Another year, another tuition increase in PA state-owned universities. On top of that our two largest schools (Pitt and Penn State) happen to be the two most expensive public universities in the entire country.

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Another year, another tuition increase in PA state-owned universities. On top of that our two largest schools (Pitt and Penn State) happen to be the two most expensive public universities in the entire country.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

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'When you live your path all the time, you end up with both more path and more time.'~Venecia Rauls

Here in the states people pay to go to public universities. Or in the case of these two schools (and two others in PA), the state government gives money to them, and then the students give them more money but get to attend at a discounted rate.

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"Christian America is finally waking up to what fraternities and biker gangs have known for years: hazing works!"

In Greece, tertiary education is strictly state-funded and consequently absolutely free (including textbooks). It's our reward for making it through the PTSD-inducing entry exam system.

Same goes for Finland. We have some other fees (~100€) though that we must pay every year in order to be able to continue university studies. They are not called as tuition fees but I guess in practice they are exactly that since they are compulsory. I don't like them but I guess I have nothing to complain as ~100€ is fairly trivial sum for a tuition fee.

I don't like them but I guess I have nothing to complain as ~100€ is fairly trivial sum for a tuition fee.

Or British ones. A couple of years ago, when the relevant restrictions were lifted, fees nearly tripled overnight. £9K a year is nothing to magic up out of thin air.

How British kids from poor families are supposed to be able to study in a university if tuition fees are that big?

There are income-based grants, and scholarships for the really bright ones, but in general I suspect we're going to see a lot more apprenticeships and flexible study schedules, rather than the conventional three years full-time.

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'When you live your path all the time, you end up with both more path and more time.'~Venecia Rauls

but in general I suspect we're going to see a lot more apprenticeships and flexible study schedules, rather than the conventional three years full-time.

Which costs are lot of money for the society as the people stay out of labour market for a longer period. I wonder if it would be cheaper in the long run to just cut down tuition fees.

Not really. People opt for part-time study so that they can keep working at the same time. Of course, there must be jobs for them, whether during or after their studies, which is another painful story...

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'When you live your path all the time, you end up with both more path and more time.'~Venecia Rauls

but in general I suspect we're going to see a lot more apprenticeships and flexible study schedules, rather than the conventional three years full-time.

Which costs are lot of money for the society as the people stay out of labour market for a longer period. I wonder if it would be cheaper in the long run to just cut down tuition fees.

Not really. People opt for part-time study so that they can keep working at the same time. Of course, there must be jobs for them, whether during or after their studies, which is another painful story...

And they must have well-paid jobs so that the amount of money they produce for the society as a part-time student correlates the amount money that could be saved by people getting faster into labour market as a full-blown professionals and taxpayers.

Well now. Apparently I found my inner Scandinavian. I didn't know I was a Socialist.

In Greece, tertiary education is strictly state-funded and consequently absolutely free (including textbooks). It's our reward for making it through the PTSD-inducing entry exam system.

Same goes for Finland. We have some other fees (~100€) though that we must pay every year in order to be able to continue university studies. They are not called as tuition fees but I guess in practice they are exactly that since they are compulsory. I don't like them but I guess I have nothing to complain as ~100€ is fairly trivial sum for a tuition fee.

Oh you crazy Europeans thinking that public means free. Here in the US, we have the privilege for paying such things and then we spend the first 10-15 years of our working life paying those loans off. Of course, with the economy in the crapper, it is often longer than that. McDonalds doesn't really cover student loan costs.

Another year, another tuition increase in PA state-owned universities. On top of that our two largest schools (Pitt and Penn State) happen to be the two most expensive public universities in the entire country.

I blame Joe Paterno, memory eternal. Everything that goes wrong in this state is his fault.

I was talking to a friend from high school, who's now looking at grad schools. I tried to talk him into trying somewhere in Memphis, but he was reluctant, given the South's reputation for not being terribly gay-friendly. I thought it was odd that he was that focused on a political issue in determining where to move, but it turns out he's been out for like a year and it's just never come up before.

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"Some have such command of their bowels, that they can break wind continuously at pleasure, so as to produce the effect of singing."- St. Augustine of Hippo

I was talking to a friend from high school, who's now looking at grad schools. I tried to talk him into trying somewhere in Memphis, but he was reluctant, given the South's reputation for not being terribly gay-friendly. I thought it was odd that he was that focused on a political issue in determining where to move, but it turns out he's been out for like a year and it's just never come up before.

I was in the process of writing a post on this thread when my power went out. It took about 1.5 seconds for my power to come back on. It then took about 4 minutes for my computer to reboot and my modem to reset. Will my first world problems ever end?

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"Christian America is finally waking up to what fraternities and biker gangs have known for years: hazing works!"

I was in the process of writing a post on this thread when my power went out. It took about 1.5 seconds for my power to come back on. It then took about 4 minutes for my computer to reboot and my modem to reset. Will my first world problems ever end?

I was in the process of writing a post on this thread when my power went out. It took about 1.5 seconds for my power to come back on. It then took about 4 minutes for my computer to reboot and my modem to reset. Will my first world problems ever end?

No.

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"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire. May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

I was talking to a friend from high school, who's now looking at grad schools. I tried to talk him into trying somewhere in Memphis, but he was reluctant, given the South's reputation for not being terribly gay-friendly. I thought it was odd that he was that focused on a political issue in determining where to move, but it turns out he's been out for like a year and it's just never come up before.

What? They love gays in New Orleans. In Asheville, NC as well.

Pretty much everywhere now it's openly accepted. Those opposed are forcibly shut up. Your friend can go where he wants.

So, I've been having some issues with my back and decided to get X-rays done of my entire spine. Didn't hear anything for a few days and stopped in to find out the results. I have to make another appointment just to find out what the results were, but I can't call to make an appointment until next week.

Again, a glimpse into Kerdy's fantasy life nobody really wanted to know.

You see things differently? Being shouted down, titled a hate-monger and bigot, charged with garbage such as hate speech, if not compliant being placed on academic probation, physical assaults, etc. isn't forcibly shutting people up? What's left, bullet to the head? This stuff happens and it's getting worse. No fantasy to it.

Again, a glimpse into Kerdy's fantasy life nobody really wanted to know.

You see things differently? Being shouted down, titled a hate-monger and bigot, charged with garbage such as hate speech, if not compliant being placed on academic probation, physical assaults, etc. isn't forcibly shutting people up? What's left, bullet to the head? This stuff happens and it's getting worse. No fantasy to it.

You're such a bigot Kerdy. You need to gain some enlightenment or else you'll face the guillotine like all narrow minded religious fanatics.

Selam

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"There are two great tragedies: one is to live a life ruled by the passions, and the other is to live a passionless life."Selam, +GMK+

Again, a glimpse into Kerdy's fantasy life nobody really wanted to know.

You see things differently? Being shouted down, titled a hate-monger and bigot, charged with garbage such as hate speech, if not compliant being placed on academic probation, physical assaults, etc. isn't forcibly shutting people up? What's left, bullet to the head? This stuff happens and it's getting worse. No fantasy to it.

You're such a bigot Kerdy. You need to gain some enlightenment or else you'll face the guillotine like all narrow minded religious fanatics.

Selam

I know. I should be ashamed of myself. At least the guillotine would provide me some perspective.

I was talking to a friend from high school, who's now looking at grad schools. I tried to talk him into trying somewhere in Memphis, but he was reluctant, given the South's reputation for not being terribly gay-friendly. I thought it was odd that he was that focused on a political issue in determining where to move, but it turns out he's been out for like a year and it's just never come up before.

What? They love gays in New Orleans. In Asheville, NC as well.

Pretty much everywhere now it's openly accepted. Those opposed are forcibly shut up. Your friend can go where he wants.

Well, he's the one affected here, so I'll let him be the judge.

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"Some have such command of their bowels, that they can break wind continuously at pleasure, so as to produce the effect of singing."- St. Augustine of Hippo

I was talking to a friend from high school, who's now looking at grad schools. I tried to talk him into trying somewhere in Memphis, but he was reluctant, given the South's reputation for not being terribly gay-friendly. I thought it was odd that he was that focused on a political issue in determining where to move, but it turns out he's been out for like a year and it's just never come up before.

What? They love gays in New Orleans. In Asheville, NC as well.

Pretty much everywhere now it's openly accepted. Those opposed are forcibly shut up. Your friend can go where he wants.

Well, he's the one affected here, so I'll let him be the judge.

The South isn't what it used to be. Most people aren't going to say anything to him unless he does something really crazy, especially in the bigger cities. Asheville is a good suggestion, very liberally spirited there. In fact, pretty much anywhere in NC that isn't really small.

I was at the end of a contract with my gym, and I found out this morning that they automatically signed me up for an "optional" renewal of my membership. Apparently optional means "if you don't give us 30 days written notice that you want to cancel, we're going to continue charging you". This means I'll be paying for two months that I don't want and won't use. I should have seen this coming.

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"Christian America is finally waking up to what fraternities and biker gangs have known for years: hazing works!"

I was at the end of a contract with my gym, and I found out this morning that they automatically signed me up for an "optional" renewal of my membership. Apparently optional means "if you don't give us 30 days written notice that you want to cancel, we're going to continue charging you". This means I'll be paying for two months that I don't want and won't use. I should have seen this coming.

Gyms are pretty scummy like that. My wife and I had a similar situation. Basically, we just harassed some dude on the phone for a good 2 hours (apparently he was not allowed to hang up) and eventually we got our money back.

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"A riddle or the cricket's cryIs to doubt a fit reply." - William Blake

I was at the end of a contract with my gym, and I found out this morning that they automatically signed me up for an "optional" renewal of my membership. Apparently optional means "if you don't give us 30 days written notice that you want to cancel, we're going to continue charging you". This means I'll be paying for two months that I don't want and won't use. I should have seen this coming.

Gyms are pretty scummy like that. My wife and I had a similar situation. Basically, we just harassed some dude on the phone for a good 2 hours (apparently he was not allowed to hang up) and eventually we got our money back.

That probably burned more calories for you than 2 months of workouts at the gym. Well done!

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"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire. May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian