Gregory the Illuminator vs. Brendan the Navigator

And thus it all begins: Ash Thursday is finally upon us. Hang onto your halos as we start “navigating” the bracket and “illuminating” the lives of 32 saints throughout this Lenten season. All are worthy (yes, they have already received their respective crowns of glory) yet only one will attain the coveted Golden Halo.

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Gregory the Illuminator

Gregory the Illuminator, the patron saint of the Armenian Christian Church, was the first person to bring Christianity to Armenia. Born in 257, Gregory’s work as a teacher and missionary was key in making Armenia the first nation to embrace Christianity as its official religion. Situated between the empires of Rome and Parthia (present-day Iran), Armenia was at the center of a power struggle between the two nations and struggled to maintain peaceful relations within and outside its borders.

Legend says that Gregory’s father assassinated the king of Parthia, and as a result, his family was forced into hiding. Gregory’s family sent the young boy to Cappadocia, where the Christian Holy Father Phirmilianos provided instruction in the classical traditions and Christian faith. While under his tutelage, Gregory converted to Christianity, and soon after, he married Miriam, a fellow Christian and the daughter of an Armenian prince. They had two sons together before separating so that Gregory could become a monk, and his wife could become a nun. This may be one of the earliest examples we have of “consciously uncoupling.”

Gregory’s call to monasticism, however, was challenged when the Armenian king discovered Gregory’s location and sought to exact revenge on behalf of his murdered father. Gregory spent twelve years in prison, where he remained committed to his faith and devotional life. The king, Tridates III, finally agreed to release Gregory with the expectation that he could provide peace, wisdom, and stability to the king, who some said had become “like a wild boar” after the Roman Empire had overtaken portions of the Parthian Empire. Tridates eventually converted to Christianity under Gregory’s tutelage, and in 301, Tridates declared Christianity the nation’s official religion and commissioned Gregory to officially spread the gospel across the country.

Despite his call as a missionary and later bishop of the Armenian National Church, Gregory favored the silence of the monastic life. In 318 his son assumed leadership of the Church, and Gregory resumed his life as a hermit until his death in 332 at the age of seventy-four.

Today, we remember Gregory as an “apostle to Armenia” and a faithful example of prayer, devotion, and leadership. He is referred to as the “illuminator” because he brought the light of Christ to the people of Armenia.

Collect for Gregory the Illuminator

Almighty God, whose will it is to be glorified in your saints, and who raised up your servant Gregory the Illuminator to be a light in the world, and to preach the Gospel to the people of Armenia: Shine, we pray, in our hearts, that we also in our generation may show forth your praise, who called us out of darkness into your marvelous light; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever. Amen.

Brendan of Kerry, the Navigator, lived and ministered in Ireland in the sixth century. A disciple of Saint Finian, Brendan is one of the twelve apostles of Ireland. Brendan was born in 484 and lived a long life full of adventure. He earned his title of “Navigator” traversing the British Isles, founding monasteries in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Brittany. After a sixty-five-year ministry, he died at age ninety-four, still praising Jesus and bragging about never stopping to ask for directions.

Saint Brendan is best known for his fabulous sea quest in which he sought the Land of Promise. When he was eighty years old, Brendan’s wanderlust led him to seek the legendary land across the Atlantic Ocean. The story of his journey is found in several ancient works, including the Irish Life of St. Brendan, Latin Fragments of the Life of St. Brendan, and The Voyage of St. Brendan. The works share many literary connections to other Irish sea voyage tales.

The tales are fantastic, with visions of hell, spectacular sea creatures, and encounters with odd island inhabitants (perhaps the oddest being a meeting with Judas Iscariot, condemned to a rock in the middle of the Atlantic). Brendan’s journeys and the description of the mythical Island of Promise (also called Saint Brendan’s Isle) were known by and an inspiration to Christopher Columbus on his voyage across the ocean some nine hundred years later.

Some argue that Brendan actually did successfully traverse the Atlantic Ocean. The geographical descriptions found in the Voyage match features of Iceland, Newfoundland, and Florida. If Brendan did not make the trip himself, it appears that someone in the sixth century had intimate knowledge of the land, flora, and fauna of these areas. Whatever the historicity of his adventures, Saint Brendan lived a long life in service to God, committed to building communities of faith.

Collect for Brendan the Navigator

O God, you have brought us near to an innumerable company of angels, and to the spirits of just people made perfect: Grant us during our earthly pilgrimage to abide in their fellowship, and in our heavenly country to become partakers of their joy; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever. Amen.

247 Comments to "Gregory the Illuminator vs. Brendan the Navigator"

As a Navy family I was all set to vote for St. Brendan, but upon closer inspection I’ve decided a man who brought peace to the Middle East and spent 15 years in a pit of dead bodies unscathed in his faith, sounds exactly like a saint for today.

Attention, SEC. Illumination, please. There is some discrepancy concerning Gregory’s imprisonment. Celebrity Blogger Maria states that it was 12 years while Patrice says it was 15. The former implies that his cellmates were no worse than the usual, i.e. rats.The latter states that they were dead people. Quite a difference. To confuse things, Wikipedia tells us that Gregory was imprisoned for 14 years with no mention of either rats or dead bodies. To boot, snopes.com refuses to address this issue. Is there an official resource for fact checking?

Jane C, it was very thoughtful of you to do your own research on the topic. As with all histories, some discrepencies do appear, so may I be so bold as to suggest that he was in prison somewhere between 12 and 15 years in the company of rats and dead bodies. (I take it that most prisons of that date had both companions) and finally, just to throw in more ambiguity, the New Advent says he had serpents as companions too.

I just finished voting for St. Brendan. For me, it was a no-brainer: not because I have any ill feelings against Gregory (I really don’t know much about him!), but because I’ve been a fan of St. Brendan for decades! I even have a theory about him which I’ll outline here. We all know that Christopher Columbus approached various European monarchs with his plan to get to India by sailing west. They all turned him down, except for Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain. Why? It wasn’t because they figured he’d fall off the edge of a flat earth! Maybe the common peasants believed the earth to be flat, but educated people did not. Eratosthenes had determined the circumfrence of the earth around 200 B.C, and educated people in the Middle Ages studied classical Greek literature. No, they knew, but Columbus did not, how BIG the earth was, and that no fleet of ships could carry sufficient supplies to make the trip. Enter St. Brendan. The evidence indicates that he probably journeyed to the New World. He kept a log, and as a monk, certainly turned it over to his superiors at the Vatican. Spain was the most devoutly Catholic country in Europe, and I think to reward that, the Vatican let the Spanish monarchs in on the little “secret” about North America.﻿

I cannot resist Brendan for these reasons. I am a sailor myself and understand the perils of the sea. I think he was mighty brave. Second my grandson was named Brendan and he is a true adventurer. Quite an active boy who has tried to learn more about Brendan when All Saints Day rolls around. Go Brendan.

I voted for him because I think it’s great that at the age of 80 something he decided on an adventure, but I almost didn’t vote for him because I don’t want to reward male stubbornness at not asking for directions!

Poor Brendan is being maligned!! It’s not that he is stubborn and refused to ask directions, he put total faith in God to take him where God wanted him to go. My most favorite saint for the past 17 years, my vote definitely goes to Brendan the Navigator. That and I do come from a family of sea goers.

A tough choice for me. I have traveled to Armenia twice and once climbed down into the “dungeon” where Gregory was imprisoned. Also, I love the Armenian Apostolic Church! But, I believe Brendan is more a “saint for our time,” a Celtic adventurer who was not afraid to launch out into the deep.

I remember that Bro. Jon Bankert SSF did a wonderful performance piece about Brendan in our beautiful chapel at the Seamen’s Church Institute in New York, barefoot and in his Franciscan habit. It included dance, masks. Jon died eight or ten years ago, I guess. What an amazing gift he was.

All things Celtic here! Only one minor hesitation here. We read that Brendan never “had to ask” for directions. Are we sure that it was because he didn’t NEED them or because he didn’t want to ASK for them?

I saw a great greeting card for Passover: On the front a cartoon of Moses standing before the Children of Israel, waving his arms and yelling “Follow me ! Follow me!” The caption reads “After forty years of wandering in the wilderness, Moses’s wife finally asks for directions.”

As a descendant of Vikings, you must appreciate the probability that it was Brendan who first settled Iceland. Recorded settlement of Iceland has conventionally been dated back to 874 CE, but archaeological evidence indicates Gaelic monks had settled Iceland previously. Who else could it have been?

From Bermuda – the possible rock in the middle of the Atlantic where Brendan landed. Our metal health facility is St. Brendan’s Hospital. My husband, Tony, hates to ask for directions – must be in the genes! Had to vote for St. Brendan!

Gregory transform s lives of people through his love.. He understands what it is to be in fear, in prison , He gave up the trappings of a higher calling . He was happy to live in silence & let go of the responsibility of the leadership of the Church. If only we could recognize what God wants us to do in our own lives & not fight & resist the calling of our ministry. I vote for Gregory the Illuminator , he shines & is on fire for Christainty

It’s Gregory for me. My daughter-in-law is Armenian but that is not the reason for my vote. Anyone who after being imprisoned by the king not only converts the king but then inspires him to make Christianity the official religion of the land (and the first, at that) must have been quite an apostle. He gets my vote.

Gregory for me. His faith and persistence converted a nation. Brendan may have traveled to Iceland, or he may just have hallucinated about seeing Judas Iscariot tied to a rock. Gregory’s work was more important to the church.

Really tough opening choice. It’s so good to be back 🙂 How to decide between a man drawn to inner silence and a man drawn to the wildness of the open seas and the margins of our native islands … Both speak to me, but Gregory seems to be the under dog judging from comments above so he gets my vote today. Besides Gregory the Illuminator is such a cool name.

This year, I have a little more riding on the whole thing, as our parish is participating. I anted up $5, completed a bracket and turned it in. One of my son’s best friends growing up was Brendan…and in my youth, I had a sailboat with my sister and her boyfriend and ventured into the deep. Go Brendan!

Never knew I could be so happy at the arrival of Lent again. I am spreading the Lent Madness practice as much as I can. I almost voted for Brendan because he is Irish like me, but I finally decided that Gregory was a better example for me of how to live a faithful life.

I don’t think I saw where a single man voted for Gregory. Is it because he gave up sex? A curious choice, I agree. But what is it about never asking for directions that makes Brendan so appealing?? I was all about the Irish, but Gregory seemed more saintly to me.

Men have been voting for Gregory. I think I saw five pro Gregory comments from men. Counting myself, that makes six. Doesn’t sound like a lot, but I’m sure the Illuminator has more male partisans who just aren’t commenting.

I’m just back from Dublin where I was reminded by colleagues and friends about the “risk” of asking for directions in Ireland. You’ll definitely get an answer, and it may take you on another journey. Brendan the Navigator is the saint for me.

Definitely Brendan. He reminds me of my husband who will never ask for directions and won’t follow the two GPS devices at hand; only a Rand McNally will do. Also at 65, I love the thought of more adventures after 80. And my husband is a saint for putting up with me.

Illuminator for me – tough call. Though I long to wander the world seeking and spreading the Word, adventuring beyond known lands, the work of Gregory impressed me more. King’s conversion, from a prisoner? Powerful ministry, G – team Gregory today!

Had to support Brendan here, our cat is named for the Saint. Also working in marine science, more connectivity to this water guy. A great start for a new Lent journey. Peace, joy, and keep your stick on the ice.

This year our Diocese is remembering the 100th anniversary of the Armenian genocide. So, I am learning more about the history of this country. Christians were one of the targeted groups during this horrible period. So, while Brendan sounds like a hero, I voted for Gregory who nurtured the faith that sustained so many during the genocide.

If he was transvering the Atlantic before Columbus, who could Brendan have asked for directions since he essentially pioneered the sea before anyone else?. One of my favorite saints since his journeys inspired people to explore the Devine in the natural world by travel. And when you explore the Devine in the world don’t you follow your heart and should to where it takes you? Brendan inspires us to go out and seek a higher spirit and not to just sit in your room. Go out and learn and experience.

I have been waiting all year for Lent Madness to return. I love all the comments and as always, difficult choices to vote on. Looking forward to another eventful Lent Madness. This year I have encouraged the parishioners at Grace Episcopal Church in Bath, ME to participate and many have signed on.

I once wondered what the prophets would say if they spoke today. The surprising answer was “Lighten Up!”. So I will vote for the Illuminator. And thank God for all the enlightenment brought to us by Lent Madness!

Did Brendan have the gift of a GPS in his head? Sounds like it to me. As a Christian woman with many frustrating years experience with a spouse with a GPS in his head and to be contrary I have to vote for Greg with his unfortunate call to celibacy.

Brendan is compelling but my vote is for Gregory. He seems to have been a natural introvert who nonetheless rose to the occasion when called to leadership and still never became drunk on celebrity. His priorities intact through it all, he chose a quiet life of prayer over riches, power, and glory. These reluctant leaders are often the most thoughtful and least corrupt. Society values such people too little!

Armenia hold such a unique position in Christian history, and I feel like its conversion story is one that is not well known here in the U.S., well at least in my low-church protestant upbringing. For that, Gregory gets my vote. Continue to shine on, Gregory!

A vote for Gregory! I’m impressed with his part in “making Armenia the first nation to embrace Christianity as its official religion.” The mention of Armenia rings some memory bell about an atrocity committed there. Yes, many were killed, so jointly in their honor Gregory gets my first vote for 2015 Lent Madness (search Armenian genocide for links, ex: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/timestopics/topics_armeniangenocide.html )

Gregory got my vote in the end……..he had the hardest task…….converting a king and finally a nation to Christ. Also, he married, had two sons, one who carried on his work. Brendan is “hail fellow, well met”, Gregory was a quiet person who got the job done!

As a retired professional mariner, I must vote for The Navigator. It would take courage to cross the Bay of Dingle in a Curragh, let alone the N Atlantic and the Strait of Iceland. God must have had a hand on the tiller. Still, The Illuminator is no slouch. I see a come back in the fourth quarter and a close finish.

Ah, if only the Celts had prevailed at Whitby. And my dear departed paternal side would not be pleased if I’d voted for a brave fellow from Armenia, no matter how illumined, rather than a son of the Sod. Brendan it is.

C’mon! A guy lounging in speedos working on his tan on a luxury liner in a deck chair while sipping his Irish libations…then sniffing and fondling flowers on land…does not exactly sound like a saint worthy of my vote. Puh-leeze people, put down your Brendan Pom Poms and see the light! Vote for Gregory. I did.

OMG! I can only hope that throughout Ash Thursday there will be more followers of Gregory and that our Lent may be inspired by his devotion to silence and monastic practice. That’s an excellent way to begin our Lent!

I was drawn to Brendan because my father was half Irish and he never asked for directions either, somehow navigating a lot of North American fearlessly. He had an innate sense of geography, but didn’t brag about it. He had a map in his mind of every barbeque stand in every almost forgotten southern town, and could navigate to those fearlessly, a skill I still admire. Is any of this saintly — no clue….

As a semi disabled retired 76 year old Priest the Church is in my home as well as everywhere. As a Celt, I have always revered the Celtic understanding of our faith, earthy, yet transcendent. Brendan has always intrigued me. May I in heaven sail with him somewhere within the realm of promise, of faith, hope, and love.

The voyager inward, the voyager outward, and both saints who illuminated paths for many to navigate… Great first match up. Brendan had me at curragh. But I’ll flick my lighter in salute if Gregory wins.

Ok, I had made my decision for Gregory as I opened the page but CHANGED after reading the descriptions. Thank you Maria and David, celebrity bloggers! Still a tough choice, but it’s Brendan for me today.

Even though I was at first leaning toward Gregory the Illuminator because Mannix is Armenian, I decided to vote for Brendan the Navigator because I find the whole “did the Templars (and the Irish monks before them, obviously) discover the New World” genre on the History Channel too compelling. Brendan might also be the patron saint of “crackpottery,” as my Lovely Wife calls it.

Having grown up in Fresno where many of my friends were Armenians I am glad to see this important people and church getting some prominence. For me this was easy, even though now the most prominent rallying cry I hear is Go Irish!

First day and I’m can’t decide yet! Gregory who reminds me of the story of Joseph, was a contemplative, and withdrew from a powerful position or Brendan who willingly faced sea sickness in his call to sail to unknown places (perhaps the unknown part explains never asking for directions, which is generally a really annoying thing to brag on). Okay, I think I’m ready, if I don’t change my mind again before I go back to vote.

One of the criteria that I use in deciding these often difficult Lent Madness contests is whether or not the saint in question actually lived or actually did the things that he or she is most renowned for. Despite my ancestral affection for all things Irish, I’m just not confident that the legends of Brendan the Navigator are real (which is not the same thing as “true”). Whatever the historical Brendan may or may not have accomplished, Gregory inaugurated the oldest Christian kingdom and cultivated a church with about 9,000,000 members today. Therefore, my first vote for Lent Madness 2015 goes to Gregory the Illuminator.

I took the “never asking for directions” phrase as a modern comment, and focused on Brendan building many communities of faith. Also Gregory ditching his wife so he could become a monk? So wrong. I voted for Brendan and faith community building.

Fred Buechner’s novel Brendan, grabbed my soul years ago, such that we named our first son Jeffrey Brendan after him; and after a Sabbatical in Ireland, near the hidden dale of Brendan’s Well, I wrote a novel of the same name… perhaps to see the light of day someday.
No contest on day 1, boyo. It’s Brendan for me, and me for Brendan.

Brendan the Navigator, in honor and memory of our good friend Capt. John S. Marshall, USN (ret.), who died much too soon about a year ago. I hope that he and St. Brendan have enjoyed a long visit with many great stories these past 11 months. Rest in peace, Cap, after “a job well done.”

It’s been Brendan since the “oops” posting a while back. Anyone who could sail the seas in a leather curragh and find land (with a little help from his friends the dolphins) would certainly be noteworthy even if he weren’t Irish.

St Gregory seems the most serious in his life, being, for me, reminiscent of St Paul, and our Master Jesus. St Brendon shouts joy along with his enthusiasm for his task, founding monasteries and seeking new Christians by testing boundaries. The two seem like opposites except for their gospel fervor.

As a professional sailor committed to saving lives at sea and a member of a coastal Maine Chirch, this was an easy one. Never mind that I too have occasionally embellished a good story and have had fantastical adventures. St. Brendan, I’m coming to join you one day…with God’s help.

Full disclosure – Gregory got my vote. BUT – since there are a lot of Brendan enthusiasts here, I thought you might want to check out The Irish and Celtic Music Podcast this week. In the show posted yesterday, #196, there is a song at 42:44 called “St. Brendan’s Fair Isle”. Seems fortuitously timed!

Both cool guys, and the idea that Gregory is ‘iconic’ presently as a model for working for peace in the middle east is worth focus. Yet, as most of my forebears are Irish, because he took to the sea in little boats, genes and poetry say ‘go with Brendan. Also, Christy Moore wrote this great Brendan song which i’ve always loved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWPMnWaA2U

Our class of 27 thoughtfully debated who we would vote for. Both Saints have admirable qualities, and most certainly loved our Lord. However fifteen of my 27 decided that Gregory did the most to shine the light of Christ into a darkened world. His life sparked a discussion as to whether or not the fact that his father supposedly killed the King of Parthia should factor in to which saint to vote for. General consensus was that Gregory should not have to “pay for” his father’s sin. We are loving LENT MADNESS!!!

I can’t vote for a guy that has two kids with his wife and then he and his wife abandon the kids, decide to split up and join religious orders. How old were the kids when they did that? Did Gregory’s wife become a nun because he was leaving her, or was this her decision? It’s Brendan for me.

I am Irish (by way of Canada and marriage) AND I taught 2nd grade in an Armenian school (Hovsepian) in Pasadena for over 20 years, so I was caught on the horns of a dilemma. I chose St. Gregory to receive my vote–the Armenian people are nothing short of amazing when you learn their history. (The school is part of the Western Diocese of the Armenian Church and is located on the property of St. Gregory the Illuminator Armenian Church in Pasadena, CA.) Onward, St. Gregory!

Brendan’s my man, but he missed out on a lot of fun in Ireland by NOT asking for directions. I have found it worthwhile to get lost on those Irish roads just to be able to ask for directions from those wonderful Irish people!

While I am not wildly enthusiastic about either of these two guys, being a quarter Irish, I had to vote for the Irishman — Brendan the Navigator. A lot of those stories are just like what the Irish would come up with, with a definite twinkle in the eye!!!!! Celtics UNITE!

Gregory for Sure! His efforts led to Armenia being the First Nation to become officially Christian. He created the Armenian alphabet to translate the Bible into Armenian–and began thevArmenian tradition of a learned clergy. No contest at all

I was *so* hoping that “The Illuminator” referred to the creation – or at least the patronage – of beautiful illuminated works. The written Word is central to much of Christendom, and anyone who is known for creating beautiful works of writing should be celebrated.

So, imagine my disappointment when “The Illuminator” was simply refering to bringing the light of Christ to a new area of the world. Every Christian in the Very Early Church [TM] (circa AD 50-350) (and yes, I just made up that division of time, just go with it)….everyone in the VEC was basically doing just that – bringing the first illumination to their part of the world. So…EVERYONE in Gregory’s time should have the moniker “The Illuminator” tagged to their name.

Which is a long way ’round in explaining why I voted for Brendan. Besides, anyone who can get 17 other monks crammed into a small boat like that and not have it capsize is a winner in my book.

As a former sailing crewmember, I also voted for Brendan. But now I am regretting my vote already. I feel I should have voted for Gregory, who was imprisoned for his faith. This is what I do every year for Lent Madness. Cast my vote, then immediately change my mind! The saints are so inspiring!

A very tough call for the first day of 2015! Both let the light of Christ shine through them in the face of fear, bodily danger, and great adversity. Both dwelled in foreign lands. Both followed their calling to places they did not necessarily want to go. It’s a toss up, so……

I had to go with Brendan the Navigator because he spread Christ’s word through several countries, built churches and monasteries in the known countries. Then after that he decided to sail at the age of 80 to sail the world! I had to vote for him just for the fact that he helped bring Christianity to many different people.

For a first timer, this a fascinating vehicle of study, thanks to very creative providers! Fr Gregory is exceptional competition for Capt Brendan, but our oldest grandson is also Brendan so my choice was made even before reading!

I went with Gregory as he helped establish the first Christian nation even before Constantine. At first I was leaning towards Brendan as he was the intrepid sort, but then balked at the meeting with Judas Iscariot (who we know was good and dead many, many years before) as being a little too over the top.

Brendan’s my saint. Sailing/boating began for me at age 3 in a rowboat on a lake. Being in a boat on any body of water is still the spiritual place where I most clearly experience God. And, anyone with the courage to go out on the oceans at 81 gets my vote.

Although I voted for Gregory, I wondered what happened to the kids when he and the missus “uncoupled” to pursue religious orders.
Looking back on having been mother of many, I wonder why I didn’t think of that escape route.

I voted for Brendan, but had to do a lot of navigating this year to discover how to vote. Could you (all) make it clearer that to vote you have to click on the link that names the saints in the bracket? Thanks!

Let me get this straight: Gregory and his wife have two sons, then go their separate ways so that they can become a monk and a nun? How bad was that marriage? He doesn’t sound like a saint, he sounds like an opportunist. I vote for Brendan and his Lincoln Navigator.

My one experience with Brendan the Navigator is a church named St. Brendan’s in Juneau, AK. With all the traveling I did on the water in Alaska, I owe it to St. Brendan for watching over me in the 8 years in Alaska. My vote goes to the Navigator. The irony of this is that the church is an Episcopal church whereas St. Brendan is not recognized in HWHM and Gregory the Illuminator is.

As a proud Mc-, I usually go for the Celts when I am in doubt. However, I have no doubt that St. Gregory deserves to have a brighter spotlight on his contributions to the church, so I went with him. The Celts always get their day, but how often does Armenia get a champion?

Just like the older guy to head for Florida – Seriously, had to vote for Gregory the Illuminator – despite some secondary discrepancies, it is clear to me that his efforts to keep Christianity (and himself) alive at a time and place where both were very difficult overshadow St. Brendan. Besides, I get seasick.

While Brendan seems to be the “sexier” pick (Irish, sailor, man of men, etc.), this really shouldn’t even be close. Is Brendan the St. Patrick of Ireland? No. Is Gregory the St. Patrick of Armenia? Most certainly. Taking on 2 empires, imprisonment, and to sum up perfectly- responsible for “the first nation to embrace Christianity as its official religion”. The Illuminator all the way. I’m out. Microphone drops.

Those people in Brendan’s boat look pretty terrified while Brendan strikes a “What, me worry?” pose. Does that mean “I don’t want no stinkin’ directions. Who carse where we go? I’ll keep my head in the sand.” or is it a depiction of his faith and confidence that God will help him find the way? I may be leaning toward Gregory but will waffle until the deadline is upon us.

Those people in Brendan’s boat look pretty terrified while Brendan strikes a “What, me worry?” pose. Does that mean “I don’t want no stinkin’ directions. Who carse where we go? I’ll keep my head in the sand.” or is it a depiction of his faith and confidence that God will help him find the way? I may be leaning toward Gregory but will waffle until the deadline is upon us.
Met Judas Iscariot on a rock in the middle of the ocean? I won’t believe that until Brian Williams confirms it and says he was there, too.

Yes, Gregory’s struggles were in the Middle East, which has never been for the faint of heart, and I would have voted for him had he managed to bring lasting peace. Unfortunately, he came up a bit short. 😀

Easy peasy today since I had already read through and made my decision when this round was inadvertantly sent out in error sometime ago. It’s great to read everyone’s comments though. Looks like its going to be a great deason.

Tough call on Day 1! Both men spent their final years living out an adventure, albeit in different ways. As a transplanted (from Georgia) Floridian, I could lean toward Brendan, but the perseverance from imprisonment to evangelizing a king and later a nation speaks too eloquently to ignore. Jesu, Lux Mundi.

I was told as I child I was English, Welsh, Scots and Scots-Irish and Native American in ancestry. I really wanted to be Irish. Then I had genealogical DNA testing done and discovered that whatever else was in the ancestral mix, my deep DNA roots in the male line are IRISH. My life was transformed by knowing that I no longer had to pretend to be Irish on St. Patrick’s day, or fall under the rubric of “Well Everyone’s Irish on St. Patrick’s Day” no, I am real, DNA ratified Irish. Having discovered my true native identity, I had to vote for the home team, so St. Brendan it was. You can sign me by newly modified name: Donald Andrew Patrick Brendan Columcille o’Lowery. I also discovered that Lowry’s Bar (my family once spelled it without the ‘e’) in Clifton, County Galway, has the largest selection of fine Irish Whiskey’s in the world. I hope to visit and I hope I am related. I also discovered Jesus is Irish. The clergy, distributing the sacrament each Sunday prove it when they say, “The Body O’Christ, the bread of Heaven.” I am sure the family was Joseph O’Christ, Mary O’Christ and that sweet little Christmas child, Jesus O’Christ.

It may be that the winner will be the result of how many extroverts versus introverts vote since the powerful interior life that St. Gregory experienced seems to oppose the equally powerful exterior life that Brendan lived reflecting the wholly dichotomous world we live in. How does one choose? One is not better than the other….just different and equally important. That reminds me of that thought about making decisions based on being “Either/Or” versus “Both/And”.

Gregory got my vote. So many folk identify with Brendan, though — shared love of the sea, an affinity for parquet, male obstinence, legendary legerdemain. He’s way ahead in the voting, and the fat lady is clearing her throat.

Why Gregory? I’m not Armenian, but have been called Arminian. (Calvinists have their TULIP, we have our daisy — He loves me, He loves me not). I’ve not been that way, but have read great books by Michael Chabon and Mikhail Lermontov about the region. I’m not sure about Chalcedon, either. but Gregory died before that schism. I guess my biggest reason for voting was the similarity of his life story with the DeNiro half of Godfather II. Including the nepotism.

Some more on Brendan from the biography of the king he brought to faith. A messy story. Note the king Bredan’s father killed was Armenian, not Parthian.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiridates_III_of_Armenia
In any case, I am a man who thinks it wise to ask directions, on occasion, and cheerfully vote for the Apostle to Armenia.

As we close in on my favorite Saint’s day, Saint David, I must vote for Brendan since he is credited with helping bring the Christian faith to the land of my Welsh Ancestors: the awesome nation of Wales!

Brendan~ an inspiration to all of us with a song in our hearts, the wind in our hair, and just a wee bit of crazy in our souls!
Brendan for the Golden Halo!!!
“Come my friends~ T’is not to late to seek a newer world…
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will,
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield!” (Tennyson)

As to the number of the Gregory’s imprisonment years, it is really approximate. I would say “about 15” because there is no exact date for his custody’s beginning and release (discharge?). He returned to Armenia in 287 and was persecuted; Christianity was adopted in 301. So, he spent maximum around 15 years imprisoned. To the best of my knowledge, there is no record of specific dates.

I once taught a Sunday School class. A suggested activity was looking up the meaning of each child’s name. One boy was named Brendan, another Calvin. I found that Calvin means “bald”, and Brendan means “stinking hair”. I did not choose to do the activity. Voted for Brendan anyway – probably not much shampooing on that boat.

I voted for Brendan, too. I saw your comment and thought you may be interested in watching this video of Tim Severin’s journey – http://digital.films.com/play/GTKWAY. It helped me to make my decision to vote for Brendan.

I’ve know 2 marriages where the couple were of the cloth and were excommunicated for marrying. But this is the first I’ve known about a couple divorcing, which is sinful in the Catholic Church, to become celebate clergy. Hmmm. Which one is the more sacrificial? Another mystery of faith. As an Episcopalean, I vote for the illuminator who had to give up sex to do his job, over the navigator who was having too much fun traveling around to do his job without the burden of marital concerns.

I voted for Brendan, even though he never asked directions. My take is that he really didn’t but that doesn’t mean he knew where he was going, does it? That may be why he went so far and wide. His saving grace, in my estimation, is that he carried the Good News with him.

Did anyone else have difficulty with the definitive guide for Gregory the Illuminator?
1. Gregory’s father assassinated the king of Parthia.
2. The king of Armenia sought revenge for his father ( I suppose the king of Parthia).
3. Tridates III , the wild boar and king of Armenia, released Gregory with the expectation of Gregory restoring peace after Rome had annexed part of Parthia.
I’m confused. Were Gregory and his father Partian or Armenian? Why was the king of Armenia so crazy when portions of Parthia were overcome by Rome?
I voted for Brendan. He may not have asked directions, but I could follow his write up.

It distresses me how many people were tormented and killed, and how many wars were fought trying to superimpose one’s religion on another people and their culture. I don’t think the Prince of Peace had this in mind when he told us to “Love thy neighbor.” He demonstrated what he meant as he healed the sick, fed the poor and gave the Sermon on the Mount.

And YES, I too presumed that Gregory was an Illuminating Scribe in a monastery.

Well, I was surprised to find that Gregory was an illuminator of Armenia, rather than of manuscripts! From my 21st century Western perspective, I’m not thrilled by the official state religion thing (although how interesting that we only ever hear about Constantine in terms of making Christianity legal & official), nor by the “son of the bishop taking over the bishopric” (this is part of the reason that Roman Catholic priests are celibate). I really like the Cappadocian influence, and his deep orientation towards the monastic life of prayer, though.

But perhaps the biggest reason I’m voting for St. Gregory, the illuminator and patron saint of Armenia, is that about ten years ago, I had a theology/spirituality email penpal who was Armenian Orthodox. By her encouragement and example, she introduced me to a devotion to the saints, not only or even primarily as intercessors, but as companions in my daily struggles. She reminded me that the great cloud of witnesses was always available to me, as listeners, as exemplars, and as companions in my daily struggles; that I could look for saints who had practiced, struggled, or succeeded at things that I was struggling with, and be assured of their companionship. I remember one time in particular, when I was very overwhelmed by the yardwork I had to do, I thought of her advice, and remembered that St. Benedict had placed a high value on manual labor in his Rule. So as I worked away, pulling up weeds and trimming hedges and raking up the mess and all that, I talked to St. Benedict about it, and thought about his life, and felt supported.

So in honor of my penpal Janine, St. Gregory of Armenia gets my vote.

I do love the icon of St. Brendan; though those monks look pret-ty nervous!! Maybe they’re not so sure of his piloting skills. 🙂

I voted for Brendon, not because I’m Irish (I’m English, Scots, and German) but because as a United Methodist I cherish his willingness to itinerate in order to follow God’s call. At age 77, I also need his example of continuing to have adventures in God’s service at an advanced age. Also, as a married clergy, I don’t understand Gregory’s and his wife’s decision to end their marriage in order to serve God. I feel called to marriage as well as to ministry, and the marriage occurred first, before the call to ministry.

Quite a few people seem to be taking Brendan’s boasting about not asking for directions as fact, or at least as an authentic tradition, and voting for him because of it. I assumed it was a humorous note added by the Celebrity Author. Was I mistaken?

I was all set to vote for Brenda until I saw that he “inspired Columbus”. The Episcopal Church has apologized for the Doctrine of Discovery but for some it seems those are just words. Shame on you David for your colonialist insensitivity.

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