In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendmentwhich expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the free exercise of religionnonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings.

The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.

The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A persons Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business. The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicablein other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians.

This is a huge attempt at nullifying the First Amendment. They have made laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion. They certainly cannot pretend that they are not Marxists anymorenot that they ever really denied it.

The population was much smarter decades ago. As far as today's population goes, all is well and would be even better if the republicans didn't control everything except the White House

We're living among ignorant people who vote (some of them actually thought Mitt Romney was the incumbent)and think the dems are the minority party even now which is why their holy Obama cannot save America even though he wishes he could save this beautiful country which he loves so dearly (according to MSNBC and the rest of the MSM).

Christians have not faced evil of this magnitude since the Roman Coliseum or more likely the Circus Flaminius. For the most powerful country in the world to persecute Christians will be an experience the Church has not faced in 1700 years. I hope we still have the strength and the faith for this trial. Evil is petty, foolish, and disgusting, but it is not weak. I'll be paying at least as much attention to "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one," as to the command on turning the other cheek.

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posted on 12/29/2012 7:09:57 PM PST
by Pollster1
(Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)

RE :”Because federal judgesincluding Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayorhave refused to grant an injunction protecting the owners of Hobby Lobby from being forced to act against their Christian faith, those owners will be subject to federal fines of up to $1.3 million per day starting Tuesday for refusing to include abortion-inducing drugs in their employee health plan.”

I don't know where this figure comes from but the O-care fines for employers are significantly less if the employer just doesn't offer ANY health insurance, one source says $3K per year. Seems like that is what they should do and tell ALL their employees why.

And that can be reduced to zero if they cut back their hours to <30 per week.

I would think that most large religious organizations are set up as corporations. Does Obama’s argument mean that church corporations have no religious rights?

I wish the lame stream media would actually report on this administration’s legal arguments on the 6:00 news. A lot of Democrats would be surprised at what “their side” is arguing these days. Pipe dream, I know.

The progressives are going even nuttier with their Obama-is-Lincoln! mania. Here's a clue why. Obama. Obama! Mmmm mmmm mmm.

When a man confined at Fort McHenry sued for a writ of habeas corpus Chief Justice Roger Taney ordered the government to show cause why the man should not be released. Chief Justice Taney was advised that the writ of habeas corpus had been suspended. Taney issued an attachment -- law Legal seizure of property or a person. The writ ordering such a seizure -- for the commandant of Fort McHenry but the marshals were denied admission to the fort.

Taney then "issued an opinion in the case declaring that the President alone did not have the authority to suspend the writ of habeas corpus -- only Congress could do that -- and holding that [the man's] confinement was illegal. The Chief Justice, knowing that he could not enforce his order, sent a copy of it to Lincoln."

from "Civil Liberty and the Civil War: The Indianapolis Treason Trials." William Rehnquist. www.repository.law.indiana.edu.

Obama.. er, I mean Lincoln asked about writ of habeas corpus: Should everything fail because that one law ". . . made in such extreme tenderness of the citizens' liberty that practically it relieves more of the guilty than of the innocent . . . [cannot] to a very limited extent be violated?" You want "the government itself go to pieces?"

Well, for almost 2000 years, Christianity taught that the primary purpose of marriage was to have children, God willing. In fact, for a couple of hundred years, Protestants and Catholics both agreed that there were three purposes to marriage: 1) Children; 2) companionship; 3) avoidance of illegitimate sexual temptations.

The change came quite late, beginning with the Anglican Church. And, of course, acceptance of birth control soon led to acceptance of abortion and perversion.

But to some extent, this is beside the point, since Obamacare demands that everyone must pay for morning-after pills, which are abortificients. In other words, abortion is involved as well as contraception. And we can be pretty sure that abortions all the way up to late term will be included—as they now are under Romneycare in Massachusetts. For that matter, Obama is fond of killing babies who are born alive—he voted for it three times, and we can soon expect him to demand that we pay for it.

Uh, demons are created beings and always have and always will be subject to God Almighty, the God of Heaven and earth. Jesus showed us that. Demons ALWAYS trembled and bowed the knee when Jesus came around. They ALWAYS had to obey Him.

As with the cross of Christ, so now, God temporarily allows the devil to be active for God's greater purposes.

Let it be known amongst all true Americans, that this Regime is diabolically opposed to the founding principles, so well espoused by:

Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Samuel Adams, George Washington, Thomas Paine, tens of thousands of other's of their day; millions of their descendants; thru millions and millions and millions of today's patriots, tea partiers, and conservatives.

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posted on 12/29/2012 7:40:13 PM PST
by C210N
(When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)

No, it’s a religious issue when you have Christians that don’t want to be forced to sell it being forced to do so, when it goes against what they believe as a religion. And that’s aside from the state getting into any of this anyhow.

When are we going to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? I cannot believe we just had an election. We are in the worst fiscal mess in history, we have more debt in history, executive orders are now the way to govern and he was just reelected? You cannot say we didn’t warn people. I just cannot believe this is happening in the United States of America.

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posted on 12/29/2012 7:48:33 PM PST
by The Mayor
("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat"  Ronald Reagan)

Amen to that. “Obamacare demands that everyone must pay for morning-after pills, which are abortificients. In other words, abortion is involved as well as contraception. And we can be pretty sure that abortions all the way up to late term will be included”.People who support Obama were shocked to find out that you could have an abortion up until birth.They kept saying “It’s a Baby”They were working the polls to have him elected.They still voted for him.If you think this is just about birth control think again or vote like the Obama people-knowing children will die.

"[God] raised [Jesus Christ] from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And has put all things under his feet..." Eph 1:20-22.

Also remember, God has given us all power over the devil. Jesus said,

"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." Luke 10:19

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