Mandarich is more of a strongman who's attributes didn't translate, on top of the steroid use. Ryan Kalil put up incredible #'s at the combine; Mawae could pull like no one's business, it was like he was sprinting.

Yeah, the Mandarich thing was meant to be kind of tongue in cheek.

I could see Mawae getting the nod. I mentioned Dawson for the same reason, he was very quick and could pull in a hurry.

In my mind, QB comes down to Newton or Vick. I think Vick gets the nod, because nobody had ever seen that much speed and quickness at the position before to go along with a very strong arm. I could also make a Big Ben mention, but have a tough time putting him above either of those two

Vick is and always will be the biggest freak to ever play the QB position. Cam is a freakazoid....don't get me wrong, Elway will always have one of the best arms I've ever seen (my dad played baseball against him in high school, and said he was pumping 90-93 as a freshman). But for anyone to argue it isn't Vick?

The guy has sub 4.3 speed, was better in the open field than most elite running backs, and one of the best arms the game has seen. The one and only thing that would ever hurt him in a "freak" argument is his size.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

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I gotta think Jim Brown has to be in there as well. He was 6'2 230lbs in the 1960s. To put that in perspective, the average offensive lineman was 6'3 250lbs. That's like having an all world RB nowadays who is 6'4 270lbs, and no, Brandon Jacobs does not count

Mandarich was a huge addict, to the point where he drove 400 miles to buy painkillers instead of being at his brothers deathbed. He dropped to 260 lbs before going into rehab and attempting a comeback with the Colts.

Jeff George - Strongest arm that's ever been attached to a quarterback. Those that saw him sling it understand that it's not really debateable.

Nope. Vinny Testaverte had a stronger arm. George had a strong arm combined with a quick, effortless release, but he didn't have the strongest arm.

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I gotta think Jim Brown has to be in there as well. He was 6'2 230lbs in the 1960s. To put that in perspective, the average offensive lineman was 6'3 250lbs. That's like having an all world RB nowadays who is 6'4 270lbs, and no, Brandon Jacobs does not count

True. I might replace Simpson.

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AP has to be considered a freak of nature. 6'1 almost 220 and like 6% body fat. Runs in the low 4.3s in his 40 pre ACL surgery then comes back and is 9 yards shy of Eric Dikerson's single season record. He wasn't even 100%!!!

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QB for this is hard because the guys who are freak athletes now (Vick, Cam, RG3) arent really established guys at all. Vick is the biggest freak in my eyes but he has never really been a great established QB. He would be super quick & fast as just a WR or RB, but at QB its unheard of. RG3 is fast as well but isn't nearly as quick as Vick was.

I might go with Elway in terms of overall talent and success. He has a cannon and was a good runner too.

QB for this is hard because the guys who are freak athletes now (Vick, Cam, RG3) arent really established guys at all. Vick is the biggest freak in my eyes but he has never really been a great established QB. He would be super quick & fast as just a WR or RB, but at QB its unheard of. RG3 is fast as well but isn't nearly as quick as Vick was.

I might go with Elway in terms of overall talent and success. He has a cannon and was a good runner too.

Vick isn't established? Dude, he is still a starter in 2013! That's estblished. You can argue that he isn't that accomplished or whatever, but for the purposes of this list, he is established in his position. This isn't about overall talent and how successful one's career was.

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To list an O-Line freak without listing Bruce Matthews is such a disappointment.

The guy played in 296 straight games (if you don't factor that he missed games when the whole league went on strike in 87, otherwise it's 229), played every position on the line, was a long-snapper and covered punts long into his career. The guy was like 35 years old covering punts! Not to mention he was the Titans/Oilers emergency kicker and QB for years!

He's one of those rare talents on the offensive line that is filled with physical talent, yet somehow his production far exceeds it.

I gotta think Jim Brown has to be in there as well. He was 6'2 230lbs in the 1960s. To put that in perspective, the average offensive lineman was 6'3 250lbs. That's like having an all world RB nowadays who is 6'4 270lbs, and no, Brandon Jacobs does not count

What ever happened to that OT from Maryland that Oakland drafted? Bruce Campbell. 6'6 300lbs 4.85 34 reps. Was he a classic looks like Tarzan plays like Jane because I haven't heard from him since he was drafted.

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What ever happened to that OT from Maryland that Oakland drafted? Bruce Campbell. 6'6 300lbs 4.85 34 reps. Was he a classic looks like Tarzan plays like Jane because I haven't heard from him since he was drafted.