Yes this is quite known here in NYC (where I live). This whistleblower is a hero and got some brass ballas thats for sure. There's a great article
that came out in this week's villiage voice. I'll see if I can find it.

Correct, this policy may have been dreamed up by senior officers and, quite possibly, all the way up to the mayors office in which case this could
well become very nasty. However, any police officer following such orders and knowingly harrassing people is just as guilty as those who created the
policy framework under which they carried out their duties.

Remember, we hanged people at Nuremburg who were "only following orders"!

Kudos to you sir.
There are good people and bad people regardless of their occupation.
Keeping fighting for what you believe in and know is morally and ethically right, because that is all that matters in the long run.

Correct, this policy may have been dreamed up by senior officers and, quite possibly, all the way up to the mayors office in which case this could
well become very nasty. However, any police officer following such orders and knowingly harrassing people is just as guilty as those who created the
policy framework under which they carried out their duties.

Remember, we hanged people at Nuremburg who were "only following orders"!

Correct and I agree. But we must realize how the train of thought evolves: "I must protect my family's livelihood along with my own livelihood,
regardless if my actions are right or wrong". Two things happen in the thoughts of the officers:

1) The blue wall of silence is very intimidating; it's a gang mentality that is no different from mafia or from the crips and bloods - no snitching,
and this is how things are done around here.

2) The possibility of losing your career and possibly your reputation but not following the department culture.

How to stop that? It's certainly hard to do but the first action in order would be to hold those that are responsible in the higher ups that push
those policies in place. The policies must be eliminated first and foremost before anything. The second action would be to make it the far lesser evil
of the beat cops to do what is right rather than do what is departmental procedure. Complete immunity of those that come forward, and jail time for
those not willing to expose the corruption when caught.

to bad the system is weighted against good
but like the news in general, you seldom hear of the good because bad is so much more news worthy
take heart though as most folks support good or even legal police

community policing means the community is also responsible
not just for bitchin
but to help keep it clean too

This is nothing new and goes on in every large inner city PD in the country. There are some honest officers out there but too many turn the other
cheek when they see something which makes them just as guilty. He's lucky he wasn't black or he might have died in a case of mistaken identity with
a hail of bullets while off duty. As long as they are given the power to police the public with little oversight then things like this will happen.

"You are so brainwashed from the start to understand that the police can do no wrong and if they do it is our job to cover up for them. We have to
stick together. "

That sounds illegal. Especially if there's a cover up. BTW, thanks for doing your best in such an amazingly hostile environment as that. I hope
good police like you can catch "PIGs" (Power Inflictors of Govt) in the act with evidence for appropriate legal retribution of those miss deeds.
Even your courage to post here about the challenges is admirable. Thanks!

That's nice and all, but no, it's not a black man's disease. I work in a psychiatric hospital and we do not have an abundance of black male
schizophrenic patients. Here is the DSM V criteria. Show me where I missed it saying black. Show me how these criteria can be twisted to make it a
black man's disease.

A. Characteristic symptoms: Two (or more) of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if
successfully treated). At least one of these should include 1-3

1. Delusions

2. Hallucinations

3. Disorganized speech

4. Grossly abnormal psychomotor behavior, such as catatonia

5. Negative symptoms, i.e., restricted affect or avolition/asociality

B. Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning
such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset (or when the onset is in childhood or
adolescence, failure to achieve expected level of interpersonal, academic, or occupational achievement).

C. Duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least 6 months. This 6-month period must include at least 1 month of symptoms (or less
if successfully treated) that meet Criterion A (i.e., active-phase symptoms) and may include periods of prodromal or residual symptoms. During these
prodromal or residual periods, the signs of the disturbance may be manifested by only negative symptoms or two or more symptoms listed in Criterion A
present in an attenuated form (e.g., odd beliefs, unusual perceptual experiences).

D. Schizoaffective and Mood Disorder exclusion: Schizoaffective Disorder and Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features have been ruled out because either
(1) no Major Depressive or Manic Episodes have occurred concurrently with the activephase symptoms; or (2) if mood episodes have occurred during
active-phase symptoms, their total duration has been brief relative to the duration of the active and residual periods.

E. Substance/general medical condition exclusion: The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of
abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.

F. Relationship to a Pervasive Developmental Disorder: If there is a history of Autistic Disorder or another Pervasive Developmental Disorder or other
communication disorder of childhood onset, the additional diagnosis of Schizophrenia is made only if prominent delusions or hallucinations are also
present for at least a month (or less if successfully treated).

I used to get mad when the public would curse us and talk bad about us and then when the shtf we are always the first people they call for
help. After we help, they go back to hating us.

I think it is likely that if these people were not forced (under the threat of violence) to pay for police services they would be spending the money
on private security services instead. Can't blame them for being forced into purchasing the services of people they dislike.

Like I keep telling yous, the fix is in. A fascist revolution is being planned out. They intend to destroy any and all credibility of existing social,
political and economic structures by filling them to the brim with psychopaths.
The psychopaths will do their thing, and defecate all over the place. Through their actions the unthinkable will become thinkable.

Heck according to those links the NYPD is now a rogue, criminal agency. The police forces are being pushed more and more into committing
greater acts of insurrection. Soon the governors will have to declare martial law; in order to send the National Guard to detain and replace the
criminal police departments. And the sociopathic PTB are content with this. The ends justify the means in their minds.

I suppose it makes sense. TPTB are always fond of eugenics, and the number one detriment to every and all civilizations is psychopaths. Fascism, a
highly efficient variation of socialism, requires a scapegoat in order to implement. Using psychopaths as that scapegoat makes a certain degree of
sense(from a eugenics view point).

I can't even pretend to understand what you are talking about. "Forced under threat of violence" ? WTF are you talking about.

I became a police officer because I am a people person and I enjoy helping people. I wear a gun yes. I have had to pull my weapon maybe 3 times in 12
years and have never had to fire my weapon. I find that even in dire situations if you can relate to someone then most of the time you can de-escalate
most any situation without having to resort to violence.

The only time I have had to ever strike anyone was when they were striking and there was no other recourse left in order to make the arrest.

I have never written bs citations like, no seat belt, no tag light, failure to signal lane change, to just name a few. I would rather make valid
arrests for burglary, murder, child abuse, child molestation, etc any day of the week than deal with stupid traffic citations. But that is just me.
Others love doing the traffic and I would never say anything bad about those officers as long as it is done withing the law.

I suppose you believe that police are not needed. That society is able to police themselves. Well what about the little old ladies that have no one to
look out for them? What about the children that are abused by their parents? What about the people that are too timid to take up for themselves? Who
would look out for these people if police did not exist?

I guess we could survive without law-enforcement but then the only people that would benefit would be the burglars, rapist, murderers, pedophiles,
gang-bangers and drug dealers. There would be no deterrent for these people.

Originally posted by mikelkhall
I suppose you believe that police are not needed. That society is able to police themselves. Well what about the little old ladies that have no one to
look out for them? What about the children that are abused by their parents? What about the people that are too timid to take up for themselves? Who
would look out for these people if police did not exist?

No one looks out for those people as it is.

When do you help the old lady? After she's been victimized.
When do you help those abused kids? After years of torment.
When do you come to stand up for the timid? After they've been beaten and left in the gutter or to come arrest them the next day for assault for
having stood up for themselves.

In the absolute best of cases a cop might be able to intervene on a crime in progress if the planets align and all timing is right.

Barring those ultra-rare circumstances they only serve to show up after the fact and depending on several factors they're either there to make you
already bad day worse or to shovel you a line of BS, take some notes and leave you no better than you were when they showed up.

That's not meant to be a knock. It's the simple truth about the job and its limitations. Even with decades of pseudo-pre-crime legislation essentially
making everyone out to be a criminal, preventing the violation of another human being or of private property is impossible.

I can't even pretend to understand what you are talking about. "Forced under threat of violence" ? WTF are you talking about.

Yes, it seems most people don't give much thought to the nature of the taxation system. Whether you believe the practice to be moral or not (in that
the end justifies the means), the fact remains that taxation is collected as a result of coercion, primarily the threat of kidnap (and being locked in
a cage). Therefore citizens are indeed "forced" (taxation is not voluntary) to purchase the services of police under the coercive means used to
collect taxes. That, is "WTF" I am talking about.

I suppose you believe that police are not needed. That society is able to police themselves. Well what about the little old ladies that have no
one to look out for them?

Of course some sort of security/investigative services are needed. Some would argue that the free market could provided these services far more
efficiently and that this would be more moral than being coercively forced to purchase particular services. I am merely offering you an insight into
how so many people can resent the police, yet rely on their services from time to time, as you seemed perplexed by this paradox in your previous post.

What about the children that are abused by their parents? What about the people that are too timid to take up for themselves? Who would look
out for these people if police did not exist?

In the free market charities would provide these necessities to people who are unable to purchase it for themselves. There are tens of thousands of
children starving to death in Africa everyday, but I don't threaten you with violence to coerce you into giving to the same charities as I. One could
just as easily ask what about them?

I guess we could survive without law-enforcement but then the only people that would benefit would be the burglars, rapist, murderers,
pedophiles, gang-bangers and drug dealers. There would be no deterrent for these people.

How are gangs and drug dealers supposed to turn a profit without any police around?

I am a proud member of Oath Keepers and our mottos is "not on my watch".

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire
Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the
Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution Our motto is "Not on our watch!"

It is unfortunate that there are a lot of citizens that believe police officers are uneducated, mullet-headded readnecks that could care less for the
constitution or the citizens that we swore to protect. Many citizens and apparently quite a few of the posters here on ATS believe that police
officers are mindless drones that could not get a "real" job if they had to.

As for myself I was a systems analyst/programmer analyst for 15 years before I became a police officer. I worked for companies like Novell, Medical
Arts Center and University of Arkansas. I am only one of many officers today that are, indeed, educated and believe in the sanctity of our
Constitution.

I do not deny that there are problems in policing just as there are problems in military, banking, shipping, etc. One of my pet peeves is the Child
Protection Services, talk about corruption, but thats another story.

But this story is not about me or all the corrupt cops in the world. This story is about a brave officer that refused to be a mindless drone and
strove to make changes and was ostracized, punished, terrorized and imprisoned in a mental institute for his actions and beliefs.

Once again I salute Adrian Schoolcraft for his bravery and pray that those responsible for the crimes against him will be punished.

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