Nokia and Apple have settled their patent dispute, with Cupertino handing over an undisclosed lump sum and agreeing to ongoing royalties.
The case has been rumbling on since October 2009, with Nokia taking the action to various courts in the US and Europe, and both companies making formal complaints to the US International Trade …

Finally

Well...

Nokia has invested millions over the years so they are entitled to this settlement. Despite their ongoing disasterous decisions and dithering, let's not forget that mobile phones would not be where they are now it it were not for Nokia.

Re: Well...

"...let's not forget that mobile phones would not be where they are now it it were not for Nokia."

Oh, it's that time of year again: time to cut all those cheques to people like Newton, Einstein and everybody else that made civilisation what it is. Oh wait! What? You mean they didn't sit back and say, "I'm done with all this working on stuff, can I have a fat pension and a statue, please?"

This is just the start of Microsoft-Nokia's taxation of the people actually getting stuff to market that the public wants to buy.

But..But.. Surely Apple invented every new feature contained within modern mobile phones.

Next

Big win for MS(Nokia) and Apple(Apple). Big loss for Googles' Droids.

MS is using Nokia as a proxy, like they did with SCO. Having won this, Nok will go after those rogue Droids, HTC, Samsung, Motorola et al. ... And HP too... Margins will go thinner, and MS will try to harbor back those lost souls. Big battle is Goo/MS...

Next

Oh please...

Apple payed a nominal sum, knowing that they could put Nokia out of business, it was cheaper to buy them off than pay the lawyers, give them $10 million to go away and die quitely money, I mean 1 pound a year income is going to be a positive when all your making from other business is a loss

Patents

Actually

According to the response that Apple gave, they balked at the royalty fees and as punishment for rejecting them, Nokia doubled the price. Nokia gave Apple the same initial price as all the others. Apple thought they should get a special price and Nokia gave them one; DOUBLE.

All wrong.

Apple sued because Nokia was demanding royalty payments from Apple that were significantly higher than those being paid by everyone else in the market to license Nokia's GSM technology.

At no point had Apple ever claimed that they should not have to pay royalties, or that they somehow invented the technology or any other nonsense being peddled on here and other sites *cough*Engadget*cough*

Apple wanted to pay royalties to Nokia, but they (rightly) didn't see why they should pay more than the "fair and reasonable" amounts that Nokia agreed to charge when they were awarded the patents, and which they were charging to other handset manufacturers.

So Nokia's triumphalist PR spin that basically amounts to "Yes! We've been forced not to price-gouge Apple! We win!" is more than a little suspect.

@hexx I stand corrected

You are right. Nokia sued Apple first because they had not signed a license to use Nokia's patents. Apple then countersued.

However the basic principle remains the same. Apple's motivation for not signing was that Nokia was demanding onerous terms, not because they thought Nokia didn't deserve to be compensated for their work.

@Ian Davies

@Ian Davies

How do you know they were onerous? Because Apple said so?

The other side of the story, from Nokia: "Prior to filing this Complaint, Nokia has made various offers to Apple for the fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory royalty determination (F/RAND) terms and conditions of a license agreement...Apple has rejected Nokia's offers for the F/RAND terms and conditions both on a portfolio and on a per-patent basis".

@Vic

LOL...

You seem to forget that there's this other big giant sitting on the sidelines with their own patent suit against Google.

You and others dismiss Oracle's Java suit against Android.

If that goes the distance and Oracle wins... You're going to see a world of hurt put on Google since they will have to indemnify the phone manufacturers and you'll see Android either die, or new phones jump in price because of the licensing costs.

BTW, don't count out Meego and Nokia's Intel relationship. There's more to the MS deal than just handsets....

Also didn't you get the memo? With the rise of the Internet bloggers obtaining 'journalist' standards, all journalists have been forced to lower their standards and become 'lobbyists'.

@Gumby

Have you been following the progress in the case? Have you seen what Judge Alsup did to Oracle's claims?

> You're going to see a world of hurt put on Google

Or maybe not. Google got their Daubert hearing granted. There's a good chance that if Oracle win anything, it might not be very much. And it might be nothing at all; they only have assertions at the moment, and their patents - which look *extremely* shaky - are up for re-examination by USPTO.

2009 figures show that 60% of all re-examined patents are thrown out in their entirety, and a further 28% have some claims rejected. Only 12% survive...

But none of that is relevant to my post; Florian Muller is a renowned astroturfer with a very poor record of being anywhere near the truth in the final reckoning. It's a poor show when anyone quotes him as supporting material.

@Vic

No, its not a big if.

You're right that I haven't been following the case. Last time I checked, Oracle still had a lot on the table. Google's code excerpts still stand, and Apache has made the statement that Google's code isn't based on their's.

Last time I checked, we're still in the discovery period and that the actual trial hasn't started.

Also, we're in the peanut gallery. We won't see or know all of the evidence collected or presented.

This means that the actual trial hasn't started. Its going to be a jury trial right?

So going forward, you have an option of Google settling with Oracle or it goes to trial.

You have the trial and Oracle wins.

You have the trial and Google wins.

The odds are that if this goes the distance, Oracle will win on some counts.

Its a stronger case than SCOs.

Again, the whole point of my first post is that regardless of the outcome, the uncertainty of the lawsuit represents risk.

Google's behavior with the handset manufacturers also represents risk.

But hey, what do I know? I'm neither a fan of either company. Not so sure you can say the same. :-)

Shhhh...

My question is - how is having Android phone makes a person an Android fan? :-O

All articles of Florian that I have heard of or read are full of FUD about Android ecosystem - Google steals code from Java, Google does not license proper Java VM, Google is doing this wrong, Google is doing that wrong.

I also remember reading about Florian doing some work for Microsoft. I wonder if he is still getting his paycheck from them...

No-one here knows the full story.

Nokia sued Apple because Apple refused to pay what Nokia asked. No-one here knows the exact figures Nokia demanded, no-one can tell just how much they differed from the norm. They went to court to let the courts decide who was right. Commenters here pretending to know more than they do should keep quiet.

@windywoo

"Nokia sued Apple because Apple refused to pay what Nokia asked. No-one here knows the exact figures Nokia demanded, no-one can tell just how much they differed from the norm. They went to court to let the courts decide who was right. Commenters here pretending to know more than they do should keep quiet."

Right on Bro (as they used to say) - certain members of the cognoscenti here should confine their fairytales to bedtime reading for their kids.

Indeed...

Not even Apple knew what the norm was - they just decided Nokia was asking too much.

"Throughout the negotiation process, Nokia blatantly attempted to circumvent its contractual obligation to offer non-discriminatory licensing terms to Apple. While Nokia said it was offering Apple its “standard” royalty terms, Nokia repeatedly refused Apple’s requests to substantiate that naked representation. Nokia refused to provide any information about what other licensees were paying for the same standards-essential patent rights (even on an aggregated or anonymous basis)".

Nokia Patents

...are hardware patents and actually worthy of a patent.

For this reason, I suspect most Google handset makers will already have a license to use Nokia's technology , and are thus already contributing to Nokia's abysmal bottom line. Apple was just a holdout.

I never know why the Register or anyone else quotes Florian Mueller; his prediction rate and analysis are abysmal.