You may wanna check your facts... Your WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY off. That enough ways to get my point across. Can we just label this guy a troll and ignore
him?

They say don't feed the troll, but you're hurting even yourself. Posting a wikipedia link to make your point.

Yes, because showing proof and underlying a point is "trolling"...so is then probably referring to history books or any other form of source of
information.

Let me guess you are one of those rejecting and dismissing anything you ever learned and read simply because what you hear on the Art Bell show (or in
church)..sounds more "plausible" for you, right?

And by the way, back to the main topic..there STILL is no valid reason to doubt the "mainstream" reports that GT is approx. 12.000 years old..there
is simply no indication that the numbers are wrong/off...so why even go through the hassles to disprove something when there is no reason to do so?
And again..i already said that way earlier.

If they had reasonable doubts, you bet we would have already heard that somewhere.

What's the proof that it IS?! Are you kidding me? And what church? Are you confusing something here? When did I say something about the church or Art
Bell?

Since there is NO proof that this is 12.000 years old I don't see the point of not questioning it.

Hey it's not my fault you were taught to believe something you heard on the TV and on the internet. I grew up learning from actual history books.
Which according to your way of discussing, you still have to go through.

To the Topic, there are world wide ancient greek buildings, statues etc. Why shouldn't thee be in the neighboring country? Oh I forgot the documentary
said so

This certainly sheds some new light on early human history. It is evident that something happened on this planet around 12,000-12,500 B.C. Some type
of cataclysmic event, that buried everything. Egyptologists have stated that they believe the true age of the Sphinx is right around that time frame
also. And as we are finding out a lot of different civilizations were erected around this time.

What's the proof that it IS?! Are you kidding me? And what church? Are you confusing something here? When did I say something about the church or Art
Bell?

Since there is NO proof that this is 12.000 years old I don't see the point of not questioning it.

Hey it's not my fault you were taught to believe something you heard on the TV and on the internet. I grew up learning from actual history books.
Which according to your way of discussing, you still have to go through.

To the Topic, there are world wide ancient greek buildings, statues etc. Why shouldn't thee be in the neighboring country? Oh I forgot the
documentary said so

I was referring to "the church" since you disputed the people here with the claim of the 12.000 years old (where, in my opinion, there is really
NOTHING off or mystical about it)...but then a few posts further you agreed to a guys posting who stated clearly that he believes "we are only around
6000 years"...

Which let me believe that your arguing here might be biased.

And my "Art Bell" reference was since you rejected Wikipedia which is usually done by most conspiracy theorists since they assume Wikipedia is some
MSM outlet spreading lies..while on the other hand having no problem swallowing everything they hear on the Art Bell show or from David Icke

The funny thing here is that the age of GT has never been to debate..so i am honestly totally confused why we are even discussing this?

As far as i know there are "serious" archaeologists and scientists working there..and they are not exactly known for spreading fantasies like on
your typical conspiracy sites...so cant we assume that their tests and research is "valid"..UNLESS there is a reason to believe it were not?

Short: Do you think they would say it's 12.000 years old if all measurements and techniques used would actually cause doubts and if the majority of
the scientists would not even be sure whether it's accurate? Usually, they would not just throw out random numbers or make them up unless they are
"quite" certain.

Okay you want me to look up these articles in an britainica? I mean come on just cause it's WIKI doesn't mean that the defintion of the time periods
is any different, frankly your arguement is laughable. An on your form of logic I could fart pixy dust and post that as a fact on WIKI, Oh wait I
couldn't because those articles are checked by accredited folks anyway and I'm sure you are much more highly educated then them, your post proves it.
Also could you outline in those ruins the "greek" influence in the architecture? I'd love to hear your answer to this.

Carbon dating isn't excepted as fact anymore? Are we discrediting that now?

noo, that's not what i meant at all. i was just saying that it may not be true about the original stone, but rather the stone after it had been
carved, which could mean it's even older than 12,000 BC or even younger. as of now, we don't know when the stone was carved with the animal figures
vs when the stone was cut and placed. these may be (notice i said "may be"?) two different events separated from each other in time. so calling each
other stupid when we don't really know all the details yet, is kinda pointless.

there's a rationale for saying that, particularly the tendency for older monuments to be quite plain stylistically and more functional in nature, if
you understand what i mean. it'd be akin to us deciding to carve figures into cement blocks before/after we used them to construct a home. and
although i know there are later examples of carving stones and monuments, we're currently discussing how to place the art in context with the rest of
archaeology, or at least, that's what i'm looking at.

the "human" figures are not humans lol
been through this already. those are not human beings. might explain why this particular site doesn't jive with any ancient human history text.
cause, it ain't about us in the first place.

Originally posted by chrismicha77
Goes to show you how little we know about our ancestor history and what lies buried beneath our feet. I sometimes wonder what cataclymic events
brought down some civilizations and when these events will occur again!

The flood did. Most of the pyramids around the world, especially the Great pyramids were built round 10,500 years BC.

These great structures were built by the Watchers IE: Fallen Angels and their offspring the Nephilm. They intervened in mans upbringing so God sent
the flood to wipe out all of the evil that they had brought to man, while his Arc Angels snatched up the Watchers and buried them somewhere on earth
in way they cant get out.

I'm glad someone mentioned "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo. Joseph P Farrell mentions the book and the info in it is mindblowing. Think "Book
of the Damned" but with more up-to-date science. Homo sapiens sapiens are not tens of thousands of years old, or hundreds of thousands of years old --
try on millions of years old. Evidence buried in geological strata -- ignored & denied by mainstream scientists. If it's the first time you've tried
on this idea, it can be difficult.

In some of Edgar Cayce's "Life Readings" -- he recounted human incarnations from as far back as ten million years ago. I realize most here do not
believe in reincarnation, or would give credence to Edgar Cayce's readings, but I do.

The more I learn of "alternative" history, the more convinced I am that not only are humans part starseed, but the aliens/ETs never left entirely.
(I'm not talking about David Icke's Reptilians.) The Keepers rule this world. This info has been kept & passed on in secret societies. Periodically
the Keepers cull the herd with a major worldwide catastrophe. We are kept ignorant of our real history. We are destroying the planet. Can a worldwide
catastrophe be far off?

Originally posted by tyranny22
Make it's where they docked the Arc before it (or they) set sail. Seems that they'd need to separate some species (herbivores from carnivores?) in
order to successfully "save" all they could.

I'm curious to know what carvings appeared where on each pillar.

so you think the markers are like zoo sign posts:
here are lizards, here are the geese, etc?

Neat... makes me think about this ; Carlsbad Caverns in NM; they are covered in stalagtites and stalagmites, thought to be natural and very very old;
but infact old mining caves get big ones just like this in just a few years, so who's to say that those caverns were not mined of some metal by
aliens just a few thousand years ago? Or maybe even another human race maybe 16000 years ago? I think that God stars the human race over and over here
on earth every so often like clockwork.

Originally posted by chrismicha77
Goes to show you how little we know about our ancestor history and what lies buried beneath our feet. I sometimes wonder what cataclymic events
brought down some civilizations and when these events will occur again!

The flood did. Most of the pyramids around the world, especially the Great pyramids were built round 10,500 years BC.

These great structures were built by the Watchers IE: Fallen Angels and their offspring the Nephilm. They intervened in mans upbringing so God sent
the flood to wipe out all of the evil that they had brought to man, while his Arc Angels snatched up the Watchers and buried them somewhere on earth
in way they cant get out.

I'm glad someone mentioned "Forbidden Archeology" by Michael Cremo. Joseph P Farrell mentions the book and the info in it is mindblowing. Think
"Book of the Damned" but with more up-to-date science. Homo sapiens sapiens are not tens of thousands of years old, or hundreds of thousands of
years old -- try on millions of years old. Evidence buried in geological strata -- ignored & denied by mainstream scientists. If it's the first time
you've tried on this idea, it can be difficult.

In some of Edgar Cayce's "Life Readings" -- he recounted human incarnations from as far back as ten million years ago. I realize most here do not
believe in reincarnation, or would give credence to Edgar Cayce's readings, but I do.

The more I learn of "alternative" history, the more convinced I am that not only are humans part starseed, but the aliens/ETs never left entirely.
(I'm not talking about David Icke's Reptilians.) The Keepers rule this world. This info has been kept & passed on in secret societies. Periodically
the Keepers cull the herd with a major worldwide catastrophe. We are kept ignorant of our real history. We are destroying the planet. Can a worldwide
catastrophe be far off?

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Im sorry but the Great Pyramid was built during the reign of Khufu and construction ended around 2560 BC. We do not just have carbon dating to verify
this but the texts of the Egyptians themselves. Even Jericho wasn't built in 10'500 BC - that was 1'000 years later.

And as to humans 10 million years ago?

That is millions of years longer than the species has been around......

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