Baseball card collectors and fans of the game are left scratching their heads after Topps made the decision to scrub mentions of Pete Rose and his Major League Baseball records from their products.

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Yet, when it comes to players chasing Rose' records, his name is omitted. For example, Chicago White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski's card mentions his standing in regard to the "all-time record of 4,256" hits, but no mention as to who holds that mysterious record.

Rose’s records are legitimate and shouldn’t be ignored. There is a case to be made for his exclusion from the Hall, but even the Hall of Fame lists his records and achievements, he just isn’t enshrined.

...and as time has passed, IMHO, the veteran’s committee should consider him in light of the steroid era.

Agree. The whole "culture" of betting/gambling is anathema to the game of baseball, but still not as egregious and dishonest as "cheating" by "doping", etc...

Love him or hate him, Rose earned his on-field credentials honestly, as far as I've ever heard, and simply being made to disappear from the record books (and the Topps cards) is just ridiculous, IMHO! Hall of Fame is a different story, of course...rules is rules, I reckon.

Well I hope for his sake he gets in to the HOF. Everytime I am in Vegas he is doing autograph sessions at either Caesars or like 20 minutes ago when I waved at him at Mandalay Bay. He was by himself and did not look happy at all.

Rose spoke Wednesday with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann on ESPN Radio to discuss the new Pete Rose exhibit that will be on display at the Great American Ballpark as part of the Reds Hall of Fame. The exhibit will be on display for 11 months.

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.

Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night.

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team," Rose said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

Exactly. Something stupid that he did as a coach should not erase his records as a player. The fact that the hall of fame will never touch him and his caricature of a public image is punishment enough.

That said, his records are legit and should be recognized. I don't have an issue with him being in the HOF posthumously. While he's alive, however, he should be banned from official MLB activities IMHO.

"Still Rose never bet against his own team and he always gave it all he had. And we have his word on that.... "

Pete was such a hero to me growing up. But the guy simply can't stop lying.

Don't forget he AGREED to the lifetime ban. He signed the papers with Giamatti.

First it was I never bet on baseball, then it was I bet on the Reds to win most of the time (except when he knew a starting pitcher wasn't up to snuff), then it was I bet on the Reds to win every game (foolish strategy BTW).

I'm at the point where I truly don't believe anything he says.

I really would not be that surprised if he bet against the Reds on occasion, just to cover his substantial losses.

Anyone who knows a patholgical gambling addict knows that there is virtually nothing they won't do.

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MLB’s investigation linked Rose and his drug-dealing, bookmaking, baseball gambling, race-fixing, steroids using/dealing, amphetamine using/dealing, income-tax fraud friends, many whom lived in Rose’s houses and hotel rooms.
MLB released some of the investigation but much more was not disclosed as per Rose’s contract with MLB, which threatened to turn the investigation to the government. There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal.

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posted on 02/13/2013 11:40:23 PM PST
by namvolunteer
(Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)

MLB released some of the investigation but much more was not disclosed as per Roses contract with MLB, which threatened to turn the investigation to the government. There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal

And all of these undisclosed facts you know how???

There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal.

And also this fact, you know how???

Note: They said, was rumored, unnamed sources are not adequate answers, btw.

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Why thanks Captain Obvious!I've been stumbling around here for 14 years and didn't realize that.

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We? You got a mouse in your pocket? That may have been the crede when I first joined but this site has changed since then.........

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posted on 02/14/2013 2:05:55 PM PST
by Hot Tabasco
(Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)

They got Rose on much more evidence than "rumors". They had phone records from his home, and the clubhouse directly to these bookmakers.

They also had betting slips with his fingerprints on them.

It wasn't even arguable. Giamatti had him dead to rights.

Rose signed the ban. Apparently he must have assumed that Giamatti would keep his mouth shut, but said "Pete Rose bet on baseball".

That's when Pete started to lie.

And acted hurt and betrayed that Giamatti said this publicly.

And as has been said above, Rose was a true hero on the field, and those records will stand. But for those who say, "Well, he gambled as a manager. Doesn't negate his on-field acheivements." Don't forget that Rose was a PLAYER-manager at the end of his career.

Pete was known as a heavy gambler long before that. In his biographies from the 70s he even talks at length about how being a pro athlete requires a certain level of adrenaline and he got that "high" off the field by betting on horses, or football, or what have you. In one particular biography he even brags how "good" he was at playing the ponies. He's extremely knowledgeable at handicapping.

I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't betting on baseball while still a player (or player-manager), but all of a sudden just "happened" to start when he became a manager full-time.

Sorry to be Debby Downer, but the man is essentially dead to me. Not the hero I loved so much as a kid.

Had read that the reason Mantle's knees gave out was that he never would do pregame warm ups or couldn't do them.He would just go out there and hit the hell out of the ball.Idolized him and Yogi Berra way back in the day.Falstaff Game of the Week with Dizzy Dean, LOL.

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