i would have just gone with a detection tool for the right output and the size settings

08:35

<Gadi>

doesn't regular xorg do that?

08:35

* ogra wonders if anyone would ever use rotate, reflect etc

08:36

<Gadi>

well, with this, you could do: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "VGA --left-of LVDS"

08:36

crap like that

08:36

<ogra>

xrandr 1280x600

08:36

<Gadi>

and have multihead for free

08:36

<ogra>

thats what you do with standard X

08:36

<Gadi>

ah

08:36

<ogra>

multihead wnt work without xorg.conf

08:36

<Gadi>

thats not true

08:36

<ogra>

you need the "Virtual" option for it

08:36

<Gadi>

some drivers support it with xrandr

08:37

are you sure thats true for all drivers?

08:37

<ogra>

yes, without it it will automatically clone the displays

08:37

<Gadi>

ah

08:38

I guess it has to preallocate the memory

08:38

<ogra>

for a merged mode "Virtual" is needed with the proper size of the full desktop you want

08:38

<Gadi>

xrandr cannot do color depth, right?

08:38

that requires a xorg.conf as well

08:39

can "Virtual" be passed on the Xorg command line?

08:39

it would be nice not to require the conf file

08:39

<ogra>

i doubt that, but i'll ask the Xorg team later if they are up

08:40

<Gadi>

I guess we could have a xorg.conf for just the driver section

08:41

or some such

08:41

<ogra>

well, Virtual sits in the Screen section

08:41

<Gadi>

ah

08:41

<ogra>

so you need Display, Driver and Screen sections

08:41

<Gadi>

and virtual should be in both screen sections for dualhead?

08:42

<ogra>

no

08:42

only once

08:43

<Gadi>

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2

08:43

got it

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<ogra>

oh, right, its Display, not Screen

08:44

<Gadi>

well, Display within Screen

08:44

so you're right both ways ;)

08:44

<ogra>

heh

08:44

well, so back to your script

08:45

the main issue is that we should autodetect the available outputs and the available modes for them

08:45

<Gadi>

right

08:45

which xrandr does

08:45

<ogra>

right just a call to xrandr and parsing the output properly should do

08:45

<Gadi>

and we should probably configure multihead if both monitors are connected

08:45

(if possible)

08:46

<ogra>

then we always should default to the default screen/output if the user doesnt override

08:46

and if a wrong mode is selected fall back to the best mode

08:46

<Gadi>

well, a lot of that behavior is default behavior of xrandr

08:46

especially if we run: xrandr --auto

08:46

but even without it

08:46

<ogra>

but wasnt tested in ltsp context yet

08:46

so we need to make sure it works

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<ogra>

i'd like to see something that calls xrandr --auto early in jaunty though

08:47

<Gadi>

will a call to xrandr --auto do anything different than a default Xorg with no conf file?

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<ogra>

no idea, thats what i'd like to find out

08:52

<Nubae>

ogra: did u get my edubuntu background? wasnt sure who to send it to, so sorry if I clogged your mail...

08:53

<ogra>

Nubae, well, its to late for intrepid but its sweet

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<Nubae>

shame there is no prancing penguin release or some such :D

08:56

<PiIgrim>

howdy all, question .. what is wrong in what configs if the client boots and it's loading /tftpboot/bzimage ... and keeps putting points slowly, very slowly ... as in .. in 20 minutes 6 points

08:56

?

08:56

dots ..

09:04

<cliebow>

Pilgrim:did you try with a croossover to eliminate network idiosyncrasies?

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09:46

<sbalneav>

Morning all

09:47

<Gadi>

!s

09:47

<ltspbot>

Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09:47

<sbalneav>

hey hey hey

09:47

<alkisg>

morning sbalneav!

09:47

ogra, about the HOSTNAME we were talking the other day, it's just fine as it is after all. ipconfig calls sethostname() and the script then correctly reads it from /proc/sys/kernel/hostname. So it *works* with kernel parameter ip=:::::hostname::, but it doesn't work (and it shouldn't!!!) with HOSTNAME=xxxx.

09:48

<ogra>

ah, great

09:48

<alkisg>

Does anyone know which script reads lts.conf?

09:48

<ogra>

thanks for investigating :)

09:48

!s

09:48

<ltspbot>

ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09:48

<alkisg>

(I mean the parsing)

09:48

<ogra>

alkisg, no script, its a C binary called getltscgf

09:48

*cfg

09:48

<alkisg>

Uh... how can I investigate why it doesn't read the [hostname] section?

09:49

(if the hostname is passed as a kernel parameter, but I don't think it should matter)

09:49

<Gadi>

alkisg: does "hostname" in a shell match the hostname in lts.conf exactly?

09:49

after boot

09:50

<ogra>

might be that it doesnt go into /etc/hosts

09:50

<alkisg>

Gadi, yes

09:50

ogra, it does! :(

09:50

127.0.0.2 hostname

09:50

<ogra>

ah, i guess loopback isnt up by then

09:51

<Gadi>

alkisg: do: getltscfg <param>

09:51

from a shell

09:51

<alkisg>

Gadi, thanks, that's what I needed!!! :)

09:54

<prpplague>

anyone here from the early early days of ltsp?

09:56

<Gadi>

prpplague: how early is early?

09:56

I'm circa LTSP 3.0

09:56

:)

09:57

<prpplague>

Gadi: there was a predecessor to ltspcfg, but i can't recall the name of it

09:57

<Gadi>

u mean a predecessor to getltscfg?

09:57

ltspcfg was the script on the server

09:57

for configuring server procs

09:59

<prpplague>

ahh yep that was it, thanks

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<cliebow>

Gadi:Can i borrow your cane?

10:07

<Gadi>

hehe

10:07

only if youre able

10:07

(sorry - biblical humor ;) )

10:07

<cliebow>

hee hee

10:07

wrng cain

10:07

<Gadi>

wrong abel ;)

10:07

<cliebow>

wooo.this is going downhill fast

10:08

<Gadi>

that's what he said

10:08

<cliebow>

i get my religion from thre woods elves..

10:09

<Gadi>

better than from the garden gnomes

10:09

<cliebow>

weehhee!

10:10

got to get the last incompletew sentence in here

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<sbalneav>

Sorry, but the last incomplete sentence belo

10:28

<cliebow>

hah

10:29

<sbalneav>

h

10:29

(let's see you do half a letter, smart guy :)

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<sbalneav>

So, point of order we need to debate, and come up with proper procedure on.

10:31

When putting a smiley at the end of a parenthesized remark, does the "smile" count as the closing parenthesis? Or is another parenthesis needed to close the remark, and if so, how much white space should appear between the smiley, and the closing parenthesis

10:31

So:

10:31

(This is a remark :)

10:31

or

10:31

(This is a remark :))

10:31

Or

10:31

(This is a remark :) )

10:32

* ogra usually goes with the latter

10:32

<sbalneav>

Inquiring minds want to know.

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10:32

<ogra>

to distinguish the smiley from a double chin smiley :)

10:33

<sbalneav>

So, like, when I'm smiling, say :)

10:33

<loather>

the midle one

10:33

<sbalneav>

:) ) <- Smiley at end of comment

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10:33

<sbalneav>

:)) Scott Smiling

10:33

<ogra>

lol

10:33

<sbalneav>

:|) Scott Neutral

10:33

:() Scott Frowney

10:33

<loather>

see, i grew a beard to cover my fatass face :)

10:34

<sbalneav>

My wife won't let me :()

10:34

<loather>

mine encouraged it

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10:35

<sbalneav>

So, we have one vote for :)), and one for :) )

10:35

Any other comments from the floor?

10:35

<loather>

it grows fast though, so i should have a full unix beard by the end of the year. we'll see how long i can tolerate it.

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<sbalneav>

Gadi: Surely you have some thoughts on this burning issue of national, nay, global importance?

10:37

cliebow: As a beareded member of our merry band of tricksters, do you have any thoughts on this subject?

10:38

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10:38

<Appiah>

Does anyone have experince or a howto on setting "global settings" on OpenOffice for all users on a server?

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<sbalneav>

Yes! I do, as a metter of fact.

10:41

Appiah: There's no howto, and quite frankly, the way I do it is probably completely wrong, but I haven't been able to find any resources on a better way to accomplish it.

10:41

Here's what I do:

10:42

<Appiah>

I could figure out a couple ways but they feel "wrong" too

10:42

It adds extra administration if I wanna add a new user ... etc

10:42

<sbalneav>

As a "clean" user (i.e. no previous .openoffice.org2 directory in their home dir) I set up OO.o the way I want.

So, if you put that one file in /usr/lib/thunderbird/isp, people running thunderbird for the first time get an option in the account setup for "Legal Aid Manitoba Email", they pick that, and all defaults are set up.

10:54

hold on, I'll paste the user.js as well

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10:56

<ltsppbot>

"sbalneav" pasted "user.js" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/78

10:56

<sbalneav>

that defaults the home page, proxy, no disk cache, etc.

10:57

it's got no effect against people who already HAVE their firfox or thunderbird set up, but it does make sure that NEW users get a proper default config.

10:58

OpenOffice.org REALLY needs to get some admin tools. It's a great single user tool right now, but deploying it in multiuser environments is a PITA right now.

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<sbalneav>

No real support for things like deploying custom configs, setting global styles, etc.

10:59

What they need is a command line registry tool, like gconftool-2 that allows admins to set user, default, and mandatory settings

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<cliebow>

`

11:03

sorry..doing actual work..

11:03

<johnny>

that's sabayon sbalneav ..

11:04

err.. guess that's not cli..

11:04

but it does have specifics for open office configs

11:05

<sbalneav>

Sabayon does openoffice stuff?

11:05

<johnny>

i think the whole usage of ~..config is going to help deploy configs now that all gnomeish apps are moving in that direction

11:05

<sbalneav>

Since when?

11:05

<johnny>

since awhile

11:05

over ay ear

11:05

i didn't get to do much this cycle, since the gio bindings for python were non existant during almost the entire cycle :(

11:06

plus i just didn't have time :(

11:06

<sbalneav>

How's it doing it, seeing as how OpenOffice doesn't do gconf?

11:06

<johnny>

still using a .ooo directory or whatever

11:06

but it knows how to parse the ooo config

11:06

and generate one

11:06

it also has specifics for firefox

11:06

but not for thunderbird

11:06

altho it should

11:07

it will be a great day as more apps move to .local, .cache, and .config directories :)

11:07

much easier to handle

11:07

f-spot will use it during the next release

11:07

i wish i could get some sort of fundage to work on these kinda issues :(

11:08

we also need another config file for storage of the profiles :(

11:09

i'd say that's the biggest blocker..

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11:09

<johnny>

for sabayon

11:09

it's zip files.. since tar doesn't let you pull out only specific files

I'll have to test that and see if it works. I was doing so much stuff outside of sabayon, because we deploy custom macro packages, custom toolbars, etc. within Ooo, which sabayon didn't handle, that I just started doing everything with gconf.

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<sbalneav>

since it didn't make sense to do half the config in one tool, and half at the command line.

11:12

<jammcq>

hello friends

11:12

<sbalneav>

Hey jammcq

11:13

<jammcq>

Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11:13

<sbalneav>

johnny: So, the config parsing tool within sabayon, is that integrated within sabayon, or is it a standalone part that can be called from the command line?

11:22

<cliebow>

i only sort a beard cause im to lazy to shave..

11:22

/sort/sport

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<Gadi>

sorry, sbalneav, was working :P

11:24

but, there's my answer to smileys - just stick out ur tongue

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* cliebow cliebow waits for an oomlaut (sic)

11:29

<ogra>

ÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ

11:29

there you got some :)

11:30

or ääääää üüüüüüü ... if you prefer these

11:31

<cliebow>

the latter

11:31

;-]

11:37

<johnny>

sbalneav, it uses the standard openoffice dialog i think.. it's not cli

11:38

it just allows you to store the result in teh profile

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<Gadi>

johnny: you can pull specific files from tar

11:56

it was designed for that

11:58

<sbalneav>

So, in the end, it's the same thing I'm doing. Just copying files around.

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<gate_keeper_>

still having lo huge traffic problem

12:34

while running applications

12:34

couple of Mbits per user

12:36

6011 ports

12:36

x11

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<gate_keeper_>

any ideas?

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<cliebow>

hrriumph

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<sbalneav>

I like how gatekeeper only hung around for 20 minutes

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<cliebow>

sbalneav:should i know of him

13:23

?

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<sbalneav>

Nah, I'm just always surprised to see people who don't seem to understand the "ask a question, idle 3 hours" rule.

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<dberkholz>

seriously.

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<Appiah>

If i'd like to share some "best practices" solutions and have people dicuss about them , helping, imporoving them togheter, is there a place for that on the Wiki?

13:35

or some forum?

13:36

<ogra>

the mailing list

13:37

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss

13:37

<Appiah>

thanks

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<jarias>

hello

14:07

<Basti_dash>

hello

14:07

<cosf>

hello

14:07

<Lns>

hello

14:07

<ogra>

hello

14:08

<jarias>

we are trying to reduce de ubuntu instalator steps

14:09

and...we are using preseed

14:10

the CD was created, but it's not bootable

14:11

sorry about my really bad english :P but we are from #EdulinuxChile a Chilean Edubuntu based distribution

14:12

maybe this isn't the channel to this question...but what is??

14:13

<ogra>

jarias, probably #ubuntu-installer ...

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<jarias>

thx!

14:14

we are going there right now

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<Robert33>

Good afternoon

14:38

<cliebow>

ho!

14:39

<Robert33>

Is anyone here is LTSP on OpenSuse or SLES?

14:40

<cliebow>

rjune has been sledding..

14:41

<Robert33>

I have been trying to get it to work, but on OpenSuse everytime I try and build my own netboot image I get an error when the client boots that the kernel versions do not match

14:42

<johnny>

cyberorg is the person who knows about it

14:42

with kiwi-ltsp

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<Robert33>

Thanks johnny

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14:44

<Gadi>

Robert33: did you follow: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP

14:44

doh

14:44

!opensuse

14:44

<ltspbot>

Gadi: Error: "opensuse" is not a valid command.

14:44

<Gadi>

!kiwi-ltsp

14:44

<ltspbot>

Gadi: Error: "kiwi-ltsp" is not a valid command.

14:45

<cliebow>

!hellsbells

14:45

<Gadi>

!learn opensuse http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP

14:45

<ltspbot>

cliebow: Error: "hellsbells" is not a valid command.

14:45

Gadi: Invalid arguments for learn.

14:45

<Gadi>

!help learn

14:45

<ltspbot>

Gadi: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.

i dont want dhcp running on the ltsp server, as i have one on another server, how can i go about getting it to connect

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<Gadi>

well, you could configure the other ltsp server with the porper directives

15:02

*proper

15:02

next-server, filename, etc

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<Gadi>

crap- gotta run

15:03

ciao

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<alkisg>

babyhuey, can you insert next-server, filename and root-path to the other server?

15:11

vagrantc, hostname works fine after all, it just needs to be set with ip=<ip>:<server>:<gw>:<mask>:<hostname>:<nic>:none (and not with a HOSTNAME=xxx param like I was trying...). I was able to succesfully boot clients this way, I only had to copy lts.conf to /var/lib/tftpboot. Thanks!!!

15:11

<vagrantc>

alkisg: ah, good.

15:11

<alkisg>

So don't change anything, it works fine!!! :)

15:12

<vagrantc>

yeah, the way klibc's ipconfig parses the ip parameter is awesome :)

15:12

makes everything really easy.

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<babyhuey>

hmm, got that setup but now it isnt booting the tftp

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<alkisg>

babyhuey, you put the needed parameters to your other dhcp server?

15:13

<babyhuey>

option option-128 i see that, but dont know what that is for

15:13

and option-129

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<alkisg>

Your other dhcp server is a linux one? You'll need a filename, no option-128 and 129...

15:14

<babyhuey>

that was how it was originally set up

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<babyhuey>

i got PXE-T01: File not found

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<alkisg>

On which server? You have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 in your "other" server?

15:16

Or you made it point to the ltsp one?

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<babyhuey>

yea, there is a pxelinux.0

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<alkisg>

OK, you have (1) a linux-based dhcp server and (2) an ltsp server, right? Can you paste (in ltsp pastebot) the dhcpd.conf from the dhcp server?

15:18

!pastebot

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<ltspbot>

alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.