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There is definitely good reasons to keep funding away from ME/CFS.
Health Canada and CIHR breached their policy when they did not provide expert peer reviewers, instead they supplied psych bias reviewers who ignored the evidence based scientific studies and turned down the $600,000 Catalyst Grant in August 2016. It has been almost 2 years and haven’t seen the money return to the table. It could have been as I have been out of the loop. (Self preservation) It was sad when CIHR Foundation Grant Program got reduced in 2017 from $200 million to $125 million then $100 million, and transferred over to projects. Has any of that money been awarded or promised to ME/CFS? Cheers!

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It may be worse than mere conspiracy theory: I am wondering if what @Annikki posted here might be construed as hate speech (which is illegal).

When these conspiracy theories first emerged that there was some plot to hide a positive XMRV finding in ME/CFS, these theories incited a huge amount of anger in the ME/CFS world, and as a result, a UK virologist who published one of the first of many negative results regarding XMRV in ME/CFS, started receiving a barrage of hate email, full of violent comments that verged on death threats.

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Is it possible those retrovirus proteins could have been from bovine leukemia virus — recent research found at least 1 in 3 of the general population are infected with this retrovirus. This virus is present in raw milk, and may have transmitted into human populations in the era before milk was pasteurized.

The only retroviruses I am aware that infect humans are HIV-1, HIV-2, HTLV 1 to 4, human foamy virus (which may possibly be linked to autoimmune disorders such as myasthenia gravis, multiple sclerosis and Graves’ disease), mouse mammary tumor virus (linked to breast cancer), and more recently it has been discovered that bovine leukemia virus (BLV) exists in at least 33% of humans (and does have immunosuppressive effects, at least in cows).

It may be worse than mere conspiracy theory: I am wondering if what @Annikki posted here might be construed as hate speech (which is illegal).

When these conspiracy theories first emerged that there was some plot to hide a positive XMRV finding in ME/CFS, these theories incited a huge amount of anger in the ME/CFS world, and as a result, a UK virologist who published one of the first of many negative results regarding XMRV in ME/CFS, started receiving a barrage of hate email, full of violent comments that verged on death threats.

Ouch! Of course not. Respectfully, I was merely offering a point of view on how deep an outside influence could drill down into journal ethics, design, regulatory bodies corrupted by well placed experts, etc. Members are open minded and free to choose which version they believe. I missed the hate speech part could you quote it? Natural News is reporting on issues that mainstream doesn’t dare, so some credit there. US Right to Know performs freedom of information requests and in the last few weeks have layed out some pretty damning documents aquired from those requests, naming organizations, doctors, EPA,, etc. Pretty elaborate “conspiracy” theory when you read the documents, and how easy it is to push an agenda even when the end result is making people very very sick. https://usrtk.org/pesticides/mdl-monsanto-glyphosate-cancer-case-key-documents-analysis/

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Hate speech is where you incite others to commit violence or harmful actions against an individual or group.

Suggesting as @Annikki did throughput this thread that there was a conspiracy to cover up positive XMRV findings (for which there is no evidence) and implicating people like Lipkin and presumably other researchers who published a negative XMRV studies is dangerous talk, as it may lead to some ME/CFS patients to committing harmful actions against these researchers.

Such harmful actions were committed by the ME/CFS community when the negative XMRV studies first began to get published — see this post.

The stance of Natural News is irresponsible: their general narrative is that herbs and vitamins are just as effective at treating disease than pharmaceuticals, which is nonsense. I have a big interest in using supplements, but I don't pretend that supplements can generally replace pharmaceuticals.

My own ME/CFS was preceded by a severe chronic organophosphate pesticide poisoning in my own home (organophosphates increase the risk of ME/CFS), so I am all too familiar with the dangers of pesticides, and how especially when sold to developing countries, manufacturers are very irresponsible when it comes to educating farmers of the dangers and providing protective clothing, etc. Thousands of children in countries like India are turned in mental health cripples because of severe organophosphate exposure damaging their brains.

However, you argument seems to be that because bad things like this exist, therefore such bad things must have happened in the XMRV story. But that's a non sequitur.

Thanks. I believe it is possible, not that it must have happened. I definitely do not support hate speech, and do not want to see anyone tarred and feathered. I do not know anything about Dr. Lipkin other than the lawsuit of alleged sexual misconduct rhealm. Sorry to hear of your pesticide poisoning. I am curious, are you highly sensitive to toxins now? If so, which foods bother you?

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Not really, I don't have any allergy or MCAS component to my ME/CFS; in fact after developing ME/CFS I actually lost my lifelong gluten intolerance, so that I can eat wheat now.

I was also hit with a viral infection not long after the pesticide poisoning. I think the virus is the main culprit, but it is possible the organophosphate exposure also played a role in triggering my ME/CFS, as a study in Scotland found 4 times the prevalence of ME/CFS among farmers regularly exposed to organophosphate though sheep dipping. It's pesticides and biotoxins (like mold or cyanobacteria) that are the toxins most linked to ME/CFS.

Stop the harm. Start the research and treatment.

It has been almost 2 years and haven’t seen the money return to the table. It could have been as I have been out of the loop. (Self preservation) It was sad when CIHR Foundation Grant Program got reduced in 2017 from $200 million to $125 million then $100 million, and transferred over to projects. Has any of that money been awarded or promised to ME/CFS? Cheers!

Not really, I don't have any allergy or MCAS component to my ME/CFS; in fact after developing ME/CFS I actually lost my lifelong gluten intolerance, so that I can eat wheat now.

I was also hit with a viral infection not long after the pesticide poisoning. I think the virus is the main culprit, but it is possible the organophosphate exposure also played a role in triggering my ME/CFS, as a study in Scotland found 4 times the prevalence of ME/CFS among farmers regularly exposed to organophosphate though sheep dipping. It's pesticides and biotoxins (like mold or cyanobacteria) that are the toxins most linked to ME/CFS.