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Have we looked at the same Benchmarks? Because the ones I have seen you notice that one very heavy CPU workloads involving many heavy threads, Bulldozers beats the i7.
Its a server product, and people seem to forget that.

Ehm, no. Stock prices are not a measurement of anything, its just a matter of raw speculation based on raw speculation.
The way I see it, its capitalism at its finest: They fire people instead of cutting the managments and the stock holders payouts.

You've nailed it, sir. Seriously, I can't believe all of the FUD that's coming out of his mouth, especially considering that he's a moderator for this website. It makes me wonder if Intel signed him up for their "The Way It's Meant To Be Benchmarked" program, it wouldn't be the first time they've tried to corrupt the media, benchmark vendors, or OEMs to unfairly skew public opinion in their favor.

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You've nailed it, sir. Seriously, I can't believe all of the FUD that's coming out of his mouth, especially considering that he's a moderator for this website. It makes me wonder if Intel signed him up for their "The Way It's Meant To Be Benchmarked" program, it wouldn't be the first time they've tried to corrupt the media, benchmark vendors, or OEMs to unfairly skew public opinion in their favor.

FYI, I am a stock holder if AMD stock, second of all FX is not a server processor, third the last (and only) intel processor I owned was an 8088-2 (which was swapped out for a NEC V20, then followed by a TI 486, Cyrix 150+, K6-3 450, Athlon 600/850/1700, AMD Windsor 3200, X2 4200/6400, Phenom 9850, Phenom II 955, Phenom II 1090T), fourth financial results are published pubically, look them up for yourself.

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Can anyone here actually claim that it is remotely worthy of the FX branding?

I can.
Given the right workload, it sure does.
The "Bulldozer is a failed architecture" mantra from people claiming they are computer litterate is REALLY getting on my nerves. How short-sighted can one be?
Was the whole marketing of BD good though? Hell no. Pushing the 8 cores aspect was a major blunder.

Anyway, cut down on the wisecracks, dude, seriously...

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They are having a hard time. Read their financials and take a look at their stock price

Actually take a look at their P/E, It was around $4 last I checked, which is insanely low for a tech stock. You normalize it to $10 and you'll see that the company is doing well, it's just in terms of stock prices the investors just aren't believing it

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I can.
Given the right workload, it sure does.
The "Bulldozer is a failed architecture" mantra from people claiming they are computer litterate is REALLY getting on my nerves. How short-sighted can one be?
Was the whole marketing of BD good though? Hell no. Pushing the 8 cores aspect was a major blunder.

Anyway, cut down on the wisecracks, dude, seriously...

How can you seriously call it an FX when it barely beats it's predecessor x6's in most loads? Sure under certain workloads it does excel with a bit of improvement but it is nowhere close to being to the original FX's where they mopped up the floor in pretty much every workload.

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How can you seriously call it an FX when it barely beats it's predecessor x6's in most loads? Sure under certain workloads it does excel with a bit of improvement but it is nowhere close to being to the original FX's where they mopped up the floor in pretty much every workload.

Sandy Bridge barely beats Nehalem under plenty of circumstances. Nehalem barely beat Core2 under plenty of circumstances. Bulldozer beats Sandy Bridge under plenty of circumstances, and/or at least effectively ties it, unless you view benchmarks as a competition, where winning by 1fps is a victory, rather than being a tie within the margin of error.

I'm not sure why you're trolling so hard about Bulldozer being a failure when it's anything but a failure. Michael's benchmark article illustrated that under the typically well threaded Linux workload, that it's extremely competitive vs Sandy Bridge, why you insist on saying it's not is quite suspicious. This is a website about benchmarking Linux, I couldn't care less about what Tom's hardware thought of it under Windows.

PS: Most of the time the server CPUs and the desktop CPUs, and sometimes even the laptop CPUs all come off of the same wafer, it just doesn't make sense for AMD to create separate desktop and server chips when the desktop market is in terminal decline. So Bulldozer for desktops is a server CPU. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Otherwise, please stop spreading FUD about it, you're going to hurt your own stock prices.

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Exactly, and as far as being sold s a high end desktop 8 core CPU is because it still is. This isn't '95 and it's not a 486 clone with only 16Mb of ram, I and anyone else interested in it are going to be running a good dozen apps at the same time natively in Linux and at least a dozen more in at least 1 VM.

I know in my case Firefox, Pidgin, Songbird, Vuze, Gimp, LibreOffice, F@H as well as VirtualBox running Haiku and ReactOS are pretty much never not running. I'm often transcoding DVDs and Blurays to WebM usually while playing a game. Having 8 cores just makes that all run that much smoother and would be much closer to how anyone looking to buy any high end desktop chip would actually be using it daily and not these unrealistic benchmarks where you're running just a single app at a time.

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Sandy Bridge barely beats Nehalem under plenty of circumstances. Nehalem barely beat Core2 under plenty of circumstances. Bulldozer beats Sandy Bridge under plenty of circumstances, and/or at least effectively ties it, unless you view benchmarks as a competition, where winning by 1fps is a victory, rather than being a tie within the margin of error.

Is intel marketing their entire line EE editions? BTW I do not consider 1 or 2 fps a victory.