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It's not a confidence thing with Braylon, it's that he just isn't that much into football. I remember seeing an interview with him a few years back and they asked him about the distractions in his life. He kinda blew it off and went on and on about his modeling career. To me, that's not the kinda guy you want on your team.

A lot of people said the same thing about BMW before he came here.

Believe it or not, Pete can get the most out of just about any player you put on the roster, and that includes Edwards. Plax is less talented and much older than Edwards, So how is Plax the better option?

There is a big difference, between what BMW was (uncommitted) and what Edwards has been (uninterested). It's two totally different things. You can sometimes turn someone around, who likes what they are doing, but is uncommitted to doing the things necessary to succeed. It is far harder to turn someone around who just isn't that "into", what they are doing for a living and is only in it as a platform to their real interest.

You're just making stuff up imo

How is this making stuff up? The knock on BMW before he got here, was that he would always get out of shape and wasn't the hardest worker in the world. That is a fact. It was his reputation. As far as Edwards, I sat there and watched the interview he did, where he said, modeling was his first love and he had dreams of going into acting someday. That was a fact. He said it and it was on television.

And I'm not disputing either of those....

I'm saying you stating that you can only motivate one of those two kinds of people is made up. You can motivate both._________________<Rammy

It's not a confidence thing with Braylon, it's that he just isn't that much into football. I remember seeing an interview with him a few years back and they asked him about the distractions in his life. He kinda blew it off and went on and on about his modeling career. To me, that's not the kinda guy you want on your team.

A lot of people said the same thing about BMW before he came here.

Believe it or not, Pete can get the most out of just about any player you put on the roster, and that includes Edwards. Plax is less talented and much older than Edwards, So how is Plax the better option?

There is a big difference, between what BMW was (uncommitted) and what Edwards has been (uninterested). It's two totally different things. You can sometimes turn someone around, who likes what they are doing, but is uncommitted to doing the things necessary to succeed. It is far harder to turn someone around who just isn't that "into", what they are doing for a living and is only in it as a platform to their real interest.

You're just making stuff up imo

How is this making stuff up? The knock on BMW before he got here, was that he would always get out of shape and wasn't the hardest worker in the world. That is a fact. It was his reputation. As far as Edwards, I sat there and watched the interview he did, where he said, modeling was his first love and he had dreams of going into acting someday. That was a fact. He said it and it was on television.

And I'm not disputing either of those....

I'm saying you stating that you can only motivate one of those two kinds of people is made up. You can motivate both.

I never said you couldn't. I said it's more difficult to motivate a guy who isn't that interested in football, to begin with and has other outside activities that he is much more interested in._________________"People say you should always do the right thing, but sometimes there is no right thing. And then, you just have to pick the sin you can live with." -Ig Perrish

It's not a confidence thing with Braylon, it's that he just isn't that much into football. I remember seeing an interview with him a few years back and they asked him about the distractions in his life. He kinda blew it off and went on and on about his modeling career. To me, that's not the kinda guy you want on your team.

A lot of people said the same thing about BMW before he came here.

Believe it or not, Pete can get the most out of just about any player you put on the roster, and that includes Edwards. Plax is less talented and much older than Edwards, So how is Plax the better option?

There is a big difference, between what BMW was (uncommitted) and what Edwards has been (uninterested). It's two totally different things. You can sometimes turn someone around, who likes what they are doing, but is uncommitted to doing the things necessary to succeed. It is far harder to turn someone around who just isn't that "into", what they are doing for a living and is only in it as a platform to their real interest.

You're just making stuff up imo

how so? I didn't find his philosophy to be as "left field" as you apparently did. It makes sense from a conceptual standpoint, the only problem is that i think braylon is also uncommited. Not with football, but changing his attitude_________________

There is a big difference, between what BMW was (uncommitted) and what Edwards has been (uninterested). It's two totally different things. You can sometimes turn someone around, who likes what they are doing, but is uncommitted to doing the things necessary to succeed. It is far harder to turn someone around who just isn't that "into", what they are doing for a living and is only in it as a platform to their real interest.

So, Let me get this correct, You're saying a guy can be 'uncommitted' & 'interested' at the same time, But, A guy can't be 'uninterested' & 'committed' at the same time?, Is that correct?

If so, I'd like to buy a ticket to the circus that is playing in your head _________________Adopt-a-Hawk

There is a big difference, between what BMW was (uncommitted) and what Edwards has been (uninterested). It's two totally different things. You can sometimes turn someone around, who likes what they are doing, but is uncommitted to doing the things necessary to succeed. It is far harder to turn someone around who just isn't that "into", what they are doing for a living and is only in it as a platform to their real interest.

So, Let me get this correct, You're saying a guy can be 'uncommitted' & 'interested' at the same time, But, A guy can't be 'uninterested' & 'committed' at the same time?, Is that correct?

If so, I'd like to buy a ticket to the circus that is playing in your head

I know that if I have no interest in doing something and I'd much rather be doing something else, I'm gonna spend my "off time" doing the thing I truly love and I'm not gonna even think about the thing I'm not interested in. I'd do all the mandatory things that went along with it, but I'd skip the voluntary stuff, because I wouldn't care. I'd have more interesting things to do with my time. That's just me, but I can't be the only person that feels this way. Look at Ricky Williams. The guy had all the talent in the world, but he just didn't care about football and it showed. He would have rather done yoga, listened to The Greatful Dead and smoked._________________"People say you should always do the right thing, but sometimes there is no right thing. And then, you just have to pick the sin you can live with." -Ig Perrish

I know that if I have no interest in doing something and I'd much rather be doing something else, I'm gonna spend my "off time" doing the thing I truly love and I'm not gonna even think about the thing I'm not interested in. I'd do all the mandatory things that went along with it, but I'd skip the voluntary stuff, because I wouldn't care. I'd have more interesting things to do with my time. That's just me, but I can't be the only person that feels this way. Look at Ricky Williams. The guy had all the talent in the world, but he just didn't care about football and it showed. He would have rather done yoga, listened to The Greatful Dead and smoked.

Interest & Commitment coincide together, If you're 'Interested' in something you will 'Commit' yourself to it, and if you 'Commit' yourself to something it will hold your 'Interest'.

The only thing that separates Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards, Is Edwards 'Committed' himself to staying in shape in the off-season, That's it. They both had/have character issues in the past/present and Pete could turn Edwards' attitude just like he did Williams._________________Adopt-a-Hawk

I know that if I have no interest in doing something and I'd much rather be doing something else, I'm gonna spend my "off time" doing the thing I truly love and I'm not gonna even think about the thing I'm not interested in. I'd do all the mandatory things that went along with it, but I'd skip the voluntary stuff, because I wouldn't care. I'd have more interesting things to do with my time. That's just me, but I can't be the only person that feels this way. Look at Ricky Williams. The guy had all the talent in the world, but he just didn't care about football and it showed. He would have rather done yoga, listened to The Greatful Dead and smoked.

Interest & Commitment coincide together, If you're 'Interested' in something you will 'Commit' yourself to it, and if you 'Commit' yourself to something it will hold your 'Interest'.

The only thing that separates Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards, Is Edwards 'Committed' himself to staying in shape in the off-season, That's it. They both had/have character issues in the past/present and Pete could turn Edwards' attitude just like he did Williams.

That's not always true. I am truly interested in sports and love playing them, but the truth is that I'm too lazy to commit myself to getting really good. I committed myself to my job (because I needed to get paid), but I hated it! It made me miserable. If I weren't in need of money, I would have just blown off work. These athletes already have tons of money, so what's the motivation, if they aren't enjoying themselves?_________________"People say you should always do the right thing, but sometimes there is no right thing. And then, you just have to pick the sin you can live with." -Ig Perrish

You can be very interested in some chick but that don't mean you want a relationship or longterm commitment. You can like a tv show, that doesn't mean your going to catch the airing of every episode. You can play basketball at your local rec, doesn mean your going to take the time to perfect your jumpshot. It goes on and on

Mike clearly enjoys football, but last year clearly showed he wasn't committed to being the best player he can be(even tho the previous season he was) and that's why he's no longer a Seahawk. You don't gamble on a player twice_________________

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:29 am Post subject:

imani wrote:

They coincide, but they aren't the same

You can be very interested in some chick but that don't mean you want a relationship or longterm commitment. You can like a tv show, that doesn't mean your going to catch the airing of every episode. You can play basketball at your local rec, doesn mean your going to take the time to perfect your jumpshot. It goes on and on

Mike clearly enjoys football, but last year clearly showed he wasn't committed to being the best player he can be(even tho the previous season he was) and that's why he's no longer a Seahawk. You don't gamble on a player twice

Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. You just said it better. _________________"People say you should always do the right thing, but sometimes there is no right thing. And then, you just have to pick the sin you can live with." -Ig Perrish

I know they don't always coincide, and they don't mean the same thing, I never said that and never meant that either. but, 99% of the time they do coincide and that is what I meant by my post. here an example: I'm interested in Seahawks football and I commit myself to being a fan.

Here's another example: I've lost interest in this conversation about interest & commitment so I'm no longer committing myself to it. _________________Adopt-a-Hawk

TheOspreyJoined: 27 Aug 2009Posts: 8836Location: In a van, down by the river.

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:50 am Post subject:

JOEJOE wrote:

I know they don't always coincide, and they don't mean the same thing, I never said that and never meant that either. but, 99% of the time they do coincide and that is what I meant by my post. here an example: I'm interested in Seahawks football and I commit myself to being a fan.

Here's another example: I've lost interest in this conversation about interest & commitment so I'm no longer committing myself to it.

If that is your example, then I see where the problem lies. You and I have two different ideas of what commitment is. To me, commitment means you dedicate your life to something. For instance, a football player who is commited to the game, should eat, drink and sleep football. For him, it should be a 24 hour a day job. You should be the first one into practice (or one of the first) and the last one to leave and you should either be in the weight room or film room, whenever you are available._________________"People say you should always do the right thing, but sometimes there is no right thing. And then, you just have to pick the sin you can live with." -Ig Perrish

I'm really intrigued by Edwards at this point. If he can pull himself together and impress enough to get a contract, I'd be cautiously optimistic about what he could do for our team. If he could manage to get 7-800 yards and 6 TDs, our offense could explode (if and only if our offense can stay healthy). I'm really excited about what he could bring to the team if he is all in.