The Kochs have framed the discussion thusly: You have lots of oil and gas under your house. The EPA wants to stop you from getting it. The Liberal/EPA conspiracy consists of a bunch of hypocrites who drive nice cars and keep their homes warm in the winter yet don't want you to have jobs in the oil & gas business because it satisfies their sense of ecological purity, yet they are willing to spend your tax dollars on welfare for people in the ghetto which they think is more important.

This is what I've been able to extract from the TP groups I'm a member of on Facebook.

I agree with your last paragraph Bort. I just had an argument with an investment banker from Chicago. He agrees with "what OWS is about" he has just created a mythology around what caused the recession and what is stopping jobs from being created (he thinks Dodd-Frank is part of the problem). So he isn't able to unleash his vitriol because he knows on some level his friends were part of the problem.

I agree with that. Then again, it wasn't a plant to dump a bunch of McDonald's applications on protestors in Chicago, but that's the kind of thing that will push a desperate person over the edge. I am not so wide eyed and idealistic that I think the Left doesn't bite back... transcending ideology, with real unemployment at 20% and people losing their homes it's only a matter of time before someone walks into a foreclosure mill and blows something up. I am terrified of how the media is going to handle it.

This stuff really hits home form e. Right now I am working for a small business and we've had to lay off almost everyone. If our company gets big enough, Home Depot oe Loew's will most certainly steal our patent and crush us. Seems doubtful though, since most new businesses just die of attrition in this economy.

A lot of the guest speakers they have are obviously are not speakers in normal circumstances, but there's something refreshing about letting anybody get there and voice their concerns.

The foundation of this country's constitutional republic was meant to be an Aristotelian polity, a balance to the oligarchy and a check to the tempestuous nature of the democracy, and all of OWS is really just about returning to those roots. When oligarchy overextends its power, the democracy rises from the cracks of the polity and demands its piece.

The sad thing about real demonstrations is that all the gutter slime, trust fund anarchists, angry hippies, excons, and idiots with a chip on their shoulders for any reason come out to demonstrate their idiocy. I really hope they don't actually hurt anybody. I'm on a lot of OWS forums and while most of the people are amazingly together and cool, a few of them are violent reactionaries that scare the shit out of me.

My thoughts exactly. There were some posts from other people that I bookmarked and wished to revisit. I would like to find the 7-8 posts that I made that more than a few dozen people bulbed as well. They're all gone.

Spoonybard is right. The correct term is hebephile, I think. That's when you just want to fuck really people of a pubescent age. Pedophilia is pre-pubescent.

When I was 24-25 a 17 year old wanted to come to my apartment to have sex with me.

She was most definitely real and not a troll. But since I'm not a piece of shit I said "No, that makes me feel uncomfortable." Surprise, she had been molested as she was growing up, which made me feel even worse. I then spent about 2 hours giving her therapy. That's what you should do when people who are too stupid to be having sex with full grown adults want to bang you. As far the 17 year old, a year later she became a stripper. Bigger surprise there.

I'm not a saint, I really wanted to do it with her because most men, deep down inside, feel that they are still in high school on the inside. But then I would have felt like a total sleazebag and would have hated myself.

No, people like him come in go. Usually when they realize they've become the butt of all jokes they get bored or frustrated leave. Mark seems to really enjoy it, but then again he's proven to be pretty slow in general.