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Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by Silent-Rage923

Power

Top 5? I don't know if I agree. There are plenty of anime characters out there often ignored by the majority who in the end may just beat Goku. The main guy from "Problem Children" is a perfect example of this.

I'd also consider DBGT characters like Omega Shenron and SS4 Gogeta stronger than Goku as well.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Not necessarily, I say he's about the level of Superman Prime after GT. To be fair the extent of Superman Prime's power is not really known. And Shenron's power is based on the power of the guardian. Which for all intents and purpose is now Goku. Give Goku the 15k years Prime had and who knows what Goku is capable of. Especially since what ever the Guardian can do Shenron can do, just faster. And given that Goku has the ability to learn abilities just by seeing it once and having Shenron amplify it and you have a force to reckon with in any universe. But this is all speculation since there's no way to know on either end.

GT is non-canon, so nope.

Might as well throw AF.

And I don't know where you're getting all the information from but still non canon anyway.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by Kaitou+

GT is non-canon, so nope.

Might as well throw AF.

And I don't know where you're getting all the information from but still non canon anyway.

Since when? Just because the original creator didn't like doesn't mean it's not canon when it comes to the anime. Using that logic then Superman Prime isn't canon since the original creator didn't work on it. And the info is speculation, like I said. There's no info about the effects of the fusion.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Since when? Just because the original creator didn't like doesn't mean it's not canon when it comes to the anime. Using that logic then Superman Prime isn't canon since the original creator didn't work on it. And the info is speculation, like I said. There's no info about the effects of the fusion.

GT is def not canon as it was never apart of the manga. Same goes for the Garlic Jr. storyline that takes place inbetween the Android storyline. You could call it filler?

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Since when? Just because the original creator didn't like doesn't mean it's not canon when it comes to the anime. Using that logic then Superman Prime isn't canon since the original creator didn't work on it. And the info is speculation, like I said. There's no info about the effects of the fusion.

Canon when it comes to the anime? That makes no sense.

Something can't just be canon to the anime. That's like saying most DBZ movies are canon the the anime which most barely fit into the storyline.

I remember reading when Akira Toryima was working with the team for DragonBall Online, when he was making the story for it, he disregarded DBGT as canon. So there you go. But I gotta google that to make sure.

I never said for the manga. Anime isn't manga. Just think of it more like all the different timelines/universes in DC.

See, the's the mistake you made.

That sounds more like a damage control / excuse of a Goku fan trying to make GT a valid argument.

Another note: This is probably because Goku is the main character, but disregarding Battle of Z which happened recently, I never got why Superman got pitted against Goku when Mystic Gohan was the strongest character by the end of DBZ? But again, I probably answered my own question with my first statement.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Something can't just be canon to the anime. That's like saying most DBZ movies are canon the the anime which most barely fit into the storyline.

I remember reading when Akira Toryima was working with the team for DragonBall Online, when he was making the story for it, he disregarded DBGT as canon. So there you go. But I gotta google that to make sure.

That sounds more like a damage control / excuse of a Goku fan trying to make GT a valid argument.

Another note: This is probably because Goku is the main character, but disregarding Battle of Z which happened recently, I never got why Superman got pitted against Goku when Mystic Gohan was the strongest character by the end of DBZ? But again, I probably answered my own question with my first statement.

Goku Time non-canon doesn't count.

Part 1
There is when it deviates from the original material. They're two separate things. For the movies, yes but they do fit. They're two different beasts. And should be treated as such. If you follow the manga great, it's been my experience with the small amount I've read they tend to be better. Which makes sense as it follows the book greater then movie formula. And most people when they compare Goku vs Superman are thinking of the anime. As such the discussions I've seen have used the anime and not the manga. As for Akira, see my original comment about the creator of Superman.

Part 2
Yes I like Goku, but just the kid version of him. I prefer the original Dragon Ball over Z. And my point with that is that there's nth amount of variation of Superman that it's hard to pick one as the source to use. You kinda have to pick one. So no mistake, just DC being even more convoluted then the Dragon Ball series.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Part 1
There is when it deviates from the original material. They're two separate things. For the movies, yes but they do fit. They're two different beasts. And should be treated as such. If you follow the manga great, it's been my experience with the small amount I've read they tend to be better. Which makes sense as it follows the book greater then movie formula. And most people when they compare Goku vs Superman are thinking of the anime. As such the discussions I've seen have used the anime and not the manga. As for Akira, see my original comment about the creator of Superman.

I'll delighted to know how each movie perfectly fits into the timelime without setting contractions into the canon story then.

It's not "productive" to use filler and non-canon for argument because it's not how the creator meant it to be....things like Kaioken x10 and Super Saiyan or a Genkidama while in Super Saiyan

I know you said this as an speculation but I remember you saying that Goku could use Super Saiyan 3 and Kaioken x20 as an argument. SS3 and Kaioken both take heavy toll on him. You can't use speculations on arguments.

Let's count the "saga" that pretty much took a 180 from the original work and just left thigns on thin air.

I get it. I don't like Superman either but facts are facts too.

Originally Posted by GameGeeks

Part 2
Yes I like Goku, but just the kid version of him. I prefer the original Dragon Ball over Z. And my point with that is that there's nth amount of variation of Superman that it's hard to pick one as the source to use. You kinda have to pick one. So no mistake, just DC being even more convoluted then the Dragon Ball series.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

I'll delighted to know how each movie perfectly fits into the timelime without setting contractions into the canon story then.

It's not "productive" to use filler and non-canon for argument because it's not how the creator meant it to be....things like Kaioken x10 and Super Saiyan or a Genkidama while in Super Saiyan

I know you said this as an speculation but I remember you saying that Goku could use Super Saiyan 3 and Kaioken x20 as an argument. SS3 and Kaioken both take heavy toll on him. You can't use speculations on arguments.

Let's count the "saga" that pretty much took a 180 from the original work and just left thigns on thin air. As for kaioken, I believe I also mentioned having the fight take place in the Spirit Realm. Where SS3 does not take a tole due to the massive amount of spirit energy. So Using kaioken there would be the only thing to take it's tole.

I get it. I don't like Superman either but facts are facts too.

For the most part, mostly any Superman can beat Goku though.

Then lets toss out any comic that Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster didn't work on. Back then Superman wasn't as strong as he is now.

Re: Naruto vs Goku

Originally Posted by Yoko Littner

Sounds about right. I'm no superman fan so I'll take your word for what is canon in the Superman world.

Yeah, that canon argument doesn't work with comics given how many times they rebooted the universe, split said universe and the constant changing of writers and his powers in general. So comparisons are impossible. And not a fan of Superman either. Prefer Batman. But I already know who'd win that.