and you tube is figure skating going to thrive with rigged scoring, rigged judging, judges calling out.
did evan win because of the skate or because they wante frank to have the gold medal more?

The lack of a quad in Lysacek's programs is not even the real issue with me. It's the fact that the American media is trying to put into people's heads that a well-rounded, balanced, musical, choreographically pleasing skater won Olympic gold and I don't believe that is what happened at all. Evan Lysacek is not and never will be a skater like Jeffrey Buttle, a quad-less skater who otherwise is very well-balanced. It's sickening for me to see anyone try and compare the two of them because Buttle is SO MUCH BETTER! Lysacek is NOT an artist on the ice!

I think Elvis saw a different skating comp. than 1795, Scotty, Sandra, Jamie, Dick and I saw. In Scotty's words, GOE GOE GOE. Plushy's jumps were poor and it is a tribute to him he didnt fall on three of those turkeys. P.'s interpretation, performance /exection and skating skills scores were beyond belief. He has no musical interpretation ability. He could have skated that number to "Mary had a little lamb". How did he tie Evan in PC? In Jamie Sale's words, “I don’t buy his skating, his artistry, and I don’t (buy) the marks he receives. His skating is not believable.” Dick Button talks about P's arm flailing between jumps.
Sorry Elvis, but when three gold medalist say P is all hat and no cowboy, I have to listen. I have to think the fix was in. Anyone know who the judges were?

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Originally Posted by CoyoteChris

I think Elvis saw a different skating comp. than 1795, Scotty, Sandra, Jamie, Dick and I saw. In Scotty's words, GOE GOE GOE. Plushy's jumps were poor and it is a tribute to him he didnt fall on three of those turkeys. P.'s interpretation, performance /exection and skating skills scores were beyond belief. He has no musical interpretation ability. He could have skated that number to "Mary had a little lamb". How did he tie Evan in PC? In Jamie Sale's words, “I don’t buy his skating, his artistry, and I don’t (buy) the marks he receives. His skating is not believable.” Dick Button talks about P's arm flailing between jumps.
Sorry Elvis, but when three gold medalist say P is all hat and no cowboy, I have to listen. I have to think the fix was in. Anyone know who the judges were?

I agree. I think that the only reason Plushenko landed some of those jumps was because he really has the strength to do so...the landings were very shaky....which frankly surprised me since he says his programs are all about the jumps. I might be wrong but I believe that I read that Evan actually beat Plushenko on the technical mark!!

De-lurking after a long period of hanging around reading to say nice article by Elvis and thanks for posting it.

Originally Posted by 1795

lysacek USED the music, played the program, used his body to go through that sequence thus earning more points technically AND for interpretation.

I'm afraid "used the music" is the perfect descriptive phrase for what Lysacek did. (Too bad he didn't listen to it.) He worked the system. One admires his determination and will to improve but that's about all there is to be said. Depressing.