Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

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Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by Thyrl

This crap about the system lingering is a cop out. All teams have the same plays in their playbooks.

You may be correct on the first sentence but you're off base on the second. High school and college teams don't have all the same plays. In the NFL, where the concepts are infinitely more complex, do you really think everyone has the same plays?

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

FWIW, I just talked to a source inside the Ravens org about this. He said that Harbaugh had a meeting with the FO to try to fire him, but they pushed back saying they wanted to let him finish out the year.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by Paintballguy

You guys are high if you're trying to say harbaugh is a better coach then bob belichick.

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No one is trying to say Harbaugh is or will be better than Belichick. The point is everyone starts somewhere. Belichick didn't walk into the league and become a Superbowl winning coach right away. He took his lumps first, a lot of them. Just like Harbaugh is doing now. If you would have told people that Belichick would end up being one of the best coaches in the NFL nearly 20 years later, Cleveland fans would have laughed you out of the fucking stadium. We don't know where Harbaugh's career is going. To pretend to know is simply silly.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

The arguments about how Bilicheck didn't become a SB winning coach over night and is an example of how JH can become great after more time are the same arguments as to how Flacco can become great with more time because Brady didn't become a great statistical QB until his fifth year in the league.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by Corey

No one is trying to say Harbaugh is or will be better than Belichick. The point is everyone starts somewhere. Belichick didn't walk into the league and become a Superbowl winning coach right away. He took his lumps first, a lot of them. Just like Harbaugh is doing now. If you would have told people that Belichick would end up being one of the best coaches in the NFL nearly 20 years later, Cleveland fans would have laughed you out of the fucking stadium. We don't know where Harbaugh's career is going. To pretend to know is simply silly.

Agreed, we don't know how Harbaugh's career is going to turn out, but Belichick was a very good defensive coordinator prior to becoming a HC. I just think that he was more qualified earlier in his career than Harbaugh. Belichick's defensive game plan from the New York Giants' 20–19 upset of the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV is now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So, if Belichick questions one of his coordinators, he does so from a position of far more credibility than Harbaugh does. I just don't see any strong OC or DC thinking that Harbaugh can teach them much of anything about how to do their job better. Harbaugh would have to be able to make up for his Xs and Os shortcomings by being an outstanding leader. I just don't think that he is a great leader.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by leachisabeast

The arguments about how Bilicheck didn't become a SB winning coach over night and is an example of how JH can become great after more time are the same arguments as to how Flacco can become great with more time because Brady didn't become a great statistical QB until his fifth year in the league.

Agreed. Stop looking at guys and saying "oh, well maybe he could be like this" without any actual proof. Maybe Joe Flacco and Tom Brady have similar numbers in their first 5 years (which is kind of BS anyway because the league is so different now) but did Joe Flacco show the kind of consistent clutch ability and high level of mental acuity that Brady did in his first 5 years? You can't judge what a player might be able to do by what you "feel" like he might be able to do or what other players have done, you've got to go by what the player has actually shown on the field.

Regarding the coaches, Belichick was showing that he had a unique coaching mind light years ahead of the competition as early as his days with the Giants when he was like 30 years old. He put together the game plan that completely shut down Jim Kelly's K-Gun offense in the 1990 Super Bowl, an offense that nobody else in the league could stop. He coordinated some of the best defenses in the NFL, and Lawrence Taylor said he would have been nobody if not for Bill Belichick.

Harbaugh has shown... NOTHING!!! to suggest he is a great football mind. He doesn't assemble game plans or call any plays. He doesn't run drafts or have the final call on personnel moves. He's never out-coached, out-adjusted, or out-game planned anybody in this league, and Belichick has his entire career. Harbaugh's job is to motivate his guys (which he's failed to do this year) and manage the game on Sundays (which he's also failed to do this year and his entire tenure here). So... bottom line, no similarities there.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by bmorecareful

Agreed. Stop looking at guys and saying "oh, well maybe he could be like this" without any actual proof. Maybe Joe Flacco and Tom Brady have similar numbers in their first 5 years (which is kind of BS anyway because the league is so different now) but did Joe Flacco show the kind of consistent clutch ability and high level of mental acuity that Brady did in his first 5 years? You can't judge what a player might be able to do by what you "feel" like he might be able to do or what other players have done, you've got to go by what the player has actually shown on the field.

Regarding the coaches, Belichick was showing that he had a unique coaching mind light years ahead of the competition as early as his days with the Giants when he was like 30 years old. He put together the game plan that completely shut down Jim Kelly's K-Gun offense in the 1990 Super Bowl, an offense that nobody else in the league could stop. He coordinated some of the best defenses in the NFL, and Lawrence Taylor said he would have been nobody if not for Bill Belichick.

Harbaugh has shown... NOTHING!!! to suggest he is a great football mind. He doesn't assemble game plans or call any plays. He doesn't run drafts or have the final call on personnel moves. He's never out-coached, out-adjusted, or out-game planned anybody in this league, and Belichick has his entire career. Harbaugh's job is to motivate his guys (which he's failed to do this year) and manage the game on Sundays (which he's also failed to do this year and his entire tenure here). So... bottom line, no similarities there.

And I used to be a HUGE JH fan, and once though Flacco could have been one of the greats. Both are good at what they do, but championship calibre? Without a talented squad, I don't think so.

Re: Jay Glazer: Harbaugh helped Cameron hang on for as long he could until he was finally let go

Originally Posted by Dirt1

Agreed, we don't know how Harbaugh's career is going to turn out, but Belichick was a very good defensive coordinator prior to becoming a HC. I just think that he was more qualified earlier in his career than Harbaugh. Belichick's defensive game plan from the New York Giants' 20–19 upset of the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV is now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So, if Belichick questions one of his coordinators, he does so from a position of far more credibility than Harbaugh does. I just don't see any strong OC or DC thinking that Harbaugh can teach them much of anything about how to do their job better. Harbaugh would have to be able to make up for his Xs and Os shortcomings by being an outstanding leader. I just don't think that he is a great leader.