A word about insufferable elitism within the osu!-community

N0thingSpecial wrote:

I mean just look at how democracy worked out for UK when they voted to leave EU.

Lol? Looks like it turned out pretty well.

It's not suddenly bad when you don't get it your way. Not even making a stance on Brexit, but this example is actually just silly.

What's with forums mostly composed of anime fans / weeaboos and making really out-of-touch with reality comparisons to voting on a game where the end result still means nothing? Hitler, ISIS, Drugs, Brexit. It's really something. Tune into next time where we compare low ranked players voting on a fun-intended category to eugenics and who is and isn't allowed to do something based on some subjective stance.

N0thingSpecial wrote:

OK extreme situation but my point is that lets say there's 3 maps for loved and you can only cast on vote, and he results are two maps with 33%, and one map with 34%, in the current system the map with 34% would be in the love section, but technically there's 66% of the voters oppose that one map being loved, so despite being the "majority" it's not an accurate representation of what the community wants

They don't always oppose the map being loved, they usually just prefer it over another. If the community could instead rated the maps by 1-10 rather than there being a binary vote or not vote you would see a different story.

KtkC wrote:

If you want to split up LOVED, that's a fine idea as well.1. (Experienced Choice - top x000 players' votes only, or from a designated panel of users)2. (Community - anyone can vote)

I like this idea

-Jukke- wrote:

who do you think is gonna fill those leaderboards?

They may not fill the top of the boards but that doesn't mean they don't use them to compete with their friends. Though I agree that the better players probably use the boards more.

Stefan wrote:

What the fuck, the category has been added to give maps which are unsuitable for the rank status an own leaderboard and to give the attention to the public audience they deserve

Good point, public attention is the other important purpose of the loved category that more competitive players probably forget. This loved category isn't ranked and is more about maps the community likes rather than competitive maps that are unable to be ranked.

N0thingSpecial wrote:

do these people actually like the map for the right reason?

Then the follow up question is how can you tell? I think this aspect of voting is ignored because there is no real way to factor this into the system without it losing its democraticness.

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Haha look another useless railey thread intended to make argue for 10 pages

M3ATL0V3R wrote:

N0thingSpecial wrote:

OK extreme situation but my point is that lets say there's 3 maps for loved and you can only cast on vote, and he results are two maps with 33%, and one map with 34%, in the current system the map with 34% would be in the love section, but technically there's 66% of the voters oppose that one map being loved, so despite being the "majority" it's not an accurate representation of what the community wants

They don't always oppose the map being loved, they usually just prefer it over another. If the community could instead rated the maps by 1-10 rather than there being a binary vote or not vote you would see a different story.

The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).

Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).

Full Tablet wrote:

The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).

Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).

That is a good system for a small candidate pool but when many maps are considered 1-10 is best. If every person had do list their preference for every map over each other it would be exhausting for the participants. That's why they use the 1-10 system on myanimelist, imdb, etc

M3ATL0V3R wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).

Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).

That is a good system for a small candidate pool but when many maps are considered 1-10 is best. If every person had do list their preference for every map over each other it would be exhausting for the participants. That's why they use the 1-10 system on myanimelist, imdb, etc

Full Tablet wrote:

The problem with a system where people people rate maps by 1-10 is that different people have different standards for which value means what (some people would consider "5" average, "7" outstanding, and "10" incredibly good; while some people consider "9" average, and "10" good).

Also, it is prone to abuse: people when they vote, want to maximize their own voting power, so if they think a map deserves a rating of "8", for example, they vote "10" instead to make sure the rating is pushed up (voting "8" would just be a weaker vote).

Maybe a better system would be a combination of both systems. 1-10 is simpler for the voters but gives unequal power in some situations. If however the 1-10 rating list of each user was converted into an equivalent STV preference list this system would have the advantages of both systems. Simple and fair.

winber1 wrote:

Finally done with this piece of worthless thread. Crap, Railey2, when you started making threads like "The reason why tablet is (probably) better than mouse." and <and some other posts>, I actually started getting my hopes up that you were finally going to break out of your terrible "The reason you can (probably) never become a pro at osu" stage and start cranking out truly admirable posts. Even though some of your recent posts raised a red flag or two, I still had high hopes. And then this self-indulgent pretentious abomination gets vomitted onto G&R. This is not only your worst thread, but possibly the worst thread I have ever seen. Why? Others were bad as satire, ignorance, age, or inexperience. You qualify for none of these categories, you have no excuse.Believe me, I have nothing against insight, be it criticism, haphazard analyses, or speculative writing. And I have no problem with someone in the osu community bringing out a healthy discussion as a flagship of broadening horizons. What I do have a problem with is that you, the person bringing it, have absolutely no respect for the community or its structure. At the slightest hint of frustration or annoyance, you are more than happy to start disregarding the the mantra of "play more" and just throwing ugly and pointless posts where you just criticize the topic or concept to anything you feel like, no matter how awful the end thread becomes.This vulgar excuse for a thread reeks of every stupid and arrogant Raileyism the community has had to bear witness to: Extreme fallacies with no logical reasoning, sky high cynicism at random times, ideas that just decide to jump to some random irrelevant topic with no warning, buckshot spread theory with no cohesive structure, giving examples that space out to absurd degrees, rampant abuse of "please don't get me wrong" to cover up lazy writing, scientific hodgepodge that clearly are just cases of Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V abuse, and worst of all, using online disinhibition as your own little shield to justify every little moment of "I can write this because fuck you, you don't know me in real life" you can stuff in your pathetic and self-subservient posts.Stop using this board as canvases for your abhorrent "insight", stop using your cult of personality to force your offensive ideas on others, and stop thinking that everyone is not good just because we don't have the talent to supplement our hard work.

kids, don't joke about rsi, it's not cool to have it, it doesn't inflate your e-peen, just makes you look retarded for being proud of it

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Xyrus wrote:

Fuck this drama thread like every other recent railey whining. If even pro player come and mix railey with stinky shit, it must mean something. More, as far as i lurk in Wilchq twitch channel since he started streaming, he is very, i mean very nice person, something really pissed him in this thread.

M3ATL0V3R you have balls of steel to even bathe in this shit, i admire you.

"Overall, I think people tend to reveal their true selves when they step into an avatar. As I said earlier, they probably feel some sense of freedom. But freedom easily gained quickly turns into a false sense of omnipotence."

[Taiga] wrote:

If even pro player come and mix railey with stinky shit, it must mean something. More, as far as i lurk in Wilchq twitch channel since he started streaming, he is very, i mean very nice person, something really pissed him in this thread.

M3ATL0V3R wrote:

[Taiga] wrote:

If even pro player come and mix railey with stinky shit, it must mean something. More, as far as i lurk in Wilchq twitch channel since he started streaming, he is very, i mean very nice person, something really pissed him in this thread.

Thats not wilchq its AmaiHachimitsu who is married to wilchq.

Oh right, yet Amai is also nice guy, didn't heared from him to be rude and toxic towards other people. One thing what amaze me here about polish community is that top rank elite players from poland are very nice people, unlike other games like lol / csgo where greater amount of top polish players are toxic cunts who waste oxygene.

At the end this topic like every other by Railey got proven to be horseshit, imo just move on and let it die.

Peace, yo!

"Overall, I think people tend to reveal their true selves when they step into an avatar. As I said earlier, they probably feel some sense of freedom. But freedom easily gained quickly turns into a false sense of omnipotence."