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I dont have any sub left to take even if I wanted to. That makes me feel scared if the RLS starts to happen to me. I'm doing good so far. I just feel a little off. I agree the sub doctor is a scam. They dont tell you about the awful withdrawal you will go through when you quit. They also dont even try to get you to go off it. Hell they just let you take it forever if you want.

It is a money making scheme. It did help me get clean from the other stuff, but then I was hooked on subs. 260 dollars a month to go there. I cant do it anymore.

I have to go back to work in 4 days. Full time job. I am worried a little about that. I feel like I can probably do it. I guess I wont have a choice lol.

Again I really appreciate everyone cheering me on, and giving me advice. It's really making me feel better because I dont have anyone to talk to about this. You all rock!!

Don't fear the RLS. That experience was from when I did not have Kratom! That was what it was like when I came off Tramadol and then if I ran out of Suboxone.

Now with Kratom I have only had one mild night of RLS and the next night after that I was able to avoid it by taking a potassium supplement tablet and taking some melatonin. Worked perfect and I slept fine.

I hope you will learn as I did that FEAR, itself, is an unfamiliar and SCARY emotion IN LARGE PART because opiates including subs BLOCK those emotions from properly functioning! Along with the other emotions.

During this time, your emotions are likely ALL OUT OF WHACK already. Part of staying addicted is from the instinctual FEAR OF FEELING and FEAR OF WITHDRAWAL drives many people to suicide.

Discomfort is not managed properly in the addicted brain.

Try to relax and review your spontaneous thoughts and you’ll notice they are going CRAZY in your head. That is the brain’s nervous system responding to a lack of subs.

It has been my experience as I’m in my second year of recovery from drugs and alcohol, that my spontaneous thoughts and instinct to act is ADDICTION fueled. I still have to stop, review that thought, and THEN probably dispose of it!

Now I’m not accusing anyone of anything except the drugs DO THIS TO THE BRAIN and during the healing process, it’s important to let those thoughts come - and go. You’ll have a few days of haywire thinking as new cells make unfamiliar connections.

My brain was resistant to repairing properly and CRAVED the opiate. The beauty of kratom is it temporarily BLOCKS that craving, therefore allowing proper healing to continue without more opiates being necessary.

It’s much FASTER in the brain than it was for me to write that paragraph.

KRA KRA has definitely been reminding you that this detox will not be fraught with near the depression and other challenges you FEAR, very naturally.

These drs have SOME NERVE putting people on MORE ADDICTING medications to “cure” the epidemic.

I did have a major fear of the withdrawal. It was scary to think life wasn't going to slow down just so I can get better. The withdrawal last a very long time, and I would still have to do everything I normally do.

I'm doing good now. Im not feeling to scared of it, and I'm trying to relax! I hope tommorow goes even better than today. I'll admit I had some bad points today.

Thank you Laurie, and everyone else who is helping me along through this. I am learning lots of new stuff. It really does help me a lot!!

Nobody said this is easy! No WAY. The really hardest part is STARTING and STAYING ON TRACK for the first two weeks. Kratom all but guarantees success, in my opinion.

Please share what you ended up ordering today unless you already did (I’m just checking in).

The mind and expectations can make it SO MUCH WORSE than it need be.

You’ll be helping us calm more people before you know it.

Thanks for being WILLING TO ACCEPT ADVICE. I had trouble with that, too!

You’ll be in some discomfort during nighttime simply because it’s nearly impossible to rest properly for about the first 3 weeks. Really RESTFUL stuff. But I have had the joy of training my own Mom as well as others that pain and discomfort are VERY DIFFERENT. That distinction has helped me locally with helping people stay clean as well (without kratom. Open minds are slow in coming out in the real world).

You sound MUCH BETTER and I bet your day was more challenging. The rest is steady as she goes. Dose as needed. Repeat.

I am so happy I found this forum. Everyone here is so great, and insightful. That will definitely help me stay on track during this hard part.

I was going to order some, but I accidentally took a super long nap. I guess I must have needed it. I want to look into ordering the kava from pdo tommorow, and maybe that 45 dollar sampler pack they have.

I am sleeping ok so far, but it's not for really long periods of time. Its maybe 4 hours at most. It's not a problem now since I'm off work. It might be bad if it doesn't get better before I go back to work.

I work night shift, so I have to try and sleep during the day. I'm sure it will be ok. I am excited to be over this someday. I am also worried about how Post Acute Withdrawal might affect me. I took subutex for 6 years (Really bad, I know).

I cant say it enough Thank you again, and I cant wait till I can help people too someday!

Sometime when substances are involed we get used to being numb....hell sometimes we take substances so we CAN be numb!

SO just remember that emotions will happen and they are OK. It is quite human to "feel" something. Feeling is actually what makes us humans....and those emotion are OK.

People have reported that Kratom helps to even out the roller coaster of emotions, so it flattens out quite a bit, BUT it will not make you numb.

So if you are not used to "feeling" anything or if your emotions scare you, just be prepared to feel a little bit more as the drugs leave your system.

Taking care of yourself is paramount in this whole process. It is OK to NOT do anything. It is OK to just sit and have quiet moments of reflection. It is OK to take things one day at a time....even one hour at a time if that is what it takes, because taking care of yourself is the most important thing you can do...especially if you have people in your life that you look after.

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