I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

Out of 5055 members of a hunting club, I suppose blowing one away wouldn't make THAT much difference, but somehow it just seems wrong.

Seriously. Why the fark would you support someone spending absurd amounts of money so they could shoot something about as easily as they could shoot a turkey, a whitetail or a lawyer? Jeez. Have them shoot 100 farking chickens and charge them $1,750 apiece for the privilege.

Well of course they care about conservation. They have taken it upon themselves to conserve valuable hunting grounds that most people can't access, in order to conserve animal stocks that they can prey upon for sport. What kind of liberal bunny hugger can't get behind that?

Fark It:I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

Agree, how ever I cannot agree that money will not over rule conservation./that's the problem

Fark It:I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

Thank you for posting a reasonable and rational commentWanted to say pretty much the same thingYou said it better than I could have

Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

What they are doing is perfectly legal. If everyone is worried about the rhinos they should go and storm the Namibian embassy. Namibia sells permits for rhino hunting every year. Someone is going to get a hold of one of the permits each year and shoot a rhino.

Liam Burns:Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Fark It:I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

THIS.

Its a lot less farked up to auction off a couple of permits if it pays for security and care of the herds as a whole, than it is to ignore them and leave them to disease and poachers. In a perfect world they wouldn't have to*

*a perfect world being one where the libsoutraged by this had actually donated enough money for the preserves to be funded without being forced to auction permits.

/Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.

maxheck:If you want to shoot something fierce and meaner than you in Texas, shoot the boars.

I'm a liberal white kid from the suburbs, but a helicopter hog hunt in Texas is on my bucket list. I'll even pay extra to mount some speakers outside the chopper and blast Wagner while engaging potential bacon with my AK.

Ivan the Tolerable:Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

THIS.

Its a lot less farked up to auction off a couple of permits if it pays for security and care of the herds as a whole, than it is to ignore them and leave them to disease and poachers. In a perfect world they wouldn't have to*

*a perfect world being one where the libsoutraged by this had actually donated enough money for the preserves to be funded without being forced to auction permits.

/Ironic that the mouthbreathing tards are, even if unintentionally, doing more for eco protection and endangered species survival than the tree-huggers ever would.

Exactly. If you're that torn up about the poor rhinos, then put up some money instead of biatching about it on the internet.

/it's not the rhino//it's the notion that a Texas oil millionaire (or billionaire) who probably votes Republican and owns dozens of firearms is going to do more for the rhinos and other endangered species at this preserve in one safari trip than any of the whiners will ever do in their lifetime, that's what bothers some people

I actually did a safari in Chitwan in Asia. This is what I was told by the skinny guys with rifles.

If you want to take a Rhino, you go in with several guys with lots of firepower. You shoot the fark out of the rhino, and then while it's still huffing you cut fire up the gas powered cutsaw and cut the front of it's skull off.

For some reason I keep thinking of the movie "Arthur" and his almost father-in-law. Just a bunch of insanely rich sociopaths that buy trophies they are so proud of. I dream of a follow up where the rhinos team up and attack the wrinkled up bag of bones "hunters" and gore the shiat out of them and hang their heads on their walls.

Liam Burns:Compare the game management practices in Namibia where big-game hunting is permitted (not cheap) with neighboring countries that do not allow hunting. The neighboring countries do not have any money for game management, and the few rangers they do have are so poorly paid that poachers are able to easily bribe them, those are the countries where most of the illegal trade in animal parts originate. The perpetrators are usually tied to radical Islam, who see this as a source of funds for the world jihad.

Namibia, OTOH, does a brisk business in international big-game hunting, and uses that money to fund its conservation practices, as a result, Namibia has healthy, sustainable herds of all the cute and ugly animals that the evil Western Capitalist-Imperialist-Exceptionalists are all getting big 'ol boners to shoot.

Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas.

Sadly, this is true. In fact, it's because they allow trophy hunting that Namibia HAS herds of black rhino that are large enough to need culling...which they can then sell licenses for to wealthy Texans at probably six times the actual value so fat white meatheads can get their Great White Hunter boners, and provide the Namibian government with some much-needed US dollars.

That said, it doesn't even begin to excuse the hard-on these hunters are no doubt getting at the thought of going on a canned hunt to kill a "wild" rhino in a staged safari in a Namibian wildlife preserve.

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

Fark It:I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

I'd totally be on board to bust my shoulder firing a .600 NE into a poacher though.

Kalashinator:Fark It: I cringe at the idea of trophy hunting, but let's try not to equate a safari club that has gotten permission/permits from the Namibian government and U.S. Fish and Wildlife to hunt one black rhino with poachers who have rusted to shiat AK-47s and beat-up Toyota Land Cruisers gunning down whatever they see and filing off the horns. There's a reason that the Namibian government auctions off hunting permits. Money. And if it was that bad for the population, they wouldn't do it. That money helps sustain the population in a ton of ways, and if the cost is they let some rich white people shoot one or two a year, then so be it.

That money that comes into the economy via these permit auctions and the travel and tourism surrounding such ventures is competition against money from poaching.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

I'd totally be on board to bust my shoulder firing a .600 NE into a poacher though.

A poacher isn't worth the $40 that one round of .600 Nitro Express costs....

Actually, I am all for this auction. They could make a mini-reality TV show from it and really help with the conservation effort from the revenue. But they need one provision to level the playing field. The "hunters" need to be unarmed and naked just as the rhinos. Let the best man/rhino win.

Cog Spinner:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

I get that, but I thought it was illegal throughout the continent to hunt black rhino, due to extremely low numbers. White rhinos have a more stable population, so I can see a raffle for bagging one of those (or the $20-40k license to do so normally).

You've answered you own question.. If $10,00 worth of work can bag $20,000 worth of what what some dumbass will pay because their pecker has failed, , then someone will take a cutsaw to Nepal, cut the nose off a Rhino, make some potion out of it, and be very happy about it. You might even shoot a human or two long the way.

Doc Batarang:Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

Cog Spinner: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There are still rhinos??

Yes. And I am continually shocked when I hear that there are. You know, because male humans need to 'get it up' and perform sexually otherwise they will be perceived as losers in bed, so we must kill and torture every magnificent/beautiful beast on this planet so they can prove their manhood.

I have a confession to make. I have a pair of tiger teeth. The "canines". The "fangs". OK. My ex-boyfriend gave them to me. I wasn't sure what to think about it. He is 1st generation Chinese American. His mother received them from her sister. But he gave them to me and I'm not sure why. About 4 years ago I contacted a conservation group with this dilemma, but oddly they weren't very helpful. I just want to donate them to a big cat conservation group. I have never wanted to profit from them. I just want them off my hands and given to some organization that can use them for education. If anybody has any helpful information, please just let me know.

I had this same dilemma a few years ago. My grandfather was a huge Olympic Games fan and did his bit in Calgary in '88. He collected all kinds of Olympic stuff, including Nazi Olympic pins. I didn't want them. Nobody official wanted them. It was even the subject of 2 Dinosaur Comics on qwantz.com because the author had the same problem. Donating them to a high school was my friend's idea, and they were happy to get them for social studies class. I would just donate it to a high school for biology class.

Now my other problem is that I have ivory carved into a trio of cutesy poo owls that I'm going to die with because they can't be sold. It's worth maybe $2k...le sigh.

I inherited a few pieces of scrimshaw from the 19th century.

Should I feel bad?

Maybe. but probably not going to. :)

That's right. You shouldn't feel bad. You had nothing to do with killing those animals, as I did not have anything to do with killing that tiger. But I just want those teeth off my hands and given to an organization that might have some sort of productive use for them. I've contacted Tippi Hedren's Shambala big cat sanctuary and hopefully they can guide me in the right direction.