WEBVTT TODAY, ON UPFRONT: A NEW LAW SAYS OBSERVERS CAN BE JUST FEET AWAY WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE. NEXT, WHAT POLL OBSERVERS CAN -- AND CANNOT -- DO ON ELECTION DAY. THEN, THE RACE FOR MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF. INCUMBENT DAVID CLARKE HAS A NATIONAL PROFILE, BUT COULD A LOCAL PRIMARY BE HIS UNDOING? PLUS, THE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR ARGUE OVER OUTSOURCING. TODAY, STRAIGHT TALK ABOUT MOVING JOBS OVERSEAS, AND WHY SOME COMPANIES DO IT. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY WISN-TV] CAPTIONED BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE --WWW.NCICAP.ORG-- COVERING THE ISSUES IMPORTANT TO WISCONSIN, THIS IS "UPFRONT THOSE QUOTE WITH MIKE GOUSHA. HELLO AGAIN EVERYBODY AND WELCOME TO UPFRONT. HE'S A LOCAL SHERIFF, BUT MILWAUKEE COUNTY'S DAVID A. CLARKE JUNIOR IS ALSO A NATIONAL FIGURE. CLARKE'S SERIES OF RADIO PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS URGING CITIZENS TO CONSIDER ARMING AND PROTECTING THEMSELVES GENERATED NATIONAL ATTENTION, AND CONTROVERSY. THIS, ALONG WITH HIS BLUNT, TOUGH TALK ABOUT MILWAUKEE'S PROBLEMS AND FREQUENT APPEARANCES IN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA HAVE WON HIM A FAN BASE. CLARKE'S DETRACTORS ACCUSE HIM OF GRANDSTANDING, CUTTING CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS, AND FISCAL MISMANAGEMENT. THE SHERIFF FACES A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY CHALLENGE ON AUGUST 12TH FROM MILWAUKEE POLICE LIEUTENANT CHRIS MOEWS, WHO RAN AGAINST CLARKE FOUR YEARS AGO AND GOT 47% OF THE PRIMARY VOTE. CHRIS MOEWS WAS ON THIS PROGRAM TWO WEEKS AGO. TODAY, WE'RE TALKING WITH SHERIFF, DAVID CLARKE JUNIOR, WHO'S SEEKING HIS FOURTH TERM IN NEXT, NEW RULES FOR POLL -- FOURTH TERM IN OFFICE. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. BRIEFLY, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS RACE IS ABOUT? VOTERS WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT A LAW AND ORDER SHERIFF, LIKE I HAVE BEEN, TOUGH ON CRIME, OR ONE THAT HAS ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH THE POLITICAL CLASS, ONE THAT HAS INDICATED HE WILL BE A GO ALONG TO GET ALONG, LEAD FROM BEHIND. AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVE IS SUPPOSED TO DO. CHRIS M OEWS, WHO WAS ON THIS PROGRAM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, HAD SOME NOT SO NICE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT YOU. HE SAID YOU'RE ALL TALK AND NO ACTION WHEN IT COMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE? BESIDES TO LAUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WHY HE IS PREPARED TO LEAD THE LARGEST SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. HE RAN FOUR YEARS AGO AND HE WAS A LIEUTENANT IN THE MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT. FOUR YEARS LATER, HE IS STILL A LIEUTENANT, A MIDDLE MANAGER WORKING IN A DISTRICT STATION. IN THE TIME THAT I WAS AT THE AGENCY, LESS THAN FOUR YEARS, I WAS NOMINATED I THE BRASS AND THE MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL ACADEMY, THE FBI NATIONAL ACADEMY, WHICH IS A LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT COURSE FOR POTENTIAL PROMOTE EASE -- PROMOTEES , AND THEN I WAS PROMOTED TO CAPTAIN LEVEL. WHEN I BECAME SHARE, I AT LEAST HAD SOME FOUNDATION, SOME BACKGROUND. WHAT HISTORY TELLS ME IS THAT HE STILL A LIEUTENANT IN FOUR YEARS , SO EVEN ED FLYNN DOES NOT THINK MUCH OF HIS ABILITY TO COMMAND TO RAISE HIM UP. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE TOUGH ON CRIME, BUT CHRIS MOEWS SAYS, IN FACT, DAVID CLARKE HAS CUT THE DRUG UNIT, CUT THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM AND DONE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HURT LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? FIRST OF ALL, FALSE CLAIMS. THE DRUG UNIT THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT -- AND THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE LEVEL DECISION, AND AN EXECUTIVE LEVEL EXPERIENCE THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT I DO HAVE. YOU LOOK AT HOW WE ARE ENFORCING LAWS IN MILWAUKEE COUNTY AND WE FOUND SOME OVERLAP. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SOME OTHER SUBURBAN AGENCIES AS WELL AS OTHER AGENCIES. WE DECIDED THAT VIOLENT CRIME IN THE AREA OF GAINS AND DRUGS, A TASK FORCE IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO. WE ASSIGN THOSE PEOPLE TO THE TASK FORCE AND TO THE FBI VIOLENT CRIMES TASK FORCE. WE HAVE A U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE TASK FORCE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY TO PREVENT THE OVERLAP AND TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE NOT MISSING. IT ALSO CREATES BETTER INFORMATION SHARING. AS FAR AS THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM, THAT WAS A STATE-FUNDED PROGRAM THAT THE STATE ENDED. I EVEN WENT TO THE COUNTY AND SAID I WOULD LIKE FUNDING TO PICK OFF -- PICKED UP WHERE THE BOARD LEFT OFF AND THE STATE SAID NO. I ALSO, IN A GROUP OF PEOPLE INCLUDING JOHN CHISHOLM SAID, LET'S START THIS BACK UP AGAIN. THE THING IS NOW FUNDED OUT OF THE MILWAUKEE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HIS RESUME THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT. DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN A GOOD FISCAL STEWARD OF YOUR DEPARTMENT? SPENDING HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY DURING YOUR TENURE. BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS. 50% IN THE TAX LEVY FROM 2007 THROUGH 2012. WHEN I CAME -- WHEN I CAME INTO THIS AGENCY, IT SUFFERED FROM MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS EVERY YEAR AND NO ONE SAID A THING. AND I CAME IN AND SAID, THIS HAS GOT TO STOP ALL STOP I ELIMINATED ALL OF THE WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE. WE BROUGHT THE OVERTIME DOWN AND WE BROUGHT THESE COSTS IN LINE WITH WHAT I THOUGHT WAS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO MANAGE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES INSIDE MILWAUKEE COUNTY. A LOT OF THE INCREASE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE RATE OF INFLATION. IN OTHER WORDS, FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR, THE DEPUTIES CONTRACT MEANS THEY GET A PAY RAISE. THAT IS THE RATE OF INFLATION. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS HAVE GONE UP, BUT THOSE ARE CONTRACTS NEGOTIATED BY THE COUNTY, NOT BY ME, THE SHERIFF. I TURNED AROUND THE HOUSE OF CORRECTION THAT HAD A $5.5 MILLION DEFICIT WHEN I TOOK IT OVER. AND IN ONE YEAR, I WIPED IT OUT. I HAVE PROVED IN 10 YEARS -- I HAVE EITHER BALANCED EVERY BUDGET OR RETURN THE SURPLUS. I KNOW HOW TO WORK A LARGE BUDGET. AGAIN, THAT HIS EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE THAT CHRIS MOEWS DOES NOT HAVE BECAUSE HE IS A MIDDLE MANAGER. BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL FUTURE, ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT DO NEXT IF YOU ARE REELECTED SHERIFF. IF YOU ARE REELECTED, CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL SERVE OUT YOUR FOUR-YEAR TERM? THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT ALWAYS GETS ASKED IN ALL OF THESE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE SAY, I THINK HE SHOULD RUN FOR GOVERNOR. I HAD SOMEONE TELL ME THE OTHER -- A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT I SHOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THAT IS FLATTERING, BUT I'M A COP AT HEART. I BELIEVE LOU. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 37 YEARS. -- I BLEED BLU E. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 37 YEARS. I DO NOT TAKE ELECTIONS FOR GRANTED, BUT I WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS. AND I WILL SAY AFTER THIS ELECTION -- AND THE MAYORS RACE IS NOT UNTIL 2016. BECAUSE I'M GETTING PRETTY -- GETTING PRESSURE TO DO THIS AND HAVE NOT SAID THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT TO DO, I WILL SIT DOWN WITH SOME CONFIDANTS AND TRUSTED PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE VIABILITY OF TAKING ON AN INCUMBENT MAYOR. IT DOESN'T MEAN I WILL OR WON'T. I TRY TO LIVE LIFE ONE DAY AT A TIME. I AM FOCUSED ON TODAY AND ON THE SELECTION COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS. MY INTENT IS TO BE THE SHERIFF THROUGH THOSE FOUR YEARS. BUT MIKE, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS ANYBODY, THINGS CHANGE BY THE MOMENT. SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE JUNIOR, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM TODAY. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE. NEXT, NEW RULES FOR POLL OBSERVERS. WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO ON ELECTION DAY. AND LATER, A CAMPAIGN SQUABBLE OVER OUTSOURCING. THE BUSINESSMAN WHO SAYS BOTH CANDIDATES NEED TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION TO A HIGHER PLANE. THAT'S WHEN UPFRONT CONTINUES.