Transportation. What Do You Plan To Use?

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You may have a selection of transportation vehicles, including boats & aircraft. Can you share your ideas on transportation; what you have, what you plan to use & why? Images would also be good if you are able.
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I look at transportation much as I do any other part of my survival plans. One is none, Two is a few and three MIGHT get you there. I have trucks but know that their use might be a problem either by failure due to EMP, no fuel available or the roads just too packed for it to be practical.

Backup for me is hopefully going to be an older motorcycle in the 250cc size or smaller. That will make any available fuel last longer and can go in the ditches and side of the road if the roads are blocked.

Backup for the back up is bicycles. We have several of them already along with tubes, repair kits and tools to keep them going.

Several years ago I had need for a way to haul stuff over a fairly long distance for fishing. I made what is basically like a rickshaw out of a light weight wheel chair. With it I can carry several hundred pounds of stuff fairly easily. I also have several wagons around for gardening and even a Radio Flyer.

Being in Texas we will have the option of horses. We have lots and lots of them here and I've owned horses off and on most of my life. We also have a lot of cattle and especially long horns make decent draft animals. I used to have an old friend that even had a big longhorn steer that he rode in parades and such. Their back is a lot like a mules so a mule saddle worked on it. You don't want to ride a mule bare back very far!

If I lived in town I would probably want a long board. When I was a kid I loved riding the hills in Dallas on home made long skate boards. If I was younger I might even want roller blades.

The ability to get from point A to point B in a short period of time is important and going to be something that is going to be greatly compromised.

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We hope to be able to stay where we are in the forest, but from necessity we have several 4WD vehicles, all diesel.
My Triton ute.
My wife's Hilux.
Our Triton truck.
Our duel rear wheel 4WD diesel tractor. This has a boom attachment for the rear, & a bucket for the front. The boom can lift a heavy load, & the bucket holds more than a large wheelbarrow (we have two large wheelbarrows).
My boat. A flat bottomed punt, capable of carrying a heavy load plus probably four adults. We could load this with gear & my grandchildren, & the adults could walk along the creek bank using the trolley & the drag cart.
A trekking trolley that I made.
A Welsh Drag Cart that I made, also known as an Irish slide car.
Keith.

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moving about either during or post SHTF in Britain may be a problem.
first off all the filling stations will be empty within 24 hours so we will have lots of sheeple vehicles blocking the roads either out of fuel and broken down from road collisions.
secondly TPTB, if they still exist, have a plan to ban civilian traffic on all motorways and major highways and use them for emergency and military vehicles only.
so anyone bugging out had better use alternative routes- not all of which are signposted.
pretty soon everyone is going to be walking anyway.
bicycles, ponies, horses, donkeys my personal favourite, will probably be the only alternatives to walking.

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Awhile back I looked into building a steam powered truck for a SHTF situation . After pondering over this concluded in such a situation someone might kill you to obtain your transportation . There really was no where I needed to go that would warrant taking such a risk as I am already bugged in , with adequate resources and no businesses open to go to . Certainly not planning to survive by taking someone else's resources .

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Depends on the situation!
Stop/start traffic and it is just over 1km per litre, highway cruising and it is about 4km per litre.
That was with the old worn out engine, the new engine should be better.
Aus is mostly flat open country so mpg is good outside towns/cities

I will update the mpg / kmpl stuff in a few months after I have run the new motor in and been a few places in it.

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As for as mobility I do have a plan I have already discussed with my grandson . We have another tract of land with good deer hunting on it about 15 miles from our retreat . If the need should arise we could do as the native American's did , in this area they made yearly trips to find , kill , smoke cure and bring the meat home . We could use pull carts and go as a group to our tract of land to camp hunt and cure meat to bring back to our retreat . I already have an old pickup camper shell on the property that would serve as a roof on a smoke house the walls could be made of stone and logs . Already have a camper on property . I figure it would take most of a day to walk there one way .

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Gas and diesel will be available in the USA, however you'll pay way too much for it. Refineries have enormous back-up generators. I've seen railroad engines complete with diesel fuel towers at factories as backup generators. A factory where I worked had such and the local land-line telephone hub had one. Industrial automation equipment is tested with lightning bolts generated by a device that looks like a bullpup military rifle. I've been in test engineering and witnessed these tests.

Our military is not stupid. We know that the enemy has EMP weapons in all manner of configurations.

Old beater pick-up trucks will be popular post SHTF. I've seen welders cut the back off of cars to turn them into a make-do pickup. I'm from Southern Appalachia, people here will get by, hell or high water.

People who are prepared will shoot and kill looters and rogue police. My father and his buddies paid-off state congressmen. I had vigilante relatives who rode with the police when the police needed veterans to threaten or kill bad guys they themselves needed help in dealing with.

When push comes to shove, a whole lot of shoving will be going on. However, there will be order enforced by reasonably civilized people. Road warrior / biker gang / psycho-sheriff movies are just that, fiction. I know of a mean cop in S/W Virginia who was a turbo bully. One of the local folk, never identified, shot that sheriff dead.

Here in the USA, post SHTF, many small church congregations in agrarian, small-town, and some suburbs will pull together into survival units. Seen this stuff happen during floods. In major cities, this sort of behavior will be rare. Society in major urban areas is coming apart even before any SHTF event. Post SHTF, I see urban areas as being toast, chaos and death factories.

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Urban transportation, electric bicycle / scooter / motorcycle, something small and light weight. It can't be left parked outside or it will disappear. Electric cars will be a death warrant (think mobile bullseye), along with your home charging location. Rural location will have the same as the urban folks plus a lot more choices. Bio-diesel, steam, wood gas, and electric, pack animal and of course walking. People will not be traveling very much, to start with, road exposure is not very wise, until the major die-off is completed. Once the riff-raff has disappeared and the sheeple have faded away, then primitive modes of travel will be re-instituted. JM2C

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As my "BOB" IS 12m long I will be getting an electric bike to go the little places I need to, fast, silent and fully rechargeable from my BOB
When I am out walking I am increasingly being snuck up on by electric pushbikes delivering pizza, they really are silent

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electric bicycles wont work when the power is down, unless you have a solar set up.

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Since this is a prepper forum, I would assume even Urban folks would have a few portable solar panels setups. Yes the electric bicycles would need recharging but would provide a little more towing capacity and increase your speed for recon. Distance wold be limited to travel vs. charge range (how far you can go and return on single charge). Pedal bicycles will be in demand and a solid choice for urban travel / scouting trips. The biggest draw back on these electric vehicles is they are too darn expensive.

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Some are in my plans, once the price/point becomes reasonable. Too cheap and poor to buy them now.

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Yes, that is understandable, it is all about priorities at this time, & practicality. We have plans for stockades around our two houses, but to construct them now would just not be practicle or desirable. IF the time comes, then we have the people, the knowledge, equipment, & timber supplies to get the job done fairly quickly.
Keith.

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Don't forget this thread is about what transport YOU HAVE, though you can include some ideas & vehicles that you plan on obtaining.
Keith.

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I "HAVE" an Alison Allstar bus converted to a motorhome, made in Brisbane in 1991 and converted early 2017 in Brisbane
I "HAVE" an early model electric pushbike but will be upgrading it in the near future as it is just a modified std pushbike.
Motorhome is in the final stage of getting a fully recon motor installed and if not for a broken bolt would be in it now!

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Have an older truck .a Ford Ranger..decked out with an HF/UHF/VHF ham radio and four antennas. Engine has about 20 k miles on it since I rebuilt it years ago. Been riding mostly scooters and mopeds and thus saving gasoline and wear and tear on my four wheeled vehicles.

Have manual bicycles to which I maintain...as a fall back position.

Have three four cycle 50 cc scooters I ride and also one two cycle.

This is a peninsula and mostly limited ways out of here. If I must I plan to take the scooter with a limited load out as I figure the traffic will be moving slowly on the main roads. If scooters than I want to stay off the interstates. I figure the interstates will be pure chaos in a bug out situation. Back roads will be the order of the day.

Have been thinking about a full sized scooter or one of those on/off road four cycle motorcycles. I think they are called Enduro bikes. What got me interested in the on/off road type bikes is when I found you can get oversized gas tanks for them and not be stuck with a standard smaller gas tank.

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I see the metal bars and roll bars having plates attached for armor. Could find run-flat tires. Post SHTF, run-flat tires would be a blessing.

Armor plates should be layers like: metal || fiberglass || plywood || ceramic tile held together with fiberglass || plywood. Layers yaw the bullet and make it dump its energy.

The plates above will only stop handgun and shotgun lead slugs. To stop .308 FMJ, you'd be adding steel plate with layered armor on either side.

Back to the ATV or off-road motorcycle, think of these for suburb use, not just wilderness. Post earthquake, the bridges will be gone (told a brother-in-law who lives near the New Madrid this and he just looked at me funny; idiot). Societal breakdown will see all roads utterly jammed with abandoned vehicles. You'll be off-road, like it or not. The military will bulldoze roads, however that likely will be after you need said road. This is why I perpetually scout country roads and logging roads. My SUV, though large-ish, will travel some uber-washed-out forestry roads/paths. I took a major risk, but was able to travel a road that most assuredly was not a road. The thing has pretty darned good ground clearance.

Post SHTF, load your vehicle with winch and chain, bolt cutters, shovel, long wrecking bar, axe, pruning saw, and if it will fit, your chainsaw. Where I live, storms lay down trees as if they were wheat before the scythe. And did I mention heavy rope, hooks, .....

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I don't think those ATV's are very fuel efficient....but the idea is interesting. Even less fuel efficient when you armor plate them....and or carry heavy loads. Referring here to bugging out.

Problem for my thinking is keeping others from stealing/commandeering them from you.
Probably need to install a disable electrical switch as I have on one of my older vehicles. When you exit the vehicle ...throw the switch to off.

Also I have black tip 30.06 ammo about 50 rounds in Garand clips......wondering how many others have this stuff??

We have them at work...Kawasaki Mules....

They are aggravating to me at work because people use them and never check the gas tanks...nor fill up. People have been known to break down on the road at work due to an empty tank. These people are the slam bam/thank you Ma'am types....high maintenance.!! I always check the level in the gas tank with my Mag Lite when I check out the Mule.
So many people at work are too stupid to carry a mag lite and spare batteries....and or obviously to stupid to check the gas tank too.

My friend on out in Tennessee has two of them for running up and down the hills on his property. One for himself and one for his bride.

You see them often out front of Bass Pro. They do have good ground clearance.

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we've got these things over here called MULES, no not the ones with 4 legs these have 4 wheels and are usually used on farms, some are very slow but some are quite fast, it depends on the make. like a small pick up with a 2 seater cab, no doors.

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A friend of mine has one of those with seating for 4 adults. It will do about 30mph/48kps which is plenty fast going across a pasture or most dirt roads. It is diesel powered and has a lot of pulling power even though it isn't real fast.

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I am just a little hesitant to place too much trust in electric vehicles or much of anything electric at this time. I don't know what their survival rate will be when hit by an EMP and am afraid that the use of electric lights might be making a target out of me. I like the concept but don't know enough about the tech involved to feel trusting.

I made my living for the last 30 years or so fixing people's electric appliances/ACs, Heaters and most anything. Over the last ten years all things electric have been made less and less durable to the point that most are now throwaway devices with a very limited life expectancy.

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There has been tremendous debate about will Solar surviving an EMP. I am taking the position of installing one setup and packaging (wrapping) / storing a second set of panels. I also plan to have a propane generator as a backup. Yes, neither system will last forever or maybe even an EMP event but you got to start somewhere. I can always scale down to burning wood but I would like to have a few creature comforts.

Your post on the survival book has been deleted, there are boards where this sort of thing can be posted, but we would like to see an introduction from you as a new member, & some other participation before we start seeing a sales pitch.
Keith.

Hi All, by way of introduction, I am an ex policeman, ex military intelligence captain and have been in the security industry for the past thirty years. Hope to chat to like minded people who aren't wearing rose tinted glasses.