I thought anything that is a precursor to GH is obliterated in the digestive track....and only IM would work?

Nope. Peptides typically are destroyed in the digestive tract but this isn't a peptide product. A precursor is something that has to convert to a mother compound. Somnidren-GH is not a precursor, it is a very powerful secretagogue that is formulated to force the pituitary to produce larger amounts of GH. It also has a strong somatostatin inhibiting blend in it to ensure that growth hormone isn't broken down rapidly and remains active much longer .

Chronic usage of phenibut can lead to some nasty sides and withdrawal. Tolerance builds ridiculously quickly. This is NOT something you want to take every day, or even more than once a week.

How is L-Tyrosine & PEA supposed to help with sleep? Any form of ALCAR taken before sleep also disrupts the hormonal cascade pretty severely (I can quote a lot of literature on this). It should be taken first thing in the morning.

Sorry for dismantling your product so bluntly. I don't know if it is a bannable offense, but I can spot this stuff pretty easily. I don't know who in their right mind would use this product.

Chronic usage of phenibut can lead to some nasty sides and withdrawal. Tolerance builds ridiculously quickly. This is NOT something you want to take every day, or even more than once a week.

How is L-Tyrosine & PEA supposed to help with sleep? Any form of ALCAR taken before sleep also disrupts the hormonal cascade pretty severely (I can quote a lot of literature on this). It should be taken first thing in the morning.

Sorry for dismantling your product so bluntly. I don't know if it is a bannable offense, but I can spot this stuff pretty easily. I don't know who in their right mind would use this product.

Do you have some links to the studies you've read on ALCAR disrupting GH related hormones Bungloid? I would have to agree that Phenibut isnt for everyday use - based on the ~4100mg of total product in the GABA blend I would think its dosing is minimal, as most studies suggest several grams of GABA needs to be taken to promote GH release.

Some people suggest the taking of ALCAR in the evening, because of the large release of hormones during sleep. Not a good idea. By stimulating the excitatory neurotransmitters acetylcholine and dopamine, ALCAR makes them dominant over the activity of the neurotransmitter serotonin. In your circadian rythm, serotonin activity naturally becomes dominant at night and promotes sleep. Serotonin is also the base material from which your pineal gland makes melatonin. It's very likely that ALCAR taken later than 3-4PM suppresses normal serotonin and melatonin activity, and disrupts both the hormone cascade and your sleep cycle.

I can't find the studies on hand right now, (I know I saw at least one on another forum) .. just test it out yourself... taking a good dose of ALCAR at night should convince you in one try. After ten hours of itchy, twitchy insomnia, your morning mirror reveals eyes like holes burned in a blanket, over a mouth that mutters repeteadly, "never, never never again..."

Chronic usage of phenibut can lead to some nasty sides and withdrawal. Tolerance builds ridiculously quickly. This is NOT something you want to take every day, or even more than once a week.

How is L-Tyrosine & PEA supposed to help with sleep? Any form of ALCAR taken before sleep also disrupts the hormonal cascade pretty severely (I can quote a lot of literature on this). It should be taken first thing in the morning.

Sorry for dismantling your product so bluntly. I don't know if it is a bannable offense, but I can spot this stuff pretty easily. I don't know who in their right mind would use this product.

The phenibut amount is truly minimal and only enough to provide synergy. We were well aware of tolerance and withdrawal in regards to pheni and took this into consideration. There is not enough pheni to cause either of these problems.

I think you are looking into L-Tyrosine and PEA in terms of sleep and not in the terms of dopamine production, relaxation and growth hormone. PEA has many more attributes than just stimulant. In small doses it is incredible effective for this formula.

Alcar is included for two reasons (and there is not enough in there to be detrimental to GH via negative feedback on somatostatin.

#1. It is an acetyl donor and helps to build acetyl choline levels in the brain. Acetyl choline has a great effect on GH release because it is an inhibitor of somatostatin.

#2. To aid in reducing blood lipids for rapid GH release. Two things that will inhibit the release of GH are insulin and high blood lipid levels. We've covered them both.

I don't see any dismantling of the product at all, just a misunderstanding of the synergy.

The phenibut amount is truly minimal and only enough to provide synergy. We were well aware of tolerance and withdrawal in regards to pheni and took this into consideration. There is not enough pheni to cause either of these problems.

I think you are looking into L-Tyrosine and PEA in terms of sleep and not in the terms of dopamine production, relaxation and growth hormone. PEA has many more attributes than just stimulant. In small doses it is incredible effective for this formula.

Alcar is included for two reasons (and there is not enough in there to be detrimental to GH via negative feedback on somatostatin.

#1. It is an acetyl donor and helps to build acetyl choline levels in the brain. Acetyl choline has a great effect on GH release because it is an inhibitor of somatostatin.

#2. To aid in reducing blood lipids for rapid GH release. Two things that will inhibit the release of GH are insulin and high blood lipid levels. We've covered them both.

I don't see any dismantling of the product at all, just a misunderstanding of the synergy.

Some people suggest the taking of ALCAR in the evening, because of the large release of hormones during sleep. Not a good idea. By stimulating the excitatory neurotransmitters acetylcholine and dopamine, ALCAR makes them dominant over the activity of the neurotransmitter serotonin. In your circadian rythm, serotonin activity naturally becomes dominant at night and promotes sleep. Serotonin is also the base material from which your pineal gland makes melatonin. It's very likely that ALCAR taken later than 3-4PM suppresses normal serotonin and melatonin activity, and disrupts both the hormone cascade and your sleep cycle.

I can't find the studies on hand right now, (I know I saw at least one on another forum) .. just test it out yourself... taking a good dose of ALCAR at night should convince you in one try. After ten hours of itchy, twitchy insomnia, your morning mirror reveals eyes like holes burned in a blanket, over a mouth that mutters repeteadly, "never, never never again..."

I think you have looked into the “amount” of Alcar a little too much here as there is no way it interrupts the normal sleep cycle in this product. If it were loaded with “a good dose”of Alcar your point may be valid. But 10 hours of acute itchy, twitchy insomnia is usually a sign of liver toxicity and not a decline in hormonal status or interruption in the circadian rhythm. I think the testers of this product will attest to the fact that their sleep is phenomenal and their recovery is much improved. There is very little tolerance build up if any and their sleep patterns have normalized.

I appreciate your insight and feedback (really I do) but we have taken great care in formulating this product to avoid all of these issues. Thanks for keeping us honest!

The phenibut amount is truly minimal and only enough to provide synergy. We were well aware of tolerance and withdrawal in regards to pheni and took this into consideration. There is not enough pheni to cause either of these problems.

I think you are looking into L-Tyrosine and PEA in terms of sleep and not in the terms of dopamine production, relaxation and growth hormone. PEA has many more attributes than just stimulant. In small doses it is incredible effective for this formula.

Alcar is included for two reasons (and there is not enough in there to be detrimental to GH via negative feedback on somatostatin.

#1. It is an acetyl donor and helps to build acetyl choline levels in the brain. Acetyl choline has a great effect on GH release because it is an inhibitor of somatostatin.

#2. To aid in reducing blood lipids for rapid GH release. Two things that will inhibit the release of GH are insulin and high blood lipid levels. We've covered them both.

I don't see any dismantling of the product at all, just a misunderstanding of the synergy.

Would it be possible to add an amount of Somnidren GH to a TD carrier? This looks like it could be a legit replacement for PGHT, which worked quite well. Possibly replace the Phenibut with GABOB?

Need a tester?

BV

You could add a TD carrier to Somnidren as is and it should work well. The flavorings shouldn't pose an issue as far as skin sensitivity goes, but the residual texture could be sticky.

The only reason we didn't use GABOB in S-GH is because we couldn't find a reliable source. Most samples were inconsistant and rejected. When a sample did test out the vendor only had small amounts and couldn't guarantee the same product the next time we needed to purchased. This would have made for an inconsistancy between S-GH batches.

We'll keep plugging away at the transdermal version. That is the version I'd like you to test when its closer.

The only reason we didn't use GABOB in S-GH is because we couldn't find a reliable source. Most samples were inconsistant and rejected. When a sample did test out the vendor only had small amounts and couldn't guarantee the same product the next time we needed to purchased. This would have made for an inconsistancy between S-GH batches.

We'll keep plugging away at the transdermal version. That is the version I'd like you to test when its closer.

Just let me know and Ill be waiting sir! :P

I understand about the GABOB sourcing issue - I believe that was UniversalKit's primary reason he could never keep the stuff stocked.

I think Ill give SGH a try orally first, although definitely keep me posted on the TD version - just due to the nature of the compounds involved I'd think it would work really well.

No side effects that we have found other than slight tolerance build up at the receptor site if it isn't cycled. We recommend taking it for 20 nights on and 5-7 nights off or 5 nights on and 2 nights off. This will allow you the full benefits of the product long term.

Chronic usage of phenibut can lead to some nasty sides and withdrawal. Tolerance builds ridiculously quickly. This is NOT something you want to take every day, or even more than once a week.

How is L-Tyrosine & PEA supposed to help with sleep? Any form of ALCAR taken before sleep also disrupts the hormonal cascade pretty severely (I can quote a lot of literature on this). It should be taken first thing in the morning.

Sorry for dismantling your product so bluntly. I don't know if it is a bannable offense, but I can spot this stuff pretty easily. I don't know who in their right mind would use this product.

I think the testers of this product will attest to the fact that their sleep is phenomenal and their recovery is much improved. There is very little tolerance build up if any and their sleep patterns have normalized.

Awesome! Thanks for the purchase! Let me know what you think if you get a chance.

Just received it a couple days ago - too early to gauge results yet of course, but I have to say this stuff gives me the stronges GABA-type rush ive ever had. Last night I took one dose, and 20 minutes later I was tingling all over and short of breath. Then I got so tired I had to go to bed...never had anything knock me out like that

Just received it a couple days ago - too early to gauge results yet of course, but I have to say this stuff gives me the stronges GABA-type rush ive ever had. Last night I took one dose, and 20 minutes later I was tingling all over and short of breath. Then I got so tired I had to go to bed...never had anything knock me out like that

Thats what I love to hear! It packs a lot of punch for a 6 gram serving Synergy is beautiful Once the recovery aspect kicks in you are going to love the stuff.