#emc | Logs for 2011-11-11

Back[00:00:45]<JT-Shop> emcrules_w700: you might have to get with Dewey on that one
[00:01:13]<JT-Shop> that's going to be bad ass http://imagebin.org/183554[00:03:13]<emcrules_w700> JT-Shop: just tried it it works fine
[00:04:00]<andypugh> 11/11/11 here as of 3 mins ago
[00:04:40]<andypugh> The last date with only 1s and 0s in it that any of us will see.
[00:05:02]<emcrules_w700> thats in five hours for me. A special day to remember all of our brave vetrans!!!!
[00:05:32]<andypugh> And the non-brave ones who died anyway.
[00:06:02]<emcrules_w700> well said
[00:06:55]<emcrules_w700> JT-Shop: what is that an ACME slingshot
[00:08:45]<PCW> OK no more segv, now to test with resolver
[00:09:29]<andypugh> JT-Shop: Are you sure that the shackles are beefy enough?
[00:09:39]<syyl_> that kind of crossbow was used by the coyote to catch the roadrunner...
[00:09:46]<JT-Shop> andypugh: yea they will hold fine
[00:09:50]<syyl_> everyone knows what happened to him ;)
[00:10:17]<JT-Shop> it is a ballista with a twist... using truck spring instead of the torsion box
[00:10:29]<andypugh> JT-Shop: There are going to be immense forces when the cable goes straight
[00:10:53]<JT-Shop> yep
[00:11:31]<JT-Shop> we won't shoulder fire it the first few times for sure
[00:12:14]<andypugh> Talking of which (and 11/11/11) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15652440[00:12:19]<JT-Shop> the cable clips will hold till the cable almost breaks... maybe more
[00:12:52]<andypugh> I am happy with the clips, it's the spring-shackle equivalents.
[00:13:25]<andypugh> I bet you a beer that they straighten themselves out.
[00:13:39]<JT-Shop> that I won't bet on :)
[00:13:58]<Nick001-Shop> JT-Shop-What servo amps are you using with the mesa cards on the hardinge?
[00:13:59]<JT-Shop> if they do a bit, it won't be a show stopper
[00:14:13]<JT-Shop> the ones that came on the CHNC
[00:14:36]<Nick001-Shop> are you using the tachs?
[00:14:58]<JT-Shop> yep, you have to AFAIK
[00:15:08]<JT-Shop> unless your cradek
[00:15:49]<JT-Shop> I just plugged into the velocity input on the drive and tied the encoder back to the 7i33
[00:15:56]<Nick001-Shop> I'm trying to rid of them as they give me a prob and what did cradek do
[00:16:43]<JT-Shop> you have a HNC like Danimal_garage and cradek?
[00:17:54]<Nick001-Shop> i think so hardinge HCNC with an allen bradly CNC control
[00:18:24]<JT-Shop> mine had the General Numeric control with Fanuc drives
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[00:19:05]<Nick001-Shop> totally different than mine GE servo amps
[00:19:26]<skunkKandT> Nick001-Shop: if you have enough extra dacs - you can output a simulated tach signal and send it to the amps
[00:19:32]<Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: exact same machine as cradek
[00:20:03]<Nick001-Shop> how do I get extra dacs
[00:20:17]<Danimal_garage> mine had GE HIAK amps
[00:20:19]<skunkKandT> money.. ;)
[00:20:22]<Danimal_garage> ha
[00:20:41]<skunkKandT> you are using the picosystems stuff aren't you?
[00:21:15]<Danimal_garage> yes
[00:21:23]<skunkKandT> then I don't know.. (I only am familiar with mesa)
[00:21:24]<Danimal_garage> just the resolver boards
[00:21:33]<skunkKandT> I meant Nick001-Shop
[00:21:37]<Danimal_garage> oh
[00:21:50]<Danimal_garage> well i like to hear myself type so...
[00:21:52]<skunkKandT> how do you like the resolver converters?
[00:21:54]<Nick001-Shop> right using pico for now
[00:22:15]<Valen> nano FTW!
[00:22:32]<skunkKandT> I have a 7i33 and 7i48 for my 'build' so I have 10 dacs ;)
[00:22:44]<Danimal_garage> they work
[00:22:50]<Danimal_garage> just too expensive
[00:22:50]<JT-Shop> I'm surprised at how far I can draw the ballista back by hand
[00:22:52]<skunkKandT> still have a couple left over.. I may get rid of all my tachs (down to 2)
[00:22:58]<Nick001-Shop> mesa has 1 resolver card for $69.00 vs 450 for the pco cards
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[00:23:30]<skunkKandT> mesa has really done some cool things.. And I have not had the hardware hickup once
[00:23:54]<skunkKandT> and my setup is not for the faint of heart
[00:24:03]<Valen> they just need a high amperage medium voltage controller
[00:24:17]<skunkKandT> Valen: amc drives...
[00:24:23]<Valen> url?
[00:24:27]<skunkKandT> ebay
[00:24:31]<skunkKandT> ;)
[00:25:31]<andypugh> Nick001-Shop: Which board is that?
[00:26:13]<Nick001-Shop> I saw the mesa had a 4 resolver card
[00:26:34]<andypugh> There is the 7i49 6-resolver card, but that is $184
[00:27:00]<Nick001-Shop> still cheaper than 450 for pico
[00:27:24]<Nick001-Shop> just have to do something about the servo amps
[00:27:44]<andypugh> It also needs an FPGA card, whereas Pico is standalong
[00:28:07]<emcrules_w700>http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=328874116&MessageId=MSG.VIEW_AD.REPLY_TO_AD_SENT&mpname=R2S&mpname=Activity-R2S&mpuid=80014%3B145%3B328874116%3B-1677519194%3B%3B&secev=AQAAATOKxiAAAM0AAAACACIxMzM5MDA0ZGJjYS5hMjBiMjZkLjYwM2E2LmZmZmZmNGNjAAAAABOaOIQBAAAAAgAAAABZaC8AgDh13z5eDWn9kp%2FN32r2tROUQAg*[00:28:20]<emcrules_w700> what do you guys think^
[00:28:43]<JT-Shop> I never click on a link that long
[00:28:51]<andypugh> Cute
[00:29:19]<Nick001-Shop> I'll get anything that will work
[00:29:40]<emcrules_w700>http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-business-industrial-CNC-Kitamura-my-center-0-W0QQAdIdZ328874116[00:30:50] -!- karlkec_ has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
[00:30:53]<andypugh> I do try to be completely impartial between Pico and Mesa. it's hard because I know nothing much about Pico
[00:31:35]<JT-Shop> me too
[00:31:40]<andypugh> Ballscrews are not as expensive as people think
[00:32:22]<andypugh> But you are probably looking at $500 to get than machine working if the screws are useless or missing.
[00:32:32]* JT-Shop starts working on ballista trigger parts[00:34:02]* Tom_itx demands updated pics[00:34:23]<emcrules_w700> Yeah the worn ball screws dont scare me
[00:35:01]<emcrules_w700> you would be amazed how hard it is to find a small VMC for a steal.
[00:35:16]<Nick001-Shop> the pico board is having hiccups and I'd like to go back to the resolvers rathe than the encoders.Just need to do something about the servo amps. would rutex amps work with mesa?
[00:36:43]<emcrules_w700> Nick001-Shop: i use teco amps and they work great with mesa.
[00:37:38]<andypugh> Nick001-Shop: Have you looked at the Mesa amps?
[00:38:03]<JT-Shop> JT-Shop that's going to be bad ass http://imagebin.org/183554[00:38:03]<andypugh> What tyoe of motor are they?
[00:38:38]<Nick001-Shop> Where are they
[00:39:22]<Nick001-Shop> I didnt see them on their site-mesa
[00:39:24]<andypugh>http://www.mesanet.com/ (look under "motion control")
[00:39:25]<Tom_itx> starting to look evil
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[00:40:02]<Nick001-Shop> I will check them out when I get home
[00:40:06]<skunkKandT> Nick001-Shop: stay away from step/dir....
[00:40:20]<skunkKandT> it is evil.. ;)
[00:40:38]<skunkKandT> (unless you have steppers)
[00:40:47]<JT-Shop> from an evil mind...
[00:40:56]<andypugh> Things like a dual 2kW H-bridge driver (ie for two motors) for $300 which plugs straight into the FPGA card
[00:41:06]<Nick001-Shop> all servos that came with the machine
[00:42:17]<andypugh> Right, logging off time.
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[00:43:38]<Nick001-Shop> Almost dinner time for me - means I can turn the gearcutter off
[00:44:26]<JT-Shop> goodnight Andy
[00:44:49]<JT-Shop> winblows reboot time :/
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[00:54:54]<skunkKandT> everyone is leaving
[01:02:27]<Danimal_garage> i'm still here
[01:02:32]<skunkKandT> :)
[01:02:44]<Danimal_garage> just made an offer on a vfd on ebay for the new mill
[01:02:55]<skunkKandT> new mill?
[01:02:59]<Danimal_garage> yea
[01:03:07]<Danimal_garage> got another mill coming
[01:03:16]<skunkKandT> what is it?
[01:03:29]<Danimal_garage> some japanese knee mill just like my shizuoka
[01:03:38]<Danimal_garage> kasoga or something
[01:03:48]<skunkKandT> heh - cool
[01:03:51]<Danimal_garage> it's got a bandit control on it now
[01:03:57]<Danimal_garage> bandit 3
[01:04:04]<skunkKandT> I have only seen bandits on plasmas
[01:04:12]<skunkKandT> interesting
[01:04:19]<Danimal_garage> my shizuoka had a bandit 1
[01:04:24]<skunkKandT> huh
[01:04:39]<Danimal_garage> they both have the same toolchangers on them
[01:04:58]<Danimal_garage> so i can use the same ladder
[01:05:02]<skunkKandT> neat - all set then
[01:05:06]<Danimal_garage> yea
[01:05:13]<Danimal_garage> it's already got servos on it
[01:05:24]<skunkKandT> did the bandit 1 have steppers?
[01:05:27]<Danimal_garage> yes
[01:05:51]<Danimal_garage> it's a working machine but i'll probably still emc it
[01:05:52]<Valen> thinking of getting my dad a camera for the shed to take photos of mills and such
[01:06:13]<Valen>http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Canon-PowerShot-A450-5-0-MP-Digital-Camera-Silver-/320789171208?pt=AU_Digital_Cameras&hash=item4ab0864c08#ht_500wt_1413 what you think?
[01:06:21]<Danimal_garage> Valen: i got a decent olympus SLR pretty cheap on ebay
[01:06:52]<Danimal_garage> that seems like a good deal
[01:06:58]<Danimal_garage> cannon has decent cameras
[01:08:03]<Danimal_garage> skunkKandT: the only unknown is if the mill has encoders or resolvers
[01:08:16]<Danimal_garage> i think it's new enough to have encoders but we'll see
[01:08:16]<Valen> Danimal_garage: probably a fair bit more than $40 delivered though?
[01:08:21]<skunkKandT> I bet it is encoders
[01:08:59]<Danimal_garage> Valen: yea, i havent looked at prices lately, how much are they new?
[01:09:20]<Danimal_garage> skunkKandT: i hope so, i already have the mesa card for that
[01:09:59]<Danimal_garage> the only thing is the cover for the resolver/encoder is pretty big
[01:10:09]<skunkKandT> I love canon
[01:10:12]<Danimal_garage> it's sort of the shape of a resolver
[01:10:13]<Valen> dunno i have a budget of around $40 for it ;->
[01:10:32]<Valen> reviews of it seem mixed
[01:10:36]<Valen>http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/review/digital_cameras/canon/powershot_a450/219679[01:11:55] -!- crazy_imp has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[01:12:16]<skunkKandT> I don't know our exact model.. it is a bit newer than that
[01:12:48]<skunkKandT> I have always had bad luck with cameras. this is the first one I am 100% happy with
[01:13:14]<skunkKandT> the battery lasts forever.. Takes great photos and videos.
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[01:14:05]<jdhNC> I've had 4 different canon powershots, they were all good (for their price range anyway)
[01:14:13]<skunkKandT> Think it is an elph
[01:14:29]<Valen> oh well it'll probably be better than even a modern phone camera
[01:14:42]<skunkKandT> similar to http://www.ebay.com.au/ctg/Canon-IXUS-220-HS-300-HS-Digital-ELPH-12-1-MP-Digital-Camera-Red-/109826025?_dmpt=AU_Digital_Cameras&_pcategid=166899&_pcatid=100&_refkw=canon+powershot+elph&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5520&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14[01:14:58]<skunkKandT> (we have had it for a few years(
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[01:15:09]<tom3p> i've used fujix since 80's they were very early in game, always good bang for the buck
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[01:18:10]<Danimal_garage> sweet, i just won the VFD
[01:18:29]<Danimal_garage> 5hp mitsubishi vfd for $75, not too bad
[01:18:43]<Danimal_garage> same one as i have now on my other mill, just slightly newer
[01:19:27]<tom3p> will you be buying new motor or use whats on the BP cone?
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[01:19:58]<skunkKandT> heh tosvert?
[01:20:26]<skunkKandT> we have a 5hp toshiba on the K&T from the mid 90's
[01:20:35]<skunkKandT> still going strong (knock on wood)
[01:22:48]<tom3p> what does it drive? a std 1800/3600rpm ac motor? a special spindle motor with high rpm?
[01:23:02]<Danimal_garage> standard ac motor
[01:23:09]<Danimal_garage> it's not a BP clone
[01:23:10]<Jymmm> Miss Daisy
[01:23:17]<Danimal_garage> it makes a BP look like a toy
[01:23:41]<tom3p> so you got a transmission ( and gears ?) no offense, the knee mill
[01:23:54]<Danimal_garage> i'll be leaving the motor on it
[01:24:10]<Danimal_garage> yea it's got gears and pulleys
[01:24:23]<Danimal_garage> but i'll just make it a fixed rpm and control it with the vfd
[01:24:41]<Danimal_garage> i only use between 1700rpm and 6000rpm
[01:24:47]<Danimal_garage> all smaller tools
[01:24:51]<tom3p> ah, wondered about the range
[01:25:28]<Danimal_garage> i have my current mill slightly underdriven, and i run the motor at 120hz to get to 6k
[01:25:40]<Danimal_garage> although it cuts at lower speeds with no issue
[01:25:57]<tom3p> like 400hz tops?
[01:26:14]<Danimal_garage> and no offense taken, i do actually have a BP exact clone for a manual mill :)
[01:26:19]<Danimal_garage> 120hz tops
[01:26:31]<Danimal_garage> 1700rpm motor
[01:26:41]<Danimal_garage> 3400rpm is still ok for the bearings
[01:27:11]<Danimal_garage> 120hz=6krpm on my mill
[01:27:40]<Danimal_garage> 30hz is 1500rpm
[01:28:09]<skunkKandT> we run our 1800rpm motor at the max of 4000ish rpm
[01:28:10]<Danimal_garage> the new mill will be the same
[01:28:28]<Danimal_garage> nice
[01:28:37]<tom3p> the VFD goes higher? (thats what i meant by 400hz)
[01:28:50]<Danimal_garage> tom3p: i have no clue how high it goes
[01:28:51]<tom3p> skunkKandT, thats very good to now, thx
[01:28:56]<tom3p> know
[01:29:01]<Danimal_garage> all i know is it'll do at least 120hz
[01:29:57]<tom3p> skunkKandT, would you guess a 3400rpm motor might go 2x also? like near 8k?
[01:30:18]<Danimal_garage> tom3p: yes
[01:30:30]<Danimal_garage> i have it like that on my manual mill
[01:30:55]<tom3p> great, thx, that gives me some options! my machine will be doing tiny stuff
[01:30:58]<Danimal_garage> i have a 2 speed motor on my manual mill, and i run it at 120hz sometimes
[01:31:10]<skunkKandT> tom3p: I don't know.. I might test it first... in a cage.. ;)
[01:31:15]<Danimal_garage> haha
[01:31:25]<tom3p> :)
[01:31:27]<Danimal_garage> tom3p: i wouldnt run it very long that high
[01:31:39]<Danimal_garage> bearings would be the issue
[01:31:42]<Danimal_garage> and balancing
[01:31:50]<skunkKandT> we actally tested our motor for the K&t by running it at 2X+ rpm for a while. (bearing heat and such)
[01:32:36]<Danimal_garage> i'm pretty disapointed that i couldnt fit a vmc in here
[01:32:38]<skunkKandT> right now it is only running at 1120rpm.. spindle running at 600rpm
[01:32:45]<Danimal_garage> but at least i'll have a second mill
[01:32:49]<Valen> if its not overheating, running it faster will make the bearings wear out faster but eh, is that really an issue?
[01:33:00]<skunkKandT> right
[01:33:17]<tom3p> yeah, good to know theres some headroom, (keep spare bearings at hand)
[01:33:19]<Valen> untill the copper flies out of the windings or something anyway ;->
[01:33:45]<Valen> if you can buy the bearings at your leisure you'll save $$$
[01:34:15]<Valen> vxb or ebay ;->
[01:36:50]<tom3p> i was surprised at the cost of the small spindles, like keling... 360$+vfd for 1.5kw ER11 water cooled
[01:37:06]<Tom_itx> i just ordered from vxb with good results. quick shipping
[01:37:08]<tom3p> it was near 3k$ for soemthing that was toolchangeable
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[01:37:48]<Valen> we got a 3Kw from ebay with VFD for ~$400 or so
[01:38:27]<Valen> Tom_itx: how is the kwality?
[01:38:44]<Tom_itx> seems pretty good
[01:38:45]<Danimal_garage> i heart toolchangers
[01:38:54]<Valen> we want a toolchanger :-<
[01:38:54]<Tom_itx> i got these to fix a washing machine :)
[01:39:12]<Tom_itx> ordered SS for better wear
[01:39:17]<Tom_itx> in the app
[01:39:29]<Tom_itx> so they were a bit higher
[01:39:33]<Valen> probably get ceramic for the same price as if you got regular ones locally ;->
[01:40:07]<Tom_itx> have you ordered from them?
[01:40:22]<Valen> no but they are really cheap
[01:40:35]<Tom_itx> i'm not familiar with ceramic
[01:40:43]<Tom_itx> i'm sure they're good
[01:40:52]<Valen> a friend got some bearings for his little motorbike (pocket bike) but they died after a race (regular steel bearings)
[01:40:57]<Tom_itx> but where would you most likely use them?
[01:41:12]<Valen> high speed, high temperature stuff i presume
[01:41:21]<Tom_itx> jet engines?
[01:41:33]<Valen> they use weird stuff
[01:41:41]<Valen> things like dental drills and such like
[01:41:45]<Tom_itx> oh
[01:41:54]<Tom_itx> spindle heads?
[01:42:04]<Valen> i think i have heard of them for high end stuff
[01:42:14]<Valen> but i'm not sure what their shock loading is like
[01:42:14]<Tom_itx> not cheap
[01:43:22]<Valen> no
[01:43:35]<Tom_itx> you can specify brand too i believe
[01:43:42]<Tom_itx> i see several brands listed
[01:43:51]<Valen> you don't want to know what they cost from a "reputable" bearing supplier ;->
[01:43:51]<Tom_itx> not that it matters
[01:45:13]<Tom_itx>http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/SKF-Bearings/Kit9081[01:45:18]<Tom_itx> that's a big bearing
[01:45:44]<Valen> Our Low Price: $8,290.99
[01:47:40]<emcrules_w700> Last ATC coloumbo spindle i bought was around 5K
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[08:40:46]<Loetmichel> moin
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[10:58:39]<sparr> rumor has it this channel might be a place to find people in search of inexpensive nema23 steppers
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[11:00:20]<mrsun> ebay? :P
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[11:02:35]<sparr> i dislike ebay
[11:02:43]<sparr> and i have motors to sell, not the other way around
[11:03:21]<mrsun> oh :P
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[11:21:30]<elmo401> location?
[11:24:25]<sparr> Atlanta
[11:24:27]<sparr> USA
[11:27:35]<sparr> I've got a bunch of nema23s with various degrees of labeling, but no datasheets.
[11:28:22]<sparr> KM-K370-07V (6-wire) 48mm, 23LM-C355-28 (8-wire, labeled "2.3V/PHASE 2.3A/PHASE 1.8DEG/STEP 1.0OHM/PHASE") 50mm, PJT70-D1U (4-wire, labeled "Volts:6.4 Res:3.2") 68mm
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[12:08:52]<archivist> sparr, time to build yourself a cnc then :)
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[13:56:14]<Jymmm> Mornin
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[14:12:03]<JT-Shop> huff puff morning huff puff
[14:12:36]<Jymmm> HR Puff n stuff ?
[14:12:49]* JT-Shop just climbed 1000' in 30 minutes at 2.7 mph[14:13:15]<Jymmm> new add on for the garage
[14:13:38]<JT-Shop> yea
[14:13:59]<skunkworks> logger[psha]
[14:14:18]<Jymmm> I think you'll need some help getting plywood to the 10th floor =)
[14:38:01]<Tom_itx> a volunteer?
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[14:42:30]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: There ya go, Tom_itx just colunteered to carry full sheets on his back to the 10th floor all for the cost of a case of beer!
[14:42:33]<Loetmichel> JT-Shop: get a escalator/lift ;-)
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[14:52:51]<JT-Shop> and loose the opportunity for some cardio exercise???
[14:53:32]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: Fine, you can have your once-a-year cardio workout.
[14:54:32]<archivist> JT-Shop, shed building and machine moving for exercise
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[14:55:48]<JT-Shop> yea, that does give quite a workout doing the duck walk and squats, the hard part is getting back up from kneeling
[14:57:47]<JT-Shop> two more machines to move :)
[14:58:12]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: It be much easier if you have a rolling gantry
[14:58:24]<JT-Shop> yea, I know... got one?
[14:59:19]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: I know someone that might be able to make one for you, though he kinda goes on the cheap side and uses frickin oversized tubing
[14:59:41]<Jymmm> Gorilla Gantry
[15:00:01]<JT-Shop> lol
[15:04:51]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: If it wasn't for the freight costs, you could start a business making them, just hire some shop/tech/college kids to do the work
[15:05:22]<JT-Shop> the trick is selling them and making a profit
[15:05:54]<Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, could you have bought what you made?
[15:06:00]<JT-Shop> I forgot what that one would have cost and my labor is free...
[15:06:16]<JT-Shop> yea, you can purchase similar gantrys
[15:06:25]* JT-Shop goes to walk the dog[15:06:32]<Jymmm> and be as duable?
[15:06:36]<Jymmm> durable
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[15:41:40]<JT-Shop> this one is comparable http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/NTESearch?storeId=6970&N=4294944260&Ntt=gantry&D=gantry&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial[15:42:26]<JT-Shop> or this one http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/NTESearch?storeId=6970&N=4294942269&Ntt=gantry&D=gantry&Ntk=All&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial[15:43:08]<JT-Shop> they are a bit longer than mine but about the same weight
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[16:54:25]<skunkworks> don't ask questions about religion, politics and electricity..
[16:55:51]<jdhNC> what does jesus think about hooking republicans directly to 3phase 480?
[16:55:58]<Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:59:11]<Loetmichel> jdhNC: he will applaude if he exists i presume ;-)
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[17:41:45]<DaViruz> Loetmichel: would you mind translating a sentence for me?
[17:41:49]<DaViruz> "Trotzdem versenden wir auf Wusch natürlich die meisten der bei uns angebotenen Artikel."
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[17:44:32]<Loetmichel> "nevertheless we're sending most of our advertized articles on demand"
[17:45:29]<DaViruz> that's a lot more sensible than what google translate gave me. thanks
[17:45:58]<Loetmichel> s/demand/request
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[17:48:46]<Jymmm> skunkworks: that's pretty cool
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[17:54:18]<IchGucksLive> Good evening
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[18:13:22]<A2Sheds> 11/11/11 11:11:11 was the world supposed to end, the rapture, some computer virus strike or something?
[18:14:33]<IchGucksLive> no its the best day to get marryd @}-<--
[18:22:58]<IchGucksLive> 2W1-2-phase excitation <- someone can explain what this means
[18:23:00]<IchGucksLive>[18:24:53]<IchGucksLive> the modes are 2-phase,1-2-phase,W1-2-phase,2W1-2-phase
[18:25:11]<jdhNC> you are Multi-Modal
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[18:25:43]<IchGucksLive> is this full half 1/4, ... steps
[18:26:13]<jdhNC> which coils are energized?
[18:26:33]<IchGucksLive> sphase stepper used
[18:26:44]<IchGucksLive> 2-phase 4 wires
[18:27:25]<JT-Shop> A2Sheds: what time zone?
[18:28:37]<jdhNC> Ich: see page 10: http://pcbheaven.com/datasheet/stk672_080.pdf[18:32:34]<IchGucksLive> jdhNC: thanks i try to find out the settings of the toshiba 6560
[18:33:34]<IchGucksLive> TB6560HQ there is no info for the microstepping how is this done i belive not externel to the driverstage 1
[18:34:19]<jdhNC> what is the 'HQ'?
[18:34:22]<IchGucksLive> today the leadshine arrived i will set up a lathe tomorrow
[18:34:37]<IchGucksLive> HQ =3,5A FG=2,5
[18:35:02]<jdhNC> high quality, field grade :)
[18:35:07]<IchGucksLive> www.alldatasheet.com
[18:35:26]<IchGucksLive> jdhNC: B)
[18:36:44]<IchGucksLive> i try to messure if the stage is dead means only the diodes burned up or even the TB6560 burned up there are black burning marks on some pins
[18:37:21]<IchGucksLive> desoldering chineese boards is quiet a work cause no led solder used there
[18:41:34]<Danimal_garage> hi
[18:41:50]<IchGucksLive> hi B)
[18:42:05]<Danimal_garage> how goes it
[18:42:29]<IchGucksLive> parts arrived today will start a sample setup tomorrow
[18:42:42]<Danimal_garage> you already got your stepper drives?
[18:42:49]<IchGucksLive> desolderd the chinese today
[18:43:06]<IchGucksLive> yes delevering 12Houres
[18:43:12]<Danimal_garage> wow, fast
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[18:43:26]<Danimal_garage> mine came directly from china, took forever
[18:43:36]<Danimal_garage> hi JT-Shop
[18:43:36]<IchGucksLive> leadshine
[18:43:41]<Danimal_garage> yes
[18:43:46]<IchGucksLive> price
[18:44:05]<IchGucksLive> i payed 49Euros for the 542
[18:44:10]<Danimal_garage> i think they were $90 each for the m880a
[18:44:26]<IchGucksLive> 67,8013
[18:44:26]<Danimal_garage> maybe less
[18:44:34]<IchGucksLive> Dollars
[18:44:40]<Danimal_garage> yes dollars
[18:44:55]<IchGucksLive> 67Dollars
[18:44:56]<andypugh> IchGucksLive: http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/index.php?cPath=3_4&osCsid=002ae5a3a9f452c59202565b45064d1c[18:45:35] -!- stormlight has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[18:45:36]stormlight_ is now known as stormlight[18:45:36]<Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i scored a vfd for the new mill on ebay
[18:45:51]<IchGucksLive> andypugh: thanks but there is alot of vat and more to bring these to Germany
[18:46:01]<Danimal_garage> 5hp mitsubishi, same as the drive on my other mill, just a little newer
[18:46:17]<andypugh> That's an inclusibe price, within the EU, there should be no VAT to pay.
[18:47:01]<andypugh> Sorry, no it isn't It adds up to almost exactly â‚¬49 when I try a checkout..
[18:47:02]<Danimal_garage> now i just need to find out if the mill has resolvers or servos
[18:47:39]<pjm> that zapp-automation is about 10 mins drive from me, never been there as yet
[18:48:18]<andypugh> You also Have motion Control Products and Marchant Dice within spitting distance then
[18:48:51]<IchGucksLive> andypugh: 49 is ok for the part
[18:49:17]<IchGucksLive> pjm: you shoudt move there quickly !
[18:49:33]<pjm> ah yes MCP is about 20 mins away, marchant dice is next country
[18:49:56]<andypugh> I know they are odd in Devon, but it is technically the same country.
[18:50:00]<pjm> IchGucksLive problem is if I do go there my wallet will come out lighter
[18:50:07]<pjm> LOL re Devon
[18:52:11]<IchGucksLive> pjm: B) but you will have some good parts O.O
[18:52:38]<pjm> well i do need to replace the leadscrews + ballnut assy's on my mill
[18:52:57]<pjm> i found a further 3 sets of leadscrews + ballnuts but there is some slop
[18:53:18]<pjm> these were discarded by a company, they came out of 'chaff' dispensers
[18:53:23]<IchGucksLive> pjm: http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/index.php?cPath=1_59&osCsid=002ae5a3a9f452c59202565b45064d1c[18:55:24]<IchGucksLive> ok till tomorrow today i will go early !
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[18:56:04]<andypugh> Ooh! 6mm ballscrews!
[18:57:59]<mrsun> cool =)
[18:58:15]<JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: Nice!
[19:00:19]<mrsun> would be a nice replacement for the screws on the micromill =)
[19:00:32]<mrsun> tho i should be able to go all the way up to 12mm screws on it =)
[19:00:42]<mrsun> tho machining the ends, needs to be annealed :/
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[19:11:47]<JT-Shop> hard turn them
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[19:15:14]<mrsun> but feels like wasting that lot of money on the mill is useless realy =)
[19:15:27]<mrsun> over 200 gbp for the whole mill, and that is without supports
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[19:18:17]<JT-Shop> any ideas "So the saga continuesâ€¦. The problem is related to either software or the Mesa Boards not the computer hardware. We all of a sudden started to have the similar issues with another computer. Maybe something with EMC and Ubunto isnâ€™t jiving?? The other option which seems unlikely is the USB drive that weâ€™ve been using to transfer the files from our CAD/CAM computer to the EMC...
[19:18:19]<JT-Shop> ...computer. One employee thinks it has a virus. Itâ€™s really strange. Yesterday it was looking good then we had to make a slight ini change. We tried to open the ini file and it wouldnâ€™t open. We just got a blank screen. After that the computer froze up and we had to pull the plug (literally) to shut it down.
[19:18:21]<JT-Shop> Do you have any idea why the system would keep losing the G54 and G55 touch off settings? It seems that whenever we have issues this also happens. We keep having to reset them. "
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[19:19:50]<JT-Shop> he had the same problem with a totally different and new computer
[19:19:52]<andypugh> Wierd. Forum?
[19:20:07]<JT-Shop> pvt email to me
[19:20:10]<andypugh> New HDD too?
[19:20:37]<JT-Shop> yep, guy with the Foxcon from the other day... totally new computer
[19:21:03]micges_ is now known as micges[19:21:18]<cradek> do they exit emc and then shut the computer down when they're done using it?
[19:22:02]<JT-Shop> I can ask, my CHNC EMC stays up and running 24/7 unless I have a power outage
[19:22:03]<A2Sheds> run memtest for a few hours
[19:22:53]<JT-Shop> he ran memtest tested the hard drive etc and all reported clean on the Foxcon. This current computer is an older one he was using before getting the Foxcon
[19:22:54]<cradek> I'm picturing them just shutting off the computer with emc still running. this would cause offsets to not be saved.
[19:23:25]<cradek> he's doing something weird, and I bet if one of us was standing there we'd see it right away.
[19:23:33]<JT-Shop> when you set an offset with touch off it is not saved?
[19:23:59]<cradek> I'm not sure if it's immediately written to the var file on disk
[19:25:11]<andypugh> What the heck? http://codepad.org/AoezYq6A[19:25:37]<andypugh> (OK, so I never usually use printf, maybe that is the problem?)
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[19:27:11]<JT-Shop_> could be when the computer freezes up he has to power cycle and the touch off settings are not flushed to disk yet
[19:27:43]<JT-Shop_> I thought my internet was over with for a while... they are due any minute to swap my equipment out
[19:27:59]<cradek> I guess if it's freezy/crashy it could explain the trouble with offsets
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[19:29:16]<JT-Shop> now he has swapped back to the old one an it is freezing up
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[19:31:10]<mrsun> andypugh, its %d not %i ? :)
[19:31:37]<mrsun> no %i should work ..
[19:32:35]<mrsun> but try %d incase there is something in the implementation ? :)
[19:33:20]<andypugh> It gets even wierder with the real code: http://codepad.org/YwUEvFPS[19:33:38]<andypugh> (ignore count, just look at buff)
[19:34:20]<cradek> andypugh: this is just a printf problem, and is because %i and "long long" don't match
[19:34:44]<cradek> see man 3 printf
[19:34:53]<andypugh> Oh, OK.
[19:34:57]<cradek> you must use %lld/%lli to print a long long
[19:35:07]<PCW> Andy resolver patch works but velocity is still broken (show 9599 for any negative velocity)
[19:35:16]<andypugh> And the problem wraps into the next value?
[19:35:27]<cradek> yes because it pulls the wrong amount off the stack
[19:35:32]<cradek> brb, work
[19:35:55]<andypugh> Tell you what, I will fix Resolver if someone fixes printf :-)
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[19:36:56]<andypugh> PCW: Are positive velocities anything like right?
[19:37:04]<JT-Shop> gotta go
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[19:42:24]<PCW> Yes positives look right, but negatives look like 9600 +(negative velocity)
[19:43:03]<andypugh> I will have a look later. (currently got a bldc bug and sserial counter bug windows on the go)
[19:43:57]<PCW> Reference Frequency setting works
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[19:46:01]<PCW> You should be able to test the negative velocities by just feeded the scaling routine a negative 32 bit integer (s32)
[19:46:29]<PCW> (since you don't have the hardware)
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[19:54:44]<Danimal_garage> PCW: do you have any 7i64's in stock?
[19:55:03]<PCW> dunno
[19:58:56]<PCW> They are doing inventory everything is in a uproar so I cant tell (plus everyone that would know is off today)
[19:59:51]<sparr> archivist: I'm building a reprap first, then a small dremel-based CNC for milling circuit boards, then I'll build something big.
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[20:05:43]<sparr> are there any forums for CNC builders with trade/sale sections where I could post some steppers i want to get rid of?
[20:06:32]<pjm__> there is a forsale forum on http://www.mycncuk.co.uk/[20:07:00]<sparr> I'm in the US, and overseas shipping is probably not appealing
[20:07:05]<sparr> do you think so?
[20:07:50]<Tom_itx> you still peddlin steppers?
[20:08:07]<sparr> at this rate, will be forever :)
[20:08:14]<Tom_itx> use em
[20:08:42]<sparr> I am going to use a lot of them
[20:08:52]<sparr> but realistically I probably only expect to build one machine a month
[20:09:28]<archivist> make them 5 axis, that uses more steppers :)
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[20:10:01]<sparr> 5 axis, 2 steppers per axis!
[20:10:13]<sparr> 10 steppers per machine... will only take me 3-5 years to use them up
[20:10:40]<archivist> ah..some excess stock
[20:13:08]<cradek> andypugh: does that fix it? (which is a stupid question because I know it will)
[20:14:29]<sparr> it's not so much stock as an awesome deal i ran across
[20:14:31]<sparr> and forgot about
[20:14:50]<sparr> was planning my reprap when i remembered there was a cabinet full of steppers somewhere in my warehouse
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[20:16:01]<jdhNC> sparr: what size steppers?
[20:16:27]<sparr> nema23s
[20:16:48]<jdhNC> that covers a lot of ground
[20:16:50]<sparr> all the info I have: KM-K370-07V (6-wire) 48mm, 23LM-C355-28 (8-wire, labeled "2.3V/PHASE 2.3A/PHASE 1.8DEG/STEP 1.0OHM/PHASE") 50mm, PJT70-D1U (4-wire, labeled "Volts:6.4 Res:3.2") 68mm
[20:17:27]<sparr> the 4 and 8 wire have wires. the 6 wire just has a male header on the side of the motor
[20:17:48]<jdhNC> superior?
[20:17:58]<sparr> I don't know what that question means.
[20:18:23]<jdhNC> mfg
[20:18:52]<jdhNC> the 23km is a slo-syn or astrosyn
[20:19:15]<sparr> Kollmorgen, Astrosyn, Astrosyn
[20:19:40]<sparr> sorry, didn't think to record that, feels dumb now :)
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[21:03:25]<andypugh> cradek: Yes
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[21:20:46]<Danimal_garage> PCW: no worries. im just wondering if i should order one now or wait till i figure out what else i'll need. if there's a decent lead time on it and ordering sooner would help, i'd do that.
[21:21:18]<Danimal_garage> i need to get the machine here and start working on it to find out if it's got resolvers or encoders
[21:21:43]<Danimal_garage> that's the only thing holding me up on placing a complete order.
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[21:25:07]<MOGLI> anyone tried EMC2 with EMDEBIAN or any other embedded linux???
[21:26:06]<Danimal_garage> and now i get to attemp to solder a broken wire deep in the bowels of the dashboard in a saturn vue...
[21:26:24]<JT-Shop> solder tape?
[21:26:43]<Jymmm> crimp on
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[21:38:06]<JT-Shop> damm 1 Mbps up and down, I ain't seen that since I started paying for it
[21:39:32]<Danimal_garage> i couldnt even get my hand in there
[21:39:45]<Danimal_garage> nice!
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[21:43:24]<andypugh> I am completely baffled. Someone on CNC zone is trying to use my bldc component to spin a fanuc motor using a normal hal-sensor bldc drive. With the 4 position bits netted to the parport they all go true (on my machine) but that comes out at the wrong angle. If I unlink the pins from the parport then they all change state, but the angle doesn't change. Until I have them _all_ unlinked, when it starts to work, and I can setp t
[21:43:25]<andypugh> input pins and get angles out. That makes no sense at all.
[21:44:54]<JT-Shop> makes even less sense to me
[21:48:00]<andypugh> Well, imagine that the pattern of 4 bits corresponds to an angle, and as the bit values change, the angle should. While any of the bits are netted to the parport, the angle is fixed, regardless of the bit values. Once they are _all_ disonnected, then changing their values has the expected effect.
[21:48:33]<andypugh> I have an inkling what the problem might be.
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[21:50:36]<andypugh> Yes, I see it now.
[21:50:48]<JT-Shop> glad I could help :)
[21:50:48]<andypugh> I wish to register an complaint!
[21:51:17]<JT-Shop> do you wish for me to check to see if anyone is manning the complaint department?
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[22:09:38]<andypugh> The issue seems to be (and I am checking) that the parallel port pins are not numerically 0 or 1, they are numerically 0 or their bit position.
[22:11:38]<JT-Shop> that is interesting
[22:14:47]<cradek> and entirely normal
[22:15:07]<cradek> for digital pins you must test them with if(pin) or if(!pin)
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[22:15:26]<cradek> if you write if(pin==1) you're doomed
[22:15:41]<cradek> (you are not the first or last to write that bug)
[22:16:00]<andypugh> The problem was v = pin1 | pin2 << 1 | pin3 << 2 | pin4 << 3
[22:16:36]<andypugh> I am of the opinion that it could be considered a bug in hal_parport.
[22:17:11]<mhaberler> andypugh: the complaint department is, in fact, manned: http://mah.priv.at/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=35617[22:17:45]<cradek> andypugh: that's how hal pins work. it's a mistake to think it's particular to hal_parport.
[22:18:05]<cradek> you need to treat them as C booleans (zero for false, or nonzero for true)
[22:18:13]<andypugh> But it isn't how C logic in general works, is it? TRUE == 1?
[22:18:26]<cradek> no, C does not work that way
[22:18:54]<cradek> if(a) {body} executes body if a is nonzero
[22:19:08]<cradek> if(!a) ... zero
[22:19:24]<andypugh> Yes, but (3 == 3) evaluates, reliably, as 1?
[22:19:35]<cradek> yes
[22:19:54]<cradek> (but irrelavent)
[22:20:06]<andypugh> And HAL pins are labeled TRUE and FALSE?
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[22:20:35]<cradek> the values TRUE and FALSE aren't part of C
[22:21:05]<andypugh> So, I guess I need to go through everything I have written, and check?
[22:21:14]<cradek> probably :-/
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[22:21:52]<cradek> fwiw, see NOTES in http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man3/hal_bit_t.3hal.html[22:22:01]<andypugh> setp pin true always uses 1. I demand that it start to allocate random non-zero balues
[22:22:39]<cradek> clearly it should use 0xf00f
[22:23:04]<andypugh> The first computer I programmed used oxFF
[22:23:32]<sparr> can anyone explain to me why there isn't more crossover in machine design between the cnc-router, laser cutter, 3d printer, and plotter communities?
[22:23:37]<andypugh> A nice, emphatic, not-zero
[22:23:49]<cradek> sparr: doubt it
[22:24:20]<cradek> why am I still at work at 4:30 on a friday!?
[22:24:36]<cradek> bbl...
[22:24:53]<Danimal_garage> cradek: i'm looking at a touch screen monitor
[22:25:05]<Danimal_garage> is touchy picky on what you get for a monitor?
[22:25:49]<skunkworks> I don't think touchy is - but linux may take some fiddling
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[22:27:37]<Danimal_garage> ah
[22:27:50]<Danimal_garage> hmm maybe i shouldnt mess with it then
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[22:28:01]<Danimal_garage> i'm a slow learner with that crap
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[22:30:32]<Danimal_garage> ah, they have ubuntu drivers for it
[22:30:39]<Danimal_garage> i bought it
[22:30:46]<Danimal_garage> i'll try it out on the new mill
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[22:57:20]<A2Sheds> sparr: lack of any genuine cooperation
[22:58:33]<A2Sheds> agendas, type A personalities, control, etc etc, same with most communities
[22:59:45]<tomp_> scusa, on a new box & missing links, whats psha's irc history url?
[23:00:15]<andypugh> logger[psha]:
[23:00:50]<tomp_> thx andy
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[23:16:02]<Danimal_garage> hmmm... i wonder how i can pick up my compressor to put it on a dolly
[23:18:21]<andypugh> Air bag
[23:19:43]<andypugh> Danimal_garage: This is how I lift my mill (or components thereof) https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs#5600023926512887810[23:19:51] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@squal.net] has joined #emc
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[23:41:37]<Danimal_garage> andypugh: it would tip over and crush me
[23:42:03]<andypugh> Only if it went wrong.
[23:42:11]<Danimal_garage> it's a vertical compressor, about 6 feet tall, top heavy, and probably well over $500lbs
[23:42:25]<Danimal_garage> -$
[23:43:05]<andypugh> Sounds not dissimilar to my mill. (The air bag was a joke, the tripod and pull-lift wasn't)
[23:43:06]<Danimal_garage> i can't put anything underneath it to lift it, which is the problem
[23:43:45]<Danimal_garage> i considered hoisting it from the rafters, but i'm pretty sure 2x4's cant handle that load
[23:43:58]<andypugh> Did you look at my photo?
[23:44:58]<Danimal_garage> yea, i don't have anything like that
[23:45:10]<Danimal_garage> and it wouldn't be tall enough
[23:45:47]<andypugh> Well, I made that, and bought the pull-lift from eBay
[23:46:10]<Danimal_garage> i want to put my compressor on wheels, and i have this really heavy duty base from a cart, it's all about 3" square tube steel
[23:46:36]<Danimal_garage> it would be perfect
[23:46:38]<andypugh> If you put in on wheels, it will move.
[23:46:47]<Danimal_garage> it has wheel locks
[23:46:54]<Danimal_garage> it aint moving anyways
[23:46:57]<andypugh> But if you can't lift it high enough, there is no solution.
[23:47:18]<Danimal_garage> which is the problem lol
[23:47:55]<Danimal_garage> it only needs to be hoisted about 6" or so
[23:48:09]<andypugh> You could probably rent a big engine-hoist.
[23:48:25]<Danimal_garage> i have one, but i don't think it's tall enough
[23:48:43]<andypugh> Stand that on blocks?
[23:48:49]<Danimal_garage> it's partially broken too, i need to reweld some stuff on it
[23:48:58]<Danimal_garage> hmm
[23:49:02]<Danimal_garage> hood idea
[23:49:21]<Danimal_garage> it's not like it has to move when the compressor is lifted
[23:49:48]<Danimal_garage> that's a nice little mill btw
[23:49:59]<Danimal_garage> ballscrews?
[23:50:28]<andypugh> It is getting ballscrews
[23:50:43]<andypugh> (It has two so far). It's a slow-moving project
[23:51:17]<Danimal_garage> cool
[23:51:20]<Danimal_garage> servo?
[23:52:02]<Danimal_garage> it would be cool with a high speed spindle and toolchanger
[23:52:03]<andypugh> Yes. I actually only bought it because I found myself with 3 servos and 2x 8i20 going spare :-)
[23:52:14]<Danimal_garage> ha nice
[23:52:19]<Danimal_garage> what size servos?
[23:52:26]<andypugh> 500W
[23:52:37]<Danimal_garage> a little small, aint it?
[23:53:12]<Danimal_garage> gear reduction?
[23:53:32]<andypugh>https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs#5630434064687887650[23:54:05]<Danimal_garage> gear box on them?
[23:54:06]<andypugh> and https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs#5648298973355550482[23:54:22]<andypugh> No. But they are 7Nm
[23:54:38]<Danimal_garage> cool
[23:55:05]<Danimal_garage> 7??
[23:55:13]<Danimal_garage> hmm
[23:55:18]<andypugh> 500W seems like a big jump from 100W steppers, to me.
[23:55:48]<Danimal_garage> mine are about 5nm, but they're 1.5kw
[23:55:57]<Danimal_garage> something off there?
[23:56:14]<andypugh> I am quoting peak, rated is something like 2.5Nm
[23:56:18]<Danimal_garage> ah
[23:56:42]<Danimal_garage> anything is better than steppers
[23:56:49]<Danimal_garage> has it moved yet?
[23:56:59]<andypugh> As for the hogh-speed spindle, at the moment it is oddly slow speed, low gear is 45 rpm.
[23:57:06]<Danimal_garage> ha wow
[23:57:41]<Danimal_garage> i don't even have a mill that will go as low as twice that speed
[23:58:09]<andypugh> It has been used manually, I am struggling with getting the resolver/arduino/5i33/bldc/8i20 loop all working
[23:58:19]<Danimal_garage> ahh
[23:59:09]<andypugh> I am not sure that the motors don't all have a pole missing, or perhaps the 8i20 has a hysteresis value. Or soemthing.
[23:59:30]<Danimal_garage> that sucks
[23:59:33]<andypugh> But I can't get less than 1/4turn of free play in the motor shafts.
[23:59:53]<Danimal_garage> resolver issue?