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Lord Gonchar

Friday, June 6, 2008 2:19 PM

I sent Jeff an email asking if threads are recoverable. We'll see, I guess.

I do apologize guys. That's what I get for trying to handle two things at once. Next time I will walk away from the keyboard before acknowledging my kids and won't try to turn around and deal with their summer craziness and post my crazy rants at the same time.

Neuski

eric.walton

Friday, June 6, 2008 2:33 PM

americas rollercoast said:I'm a little surprised by all the very harsh comments towards the park in this thread. I'm particularly bothered by all of the "why does HW keep having enthusiast events" or "the events used to be so much fun, they used to let us have one-click rides, etc...". I'm not exactly sure what a one-click ride is, but I can take a guess.

Who are you... really? Are you new to the internet? Didn't you know when you sign up and make a first post that basically goes against a thread, that you're immediately written off by the majority of the forums community?

I find it somewhat hard to believe you just signed up the other day, and already have such strong opinions on how we should feel or what we should say about it.

I can't really see you working for the park (unless you're a standard employee), so I borderline wonder if you A1) Didn't have the nerve to post this (for some odd reason) under your own name B2) You're just trolling and are just here to disagree with no real good reason too or C4) You're a serious fanboy and came here for no other reason than to stick up for your park....?

I dunno, your new membership (and your post) just seems out of place.

Anyway, you're somewhat ridiculous suggesting that we shouldn't be complaining, or we should have harsh opinions about what happened. Some here were removed from the park, with no legitimate reasons. Others were given citations, for complying with requests on how to ride.

In the end, everyone here is STILL a customer. Some should not forget that just because we are labeled, we still spend money, in fact most here spend a larger portion of their money at amusement parks than the average american!

And you can impact and paraphrase all you want. I'm pretty sure I'm the ONLY one that said squat about lawyers, and I was using it as example. I said nothing about calling a lawyer because they wanted me to sign a paper. I merely pointed out they are not signing any papers you hand them without some considerable legal representation, and neither will I. Not even a dinky "citation"....... I realize full and well it *probably* means nothing, but it's the principle of the matter. I'm not signing something that says I'm guilty of anything for the sake of being able to continue riding.

You know it's fairly interesting HW's post on their site regarding rider responsibility, that was also quoted in this thread:

holidayworld.comRider Responsibility:Indiana Administrative Code Title 685 Section 1-2-4 requires the following of amusement device patrons: Patrons have a duty to not participate in or on any amusement ride, device or attraction when under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Patrons have duty to properly use all ride or device safety equipment provided.At Holiday World & Splashin' Safari, any Guest who tampers with a safety device (such as a lapbar or seatbelt) or in any way fails to follow posted or verbal safety instructions, will be required to leave the park without refund of admission price.

Indian Administrative Code 685 Section 1-2-4685 IAC 1-2-4 Standard practice for operation procedures for amusement rides and devices Authority: IC 22-13-2-8 Affected: IC 22-15-2-7; IC 22-15-7-8 Sec. 4. (a) That certain document being titled Standard Practice for Operation Procedures for Amusement Rides and Devices,1993 edition approved Dec. 15, 1993, published February 1994 (ASTM F 770-93), published by the American Society for Testingand Materials, at 1916 Race Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103, is hereby adopted by reference as if fully set out in this articlesave and except those revisions made in this section. (b) Delete subsection 1.2 in its entirety. (c) In subsection 3 add a first sentence to read: If a manufacturer hasn't performed the manufacturer's responsibilities, that maybe a basis to not issue a regulated amusement device operating permit. (d) Delete subsections 4.2 and 4.2.1 in their entirety, and substitute for subsection 4.2 to read as follows: Owner/operatorresponsibilities are set forth at IC 22-15-7-8(b). (e) Change subsection 4.3.1 to read as follows: If required by the manufacturer, signs to display patron instructions orrequirements, or both, for use of the amusement ride or device shall be posted at the waiting/loading area and shall include heightrequirements, if any. (f) Delete subsection 4.3.2 in its entirety. (g) Delete subsection 5.1 without substitution. (Regulated Amusement Device Safety Board; 685 IAC 1-2-4; filed Apr 3, 1998,9:30 a.m.: 21 IR 2970; readopted filed Nov 10, 2004, 1:10 p.m.: 28 IR 1072)

In fact the entire IAC 685 seems only to deal with regulations imposed by indiana on the amusement park industry and NOT anything to do with riders or patrons themselves and their responsibly under law.

Theoretically speaking, if there are laws saying that HW can legally enforce riders to ride in a certain manner, or follow certain regulations while riding, then it stands that not following such rules set forth could be punishable by criminal prosecution. Further reason not to be arbitrarily admitting guilt in any situation!

Carrie M.

Lord Gonchar

Friday, June 6, 2008 2:40 PM

eric.walton said:In fact the entire IAC 685 seems only to deal with regulations imposed by indiana on the amusement park industry and NOT anything to do with riders or patrons themselves and their responsibly under law.

This was actually the post I was replying to when I made the epic FAIL!

IAC 685 1-2-4 states:

"That certain document being titled Standard Practice for Operation Procedures for Amusement Rides and Devices, 1993 edition approved Dec. 15, 1993, published February 1994 (ASTM F 770-93), published by the American Society for Testing and Materials, at 1916 Race Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19103, is hereby adopted by reference as if fully set out in this article save and except those revisions made in this section."

Read it again.

It simply states that Indiana has adopted the document titled, "Standard Practice for Operation Procedures for Amusement Rides and Devices" as law.

It then details revisions to the original document.

Many states have adopted that document as their own state standard.

If you do enough research, you find that the document titled, "Standard Practice for Operation Procedures for Amusement Rides and Devices" does read in part:

"Patrons have a duty to not participate in or on any amusement ride, device, or attraction when under the influence of drugs or alcohol."

Charles Nungester

Friday, June 6, 2008 2:43 PM

Lord Gonchar said:My sincerest apologies everyone. I was replying to the thread and got distracted and looked away and my mouse moved in my hand and I hit the "delete" button rather than the "reply" button.I'm an ass and I can never make it up to anyone. Not sure if there's a way to save it or pull it back up off of the server - I'll ask Jeff.Feel free to mock me incessantly.

Nazi!

Seriously I could copy and paste the TR from another forum again but could never recover the great disscussion and questions.

Sadly instead of writing the whole thing again.

I agree with Eric W. I went through the entire 685 and it's subsections and seen nothing on rider responsibility.

This don't mean break rules. This means a mistake somewhere and that exact clarification of whats expected and under no circumstances allowed there would be no questionable calls.