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Sorry, but it's actually the truth. The song was meant to give the viewers a sense of cheerfulness and hope for Chiruto to fly. Considering the message that Ready Go! has, it makes it more enjoyable. I'll rip a clip of that and stick it into my topic just for reference. :P

I guess I'll have to bite my tongue for now. They had good music at other times, so does that change your thought?

About Half and Half. I don't like the fact that you look at what they don't have rather than what they use, but a little ball of curiousity in the back of mind my can't help but wonder what was different each new episode, and that's what I need you for.

Heh, guess I'll have to work on that a bit. I am glad to be of some use though, I was afraid people would be tired of my little music rants by now.XP

It just saddens me that they feel the need to change so much of it in the dub these days, although for the record this episode had pretty good music compared to a lot of dub episodes recently. For example I was really afraid they would just use some boring background music in the scene where May was taking care of Swablu, but I thought the piece they chose to use instead was nice. Same thing goes for the piece from the first movie they used at the end, although I wish they had continued playing it instead of cutting to that other thing.

Eh, there I go again.>_>; Can't even reply to something without analyzing the music.XD

Well then, perhaps we can make it more constructive. Next time we view an Episode, gives us a rundown of all the music that was kept, so we can go "Ah, songs and tunes from the land of the rising sun."

Shouldn't be too difficult, seeing as apparently the original music is few and far between. ^_^

Seeing as how I haven't seen the dub, I'm not giving any other opinions on it and the rest of the music. :P I'll give a more thought out explanation when I catch it on Friday. Just telling my opinion on the original scenario and that it's more of a shame that they didn't use it, rather than a bashing.

Well then, perhaps we can make it more constructive. Next time we view an Episode, gives us a rundown of all the music that was kept, so we can go "Ah, songs and tunes from the land of the rising sun."

Shouldn't be too difficult, seeing as apparently the original music is few and far between. ^_^

Alright, I see what you mean now. That's no problem at all. As you said, it shouldn't be too difficult as they keep very little of the original score lately.

Alright, I see what you mean now. That's no problem at all. As you said, it shouldn't be too difficult as they keep very little of the original score lately.

What? You mean that 4Kids were lying when they said that the Japanese version didn't use music that much? *gasp* :O

Yeah. XD 4Kids was clearly smoking pot when writing that. I'd like to know what they were thinking they changing some of the music... I'm pretty damn certain that the peeps over in Japan wouldn't be stupid enough to be the ones who put that crappy 'music' in the battle between May and The Phantom. That stuff just sucked.

False. The TV SERIES connected to the first movie. That was all. There were no other connections considering nearly all anime movies take place in a different storyline from their TV series'.

How so? The storyline seems identical to me.

Do you actually know what was said by Ash and James regarding Lugia and the Orange Islands? As I recall a summary of it mentioning their lines about seeing Lugia LONG before the episodes were ever dubbed. I'm tired of people saying this was only in the dub without providing any evidence (even Dogasu hasn't as far as I know).

What do you think of the exact same type of fireworks appearing in the Millennium Festival in the sixth movie as in the episode about fire works that came shortly before the sixth movie premiered?

Never mind minor characters like Professor Ivy and Liza appearing in the movies... I understand that the movies generally don't effect the series but they certainly take place in the same storyline, just as a number of actual episodes don't effect the series and are never mentioned again. ^_^

Originally Posted by El Ludicolo

How did Torchic wake everyone up?

With loving Peck attacks to the nose of course! ^_^

From what I did see I saw something I thought 4Kids refused to do. THEY KEPT JESSIES HAIR PURPLE! From all the other AG eps I've seen her hair was red.

Huh? I thought her hair had been purple for some time now (except in the Deoxys movie).

Am I the only one here who's barely bothered at all by the music, and never notices the changes?

Seriously, I almost never even notice the background music at all unless I'm specifically listening for it, but then it's pretty easy to distinguish the dub/original scores (even without seeing the originals, which I haven't) because 4Kids always adds generic happy music. When I was watching Destiny Deoxys and Jirachi Wish Maker, though, I had to sit there and actually FIGURE OUT that there was moments of silence, and that's why they felt so different from ordinary episodes.

Well for me personally, the music makes a lot of difference in how much I enjoy an episode (or a movie for that matter). And as a result, 4Kids music changes really ruin the show. There are some episodes that I simply can't watch the dub version because the soundtrack has been so horribly mutilated (A Togepi Mirage is probably the worst instance of this). I really love the music of pokémon and it pains me to see such great stuff taken out for the dub. T_T

This episode shot up there to one of my favorites for the season. May was really excellent in this episode, and I felt so bad that she didn't get swablu. Is that the first time a twerp asked a pokemon to come along, but it ended up not coming along? That was really different. Also, this must be the first time we heard another pokemon use sing, because I've certainly never heard anyone but Jigglypuff sound like Jigglypuff when they sing. That was freaky.

Also, was swablu's voice dubbed? It sounded EXACTLY like Torchic (who's obviously dubbed), but it didn't say its name. Between Torchic and Jigglypuff, that swablu was a real imitator.

EDIT: I forgot something else great about this episode: a classic Dumb Ash moment! It's been so long since we've had one of those.

Also, was swablu's voice dubbed? It sounded EXACTLY like Torchic (who's obviously dubbed), but it didn't say its name. Between Torchic and Jigglypuff, that swablu was a real imitator.

Yeah, it was dubbed. Which actually surprised me a little, as I heard it retains its original voice in the Wish Maker film.
I agree though, it did sound exactly like Torchic. It seems a lot of the cute little pokémon seem to have similar voice in the dub these days~

Lombre wasn't bad actually. Although I'm hopefull they don't use the same damn Ludicolo voice later on that they used in "Gotta Dance." x_X It is becoming common that we're hearing high-pitched voices along with deep-voiced Pokémon that sound like a 34 year old dubbed them.

And it seems 4Kids is rather inconsistant about alot of things in Hoenn. One moment they use an original voice, the next they feel they have to dub it. Such as Stantler going from keeping the original voice to it appearing in Hoenn and having some, beefy deep voice that says "Stantler!" rather than making animal noises. o_O;

What I found odd was that in the very beginning of the ep, when all the Swablu and Altaria were cringing due to the storm, it sounded like they kept their Japanese voices. A chorus of "Chii, chii, chii" can be distinctly heard. Yet when Swablu was found, it had a dubbed voice.

It is becoming common that we're hearing high-pitched voices along with deep-voiced Pokémon that sound like a 34 year old dubbed them.

Yes, I know.

And it seems 4Kids is rather inconsistant about alot of things in Hoenn.

I'd have to disagree with you there. If anything, they've been quite consistent with the voices they choose (even if they suck). Dusclops kept its Jirachi: Wish Maker voice. Zangoose, Swampert, and Kirlia all had their dubbed voices in a flash back. And during the little Pokemon World opener before Destiny Deoxys, we got to hear some REALLY old Kanto Pokemon voices, like Tentacool, Primeape, Haunter, and Golem.

I'd have to disagree with you there. If anything, they've been quite consistent with the voices they choose (even if they suck). Dusclops kept its Jirachi: Wish Maker voice. Zangoose, Swampert, and Kirlia all had their dubbed voices in a flash back. And during the little Pokemon World opener before Destiny Deoxys, we got to hear some REALLY old Kanto Pokemon voices, like Tentacool, Primeape, Haunter, and Golem.

What I meant was that they're inconsistant when it comes to keeping voices. One moment they'll use the Japanese voice, then the next it'll be dubbed for no particular reason. o_o Heck, nearly all of the Johto Pokémon that had the same names or simply made noises kept their voices back in the Johto arc. But now it seems 4Kids is against that.

What I meant was that they're inconsistant when it comes to keeping voices. One moment they'll use the Japanese voice, then the next it'll be dubbed for no particular reason. o_o Heck, nearly all of the Johto Pokémon that had the same names or simply made noises kept their voices back in the Johto arc. But now it seems 4Kids is against that.

How can I cushion this then... Creative decisions? More active involvement? Pure idiocy? (I'd like to not think so...)

My two guess are:
A. If the voice tickles their tastes, it's kept. Mostly roars and weird noises and things like that. Or fitting ones (Nya~Nya). When a voice comes along that's not quite what they think is right, and there's quite a few people involved I'm sure, they replace. And that leads into the whole opinions argument.

or...

B. They use a dart board.

I'm not sure why they'd be flip-flopping though. I can't really think of a recent voice that's done that. Well, aside from Seviper and Swablu. Those seem more intentional though. There's Slugma of course, but that's a joke.

According to the third movie commentary, they mentioned that they'd keep anything that had the same name or made a sound that was more like an animal would make simply because it was easier to get away with rather than having to dub it. Obviously that's not the case if they've gone and begun to dub over most of the Pokémon that appear in Hoenn. :s

According to the third movie commentary, they mentioned that they'd keep anything that had the same name or made a sound that was more like an animal would make simply because it was easier to get away with rather than having to dub it. Obviously that's not the case if they've gone and begun to dub over most of the Pokémon that appear in Hoenn. :s

Third movie? You and I both know that was some time ago. Things change. New people, positions, bosses.

EDIT: And that also still hold some truth. Solrock is the perfect example.

Er, before I start my review, I'd like to apologize for making it three days late (I never seemed to have the time until now).

-I noticed Swablu's voice being dubbed, at least when it was singing Jigglypuff's 'Sing' tune.

-May getting to know a knew Pokemon and learning how to let go, that was nice. I guess that would count as character development.

-Magic Powder. Heh, that was interesting. And Brock called it a little white lie. Isn't he supposed to set a good example for the younger guys? Just kidding, I thought that was funny, too.

-The whole 'dumb Ash' scene, as some of you called it, was funny. Nice way to ease up the tension. Well, there wasn't really any tension, but it was still funny.

-Torchic's pecking/waking thing was also nice.

All this stuff about 4Kids changing the music into other music, or more often adding music where there wasn't any, gets me curious. Too bad I don't know where to access the original Japanese episodes. Except Japan. But I can't go there, esspecially for just that one reason.

That's it. Not a particularly exciting episode, but it was cool. Anything else I may have wanted to mention was probably already mentioned, so, I'll leave it at that.