Neither of those things in any way negate the fact that he is a cheater and bears the brunt of the responsibility here. The waitress, though sketchy, owed nothing to Tiger's wife nor his children; he did.

I did say "cheating's cheating". But in reference to who bears most of the responsibility? No freakin way. A woman sleeping with a married man shares the blame equally. The only way she doesn't is if the man lies and she is not aware that he is married. There are plenty of women out there that see the ring and are even more turned on and chase even harder. Sometimes chasing guys who are particularly vulnerable because of their marital problems. I'm not making any excuse for the man, but women who do this are equally to blame, because if we're going to talk moral judgement here, any decent woman runs the other way.

Having said that...and yes I believe he cheated, and was wrong. But...given that he didn't specifically address this Grubby girl or whatever her name is, has anyone independently verified that the voicemail on the US website is actually from him? Is that his voice? (I don't know, I don't follow him all that closely)

I'm trying to imagine someone that famous being stupid enough to sleep with the same cocktail waitress for 3 years...that I can possibly imagine...but finding it REALLY hard to believe he would be so incredibly stupid to, after having an argument with his wife about a supposedly untrue story, then call the person he WAS truly involved with to get her to cover for him, beginning his message with "Hey - it's Tiger". Um...wow either he is the stupidest dumbass playa ever, or that voicemail needs to be verified.

I have an uncle who is a rather prominent and wealthy physician. He must have had like 20 affairs during his marriage. My Mom once asked my aunt why on earth she stayed with him and the woman replied "because at the end of the day, I'm still a doctor's wife." Just business as usual, so I can only imagine what goes on with men who have far more and better opportunities, so to speak.

Why is this even surprising? Am I the only one who goes under the default assumption that most wealthy, powerful, married men cheat, just because they can?

I guess I'm surprised because he has a new family that he spends a lot of time with. So I didn't think he really had the opportunity. This affair took place out of town, not in his home town. He doesn't play in a ton of tournaments, and when he does, he's focused on winning and avoiding distractions. His wife also travels a lot with him.

I for one thought that Tiger was perfect and one day usher in a time of peace and prosperity for all mankind.

Keep the dream, Dalton.

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Originally Posted by ntalwar

I guess I'm surprised because he has a new family that he spends a lot of time with. So I didn't think he really had the opportunity. This affair took place out of town, not in his home town. He doesn't play in a ton of tournaments, and when he does, he's focused on winning and avoiding distractions. His wife also travels a lot with him.

That's an awfully naive view.

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Originally Posted by mikal

just men?

Okay then, people. But the power differential in relationships is generally tilted toward men, so that's why I phrased it that way.

Also, gender reasons for cheating are often different. I know this is a vast generalization, but men cheat just to have sex with someone different, women often cheat to test the waters when they're on their way out of a relationship. There are exceptions to both, though.