Lies are probably the most used weapon in the world. For example, the corporate terrorists don't even usually need weapons to terroize and steal from the citizens in the same country they exist in. All they have to do is lie to people and get the people to fight against their own interets. Fighting this lies is where the blogosphere is powerful.

What really upsets all of you "we're not anti-semiti" morons is: All of those captured weapons dropped by the Arab/Russian military high tailing it out of Israel was The Israei's reworking those weapons and making them work correctly.

Israel has a right to nuclear weapons. And in the same manner, so do her neighbors, even Iran. As an american citizen and taxpayer, my only complaint is I do not want to pay for israels weapons or security. Israel is a total pain in the rear and a financial leech. To make the world safe for the chosen people, at the expense of the christians, muslims, and druze of palestine, the rest of the planet has had to suffer with hyper-inflation and now manufactured terrorism. If Israel and israelis want to steal somebody else's land thats their business. Let them deal with the consequences. But if I have to pay $4.00 per gallon, not only will I work to stop funding israel. I'll work to give the land back to the palestinians.

Maybe you aren't seeing any posts because your hate filled postings completely miss the point. Lies are everywhere- especially persavive in Israel and the US (which has no foormal alliance with Israel because Israel has never recognized its own borders as defined by the UN). Palestine was created by the UN at the same time Israel was, and Israel refuses to acknowleddge that fact.

You got a problem with comments against Israel? All your arguments turn back on themselves because a nation that functions based on lies cannot defend itself in an open forum.

All of your posts are hate filled, narrow, insensitive, weak, and have nothing to do with the real issue raised here. And since you post Anonymous, why should anybody listen to you anyway?

Pls everyone ignore the flaming shills. They cannot hide the truth as truth is undestructable. And eternal. Unlike Israeli lies.

If we all ignore 'it", it will get bored and go elsewhere to try to derail the truth. Immature shill brats crave attention, just like any disfunctional neurosis. Do not feed the trolls. Please!

Its bad enough we are subjected to an endless vomitous river of lies of the evil masters that they serve.

It is the hollow vessel that makes the most noise. Something these shills are unable to comprehend as they transfer all their sins upon everyone else. How O.T. Scapegoating, projecting, not owning the evil of ones own sins.Thinking placing those sins on an innocent goat or person somehow makes the innocent guilty, and the sinful absolved? How twisted and sick is that? Sociopaths.

Right things never require justifications. That is an alien concept to those who think cunning, lies and deception are excellent behaviors. Who is the father of all lies anyway? Do not have to search too far to see who they grovel to.

The Pharisees of today are no less vipers as they were long ago. Was The Christ 'Anti-Semite' for chasing the corrupt from the temple?

It is not 'anti-semite' to oppose monsters that have not a drop of semite blood, for their endless crimes against the humanity. And breaking of commandments. Khazar's are NOT SEMITE. But they ARE EVIL.http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/synagogue_of_satan.htm http://www.iamthewitness.com/http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_index.htmlhttp://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htmTHE EVIDENCES SPEAK OH SO MUCH LOUDER THAN SHILL LIES.

They cannot refute it. So watch as they try to call me names. (Which are like water off a ducks back) As those names hold no truth either. When they attack me, I rejoice as I am right on target. And it only betrays their desperation and fears. Because if there were any substance to what they say, they'd back it up with some kind of evidence, instead they tangle themselves up in more webs of lies. If they were such moral chosen people, they would be capable of sane discourse. If the hollowcost was as their official story claims it is. They would require no laws to hide it. They are nothing but frauds, fronts, and hypocrits.

I have nothing against real sincere pious Jewish people. But I do not like Zionists, because of their LACK of integrity. THEY CHOOSE TO BE DESPISED, AS THEY CHOOSE TO BE CRIMINALS. It is not 'anti-semite' to oppose any other Non Semite Mafia types. That is all we need to know. Neither do we need to waste our energy or breath trying to have discourse with ones who come here to waste our time & energies.

PLS IGNORE THEM. I will not be feeding the trolls.I promise you that. I ignore ignorance. And I especially ignore evil craven little shills.

With astonishing prescience, Albert Einstein (and friends) warned us about the - quote - "Nazi", and - quote - "fascist" designs of Menachim Begin and his followers.Don't belive me on this score.

See for yourself:http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/einstein/nyt_orig.htmlI fear we didn't listen.No doubt the Zionists present here will be deaf to every word of substance contained within the letter.

It would not surprise me to find that the "bricked over" wall to their nuclear facilities was a lie and that Israel in fact does not have nuclear weapons.

They are total liars and murderers. They are amoral. They are anti-human.

Israel should actually be disolved as an entity, but it is too late for that. Now, right now, it is essential that the world rein them in and show them that they are not "above" other humans, that they are not "chosen" except by themselves.

It is time for a new way of thinking and that will not have very much to do with established religions.

It is far better that we all behave morally because we desire to behave morally, than to behave morally only for the sake of "salvation".

Israel is beyond salvation at this point, but maybe, just maybe, with enough pressure and forcing Israelis to learn to behave, maybe there is a chance for peace.

Palestinians want peace. Israel wants to lie and obfuscate about their weapons capabilities and just about everything else.

I pity the Jews around the world who do not support this barbarity, and implore them to be vocal, to use their voices to silence the evildoers who speak for them.

Today in the Mirror.co.uk there was a headline that read: "BOY DIES IN GAZA". Why not the truth: "Boy slaughtered by Israelis"?

Hi allThe reason Israel uses all kinds of weapons, psychological and physical is simple. Israel wants to survive.The reason the palestineans use all kinds of weapons is also simple. They want to destroy Israel. So do the Iraneans, the Syrians, and so did the former Iraqi government.Israel is fighting for survival. It never destroyed any country, nation or people although it has the power and had many opportunities to do so. It did wage bloody wars and did commit crimes during those wars. So did everyone else. Show me one country who did not commit war crimes, which does not justify them, evil people are everywhere. War itself is such a painful and ugly business that I wish non of you will have to experience it as I or my friends did. But when it comes down to the survival of my kids, I will do ANYTHING necessary, and be willing to pay the price for it, so long they have a future.As for Anonymus 2's point about funding Israel, I can see the logic, but bear in mind that that money the US pays Israel each year is used to buy arms from American companies (that's the condition on which Israel gets that money). So it basically goes back into the US economy.Also, if you think that the Israeli Palestinean conflict makes you pay $4 a gallon, you must be forgetting the rising chinese demand for oil, the trouble in oil producing countries in Africa and South America, the damages of Hurricane Katrina to the US oil industry, the war in Iraq, political unrest in Saudi Arabia etc. etc.peace all

To the guy that called me a lying sack etc.1. The reason I live in Israel with my kids is because we can't trust anyone aelse to ensure our safety, obviously not anyone like you.2. Israel did not "start all this". This war that began in 2000 - the Palestineans "started" by attacking civilian neighborhoods, firing light weapons, RPGs and mortars at vilages and towns.Just to remind you that a few weeks before the fighting began PM Barak met with PA chairman Arafat and offered full and comprehensive peace. Arafat's answer was this war we are waging for the past 6 years.3. If you think that Israel is "the worst aggressor" then answerme why do we take such trouble, risk our necks, lose our friends in combat so the palestineans civilian casualties will be as low as possible?wouldn't it be easier to just bomb the hell out of Gaza?Why did we pull out in the first place?if the Palestineans are such peace lovers, why did they fire hundreds of rockets at Israeli towns?4. As for "the Palestinians are the ones defending their lives, livlihoods, and children" Palestinean economy is dependant on Israeli economy. Before October 2000 the Palestineans thrived. We had joint ventures, factories, agricultural projects, educational projects. Everything shut down when the fighting began. Not immediately, people here were hopeful the fighting will end, but over the past 6 years there was nothing left. You can't work when you're constantly watching your back. The truth is the Palestineans sacrificed "their lives, livlihoods, and children" for a nationalistic ideal, which we're all paying the price for.peace

It is obvious that israeli lovers hate it when their orafices are exposed. Seems everyday people are waking up to the scum of the earth. Hope to see the cancer of humanity get their own dose of radiation sooner than later to kill the disease reaking havoc on this planet.

What brought your parents to Israel and why were they allowed to become Israeli citizens while Palestinians have no right to return to the land their great great great great . . . grandfathers were born on?

My parents came to Israel because they realized they can't live securely anywhere else in the world. Here is the only place where a jew doesn't have to take any crap from anyone for just being a jew and they had their share. As for the Palestineans I don't think the question of "the RIGHT of return" is a question of historical right, as we can debate until kingdom come who was here first, and who has true right over this land. For me it's a plain matter of survival. If the all Palestineans settle in Israel, the country will de facto cease to exist, leaving me helpless to their whim. I don't think that's a viable option to me or anyone else here.I'm still waiting for youe answer...

There is nothing semetic about you Louis. You and your tribe have no claim to Palestine. Go back to Khazaria where you belong. If you want people to accept your tribe when you move to and try to take control of their lands then behave like humans instead of the mutants you and your ancestors are, quit terrorizing the world, and quit your fucking whining.

Hi thereThe Khazar theory is a not an established one, but mostly based on speculations. The fact that people accept it as if it was THE truth doesn't make it so. If you have solid evidence, please bring it forth.Even if it were true, there is no Khazaria today, so unless you want to start moving around some parts of Ukraine, Iran, Khazakhstan and a few other "stans" which I'm sure won't be too thrilled at the thought, I think what you are suggesting is we just take a hike. That's a great solution to the problem. I'm impressed, why didn't we think of that?!

Louis, I haven't heard Israel ever speak of integrating the two societies, etc. So how does this notion (above) differ from what is currently communicated to Palestinians; I am guessing there is a logically consistent rationale here, right?

On the contrary, Israel has agreed to a Palestinean state in the Oslo agreements, and in the "road map to peace" plan that was endorsed by the EU, the US, Russia and the UN. There are four known subjects of dispute on which both sides will have to compromise in order to get there:1. The final borders2. Control of Jerusalem3. The right of return4. Release of prisonersSince up to date everybody is being pig-headed and isn't willing to give in an inch, some people here are content with the mutual blood shedding.A multi-national state is an option many Israelis view as dangerous, but two states or a confederation are solutions that look possible to both sides. The problem is the great mistrust between us. The objective of the Oslo agreement was to create a better atmosphere and build mutual trust. October 2000 hit many Israelis smack in the face. We truely believed we're going towards peace and we got a mini-war instead. To rebuild that trust will take a very long time and a lot of good will, which obviously isn't there right now

Hate to break this to you, Louis, but you suffer from delusional psychosis, most probably as a result of chronic paranoia.

There is no debate as to who was in Palestine first. You and your parents most definitely were NOT.

You have no right to be there let alone kill others whose immediate families can trace their lineage UNINTERRUPTED on that land thousands of years back. Indeed, it's not even plausible that you have any connection to that land - not even remote. People from that land are semitic - olive skin - Jews, Muslims, and Christians - not WHITE. That's as far as connection to the land is concerned.

Even if we were to accept, for argument's sake, that you had any connection whatsoever to the land, however remote, that would not entitle you to kill and maim others so that Israelis can "secure a long-term majority for Israel." THAT IS ETHNIC CLEANSING. It is a war crime and a crime against humanity. It's the work of the Arrogant One.

As for your lame excuse that "Here is the only place where a jew doesn't have to take any crap from anyone for just being a jew." This demonstrates beyond question your state of irredeemable psychosis.

Jews around the world live in the best of conditions - better than any other racial, religious or ethnic group on earth. I don't care what you or anyone else attributes that fact to - merit or otherwise - but it is a fact.

So, the idea that you need to have your own majority state in order to live in Peace is a crock of shit. Moreover, you can't live in peace while constantly WAGING WAR on the land's native inhabitants. Israel is the aggressor. It is plain as day for anyone who is not delusional.

Finally, you claim "For me it's a plain matter of survival. If the all Palestineans settle in Israel, the country will de facto cease to exist, leaving me helpless to their whim." That is nothing but hysterical psychosis.

There is NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to demonstrate your hallucinatory suggestion that if Israel and Palestine became one homogenous land where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together that there would be anything other than what there has been for centuries before the advent of the racist, apartheid, Zionist state of Israel.

So, Louis, you poor delusional soul, wakeup and accept the truth before the truth overcomes you.

There simply must be something, some reason, some fear or inherent self defense mechanism which is proven in history and alive in the present, defined as why does every country where Jews have emigrated, either covertly or overtly despise them and either wish them out or drive them out. Perhaps the starting point is this "chosen people" nonsense. What can possibly be more demeaning, racist and contemptable than this?

Hi qrswaveThanks for the observation, although you state you business is law, it's clear you have some first hand knowledge in psychology. I will take your kind words into consideration.1. The fact of the matter is that you don't really know what's happening on the ground. my lame excuse comes from personal experience from the time I lived in your beloved US of A.2. I never said we live here in peace, and we don't wage war for peace. We live and fight here to survive, and although we'd love to live in peace and it's our genuine wish, we'd rather go on living and fighting than rest in peace.3. Since the "Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in force) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip." and Hamas now runs the Plaestinean government, I think my delusions are not as severe as you would like me to think.4. As for the idea that Israel and Palestine will become one homogenous society, it's fairly obvious that you know very little about Israelis and Palestineans as cultures, and that is pretty arrogant on your part, thinking that from your distant perspective you truely comprehend what life here is like.5. I have the right to kill anyone who tries to kill mestill waiting for your answer....peace

Israel kills shit colored mud people(aka turd world idiots) and thus deserves every support and enncouragement. The only problem is that they kill too few. The fewer muds the better off civilization and White people will be

There remains a state within the state that Louis and others seem unaware of. It is this subculture that has positioned Israel where it is and people like Louis where they are. You do not seek a peaceful existence by creating a war through invasion and occupation. Many Jews choose not to reside in Israel for that reason. You are been used Louis by a group of people who are closely linked to people in Europe and America that have taken secret oaths to protect and serve each other above any and all other oaths that they may make in public. They have well paid or black mail liable agents that are members of worldwide organisations down to the level of civil and public servants who will act as instructed. The average good citizens of Israel are pawns in their long term plan as are the Palestinians and the majority of the people in the World. Average citizens can only hurt these international mafioso by withdrawing their labour, boycotting their products and sevices and supporting legislation that does not permit public or cival servants membership in fraternities that maintain oaths which allow for the contradiction of the laws of the land.

The hook nosed parasites are chosen because they say they are chosen. Go back to Khazaria where you belong and quit terrorizing the world. You racist kikes are nothing but a fucking cancer on this planet. Hope you get nuked, then the world's cancer will be cured.

Wow, I didn't know people still talked like that. There is one type of person in this world that can be found anywhere, regardless of race, religion or homeland: ignorant racist losers(eg.12:12:54 AM) , and they comprise the bulk of the "cancer" on this planet.

Aside from that, good debate people. I am just learning about these issues and I thank you for your info.

Telling LIES to the NON-jEW is advocated by their holy book, the tal-MUD ... http:www.abbc.net/talmud/index.htm whom the consider to be LESS than human... http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html ... AND excrement ... READ... http://www.crescentandcross.com ... HOW do white East European Ashkenazis become Semites by "converting" to jUDAISM ??? By converting to jUDAISM, does it give them a "right" to other peoples' lands ? ..http://www.rense.com/general44/rightdo.htm

Did Sammy Davis Jr, Whoopie Goldberg amd Peruvians become Semites by "converting " ???.... http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=25606 ... http://www.assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/JewsareKhazars.htm .... The religion of the converted Khazars teaches that LYING to Gentiles is accepted and even Mandated ... http;//www.biblebelievers.org.au/facts2.htm ....MOST jEWS are Khazars who "converted" to jUDAISM... And Ashenazis are 95 % of the world's jEWISH populaion ... http://www.judicial-inc.biz/Romanoffs.htm AND they come from Khazaria... http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Pike5.html ...

It's amazing how many bad ideas religion can encourage. Let me put it simply: I love all people, and fuck you to any god or creed that tries to convince me otherwise. That is false religion.

So here is my naive and insane proposal: Lets take a step back, and count to ten. Maybe, just maybe, instead of the endless bickering about certain groups being "evil", instead of fighting for "honor" or nationalism or land, we could just realize that PEOPLE ARE DYING and it sucks. Hello Mr. Bush? Mr. Olmert? Mr. Haniya? Could we all just STFU about the past and figure out how to stop killing each other today?!?!

I suspect that there are (supranational) power interests with way too much too lose in that scenario. So the wars will be fomented. The flames will be stoked. And people on both sides will post blog comments that have no purpose other than to exacerbate the problem.

People like Louis (most likely a good and concientious person who wants nothing more than what all of us want)will continue to see less than the full picture, because he sees through the lenses he has inherited from history and tradition. Others will miss pieces of the puzzle that Louis sees more clearly than they ever will. WHo are we? Insignificant specks of cosmic dust killing one another because we think we "KNOW" something. Fucking ridiculous, and I wish you all would cut it the fuck out. None are blameless.

None are blameless, even me, an American citizen who has not done enough to know and expose his own government's crimes and support for same. Knowing what I know about my own government, how could I not be hunger striking on the white house lawn? Must be something about ensuring the survival of my children.

Khazars are god hating gypsies with brains. They have no part in the inheritance of Abraham, most gentiles have more Abrahamic blood than Ashkenazis. They are classic paranoid schizophrenics who claim they are an oppressed people when in fact they are the world's greatest perpetrators of genocide and slavery.

These mongols/huns are a tool of God designed to be doomed by their own nature and Israel will end up a gigantic glassine crater about ten miles across. The true Hebrew people will someday rebuild the temple but it won't be these gypsy conmen and shifty-eyed embezzlers.

Louis said... My parents came to Israel because they realized they can't live securely anywhere else in the world. Here is the only place where a jew doesn't have to take any crap from anyone for just being a jew and they had their share...Mon Jul 10, 07:39:58 PM EDT"

What an utter load of bollocks! Thank you to qrs for having addressed that comment as logically, reasonably, and as thoroughly as s/he did.

Louis said... The Khazar theory is a not an established one, but mostly based on speculations. The fact that people accept it as if it was THE truth doesn't make it so. If you have solid evidence, please bring it forth.Even if it were true, there is no Khazaria today...

Mon Jul 10, 08:21:51 PM EDT

Your own words have betrayed you Louis. Funny how that sometimes happens ;)

There's no evidence that legendary Israel actually existed. The fact that some accept it as if it was true doesn't make it so. If you have solid evidence, please bring it forward.

Even IF it were true, there is no Israel today. [See how easily, truthfully, and factually that sentence could have been written up until 1948, less than 60 years ago!]

What's important to remember is that legendary/fabelled/biblical Israel HAD NOT EXISTED FOR ALMOST 2,000 YEARS; IF it ever existed at all.

Furthermore :

"Even if it were true, there is no Khazaria today, so unless you want to start moving around some parts of Ukraine, Iran, Khazakhstan and a few other "stans" which I'm sure won't be too thrilled at the thought..."

And that is precisely what really happened in Palestine circa 1948. It's precisely what Britain did in and to Palestine, they partitioned it; part of it became Israel. And Hell NO, the Pals aren't too thrilled at the FACT. Who could HONESTLY blame them?

And yet, Israeli Jews cannot even honour/stay within the assigned borders. Why is that Louis? It's never enough for the world's most long-suffering, most paranoid/delusional, most brainwashed, perpetual "victims". Why is that? Oh yeah, Jews are almost universally persecuted. The only place Jews can be safe is in Israel. (Surrounded on all sides by millions of their sworn enemies? Talk about yer grand delusions!) Yadda, yadda... I've only heard the stories oh about a million freakin' times.

Kennedy pressed for inspections of Israel's Demona nuclear site, Ben Gurion rejected this. Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson never pressured for inspections. Johnson likewise caved on the USS Liberty investigations. Johnson and every American President since has been a zionist lap dog, virtual traitors to their coountry and hypocrites to any nation state now seeking a nuclear capability. WHO WAS REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION ??????

quote:====================The reason I live in Israel with my kids is because we can't trust anyone aelse to ensure our safety, obviously not anyone like you.====================

Yeah - Jews are persecuted and routinely murdered in the United States.That's why poor 'lil Baruch Goldstein exploited his birthright" to "return" to where he'd never been in the first place - because he was persecuted in the United States.Or did he exploit his "birthright" in order to help "purify" the "promised land"?

People wake up. Do not get trapped into arguments about "Jews." This is not a Jewish-Arab conflict, no matter how many people try to convince you it is. It is a conflict over the idea that one state, Israel, can rule over the majority population and continually expand its borders, remove settlers but not go home, etc. It is about Israeli "security," and who benefits from it and who does not. It's about basic fairness and freedom and self-determination for all peoples of the region. It is about the diminishing returns on U.S. policy of Israel always comes first. It is about the consequences not of a strategic alliance with Israel but a sentimental one that is not grounded in reality. If you want to plant a Jewish state in the Middle of the Arab world, you, and by that I mean the entire international community, must be willing to reign that state in and force it to behave as a neighbor which means Israel has to give back the Sheba Farms, Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip or it faces the consequences of becoming a pariah state.

The State of Israel existing at this point in history should be considered heretical by all Jews. The fact this is ignored by the Zionists who coincidentally all seem to have the wrong skin pigmentation for the locality seems to matter not one whit to either them or their supporters.

Many interesting comments. As always with debate of this nature, there is much "agenda stamping"

But is this really about Israel and self-importance. I am reading here various levels of self-importance. Israel, the club, is chaste while the recipients can wallow in their own indulgence. And it is not just the Israelis that do this. Also some Israelis are humble.

Back to facts. In the earliest historical references the Israelis were made up of nomadic tribes after Adams fell from grace. The tribes of Cain and Abel were at war with genocide [?] at heart hardly a second after Adam's fall. Did ancient man deal with reptilian aliens to defy "God". Certainly the 'forbidden fruit' analogy supports the notion of self importance and the need for clothes. Now that has been magnified many times.

In fact the casulty is faith. Religion is imposed on the masses by the people of the highest importance in order to segregate their esteem. They are literally above the masses and they are exalted by revelation which adorns God in terms everything human. God is a human being, according to Scripture, in every measure. Therefore important LIVING human beings are more important than God.

So instead of determining what is the continuation of life, the self important are committed to ownership and asset protection. This exults their status and distracts the burning question, the common question of all humans: why am I (me, not you) here and where do I go. Because those committed to self importance are faithless, we have a society littered with individuals who are closset atheists. These people have utter contempt for human lives (other than their own) as a way of rebelling against atonement. That is why the Jew created the ultimate God - man.

Other religions have exactly the same strategy. Jesus message was lost by including Paul's tripe and the Old Testament. The Christian is a defacto Jew. Mohamad plagerised most of his philosophy (as did Jesus). Buddha started out by offering something different then colapsed in a heap of self importance. Some of the Indian religions at least celebrate God as an entity that is far from human.

But the coup that those who have administered the Jewish religion pulled as the absolute method of subjegation was the creation of the diaspora Jew. That unequivocally created an unbreakable bond between the flag and revelation. Even Mohamad has not really united islamics in super sujegation. If you are born a Jew you BELONG to Israel and will do as you are told by those who are important. So says God.

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