I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

NewportBarGuy:I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Yeah, but there may be Republicans who would neither vote for it nor filibuster it. That way it passes so they don't get blamed for not having a deal but they don't have the "yes" vote on their records.

NewportBarGuy:I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Nice how on the one hand the politicians proclaim America the best Country in the World, then on the other hand they do everything to run the country like they couldn't give a shiat. Obama was re-elected on November 2nd, so all of them had just about two whole months to avert this, but they haven't. Jerks.

I can't believe that just this one time, we can't drop partisan politics and just make a nice deal that will save us from plunging into the abyss. It's bad enough that most of the major companies have fled to other climes to pay their workers shiat wages and no benefits, so work is hard to find , and the jobs you CAN find are crap that don't pay. Now, we are looking at taxing everyone at a higher rate, when the economy is in a steady depression, and unemployment is high. One would like to think that we elected these people to actually, I don't know, HELP the constituents they represent, and let go of the political line they drive on all the time. Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

GAT_00:NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Every single part of this is absurd and I think unlikely.

I don't foresee a resolution occurring in enough time. If all budgetary bills must originate in the House and if this one originates in the Senate then I think we'll see what we saw a few months ago when another budgetary bill was originated in the Senate. They allowed it to come up for a vote in the House because they knew it couldn't be passed. The House only needs to accuse Obama of trying to bypass the Constitution and suddenly this becomes a discussion about who did what and not the fiscal cliff.

Watered down version I'm sure- a few higher taxes on the wealthiest, elimination of programs that don't exist but have been budgeted for 2013. Probably balancing the budget in the short term but raising the debt ceiling a bit, cause, ya gotta have options.

I'd prefer eliminating charity and home mortgage interest write-offs, raising the minimum tax on the wealthiest to 22-25% on derivatives for those earning 250k or more, all government programs take a 2% or more reduction, and pay the additional 2% on my own earned income. Tax property sales of over 200k on people who earn 250k (combined wages and any other income that year property is sold). Tax gifts of cash/monetary gifts of over 50k. Place import taxes on companies who have moved from domestic to overseas, minimum tax on those who choose to return.

In all fairness, imposing a flat non-returnable annual tax of $100 on our lowest wage earners (that's like a bag of weed or half a carton of cigs/12 pack of cheep beer monthly) as they seem to place the heaviest burden on our public services. Seriously time to look at religious organizations that are openly exploiting the tax laws and the revenue they generate, medicare fraud, start taxing luxury again.

Mrtraveler01:Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

Part of me is okay with this.

The rest of me, not so much. Our society doesn't set its mind on "what you can do for your country", it thinks of the exact opposite. We can't afford all the stuff we want right now, even if we jack the rate up on the rich. Everyone would have to contribute more. This won't happen.

Graham: "We had a deal but the White House ruined it! Its all their fault!"White House: "We did? It is?"Media dutifully stenographs: "Graham Says White House Scuttled Deal To Save Us From Financial Ruin, White House Denies, Both Sides Are Still Bad"

Mrtraveler01:Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

The reason why raising taxes over $250,000 is that it is excessive and not fair for those making under $250,000. It creates envy and class warfare. Besides that money should be going to creating jobs and helping the economy, not paying down our debt. The French court ruled that François Hollande's 75% tax on millionaires is unconstitutional just a few days ago. If Obama gets his way, Conservatives and Tea Party folks must fight this tax in the court. It will eventually go up to the Supreme Court who will rule it unconstitutional.

My bet is they go over the cliff, then early next year they will pass the exact same deal that they refuse to accept now. They are going to allow taxes to go up, without voting on it, so the republicans can claim they never voted to raise taxes. Then after Jan. 1, after the automatic raises go into effect, they will pass the exact same thing they refuse to pass now, because then they can claim they voted to lower taxes.

/all politics are local//they only care about getting re-elected back home///not what is best for the nation

Silly Fark headlines that misrepresent the content of the linked articles are tolerable if we're reading about a Kardashian or teachers having sex with students, but this fiscal cliff thing is a little more important than that.