if youve never used ph's before i would say you should be fine on s1+ by itself. im currently on my first cycle of s1+ alone and i am having great results. i thought about stacking or running something else but after listening to deoudes and a few others i didnt and i am happy. im about 2.5 weeks into a 5 week cycle and i have gained 13lbs and would say most of it is muscle, my waist is the same and im looking more defined and harder.

yes i have been extremely happy so far, if i do a 1test/4ad dermal again though i think i will make my own in a gel. thats my only complaint because one of the bottles i got leaked like crazy out of the sprayer and im sure waisted some.