1) Lowry is by far the most talented player in Toronto and has played just 3 games healthy.

2) I find Sam Smith to be a notorious ass-talker..... because it takes one to know one afterall

Not sure why a Chicago beat writer is discussing rumors about the Raptors.

I agree. Hard to believe BC is already shopping Lowry after only a handful of legit games. He's already tried to trade Jose 3 times, i doubt he's changed his mind already based on 13 games, well unless this is the Raps core that he's made up his mind with, then we are all fucked.

Im not sure how people are "calling BS" or not believing its possible that BC is shopping KL.

Id be massively disappointed if he wasnt!

I think KL is the better PG to keep over JC .. but if you can make a good deal with KL to get more value back, we should absolutely consider it. I think we all know what JC's trade value is (not very much .. maybe a late first rounder / 2nd rounder ala Barbosa last year) - so if you can call a mulligan on KL and get a first round pick similar to the one we gave up (or even get our exact pick back via OKC) .. Id do that all day every day. Same if you can package KL with AB to get a better package than JC/AB gets you.

Do I think JC is the answer at PG .. not necessarily, but hes a lot better option at PG than we have at most of our other positions, so Im cool if thats the route we take to improve the team.

Can't see this as having any truth to it. Lowry is still hands down the best over all player on the roster. Now, if only someone can talk some sense into him so he stops playing balls out all the time and injuring himself.

Can't see this as having any truth to it. Lowry is still hands down the best over all player on the roster. Now, if only someone can talk some sense into him so he stops playing balls out all the time and injuring himself.

In all honesty, the team was struggling to score around him. He felt he had to do something. Was he forcing the issue? Yes. I'm just waiting for the Raps to lose the rest of the road trip with Calderon having so-so games like last night so that the pitchforks come out and the fans demanding that he be shipped to Spain for a crate of oranges.

“The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King

I would be ok with trading Lowry if we got back a really good player, but this team MUST trade Jose. The team cannot continue to give away assets for nothing (VC Trade, Bosh, etc). When you have an expiring deal on a UFA, you either re-sign before the season or trade. Look at Utah with Deron, and Denver with Melo as prime examples. Jose isn't in their stratosphere, but the point is the same.

If the team continues to keep both players by season's end, then the season wasn't a success to me. Jose must go for the good of the franchise.

In all honesty, the team was struggling to score around him. He felt he had to do something. Was he forcing the issue? Yes. I'm just waiting for the Raps to lose the rest of the road trip with Calderon having so-so games like last night so that the pitchforks come out and the fans demanding that he be shipped to Spain for a crate of oranges.

That's so true. When Lowry went down and Jose played well against a soft schedule many were talking about Lowry being selfish and trying to play hero ball all the time. He was put in a position when the players around him were not producing and him being a competitor had to push the issue. Ofcourse that results in turn overs, but what do you expect? Lowry is the type of player that if he is going down, he's going to go down with guns blazing. Like you said, once the schedule gets tougher and the Rap's lose a few games everyone will be crying for Lowry to get back and Jose will once again be the pylon we should trade right away along with Bargnani for a "game changer" like teams are just lining up their franchise players to exchange for Jose and Andrea.

Im not sure how people are "calling BS" or not believing its possible that BC is shopping KL.

Id be massively disappointed if he wasnt!

I think KL is the better PG to keep over JC .. but if you can make a good deal with KL to get more value back, we should absolutely consider it. I think we all know what JC's trade value is (not very much .. maybe a late first rounder / 2nd rounder ala Barbosa last year) - so if you can call a mulligan on KL and get a first round pick similar to the one we gave up (or even get our exact pick back via OKC) .. Id do that all day every day. Same if you can package KL with AB to get a better package than JC/AB gets you.

Do I think JC is the answer at PG .. not necessarily, but hes a lot better option at PG than we have at most of our other positions, so Im cool if thats the route we take to improve the team.

What entails a good deal?

of the 10 teams that are currently struggling right now, which team has a point guard the same calibre as Lowry and will those teams be willing to trade?

As far as i can recall, no all-star or borderline all-star has been traded that netted his team a better or even a fair deal.

id say the return Denver got for melo was quite fair.. actually i think it was a very good deal for Denver

I'd say Utah did alright with the Deron trade. Favors, Kanter & Golden State's first rounder (Golden State's first-round pick, which is partially protected, in 2012. That selection is top-seven protected in 2012 and 2013 and top-six protected in 2014.)

I'd say Utah did alright with the Deron trade. Favors, Kanter & Golden State's first rounder (Golden State's first-round pick, which is partially protected, in 2012. That selection is top-seven protected in 2012 and 2013 and top-six protected in 2014.)

yep they got a decent return too.. have to add they got Devin Harris in that deal aswell though.

I would be quite upset if they traded Lowry. This "Ego" that people elude to Lowry possessing is confused with competitiveness and hustle. He does everything, from rebound, to take charges, to hit big shots, to drive fearlessly to the bucket and dive for loose balls. His work ethic has rubbed off on Demar, and it's evident in his rebounding numbers.

I'd be all for it. I like Lowry but its not like you're talking about getting rid of a Westbrook or a CP3. If we can get another player that can score and play D it'll be well worth it. Jose is already running the team better than Lowry ever could. If the Raptors were a better team Jose's poor D would be overshadowed. Hopefully Bargs is gone before Lowry though.

Im ok with moving Lowry if it is a clear upgrade for our team, i just hope we dont trade him for junk & 2013 1st rounder.. i feel Lowry is a much bigger asset then our 1st pick in the upcoming draft.. Id also like to see him back to being 100% & then make a choice.

LOL, on-line writers around the NBA know how to build up hits: write some anonymous source rumour, or just create one, about the Raptors, and all the naive little kiddies in TDot will be infected by it and spread it like an Alice in Wonderland cancer. What a gullible bunch here at RR

I would be quite upset if they traded Lowry. This "Ego" that people elude to Lowry possessing is confused with competitiveness and hustle. He does everything, from rebound, to take charges, to hit big shots, to drive fearlessly to the bucket and dive for loose balls. His work ethic has rubbed off on Demar, and it's evident in his rebounding numbers.

Lets not forget how Lowry reacted to Dragic taking over his starting role last year or his assault charge of a female ref when he wasn't happy with her call. His history is filled with more than 'competitiveness and hustle'