'This Week' Transcript: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

And last, but not least, we're unifying a country that's very
nationalistic, even if not entirely united in favor of fundamentalism.
Look about -- look at the opposition that surfaced a year ago. There's
a lot of opposition, but we're unifying them by creating an impression
that we're totally against Iran.

AMANPOUR: But do you think that -- I mean, here's an administration
that talked openly about engagement and, frankly, didn't really go as
far towards the -- the election -- the -- the democracy activists, the
green movement, hoping that there would be engagement, that that would
let them engage. But we're hearing there's no engagement. What's gone
wrong?

BRZEZINSKI: Well, look, first of all, I don't want to blame the
United States, because I think the Iranians are more to blame than the
United States. They've been devious, fanatical, obnoxious, threatening,
and all of that.

But if we don't want the regime to be perpetuated and to have
popular support, we have to watch what we're doing and what we're
saying. And I'm afraid some of the things we're saying and doing, and
maybe even threatening, tends to unite and strengthen the regime.

AMANPOUR: Do you think -- I asked George -- Ambassador Eikenberry
is doing a good job and should he stay in his -- in his position?

KHALILZAD: Well, I think he's doing a good job. He's -- but I
think he's no longer an effective interlocutor due to the leaks.

AMANPOUR: Which means?

KHALILZAD: I think -- which means that, if we want to deal with the
issue of partnership with the government of Afghanistan, if we want to
deal with the issue of domestic politics effectively, of capitalizing
cooperation, we would need to have a new team to be able to do that.

AMANPOUR: And last word, George. What has WikiLeaks done? Has it
shown, actually, the United States engaged in -- in sensible diplomacy?
Has it ruined the idea of diplomacy, as some people are saying?

WILL: Well, if you're the president of Yemen and it reveals that
you were actually conducting -- you're claiming to conduct raids that
America was conducting, it's injured you. If you're the defense
minister of Lebanon and you realize that you're now on record as having
sort of encouraged Israel or told them that you will not stand in their
way if they strike again in the north, that injures you.

But most of all, it injures the United States. Keeping secrets --
whether or not we have too many is not the question. Keeping secrets is
the government's responsibility. And it failed.

AMANPOUR: We have to continue this roundtable in the green room.
I'm sorry. We're out of time. But that will be at
abcnews.com/thisweek, where you can also see a special report on voices
from Afghanistan and find our fact checks in conjunction with PolitiFact.