Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by Mjodr

As we discussed in the Game of Thrones thread. That is your thing. So buy Mario. The rest of us aren't content with fuzzy wuzzy games.

Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, who had a crappy taste in games.

Oh, and Kefka certainly did rape someone... Terra. She was his love slave under the Slave Crown's control. He also tries to rape Celes and Relm.

No, he didn't actually rape Terra. Also, I played the original Japanese version with an English translation. Locke was the only one who openly wanted to have sex with her. Japanese people don't shy from this sort of stuff and the rape wasn't even implied (unlike in Baldur's Gate 2). Celes did get beat by those guards, but that was as far as it got. If you still disagree with me then I'd like screenshots as proof, because otherwise that simply isn't true. Gestahl would probably more likely rape someone.

Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by Xile

No, he didn't actually rape Tera. Also, I played the original Japanese version with English translation. Locke was the only one who openly wanted to have sex with her. Japanese people don't shy from this sort of stuff and the rape wasn't even implied (unlike Baldur's Gate 2). Celes did get beat by those guards, but that was as far as it got. If you still disagree with me then I'd like screenshots as proof, because otherwise that simply isn't true.

Watch the flashback again. He doesn't in game, just like Fallout Raiders don't do their things in game.. but it is heavily implied, and is a part of Kefka's canon. There is unused dialog that supports it.

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There's definitely a lot of implied "violation" of Terra at Kefka's hands in the game itself, particularly if you place her in the first character slot of a party, switch parties and talk to her during the Attack on Narshe.

Also, during the scene with the soldiers "interrogating" Celes, and grunting... the grunts were removed in later releases of the game due to them being sensitive to real life rapes happening.

So actually, it is just as implied as Baldur's Gate 2.

Anyway, it is a beautiful spring day, and some of us have picnics to get to.

Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by Mjodr

Watch the flashback again. He doesn't in game, just like Fallout Raiders don't do their things in game.. but it is heavily implied, and is a part of Kefka's canon. There is unused dialog that supports it.

I played the Japanese Super Nes version. I don't remember there being anything to do with rape. Was this when the 'Espers' (Demons) were captured?

Unlike Molag Bal, Kefka enjoyed chaos and destruction much more than to have the need to violate some "little girl". xD

Edit: In Celes's case, the grunting was removed not because of similarities to rape but because during that time there was a lot of kidnapping going on in Japan.

*Sigh* In the end, people only see what they want to see. Much of what is ingame is only implied or even joked about, but then we have people who just 'want' those things to have happened. I'm more curious about whether the developers had rape in mind when they made the game. I'll believe the 'no rape' thing, until I am proven wrong.

I played the Japanese Super Nes version. I don't remember there being anything to do with rape. Was this when the 'Espers' (Demons) were captured?

Unlike Molag Bal, Kefka enjoyed chaos and destruction much more than to have the need to violate some "little girl". xD

Edit: In Celes's case, the grunting was removed not because of similarities to rape but because during that time there was a lot of kidnapping going on in Japan.

*Sigh* In the end, people only see what they want to see. Much of what is ingame is only implied or even joked about, but then we have people who just 'want' those things to have happened. I'm more curious about whether the developers had rape in mind when they made the game. I'll believe the 'no rape' thing, until I am proven wrong.

Kefka was less about chaos and destruction, and more about controlling and compelling people... hence the use of the Slave Crown.

Those kidnappings in Japan were kidnappings & rapes.

As I have stated. You like your games without real world stress... the same way you like your fantasy to not have gritty realism.

That's OK. It is perfectly fine. Many people enjoy gritty realism though, so complaining about it just annoys people.

Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by Mjodr

Kefka was less about chaos and destruction, and more about controlling and compelling people... hence the use of the Slave Crown.

Those kidnappings in Japan were kidnappings & rapes.

As I have stated. You like your games without real world stress... the same way you like your fantasy to not have gritty realism.

That's OK. It is perfectly fine. Many people enjoy gritty realism though, so complaining about it just annoys people.

What a load of crap. Kefka was definitely all about destruction. I don't know what sort of crappy translation you played, but I played the ORIGINAL version. The controlling was not about rape but rather so that she wouldn't destroy anything without the empires knowledge. The soldiers feared Terra and no one in their right mind would even touch her because it might mess with her magick power and they need it for war, etc.

I'll complain whatever the hell I bloody choose to complain about. The more modern games are getting excessively grittier and unnecessary. People just want more and more perverse things in their 'entertainment', but by all means go ahead.

Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by Xile

What a load of crap. Kefka was definitely all about destruction. I don't know what sort of crappy translation you played, but I played the ORIGINAL version. The controlling was not about rape but rather so that she wouldn't destroy anything without the empires knowledge. The soldiers feared Terra and no one in their right mind would even touch her because it might mess with her magick power and they need it for war, etc.

I'll complain whatever the hell I bloody choose to complain about. The more modern games are getting excessively grittier and unnecessary. People just want more and more perverse things in their 'entertainment', but by all means go ahead.

I didn't say he wasn't for destruction at all. Kefka is a nihilist, a megalomaniac and a psychopath... so he doesn't give a damn about human life at all. But he was about controlling people to get his goal. His intention was to become a god... and he eventually succeeded.

Xile, how is complaining about something pointless going to do anything to help anyone? Sure you can choose to complain if you want.. but why? All you have to do is choose to play the games you want, and ignore the ones you don't want.

I don't like romance novels, and they are extremely prolific... you don't see me railing against them.

As for video games. I play all kinds. I have games that are violent and gritty. I also have games like Minecraft and Terraria that are not.

Basically what I am saying is don't push your video game and fantasy hang-ups on the rest of us. I don't complain when you don't watch Game of Thrones... why? because it would be pointless.

Re: Brains over brawn: Why smart people are drawn to 'BioShock Infinite'

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Originally Posted by somanyquestions

I've no idea how this game is getting such perfect reviews

Oh no, you know exactly how its getting perfect reviews. Think about it, think about it...

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the gameplay is bland and the story is OK at best. Bioshock Infinites clear purpose is to mock nationalism, to make concepts like "purity" and "race" seem bizarre. Just another product of the Jewish media.