Messages - Sophocles

First of all, study something. Many books are freely on the net.There are many worlds, many different spiritual beings.Good books about this:Dr. Johannes Faust's Magia naturalis et innaturalisClaviculae salomonis ... try google. ...Or look for: Twilit Grotto: Archives of Western Esoterica..........and many others.

But, I think, better are eastern spiritual praktices - see for example Ocean of stories by Somadeva. Christians have been evoking hell. And it is not the best.

The reason I say that I am hesitant to define fallen angels as demons, is because I am not quite sure to what degree the Fallen embraced darkness. Now there is no doubt that they fell from grace and were perverted by ego and darkness, but I am not quite sure to what degree they all entirely "converted". They may or may not have retained some of their celestial composition. I'd also point out that they did not lose there celestial powers, they merely lost their "Angel status".

Wait, fallen angels are actual beings? This opens up yet another rabbit hole to go down. Was the Fall a single event that happened in the distant past, or do angels fall all the time? Was there really a war in heaven, did the angels fall because they wouldn't bow down to man? Is Lucifer one of the fallen? Are the Nephilim real as well?

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Yes, there is nothing stopping demons from becoming humans, and vice versa. And yes those that inhabit the celestial realms will eventually be no different than the angels which already inhabited those places. On top of that there will even be angels and demons which gain tetrapolarity but retain their purity and status, and will incarnate alongside "humans".

Spirits are constantly evolving on their own, shifting "classification", so the idea which have already been presented really aren't all that far fetched.Elementals often gain another element - losing their elemental status, elementals are essentially just collections of elemental energy which gained intelligence in the first place, demons lose their demonhood by gaining a positive element, fallen angels lost their angel status by being corrupted by darkness and rebelling, animal spirits eventually become human, I think I heard humans become HGA's for other humans incarnate on earth and etc.Spiritual evolution is everywhere

I like the fluidity that different beings have according to your belief system. It feels liberating to know that entities have the ability to shift their classification. In a way, it is very existentialist--the individual can create their own essence.

Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim? Your views don't seem very halal by mainstream standards, lol. And would the Jinn be classified as demons or elementals, or something else entirely?

I appreciate you answering all these questions, sorry if they seem annoying, I just enjoy absorbing and comparing information from many different systems.

I'm not sure what you think karma has to do with enlightenment, but anyways demons usually avoid deals which will overload your karma, good or bad. Especialy since they are somewhat responsible for what you do through the deal. But still, you may or may not find a demon who is both capable and willing to make a deal like this.

I just always kinda assumed that good karma brings you closer to enlightenment, but now that I think about it, it's probably more likely that all karma (whether good or bad) binds you in samsara because of the law of cause-and-effect. At least that appears to be what eastern religions would believe. Does your tradition consider enlightenment to be completely independent of one's karma and morality?

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That depends.The main issue is that when you go to serve the demon after death, you are cast into the spiritual sphere he resides in, regardless of your own composition.Our astral bodies, when we die, usually travel to a sphere that is harmonious with the composition of our own soul, however that isn't the case when you are forced to serve in a pact.Instead you will be in a sphere that may be disharmonious, and if you stay there, your soul will gradually transform and harmonize with the sphere which you are stuck in.

Now, how will this affect your spiritual evolution? Depends what your desires were in the first place.Obviously, if you are a right hand path hermetic magician, this will be quite a setback, and unless you escape(which I hear is possible), then the damage will be colossal.However, if you wanted to become a demon, than making a pact is a very easy way to fulfill that, since your soul will have to convert into the composition of that sphere regardless, and eventually your soul will be no different in composition than the demons which inhabit that place. In this case, its a win-win

I think it's absolutely fascinating that a human can become a demon. I guess I still subconsciously view demons through the Christian-influenced paradigm that dominates contemporary culture, in which demons are all fallen angels and are of a unalterably different nature than man. If a human can become a demon, does this mean that a demon can become a human? And do human souls who go to angelic realms shift in their composition as well, eventually becoming angels?

Ok, I know that most people on this forum are right-hand path, but just for curiosity's sake I was wondering: exactly how much can making a pact with a demon do for you? For example, is it possible for a demon to allow you to be reborn with the exact same personality and memories after you die, giving you an advantage over normal people who can't remember their past lives at all? Could someone potentially live numerous carefree lives, going from life to life with their conscious memories fully intact, until their time is up and it is time for them to serve the demon in an afterlife realm?Could a pact with a demon change a characteristic commonly held to be unalterable, such as gender or race? For example, could a transsexual make a pact that allows them to fully switch to the opposite sex in all its totality, with full reproductive capabilities?Can a demon grant you power on a global scale? And what happens if more than one person want the same power? For example, lets say five different people make pacts with different demons to become the President of the United States. Do the demons have to fight with each other to determine who it will be? Can making a pact actually boost your karma in certain circumstances? For example, if you make a deal with a devil to acquire healing powers and use these powers to save thousands of lives, would it increase your karma and move you closer to enlightenment?

Moving on from the potential benefits of pacts, I am curious about how one goes about making them. I assume you need both clairvoyance and clairaudience, right? And does the demon actually appear in physical form at certain places? For example, I heard somewhere that it is best to make a deal with Satan at a crossroads. Satan is supposed to show up driving a white car and wearing a white suit. I think he will invite you into his car and you make the pact there, I'm not sure. I know it sounds corny, but the world is a strange place!

Also, what are the drawbacks? I assume that at some point the person who makes the pact will have to be the demon's slave. Is this always a negative experience, or are some demons less cruel than others? How far will it set back one's spiritual evolution?

Anyways, thanks for all information you can give me. I know these questions may sound insane, but this is so far just for curiosity's sake. I am interested in any knowledge I can acquire, but of course I won't just automatically believe everything I hear on the internet.

Like how the world was proven long ago to not be flat, biology was proven to not be driven by animistic or vitalistic forces 190 years ago(almost 2 centuries). If you are one of these people who believes in chi, prana, ki, or whatever, just know you are just as foolish as people who believe the Earth is flat

If Ki isn't real, how do you explain Reiki, which is practiced worldwide and has observable benefits? Do you really think it's all in people's heads?

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I am really sick of occultists claiming they have the keys to spiritual development through their system of magic. They normally end up creating cults(like Prophecy did). The problem magicians and people who practice metaphysics tend to have are that they tend to be very pedantic and very conceited people(they’ll likely deny it of course). Spirituality is really an abstraction of having a sense of purpose, believing in something bigger than yourself, and feeling interconnected to things or people. Believe it or not, that is most people. Spirituality is correlated with pro-social behaviors and altruism, so if your “magical” or “mystical” practices don’t lead to you actively contributing to the world around you, specifically your community, you can’t really say you have developed spiritually as person meaning all the time you spend practicing the IIH is moot. Identifying a problem in your community and figuring out ways to help solve that problem in a way that you think of something beyond yourself that the community benefits from is great for your spiritual development. Adopting a mystical cosmology and then insisting you are more spiritually enlightened because of said cosmology is really just being an ass. As I said, spirituality is associated with pro-social and altruistic behaviors where a key component is the ability to see beyond yourself. That includes your beliefs. So, if you are not capable of seeing past your beliefs, you are not really capable of seeing past yourself, and if you can’t really see past yourself, then you have a hard time connecting to something greater than you. That sort of implies you’re not as spiritual as you might think. In my opinion, magicians are ironically more spiritually underdeveloped than your average person. The easiest way to gain spiritual knowledge is by learning to be of service and thinking of ways to leave the world a little bit better than when you found it(were born). Convoluted, ass-backwards mysticism not required. You see a homeless person who needs food. Buy them a meal. You see trash in a park. Pick it up. You see people victimized by a society. Help stand up for them. Again, no convoluted, ass-backwards woo cosmology required. Due to depending on that, I would say most occultists stifle their spiritual growth horribly. So, if you want to learn about the spiritual side of things, don't turn to magic. Just be a decent human being.

Hear we have it, the classic "hurr durr metaphysics is for people who don't care about others, just be nice to people lmao." This is very pedantic advice, you are exemplifying the same condescending behavior you accuse others of having. While pretending to be altruistic, it is clear that you just enjoy feeling superior to people with "woo" beliefs. Does anyone really gain out of fedora-tipping posts like this?

I don't know for sure, but I think that the stereotypical image of the witch is supposed to be an old woman, and old people simply have longer chins because facial characteristics change over time (the same applies to the nose). Also, very old people a long time ago typically lost a lot of teeth, so when they closed their mouths their chins and noses would come together. So I'm pretty sure that pointy chins on witches have more to do with age than anything involving the supernatural. I could be wrong, though. I'm no expert, and I am basing my opinion solely on the results of Google searches.

I read over Prophecy's little cult website and it looks like garbage. The information that is, not the web design. It's well worded and put together, it's just that the information is not true. Just like the other mystery schools, it appears to be a subtle form of luciferianism or devil worship. This is the type of cult that is going to claim enlightenment and illumination only to be walking around in spiritual darkness. If you want spiritual truth then read the bible and get saved. I'll make it easy for you who are learning disabled, here is a clip that can teach you how to achieve enlightenment in 7.5 minutes.

There have been many great mages throughout time, such as Hermes Trismegistus, Pythagoras, Franz Bardon, and many others. But nobody really knows who the most powerful mage of all time is, because magic has existed since before recorded history began.

Hey, I have been reading these forums for a while and decided to finally register, even though I might not post much. I mainly just read about metaphysical stuff instead of actually practicing, although I hope to change that eventually. I used to be a member of TDS for about a year, but I quit a few lectures into the aspirant flow because I felt like it wasn't the right place for me. I still have high respect for the teachers there, though. Anyways, nice to meet everyone!