February 1, 2011 (7)

-mention contemporary naturalist view of love. Love as pair bonding plus culture. Love of children as expressions of the code.
-add Agathon's speech to our table.

Small Group Exercise

Taking into consideration our thought experiment from last class (Out of 100 or 1000 people that you are sexually attracted to, how many could you imagine having a successful long term relationship with? -- Assume that you both have similar and good relationship skills, etc.). But then try to move your discussion to connect with the early speech of the symposium. Is there one love or two? Is love a narrow phenomena of relationship or a broader force in nature or beyond nature?

Socrates Questioning of Agathon

Is love love of something?

Love loves that which he/she has need of.

You don't need something you already have.

C: Love is the pursuit of something we have need of.

Does our need of the Good cover all cases of genuine love?

"Desire has a structure of absence."

Empiricism

the epistemological position that the evidence of our sense is the source of certainty of objective knowledge.

Great strength of this position is the inter-subjective certainty of observation.

Problem: What is the relationship between our empirical representation of reality and "mind-independent" reality?

Story of the Origin of Love:Origin of Love from Penia and Poros, description

Love is a lover of wisdom. Love is not so much being loved, but being a lover.

What does the lover of beautiful things desire? - to possess the beloved, why?, (note substitution of "good"), to achieve happiness. 205A

Problem of the scope of the word love - like "poesis"

206B: Love is wanting to possess the good forever. ""This, then, is the object of love," she said. "In view of that, how do people pursue it if they are truly in love? What do they do with the eagerness and zeal we call love? What is the real purpose of love? Can you say?"

The purpose of love is to give birth in beauty, whether in body or soul.

Note the kind of immortality we can have -- to participate in an ongoing process. (examples: education, accumulation of wealth and culture, philanthrophy)

207E: interesting view of person through life span. Always changing. Body and soul. Studying is the answer! (208A) motivated by desire to be remembered. immortality of a sort.

Destiny of those pregnant in soul -- the Scala Amoris! 210B and following.

"So when someone rises by these stages, through loving boys correctly, and begins to see this beauty, he has almost grasped his goal. This is what it is to go aright, or be lead by another, into the mystery of Love: one goes always upwards for the sake of this Beauty, starting out from beautiful things and using them like rising stairs: from one body to two and from two to all beautiful bodies, then from beautiful bodies to beautiful customs, and from customs to learning beautiful things, and from these lessons he arrives in the end at this lesson, which is learning of this very Beauty, so that in the end he comes to know just what it is to be beautiful. " 211B

"But how would it be, in our view," she said, "if someone got to see the Beautiful itself, absolute, pure, unmixed, not polluted by human flesh or colors or any other great nonsense of mortality, but if he could see the divine Beauty itself in its one form?"

2/8/2011

The Epistemic Status of Science

The Schick and Vaughn reading is meant to give us a common background understanding of contemporary science. We've been studying epistemology in connection with both classical philosophy (Plato, 5th cent. bc) and modern philosophy (Descartes, mid-17th cent), so it seems like a good time to connect with a contemporary understanding of science.

Some key points from that reading:

Presuppositions: (1) The world has a determinate structure, (2) we can know that structure, and (3) this knowledge is available to everyone.

Goal of method is to find principles that are explanatory and predictive.

No mechanical method for generating hypotheses: "The atomic theory of matter, for example, postulates the existence of atoms. All of the data upon which the atomic theory rests, however, can be described without mentioning atoms. Since scientific I hypotheses often introduce concepts not found in their data, there can be no mechanical procedure for constructing them."

-distinguishes scientific method from experimental method. "In general, any procedure that serves systemtically to eliminate reasonable grounds for doubt can be considered scientific. "

Theory and (Reality)

"Predictions can be derived from a hypothesis only in conjunction with a background theory." 167

Philip Kitcher -- hypotheses only tested in bundles.

Columbus example, ships on horizon. could save the theory by postulating bent light.

Historical flat earther, Parallex, and ad hoc reasoning.

Example of successful ad hoc reasoning in the discovery of Neptune. Had to be there.

2/10/2011

Reviewing Study Questions

We'll look at a few study questions and consider a way of collaborating on notes for study questions.

Paper Workshop

We should review a few of our methods in light of the two paper topics:

Method

Philosophy of Love topic

Epistemology topic

Observation

notice the kinds of facts about people that Symp. speakers want to account for

Spend some time on your own experience of love(s): family, friends, intimate partners.

How do people use the word "knowledge"

What does observation "disclose" about reality?

In what sense do we "see" abstract objects like triangles?

Distinguishing senses

Good and bad loves

Pregnancy of body/soul

Types of knowledge

Levels of certainty

Qualities of experience (primary/secondary)

Focus on Argument and Explanation

Socrates argument from the nature of desire.

Plato's arguments for seeing reality in terms of the divided line.

Arguments for various claims about the sources of knowledge.

Explanations for false knowledge (deception of senses)

Finding Entailments

If love is desire and desire is pursuit of what you don't have, then love can't be the fullness and possession of beauty.

If we only know our representations of knowledge, then...

Theorizing from current Knowledge

Consider different ways of accounting for Love, especially Christian and naturalist.

Does our current understanding of science support a particular model of epistemology?

Using thought experiments

Getting your theorizing off the ground:

Focus on some things you are sure of and then begin to explore the basis of your certainty (in light of readings also).

Line up some of the theories or points of view that you've read about and consider their strengths and weaknesses (you have to do this for study questions anyway). Can you think of ways to combine parts of theories to avoid problems? Are the S&W really significant?

Imagine and reconstuct challenges and objections to your view and respond to them. (This is really important and part of the function of groups in philosophy. Maieutics!)

Acknowledge limits and areas where you don't have answers, but try to say what the limit is about and why it's there.

Main supports: Evidence of introspection, posibility of language, math,

Main issue: interactionism. Descartes postulated "animal spirits"

Substance dualists' difference with modern science -- even if dualism is true, D's division seems off. "Electrons, for example, are bits of matter; but our best current theories describe the electron as a point-particle with no extension whatever(it even lacks a determinate spatial position). And according to Einstein's theory of gravity, an entire star can achieve this same status, if it under-goes a complete gravitational collapse. If there truly is a division between mind and body, it appears that Descartes did not put his finger on the dividing line.": p. 265

Popular Dualism: person as "ghost in machine"

Might be more plausible since it could be thoroughly interactionist. maybe just some other form of energy. Also, might allow for survival of death.

Property Dualism: All is material, but brain realizes special properties.

Properties like "having a sesation of red, thinking that P, desiring Q...etc. Properties are "emergent" "solid, colored, alive" irreducible in some sense.

Epihenomenalism: idea that consciousness takes place "above the phenomena" of brain activity. Effect of brain but not causal.

Appeals because it seems close to science of brain and yet accounts for 1st person experience.

Typically, dualist has to claim that mental properties are irreducible (or not dualism, right?), but seems odd to say properties are emergent but not reducible. So some say mental properties are real like physical ones. "Elemental-property dualism" But analogy to electromagnetic force not promising.

Arguments for dualism

Religious belief

Introspection, language

Irreducibility

Explanation of parapsychological events.

Arguments against dualism

Ockham's Razor (not fatal since no one can explain everything about csness)

Explanatory Impotence

Explanatory power of neurosciences (dualist could allow brain big role and still hold out for central capacities to be non-physical)

Argument from evolutionary history.

Siderits, Buddhism as Philosophy

Chapter 1 really just sets the stage for Siderits philosophical treatment of Buddhism. He needs to acknowledge that Buddhism is both like and unlike a religion from a western, judeo-christian perspective. His approach is to identify some of the religious dimensions of Buddhism, but also to claim that Buddhism can be studied as a philosophy because it's central claims are not revealed, but intended to be treated as truths that can be investigated and surpassed.

Buddhism is like JC religions:

Unlike JC religions:

Background Issue: How do we distinguish religion from non-religion? end state,