Have any of the New Atheists toured [[Islam]]ic countries giving lectures in which they condemn [[Allah]], [[Muhammad]], Islam, or Muslims? Have any of them debated Muslims in Islamic countries? Have any of them been interviewed on Al Jazeera? Have any of them written entire books in which they condemn Allah, Muhammad, Islam, or Muslims? Have they ... (more)

<quoted text>. Additionally, there are many aspects of christianity that are clearly lifted straight from earlier pagan religions. If you deny this - then the only other option is that early chrisitans somehow independently created rituals and lore almost exactly the same as existing pagan practices.

...Mr."timn17" and "Givemeliberty"...wh o is my better in every field ..( I have to tell him that..it's his self-esteem)

Let us grant ,once and for all, that God's intercourse with his creatures is not confined to the Old and New Covenants ,and that Christianity includes many doctrines accessible to the unaided human reason ..such as..baptism..Sin..Priesthood.. sacrifice ..

But, Christianity is unique in it gravity ,directness ,consistency ..and,Christianity is different in where Christ commands that we should love "all" men (including "Mikko")..and, that all men share equality ...(No chosen races in this gig ..!!)

You asked for churches and medals, I proved they exist and I could have given dozens of more examples but you were already factually crushed.Your Islam comment must result from your wet brain syndrome. Yes German soldiers obeyed Hitler just as roman soldiers obeyed Constantine.Following orders is what soldiers do. Not to mention Christianity was so close to the religion of the Greek gods anyways many probably had to squint to tell the difference.Checkmate.<quoted text>

1) I doth protest.!!..How could I know what going on in Eastern Europe ....I'm not allowed to even cross the street by myself ....(this one you can have..Dry- Brain)2)Ah..very clever ..you omitted the "jewish adjective" in Hitlers Wehrmacht ..just, so you could answer me in the positive ...anything to win ..eh..??..Lance Armstrong Jr ..?3)If they were so married ...Why.??..The edict of Milan ..

I see you have been hitting the bottle again. Regardless my facts stand as 100% accurate and even through the wet brain syndrome and low IQ you know it.

Now that has been settled let's move on. When creating the Jesus myth it was important to incorporate stars into the mythology. This is because ancient people especially worshippers of the Greek gods believed the stars had magical powers and were used by Zeus and the other gods to communicate with them. When you read the classic tales of the Olympian gods, which predate the christian myth by centuries, you can't go a few pages it seems without reading how the alignment of the stars means this or movement of a star signals the coming of a god or action by the gods usually Zeus.

So in the Jesus myth instead of Zeus using a star to signify something important Yahweh sends a star to guide the sheep kissers. The sheep kissers are told to inform Herod of where the baby is but are later warned by an angel to not do this. A common plot device in the Olympic and other Greek gods tales.

number four wrote:

<quoted text>1) I doth protest.!!..How could I know what going on in Eastern Europe ....I'm not allowed to even cross the street by myself ....(this one you can have..Dry- Brain)2)Ah..very clever ..you omitted the "jewish adjective" in Hitlers Wehrmacht ..just, so you could answer me in the positive ...anything to win ..eh..??..Lance Armstrong Jr ..?3)If they were so married ...Why.??..The edict of Milan ..

<quoted text>I see you have been hitting the bottle again. Regardless my facts stand as 100% accurate and even through the wet brain syndrome and low IQ you know it.

Now that has been settled let's move on. When creating the Jesus myth it was important to incorporate stars into the mythology. This is because ancient people especially worshippers of the Greek gods believed the stars had magical powers and were used by Zeus and the other gods to communicate with them. When you read the classic tales of the Olympian gods, which predate the christian myth by centuries, you can't go a few pages it seems without reading how the alignment of the stars means this or movement of a star signals the coming of a god or action by the gods usually Zeus.

So in the Jesus myth instead of Zeus using a star to signify something important Yahweh sends a star to guide the sheep kissers. The sheep kissers are told to inform Herod of where the baby is but are later warned by an angel to not do this. A common plot device in the Olympic and other Greek gods tales.

I see you have been hitting the bottle again. Regardless my facts stand as 100% accurate and even through the wet brain syndrome and low IQ you know it.Now that has been settled let's move on. When creating the Jesus myth it was important to incorporate stars into the mythology. This is because ancient people especially worshippers of the Greek gods believed the stars had magical powers and were used by Zeus and the other gods to communicate with them. When you read the classic tales of the Olympian gods, which predate the christian myth by centuries, you can't go a few pages it seems without reading how the alignment of the stars means this or movement of a star signals the coming of a god or action by the gods usually Zeus.So in the Jesus myth instead of Zeus using a star to signify something important Yahweh sends a star to guide the sheep kissers. The sheep kissers are told to inform Herod of where the baby is but are later warned by an angel to not do this. A common plot device in the Olympic and other Greek gods tales.<quoted text>

...You "don't" have facts ...and, your subterfuge "proves" ..I intimidate you...or...you have no integrity ...(I lean towards, you have zero integrity )..(have you been accused of this ....before..??..that's a good sign.)..2)The ancients believed a King was foretold in the heavens ..Sumerian, Egyptian ,Oriental ,...(others)..I guess they "may" have been on to something ....2a)..Bible claims ...Wise Men ..witnessed this ..and made the journey ..from the East .amen

Your initial temper tantrum ignored due it being a reflex of your wet brain syndrome.

2: Especially in the accounts of the Greek gods we see star movement being key to the coming of a god/son of god. Why in Mithraism, centuries before Christianity we see wise men being guided by a star to hail and bring gifts to Mithras. In fact this was so important in Mithraism that during their winter solstice celebration on December 25th the Mithras worshippers would decorate a tree and even place a star on top in honor of the birth of Mithras! They would exchange gifts and sing joyous songs in praise to him. Also Mithraism was the religion that started having worship services on Sunday rather than the Jewish favorite Saturday.

Cough good thing the Christians never stole that eh? Cough.

So when will you be setting up your Mithras tree, err sorry Christmas tree?:)

number four wrote:

<quoted text>...You "don't" have facts ...and, your subterfuge "proves" ..I intimidate you...or...you have no integrity ...(I lean towards, you have zero integrity )..(have you been accused of this ....before..??..that's a good sign.)..2)The ancients believed a King was foretold in the heavens ..Sumerian, Egyptian ,Oriental ,...(others)..I guess they "may" have been on to something ....2a)..Bible claims ...Wise Men ..witnessed this ..and made the journey ..from the East .amen

<quoted text>Your initial temper tantrum ignored due it being a reflex of your wet brain syndrome.

2: Especially in the accounts of the Greek gods we see star movement being key to the coming of a god/son of god. Why in Mithraism, centuries before Christianity we see wise men being guided by a star to hail and bring gifts to Mithras. In fact this was so important in Mithraism that during their winter solstice celebration on December 25th the Mithras worshippers would decorate a tree and even place a star on top in honor of the birth of Mithras! They would exchange gifts and sing joyous songs in praise to him. Also Mithraism was the religion that started having worship services on Sunday rather than the Jewish favorite Saturday.

Cough good thing the Christians never stole that eh? Cough.

So when will you be setting up your Mithras tree, err sorry Christmas tree?:)

<quoted text>...Mr."timn17 " and "Givemeliberty"...wh o is my better in every field ..( I have to tell him that..it's his self-esteem)Let us grant ,once and for all, that God's intercourse with his creatures is not confined to the Old and New Covenants ,and that Christianity includes many doctrines accessible to the unaided human reason ..such as..baptism..Sin..Priesthood.. sacrifice ..But, Christianity is unique in it gravity ,directness ,consistency ..and,Christianity is different in where Christ commands that we should love "all" men (including "Mikko")..and, that all men share equality ...(No chosen races in this gig ..!!)

I guarantee you could find all of those features in other religions. Maybe not all together, but on their own none of those features are unique. Also - god has intercourse with his creatures? WTF?

Your initial temper tantrum ignored due it being a reflex of your wet brain syndrome.2: Especially in the accounts of the Greek gods we see star movement being key to the coming of a god/son of god. Why in Mithraism, centuries before Christianity we see wise men being guided by a star to hail and bring gifts to Mithras. In fact this was so important in Mithraism that during their winter solstice celebration on December 25th the Mithras worshippers would decorate a tree and even place a star on top in honor of the birth of Mithras! They would exchange gifts and sing joyous songs in praise to him. Also Mithraism was the religion that started having worship services on Sunday rather than the Jewish favorite Saturday.Cough good thing the Christians never stole that eh? Cough.So when will you be setting up your Mithras tree, err sorry Christmas tree?:)<quoted text>

..Again ..If Christianity ,...just adopts "new" ideas....WHY HAVE THEY STOPPED...???(adopting new ideas)...for 2000 years ..you, post "now it's about control" ...hasn't it ,, always been bout' control ...???...I'm trying not to call you stupid ....(okay...I'm only human ..good heavens)..You are stupid ..congratulations on your victory ..

<quoted text>I guarantee you could find all of those features in other religions. Maybe not all together, but on their own none of those features are unique. Also - god has intercourse with his creatures? WTF?

<quoted text>I guarantee you could find all of those features in other religions. Maybe not all together, but on their own none of those features are unique. Also - god has intercourse with his creatures? WTF?

..you post nice ...INTERCOURSE...I should not have to explain .....to you ..

..Christianity ..does not change ....This faith teaches ..to love "all" men and ..WE ARE ALL EQUAL ...what other of the ..many..many..many..other religions ..claim this ..???

..ahh..Buddhism ..not "even" a religion ..as there is no God and no personal responsibility (ie..hell)

Now don't forget Horus who was announced by an angel? Born of a virgin, walked on water, baptized to God in the river and later the holy man who baptized him was beheaded, 12 followers, healed the sick, blind, lame, deaf, raised a man named Lazarus from the dead, and oh I could go on it's just the Jesus story from thousands of years earlier he died and three days later rose from the dead.

This is a common occurrence in gods of that region Jesus was nothing special just an also ran.

number four wrote:

<quoted text>.phoenix...(I like you )..but, "timn17" is one f**king smart atheist ...!

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