What is the point in the relationship when you absolutely need to have the conversation about babies? I would say it’s definitely not first date or even third or fourth date material. I would put the Baby Conversation around the time when you first exchange “I love you.” And I’m not talking about the one line here or there of “Yes, I would love to be a mother/father, now should we order Chinese food?” I’m talking about the actual conversation, the plan of where you see your life going and whether it involves kids and how that will happen, etc. The conversation should definitely happen before you move in together.

So, Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher live together at this point. Although… I bet they still have their individual homes, because that just seems to be how celebrities do it. But they’ve been together more than a year, their lives are intertwined and they spend time with each other’s families and they are joined at the hip. So they should have had the baby conversation by now, right? Star says that Mila only recently told Ashton that she’s not all that interested in having babies in the next five years. Huh.

Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis are not only not on the same page when it comes to their future – they’re reading entirely different books! Ashton and Mila are at odds with Mila’s recent revelation that she doesn’t want to have kids anytime soon, while Ashton is desperate to become a dad.

“Mila still has a lot she wants to do careerwise,” states a pal. “She told Ashton that he’d have to wait at least five years.”

Because of the shocking news, Ashton is rethinking the entire relationship. “He’s devastated,” continues the source. “It was one of the biggest issues he had with Demi and part of the reason he wanted out.”

Now that Mila has revealed the truth, insiders say the couple’s future is unknown. “They had a huge blowout fight… he was set to propose and even looked at rings, but he isn’t as excited as he was before. It’s not looking good.”

[From Star Magazine, print edition]

Of course, it could be BS. It probably is. Months ago, the tabloids were even claiming that Mila would get knocked up before Ashton and Demi Moore’s divorce came through (it’s still going on, isn’t it?). And personally, I always kind of thought that Mila would get pregnant sooner rather than later, but you never know. Mila is only 29. It would also make sense that she would think “Oh, I’ve got time, right now I need to focus on my career.” And since I know someone will come along and scream “It’s her body, her choice, blah, I hate you!” let me say that of course it’s her body, her choice and if she doesn’t want kids for five more years, that’s fine with me and none of my business. I only judge people for doing the bait-and-switch – like, if Mila had been telling Ashton she wanted to get pregnant right away and then suddenly she was like “Oh, no, wait five years.” Then I would judge.

The Enquirer also has a weird/funny story about Ashton getting really jealous of Channing Tatum – Channing and Mila are working together on Jupiter Ascending, and it seems like they have a flirtatious and fun relationship. And Ashton is jelly. Of course he is. Channing’s career is going like gangbusters and Ashton’s career… isn’t.

Some photos of Ashton going solo at the ‘Jobs’ premiere two nights ago. What’s up with his belt?

Well I think baby discussion should definitely first date material if you are serious since otherwise you are just waisting your time. People rarely change minds about important issues like this. And I mean talking about weather you want children in the first place not timetables or schools obviously

Didnt Mila give an interview ahead of Oz that talked about how she would totally step back from Hollywood to ‘do what’s important and have a family’ etc? I’m paraphrasing but I def remember the overall gist.

I dont know, but i can see her not wanting babies yet, She only “arrived” in hollywood terms two years ago, she has more acting potential then him, there is still a lot for her to do. And he seems like the type of guy who wants a family, hence his marriage with demi and the ready made family of hers.

I think her earlier statements are true and i think this story is also mostly true. She would settle down and start a family for the right guy. I think she needs more time to see if Kutcher has matured and has his head on straight although they love each other. He has a lot more to prove and she is not going to just pop out babies for him. I think the whole career excuse is just to spare his feelings and buy herself some time. I dont blame her. Kutcher seems the tantrum-y type. JMO.

I don’t think Kutcher wants kids really. If he did he would never have married Demi Moore. Most guys who go for older women don’t really care about having kids. Women are the ones who fret over having kids, men are too busy making things happen in the world. Men have lives. Why would anyone want to give up a career where they are famous & making money so they can stay home with a crying brat & have the four walls closing in on them?

Hmmm. I lived with – and loved – a few guys before ever I thought about settling down. I never asked any of them if they wanted kids or not. I guess it depends what’s in your mind when you start dating someone – “Is this the guy?” or “He’ll be fun to spend time with.” It always seemed to me that the time to discuss kids is the time when you both decide you want to make things permanent.

I guess that risks heartbreak if you disagree on something so fundamental as kids and don’t find it out until after you’re in love and committed, but I can honestly say that never occurred to me when I was younger. If some guy I’d just started dating had asked me about my eventual plans for a family, I’d have seen it as getting way ahead of ourselves and run a mile.

That baby conversation needs to come up organically. I had been dating my hubby a year before we ever brought up reproduction. Maybe older women would need to do it sooner, if they have a ticking clock situation.

Off topic but Ashton was on Reddit yesterday and he was getting No Love. It was shockingly underwhelming. You would think he would be a hit on Reddit what with all the techies and frat boy types there, but no deal. Desmond from Lost (yes, the show that ended FOUR years ago) was posting at the same time and outranked him. Also, Ashton is a sourpuss redditor.

My mother always says people should only settle down if they wait until they’re fully ready. And that successful marriages and families are more often based on people who were ready taking the best on offer at the time, than on people taking the person they thought was the love of their lives before they were ready.

I agree with your mom. Not everyone can find the love of their lives. And more often then not that love of your life is just not a solid foundation for a successful marriage. You have to “settle” in some sense with a person who has similar values to yours and someone willing to take these issues seriously.

In my position, I’ve always considered it something to talk about before sex. As someone who doesn’t want kids, I wanted the lucky guy to know that in the unlikely event that birth control should ever fail, I would be having an abortion, and if that wasn’t something he was ok with that he shouldn’t really be having sex with me. After 25 or so it became a First-Date-Question, which saved a lot of time in finding my husband, I think!

@virgilia I know why you would think that but it is not a wise choice. A hysterectomy is absolutely nothing like a vasectomy and should only be used as a serious medical intervention not as birth control. A hysterectomy leads to premature menopause with all of its woes- hot flashes, night sweats, headaches, mood instability, anxiety, vaginal dryness, lowered libido, fragile bones and possible early onset of osteoporosis. Not to mention the difficult decision of whether or not to use hormone replacement. These are not slight inconveniences. Remembering to take birth control is no biggie. Not to mention the fact that with a hysterectomy it is very much a done deal. You would truly be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Ashton maybe douchey, but he is VERY well off due to his tech investments. Channing or any other actor probably won’t be to get close to having that kind of wealth. Beyond Demi’s mental/substance abuse issues, I think that this $$ is a big reason Demi is being difficult re: divorce. Star story is probably fake, but babies is definitely something a couple should be on the same page about, or find a way to resolve or dissolve the relationship.

Part of his success is because of the contacts he made THROUGH Demi, and the fact that being with her really elevated his profile at the time. If he made his fortune as a result of being with her, it’s reasonable to at least expect that some of that money be paid to Demi (though goodness knows she has plenty of money). Plus, she’s not exactly in a hurry to finalize their divorce while he’s the one with the girlfriend.

Though I know he’s made money off investments, I tend to think that the image of Ashton Kutcher, venture capitalist, tends to beoverblown for PR sake in the same way that Jessica Simpson, fashion mogul is (no one talks about the fact that she just licensed out her name for a small percentage).

Ordinary? Hardly. Women wish they could look that ordinary. There have been comments on this countless times. All women are not going to look like they are walking the red carpet 24/7. Mila is a beautiful woman. It isn’t the makeup that makes that true.

Rich people can afford to freeze their eggs, in vitro, etc. so it makes sense for someone who is at the top of their game to make as much money as possible before settling down and having children. Regular people, however, have fewer options. I am 30 and just today started looking into freezing my eggs. I don’t know if I will go through with it, but I don’t want to be one of those women who wait until their late 30s or early 40s to decide on having a baby and run into difficulties. That being said, it is expensive and if you are making minimum wage, you won’t be able to afford it.

I’m actually a lot more surprised that more celebrities don’t adopt- you know, the ones that are just worried about their bodies (which is a legitimate worry). They don’t have to go through pregnancy AND they get great pr for adopting.

This is total BS. She had said over and over that in five years she hopes that she already has a family, a life beyond acting. She doesn’t seem to me like ScarJo that is only thinking on the career, Mila seems to want a real life and it is clear to her that to accomplish that you have to move beyond this Hollywood lifestyle.

A “real life” does not necessarily involve children (or even a permanent relationship with a man).
I knew very early in life I never wanted to have children, never changed my mind about that, and couldn’t be happier.
Well, maybe I could – but certainly not with children. Ever.

With real life I mean a grounded life, outside this lifestyle that being an actress can through you to. Obviously it doesn`t involved having kids or being with a partner. But I think that she has being open of not wanting to be in the Hollywood light forever.

For her sake, I hope that’s true. And if it is, he prob. would get a new chic that would fit the description of wife & mother for his fake nice guy image. She’s also being realistic about her career – it’s easier for women to get parts when they’er younger.

I think it is more then obvious the way he has been with her and spent so much time with her in London while she was filming Jupiter Ascending there, and now in Chicago, that he has very strong feelings for her. She has also spent a lot of time with his family in Iowa. Who knows if it will last, but he obviously cares a lot about her.

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