Mrbogey:Sock Ruh Tease: The group called "Learning is Forbidden" attacked a college? Wow, how original.

Actually, it's not that simple. Boko apparently means "non-Islamic knowledge". Pretty much anything derived or generated by non-traditional Islamic groups is sinful. Apparently the idea that the world is round is a western plot to weaken Islam. Also the water cycle is un-Islamic. Rain comes from Allah not condensation!

yerlinky: The group was founded in 2002.

You know what else was founded in 2002?!?, mere months after the Feds told the BBC to lie about WTC7's "controlled demolision" (??!?!!!)

ox45tallboy:Here in the US, most all of the recent mass shootings have been carried out by Christians

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ox45tallboy:They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us because we're over in their part of the world telling them how to run things, and bribing and cajoling to get things to work out for our advantage to the detriment of the people whose forefathers fought and died for that land.

These people hate us because we're over there telling them how to read and write. How to plant their crops. How to avoid dying at the age of 15 due to hygiene deficiencies.

ox45tallboy:There is no doubt in my mind that if the US and US-based corporations behaved in this same way to Buddhist countries, a fringe Buddhist element would arise and some Buddhist religious leaders would begin promising things in the afterlife for those who gave their lives in the holy war against the infidels.

It's a good thing England never had any invasions and colonization of Buddhist countries. None of them have been Westernized.

AngryDragon:I mean if that was the case, maybe some attention would be paid to mental health, drugs, poverty, and education.

Never mind, gun control is easier.

Ignoring the fact that the ACA is a start to getting people access to treatment to mental health and addiction issues and not completely wipe out their finances by doing so which would allow people to save for things like college for their kids as well as save the country money in the long run which could be reinvested into education and crime reduction strategies.

And that's just ONE policy. Of course if our friends in the GOP had their way none of it would happen and Obamster and his crew have had to spend an inordinate amount of time simply trying to get it through the door that they even can't get close to focusing on other issues that could help reduce poverty and street crime.

IronTom:here to help: You know what all these shootings have in common? The shooters had guns.

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lol... you didn't know I was for (reasonable) gun control? I ain't sayin' totally disarm the population. I'm against that. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea any psychopath can snag a weapon capable of wiping out a room of people in seconds without anyone even bothering to make sure he isn't the next Hitler.

ox45tallboy:Except for it's not "radical Islam" we have to worry about here; we have "citizens militia" groups here in the US trying to instill their paranoid fantasies of everyone wearing a gun and killing anyone who isn't of their particular weird interpretation of Christianity. Radio and TV shysters and charlatans are trying to get people to create their own microcosm society of like-minded individuals and demand the right to walk around everywhere brandishing a firearm.

Blaming crazy attacks on a person's religion is silly. Here in the US, most all of the recent mass shootings have been carried out by Christians, simply because statistically speaking, most people in the US were taken to Christian churches when they were kids. Crazy sometimes overrides the teachings common to all religions of "be good to one another".

While there is no doubt that most all who carry out attacks such as suicide bombings are motivated to give up their lives based on a promise of reward in the afterlife, the people who recruit these individuals and plan and finance these attacks are simply not motivated by religion. They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us because we're over in their part of the world telling them how to run things, and bribing and cajoling to get things to work out for our advantage to the detriment of the people whose forefathers fought and died for that land.

You want to stop "Islamic terrorism"? Stop farking with countries where Islam is the predominant religion. There is no doubt in my mind that if the US and US-based corporations behaved in this same way to Buddhist countries, a fringe Buddhist element would arise and some Buddhist religious leaders would begin promising things in the afterlife for those who gave their lives in the holy war against the infidels.

Blaming Islam every time there is an attack by crazy people is as silly as blaming Christianity for Eric Rudolph, who claimed he was carrying out God's work. Try this on for size: "If we banned ...

Every single statement made in this wall of text is laughably wrong. It is the absolute conviction and earnestness you seem to show that makes it scary. Nothing you wrote is right and if anyone agrees with you they are just as wrong as you are. Please dont anyone believe any of this.

catmandu:Can we have some kind of plague quickly spread over the world and take about 40-50% of the inhabitants? The Earth is in need of another cleansing.

Isn't that why the Muzzies are here?

mbillips:They're not attacking Western corporate interests. They're attacking MUSLIMS in order to attempt to subjugate them under the rule of a particularly screwy brand of Islam, as the Taliban did in Afghanistan. The western world certainly good do more to help, but this is a local fight between two philosophies: the first believes that the post-colonial Muslim world should follow the example of India, and become modern, multicultural societies, and the second believes that these countries should return to a fundamentalist sectarian Caliphate as they were in 750 AD. Western companies are HUGELY invested in places like China and India, and yet there are no worldwide insurgencies coming from those locales.

There are Muslim problems in China and India. I agree, they're not battling Western expansion, but trying to establish their own governance.

Read about the Uyghur ethnic group and the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (both Chinese) who are responsible for 100s of deaths and 1000s wounded. Thailand and Philippians, too.

here to help:IronTom: here to help: You know what all these shootings have in common? The shooters had guns.

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lol... you didn't know I was for (reasonable) gun control? I ain't sayin' totally disarm the population. I'm against that. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea any psychopath can snag a weapon capable of wiping out a room of people in seconds without anyone even bothering to make sure he isn't the next Hitler.

Interesting made up word. I'm not 100% on your point, but if I had to guess, it's that you are unfamiliar with the literal definition of casualty. This is not uncommon.

"In civilian usage the word "casualty" is properly used for a person who is killed, wounded or injured by some event, and is usually used to describe multiple deaths and injuries due to violent incidents or disasters. Casualties is sometimes loosely used or (mis)understood to mean fatalities, but non-fatal injuries are also casualties. "

Nemo's Brother:dr_blasto: WhyteRaven74: Brick-House: And no I do not believe this would solve all the worlds problems, just 80 to 90 percent of them.

then you know very little about the worlds problems.

Islam: worse than poverty and disease and all but 20% of the world's problems. Brick-House is clearly on the knowledge train!

Much of the poverty stems from Islamists controlling governments.

It was no coincidence that Communist and Muslim countries that do not 1) have a shiat-ton of oil 2) start playing ball with the West are bankrupt.

That's not really true. Most of the countries overrun with Islamist theocratic governments were poor before that. Even the ones with oil and playing ball with the West; those theocratic governments were a direct result of mistreatment of the poor classes and were either used to control them or were just the poor people finding something to look to outside of their own abject poverty.

Playing ball with the West hasn't worked out well for almost anybody regardless of how much oil they've got.

here to help:IronTom: here to help: You know what all these shootings have in common? The shooters had guns.

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lol... you didn't know I was for (reasonable) gun control? I ain't sayin' totally disarm the population. I'm against that. I just don't feel comfortable with the idea any psychopath can snag a weapon capable of wiping out a room of people in seconds without anyone even bothering to make sure he isn't the next Hitler.

The problem is the definition of what a mental issue is can change very easily at the whim of the government. So if a government were so inclined to limit citizens access to guns, it would make it all the easier.

/the next Hitler. Funny that Hitler was all for gun control

/BTW, the next Greenwald story coming out is about the American assassination program. This is not a government we can be comfortable taking our guns away

Mrbogey:Sock Ruh Tease: The group called "Learning is Forbidden" attacked a college? Wow, how original.

Actually, it's not that simple. Boko apparently means "non-Islamic knowledge". Pretty much anything derived or generated by non-traditional Islamic groups is sinful. Apparently the idea that the world is round is a western plot to weaken Islam. Also the water cycle is un-Islamic. Rain comes from Allah not condensation!

"In a 2009 BBC interview, Mohammed Yusuf, then leader of the group, stated his belief that the concept of a spherical Earth is contrary to Islamic teaching and should be rejected, along with Darwinian evolution and the concept of rain originating from water evaporated by the sun."

Interesting made up word. I'm not 100% on your point, but if I had to guess, it's that you are unfamiliar with the literal definition of casualty. This is not uncommon.

"In civilian usage the word "casualty" is properly used for a person who is killed, wounded or injured by some event, and is usually used to describe multiple deaths and injuries due to violent incidents or disasters. Casualties is sometimes loosely used or (mis)understood to mean fatalities, but non-fatal injuries are also casualties. "

- Wikipedia

As I casually read this, from my couch, I seriously decided to get up and walk to my kitchen.

With a basis in § 31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and § 9 of the Fuhrer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1928 (Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1331 ) are the following ordered:

§ 1

Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring. Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.

§ 2

Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.

§ 3

The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in § 1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.

§ 4

Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of § 1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.

§ 5

For the implementation if this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.

§ 6

This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.

Mrbogey:These people hate us because we're over there telling them how to read and write. How to plant their crops. How to avoid dying at the age of 15 due to hygiene deficiencies.

How to use bigger and better guns to kill each other. And hey, here's some guns for you to use! And here's some chemical weapons!

Here's a brief rundown on the history of the mujahideen in Afghanistan, and the support provided to them by Americans. After Russia left, we stopped providing support, and then there was nothing but a war-torn country used for a proxy war between the US and the Soviets. Out of these ashes rose a deep hatred for the Americans who had fought their war on Afghani land and using Afghani troops. They chose a new name for themselves - the Taliban.

(I realize this is an oversimplification, but it's far more accurate than "they hate us for our freedoms")

The US does lots of good in the world. A LOT of good. We help tons of people in all kinds of different countries with food and disease prevention. But we also do a lot of things we should be ashamed of. The way we treated Afghanistan in the 1980's is one of these things, and I firmly believe that the most accurate statement ever uttered about 9/11 was made by Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright - "America's chickens were comin' home to roost". (Not to say I agree with other crap he said, but that one statement was absolutely true).

Mrbogey:It's a good thing England never had any invasions and colonization of Buddhist countries. None of them have been Westernized.

Hmmm, and none of the non-Muslim countries ever had an armed uprising against them, involving terroristic attacks against civilians, did they? Oh wait...

I had a plan all put together for another thread a while back that I won't bother typing up but it avoids the whole registration issue. Basically you want to own guns go to get certified (training) and a background check then you are issued a card. Now you can buy all the guns you want. It must be renewed every two years or so by completing a simple form just to make sure you haven't been knocking off liquor stores or ended up in the RICO system. There is kind of a registration "scheme" but it is voluntary (kind of) but it'll take too long to describe but it really does go above and beyond to protect the identity of truly responsible gun owners and is more to protect them than anything

As ex-military I'm sure you understand the importance and value of proper training going a LOOOONG way to make sure people don't f*ck around with their weapons. It would have to be instituted at a federal level though so every state has the same laws and procedures.

Right to Possess FirearmsIn Kenya, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law

Prohibited Firearms and Ammunition

In Kenya, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic and semi-automatic self-loading military assault rifles of 7.62mm or 5.56mm calibre, or of any other calibre from time to time specified by the Minister, or firearms fitted with sound suppressors, or AK-47, G3 and MP5 and other similar firearms as may be specified by the Minister

walkingtall:Every single statement made in this wall of text is laughably wrong. It is the absolute conviction and earnestness you seem to show that makes it scary. Nothing you wrote is right and if anyone agrees with you they are just as wrong as you are. Please dont anyone believe any of this.

Mister Peejay:Mrbogey: Sock Ruh Tease: The group called "Learning is Forbidden" attacked a college? Wow, how original.

Actually, it's not that simple. Boko apparently means "non-Islamic knowledge". Pretty much anything derived or generated by non-traditional Islamic groups is sinful. Apparently the idea that the world is round is a western plot to weaken Islam. Also the water cycle is un-Islamic. Rain comes from Allah not condensation!

indarwinsshadow: Anyone read the wiki on the group and it's leader.

"In a 2009 BBC interview, Mohammed Yusuf, then leader of the group, stated his belief that the concept of a spherical Earth is contrary to Islamic teaching and should be rejected, along with Darwinian evolution and the concept of rain originating from water evaporated by the sun."

Holy crap, I thought Mrbogey was exaggerating.

Good thing we don't have people like that on this half of the planet.

/oh... crap.

What shape could they possibly think the world could be? Considering you can fly around the entire world in a day, I'm not sure how they can be this stupid.

uber humper:dr_blasto: uber humper: dr_blasto: uber humper: Funny that Hitler was all for gun control

Dude, nobody would argue that Hitler was all about hating on the Jews-ensuring they were disarmed was part of the process for making them lesser citizens or, rather, not even citizens.

Hitler undid the earlier gun controls over non-Jewish Germans. He was not all for gun control and probably gave zero farks about it.

That's gun control. It's necessary to subjugate a population. Probably the first step.

Meh. I'll disagree. It was just another method to isolate a specific group of people, one of many methods employed at the time. Gun control for the sake of controlling the proliferation of firearms inside their borders was not in any way part of the deal. Using it as a "OMG Hitler was pro- gun control" as some sort of anti- gun control or attempt to paint the opposition in a bad light is historically inaccurate and disingenuous at best.

dr_blasto:Meh. I'll disagree. It was just another method to isolate a specific group of people, one of many methods employed at the time. Gun control for the sake of controlling the proliferation of firearms inside their borders was not in any way part of the deal. Using it as a "OMG Hitler was pro- gun control" as some sort of anti- gun control or attempt to paint the opposition in a bad light is historically inaccurate and disingenuous at best.

uber humper:dr_blasto: Meh. I'll disagree. It was just another method to isolate a specific group of people, one of many methods employed at the time. Gun control for the sake of controlling the proliferation of firearms inside their borders was not in any way part of the deal. Using it as a "OMG Hitler was pro- gun control" as some sort of anti- gun control or attempt to paint the opposition in a bad light is historically inaccurate and disingenuous at best.

There are plenty of legitimate arguments to use. Stick to those.

it was a snarky comment in a slashy. Get your panties out of a wad.

I'm hung over and cranky. Those panties will remain in a wad until I feel better.

Even though this thread has moved on I was trying post the following but kept getting the hairy armed drunk server guy page:

I'm actually not stating my case very well today (other stuff on my mind) so I won't attempt trying to remember the details of my plan but it had quite a few of the REASONABLE gun dudes agreeing with me. Nutbags can't even agree with each other so they don't matter.

Now in regards to the Hitler comment... Hitler may have disarmed the Jews but he DIDN'T DISARM HIMSELF!!

I was saying giving a modern day Hitler an AK might be a bad idea... yanno... because he might use it to disarm others and kill the f*ck out of them... because he was fookin' cray cray.

But we're all used to gun noodlers not making any bleeding sense whatsoever so I guess it should have been expected.

dr_blasto:uber humper: dr_blasto: Meh. I'll disagree. It was just another method to isolate a specific group of people, one of many methods employed at the time. Gun control for the sake of controlling the proliferation of firearms inside their borders was not in any way part of the deal. Using it as a "OMG Hitler was pro- gun control" as some sort of anti- gun control or attempt to paint the opposition in a bad light is historically inaccurate and disingenuous at best.

There are plenty of legitimate arguments to use. Stick to those.

it was a snarky comment in a slashy. Get your panties out of a wad.

I'm hung over and cranky. Those panties will remain in a wad until I feel better.

I'm surprised these particular islamist psychopaths made the mainstream news. They generally commit mass murder of christians at least once a week for the past decade. Never seemed to bother Western media before. Their favorite is bombing christian churches. Yay Islam!! (farking nutjobs)

Oh, they've caught up and zoomed past us a long time ago. The reason it doesn't seem so is because the media is only just starting to pay attention to that area now because it has discovered those stories are ratings/click goldmines.

I had a plan all put together for another thread a while back that I won't bother typing up but it avoids the whole registration issue. Basically you want to own guns go to get certified (training) and a background check then you are issued a card. Now you can buy all the guns you want. It must be renewed every two years or so by completing a simple form just to make sure you haven't been knocking off liquor stores or ended up in the RICO system. There is kind of a registration "scheme" but it is voluntary (kind of) but it'll take too long to describe but it really does go above and beyond to protect the identity of truly responsible gun owners and is more to protect them than anything

As ex-military I'm sure you understand the importance and value of proper training going a LOOOONG way to make sure people don't f*ck around with their weapons. It would have to be instituted at a federal level though so every state has the same laws and procedures.

Oh so shocking to kill students.In 'Murica, the rightwing governments just replace factual teachings with creationism and herpaderp. It helps to keep people stupid in order to create new cannon fodder for idiotic wars for oil and religious supremacy.

ox45tallboy:Mrbogey: ox45tallboy: Here in the US, most all of the recent mass shootings have been carried out by Christians

[citation needed]

[citation provided]

[Citation rejected] It seems like the article just talks about it but doesn't actually do much to establish the religious motivations behind the bulk of American mass shootings.

How to use bigger and better guns to kill each other. And hey, here's some guns for you to use! And here's some chemical weapons!

Do you have evidence that America in Nigeria, this university in particular, was doing such?

Here's a brief rundown on the history of the mujahideen in Afghanistan, and the support provided to them by Americans. After Russia left, we stopped providing support, and then there was nothing but a war-torn country used for a proxy war between the US and the Soviets. Out of these ashes rose a deep hatred for the Americans who had fought their war on Afghani land and using Afghani troops. They chose a new name for themselves - the Taliban.

(I realize this is an oversimplification, but it's far more accurate than "they hate us for our freedoms")

Yes, it screws up how the Taliban was actually formed.

The US does lots of good in the world. A LOT of good. We help tons of people in all kinds of different countries with food and disease prevention. But we also do a lot of things we should be ashamed of. The way we treated Afghanistan in the 1980's is one of these things, and I firmly believe that the most accurate statement ever uttered about 9/11 was made by Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright - "America's chickens were comin' home to roost". (Not to say I agree with other crap he said, but that one statement was absolutely true).

Hmmm, and none of the non-Muslim countries ever had an armed uprising against them, involving terroristic attacks against civilians, did they? Oh wait...

Don't have the license/training? Anything beyond simple hunting rifles for rural residents are subject to confiscation, yes. If you screw up with even them then you get a court ordered ban from owning even those. That's how it's done in Canuckerland and most of the thug life gun crimes that happen up there are done with guns smuggled in from the US.

sheep snorter:in 'Murica, the rightwing governments just replace factual teachings with creationism and herpaderp. It helps to keep people stupid in order to create new cannon fodder for idiotic wars for oil and religious supremacy.

One of the dumbest thing I've read all year. It's so wrong, that to understand how wrong it is, I had to go back and think about what other untruths you must believe, and the total lack of critical thinking that helped you arrive there. It would take an essay just to address how truly stupid just your first sentence is.

Another example of the "Religion of Peace". Why is it that when Muslims murder other people, media outlets avoid "Islam" or "Muslims" in the headline, and instead mention their country? It's almost like the liberal media doesn't want people to realize about Islam.....oh, never mind.