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Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux

For some reason, there are some that are averse to discovering that women can be just as tough as men. I don't really get it, personally.

Well it's not altogether irrational when most men I know are stronger than most women I know. If you talk about fine tuned physiques this becomes even more obvious. Clearly there are very fit women who can take down men who aren't optimally fit or men who are generally smaller. But in most cases you put a fit man up against a fit woman in hand to hand combat and the man is gonna trounce her. How am I supposed to pretend to not know this?

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

So you dispute their claim that there are overall differences in bone structure and upper body strength when it comes to men vs women? Or do you dispute their claim that women suffer more fractures and bone related injuries than men during training? Or do you just dispute their un-PC way of stating the claim straight up?

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

I guess I will share this somewhat personal experience to maybe provide some insight for both sides of the argument.

When I was deployed for OIF, I was deplyed to Al Jabr AFB Kuwait, as part of the ACE(air combat element) in support of the Marines on the ground. So I was not in a literal "combat" situation, but I was part of a support unit where women do serve. There were females in my unit, and females that were under my watch as a Corporal at the time.

We fought the good fight, accomplished our mission, and came home.

About a month later, one of my female Marines knocks on my door and her husband is with her. Apparently somebody told him, that she had been sleeping with one of our Sergeants in the unit while we were in Kuwait. I had no ****ing clue as to what the hell they were talking about, and I told him I never saw anything going on myself. However, after inquiring with some of my fellow NCOs, there indeed had been some hanky-panky going on between her and the Sergeant and somebody decided to run it up the chain of command and all sorts of **** happened, with people having to go in and give statements and ll this other garbage. The couple ended up divorcing over it, but somehow the Sergeant in question was able to avoid any punitive actions(as well as the female in question). Basically they couldn't charge on hearsey alone, and since neither one of them admitted to it, there was no evidence they were adulterous.

Did their sexual relationship impact our squadrons ability to perform its mission? No. Did their sexual relationship become a distraction to the unit, after it was made aware to the chain of command? Yes.

You can draw your own conclusions as to whether it would have affected the ability for us to execute our mission, had the chain of command known at the time, or a pregnancy ensued from the relationship.

"Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by talloulou

Well it's not altogether irrational when most men I know are stronger than most women I know. If you talk about fine tuned physiques this becomes even more obvious. Clearly there are very fit women who can take down men who aren't optimally fit or men who are generally smaller. But in most cases you put a fit man up against a fit woman in hand to hand combat and the man is gonna trounce her. How am I supposed to pretend to not know this?

Hold the women to equal standards. I have no problem with doing so.

HOwever, I've also seen some scrawny, pencil-necked infantry guys. So, I think you have an overly optimistic view of what the average infantryman looks like and can do.

Israel does it. Are Jewish women inherently more badass than American women? I THINK NOT.

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by talloulou

Well it's not altogether irrational when most men I know are stronger than most women I know. If you talk about fine tuned physiques this becomes even more obvious. Clearly there are very fit women who can take down men who aren't optimally fit or men who are generally smaller. But in most cases you put a fit man up against a fit woman in hand to hand combat and the man is gonna trounce her. How am I supposed to pretend to not know this?

Honestly, the odds of engaging in hand-to-hand combat in modern warfare is quite remote. I never once saw this oddity happen in two tours.

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Did their sexual relationship impact our squadrons ability to perform its mission? No. Did their sexual relationship become a distraction to the unit, after it was made aware to the chain of command? Yes.

Do other sorts of interpersonal conflicts impact your squadron's ability to perform its mission and become a distraction to the unit? If so, then you are drawing an unfair standard for male/female relationships.

I'm sure that there have never been sexual conflicts involving the guys in your unit messing around with each other's wives, right? (This happened in the police department I worked for).

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by Tashah

Then we disagree. Might as well can all the female cops also

You mean all the ones who can't meet the same qual standards as men. Absolutley.

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: Should females be allowed to specialize as infantry in the military?

Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux

Do other sorts of interpersonal conflicts impact your squadron's ability to perform its mission and become a distraction to the unit? If so, then you are drawing an unfair standard for male/female relationships.

Yes they do. We had to send one guy back, because him and another guy got into a fight and he ended up with a severely broken ankle. That affected the manpower of that particular unit, and while they still accomplished the mission, it took a perfectly good guy out of the fight.

"Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis