Question: If there was a second man on the plane who was in on the plot taping the whole event, why would he be doing so?

If the plan was successful (as was planned) then the plane would have been destroyed and the remains would have plummeted to the ground destroying the the camera and film in the process.

It doesn't make any sense.

This is what makes me think the 'device' was never intended to go off properly and the 'terrorist' seemed to be staring into space and not altogether there according to witnesses. He seemed to be very quick to tell the FBI everything they needed to know too and why is it that an 'al-qaeda' linked group we've never heard of always seem to want to claim responsibility for 'failed' attacks?

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

It has nothing to do with paranoia it's just people wanting to know the truth. Don't you think people should be told the truth?

People should be told the truth. But before you disagree with "the goverment's truth", you should search for something more logic. Saying that they want to control the community BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE COMMUNITY doesn't make any sense. Again, I'm NOT saying that your theory is completely illogic, I'm just pointing you that it doesn't make any sense either.

QUOTE (Albert Einstein)

The search for truth is more precious than its possession.

I do not ignore the so called "evidence" you posted, but I'm not going to jump to inferences as fast as you did. Your theory opens more holes than it closes.

It has nothing to do with paranoia it's just people wanting to know the truth. Don't you think people should be told the truth?

People should be told the truth. But before you disagree with "the goverment's truth", you should search for something more logic. Saying that they want to control the community BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE COMMUNITY doesn't make any sense. Again, I'm NOT saying that your theory is completely illogic, I'm just pointing you that it doesn't make any sense either.

QUOTE (Albert Einstein)

The search for truth is more precious than its possession.

I do not ignore the so called "evidence" you posted, but I'm not going to jump to inferences as fast as you did. Your theory opens more holes than it closes.

Right without trying to sound sarcastic with you or anything I think you need to educate yourself on how politics work.Hint; Don't bother trying to learn anything from mainstream media.

It has nothing to do with paranoia it's just people wanting to know the truth. Don't you think people should be told the truth?

People should be told the truth. But before you disagree with "the goverment's truth", you should search for something more logic. Saying that they want to control the community BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE COMMUNITY doesn't make any sense. Again, I'm NOT saying that your theory is completely illogic, I'm just pointing you that it doesn't make any sense either.

QUOTE (Albert Einstein)

The search for truth is more precious than its possession.

I do not ignore the so called "evidence" you posted, but I'm not going to jump to inferences as fast as you did. Your theory opens more holes than it closes.

Right without trying to sound sarcastic with you or anything I think you need to educate yourself on how politics work.Hint; Don't bother trying to learn anything from mainstream media.

LOL so now the minstream media is against everybody? First it was Fox news because they had commentators who happened to give the conservative view and appeared to be Bush's right hand. Now that a semi-liberal Democrat is in office and this failed attack takes place, you blame a coverup on the the govts and the whole media. Whatever.....

It has nothing to do with paranoia it's just people wanting to know the truth. Don't you think people should be told the truth?

People should be told the truth. But before you disagree with "the goverment's truth", you should search for something more logic. Saying that they want to control the community BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE COMMUNITY doesn't make any sense. Again, I'm NOT saying that your theory is completely illogic, I'm just pointing you that it doesn't make any sense either.

QUOTE (Albert Einstein)

The search for truth is more precious than its possession.

I do not ignore the so called "evidence" you posted, but I'm not going to jump to inferences as fast as you did. Your theory opens more holes than it closes.

Right without trying to sound sarcastic with you or anything I think you need to educate yourself on how politics work.Hint; Don't bother trying to learn anything from mainstream media.

LOL so now the minstream media is against everybody? First it was Fox news because they had commentators who happened to give the conservative view and appeared to be Bush's right hand. Now that a semi-liberal Democrat is in office and this failed attack takes place, you blame a coverup on the the govts and the whole media. Whatever.....

I haven't blamed anyone because I don't know who's behind it. I'm trying to get a clear picture of what took place but the media only likes to report one side of the story which if anything sounds like a joke.

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

Fuck me I really am paranoid.

Why the hell would marney be paranoid? Terrorists will never strike Liverpool. What the fuck does Liverpool have to offer?

^Would you feel better if that 'Al-Qaeda' didn't 'fail'?There are theories about fails and there are theories about successes, everyone is conspiracing everyone and purposely ignoring and untrusting the goverment.

It's a story full of holes as with most 'terrorist' attacks and I'm trying to fill in the gaps to get a clear picture of what actually happened. If it's like the government say then they should show us proof and not just; 'It happened the way we say it did so stop asking questions' bullshit.They'll probably show us some stills from the airport showing him about to board the plane or something instead of proper footage just like they did with Atta (That pic wasn't even from the same airport he's supposed to have boarded the hijacked plane) on 9/11. And before you start going on about 9/11 you might want to know that half of the people who put together the official 9/11 report now admit they filled it with lies.You can call people conspiracy wackos all you like but the government have admitted to false flag terror attacks before so why should we take what they say now as fact?

So the logic is "there are holes in the story, and since the goverment lied to the community before, I assume that that's what they do now"?Sure, there is a chance for conspiracy, but why would the goverment bother doing it? Obama himself said that THEY FAILED IN STOPPING IT and that 'IT WAS OUR SYSTEM'S FAIL THIS TIME', so I really can't find a good reason why should they lie to 7 milliard people who watch the news.

Why would the govenment bother doing it? To bring in more laws and restrictions to further control the population.Intelligence failed? Do you really think the intelligence community are that crap?

So the goverment tries to gain an absolut control on the people, but some of you are smarter and know that goverment is lying? Why would the goverment try to control the community even more? Even if your point is "inteolligent", what tells you it's right? You're critisizing the American goverment too fast. After all, these are people who run it. Unless you suffer from paranoya at it's best, I doubt you really belive that everything the American goverment (and thus all of the goverments) are providing you with false information. BUT, TODAY, you choosing not to belive the American goverment as it's leader is Obama, makes more sense than 5 years ago. If your point is that Obama is not worth being a president and will do all to look better, whilst he causes only troubles, I can clearly say that I agree.

Fuck me I really am paranoid.

Why the hell would marney be paranoid? Terrorists will never strike Liverpool. What the fuck does Liverpool have to offer?

Anyway, ignoring him ^ Why did this kid decide to get on a plane bound for Detroit? Was he trying a recruiting tactic for the US military? We know how bad the jobless rate is there and I'm sure some of its jobless will be outraged at this attempted attack in their state and will realise that they could kill two birds with one stone by signing up to kill rag heads and get paid too.

Anyway, ignoring him ^ Why did this kid decide to get on a plane bound for Detroit? Was he trying a recruiting tactic for the US military? We know how bad the jobless rate is there and I'm sure some of its jobless will be outraged at this attempted attack in their state and will realise that they could kill two birds with one stone by signing up to kill rag heads and get paid too.

Detroit jobless problem solved?

You and I are strangely on the same page with this.

The War on Terror was getting weak. We need some more "bleeding hearts" to fuel the support on the war, including new recruits for the military. Seems a lot of our servicemen are coming home in wooden boxes.