Hello and thanks for dropping bySo i will be buying new gear in a short while. the next things on my list i need to purchase are pants combo and Goretex gloves.i am curently interested in softshell and hardshell pants for a summer climbs up to 3500m in the alpsso i take it i need some good shoeller mountain pants and some light goretex pants as well right?

anyone has some experience using those items?do you think those are good options for me?

couple of things that botter me:1.The Mammut Convey pants boast a GoreTex Paclite membrane which if im not mistaken allready been replaced by the Goretex Active membrane. and by the way should i look for Goretex Pro shell or would it be an over kill for those kind of alltitutds and beginner level mountaineering?2. I cant seem to find the TNF Triclimate gloves at the TNF website although Google search directs me to the website , does it means that this is a very old model or something?

I don't have any experience with the make/model that you specify, but I can say that if 3,500 meters in the Alps is anything like 3,500 meters in the cascades (I think we get more rain), you do not need a full on 16+ oz gore tex shell bottom in the summer. A good pair of softshell pants will be fine, they will shed moderate precip well. A cheaper, light-weight shell might be appropriate to throw in the pack if the forecast is not looking good. I have some cheap, windproof bicycling gloves I use and some shell mitts to throw over the top in cold conditions.

Despite the marketing, at the level that most of us mortals climb, you don't need the latest/greatest gear for mountains.

Heyo, As a relative noob enjoying some time in the Alps at those altitudes, I can tell you what works for me. Summertime, I can comfortably do 4,000m in normal hiking pants, gaters, "functional shirt", hard shell on top, ear muffs, and solid gloves. With that said, I am a chick, and get freezing easily. I do NOT think you need a hard and soft shell for the summer for the bottom, I don't know anyone who has hardshell bottoms, only snowboarders, and it should be just fine. Glove wise, depending on what you are doing, I have also a light pair of biking gloves. It is going to be plus degrees in the day, and unless you are in a tent you are not going to need them at night. Mammut is okay, not as awesome as swiss people like to believe, but solid clothes for that season and the altitudes.

i think i do need that goretex pant and gloves because im going to learn and preform a lot of self arests as well as other things which include "rolling" in the snow . plus the guide makes us to bring waterproof pants and gloves , i just wanna make sure im buying qua;ity product . i think 400g is pretty light for good waterproof pants . am i wrong?

Ok so i bought the TNF Triclimate gloves (the sale almost ended tried them, pretty warm and well constructed. tried them under a running tap of water for several minutes and was completely dry , i was actually very surprised and impresed by the waterproofnes of the Hyvent membrane. i hope they will serve me well.

is it ok the gloves are a tiny bit bigger then i need ? could it be a big problem?

ermm still waiting around for some ideas about the Mammut softshell and hardshell pants above . seriously no one ever used those ?

Strider wrote:Ok so i bought the TNF Triclimate gloves (the sale almost ended tried them, pretty warm and well constructed. tried them under a running tap of water for several minutes and was completely dry , i was actually very surprised and impresed by the waterproofnes of the Hyvent membrane. i hope they will serve me well.

http://andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/the_truth_about_glovesDEATH TO ‘WATERPROOFNESS’When I used to work in outdoor shops, people would often ask me if I could recommend to them a pair of waterproof gloves. “You want a pair of waterproof gloves?” I’d reply, putting on my thoughtful font of all knowledge expression. “Rubber Marigolds,” I’d say, nodding my head, “that’s what you want,” adding that “the Italians used them on Cerro Torre this year don’t you know.” I’d point out that Marigolds are also cheap, lightweight and make you look like your mum and being yellow they show up well in photos. The usual response to this wit was the customer walking away shaking their heads, leaving me to drink my cup of tea and read my guidebook in peace. A less common but more worrying response was, ‘Do you have them in my size?’

Why do people ask for waterproof gloves for God’s sake? What do you mean ‘to keep their hands dry’? Are you insane? Have you ever been in the big bad outdoors? It’s a war out there - the only way to keep your hands dry is to buy a caravan. Sure you can use the word ‘waterproof’ if you’re thinking of using your gloves and mitts as water carriers, or sitting in a nice dry lab and dipping your hands in a sink, but in the outdoors?

You can buy 100% waterproof gloves, but no matter how expensive they are, all of them have one major flaw in their drop-lined, seam-sealed and die-cut design… they all have a dammed great dirty hole in them that lets the rain in. Where you may ask? It’s the one into which you’ve got to stick your hand.