Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

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Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

Originally Posted by Tsunami

But that's not true. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted the first amendment means that society has to accept your speech for it to be protected. The stigmas have a way of becoming laws.

I know I'm a rare individual but I for one do want to live in a world without shame, where nothing is looked down upon. Why is public nudity bad? Why is masturbation bad? Why is prostitution bad? Why is sodomy bad? Why is pedophilia bad? Why is incest bad? I don't do most of these things myself but I don't think they are harmful to society or to myself if someone else chooses to.

Who didn't see that coming? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

Yes. You're a rare one. Keep hoping for your utopia, along with a world completely without conflict, and one where everyone loves each other and its rainbow and flowers. People are free to be idealists, they're more than welcome too. Here's a crazy thought though...

How about all you idealists stop trying to use the government or your own social stigmas against realists for not pertaining to YOUR world view. Or is that kind of thing only bad when its done for things YOU think are wrong?

Originally Posted by MrWonka

In fact, I would wager to you that within 10 years of today's date that stupid MAGA hat will be registered as a symbol of hate on par with a Swastika.

Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

Originally Posted by Vader

Sexual activity between two consenting adults CANNOT be criminalized. Florida is out of line and needs to be delt with in the most severe and costly method possible.

Not sure if you mean legally CANNOT or shouldn't be.

Sexual activity between two consenting adults was been criminalized in this country all the way up to 2003, when the Supreme Court (rightly) struck down a sodomy law in Texas (Lawrence v. Kansas).

In any event, this brings up a point nobody has addressed. The case above basically found that sex between consenting adults is private and the government has no business being involved (finally!) How is that any different with porn? Nobody sees porn unless they choose to. Porn is just part of someone's sex life. It's private. You can have weird sex with someone, or fantasize about weird sex, or watch a porn movie with weird sex. Why is the porn movie somehow different?

Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

Originally Posted by Tsunami

But that's not true. The way the Supreme Court has interpreted the first amendment means that society has to accept your speech for it to be protected. The stigmas have a way of becoming laws.

I know I'm a rare individual but I for one do want to live in a world without shame, where nothing is looked down upon. Why is public nudity bad? Why is masturbation bad? Why is prostitution bad? Why is sodomy bad? Why is incest bad? I don't do most of these things myself but I don't think they are harmful to society or to myself if someone else chooses to.

Society does not have to accept speech for it to be protected. We don't even have to be tolerate it. We only have to allow them to speak freely, what informal or social consequences come after that are perfectly egal. We as a society do not accept the speech of the KKK, neo nazis, or other fringe nut job groups, but we protect their right to free speech. In fact, we're free to look down on those ignorant backward inbred morons and mock and ostracize them for their views. We just can't use the legal system to surpress their speech.

Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

Originally Posted by Vader

The public isn't required to accept it for it to be legal. If that were the case, the white supremist assholes from North Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, and Northern Idaho would've all been jailed long ago.

Sexual activity between two consenting adults CANNOT be criminalized. Florida is out of line and needs to be delt with in the most severe and costly method possible.

I would argue that the public does accept hate speech. If there is a legal way to declare pornography obscene then the same argument should work against the KKK. There is nothing in the first amendment that specifically excludes sex or excretory functions, though those are what we most often consider obscene. The same interpretation would work against racist speech or anything else society is against. The simple fact is the KKK is more accepted in our society than a scat film.

Originally Posted by Zyphlin

Who didn't see that coming? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?

Yes. You're a rare one. Keep hoping for your utopia, along with a world completely without conflict, and one where everyone loves each other and its rainbow and flowers. People are free to be idealists, they're more than welcome too. Here's a crazy thought though...

How about all you idealists stop trying to use the government or your own social stigmas against realists for not pertaining to YOUR world view. Or is that kind of thing only bad when its done for things YOU think are wrong?

Yeah I edited out the 'pedophile' part because I didn't want this to turn into the same old argument from the other thread. Apparently I didn't do it fast enough.

I'm not trying to push my opinions on anyone. There are things I find disgusting just like everyone else. (In my case it is pregnancy and tongue piercings.) But I would never impose my disgust on anyone else, because I don't want it done to me. It's the golden rule, I treat others how I wish to be treated.

I'm simply arguing for the solution that is fair to the largest number of people. This means a form of government that treats every single person as if they are their own majority. Unless your action interferes with another person's rights the government should stay out of it. I see no other reason to restrict freedom.

Your argument is that it is harmful because we don't like it. That doesn't make any sense.