RG2004- he lost to Koubek who then tested positive for steroid use
RG2005- he lost to Puerta...

he feels cheated because there is nothing he can do to protect himself. he doesn't feel that the itf is doing a good job with testing players. here's the whole article in croatian. he's considering a law suit.

- ivan was shocked when he read l'equipe today
- he is worried that there is no way for players to proctect themselves against this. in the olympics, if someone who won a medal is caught for doping, the next player gets their medal, in tournaments a loss is a loss
- he feels like he could have won a couple of rounds in paris this year, he had a good draw except for the first round
- puerta was the fittest player after 18 1/2 hours on court because of what he supposedly took
- ivan doesn't want to judge ahead of time, but if puerta is found guilty, he is thinking about suing the itf.
- "we all try to fight and, after something like this, we feel cheated"
- "with a better result at rg, i could be in the top10 right now"

cecilija

10-05-2005, 08:24 PM

well first of all we do not know yet if puerta cheated even if he tested postivie really
and second of all puerta tested positive in the final
and lbjucic played puerta in first round so i do not know why lbjubicic is pissed with puerta

even i think koubek tested positive against nalbandian not against him

croat123

10-05-2005, 08:26 PM

well first of all we do not know yet if puerta cheated even if he tested postivie really
and second of all puerta tested positive in the final
and lbjucic played puerta in first round so i do not know why lbjubicic is pissed with puerta

even i think koubek tested positive against nalbandian not against him
they don't test players after every match. some players only get test a couple of times a year

adee-gee

10-05-2005, 08:26 PM

thanks croat123

I doubt he'd have much of a case to be honest, I understand why he'd feel hard done by but I can't see them dishing out money to every player Puerta has beaten.

cecilija

10-05-2005, 08:31 PM

koubek did not try to get any adavantege with drugs
so i do not understand ljubicic
u can read koubeks case on atp site

Lee

10-05-2005, 08:35 PM

Ljubicic should keep his mouth closed until there's official statements from ITF and RG.

Yes, he lost to Puerta in first round but it's still 'what if'. He might have a good draw but didn't mean he would pass 2nd round. Moreover, he might still lost to Puerta whether he's doped or not.

Chloe le Bopper

10-05-2005, 08:38 PM

I think this is more than just a little inappropriate of Ljubicic. The reports are not yet official.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 08:38 PM

Ljubicic should keep his mouth closed until there's official statements from ITF and RG.

Yes, he lost to Puerta in first round but it's still 'what if'. He might have a good draw but didn't mean he would pass 2nd round. Moreover, he might still lost to Puerta whether he's doped or not.

i guess we will never know, cuz of a cheater, who knows he might of won, that match and made it to the final. we will never know :)

when Puerta is found guilty, all this winning from RG-present should be donated to charity.

evanzo

10-05-2005, 08:43 PM

Loserbitch needs to STFU, steroids or powerful stimulants are of marginal benefot to tennis players, those that take them are really kidding themselves. Loserbitch would not have won those matches anyway.

Lee

10-05-2005, 08:45 PM

i guess we will never know, cuz of a cheater, who knows he might of won, that match and made it to the final. we will never know :)

when Puerta is found guilty, all this winning from RG-present should be donated to charity.

"When Puerta is found guilty". You already sentenced him when the trial has not yet started.

I personally think it's very likely that Puerta is guilty but I will not judge him NOW and sentenced him. Let's wait and see.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Loserbitch needs to STFU, steroids or powerful stimulants are of marginal benefot to tennis players, those that take them are really kidding themselves. Loserbitch would not have won those matches anyway.

:haha: You have no idea with steroids do, do you? who needs power when you can run around the court for 5hours without a drop of sweat.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 08:46 PM

"When Puerta is found guilty". You already sentenced him when the trial has not yet started.

I personally think it's very likely that Puerta is guilty but I will not judge him NOW and sentenced him. Let's wait and see.

once a cheater , always a cheater :)

alfonsojose

10-05-2005, 08:52 PM

LjubiGod, get laid more frequently :p

Denaon

10-05-2005, 09:06 PM

LjubiGod, get laid more frequently :p
:lol:

Galaxystorm

10-05-2005, 09:07 PM

too lazy lol. here the basic jist:

- ivan was shocked when he read l'equipe today
- he is worried that there is no way for players to proctect themselves against this. in the olympics, if someone who won a medal is caught for doping, the next player gets their medal, in tournaments a loss is a loss
- he feels like he could have won a couple of rounds in paris this year, he had a good draw except for the first round
- puerta was the fittest player after 18 1/2 hours on court because of what he supposedly took
- ivan doesn't want to judge ahead of time, but if puerta is found guilty, he is thinking about suing the itf.
- "we all try to fight and, after something like this, we feel cheated"
- "with a better result at rg, i could be in the top10 right now"

Ljubicic hadn't made a great result in Paris not even being doped ..

star

10-05-2005, 09:10 PM

RG2004- he lost to Koubek who then tested positive for steroid use
RG2005- he lost to Puerta...

he feels cheated because there is nothing he can do to protect himself. he doesn't feel that the itf is doing a good job with testing players. here's the whole article in croatian. he's considering a law suit.

Ljubicic lost in straight sets to Puerta, I guess he thinks the illegal substance that Puerta may have been on would have changed the result. I doubt it.

Horatio Caine

10-05-2005, 09:13 PM

(a) - It is doubtful Ljubo will have a case - "floodgates theory."

(b) - I doubt he would have beaten Puerta, high on stimulants or not.

(c) Top 10 - kiss my ass! I had this argument with pretty much all of Croatia ( :haha: :hugs: ) in March / April - Ljubo is not top 10 material anyway because, on the whole, he is piss poor in the mandatory events.

Case closed - pardon the pun! ;)

PS - Fonzo - :worship: :lol:

Galaxystorm

10-05-2005, 09:14 PM

Ljubicic lost in straight sets to Puerta, I guess he thinks the illegal substance that Puerta may have been on would have changed the result. I doubt it.

If Ljubicic thinks so, maybe he should take drugs and thus without doubt he would win the next French Open :rolleyes:

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:17 PM

(a) - It is doubtful Ljubo will have a case - "floodgates theory."

(b) - I doubt he would have beaten Puerta, high on stimulants or not.

(c) Top 10 - kiss my ass! I had this argument with pretty much all of Croatia ( :haha: :hugs: ) in March / April - Ljubo is not top 10 material anyway because, on the whole, he is piss poor in the mandatory events.

Case closed - pardon the pun! ;)

PS - Fonzo - :worship: :lol:

but he still can beat the living shit out of henman any time of day :bigwave:

Deivid23

10-05-2005, 09:17 PM

First Ljubicic should shut his mouth until all this stuff gets official. Then he was absolutely killed from baseline by Puerta and he hardly could make any point not being a service winner, don´t know how he dares to make such an arrogant statements, it sounds ridiculous to say the least :o

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:17 PM

LjubiGod, get laid more frequently :p

i think thats why he got married :lol:

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:18 PM

First Ljubicic should shut his mouth until all this stuff gets official. Then he was absolutely killed from baseline by Puerta and he hardly could make any point not being a service winner, don´t know how he dares to make such an arrogant statements, it sounds ridiculous to say the least :o

well the cheater killed everyone but Nadal from the baseline.

Horatio Caine

10-05-2005, 09:19 PM

but he still can beat the living shit out of henman any time of day :bigwave:

:( Shall I resurrect the 25 page "Ljubo will finish the year top 10" "Ancic is 2nd best grass court player on tour" Ljubo kicks Henman's ass everytime" saga? :lol:

I think it might be worth it quite frankly...maybe start a new thread! :lol:

Deivid23

10-05-2005, 09:20 PM

well the cheater killed everyone but Nadal from the baseline.

Not in the same way, you obviously didn´t see that match.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:20 PM

:( Shall I resurrect the 25 page "Ljubo will finish the year top 10" "Ancic is 2nd best grass court player on tour" Ljubo kicks Henman's ass everytime" saga? :lol:

I think it might be worth it quite frankly...maybe start a new thread! :lol:

who said Ancic is 2nd best player on grass? :haha: Hey Ljubicic still has shot at Top 10, with 4 indoors left.

Galaxystorm

10-05-2005, 09:23 PM

:( Shall I resurrect the 25 page "Ljubo will finish the year top 10" "Ancic is 2nd best grass court player on tour" Ljubo kicks Henman's ass everytime" saga? :lol:

I think it might be worth it quite frankly...maybe start a new thread! :lol:

Who said Ancic was the second best grass court player surely took the same substance than Ljubicic has taken to make these comments :lol:

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:24 PM

Ill leave this thread on this note:

Its a shame for all we know, Ljubicic could of made it to the final of RG and beaten Nadal for the biggest 1 slam wonder since Andy Roddick. But we will never know, thank you Mariano Puerta you selfish cheating basterd. :bigwave:

alfonsojose

10-05-2005, 09:25 PM

i think thats why he got married :lol:
Well, it seems it isn't enough :devil:

Lee

10-05-2005, 09:26 PM

For those who don't know, JerrySeinfeld was formerly known as RDucky ;)

Horatio Caine

10-05-2005, 09:26 PM

who said Ancic is 2nd best player on grass? :haha: Hey Ljubicic still has shot at Top 10, with 4 indoors left.

1 - Incredibly, a Croat fan did set up a thread titled "Ancic is 2nd best player in the world on grass behind Federer." Albeit, the thread was set up before Wimbledon 2005! I'm going to try find it in the archives - will make for a pleasant resurrection!

2 - He won't finish top 10. He has huge points falling off in Madrid and is unlikely to reach another final this season really. Never count him out, but he hasn't got near a final since March.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:27 PM

For those who don't know, JerrySeinfield was formerly known as RDucky ;)

well no shit, did you click on my profile and seen that it said that?

SwissMister1

10-05-2005, 09:27 PM

Rafa had no problem beating Puerta at RG (although I'm skeptical of a French newspaper report saying Mariano doped when the ATP hasn't contacted him at all), and he also took out Canas at Acapulco (the tournament where he got caught) Next up will be Rafa taking on Barry Bonds in a home run hitting contest, and sprinting with Ben Johnson.

Horatio Caine

10-05-2005, 09:27 PM

For those who don't know, JerrySeinfield was formerly known as RDucky ;)

Ah, that explains a lot then!

Hey RD :bigwave:

You actually contributed to the Ancic thread didn't you? Maybe it was Raver and Croat123. ;)

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:28 PM

1 - Incredibly, a Croat fan did set up a thread titled "Ancic is 2nd best player in the world on grass behind Federer." Albeit, the thread was set up before Wimbledon 2005! I'm going to try find it in the archives - will make for a pleasant resurrection!

.

when you find that thread, you will notice that i was :haha: at those comments.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:28 PM

Ah, that explains a lot then!

Hey RD :bigwave:

You actually contributed to the Ancic thread didn't you? Maybe it was Raver and Croat123. ;)

:kiss: :angel:

tangerine_dream

10-05-2005, 09:31 PM

I'll bet Ivan is juiced up during Davis Cup matches.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:32 PM

I'll bet Ivan is juiced up during Davis Cup matches.

i been wait for a comment from you sweetie :hug: :lol: i bet 2, probly during the 1st round ;)

DhammaTiger

10-05-2005, 09:37 PM

I think it's totally inappropriate of Ljubicic to make a statement,as the one quoted above, just on the basis of an article in L'equipe. What if he was wrongly accused? How would he feel. I think we must give Mariano the benefit of the doubt and not judge him guilty before all the ITF makes an official announcement. Also for those who are claiming that Mariano is guilty, how come he had good results all year, particularly in BA and winning in Casablanca without testing positive.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:38 PM

I think it's totally inappropriate of Ljubicic to make a statement,as the one quoted above, just on the basis of an article in L'equipe. What if he was wrongly accused? How would he feel. I think we must give Mariano the benefit of the doubt and not judge him guilty before all the ITF makes an official announcement. Also for those who are claiming that Mariano is guilty, how come he had good results all year, particularly in BA and winning in Casablanca without testing positive.

Good point........ :rolleyes:

DhammaTiger

10-05-2005, 09:42 PM

I think it's totally inappropriate of Ljubicic to make a statement,as the one quoted above, just on the basis of an article in L'equipe. What if he (ljubicic) was wrongly accused? How would he feel. I think we must give Mariano the benefit of the doubt and not judge him guilty before all the facts are known, and the ITF makes an official announcement. Also for those who are claiming that Mariano is guilty, how come he had good results all year, particularly in BA and winning in Casablanca without testing positive. Where did the sense of fairness that everyone must have their day in court
gone? I for one, will continue in believing in Mariano's innocence until he is found guilty by the appropriate bodies, and will refuse to condemn him on the basis of a news report.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 09:44 PM

thanks for posting that again. with a new ending.

JMG

10-05-2005, 10:59 PM

If Ljubicic doesn't stop talking like that, people will call him a whiner forever. What does he want?

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 11:00 PM

What does he want?

fair play, and no cheating is that 2 much to ask? . did you read the translations?

JMG

10-05-2005, 11:18 PM

fair play, and no cheating is that 2 much to ask? . did you read the translations?

I mean it's just typical that Ljubicic is the first player to complain about it. He could at least wait until it's official.

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 11:32 PM

I mean it's just typical that Ljubicic is the first player to complain about it. He could at least wait until it's official.

doing it today or next few days. who cares.

Caralimon

10-05-2005, 11:36 PM

need a tissue you little bitch?

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 11:39 PM

need a tissue you little bitch?
:haha: stealing my line, thats cheating, but hey look at your flag, what can i expect.

Deivid23

10-05-2005, 11:50 PM

:haha: stealing my line, thats cheating, but hey look at your flag, what can i expect.

I guess this idiot should be banned again :rolleyes:

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 11:51 PM

I guess this idiot should be banned again :rolleyes:

and why is that?

Deivid23

10-05-2005, 11:53 PM

and why is that?

I see you´re too dumb to understand, maybe you should ask some Argentinian posters what´s their opinion about your last post

El Legenda

10-05-2005, 11:55 PM

I see you´re too dumb to understand, maybe you should ask some Argentinian posters what´s their opinion about your last post

Do they need a tissue to? :sad: yes alot of people get banned for pointing out that quite few argentinian players have been suspanded for doping, jackass

s.m.

10-05-2005, 11:58 PM

here is full translation

According to L'Equipe, it looks like I lost for the 2nd time in a row in Roland Garros to player who failed drug test. Last year it was Stefan Koubek, now Mariano Puerta. Text is on the 3rd page by the list of all Argentinians who were positive. Now I am thinking of a way to protect myself, because it´s already the 2nd time that this is happening to me in Paris. When you fail drug test on Olyimpic games, you lose let´s say bronze, which goes to 4th ranked. But on tournaments you don´t have protection. What happens with those who lost to players that have been positive on testing? This year in Paris I could have passed 2 or 3 rounds, draw was solid, if I count out the 1st round. Puerta.... It has to go trough your head, that fact that he spent 18 and a half hours on the court, and it turned out that he is most enduring player with that kind of constitution. I don´t want to make a prejudice, but if all turns out correct, I am thinking about a law suit against ITF. I will consult with my lawyers about that question. We are all trying to fight, and after this happens we feel cheated. With good result at Roland Garros this year, today i could have been in top 10.

Deivid23

10-06-2005, 12:02 AM

Do they need a tissue to? :sad: yes alot of people get banned for pointing out that quite few argentinian players have been suspanded for doping, jackass

As I stated earlier, you´re too dumb to comprehend. It´s like if I say all Bosnian (or whatever your nationality is) are jerks. I know a big jerk (yourself) but it´s a stupid thing to generalize, you got it now? ;)

Jimnik

10-06-2005, 12:08 AM

- puerta was the fittest player after 18 1/2 hours on court because of what he supposedly took

Exactly what I've been thinking. Clearly against Davydenko, in that 5th set, he had a physical advantage even though he played a 5 setter against Canas the previous round.
But I don't think Ljubicic was affected. It was the 1st round and he lost in straight sets - there was nothing too physical about that.

NYCtennisfan

10-06-2005, 12:15 AM

Perhaps Ivan's reputation as a complainer hurts his cuase but anyone would be upset that people they have lost to were doping. Who wouldn't be?

El Legenda

10-06-2005, 02:06 AM

As I stated earlier, you´re too dumb to comprehend. It´s like if I say all Bosnian (or whatever your nationality is) are jerks. I know a big jerk (yourself) but it´s a stupid thing to generalize, you got it now? ;)

Is it really hard for you to understand i was talking about the there players? and yes most Bosnians are jerks and asshole's why do you think they got into a war in 1991.

Pea

10-06-2005, 02:02 PM

Maybe it is official in the lockeroom.;)

Experimentee

10-06-2005, 04:31 PM

He wouldnt have won even if Puerta wasnt doped, and probably wouldnt have won with most other draws. He's not exactly great on clay, and has a bad record in Grand Slams.

El Legenda

10-06-2005, 04:33 PM

He wouldnt have won even if Puerta wasnt doped, and probably wouldnt have won with most other draws. He's not exactly great on clay, and has a bad record in Grand Slams.

we will never know. thanks to Puerta.

mandoura

10-06-2005, 05:18 PM

Is it really hard for you to understand i was talking about the there players? and yes most Bosnians are jerks and asshole's why do you think they got into a war in 1991.

I am afraid Ducky Deivid23 has a very valid point. This is the post he was referring to:

:haha: stealing my line, thats cheating, but hey look at your flag, what can i expect.

By the mention of "cheating" and "flag" you are suggesting that Argentinians are expected cheaters. This is the way it looks from your post.

Maybe you posted quickly or misinterpreted youself but it sure looks like you are generalising. :)

mandoura

10-06-2005, 05:21 PM

we will never know. thanks to Puerta.

Don't you think this is a very naive way of looking at it? :D

El Legenda

12-21-2005, 05:18 PM

:rolleyes:

:wavey:

mandoura

12-21-2005, 05:27 PM

:wavey: :kiss:

sigmagirl91

12-21-2005, 06:24 PM

Oh, Ljubo, please. :rolleyes:

croat123

12-21-2005, 08:13 PM

funny. a williams fan on wtaworld said that venus got robbed against sesil and no one commented on that :o

Deboogle!.

12-21-2005, 08:16 PM

Sure, because MTF should strive to be just like WTA World. :o.

Andres Guazzelli

12-21-2005, 08:26 PM

Ljubo got nothing to complain about.
Puerta's doping was at the Final, not first round.
He didn't failed the earlier rounds tests, so what is he complaining about?

AeG

(Not an obsesive Puerta fan, in fact, Ljubo is one of my Top 5 fav players) ;)

alfonsojose

12-21-2005, 08:27 PM

Shit happens :smash: get over it. It's Christmas and Ivan has to be banging the wife now

Wojtek

12-21-2005, 10:31 PM

Ljubo got nothing to complain about.
Puerta's doping was at the Final, not first round.
He didn't failed the earlier rounds tests, so what is he complaining about?

AeG

(Not an obsesive Puerta fan, in fact, Ljubo is one of my Top 5 fav players) ;)

omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just because he didn't tested positive in the first few matches he was clean. Do you think that if you take some drugs before match you will fly on the court. Maybe Ljubicic wouldn't beat him but for Ljubicic, espacially Davydenko it's really unfair. :sad: :o and other who lost to him at RG and after RG.

hablovah19

12-21-2005, 10:51 PM

funny. a williams fan on wtaworld said that venus got robbed against sesil and no one commented on that :o
so true. :lol:

actually more than one poster said that on wtaworld ;)

jrm

12-21-2005, 11:20 PM

I understand him (altough losing to Koubek ... with or without doping is still :scared: )

nkhera1

12-22-2005, 12:10 AM

So does Ljubicic want the whole draw to be replayed or something? I see his point but what can be done about it to validate suing Puerta. So should every player that lost in RG say that the reason they lost was due to the stress of having to potentially play Puerta in the next round but since he cheated they should now replay their matches? I don't see anyone else complaining who lost to Puerta.

heya

12-22-2005, 12:35 AM

With or without dope, he still lost fast in Houston.

Ryan

12-22-2005, 09:48 PM

Sure, because MTF should strive to be just like WTA World. :o.

I think so anyway.:p

I can see where Ljubicic is coming from, but c'est la vie. He wouldn't win a case against the ITF without a much better reason. :tape:

kali_puerta_fan

12-22-2005, 10:39 PM

Oh, **** Ivan! He should shut up and worry about his miserable life only...

El Legenda

12-22-2005, 10:45 PM

Oh, **** Ivan! He should shut up and worry about his miserable life only...

i think he has a pretty good life, he's not cheating to be better, cant be that bad of life :wavey:

HappyAndie

12-22-2005, 11:46 PM

This whole thing makes me want to go back to the ignorant pronunciation I had when I first starting following tennis: "loojabitch"

Deboogle!.

12-23-2005, 12:20 AM

I don't see anyone else complaining who lost to Puerta.Because they have tact and realize it'd be pointless? :shrug:

El Legenda

12-23-2005, 06:29 AM

This whole thing makes me want to go back to the ignorant pronunciation I had when I first starting following tennis: "loojabitch"

hahaha, you got anything better Happy:retard:

El Legenda

12-23-2005, 06:29 AM

Because they have tact and realize it'd be pointless? :shrug:

Hey look its the tennis Nazi :retard:

Federerthebest

12-23-2005, 07:06 AM

He should shut up and worry about his miserable life only...

His life is not as miserable as Puerta's is now, is it? :lol:

DrJules

12-23-2005, 08:27 AM

Hey look its the tennis Nazi :retard:

:devil: Unacceptable

kali_puerta_fan

12-23-2005, 09:02 AM

Ivan might have a great career...but let's face it: His serve is better than his brains & diplomacy...He is just acting like a child, when trying 2 find someone 2 blame 4 his problems only...
Puerta is 10000000000000 times the sportsman and the fighter that Ivan is and will be... So...Vamos, Puerta! Shut up, Ivan!

Carlita

12-23-2005, 09:41 AM

His life is not as miserable as Puerta's is now, is it? :lol:Glad you find it amusing :rolleyes:

DrJules

12-23-2005, 11:43 AM

Puerta is 10000000000000 times the sportsman and the fighter that Ivan is and will be... So...Vamos, Puerta! Shut up, Ivan!

An unfair comment in light of the current situation. People make mistakes with what they say and what they drink.

its.like.that

12-23-2005, 11:50 AM

RG2004- he lost to Koubek who then tested positive for steroid use
RG2005- he lost to Puerta...

he feels cheated because there is nothing he can do to protect himself. he doesn't feel that the itf is doing a good job with testing players. here's the whole article in croatian. he's considering a law suit.

Yer, considering Ivan's performances in Slams, let alone his performances on clay, I'd say that the ATP should countersue him for being weak and flat footed.

:p

Federerthebest

12-23-2005, 12:23 PM

Puerta is 10000000000000 times the sportsman and the fighter that Ivan is and will be.

Of course, that is why Puerta is serving an 8-year-ban for doping and will live in ignominy for the rest of his life, whilst Ljubicic is a national hero and so respected by his fellow players that he is president of the players' council. :lol:

nkhera1

12-23-2005, 05:18 PM

Hey look its the tennis Nazi :retard:

How do you think of these great comebacks?

El Legenda

12-23-2005, 06:06 PM

Puerta is 10000000000000 times the sportsman and the fighter that Ivan is and will be... So...Vamos, Puerta! Shut up, Ivan!

:haha: :haha: :retard:

sigmagirl91

12-23-2005, 06:08 PM

I sincerely hope Ivan doesn't go through with this.

El Legenda

12-23-2005, 06:24 PM

I sincerely hope Ivan doesn't go through with this.

He won't, he does not care about it anymore, he's happy that the cheater is canned for 8 years :yeah: