We dont know. Now why not get angry about Apple has leapfrogged Android on an Android forum. That leaves the sane people here , people who watch the release of operating systems they actually own, to discuss the actual release v

They are scratching at the walls. When you have the better implementation the only play they have is who had it first.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"

Well I think the reason this was underwhelming for a lot of people is because it seems a good chuck of the big hitters in this keynote were fixing deficiencies.

Personally I really love what saw. No I didn't see alot of surprises, but I considered Android as being fairly equal but based on your own usage most people certainly should prefer one over the other.

Well, this put alot of Android advantages to bed IMO. Even apple just fixing things and adding some already available features is a big deal.

I think a bigger screen is the last big thing to address, but I do think these improvements make iOS and the iPhone #1 again for the mass majority.

Have to admit though, I'm disappointed in the waiting, thats not typical of apple for existing product updates. Should have been in July with Lion IYAM.

I really hope that some additional features come on board, otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense that they are making everyone wait for 3 more months. Facebook integration would have been 1000x more useful than twitter for me, but thats a personal complaint.

All the little things will really add up in this update. The greatly enhanced mail, camera and other apps are some of the things on my wish list. The funny thing here is that I really don't care about notifications that seem to have taken over this thread, it really isn't important how they are done for me as long as I get the message.

I'm actually a bit disappointed that no new hardware has been announced yet, grooving on the idea of a 15" AIR. Also the tumors about new Time Capsules was enticing. I have to wonder if we will have an announcement later this month.

Yeah, the "home-server" -- maybe better called called iCloud-Local -- is still a need to be filled.

It could have been announced here -- but maybe better at the end of the month -- or sometime before the FCPX announcement in July.

The fact that Apple is very much into shuffling around only delta data makes me believe that this concept will be a major part of media management for Pro apps.

"Swift generally gets you to the right way much quicker." - auxio -

"The perfect [birth]day -- A little playtime, a good poop, and a long nap." - Tomato Greeting Cards -

Google is the least dangerous to Apple in terms of actually going to sue. Since Android itself is under the GNU license, Google won't really have a case unless Apple specifically steals code or specific functions from proprietary apps.

If I was Apple I would be checking the crowd for HTC and Samsung personnel, Which CAN sue on the base of their OEM skins which are not by default bare Android.

Are you kidding me? Because something is licensed under GNU GPL doesn't mean it doesn't have trademarks, copyrights, etc.

That's so much stuff that I have a feeling this was Jobs last time as ring master and his greatest Show on Earth.

Sadly, you may be right...

The MR feed said that Steve didn't look good -- just tired.

There are a few missing bits -- but the way we interact with content, and each other and our devices was redefined today... Likely, that renaissance will outlast my generation -- but empower generations to come.

What an inspiring example Steve Jobs has presented!

"Swift generally gets you to the right way much quicker." - auxio -

"The perfect [birth]day -- A little playtime, a good poop, and a long nap." - Tomato Greeting Cards -

I was all set to buy an Android based phone. iOS5 addressed everything I thought was missing in the iPhone. Now, I'm seriously rethinking.

I think Apple was smart in copying BBM, Android notifications and others UI's. These are things people want and Apple listened.

Biggest thing I am happy to see is now wireless integration. I have collected about 10 of those stupid 30pin to USB connectors. Maybe the new iPods, iPads and iPhones will switch to micro-USB connectors?

You and me know that. But for the PC crowd, and Mr Ballmer, there is no such thing as a post-PC. Everything is a PC... except the iPad because it tethers to a PC. That was their excuse. I wonder what will they say now.

Quote:

BTW, my 11-year-old grandson (with direction from his 15-year-old sister) did his final term project entirely on an iPad, using iMovie.

He got his grade today... A+... With a comment on his final report card -- "Best EVER project".

That grade, along with the interest, skills and confidence gained, repaid the investment in the iPad -- many times over...

lol. Before name calling, have the decency to read multiple websites. How about, A LOT of them do that. There was someone on this board in this thread who already said iOs's notifications are much more elegant. Go to Android sites, and see the fanbois out there. I know a lot of them do appreciate them, and I am assuming you are one. I have seen comments like "Apple's notification system is just 1,0, wait for the 2.0, it will be revolutionary and blow Android out of the water" etc etc. So before calling me an asshole, go and get outside your cocoon of reading only specific websites. I happen to read everything that interests me, so I see a lot more fanboism than you do. Im actually not offended, but laughing. Its hilarious.

Actually it's you that is blinkered and ignorant, Android fan boy that you are. Most iOS users have been pretty much in agreement that if Apple were to improve anything on iOS, is should have been notifications first.

As far as Apple fanboys infesting Android sites, utter and complete bullshit. You're straight up lying. OTOH, go to the comments on pretty much any Apple article on any tech site and listen to the long, ugly yowl of the Android army as they belittle the site management for sucking Apple's dick for even mentioning the name and bellowing about the "fanboys" and what they'd probably be saying or thinking, if they were actually in evidence.

Kind of like what your'e doing here. I mean, you're reduced to incomprehensible gibberish like claiming that people are responding well to Apple's just announced notification system is evidence that they thought Apple's notification was better all along.

I'm glad you think being an asshole is funny, but it isn't really. Android people are the biggest douchebags on the internet, constantly on the lookout for any Apple news they can shit on. I guess iOS users are too busy enjoying their gear to bother to do the same-- although apparently they don't have to, since the average Android user is convinced that these fan boys are everywhere, just about to say something stupid.

Really, look at this thread. Apple oriented site, Apple announces big update to iOS that addresses a lot of long standing complaints, and there are half a dozen assholes on the thread smirking and trolling and talking about "catch up" and "copying." You'd never see that on an Android site in a million years. Asshole.

They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.

Are you kidding me? Because something is licensed under GNU GPL doesn't mean it doesn't have trademarks, copyrights, etc.

Did you read my post? Or the first 10 words?

Nothing in the Notifications that Apple has implemented is SPECIFIC to Google.

Google doesn't want to sue and Apple and vice versa. But apple has sued Google Indirectly. Hell, Microsoft makes a boatload of more money off of Android than it does windows phone 7 due to one of those patent cases.

However, if you recall, Apple was allowed to sue HTC for the lock-screen function a few years back. Lockscreen Notification was specifically implemented into Samsung's touchwiz, and MS has been able to utilize the camera, and HTC some other apps from the lockscreen. It all depends on how aggressive these companies are.

But I expect no response, because both companies are currently competing for the hearts of the XDA community. Motorola will ride the "cool" factor of android as much as it can. HTC, Samsung and LG will probably the only REAL manufacturers pushing android forward.

I was all set to buy an Android based phone. iOS5 addressed everything I thought was missing in the iPhone. Now, I'm seriously rethinking.

I think Apple was smart in copying BBM, Android notifications and others UI's. These are things people want and Apple listened.

Biggest thing I am happy to see is now wireless integration. I have collected about 10 of those stupid 30pin to USB connectors. Maybe the new iPods, iPads and iPhones will switch to micro-USB connectors?

I'm still undecided as to whether to switch or stay with the iPhone. I like the new Safari and Safai reader, and frankly had notifications and wireless synch covered well with jailbroken apps.

There's some cool stuff, but lacking some of the killer features of other OS's.

As an Android user, I say this is good enough. I might thinking of switching if an iPhone comes out on my network (my plan is far more valuable than any device I use - $40 for unlimited voice, messaging and data per month).

The turn-by-turn GPS would be missed. But it's a question of whether you are willing to spring for the full price nav apps on the App Store.

The grid interface issue can be annoying depending on how you organize things. But for most people it's fine. Most Android users use themed screens for apps and widgets. I guess iOS will kinda get you close with folders (them your apps per folder?). If you use a lot of widgets though, having them all in the drop down bar is not that great. Plus Apple should have put the power control widget in the drop down bar. That's supremely useful.

As for voice control. No question that Google really beats out Apple on this one.

For me, the one other thing I've always found annoying (and I don't know how iPhone users can stand it) is the constant need to pan around on a webpage because text doesn't reflow. This is on par with notification issue. But they didn't fix it.

Software updates will also be available over the air, and they will be delta updates, so that users will only need to download what has changed.

But what about:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onhka

A patch? You have to be kidding.

But if you are siting Android as a perfect example of how it should be done, I can see how you think that patches is the way to go.

And just ow many apps have you gotten that are near 500MB in size?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sennen

Much prefer to download the whole updated app than using patches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aestival

I absolutely agree -- the era where software publishers had to agonize over how many floppies or CDs to ship an update on is long, long gone. Ditto for the era where a hundred megabytes was an enormous hard-drive chewing download.

Patches are an open invitation to a whole slew of virtually untraceable bugs, while whole-app downloads guarantee a uniform user experience (at least on Apple hardware, where virtually every physical device can be tested with ease by even the smallest developers).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton

Oh no. No patching. All or nothing, no patching.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuniverse

a patch? lol so it can grow heavy and slow like the windowze? no thanks.

The Syncing is much more comprehensive. Apple is behind on maps, but thats because the rely on google.

They may rely on Google, But Apple has the final say on what goes on the iOS version of Maps. If anything is behind it's android counterpart, it's the OEM's doing, not Google's as they push out updates for every platform regardless.

Yeah, those photocopiers haven't been used very much. Last time it was Xerox PARC. It's usually the other guys that are copying Apple, but feel free to gloat this time. You won't get many chances to

One more thing, can anyone remind us again what Android would have looked like in a world without the iPhone? Anyone?

It matters not if Apple recognized that the best way to handle notifications (or any other basic feature) was to mimic Android. They took an idea from WebOS, and another from Microsoft too. Just as anyone else mimicking an Apple way of handling something, it's only acknowledging that that someone else has it pretty much correct. It would be pretty short-sighted and stubborn to be different "just because".

In this case simply an Apple tip of the cap to Android for notifications. If they thought there was a better way to do it they would have. No biggie. They've all taken ideas from each other and tried to do them better.