JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1215)

If ever there was an encyclopedic knowledge of the case evidence, it would be Penn and Teller. DVP needs help. He's citing non-experts again! LOL!!!!

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Penn & Teller prove the "jet effect" theory is valid in that video. I don't care if it was Jack Benny and Mel Blanc doing the shooting of that melon, the point is still a valid one.

What difference does it make WHO pulls the trigger?

"NICKNAME" SAID:

As always, murder apologists like Von Pein like to have it both ways. Namely, they point to JFK's head going forward to prove a shot from behind. Then point to the "jet effect" to explain why it went backwards.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

JFK's head DOES go both directions, "Nick". Who can possibly deny that fact? And we know beyond doubt that BOTH of those actions were caused after just ONE bullet struck his head from behind. (The autopsy proves that fact.)

Ergo, there must be some explanation to reasonably explain both movements. And the jet effect can, indeed, explain the backward movement.

R. ANDERSON SAID:

I have to say though: I've never bought the jet effect (by itself) explaining the movement. I've always thought we are talking some sort of (muscle) reaction as well.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

That's quite possible, RA. I, too, have endorsed a COMBINATION of the two theories in conjunction with one another. We'll never know for sure, of course.

But a "jet effect" HAS been proven with melons AND with human skulls (via Dr. Lattimer's tests). So we know the jet effect is valid. There's no doubt about it.

"NICKNAME" SAID:

Unfortunately, you're at an impasse, Von Trapped. You just admitted the head goes both ways. The "jet effect" only allows for it to go one way. Now tell me, do believers or do believers NOT point to a "forward motion" on JFK as proof that the shot came from behind? One is a contradiction of the other. It takes a LNer to believe both.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The forward motion is caused by the bullet's initial contact with the skull. The jet effect occurs after the bullet passes through the skull, propelling the head in the opposite direction. So, of course, the LNers CAN "have it both ways". And they should. Because ONE bullet DID cause the head to move in different directions at different points in time.

WILLY WHITTEN SAID:

Pen and Teller [sic] didn't prove squat, Von Pien [sic]. They use a honey dew melon wrapped in tape, just like "Nobel Prize winning physicist, and personal buddy of JFK, Dr. Luis W. Alvarez" used for his bogus experiments.

These melons are NOT an adequate analog of a human head. Especially one attached to the body - as Kennedy's obviously was.

You are a crank, Penn and Teller are cranks, and Dr. Luis W. Alvarez is a crank. It is a BS experiment.

Utter nonsense. A skull sitting atop a ladder, attached to nothing, is simply not an acceptable analog to a human body. Totally bogus pseudoscience.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The fact that Dr. Lattimer's test skulls were UNTETHERED skulls on a ladder makes the backward movement of those skulls even more impressive, given the fact the bullet COULD have blown the skulls dozens of feet FORWARD off the ladder....but that didn't happen. The skulls still went backward, even though they weren't attached to anybody's "neck". (Think about it from that standpoint for a minute.)

"NICKNAME" SAID:

You guys need a new official story. For God's sake, even Specter's SBT was supposed to be a temporary placeholder until they "figured out" what happened.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

WTF?? "Placeholder"? Where did you get that from?

"NICKNAME" SAID:

Specter dreamed up some nonsense as a hypothetical theory, which was adopted at once as fact. The "proving it" came later. As you well know. Not that I hear Henry, Anderson or any other troll demanding to see Specter's "credentials" and "expertise" in ballistics, forensics, geometry, physics and so on. He just stated it; it became truth.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Given ALL the facts and factors of the shooting, the Single-Bullet Theory is the ONLY reasonable conclusion that can be reached. Any other non-SBT scenario falls way short, as conspiracy theorists surely have to know (but refuse to admit it).

Two bullets going into Kennedy and never exiting? (Ridiculous.)

Or:

A bullet passing through JFK and barely missing Connally, with Connally then being struck by a SECOND bullet IN THE UPPER BACK at virtually the exact same instant as Kennedy? (Ridiculous.)