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Like I've said before, I think Roy needs to be a Dikembe Mutombo type center with a slightly better offensive game. Mutombo averaged 9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.8 bpg for his career. If he can anchor the D and average those numbers then he's worth the money.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

Like I've said before, I think Roy needs to be a Dikembe Mutombo type center with a slightly better offensive game. Mutombo averaged 9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.8 bpg for his career. If he can anchor the D and average those numbers then he's worth the money.

Well Roy is avg., I think, 9.5ppg, 10.3rpg, and, 2.6bpg so maybe compared to Mutombo his numbers are meeting expectations.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

Like I've said before, I think Roy needs to be a Dikembe Mutombo type center with a slightly better offensive game. Mutombo averaged 9.8 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.8 bpg for his career. If he can anchor the D and average those numbers then he's worth the money.

Dikembe also shot 52% from the field....which is probably where most of the concern with Roy is coming from this year as he struggles to shoot even 40% which is pretty scary for a center....even more alarming is that a great deal of those shots are point-blank putback attempts that one would normally need to try pretty hard to miss...yet....

The day will come when the Pacers have to do something with Roy and his contract. Hes definitely a valuable player and person for any team...the problem is hes just not a max type player. And overpaying players is only going to handicap teams that much more as we move into the new luxury tax era. But that day wont come this season. But after this season and definitely after the following season the Pacers will have to listen very carefully to any and all offers for Roy-if there are any...

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Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

I have a feeling Roy is going to return to his old-self on offence soon. He has been able to get to the rim which was my complaint last year. Once those touch shots start falling Roy will be worth the $. His defense has been great, his offence not so great, but Vogel still likes to run the offence through him a lot . I think one or the other has to give. Continue the way things are and wait for Roy to come out of his slump, or let Roy get his the majority of his offensive touches from rebounds and put backs. I would prefer the latter lately.

This is basically my only complaint about Vogel. But it also may be what makes him such a good coach. Its not like we are the eighth seed trying to stay with the top of the pack. And If Roy brings his FG% up, look out! I'll trust Frank. Hibbert has been getting the ball more often then not 5 feet from the rim or closer. That wasn't the case last year.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

Not all discussion are created equal. But you are right this is a discussion board, and people are free to discuss topics how they see fit within the allowance of the owners. That means he can discuss the topic by saying your topic is stupid and not worth discussing. As long as the owner allows it his post is just as valid as your post.

I will respectfully disagree here in one sense. People can disagree, but I don't think calling someone's post stupid is going to accomplish anything about civil dialogue. As to the posters who's reactions the OP was discourage by, if you read his post he says he's not advocating trading Hibbert, just curious as to what his trade value might be and who would be interested.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

Not all discussion are created equal. But you are right this is a discussion board, and people are free to discuss topics how they see fit within the allowance of the owners. That means he can discuss the topic by saying your topic is stupid and not worth discussing. As long as the owner allows it his post is just as valid as your post.

This is one of the main reasons I (and i'm sure many more) are more just readers of Pacerdigest than frequent posters. I've followed this board since back in 2004 05 and just now started posting more frequently. I didnt even make an account until a couple months ago. The OP had this idea that he would have liked to get other great Pacers fans opinions on ande he gets greeted with "your topic is stupid and not worth discussing" So now i almost bet he is more likely to go back to just reading than participating in these discussions in fear of his opinion being "stupid". I tell you what, if you dont have the same opinion as some of these PDers or you think outside of the box then they sure know how to make you feel like your opinion or ideas are unwelcome here.

Note: There are only a few members here that act this way from what i have read over the years. Most of the people i have came to know and talk to on here are great and i love having/reading the discussions on this board. Sometimes its just a select few who can ruin a discussion. And i'm all for everyone having thier opinions and i love hearing all the different opinions...thats what makes this board the best. But some people go overboard..."stupid" and "Not worth discussing" C'mon Man!

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

I'm wondering, (not advocating) if there are teams who would like to have Roy! I like Roy, his d and his pr, however is it possible we trade him before the deadline? I realize he is having an issue with his hand/back spasms, and this question is not really about what we would get in return, but rather, is it wise to go a different direction now? We could manage without him and losing his contract would free us up for this summer. I think Ian M. could do just fine. Thoughts?

I came back to answer your first question. IMO there are several teams that would like to trade for Roy at the deadline to anchor their defense for the season and jplayoff runs. However, I don't really see the Pacers trading him away and starting ober at this point. IF we can't keep West, and/or Danny is not healthy enough to return to form, we may find ourselves having to trade Roy for parts to reload the team. I'm a fairly new poster myself and understand the reaction you had to some of the posts. Hang in there, questions are almost always good.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

I rest my case...... I have observed many times that the people who really are trolls are the ones who constantly call other people trolls and they are the ones who should be banned in my opinion...... So someone disagrees with you. Welcome to the real world......

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

So a lot of people just apparently ignore what Roy does on Defense huh?

That's not what's happening here. We're saying regardless of how great he's been defensively, his offense is making his contract look bad. No one will trade value for Roy right now. If he doesn't get back to at least last years level offensively he'll end up a bad contract. When you're getting paid the max, you gotta do more than play D.

People keep trying to compare him to Chandler and Gasol, but I'm not seeing it. Chandler shot 65% the year Dallas won it. They're both clearly better players right now.

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Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

[1] No one would trade for Roy, [2] and if the Pacers could trade Roy they would not. [3] I would trade Roy in one to two seasons if he does not improve. Of course, such a trade would be difficult. [4] I believe that Roy will improve. Although he may not improve this season, I believe Roy will return to his former form.

Re: Thoughts on the appeal of Roy Hibbert to other teams?

For those who have found hope in Paul George, remember this: no man is an island. While stars win games, teams win championships. There is a reason LeBron left Cleveland. Among the many reasons, Cleveland was not committed to building a team suitable for LeBron to win a championship. In addition, the same thing could be said about countless other stars. While the Roy deal was controversial, at times holding is as good of a move as folding.