I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' - C.R.

Sybarite:I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' - C.R.

Wouldn't make much of a difference.When drug dealers aren't getting free samples from the ATF, they busy themselves by ignoring import laws and taxes on things like this.

Not like they'll need a whole lot either.Its kinda like hunting VS target shooting. A hunter only "needs" a dozen bullets for the season, where a target shooter can blow threw a hundred in a single session.

"To gather data for the study, Wintemute and his colleagues used Google and Yahoo news alerting services and the news archives of GunPolicy.org to track stories published between March 2008 and February 2009 that contained the phrase "stray bullet."

Click Click D'oh:"To gather data for the study, Wintemute and his colleagues used Google and Yahoo news alerting services and the news archives of GunPolicy.org to track stories published between March 2008 and February 2009 that contained the phrase "stray bullet."

Wow... what a scientific study...

Actually, for the purposes of getting to the one number subby used, it's not half bad. There would be biases, but none that would impact that particular result. For example, news sites might focus on gruesome (read: deadly) and/or "tragic" (read: white, young) victims, so this would be bad in terms of how many stray bullets were fatal or struck people of a certain race or age. Gender, erm, maybe a bias toward women, but for the cost of just crawling some websites you could do a lot worse.

If they stuck to that, the methodology wouldn't be half as dumb as breaking down stray bullet victims by gender in the first place. So of course TFA goes beyond that and tries to stratify the data further.

Click Click D'oh:"To gather data for the study, Wintemute and his colleagues used Google and Yahoo news alerting services and the news archives of GunPolicy.org to track stories published between March 2008 and February 2009 that contained the phrase "stray bullet."

Wow... what a scientific study...

It's Wintemute. He's got a long history of bullshiat anti-gun studies. It's his "thang".

dragonchild:Click Click D'oh: "To gather data for the study, Wintemute and his colleagues used Google and Yahoo news alerting services and the news archives of GunPolicy.org to track stories published between March 2008 and February 2009 that contained the phrase "stray bullet."

Wow... what a scientific study...

Actually, for the purposes of getting to the one number subby used, it's not half bad. There would be biases, but none that would impact that particular result. For example, news sites might focus on gruesome (read: deadly) and/or "tragic" (read: white, young) victims, so this would be bad in terms of how many stray bullets were fatal or struck people of a certain race or age. Gender, erm, maybe a bias toward women, but for the cost of just crawling some websites you could do a lot worse.

If they stuck to that, the methodology wouldn't be half as dumb as breaking down stray bullet victims by gender in the first place. So of course TFA goes beyond that and tries to stratify the data further.

Yes, but because the results match what you expected doesn't make them right.

This might seem trivial but I would've wondered if there were more drivebys where women aren't hanging around, or if women would've already gone inside at the first sign, or if they were more likely to be hanging out in front where the shooty happens.

Yes, yes, Ric Romero has been alerted. That said... The findings are still interesting given that most perpetrators of gun violence in the US are men. Therefore people might have assumed that stray bullets were chiefly hitting men that were hanging around other gun totin' men (and one might have argued that they were, in a sense, asking for it, given that they were hanging around such dudes). But clearly there are lots of innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire too.

farkingnotworking:Yes, yes, Ric Romero has been alerted. That said... The findings are still interesting given that most perpetrators of gun violence in the US are men. Therefore people might have assumed that stray bullets were chiefly hitting men that were hanging around other gun totin' men (and one might have argued that they were, in a sense, asking for it, given that they were hanging around such dudes). But clearly there are lots of innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire too.

Faulty assumption: If the men hanging around other gun totin' men were asking for it, why weren't the women who were hanging around gun totin' men asking for it?

dittybopper:, Ric Romero has been alerted. That said... The findings are still interesting given that most perpetrators of gun violence in the US are men. Therefore people might have assumed that stray bullets were chiefly hitting men that were hanging around other gun totin' men (and one might have argued that they were, in a sense, asking for it, given that they were hanging around such dudes). But clearly there are lots of innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire too.

Faulty assumption: If the men hanging around other gun totin' men were asking for it, why weren't the women who were hanging around gun totin' men asking for it?

Women are generally smaller than males. (less stray bullet killings)They more often work indoors than males. (less stray bullet killings)They don't hunt near as much. (less time out doors during prime time stray bullet killing time)

I argue that such a high percentage of chicks getting offed might suggest many of these stray bullets might be less than stray.

At the very least saying "LOL, 50 percent of population = 50 percent of deaths" is uh.. not really how that whole science thing works.

BobDeluxe:dittybopper: , Ric Romero has been alerted. That said... The findings are still interesting given that most perpetrators of gun violence in the US are men. Therefore people might have assumed that stray bullets were chiefly hitting men that were hanging around other gun totin' men (and one might have argued that they were, in a sense, asking for it, given that they were hanging around such dudes). But clearly there are lots of innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire too.

Faulty assumption: If the men hanging around other gun totin' men were asking for it, why weren't the women who were hanging around gun totin' men asking for it?

dittybopper:farkingnotworking: Yes, yes, Ric Romero has been alerted. That said... The findings are still interesting given that most perpetrators of gun violence in the US are men. Therefore people might have assumed that stray bullets were chiefly hitting men that were hanging around other gun totin' men (and one might have argued that they were, in a sense, asking for it, given that they were hanging around such dudes). But clearly there are lots of innocent bystanders getting caught in the crossfire too.

Faulty assumption: If the men hanging around other gun totin' men were asking for it, why weren't the women who were hanging around gun totin' men asking for it?

I am guessing that when people pile into cars to go settle a dispute with guns, they are taking their primarily male crew with them. At least that is what I've learned from my extensive research watching Clint Eastwood movies and rap videos.

igotoofar:More impressive is they quote that 317 people died from 284 events.

That is 33 "Magic Bullets"!!!

Supposedly there was an amputation operation once that had 300% mortality:- Patient died- Doctor nicked assistant with saw, wound turned septic and assistant died- Bystander died from shock (heart attack?)