Comments on: Julius Peppers Offers Lovieball Advicehttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/
Just another WordPress weblogTue, 31 Mar 2015 18:11:15 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: PRBucFanhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410708
Sun, 22 Jun 2014 08:28:18 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410708Schiano as you used to complain about all the time Hawaiian “controlled and micromanaged” every aspect of this team down to the players that were drafted.

First of all, “Players he missed on” doesn’t have to fall exclusively within the draft. He whiffed on quite a few players, Eric Wright and Carl Nicks being the first two that come to mind. It doesn’t get much worse than that, although obviously Nicks was just a case of extremely bad luck.
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It wasn’t bad luck making a freaking offensive guard the most highly paid player on the team is utter stupidity. He also whiffed on giving up a 1st and 3rd to make a 29 year old CB coming off a huge ACL injury the new highest paid player on the team at $1 million per game.

Second, any comparison of Michael Johnson to Julius Peppers is also silly – perhaps you could compare Peppers to Simeon Rice, but last I checked – Michael Johnson was NOT a 6′ 7″, 283 lbs bolt of lightning with a HUGE wingspan and played as a power-forward for an NCAA Final Four team (who also has the nickname “The Freak” that described him perfectly)…any comparison of this nature is deliberately setting the bar too high.
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Really? It’s silly to compare Johnson to Peppers? Johnson was considered the freak of the 2009 combine, measuring it at 6’7 and 266 lbs and with sub 4.7 speed in the 40, vertical jumping 38.5″ and putting up the bar 28 times on 225. No, he wasn’t a starting forward in the Final Four, which is hardly relevant to playing DE in the NFL. His game is based more on speed and explosion than strength and power like Peppers, but to suggest it to be silly to be able to compare the two is beyond silly. As for the comparison of Johnson to Simeon Rice…. DUHHHH! Johnson is a bigger stronger clone of Simeon Rice. That’s why Lovie pursued him first and foremost when free agency opened. Johnson is a FREAK, you obviously know nothing about him.

]]>By: scuboghttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410629
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:05:56 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410629I loved Simeon Rice and don’t understand why he was never recognized as much as he deserved for his role in that championship season. Someone asked Michael Johnson about Jay Gruden. His response, “Don’t expect the second coming of “Chucky.”
]]>By: Hawaiian Buchttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410626
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 04:59:49 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410626@Toes on the Line,

First of all, “Players he missed on” doesn’t have to fall exclusively within the draft. He whiffed on quite a few players, Eric Wright and Carl Nicks being the first two that come to mind. It doesn’t get much worse than that, although obviously Nicks was just a case of extremely bad luck.

I don’t believe Dominik was a great GM by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn’t call him the worst ever either, as he did make some good moves. However, his overall record combined with drafting poorly early on, drafting Freeman, and most importantly hiring Schiano, made his firing absolutely justified. However, Schiano was, in my opinion, terrible for us in virtually every single way possible. I don’t believe he is responsible for the good players we drafted any more than anyone else in the scouting department. Probably much less,considering he is a lower level college coach who never quite realized he was coaching grown arse men. For the record, I don’t blame him for the whiffs any more than I credit him for his good moves.It is much more likely that Dominik learned from his terrible early drafts, and learned the kind of players and men he wanted. But this complete nonsense that Schiano is some expert talent evaluator is beyond laughable. Anyone who truly believes that should have their head examined. We drafted a couple good players in his regime, but not enough to win more than 4 games last year. Even the Jaguars have a couple good players, so let’s not get all hot and bothered with our last couple drafts. Remind me again, how many picks from the last 2 years are Pro Bowlers? How many are in the top 100? Not too damn many is the answer. The bar has been set so low by the Raheem era that drafting anyone that has even an above average season is spectacular to some people. Wake me up when Barron, Jonathan Banks, and Mike Glennon become superstars. Until then, let’s not build a statue for the drafting prowess of Greg Schiano. Fair enough?

]]>By: Chef Paulhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410622
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:57:33 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410622I have no problem giving Schiano most of the credit for the drafts. Dom was good at getting the coaches the guys they wanted. I also have no problem giving Schiano most of the blame for the misses.

But at the end of the day, even though he cant game day coach worth a hill of beans, he left this team in better shape than he found it.

QB, WR’s, RB’s, TE, D-line, and LB’s, were better when he got canned then when he was hired.

]]>By: ToesOnTheLinehttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410620
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 03:37:24 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410620To Hawaiian you said “what about all the players he” (Shiano) “missed on”. If by your logic I am merely assuming Schiano was responsible for the 2012 – 2013 drafts then perhaps you are likewise assuming Schiano was responsible for whatever “players he missed on” instead of Dominick? That argument works both ways (though Dom had a previous record of poor personnel decisions and Schiano was a good recruiter even in the college ranks). Obviously you consider Schiano’s tenure in Tampa as a nightmare whereas I see him as having done far more long lasting good for the team than what’re negative a single bad season did to the fanbase. We will have to agree to disagree.
]]>By: Kevinhttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410615
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:15:35 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410615I like Johnson’s endorsement of Collins since he seems to be the main FA signing that receives the most skepticism.
]]>By: Hawaiian Buchttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410613
Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:55:22 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410613Why do you assume Schiano drafted those guys? Maybe Dominik got better at drafting with experience? Pretty sure it’s a skill that takes time to develop. But nah, Schiano just came in from Rutgers and drafted everyone all by himself. You just keep telling yourself that. Maybe you can convince others.
]]>By: ToesOnTheLinehttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410593
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:19:09 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410593@ Hawaiian

Well most people give Schiano credit for being excellent at drafting, so who exactly did he miss on in the draft? 7th round pick Drake Dunsmore? 7th round pick Michael Smith? Who else is either not still a Buc or at least on an NFL team? I’d say compared to Rah’s tenure of being involved in the draft Schiano looks like F’in Nostradamus of NFL drafting

]]>By: bucray1http://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410591
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:54:57 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410591gotta give you that one joe . I was ecstatic at the way we fleeced Chicago on that trade. although , I don’t know if it was due more to lovie or the gm of the bears. either way , it looks like he learned his lesson after that debacle.here’s hoping that Johnson turns out more like Peppers than Adams.
]]>By: Joehttp://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/06/julius-peppers-offers-lovieball-advice/comment-page-1/#comment-3410578
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 20:18:46 +0000http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=114937#comment-3410578

What about all the players he missed on? Funny how people love to blame Dominik for that, yet somehow give Schiano credit for the others.

Ha ha, glad you enjoyed yourself! It’s a great place, but definitely not for those who like to party late nights. And yeah, that jet lag is rough. So much worse leaving Hawaii versus getting there. I’m headed to Tampa September 1, so I’ll get to enjoy that jet lag soon enough.