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Again to address some of the fallacies of the argument presented, I do not believe that unfettered liberty is all smooth sailing, there always will be problems ....the fallacy is thinking the government solves these problems and doesn't make things worse.

The paper points out how mobile people were and how in most company ran towns the competition to keep workers improved the lives and gave more to the labors.

It shows how these laws passed (like most laws) because of the company stores who wanted them, not because of protection of the workers, the workers had no lobby or political power.

The poster who makes these claims also posts that somehow libertarians aren't seeing reason and he can't argue with them, nope the reason you can't argue with them is because you can't counter the logic and history.

Last edited by sudden valley gunner; 10-22-2013 at 10:22 AM.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

It is not a conversation per se, this thread is a reasoned and researched rebuttal to a semi-false assertion by EMNofSeattle. he typically uses emotion to force his point of view into the realm of logical discourse. On this particular front, this threads title, he has been shown to be less than educated but thoroughly indoctrinated.

It is not a conversation per se, this thread is a reasoned and researched rebuttal to a semi-false assertion by EMNofSeattle. he typically uses emotion to force his point of view into the realm of logical discourse. On this particular front, this threads title, he has been shown to be less than educated but thoroughly indoctrinated.

+1

It's the typical anti thinking (anti liberty, anti gun, anti etc) grab and latch on to the rare occurrences or the minority as a rationalization to then subject the majority to tyranny.

I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)