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To get a lot more power of the E92 M3 in NA form beyond bolt ons increasing the displacement is really the way to go. An extra 600cc's is a nice chunk to pick up made possible by the relatively short stroke in stock form providing quite a bit of room to grow. However, the LS6 V8 under the hood of the C5 Z06 is sill larger at 5.7 liters. With an aggressive cam only the Z06 can put out in the 420 wheel range and with exhaust and intake 450 wheel is within reason.

The S65 V8 at 4.6 liters is capable of 441 wheel horsepower. So, on paper, this actually makes for a fairly good race especially with a DCT M3. Yes, the C5 Z06 has a weight advantage but the M3's higher redline makes for a gearing advantage. So what is the problem? The 20 inch Hartge wheels the owner chose to put on his car which are basically boat anchors sapping power. The Hartge badge on the trunk clearly not making it up for it.

Furthermore, the 441 wheel number for a stroker M3 came from an RDsport setup, not Dinan. Dinan uses a fairly mild tune and has yet to demonstrate as high of dyno numbers with their motor. To really take advantage of this setup the M3 owner needs to ditch the wheels, get a new tune, and also look into Schrick cams as the stroker moves the peak of the powerband to the left. Much more horsepower is there to be had by moving the torque curve to the right towards redline with a more aggressive profile similar to how this Z06 gains power with its cam setup.

Enjoy the race, but seems silly for the M3 owner to spend all that money on the motor only to limit it in other areas.

hey did, they gave it more than the S65 and comparable to the higher level v8's...

It puts out basically 10 whp more stock with 2.2 more liters. How is that comparable to anything else? It's the exact same range.

Originally Posted by LostMarine

they could, just not to the public.. THANK YOU!! thats what ive been saying

They do give it more power to the public in the GTS. It's the cost that's the factor and you are not understanding. BMW could turn it into an F1 motor and rev it to the moon, and? You wan't a $200k+ M3? You can't afford a GT3 RS 4.0 with its motor that you are saying is oh so great.

Originally Posted by LostMarine

right, but not easily from basic bolt-ons, or n/a without doing serious work! They $#@!ed the public into thinking it was a more capable car, because it won "awwards" and a race motor capable of delivering what the public thought they ewould get

i never said anything about fun. the m3 is fun. i said it would be an ass kicker if it had , or was capable of, more power n/a-basic bolt on.. the miata and s2k are far far better options, and faster.. right? once again, im not talking 20-30 more, it would need 50 more, N/A-bolt-on to have achieved an epic status. but once again, according to sticky, the s2k is a better car/motor, faster, and more impressive..

My situtaion two years ago, I needed a car that at least fit 4 people. In my case can fit 5. I honestly don't think there was another car that suited my needs more than the E90 M3. Daily driver all week, fits family, and can transform to a good weekend track car. What car did I overlook when buying a car? I guess all cars could be better, there is always room for improvement. There really isn't a "perfect" car. But at the time, the M3 was as close to perfect for my situation.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Nobody designs an OEM platform for roll racing... That being said the majority of M3 owners spend their time on the road. Stop light to stop light, merging into traffic and highways are where most spend their time. Thats where their short comings in daily driving show up.

Guess it just difference of opinion. I don't have a problem dropping down a couple gears to snap the necks of my passengers. My buddy has a C63, it just feels lazy driving it. But for his personality, he loves it.

Dodge specifically included forged pistons in the new Viper for the guys that want to turbo.

Show me where Dodge said they did forged pistons so folks could go turbo. Like they built if for Hennessey, UGR, RSi and others to go HAM. If so thats awesome and it would be a first that an OEM built a motor with the aftermarket specifically in mind.

You can get to 400 whp NA without stroking it as I already told you @BrenM3 has done it.

Secondly, you can probably hit 5XX whp NA with stroking it. I'd love to try but I'm boosted and nobody else is willing to spend the money. The parts are there, go for it.

i said realistic. realistic, to me, and the rest of the reality based humans, means that a certain variance in hp is epxected, but can be backed up with performance #'s. 42xhp on that dyno should have been more than 116mph..

judged by who? oh, this mythical award system that noone cares about because its just a piece of paper

It puts out basically 10 whp more stock with 2.2 more liters. How is that comparable to anything else? It's the exact same range.

so, again, im right. its MORE to start with, and MUCH MORE when bolted on.. awesome point you make
They do give it more power to the public in the GTS. It's the cost that's the factor and you are not understanding. BMW could turn it into an F1 motor and rev it to the moon, and? You wan't a $200k+ M3? You can't afford a GT3 RS 4.0 with its motor that you are saying is oh so great.gts is available at every dealer? wow. i didnt know that.. its street legal? wow, didnt know that.. oh, its not, and not.. damn.. i guess we only compare bmw race cars to everyone elses street cars now eh..

judged by who? oh, this mythical award system that noone cares about because its just a piece of paper

By just about, oh, everyone?

Jeremy Clarkson of BBC television show Top Gear says: "This [The M3] is the best car, and always will be, and there's no point in ever thinking otherwise."

IT'S NOT A STANDARD SET BY HORSEPOWER ALONE

Originally Posted by LostMarine

so, again, im right. its MORE to start with, and MUCH MORE when bolted on.. awesome point you make

More horsepower stock doesn't equal more performance stock. You are looking solely at engine output, it's kind of sad at this point dude.

And who said a bigger motor won't offer more power NA? Why can't you grasp this still?

Originally Posted by LostMarine

gts is available at every dealer? wow. i didnt know that.. its street legal? wow, didnt know that.. oh, its not, and not.. damn.. i guess we only compare bmw race cars to everyone elses street cars now eh..

Um ya it's available at every dealer where it's sold and it's street legal. And it's not a race car, wtf are you talking about? You don't even know the subjects you are discussing as you blatant Mercedes M156 engine oversight showed.

Originally Posted by LostMarine

This is an unrealistic idiotic statement

Oh, BMW's should be all about horsepower per dollar? Bro, BUY A MUSTANG AND BE DONE WITH IT.