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That is a good post, Iggy. For me, any revelatory value in a post comes from how much passion I feel behind it...good or bad in tone. That's probably the main thing I love so very much about JK's writings (to use as an example). His last blog wasn't perky by any stretch, but I found it just as inspiring and, well...revelatory as any other. Same goes for Iggy's post, actually. Though at an opposite pole from Eldon's, I found great value in it.

If you read what is here and do not skim over it, you will see the message that is contained within the writing.

Hello Iggy…

It is GOOD to hear from you as well as your voiced opinion on this topic. Based on your response, this goes right back to the reason for someone being in your life. I view this as there can be something learned from this situation. In fact, this is a good example of why many advisory boards exist in the world today. There purpose is to give information or take notice to and advise on the situation that is being discussed. By doing so, this will allow the situation to derive to a better result which goes right back to making choices in this life.

Now, I will disagree with you on your statement concerning the respect for any viewpoint that doesn’t conform to their views. With me as the author of these writings, I have an unconditional “open door” policy with myself to remain open and optimistic on any other views on the topic(s) being discussed. In fact, one of my main objectives is to work along with others here and with what they value. It goes right back to the purpose of having an advisory board. In fact, I even typed the above before looking at your response in your thread.

You see Iggy, I am sincere and honest. I am a real person. I feel good about my weaknesses and my strengths. I accept myself for who I am. I am working toward being even better. When a certain weakness is pointed out, I am all for absorbing any pertinent information that could assist me to make me even stronger as a person. I am not like others in this life who will get on the defense because of their hidden fears when some pertinent information is presented to me. If it can, may or will help me along the way as I walk on my journey in this life, then by all means it is totally accepted. If it is negative, I turn my head the other way because it will not help me but only hinder me along the way.

Yes, your response called for this response as I am on a realistic plane in this life. Now as far as the hijacking is concerned, you know as well as I know that it is relatively easy for a response to alter the nature of the topic being discussed as it will take it in a different direction. It is for the author to keep the topic on its course as it is being discussed. What is the sense of discussing something else that does not relate to the topic? In some cases, as Thunter34 had mentioned, another discussion may interact or tie into what is being discussed. In this case, I see no problem with that.

Now when it comes to Depression, which is a totally different ballgame in this life. You are dealing with a lot of “unknowns” and “hidden fears” with this particular topic. No one said that you CAN”T feel that way or MUST change your viewpoint or perspective when dealing with these emotions. In fact, it is normal to experience these emotions when you are faced with a situation in this life. Where it becomes unhealthy is when you “dwell” on the situation rather than “dealing” with the situation. With these (2) two characteristics, the “choice” or wanting to “dwell” or “deal” with the situation is up to the individual.

The only setback with “dwelling” is that it leads to further fears and inner anxieties which leads to obsessive thinking when a person is in a Depressive state-of-mind. So what I am saying here is that if I were to see you struggling with trying to reach an objective or goal and I knew that I could possibly be able to share something with you that can, may, or will help you to reach your objective or goal and not say anything to you, that would be totally selfish of me wouldn’t it? Fortunately, I do not carry such a mindset as this.

Now, as far as minimizing is concerned. This is how you perceive a word of encouragement being share with the others? True enough there are a number of variables that are concerned when there is a health issue that is being discussed. When a person’s health is threatened, yes, there is an automatic inner anxiety which is triggered because of this. However, it does not have to be a doom and gloom emotional effect with the individual.

When supporting an individual, you will want to do as much as you can to comfort them and to encourage them during their struggle with their situation. By a person making an effort to do so, this carries the person through their struggles and it goes a long way with them. With support, it is an effort that is taken on the supporter’s part in order to HELP keep that individual going or to hold up or serve as a foundation or prop for them when they need it the most in their life.

As with these new age thoughts, these are the same thoughts that brought our very country to where it is in the world today and many of our ancestors who utilized their creative thinking and they had positive thought patterns as well as being spiritually led. Instead of having a closed minded perspective during the beginning of our evolution, it was the majority which had an open minded perspective as they all HELPED and supported one another through the struggles that were made for all of us in this life.

In summary, things did get better, there was better technology, the light bulb was invented, the automobile was invented, the airplanes were invented and so on. What I am saying here is that with these very same positive thoughts and words of inspiration along with support, it has brought this very nation a long way as it is the same foundation of these positive thoughts and support of each other that will carry us into the future.

The decision lies within the individual if they choose to better themselves within. No one can change a person; the person must want to and be willing to change. In this very world that we all live in there are people which are struggling each day, this has not gone unrecognized, in fact, there are a number of different organizations that are supporting and HELPING the very needs of this World in order to gain a better result. Take a trip to Africa and give that little child a piece of bread and watch how that child’s state-of-mind and attitude changes because someone took the time out to HELP them and support them during their struggles. Thank God that the organizations that exist today are not selfish and just thinking about themselves.

The message is clear; there are millions of people who are struggling in this World today. It is up to US to take the initiative to reach out and to HELP them and to SUPPORT them in their struggles in this life. Who is going to take the stand?

Hey ACinKC…

No don’t jump off of the bridge, you might miss something. There are other options! LOL!

Hey Thunter34…

The church steeple is a little high don’t you think? LOL!

Hey Hal…

You are right on target. It is unfolding as we speak.

Hey Alex…

There is a lot of sensitivity involved; this is where our comfort and support can come in handy for a very good, uplifting, and empowering cause.

Hey Dad1216…

Your interaction is greatly appreciated. Perhaps there may be some constructive suggestions that can assist with the efforts of HELPING and supporting each other.

Hey Thunter34…

There is definitely great value out of this. Keep your eyes open and you will see what I am saying further down the road.

I'm with Thunter - I have no clue what this thread is about really. Funny how its fuzzy logic attracts so many commenters though. "The Revelations of many...the prelude" = the prelude to what? A prelude is a revelation of what is to come. So we're having a discussion about revealing revelations about what is to be revealed? In the words of charlie Brown, "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGH!"

I think what Iggy is trying to say is you cannot keep assigning “scores” as to how people feel when they express themselves and you cannot always respond by steering what you perceive as negative thoughts and experiences into what you perceive as positive ones. Sometimes, the best way to show genuine support is to simply listen and validate how the person is feeling. And sometimes, you may think you are supporting someone by telling them how they should feel when in fact it causes the opposite effect.

You cannot really claim you have an “open door policy” to dissenting opinions and then in your next paragraph state that “it becomes unhealthy…when you ‘dwell’ on the situation rather than ‘dealing’ with the situation” because it already shows how fixed and inflexible your frame of mind is toward what Iggy just tried to express. You already assume what a person “needs to do” rather than finding it out first. Maybe someone who is saying they are having a very bad day just needs to get some reassurance from others that they can vent and that they are not alone without being told to “do something about it” and without being instructed how they should feel?

Not at all. It is all a direct effort to support them with their situation. It is merely a suggestion to help them along the way. The response was written with a general context in mind. Its a reassured approach that it can be the opposite of negative thinking.

Well we know where we're going,But we dont know where we've been.And we know what we're knowing,But we can't say what we've seen.And we're not little children.And we know what we want.And the future is certain.Give us time to work it out.

Eldon I have to agree this thread has me a little lost...but I'm sure it's as well-intentioned always and other will find the deeper meaning.

What I think gets lost, and am understanding from parts of this thread, is that one person's advice will not work for everyone and no one should think otherwise. Having a bad day vs. struggling with deep sadness and/or depression don't get fixed with the same set of rules in any way shape or form.

When I was in the dark throes of depression, if someone told me things would get better and to breathe and think happy thoughts and all that jazz I'd surely go tell them to go fuck themselves (yeah probably those exact words).

In hindsight it wasn't what I needed or wanted to hear. It wouldn't have done jack for me cause my state of mind was dark and it wasn't something I could will - it was beyond my control.

One thing depression taught me is how easy it is to see how others can't relate, and you want to just ring people by the neck and say "I feel worthless and nothing matters and don't minimize my feelings into some convenient sentence because you have NO clue the pain I am in."

Lost lots of friends who I considered family too. I was amazed at how the people I thought who would be the most compassionate and understanding turned out to be the first to run. Not all ran on their own. I sabotaged a lot of friendships too. In my heart I wanted them to stay, but I couldn't be that same friend to them in my mental state so I made them the bad guy and pushed them away and blamed them. It seemed easier.

In terms of the threads, my view is that no one mindset rules the roost -- you participate where you feel most comfortable and you gravitate to those threads that you connect to. Not all people want to be reminded of dark days, and not all people want to be awash in superfluous happy thoughts. Some want to hear struggles to relate, others can't and don't. Some are in the middle.

Everyone has needs and it is what it is. May not seem fair. May not seem right. But it's human nature.

This place is a big place and there's a place for everyone, IMHO.

Mikey

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"Get your medical advice from Doctors or medical professionals who you trust and know your history."

"Beware of the fortune teller doom and gloomers who seek to bring you down and are only looking for company, purpose and validation - not your best physical/mental interests."

"You know you all are saying that this is incurable. When the real thing you should be saying is it's not curable at the present time' because as we know, the great strides we've made in medicine." - Elizabeth Edwards

There is a reason for someone whom enters into our lives. This reason can be either to “teach” you or to “assist” you as you continue to walk along your journey in this life. Through your experiences as well as others experiences, we can learn from each other in more ways than one. By doing so, this can, may, or will have a positive impact on your life.

In this life, there is a reason for ALL people, places, and things in our lives. In fact, there is a reason that the AM site was created (High 5’s to Peter!!!). If a list of reasons were to be written out, it would go on for pages and pages. However, there is a reason and it is good to know that reason so that we can increase our effort to support each other even more.

Let us keep this in mind… With support, it is an effort that is taken on the supporter’s part in order to HELP keep that individual going or to hold up or serve as a foundation or prop for them when they need it the most in their life.

I took some time out researching these topics that have been posted by our members on the forums. Listed below there are some posts that I have provided a link to for your reference. There IS a reason that these topics were created by other members of the forum.

With all due respect, we're going to ask that you keep your frequent "revelations" in one thread. I've merged this morning's (December 20) message -- "Revelations of Many --- There IS A Reason" -- with this thread.

Would you mind posting these daily affirmations in this thread in the future?

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

This is the first time I've laughed out loud today. Thank you, all of you!! The Waco fire pic--the serial admissions of confusion--Skeebo stole my seal clubbing notion before I could post. There are times when this forum is akin to Saturday Night Live (today being one of those times) and I adore it for that.

I ALMOST stuck this in with the Waco pic, thought it may pounce a little too hard on Eldon's Cult Of Personality thing though!!

...... but since it has been requested!!

« Last Edit: December 20, 2006, 04:42:23 PM by ACinKC »

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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

I'm with Thunter - I have no clue what this thread is about really. Funny how its fuzzy logic attracts so many commenters though. "The Revelations of many...the prelude" = the prelude to what? A prelude is a revelation of what is to come. So we're having a discussion about revealing revelations about what is to be revealed? In the words of charlie Brown, "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGH!"

Actually, I think I may have just had a (oh, God- I'm gonna have to say it...) revelation about this whole thing- thread 1 and the intended thread 2.

But you know what? You'll just have to wait til later for me to tell you what I think it is.

In fact, I may just have to start a separate thread...Dunno. That will also come to be revealed.

And, Eldon: If I get even close, I insist on a new hand gesture just for me. No handshakes, no High-Fives...

(And Philly267, ACinKC and Dachshund: You can just go ahead and put your hands down right now! No, that is not the new hand gesture I was thinking of!)

If I am close when I, um...reveal my interpretation of all this, I want to claim this...

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

It is GOOD to hear from YOU today. I have no problem at all with posting within this thread. I will include future content inside of this thread.It does make sense to keep it all together. Very GOOD point indeed.

Thanks Tim!

To My Fellow Members...

Just as there is a reason for the creation of the other threads, there is a reason for the creation of this thread just as well. As you follow the thread you will gain a clearer picture.

... With no malice towards none, let’s review together the meaning of a Revelation.

Eldon, I'm sorry for being such a pedant but "no malice towards none" is a double negative, which in English makes your statement the equivalent of "with malice towards some or all." It was probably a typo since I often make similar mistakes while trying to compose anything longer than 3 lines.

Boo

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String up every aristocrat!Out with the priests and let them live on their fat!

I want to be fucking enlightened! Somebody fucking enlighten me NOW damnit!!!

I feel like I am back in college waking and baking and desperately searching for Benny Hinn on TV.... that was some serious soul saving!!!

Although this looks EERILY similar to Jonestown in the above post.....

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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

I want to be fucking enlightened! Somebody fucking enlighten me NOW damnit!!!

Hey ACinKC…

It’s GOOD to see that you need something GOOD first thing in the morning. This is GOOD enough to have a reason to be GOOD. All reasons have a GOOD side and a not so GOOD side. For all reasons I will try to be GOOD and give a reason to your need to have that GOOD sensation. For this reason I researched the reason of your need and a GOOD reason appeared. This may not be as GOOD as the reason you need but my reason is to provide you with a GOOD reason

• I thought a thought that I thought I had thought but the thought that I had thought wasn’t the thought that I had thought I had thought so maybe if I had thought the thought that I thought I thought I wouldn't have thought so much

• If you're happy and you know it, get out of my house!

• Well technically it’s not a knife...it’s a sharpened piece of metal...

I thought a thought that I thought I had thought but the thought that I had thought wasn’t the thought that I had thought I had thought so maybe if I had thought the thought that I thought I thought I wouldn't have thought so much

That is partly why I still haven't posted my thread revelation! It came, but has since halfway vanished...like the details of a dream upon waking.

A big, fat revelatory PHOOEY to that, dammit !

I swear I will get it back, though. And you smart-asses' heads are gonna implode when I do! Then it's just gonna be me and Eldon left here in-the-know and laughing! HA!

I thought a thought that I thought I had thought but the thought that I had thought wasn’t the thought that I had thought I had thought so maybe if I had thought the thought that I thought I thought I wouldn't have thought so much

That is partly why I still haven't posted my thread revelation! It came, but has since halfway vanished...like the details of a dream upon waking.

A big, fat revelatory PHOOEY to that, dammit !

I swear I will get it back, though. And you smart-asses' heads are gonna implode when I do! Then it's just gonna be me and Eldon left here in-the-know and laughing! HA!

Somebody has been doing Whipets!!!!

I have found the meaning of life and forgotten it 45 seconds later!!! THose things are DANGEROUSLY fun.

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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

Crack is what got me here! MY crack, couldnt keep the damn thing CLOSED for a while there! Ahhhhhhhhhh good times......

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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safelyin a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT ARIDE!!!