Minutes and Agenda review

Action Items

aharon: text-align on
option
... check with CSS on what it does/should/can do on that

gwyneth: also followed up

aharon: sent out note, but just a
few minutes ago
... second action was clarify use cases of form value direction
remembering
... will get to it this coming week

Info Share

richard has no info to share

Wrapping up on Bidi

text-align on option

gwyneth: talked to sylvan

<r12a-mac> quite hard to hear
gwyneth

gwyneth: direction is currently
undefined on option
... not sure what we can do without opening proverbial can of
worms

<kennyluck> +1 bidi is
mentioned again and again in CSS, but it's still not enough

aharon: there is a blanket
statement in html5 about native controls
... that they must follow directionality of elements
... so selects must display according to dir
... not sure if native control type of behavior in this case
should be controlled by CSS

aharon: rejected because html
doesn't know anything about textarea and pre
... actually CSS issue
... used to be a statement in html spec
... about whitespace folding
... LS and PS were not considered whitespace
... but that statement is gone
... html doesn't know anything about character semantics
... CSS doesn't say that LS/PS are not supported
... so maybe Unicode should be followed? so every browser has a
bug in it as a result
... fantasai added tests to textarea and pre
... although test has a bug

Proposes that display:block elements, except
those taken out of document flow with CSS such as float or
position:absolute, should be specified as introducing a UBA
paragraph break between the content preceding

and following

aharon: so a div inside a div,
the two should be isolated
... rejected because it's in the purview of CSS
... html spec doesn't say that block elements form paragraphs
or anything like that
... and html has no concept of inline or block elements any
more
... so can't do anything here
... what we want *is* specified in CSS 2.1
... and Mozilla and Opera not doing it is a bug

kennyluck: link mentions default
stylesheet
... so this is a suggestion
... to user-agents
... so maybe make the bidi styles a *requirement*
... and have it be separate
... many styles above are not essential
... but some, like bidi, are

aharon: that makes sense to
me
... didn't realize that stylesheet was non-normative
... also state in human-readable text what the thing is
specifying

<kennyluck> [[12
Rendering

<kennyluck> User agents are
not required to present HTML documents in any particular way.
However, this section provides a set of suggestions for
rendering HTML documents that, if followed, are likely to lead
to a user experience that closely resembles the experience
intended by the documents' authors. So as to avoid confusion
regarding the normativity of this section, RFC2119 terms have
not been used. Instead, the term "expected" is used to indicate
behavior that wil

Proposes that plain text passed by page
scripts to whatever services are provided for dialog display
without specifying an explicit direction should be displayed
according to the UBA's rules P1, P2, and P3, which estimate the
direction of each paragraph according to its first strong
character.

aharon: stuff likes alerts
... should be displayed according to uba rules
... had no hope of being accepted, but it was

Proposes specifying that when the user agent
user interface allows the user to set the direction of
<input> and <textarea> elements, it will set the
element's dir attribute value accordingly and trigger the
oninput event after the dir attribute has been set.

aharon: various behavior in
various browsers
... was accepted in full

norbert: only applies to text and
search

aharon: tried to be concerned
about, but can't think of any other types
... like password
... don't care which way the blobs appear

aharon: attribute didn't get
in
... but we have the <bdi> element
... so this couldn't go in, since no attribute to set
... and also because statement in question was removed
... however, default stylesheet has the same thing
basically
... elements that used to be block
... and they changed to unicode-bidi:isolate