Quiel's Thoughts

Wednesday, April 6, 2011

"Are science and religion converging? No……..If God is a synonym for the deepest principles of physics, what word is left for a hypothetical being who answers prayers, intervenes to save cancer patients or helps evolution over difficult jumps, forgives sins or dies for them? If we are allowed to relabel scientific awe as a religious impulse, the case goes through on the nod. You have redefined science as religion, so it's hardly surprising if they turn out to "converge." "

It’s a time proven and highly tested principle that nothing exists without a cause. Everything in reality certainly has some sort of cause why it exists and it is an irrefutable scientific and logical fact meaning it is not just a whimsical claim but a scientifically and logically TESTED fact, a kind of fact that have undergone REPETITIVE scientific procedures in order for us to derive an ACCURATE PATTERN of a certain portion, dimension or perspective of REALITY. In school we were thought of mathematical equations that looks at different magnitude perspectives that ultimately proves to be of the same value either side of the equation. One very popular equation is the classic formula by Albert Einstein about Mass–energy equivalence.

In physics, mass–energy equivalence is the concept that any mass has an associatedenergy, and that any energy has an associated type of mass. In special relativity this relationship is expressed using the mass–energy equivalence formulawhereE_0 = energym = massc = the speed of light in a vacuum (celeritas), (about 3×108 m/sec)

In the above physical equation we can clearly see that either side of the equationEXPLAINS the CAUSE of either side, THERE IS NO ENERGY WITHOUT MASS OR SPEED OF LIGHT IN A VACUUM OR BOTH. In accounting if I may because I was trained as a finance professional, we have this FUNDAMENTAL equation we accountants use to EXPLAIN economic values by distinct economic entities at historical verifiable measurements which is the ACCOUNTING EQUATION.

Assets = Liabilities + (Shareholders or Owners equity)

Where the ASSETS being the economic resources owned by the company, the LIABILITIES are the financial obligations of the business firm and the SHAREHOLDERS OR OWNERS EQUITY the economic resources invested by the firms shareholders or owners. Conversely, if it so happen that a certain business firm owns a bank account with an outstanding balance of P100,000, assuming there are no other assets held by the business firm, the most logically plausible EXPLANATION for the EXISTENCE or CAUSE why there is such cash would be that it either came from borrowing or investment by the owner of the business firm or a certain mix of both borrowing and investment by its owner. As we can clearly observe by deeply examining the above given examples we can arrive at a definite conclusion that A CHANGE IN PERSPECTIVE WILL NOT CHANGE THE EXPLANATORY NATURE OF MATHEMATICAL EQUATION, thus, EITHER ON THE PHYSICAL OR FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE THE PRINCIPLE OF MATHEMATICAL EQUATION IS PERVASIVELY APPLICABLE AND NOBODY CAN REFUTE MY CLAIM NOT EVEN THE WORLD RENOWNED ATHEIST DR. RICHARD DAWKINS WHO ACTUALLY SAID AND I QUOTE HIM AGAIN;

"Are science and religion converging? No……..If God is a synonym for the deepest principles of physics, what word is left for a hypothetical being who answers prayers, intervenes to save cancer patients or helps evolution over difficult jumps, forgives sins or dies for them? If we are allowed to relabel scientific awe as a religious impulse, the case goes through on the nod. You have redefined science as religion, so it's hardly surprising if they turn out to "converge." "

I am an accountant not a scientist like Dr. Richard Dawkins but looking deeper in his VERY IRRESPONSIBLE statement we will inevitably arrive at a conclusion that THIS IS A MAN DEVOID OF SCIENTIFIC AND MATHEMATICAL REASON and let me justify my statement;

I have already proven here that the pervasiveness of applying the principle of mathematical equation in WHATEVER PERSPECTIVE, physical or financial, is IMPOSSIBLE to be contested by anybody by exposing the LOGICAL NATURE of the principle of mathematical equations even Dr. Richard Dawkins will find it IMPOSSIBLE to challenge AND I DARE HIM IF HE CAN!

Suppose we CHANGE perspectives in the application of this mathematical principle. Suppose we change the perspective on a much BROADER and COMPREHENSIVE plane of perspective. Suppose we put the UNIVERSE on the other side of the mathematical equation. REMEMBER THAT I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN HERE THAT MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS HAS THE FEATURE OF CAUSAL INTEGRITY MEANING IT TENDS TO EXPLAIN EITHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

If we will put the UNIVERSE on the equation then the mathematical equation will look like this on a REALITY perspective NOT on a PHYSICAL perspective for if we look only in the physical perspective we will arrive in a COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE AND UNREALISTIC mathematical result because the physical perspective looks only on the physically OBSERVED portion of the universe and will inevitably PRECLUDE the UNOBSERVED portion which is still a part of the universe; the equation, thus, will look like this;

UNIVERSE = Σx

Where Σx is the summation of all mathematical variables and functions THAT WILL CAUSE THE UNIVERSE TO ACTUALLY EXIST. This will analytically include the observed and the UNOBSERVED elementary component of the universe and it is this UNOBSERVED portion that these atheists are having problem with because of their FAILURE IN REALIZING that these unobserved portion of the universe DO EXIST the proof of which is the inherent LIMITATION of human physical senses and let me demonstrate this by a FACTUAL example;

The age of the universe has long been a scientific INTRIGUE even before the dawn of human history. There have been NUMEROUS attempts made to reasonably calculate the estimated age of the universe. Current interpretations of astronomical observation indicate that the age of the universe is 13.73 (± 0.12) billion years, and that the diameter of the observable Universe is at least 93 billion light years, or 8.80 × 1026 metres. These current ESTIMATES have been principally made possible by using observed scientific data as obtained in the HUBBLE SPACE TELESCOPE which is to date is one of the largest and most versatile, and is well-known as both a vital research tool and a public relations boon for astronomy. Calculating the age of the universe is only accurate if the assumptions built into the models being used to estimate it are also accurate. This is referred to as strong priors and essentially involves stripping the potential errors in other parts of the model to render the accuracy of actual observational data directly into the concluded result. Although this is not a valid procedure in all contexts (as noted in the accompanying caveat: "based on the fact we have assumed the underlying model we used is correct"), the age given is thus accurate to the specified error (since this error represents the error in the instrument used to gather the raw data input into the model).

The age of the universe based on the "best fit" to WMAP data "only" is 13.69±0.13 Gyr (the slightly higher number of 13.73 includes some other data mixed in). This number represents the first accurate "direct" measurement of the age of the universe (other methods typically involve Hubble's law and age of the oldest stars in globular clusters, etc). It is possible to use different methods for determining the same parameter (in this case – the age of the universe) and arrive at different answers with no overlap in the "errors". To best avoid the problem, it is common to show two sets of uncertainties; one related to the actual measurement and the other related to the systematic errors of the model being used.

The problem of determining the age of the universe is closely tied to the problem of determining the values of the cosmological parameters. Today this is largely carried out in the context of the ΛCDM model, where the Universe is assumed to contain normal (baryonic) matter, cold dark matter, radiation (including both photons and neutrinos), and a cosmological constant. The fractional contribution of each to the current energy density of the Universe is given by the density parameters Ωm, Ωr, and ΩΛ. The full ΛCDM model is described by a number of other parameters, but for the purpose of computing its age these three, along with the Hubble parameter H0 are the most important.

If one has accurate measurements of these parameters, then the age of the universe can be determined by using the Friedmann equation. This equation relates the rate of change in the scale factor a(t) to the matter content of the Universe. Turning this relation around, we can calculate the change in time per change in scale factor and thus calculate the total age of the universe by integrating this formula. The age t0 is then given by an expression of the form

t0 =1/Ho F( Ωm, Ωr,ΩΛ,….)

where the function F depends only on the fractional contribution to the universe's energy content that comes from various components. The first observation that one can make from this formula is that it is the Hubble parameter that controls that age of the universe, with a correction arising from the matter and energy content. So a rough estimate of the age of the universe comes from the inverse of the Hubble parameter,

1/Ho = {Ho /[72km/(s x Mpc)]} x 13.6 Gyr.

To get a more accurate number, the correction factor F must be computed. In general this must be done numerically, and the results for a range of cosmological parameter values are shown in the figure below.

The value of the age correction factor F is shown as a function of two cosmological parameters: the current fractional matter density Ωm and cosmological constant density ΩΛ. The best-fit values of these parameters are shown by the box in the upper left; the matter-dominated universe is shown by the star in the lower right.

The age of the universe can be determined by measuring the Hubble constant today and extrapolating back in time with the observed value of density parameters (Ω). Beforethe discovery of dark energy, it was believed that the universe was matter-dominated, and so Ω on this graph corresponds to Ωm. Note that the accelerating universe has the greatest age, while the Big Crunch universe has the smallest age.

For the WMAP values (Ωm, Ωr) = (0.266, 0.732), shown by the box in the upper left corner of the figure above. This correction factor is nearly one: F = 0.996. For a flat universe without any cosmological constant, shown by the star in the lower right corner, F = 2/3 is much smaller and thus the universe is younger for a fixed value of the Hubble parameter. To make this figure, Ωr is held constant (roughly equivalent to holding the CMB temperature constant) and the curvature density parameter is fixed by the value of the other three.

The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) was instrumental in establishing an accurate age of the universe, though other measurements must be folded in to gain an accurate number. CMB measurements are very good at constraining the matter content Ωm and curvature parameter Ωk. It is not as sensitive to ΩΛ directly, partly because the cosmological constant only becomes important at low redshift. The most accurate determinations of the Hubble parameter H0 come from Type Ia supernovae. Combining these measurements leads to the generally accepted value for the age of the universe quoted above.

The cosmological constant makes the universe "older" for fixed values of the other parameters. This is significant, since before the cosmological constant became generally accepted, the Big Bang model had difficulty explaining why globular clusters in the Milky Way appeared to be far older than the age of the universe as calculated from the Hubble parameter and a matter-only universe. Introducing the cosmological constant allows the universe to be older than these clusters, as well as explaining other features that the matter-only cosmological model could not.

Using these mathematical arguments above we can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that THE COMPUTED AGE OF THE UNIVERSE WOULD LOGICALLY INCLUDE THE AGE OF THE UNOBSERVED PORTION OF THE UNIVERSE. If it therefore includes the age of the UNOBSERVED portion of the universe, then, Mr. Dawkins MUST therefore be bound to accept that the UNOBSERVED portion of the universe DO EXIST, otherwise, HE WILL BE ILLOGICALLY INVALIDATING THE VALID MATHEMATICAL FORMULA;

t0 =1/Ho F( Ωm, Ωr,ΩΛ,….)

And he will also illogically invalidating its mathematical inverse;

1/Ho = {Ho /[72km/(s x Mpc)]} x 13.6 Gyr.

Mr. Dawkins MUST also be bound to accept that the computation of the age of the universe INCLUDES a COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT that will VALIDLY EXPLAIN why globular clusters in the Milky Way appeared to be far older than the age of the universe which will also logically explain why the MATTER-ONLY cosmological model would render the age of the universe mathematical equation COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE if we will EXCLUDE the age of those globular cluster WHICH IS ALSO A PART OF THE UNIVERSE. Mr. DAWKINSMUST therefore be bound to accept that a mathematically accurate cosmological constant INCLUDES a NON-MATTER cosmological model along with the matter cosmological model to render the mathematical equation MORE ACCURATE.

It is also noteworthy that BEFORE those globular clusters in the Milky Way were discovered the matter-only cosmological model rendered the computation of the age of the universe INACCURATE AFTERconsidering the age of the globular clustersAFTER they were discovered. IT TOOK MODERN SCIENCE THE DISCOVERY OF THOSE GLOBULAR CLUSTERS TO ARRIVE AT A MORE ACCURATE COMPUTATION OF THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE. These can only be best explained by the fact that IT REQUIRES THAT OUR MORPHOLOGICAL SENSES PERCEIVE AN OBJECT FIRST BEFORE IT CAN BE CONSIDERED TO LOGICALLY EXIST, THUS, PROVING BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT THAT HUMAN PHYSICAL SENSES REALLY HAVE INHERENT LIMITATIONS AND THAT INCLUDES DR. DAWKINS IF HE IS A HUMAN BEING. What DISTURBS me the most is that this Dr. Dawkins made an absolute declaration that according to him God is just a hypothetical being when in fact he MUST be bound to accept the HIGHLY TESTED cosmological equation that INCLUDES a NON-MATTER cosmological model! These are my reasons why I consider this PSEUDO-scientist Dr. Dawkins A MAN UTTERLY DEVOID OF SCIENTIFIC AND MATHEMATICAL REASON because of these obvious logical contradictions that must not come from a man claiming to be a man of science being a Simonyi Professor for the Public Understanding of Science in the University of Oxford.

Like Dr. Richard Dawkins I am also an atheist before. Being a handicapped person I was exposed to EXTREME SUFFERING brought about by my disability at a very young age. I contracted Poliomyelitis when I was four months old which left me paralyzed from my neck down. Growing up different from anybody including my peers was EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. I was teased heavily in school which often results in violent fights that left me in pain physically and psychologicaly. I was denied of many good things in life and was treated differently in a very bad way oftentimes. I practically grew up thinking that my life is miserable and that if there is a loving God he will not allow all this suffering to afflict my innocent being. What have I done to deserve this kind of EXTREME SUFFERING? GOD CAN CREATE A NORMALLY FUNCTIONING LIMBS FOR ME JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NORMAL HUMAN BEING THAT HE CREATED BUT HE OPTED TO GIVE ME LIMBS THAT I CANT USE INSTEAD BECAUSE ITS USELESS. IF HE REALLY EXIST AND IF HE REALLY LOVES ME THEN WHY AM I LEFT WITH THIS KIND OF MISERABLE LIFE? ITS VERY UNFAIR AND SO UNJUST!

Thinking like this before, I started to hate God. I threw bitter curses on him and even told my brother that there is no God. My hate for God has never been so intense until I stopped doing so when I was finally convinced there really is no God at all and he is just a human invention intended to curb and control social behavior for the benefit of controlling authorities back then. God is just a set of mechanism to assuage public and moral order, IT IS NECESSARY TO INVENT THE CONCEPT OF GOD FOR PUBLIC REGULATION PURPOSES BY INSTILLING GENUINE FEAR IN THE CONSCIENCE OF AS MUCH AS MANY OF ITS SUBJECTS. GOD IS JUST NECESSARY BUT THE NECESSITY FOR HIM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN HE DO REALLY ABSOLUTELY EXIST INDEPENDENT OF ANY CONCEPTIONS HUMAN SOCIETIES HAVE FOR HIS EXISTENCE. Its all for the sake of a necessary social contract NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

My atheistic ideologies started to turn a more progressive swing when I finally became acquainted with the THEORY OF EVOLUTION. It offered me a more scientific explanation about my morphological roots as an earthly organism.

With all these ignorant ideologies that have consumed my intellect before, I started to think that the ABSOLUTE TRUTH about existence and being are strictly confined within these ignorant bounds. I IGNORANTLY NEVER CARED WHERE LIFE CAME FROM NOR DO I CARED ABOUT WHAT REALLY IS THERE THAT CAUSES MATTER TO EXIST.

Nobody knows that I was an atheist except my brother. I continued to attend catholic mass for family and social functions and became very active in the church just because my family and friends are all into this "hypocritical cultic practices". I even officially became a parish choir member of two separate parishes in the catholic church!

I even became a choir member in the catholic church being a nominal catholic despite my being an atheist that time!

My atheistic beliefs started to be challenged heavily when I entertained questions about the origin of life. Where does life come from? Can we human beings create life out of inorganic materials? Can we make artificial life and artificial consciousness? In my quest to find out the truth about the origin of life I was compelled to undergo a very complicated series of scientific study. I read scientific books like I never read before. Good thing my favorite subjects in school were science and math subjects particularly chemistry and physics and so I was sure that I was getting somewhere in my study until I came across something that changed my perception about life forever, the Miller–Urey experiment.

The Miller-Urey Experiment was an experiment that simulated hypothetical conditions thought at the time to be present on the early Earth, and tested for the occurrence of chemical evolution. Specifically, the experiment tested Soviet scientist Alexander Oparin's and J. B. S. Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. Considered to be the classic experiment on the origin of life, it was conducted in 1952 and published in 1953 by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey at the University of Chicago.

The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle.

BUT MUCH TO THE UTTER DISMAY OF THE ATHEIST IN ME THE EXPERIMENT FAILED SORELY IN CREATING LIFE. Within a few days, the water and gas mix produced a pink stain on the sides of the flask trap. As the experiment progressed and the chemical products accumulated, the stain turned deep red, then turbid. After a week, the researchers analyzed the substances in the U-shaped water trap used to collect the reaction products. The primary substances in the gaseous phase were carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrogen (N2). The dominant solid material was an insoluble toxic carcinogenic mixture called ‘tar’ or ‘resin’, a common product in organic reactions, including burning tobacco. This tar was analyzed by the latest available chromatographic techniques, showing that a number of substances had been produced. No amino acids were detected during this first attempt, so Miller modified the experiment and tried again.

In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine. The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended’(Miller, S.L., A production of amino acids under possible primitive earth conditions, Science 117:528–529; p. 528, 1953). The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (–CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller–Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

Miller had to deal with the fact that the common cross-reactions of biochemical reaction products cause destruction or interfere with amino acid production. All compounds that interfere with bonding must be isolated or they will destroy the proteins. Therefore, Miller had to remove many contaminants and impurities to obtain pure compounds that are not normally found in life. Otherwise, his apparatus would have produced many destructive cross-reactions.

This is no small problem. Many organic compounds, such as ethanol and isopropyl alcohol, function as disinfectants by forming their own hydrogen bonds with a protein and, as a result, disrupt the proteins’ hydrophobic interactions. Alcohol swabs are used to clean wounds or to prepare skin for injections because the alcohol passes through cell walls and coagulates the proteins inside bacteria and other cells. Also, heavy metal ions such as Ag+, Pb2+ and Hg2+ must be isolated from proteins because they disrupt the protein’s disulfide bonds, causing the protein to denature. As an example, a dilute (1%) AgNO3 solution is placed in the eyes of newborn babies to destroy the bacteria that cause gonorrhea. Many heavy metal ions are very toxic if ingested because they severely disrupt protein structure, especially enzymes.

To form a protein, amino acids must link together to form a peptide bond, eliminating a water molecule. But there is a far greater tendency for the reverse to happen. This would be even more of a problem in water.

Another problem is that many of the other compounds necessary for life, such as sugar, also react strongly with amino acids and affect amino acid synthesis. For example, Miller and others had to use a sugar-free environment in their experiments. Miller stopped his experiment after just a few days, but if it had been allowed to go on, would the compounds he produced be destroyed or would they produce more complex amino acids? Research on Murchison meteorite found that natural conditions produce compounds much like Miller’s, and the result is stable—indicating that further time would not produce any new products.

The Miller–Urey experiments produced many other compounds aside from amino acids, resulting in a sticky mass that was actually further from the building blocks of life than were the postulated original precursor chemicals. Toxic compounds produced include cyanides, carbon monoxide, and others—actually most of the dark matter in the solution could not be identified by the researchers in 1953.

The Miller–Urey experiment left many critical questions unanswered, even such basic ones as, ‘How did the chemicals combine to form the first molecules of living organisms?’ Chemicals do not produce life; only complex structures such as DNA and enzymes produce life. Also, even if the source of the amino acids and the many other compounds needed could be explained, how these many diverse elements became aggregated in the same area and then properly assembled themselves must still be dealt with. This problem is a major stumbling block to all abiogenesis theories because, according to a prestigious science publication;

"… no one has ever satisfactorily explained how the widely distributed ingredients linked up into proteins. Presumed conditions of primordial earth would have driven the amino acids toward lonely isolation. That’s one of the strongest reasons that Wächtershäuser, Morowitz, and other hydrothermal vent theorists want to move the kitchen [that cooked life] to the ocean floor. If the process starts down deep at discrete vents, they say, it can build amino acids—and link them up—right there." (SOURCE: Simpson, S., Life’s first scalding steps, Science News 155(2):24–26, 1999; p. 26. )

All the while the atheist in me thought that science can answer life’s basic questions but I was gravely wrong! The more I studied science rigorously the more questions I came up with and those questions just piled up like crazy! MY QUESTION IS JUST AN APPARENTLY SIMPLE QUESTION ‘WHAT CAUSES LIFE TO EXIST?’ BUT WHY CANT SCIENCE ANSWER THIS BASIC QUESTION?

DESPERATELY FRUSTRATED in my quest to answer my question ‘what causes life to exist?’ through my scientific study I started to analyze deeper by asking this analytical question,

‘WHY DO I KNOW THERE IS LIFE?’

When I encountered this question my life just figuratively turned upside down. All the while I thought I was smart enough but here I am asking this seemingly stupid question. Every time I start studying back from scratch I can’t really avoid asking this question ‘WHY DO I KNOW THERE IS LIFE?’ so I finally convinced myself right there and then that if this question is a derivative product of a repetitive logical process then THIS QUESTION MUST BE A LOGICALLY RELEVANT QUESTION AND AN IRREFUTABLY PLAUSIBLE ONE so once again I’ve gathered up my loins and embarked on a logical journey without a sure destination. I started solving this problem by identifying my LOGICAL CONSTANTS and my logical constants had led me to these analyses;

Knowing requires PERCEPTION for without perception it is impossible for any consciousness to know anything. Anything that any consciousness perceives MUST have a very ESSENTIAL quality, EXISTENCE.

During those times I still was a skeptic atheist so naturally my concept of existence is strictly confined to what is PHYSICAL or MATERIAL then all of a sudden like I was struck by a DEADLY LIGHTNING the atheist in me was SHOCKED DEVASTATINGLY by my the next derivative question;

'IF I KNOW THROUGH WHAT IS MATERIAL OR MATTER THEN WHAT CAUSES MATTER TO EXIST?'

I was really caught by a VERY SHOCKING SURPRISE that literally VIOLENTLY SHATTERED my whole intellectual being. The question posed an EXTREMELY DIFFICULT CHALLENGE for me to obligedly undertake. I did not really expect that my logical quest would brought me in a position where I am now asking the root of all basics.

WHY IS THERE MATTER? WHAT CAUSES MATTER TO EXIST?

The deep feeling of frustration that I encountered during my study of the Miller-Urey Experiment was even compounded tremendously by this one. All the while I thought I owe my existence to my ape ancestors through evolution because I was an atheist back then but now here I am asking a question that is even WAY BEYOND the theory of evolution and even WAY BEYOND the origin of life.

I was literally on the brink of LOSING MY SANITY. I became EXTREMELY CONFUSED and INTELLECTUALLY DISINTEGRATED. My feeling of HOPELESSNESS was starting to creep into my whole being. I FELT AS IF I WAS LEFT SO CLUELESS.

Nevertheless, I still embarked on an attempt to answer this question. I told myself I have already reached the POINT OF NO RETURN and this is the BOILING POINT. I told myself that I must find the answer to this question before I finally DIE. The sense of urgency was there and time is of the essence.

So the question was ‘WHAT CAUSES MATTER TO EXIST?’

Once again I finally come face to face with an old familiar term, MATTER . In my re-study of matter I have discovered that it’s NOT the atom that is the smallest particle of matter which I formerly thought it was. It’s NOT even the dense nucleus and the electron cloud that surrounds it that comprises an atom that is the smallest particle of matter. It’s NOT even the proton, neutron, electron, neutrino, etc. that elementary composes matter because there are still smaller particles that composes them which are the leptons , quarks and gauge bosons . To date, modern advancements in physics and chemistry have NOT YET found what really the smallest particle of matter is. In fact, much complicated and advanced scientific and mathematical research has yet to be done with the discovery of a yet another SMALLER particle which is the Higgs boson .

The discovery of the Higgs boson prompted some scientist to HYPOTHETICALLY name it “the God particle” and up until now much scientific and mathematical research has yet to be done to eliminate much scientific SPECULATION surrounding this elementary particle of matter due to its scalar field nature.

The SHEER DESPERATION of the atheist in me has now turned to full blown HOPELESSNESS. The science that I initially thought would provide answers to my questions and the science that shaped my atheistic beliefs has now become a quagmire of hopeless dead-ends and an infinite compounding factor for more questions than answers. At that point I finally admitted to myself ‘IF I HAVE PERSONALLY PROVEN THROUGH ADEQUATE SCIENTIFIC STUDY THAT SCIENCE IS UNDOUBTEDLY INSUFFICIENT TO ANSWER LIFE’S BASIC QUESTIONS THEN WHAT WILL?’

The boastful and confident atheist in me has now become a merger and confusion of virtual insanities. The collapse within the ego was like the wrath of a strong tempest destroying all that is to destroy within me. Its like a mind-shrinking mental asphyxia that is slowly eating me up to my bitter death. WHERE DO I GO NOW? WHAT DO I DO NOW WITH MY QUESTIONS? AM I JUST GOING TO ACCEPT THAT LIFE AND EXISTENCE AN ILLOGICAL PHASE OF RANDOM ACCIDENT? WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW TO MY QUEST TO FIND THE ULTIMATE CAUSE? THERE MUST BE A CAUSE FOR EVERTHING THAT EXIST IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE NO CAUSE!!! THAT’S ILLOGICAL!!!

Knowing that science CANNOT answer my logical questions about existence and being at its ultimate sense I started looking for reasons OUTSIDE human science which I have already proven to be INSUFFICIENT and ESSENTIALLY SUPERFICIAL due to its obvious LIMITATION. I said to myself maybe I can find the answers to all my questions in a perspective OTHER THAN the scientific perspective so I started to look for VALID CLUES which led me to look at SUPERNATURAL perspective at an OBJECTIVE approach.

During those times I still was a nominal Roman Catholic so I started to look for those “valid clues” inside the cult that I was brought up with. I joined a Catholic Charismatic Community named “Bukas Loob sa Dios” and paid huge sums of money just to join their retreats and seminars. I joined their Singles Encounter Seminar and paid 1,000 Philippine Pesos for it and also joined their Family Encounter Seminar wherein my parents paid 4,000 Philippine Pesos because it was a package deal which includes all my family members. I also became very active in church. All of a sudden I started listening to what the Roman Catholic priest has to say during the mass in my hope to hear ANYTHING that would give me even just a minuscule clue for me to have a valid logical precedent to my questions BUT MY SEARCH PROVED TO BE VERY MUCH FUTILE. I joined the Life in the Spirit Seminar FIVE TIMES and paid relatively substantial amounts of money for it in the Roman Catholic Parish Church where I belong but ALL WERE JUST EXERCISES IN FUTILITY. ALL I GOT FOR ALL MY MONEY AND EFFORT WEREMEANINGLESS CULTIC RITUALSANDEMPTY HYPNOTIC STORIES CALLED SERMONSALMOST AS GOOD AS SOOTHSAYING. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS JUST A BIG SYNDICATED MONEY-MAKING MACHINE CATEGORICALLY DEVOID OF AUTHENTIC BIBLICAL DOCTRINE AND IS VERY MUCH INEFFECTIVE IN EFFECTUALLY EDIFYING ITS POOR MEMBERS, THUS, IS VERY MUCH INEFFECTIVE IN PRESERVING HIGH MORAL STANDARDS OF ITS MEMBERS ONE PROOF OF WHICH IS THE HEAVY INFESTATION OF GRAFT AND CORRUPTION IN THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT DESPITE THE CLAIM THAT THE PHILIPPINES IS THE ONLY CATHOLIC NATION IN ASIA (I USED THE WORD CATHOLIC INSTEAD OF CHRISTIAN SIMPLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS CATEGORICALLY A PAGAN RELIGION VERY MUCH NOT CONNECTED WITH THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE).

From then on I started to look at religion on a much LIBERAL approach. I started studying religion other than that of the Roman Catholic pagan religion. I started with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and enlisted in their bible study program but MUCH TO MY UTTER DISMAY they started to persuade me to buy their books even if we are not even halfway yet with my bible study so I immediately came into the inevitable conclusion that this religion is actually in substance a money-making syndicate just like the Roman Catholic pagan religion is.

I hopped from one religion to another in search of the “valid clues” that I have been searching for. From the very politically influential cult founded by Felix Manalo called Iglesia ni Cristo which I eventually found to be a BIG FAKE, to the different non-denominational anti-religion Born Again fellowships like that of the Jesus Is Lord movement of Bro. Eddie Villanueva and that of Mr. Pat Robertson of The 700 Club fame. ALL OF THEM CLAIMING TO BE THE EXCLUSIVE BASTION OF GOD’S GRACE AND SALVATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY A VERY BIG LIE!

In my search for those clues with all those religions that I have searched up with I noticed that almost all of them QUALIFYINGLY USE a common FIXTURE of faith that is also HYPOCRITICALLY being used in the pagan religion which I came from which is the Roman Catholic pagan cult. I started noticing an old familiar object that almost all of them are claiming to be the exclusive source of their religious doctrine with the exception of the Catholic Church wherein they heavily use INVENTED doctrines instead. I STARTED NOTICING THE BIBLE.

During those times my focus is more on INSTITUTIONS rather than OBJECTIVE CAUSALITIES in looking at religions. I never really thought the BIBLE has a very big “SOMEWHAT” influence with these religions so I started researching about the BIBLE.

WHAT IS IT IN THIS BOOK THAT GETS THE FUZZ OUT FROM THESE RELIGIONS? THEY ARE ALL USING THE SAME BIBLE WHY CANT THEY JUST AGREE ON JUST ONE THING INTEAD OF ESTABLISHING A DIFFERENT RELIGION OF THEIR OWN WHICH RESULTS TO THE PROLIFERATION OF SO MANY RELIGION NOWADAYS?

MAYBE THOSE “VALID CLUES” THAT I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ARE JUST WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THIS FUNDAMENTAL REFERENCE….

My VERY IGNORANT thoughts about the Bible before my critical study of the Miller-Urey Experiment was that ITS JUST A MEANINGLESS PIECE OF LITERATURE WRITTEN BY AN ANCIENT ABORIGINAL TRIBE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ITS JUST A COLLECTION OF EMPTY DELUSIONAL HYMNS AND RIDDLES ABOUT A CREATION MYTH. I never really looked at the Bible in an equal objective footing with those science references that I have been using. Maybe if I will momentarily change this kind of approach with how I look the Bible and allow objectivity in studying this book FREE FROM MIND-SHRINKING ATHEISTIC BIASES that I can get something meaningful in my quest to answer life’s basic questions.

Once again I embarked on a logical journey with the Bible as my focal point of reference with science as a corroborating supplement. I studied its history and how scholars computed the dating of the Bible. I also studied its authorship and how the Bible came in the form that we now know it to be. I started to skim through its pages trying to get a glimpse of what its contents are.

The odd thing was as I read the Bible my initial expectations regarding the Bible that it’s just a collection of PRIMITIVE DELUSIONAL HYMNS AND RIDDLES were slowly being replaced by a gradual realization that THE BIBLE IS A HIGHLY RELIABLE ARCHIVE OF HUMAN HISTORY.

All along the while I thought as I read the Bible that it was only all about human history that has yet to be archaeologically verified but as I read it further and further I slowly became drawn with how the Bible was written in a very detailed manner with a strong thematic cohesion and articulation despite the fact that the Bible took almost 3,700 years to be completely written by more than 40 different authors in different time periods with a time difference ranging from 50 years to a whopping 3,500 years!

The EXTREMELY CHILLING part was when I have read Bible passages that were PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any human being living during those times to have known that were later discovered by modern science after thousands of years to be scientifically accurate. One very good example was that written in the book of Isaiah chapter 40 verse 22 which reads;

“It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:” (King James Version)

Saturday, April 24, 2010

Sometimes when we live in the comfort of our own personal lives ESPECIALLY when we are materially affluent we tend to be DESENSITIZED by our material blessings to the HARSH realities of life. We tend to LOOK DOWN on people that are UNPRIVILEGED in this world, the CLASS of people that are POWERLESS, NEGLECTED, DISCRIMINATED, DEPRIVED OF OPPORTUNITIES DESERVING THEM, THE WEAK and VICTIMS OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY DO NOT LIKE. We tend to look at them by their social class and not by their real substance as a human being ALSO. Please allow me to define this REAL phenomena as the ELITIST ATTITUDE.

CONTROVERSIAL as it may seem I just want to share a little bit of TASTE of this ELITIST ATTITUDE by using excerpts from ACTUAL conversations which I recently engaged myself into and it goes a little something like this;

Eric GutierrezExeq again, we respect your views, but this is not the right page for your views. This is a united stand against the injustice at Maguindanao, regardless what your political affiliation may be. Thanks in advance for understanding.Yesterday at 5:00pm

Eric GutierrezXeq before you start swearing, let me clarify that no one said politics had no part of it. Of course it does! But this page is DEDICATED to DENOUNCING the events in Maguindanao and the INJUSTICE we are experiencing regarding it.

I agree, those endorsements shouldn't be here either.Yesterday at 6:05pm

Mc Starr BeldiaXeq... post na a comment calling all Noynoy supporters to get out this page kung yan pinag-puputok mo....Yesterday at 6:32pm

Eric Gutierrez@Xeq if you read the main post of this thread and the previous thread, you did not mention anything directly or indirectly about the Maguindanao Massacre, thus I requested if you could focus your views on the main page's subject. I admire your passion for your beliefs, but if this page becomes a venue for unrelated rhetoric, then no one else will bother to read this.

If you wish to mirror the incidents at Luisita to Maguindanao, do so as you wish but do not fall into the bait of biased writers and retaliate. That makes you no different from them.

Admin, I am one with Xeq. Let's heed his call to be non-partisan, as introducing partisan politics in this discussion will only derail this page's goals. This is not Noynoy's fight. This is OURS.... See More

The rest of us need to be vigilant and denounce any form of politicking, be it for Noynoy, Villar, Erap, Gibo or whoever is running for president. Sure, someone will rattle off and say lots of things about it, but let's be the smarter ones and stay focused. We need to invite as many members to this page as possible. Being pro- or anti- anybody will not help.

I was very clearly referring to the top post and your previous post as having no direct mention to the Maguindanao massacre. I did not generalize or refer to all your posts.

I also wish to clarify did not consider your post as 'rhetorics'. Please read my post clearly. It said "...IF this page becomes a venue for unrelated rhetoric". If this unrelated debate continues, walang mangyayari. That's what the OTHERS want to happen. Yung magkagulo tayo

Kapatid, ito ay isang pakiusap lamang. Nasa sa iyo iyan kung tutulong ka sa pagtugon ng tawag ng page na ito or do something otherwise. At any rate, I admire you for your passion and idealism. Please understand that people with varying opinions and backgrounds can still have one voice.

This is our challenge.Yesterday at 7:48pm

Mc Starr Beldia@ eric.... and where would be this ADMIN? I've been out of this group for a while because of this spams and non-related post... I just re-join because I could not with stand what is happening to the case and to voice out that this is a serious matter... WHOEVER IS THE ADMIN PLEASE MAKE A STAND.. PLEASE... GUARD THIS PAGE....Yesterday at 7:57pm

Esperanza Johnston@Exequiel good evening kababayan I am sorry if. I have offended you with my comment before not expecting the outcome will be explosive. Hindi ko inalipusta si Villar ano oh kahit sino man. All I said is "Want change vote for Noynoy"you could have done the same thing with different name ano!We should not make a big deal about it this iissue have just gone out of proportion. Let's just put it aside our ideas regarding politics okey and let's just concentrate dito sa "WE CONDEMN THE MAGUINDANAO MASSACRE & DEMAND JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS"> CheersYesterday at 8:00pm

Eric GutierrezI think the Admin should rename himself to remove any bias haha.

Mc Starr BeldiaThe present Government want to make us citizen of this country to HATE them more...and put fire to makes us go out on streets to protest... and I think when this happen... they could and would call for MARTIAL LAW.... and ELECTION to FAIL....

Mc Starr Beldiaand I know God's eyes and ears are on us... just like his people in exodus.... they wander for 40 years kasi reklamo ng reklamo... they have doubts on many things.. till finally they entered the promise land. Its time that we give our Trust back to Him para hindi na tayo wander ng wander....Yesterday at 4:46pm

(SOURCE: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=190552037471&v=wall)My views and opinions were EXTREMELY DIFFERENT than theirs but I still stood by my principles and fought for it! We do not live in a vacuum and fantastic fairytales. HARSH REALITIES EXISTS and we must all recognize that and deal with it. MANY OF OUR FELLOW FILIPINOES ARE HUNGRY BECAUSE THE FOOD THAT IS REALLY FOR THEM IS ROTTING IN THE FREEZERS OF THE RICH, MANY DO NOT HAVE MONEY BECAUSE THE RICH HAVE PUT THEM IN THEIR BRIMMING COFFERS THAT THEY THEMSELVES CAN NEVER DEPLETE ALL THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFETIME, MANY ARE DYING BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO BUY PRICY MEDICINES AS CONTROLLED BY FOREIGN MULTINATIONALS BECAUSE MANY ELITISTS HAVE STOCK INVESTMENTS ON THEM AND THEY WANT THEIR INVESTMENTS TO EARN HIGH DIVIDENDS. DONT YOU THINK THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH ALREADY? I DO!!!

Wednesday, October 1, 2008

REJECTION is normally a psychologically PAINFUL experience, a kind of experience no normal human being wants to experience for himself because of perceived unfavorable effects to its passive subject. From a simple unexpected and embarrassing snub to an unrequited love, the degree of emotional PAIN varies accordingly depending on the circumstances and the parties involved.

But for some the pain of rejection is too much to handle with LETHALLY CATASTROPHIC effects. Oftentimes these TRAUMATIC emotional pains which comes from rejection has a LASTING pain that haunts the person FOR LIFE driving them to think, do and not to do things intended to inflict retributive pain towards a more likely innocent victim(s). NOTHING CAN BE MORE PAINFUL THAN THE REJECTION OF YOUR OWN FATHER. A father that is supposed to be the source of primary moral support and love is instead the source of his own child’s MENTAL ANGUISH, EXTREME PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE and UNBEARABLE SUFFERING at a very tender age, generically ranging from CHILD ABUSE, INCESTUOUS RAPE, BEATINGS and NEGLECT to DELIBERATELY INDUCED HUNGER and ultimately KILLING the child by various means, some children are KILLED through STABBING, DROWNING, POISONING, STRANGULATION, etc.

Take for example the case of Mariannet Amper, a 12 year old girl who allegedly committed SUICIDE because of extreme poverty as initially reported by some UNRELIABLE Philippine media capitalizing on sensationalism rather than verifiability as IRRESPONSIBLE as the report made by GMANEWS.TV whose report goes like this;

The tragic life of Mariannet Amper, or why children commit suicide11/10/2007 09:15 PMBy CLAIRE SY DELFIN

She would have completed her elementary school, but the 12-year-old girl grew so dejected that she hanged herself, and her dreams of finishing school died with her. Mariannet Amper’s suicide last week in Davao City hogged headlines and sparked off protest rallies against the government. Poverty has been blamed on her decision to end her life. Under her pillow was a letter she wrote addressed to television program, “Wish Ko Lang," which grants viewers’ wishes. On it, Mariannet wished for a new pair of shoes, a bag, a bicycle and better-paying jobs for her parents. She also left a diary, narrating her family’s difficulties surviving a life penniless in a little hut that has neither electricity nor running water. She also wrote that she had not attended school for a month for lack of transportation fare. “I suspect she did it because of our situation," her father Isabelo, a carpenter, told reporters in the vernacular.But psychiatrists disputes that poverty cannot be the only factor to push someone, especially a child, to commit suicide. “It is unfair to simply look at suicide in that angle (poverty)," said psychiatrist Dr. Ma. Luz Casimiro-Querubin. After all, many poor Filipinos do not resort to killing themselves despite their hopeless condition. And there have been cases of children born to well-to-do families who have committed or attempted suicide. Suicide is not an instant decision, she said. It is borne out of a suicidal tendency that the child develops within himself. Suicidal tendency, in turn, is a psychosocial and multi-factorial behavior that is developed through time when the child faces long-standing problems within himself and in his immediate environment. Soon, the child would manifest episodes of depression, hopelessness and low self-esteem. Although poverty is a risk factor, it can hardly stand-alone. It is the lack or absence of support system that compounds the child’s problem, leading her to lose hope and meaning in life, and eventually commit suicide. “The fact that Mariannet has six more siblings in a family with very limited resources indicates that some of them, including her, may be marginalized," Casimiro-Querubin says. Hence, even if she was born to a rich family, but was wanting of proper attention from significant people around her, she is prone to develop suicidal tendencies. Lack of dataExperts, however, find it difficult to conduct research on suicide for any age group in the country because the Philippines has no central registry for recording suicide and suicidal attempts. Data gathering is even made more difficult by religious and social biases.The latest data available is from the World Health Organization, which was released in 1993. It says that suicide rates per hundred thousand population in the Philippines are 2.5 for males and 1.7 for females. Casimiro-Querubin agrees that suicide is rare in the Philippines, but warns that it is happening and is increasing especially with the rising incidence of parents going abroad for employment, leaving behind children with distorted support system. “It has a high psychosocial cost to children," she said.Child psychiatrist Dr. Agnes Bueno said that in her practice, the youngest in her files of patients who attempted suicide seriously is an eight-year-old boy. A child below five years, she says, has no concept of death as permanent and meaningful. “Therefore, he is incapable of actualizing suicide although accident-proneness could be an equivalent in their age group," Bueno said.She shares in her article entitled, “When a Child Wants to Die,’ published in Medical Observer magazine in April 2001 a background inventory of attempted suicide among her patients. Her inventory shows the following:- Ten out of 10 belong to Class A economic status- Nine out of 10 are Catholics- Eight out of 10 are males- Eight out of 10 are due to relationships (family and romance)- Two out of 10 are due to clinical depression- Two out of 10 are in an incestuous relationship with their fathers- Ten out of 10 occurred in the home- Ten out of 10 are students- Five out of 10 are positive for family history of alcoholism- Two out of 10 are positive for family history of suicide- Three out of 10 have friends who also attempted suicideShe advises parents to immediately detect sudden changes in the child’s behavior as such are symptomatic of a suicidal tendency. Changes in the child’s academic performance, mood swings and instances when a child hurts another child or takes away things that do not belong to him are signs that parents should watch out for. If any of these happens, parents must open their lines of communication to the child and be more sensitive with his needs.Suicide is instinctLora (not her real name) recounts occasions during her childhood when she would pound her head on a concrete wall each time she would feel sad. At one time, she attempted to hang herself. To her recollection, her suicidal tendency started when she was nine or 10 years old. And this has remained until today that she is already in her late 20s, is married and has a child.“It’s instinct. Suicide is always an option whenever I feel depressed," she says. “It’s just right there waiting to happen."Lora says it doesn’t even need a major setback for her to entertain thoughts on suicide. A simple spat with her husband, or getting scolded by her mother when she was a child is enough. She considers her suicidal tendencies a dilemma, especially since she can’t even identify its source. All she remembers is that she hated her father when she was a child. She refuses to elaborate. Taking responsibilityBut in the case of Mariannet, the real reason for her suicide seems shoved away as the government has already taken responsibility for it. “We take responsibility for everything. Because we are leaders of the government, we need to ensure that services are there," Health Secretary Francisco Duque III said. President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo immediately ordered the Department of Education (DepEd) to fast track the expansion of the alternative distance-learning program that allows a child to study and finish schooling without having to go to a formal school.This way, Mariannet could have continued schooling without having to worry over transportation fare. DepEd Undersecretary Vilma Labrador has also instructed teachers to check on their students and conduct home visits after a child has gone absent for three days without prior notice. Fight vs povertyEven prior to Mariannet’s death, the President has ordered the Department of Budget and Management to release one billion pesos to fund hunger mitigation programs. She has also told a business forum that her economic efforts have started to bear fruit. “The common people are now feeling the benefits of a growing economy."This was instantly met with protests by left-wing organizations and anti-poverty groups, insisting that the economic growth fails to trickle down to the poor. A recent Social Weather Stations survey shows that about nine million Filipino families regarded themselves as poor. Many of them also said that they experienced “severe hunger" in the last three months. Psychiatrists, however, claimed that while there is a need to uplift the financial capacity of 87 million Filipinos, doing so cannot and will not guarantee an end to childhood suicide. They remind Filipinos that the core of problems in children takes its roots, not in their economic status, but in their family system. At the end of the day, it is back to basics – the family. - GMANews.TV

Later it was found by police authorities that the girl died NOT because she killed herself because of extreme poverty but because SHE WAS RAPED and eventually KILLED or LED TO DIE by her own father FALSIFYING initial media reports made by UNSCRUPOLOUS and MONEY-GREEDY media outfits in the Philippines that the poor girl died because she committed suicide out of extreme poverty. Later police investigations revealed FOULPLAY in the poor girl’s cause of DEATH with her own father as a prime suspect.

DAVAO CITY (MindaNews/16 November) - Police here confirmed that 12-year old Mariannet Amper, who HANGED HERSELF at home on November 2, was a victim of RAPE. Supt. Matthew Baccay, chief of the Talomo Police Station, told reporters here Friday that the final autopsy report points to a case of rape, and the perpetrator could face the mandatory charge of statutory rape. 12 year old Mariannet Amper, who hanged herself at home on November 2, was a victim of rape."The penetration injury is very telling," he said.Under the Revised Penal Code, statutory rape is committed by having carnal knowledge of a woman under twelve years of age. The law also provides that penetration, no matter how slight, or mere introduction of the male organ into the labia of the pudendum constitutes carnal knowledge. Dr. Tomas Dimaandal, city medico-legal officer, who performed the autopsy on the exhumed remains of Mariannet Thursday, said TWO LACERATIONS WERE FOUND IN THE GIRL'S PRIVATE PART, one located at the left side, described as "shallow healed" and the other at the right side, described as "deep healed."He said he suspected that a hard object, including a male sex organ, could have caused the laceration but he intimated that the girl "could have been raped. Baccay said he would rule out any other hard objects "other than a male sexual organ. Although the two lacerations evident at both sides of tissue have healed, Baccay said "it was probable that she was raped at least a week before she committed suicide. He said it was also probable that she might have been MOLESTED earlier. Although the girl was a victim of rape, Baccay said police investigation would still hold on to its theory that the girl had committed suicide. "Westill hold on the angle that it is suicide as there was no struggle observed on the part of Mariannet," he told reporters.Aside from her entries in her school diary and her letter to the television program, Wish Ko Lang of GMA 7, Baccay also showed a page from the girl's notebook on which was sketched a girl inside what looked like a coffin. Thefinal autopsy result said the "cause of death is due to asphyxia by ligature. Dimaantal explained Mariannet "could not breathe because of strangulation. "But it is not yet absolute. Foul play is still a possibility," Baccay said as he announced there would be a long investigation ahead. He said they have expanded their investigation, that could extend to the Ampers relatives, neighbors and Mariannet's religion teacher, adviser, and school principal. Mariannet’s father, Isabelo Sr., and her brothers Isabelo Jr., 20, and Julieto, 18 were questioned by police during a formal inquiry today (Friday). Baccay said part of procedure was for them to take a drug test within the day. Mariannet was found hanging by her younger brother, Reynald, 10.Baccay meantime, also also ruled out newsreports that the girl committed suicide because of abject poverty. "It was a melodramatic portrayal of the media," he said."Dili sila isang kahig-isang tuka," (They are not in subsistence living). He said the Ampers have the necessities although they cannot afford the luxuries in life. "Their parents have cellular phones, they have electricity, they have atelevision set," he said. That they are poor could have contributed to the reasons why she committed suicide, he said.But he added IT WAS WRONG TO CONCLUDE that she hanged herself because of poverty," he said. (with report from Walter I. Balane / MindaNews)

DAVAO CITY (MindaNews/16 November) -- Mayor Duterte ordered the police on Thursday night to start questioning” the father and brothers of 12-year old Mariannet Amper, following autopsy results indicatingshe might have been sexually abused.Dr. Tomas Dimaandal, who performed the autopsy on the exhumed remains of Mariannet Thursday, announced theresults in a press conference at the Grand Men Seng Hotel late Thursday afternoon.Dimaandal said they found twowounds in the girl's private part, one located at the left side, described as "shallow healed" and the other at the right side,described as "deep healed."He said she died of “asphyxia by ligature.” She could no longer breathebecause of the strangulation.Mariannet was earlier reported to have been driven to suicide due to her family’spoverty.P/Supt. Matthew Baccay, Talomo police chief, told MindaNews Mariannet died of suicide but the indications ofsexual abuse could have prompted Mariannet to hang herself.The Amper family, however, denied involvement in thealleged foul play.Baccay led a police team to the Ampers' residence in an uphill community in Maa at past 7p.m.Beforethe police arrived, Isabelo Amper, Sr., Mariannet’s father, declined to grant reporters an interview and appealedfor assistance for the family to respond personally to the mayor. "Please understand us, the family agreed to talk first tothe mayor," he said.But the Ampers agreed to talk to reporters when Baccay's team arrived.The father denied raping hisdaughter. He said he couldn't have done that to Mariannet, a daughter who is a baby to the family. He said neither he norhis sons could have done that to Mariannet. The Amper household has three other male members, Isabelo Jr., 20;Julieto, 18; and Reynald, 10.It was Reynald who found her "Ate Mannet" first. His older brother Julieto was the one whoremoved the rope around her neck.Baccay asked the two to reenact what they did on the day Mariannet died. They werelater questioned separately, as were their father and brother Isabelo, Jr.Mariannet’s father, however, said he couldn't pinpoint a suspect. "This shock ed us. We didn't know she wasalready going through this," he said. "She was not telling us about her problems," he said."Na shock mi. Dili ko katoo ngagi rape siya," (We were shocked. We couldn't believe that she was raped).Mariannet’s father said they have bigdogs that would bark at strangers and would attack intruders if ordered so.He also denied a report that a page ofMariannet's makeshift diary was torn to hide the truth.The Department of Education regional office said in theirinvestigation, that Nilda Alasagas, who teaches Pilipino, required her sixth grade pupils to submit a "talaarawan" (diary)written on recycled notebook for submission on November 5.The assignment was for the month of October. Mariannet'sentries were only from October 1 to 25. She died on November 2. Her death was reported only on November 6 when thefamily sought the city government for burial assistance.Mariannet’s father vowed to cooperate with theinvestigators even if he said he was shocked that he and his other sons are now suspects. "Bisan pag akong mga anakang makit-an nga nihimo ana," (Even if my sons did it) he said."Padamgohan nalang unta mi ni niya aron mahibaw-annamo kinsa gyud naghimo ato," (I hope Mariannet will show us in a dream who did it to her), he said.Magdalena, thegirl's mother, came to the defense of her husband and sons."They could not do that to Mariannet. Dili na mabuhat saakong bana kang Maneth. Buoton pud na akong mga anak," (My husband could not do that. My sons are good children,too) she said."Lisud kaayo among kahimtang ani karon uy. Nahutdan na ko og luha para mohilak," (We are in verydifficult times. I have run out of tears), she said.Baccay told MindaNews it is possible that Mariannet hanged herself withno assistance from anyone, after her brothers reenacted what they saw. Earlier in the day, he told a press conference,there was a possibility somebody older helped her, citing Reynald's testimony.He explained that the evening visit wasmeant to be an initial questioning on the new course of their investigation. He said he came to formally inform theAmpers of the results of the autopsy. The Amper family, he said, was asked to visit the Talomo police station today(Friday) to make their formal statements.Duterte ordered Baccay to establish if there was rape and to pinpoint theperpetrators.Baccay said everybody who was in contact with Mariannet is a suspect. (Walter I. Balane/ MindaNews)Mindanewshttp://www.mindanews.comPowered by Joomla!Generated: 12 August, 2008, 08:42(SOURCE: http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=mariannet+amper+rape+Isabelo&y=Search&fr=slv8-msgr&u=www.mindanews.com/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D3290&w=mariannet+amper+rape+raped+isabelo&d=O1eMMPReRTaN&icp=1&.intl=us)

Mariannet could have been molested:

report By Nef Luczon Published : 2007-11-16

Mayor Rodrigo Duterte ordered the police to elevate the investigation on 12-year-old Mariannet Amper from simple SUICIDE to MURDER after the autopsy conducted yesterday indicated she might have been RAPED. Police authorities yesterday invited the Mariannet’s father, Isabelito, for questioning. Chief Insp. Tomas Dimaandal, Regional Scene of the Crime Operatives (Soco) XI medico-legal officer, confirmed that there were lacerations on her genitals that were probably healing for “more than weeks.” “If we based the laceration’s position sa isang relo (on a watch), it’s a three-o-clock to nine-o-clock position,” Dimaandal said. Dimaandal said he found no foul play on the girl’s death. “Hindi siya pilit (There was no force involved). There’s only a single and consistent ligature mark. There’s no sign of struggle or whatsoever,” Dimaandal said. But the mayor is convinced the girl might be raped, though he did not directly pinpoint Mariannet’s father, Isabelito as the prime suspect. “I didn’t say it’s the father who did it but it’s the responsibility of the father kung bakit napabayaan niyang mangyari yun sa kanyang anak (Why he allowed it to happen to his child),” Duterte said. He cited the time difference from the girl’s alleged suicide to the moment the father reported the inwas four days later. Also, instead of reporting to the police, the parents talked to her teacher, which he said was unusual. Duterte also noted the INITIAL REFUSAL OF THE FATHER to submit Mariannet for autopsy to dispel any suspicions of foul play. Meanwhile, Supt. Matthew Baccay, chief of the Talomo Police Precinct, said they already began the investigation last Monday which they will have to change with the autopsy report. “Gagamitin natin yung (Let’s use the) result ng autopsy as lead to our investigation,” Baccay said, “and probably there is an angle of a statutory rape here.” Department of Education (DedEd) spokesperson Jenielito Atenillo claimed that their own investigation found Mariannet to be despondent prior to her death. He said Mariannet’s classmates told them that she suddenly cried without apparent reason and sometimes hid in the comfort room so no one will notice her tears. Duterte took jabs at national government officials and even the media for “romanticizing” the story of Mariannet and making her the poster child of poverty without waiting for the results of the investigation. “The national government should avoid the blame game and not to open their mouths without the facts,” he said.

Because of the apparent logically controversial nature of the issue, I was so hooked up in the story that had eventually led me to comment in one of the most popular weblog in the Philippines about the issue on Mariannet in which the title of the blog article was “Suicide, Media and Mariannet Amper” and at this point I would like to share with you what happened;

Comment by quiel2007-11-12 15:58:29Who cares about catholic priest’s attitude towards blessing cadavers of suicide victims? It will not do any good for the poor girl anyways because that cultic practice is not biblical anyways. The catholic church has been around for almost 400 years in the philippines and majority of filipinos are catholics yet our government is heavily infested with graft and corruption. Cory Aquino and Imelda Marcos are catholics yet they have not forgiven each other up until now. The catholic faith is full of hypocricy and deceit, from being idol worshippers to infant baptizers which are very much AGAINST the Bible. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BEEN VERY INEFFECTIVE IN PRESERVING HIGH MORAL STANDARDS IN THE PHILIPPINES. I am very sorry but that is the truth.

Comment by quiel2007-11-12 16:36:44I cant help but to remember a certain catholic fanatic desperately defending her faith. You can read the details of her desperate amoks at;click herePLEASE CHECK HER OUT

Comment by Noemi2007-11-12 16:57:22@benj- If presented with a choice, then it’s an informed decision. I believe Mariannet thought this was her only way out. She didn’t think she had a choice. She had no support or intervention. See, these people who feel depressed, hopeless are really asking for help. Young kids are vulnerable and need to be guided. Now if they are adults and have gone through the intervention, meds, and other choices in life, they should know better. Until then, I believe in suicide intervention and prevention. Suicide is a preventable public health problem.@Quiel- I believe that a few Catholic priests are more progressive now. Except that priest in Davao.

Comment by quiel2007-11-12 17:09:23Hi Miss Noemi and I wish you good health,First of all, I really like your blog because of it’s very interesting format and I would like to commend you for that.You said and i quote(capitalizations mine);“@Quiel- I believe that a few Catholic priests are MORE PROGRESSIVE now. Except that priest in Davao.”MAYBE YOU COULD ELABORATE MORE ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOUR STATEMENT “a few Catholic priests are MORE PROGRESSIVE now”. PROGRESSIVE IN WHAT CONTEXT AND WHY USE THE WORD “FEW” WHEN YOU COULD USE THE WORD “MANY”?

Comment by Noemi2007-11-12 17:13:25@Quiel - I said few because I only 3 priests so far. THe first is my parish street in my old residence. Second, see comment no 21 where Julie heard the sermon of Fr. Jboy in UP Chapel and third, in comment no 22, I quoted Lingayen-Dagupan City Archbishop Oscar Cruz, where he said that there has already been a change in the church discipline on suicide victims due to the advancement of behavioral sciences.

Comment by quiel2007-11-12 21:35:38I hope you don’t mind Miss Noemi but I would like to share a little tought to you and all the readers of your interesting blog what my views are regarding this issue about children committing suicide.

According to you and I quote (capitalization mine), “I quoted Lingayen-Dagupan City Archbishop Oscar Cruz, where he said that there has already been a change in the CHURCH DISCIPLINE on suicide victims due to the ADVANCEMENT OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES.” The derivative question is CAN THIS (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE AND ADVANCEMENT OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES REALLY IS THE BIBLICAL SOLUTION TO ALL THIS PROBLEM ABOUT JUVENILE SUICIDES? WHAT DOES THE GOD OF THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY REGARDING THIS MATTER?

Catholics accept the bible as a fundamental reference regarding matters of faith right? As a matter of fact there is a section in a catholic mass about Bible reading so I will safely assume that it is just absolutely proper for us to consult the Bible. I don’t see any problem if we consult the word of God.

Let us ask an analytical question,

IN THE BIBLE, WHAT SHALL WE REALLY DO TO DETER IF NOT TOTALLY ELIMINATE JUVENILE SUICIDES? IS IT REALLY (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISPLINE OR ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM AS WHAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS BELIEVE ACCORDING TO THE STATEMENT OF LINGAYEN-DAGUPAN CITY ARCHBISHOP OSCAR CRUZ ?

Let us now read the Bible,

In the book of Proverbs chapter 22 verse 6 it reads;

“Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

THE BIBLE IS THEN CLEAR THAT A CHILD MUST BE TRAINED IN THE WAY HE SHOULD GO RIGHT?

Let us ask the Bible another question,

WHAT SHALL WE TRAIN A CHILD WITH? ARE WE GOING TO USE ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES AS YOU ARE SAYING OR THOSE (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE MAYBE?

Let us now read the Bible,

In the book of Ephesians chapter 6 verse 4 we can read;

“And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but BRING THEM UP IN THE NURTURE AND ADMONITION OF THE LORD.”

OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL NOT USE ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES NOR (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE ACCORDING TO THE VERSE THAT WE HAVE JUST READ, WHAT PARENTS MUST DO IS TO BRING THEIR CHILD UP IN THE NURTURE AND ADMONITION OF THE LORD ACCORDING TO THE VERSE.

Let us now ask another logically valid question,

WHERE CAN WE FIND THIS NURTURE AND ADMONITION OF THE LORD THAT PARENTS OR ANY RESPONSIBLE GUARDIAN MUST USE IN PROPERLY BRINGING UP A CHILD IN THE RIGHT WAY OR PATH WHERE HE MUST GO?

Let us again consult the Bible,

In the book of II Timothy chapter 3 verse 16 we can read this;

“All SCRIPTURE [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness:”

SO THE BIBLE HAVE ANSWERED OUR QUESTION, WE MUST INSTRUCT AND TRAIN UP A CHILD NOT USING (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE NOR ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES BUT BY INTRUCTING THEM USING THE SCRIPTURES ACCORDING TO THE VERSE. WHY THEN WILL WE RESORT TO (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE AND ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES IF GOD CLEARLY TELLS US WHAT WE MUST DO? IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT LINGAYEN-DAGUPAN CITY ARCHBISHOP OSCAR CRUZ IS GROSSLY MISLED.

If we will then use the Holy Scripture in instructing or training up a child in the way he should go instead of (catholic)church discipline and advancements in behavioral sciences according to the biblically unsound statement of Lingayen-Dagupan City Archbishop Oscar Cruz, CAN THE HOLY SCRIPTURE BE SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH OR COMPLETE TO RIGHTFULLY INSTRUCT A CHILD? ARE (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE AND ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES NEEDED TO SUPPLEMENT AND COMPLETE WHAT THE HOLY SCRIPTURE HAS TO OFFER?

At this point let us now directly consult the REAL GOD OF THE BIBLE on what does he have to say regarding his scriptures,

In the book of Isaiah chapter 34 verse 16, God himself solidly declares this pronouncement and we read;

“Seek ye out of the BOOK OF THE LORD, and read: NO ONE OF THESE SHALL FAIL, NONE SHALL WANT HER MATE: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.”

DO WE STILL NEED (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE AND ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES? GOD SOLIDLY DECLARES IN THIS BIBLE VERSE THAT HIS BOOK CAN STAND ALONE AND WE DO NOT NEED (CATHOLIC)CHURCH DISCIPLINE AND ADVANCEMENTS IN BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES ANYMORE!

I have been with this issue about juvenile suicides and I personally don’t like how Philippine media put the blame SOLELY on the government. WHAT THEY DON’T SEE IS THE BIGGER PROBLEM UNDERLYING ITS CAUSE. Its not poverty nor the government as they are only incidental to the REAL AND FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM which is THE MORAL BANKRUPTCY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE CAUSED BY INEFFECTIVE AND FALSE RELIGIONS DOMINATING THIS COUNTRY. MAYBE ITS TIME FOR US TO DEEPLY ANALYZE AND EVALUATE WHAT KIND OF MORAL STANDARDS DO WE HAVE.Thank you very much Miss Noemi and I wish you good health and more success. Godbless….

Comment by benj2007-11-12 23:11:00I totally forgot to further nuance my analysis. hehe. Yup, you’re right about that, it’s fair enough to assume that the young lady was unable to process the information well.

Comment by quiel2007-11-13 14:39:21hey benj, I was not expecting that an atheist like you would also believe in the Bible. I find it very paradoxical is it not benj?

Comment by Noemi2007-11-13 19:15:03@Quiel- thanks for your views. A big event like this always open doors to study existing government programs. I hope her death wasn’t in vain.

Comment by quiel2007-11-14 11:25:07Hi Miss Noemi and I wish you good health,I still strongly believe that what happened to the poor child is not a GENERALLY EPHEMERAL issue because IT ENCOMPASSES ALSO A VERY VALID PREMISE ON OUR MORAL AND RELIGIOUS STANDARDS. It is true that the government is somehow INDIRECTLY accountable for such unfortunate event BUT WHAT WE DON’T SEE IS THE BIGGER AND DEEPER PROBLEM which is THE MORAL ACCOUNTABILITY OF RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN RIGHTFULLY PREACHING THE MORAL VALUE ABOUT CHARITY AND LOVE OF FELLOWMEN. Our government is run by human persons or individuals because IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR GOVERNMENT TO FUNCTION WITHOUT THEM. I am absolutely certain that ALMOST ALL of those human persons or individuals running our government HAS SOME SORT OF RELIGION, they could be CATHOLICS or IGLESIA NI CRISTONG TAO NI MANALO, etc.

In the Bible, we can SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY a distinguishing character of THE TRUE BIBLICAL RELIGION and at this point I just want to share a Bible verse;

In the book of James chapter 1 verse 27 it reads,

“PURE RELIGION and undefiled before God and the Father IS THIS, To VISIT THE FATHERLESS AND WIDOWS IN THEIR AFFLICTION, [and] TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD.”

IT IS THEREFORE CLEAR FROM THE VERSE THAT THE BIBLE REALLY TEACHES A PURE RELIGION OR TRUE BIBLICAL RELIGION UNDEFILED BEFORE GOD AND THE FATHER. IF IT IS PURE AND UNDEFILED BEFORE GOD AND THE FATHER, THEN, IT MUST REALLY BE THE TRUE RELIGION WHICH IS OF GOD!

Let us now then ask an analytically crucial question,

ACCORDING TO THE VERSE, WHAT ARE THE DISTINGUISHING QUALITIES OF THIS TRUE AND PURE RELIGION?

Let us again read the verse for us to answer the question,

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To VISIT THE FATHERLESS AND WIDOWS IN THEIR AFFLICTION, [and] TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD.”

Let us now list down those DISTINGUISHING QUALITIES supplied by the bible verse;

1. VISIT THE FATHERLESS AND WIDOWS IN THEIR AFFLICTION

2. TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD

The bible therefore supplied two distinguishing qualities of a true and pure religion which is CHARITY and CHASTITY and at this point I want to concentrate the discussion to this biblical doctrine called CHARITY.

I know of MANY wealthy catholics in this country. Many of whom can never deplete all their wealth in their entire lifetime, THEY ARE REALLY VERY WEALTHY ACTUALLY. One example is Mr. Augusto Zobel de Ayala, owner of a very influential business conglomerate and one of the wealthiest in the country. Another is Sen. Manny Villar, owner of the Villar group of companies and I could go on and on for me to just enumerate them which means that THERE ARE REALLY PLENTY OF EXTREMELY WEALTHY CATHOLICS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Let us now ask a logically valid question,

IN THE BIBLE, WHAT IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRUE BIBLICAL RELIGION FOR ITS WEALTHY MEMBERS? IS THERE ANY?

Let us now get the answer from the Bible,

In the book of 1 Timothy chapter 6 verses 17 to 19 we can read this,

“CHARGE THEM THAT ARE RICH IN THIS WORLD, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all thingsto enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, READY TO DISTRIBUTE, WILLING TO COMMUNICATE; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.”

In the King James Version of the Bible 1611 English Edition the word “communicate” is used in verse 18 but if we will look up the original greek word used in the original greek manuscripts we will find the greek word “koinwnikous” or if we will formally translate it to its closest english word translation we will come up with the word “CONTRIBUTORS” or “CONTRIBUTE”.

ACCORDING TO THE VERSES THAT WE HAVE JUST READ, THE RICH IN THIS WORLD ARE CHARGED BY THE BIBLE TO BE READY TO DISTRIBUTE AND TO BE WILLING TO COMMUNICATE OR CONTRIBUTE. Obviously, THIS BIBLICAL DOCTRINE IS NOT WELL THOUGHT BY CATHOLIC CHURCH LEADERS AND ALL RELIGIOUS LEADERS PRETENDING TO BE AUTHENTICALLY CHOSEN BY GOD TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD! Had this doctrine only be thought by religious leaders very effectively, THE CHANCES OF A CHILD COMMITING SUICIDE BECAUSE OF EXTREME POVERTY WILL BE GREATLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY AVOIDED IF NOT TOTALLY ELIMINATED AT ALL.THIS ISSUE IS BASICALLY A MORAL ISSUE. IT IS ALL ABOUT MORAL STANDARDS AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS A MAJOR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION IN THIS COUNTRY. THE POOR GIRL IS A CATHOLIC AND SO ARE HER PARENTS. HAD THEIR RELIGIOUS LEADERS BEEN EFFECTIVE IN TEACHING TRUE BIBLE DOCTRINE THE POOR GIRL MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE NOW. POOR GIRL SHE HAS A VERY INEFFECTIVE RELIGION…..

I am very sorry Miss Noemi if my statements are a bit strong and hurting but I have no intention of hurting anybody. SOMETIMES WE MUST BRAVELY FACE THE HONEST TRUTH EVEN HOW IT HURTS FOR US TO EFFECTIVELY MOVE ON AND GROW AS A WHOLE PERSON. THE TRUTH MAY HURT BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE…….May you have a good day Miss Noemi and I wish you more successes and good health.

Comment by regor2007-11-14 15:47:50I like you blog, although I guess it is in danger of being hijacked by bible quoting bible as the be all and end all of everything type of argumentation. Keep it up though and may you be blessed always

Comment by quiel2007-11-14 17:59:16A certain idiot said this blog is in danger of being hijacked by bible quoting bible as the be all and end all of everything type of argumentation. Apparently this idiot was refering to me because as far as I know I am the only commentator in this blog article to quote the Bible. I dont know if this unfortunate creature HATES the bible or what. This idiot refers to quoting the Bible as hijacking! I cant believe these kinds of lowlife exist.

Comment by Noemi2007-11-15 15:13:57@quiel- oops I thought it was a double post. Good for you that you know the bible passages. I really need to brush up on it.@regor- it’s good to have a variety of readers. As commenters in my blog, we agree to disagree.

Comment by regor2007-11-15 17:15:15I understand the agreeing to disagree part but the assumption that the only truth is the truth in the Bible or stated another way, that salvation can only be through Christ, that is another matter though and that is what, essentially, the bible quoter is doing. What I said was merely an observation or argument against what she is doing and she calls me an idiot? That reflects very well on her beloved religion. May your God bless you with more understanding and the grace of uncertainty regarding matters of faith so that you will understand more the human condition than the certainly you feel about your untested faith.

Comment by quiel2007-11-15 19:34:14Like what I said, this idiot commentator accuses the commentator who quotes the Bible as ASSUMING that the only truth is the truth in the Bible or stated another way, that salvation can only be through Christ, that is another matter though and that is what, essentially, the bible quoter is doing. NEVER IN ANY AND ALL MY COMMENTS HERE THAT I ASSUMED SUCH AS HE IS ACCUSING ME OF! If it just so happen that I made Bible quotations here, IT IS IN SUPPORT OF MY ARGUMENT THAT THE ISSUE ABOUT JUVENILE SUICIDE, WHICH IS THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE, CAN BE VERY MUCH LINKED TO THE INNEFECTIVENESS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN PRESERVING HIGH STANDARDS OF MORALITY HERE IN OUR COUNTRY THEN OUT FROM WHEREVER HERE COMES THIS DESPERATE IDIOT ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING I DID NOT EVEN CLAIM NOR INSINUATED WHATSOEVER! MAYBE ITS HIS RELIGION THAT REFLECT WHO HE IS BECAUSE HE IS A BIG FALSE ACCUSER AND A VERY BIG DESPERATE LIAR!!!Miss Noemi, I am very sorry if my statements are too strong and frank. I just cant take this desperate commentator FALSELY and MALICIOUSLY accusing another commentator. Im very sorry Miss Noemi….

Comment by quiel2007-11-16 12:39:08Hi Miss Noemi!I would just like to share with you and all the intelligent readers of your very informative blog a certain Bible passage and please let us read.

In the book of Proverbs chapter 6 verses 16 to 19 we can read this;

“These six [things] doth the Lord HATE: yea, seven [are] an ABOMINATION UNTOHIM: A proud look, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood,An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A FALSE WITNESS [that] SPEAKETH LIES, and he that soweth discord among brethren.”

ACCORDING TO THE VERSE THAT WE HAVE JUST READ MISS NOEMI, GOD HATES LIARS AND FALSE ACCUSERS and I cant help but to think of a certain desperate commentator of yours who is a VERY BIG DESPERATE LIAR and also A VERY BIG FALSE ACCUSER. I pity these kinds of people because biblically speaking, GOD HATES THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIARS AND FALSE ACCUSERS. NO WONDER THIS COMMENTATOR OF YOURS COMMENTED AND I QUOTE HIS STATEMENT, “I guess it is in danger of being HIJACKED by bible quoting bible AS THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF EVERYTHING TYPE OF ARGUMENTATION”. OBVIOUSLY, THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY MUCH TO BE CATEGORICALLY CLASSIFIED AS ENEMIES OF GOD’S WORD OR THE BIBLE AND THESE PEOPLE REALLY ARE NOT AFRAID OF LYING ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB!! NO WONDER THE GOD OF THE BIBLE HATES THESE KINDS OF VERY UNFORTUNATE CREATURES.

Comment by quiel2007-11-16 14:33:17To further prove that this desperate commentator is really A BIG DESPERATE LIAR, he said and I quote him, “…..but the ASSUMPTION that THE ONLY TRUTH IS THE TRUTH IN THE BIBLE or stated another way, THAT SALVATION CAN ONLY BE THROUGH CHRIST, that is another matter though and THAT IS WHAT, ESSENTIALLY, THE BIBLE QUOTER IS DOING….”WHERE IN EVERY CORNERS OF HELL DID HE READ IN ANY AND ALL COMMENTS OF THAT BIBLE QUOTER THAT THE BIBLE QUOTER HAS IN ANY WAY ASSUMED THAT THE ONLY TRUTH IS THE TRUTH IN THE BIBLE AND THAT SALVATION CAN ONLY BE THROUGH CHRIST? WHERE IN HELL DOES THAT COME FROM?The bible quoter that he is refering to DID NOT EVEN MENTIONED the word “CHRIST” in ANY AND ALL of his comments! Can you now blame me why I called this commenter IDIOT when the honest fact is HE IS NOT ONLY AN IDIOT but a very big desperate LIAR!!

Comment by Xian2007-11-27 12:45:47To Regor:I strongly disagree to your false accusations against Quiel, one of the commentors in here. I know why you´re reacting that way for I believe that it´s just your very nature drives you to say that acertain Bible quoter is a “hijacker.” You are an authentic-liar-of-a-kin, dont you know that? I say that because your very nature Regor is the very authenticated-true-copy of the nature of your “father” (John 8:44)______________“44YE ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a LIE, he speaketh of his own: for he is a LIAR, and the FATHER OF IT.” (KJV)You are really a copy-cat of your father. Have you not learn a little respect of yourself and to the Holy Scriptures which we highly regard as the Holy Words of God even the God of Israel? Do your religion have not teach you a little faith on God´s words written in the Bible. I presume you weren´t because of your idiotic devilish attitude and unbecoming towards the Bible verses that Quiel has quoted on his comments above. Huh. I pity you regor! I really pity you for you´re such an ignoramus and heretics on God´s words.Remeber this very principle in thsese very verses: (Matthew 7:16-17)________________“16YESHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a CORRUPT TREE bringeth forth EVIL FRUIT.” (KJV)You are what your religion is. When your a liar, your religion is like what you are. When you hate the verses of the Bible, truly that your religion hates them too for your person manifested what your religion is, a Bible-hater and a God-hater too (Romans 1:29-31)___________________“29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,30Backbiters, HATERS OF GOD, despiteful, proud, boasters, INVENTORS OF EVIL THINGS, disobedient to parents,31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:” (KJV)for you are not of God (John 8:47)___________________“47He that is of God heareth God’s words: YE THEREFORE HEAR THEM NOT, because YE ARE NOT OF GOD.” (KJV)Now that in the same way with Quiel, I am quoting verses of the Bible will be calling me a hijacker too? Oh com’ on, go ahead!xian

Obviously the poor girl was rejected by his father by denying her justice due her by initially REFUSING to submit Mariannet for autopsy to dispel any suspicions of foul play and according to police reports made after due investigations by police authorities, “confirmed that there were lacerations on her genitals that were probably healing for “more than weeks.” “If we based the laceration’s position sa isang relo (on a watch), it’s a three-o-clock to nine-o-clock position,” Dimaandal said. Dimaandal said he found no foul play on the girl’s death. “Hindi siya pilit (There was no force involved). There’s only a single and consistent ligature mark. There’s no sign of struggle or whatsoever,” Dimaandal said. But the mayor is convinced the girl might be raped, though he did not directly pinpoint Mariannet’s father, Isabelito as the prime suspect. “I didn’t say it’s the father who did it but it’s the responsibility of the father kung bakit napabayaan niyang mangyari yun sa kanyang anak (Why he allowed it to happen to his child),” Duterte said. He cited the time difference from the girl’s alleged suicide to the moment the father reported the inwas(incident) four days later”. WHY WOULD A FATHER NOT BE CONCERNED WITH HIS OWN DAUGHTER’S JUSTICE BY REFUSING TO ALLOW POLICE AUTHORITIES TO CONDUCT AN AUTOPSY WITH THE POOR GIRL’S CADAVER? WHAT IS HE TRYING TO CONCEAL? WHY DID IT TOOK FOUR COLD DAYS BEFORE THEY FINALLY REPORTED THAT THEIR DAUGHTER KILLED HERSELF WHEN SHE WAS SEEN HANGING FROM THEIR OWN HOUSE FOUR DAYS EARLIER? IT IS VERY CLEAR BASED ON THE AUTOPSY OF THE YOUNG GIRL’S CADAVER THAT IT WAS INDEED A CASE OF STATUTORY RAPE AND IT IS VERY OBVIOUS FROM THE REACTIONS OF THE GIRL’S FATHER THAT HE REALLY TRIED EVERYTHING TO CONCEAL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO HIS DAUGHTER. A “NORMAL” FATHER WOULD DO EVERTHING TO BRING JUSTICE TO THE CAUSE OF HIS CHILDREN BUT MARIANNET’S FATHER IS WILDLY DIFFERENT, HE DOES NOT WANT TO COOPERATE IN BRINGING JUSTICE TO HIS OWN DAUGHTER’S CAUSE! EVEN AFTER HER DEATH HER FATHER IS STILL REJECTING HER!

But luckily the girl died without inflicting FATAL aftermaths to other people as a result of being rejected by her own father. She just kept the INTENSE PAIN inside until it was TOO UNBEARABLE to contain. SHE HAD CUT HER LIFE SHORT BY HANGING HERSELF INSIDE THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT CAUSING THE DEATH OF INNOCENT VICTIMS AS A RESULT OF HER FATHER’S REJECTION. The reason why I mentioned this is not because I am happy that the young girl died but because I do know some NOTORIOUSLY FAMOUS persons who had caused much HARM to other people of LETHALLY CATASTROPHIC proportions as a result of their father’s rejection. They are ADOLF HITLER and JOHN WAYNE GACY.

When we talk of GENOCIDE, MASS MURDER and NAZISM, nothing and no one can ever rival the breathtaking grandeur of the most NOTORIOUS dictator that ever walked on the face of planet earth…. ADOLF HITLER!

Before he was notoriously famous for his KILLER instinct of gigantic proportions by MURDERING almost 17 million souls he also was once a small boy child. But his childhood was short of practically being called HELL.

The small boy child Adolf Hitler VIOLENTLY BEATEN by his own father few years later

Hitler had a TROUBLED childhood, as his father was VIOLENT to him and VIOLENT towards his mother. Hitler himself said that, as a boy, he was often BEATEN by his father. Years later, he told his secretary: "I then resolved never again to cry when my father whipped me. A few days later I had the opportunity of putting my will to the test. My mother, frightened, took refuge in front of the door. As for me, I counted silently the blows of the stick which lashed my rear end". Some historians believe a history of family violence committed by his father against his mother is indicated in a section of his book Mein Kampf in which Hitler describes in vivid detail an anonymous example of family violence committed by a husband against a wife. This along with beatings by his father against him could explain Hitler's deep emotional attachment to his mother while at the same time having deep resentment towards his father. Hitler later said that his educational slump was a REBELLION against his father, who wanted the boy to follow him in a career as a customs official; he wanted to become a painter instead. This explanation is further supported by Hitler's later description of himself as a MISUNDERSTOOD artist. After Alois died on 3 January 1903, Hitler's schoolwork did not improve. At age 16, Hitler dropped out of high school without a diploma.

Unfortunately, Adolf Hitler was resilient enough to have survived his father’s TORTUROUS physical, psychological and verbal ABUSE on him. In fact, he even managed to become a head of state! He was the ruler of Germany from 1933 to 1945, serving as Chancellor from 1933–1945 and Führer (head of state) from 1934–1945.

Hitler’s administration was one of the most BLOODIEST and DEADLIEST in Germany. He tried anything and everything to be at the highest echelons of political power even at the cost of many innocent peoples lives. He was also a power grabber like Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo having been instrumental in a failed German Coup D'etat. Encouraged by this early support, Hitler decided to use Ludendorff as a front in an attempted coup later known as the Beer Hall Putsch (sometimes as the Hitler Putsch or Munich Putsch). The Nazi Party had copied Italy's fascists in appearance and also had adopted some programmatical points, and in 1923, Hitler wanted to emulate Benito Mussolini's "March on Rome" by staging his own "Campaign in Berlin". Hitler and Ludendorff obtained the clandestine support of Gustav von Kahr, Bavaria's de facto ruler, along with leading figures in the Reichswehr and the police. As political posters show, Ludendorff, Hitler and the heads of the Bavarian police and military planned on forming a new government. On 8 November 1923, Hitler and the SA stormed a public meeting headed by Kahr in the Bürgerbräukeller, a large beer hall in Munich. He declared that he had set up a new government with Ludendorff and demanded, at gunpoint, the support of Kahr and the local military establishment for the destruction of the Berlin government. Kahr withdrew his support and fled to join the opposition to Hitler at the first opportunity. The next day, when Hitler and his followers marched from the beer hall to the Bavarian War Ministry to overthrow the Bavarian government as a start to their "March on Berlin", the police dispersed them. Sixteen NSDAP members were killed. Hitler fled to the home of Ernst Hanfstaengl andcontemplated suicide.

Driven by his thirst for power amidst his frustration to illicitly grab power and having been SUICIDAL for a time, Adolf Hitler managed to pick up the pieces from his FAILURE and go on to become one of the most psychotic tyrant the world has ever known. At the time of Hitler's release from prison, the political situation in Germany had calmed and the economy had improved, which hampered Hitler's opportunities for agitation. Being a shrewd opportunist however, he used people, influential politicians and businessmen in Germany, to gain for himself absolute political power. Having secured supreme political power, Hitler went on to gain public support by convincing most Germans he was their savior from the economic Depression, communism, the "Judeo-Bolsheviks," and the Versailles treaty, along with other "undesirable" minorities. The Nazis eliminated opposition through a process known as Gleichschaltung ("bringing into line"). THIS PROCESS OF ELIMINATION MEANS MURDERING INNOCENT HUMAN LIVES JUST TO ASSURE ABSOLUTE POWER AND FOR THE REALIZATION OF HITLER'S PSYCHOTICALLY TWISTED IDEOLOGIES. One of the foundations of Hitler's social policies was the concept of racial hygiene. It was based on the ideas of Arthur de Gobineau, a French count, eugenics, a pseudo-science that advocated racial purity, and social Darwinism. Applied to human beings, "survival of the fittest" was interpreted as requiring racial purity and killing off"life unworthy of life." Hence, the birth of one of the most DEADLIEST period in human history, THE HOLOCAUST.

Tightly based on Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, natural selection and eugenics, the Holocaust was one of the most FRIGHTENING period in human history as it was a GENOCIDE of approximately six million European Jews during World War II, as part of a program of DELIBERATE EXTERMINATION planned and executed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) regime in Germany led by Adolf Hitler. Other groups were also persecuted and killed, including the Roma; Soviet civilians, Soviet prisoners of war; ethnic Poles; the disabled; homosexual men; and political and religious opponents. Most scholars, however, define the Holocaust as a genocide of European Jewry alone, or what the Nazis called the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." Taking into account all the victims of Nazi persecution, the total number of victims would be between nine and 11 million.

The slaughter was systematically conducted in virtually all areas of Nazi-occupied territory in what are now 35 separate European countries. It was at its worst in Central and Eastern Europe, which had more than seven million Jews in 1939. About five million Jews were killed there, including three million in occupied Poland and over one million in the Soviet Union. Hundreds of thousands also died in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Yugoslavia and Greece. The Wannsee Protocol makes clear that the Nazis also intended to carry out their "final solution of the Jewish question" in England and Ireland. Anyone with three or four Jewish grandparents was to be exterminated without exception. In other genocides, people were able to escape death by converting to another religion or in some other way assimilating. This option was not available to the Jews of occupied Europe. All persons of recent Jewish ancestry were to be exterminated in lands controlled by Germany.

A child dying in the streets of the crowded Warsaw Ghetto, where hunger and disease killed 43,000 in 1941 alone.

The number of victims depends on which definition of "the Holocaust" is used. Donald Niewyk and Francis Nicosia write in The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust that the term is commonly defined as the mass murder, and attempt to wipe out, European Jewry, which would bring the total number of victims to just under six million — around 78 percent of the 7.3 million Jews in occupied Europe at the time. Broader definitions include the 220,000 Roma and Sinti, and the 200,000 disabled and mentally ill who were killed, because these groups were also targeted for eradication. A broader definition still includes political and religious dissenters, two to three million Soviet POWs, and 5,000 to 15,000 gay men, bringing the death toll to nine million. This rises to 11 million if the deaths of 1.8 to 2 million ethnic Poles are included. The broadest definition would include Soviet civilians, raising the death toll to 17 million.

But like the title of one of my favorite song by Ms. Barbra Streisand “Some Good Things Never Last”, Hitler’s insanity was abruptly cut by an EXCRUCIATINGLY PAINFUL DEFEAT. With this very painful defeat Hitler’s SUICIDAL TENDENCY uncontrollably consumed his whole being and a very COWARD LOSER surfaced on him. HE HAD FINALLY AND SUCCESSFULLY MET HIS VERY TRAGIC DEATH. Hitler took up residence in the Führerbunker on 16 January 1945 where he presided over a rapidly disintegrating Third Reich as the Allies advanced from both east and west. By late April Soviet forces had entered Berlin and were battling their way to the centre of the city where the Chancellery was located.

On 22 April Hitler had what some historians later described as a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN during one of his military situation conferences, admitting defeat was imminent and Germany would lose the war. He expressed his intent to KILL HIMSELF and later asked physician Werner Haase to recommend a reliable method of SUICIDE. Haase suggested combining a DOSE OF CYANIDE with a GUNSHOT TO THE HEAD.

Hitler had a supply of cyanide capsules which he had obtained through the SS. Meanwhile, on 28 April Hitler learned of Heinrich Himmler’s attempt to independently negotiate a peace treaty. Hitler considered this treason and began to show signs of PARANOIA, expressing worries the cyanide capsules he had received through Himmler's SS were fake. He also learned of the EXECUTION of his ally Mussolini and vowed not to share a similar fate. To verify the capsules' potency he ordered Dr. Haase to try them on his dog Blondi and the animal died as a result.After midnight on 29 April, Hitler married Eva Braun in a small civil ceremony in a map room within the bunker complex. Antony Beevor states that after hosting a modest wedding breakfast with his new wife Hitler took secretary Traudl Junge to another room and dictated his last will and testament. He signed these documents at 04:00 and then retired to bed (some sources say Hitler dictated the last will and testament immediately before the wedding, but all sources agree on the timing of the signing).

Hitler and Braun lived together as husband and wife in the bunker for less than 40 hours. Late in the morning of 30 April, with the Soviets less than 500 metres from the bunker, Hitler had a meeting with General Helmuth Weidling, commander of the Berlin Defence Area, who informed Hitler the Berlin garrison would probably run out of ammunition that night. Weidling asked Hitler for permission to break out, a request he had made unsuccessfully before. Hitler did not answer at first and Weidling went back to his headquarters in the Bendlerblock where at about 13:00 he got Hitler's permission to try a breakout that night. Hitler, two secretaries and his personal cook then had a light lunch consisting of spaghetti with light sauce, after which Hitler and Eva Braun said their personal farewells to members of the Führerbunker staff and fellow occupants, including the Goebbels family, Bormann, the secretaries and several military officers. At around 14:30 Adolf and Eva Hitler went into Hitler's personal study.

Some witnesses later reported hearing a LOUD GUNSHOT at around 15:30 (the Goebbels' young son is said to have declared, "A bull's-eye!", or "A direct hit!" thinking it was a bomb overhead). After waiting a few minutes, Hitler's valet Heinz Linge, with Bormann at his side, opened the door to the small study. Linge later stated he immediately noted a scent of burnt almonds, a common observation made in the presence of prussic acid, the gaseous form of cyanide. The Hitlers were both sitting on a small sofa, Eva on the left, Adolf to her right. Eva's body slumped away from Adolf's. Hitler appeared to have SHOT HIMSELF in the right temple (there was an exit wound towards the top, left side of his head) with a Walther PPK 7.65 mm pistol which lay at his feet. BLOOD DRIPPING from Adolf's temple and chin had made a large stain on the right arm of the sofa and was pooling on the floor/carpet. Eva had no visible physical wounds and Linge assumed she had POISONED HERSELF.

Hitler made headlines around the world when he finally met his tragic death.

Unlike Hitler’s TERRIBLE KILLER INSTINCT which was a TOLERABLE German government program during that time which means that it was indeed an open and indiscreet public knowledge as it is happening, JOHN WAYNE GACY’S tragic life story was extremely different for he KILLED so many people stealthily as the public embraced him as an admirable public figure.

JOHN WAYNE GACY is one of the most notorious SERIAL KILLER in American history. He was convicted and later EXECUTED for the RAPE and MURDER of 33 boys and young men between 1972 and his arrest in 1978, 27 of whom he buried in a crawl space under the floor of his house, while others were found in nearby rivers. Like Mariannet and Hitler he was also rejected by his own father at a particular point of his vulnerable life. He had a TROUBLED RELATIONSHIP with his father, an ALCOHOLIC who ABUSED him and called him a "sissy”, A REJECTION THAT ULTIMATELY DESTROYED HIS LIFE.

Undeniably, based on the preceding tragic life stories of Mariannet Amper, Adolf Hitler and John Wayne Gacy, these three vulnerable victims had fallen prey to an invariably common denominator, ALL OF THEM WERE REJECTED BY THEIR OWN FATHER AT A PARTICULAR POINT IN THEIR LIFE WITH LETHALLY TRAGIC CONSEQUENCES.

This issue is a very sensitive issue and is about the RELATIONSHIP OF A FATHER TO HIS CHILD. More than the PHYSICAL aspect science really has no concrete explanations regarding these matters on a PHYSICALLY OBSERVABLE scientific perspective. Science can only SPECULATE through physical behaviors and statistical studies the MOST PROBABLE control areas and heuristic applications but can NEVER address specific guidelines on how these tragic consequences can be effectively minimized if not eliminated. THIS ISSUE IS A MORAL ISSUE NOT A SCIENTIFIC ONE AND SCIENCE ALONE CANNOT SOLVE THIS IDENTIFIED PROBLEM AREA! If we will attempt to solve the problem through scientific methods and procedures WE WILL CERTAINLY FAIL and let me justify my statement;

After his execution, Gacy's brain was removed. It is currently in the possession of Dr. Helen Morrison, who interviewed Gacy and other serial killers in an attempt to isolate common personality traits of violent sociopaths; however, an examination of Gacy's brain after his execution by the forensic psychiatrist hired by his lawyers revealed NO ABNORMALITIES. Dr. Helen Morrison further states,

“I believe and continue to believe that what we don’t know about John Gacy is more vast than we will ever imagine in my lifetime or in yours.”

If we will then use science alone to solve the problem WE WILL THEN CERTAINLY FAIL! Science is limited and can never explain everything contrary to what ATHEISTS believe that it can. SCIENCE CANNOT EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO THE UTTER DISMAY OF ALL ATHEISTS WHICH FOR ME ARE PRACTICALLY IDIOTS. It is therefore clear and a PROVEN FACT that scientific knowledge is VERY LIMITED and cannot be relied upon entirely.

But something happened more than 2,000 years ago long before science’s boastful scientific breakthroughs were discovered, long before the field of forensic psychiatry and the table of chemical elements were scientifically formulated and long before human beings have known the science of modern psychiatry. More than 2,000 years ago somebody wrote something and at this point I just want to share to you what it is. Written in an ancient manuscript dated roughly 2,000 years ago in Koine Greek I have read this scriptural text (formally translated from Koine Greek to English);

“Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.”

The scriptural text above clearly is talking about FATHERS NOT PROVOKING THEIR CHILDREN TO ANGER and is talking about bringing them up in the discipline and instruction of a certain “LORD”. Why is this someone who wrote this scriptural text commands fathers to not provoke their children to anger? Is it just coincidence that he has already known the LETHALLY CATASTROPHIC effect of a fathers rejection to his own child? Where does this scriptural text came from?

Actually the scriptural text above came from the Bible which is in fact almost 3,700 years in the making and had only been finished more than 2,000 years ago. This INTRIGUING scriptural text came from a letter of St. Paul to the Ephesians in chapter 6 verse 4 which says;

“Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.”

WHAT INTRIGUES ME THE MOST IS THAT EVEN BEFORE THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF MODERN PSYCHOLOGY WERE FORMULATED BEING A VALID BRANCH OF MODERN SCIENCE AND WAY LONG BEFORE FREUDIAN THEORIES WERE THOUGHT BY MODERN HUMAN BEINGS HERE IS THIS ANCIENT SCRIPTURAL TEXT MORE THAN 2,000 YEARS OLD EFFECTIVELY SUGGESTING A SCIENTIFIC APPROACH IN PREVENTING THOSE LETHALLY CATASTROPHIC RESULT OF A FATHER’S REJECTION OF HIS OWN CHILD.

We must not only look on human brain's chemical imbalances and material interactions alone. WE MUST ALSO LOOK ON WHAT IS NOT PHYSICAL. MAYBE ATHEISTS MUST ALSO LISTEN TO WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY IN THE BIBLE. There is no God anyways according to them. What will they lose if they believe. Maybe if all fathers in this world, including the father of Mariannet Amper, Adolf Hitler and John Wayne Gacy were effectively thought of the Bible by their INCOMPETENT religious leaders then maybe there will be no Mariannet Amper, Adolf Hitler and John Wayne Gacy and there will be no gory bloodsheds and murders.