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Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Do you people even read the thread.. Instead of providing a counter you post stuff that has already been in the manga. The fact of the matter is Itachi's or any uchiha's Tsukuyomi cannot be Countered. The point is on Tsukuyomi.. and Izanagi and Izanami. Like God damn it.

And not every Senju is strong as Hashirama or Tsunade or Tobirama.

Originally Posted by -Logic-

Shisui has KA in both eyes. We don't know about Izuna.

Someone who can break out of Tsukuyomi? Anyone, provided it's not Itachi's Tsukuyomi. 90% of members here on NB still don't understand that ONLY Itachi's Tsukuyomi is unbreakable, except for Uchihas with the Sharingan. Sasuke's can be broken, Madara's too, unless said otherwise.

I fail? Think again.

~sigh~... Again.. Do you know anyone who can break Tsukuyomi and that is not a Uchiha or a Jin... if so and it has been shown please tell me. Otherwise no. Shiusui had MS i believe and probably has Tsukuyomi.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

We still don't know the number of people who have MS . And if you take the known MS users it is 5..

And name someone who can break out of tsukuyomi? that is not a Jin or Uchiha. Please o please name someone.
Only people who have a proper chance against Itachi are Jins or Another Uchiha. So you my friend fail in saying that I fail

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

~sigh~... Again.. Do you know anyone who can break Tsukuyomi and that is not a Uchiha or a Jin... if so and it has been shown please tell me. Otherwise no. Shiusui had MS i believe and probably has Tsukuyomi.

You're still not listening. I just told you only Itachi's Tsukuyomi cannot be broken, the rest can. Why don't you listen instead of proceeding to spout more bullshit?

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Raikage got caught by Madara's genjutsu and then feel to his knees... Onoki had to come save him. The point is there is no weakness to that Jutsu.. Which means Itachi > non-uchiha and non-jins. That is why I'm saying its a fail. Unless Kishimoto has a way it can be countered. But so far there is none.

Originally Posted by -Logic-

You're still not listening. I just told you only Itachi's Tsukuyomi cannot be broken, the rest can. Why don't you listen instead of proceeding to spout more bullshit?

And why don't you read and give a example of how it can be countered, instead of making assumptions saying only itachi's can't be countered..which is also the point of my thread ,which you said was a fail. Only person with bullshit is you my friend. Name one person who has countered Sasuke's Tsukuyomi? Hell even Raikage fell to his knees when Madara put him under a genjutsu.. lmao

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

Raikage got caught by Madara's genjutsu and then feel to his knees... Onoki had to come save him. The point is there is no weakness to that Jutsu.. Which means Itachi > non-uchiha and non-jins. That is why I'm saying its a fail. Unless Kishimoto has a way it can be countered. But so far there is none.

The jutsu itself is the weakness, what are you trying to say? Take Gai he would never fall to such a jutsu, the fact is you need eye contact. Besides the mangekyou is not something many shinobi has obtained. Besides it is very limited, also Itachi couldn't use Tsukiyomi much more than twice in a fight, then he would be too exhausted.

That is why I say the jutsu itself is its weakness. If you miss - lets say you use it on a bunshin (we seen that before, kakashi outsmarted itachi). It costs a lot of power and also you turn blind. The price for using it fits, so it is not over powered. Any dojutsu is overpowered then..

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

all 6 of them has MS and especially Shusui who had the strongest Genjutsu known.. probably had tsukuyomi. But yea the people we have seen using it are only 3.

Originally Posted by thegame

The jutsu itself is the weakness, what are you trying to say? Take Gai he would never fall to such a jutsu, the fact is you need eye contact. Besides the mangekyou is not something many shinobi has obtained. Besides it is very limited, also Itachi couldn't use Tsukiyomi much more than twice in a fight, then he would be too exhausted.

That is why I say the jutsu itself is its weakness. If you miss - lets say you use it on a bunshin (we seen that before, kakashi outsmarted itachi). It costs a lot of power and also you turn blind. The price for using it fits, so it is not over powered. Any dojutsu is overpowered then..

Good post, the point is once you caught in Tsukuyomi you cannot escape it.. It has already been shown in the case of Sasuke and Itachi. And this is talking about Jutsu not if the whole clan has it or not. Not the whole Senju clan is strong as Hashirama. Madara used a Genjutsu (probably Tsukuyomi ) and it made Raikage fall to his knees.

Tsukuyomi is instant. which makes it very hard to avoid. And then look at Izanami , or Izanagi.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

the mangekyou sharingan was considered a huge secret..only very few people knew about them...so its pretty unlikely to have a whole clan having them >_>. the sharingan itself is a huge gift and its only logical that they were pretty much dominating the world...how ever if u known how to fight them u might still be able to overhelm them.....the only fail i see is you

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

I see people taking it for granted that Jinchuuriki > Tsukuyomi.. Please, for one they can easily fell for it. We saw it in Bee's fight. Sasuke's Tsukuyomi sucked at that moment, time is not altered. Itachi's won't give any Jinchuuriki time to break it. Time is the keyword there. Hum and there aren' thatt many sharingan user who achieved mangekyou. And we only know of two who went beyond. Even though Tsukuyomi is strong, there is a downside : blindness awaits

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Pretty stupid considering there are many other one shot techniques in this manga.

Maybe you should have read the whole post.. and if you had you would have noticed Tsukuyomi was a example.

Originally Posted by Arian

the mangekyou sharingan was considered a huge secret..only very few people knew about them...so its pretty unlikely to have a whole clan having them >_>. the sharingan itself is a huge gift and its only logical that they were pretty much dominating the world...how ever if u known how to fight them u might still be able to overhelm them.....the only fail i see is you

Still fail to counter the post ~sigh~. No need to share you opinion and say something we already know.. it is talking about Jutsu not how many people posses it.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by KingHashirama

Maybe you should have read the whole post.. and if you had you would have noticed Tsukuyomi was a example.

I read it all and I'm still trying to get my head around this incredibly pointless thread. You speak as if there are no means of avoiding Tsukuyomi and that the Senju do not possess jutsu which are potential one panellers - Jukai Koutan could potentially one shot an unsuspecting enemy, for example, so for you to single out a specific jutsu and proceed to claim that an entire clan is superior because of it is really stupid.

Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

Originally Posted by Noddy

I read it all and I'm still trying to get my head around this incredibly pointless thread. You speak as if there are no means of avoiding Tsukuyomi and that the Senju do not possess jutsu which are potential one panellers - Jukai Koutan could potentially one shot an unsuspecting enemy, for example, so for you to single out a specific jutsu and proceed to claim that an entire clan is superior because of it is really stupid.

Key word "counter".... once you are caught you cannot counter it.. only known people to do that Jins or another Uchiha members.. Which is the point. And i gave Tsukuyomi as a Example... And it is my opinion on which clan is stronger why does it bother you?