rats19 wrote:So you figure, we will be a better team after the trade and able to go further as a result?

To be honest, I worry that this team will not be as good if a trade were to happen prior to the playoffs. The friendly competition between the two has done great things for this team this season. Lou is a different animal right now. I worry that once the friendly rivalry is gone, Lou on another team, I worry as to how this will affect Schneider. Having Lou at your back IMO gives Schneider a certain amount of comfort and it also pushes him to be better. I don't think there is a player out there in a Lou trade that would be more valuable than that to this team. We will see.

If the right deal does come along, Gillis will have no choice but to take it (no kidding) regardless of how great it is having both of them here. But just out of respect for the two, and the fact that it's not gonna be all that easy to trade Lou this summer and that Gillis will definitely start feeling some serious pressure to trade him due to next seasons cap situation and Lou and Schneids will pretty much be saying something along the lines of "enough already...get the deal done, Mikey. We've been patient enough, you owe us that". Do you not think that other GM's know this?

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rats19 wrote:Fine line for gm's on the playoff cusp with poor goaltending. I don't want Lou anywhere In the west..this gauthier following the nucks around? If it has teeth, it better be a 3 team...

I don't see it, with Chicago. Don't they have like the best Goals Against right now? Plus, not so sure about any of their prospects other than Saad who they ain't trading. I did like McNeil at one point but he is really stinking lately in the WHL. I don't see Chicago wanting to fuck with the team by trading current roster players either. The rumors make no sense but maybe they have concerns about their goaltending, hard to believe though being that they are doing quite mightily keeping the pucks out.

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I'm sure the fact the league is watered down with quality goaltending, some of which are extremely cap friendly, has had some impact on Gillis' ability to garner serious offers.

Depending on how things go over the next month or so, it's entirely possible the likes of Ryan Miller, Jonas Hiller, Miikka Kiprusoff, Jonathan Bernier, and Brian Elliott could be made available. Thus, grinding the interest for Roberto to a screeching halt.

The longer this goes on, the more obvious it seems to me that the best opportunity to deal Luongo will come next off season.

I, for one, don't believe its necessary to deal Luongo at this time, and that there will be other deals to be made to improve the club sans #1.

rats19 wrote:So what would the head of player personel follow the canucks around for 3 road games?

I don't have no fly on the wall like HW. Ask her. Maybe the Hawks see us as their biggest threat come the playoffs and are getting the head start on scouting the team for that reason alone and not for potential trades??? Apparently scouts scouting games of other teams is a common occurrence. Wasn't Gillis just called out for rumors of scouting the Capitals?

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BladesofSteel wrote:The longer this goes on, the more obvious it seems to me that the best opportunity to deal Luongo will come next off season.

Trading Luongo in the off-season will not be the best opportunity to trade him. Any day is a good trade for Luongo, I don't think the offers will get any better for him in the off-season, if anything they will get worse. Gillis will be pushed to get a deal done this summer whether he likes the deal or not. That cushy little thing that Gillis has been sitting on called time will have ran it's course if he still owns the rights to Lou this summer. Other GM's ain't gonna shower Gillis with flowery offers, if anything the opposite. IMO, his value will be at it's highest prior to the deadline. It is also my opinion that this team is better off keeping him for this season than letting him go for scrubs. I'd rather let him go for scrubs in the off season that during this.

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No question that the longer this drags on the less likely we will like the return but it isn't about that right now. Its about icing the best team possible to make a deep run.

Last season a lot of people complained about the timing of the Hodgson trade. It wasn't so much the return but whether that return could helps us in the playoffs last year. That return did not help in any way for our playoff run. Not saying keeping Hodgson for the run would have helped us get past LA just saying that making a trade because you fear the return later will be less is a bad idea unless you are a seller and dealing with FA.

The big difference right now between a Hodgson deal and a Luongo deal is that Luongo is helping us right now and in all likelihood will continue to do so.

If we trade Luongo now we know we need a goalie back or we had better hope someone still unsigned can come in and do a decent back up job. So it is not just a matter of getting a return that helps us now it is a little thing like having a back up goalie until Lack returns and gets back into form and shows he is ready for the NHL which may be another full season yet given his injury.

But if we deal Luongo now we need to address it now. I'm all for it if the right piece(s) come back, including another goalie. Barring that why trade him for the sake of a trade. If he isn't going to get us much why hurry at this point. Whether his value increases or decreases over the summer who knows. It still boils down to another team wanting his contract and being willing to give up a few pieces, or not.

So Luongo for Scivens and Kadri? That'd work. Get a young back up and a fast speedy forward and get that 5.3 cap hit off the bench right? Throw in a D'man and we are set.

[quote="BladesofSteel"][b]I'm sure the fact the league is watered down with quality goaltending, some of which are extremely cap friendly, has had some impact on Gillis' ability to garner serious offers.[/b]

Depending on how things go over the next month or so, it's entirely possible the likes of Ryan Miller, Jonas Hiller, Miikka Kiprusoff, Jonathan Bernier, and Brian Elliott [i]could[/i] be made available. Thus, grinding the interest for Roberto to a screeching halt.

The longer this goes on, the more obvious it seems to me that the best opportunity to deal Luongo will come next off season.

I, for one, don't believe its necessary to deal Luongo at this time, and that there will be other deals to be made to improve the club sans #1.[/quote]

In the end, that is the issue. Star goalies don't tend to bring back much in trades. There's just too many good goalies, and so few teams looking for goalies to make much of a market for Luongo. Chicago and Toronto were seen as teams needing a goalie. Not anymore.

[quote="Potatoe1"][quote="RoyalDude"]I know that Potatoe is a big fan of the Kadri types but I don't see a good fit with Canuck hockey and the chemistry of this group. [/quote]

I'm not a big fan of Kadri or "Kadri types", but I have always maintained that we need a quality young player coming back in return for Luongo.

I would have been fine with kadri because he is a quality young player with a great pedigree, who looked close to becoming an NHL contributor.

The kid was a high first rounder, he tore it up in Jr. posted great stats in the AHL, and looked pretty good during his brief NHL stints.

I[b]'m not sure why anyone would have been unhappy with that as a return, perhaps Canuck fans are just so anti-Leaf we create this alternate reality where all of their players and prospects suck[/b].[/quote]

Goalies DON'T usually tend to return a huge haul.... that sadid goalies like Luongo who is a solid top 8 - 10 keeper on his worst day almost never get dealt.

I don't want to see one of our two elite goalies rocking a hat in the playoffs while this team once again gets exposed for not having a guy who can score greasy goals in the playoffs. One of them needs to be dealt this April unless the return is dogshit. The salary gone itself will outweigh waiting until the draft. This is posturing by Eye Bags. He and anyone with half a walnut knows the cap is coming down for a year and there will be less..... not more suitors for RL this season, unless he has something worked out with Holmgren/Snyder.

The window isn't closing but hang onto Lu instead of Ginger and it will close. Wake the fuck up Pauser.

And Big Tuna I love to have fans from other teams come here but please learn how to use the fucking quote feature .

Blob Mckenzie wrote:Goalies DON'T usually tend to return a huge haul.... that sadid goalies like Luongo who is a solid top 8 - 10 keeper on his worst day almost never get dealt.

I don't want to see one of our two elite goalies rocking a hat in the playoffs while this team once again gets exposed for not having a guy who can score greasy goals in the playoffs. One of them needs to be dealt this April unless the return is dogshit. The salary gone itself will outweigh waiting until the draft. This is posturing by Eye Bags. He and anyone with half a walnut knows the cap is coming down for a year and there will be less..... not more suitors for RL this season, unless he has something worked out with Holmgren/Snyder.

The window isn't closing but hang onto Lu instead of Ginger and it will close. Wake the fuck up Pauser.

And Big Tuna I love to have fans from other teams come here but please learn how to use the fucking quote feature .

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BladesofSteel wrote:I'm sure the fact the league is watered down with quality goaltending, some of which are extremely cap friendly, has had some impact on Gillis' ability to garner serious offers.

Depending on how things go over the next month or so, it's entirely possible the likes of Ryan Miller, Jonas Hiller, Miikka Kiprusoff, Jonathan Bernier, and Brian Elliott could be made available. Thus, grinding the interest for Roberto to a screeching halt.

The longer this goes on, the more obvious it seems to me that the best opportunity to deal Luongo will come next off season.

I, for one, don't believe its necessary to deal Luongo at this time, and that there will be other deals to be made to improve the club sans #1.

I get the point you are trying to make, but Elliott has been demoted to the minors and worse than any goalie in the league save maybe Dipietro this year, Jonas Hiller has lost his job and has a SV% of .880 this year, Kipper is injured and has been even worse than Hiller, Ryan Miller has a no trade clause and Bernier has around 50 games of pretty average goaltending in the league so far so who knows if he's an upgrade on anything. The Kings aren't trading him until Quick gets out of his funk for sure.

There will be some goalies available but they all have a lot of wars on them. Lu's only wart is his contract, which is a big one I know, but he's far and away the best of the group that is available or will be available.