Comment by Qwerg

Seething cinder x 25 ... I am not sure I am happy or sad about this, it's less 'shards' than SM or Valanyr... but the other parts of the q cost too damn much :S!

Comment by Furydeath

MMO's site says we need 1000 so hopefully we get more info soon.

Comment by zanatorix

Translation: GIEF MOAR FREE EPIX

Ofcourse the chain won't be cheap as hell but its not exactly that expensive..there's cash thrown at you wherever you go in cata and just from leveling up you should get well over 5k per character... i mean i went through Deepholm and did all the quests while at 85 and i made around 2k just from that

and if you havent played enough to gather that much cash i can safely say that you don't deserve the staff anyway.

Comment by thehordemage

Do Seething Cinders also drop off bosses like Eternal Embers do once players have reached this part of the quest line?

Comment by Opath

I assume they drop off of the trash. Should work similarly to collecting 1,000 souls in the Shadowmourne quest chain.

Comment by Furydeath

So it is 1000 great.

Comment by KuniZyrekai

1000 means it's trash drop. This means you can go outside of your raid's scheduled times and trash run until your fingers hurt from spamming spells. This is the only advantage.

Comment by Furydeath

Nope wow armory says they are boss drops only.

Comment by Andreasristing

Each boss must drop atleast 10 each.

Comment by Nikkaszal

Cannot be a boss drop, even if the bosses drop "10 at a time" (which makes getting a thousand of them redundant, and could easily be turned into requiring 100 with 1 per boss).

But hypothetically - 7 bosses. Even at 10 splinters each, that's 70 per week. That's FIFTEEN weeks of full clears, and that is just not gonna happen.

These will be trash drops, and common trash drops too I'll wager.

Comment by Iriestx

Actually, assuming they wanted the same rate of gain as previous 'get 25 legendary fragments,' bosses would have to drop 40 a pop.

Comment by thehordemage

Comment by Furydeath

Does seem silly that you cant just search it on the armory i had to a biut of clicking to get it up.

Comment by Meggie

Just remember how many runs it took to get exalted with Molten Core.

Comment by Linious

well, the armory shows seething cinders that stack to 250, where as wowhead says they stack to the 1k that you need for the quest. so maybe that armory one is an older one? or a ptr one? wouldn't make sence to stack it to 250 and require 1k, that's 4 stacks worth. Essences for enchanting have shown that bliz isn't careing much about player inventory space (given they only stack to 10 and you need a billion), but it seems unlikely that they'd make a legendary component not stack to its required quantity.

Edit: Examples being shadowmourn's shards stacked to the 60 (and later 50) required to make it, the elementium bars for thunderfury, stacking to 20, and requireing 10, and the 30 frgments of Val'anyr also stacked as 1 stack.

Comment by Cleancut12

They seem to drop off fireland bosses only. They probably will be dropping in various amounts or a fixed amount like 10 or 20. Expect to kill a decent number of bosses before reaching 1000 but the numbers may vary 10 vs. 25man raid as the comments suggest HERE.

Comment by bluewyvern

Not going to happen? Take a look at Shadowmourne's Shadowfrost Shards:

25% shard drop rate on 25 normal with 12 bosses, so an average of 3 shards per week. 50 Shards needed in total, so that's an average of nearly 17 full clears to get one legendary. And that was 25 man. On 10 man, it will be even slower as a punishment for having less people to compete with.

Comment by timeishell

Powerful elements exist that can extend the ritual's effects. Some of these can be found in the Plane of Fire, with which you've become familiar.

Right in the quest text, its off trash...

Comment by Iriestx

Confirmed trash drops.

Comment by Hanomi

Shannox 25 heroic - dropped 60 cinder

Comment by Krisaff

How did you do shannox 25h this week and be capable of collecting seething cinders? This is the first week that it is possible to finish Delegation. A shannox kill is required to finish the Delegation part of the quest chain(Along with alysrazor, beth, and rhyolith, for that matter.) The only way I can see this being an accurate comment is if the poster either faction changed(Messes with the quest chain, by the way) and somehow found a guild willing to do 25m heroic with him on a Wednesday, or he got his entire 25m raid team to faction change to reset the lockout.

Comment by Hanomi

charging item and raid wipe, nothing kills for delagation quest ^^

Comment by Furydeath

Anyone have some numbers for 10 man yet?

Comment by reddragon6

10N Rag dropped 23 seething embers.

Comment by clavarnway

I would be extremely interested in knowing what happens when more than one person in the raid are both on the questline. Can only one person get the Cinders at a time? Is that how it worked for Shadowmourne?

Comment by aristrocrack

got 273 from 1st 5 bosses last night (shannox and spider hc) .. even normal bosses seem to drop more or less 50ish cinders per boss.. if i base the math on normal kills, approximately 50 per boss means 20 boss kills.. which is just under 3 weeks provided u clear 7/7 in 25man.

ps. even though the items are on ml they cant be given to anyone not on the q and can only be given to one person. the 2nd person getting legendary in my guild has 14 embers so im guessing/hoping by the time i get to 1000, he will just start delegation or this quest.

Comment by Furydeath

Really so even tho they said ONLY the one part would be different in 10 man they make everything i guess, they really do faver 25 more it seems.

Comment by Greyowl

Harder to do 25 so its only logical that the rewards are better, should be like that for everything else.

Comment by Seiru

Except 25m isn't necessarily harder than 10m, especially on heroic.

Comment by Dzor

10 man Cinders gathering started here. 156/1000 from 7 bosses after first week.

So seems like it will take a minium of 6 weeks to gather 1000 in 10 man raiding. ( If everything done as heroic and avg drop is 24 per boss.) If not, 7-8 weeks.

EDIT: After 6 full clears I'm standing with 979/1000 cinders, so only 21 is needed from first boss from next week. 43 boss kills = final Avg 23,25.

Comment by Mitbrandir

10 man its in theory harder then 25 due the lack of possiblitys. coördination is something you can train but you cant get a certain debuff or buff without the possbility. Hence i think its very stupid that 10 man only drops 1 eternal ember ( i've got the 25 embers today on 10 man ). I hope its better with these things since not every guild ( pug like me ) is able to fix 25 man and they shouldn't suffer time because of that.

Comment by Runawaynow

I'll keep track of the cinders I see in our 10 man raid here in case Wowhead continues to not differentiate between difficulties and raid sizes :) Thus this post may be updated between Tuesday and Thursday with new numbers each week. Yay stats.

Week 3 our "staff-getter" was unable to show up one day, hence dashes...Week 5 our "staff-getter" had some drama and decided not to show up. You guessed it....dashes...Week 7 the numbers became not accurate to the progress values, which are accurate. How odd... It's possible that "staff-getter 1" went into the alt raid on Week 5 whereupon he net 36 cinders (18 + 18) which evens out the values.Week 8 "Staff-getter 1" was unable to siphon Essences from Alysrazor and Majordomo. Very interesting...Week 9 Achievements week, last week of maintaining updates to cinder drop counts. I believe we have successfully established the correct values for the ranges :)

It is becoming apparent from these stats as well as scattered reports of drop counts and difficulties on this page and others, as well as Wowhead data (which does not denote any raid sizes or difficulties) that the following ranges are represented:

10 Man

25 Man

Normal

18-23

48-55

Heroic

23-26

55-66

Comment by Krisaff

10man raid.

Shannox Normal: 23

Rhyolith Normal: 22

Alysrazor Normal: 18

Beth'Tilac Normal: 20

Baleroc Normal: 19

Majordomo Normal: 21

Comment by squee666

On the Contrary Parc 10man Does not take at least 2.5times more due to the sheer drop rates of Eternal Embers in the first part of the quest.

Seeing how 10man has a 0-1 drop rate and people doing 25man reported 1-3 drops then theoretically that 0 drop chance throws that 2.5x out of the window.

Seeing how on lowest drops per week 10man gets no Embers with 25man getting 7 would most likely make it 4-5x harder for 10mans than 25man.

Then as Mit said 25man has waaay more class combinations than 10man.

Comment by Tephulio

Seeing how 10man has a 0-1 drop rate and people doing 25man reported 1-3 drops then theoretically that 0 drop chance throws that 2.5x out of the window.

Seeing how on lowest drops per week 10man gets no Embers with 25man getting 7 would most likely make it 4-5x harder for 10mans than 25man.

You are assuming that a 0 and a 1 from 10 man have the same chance to drop, I have found that 1 ember is far more common than 0, closer to 80%, making the average drop per boss 0.8 embers. Assuming that there is an equal chance for 1, 2, or 3 to drop in 25 man, that average is 2.

0.8 x 2.5 = 2

If my numbers are correct, the droprate per person is the same in 10 and 25.

Comment by Ruler3000

So 25 and 50 werent enough anymore huh Blizz? >_> We just HAD to add a four digit quest collection item right? /glare.Thank god they drop double digits. Otherwise, we'd have an issue.^_^ I still love you though Blizzard....for now...

Comment by berserkerben

Help to downrate all these incorrect suppositions from before the information was known. it is not a trash drop.

Comment by BrigKline

On the subject of 25s getting 'more' staves, having one dps with the Legendary in a ten man team is a far larger increase to the total raid output versus a caster on a 25 man. This is just the nature of health scaling in 10 vs 25 man bosses.

Also, I would say that Baleroc and Majordomo dropping a larger amount of Cinders is more that they are considered to be above the first 4 bosses, as evidenced by the increased reputation gains from these two bosses (and in Staghelm's case, a tier token).

Comment by modernmage

Anyone notice the occasional "The essence of Tarecgosa is within you." (or something similar) message? Kinda cool, kinda creepy. I tried to look for a buff whenever I saw the message but didn't see anything. Just random I guess.

Comment by Furydeath

Time Grows Short, plz go farm firelands bosses for the next 3-4 months. That's what it should have said.

Comment by Allinone

After seeing Runwaynow's post above, I decided to keep track of all the drops that I received during my stage 2 quest.Now that I've finished, here is the table with all the information.

Comment by Vrominelli

I still don't think that it's possible for things, including time, to grow short...I mean, growing longer or even taller maybe...

Comment by Necropenguin

A word of warning about race and/or faction changing with this quest active. When you pay Blizzard for that service you also get a complimentary quest log wipe as part of the process.

If you go through with it you will have this quest removed from your log. Every Seething Cinder you had collected thus far will still be in your possession, but you must go and re-accept the quest from Kalecgos. Failure to re-accept the quest means when you're in for a boss you won't have any cinders drop. Sour! So heads up, I'd recommend against big changes like this on the collect parts of this quest.

Comment by Basilicus

Do you have to have the Staff of Nordrassil equipped to collect the embers? Or is having it in your bags sufficient? I have a slightly better staff from Ragnaros that I would prefer to use.

Comment by mephron

Does this work if you go through with LFR, or does it fail to allow the harvesting of the cinders?

Comment by Sharwin22

If you're like me and looking for a dragon, you wont find Kalecgos. He is in his human form when you cash this quest in. He is standing on a rock outcrop and can be easy to miss. The ? on your map is the right place.

Also, make sure that you have your Branch of Nordrassil in your bags to turn in.

Comment by pequals

After doing 25 Heroic, I couldn't believe how many I looted. This post being patch 6.0.2, I'm not sure if they increased the drop of them, but something happened. These numbers are from a single lockout in one week.

Beth'tilac: 55

Rhyolith: 64

Alysrazor: 60

Shannox: 55

Baleroc: 61

Staghelm: 63

Rag: 65

Comment by pipilas

At 10 man normal and as i was continuing after DelegationDelegation quest i had still to kill Beth'tilac who dropped 21 Seething Cinder with Branch of Nordrassil equipped and Baleroc who dropped 20 without the staff equipped.It seems it doesn't make any difference for the quest items to drop.Whether you have it equipped or not the cinders are dropping and as i can confirm they drop 4x approx after patch 6.0.From then and on i kept the staff in my bag and Majordomo Staghelm dropped 22 and Ragnaros dropped 18

Comment by Jazzycakes2

If you faction Kalecgos goes into some weird phase thing.

I found him at coords 30.98,23.92 and he stayed put while i grabbed quest and typed this up :)

Comment by szerkli

428 Cinders from the 1st run .... seems promising May, 15th 2015

Comment by PaperJax

I thought I'd throw in my two cents for anyone wanting to obtain this staff after patch 6.2.After reviewing all the comments here and setting myself up to run Firelands for a good few weeks in order to obtain all the cinders I needed, I went in expecting to see 30ish embers per boss on Heroic 25m.After my first run through I managed to get Beth, Rhyolith and Aly on 25H and the rest on Normal 25. I just couldn't get Shannox down alone ><I ended my first run with 401 cinders. After my second week of the same boss kills I ended with 787. I'm about to collect my last few now and continue on with my quest. I should have kept track of how many I got from each boss but alas, I did not.

Either way, I thought it might be reassuring for people to know that this is obtainable in as little as 3 weeks instead of about 10 like it used to be :)

Good luck everyone!

Comment by Drakkul

25 man heroic first week managed to get 488 at 100 can easily solo it make some good money to./

Comment by Icemix

1st run, 25hc, 431 cinders

Comment by Sincere

415 first week on 25h. looks like drop rate is unchanged since previous posts.

In week 3 I didn't record the numbers, but I finished the quest after 3 bosses. I recommend not continuing in the raid, as the next quest requires you to loot items from the bosses aswell, so it is better to turn this quest in, get the next one, then continue the raid.

Comment by dillybar

Had something strange happen today.

I was at 968/1000 on my cinders. I killed the first two bosses, it showed more than 50 cinders each in loot, but nothing showed up in my bags.

I had 4 stacks of 200 and 1 stack of 168. I separated out the stack of 168 into 100 and 68 (2 stacks) and then on the next boss I was able to loot the cinders. Truly strange but it worked.

Comment by SgtGrumbles

Do you get more cinders when you switch to Mythic? As I know you get more from Heroic 25 then you do from 10 or normal.

Comment by Tiden

Standing outside, where the entrance is supposed to be. Nothing here. Not even the summoning stone.Is it closed off...?

Time Grows Short

Description

Tarecgosa is bound to you, <name>, but only temporarily. An aspect's power is required to permanently seal her essence.

Malygos's successor will not be chosen until Azeroth's moons next eclipse, and the bond you share will not last until then.

Fortunately, there is a way to buy us the time we need. Powerful elements exist that can extend the ritual's effects. Some of these can be found in the Plane of Fire, with which you've become familiar.