Put your ePeen away. Obviously any semi organised team or a decent lone wolf player can deal with these, however if I'm getting up to 25 kills from 2 AGRs in a game I'll keep using them.

Also, stealth choppers are nearly impossible to shoot down before they get in the map as it's pretty much instant and they come in lower than previous cods, plus the clutter = more problematic to shoot down.

Thats not true for starters, i have shot many steath choppers down as they fly in using the LMG class, two full clips brings these down with no problems if you can find the cover to do it, and sometimes quicker if other team members start having a pop at them. i find they are the easiest of killstreaks to put to bed,

My Anti-Air class is a MK48 with FMJ and the FHJ-AA rocket launcher. I don't even waste time with rockets against helicopters, the FMJ MK48 will take them out in 30 bullets. When i hear a chopper is coming in I switch to that class and depending on when I die I can often get rid of it before it kills anyone. It's so easy I feel bad doing it.

HAHA, your so wrong, im a anti-killstreak dude. I use the FIM-92 Stinger in all the IW games and ofcourse i use the FHJ-18 AA in this game. If the Stealth Chopper is called in, it spawns all the way in the back of the map at a HUGE HIGHT (Best seen on Hijacked). After that is takes 8 seconds to destroy it!

i was using sentry - AGR - stealth. worked great for awhile on any game type, but people get wise and my AGR's get about 4-5 kills before they get taken out. sometimes i will use that combo on hardpoint and its pretty good. sometimes you can get multiple AGR's on the ground at the same time(i let them wander themselves)

It's a good combo and I'll tell you why. Even though many people will have classes setup to take them out. Most folks don't switch to them and those that do often have to choose which one that they want to take down. Even a guy with a launcher and two emps can't get all three of them without dying unless he's got scavenger of course. Even then it's hard to stay alive long enough to make that happen. So most folks won't bother trying to take all of them down even if they are equipped to do so.

It takes two EMP grenades for the AGR and yes it can be done but in the lobbies that I run in people tend to rush the spawns when that many killstreaks are on the map and you'll get killed repeatedly before you have time to take out all three. So unless you're willing to take a few deaths for the team then you'll be making some tough choices just like everybody else.

true story. I am not a great player. as an old man playing a young man's game, I just try to survive or help the team as much as I can. With the young men I play with, I established myself as the support player who keeps the battlefield free of equipment and the skies clear of nuisances. I have a good game every once in a while, but I am just as happy to help them all out.

I used to absolutely love my Stealth Chopper. But lately it seems like 4 out of 6 players have a rocket strapped to their back...

AGR's used to kick ass but now more players are using EMP grenades... no one used to use them. Also you can destroy an AGR with 1 black hat (which makes no sense since it takes 2 rockets + bullets to kill one.)

Any class with Blind eye completely negates your Stealth Chopper and Escort drone... I know you know this and I am not tryign to piss in your corn flakes. I like these 3 streaks also, but lately more players know the counters.

I find Hellstorm missile, Lightning Strike, Sentry gun really affective. Of those 3 only the Sentry gun can be countered but it usually kills 2-3 before it dies.

It's a good combo but if you have a dude like me in the game, your gonna have a bad time. The ARG takes 2 EMP grenades + 5 (normal) gun bullets, and the helicopters can be shot down so easily, even when they are flying out of map (not entered the map yet).

Seems like everyone wants to tell you how crappy it is, and how they'd do this this and this to take them all out... really, it doesn't matter, what matters is your kill count with them. I am always evaluating my streaks in the combat record. I've used hundred of AGR's and Stealth choppers. AGR's average me about 4-5 kills per AGR (I don't control them just let them roam so I can get gun kills), and Stealth Choppers about 6.

That said, the kill per is going down as people are getting better at taking them out. Bottom line is, while yes, people do have classes for anti-air, you still have to first die, then switch the class. By this time the chopper probably already got a few of their teammates. And, I'd say about half the time people don't take the stealth chopper out ever. So, those times it gets you the 8 kills or so, and the times it does get taken out I usually still pick up a couple.

The thing I love about running AGR/Stealth Chopper is you almost always get them together. And I always let them go at the same time, and usually a team will take out one or the other fairly quickly but not both. The escort drone multiplies that effect, although I prefer the warthog since it got patched it's pretty amazing.

Don't let these guys fool you, you don't run into try-hards like this on a regular basis in public matches.

Now escorts I believe are harder to shoot down. You want to talk about flying low, those things fly super low and are hard to spot at given points of certain maps, such as raid. Some people who run FHJs dont put on blind eye and seem to hope to respawn and get shots on the escort drone in the grace safety period, but it's nowhere to be seen. I really didn't care for the AH-6 in MW3 but I love the escort drone here.

As for AGRs... yeah, the few times I ran it I was cleaning up. I love seeing them myself since I always run EMPs and C4s with scavenger. EMP + C4 alone usually does it.

I just read through every post above me and apparently I am responding to a non-existent statement. My apologies if you did not say stealth choppers were hard to shoot down, but somebody above me must have retracted their statement because I clearly remember reacting to that notion, and I remember wanting to make the point that escort drones are the ones that can be a little trickier. Sometimes I have the habit of reading through a thread and hitting "reply to original post" even if my opening response is directed to somebody else, so this wasn't necessarily directed at you. Whatever the case, I know somebody tried to make a sneaky edit/delete after reading everybody discussing how easily stealth choppers go down.

I think one of the most annoying is UAV, then lightning bolt, then hellstorm in that order. I've had teams build these up and cycle the spawn 3 times or more several times in a match. This may not be high kills, but a team stacking these can be a pain.

In my opinion...switch AGR with VSAT or Lodestar...keep stealth and escort.

In theory, stealth and escort are good...online it changes. Usually they are decent enough though. I ran stealth chopper in TDM for awhile, then stopped...I ended up around 4 kills average. Escort is a bit more effective, so my guess is it would've given me around 6 had I run it instead.

AGR has too many drawbacks. VSAT however, while good, I find is really crappy at giving yourself kills. Its only real purpose is if you want to give your team a boost or perhaps get a slight killstreak cycle going(the points from vsat can go slightly farther than other upper tier).

Lodestar isn't too far off either imo. Stealth + escort should be able to get you to lodestar. Lodestar will also give you LOTs more kills than AGR.

This imo, however. Use what is good for your playstyle. I just think replacing AGR with VSAT or Lodestar might work out for you just a tad better.