An Interview With: Last Podcast On The Left

Before filming their live special, I had the chance to talk to the hosts of the popular true-crime podcast Last Podcast On The Left. The Last Podcast On The Left: Live In Chicago special is available to purchase now for $6.66.

Staley Sharples: From listening to the show, it’s clear all of you are into metal and rock. What initially drew you to that genre?

Henry Zebrowski: When I was younger I was more into classic rock. I did the thing when you’re in seventh grade when I found Black Sabbath, and I was like “No one else has ever heard this music before.” It felt like it was for me, because I felt a little evil, even though I was a fat ginger boy. Now I listen to a lot of metal, because it helps me get focused when I work out. I can yell at the gym. And I do. I audibly make groaning-slash-yelling noises when I lift weights. It’s to state my manliness.

SS: Absolutely. Like a female tennis player.

HZ: Oh yeah.

Ben Kissel: I grew up in Wisconsin, so metal was always pretty big. Slipknot, Pantera, you know. I grew up really religious so White Zombie was good for rebellion. Good to get it out!

HZ: Well, especially if you’re religious.

Marcus Parks: I’ve been into metal since I was a kid as well. We grew up in the early to mid ’90s, and metal was a much more popular genre then. The Black Album was a top ten album, White Zombie was on the radio constantly—you couldn’t turn on the radio without hearing “More Human Than Human,” so for us, metal was not… it wasn’t really something you had to search for, it was already out there.

HZ: Yeah, we were past the generation where metal was truly evil. Like, it’s kind of fun to go see… like, I saw Priest two months ago, and it’s very funny to show up and remember that this was the most evil music in the world for like, ten years. Then you show up and he’s kind of taped to the motorcycle and they have to push him out.

BK: We went to see Judas Priest and he comes out slowly on a motorcycle…

HZ: But it’s fun! It’s a great show. He sounds great. Rob Halford sounds really good. You look around the audience, and you’re like, “Wow, I’m with a bunch of stepdads named Daryl now.”

SS: My people!

HZ: Yes, my people!

MP: Then when you think about movies, a lot of people forget that Cannibal Corpse was Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.

HZ: That’s right! That’s right!

MP: His friend’s secret hideout is in the back of a music venue. So that’s how I found out about Cannibal Corpse. When you start to hear bands like Cannibal Corpse you start to go further with bands like Death, Mayhem… once you get the metal bug, you either keep going further or you just stop at the basics.

HZ: Like HIV.

MP: We just kept going further.

BK: I realized I was really big when I was in eighth grade when I could no longer mosh with anyone and it was sad. Because they said I hurt them. In seventh grade, we used to mosh at the middle school dances, and then by eighth grade, they were like, “you have to go in the back, and you have to help people crowd surf.”

HZ: But no, Kissel, it’s like you’re an observer!

BK: I remember I hit my friend Jared one time and went flying like, a hundred feet. I was like, “Pretty cool, huh?” Then he was like, “I don’t like this song.”

SS: Oh my God.

MP: The cool thing about metal is after being into metal for so many years, and then Lords of Chaos came out, and we got this great true crime story that personally, I didn’t even know existed behind all of this metal music. It took us a while to feel like we had the chops to really cover that story and do it justice. Then when we did it, it was so much fun to do. Getting into the metal world to go through and explain all the different metal genres at the beginning of our black metal episode.

HZ: There are a lot of genres.

SS: I loved that, I just listened to it again recently. Varg Vikernes killed Eurynomous on the day I was born!

All: Oh, congratulations! Awww! Very nice!

HZ: I have one Burzum shirt that I just keep in the bottom of a drawer because it’s good to have.

SS and BK: Just in case.

BK: I don’t know what that case is, but just in case you need a Burzum shirt.

HZ: If I ever have to go incognito into a Burzum concert, and be like, “Oh hey, yeah boys, I love the rock and roll sounds of these guys, huh? Do you as well?”

MP: The cool thing is that after we did that episode, the guys from Mayhem—or at the very least, the tour manager from Mayhem—started listening. He got us tickets to go and see Mayhem at Irving Plaza. It was the most evil show I’d ever seen. It was fantastic.

HZ: I had never listened to that kind of shit. My taste was always more like thrash, that was my favorite.

BK: Yeah, you like a lot of thrash.

HZ: When I got into black metal, I was like, “this is punk as shit.” Like, this is actually really stripped down, and fun, and it’s got hooks, and I was like, “I’m all about this,” and it ended up going into my regular music [I listen to]. Now, I’m way more into black metal than I am into death metal.

BK: Testament is thrash metal, right?

HZ: Yeah.

BK: I saw them live, and it was like a fucking car crash. They’re 60 years old. They were incredible, but the way that they moved… they had to have concussions.

HZ: Saxon was the best show by 60-plus year olds I have ever seen.

BK: These guys have to be in their 50s, right? Testament?

HZ: 60s? Maybe 60s? Saxon ruled.

SS: If you drink a lot of booze and party hard your whole life, you’ll live forever.

HZ: They can’t stop.

BK: Basically, they can barely hold their heads up anymore, it’s just like wobbly all the time from all the headbanging they’ve been doing.

HZ: Well, the lead singer of Pantera, I believe he can no longer headbang because of a neck injury. The doctors literally told him he can’t headbang anymore. It was either him or Slayer.

BK: I think it was the Slayer guy.

HZ: Yeah, you’re right, it’s the guy from Slayer.

BK: When Vince Abbott died, we were actually at—

HZ: Rainbow Grill, on Sunset.

BK: It was such a fun night. We were wondering why they were only playing Pantera, and they were like, “Bad news.” But it was so fuckin’ fun.

The Best Music For Researching

SS: Switching gears here—what do you like to listen to while you’re researching or working on the podcast?

MP: Lately, I’ve been listening to a lot of instrumental organ music.

HZ: Don’t even get him started on this goddamn organ music. He goes to us and he’s like, “You guys wanna hear something fun before the show?” and we say “Yeah, sure, pump us up!” Then he plays it, and it’s like [starts humming tune]. He’s just snappin’ his fingers like it’s Britney Spears.

MP: It really helps me focus! This one guy that I really love listening to is Georges Montalba. The reason I started listening to him has to do with the show.

HZ: It absolutely does.

MP: The reason I started listening to him is because there was a rumor that he was actually Anton LeVay—that Anton LeVay recorded under the name Georges Montalba.

BK: I could see that actually.

HZ: Oh yeah, of course.

MP: ‘Cause Anton LeVay was a calliope player. He was a very accomplished calliope and organ player.

BK: Can you be an accomplished organ player?

HZ: You can be!

MP: Extremely accomplished!

HZ: It’s a complicated instrument. It’s two pianos!

MP: It’s huge!

BK: I know! I know!

SS: It sounds like Mario Kart.

HZ: It does. It sounds like Satan’s Mario Kart.

SS: I would buy that game.

HZ: It’s pretty sweet.

MP: It’s great! It keeps me focused, it keeps a smile on my face.

HZ: But why though?

MP: Because it’s happy! It makes me feel good!

HZ: You can just see his girlfriend Carolina in the background hearing it start and being like, “Oh no, he’s working again in the office.”

MP: So yeah, specifically his version of “Danse Macabre” is fuckin’ great. I’ll listen to that on a loop when I really need to focus. I listen to instrumental stuff, like Tortoise. I like Thelonious Monk, that’s really good for research. Jazz is always good. It’s always instrumental music.

BK: Isn’t that what serial killers listen to though? Just instrumental music?

HZ: No, no! It’s exactly the opposite. David Berkowitz was into opera—

MP: He also listened to romance music, which is instrumental.

HZ: Jeffrey Dahmer listened to nothing but powerful dance music at the club.

MP: Dennis Nilsen listened to a lot of Rick Wakeman, and a lot of Rick Wakeman is instrumental.

HZ: But technically that’s like prog-rock.

BK: I think there’s a lot of instrumentals!

MP: He also listened to a lot of Laurie Anderson, she’s got a lot of lyrics to her music. Mark David Chapman loved Todd Rundgren, and Todd Rundgren’s all about the lyrics.

HZ: I tell ya what, I just listen to a bunch of spooky chain noises. I just put on that Halloween sound effects record and I let that go.

BK: Maybe some of Dr. Dre’s early work.

HZ: Only when I’m loading and maintaining and cleaning all of my guns. I put the Halloween sound effects record on just so I can feel it, and I can imagine my targets.

MP: He’s joking. Remember, this is transcribed, so your tone of voice is not going—

HZ: Oh yeah, it’s a joke. It’s a performative joke. “Like a true trained performer, Henry Zebrowski not only built the gun in front of me using just the air in his hands, he also fired it… and killed two people in the lobby of the hotel.” I listen to a lot of Maiden.

BK: I just listen to old country music. Waylon [Jennings], and then I guess Warren Zevon is not country, but I like old singer-songwriters.

HZ: But they’re all mean dudes.

BK: They’re all dead. I kinda like that.

SS: Yeah. You like ’em dead?

BK: Yeah, I don’t like them dead—

HZ: He LOVES them dead.

BK: They just happen to be dead! I listen to a lot of Johnny, and a lot of Waylon. I don’t listen to that much Willie.

HZ: He’s softer. He’s too soft. I need at least some edge. I like a lot of the more musical metal. I love Ghost, I’ve been rockin’ Ghost like a motherfucker right now. I don’t know what it is. He has this beautiful song about Satan called “He Is,” and it’s this almost Christian-like ballad. It sounds like it would be about God, but if you listen to the lyrics, it’s all about how beautiful Satan is. It’s pretty great.

BK: We’re listening to different things, in other words.

The Musical Taste of Serial Killers

SS: I like it! Speaking of some of the serial killers you just mentioned—David Berkowitz, Dennis Nilson, Elliot Rodger—

SS: Anyway, all of those killers were into music that isn’t stereotypically labeled as “tough.” They liked a lot of more sensitive stuff, like singer-songwriter music or romance music. Why do you think they were more connected to that?

HZ: When I listen to hardcore music, like black metal or really intense thrash metal, it actually puts me at ease. It actually gets something out of me. When I sit and I listen to it when I’m upset, it drowns out those feelings. It gets it out for me. Mark David Chapman was into Todd Rundgren, but a part of it was his personal—to the level of psychotic—connection to the lyrics of Todd Rundgren, which created this inner world. I think with serial killers, the music that they would listen to becomes the soundtrack to their inner world, I imagine. A lot of times they viewed themselves as the hero of the story, a romantic lead in their own mind. Jeffrey Dahmer—the heart of him was a lonely man that was looking to make them stay. He didn’t understand why people wouldn’t stay, even though they could’ve stayed and they could’ve dated. He didn’t have to turn them into walking corpses.

BK: Oh, very rare you have to put someone’s head in the freezer.

HZ: It’s very rare!

BK: I don’t even know a situation where you would have to do that.

MP: Personally, I don’t think music taste has really anything to do with crime or your actions. It has nothing to do your actions. To read into these people’s music taste is interesting, but it’s useless.

HZ: The Dennis Nilsen stuff is just fascinating.

MP: Dennis Nilsen is fascinating, because I think for all of us, music is the soundtrack to our lives, but I don’t think that soundtrack has any real meaning. As far as music taste goes, the guy I always think about is this dude in New York City named Levi Aron. A few years ago, I think it was eight or nine years ago, he kidnapped a little boy and cut off his feet. Then he put the feet in the freezer and threw the body in the dumpster. When they looked at his Facebook page, his favorite artist was Hootie and The Blowfish. It has nothing to do with it.

HZ: I think it actually directly killed that little boy.

BK: I think there’s something about people having really basic taste, and I think it helps them feel like “I’m normal, I’m just like you, I wouldn’t cut off a boy’s feet.”

HZ: Well, what about the song “Cut Off The Boy’s Feet”?

MP: By Hootie and The Blowfish. “Cut off the boy’s feet, yeeeeah.”

BK: It could help create the facade of being just a mainstream Hootie and The Blowfish dude.

MP: Just like Marilyn Manson had nothing to do with Columbine. Marilyn Manson had nothing to do with Columbine, Rick Wakeman had nothing to do with Dennis Nilsen.

HZ: You know what it is though, people can be fans. I see how, if you’re a true, true fan, you kind of align your life to the message that music brings. But a lot of those people—I mean, it seems to be that 99% of those people are not murderers. They just really like that music. And just because that music’s mostly evil—I mean, you’ve listened to Maiden, and they talk about Satan as if they’re against Satan. All this stuff that’s supposed to be evil is more about embracing the outsider. It’s about bringing people in. That’s what’s really nice about the metal community; it’s kind of all-inclusive. It’s a whole swath of different types of people that are in that scene that, if you look at it and look at the crowds there to watch a show, you’d see that everybody’s there. It’s a uniting force, not a destroying force.

MP: The only person that I think really matched up his music taste with his lifestyle was Richard Ramirez.

HZ: But unfortunately, time would show him that his music was meant for stepdads. I mean, his favorite band was AC/DC, but now Natalie makes me shut them off because she tells me that’s her dad’s favorite band.

MP: Ultimately, people aren’t what they like—they’re what they do. So I don’t think music taste has much of anything to do with inspiring people to kill, or inspiring people not to kill.

HZ: I hope it inspires ’em to not kill.

MP: That would be good, yeah.

BK: Sarah McLachlan inspires me to take care of dogs.

SS: Oh yeah, she’s real good at that.

HZ: She’s REAL good at it.

On Choosing Topics for Last Podcast On The Left

SS: Now I want to talk about how you decide on a musical subject to cover, because you’ve done a few music-related series. Is there a certain criteria the subject has to meet, or is it based on information that’s available, or something else entirely?

HZ: The story’s gotta be fucked up and fun. The story has to have a lot of twists and turns, and it has to include a lot of the topics we would talk about anyway. There are some [subjects] that I think are definitely closer than others. The idea of covering the murder of Kurt Cobain is interesting, because—

MP: The SUICIDE of Kurt Cobain.

HZ: The “suicide.”

BK: Air quotes, air quotes.

MP: No, but he killed himself.

HZ: But it’s the essential nature of that question that makes it great for an episode. You can play both sides, which is what we try to do a lot of the time unless we straight-up say we’re not going to. Because it’s our show and we’re going to do whatever the fuck we wanna do. So a part of it is that we’ll either editorialize or not. But then black metal was so much fun, because it’s a whole story filled with wonderful characters.

BK: Going back to that point before—music, that was their whole culture. And that really did create who they were as people. They got so into it. It was bigger than music; it was burning churches and shit.

HZ: They try to make it real.

BK: Exactly. So music does have an effect in that way.

HZ: Yes. But that’s when it’s interesting.

SS: That’s a good point. I listen to the show a lot, and I know you guys do deep dives into subjects. I was wondering if you would ever cover crimes that have happened with current celebrities or musicians. Specifically, I’m thinking of all the SoundCloud rappers that are so popular right now, like Tekashi6ix9ine or XXXTentacion.

MP: I’ve been following the stories, but it’s really hard to cover modern stories. It’s hard to cover stories that are out right now, because there’s just so much we don’t know. It’s just conjecture, and conjecture isn’t all that much fun. Personally, I don’t find it all that interesting. It’s cool for a conversation with your friends—

HZ: In Side Stories, we cover the smaller stories—

BK: More superficial.

HZ: We were looking at Tekashi6ix9ine the other day. But a part of it is… you’ve got to have the other side of it. For Last Podcast On The Left, it has to be connected to the paranormal, conspiracy, or true crime. For me, it seems like the story of all these SoundCloud rappers is actually a perennial story that’s old as time. Rock stars make a bunch of money then die young because they don’t know how to handle all the money, fame, and attention that it all comes down to. So, you’re just watching it play out now in hip hop, which has become what used to be Top 40 rock and roll. It’s now all switched to that. It’s just the same story again and again. Talented, young, immature people are given millions of dollars and they kill themselves with it.

SS: A young person making bad choices with a lot of money?!

HZ: I can’t believe it! I can’t believe that that happened! But honestly, one thing we’re going to probably touch upon in 2019: we’re thinking about doing the death of Michael Jackson.

MP: Yes.

HZ: I think that’s probably closest to what we do, because there’s conspiracy theory; you have his whole torrid past we can go into.

MP: Even though with Michael Jackson there was no murder, per se—or was there?!

HZ: Yeah, we were talking about this—can your employee murder you by doing the thing you asked them to do? But doctors unfortunately have this thing called an oath that says you’re supposed to make sure that even if they ask you to kill them, you’re supposed to say no.

MP: It’s a cool mystery, at the end of the day.

BK: It’s perfect. Conrad Murray did serve time. I think he did five years.

HZ: Doctor Murray.

BK: Doctor Conrad Murray.

SS: That sounds like a made-up name.

BK: It really, really does. But yeah—just getting into the Michael Jackson story, I heard after Joe Jackson died that he had castrated Michael Jackson. So that’s up for debate as well.

HZ: I wanna see the corpse. I WANNA SEE THE CORPSE!

Conspiracy Theories Of The Music Industry

MP: My favorite one is that the Laurel Canyon scene in the 60’s. Where all these hippies were making music and living. Where you had The Doors and Mama Cass and all that. [The theory] is that that was not a groovy hippie scene, but was actually a CIA front. And that all those people were actually working for the man, and were NOT a part of the revolution. Specifically, Mama Cass. Mama Cass did not die because she was extremely unhealthy; she died because she knew too much.

HZ: Hell yeah!

SS: I could buy into that. I’m always down for conspiracy theories. Do you have one, Ben?

HZ: He already said it. Joe Jackson cut off Michael Jackson’s penis.

BK: This is not really even a conspiracy!

MP: It definitely is, it’s an unsolved theory.

HZ: It’s a family full of pill poppers!

BK: Again, my theory is they’re too fucked up to lie. They’re so fucked up, they have to tell the truth, because it would make all the sense in the world. As soon as he died, they’re like, oh by the way he castrated…there’s a reason they hated him so much. It wasn’t just the physical abuse, it had to be real bad.

MP: For me, like the best, as far as not really knowing what happened, is Manson and the Beach Boys. That’s always a fantastic one.

HZ: Because it always sounds like Manson was closer than anybody really wants to say to selling music to the Beach Boys than they wanna admit. And that Manson was actually closer to their circle then they’ll wanna say out loud, because I think they don’t wanna say that Manson provided them all a bunch of women. The Manson girls would sleep with the coterie of the Beach Boys, and that was his thing. The whole thing with Manson, is that he was invited to parties because he brought a bunch of chicks with him. So, it’s like, I don’t think they want to talk about that part of history.

MP: Inside note: Manson’s music is, I will go on record saying, it is legitimately good.

SS: Really?

MP: I love Manson. Lie: The Love & Terror Cult, it’s one of my favorite albums. I listen to it all the time, it’s fuckin’ great. The songs don’t make any sense. But Charles Manson was trying to make sense, and trying to. (In Manson voice) Man, I got a song in my heart, and I don’t know what it is. Manson’s music is legitimately good, and had he listened to his producers, I think he could have put out some very well respected music. I think he would have listened to them, like, “Why don’t you write this song to make sense to other people?” But instead he pulled a knife on Brian Wilson, and that was the end of that.

HZ: It hurts your career.

MP: It does.

SS: [To Henry] Do you have a favorite conspiracy?

HZ: I don’t know. My thing perennially, it’s the Paul is dead one. It’s just kind of fun. It’s so… there’s not a lot to it, but it’s fun to just imagine that. But, also at the time period, they’re playing a lot of mental games with their audience.

MP: Courtney Love killing Kurt Cobain was my favorite since high school. I read “Who Killed Kurt Cobain?”, but then when we did the episode, and then when we really looked into it, and looked into all the evidence, it came back around. Kurt Cobain just killed himself. There was no conspiracy there.

BK: It was Marcus.

MP: It was me.

BK: People can drive people to do bad things to themselves, though.

HZ: Yes, absolutely. And then, what is blame, Ben?

SS: Yeah, it’s that whole gaslighting thing.

BK: I honestly do think think they drove Kurt crazy. It’s funny when you’re growing up and [hearing the age] 27, you’re 16 and you think, he was pretty old. And now I’m like 37, he’s like a baby.

HZ: Yes, exactly.

MP: I don’t know, I also think people deify Kurt Cobain too much. There is plenty of evidence that Kurt Cobain loved being an asshole with Courtney Love.

HZ: Yeah, they were a terror twosome. That’s the reason why, I think, they were allowed to be together. Courtney Love allowed him to live the worst part of his personality as well, and kind of extended the punk ethos into his personal life.

MP: Don’t get me wrong. Nirvana’s of of my favorite bands. I still listen to Nirvana every week, I mean damn near every day. But I do think that putting angel wings on Kurt Cobain is a bit much.

Marcus Parks Speaks About The Cowmen

SS: Okay, so Marcus, you are in a band called The Cowmen. How did you get started? Tell me about your band.

MP: Well, I’ve actually been in The Cowmen longer than we’ve been doing Last Podcast. I joined, I guess, in like 2010. The Cowmen was three dudes playing at stand-up shows, and I had gotten the gigantic marching bass drum off of the street in Brooklyn. We were all hanging out and I barely knew any of these guys and they asked, “Do you wanna dress up and play this bass drum, in like a show we’re doin’?”

HZ: He dressed up in the skeleton costume. Did you have the bone helmet yet?

MP: No, I did not have the bone helmet yet. But I did kind of cover myself in mud that I found in the basement of the UCB and painted myself up like a skeleton. I covered myself in blood and put on, like, big boots, and stuff. I don’t know, just to have fun with it.

BK: That helped with the stage fright, right?

MP: That was a big part of it. I used to have really bad stage fright when it came to performing.

BK: When we first started doing live podcasts, Marcus was up with the God mic, and it was just me and Henry onstage. So, it’s been a long process, with selling out all these shows and everything.

MP: Yeah, the first time that I came out onstage with them, I think it was in front of ten people, and I was terrified. Absolutely terrified. But the makeup definitely helped a lot with the stage fright, because it was more comedy and performative. It wasn’t just playing songs. Eventually we took the march bass drum and turned that into a track kit—we’ve been playing shows and recording. We recorded an album four or five years ago, and then we released another EP, and working on another EP right now.

Theme Songs For Serial Killers

SS: So now, last question. We’re going to do a lightning round. I’m going to name a serial killer, and you guys name the first song that you think would be their theme song.

MP: I like that.

HZ: Sure!

SS: Let’s start with Jeffrey Dahmer

HZ: Jeffrey Dahmer, I’m gonna say “Mr. Vain”.

BK: I’m gonna say—what is that Abba song?

HZ: “Dancing Queen”?

BK: “Dancing Queen”.

SS: Yeah, I like that one.

MP: I’ll say “Barbie Girl”.

HZ: Interesting.

SS: I like that one. Let’s do Pee Wee Gaskins.

HZ: (Sings “Short People” by Randy Newman) I can just picture him jumping up and slapping Randy Newman.

BK: Pee Wee Gaskins, he seems like kind of a folk guy. I can see him with Bob Dylan’s “Lay Lady Lay”. He’s a little romantic.

HZ: Man, Carl Panzram. Fuckin’ Trooper, fuckin’ Maiden. It’s just him, lifting the ball to fuckin’ Trooper, and just like walking past, just pullin’ a full traffic cone with his asshole.

BK: Like Slipknot, some deep cut Slipknot or something. He’s so fuckin’ intense.

MP: Something like “Seek and Destroy”, Metallica.

SS: That one’s very good. This would be a good playlist. Alright, I got two more. We’ll do Jerry Brudos next. Which one for him?

HZ: (Sings “Only the Lonely” by Roy Orbison) One of those, where you can see him, like kind of dancing next to the poor woman hung up on the thing.

SS: Yeah, that works.

BK: I don’t know Jerry Brudos that well.

HZ: He was the man with that shoe fetish? He had basically an entire serial killer shed next to his own house, with his wife who may or may not have helped him.

MP: I’m gonna say, “It’s My Party” by Lesley Gore.

SS: I like that a lot. I like all of these.

MP: Or “Big Girls Don’t Cry.”

HZ: “Big Girls Don’t Cry” is pretty great. Especially when he’s dressed up as a woman.

MP: “Big Girls Don’t Cry”, but the Edith Massey version.

SS: I will make sure to include that distinction.

HZ: It’ll be just him waiting with a handbag, in a parking lot.

SS: For the last one, we’re gonna do Ed Gein.

HZ: Oh man, oh man. “Man in the Mirror” by Michael Jackson. That’s not really what it is, but it’s something like that. For me, for Ed Gein, I feel like it’s just static on a telephone.

MP: The first thing that came to my mind was, like, Sunn O))), like “White1” by Sunn O))). Yeah, just ambient drum.

BK: He’s also a Wisconsin guy, so I could also see “I don’t want her, you can have her, she’s too fat for me!” Ed is really lovin’ a good polka.

SS: I could see that, like alone in his house, y’know?

HZ: But you could just see like his foot goin, while he’s staring at the waitress, wondering what her hip size is with his spacey eyes. There’s a picture that we show at the live show of him, just with this weird smile on his face. Where he’s just like, “Ya got me.”

HZ: We’ll be shooting this live special we’ll be selling in December, right now in Chicago, Thalia Hall. We have our book that will be coming out in 2020. But we have our side stories every Wednesday and Last Podcast on the Left every Friday.

BK: And really yes, the special. It’s gonna be a very fun special, so get out there and buy it. Just to survive the Christmas holiday, or whatever holiday you celebrate.

HZ: Thank you.

SS: Awesome. Thank you guys so much for talking with me. This was so much fun.