Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

hoom wrote:I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

I don't think that Whites descendants would care especially since modern Russia is definitely leaning lot more into White than Red approach.

But key factor are definitely UPA offspring, that war was relatively recently and those immigrants were some of most hardcore Nazis that ever existed and huge number of them was given a free pass in Canada.

Fact that (as usual during Operation Paperclip era) there were no investigations or penalties for what they did, only additionally motivated them to pretend that they were "freedom fighters"

hoom wrote:I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

Not only Ukraine but also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia, Hungary, etc all because they were anti-communist in danger of the new post war governments. Skip to present and 1,400,000 descendants plus later and...

hoom wrote:I've been pretty surprised & disappointed about Canada in recent years re Russia/Ukropia 404, made more sense when I read they have a lot of immigrant (& descendants of) Civil War Whites & UPA types out of Ukraine.

Not only Ukraine but also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Croatia, Hungary, etc all because they were anti-communist in danger of the new post war governments. Skip to present and 1,400,000 descendants plus later and...

Being ant-communist is fair enough. Being anti-Russian 25 years after the end of the Cold War is retarded.

George1 wrote:pls dont go off topic again all with nationalities issues and history. This topic is for kilo class submarines. If you want you can start a new topic in general chat

Actually, the reason for building these submarines is precisely the nationalities issues and history. Thanks to the cold war, WWII was never properly put in context and many criminals became state "assets" and BS narratives were established about the equivalence between the Nazis and the Soviets. This agenda-driven revisionism has laid the ground work for a new war on Russia. Unless this thread is all about some fictional boutique submarine building activity for its own sake the above tangent was not off topic.

Whatever, no more posts on this nationalities and history from me in this thread.

Google translate wrote:The first two submarines will be delivered to the Pacific Fleet in 2019, in 2020 the shipbuilders will hand over the second pair of "Varshavianok". The delivery of the series is planned to be completed in 2021.

So start 2 each year, 2 years to build each pair.

Whats happening with the old Kilos? Presumably old ones are supposed to be retiring soonish, I know some have had recent refits, are they upgrades or just maintenance?

To me it seems that they're actually doing pretty damn will their SSK fleet.

I mean they're going to get those 3 Ladas, right?

So years before 2025, let's say 2023, they'll have:

12 Improved Kilos3 Ladas= 15 new SSKs

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...

Around 7

Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)

So at that point only something like 5-8 old subs will be remaining. Additional 6-8 new 636s would already do it. Or just wait for a while for Kalinas. They could actually increase the size of the fleet quite easily...

Around 7

Granted do not count the first Lada that thing is never sent on combat duties it was just a prototype.

Russian are building two lada's right now and it's unknown if they will build anymore (doubtful really if they would they would not have made more Kilos)