So now attempting to compare a young child's natural death to abortion??

No. I'm comparing the ludicrous idea that an embryo or fetus can consent to how its remains will be handled, with the idea that an 18 month old can
consent to how its remains will be handled upon its death.

It's silly to be outraged at the lack of consent of an embryo or a fetus!

wait you mean PP dont get the fetus to sign a consent form??...i thought it was the fetus! and the whole time its actually the mother

does it say on the fetal donation form that PP may or may not make a profit?

Abortion is legal, and a woman has the right to decide when and if she wants a family. If a woman chooses to abort, that legal and not immoral. If she
wants to donate that aborted result, that is also her prerogative.

Try looking at it like this.

Slavery is legal, and a man has the right to decide when and if he wants slaves. If a man chooses to own, that is legal and not immoral. If he wants
to donate/sell/whatever his slave(s), that is his prerogative.

If it was a danger to the mother or the child, the abortion WOULDNT be taking place at PP , It would be in an ER or Hospital facility.....

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible with
life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

Many of those kinds of late term abortions are done at PP clinics.

She said it is a rare form of dwarfism. “Oh, so our baby will be a dwarf.” The air was so thick. Pointing at the first word she said
“thanatophoric” means “imminent death”. WHAT?? What do you mean??? My head was screaming, even though the room was completely silent.

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She said that the hospital refers all abortions procedures to the Planned Parenthood’s health center where abortions are still available.

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Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure
at Planned Parenthood. She said there is a clinic in Chicago who could see me in a few days. If they assessed that the baby was too big, then I
would have to go to Kansas.

.............

Friday morning, lying on my hotel bed, my partner and our moms all laid their hands on my belly. We said prayers. We said goodbye. Goodbye baby
boy. Goodbye Evan.

a reply to: Lostinthedarkness
maybe we are talking about different laws then....
here's what I am talking about

At least 38 of the 50 states across America have introduced foetal homicide laws that were intended to protect pregnant women and their unborn
children from violent attacks by third parties – usually abusive male partners – but are increasingly being turned by renegade prosecutors against
the women themselves. South Carolina was one of the first states to introduce such a foetal homicide law. National Advocates for Pregnant Women has
found only one case of a South Carolina man who assaulted a pregnant woman having been charged under its terms, and his conviction was eventually
overturned. Yet the group estimates there have been up to 300 women arrested for their actions during pregnancy.

A woman's eggs, whether they are fertilized or not, are hers, part of her body. Abortion is nothing remotely like salvery, it's more like
evicting an unwelcome guest. Forcing women to abort or to carry an unwanted pregnancy, now that is slavery!

originally posted by: windword
I'm comparing the ludicrous idea that an embryo or fetus can consent to how its remains will be handled, with the idea that an 18 month old can
consent to how its remains will be handled upon its death.

One difference that comes to mind immediately and therefore makes your
comparison invalid: in the natural death of a young child, both parents
would have a legal right to make all decisions.

A law deems it to be a only woman's legal right to abort an
offspring of two people, it does not make it a moral thing to do so.

If it was a danger to the mother or the child, the abortion WOULDNT be taking place at PP , It would be in an ER or Hospital facility.....

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible with
life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

Many of those kinds of late term abortions are done at PP clinics.

She said it is a rare form of dwarfism. “Oh, so our baby will be a dwarf.” The air was so thick. Pointing at the first word she said
“thanatophoric” means “imminent death”. WHAT?? What do you mean??? My head was screaming, even though the room was completely silent.

..............

She said that the hospital refers all abortions procedures to the Planned Parenthood’s health center where abortions are still available.

..............

Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure
at Planned Parenthood. She said there is a clinic in Chicago who could see me in a few days. If they assessed that the baby was too big, then I
would have to go to Kansas.

.............

Friday morning, lying on my hotel bed, my partner and our moms all laid their hands on my belly. We said prayers. We said goodbye. Goodbye baby
boy. Goodbye Evan.

Our counselor called with more had bad news. To comply with Wisconsin’s 24 hour waiting period law, I would be too far along to have the procedure
at Planned Parenthood.

imminent death meant imminent death of the baby, that wouldnt be a risk to the mother, and if the baby died inside then a normal abortion would have
been the result....so basically you just gave us one example of a woman who terminated her pregnancy because the baby was dying....no risk to her
health and no risk to her dead baby

A woman's eggs, whether they are fertilized or not, are hers, part of her body. Abortion is nothing remotely like salvery, it's more like
evicting an unwelcome guest. Forcing women to abort or to carry an unwanted pregnancy, now that is slavery!

Your argument is that abortion is LEGAL. So was slavery. Does ''legal'' make something just?

Yeah, that's right. I posted a woman's testimonial. You have a problem with her testimony? You're quick to accept disgruntled employees with
agendas uncorroborated testimony.

You don't believe situations like that happen? Would you deny that woman an abortion? Would you prefer she waited until the distressed fetus caused
her to go into septic shock?

yes I do have a problem with a random blog stating something........

and yes I do take videos of people who WORK for planned parenthood stating things and explaining things in detail , FAR more in credit, than a random
blog.......that, even so, btw proved my point.........

Wait lol so now youre trying to move the goalpost from what you were claiming earlier that PP mainly does abortions for mother or child in danger of
death .... to "yeah ok youre right but would you prefer her to go into sepsis"

Again point proven even at that stage would have to have been done SOME WHERE ELSE

planned parenthood can only do abortions up to 23 wks im sure which is 2nd trimester, no 3rd term abortions are carried out at pp even if the mothers
life is at risk....that would be hospital referral so you are correct

Same with "harvesting" FOR PROFIT via Planned Parenthood..."gee, if we can schedule her abortion TWO WEEKS from now, instead of tomorrow, think of the
organs will get!" Never, ever discount human greed.

And, this is brings to mind the practice of "consulting" or "counseling" that
is provided with the practice of abortion at Planned Parenthood?

Are these so called consultants required to provided non biased objective
counseling? Are they trained to refrain from entering into the dollar equation?

Since you are so familiar with the "medical field", then you would know that many women who have been given "Imminent death" or "incompatible
with life" diagnosis on their wanted babies, would choose abort before their life IS actually at risk!

so basically you just gave us one example of a woman who terminated her pregnancy because the baby was dying....no risk to her health and no risk to
her dead baby

Your ignorance is astounding. Please go get a medical degree before you declare what is and what isn't a risky pregnancy!

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