for those who have the 484 selvedge denim and have worn them for a while, how much do they stretch? a SA told me they dont stretch much and to stick to my true size...i'm a true 32x30. but i've heard others saying to get the 31x30. thoughts?

I have 2 pair of the 484. The resin crinkle and black resin crinkle. The indigo resin crinkle have not been washed and have stretched quite a bit BUT the black resin crinkle have been washed and have NOT stretched much. I live in Texas so they don't get worn too often here either.

I personally didn't mind them stretching since I didn't like them being too tight.

I have 2 pair of the 484. The resin crinkle and black resin crinkle. The indigo resin crinkle have not been washed and have stretched quite a bit BUT the black resin crinkle have been washed and have NOT stretched much. I live in Texas so they don't get worn too often here either.

I personally didn't mind them stretching since I didn't like them being too tight.

They don't make a 31 waist in the raw I don't think.... I usually get 31 inch waists in Jcrew jeans, and originally sized up to the 32x32 raw 484's but they were super loose. So I returned them for the 30x32s which were a touch tight in the waist at first, and have stretched to be comfortable, but nothing too dramatic. I have only worn them about a dozen times though. No washes.

They don't make a 31 waist in the raw I don't think.... I usually get 31 inch waists in Jcrew jeans, and originally sized up to the 32x32 raw 484's but they were super loose. So I returned them for the 30x32s which were a touch tight in the waist at first, and have stretched to be comfortable, but nothing too dramatic. I have only worn them about a dozen times though. No washes.

they sell them in 31, i'm actually selling a pair in my listings lol (length is too long). but from what you said, i should get the 31 x 30 rather than the 32 x 30.

oh hai i picked up some "summer weight" khakis at their outlet store this weekend. can anyone tell me what this corresponds to in the normal stores? these seem nicer than the essex pants ... but maybe im confused. also they had some sick graphic tees in the factory store that i cannot find in normal store or online

i picked up some "summer weight" khakis at their outlet store this weekend. can anyone tell me what this corresponds to in the normal stores? these seem nicer than the essex pants ... but maybe im confused.

I've ordered several shirts from landsend canvas in small, and they fit pretty well (although sleeves are a bit too long). How do jcrew slim fit shirts fit? Woudl a small in landsend canvas be comparable to a small in jcrew slim fit? Or, should I size down in jcrew slim to an xs?

i dont own any shirts from landsend, but couldnt you just try them on at a j.crew store? from my experience, i get a S in the regular j.crew shirt as well as slim fit. the slim one fits perfect but after a big meal my stomach is bumpin uglies with the buttons.