I realize their system is being abused and needs to be reworked, but this is hardly an advertisement for a land of opportunity, trying to recruit foreign business. The U.S. doesn't discriminate foreign or domestic when it comes to employing the best and the brightest and such is why the U.S. is considered the land of opportunity. ...

I just see this reform, occurring at this time, as a contradiction to the push for economic development. If the U.K.'s homegrown aren't being picked for jobs, ummm, maybe there's a good reason they're unemployed. A systemic one that begins in primary or secondary school perhaps?

One problem I've noticed is that many native Brits choose to NOT work and simply mooch off of benefits. A lot of Eastern Euros come to Britain and end up working on jobs that the regular Brit sniffs at, meanwhile in the US we have much of the same problem, mainly with our underclass that does the same. So the 'underclass' jobs go to Mexicans or Asians who use them as a way to make a much better living and spring into better things in time. Look at KM, chose to not work despite having a good degree and connections; if not for her degree and parents, she would be no different than a Chav really. Same with a lot of students, they choose not to work their way through and therefore end up with a degree, but no experience and then they disdain a job where they will be starting out.

^It should. Well, it makes me nervous, too, I must say. From the map and the area covered, those bombers were in NATO country. So much for the talks last week. Nobody bought that on any news channel in the US anyway.

The rouble is rapidly losing any value and the oil fields in Russia are not cost effective to extract, so he is eyeing up other countries to go after their oil. Hence his friendship with the syrians and Iranians et al.

Nor should you trust him. He's been building a cult of personality around him and of course, making sure he contrasts with Obama, looking more favorable. I do think something is going down in Russia right now behind closed doors.

And I'm going to go slightly off topic here too, but please bear with me.

There is a photo on another royal forum, (I'm only a member here), and it is of Putin eyeing up a crown of the Georgian Royal Family.

Now I did go onto the Georgian Royal Family part and it was pictured there. I'll try and post it, but can't remember what the forum is called.

Two "heirs" of the GRF married and had a son Georg Bragationi, some thought, including me, to reunite the GRF. (Some members of the GRF fled to Spain in the 1920's, the others stayed in Georgia, which became USSR, now back to Georgia again.) Some historians think they were descended from the House of David, 3000 years ago. Anyway, .......

But under Putin, there was an invasion of Georgia, for access to oil fields in the ME Middle East possibly?, and this is why the couple, both HRH's, were thought to have wed. To reunite the family in the face of a hostile and huge neoghbour, Russia. She was already married and had two of a family when she this marriage was arranged. Her name is Princess Anna and her husband is Prince David. And some have said it was to prevent Georgia from being incorporated into 'Russia' again. A bit like is happening in Ukraine now, IMHO.

Also, the old Soviet Union anthem is now used when it is Russia that is being represented, so Putin obviously thinks of himself as a latter day Czar. IMO. And that anthem being used is a huge red flag for me. So I think you are right on the button there KF and he is a man to be watched and be wary of.

The most concerning thing to me is that Russia is generating new weapons all the time, while the west is not. Russia sees the west as the enemy and much of their populace does too. Regardless of one's political views, Obama isn't, IMO, a strong enough leader to counter Putin. His sole focus seems to be on improving his golf game. Meanwhile Putin is playing the game of nations.

^You have a great point. The US is still #1 in arms manufacturing and study and we just came out with some monster of a machine. But, being the peacenik I am, it's a hard road for me. As much as I *despise* to admit it, with the world the way it is now, it's time for a leader in the US who at least disarms our enemies instead of trying conciliatory progress. Some of that works but I unfortunately or fortunately see a hawkish new President on the horizon. Putin isn't somebody I'd mess around with. The man has no conscience and if, God forbid, he went to bed with ISIS we'd have a holy horror on our hands.

Cameron's response - "this does not deserve the dignity of a response" is translated by Putin as "the UK lacks sufficient military resources to do anything about this". Which is true.

Like the Italian President who when ISIS beheaded people in Libya got all excited and said "we need to do something and respond militarily" but then he took a look at the state of his military and the next day he started talking about how the UN needed to do something.

Europeans may yet regret gutting their militaries.

The planes off Cornwall is a bit alarming because normally the Russians only fly into the Northeast coastal areas - that is quite a trek for them to get to Cornwall and it is worrisome that the Brits failed to pick them up.

^Another great point. I was shocked, while doing a little research, that Germany has such low military strength that they used brooms during war games. The last thing I want to do is advocate building more bombs or anything like that but when you have a burglar or murderer entering your house, sitting down and talking it over may not be your best defense.

Published on Apr 5, 2015MP for West Suffolk Matt Hancock denying blocking the amendment that would have provided a limited amount of protection for people willing to give evidence against MPs involved in child abuse and those involved in covering it up (most of them). This was done whilst he was on a walk about in a suffolk

The UK getting heartily sick of all the spin going on re the forthcoming Election. Just part of similar comments all over the net.

'What the politicians don't get is that no one trusts any of them any more. It is all about ridiculous PR spin that is just too obvious and manufactured. People don't want to see them on 'date nights' cooking up a storm in their kitchens, taking children to school, bathing the baby or whatever. Don't they get it, we want politicians we can respect and are truthful not the rest of the nonsense - all a bit too late for that now.

A Spivey article, so beware of the language, which I do not approve of and so wish he would not use. Like him or *despise* him, he does tell it as it is though. So, are we surprised prince philip´s aide was cleared of child molesting, not, not one bit. They are all above the law when connected with the rf, look at randy andy. mummy called in favours for him.

This just makes my blood boil. The lies, they always get to me, I detest all the lies.

Lord Janner made secret visits to the Lords AFTER being declared unfit for police questions over child abuse allegations Documents reveal visited Westminster once in May and twice in June 2014Doctors said in April 2014 his dementia was too advanced to be questionedBut peer said he was on official business and signed for cheque for costsQuestions raised over how he can be well enough to conduct 'official business' if dementia is supposedly so advanced he cannot speak to police

This just about sums about the "you scratch my back and I´ll scratch yours" that goes on in British politics. Seems to get worse every week these days.

Lord Janner was still director of his firm THREE WEEKS ago, it emerges as damning dossier alleges police chief allowed peer to molest young boys Director of Public Prosecutions Alison Saunders sparked outrage when she ruled the Labour peer's dementia meant he would not be prosecutedYet less than a week earlier, the former Labour MP was at the top of a list of company directors for his firm West Heath Road Seasons LtdJanner, 86, stood down as a director of the company on April 10, six days before Miss announced would not be charged with 22 child sex offences

A lawyer relative suggested suing the club, especially if other members were involved. The Club had to know something untoward was going on, at the very least. Find a disgruntled waiter or someone to be the witness. This is truly disgusting.

Paedophilia is disgusting, full stop. Dirty old man, and the Establishment covering up for him. About sums it up really. They will cover up for their "own" paedophiles, so many at it, and they will all cover for one another because there but for the Grace of God go any one of them getting exposed. Bring him down and he could bring the whole Government down, most of them are paedophiles from what is coming out these days. No wonder they are all trying to hush it up, running scared big time. Hope it does all come out, the things they do to those poor souls, left with their lives ruined, if they are left alive at all. Pa, the gardener, better not dig the garden too deep at AH, only a stones throw from Sandringham where allegedly there are a lot of bodies buried. All vile and disgusting, makes me go cold and feel sick at the depths of depravity they sink too.

I think there must be a lot of rich pedophiles in the world. Look how many missing children there are every year. The fact that they keep taking them shows that there is always a demand for "fresh young kids," and they must be making good money to make it all worth the effort. A lot of teenagers run away from bad homes and end up there, too.

So many people are campaigning to lower the age of consent and legalize prostitution, combined with increasingly graphic "sex ed" at younger and younger ages (I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the people in charge of creating some of these programs were arrested because there was child p**n on their computers), condoms given out at elementary schools, they are trying to normalize this. I think the people who are campaigning for these things are the ones who should be investigated first, I bet a lot of them have skeletons in their closet and the police could get some leads on who's behind this.

^^^^@Val - Interesting about your relative's comment - pity we can't get him/her to investigate this lot!! Someone I know suggested getting three mental health experts to evaluate Janner as well as a private investigator to follow him to obtain proof of lucidity and then request another evaluation of his mental capacity to be questioned or put on trial – if this is refused then publish the PI's report.

From what I have read and heard I think a very high proprotion of paedophiles are amongst the Government/MP´s themselves. No wonder they want to keep it hushed up. Out that lot and there would not be many Government officials/MP´s left from the sound of it.

Pressure builds on the DPP to resign but I am beginning to wonder whether she was pressured into making the decision she did - after all there are probably plenty of influnetial/powerful people who would not want Janner prosecuted - he might be tempted to sing like a canary and take them down with him. Of course I could be wrong but it is just a thought.........

At last the DPP overturns her earlier decision tp prosecute Janner. Last week we were told that the QC reviewing the DPP's decison not to prosecute said that the evidence against Janner to be tested in a criminal court – in a procedure known as a ‘trial of the facts’ – even if he is too unwell to attend but that he would not actually be prosecuted

Now it appears he WILL be prosecuted... the first hearing will be on 7th August 2015 at Westminster Magistrates Court - prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to prosecute the former Labour MP and have formally charged him with 22 counts of sexual abuse - including indecent assaults on children under the age of 16 - allegedly committed in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

^Brilliant Marion. I heard that on the news. Hope he gets the book thrown at him. He was always fit to stand trial, but he had someone minding his back for him, no doubt another paedophine. Vile and disgusting lot. He was fit enough to attend House of Lords, fit enough to drive his car and park it at HoL. He just wanted to get away with it and thought he could. IMO there is an awful lot more to come out on this front, not just Janner, many, many more.

This was posted a few months back but it needs to be given more publicity - it's a pity more wasn't made of this before the election then call-me-dave never would have been voted inhttp://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/05/kengate-prime-minister-david-cameron-personally-implicated-in-scandal-2517420.html

Interesting article, already been removed from The Independent front page. Seems as though the Government want the poor old public to know less than ever on the information front. About time we kicked up, they take all our money, we need to know what is going on.

The end of FoI? 'Right to know' in peril as Government targets Freedom of Information

We wouldn't have known about the RAF involvement in Syria had it not been for FOI and I think that's what this RF Nazi story is being used to cover up. Just my guess but when we get something like this I always ask myself what is it they don't want us to know about or take notice of.

More sleaze and corruption.... this time Tessa Jowell and her husband David Mills in the news again ... I wonder if they will "split up" the way they did when Mills was facing prosecution for taking bribes so as not to damage Tessa's reputation. They got back together when the trial was over but now she is running or Mayor of London so it looks like someone is out to skupper her chances. The truth always comes out in the end

Why am I not surprised....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3142099/Police-files-sex-abuse-Gordunstoun-Prince-Philip-Prince-Charles-educated-vanished.html

Nope, not surprised at all, which reveals such a lot doesn´t it.

^ Loved this bit of the article

David Mills, the husband of former Labour Cabinet Minister and London Mayoral candidate Tessa Jowell, has been linked to a criminal network dumping toxic and radioactive waste in the oceans in a report unearthed by The Mail on Sunday.

The long-buried report focuses on one of Mills’s long-standing legal clients – an exotic Swiss aristocrat named Baron Filippo Dollfus von Volkesberg, who played a central role in the network and is now in custody in Italy, facing trial as one of the biggest money-launderers in history. He is accused of working on behalf of organised criminal gangs such as the Sicilian Mafia.

The revelation that Mills acted for a man with Mafia connections dubbed ‘the black baron’ and ‘the marquess of money-laundering’ by the Italian press will cause embarrassment to former Culture Secretary Ms Jowell at a critical time in her campaign to become London Mayor.

Karma is such a b*tch, be sure your sins will find you out, no matter how deep you try to bury them. Bit like the nazi "training" programme vid The Sun released of HM when younger. Took 80 years, but out it has come.

^^ No, unfortunately not ^ Heavens Val where did you find that ..they may all be dead but at least now we know,we were lied to about these papers itxproves how dishonest the government is ...as if we needed reminding. Isn't W van S the father of Charlotte's godfather ?

^^ No, unfortunately not ^ Heavens Val where did you find that ..they may all be dead but at least now we know,we were lied to about these papers itxproves how dishonest the government is ...as if we needed reminding. Isn't W van S the father of Charlotte's godfather ?

^^Tom van Straubenzee (Charlotte's godfather) is the eldest son of Alexander Henry van S, whose own father was Lt Colonel Henry van S, so no the government minister isn't in that particular part of the family.

Yet when he became Prime Minister he was pleading poverty because had to sell his Islngton house for around £600,000 and it went for one million soon after. Yes where did he get his money and lets not forget the Cherie situation where she got tied up with a frauster and bought 2 flats through him.

Seriously, £172 for a trip just over half a mile. He should be made to reimburse the public coffers, greedy, lazy individual. Mind you, no doubt this is just the tip of the iceberg, if this can go through what else has been done in the past.

I'm beginning to think we need a seperate thread for *nasty* issues - what do you guys think? The issue is not going away anytime soon and it would keep it all in one place and not jumbled up with other UK issues

^If he had any shame he would not have behaved in such a way in the first place, end of. Wonder if his wife knew, if not what a terrible shock poor woman. How could you stay with a man like that, what a vile, despicable creature he is.

The latest political news is about the desperate immigrants trying to get in to the UK which they see as a land with pavements lined with gold. Many scathing comments and criticism of Cameron's handling of the situation everywhere.

Here are a couple

'It's staggering and the imbecile has gone on holiday. Go and look at John Redwood's blog he is asking people for comments which he will personally pass onto Theresa May.

You know I've always been a bit ambivalent about Mrs Thatcher but I have no doubt whatsoever she would have gone completely ape shite at this mess and would have ordered the army in.

My daughter and family came back via Dover yesterday as they were sailing from Calais they got through OK as it's the tunnel that's currently under attack. However there were illegals everywhere and they could clearly see the camp which they said is simply enormous.

Fifty years ago this would have been enough to start a war. Cameron is a lackey of the elite and have you read the comments of one Peter Surherland UN special representative on migration who says our sovereignty and homgeneity should be undermined? He works for scumbags Goldman Sacs and is deputy chair of the Bielderberg swine.'

and another

'Cameron needs to resign as he will never, ever put the needs of this nation before anything else. He is weak and completely out of this depth with this illegal immigrant problem. The Judaeo-Christian civilisation of Europe is under threat and he proposes more sniffer dogs at the Eurotunnel!! You couldn't make it up...'

'We need to organise a modern-day Civil Defence Corps to protect our way of life. As an island, we should never be under this kind of threat, but we are owing to our greedy and duplicitous politicians. Cameron is a puppet of the EU and the Bilderberg group and has no concern about his fellow citizens. I believe that Goldman Sachs called themselves The Masters of the Universe and is an utterly ruthless organisation.'

^Totally agree Val, cameroon is a total disgrace, and off he goes on holiday, can´t keep him from what he considers the important things in life can we, his holiday. Mind you, thought his life was one long holiday :laugh:

The paedophilia stuff going on as well, talk about bury your head in the sound. We have illegal immigrants seeing as as the land of golf, and the MP´s thinking they are entitled to paedophilia and have their a$$es covered. Found this posted on a site today, although it is dated February 2014. Here we are 18 months down the line and have not seen any answers.

Vital questions these Labour apologists for child sex MUST now answer Mail published major exposé revealing how three senior Labour Party figures gave their support to alleged paedophile Information Exchange Harriet Harman, Patricia Hewitt and Jack Dromey held key roles in the National Council for Civil Liberties

Blair was the first one to become PM who saw it simply as a career move not as the greatest honour the country could bestow. Brown followed on and Cameron has raised it to an art form all these low lives are interested in is lining their own pockets and selling their fellow countrymen down the line. Telling that it was Blair who got rid of the death penalty for treason.

We only have to ask ourselves where did all the Marxists go following the collapse of the USSR and communism. They are all still there except they work for the UN, the World Health Organisation and the EU - particularly the EU Marxists in designer duds and five star lifestyle. But more Han anywhere they have high jacked all the major and not do major charities and get Govt grants and EU donations to work against us. If you've got the patience read this. http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/ReplMigED/UK.pdf

It's official UN policy on immgration for every country - this is what they have planned for the UK. Claiming there is going on be a great shortfall due to ageing populations n so we need (they claim) massive immigration. It's BS I can recall 20 odd years ears ago they were predicting a golden age of early retirement and lots of leisure - that was BS too it's just prediction and arty farty theories. It's any case if we have shortfalls why not just hire overseas personnel on for fixed contracts and no right to anything else.

I certainly don't fancy spending my twilight in a nursing home staffed by these illiterate hoodies from Calais. Then there's the MSM trying to tell us their all brain surgeons and engineers. Then why did n't they apply through the legal channels? They don't because it's BS and now w we have effing right on Richard Curtis and Emma Freud going to work out n propaganda for the UN in NYC called Global Goals a mix of rock gigs and Comic Relief.

Then there is the Agenda 21 check your local council and see if they have signed up and also send an FOI to see how many have been indoctrinated in the insidious Common Purpose responsible for the PC and corruption of language and free speech that permeates everything.Read this from Order Order and look at Dan Hannan's video on EU sock puppets

Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan should be added to the mix. Read it and be scared - very scared - because this is now the future of Europe and it's happening now. If I were 30 years younger, I would be applying to Australia/New Zealand for residency. The Europe we know is disappearing before our eyes and its destruction is deliberate. Cameron et al are all part of the game-plan. It's sad and frightening.

The immigration was confirmed by an Andrew Neather a former Labour speechwriter who said it was done to 'rub the right's nose in diversity' this is from the Telegraph. What beggars the question is why the Con Libs did so little about it, unless it was the LibDem influence in coalition.

I also recall Mandelson saying they sent officials around Europe actively looking for immigrants and someone commented last week that there is a Govt website telling migrants what when and how to go about claiming everything and their rights.

The Refugee Council is run by an Anna Musgrove who may be related to Arabella Musgrove mate of Wasty. However, much of their so called charity income comes from Govt and councils and EU. Ms Musgrove has never held a meaningful job in her life just gone from one bleeding heart non job to another.

Comments sections everywhere inundated with comments like the one below

'I really ought not to read the papers because I get incandescent with rage at the injustice of the situation. The hoops I had to jump through to get my benefits when I was unemployed (having worked and paid into the system for 40 years!) and these feral, uneducated and violent men can come into the UK, claim asylum and everything is handed to them on a plate. London is becoming a horrid city with an unpleasant tension just underneath its seemingly sophisticated veneer. I *despise* it when Cameron speaks about London being a wonderful city; as you all know, I'm a fifth generation Londoner and I am increasingly alarmed (and sometimes frightened) by the way in which the city is changing. It is not for the better; multiculturalism might have given London a vast array of cuisines, but take away those restaurants, cafes, etc, and you are left with tribalism, feuds which have been transported to London and gang warfare. And with the ever-increasing influx of immigrants and illegals into London, the situation is going to get worse. The Met is so PC these days that they dare not interfere with any crime committed by these people for fear of being called racist.

And let's not forget that many of Blair's English-hating bureaucrats are still occupying senior positions in the Civil Service, the Judiciary, and associated aid and refugee charities. These people will ensure that the illegals will remain in the UK and get as many benefits as possible as the expense of the genuine, hard-working British taxpayer.

Good grief, so much spilling out now, can see no chance of them containing it. Does make me wonder just what the game plan is for the UK, do these people want us to sink into oblivion, because I sure get the impression they do. Just why is cameroon allowing all this to happen, is he in on it too, it does beg the question doesn´t it. Good finds Val, and thanks for posting, had no idea thing were getting this bad.-

About time the tories were voted out, I am just so grateful that I did not vote for them this time, first time ever, and I never will vote for them again - they are not to be trusted, especially with cameroon and his scheming, plotting ways. No wonder the want the media gagged, if it weren´t we would get to know even more. Thank God for the people who expose all these things, and long over due as well.

Police watchdog investigates response to child sex abuse allegations made against Edward HeathThe Independent Police Complaints Commission is looking into how the police handled allegations made in the Nineties about the former Prime Minister.

Perhaps some of us in the UK need to get down to Cornwall and tell call-me-dave to cut sort his holiday and get back to dealing with the crisis.

I remember years ago when all the public sector workers went on strike one winter - couldn't even bury the dead - the then PM, James Callaghan, came back from some jolly in a nice arm country while the rest of us were shivering from cold due to power cuts, picking our way through the rats and rubbish every time we walked down the street. He was asked at Heathrow how he was going to deal with the crisis and he said "Crisis, what crisis?" That one comment was late said to have cost him the forthcoming election. Well dave and bis merry band of fools may think they/he are safe as we have only just had an election but he doesn't have a very big majority so he should be careful. He has said he will step down before he next election anyway so maybe he will be encouraged to go sooner rather than later - the Tories can be a ruthless bunch - remember when they ditched Thatcher?

It is being said everywhere that the Election was rigged and allegedly many UKIP votes went astray. Doesn't surprise me one bit. CMD is playing action man in his rubber suit in Cornwall and the Country falls apart.

Meanwhile, there is no word from our useless Prime Minister, who is on the first of 3 summer breaks, or the hapless Home Secretary, Theresa May - both remaining on holiday at this time of crisis, leaving the hapless Philip Hammond to reassure us all is under control - this despite Channel Tunnel bosses warning that 5,000 migrants are roaming the French town ‘at will’ and will only be going in one direction - to the UK. The saying "Rome burned while Nero fiddled " springs to mind here.

There have been rumours circulating about Ted Heath for many years and yet typically nothing done by the back scratching Establishment. Ted Heath was said to 'entertain' young boys on his Yacht Morning Cloud. Horrendously it was alleged that some of these 'anonymous' children from children's homes were even thrown over board when finished with. The decent people of the UK are urging those affected to come forward as they will be listened to now by groups who are determined to seek justice.

Sorry Marion, MSM is main stream media. Pre Indy ref I trusted what the BBC etc said but they bias, omissions and lies were quite shocking and disquieting. I will give you one example, Nick Robinson political correspondent for the BBC accused Alex salmond of not answering questions. This story ran and ran on the BBC etc. the truth? Alex salmond had spent a good 15 mins answering his questions - this was all filmed by people there. The same with the French ambassador allegedly saying that sturgeon said she wanted a Tory win - people believed it, it was reported as factual until eventually a Tory politician in the Scottish office owned up. So I guess once you see that, you should always question what they are telling you.

It is also quite apparent that the BBC is pushing a multicultural agenda, for example recent Nigel slater series about food and immigration and how it is all so much better. Also drip drip of well we are all immigrants

Oh no, it has been known for a good while that Ted Heath sexually abused children. It was always hushed up - you scratch my and I will scratch yours. A lot of government paedophilia coming out now, and maybe they thought it was time to resurrect this one. Ted Heat no innocent to these activities, no way.

^I don't even want to speculate about the senior mp who is under investigation at the moment - don't want to bring the forum into disrepute and risk a lawsuit. Remember when sally Brecow was sued. But yes here's hoping it will all come out but tbh I don't think we will ever get the true story. The government love their d notices.

D notices worked when there was no Internet or social media, lets hope that no matter how many they slap on reports things will be revealed. There are allegedly many many paedos in high places so lets hope that the determined groups working to expose and punish them will do so soon whether they be Royalty. MP's, celebrities or the person in the street.

@ Marion - agree, many still alive, but easier to go after the dead ones, people are less scared to crawl out of the woodwork. Wish they would expose them all, dead and alive - vile, disgusting creatures. Allegedly the little boys taken to Heath´s boat never came back, they were thrown overboard. Lovely people, and to think they are supposed to lead our country - no wonder it is falling apart.

Interesting I found, so much out there, so much crawling out of the wood work. Is Heath a scapegoat to focus attention away from the ones still living we ask ourselves.

It has become increasingly and unavoidably evident in the last several years that if the full truth about Satanic/ritual child abuse among the British Establishment (and beyond) ever comes out, we could witness the complete collapse of the Establishment.

MSPs are to consider calls for a public inquiry into the Dunblane shootings. Three separate petitions relating to the massacre are to be discussed at the Scottish Parliament. It comes just over a week after the 10th anniversary of the incident on 13 March, 1996, which saw 16 children and a teacher shot dead. Two of the petitions are calling for a new public inquiry into the shootings. One asks whether an original inquiry failed to consider crucial evidence.

Yes, I too weep for those poor innocent souls used and abused by the elite who think they are invincible and will never be found out. The horror, abuse and emotion damage they go through, just for "fun" for these vile, rotten people. I have read that apparently jimmy so-vile provided boys for ted heath to "entertain" him on his boat, and because he knew the boys would recognise him, when "entertainment" over the boys were thrown over board. How true that is I do not know, but it is out there in the media, true or not.

Apparently Janner didn't turn up for pre-trial hearing and defense Docs are saying he is too ill - he is going to play this right to the end - I have a horrible feeling he will get away with out having a trial after all but I guess we can still hopehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187708/First-court-hearing-historic-child-sex-abuse-claims-against-Lord-Janner-place-today.html

On another matter - it would appear the troubles behind this charity were known about before the election but kept under wrapshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3190204/Downing-Street-warned-Kids-Company-year-refused-withdraw-funding-election-s-claimed-one-youngster-stole-10-000-charity-s-head-office.html

The whole government needs thrown out. Maybe there is a proviso - in not corrupt, greedy, grasping with a penchant for youngsters we don´t want you. Does make you wonder. The whole sorry lot make me want to vomit, and to think they are running our country, no wonder it is in such a mess. Too busy out doing "other things" most of the time. And claiming 300 GBP per day. No wonder we are falling to the wall. bignono

^ The trouble is the Labour Party aren't much better - Harriet Harman, her husband Jack Dromey and and Patirica Hewitt, all have links to PIE (alleged paedophile Informatio Excahnge). This was front page news a while back then it was all quietly forgotten about. Paedophillia seems to be endemic in our society.

Scroll down to the pics of some letters - HH's name is at the bottom of a briefing that argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered

And this just shows how quickly willy could become King - both ER and PC being targeted - then we would be stuck with waity and fakies for good - at least now we can hope and pray that there is a plan in place to deal with the prospect of a lazy useless King and is crotch-flashing Queen Consort - oh yes, and don't forget ma, the power behind the throne

Having sold RBS shares for £1bn less than they were bought for, George Osborne the economic genius strikes againPerhaps his next venture will include buying Kit-Kats for 45p and selling them straight back to the man in the shop for 30p

The ones who are still alive and thought that they were immune from prosecution are allegedly shaking in their boots and waiting for that 'knock on the door'. There are so many groups out there utterly determined to seek justice for those vile perverts who have ruined so many lives.

His legal team says that the 87-year-old is suffering from dementia, and forcing him to attend court in person is unlawful and violates his human rights.

They wanted tomorrow's hearing halted to give him time to seek judicial review of the decision that he must attend.

But they have lost that legal bid, meaning Janner will have to appear before the court in central London unless an appeal can be mounted in the meantime.

Lady Justice Rafferty, sitting with Mr Justice Irwin, said the court had 'unhesitatingly concluded' that the balance between the human rights of Lord Janner and 'the public interest in public justice' came down in favour of Janner's attendance in court for the brief period required by the law.

Janner's lawyer Paul Ozin had argued it was 'barbaric, inhumane and uncivilised' to expose the peer to a court appearance.

Might one ask about the violation to the children he abused, and what about their human rights, and the barbaric treatment they were given by him. Did the old fool think of that? No, he did not, so why should anyone give him that treatment.

Also the little matter of the dementia. Wasn´t too demented to drive his car recently, or attend the House of Lords, and a few other things that escape me right now. That dementia card has been conveniently pulled.

Sadly they will probably drop it all because the old fool is 87, which is a violation to those kids he abused. There should be no limit on him being charged, disgusting, vile, creature. Dementia, yes, I see those pigs flying past, blue ones this time. Grrrrrrrrrr.

His lawyers were again trying this morning for him to be allowed to give evidence by video link - the judge was having none of that and said if Janner doesn't turn up she will issue an arrest warrant. Apparently he has already failed to turn up twice this week.

This judge sounds like one tough cookie unlike other establishment figures that jus want to protect each other - when Janner's lawyer was harping on about Janner's dementia and the distress caused to him by a court appearance, the Judge said that due to his dementia meant he was unlikely to suffer lasting distress from having to face a court !!! "It will be short-lived and, as a consequence of his condition, rapidly forgotten." Nice one Your Honour

Is there no end to our vile government in the UK. What about the poor families of the victims involved. How do they sleep at night - simple I suppose, hard as nails, cold hearted and all for thine self.

^Talking of Blair - I see some of the families of soldiers who died in Iraq and threatening to sue Chilcott who is using the the process called "Maxwellisation ", to delay the publication of the report even further. It's a pity pur useless excuse of a Prime Minister doesn't do something - he expresses ihs anger but leaves the action to the bereaved relatives - typical of call me dave - useless is too mild a word to describe him but probably the best one here - my true thoughts on him wold surely get me banned

Maxellisation is a a process named after the late newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell under which those criticized by a public inquiry are given a chance to respondhttp://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEMQFjAFahUKEwiMteaE4ajHAhUISRoKHdMIDFY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collinsdictionary.com%2Fsubmission%2F16389%2FMaxwellisation&ei=rvfNVYymO4iSadORsLAF&usg=AFQjCNFe8EoERpyuGW0jaTpTZGPxI4Pd-Q&bvm=bv.99804247,d.d2s

^^ so would I! If I got near enough to him I would love to hit him over the head with a boot! I marched in protest over the Iraq war. Blair ought to have been up for trial at The Hague for war crimes not left to write memoirs and publicise them, IMO.

^^ so would I! If I got near enough to him I would love to hit him over the head with a boot! I marched in protest over the Iraq war. Blair ought to have been up for trial at The Hague for war crimes not left to write memoirs and publicise them, IMO.

^ I don´t. Literally three months ago he was driving his own car, in London, parking it at House of Lords, claiming his 200 GBP per day expenses for attending. Never met a person with dementia who could drive around central London. He is sacrificial lamb maybe because he is old, rather than sacrificing someone say in their fifties. Irrespectrive he still sexually abused young children, and I don´t care if he is away with the fairies, he character deserved to be blackened/tainted for what he did to those little one. Dementia or not, he behaved in a disgusting and vile manner, ruining the lives of young children. Let him be buried as a convicted alleged alleged paedophile, because he is one, end of. Sorry to disagree, but I feel so strongly about these vile people who keep getting away with sexually abusing little children.

On another politcal news front, no wonder call me dave cameroon doesn´t mind who he lets into the UK and how many people will suffer because of it.

^^ITA GB- he was also signing cheques and if has dementia they will be invalid. Anyone with dementia has a statuary obligation to tell the DVLA of their condition and if the condition is advanced they are ot allowed to derive - either he has dementia or he doesn't and if he does I wonder why he is still driving and if the DVLA have been notified - either way he should be prosecuted for the *nasty* or driving issue - he can't have it both ways

DAVID Cameron has vowed to "stamp out" a surge in horrific anti-Semitic attacks across Britain.

Earlier this year campaigners reported more than 1,100 attacks on Jews in Britain, the highest figure to date.

This is one of the comments

Try bashing the people who are committing the anti-semitic crimes - muslims ! Muslims can't live in any country with any other religion, hence they murder christians, jews and any other religious faction. Then Cameron brings in millions here and expects them to live alongside christians and jews !

The BBC has apologised after tweeting a photo of a Tory MP in the House of Commons suggesting that he was asleep, when he's actually partially deaf.

Tory MP for Elmet and Rothwell Alec Shelbrooke told Media Guido: “I am genuinely slightly deaf and struggle to hear. I had taken part in the debate and was trying to hear the wind ups. Seems a shame I get trolled due to being slightly deaf.”

Sorry he looks fast asleep to me, as most of the commenters think also. Never seen anyone reclining, arms cross and eyes closed to listen to a wind up when he is partially deaf, most would be trying to lip read at least a little bit.

SHARE TO EXPOSEDavid Cameron's new environment adviser used to work for oil companies like BP and Shell. Hands up anyone who thinks he might have a conflict of interest?As Greenpeace UK so eloquently put it: “Hiring an oil man as an energy and environment adviser... is like asking Count Dracula for advice...on veganism."

Interesting, cameron worried about going down in history for losing the UK, he need not have worried one bit, he will go down forever in history as the Prime Minister of PigGate. Social media vicious about it, so many PigGate vids, photos, gifs, comments out there, viral the world over. Bet old "call me dave" is not laughing :laugh: :laugh:

A confidant is quoted as saying: “­Funnily enough, I think it was less ‘we’re going to have to move out’ [of Downing Street] than the fact that, for the rest of his life, he’d be the Prime Minister who lost the United Kingdom. He was saying: ‘I’ll be remembered for this till the day I die.’”

So much for impartiality on our taxpayer-funded broadcasting corporation - no wonder their reporting of the migrant crisis and our referendum on EU membership are so biased http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11953172/EU-referendum-bias-row-after-EU-pays-BBC-charity-9m.html

In response to the massacre in France our useless PM is chairing a meeting of Cobra - that will do a lot to protect us - our politicians are just a load of hot air - or to put it another way all mouth and no trousers.

Meanwhile the four terrorists arrested in the nth east re the plot to kill British diplomats were all Iraquis given official asylum

So much for the lies that we have been fed for years that ER is only a figurehead with no power. We do not live in a democracy whatever we have been told.http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEMQFjAFahUKEwjLkfTbgp3JAhXBXRQKHdztDWU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-21024828&usg=AFQjCNHAI1XHcZPFihLi-nYFfKrDVcaN4w

I don't see what its about?She has to sign em off and she only refused when advisers told her to, probably because it was shoddy work they tried to rush trough parliament.It's not as if she demanded to see them before they were done to search for angles that might hurt her or her family financially or 'powerwise'I dont get the outrage :dontknow:

It's more than that.. she and Prince Charles are being consulted on matters in which they have a vested interest. We elect MP's to make our laws and the unelected monarch has no right being involved in the drawing up of Bills. The article in the link explains why this is causing so much concern and yet most people don't even realise ...they think the monarch is just a figurehead which is far from the truth... the RF is overstepping the mark in becoming involved in the parliamentary process and if this is above board so to speak why was there a need for a 15month legal battle involving the courts for this information to be made public..why the need for secrecy if there is nothing to hide?

What I know about UK politics you could put on the head of a pin but I, and many like me, have often wondered why, if England is a democracy, why is the Queen's face on the money?

^^ It's not just Britain that has the monarch's head on the coinage, other countries do it too. It's because the monarch is Head of State in a constitutional monarchy, and they are HOS for their lifetimes (or until they abdicate). If that was followed in a republic you would probably have to replace the coinage every four years or so after elections.

We don't change our money every four years. That's silly, but why not Churchill, Walpole, Disraeli and throw in a few monarchs like Victoria if you must, but keep it within the actual government, not the monarchy. The monarchy doesn't dictate the treasury or does it?

MPs snub 190,000-strong petition calling for no confidence vote in David Cameronhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-snub-190000-strong-petition-calling-for-no-confidence-vote-in-david-cameron-a6740441.html

UK parliament to discuss vote of no confidence in Cameronhttp://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/13/437468/MPs-to-debate-Cameron-vote-of-no-confidence

The US doesn't change the heads on its coins, banknotes, after elections (you have past presidents though) but some republics do.The Head of State is on the coinage in constitutional democracies because they represent the nation and its history. Historical figures are on some British banknotes and the Queen is on others. The Mint is the Royal Mint but the Queen doesn't have any influence over its operations.

As to why we didn't join, this might cast some light on the matter. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwii8r3d7aHJAhXLvxQKHdGqBRwQFgg2MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economicshelp.org%2Fblog%2F215%2Funcategorized%2Fwhy-uk-stayed-out-of-euro%2F&usg=AFQjCNEYfjJgptllAFJsGUWhA5BqgmtOJg

In looking for that I also found one that says we will all have to adopt the Euro by 2020 so the sooner we are out of Europe the better IMHO

^No worries. I don't know enough to comment properly on the UK's reasoning for joining/not joining the EU but, and nobody's going to like this very much, as a consumer I've found it very difficult, and expensive, when going to Europe and renting a place. What happens, let's say I use airbnb or tripadvisor, the owners have turned out to be British who own properties in France and want to use the GBP which, compared to the rate of exchange of the Euro, is prohibitively expensive so I say no.

What one person did for me was to use a friend's bank instead that was in France so I was able to transfer funds there and use the Euro but she was pi$$ed! Made my life rather difficult during my two month stay. I don't care. It's business but I did get tired of hearing about how Americans only care about money when I was just trying to save some and it was she who was not understanding that all the while taking mine.

It's just one point of view. I will also only buy something on ebay if the euro is used, not the GBP. It hurts commerce. Not sure how much but if anyone cares about spending abilities from the US, I'm not alone.

I do vaguely remember you having issue's with the landlady in villefranche. :tehe:The one time I saw her she was a bit well....stuck up (I nearly saw the hair inside her nose, that's how high she had it) and the fake smile and preppy 'daaahling' voice, brr! :-X :spy:

From a Brit pov it would make sense for them to use £ since it's stronger course, but if there are options it's bad business not to offer them!

1£= 1.50$ 1€= 1.09$

If monthly rent is 500£ it's 750$If rent is 500€ is only 544$

That's a huge difference for a US customer! Any decent entrepreneur would offer business in both currencies!

Many thanks for posting that Gingerboy, of course we all know privatisation is coming but it's nice when they get caught out like this.

Staffordshire General was the hospital which several scandals a few years ago about patient care, or should I say lack of. I remember issues over patients who couldn't feed themselves going hungry and not being given drinks so they drank water from flower vases.

^^Yep. All true. It wasn't until I realized that I had written backup that she'd use euros instead of pounds that I hit the roof when she didn't follow through and she didn't like being called out on it, either. It's like she didn't care. There are other people with which to do business in that area that get it but the British lady! She was so lofty. Remember when she said that I couldn't use the couch and then back-pedaled later apologizing that I misunderstood? I did not misunderstand; it was in my contract and she hated that, too, so bad business all the way around.

It was only later that I found out that she was playing with french laws on airbnb. The french don't want all the money going to the UK and have strict laws about that so she was really playing a game. I've read a lot of reviews of the British citizens trying to do this and to avoid them but, then again, France has some really goofy laws when it comes to this. Gotta be on your toes.

Whatever one's views on Donald Trump he got it right about parts of London being no-go areas, even for police. Many on both sides of the pond are rubbishing it but we Brits know the truth; however most politicians will admit it for fear of offending Muslims

This (Trump's plan) is nothing new and considering that our latest terrorist (female) came in on a visa that was not properly researched and inaccurate, I don't find it that freak-out worthy. To immediately stop entry for a period of time based on certain criteria, to ask for a longer waiting period, to increase our intelligence programs for vetting and to stabilize entry from Muslim countries seems perfectly reasonable. Many don't like it but many are saying it and he just had the nerve to tip over the apple cart. If anybody doesn't think this will boost his popularity they are mistaken. Do I think he's a bit kookoo? Yep. But, I also think people are pretty stupid who now insist Halloween, Christmas, Hannukah, and Easter should not be allowed to be represented by anybody in this country in any public school by any student is outrageous in a country that espouses freedom.

You don't like it? Don't go to the party!

This, from Jimmy Carter's Administration:

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Under Carter’s new visa program, no Iranian was allowed to enter the United States except in the cases of major medical emergencies or political asylum. Because of Carter’s order, U.S. airlines in London began refusing to allow Iranians to board planes bound for the United States. The new visa program was partly a response to alleged fear of Iranian terrorists entering the United States.

What do we have to do, wait for a bigger, harsher, more body count event to happen here before we get serious about this? I don't think so. My heart has bled enough. Keep in mind that I have first-hand experience with the Muslim community and that there was not only no effort to assimilate, but after they purchased the apt building I was living in, I had to: 1. Stop playing music in my apartment, 2. The pool closed because of female "indecency", 3. No Christmas or Jewish displays during their holidays were to be allowed posted (not even on the community bulletin board) and the worst? 4. They had the right, at any time of day or night, without warning, to enter my apartment and if they found anything that was against THEIR beliefs, it was automatic revoking of my contract and I would have 24 hours to get out. That one, mind you, breaks every renter's law in the State of California but because they weren't United States citizens it meant nothing.

The only way I could break my contract was the one loophole that promised swimming lanes which were no longer available to me. And they had to honor it and give me my security deposit. While we were moving (and keep in mind also that we were battling my husband's cancer at the time - they would throw our belongings out the window over the patio while we were working with the moving van) I headed to the beach where people have a much broader sense of reason but that's disappearing now as well. Enough!

(Akasha? Remember that YMCA pool we went to? That is bought and paid for and located in a strict Jewish community. It's the only way they can disallow any members on the board from the Muslim community who have wanted to shut it down for years because, again, of "indecency". There is an invisible string that encloses that Jewish community and without it and the public pool in La Jolla (also donated by the Jewish Health activists) we'd have no stronghold against this bullsh3t. The flip side of that is that no one who is not of the Jewish faith can live there. Welcome to America.)

If the UK PM and group don't realize that there is a real threat here until something happens and continue down the path of ignoring their own people first and their own provenance, at least until we can hope to see some gaining against the Islamic State, there will be trouble ahead.

Yeah I certainly remember the pool in LaJolla (still get their newsletter mails after 3 years!) :tehe:I had no idea you had these experiences with Muslim community :sorry:

In my area most Muslims are middle class ppl, like me, they don't own condo block's (they're lucky if they can rent one for a decent price!)maybe that's why my experience with them is different :dontknow:It seems that the more money they have the stricter the religion devotion becomes. then again most of the Belgian terrorkid's are from the slums of Brussels and Antwerp the hood's are like the Bronx from the 80ies, lot's of violence drug's and criminals.

It look as if the terror brain's are from well-off families but the poor kid's get the bombbelts.

The ones I know and work with are those in between and just want a decent quiet life and raise their kid's well, ya know, sure they follow ramadam and visit a mosque but they are not in-your-face pious.

A petition calling for Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump to be barred from entering the UK has gathered more than 329,000 names, so MPs will have to consider debating it. The petition went on Parliament's e-petition website on Tuesday.

^As if Trump cares. This just brings him more media ink. I don't side with everything any of the current runners for Prez say but this one is nothing new. We have done this before and it's indicative of a whole change in culture where you can't say anything unpopular for fear of offending somebody.

^^That's funny about the pool. I get notices on FB every day which is good because it gets me on the yoga mat. The one thing that rings the loudest bell for me is that these two recent terrorists had planned an attack in 2012 but didn't do it. Why? Because there was a crackdown by the police and entry between states (that's a whole other issue) was getting harder. That says everything to me.

That is just one incident that I, and many others, have experienced. I've got about 10 really nasty stories about non-US Muslims in S. California who have come in and made it their goal to re-invent America. Then, what happens is they make a sh#t ton of money off of these properties or a business, without paying taxes mind you, and when they've had their fill, they send all the money and families back to wherever they came from and start all over again with the funding. Maddening and our laws have got to change but the biggest issue is the reluctance to become a true American, accepting of all laws and beliefs. This is not so much about religion as it is an attitude and our well-being.

But, the bigger issue, to me, is I don't hear anything from those who want to come here about caring more about our security than their right to come here. If they wanted to be a US citizen, they would make that their priority and say that they'll wait until we get this figured out. If and when I hear that, I might change my tune but for now it's a matter of national security, not whether they have the right to bring themselves to this country. There's no law that says everybody has a right to come here - there IS one that says you can try. Many are turned away. And there are reasons for that.

If the UK doesn't understand that this can happen on their soil and isn't willing to protect their own citizens first, then any blood is on their hands. Any loss of business is on their hands. Any lack of holding fast to their culture that is far far older than ours, is on their leaders. You can be as nice as you want but sometimes you have to think of your own people first whether it's cool or not right now.

^They do and did. They are protected because they are not US citizens, essentially. Not only that but if I had been unpleasant to them they could bring racial discrimination lawyers down on MY a$$.

I'm just waiting for a Muslim to cry unfair treatment right now against hiring or treatment in a public place and the civil rights attorneys will swoop down immediately. And, as it stands now without laws in place that they are a threat to national security, they'd win. It's essentially Trump's whole point and as much as I dislike the rhetoric he's right. There is very little any citizen can do.

The FBI has given some leeway in now, finally, going over Obama's head, that we can call if we see fishy behavior but without naming the Islamic State or Muslim country immigrants as potential threats, they have all protection. We do not.

This guy had legally purchased the apt complex. He had distributed the new directives and it was on we tenants to comply. Period. People should really pay attention to this fact.

^Oh if I wanted to spend tons of money and time and years in court I could win and stay in my apt but the owner would make my life miserable. It depends upon their visa status which can take all forms but if they have applied they are protected and do not, during that time, have to abide by laws that we as US citizens do nor pay the taxes we do. It's the Land of Opportunity for the "oppressed".

There is no law preventing anyone from buying property in the US. All I would have had on my side was my original lease but it was held by a prior owner and very tenable based on sale terms. I was screwed, iow, as were about 400 other tenants.

It stinks but that's how it's played out. There is a lot of money in the ME as we know, and this is how it's used with amazing effectiveness in highly populated areas like S Cal where property is highly valued. It also provides an opportunity to spread their ideology. Anybody who hasn't lived it finds it appalling but very little is done because of the major support for the poor folks leaving war zones.

The US and I would think the UK would be slammed politically if we behaved unwelcoming to those who want a new life. But what about those who have been here for generations? These days nobody feels the same way about.

So this guy gets away with paedophilia because he is allegedly suffering dementia, although earlier this year he was at House of Commons, driving he car and claiming expenses, and was doing the same last year. A big hmmmmm from me.

Bet next time we see a photo of him in the paper he has made the most miraculous recovery and is back to normal. Wonder if he signed the house over to daughter as a "hush gift". The daughter must know various things went on, she can´t be that stupid.

Good riddance http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3367112/Lord-Janner-dies-aged-87.Unfortunately the trial of the facts that was to take place in the New Year will not now take place so the victims are denied the opportunity to have their evidence heard

^^There are those who question whether Brittan really is dead. He was close to full exposure and it was very strange how he suddenly died of cancer when nobody ever said he was ill - maybe wanting privacy but he was seen out and about and he looked OK for a man of his age - certainly not one terminally ill.

Janner (and Brittan) being Jewish could have been whisked off to Israel just like Shirley Porter (former leader of Westminser Council) who scuttled off there very quickly when the homes for votes scandal in Westminster was revealed.

Who knows, maybe they are really both dead but the trouble is TPTB lie so often and with the internet these lies are now being exposed so they will have to forgive those of us who are sceptical and question what we are told .

It seems the UK does have an extradition treaty with Israel so why isn't SP being brought back to face justice - oh silly me - she's ne of the elite to whom the law doesn't apply

This guy did say last year that he was working on exposing what is going on, and good for him, about time these people were stopped, the innocent lives they ruin without a though other than their own satisfaction. Vile people.

What a wonderful govrnment we have for messing things up - the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. What I would like to know is how the governement expect the country to survive with this amount of people paying no tax - where is all the money coming from to support them, the rf and etc.

The number of suspicious deaths is horrifying, no wonder they are trying to cover things up. So much information is now available via the Internet and there are many determined groups working on exposing the vile perverts. As you say GB, half the Government running for cover, not forgetting the many celebrities who are also involved etc etc.

I've been saying for some time now we don't have true democracy in Britain. What with fraudulent postal votes, ballot boxes going musing fôrc4hours and seals have been tampered with when they turn up, Brussels unelected burocrats overruling laws passed by our parliament ...now Osborne's letter bignono

At the rate things are going the whole of Europe will be under sharia law, no woman safe to go out on her own. Hope all the powers that be are proud of what they achieved, although I believe the whole lot of them should be shot at dawn for letting all those illegal immigrants in on the back of being "refugees" - true refugees are one thing, most of the shower thy have let in are here to make trouble and take over.

It's been going on supposedly under the radar for years in places with large Muslim populations. To the point that things are covered up to prevent Police involvement. But, like the child abuse scandal that was widespread and widely known about, you are not allowed to mention it as that's 'racist'. We can thank Blair and his government for that.

A friend sent this to me, it is from March of last year, nothing has changed since then it would appear. It is a Spivey article and comes with the usual warning of COLOURFUL LANGUAGE. It is rather long and took me several sessions to get through it, but found it very enlightening as to what goes on with the polticians and how many things are inter-connected throughout the years. So many involved, and cover-up still happening after all these years.

Again, a warning re the lanugage, and the content can be quite near the bone at times.

* A lot of it out there. I follow The Coleman Experience, and this Nigel Lawson article plopped into my email today. He must feel very strongly about this as there are quite a few swear words - most unusual on his articles I have to say, quite surprised me.

I think too much is coming out about paedophilia and the UK MPs, etc. If they are hoping to brush it under the carpet, white wash it, or whatever, then they are not succeeding well at all. As the title says, for once kudso to the Met and Bernard Hogan-Howe.

^Being from the US and watching elections closely, this is accurate. There were more votes, for instance, during the JFK/Nixon election than actual eligible voters living at the time. It's probably much easier today to rig an election with electronics and the UK is no exception, surely.

The fact that Cameron 'promised' Merkel that the UK would vote to remain in just shouts that it will be rigged as the British public well know. Even the Governor of the Bank of England was scaremongering today as to what would happen if we voted out. His role should not be political but all it does is confirm what we all know ie that UK elections are well and truly rigged.

^No problem. Found this just now as well. What a sneaky lot. I did read after the Scottish referendum that many were complaing that they had never received their voting papers so were unable to vote. No doubt that referendum was rigged as well - a tell tale sign sending hameron hotfotting it up there the week before when things were going well for a Scottish exit vote.

Tories accused of trying to fix next election as millions disappear from electoral registerBY JASON BEATTIE

The Government is pushing through boundary changes based on the register as it cuts the number of MPs from 650 to 600 - with Labour areas the worst affected by far.

Word out that it will be rigged to remain in, every possible method apparently going to be used.It is absolutely disgraceful and the public are furious and are not going to let it rest. Beans already being spilled.

The fact that cameron won't allow the head of the Civil Service to make contingency pans for exit success show that he know what the result will be or he is totally incompetent - take your pick although IMHO both answers would be correct

^No less than we would expect from that forty faced apology for a human being. He needs to be careful, a lot of people have seen right through him now, and his dirty tricks. He will swim whilst he makes darned sure he will sink everyone around him.

The pressure is counting on cameron to go - I bet he has plenty of enemies within the Tory party - this is thier moment to add to the pressurehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3531269/David-Cameron-unpopular-Jeremy-Corbyn-PM-agrees-publish-six-years-tax-returns-Panama-Papers-leak.html

ePolls not to be believed as there is much skulduggery going on these days in elections and Referenda in the UK - I seem to remember the Scottish Referendum polls showed victory for those that want to separate from the rest of the UK and the last General Election predicted victory for the Labour Party - can't think what went wrong there

I thought, stupidly it would seem, that the "Snooper's Charter" was a dead duck but seems the Government are still attempting to get the Investigatry Powers Bill through Parliament. An unprecedented coalition of civil liberties organisations fear that this will make the UK a world leader in surveillance and inspire tyrants like Putin and Mugabe

Cameron made another gaffe today telling QE within camera shot that that Nigeria and Afghanistan were dishonest or words to that effect and I think he was hosting an event for them. Get out of that one Cameroon

Well, no surprise there. Mention it, let it die a death and then push it all through quietly behind closed doors. Too late for that now, hope it goes piggy features some nightmares, bet he did not expect that to be found out, Wonder what else he gets up to that we don´t get to know about.

The real reason for Cameron saying that was a very deliberate attempt to deflect from a story far more damaging to him ...concerns our EU referendum http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/10/germany-sabotaged-camerons-eu-renegotiation/

CNN Top Headline this morning but quickly buried by our Election of the Century. Still, interesting that all news outlets jumping on this one. Give Harry more press, please. Everyone has had incidents with the Chinese being misogynists:

British Prime Minister David Cameron said he would officially resign by Wednesday as Home Minister Theresa May appeared set to take over the reins.

Cameron had earlier announced he would resign by October following the June 23 referendum, in which the country voted to pull out of the European Union.But he said he would officially step down by Wednesday evening after May became the sole candidate left in the race to take over.

The only other remaining contender, Energy Minister Andrea Leadsom, quit the race on Monday.

There are going to be major problems ahead as the Tory members are furious at not getting their vote. Andrea Leadsom has been bullied and smeared to ensure she stepped down. Millions of Tory voters are going to defect to UKIP now, myself included. If only Nigel Farrage hadn't stepped down as UKIP leader his party could get in now.

I'm not surprised NF stepped down though - he had death threats ad bis daughters were threatened with multiple *violent physical attack*. I just hope at some time in the future he will come back.

The Tories are a disgrace - there was a clear majority for Brexit - if the figures had been the other way round but with Remain getting the larger share of voters there wouldn't have been any fuss. So much for democracy. In the UK it is all but dead and buried. Theresa My will fudge the issue in negotiations with the EU and we won't leave IMO. As Val says Major problems ahead.

The public's eyes have been well and truly opened to the dirty tricks constantly at play in politics over the last few months. The May/Cameron camp knew that the Tory members would vote for Andrea Leadsom and sabotaged her chances in the most appalling way. Hope here is some truth n the DM comment below.

KB, England, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago'Mrs May is the lady for the job. She has always wanted us to leave the EU, but Cameron "persuaded" her otherwise. Her job As Home Secretary was hindered by EU red tape and she hated it. So give her a chance; she is passionately patriotic'

^Thanks Val, hadn´t read the DM yet today. Methinks more to come out about her, too much wrong there. Would not surprise me if Branson and some of his cronies are also subsidising her, so many petulant remainers still out there and think they can block Brexit. Tough luck, too many want Brexit it for us to let it lie. Good article in yesterday's DM about Branson and his great support of Remain. Be interesting to see what other dirt they dig up on her GM though, bund to be plenty more. Also, she is from Guyana, why doesn´t she go back there and set their government and country to rights, and leave the UK alone.

And as for Branson - don;t get me going on that one. He's another who has no idea about the lives of ordinary people. Denys he is a tax exile but has escaped paying UK tax for years so is no true friend to the UK. Virgin railways wouldn't make a profit if it wasn't for the subsidies UK and EU and Virgn Media isn't any better.

There's a really good book by a very good investigative journalist called Tom Bower which Branson tried to get stopped a few years ago but still available on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Branson-Behind-Mask-Tom-Bower/dp/0571297099/ref=sr_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1485963018&sr=1-13&keywords=richard+branson

Tom has also written a very good book about T Bliar - apologies I meant to put Blair

Le Pen is ahead in the first stage of the French election, but it is rumoured that the other parties will gang up to stop her getting to the second stage. The Dutch want out; the Germans and the Italians are also fed up with the EU; and the old Soviet Bloc are just ignoring Mutti Merkel, so it looks as if it's all going to implode!

I have posted this on another thread, however though it mig be worth also putting it on here as severeal of the names on the list to the UK and Brexit - some names on it very anti Brexit. With the rumours of Soros behind various fronts he is allegedly using to derail Brexit, and now Gina Miller wanting to be a apart of Brexit and help Theresa May, which I find odd, anti Brexit and yet now wants to be a part of if - has she had her leader tell her to muscle in and be the mole for the people trying to derail Brexit. Not just Soros, many other names on this list, people who are known to be mega anti Brexit. An interesting list. Theresa May would have to be rather stupid if she allowed Ginna Miller through to "help" with Brexit, more like derail Brexit by leaking it all to her leader.

Much out there supporting above and below is a typical comment from another forum:-

'Is GM now a little scared because she didn't deliver the result which Soros wanted? That often called evil, old reptile has allegedly funded her and her husband's company, poured money into getting that Supreme Court Judgement, but still couldn't get Parliament to vote against the people. GM was allegedly bought lock, stock and barrel by Soros and he's said to be very annoyed that his money didn't win. But people saying it serves her right - she supped with The Devil and will probably get a nasty attack of indigestion, hopefully TM to wise to let her in'.

'It occurred to me last night when I read that Gina Miller wants TM to explain the rules of Brexit to her! How ruddy arrogant of this vile woman! She's not an elected representative of Parliament or a Union, but expects to be given this kind of consideration. Why? What's rattled her cage? Anyway, The White Paper on exiting the EU is published today, so GM can read that document for her information. It is being said that GM is scared out of her life; she didn't give the UK's head on a plate to her Hungarian financier and he may want revenge'.

Thanks Val, interesting comments aren´t they. If TM is daft enough to have GM on the Brexit talks etc then she needs booting out. Vile woman was trying to derail Brexit, now she wants to be a part of it. Why? Has Soros ordered her to ingratiate herself and keep him posted of all that is going on, being discusses etc to enable him to derail Brexit behind the scenes. TM is a fool if she lets that female anywhere near Brexit information, it will go straight to Soros before any ink is dry.

According to reports everywhere Blair is stirring things up as he is anti Brexit and also wants to start up a New Labour 2 party. A typical comment below from another blog.---

Bliar has slithered out from under his stone for a reason. He's allegedly moved his millions from his business interests to his not-for-profit work and it's rumoured that he's contacted other Labour MPs who are disenchanted with Corbyn with a view to setting up NL2. If Bliar does manage to create a moderate, alternative Labour Party with David Miliband as another major player, it could cause a few headaches for the Tories. Fortunately, Bliar is loathed by so many people that his new party may not gain any traction with the electorate, but, at the same time, he's cunning and manipulate enough to remain behind the scene and get others to do the work for him. The little sh1t needs to be watched very closely indeed!'

Gina Miller is back in the news, threatening to go back to the courts and seems determined to turn the upcoming GE into a 2nd referendum on UK membership of the EU. I am sickened by this woman's hypocrisy - she pretends to be ding all this out of a sense of moral duty when in fact she is being bankrolled by some very wealthy people, noe of which are UK nationals so do not have a vote on our future with regards to the EU membership or our GE and should stay out of our politics.

One of these is George Soros, a decidedly unpleasant man who likes to meddle in the workings of democratically elected governments. Soros has been openly opposed to Brexit and is tapping into one of New Star’s partners, Gina Miller, to do his bidding would explain how she could exert the influence she has over the entire judiciary and parliament of the UK despite the fact that she is nobody.

Most people in the UK believe we live in a democracy but there are dark forces at work to try and subvert the democratic vote. Its time we woke up and smelled the coffee

^ I read a short while ago that he was the man behind Gina Miller, furiously bank rolling her like crazy to do his dirty work. If he thinks the people of the UK are not aware of what he is doing then he is sadly mistaking.

They are absolutely right to call them out in front of the entire world though. That business re not using English is just utterly small minded and spiteful. They reckon he was so p----d yesterday wherever he was that he was falling over furniture and staggering all over the place.

On a personal note, no longer have we just finished our local elections, they finished on Thursday and the results were broadcast yesterday, Friday, than I had my first canvassers today, Saturday.

At least a dozen activists were round my estate and at my front door asking my political views. And there were about another dozen in the neighbouring street. Along with my MP, as was.

In Scotland, I've been told we've had seven elections in the last three years. It feels like it.

I'm getting kinda tired of it, even though I always vote. Sorry for the rant. :flower:

But responding to your post, I don't think that English will be unimportant in Europe like he said. It's now an International language thanks to the Americans. And French will never be that important to learn. Not as much as Mandarin, English or Spanish. After all, even Italian air pilots flying over Italy on an internal flight must speak English.

^ Yes, the comment that English won't be as important anymore is ridiculous, it is after all the lingua franca of our time. I wouldn't say that French isn't as important as English or Spanish, as French is still the language of diplomacy and very important indeed. English and French are at the head, with German closely following. Spanish, Italian and Russian are also very important on the world scene, in terms of European languages.

I wouldn't give Mandarin that much importance, the reason for learing Mandarin or teaching kids was to me always sketchy and now some reports are out on parents regretting choosing Mandarin for their kids. The argument has always been that there are many Mandarin speakers, more than English, and China as emerging power. China is an emerging power indeed, but the vital differences between Mandarin & English are 1. English is easy to learn, whereas even out of all Asian languages, Mandarin remains the most difficult and you're still illiterate until you know svereal thousand chinese characters, by which time your just about literate; 2. English native speakers are all over the world, spread across 5 continents were English is either the first language (Europe, North America, South Africa, Australia) or taught in some families as first language, before the actual mother tongue (Asia - India), on top of that it is taught on every continent as second language. Mandarin is spoken in China only, possibly some neighbouring countries.If choosing non-European languages, then Japanese and Arabic are better choices than Mandarin.

Lovely pictures of the christening of Jacob Rees Mogg's latest edition to the family. Nanny holding the baby Sixtus and it in full uniform a la Middleton !! No pretentiousness from this family.

The Mogg is one of the UK's up and coming politicians and filled as future leader of the Conservative Party. Lovely family and hus wife is so unaffected, again unlike those dreadful mixes. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/15/jacob-rees-mogg-puts-nanny-front-centre-family-photograph/

Yes, lovely natural happy family without the pretentiousness of the Midds ridiculous Mary Poppins Christning of Char. The nanny has been in the family for 50 years and is much loved. Jacob Rees-mogg is a very popular politician who is respected by all creeds and classes. He has a natural ability to say the right thing without resorting to mud slinging.

While I, in no way, condone sexual assaults I think there is a whiff of dirty tricks here. It's just that it seems strange to me that we're expected to believe that the Tory Government is full of sexual predators but the Labour party are all squeaky clean.

I could be wrong of course but something just seems "off"to me. Is this an attempt to force resignations in order to trigger By-elections which could bring about the collapse of the government.

^ I remembered the same story as I read marion's post. There are Labour stories too. By calling the sex scandal the "Westminster scandal" I think they are saying it's the whole thing, everyone in there, not just one party.

On the other hand, the tories belong kind of to the upper echelons, and a sex scandal of this scale is more a boys-club upper-class-prat Bullingdon-club-tw*t kind of thing, rather than sth I don't know, the greens for example would be caught up in. Not saying this is only happeing with one kind of people and not the other, it just fits more in that kind of environment/ background, hope you get what I mean.. :dontknow:

It's worth remembering that sexual harassment is not a party political issue – it happens in all parties at Westminster with no exception. Labour has so far succeeded in preventing the names of any of its alleged sex pests from coming out. This is the astonishingly dark litany of abuse claims against Labour MPs and officials made over the last few days:

A senior Labour official is accused of telling young Labour activist and former NEC member Bex Bailey not to report a violent physical attack because it could “damage” her career.

John Mann says he is aware of a second Labour violent physical attack allegation that has yet to come out.

A senior Labour MP has been reported to the Leader’s Office for extremely serious abuse of a woman – Labour won’t reveal his nameA second senior Labour MP is being privately accused of sexual assault of a woman – they won’t reveal his name either

A third senior Labour MP is accused of “wandering hands” and being over-friendly at student discos

The New Statesman reports other “allegations of sexual misconduct that the party advised women to drop”Politico reports another Labour MP was accused of “serious sexual harassment” by a staffer but “the party did nothing”. Staff says sexual abuse is “endemic” within the ranks and that the complaints procedure “is not fit for purpose”.

A senior member of Labour’s NEC has been accused of sexually harassing women

Labour MP Chi Onwurah told the Commons she had raised complaints about MPs’ behaviour to young staff in parliament’s bars

As yet no Labour MPs’ names have come out, and many of these allegations are considerably more serious than hands on knees and dodgy text messages. At the moment the media focus is off Labour…

^Yes I saw your comment but found a whole lot more and lumped it all together :flower:

Agree re comment being erased . it was just my way of saying sexual harrassment is not solely confined to Tory upper class lot

Some of the allegations on this infamous spreadsheet are not harrassment as they related to consensual behaviour. Could be extra marital affairs but not a crime. If the go down that road Corbyn and Diane Abbott will be in trouble.

No surprise that despite her many major blunders Corbyn supports and keeps Abbott by his side.They allegedly had an affair at Oxford where Abbott was said to have been admitted but not for her academic abilities.

It is being said on other forums that Osborne is behind all this 'outing' of sexual harassment. An example below.

'It is alleged that Osborne could be behind all this - he's the Editor of The Evening Standard, has many press contacts and is desperate for revenge on May for sacking him, even if it means destroying the Conservative Party in the process and letting in Corbyn as PM. There are also rumours that Mandelson's new recruit, who used to work for the Tories, is helping The Dark Lord to bring about the collapse of the Government'

Secret memo shows how Prince of Darkness advised blood-soaked regimeDaily Mail investigation reveals how Labour peer Lord Mandelson, of Hartlepool, who nowadays is a professional has much to be revealed

http://chrisspivey.org/nat-mandy-the-bean-stalker/

http://www.whale.to/c/peter_mandelson.html

http://www.whale.to/c/peter_mandelson.html

This was on another popular forum and is rather shocking.

'Mandelson's filthy and perverted practices have been kept out of the MSM due to Blair imposing a D Notice on the media. According to a friend, Blair, Brown and Mandelson were a trio,but Blair went with Mandy and Brown never forgave him. There is much dirt on Labour politicians,but, at the moment,they seem to be protected by the MSM. Mandelson is one of the most disgusting and depraved creatures ever to have walked through the Houses of Parliament.'

'The Government is full of traitors to Brexit; Cameron's bag carrier as Defence Secretary; Osborne who is said to be working behind the scenes with Blair and Mandelson. The former has gone quiet all of a sudden, so is Blair who is also allegedly up to no good - as usual. This should be exposed in the MSM'

Found this on another forum, it's hard to keep up there's so much coming out .

Rudd was alleged to be having an affair with Kwasi Kwarteng!!

Somebody is on video with three men urinating on him. Rory Stewart was alleged to have asked his secretary to 'do odd things', Amber Rudd's said to have 'been at it' with a colleague (said to be a woman) and Bob Stewart is alleged to be permanently pissed.

What's interesting about this that it highlights that three of the MPs in trouble -Fallon, DG and Charlie Elphicke all represent Kent constituencies which is at the front line for illegals coming in. No idea if there's a connection and why.

^Regarding the Kent MPs; yes, I do think they are being targeted because their constituencies are at the front-line of illegal immigration and their voters are being overwhelmed in every sense with illegals. The Tories played dirty tricks to ensure that Nigel Farage didn't win Thanet South - and they should have been prosecuted for their behaviour in that constituency. It is alleged that the Kent Police were told 'sit' on evidence about Conservative wrong-doings in that area.

I believe that there are many dark forces at play in the UK at the moment, but their single aim is to stop the UK leaving the EU. It's about time we brought back The Block and Tower Green for traitors to the nation!!

There rumours persist about Heath, Morning Cloud and boys from the Haut de la Garenne home but now this little gem about Bliar has come to light. He was allegedly a cross-dresser at Oxford known as Miranda and was allegedly prosecuted at Bow Street Magistrates' Court for importuning in gents loos. The files about his little indiscretions disappeared when he became MP and Peter Goldsmith become Attorney General. How convenient.

^^It was said in many reports that Heath was being blackmailed over his sexuality. Wilson legalised homosexuality but it wasn't really accepted when Heath came to power. If you add to that his taste for young men well...

There are allegedly many reports of 'threesomes' with Brown, Blair and the allegedly depraved Mandelson.The whole system is corrupt. It's about time the MSM published these.

Thank you for being the most articulate and politely persistent Eursceptic MP and commentator that we have.

I hope the Remoaner menace is mostly contained within the Greater London Chatterati and the Westminster Bubble. But to hear your gentlemanly tones promoting post-Brexit Britain so positively might just persuade some of the more stubborn Remainers that we Leave voters are not half-witted, racist layabouts, senile Little Englanders, or any combination of the above!

It is none of my business to know what your political plans might be for yourself, but let me assure you that you have a growings corps of supporters who would love to see you in a position of greater influence on policy, in the Cabinet, or even at the head of it!

Mrs May has support too, but needs to do more public tub-thumping, to make us truly believe her heart is wholly in the project: Great Britain's complete exit from the EU, and all its sticky tentacles.

Must must must read. From a website called Going Postal beloved by many on Order Order. He starts as a send up but it's clear Brendan was bedding the nanny on the houseboat. She was the one in the boat with him and the kids demonstrating against Nigel and the fishermen.

Guess many in the UK knew about some of these names but worth noting. For those who consider voting Labour it is bit really Labour you will get as long as this lit are running that show.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5406725/Labour-MPs-paid-10-000-meet-spies.html

'Perhaps a History lesson about the Nazi-origins of the EU and that its first President, Walter Halstein, was a member of Hitler's legal team, and that most of the first Council were all ex-Nazis? This information is not hidden, but it is certainly not widely disseminated among voters, most of whom have no idea about the EU's history, the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan, the Frankfurt School. I seriously believe that a campaign of education,by word of mouth, is needed to bring some people to their senses...'

Didn't Trump say that the EU was devised by Germany for the benefit of Germany? The EU is using similar, but non-military tactics, of intimidation, punishment by economic means, subversion of democracy by pro-EU groups and powerful pro-EU media campaigns. Goebbels's propaganda is merely being re-cycled for another generation. How long before we see again the serried ranks of pro-EU supporters in torch-lit processions? I hope Arbeit Macht Frei is consigned forever to history, but...And if History does repeat itself in Europe, will we see The Red Army on the march westwards again?

'I haven't come across the Shy Society before but they have written this letter to TM and requested it is shared on and off line.Vhttps://shysociety.co.uk/2018/03/15/stop-criminalising-british-people-prime-minister/

Many questions being asked everywhere about the convenience of the Salisbury poisonings. An interesting comment in the DM today about May calling a security meeting regarding Putin. Have

Big Piglrim, Southampton, United Kingdom, 1 hour agoStrange how Police Officers from Salisbury nick, have been sworn to silence, because none of them actually know the alleged Sgt. involved. Perhaps he was called in from a neighbouring force...

'May is just prevaricating, dissembling and lying to the British people. The EU has no intention of letting us leave their evil empire and our waving goodbye will be in name only. She's just carrying on with the selling-out which started with Heath.'

May is playing with fire if she takes on our Armed Forces who are completely and utterly p-----d off with the way in which they have been treated by successive Governments. Maimed and badly injured veterans have to fight to get any kind of disability benefits, whilst May has let men who fought for ISIS back into the country. She is allegedly a determined Remainer who hides her ambition, her vanity and her treachery behind her oh-so-Christian exterior. Everyone saying that there is much Remain pillow talk between her and hubby Philip.

Re the armed forces, it's all so obvious now. The running down of the troops, no ships, opening them up to degrading trials on human righst grounds when they used to have crown immunity and the relentless PC nonsense. it was to get them to such a state TPTB would turn around and say we can't afford to keep this up we need to join forces with the EU. And then Vote Leave happened and scuppered it all.

Story in the DT and same one on Breitbart saying Fox news inLondon has been raided by EU Commissioners. Computers and documents taken away. It is quite extraordinary that they can even do this. The RSPCA can't do this and they're 'ours'. Good job we're leaving.

Breitbart also running a story re Soros having given even more money to anti Brexit activity. People commenting he is evil etc. Personally, Many now thinking, well let him waste his money we're going and any underhand stuff by him has now been rumbled.

The CBI gets funds from the EU to promote its aims. Carolyn Fairbairn, the CBI's Director, is alleged to be a model Eurotwat; Cambridge, INSEAD, McKinsey, the BBC...

Apparently, Soros has now pumped £800,000 into the 'Best for Britain campaign'. He's not a British citizen, so, in effect, this is foreign money trying to subvert British democracy. And this unethical funding is being allowed because TPTB are turning a blind eye to it.

Blair, Branson, Obama, Mandelson etc, etc to name but a few are all alleged to be in cahoots with Soros with the common purpose to derail Brexit.

May is so weak and no match IMO for these evil people. Anyway, she is a Remainer and I don't believe her assertions that she will implement the wishes of the British people regarding the Brexit referendum.

As for Fox News offices being raided, I presume the EU bods had a warrant?!!

^^^^ Very true and quite noticeable. Even in very good parts of London, you turn one street and you feel like you're in another world and you have to watch your back... Edgware Rd is one such example, a street in the posh centre of London, leading straight to Hyde Park/ Mayfair/ BP-ish, but a large chunk of it is quite run down and it's like you're in an alternate world... I haven't noticed this in any other major city frankly. In my experience, outside London, when you're in a "good" (upscale-ish, but read "safe") part of a city, it's "good" throughout, not "turn one street and boom!" There have been acid attacks even in Ken Gardens, a place you wouldn't quite expect this to happen.

I love London and lived there for a while, but the state of London is beyond shocking. I could not imagine raising my (nonexistent) children there or living there for good. For bits and bobs, yes, for good? Heck no. Not even a longer period as it is currently.

Besides the rampant crime (stabbing, acid attacks, mugging), there's the terrible air quality throughout London, which shortens life expectancy and has horrid health repercussions. I am frankly amazed that Liz the qmum and Liz and Phil have made it to their 90s/ 100s. I also don't understand why the super rich choose to buy there and live there ??? Most rich prefer the countryside and yet billionaires are snapping up London property like there's no tomorrow, in a city that is so bad (now).

I also don't understand why Madeleine and Chris live there with their kids, and not some place "healthier" with a better quality of life (which is even for the very rich compromised in Ldn due to air quality and crime) that's also a financial centre (for Chris's business), like Frankfurt or Zurich or Geneva... I don't quite get it. I also don't quite understand how London could go so terribly to the gutter, and let's not start on the state of the rest of the country outside London.... :-

^ You've never heard of it? They are happening all the time in London and also outside London, but London seems to be the capital for that.Anyway, it's a tw*t acquiring acid in liquid form and throwing it at someone, either at someone nilly willy, but it's usually preferably on the face. There's also been an incident a few months ago when a minor reality celeb threw acid onto a whole crowd in a Ldn nightclub. It's also a popular way for ex-boyfriends to "punish" their ex-girlfriends for breaking up with them or moving on, they either do it themselves or pay someone to do it for them. Some throw it at people randomly, no motif, just "for the fun of it" and ruin people's lives or even kill them that way.

The most well known case is Katie Piper in England, she's had countless surgeries but is luckily happy now with a new man, kids and a good career.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Piper

The acid attack that happened in Ken Gardens was some idiot throwing it at an unsuspecting victim for the fun of it.

London, definitely not the place to be! :ick: :nervous:

PS Don't even get me started on the state of living there, rent prices and all that!!

PPS ^^ By "outside London" when I said I have never noticed that in other cities, I mean cities in other European countries.

PPPS YM, you've never heard of acid attacks which are a daily occurrence in Ldn, the same goes btw for stabbing "incidents". Someone's always stabbed somewhere. Same as with the acid attacks, either as revenge, or for the fun of it. A victim is either chosen with motif or randomly (esp when it's done "for fun"!).

I don't think that I hear anything on a similar scale concerning other major cities like Paris, Berlin, NY...

PPPPS Shootings too. Randomly or also planned, out of a moving car. The person shot is also either at the wrong place at the wrong time, or has been chosen with a motif.

First aid expert reveals her 'simple steps' to help stabbing and shooting victims amid a wave of knife and gun-related killings in London

Six people were killed from stabbings and shootings in just four days last week London's homicide death toll has now reached 55 since the start of the year Emma Hammett, founder of First Aid for Life, has revealed how to stop bleeding

"Is this in a tourist guide to London now? Remember when it was just places of interest to visit? Now it's 'How to apply a tourniquet if you're stabbed'"

"How the country has slumped. I remember when a murder was headline news..."

"Is this going to be the response to violent crime in Britain? Teach the public first aid for stabbings, shootings and acid attacks?"

"The best way to avoid being stabbed in London is to avoid going to London sadly."

Sad.

And then you have another megalopolis, Tokyo, where it's so safe, people send their primary school kids on their own to school, where they have to travel by train and change trains throughout their journey to school! I think it was in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7YrN8Q2PDU

Two more people are knifed in London outside Tube station just hours after death of 20-year-old took this year’s fatal stabbing toll in the capital to 40 as top surgeon predicts ‘summer of carnage’

A 20-year-old man has been knifed in fatal stabbing in Finsbury Park, London Separate murder investigation has been launched by the Met Police following a 32-year-old dying in hospital following a stabbing Morden, southwest London Two men were stabbed outside Tooting Bec station in south London this evening It comes amid warnings from leading trauma surgeon of a 'summer of carnage'

May was chosen by Cameron, not the Party membership, because he knew she would carry on with the appeasing and the capitulation to Brussels that he'd started. She was an awful choice for PM after her disastrous tenure as Home Secretary. Davis seems to have been worn down by the EU and by the pro-EU Civil Service - the latter needs to be given a damn good kick up the backside and reminded that they are told to do the Government's bidding and not vice-versa. Unfortunately, Bliar gave too much power to the senior Civil Servants and those ruddy SpAds and this is the result.

The Mogg, as usual, speaks so much common-sense - no wonder May doesn't want him in her Cabinet. He should be on the EU negotiating team, but he would show up May with her Remain credentials.

Amber Rudd QUITS as Home Secretary to take 'responsibility' for misleading MPs over targets for kicking out illegal immigrants - as critics say she is 'carrying the can' for Theresa May on Windrushhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5672051/Home-Secretary-Amber-Rudd-resigns-Windrush-scandal.htmlTheresa May should also step down.

There is a talk of a vote of no confidence in her if she keeps dragging her heels over Brexit and watering down our leaving especially over the Customs Union and immigration. She is a Remainer at heart as is her husband Philip.

Have to say that I'm glad I'm my age because I (and many others) had the best of Britain in the 50's. This country has been ruined beyond redemption by both Parties and their adherence to the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan and the EU's social engineering.

So many have had enough of May's so-called Conservative Government; her latest appointment is a political expediency. It's questionable putting a Muslim in charge of The Home Office which oversees M15 and our internal security. Javid will be given all sorts of highly sensitive security information; I just hope that Andrew Parker (Head of the Security Service) holds back on the most sensitive stuff. May has to go and if that means Corbyn Government (and few want that!), then the Tories have only themselves to blame. They have treated the electorate with contempt over Brexit, especially when twice the number of constituencies voted Leave than voted Remain. If Thursday's results are disastrous for the Tories, I would like to think that May would have the integrity to resign - but I don't think she knows the meaning of that word..

May, her husband, Rudd and Javin are Remainers and the democratic vote isn't being executed, just deliberately hindered'.

Many letters being written regarding May's obvious reluctance to do what the British people voted for. So many Tiries switching to UKIP now

A comment in the MSM

'Nigel was discussing the situation with Aaron Banks, but it seems quiet on the front. Perhaps they are working out strategy because for those of us who love our country and who are, at heart, conservative and Conservative, we are unrepresented by the current Tories. For the time in my life, I shall not be voting on Thursday because I am thoroughly disenchanted with my local Conservatives (lazy, indolent Councillors) and there is no UKIP candidate.

We have been let down by May and her bunch of EU lovers. Her "Brexit means Brexit" was nothing more than a slogan to quell the anger in the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party. She is a reneger, a dissembler and is certainly, to quote Alan Clarke, "economic with the actualite" and needs to go. The Tories had a wonderful chance to increase their vote in those northern Constituencies who voted Brexit and who feel, like so many of us, to have been cheated. May has no idea what goes on outside the London bubble, nor does she seems to care, which makes her a very poor leader. She's going to get a very nasty shock before long. The 1922 Committee needs to get its act together and present May with the unpalatable truth - resign or you will be forced out and replaced with Boris or Gove. And I still lay the blame for all this mess at Cameron's door.'

^ ^ I'm getting more and more concerned that the democratic vote is being deliberately thwarted by May and her EU-loving cabal! I also get very angry when some smug git of a Remainer tells me that I didn't know for what I was voting on 23 June 2016. Oh, yes, I ruddy well did - and it wasn't to remain under the (cunningly disguised) jackboot of the EU! :angry:

An excellent letter which has been sent to the top and is circulating fast.

'I have been a Conservative Party member for many years now, and could never envisage placing my loyalty elsewhere, but now, although I remain a Tory at heart, the Party is currently letting US down, by the Remaner so-called "rebels" (in both Houses!) who are trying to frustrate the departure from the EU that a clear majority voted for in the referendum..

These people are disloyal and undemocratic on so many levels: mainly and specifically - their willingness to remain under the heel of the undemocratic and never-audited EU, their disrespect and betrayal of the referendum result, and their determination to go against their published party manifesto which declared we would be leaving the EU, including its customs union, and any other relationship tentacles that keep us attached to this unwelcome behemoth.

Do not the Whips have any sway in these blatant rebellions against the manifesto, plus the clear referendum result? Are we to assume that the "rebels" all hold the patronising view that we Leavers "did not know what we were voting for"; "did not understand what was good for us", and "need saving from ourselves"? Sorry - but how dare they?

We know Mrs May is at heart a Remainer, which makes it difficult for her to be a passionate defender of our right to independence, but she has stated in several speeches that we WILL leave the EU and all its bodies. If she is indeed weakening on a customs union agreement, she has badly let her voters down, and left us wondering what our best alternative is.

As a Liberal government is unthinkable and fortunately impossible, should Mrs May fall in a confidence vote, the thought of a possible Corbyn government is equally unthinkable, but frighteningly possible. Their splits, attitudes and general incompetence make them completely untrustworthy re Brexit - chaos would ensue and we would finally default back to Brussels.

I'm afraid that, having resisted doing so all through the referendum campaign, when a lot of my friends did so, I may have to vote UKIP, and will do so if we are betrayed by the Tories, unless a good Brexiteer can rise to pick up the pieces. There is no other choice for we (and I do mean "we") Brexit-supporting erstwhile Tory voters - there are many of us feeling very angry right now, and UKIP could be forgiven for dusting off its campaign materials.

If the Tories can't get us out, who else, politically, even wants to?

Thank you for reading thus far, if you have; this is a remarkable note for me to write, but I have never felt so strongly about anything, more than regaining my own country's independence. I would suggest anyone who feels differently is not a Conservative.

I am very sorry that things have come to this pass; I am a Conservative - I'm just not sure the current party is, any more. I won't stop my donations yet - we will see how things pan out.'

I have it when it is said that Amber Rudd mislead parliament, she lied to parliament, full stop.

As for May, she's both weak and traitorous as she's selling the UK didn't river and ignoring the Brexiteers wishes.

Gina Miller was spouting off again at the weekend saying the will of the people is "utter nonsense". Strange but I thought democracy ish as all about the will not the people. I wish she would crawl back under a stone and would be very interested to know who is funding her.

As we as having what can best be described as questionable morals it is now proven that he knew if joined the Common Market it would leadvtomloss if sovereignty and was therefore quilty of treasonhttps://www.eutruth.org.uk/fco30.html

There are so many questionable things going on in UK politics right now and often funded by shady characters behind the scenes. The only decent and trustworthy person who genuinely cares for Britain and it’s people is Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Theresa May and her husband are Remainers at heart and she appears to be doing everything to derail Brexit and will soon be having a vote of no confidence as the British people get heartily sick of her obvious MO.

Mogg, Gove, Davis, Patel, Leadsom, Redwood and others need to remove May as she is being bullied by these unelected unCivil Servants. There are precedents for the PM being replaced without having to call a General Election. The Tories will be anihilated at the next GE if they don't deliver Brexit and the UK remains under The Fourth Reich's jackboot.

Today is the 74th anniversary of D-Day...we and our Allies liberated Europe from the EU's alma mater...And we want to genuflect before Germany's latest guise to dominate Europe?? WTF is wrong with Robbins and the rest of them? Didn't they have ancestors who fought for our freedom?

I would almost go so far as to say May is a traitor to our country. She is ready and willing to sell this once great nation down the drain and totally ignores the wishes of the majority who voted to leave the EU.

George Soros - the billionaire financier famed for being the man "who broke the Bank of England" - is piling his fortune into blocking Brexit. His campaign is well-organised, well-funded and has devised a six-month strategy that he thinks can reverse the referendum result of 2016.

Leaked documents reveal the Remoaners will dismiss whatever deal the Government strikes with Brussels as not good enough - and that their shameless campaign will seek to attach itself to "big non-Brexit issues that have emotional resonance" - from potholes to the football World Cup.

Leave Means Leave is leading the fight for the 17.4 million - and we are determined to secure the swift, clean Brexit you all voted for. We are urging all Conservative MPs to support the Prime Minister and vote down the treacherous Lords amendments when they return to the House of Commons next Tuesday.

Theresa May is a treacherous old b***ch and has to go. Whatever the outcome of Brexit she will be a liability for the Conservatives at the next election and the electorate will never forgive her for her handling of Brexit, whether they voted to leave or stay in the EU. She has told us many times she is trying to get the best deal but we are going to to lose any advantages of EU membership but be stuck with the very things that made over half the UK vote to leave. To cap it all her leaking the latest document at the weekend to Remainers days ahead of Brexiteers got it says it all.

I do smile at her condemning Trump for this migrant children business when it has happened under Bush, Clinton and Obama and the pics circulating are from Obama. It was passed by Congress but Trump has now signed an executive order stopping it. This must be why he's dropped out of the UN human rights council as most of these are from Central America and am guessing he will return them.

What makes me smile is she presides over a country where teenage girls are gang raped under establishment cover ups and now we hear an NHS doctor has been bumping off the elderly. Envy of the world and all that?’

‘It was disappoining to read this comment at the start of today's Daily Telegraph "Front Bench":

"With the ERG sticking to their original demands, the Government looks as far away from a Brexit compromise as ever.Jacob Rees-Mogg has reiterated his stark Brexit red lines, leaving a way out of the impasse even less clear".

It is unfair to attack Jacob Rees Mogg for reiterating exactly what 17.4 million of us voted for - it is not a new or unreasonable demand!

We have watched with growing anger the principles we'd voted for being frittered away by a prime minister and her civil service "negotiators" who would rather stay anyway.

It is not good enough to see the Telegraph capitulate to the wet mush that will pass as "Brexit"!

Thank God for the ERG - we voters are powerless to prevent our ultimate betrayal, that is, until the next election, when we can finally express our anger and assuage our helplessness.’

This traitorous PM has to go. Why on earth is she taking her orders from Merkel? The Eurosceptics in the Tory Party have got to bite the bullet and send those letters to the Chairman of the 1922 Committee. May has no intention whatsoever of keeping to her word about Brexit. The Tories are finished if May remains as Leader. She wants Javid as her successor...a lapsed Muslim in charge of the country...I'm starting to think that Corbyn would be a better choice - at least we know that Labour don't like the UK!! As for May threatening Putin again...she's mad, bad and dangerous and cannot be allowed to continue as PM.

In response to the Government’s statement at the conclusion of the Chequers summit, John Longworth, Co-Chair of Leave Means Leave, commented:

“We have now seen Theresa May’s true colours. This is a bad deal for the UK which will only slide further as the EU take more and more. Our weak Prime Minister has driven the process of leaving the EU inscrutably into a corner, in concert with her Chancellor.

“The Prime Minister has totally misled 17.4 million voters and left it as late as possible to reveal that she remains a stubborn Remainer. Worse still, she has personally deceived us by promising in the Conservatives' election manifesto that Brexit means Brexit when, in fact, May's Brexit means BRINO – "Brexit In Name Only” – a fake Brexit.

“Now we are faced with becoming a vassal state of the German/French racket, they have us exactly where they want us – unable to compete, taking enormous quantities of their products at inflated prices, protected from global competition by the fortress Europe tariff and regulatory wall, and impeded from doing trade deals around the globe.

“We will be controlling neither laws, nor trade, nor borders. A total, humiliating capitulation.”——By doing this to the 17.5 million who voted to leave she has guarantee she will never be voted PM again and has ensured that the most staunch Tory voters will switch parties.

Comments everywhere about the Remainer Mays and thousands are saying that they will never vote Tory again.—-‘I read that he is involved with SERCO and that company, in turn, has links to the EU. Philip May allegedly receives nice, little earners from the EU. He's said to be as devious as his manipulating wife.’——

‘And I'm sure he benefits massively from EU membership’

——-‘I have been a Tory supporter and fundraiser for over 50 years. Myself and many local Tories are furious with May and will never vote Tory again. She has well and truly sold us up the river but as everyone knows she and her husband are staunch Remainers.’

I've heard about SERCO connection too. He certainly makes money in a disgusting way and off the backs of people's suffering https://evolvepolitics.com/theresa-mays-husbands-investment-firm-made-a-financial-killing-from-the-bombing-of-syria/

Our PM is a duicitous woman. She is selling out our once great nation to the EU and if the Conservative MPs let her get away with this their party will be kicked out at the next General Election and be out of power for many years. I just wish one of them had the guts to resign and mount a leadership challenge but I fear they are all only interested in hanging onto their important positions

Following on from The Express being sold to pro-EU Trinity Mirror. The MoS is awful now since Greig took over its editorship. Any organisation or any person expressing non-EU views is gradually being hounded out of a job by this cabal. If we remain in the EU and in a few years' time, any dissenting voices will just disappear. It will a new version of Nacht und Nebel...and, this time, aided and abetted by our own Government. Very worrying times...

It's part of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan to destroy European,Christian civilisation and replace us with the MENA hordes. The 11 points of the Frankfurt School reveal just how far its evil cultural Marxism policy is progressing in Europe.

And for our friends across The Pond, please look up these documents. I think you will be horrified at their content and will understand our worries about Europe's future. The EU's origins can be traced back to the Nazi regime; in fact, the first President of the-then European Commission was Walter Hallstein, a member of Hitler's legal team, and most of the founder members were ex-Nazis.

The BND (the German Secret Service) must have some real dirt on TM's father (alleged alleged paedophile) to make her betray her country. This comment was from a DM poster and I'm sure it's true:

Folk will do well to bear in mind that Rev Brasier, sire of the current pm had certain proclivities and predilections that have been kept quiet in return for obedience. The files still exist and are proving useful.

Similar comments were seen last week on Breitbart, London. The current BND are using the same tactics as their Nazi predecessors, the SD, to ensure an individual's 'co-operation' for their ultimate plan.

Some very worrying and tweets everywhere about TM’s treasonous behaviour.

This woman is completely off her trolley and her madness/paranoia is both treason and dereliction of public duty. Surely she can be brought down by failing to keep her Parliamentary Oath? She cannot delegate the running of the country to an unelected Civil Servant who is meant to be instructed/commanded by the elected PM and not vice-versa. Where are the pro-Brexit legal eagles in the Conservative Party who could mount a legal challenge to this harridan?

I'd be willing to sign any letter to May's Constituency Chairman about her abuse of power. May must be mentally unstable and cannot be allowed to continue as PM; Lord knows what this woman is going to sign away before the next Parliament. Where are the patriots in the Tory Party or have they all been bought for 30 Silver Euros...

Regarding ‘Oily’ - if he, as an unelected Civil Servant, is now in charge of the Government's discussions (or obeisance to) with Brussels/Berlin, surely that it constitutionally illegal? Why are the Conservative MPs allowing this bull-necked man so much power?

Sadly Val I do not think May is off her trolley. I think she knows exactly what she is doing, she is a Remainer after all and her husband has a lot to lose financially if we leave the EU. Or the BND (the German Secret Service) must have some real dirt on TM's father (alleged alleged paedophile) to make her betray her country. I found this comment from a DM poster ....

"Folk will do well to bear in mind that Rev Brasier, sire of the current pm had certain proclivities and predilections that have been kept quiet in return for obedience. The files still exist and are proving useful"

Similar comments were seen last week on Breitbart, London. The current BND are using the same tactics as their Nazi predecessors, the SD, to ensure an individual's 'co-operation' for their ultimate plan.

I cannot fathom why we, the government and everyone else, is so b***dy supine about what May and Robbins are doing to us. We are sleepwalking into a vassal state of the EU, and Prliamentiary recess of course, is the best time for these traitors to do this. I truly feel helpless to stop a disaster brought about by our own PM.

The EU is trying the same tactic with the UK as it did with the Republic of Ireland - namely keep on voting until we give the EU the answer IT wants and to Hell with any form of democracy. I read yesterday that if the May wants an extension from December 2020, then EU will only grant it on the condition of a Second Referendum. And now that stupid, old fool Elton John is weighing in with his extensive political knowledge.

Now wonder Bliar removed Capital Punishment for Treason from the Statute Books - he should have been swinging for War Crimes. This nation has been so badly served by its PMs for the past 50 years, with the exception of The Blessed Margaret- as St John Stevens called her.

And where is the Blessed Margaret when we need her. I disagree with her on done things but at least she stood up for our country on the world stage and would have seen of the likes of Barnier and Juncker.

I see the Electoral Commission prosecuting anything or anyone connected with the Leave Campaign...Another corrupt tool of The Establishment.

Raab meeting Barnier today - or should that really read Robbins meeting Barnier to hand back control of the UK to the Brussels/Berlin Axis Power??

I will never understand why the Remainers want the UK to be governed by a foreign power - especially the one whose origins can be traced back to a certain regime in 1930s' Germany..The first President of the EEC, Walter Hallstein, was a member of that insane Austrian Corporal's legal team and a number of the EEC's high-ranking officials also supported Schicklgruber.

And how long before the EU's HQ is moved to its real spiritual home of Nuremberg???

Interesting comment on DM re Savid Javid British Home Secretary...."Javid, brought up in the Mohammedan faith, in adulthood has declared himself to be non-observant, yet, when swearing his oath in Parliament, despite having secular options open to him, chose to swear upon a copy of the Qu'ran. (These are facts upon the public record and recorded by television in Parliament.)

This man is the danger, not Boris, and it's more alarming that Javid is Home Secretary, oversees MI5 and is given confidential briefings on terrorism. Javid is the wolf in sheep's clothing and God help the UK if he ever becomes PM because the Caliphate will become a reality."

This says all you need to know about the man who wants to become Prime Minister. Irish terrorists given complete immunity from prosecution while British soldiers, and even retired old ones, are hounded by the courts. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6685065/Jeremy-Corbyn-faces-backlash-Luciana-Berger-bullying-accusations.html