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Keep in mind that Janadele is a Mormon and I'm an atheist (the church counts me a Mormon as my name is still in their records).

And to be fair, though I follow blogs and news on Mormonism and though I get lots of information from friends and family, I've not been active for years. I'm sure Janadele would prefer to speak for herself. But I'm happy to offer an opinion.

ETA: I stopped attending church almost two decades ago. Wow.

Sure, I'm just waiting for her to weigh in on anything in this thread outside of this lone remark:

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Jason, this thread has evolved from another thread in which off topic questions re LDS where being asked. Hence the generality of the title.

So far it seems I'm talking to you instead. And the OP is still really, uh, whatever man.

Sorry Halley, I do not have a link / reference at present, I will let you know when I find one.
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

...did you ever find a source on an official LDS stance on if Hermaphrodites can marry? You still haven't answered that one...

Sorry Halley, I do not have a link / reference at present, I will let you know when I find one.
Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

So how do I check my spirits gender, is it obvious or is does it require a study of the spirits plumage like a bird?

Will my spirit object to me have a grab around just to make sure?

and of course, most importantly, Evidence a spirit even exists.

__________________ "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum."
-Thomas Paine-
------------------------------------------------I am 100% confident all psychics and mediums are frauds.

Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

It's fairly obvious that your "answer" didn't work. This can be for several reasons--for example, your answer may not actually be an answer, it may not be a sufficient answer, or it may be that the person you're talking to doesn't understand your answer. Repeating it will not work.

You also haven't addressed any of the issues I brought up.

__________________GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

The core point I was trying to make is that God gives considerable latitude on what you can and cannot do under duress, meaning the range of things for which you would be punished by God is far narrower that the strict letter of the law would suggest. This means the decision of if one should obey a given law in a given circumstance is not just a question of "Will I be punished?" but one of "Is it moral to break this law at this time?"

I believe this is a matter of interpretation. There are too many scriptures dealing in absolutes (as given by an absolute authority who can see ahead in time and space), again depending on interpretation

Gender is an eternal characteristic. There is no negotiation on the gender of our Spirit. To abide by Eternal Law celibacy is the only option if for some genuine reason the gender of the Spirit is unknown.

That explains absolutely nothing (see post #50)

__________________Ego, ain't it a bitch?

I think I'll reroute my trip
I wonder if they'd think I'd flipped.
If I went to LA, via Omaha.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also known as LDS /Mormon, is a Christian denomination, but is neither Protestant nor Catholic... it is the restored Church of Jesus Christ, with eternal doctrines and teachings dating back to the days of Adam, and to our pre mortal existence.

__________________ "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum."
-Thomas Paine-
------------------------------------------------I am 100% confident all psychics and mediums are frauds.

Rand, That is the answer, whether anyone likes it or not. That is the truth. Further elaboration could only be speculation.

Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given.

So your answer is "I can't explain it any better, and if my explanation doesn't make sense it's your fault."

I don't mean that as a dismissal--I'm trying to show you how you sound to others. This rhetorical technique may work well enough for those who agree with you, but as a means of convincing others it sounds like nothing more than your run-of-the-mill post-hoc justifications to cover why you can't explain something.

Again, your communication technique IS NOT WORKING. I put that in caps because it's the important part here.

Quote:

The Eternal Gospel has existed since the beginning of time.

Where?

That's not sarcastic, by the way. I know that decapods existed since the Mesozoic because I can point you to rock units of Mesozoic age that contain decapods. I found them myself. So I can substantiate my claim. Can you do the same? Is there some place where the Eternal Gospel could be located in, say, 5,000 BC?

__________________GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

What do you expect from a religion that came about before the scientific study of human sexuality?

More to the point a religion that thinks dinosaur bones came from another planet (I wish I was making that up).

LDS Church Institute instructors teach that fossilized dinosaur bones are from creatures that lived on other worlds that were destroyed in the creation of the earth.

__________________ "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum."
-Thomas Paine-
------------------------------------------------I am 100% confident all psychics and mediums are frauds.

The flying spaghetti monster was writing it all down at the time, silly.

__________________ "The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum."
-Thomas Paine-
------------------------------------------------I am 100% confident all psychics and mediums are frauds.

More to the point a religion that thinks dinosaur bones came from another planet (I wish I was making that up).

LDS Church Institute instructors teach that fossilized dinosaur bones are from creatures that lived on other worlds that were destroyed in the creation of the earth.

I....I don't know how to take that. That's just....wow. Can you elaborate? Can a member of the LDS here elaborate? Please? I'm very curious about this. I blame it on the fact that my wife is attempting to get me drunk.

__________________GENERATION 8: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

So your answer is "I can't explain it any better, and if my explanation doesn't make sense it's your fault."

I don't mean that as a dismissal--I'm trying to show you how you sound to others. This rhetorical technique may work well enough for those who agree with you, but as a means of convincing others it sounds like nothing more than your run-of-the-mill post-hoc justifications to cover why you can't explain something.

Again, your communication technique IS NOT WORKING. I put that in caps because it's the important part here.

Where?

That's not sarcastic, by the way. I know that decapods existed since the Mesozoic because I can point you to rock units of Mesozoic age that contain decapods. I found them myself. So I can substantiate my claim. Can you do the same? Is there some place where the Eternal Gospel could be located in, say, 5,000 BC?

In discussion on another forum, Janadelle showed herself to be unable or unwilling to attempt to provide answers that were in any way her opinion.
All that she'll provide is information available directly from the LDS website.
Hermaphrodites are not addressed on the site, so she has no answer.

I don't think that's what she's going for. Seems instead she prefers to go for the martyr complex.

Merthyr is Welsh for martyr. Merthyr Tydfil is Mormon country. I knew quite a few of the tribe when I lived there. Nice people, but deluded. The biggest problem that the Mormons in Merthyr Tydfil had in the 1960's was preventing certain elements of the local population from stripping the gold leaf from the Mormon church spire.

In discussion on another forum, Janadelle showed herself to be unable or unwilling to attempt to provide answers that were in any way her opinion.
All that she'll provide is information available directly from the LDS website.
Hermaphrodites are not addressed on the site, so she has no answer.

Plus those websites are limited in their ability to address issues. It's obvious that apologetics for something like hermaphroditism just leads to more and more unanswerable questions.

I was told over and over to put my doubts on a shelf and trust in god. Why did god give me a brain if he wanted me to be a brain dead sheep?

__________________Ego, ain't it a bitch?

I think I'll reroute my trip
I wonder if they'd think I'd flipped.
If I went to LA, via Omaha.