Itachi could defeat Non-Rinnegan Tobi/Obito??? Fuq out of here! OBITO Shits on him!!!

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God of Wind, I like you and you seem like a good dude, and I usually agree with most of your perspectives. However, Tobi was not making a general statement about Itachi, he was specifically referring to the amaterasu he planted in Sasuke. If Itachi knew he had a counter for amaterasu, he would have died. It is not a broad statement about Itachi in general. Tobi knows way more about the sharingan and the Uchiha's, so much in fact that he secretly taught Itachi before the massacre.http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/385/16
As for Itachi and Sasuke's genjutsu battle, they both just stood there as they both tried to sway the genjutsu in their favor. It wasn't a matter of seconds, it was like a couple of minutes. It took a couple chapters in fact.http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/385/13
So 1v1 Tobi takes it. Itachi doesn't have a good enough counter to Tobi's jutsus, or a way to even hurt him really. He will just wait him out until he's blind.

why would he kill someone he can use? itachi is just like any other akatsuki members, tobi recruits them to gather the tailed beast for him. so stfu, your izanami took forever to activate and that will cost itachi 1 eye. tobi will kamui his ass even before the preparation is complete.

exploding clone would do nothing against tobi, he'll just become intangible once he notice explosion.

itachi's intelligence didn't help him eliminate tobi. he sets the trap on sasuke's eyes but still failed to kill him.

are you ****in retarded?! konan's paper bombs blew off tobi's arm! itachi's exploding clone would definitely work! you should be the last one calling people fanboy.take tobi's d*ck out your mouth before you talk you ****in tobi fanboy

I actually can't believe Itachi is superior to Tobi, I know he is liked but come on man, it takes very specific tools to beat Tobi, none of which Itachi has, Tobi's knowledge of the sharingan far surpasses Itachi's and as already proved by the OP, he is superior in pretty much everything else apart from maybe versatility.

I see that the Itachi fans have rallied and are attacking this poll and thread with full force

It's honestly not that hard to see that Obito is stronger than Itachi, healthy or sick. Obito just has a superior MS technique compared to Itachi. The only thing that Itachi has that Obito doesn't have is Susanoo, and his intangibility counters that

Itachi fanboys, please riddle me this. Itachi didn't try to kill Obito once when he was alive. Say hypothetically he couldn't because he was too young/sick. So, when he was revived via Edo Tensei, why did he go after Kabuto instead of Obito? Was it because he knew he couldn't take on Obito? Was it because he thought Kabuto was Ororchimaru and thought he could kick his ass easily like he did before? I would really like to know the answer

And don't tell me Itachi knew Obito had the Rinnegan and couldn't beat him because of that, because he didn't know Obito had the Rinnegan. He went after Kabuto, and left Obito for Naruto and Bee, so why did he do that?

I see that the Itachi fans have rallied and are attacking this poll and thread with full force

It's honestly not that hard to see that Obito is stronger than Itachi, healthy or sick. Obito just has a superior MS technique compared to Itachi. The only thing that Itachi has that Obito doesn't have is Susanoo, and his intangibility counters that

Itachi fanboys, please riddle me this. Itachi didn't try to kill Obito once when he was alive. Say hypothetically he couldn't because he was too young/sick. So, when he was revived via Edo Tensei, why did he go after Kabuto instead of Obito? Was it because he knew he couldn't take on Obito? Was it because he thought Kabuto was Ororchimaru and thought he could kick his ass easily like he did before? I would really like to know the answer

And don't tell me Itachi knew Obito had the Rinnegan and couldn't beat him because of that, because he didn't know Obito had the Rinnegan. He went after Kabuto, and left Obito for Naruto and Bee, so why did he do that?

First about kabuto: His intention was to stop edo tensie since it would have made a more impact on the war....allowed the fodder 11 to join battle.

Second about itachis MS being inferior: Itachi poses eyes that have abilities similar to the strongest uchiha to date.... No way in hell is obitos MS as strong...

Third about S/T: There is no way in hell that Obito will be able to capture itachi when minato screwed obito through intelligence...(Itachi is proven to be smartest in this whole manga..)

Do you really think Obito will just easily catch Itachi? Are you really that ignorant? It makes sense when you hate gets in the way and intentionally leave out the fact of itachi being the smartest man in this manga... (Having brains does allot).

Example: Kakashi had a plan to bust obitos mask off and it worked...

Kakashi didn't even have a chance when it came to planning ahead through battle against itachi..

And once again...Your ignorance makes every single point you tried to make useless...Let me say why....Izanami....What does a power hungry uchiha have to do against such a haxed tech? Don't even dare say izanagi..that shit is not gonna help at all...

Note: To all the idiots who say itachi has no speed feats....He was able to keep up with km naruto....

and instantly appear behind bee...like it was nothing...

Again....TobI has said many times that his plan was delayed by itachi...why?....He knew itachi was capable of destroying it...

Hope I cleared some of the ignorance that you seem to have in this manga...Thanks..

First about kabuto: His intention was to stop edo tensie since it would have made a more impact on the war....allowed the fodder 11 to join battle.

I won't argue your other points, it would be pointless for me to do that. But O.K. take away the hypothetical situation about Itachi being too young/sick, and answer me why Itachi didn't kill Obito when he was alive

As for Edo Itachi, I disagree that Edo Tensei was more of threat that Obito, because after Nagato was sealed, Itachi would have figured that Kabuto's strongest Edo Tensei was eliminated (he thought Madara was Obito). Also Itachi would have known that a reincarnated Orochimaru was most likely behind Edo Tensei (he was partially right). Itachi kicked Orochimaru's ass two times before because he sucks against genjutsu, and Edo Tensei could have waited with Nagato eliminated, and Itachi along with Naruto and Bee could have easily gone to Obito first and killed him. But instead Itachi took the "easier" route and decide not to engage Obito. I think that Itachi knew that he wasn't as good as Obito, and knew that he would be better suited fighting Orochimaru , whom he had beaten twice before

In Itachi's defense though, he was tricked into believing that Obito was almighty Madara. And although Obito isn't quite at Madara's level, he's still currently the second most powerful character in the manga

oh no its you again...we argued about this a few days ago.
-first of all, obito was impersonating madara at the time,thats why he stated he wanted revenge on the uchiha clan you dumbass.he really didnt wanted to get revenge so your the one thats not reading the manga retard.

-secondly, your right, obito recruited itachi in akatsuki bc he was a great canidate but can you please tell me atleast one order itachi followed in the group? nothing. he did nothing while he was in akatsuki,he didnt even capture not one tail beast. it was impossible for nagato or tobi to boss around or control itachi. learn to think before you post shit you retard

-lastly, it wasnt tobi's plan to make sasuke stronger. him using sasuke just came as a bonus from itachi's death.i bet you cant even show me not one manga page where tobi says that his plan was to make sasuke stronger.

im ****in tired of you.you come here and act like you know everything when actually you are making up false facts with your retarded ideas and opinions. gtfo of here,your just another tobi/kamui fanboy.

1. lol, where did you get that? obito didn't really want that? lol he's moving on his own without madara ofcourse everything he planned he wants it. he even attack his own master minato, what makes you think he doesn't want to harm his own clan? story wll be unveiled soon, it will show us how obito become like that.

and it doesn't matter if tobi is impersonating madara, because its also part of madara's plan, and madara's plan is also tobi's plan. bottom line is tobi made a good use of itachi that time and up until his death.

2. lol again ignorance. you missed the part where kisame and itachi captured the 5 tails, itachi and kisame helped akatsuki buy some time and fight kakashi and naruto with their clone that was made by nagato. they are doing every order nagato is telling them so stfu

3. scroll above the page that manga page you're looking for is posted here by the creator of this thread. proof that you're not reading everything here.

haha, I know this has been an issue with itachi fanboys, they are idiots when it comes to manga facts, didn't even read the whole manga and just twisting it to make itachi look good.

Originally Posted by robert31393

are you ****in retarded?! konan's paper bombs blew off tobi's arm! itachi's exploding clone would definitely work! you should be the last one calling people fanboy.take tobi's d*ck out your mouth before you talk you ****in tobi fanboy

ever saw tobi suck a clone? he had sharingain, that kind of clones wont work.

konan paper bombs work because she mix it in her own body and allow tobi to get her. which itachi cant do.

and as I've said a million times, itachi already failed to kill tobi when his trap failed.

First about kabuto: His intention was to stop edo tensie since it would have made a more impact on the war....allowed the fodder 11 to join battle.

Second about itachis MS being inferior: Itachi poses eyes that have abilities similar to the strongest uchiha to date.... No way in hell is obitos MS as strong...

Third about S/T: There is no way in hell that Obito will be able to capture itachi when minato screwed obito through intelligence...(Itachi is proven to be smartest in this whole manga..)

Do you really think Obito will just easily catch Itachi? Are you really that ignorant? It makes sense when you hate gets in the way and intentionally leave out the fact of itachi being the smartest man in this manga... (Having brains does allot).

Example: Kakashi had a plan to bust obitos mask off and it worked...

Kakashi didn't even have a chance when it came to planning ahead through battle against itachi..

And once again...Your ignorance makes every single point you tried to make useless...Let me say why....Izanami....What does a power hungry uchiha have to do against such a haxed tech? Don't even dare say izanagi..that shit is not gonna help at all...

Note: To all the idiots who say itachi has no speed feats....He was able to keep up with km naruto....

and instantly appear behind bee...like it was nothing...

Again....TobI has said many times that his plan was delayed by itachi...why?....He knew itachi was capable of destroying it...

Hope I cleared some of the ignorance that you seem to have in this manga...Thanks..

lol both have MS, both have unique abilities, how did you come up that itachi's MS is stronger? we already know he had health issues, we already know he's exhausted after 2 MS techniques. how did you come up to that decission? fanboyism?lol

itachi has never proven to be the smartest in the manga, show a manga page where it was even mentioned? in fact he failed with all his plan while he was alive, itachi said it himself and accept the fact. you should do the same.

you're example is a little bit idiotic., because kakashi had the same jutsu as tobi that is why he was able to know tobi's technique. itachi doesn't have kamui, no way he can hit tobi inside that dimension.

lol itachi didn't KEEP up with naruto and bee. naruto and bee is not even serious fighting them that time, they where talking. naruto in full speed > raikage > amaterasu so you mean itachi is as fast as his amaterasu? stfu willya?

and trust me dude you ahve to take away your love for itachi and start rereading manga. you'll understand it better without thinking about your feelings for itachi. itachi failed to kill tobi while tobi used him to further their agenda that's a fact. itachi was even fooled to believing that tobi is madara.

I won't argue your other points, it would be pointless for me to do that. But O.K. take away the hypothetical situation about Itachi being too young/sick, and answer me why Itachi didn't kill Obito when he was alive

As for Edo Itachi, I disagree that Edo Tensei was more of threat that Obito, because after Nagato was sealed, Itachi would have figured that Kabuto's strongest Edo Tensei was eliminated (he thought Madara was Obito). Also Itachi would have known that a reincarnated Orochimaru was most likely behind Edo Tensei (he was partially right). Itachi kicked Orochimaru's ass two times before because he sucks against genjutsu, and Edo Tensei could have waited with Nagato eliminated, and Itachi along with Naruto and Bee could have easily gone to Obito first and killed him. But instead Itachi took the "easier" route and decide not to engage Obito. I think that Itachi knew that he wasn't as good as Obito, and knew that he would be better suited fighting Orochimaru , whom he had beaten twice before

In Itachi's defense though, he was tricked into believing that Obito was almighty Madara. And although Obito isn't quite at Madara's level, he's still currently the second most powerful character in the manga

Hmmmm..... i thought it was obviousd....he wanted to fight sasuke and hand give him MS Sharingan. It was that simple.... Now tell me....why didint tobi just do away with itachi? even when he was 13 he was uncapable of it...itachi truly is a haxxed character.

lol both have MS, both have unique abilities, how did you come up that itachi's MS is stronger? we already know he had health issues, we already know he's exhausted after 2 MS techniques. how did you come up to that decission? fanboyism?lol

itachi has never proven to be the smartest in the manga, show a manga page where it was even mentioned? in fact he failed with all his plan while he was alive, itachi said it himself and accept the fact. you should do the same.

you're example is a little bit idiotic., because kakashi had the same jutsu as tobi that is why he was able to know tobi's technique. itachi doesn't have kamui, no way he can hit tobi inside that dimension.

lol itachi didn't KEEP up with naruto and bee. naruto and bee is not even serious fighting them that time, they where talking. naruto in full speed > raikage > amaterasu so you mean itachi is as fast as his amaterasu? stfu willya?

and trust me dude you ahve to take away your love for itachi and start rereading manga. you'll understand it better without thinking about your feelings for itachi. itachi failed to kill tobi while tobi used him to further their agenda that's a fact. itachi was even fooled to believing that tobi is madara.

Kabuto mentioned that his intellect is way above anyone he has met many times.... just shows your stupidity...

Hmmmm..... i thought it was obviousd....he wanted to fight sasuke and hand give him MS Sharingan. It was that simple.... Now tell me....why didint tobi just do away with itachi? even when he was 13 he was uncapable of it...itachi truly is a haxxed character.

Ah you are correct, Itachi did everything for Sasuke, and didn't want to waste his time trying to kill Obito. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, Obito didn't want to piss off Sasuke by killing Itachi and taking away his chance at revenge. Also Obito and Itachi both seemed to want Sasuke to unlock his MS. So that's why Obito and Itachi didn't bother trying to kill each other

So were back to Edo Itachi, and I'll say it again. The biggest threat in Itachi's mind should have been Edo Nagato for obvious reasons, he was clearly the strongest Edo that Kabuto had after Madara. Edo Itachi sealed Edo Nagato. After that the biggest threat in Itachi's mind should have been Madara Uchiha (Obito was Madara but Itachi didn't know that), so WHY did Itachi go after Orochimaru (Kabuto was using Edo Tensei instead but Itachi didn't know that either) instead of going after the larger threat of Madara? Because the Edo Tenseis could have been dealt with by the Allied Shinobi forces without Nagato to worry about (once again, Itachi had no idea that Kabuto had Edo Madara)

Ah you are correct, Itachi did everything for Sasuke, and didn't want to waste his time trying to kill Obito. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, Obito didn't want to piss off Sasuke by killing Itachi and taking away his chance at revenge. Also Obito and Itachi both seemed to want Sasuke to unlock his MS. So that's why Obito and Itachi didn't bother trying to kill each other

So were back to Edo Itachi, and I'll say it again. The biggest threat in Itachi's mind should have been Edo Nagato for obvious reasons, he was clearly the strongest Edo that Kabuto had after Madara. Edo Itachi sealed Edo Nagato. After that the biggest threat in Itachi's mind should have been Madara Uchiha (Obito was Madara but Itachi didn't know that), so WHY did Itachi go after Orochimaru (Kabuto was using Edo Tensei instead but Itachi didn't know that either) instead of going after the larger threat of Madara? Because the Edo Tenseis could have been dealt with by the Allied Shinobi forces without Nagato to worry about (once again, Itachi had no idea that Kabuto had Edo Madara)

Someone who finally agrees with me :D
*Obito found both Nagato & Itachi a threat for those who say they werent. He waited for Itachi to DIE BEFORE invading the leaf and if Itachi was alive not only would he couldve killed Obito, but if you think about it he coulve convinced Nagato himself to change his mind about attacking the leaf & probably turn on Obtio... Itachi has massive respect in Akasuki, he got along with everyone in that group (especially Kisame & Nagato since they both have similar background stories)*

Obito and Itachi were avoiding getting in each others way is all... I believe Itachi could beat Non Rinnegan Obito. Even though Itachi was sick he had the best genjustu, his taijustu is at tailed beast speed, he has so much knowledge and is a tactical person, he can be close, mid & far range when fighting, massive chakra level(people dont think he has high chakra levels but he does, its just because he uses alot of chakra trying to one shot people. Hes a pacifist, he hates violence and doesnt like to kill so he usually uses genjustu to prevent trouble & deaths from occuring), & last but not least hes accurate and never really misses even though he was extremely blind.

Againt rinnegan Obito, Hell no, he could never beat him if he was alive.