oubaas, talking about the crux from bolt 1 to 4? i vote that it merits an upgrade - much the same way a grade 36 route might consist of two or three moves that would score only 34/35 individually on bouldering.

i felt its as difficult (if not more) than some other 20s around. might feel different once i cracked it though.....

Mnr Mok. Firstly this isn't bouldering and secondly don't try to justify the upgrading of a route simply because the crux section is longer than the one move crux climbs you seem to be used to. I think its a 19 of fighting standard..... Nag mnr Mok

he oubass ja jammer man, did not mean to give you carrots on the grading - always a subjective issue i guess. from what i've read it is acceptable to upgrade a route by one notch if there is a number of high-difficulty moves for the proposed grade. debateble for sure. always subjective.

Hi Oubaas, if you do the RD, please can you also update the Bronkies page on climb.shortURL.com as well. I've added some of the new routes, but can't remember the name of the new 20, next to Lamb to the Slaughter.