If you guys want background checks, you'll have to stop misusing them to block law-abiding people from buying guns. And you'll have to stop trying to slip an illicit gun registration plot into the background check system.

If you guys ignore the way you're abusing the background check system and just try to pass the same load of crap again, you'll suffer the same legislative defeat all over again.

Although, let's get real. Obama just blew all of his political capital in this futile assault against the NRA, and now he's got nothing left to do anything at all with his second term. The only reason he's even got a hope of immigration reform is because the Republicans want it more than he does.

And after four years of an ineffective do-nothing presidency, the voters are going to put a Republican in the White House in 2016.

It's going to be a very long time before anyone tries nonsense like this again.

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small ammo clips

"Small" is somewhat vague. If magazines are limited so much that self-defense is impeded, that's unconstitutional.

And if the limits do not impede self defense, then police and law enforcement should be required to abide by the same restrictions. After all, if a gun is good enough for self defense, it is also good enough for police work.

I suspect that even if you kept the magazine sizes viable for self defense, and you required police and law enforcement to abide by them, the NRA would still say no. But without first including both of those things in your measure, its chances of passing are less than zero.

edgarblythe wrote:

and outlawing assault weapons.

In other words, you want to violate people's civil rights, and for no reason other than the joy you get from violating their rights.

Sorry. You don't get to do that.

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maxdancona

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Sat 20 Apr, 2013 07:32 am

@H2O MAN,

We have a dedicated professional police force that did an amazing job. That was more than enough.

The reason I don't own a gun, it seemed more dangerous, not less, having one. It seemed necessary to take it out and confront situations on occasion, though I never actually shot at anybody. Not having a gun, these occasions have not once presented themselves to me and I actually feel safer.

Edgar gets it.
I was talking with a cop out in Oklahoma several years ago, he said he was always glad to know that particular households did not have any guns. Why? I said. He said it was like this: If you give a hammer to some people, they start looking around for something to hammer.

People with guns have a tendency to shoot people with those guns instead of working things out.
(We could study that more closely but the NRA has blocked research into the psychology of gun ownership. )

First, when you buy a gun, the chance killing someone you love, like a family member, dramatically increases. Americans die every year because of misuse – such as a child finding a gun and playing with it, or someone accidentally firing it when they didn’t know it was loaded. And obviously gun usage is not something inherently wrong with Americans. One Canadian, 40-year-old Dale Whitmell, was in the news recently when he accidentally shot himself in the face while trying to kill a mouse (don’t ask). He’s now going to court; not because Mickey is suing for attempted murder, but because he was careless with a deadly weapon.

According to statistics gathered from 2005, there were around 800 unintended deaths from guns. Intended deaths reached over 9000 in 2009. Ultimately, the only positive thing to report about America’s gun-violence rates is that the number is gradually lowering.

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oralloy

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Sat 20 Apr, 2013 01:05 pm

@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

oralloy wrote:

These guys robbed a 7/11 and then laid in wait to gun down the first police officer that they saw.

I'll let you figure out the flaw in your logic there on your own.

There is no flaw. I merely pointed out what those two did, to demonstrate how ruthless they were.

If they had decided to break into a home and massacre the people therein, those people would have been doomed without a means to defend themselves.

Anyway, it won't be too much longer before the federal courts start striking down Massachusetts' unconstitutional gun laws. You'll still be free to be defenseless if you like, but pretty soon you won't be able to impose defenselessness on anyone else.