A militarily weak US government could have saved us trillions of taxpayer dollars

CBS News first identified Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi as "Curveball" in a 2007 investigation of "one of the deadliest con jobs of our time."

Although U.N. inspectors found no evidence to back up al-Janabi's claims of a biological weapons program, the Bush administration still relied on the bogus evidence to start a war that's led to over 100,000 deaths (plus millions of refugees fleeing the terror which we call war )

If the US government was militarily weak like Switzerland, even if Al-Janabi lied to us, would the US government have had the power to go to war against Iraq and if it could not, today we would have saved trillions of dollars ( projected ) and saved hundreds of thousands of lives

including saving the lives of tens of thousands of our soldiers who have either died horrifying deaths or were injured or maimed or are suffering from PTSD

and valuable resources could have been directed to saving millions of Americans lives because right now, millions of Americans are dying every few years while cancer funding research is being cut right now

Seriously though, we can definitely stand to cut military spending by 50% or more and still adequately defend our borders from foreign invaders.

"I must speak, that I may find relief; I must open my lips and answer. I will not show partiality to any man or use flattery toward any person. For I do not know how to flatter, else my Maker would soon take me away."
-Job 32:20-21

What was wrong with your other thread on this subject? If you're a one-subject poster, make a thread and stick to it.

Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet

You talk of mountains and molehills; I find that ironic. To you, being called names for using unapproved speech is a "mountain," but Edward Snowden, the NSA, the War of Terror, higher taxes, racial profiling, government run healthcare and free housing are "molehills". That sort of confused misprioritazation is exactly what's wrong with Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

When your position is indefensible, a good offense becomes something more than 'the best defense'. It's the only defense.

CBS News first identified Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi as "Curveball" in a 2007 investigation of "one of the deadliest con jobs of our time."

Although U.N. inspectors found no evidence to back up al-Janabi's claims of a biological weapons program, the Bush administration still relied on the bogus evidence to start a war that's led to over 100,000 deaths (plus millions of refugees fleeing the terror which we call war )

If the US government was militarily weak like Switzerland, even if Al-Janabi lied to us, would the US government have had the power to go to war against Iraq and if it could not, today we would have saved trillions of dollars ( projected ) and saved hundreds of thousands of lives

including saving the lives of tens of thousands of our soldiers who have either died horrifying deaths or were injured or maimed or are suffering from PTSD

and valuable resources could have been directed to saving millions of Americans lives because right now, millions of Americans are dying every few years while cancer funding research is being cut right now

The actual conclusion is we'd be rich but under the control of a foriegn power. Hmmm, rich slaves are slaves none the less.

Originally Posted by Torchbearer

what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.

My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Free mental health testing should be optional unless they want to buy guns. Would you let a person like Brevik buy a gun ?

From your identical position I suspect you are PubJohn47?, recreated right after banning.
Is this true?

Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004

Yes weakness in the face of aggressive militaristic foriegn entities that would love to rule you is indeed dumb.

Originally Posted by Torchbearer

what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.

My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Well it does happen to those who feel but do not think. It does happen to those that refuse to consider all of the possibilities. It does happen to those that are either unwilling or afraid to protect themselves.

Well it does happen to those who feel but do not think. It does happen to those that refuse to consider all of the possibilities. It does happen to those that are either unwilling or afraid to protect themselves.

Who said anything to that effect? You're just trying to put words in others' mouths here.

Further, you claimed "Yes weakness in the face of aggressive militaristic foriegn entities that would love to rule you is indeed dumb."-implying that paring the military down to a reasonable, affordable, and cost-efficient size is "weakness". It's not. You are, as you would say, "feeling rather than thinking". That is why you fail.

Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 08-04-2011 at 11:56 PM.

Originally Posted by Torchbearer

what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.

My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Well it does happen to those who feel but do not think. It does happen to those that refuse to consider all of the possibilities. It does happen to those that are either unwilling or afraid to protect themselves.

Only if the Sheriff is duly elected by the ghosts. And the deputies are also ghosts.

Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004

From your identical position I suspect you are PubJohn47?, recreated right after banning.
Is this true?

yourviewpoints
Banned

would seem so.

Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004

Who said anything to that effect? You're just trying to put words in others' mouths here.

Further, you claimed "Yes weakness in the face of aggressive militaristic foriegn entities that would love to rule you is indeed dumb."-implying that paring the military down to a reasonable, affordable, and cost-efficient size is "weakness". It's not. You are, as you would say, "feeling rather than thinking". That is why you fail.

Perhaps you should reread the op's post. Being militarily weak was indeed the premise of his discourse was it not? Weakness is not something we as a nation should strive for as it invites attack.

Perhaps you should reread the op's post. Being militarily weak was indeed the premise of his discourse was it not? Weakness is not something we as a nation should strive for as it invites attack.

What we have here is someone trying to get us to alienate G.O.P. voters with our anti-imperialism. But, as the sign said, FAIL. No libertarian Constitutionalist is anxious to have the nation taken over from without any more than we're pleased it was taken over from within.

Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet

You talk of mountains and molehills; I find that ironic. To you, being called names for using unapproved speech is a "mountain," but Edward Snowden, the NSA, the War of Terror, higher taxes, racial profiling, government run healthcare and free housing are "molehills". That sort of confused misprioritazation is exactly what's wrong with Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

When your position is indefensible, a good offense becomes something more than 'the best defense'. It's the only defense.

What we have here is someone trying to get us to alienate G.O.P. voters with our anti-imperialism. But, as the sign said, FAIL. No libertarian Constitutionalist is anxious to have the nation taken over from without any more than we're pleased it was taken over from within.

Absolutely. And I think that was what Virgil was trying to point out to the OP.

Absolutely. And I think that was what Virgil was trying to point out to the OP.

Actually, I think he was trying to point it out to the voluntaryist. But, yes.

Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet

You talk of mountains and molehills; I find that ironic. To you, being called names for using unapproved speech is a "mountain," but Edward Snowden, the NSA, the War of Terror, higher taxes, racial profiling, government run healthcare and free housing are "molehills". That sort of confused misprioritazation is exactly what's wrong with Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

When your position is indefensible, a good offense becomes something more than 'the best defense'. It's the only defense.

And, hb, speak for yourself when you talk about epic fails happening to all of us.

Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet

You talk of mountains and molehills; I find that ironic. To you, being called names for using unapproved speech is a "mountain," but Edward Snowden, the NSA, the War of Terror, higher taxes, racial profiling, government run healthcare and free housing are "molehills". That sort of confused misprioritazation is exactly what's wrong with Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

When your position is indefensible, a good offense becomes something more than 'the best defense'. It's the only defense.

I see my point has been totally missed. I have nothing against actual defense. But the current arrangement is more offensive than defensive. It's not realistic in the real world to abandon defense. You should all be allowed to have whatever army you want to pay for. I would certainly pay into a true defense system. I am against the current ridiculously overblown, overpriced MIC.

Last edited by heavenlyboy34; 08-05-2011 at 10:54 AM.

Originally Posted by Torchbearer

what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.

My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I, too, am against six hundred dollar hammers and five hundred dollar screws. I, too, am against rampant imperialism. But these things have no place in this thread. This thread is a troll thread about weak defense. It's a trap, and I would hope we're all too smart to fall into it. I would hope that...

Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet

You talk of mountains and molehills; I find that ironic. To you, being called names for using unapproved speech is a "mountain," but Edward Snowden, the NSA, the War of Terror, higher taxes, racial profiling, government run healthcare and free housing are "molehills". That sort of confused misprioritazation is exactly what's wrong with Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by acptulsa

When your position is indefensible, a good offense becomes something more than 'the best defense'. It's the only defense.

I see my point has been totally missed. I have nothing against actual defense. But the current arrangement is more offensive than defensive. It's not realistic in the real world to abandon defense. You should all be allowed to have whatever army you want to pay for. I would certainly pay into a true defense system. I am against the current ridiculously overblown, overpriced MIC.

+rep. 250 million guns means it's unlikely anyone would try to take us over. And we could have a strong defensive military without having much offensive capability. Regardless once we go broke it won't matter. We'll all be like "Wasn't it cool how we were strong enough to defend ourselves militarily before we became too broke to afford even the fuel for the jets and ships and stuff?"

+rep. 250 million guns means it's unlikely anyone would try to take us over. And we could have a strong defensive military without having much offensive capability. Regardless once we go broke it won't matter. We'll all be like "Wasn't it cool how we were strong enough to defend ourselves militarily before we became too broke to afford even the fuel for the jets and ships and stuff?"

Russia is an interesting example. At the last May Day parade in Red Square, only one type of vehicle on display was in service during the Cold War. We may laugh at them now, but they are using the collapse as a means of reform.

Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

Russia is an interesting example. At the last May Day parade in Red Square, only one type of vehicle on display was in service during the Cold War. We may laugh at them now, but they are using the collapse as a means of reform.

Wouldn't it be a sick joke if after all our crowing about "winning the cold war", Russia and China ended up being the world's only superpowers?

Wouldn't it be a sick joke if after all our crowing about "winning the cold war", Russia and China ended up being the world's only superpowers?

Fortunately for us, they are still very limited in their ability to project power more than a couple of hundred miles beyond their borders. But the irony is not lost on me.

Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

Wouldn't it be a sick joke if after all our crowing about "winning the cold war", Russia and China ended up being the world's only superpowers?

Indeed!

Originally Posted by Torchbearer

what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.

My music/art page is here"government is the enemy of liberty"-RPEphesians 6:12 (KJV)For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.