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I'm intrigued. Once in a while, Eric and I will play a round of ball golf at Sah-hah-Lee and then head out to Timber. Makes for a fun day. It's a beautiful course and I think disc golf would be a nice addition if they do it well. I'd sure check it out.

We love Skyline - just wish it weren't such a long drive. Having something like it 15 minutes from our house would be pretty damn sweet.

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However, I do think it should be pointed out that the relatively small number of players who can really appreciate a pay-for-play massively long disc golf course just might not be enough to sustain the idea economically -- if it interferes with the ball-golf business, that is.

Where are you getting your numbers? For one, Oakway was not "massively long". For two, how do you know there are not hordes of disc golfers dying to pay to play on longer, more manicured courses? And when done properly, disc golf need not reduce a ball golf course's business, it can INCREASE their business.

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I enjoyed oakway
but would not have payed ball golf prices to play there though
great tournament layout
if i'm going to pay the price then i will play ball golf
too bad you couldn't both at the same time for the price of one
the owner of the golf course right out of town had ideas untill he talked to me
i told him that i thought very few people would pay 15.00 to 20.00 bones to play when we have so many great free courses

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Where are you getting your numbers? For one, Oakway was not "massively long". For two, how do you know there are not hordes of disc golfers dying to pay to play on longer, more manicured courses? And when done properly, disc golf need not reduce a ball golf course's business, it can INCREASE their business.

Right, which is why I said it could be a problem only if the numbers aren't there AND it interferes with the ball-golf. If having a handful of disc golfers out there alienates the "regulars," they've got a problem. I'm not saying that's how it's going to be, just that they've got to consider it and do it right.

I don't know that there aren't hordes of disc golfers waiting to pay to get in a golf cart and zip around on unnatural, overfertilized fairways. But I do wonder, because a big part of disc golf's allure is the cheapness factor, especially here in The Great Recession. If a carload of people headed down OR-212 can play 18 at Sah-Hah-Lee for $40, or drive 20 minutes further and play 45 at Timber AND McIver for $3, it might be a tough sell.

OK, now I think you have truly lost everyone. It's going to be a tough case for you after a qualification like that....

Not everyone is a pro. For an awful lot of newer players, courses like McIver and Bryant are long and frustrating, and those players would have more fun at Vance or Timber. No, I'm not a newbie myself, but someone's got to point out that the newbies do exist, and probably in bigger numbers than the die-hards in this forum who play in tournaments every weekend and actually go on-line to talk about disc golf. I mean, come on, this borders on fanaticism, what we do here. We're 1-percenters.

Again, I'm just expressing my opinion, and you're basically telling me that it's wrong. That's way more messed up than me thinking Timber is more fun than McIver (and note I said "more fun," not "better").

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Hey I pay to play:
$10 for my St. Park pass - 12 months (buy in bulk my friends)
$60 to Bob for 12 months at Hornings
$70 not bad, but I wouldn't pay 10 or better for one day, and it wouldn't matter how great the course was, or perceived to be.

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Gawain, the reputation that Oakway seemed to get was that it was a long, open course. Like Adam, that holds little to no interest to me as a disc golfer. Therefore, in no way was I going to travel down there to pay money to play on a course that did not (on its reputation) appeal to me. Please spare the "but you never actually played it" argument, I am admitting to that. Maybe Oakway was a heavily wooded, not really manicured course with tight fairways, average 275 - 400 ft. holes,and through lots of trees, but that wasn't the impression I was getting from people who played it.

I have also gone on record to say that I don't think Milo deserves all the hype it gets - and I have thrown there (a couple holes with you one day, actually). Lengthy holes just aren't something I look for in a course. Part of the draw of this sport to me is tromping through nature. A ball golf course turned disc golf course doesn't usually fit into the type of course I would most like to throw at. Skyline is an exception to this rule, due to its views of the river from the course, and the great use of elevation changes in the course design.

I don't think Terry did anyone a disservice by being honest regarding pay-to-play. $15 to $20 to play a course is much more money than most disc golfers would be willing to cough up. There are times I've passed on playing Skyline, and they only charge $8 for 18 holes! I think lying to them would have been much worse.

And Bob, I am also curious as to what the big draw of disc golf at Oakway was, too. The only information I ever got about it when it was up and running was that you got to play on a nicely manicured ball golf course (with wide-open fairways, and lengthy holes). Meh.

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so should I have lied to my friend and told him go ahead spent 10 grand
you'll get it back no time
hell so many people come play in Mac already don't they
using the money to update a few of the greens I thought would make a much better business decision
but hey If you got an extra ten grand we can go talk to him again
i'm sure if someone else foots the bill he would be more than glad too
also he wasn't planning on disc golf being offered in prime time on the weekend either
didn't think to many ball golfers want to rent a cart either, so make it 25.00 bones on the weekend to boot,
so if you think a Monday through Thursday monrning and Friday , because the course is full Thursday afternoon for league, course will pay for it's self then buck up let's get it done
and oh by the way, that is per nine holes of golf as well, not 18
so come spent 50.00 bones on the weekend to play 18 holes of golf
or 30.00 on a regular day,
no I didn't think that would fly to well with the disc golf public
people always seem to know something about nothing

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oh by the way that was his plan too.
my plan for him was to make it 18,27, or 36 holes
make it to were the ball golfers have right of way on the course
charge 10.00 bucks for a day pass and you might just make a profit on it