Reality check: all this talk about SED is interesting and I look forward to seeing these advances

But the fact is that LCD and plasma sets are becoming low cost commodities with greatly improved performance:

I just don't see SED as being a commercial success in this market

With Pioneer showing a 20,000 to 1 contrast Plasma, scheduled for next year, and all the improvements in LCD technology, the greater the obstacles to overcome are looming for SED. That is why I drew attention to the emerging Laser TV models. If they eliminate the DLP rainbow effects, have no burn-in issues, and can come close to the performance specs , and price range that they are claiming, you soon reach the consumer tipping point where the vast majority of the working class says this looks good enough and the price is right.

This of course does not apply to you Auditor55, since you have been SEDuced, and are so besotted by the display of your dreams, that you will stay for ever SED enthralled!.

Wrong!. No DLP involved. Laser Chips. Three of them, for RGB. That is what Mitsubishi has revealed so far.

If Laser TV's are rear projection, won't they have the same problems that other rear projections have when it comes to viewing angle? If your not right in front of it and sitting down, the picture quality pretty much stinks.

This of course does not apply to you Auditor55, since you have been SEDuced, and are so besotted by the display of your dreams, that you will stay for ever SED enthralled!.

You're kidding right? If this Laser TV by Mitsubishi and Samsung comes in with great blacks and everything else they are touting, with 50 inch sets costing 1k, I'm all over it like white on rice. I might be excited about SED but I'm no fool.

You're kidding right? If this Laser TV by Mitsubishi and Samsung comes in with great blacks and everything else they are touting, with 50 inch sets costing 1k, I'm all over it like white on rice. I might be excited about SED but I'm no fool.

What!. I am shocked, shocked I tell you. After all the times you have proclaimed your undying love and dedication to Ms. SEDie, now you are willing to kick her to the curb for the first cheap floozie that comes along!.

You're kidding right? If this Laser TV by Mitsubishi and Samsung comes in with great blacks and everything else they are touting, with 50 inch sets costing 1k, I'm all over it like white on rice. I might be excited about SED but I'm no fool.

Just the right kind of quirky malfunction, and your retinas will sizzle. :eek:

Good choice for those going Green. Ed Begley Jr. has one on order. Allows you to disconnect from the power grid, and avoid all salacious telecast material. I believe that Focus on the Family , and the Amish give it their, "keep your eyes closed", seal of approval. ;)

"They enable less costly microdisplay panels. Our sources project all of their light onto even the smallest microdisplays without a reduction in coupling efficiency. Reducing microdisplay size reduces their cost. "

"What if you had 1,000 lumens available for your RPTV? Necsel sources do just that. "

"Application to projection display is the first opportunity for mass market followed by specialty lighting"

What!. I am shocked, shocked I tell you. After all the times you have proclaimed your undying love and dedication to Ms. SEDie, now you are willing to kick her to the curb for the first cheap floozie that comes along!.

Auditor55, You Fickle Slut!. :D

I'm not kicking SED to the curb, unlike you, I have an open mind. For 1k I can put it in my bedroom while still waiting for the most holiest of grails, SED. :) . However, if laser tv has poor blacks I would buy one from a 5 and dime store.

"They enable less costly microdisplay panels. Our sources project all of their light onto even the smallest microdisplays without a reduction in coupling efficiency. Reducing microdisplay size reduces their cost. "

"What if you had 1,000 lumens available for your RPTV? Necsel sources do just that. "

"Application to projection display is the first opportunity for mass market followed by specialty lighting"

It is hard to say if they are really a RPTV in the way that it has always been understood to be. Tech details are still sketchy, but the press report, from the Demo in Australia, said that they are going to be thinner than Plasma panels. I will try and track more specifics on how that can be , as they are published. People attending CES in January should be able to obtain answers for many of the currently unanswerable questions.

If you read deeper you'll find they're cheating on the "thinner than plasma" claim. They're counting the footprint of the typical plasma table top stand, about 15". These aren't thinner than the typical plasma panel itself.

The material I've read says these are RPTV's using DLP but the light source is the 3 chip laser instead of the typical projector bulb, or LED's.
It requires some digging, searching, and putting together bits of info from here and there to the get a more complete picture.

[quote=greenland]It is hard to say if they are really a RPTV in the way that it has always been understood to be. Tech details are still sketchy, but the press report, from the Demo in Australia, said that they are going to be thinner than Plasma panels. QUOTE]

This still stands. if they are going to have a display that is thinner than a Plasma panel, they certainly do not seem to fit into the deep bulky display catagory that RPTV models have been to date. Even the shallow DLP sets are not anywhere near as slim as Plasma. So, we shall see if they do bring a thinner than Plasma panel to market. It is the one that Mitsu built for the Demo in Australia this week. How it is done, I have not uncovered any tech. details on yet. Perhaps they may be going with a slim panel attached by cable or cables to an electronics box. Any more specifics that are uncovered, please add.

If you read deeper you'll find they're cheating on the "thinner than plasma" claim. They're counting the footprint of the typical plasma table top stand, about 15". These aren't thinner than the typical plasma panel itself.

The material I've read says these are RPTV's using DLP but the light source is the 3 chip laser instead of the typical projector bulb, or LED's.
It requires some digging, searching, and putting together bits of info from here and there to the get a more complete picture.

It sounds interesting, none the less.

There may be some confusion about how chip-laser technology is being applied by different manufacturers. In earlier trial models some companies were trying to substitute the chip-lasers RGB for the color wheel and bulbs in DLP sets. This recent model, using the Aussie Company's technology, appears to be different. They say that they are going to even apply it to mobile phone displays. That means that it must work in a very shallow container, or else they plan on some weird Aussie DNA tricks to provide us all with marsupial pouches in which to store our sixteen inch deep cell phones. :)

Golly, yet another deliberately toned down plasma image to show the remarkable improvement of yet another technology. Yes, it never ends. But hey, is that a considerable red push on that laser image? Wow, looks like this technology has too much red push for me!! :rolleyes:

Could Laser TV be another hurdle for SED ?
Reports say half the price of LCD/Plasma's. Available from Mitsubishi and Samsung Late 2007.
At least these will be affordable if they actually make it to market.

Good point! I believe external temperature can be set in the config menu. It's strange how stores leave the panels on default settings as they look so much worse when they're all frosted up. When you take one home and set it properly you'll see a big difference in PQ.

Sounds great!. But of course this brings us to the three main questions: 1) Will it have burn-in problems?. 2) Will it be available for the 2008 Summer Olympics, and 3) Will North Korea be allowed to have it?. :)