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I hope TG answers my Rattlor question. I really think that MYP Rattlor should be a different character than Vintage Rattlor. The same with Filmation Tung Lashor and Vintage Tung Lashor.

I don't agree with that at all, same characters just different outfits/armor sets. That is like saying the 200x King Hiss and the Vintage King Hiss are 2 different ones. For the Sorceress I can see the need for a different one spanning different era's times.

Given the Snakemen are a finite line with only a handful of figures/characters I think the 4H could find a creative way to meld the 2 versions together but retain the 1 character option.

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I hope TG answers my Rattlor question. I really think that MYP Rattlor should be a different character than Vintage Rattlor. The same with Filmation Tung Lashor and Vintage Tung Lashor.

That would be saying like all characters that differed between the Vintage/Filmation like and the 200X/MYP line are two different characters. Sorry dude, but they're the same characters! Besides you know the answer he will give regarding anything about any character. The usual "Can't comment past Thunder Punch He-Man. and Keep reading the bios!"

I just hope that when they get to Rattlor, When they make the extension for his head. That it still doesn't make him look phallic like!

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I agree, he was General Rattlor on the MYP cartoon - same character! I hope we just get a "General Rattlor" in MOTUC - with removable 200X armor - I can live with 1 head - don't really want to see the angular T-Rex head.

I don't agree with that at all, same characters just different outfits/armor sets. That is like saying the 200x King Hiss and the Vintage King Hiss are 2 different ones. For the Sorceress I can see the need for a different one spanning different era's times.

Given the Snakemen are a finite line with only a handful of figures/characters I think the 4H could find a creative way to meld the 2 versions together but retain the 1 character option.

Originally Posted by Marvelous0ne

That would be saying like all characters that differed between the Vintage/Filmation like and the 200X/MYP line are two different characters. Sorry dude, but they're the same characters! Besides you know the answer he will give regarding anything about any character. The usual "Can't comment past Thunder Punch He-Man. and Keep reading the bios!"

I just hope that when they get to Rattlor, When they make the extension for his head. That it still doesn't make him look phallic like!

I'm not saying everyone should be have characters. But you have characters who were very different between incarnations. You have the silent, red colored vintage Rattlor who served the Horde and then you have the brown colored MYP General who was trapped in the void with Hsss. Like how Zodak was supposed to be Zodak, you could make them two different guys and please everyone. I think you could make Tung Lashor into two different characters too--vintage AND Filmation versions.

If you make him a new character, he can keep his 200X head and MYP coloration, instead of being neutered like Grizzlor. The Vintage Rattlor could be a total rehash, if we knew the General was coming as a variant. I'd rather have them do it that way, than try to turn the vintage version of Rattlor into something he never was.

Originally Posted by Uki

I actually like both heads, and removable armor (and even scaly loincloth parts) would be a great way to do Rattlor. I don't think either he or Tung Lashor need to be separate characters.

Originally Posted by Bulkhide

Personally, I'd like to see one Rattlor with two Heads and Removable 200X Armor. Plus an extended neck piece that either head could attach to.

IF we were going to have both heads, then this wouldn't be an issue. But since Rattlor is a creature, he's going to be vintage styled. If the General was made into an all new character, then he can retain his 200X head, because that would now be the General's head instead of the 200X version of vintage Rattlor.

I'm with Max, I think they should get the Zodac/Zodak treatment as they are very different looking. The MYP one could be called the General and be cartoon accurate, and add to the small ranks of the snake men.
But, I guess they don't want to do that. I'm disappointed with that answer, as TG kind of hinted before that they could be different ("Keep reading the bios!" or something similar was the answer, rather than a straight up "No" )
Zodak was also the same character with a different interpretation. This is arbitrary picking and choosing, but whatever.

IF we were going to have both heads, then this wouldn't be an issue. But since Rattlor is a creature, he's going to be vintage styled. If the General was made into an all new character, then he can retain his 200X head, because that would now be the General's head instead of the 200X version of vintage Rattlor.

While I agree that Tung Lashor should see two different releases, one as Vintage and one as Filmation, I don't see us getting a General figure. He's just going to be Rattlor and that's it. I get what you are saying and what you mean, but I think the best we can hope for is a figure that is very close to how Fisto was handled: Two heads, 200X accessories, and all the bells-n-whistles.

I do not like the idea of The General and Rattlor being two different people, and I'm glad to hear ToyGuru confirm they will not be going that way.

Think about it....if they were two people, that would mean Rattlor never appeared in MYP...and he's too important a Snake Man to dis him like that.

According to how TG writes the bios, it could work. Rattlor and Tung Lashor would be titles, not names. The General and Vintage Tung Lashor are the ancient versions that were trapped in the Void along with Hsss and the others. The Vintage Rattlor and Filmation Tung Lashor are their puny descendants and thugs who worked for the Horde, which would work with the Filmation continuity. The General and Vintage Tung Lashor would want to personally see these "pretenders" killed for making a mockery of their titles and being weak enough to hire themselves out as rent-a-thugs for their various enemies.

Collection-wise, if the vintage fans like Vintage Rattlor, they can go for that one and ignore the later variant. The 200X fans can buy the General and that character can be Rattlor in their collections, instead of the vintage version.

I don't buy the Star Sisters variants answer because the He-Man and Skeletor variants will always take up two of the variant slots. Who are the other major contenders for variants besides the main two guys? And I thought that simple TRU repaints wouldn't be included in the sub. Unless, I'm forgetting someone, 200X Evil-Lyn is the Star Sister's only real competition and those are basically 4 slots. We have two available.

Actually, there's quite a lot of characters who fans would love to see in those variant slots, as evidenced by Variant Idol. 200X Variants of Randor, Sorceress, Hss, roboto and Evil-Lyn usually do quite well, and Filmation variants are getting in there now, Filmation Hordak is currently winning.
I would love to see toy versions of the Star Sisters though, shouldn't be too hard to make either

Originally Posted by MegaGearMax

Two more new questions.

I hope TG answers my Rattlor question. I really think that MYP Rattlor should be a different character than Vintage Rattlor. The same with Filmation Tung Lashor and Vintage Tung Lashor.

The answer on Zodac and Zodak can ring true for Rattlor and The General to. Classic Rattlor was low down the totem pole for Snakemen, it was more Tung Lashor who was 2nd in command. Rattlor came more across as muscle, while The General was 2nd only to King Hsss

I'm with Max, I think they should get the Zodac/Zodak treatment as they are very different looking. The MYP one could be called the General and be cartoon accurate, and add to the small ranks of the snake men.

I'm getting impatient for Rattlor and Tung Lashor. Rattlor is one of the few characters where I can't really choose which version I like better. He was updated brilliantly in 200x/MYP, but he was one of the coolest vintage toys there was. I wouldn't mind a Classics vintage version and a 200x variant. But if they want to just add in the armor and stuff, I guess that's fine.

I do agree with you and MGM - two versions of the character would be a neat way to bolster the Snakemen's small ranks.

True, but that is how he can justify having both versions of Tung Lashor and Rattlor in the mythos, instead of just using their vintage incarnations.

I think if the line goes according to plan and they finish their 2017 road map, they will crank out real variants of 200x characters like General Rattlor and a Ram Man body Whiplash to continue the line.

I don't want Rattlor and Tung Lashor variants to be different characters. Zodak makes a lot more sense to be a different character. I don't get why some people want variants to be different characters, such as clean-shaven MAA to be a different character or a Palace Guard - I mean, it's still freakin' MAA!

I wouldn't mind if Tung Lashor from the toy line and from Filmation were as they looked completely different. However, I don't need for them to be. I just wouldn't mind.

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I don't want Rattlor and Tung Lashor variants to be different characters. Zodak makes a lot more sense to be a different character. I don't get why some people want variants to be different characters, such as clean-shaven MAA to be a different character or a Palace Guard - I mean, it's still freakin' MAA!

If it wasn't for that STUPID 200X head rule, we wouldn't have to ask for stuff like this. One Rattlor with alternate 200X head and armor would have been enough. We would get something like this, but with an alternate Vintage head, so you could strip him down to make Vintage Rattlor:

But since someone over at Mattel Corporate has it in for 200X specifically (Alcala, Cardback and Style Guide alternate heads won't confuse moms and kids, but 200X heads will?), the fans who prefer the 200X version of Rattlor will have to find some way around that rule to get him. Splitting Rattlor up into two separate characters gives the vintage fans a purely vintage Rattlor, while the 200X fans would have the General as he appeared in MYP.

MYP The General is BROWN, has green eyes, wears armor and has a different head:

Vintage Rattlor is RED, has yellow eyes, no armor and comes with a staff:

I don't want Rattlor and Tung Lashor variants to be different characters. Zodak makes a lot more sense to be a different character. I don't get why some people want variants to be different characters, such as clean-shaven MAA to be a different character or a Palace Guard - I mean, it's still freakin' MAA!

That stuff drives me nuts too, and I'm not about making 200x characters in general be different. But The General and Rattlor fall into the same category as Zodak, imo. Vintage Rattlor looks very different from the big, orange, and regal MYP General. The vintage and 200x toys are not not that different, but an MYP-accurate version would be, and would add to the ranks of the snake men and MYP characters that they can make.

This was what TG said about this before, btw

Could Rattlor and the General be two different characters like Zodac/Zodak?

If Classic Rattlor is staying true to the original look and isn't wearing any armor, could he be an altogether different character from the (orange scaled in the MYP cartoon) armor wearing character "The General" from 200X, but in the Classic style?

Does this guy...

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...translate into this guy?

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Would this be another Zodac/Zodak case?

Keep reading the bio and you'll get your answer!

I guess they've shut this idea down for some reason. Maybe b/c Filmation characters will now take up more slots. [/wild rampant speculation]