They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash. An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street. On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes. Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control. I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

Bontesla:Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.Given that he left a manifesto.Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

sanriosucks:Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)

Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens. The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen. He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night. He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land. Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway. He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck. Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family. For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe. All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted. The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

Funny how the news isn't quick to mention that.... or that a precipitating event in this guy's breakdown was when he witnessed other officers brutalizing an unarmed suspect, and when he tried to report it he was basically fired for not being a team player.

Enemabag Jones:There has been some sort of gang war looking for an informant, and for second time someone has been shot at due to confusion. Luckily nobody has died.

Jesus Christ, that's insane. Police stop a small white dude when they are looking for a large black dude, and ask him a bunch of questions because he was driving a similar vehicle. Dude is obviously not the droids they are looking for so why even bother asking him questions about where he is going and what he is doing? And then a 2nd cop slams his cruiser into his truck because "he was coming right at us"? Seems to me the cop was coming right at him.

And yet not one Goddamn thing will happen to the cops who pull this shiat. Shooting at every Nissan truck you see because the bad guy *might* be in it? Wounding civilans and making no attempt to make sure of the target? How the fark can they be allowed to do this shiat?

Is someone is *actively* trying to kill me. Say they are shooting at me, and I return fire, and one of my bullets misses and injures an innocent person, I am held responsible. Criminal and cival penalties all around. Doesn't matter that it was the other guy trying to kill me that forced me to respond. But if a cop goes "Hey, the killer was driving a black Ford F-150, and there is someone in a green Toyota Tundra, better empty three mags into it as it drives by and force it off the road into a ditch with my cruiser, and then shoot some more, just in case" He is found to "have acted in accordance with dept policy"

I wonder if they meant to put "suspected killed" in both photo captions or if it was a repeated Freudian typo.

Also, re: LAPD reopening his case, I read somewhere that if it's an open case the documentation may be exempt from FOI requests. If that's true, reopening it may just be LAPD's way of making an end run around Dorner's plea to the media to look into it.

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.

Black people do indeed worry about this sort of thing, and not without grounds. Very few of them, however, react to their fears, however well grounded, by going on vindictive shooting rampages. And fewer still go on vindictive shooting rampages in which most of the victims are *themselves* people of color and minorities while attempting to "justify" their actions by crying "racism!"

Maybe if instead of destroying the city, the minority communities targeted LAPD after the Rodney King thing, the LAPD would have gotten its shiat together.

It has never worked like that in the past anywhere in this country.

And I would be careful about talking about minority *communities* destroying anything. If you look at the Rodney King riots, and the Watts riot 27 years before, and similar ghetto riots elsewhere in the US, you will find that only a small percentage of the people in the communities you talk about actually participated in the riots.

mekki:Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

LA is not Baghdad, and the LAPD are not Blackwater. There are rules here. You cannot just start shooting up civilian vehicles because they kind of sort of look similar to the one you're looking for. I'm not a cop, but I would hope that the investigative standards in the LAPD are advanced enough that cops can distinguish between two Hispanic women and a black man.

MahicanDream:Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.

I just find it incredibly sad that fellow US citizens are so ready to throw out due process with this guy. He's been convicted in your mind and you don't even want to wait for an appointed judge to hand him a proper sentence, just a bullet from some fatass bully that has a shiny piece of metal on his shirt.

"There were no boot marks on Gettler's face or shirt and no bruising on his face. When Gettler was taken to the police station, he did not tell the watch commander or a physician, who treated his facial injuries, that he was kicked in the face."

'He didn't get kicked in the face- he had no injuries to the face... but, as we treating his facial injuries (of which he had none!), he never mentioned getting any facial injuries.'

/oh, BTW, bruises take time to show up//and a kick with the point of a shoe won't leave a shoeprint

This dude started out as the consummate boyscout. Nobody just snaps out after a successful carreer without provocation. I am more inclined to believe that this dude got shat on and.is trying to get the truth out, rather than believe he's just a loose cannon.If there is one thing I am sure of, its that you cannot sit around and wait for someone to give you your rights. You have to take them. Stand up for yourself and defend your.position, with violence if necessary.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

doglover:Bathia_Mapes: Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash. An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street. On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes. Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control. I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?

But all have connections to the LAPD and people he specifically had a grudge against. He's not on a rampage, per se. He's gone Rambo, literally. He's acting very rationally with a plan straight out of an action movie. I do not think he's a danger to the public, save the people related to the cops he's gunning for. Everyone else is okay. He's not after body count, just fuedin' with his former associates.

Also, I don't care how many crazy people are trying to kill you: if you're a cop you cannot just shoot randomly. When the crazy man names me as a target and I'm pretty sure I see him I can shoot randomly because I'm a civilian with no formal training and no oaths to uphold anything. I'll still go to jail, but I'm under no obligations to follow any specific rules of engagement. I can sleep well knowing I may have farked up, but I did the best I could. . . till Bubba gets horny.

Police have a higher standard. They are sworn to uphold the law and protect the public. And if they aren't sworn thus, I say we change their training and fire anyone who won't swear the new oath on the spot. The idea of cops shooting the wrong truck TWICE. Unacceptable. Clearly, regardless of how comic book this rogue cop gets in his villainy, the LAPD is seriously farked up and needs an enema.

Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer? Given the source of the accusations and the execution team they've sent - I think it's pretty important to demand this goes to trial before we start calling anyone a murderer.

Bathia_Mapes:Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash. An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street. On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes. Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control. I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?

But all have connections to the LAPD and people he specifically had a grudge against. He's not on a rampage, per se. He's gone Rambo, literally. He's acting very rationally with a plan straight out of an action movie. I do not think he's a danger to the public, save the people related to the cops he's gunning for. Everyone else is okay. He's not after body count, just fuedin' with his former associates.

Also, I don't care how many crazy people are trying to kill you: if you're a cop you cannot just shoot randomly. When the crazy man names me as a target and I'm pretty sure I see him I can shoot randomly because I'm a civilian with no formal training and no oaths to uphold anything. I'll still go to jail, but I'm under no obligations to follow any specific rules of engagement. I can sleep well knowing I may have farked up, but I did the best I could. . . till Bubba gets horny.

Police have a higher standard. They are sworn to uphold the law and protect the public. And if they aren't sworn thus, I say we change their training and fire anyone who won't swear the new oath on the spot. The idea of cops shooting the wrong truck TWICE. Unacceptable. Clearly, regardless of how comic book this rogue cop gets in his villainy, the LAPD is seriously farked up and needs an enema.

Bathia_Mapes:Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash. An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street. On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes. Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control. I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?

He's a suspect that the police are trying to execute. Until this goes to trial or height confesses - I'm skeptical about the accusations made about both the LAPD and Dorner.

The LAPD says they are reopening the investigation regarding his termination. He was fired for complaining about the misconduct of other officers and nothing more, plain and simple retailation. He claims the murder victims were the participants or family members of those officers who got him fired.

If you ruin someone's life and you give them no reason to be a part of society, they tend to be pretty anti-social.

raatz01:You know, usually when they release photos of the killers/suspects they have those dead eyes or look totally insane...this guy looked so smiley and nice. It's sad. What a clusterfark.

Well at the time of the pictures he was the picture perfect example of a strong and honest human being who was at peace with his life.Something happened, which he tried to explain in a 30 page memo.Now he probably doesn't smile any more.

JustFarkinAround:I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

Kit Fister:Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.

Kit Fister:Remember that thing about Innocent until Proven Guilty? How about the pesky requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt? The LAPD cannot just say the guy's guilty. They have to PROVE it in a court of law. So far, no evidence has been found to get anywhere near there.

thamike:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available.

There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning, trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good. But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.

mekki:dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

Rational decisions made by the LAPD that should lead you to trust one of them while his pistol is pointed in your direction:

JustFarkinAround:I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

MahicanDream:Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.

Despite the fact that he is probably a murderer and his solution in his manifesto is, well, crazy - there are some highly salient points made which are amplified given LAPD's reaction and how they have conducted themselves so far. Obviously, we should be focused on apprehending him and stopping any future bloodshed, but the corruption and incompetency needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

MahicanDream:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

Why is everyone making this dude out to be Jason Borne, Rambo and Dirty Harry all rolled into one? He had a couple of years on a mediocre metropolitan police department and was on a security detail in the Navy Reserves.

I'll bet most of the guys I shoot IDPA with are more highly trained than this clown.

tirob:OK, then, a hypothetical: Same two victims, same set of facts except that the only suspect is a white ex-cop who was dismissed from the force, and who left behind a manifesto excoriating Asians and blacks for "anti-white racism." Would such a suspect have your sympathy as well?

Does this hypothetical situation also include an alternative universe where the LAPD regularly abused a caucasian underclass while blacks held a near monopoly on political and economic influence? How far down the rabbit hole do we need to travel before your question isn't False Equivalence?

The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

The LAPD needs to be taken off this case, police chief resassigned, governor sends in the national guard or something. The cops are scared, out of control, they've shot at three totally innocent civilians.

Bontesla:You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

None of us can, at this stage. I'm remaining agnostic until facts (not media yammer) are more plentiful.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face:IntertubeUser: If the federal government isn't up to the job, then the only recourse is a few thousand Christopher Dorners out there and we give up on this notion about the rule of law.

Meanwhile, the American arms industry starts doing the dougie in their corporate offices.

The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Welcome to Fark.

The crazy S.O.B. is shooting innocents as well. Yeah, no, not a fan here.

ItchyMcDoogle:When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

Anytime you use the word "justice" when referring to anything in the legal system, it's hubris. There is no justice inherent in any part of America's legal system. It's a system of rules and punishments for breaking said rules coupled with mechanisms to enforce the system on those who are unwilling to cooperate peacefully. It is not, however, justice.

Justice can be had if you do the right things, grease the right palms, and go to temple with enough of the right lawyers to either afford them or get a freebie. But much like extrajudicial justice, you can't really get it without heroic efforts on your part. The closest thing the legal system has to justice is the death penalty, and even that's so slow it's hardly worth it.

But then, justice doesn't really make things right, it just makes things even. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" I believe is the saying.

Never call courts, lawyers, police, or judges "Justice". It's "Law". Law is important, vital even, to the success of a nation, but it is not justice and you're going to make bad assumptions about your chances playing with that fire if you mix the two words up in your head.

The LAPD look so dumb.. Shooting up innocents. Then they re-opened the case.. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner. Then they have the stupidity to say "we're not re-opening it for Dorner but for the public".. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner..

doglover:Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.Given that he left a manifesto.Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

He's on the run but the LAPD are also trying to kill him. This isn't remotely conclusive.

The manifesto isn't a confession of murder and thus isn't evidence for or against murder.

One person connected to someone named in the manifesto has been killed. In a parking lot in a nearby town. So, again, that's not remotely conclusive.

You've told a story given a certain set of facts. That story is the same one being told by an organization accused of illegal activity.

Unless he's convicted, in a court or law, I think it's fair to withhold judgment.

Alonjar:sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)

Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens. The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen. He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night. He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land. Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway. He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck. Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family. For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe. All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted. The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.

Well, if he did kill anyone, he's not a hero but part of the crime problem.

Still though, there is something really funky about all this. It is almost like there is too much attention to details and the media is not only speculating themselves, but reporting speculation of others in a manner that fans the flames. I don't know what to think at this point.

bullwrinkle This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the ColoradoTheatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choicein firing him after all he may be a murderer.

OK, fine. Then are the police possibly guilty of attempted murder for opening fire on targets when they didn't know who was being shot at?

tshauk:No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that. He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.

I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.

Good on you though for working so hard for your fark counterculture merit badge.

This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.

Snotnose:They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash. An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street. On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes. Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control. I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?