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Corbyn has confirmed his party could support a second referendum

Corbyn made the statement in an article for The Guardian. The Labour Party has said it could push for a second public vote if it is unable to force a General Election. The Labour leadership is coming under pressure from ‘People’s Vote’ supporters within the Party to back another referendum.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

Corbyn made the statement in an article for The Guardian. The Labour Party has said it could push for a second public vote if it is unable to force a General Election. The Labour leadership is coming under pressure from ‘People’s Vote’ supporters within the Party to back another referendum.

Corbyn made the statement in an article for The Guardian. The Labour Party has said it could push for a second public vote if it is unable to force a General Election. The Labour leadership is coming under pressure from ‘People’s Vote’ supporters within the Party to back another referendum.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

I am not sure that saying you ''could'' do smething is in anyway a confirmation that you will do it. So once again Mr Corbyn is saying that all options are on the table. He says that those options ''should'' include campaigning for a second vote, but as we all know by now what should happen and what would happen are two different things.Mr Corbyn is Still glued to the fence.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

Hard to see how Labour will get "FULL alignment" with single market rules without accepting the single market rules on freedom of movement and having an independent trade policy.

Also, will leaver voters (on the right and left) be willing to accept full alignment where we have no say on what those rules are?

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

Hard to see how Labour will get "FULL alignment" with single market rules without accepting the single market rules on freedom of movement and having an independent trade policy.

Also, will leaver voters (on the right and left) be willing to accept full alignment where we have no say on what those rules are?

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Aligning fully with the single market means keeping UK laws pretty much the exact same as all EU laws on standards which cover everything from food production to animal welfare and workers rights.

So its pretty easy to have an independent trade policy whilst staying close to your nearest trading partner.

The problem with the Tories is that May's red lines wanted to diverge from all single market rules on standards so they could do a trade deal with America.

I know you will never agree as you just can't bring yourself to admit Corbyn is right but Labour's plan is sensible and it was Labour who said a Customs Union is the only way to solve the border issue, at least in part, LONG before the Tories did.

Also point of note for all those banging on about Freedom Of Movement, one of the reasons Labour are against May's deal is because it doesn't cover Services.

So you know, it would help if people read up on what Labour's position is rather than posting factually incorrect stuff all the time.

I know you will never agree as you just can't bring yourself to admit Corbyn is right but Labour's plan is sensible and it was Labour who said a Customs Union is the only way to solve the border issue, at least in part, LONG before the Tories did.

The best way to stay "aligned" with EU rules (while having a say in them) and avoiding any border problems in NI is to remain in the EU. I've never been that bothered by an "independent" trade policy as we would get better deals with the other major economic blocs through the EU

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

The right wing sewer press know this, but they like the old traditional quotes which are so loved by the right, like "a lie if repeated loudly and often enough soon becomes the truth" and "the best way to get the herd to believe a lie is to tell them a lie that they WANT to believe"

I know you will never agree as you just can't bring yourself to admit Corbyn is right but Labour's plan is sensible and it was Labour who said a Customs Union is the only way to solve the border issue, at least in part, LONG before the Tories did.

The best way to stay "aligned" with EU rules (while having a say in them) and avoiding any border problems in NI is to remain in the EU. I've never been that bothered by an "independent" trade policy as we would get better deals with the other major economic blocs through the EU

I don't think you fully understand what staying aligned means.

Labour want UK law on standards, goods etc to stay the same as EU law so it makes trading easier for business once we leave but outside of the EU the UK will have the ability to diverge on things should they wish. So the UK wouldn't have to obey EU law or have it forced upon them as per May's backstop would do if it was to kick in.

The Tories on the otherhand want to diverge on EU laws and standards so they can sign a free trade deal with America and join TPP.

At the end of the day Parliament felt they had to honour the Referendum result. Whether it can be honoured no one knows yet but Labour had a sensible plan to at least build on whereas the Tories didn't and the result of that is May's terrible deal.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

The right wing sewer press know this, but they like the old traditional quotes which are so loved by the right, like "a lie if repeated loudly and often enough soon becomes the truth" and "the best way to get the herd to believe a lie is to tell them a lie that they WANT to believe"

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

I know you have claimed this previously, but that doesn't make it true. Just one point - how can the UK be in a customs Union and have fully alignment to the Single Market and it's own trade policy.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

Did you actually read the post you replied to?

Yes. Where does it say what Labour's Brexit plan is?

I realise Cobynistas are every bit as in denial as Brexiters are (and are often one and the same), but where is Corbyn's Brexit plan?

I know you will never agree as you just can't bring yourself to admit Corbyn is right but Labour's plan is sensible and it was Labour who said a Customs Union is the only way to solve the border issue, at least in part, LONG before the Tories did.

The best way to stay "aligned" with EU rules (while having a say in them) and avoiding any border problems in NI is to remain in the EU. I've never been that bothered by an "independent" trade policy as we would get better deals with the other major economic blocs through the EU

I don't think you fully understand what staying aligned means.

Labour want UK law on standards, goods etc to stay the same as EU law so it makes trading easier for business once we leave but outside of the EU the UK will have the ability to diverge on things should they wish. So the UK wouldn't have to obey EU law or have it forced upon them as per May's backstop would do if it was to kick in.

The Tories on the otherhand want to diverge on EU laws and standards so they can sign a free trade deal with America and join TPP.

At the end of the day Parliament felt they had to honour the Referendum result. Whether it can be honoured no one knows yet but Labour had a sensible plan to at least build on whereas the Tories didn't and the result of that is May's terrible deal.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

The right wing sewer press know this, but they like the old traditional quotes which are so loved by the right, like "a lie if repeated loudly and often enough soon becomes the truth" and "the best way to get the herd to believe a lie is to tell them a lie that they WANT to believe"

Very true.

And why would the EU allow us seamless access to the single market if we didn't follow their laws? Especially the laws preventing state aid giving one country an unfair advantage over the rest that Corbyn is very keen to break.

It's more unicorns, BS and cherry picking. Like all Brexit plans, it will fall apart under examination.

How many times are Labour going to keep releasing the same story and say it as some kind of new policy?? There's almost a weekly thread about this at the moment. If they can't get an election, they want a referendum....that's been their policy for atleast 2months now.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

They're not blank they all have "SH1T!" written on them in big black letters.

He cannot talk in specifics because he knows that May's deal is the only viable option. Which is why, despite all the howling, it will get voted through.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

I know you have claimed this previously, but that doesn't make it true. Just one point - how can the UK be in a customs Union and have fully alignment to the Single Market and it's own trade policy.

It's nonsense.

When has Labour ever said we will have our own trade policy?

They've ALWAYS said they just want UK to have a say in the trade deals, that's all.
Barnier already confirmed that would be possible months ago.

i.e. they don't want a barebones CU like May's backstop where UK would just be a rule taker and have no say in anything.
They want to be either part of the negotiations or have opt outs and the likes via a joint committee, which is usually what happens in a customs union type deal.

I know you will never agree as you just can't bring yourself to admit Corbyn is right but Labour's plan is sensible and it was Labour who said a Customs Union is the only way to solve the border issue, at least in part, LONG before the Tories did.

The best way to stay "aligned" with EU rules (while having a say in them) and avoiding any border problems in NI is to remain in the EU. I've never been that bothered by an "independent" trade policy as we would get better deals with the other major economic blocs through the EU

I don't think you fully understand what staying aligned means.

Labour want UK law on standards, goods etc to stay the same as EU law so it makes trading easier for business once we leave but outside of the EU the UK will have the ability to diverge on things should they wish. So the UK wouldn't have to obey EU law or have it forced upon them as per May's backstop would do if it was to kick in.

The Tories on the otherhand want to diverge on EU laws and standards so they can sign a free trade deal with America and join TPP.

At the end of the day Parliament felt they had to honour the Referendum result. Whether it can be honoured no one knows yet but Labour had a sensible plan to at least build on whereas the Tories didn't and the result of that is May's terrible deal.

Some of us would like confirmation of what Labour's plan is, rather than just opposing the government's plan. The suspicion is Corbyn is playing his hand close to his chest, because all his cards are blank.

As has been explained to you countless times. Labour's position is a new customs union and FULL alignment to the Single Market for goods and services. This removes almost all the red lines Theresa May set instantly.

This position despite what the right wing media tell you to think hasn't changed since it became Labour policy almost two years ago.

The right wing sewer press know this, but they like the old traditional quotes which are so loved by the right, like "a lie if repeated loudly and often enough soon becomes the truth" and "the best way to get the herd to believe a lie is to tell them a lie that they WANT to believe"

Very true.

And why would the EU allow us seamless access to the single market if we didn't follow their laws? Especially the laws preventing state aid giving one country an unfair advantage over the rest that Corbyn is very keen to break.

It's more unicorns, BS and cherry picking. Like all Brexit plans, it will fall apart under examination.

The EU offered a EEA/SM+CU deal.

The first thing that's got to happen about state aid rules is that all people need to understand what it actually means.

Corbyn wants opt outs from competition rules, e.g. if he wanted to renationalize the railways he doesn't want to allow competition from outside. This would be fine under current rules, but possibly not if the UK were to accept the new Fourth Railway Package (Single Market for Railways).

There's nothing under Labour's current manifesto which would be affected by EU State Aid rules. It does not relate to bringing railways, water and energy grids into public ownership, it only relates to giving private companies state aid where it might give said company an unfair advantage over competition in other EU countries. We've had this conversation in dozens of other threads over the past 2 or 3 years.

How many times are Labour going to keep releasing the same story and say it as some kind of new policy?? There's almost a weekly thread about this at the moment. If they can't get an election, they want a referendum....that's been their policy for atleast 2months now.

I think you'll find it's not Labour making/releasing these "new" statements.
As you say, the policy has been the same ever since it was democratically decided by the members at conference.
Fight for a GE first. If no GE, campaign for a peoples' vote referendum.

Not much incentive for a leaver to vote for Labour if there's an election. An even softer Brexit than May's plan, which would be just as likely to fail in the Commons and then another referendum.

Correct. Labour's policy is Brino Max.
Labour never really wanted a referendum or to leave the EU in the first place.
And if they can't get into government, it's campaign for another referendum, and afaict, support remain.

Brino Max has more chance of getting through Parliament than any other deal.
95% or more of Labour MPs will support it, all of LD, SNP, Green & PC, plus around 20% Tories, which would be enough.

The chances of it happening though are bleak.

There's just as much chance of May resigning, a national crisis being declared and a national unity government being formed which revokes Article 50.

I was replying to Patsy Stone who claimed I have been told many times what Labour's policy is and that " its pretty easy to have an independent trade policy whilst staying close to your nearest trading partner." which is nonsense.