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Based on videos of 2 days of scrimmages so far, the Rockets will have a long, tough season. Being too young, they run too fast with no purpose and setup. Lack of communications. That's where I see a void and voice that Lin can fill, to be that leader for the team. I think that's key. There will be a switch that will turn on at midseason and it will be a much different and better team. I think Lin will need half a season to acclimate to his teammates and take over as leader. So far scrimmages are terrible. Tough to watch

C. Parsons is the most impressive player so far. Teamed with R. White (when his head is right) and Lin, ball movement will be exciting to watch. Can't wait to see all three on the floor at the same time.

I don't like that video clip, that play could have been called a "Charge" and a turnover, instead of an "And-1". Parsons was open on the outside ... JLin needs to be more smart about his penetrations, he can't just put the blinders on and dribble straight into the defense. The risk of injury is high, he shouldn't sacrifice his body if it's not necessary. Last season, that would 90% of the time, be called an Offensive Foul

Lin does look off but hey he's made it and shown he can play in real games so who cares about these messy scrimmages. If he stinks during real games, then it's a problem. As long as he doesn't lose too much focus, he will be fine.

Lin actually looks heavier than last season despite losing 10 pounds. I guess it's because his body looks much more filled out due to the weight training, esp his arms. Lin's still a young guy who probably feels at his peak of athleticism right now with all the weight work he just did. He looks like he's relying too much on his athleticism rather than smarts/skills in those scrimmages - hope he doesn't turn himself into the next Jarret Jack.

Like all good players, Lin kinda plays like an ***hole which is why he is so effective in part. On the play before, he was pushing Tony Douglas around to get free and TD responded by playing overly aggressive D and ran into Lin, and then Lin, intentionally or not, elbowed TD in the face as they both went down. TD was probably hand checking or doing something back on this next play and that's probably why Lin took it into the basket so hard and bowled over the big man. But yes, it was actually a charge...

Lin will be fine, he just keeps coming at you and plays with fire. The only thing to worry about with him is injury. Like everyone else, I am beyond bored waiting for the real season to start next month.

Also, this Royce White stuff is becoming an issue. Looks like a bad pick now regardless of the talent he has. Well unless he turns out to be the next Lebron...

yes, the rockets pick is high risk/high reward. either they got zero or they hit the lottery by picking him.

the guy is freakishly talented in a lot of ways. and the rockets have access to the best doctors in the world. if they can get this anxiety thing cured (or under control), they might indeed have the next lebron.

they did have 2 other picks in the draft so it was a very reasonable risk to take. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens anyway.

I dont think the elbow was intended. Looks like he and TD simply went after the ball and collided. Thats good. It shows they all give effort.

I too think a little bit of pushing is normal. They are both PGs and TD is not going to give up his game just because they were teammates in NY. Being professionals they should push each other a bit and make training efficient. I wouldnt expect them to do it otherwise. Making it easy for someone is disrespectful. It means you think the other guy is not good enough or soft or weak or whatever.

I also agree that one should not underestimate JLin. Being humble and friendly off court doesnt mean being soft and nice on the court. I can still remember when Kobe pushed JLin around when they were just standing there. Neihter of them had the ball. IMHO Kobe pushed just to see how JLin would react (or pecking order). JLin pushed right back like "dont fxxxing touch me man"

I dont think he has a choice but to ask the team to bear with him. He will have to deal with it the best he can. Either its good enough or its not.

Unfortunately anxiety disorder or other forms of mental illnes cant be explained so that a healthy person would understand whats going on. I have a cousin who has an anxiety disorder. I didnt even know until someone told me. She would sit in her car - drive to work and suddenly panic. She would have to stop and call for help. There is no reason for it, there is no warning, no signs - it just happens. Despite that - she lives a normal life - for most of the time.

Treatment is difficult and there are no guarantees. Still - I have my fingers crossed because I like people who fight for themselves and overcome the obstacles that they are burdened with.

I read in one ESPN article that the anxiety disorder was triggered by a childhood trauma of having his friend died when he was around 10. It materialized in a fear of flying and other things.

I think it's good that Houston sees his potential and tries to work things out with him. He could help out a lot of people with the same condition if he can make it work. It's a high risk-reward for Rockets but I'm glad they did the right thing.

I agree with KHuang. Its just day 2 of training camp guys. If you watch all available videos (day 1 and 2) you will see that they are just trying to figure things out as they go. They play, they stop, people come in and tell them whats good and whats not good and then they resume the game - its more about developing chemnistry and routines right now.

I'm on the same page. We knew JLin always tries to learn tendencies and like/dislike of other players for better passing lanes so he's probably doing scrimmage half-speed to get familiar with his teammates and avoid getting hurt by some overeager players trying to impress the coaches so they won't be among 3 players to be cut to meet 17 roster limit.

It's interesting that the coaches try to pair Machado and Lin in the backcourt during scrimmages. They seem to highly regard Machado's PG skill. Perhaps they also want to see how JLin can be a shooting guard at times.

On the other hand, KMart and Toney Douglas are in the other team. Perhaps it's only for competitive scrimmage.

What game are you watching ? The defender was standing outside the arc with his heels raised so his feet never touch the restricted zone. Maybe a big bruiser like Blake Griffin or Dwight Howard can get away with lumbering into the paint like a rhino, but Lin will get called for a charge most of the time, especially if it's an away game.

There's 82 games in this season. How many times can he do that in the season before he gets hurt ? Keeping his health is more important than 2 points and a free throw.

I must admit I dont know NBA rules too well but is it a charge if Lin hits a guy after the shot? The way I see it Lin went up - that moment the defender went into position... I watched it over and over and thats what I saw. IMHO Lin got fouled.

Anyway - if you look up the old games you will see that JLin basicly lives at the free throw line. 2+1 makes three - during some games he made more 2+1 then the 3 point specialists. During the Toronto game he tied the game with a 2+1 and sealed the deal with a 3 point play.

If he wants to continue to be a threat on the paint - he has to keep doing these things. Also defenders must practive shot blocks. You cant tell the guys to not block JLins shots. What kind of training camp would that be?

Im worried about injuries too - but I dont think such a move is that dangerous. Most of the energy is taken by the upper body with alot of surface involved. A young persons chest is usually very flexible - no problems there. He came down on both legs and thats what matters.

What IMHO is more dangerous is when he goes up for a dunk or layup. For these moves you have to stress the legs/knees alot - jump with one leg and coming down with one leg - twisting the knee while going sideways. But thats basketball. Either you have good knees or you dont. I dont and thats why I had to quit.

Sorry, guys, the foul came before the charge. In basketball, you don't wait until the play is done and then tally up the fouls. First foul wins.

Lin is never going to stop driving. It's a major part of his game. He's a scoring point guard and to be an efficient scoring point guard, you have to drive a lot and get fouled a lot[1]. You are exaggerating the injury risk. Season ending injuries, the kind you really need to worry about, don't come from getting hacked on drives. He's making the winning and right trade-off.

[1] Unless you have the long two point percentage of Steve Nash. Lin does not (yet?) have that.

I've actually been a long time supporter and original commentator on this site well before you two showed up and never been a hater. I'm just straight up and give my 2 cents. Agree to disagree? My opinion is limited to the practice videos posted on this thread so please don't take things out of context and give knee jerk ad hominem attacks when you don't know a thing about me which is laughable. Lin looked like crap and no amount of apologies or excuses will change the videographic evidence. I can't cut him a break. That would be doing him a disservice. Shirley, are you his mommy? Give my poor darling Lin a break, lol! There are 5 days before the pre-season against the Thunder so no, I don't think anyone should be taking a break and he has had all summer working out, practicing, etc. Btw, 25 mil as in the total amount of the deal he signed you moron. It is the norm to state the total of the deal as in e.g., Carmelo is a 100 mil max player but fine, let me rephrase, he doesn't even look like an 8 mil a year player based on the videos. Willy Dilly, sorry but you're way off base. I am a huge Lin fan but I gotta call it when I see it. It's all you brown nosers who will always apologize or make excuses that are getting in the way of Lin's development. The greatest players always use criticism as motivation. That's how Lin got to where he is today but what I saw in the videos was lazy, lazy execution and the demeanor of someone who just got a big fat paycheck and stopped working hard. To those who are concerned that he'll get injured, hell he'll still get paid as his contract is guaranteed. He is the leader of this team and he needs to step it up much more. Lin's motto is to lead by example but I didn't see too much of that albeit a small sample size. The only glaring examples are his turn overs and that charge which the administrator shamelessly touts as And 1. Trust me, the videos don't strike any fear in anyone who paid attention. I'm sick and tired of apologists. He had his "rookie" honeymoon and now it's time to get to work not more breaks and excuses. People who are always looking for a break are the ones who underachieve in life. By the way Willdilly, I'll say hi to your mom and pops whom I see cleaning the toilets at the YMCA when I play there :) Hard at work and never taking a break :)

What are you talking about Obama666? I didn't tout the and 1. I just embedded the video…I agree he doesn't look sharp and as one if his biggest fans, I've alway called him out when I believe he deserved it. You can go back and read all of my posts for the last few years. Let's relax a bit and realize he is coming back from knee surgery. He has also been notoriously a bad practice player. For whatever reason, he steps his game up many notches when the bright lights are on. Would I like him to look better in practice? Yes, but I'm not going to overreact to a few lackluster practices per the few minutes we are seeing on video, no.

He's got his turbo boost back, he's drawing contact, he's playing intelligently, and he's conservative. I see a player who's playing with the assured air of a poised veteran, though his actual conditioning won't happen until after a few games are played.

I also see that Lin's Rockets teammates are trying to play together as a real TEAM. That's probably why Lin looks more relaxed - guys are doing their jobs. Maybe it's not the most talented Rockets squad, but their enthusiasm and athleticism will make up for a lot of shortcomings.

As far as I'm concerned, Jeremy Lin is having an EXCELLENT training camp. Soon we'll know how that translates into game effort and execution.

Oh mighty Admin, thank you for honoring me with a response and for respecting my opinion enough not to delete it :) KHuang on the other hand may not have been as kind as you :) I apologize if I have misrepresented you but by posting the video of his And 1 wouldn't this qualify as touting (please correct me if I'm wrong)? Also, I'm for the record not overreacting. I never extrapolated from the small sample size and stated some conclusion that he'll be a failure for this season or not be a star which he already is. I'm only calling out what I've seen after months of rehab and training over the summer. To me, each practice session should not be taken for granted and as he already has a guaranteed contract, he must assert himself more and play like he means it every second he's on the court- this is leading by example not taking it easy and throwing lazy passes that my grandmother could make. He was playing so lazy in the videos and some fanboys have to always rush to his defense like mother hens. Lol, aren't you guys the ones that are overreacting? Let's not take things out of context. I believe he'll do better but Lin needs a good kick in the butt not turn complacent and taking things easy or for granted which is my personal fear for him. He has all star skills and potential but there is a risk he will waste it if he's not careful and people keep pampering him. MJ famously thanked all his detractors, critics, etc when he made his hall of fame speech not his brown nosers or fanboys. Under the biggest NBA stars are fires that need to be flamed for them to have that competitive drive and passion.

So you're pissed at Lin, you're pissed off at our administrator, and you're pissed off at me.

Yet here you are taking abuse from all three of us, PUNKING YOURSELF. You've got a thick skin, kid!

You just can't figure out that training camp isn't the NBA finals, can you? Or that this is a Jeremy Lin site where people that know the game will call you out when you flame people for pointing out the simple truth that most players don't play like maniacs in training camp?

Um, no, I'm not pissed at Lin or the Admin. And I'm definitely not mad at you as speaking with you is like speaking to a little child and it amuses me. How am I punking myself? You do a great job all on your own. I never equated training camp with the NBA finals. Please stop making stuff up. Further, I never said he should play like a maniac. Man, stop being lazy and actually read for once in your life instead of spewing hate. Nothing I say is going to affect Lin anyway as he going to do what he wants. You need to chill out. And elite players play hard in practice. Most don't play like a maniac which is why most players don't have star careers or don't have a ring. MJ, KG, Kobe are a few spirited warriors who would definitely disagree with you. Please, stop kidding yourself. You don't own this site. You are simply the bully of this site. Get a life.

Here you are, ordering Administration around like the petulant little brat you are. They run the show, and you better get used to living under their rules here.

You have the utter gall to question Jeremy Lin's professionalism after all he's been through. He didn't get to where he is now by loafing, and you're too filled with hate to consider that he might simply be working hard and playing his way into shape the way the rest of the NBA has done for nearly an entire century.

Instead, you hate on Lin by criticizing his effort. Then you hate on Lin's fans when they remind you that Lin is a professional who has worked his butt off to get to and stay where he is.

There is a limit to how much work Lin can do in NBA training camp. And if you don't like being "bullied", go whine to Administration about it. You hate on them too anyway, so you can complain about that too.

The danger of projecting improvements in players is always there, because certain players are able to reach their potential, whereas certain "sure winners" end up not reaching their potential, or their highest potential ceiling is not high enough for NBA. I have seen this in other sports. All I know is that JLin has to be able to hit open jump shots for him to be successful in NBA in long term and be effective day in and out. His free throws look smoother in motion, but I don't see any improvements in his jump shots -- we will know better after 10 games into the season.

No, I said what I said regarding improvement in general. For example, no one could have predicted for certain that Steve Nash would improve quickly to become the Steve Nash we know now. In a similar vein, no one knows how far JLin can improve. JLin's ability to attack the rims has already been demonstrated, but I don't think he can and should be doing that all the time in order to score or shoot free throws, which means he better get his shooting percentage higher to pose a bigger offensive threat.

I don't see specific criticism. I do agree that there is an implication that at this point (yes, I know it's practice scrimmage), I don't see a noticeable improvement in his jump shots, even though I can see his foul throws shooting has gotten smoother.

I meant to say "improve", not "improve quickly". My main point is that some players in any sports seem to be able to climb higher and higher level. In other words, they constantly up their skills as they meet more competition, whereas some players (not saying JLin fall in this group) show some improvement and never go beyond that level. Therefore, two players who start at the same level can be at totally different levels in 5 years.

KHuang needs to chill and not pounce on every piece of bone thrown his way. Hate to burst some folk's bubble on here but Lin fan's are not homogeneous and some of us have tough love for the kid. Perhaps it has to do with upbringing. I was like KHuang a long time ago, a knee jerk kind of guy then I graduated from high school and realized this world is a big place with many different opinions. From the looks of it, KHuang has way too much time on his hands based on the volume of responses on this and previous threads. He only gives opinions of other's opinions. Lin can handle himself fine without your overprotective services.

Flameboy, you're the typical troll here just to hate on Lin and his fans.

What I do with my own time is none of your business. Clearly you didn't learn THAT lesson from graduating high school, but I'll teach it to you right now.

You don't give a crap about Lin, but you come onto this Lin site to flame his fans? Start whining now because I'm gonna start firing right back at you.

Unlike you, I have no tough love for Lin. That's because you are a crazed fan who thinks he OWNS Lin and his fans. You outta consider how insane you sound, thinking you can influence Lin and his fans because you think the whole world revolves around your self centered opinions.

Um, stop projecting KHuang, lol. Please get your facts straight. I was on this site before Lin even got his first deal with the Warriors. In fact, I was following him since he was still at Harvard. What's your address by the way? I can send you some tissue paper since it's obvious the truth hurts. You definitely have way too much time on your hands as evidenced by the multitude of threads you have posted and you hate more than the haters . You are way too extreme. That is the truth. Folks like me are a little more moderate and don't place him on some unassailable pedestal. As I said, the best players always use criticism as motivation and is the reason they are elite. I have a feeling your parents were always making excuses for you which is now reflected in your behavior.

As constantly has been explained to you by folks here with real patience, you have no idea how hard NBA players work in training camp or what training camp is all about. Then you cry and moan when your twisted world view doesn't match up with reality.

And this "projecting" thing? Take a long hard look in the mirror at whatever body part you most admire about yourself. Here you are projecting your twisted fantasies onto my PARENTS and you're calling out others for "projecting reality"? You're one twisted sister with a warped sense of self inflatable reality.

Go back to your little world, for the real world doesn't take kindly to being forced to conform to your deluded paranoia.

Take a chill pill, bro. I am moderate exactly because I have given good and bad opinions on Lin. This is not only moderate but realistic. You on the other hand, I'll let your own writing speak for itself. Please deal with reality not what fantasies and basically shots in the dark about me. You don't know anything about me- this is fact. You're lazy- this is fact as you don't do your own research and rely on others. You are the one delusional- this is fact as you commence ad hominem attacks without a single, confirmable fact about me. I do know how hard some elite players work in training camp which is why I find it troublesome that fanboys such as you cry like a little baby and find a need to pamper him. He's a grown man and can handle the bad and the good. Stop playing mother hen, lol. Btw, bet YOU took a long, hard look and couldn't find anything down there :)

At least I'm not like you making insane projections about what people do in their lives.

Your hatred of Lin and his fans is beyond anything I've seen anywhere.

Unlike you, I have GREAT RESPECT for the extremely intelligent people that post here. I come from a research background and have no problem using the information people post here. When you get into academia, you'll notice that research is routinely taken from others and credit is duly given. Since I am amazed by the thoughtful and thorough analysis here, I have no problem getting facts here and learning from the intelligence of the people I admire that post here.

As far as your sick twisted fantasies go, it's clear that a sadistic psychopath like you is fixated on what's between guy's legs. Even if you are a woman, that's pretty messed up.

I have been a long time observer on this board and this is my first time posting. I too agree that JLin looks off and doesn't look like a $25 mil superstar at the moment. The proof is in the pudding when you look at Parsons and how smooth he operates. People need to take off their JLin-colored glasses and see the reality once in a while. A true JLin supporter will support him no matter if he is a superstar or not. He has already made millions of Asian Americans proud by what he has accomplished.

I believe that Lin has enough competitive fire in him to keep improving, plus he plays with a chip on his shoulder. How many jump shots has he taken in the last two days? Hard to be motivated in practice environment. Also don't know if his plays were determined by coaches to try out various scenerios.

Remember last year before Linsanity how we were worrying about every little thing that Jeremy was doing wrong. And how we over analyze everything because there were so little to analyze.

I say let us enjoy the play and enjoy the process. I trust that God will lead Jeremy through another amazing NBA season, good or bad. And we will be blessed to be Jeremy's supporters as we watch his new journey.

I do not believe that God leads anyone through an amazing NBA season, although I believe one's sincere belief in God may play an important factor in having an amazing NBA season. I have a hard time imagining God looking at basketball games and saying "Hmm . . . let's make sure LeBron misses crucian shots until he becomes more humbled and go to church and pray more to me." :)

For Christians we believe that God is with us all the time. The Holy Spirit is a sign that we are not alone. It's amazing how some of us look back at our lives and see His fingerprints leading us to where we are.

I don't think God will sabotage anyone to make them more humble. Contrary His Grace changes us and leads us to real repentance.

Another great example of how religion separates people. Not just that its labeling people... jewish kid, christian kid, muslim kid, evil atheist kid who goes to hell for not being baptised.

Religion is also like Santa Clause. Only that you wont stop believing once you have passed the age of five. Imagine a 20 year old guy who talks of Santa Clause the way believers talk about god... there he is Santa Clause - watching over me...

You may be asking what my problem is. Let me elaborate. If you asume that the holy spirit is with us and that "his" fingerprints are leading us - you also have to asume that his fingerprints are all over the lifes of the children who were burned alive in Auschwitz, the kid in Africa or North-Korea who is starving to death as we speak, the little girls who have been abducted, raped and slowly tortured to death or burried alive by Mark Dutroux. Imagine just for a secont that it was your child - imagine god was with her all the time. Have you ever seen a child who was shaking in pain as cancer popped its eye?

You see - to claim that god is responsible for the good in your life is too claim that god is responsible for the bad in other peoples lifes - or at least god has chosen not to intervene in those peoples lifes as he chose to affect your life. Does it mean youre better than those who live to suffer?

I dont deny the existence of god. I cant disprove god (neither can you prove otherwise) but then again - I cant disprove the existence of the teapot either. Im talking about the teapot with your name engraved on it that is in orbit around jupiter. No way I can disprove it.

But then again - I reject the teachings of a church with a leader who claims to be Jesus devinely chosen representative on earth. A man who hates gay people, dislikes women, hides criminals (who concealed child abuse cases) in the vatican, who is responsible for the suffering of billions of people and yet claims to be infallible.

Really - Im not cruel enough to be faithful as religios people are. No blame. Most religios people arent confronted with these thoughts in their lifes so they simply dont know that they are cruel.

My point is - JLin is great for what he does and who he is. He is succefful because of that. That includes his faith what I of course respect. Talking about gods fingerprint is a highly risky thing. You may have intended to praise god but is has other results as well. The way to hell is paved with good intentions and god should be in our hearts - not on our tongues.

I strongly believe that what little footage we saw of Lin's shaky play does not presage a bad season for him. It might carry into the preseason a little bit, but once the regular season starts, another motor will click in and he will give us a little surprise. Here's hoping :]

How did a year make? I remember last year Lin was probably the hardest worker and best player in the Rockets training camp, but he still got cut. I think he then knows better than anyone how training camp doesn't mean anything. Leave it to those who try to fight for a roster/rotation spot. He himself has already secured everything. Lol.

Sorry Cara but wrong attitude. Kevin Garnett, ever heard of him? He was notorious for practicing like there's no tomorrow. Training camp doesn't mean anything? Tell that to the Heat, Lakers, Thunder, Spurs. You obviously don't know anything about training camps. Anyway, it's not about him making the team now but about how he leads and executes in training camp which is the first step in a long season but a step that you choose to diminish here for some unknown reason. Are you suggesting the teams should make it optional not mandatory to attend training? How do you think elite teams become elite in the first place?

Training camps are important and are taken seriously by every NBA team, but intrasquad scrimmages are not played at the same intensity or with even the same personnel as regular season games.

Teams actively avoid injury by sitting out star players or limiting their practicing. Kevin Garnett is no exception to that rule, having missed his share of practices throughout his career as all NBA veterans have.

Jeremy Lin is playing and practicing as intensely as any NBA player is expected to practice in training camp. He's involved in all the drills. He's taking hits in scrimmages. He's coaching the younger guards. He seems to be just as active as Kevin Garnett or any other NBA veteran in training camp typically is. Lin isn't even sitting out practices like many NBA veterans are forced to do during training camp.

Using Lin's perceived lack of intensity to flame others here is TRUE ignorance of what actually goes on in NBA training camps. Lin's working as hard as any NBA player is working, though the casual YMCA fan cannot understand that.

Blah, blah, blah. Were you at the training camp or just regurgitating what others have written? Do you know JLin personally? Please, inject some originality and by the way, I'll say what's up to your mom and pop next time I take a leak at the YMCA. By the way, there is no "perceived" lack of intensity. I can recommend a good eye doctor since you obviously need one.

K-larious! K-sanity! Touched a few nerves have I, old buddy? No, there's nothing wrong with regurgitating facts but there is something not quite right when you repeat the same word over and over as if you assume your audience doesn't understand what you're spewing or that somehow repeating the same thing will make it fact- this could be due to low self esteem as you are always imposing your will on others or speak in condescending tones or could be that you're simply batty. I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet. You seem like the troll's troll. Maybe I'll call you K-troll from now on :) Isn't it way past your bedtime?

Just one problem... Jesus said the same things over and over again. Buddha preached the same teachings over and over again. Ghandi and Suu Kyi and Mandela - very persistent in their ways. According to your views - everyone who is passionate about something should qualify for a residence at the local asylum, right?

Anyway - Im with you bro. After all - KHuang shows other signs of mental disturbance, oh yeah. First he watches a 30 second footage and bickers about JLins performance though JLin scored. From there he goes straight to claiming that the season will be a disaster. Then he claims that JLin is a failure and then he starts to insult all the people who make the "its just day 2 of training camp" argument. Hold on hold on. Wait a minute... It wasnt KHunag. My bad!

Let me guess Obama666. You have a degree in analytic psychology right? Where did you graduate from? Was it evening school or did you just mail order it? Cause - you really dont seem to be the shy-asian-kind-of-guy. You know - the kind of guy who would actually graduate from college...

Yep - envious? Dont conceal it. You ve been wanting this all along. Why else would you sent me explicit messages with pictures of your mircodingdong.

BTW:

Since youre combining the black presidents name with the devils number and taking into account that you have a relish for the "K" and continuosly bash JLin - the one asian bball player we have - I must ask... are you a member of the clan?

You do know that people can trace you back to the computer youve been writing your messages on. Just mentioning it... in case the FBI comes for a visit...

I have to agree with TVN. Also, please read my post above. Him looking relaxed and playing that way are what concerns me and others. He can't be that shy nerd from Harvard anymore. Can you name any top caliber guards on elite teams taking it easy?

Man, you really need to get a life. Did you really look at all the posts from me and TVN? So sad. Because if you did in fact check my posts over these years, it would prove you wrong. You're the one that sounds insane going off on anyone who has a different opinion or you perceive to have slighted your god.

No, I'm only replying to your flaming. It's called a reaction? Maybe you've heard of it. You're the one being psychotic obviously. I did post today as I took the day off from work but limited to this day unlike your biblical prose which as stretched many a thread. I don't do pretend as evidenced by speaking my 2 cents. If you can't handle the kitchen, get the heck out as they say. I'm only flaming you by the way cause you have been bullying people and someone needs to tell you to stop. You have never respected anyone's opinion outside of the ultra fanboy mentality. Haven't you noticed that this world is about variety? Oh wait, you probably drink homogenous milk, I forgot and can't think outside your little world of fantasy where you're the King. I'm a mean spirited hater due to a few sentences when the majority of my comments from the past several years have been positive? Sorry but he was looking shy in practice and he is an Asian and a Nerd so how is that flaming for stating the facts (he's also a jock so that's the best combo but I get it, you are sensitive about the Nerd part cause you're probably a big one for all the time you got on your hands)? And about hunting, you're the only prey, bro. A prey doesn't and can't hunt the predator- this proves you are delusional and psychotic. You annoy the heck out of me and others and I've run out of patience. Putting words in caps makes your statement more true or factual? What other quotes can you bring up that confirms I'm a Jlin hater? You take things out of context- this is fact. CONVENIENT. HOW UTTERLY CONVENIENT :)

Here you are, flaming Lin's effort in training camp when he's obviously trying to play NBA basketball the right way.

Then you flame guys like me and Administration who have the GALL to say that Lin is doing just fine the way countless NBA veterans have before him in not killing themselves in training camp.

In your closeted little world, you hunt people and they don't hunt you back. But in the real world, you hunt people like me and they come after you. Had you stayed respectful and not tried to flame people or comment on their body parts, you'd be sitting at home doing whatever you do to yourself instead of talking about human sexuality here.

I know you think Lin is a "shy Asian nerd" even though he's actually a BRASH COCKY ASIAN JOCK that other jocks in the NBA respect as one of their own. Once again, your twisted opinion of what you want Lin to be clouds your perception of reality. Lin wouldn't have become a NBA star if he indeed was as unprofessional about practice and as wimpy meek as you wished him to be.

I don't know you and don't want to. Yet you think you know me, even trying to proclaim what kind of milk I drink. Look at your own words and learn from yourself how DEMENTED your fantasies actually are.

And it looks like some folks are already bashing him on Clutch Fans. If Lin struggles out of the gate, they going to get loud. Every turnover will be dissected; every defensive lapse will be scrutinized. That's the pressure that comes with signing a big deal.

No need to care so much about what they said on Clutchfans. The people over there from the site owner to the posters love Dragic and are still butthurt at the Rockets signing Lin over him. They hate Lin no matter what he does.

Leading by example does not mean you talk the most or make no mistakes. He is a player like everyone else. He has to get his rythm back after the break, find chemnistry with his teammates and get some routine. If thats not ok what is ok? People should not blame JLin for their false asumptions expectations or ignorance.

Also - who made those videos and how do we know its not a hater who cut out the good JLin moments? JLin is there to play and live his life. Not to make you or me look good on clutch-fans forum.

Besides - haters hate. Brainless haters bicker about everything all the time - wether there is game, a video or what not. If people already bash him on clutch fans it only proves they are idiots. How can you judge a player by 3 minutes of footage? It just proves how brainless people are.

but 25 mil are 25 mil man! The haters - oops - I mean critics are right. One can expect that JLin would at least have one tripple double against another NBA team by now.

I mean - its day 3 of training camp man - day 3 for gods sake! The fact that they havent had a game against another team yet is really NO excuse. JLin could have flown in another NBA team just so he can defeat them with his teammates - and make me look good on clutch fans. The fact that he hasnt done so shows hes lazy, poor and greedy. It shows there is a lag of commitment and initiative.

SARCASM MODE OFF

I dont understand these folks. Watch them NBA teams warm up before games. Kobe misses a ball or two or eight - noone says anything. Nash misses a shot - noone says anything. Melo misses 10 shots in a row - during a game - nope - all good. JLin misses one shot at day 2 of training camp and the whole wide world goes nuts - everybodies talking about a bad season. No wait a minute - its not the whole wide world. Its just some lunatics who dont have a life - and cant play ball.

I dont get it. Its like they see JLin fail before the season has even started. They cant wait to be the first to claim it. I bet these guys are always like that. During copulation I bet they raise their hands hands and scream "Im the winner - yeah - I came first - I won"

They all predicted Jeremy Lin would be a scrub who has no business stepping on a NBA court because he's Asian.

But then Lin blew up in their faces and made their predictions look stoopid. SELF PUNK'D!!!

Now those same haters are fervently wishing that Lin fails so that they can say "See, we were right Lin was a scrub all along. He got LUCKY when he had his run. There's no chance he'll succeed with the Rockets."

Look at it this way: Goran (Zoran or however you spell it) Dragic was Houston's Linsanity last year .... He came off the bench for an to replace an injured Kyle Lowry and instantly dazzled the crowd. They grew attached to there out-of-nowhere hero. Just like New Yorkers fell in love with Lin. Of course the difference is that the Knicks made the playoffs, and Dragic is an older veteran player who was traded for. Still, the feeling is the same in Houston. They didn't want their overnight star to leave .... And they are deeply critical of his replacement in Lin .... Who is now playing the Raymond Felton role, with shoes to fill.

Well said ABC Baller. Just a bit too polite for my taste. What you basicly say is that these haters are morons who dont give a man the chance he deserves cause they wish they had someone else instead.

What they dont get is that JLin cant be blamed for the Rockets roster. If they are mad they should take it out on someone else.

Also - lets say JLin does his magic and delivers a more than solid performance throughout the season. What are these Rocket-fans going to do? They cant all of a sudden be JLin fans - not after what they have said and done. OOOOppps...

Remember when Jimmer tore up preseason? Most everyone was calling him "the real deal." But once the actual NBA season started, he struggled mightily. Now he doesn't even look like he belongs on an NBA roster.

Meanwhile, the guy everyone said "isn't athletic"..."didn't impress in workouts"..."was so-so in Portsmouth"..."can't run the point at the NBA level"...that guy went on to average 18 and 8 as a starter (despite all the coaching turmoil and Melo-drama).

Good point. If i can add something.... Training affects the way you play: some people tend to become rusty after an hard training and others continue to play really good. It depends... As football fan too there are some players during summer friendly matches who look great but when season start disappear. There are top players instead who are rusty in pre season but in games that matter they're in frontline... Take these games just likematches between, in italy we say scapoli e ammogliati (singles and marrieds :D) ... Let's wait halloween at least or the saints' day which is better :D

McHale has had his blunders, but he's had his successes too. He was absolutely right when he said that MN was making a mistake by letting him go so that David Kahn could ruin the franchise with his awful decisionmaking.

Re: After last year what to expect of Lin going forward: McHale-- "Look, as in all things in life, there's a happy medium. He's a lot better than the guy that got let go twice but I'm not sure he's at that level for 82 games, it was a phenomenal level but he's playing well. We're going to rely on him a lot to run our offense make plays and make shots and just be effective for us. He's gonna have a lot of responsibility."

Where's Aids Bike and his marvelous statistical analysis when we need him?

Since eb5attorney finds it "interesting" that Coach McHale doesn't think Lin can maintain that "phenomenal" level for 82 games, maybe Aids Bike could come up with a short list of players who maintained that kind of level for 82 games.

Off the top of my head, I can think of a few guys who have played at that level for 82 games. Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar are the players I think of.

Personally, I wouldn't be shook up if Jeremy Lin simply turned out to be a solid PG who plays efficiently and is of positive net worth to his team.

I also would not be "shook up" if Jeremy Lin turned out to be a solid PG who plays efficiently and is of positive net worth to his team. And that is what I am projecting JLin to be, a solid PG who contributes to his team on and off the court.

I never call out any people for making any prediction, as long as they don't start calling names or lying. As I consistently said on this board I believe JLin will be a contributing starter but have my doubt as to whether he can become top 20 or even top 30 player in NBA for the entire season -- I believe that many of JLin fans feel the same way. Unlike Larry Brown, who said he thinks JLin will end up as a solid back-up, I believe he will be a solid starter but will have a hard time reaching the Parker, Rondo level.

I first saw JLin play during his Senior year at Harvard and followed him from then, and I honestly said to myself "Hey, he can be starter at NBA."

I am just amazed that people like ebattorney think Rajon Rondo is this greay point guard who's way better than Jeremy Lin (Rondo PER 15ish, Lin PER 19ish).

It's hilarious watching Rondo play. Teams leave Rondo so unguarded that I once saw Kobe Bryant stand in the lane for over 10 seconds while Rondo dribbled around on the 3 point line afraid to shoot. Only because Kobe is a "superstar" does he not get repeatedly called for thise 3 second violations when he's assigned to Rondo. Meanwhile teams are so terrified of Lin getting the ball that he's getting double and triple teamed the instant Lin crosses halfcourt.

Tony Parker is another guy who is fun to watch. When you watch a Spurs game, defenses are so focused on Tim Duncan that all 5 defenders basically go wherever Duncan goes. There are all these yawning gaps on the court because teams make sure Duncan is surrounded at all sides at all times. Parker runs around in those gaps and does his thing.

Across the board, neither player produces in as many statistical categories as Lin does. Yet those guys are somehow supposed to be better than Lin in those categories as well, according to eb5attorney.

This is a Lin site where fans of Lin like myself are veteran NBA observers who can distinguish cherrypickers like Parker and Rondo from truly dominant basketball players like Lin. Were Lin a cherrypicker who relies solely on Hall of Famers to generate shots and income for him, there's no way I'd even waste my time being here on jeremylin.net!

Obviously Lin is not getting it done in your eyes. You need to find a new website to hate on Lin with or a new player who is up to your standard. I'm sorry Lin is KILLING YOU this preseason.

How about these trade scenarios?

1) Trade you and Royce White to the Knicks for Stephen A Smith and Steve Novak. You can b!tch about Lin to Knick fans and Novak can shoot 3s for Lin. We here can then hang Smith up here and use him as out punching bag.

2) Do a three way blockbuster deal in which you are sent to the Knicks to complain about Lin to welcoming ears, Scott Machado gets sent to Atlanta to play for their D league affiliate, and Lin's Knick Jedi master Kenny Atkinson gets sent to Houston as Lin's personal cram school tutor (it's an Asian THANG).

"Maybe Aids Bike could come up with a short list of players who maintained that kind of level for 82 games."

Thanks guys, I'm glad my work has been appreciated. I can tell you unequivocally that in the past 27 years, the only players that have averaged per 36 19+ points, 8+ assists and 2+ steals over the majority of an entire season (70+ straight games) is a very short one: Clyde Drexler 1985-86, Tim Hardaway 1990-91, Kevin Johnson 1990-91, Chris Paul 2007-08 & 2008-09, and Isiah Thomas 1985-86.

Given that only one player on your list is still playing in the NBA, I'm continue to YAWN at McHale's statement that Lin cannot maintain that "phenomenal" level over 82 games.

The misperception here is that people think that diehard Lin fans like me UNREALISTICALLY expect Lin to be a superstar every night. The reality is that we Lin fans are veteran basketball observers who know that even superstars like Steve Nash and Deron Williams have Lin-like letdowns against teams like the Miami Heat. So we know Lin is going to have his ups and downs, just like every great point guard has had.

The other misperception about us Lin fans is that people think they can get us riled up by pointing out quotes they perceive as criticism but are actually innocuous matter of fact statements about the harsh realities of NBA basketball that we Lin fans totally agree with. I agree 100% with McHale's statement that Lin probably can't sustain his phenomenal pace of last season over 82 games, and now that I've seen Aids Bike's research I'd say that NO OTHER NBA PG is capable of sustaining that pace either!!!

You are sad. Can't do your own research. Your parents must be very proud of you. What an overachiever. This is the irony- you have all this time but can't bother to check the facts on your own. You know what this kind of behavior is called? Laziness.

Here you go again, wasting your breath hating on the facts and the people like me that accept them.

Your problem is that instead of accepting the kind of reality that Aids Bike posted here for you, you angrily hate reality because it destroys your ill guided intention to feel superior over others by humiliating them with your twisted world view.

When you have gained in years and experience, kid, you will learn that battling reality only will result in more pain on yourself. Learn from me and EMBRACE reality simply because you'll incur less pain on yourself.

Hate me and Aids Bike's information if you want. Go ahead. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences of defying reality.

Lol, K-troll! Are you illiterate cause I'm starting to think you can't read. I only commented on you being lazy for not doing your own research which is fact. And trying to take someone else's research as your own? Another flight of fancy. "Just be prepared to deal with the consequences of defying reality."- what the heck are you smoking at this hour? Again, please stop with the caps and that goes for your devoted follower Willydilly :) By the way, I don't remember you guys when this fan site first started. You both are just bandwagon fans and like to troll on here so please find another site.

It is a HONOR for me to learn from knowledgeable members here like Aids Bike who have repeatedly shown their basketball acumen in the past.

I needed to learn something I didn't know, so I asked an expert here with documented success in researching this kind of topic. Then when the expert delivered his analysis, I thanked him for it. Knowledge is not the exclusive property of only a few select elites.

I will use this opportunity here to THANK all of the people here who post such great stuff not just about Lin, but about basketball and life in general. Even from the guys that don't like me, I still learn a lot.

When I come to this site, good or bad I feel smarter afterwards. I see no shame or condemnation in that.

I dont remember you when this fan site first started. Youre just a troll - a JLin stalker who follows the fans around to flame and bash JLin. Stop sending me pictures of your microdingdong. I cant help you. Please see a doctor.

Anyone care to guess at this point his average GAME stats (regardless of the minutes played) during this year's season? I want to put on record so we can refer to some evidence as to who was more correct. I am going to guess:

21.9 points per game? If he plays like that during this 2012 ~ 2013 season, I would be the first one to say JLin should be ranked top 20 or higher next year and that JLin is definitely headed to an All-star level.

Jeremy's going to have to play off the ball more than he'd like as teams will double-team, overplay and trap him to get the ball out of his hands. So he'll have to go for the "hockey assist" more than last year.

HOWEVER...Jeremy will also get more opportunities to score. The Rockets don't have a reliable post-scorer yet, so Jeremy will be relied upon to get into the paint and get buckets/FTs.

He'll make the All-Star team...and deserve it. He won't deserve to start (though he likely will), but he'll deserve to be the 3rd PG on the squad as much as any other Western Conference PG (CP3 and Westbrook are locks for #1 and #2...then it's wide open competition after that).

KHuang, give Hollinger some credit. I mean at least he's not one of those doubters that thinks that Lin will "regress to the mean" or "come down to earth" because "the league will catch up to him" or whatever. Historically speaking, Hollinger's predictions don't seem that far off. I still working on my analysis on Lin's 2011-12 campaign, but I'm tentatively putting my guess at 18 points, 8 assists, 2 steals an 4 TOs.

He had a close to All-star stats playing for Knicks. 17.1 points and 9 assists per game -- that's impressive. Therefore, I believe JLin will be somewhere in the middle between Raymond Felton and Parker level.

Your comment is what I can only imagine is a conscious non sequitur which starts with a theory of star PGs and season/post-season comparative stats, followed by Ray Felton's stats, and "therefore" Lin will be between Felton and Parker. Masterful. ;)

I can tell you're trolling, but hey, it's gonna be damn boring until preseason starts. Somewhere in there is a ham-handed comparison of Lin to Felton. The response to this particular troll is that comparing a player's first starts to a cherry-picked selection of another player's best range of starts is neither logically nor statistically justified.

I was surprised at Felton's stats when he played for Knicks -- so I am not cherry-picking but comparing to Felton's stats when he played for the same team that JLin played for. Very convenient to say someone is trolling. Anyway, we will be able to see how things turn out when the season starts.

One more thing. If you look at Felton's stats on playoff games, they are lower than his regular games stats. This is one reason why I do not consider him to be a good PG, although no one can deny that his stats look very good when he played around 60 games for Knicks. From what I have seen, playoff games are another level.

Yes, it's a jlin fan site, but some people to me seem quick to label others as haters for making critical comments about how jlin is playing. To me, making critical comments doesn't mean that they don't support jlin. jlin himself says there are several area that he knows he needs to improve.

yes, it's the preseason. the players do not know the system yet. the play making are not at top notch yet, but that doesn't mean we can't have critical comments on them as long as we take that into account. there is just really not a lot news out there. i visit this site and several other rox sites several times a day for any new jlin or rox news.

there might be on occasion trolls that shows up, but to me, some of the ones getting attacked have some legit reasoning to back up their comments.

personally, i like some of these critical comments so we can have some healthy discussions on why someone might see it a certain way. however, if the site owner prefers to only have fans that worship jlin, then he/she should declare that and some of us should seek other venues for discussion, but I think then this site might become very boring or extreme hostile when the occasional trolls come by.

Yeah, but a lot of the trolls here have a long HISTORY of flaming people.

It's common knowledge that many trolls here are here only to flame Lin and his fans.

We veteran Lin members here know exactly who's been trolling here for months and who has a healthy difference of opinion. Many of us are involved in repeated battles with these trolls that think s here are nothing but bunch of idiots who are wastig their time supporting Lin.

JW, I was replying to our resident #1 fanboy KHuang, professor of all things JLin and the NBA :) I agree with your assessment. Too much hating on haters. What a vicious cycle. I am being called out for being a hater and troll when nothing could be further from the truth. I haven't posted in a while since I have a life but when I make a negative comment, the fanboys come out and spew all this hate. Is this what JLin has taught us? JLin respects all opinions, good or bad, and he takes the bad as motivation. It's actually healthy for him in my opinion. All these fanboys are so obsessive that any slight deviation will set their world on fire, lol. I was one of the original posters who predicted Lin would not only earn a contract but become an all star (and I might add, I think he'll get a ring down the line). KHuang, who made you judge, jury and king?

To certain extent, I am in agreement with some of your comments. However, I(many other fans too, perhaps) find your tone way too sarcastic. Remember this is Jlin's fansite. So even if you'd like to voice your negative comments that might motivate JLin, you could have say them in a more refined way.

Hi Janelin7, I respect your opinion and thanks for replying but I think some fans are being a bit too sensitive. I'm not going to change my straight shooters approach to commenting as it is my opinion and let's just say I'm not gay nor am I a female so forgive me if I'm not "refined" enough for those of you with thin skin. If I'm being sarcastic, it's in response to KHuang's spew of hatred on any deviation from his view of the world. Why don't you reign in KHuang's sarcasm or outright condescending tone for fairness sake?

Some of these critics have a point? Alright - who would that be and whats the point? Seeing a 30 second video and prediciting a whole season from that and claiming that JLin play on YMCA level? You realise thats what they do?

People are entitled to their own opinion and real fans can and should criticise. But if they do this by looking into their glas ball and pull stuff out of their bottom its pointless and therefor dumb. I surely hope you guys never get jury duty. That will result in inoccent people getting the e-chair.

Say what you will - it doesnt change the facts. But then again - if you judge the guy by a 30 second video in which he scores... you dont care about facts what again - makes you dumb. It takes a lot of ignorance to do something like that. JLin is a pro athlete. Hes not your son who does the things you wish you could do. Stop acting like ruthless soccer moms. Stop whining just because he missed a shot on a one minute video.

You know what - I apologize not just for myself but also in KHuangs name. We dont call these people haters anymore. We call them "milf" -> "most idiotic Lin fans". Cause - thats what they are if they claim to be a fan (fanatic) and then again pull such crxp

@Obama666:

Dont know what JLin has taught you but he certainly has his pride. If he knew there are people who whine and bash and bicker about a 30 second video he surely would reject these people. Dont know what book you read but when Jesus was scorned by his disciple he rejected him too.

Noone made KHuang a fanboy and he doesnt think he is judge, jury or king. He is just using common sense to depict people watching a scrimmage on day 2 of training camp claiming JLin is a failure. Yeah - that makes people morons. Right. Looked into a mirror recently?

I think we have a misapprehension here. Haters are the ones who think they are better than Lin, better than McHale and better than those who are REALLY critical. They look at 30 seconds of shaky footage and predict the whole season. They doubt them all. Yes - thats what makes a hater.

Those of us who look at the same footages and say -> "regular training camp - nothing special" are the real critics. We wait and see. But hey... cant change your mind. People who hate and at the same time victimize themselves have a problem that only doctors than fix.And by the way - it seems like youre one of these people I talked about... always wanting to be the first to say this or the first to claim that...

Completely agree with Obama666. Time and again name calling starts the moment a differing opinion is offered. That type of behavior completely degrades this site. There should be parental controls to keep emotionally labile 5 year olds from posting here.

Off topic. But here is a nice video share with you.http://www.spike.com/video-clips/ys2umw/all-access-weekly-ethan-hawke-extended-interview

Director Ethan Hawke sits down with Katie Linendoll to discuss his new film “Sinister,” debuting October 12th, as well as his love of all things New York sports, his heartbreak over Jeremy Lin’s departure and how the Knicks handled it (“they spit in the face of fans”), plus much more.

Off topic. But here is a nice video share with you.http://www.spike.com/video-clips/ys2umw/all-access-weekly-ethan-hawke-extended-interview

Director Ethan Hawke sits down with Katie Linendoll to discuss his new film “Sinister,” debuting October 12th, as well as his love of all things New York sports, his heartbreak over Jeremy Lin’s departure and how the Knicks handled it (“they spit in the face of fans”), plus much more.

Being in the league over thirty years I dont know if I have ever seen something like that. being where he was, being let go and being let go by another team. Then being on the bench and not playing to coming in and doing that was unreal.

I actually found a way even on the road to go to sports bars and watch him just cause i was interested.

And what about now?

Look, as in all things in life, there's a happy medium. He's a lot better than the guy that got let go twice but I'm not sure he's at that level for 82 games, it was a phenomenal level but he's playing well. We're going to rely on him a lot to run our offense make plays and make shots and just be effective for us. He's gonna have a lot of responsibility.

1) Rondo is great his wingspan is amazing and his hands are huge. Plus he's fast he likes to pass a lot he's creative take rebounds.... 46 points in a ecf it's not easy to achieve. But i agree he has to learn to shoot well.

2) felton stats lie. Felton played with d'antoni so if you want to compare them with lin's ones you should get the stats during linsanity

3) just preseason no matter What you see

4) be unite in love like Lin teaches. People gonna hate or flame or troll, we must be unite.

It's beautiful thinking about here in europe is morning in asia is evening and in america is night.... Basketball never stops and got no borders too :D

Spotless, I agree with most of your points taking exception to people gonna hate or flame or troll. Not everyone falls into this category. Some of us actually care about JLin's progress to the point we can get overbearing and critical sometimes but we mean him well and just want to kick his butt a little if he seems to be off his game. We all agree he's a talented player with a great opportunity. I just personally don't want to see him waste his chance since he seems complacent after his deal was in place. Many NBA players get fat and lazy after they sign that big deal and they were hard workers before. Expressing a concern is not hating nor flaming nor trolling. Yes, we are all united in our admiration and support for him but need to call out that it's his bad when we see it just like a friend would do. I just wish some die hard fan boys would realize this and read with an open mind instead of retaliating when an opinion differs. There's a world of difference in being a YES man or woman and someone who speaks their mind. Even if people hate, flame or troll, I say let them. They have been proven wrong and will continue to be wrong. Look, it's like a brilliant violinist who needs a nudge once in a while for slacking off or taking it easy. 5 days before the 1st pre-season game, a statement game and I hope that the upcoming videos will show progress, that is all.

That would have been a marvelous post, obama666, were it not for the fact that you still couldn't resist your overriding urge to CRITICIZE people here.

I have great respect for the wealth of knowledge and the quality of people here. Most of us are experienced basketball watchers that have been NBA fans for decades. We are not paid professionals, but many of us have quality insights that I enjoy learning from on a daily basis.

We may be Lin fans here, but let's not kid ourselves about how we can do NOTHING to change Lin's game. Lin is a pro who knows how to succeed. He's being coached by the best coaches in the world. Lin and his work colleagues know what they're doing and DON'T need our advice!

Most of us Lin fans are pleased with how Lin is playing in Houston's training camp. We've seen our share of preseason experiences go, so we know that Lin's effort is typical and expected. We also understand that not everybody agrees with that, and all I can say is watch the NBA long enough and you'll see how training camp really works.

I don't worship Lin and he's not even my favorite basketball player (Tim Duncan is). I'm nothing more than a slavk jawed admirer of Lin who enjoying watching him succeed against overwhelming obstacles.

K-Troll and WillyNilly, you both imo don't deserve a voice here. You guys don't represent the fanbase and we don't need your fascist mentality. Hope the Administrator takes notice and gives these guys a warning. They are running amok. People's opinions, especially negative, can be dealt with in a more respectful way without resorting to name calling and down right mean spirited assumptions. I regret regressing to their level but someone has to stand up to their bullying ways. New fans will get the impression this whole thing has turned into a cult.

You IMHO dont deserve a voice here. You dont represent anyone. Noone needs your evil fascist mentality here. How dare you combine the presidents name with the devils number? You seem to hate not just asians but black people also. What is your problem?

Stop combining other peoples names with your "K" thing. We dont want nothing to do with your tripple k group.

You are the one flaming here with 2 word sentences. If youre not ok with critical people you should elaborate and make your point instead of flaming.

UNKNOWN or whatever your other screennames are - stop it now! Youve been bashing JLin on knicks.com and you followed people around since. Youre a stalker an like I wrote months ago - people should log your IPs and ban your Network adresses. Seek help for gods sake. Just because there are people who dont agree with you you dont have to spreads lias like the devil himself. Then again - what can you expect from someone with the 666 in his name...

May I please suggest that you start a forum? With a forum people can register, registered people can be banned. Forum software can trace, log IPs and network adresses. It makes it easy to ban people. IPs and network adresses today are just as good as peoples passport. This way we can discuss sports and JLin and related stuff withour having to deal with these mentally challenged people who think its fun to bash JLin or JLin fans.

I myself am having a GREAT TIME posting here. Even through the fights, I still appreciate the privilege of being allowed to post here.

I think Administration is doing a wonderful job. This is their site and they can ban or keep whoever they want. That includes you and me.

I actually enjoy posting in "conversation" with you and look forward to more thoughtful posts. Believe it or not, I respect you even though I can't stand you. You're a worthy opponent and have good valid views of the game that I just happen to violently disagree with.

This is my favorite forum I've ever participated on in any subject. I love being here!!!

WillyNilly, you are so paranoid I feel bad for you actually. You must have been abused as a child and bullied in school so you think the whole world's after you. Your shots are so off the mark but that's what happens when you don't deal with reality.

it's pretty clear that JLin is not 100% fit. we all sort of suspected this when he visited Asia last month. he didn't even dominate the way he should against all those taiwanese scrubs. i think he over-worked his body with the 3 - 5 hours practice a day during those visits. last night he wasn't even in the scrimmage, instead he was getting a massage.

Its hard to guage where his conditioning is..we know he works super hard. The footage that Jason Friedman has putt up of Lin always seems to be the "worst" (turn overs, missed shots etc). I dont get that are those the ONLY video's he has? I'm just saying out of the 12 min of video from day 1 he posted mostly the bad stuff and said jeremy had a bad day on day 1 and day 2. Maybe so I dont know. Watching some of the day 2 video, I thought jlins body language wasnt good (like he was frustrated with himself)...Just an observation.

I believe he will be fine in the end but I think these early games will be a progression.

How many games do you think before we see JLin back to last season's form? I think somewhere in the 15 game mark.

Playing for a championship Hall of fame player like Kevin McHale is a whole different experience from playing for Coaches D'Antoni and Woodson in NY.

In NY, the Knicks had a team filled with veterans who entered the season out of shape and remained that way to the end. Plus those jaded veterans have done as they pleased all their careers without accountability, and that's how they were readily acquirable by the Knicks to begin with. So Jeremy Lin would probably be considered in OUTSTANDING SHAPE by Knick old veteran standards.

However, Kevin McHale is a much more demanding coach who is known for irritating players in his efforts to get the most out of them. Last season, McHale was livid at how out of shape his Rockets were in training camp. Most of the Rockets never got over that, and they were shipped out accordingly.

Jeremy Lin is playing for a NBA champion who expects and gets NBA champion results out of his players. The level of play that McHale expects out of Lin is undoubtedly higher than anything Lin has faced before. There's no telling how long it'll take for Jeremy Lin to really get comfortable with McHale's demands, but there's no arguing that McHale's players have really excelled under his watch once they adjust to what McHale expects of them.

Yes your right about Kevin McHale.. I loved him as a basketball player he was really hard working scraper. I don't know about his coaching other than what I've read but your statments makes alot of sense. Jeremy said he couldnt really start working out until late July early August something like that. I went over the video's from Day 3.. I did not see Omar in those either did anyone else?

When you mention "Omar", are you talking about Omar Samhan who is one of my favorite basketball players? If you don't see him, it's because Samhan tore his ACL last year and is still in recovery.

Once Omar Samhan recovers, I'd like to see him play in the D league. I absolutely think that he can score 20 points and grab 10 rebounds for an entire season. I'd also like to see him train with professional sports trainers to lose some weight and run the court better. Samhan could easily be a bigger and better Carlos Boozer, as Boozer also struggled with weight in college and was not nearly the dominant college star Samhan was. If Samhan gets his chance, he would be a $10+ million man in the NBA because of his polished low post moves and surprising athleticism. He's the Jeremy Lin of centers!

What I like about McHale's coaching is that he has a great feel for star players. One trait of great players like McHale turned coaches is that they give their stars general guidelines but then turn them loose on the court. Stars like Kevin Love, Kevin Garnett, Sam Cassell, Latrell Sprewell, and now Jeremy Lin find that playing for McHale is a freeing liberating experience that allows them to create on both ends of the court.

Where it gets problematic for great players turned coaches is when those coaches get players who aren't stars. Usually a role player lacks the physical or mental capacity to be a star in the NBA, and this role players do better when they are given an assigned set of tasks and are instructed to stick to only those tasks. A great player turned coach will try to work with that role player on expanding his game and the role player will rebel because the role player cannot handle anything other than his own role. McHale has a history of clashing with such players that refuse to or cannot buy into his system.

McHale has already talked publicly about Lin leading the Rockets. While there are undoubtedly many lessons for Lin to learn from the master, there can be little doubt that Lin will learn and learn WELL.