Some friends of mine made a trip to Worlds End and told me that they weren't allowed to get near the Sock , apparently there was some type of mining spill/accident. PA DEP is apparently keeping it hush hush , wouldn't want this in the news now would we?

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How is anyone going to take us serious when we call this a drilling accident when all it was is construction silt.

And H-A, No disrespect intended, but it doesn't look all that funny or unusual to me. Not good, but not funny or unusual.

It's the color of any low and nearly dry creek when you stir it up. It looks like the crick that flows through my property when it is very low and gets stirred up a little and it is normally gin clear.

With water that low and likely a little green from being slow and warm, it doesn't take much to cloud it up.

I'm sorry, but I don't see this as a huge deal. A single idiot on a 3 wheeler could cause that much.

The construction company should be cited for not controlling runoff, but contrary to the guy on the video, this was not destruction or systematic.

P.S. I changed the title on my response to at least match what apparently happened.

Posted on: 2012/9/12 7:53

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Bentonite is a naturally occuring clay that is grayish-green in color. Drop a handfull in a bucket of water and that is exactly what it will look like. With no flow it's not going to flush quickly but like the Farmer said it's not a big deal.

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Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2012/9/12 8:32

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It was low when I was there. And that's a helluva lot more than a drop in a bucket in my own humble opinion.

You can't even see an inch into the water where normally you can see down 10-15 feet in the swimming area at the park. The stream does not even contain silt in that the area of Worlds End. Its all hard bottom as you can clearly see in my short video. The video posted by H.A. looks pretty dramatic to me. Hopefully you know what you are talking about.

I have to admit that I'm not as concerned as I was yesterday before I knew some of the facts , but this is a lot more than just a little sludge in a stream that typically has no soot in it.

The fact that this wasn't reported to the news by state officials and that the park employee lied and said this "no advisories were issued to swimmers or campers at the park" is very concerning because I have 4 witnesses that would testify otherwise.

I know nothing about this creek or its current condition. However, silt/clay like this is harmful to trout spawning and macro habitat. There may be no short term problems (fish kill) but if such events are allowed to occur, the long term health of the stream could be impacted. So while it might not be 1000s of gallons of fracking water, if such events are not kept in check the fishery would decline.

It’s a tragedy, the world must know about it, and heads must roll when a contractor performing something unpopular like natural gas fracking has an accident not even associated with gas fracking (it was digging a trench for a pipeline) and gets some silt in a heavily stocked stream – national tragedy - yet nobody seems to care when TU puts heavy equipment in a world class wild trout stream for 4 weeks straight to redesign it in order to make it more easily fishable for the masses and in the process silts the freaken crap out of it downstream destroying lots of habitat and causing fish kills – that’s progress and habitat improvement.

I do not wish to inflame you further Geenweenie, but I must stick up for organizations like TU, and especially the LJRA, who do such work on streams. Every stream improvement I've been to, especially those of the LJRA, is not geared toward making a river easily fishable by the masses. It is about preventing riverbank erosion and preventing the production of more silt/mud during mid- to high water events. As secondary goal is to improve habitat near the site, but it is far from the motivation you hinted at in your post. The main goal of the work is to improve not just the immediate habitat, but that downstream which receives the silt/mud. All work needs to be justified beyond making fishing easy to get the permits and funding.You may know of other examples where the work is done only to make fishing easier, but that is not my experience in centre and blair counties. Perhaps you can list the examples where TU (or other organizations) stream improvements led to significant fish kills and a decline in the downstream fisheries.

welcome to my world this crap happens everyday, and no one reports it. there is a gag order on doctors, papers, and news channels up here..only 10 % of what is happening is getting out to you folks. the pipes when they are going under roads and streams are coated in a mud/mineral oil to slide better. And you say this mud is ok !!! same thing has happened to a small wild stream a trib to pine and no news got out, you should smell the stuff.....heavy in a oil/petreolum smell, but thats ok its mud thats what they keep saying..