posted by toledolen_
on Sep 07, 2012
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No Problem madjack&upso. It's on my to do list :-) Heard about it 2 weeks ago from some shooters, but couldn't find anything about it on-line either. Today I dug a little harder because nothing would come up with my keywords either. Delusionally speaking, I am a bit surprised not 1 word was mentioned about it from our fair and balanced media.

Wow - so much anger Madjack. You are truly the most joyless, saddest person here. But if screaming at me and throwing your glass at the screen every time you see me post makes you feel better about your fat, drunk, out of work self, then please by all means, get it out of your system.

posted by SensorG
on Sep 07, 2012
at 10:13:42 am
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Obviously flame throwers can be used right here. Just need a place for those rocket launchers.

I use Clelands about once a month. I would like to check this place out.

The new range is in the light industrial buildings on the road just north of the trail between Ford and Conant. (it runs parallel to the trail) Haven't been in yet, but an extended family member has talked to the guy and said he seems like a decent sort. Looking forward to going - have a rifle that has never fired a round.

Thanks for the review. Was it very busy on Saturday? I fell into a routine of sheduling a gap in my workweek so that I could visit Clelands during the weekdays. If the crowds are not as heavy at the new place on the weekend it would be a nice option.

I went today. I like it. The video wasn't bad. All common sense stuff. Good reminders.
Glad that everybody else has to watch it. :)

A nice feature is the countertop with bar stools in the showroom with windows into each lane so that non-shootering guests can watch their folks shoot in a more comfortable way.

I sensed that the low frequency trapping was worse than Clelands. The booms were extra boomy. But I got used to it. More concrete in a smaller space, maybe. The 50 foot and 75 foot are divided by a block wall.
Shooting alone today, I sent 185 rounds of three different calibers downrange in about an hour. I don't think that I could go two hours. So the visit pricing works out ok. All lanes were never full. But it was hopping. I was helped right away.
20 bucks all I could shoot.
I also enjoyed the wider shooting stations. Cleland's new range is so narrow that my shoulders touch and the brass sometimes hits me in the face. Compared to Clelands they seemed generous.
I would go back.
They rent a lot of current model stuff and sell also.

They require you to buy their ammo for their rental weapons.
Makes sense.
You are free to use your own ammo for your own weapons. They have everything you need, but I brought everything with me including targets and paid only range fee.

Gun guys (and gals): can you recommend a place to take a basic pistol class? Not interested in getting a CCW, just thinking of getting some familiarity with handguns and maybe do a little target shooting. Have never shot a pistol before.

The place is on Sophia street, which runs parallel to the Anthony Wayne Trail between Conant and Ford. Once you find Sophia you'll find the range pretty easily, as Sophia is only a few blocks long.

The place is clean and well lit, although I could do with a little better lighting on the range. The rest rooms are clean and the staff is friendly and helpful.

They have a huge inventory of rental guns, so if you'd like to try something out then this is your first stop. Rentals include rifles as well as handguns. The only caveat is that you must buy all your rental gun ammo from Shooters.

They have firearms instruction available on an appointment basis, individual or groups and includes CCW classes.

Have you guys been watching the video again on subsequent visits? Or when you tell them that you are a return guest, do they skip it?
(I have gone back a couple of times, but have always taken a new guest with me, so I am still not sure on the video. I've seen it a few times now.)

I think my daughter and/or son(s) and I will have to stop by for some paper shooting... I love indoor ranges. After years of standing in the rain, snow, whatever in order to qualify with an M16A1and2 and an M1911A1, I am still grateful for comfortable shooting.

UPSO I hope that's not you in the photo. That's an AR15 being fired at what looks like at best 20 yards (it should be fired at 36 or more).

Then in the next picture the target looks like someone shot it with a shotgun the pattern is so spread out. I hope you don't ever have to shoot me. Not because I'm afraid of dying, but because I'm afraid I'll be in pain for several minutes as you shoot me multiple times at close range before I'm finally fatally hit.

LOL just busting your balls.

I may come in town for the Walleye run this year. If I do I'll let you all know so anyone who wants to have a friendly shooting competition can meet me there.

Sensor would probably be surprised to learn ANYBODY can own a flame thrower. ANYBODY! They are less regulated than a 410 gauge shotgun.

A friend of mine had his farm hand use a flame thrower to finish the clear cut of some of his property. A densly wooded piece of land became a rolling prarie with a pond in the matter of about 3 months.

I wish I could have helped. Flamethrowers are fun. Remember you can't spell Harem Elf Rot without Flamethrower!

Took my stepson-to-be to Shooters this past weekend for his birthday. We watched the video at home on youtube before we went and watched it again at their shop. The place was packed and we had about a 45 minute wait. I had called ahead a few days prior and mentioned that this would be his first go around with a gun. When we arrived I referenced the earlier phone call. One of the managers, Keith, treated the little guy like a king. He gave him some free ammo and targets. Keith introduced us to Terri, who "sized" several of the .22 rental pistols for his smaller hands.

Terri took us out onto the range. She slowly, carefully and cautiously walked him through the process. Happily her emphasis was on his safety first and enjoyment second. The little guy went through about 100 rounds with the Ruger .22 before we moved onto some of my bigger stuff (.32 KelTec / .380 Walther / .38 SW / .40 Sig).

He had a blast! Keith and Terri were great with us. I normally shoot on a very big, well ventilated range. When I can't, or when I am with non-coworkers, Shooters of Maumee is a excellent option with a very knowledgeable, helpful staff. Cheers for the business and that goes double for the service.

Ace...you might want to check out gunteachers.com. Joe is a former coworker who knows his stuff and is a lot of fun to learn and train with. Whether a CCW class or just for enjoyment, he is a great resource. Coincidentally, he hosts classes at Shooters.

They have been pretty busy lately. Stopped in today to get some shooting in. They had 9mm but no 22LR, btw.
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Hey MadJack,* were you in there this morning? There was a gentleman who arrived wearing a Fedora, who later loaned me a pushpin for my target and I let him shoot my Mosin Nagant.

Was that you by any chance? I didn't think of it at the time, but did later.

They have been pretty busy lately. Stopped in today to get some shooting in. They had 9mm but no 22LR, btw.
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Hey MadJack,* were you in there this morning? There was a gentleman who arrived wearing a Fedora, who later loaned me a pushpin for my target and I let him shoot my Mosin Nagant.

Was that you by any chance? I didn't think of it at the time, but did later.

No, it wasn't I. I haven't been shooting in a while now due to the cost of ammo.

Coincidentally I own one of those - bolt action, integral bayonet 7.62 × 54r. A real workhorse of a rifle, and the caliber is a man stopper. I've shot it enough to know that it requires a recoil pad if you're going to put many rounds through it. I think I paid $110 for the rifle and a box of ammo - I couldn't resist the deal. The rifle is surprisingly accurate.

I have a M44 Mosin carbine. I think I paid around $100. for it several years ago. Recoil is ok, with 150 gr. bullets. Shooting offhand makes the recoil much more tolerable. From the bench, I need a recoil pad, though. IMO, the best deal on the market for the money! I have the Russian model, in near mint condition. I'm looking for the Polish version, which is the nicest looking of the series.

Gotcha Jack. Figured it was worth the ask. Your "nondoppleganger" was very nice. I usually leave the mosin until I am almost done. It's pretty loud, so I run 5 or 10 rounds through it and pack up. The report often brings onlookers.

Sounds like you both have the M44. I have a couple of 91/30s that I got when they were cheaper. One is a hex from before the war, and one is a round receiver from 1943. The hex is pristine. Both have great bores. I would like an M44, but I've had other priorities and they are a couple hundred bucks now. I find the 91/30s to be incredibly accurate, all things considered.
I've not fired an M44, but I am told that they are one part rifle, and one part flamethrower.
I see that Classic Firearms has/had M44s in the bulk packs. They end up being about 190 a piece, I believe.

Does anyone here shoot at Maumee, and at Adams? How do they compare to each other besides one being mostly open air? The reason I ask is I haven't shot indoors in the last 45 years. Thanks!

I don't think that I have been to Adams in 45 years. Lol.
But I've mostly done outdoor rifle shooting.
Maumee is the first place that I have done indoor rifle.

Two different animals. Besides the aesthetic, 75 feet is shorter than any of my rifle optics are sighted at. So, open sights are ok, but anything with optics has to be held really low. Indoors is darker too. I'd rather deal with wind than dark shadows. So, really, in my opinion, a 75 foot indoor rifle range is just a place to do a little testing and preliminary sighting... Try out something new that you buy over the winter. Better than nothing, but not the same as being able to shoot outside at distances like the 200 yard at Adams. Hitting a bullseye ay 75 feet with a hunting rifle is not the same.

From JustRead: I've not fired an M44, but I am told that they are one part rifle, and one part flamethrower.

And one part howitzer. The thing makes enough racket to cause a stuffed crocodile to climb a tree. I wouldn't shoot mine indoors. If the spurt of flame out the barrel didn't set the target on fire, the noise would probably get me thrown out.

While it doesn't kick like a mule, I would not be inclined to run more than 20 shots through it before heading out to the bar for a little anesthetic.

From JustRead: I don't think that I have been to Adams in 45 years.

How old are you, anyway? I thought McCaskey was old, but this - well, even with the ubiquitous grain of salt, 45 years is a long time.

Is a 44 louder than a 91/30 because of the shorter barrel?
I have never been thrown out for shooting the 91/30 at SOM, but I keep it brief and mainly shoot other things, including plenty of 22. I don't stand there and run through a bunch of 7.62×54R and call it plinking.

The grain of salt was enormous today. I think that it has probably only been 25-30 years since I was at Adams.

I have done very little muzzle loader shooting. Just a couple of times with buddies' guns.

They have been pretty busy during normal hours. I've noticed that they do the range portion of the CCW class once a month before they open on Sunday mornings. Maybe if there was a big enough group, they would let us in an hour or two early one week when there is no CCW class. 12 lanes fill up quick these days. The word is out. When I go right when they open, when I am finished an hour or so later, there are people waiting for an open lane. I suppose the waiting for lanes could be the social hour.

Ballistic level 8 range - they say they can take anything 3600 fps and under.

We shot there before Thanksgiving. Nice facility, some typically unsafe shooters, and I would have preferred a closer watching range officer.

But we survived and will go back.

CC

I would make sure whoever goes is familiar with the specs on their weapon. The FPS is important metric when determining what we in the military call Surface Danger Zones (SDZ).

An SDZ is the possible riccochet area for every 1000 rounds of whatever caliber and each weapons has it's own. I have been on ranges where someone brought the wrong caliber weapon thinking that because it's a range it's ok only to have a close call with a riccochet. It is F***ing scary! Luckily no one got her and the individual who did that was quickly charged.

When I was about 19 I purchased a case of Remington Standard Velocity Kleenbore 22 LR (5000 rounds) for about $50 from someone who shot at the matches at Camp Perry. Since then I've shot less than one brick (500 rounds). I wonder what 4500 rounds of 48 year old 22 LR ammo would go for today?

I was able to call today and spoke with Terri. If she recalls correctly, the minimum number of folks for a private group session on a Monday or after hours is 12 people. She recommended that I call Dan later today to confirm that. That would make it $240.00 for the group of twelve, plus $50.00 for group access to the rental pool. They'd like to schedule that a week or two in advance, so that they can coordinate staffing.

I am not so sure that we have 12 folks. I wonder if we should try an early Saturday morning first and gauge interest.

(I also wonder if Dan or Keith would open a little early on a Saturday for a small group, knowing that it would increase the day's take and get the lanes open sooner for his Saturday regulars.)

One other ammo note: no steel core rounds. I order some special rounds for my Mosin Nagant, so I don't use the surplus russian and bulgarian rounds there. (They are steel core.)

Let me just say that there is a strong chance (God willing and the creek don't rise) that I will be standing at the counter at 9:59am Saturday, April 13. If you are there too, say hello. I will be shooting on the rifle side. Often found in lane 7, when available. I look forward to meeting any other TT shooting enthusiasts that may wander by.