All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

There is strong evidence an interventionist god does not exist. That evidence is a glaring lack of intervention. The idea that some guy in the sky rewards us or punishes us based on our insignificant actions, based on zero evidence, is childish.

With that said, I am not opposed to the idea that consciousness, as a property of the universe, exists outside of our mind. If anyone thinks that is too strange, they have never really thought about how strange it is that the subjective conscious experience exists at all.

I have questions.Why an eternal omnipotent, omniscient being?Why would such a being create what he already knows?Why would such a being create a failed creation?Why would such a being create alternative creations (heaven/hell)?Why would such a being demand worship?

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act".

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

There is strong evidence an interventionist god does not exist. That evidence is a glaring lack of intervention. The idea that some guy in the sky rewards us or punishes us based on our insignificant actions, based on zero evidence.

intervention with what? wouldn't that be people? and if it was with people they just might tell someone else their experiences with a God that intervenes in their lives. in this case that would be what is commonly known, as the bible. which is a documentation of what people in the past have experienced do to God's intervention.

With that said, I am not opposed to the idea that consciousness, as a property of the universe, exists outside of our mind. If anyone thinks that is too strange, they have never really thought about how strange it is that the subjective conscious experience exists at all.

not to get into a discussion about it, but consider how does consciousness come from what is not conscious, and how come there is no physical evidence of it's source. all other things in the universe have elements they are of, like time energy space and matter, but none of these have a conscious will that values.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

There is strong evidence an interventionist god does not exist. That evidence is a glaring lack of intervention. The idea that some guy in the sky rewards us or punishes us based on our insignificant actions, based on zero evidence.

intervention with what? wouldn't that be people? and if it was with people they just might tell someone else their experiences with a God that intervenes in their lives. in this case that would be what is commonly known, as the bible. which is a documentation of what people in the past have experienced do to God's intervention.

Even you believe that anecdotal evidence is unreliable when it doesn't fit with your world view. For example, I'm sure you don't believe that an angel actually appeared to Joseph Smith and commanded him to write holy text.

With that said, I am not opposed to the idea that consciousness, as a property of the universe, exists outside of our mind. If anyone thinks that is too strange, they have never really thought about how strange it is that the subjective conscious experience exists at all.

not to get into a discussion about it, but consider how does consciousness come from what is not conscious, and how come there is no physical evidence of it's source. all other things in the universe have elements they are of, like time energy space and matter, but none of these have a conscious will that values.

I'm not disputing that but concluding that an interventionists god exists is quite a leap with gaps in logic. It is A explanation; it is not THE explanation.

Belief in a tri-omni personal (etc., etc.) theistic god is completely illogical. Reality argues against it. If we wanted to break belief in god down to degrees of rationality, then the most simple definition of god is the most reasonable. However, "most reasonable" is not necessarily logical.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

Theism is "crap", but a creator? Hmmmm....

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At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is...its obvious you simply dont like the outcome.The demonstration of creation in the lab was enough to show its the only way things come together. Nuff said really

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

There is strong evidence an interventionist god does not exist. That evidence is a glaring lack of intervention. The idea that some guy in the sky rewards us or punishes us based on our insignificant actions, based on zero evidence.

intervention with what? wouldn't that be people? and if it was with people they just might tell someone else their experiences with a God that intervenes in their lives. in this case that would be what is commonly known, as the bible. which is a documentation of what people in the past have experienced do to God's intervention.

Even you believe that anecdotal evidence is unreliable when it doesn't fit with your world view. For example, I'm sure you don't believe that an angel actually appeared to Joseph Smith and commanded him to write holy text.

I wasn"t there, I can"t say one way or the other, and it"s my understanding that nothing they say or do is contrary to what is in the bible used by most of chirtainty they claim to believe. Also there is some claims that those who were with joseph smith witnessed what is sometimes referred to as the Merkabah. Therefore, proof to them that God was with joseph smith.

With that said, I am not opposed to the idea that consciousness, as a property of the universe, exists outside of our mind. If anyone thinks that is too strange, they have never really thought about how strange it is that the subjective conscious experience exists at all.

not to get into a discussion about it, but consider how does consciousness come from what is not conscious, and how come there is no physical evidence of it's source. all other things in the universe have elements they are of, like time energy space and matter, but none of these have a conscious will that values.

I'm not disputing that but concluding that an interventionists god exists is quite a leap with gaps in logic. It is A explanation; it is not THE explanation.

intervention is experienced, or it's not intervention of any real sort. therefore not calculated, or reasoned into logic. how is it illogical that a God who is Creator and Judge wouldn't intervene in the affairs of men as He pleases. it is His prerogative to do so or not do so, at His will.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is...its obvious you simply dont like the outcome.The demonstration of creation in the lab was enough to show its the only way things come together. Nuff said really

"Oh, "Nuff".

No, you simply have a very limited understanding of religion. There are atheistic religions such as Buddhism, especially Zen, Daoism, Jainism. Even certain branches of Hinduism are atheistic. Certain Gnostic variants can also be said to be atheistic.

It's simply a product of ignorance to claim that "All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is".

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is...its obvious you simply dont like the outcome.The demonstration of creation in the lab was enough to show its the only way things come together. Nuff said really

"Oh, "Nuff".

No, you simply have a very limited understanding of religion. There are atheistic religions such as Buddhism, especially Zen, Daoism, Jainism. Even certain branches of Hinduism are atheistic. Certain Gnostic variants can also be said to be atheistic.

It's simply a product of ignorance to claim that "All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is".

So you only hate christianity?

If it is personal then you must understandthere was some reason, probably themaintaining of free will.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is...its obvious you simply dont like the outcome.The demonstration of creation in the lab was enough to show its the only way things come together. Nuff said really

"Oh, "Nuff".

No, you simply have a very limited understanding of religion. There are atheistic religions such as Buddhism, especially Zen, Daoism, Jainism.

Your wrong about this. These are philosophys. Not sure what this has to do with the fact that every civilization has believed in the divine.Even certain branches of Hinduism are atheistic. Certain Gnostic variants can also be said to be atheistic.Again philosophic points of view. Right because the verdas have no divine inference...

It's simply a product of ignorance to claim that "All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is".

Thats what they are...Again the point still stands that creation has been shown in the lab. This is just how it was done like it or not.

Clearly, God exists as an idea, and that idea has a significant effect on us and in the world, through us. So I don't see why you're wasting time and energy on the question of the existence of God when the fact that you asked it, already answers it.

The far more interesting questions, then, and the pertinent ones, I think, are about the perceptual/conceptual nature of "God", and how these effect us individually and collectively, and how they effect the universe, through us.

No one ever seems to want to ask these questions, though. Which I find immensely puzzling.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

No, a belief in God is not logical. But I have never heard of an idea for the creation(or beginning) of the universe or life that was logical.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

Well it is more logical than not believing in him, that is for sure.

Believing in the right God is extremely logical.

It impossible to make a horse drink which is not thirsty, or eat if it is not hungry.

Likewise it is impossible to teach a person who does not wish to learn. Matthew 13:15.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

False analogy. A parent is a human as are his/her children. Evolution has molded us and other animals to care for our offspring (at least up to a certain age). It is a highly successful strategy for the continuation of a species.

A god who is immaterial, the creator of this vast universe and not bound by time can be nothing like a human. A better comparison between god and us would be between us and an ant. Do you care about the sex life of your average ant?

Fu-Ming: "So explain to us how wasps look like wasps 100 million years later. I'll wait".
Me: What part of the theory of evolution states that a species must change? I'll wait.
Fu-Ming: *crickets*

At 4/19/2016 3:09:48 PM, bulproof wrote:I have questions.Why an eternal omnipotent, omniscient being?Why would such a being create what he already knows?Why would such a being create a failed creation?Why would such a being create alternative creations (heaven/hell)?Why would such a being demand worship?

Good questions!

Fu-Ming: "So explain to us how wasps look like wasps 100 million years later. I'll wait".
Me: What part of the theory of evolution states that a species must change? I'll wait.
Fu-Ming: *crickets*

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

Do you think a parent is concerned with the way of life their children live by?

Depends on the parent.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

All religious accounts are an attempt at knowing who God is...its obvious you simply dont like the outcome.

The outcome is always retarded and stupid, so yes, that is an outcome I don't like.

The demonstration of creation in the lab was enough to show its the only way things come together. Nuff said really

No, not nuff said. What creation? What are you talking about?

"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

No, a belief in God is not logical. But I have never heard of an idea for the creation(or beginning) of the universe or life that was logical.

So so true.

"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

Well it is more logical than not believing in him, that is for sure.

Why?

Believing in the right God is extremely logical.

Ooh! Ooh! Let me guess....yours

Did I winz?

"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

Well it is more logical than not believing in him, that is for sure.

Why?

because it provides logical, and accurate, answers to every question of any real importance.

Believing in the right God is extremely logical.

Ooh! Ooh! Let me guess....yours

Did I winz?

There is no other true God, there there are other gods faithful to him, and many who aren't.

No, you didn't win, no-one wins, only Jehovah.

Some of us aren't interested in winning,

It impossible to make a horse drink which is not thirsty, or eat if it is not hungry.

Likewise it is impossible to teach a person who does not wish to learn. Matthew 13:15.

At 4/19/2016 1:37:28 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:All whom are critical thinkers and have an IQ of above 90 know that theism is utter bullcrap. But what about belief in God in general?

Sure, the idea of an all powerful spirit being and ruler of the universe (who ironically has the fashion style of a homeless man) floating about the clouds, spending his life being indignant at your...unique sex life is...retarded.

On the other hand, what if a God existed. That is, as an ultramundane being beyond the realm of this universe. Is this logical? Not necessarily like a spirit. Is this a profound idea? Or is it the insane ramblings of a lunatic in a high security asylum?

Let me know!

Well it is more logical than not believing in him, that is for sure.

Why?

because it provides logical, and accurate, answers to every question of any real importance.

Believing in the right God is extremely logical.

Ooh! Ooh! Let me guess....yours

Did I winz?

There is no other true God, there there are other gods faithful to him, and many who aren't.

In other words, yes. I thought so.

No, you didn't win, no-one wins, only Jehovah.

Some of us aren't interested in winning,

"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson