Is Your Congressman Anti-American? Communist? Socialist?

The Communist Takeover of America

45 Declared Goals

Current Communist Goals

January 10, 1963

This article was originally posted January 2, 2010 as “Communist Goals for USA Takeover.” It has been updated so that more people are aware of the plans the enemies of our nation envisioned for us and what they have achieved in four years. This 2012 election cycle, we must inform and educate those who have not paid attention to the destructive forces at work that were brought about by electing an unknown, unconstitutional, inexperienced, usurper to lead our nation.

Obama, in collusion with his administration, media, and Soros-sponsored organizations put our country on the most destructive path since our nation was founded. In four years, we have watched in horror at the criminality and corruption that has invaded every level of government including our judiciary. We observe and decry how our national traditions have been degraded, and our values of honor, character, morality, and integrity were/are impugned.

In April, the honorable and patriotic Florida Representative Allen West, told his constituents at a Town hall meeting that our United States Congress was infiltrated by communists and socialists. He didn’t make excuses or mince words; he said it like it is. He opened the door for other Congressmen to join him and expose these anti-Americans for who they are: enemies of our nation. Not one patriotic Congressman has stood beside this one honest-speaking man. In no uncertain terms, he was telling Democrats and Republicans alike that the Democratic Party is not the party that your parents knew, the Democratic party now consists of people whose ideology is one our country once considered the enemy. They still are.

“I believe there are about 78 or 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party; it’s called the Congressional Progressive Caucus.”

“Some people are going to quibble about semantics, the real point is these people speak for themselves and if you listen to the words of the progressive caucus it’s clear that these people are opponents of capitalism — they oppose free markets, they oppose individual economic freedom — so you can call them whatever you want — whether they’re socialists or Marxists or communists.”

In retort, the Left has ridiculed him with cries of McCarthyism. This is not unusual for the Left, because this is how they operate. They attempt to destroy anyone who dares expose their agenda and themselves. Those who have studied history believe Rep. West’s statements. He works and sees these people on a daily basis, and knows the laws and regulations they are trying to pass. He listens to their anti-American words. He recognizes their ideology that is the antithesis of our republic. These progressives, be they Marxists, Communists, Socialists, or Islamists (our coined word encompasses all of the “isms” – Ismistas) who have permeated our government, can not make him cow or bend to pressure to conform to their warped beliefs, and nor will we. Rep. West may well be our McCarthy that we have been hoping for, and we need him to do exactly what he is doing! We need a return of the House on UnAmerican Activities to investigate the traitors to our country. We need it to be resurrected and these people routed from our government preferably in handcuffs.

Keep talking Rep. West – the People Need to Hear You!

Prepare to be shocked at the communist goals that have already been reached since they were written and presented in 1963. Fifty nine years later, we have people in our government at all levels who are ardently trying to implement and complete the remaining items and solidify them as part of our national discourse. These attempts at transforming our nation are in full swing and are being recognized and exposed. Others are under the radar and have remained closeted. Take a long look at this list and see how many points are in the process of being pushed through as legislative bills or regulations and that are issues being discussed by politicians and hyped by the complicit Leftist media.

If you have been paying attention to the news, you will be able to recognize the issues the Left wants you and me to incorporate into our lives. Many agenda-driven items were exposed within the first year of this administration, i.e., rewriting educational literature and reinterpreting history in school text books. It was also found in November, 2009, that the National Education Association (NEA) was listing a book as required reading for high school students. It wasn’t the Constitution, it was Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals.” Another “recommended” book by the same radical author was “The American Organizer: A Resource for Every Organizer & Anyone Contemplating Action in Their Community.” A list of topics that were related to this finding is on the NEA website as well as in a search on Google. From their website at the time that is now scrubbed:

NEA recommends the following Saul Alinsky books to those members of our Association who are involved in grassroots organizing, especially Association Representatives (ARs) — also known as building reps or shop stewards — and leaders at local affiliates.

Saul Alinsky is widely recognized as the father of, and pre-imminent expert in, grassroots organizing, which is why we recommend that ARs and local leaders become familiar with his theories & materials.

Alinsky’s writings have been called the “mother’s milk of the left,” however in an ironic homage, the conservative right has borrowed a page or two from the Alinsky playbook. Tea Party leader and self-described “conservative radical” Michael Patrick Leahy, for example, has authored a book based on Alinsky’s teachings: “Rules for Conservative Radicals.”

We hope that ARs and local leaders of all political stripes will discern from Alinsky’s books grassroots organizing strategies that will best help us bring our members together around the common goal of improving public education. …

Obama was elected on a couple of words, hope and change. If citizens had known that his change meant establishing, implementing, and installing communist goals and destroying our way of life, they wouldn’t have voted for him. If voters fully understood what the Progressives /Communists had in mind, do you think Obama would be the squatter in the White House now? Do you think if the media had vetted Obama, he would be president?

“Progressive” was the term communists used after the McCarthy era (1945 – 1960), and it identifies them today. In typical Leftist fashion, they rebranded themselves with a new name to disguise their true intent. Progressive “sounds” so much better than communist, don’t you think? If you will remember Hillary Clinton identified herself not as a Liberal, but as a “Modern Progressive.” This should give those diehard Hillary supporters pause when they wonder why she took the Secretary of State position within this administration and didn’t flinch.

According to Wiki, “The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) is the largest caucus within the Democratic caucus in the United States Congress with 76 Declared members.” They work to advance progressive issues and positions. (There were 83 members prior to the 2010 election.).

The CPC was founded in 1991 by five members of the House. They said they were

“organized around the principles of social and economic justice, a non-discriminatory society, and national priorities which represent the interests of all people, not just the wealthy and powerful.”

Those are the words that we hear Obama using to incite people and divide our country into specific groups pitted against each other. It is the Marxist ideology of class division. They are the words of communist regimes that live under totalitarian rule with despots at the helm.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, many of the former communists became environmentalists as a cover. They are found in the Green Movement, now associated with the scam artist, Al Gore, and most recently Van Jones, Obama’s “Green Jobs” czar, who left the White House in the dark of the night after he was exposed as a communist by Glenn Beck. There are many connections between the communists and the environmental/green movement. It is my understanding that the environmental movement was initially founded by members of the United Nations. We can only ask why more of them haven’t been identified?

Who are Obama’s Communists?

A few Progressives are easily recognized such as Ed Markey (MA) and Henry Waxman (CA), who co-authored the defeated Cap and Trade bill. Yet the corrupted agency, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is issuing the regulations that could not pass Congress. They are going around Congress and implementing regulations anyway. The EPA is manned and led by zealot environmentalists and is responsible for putting a stranglehold on the US economy. Barney Frank(MA) tried to pass the universal voting bill. Barney was most responsible for allowing the meltdown of Frannie and Freddie. He will be retiring this election cycle before he is held responsible for his part in ignoring the financial catastrophe while assuring everyone there were no problems. He is also responsible for writing the Dodd-Frank bill that was passed and signed into law by Obama. This was his fix for the problems he said didn’t exist, and it will be repealed when the Republicans win the election. Luckily in 2010, voters removed the loud-mouthed former representative Alan Grayson (FL). He was the jerk who stated in front of Congress that Republicans “wanted people to die” and that is why they were not supporting the Healthcare bill. Neil Abercrombie (HI) resigned his seat in Congress to run as governor of Hawaii and help provide cover for Obama’s ineligibility issue. He was allegedly a friend of Barack Obama Sr., and has backed Barack Obama’s claims to having been born in Hawaii. Jan Schakowsky (IL) is married to felon Robert Creamer. While in prison, he penned the Healthcare bible that is the basis of Obamacare. His excuse for embezzling money? He claimed he was helping the poor! Without a doubt, if Obama placed someone in a position in any agency, organization or court, they are a progressive, and their intent is to bring their vision of change to our nation while undermining our laws and our “fatally flawed” Constitution whichever way they can.

Of the 42 Congressional Black Caucus members, 31 are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. A few of the better known members are: Barbara Lee (CA), Maxine Waters (CA), Bobby Rush (IL), and Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL). John Conyers (MI) made the statements that it was the “powers that be” that stopped the investigation of ACORN. Conyers’ wife was convicted of felonies. Charlie Rangle (NY-Harlem) is on the Judicial Review’s Most Corrupt Politician’s list. Donald Payne (NJ), Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX- Houston), and Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-Dallas) are some other members. All of these progressives must be removed from Congress for holding and espousing anti-American views.

Nancy Pelosi (CA) left the Progressive Caucus when she was elected House Minority Leader, and even though she lost her gavel in 2010, her name does not appear on the list of members for 2011. Hilda Solis became the Secretary of Labor in 2009. I didn’t see a listing for Harry Reid, but his actions say he is totally in tune with the Progressives. He is most likely undeclared, but indeed sympathetic.

Obamacare, universal health care or socialized medicine, one of the prime goals of the Left is now before the US Supreme Court. A ruling on its constitutionality is expected in June. This has been one of the major goals of the Progressives, and was the pivot point of their agenda. Obamacare is what Obama spent his time railing about for a couple of years. To complete the transformation of our nation, the Progressives needed to take over health care to destroy our economy and the best healthcare system in the world.

The outrage and protesting shown against Obamacare by the Tea Parties and the voters throughout the nation meant nothing to the progressives who passed Obamacare without a single Republican vote. They didn’t care what the citizens thought, they had an agenda and still do.

It is our vigilance and close attention to these enemies that must continue. Their goal is and will remain the takeover of the USA. We will not let it happen. Please do compare the communist goals with those of the Muslim Brotherhood. The link is also below. They are working hand in hand to destroy our nation and their goals mirror the communists. That is why we heard so much about Islamaphobia in the news when less than .58 percent of our nation are Muslims. They have great PR agents in the media, the Left, and through their mouthpiece, CAIR. We are a Christian nation. Obama lies and says we aren’t a Christian nation, but I’d like him to show us where in our history the Muslims helped shape our country – the U.S.A. – as he has said. If you don’t believe they are working together, be reminded of the outcry in late 2010 and 2011 from the Left when Rep. Peter King (R – NY, House Homeland Security Committee Chairman, was investigating Muslim radicalization in the US. He was beset by protests, petitions, phone calls, and threats from the Left. His investigation has not ended in 2012.

“I want to show the extent of that radicalization, how it happens. Also whether or not the Muslim community is fully cooperating.”

Know that we were required to change our language from “War on Terror” to Janet Napolitano’s rebranded expression “Overseas Contingency Operations.” Heaven forbid, we insult those trying to kill us. Also recall the incident at Ft. Hood that was classified as a “Work Place Incident” when a jihadist – a Muslim terrorist – murdered 12 people in cold blood and wounded 31 others in the name of Allah. The media didn’t want to refer to him as a follower of Islam. He was a U.S. soldier who turned on those who he considered his enemy because of his ideology – Islam.

Only recently we found the field manuals for the FBI have removed all references to Muslims because they were allegedly stereotyping Muslims. Our government caved to the desires of the Muslim Brotherhood (a designated terrorist group) represented by CAIR and other Arab Groups? Has our country been attacked by any other group that you are aware of? Are they still committing atrocities around the world? What new word will they come up with to describe these MUSLIM followers who believe in jihad and want to wipe the US off the face of the earth along with Israel? Obama’s “unclenched fist” diplomacy has failed on the world stage, and he has undermined our preeminence and respect because of his failed policies.

These goals listed below are chilling if they are compared to events during the last year. There is no question as to why the public was ignored and bills and activities were handled at warp speed without regard to the public’s choices. There is no question as to why there were backroom deals and secret meetings. There is no question as to why they always dropped bombshell news on Fridays. There is no question as to the agenda of this administration. Once you have reviewed these goals, you will understand. There will only be one question left to answer, Why? Just Why would they want to destroy our great nation?

45 Communist Goals to Take Over the USA

Remarks of Hon. A. S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida in the House of Representatives on Thursday, January 10, 1963.

Mr. HERLONG: Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen: A list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963.

“The Naked Communist”

by Cleon Skousen

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. [Note: change atomic war to nuclear war to update it.]

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11.Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a One-World Government with its own independent armed forces.(Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitutionby calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities (1938–1975) .

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

How can you help? Identify the anti-Americans whatever flavor they are – Ismistas – in your Local, State, and U.S. Governmental offices. Do what you can to expose them, their agenda, and send them packin’! Citizens, the media isn’t going to help. It is up to you and me to get the word out and let the voters know about these traitors and their agenda. You voted them in, now it is up to you to get them out! Consider yourselves all Paul Reveres! We have an enemy who is attacking us on on fronts. We are the militia that must stop them in their tracks, and the time to do that is now!

This is a perfect example of the danger of radical Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood, which has been in our White House: A presidential candidate IN EGYPT, after the Arab Spring which Obama and the other progressive communists in our government APPLAUDED, said:

“Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.

Today Egypt is close as never before to the triumph of Islam at all the state levels, he said.

“Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals,” he said.

The Muslim Brotherhood Islamist group has been banned in Egypt for decades before being legalized following the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak in last year’s popular uprising, and has since emerged as a powerful political force.”

Every U.S. member of Congress or the Senate who calls the Muslim Brotherhood “moderate” must be called out and perhaps voted out of office, if ineducable. Same for anybody in this administration. Call them out! This is why the Obama administration must be evicted in November.

We are NOT the problem. The radical Jihadists and those who want to IMPOSE Sharia on EVERYONE ARE the problem. Nothing can be done by us except to defeat this ideology. Why? Because THERE IS NO COEXISTENCE WITH IT, BY THEIR OWN DECREE.

OMG! Are you on a roll or what? EXCELLENT commentary. Is Huerta the one he admitted swiping “Yes, we can” from?

This is WHY it’s so important for them to convince everyone that he’s never been a Muslim. Badi said and Barry ignored (or PRETENDED TO)”Rational calculations applied by the West to adversaries, assuming Muslims won’t act in a revolutionary and even suicidal manner, want a better future for their children, etc., don’t apply to the Islamist movement.”

This is exactly WHY the progressives’ ploy of outreach to “peaceful” and “moderate” Muslims (an oxymoron) is doomed to fail. Taqiyya. All it is.

I would, however, remind Badi’s followers about Truman’s very rational irrational act. SAND.

Excellent commentary and analysis, Bridgette. You covered all the bases and exposed this Progressive Caucus for what it is (and what it is NOT). The best news in your entire post is that we reduced their numbers by 7 in the 2010 election. May we decimate their numbers even more this coming December. That’s our choice people:

FREEDOM OR TYRANNY.

EQUALITY OF MISERY OR SELF-DETERMINATION.

COMMUNISM OR A MERITOCRACY WHERE YOU DECIDE YOUR OWN FATE AND WHERE YOU DECIDE HOW TO SPEND THE FRUITS OF YOUR OWN LABOR AND NOT SOME ELITE CABAL IN WASHINGTON, HEADED BY THE LIKES OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II.

I stopped reading when you attacked Islam. If you have not fought overseas and seen first hand it really isn’t something you should speak about. Would it be right to all Christians/Catholics as The Westboro Baptist Church?

You need to clearly identify “Muslim Extremeists” not the battle on “Islam” or “Muslims” Christians do not preach hate, so when you start stereotyping a large mass for the actions of a few, you are really stepping away from the basis of the bible in the first place. I usually appreciate all your guys work, but I’m a realist before I’m a democrat or republican, and if you step too far off the point I will be one to bring it up.

If Islam = terrorist then Christianity = Westboro baptist church. Please stop spreading hate in your very well written articles. Politicians use diversion to get thier point across THE PEOPLE use intelligence and understanding to get their point across

Mr. Wilson,
I have a new interesting post you may like and it does not attack Islamics. It just connects SOME. We have people on this blog that come from many places and nationalities. You may be very surprised. I do not think the other writers mean to attack Islam.
I think we have tried very hard to stay in the center, as well as to keep an open mind.

You have to understand that people need to be guided, I read these articles as if I am ill informed. I get the updates when you guys post new stuff. Trust me people with read this and turn to hate Islamic people. I have deployed and faught for your “freedom of speech” but for some reason a vast majority of the people need to realize Islam has nothing to do with what’s happening. It’s extremists that are the issue. People who wish to do harm, just like the Westboro baptist church.

I think the article is great but these slight links make people conspiracy theorists. You are giving people way too much credit, this website would not exist if the MSM actually reported real news.

The next question is… Is Mitt Romney any better? He claims to be a conservitive but his new defense budget is 2.1 instead of 1.2 like Obama. So instead of writing how horrible the democrats are we should really look at the big picture, what are we going to do? In the event that we have Obama or Romney, what’s the next step.

I have served 2 tours in Afghanistan, a 12mo and a 15mo, maybe you guys have seen the documentary Restrepo or read the book War by Sebastian Junger, maybe you have hear of 3-1B or Sal Guinta? Trust me I’m on your guys side but I feel like we need to be very carful talking about how we represent Muslims in the united states. That’s just responsible reporting and knowing the US Audience. I was told by the army that I WILL be an Arabic speaker, and I WILL study Arabic culture… So I had no choice, it was that or Korean or Chinese. I am a health care professional that works in USASOC. I just wanted to clarify before the linch mob below freaks out a little more.

Mr Wilson. I hear every word you are saying. You may be preaching to the choir here though as we have done 4 plus years of unbiased work to find the truth. It has been very well hidden no ? We try to look at the big picture as you mention, but THAT is so hard to wrap one’s mind around so we must break things up sometimes. It is alot for the regular person to grasp but we try really hard sir.

I completely understand, it’s a losing battle… I get that, I’m studying law now to get out and get into politics. I know you guys do great research and I’m going in and out of service out here and I just am so worried that every time some one sees Islam they are like “I new it was the damn muslims again!”

Again, notice how you write, beginning with “you have to”. We don’t “have to” do anything. You might explain how you see things, but when you begin with orders, people get turned off. It’s a question of respect for different opinions. You say that people will “turn to hate Islamic people” simply from reading an article that explains exactly how dangerous radical Islam is to our way of life. You don’t seem to give people much credit. Does it matter to you that the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood absolutely HATE US and have declared WAR on us by threatening to follow jihad and impose Sharia everywhere? Do you think they’re joking? Are they responsible equally for any hatred that happens to overflow onto innocent, peace-loving Muslims? How can you say that Islam had “nothing to do with what’s happening?” These people (the RADICALS in the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD) are being LED by imams who practice Islam. The Westboro Baptist Church loons wish, apparently, to cause emotional harm. Last time I checked, they’re not seeking to take over entire countries and impose radical Baptist ideology on the world, and threatening to do it by terrorist violence.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a FACT. I clearly remember way back in the early 90s when Osama bin Laden declared war on the USA. It was a tiny paragraph in the back pages of my newspaper. Clinton paid little mind to it, apparently, and GWB barely got up to speed before we had 9/11. Was he joking? Apparently not. 3000+ dead on account of it and I, for one, do not accept that the USA had any “blame” for that terror attack on innocent people. That’s blaming the victims. Those living in Muslim societies, if they don’t want to share the blame, should do what happens here with Westboro. They’re shunned. Does anybody follow them? NO! Does anybody follow the radical jihadists and the Muslim Brotherhood? Yes, they do. They’re now going to take over all the countries and reap the benefits from the revolutions brought about by the progressive morons in this country and the brave young people who thought they were going to get something better but who are getting something far worse and more oppressive. The more so for the women. They will no longer be going to college.

When you call people who are only expressing their views but who disagree with you a “linch mob” (sic), we hear you loud and clear.

It’s true those groups wish to do us harm, but in reality when an islamic extremist takes an innocent life he “looses his religion”

I know they wish to do harm, I have been shot at by those people that wish to do us harm.

There were warnings about 9/11 not the exact attack but it was mentioned in 1998-2000 on the floor of congress.

You talk about 9/11 and the ~4000 people, innocent civilians, killed.. Right now in the war on terror, 828 thousand innocent civilians have been killed. Not by the US Armed Forces but poor policy. This is also bipartisan. Over 2 million civilians or coalition forces have been killed or injured in these 2 wars. I’m sure you have friends that have lost thier legs, or hand, or arm, or paid the ultimate sacrifice… We do this for the people, for the government? The government that has turned their back on the people. It’s crazy that I have to wonder, what happens if there is a coup d’etat.

“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me…”

It says constitution before the president. Think of the position all of us are in, we have no political say in the uniform and I have to wonder if this happens if half the military will support a dictator or fight for freedom and the people. This is a hard thing to have in the back of your head all the time.

You talk about 9/11 and the ~4000 people, innocent civilians, killed.. Right now in the war on terror, 828 thousand innocent civilians have been killed. Not by the US Armed Forces but poor policy. This is also bipartisan. Over 2 million civilians or coalition forces have been killed or injured in these 2 wars. I’m sure you have friends that have lost thier legs, or hand, or arm, or paid the ultimate sacrifice… We do this for the people, for the government? The government that has turned their back on the people. It’s crazy that I have to wonder, what happens if there is a coup d’etat.

“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me…”

It says constitution before the president. Think of the position all of us are in, we have no political say in the uniform and I have to wonder if this happens if half the military will support a dictator or fight for freedom and the people. This is a hard thing to have in the back of your head all the time.

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I am sure Mr Wilson. It is a bad situation for all soldiers. I feel so sorry. I thank God for you defending our constitution, people and country first.
Thank you.

D. William Wilson–I’m puzzled by your reaction to Bridgette’s excellent post. I see no attack on Islam. It’s clear from the context of her post that she’s pointing out that Marxism, Communism, and Islam have a lot in common and that adherents to these ideologies are making common cause (for the time being) in order to overthrow OUR system of government. Western civilization, if you will.

One possible “plus” the commies and socialists have over Muslims is that at least they SEEM to respect women’s right to equality. Islam consigns women to second class status. Forever.

But all these “isms” mentioned in her post have one thing in common: Equality of misery for the bulk of society with a ruling elite that lives in luxury, upon the labor of the workers, as TYRANTS over all.

Whether it’s a dictator like Stalin or Mao or a mullah like the Ayatollah, there’s little difference: The individual is divorced from his GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS AND FREEDOM AND SELF-DETERMINATION.

“If you have not fought overseas and seen first hand it really isn’t something you should speak about.”

That is such a puzzling statement that I don’t know where to begin. So only those who have fought overseas (when? where?) have a right to speak about what? Communists? Nazis? Fascists? Or do you mean Islam?

If you mean Islam and your argument is that there are good Muslims, that’s likely true. There is good and bad in all peoples. But a religion is different from the people who practice it (or don’t, whatever the case may be). It’s the IDEOLOGY that leads people like the Muslim Brotherhood, which is our focus.

Still, I don’t know why you say that only those who “fought” overseas should speak. Taken to the extreme, nobody could ever have an opinion about anything unless every facet of her own life exactly corresponded to the life of the person or group she is opining about.

If you didn’t read Bridgette’s entire post, then the loss is yours. I often read articles (like from Maureen Dowd or Leonard Pitt) gritting my teeth to the bitter end. Closing your mind to thoughts and ideas of others doesn’t lead to enlightenment.

Nowhere in Bridgette’s post does she “preach hate” or make “battle on Islam or Muslims.” As I said, it’s clear from context that she’s speaking about RADICAL Islam such as promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood and jihadists like those who attacked us at Ground Zero and Ft. Hood. Nor does she stereotype entire groups of people. RADICAL ISLAM–those who are making common cause with the communist progressives who are destroying (“fundamentally transforming”) our country–is our focus here.

“You need to clearly” stop telling others what to think and what to say. Just look at how YOU write. Do you understand my point? YOU NEED TO understand how offensive it is for you to write this sentence, UNFAIRLY ATTACKING WITHOUT FOUNDATION: “Please stop spreading hate in your very well written articles.”

Failure to wake up and recognize the TRUE HATERS in this world will be the end of our country. It’s that serious.

As for your analogy about the Westboro Baptist Church. It’s inapt. What political power does Westboro have? How many governments do they control? How many regions of the world are they in danger of controlling, from which they can IMPOSE their hateful ideology of radical Islam on the populace and incite others to jihad and the destruction of Israel? Radical Islamists are out for one thing: To rule the entire world and to IMPOSE radical Islam on EVERYONE.

To not recognize that fact and to compare that very dire threat with one silly congregation of misguided loons is to stick your head in the sand, at the risk of our very Republic and our way of life.

Under radical Islam, not only won’t you be able to practice Christianity, you won’t be able to write comments on blogs; and, if you’re a woman, you won’t be able to drive a car, think for yourself, wear what you like, control your own childrens’ upbringing, decide who to marry, be able to divorce, or control your own sex life or reproduction. In short, you will be little more than a slave, owned like one of your husband’s goats.

For anyone who wonders: Yes, I did change the order in which these comments appear. I refuse to have Bridgette’s excellent post tarnished RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE by a comment that implies a falsehood and seems to suggests others should stop reading.

So you purposely changed the outcomes of the responses because my comment can sway the opinion of the public. You just admitted that this forum is biased. That comment makes you no better then the mainstream media that purposely sways the public in a direction.

No. I changed the order of the comments because, as I said, your comment being first might influence people to NOT READ the post. It’s the opinion of the public that you sway. It’s an attempt at censoring Bridgette’s opinion by making FALSE ALLEGATIONS about what her post says. By implying that it’s an Islamophobic screed that you had to stop reading because it was so unfair to Muslims. I didn’t admit the forum is biased. I admitted that I am a moderator here and you are a guest. You unfairly and falsely attacked the post published here by one of our writers. Unfortunately for you, you’re in our house and we make the rules. If you truly are in the military (and if you are, thank you for your service), then you should understand rules and how sometimes you don’t get to make them, you just have to follow them. You’re the person who is purposely swaying the public in a direction by FALSELY saying that Bridgette attacked and made battle against Islam. Not to mention calling our commenters a lynch mob. Just for commenting and daring to disagree with you. Seriously …

Christianity said the women should obey thier husbands like they obey god?

Westboro baptist church (christianity?) is preaching that soldiers deserve to to die because we allow homosexuality in the united states?

I have been to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Afghanistan, And Kyrgyzstan. The issue isn’t hatred in the Quran it is illiteracy, interpretation.

We are talking about Islam and womens rights? Washington state just repealed equal rights for women so I guess we don’t have to worry about Islam doing that, I think he was a republican.

I was talking Islam and the “war on terror” that started this giant movement against Islam. You wrote that SOLDIER was a Muslim, yeah… Who cares… He was an EXTREMIST period. But the write re emphasized that he was a Muslim.

Freedom? With giant support of Christianity, NC just passed Amendment 1 attempting to intentionally hurt homosexuals, they didn’t realize they also hurt 288k heterosexual domestic partnerships and 98k children in those family’s also. So am I worried about Islam? No.

Most of this stuff is bipartisan, vote/election fraud in 11 states. You are trying to tell me THIS administration Is any worse then what bush was doing or what Romney will do? Obama is Bushs third term. I thought this was an unbiased forum but I have been obviously mistaken.

Christianity does NOT preach slavery. Followers of Islam still practice slavery and they nearly universally oppress women. The morons in the Westboro Baptist church have a right to preach whatever they want. That’s what freedom of religion means. We have a right to call them loons and to ignore them, if possible, and to have them pushed back when they infringe on the rights of others. They say hateful things. Yes, they do. They believe them, too, apparently. But this is America where we have free speech and freedom of religion and so, again, that’s their right to be idiots. Words don’t hurt people, but bombs and airplanes used as weapons of mass destruction certainly do and to equate their stupidity with jihadist attacks is ridiculous. Washington state repealed women’s rights? Who knew? Seriously. How is that possible? Surely you exaggerate. To borrow a phrase from O’Reilly, even if it’s true, which I seriously doubt, does pointing to bad behavior by another excuse bad behavior by someone else? Why, no it does not.

The War on Terror did not start any “giant movement against Islam”. JIHAD did that and, again, as I said above, the people in Muslim countries that disagree with jihad and see the damage it does to them and to THEIR reputation may try distancing themselves FROM jihadists instead of electing them to office.

Bridgette wrote that the soldier as a Muslim. But you know what, he was a soldier AND a Muslim and what that has to do with it is that his religion is what guided his actions when he waged jihad at Ft. Hood and gunned down fellow soldiers in cold blood. He was a MUSLIM extremist. The ideology is important because that’s what drives his actions.

This is an unbiased forum. If your definition of unbiased is that everyone MUST agree with you or shut up, then we can’t help you there. It all depends upon what the meaning of “unbiased” is, I suppose.

I clearly stated that you must be careful, the term “you” is very commonly used interchangeably in conversation as meaning “people” so have to take it in context. I don’t know “you” people, so I can’t say “you” people are the problem, but we need to be very responsible in the way we report things. See I just used “we” as in “you reporters on this site” see how things can be interchanged; however, yet again see how my slight miss use of the word “you” gas changed the whole dynamic of the conversation. So if I was reading and I personally felt like it was a negative reference to Islam and not radical Islam, wouldn’t it have made more sense for Bridgette to come back and say “I think you misunderstood me, I was talking specifically about radical Islam and not Islam in general.” then I could have said “ok, as long as we are on the same page I’m good.”

Instead I have 3-4 people (can’t tell on my cell phone because it’s getting small) telling me off, does that sound like something an educated group of people like you guys are preaching would do?

Go back and reference precious articles I have commented on, im on YOUR side, I had an issue with one section.

I just realized I did read it all, I thought I didn’t because I stopped at the 45 communist goals. Wouldn’t that be a good thing that I did t lie and say I read everything. I still feel like there are some parts that even re reading it seems like “attacks” on Islam and not just “Islamic extremists.”

I re read after comments to see if maybe I just read it wrong but there is some pretty sensitive stuff in this article.

Bridgette will likely weigh in soon. We all have different hours. She tends to be more of a night owl than I am. I totally understand about the “you impersonal”. Isn’t that what our old school teachers used to call it? I’ve learned not to use it anymore because so many people take offense and think I’m criticizing them when I only mean “in general”. Like, “you don’t want to jump off a cliff” when I should say “one doesn’t want to jump off a cliff.” Know what I mean?

We’re not telling you off, D. We just jumped in to defend our peep. 🙂 Glad you read the whole thing. It was worth it.

We all do need to RECOGNIZE the dangers that progressivism (aka communism as Obama loves it) poses to our country.

Mr. Williams, I respectfully speak out against your stating “Please stop spreading hate………” Seeing the bigger picture or for that matter, a different picture of Islam than you personally opine, does not make the person with such differing opinion as spreading hate. Not nice and dilutes your thoughtful critique. (Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with this blog, do not have a vested interest in this blog, recently starting commenting as a visitor and respond not from loyalty but from facing the Alynski tactic of calling the opposition of thought “hate speech” )

I actually said in my first comment that it was a very well written article but WE THE PEOPLE, need to just ensure religious tolerance regardless of what other religions do/don’t teach. WBC is just an example of how a real messed up stereotype can ruin a whole group of people.

I live in NC, I was trained to speak Arabic… So get this, me being someone that is trying to better myself goes out and realizes all the guys that work at the food court in Fayetteville, NC are from Egypt. I think this is great I can “Atakalm biluja Arabia fee al sadiki” (I’ll talk Arabic to a friend) <~ translation. These guys see some half white/half Hispanic guy come up speaking Arabic. Immediately they go in defensive mode because they think I'm "spying" on them. Could you imagine living in a country legally and you are afraid to speak your native language because people see you as a "terrorist" just because you speak Arabic. I have done it at resturaunts and you would not believe the dirty looks I would get.

This is kind of more my standpoint. I try not to talk about my background but unfortunately with all the rebuttals I had no choice to expand on who I am. If any of you guys, especially MIRI would like a little short bio I made I can email it to you. It's just my military stuff, I spoke to 4 90minute AFJROTC cadets the other day so I wanted them to have a heads up before I came in and discussed the military and war. I also passed around my "I love me books" (they are just copies of proof that you are who you say you are, because if you don't have it in writing it doesn't exist) its hard because you guys don't get that first.

You can look me up on facebook also. Look up Deleo-Omnia Motoring and I'm the page owner, you won't find me by typing in Damon Wilson on Facebook.

“Religious Tolerance” is a Progressive-specific phraseology and concept with the intent to be used to usurp individual-freedom society/government. Thus, before, we can discuss further, it needs to defined, so we are debating an agreed topic, by you.

I just want to make sure we are sinking in to people’s brains that it is ALL religious extremists we need to worry about not just Islam, and we are clearly identifying the “Islamist extremists” so you guys are right we were aging over miscommunication (which is 90% of the reason why intelligent people argue until they realize they are preching the same thing just from different sides of the boat) you guys addressed my concerns and we all agree now. So in the end it all worked out anyway.

Yes, there are other types of extremists and they all stand a risk to us. But there are some who are relatively harmless and others who are deadly and pose an EXTREME threat to our way of life. Actually, to our lives. Peace. 🙂

It’s not necessary to send us your bio, but if you want to, there’s a “contact us” box where you can send a private message to the moderators. We won’t reveal what you say. Believe it or not, I also have Muslims in my neighborhood and encounter them every time I shop or go out in public. They work around here. Their kids cut people’s lawns. They’re good people and nobody I know assumes they’re terrorists or even sympathize with them, because most of them are refugees FROM the wars. I hear them speaking their native tongues at the stores and what’s heartening is to hear the kids speaking English, with no accent, so quickly becoming Americanized and Americans. It’s not necessary for you to give us a bio just because people rebut your contentions. We take people at face value until we have reason to suspect otherwise. Thanks again for your service. You’re right that there’s no way I can understand what anyone goes through in Afghanistan. If it were up to me, we would never be there–for certain not under the conditions and rules our troops must follow. The “kinder, gentler” way of Bush and Obama war waging does nothing except slow things down and cause more harm to OUR troops and the population. If you’re going to fight, then fight. God bless all those who fight to defend our way of life. I still don’t agree that we must appease them and kowtow to them. Bully cultures respect one thing: Strength.

That lat statement is 100% correct, when we fight we have to fight with an iron fist, to catch a wolf you must be a wolf… Im like what are we doing? Why are we catching a wolf that’s actually a sheep. We don’t NEED to be wolves right now, we need to ensure the safety of our boarders and work on us, we are spread too thin, and BHO wants to commit 10 more years in Afghanistan? For what? Rebuild the dust bowl… Rebuild what, people live in mounds of dirt underground, they dont become extremists because they hate us, they become extremists because that ONE Arabic speaker reading the Koran to them is spewing hate out instead of how an American will interpersonal what they read individually. Just like “Ohh at these madrasas they teach hate!” is it true, yes at some but people think madrasa is a bad word but madrasa means school. Taliban means student. Jihad is meant to be the struggle with oneself. All the stuff these extremists do is haram (forbidden)

But yeah when we were deployed we had to be the good guys that had the capability to be worse then the enemy. Imagine if someone walked into your house and said you will fight or we will kill your whole family right now.. (no fighting back, imagine yourself as hopeless) what do you do?

I understand and I agree with most of what you said. They also need to understand how we feel when someone declares war on us and then blows up 3000 innocent people. We are understandably angry and justifiably want to stop it from ever happening again.

Well, thank you, Rosemary. I think Bridgette’s wonderful post should be shared everywhere, too. It’s long (she’s trying to beat my record!) but WELL WORTH THE TIME TO READ EVERY WORD.

This is what needs repeating. Calling up the “militia”:

“Do what you can to expose them, their agenda, and send them packin’! Citizens, the media isn’t going to help. It is up to you and me to get the word out and let the voters know about these traitors and their agenda. You voted them in, now it is up to you to get them out! Consider yourselves all Paul Reveres! We have an enemy who is attacking us on on fronts. We are the militia that must stop them in their tracks, and the time to do that is now!”

Now is the time. Oh, remember that?

Now is the time for all good men (and women) to COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY.

All I needed to do was click on the poster’s link and “got it” immediately. It’s not so much Dr.Paul himself, but rather his followers who have turned many off to him. Some of his supporters are sincere (and those I respect) , but as of late a great deal of haters/off the charts conspiracy theorists (there are conspiracy theories based in validity or reasonable doubt and then there are conspiracy theories based on pure hatred/jealousy/off the wall/ grasp- at- any- straw wackos) – all amassed under one umbrella in the *guise* of “constitutionalists” who have tarnished Dr. Paul . I feel badly for him and his sane supporters. His message has been overtaken by his “followers” and his campaign has become cultish in many ways. A lot of hatred/weird/wild/wacky con theory, spawned in the name of being a Paul supporter, has turned many off to Dr. Paul’s message itself.

They did themselves no favors by booing Romney’s son off the podium in AZ. Keep in mind, too, that Ron Paul has support among obots, just as McCain did. These people are pretend supporters, there to create chaos. Anything that helps split the opposition to Barry is a win for the progressives. Paul is being used.

Of course it’s already a big tent and many libertarians confuse the ideology with being libertines. The druggies are tempted to it because of the libertarian support for legalized drugs. I actually have nothing against people destroying themselves with drugs. They have the right to do it.

Their right ends when it infringes on MY rights or the rights and lives of others, especially my loved ones, as in when they drive stoned, or go ballistic (like on angel dust) and do violence, or when they show up at work “tweaking” and risk the lives of, for example, children or patients they care for or even, God forbid, people riding in the vehicles (planes, buses, limos) they operate.

Libertarianism doesn’t mean NO RULES. But the anarchists sometimes think it does. Anarchy is a goal in itself, for obots.

Miri, sort of off topic but when you mentioned showing up to work on drugs, I thought of my pet peeve. . . Doctors, even surgeons, can be on depression meds and still administer care (perform surgery). Does not matter the dose.

Is that true? I have seen some horrible doctors working at VCU in Richmond and Irwin Hospital in Kansas. Things that when you are in the OR you can’t believe.

Example: doctor performs surgery, fails to seal the wound appropriately, the pt starts choking on blood (it was a tonsillectomy) I run into the room tying to get an intubation knocked out (we needed to do 15) and I watch a doctor not even put metal to mouth (laryngoscope) she goes right for the camera to tube this lady. She goes for 6 mins!!!! Supposed to pre oxygenate for 1-2 minutes every two minutes of trying to intubate. So 6 minutes to by and she finally says “I can’t get it” so I’m like WTF… What do they do next? They put in a trachea tube (they cut a hole in the woman’s windpipe and stuck a tube in). So I’m off to the side freaking out because for me, there is no such thing as failing an intubation unless the airway is obstructed. It’s just how we are taught. So I pull one of the nurses to the side and I’m like “what gives?” he was like Ohh whatever it’s reversible… I can’t believe it and I walk out of the OR. Another thing they forgot to mention is that because the doctor couldn’t tube her, that woman had to pay for the tracheotomy.

The “doctor” who failed to intubate, all she had to say afterwards was.. “hey you all saw it, it was ‘impossible’ to get.” screw the patient just protect yourself… That’s what’s really important *sigh*

Isn’t this a conspiracy theory website of sorts? You are pulling information from everywhere and putting it together and calling it fact. The only facts are ones that are proven.

Example: do I question if BHO is an American Citizen, yes; however, I don’t have documents in front of me so I can’t be sure, just like no one else can because of an executive order and the 1.4mil he spent to assist in sealing his records.

Call me crazy, but I’m not sitting at home writing posts, I’m sitting in a truck in the woods while it rains, ensuring the safety and health of the future special operators of the world as we speak. It’s easy for you to look me up and think you know me but maybe you should remember the golden rule of you are into that kind of thing.

So Mr Wilson, you seem to be Country over party as most of us here are as well. That is common ground for all of us. Can we start there ? And no, we are not so dreamy eyed to think everything bad will go away in a poof moment if O is not reelected and someone else is. Too many connections to dream of that…It is much more complicated then that. However, not everyone that smiles is one’s friend, and there are so many involved from so many other places that we must look, and what connections we find, we post. I cannot speak for others here but this is my personal feeling.

I completely agree with you. I think my comment was originally taken as some guy attacking this page, how does every one think I got to be the first poster? I’m suscribed to this page and new posts🙂

It sucks for me just as much as it sucks for everyone else. I sit at home and I try and figure out how I can change my life and help more people. I have served 10 years and I work in USASOC as I mentioned earlier. I have been a shooter, and a healer in the military and after ten years I’m getting out because I fell I’m needed elsewhere. My exact medical title is Advanced Tactical Practitioner. I just spent the last year learning medicine which actually puts me 2 years out on my PA, but I don’t feel medicine is enough. Law and Politics need more help then hospitals and clinics.

I was going to become a lawyer out of highschool but times did not permit and after working 2 years with lawyers in HS they kind of upset me when they had no problem representing and getting off known guilty criminals. (Durkin & Boggia, Esqs. Ridgefid Park, NJ) my first job was a tour guide on a WWII Balao Class Sub the USS Ling in Hackensack NJ at 15.

I guess since you will be seeing multiple posts from me on this forum, I should just start slowly leaking who I am out to you guys.

Glad to have you Wilson. We do not always agree here but I find our differences as well as same thoughts very enlightening. It does also bond us ( those seperate opinions I mean) Sometimes we find the most amazing things when we focus together. And we do need to stick together to make anything better. You have seen alot Wilson….Again welcome here.

No, this isn’t a conspiracy theory website. This is a blog devoted to trying to figure out the TRUTH about Obama: Who he REALLY is and what he intends for our country. We want and are trying to find the TRUTH. We’re not calling anything “fact” unless it is fact. We don’t pull information together and call it fact. We present what we find and ask others for opinions.

In what way has anyone here violated the Golden Rule? By disagreeing with you? Or challenging your assumptions and opinions?

Yes, thanks What a Hoot! We do try hard and, imho, we are not biased. If I were biased, then I wouldn’t have even let Mr. Wilson (Ms?) out of moderation. First time commenting. My mistake was not realizing that this would be the first comment. It didn’t seem fair, after all Bridgette’s hard work and the thought that went into writing that excellent post, to see it tarnished by allegations made by someone who ADMITS that s/he didn’t even READ the post to the end.

Very Alinsky like. Excellent job distracting from the purpose of the post, which was to POINT OUT THE HUGE NUMBER OF COMMUNIST SYMPATHIZERS IN CONGRESS AND HOW BARRY AND COMPANY ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE THE MISERY OF COMMUNISM ON OUR COUNTRY, NO MATTER WHAT WE THE PEOPLE WANT.

TY. It’s our goal. Maybe sometimes we do go off the reservation, so to speak. But just because someone is paranoid doesn’t mean that nobody is out to get them. And just because someone sees a conspiracy doesn’t make a conspiracy in fact a conspiracy THEORY.

You are responding like I’m the enemy. Read my other posts, I think it might change your opinion about what I’m discussing here.

Trust me I want to know the truth about BHO, I WANT to believe all the stuff is a conspiracy against him and it’s all fake, but then you read that his ssn has only been used since 1980, his house in Chicago is owned by his lawyer and a judge and those people are commiting realty fraud, who the heck is Harrison j Bounel? His selective service card, his mothers request for a ssn, his BC, the fact that his ssn is a connecticut ssn, Scytl, ES&S, the list goes on… However, it’s all hear say because WE don’t have the documentation.

I’m real when I think that if Obama isn’t doing anything wrong then he has nothing to hide..

April 27 2011 BHO releases BC… All week they call it out as a fraud… What happens one week later May 2nd? Osama bin laden gets killed!!!! All cheer, and the investigation goes until August, but no one cares because Osama is dead.

All BHO family members are dead, can it happen…. Mmmmmm yeah, but what are the odds that all this stuff is happening to the same person?

Trust me I’m on your guys side, but I still can only assume that it’s all just as fake as I can make it real in my head. I want to believe that it is fake, it’s just not working.

I’m responding to what you say. Because I disagree does not mean that I think you’re the “enemy”. Why use such terms? Enemy. Battle. Attack.

Why would you WANT to believe it’s a “conspiracy theory” when someone questions his documents (of which he has NONE). I don’t want to believe it or disbelieve it. All I WANT is the TRUTH. Same with Bush. I wanted to know whether what Dan Rather said was true or not true. If true, then he should have been held to account. I supported him but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t open to the TRUTH about him. These guys are people, not gods.

It’s hearsay because we don’t have the documentation. But our point is and always has been: The onus is on him to provide the documentation. It’s not “eligible” until PROVED “ineligible”, especially when the person locks up all evidence that would show the truth, one way or the other.

It’s IMPOSSIBLE for us to PROVE his ineligibility. He’s the employee. He needs to PROVE his identity and his resume.

How is it that the Boston media is demanding that Scott Brown reveal his college and National Guard records, but somehow Obama is exempt from showing ANYTHING? Do you think if Scott Brown posts his records on his campaign website the media will accept them and not ask for their provenance? Somehow, I think not.

It must be harder for someone in the military to see how LTC Lakin was persecuted for simply asking the question: Are you even eligible to issue commands to me? You must follow this leader, because you’re sworn to. But if he’s not eligible, then what? Besides which, is he even worthy of command when he so disrespects his troops that he will NOT be questioned and will instead destroy a man’s life, reputation, and family simply for daring to question him?

If those birth records are the TRUTH, then he sent LTC Lakin to PRISON for NOTHING. All he had to do was produce the records to LTC Lakin. He WOULD NOT. Now, why is that?

A pain in the butt no Wilson ? LOL ! It’s like Twilight Zone to me. I still wake up each morning wishing it was all a bad dream…It just does not work for any of us either…thus we dig for truth. People and country first as well.

I want to believe its fake, to prevent me from knowing that we “elected” a felon run our country.

One document, the SSS Card.. If that is fake, he is felon.

Could you imagine how this country would react, excuse me, how the world would react to… “United States of America, President Barack Obama, the first Black President is a felon because he never submitted a SSS Card in 1980.”

It would be crazy, and the first legislation BHO signed.

Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13489 on Jan. 21, 2009, one day after being sworn in as the 44th president of the United States.

That’s why he doesn’t have to prove anything. It just adds to the idea he is hiding something. Trust me I have a gun at my side all the time in my apartment wondering if one day the Secret Service will come breaking into my house and make me disappear.

I mean Andrew Breitbart “died” of a “heart attack” the day he claimed he was releasing the video of BHO that will prove who he is. People say… Well you can’t take a heart attack.. Ha.. You actually can, it’s a drug called sodium pentobarbital, will cause a heart attack and also metabolize out of your system before an autopsy. Crazy stuff right.

Gotcha. Yes, it would be nice to believe it’s real but unfortunately, it appears to be bogus which does indicate we possibly have a felon, certainly an EXTREMELY DISHONEST and power hungry person, in office. How would the troops feel if they knew he forged a Selective Service card? I understand why the powers that be, now that they likely KNOW, want to cover that up.

I know right, troops right now (we are mostly sceptics; however, many of the people I’m around are the “keep don’t ask don’t tell” and “no woman in the infantry” and “screw gays” type.) that work around me block it out to prevent what happened to me (this awakening limited by UCMJ General Clause). You start wanting to tell everyone about what you found, but you can not talk bad about the commander in chief, so when I’m discussing all this info, I need to convince them to look everything I said up and not take my word for it. So basically pushing education over my point of the conversation. I still get dirty looks from time to time from other leaders.

The military needs to really identify “Lawful Orders” and “Unlawful Orders” we teach our soldier to “do what they are told” but it’s not always the right thing. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day (he trains lieutenants down in GA in tactics before they become officers) we both agree that soldiers are getting smarter. I dare an NCO to look at one of these soldiers and say “Shoot that guy” the soldier is going to come back and say “that guy is unarmed and I’m not going to jail for killing him, why don’t you shoot him.” old school NCOs take that as disrespect, I take that as a soldier that knows the laws of war. I want that soldier that will grab my arm and say “hey sgt this is bad, real bad so I can re evaluate the situation.” I said my last PSG was going to get someone killed because he wasn’t listening and he was overzealous. I leave the unit after OEF 8 and during OEF 10 I hear he has been removed and someone is dead. I never found out what happened until 2 weeks ago when I met a soldier that has the same squad leader in OEF 10 that I had in OEF 8. I asked him what happened, he said “he walked us right into an ambush because he wouldn’t listen.” my face dropped and I blamed myself for a second because I left and tried out for “other opportunities” and I left those soldiers in the hands of a man that had no business being in charge of 45 guys.

Coming out of the closet. I am a Ronbot and in the Republican primary he is my choice. I also know, from a very involved Dem, that they set people up in the Paul camp to image Paulbots as similar to Occubots. It has been an orchestrated imaging, not for the Dems but for the Repubs. Since my source is reliable (well, to me–known my entire life) I am comfortable saying it will all come out, eventually, that I speak reality. But I won’t say, “I told you so.”

Nasty as in the the Repubs fell for it, hook line and sinker and treating the respectable, well-studied, on subject Paul debater meanly, telling them to shut up and go home, so to speak. They alienate and say they are not a part of the party, for the crime of being supportive of their candidate choice and campaigning for him, then in the same breath insist they had better still vote Republican when it is all over. MSR are bitter from blaming Paulbots for voting off ticket and giving the election over to Obama. MSR hold accountability, too. (And also need to accept that O would have won no matter what with all the fraud) Where were they suppose to go? They were kicked out of the Party. No other candidate spoke up when Paul was ignored at debates or not even invited. They acted like he did not exist, nor his supporters (called derogatory as “followers”). Any one of the candidates would give their eye-teeth for a base of enthusiastic hard working, clean cut supporters like Paul’s (not the image plants). OK. I get off my soapbox now and get back on subject. Excellent article–already posted on facebook. Great history lesson.

The primary system was designed for a candidate to make it to the convention with a majority of votes to be the exception, not the norm. It is a scam to fear a brokered convention. The only time a person gets to vote for who they want is in the primary. If their guy does not win, they vote the party choice. I resent Mitt having it handed to him on a silver platter, so to speak. He should have to work for it, prove himself more. I think the last five candidates standing in the primary should be required to finish the game right up to the convention. Even with a brokered convention, Mitt would most likely walk away with the nomination, but it would make it easier for the masses to get behind him because he won fair and square and not by forced default. Shoot! I said I getting off the soapbox and here I went AGAIN! I will shape up, pronto!

Mitt Romney is BHO, in 08 5 of the top to campaign donations were from the same corporations. BHO basically owns the voting rights to the American people look up Scytls buyout of SOE or look up ES&S founder, hell look up es&s vote fraud. I found out about the ES&S vote fraud and the founder from the letters I wrote to NC Board of Elections, the Lawyer for the BOE stated no Scytl products were being used in nc then says all software is SOE, but later down in the letter he clearly states that he knows about the buyout of SOE by Scytl and justifies my concern by stating it’s not against the law for a foreign company to hold the voting rights to 900 districts 16 states and 32 partials and then says there have never been any proven miscalculations in regard to SOE software, and he brings in checks and balances with ES&S and the Founder… So I look it up and find out that ES&S founder works for BHO in a part of the government that has no authority and can’t do anything in the government anymore (bush signed something before he left blocking this offices powers for some reason) So creator of ES&S BHO supporter, same company also has thousands of miscalculated vote posts all over the Internet, but this lawyer never claimed that there were miscalculations and just happened to not mention that there has been vote fraud with ES&S. So I google this lawyers name, and it comes back “his name=GOP Bastard” so I’m like interesting, I read the article and he is the person that attempted the most to keep Ron Paul off the ticket in 08. A little more info on Scytl, the CEO at his last Chicago based job had his employees donate ~113k dollars to BHO in 08, 1/3 corporate backers to form the company, the administrators of that company donated something like ~10-26k between 6-7 people in 08 to BHO. Why won’t BHO bring up the election fraud? Because Romney can’t beat Obama and no one will question if Obama wins again. If RP goes against Obama and Obama wins, RP supporters will investigate. Why would he actually hurt himself by helping Ron Paul and stop fraud.. But I have no idea what he was thinking when he supported homosexual marriage a day after NC reemphasized that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

The prezodidn’t came out with the support of gay marriage because even though he has the lesbian vote, the rich gay male vote has been dropping. They know the truth about him being gay or at least bi-sexual and do not like how he turned his back on thiem and who/what he is. they also see him as a THUG, user and abuser,. Also, more than likely he is trying to soften the blow when hard evidence comes out of his connection to the gay men at Wright’s church. The most powerfull person in the country right now is Michelle. She knows the truth.

He sure does have the lesbian vote because he’s loaded his administration with them. In fact, I think it’s a prime qualification for those of the female sex. I’ve noticed that DemocRATs seem to prefer their female politicians to be gay. Why that is, I don’t know, but they talk about conservative female politicians exactly how male chauvinists used to, back in the 1950s.

I have to say one more thing about D. William Wilson and me: I think we have a failure to communicate on account of a generation gap. We’re coming at this from different life experiences and different “cultures” in the sense of upbringing and outlook on life. I’m likely old enough to be his mom, if not grandma, sad to admit. 😦

DW has been here a while and I hope he stays to converse, too. We welcome everybody but we don’t want any fights or ad hominem attacks. I just didn’t recognize DW with his new handle. That’s all. Since I didn’t know where he was coming from, then I was “hasty” shall we say. But I still think Bridgette’s post deserved to be read in full and that we NEED to be on topic: which is the dangers of COMMUNISM and similar ISMS that share the ideology of

equal MISERY for all, with the exception of a

RULING CLASS of EFFETES like OBAMA who live like parasites off the labors of others.

That’s probably true. Unfortunately. The biggest problem I have with Paul. Who, did you hear, is suspending his campaign? I agree with Libertarians to a point, especially with regard to individual rights and self-determination; but in a way they’re as ideologically blind as the progressives. We live in the REAL world, not in an ideal world. That was the genius, imho, of the Founders. They allowed for all the faults that human beings HAVE. They recognized our faults and built a system that ameliorates them, as much as possible. Progressives think (or at least they pretend to think) that if we all just hold hands and sing Kumbayah, all will be well. If we only “reach out” to our enemies, they will not take it as a sign of weakness and respond appropriately, in their world view, by cutting off our hands (and heads). Wishing doesn’t make it so.

Israel only had one supported when they went into Iran and blew up their facilities.. That one politician that didn’t condem Isreal? Ron Paul. It’s a common misconception that Ron Paul does not support Isreal, because of the non interventionalism policy.

In 1953 CIA overthrows the elected government of Iran because they were going to nationalize the oil sources for export and become the next power, similar to Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar.
Result: dictatorship and tyranny. Then the powers through the 60s 70s then US is like damn, what now… Right right.. We get a freedom fighter by the name of Saddam Hussien to stop Iran, then we have the battles and war between Iran/Iran and 1979 Iranian missile crisis. Hostages etc etc. I have 2 signs from 1979 Iraq that reads in Arabic “And one nation recalled the eternal message” now that’s deep, Iraq was fighting the extremist tyranny of Iran and quoting that Iran and the people were going against the Koran. What was that eternal message. Well like the golden rule in Christianity, it was “you do not take aa innocent life that has been deemed holy by Allah.” Allah=God its not a different god.

Then we can talk about more foreign policy Ron Paul stated in 1998-2000 telling the US Congress that our foreign policy would lead to an attack on US Soil. This isn’t the peoples fault, this IS the governments fault for not fixing it when RP brought it to the attention of everyone. That’s why people said after 9/11 that the US knew this was going to happen. Just have to listen.

We all know that Isreal can handle their own, look at Palistein, or what happened in Egypt. Isreal destroyed the Arab Coalition Army in days, releasing everyone except officers because “they had too many POWs” (Egypt will swear the second war was a tie, because Isreal was nice enough to give their land back)

There were also many Israeli articles talking about how US Foriegn policy hurts the security of Israel’s boarders because the mainstream public doesn’t see the laundering of money to dictators around the world because “they are good for us right now” well Osama bin Laden was good for America to fight the russians off but when he was upset because the US had forces in Saudi Arabia we were like… Too Bad. Then Saddam Hussein. What about how Castro got into power? Indirectly we caused that, the Farc, Che? Barack Sr? Was he a CIA plan? Soretoro BHO Step Father? Was he A CIA plan? A Col in the Indoneasian military during the overthrow? What about the US plan to blow up jet liners in the Us and claim there were people on them then say that Cuba did it so we could attack Cuba.. The US messing around all over the world was what hurt the boarders of our country. Now we are moving to martial law. Spying: Patriot Act, CISPA, FAA Reauthorization Act. We have an “above the law, police tasking”: NDAA (only a few countries have had policies like this. Communist China, Stalin USSR, Nazi Germany, Dictator Led Egypt) we have Nationalization of natural resources (one of the down falls of Nazi Germany): NDRP we have no freedom of speech areas under a trespassing clause: HR 347

Ron Paul was also accused of not supporting the wars so in the end Osama bin Laden would have never been killed. Another lie because RP asked for letters of marque and reprisal which would have made it legal to send small tactical forces to eliminate all threats without loosing the 1-2 million people to injuries or death.

“you do not take aa innocent life that has been deemed holy by Allah.”

There’s the problem right there and the crux of the matter: “deemed holy by Allah”. But infidels are NOT deemed holy by Allah.

This is off topic of the post, which IS communism and the progressives in our government. Islamists were only a tangential topic, so best to put these comments on the open thread. It’s on the front page–the current one is the “Mother’s Day” post. We have a rule here that we TRY to stay on topic on any post that’s not noted as an open thread. Ok?

And Miri you are correct with these extremists you need a tough hand. The problem is… Who are we fighting? The war on terror? All it has done is made people afraid.

A terrorists job isn’t to kill you, it’s to make you live in fear. So every policy signed into law that “helps protect the safety of the public by stripping civil liberties” is exactly what the terrorists want. They want to change our way of life. So Americans solution.. If we have no freedoms, no one will want to be like us.

Also in reference to woman’s rights (i saw something about this in regard to my comment) yeah WA, a Republican, can’t remember his name, came out and said the reason women make .75 cents on the dollar is because ((women don’t care about money as much as men)) or ((they want to go and do other stuff so that’s why men make more))

In WA women make .75/1 the national avg I believe is .77/1 against women. The reference to equal women’s rights was the repeal of equal pay for women legislation.

I completely agree, I date a feminist and was raised by my mother who worked 3 jobs so we could live in poverty while my step father sat at home watching tv and yelled at my brother and I for not cleaning the house enough.

repealing “equal pay” is not repealing “equal rights” for women. that’s an absurd equivalency. equal protection under the laws is guaranteed by the 5th amendment as against the federal government and the fourteenth amendment as against the states. the state cannot repeal anybody’s fundamental rights to privacy, due process (procedural and substantive), and equal protection.
a guaranteed income is not a fundamental right and neither is getting paid the same amount as some other employee.
repealing an equal pay bill is repealing a bill in which the government injected itself into the free market in the guise of “equality”.

“Absurd Equivalency”. I like that! Sounds like a name for a rock group. We live in a world of absurd equivalency. It’s why it’s SO HARD to debate obots. (Speaking generally. Not referring to anyone here.)

Exactly right: NOBODY is guaranteed an income under our system. It’s not a right. The only right involved is the right to get off your rear and EARN what you want.

It’s fundamentally unfair to force an employer to pay people the same pay, despite relevant differences–like one employee can’t work full time or has not spent equal time furthering her education or has taken many more leaves of absence than others. It has nothing to do with SEX, especially in these days when same-sex couples or even single men adopt and likely someone takes time off or doesn’t devote as much time as other employees to professional development. Used to be, seniority mattered. Now, as with the philosophy that all kids, regardless of talent or achievement, should get a trophy, progressives want everyone to get the same pay no matter how hard they worked or how long they worked for better pay or a promotion. Progressives like this because it makes for a more dependent group of voters and they want to micromanage EVERYTHING. They do not want people to be free, nor do they want companies to be free.

Yeah but you have to read the article and listen to the reason WHY he actually did it. ((because women don’t care about money as much as men)) ((because they get pregnant and they want time off)) this guy can’t be serious.

How about when Rachel Maddow was talking about the .77/1 and the guy kept cutting her off saying “I love your passion, only if you were right.” talking down to her on national tv when.. Well… She was right. Coming back and saying then all companies would higher women because they would be cheaper. The guy didn’t realize that people pay women less because they think they are lesser people, so these companies would rather pay more to men just to not have women in these companies. (this isn’t all companies, these are women intolerant EXTREMEIST companies)

Your right this isn’t taking women’s rights away, it’s just the start. Just like people thought the Patroit Act was no big thing until we are on the verge of minority report (the movie 3 psychics: FAA Reauthorization Act, Patroit Act and Possibly soon to be third psychic: CISPA, our police force/Pre Crime: NDAA and Secret Service and who/what had to be murdered to create this? Too easy, the constitution.)

It’s a start in one state… Then people realize they can get away with it and it’s the “snowball” effect. It started with all civil liberties, then women, then minorities, already homosexuals. This is the land of the free because of the brave and that is being taken from us because of the rich.

@DW: Do you really believe this myth; tis hogwash? Really? “The guy didn’t realize that people pay women less because they think they are lesser people, so these companies would rather pay more to men just to not have women in these companies.” If two people apply for the same job and one is a man and the other a young married woman, and they are equally qualified, I will hire the man — even though I would enjoy working with the woman more. Why? It is called the bottom line. lt is called reality. I don’t want down time, that costs me money while the women is pregnant and having a baby and then being forced to hold her job while she is on maternity leave—AND to then have her at the end of the leave decide she really wants to be just part time or not come back at all. It is a very poor investment. It is called running a business. Coampensation is not just for the equal jobs two people do; it also is directly related to the COST of employing them. It is directly related to the investment and the return investment and has nothing to do with discrimination. The man that has eleven children on the company’s health insurance COSTS the employer more money thus his raises, even if he out performs his junior, is going to be less. Again, it is a business we are running not a jobs program. It is not society’s, government’s, or an employer’s responsibility to compensate for someone’s design by nature. And just because the company next door decides to make cuts elsewhere in the bottom line to be “fair”, does not mean I have to do the same. It may be damn unfair, but , psst. . . .. . . . . . . LIFE IS NOT FAIR.

Really? “This is the land of the free because of the brave and that is being taken from us because of the rich. ” The only taking going on is the collective non-rich forcing the rich to hand over their money, making the “rich” the slaves to the masters on the ruling elite and their non-productive minions. The ruling elite (as in rich) are deflecting their intentions and goals to control onto the non-government rich long enough to keep the eyes of the masses off them,.. . . oh what a sad day when the masses spewing these myths wake up and find out they sold their freedom for a joy ride.

Well said! And so we come full circle and ARE back to the topic of communism.

Hating the rich is part and parcel of COMMUNISM. The examples you gave are perfect to show that what appears to be “discrimination” on account of sex is simply an employer using her FREEDOM and her right to control her own business to make FAIR choices.

You don’t discriminate on account of sex. You discriminate by determining which person does the most to help the company succeed.

You are SO RIGHT to point out how some women game the system and take advantage of their employers by PRETENDING that they intend to return to the jobs being held for them, after they give birth. TOO many women who take maternity leave have NO INTENTION of returning to their jobs, but pretend that they will in order to keep their benefits and salary. By doing so, they deliberately and unfairly damage their employers, their co-workers, and the person who eventually replaces them on the job.

This is a risk that all employers must take now AND it’s a risk that the other employees as well as society have to pay for. The employers WILL pass this added expense on to others, either in the form of higher prices or lower salaries for the rest of the employees. Is that FAIR?

Same for the man with 11 kids. Is it FAIR that sometimes, depending upon the employer’s insurance coverage, a person with one child pays the same premium as a person with 11 kids? No. How is this fair to the single person with no dependents? It’s not.

I’m actually happy to learn that some employers take this into account and reduce the salary of the person with 11 kids. That’s FAIR. Why should the other employees pay the price for that one employee’s choices?

Ditto for the woman who decides to have kids. Why should childless employees pay the price for HER CHOICES? Progressives are all for “choice”. Aren’t they?

I’m not calling for NOT helping others when they NEED help. I’m all for charity, FREELY GIVEN. Not demanded. Not decided by a central government that extracts money from your wallet and decides, for you, who deserves your “charity” and how YOUR hard-earned money should be spent.

Choices have consequences. This whole idea of “fairness” for females touches upon the progressive feminist idea that it’s “not fair” that some people are born female. It’s an odd way of thinking. They despise being female AND they are sexist by definition because they see being born female as a deficit. As a congenital birth defect. An inequality that must be corrected. Women are born victims. It’s almost like a disability, in the same way they see contraception as DISEASE prevention. As Obama sees the potential for his daughters to be “punished with a baby.”

It’t getting pretty bad for Barry when even Campbell Brown is on his case for condescending to women. She actually ridicules his “Julia” campaign slideshow and sounds like she’s becoming a small government person!

in reference to this then why are the some of the rich coming out and saying hey tax me more. I see where this website is now. You guys are correct, My philosophy will never ever be rooted in this page at all, because some of the people on this page dont realize that the basis of life is morality, so if you dont higher a woman because of down time and its a poor investment, thats garbage. This will be in turn my last post on this website.

You need to invest in people period, Steven King and Warren Buffet have came out and said they should be taxed more. I think King donates 4mill a year to charities. How much do each of you donate back to the people? when was the last time you went out and did something for the people? these are rhetorical questions.

Who here claims to be a christian, i hope you dont hoot. This brings me back to the unwarranted hatred for muslims and this unethical backing to a poor philosophy and calling it religion. Miri, i see a lot of thanking going out to people with radical ideas… Ill tell you guys what this is how radical muslim extremists were created.

I request that all you have peace in your heart, and you can come to a greater state of enlightenment. I will say this and im sorry, but many people here are the dagger in the other side of this nation just assisting the collapse. This may be the truth, and it may not. I see that a lot of anger drives this page, not understanding and i will no longer follow or recommend this page to anyone, it is difficult for me to say, but you guys have a great idea here but you will always be a conspiracy theory website just because of how un willing people are to accept that some of the ideas posted can be discredited with lines of experience all over the world.

Hey you see where this website is now? Do you really? There are thousands of readers on this website, and many different commenters. It really depends on what the subject matter is as to who responds. We do have lots of regulars, and they will comment on lots of things.

We offer varieties of subjects, and it is a very, very political site – no doubt there. But if we didn’t have different points of view, it wouldn’t be very exciting would it? We love discourse, and rather enjoy reading what others think or believe, or how their experiences have shaped their lives and beliefs. It is great when people leave information about articles they’ve read that they think the community should read.

The one common viewpoint that we are known for is for debunking all the lies that are proffered to us by the Left and especially the lies that surround the usurper. We dissect them with a knife. They used to be able to pull the wool over our eyes, but we have recognized their tactics and patterns. We can even anticipate their next moves and what to expect. They still surprise us with their antics, but then we realize we should have seen it coming as they dropped the cues for us to pick up.

This article was to alert people to the goals of the communists (Ismistas) and to note how far they have come in distorting our traditions and values and basically turned what was once abnormal into thinking it is mainstream thinking. They have invaded every organization, agency and government office. Just by reading their goals you can identify with what they have accomplished.

My point in bringing up the Muslim Brotherhood was to show that the Left is in sync with their goals. Both are using the same tactics. Both lie, steal, and cheat to reach their ends and it is accepted as normal behavior and they are taught what to say and how to say it. To us they are anti-American, misfits, and should be considered our enemies. Most people should know by now that the Brotherhood are extremists and they are represented by CAIR in the US. CAIR lies and exaggerates continually, but they were given support by the Obama administration even though the FBI considers them a terrorist affiliate and the group that funneled monies to Hamas.

Knowing that the Ismistas will do or say anything as a means to an end will bring about our end UNLESS we take action to remove them from every position of power or influence.

Socialism/Communism/Marxism have permeated our government and the uneducated do not know the consequences of supporting these ideologies. They have not studied the countries who live under the oppressive regimes. I don’t know if they are getting a rose colored glasses education from the Left about what they can expect, but somehow I think so. I thought it the minute I saw that black gal during 2008 who said she was voting for Obama because he was going to pay for her car and her gas…he was going to pay alll her bills and life was going to be just great. I wonder what she says now..

the patriot act, ndaa, etc. all the things you cite to prove the incrimental infringement on individual liberties are all pieces of government legislation. REPEALING government legislation that infringes on individual liberties and the free market are not infringements. they are the OPPOSITE.

Thank you Miri and thank you Renee. All very well said. I spent a lot more time in the middle east than this “patriot” has. I am also a US Army vet. I don’t use that as a shield. If I were to step out of line, I would expect to be told to crawl back under my rock.

Thank you for setting little Willie straight. He is really full of hisself. (Lame Cherry speak).

Moderate Islam has done little to nothing to condemn the hatred being spread.

I would suggest that D. William take a trip over to Ann Barnhardt’s. for a really good spanking. You gals have been too kind to him.🙂

TY, Ray. And here I was feeling guilty for being mean. Really, we love D. and are happy he’s here. Had I recognized D. William Wilson as someone who has commented here before, I might have cut him more slack. I was simply upset to see Bridgette’s post dissed right away, because I know how much thought and work she put into it and I was standing up cheering, “Well said!” Maybe I overreacted. If so, then I apologize. 🙂

Since you are calling me out Ray. So what’s your MOS? Position? Who are you to the military? I’ll email you my erb right now slice.🙂

You spent some time overseas, haven’t we all. Where were your deployments? Ever hear of the Korengal Valley aka Valley of Death? Remember not all deployments are rated the same. So we can go record to record, I want to make it clear that I take the Stolen Valor Act very seriously so if there is something out of place I will request you show proof of your statement. My record is free game for anyone. Like I said, I have nothing to hide.

I have limited time overseas because I have been in a training program for the last 2.5 years that only about 3% of the army have the opportunity to be in, and only about .6% get the job I was offered the opportunity to complete, so bring your a game.

D William Wilson | May 14, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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Call me crazy, but I’m not sitting at home writing posts, I’m sitting in a truck in the woods while it rains, ensuring the safety and health of the future special operators of the world as we speak.
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Military terminology would NOT be I’m sitting in a truck….busted D whatever! your only intention is high jacking this thread. Yes you have posted here before why? so that maybe we would gain your trust? Ray saw through you and called you out. My only question is, why was this guy not banned after his first comment on this thread? Miri you started to see what his intentions were then you went soft. We have all researched his type play book for four years now, we all know better than to fall for it.

I guess it didn’t record my last post and I’m still waiting for Ray to come back because he is the only one that actually tapped a nerve. All you other guys are just defending Bridgette but there is no need to defend her from me, we are very clear that we are all on the same side, except for Ray. If he is in fact someone I should respect, then I will but from his remarks I’m not so sure.
Why would I study a website called prophetofdoom? How ignorant would I be if I based my idea of Islam off of an extremist website? I think I learned Arabic and Muslim culture how i should have in a school in the united states unbiased with a teacher from Egypt. (don’t get me wrong my teacher and I didn’t always see eye to eye.)

I could do the same thing with the bible, wait… Don’t have to, Westboro already did it. http://Www.godhatesfags.com I understand that these people haven’t infiltrated anything yet, but don’t you think Islamic extremists started the same and people were like “Ohhh they are so small, they can’t do anything.”

Plus we have to look all the way back to 1953 to realize how the US changed the middle east.

Sorry kitty, that wasn’t for you. I had poor service in the woods. I just don’t feel like an extremist website would be my first choice to learn about a new religion. I feel like studying in a school with a teacher from Egypt worked really well. It was an Arabic class where you had to test out 1/1 to pass (speaking and listening) and understand the culture.

That’s like me saying hey you want to learn what Christianity is all about, go to godhatesfags.com it’s Westboro baptist church they are the most accurate Christians.

D. I studied Islam and Arab cultures, too. I read the Koran. I know what it says. The difference between that and Christianity is that Christians don’t hold to the “old ways” as depicted in the Old Testament. I can’t say the same for MUCH of Islam. It’s not a religion of “peace”. It’s a religion of SUBMISSION. It had its roots in militarism. They don’t believe in tolerance and freedom for OTHER religions. Can our troops take their Bibles to Saudi Arabia? No. Can the wives of US workers in Saudi Arabia walk free? No. We saw their tolerance in Spain, when they tolerated Jews and Christians, so long as they ACCEPTED their SECOND CLASS status (dhimmitude) and paid extra taxes just for being. I don’t hear many imams preaching tolerance and peaceful coexistence, and I don’t hear many coming out forcefully against the radical imams. Sure, they’re threatened. So are we. That’s my point. We choose/chose to fight back. And we’re blamed for it, AS IF we would be safe if we simply stopped fighting. NO, we MIGHT be safe if, and only if, we SUBMIT. That we Americans WILL NOT DO. Nor will the Israelis.

I don’t want an extremist website either, DWW, but their writings state what they mean and mean exactly what they say. That website is trying to show the writings, and it shows them very well. Mohammad was a man of violence, among other things. Nothing in truth is decided upon the mouth of only one witness. The sacred Scriptures of truth do not work that way. It’s upon the mouth of two or more witnesses of how truth is settled. They only had one witness, one prophet. It was in 8th century C.E. (that’s A.D.) for Mohammad. Before that, this religious system did not exist. For one thing, the Muslims worshiped hundreds of deities. Including the Moon deity, which was a biggie for them.

Their works are a combination of the Talmud, some things were taken from their writings, and some agnostic Christian works and writings. It’s not even chronological. And if you wish to study with your Egyptian teacher, more power to you. But when you get serious and want to learn truth, you’ll have to probably do deeper without someone who is going to teach you bunk!

That looks like an interesting book. I was reading some of the parts of the Koran one day at the prophet of doom place, and it was talking about how they are told to gain someone’s trust, like us or whoever, and then after you gain their trust by being friends with them, then you kill them. Not too good teachings.

I’d like to read it. I heard about it on the radio, too, and they point out that unlike with Jesus, there are no contemporaneous mentions of this guy in any publications from those days. Now, seeing as how Jesus predated him by 600 years, you’d think he’d get SOME coverage in the records of the time. Zilch. And aren’t we told how Muslim society was on the cutting edge of all civilization? Writing, publishing, architecture, etc.? NOT.

I Agee and the problem is that the east has been war stricken so they are centuries behind us overall. The illiteracy rate in Afghanistan is like 80 percent so if they plan to develop they need education, unfortunately the education system is flawed because all the new leadership in Afghanistan is old Taliban🙂 go figure right. All those people that did the terror attacks were trained in the US. Christianity wasn’t so understanding a few hundred years ago. Like slavery, best believe there are sections in the bible that say ((obey your master like you would obey god)) this is why the Muslim religion seems so full of extremists, low education yield high radicals. The higher the education the lower the radicals.. That’s why WBC is only about ~80 deep the last time I checked.

It is just important to not stereotype as it is to be aware of their teachings.

Willie, I really don’t give a rat’s a$$ who you are or where you have been. If you stood up for our country, I commend you for that. But don’t pop you cocky arse in here thinking you are holier than thou. The people on this blog do what they do with the sincerest or heart and I have never seen any ill intent here. They are my heroines.

You may consider some counseling or some ointment for that rash, hero.

I’m not talking about these other people, I think they are great. If you want to come out and attempt to discredit me, explain to me how you have so much experience. I never used my military experience as an excuse for anything because I’m pretty sure to use an excuse you have to go back on something you say. I have not gone back on anything I have discussed. You, my friend, decided to tell me I’m not correct and I need to go into the hole I crawled out of.

So don’t stop now. What you hear Stolen Valor Act and now you realize that you can’t talk about how you were CAG or something like that? I used my military positions for these freedom fighters to understand my standpoint. When you are handing out pillows to the Muslim people of Afghanistan with the Medivac red and there is a foot of snow on the ground… You see the smiles of the Muslim people in Afghanistan it really changes perspective. I hated HA patrols but I’ll tell you I love to help people and I love to see the kids smile when you give them a piece of candy, or a bottle of water. It doesn’t matter how many times you get shot at, I honestly felt we (our platoon, company, battalion) was making a difference regardless of what the higher ups motives were. When I heard that 4th ID left the korengal, I cried… Over 50 solders died in that Valley in 5 years. I lost 7 friends there (all direct fire) 3 medics and that’s why I became a Medic after my time as infantry. I am emotionally attached and always will be to the “Valley of Death” where the man that convinced me to be infantry, SFC Blaskowski, by being shot in the battle of the argendab valley in OEF6 after he jumped on a soldier to prevent him from being shot (he was awarded the silver star for his actions) was killed in OEF8 by being shot through both his lungs and his heart by a sniper. Don’t believe me? Look up his name, aljazeera was out there when it happened and I can post the link from YouTube.

Who really wants to know me? I feel like I can be an asset to this community, I know I’m only 29 but those years feel like 45. You can look up my forum name and find out tons about me dsc201knoc. Search my name and much won’t come up, you will see tons of BMW stuff, did I mention I have worked on cars for 15 years and specialized in BMWs for the last 5. I realize that when people say this stuff it’s usually to boast themselves and most of it is not factual, but anything I have posted here can be verified and I can send proof of anything I state here.

Ray can you do the same? Did you say you were military just so you could tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about? Or did you actually say you were the military so people can understand your perspective? Soldiers and civilians don’t think the same. Infantry and soft skills don’t think the same (I know because the best part of being an infantryman was that I was a cook first, which coined the nickname cookie from my infantry brothers, now my soldiers call me doc) and lastly special operations is a completely different mindset then conventional military troops.

You didn’t expect this? You thought I would let you degrade my name? We are both here in front of all these people, what are you afraid of? Or should I be afraid? I know to respect all posters because I DO NOT know who you are but lets be real, give me something that will make me back off. If you are on the same standpoint as me, you know key words that will make me stop.

If you say “Orange” or “CAG” or anything along those lines I’m going to need to see some proof. If you have nothing to hide you wont mind sharing your DD214. I will be sending my erb, ncoers and awards and decorations with my military career summary, we can both do the same and let Miri decide. She is the moderator, I will give her free reign, and if she requests I stop requesting info from you I will stop.

D, we take everyone at face value here until we have a reason to think otherwise. I totally believe what you’re telling me, and I believe Ray, too. Let’s not, please, fight amongst ourselves. We honor both of you for your service. I’m not THE moderator. I’m one of five, although three of us are the ones who are here most often and sometimes there’s nobody online. We do what we can, when we can. Peace. Please.

if Islam is not a problem, why are our Troops there and stripped of their culture and forced to forget the Traditions of God, Country, Family back home? which is here. Islam is antithetical to The Constitution.
That’s a Fact. on every level. who walks around in a black sheet? you can’t see me, but I can see you. peekaboo.
if they wanted to coexist, they’d take minute and look up Canon Law and see that it doesn’t trump the Laws of our Country. and nobody gets killed.

Speaking of Communism and Communist Leaders, here is my latest post on Facebook. I try to keep FB social and more about me and family but, well being me that is not always easy to do. So, I dedicate Mondays as my “politics” day and “Save the Country Day”. This post here inspired me to boldness. One of today’s rants:

“How can this guy be the president of the United States of America? He keeps referring to the USA as a democracy which WE ARE NOT! If we were a democracy, majority would rule. Really. The United States of America is Republic. Big Difference. In this speech he refers several times to our ‘democracy’ and moving forward. This is talk, both historical and current, is straight and pure Communist talk. Are Americans so uneducated that they don’t know the difference between a democracy and a republic? How can one oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and preach democracy AND operate against the oathed Constitutional Republic? Can’t. To do so, one/s must take over the Republic. It is being done right before our eyes. And no one cries, “Treason”.

It’s been said that the most important role in our democracy is the role of citizen. And indeed, it was 225 years ago today that the Constitutional Convention opened in Philadelphia, and our founders, citizens all, began crafting an extraordinary document. Yes, it had its flaws – flaws that this nation has strived to protect over time.Questions of race and gender were unresolved. No woman’s signature graced the original document – although we can assume that there were founding mothers whispering smarter things in the ears of the founding fathers. [Applause from the gallery] I mean, that’s almost certain.

What made this document special was that it provided the space – the possibility – for those who had been left out of our charter to fight their way in. It provided people the language to appeal to principles and ideals that broadened democracy’s reach. It allowed for protest, and movements, and the dissemination of new ideas that would repeatedly, decade after decade, change the world – a constant forward movement that continues to this day.

Our founders understood that America does not stand still; we are dynamic, not static. We look forward, not back.

I wonder what document he is talking about…might it be the US Constitution that is so flawed? Flaws we’ve strived to protect? Does that make any sense at all? The Constitution dealt with nation building and setting up a government by the people and for the people (I assume race and gender were covered by the word, people). Who was left out of the charter exactly – if people meant all people? Should they have been more explicit and named all the races they knew about at the time, or designated males, females, and gays. Would that make that flawed document more palatable to Obama?

His words are not noteworthy and his interpretation is extremely flawed. The document that our country has relied upon for 225 years is only flawed in the eyes of those who don’t like the rules and laws that govern our nation.

Our affirmative action usurping president probably can’t write two paragraphs to equal any of those in that flawed document. He’d probably get writer’s block – or that would be his lame excuse.

Yes, in Barry’s mind the Constitution has flaws that WE the flawed (white) racist people who cling to guns, religion, and xenophobia have TRIED to protect. That’s how stubborn and wrong the American people are. They have this “flawed document” and they will dig in their heels and RESIST with all their might changing it to suit BARRY, who wants to give “equal rights” to gays but more important–to redistribute the wealth of others. Those evil (did I say WHITE?) Founders made up this onerous system that requires the Congress and the states and the People to actually agree to amend it. It’s so hard and so wrong. The People resist Barry’s right to simply decree how it SHOULD READ, leaving him no choice but to be a dictator and go around this flawed Constitution in order to make things “right”.

“Yes, it had its flaws – flaws that this nation has strived to protect over time”

The only flaws HAVE BEEN RECTIFIED/RATIFIED AND IT WAS THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, UNFLAWED, THAT ALLOWED FOR THE CHANGES.

See how he is framing the next mission or story of his doctrine, I mean agenda? It frames those striving to protect the second amendment or the NBC clause as striving to protect a FLAW equivalent to racism. Treasonous.

The Founding Fathers probably never considered “gender” because it had nothing to do with human beings. Gender was something that WORDS had. Then some “sexologist” decided to use it to define sexual orientation. So when Barry talks about “gender” he’s talking about lesbian, gay, “trans-gender”, transexual, bi-sexual, and whatever other new word they’ve come up with in the realm of social “science.”

SEX is the word he SHOULD use when speaking to WOMEN. WOMEN, FEMALES, were discriminated against. God made them male and female. That’s it. He’s talking “psychological genders”.

They want to control the language and change meanings for one reason: power. He’s still speaking to his “gay” peeps, even when he pretends to be speaking to women.

Why doesn’t he take THIS SPEECH to MECCA? Then I just might stand up and applaud him for his courage. I quadruple dog dare him to PROVE that he TRULY cares about FEMALES having equal rights, GLOBALLY.

More of his triangulating, PRETENDING as if he cares about the Constitution and female rights and also reveres the Founders.

A student at Barnard College, Ayelet Pearl, has written a stirring protest to President Barack Obama’s commencement speech yesterday. Noting that the president’s words were “beautiful,” Pearl nonetheless objected to the use of the historic women’s college as a political prop, and said that the event left her feeling “stereotyped, simplified, and used.”

Pearl, a junior, pointed out in her article in the Columbia Political Review that while many Barnard students shared President Obama’s enthusiasm for “change,” they did not necessarily agree with his policies:…

She also objected to the assumption by Barnard administrators that “all” the women at Barnard shared Obama’s political agenda, and the same conformist liberal orthodoxy: Barnard President Debora Spar, in an interview on MSNBC, boldly told the show’s hostess that “they’re [Barnard students] all huge fans [of Obama].” Is that true? Can the president of Barnard College say, in good faith, that every single one of her students is a fan of President Barack Obama? Are we that unindividual? Or are we just a liberal student body, and, as women, a key component of the Democratic vote? Too often, the assumed answer is yes.

I think they don’t do anything because it’s in the constitution to allow freedom of gathering and protest. I saw footage the other day of police officers not just detaining occupy people but beating the… Out of them… What ever happened to the freedom of protest and assembly? How can Americans use that type of force on US citizens? It’s appalling, it is worse thought they won’t mess with Muslims because of the sensitive topics but then are beating the crap out of people on the other side of town. It just shows how the government in its entirety may need an over haul

Do you know that Occupiers STAGE these incidents that they film and falsely call police brutality? There’s infamous video of a motorcycle cop supposedly running over a guy’s leg. In truth, the cop was sitting still and the guy took a pratfall and then shoved his leg under the wheel of the motorbike, and then started screaming, as the cell phone camera rolled. They edited the tape to make it APPEAR as if the cop had run over his leg. This is just ONE example. Recently, in Chicago, where the obots plan massive rioting, the authorities said they would NOT enforce an IL law against filming cops doing their jobs. To make it even better, they persuaded an IL court to throw out that law completely, a law which has been in effect since the 60s.

They WANT to let the Occupiers film the cops, as the Occupiers incite confrontations, real or imagined, and then use the videos as PROPAGANDA.

Where is this footage? I’d like to see it for myself. I’ve seen many instances where they accused cops of brutality and assault where NONE happened. Just like they trump up hate crimes where none exist.

After watching that video, it reminded me of others we have seen where there is one leader (and his face wasn’t shown – but I’d be willing to bet he would be identified as a common agitator and not a student), and he yells out what they are to parrot – and the mob repeats his words. The twinkles up, twinkles down group of Marxists.

The fact that all of these students – infiltrated no doubt by Leftists intent on causing problems – would not obey the law is telling. Our laws aren’t for them, unless it benefits their cause. The police were very professional with what they were up against. Those so called students said they owned the university…really?

It was noticed how they changed their tune from being students to telling the police not to pepper spray the “children.” Indeed they were acting like little children, yet using all of the 1960’s protest tactics they were taught and that were described in the different OWS websites.
Their 60’s mentors should be so proud of their “students.” Absolutely disgusting.

I wish there had been triple the police and they had shown their power …and started putting those kids into paddy wagons.

Aug 26, 2010 … This is in New York City on Madison Avenue, not in France or the … Again, our apologies to the Muslim community for propagating this … .com/2010/08/16/ muslims-block-traffic-to-pray-in-new-york-city/ …. has on ocassion had the overflow outside blocking the sidewalk,rugs and all—permit ? i doubt it- …

Islamic Topics – Muslim Street Prayer NYC … and in some cases the police are there to ensure the safety of those who block the streets. … Rome), and all over the world (Athens, Brussels, Birmingham, Cordova, Moscow, New York). … in the habit of occupying sidewalks and streets near the mosques and of diverting traffic

free speech and assembly are guaranteed under the first amendment. but, to avoid anarchy, the protection is not absolute. if the regulation against speech (including conduct considered symbolic speech) is content-neutral (the statute or ordinance does not address any particular type of speech or subject matter) then it depends on the forum as to what kind of protection it has.
If it is a public forum, the regulation is held to strict scrutiny which means the burden is on the government to show that the regulation is narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government interest. it may not sound like it, but this is a very high standard.
If the forum is not a public forum, the rule is the prohibition on speech must be reasonable as to time, place, and manner.
Public forums are those traditionally held out for speech like the town square, parks, courthouse steps, etc. in these locations, you can pretty much assemble and say whatever you want. There are also designated public forums, ones which are not traditional but the government has opened it up for speech, like public universities and public schools after hours.
all other public property is considered a non-public forum : Intersection, Schools during school hours, Court Buildings, Military Bases, Mailboxes/Inboxes, Airports, Hospital, Poling/Voting place, Utility Pole, Public Bus, Post Office, etc. they are public, but not forums.
the prohibitions against speech in these areas must be reasonable as to time, place, and manner. they must be content-neutral AND viewpoint neutral. if one group with a particular message is allowed to speak in that place and another with a different viewpoint is not, it is unconstitutional.

so, intersections are NOT public forums and the government can prohibit persons from standing in the middle of them and blocking traffic as long as the regulation is reasonable – no brainer there. but if they open it up and allow one group to use it, then they have to treat all groups equally, or it would be an infringement based on viewpoint.

Bottom line – they are not protected by the first amendment when they stand in the middle of an intersection and stop traffic, an intersection is for travel, not speech. they can go onto the sidewalk and knock themselves out.

The protest group that stormed President Obama’s Chicago campaign headquarters today was founded by a Communist sympathizerrecently named by Obama as a “great” reformer.Obama has ties to several other activists plotting chaos in Chicago this week in the leadup to the NATO summit that starts on Friday. Dozens of protesters slipped past security guards today and ran up escalators at the Obama Chicago campaign headquarters to kick off what they called a “Week Without Capitalism,” reported the Chicago Tribune.Eight protesters, cheered by other demonstrators, reportedly were led out in handcuffs after they refused to clear the lobby.

The protest reportedly was organized by the Catholic Worker Movement, or CWM, founded by the late radical Dorothy Day, a journalist who wrote for Marxist newspapers.

CWM protests capitalism as an economic system that is “far from God’s justice” and calls for “a withdrawal from the capitalist system so far as each one is able to do so.” CWM calls for the nonviolent destruction of capitalist society to rebuild a socialist utopia.

Discover The Networks notes that CWM recommends “a complete rejection of the present social order;” “a withdrawal from the capitalist system so far as each one is able to do so;” and “a non-violent revolution to establish an order more in accord with Christian values.” Such measures are to be used, according to CWM, to create a “new society within the shell of the old” – “a cooperative social order” of “communitarianism” without “extremes of wealth and poverty.”

This February, Obama used the annual National Prayer Breakfast to uphold Day as a “great” reformer. Declared Obama: “Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, Jane Addams, Martin Luther King, Jr., Dorothy Day, Abraham Heschel – the majority of great reformers in American history did their work not just because it was sound policy, or they had done good analysis, or understood how to exercise good politics, but because their faith and their values dictated it, and called for bold action – sometimes in the face of indifference, sometimes in the face of resistance.”

From his wonderful 2006 speech about how progressives “need to” coopt the language of religion in order to change hearts and minds and turn everyone in to good little commies:

“But what I am suggesting is this – secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King – indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history – were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.”

His speechwriters plagiarize and paraphrase each other. Progressives are green, so they believe in recyling.

you’re so right miri. I must remind everyone about the Gamaliel Foundation. Comprised of many of these progressive ,reformer,peace activist,social justice offshoots (like Tides and Acorn are affiliated to Gamaliel). Ayers being at one time the head of Gamaliel. Don’t forget them cause they are still working hard and will be come election time. Gamaliel sounds like the most peaceful, religious indoctrinated group ,fashioned straight from biblical quotes.There were at least fifteen other named groups associatied with Gamaliel that no one has ever even mentioned or realized exist and all named after profits in the bible. Found them long ago on a project vote calendar long ago and explored them a bit. Dorothy Day probably belongs to one of these groups.

Just so you guys know, though I defend Islam, I am not Muslim. I also defend true christianity, not what main stream christians believe to be christianity, though I am also not a Christian. I am Agnostic with Buddhist tendencies, one thing I am truly missing is my meditation and freeing my soul on the path to enlightenment. These comments are loosely based off of Buddhist writings. Yet again look at my first post and relate it to all my other posts, they all preach understanding over anything else.

I am a strong believer in Karma, and your life IS based off of works; therefore, my strong belief of seperating Extremists from any Mainstream Religion.

Sorry, but being an Agnostic with Buddhist tendencies,and trying to free your SOUL. You mean your Soul is like a FREE RADICAL , huh? You so need some enlightenment Karma man. What would you know about defending TRUE christianity if you base your life off works? You’re young , I can tell, with ideals , afraid to give your soul over to anything you percieve as Extreme. Typical of young idealistic dear Souls.

Greetings All,
D. William Wilson, I would have responded earlier but I coached a little league game last night, attended a minor league game after that, and then played bridge till three in the morning with two nephews that are on their way to the middle east for a few months, leaving in the next few days.
Sorry for referring to you as little Willie. I just found it fitting, since you opened up, right off of the bat, showing everyone here how big your stick was. I think most everyone here sees where you are coming from at this point. I think it just seemed to some (me) that you came looking for a fight.
Thanks for your service. I never questioned your creds, I just wasn’t sure you were a patriot. Forget about seeing my DD-214 (it is boring, compared to yours) and I already know more about you than is enough. I guess you could call me an old man, as I was crawling around in those woods at Bragg and Lejeune before you were born. It is a different world now, I am sure.
As far as being immersed in Islamic culture, I spent almost much time in the sand as you have in long pants. My wife was born and raised in the middle east. She also holds three law degrees. So if you plan on taking that route, I suggest you learn how to play bridge, in advance.

Seems to me, at this point in your life, you are still all heart. And that is a good thing. I know that you have been through hell and back.

I know just what it is like to look into the eyes of young bedu children, when you have won their hearts. There is nothing more gratifying. Nothing could be worse than knowing that you got too close to a family as having an old mother tell you to get your head down (convert) and marry her fourteen year old daughter.
The Bedouin are the purest, as most of them have not been re-programmed.
Their religion has been hijacked, on a large scale. The tyrants that rule over them use the religion to keep the multitude dumbed down.
The masses find it comforting to be treated as children by those administering the religion.
Many college educated muslims adapt to western life styles while they are away. But most are quickly brought back into the rigid confines upon returning. I don’t think I was ever as surprised as once when I was sneaking a cup of coffee with a muslim drinking buddy during Ramadan. He introduced me to a friend that had spent four years in one of our ivy league schools. They are both breaking the rules of the fast, but the one gent happens to notice that the bottom of my shoe is pointed in his direction. Suddenly a chill came over our private little meeting. Point is, sometimes in islam, culture trumps religion.
I have also had long time associates tell me that in islam, if they could not convert me, then it was ok to kill me.
I have also had a very close mutawa friend tell me not to leave the middle east thinking that I had seen the true religion, because it wasn’t being practiced there.

Unfortunately, most good muslims don’t have the inner strength to get up and walk out of the mosque when pure hatred is being preached.
I had another very westernized friend tell me that he thought the Twin Towers was a mistake, but the Pentagon was fair game.
I have many, many, good friends in the middle east, but I often wonder, when it gets right down to the nut cutting, how many of them would have the strength to hide me, if it ever came to it. I can only think of a hand full.
Last of all, Hero, and I really mean that, if you are still in uniform, I am not sure that you should publicly discuss some things.

Attamana lak al fawfik wa najat. = I wish you good fortune and safe from harm.

TY, Ray. And thanks again for your service. And the insight you provided here. I feel as you do about what’s being publicly discussed. Nervous making and dangerous, I think, in light of what’s happened to others.

Miri, that place that I linked about Allah — The Moon God, if you’ll look down at the bottom, there’s some more information. It’s called this: The Cult of the Moon God. Read some of that when you get a chance. It has various places where the Koran stole from the Talmud and gnostic Christian writings. You can click these links when you get there. It’s very interesting, and I wish that I had more time:

Thanks, Kitty. I will look at it when I find time. I learned much of this in college BEFORE the political correctness struck. That means pre-Carter, pre-Iranian crisis, pre-blame-the-USA-for-making-them-do-it. They have the same attitude towards us that they do towards women in general. Women ARE TO BLAME if they incite men to lust, rape, violence. It’s THEIR FAULT, not the man’s fault. He’s not responsible for the emotions he feels or the actions he takes in response to them. The blame BELONGS with the one who elicited the emotion. That’s why WOMEN must be covered up, so they don’t incite lust in men. That’s why WOMEN are blamed for being raped, unless four men witness it and testify against the rapist. Even then, SHE’S dishonored her family.

So if it’s a woman who “tempted” him or a country that “disrespected” him or his religion, whatever, it’s the woman and the country that must be punished. He is blameless.

Locus of control. I think that’s what they call it in psychology. But I learned about how Islam was a creation of military minds who wanted something around which they could UNITE all the warring tribes in the Middle East. They saw how cohesive Chrisianity was, so they took from all religions, adding to their own earlier one. The Kabaa in Mecca. That was a pre-Islamic shrine.

so now two people have attempted to discredit me on this website off of ignorance, i will not be a part of a site that sees life through blinders.. Ray you have something to say, you get my email from Miri and say something. Same for the other person that had no idea of the topic i was discussing. those two have a lot to learn.

Wilson, you are really uptight. You need to relax. From an American point of view, note the info on blocking streets and sidewalks for praying. Purpously blocking people in their own countries on their own streets. Wilson do you think this is nice ? respectful ? cordial ? endearing ? really, honestly ? Do you ?
I find it to be taunting. I find it to be rudeness, plain and simple. I find it to be an act to show dominance and control. I have many friends from all parts of the world and they would never do this, but some do obviously.
Do I have a right to be offended ? I believe so. If I moved to France and told a son that he could sex the French girls but not marry them what would I be ? A horrible guest is what. And worse. If I went to a middle eastern country I could not send my kids to public school, own a house or business there. How is that to you for double standards ? Fair ? I do not believe in discrimination but I also believe people must have good manners. If rude they will not set an example. If dominating they will not be liked. If they push further it only gets worse. If I were new to a free, modern country I would be trying to fit in my friend not dominate. I would not dare turn up my nose to locals if my kids made friends. I would not dare to have a superior attitude or expect to be given special rights. I would try to FIT IN, not presume to be better then others. I would be an idiot to feel otherwise. I treat others as I wish to be treated and would never step on toes like these street- sidewalk blockers are. I consider this low class, haughty, rude and over reaching of these people. Like I said, it is not endearing anyone to them. They are behaving badly, not me. I have a clear heart, but this really bugs me. If you consider me a conspiracy person for this opinion, then I would have to wonder about you. I find it normal. From a group that do not even feed the people in their jails, I know how I would be treated over there.I find it to be a one sided love affair-sorry. I agree with you about the ignorance level connecting to the radical but then I think of how someone so ignorant could relocate across the globe and I cannot blame this rude attitude on ignorance. They know they are over reaching, are being rude and taunting. Come on Wilson, people are not so ignorant. They know what they are doing is mean, they just do not care. It is about dominating. Bullies- agressive. No way to endear one to anyone. Just my pet peeve. Very telling in my opinion.Do you agree ?

TU Kitty. Some people have a way of rubbing people just to be mean. I find that very vile. It made me very angry at these people. They are too pushy for my tastes. It feels the same as reading today that illegals are planning to file a lawsuit with their demands for citizenship re: the dream act. Am I the one that is DREAMING ? Pushy no ? When they are ILLEGAL in my country they DEMAND citizenship ? Like a child that demands someone elses cookie after breaking in their home ? Really ?

True, and I look at things through scriptural eyes, or at least I try to. In the Hebrew, there are the good aliens (the word is gar). These are the people who want to join with you, take on your ways, and be a part of your nation. These are the good aliens that want to become citizens of your nation, learning the language, etc. and help bring it to betterment. Many of these are the ones who joined ancient Israel when they left Egypt and crossed the Suph (Red) Sea.

Then there are the “zar” aliens, the meaning is not good. These are the ones who don’t give a flip if they join your country, they just seek to rob it, to live their own way and not become unified with your country to where they will profit your nation or add to it in any way. Gar = good. Zar = bad.

Yep, and that’s how I look at it. The zar aliens would be the illegals that do not care about your country.

what are you talking about? how was anything that Ray said an attack on you? How did anybody “attempt to discredit” you. Ray spoke from his own life experience and gave his opinion formed from those experiences. He was quite cordial. you seem to think disagreement is an attack. that’s odd.

Why are you so eager to contact somebody personally and get or give personal information? It doesn’t make sense. I have known many feds and spec ops guys and they don’t put themselves out there. actually some are prohibited. security issues, you know. not wise, in my OPINION.

I was responding to D. W. Wilson.
I was defending Ray, he most certainly did not attack anyone, but Mr. Wilson seems to think he did. Wilson said this in response to Ray’s comment:

“so now two people have attempted to discredit me on this website off of ignorance, i will not be a part of a site that sees life through blinders.. Ray you have something to say, you get my email from Miri and say something. Same for the other person that had no idea of the topic i was discussing. those two have a lot to learn.”

The trademark of a person being a tool for those attempting to control the masses for Communism is one of these responses to someone who states a different opinion.
A. “You are filled with hate”
B. “You don’t like me.”
C. “You are picking on me..”
D. “You say you are a Christian but don’t act like it” (This one is being used overtime right now on facebook. The minute someone defends something from a Conservative point of view, the Proggers jump in, even though Faith has not been brought into it, and start in with tearing down the Conservatives argument by tearing down Christianity.)
E. “You are not tolerant”
F. “You are hypocritical.”

The reason they respond with these answers is they are trained any thought against theirs and the moral government comes from the enemy. Enemies cannot be trusted, therefor, must not be listened to. Only attacked through public identification that the opposing view is the Enemy. The whole point of the exercise is to solidify the Progger’s loyalty to the “cause”, which most times the mouthpiece doesn’t even know what the “cause” is.

This behavior by the Programmed Progressives, or Proggers, identifies them to Patriots, actually. It tells us to no matter what we say or do, through their eyes we are the enemy that needs to be dealt with. It is important they learn how to identify the enemy to develop blind loyalty and a willingness to report who the enemy is. Wish I was making this stuff up and formulating a false conspiracy theory but it is right out the Historical and Modern Communist writings..

Oh, and there is nothing wrong about conspiracy theories. They are nothing more than conspiracy investigations and summations. Now, what does the law say about conspiracies against the government? Conspiracies are legitimate. Looking for them them and being able to spot one in that is against the country is sort of a civic duty, not?
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It’s a prime directive of communism to tear down religion. Today I was re-reading Barry’s “religion” speech from 2006 today and basically all he said, when you boil it down, is that progressives need to co-opt religious language in order to reach the hearts and minds of religious people to FOOL them into thinking progressive policies are in tune with their religious beliefs. This is what they tried in 2008. Even today, I heard Barry bloviating AS IF he’s a devout Christian, taking a page from Evangelicals, and trying to FOOL THEM, ONCE AGAIN, THAT HE’S ONE OF THEM. He’s NOT. He’s as far from being one of ANY OF US as we are from being Papua New Guineans.

Hayden, if only my tired old brain could remember things, but did somebody not link us, not long ago, to a proposal by some government entity, which involved recruiting people to act like “special ops” within the blogosphere, using created identities? Following along the lines of our potus with the created identity?

Yes, and most of us here who are likely twice your age are probably ready to be taught by you instead of vice versa. Why don’t you print out some of your comments here, put them away for 30 years, then bring them out again. See what kind of perspective you have then.

Westboro Baptist is not a correlation to Islam extremism. Why? Because the Bible is based on a love for another, to the point of bringing them to Christ, reunited with God. Islam, on the other hand is based on killing or destroying anyone who rejects conversion. A few, like Westboro, distort the precepts of the Bible; they change it. Whereas Islam IS what it IS and the cultural followers that are deemed “not the terrorists” are by silence and submission confessing to the world they believe the Koran, which is very specific. The Koran IS NOT a religious holy book but a political manifesto. Westboro IS not preaching/teaching to the FUNDAMENTALS of The New Testament. They are not Fundamental Christians. Islam extremists are not, actually extremist. They are not living the Koran to the extreme but to the Word of the Koran; to the fundamentals. They are the believers. THERE IS NO COMPARISON AND THE “if you believe this then you have to believe Westboro……” IS REJECTED.

If, DW, you are as experienced as you say, and as informed, you surely would know this. There are some flaws in this link, (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm) but it will give an understanding as to why I separate and find no comparison between Islam and Christianity.. If you choose to decide it is hate speech and as such cannot read, than there is no premise to debate.. There comes a point where to continue to dialogue, one must give up the programmed talking points and HEAR, not necessarily be convinced to believe/think, but HEAR and acknowledge what the other is presenting.

And last but not least, Your thoughts and prejudices are not aligned with Mr-Adhere-To-The-Constitution-Ron-Paul.. Perplexing you are for him when your thoughts and verbiage mirror Communist talking points and fallacies.

Admins, if I have overstepped the bounds of civility established on this blog, I will not be offended if deemed I have been rude to your guest and this comment deleted. I respect your judgement. .

Yepmyou are right in your comments. Willy needs to listen to Avi Lipkin, doesn’t he? Remember him. You guys have posted some of his speeches and interviews. His theme on Love and how loving others is mentioned so much in the bible ,but not in the Koran. Remember? His explanations are so clear on the matter.

ya’ll posted a couple of his youtube videos awhile back. His wife works with mideast intelligence or Israel intel…can’t remember. He did a wonderful speech on the essence of Christian theosophy and Koran’s Islamic teacings. I’ll look for it. The topic in essence is really about Love.

Avi was raised in New York and moved to Israel at 19. I think someone here posted one of his videos about how many thousands of Moslem refugees will end up in this country when all these mid east countrie’s revolutions are taken over by the radical Moslems and Obama’s part in the whole deal. Remember? He is mentioned alot by other sites .

Here are two stories that talk about documents in the UK archives that show concern that Obama Sr. had been associated with anti-white terrorists and he was now studying in the US. The stories also report that he was an avowed SOCIALIST. I think we discussed these before, last month, but worth repeating here, since the topic is communism:http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s-father-suspected-of-being-anti-white-terrorist-by-british-u-s-intel
“Newly released, declassified files from the United Kingdom reveal U.S.officials’ concerns that Kenyans studying in America, including President Obama’s father, may have had ties to Kenyan terrorist groups that were supported by communist nations in the 1950s and early 1960s. …”

“The name of Barack Obama, the father of the American president, is on a list of names revealed in a hitherto secret British colonial file of Kenyans studying in the US.

The file notes that the US state department had told British officials in 1959 that they were concerned Kenyan students in America had a reputation for “falling into the wrong hands”.

US officials complained that Kenyan students were becoming “anti-American and anti-white” just at the time Barack Obama Senior was given a grant to study in America.

British colonial administrators in Nairobi expressed concern about the calibre of Kenyans receiving scholarships to go to US universities, claiming they were “academically inferior” to their contemporaries who stayed in Africa to study. They criticised a US-based body, the African American Students Foundation, which gave Obama Senior grants to study business administration at the University of Hawaii, Honululu. Supporters of the project included the singer Harry Belafonte, the actor Sidney Poitier, and the baseball player Jackie Robinson.

The president’s father is listed as “OBAMA, Barrack H” in the file of Kenyan students in the US drawn up by British colonial officials.”

“Hope” we see more of the commie vs commie! What a great “change.” We will all watch in glee as they eat their own. Is the Left getting concerned that they have revealed themselves and may soon have to go back to the sewers they crawled out of? Good for you Noam – we’d go for a murder rap applied to the Kenyan. [Don’t you think calling him Kenyan will get under his thin skin as well as under the bots? I do.]

Leftist Icon Noam Chomsky Accuses Obama of “Murder,” Defends Convicted Al-Qaeda Terrorist Who Killed U.S. Troops As “Defending His Village.” [He was doing so well on the first accusation before he detoured!]

What will the Left do to one of their own, the infamous Noam, who is the most celebrated and cited Leftist of all time! Add him to the list of those opposing Obama policies along with that plagiarizing attorney at Harvard Law School, Alan Dershowitz. My goodness, we must add the tread marked Jeremiah Wright, another Marxist, to this list. Next!

This is what Code Pink was saying in Chicago yesterday when a huge group of protestors (all 75 of them, some from Code Pink) protested his drone attacks on Afghans (but not potential use on US citizens HERE).

Been thinking about this one: Is this all theater to distance Barry from the Occupiers and the riots and protests coming up, ORCHESTRATED BY HIM AND HIS PEEPS? But when they crack down in a Sista Souljah moment, will they position themselves on the same side as most Americans will be–angry about these violence-prone, hateful, anarchist idiots? Then the media will applaud him for being tough and nobody will bother to report HIS ROLE IN ORCHESTRATING THE BEHAVIOR BY THE OCCUPIERS?

I TRUST nothing. It’s black ops on black ops. Chomsky definitely wants Obama reelected. There’s no doubt in my mind because he wants communism in the USA, just as Barry does. This is rope a dope.

Huerta is probably best known for co-founding (along with Cesar Chavez, another PMoF winner) United Farm Workers, an organization meant to help protect and establish rights for agricultural laborers, but which actually has engaged in strong-arm tactics and violence against both businesses and farm workers. For an interesting read, skip the article at this link and proceed directly to the comments. There is a telling anecdote from a farmer who says he moved to the U.S. to escape Communism, only to find their tactics alive and well, perpetrated by none other than the UFW under the guise of helping the very people they were threatening.

Huerta is an Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America.She has praised socialist dictator Hugo Chavez, while addressing high school students, no less. She is quoted as saying “Republicans hate Latinos.” She believes “we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us.”

Dolores Huerta is not shy about her socialist beliefs. She’s heaped public praise on the work Hugo Chavez is doing by socializing Venezuela and wonders why America isn’t following the same path (wait…we aren’t?) Huerta has said that “Republicans hate Latinos” and has no problem with illegal immigration. So, of course, she’s a great pick for the Presidential Medal of Freedom …if your President happens to be a socialist.That’s right, Dolores Huerta can now add one more bullet to her resume. Thanks to President Obama she has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

When given the facts, Glenn would argue that the mainstream media should be lambasted for calling the President anything but a socialist, and for completely ignoring and/or avoiding his radical ties. His latest slogan, “Forward,” has been used throughout history in socialist and communist regimes, he’s appointed multiple known socialists and communists along with those that praise them to his cabinet – Carole Browner, Van Jones, and Anita Dunn just to name a few – and now, he’s honored an honoree chair of the Democratic Socialists of America with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

An excellent article by a new writer for PJ Media. He grew up under communism in Romania and escaped to the US when Carter was in power. He blames Carter for allowing Marxism to get a foothold in government. Now he is writing a warning about stealth Marxism in the US.

The Socialist Mask of Marxism
June 4th, 2012 – 12:00 am

History usually repeats itself, and if you have lived two lives, as I have done, you have a good chance of seeing that re-enactment with your own eyes. In 1978, I paid with two death sentences from my native Romania for helping her people rid themselves of their Marxist dictatorship, carefully disguised as socialism. Thirty years later I witnessed how the same Marxism, camouflaged as socialism, began infecting the shores of my adoptive country, the United States, which had just won a 44-year Cold War against Marxism and against its earthly incarnation, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

In a 2008 column titled “Big Political Shifts Are Underway,” Joelle Fishman, chairman of the Action Commission of the Communist Party USA, strongly endorsed the Democratic Party’s candidate for the White House, appealing to all working people in the United States to back Senator Barack Obama, in order to provide “a landslide defeat of the Republican ultra-right.”

That new alliance between the Democratic Party and the Communist Party was a first in the history of the United States, the world’s headquarters of democracy and free enterprise. In November 2008, over 65 million Americans who were unable to identify the stealth virus of Marxism that was infecting the Democratic Party voted to give this party the White House and both chambers of Congress.
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Today it is considered bad manners even to mention the word Marxism, a doctrine that killed some 94 million people and transformed a third of the world into feudal societies in the middle of the 20th century. Nevertheless, there is an old saying: If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Let’s try to stand the heat for a few minutes, and poke our noses into Karl Marx’s kitchen.

In his Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx urged his followers to replace capitalism with communism via a “socialist redistribution of wealth,” which “should displace capitalism and precede communism.” Marx advocated ten “despotic inroads on the rights of property,” and he called them the ten planks of communism. The most important are:

A progressive or graduated income tax;
Abolition of rights of inheritance;
Centralization of credit in the hands of the state;
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state;
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.[iii]

If you know the Manifesto, you will think Marx himself wrote the Democratic Party’s 2012 electoral campaign, which contains all of the above planks of Marxism. If you don’t know the Manifesto, click here and you’ll get it from the horse’s mouth.

How true! I thought the same thing while reading the five planks cited: It sounds like EXACTLY what Barry is trying to impose. Tax the wealthy; ramp up the estate tax; take over banks; take over factories and other industries (via “stimulus”); take over the Internet, newspapers, TV (FCC regulations), force people to use public transportation by making gas “skyrocket”.

Media Research Center’s year long investigative research article on Soros. It should be titled “Soros: Scourge of the US.”

Special Report — George Soros: Godfather of the Left
June 4, 2012

Say the name George Soros and liberals see dollar signs – literally. The world’s 22nd richest man, according to Forbes, is now worth $20 billion. But Soros isn’t just noteworthy for the money he has – he’s notable for the money he has given away. Since launching his Open Society Foundations in 1984, Soros has donated more than $8 billion to charities around the world.

But instead of gaining a mighty reputation for his philanthropy, or his investment prowess, Soros is reviled abroad and criticized here in his adopted country. Most everywhere Soros, his foundations or his investing have gone, trouble has followed. He’s helped foment revolutions, undermined national currencies and funded radicals around the world. Soros has been convicted of insider dealing in France and fined $3 million, fined another $2 million in his native Hungary. His “foundations have been accused of shielding spies and breaking currency laws” and his investing strategy has been targeted for harming several national currencies.

Even his support for higher education raises huge red flags. Soros has contributed more than $400 million to colleges and universities, including money to most prominent institutions in the United States. He also helped establish Central European University which, in turn, uses its resources to promote his personal goal of an “open society.”

Here in the United States, Soros money provides the foundation for liberal organizations promoting everything from gay marriage and drug legalization to anti-death penalty strategies. While his charitable giving goes to liberal organizations with close ties to the Democratic Party, his political giving goes almost entirely to Democrats.

That’s not the story the broadcast networks have been telling about Soros for the past five years. There were 29 mentions of Soros during that time but only one gave any hint at trouble, and that was merely to mention he was “still known as the man who broke the Bank of England.” But ABC followed it up with: “That was all legal.” Only a sex scandal with a 28-year-old Brazilian actress gave Soros any negative publicity at all.

Obama Administration admits to ‘hundreds’ of meetings with jihad-linked group
June 10, 2012 Snips

President Barack Obama’s deputies are holding “hundreds” of closed-door meetings with a jihad-linked lobbying group that is widely derided by critics as a U.S. arm of the theocratic Muslim Brotherhood. [CAIR]

The admission of meetings with the Council on American-Islamic Relations came from George Selim, the White House’s new director for community partnerships, which was formed in January to ensure cooperation by law enforcement and social service agencies with Muslim identity groups in the United States. “There is hundreds of examples of departments and agencies that meet with CAIR on a range of issues,” he told The Daily Caller, after being asked if his office refuses to meet with any Muslim groups.

CAIR is “the group with the worst record of deception and the deepest ties to terrorists,” said Steven Emerson, the director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, which tracks the public activities of Islamist lobbying groups.

“The White House is so clueless and/or compromised” when dealing with the brotherhood, said Robert Spencer, the author of several books about Islam and jihad. CAIR, he said, is “the political front of a radically repressive, Jew-hating, woman-hating organization.”

The House of Representatives last month prodded the Department of Justice to end all contacts with CAIR. [PRODDED?, just prodded?! Holder was a keynote speaker at one of CAIR’s conventions.]
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Selim’s outreach office is controversial because critics say its cooperation policy accepts the separatist demand by CAIR and other Muslim advocacy groups that they — not elected politicians — represent the nation’s 2 million-plus Muslim residents and citizens. [Will check, but I think CAIR upped the number of Muslims in the US once again – it seems to be done on a quarterly basis!]
~CAIR is especially controversial because of its many links to the theocratic Muslim Brotherhood, whose political wing is set to dominate Egyptian politics since the 2011 departure of Egyptian strongman Hosni Mubarak.[Thanks to Obama!]