You know, if I was trying to build a case in my own self-interest here, I'd
just let this stand, but I have never administered any medication to you,
ever. -dru
On Jun 17, 2013 6:31 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
> @Gavin: It's possible that I can do a video chat for the meeting. If
> anyone wants to help set that up, feel free to send me a private email.
>> @Ron: I'd honestly rather not get the law enforcement involved. Having to
> deal with court cases in an entirely different city is not something I want
> to even bother spending my time doing, not to mention the fact that I don't
> believe any crime is worth locking a human being up. I just want this
> brought up at a meeting so the people who have been feeling far too
> uncomfortable to show up at Noisebridge can once again feel safe.
>> @Andrew: I don't recall exposing myself after you reached around my body,
> all I remember is not being able to look at you and feeling heavily
> violated by your inappropriate touch. You had administered my shot before
> without violating my personal space, so perhaps you're mixing it up with
> one of those times.
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>> Ah yes, this I remember. You laid down on the table, I moved to unzip
>> your pants, you deferred, unzipped them with your hand, then exposed
>> yourself for the medical administration you had asked for.
>>>> Humbly submitted to the daylight of public opinion; I've got nothing to
>> hide and I'm glad this is being recorded by the publicly searchable Google
>> alongside the NSA.
>> On Jun 17, 2013 12:46 PM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> You tried to unzip my pants for me, that's what initially made me
>>> uncomfortable. You reached around my body, putting your hands very near my
>>> genitals and began to unzip my pants for me. That's when I tensed up and
>>> asked you what the fuck you were doing. You made me far too tense and
>>> uncomfortable to receive a shot from you. It also wasn't until Kim came
>>> into the room offering you weed that you actually left. Dante was not in
>>> the room when it happened, it was only you and I. However Dante did see my
>>> fear, shock and discomfort after the incident. And it was Dante who helped
>>> calm me down enough to be able to receive my estrogen injection.
>>>>>> The email I sent to Tony, which was later sent to Liz is word for word
>>> what happened. Below is a screenshot.
>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side;
>>>> it is clear to me now what this is.
>>>>>>>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her
>>>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when
>>>> Lillian asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid
>>>> down on the table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks,
>>>> I readied the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper
>>>> thigh. She stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I
>>>> stopped, moved away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room.
>>>> There was never a "what the fuck are you doing?".
>>>>>>>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out
>>>> of my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff
>>>> doesn't have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices;
>>>> that and the killing South Americans bit.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think
>>>> Dante was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is
>>>> unquestionably her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email
>>>> invitation to a 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as
>>>> feminine and started this whole process about three weeks after Lillian
>>>> left; it was then that Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds
>>>> trite until I add that she accepted my friend request after leaving SF for
>>>> wherever she is now.
>>>>>>>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several
>>>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on
>>>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails
>>>> regarding this for possible subpoena.
>>>>>>>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.
>>>> -dru
>>>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <lillian.fleurs at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you
>>>>> pinned me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any
>>>>> permission at all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what
>>>>> the fuck you were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew,
>>>>> and it took me so long to report anything because I was worried about
>>>>> hurting someone I thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on
>>>>> cocaine or something, which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It
>>>>> wasn't until other people made me realize this wasn't just a one off
>>>>> incident that I decided to report what had happened. I recall you making
>>>>> creepy sexual comments about others way before this incident too, so
>>>>> looking back now I don't find what happened surprising and I probably could
>>>>> have prevented being violated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <andrew at pachakutech.com>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout
>>>>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the
>>>>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this
>>>>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will
>>>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me
>>>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,
>>>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is
>>>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well
>>>>>> documented -dru
>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I
>>>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I
>>>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back
>>>>>>> to Noisebridge. I do not think this is a good idea. Basically, I don't
>>>>>>> want to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and
>>>>>>> Dru have behaved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its
>>>>>>> openness. To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to
>>>>>>> have good boundaries. And ask people who have shown great disrespect for
>>>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to
>>>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the
>>>>>>> middle of an space without much in the way of rules or safety. Sexual
>>>>>>> assault and other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each
>>>>>>> other. I want to be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell
>>>>>>> others they are likely relatively safe there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs <
>>>>>>>lillian.fleurs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be
>>>>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY
>>>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond
>>>>>>>> creepy. I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to
>>>>>>>> Liz. I had asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous.
>>>>>>>> I'm coming out of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get
>>>>>>>> rid of someone who poses a high threat to other members of the community
>>>>>>>> (both male and female, trans and cis).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not
>>>>>>>> show up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up,
>>>>>>>> because others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't
>>>>>>>> feel safe around Andrew either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.
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