Metro Lt. Ray Steiber said four suspects  at least one of them carrying a firearm  knocked on the door of a first-floor apartment occupied by a couple and their infant. The assailants barged in when the woman occupant answered the door. The intruders were met with armed resistance.

Witnesses reported hearing gunfire exchanged, first inside the apartment and then outside.

Also suspect 00 buck has problems when used as a load for an interior firefight. I doubt it has much more stopping power than smaller shot at such ranges, while it is most certainly more likely to penetrate walls.

true but the sound of racking a round into a shotgun is universally and worldwide known as oh $hit I messed up. It is a good defense. on the other hand by the time they hear the semi auto rack it has already gone off once and the oh $hit moment maybe too late to mentally register before the lead met its target. pays yer money and take your choice.

Im thinking any shotgun is better than a handgun, or rifle, for close quarters combat. The fact that only one perp is down is proof positive.

A modern sport utility rifle (carbine for maneuverability) with a 30 round magazine and soft-point/frangible ammunition will limit over-penetration yet penetrate most common body armor. Very controllable and very fast.

NOT IF YOU PRACTICE! A semiautomatic SG is limited to the speed of the action cycling. A pump can shoot at the rate you can pump (which some can do faster than the speed of your semi.). Plus, a pump is less particular about which ammo goes through it.

THANK YOU. My co-workers asked me last week why I need 20 and 30 round clips and I said "What if I am attacked my three or four guys?" and they were all like "If you need 30 shots for four guys you suck at shooting." and I was like "They're not gonna walk right out in the open and let me shoot 'em." Morons.

What? You believe that a pump shotgun can fire as fast or faster than a semiautomatic shot gun?

I strongly beg to differ. My semiautomatic Browning is MUCH faster than my pump Winchester. Both are kept in primo condition of course and the Browning is easily 2X faster if not more. I have been using the pump Winchester for 50 years and the semiautomatic Browning for 45 years so think that I have a handle on their capabilities by now.

BTW... My other long guns are a pump Remington 22 that I got when I was about 10 and my granddad's Winchester 30-30 when I was 17. Gotta love growing up on a ranch.

What do you recommend? Birdshot? Any particular number shell? I have a Remy 870 Tactical and a Remy 1187 Tactical Autoloader w/ .00 buck, but am more practiced with my Kimber .45 ACPs .230gr HP, in an interior situation (IDPA). At 10ft, my Remys' .00 buck give a 1¾-2" pattern.

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posted on 12/25/2012 1:19:39 PM PST
by carriage_hill
(Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)

“What? You believe that a pump shotgun can fire as fast or faster than a semiautomatic shot gun?”

Yes. With all due respect, I have seen it done... And this is by normal guys like you and me, not by some trick shooter at a show. I completely understand your skepticism, as I felt the same way before I saw it for myself. You should break that Winchester out and set to giving it a go!!! With your experience, I have no doubt that you could get there. Merry Christmas and good luck!!

Note that the tests were all some sort of buckshot or slug. I switched from #4 birdshot to 00 buckshot in my shotguns based on the following from the “Box of Truth” website. Not scientific, but makes sense to me:

For CQB inside, use '0' or #1. It put out the most effective lead out into the best pattern. Also lessens over-penetration. #1 is particularly recommended for inside work. If it is for a mixture then go with #1 & single 0.

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