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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

That was a fascinating game. Looked like in the first half the pacers forgot how to get good shots against the heat excellent defense. You have to look to draw the double teams and move the move quickly and make one more pass than you have to against any other team. Second half we started doing that.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

The only call that was truly bad vs just questionable was the jump ball call. That was bad. Beyond that it was the typical questionable calls going either way. Fans and the pacers were overreacting. Team is too good to get caught up with refs. They have to stop that . The heat got 8 easy points on the first half because they were too concerned with refs

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I thought the game was called fairly for the most part. I would like to see a couple of those straight up Hibbert calls again. Wasn't sure that it wasn't a foul on Hibbert for a couple of them. I didn't think the refs dictated the game which is always nice.

Pacers turned it over 21 times and still won somehow. However, the Heat shot 4-21 from 3 and only lost by 6. Many of those were wide open, and the Heat just missed. So, thats kind of worrisome. I feel like the Heat shooting 3's at a higher percentage than 19% is more likely than the Pacers getting their turnovers down significantly. Battier was way off tonight.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Folks, PLEASE realize how instrumental Vogel is to wins like these. This team will always have mentally-lacking stretches with so many young, emotional players, but the job Vogel has done getting guys to focus, develop and adapt has been nothing short of stellar. Look at a guy like Roy Hibbert. Complete headcase even a year ago. Dude is just a rock now. Look at the progression of maturity in Paul George in one half alone. Lance will always be a wildcard, but you catch my drift.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Folks, PLEASE realize how instrumental Vogel is to wins like these. This team will always have mentally-lacking stretches with so many young, emotional players, but the job Vogel has done getting guys to focus, develop and adapt has been nothing short of stellar. Look at a guy like Roy Hibbert. Complete headcase even a year ago. Dude is just a rock now. Look at the progression of maturity in Paul George in one half alone. Lance will always be a wildcard, but you catch my drift.

Vogel is a terrific head coach.

I don't think it's all Vogel. I think having David West has helped out a ton too. That guy never seems to lose his cool and doesn't mess around.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

As they walk out of the Fieldhouse carrying a BIG bottle of alcohol apparently pilfered from the Varsity Club or Legends. Unfortunately the ******* got away from security, but not before BillS and I started a "Check his pockets" chant. Little Lebron jersey wearing douchebag bolted.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

David West scores, then drills Mario Chalmers with a forearm coming back up the floor. Chalmers still rubbing his chest.
— Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) December 11, 2013

I'm not sure who it was, I think Chalmers but not sure, but in I think the 3rd quarter West straight up flattened some Heat player under the rim after one of those Roy and ones. Knocked him straight on his face from behind.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

The only call that was truly bad vs just questionable was the jump ball call. That was bad. Beyond that it was the typical questionable calls going either way. Fans and the pacers were overreacting. Team is too good to get caught up with refs. They have to stop that . The heat got 8 easy points on the first half because they were too concerned with refs

LeBron hit two of our guys above the neck. Neither one looked unintentional. Those need to be called.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Hold the phone. Lebron really said this?

"What is a rivalry these days? A rivalry is Celtics-Lakers. They met like four out of five years. Bulls-Pistons [in the Jordan era]. Those are rivalries. We've played these guys two years in the playoffs and guys automatically make it a rivalry. There's no real rivalry in the NBA these days. You don't see the competition enough. These teams are really, really good teams striving to win a championship. But rivalries, man? There are no more rivalries. It's the truth. I've thought about that. There's no more rivalries. There isn't. Cowboys-Redskins is a rivalry. Ohio State and Michigan is a rivalry. Duke and North Carolina is a rivalry. We're two teams that have the same aspirations, and if we happen to meet again, then possibly. But everyone wants to classify it as a rivalry. It's not."

If he doesn't think Pacers and Heat are rivals yet that's fine. I think he's wrong, but I get it, there's still not a ton of history. But NO RIVALRIES IN THE NBA? Maybe I'm going overboard, but that just such a massive misunderstanding of professional basketball that it sort of makes me question his competitiveness. I mean, Cowboys/Redskins? When's the last time those two played that meant a damn thing? But that's your criteria for a rivalry?

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Yes, LeBron had what would've been likely a dunk at the rim, and West lowered his shoulder and sort of checked him from the front. He was enough in front where it wasn't a clear path.

Oh, I heard Quinn talk about that. He called it a "healthy foul" if I remember correctly. I saw it happen, but zoomed out and at full speed. I must have been looking away during the slo-mo, close-up replay.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Staying in Vegas tonight. Staying at the Luxor. American Country Awards going on at Mandalay Bay right next door. Walking around afterward and see Trace ****ing Adkins. I took the picture and was decked out in Pacer gear. He came up to me, shook my hand, and said, "Pacers win?"
I said, "Yeah covered the spread."
He said, "Hell yeah Brother. "

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I want to go Stephen A Smith on anyone who mentions Greg Oden, the dude hasn't played since 2009.

Paul George 17 points, LeBron James 17 points...And Paul had a pretty bad game by his standards, he clearly wasn't prepared for the double teams, I think he will be ready now.

Roy went beast mode, and work on the free throws.

"It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."