I don't have a link cause it's been said it got taken down...It was also on the Obama website...

Does anyone have or can get it posted here....EVERYONE needs to see this video...:oand I mean everyone....!!!

I am surprised...NO I'm Shocked it's not already a thread here...!!

Can someone post it here with access?

I've been saying it...but...nevermind...Just watch the video if you have not already!OK?

I believe Hitler and Castro had songs like this (and kim jung il)but that probably should be confirmed by someone who has better knowledge on this subject...

Thank you and god bless you all!:pray:

unkn0wnNYC

Oct 2nd 2008, 06:19 PM

I haven't seen that...but what I have seen is text from him book where he said something along the lines of "when my daughter asked me 'where do we go when we die,' I really didn't know how to answer that." He is a Christian by name. Between the few things I've heard from him and the track record of the Church he was attending, I don't see him as believing Christian. He said it himself that he is uncertain of religion. He also mentioned how he turned to the Baptist Church because it seemed more involving and welcoming to southern blacks.

EarlyCall

Oct 2nd 2008, 06:36 PM

I heard about the video and saw a two second clip on Fox News. They were doing a lead-in after the break and I wasn't there when they showed it.

I don't even want to go into all this conjures up in my mind.

I think we are getting a foretaste of what is to come.

Reynolds357

Oct 2nd 2008, 06:56 PM

It's making waves as a creepy indoctrination of Obama....

I don't have a link cause it's been said it got taken down...It was also on the Obama website...

Does anyone have or can get it posted here....EVERYONE needs to see this video...:oand I mean everyone....!!!

I am surprised...NO I'm Shocked it's not already a thread here...!!

Can someone post it here with access?

I've been saying it...but...nevermind...Just watch the video if you have not already!OK?

I believe Hitler and Castro had songs like this (and kim jung il)but that probably should be confirmed by someone who has better knowledge on this subject...

Thank you and god bless you all!:pray:

That video is sickening. Those kids have no idea who Obama is or what he stands for. They are praising him like he is the anti christ. If I did not believe that the anti-christ would come from the revived Roman Empire, I would think Hussein Obama was the anti-christ.

daughter

Oct 2nd 2008, 07:21 PM

Is this the video that you are referring to? Kids singing praises to Obama in the US? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsrtppY2Dc

aceinthehouse

Oct 2nd 2008, 07:37 PM

Is this the video that you are referring to? Kids singing praises to Obama in the US? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsrtppY2Dc

That's the one "Daughter"....Thank you and god bless you!!Good job!

daughter

Oct 2nd 2008, 07:41 PM

I must admit, this really horrified me - it's like something you'd see in South Korea.

moonglow

Oct 2nd 2008, 08:05 PM

I don't get it...:confused Whats so horrible about it? I couldn't understand most of what they were singing but I seriously doubt they were calling Obama their Lord that they would live and die for. Have children never sang songs for other's in politics before? I thought it was appalling to even compare this to the Hitler video. This is what I found in regards to the lyrics of this song:

http://sharoncobb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obama-yes-we-can-music-video_05.html
It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballots; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality.

Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity.

Yes we can heal this nation.

Yes we can repair this world.

Yes we can.

We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.

We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics...they will only grow louder and more dissonant ........... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

Now the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast; from sea to shining sea --

Yes. We. Can.

What's so awful in these words that I am missing?
How is this speech so much different from say...Martin Luther King Jr speech of "I have a dream." I would bet if computer existed back then kids would be singing that one on youtube also!

I don't plan on voting for him for other reason but none of those reason came from one post on this board about him as frankly I think most of the posts attacking him are overblown and exaggerated and well...not very Christ like to be totally honest here...its gotten so bad on here lately its really making me feel sorry for the guy! Which I think is probably the opposite affect those against him are wanting...

The commandment..thou shall not bear false witness comes to mind..

God bless

jen74

Oct 2nd 2008, 08:26 PM

Sorry but it is a little over board to me. Let's put it this way I would not let my son do that commercial. Whether it was Obama or McCain

NHL Fever

Oct 2nd 2008, 08:42 PM

Stuff like that is going to creep out some people, but there are extreme followers for almost any person of moderate or greater fame.

The insinuations about anti-Christ seem out of place, since the bible itself says that everyone will think the anti-christ is great. The current situation in the US is that 40% or more of Americans do not intend to vote for Obama. That pretty much rules him out.

SeekingWisdom

Oct 2nd 2008, 08:48 PM

From the horrible descriptions I thought there would be kids
surrounding him in a circle bowing down and singing songs that said "all hail Obama". Not the case.

As for the kids not knowing what Obama stands for...
is that a surprise? Most kids and teens hold the same
opinions as their parents so that shouldn't be a shock.

This is just too silly for me to comment on any further.

aceinthehouse

Oct 2nd 2008, 09:02 PM

Stuff like that is going to creep out some people, but there are extreme followers for almost any person of moderate or greater fame.

The insinuations about anti-Christ seem out of place, since the bible itself says that everyone will think the anti-christ is great. The current situation in the US is that 40% or more of Americans do not intend to vote for Obama. That pretty much rules him out.

Then I would imagine those camps will fill up pretty fast...lol

No but seriously...I could see the % of Obama supporters to grow,especially if palin has a bad outing in the debate...

The Bush/Mccain comparisons are basically killing Mccains campaign as nobody wants "4 more years" which has been inbedded into brains across the nation...

They are singing for a guy who hasn't even been elected yet...:hmm:

When I was a kid,I sung songs in the Hymn,Pledge,Star Spangled Banner,Battle Hymn of the Republic or Country related songs...

What if he was a TERRIBLE President?Shoot,at least wait till he's done something special(which I still think would be wrong) but my goodness...

These children have no idea what they are singing for...who the man they are singing for...or even why they are singing.....

But these Adults THINK they know who these kids are singing for!

Indoctrination is a very scary thing my friend!

EarlyCall

Oct 2nd 2008, 09:07 PM

I don't get it...:confused Whats so horrible about it? I couldn't understand most of what they were singing but I seriously doubt they were calling Obama their Lord that they would live and die for. Have children never sang songs for other's in politics before? I thought it was appalling to even compare this to the Hitler video. This is what I found in regards to the lyrics of this song:

http://sharoncobb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obama-yes-we-can-music-video_05.html
It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballots; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality.

Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity.

Yes we can heal this nation.

Yes we can repair this world.

Yes we can.

We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.

We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics...they will only grow louder and more dissonant ........... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

Now the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast; from sea to shining sea --

Yes. We. Can.

What's so awful in these words that I am missing?
How is this speech so much different from say...Martin Luther King Jr speech of "I have a dream." I would bet if computer existed back then kids would be singing that one on youtube also!

I don't plan on voting for him for other reason but none of those reason came from one post on this board about him as frankly I think most of the posts attacking him are overblown and exaggerated and well...not very Christ like to be totally honest here...its gotten so bad on here lately its really making me feel sorry for the guy! Which I think is probably the opposite affect those against him are wanting...

The commandment..thou shall not bear false witness comes to mind..

God bless

For one thing they gave no credit to the thousands of northern whites that died to free the slaves. I'd start there and then go on.

But mroe than the words it is the very idea. Ever see anything like this before for a presidential candidate? I haven't.

Look beyond the words if you want to know what is wrong with this.

EarlyCall

Oct 2nd 2008, 09:09 PM

Stuff like that is going to creep out some people, but there are extreme followers for almost any person of moderate or greater fame.

The insinuations about anti-Christ seem out of place, since the bible itself says that everyone will think the anti-christ is great. The current situation in the US is that 40% or more of Americans do not intend to vote for Obama. That pretty much rules him out.

Who thinks he is the anit-christ? He isn't. He ain't that good at talking a big game. It's all the many things adding up that point to people as seeing him as anything more than "the right person for the job". You go beyond that, and many have in obama's case, and you are straying near cult territory and worshipping a mere man.

That's my take on it.

IPet2_9

Oct 2nd 2008, 09:10 PM

I consider the kids nothing more than a political campaign tactic. Frankly, I think it's a little innovative. I'm not particularly either an Obama or McCain fan, but for a PR/marketing guy I think it's good work.

Their song, "Obama stands for change", though... that's all nice, but as a matter of fact, I DON'T want change. I want to go back. I would give up a lot just to go back to the way it was in the Clinton era. Crazy as it sounds....

SpokenFor

Oct 2nd 2008, 09:38 PM

Who thinks he is the anit-christ?

A LOT of people (NOT ME). Just look around this forum.

I would give up a lot just to go back to the way it was in the Clinton era. Crazy as it sounds....

yes..please give me back my twin towers. And the economy was pretty nice then, too.
Under Clinton
Yea really great, we had the partial birth abortion ban vetoed, Don't ask don't tell (Gays in the Military), The biggest tax increase in U.S. History, The Brady Bill, Monica,
Gave Oil and Food to N.Korea for them not building the Nucular Bomb
(They did Promise Though not to build it)
The world Trade Center Bombed, Black Hawk Down, USS Cole with little or nothing done to Al Qaeda.
List of Clinton Pardons http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
Shall I keep going?

markedward

Oct 2nd 2008, 10:37 PM

The thing that stuck out to me is that a couple of people in this thread have said "This sounds like something so-and-so did." If other people in power did this same thing, why aren't they listed as candidates for the antichrist? And if they've done it before, what's so significant about Obama doing it that makes him different from those who already did it?

Hanibal Texter

Oct 3rd 2008, 12:10 AM

The thing that stuck out to me is that a couple of people in this thread have said "This sounds like something so-and-so did." If other people in power did this same thing, why aren't they listed as candidates for the antichrist? And if they've done it before, what's so significant about Obama doing it that makes him different from those who already did it?

I think what they are getting at, is that he (Obama) is being marketed as the one and only that can "save us" from our current situation.
That he has his own seal, Children singing a praise type song, and the Media pushing him as the true unifier of all. It is really sicking to those of us that see it that way, including myself. This guy is nothing more than a true Socialist/Communist that is being branded as a good thing. And to top it all off claims to be a Christian, go fiqure.

aceinthehouse

Oct 3rd 2008, 12:20 AM

I think what they are getting at, is that he (Obama) is being marketed as the one and only that can "save us" from our current situation.
That he has his own seal, Children singing a praise type song, and the Media pushing him as the true unifier of all. It is really sicking to those of us that see it that way, including myself. This guy is nothing more than a true Socialist/Communist that is being branded as a good thing. And to top it all off claims to be a Christian, go fiqure.

I agree with ya 100%

I sure hope the Moderator of the debate between Biden and Palin tonight is actually fair,since she has an investment in Obama winning because her book comes out on augeration Day...:hmm:

It's like the forces of something are just pushing Obama in the whitehouse....Ridiculous!:mad:

Just heard tonight that he has over 200 million dollars of campaign funds unnacounted for overseas....

mccain has his money available online from what I understand,but NOT Obama secret financiers...crazy man

I need to take a deep breath....

Saved7

Oct 3rd 2008, 02:03 AM

I don't get it...:confused Whats so horrible about it? I couldn't understand most of what they were singing but I seriously doubt they were calling Obama their Lord that they would live and die for. Have children never sang songs for other's in politics before? I thought it was appalling to even compare this to the Hitler video. This is what I found in regards to the lyrics of this song:

http://sharoncobb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barack-obama-yes-we-can-music-video_05.html
It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballots; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality.

Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity.

Yes we can heal this nation.

Yes we can repair this world.

Yes we can.

We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.

We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics...they will only grow louder and more dissonant ........... We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

Now the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story with three words that will ring from coast to coast; from sea to shining sea --

Yes. We. Can.

What's so awful in these words that I am missing?
How is this speech so much different from say...Martin Luther King Jr speech of "I have a dream." I would bet if computer existed back then kids would be singing that one on youtube also!

I don't plan on voting for him for other reason but none of those reason came from one post on this board about him as frankly I think most of the posts attacking him are overblown and exaggerated and well...not very Christ like to be totally honest here...its gotten so bad on here lately its really making me feel sorry for the guy! Which I think is probably the opposite affect those against him are wanting...

The commandment..thou shall not bear false witness comes to mind..

God bless

Amen!!!! I may not trust the guy, but I do believe that ya'll are going over the top on this one.

Beholding_the_Lamb

Oct 3rd 2008, 02:36 AM

I saw this video and it made me cry! The first young girl who sang the solo was singing about Obama like we should be singing about our Lord Jesus Christ. There was sung with adulation. The comment section had already been shut down but I wrote one anyway and said " Shame, Shame, Shame on any Church group that would be teaching these precious children to look at a mere man as if he were God. Only God can do what Obama or Obama's press folks want the world to think he can do, or claims he can do. This, in my opinion is teaching these children idolatry!

Who ever wins, whatever happens will be for God's purpose and desires. I can't beleive that I ever thought I had the power in my mortal being to elect a man to rule over me, or that a man could actually have the "power" to rule on or by my decision? God is Sovereign for which I am truly thankful. :pp

Pro 21:1 The kingís heart is in the hand of the LORD as the watercourses: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
Dan 4:17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of men.

Rom 13:1-4 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God. Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same: for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.

I used to love politcs and being patriotic. Then one day from out of the blue I heard this small still voice say "
My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.Joh 18:36 and 1Peter 2:9 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for Godís own possession, that ye may shew forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: which in time past were no people, but now are the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

I am not allowed ( forbidden by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ) to be involved in politics any more or to consider this country my home. I am just passing thru and learning how to live like Christ lived and to be light and salt... that's it.

It's been hard, as there was "noth'en that could get me go'en like a good verbal boxing match with a political opponent". :eek: Talk about things that war against my soul! WOW :blushsad: I could go from still to 60mph in 5 seconds with my mouth and oh my goodness, forget that we war not against flesh and blood"! My My MY:B:help: I am still glad that I was allowed to be born here and that we did enjoy such wonderful freedoms to worship Jesus once, long ago.

I am also glad that I am now set free.

Getting back on topic though, this really did upset me and I cried and so did my husband. I have to keep reminding myself that we aren't to judge the world, because they "know not what they do", and sometimes even those who call themselves "the Church" don't realize what they are doing either. ***SIGH*** I wanna go home!:cry:

Do a search on here...everyone thought Bush was the antichrist too...and the last dead pope...go back further on the net...everyone thought Regan and Nixon were the AC too...its really like, oh come on now...guys..I mean really...

I do not see this song as a praise song by any means at all...he doesn't fit any verses in the bible on this...besides what Jew is going to fall for him being the awaited Messiah?

NHL Fever

Oct 3rd 2008, 03:32 AM

Do a search on here...everyone thought Bush was the antichrist too...and the last dead pope...go back further on the net...everyone thought Regan and Nixon were the AC too...its really like, oh come on now...guys..I mean really...

I do not see this song as a praise song by any means at all...he doesn't fit any verses in the bible on this...besides what Jew is going to fall for him being the awaited Messiah?

Ya pretty much every US president is going to be viewed by a certain contingent as the AC. I think it originates from 2 sources. One is a nationocentric view of the world, meaning it seems many Americans assume that the US is the center of the universe and the spiritual universe, and therefore any significant characters must automatically play central in US history. The second is the assumption that anybody who disagrees with neo-conservative policies must be for whatever reason, a candidate for the AC.

Hanibal Texter

Oct 3rd 2008, 09:27 AM

Ya pretty much every US president is going to be viewed by a certain contingent as the AC. I think it originates from 2 sources. One is a nationocentric view of the world, meaning it seems many Americans assume that the US is the center of the universe and the spiritual universe, and therefore any significant characters must automatically play central in US history. The second is the assumption that anybody who disagrees with neo-conservative policies must be for whatever reason, a candidate for the AC.

You have it all wrong, this has nothing to do with policies at all, it is about perception and the way this whole thing has been marketed to the American People. This man is full of arrogrance and the media is in total agrreament with him.We are being told that he will fix all our problems and he understands it all. His policies are not even in place, however we have a good idea what he is about. He is Very Pro Aborition, in my opinion has No love for God or Country, has very radical associates, has many believing that government is the real answer for all their problems and is not truthfull. It is really very nausating to say the least. This man would fit perfect if he was running over in some Eastern Block country that wanted or need that type of governmental control.

CubsFan218

Oct 3rd 2008, 12:36 PM

Do a search on here...everyone thought Bush was the antichrist too...and the last dead pope...go back further on the net...everyone thought Regan and Nixon were the AC too...its really like, oh come on now...guys..I mean really...

I do not see this song as a praise song by any means at all...he doesn't fit any verses in the bible on this...besides what Jew is going to fall for him being the awaited Messiah?
lol exactly!!

I can't believe some of the things that are said about Obama on here. You don't like his policies? That's fine. Go out and vote for McCain because I'm sure God loves our senseless killings overseas, right?

The only thing I don't like about Obama is the abortion issue and no President is gonna put a stop to it regardless of where they stand.

moonglow

Oct 3rd 2008, 01:30 PM

Ya pretty much every US president is going to be viewed by a certain contingent as the AC. I think it originates from 2 sources. One is a nationocentric view of the world, meaning it seems many Americans assume that the US is the center of the universe and the spiritual universe, and therefore any significant characters must automatically play central in US history. The second is the assumption that anybody who disagrees with neo-conservative policies must be for whatever reason, a candidate for the AC.

Yea...the US is not mentioned in the bible because we are NOT important! Many, many other nations are not mentioned in the bible...the bible has always been about one part of this world..and I think that is for a reason. Doesn't mean everyone else isn't affected of course...just that we really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things (as a nation). If people were to take seriously the nations actually spoken about in the bible then looked closely at what is happening there...they might be surprised.

Hanibal TexterYou have it all wrong, this has nothing to do with policies at all, it is about perception and the way this whole thing has been marketed to the American People. This man is full of arrogrance and the media is in total agrreament with him.We are being told that he will fix all our problems and he understands it all. His policies are not even in place, however we have a good idea what he is about. He is Very Pro Aborition, in my opinion has No love for God or Country, has very radical associates, has many believing that government is the real answer for all their problems and is not truthfull. It is really very nausating to say the least. This man would fit perfect if he was running over in some Eastern Block country that wanted or need that type of governmental control.

I don't hear the media saying this. I hear pros and cons on him from the media as they do every presidential candidate. His views are the NORM for every democratic president that has ever run...that is why he is a democrat. Every presidential candidate has had their faith questioned...their background questioned, their voting habits, their family...and on and on and on. I am surprised we don't do DNA testing on them to see how long they each have to live and what they will die from then debate that!

just doing a quick search on the internet..people listed as possible antichrist: Vladimir Putin (http://efficientawesomeness.com/blog/2007/10/01/russian-president-vladimir-putin-will-rule-us-all-11-reasons-were-all-pawns-in-his-game-of-pure-badassness/)

Hillary Clinton (http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1259.cfm). Some thought it might be her....until she didn't make the race..

Ronald Reagan (http://home.mcn.net/~willfree/coincidence/reagan.htm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_Antichrists
Antichrist characters have been the continuing subject of speculation and attraction, often explored in fiction and media, and the character has developed his own sort of fictional mythology apart from bibical scripture. For example, the Book of Revelation does not say the Antichrist will be the son of Satan. in fact the Book of Revelation doesn't mention the Antichrist at all; but the idea was made popular in at least two movies, The Omen, and its sequels, with the evil child, Damien, who grows up with the destiny to rule and destroy the world, and Rosemary's Baby with her son, Adrian/Andy.

As it says, the word, antichrist isn't even mentioned in Revelation! Countless people over our history have been AN antichrist. As a Christian I have to say I am embarrassed that every presidential election so many peg one of the candidates at the antichrist....only to be proven wrong again. If Obama doesn't win...then will McCain be the next one we think is the AC like so many did with Bush? How does this make us good witnesses when time and time again we are wrong on this? If we can't be trusted to get this right (which we shouldn't be guessing in the first place) then how can be trusted in our witness of Christ? Why should a nonbeliever trust a thing we say when we have a billion sites out there claiming someone is the AC and we are so obviously wrong (that they are not the beast...AN antichrist...sure...possibly..but not THE AC/beast). I think at times its just better to be silent...

I believe there is a verse on this too...

Believe me if a beast rises...everyone will know it...their won't be any guessing...those who's name are not written in the book of life will be the only ones fooled by this beast...that is what scriptures say and I believe its word.

God bless

aceinthehouse

Oct 3rd 2008, 03:03 PM

Just because "America" or "United States" isn't directly mentioned in the 4 Gospels or even Revelation,doesn't mean we are not in it my friends...

I mean...If the Holy Bible was created in 1899 or something,then we would obviously not be a part of it!

But I think we are the "mystery" Babylon that is talked about in Revelations 17-20

It's obviously just my opinion since it doesn't say "America" right out of the book,but if this was just a Middle Eastern Country or even the same original Babylon than before...or even a rived Babylon in the same Geographical location,than what makes that such a "mystery"...?

The word "Mystery" in the Websters dictionary means=1)Anything that is kept secret or remains unexplained or unknown.OR 2)A Person or thing having qualities that arouse curiosity or speculation :The masked guest was a mystery to everyone.OR 3)A novel,film or the like whose plot involves the solving of a puzzle or crime.OR 4)The quality of being obscure or puzzling:an air of mystery.5)Any truth unknowable except by divine revelation......there are a few more....

So to tell me that "Mystery" babylon is not the United States,I think would be very naive considering everything it points to in that part of revelation,very well could mean us!Or it could be someone else as well....

And since the "Beast",which is also identified as the antichrist...is all up and inside and around the "Mystery" babylon and destroys it,could very well be someone here....Or somewhere else as well...

It would be alot easier to destroy the U.S. from within,than from the outside borders IMO....

Like a corrupt leader!

So yea...Having kids praise Obama as the only way for change as if they were sining a song in church to Jesus Christ,kinda has me a little more concerned about this,then 20 years ago...

It may mean nothing......That's true...

And it could also mean..."It's time"!:pray:

But you won't see me singing Obama songs and making T-shirts cause he's the only way for change and hope and is the only way to get us out of this mess....

My faith resides with the King of Kings in Jesus Christ..my Lord and saviour!:pray:

quiet dove

Oct 3rd 2008, 04:28 PM

Guys, I am closing this thread, there is only so much that can be said about this video.

We are going all over the place, and trying to figure out the AC, which is basically naming the AC and that is not allowed. All of it is either going to be off OP, policitcal (Elections) or AC guessing. There just isn't a lot of options/directions.

Children singing to Obama is a yes you were offended or no you weren't issue, after that is gets beyond the realm of ok for ETC.

Edit: I will however get more mod input and if it can be reopened someone will.