Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Paxen wrote:Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Or are you saying it's dumb trade by the niners?

Smart on both sides, but I wonder what the 9ers are gonna do with all the picks they have.

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Paxen wrote:Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Or are you saying it's dumb trade by the niners?

It's a fantastic trade. I believe that you can win a superbowl with smith as your QB. Last time I checked, Harbaugh W didn't win one with the guy he replaced him with (zing!), Smith didn't lose the niners the NFC title game last year. that was their stellar return man.

They are laughing, because I have been chomping all off season about how it made GOOD SENSE for the Browns to go after Smith Aggressively. I'm going to tell myself that the reason the Browns didn't come up with it, is because we don't have a 2nd rounder to part with, and I can't imagine there are too many players Harbaugh would have wanted that the Browns would have parted with to compensate for taking a 3rd rounder. I don't want to believe that we just didn't pursue him.

So now, I can go wallow in self pity as I realize that the Browns are going to give wheelchair another season. AND I'll have to watch Peyton lose in the playoffs again next year.

Oh well, Baseball season is close. I haven't been this excited for baseball in a VERY long time. Come on Francona, don't let us down.

Flex wrote:The 49ers robbed the Chiefs in this trade. Smith needed to be moved both in a cap room sense and in a get this guy out of here ASAP sense. Chiefs paid too high a price for him.

That only looks at why the 49ers want to dump him, and doesn't take into account any other teams that might be interested (like, say, the Browns). Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.

My initial response was to say: "I DON'T AGREE!" But then I got looking at career numbers in my fancy dancy spreadsheet. Ugh. If anything? The numbers say over their careers Cassel has been..... "better".

Better Snaps to TDBetter Snaps to INTBetter Snaps Per FumbleBetter Snaps Per SackBetter Yards per SnapBetter Snaps per Neg Play

Cassel is better in each category. Granted, it's not by much. All of them are within.... "relative" proximity that if this were mythbusters, I'd tell you that the difference between the two wasn't great enough to call it confirmed that Cassel is better. I would have to say it's Plausible, But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.

Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.

And just look at how Cassel turned out to be with the Chiefs

I want to know where the '08 and '10 Cassel came from.

But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.

The 49ers under Harbaugh with Smith as QB was built like the Ravens with Dilfer as the QB. Don't lose us the game. The Chiefs aren't that type of team where the defense, special teams or the rest of the offense that isn't the QB can out right win the game. Smith will trend down.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.

The 49ers under Harbaugh with Smith as QB was built like the Ravens with Dilfer as the QB. Don't lose us the game. The Chiefs aren't that type of team where the defense, special teams or the rest of the offense that isn't the QB can out right win the game. Smith will trend down.

Smith's last two years were a product of the system.

The $10m question is, can he translate that to a new environment, and/or, can Reid duplicate/improve on what it took to make Smith successful?

Edit: Still, given the other options available, gambling a 2nd round pick this year and another the next seems like a fair bet, since there are likely no NFL-starters-day-one in this year's draft, and Flynn is the only other reasonable trade candidate.

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Not to mention, Smith's done badly given that every year, practically, he's had a new coach or Offensive Coordinator. He FINALLY had some stability between last year and this year....

...and now he gets a completely new coach, teammates, and offensive coordinator. No, don't expect the Chiefs to do well next year, I'm pretty sure the rest of the AFC West is thanking the 49ers for giving them two free wins next year.

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Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).

Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.

As much as I want to be positive for the home town team, I have to agree with this sentiment. Alex Smith will only be as good as Reid's coaching will allow him to be. While Reid supposedly has a good record with making something out of nothing in the QB department, I (and most of the KC fandom) don't trust that this isn't going to end up being Cassel 2.0 for the Chiefs.

If only the Chiefs had some recievers besides Bowe, there might be hope in that department, but Breaston and company do not a good receiving corps make.

I don't know if I agree with the sentiment that Alex Smith was only a product of the system. In 2006, he had fairly good numbers. The only difference in 06 as compared to the past two years under Harbaugh were the number of picks he threw, and his completion %.

Alex Smith wasn't the reason that they lost last year either.

and I don't think he's a Dilfer type. Dilfer never completed 60%. Anywhere. Smith has done so 3 times. He was also over 70% when he lost his job this season. In Dilfer's SB Winning Season, he was Remarkably average.

To me, Saying Smith is a game manager is a fallacy, because of his horrible coaching situations. Learning new schemes, learning new things, never having a good solid core group on the team.

Suddenly, when harbaugh Shows up, and starts working with him, he improves. In the second year, he was fantastic. He was a good, not great QB, on a good team. Every QB is asked to go out on the field, and "Not Lose the Game". That's sort of the point.

Now you could make a case that Smith wasn't being asked to win the games. But, how many Qb's are really asked to go out there and win the game. Smith is an upgrade at QB for a lot of teams. ARZBuffCleJaxKCMiaMinNYJOak (yes. I'd take him over Palmer at this point in their careers) Phi (yes. I'd take him over Vick, or Foles) St. Louis (Yes. I'd take him over Bradford at this point) TB...... Mmmmmm Not sure. Freeman is REALLY hit or missTennesse. I'd take him over hasselbeck, not sure about locker. I think that might be too early to tell.