Tuesday, July 04, 2006

HISTORY

4th of July 2006
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By: Raymond S. Kraft,

This is very well written U.S. history. It explains a lot! Please take the time to read it. If you are an advocate or opponent of the war in Iraq you should read, not skim over, this very well written perspective. To skim over it would do yourself an injustice!!!!!!!!! Most people these days know very little about history. This may help in understanding what we're up against.

History
Here is a post from a California lawyer that seems to present the "Big Picture"" in just the right manner.. This is something all Americans should read!!

A California Lawyer's Perspective on Iraq War:

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.

Bushido Japan had overrun most of Asia, beginning in 1928, killing millions of civilians throughout China, and impressing millions more as slave labor.

The US was in an isolationist, pacifist, mood, and most Americans and Congress wanted nothing to do with the European war, or the Asian war.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

** Correction to above paragraph **

US Historical Documents:

US Declaration of War against Germany
December 11 1941
The President's message:
On the morning of Dec. 11 the Government of Germany, pursuing its course of world conquest, declared war against the United States.

France was not an ally, the Vichy government of France aligned with its German occupiers. Germany was not an ally, it was an enemy, and Hitler intended to set up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, it was intent on owning and controlling all of Asia. Japan and Germany had long-term ideas of invading Canada and Mexico, and then the United States over the north and south borders, after they had settled control of Asia and Europe.

America's allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia, and that was about it. There were no other countries of any size or military significance with the will and ability to contribute much or anything to the effort to defeat Hitler's Germany and Japan, and prevent the global dominance of Nazism. And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots, because NONE of them could produce all they needed for themselves.

All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the east, was already under the Nazi heel.

America was not prepared for war. America had stood down most of its military after WWI and throughout the depression, at the outbreak of WWII there were army units training with broomsticks over their shoulders because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank" painted on the doors because they didn't have tanks. And a big chunk of our navy had just been sunk and damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England that was the property of Belgium and was given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler - actually, Belgium surrendered one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day anyway just to prove they could. Britain had been holding out for two years already in the face of staggering shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later and turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse in the late summer of 1940.

Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow, 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a million soldiers. More than a million.

Had Russia surrendered, then, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire campaign against the Brits, then America, and the Nazis would have won that war.

Had Hitler not made that mistake and invaded England in 1940 or 1941, instead, there would have been no England for the US and the Brits to use as a staging ground to prepare an assault on Nazi Europe, England would not have been able to run its North African campaign to help take a little pressure off Russia while America geared up for battle, and today Europe would very probably be run by the Nazis, the Third Reich, and, isolated and without any allies (not even the Brits), the US would very probably have had to cede Asia to the Japanese, who were basically Nazis by another name then, and the world we live in today would be very different and much worse. I say this to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. And we are at another one.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world, unless they are prevented from doing so.

France, Germany, and Russia, have been selling them weapons technology at least as recently as 2002, as have North Korea, Syria, and Pakistan, paid for with billions of dollars Saddam Hussein skimmed from the "Oil For Food" program administered by the UN with the complicity of Kofi Annan and his son.

The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs - they believe that Islam, a radically conservative (definitely not liberal!) form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world, and that all who do not bow to Allah should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, purge the world of Jews. This is what they say.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East - for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation today, but it is not yet known which will win - the Inquisition, or the Reformation.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, and the OPEC oil, and the US, European, and Asian economies, the techno-industrial economies, will be at the mercy of OPEC - not an OPEC dominated by the well-educated and rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.

You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want jobs? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. We cannot do it nowhere. And we cannot do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle now at the time and place of our choosing, in Iraq.

Not in New York, not in London, or Paris, or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we did and are doing two very important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad guys there and the ones we get there we won't have to get here, or anywhere else. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

The European nations could have done this, but they didn't, and they won't. The so-called "Coalition Forces" are, in most cases, little more than a "Token Force" to keep face with the US. And once attacked, like the train bombing in Madrid, they pull their forces and run for home. We now know that rather than opposing the rise of the Jihad, the French, Germans, and Russians were selling them arms - we have found more than a million tons of weapons and munitions in Iraq. If Iraq was not a threat to anyone, why did Saddam need a million tons of weapons? And Iraq was paying for French, German, and Russian arms with money skimmed from the UN Oil For Food Program (supervised by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and his son) that was supposed to pay for food, medicine, and education, for Iraqi children.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 - a 17 year war - and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again . a 27 year war.

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GDP - adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars, WWII cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.

[The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $180 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost over 2,300 American lives, which is roughly 2/3 of the lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.] But the cost of not fighting and winning WWII would have been unimaginably greater - a world now dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.

Americans have a short attention span, now, conditioned I suppose by 1 hour TV shows and 2-hour movies in which everything comes out okay.

The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain,and sometimes bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.

If we do this thing in Iraq successfully, it is probable that the Reformation will ultimately prevail. Many Muslims in the Middle East hope it will. We will be there to support it. It has begun in some countries, Libya, for instance. And Dubai. And Saudi Arabia. If we fail, the Inquisition will probably prevail, and terrorism from Islam will be with us for all the foreseeable future, because the Inquisition, or Jihad, believes they are called by Allah to kill all the Infidels, and that death in Jihad is glorious.

The bottom line here is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away on its own. It will not go away if we ignore it.

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an "England" in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war. And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless we prevent them. Or somebody does.

The Iraq war is expensive, and uncertain, yes. But the consequences of not fighting it and winning it will be horrifically greater. We have four options -

1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

4. Or we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier then.

Yes, the Jihadis say that they look forward to an Islamic America. If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.

We can be defeatist peace-activists as anti-war types seem to be, and concede, surrender, to the Jihad, or we can do whatever it takes to win this war against them.

The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

In the 20th century, it was Western democracy vs. communism, and before that Western democracy vs. Nazism, and before that Western democracy vs. German Imperialism. Western democracy won, three times, but it wasn't cheap, fun, nice, easy, or quick. Indeed, the wars against German Imperialism (WWI), Nazi Imperialism (WWII), and communist imperialism (the 40-year Cold War that included the Vietnam Battle, commonly called the Vietnam War, but itself a major battle in a larger war) covered almost the entire century.

The first major war of the 21st Century is the war between Western Judeo/Christian Civilization and Wahhabi Islam. It may last a few more years, or most of this century. It will last until the Wahhabi branch of Islam fades away, or gives up its ambitions for regional and global dominance and Jihad, or until Western Civilization gives in to the Jihad.

Senator John Kerry, in the debates and almost daily, makes 3 scary claims:

1. We went to Iraq without enough troops.

We went with the troops the US military wanted. We went with the troop levels General Tommy Franks asked for. We deposed Saddam in 30 days with light casualties, much lighter than we expected.

The real problem in Iraq is that we are trying to be nice - we are trying to fight minority of the population that is Jihadi, and trying to avoid killing the large majority that is not. We could flatten Fallujah in minutes with a flight of B52s, or seconds with one nuclear cruise missile - but we don't. We're trying to do brain surgery, not amputate the patient's head. The Jihadis amputate heads.

2. We went to Iraq with too little planning.

This is a specious argument. It supposes that if we had just had "the right plan" the war would have been easy, cheap, quick, and clean.

That is not an option. It is a guerrilla war against a determined enemy, and no such war ever has been or ever will be easy, cheap, quick, and clean. This is not TV.

3. We proved ourselves incapable of governing and providing security.

This too is a specious argument. It was never our intention to govern and provide security. It was our intention from the beginning to do just enough to enable the Iraqis to develop a representative government and their own military and police forces to provide their own security, and that is happening. The US and the Brits and other countries there have trained over 100,000 Iraqi police and military, now, and will have trained more than 200,000 by the end of next year. We are in the process of transitioning operational control for security back to Iraq.

It will take time. It will not go with no hitches. This is not TV.

Remember, perspective is everything, and America's schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.

The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany.

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.

The US has taken more than 2,000 KIA in Iraq in 3 years. The US took more than 4,000 Killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism. In WWII the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years. Most of the individual battles of WWII lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

But the stakes are at least as high . . . a world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms . or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).

I do not understand why the American Left does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis. In America, absolutely, but nowhere else.

300,000 Iraqi bodies in mass graves in Iraq are not our problem. The US population is about twelve times that of Iraq, so let's multiply 300,000 by twelve. What would you think if there were 3,600,000 American bodies in mass graves in America because of George Bush? Would you hope for another country to help liberate America?

Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea, in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?

The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.

If the Jihad wins, it is the death of Liberalism. Everywhere the Jihad wins, it is the death of Liberalism. And American Liberals just don't get it.

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Raymond S. Kraft is a writer and lawyer living in Northern California. Please consider passing along copies of this to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful TODAY - - history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts and truth of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.

reb This is the best article written on this subject it has been my unique pleasure to read. I hope you find the avenue to get this into as many hands as is possible ,and just maybe a few will read it with the interest and appreciation as I did. Keep up the good work and I wish you continued success. hbc

(The Editor of this blog deems it necessary to add significant dates of major historical importance tothis world-widening War).

03/11/04 Madrid RR bombs kill 199civilians, injure 700, and cause the political defeat of PM Aznar, replacing him with Socialist Zapatero, who immediately called for withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq. Score one for Jihad!

07/07/05 London train/bus bombs kill 52 British civilians, many injured.

10/26/05 Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinjad declares Isreali must be "Wiped Off The Map!"

07/11/06 Mumbai, India (Bombay). This is the Industrial/Business heart of this nation, with a population of 16 million. Today, its RR system suffered 8 bombs, killing over 200, and injury to500 more.

No word at this time from ourhomegrown Peace Activists; Stay tuned. reb

Yes, this blogsite would agree thatgiving the perspective of History to ALL citizens is the Ideal, but for now the best hope is for ourSnake Hunters Readership to assistin this matter by Forwarding to family members, and to valued friends. Thanks, Ray! reb

"Frisco Cindy" attacks this Editor,not here, where S.H. readership cananalyse carefully her words, but on her own, more secure blogsite:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Snake Hunter sounds genuine, but he is a racist. He has a blog and website that is full of racist innuendo,(reference King Hammurabi)and it all started there and that it is "in the genes". Another refr:"Mesopotamian Minds." that will be taken over by religious fanatics". His racist view slips through, andyou can connect the dots."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Editors Note: Cindy seems to havea gift for quoting Out of Context.My words were "The Great King", andextolled this brilliant leadershipfor giving the world the First Written Law (Rules Governing Conduct). Babylon was a highly developed society in 1800 B.C. (Thelarge etched black stone with the Kings Code can be viewed by all today at the Louvre, in Paris.

History records the Extreme Violencewith Head Chopping & Amputation asa tool of that Law Enforcement. Grim stuff that is woven into thePious Quran at a much later date.(Note the Wahhabi in Saudi Arabia.)

This legasy of extreme violence continues, see Genesis 16, where Muslim hero and Hagar's son Ishmael (According to the 'Angel of the Lord' prophesied) "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone... and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers".(Genetic?)

Today, we witness the fulfilling of the prophesy, with Sunni & Shi'ablowing up the others Holy Mosques in the "holiest" of locations.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The study of History does notautomatically make one a RACIST.

I would encourage "Frisco Cindy" to learn more about the Birthplace of Civilization before indulging inpointless name-calling. reb

Peace! Peace! Peace! Grab A Sign! That should scare the hell out ofthose bad old Terrorists wearingbomb-packs! Get Us Out of Iraq! Support the U.N, and Stop The Bombs, Yyaaaaaaaaa! (My Howard DeanImitation).

Sorry, I just got carried away, but I live near Oregon/Washington"Lib" border, so No-Name, just J.

If only this history lesson were taught in our public schools, along with details of the Civil and Revolutionary Wars.... Of course, that might not leave time to cover off on the plight of American women in the 20th century, or the significance of Kwanzaa. No kidding - these subjects are covered in detail, the real history is barely touched!!

Interesting article. You are right. I am a 25 year old female and I didn't know a lot of the stuff there. I may have been absentminded in class but I don't remember much being said about out war history. Actually, from what I remember we just kind of breezed over all subjects in our history classes. I am happy that I had the opportunity to learn a little more about our nation and the world around us.

French leader Jacques Chirac hasissued a striking statement today that "IRAN could prove to be aStablizing Influence in the MiddleEast." Question: Is that before orafter Ahmadinejad enriches his Uranium Stash?

So, should we be so lais-sez-faire as to sip French wine, and Vladimir Putin's Vodka, when these two nations so highly value the business contacts with the psycho- killer nations like Iran? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~August 10th British MI-5, inco-operation with Pakastani Intel and U.S. National Security Agencyfoiled a plot to blow up tenpassenger aircraft in mid-Atlanticflight to the U.S. Twenty-four Jihad terrorists are facing someintense questioning tonight.

If successful, this latest eventcould easily have snuffed out thelives of 3,000 innocent civilians,equalling the loss suffered on September 11, 2001 in New York.

Very informative, it makes me think twice about the war in Iraq. I now see how the war could be a foundation for providing some sort of international security against the Jihad. Although I feel the article only gives a perspective and that doesn't change the fact that the War was supposedly initiated because of 9/11 under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. It seems like the troops who have been shipped over there don't know who the real enemies are or their main objective. They are fighting everyone and no one because of the little pockets of terrorists groups scattered around the area and not a definite force like the Nazis or Japan, so in looking at it like that it feels like very little progress is being made. Perhaps the war in Iraq was the thing to do, but isn't it possible that no real objective can be said because the war itself is a bit premature?

People in American are clueless because they are always taking what others tell them as truth instead of using their own brains. And the reason we are so ignorant to the outside world is because "educated" people put their opinions in a book and slap the word "history" on the cover. I am not disagreeing with you entirely; I just want to see that you are doing your readers justice by segregating your subjective from the objective.

In response to your last comment, your words remind me of the Red Scare, rhetoric inspiring hysteria over nothing. I don’t' know much about Iran, so I can't really say anything about them, but if you want to point fingers at who is really crazy and causing many of our problems in the Middle East, their name begins with an I and ends with an L .

Your words saddens me. You saythat you don't know much aboutIran. You are not alone. TheShiite are the minority "party"in Muslim Culture, and yet...they speak for all Muslims!They are second to Saudi Arabiain Oil Reserves, they fund HAMAS,Hezbollah, Muqtada al Sadr Militiain Iraq. With Nuclear, they havestated publicly that they intendto "Wipe Isreal Off The Map".

America's inattention to Realityconcerns me. Political "Hot Air"frustrates this old soldier. I donot blame today's youngsters forthis dilemma. Their parents lackthe lessons of History. reb

Read why Adoph Hitler hated thesetalented people, Read why Muslimshate these people. It's becauseMohammed the First was jealous ofthe Moral Authority claimed byIsreal, so he authored a parallelbook, using many of the biblicalreferences in his Qur'an.

Editor's view: For today's student,it is absolutely vital that an alert and aware young person be fully informed about our level of involvementprior to, during, and after WWII, and the terror attacks and body-count incidental to November 4, 1979 (An Act of War),and each incident hereafter.

Given those realities, fewer ofour students would fall victimto the insidious propaganda byLeft-Wing "campus organizers", Hard-core Left professors, and enemies of our U.S. Constitution.reb

This post makes me sad for my generation; I know most of them, like myself, never learned this information in high school. History was an overview...glossed over to seem "nice" and "easy to swallow." Never once do I remember feeling really affected by the information. Since the beginning of this war, I have felt that we were in the wrong....that this was an agenda for Bush...much of these feelings due to skewed information I caught in brief blurbs on television and other media. This post has taken the essence of our past and condensed it into an easy to read and understand version of the truth. It puts a whole new spin on what we are doing and, more importantly, what we need to being doing. My generation is the future-the ones who will be making the big decisions for our country- This information should be required reading for graduation from high school, or at least before registering to vote...

Chelle! Your fine response was quite heart-warming, so I'll add a bit more Info for your friends to absorb.

SUNNI (Arab) are in the majority, about 85% in Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. and they fear SHIA Nuclear! Iran is Persian, Not Arab! Population about 69 Million. They control Hezbollah 'Party of God' in Lebanon, and Sadr Militia in Shiite areas of Iraq.

SHIA (Shiite)IRAN are 15% of the Islamic population, and are very close to their stated goal for Nuclear Capability to dominate all 600 Million now under Sharia Law in the Middle East. That's Power!

All Muslims are zealot victims of the Hate/Kill Culture of ISLAM. They even bomb each others Mosques!

They face Mecca, pray five times each day. The Jew is Small Satan, the USA is the Great Satan. We are in their eyes...Infidel, and deserve Death, Conversion to Islam or at least Enslavement! There's no room for negotiation with this Insanity.

They chop heads & hands, wrap bombson the kids, and fly airplanes intobuildings. The 12th Imam Prophesy is to bring a glorious Peace under Sharia, but only After Armegeddon.

I am so enthusiastic about thisWeblog, and wish to continue it,because I feel it expresses animportant message without the hatred & harmful intent so often found in the caustic/destructive forms of political discourse we seeon the nightly Tv News Chnnels...and in blogging.

Some thoughtful Comments are sokeenly worded, and add a specialflavor to my own efforts, that I amoverwhelmed & filled with respect for these 'faceless' commentators.

This happened recently. At times Itend to talk too much, to those I consider "friendlies", esp. collegeage adults.

In the future, I hope to adjust, improve, intrude less often, and retain a strict Middle Of The Road Political Posture.

My apologies for any perceived intrusion on a 'family' website.

Above all, I wish for...

A high-quality blogsite that Alerts& Informs, and retains its Integrity. reb~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

Great Read. Thanks for pointing me to this post. It is sad that our history classes, on any level, do not teach the sacrifice it tuely took to get to where whe are. Instead, they are more into their revisionist history lessons that teach a warped view of the way things were.

I will be passing his along to all. The truth is out there, as long as it is not reported on by the AP.

I was a Tripper & Tweaker. I fellfor the Hate Bush stuff. Still smoke weed, but your history postwas revealing stuff. I'm decidingto clean up my act. I am not a kid.I'm in my thirties. About time iguess. Randy

But I'm sure of one thing; you are only brave to still reviling and reviling without giving yourself the opportunity to understand.

You asked me to answer your questions, and what I did!!I answered all your questions. And what you did?!!You reviled me. How silly!!

How miserable to find a person who claim to believe in freedom of speech, and he still reviling and don't give himself a second to try to understand the other side.Shame liar claimers!! 9/3/2007>>>>>>>>Snake Hunters said:

Mohamed,

Thank you for finally returning tothis American Site where our viewers can judge whether your views have any validity.>>DO THIS, IF YOU WISH TO CONTINUE WITH THIS MUCH-NEEDED HISTORY LESSON.Go Now To History Post, July 4, 2006. Let us begin there!

Check carefully every word as we proceed. Check world history books. Check WWII Films. This can be a learning experience for an open mind! If you are sincere, this is A Premier Opportunity for you to gain some knowledge before speaking harshly.Do you have an Open Mind For World History, Mohamed?

Please Bring A History Scholar fromCairo University to help you with dates. You really need some fundamental information.__________________________________

mohamed claim: Hiroshima/Nagasaki (1945) was a crime against humanity, yet you deny it was a reaction to Pearl Harbor (1941)where we lost one-half of our Naval Fleet at anchor on a Sunday morning sneak attack, in two hours!

(The USA Was Not At War With Any Nation On That Date!)

You deny that two Horror Bombs in August 1945 saved millions of lives on both sides, mostly civilian, plus the military lives scattered on dozens of Islands in the Vast South Pacific Ocean?Does Mohamed know nothing of this?>>Can you deny this? Imperial Japan in 1928, attacked a then defenseless rural China with All-powerful Army and Naval Forces for a dozen years. It systematically murdered millions, then enslaved peasant workers to feed their vastly expanding military operations.

Japan needed Land-Mass and Minerals to fulfill their expanding dream of World Domination! The sleepy "Peace-Loving" USA did not wish to become 'Involved' in a foreign war in the Pacific, or in Europe! You Must Read About It!The USA had a small Standing Army & Air Force in 1940; Read It!

If Mohamed has an Honest Thirst for historical truth, perhaps Allah has guided him here to my humble blog...who can truly say? I cannot. reb

I asked you many questions during replying your questions. Didn't you notice them!!!

Any way, I'll copy and paste my questions put on my blog that my page may don't download on your computer.---------------------------------Do you think that the world is becoming safer?!!! ---Do you know that Muslims believe that both Bible (Old Testament, New Testament) and Qur'an are sent by Allah?!! ---Now, my turn to ask, and your turn to answer. I read half of the 'speech' you sent for me and I think that it have many true things, and also it has many lies. About saying that Arabian-Israeli conflict isn't the main problem of the Arabian and Islamic world let me correct this thinking for him. That's true that there is problems in Sudan, Egypt, ..etc, but they all are inner problems of their states, as for the Palestinain problem it's the problem of all Arabs, Muslims and all justice lovers in whole the world. I liked his word that word is some times stronger than weapons and this raises a good point. Americans tried to use the way they are good in which is using weapons, force and power and they didn't succeed in stopping killings of innocents, so why don't they let us try our way which are good in; I mean the word. Why don't they let Muslim Imams and scholars to advice Muslim youth about the fact of Islam and that Islam isn't killing others, and that Islam orders us to love others not to kill them. Why don't they try?!!

My question which was 'too tough' for two other Americans to answer, a friend and a blog guest. What do you think about the Palestinain problem; we Arabs and Muslims see it as a religious group (Jews) came to Palestinian lands and invaded them and declared their own state through evacuating a people from their homes and killing thouthands and thouthands of innocents and civilians and kids, as a result this state is against the international and humanical law, so we mustn't support it. And the other question, if you imagined yourself in your own state and found groups of a specific people coming to your state and then they declared their own state and deleted your state and they killed your brothers, sons, wife, parents (I hope that this don't happen) so how will you feel then towards this new state declared on your own lands?!!! And how will you feel towards the world who supported declaring this state?!!! And what will you do when you find yourself evacuated from your home where you and your family lived for hundreds of years and members of this group lived in it?!!!! Please in your answer don't ignore thouthands of children killed by this group, and thouthands of homes have been destroyed, and just answer through your OWN point of view, not history. I hope that you don't consider this question 'tough' and ignore it, and to be able to answer it, not like the other two.---You know, you have a specific image about Islamic religion and about me, I doubt that you need to change it because your media still insisting and insisting on you that 'Muslims are terrorits' till you said 'Muslims are terrorists', and I doubt also that you really need to discuss and understand, you didn't really accept my invitation. If you really want to prove that you want to discuss and to understand read my post; Aggressor or Defender (Rational talk) and answer the questions. In addition; why you are so angry about those who kill innocents under the name of Islam claiming that they will enter paradise?!! Is that only because they are Muslims?!! Or because they kill innocents?!!! Remeber that your government killed half million of Japanese innocents. Don't say please; 'Just to end the war'. This is just a justification the same like when Qaeda has justifications to kill innocents. You say; 'To end the war', they say; 'Qur'an ordered us'. And I believe that both are wrong, both killed innocents for no reason, killing innocents can't be justified.---Do you believe that this Universe has a God?!!!---Who is Jonah?!!

These are my last words to you. There is no point in continuing to try to communicate with you. Ignorance can be cured unless the ignorant party has a mind as closed as yours.

J'accuse, the words of Emile Zola. I accuse you of being a warmonger; an enabler; as being more of a problem than are the Palestinians who refuse to lay down there arms.

You make comments regarding WW II which demonstrate that you are wholly unfamiliar with history; then you say WW II is finished.

You refuse ever to admit that you are in error which is early and often.

So long as enablers like you, who have no direct stake in the Israeli-Palestinian issue are there to fan the flames of hatred, there will never be peace. Your idea of international law and "humanical law" is the southern product of a north walking horse.

If WW II is finsihed so is the Arab-Isreali War of 1948. The Arabs lost that war and all the others various Arab nations have waged against Israel, all of which were instigated by Arabs. Don't try and claim the any moral high ground with "Israel is illegal" argument. It is, as we say in this country, a non starter.

Every time you have posed an question, I have answered it. Every time I have asked a question, you have ignored it. It is easier for you to ignore difficult questions because if you answered them honestly, you would be compelled to abandon you positions that are undefendable.

Most of us understand that not all Muslims think alike. Nevertheless, your religion has a serious PR (public relations) problem. The problem has many facets but certainly one is suicide bombings and other bombings in which innocent lives, most of them Muslim lives, are taken.

Yet all we hear from you is: This 2 year old Palestinian boy was killed by Israelis. Those 500,000 innocent Japanese were killed by American bombs.

Time and time again, not only have you refused to admit that your personal position is indefensible but also you have refused to renounce violence perpetrated by Muslims.

Never have you said: "I, Mohamed, denounce the destruction of the World Trade Centers; I, Mohamed denounce train bombings in Madrid: I, Mohamed, denounce teh bus bombings in London."

What can I conclude except that if you refuse admit that such atrocities are wrong, then you support the people that perpetrated these crimes.

Many westerners understand that there is no common ground with terrorists. There is "us" and there is "them." The first time I ever responded to you, I said you were my enemy. Nothing has changed.

In response to New York, Madris, and London, I expect you to cite Emman Hajjo or Hiroshima or some other irrelevant person or place.You never, however, take into consideration that Palestinian, and other Muslim civilians are killed when armed men without uniforms launch rockets or cache weapons in area in which noncombatants live. Nor have we ever heard you state that you disagee with using Mosques as arsenals.

Adios, Mohamed. It is futile for me to wish you to have useful life, you being part of the problem such as you are. I will let reb bandy words with you if it continues to amuse him. Instead, I wish you a good death, although to have one of those, you will need to overcome your cowardice.

Loop Garoo says he is done with theback & forth words...I Am Not! I believe people will eventually come to understand the other sideof the coin. Much patience is required.

I have printed out the Most Important Questions Mohamed Asks; I could not do that on his blog.

a) Half are about my personal beliefs. Are they important? No.

b) The Important Questions Are About Mohamed's Corrupted Views ofHistorical Events! These verifiable events and dates are the most important of all! This iswhy the L.G.K. quits discussion.>>"There Is More Faith In Honest Doubt...Than In Half The Creeds!"Tennyson

Mohamed, When you come to my home, or to my blog, I expect you to be Courteous. If I ask you, and All Visitors to wear paper shoes, andI offer you these hospital-type paper shoes, I will be happy if you do it. It's Courtesy!

This happened to me recently! A strange custom (!) but I was not offended. It was this fellow's home, his custom & rules. We had a fine dinner! This man was a Great Host. I Observed His Rules, in His Home. It's Courtesy!

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mohamed's Revile (verbal abuse):on Sept 6th:

"Wake up, Sarge!!! I'm not a soldier in your army to order me like that, go now...my rules...WWII is finished!!!~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~

When I am a Guest On Your Blog, You Set the Rules...When you are My Guest On My Blog...I Set The Rules. Do you understand it?

"Mr. reb" would be fine.>>Number Two: When you give inaccurate accusations about WWII Hiroshima/Nagasaki Bombs, I willcorrect you! The USA was peaceful on Dec 7, 1941...We Were Attacked, and Terrible WWII began for us.The Japanese Attacked Us!

Your Views of History Are Hugely Corrupted! They are wrong! Wrong!That is why this lesson is so very important. Stopping Evil Propaganda Is Very Important To Me.

I only ask you to Research Carefully. Do you wish to continuewith Courtesy, or not? Wikipedia is a poor choice for serious research. Many "Anonymous" voices give opinions there! Many Authors Are Unknown There!

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Now you know my rules; do you wish to continue Here On History Post, always with courtesy? (I am not responsible for what others say).

However I don't consider it as a revile but ok, if you consider it like that and if it offended you then; Sorry.

But will you apologize for continuous reviles(verbal abuse) against me and my beliefs?!! You said before; the grim bloodshed demanded by the Kill-Culture of Islam, wild religious ideas. They are clear insult of my religion, not insult of only bad members.

Any way, thanks for notifying me that you don't like calling you as 'Mr.Sarge'.

You really believe that the USA fights wars to kill innocents. That's why I asked you to read thisHistory Post.

I believe you are sincere.

Nothing I can say will alter youropinion of Accurate History. I try!>>Now I am in an important battle within my own country. An evil billionaire attacks our president, and a fine General. I will use my energy to fight this Big-Time Evil Money-Man, George Soros!

I believe I copied and pasted them in a separated comment. They aren't scattered in diferrent places, I gathered all of them in one comment. Questions I gathered here are the only ones I want you to answer.

There is no need to hurry, if you're busy now you can finish what you're doing and then answer.

1.Do you think that the world is becoming safer through American war against what it call 'Terrorism'?!!!

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2.Do you know that Muslims believe that both Bible (Old Testament, New Testament) and Qur'an are sent by Allah?!! (Yes or No)

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3.My question which was 'too tough' for two other Americans to answer, a friend and a blog guest. What do you think about the Palestinain problem; we Arabs and Muslims see it as a religious group (Jews) came to Palestinian lands and invaded them and declared their own state through evacuating a people from their homes and killing thouthands and thouthands of innocents and civilians and kids (I call it replacing process), as a result this state is against the international and humanical law, so we mustn't support it.

4.If you imagined yourself in your own state and found groups of a specific people coming to your state and then they declared their own state and deleted your state and they killed your brothers, sons, wife, parents (I hope that this don't happen) so how will you feel then towards this new state declared on your own lands?!!! And how will you feel towards the world who supported declaring this state?!!! And what will you do when you find yourself evacuated from your home where you and your family lived for hundreds of years and members of this group lived in it?!!!!Please in your answer don't ignore thouthands of children killed by this group, and thouthands of homes have been destroyed, and just answer through your OWN point of view, not history. I hope that you don't consider this question 'tough' and ignore it, and to be able to answer it, not like the other two.

Mohamed, Thank you! Finally, we have a good system for organized discussion. I asked for no more than three (3) questions at one time; You Have Five!>> I shall attempt to provide satisfactory answers. After these answers, I Have Only One Question That Requires Your Specific Response. Let us begin:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~1) TERRORISM: As I see it, the complex plan of radical leaders within the Muslim community, is to spread their ancient religious notions throughout the industrial nations of the world through a)Persuasion, by creating "enclaves" within those unsuspecting nations, and begin a decades-long assault on Established Home-rule, hoping to "peacefully" alter forever by b) invading many institutions, appointing "friendly muslims", and gradually installing a form of government inimical to our Fundamental Right to Self- Governance! c) Failing that, they intend to seize control over their Stupid Hosts, through Force & Bloody Bombings! If you doubt this bold and evil planning, you know nothing about The Muslim Brotherhood, the willingless to kill Innocent Civilians!

The Council, American-Islamic Relations ~ CAIR, has infiltrated key areas of the USA. A Mixture of "Peaceful" & 'Radical'. We watch them very carefully. Some, not all, are...al Queda-Trained Killers. The Leader of CAIR, Omar Ahmad has said:

"Islam isn't in America to be EQUAL to any other faith, but to be DOMINANT!" Do we slap his face? This violates our Most Precious Law, The First Amendment! Should we allow this bold and grossly rude guest a place at Freedom's Table? No, of course not.

Check dates of bombings worldwide since November 4, 1979. Check whois proud of the carnage! Check Tv statements by Dr Ayman al Zawahiri.Do you watch Television? (Print)__________________________________(If you would like to respond now,I'll wait. If not, I'll proceed to #2________________________________

I don't think you replied my first question yet. Please read it back, it was; Do you think that the world is becoming safer through American war against what it call 'Terrorism'?!!! I didn't ask about your view of Terrorism or Al-Qaeda. My question touches the American policy against what it calls Terrorism, it don't touch Terrorism itself.

Any way, ignore it, you may don't want to show your view about that.

If you want just three questions and you 'are supposed' now to answer one, conclusion; I have only 2; then here you're my next question which needs to be answered;

2. What do you think about Palestinain problem, do you see it as we Arabs and Muslims see it; Jews came, they started killing kids and destroying homes, they evacuated Palestinains from their homes to streets, they lived in their homes, they built new homes for them on Palestinians lands, they declared their state as Israel. So how you see the legality of Israel through this true history, and if you have another view than that, I ask you to give me your comment about those Millions of Palestinians have been killed or evacuated from their homes.

Waiting for you answer on this question, to give you my last question.

Now, I Answer Your Question #2.__________________________________ Mohamed: Do you know that Muslims believe that both Bible (Old & New Testament) and Qur'an are sent by Allah? (Yes or No)>>Reb Answer: YES, that's what YOU Believe. (I am more cautious).

Most Religious Scholars, Hebrew, Christian, and Islamic discuss these "fine points" All Their Adult Lifetimes. They do nothing else! It's their passion.

I believe...

That Many Men Wrote The Bible. NotJehovah, not Jesus, not Allah. The Roman Catholic Church Claimed Absolute Authority over these oldwritings for centuries, and the Vatican Decided which books received the Imprematur Seal ("Let it be printed"), Seal of the Roman Pope!

I Reject It, Such Arrogance! The Vatican also did not allow Gnostic Interpretation! They are 'studying' the newly found Dead Sea Scrolls! Why should I waitfor them? I Don't Trust their outrageous Claims. They Claim "Infallibility" in "Matters of Faith & Morals!" Horse-Feathers!

They are just men in full-length robes, and Funny Hats! They appear to me, to be Pious Clowns that seek Power Over The Uneducated Masses that know nothing of Ugly, Bloody Church History!

(But The Old Scholars Know Of It).

In the Sixth Century, Mohammed sawthe Beauty of the Old Testament, and he admired the Order of the Ten Commandments. Law! See The Last Five...wonderful Law.

The First Mohammed must have been a brilliant man!

I believe he saw the need for a basic system of Written Law For His Muslim People. He Needed Rules Governing Conduct For His People, so that his civilization could progress! Become more civil.

All His People Needed To Read & Write, To Become Educated; and he needed to explain Good & Bad; and the need for Charity; and also whymen fought Wars! He explained Defensive Jihad, "To Protect the Land We Occupy"!

Later Men...Invented "Offensive Jihad" to Dominate the Infidel!Force Islam on foreign people that didn't know Allah! Make "Dhimmi" Slaves out of captured foreigners that had other beliefs, other 'Gods'...>>__________________________________You have given me Five Questions.May I now proceed to #3 question?__________________________________

Notes on your answer:*Prophet Muhammad was an illiterate man who can't read or write, so he can't know about Bible. In addition; history don't tell us that there were religious discussions between the prophet and Jews and Christians before Islam.

*Dhimmis isn't a concept of slaving others. It means Jews and Christians who live in real Islamic state, they have rights, they enjoy equity, and are dealed kindly and justly. For more informations you can check trusted Islamic websites to know more about Dhimmis rights and examples of how Muslims dealed with them like IslamOnLine, or ask me to tell you from Islamic books of famous scholars and Imams.

I am surprised that you believe TheProphet Mohammed was illiterate. I have always thought of him as a very wise & kindly Intellectual, and Muslim's Greatest Leader!

He greatly admired and respected the Hebrew Bible in those Ancient Times, and it's Ten Commandment Fundamentals of Law, especially the Last Five Commandments. Then, he began writing the Holy Qur'an.

See Genesis 16 to 24: This tells us that Issac and Ishmael were Half-Brothers, with the same Father, Abraham! (Please read).

Also, The Angel of the Lord speaks to Hagar (Genesis 16:9-12) and tells Hagar this: "You will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael...

"He will be a wild donkey of a man;his hand will be against everyone and he will live in hostility toward All his brothers!"

Many Scholars think that this Foretells the Split Between Sunni Arab, And The Persian Shia.

I Am Not A Scholar. I Do Not Pretend To know Who Is Correct.

But I see Sunni & Shia At War! I see Hamas & Fatah killing each other every day on Tv. I see theHezbollah (Party of God) in Lebanon anxious to kill more Jews, when their Persian Masters in Tehran & Damascus give the signal to kill them.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This part of your five questions give me reason to pause; I am notthe best person to ask this. I would prefer to bring in a morequalified person than myself, so I will skip to #4 and #5, then I shall defer to "Loop Garoo" to speak in

"Do You Believe...that this Universe has a God?>>Answer: I Don't Really Know.

Many Pretenders To God's Throne, Jump to Complex Conclusions on this important question.

Popes, Grand Ayatollahs, Rabbi & Imam, Tv Preachers in the USA...

All CLAIM to have special insightand intimate knowledge about All Religious Truth! How bold of them.

Some of them are disgusted if aserious student has the courage todoubt their Authority! Others may say, "Unless you accept this or that part, You Will Burn In Hell!

Somewhere I've heard "Judge Not, That Ye Be Not Judged".

Scientists are at odds on this matter. Astronomers point OrbitingHubble to the far-corners of a vast, mysterious Universe. They witness Billions Of Galaxies! Theynow see an amazing Panorama of Objects, And Planets Orbiting Several Other Near-by Suns!

Foolish Humans pretend they know all about Jehovah, Allah, and Jesus Christ. They pretend to knowall about Our Creation...and The Creator!

I Admit Ignorance On This Matter.I choose not to blaspheme or revile.

What I do know is this: Over the centuries, men have used Ancient Writing to brutalize neighboring nations, kill opposition to their theories, enslave unfortunates, and cut heads off, hands off, torture enemies of the state;

Enforce Their Religious Doctrine!>>__________________________________Now, I will defer...to my bloggerfriend "Loop Garoo". He is more familiar with the sequencial a,b,c, History of Palestine. reb__________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

On behalf of the Palestinians, you have constantly taken the position that the state of Israel--Israel the nation that was established in 1948--is illegal and "against international and humanical law."

As one student of law to another, it is important to note for the readers of this website that "international law" is comprised of various treaties and agreements. There is no formal code of international law. As for "humanical law," I have never been certain what you denote by this. In any event, it is not controlling so far as relations between nations are concerned.

Your position regarding Israel is erroneous--wrong if you will--from both a legal and historical standpoint. Before proffering an explanation I will submit the definition of "nation" as I use it in this comment is: "An aggregation of people organized under a single government; a country, as opposed to "a people, usually inhabitants of a specific territory, who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language or related languages."

So far as history is concerned we are primarily concerned w/ relatively recent history. Nevertheless please note that since the destruction of the Kingdom of Judea by the Romans, 132-135, and the expulsion of the Jews, Palestine has been never been ruled by Palestinians.

Even before the destruction of Judea, Palestine had already been conquered by the Romans. Prior to that, the independent Jewish states in Palestine had been conquered first by the Persians and then the Greeks.

The Pomans were succeeded by the Byzantine Empire, 330-640 AD; then various Caliphates, 640-1099 AD; then the Crusaders, 1099-1187 AD; then the Mamluks, 1270-1516 AD; [Please note that 1187 marked the conquest of Jerusalem by Saladin, however, Crusaders ruled elsewhere in Palestine until expelled by the Mamluks.] the the Ottoman Empire 1516-1917; then by British, 1920-1948. The formal British Madandate was not created until 1920 but Palestine was administered by Briatin following the defeat of the Turks in 1917.

On Novemeber 29, 1947, the UN General Assembley passed the UN Partition Plan for Palestine (UN Resolution 181) to partition Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish states thereby ending the Arab-Jewish conflict. The Greater Jerusalem area was to be under international control. Jewish leaders accepted the plan; Palestinian Arab leaders rejected it as did neighboring Arab states. The partition paln was never implemented. The British Mandate ended May 15, 1948. The state of Israel was proclaimed the day before. That state was to inhabit only the geographical territory contemplated by Resolution 181.

Following its declaration of Independence. Israel was immediately attacked by Lebanon; Syria; Egypt; Transjordan; Iraq; the Holy War Army; the Arab Liberation Army; and local Arabs. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War then ensued and Israel consolidated greater territory.

In the 1949 Armistice agreement between Israel and neighboring Arab states, Palestine as a district was eliminated and Palestinian lands outside of Israel were divided between Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

This raises several points. There was never any Palestinian homeland before 1948 that was self governed by Palestinian Arabs. In 1948, Arab and Muslim nations began a war against Israel which they lost.In 1949, by Armistice Israel controlled certain territory and Egypt, Jordan. and Syria assumed control of other terriory formerly known as Palestine.

There have been additional wars but we need not discuss them at the moment.

So Mohamed. Your argument that Israel is illegal fails for two major reasons. First and foremost, the nations which win wars dictate the terms of the peace. This is human history from ancient times until today.

Secondly, the state of Israel as it existed in 1949 at the time of the Armistice was created by agremnt w/ neighboring foreign nations.

As an observation, never once have I heard you comment regarding the treatment odf Plaestinians by Jordan, Syria, or Egypt.

So, your argument regarding the illegality of Israel is entirely unsupported by hsitory or law. Remember, international law consists of agreemnets between sovereign nations, like the ones who concluded the Armistice of 1949.

Yet, you continue to characterize the Palestinians in Gaza who kidnap Israeli soldiers and fire rcokets into Israel as "resisters."Most of the rest of us recognize them as terrorists. Never do you mention the teatment of Palestinians by Arab states, like Jordan which expelled the Palestinians in 1971.

The Palestinians have been offered a homeland and self governance on both the West bank and the Gaza Strip.

Recent events there will serve as subject matter for additional comments.

If you have arguments contrary to those above, you are welcome to state them. Please understand that neither the law nor history supports them.

Raymond Kraft and I have corresponded. He gave me permission about a year and a half ago to print his articles in their entirety. I have posted maybe 4 of them. He's a good writer, and his articles stir lots of comment, both agreeing and disagreeing with his views on history and the present war. I'm not a historian, so can't argue the facts of his articles, but I do like what he has to say.

p.s. I've read the comments now, and it seems Mohamed has some time on his hands for a debate. I think discussion is always good, honest debate without calling names. I encourage debate at Right Truth, but it sometimes gets out of hand.

Usually no one changes their mind or their beliefs, but it's good to see what the other person is thinking and where they are coming from

-This very small piece of land has various owners over the last 2000 years, and who owns it now?

The second question: Should the whole world be plunged into an Atomic War over this small area, this Tiny Piece Of Real Estate?

That is what's happening on my television, and I think the UnitedNations should have one more -resolution-181.5, that states thatthe "Holy Joes" should get their tails back in church or mosque, andjust shut up, before we do have World War Three! Who gave them theright to start a nuke war? Their imaginary god?

I call them "Holy Joes" Who put them in charge of this world?

That's what happens when you fight over religion, Wars Happen, and families suffer, millions of peopledie! For What? Stupidity!!

a) The Muslims generally believe that Christians & Jews (and others) may be permitted to live wonderful and peaceful lives in Muslim Lands IF They Submit To Sharia Law.

b) They shall be granted Second Class Citizenship, IF they will meekly accept a Higher Tax Rate, Agree not to interfere with Muslim customs or belief, willingly accept their inferior status to their Superior Muslim Neighbors.

c) Nor shall they advocate or promote any other faith either by word, or printed material, or attempt to spread other inferior doctrine. (Serious Violation)

d) Dhimmi will agree to acknowledge Sharia as the Supreme Law of the Land; Acknowledge One God, Allah; they must promise never to deviate, nor attempt to discuss or influence the faithful Muslim, with any false doctrine.

e) To do so, they fully understand that any serious violation of this solemn agreement could place them, and even their family members, inJeopardy Of Lethal Punishment!

By Accepting All Of The Above, The Dhimmi shall then be allowed To Exist, In Peace, Allah Willing!Allah Akbar!

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Mohamed, reading the above, would you stipulate that this is essentially correct? Yes/No reb__________________________________

I see that you want to make it a wide discussion, I think that it would be better to achieve the reason I told on my blog; to make the world understand each other and that cooperation among nations can't come before understanding.

I think that it may be hard to comment on every point, but I'll try to show some points.

First; it's a truth and an evidence in the same time that Prophet Muhammad was illiterate (can't read or write). A truth because it's recorded in history and all Muslims and others know it, even when the angel revealed to him the first revelation -the first word in the revelation and the Qur'an was; "Recite"- he said then; "I can't read". An evidence because it's a big proof that he didn't write Qur'an himself, but it was revealed to him, and also a proof that he wasn't able to read books of other religions like Old and New Testament. You said that Prophet Muhammad wrote Qur'an by himself. Then, here you're another question; What is your historical or logical evidences about that?!! (Any claimer must have evidences about his claim, right?!!) I can by the help of Allah so simply prove for you that Qur'an can't by any way be written by human whether the prophet or any other human.

Second; I didn't hear about those many scholars who foretold about the conflict between Sunni and Shia, but I know that the Prophet said that his nation will be divided into approx. 70 sect, and that there will be only one of them which is right, those are who follow the right path of the Prophet and his fellows.

I understood from your answer to the 4th question that you think that you ..shall strike fast.. those who attack your state, and those who want to force ..a Foreign Religion.. on your lands, and also those who ..Choose to Dominate!.. not ..be Equal To.. others, and those who intend to ..invade your nation... So you think that ..We Will Lock Them Up!.. (Away from not approving on that with you, but I'm talking about your point of view)Then that's exactly what happened in Palestine. Jews came to Palestine aiming at dominating and not be equal to others. They didn't want ot be shared. They were aiming at invading Palestine. In addition they committed many many horible crimes to achieve this dirty aim of invading a state of another people. Why an child going to his school be killed?!!! Do you think there is a resonable justifcation for that?!!! Why a girl walking in the street with her mother be killed?!! Why a old woman be killed in her home?!! Why a villager be killed?!!! Why they destroy homes?!! Why they destroy and burn?!! History is avaliable every where to be studied. And after these crimes they declared their state, and still committing more other horrible crimes.The necessary question here is why Israel is supported by many powerful states (on the head of them is America and before was England, no body knows who's next!!) however knwoing about these crimes?!! Why they think that those who fight and attack Israelis are terrorists and completely ignore and forget the bloody history of this invader state?!!! (I specially ask you to answer this question, not from your knowledge about Palestinain history, but out of guidence of your heart. I care about your comment about this point.)

Thanks for your answer about 5th question, but may be you misunderstood me. I didn't mean that. I meant that; did you thought about the original of universe. As a non-believer in any religion you may have some prespective; may be you thought that this universe came through evolution and that your grandfathers are monkeys, or you may think that it came by coincidence, or you may be an agnostic believing that this universe truly has a God who created it but in the same time there is no way to reach Him. That's what I meant. I asked about if you thought about how you came to life and how this universe by all these species and galaxies came. I hope that you answer after explanning.

That's enough for today, I'll try to comment on other things in few days.

That's a good object to be discussed, and I'm intersted to discuss about it.

Any way, as I told you before on a comment on my blog that you can name any object to discuss and I'll make a separated post about it. But for pity I'm busy these days, in addition this object will require research in Islamic books of Muslim scholars and Imams. So, it may take a week or more before I make the post. I'll comment firstly on some points here and then I'll make the post.

Do you think it is reasonable for Hamas to fire rockets at Israeli civilians?

You have a remarkable way of ignoring inconvenient facts, chief among which is that the Palestiian diaspora that followed the 1948 Arab-Israeli war resulted from Palestinians losing a war aginst Israel, a war which they helped start.

Meanwhile, how have other nations treated Palestinians? There are still 3,000,000 living in Jordan and certainly not all of them are refugees as some are inhabitants of territory that Jordan annexed following the 1949 Armistice.

Perhaps you are too young to remmber what Americans call the First Gulf War that was fought in 1990-1 during which 35 nations in a UN coalition liberated Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Many Palestinians supported Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait, thereby failing to endar themselves to the rest of the world.

>>__________________________________It is not helpful to jump around with long boring paragraphs, with Many Other Subjects, in one long Rant. Please, One Subject, A Full Discussion. Mohamed has agreed to this Orderly System. "Patience Is Golden" Thanks! reb__________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

Thanks for your reminding, but I didn't forget. I'm just late, and I apologize for that.

My lateness is because of my studies, also I was ill for some days.

Any way, I already wrote majority of the post and I'm going to finish it very soon.

Just a note;I didn't undertsand the way you ask me to talk about Dhimmis, but any way, I'm going to make it in a post on my blog with my way (and with my rules). ;) On the other hand; don't you believe in freedom of speech?!! ;) I express myself the way I see good. :) Any way; I'll consider the points you raised about Dhimmis here in my post.

I'd like to record here my admiration that you finally noticed words I wrote under my blog title, and that you approve on them and I think it's a good opportunity to ask a question.

You said before that you think that prophet Muhammad is the one who wrote the Qur'an. So the question is; Did you read a trusted translation of the Qur'an before?!! Was that your perspective on Qur'an after you read it carefully?!!

Any religious doctrine, they tend to look only at the noble, the virtuous, the up-lifting, and charitable.

Conversely, they turn a blind eye to the motivations of their Leadership. The grasping for power,the need to employ vicious diciplines, to maintain that Power!The mutilations and beheadings, thesuicidal bombings. Surely, These Acts are in Defiance of Their God!

Judaism, Christianity, & Islam all have clear evidence in their ambivalent historical past.

We American Christians must look bravely and honestly at the brute history of Rome's excess, and at the Early USA, with our burning of "witches" in Salem, and killing the Mormon Prophet, Joseph Smith, and brutalizing those believers.

Americans are at their best when admitting our weaknesses, because of Freedom's Blessing! We acknowledge that we are not pure.

The passionate believer in the Holy Qur'an often looks the other way; justifies hatred of his blood-brother, the Jew, and the killing of innocents, even in their own communities. "Honor Killings", and foolish demeaning of their women. Hamas & Fatah Kill Each Other in Palestine. The True-believer tends to Ignore the Obvious! Allah Akbar!

When Comparing Religions, Only the Buddhist & Bahai Walk the Walk of Gentleness, of Peace & Justice for All; they shun the bloody hands, the Grasping for Money & Power.

No Major Religion is Without Guilt and Base Corruption.__________________________________ Mohamed: You Show Me Where I Am Mistaken. reb __________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

It's a good news, and I hope that I found it on earth, not to be afraid to criticize the authority or to express myself, and to talk about Islam freely. I hope!!

You know; one of the good things that you have in the West is freedom of speech. I don't mean the freedom to revile and to insult beliefs of others as some understand it, but I mean the real freedom of speech to criticize the authority and to protest in the streets and to hold demonstrations .. etc.

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I Am Delighted that you like Freedom of Speech; now if Muslims ever come to appreciate Freedom ofReligion to that same degree, this old world will Really Be On Its Way toUniversal Peace & Freedom For AllCultures, All Cultures...All Cultures!

The Grand Ayatollahs Will Never Agree. Hatred & Fear Is Their Game; they will never willingly allow it. They Want Their "Madhi", The 12th Imam...After Nuke War!

According to the Qur'an, "OffensiveJihad is i.e. Attacking, is fully permissible in Sunni Islam".

Where the Kuffar {infidels} are not gathering to fight the Muslims,the fighting becomes Fard Kifaya {religious obligation on Muslim society} with the minimum requirement of appointing believers to guard the borders...

and the sending of an army at least once a year to terrorize the enemies of Allah. It is the duty of the Imam to assemble and send out an army unit into the land of war, once or twice a year!

Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Muslim population to assist him, And if he does not send an army, he is in Sin!, and the Ulama have mentioned that this type of Jihad if for maintaining the payment of Jizah! {taxes}.

The scholars of the principles of religion have also said: Jihad is Daw'ah with a Force, and is obligitory to preform with all available capabilities, until there remains Only Muslims, or people who Submit to Islam {DHIMMI}

Answer: The more I read, the more I believe in the Value of a HealthySkepticism of ALL Religious Notions. I Trust No Translations, no Spiritual Claims, no mythical "Angels", Devils or Mystical Prophets. They are like the Gargoyals on a 1000 year oldRoman Church. They are ugly stonefaces, (do you believe in them)? put there to scare away "Evil Spirits"...Humbug!

History is filled with old men; they study, and tell tall stories about miracles, and hell-fire, and devils & angels. These Characters come in sheeps clothing. Some wear funny hats. Many authors have their own wild imaginations of such things. "Holy Men" CLAIM many outrageous things, and coax the gullible 'believer' to trust only in him as 'The Authority'...

the One with 'True' Translations. When people do believe, the so-called "Holy" guy gives them the next step; it could take years, if the student has some doubts. Now, Holy Joe Has His Power!

Freedom to Think & Freedom to Speak in Opposition is frowned upon. You better shut your mouth, or there will be Trouble! Yours is not to question why, or what. Only The Scholars can discuss these things.

Your Obligation Is To Obey! Then your next Obligation is to Recruit Family & Friends. Respect "Holy" Authority, give to charity. Only Their Approved Charity. Camel-feathers & Wild Donkeys!

If it makes you feel any better, we have them here in the U.S.A.Televangelists on Tv, slapping bibles, and running up & down andPraising The Lord! Hallelujah!

The end of the broadcast begs fora "Seed Of Faith"! That's right,Money! Our Precious 1st Amendmentallows these rascals to do it. Mostcall them 'Holy Joes' It's the price we must pay for Freedom of Religion. No One Church, or Jewish Synagog or Islamic Mosque will ever rule this great nation. Never!

No Grand American Ayatollah will ever send our military to seduce you to Believe in a Silent Mysterious God, hiding in a Cloud, or in the Sky, nor On the Moon, or Far Out in Space.

You Ask for Evidence. That's Good!

Where Is Your Evidence, of Angels,Devils or Heaven? All you have is old documents, a violent history, and suffering, and death! Head-choppings, and treating your women like the family goat. Strapping bombs on your young children. NO! The Buddhist Prayer Wheel is Superior to that insanity.

We believe in Defensive Jihad. If a Nutty Group Comes Here, flys planes into buildings, Kills Our Innocents, we will vow to hunt them down with Raptors, eventually destroy them, and teach the world not to attack the Towers of Liberty. We will tell the world that we will not be dominated by Ancient Mysteries, or Doctrine, or old Hadiths.

The Jews have Jewish Writers and Historians. The Persian/Shiite have theirPersian writers and historians; theArabs have theirs too. Each May Insist that only their writers haveaccurate "True" histories.

All have different viewpoints, and that's quite understandable. The loyalties are different, because the heroes are different in theseold, old stories.

Wars Create Both Heroes & Victims! In war, there is always great sadness,and we all see innocent children asthe most vulnerable and tragic, on all sides! They had no part in creating these circumstances that led to war.

I recall a kid with one leg and a crutch in Italy. War!

We soldiers gave many kids candy, and I gave one crippled boy some, because he couldn't move fast. Later, the other kids knocked him down, took his candy! You Tell Me About War, Mohamed! Have you seen the bodies?>>So, you travel with me, back in time, Looking for Evidence. See what Other Historians (not yours or mine) have written about thesewars. These Terrible Wars!>>If It Is True, that "millions of kids and women and civilians beingkilled" then, any human being that feels anything, must read it, and Feel Very Sad, Extremely SAD!

Where Is Your Evidence of Millions in Palestine. Dozens, hundreds, thousands...Is Sad Enough.

Question Three:

If It Were MY CHOICE...I would choose to Defend My Borders, and question all guests and visitors to the Land of Freedom to submit a sworn Statement of Intention; then, Finger-printing, Photographs, DNA Samples, Biometrics, Family History, and how long they wish to visit. Do they intend to apply forcitizenship? CAUTION should be the rule! It's a dangerous world now, and some crazies would like to get here, to kill innocents! Sept 11, 2001 Is TrueHistory. Solid Evidence that crazypeople, with goofy religious notions are running loose in many countries.

All Religions have some crazy people, however...There Are Many Suicidal Killers found only in One Major Religion!We do not need to look with a magnifying glass to determine who they are. Wahhabism began in Saudi Arabia, and it spread rapidly, easily, withPetroleum Wealth...Oil! In the 20th Century Mosques sprung up like weeds, around the world

Grand Ayatollahs & Their Imams areNothing In A Free Land. We ignore them, let them have their notions.

If they come here with plans to attack us, dominate us, then we must awaken, Stop them. Is that too difficult for Mohamed To Understand? reb

Question Four:

We Know 'Offensive Jihad' Exists. The Evidence is a Deep Scar in New York City. You and I have seen it many times on Television. You needmore evidence?

You want me to dig into old books,to provide you the Evidence of 9/11, that Offensive Jihad Exists?>>Like you, I am busy too! Go to yourSearch Engine on Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, etc Type in: "Offensive Jihad". If you can find nothing, come back to Snake Hunters, maybe I can help you. Your friend, reb

About your first answer. You completely misundersood me. I didn't mean that. Let me clarify so calmly to you what I want.

You said before what means that you believe that Prophet Muhammad wrote Qur'an by himself. Right?!!

Then, I believe that every one who claims any thing must have some proof about this claim. If I claimed that this universe has a God then I must have a proof, if I claimed that Prophet Muhammad was a great prophet then I must have a proof, even if I claimed that I'm a law student then I must have a proof.

I believe I can't claim that you American first Amendment is bad or that it's injust beofre I; 1)Read it. 2)Understand it 3)Form my point of view about it. Logical?!!

So, what is your proof that Prophet Muhammad wrote Qur'an by himself?!! By another word, did you read the full Qur'an firstly, then thought about these words and these verses, then concluded that this book can't be by any mean written by any one except this man who claimed to be a Prophet?!! Did you read a full copy of Qur'an before?!! Please answer this last question.

As for your answer about my 2nd quesion; Firstly let me greet you to give candies for this kid. It's a good deed showing a kind heart.Second; I greet you too that you consider killing and evacuating Millions in Palestine is sad, however I may consider it horrible and terroristic of Israelis to do that. Poor Palestinaisn were in their homes safe when Zionists came to their lands to invade, kill and destory. That's why I consider Israelis as the one who started it, the aggressors, not Palestinians who didn't put down the gun since Zionists started killing their innocents.

You misunderstood me about the 4th question. That's true that 9-11 happened, that's true that there were attacks in London, Madrid, Riyadh, Cairo, Iraq .. and so many when innocets of civilians were killed, but what you said was 'According to the Qur'an, "Offensive Jihad is i.e. Attacking, is fully permissible in Sunni Islam".'

So I suppose that means that you;1) Read Qur'an2)Found verses ordering permitting offensive Jihad.3)You made the conclusion that Qur'an fully permit offensive Jihad.

So, my question is; which verses you read in Qur'an that made you think that Qur'an permit offensive Jihad?!! Please answer me.

You are asking me to spend the restof my life in study of the Quran; you are asking that I become a scholar of your Quran? No.

a) I see enough Evidence of Offensive Jihad when the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini grabbed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran on Nov 4, 1979. That Was Enough. It was against International Law. An Act of War!

b) In 1993, the Blind Sheik in N.Y.City exploded a bomb in The TradeTowers basement; Then on Sept 11, 2001, four planes were high-jacked by Four Egyptian Pilots, and 15 nutty Saudi did kill 2972 innocent civilians, in one hour.

c) Then more recently, 10 planes were Stopped in London from reaching the USA. More Crazy Jihad Suicide Bombers!

That's all the Evidence I Need. I don't need any Hadeeths!>>If you need Jihad of the heart/soul through concepts such astawhid, do it yourself!>>Jihad of the Tongue, Jihad of the Pen, Jihad by the Hand, Jihad by the Sword...You Do It!>>It Is Enough For Freedom-Loving People To Know That Insane PiousPeople, Led By Insane Leaders, Wish To Convert Us To Islam, Or Kill Us.

Mohammed said "Poor Palestinaisn were in their homes safe when Zionists came to their lands to invade, kill and destory."

er, no. The Zionists first started coming in the 1890s and bought the land from the Arabs fair and square. The history is complicated, but suffice it to say that although yes there were tensions and bloodshed over the next few decades the Jews certainly did not steal anyone's land.

After WWII UN decided to spit the land up into two nations. The Jews accepted and the Arabs did not. Had you accepted, Mohammed, there would be peace today.

Re the Post:

"The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs"

Well....ok, but it's much more complicated. There are three groups of Jihadists; two Sunni and one Shiite. The two Sunni are the Wahabbists and the Muslim Brotherhood, both of the Salafist tradition. The Shiite Jihadists are Khumeinists, inspired by the Iranian revolution but most certainly not Iranian nationalists. For example, Hezbollah is a Khumeinist organization, which is supplied by Iran through the Alawite regime that controls Syria.

The Salafist Jihadists want to reestablish the Caliphate that Mustafa Kemal destroyed in 1924. The Wahabbist tactic is to infiltrate the West and take us over by demographics, the role of the Saudi government is to finance the whole thing and pull the wool over our eyes. The MB infiltrates societies in the ME and tries to take them over, and eventually their governments. They took over Sudan, and Hamas is a MB organization. They stand poised to take over Egypt when Mubarak dies.

The Kumeinists want to establish a regional Imamate and chase the West from the region. Ahmadinejad and his fellow Hojjatieh want to bring back the Mahdi by "creating bloodshed and chaos on earth".

"Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation today, but it is not yet known which will win - the Inquisition, or the Reformation"

The Muslim inquisition began in the 14th century and was the brainchild of Ahmad ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328). Is is called the "takfir", and has continued to this day. ibn Taymiyyah instituted the Takfir in the wake of the Mongol invasion which destroyed the Abyssid dynasty. The point is that the takfir took Islam from the renaissance to the dark ages, where it remains today.

I see precious little evidence of any real reformation in Islam. "Moderates" are not the answer. Islam needs to be reformed in the same manner that Martin Luther and John Calvin reformed Christianity some 500 years ago.

When we are young, we might ask our parents to give us answers tobasic questions.

As we become older, we have morecomplex questions; some that parents may not have all of the most complete answers.

If we ask about Our Sun, there areAstronomers that spend a lifetime studying The Sun. Same with the Moon, with Jupiter or Saturn. Experts, with sophisticated tools. Others spend an adult lifetime juststudying the Rings of Saturn, and its moons. Or Jupiter's Red Spot, and surface storms!

Who knows More, the Astronomer, or the Imam?

If my family doctor says that I have a problem with my Heart, or Lungs, kidneys, the digestive system...I find an expert in that field of medicine. He even knows why the tiny mosquito makes me ill.

He knows more than the Imam!

I drive a Volvo. Should I take this car to a Ford Mechanic, or to an Imam?>>Now let's get to a Hundred Religions. Which of them really knows the most about a Creator-God? They all CLAIM to Know God, get 'Devine Revelations' Directly From G.O.D. They can PROVE that they know more about the most complex subject of all the great complexities! It's in Genesis! No.That's Old Testament. It's in theNew Testament, in the Four Gospels! Well, what about the Essenes? The Dead Sea Scrolls? Or the Mormons? Who? Another "expert" asks, "Have you read the 'Authentic' Translation of Qur'an?" Well then, tell me about Defensive & Offensive Jihad. When do I kill the non-believer? When do I get my 72 Virgins? Will they all be sweet, and Obedient?

Learned Theologist/Historians find general friendly agreement on most historical time-frames based on museum artifacts found in ancient ruins, and old writings. None create hatred. They all know the brutal history of these ancient religious systems. Wars. Human sacrifice, Animal sacrifice, BurntOfferings to G.O.D.>>In the past, it was God's Sword & Shield, and horse-drawn chariots determined which army, which religion...won the battle.>>In this age, it will be which nation with the best satellites, rockets, jet aircraft, warships, tanks, laser-guided missiles and nuclear weapons that will crush & burnentire cities & nations; kill, burn and cripple more millions of innocents; not a few hundred.

The Ayatollahs Want It. The ImamsAre Eager For It! Allah Akbar! Wipe Israel Off The Map! Let's bring back the mythical 12th Imam, 'The Madhi'. The Shi'a say that the Prophet Jesus will tell his followers to Obey The Madhi!>> All Sides Will Lose In This Final Battle; All Old Religions Will Lose. IF there are Survivors, they will go back in time 1400 years.

All honest seekers of truth will lose, because they put TheirFaith in old men with funny hats, holding Hadeeths, and stroking their graying beards.

We will all lose, because these "seekers" Love Their Ancient Holy Books More Than Their Nation;They Love "Imam", More Than Their Evolving Laws!

More Than Rules Governing Conduct!

Mohamed Wants "Proof"? Evidence? In the Hadeeths? Well, good luck, young man. I believe you are looking in the wrong place.

No. I don't want you to study my Holy Book, nor even to read it. But all what I want is not to judge it before reading it!! I told you that I can't judge any thing before reading it. If I did it then my point of view is worthless, no body will care for it. You are saying that Qur'an orders Muslims to kill innocents. So did you read it to know that?!!

If I saw a Budhist named A worshipping a cow called B, so it's an enough evidence that Mr.A worship this B cow. But is it an evidence that his book tells him to do that?!! I must check his book to see if it says that or not.

On the other hand; judging a belief is a thing, and judging deeds of believers is completely different. If I saw an American from a 'Black' company working in Iraq killing my brothers, have I conclude that American law orders killing innocents?!! If I saw an military American killing an Iraqi woman, have I conclude that American law orders killing women?!! Is that logical to conclude that?!! I think that NO. If I'm going to judge Americans killing my brothers then I'll say; Who did that are terrorists, killers, barbaric ..But if I was going to judge American law then I must firstly read it, understand it, and finally judge if it's good or not, judge if it permits freedom, equity, .. or not. But till this moment I didn't read it, so I can't judge it. But I saw Americans killing inocents on TVs, I saw Israelis killing civilians on TVs, so I judge them. But I didn't read American or Israeli law, so I don't judge them.

So, I don't need to know about the big number of events when innocents have been killed whether in Iraq, Palestine, Egypt, America, India, Algeria, Spain, England, .. . I just want you not to judge my Holy book through deeds of those who claim to follow it, without even you read it once. It's so unjust, so illogical to judge a thing without knowing it.

So, I insist on it; I don't ask you to read my Holy book, but I ask you not to judge it without reading it.

I hope that you got it.

About Imams and scientists you asked me who knows more about medicine, planets, math, etc. I believe that every one knows about what he studied; if I studied law I'll know about it more than who studied medicine. If you studied history you'll know about it more than who studied Math. And if he studied Shari'a he will know about it more than who studied Astronomy. If she studied Astronomy she will know about it more than who studied religion. That's how I believe. I don't believe as you said that an Imam or a Shari'a scholar will know about space more than an Astronomy.

Even Qur'an told us this fact; ..if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. 16:43 It clearly showed that every one knows about his field more than others.

Again; please don't judge me, don't judge my holy book before knowing what I believe and what my religion tells.

Last two question for you Mr.reb and I hope that you answer me honestly;

1)If I said; 'American law permits killing civilians', when I didn't read it before, how will you consider me?

a) Do I want you to continue asking the really tough questions, challenging me to defend our Legal system, our Freedom of Speech & Freedom of Religion; also the U.S. Government'sMilitary Behavior in a combat zone?

Yes. Absolutely. Love Your Courage!

b) Unlike the Taliban, and our Suicidal Insurgent Enemy in Iraq/Afganistan,WE have well-disciplined combat force of over 160,000 "boots on the ground" right now. If any soldier/marine Violates Our Rules of Warfare, he is subject to severe, long-termprison, for unjust killing of anypeaceful civilian men, women & kids. It's called 'Courts Martial'.

If this criminal is convicted for raping an Iraqi woman or child, he gets a "Dishonorable Discharge" and faces many years, or "Life",locked up in a cage. >>We do not deny that these things dooccasionally happen. When a person faces Life & Death Every Day, bad things can happen to "the brain".>>When a Jihadi Trooper gouges out the eyes on a corpse, cuts off thehead, (see Wasiristan) or rapes an Innocent, what is the punishment?You tell me.>>You don't have the time to study our great laws; I don't have muchtime to research your Qur'an.

The best I can do, is watch the Middle East, watch Tv, read the Daily Reports, stay informed, and alert the "pin-heads" here that Outside of Hollywood & Las Vegas there's a War Every Day, and youngmen are Dying to Protect Freedom.>>Do you hear about Our Politics?

A) Every day, some say we should get out of Iraq, bring our fine young people home. Let those crazy people kill each other. Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah. They blow each others Holy Mosques! No Jews Around, They kill each other!

B) Others say, "If we leave before we quiet the region, they will Follow Us Home, to kill the hated "Infidel". So, the war continues. Sad, but necessary.>> We Could Crush Iran in a few days, End More Years Of Slaughter. Or, do we WAIT until the Mullahs get their "Nukes"? Spread them around the world. You tell us.

I think that I got it now. I think that you don't want to discuss or understand me.

So, let me just clarify few facts before ending the discussion which I always hoped to be a real discussion depending on the real will of understanding each other, but now I'm diappointed of that.

First; you have a specific image about Islamic religion which comes from what TVs and Newspapers say in the west. What they want to say, not the complete truth. That's right that majority of killings of innocents these days are committed under the name of Islam and by using texts of Qur'an or Hadeeth. But is that right that Islam really has a hunger for blood?!! Is that true that all Muslims are bad?!! Is that true that all Muslims seek the blood of non-Muslims?!! NO and that is what you don't understand.

Media in the west only shows the bad side, but they completely ignore the good side of Muslims, they inflate the bad and micro the good, they aren't neutral.I imagine a dialouge between Mr.A the Muslim, and Mr.W the Western like that;

A. Did you hear about Qaeda?!! W. Yes, thouthands of times. A. Did you hear about Bin Laden. W. Yes, Millions of times. A. Did you watch 9-11?!! W. Thouthands. A. So, did you hear about Farooq El-Baz?!!W. Who?!!A. El-Baz. He participated in Apollo 15, and worked for years in NASA, he was an Egyptin Muslim.W. No, sorry I don't know about him.A. Did you hear about Ahmed Zewail?!!W. What about him?!!A. He is an Egyptian Muslim, a winning of Noble Prize.No, that's my first time.A. Did you hear about Nageeb Mahfouz, the Egyptian Muslim who won a Noble prize too?!!W. No, I only heard about the Egyptians who kidnapped Aeroplanes to attack American towers.A. So, did you hear about al-Khwārizmī, Ibn Sina, Ibn Khadoon, Ibn Al-Haytham, Al-Razi, Al-Biruni, Ibn Hayyan, Ibn Fernas?W. ....A. They were Muslim scientists in all fields; Math, Chemistry, Medicine, Astronomy, Physics, Philosophy, Animals, Geography, Flying, Optics, etc.No, I just heard about Zawahri and Bin Laden.A. !!!

There is hole of information between the West and the East.

Second; you don't have that true will of discussion. For example; when you wanted to comment on my last post which you asked me to write about it, you commented about it here not on my blog, why?!! Also, you always try not to answer much of my direct questions.

Understanding! Understanding is sovital, so very necessary. That's Why We All Need History!

a) NO! It Is Not Islam....that has blind hunger for blood-shed.

b) It Is Not True That All MuslimsAre Bad; many are fine people. If they are silent, it is to protect their family members and themselvesfrom retribution of a powerful, deadly evil. You & I know that.>>The Educated World knows about Saddam, and Uday & Qusay, and that French bastard, Jacques Chirac, and the Oil Vouchers at the U.N. The Osiris Nuke Reactor, 1975-1981.Saddam had the 4th largest militaryin the world.

"The Wages of Sin...Is Death".

The Saudi were filled with fear when he rolled into Kuwait! Here comes the USA to save them; bin Laden didn't like that. Infidels On "Holy" Soil! Do you know any of this, my friend? Check this for accuracy, you'll see it.

The World knows about the hundredsof suicide bombings around the world. It's Not Christians, Jews,Buddhist or Bahai...Or the USA.

The world knows about our U.S. Embassies, the Saudi Khobar Towers, the USS Cole at anchor in Yemen; the Blind Sheik in NY City in 1993, Madrid, London, etc, etc

Some that hate freedom, were happy,and laughed and were proud when people died in these small incidents. Tongues clucked on 9/11.We saw them on Tv.

They had listened for years, seen the cartoons that "little satan" was 'Pig & Monkey People'...in the Madrassa. In the cartoons!

They were told that "Big Satan" washere to STEAL their Oil, Not Buy It! Well, the Saudi Royals sent their family members to U.S. & European Schools for education. They sent very sick members to ourbest hospitals here, for serious illness. Old Father bin Laden builtMansions for Saudi Royalty with U.S. Oil Dollars, had 52 kids,became extremely wealthy.

Now our old Saudi Business Pardners have many Oil customers, do not need USA in 21st Century. Rivers of money flow, to build Mosques, spread a Power Religion World-wide, to Face Mecca! We know our old pardners very well.

Now, we are called "Murderers" by some for killing 'Innocent Japanese' in WWII. A Giant Propaganda Lie! We were attacked! China was attacked!We ended it, with a Terrible Bomb.

Accurate History Is Important. It's not necessary for me to read about those years; I remember it.Go to Japan, China, Europe, and read it there. Someone has corrupted your history books, if you think the U.S. is that evil.

Some Politicians Right Here Tell Evil Lies. I'm old; when they stretch the truth, Tell Lies to getElected, I recognise them. They arelike predatory wolves, Mohamed.

You have them too! Evil Leaders Tell Lies, that twist the truth;Fool many of the people, and They Give Islam A Bad Name! MamoudAhmadinejad Is An Evil Liar! His Grand Ayatollah wants Old Persia to rule the world, once again. He will fail, but many will suffer.

Understanding; understanding! The Truth Will Set You Free. Remember this please:

"Love Is Intense Goodwill, for Others"!>>If I lose you for a friend, I willbe extremely sad. reb__________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

Readers Take Notice:_________________________________My friendly correspondent, MrMohamed Fadly would like reb toput some of this conversation onhis Post. A nice gesture, but I have declined. There is more realtraffic here. More comments.>>All those that wish to visit hisweblog, have an exciting adventurehalf-way around the globe, pleaseVisit Him, and be sure to leave aCOMMENT on any post! Mohamed is aCourteous Host!_________________________________Tap (blue) 'mohamed'...you are in Egypt! Bon Voyage!! reb______________________________

I Propose A New Law...be added to our immigration policy,to wit:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Before Accepting Any Immigrant as a Citizen into our great nation, they must first be required to Sign, and Swear a Solemn Oath To Defend With Their Lives, Our First Amendment Principles of Freedom of Religion,

Speech, Press, and Thought, and ourRight to Peacefully Assemble.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Only two groups may wish to object:

a) Some Muslims may insist that there is Only One True Religion,

b) Jehovah's Witnesses have, as a Matter of Doctrine, refused to dona military uniform in the Defense Of Our Precious Liberty, For All.>> If You Cannot Defend It... You Do Not Deserve It. reb__________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

I Am With Israel, byEmilio Karim Dabul~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I am with Israelbecause a people so long denied bread & freedom,

crushed under the wheels of pharaohs, emperors, czars, andFuhrer,

has done more than any other peopleto free the world from itself.

What single people in history havecontributed more to faith, science,philosophy, and the arts?

And done so with a sword at their throats...

I am with Israelbecause my people so long in the desert, have not had the courage toacknowledge the great teachers among them, but instead have turnedon them, blamed them for all evil and shed their blood...

What other people could crawl away from the wreckage of the Holocaust and, instead of seeking revenge, build the miracle that is Israel?

Why has there been no Jewish homicide bombers?

Perhaps it is because despite all the spit, kicks and insults they'vefaced, along with the threat of extinction, the Jew would rather build than destroy.

I Am With Israelbecause I am with life,and because beyond its verdant desert, Israel offers the knowledge that those most desirous of peace and freedom are a people who have so long been denied it, and who with all they know of the world. look still toward Jerusalemand reach for their enemy's hand."

"Mohamed: Do you know that Muslims believe that both Bible (Old & New Testament) and Qur'an are sent by Allah? (Yes or No)>>Reb Answer: YES, that's what YOU Believe. (I am more cautious)."

Oh, Reb,Big mistake! Do you realize that he never read past the word YES in your answer? Because later, he made the comment that he was satisfied with your answer. You know why? He thinks you agree with him that the Bible, the New Testament, and the Qu'ran were sent by the Islamic religion--or Islam and Allah. They feel that the People of the Book corrupted Islam and wrote the Torah and made Islamic prophets starting with Moses and ending with Jesus and Mohammad their prophets. They believe that what is written in the Old Testament about Isaac and Ishmael is wrong, that it was written that way to dishonor Ishmael as "a donkey of a man", etc. that it was really Ishmael that was saved by the Angel when Abraham was going to sacrifice him. They don't believe that King David committed adultery because "the Prophets wouldn't commit such big sins". Allah, they say, gave us the Bible through Islam--that Mohammad is the last and the best of the Prophets of Islam. He is never satisfied with our answers unless we clearly say yes or no. If we don't answer the way he wants, he says he doesn't want to discuss the subject anymore or that we don't want to answer his questions. We have answered all his other questions on that theme that he wont let go of over and over again, and he says that we didn't answer his questions, that his questions were too "tough" for us to answer. But we did answer them, we know that; he just won't accept our answers. He told me that he didn't want to discuss the subject of the Palestinian question anymore when I told him I believed that "might makes right" in the case of Israel and gave him the example of Americans who almost annihilated completely the Native Americans because the new Americans were so determined and had advanced technology. We natives did not know peace along with the Americans, until we quit fighting. That was my answer to his question about how would we like it if someone came and took our land away. Well, my people didn't like it, but what could we do--keep fighting until we were just a memory, just some bones for an archaeologist to find? Or give up (if you can't beat em, join em). He refuses to look at history, that men are avaricious, that to the conquerer belong the spoils. All they can see is that the hated People of the Book have the upper hand again, and they can't stand it. It is like a wart on their livers! They ignore all the other more horrible goings on in the world and dwell so much on the Palestinian question. So be careful how you answer him---state the opposite of what he wants you to say, then explain it to him simply. He won't read or understand long dissertations. He won't like it if you answer in the opposite, but that is our answer. He refuses to see that all men have the capability of killing innocents who are in the way in a violent dispute.He sounds so much like Bin Laden in that he believes Islam to be the only true religion and that it is only Americans and Jews who kill innocents in the line of fire. I know how the Muslims feel to have their ancestor Ishmael called a donkey of a man. It is the way I feel when I read the Book of Mormon and see that they believe that everyone in ancient America was once "white and pretty" but that those who turned away from God were made "dark and loathsome", but if they come back to the Lord, we will all be white and pretty again. I told some Mormons about it, and they couldn't believe their book says that, but it does, all they have to do is read their own book. I know he doesn't believe in what the terrorists do, but I guess the terrorists don't read their own book or have different interpretations of it according to who their imam is. I'm with you in regards to organized religions: they are too partisan and just want power. That televangelist that just died swore he would live to see a Christian in the White House, and now that we have one he didn't stick around to see the mess he has made. Those evangelicals who voted him in are now sorry. They want their Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and they want their sons home. We can't seem to get anywhere---I guess we will see our hard-earned money going down the drain in all the hell-holes in the world until when? Our infrastructure in the meantime is going to the pits.

For The Next 10 Months, our nationwill be engaged in an epic battlefor the hearts & minds of our citizens.

We have a few people here that have vast wealth, and they spend it to corrupt our people withvile propaganda, hatred and cruel "reviles", and they seek to change Our Economy, and our BasicFinest Legal Traditions into an evil thing called "Open Society".

As an Elder Blogger, I shall do mysmall part, my very best effort To Expose Them! They have the money tobuy some politicans, Subvert Our Great Legal System. Our Laws!

So, I must ask that you forgive the interruption, with Uncommon Understanding. I cannot continue this fine discussion. The coming Election Is Far Too Important!

I hope to continue our chat, afterthe November, 2008 Voting! Good Luck, Study History. Keep Praying For A Peaceful Solution For ThisWorld; Never Give Up Hope! Future War Is Too Ugly To Imagine. reb__________________________________www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com

and Les Cagan as a frustrated, disgruntled "Hippy". It's curious, that S/H sees her as a Hard-Core Communist That Hates Everything That's Decent about the USA, and spends all her energy to defeat this nation...

It is inaccurate to call Japan of the 1920's, 1930s and early 40s Bushido Japan. Bushido is the way of the Samurai who were outlawed in Japan before the 20th century. Imperial Japan is more appropriate. Or perhaps, the Showa Era of Japan as that is how they record their time (Showa being the reign of Emperor Hirohito).

Furthermore, your assumptions that the War Crimes of dropping Atomic Bombs on innocent people helped to prevent loss of life is inaccurate. Let me give you a little history lesson. For months the United States fire-bombed all of the cities in Japan. They killed millions of people before the atomic bombs were even dropped. The Japanese knew they had lost the war, and Hirohito was finally coming to that realization as evidenced by him distancing himself and removing key members of the Military faction who (with Hirohito's blessing) hijacked the government and state of Japan from Taisho democrats around the 1920s. It was well known, by both MacArthur and the SWNCC (State-War-Navy-Coordinating-Committee), weeks prior to the Atomic bombings, that Japan was ready to capitulate and were attempting to erase documents and evidence of their own War Crimes. Now, though, in comes the Russians. The Russians, after finally putting together a military to push against the Japanese on their Eastern front and support our soldiers in the, Pacific theater, were about to arrive. The President, SWNCC, etc., decided they had to act decisively and force the Japanese to surrender in order to secure Japan as theirs and also because it had been realized by this point, that with all the nations in the world incredibly weakened or obliterated, that the only true powers left in the world would be Russia and America. The dropping of the Atomic bombs was a giant statement towards the world, and Russia in particular. In summation, the bombs were not dropped to force a surrender, because the surrender was already coming. They were dropped in order to force an immediate surrender so that the US forces could move in before the Russians arrived, and MacArthur and the US could set themselves up as the 'head honchos'.

As a side note to all that, look back to where I mentioned that the US had been fire-bombing all of the Japanese cities for months. Killing 80,000 people in one night in Tokyo alone. Interestingly enough, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were purposefully left untouched so that the United States could fully calculate and understand the destructive capabilities of their new weapons.

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

You should watch the documentary, "Why We Fight". It has dire warnings from Ike about the "Industrial Military-Complex" and the elite, and powerful companies, pulling strings for war in order to profit.