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“It’s wrong for North Carolina, clearly and simply,” she said. “People around the country are watching us and they’re really confused to have been such a progressive, forward-thinking, economically driven state that invested in education and that stood up for the civil rights of people including the civil rights marches back in the ‘50s and ’60s and ’70s. Folks are saying, what in the world is going in North Carolina? We look like Mississippi.”

On Tuesday, 61 percent of voters approved the ban. North Carolina law had already banned same-sex marriage, but the passage of the amendment means civil unions and possibly other types of domestic partnerships will no longer be legally recognized.

Survive or not - at least she's standing up for what she believes in. Let's face it, conservative republicans who cry for government to stay out of their personal lives are finding themselves on the wrong side of their own rhetoric by injecting state laws into personal relationships.

Survive or not - at least she's standing up for what she believes in. Let's face it, conservative republicans who cry for government to stay out of their personal lives are finding themselves on the wrong side of their own rhetoric by injecting state laws into personal relationships.

DVL, the sad thing is, you're probably right, even though NC does look like a backwards puritanical society now. More dems really should have voted, but sadly, conservatives always tend to vote in higher numbers... partially because they're more motivated, and partially because old people have less to do than vote, and typically vote more conservative in the first place.

BTW - NC isn't "her' state just because she was elected Gov.North Carolina belongs to the ppl of that state and they have every right to vote for the laws under which they wish to live. Dems & liberals can't seem to get it into their thinking that well over half of the nation is conservative - which means that they want to conserve traditional values.That high percentage of conservatives may vary from state to state but nationally it remains well over 50% as Obama will discover to his sorrow.

Bev Perdue is not seeking re-election. Why? Because she could not be elected dog catcher in any town in North Carolina. She road Obama's coattails in 2008 in an upset win. But today, her favorability numbers are in the high 20's to low 30's. The reason she is so unpopular is because she is out of touch with the vast majority of her constituents, as is obvious by her evaluation of the recent vote. Bev needs to move to California, New York, Massachusetts, or some other blue state where her opinions might fit in.

I believe that Gay Marriage will be approved in due time and I hope it is. The rush by activists and Democrats is causing a significant backlash along with the fear that the administration has moved too far left for most of the country. The fact that 30+ states have actually banned gay marriage should have been a warning. Time will cure all things including this issue one way or another. The people in NC have spoken-claiming that they were misinformed or that they act like Mississippians is just arrogance at its worst. The last time I looked Mississippi was still a State in our Union and should not be disparaged by a bunch of arrogant individuals just because you disagree with their politics! I like Mass and even lived there for a time but it's politics leave me cold!

So... liberals want to take us to the site of a fictional massacre by a all powerful 'benevolent' (see: cruel) deity who decided that the only person worthy of saving was a father who offered his daughters up to be raped? ... Followed by said daughters having sex with the father?

... All of that because they want gay couples to be able to get the same piece of paper that straight couples can get? Listen, your religious beliefs aside, unless you can show a negative outcome of gay marriage, all your fretting sounds like nonsense. Canada legalized it, still haven't seen fire and brimstone come crashing down there.

@Btwn

What I don't understand is how 'conservatives' keep touting the 'we want freedom and individual liberty' but then try legislating morality. They don't just want 'conservative traditional values', they want the law to also reflect those values, meaning they want to impose their values on others. I don't understand that, it seems to be the direct opposite of the 'personal freedom' and 'small government' they talk about. So government should be small, unless it can interfere with your personal life?

Cause it's not like allowing gay marriage impacts ANYONE else other than gay people themselves. Keeping gay marriage illegal, or making it legal, is not going to make your marriage any different. Gay people being able to obtain a marriage license hurts no one, so they can still live by those 'traditional conservative values' if they so wish, but when they begin wanting to impose those 'traditional conservative values' on everyone else, it sounds like pure hypocrisy.

Oh, and I'd like a citation that says over 50% of the population identifies itself as 'conservative'.

Survive or not - at least she's standing up for what she believes in. Let's face it, conservative republicans who cry for government to stay out of their personal lives are finding themselves on the wrong side of their own rhetoric by injecting state laws into personal relationships.

Yes, it's possible to *gasp* disagree with a majority. Well, technically here we didn't even have a majority, we had 20% of registered voters coming out to vote in NC, so really it's disagreeing with 12% of the registered voters. However, even if 100% of NC registered voters voted, and STILL came down 60% against gay marriage, disagreeing with them is perfectly valid.

Just for the sake of curiosity, how do you think Brown vs Board of Education would have fared if it had been put up for a vote?

The point is that marriage is a civil institution, and that voters took arbitrary religious reasoning to impose restrictions on gay rights for no real valid reason. Hell, they even voted down civil unions, so they clearly just really dislike gays. But disliking someone should not be valid justification for stripping their rights.

You might retort "no, marriage is a religious and holy institution" but I submit to you that gay marriage was allowed in Ancient rome, so clearly it's not a pure Abrahamic tradition (nor did Abrahamic religions invent the concept in the first place), and atheists can get married, so both the historical argument relies picking the arbitrary Abrahamic definition and imposing that on everyone, and calling it currently a religious institution ignores the fact that even non-religious individuals can obtain a marriage license. It's then been hijacked by the religious, nothing more.

If marriage is removed from government hands entirely, you wouldn't have gay people complaining. If the state no longer issued 'marriage licenses' then there'd be no different treatment, so there'd be nothing left to complain about. However because the state has its hand in marriage, gay people deserve equal and fair treatment under the law, there is no legitimate reason that a gay couple's relationship should not have the same legal protections as a straight couple's relationship.

Just because the majority cannot separate their own religious beliefs from the legal rights of others doesn't mean that everyone needs to shut up and agree with the majority, it means that those of us who disagree should stand up and explain why we believe the majority is wrong. It means we should champion our cause harder. Disagreeing with the majority is a right we are able to enjoy in the US, and if voters care so much about limiting gay rights so as to vote her out of office because she believes they made the wrong decision, then NC will deserve to be made a laughing stock. For the first time in US history, gay marriage now has more popular support than opposition, and that's not a trend that's reversing, or even slowing down. NC finds itself on the wrong side of history, as do a large number of other US states. One day, this will be looked back on in the same way that protests against mixed race marriages is viewed today.

Ok, umm, why should gay couples not be allowed to have the same beneifts? Why do gay couples not deserve the same legal privilages as straight couples? Is it the baby thing, cause that justification would mandate sterile people cannot get married, as well as old people post-menopause cannot get married. Plus it ignores things like sperm donors or surrogate mothers, or even *gasp* adoption.

If it's not the baby thing, then what? Why do gay couples not deserve the same legal protections and 'privilages' as straight couples? The voters of NC say they don't, but they never provide a very good justification for why they don't.