and a bunch of stressed out, douschebag people all competing with each other for the same thing. Anyways that's why I left, It's great if you're wealthy but otherwise it's pretty much a ratrace with not that much of a payoff.

Also depends what your into, I traded the beach for lakes and mountains, just my personal preference.

/Offtopic off

cool. I had three friends move away just this month. A lot of them are headed up your way (seattle, pdx, etc)

if we can keep up the california sux charade we can probably get rid of all the douches