Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning.

This scenario rarely ever happens. It is kind of like when some kid swallows some stupid toy, chokes and dies…and the toy gets recalled and all the parents are going fucking crazy over this damn toy. You can’t save everyone and PE is here to stay like it or not.

Yep. People have died from aspirin. Should aspirin be banned? I’m not trying to make light of this guy’s problems, just saying that a few rare instances hardly justifies blaring a warning in neon lights.

PEdoes have some inherent dangers (ALL activities do - even drinking too much water can be fatal). But *MOST* PE injuries usually occur when somebody tries some super xtreme crazy shit - not standard jelqing.

04-30-2010, 07:06 AM

PlentyofStretch

Man….I was just about to begin my journey I am anyway in a month or so more research needed.

04-30-2010, 10:43 AM

Owen33

Originally Posted by wadzilla

Yep. People have died from aspirin. Should aspirin be banned? I’m not trying to make light of this guy’s problems, just saying that a few rare instances hardly justifies blaring a warning in neon lights.

PEdoes have some inherent dangers (ALL activities do - even drinking too much water can be fatal). But *MOST* PE injuries usually occur when somebody tries some super xtreme crazy shit - not standard jelqing.

Yeah. The old “you could die crossing the street” argument.

This is what you don’t realize until you’ve got permanent damage. There are many, many guys who’ve had damage from PE. Possibly more than those who gained at all, and definitely more than those who’ve had any gains that don’t require “maintainance”. Only about 1 in 10 injured comes to the forums making a fuss about it, others are not interested in this. So the whole thing is not even on your radar, until of course you are injured and start discovering this. Bear in mind a lot of PE boards have a very common practice to eradicate all traces of existence of anyone injured (often under the pretense of them being “trolls”), so you don’t even get to see the real picture. Just watch the slew of attacks this guy got immediately after reporting. It says a lot about the reality some PEers live in.

I will quote someone else who was seriously injured.

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There are serious problems that can happen to your penis from these exercises, and I am a living proof. It’s actually a lot of people that experience some degree of erectile dysfunction, soft glans etc from it. There are posts about these things on the enlargement forums, but you don’t really notice them or pay attention to them. Because you believe people did something extreme, until you are there yourself.

Personally, I don’t think you even remotely understand the complex delicacy of the organ called penis. Very few systems in the body can compare to it. Even the muscle in it doesn’t exist anywhere else in the body. And what to say about veno-occlusive function. Trying to force this organ to enlarge with no professional medical guidance is bound to be anything but safe. One person that got venous leakage and corrected it through surgery was asked by his uro did he “put his penis under any type of prolonged pressure like cock-ring?” Now compare wearing a cock-ring to doing clamping. Wait, it’s not even comparable. Besides, don’t you find it strange that, with all the interest in penis size and enlargement in the world today, it is not medically and scientifically established that such and such a way to enlarge the penis consistently works? I’m sure you have clever arguments to combat this.

One thing you also don’t realize is that many people’s slight ED is masked by the pumping or jelqing they’re doing, as this keeps the EQ up temporarily. I’ve seen not one but several injuries that revealed themselves after the guy stopped PE for a couple of days. And I’ve seen guys say that their EQ goes down unless they “do PE”. If they were smart, this would give them a clue. The penis should not need being put unders stress to function in a top notch way.

The real icing on the cake is that, with all the today’s medical progress, options for those who injured thier penises are very few. Close to none.

Of course, I am not writing this to convince you personally. I’ve seen enough to know that such a thing never happens. But I might make someone else more careful in the future.

I hope I will not be taken as someone who is trying to create hysteria. I am not. But I think I have the right to express my opinion. I am pretty sure what I say here will be taken for granted is a few years of the development of the PE community. Since, guys are not going to stop trying to enlarge their penis. And they will also not stop getting “injured” doing so.

And finally to get one thing clear: I don’t think that PE cannot work, under condition that it is extremely careful and extremely long term. I would even like to do some if I ever heal. But it wouldn’t be anything close to what is generally done.

04-30-2010, 11:00 AM

Owen33

Oh one thing more.

You said “*MOST* PE injuries usually occur when somebody tries some super xtreme crazy shit - not standard jelqing.”

Interestingly I’ve seen bib say “Tell everyone jelqing is not a safe way to PE.” And some other statements in the same vein.

And indeed, 90% of the nasty long term “injuries” (a.k.a. permanent erectile dysfunction) I read about was from jelqing.

I hope you fix the problems your experiencing, I can’t really offer any advise but I will say that if you honestly believe you have a physical problem, keep changing Doctors until you get some sort of help, it took me three Doctors, eight months and various tests before the Doctors had results that were abnormal (not PE related).

05-01-2010, 02:58 AM

wadzilla

Originally Posted by Owen33

I will quote someone else who was seriously injured.

Personally, I don’t think you even remotely understand the complex delicacy of the organ called penis. Very few systems in the body can compare to it. Even the muscle in it doesn’t exist anywhere else in the body. And what to say about veno-occlusive function. Trying to force this organ to enlarge with no professional medical guidance is bound to be anything but safe. One person that got venous leakage and corrected it through surgery was asked by his uro did he “put his penis under any type of prolonged pressure like cock-ring?” Now compare wearing a cock-ring to doing clamping. Wait, it’s not even comparable.

Wow, these arguments tend to jump all over the place. In my case, PECURED my mild E.D. And I’ve been consistent about this since Day #1 (I’ve posted it here many times in my 7 years as a member) - which was in August 2002.

Originally Posted by Owen33

Besides, don’t you find it strange that, with all the interest in penis size and enlargement in the world today, it is not medically and scientifically established that such and such a way to enlarge the penis consistently works? I’m sure you have clever arguments to combat this.

This argument seems to imply that the PE commonly done here is invalid, or incorrect, because there has been no “medically and scientifically established that such and such a way to enlarge the penis consistently works?” How’s this for a “clever argument”? PE doubled the size of my boner, by volume - using the very methods discussed here. “Clever” enough for you?

Originally Posted by Owen33

Of course, I am not writing this to convince you personally. I’ve seen enough to know that such a thing never happens.

I suppose that means that I am a mindless zealot, an irrational fool? Again, “I’ve seen enough” cock enlargement - without injury - to feel perfectly confident about PE.

Originally Posted by Owen33

I hope I will not be taken as someone who is trying to create hysteria. I am not. But I think I have the right to express my opinion.

Are you kidding me? The title of your thread is Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning. No “hysteria” there, of course not… unless the destruction of one’s life is trivial.

Originally Posted by Owen33

And finally to get one thing clear: I don’t think that PE cannot work, under condition that it is extremely careful and extremely long term. I would even like to do some if I ever heal. But it wouldn’t be anything close to what is generally done.

I hope you do get your problem corrected, sincerely. And if you do try PE later, “But it wouldn't be anything close to what is generally done” don’t expect any kind of appreciable results. While I do shun “xtreme” shit, you do need to generate sufficient levels of intensity - or your just stroking/rubbing your cock.

05-01-2010, 06:58 AM

Walgart

Originally Posted by wadzilla

Are you kidding me? The title of your thread is Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning. No “hysteria” there, of course not… unless the destruction of one’s life is trivial.

A careful and correct reading of threads and who the author is for sure isn`t trival for you wadzilla.

05-01-2010, 08:06 AM

mrlength

I am sure you overtrained but I think aside factors may also be affecting you such as Medications, poor diet, stress, alcohol, high blood sugar, low thyroid, low testosterone.

Do you have diabetes?

Started: NBPEL 5.5 == EG: 5

Current: NBPEL 7.5 == EG: 6

Goal: NBPEL 8 == EG: 6

05-01-2010, 04:25 PM

sta-kool

Originally Posted by mrlength

Do you have diabetes?

That has crossed my mind as well. Hoping willy wonka will go in for a physical and blood work-up.

Having read thousand of posts here, having known some members from their first post through years, my rough extimation is that the chances to have a permanent injury caused by PE are lower than 1 on 100.

We have maybe about ten guys around here who reported ‘permanent injuries’.

Among them, some never have gone to a urologist to see if they really had any physical injury at all; some others did, and urologists said they had nothing; finally, maybe 2 or three of them had their fear confirmed; actually, there isn’t anything supporting that, even for those, PE was the cause or that they had not had a bad injury even without PE.

Sexual encounters is by far a more common cause of bad penis injuries, by what I know. And we had people reporting bad damages to their penis due to sport - I seem to remember one had from swimming, another one from soccer (or foot-ball)…ok, let’s not divagate.

I think Wad is right on this. PE has dangers. We don’t want in anyway convince you to do PE if you have fears. But, objectively, any sport is by far more dangerous than PE.

05-01-2010, 05:13 PM

Gryphon

Ok to the original poster, I am truly sorry I wish you the best and hope you recover soon.

Now I just read Owen`s post and have some things to say. I can understand how one who gets injured might feel, I had a week where I couldn’t get an erection and believe me I cried every night until I recovered.

Still I think you are being too harsh worth your comments. I am a member of the 3 most important forums in PE( my opinion), but I have never seen that the amounts of injured guys is even close to the amount of people thanking/ talking about their gains or improvements.

You said that you even think that the amount of people who gets injured might be even bigger than the people gaining, yet i don’t see any convincing argument backing that up. As I stated above, in almost 4 years in PE forums I have read of probably around 50-80 stories of guys who got permanent injuries.

You are right, some threads are dismissed right away because people think they are trolls and shit, and some just disappear forever. But common sense would say that if you get injured, you would like to keep yourself as informed as possible. What better way to achieve that other than keep posting in a place where most of the members do the same thing as yourself and don’t have an injury, or even better have gained?

The thread Firm flaccid penis is a perfect example of this, the guys keep posting to keep each other motivated, and they share their discoveries or breakthroughs improving their problem. Other members usually also comment to give encouragement/advice, isnt that what we are here for?

Just my opinion.

Was (july 07): 5.25 nbp (5.9 bp)X 4.5

July 10 :6.15 nbp (6.65 bp)X 4.8

Goal: 6.75 nbp (7.1 bp) x 5.1 Final goal : 7.25 nbp x 5.3

05-01-2010, 05:41 PM

bluray

If I had of seen posts like this before I did my first PE routine there is no way I would of risked it. So are these permanent injuries always happening to first time PE’ers?We need to find what all these guys have in common so people can know if they are more likely to be at risk for these kinds of things.

I am paranoid though guys get on here and just say PE ruined their life to get others to stop/never try PE because they don’t want others growing their cocks.

PE Goal: 7.5" NBP x 5.8" MSG

05-02-2010, 06:43 AM

UkranianTitan

I agree with many of the above sentiments, PE will actually help most people, but it is definitely something you want to “feel” out at first. Despite the fact that more people experience real injuries than we wish to acknowledge, it is also likely that some percentage of people have problems that result from some sort of mental deficiency. As I have said in many of my posts that the people who even attempt PE have a rare personality type, they are (on average) overwhelmingly OCD, narcissistic, and by most standards a little fucked up in the head. Many of them over analyze, and over think everything, and I am sure many of the people who notice their dick getting a little less hard due to overworking it too early get “extra nervous”, and this can easily result in ED, in fact it can result in permanent ED if they do not seek help, or reframe their perspective. This is not to say that some don’t experience real injuries, but I do think that many beginning PE’ers have trouble making the distinction between real injury, and NI’s.