So you are saying that the CPC has a hidden agenda then? That we will not see their true colors until the have the majority? I don't like hidden agendas.

I don't like the use of the term hidden agenda...

Specifically because every man, woman and child on this planet has one.

:?

I don't have a hinden agenda and most Canadians do not !
Maybe biggie torys do ?

I think what Biggie means is that everyone has something they want to do, but won't until they can be sure they can do it...what I mean is...if you are an anti-abortion advocate and you want to get elected, then you shake people's hands and say "I want to lower the poor's taxes" and "I support universal health care"...not "I don't want women having abortions..."...if you get elected, that might happen to weasle it's way into your policy...

erl

I would think that tol gain attention in a good light will bring the Torys a step closer to winning a majority at the next fixed election date, or the Tory record may also be used to take power from the torys if real action is not seen to be taken !

So, if he still gets your vote, then what exactly is the incentive to stop shifting to the center? How exactly, if the CPC is still getting your vote, do you expect to apply any pressure to move them back to the right? The media won't do it for you. Lobbyists won't do it for you.

Maybe a Liberal government headed by Dion would do more for conservatism in this country than a Harper led minority moving to the center. Maybe the Liberal brand would be tarnished in a manner similar to the Bob Rae brand?

I think what people need is prolonged forced dosage of the hard left socialism that they think they like. I think the best way to move the center right in this country would be to force 3 consecutive NDP majorities on the country. The only way people are going to give up on the left is if they get some personal experience with it.

But at what cost K?
What if Dion is serious about a carbon tax, daycare etc...

Maybe a Liberal government headed by Dion would do more for conservatism in this country than a Harper led minority moving to the center. Maybe the Liberal brand would be tarnished in a manner similar to the Bob Rae brand?

I think what people need is prolonged forced dosage of the hard left socialism that they think they like. I think the best way to move the center right in this country would be to force 3 consecutive NDP majorities on the country. The only way people are going to give up on the left is if they get some personal experience with it.

But at what cost K?
What if Dion is serious about a carbon tax, daycare etc...

Its not worth it

I just finished watching The anty atlantic Canadian Tory Gang here all pointing to Atlantic Canadians and claiming it is the falt of Atlantic Canadians, that they can not be trusted so this is how Steven Harper ownes up to his actions, too blame the Atlantic Canadians. I must say that this is the straw that breaks the back of this government as fair as I can tell we need a real government who do want to do what is right, not this gang of finger pointers. This will be the end of the Tory Party in this Country I hope you bunch of snakes in Ottawa are happy, for your day of removal from office is much closer now, to hell with you so called conservitives, witck is a lie we do not have a Tory government !
The Torys and their reactive government are history we need a proactive government and clearly Ottawa can ownly point fingers of blame and can not lead in any form of the word !
The next government will wipe out all of your gangsters in Ottawa !

The Tories have the whole summer to do polling and researching the effects of their policies of the last year on their base voters. The media is even picking up on our disatisfaction. These guys are not fools. The last budget wasd to show lefty voters that the Tories are not scary right wingers like the Libs and dippers say. That crap won't work next election.

In the fall you will see a mini budget and new plan for the next year or two. I betting the plan will include measures to increase our productivity, lower taxes and a pledge for zero spending increases.

The move to the left has cost the Conservatives in the polls but it has redefined their boundaries. Read any of the books about the last election and the planning and polling these guys do.

The Tories have the whole summer to do polling and researching the effects of their policies of the last year on their base voters. The media is even picking up on our disatisfaction. These guys are not fools. The last budget wasd to show lefty voters that the Tories are not scary right wingers like the Libs and dippers say. That crap won't work next election.

In the fall you will see a mini budget and new plan for the next year or two. I betting the plan will include measures to increase our productivity, lower taxes and a pledge for zero spending increases.

The move to the left has cost the Conservatives in the polls but it has redefined their boundaries. Read any of the books about the last election and the planning and polling these guys do.

They will rebound big-time.

Would you care to make a wager on the leadership of this fake Tory Party !
We are going to see, I can tell you their is no love for the Torys in Vancouver !
And their record for standing up for Canada and Canadians will cost them votes for they have never taken any action at all not once, The Torys are more interested in getting their communist government friends taken care of then Standing for Canada or Canadians in anyway what so ever that is not going to go away !

The Tories have the whole summer to do polling and researching the effects of their policies of the last year on their base voters. The media is even picking up on our disatisfaction. These guys are not fools. The last budget wasd to show lefty voters that the Tories are not scary right wingers like the Libs and dippers say. That crap won't work next election.

In the fall you will see a mini budget and new plan for the next year or two. I betting the plan will include measures to increase our productivity, lower taxes and a pledge for zero spending increases.

The move to the left has cost the Conservatives in the polls but it has redefined their boundaries. Read any of the books about the last election and the planning and polling these guys do.

They will rebound big-time.

Would you care to make a wager on the leadership of this fake Tory Party !
We are going to see, I can tell you their is no love for the Torys in Vancouver !
And their record for standing up for Canada and Canadians will cost them votes for they have never taken any action at all not once, The Torys are more interested in getting their communist government friends taken care of then Standing for Canada or Canadians in anyway what so ever that is not going to go away !

Nicklan do you realize that you are just whinning and not bringing up any valid arguments.
Communist gov't friends, who are they?
What polls or information are you quoting to say that Vancouver gives no love to the CPC?
If you are a consevative maybe give some suggestions on how to fix the problem you see with the party. Do you have any?

The Tories have the whole summer to do polling and researching the effects of their policies of the last year on their base voters. The media is even picking up on our disatisfaction. These guys are not fools. The last budget wasd to show lefty voters that the Tories are not scary right wingers like the Libs and dippers say. That crap won't work next election.

In the fall you will see a mini budget and new plan for the next year or two. I betting the plan will include measures to increase our productivity, lower taxes and a pledge for zero spending increases.

The move to the left has cost the Conservatives in the polls but it has redefined their boundaries. Read any of the books about the last election and the planning and polling these guys do.

They will rebound big-time.

Would you care to make a wager on the leadership of this fake Tory Party !
We are going to see, I can tell you their is no love for the Torys in Vancouver !
And their record for standing up for Canada and Canadians will cost them votes for they have never taken any action at all not once, The Torys are more interested in getting their communist government friends taken care of then Standing for Canada or Canadians in anyway what so ever that is not going to go away !

Nicklan do you realize that you are just whinning and not bringing up any valid arguments.
Communist gov't friends, who are they?
What polls or information are you quoting to say that Vancouver gives no love to the CPC?
If you are a consevative maybe give some suggestions on how to fix the problem you see with the party. Do you have any?

Not telling the truth is not a valid aguement for the Torys?
I have done more then just give suggestions I have taken Action, Boeing is offering me the C-17's that will save billions for Canada, but Ottawa and the CPC are to busy they say !They say they have no money yet spend 10's of billions on projects in Ontario, Quebec and Alberta?
If anyone in the CPC PMO can find time to take some needed action for Canada and Canadians, it would be my pleasure to take action on behalf of Canada and Canadians if they can find the time, they are so busy that none of them little lone the PM are willing to even call me or take me up on my offer. Or even discuss it to busy they say !

The Tories have the whole summer to do polling and researching the effects of their policies of the last year on their base voters. The media is even picking up on our disatisfaction. These guys are not fools. The last budget wasd to show lefty voters that the Tories are not scary right wingers like the Libs and dippers say. That crap won't work next election.

In the fall you will see a mini budget and new plan for the next year or two. I betting the plan will include measures to increase our productivity, lower taxes and a pledge for zero spending increases.

The move to the left has cost the Conservatives in the polls but it has redefined their boundaries. Read any of the books about the last election and the planning and polling these guys do.

They will rebound big-time.

Would you care to make a wager on the leadership of this fake Tory Party !
We are going to see, I can tell you their is no love for the Torys in Vancouver !
And their record for standing up for Canada and Canadians will cost them votes for they have never taken any action at all not once, The Torys are more interested in getting their communist government friends taken care of then Standing for Canada or Canadians in anyway what so ever that is not going to go away !

Nicklan do you realize that you are just whinning and not bringing up any valid arguments.
Communist gov't friends, who are they?
What polls or information are you quoting to say that Vancouver gives no love to the CPC?
If you are a consevative maybe give some suggestions on how to fix the problem you see with the party. Do you have any?

Brian Mulrony is one of the Torys who sits on the board of the Chinese Communist owned Black Stone does that get your attention ?
I have one sugestion, it is the same suggestion I made to Peter MacKay before the last election it was titled Stand Up For Canada! Try doing it foir real or quit and let some who wants to build Canada take real action. Funny how fast the Torys can make things happen when they want. But when it comes to real action that does not play to any of their personal interests they are to busy as is the case now according to the Ottawa Torys incharge now!
Too busy to actully do something real that is actully standing up for Canada and Canadians ! Too busy they say ! To busy for Canada, that should be all Canada needs to hear from this gang in Ottawa with to much time on their hands to do anything !

In short what I am saying rule as though you have a majority and he will get a majority.

I agree. After all, it worked for Joe Clark...

Ha Ha
The difference is Joe had no policies that Canadians could get behind, he was arrogant and he didnt rally his own team to stand up for him.
The lesson with Joe isnt pander to the official opposition it is listen to your opposition within the party.
Dion is no Trudeau either and Chretien is expired.

Plus, Joe Clark was a Liberal in blue clothing. Harper is not Joe Clark, but I don't think that he is any great true conservative leader either, he is no Thatcher. He is more like Chretien, a pragmatist, than anyone else I can think of. He will probably end up with his majority eventually, and we will end up with status quo governance in the mean time.

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