Take the Daily Mail RJ. It purports to be standing up for your everyday Brit. Who owns and runs it? Who writes for it?

These people barely leave Belgravia except to top up their Cayman Island bank accounts so when would they ever actually meet any of the regular joes they target. Same goes for the other papers and media giants. Their stories on politics regularly post sources as think tanks paid for and run by the establishment as well. Often it's flat propaganda for their interests.

So it's not them all sitting in a boardroom. Unfortunately it's much more subtle.

Thats just one way of looking at it... that the people with power are all acting as one self-interested group...

Yes they have undue influence but that it different than the acting as a secret state within a state.It fails to account for the fact that these people often have conflicting views of the world and are all pushing different agendas.

That idea that there could be a state within a state supports their agendas because it encourages the idea that politics is just a theatre and supresses the vote, particularly amonsgt people that want there to be real change in the way governments are run

RP.com • 1 hour, 6 minutes agoTake the Daily Mail RJ. It purports to be standing up for your everyday Brit. Who owns and runs it? Who writes for it?

I dont think the regular writers for the Dailymail live in Belgravia, they probably commute in like the rest of the plebs as for the owners, of course they'll set agendas to further their own interests, if i was part of the 1% id be using my money to completely destroy the DUP or to further things that i think are worth furthering so they're arent exactly doing anything nefarious nor are they globally conspiring to bring about some crazy assed utopia where were all slaves to them. Its simply how the world works.. and you either accept it and get on with life ergo me or you waste far for too much brain cycles on something you have fuck all control over

Real power lies with the people. I think we forget just how cushy we have or had it. We are all, in comparison with the rest of the world, born in the lap of luxury.

But if things turn, people go a day without eating, all the DM leader columns in the world won't stop people taking to the streets to change it. Elites have power as the dirty secret is, its in our shared interest that things continue like they have been.

The stability and relative prosperity brought about by these elites, for us in the west, is the product of those elites having their boots on the necks of other people in the world. We exploit poorer countries or buy them off to make sure our life here continues to be soft and worry free. We accept this as the way of things.

Change in that system of power projection and control, with consequences for how we live, must come from other parts of the world as the vast majority in the west have zero interest in the revolution of a system that benefits them the most.

In the daily mail example... when they attack the judges as being enemies of the state ... does that mean it is part of the deep state and the judges are some kind of renegades freedomn fighters or visa versa?

It means the establishment want Brexit. They don't want to have their power dilluted. There was no doubt a time when the EU suited their desire for control but it seems the labour and environmental laws restricting their business activities got too much.

Look how they have hounded Corbyn since he came in. His ideas like a greater emphasis on income equality and a check on CEO salaries are in direct opposition to the establishment. Its a concerted effort no mistake about it.

The writers might not live in Belgravia RJ but the write to their owners tastes. Otherwise they'd be out. Also they have probably got into the industry with unpaid internships and degrees, another filter ensuring only a small band of society can be a part of the in group that the media now is.

So when the BoE and all thgose other big financial institutions were engaging in 'Project fear' before the referendum they were actually anti-establishment renagdes in league with the judges fighting the deep state?

So does that make trump some kind of crypto-deep state agent, being pro-brexit... and all this deep state briefing against him is a charade...

For that matter, was Obama (being anti-brexit) also fighting the deep state...

I am talking about the UK pav and the power politics that exists here. The US has its own.

I would be more interested in talking about how commentators in the press dismissed the BoE reports and instead focused on the immigrant invasion supposedly coming our way. Where was there sense of balance and consideration of the facts then? I mean you obviously think they are doing this all in good faith and have just got it wrong perhaps.

Apart from some exceptions the Leave campaign was the work of a small group of the super wealthy using their mouthpieces in the media and political to good effect, despite the mountain of evidence for Remain

It's not as black and white as you like to try and make it.

Many politicians I'd see as actually being paid mouthpieces for the establishment rather than part of it themselves. Empty suits.

I saw some quotes from this... hoping to watch the full thing tomoIs it possible the press conference was intentionally bad to drive a bigger wedge between his supporters and the msm... give him an excuse to refuse to talk to the again.

To summarize:
+ The leaks about Flynn were real, but the news that said that is fake
+ Asked a reporter if she could set up a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus because she's black, saying "Are they friends of yours?"
+ Said he watches CNN and that he doesn't watch it anymore in the same sentence.
+ Started ranting about Hillary Clinton for whatever reason (I think he misses her)
+ "Nuclear holocaust would be like no other"
+ Was told he was lying about saying his was the greatest Electoral College margin since Reagan
+ And finally this gem:

Him being asked by the Jewish Journalist about how he plans to tackle up tick in anti-semtism, even after being told that he wasnt being accused of being anti-semitic, he still manages to come off sounding like a dickhead. Anyway, no surprise.