Erie Warrior wrote:Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

Thin the herd.

"Wild" west towns were far more safe than eastern cities. A lot had strict gun laws requiring you to turn in your pistols, rifle, or shotgun. Of course people found a way around that by carrying derringers...... the gun that had trouble hitting a target across a poker table.

Erie Warrior wrote:Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

Thin the herd.

"Wild" west towns were far more safe than eastern cities. A lot had strict gun laws requiring you to turn in your pistols, rifle, or shotgun. Of course people found a way around that by carrying derringers...... the gun that had trouble hitting a target across a poker table.

Erie Warrior wrote:Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

Thin the herd.

"Wild" west towns were far more safe than eastern cities. A lot had strict gun laws requiring you to turn in your pistols, rifle, or shotgun. Of course people found a way around that by carrying derringers...... the gun that had trouble hitting a target across a poker table.

At that point you'd be better off with a good sword sword.

Is a sword sword different than just a sword?

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

Erie Warrior wrote:Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

Thin the herd.

"Wild" west towns were far more safe than eastern cities. A lot had strict gun laws requiring you to turn in your pistols, rifle, or shotgun. Of course people found a way around that by carrying derringers...... the gun that had trouble hitting a target across a poker table.

At that point you'd be better off with a good sword sword.

Is a sword sword different than just a sword?

Yes, of course it is. CDT understands, and can probably better explain the advantages and intricacies of the sword sword over your average, run of the mill, regular sword.

Well, comparing the gladius to the Celtic long sword is a matter of use and room. The gladius was a 90% stabbing weapon. Where the long sword requires room to swing and cut, the gladius requires only enough space to deliver a single thrust.

Early Roman swords were copies of Greek versions, either the Xiphos or Kopis, since swords were uncommon weapons in Italy before the Greeks arrived.

Those old Euro's know a thing or two about short swords but if you want a long sword you need to go to Japan.

I think a 2-3 shaku "daito" is a good compromise weapon for both slashing and stabbing. Probably just what every suburban and rurual Ohio household needs to secure the premises. Probably a good option for the collections department of a local dental practice as well.

CHARLES BARKLEY: Well, I agreed with the verdict. I feel sorry that young kid got killed. But they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Something clearly went wrong that night. Clearly something went wrong. I feel bad for anybody who loses a kid, but if you looked at the case and you don't make it -- there was some racial profiling, no question about it. But something happened that changed the dynamic of that night, and I know -- that's probably not a popular opinion among most people but just looking at the evidence I agreed with the verdict.

I just feel bad because I don't like when race gets out in the media because I don't think the media has a pure heart, as I call it. There are very few people have a pure heart when it comes to race. Racism is wrong in any, shape, form -- a lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist. There are a lot of black people who are racist. I don't like when it gets out there in the media because I don't think the media has clean hands.

MARIA BARTIROMO, CNBC: I'm glad you made that point.

BARKLEY: Obviously I feel sorry that young kid got killed but just judging by the evidence, I don't think that guy should have went to jail the rest of his life. Something happened bad that night, obviously.

BARTIROMO: I like what the juror said, they both should have walked away. And if there is a shadow of a doubt, there is a shadow of a doubt.

BARKLEY: And let me tell you, Mr. Zimmerman was wrong to pursue -- he was racial profiling. I think Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, I think he did flip the switch and started beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman. But it was just a bad situation. And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

BARTIROMO: The bias comes out.

BARKLEY: The bias, it definitely comes out. It was a bad situation, we all lost. And I feel bad for his parents. You don't ever want to see anybody lose a kid. (CNBC Closing Bell, July 18, 2013)

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

All the "what would you do if someone following you" or "But he initiated it" doesn't fucking make a difference from a trial perspective and right and wrong and morality has next to nothing to do with application of the law.

And yeah, that's exactly what I meant to say.

If you think it does you're an ignoramus. And if you can't separate the two concepts then you should probably be looking for a different thread.

peeker643 wrote:Glad to see Barkley isn't as stone-cold-stupid as many others.

He has it exactly right from a legal sense.

And he has it exactly right from a 'Zimmerman pursuing' sense.

All the "what would you do if someone following you" or "But he initiated it" doesn't fucking make a difference from a trial perspective and right and wrong and morality has next to nothing to do with application of the law.

And yeah, that's exactly what I meant to say.

If you think it does you're an ignoramus. And if you can't separate the two concepts then you should probably be looking for a different thread.

And that's why the media coverage has been deplorable. Cause they run out the 5% that don't understand the above.

peeker643 wrote:Glad to see Barkley isn't as stone-cold-stupid as many others.

He has it exactly right from a legal sense.

And he has it exactly right from a 'Zimmerman pursuing' sense.

All the "what would you do if someone following you" or "But he initiated it" doesn't fucking make a difference from a trial perspective and right and wrong and morality has next to nothing to do with application of the law.

And yeah, that's exactly what I meant to say.

If you think it does you're an ignoramus. And if you can't separate the two concepts then you should probably be looking for a different thread.

I'm glad to see Charles speak in a reasonable and matter of fact way (although I wonder was his motive true, is he running for office still?). He spoke much better on this situation than he does at his every day job about a sport he played for nearly 20 years.

I don't see many opportunities to give Chuck his props, but this is one of the times.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

dmiles wrote:Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

It is not possible that Obama is anything but a failed racist, socialist, hard left liberal. Any comment he makes is pro-Black and true to his Kenyan roots. Thus this is a stupid and impossible take despite him being skewered by Tavis Smiley.

YahooFanChicago wrote:And like I said, the main thing I feel bad for, it gives every black and white person who is racist a platform to vent their ignorance.

That's the thing that bothers me the most because I watched this trial closely and I watch all these people are television talking about it. A lot of people have a hidden agenda. You know, they want their racist views, whether they are white or black --

Truer words have never been spoken.

The actual events and alleged crime were immediately thrown into the far background.

In Chicago the past few years there have been large numbers of flash mobs almost entirely composed of mid-teens to late teen age African American's. These flash mobs are usually composed of 10-20 teens -- mainly boys but some girls as well. They usually just steal smart phones, purses, wallets and beat some people up.

They are doing this in the best/nicest neighborhoods in Chicago--Michigan Ave, Gold Coast, Loop, Near North Side, South loop, etc..

I am not in Chicago much these days but my neighborhood recently had a murder committed (1/2 block from my house) by a few youths of the description above (not a flash mob but 2-3 youths meeting the description above). This is after many flash mob actions in the neighborhood the past few years. The flash mob stuff is just muggings and strong-arm theft -- not murders though from what I know.

There is a neighborhood blog/site for my neighborhood and lots of recent "advice" on there from people saying what to do if you see large groups of "suspicious looking black youths". The human/decent person in me totally wants to puke when I see racist statements like that. At the same time, the pragmatic, realist in me understands why some people are saying that....fucking conflicted as hell.

The neighborhood part of this of course shouldn't matter since there is a lot worse shit going on in a lot of other places...

YahooFanChicago wrote:There is a neighborhood blog/site for my neighborhood and lots of recent "advice" on there from people saying what to do if you see large groups of "suspicious looking black youths". The human/decent person in me totally wants to puke when I see racist statements like that. At the same time, the pragmatic, realist in me understands why some people are saying that....fucking conflicted as hell.

I think anyone who isn't naive or Ted Nugent is pretty much here with you in this area code.

BTW, the Coventry Family Arts Fair was cancelled for similar concerns.

dmiles wrote:Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

It is not possible that Obama is anything but a failed racist, socialist, hard left liberal. Any comment he makes is pro-Black and true to his Kenyan roots. Thus this is a stupid and impossible take despite him being skewered by Tavis Smiley.

You need to read this forum more before posting.

Ahh Tavis, sticking his neck out there a bit he hasn't done much of that lately that I am aware of (since I haven't heard his name lately anyway).... The bitching is all just setup for shout-fest "news" shows where all the guys in suits and leggy women (Guilfoyle) get to take a side and discuss. Even if they all agree.

dmiles wrote:Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

It is not possible that Obama is anything but a failed racist, socialist, hard left liberal. Any comment he makes is pro-Black and true to his Kenyan roots. Thus this is a stupid and impossible take despite him being skewered by Tavis Smiley.

You need to read this forum more before posting.

Oh c'mon on JB as if BHO doesn't serve some of his own bias with his policy making or support of new policy.

The last cry of a desperate administration and its Hopeless supporters^^^^ aka Gots Nuttin'

Ironic isn't it...that the black man who became president drove the wedge of racial division back to the 60's...??? That he has totally fucking blown the tremendous opportunity he was afforded to bring US together- and all he's accomplished is moneufuckingmental FAIL!

The man's been a constitutional disgrace domestically and a total fucking embarrassment as a world leader who has the respect of absolutely NO ONE!

dmiles wrote:Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

It is not possible that Obama is anything but a failed racist, socialist, hard left liberal. Any comment he makes is pro-Black and true to his Kenyan roots. Thus this is a stupid and impossible take despite him being skewered by Tavis Smiley.

You need to read this forum more before posting.

Oh c'mon on JB as if BHO doesn't serve some of his own bias with his policy making or support of new policy.

Dude's a clown, he part of the worst 16 years of presidency in our lifetime.

FUDU you're not hearing me. You, Terrible Ted, and others have convinced me. This outrage you prove about a POTUS injecting personal opinions into administrative policy is clearly a brand new and insidious threat to the Republic. Its just the latest screw up of a line of screw ups. After the 00's this country should have been quickly on the right track but these disasterous radical departures toward socialism and rapid pacifist military draw downs have also damaged our prestige. Syria should be blown the fuck up in shock and awe months ago and US friendly Iraqi democracy installed.

The one thing I could never groc was if Hussein was so radical left why the radical left keeps skeweing him, with Smiley being the latest. But for years now Maddow, Ed Schultz, "Rev" Al and other have been lambasting his policies and positions as too moderate. But nmow I undertand. They are propping up the myth of his positions so he can ram thru the bigger agenda items like race based discipline policies and ending stand your ground laws in all 50 states. Holder is so skilled that once he's on that it wont be long before its the Kennedys at ole Miss all over again.

so yeah, man, I finally get it. The wisdom and details you have provided over time finally have me seeing the light. Rail on man!

dmiles wrote:Obama's statements seems like a clever way to say "There is no way the DOJ can file a civil rights claim on GZ he is not a racist". At the same time he's appeasing those still angered about the verdict, and trying to show that they with the outcome had been different. Tough call in his shoes, a balancing act.

Hopefully nothing else goes wrong this weekend with some of the protests.

It is not possible that Obama is anything but a failed racist, socialist, hard left liberal. Any comment he makes is pro-Black and true to his Kenyan roots. Thus this is a stupid and impossible take despite him being skewered by Tavis Smiley.

You need to read this forum more before posting.

Oh c'mon on JB as if BHO doesn't serve some of his own bias with his policy making or support of new policy.

Dude's a clown, he part of the worst 16 years of presidency in our lifetime.

FUDU you're not hearing me. You, Terrible Ted, and others have convinced me. This outrage you prove about a POTUS injecting personal opinions into administrative policy is clearly a brand new and insidious threat to the Republic. Its just the latest screw up of a line of screw ups. After the 00's this country should have been quickly on the right track but these disasterous radical departures toward socialism and rapid pacifist military draw downs have also damaged our prestige. Syria should be blown the fuck up in shock and awe months ago and US friendly Iraqi democracy installed.

The one thing I could never groc was if Hussein was so radical left why the radical left keeps skeweing him, with Smiley being the latest. But for years now Maddow, Ed Schultz, "Rev" Al and other have been lambasting his policies and positions as too moderate. But nmow I undertand. They are propping up the myth of his positions so he can ram thru the bigger agenda items like race based discipline policies and ending stand your ground laws in all 50 states. Holder is so skilled that once he's on that it wont be long before its the Kennedys at ole Miss all over again.

so yeah, man, I finally get it. The wisdom and details you have provided over time finally have me seeing the light. Rail on man!

Rand Paul 2016!

Well I don't know to what level you're being serious or sarcastic or both, if the latter I can't help you and only ask that you clarify so I don't lump you in a generalization that I lump most of is cum guzzlers into.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

motherscratcher wrote:Looks like one of the jurors came out and says she made a mistake and Georgiboy was guilty, at least of manslaughter. because that's helpful.

She was confused but held out to the bitter end.

She wants to apologize to TM's parents. But don't worry! God will take care of it later.

Statements like these are not at all self-serving, and good for everyone involved.

Then she shouldn't have caved.

It's part of the deliberation process, and probably happens hundreds of times a day in our justice system. There have been plenty of jurors who walked into deliberation feeling one way and then once instructed on the specifics of the law (and discussing with fellow jurors) left the room feeling much different about the verdict.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

motherscratcher wrote:Looks like one of the jurors came out and says she made a mistake and Georgiboy was guilty, at least of manslaughter. because that's helpful.

She was confused but held out to the bitter end.

She wants to apologize to TM's parents. But don't worry! God will take care of it later.

Statements like these are not at all self-serving, and good for everyone involved.

Then she shouldn't have caved.

It's part of the deliberation process, and probably happens hundreds of times a day in our justice system. There have been plenty of jurors who walked into deliberation feeling one way and then once instructed on the specifics of the law (and discussing with fellow jurors) left the room feeling much different about the verdict.

This isn't 12 Angry Men. She didn't feel one way and then become enlightened by instructions on the specifics of the law. She voted to let the guy off. Left the room and saw the shitstorm. Then changed her mind about the verdict she'd helped render.

I'm not going to say B29 was misquoted...she did say "Zimmerman got away with murder", but it was in response to a leading question that contained the words "Zimmerman got away with murder" See how the news selectively edited her remarks here:

She also said: "I know I went the right way, because by the law and the way it was followed is the way I went."

So she knew Zimmerman killed a guy. Who doesn't? But she followed the law. I can't say it better than James Taranto did yesterday:

B29 turns out to be the very model of civic virtue. She didn’t play God by mistaking her prejudice for omniscience. Instead she put it aside, examined the facts, applied the law, and concluded that the prosecution had failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. She was therefore obliged to find him not guilty, notwithstanding her personal feeling that he was not innocent.

Whether or not it was good form to speak publicly after the trial–and let us note that B29 was not the first Zimmerman juror to do so–she performed the juror’s role flawlessly.

And Lisa Bloom’s suggestion that B29 should have taken the opportunity “to stand her ground in the jury room”–ha ha, “stand her ground,” get it?–is irresponsible and despicable. Bloom is calling for jury nullification of fundamental constitutional rights: the presumption of innocence and the requirement that prosecutors prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here's an explanation from Will Saletan on the reliably lefty website Slate:

We have constitutionally guaranteed rights that protect us from incriminating ourselves (in a system in which innocence is presumed over guilt) and yet b/c a verdict comes out that displeases some people (mainly the media and their sheep) that constitutional right and the concept of innocent UNTIL proven guilty is no longer valid and needs over turned.

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Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

We have constitutionally guaranteed rights that protect us from incriminating ourselves (in a system in which innocence is presumed over guilt) and yet b/c a verdict comes out that displeases some people (mainly the media and their sheep) that constitutional right and the concept of innocent UNTIL proven guilty is no longer valid and needs over turned.

x 1,000,000

Her verdict was spot on.

Unfair situation, horrible case from the prosecution.....all this. But Christ, that was a very clear judicial decision.

She's a bigger buffoon if she votes him guilty.

This looks an awful lot like she's trying to shed the "Uncle Tom" tag that a bunch of morons will try to put on her.

We have constitutionally guaranteed rights that protect us from incriminating ourselves (in a system in which innocence is presumed over guilt) and yet b/c a verdict comes out that displeases some people (mainly the media and their sheep) that constitutional right and the concept of innocent UNTIL proven guilty is no longer valid and needs over turned.

x 1,000,000

Her verdict was spot on.

Unfair situation, horrible case from the prosecution.....all this. But Christ, that was a very clear judicial decision.

She's a bigger buffoon if she votes him guilty.

This looks an awful lot like she's trying to shed the "Uncle Tom" tag that a bunch of morons will try to put on her.

And just to be clear, here, my point (my only point) was that this idiot should have just shut the fuck up. Just shut up. There's nothing that she could have said to make anyone feel any better about the situation.

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".