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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Dolphins AM talk radio today is saying that if Manning goes to Denver, their owner Stephen Ross (who likes star power) may trade for Tebow, having to outbid Jacksonville.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Tebow would be dumb to leave Denver if Peyton signs. If Tebow kept his mobility and gained 25% of the talent Peyton has in the pocket he would be a possible Pro Bowl QB when Manning retires in 3 years.

I'm still surprised he's not considering Seattle really. Great stadium, great fans, and they were 7-9 last year with a terrible QB.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Tebow would be dumb to leave Denver if Peyton signs. If Tebow kept his mobility and gained 25% of the talent Peyton has in the pocket he would be a possible Pro Bowl QB when Manning retires in 3 years.

I'm still surprised he's not considering Seattle really. Great stadium, great fans, and they were 7-9 last year with a terrible QB.

How would Tebow gain that mobility and talent if he was sitting on the bench behind Peyton? Sure Manning could teach him some things, but there's nothing Manning could offer him that is more valuable than taking reps in practice and playing in actual games.

If I'm Tebow, I'd want out immediately if they signed Peyton. Tebow had plenty of sloppy moments last year, but lots of QBs are sloppy in their first full year. At the end of the day though, he led that team to a playoff win against a superior Pittsburgh team. Clearly a healthy Manning is light-years better than Tebow and if I were Denver I'd certainly be trying to sign him. But from Tebow's standpoint, he is good enough to start on several NFL teams and if I were him I'd try to force my way to one.

One reason I'm kind of surprised that Peyton is looking at Denver is because he's always advocated how good young QBs should have the opportunity to start. But by going to the Broncos, he would basically be ruining the early part of Tebow's career there. Don't get me wrong, I think he should sign there if he thinks it's the best fit as he would clearly make them a much better team. But I just thought he would be more inclined to go to Miami because they are looking for a QB upgrade regardless of whether they get Manning or not. He wouldn't be stepping on anyone's toes there.

From Tebow's standpoint: Yeah, it's Peyton Manning, but he's 36 and will have not taken a snap in 20 months by the time the season starts in September. Tebow led the Broncos to a playoff win and rejuvenated the fan base. Any athlete would probably be a bit offended by getting kicked to the curb like that.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

I don't think Denver is really committed to Tebow so it's possible Tebow is gone whether Manning comes or not. Manning coming would just give them some cover to make the move and I can't see fans storming the gates if Tebow is released but they get Manning.

So if Manning goes there it might look like he's pushing Tebow out or into the background, but he probably knows that really isn't the case. ...IMHO

From the outside looking in the only possible reason I could see for Manning to not want to go to Miami would be out of respect to Marino and feeling the "star" QB that finally replaces the memory of Marino shouldn't be a pre-packaged (aging?) star coming in from FA. It should be a young QB coming in and growing into the role.

I'm not sure I agree with that thinking, if it's even the thought process.

My guess would be Miami should be Peyton's #1 destination. So if they're interested I'm not sure why he wouldn't be.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

I don't think Denver is really committed to Tebow so it's possible Tebow is gone whether Manning comes or not. Manning coming would just give them some cover to make the move and I can't see fans storming the gates if Tebow is released but they get Manning.

So if Manning goes there it might look like he's pushing Tebow out or into the background, but he probably knows that really isn't the case. ...IMHO

From the outside looking in the only possible reason I could see for Manning to not want to go to Miami would be out of respect to Marino and feeling the "star" QB that finally replaces the memory of Marino shouldn't be a pre-packaged (aging?) star coming in from FA. It should be a young QB coming in and growing into the role.

I'm not sure I agree with that thinking, if it's even the thought process.

My guess would be Miami should be Peyton's #1 destination. So if they're interested I'm not sure why he wouldn't be.

I agree that Denver isn't really committed to Tebow, but they were pretty much forced to to keep him next year after that playoff win. I think Peyton is the only available player that could kick Tebow out this season.

Fans will definitely be pleased with signing Manning as they should be. There's no doubt that the Broncos would be a SB contender with a healthy Manning, so they should definitely try to make this move. But if they don't get Manning, then I just really don't see any other scenario where they could kick Tebow out in 2012 and not tick the fans off. So I think Manning would be directly responsible for Tebow not being the starter in 2012.

I don't buy that Marino theory because Manning is interested in Denver, a franchise that identifies with Elway just like the Dolphins do with Marino. Maybe he's heard some things about the organizational structure in Miami that have turned him off. Denver has the Elway-Fox tandem which no doubt would impress someone who likes stability and structure like Manning.

From the outside, Miami just makes so much sense. So there is clearly something there that has turned him off if these reports are true.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

I don't buy that Marino theory because Manning is interested in Denver, a franchise that identifies with Elway just like the Dolphins do with Marino. Maybe he's heard some things about the organizational structure in Miami that have turned him off. Denver has the Elway-Fox tandem which no doubt would impress someone who likes stability and structure like Manning.

From the outside, Miami just makes so much sense. So there is clearly something there that has turned him off if these reports are true.

Clearly for the Bronco deal he'd have Elway's blessing... Maybe he needs Marino's blessing before he legitimately considers Miami?

I'm just guessing... I'm having a hard time trying to figure why Miami wouldn't be an option. Market-wise, having Miami as an option, even if it isn't really a preferred option, helps drive up the price for Manning. So if Manning/agent doesn't really want Miami at least publicly thought of as an option then it makes me wonder.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Heh... unless Miami's allegedly not an option because it's so obvious so the agent/Manning want Miami to think they are really gonna have to step up to the plate because Arizona and Denver are where Manning's looking at hard.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

One reason I'm kind of surprised that Peyton is looking at Denver is because he's always advocated how good young QBs should have the opportunity to start. But by going to the Broncos, he would basically be ruining the early part of Tebow's career there.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

How would Tebow gain that mobility and talent if he was sitting on the bench behind Peyton? Sure Manning could teach him some things, but there's nothing Manning could offer him that is more valuable than taking reps in practice and playing in actual games.

If I'm Tebow, I'd want out immediately if they signed Peyton. Tebow had plenty of sloppy moments last year, but lots of QBs are sloppy in their first full year. At the end of the day though, he led that team to a playoff win against a superior Pittsburgh team. Clearly a healthy Manning is light-years better than Tebow and if I were Denver I'd certainly be trying to sign him. But from Tebow's standpoint, he is good enough to start on several NFL teams and if I were him I'd try to force my way to one.

One reason I'm kind of surprised that Peyton is looking at Denver is because he's always advocated how good young QBs should have the opportunity to start. But by going to the Broncos, he would basically be ruining the early part of Tebow's career there. Don't get me wrong, I think he should sign there if he thinks it's the best fit as he would clearly make them a much better team. But I just thought he would be more inclined to go to Miami because they are looking for a QB upgrade regardless of whether they get Manning or not. He wouldn't be stepping on anyone's toes there.

From Tebow's standpoint: Yeah, it's Peyton Manning, but he's 36 and will have not taken a snap in 20 months by the time the season starts in September. Tebow led the Broncos to a playoff win and rejuvenated the fan base. Any athlete would probably be a bit offended by getting kicked to the curb like that.

I don't see any teams interesting in Tebow as a long-term starting option, that was my assumption in making the point I did. Obviously if he could go somewhere and start and get starter's reps and be the long term option it might make sense for him, but anywhere he goes he's going to be a stop-gap and if he leaves Denver it is just going to start a cycle of him getting passed around the league like the journeyman QB that his current talent level represents. Tebow is right now an effective mobile QB but he can't read the defense to save his life sometimes, that is definitely a skill Peyton could teach him despite any physical limitations Tebow does have. Tebow has to decide if he wants to be Denver's consensus starter in three years or if he wants to start in Jacksonville next year and be horribly exposed.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Personally, I want him to go to Arizona. Not only do I think it's the best fit, but it would mean his games would be on Fox and not get pre-empted for Colts games. Denver's west coast, and I would think most of their games would be 4pm, so that wouldn't be horrible. If he goes to Miami, though, we won't get to see half his games because they'll be on the same time as us.

Of course, wherever he goes he'll get 4 or 5 night games, so that's a plus.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

I'll be surprised if he goes to Miami. I just think facing Brady and the Patriots twice a year probably is not too appealing to him. Why fight for a wildcard spot when you can wrap up a division else where.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Heh... unless Miami's allegedly not an option because it's so obvious so the agent/Manning want Miami to think they are really gonna have to step up to the plate because Arizona and Denver are where Manning's looking at hard.

If I were him I would get all the other teams offers that I was on the fence on and then go to my favorite team with that information. Possibly Miama..

Seems logical to me but also consider Arizona has to make a call on Kolb contract very soon or there on the hook for his contract.

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Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

The negatives would be backlash from the hardest of hardcore Tebow fans and bad outdoor weather at home (though favorable with respect to in-division road games other than Kansas City).

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The negatives would be backlash from the hardest of hardcore Tebow fans and bad outdoor weather at home (though favorable with respect to in-division road games other than Kansas City).

I am not sure about that Slick.

Jackson will get somewhere around 12 million a year and I am Sure Mannign will ask somewhere between 17 to 20 million a year. Wayne wants probably 10 million a year and he will get less but that leaves 4 million left if those number play out.

The market this year will drive up the cost of WR's like Jackson IMO and then your left with the comparison of supporting cast and coaches.

Re: Peyton likely to sign with Broncos or Cardinals

Manning to Miami makes sense from a personal, team, and league standpoint.

Personally, he owns a home there, so he would be able to settle his family there without nearly the disruption in his personal family life that playing anywhere else would cause.

Miami has enough talent to becaome dangerous with Manning, and an owner very much willing to spend, as all Miami based franchises are.

The NFL would absolutely be overwhelmingly in favor of it due to Peyton vs. Brady twice during the regular season, and likely once in the playoffs for 2 or 3 more years, the possibility of a Manning bowl story line for the Super Bowl for a while longer, and a marquee player in the market that is possibly the hottest superstar market in both the NBA and MLB.

If Peyton goes anywhere else, it will shock me about as much as Jim O'Brien coming out with a public apology to Pacers fans because he now recognizes the folly of the "stretch 4".