“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert”. – J Robert Oppenheimer.

I don’t know how it is up until 2015 with the ozone, but I am sure you will find it is going up further….showing a spectacular rise, along with the peroxides of course, [due the water vapor presence high up]
cutting off more UV going into the oceans.

Is the drop in UV enough to cause the Southern Ocean temperature drop, presumably the largest influence would be an increase in cloud cover, but I doubt we have sufficient satellite measurements to know if there has been an increase in cloud cover, I guess it wouldn’t take much of a percentage increase.

I guess clouds have more influence over land and so impact temperatures more in the Northern hemisphere. Clouds primarily reflect the infra red, but do they reduce the UV at all ? If not then what is causing the Southern ocean temperature drop, UV on its own ?

NASA are putting up 6 satellites to measure sea levels, it would be more useful if they had been destined to measure clouds and the radiation budget of Earth instead.

If the volume of the Antarctica ice was decreasing the minimum anomalies at the peak of the summer melt (~ February) would be decreasing, but the anomalies are increasing all year round.
It’s the cooling of the entire S. Pole that’s causing the increasing ice.
The Arctic is also starting to cool now and the ice there is starting to accumulate again.
As Paul said, you only have “.. to add two and two together.”

I’m sorry you seem to have mistaken my cynical and sarcastic attempt at humor as a personal statement of belief.

Just for the record I agree with Professor Woods experiment on greenhouse effects. He simply and effectively disproved the notion of CO2 performing any magic and heating a greenhouse or indeed a planet.

Sorry tom0mason I did miss your cynical and sarcastic attempt at humor.
Anyway I’ve found some interesting material in the following {:Molecular Physics in the Domain Of Radiant Heat.

A Series of Memoirs Published in ‘The Philosophical ‘
Transactions and PHIOSOPHICAL Magazine;with Additions

By
JohnTyndall,, L.L.D. F.R.S.
Professor of Natural Philosophy In The Royal Institution
London
Published 1872.

Molecular Physics in the Domain Of Radiant Heat. A Series of Memoirs Published in ‘The Philosophical ‘ Transactions and PHIOSOPHICAL Magazine;with Additions by JohnTyndall,, L.L.D. F.R.S. Professor of Natural Philosophy In The Royal Institution London Published 1872.}

On pages 312 to 314 Tyndall sheds some IR light on why glaciers melt.
A little knowledge of thermodynamics illustrates that atmospheric temperatures has very little to do with glaziers and ice flows melting.

As most glaziers are on the tops of mountains ,atmospheric temperatures are near freezing even on a bright sunny day. Thus the IR and UV are melting the ice.

“Time to take a quick look at the sea ice situation down under, as I must have missed it on BBC News!”

The BBC is too busy with the Arctic to bother about the Antarctic. Shukman is on another of his frequent Arctic trips to observe the warming for himself. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32467674 “the Arctic is on course to switch at some point this century from having permanent ice-cover to existing in a state where the ice comes and goes with the seasons”. Shukman, not being a scientist, knows these things.

Some of the people who predicted the Arctic ice would ALL be gone this year (Wadham, for one) are wriggling that “officially” the Arctic would be ice-free, even with a million square kilometers of sea-ice hanging on in Canadian waters. Kafka couldn’t make it up. Little chance of falling that low, anyway.