And Here's The Secret Reason Apple Is Crushing Google...http://www.businessinsider.com/and-heres-the-secret-reason-apple-is-crushing-google-2012-3/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 31 Mar 2015 16:56:32 -0400Henry Blodgethttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8278ddeab8ea635a000036ZacBMon, 09 Apr 2012 01:51:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8278ddeab8ea635a000036
Absolutely agree. This article (rather, the BI article that these charts came from) is also only looking at 9 or 10% of their total workforce, and I doubt you could claim statistical significance for the differences between 1, 2 and 3%.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7e45326bb3f7203200003fAnonymouseThu, 05 Apr 2012 21:21:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7e45326bb3f7203200003f
Are you guys insane or what..the statistics for Google forms 10% and Apple forms 9% and we are concluding things from that. Does the Apple employees include Apple store employees ??
you are comparing apples and googles (oranges). Their success focus is different to pin it on hiring from SJSU and other things is like saying may be the municipal water in Cupertino is the reason for Apple's success.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7a213d6bb3f7df7200008fKimmieMon, 02 Apr 2012 17:59:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7a213d6bb3f7df7200008f
The information on this article seems a bit skewed. When looking at the source of the graphs provided on this article, it leads to another article that talks about apple's hiring of general and administrative positions and not engineering with it's primary source of information being collective data provided by linkedin. I'm not disregarding the accuracy of this article, but it is an opinion piece in the end. I advocate the fact that it places San Jose State students in a great light (it's my alma mater), but I wouldn't take what this article is portraying as the word of the industry and what google or apple primarily looks for in prospective employees.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f762b01ecad049647000008MBADaveFri, 30 Mar 2012 17:52:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f762b01ecad049647000008
SJSU. I have 2 Master's Degrees from there. I refer to my Alma Mater as: "The Street Fighting Academy of San Jose State University" due to the street tough graduates it mints, rather that the polished fluffy types that come from the Ivy League. I too have noticed that far too many people in charge of hiring at Silicon Valley tech companies are, for lack of a better word, "PhD-Happy," and won't even consider qualified people lacking this paper credential. This is usually a sign of a more endemic leadership dysfunction that spans for more than the particular technology skills being sought.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f75906069bedd623a000051Skip Bins ohalloran hillFri, 30 Mar 2012 06:52:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f75906069bedd623a000051
A family member linked me to your resource. Thnx for the information.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f74beabeab8ea6443000011JessicaThu, 29 Mar 2012 15:57:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f74beabeab8ea6443000011
I love my Android phone and I found it was very easy to teach myself how it operates. Google's Android is very intuitive. However, my iphone 4S is a great mystery and I need to contact Apple whenever it has decided to change a setting or lose a password. Apple requires several passwords to function for email, calendars, the cloud etc. It has nothing to do with being a geek. Simple user interface is the key to product usability and success.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7357d4ecad04d74e000046DanWed, 28 Mar 2012 14:26:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7357d4ecad04d74e000046
I think Apple will not crush Google & vice versa. Why is everyone always spouting this crap? There's enough pieces of pie for all in the Free Market. Yes, they'll sue each other over patents/infringements etc., but in the end the Free Market will win, and so will the consumer. Not every body likes Apple (I Don't), not every body likes Google (I Do). I hate when people say stuff like this, it's like saying "General Motors is going to crush Chrysler!" Chrysler's sales have been off the charts lately, & again not everyone will want a GM vehicle.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7286996bb3f78319000048SNX_PITue, 27 Mar 2012 23:33:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7286996bb3f78319000048
Right on ! Apple hires better talent than Google hands down ! Google hires bunch of smart folks with good GPA but they are not creative and do not have good leadership skills. Better yet, they are not able to utilize their talent workforce properly because the leaders in company are not really leaders. Look at Google's product strategy. You will have a tough time drawing a line.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7256cceab8ea4e24000049Thomas RayTue, 27 Mar 2012 20:09:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7256cceab8ea4e24000049
Uh... Looks like you made the exact points as the article above but six months earlier. Looks like someone has some explaining to do...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7231c1ecad04e94c000021franklinveauxTue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7231c1ecad04e94c000021
"HA .. wait appl TV is a success?"
They are currently selling one and a half million of them every three months. Yeah, I'd call that a success. On the other hand, the month Logitech announced they were dropping it, they had more returns than sales.
"haha what is this article ?"
This article is saying something that geeks don't understand but that everyone else does: User interface matters. Technology, of and by itself, does not create desirable products; they have to be pleasant to use, too.
Geeks tend to be arrogant. They assume that if something runs at 2.6 GHz it must be better than something that runs at 2.4 GHz and that any other consideration--design, user interface, user experience--is totally irrelevant. Many people who self-describe as geeks do not understand design, and so as a result they have contempt for design. Then, since they don't understand why design and user interface matters, they assume that people who value things like design and user interface must be brainwashed "sheep".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f721560ecad04911c000033John FuTue, 27 Mar 2012 15:30:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f721560ecad04911c000033
That's pretty weak. You can't select something already has high value and say its worth something. The point of this article is that Google doesn't or can't be bothered with finding diamonds in the rough. Everyone wants post iProducts Steve Jobs. They would not have hired pre-Apple Steve Jobs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f712eeceab8eaca07000005BubbletoesMon, 26 Mar 2012 23:07:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f712eeceab8eaca07000005
I agree 100% Google did not hire me because I was having too much fun at school and hence had average marks. ThaT was 5 years ago and I am still with an amazing company which has opened a world of oppurtunites that I def. would not have seen at G!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70f12169beddb744000067Lauren RussoMon, 26 Mar 2012 18:43:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70f12169beddb744000067
john2 - let's take a look at your response:
1. (Google doesn't have retail stores.).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70db4aeab8eaf567000009DeziMon, 26 Mar 2012 17:10:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70db4aeab8eaf567000009
Google does call students from SJSU for interviews. As the author pointed out, GPA of the applicant is a major deciding factor.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70d21c6bb3f7382d000035sMon, 26 Mar 2012 16:31:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70d21c6bb3f7382d000035
A report released in Sept 2011 stated 56% of new smartphone buyers choose Android, only 28% iPhone. Android sells more handsets worldwide.
This a very biased article. Android is NOT hard to use. It's pretty simple, I think. As I have one. And I am not a techie or whatever you call them.
Gmail is awesome - the conversation view is the best part. It's organized, so very organized. As a markerting professional I love it. It's great for keeps everything organized especially when coordinating events. When I was in business school, everyone used Gmail as opposed to the university's webmail. We would forward all our email to Gmail because it's more productive. I wish Outlook was this smart! You don't have to go looking for replies and attachments, it's all there for you.
Again, Google's Gmail and Android are not hard to use and plenty of "normal" people use them. Maybe "normal" people are just smarter. The latest Neilson report revealed smartphone sales in the U.S. are 47 percent Android and around 30 percent Apple. How is that crushing?
Wondering how I came up with those numbers? I used Google...normal people can easily find these numbers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70cd8beab8ea9a4400007bkr1t1c4lMon, 26 Mar 2012 16:11:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70cd8beab8ea9a4400007b
Henry, I think your graphs are meaningless. Your left hand axis is in whole decimal points from 0-5%You are measuring in whole percentage points. The difference between 2% and 3% looks huge but it is only 1%. So you can't draw conclusions with any kind of confidence.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70cc69ecad04c058000058anonymous cowardMon, 26 Mar 2012 16:07:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70cc69ecad04c058000058
..the incremental value that Android OS provides over IOS doesnt matter to most. What does matter is that the flatter learning curve of IOS appeals to and can be easily used by a wide demographic from pre-schoolers to the elderly.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70c0ab69bedd476800006aScott HildebrandMon, 26 Mar 2012 15:16:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70c0ab69bedd476800006a
Maybe we should consider Google a fluke... pure luck. If it wasn't for search, they wouldn't be the company they are. I don't think they have any other single product that would put them on the map larger than a small startup. Apple on the other hand is borne out of tons of persistence. Jobs was even fired, started a different company and was rehired... rose again to CEO. The simple fact that he's also responsible for NeXT Computer and Pixar in ADDITION to Apple is significant. And Apple would still be a significant company if 1/2 of their products were taken away.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70b8d669bedd235e00005cChris.SMon, 26 Mar 2012 14:43:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70b8d669bedd235e00005c
Actually, the truth in the matter is that iOS is for lazy people who don't want to bother how to use things properly. What makes Apple is the apps, not the iOS. iOS is horrible.
Android on the other hand, takes time to learn, but when you know it, you know it; it's truly simple and makes sense as well as you can do so much more with it. Notifications, while primarily a webOS revolution, was embraced by google first--in a different way than webOS--then Apple ripped google and webOS off; badly I might add.
It's the same with every new technology--think VCRs; most people had no idea how to use them, because they were lazy, now there is stuff like DVRs and TiVo which is designed with lazy people in mind--the general majority of americans.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f709a7fecad04f207000038JD HodgesMon, 26 Mar 2012 12:34:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f709a7fecad04f207000038
WE - ARE - SPARTA!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7095fa6bb3f7004700002cBrad HillMon, 26 Mar 2012 12:14:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7095fa6bb3f7004700002c
Henry, I think there's some truth here, but only partial. It's possible that Google's best industrial design work was its first: the main search page. Introduced at a time when bloated search portals were user-unfriendly, Google's speed, quality, and absolute avoidance of clutter was Apple-ish. the effect was similar to the iPod's effect -- not first to market, but quick to gain supremacy.
Not sure what your point is with Gmail, which has 65M monthly domestic UVs according to comScore, second to Yahoo Mail's 86M. Second place, sure, but hardly an also-ran.
You haven't mentioned Google Maps, which was an industry-changing product.
If I'm reading Matt's slides correctly, they don't compare Google to Apple (hiring practices). They compare Google to "similar" companies. I'd be interested in the straight Google-Apple comparison. And by the way, those slides don't tell much of a story about higher educated candidates. Google seems to hire high school graduates at the same rate as the rest of the industry. More doctorates, though.
Anyway, interesting thoughts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f709116eab8eab55500002bHmMon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f709116eab8eab55500002b
GMail and Maps in particular WOULD benefit hugely from better design, I meant to say. D'oh.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7090a96bb3f7d338000064HmMon, 26 Mar 2012 11:52:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7090a96bb3f7d338000064
While the fundamental back end of search, email, maps and browsers requires serious engineering and coding chops, to suggest that they don't require much design at all misses the fundamental difference in Apple / Google thinking. Apple would and do design the hell out of those things to make the user experience better. Google try to, but don't do such a good job because their focus is on the engineering side. GMail and Maps in particular wouldn't benefit hugely from better design.
It's a fundamental shift in thinking and priority - Google create products for themselves that get things done, rough around the edges or not, while Apple designs more polished products for end users that work more intuitively. Design is involved in both approaches, it's just to different degrees.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70895aecad046460000070HmMon, 26 Mar 2012 11:20:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70895aecad046460000070
Google, like most tech companies, put their faith and resources in the hands of engineers and think about design last. Apple puts it in the hands of designers first and works closely with the engineers to make it work. Which way is better? Take a look at Apple's profits...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7070a2eab8eac818000024VeggiedudeMon, 26 Mar 2012 09:35:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7070a2eab8eac818000024
"They seem to introduce products without any input from consumers"
Then they are taking Steve Jobs #1 advice to heart. Steve said consumers do not know what they want because how can they know what they want when nothing like it exists yet for them to compare it too - I'm paraphrasing but I'm close to the mark.
Steve Jobs said Apples success was that they were musicians, artists, biologists, etc, and yet were also damn good at computers too. That wide variety is sorely missing at Google.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70704feab8ea57120000a6ChahkMon, 26 Mar 2012 09:34:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70704feab8ea57120000a6
Google "forcing" people to use conversation view? Good one. I guess people wanting "good old email" are the reason Microsoft baked conversation view into 2 past Outlook versions.
But honestly, do you want to know the REAL reason Google TV has not been successful? It can all be summed up in one word: Content. If the Big Media Mafia didn't stand in the way by blocking content on GTV units, Revue would not be in a bargain bin today. Google has a good platform on their hands. It can use some (ok, lots of) polish, but you cannot sit there and tell me with a straight face that Google TV interface is more complicated than the gridlines of Cable Box menus.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70559f69bedde370000075Johnny CMon, 26 Mar 2012 07:40:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70559f69bedde370000075
This article is a bit of a reach......(being kind).......considering the educational info that you found.via LNKD. There is no takeaway here...
Seriously reads like a Demand Media / content farm generated story. A whole-bunch-o-nuthin'.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7045986bb3f7c23200002dWandspiegelMon, 26 Mar 2012 06:31:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7045986bb3f7c23200002d
That's a neat use of LinkedIn data - good find. Not sure that it's such a big secret that Apple beat Google in the UX department, tho...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f704497eab8ea1c3c000055icworkshopMon, 26 Mar 2012 06:27:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f704497eab8ea1c3c000055
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Agree, Google needs to hype down an hire some hippies...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7035546bb3f79f04000085modelportfolio2003Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:22:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7035546bb3f79f04000085
Nonsense. Android 4.0 is not "tolerated by the many". It is currently on 2-3% of Android handsets, but according to DigiTimes, that will change rapidly in Q2 2012 as many new handsets will launch with Android 4.0. Suggest you get your facts right before attempting to quote from Shakespeare.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f703435eab8eabb0e00005bGoogle SnobMon, 26 Mar 2012 05:17:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f703435eab8eabb0e00005b
Google is a one-hit wonder with a snobbish attitude who are stuck in an elitist engineering mindset, which was tolerated because of their incredible search engine ... but that attitude won't get far with customers ...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f702f22eab8ead90e00001fjosMon, 26 Mar 2012 04:56:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f702f22eab8ead90e00001f
I think the question should be: Is Apple crushing Google? I haven't seen a reason for that. But companies work on their own way. I prefer the Google way, so for me, Google is crushing Apple. For an Apple lover, it is the other way around. BS article.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7024a56bb3f79204000007thebodygdMon, 26 Mar 2012 04:11:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7024a56bb3f79204000007
Diversifying to 100 "average" products will get to nowhere and bankruptcy (for lack of resources and focus). Instead, just focus one or two killer products such as IPhone, IPad that are second to none and the consumers will get inline at every new release!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70173ceab8eae870000028Mike sim.Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:14:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f70173ceab8eae870000028
Though an interesting article, I take issue on two points: I can't help but wonder if you are a biased / iFanBoy. I think googles success has been highly underestimated. They are the 2nd highest selling phone OS , having surpassed apple on several quarters on different criteria The reason apple wants to crush google, is that bill gates thinks google stole his OS.... Kinda like Jobs stole his first GUI from Xerox. In the end they're both doing just fine. Next time pick windows, you could write volumes of Windows phone 7http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7016ab6bb3f77f59000076GraemecrackerzMon, 26 Mar 2012 03:11:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f7016ab6bb3f77f59000076
The current Googleplex is located at the same location as another company that placed more value on GPA/Top brand schools, Silicon Graphics Inc/SGI. They were high flyers at one time, and got their lunch eaten for them by the "WIntel" consortium. Products using Windows and Intel based hardware ended up being able to do 80% of what SGI boxes could do, at 25% of the price, without the proprietary OS and software. Software developers didn't bite at SGI's "superior box" technology, and stopped porting their software to IRIX, making them irrelevent in the marketplace. SGI is gone, except in name, now used by the former Rackable Systems in Fremont, CA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6ff3036bb3f7622300004dCarmen BrodeurMon, 26 Mar 2012 00:39:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6ff3036bb3f7622300004d
As one of the "normal" humans that are not engineer wizards, I am glad apple has a much more balanced approach to design. if your customers can't figure it out, they won't buy another. I thought they would have taught that at Stanford...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fe6166bb3f7230d00005fJordan J. CaronSun, 25 Mar 2012 23:44:22 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fe6166bb3f7230d00005f
Bang on!
It's amazing that in 2012 companies don't invest more time into product testing. Just because you think it's great and know how to work it, doesn't mean the average person will.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fdc0869bedd476c000067anonymous cowardSun, 25 Mar 2012 23:01:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fdc0869bedd476c000067
Android 4.0 is a mess of a UI beloved by the few while tolerated by many mainly due to plethora of hardware offerings.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fd6f76bb3f7437d00000aHoly Crap HenrySun, 25 Mar 2012 22:39:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fd6f76bb3f7437d00000a
Didn't think we'd ever agree on something.
Wow.
Spot on.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fc9b7eab8eaab52000058Android 7.0 Apple TartSun, 25 Mar 2012 21:43:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fc9b7eab8eaab52000058
@modelportfolio2003, you said exactly what I was thinking. Henry is not being very fair with the comparisons he is making. Design simply does not play an important role in many of Google's main markets such as search engine, maps, e-mail, and browser. To develop a search engine, there is very little design involved unlike hardware. Lest we forget, prior to the Motorola acquisition, hardware isn't Google's bread-and-butter.
To say that Google's products are not loved by the masses is pure folly. Henry even used G-mail as an example, which is funny because G-mail is the number one e-mail in the U.S. by market share. If we are going to make an Apples to Apples comparison, please compare iOS to Android. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Apple's iOS team is full of engineers from top engineering schools just like Google's Android team. Apple's SVP of iOS software is actually a Stanford graduate of Computer Science, not unlike the background of the Googler Henry described as a brilliant student.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fc7e9eab8eaa2520000abby0Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:35:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fc7e9eab8eaa2520000ab
After reading the article...hoping something new would be there... I saw "Ads by Google" before comments....and I fell from my chair. LMAO :)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fb482eab8ea2630000035RattyUKSun, 25 Mar 2012 20:12:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fb482eab8ea2630000035
Hmmm. Google would so love to have had Jobs up at the top. It's a real shame they had to do with blotting paper Jobs (Schmidt) to run things.
" How many days do you think he would have lasted there?"
A damn sight longer that Schmidt... Save that Jobs had a terminal illness. But if he hadn't then Google wouldn't have had a fifth columnist inside Apple.
"he will start spending Google's treasure and acquiring companies that have the right mix of personalities."
It's a shame that they don't have as much cash on hand as the company Jobs went back to work for?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fb22c6bb3f7623d000005I loved the Apple CubeSun, 25 Mar 2012 20:02:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fb22c6bb3f7623d000005
Jobs wouldn't have been hired the conventional way for an engineering position, but Brin and Page did recognize the brilliance of Jobs.
<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-and-sergey-wanted-steve-jobs-to-be-googles-first-ceo-2010-10" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-and-sergey-wanted-steve-jobs-to-be-googles-first-ceo-2010-10</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fad036bb3f77215000066Dan FrommerSun, 25 Mar 2012 19:40:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6fad036bb3f77215000066
Interesting, then, how Google just spent millions to acq-hire Kevin Rose, a UNLV dropout. Just guessing they didn't ask for his college transcript before closing that deal?
<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinrose" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinrose</a>
<a href="http://cosmoreport.com/before-and-after-past-future-of-foursquare-twitter-and-digg-founders/" target="_blank">http://cosmoreport.com/before-and-after-past-future-of-foursquare-twitter-and-digg-founders/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6faaff6bb3f7741500004aAnonSun, 25 Mar 2012 19:32:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6faaff6bb3f7741500004a
Actually, the opposite is true. The simplicity, ease of use, and completeness of Apple's software is where they have the significant advantage. What is the iPhone or iPad without iOS? True, Apple's hardware incorporates genius industrial design, but their software is the difference maker. It is the design of the software that allows the hardware to play a significantly smaller role than in competing devices. The iPhone was a revolutionary product because of the software than ran it, not because it was a touch screen phone.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9ccceab8eac97b000017just.a.guySun, 25 Mar 2012 18:31:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9ccceab8eac97b000017
It's a wholly engineering-driven culture. Product Managers and "Marketing" people at Google have little input into actual product definition, etc. It's more like "hey here's a cool widget I hacked in my 20% time can we turn it into a product? Sure? Ok great ... [time passes and loads of money are spent] OK it's done now. Go launch it and sell it, business people!"
So you see a lot of failed products amid the successful ones. Judging by the revenue contribution of all their various iniatives (it is still 95% or 98% adwords and adsense), the approach isn't actually working.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9be769bedd3f72000017just.a.guySun, 25 Mar 2012 18:27:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9be769bedd3f72000017
I agree with Henry's overall thesis but you point out a weakness in the comparison.
For example, Apple employs thousands of people in Austin, Texas in technical support jobs. That's a job with a lower skill bar than hard core engineering and so they have no trouble sourcing all the talent locally from University of Texas.
That's why it shows up so high on Apple's list, not because Apple is finding diamonds in the rough for high-impact positions at universities that Google is overlooking. Besides, how many tech support or retail employees does Google have? hmmm very few and zero.
I agree that Google doesn't place enough value on some skill sets that would really help their company... I just don't think this is the data that proves it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9b626bb3f75b0f00000cMultiMillionaireRoadSun, 25 Mar 2012 18:25:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9b626bb3f75b0f00000c
I think we'll soon find that Google is on the rise. They are stockpiling huge amounts of cash like Apple but unlike Apple are diversifying their R&D into all sorts of product. I'm sorry Apple lovers but this decade will see the rise of Google!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9320ecad048044000001V. KSun, 25 Mar 2012 17:50:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f9320ecad048044000001
This in summary correlates market focus and tier of an university. Lower the tier higher the focus and higher the tier, higher the geek focus. Talent hits the target that no one else can hit. Genius hits the target no one can see - said a European philosopher. In that sense, both organizations are led by geniuses. It takes people of diverse skills/attitudes/acumen to run an organization. The mix is also different based on "core competencies" needed to succeed. Competitive advantages of each company is based on competencies tied to technology,business model, operational issues, market perception, channel issues and more. It is quite ironic that as world is becoming more and more complex, people like the author seems to simplify issues that makes things intelligible but perhaps not right...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f91b169bedd5b46000068Google and Apple AdmirerSun, 25 Mar 2012 17:44:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f91b169bedd5b46000068
College degree does not equal common sense and being able to perceive how consumers - regular folk - want and need to use technology. What Google needs are more product testers as products are being developed. They seem to introduce products without any input from consumers. Huh? Not a good going-forward business model.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f8c046bb3f7d16a000022john2Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:20:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f8c046bb3f7d16a000022
Umm,,,
are these grads of San Jose State working in product development... or are they working in the Apple retail stores? (Google doesn't have retail stores.).
Because of the retail stores - Apple probably has alot of HS grads (no college), whereas, I assume nearly EVERYONE at Google has a college degree.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f82e769beddda45000018John TillmanSun, 25 Mar 2012 16:41:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f82e769beddda45000018
I agree on one thing, Google does look at schools you've attended rather than what kind of work have you performed. I was offered a chance to interview at Apple for a position that was very similar to a position open at Google but I never even received the interview call from Google. Apple, on the other hand did extend an offer that I found not a fit. But, I was amazed by the people who interviewed at Apple - none of them were from Stanford or MIT etc. Most of them were from non-Ivy league schools and they were all super smart and down to earth.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f80f969beddd945000002PhillSun, 25 Mar 2012 16:32:57 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f80f969beddd945000002
I am really impressed about how do you know every SECRET in the world and all these secrets says Google is crap and Apple is the only thing that matters besides you use GMail, Google Search, Google Maps, Youtube... everyday.
Henry Blodget, the king of the FUD!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f80b7ecad04e423000003Steve Jobs GhostSun, 25 Mar 2012 16:31:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f80b7ecad04e423000003
Stop using my picture!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f7e886bb3f7015e000019NotJaySun, 25 Mar 2012 16:22:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f7e886bb3f7015e000019
Blah blah....this article is all bs. The reason Google is getting their arse handed to them
by Apple is because Google doesn't stand for anything. Right or not, Apple stands for "changing
the world" . Google doesn't stand for squat. They have a great search engine and a lot of smart
people working there, but that is about it. Apple connects with a core group of customers that
end up being advocates for their products.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f7e6beab8ea433b00005cnwcynicSun, 25 Mar 2012 16:22:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f7e6beab8ea433b00005c
what makes a company successful are people who are keenly in tune with what makes a product desired by the masses and can create a strong relationship with your customers. being highly educated does not necessarily equate to business success.
No doubt, there is a need for engineers in Google's business model, but they should allow more commoner's to manage product development. UX (user experience) is key to the success of their consumer products, yet it seems they have been managed by the "geekdom" that find highly technical solutions cool, yet alienate the commoner.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f79ff6bb3f7064a0000b9RyanSun, 25 Mar 2012 16:03:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f79ff6bb3f7064a0000b9
@Henry, the problem with a direct comparison between workforces is that there are many thousands of employees in Apple's retail division with no equivalent at Google. According to their Q1FY12 10Q, the retail segment employed 41,800 FTE, or about 100 per store.
If you compare apples to apples (no pun intended), such as Bay Area engineers across Facebook, Apple, and Google, you'll find largely homogenous educational backgrounds.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f78e169bedd192f000030modelportfolio2003Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:58:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f78e169bedd192f000030
Henry, you often write some great articles but this is not one of them.
Ok, so Google may hire a few less graduates from San Jose? Big deal Trying to write a factual blog about the differences between successful products at Apple and Google based on a history of hiring more engineers than designers at entry level is a gross generalization. Google has acquired many designer types with the companies they acquire. M Duarte is an excellent designer and the UI for example on Android 4.0 is outstanding for example. He was not a student hire but a mid career hire. I only use him as an example.
Moreover, a successful product for an ad based software tech company (Google) is very different to that of a hardware company(Apple) that also writes software. Making AdWords and AdSense great products has earned Google a fortune. These successful products were launched by engineers, not product designers. You cite Gmail but why not cite GMaps? A successful product (think of the extra time spent on Google sites due to it) thought out by an engineer. Until the Motorola acquisition, you could not consider Google a hardware company.How successful is iAd? Is it less successful than AdMob because Apple has more San Jose grads?
If I did not know you were a distinguished thinker on many subjects, I would simply write off this article as link-bait. But I know you are capable of much more.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f77576bb3f7194400008eMark out WestSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:51:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f77576bb3f7194400008e
Oh Jerry Yang, you're just such a hater!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f76ca69bedde21d000078Gary AndersonSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:49:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f76ca69bedde21d000078
Go Spartans. I don't mean Michigan State.
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Not a football power, but an Apple Inc power. Go figure!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f72136bb3f7123c000040meSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:29:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f72136bb3f7123c000040
Not only they don't get it; they are too arrogant to understand they don't get it.
How could that be? We are all "smart" people from top universities!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6f4a6bb3f7093c000059Jobs is Googles GodSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:17:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6f4a6bb3f7093c000059
They just don't get it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6c4aecad04fa7d000009brandSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:04:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6c4aecad04fa7d000009
I don't think I'd frame Google vs. Apple as Engineering vs. Marketing. Google seems to have a culture of nerds in the garage, like a bunch of Wozniaks. Apple has plenty of great engineers, but they seem to cross-train their techs in user interface and human factors design. Speaking as an engineer, it would seem that Apple engineers are better rounded.
GPA is a loaded statistic. I read a great article a while ago on affirmative action and law schools. The black students admitted with lower GPAs had (statistically) identical careers to other lawyers. There was a bar to jump (har har), but the cut line was much lower than simply the top N% of students by GPA. At some point in engineering, your ability to function on a team, analyze real world problems and devise elegant solutions will far outstrip the value of a few extra IQ points (or GPA points). In my experience, that cut line is probably 3.0 in core classes, or maybe 3.3. The 4.0 kids tend to be inflexible perfectionists who always need to be right. Not exactly desirable Ina profession that's a team sport.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6bb5ecad04fc77000030NateSun, 25 Mar 2012 15:02:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6bb5ecad04fc77000030
Not more like Apple necessarily, more consumer- friendly.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6a6eeab8ea452100007fRattyUKSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:56:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6a6eeab8ea452100007f
Yeah, shame that was all Apple ever did... Oh, wait.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6893ecad04f575000023NateSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:48:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6893ecad04f575000023
Good article. It's not like Google should completely copy Apple though. Say we could put the way Google designs for tech geeks into a number. Google is 100, Apple is 0. Google doesn't have to go down to 25 to be more like Apple. Just down to 75. Take those things into consideration is all.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6513eab8eae91e00001fHugh AkstonSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:33:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f6513eab8eae91e00001f
This is a test, this is a test...
You will now have hundreds of Apple advertisements masked as articles for profit.
This is only a test.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f64f2ecad04006a000070ladedadedaSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:33:22 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f64f2ecad04006a000070
Not necessarily. Google gave us "free search results" and, thus, "people lined up." Before that, libraries used to pay big bucks for that information and still do. Apple gave us the "unlimited data plan" via AT&T and iPhone. IMO, Google didn't deliver "something cheaper" with "google TV" to "make money on something else." Apple TV might have more staying power since they'll make money by selling music, apps, "in app upgrades," etc... To get things right, Apple needed good engineers. Moreover, at the company I work at, the marketing folks tend to be engineers with a different background.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f64bd69beddf97e000034ValentinSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:32:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f64bd69beddf97e000034
be carefull, iSheeps will not understand you :Dhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f63a5ecad041a64000038anonymous cowardSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:27:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f63a5ecad041a64000038
Problem is that by striving to hire the smartest people and highest academic achievers, Google has fostered an environment where many of its employees are constantly trying to prove their worth not to mention how smart they are relative to their colleagues. This type of culture places little if any emphasis on developing the best product for the masses but more on trying to impress the few with engineering/technological prowess.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f62876bb3f7f025000053PkSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:23:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f62876bb3f7f025000053
Article is spot on, google suffers from the desire to only recruit A students from top colleges for all positions. This is no more evident then in sales, having a 4.0 from an ivy is irrelevant they be looking for "C students with A+ personalities", media sales boils down to relationships in the end the skills for this are not taught in collegehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f62216bb3f7ed2500004aTheWardenSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:21:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f62216bb3f7ed2500004a
graduating from a top university doesn't equate to being able to create things people want or even relate to normal people. Those who are super smart usually CAN'T relate to normal people. While Steve Jobs was a royal Ahole and did think he was smarter than other people, he was was fortunate to grow up being exposed to things that geeks and nerds normally don't. He saw the world and other facets of life that many smart people don't because they think it's beneath them.
Btw, those that have screwed up our economy. Those in Wall St and in Congress were some of the smartest people out there and went to top tier universities. Smart people have a history of effing things up big time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5f62ecad04f5590000d8Tyler GaulSun, 25 Mar 2012 14:09:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5f62ecad04f5590000d8
This is totallly right and if you want proof look no further than this interview with Google product engineers: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5RZOU6vK4Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5RZOU6vK4Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player</a>
Imagine explaining "human desire" to those people... That said, I argue that Google, though it is currently squandering its advantage because, as you say, they don't make products for humans, they could still pull around and would easily have a huge upper hand over Apple and Facebook. I spell this out in full here: <a href="http://tylergaul.tumblr.com/post/15044198620/tech-horoscopes-2012" target="_blank">http://tylergaul.tumblr.com/post/15044198620/tech-horoscopes-2012</a>
Also check out the Google Graveyard of products if you haven't already: <a href="http://www.wordstream.com/articles/google-failures-google-flops" target="_blank">http://www.wordstream.com/articles/google-failures-google-flops</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5bb7ecad040d64000011DMSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:53:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5bb7ecad040d64000011
I use exactly 0 (zero) google products. Google can self congratulate themselves with all the stanford and mit's that they can get their hands on. Being in Silicon Valley and technologist I've never had at any point in time needed any of google products. And yes that includes Internet search (I use Yahoo! search). I'm quite glad google is not make a dime off of me.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5948ecad04f051000065freddy beeSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:43:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5948ecad04f051000065
the amount of design associated with Ping and iAd's are the reason for their enormous success. Great job Steve Jobs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f59026bb3f71420000014wei-min chuSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:42:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f59026bb3f71420000014
henry is right-on! that conversation view on Gmail was a deal-breaker, like reverse-polish calculators. finally they made chrono-view available.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5758ecad040c4c0000bcDeDe_FakeSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:35:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5758ecad040c4c0000bc
Good tech article with a unique perspective (for a change). Silicon valley (and most of the tech industry) is obsessed with raw displays of intelligence, which, unbeknownst to them, does not translate into business success.
Also it should be noted Apple actually makes hardware (OK, OK, it's actually made in China by a contractor, but it's designed within Apple). If you have a successful, difficult to duplicate hardware product, it will almost always be a better business model than software (e.g. Google). Anyone can buy a computer and write code. Fewer can actually design and make physical devices. But this doesn't stop Silicon Valley from focusing mostly on silly websites, apps, etc..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f56d069bedde961000027Henry's SecretSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:33:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f56d069bedde961000027
Trayvon Martin was in a gang! Here are the Trayvon Martin gang photos Business Insider doesn't want you to see! Look at that thug flashing gang symbols on Facebook!
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/7gbnwnq" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/7gbnwnq</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f55f8eab8eab60400001fHow long would have Steve Jobs lasted at Google? Hours?Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:29:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f55f8eab8eab60400001f
"Steve Jobs's genius, in other words, was a sort of genius that Google places little or no value on."
Let's suppose that due to a temporary misalignment in the space-time continuum, S.Jobs had been hired at Google. How many days do you think he would have lasted there?
Google's problem is that it's so full of itself it has become colorblind to 350 degrees of what makes companies successful. It only sees the 10 degrees that you mention. That's the reason they end up copying instead of inventing; re-inventing what they copy and claim the reinvention as innovation. Everybody does some copying to some extent but at Google, that's their creative paradigm.
Here's my bet.
L.Page is going to grow more frustrated this year and realizing that school grades won't get him anywhere near where he wants to be, he will start spending Google's treasure and acquiring companies that have the right mix of personalities. These companies will give Google the spark of innovation necessary to match the leaders they wants to outdo, mostly Apple, Facebook and Microsoft.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5127ecad04fa47000070antoniowandSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:08:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f5127ecad04fa47000070
Interesting perspective. A lot of smart people are incapable of putting together vertically complete ecosystems because of (intellectual/NIH) biases. Apple has the better ecosystem. One advantage of the Droid model is that someone or group from the outside could develop a better ecosystem. That's not the case with Apple's closed system. <a href="http://bit.ly/zhYG04" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/zhYG04</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f506b69beddd650000069joeinmiamiSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:05:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f506b69beddd650000069
Google's engineers are under-sexed and dropping a little acid might turn things around for Google.
Shares are -.51% YTD in a strong market.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4fe269bedd19470000b5RattyUKSun, 25 Mar 2012 13:03:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4fe269bedd19470000b5
AppleTV was a damn sight bigger success than the GoogleTV effort.
How much did Logitech lose on it? 100 million bucks? Their boss resigned because of it. This is what happens if you put your trust in geeks as opposed to delivering a product that works. Google's main issue is that they are delivering solutions for which there is no problem.
We've had years of people trying to integrate the internet with TV. And it doesn't work. People want to watch TV / Movies etc and looks stuff up on their laptop / tablet. It works better that way and doesn't get in the way.
But the geeks don't see this. They just keep chucking stuff at a box to see if anything will stick. Well it didn't stick for WebTV and hundreds of other failed attempts at the same product. But that didn't stop Google trying to put together an alliance to try to bring it to the people... again.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4e9e6bb3f71910000007GeorgeSun, 25 Mar 2012 12:58:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4e9e6bb3f71910000007
Good article. So my 3.2 is good enough to work for Apple and not Google! Might have to jump over to the iPhone if the grass is greener there. Jokes aside, they are both great. Competition brings creates better products.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4dc1ecad04104c000006jdam!Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:54:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4dc1ecad04104c000006
Apple's products are great because they are simple and functional.
Google won the search war because www.google.com's home page is simple and functional.
the opposition reason why yahoo.com; msn.com, aol.com failedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4cf3eab8eac06d000095jdam!Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:50:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4cf3eab8eac06d000095
This Article is Right ON!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4ac46bb3f7a40b000005NeroSun, 25 Mar 2012 12:41:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4ac46bb3f7a40b000005
I like this article. It got to the point.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f49dceab8eae660000078kilroySun, 25 Mar 2012 12:37:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f49dceab8eae660000078
Henry, that troll is posting bit.ly type disguised URLs to white supremacist sites in BI comments today. There is one on this post:
<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/report-iran-tried-to-bomb-an-israeli-ship-as-it-passed-through-the-suez-canal-2012-3" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/report-iran-tried-to-bomb-an-israeli-ship-as-it-passed-through-the-suez-canal-2012-3</a>
Probably many other BI posts today, too.
Sad.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4925eab8eac06d000031Henry Works For The Obama CampaignSun, 25 Mar 2012 12:34:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f4925eab8eac06d000031
Why won't Business Insider mention Trauon's criminal record?
Why won't they mention Trayon was not a "child" he was a 6 foot 3 football player who towered over George?
Why won't they mention Trayon punched George from behind?
Why won't they mention Treyon walked into a gated community nowhere near the 7-11 his dad claimed he went to?
I guess those FACTS don't help Obama inflame his voters.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f48ed69bedd5f380000a4anonSun, 25 Mar 2012 12:33:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f48ed69bedd5f380000a4
HA .. wait appl TV is a success? is a hoard of engineers from san jose st goign to program search algorithms better than someone else? gmail is bad? haha what is this article ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f47c36bb3f77776000086kilroySun, 25 Mar 2012 12:28:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f6f47c36bb3f77776000086
I love Google TV and I use it more than any other piece of technology that I own.
Non geeks have no patience with the keyboard, though.