Now we get this from Mother Jones. Nick Baumann interviews Bryce Tierney, a friend of Jared's who recalls the alleged shooter's first encounter with Giffords, in 2007 -- and then explains why Jared might have listed Mein Kampf as a "favorite book":

Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people's buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler's Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page (Loughner's mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.)

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- An analysis of Internet musings by Jared Lee Loughner dismisses speculation that he may have targeted U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords because she is Jewish.

"In the end, the writings so far revealed seem to indicate no particular leanings about race, and it is difficult to come away from the postings with such a conclusion," according to the analysis published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League.

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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

an we keep this "it's the Joooos" crap in off-topic? We already have enough to scroll through in GD as it is.

"It's the Progressives" "It's the commies" and "It's the leftists" plague these fourms, and nobody bitches (but me of course). But if someone mentions Jooo, then it becomes "off-topic"?

Why are you buying into ADL of B'nai B'rith's false paradigm?

Texe Marrs made an objective observation that Giffords is Jewish and the shooter's mom is Jewish, and the shooter like ANYTHING that would "push people's buttons" hence the Mein kampf claim on the Youtube channel.

You are willingly participating in a ADL talking point of self-censoring baloney. Stop it.

"It's the Progressives" "It's the commies" and "It's the leftists" plague these fourms, and nobody bitches (but me of course). But if someone mentions Jooo, then it becomes "off-topic"?

Why are you buying into ADL of B'nai B'rith's false paradigm?

Texe Marrs made an objective observation that Giffords is Jewish and the shooter's mom is Jewish, and the shooter like ANYTHING that would "push people's buttons" hence the Mein kampf claim on the Youtube channel.

You are willingly participating in a ADL talking point of self-censoring baloney. Stop it.

I agree. What's wrong with knowing what ethnicity someone is or what religion he or she practices? If the shooter had been an Iranian Muslim, that would have been all over the mainstream media.

"It's the Progressives" "It's the commies" and "It's the leftists" plague these fourms, and nobody bitches (but me of course). But if someone mentions Jooo, then it becomes "off-topic"?

Why are you buying into ADL of B'nai B'rith's false paradigm?

Texe Marrs made an objective observation that Giffords is Jewish and the shooter's mom is Jewish, and the shooter like ANYTHING that would "push people's buttons" hence the Mein kampf claim on the Youtube channel.

You are willingly participating in a ADL talking point of self-censoring baloney. Stop it.

Unless being Jewish is linked to his motives, what does it matter? I'd say the same about the other alignments so don't play that game with me.

There's discussion of "Jewish" criminal groups like Israel, the ADL and AIPAC and there's idle speculation about this guy when we don't know enough yet.

No, but they actually serve a useful purpose (to identify him). You're welcome to carry on your discussion, I just don't see how this is relevant when we have a large thread already dedicated to the subject.

There's discussion of "Jewish" criminal groups like Israel, the ADL and AIPAC and there's idle speculation about this guy when we don't know enough yet.

You are playing the same guilt-by-association tactic that slimeball Potok of the SPLC is engaged in. STOP IT!

Just because a handful of WNs talk about joos, doesn't mean we should self-censor ourselves.

You are trying to pigeon hole objective research to fit a tiny mold.

If Giffords the victim is a Zionist Jew, I will report that. If Texe marrs points out that Loughner's mom is Jewish, then he is being objective. But you on the other hand, you want to be censored from facts because you have been sucessfully dog-trained Pavlovian style by the ADL/SPLC Rothschild Zionist mouthpieces. When you hear the word Joo, you want to put your head in the sand. Deprogram yourself, from that nonsense.

The "satanist temple" was a succoth tabernacle. There is some evidence he was involved (or his family was!) in occultism or Jewish occultism possibly. I have yet to see evidence of his direct participation in "Satanism" unless that is to be understood more broadly. I'm used to encountering the real thing.

I'm not sure I get the "Addams family" thing unless it refers to his "Uncle Fester".

As for synagogue on Saturday, what does that mean? Is there another day (actually "Friday night" in the gentile world) people go to synagogue? Is that a Judaism=Satanism thing?

ADL, SPLC, AIPAC know this was a false flag. Uncle Fester had one clip of 18 and he killed 6 and hit another 12. Even Equilibrium super agents do not have that skill. Again, the laws of physics are denied. There are reports of at least 2 other shooters, at least one that ran off, and a rifle found at the crime scens. All cell phones have mysteriously stopped working or were confiscated, and they executed the most constitutionally conscious (according to Sherriff Mack who would know) federal judge which still is not being reported. As if it never happened. So even the most ignorant "researcher" with low level access knows this was a false flag.

SPLC gets over $200 Million a year and has the highest level clearance outside of DARPA and Special Branch. They know it is a false flag, but their agenda is more funding and more power. It is not to protect the civil liberties of individuals, least of which the jews.

Uncle Fester has already been branded jewish by the MSM as a part of the 1,000 other things that he is being branded as to set up the asymmetric threat analysis grid where guilt by association is the defacto method of inflicting slavery, human experimentation, and euthenasia.

Since the MSM has branded him as jewish allowing this profiling in the IBM sense and response automated assassination grid to occur, and since SPLC, ADL, AIPAC know this is a false flag operation to bring about a new level of attacks on civil liberties...they have a responsibility to expose the false flag if they indeed have a mission to "stop another holocaust".

By them continuing to go along with the absurd idea that Uncle Fester is the only one to have anything to do with this coup d'etat on the judicial branch of government, they are assisting the elite in a future holocaust of jews as well as any other of the 1,000 characteristics this person might have (via 100 degrees of separation the way the MSM has been psyoping this SNAFU in the False Flag Industrial Complex).

So every person donating to these groups believing that you are saving America from the same fate as Nazi Germany...WAKE UP...these are the ones that will take your guns, pack your bags, and put you on the trains!

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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

Anti-Jewish Groups: ‘We Are Deeply Disturbed’ By Palin’s Use Of Fake Anti-Semitic Term ‘Blood Libel,’ We Rather She Apologize than Us Explaining Why We are Helping the Next Holocausthttp://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/12/palin-blood-libel/By Alex Seitz-Wald on Jan 12th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

On a day when the president and the nation are mourning the victims of the tragic shooting in Tucson, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) is trying to seize the spotlight to mourn her tarnished reputation. Palin apparently views herself among the real victims of the tragic shooting this weekend that killed six and wounded 14. This morning, Palin launched an aggressive Facebook and web-video campaign to counter what she deemed a “blood libel” against her by the media to connect her infamous cross-hairs map and other right-wing incendiary rhetoric to violence.

Of all the terms Palin could have used, from “defamation” to even “implicating me in murder,” why did Palin choose “blood libel”? As the conservative National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, who says he “agree[s ] entirely with…Palin’s, larger point,” notes, “Historically, the term is almost invariably used to describe anti-Semitic myths about how Jews use blood — usually from children — in their ritual.” Indeed, many Jews consider the term extremely offensive, and the Anti-Defamation League and other prominent Jewish organizations have spoken out against its use dozens of occasions in the past.

Indeed, Jewish groups are taking offense to Palin’s choice of the term. Noting that accusations of blood libel have been “directly responsible for the murder of so many Jews across centuries,” the National Jewish Democratic Council condemned Palin’s use of the term:

Instead of dialing down the rhetoric at this difficult moment, Sarah Palin chose to accuse others trying to sort out the meaning of this tragedy of somehow engaging in a “blood libel” against her and others. This is of course a particularly heinous term for American Jews, given that the repeated fiction of blood libels are directly responsible for the murder of so many Jews across centuries — and given that blood libels are so directly intertwined with deeply ingrained anti-Semitism around the globe, even today. [...]

All we had asked following this weekend’s tragedy was for prayers for the dead and wounded, and for all of us to take a step back and look inward to see how we can improve the tenor of our coarsening public debate. Sarah Palin’s invocation of a “blood libel” charge against her perceived enemies is hardly a step in the right direction.

Likewise, the president of the pro-Israel, pro-peace Jewish lobby J Street, Jeremy Ben-Ami, said he was “saddened by Governor Palin’s use of the term ‘blood libel,’” adding that he hopes “she will choose to retract her comment [and] apologize“:

The country’s attention is rightfully focused on the memorial service for the victims of Saturday’s shooting. Our prayers continue to be with those who are still fighting to recover and the families of the victims. The last thing the country needs now is for the rhetoric in the wake of this tragedy to return to where it was before.

We hope that Governor Palin will recognize, when it is brought to her attention, that the term “blood libel” brings back painful echoes of a very dark time in our communal history when Jews were falsely accused of committing heinous deeds. When Governor Palin learns that many Jews are pained by and take offense at the use of the term, we are sure that she will choose to retract her comment, apologize and make a less inflammatory choice of words.

Meanwhile, Simon Greer, the president of Jewish Funds for Justice, said he was “deeply disturbed” by Palin’s use of the term, arguing that she “failed to live up to her own standards” in a statement about using responsible rhetoric:

We are deeply disturbed by Fox News commentator Sarah Palin’s decision to characterize as a “blood libel” the criticism directed at her following the terrorist attack in Tucson. The term “blood libel” is not a synonym for “false accusation.” It refers to a specific falsehood perpetuated by Christians about Jews for centuries, a falsehood that motivated a good deal of anti-Jewish violence and discrimination. Unless someone has been accusing Ms. Palin of killing Christian babies and making matzoh from their blood, her use of the term is totally out-of-line. [...]

Ms. Palin clearly took some time to reflect before putting out her statement today. Despite that time, her primary conclusion was that she is the victim and Rep. Giffords is the perpetrator. As a powerful rhetorical advocate for personal responsibility, Ms. Palin has failed to live up to her own standards with this statement.

It’s worth noting that conservative Instapundit blogger Glenn Reynolds first injected the term into the post-shooting debate this week in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal titled, “The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel.” Meanwhile, right-wing media tycoon Andrew Breitbart warned “the gutless GOP establishment” yesterday that those “who watch[] in silence the blood libel against @SarahPalinUSA. We will remember.” But, because Palin is a far more high-profile figure and fashions herself as a national leader, she should choose her words far more carefully than incendiary pundits.

Moreover, the use of a term associated with real evils like genocide to defend oneself in the face of catty punditry shows a startling degree of narcissism — even for Palin. As ThinkProgress’ Matt Yglesias jokes, “Indeed, Jews throughout America can join me in remembering when our ancestors fled Eastern Europe in order to live in a land where nobody would ever criticize us on television.”

NEW YORK – Simon Greer, president of Jewish Funds for Justice, released the following statement in response to Sarah Palin “blood libel” comment:

We are deeply disturbed by Fox News commentator Sarah Palin’s decision to characterize as a “blood libel” the criticism directed at her following the terrorist attack in Tucson. The term “blood libel” is not a synonym for “false accusation.” It refers to a specific falsehood perpetuated by Christians about Jews for centuries, a falsehood that motivated a good deal of anti-Jewish violence and discrimination. Unless someone has been accusing Ms. Palin of killing Christian babies and making matzoh from their blood, her use of the term is totally out-of-line.

In the past two months, Ms. Palin and Glenn Beck, the most well-known media personalities on Fox News, have abused two of the most tragic episode in the history of the Jewish people: the Holocaust and the blood libel. In addition, Roger Ailes, the head of the Fox News channel, referred to the executives at NPR as “Nazis.” Perhaps the popular news channel has such an ingrained victim mentality that it identifies with one of the most persecuted minorities in human history. But the Jewish community does not appreciate their identification, which only serves to denigrate the very real pain so many Jews have suffered because of anti-Semitic violence. It is clear that Fox News has a Jewish problem.

Sarah Palin did not shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Only the perpetrator can be found guilty for this act of terrorism. But it is worth pointing out that it was Rep. Giffords herself who first objected to Ms. Palin’s map showing her district in the crosshairs. “We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the thing is, the way she has it depicted, it has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that they have to realize that there are consequences to that action.” According to Ms. Palin’s logic, Rep. Giffords statement was a blood libel against the Fox News host. The fact that Rep. Giffords is Jewish and Ms. Palin is Christian makes the accusation even more grotesque.

Ms. Palin clearly took some time to reflect before putting out her statement today. Despite that time, her primary conclusion was that she is the victim and Rep. Giffords is the perpetrator. As a powerful rhetorical advocate for personal responsibility, Ms. Palin has failed to live up to her own standards with this statement.

WASHINTON, DC- The National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) today condemned Sarah Palin’s charged “blood libel” accusation, released early Wednesday by video. NJDC President and CEO David A. Harris said upon hearing Palin’s statement:

Following this weekend’s tragedy, we—and many others—simply did two things: we prayed for our friend Gabby while keeping all of the murdered and wounded in our thoughts and prayers, and we talked in broad terms about our increasingly charged level of political debate—asserting that now is as good a time as any to look inward and assess how all of us need to dial back the level of vitriol and anger in our public square. Nobody can disagree with the need for both.

Instead of dialing down the rhetoric at this difficult moment, Sarah Palin chose to accuse others trying to sort out the meaning of this tragedy of somehow engaging in a “blood libel” against her and others. This is of course a particularly heinous term for American Jews, given that the repeated fiction of blood libels are directly responsible for the murder of so many Jews across centuries—and given that blood libels are so directly intertwined with deeply ingrained anti-Semitism around the globe, even today.

Perhaps Sarah Palin honestly does not know what a blood libel is, or does not know of their horrific history; that is perhaps the most charitable explanation we can arrive at in explaining her rhetoric today.

All we had asked following this weekend’s tragedy was for prayers for the dead and wounded, and for all of us to take a step back and look inward to see how we can improve the tenor of our coarsening public debate. Sarah Palin’s invocation of a “blood libel” charge against her perceived enemies is hardly a step in the right direction.

J Street President Jeremy Ben-Ami released the following statement in response to Sarah Palin’s use of the term “blood libel” in her comments on the tragedy in Tucson:

J Street is saddened by Governor Palin’s use of the term “blood libel.”

The country’s attention is rightfully focused on the memorial service for the victims of Saturday’s shooting. Our prayers continue to be with those who are still fighting to recover and the families of the victims. The last thing the country needs now is for the rhetoric in the wake of this tragedy to return to where it was before.

We hope that Governor Palin will recognize, when it is brought to her attention, that the term “blood libel” brings back painful echoes of a very dark time in our communal history when Jews were falsely accused of committing heinous deeds. When Governor Palin learns that many Jews are pained by and take offense at the use of the term, we are sure that she will choose to retract her comment, apologize and make a less inflammatory choice of words.

UpdateIn a statement, the ADL writes, "we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase 'blood-libel.'" However, the group also defends Palin against the "inappropriate" attempt to "blame" her for the shooting: It was inappropriate at the outset to blame Sarah Palin and others for causing this tragedy or for being an accessory to murder. Palin has every right to defend herself against these kinds of attacks, and we agree with her that the best tradition in America is one of finding common ground despite our differences. Still, we wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase “blood-libel” in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others. While the term “blood-libel” has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one so fraught with pain in Jewish history.

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"It's the Progressives" "It's the commies" and "It's the leftists" plague these fourms, and nobody bitches (but me of course). But if someone mentions Jooo, then it becomes "off-topic"?

Why are you buying into ADL of B'nai B'rith's false paradigm?

Texe Marrs made an objective observation that Giffords is Jewish and the shooter's mom is Jewish, and the shooter like ANYTHING that would "push people's buttons" hence the Mein kampf claim on the Youtube channel.

You are willingly participating in a ADL talking point of self-censoring baloney. Stop it.

"It's the anti-semites" is also a federal tactic used to discredit truth

Same with "It's the Arabs", "It's the Chinese", "It's the Christians", "It's the unemployed", "It's the ..."

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When Sarah Palin shot back at critics who proposed that her severe -- and perhaps violence-suggesting -- rhetoric and campaigning helped inspire Jared Lee Loughner's massacre in Tuscon, she accused those critics of blood libel -- and started an entirely new firestorm in the process.

Palin's invoking of blood libel, which in its proper use refers to a centuries old lie that was used to justify mass anti-semitism and Jewish persecution, immediately drew angry responses from politicians and Jewish groups, but also brings back to the forefront her own religious affiliation -- and its not infrequent brushes with anti-semitism.

Palin, who makes no secret of her devout Christian evangelism, is a member of Wasilla Bible Church, which subscribes to the Pentecostal Assembly of God. It is a small community church, but one that has been the host to a number of controversial speakers -- with Palin both in the audience and openly participating.

But it starts earlier than that. Palin is a member of a spiritual network maintained by Mary Glazier, a member of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders. A council of 500 "apostles," with each leader heading up its own network - like the one Palin is in - they seek to use "spiritual warfare" to retake the nation - and world - from the sinners they claim are currently running it.

When Sarah Palin shot back at critics who proposed that her severe -- and perhaps violence-suggesting -- rhetoric and campaigning helped inspire Jared Lee Loughner's massacre in Tuscon, she accused those critics of blood libel -- and started an entirely new firestorm in the process.

Palin's invoking of blood libel, which in its proper use refers to a centuries old lie that was used to justify mass anti-semitism and Jewish persecution, immediately drew angry responses from politicians and Jewish groups, but also brings back to the forefront her own religious affiliation -- and its not infrequent brushes with anti-semitism.

Palin, who makes no secret of her devout Christian evangelism, is a member of Wasilla Bible Church, which subscribes to the Pentecostal Assembly of God. It is a small community church, but one that has been the host to a number of controversial speakers -- with Palin both in the audience and openly participating.

But it starts earlier than that. Palin is a member of a spiritual network maintained by Mary Glazier, a member of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders. A council of 500 "apostles," with each leader heading up its own network - like the one Palin is in - they seek to use "spiritual warfare" to retake the nation - and world - from the sinners they claim are currently running it.

These holocaust deniers who continue to attack those exposing Halliburton/GE building American concentration camps, beg the CFR to engage in more oppresive anti-government subversive activity, and promote ANSER Institute on Homeland Holocaust Initiatives do not want anyone to know how Hitler got his power.

IT WAS WITH A FALSE FLAG OPERATIONJUST LIKE THE SAFEWAY MASSACREADL/SPLC/AIPAC ARE HOLOCAUST DENIERS!

pssst....pass on this incontrovertible fact...Safeway Massacre Patsy chosen the same way Hitler's SA chose the Reichstag Patsy

It took 75 years, but the Reichstag Fire patsy, Marinus van der Lubbe, has been exonerated of his "crime". The Guardian covered the news on January 12, 2008, and the New York Times mentions it today, 7 paragraphs into this article.

The innocence of van der Lubbe has been common knowledge to some for decades, and the truth of his "crime" was popularized by William Shirer in his classic book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" back in 1960;

"That it was a crime, a Communist crime, they proclaimed at once on arrival at the fire. Goering, sweating and puffing and quite beside himself with excitement, was already there ahead of them (Hitler, President von Hindenburg, etc.) declaiming to heaven, as Papen later recalled, that "this is a Communist crime against the new government." To the new Gestapo chief, Rudolf Diels, Goering shouted, "This is the beginning of the Communist revolution! We must not wait a minute. We will show no mercy. Every Communist official must be shot, where he is found. Every Communist deputy must this very night be strung up."

The whole truth about the Reichstag fire will probably never be known. Nearly all those who knew it are now dead, most of them slain by Hitler in the months that followed. Even at Nuremburg the mystery could not be entirely unraveled, though there is enough evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the Nazis who planned the arson and carried it out for their own political ends.

From Goering's Reichstag President's Palace an underground passage, built to carry the central heating system, ran to the Reichstag building. Through this tunnel Karl Ernst, a former hotel bellhop who had become the Berlin S.A. leader, led a small detachment of storm troopers on the night of February 27 to the Reichstag, where they scattered gasoline and self-igniting chemicals and then made their way quickly back to the palace the way they had come. At the same time a half-witted Dutch Communist with a passion for arson, Marinus van der Lubbe, had made his way into the huge, darkened and to him unfamiliar building and set some small fires of his own. This feeble-minded pyromaniac was a godsend to the Nazis.

He had been picked up by the S.A. a few days before after having been overheard in a bar boasting that he had attempted to set fire to several buildings and that he was going to try the Reichstag next.

The coincidence that the Nazis had found a demented Communist arsonist who was out to to do exactly what they themselves had determined to do seems incredible but is nevertheless supported by the evidence. The idea for the fire almost certainly originated with Goebbels and Goering. Hans Gisevius, an official in the Prussian Ministry of the Interior at the time, testified at Nuremburg that "it was Goebbels who first thought of setting the Reichstag on fire," and Rudolf Diels, the Gestapo chief, added in an affadavit that "Goering knew exactly how the fire was to be started" and had ordered him to prepare, prior to the fire, a list of people who were to be arrested immediately after it."

- William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, pp. 192-193

Will we have to wait this long for Oswald to be cleared? How about the 9/11 nineteen?

75 years is too long.

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Texe is wrong, Loughner's mom is apparently not Jewish, and the rabbi of the synagogue that they supposedly all belong to, alleges to have no recollection of the Loughner family attending their congregation.

Unfortunately, this bit of info was passed along by lots of bloggers who thought that the media was hiding something substancial. I maintain that if Loughner was Jewish, it would only be important because it would have given more insight to the nature of the crime, not because of any prejudice towards race and/or ethnicity.

That being said, let's cut the bullshit about Sarah Palin and her brushes with anti-semitism.

She's famous for one reason and one reason only: she was "selected," just like Obama, and she's nothing but a contrived creation by some very powerful you-know-who's who allegedly don't run the media and the American government.

Korn is the founder of a new group called Jewish Americans for Sarah Palin, and his efforts are part of some recent Jewish support that has been trickling in the direction of the hockey mom from Wasilla. Even though American Jews have repeatedly disapproved of her in large numbers in poll after poll, giving her abysmally low approval ratings, her recent high-profile jabs at the president have earned her support from some of the most prominent Jewish conservatives today.

Not only does she continue to receive the hearty backing of William Kristol, editor and publisher of The Weekly Standard and contributor to Fox News, but at the end of March, Norman Podhoretz, former editor of Commentary and godfather of the neoconservative movement, took to the op-ed page of The Wall Street Journal to offer a “defense of Sarah Palin.” He compared the ridicule that has greeted her arrival on the national scene to the laughter at Ronald Reagan’s expense when Reagan became the Republican presidential nominee. Podhoretz’s argument boiled down to this: “What she does know — and in this respect, she does resemble Reagan — is that the United States has been a force for good in the world, which is more than Barack Obama, whose IQ is no doubt higher than hers, has yet to learn.”

Podhoretz closed by dramatically proclaiming that he would “rather have Sarah Palin sitting in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.”

But these are neoconservative intellectuals, most of whom — as an article in the January issue of Commentary by Jennifer Rubin illustrated — are spending their time trying to figure out why Palin “rubs Jews the wrong way.” Is there anyone in the American Jewish community at large willing to wear a Palin 2012 button? Korn thinks there is, and it’s this demand he’s hoping to fulfill.

Texe is wrong, Loughner's mom is apparently not Jewish, and the rabbi of the synagogue that they supposedly all belong to, alleges to have no recollection of the Loughner family attending their congregation.

Unfortunately, this bit of info was passed along by lots of bloggers who thought that the media was hiding something substancial. I maintain that if Loughner was Jewish, it would only be important because it would have given more insight to the nature of the crime, not because of any prejudice towards race and/or ethnicity.

This was not passed along by a lot of bloggers who thought the media was hiding something.

This was published by "MOTHER JONES" publishing corporation in the following article:

They interviewed the supposed life long friend who declared his mother was Jewish and who also declared a bunch of other insane shit.

So if the supposed intelligence about who this guy is and what makes him tick lied about one thing, then is he lying about everything?

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Mother Jones was the source, but the information wasn't confirmed by those who decided to pass it along. It was essentially hearsay. I can't believe we're not agreeing on this point, WTF?!?

What we are not agreeing on is that this was not some "bloogers issue" which can be controlled by draconian and anti-constitutional legislation as is being planned. Mother Jones was the source quoting the lifelong friend in an exclusive interview. The planned legislation has been provoked (intentionally or not) by false reporting by an establishment media source. This is important.

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

It wasn't a "revelation", it was context, in light of the "blood libel" contrived controversy.

You know what...you are right. It is moved back.

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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

Yep, that's nice, but I'm trolling for "reliable sources" as Wikipedia defines them, because that's the only thing they'll accept - especially on a hot event like this one.

larouche is used as reference for many wiki articles

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Right, but that doesn't make it a Reliable Source. Searching for larouchepac.com site:en.wikipedia.org, I found that larouchepac.com was cited as a source for information about Larouche PAC; I also found a copy of an article hosted on larouchepac.com, cited on Wikipedia - in that instance, larouchepac.com isn't the source, it is just hosting a "reliable copy" of the source.

I found a few larouchepac.com stories cited in articles about African nations or landmarks - material that is very unlikely to be challenged because so few people in Wikipedia's audience care about the topics. That's the issue - is it likely to be challenged - and in this case, yes it is.

I might be able to use the Larouchepac.com article as a source for a "Jared Lee Loughner conspiracy theories" article- maybe. I might also be able to put it under related "conspiracy theory" articles. I was hoping for something I could put into the main article.

Right, but that doesn't make it a Reliable Source. Searching for larouchepac.com site:en.wikipedia.org, I found that larouchepac.com was cited as a source for information about Larouche PAC; I also found a copy of an article hosted on larouchepac.com, cited on Wikipedia - in that instance, larouchepac.com isn't the source, it is just hosting a "reliable copy" of the source.

I found a few larouchepac.com stories cited in articles about African nations or landmarks - material that is very unlikely to be challenged because so few people in Wikipedia's audience care about the topics. That's the issue - is it likely to be challenged - and in this case, yes it is.

I might be able to use the Larouchepac.com article as a source for a "Jared Lee Loughner conspiracy theories" article- maybe. I might also be able to put it under related "conspiracy theory" articles. I was hoping for something I could put into the main article.

understood, i will keep looking

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Fast and Furious connection brought up by AJ and Wayne Madsen on nightly news

Judge Roll and Con. Giffords were targeted

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