The battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party has begun. On one side is the Tea Party. On the other side stands Karl Rove and his establishment team, posing as tacticians while quietly undermining conservatism.

Yesterday, the New York Timesreported that the biggest donors in the Republican Party have joined forces with Karl Rove and Steven J. Law, president of American Crossroads, to create the Conservative Victory Project. The Times reports that this new group will dedicate itself to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the partys effort to win control of the Senate. The group points to candidates like Christine ODonnell in Delaware and Richard Mourdock in Indiana as examples of Tea Party primary picks going sideways in major Senatorial battles.

Karl Rove is not a conservative. Neither are his ilk. Including the word “conservative” in this new group constitutes fraud in my book. Karl and the rest of the establishment Republicans(so called)can take a hike!

Note to “moderates”: Just become democrats, you’re helping them now anyway. While you continue to try to moderate the already comatose GOP, the democrats are goose stepping into full on fascism with zero resistance. Why are you allowing this to happen?

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posted on 02/03/2013 10:34:15 AM PST
by cripplecreek
(REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)

Rove has NEVER been a conservative! This morning Ralph Reed was on one of the Sunday shows, pushing amnesty. Rove, Reed and Grover Norquist....who claim the mantle of conservatism in the GOP are LYING TO YOU!!! The truth has been out there forever and you need to stop ignoring it! These 3 have been joined at the hip for decades and been involved in so many nefarious goings on. NO better than the dems!

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posted on 02/03/2013 10:39:34 AM PST
by AuntB
(Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)

Rove has NEVER been a conservative! This morning Ralph Reed was on one of the Sunday shows, pushing amnesty. Rove, Reed and Grover Norquist....who claim the mantle of conservatism in the GOP are LYING TO YOU!!! The truth has been out there forever and you need to stop ignoring it! These 3 have been joined at the hip for decades and been involved in so many nefarious goings on. NO better than the dems!

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posted on 02/03/2013 10:39:53 AM PST
by AuntB
(Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)

Exactly. The Republicans, as a party, need to be dumped and go the way of the Whigs.

They have no coherent philosophy and no reason for being except to raise enough money on trivial, phony issues to keep enough of their members in office to continue the gravy train. Let Rove lead the “Republican Party” wherever he wants, but let conservative Americans form a new party and go somewhere else.

Some will say, “OH NO! That will let the Dims win!” But of course, that is how Rove and his rent-seeking elite have sucked everyone in. And if I may point out, the Dims have been winning anyway! Rove doesn’t want to win to have a healthy Republic living by the Constitution. Rove wants to win to keep the money rolling in for himself and his elite friends.

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posted on 02/03/2013 10:59:05 AM PST
by Cincinnatus.45-70
(What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)

OMG people....the GOP is NOT conservative. Never has been. Goldwater was an anomaly and so was Reagan. The Gingrich revolution of 94 was just backlash against Clinton moving “too fast” in his socialization of America.

The Bushes are globalists. All of the leaders in the GOP are globalists. Globalist is another name for world socialist. They believe in a world without borders where all workers are just labor units to be used and discarded at will—essentially a world of temp laborers with an oligarchy that rules them all. Calling them the GOPe and RINOs is incorrect. They are the GOP and the Republicans. We are the outsiders to their party. We’re their plantation voters, just as the blacks are to the Democrats.

Our version of conservatism requires a nation with borders that recognizes that each of us are sovereign individuals with inalienable God-given rights. The GOP does not believe that.

Rove, like the rest of them at the top of both parties, believes in a free market for his class and a “managed economy” for the little people. The only difference between the GOP and the Democrats is in the method of conversion to collectivism. Rove wants us to be sold into indentured servitude to multi-nationals as an expendable resource, with the unemployables becoming wards of the state. Obama wants all of us to become property of the state to be rented out to the corps.

The Whigs actually didn’t go away ~ they became 2 or 3 of the Republican party’s many factions ~ they are still there. A good chunk of them who focus almost exclusively on national financial policies are, in fact, a core group within the TEA Party.

Not spending beyond our means and advocating for a smaller and more efficient government is the summit of Tea Party rationality. Rove and his fellow RINOs are 180 degrees out of sync with conservatives.

What do you call a magnificent b@stard who stabs you in the back when your movement gets itself into gear right around the time of the 2010 elections and you're really counting on him? I'll give you a hint:

you really can't discuss this until you realize that in America coalition politics takes place EXTERNAL to the formal structures of government.

The single member district concept also forces us into two Broad Coalitions ~ one Democrat and the other Republican. That's the way we get enough voters together to win an election ~ which takes 50%+1 vote in a single member district.

There are socialists in both coalitions ~ always have been and always will ~ we need their votes ~ but we want to minimize their influence. BTW, the law does not allow us to mutilate their bodies so don't go there.

If you want to shock these fools, get the agreement of several house members and senators to join a new, “American” party. That wipes out any illusions they have of ever winning back anything and will eventually force them to choose between complete removal of their power or having to join the American party. That will get their attention. I believe Steve King and a few others would be quite willing to join.

It would take about 3-5 years to shift existing Dem and Repub conservatives to the American party. The Repub party would be eliminated within a few months and the Dem party would have to face a serious drain on Dem voters who would be energized by fresh political choices and don’t like the overbearing Dem establishment.

Don’t forget that Americans want freedom, prosperity, and a low-cost government—that is not different no matter who you vote for. A party that advocates those things will be a comfortable fit with the points of view of the vast majority of Americans.

Without conservatives, the Repub party loses so much support that it is not a viable party at the national level. At the state and local levels, conservatism tends to be the core philosophy (with exceptions in a few places like NJ, Mass).

If Karl Rove thinks demographic shifts alone are going to necessitate shifting to a socialist platform, I would like to know just how he thinks he can win any national election without values distinct from the Dem party. He and his party have been losing easy elections for decades. The 2012 election was arguably the best opportunity in decades to win easily and win big—but he and his team lost. Just what is his strategy for winning? Does he really think he can morph the Repub party into a political party similar to one of the parties in England, Australia, or Canada? The path Rove is on is more likely to create a party like the dominant Mexican party.

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posted on 02/03/2013 11:07:25 AM PST
by iacovatx
(Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)

Rove and company ensuring that Republicans lose again. Money helps you get ahead in an election, but you still need votes to win an election. Going to war with the very people whose votes you need is not going to get you very far, even with a ton of money. Rove has lost a lot of credibility, and I hope his big donors realize that their dollars are not going to vote in the voting booth. Pissing off people whose votes you need is a poor strategy, and a great way to burn your money for nothing.

I’ve said for a long time on this forum that the Moderates often called GOPe nowadays, identifiable by the likes of Karl Rove, etc. are hijacking the Conservative name. Their goal is to leave true conservatives without a public identity. They have been on the path towards scrubbing the Conservative movement for many years RIGHT ALONG WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

The Democrats are trying to cause Conservatives to form a third party to break up the opposition vote, as well relegate Conservatism, TRUE Conservatism to third party HELL. Oblivion. It’s what they are attempting to do to we the people.

We the people right now need to make up our minds as to what to do with the GOPe, drop kick their butts out of the picture, and I believe the way to do it is to get as many of the elected RINO’s the “H” out of office, and the TEA Party in. Two birds one stone (election).

WE HAVE TO GET BEHIND THE TEA PARTY IF WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK. Let NOT they detract us from that focus.

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posted on 02/03/2013 11:13:51 AM PST
by rockinqsranch
(Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)

>>The single member district concept also forces us into two Broad Coalitions ~ one Democrat and the other Republican. That’s the way we get enough voters together to win an election ~ which takes 50%+1 vote in a single member district.

I know that. I’m just tired of hearing all the whining about RINOs and the GOPe. We need to grow up and realize that the people we elect do not believe in our conservatism after the election. They have to lie to us to get elected and then we are shocked that they lied.

The Democrats have the same problem. Their candidates are communists who have to pretend to care for the middle class that they despise more than anything in the world.

But as long as Americans demand that politicians lie to them and treat them like children, the politicians will lie to them and treat them like children! I just want people to take friggin’ red pill and wake up to reality. Then, we can have a real discussion of a realistic future and minimize the influence of the extreme Marxists.

I hope there is a way to contact these big donors, and tell them that Rove is the wrong horse to bet on. As a front-man he has a very poor image, and that they are in a losing strategy with him. A waste of money.

I agree. From now on, any so-called conservative publications or websites that give Rove a platform should be discredited. This man is trying to pull a classic ‘post-Thatcher leftward shift’ on the American conservative movement. We will NOT move an inch to the left, Rove. Stick it. We’re going to annihilate the RINOS come 2014, and we don’t care how much you spend, the voters know the consequences of electing moderates against DemoRats. Beside, you had better focus on the senators you already have, because we’re coming after them too. Buy Lindsey Graham a lifeboat.

What we are seeing in America now is what happens when a minority attempts to take over a majority. On two scales, no less -- on a national scale with the presidency, and an inner-party scale in the GOP. Minorities hijaking majorities.

Time for a third party. Sorry, sad, but true. On the bright side, timing is ripe among average Americans for an alternative to equally loathed Democrat and Republican parties in the general perception.

There must be some fights, however, some battles, which the squeamish roll-over Republicans have already surrendered, among the most primary: Elections must become honest, ID required, monitored for fraud. That's where it must start. The battles will start there, must start there, and will take the most courage.

I do trust, as so many of the Hudson Brigade (despairing and defeatist "conservatives" who come here wailing "Game over, man! Game over!") do not, that on balance, the majority of Americans are morally good. These are the Americans who make this country work. Their votes are the most authentic -- the producers, the regular joes, the legitimate and legal citizens, the ones who feed themselves outside of food stamps and government largess (yes, folks on "welfare" should, in the cause of justice, be denied the vote, and there should be a law stating it, as it's a case of the wolf voting in more sheep when wholesale gov't dependents have equal franchise ... this is a hard, uphill battle the Hudson Brigaders are too panicked and defeatist to fight) ...

... read the words of those elsehwere than FR and perceive the dangerous illusion that pop culture and the MSM have projected of themselves in place of "Americans." Get a grip on the truth that patiently incremental decades-long organized vote fraud on the left, vote manipulation, and deliberate vote ginning among people who'd never bother voting otherwise, have placed a liberal minority in position to exercise government tyranny over the majority. America didn't "vote for this" -- "this" cheated to get where it is. For our own good, of course, in a leftist world where morality itself is relative, hence voting twice is morally justified. *rolls eyes*

The dangerous illusion has each side perceiving itself as the opposite in number that it actually is. Not only do "conservatives" (lack of better term, perhaps Tea Partiers) perceive themselves as smaller in number because they have less elected representation, but leftists and liberals perceive themselves as bigger because of falslely elected liberalism and government tyranny. That illusion smashed will reveal a nation dominated by people who would vote to cut government and restore the freedoms to be self-dependent, whether individually or state-wide or nationally. The only reason everything we buy is "made in China" and gas costs have doubled, is because government tyranny has made it illegal for Americans to produce those things themselves.

Down deep, most Americans know this. We Americans are a good, moral people. The only way we take this nation back is when we take up that standard. LOSERS by definintion regard their fellow Americans with contempt. I see a lot of Republicans who are stone-cold losers.

Mr. Rove is doing a bit of “revisionist history” on the 2012 Senate races. He’ll focus on Akin (who was funded in the primaries by some of McCaskill’s Democrat donors) and Mourdock (which had crybaby Lugar badmouthing him and telling his groups NOT to vote for Mourdock in the general) but he surprisingly won’t tell you about the other races that were won or lost.

Let me give you folks the the 411 on the stupidity of the GOP (2010/2012 Senate races)

2010

ODonnell: According to party affiliation and exit polls, there was no way a Republican was gonna win Delaware 2010. Even Castle had no shot. Castle can bitch and cry all he wants but you got to win the primary first (details, details).

Angle: Harry Reid owns the states political machines, the funding and his seniority (or is it senility). GOP had no shot.

2012

Lugar: after his primary defeat, went into the background and trash-talked Mourdock at every opportunity with local Indiana GOP groups. If Indiana didnt have sore loser law, that jerk would of run as a third candidate.

ND: Berg: Simply saying Im the GOP candidate, vote for me isnt enough against an inspired (and highly organized/motivated DNC candidate). Berg lost by less than 3,000 votes. Bergs campaign was described by local insiders as sloppy, undisciplined, and reeking of GOPe (aka: taking the base for granted). This race was begging for an upset and the DNC brought in the big guns/money to pull it off. Heitkamp struck with perfect timing at the end to squeeze out a few thousand votes at the end.

Akin: foot in mouth? yes....but you did know he was propped up by Mccaskills cronies in the primary by the tune of over one million dollars. Why? He was the weakest of the three GOP candidates.

ME: GOP in disarray and against a popular former governor.

MA: Brown flipped the bird to the TP, went all RINO and was up against a powerful candidate. Burned bridges. GOPe

OH: Josh Mandel. Deer in the headlights against the hunter. In the big leagues Josh, they play for keeps NOT for Chuck-E-Cheese tokens. OUT OF HIS LEAGUE.

MT: Three way race and the Libertarian candidate spoils the show Tester 236,123-Rehberg 218,051-Cox 31,892. DNC plowed a lot of money for their favorite goon Tester. GOPe

WI: Tommy Thomson. Uninspired campaign. Thought that by simply announcing he would win by default. Believed his past terms as governor was all the PR he ever needed. Burned a lot of bridges in the primary. GOPe

HI: Lingle......Liberal RINO, LOST

CT: McMahon....Liberal RINO, LOST

NE Deb Fischer, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Defeated the GOPe back candidate in the primary. WINNER

AZ Jeff Flake, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Did not run away from conservatism. WINNER

TX Ted Cruz, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Defeated the GOPe candidate in the primary. WINNER

The Senate was ripe for the picking for the GOP. If the candidates played it smart, practiced Media 101 skills (may I suggest the Breitbart school of journalism) and just learned to avoid the traps (Akin, Mourdock), we could of picked up 4-7 seats.

I dont know if 2014 will get us to 50+ and it might take a few cycles to get the Senate back....but only if the GOP learns its lessons and stops pointing its fingers at the base. Future conservative/TP candidates will have to realize that its a BLOOD SPORT. Mistakes that might of been survivable in the bush-leagues are game killers in the big leagues.

It’s not just about politics for Rove, IT’S ABOUT THE MONNEY. His little scam on advising candidates and ad buys gives him a nice commission.

They don’t realize that the two party system requires two OPPOSING parties, now “big government” and “big government lite” parties. And the small government conservatives are excluded from both parties.

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