No, I am not anyone's PR. Don't know how to that. But you sure sound like you are, and perhaps that is why 40% of *your* corporate customers are "switching away from BlackBerrys". I am using all the devices, have had and developed for them for a very very long time. BlackBerrys have their shortcomings but nothing more than any other product.

As for "desperate attempts", PlayBook has apps (of course it didn't have many the day it came out, no product ever did), bridging *is* innovative beyond what seem to be willing to accept, is very useful. Now it has native email for those like you.

And mriff, you have no idea who you are talking to either.

Again, lots of words, "you think you can compare" and "you know what works for you and what doesn't". Still not a single mention of any actual advantage of either device, just playing doen "old PlayBook" vs. "new iPad".

My PlayBook does more for me than iPad does for my iPad friends. I find it curious how much unfair bias there is everywhere against RIM, possibly because it is old stuff and people want to try something new, but still. Had there been more objective information about all products, the market picture would have been a lot different - not necessarily much better for BlackBerry, but definitely not as good for Apple.

I came to this forum recently to see what is going on forums. I usually don't spend time on these things. And I joined this one, as it is supposed to be BlackBerry oriented, hoping to find more people to exchange tons of good stuff. This thread was about the (old) PlayBook and the *new* iPad. You guys, the "veterans" of this forum, turned it into "my dad (Apple) is (now) bigger than your dad (RIM)".

As for whether you will pay for a new BES - if you want the functionality in it for any devices you will manage, you will need something new one way or another. And I am sure, based on your attitude, that you will pay for anything but BES, even if it isn't as good.

You have disclosed that much - thank you. That positions you clearly for others to know how to view your posts, past or future.

Whatever I sound like, views/posts like yours need a lot of balancing and someone needs to do this. Hopefully people will be able to read between your lines and past "you don't need this/that marketing" as I am not going to continue doing this. Had some time past few weeks, getting busy again.

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So maybe he got fed up doing the same thing for so long just at the time when RIM started making big changes? I'm not too happy with the past either, for the records. But things *are* changing now big time.... And while I do understand a lot of frustration, this thread was not started for that. There could be a lot said about that - somewhere else.

I found myself getting involved in the same thing... again. Forums like this are not for me.

So maybe he got fed up doing the same thing for so long just at the time when RIM started making big changes? I'm not too happy with the past either, for the records. But things *are* changing now big time.... And while I do understand a lot of frustration, this thread was not started for that. There could be a lot said about that - somewhere else.

I found myself getting involved in the same thing... again. Forums like this are not for me.

__________________The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.When you take things for granted, the things you are granted, get taken. Even a mosquito doesn't get a pat on the back until it starts to work.Too many people miss the silver lining because they're expecting gold.[BES 5.0.3 / GroupWise 2012 HP2]

Let's see here, we have RIM who has a recent history of going out for a few days or even 24hr's at a time, RIM's infrastructure down means no data and no emails coming through to the Blackberry. Now any decent company is going to have redundant email servers so if 1 goes down, the other comes up and nobody except the IT department knows the difference, if the BES is down, doesn't matter how many BES servers there are, it's not like you can just move a user to another one and off they go again with emails working. Our company develops apps for all the major tablet's and smartphone devices for our clients. multi billion $$ company and I'm in charge of the IT side of things as well as the budget. Like NJBlackBerry, I am not spending money where it's not needed. Our sales and marketing people have been more then happy with iPads and these people tried Android tablet's as well as I did. Nothing get's deployed out until I have tested it myself along with my teams and at least 2 execs. Then we sit down and talk about what we liked and what we didn't like about the devices.

Since switching people over to the iPads before the "new ipad" came out, not one single complaint has come in to the helpdesk. iTunes is not allowed on any company laptops and we lock the iPad's down to keep people from installing apps. There are 2 apps that are installed on them and they are ones that were written by our company for use on our company network. That includes the VPN software and file manager software. No need to update them for the "new ipad" because we're not rolling that out this year because it doesn't give us anything that we really need.

RIM is a sinking ship, playbook is/was an attempt to come try to compete with the tablet market and they lost in a major way. You need to open your eyes and see what's actually going on like the rest of us have who's been around for years with RIM and have defended them until we just couldn't do it anymore. I use the device that works for ME the best, we have options for the employee's to choose from and I'll be shutting down the last BES server by the end of the week since everyone will be on IOS.

__________________The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.When you take things for granted, the things you are granted, get taken. Even a mosquito doesn't get a pat on the back until it starts to work.Too many people miss the silver lining because they're expecting gold.[BES 5.0.3 / GroupWise 2012 HP2]

I haven't used a BB in a while now but I sure as hell hope they do recover from this. The more competition the better. I switched because of work. I on the other hand work for a small company and we can do pretty much everything on an iPhone you can do on a BB but without the cost of the BES. For a small company it's all about money in today's economy.

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I hope RIM can fix these flaws over time & make the units more appealing to first-time users. Although IMO, it may be too late for the current PlayBook, they should do a simultaneous hardware/software refresh that addresses these shortcomings, to get people to come back and "try the latest and greatest new thing".