I'll be interested to see what caveats / regulations are put on the Tango in Australia.

Given the 4 point harness and roll cage I would expect that a helmet would also be required for road use.

Curious to know how much extra force a side impact would have on the driver given the extra intrusion bars on the doors too. Have they done any impact testing or purely roll over and collision avoidance tests?

I'll be interested to see what caveats / regulations are put on the Tango in Australia.
> I don’t see any reason for there to be any. It’s just a car.

Given the 4 point harness and roll cage I would expect that a helmet would also be required for road use.
> Because it has safer harnesses should not be any reason to require a helmet.

Curious to know how much extra force a side impact would have on the driver given the extra intrusion bars on the doors too. Have they done any impact testing or purely roll over and collision avoidance tests?
> The roll cage was built to FIA racecar regulations for 300+kph cars.

As it has been explained to me lane splitting can technically be legal if you are on the right of the car in your lane. In practice most people drive close to the right hand side of the lane, so even on a motorcycle it is difficult to split without at some point going past someone on their left. Would be even harder in a Tango. I have been given a ticket for "creating an additional lane" or something similar, which I'm not sure is a real offence, but I still got a ticket for it. That particularly annoyed me as I did it to avoid blocking cars behind me when a turn arrow came on. When I started objecting the cop said he could book me for something else instead so I didn't bother.

Lane splitting in a car looks dangerous to me even though I do it on a motorcycle, but not sure if there is really any difference if there is enough room. You will definitely get stuck in those spots where the bike needs to be leaned to one side then the other to get through.

mikedufty wrote: As it has been explained to me lane splitting can technically be legal if you are on the right of the car in your lane. In practice most people drive close to the right hand side of the lane, so even on a motorcycle it is difficult to split without at some point going past someone on their left.

On a multilane road you are allowed to pass on the left.
Part 122 (2).

Ive heard other things like can't lane split unless the traffic is doing under 60kph.
But I don't see these anywhere in the regs.

There are specifics rules to motorbikes in part 130.
But these only apply to 2 wheel vehicles. Not 3 and 4 isn't mentioned.

Basically I can only see the issues as the wording as "safe to do so" in part 121 and "at a safe distance" in part 122.
Interestingly this is superseded in part 109. "Keeping a safe distance.. except when overtaking".

It's all subjective really as there is no definition.

Help prevent road rage - get outta my way! Blasphemy is a swear word. Magnetic North is a south Pole.

Adverse Effects wrote: there is about 50 lane changes without an indicator

Every trip I see drivers that use no indication at all - ever.
Some old people indicate right and turn left.
I blame the PO-leece.
If there was enough enforcement word of mouth would improve others indicating.

It kind of looked like he was using the Tango as a get away car.
You know drive it like you stole it...

Help prevent road rage - get outta my way! Blasphemy is a swear word. Magnetic North is a south Pole.

The one that I would fix if I could is the 'indicate as you start to turn' thing.

A car is coming the other way and you want to turn right, across it's path. It's quite a distance down the road but since it's going straight ahead, you wait for it. If it had its indicator on to turn left down the street you're going to turn right into, you'd have plenty of time to go first because you know it has to slow down to get around the corner.
So you wait. Then, just before it reaches the corner, the wheel starts to turn and the turn indicator goes on. You've waited forever because the car has been slowing down.

How to fix it? There's no way since the driver never understood why the turn indicator was required (to show intent and to allow planning by other motorists.)

There will be some who will say that you must never cross an oncoming car's path and I'll let them wait.

Edit: Changed 'for' to 'by'

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Reply from Rick:
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California drivers are aware that lanesplitting is legal and tend to move over to the left. Although there is no regulation saying that it must be done between the two left-most lanes, it is a custom, and drivers are expecting it. Believe me, there was no setup for that lanesplitting video. I did notice a truck driver overreacting, but he didn’t need to move over so far. They’re just being polite. For lanesplitting there is no requirement for using the turn signal, although many years ago I met with the administrative officer of the CHP, way before legislation formally legalized it. He mentioned that one could be cited for not using the turn signal, but even then, the officer said he’d never heard of such a citation. It’s so commonplace in California and most of the rest of the world, that everyone is used to it. The other 49 states, Australia, and New Zealand, it’s either illegal or newly made legal as in NSW. There will be a lot of getting used to in Australia, I expect.
See the California Highway Patrol website for the law. https://www.chp.ca.gov/programs-service ... ist-safety

The Assembly bill was originally passed 57-14 for motorcycles to be able to lanesplit at up to 50 mph and an overtaking speed of up to 15 mph. By the time the Senate passed the bill, it simply gave the CHP the authority to set up guidelines.
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I know you're not in Victoria, but I've just had a read of both the Vicroads website and the Victorian Road Safety Regulations, Lane Splitting is illegal here but Lane Filtering is okay.

Lane Splitting is defined as passing between vehicles moving at high speed.

Lane Filtering is defined as passing between stationary or slowly moving vehicles. The filtering vehicle can only travel up to 30 kmh and this rule only applies to motorcycles and scooters.

Given that the Tango won't be classified as a motorcycle I would be looking for road rules that apply to non motorcycles.

Here's a snippet from the Victorian Road Safety Regulations that's applicable, I'd look for something similar in the WA regulations:

146 Driving within a single marked lane or line of traffic

(1) A driver on a multi-lane road must drive so the driver's vehicle is completely in a marked lane, unless the driver is—

(a) entering a part of the road of one kind from a part of the road of another kind (for example, moving to or from a service road or a shoulder of the road); or
(b) entering or leaving the road; or
(c) moving from one marked lane to another marked lane; or
(d) avoiding an obstruction; or
(e) obeying a traffic control device applying to the marked lane; or
(f) permitted to drive in more than one marked lane under another Provision of these Rules.