Okay. So I've been out of the loop a bit, as I'm living in North Texas with no MLB TV package since I have Dish Network. Is last night typical of Tribe games this year? You can only glean so much from newspapers, TV highlights, and ESPN text updates.

Plate ump sucked, second base wasn't much better (even the Rangers' TV guys admitted Kinsler was out on his steal).

Was in Sec. 325 last night behind the plate, happened to end up right behind four Tribe fans from Austin. Rock on.

Loved Tofu Lou scoring from second on the error. Dude's got balls of... well not steel. Edamame? Help me out here.

Still trying to figure out Oliver's balk. I've seen hundreds of balks, but I have only once before seen a pitcher drop the ball while on the rubber to do it and it was Doug Jones in his final Tribe stint of '98 when he was 86. Perhaps just the arthritis in Oliver's 75 year old hands flaring up?

Rangers had an autograph session before the game, and I finally got to meet Nolan Ryan. Always been a fan of his, saw him get his last career win 18 years ago at the old Stadium. Still have the scorecard from it in my messy 9-year-old handwriting, and now a signed card to go with it.

They have been the same pitcher all year long pretty much. Fausto has given up more home runs and has a slightly higher ERA but some of his peripherals are better than Jimenez. It doesn't really matter, but I know how upset people have been with Carmona this year, but we basically traded for....Fausto Carmona.

This is unfair. Jimenez is hurt. The drop in velo, the thumb issue, the hip issue.

Can't judge him until he's healthy. Look at the difference between Joe Smith last year and him this year.

Also, let's give Jimenez a year without worrying about hitting and running the bases.

IMO, there's no way we can really evaluate much of anything about this trade for quite some time yet.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

Calling a Japanese pitcher a Jap is not the same as called Asdrubal a spic. They are so different, Not even in the same ball park, not even the same sport. Now if I were to say slant-eye instead of Jap, then that'll be close to spic.

And if you're upset about me calling a Japanese pitcher a "Jap"; why not the Native Americans & Chief Wahoo??? Do you protest every year on opening day? What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

Calling a Japanese pitcher a Jap is not the same as called Asdrubal a spic. They are so different, Not even in the same ball park, not even the same sport. Now if I were to say slant-eye instead of Jap, then that'll be close to spic.

And if you're upset about me calling a Japanese pitcher a "Jap"; why not the Native Americans & Chief Wahoo??? Do you protest every year on opening day? What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

Not at this game. But some hot hispanic woman with huge ( . ) ( . ) was. It was the 8th-9th inning. The hot ball girl tossed the baseball to the woman, of course she didn't catch the ball with her hands or between her ( . ) ( . ). She bent down to get the ball and the camera stayed on her. STO's camera men sure do a great job of the action on the field and off.

Calling a Japanese pitcher a Jap is not the same as called Asdrubal a spic. They are so different, Not even in the same ball park, not even the same sport. Now if I were to say slant-eye instead of Jap, then that'll be close to spic.

And if you're upset about me calling a Japanese pitcher a "Jap"; why not the Native Americans & Chief Wahoo??? Do you protest every year on opening day? What are you smoking in your peace pipe?

Please just stop with the damn PC. It's words over the internet, certainly no reason for you to be playing mommy. I apologize to every JAPanese pitcher out there. Especially the one who gave up the homer to the Kipnis. For those two insurance runs did come in handy. Thank you

"Strangers passing in the street, by chances two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see his me."

Jap is absolutely used as a derogatory term. But why argue with a person who is apparently such a moron that you try to insult me for calling you out with even more unintelligent drivel about peace pipes.

Anyway, my wife is Japanese. I come here to be informed about the team like I said. But apparently there are some uneducated hicks on this forum that make it a little too insulting to bother coming here anymore. So keep your racist talk and I'll find somewhere else to read about the team.

If you're discussing WWII, specifically The Pacific, I can see where that term gets used with the context of the day, and, yes, Jap and Kraut were not terms of endearment. The imagery associated with the Japanese during WWII was very much racially motivated. Cartoons depicted them as monkey-like creatures with buck-teeth and bad vision. They were considered to be thieving, devious, unintelligent and sub-human. The Germans, irregardless of the fact that they'd taken over all of Europe and were attempting to exterminate an entire race of people, received a bit better press since they were more like 'us', meaning the white people of the day. Citizens of German ancestry weren't rounded up and sent to internment camps either...

My grandparents used those terms, along with a lot of other racial terms that aren't exactly appropriate today, but were way back when.

That said, there were much better ways to refer to the pitcher than calling him a 'Jap'. If he were African-American, would it have been OK to use the N word? Of course not. The 'spic' comment was dead on. It's a term you just don't use, there's no need, and it wasn't amusing.

I'm not offended, and I'm not an overly PC guy, it was just a poor choice of words, made more so by the notion afterwards that it wasn't a big deal. Using a racial slur is a big deal, regardless of which slur you're using. Intolerance to that isn't being PC.

Historical Fact since we were discussing the Pacific: My avatar is that of the 37th Infantry Division, based mostly out of OH, PA, MI and IN during WWII. They were known as the Fighting Buckeyes, and fought in the Pacific. I had several relatives from Cleveland in that division, one of whom was killed in the Philippines.

WiscTribeFan wrote:If you're discussing WWII, specifically The Pacific, I can see where that term gets used with the context of the day, and, yes, Jap and Kraut were not terms of endearment. The imagery associated with the Japanese during WWII was very much racially motivated. Cartoons depicted them as monkey-like creatures with buck-teeth and bad vision. They were considered to be thieving, devious, unintelligent and sub-human. The Germans, irregardless of the fact that they'd taken over all of Europe and were attempting to exterminate an entire race of people, received a bit better press since they were more like 'us', meaning the white people of the day. Citizens of German ancestry weren't rounded up and sent to internment camps either...

My grandparents used those terms, along with a lot of other racial terms that aren't exactly appropriate today, but were way back when.

That said, there were much better ways to refer to the pitcher than calling him a 'Jap'. If he were African-American, would it have been OK to use the N word? Of course not. The 'spic' comment was dead on. It's a term you just don't use, there's no need, and it wasn't amusing.

I'm not offended, and I'm not an overly PC guy, it was just a poor choice of words, made more so by the notion afterwards that it wasn't a big deal. Using a racial slur is a big deal, regardless of which slur you're using. Intolerance to that isn't being PC.

Historical Fact: My avatar is that of the 37th Infantry Division, based mostly out of OH, PA, MI and IN during WWII. They were known as the Fighting Buckeyes, and fought in the Pacific. I had several relatives from Cleveland in that division, one of whom was killed in the Philippines.

No Germans were not rounded up like the Japanese, but they were discriminated against. My great grandparents and other Germans fleeing the Nazis were spit on after getting off the boat from Ellis Island. "No Krauts" was a common site for them around NYC, so they settled in Ohio because it's already large German population.

The Pacific thread the word pops up more than a few times. The term "Jap army" mainly.

"Using a racial slur is a big deal" No beef with that at all, man. I'm just saying it's ironic to be selectively outraged. Mick, Wop, Dago, Bo-hunk. Polack, Limey, Chinaman, and Kraut have all been used by members, and no one got upset. Honestly, as a white male, there aren't many thing you can call me that would offend me. "Cracker" and "Honkey" are funny IMO.

It's also ironic since this forum is about a team called the "Indians" and has a red faced mascot.

I think Lokais was a little overboard on the Fukudome thread, but I agree this him here. I don't know how you use "Jap" and then act surprised that someone got offended. Nothing trumps the N word, but Jap is pretty damn close.

All slurs aren't created equal. I don't know why they aren't, but I know it to be the case. I would feel really uncomfortable saying "jap" to someone's face, but would have littel problem calling CDT a Kraut or being called a Kraut myself. Maybe it's hypocritical. I just think "jap" is a pretty cut and dry case.

I'm also on record here thinking that Chief Wahoo is offensive and should be retired. I don't think it's overly "PC" to have these views.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:He didn't insult dude's wife, he made an off color comment.

It doesn't matter.

You and I have talked off the boards and you know full well that what I say around you and other people I personally know is far different from what I say on here. If that makes me a hypocrite, so be it. But, you never know who you are going to offend when you use racial slurs in the manner that they were used in this thread.

Best not to use them at all unless around people who are like-minded or won't be offended.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

Check the threads and pod-casts. I've been calling for them to go back to being called the "Blues" for years.

Have a nice evening.

I'd consider checking out your pod casts assuming they're better than that awful BTR show you did you Tripods. The one where you talked the whole time and he couldn't get a word in until you took a breath.... and the corn ball movie clips.

If it ain't people bitching in the first inning it's people whining about where someone's hitting. And if it ain't that it's someone typing the name of the player who just singled, made a play or drove in a run:

"Michael Brantley!!"

EVERYONE IN HERE SAW IT OR WATCHED THE DOTS AND KNOWS THE GD NAMES.

Christ.

And for fucksake, if there's a question of whether something's inappropriate then it probably fucking is. Use your effing heads.

And yeah, that includes the sloppy, red-faced logo and that is ironic given the turn the thread took. This Mick agrees with the gigantic kraut on that.