Just a quick question, but why is the band White Widows blacklisted? Their first release doesn't even drop until the 1st of March. If this is a stylistic issue, I can SOMEWHAT understand it, but your guidelines are not mine and I'm not trying to argue them. I just wanted to make sure this wasn't an older band using the same name that was blacklisted. Thanks.

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There's a band with this name blacklisted because of their lack of metalness and anyway, we don't accept bands with unreleased stuff (clearly said in the rules) and as you said yourself, their first release will drop in March.

I dont really understand why Suri from Indonesia is rejected, their music is very heavy stoner doom metal you should listen to it try this link.http://www.mediafire.com/?brs1s11apgx33wsit's more akin to bands like sleep, church of misery etc rather than stoner rock bands like monster magnet or qosa.

I dont really understand why Suri from Indonesia is rejected, their music is very heavy stoner doom metal you should listen to it try this link.http://www.mediafire.com/?brs1s11apgx33wsit's more akin to bands like sleep, church of misery etc rather than stoner rock bands like monster magnet or qosta.

According to the blacklist, it's Stoner Rock. Are completely positive about the metalness?

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I am guessing I'm defending that they existed or were a legit band? Or that they released material for distribution (those CDs listed). That's the only thing around besides their abandoned myspace page.

I dont really understand why Suri from Indonesia is rejected, their music is very heavy stoner doom metal you should listen to it try this link.http://www.mediafire.com/?brs1s11apgx33wsit's more akin to bands like sleep, church of misery etc rather than stoner rock bands like monster magnet or qosta.

According to the blacklist, it's Stoner Rock. Are completely positive about the metalness?

im completely positive about the metalness the first ep is clearly stoner rock but the band have progressed into more heavier stoner doom. just listen to their split release and latest ep Space Rider.

I feel that the rejection of my band Free Nelson Mandoomjazz is unfair for the following reasons.

You have stated that the band is not metal, however I disagree entirely. The backbone of the band comes entirely from Black Sabbath, Electric Wizard and Sunn 0))), all of which appear on this site. We play doom metal but with a saxophone as the lead instrument instead a guitar. I fail to see how this makes us not metal. If you feel that it makes more sense to classify us as experimental or progressive doom then that is up to you but we are most certainly metal, even if we take in influences from elsewhere.

I believe, as I have previously stated in my initial application, that metal is and always has been about progression and that that is why the genre has endured for so long whilst other trends have fallen away. I do not believe that a band has to play straightforward thrash, black, death or doom metal in order to be classified as metal. Such saturation of sub-genres, where bands are simply ripping off the few big bands which represent that sub-genre, is not how metal progresses. It progresses when somebody takes a chance on moving in a new direction. But just because it is new does not mean it cannot be metal.

For me, I believe that what Free Nelson Mandoomjazz plays is metal first and foremost. Sub-classifying it beyond that is unnecessary and difficult. Evidently we have differing opinions on what is and what is not metal so if you decide to uphold this rejection I will respect that decision although I disagree with it. Thank you for your time and keep representing the underground because someone has to.

I feel that the rejection of my band Free Nelson Mandoomjazz is unfair for the following reasons.

We play doom metal but with a saxophone as the lead instrument instead a guitar. I fail to see how this makes us not metal.

Hahahahahahah! I almost soiled myself from laughing! Guitar is THE instrument which defines Metal through it's riffs and you............! Can't wait for what the mods are gonna say about this!(keels over and laughs some more!

Free Nelson Mandoomjazz, I'd have to agree that your music is not metal. I do like it very much though, especially the black sabbath cover. I downloaded both EPs from your soundcloud and would love to see you live, one day.

@Rob1 - I understand that the guitar is the predominant instrument in most metal but what we do uses the bass to play the heavy riffs while the saxophone wails and solos over the top of it. OM is a good example of a metal band who do not use guitars and our riffs are certainly heavier than most of what they have done.

FNM: This site has a particular definition of what we consider to be "metal", and that's as defined by metallic guitar riffs. Trying to substitute the riffs of an electric guitar with another instrument is a novel undertaking (and is somewhat of a commendable endeavour, in terms of creativity), but I'm afraid it won't do much good here.

Your project is a sort of freeform jazz fusion more than metal, even if it possesses the structure and aesthetics of conventional doom metal. However, that's not how we govern "metalness" on this site, I'm sorry.

No, I didn't blacklist it. When the issue is cleared up I can simply restore the deleted entry.

I can't find proof for the supposed self-release either and there's only mention about it going to be released in October on their FB wall, nothing that it has been released and can be ordered. I also can't find the CD in Ars Funebris' online store.

I'll contact the band about it.

EDIT: Their response:

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Hails!!!

Thanks for your question.

Yeah, it will be released as CD format by Ars Funebris Records in November. We've planned to release in October, but the layout design works delayed.

However South American label Bestial Desecration Records will release it as tape format on next days.

Hi,the following band was deemed too noisey to be Black Metal,but i believe this is not fair.The band is noisey but is fukky Black Metal in the writing and song structures.When Raw bands are alreayd listed on Metallum,i am not understanding of how this band doesnt qualify.for example,bands such as Botulistum & Antikriist are listed on the site,i know that Antikriist is incredible noisey and compared to the songs production of the rejected band they sound inaudable.the production in the rejected band is left natural as possible.please is it possible to look again at this sumission as i believe it has a place on this site.Thanks.

Okay, now... Krieg_apocalypse, let me explain why your band was blacklisted/rejected. Yes, it's noisy, fuzz-riddled raw black metal. But it's actually SO damn raw, the guitar tone is completely inaudible. There's nothing to distinguish that thin, droning trickle of (what I assume was) a guitar from, say, any other instrument. Barring the useless intro and "outro", we have four tracks of music to judge this project on. The first two songs were a mess, and the "riffs" - if there were any, resembled less of a guitar tone and more like a phone recording of somebody playing an accordion on the other end. The second two tracks were more acceptable (obviously because they were of a proper mix), but even those were pretty damn borderline. And weighing in all four tracks, well, sorry, but it leans too strongly in the noise spectrum. Way too strongly.

We can forgive poor recording quality, but come on dude, this is seriously pushing your luck:

Valid Digital Releases?[..]Length of material: The album must be a full-length. There is no hard-defined cut-off, as that would be arbitrary: a good guideline, however, would be roughly 30 minutes of original material. This is to avoid the kind of bands that have a lazy "promo single", or a "3 song EP", of which 2 are covers, for instance. Expect moderator discretion for evaluating this. An EP may be accepted depending on the situation. Two EPs are better than one, for sure.

That demo you speak of is two tracks clocking in at seven minutes. Nowhere near the requirements for digital releases, sorry.

Haven't heard the stuff that got them blacklisted, but this doesn't really sound convincing. Some doom moments, but otherwise the usual beating-around-the-bush doomish post-whatever. First track seems more acceptable than the second, not sure, but leaning no.

Do you think we are dumb? Just one month ago, we told you that the reason the band was blacklisted was because it's not metal enough for the site, and now you're posting the same physical release you did back in January (I actually checked) to get a new answer. Stop this game or you'll be banned.

No bro, the blacklist clearly states that the band was rejected because it was "Bedroom "BM", mostly ambient/acoustic" and I also looked at all the exchanges done in this thread. You're a liar and you're in no position of telling me what do.

Now, this is an OFFICIAL warning, you don't post in this thread anymore unless you have a SOLID evidence that you have a METAL release and I know you don't.