Again I am impressed by the fact about a third of the people with located origins are continental despite the enormous bias towards the isles in numbers tested. As with L21XDF13 I think that is the real story here. It seems to me per head tested that L21XDF13 and DF13** is far more common per head tested on the continent than in the isles. I also find it interesting that on the continent DF13** is more eastern in centre of gravity than L21xDF13 which kind of feels French. That could represent echos of the original expansion of L21XDF13 to DF13** to etc. L21XDF13 seems (given the huge sample) incredibly rare in the Celtic fringe of the isles while DF13** seems to represent the stage when the L21 entered the pre-Roman population of the isles first. I would tend to interpret this as L21XDF13 expanding first in France with the DF13 mutation happening somewhere in France but expanding both east into Germany and north into the isles pre-Germanic population. As for subclades of DF13 I dont think we have the data to be certain about whether they were born in the isles or the continent. A lot of them seem more likely to be the isles but I wouldnt rule out one or two being continental in origin.

I am a person on the list above, that is , tested at 111markers and DF13 positive (big six negative). My Geno2 test is complete and I am putting it in the mail tomorrow.I wonder if results will be categorized or added on to the existing spreadsheets at the yahoo L21 groups? I guess my question is do the yahoo L21 groups have a plan of whatwill be done with Geno 2 reports?

I am a person on the list above, that is , tested at 111markers and DF13 positive (big six negative). My Geno2 test is complete and I am putting it in the mail tomorrow.I wonder if results will be categorized or added on to the existing spreadsheets at the yahoo L21 groups? I guess my question is do the yahoo L21 groups have a plan of whatwill be done with Geno 2 reports?

Brunetmj, I keep a list of all the L21 confirmed and suspected (if they are 67 STRs) haplotypes I can. What generally happens is Alex W, Mark J, Steve C, Robert C and others take that data and create various analyses and charts/diagrams with it. That's as intended. We want more people looking at the data and trying to sort it out.

If you are in the L21 plus project I will get your updates as I check that frequently.

David Reynolds is doing some great work for us by tracking Geno 2.0 results. He will incorporate those into his table. Below is a post from the Yahoo group.

Quote from: David Reynolds

The Geno 2.0/WTY Summary Table was updated to include the additional folks who have indicated they have a Geno 2.0 test pending. 36 L21+ people so far.

No one from the "Little Four" (L96, L144, L371, L555) have indicated they are testing yet. Of the "Big Six," there is pretty good representation, except for DF41, where there are no pending results listed at this time. There is even one DF63 kit on the list!

If you are L21+, have ordered Geno 2.0, and want to share your Y-SNP results with the user community when they are available, please send your kit number to me at geno@daver.info (geno (at) daver.info) and I will add you to the summary table.

Almost all of the SNP results in my spreadsheet are from the Y DNA SNP report screens on FTDNA public projects. I also use David's table to manually insert SNPs into my spreadsheet so if he is tracking it, I'll get it into the spreadsheet.