As many of you remember, I bought an iPhoneX last year to replace my old iPhone7Plus. I have been disappointed in the size of this phone, as compared to the older, more robust ("bigger") PLUS phone. It's hard t read with the X but I had no trouble doing so on my 7Plus.

OK, so I'm willing to suck it up and pay the juice for a new iPhoneXSMAX. How will the size compare to the iPhone 7PLUS? And when can I get it?

Edit: I guess these should be called "Excess Plus" or "Tennis Plus" phones

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$1100 for the cheapest iPhone Xs Max at 64 gigabytes of storage. It looks to be negligibly larger in form than a "Plus" model.

I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

How can they keep raising prices? Easy...supply and demand. OK, so I'll end up spending $1600 for a maxed out Max with AppleCare and tax, etc. As Warren Buffett recently mentioned, it provides more value than a private jet. That $1600 will be one of the highest value expenses I'll make this year. And you may not realize it, but thank you for answering my unstated question, which was "will the iPhoneXMax be TOO big?". Similar to the old PLUS is exactly what I want.

$1100 for the cheapest iPhone Xs Max at 64 gigabytes of storage. It looks to be negligibly larger in form than a "Plus" model.

I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

How can they keep raising prices? Easy...supply and demand. OK, so I'll end up spending $1600 for a maxed out Max with AppleCare and tax, etc. As Warren Buffett recently mentioned, it provides more value than a private jet. That $1600 will be one of the highest value expenses I'll make this year. And you may not realize it, but thank you for answering my unstated question, which was "will the iPhoneXMax be TOO big?". Similar to the old PLUS is exactly what I want.

You have to admit the dual camera is neat. I have a 7plus and won’t buy new for about 5 years.

$1100 for the cheapest iPhone Xs Max at 64 gigabytes of storage. It looks to be negligibly larger in form than a "Plus" model.

I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

How can they keep raising prices? Easy...supply and demand. OK, so I'll end up spending $1600 for a maxed out Max with AppleCare and tax, etc. As Warren Buffett recently mentioned, it provides more value than a private jet. That $1600 will be one of the highest value expenses I'll make this year. And you may not realize it, but thank you for answering my unstated question, which was "will the iPhoneXMax be TOO big?". Similar to the old PLUS is exactly what I want.

Ok, but there's a just as useful but not as flashy iPhone Xr for $749. I guess some people find value in a gold plated private jet.

The Xr also has a bigger display than an iPhone Plus in a smaller form factor. It's got the same internals but an upgraded LCD screen (vs OLED) and one camera lens (vs 2). I work in an average white collar office, middle class job, and I am a tech "go to guy" On my floor of 45 people there is *one* iPhone X user and she got hers on sale recently.

Did they announce how much trade in value you will get to upgrade. I got the IPhone 8 Plus and was given a $650 trade in credit for my IPhone 6, If I can get something similar, I would think of upgrading to the Max middle storage phone.

I think it will compare favorably to the Plus (7 or 8), and you'll like it more than the X. The size should be roughly similar (slightly smaller), and of course the screen will be beautiful. Enjoy it when you get it in two weeks!

{I feel sorry for the X. You already can't buy it on Apple's website, as the Compare section says "available at select resellers" like it's a disgraced step-sibling or something. Perhaps it'll be available in the refurb section of the website soon...}

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I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

So you are saying the price is excessive to the max

They will charge what the market can bear. People were happy to shell out $1,000+ for the iphoneX. If people are willing to pay for a fancier phone, they'd be remiss not to give them what they want. They sell the iPhone 7 now for $450 if you don't need or want the latest greatest. If you are a cheapskate, you just get a $50 android phone anyways.

Personally, I use my iphone more than any single physical object in my life. I'm willing to pay a bit more for something really nice. That said, I do an every other year upgrade. This year is not my year.

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Actually, I WILL sell it for what the market will bear. I am guessing that this will be about $500, but I'm not sure.

I know. It was "in jest". It will sell for more than $500. But, there is always some downward pressure once the new models are released and people want out of their current phones. The iPhones never seems to drop too far though. Which I guess is good if you are selling used. Not so good if you are buying used.

"A Stoic believes they don’t control the world around them, only how they respond--and that they must always respond with courage, temperance, wisdom, and justice." --Daily Stoic

No. Just, no. There is no conceivable feature Apple could add on top of the basic required functionality that would justify this price.

I'll keep my $200 32Gb iPhone SE. It still works just fine.

I love the size of my SE, but it has been losing a few steps here and there. I'm guessing I'll need to upgrade in a year or so, but I'm not sure what to. Guessing it won't be to the XS Max.

I have the 6s and the SE has the same processor. There is nothing I can't do with my 6s that I would need an upgrade. If I had better eyes, the SE for $150 would be the way to go. I guess some people always need the newest model, maybe it makes them feel important or superior to those who choose not to waste their money.

I have the 6s and the SE has the same processor. There is nothing I can't do with my 6s that I would need an upgrade. If I had better eyes, the SE for $150 would be the way to go. I guess some people always need the newest model, maybe it makes them feel important or superior to those who choose not to waste their money.

When I went from the 4s to SE I said to myself "I didn't think there would be much difference, but the SE is much, much faster with a better battery life".

When I went from the SE to a regular size 8 I said to myself "I didn't think there would be much difference, but the 8 is much, much faster with much better battery life."

The incremental changes in core speed and enhanced components do add up. It is very noticeable, but still may not be "worth" the upgrade. I would like to find someone selling an X that just has to have one of the new Xr,s,max.

"A Stoic believes they don’t control the world around them, only how they respond--and that they must always respond with courage, temperance, wisdom, and justice." --Daily Stoic

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

No. Just, no. There is no conceivable feature Apple could add on top of the basic required functionality that would justify this price.

I'll keep my $200 32Gb iPhone SE. It still works just fine.

I love the size of my SE, but it has been losing a few steps here and there. I'm guessing I'll need to upgrade in a year or so, but I'm not sure what to. Guessing it won't be to the XS Max.

I have the 6s and the SE has the same processor. There is nothing I can't do with my 6s that I would need an upgrade. If I had better eyes, the SE for $150 would be the way to go. I guess some people always need the newest model, maybe it makes them feel important or superior to those who choose not to waste their money.

Of course you don’t need latest and greatest but the 6s is now 4 generations old.

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

It's an interesting phenomenon that smart phones continue to increase in price. Nearly every technology, as it matures, gets cheaper.

PCs, VCRs, TVs, etc. Over time, they went from outrageously expensive to affordable. Smart phones are moving in the opposite direction. When our iPhone 7s are past useful life I don't know what we'll do this time around.

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

I think for quite a few, their phones are becoming their "computers". That's why there are ever larger screen sizes being released.

I should say that the iPhone 8 I bought was effectively $550. It was $748 with tax and $200 rebate.

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This may sound like an odd question. Why not consider an (new) older model? 6s+ is $550 / $650 from the carrier. 7+ $670 / $770.
I've always been a fan of the latest tech but can't justify upgrading from my 3 year old 64gb 6s plus. It does everything, has a great camera, operates like new and is big, good battery life, etc.

By the way you should be able to get at least $650 for your X based on the secondary market websites

No. Just, no. There is no conceivable feature Apple could add on top of the basic required functionality that would justify this price.

I'll keep my $200 32Gb iPhone SE. It still works just fine.

I love the size of my SE, but it has been losing a few steps here and there. I'm guessing I'll need to upgrade in a year or so, but I'm not sure what to. Guessing it won't be to the XS Max.

I have the 6s and the SE has the same processor. There is nothing I can't do with my 6s that I would need an upgrade. If I had better eyes, the SE for $150 would be the way to go. I guess some people always need the newest model, maybe it makes them feel important or superior to those who choose not to waste their money.

Of course you don’t need latest and greatest but the 6s is now 4 generations old.

so what? I press on an app and it opens right up, no lag. I just don't understand how anything maybe being a tad bit faster justifies having to upgrade. We are talking fractions of seconds here maybe.

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

It's an interesting phenomenon that smart phones continue to increase in price. Nearly every technology, as it matures, gets cheaper.

Smartphones have gotten drastically cheaper. It's just that Apple chooses to compete only in the high-end of the market. You can get a very functional android smartphone for just $50- full retail. Those $50 phones are on-par with a 5-6 year old phone that would have cost ~$800 when new. Also, it used to be that smartphone prices had carrier subsidies attached. The phone would be advertised as "$399", but it was really about $800 with a $400 carrier subsidy that was baked into the service cost.

My two-year old 8 Plus (I think, whatever was introduced two years ago) is due for an upgrade, largely due to the poor battery life. I have to recharge multiple times throughout the day. I'm definitely a heavy user for work, but don't watch movies or anything on it. Under the "battery health" in settings I'm down to 84%, which doesn't seem good for a device that isn't even two years old. I'll likely trade in for the new Max in a few months.

My two-year old 8 Plus (I think, whatever was introduced two years ago) is due for an upgrade, largely due to the poor battery life. I have to recharge multiple times throughout the day. I'm definitely a heavy user for work, but don't watch movies or anything on it. Under the "battery health" in settings I'm down to 84%, which doesn't seem good for a device that isn't even two years old. I'll likely trade in for the new Max in a few months.

$1100 for the cheapest iPhone Xs Max at 64 gigabytes of storage. It looks to be negligibly larger in form than a "Plus" model.

I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

How can they keep raising prices? Easy...supply and demand. OK, so I'll end up spending $1600 for a maxed out Max with AppleCare and tax, etc. As Warren Buffett recently mentioned, it provides more value than a private jet.

And an iPhone 7 provides nearly the same functionality (sure no face ID and camera isn't as good) for $449. It does all of the types of things Warren Buffet was referring to that make a phone more powerful than a private jet.

I have an iPhone 7 and it runs incredibly well with iOS 12 (beta version...assuming the final release will be the same or better)

No. Just, no. There is no conceivable feature Apple could add on top of the basic required functionality that would justify this price.

I'll keep my $200 32Gb iPhone SE. It still works just fine.

I love the size of my SE, but it has been losing a few steps here and there. I'm guessing I'll need to upgrade in a year or so, but I'm not sure what to. Guessing it won't be to the XS Max.

I have the 6s and the SE has the same processor. There is nothing I can't do with my 6s that I would need an upgrade. If I had better eyes, the SE for $150 would be the way to go. I guess some people always need the newest model, maybe it makes them feel important or superior to those who choose not to waste their money.

Of course you don’t need latest and greatest but the 6s is now 4 generations old.

so what? I press on an app and it opens right up, no lag. I just don't understand how anything maybe being a tad bit faster justifies having to upgrade. We are talking fractions of seconds here maybe.

I love using my wife's 7 vs my SE. Personally, the 2nd generation touch ID is ridiculously good vs the SE's first generation. The camera takes better pics of our kids, and the processor absolutely feels faster. You're adding fractions of a second over hundreds of clicks per day. I've also noticed certain apps (Mint, NHL, FitBit, Pandora, Puniverse, and a few lesser known ones) open probably 1 to 2 seconds (or more) faster on her phone vs my SE.

I'm gonna snap up a 64gb 8 here soon. I'm just waiting to see if Apple releases any refurbished 8s for even cheaper, as they did with the 7 soon after last year's keynote.

"Knowledge and innocence are both excellent things, and they are both very funny. But it is right that knowledge should be the servant and innocence the master." - GK Chesterton

I went from the 6S + to the 8P earlier this year. Skipped over the 7 series - just didn't see the need and couldn't justify the cost spread over such a short period of time. The 8 does everything I need it to and I can't see upgrading anytime soon - and I spend a LOT more time on my iPhone texting/emailing/calls (calls are the least used unfortunately). Texts are how many of my clients & sales reps communicate and they receive instant responses. It doesn't take the latest greatest technology to accomplish the above.

That said (and in reference to the IT posters comments above), my office has about 60 folks. 50/50 sales/operations staff and mainly 20-40 somethings. I would guess that 30% of our office has the "X", 30% has the latest Galaxy and 40% has "something else" (like my 8).

My two-year old 8 Plus (I think, whatever was introduced two years ago) is due for an upgrade, largely due to the poor battery life. I have to recharge multiple times throughout the day. I'm definitely a heavy user for work, but don't watch movies or anything on it. Under the "battery health" in settings I'm down to 84%, which doesn't seem good for a device that isn't even two years old. I'll likely trade in for the new Max in a few months.

My two-year old 8 Plus (I think, whatever was introduced two years ago) is due for an upgrade, largely due to the poor battery life. I have to recharge multiple times throughout the day. I'm definitely a heavy user for work, but don't watch movies or anything on it. Under the "battery health" in settings I'm down to 84%, which doesn't seem good for a device that isn't even two years old. I'll likely trade in for the new Max in a few months.

why not just get a new battery?

I might consider it, but given my how much I use my phone and how I can likely trade this one in for at least 1/2 the price of the new one, it's probably worth it to me. As someone noted above, my phone is easily the device I use the most often throughout the day/week, far more than my car or any other device.

My two-year old 8 Plus (I think, whatever was introduced two years ago) is due for an upgrade, largely due to the poor battery life. I have to recharge multiple times throughout the day. I'm definitely a heavy user for work, but don't watch movies or anything on it. Under the "battery health" in settings I'm down to 84%, which doesn't seem good for a device that isn't even two years old. I'll likely trade in for the new Max in a few months.

why not just get a new battery?

I might consider it, but given my how much I use my phone and how I can likely trade this one in for at least 1/2 the price of the new one, it's probably worth it to me. As someone noted above, my phone is easily the device I use the most often throughout the day/week, far more than my car or any other device.

Honest question: more than your computer (desktop/laptop)? Trust me, I'd be looking for every reason to upgrade to the newer phones if I could afford it.

(I also think you have a 7+, not an 8+, since the 8+ is only a little over a year old.)

"Knowledge and innocence are both excellent things, and they are both very funny. But it is right that knowledge should be the servant and innocence the master." - GK Chesterton

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

I think for quite a few, their phones are becoming their "computers". That's why there are ever larger screen sizes being released.

I should say that the iPhone 8 I bought was effectively $550. It was $748 with tax and $200 rebate.

Yeah I guess put me in the camp that's not shocked by the price. It's basically a miniaturized computer with a fancy OLED screen, AND a pretty high end camera. For the longest time, "computer" choices were desktop vs. laptop, and the laptop of comparable power to the desktop was always more expensive due to miniaturization.

Anyway, if you really consider everything it can do, it's not all that shocking.

apple really does seem to have most in the palms of their hands..tricking people they need an upgrade every other year. People justifying upgrades for no apparent reason.

If I have my phone and my wallet I can go anywhere or do anything. I use my bike more than my car. I have a nice bike. I use my phone more than my bike. Might as well have a nice phone. I usually stay 1-2 versions back from the tip.

"A Stoic believes they don’t control the world around them, only how they respond--and that they must always respond with courage, temperance, wisdom, and justice." --Daily Stoic

$1100 for the cheapest iPhone Xs Max at 64 gigabytes of storage. It looks to be negligibly larger in form than a "Plus" model.

I do not understand how Apple can continue to raise prices like this, and I'm a huge Apple fan going on 20 years. You can pre order 9/14 and release date is 9/21.

How can they keep raising prices? Easy...supply and demand. OK, so I'll end up spending $1600 for a maxed out Max with AppleCare and tax, etc. As Warren Buffett recently mentioned, it provides more value than a private jet.

And an iPhone 7 provides nearly the same functionality (sure no face ID and camera isn't as good) for $449. It does all of the types of things Warren Buffet was referring to that make a phone more powerful than a private jet.

I have an iPhone 7 and it runs incredibly well with iOS 12 (beta version...assuming the final release will be the same or better)

my IPhone 7s is working incredibly well. At 449 I think it is a great product.

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

I think for quite a few, their phones are becoming their "computers". That's why there are ever larger screen sizes being released.

I should say that the iPhone 8 I bought was effectively $550. It was $748 with tax and $200 rebate.

Most electronics get cheaper over time: Cameras, TV's, Computers, etc. Apple is trying to reinvent the wheel and most people don't need these features (AR and Facial Recognition/Animojis). Same with cars to some degree with the overkill safety and tech features. I want quality and aesthetics but most people don't need unnecessary experimental features or an A12 Bionic Chip to check their email. I find it comical.

Noted. Note 9 still beats iPhone X max hands down. Apple as usual continue to play catch up and charge exorbitant amount for a crappy device to the mass. Don't worry the next software update brings your iPhone to plan obsolescence (gimping the processor as the battery die a slow death). End of discussion.

They're the most valuable company on the planet for a reason! $1100 for a smart phone is just ludicrous for a lot of people. That's MacBook territory. I'm interested to see if the "cheapo" version (iPhone Xr: $750) sells better. Lots of consumer psychology in how to choose.

I think for quite a few, their phones are becoming their "computers". That's why there are ever larger screen sizes being released.

I should say that the iPhone 8 I bought was effectively $550. It was $748 with tax and $200 rebate.

Most electronics get cheaper over time: Cameras, TV's, Computers, etc. Apple is trying to reinvent the wheel and most people don't need these features (AR and Facial Recognition/Animojis). Same with cars to some degree with the overkill safety and tech features. I want quality and aesthetics but most people don't need unnecessary experimental features or an A12 Bionic Chip to check their email. I find it comical.

I'd certainly agree with this. If you're not a "power user", (e.g. just checking email, reading the internet, use 4-5 apps, facebook/twitter) its silly to buy the top end phones.

Noted. Note 9 still beats iPhone X max hands down. Apple as usual continue to play catch up and charge exorbitant amount for a crappy device to the mass. Don't worry the next software update brings your iPhone to plan obsolescence (gimping the processor as the battery die a slow death). End of discussion.

I'm not so sure "exorbitant" prices is justified when mentioning the similarly priced Note 9...
and my own experience with android is they lose value much quicker, have bloat and spyware, and tend to lag quickly, whereas 5 year old iPhone still work buttery smooth and retain value better

I'm so far into the Apple Ecosystem. I feel like a bit of a prisoner. I'd can find a $500 OLED LG Android with fast charging and a touch ID equivalent. Switching would be painful. Apple has done a good job sinking their teeth into me.

As many of you remember, I bought an iPhoneX last year to replace my old iPhone7Plus. I have been disappointed in the size of this phone, as compared to the older, more robust ("bigger") PLUS phone. It's hard t read with the X but I had no trouble doing so on my 7Plus.

OK, so I'm willing to suck it up and pay the juice for a new iPhoneXSMAX. How will the size compare to the iPhone 7PLUS? And when can I get it?

Noted. Note 9 still beats iPhone X max hands down. Apple as usual continue to play catch up and charge exorbitant amount for a crappy device to the mass. Don't worry the next software update brings your iPhone to plan obsolescence (gimping the processor as the battery die a slow death). End of discussion.

I'm not so sure "exorbitant" prices is justified when mentioning the similarly priced Note 9...
and my own experience with android is they lose value much quicker, have bloat and spyware, and tend to lag quickly, whereas 5 year old iPhone still work buttery smooth and retain value better

IPhone is suited for one size fits all. It is simple, boring, no customization, lack of features (compare to Android) with planned obsolescence. They are always playing catch up to flagship android (aside from processor, I give this to iPhone, it HAS faster processor right now vs. Snapdragon 845 on benchmark).

I'm not a fan boy, I go where the value is. Sadly, iPhone never give enough value for the same $ compare to the other flagships produced the same year. It's just the "luxury" factor like buying a luis vuiton bag.