Game 40: Another New Player

The Yankees had a new (new-ish, anyway) left fielder last night, now they have a new third baseman. The team has called up David Adams, as expected, and he is in the starting lineup at third base. Rumor has it he will get an opportunity to play the hot corner on an everyday basis — everyday for the injury-prone Adams is four or five times a week — while Kevin Youkilis is out, which means another two or three weeks. Maybe longer. Youkilis hasn’t done much rehab work in Tampa yet. Here’s the lineup the Yankees are throwing at right-hander Hisashi Iwakuma…

This lineup is looking so much better with Grandy Man back. When can I commence rosterbation? When Tex comes back? Jeter?

lightSABR

And not just because the Grandyman’s back. Look, Ma, no Jayson Nix!

jim p

If (the declining) Tex had Overbay’s numbers at this point in the season, would I be the only one relatively pleased?

Havok9120

Probably.

http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Yep.

vicki

a sub-.300 obp wouldn’t alarm you? even his famous slow-start aprils and mays he gets on at .342 and .371 respectively.

JobaWockeeZ

No. Not saying that I would be pleased but obviously someone would be happy.

Havok9120

The Red Sox?

mac

I’m not sure I’d be happy, but I think about it alot. For me, Overbay has been money, if Teix did the same thing would I be griping? Probably.

I will say Overbay against righty’s 303/354/596 – that’s amazing – he’s been a Godsend.

Gomez Adams

My boy pugsley will get a big hit tonight.

Gonzo

Please let this be David Adams’ nickname moving forward.

Havok9120

Only if he earns it.

Havok9120

If Adams lives up to his billing this could actually begin resembling a lineup the Yanks would normally be happy with.

Extend the streak for Prussia!

vicki

do it.

Wheels

Kay, Leiter, and Cone

Eddard

Grandy’s going to be just fine in LF. He looks like a natural. The whole “He can’t play a new position on the fly” business was nonsense. If Ibanez and Jones can half ass LF so can Grandy.

Troll

Is Adams supposed to be better than Corban Joseph? Joseph is at least a little younger than Adams . . .

JobaWockeeZ

A couple years ago, yeah. Now the difference is nominal.

vicki

we don’t need a 2B.

Havok9120

Well….that’s no good.

Mykey

Interesting move Gonzalez.

Anthony

Tough break. Lets get the DP, please.

Anderson Silva

what a shitty throw by Gonzalez..

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

ughhhh

Eddard

Nuney would have let that ball go through and the runner would have been gunned out at 3rd if the ball didn’t hit him.

King George

Phil back to his inconsistent ways again…

Anderson Silva

Phil getting hit around by a terrible lineup. Shameful.

Havok9120

A travesty of the highest order. Clearly he’s not a Professional Baseball Player.

Mykey

Sheesh.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Yuck

JobaWockeeZ

Betances could throw throw a more accurate ball.

Troll

Oh damn. I forgot that Hughes was pitching. I also just remembered that I have to go return some video tapes. Adios, suckers.

Karl Krawfid

Him and Nova be gone please.

Eddard

Hughes doesn’t look good. Better get one of the kids warming up.

Jacob the OG

+1 for intelligent non trolly eddard

The Real Greg

Absolutely amazing. This guy can never get on a streak of consistency.

Anderson Silva

nothing but that straight as an arrow fastball is working right now..

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Phail

Frank

Hughes is such an enigma. Very frustrating to watch.

Mykey

Atta boy Phil.

Troll

Time for salami.

Troll

It’s too easy to predict when Phail’s on the mound.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Phucking Phailure

Karl Krawfid

Holy shit Hughes.

Mykey

Well, guess I won’t be watching this anymore. Thanks Phil.

King George

Holy shit, Pineda. Please hurry.

JobaWockeeZ

Do you honestly think that a young pitcher, one year without pitching can provide better numbers?

You’re probably right.

SDB

Is Brett Marshall warming up?

(Sigh. I have Hughes in both my fantasy leagues…)

JobaWockeeZ

Obligatory HR couldn’t have come worse.

The Real Greg

I was hoping for that. Don’t need to waste any more time with this game

Havok9120

……..

Troll

He’s right. There are better ways to spend the next 3 hours.

Anderson Silva

game over.. way to lose the game after 0.1 IP

fuck Phil Hughes

Pseudoyanks

Phuk!

Eddard

Get this piece of trash out of there. Why wasn’t one of the kids warming up?

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Even Montero gets a hit.

Marshall please.

I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

I’d be lying if I said I didn’t see that coming. Phil is infuriating.

Havok9120

Holy Crap. That escalated quickly.

fabricio

get marshal up now!!!!!!

Leg-End

Jeeezuz. Hughes really is an enigma.

JobaWockeeZ

This is the true enigma surrounding Phil Hughes.

JobaWockeeZ

And by that I mean the comment below this.

Frank

And people actually want to resign this guy for 10m+ per year.

Q

Many were clamoring for 15 m/year

Cool Lester Smooth

Funny thing is, Hughes is not who he is on his worst days, and he’s not who he is on his best days. Fun fact: You can apply that to literally any player on any team in any sport.

An average to above average 26 year old pitcher is worth a hell of a lot of money on the open market. I’d take him for 5/$60 million without hesitating very much.

dontchaknow

lmao

Bo Knows

Sooooooooo, how’s everyone doing?

Havok9120

This is the only night of the last week I haven’t been drinking copious quantities of liquor.

Apparently a mistake on my part.

Eddard

Ivan Nova just got his rotation spot back. And Phelps will stay in that rotation now.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Nope

Anderson Silva

will never happen

fabricio

screw that give it to warren for the time being and then we bring in the hammer Pineda!!!

Anderson Silva

dude doesnt have a breaking ball or a changeup.. its only a straigh fastball and not even that fast. It’s a miracle that he can pitch effectively.

pop

RAUUUUUUUUUL!

The Real Greg

Now we have to waste bullpen for tomorrow and we don’t have an offday until next week.

What a disgrace. And now my anger for our inability to developing quality starters rises even more.

Pat D

So is everyone on here just going to be a broken record tonight?

Bo Knows

It’s a little funny honestly. I don’t think you should beat a dead horse, but this should have been a concern weeks ago when he was in his hotstreak (I said it then, that he’s only a 4th starter at best when he’s only throwing one pitch). He’s a pitcher that throws 65-70% fastballs and doesn’t while he has good velo, its not enough that he can ignore the other pitches.

CUYanks

Most wins in baseball. It will be ok. This game isn’t even over yet.

Leg-End

2 outs……..2 outs. Pretty sure Cone could have gotten 3.

Pat D

I think I’m going back to sleep. Maybe I’ll wake up and this won’t be happening.

forensic

Wow, Hughes may have found a new low for himself, which is impressive considering some of his prior games and lows (some of which were chronicled here during his last game).

Mykey

Hilarious route by Ichiro there.

dontchaknow

lmaooooooooo !!!! where’s your god now phil phans

JobaWockeeZ

At this point just leave Hughes.

dontchaknow

remember the last year we had burnett, joe left his ass to rot at one point (i want to say against the indians ??) i wanted the same thing to happen to phil today. we have a two game lead in standings, it’s whatever

Bob

Aj was on the pirates last year. I thik your talking about the game in 2011 against the indians

Bob

sorry i mean twins

Jorge Brosada

Just tuned in and I see Hughes getting rocked.

Fucking Lord Voldemort…

Eddard

Boo him off the field. Hopefully they’ll boo him out of NY and they’ll trade him to the NL.

Pat D

Dumb.

Sal’s HandleBar

why? Can’t handle the truth? Or are you in favor of giving 4 year 50 million contract to a back-end starter? Perhaps, another sign that the pro-Hughes hope diminish every time those evil “troll” Yankee fans are proven right again and again.

Pat D

Because trading him to the NL solves…what exactly?

Havok9120

Because trading him accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Troll

Keep him in. Let the Phucker burn. They were never going to hit the import anyway . . .

Pat D

Dumber.

Troll

Dumbest. Those who cannot provide explanations to their one-and-done berating comments are the lowest level of scum on a game thread. And trust me, I know scum. I’m a big ass bloody troll.

Pat D

They were never going to hit the import anyway . . .

You were basing this insightful analysis off…what exactly? Was it the 13 hits and 5 walks he allowed to the Yankees in 10 innings against them last year? Gotta have been something.

Oh, and as always, FUCK OFF.

Troll

Yeah . . . Because the offense between now and last season is IDENTICAL. Because he’s the same exact pitcher that he was LAST YEAR. Bucholz, Darvish, A. Sanchez, etc. Those fellas might like a word with you. How about the fact that he’s held opposing offenses to the third lowest batting average in major league baseball? Or, maybe that he’s struck out well over a better per inning? Take your pick because there certainly plenty more that I could’ve rambled off.

You’re a heinous human being. You’re an even bigger troll than I am. Embrace it, you coward.

Pat D

Right, so of course that means they had no chance against him. Except that they got a run and 2 hits off him in one inning. Which was kind of my point, that anything can happen.

“Heinous,” “troll,” and “coward?” I don’t think those words mean what you really think they mean. There are bigger trolls on this board than you, but I’m not one of them. You just keep thinking the things you want to think. I’m sure you’ll continue to have your fun. Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy myself by pretending that you don’t fucking exist.

Sorry. I was out. 7 innings and 2 runs. Yeah, they really showed him, huh? Way to go, buddy.

I can only wish that I hung around the internet long enough to understand what the hell O:S means. Sorry, I guess I am a half-wit.

You’re far more likely to get banned from the threads than I am, sir. You’ve got quite the potty mouth . . .

Troll

Also, because I want to continue with the fun I’m having . . . Since you’re clearly enjoying yourself, how is it that you responded to my comment? I thought that I didn’t exist? Or, wait, do I? I’m delusional, or am I an illusion? I just don’t know anymore.

True Pinstriped Blue

Pat “D”ipshit is just mad that he found out wrestling isn’t real and that is the reason why everyone he knows quit watching it once they hit puberty. Sorry it’s true wrestling is fake you LOSER!

BFDeal

STHFU, Rainbow. Your act got old along time ago.

fabricio

i want pineda now!!!!! or in about a month

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

I blame Romine.
If only Stewart was catching today.

The Real Greg

Stewart is catching today

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

/sarcasm

Ahr Mon

This.

I like Girardi, but man, give the kid a chance to play. Not that it would have changed anything tonight…

vicki

you gotta laugh.

stuart a

Nice outing by Hughes. Yep give him 5 yrs and $50 mill. you insane…

he is avg. a overhyped avg pitcher. could not get out of the 1st.. 2 bad games in a row.

did not throw a pitch below the waist…

ouch

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

throw him a parade…..
ike davis would have thrown a complete game no-hitter…..
hughes doesn’t even have a single rbi….

Pat D

yay………….parades have returned……………

so happy……………

Q

Most ridiculous poster on here, etc, etc…but I agree that the money figures thrown around for potential contract extensions were a little over-the-top. Check out his career stats–if he played for a different team we would all be talking about how mediocre he is.

JobaWockeeZ

To be fair it was less because of Hughes’ ability and more than pitchers are being overpaid. regardless I thought it was an overpay right about the first time it was introduced.

Hughes will still get a good deal but hopefully for someone else. Preferably the Red Sox or Orioles.

Jorge Brosada

Wow he couldn’t even finish an one inning. That’s pathetic.

Go home Phil, you’re drunk

Cy Pettitte

what a disgusting performance, if you’re gonna give up 7 runs at least go 4 or 5 innings

jtb083201

Well Hughes sucked but his defense let him down big time. Gardner has to make that throw and Granderson has to make that routine out. Granderson blows. He comes back, hits into double plays and can’t play the field. Awesommmeee, extend him Cashman, hurry!

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

lol

CUYanks

I usually make my judgments on players’ seasons after they’ve played a minimum of 1 game and 1 inning. If he doesn’t hit a hr in the bottom of the 1st here, though, I’m with you!

Mykey

You think Granderson could have caught that Morales hit?

Anderson Silva

Yes. Problem is, he doesnt read balls hit well and he slipped.

Mykey

I saw him slip. I just thought he wasn’t going to have a chance at it.

I do agree that he does not read balls very well however.

Anderson Silva

I think Gardner gets that ball.

Havok9120

Hehehe

BFDeal

I see the idiot without a baseball IQ strikes again.

stuart a

nova is as bad as hughes.

they are 2 of the same. 93 or so, crappy offspeed pitch starters. they confuse over the plate with being a good pitch…

Anderson Silva

Nova has great stuff (including offspeed) but no command. Hughes has good command but mediocre stuff (no offspeed whatsoever)

The Real Greg

SMH at the Yankee pitching farm system.

BFDeal

SMH at you.

Bo Knows

Hughes doesn’t average 93, and is essentially a one pitch pitcher. Nova’s issues is his fb command, he has a good curveball and slider; and will actually throw them with a willingness to use them in any count.

Troll

WTF! NO! They’re going to destroy the bullpen. Death by taxing!

Raymond Freemont

I see that Ichiro had an error. He really needs to go away. Oh right 2 years.

Mostly because the vast majority of the time he’s throwing fastballs, behind in count fb’s, ahead fb’s, two strikes; more fastballs. If he doesn’t have command of that pitch, he’s (and pardon my language) f$%$ed more ways than a Vegas prostitute.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

yep

JobaWockeeZ

You have to appreciate making the MLB. Hughes as a AAA pitcher today. If you make the MLB you have to hit those types of pitches even if you suck.

Kramerica Industries

You know, most nights, I’m unfortunately about 20 minutes late arriving. Usually, no biggie. Not too much happens in the first inning or two.

Umm…7-0 in the FIRST INNING? Holy fucking shit.

I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

Only one game… but it sure is an ugly one.

CUYanks

so far…

The Real Greg

But this is 2 bad starts in a row. Inconsistent Phil

I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

Preceded by a stretch of 3 (4?) good starts. I wish he could just be average each time out instead of spurts of good and bad.

Havok9120

I’m not sure any pitcher in the history of baseball pitchery matches your desire.

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I argued the other day, until I was blue in the face, that you do not give Phil a 4-5 year deal. I was met with much resistance, shockingly, most people want to resign him. He’ll get a contract, but from an NL team. He is not the right pitcher for Yankee stadium (fly ball) — end of story. Poor guy. This is why the Yanks are better focusing all $$ and time to finding another top of the rotation starter #1 or #2 going into the offseason and 2015, if they have to wait a year to “hand-out” a contract. Their primary goal shouldn’t be “locking-up” a 27 year old pitcher who is “cheaper” just because. That’s pretty much the logic from most people in the Phil Hughes thread the other day. So wrong.

6

..and before anyone says, this is just one start. It’s not. Not even close to an argument. I haven’t looked at the splits, but the scout in my gut tells me that Phil has been far more effective away from Yankee stadium.

Also I hope the Yankees don’t come back because Hughes will get the loss and get all the blame, which he deserves. Yankees bailed him out once, can’t do it again.

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Dumbest.
Comment.
Ever.

And in a thread where stuart makes an appearance.

MannyGeee

This. Thanks for playing Greg

Anderson Silva

new low for you, and that’s saying something

The Real Greg

SO you don’t think he deserves blame?

Mykey

Regardless of how the game ends, it would be silly to think that him giving up 7 runs in two thirds of an inning would be easily forgotten.

MannyGeee

He’ll get blamed for 7ER in .2IP, win or lose. I would MUCH rather see Granderson come in and hit 2 out and Preston Claiborne get his first win in Pinstripes, if at all possible.

But what do I know, maybe I am the polyanna you are about to call me.

Havok9120

He’s made clear he does. Which doesn’t mean he actively wants the team to lose because he’s not gone completely off the deep end.

Anderson Silva

I dont hope the Yankees lose, ever. I actually like and root for the Yankees to win.

Havok9120

Between this and your “I was hoping this would happen so I wouldn’t need to bother with the game” nonsense from earlier, you’re piling up inane drivel at a rate which blows all your previous pap stockpiling out of the water.

Go for a walk or something man.

BFDeal

You are one dumb MF.

MannyGeee

“Clairbournez to teh rotation” battle crystal in 3……2……

MannyGeee

BATTLE CRYS goddammit!

Havok9120

I dunno. Battle Crystal sounds like just what we need to make a comeback here.

MannyGeee

Not if you knew where you had to put it for it to work…

I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

The Battle Crystal is the Commissioner’s Trophy.

Hughes suxs rotted ass

If i was on the yankees
I would go take a shit in hughes locker right now.

MannyGeee

Where’s your locker? *grabs newspaper

davey

Michael Kay with the Al Gore shot….Well played!!

Sal’s HandleBar

Yup, few people more critical of Kay than me but Mr. Al Gorazeera deserves all the hate possible. Kudos to Kay for once.

Pat D

One born every minute.

Hughes suxs rotted ass

The famous 39 number

Karl Krawfid

Ichiro needs to pull that

MannyGeee

“Here comes a big time Yankees prospect to bat…”

John Sterling

Sorry, I missed the memo

Rolling Doughnut

Well I see Phil excelled himself tonight. Kind of saw it coming. Two great outings, a mediocre one, now this one. We can watch him and Nova battle it out for the worst bedshit of the year.

WhittakerWalt

His last outing he gave up 6 runs. That one stunk, too.

Hughes suxs rotted ass

So what was your favorite chris nelson moment?
The base hit in colorado is mine

Mykey

I really like that time the Yankees picked him up, and I was like “who?”

It means that it’ll happen about every two years with a NYY starting pitcher.

jdp

Brought back memories of a game I saw on a school field trip to the original Stadium. Long time ago, but I think I remember it pretty well. Yanks were playing Kansas City Athletics, Whitey Ford was pitching, so I expected a certain victory. KC got 7 runs in the top of the first. I rember one error, but most it was rockets getting hit off Whitey. Yanks made a bit of a comeback, but never got really close to tying it up.

Pasta Stumbling Sojo

I looked for that game in Whitey’s game logs but couldn’t find it. Any memory of which year it was by any chance?

jdp

I tried to find it. too, but couldn’t. Guess the old memory isn’t what I thought it was.

I don’t think that’s it. His memory of the game may not be perfect, but I doubt he’d forget the time his class took a field trip all the way to Kansas City. :)

Pat D

Oops.

I just remembered reading about Whitey having bad starts against KC the end of 1960. Missed the important details.

Havok9120

That maybe trying to use this as an example of why Hughes is historically bad and doesn’t deserve to be a Yankee is a bit misguided?

DJ

Marshall’s gonna hafta take one for the team tonight and go back to Scranton tomorrow as a result. The cruel world of baseball.

MannyGeee

Suzyn is getting into the “What a tangled web we weave” story about the Lee/Montero/Smoak/Adams trade/non-trade

Sal’s HandleBar

I think the big question is not the value of Hughes (he is a back end rotation pitcher) in signing him but what realistically can we get in a mid season trade?

Is a package centering on Hughes, assuming he’s pitching effectively at the right time, plus some prospects get us a potent bat at third, catcher, short or outfield.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Presumably any team interested in Hughes at the trade deadline would be a contending team, and likely wouldn’t give up a potent MLB bat in return. Maybe in a 3-team deal.
Probably easier to just do a straight prospects for player deal without Hughes. Maybe trade Hughes separately for a prospect or two (in the unlikely event they trade Hughes).

JobaWockeeZ

Projecting these types of things aren’t easy but if he’s hot at the right time, maybe, just maybe we can get a top 100 prospect.

Havok9120

Why would we do that though? The team is still in win-now mode with Mo, Pettitte, and Kuroda on possibly their last year and Jeter, Tex, ARod, and CC not getting any younger. A team with a pretty darn good shot at winning the division doesn’t go trading off its forth starter out of spite.

MannyGeee

Because all those unproven arms have tone better than the guy just entering his prime that just pitched the best game of the season for this team two weeks ago.

But nah, Marshall is better and so is Nuno, who was playing independent ball a few yrs ago…

JobaWockeeZ

LOL. Hughes has been worth 1.5 WAR a year since he started pitching in 2010. WHo gives a fuck if he’s entering his prime, he’s a league average pitcher at his best.

There’s an argument about keeping Granderson or Kuroda who have been above average players. Putting Hughes is that category is nothing more than a gross overestimation of his skills.

And if you want to use his one start as proof of anything then I pray that you don’t fucking rip on someone who uses a small sample to prove a point.

MannyGeee

Why not, I used an 8 inning game to prove his point just like the small sample size of 4 innings on Monday makes Nuno a more plausible starter. Fuck it, it’s all about the narrative you want to throw out there.

Hughes is a good to very good pitcher who will throw a clunker here and there. Pettitte, Kuroda and Nova have all thrown shit shows this season too, but the narrative doesn’t fit because FILL IZ TEH GARBAGEZ!!!1!1.

JobaWockeeZ

Because when/if those guys leave the Yankees would be almost devoid of talent. They need to start making their own if they want to go below 190 million.

Hughes started all of last year and he was a 2.3 WAR pitcher. League average is 2. His (positive) impact on this team is frankly overrated and if they can get long term value for him they should do it/

Even in the short term with guys like CC, Pettitte and Kuroda you aren’t missing Hughes in the postseason.

Havok9120

Yes, except they need to get to the post season first. Were you not one of the less-optimistic fans for our post season chances? Were you not one of the guys saying every marginal improvement was going to be desperately needed? Why are we dying to dump a guy that can turn in great starts for a month at a time and possibly be worth a first rounder at the end of the season?

There’s nothing to indicate his trade value is all that high as a rental. What kind of return would be acceptable for you?

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

The bigger worry, and likely reason they won’t trade Hughes, is depth.
If CC, Kuroda, and Pettitte are all healthy and pitching well, Hughes might be expendable. If not, losing Hughes could be a big issue. It would really depend on the return. I’m not sure 1/2 a season of a 4th starter would generate enough of a return to be worth adding more risk to their success this season.

Anderson Silva

that was a nice throw.. not what I was expecting from a former 2nd base prospect

Buddy

Ok. Lets play a game. Who are the 5 best starters drafted by the Yankees since 1985 and had their best years with them.

Pat D

Do you know or are you being sarcastic?

JobaWockeeZ

Andy Petitte and a bunch of scrubs.

BFDeal

Why are you even a Yankee fan?

CS Yankee

I was really concerned with the SP matchups for the recent four games (Mon-Wed), but really pumped for the next five games.

Good news is that they already won 2-of-the-last-3…likely go down tonight and hopefully make a solid run and put Toronto out of the way in mid-May.

Life is good, stay thirsty my friends.

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At this point, I’m good with giving, Marshall, Claiborne, Kelly, call up Montgomery, Warren, Phelps and Nuno innings versus anymore of Hughes and Joba. Both are failed experiments for the Yanks. Truth is, both are over in the coming months, neither will be resigned. I’m on the fence at this point, if the Yanks even make Phil a QO. Truth is, Cashman is 100% working on trading one or both of those guy in the next 6 weeks. Not a doubt in my mind. He’ll get more in return (which isn’t much, but says something) than having them on the team. At this point, neither will produce any return for the team. Best they can do is latch onto one of the other pitching starved teams and grab a prospect or two.

MannyGeee

DAFAQ did Joba do to you? He has been pitching lights out until the Oblique bit him…

6

Why do people continue to miss the point? He did nothing to me. This is a business. The Yankees are NOT resigning him. Not happening. They are NOT making him a qualifying offer, since it will greatly exceed his AAV. Essentially, for all the frustration, all the work, the Yanks are due to get nothing out this. You trade him now, while he is pitching well and get something in return. A lot of people say that’s stupid, you don’t trade one of your best relievers in a pennant race to another contender. We’ll I can’t explain how to run a business on here, but this is precisely when you trade Joba. Hughes as well.

6

..and what I mean by pitching well, was before his injury, which he should come back fine from in about a week.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

It’s entirely possible Joba’s contribution over the remainder of the season is greater than the contribution of whatever they’d get in return in a trade would be. Meanwhile you lessen your chances of making the playoffs this year. Why?
If they could get a sure thing prospect in return, fine, consider it.
Joba isn’t likely to return anywhere near that.

Havok9120

Yes. You run a business by losing more games in exchange for an uncertain return in a future that may not include two of your three best starters, your biggest power hitter, your best reliever, and in which decline from your biggest regulars is virtually assured.

Tell us more, Obi-wan.

6

Not right. One has nothing to do with the other in your example. In fact, I am not sure I entirely understand what you are saying about “biggest power hitter.” The market is surprisingly efficient and it’s a lot easier to replace players than most think it is. That is, if we’re not looking at the name brand.

Havok9120

Yep. 40 homer power is just everywhere to be found these last few years.

And of course they’re connected. You are lessening your chances to win now while the rest of the team is the best it is likely to be for the foreseeable future in return for little to no return on the investment, unless you know a GM ready to go selling off the farm for an injury prone RP one year from FA.

MannyGeee

Dude, I just found 2 40-homer guys at the Home Depot on my lunch break and one more when I dropped my car off for an oil change. I literally can’t piss on a street corner without some dribble and splash getting on a power hitting outfielder…

Pat D

The Force will be with you…always.

You must go to the Dagobah system.

What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

JobaWockeeZ

Yeah Joba has done well considering how he was treated in 2009…

6

Ah..good grief. I often wonder if most people could even turn a profit from a lemonade stand…

JobaWockeeZ

The Yankees are definitely a flawed team. If you’re griping on Joba then you are missing a fuckton of things.

6

Ok you’re right. Let’s just hand Phil a 5 year $60mm contact. Keep Joba to the end of season (with a likely additional 15DL stint or two) and not get anything when the Yanks choose not to resign him. We’ll just do it this way, since it seems like 99% of RAB prefers this outcome, although it makes zero sense whatsoever.

Thanks

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

From what I’ve seen, it seems like more of RAB is against resigning Phil.
As for not getting anything, that’s simply not true. They get the remainder of the season of each. That has value. And potentially more value than what they’d get back in trade.

Havok9120

Bwuh? When did Hughes get involved here? Strawman much? And at least pay attention to who you’re talking to. The guy to whom you just responded has written pretty extensively on why Phil should be traded or at least not resigned.

Ignoring the value of their pitching just makes you sound ridiculous. There’s no reason to believe a trade can net more value than they are currently providing to the team.

Mickey Scheister

Hughes sucks ass. Trade his sorry ass and promote Nuno, just when I was looking forward to his starts he shits the bed. The Yankees CAN win this game, they scored 4 runs in 4 innings last night, they can score 7 runs in 7 innings left tonight. Lets go Railriders…I mean Yankees!

Wheels

I didn’t like how Sterling still did Ibanez’s home run call after the grand slam. Shouldn’t have done it for a shot that put us down 6-0.

MannyGeee

Muscle memory, dude…

Anderson Silva

Gardner should really try swinging at the first pitch every now and then… He gets a lot of first pitch FB in the middle of the plate

Havok9120

Wait….weren’t you one of the guys that flipped out on him for swinging at the first pitch during one of the doubleheader games?

You may not have been, but I thought you were. Either way, half a dozen people were pretty ticked at him for it. Cano too.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

It’s OK to swing at the first pitch, but only if they’re going to get a hit.
If they don’t get a hit, it was the dumbest thing ever to swing at the first pitch, and shows they just don’t want to be there.

JobaWockeeZ

Let’s go Marshall. Be our glimmer of hope of developing starters.

Get Phelps Up

Uh oh…
Injury Delay on gameday and then Price gets removed.

Havok9120

Yikes. That could be huge.

MannyGeee

Yup, please don’t injure our future ace.

Mickey Scheister

So the early scurvy fuck of the night goes to Hughes. Lets see if anyone can dethrone him before the end of the game.

Pat D

If Hughes is clean-shaven, that term can’t be applied.

Only if he’s got some growth on his face.

Mickey Scheister

I didn’t tune in early enough to see his 1 IP tonight but I’m picturing his chi-mo stache when presenting that award this evening.

Anderson Silva

what to expect of this Marshall kid?

The Real Greg

A little nervousness.

MannyGeee

Better than Hughesedness, if you read the first 300 comments.

Brian S.

Let’s go Marshy.

SDB

For those paying some attention to the Rays/Sox game, what happened to David Price?

(What is it with pitchers today? Vogelsong 2 IP, 8 ER v. Toronto…)

Brian S.

And seriously Ibanez can go screw himself. I know he’s a postseason hero but this is bullshit hitting two home runs against us.

Rizi Walnuts

You put in a long day, grab a beer, hit the couch, fire up the 57-inch HD wonderbox and 7-1? WTF?

Mickey Scheister

I know the feeling. There’s still hope over here outta me but with each out, it’s weaning away.

Wheels

Lyle strokin’

I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

The more I watch Overbay play, the more I wish we could keep him.

The Real Greg

We can. Cut Hafner and have Overbay be the DH.

http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

Haha.

Get Phelps Up

That would be almost as dumb as rooting for the Yankees to lose so their starter could get properly blamed.

MannyGeee

IETC….

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Greg’s on a roll today.

Havok9120

Surely it was a joke.

I need to believe it was a joke.

Rizi Walnuts

Wait – wasn’t Baby Hughie starting?

Wheels

You missed the carnage.

Pinstripes In Cali

I just tuned in too, like an inning ago. Forgot to even look at the score for 15 minutes, and when I saw it, I sprayed the beer I was drinking all over the place.

SeventhAce

.2 IP….. WTFARK!?

Brian S.

Adamsy isn’t doing so well :(

Pinstripes In Cali

You mean in his first two major league at-bats?

Pinstripes In Cali

Ichiro!

Rizi Walnuts

All that Tokyo posturing becomes annoying when Ichiro just rolls it to to 2B.

Pat D

Just a few, quick observations. Reply all you want, I’m probably not coming back tonight.

1) If you’re down on Hughes, fine, I understand that. But if you think he’s nothing more than “league-average” or a “back-end” starter, please enlighten me as to what kind of “long-term asset” you’d get for him in a trade. Guess what? You’re not going to get what you think you can get. Why? Because if he’s “league-average” at best, the best thing you could get would be a Grade-B prospect. That’s not someone in a Top 100 list. His value is limited because you’ve labeled him as such.

2) Stop whining about the Yankees not being able to develop their own starters. If you’re going to whine about anything along this line of thinking, whine about this: their inability to develop ANY players. Go to BRef, go through their drafts and see how many 10+ WAR players are there since 1990. And then figure out how many of them didn’t play for the Yankees. That’ll get you fucking depressed. That’s also called the price of success. When you’re a winning team for the last 20 years, you’re not getting the premium draft picks. Such is life. They need to make something out of what they get, sure, but it’s not like the Prices and Verlanders and Longorias and Fielders and McCutchens have been there for them to pick. And don’t even try to say “If they hadn’t signed Teix, they could have drafted Trout,” since that is wrong on so many levels.

Pinstripes In Cali

Verducci wrote a really good article today about the Mets and Harvey and how fucking hard it is to develop starting pitching. Worth a read if one thinks that the Yankees are bad at it.

Fallacy, the Yankees are the only team that has difficulty developing pitching. About 15 dipshits just told me so.

The Real Greg

I made a list earlier this year or last year of good pitchers they could have drafted in the second round or lower. Lester was at the top of that list.

So while the big name players aren’t getting down to the Yankees, you can turn second and third round picks into “aces even”. Heavens to Murgatroyd!

/Snagglepuss’d

Havok9120

We annihilated your list over the course of about a week. Mike and virtually every regular took turns pulverizing it. You stopped even responding to our arguments. We did the same with your list of pitchers developed by the Yanks AND your list that told us that “every team” had a premium prospect making a debut this season except the Yanks.

Lists may not (quite) have gone out with Joe McCarthy, but your lists have been pretty terribad.

Anderson Silva

1) Agreed. He wouldnt net anything decent in a trade because he’s fairly mediocre. A starter with no offspeed stuff whatsoever and a OK fastball is not something that’s going to get a lot of attention in trades.
2)It’s not only the first 10 to 15 picks in a draft that yield good players. A great deal of the process of developing young talent is having great instructors in the minors to, you know, DEVELOP them. It seems like the Yankees like those type of coaches and that’s something that could offset not drafting high in every draft.

Anderson Silva

Yankees lack*

Havok9120

And the Yanks have a better track record than almost anyone (that’s ever been pointed out to me at any rate) of taking guys out of round 35+ and turning them into something of value. No, they haven’t generated any true stars from those rounds lately, but they get role players from them pretty frequently.

your mom

Marshall is all over the friggin place. He’s not going to last long if he continues this way.

http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

It’s his MLB debut.

your mom

Oh yeah, forgot.

WhittakerWalt

It’s got “Danny Rios” written all over it.

The Real Greg

It’s his first big league appearance. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for this one. Butterflies.

BFDeal

I’m sure he feels better knowing The Real Greg is giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Havok9120

Only once though. After that he’s a disgrace that doesn’t belong on an MLB roster and should be packaged with Hughes, Nova, and Joba for Harper and an A prospect.

BFDeal

Harper and an A prospect? Nothing less than Harper and Strasburg.

your mom

Wow, Smoak sucks.

Rizi Walnuts

I just saw grand slam under Raul’s name.

Bobby Meacham’s Psychiatrist

Welcome to the Show Mr. Adams…note that tonight’s pitching performance by a Free Agent to Be unNamed Later has been brought to you by the Letter L and the $ (for whoever decides to shell out for Hughes because I think he has as much chance of being resigned as Swish did)

What’s Jamie Moyer doing these days?

The Real Greg

We have a young Jamie Moyer. His name is Vidal Nuno.

MannyGeee

Someone save this… I think we’ll need this when he drops his first turd and Greg tells us how much he sucks.

The Real Greg

In terms of pitching style. Not much velocity, lefty, good control. Not saying that he will have a career like Moyer.

MannyGeee

Harder seed to find anyone who will. Steady as she goes for parts of 3 decades…

Bobby Meacham’s Psychiatrist

No, I mean the original one who came up to the Show the day after Doubleday invented the game….I’d much rather see him play NOW than watch Hughes cough up this trash.

Jamie, if you’re reading this … you never wore pinestripes, did you? *HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE*

For Kershaw? Absolutely. He should thrown a shutout. Especially against a crappy Giants offense.

The Real Greg

Not being totally serious with this statement but..

Havok9120

…but it’s exactly the kind of thing you say all the time about our pitchers.

The Real Greg

When have I ever said that our pitchers should be throwing shutouts left and right?

Havok9120

Just, what, a week ago you got all hot and bothered for an hour or more because Houston managed to score 4 runs in a single inning off the Yanks. Nevermind that that left the game tied, it was a disaster that clearly showed the weakness in Yankee development and probably pointed toward Phelps being ineffective as an MLB starter. We needed to CRUSH their SPIRITS.

And don’t even get me started on how you reacted to Pettitt’s clunker earlier that series.

The Real Greg

Not totally serious with this statement but as you think about it….

The Real Greg

Damn. Double comment.

MannyGeee

I feel a Gardner cheaply special double coming on

your mom

Must be easy pitching with a 7 run lead.

your mom

I guess the pitching staff was due for a stinker, they’ve been pretty solid lately. Oh hey, a Stewart HR.

Anderson Silva

Gardner wasn’t running full speed there.. thats one he easily beats

vicki

good morning, blue jay offense. sleep well?

Anderson Silva

Marshall is very unimpressive.. stuff looks mediocre at best

Anderson Silva

this is embarrassing.. time to go. Have a good night fellas..

The Real Greg

By the way, I decided to add the Beach Boys to the list. So that makes 8 out of 10. Any more nominees?

On the list:
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Queen
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Pink Floyd
The Kinks
The Beach Boys

Bo Knows

the list of what?

The Real Greg

Top ten Rock bands of all time in no particular order.

Bo Knows

oh ok, I would be no help in that kind of discussion. I know exactly jack shit about rock bands.

Betty Lizard

I know you have a list of criteria, and those on the lists must be “bands” but I am still sad to see a list without Elvis Costello or Neil Young or Eric Clapton

Which then segues into my wishing to see (whether meeting the criteria or not):

CSNY
The Byrds
Little Feat

Robinson Tilapia

A list of best American bands, without Greg’s bullshit rules, would be interesting…..and may have CSN sneaking in there.

Then again, does Nash’s presence disqualify them?

Betty Lizard

Just as I do not watch Phil Hughes starts I do not speak ill of Graham Nash.

Robinson Tilapia

Nothing wrong with Nash, but he’s British, is he not?

Always liked Stills and, by “liked,” I mean anything of note by him came out before I was born. “Manassas” is excellent.

Betty Lizard

I consider Nash the lightweight of the group.

And CSN/CSNY are American bands, Brits and Canadians notwithstanding. Besides which, how was Greg’s a list of American bands with the Beatles et al on there?

vicki

didn’t you say rock bands? i take issue with the beach boys.

The Real Greg

That’s why I hesitated to put them on the list for a long time. But their Wiki page as well as other sources labels them as a rock band, and also if you think about it, they created their own style of rock.

Robinson Tilapia

They’re a rock band.

Brian S.

That stuff was like half a century ago.

Frank

This game is going to wreck our run differential.

Havok9120

It will only add to our status as an unsustainable underdog. Just what Girardi wanted.

THEY’LL ALL BE FOOLED

Frank

True, even after this mess we’re still in first place.

Bobby Meacham’s Psychiatrist

Jamie Moyer was seen being fitted for a uniform…..

Brian S.

Granderson has sucked for almost a year now.

The Real Greg

Are we counting his time on the DL or not? I would say that he has sucked for about 3 months, mostly from last year.

Brian S.

Past calendar year=108 wRC+. And that includes most of his first half last year where he was still good.

Get Phelps Up

So you suck by having a 108 wRC+?

Havok9120

And you’re arguing for that being suckage?

BFDeal

You’re about as idiotic as Greg during game threads.

The Real Greg

David Cone sounds so awkward doing those promos

Robinson Tilapia

Been watching the Heat, for some reason, not putting this away tonight and having trouble with Rip Hamilton and Carlos Boozer.

My assumption, from looking at the boxscore, is that Marshall hasn’t looked too great. How has Adams looked so far?

Also, and most importantly, I need to know, is the sky falling?

Havok9120

Forever doomed.

Robinson Tilapia

I’ll assume that’s the answer to every question.

Havok9120

Best way to go really. Especially during a blowout loss.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

There ya go, Addy.

Brian S.

Trade Ichiro to the Giants.

http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

They need to shoot Ichiro into the sun. His presence on the roster is an insult to my fandom.

Robinson Tilapia

I actually had to check to see whether this was a legitimate Mike comment.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

How can you tell?

Robinson Tilapia

The RAB URL? Wouldn’t that mean he’s a registered user or something?

http://riveraveblues.com Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

I don’t think so.

Robinson Tilapia

Ruh-roh.

TomH

It’s actually very funny, with that bit about the sun. I put my head back and just laughed.

Havok9120

Mike’s finally lost it. Bring in Ben and Joe with the shotgun to put him out of his misery.

TomH

Well, I knew it was bad when I walked into the tv room to watch the game and my wife–knowing that my computer had to be reformatted today and that I was ready for either Valium or bourbon–told me, “You don’t want to watch tonight.” To prove my manhood, I turned it on and then quickly turned it off.

Worse: for those of us who have to live among them, the Blue Jays’ fans are beginning to perk up.

Hughes has been given every chance to get it together. Years and years (his youth, his oldest virtue) have passed and there is still no knockout pitch. Do these guys ever go over to old-timer stars and say, “Hey, Andy/CC/Hiroki/Mariano, how DO you grip the ball for that X of yours?” He’s worked with a couple of pitching coaches, one of them much admired, and still zilch.

Phelps instead of Hughes. But who, then, instead of Nova?

Robinson Tilapia

I don’t think Phil Hughes is any danger of losing his rotation spot over getting his ass supremely handed to him one start, nor should he.

TomH

it’s not just one start. He’s the team yo-yo. Now he’s up, now he crashes. Nova’s the same. They remind me of that guy from when I was a kid. He came by our school every year to demonstrate yo-yo techniques (he was from the Phillippines), including two yo-yo’s at once. When Phil and Nova are 4-5 in the order, I always think of him.

Robinson Tilapia

Sounds like a mid-rotation starter.

WhittakerWalt

He got creamed last start, too.

Get Phelps Up

“Do these guys ever go over to old-timer stars and say, “Hey, Andy/CC/Hiroki/Mariano, how DO you grip the ball for that X of yours?”

Do you really think it’s that easy?

TomH

Depends on how many years you keep trying to do it. It’s pretty strange to me that someone like Hughes, with all that elan surrounding him years ago, has simply failed to develop the pitch(es) needed to keep himself competitive. Sometimes, you know, failings among the highly talented–and we have to assume that to some extent this was once a highly-talented guy–are failures of temperament.

It’s also possible that NY is not the place for him. I don’t mean merely because of his fly-ball tendencies. He might be more likely to live up to those now-distant expectations of him somewhere other than NY, or, indeed, the AL East.

Robinson Tilapia

Shane Battier!

True Pinstriped Blue

This isn’t an open thread so don’t bring your bandwagon Heat crap on here.

Now Batting

Wish they could take Marshall out for his psyche but there’s no one left in the bp.

Robinson Tilapia

Did Anthony Claggett ever pitch again, now that I think about it?

Just calmly walk Marshall to the Seattle clubhouse and walk Montero back to the Yankee clubhouse. No one will notice.

With this bunch, you can’t exactly tell by the substitutions exactly when they’re throwing out the white flag. Sometimes it seems as early as the first inning.

Wheels

Who is starting for us tomorrow?

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Pettitte

http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

This game will be completely forgotten if Ichiro pitches the ninth. That would be fun.

WhittakerWalt

If a position player is taken out of the game does the preclude them from pitching? What about if they’re retired and in the Hall of Fame? Because I could go for a little Wade Boggs knuckleball right about now.

Havok9120

Would that earn him the right not to be shot into the sun with the Navy’s experimental railgun?

Robinson Tilapia

You’d get a call to the bullpen for the Human Fucking Torch.

Robinson Tilapia

Does this count as one game in the standings?

Havok9120

I’m telling you: Girardi just wanted to throw off our run differential so that everyone would start underestimating the team again.

Robinson Tilapia

but the MEDIA

BFDeal

Negative vibes!

Robinson Tilapia

Can I technically participate in a game thread if I’ve been watching another game the entire time, in another sport, even?

Robinson Tilapia

Bring on the next victims. HEEEEEEEAT.

Robinson Tilapia

I’d like to thank Brett Marshall for taking the bullet for the team tonight. Really.

I hope you have a much better second time out.

Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

Decent innings eating, Brett.

SDB

Yup. So Kelley, Blogan, Robertson and Mo are still fresh, despite Hughes sucking the big one today. At least there are some positives.