originally posted by: Grimpachi
The way he answered that issue was ignorant and horrible I am certain that he lost tons of votes over it. If there was nothing else in his entire run
that was bad that by itself would have lost him the race.

I missed the first part of the debate, and therefore whatever was said. what was said?

Basically, elect him and he will install judges to overturn roe vs wade.

transcript of debate It is
worth reading it will make you laugh. Then you may get depressed when you come to the realization that those are the two that can become president.

He burned so many possible voters last night that I think it is like everyone is saying that he is trying to build a viewer base for his TV channel
because he sure wasn't trying to earn new votes.

So painful heart attacks, strokes, seizures, struggling for every breath, and unable to eat are something you would say is ok to put a newborn
through? You'd chose that for your son? Your daughter? Your dog?

Suffering is a fundamental and unavoidable element of the human experience, but then so is bliss. Who are you to decide that the child's experiences
and observations between heart attacks and strokes won't be worth the heart attacks and strokes to the child?

originally posted by: Puppylove
Non-issue on either side. Is purely a smoke and mirrors issue. Abortion issue voters are the most out of touch voters because they are deluded
enough to actually believe this is still a real issue. It doesn't matter who wins, none of them are touching it, they don't care. They know abortion
issue voters will vote based on it even though it's been a non issue for ever now.

Non issue?

Then why is it the litmus test for the GOP...?...pro life or get out of the Republican party. That's not a non issue!

I feel kind of bad for the Republican Party this issue has been a thorn in the side of the republican party for a long time, and they have no good way
to get out of it. I don't feel that bad though both parties should be destroyed anyway. All the abortion issue is, is a good smear tactic for the
Democrats to use against the Republicans knowing they are backed into a corner on this issue.

BS....It was the Silent Majority, Republican Christian Right that created this issue to try and win converts. It blew up in their face.

Notice even on this very Thread it's the conservatives that brought it up. They just won't learn apparently.

Donald Trump certainly didn't help the cause with his dumbass statements. Rigged, my azz....time to take some responsibility for running a
thoughtless, halfassed, divisive campaign. It didn't work for palin/mcCain, It didn't work for Mitt and it won't work for Trump. Crybabies....

Even though I work for the GOP, and am still a registered Republican...perhaps that's why I can see their faults and foolish strategy. The Local
office I work for is composed of fine straight up Republicans. Perhaps Trump might follow their lead instead of being a misogynist creep.

Anyway they provide a beautiful office/studio for me and the crew, $$$$ and I'm thankful for that.

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
Hillary could not deny that the law gives the ability to take the baby 1 day before birth.

"That is not what happens in these cases" is what she said.

Donald clearly pointed out only god has that right.

This just gave me the creeps about her even more.

The Don's ignorance and willingness to promotes ignorance regarding women's health and procreation issues is stunning, and his position on those
issues is a deal breaker for American women across the board.

Honestly my only take is the father should be given, like the mother some time to decide whether or not to absolve themselves of all responsibility,
and that the mother should be required to give them that opportunity.

If the father within the time allotted chooses to absolve themselves of all responsibility they also abort all rights to the child in any way. No
child support owed and no rights to the child.

If the mother has the choice to have or not have the child, to take responsibility or not take responsibility. The father should have the same
choice. If the mother knowing the father has absolved himself chooses to carry to term it's her choice and her responsibility alone, she doesn't get
to against his will force responsibility on him, and rob him for 18 years.

The woman has the choice to absolve responsibility, not carry the child, determine to put the child up for adoption, any damn thing she practically
wants. While the father is 100% confined to taking responsibility for her choice no matter what it is.

I'm pro-choice. I however, believe that to be fair and just, the father needs to have their right to choose respected as well. He can't decide
whether the mother aborts or not, etc, but he should damn well at least have the opportunity to absolve himself before the child is born while the
mother still has the choice as well.

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