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Low 12's with just a plug and play tune from a 2.0 liter four-cylinder? Believe it! Australia's Willall racing was able to get the A45 AMG equipped with the M133 2.0 liter four-cylinder turbocharged motor to run a 12.280@112.14. This is with just a Stage I piggyback tune and pump gas. For those who wondered if it was possible for tuned 45 AMG's to break into the 11's it appears they will be able to do so rather easily with supporting modifications.

12.2 is right there with 6-speed C7's that are well launched and if a driver makes a mistake, game over. The ET actually is close.

Not bad for a tiny little motor eh?

The CLA45 is a FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR CAR.
So, no.
There is NOTHING impressive about a $50k car running 12's.
The fact that the motor is so small, that it needs forced induction to get out of it's way, is sad, not something to brag about.

"My espectations"???? Slow you're roll.
You can make power with any motor with the addition of boost.
The real test is how reliable the combination proves to be in the long run.
Regardless, torque is king for sedans, especially on the street.
And, this tiny 2.0L is lacking in torque.

Now, let's look for something to agree on.
I think for $29,900 the CLA250 is a good buy for a daily beater with NO OPTIONS.
Let's see what the CLA250 can run with a tune, and more importantly, HOW RELIABLE THE MAXED OUT 2.0L and DCT are in the long run.

The CLA45 is a FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR CAR.
So, no.
There is NOTHING impressive about a $50k car running 12's.
The fact that the motor is so small, that it needs forced induction to get out of it's way, is sad, not something to brag about.

Well it starts below $50k but it's very impressive for a 2.0 liter-four cylinder to run these times. I'm certainly impressed as others seem to be.

There are plenty of more expensive cars that are slower than it. Additionally, that do not offer all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission.

Also, do you think a this car may offer a bit of daily usability combined with great performance and fuel efficiency? Maybe Mercedes is downsizing their motors for a reason? It's only going to continue.

Originally Posted by TT C6

You can make power with any motor with the addition of boost.
The real test is how reliable the combination proves to be in the long run.
Regardless, torque is king for sedans, especially on the street.
And, this tiny 2.0L is lacking in torque.

It's the most powerful factory production four-cylinder in the world and it makes 332 pound-feet of torque. That is 166 pound-feet per liter. It's lacking torque versus what exactly? Twin turbo V8's twice its size?

Originally Posted by TT C6

Let's see what the CLA250 can run with a tune, and more importantly, HOW RELIABLE THE MAXED OUT 2.0L and DCT are in the long run.

I have no idea why what the CLA250 runs matters here and why you think the 2.0 is maxed out when the reality of the situation in the first post just proved otherwise with real world results.

Well it starts below $50k but it's very impressive for a 2.0 liter-four cylinder to run these times. I'm certainly impressed as others seem to be.

There are plenty of more expensive cars that are slower than it. Additionally, that do not offer all wheel drive and a dual clutch transmission.

Also, do you think a this car may offer a bit of daily usability combined with great performance and fuel efficiency? Maybe Mercedes is downsizing their motors for a reason? It's only going to continue.

It's the most powerful factory production four-cylinder in the world and it makes 332 pound-feet of torque. That is 166 pound-feet per liter. It's lacking torque versus what exactly? Twin turbo V8's twice its size?

I have no idea why what the CLA250 runs matters here and why you think the 2.0 is maxed out when the reality of the situation in the first post just proved otherwise with real world results.

I am a HUGE fan of DCT and AWD.
In fact, they are the only reason I'm considering a German car, and what brought me to your site.

But, your power per liter talk makes me sick and makes me want to puke all over you and my keyboard.
I HATE ricers and I hate this RIDICULOUS talk about $hitty little motors.
When the pricetag of the car approaches $50k, then NO, there is NOTHING impressive about 12 second 1/4 mile times.
You can buy a LS3 car brand new for under $30k with 430 ft lbs of torque.
So, no, this $50k car is not impressive, in fact, it's kinda pathetic.

It's only interesting characteristics are the DCT and AWD.

So, back to our common ground.
I find the CLA250 to be intriguing at $30k and I look forward to seeing what it will do with a tune and minor mods.

Have any of you seen this car in person? I found it surprisingly small looking, kind of like 1 series but 4 doors. It is like a mini CLS As for price 50k (AMG) is quite high and isn't that similar price of previous 1M? At this price point S4 would probably be a better choice, but I highly doubt you can find a brand new LS3 car for under 30k (which car is that, stripped out SS?)?

Have any of you seen this car in person? I found it surprisingly small looking, kind of like 1 series but 4 doors. It is like a mini CLS As for price 50k (AMG) is quite high and isn't that similar price of previous 1M? At this price point S4 would probably be a better choice, but I highly doubt you can find a brand new LS3 car for under 30k (which car is that, stripped out SS?)?

Camaro SS.
Google is your friend.

I HATE the current Camaro.
But, the 2015 will share the same Alpha chassis with the Caddy CTS and ATS while dropping some serious weight.
2015 Camaro with LT1 and 7spd stick is going to be a winner.

Camaro could be a choice, but not really great for room or if you have passengers and I agree on current one as there is nothing I like about it. I've driven 02 Z28 with 6 speeds in the past and it was a monster, but only in straight line, as if there is a turn you better be careful. Of course interior is another story CTS and ATS seem like good choices, but I still can't get over the crap cars they produced in the past. My thinking was if it isn't a V8 (5.7L preferred), then don't buy it, but I hope times changed.

As for CLA, my guess is that it will sell mostly basic versions (not AMG), as I really don't see much take on 50k price tag.

CTS and ATS seem like good choices, but I still can't get over the crap cars they produced in the past. My thinking was if it isn't a V8 (5.7L preferred), then don't buy it, but I hope times changed..

Your loss. Go drive a current CTS-V and then imagine what the replacement will be like next year.
The problem is that Caddy keeps raising their prices to laughable levels while AMG continues to dominate.

I think a ATS/CTS with a naturally aspirated LT1 and a 7spd stick for around $50k makes sense.
But, Caddys current ridiculous pricing, and move away from Corvette powertrains, means Caddy is losing it's only selling points.

Have any of you seen this car in person? I found it surprisingly small looking, kind of like 1 series but 4 doors. It is like a mini CLS As for price 50k (AMG) is quite high and isn't that similar price of previous 1M? At this price point S4 would probably be a better choice, but I highly doubt you can find a brand new LS3 car for under 30k (which car is that, stripped out SS?)?

Mini-CLS is what they were going for.

It looks great in person.

It's cheaper than the 1M which was marked up but performing on par with the six-cylinder which is awesome.

Originally Posted by litxus

but I highly doubt you can find a brand new LS3 car for under 30k (which car is that, stripped out SS?)?

I dunno where you are, but that sucks. You can buy a S4 or CLA45 money in the USA.

I prefer the most lightweight car as possible.
But, you get and extra 1.0L, 2 cylinders, and a ton of interior room in the S4.
A worthy trade off in my opninion.
If they are charging an extra $40,000 american for the S4 over the CLA45 in your country, many must agree with me and it makes the S4 the wise decision for the same money as the CLA45.

Rebates, incentives, negotiation= a lot less
I assumed everyone on this forum knew that.

It's also called having financing up front or paying cash. But an SS camaro is not exactly a cookie cutter car. Unless the lot is stocked with like 4 or 5 of them and it's around christmas I don't see someone getting below 30k. But hey if you can go do it more power to you. I wouldn't waste my breath on a chevy product. especially when all Europeon car makers and I think subaru is now running no cost maintence on anything for the first two years. So I just basically drive the damn thing in and get a loaner and bam my car is maintained with stealership reciepts to prove it. Which makes it better for a CPO sale. but then again I don't know how negotiate at all [sarcasm]

It's also called having financing up front or paying cash. But an SS camaro is not exactly a cookie cutter car. Unless the lot is stocked with like 4 or 5 of them and it's around christmas I don't see someone getting below 30k. But hey if you can go do it more power to you. I wouldn't waste my breath on a chevy product. especially when all Europeon car makers and I think subaru is now running no cost maintence on anything for the first two years. So I just basically drive the damn thing in and get a loaner and bam my car is maintained with stealership reciepts to prove it. Which makes it better for a CPO sale. but then again I don't know how negotiate at all [sarcasm]