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DRUGS? TORTURE? HOW TO HANDLE CAPTURED AL QAEDA TERRORISTS

The president’s first word upon hearing the news was “fantastic.” We can only imagine the elation among FBI and CIA officials who stalked Khalid Shaikh Mohammed for the past 18 months.

Mohammed is reportedly the No. 3 man in Al Qaeda, responsible for operational planning. The idea to hijack airliners loaded with fuel and human beings, and crash them into buildings was reportedly his brain child, as were the details — which pilots to use, how to pull off the hijackings, how to transfer the funds, which targets to choose.

The New York Times reports that since Sept. 11, 2001, Muhammed moved frequently, staying one step ahead of his pursuers by staying briefly in Karachi, Faisalabad, Peshawar and other cities, before finally being apprehended in Rawalpindi. Throughout his travels, however, Muhammed remained the hub of the Al Qaeda organization, staying in touch with many operatives through email, coded telephone messages and couriers. It was the volume of messages to and from Muhammed that apparently moved the Department of Homeland Security to raise the threat alert last month. He was called “the brain” of Al Qaeda.

And what a twisted, evil brain it is. Muhammed is believed to have planned the Bali nightclub bombing that killed 192 people and may well be the man who personally beheaded Daniel Pearl on videotape.

He knows everything there is to know about Al Qaeda. But so far, during interrogations, he has merely recited phrases from the Koran. What should we do with him?

Professor Alan Dershowitz, the noted liberal law professor at Harvard, caused heads to snap after Sept. 11 by recommending torture for captured but uncooperative terrorists.

Suppose, Dershowitz asked, a criminal had kidnapped your child and placed him in an underground bunker with only enough oxygen to last for three hours. He is captured but refuses to reveal the child’s location. Should we not use torture on the kidnapper to save the child? Or suppose the hypothetical were changed to make it a nuclear bomb timed to explode in three hours. Would we then countenance torture to save a city?

I would. My rage over what was done to Americans on Sept. 11 has not cooled. The trouble is, torture makes my skin crawl — even torture of a disgusting killer. Besides, life is rarely like a law school hypothetical. The hypothetical assumes that the kidnapper has the information to impart. That may or may not be true of a terrorist. He may know only his small piece of the puzzle. It is also possible that the Pakistani police could capture the wrong guy, and we might torture an innocent man.

There are further problems with torture. It’s unreliable. Some people never crack under torture (though they are extremely rare). Others confess to everything — including things they’ve never done. Our soldiers have signed papers under torture confessing to spying, war crimes, the works. So while some information extracted by torture might be useful, some would not — and we’d have to sort out the true from the false.

Besides, there are other ways. Experts quoted on “60 Minutes” and in various newspaper reports debunk sodium pentothal, cautioning that there is no such thing as “truth serum.” This is surely true. No known drug can make a person honest. But sodium pentothal does have disinhibiting effects on the brain; it causes our normal controls to relax and our tongues to loosen. And while we cannot be sure the information obtained through use of the drug is accurate, we can compare it with other information and cross-check. We’d have to do the same with information extracted by torture anyway.

Finally, there is alcohol. For millennia, captives or dupes have revealed secret information after a few drinks. And while strict Muslims are supposed to abstain, there is reason to believe that the rule is honored in the breach often enough. Some of the Sept. 11 hijackers reportedly spent their last night at lap-dancing bars.

“The events of Sept. 11 require us to imagine the unimaginable and think the unthinkable,” Alan Dershowitz warned. He’s right. But torture is not the answer. A cocktail of booze and sodium pentothal just might be.

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Editor’s Comment:

This one rare instant where I disagree with Mona Charen. Torture is not good enough for terrorists. Put yourself in the place of an American that jumped from the WTC rather than be burned or crushed. Think of the torture they all went through as they were falling in a stair well screaming for safety only to be crushed by million of pounds of cement. What would you be feeling? To use and modify a commonly used liberal line, if torture will save one American life, it’s worth it.

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Why the Left Lies

I. Credibility

All Lies are designed to seem true. The expert liar carefully uses elements that seem probable and logical and are therefore easy to believe. On the other hand, The Truth is often illogical, wildly improbable and hard to explain.

Lies are more believable than The Truth.

II. Reliability

The Truth is spontaneous, accidental and unpredictable. Lies, however, can be planned in detail long in advance and are thus guaranteed to turn out as predicted.

Lies are more dependable than The Truth.

III. Economy

To be The Truth, an account of a given event must be com­pletely accurate. This requires painstaking resourcefulness, expen­sive research, time-consuming attention to detail, complex logistics and thoroughness. In spite of all that, some people will believe it and others will not. A Lie will produce identical results without all the fuss and bother.

Lies are simpler than Truth; Lies cost less than Truth in time, money and effort.

IV. Value

The Truth can be found anywhere; it belongs to anybody who finds it, absolutely free. Lies are custom-made, often by experts, and the best ones are highly polished works of art.

Lies are worth more money than Truth. Have you ever heard of anybody bribing a witness to tell The Truth?

V. Respectability

a. Great fortunes have been made by selling Lies to the pub­lic. The people who sell these Lies are often grateful to the gullible consumers, so they endow libraries and universities and cultural centers.

b. Nobody ever made a fortune selling The Truth. First of all, as already stated, The Truth is free. The only people who will pay money for The Truth are people who are being blackmailed-and they are only buying The Truth so they can hide it before anybody else sees it.

Lies lead to libraries and universities, while The Truth leads to blackmail.

VI.Stability

Take one thousand parts Truth, add one part Lie. Result: a Lie.

Take one-thousandth part Lie, add one part Truth. Result: again, a Lie.

Note that you can make a Lie out of The Truth, but you can’t make The Truth out of a Lie.

Lies are stronger and last longer than The Truth.

VII. Imagination

In reporting The Truth, a person must research the precise facts and stick to them exactly as they occurred. The liar can report the same incident without doing any research, merely saying whatever comes to his mind and filling in the “details” according to his cause.

Lies are more creative than the Truth.

VIII. Recognizability

People are accustomed to hearing Lies all the time.

If you tell The Truth, people will think you are lying. If you convince them you are telling The Truth, they will become suspicious. Why is he suddenly telling The Truth? What’s going on?

VIX. Supply and Demand

A. In describing any given incident, only one version can possibly be The Truth, whereas the number of Lies possible is unlimited. Obviously Lies are in far greater supply than Truth.

B. There is a great demand for Lies, if they are flattering, if they build up one’s hopes, if they help one escape reality or if they promise health, wealth, power or potency. Nobody is very anxious to hear The Truth. The only people who demand The Truth are those who are investigating something (lawyers, etc.)-and they only want The Truth to prove somebody is lying.

Lies are the acceptable medium of exchange in our society. They are in good supply and the demand for them remains strong. The Truth is in extremely short supply, but even this tiny supply far exceeds the demand. Thus, in our society, Truth occupies a position identical to that of dinosaur shit.