Any of the 16 Republican presidential candidates could of easily beaten Hillary, i'm just surprised Trump was the last man standing, considering the many cringe worthy things he said, no matter the many times the man put his foot in his mouth he still managed to stay on top, i assume the average Joe was fed up with politicians and wanted an outsider no matter how unpolished, and add the 24/7 free coverage from the media, Trump was a ratings bonanza but all that free press backfired, the liberal media thought Trump was easy pickings for Hillary, they thought it was a done deal, hype up Trump during the primaries then go for the kill before the election, its a proven tactic with the liberal media, that's how they destroyed John McCain and Mitt Romney, but they miscalculated this time, your average voter was ready for real change and they were angry, even my home state of Pennsylvania went to Trump, as many other blue states switched party lines with the most delegates for Trump, The Democrats not only lost the White House but are now the minority in both congress, this is the same party that predicted the demise of the republican party, they can now sit at the back of the bus thanks to Obama.
I didn't vote for Trump, but my wife did, smart woman..If he can bring this economy around, i will be the first to praise him. lets hope and pray he has success.
Good video on Detroit, socialism never works and this is proof. here is another from Crowder, worth a look at... Happy New Year.
https://youtu.be/1hhJ_49leBw

Hmm, nice try Mr Hand, even tho Trump is a NY liberal posing as a republican, i don't think TimJ could stoop so low, some liberals won't cross that line, that's the job of the alt-right crowd waving their confederate flag and yelling...build the wall.
But having said that, racism, homophobia, misogyny does show its ugly head, its that some groups hide their true feelings better than others, but this pass election was an eye opener.

LOL, the thread is still barely alive, but without the input of its founder it will slowly fade to oblivion, nothing lasts for ever so the saying goes, but it was fun and entertaining, I will miss the back and forth between TimJ and Mr Hand, and i suppose we can all be civil and agree to disagree, because in the end nothing really matters, we are here today gone tomorrow.
So Cheers to TimJ, Mr Hand and all who participated in this lively thread,

Sanders And Trump Are The Same Totalitarian Candidate
On the surface, there’s not much in common between New Hampshire GOP primary winner Donald Trump and Democratic primary winner Bernie Sanders. Trump is a billionaire businessman; Sanders is a career politician. Trump’s personal favorability is the lowest of all candidates on either side; Sanders’ is the highest. But the impulse that drove New Hampshire voters to the polls for Sanders is the same as the impulse that drove them to the polls for Trump: the desire for a powerful authority figure to fix everything using the power of government. In fact, before the New Hampshire primary, CNN reported, “Because independents can register as ‘undeclared’ in New Hampshire and then vote in either party’s primary, the Vermont senator’s campaign has noted some of these voters are wavering between Sanders and Trump.”
There’s a reason for the confusion: Trump and Sanders aren’t that different on policy. Really.
They’re both anti-establishment candidates who bash Wall Street. Here’s Trump from his victory speech last night:
It’s special interests’ money, and this is on both sides. This is on the Republican side, the Democrat side, money just pouring into commercials. These are special interests, folks. These are lobbyists. These are people that don’t necessarily love our country. They don’t have the best interests of the country at heart.
Here’s Sanders from his victory speech last night:
We have sent a message that will echo from Wall Street to Washington, from Maine to California, and that is that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors, and their Super PACs.
Trump and Sanders are on the same page on trade, which they see as a zero sum game at which America is losing. Sanders has described trade with China as “catastrophic” for our economy. Days ago, Trump admitted that he and Sanders mirror each other on the topic: “The one thing we very much agree on is trade. We both agree that we are getting ripped off by China, by Japan, by Mexico, everyone we do business with.”
Both Trump and Sanders want to do away with Obamacare in favor of a more universal system. Trump has been extraordinarily unclear on what he wants to replace Obamacare, but he vows that he’ll stop the “insurance companies…getting rich on Obamacare” and ensure “we’re going to take care of the people on the street dying.” Here’s Sanders last night:
Twenty-nine million Americans should not remain uninsured, an even greater number should remain under- insured with large deductibles and co-payments. We should not be paying by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs at a time -- listen to this, when the top three drug companies in this country made $45 billion dollars in profit last year. That is an obscenity, and let me tell you something. When we make it to the White House, the pharmaceutical industry will not continue to rip-off the American people.
Both Sanders and Trump vow to enshrine programs like Medicare and Social Security. Here’s Trump last year:
I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.
Here’s Sanders last night:
No, we will not allow huge tax breaks for billionaires, we will not allow packed — huge cuts to social security, veterans needs, Medicare, MedicAid, and education.
And while Trump has run on the basis of a uniquely strict anti-illegal immigration policy, Sanders has historically opposed illegal immigration on the basis of driving down American wages: “Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors.” This is straight from the Trump playbook.
On foreign policy, too, Trump and Sanders sound alike. Here’s Trump on the Iraq war from the last debate:
I was very much opposed to the war in Iraq. Lot of these guys were all for the war in Iraq look what’s that has got it. Spent $2 trillion, now handing Iraq over, just handing over to Iran…I’m very much into the military, will build our military better and stronger, that’s the — opposed to what we have now. I was opposed to the war in Iraq. Most conservatives, let’s go gung-ho. Everyone of them wanted the war in Iraq. Look where it got us.
Back in October, Trump said we should let Russia handle ISIS, and added that he wanted to cut military spending. Here’s Sanders from his speech last night:
As president I will defend this nation, but I will do it responsibly. I voted against the war in Iraq, and that was the right vote. While we must be relentless in combating terrorist who would do us harm, we cannot, and should not be the policeman of the world. Nor should we bear the burden of fighting terrorism alone. In the Middle East, the United States must remain part of an international coalition sustained by nations in the region that have the means to protect themselves. Together we must, and will, destroy ISIS, but we should do it in a way that does not put our young men and women in the military into perpetual warfare in the quagmire of the Middle East.
So why are Trump and Sanders soaring? Because they both represent a reaction to the corruption and entitlement culture of Washington D.C. – and both of those reactions are anti-democratic. Neither candidate ever talks about the proper role of government. They just talk about how they’ll increase its power to use it for their own purposes.
That’s what many of their supporters want. Many Trump supporters frequently comment that he “wins,” that he will “win” for America, that he’s capable of “making deals,” that he’s not beholden to anyone or anything. Sanders supporters say the same thing.
Many Trump supporters – the ones who believe he is a transformational figure – ignore the fact that Trump won’t change the nature of government in any real way. They’re looking for a singular authoritarian solution to the problems of their lives. They believe it takes a power broker to stop the power brokers. Hand Trump the ring of government power, and watch what he can do! He may not cast it into the fiery chasm from whence it came, but he’ll use it to fight Mordor sometimes.
Sanders’ supporters also object to a corrupt government – but they think that more government is the solution. They think the government is bought and paid for by outside parties, and they want an honest socialist dictator in charge to clean house. They want a Hugo Chavez to ride in on the wind and use the power of government to punish their enemies. Sanders may proclaim that his motivating feeling is hope, but the real motivation behind his campaign is bitter jealousy and petty vengefulness.
These are the wages of big government and an unendingly powerful executive branch. Too many people gain too much by its existence to do away with it; too many people want to control the guns and the money to back a true reformer. Every four years we now pick our dictator. It’s just a question of whether that dictator does the stuff you want, or whether you’re his target.

BILL SPONSORED BY IOWA REPUBLICANS TO EXPAND MEDICAL MARIJUANA
A bill in Iowa proposed today by Republican State Rep. Peter Cownie would expand the state's current medical marijuana law and would open up the drug to more patients with a variety of conditions, as well as permit people to grow marijuana. Currently, medical cannabis is only available in oil form for people with epilepsy.
Some Republican House lawmakers are supporting legislation that would create a system for manufacturing, distributing and possessing some forms of medical marijuana in Iowa, though it's unclear what type of support the bill will get from party leaders.
The bill would expand the state's current law on medical marijuana, which allows some epilepsy patients to use cannabis oil.
The new legislation would expand it to include more products and patients though it would prohibit the smoking of medical marijuana.
Twenty three states, plus the District of Columbia, permit the use of cannabis for a variety of medicinal purposes.
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SO MUCH FOR THOSE EVIL REPUKES THAT TIMJ RANTS ABOUT ALL THE TIME.

Im all for ecological wisdom social justice and non violence but imho its a tough sell for a third party, the green party has some succsess in local town elections but on a national level not too many people care as with the case of ralph nader and Jill Stein who lost every major race for governor and a fail attempt at a presidential run in 2012, if she runs again in 2016 as the green party candidate well im afraid history will repeat itself, a majority of americans across this country are fed up with career politicians democrats and republicans alike, whose sole mission in life is to get reelected, they are like a pack of hyenas tearing the flesh of a still living victim, thats why narcisstic egomaniacs like trump is ahead on the poills nationaly, because people are angry at politicians and will follow any outsider who will tell them what they want to hear, but once in office the deal will be made and it will be buisness as usual, i think it will take a revolution to turn this country around, and who knows, maybe a third party is what we need, stay tuned

"https://www.youtube.com/embed/d-D02_qv_kU"
ARE YOU SICK AND TIRED OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS TAKING YOUR VOTE FOR GRANTED WHILE THEY CATER TO LOBBYISTS AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, WELL HERE IS SOMEONE WHO WILL FIGHT FOR THE COMMON MAN AND HIS NAME IS TED CRUZ, THE ELITE REPUKES DESPISE HIM, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DONOR CLASS HATE HIM, THE WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT WOULD RATHER HAVE A LIAR LIKE HILLARY OR ANOTHER BUSH IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO, IF YOU WANT TRUE HOPE AND CHANGE THEN TED CRUZ IS YOUR MAN.

THEY SAY A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, BUT TIMJ'S IDEOLOGY HAS BLINDED HIM FROM THE TRUTH, SADLY THERE ARE MILLIONS OF TIMJ'S OUT THERE WHO WERE BRAINWASHED AND ARE THEMSELVES SPREADING THE SAME LIE, THEY ARE ALL LEMMINGS HEADED FOR THE CLIFF, OBAMA STILL HAS AN ARMY OF USEFULL IDIOTS.

No the hell wonder no one hardly responds here..
You Sir started this thread with the hateful intent of bashing a particular political party, calling Republicans ignorant racist homophobic bigots, and expecting cheers and applause from fellow members, i think not, your twisted and warped point of view of the world is not shared by everyone, maybe thats why no one here in CC defends your bigotry and hate, this world needs people who will at least respect others opinions and meet half way, to share ideas and come to a reasonable agreement between opposing views, that my friend is how you start a dialogue, with humility respect and an open mind. personal attacks will only leave you isolated and alone, hence no positive feedback from well respected members or anyone else for that matter, i think its time for you to end this constant hate filled dribble and post something positive and uplifting for a change.

Hey Tim, Suppose we change your post and use i instead and see the real YOU,
Posted Today, 04:55 AM
Im nothing but a Butthole hand.. Have been this way for years now... A one way thinker.. Limited mind and thought.. my hijacking bullshit is so old... i need to grow up and get with America Dude.. Nothing And i mean nothing is happening for the democrats.. Its been a failure for the Dems and this President..I see nothing but my far left Wing shit as responses.. Never any real anything... But i keep right on plugging for those liberal democrats.. I support Democrats..IM WRONG WRONG WRONG again hand... I do such a great job posting the wrong shit because of them.. I do all this by myself... Just like my antics here.. Looking like a Far Left Wingnut and posting as one as well... So im moving my ass into the twenty First Century and move back to center and Facts.... I look like a total Fool...
This is the real you Tim, Comedy Central would have a field day with your posts, thanks for the entertaimnent.