StrangeQ:I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for

That was what I did but the quest to destroy the Dark Brotherhood was so disappointing that I reloaded a save and killed all three prisoners just so I could have something to do.

SuperChuck:StrangeQ: I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for

That was what I did but the quest to destroy the Dark Brotherhood was so disappointing that I reloaded a save and killed all three prisoners just so I could have something to do.

I never even bothered...shortly after that I hit that tipping point in smithing/enchanting where encounters go from requiring a tactical and clever approach to charging in and wildly swing your double penetration skullfarker of doom until everything in the room is dead and properly sodomized, and after that things just aren't as fun anymore.

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

limeyfellow:Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.

NeoCortex42:limeyfellow: Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.

Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

BumpInTheNight:Cup_O_Jo: LOL>>>>> Started Skyrim about a month ago. I was scared of Dragons for like a week. Now I am at level 30 and really last night thought "is this as hard as it gets"---Apparently was not the only one. Bethesda says HAPPY HOLIDAYS heres an annoyawarrior./feel like I am missing something

Thar be tougher foes then the dragons...[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x251]

Actually the ones that really got my goat were the dragon-priests, at least until I could double enchant all my gear to be resistant to everything simultaneously.

By the time I got my sneak, archery and smithing up to 100, I was able to just sneak into the final chambers and just kill the bastards with an arrow.

CygnusDarius:StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.

I'll have to keep an eye on that. Even though I own Skyrim on 360, I'd gladly rebuy it on PC if Skywind turns out worthwhile.

The Morrowind interface was an awful mess, though mostly due to the inventory screen being one giant grid (sorting tabs would've fixed that up well enough)

It makes sense to split it up somewhat, but I have to agree that Skyrim's is a bit too simplified (and I'm even on console.) Also, Beth please add the sort categories to containers. It's painful scrolling through a chest with a few hundred items. Fallout had this, so why doesn't Skyrim?

mokinokaro:The Morrowind interface was an awful mess, though mostly due to the inventory screen being one giant grid (sorting tabs would've fixed that up well enough)

It makes sense to split it up somewhat, but I have to agree that Skyrim's is a bit too simplified (and I'm even on console.) Also, Beth please add the sort categories to containers. It's painful scrolling through a chest with a few hundred items. Fallout had this, so why doesn't Skyrim?

It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

mooseyfate:It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

Since you were obviously a retard before you picked up the controller, I'm not surprised you didn't notice a difference.

mooseyfate:It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

Yeah, damn, I'll just have to play on my PC, which loads much faster, is easier to control, has better graphics, and can be easily modded.

Sid_6.7:mooseyfate: It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

Yeah, damn, I'll just have to play on my PC, which loads much faster, is easier to control, has better graphics, and can be easily modded.

Oh, and the games are cheaper.

So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

/why do people post these "Ha, Ha! Gotcha!" comments when it's pretty obvious that I enjoy both platforms for playing video-games?//How DARE I play 360 games and PC games!? What the fark is wrong with me?! It's almost like I'm more interested in playing games than I am in being a loyalist to inanimate objects!

mooseyfate:So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.

scottydoesntknow:mooseyfate: So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.

Meh, people get that way when something they view as superior to alternatives is either dissed by others or is shown a complete lack of interest. See: Every Apple thread, ever.

CygnusDarius:StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.

Thats cool looking but ultimately pretty dumb. The games take place centuries apart from each other. It just doesn't make sense that your rolled character could quest through those games. Particularly vexing since events in Morrowind and Oblivion set the stage for what occurs in Skyrim. How could you be doing those quests simultaneously? hm? exactly! Unless they included a quest to retrieve an Elder Scroll that upon being read by a moth priest would transport you magically to the events of those times.

NeoCortex42:My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Eh, I had a ring that did that.

The impressive bit was my set of gear that gave me 100% sanctuary and magicka absorb. It made the game about as much fun as watching snails fark on drying paint, though.

Le Grand Inquisitor:CygnusDarius: StrangeQ: Well the map apparently extends into Vvardenfell as people using editors have found out, so I'm still hoping that someone with way too much time on their hands is working on recreating it.

Then you might be interested in this.

Thats cool looking but ultimately pretty dumb. The games take place centuries apart from each other. It just doesn't make sense that your rolled character could quest through those games. Particularly vexing since events in Morrowind and Oblivion set the stage for what occurs in Skyrim. How could you be doing those quests simultaneously? hm? exactly! Unless they included a quest to retrieve an Elder Scroll that upon being read by a moth priest would transport you magically to the events of those times.

Strangely enough, looking for moth priests, then the white gold tower, and then the white gold concordat, I found this.

Copperbelly watersnake:The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.

You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.

Sid_6.7:Copperbelly watersnake: The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.

You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.

One advantage of consoles is ease of use. I can get any 360 game and it will work with my system. I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files. After dealing with Oblivion crashing more than playing at launch, I decided I was perfectly happy getting Skyrim on 360.

Sid_6.7:Copperbelly watersnake: The purist seem to forget some people have to spend money on things other than their video cards.

You have to also look at the costs compared to a PC.

If someone has an X-Box Live account, that's what, $5/month?

Each new game costs about $10 more than on PC.

So if someone buys only five games per year for PC instead of console, one could save $50. An extra $60 to represent not paying for X-Box live for that year, and that's $110/year easy to put into upgrading a PC to stay current. The more games you buy, the better off you are. Also, it's far more likely you can still play those games again if you want to in 5 to 10 years after the next gen consoles come out.

Most people already have a PC anyway, so it's money you can spend to get a better PC, and use it for gaming.

Of course, some people are happy playing the Halo series, and think it's the best thing that ever has been made, so they're more than pleased to stick with X-Box.

Many people either don't have the required know-how to do those things, or are simply too lazy to keep up with such things. This is to be expected of the country that brought you the Snuggy. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's where we're at.

NeoCortex42:limeyfellow: Bukharin: CygnusDarius: Things I'd like to see for Skyrim:

1.- To help the Forsworn (not just in one mission, but an entire story arc. I liked the Forsworn, actually).

2.- To bring down the Thalmor (I'd like that a lot).

and vice versa, more political options.Empire or rebellion, Forsworn or Thalmor, Hell, you should be able to be evil and farking rule the dragons instead of being a dragon slayer- farking kill the blades.

Morrowind was far more active with the politics than Oblivion and Skyrim and I do miss that. The various groups would clash with one another. There was no take over every single guild and rule everything because your choices matter far more. I wish they would bring that back.

My favorite memory of Morrowind is how broken some of the abilities were. Thanks to enchanting, I had permanent invisibility and flight. It ended up being a lot of fun since dungeon bosses would constantly taunt you while you were invisible and pillaging the dungeon.

Also, eventually building my character up enough to take out Vivec.I would love it if someone could recreate the entirety of Morrowind with the Skyrim engine.

NeoCortex42:Sid_6.7: Copperbelly watersnake:One advantage of consoles is ease of use. I can get any 360 game and it will work with my system. I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files. After dealing with Oblivion crashing more than playing at launch, I decided I was perfectly happy getting Skyrim on 360.

I think BF 1942 was the last time I had to modify a config file. That was 10 years ago.

I can't remember the last time I had a driver issue causing a crash. I remember lots of crashes as the result of the game not being properly QA'd, but a driver? I can't think of one back past my 9500 unlocked to a 9800 pro. Sometime newer drivers increased performance, but they never made a game unplayable.

For video cards, since I built my first gaming rig I've had a Hercules Prophet II 64 MB, I swapped it for 7500 pro. I swapped that for the 9500 (flashed to a 9800), that went in exchange for a 8800 GTS 640 MB, which went for a GTX 570. That's 5 cards over more than 10 years, so about 2 years per card. I sold the old ones and paid for more than half of new one with that. Except the 8800. I got married and my wife runs that one in her rig so it's still going

As for the rest of my box, I've had all the guts the same since '08 - q6600, 4x 500 GB in RAID 5, 8 GB of DDR2. It's not the fastest thing out there but I'm 5 years into it with no plans to replace it. I can play everything that's coming out today at high to max settings. I haven't had to touch the OS since I upgraded from Vista to 7 pro x64. I play with friends who have i7s w/ SSD RAID 0 who load games about twice as fast as I do, but there's not a huge difference once in.

I'm not completely against consoles as I have a Wii, 360, and PS3. But those are for when someone brings their kids over or I'm playing with mine. It's more for social occasions. But for me, thumbsticks suck, DX 11 is MUCH prettier than DX 9, and there's

chewy milk:StrangeQ: NeoCortex42: I don't have to worry about video cards, drivers, or config files.

Wow, I had no idea we had been transported back to 1995

/better go check my IRQ settings

God you're a douche

Well I guess that means my day is complete.

/think I might have to start a new save game tonight...and on that note, doesn't anyone know of a good save file management mod since the vanilla save files organization method makes about as much sense as the in-game container organization?

Nick Spiceyweiner:Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

StrangeQ:Nick Spiceyweiner: Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining people that actually enjoy quality products lamenting about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be games have become watered down shadows of their true potential due to cross platform porting, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot explainations of exactly how console ports are piss poor representations of what the game could be if it was designed with a PC first in mind.

Nick Spiceyweiner:Why do I even click on these links expecting there to be some conversation about the game that is referred to in the title up top. All these threads end up being is a bunch of douches whining about how they didn't make the game the way THEY wanted it to be, and then endless pc douche bags that want to tell you how your a complete moron for not playing on a computer like they prefer and they are better than you in every way and have huge johnsons to boot.