Here's Why Dianne Feinstein's Assault Weapons Ban Might Actually Work http://www.businessinsider.com/dianne-feinsteins-assault-weapons-ban-2012-12/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sat, 10 Dec 2016 00:31:49 -0500Erin Fuchshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e7514becad044a01000015KevinFri, 04 Jan 2013 17:01:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e7514becad044a01000015
I dont see an answer in the article to the postulated title of "Here's Why Dianne Feinstein's Assault Weapons Ban Might Actually Work"
What portions of Feinsteins latest ban would work? And Work at what? At passage? At eliminating mas killings? Im at a loss here...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e6315569beddc338000005g lawThu, 03 Jan 2013 20:33:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e6315569beddc338000005
hey you did catch this video didnt ya? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc</a>
looks like a shotgun to me, not a "bushmaster"... and what happened to the guy in the woods and the others in the van?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e3ce3cecad048356000016RememberWed, 02 Jan 2013 01:05:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e3ce3cecad048356000016
Feinstein is an idiot. She feels that assault weapons are the enemy. Actually it’s sick lunatic people that are the big threat. According to the statistics from the FBI site on weapons used in homicides, the number of rifles used during the entire year of 2011 was 323. Yes you liberal idiots. The number was 323. All of these 323 rifles were not so-called assault weapons. Blunt objects were used 496 times. Yes unless you can’t understand what I’m saying is that rocks and like instruments caused more homicides in 2011 than your so-called devil assault rifles. Let’s also define assault weapons properly. Assault weapons are fully automatic rifles used by the military. The rifles that are wanting to be banned by uniformed politicians are semi-automatics.
These are not the type of rifles the military uses. And, yes semi-automatic rifles make fine hunting firearms.
Kick this woman out of the senate and stand up for your right to bear arms and the second amendment. Tell the government to inform itself and leave the American’s rights alone. We don’t need people like Dianne Feinstein in Washington making laws against law abiding Americans and damaging the Constitution of the United States.
The only thing that needs banning are no good politicians like Feinstein who have an agenda to take your constitutional rights away.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e34f8e69bedda01b000001Chuck RupertTue, 01 Jan 2013 16:05:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e34f8e69bedda01b000001
The FBI's murder-by-weapon statistics clearly show why the assault ban did not work. Assault rifles (in fact ALL rifles combined) were the LEAST LIKELY weapon to be used in a murder--less than 2 percent!
Furthermore, Feinstein is fond of (mis-)quoting the IMPACT EVALUATION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND RECREATIONAL FIREARMS USE PROTECTION ACT OF 1994. Her favorite study concludes on page 97 that "Our multi-site analysis of gunshot wounds inflicted in fatal and non-fatal gunshot cases failed to produce evidence of a post-ban reduction in the average number of gunshot wounds per case or in the proportion of cases involving multiple wounds."
So why is she lying about the use of assault weapons? Why is she going after the LEAST USED murder weapon? Simple--even though it is meaningless, it strikes a cord with some people, and it's soooo much easier than looking for REAL solutions. If you demand weak, ineffective solutions from your leaders, they will oblige you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e1f53b69bedded6d000008skip gainerMon, 31 Dec 2012 15:27:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50e1f53b69bedded6d000008
Why should any law biding American citizen have to ask for the governments permission to own a weapon of their choice, it is none of the governments business. These politicians have become no more than a high paid lobbyist working for their rich donors wishes, who keep these politicians [lobbyist] in office to do their biding. Our politicians are a far cry from being a representative for the people, no money in that!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dfa5f5eab8eaea3f000011Jonas thompsonSat, 29 Dec 2012 21:24:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dfa5f5eab8eaea3f000011
Feinstein is a kwazy phucking jew bitch.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df36646bb3f7a428000014Jason AndersSat, 29 Dec 2012 13:28:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df36646bb3f7a428000014
This is a terrible, restrictive, and unConstitutional proposal from a senator that likes to attack the Constitution rather than defend it as she was sworn to do. I for one am tired of these polititians not answering for their violations of Oath of Office and set up a petition to impeach her. Please sign and forward to your friends if you feel the same way. <a href="http://wh.gov/Q7xd" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://wh.gov/Q7xd</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df2e7decad04d32d000015Gary PiferSat, 29 Dec 2012 12:55:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df2e7decad04d32d000015
Lets see The California Teachers Fund and Calpers, State Pension fund, invested in assault weapons. Diane Feinstein has armed body guards. Hypocrites all.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df13af6bb3f7306a000002smokeSat, 29 Dec 2012 11:00:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df13af6bb3f7306a000002
Feinstein is a dual citizen of israel as are 12 others in the senate including schumer, liberman, levin, etc. etc. and there are 27 in the house of rep. and almost all are gun grabbers,,, the biggest problem america has is the dual israeli citizens control over the u.s. gov. if not for that america would not be fighting wars without end for israel.
It should be against the law for any dual citizen to hold any position in the u.s. gov.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df076769beddc04d00001bWesleySat, 29 Dec 2012 10:08:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df076769beddc04d00001b
This will start a civil war, you know ithttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df0119eab8ea1c5b00000fConcerned ParentSat, 29 Dec 2012 09:41:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50df0119eab8ea1c5b00000f
I am a legal gun owner who submitted to background checks, completed the appropriate training, and take gun ownership seriously. As law-abiding citizens we are expected to navigate the labyrinth of conflicting state laws regarding firearms and we do successfully everyday. Although many of these laws are conflicting between neighboring states, we still respect them and abide by them everyday. Let’s make it easy for everyone (including David Gregory) and develop a basic framework across the United States.
With 300 million firearms in private hands (one-third of them pistols), the overwhelming majority of gun owners ARE responsible, law-abiding citizens, which is why these horrific massacres are not commonplace, but rather horrific outliers that can never be legislated away (e.g. DC, Chicago, and “Gun Free Zones”). We need teach personal responsibility to our children, family, friends, neighbors and politicians and hold them accountable for their actions.
For several examples for the recent use of firearms for defensive purposes not typically reported by the national media please visit: <a href="http://www.equalforce.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.equalforce.net</a> and forward this address to others to whom this information may be useful. @forceequalizerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dec6e269bedd502b000033BrandonSat, 29 Dec 2012 05:33:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dec6e269bedd502b000033
Have you even read the details? The bill not only violates the second amendment but the fifth amendment as well, it states if an owner of an "assault weapon" dies it has to be turn into the government. It also bans most semi-automatic pistols and rifles, even the SKS! Also it would ban lever actions with over 10 round magazine capacity like the Henry rifle. Most gun owners will not put up with this, the bill is extremely radical. I do not believe assault weapons bans will work as they are very rarely used in crime at all, this bill would not curb gun violence it would probably trigger a Second American Revolution or major civil unrest. This ban would actually make murder rates skyrocket.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de79f869bedd157f000007ACRSat, 29 Dec 2012 00:04:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de79f869bedd157f000007
This is a red herring like was done in the first ban, The guy is dead now but he put forth a similar bill to give cover for Sen. Fienstein's then more moderate bill. This will be held up as the extreme view and what ever comes out of Obama Biden's supposed committee will be held to be moderate compromise to give moderates cover to vote for something as less extreme. Old gun banners tactic and is why he NRA takes a hard line up front.
In any case I will not go into the nightmare of what is comrade Feinsteins proposal. Any proposal that seeks some sort of ban is doomed to fail up front.but they know that and don't care. They have another entirely different goal. First supposing that somehow all the hi cap mags would suddenly only be in lawful hands and no more could come in Columbine and Va. tech proves the magazine restrictions will not work. At Columbine the shooters had 10 rd. magazines in bulk and more importantly the most lethal short range small arm short of a belt fed SAW or GPMG, a pump action shotgun. The shooter at Aurroa(sic?) had an ordinary shotgun that is one of if not the most common hunting type shotgun in N. America. He had 20 MINUTES. the stupid jammed AR was insignificant. Loaded with buck shot each shell produces one third of an AR15 30rd magazines 5.56mm. They are brutally reliable and at 25 to 30yards or less they have few equals. There is a reason why LEOs despite all the hicap tactical tupperrware they carry now still have pump action shotguns in their cruisers. Fire one round you get 9-12 .30 cal. pellets and you can reload and fire and advance while having the entire tube in reserve. The Aurroa shooter had this ability and 20minutes. Citizen X at New Town had a shotgun he fortunately left behind. Much has been made out of the multiple shots placed in the children at New Town by the hi cap magazine on the AR. One shot from a 12 gauge and you get the same effect and you can move and reload as you fire never running dry. The AR at Auroa jammed and the shooter switched to the shotgun I believe doing most of the damage. At Columbine the shooters had 17? 10 rd magazines and a pump action shotgun. The Va. Tech shooter had piles of pistols mags and locked his victims in.as basically happened at Aurroa and New Town.
Give me a 1866 Yellow Boy lever gun or a m1897 pump action shotgun and I can make your body count just as high if not higher where the targets are confined or in the case of the children totally helpless and it really does not matter what I use.
All the evil features of so called AWs are window dressing that make the firearms easier to use and in the case of the rifles more accurate from a pratical user stand point. Magazines are detachable and can be changed in seconds even if they are of a semifixed type. Besides if there are 100 million AK types in the world and the communist bloc or certain western nations like Israel only made 10 magaines for each rifle ever built which is highly likely very low there are a billion in exsistence. When we disarmed the Balkans by effectively buying up all their surplus ammo and weapons in the late 90s ealy 2000s. Besides containers of ammo,demilled AKs ,intact SKS you could buy 30 round Ak mags all day long for 4.00 or sometimes less if bought in quantity.
The AR15/M16 series has reportedly got as many as 10 -12million made since the early 60s. The aluminum magazines have a 75 cycle lifetime supposedly for military use. How many have been built for them? Virtually none have dates on them.The mighty FNFAL in it's metric version was used by 70 or more countries and was known as the right arm of the free world. It was licensed in at least 12 nations and remains in production in the U.S. and Brazil. We used to buy magazines in bulk for 2.00 each. The German HK91/G3 was used by 33 nations and remains in full scale production in at least three. Until recently surplus German G3 mags could be had for 2.00 each. If we cannot stop the supply of illegal drugs how in the world do you propose to keep out low cost precision metal stampings available all over the world.
All Fienstein's bill is PC run wild. The liberal statist have had their butts handed to them by the courts twice and maybe on the way for a third time over CCW. They are desperate to do something anything to try and regain some momentum. The idea that Americans have had their hands on military rifles since the French and Indian wars scares the statists because it removes their monopoly on absolute force they love to throw around.
If you want something that works encourage everyone to be hyper proactive. Turn in everyone that is making threats or acting unstable. mandate background checks on all fireaarm purchases on all post 1898 firearms.wih the out for inheritance and gifts between parent- children and immediate family. Allow gun dealers to cross state lines to sell at gunshows as long as they comply with state law. Adopt a national uniform CCW policy that allows states to opt out. do away wih the sporting purposes import test and for domestic shotguns. Allow amnesty registration of old machine guns and war trophies. Federal law allows it but it requires cooperation of the president.. Encourage people to lock up their firearms to the point you give them a one off tax rebate up to say 1500.00 to buy a gun safe. Beyond any firearms the owners could lock up other valuables like collectables, cash documents etc. Over time burglars might........ might get tired of breaking into residences to discover that while electronics can be taken real valuables are safetly locked away in a fire proof container.
All this ban stuff has done is encourage panic buying, piss off the very people you need to help you and make sure we are in for one more huge political fight to achieve nothing.
Excuse the typos and bad gramar I found this late and I have had no real sleep for three days.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de773aeab8ea4f3100001cDiogenesFri, 28 Dec 2012 23:53:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de773aeab8ea4f3100001c
Sen. Lyin' Foulstench is just posturing for her fawning media. She may be the darling of the San Francisco granola crunchers, but to the rest of America she is a far-left loonie tune.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de72a76bb3f79d3800000aCalFri, 28 Dec 2012 23:33:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de72a76bb3f79d3800000a
Feinstein's proposal still uses arbitrary, cosmetic features as the primary basis for defining "assault weapon". Thus, more of the same bull****. Also, by specifically naming as banned the entire product lines of some manufacturers, it might fall under the category of a bill of attainder.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de54ececad04761500000bColditz USAFri, 28 Dec 2012 21:26:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de54ececad04761500000b
This is just like the days of Hitler where he demonized people and turned people against each other, then they took their guns off them and marched them to the camps, the oldest tricks are the best.
Don't let them put you on the train.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de53226bb3f7cc76000011sharpone74Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:19:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de53226bb3f7cc76000011
I missed the part of the article where you prove why it would work. If near-complete disarmament hasn't worked to stem violent crime in other countries, why would a partial ban work here? Clue: it won't. It will have the opposite of the intended effect. This does nothing but penalize the 99.9+% of law abiding citizens who choose to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de532169bedd4c2b000014Big TipsterFri, 28 Dec 2012 21:19:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de532169bedd4c2b000014
I would encourage you to read the proceedings leading up to the Bill of Rights initiated by Vice President Adams in 1789, along with what the House and Senate tried to include in this language. The senate tried to include "for the common defense" of the government.
It was stricken for fear that one day a person in power may try to create a "Police State" or "Dictatorship". Therefore citizens were given " the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Now, with this in mind, some people are trying to take away arms. I would suggest that after reading the Bill of Rights and the discussions that took place that in all actuality the government should be giving us guns that meet the armed forces of the country and should be training us.
I would also encourage people to look at the Bureau of Justice statistics and look up Homicides between 1980 - 2008. Gun Homicides are at an all time low. Death rates are comparable somewhat to automobile accidents and falls. That is how low it is.
The country is having a knee jerk reaction to a terrible incident.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de4d506bb3f76b7200000bKyleFri, 28 Dec 2012 20:54:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de4d506bb3f76b7200000b
The original bill never worked because there is no such thing as an "assault weapon." The term "assault weapon" refers to what amount to being scary-looking guns. Virtually all guns in the country as semi-automatic. Semi-automatic has existed since the early 20th century, starting wit hthe Winchester 1903, which came out in 1903 (hence the name).
The purpose of the term "assault weapon" is simply to give gun control people an "in" towards further gun control. It's a way to make it seem as if there is an actual type of weapon that should be banned when said weapon doesn't exist, but merely is defined arbitrarily by the gun control people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de411969beddde7d000027doctoralstudentFri, 28 Dec 2012 20:02:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de411969beddde7d000027
"In 2004, Congress failed to renew an old ban..."
I would say that in 2004, Congress successfully blocked an attempt to control people.
The article is slanted and fails to answer any questions about the net effect of saving lives while making unsubstantiated claims copied/pasted from Sen. Feinstein.
it's a good thing President Obama has repeatedly said that he supports the right of people to keep and bear arms and would take anybody's guns away....unless he was lying.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3f32eab8ea6841000012Feinsteins big break into the big leaguesFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:54:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3f32eab8ea6841000012
For the past 3 and 1/2 years Obama's been THE NUMBER ONE GUN SALESMAN IN THE UNITED STATES.
Now Feinstein is trying to take that number one slot from him.
The only guns Feinstein has ever thought should be legal are the ones protecting her and the concealed carry she has had since her days on the San Francisco Board of Stupidvisors.
Former fire fighter and member of the SF Board of Stupidvisors got into a row with Mayor Moscone and shot him along with another stupidvosor gay activist Harvey Milk and that's how that lousy Feinstein catapulted herself onto the national scene.
Wikipedia has this part fairly accurate --
Late in 1978, Dan White resigned from the Board of Supervisors. His resignation meant that Moscone would choose White's successor, and thus could tip the Board's balance of power in Moscone's favor. Recognizing this, those who supported a more conservative agenda talked White into changing his mind. White then hastily requested that Moscone appoint him to his former seat.
Moscone originally indicated a willingness to reconsider, but more liberal city leaders, including Harvey Milk, lobbied him against the idea, and Moscone ultimately decided not to appoint White. On November 27, 1978, White went to San Francisco City Hall to meet with Moscone and make a final plea for appointment. When Moscone declined to reconsider his decision, White pulled a gun out of his suit jacket and shot and killed Moscone. White then went to Milk's office and shot Milk, killing him as well.
Dianne Feinstein, President of the Board of Supervisors, was sworn in as the city's new mayor and in the following years would emerge as one of California's most prominent politicians.
White later turned himself in at the police station where he was formerly an officer. The term "Twinkie defense" has its origins in the murder trial that followed, in which Dan White was convicted of the lesser crime of manslaughter. White would commit suicide in 1985, shortly after his release from prison.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3c2becad040e6b000002Watt TylerFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:41:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3c2becad040e6b000002
Is part of this proposed legislation investigating her husband for stealing from we the people or perhaps her making a mint from dirty dealings with China? The 2nd Admendment is the law, not Dianne and maybe she is due for trial for being the crook she is.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3b0b6bb3f7844900000eDemocrats want to repeal the 2nd AmendmentFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:36:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3b0b6bb3f7844900000e
The last time the Democrats passed the (so-called) "assault weapon" ban and signed by Bubba Clinton - they were soundly defeated in the next election and lost the House of Representatives.
They will lose the Senate this time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3afceab8ea733c00000fJohn007Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:36:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3afceab8ea733c00000f
Are all liberals delusional by definition?
Have you EVER considered how BIG an industry that popped out 300~500 million guns may be?
You think this is like the 90's?
Have you any clue how many Americans own AR15's and like it or not derive their own personal identity around guns?
You live in your own bubbles and pseudo push-poll stat echo chambers.
TRY this, no matter how you spin it, gunowners see this as nothing less than a FULL-ON Gun Confiscation.
Do you guys ever really ask yourselves WHY 2A is the most cherished among the Bill of Rights in America?
No really. Have you?
I'll give you a hint: guns are the only items that can rise to mythical levels in the mind of the owner, who gets to have a daily relationship with one amendment out of the Bill of Rights.
Sure, your favorite classic typewriter, laptop, or camera is an extension of you and your craft, but at no point does a typewriter trace its mechanical lineage hundreds of yrs back to a very specific chemical mechanical lineage that became encapsulated into a miniature technological marvel that represents at the core a direct philosophical lineage back to the founding of the American Constitutional Republic.
And for that last item, a "republic" and for a vast number of historically aware Americans know and respect the difference between a republic and a "democracy" which all liberals are under the delusion of, is the number one reason why American gunowners will NEVER give up their PRE-Constitution universal innate human Natural Right of Self Defense.
That's the difference. See all you liberal hacks who love oBUSHma despite the indisputable fact that he is equally a bloodthirsty murderous warmonger as much as GWB was, but those of you too young to have observed political ebb and flow of this country fail to realize that Dems have always been better liars. GOP on the most part are crass smug politicos who wear their 'assholeness' on their sleeves. Dems just know how to hide it better, lest you forget the most 'peaceful' POTUS Carter is the one who actually funded the mujahadeen that became Alqaeda, and responsible for most of dicatatorships in Africa. But like reality of the fecklessness of guncontrol laws, what's history and facts to you?
Try it, again. And see what happens.
Better yet, should you ever happen upon the most disastrously unfortunate mishap of having some lunatic rapist or armed mugger coming after you, ask yourself this question: if you pulled out a copy of Dianne Feinstink's AWB bill, do you think it has some magical powers to stop your assailant, or go Neo on flying projectiles headed your way?
You really want to know WHY we live in a violent society? Because the self-professed peaceniks are a bunch of delusional cognitively dissonant morons who delude that a POTUS who keeps a kill list of American citizens, and like the previous POTUS deludes he can start multiple wars without Congressional approval is rightfully deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.
THAT, is why: Your pathetic inability to face reality. Your continuous refusal to actually weigh facts and reality, just because in your mind, everything that doesn't have 'liberal' stamped on forehead must be a lie.
You are a socially engineered cargo cultist, chiding everyone else as one.
Hope you have no significant other, because if you're this geopolitically ignorant and gullible enough to delude everyone not on your political side are the only ones living in a bubble, then you may want to see if your girlfriend or boyfriend has a mistress.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3843ecad043060000009AnthonyFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:24:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de3843ecad043060000009
Why I appose this legislation is because it didn't work from 1994-2004 and it won't work today. Secondly they expect those of us who own existing "scary looking" guns to comply with NFA registry, none of these asshats have ever done that, but I have on my SBR and its a giant pain in the ass, not to mention a waste of tax dollars and classist as fuck because each person would have to pay 200 dollars per nfa registration tax stamp. such legislation would not of prevented what happened in Connecticut because the nut job killed his mom to the acquire the guns to begin with. Lastly these asshats who push such legislation can afford armed guards and gated communities to protect there families. I cannot, (even though I probably work more days a year then they do).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de380669beddcd6700001aWhat about fingerprinting and databanking the NUT JOBSFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:23:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de380669beddcd6700001a
No mention of registering and fingerprinting the mentally ill -- just legal gun owners past and present.
Typical liberal crap -- we'll take away your freedom and rights TO PROTECT YOU.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de337beab8ea4f2d000004smokeFri, 28 Dec 2012 19:04:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de337beab8ea4f2d000004
The car the msm said belonged to lanzas mother belongs to a felon and there are several videos on you tube that give the name of this person and show the car being impounded, again this is not lanzas mothers car, and this is the car that had the weapon being removed from the trunk, lanza did not have an assault weapon.
Lanza was killed by the real killers and his body was taken to the school and the two 9mm pistols were planted by him. Take a look at the you tube video of the news conference where an officer in the state police lies to a reporter in response to ie were any other suspects arrested ,,, the officer says no,,, this is an outright lie as there is a video on you tube showing the arrest of one of the suspects and a second suspect was also arrested, so why would a state police officer outright lie about this.
Take a look at the video on you tube of the new conference by the state medical examiner, he states a long rifle was used, and by the way this wayne carver acts like someone who has had his life threatened to say the right things, he is evasive, nervous,,,hesitates, stumbles around in answering reporters questions, take a look.
So answer this if you can,, all reports and the medical examiner say a 223 cal weapon or weapons were used in the killings, but lanza was found with 9mm pistols, which proves lanza did not do the shooting , and here again lanza was killed and his body planted at the scene.
Now are you just a little curious why there are no reports of who the suspects were that the cops arrested and where are these suspects, who were wearing camo clothes, etc. and were running from the scene when captured, go to you tube and you can watch the capture of one of these , and hear witnesses talk about these suspects.
By the way do some research before you trash people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de2cd4ecad04134f00001aAmericaFri, 28 Dec 2012 18:35:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de2cd4ecad04134f00001a
It will never pass because they know thousands will die when the country is ripped into civil war. Do you know how many Militia factions are in the US? Try it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1e1c6bb3f7f817000013LidkeyFri, 28 Dec 2012 17:33:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1e1c6bb3f7f817000013
"people who have "grandfathered" semiautomatic weapons would have to undergo background checks" After the stunt that lohud pulled posting handgun permit holder's names and addresses online who in their right mind would let the government know that they had one of these weapons. No rational person believes this is effective legislation. Everyone who wants to make fast money now is buying as many semi-autos as possible to sell on the secondary market to those who don't want to be tracked online by irresponsible journalists like lohud.comhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1d1469bedd8b2a000007LarryCFri, 28 Dec 2012 17:28:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1d1469bedd8b2a000007
Feinstein's draft is broad enough to have some effect if it passed...but won't pass because it's unworkably broad. There are several 10 millions of semi-auto *handguns* which can take magazines larger than 10 rounds. Even the classic early 20th century 'automatic pistols' like the M1911 Colt which normally take ~7 round single row magazines *can* take longer ones, and many modern semi-auto pistols normally take >10 round (two row) magazines which fit within the length of the hand grip.
The National Firearms Registry now includes ca. 200k automatic weapons, with a very slow rate of additions and it still takes the BATF months to process a new permit application. How would they process several 10's of millions of applications from existing owners of any handgun that can take >10 round mags? That's ridiculous just as a practical matter aside from politics.
And the politics is that the law would intrude on the lives of 10's of millions of people who own ordinary handguns. That's a powerful base of opposition way beyond any definition of 'gun nuts'. The part of the draft implying that handguns would be included is IOW totally over the top and unrealistic.
But even the retroactive features of the bill applied to 'assault weapons' makes it politically nonfeasible IMO. It's one thing to ban sales of stuff, quite another to tell people they have to jump through new hoops to keep things they already have. That excites a lot of persistent opposition, whereas the frenzy the media has whipped up over the Newtown shooting will tend to fade.
And the article also assumes the Dems really want to pass an AWB, rather than calculating that they can use successful GOP opposition to one to (further) damage the GOP's national brand. But depending how the Dems go about trying that, they may shoot themselves in the foot instead, pun intended.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1b75eab8ead574000004LidkeyFri, 28 Dec 2012 17:21:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de1b75eab8ead574000004
Unfortunately Feinstein's new bill would be of little effectiveness if it could pass. The best the H or Reps could pass is a bill that regulates the capacity of magazines and drums etc, but even then the NRA and other firearm lobbyists like the NSSF with HQ 3 miles from Sandy Hook Elm will fight it in the courts and eventually rule it unconstitutional.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de18b469bedd941c000019AntFri, 28 Dec 2012 17:09:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de18b469bedd941c000019
<a href="http://wh.gov/QoEF" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://wh.gov/QoEF</a> Please show supporthttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de185f69beddf921000003sweetdougFri, 28 Dec 2012 17:08:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50de185f69beddf921000003
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Excellent stuff. And a hell of an observation.
Here's your answer to "why is it left to a commentator like me to bring up the fact it is unconstitutional on its face?"
Because they don't want to raise this issue, from one beyond an emotional response. This is from the left, where everything is emotion and sentiment based.
And because for 40 years, the liberal progressive crowd has been changing the meaning of words and controlling the "narrative". Those that control the language of the argument, control the argument.
It they don't start with the idea that it's unconstitutional to do this, there will be war, if it is attempted.
It is that simple.
Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution
<a href="http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1243-feinsteins-gun-control-bill-will-trigger-the-next-american-revolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1243-feinsteins-gun-control-bill-will-trigger-the-next-american-revolution</a>
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Any discussion of what Feinstein plan's to introduce in January should include the fact that the summary of her bill posted on her website (<a href="http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons</a>) outlines what is unconstitutional on its face. The Second Amendment specifically states "...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Any discussion that doesn't include the fact that no branch of the Federal government may "infringe" upon any American citizen's right to "keep and bear arms" is discussing what is unconstitutional on its face! The plain fact is that so long as we have a Second Amendment as part of our Constitution, we can "discuss" the issue of private gun ownership on the national level, but we may not legislate private gun ownership (and obviously this includes sale and manufacture) on the national level. Our Constitution just as clearly leaves the power to enact any such legislation to the states, that is where any such legislation must originate, and this constitutional fact should be part of any discussion on any level.
This prompts me to ask: in a Business Insider editorial, hinting at the likelihood Feinstein's proposed bill might pass in the Senate, why is it left to a commentator like me to bring up the fact it is unconstitutional on its face? Why hasn't that been factored into the analysis? Finally, why has the author noted only that the opponents of the previous ban on "assault rifles", which was also unconstitutional, and argued that way by opponents at the time, based solely on the "it won't work because it's riddled with loopholes" line of argumentation? Is it because that narrativet fits so nicely into the author's premise that this time around, because Feinstein's bill closes all those "loopholes" it's a "better" law, with, therefore, better chances of passage? How could an intelligent author miss the fact that a law that "infringes" the right to keep and bear arms even more than its unconstitutional predecessor clearly can't be a "better" law?
Here is the link to Feinstein's webpage on which she has posted a summary of her proposed bill:
<a href="http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddfb60ecad043c72000001Jungle JimFri, 28 Dec 2012 15:04:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddfb60ecad043c72000001
Now Acutus, that just isn't true ! Diane Feinstein knows a lot about weapons. She hates to admit it but she has had a concealed carry permit in California since she was in her early twenties. When challenged she says that being in the public eye she needs one for protection. As nobodies, you and I of course don't. Politicians as a group are terrible hypocrites.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf707eab8ea0e25000009CameronFri, 28 Dec 2012 14:46:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf707eab8ea0e25000009
THE GOP lead House should pass some of it and ignore the horrible idea of a National gun registration . Why does the Fed government need to know Who has guns other then to later try and take them away later .?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf571eab8ea7d1d000010AShotgunGoldFri, 28 Dec 2012 14:39:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf571eab8ea7d1d000010
Hey, nice one. You described her idiotic plan, but didn't provide one reason "why it might work." Diane Feinstein is just plain creepy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf4546bb3f70d4c000006Rev. AmadeusFri, 28 Dec 2012 14:34:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf4546bb3f70d4c000006
What a load of BS. Criminals and mass murderers don't care how many laws you pass. I'm starting to grow weary of this anti-freedom propaganda on BI. What does this have to do with business anyway??http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf3aa6bb3f7d249000002clambogateFri, 28 Dec 2012 14:31:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf3aa6bb3f7d249000002
The fact is that the guns use in Newtown CT were illegal. They were stolen from the owner after the owner was murdered. They were not legally possessed by the shooter in the school.
Feinstein the hypocrite got a concealed carry permit in Santa Cruz CA. She also has armed bodyguards paid for by us.
It's a bunch of baloney. You can therefore just go buy a Ruger mini 14 that shoots the same .223 ammo and put a good sight on it etc. and you're ready to go. It doesn't look like the others because it would not have the pistol grip stock. But it will shoot in a similar way.
Funny the most dangerous guns are those nice Remington 700 useful for long range sniping. The US Marines and SEALS use them but with plastic stocks. It would be very useful against that drone they have looking down at you.
Take that Remington and camp out on a hill and you can get tons of guys from your hiding spot and they'll be plenty of people down before they find you.
Oh, did I give some bad person an idea?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf0c7ecad04f759000010PatHenryFri, 28 Dec 2012 14:19:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddf0c7ecad04f759000010
Most gun owners could/would pass a background check/fingerprinting/photographs.
However, NFA registration also requires a Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) signature.
Many CLEO's will not sign.
As a gun owner, your alternatives are:
1) Hand over your weapon(s).
OR
2) Wait for the police to kick your door in.
Even if a small percentage (10%) of gun owners resist,
MILLIONS of gun owners will have to be arrested.
If this bill becomes law, expect a new civil war.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dded71eab8ea330d00000eDon't Panick!Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:05:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dded71eab8ea330d00000e
"For example, the old law banned weapons with two or more "military-style characteristics," so gun makers would simply remove these cosmetic features and remarket the assault rifles."
The new law will just ban barrels and bullets!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde5f16bb3f7b031000001SherifFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:33:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde5f16bb3f7b031000001
nope, it wont stop people from going mad, and killing people in schools.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde4d3eab8ead775000016bdbrFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:28:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde4d3eab8ead775000016
That bill won't "work" because the GOP-led Congress (with a strong right-wing contingent) would never pass it...and she probably knows this. Given the powerful gun lobby, it probably won't even make it out of the Senate.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde41f69bedd401d000002bdbrFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:25:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde41f69bedd401d000002
Read any report more than a few hours after the incident. The CT police said a shotgun was left in the trunk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde25eeab8ea197300000fBubbaFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:18:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde25eeab8ea197300000f
If I read it right, it would require gun owner registration as well.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde1f469bedd441400000bHank ReardenFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:16:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dde1f469bedd441400000b
And a bureaucrat will determine which SINGLE characteristic by one of 5 senses (appearance)? And I'm to trust the 'touchy - feely" political establishment with their whim of the hour? I am beginning to really 'feel' the erosion of liberties that were established in the Bill of Rights. Get a back bone soon sheeple.
And do trust their decisions for your care under the coming Affordable Care Act.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddfdf6bb3f77b2400000cJohnny FreedomFri, 28 Dec 2012 13:07:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddfdf6bb3f77b2400000c
Her Bill is going to get us law abiding citizens killed. Does she honestly believe that disarming the masses is going to deter another mass shooting. because what gang banger, thug or all around nut is going to abide by this law!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddb8f69beddfb01000014acutusFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:49:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddb8f69beddfb01000014
Yea, I think there are some unintended consequences to the "gun free" zones.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddace6bb3f7b61b000005acutusFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:45:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50dddace6bb3f7b61b000005
ya know that's a great niche market! you're right...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd9f4ecad04523200000dFritz PfisterFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:42:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd9f4ecad04523200000d
<a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-28/guest-post-feinsteins-gun-control-bill-will-trigger-next-american-revolution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-28/guest-post-feinsteins-gun-control-bill-will-trigger-next-american-revolution</a> Really? Feinsteins plan will waken a sleeping giant. Sorry libs that doesn't include you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd9cbeab8ea965d00000fWillFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:41:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd9cbeab8ea965d00000f
Actually something does smell funny. Reports state that all victims of the shooting were killed by rifle rounds. And yet the supposed assault rifle that the perp used was in his car. Anyone care to explain?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd8ed6bb3f72c19000005WillFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:37:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd8ed6bb3f72c19000005
Did you know Virginia Tech had a ban on weapons...any weapons? It's a gun free zone! I'm sure lots of morons still believe such bans "might actually work."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd401eab8eaed52000008hmmm...Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:16:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd401eab8eaed52000008
Crazy is relative.
Mental health is a continuum.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd39e69beddd37100001cdepressionFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:15:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd39e69beddd37100001c
is he crazy , or is he just after delusional readers of low IQ ....
you know if you round enough of those types up and make them captive to your website which only reports the "real" news , i would think after a time you could milk them for money ....
if you've ever wondered where the people who buy into pymird schemes come from , it's probably those types of people .http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd35c69beddf56e000006superduckFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:14:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd35c69beddf56e000006
The law requires law abiding citizens to be finger printed on "grandfathered" magazines and firearms. So tell me how does registering law abiding citizens that legally bought their firearms and magazines help stop criminals?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd2b8eab8ea2c4d00001aacutusFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:11:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd2b8eab8ea2c4d00001a
Hey pal; ya know you're crazy right? just checkin'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd1bd6bb3f77907000038acutusFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:07:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd1bd6bb3f77907000038
WOW great news. Between Diane Feinstein & Erin Fuchs we're all gonna be okay. Two people that don't know anything about weapons and certainly have NO CLUE what to do after a horrific mass killing. Okay everybody lets all wring our hands and wait for the knee jerk reaction to get done so we can all feel good about ourselves again...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd1186bb3f77807000013smokeFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:04:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd1186bb3f77807000013
Lanza and his mother were killed at their home by the assault team killers who actually did the shooting at sandy hook. The msm reported that lanza drove to the school in his mothers car, but in fact the car that was impounded by the police is registered to a small time criminal.
Lanza could not drive to the school in any event, because he was dead, the killer team took lanzas body to the school and planted two 9mm pistols by lanzas body and then the three man team of killers did the shooting, two of these shooters were arrested by the cops, a video of this is on you tube and the third killer escaped.
The medical examiner wayne carver stated in a new conference which can be seen on you tube that the killings were done with a LONG RIFLE ,,, LANZA DID NOT HAVE A LONG RIFLE,,,, lanza was found with the planted pistols, this alone proves lanza did not do the shooting, the team of killers did it and they are getting away with this crime.
This shooting has all the marks of an intel psy ops, black ops, done to further the govs gun control agenda.
For the latest and most accurate reports on this issue....go to VETERANS TODAY.COMhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd0a06bb3f7d909000001depressionFri, 28 Dec 2012 12:02:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50ddd0a06bb3f7d909000001
"Unlike the old law, Feinstein's proposal would specifically ban any firearm that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition, effectively making it tougher for gunmen to shoot at large groups of people quickly."
she had better only be talking about assault weapons and not mags for handguns .. my bad boy carries more than 10 and that's how i like it ...