Shanksville pics..?

For those of you who say that the fire didn't get hot enough to weaken the steel, I have news for you. The Liberty bridge in Pittsburgh had a fire
last week. The fire was hot enough to have damaged the bridge structure. There are reports that if the fire hadn't been put out as fast as it was
the bridge may have collapsed.

For those of you who say that the fire didn't get hot enough to weaken the steel, I have news for you. The Liberty bridge in Pittsburgh had a fire
last week. The fire was hot enough to have damaged the bridge structure. There are reports that if the fire hadn't been put out as fast as it was the
bridge may have collapsed.

To the OP... Are you a qualified and experienced investigator of air crashes?

I once came across a website of plane crash sites from WW2. It's quite amazing the lack of remains a Avro Lancaster can make when dropping nose-first
from 20,000 feet. I wish I could find it, but there are similarities with the OP. A hole in the ground and sime litter around. Nothing else left
above the surface.

Firefighters reported seeing part of the undercarriage and tires. One of the tires was on fire and had to be extinguished.

Excerpts from "Courage After the Crash: Flight 93" by Glenn J. Kashurba. SAJ Publishing, 2002. King: "We stopped and I opened the door. The smell
of jet fuel was overpowering. I will never forget that smell; it is really burnt into my mind. ...I walked down the power line and got my first
glimpse of human remains. Then I walked a little further and saw more." Shanksville VFD firefighter Keith Curtis: "I walked up to where the tire
was on fire, probably a hundred feet past the crater. It was a big tire. I was thinking that this is a big jet. I hit it good with the hose and put it
out. I stopped and 'poof,' it just started on fire again." Firefighter Mike Sube: "We made our way to a small pond. That's where I observed the
largest piece of wreckage that I saw, a portion of the landing gear and fuselage. One of the tires was still intact with the bracket, and probably
about three to five windows of the fuselage were actually in one piece lying there. ...There were enough fires that our brush truck was down there
numerous times. ...I saw small pieces of human remains and occasionally some larger pieces. That was disturbing, but what was most disturbing was
seeing personal effects."

What's so silly about it? The wings sliced through the side of the building on the twin towers and left a noticeable slice on the exterior wall. The
towers were constructed with exterior steel beams around the perimeter of the building. If a plane and it's wings can slice through steel beams, I'm
sure at the very least it would have created some damage along a concrete wall. Take into consideration the engines of the plane are attached to the
wings which adds to the force of the impact.

What's so silly about it? The wings sliced through the side of the building on the twin towers and left a noticeable slice on the exterior wall. The
towers were constructed with exterior steel beams around the perimeter of the building. If a plane and it's wings can slice through steel beams, I'm
sure at the very least it would have created some damage along a concrete wall. Take into consideration the engines of the plane are attached to the
wings which adds to the force of the impact.

It's the other way around for the wings and the tower. The steel beams sliced through the wings.
Back to Shanksville, even the impression of the wing prints that the photo's showed by Phage seem plausible because the wings are thin and hollow,
filled with fuel. Smacking the ground at that speed would most likely make them explode and vaporize with very little ground penetration. The fuselage
however, went in perpendicular instead of horizontally flat like a wing (leading edge), with great kinetic energy. The problem will always be the
engines.... how did they not contribute to holes on each side of the crater is a great mystery.

he problem will always be the engines.... how did they not contribute to holes on each side of the crater is a great mystery.

Well since the engines were running at cruise power one might think they chewed there way down and spit dirt out the back.
More or less covering themselves up.

I don't think that could happen since the dirt would have to be forced through the narrow nozzle. I could see the main turbine exploding and flying
apart but what was behind them was a pretty massive amount of heavy metal. One would think they would go in just like the fuselage...

In afterthought, I suppose since the engines went in before all of the fuselage, the holes could have been filled in quickly... but did they find any
engine parts on each side of the big hole?

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