League admits to two touchdown errors in Sunday night game

The one that had the most impact on the outcome came from the inability of the officials patrolling the end zone to do their jobs properly, in real time and/or under the replay hood.

The availability of replay review is no substitute for getting it right in the first instance. On two separate occasions with scoring plays on the line, the officials got it wrong.

On the third occasion, referee Scott Green simply botched the replay review.

And all three calls worked against the team that lost by four points.

On the second play of the second quarter, a touchdown pass from Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers to tight end Andrew Quarless should have been ruled an incompletion. Quarless bobbled the ball after he landed out of bounds. (In the field of play, it’s OK to bobble the ball when hitting the ground as long as the ball doesn’t touch the ground. When landing out of bounds, possession must be maintained without bobbling. And, yes, these rules are indeed simple and clear.)

Though Vikings coach Brad Childress inexplicably failed to throw the challenge flag, the officials should be expected to be in position to see whether or not a pass is complete, especially in the end zone.

Later in the quarter, Vikings tight end Visanthe Shiancoe made a diving catch in the end zone, after running back Adrian Peterson bought time for quarterback Brett Favre with a crushing block on a blitzing linebacker. Though the ball hit the ground, the ball never moved. The call on the field was correct.

NBC’s Al Michaels Cris Collinsworth agreed. As Collinsworth said during the broadcast, “Because he never lost control of the football, I’d be very surprised if this one gets overturned.”

Added Collinsworth: “But I’ve been surprised a few times in the past, too.”

The Packers challenged, and referee Scott Green took away the touchdown, explaining that Shiancoe had “used the ground to help make the catch.”

Whatever that means.

The league office apparently doesn’t understand, either. Per Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, coach Brad Childress said on Monday that the league office has informed him the call had been blown.

Then, on the final drive of the night, Vikings receiver Percy Harvin made a catch at the back of the end zone that appeared to give the Vikings a stirring come-from-behind win. In real time, it was obvious that Harvin couldn’t have gotten both feet down. But an official, who was right on top of the play, concluded that Harvin did, and the official called it a touchdown.

And so the Vikings offense, after celebrating the “oh my heavens!“-style win, had to process the fact that their jubilation was moot.

Yes, Green got it right when he went under the hood, but the Vikings never should have been permitted to even think that they had won the game. Though they’re all pros and they know they have to refocus and proceed, it’s far easier said than done in the heat of the moment.

Thus, while we prefer the coach Brad Childress not publicly whine about the officiating in a game in which he made his fair share of mistakes, he has the right to be at least quietly upset.

Vikings fans can choose to direct their anger at any one of five or six different culprits.

UPDATE: As a reader points out, there was another touchdown that incorrectly was awarded and then wiped off the board on replay review. The Vikings scored a touchdown on the next play, so it wasn’t as big deal.

Sunday had quite a few official question marks. Why the leaque is not admitting and addressing this problem is a big question mark. Knowing the players and coaches can’t say anything with out being fined, it is easy for them to smooth over the calls by just notifying the teams of mistakes and that is the end of it.

Only one team from the NFC North will make the playoffs in all likelihood. The Packers are the only team that can represent. Favre is done, the Bears suck, and the Lions, while improving, aren’t there yet. This was the best outcome for the division.

I dont get what the hubbub is over the shiancoe catch. 1. he had no hand under it. 2. if you watch the replay, the ball moves upward when it contacts the ground. which is what green saw and called. yes it wasnt going to come out but by rule definition its a drop.

The best team still won ….. CM3 was held on nearly every blitz & it was called only once (facemask) ……..
The Vikes are still an inept team headed for a 6-10 season …… BF along with Chilly will be gone by January, 2011……. Then da Vikes can be the cellar-dwellars in the North for several more years because of all their “win now” bonehead decisions of the Chilly era.

Don’t blame the refs. Chilly should have challenged on the Quarless TD. It’s his fault that TD stood. One challenge flag and they probably win that game.
The Viking’s greatest enemy continues to be themselves and their terrible head coach, not some mythical NFL conspiracy. The delusion needs to stop.

NFL needs to get it’s S together and hire permanent professional referees. This group of weekend warriors just sucks. That said, we still lost this game on Favre’s pick 6, but we’re not in that position to begin with if we’re up by the right margin that those two botched calls cost us. Instead of winging the ball to a Packer, Peterson is grinding out yards playing from ahead. Just bitter all the way around.

The Packers challenged, and referee Scott Green took away the touchdown, explaining that Shiancoe had “used the ground to help make the catch.”
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That means when he doesn’t come up with the ball in the SAME spot as it was when it hit the ground, for instance when the point hit the ground, and he didn’t roll over with the ball in the SAME position and that would makes it clear that he did NOT have control/possesion of the ball.

they might as well hire high school officials if they can’t call the Harvin play. at least they’d have an excuse for their absurd calls. the ref was 10 yards away looking right at it with no obstruction of his view.
makes me think there’s a lot of them who are paid off.

How about taking some of the blame for not challenging the Quarless ‘touchdown’. Not only was there a bobble, but I don’t even think he got two feet down in the endzone. Either way, that’s why you have challenges, and it it’s that close on a big play, you need to throw the flag.

Go cry me a river. The referee screwing started in week one with the Calvin Johnson catch. We didn’t even get the dignity of an apology, just a wagonload of horse shit from Bill Polian about how ‘obvious’ it was.
Full time refs won’t solve this problem. A clearer and simpler rulebook will.

I agree with the fact the Vikings should’ve made the Super Bowl last year. (Anyone else think the Saints were a 1-year wonder?)
Granted all this would’ve done is to make it a tie game. But if the Vikings were in Field goal range, no doubt they would’ve won. Sad really.
The NFL needs to pony up and pay for full-time officials. These wannabes are ruining the game.

The NFL also apologizes for the fact that the Vikings are 2-4 and fading fast, they are sorry Favre came back only to expose himself to the world as the true pervert that he is, they are sorry that Jared Allen got $70 million and can’t seem to sack anyone, they are especially sorry that Sidney Rice tried to screw the Vikings and should have gotten surgery in the off season instead of waiting, sorry Chilly doesn’t seem to be able to count to 11 and effectively use his challenge flag.
We are very very sorry, will you ever forgive us?

There were several major calls that went in the Vikings favor as well, but nobody discusses them because they weren’t touchdown calls and the Packers won anyway so it’s a moot point.
1. Late hit called against Nick Collins gave the Vikings 15 yards and set up a touchdown.
2. On the Packers last drive, Greg Jennings got a terrible spot and should’ve had a first down. On the next play, the Packers went for it on 4th down and didn’t get it.
3. Roughing the passer on the fake field goal could easily have been called and continued the Packers drive.
4. There was also a pass to Greg Jennings that could’ve been called pass interference that was never called.
So the refs made mistakes both ways. The Packers probably got slightly luckier with them, but the calls weren’t as one sided as everyone makes them out to be. The Vikings had plenty of chances to win anyway that they shouldn’t be blaming it on the refs.

Significant referee mistakes (those that are potentially game-changing) impact every team, every year. Sometimes you come out on top, others you don’t, but it’s all a wash in the end.
Sincerely,
Titans fan that had money on the Vikings to win, and Percy Harvin on two fantasy teams and Shiancoe on another.

I think that is kinda a stretch ArticEdge. As a viking fan myself I thought the refs were horrible in that game but it kind of went both ways. However, the Refs didn’t throw a single interception from what I saw. Again I thought a great offensive scheme was ruined by players (one in particular) failure to execute.

On another issue — why, during the NE/SD game when the Charger receiver dove for the catch, had a Patriot jump over him without touching him, and then the receiver left the ball on the grass as he got up to celebrate his catch — why wasn’t the Calvin Johnson Rule invoked?
Incomplete.

“Without ref the Vikings would have won the Super Bowl last year and be 5-0 this year.”
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Yes, because a ref’s decision has never, ever, ever gone FOR the Vikings, has it? No, of course not. Every call is always against them. BOO HOO

The strange think about the Harvin TD mistake was that there was a ref about 5 yards staring at Harvin as he made the catch. They have a hard job, but when you’re in the right position to make the right call and don’t, you’re going to lose credibility.

Definitely some bad calls in that game, but I’m still mad at Chilly. He should have thrown the challenge flag on the Quarless TD. I also have a problem with the way he threw Favre under the bus after the game. Yeah Favre made some dumb mistakes. All of the writers and talking heads should be discussing it today. Even the players had the right to make comments. Chilly, however, should have talked to Favre about it in private. Let’s face it, before Favre came in and saved his hide last year, Chilly wasn’t looking to be a long-term employee of the Vikings. Not only did Favre save his job, he got Chilly a contract extension. Favre also passed on a number of opportunities to take shots at Chilly’s playcalling and some of his decisions. For instance, at the end of the first half, the Vikings were in a position to try and put some points on the board, but Childress chose to run out the clock. You could see the extreme frustration on both Favre and Moss at that point.

1. ArcticEdge says: October 25, 2010 5:48 PM
Typical for Vikings games. refs screw us over and the NFL apologizes the next day.
Without ref the Vikings would have won the Super Bowl last year and be 5-0 this year.
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It’s good thing you’re not paranoid or delusional at all.

Shiancoe hit the ground first with the tip of the ball, and it did move relative to his hands. I don’t think even the cirque du soleil guys can successfuly pogo their entire bodies on a football gripping it from the side. The replay resulted in the correct call. You’re correct on the rest of the article.

Please! Yes, the refs did miss the Quarless TD. But still, Childress had every opportunity to challenge and let it slip away. Kudos to McCarthy for having enough awareness to get the special teams unit on the field and kick the extra point before Childress could pull his thumb out from his a$s. And had Childress done what he should have, he wouldn’t have lost a timeout and would still have had 2 remaning challenges. Would have been no harm no foul. That one’s on the Vikings staff for blowing it despite the ref’s call.
And yeah, the Shiancoe TD probably should have been legit, but as I’ve been reading here before the game from the Vikings fans to the Packer fans about the injuries: Good Teams Overcome! That applies to to a couple bad calls to. The Vikings just didn’t overcome.
And let’s also keep in mind, there were missed calls all night on BOTH sides. I.e. Harvin’s TD that eventually got called back. The guy BLATANTLY stepped out of bounds by a foot and they missed it! Why aren’t the Vikings fans whining about that???
C’mon, stop relying on excuses. Take the loss like a man and suck it up!

So now that even the league officials have come out and stated that the officials spotted GB enough points to win the game, I suppose the officiating still isn’t a valid reason why the Vikes lost, right Packer fans. Face it homers, the refs have absolutely gift wrapped you 2 of 4 wins this season, when taking into account Woodson’s no call mugging against Detroit.
Like I’ve said before, the Vikes still had their chances to win, despite the refs. But 2 blown TD calls is tough for any team to overcome, especially on the road to a division rival.

Later in the quarter, Vikings tight end Visanthe Shiancoe made a diving catch in the end zone, after running back Adrian Peterson bought time for quarterback Brett Favre with a crushing block on a blitzing linebacker. Though the ball hit the ground, the ball never moved. The call on the field was correct.
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Ha, thank you Mike. I said exactly that in a previous post about the game. I’m happy someone saw it my way. We got screwed. possibly could have won with the extra 7 points.

3 picks including a pick 6,idiot coaching and sand lot reffing. And the Vikings still were in it to the last play.Sound familiar?(Saints) Just shows how much better we are than the competition…. Just have to deal with it.When you are the big dog on the block you never get a break…..

Hey NFL, how about full time officials already? Guys who know what they’re doing. That might, you know, let a fumble at the goal line play out and figure out who recovered it instead of just ending the play immediately? Dolphins are the ones that really got screwed this weekend.

well the same go’s for the Eagles then we would have had a Super Bowl 2 years ago and we too would be undefeated
The NFL picks who they want to win the Super Boar every year and it’s starting to get old so suck it up and deal with it

Alright, I’ll admit it. The league is out to screw the Vikings, and it’s been going on since before the Hail Mary. lmao
Seriously Mike, and by the way I know that you secretly love/hate the Vikings and will do anything to support/denigrate the team, you contradict yourself. You stated;
“On the second play of the second quarter, a touchdown pass from Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers to tight end Andrew Quarless should have been ruled an incompletion. Quarless bobbled the ball after he landed out of bounds. (In the field of play, it’s OK to bobble the ball when hitting the ground as long as the ball doesn’t touch the ground. When landing out of bounds, possession must be maintained without bobbling. And, yes, these rules are indeed simple and clear.)”
Since the play resulted in a touchdown, and there is no force out, he had to have been judged to land in bounds, and that’s the rule that applies.
As far as Chilly saying “on Monday that the league office has informed him the call had been blown.” I’ll wait till I hear it from the commisioner’s office, the Vikings head coach seems to be coming apart at the seams.

It is discusting that in so many games now its not the players who decide the games its the refs who get under the HOOD. Roethlisberger clearly fumbled BEFORE he reached the goal line and the Dolphins were the only players over the ball. The Steelers did not win that game.
It is interesting that I have NEVER heard of a questionable play go “against” the Steelers. The league ALWAYS makes darn sure the Steelers get in the playoffs for the big TV money.

Same crew blew the no-call of Rodgers’ facemask being grabbed on the last play vs. Arizona. They’re not very good, but they don’t seem to play favorites, unless it’s the home team maybe. Bad calls are part of the game. Great win by the Pack with so many of their preferred starters and better backups not playing. Vikings fans can cry themselves to sleep and wonder why it was even a close game considering how the Packers were held together by baling wire and true grit.

Absolutely inexcusable. The league needs to hire an additional video referee watching from above so these sort of things don’t happen again.
Every bad call affects the outcome of a game, every game affects the outcome of a season.
The league needs to better protect its best interests.

That was the worst one sided ref’d game I’ve seen since the Seattle Pittsburgh Super bowl. Those refs should be fired. It’s bad enough to blow an on the field call, but to blow a replay and overturn a TD? Inexcusable. Still, Childress should have at least thrown the flag on the Packer TD, that one falls on the Vikings. I’d also like some explain to me how Moss can barely put his hands on receiver and get called, yet the packers had their hands all over the Minnesota receivers and not one call? I don’t get it. Just like that incidental contact on a ball that was not even catchable giving the Packers a 1st down in the red zone. Someone had to have been paid off last night.

Uh, the ball was driven, via the ground, up in between his hands. Yes, he didn’t drop the ball, but the ball hit the ground (and subsequently moved in his hands) before he did. According to your simple rule above, that would mean that it’s not a catch.
Had the ball not moved in his hands, I would agree that it was a catch.

Arctic teams who have QBs who have 7 Tds 10 Ints and 1 of the lowest Qb ratings in the league and defenses with 1 of the lowest sack totals aren’t undefeated. Maybe it’s time you realized the Vikings are not this dominant team you think they are.

“The Vikings should have never been permitted to even think they had won the game.”
What is this midget football?? You can’t possibly be serious Florio. Basically what you are saying is that they made the right call, which is the exact opposite of the title of your post. And to Arctic Edge, really 5-0? How did the refs blow the Jets game? From watching that game the refs kept the Vikings in the game.

The Vikings always have to play against the opposing team and all the moron zebras as well. This has been going on for years. I know there are other teams that get screwed all the time too like the Raiders but this is ridiculous. Officials are determining the outcomes of far too many games. Maybe because this is NFL. Nation FIX League. Officials need to be fined thousands of dollars also for not being able to get calls correct that are reviewable and change the outcome of the game. There was no conclusive evidence to overturn Shancoe’s TD and the call should not have been changed. Yes, Childress should have challenge the Quarless TD.

As a Vikes fan, I’m getting sick of everyone trying to blame losses on Chilly, the refs, etc. Sure, the Vikes have been in every game they’ve lost, but saying that the refs are the difference between 2-4 and 5-0 is ridiculous.
The biggest reason the Vikes are losing this year: Brett Favre.

Roger Goodell should be completely embarassed that the officials called 4 TDs that were (or would have been) overturned by replay in a high profile prime time game.
If one bad TD call was made, that’s bad. Two is extreme. Four is just embarassing for the league.
Even worse is that the officials correctly made the call on Shiancoe’s catch, then reversed the correct call after reviewing it.
If players are being held accountable for dangerous hits, the officials must be held accountable for game-changing mistakes, such as these and the lack of detereming who recovered the fumble in the Dolphins-Steelers game. In that game, the officials just assumed Roethlisberger scored and didn’t bother seeing who had the football in the end zone.
Two bad calls alone in the Vikings-Packers game was an 8-point swing in favor of the Packers (the Pack should have had a FG instead of a TD, and the Vikings should have had a TD instead of a FG) in a 4-point game.

Lmao! Where’s all the viking trolls who always tell packets fans to not complain about refs bogus calls and stop whining. My how the tables turn! Besides there were plenty of other terrible calls, no calls just because they werent on tds doesn’t make them insignificant…(int in endzone walker touched ball first, shouldn’t have counted. That’s atleast 3 off the board. Multiple blatent holding on matthews who wouldve crushed favre multiple times, etc etc. hey here’s an idea, dont throw 3 second half picks including pick 6 and you might have a chance! Did the refs do that too?

Typical of most of the Viking fans on here, if the Packers are that bad, with 2nd and 3rd team guys in and the Viking were last years Super Bowl winners, game shouldn’t even been that close. I would look at the coaching first…

bahahaha…. get over it, the refs failed to call holding on the vikings all game, so… they were equally terrible for both teams. It’s time to get “pro” refs. young guys with good eyes and enough speed/stamina to keep up with the game. They should be treated as a full time job and paid accordingly, enough of these old guys who have much more serious day time jobs (i.e. lawyers)

They also missed the call where Frank Walker stepped out of bounds and then came back in to tip the ball and the Vikings intercepted it. That’s illegal touching and the int shouldn’t have counted. So it goes both ways.

It wasn’t a good night for the officials .. this is true, but the Packers got the shaft on a couple decisions as well.
1) 15 yard penalty against Collins for a hit out of bounds. Replay showed the player was not out of bounds when hit.
2) Vikes got away with several grabs of the jersey down the field on Greg Jennings. Throw wound up intercepted .. thwarting a potential scoring drive for Green Bay/
3) Quick whistle on a late 4th and 1 rush attempt by John Kuhn in which he kept fighting anf got the 1st down.
Cry all you want Viking fans, but your washed up QB kept throwing the ball to the other teams, and your coach wasn’t smart enough to take the ball out of his hands and run even more at a Packers defensive line that feature two 3rd stringers at DE.
WAAAAHHHHH !!!!!!

ArcticEdge says:
October 25, 2010 5:48 PM
Without ref the Vikings would have won the Super Bowl last year and be 5-0 this year.
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Sure. Nevermind all the Vikings turnovers both in last years NFCCG or this season.

Referee crews need to be help to a higher level of accountability. Like every other year, bad calls are costing teams wins.
Finding out the next day that you got hosed because a group of old men didn’t make the right call is no consolation.

Seriously? We should blame the refs. Have some pride Florio.
We could have challenged the Quarless TD and didnt.
Favre could have taken more sacks, but didnt. We could have given AP 10 more carries, but didnt.
Frank Walker could have impregnated Greg Jennings for how much time he spent on top of 85.
And, Shiancoe’s amazing control of the catch does not negate that it hit the ground and Calvin Johnson set that precedent earlier in the year.
You can blame the refs. But, real viking’s fans know it was Favre and Childress that lost the game for us.

Let’s not forgot that the reason Harvin couldn’t get two feet inbounds was because the DB pushed him before the ball arrived.
I know they got rid of the push-out rule, but I think pass interference is still a penalty.

“Vikings fans can choose to direct their anger at any one of five or six different culprits.”
Shouldn’t that be;
“As a Viking fan, I can choose to direct my anger at any one of five or six different culprits”?
How about the way teams have just decided to hold Clay Matthews on every play? Non calls on holding effects the outcome of a game the same as bad calls during touchdowns.

Now if we can get Childress to admit he was wrong on his game plan, lack of clock management and failure to adapt to the Packers’ weaknesses….wow, that would really be something.
Oh yeah, and throwing his QB under the bus.

I don’t understand how the Shiancoe catch is a touchdown…but then again I don’t understand a lot of the NFL rules that seem to let referee’s call whatever they want.
Green Bay has had 3 games decided by poor officiating that went against them. 18 flags in the Bears game, a first down handed to the Dolphins on a punt, and the Redskins player launching at Rodgers and hitting him helmet to helmet. So they too have awful luck with officials. Not everyone can be the Steelers.
Green Bay was forced to use their 2 challenges on awful calls that should have been ruled on the field. For some reason they did not challenge a third time in the 4th quarter on a 3rd down pass that was a 1st down and got stuffed on 4th. However, they will won. The big difference here is that Childress did not challenge the Quarless TD. The only people to blame for that is Childress and his men in the booth.

Typical for Vikings games. Vikes cant get the job done clearly and they are left to accuse the refs the next day.
Without turnovers the Vikings would have won the Super Bowl last year and be 5-0 this year.
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there, i fixed it.

The NFL has become a joke with the officiating. Every game has way to many questionable calls and a lot of them are crucial.
Chilli better be glad he doesnt play the Steelers, he would find out what it really means to get hosed.

How about…no PI on the INT Rodgers threw in the endzone…or the fact that Walker stepped out and was the first to touch the ball?? You can’t cry about the refs robbing you and then ignore another instance where points were potentially taken off the board…plus there were numerous other PI no calls on the vikes and no calls on holds on the vikes but nobody mentions that either…if you want to play this “WAHH THE REFS STOLE THE GAME FROM US” card look at both sides and then decide just how much you got screwed

Let the flood gates open for the whining viking fans! if not for the refs………you know the rest.
I mean hey, if not for the refs they would have won the super bowl last year, you know that right?
What a bunch of losers, only thing worse than vikings are viking fans………………biggest babies in the league. Enjoy your season, losers!

By reading the article carefully, it’s clear the headline should read, “Brad Childress claims League admits to two touchdown errors in Sunday night game” Not quite the same thing.
A humble request to Vikings fans: You have pounded your chests in the preseason claiming that the next Superbowl was somehow your right. You defended a front office and head coach who humiliated themselves by begging their retired QB to return. You have rationalized the awful play of a washed-up legend who is clearly not mentally or physically up to the task before him.
Please, PLEASE don’t make yourselves more ridiculous by claiming that your failures are caused by poor officiating. The Vikings had plenty of opportunities to win that game, to win every game this year, and let them slip away. Despite your lack of championships, your team does have a long and rich tradition and deserves better than whining about the refs conspiring against you.
What would Fran say?

Whaddya want? A cookie?
Minnesota, specifically Favre and the o-line, pissed that game away all by themselves …
Green Bay had a bunch of stiffs out there on defense and they harassed The Land Baron all evening. Hell, Packers only had 3 friggin’ d-linemen left by third quarter ….
If AP handled the ball 15 more times they win.
Mike Sherman shoulda warned Chilly what happens when you allow #4 to run the team. It gets you fired.
Who’s apologizing to Viking fan about THAT?

The only excuse we have is that Brett Favre sucks and needs to get out of Minnesota.
Even though: The Packers challenged, and referee Scott Green took away the touchdown, explaining that Shiancoe had “used the ground to help make the catch.”
Was the most BS excuse for not having a TD I have heard, that’s not what lost the game though… Brett Favre did. OUT WITH FAVRE!

Its pretty hard to overcome inept coaching, bad officiating, and less then stellar on-field preformances. As a Vikes fan, I could blame the refs. Whats the point though? It’s still a loss and the Vikes are still in 3rd place in the black and blew division. You can’t hand the ball over to the other squad so much and still expect a good outcome. I think at this point, TJack can step in and MAYBE play at a high level

Look at the bright side you will not win the North you will not win the NFC and you will not win the Super Bowl
Less stuff to pack when you move to LA
The Mayflower Trucks are comming to Minn
It will how ever cost big bucks to move the ego of your QB

# Old_Style says: October 25, 2010 5:58 PM
“Did they admit the blown calls for both teams or just the queens? Scott Green seems to miss a lot during Packers games.”
Wow, really? I’m not a Viking fan, but the Packer fans should feel blessed. They got a clear Shiancoe touchdown reversed in their favor and then won by 4 points. If that TD was called correctly, it would have been tied. Last thing Packer fans should be complaining about is that the refs jobbed them.

# Majik Bullet says: October 25, 2010 6:09 PM
So now that even the league officials have come out and stated that the officials spotted GB enough points to win the game, I suppose the officiating still isn’t a valid reason why the Vikes lost, right Packer fans. Face it homers, the refs have absolutely gift wrapped you 2 of 4 wins this season, when taking into account Woodson’s no call mugging against Detroit.
Like I’ve said before, the Vikes still had their chances to win, despite the refs. But 2 blown TD calls is tough for any team to overcome, especially on the road to a division rival.
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I can understand the frustration but no one was spotted anything.
If the GB TD got called back, who is to say they wouldn’t have scored on the next play?
There were plenty of non-calls against GB. NFL can’t/won’t rule on those. So you can “what if” all day.
I’d be pissed if the Packers were on the losing end…. but they won. Nothing will change that.

Just more proof that college does instant replay right. Every replay should be viewed by someone in a booth. This way the ref doesn’t have to go back on his call and the there isn’t a strategy on trying to make sure the ref was correct.

FYI:
There was another mistake the Refs missed.
On the Madieu Williams interception, Frank Walker had stepped out of bounds and was the first player to touch the ball when he tipped the pass.
Should not have counted as an INT.
I’m just sayin’.
Bad calls all around for both teams.

YaheRRdme says:
Actually there was another TD given to Harvin but overturned on replay, when it was shown he clearly touched out of bounds first on his dive.
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There were actually 5 other touchdowns that the Vikings had, but were overturned and not even televised as part of a vast conspiracy against the Vikings that has it’s origins in a Chinese weapons cartel and spans four continents.

the refs screwed us last year in the champoinship game, all year there flagging for just bumping into the qb exce3pt that game, how bout that high low hit. favre could hardly walk after that game. and then this game in lambuea , im starting to wonder in edwards is right

I’m just confused why the NFL apologised for a botched call. Oh right it’s only when the Colts, Pats or Steelers get regular blown calls in their favour that the league office does not apologise rather stands by their bad calls. Was the ref from Green Bay just like the a55 from Pittsburgh who blew the call in the Dolphins game. Um duh I dunno who recovered the ball duh hum, maybe one of the first 3 on it, or maybe the guy who handed you the ball? The ref in the end zone said Francis had the ball, why was he not asked if Gene Steratore could not see on the video what the rest of the world saw? Steelers get another controversial call, add it to the collection.

so does this mean that the officilals that officiate the game for not doing there jib can also get suspended and or fined as well for not doin there job? if the players must follow the rules shouldnt the refs follow as well? correct me if i am wrong

Yeah Favre threw 3 INT’s, Childress didn’t challenge the 2nd Packer TD but I knew all along Scott Green was wrong for overturning the Shiancoe TD. I am an official, albeit for High School Football, but I study rule books unlike Packer fans. Packer fans are the least knowledgeable fans in the NFL.

You know that sick feeling you Vikings fans are feeling? Slightly nauseous, slightly gutted when Favre throws an INT’s and your team loses? Now you know why some Packers fans were ready to move on after a years of Favres indecision and season ending mistakes.
&… themage78: I agree with the fact the Vikings should’ve made the Super Bowl last year. (Anyone else think the Saints were a 1-year wonder?) …
…are you sure you don’t mean the Vikings were a 1-year wonder?

Did anyone ever bother to explain why Clay Mathroids was allowed to take his helmet off in the middle of a play without being penalized?
Because, really, that should have been 15 yards and a fresh set of downs for Minnesota.
Oh, well. . .the only way the Packers can beat the Vikings is to cheat like hell. Not terribly surprising.

To ALL of you inbred Packer fans!!!!!!!!!!!!! These were scores that the officials F&cked up, not penalties!!!!!!!!! Why would 2 touchdowns make a difference in a 4 point game? Can you count past 5? I really hope this happens to Green Bay later when it counts and then we will see!! 3 picks one for a TD, 2 blown TD calls, and still 6 inches from a loss. If you think that is a winning team you are in for rude awakening! The game at the dome will be a blowout as well as the next 4-5 games on your schedule. I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horrible game for the officials.
That was clearly a catch. As ruled on the field and without clear evidence to the contrary. It never even shimmied as it hit the ground, even in slowmow high def. Crazy bad overturn of the correct call on the field.
Chilly should have challenged the TD, but really it wasnt close. How could the official have screwed it up, he not only boblled the ball he also only had one heal down when the shoulders hit out of bounds. It was not a touch down and visibly not a touch down from the nose bleeds.

I love the idiot Packer fans trying to compare a “maybe” missed holding calls to 2 blatant TD errors. Clearly not on the same level. And even pointing out missed holds, so what, there’s holding all the time that goes on. Allen got held terribly on that screen Chilly mentioned, no call. It happens, part of the game. But to make all those glaring errors in the end zone is inexcusable.
No, I don’t believe the refs were partaking in home cooking, as the Harvin TD was atrocious and rightfully overturned. The officiating was some of the worst ever, it just happened that the biggest mistakes, the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores.

Attention: Vikings trolls who complain about officiating! You’re right! It’s a league conspiracy against the Vikings aimed at accelerating their move to Los Angeles.
Once they become the Los Angeles Vikings, all officiating bias will stop.
You can “take that to the bank.”

It’s OK Green Bay, it took you 2 blown calls in your favor to beat us. That won’t happen every game. In no time, you’ll be back on your losing streak and subsequent slide into irrelevance. You can’t count on the black & white to make your wins for you. At some point, you’ll have to actually beat someone without Official Help, and it’ll be against somebody tougher than the Buffalo Bills.

UH OH!!!!! Everybody accidently forgot to mention the absolute intentional debacle during the STEALERS game. Ever notice, including Superbowl 40, that these calls never accidently go against the Stealers. It is becoming so painfully obvious. What about the 2 Pittsburgh resident referees as was noted on the postgame show? WHY would the NFL put 2 referees who are native to Pittsburgh in any game involving the Stealers when everybody has questioned on many occasions the bias officiating?

oh let them have this one…they’ve only been waiting for over a year for this moment….season long from over. The Vikes were not fasemasking Clay Mathews, they were covering his hideous Rocky Dennis face…your welcome Dick Embersol

While I think there’s something in the water up there in MN that makes all Vikes fans whimpering, whiny people, I have to agree with Chilly. It was a horribly officiated game. It kind of looked like all the officials had a late tequila lunch and then showed up on the field to officiate this game.
But the Vikings think this happens to them EVERY game unless they win it…and they haven’t won many.
They get it right after the challenges. My quarrel is the 2 challenge per half rule. That’s ridiculous when they get it wrong on the field so many times. If a coach challenges and wins he should NOT lose any challenges per that half. It’s stupid. Well…so is Childress.

“Did anyone ever bother to explain why Clay Mathroids was allowed to take his helmet off in the middle of a play without being penalized?”
Watch the play again. I did on my DVR. The tackle, once again, pushed on his facemask and it was not called. His helmet was half off so he finished the job to get into the play.
Dirty Mini-scrotum Queens…

Common sense has completely left officiating. Not only did bad calls affect the Vikes/Packer game, they handed the game to the Ravens and possibly the Steelers. Full time refs might not solve the problem, but it would help. The touchdown scoring rules need an overhaul. An automatic review of any touchdown would help too. It seems ludicrous that a game could be decided because the other team hustled to kick their extra point. It’s bad for the game when any fan walks away feeling like they got screwed by the refs, and that happened in three different games Sunday. And although I’m a Vikes fan, the bad calls went against both teams pretty evenly in terms of the number of them. But the bad calls against the Vikes affected the scoreboard. Not that the Vikings didn’t make more than their share of mistakes, both players and coaches. The defense played their worst half of the season, Chilly channeled Denny Green and walked off the field with a couple timeouts left, and Farve forced the ball. Where is the pass rush? (Also, I don’t think GB had a single holding call go against them, which is ridiculous.) At least they finally started running the ball better, and the running play design was much better.

Officials screwed up the Quarless TD, Chilly just iced the cake by doing nothing.
And no, Shiancoe did not catch that ball, the ground help bring the ball close and for him to gain possession.
And the calls were just as bad against the Packers, so cry cry cry

That “catch” had to be overturned and ruled no catch. You can’t set a precedent that it is OK to use the ground to help secure the football. The rule says grasp and control of the football. And if you are using the ground to help you either gain or maintain grasp and control prior to establishing possession it is by definition incomplete.

” …. but the Vikings never should have been permitted to even think that they had won the game.”
CHILD PLEASE!!
This excuse has to be at the bottom of the barrel. You get a free purple hat and a bowl of grape soup if you’re using this one …
*Just make up for it by going out next week and really creaming those guys from New England. (snicker snicker).

Vikings fans sound like sore losers. Kinda like a guy talking smack from his back after you’ve just knocked him down.
Sure, you’re a better team and if not for terrible officiating, you would have beat a limping Packers team playing with 3rd stringers right?
What happened to all the, “Good teams get past injuries/penalties?”
Kinda funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

I don’t understand all you Packer fans defending the calls in this game. READ THE ARTICLE. The NFL ADMITTED that they blew 2 TD calls that cost the Vikings at a Minimum 10 points. The Shiancoe TD was a catch. Read the rule. A ball can touch the ground as long as a player has his hands around the ball. See the Calvin Johnson rule ! Also, Yes Chilly should have challenged the Quarles TD but he shouldn’t have had to. The Ref was right on top of the play and blew it. Bottom line is the Packers got a gift on Sunday night and should have and would have lost regardless of Favre’s play. Adrian Peterson killed the Pack. Stop being homers and be football fans for a minute, take off the cheese colored glasses and you’d see that the Vikings were jobbed and it cost them a victory. The Refs make way to much money for this kind of emberassment to happen.

ArcticEdge, you are absolutely out of your mind. Viking fans generally are.
On top of that GB had the lousy officiating work against them too. The pic Rodgers threw in the end zone should have resulted in a D penalty. Jennings was interfered with and the D-back who was the first to touch the ball had been out of bounds. GB likely would have scored on that drive.
This was the same officiating crew that called the GB/AZ wildcard game last year. Make-up game? Maybe but we’ll take it.
No one whines quite like Viking fans…except maybe the Vikes themselves appaerntly.

Majik Bullet says:
October 25, 2010 6:09 PM
So now that even the league officials have come out and stated that the officials spotted GB enough points to win the game, I suppose the officiating still isn’t a valid reason why the Vikes lost, right Packer fans. Face it homers, the refs have absolutely gift wrapped you 2 of 4 wins this season, when taking into account Woodson’s no call mugging against Detroit.
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Speaking of mugging, how’s Frank Walker doing today?

There is plenty more significant about Ref Green’s mistake on the Shiancoe tounchdown nullification than just the 4 pts off the board. The GB coach challenged the play, thus having already challenged an earlier play (correctly, but wasteful over a resulting first and goal from the one) he would have been without a challenge for the game’s remainder, prior to halftime.

Clay Matthews Facemasked all game ? Lol. Not hardly. How about Chad Clifton holding Jared Allen by his shoulder pads and jersey the whole game ? Wacth the replays. Packers fans have zero class anyway, booing favre off the field last night. The only reason Green Bay has even been relavent the last 17 years is BECAUSE of Brett Favre. Beside, who wears a huge chunk of Foam cheese on their head? Lame. Worst homer fans in all of football.

The referees also missed an illegal touching on Rodgers’ interception toward the end of the 1st half. Frank Walker ran out of bounds and was the 1st player to touch the ball.
With the game inside of 2 minutes, the booth blew that call by not stopping at least for a review.

Majik Bullet says:
October 25, 2010 6:55 PM
The officiating was some of the worst ever, it just happened that the biggest mistakes, the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores.
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14 points? You’re going to have to explain that to us. I get that Shiancoe’s play netted 3 points instead of 7.. So there’s 4.
And I get that Quarless’ play (which I’m not entirely sure SHOULD’VE been overturned had it been challenged) netted 7 instead of 3. So there’s 4 more–a total of 8.
Have you been using that “new math”? Where’s the other 6 points, majik?
Also, explain to me how you think those two calls decided the outcome of the game, yet these calls had no impact?
– Bogus 15 yard call on Collins on his Harvin hit.
– Missed PI on Rodgers’ second INT.
– Missed roughing call on Cheapshot Allen on Rodgers’ second INT.
– Two terrible spots on third down that eventually resulted in a turnover on downs.
So you want the correct calls to be made, but only the ones that benefit “your team”? Terrible calls were made all night last night, and they impacted both teams.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Favre, Rodgers, Chilly, the Vikings, McCarthy or the Packers. And has everything to do with the officials not being able to do their job correctly and then just being able to say “oops, sorry we messed up, we’ll get it right next time!”. When situations like this happen to other teams in the NFL their fans and team get just as upset (and should for that matter, it’s kinda a big deal).

The BJ missed two crucial calls and one was reversed on review. He should be fired. Harvin wasn’t even close to getting in bounds and it was obvious that the GB player dropped his TD reception. Two easy calls. If you can’t get them correct, you should not be on the field.
KC got hosed on a couple of PI calls this weekend.

two things: first, this is the time that the NFL finally needs to step up and take the joke away from NFL referees. seriously, how can a 65 year old, out of shape guy that referees part time be acceptable? this is one of the most important jobs in a business that is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. these guys should be as dedicated and as solidly trained as the rest of its employees. we want full time, trained and in shape officials that can keep up with the play and be there to make the right calls.
second…and a lot of people aren’t gonna like this…i DO think that EVERY TD should be reviewed. what is the harm? it takes a couple of minutes, and as the cases keep piling up, this seems more and more reasonable. then you don’t have coaches complaining that the refs dragged their feet on one TD allowing a coach to get the challenge in, while hurrying on another so that a team can snap off a PAT before a review can get in. even i noticed how fast the Pack got that PAT off after the quaraless TD and how slowly they moved after the Percy TD was called…not okay. in standard game play i’m fine with a team hurrying to get a play off, but after a TD it should be a different story. TD’s are IMPORTANT, they SHOULD make sure that a TD is legit!

Packers have no class for booing:
1.A viking
2.A QB that brought only 1 SB in 17 years, which was more due to Reggie White and the defense
3.A class act who tells the Lions the Packers offensive tendencies
4.A dude who has the balls to say he felt a place of acceptence at minnesota….really?! Really?! Viking fans will forget him next year, and hate him like they have for 17 years

As a Packers fan, I thought the refs were just horrible last night. The NFL needs to toss out the rules on what is considered a catch and rewrite them. I don’t see how Schiancoe didn’t make the catch. If it looks like a catch, walks like a catch and talks like a catch – it’s a catch. I know there will be a game the Packers lose because of inept officiating, but I’m cheesed with the refs because it has dampened a day I have waited for a year and a half – the Packers beating Farve.

and the excuses are rolling now!!! yes there was some bad calls 4″ for both sides! there are bad calls every week last week francios lined up over center on punt… it happens quit crying and take your loss by our practice squad like men! (men with blonde wigs but i guess your men???right???)lol

“Did anyone ever bother to explain why Clay Mathroids was allowed to take his helmet off in the middle of a play without being penalized?”
Watch the play again. I did on my DVR. The tackle, once again, pushed on his facemask and it was not called. His helmet was half off so he finished the job to get into the play.
He finished the job- alibi
That was a penalty not called

Florio, if you are going to continue to play favorites, at least use facts. The VS touchdown was not a TD by rule. The ball moved in his hands.
Was it a TD? Sure, but not by rule.
If you want to play the rule game with the Quarless TD, you have to play it for both. And, yes, these rules are indeed simple and clear.
I can’t believe the lack of Lord Favre comments. That was pretty much a staple here. A good journalist (if regurgitating other journalists stories makes you a journalist), hides what his favorite team is.

This is a conspiracy. The refs are continually blowing games for the Vikings and there is a good reason for it.
What’s going on is that the NFL wants a team in LA. They want the Vikings because they are a Super Bowl contender, and the marketing possibilities in LA and the revenues would be HUGE! The NBA has made billions from having the Lakers in LA and the NFL wants to do the same. It’s a copy cat world.
In order for the Vikings to move they need to lose and they are obviously way too good to lose so the NFL is telling refs to make certain calls. By losing the NFL believes attendance will drop and Ziggy will look to move the team.
There’s more! The Vikings are in a contract issue with the Metradome and the NFL is getting in the way of that too trying to make negotiations more difficult. The Vikings are also trying for a new stadium and the NFL is getting in the way of that too. A lot of MN polics is about the new stadium and the NFL is throwing propaganda out there to defer MN tax payers away from voting for the politicians that will bring in a new stadium.
This conspiracy goes pretty deep and a lot of people will be in prison soon enough. I’m surprised no major news source has gone with this yet. Maybe it’s because the NFL is paying them off too?

@ acs3
it’s 14 points, because there were TWO (2) TD calls that were wrong. I’m not sure what game (or math for that matter) you were using in your example, but teams are given 6 points per TD and typically attempt an extra point afterwards. (7 + 7 = 14) That’s why it’s called a 14 point swing, dumbass.

Harvin stepped out of bounds prior to his diving into the end zone. The official was running right next to him. They are trained to look at the feet first then the hands. Harvins foot was at least a foot out of bounds. How did he miss this and call a TD? He was looking at Harvin’s upper body, not his feet. Simple fundamentals not being performed. The entire group of officials need to be retrained because there are just too many bad calls.

When a ref has to apologize to a head coach at the end of a game, and the league calls and apoligizes the next day, I’d say its more than the fans overreacting.
There were bad calls on both sides, but 2 were a swing of 14 points.
To add on, why wasnt The Claymaker flagged for ripping off his helmet twice DURING plays on the field?
Also, how can you call defensive holding when a ball is 15 yards out of bounds and uncatchable?
Hmmmmm.
My guess the calls get returned come November 21st.

For EVERYTHING Favre did for the Packers, and putting them back on the map of relevance, I cannot believe Packers fans booed him off the field last night.
Favre was your team, your franchise, your city and your state! He was the ONLY reason why you were any good in the 90’s and 00’s. THE ONLY REASON! No one remembers who any of the other guys were because they didn’t matter. A bunch of no names and Brett Favre. And that’s how you fans pay him back! How pathetic.

They made a lot of poor calls last night. The interception in the inside was first touched by a player who was all the way out of bounds and the first guy to touch the ball. After that, he roughed up Jennings for 5 yards.
The fourth down where it was clear that no whistle had been blown and the runner was not down yet they were called short.
I mean, there were a million blown calls. This was the same crew that blew all the calls in the Pack / Cards game.
Big deal, I can honestly say this is the first game all year where the calls went slightly in the Packers’ favor. What ya gonna do? Maybe not throw three INTs — one for a score — and give your WR a chance to catch the ball on one of the two last plays? That’s a start.
Bitching about officiating from a coach (fans is ok, I guess) is just an illustration that the sky is falling and you’re trying to keep your job. Watching Childress “coach” is the only reason I feel slightly better about having McCarthy as coach of the Packers — at least we aren’t the *worst* ran team in the division.

Green Bay borrowed the officials working for the Steelers to guarantee a win. Teams win and teams lose. Only in the Vikings case, the Vikings are putting all their money on Farve. Farve’s mileage is starting to catch up with him. What has he started, 261 games?
I believe that Brett Farve will not finish the season because of collective injuries.
GO STEELERS!

Tough for Chilly to throw the red flag if the replay isn’t shown until right before the kick. His guys in the booth would have had to watch the tv play and they did not show the replay until the kick. Remember, home field does have some advantage when it comes to what replays are shown in the stadium and when they are shown.
I also don’t know of any rule that states a defensive player can’t run out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball. A receiver cannot unless he is forced out first, but I haven’t ever heard that rule applied to a defensive player (Walker on the int)

Mike Perrera, remember him, former vp of officiating, says Greene got Schiancoe’s(sp) non-touchdown right. Hit the ground as he was making a catch, he trapped the ball. Can’t believe what the announcer say. They said Jenkins had to play more snaps cuz Pickett was out. Jenkins never played a down. Yep, that’s why they get paid the big bucks.

Yeah, sucks when it’s your team that’s on the receiving end of bad calls………the Packers have been there enough, so forgive us if we don’t rend our garments and rub ashes in our hair over the Vikings’ bad luck……..

And so the Vikings offense, after celebrating the “oh my heavens!”-style win, had to process the fact that their jubilation was moot.
Yes, Green got it right when he went under the hood, but the Vikings never should have been permitted to even think that they had won the game. So the only proper course of action was to give them the touchdown anway because it wouldn’t be “fairseys” to make them so happy and then take it all away. According to Pop Warner rules, allowing a defensive end to whine “coulda, woulda, shoulda” or let a quarterback leave the field of play “devastated” could unduly harm their egos and cause them emotional trauma.

HA HA HA HA HA! The Queens were lucky that Quarless dropped that gimmick 4 th down pass from Flynn. The Packers played without Grant , Finley , Barnett, Pickett,Al Harris, Bigby and Neal. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? If they played in the game it would have been a blowout. Quit blaming the refs Queens fans and tell your team to go outdoors to play football like men. If you think the refs were bad last night wait until you play in New England on HALOWEEN ! Remember the “TUCK” game . BOO !

I’m no Brad Childress apologist, but not challenging the Quarless TD isn’t on him.
First of all, the DBs on the spot should have been yelling and pointing that the ball was loose. They didn’t notice.
And secondly there are coaches in the booth with a much better view whose job it is to communicate to Childress that it should be reviewed.
The head coach is on the sideline 60 yards away surrounded by a mass of larger players, and focusing his attention on a variety of different things. He can’t tell if the call is bad unless others let him know it. My guess is Childress was on the headset asking his assistants in the booth if they saw anything.

Just proves what everybody knows, that the Vikes are the better team and the Pack needed the Refs to win the game. Even with Favre’s INTs, the Vikes still should have won it easily. Payback is coming in a few weeks in Minn.

“This conspiracy goes pretty deep and a lot of people will be in prison soon enough. I’m surprised no major news source has gone with this yet. Maybe it’s because the NFL is paying them off too?”
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That is the funniest sh’t I have seen in forever… since… since… the UFO landing, JFK conspiracy and of course, Elvis actually being alive and being the gay lover of Kirk Coc… Cobain.
Maybe we aren’t really here and live in a matrix somewhere and people are actually pulling our puppet strings and actually MADE the refs make those bad calls… just to incite unrest into you, even though someone else is actually really controlling you.
Oh hell… maybe you are right?!? All that tells me is that the league even hates your team and can’t wait for you to move to LA.
Either way. You still lost.

Quit bitching about Matthews’ helmet, if ur bitchass lineman could block him without manhandling his facemask it would not have been a problem. And do not even bring up Jared Allen getting held…..nobody needs to hold his sorry self this year.
Furthermore, if Jared Allen was able to actually rush the QB, he does not get that pick. He only was there for the pick because he was getting bitch slapped by Clifton….

mattgso says: “I can understand the frustration but no one was spotted anything. If the GB TD got called back, who is to say they wouldn’t have scored on the next play?”
Anyone who knows anything about football would say it!
The next play was 4th down. Mike McCarthy would have to be dumber than he looks to go for it on 4th down and risk coming up with no points in two possessions in the red zone (Aaron Rogers was intercepted the first time).

“Beside, who wears a huge chunk of Foam cheese on their head? Lame. Worst homer fans in all of football.”
I would rather wear cheese on my head then girl braids.
and oh by the way Viking ‘fans’, you people are quite possibly THE biggest babies I have ever seen and not to mention hyprocritical. Just last week you jackasses were criticizing Packer fans for whining about the refs but the very next week when the Packers whooped the Vikings’ ass, you Viking losers start crying and the entire site became a daycare center full of 3-4 year olds crying.
It’s really no surprise that everyone hates Viking ‘fans’ mainly due to the fact that they can’t take losses like men. They bawl their eyes out about how the refs were against them blah blah blah. You did it last year when you lost to the Saints and now you are doing it again.
With that said, Viking fans….please shut the hell up and get back to your boring lives under the rock.

I’m starting to think Arctic Edge is a Packer fan incognito, trying to make Vikings fans look bad. He is simply too retarded to be real. If he is real…well…I’m not saying he should throw his radio in the tub with him. I’m just saying, if I was that stupid, I know what I would do.

“He was the ONLY reason why you were any good in the 90’s and 00’s. THE ONLY REASON! No one remembers who any of the other guys were because they didn’t matter. A bunch of no names and Brett Favre. And that’s how you fans pay him back! How pathetic.”
Haha your funny. Favre wasn’t the reason the Packers were good. The man that was the reason for why the Packers were good in the ’90s and for the Super Bowl win goes by the name of RON WOLF. Of course a clueless Viking fan like yourself assumes it was Favre when it actually wasn’t.
and the Packers had no names other than Favre? How about Antonio Freeman? Reggie White, Leroy Butler?

ArcticEdge says: October 25, 2010 8:20 PM
For EVERYTHING Favre did for the Packers, and putting them back on the map of relevance, I cannot believe Packers fans booed him off the field last night.
Favre was your team, your franchise, your city and your state! He was the ONLY reason why you were any good in the 90’s and 00’s. THE ONLY REASON! No one remembers who any of the other guys were because they didn’t matter. A bunch of no names and Brett Favre. And that’s how you fans pay him back! How pathetic.

ArcticEdge says:
October 25, 2010 8:20 PM
Favre was your team, your franchise, your city and your state! He was the ONLY reason why you were any good in the 90’s and 00’s. THE ONLY REASON! No one remembers who any of the other guys were because they didn’t matter. A bunch of no names and Brett Favre. And that’s how you fans pay him back! How pathetic.
Arctic,
I guess you forgot about Reggie White, Antonio Freeman, Keith Jackson, etc. Guess winning in the 90s is better than whoever played for you in the 90s. Favre was part of the team, not THE TEAM. A bunch of stars does not make a team, teamwork and everybody doing their job does.

Randomjim says:
October 25, 2010 7:57 PM
“Did anyone ever bother to explain why Clay Mathroids was allowed to take his helmet off in the middle of a play without being penalized?”
Watch the play again. I did on my DVR. The tackle, once again, pushed on his facemask and it was not called. His helmet was half off so he finished the job to get into the play.
He finished the job- alibi
That was a penalty not called
He had illegal hands to the face Jim… THAT penalty was not called

There were a number of bad calls, especially those involving players stepping in or out of bounds and where they decided to spot the ball.
That being said, the refs didn’t cause BrINT to throw a number of terrible passes – including one for a pick 6. The refs also didn’t cause Chilly to start dialing up pass plays nonstop instead of running the ball in later in the game.

I can’t believe anyone mentioned a penalty for CMIII taking off his helmet. He took it off because the OL had jammed his hands into the facemask, and driven his chinstrap up over his face. Note: The play was still happening, and he continued to play.
Do you really think he should have gotten a celebration penalty?
It is comments like that, that make me think some fans are totally unable to look at things rationally.

Are all Vikings fans paranoid losers? I mean, all I hear is about how the NFL gave the game to the Saints last year, then gave the game to GB last night, blah, blah, blah. Conspiracy theories, RIIIIIGGHHTT!
Makes the rest of the NFL fans (who accept defeat like men) think of the old, “Men At Work” song:
Is it the man come to take me away?
Why do they follow me?
It’s not the future that I can see,
It’s just my fantasy
Oh…Who can it be now?
Oh…Who can it be now?

Majik Bullet says:
October 25, 2010 6:55 PM
I love the idiot Packer fans trying to compare a “maybe” missed holding calls to 2 blatant TD errors. Clearly not on the same level. And even pointing out missed holds, so what, there’s holding all the time that goes on. Allen got held terribly on that screen Chilly mentioned, no call. It happens, part of the game. But to make all those glaring errors in the end zone is inexcusable.
No, I don’t believe the refs were partaking in home cooking, as the Harvin TD was atrocious and rightfully overturned. The officiating was some of the worst ever, it just happened that the biggest mistakes, the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores.
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We will all let you keep thinking that. I will continue to think that the Packers are 4-3, in 2nd place with tough games against the Jets & Cowboys coming up.
I will also continue to think that the Vikings are 2-4, with a battered, turnover prone 41-year old QB who has definitely seen better days with question marks surrounding his health and pervertedness, an inept coach who has no clue what is going on both during and after the game, a franchise that has indeed become EVERYONE else’s joke, and a fanbase that hops on and off when it’s only convenient to bitch and moan when it’s not swung in their favor.
Your boy sucked, the queens lost, enjoy your night. I’ll definitely be enjoying mine.

PurpleRaid12 says:
October 25, 2010 8:08 PM
@ acs3
it’s 14 points, because there were TWO (2) TD calls that were wrong. I’m not sure what game (or math for that matter) you were using in your example, but teams are given 6 points per TD and typically attempt an extra point afterwards. (7 + 7 = 14) That’s why it’s called a 14 point swing, dumbass.
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Wow. It was just spelled out for you by the person you are calling a dumbass, dumbass.
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Franchise says:
October 25, 2010 8:18 PM
When a ref has to apologize to a head coach at the end of a game, and the league calls and apoligizes the next day, I’d say its more than the fans overreacting.
There were bad calls on both sides, but 2 were a swing of 14 points.
To add on, why wasnt The Claymaker flagged for ripping off his helmet twice DURING plays on the field?
Also, how can you call defensive holding when a ball is 15 yards out of bounds and uncatchable?
Hmmmmm.
My guess the calls get returned come November 21st.
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Defensive holding is the proper call BEFORE the ball is thrown. So, by reason, it doesn’t matter where the ball is thrown or if it is uncatchable. Penalties for defensive holding are called all the time on the opposite side of the field of where the ball ends up. Learn to understand the rules of the game dork.

just a thought says:
October 25, 2010 8:28 PM
Tough for Chilly to throw the red flag if the replay isn’t shown until right before the kick. His guys in the booth would have had to watch the tv play and they did not show the replay until the kick. Remember, home field does have some advantage when it comes to what replays are shown in the stadium and when they are shown.
I also don’t know of any rule that states a defensive player can’t run out of bounds and be the first to touch the ball. A receiver cannot unless he is forced out first, but I haven’t ever heard that rule applied to a defensive player (Walker on the int)
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Illegal touching. Look it up.

# acs3 says: October 25, 2010 7:32 PM
14 points? You’re going to have to explain that to us. I get that Shiancoe’s play netted 3 points instead of 7.. So there’s 4.
And I get that Quarless’ play (which I’m not entirely sure SHOULD’VE been overturned had it been challenged) netted 7 instead of 3. So there’s 4 more–a total of 8.
Have you been using that “new math”? Where’s the other 6 points, majik?
Also, explain to me how you think those two calls decided the outcome of the game, yet these calls had no impact?
– Bogus 15 yard call on Collins on his Harvin hit.
– Missed PI on Rodgers’ second INT.
– Missed roughing call on Cheapshot Allen on Rodgers’ second INT.
– Two terrible spots on third down that eventually resulted in a turnover on downs.
So you want the correct calls to be made, but only the ones that benefit “your team”? Terrible calls were made all night last night, and they impacted both teams.
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New name, same white trash moron. The 14 pts comes from 2 TDs being called incorrectly. You see, a TD, or touchdown, is worth 6, plus 1 for the extra point. And if 2 of them are added together, it comes out to, wait for it, 14.
I didn’t say it was a 14 point swing, that’s just the idiotic assumption you jump to because you have some weird obsession with trying to prove me wrong, which you can’t do, because I’m much smarter than you. I just said that it was 14 pts.
As for your expert opinion “missed calls,” how many of those did league officials come out and apologize for? Oh, right, none. And the same could be said of the random missed holding calls on GB. Allen was held multiple times, the swing pass for a big gain is one memorable one. Also, Jennings held a guy and pushed him 20 yards down field on Jackson’s big gain. Those kinds of things happen. But TD blunders are inexcusable, not that you’re smart enough to know the difference. I mean, you actually think the Quarless catch “may” have been good. That alone is a solid indicator of your ignorance of the rules, the rest of your stupidity just hammers it home.

As I’ve said before, the officiating this year is the worst it’s been in years. I think we all expect some errors during the game and during the course of play, however, we all EXPECT the ones that are in the endzone and directly effect the scoreboard to be called correctly. There were three blown calls in this regard this weekend, one in Miami and two in Green Bay. It’s unfortunate that the two in Green Bay BOTH went against the Vikings causing a 7 seven point swing, in a game they lost by 4.

Artic, if Favre was the sole reason for making GB relevant in the 90’s like you state, having an up and down 16 year career here, what does that say about your pitiful franchise that you needed him soooooooooo badly at age 39? Where was the state of your franchise before his arrival? Nowhere, and still is.

@ArticEdge
Love the conspiracy theory you typed out. Question for you, did the US commit 9/11 too? You seem to have a nose for these things.
The reason why CM3 never got an unsportsmanlike call against him was do to the fact that the right tackle was holding his face mask all night and ripped it off. Even Chilly has been quoted say that it was happening in another article on this site.
Here’s one of those no names that you might remember, Reggie White.
You should stop right now, even Viking fans are laughing at you, as I’m passing my net book around the sports bar here.

Watched the replay on the Shiancoe review several times. When he caught the ball in the air he caught between his palms, not touching his fingers, with both hands sideways facing across the short direction of the ball. When he hits the ground the moves as his hands come to his chest because he rolls over now the ball is touching only one hand and now that hand is lengthwise on the ball. So the ball definitely moved in his hands! So its not a catch. Sorry, if the ball never touched the ground that movement would be ok. But it did.

OK, I’ll give you White. He’s a HOFer and deserves some credit. Some of those other guys were OK, but they weren’t the difference maker like 3 time MVP Favre. Plus he made some of those receivers and tight ends better than what they really were. Freeman? Come on.

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!
You CANNOT do what the NFL is doing! the number one rule in sports, you cant do over! Now, if you can’t do over, what does that do to the season as a whole? They make the right call first, then replay it and make the wrong call, over turning the right call, and then the next day say the second call overturning the first right call was wrong!!! WHAT IS THIS A COMEDY SKETCH?!
Or…did someone, the ref, not check his email from the commish’ the night before telling him what calls to make and for what team? Looks like we have a failure to communicate!

# Bob Loblaw says: October 25, 2010 8:56 PM
mattgso says: “I can understand the frustration but no one was spotted anything. If the GB TD got called back, who is to say they wouldn’t have scored on the next play?”
Anyone who knows anything about football would say it!
The next play was 4th down. Mike McCarthy would have to be dumber than he looks to go for it on 4th down and risk coming up with no points in two possessions in the red zone (Aaron Rogers was intercepted the first time).
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But you can’t say for sure. Maybe there would have been an off-sides call. Maybe another fake punt. Maybe a ……..
Can’t claim victory, no matter how much you want to. Memory of this article will. The “W” for the Packers will still be there.

itsallaboutPADLEVELS says:
October 25, 2010 10:28 PM
PurpleRaid12 says:
October 25, 2010 8:08 PM
@ acs3
it’s 14 points, because there were TWO (2) TD calls that were wrong. I’m not sure what game (or math for that matter) you were using in your example, but teams are given 6 points per TD and typically attempt an extra point afterwards. (7 + 7 = 14) That’s why it’s called a 14 point swing, dumbass.
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Wow. It was just spelled out for you by the person you are calling a dumbass, dumbass.
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Dude, I’m neither a Vikings nor a Packers fan, but this guy’s point is sailing over your head. Let’s break it down simply.
You are right, a touchdown plus an extra point is worth 7 points. Two touchdowns equal 14 points.
I know you’re along so far.
Now, each time the Vikings had a TD taken away by officiating (supposedly), they didn’t end up with ZERO points, but both times they kicked a field goal. Field goals, as I’m sure you know, are worth 3 points each. Two are worth? That’s right! 6 points!
Stay with me, because this is the hard part…
I see you’ve watched football, so you must know that on any given posession you can EITHER score a touchdown or a field goal– not both. MN settled for field goals because the touchdowns didn’t happen. But had they made the touchdowns– worth 14 points total– they would not have had the chance to kick the field goals– worth 6 points total.
So you can have one or the other– 14 points or 6 points (or 0 points or 10 points if you use different combinations, but that’s a higher level lesson, not for today). The important part is that if you get a FG, you don’t get a TD, and if you get a TD, you don’t get a FG.
So you see that your “14 point swing” is actually an 8 point swing… let’s build our model number:
14 (touchdown points missed)
– 6 (field goal points made)

The NFL doesn’t need to get even for the Williams’s. They just told MN that theyu were going to really test them this year for roids and look what it’s done to their defensive line!
What do they have 3.5 sacks amongst them now? Jared Allen looks like Tony Mandarich circa 1995….puffy, flabby and done.

I have no dog in the fight, neither a Packer nor a Vikes fan, that said, I think there was one blown call and that was the bobbled ball for the touchdown. The error here is Childress coaching staff in the box failed him in not providing enough emphasis to challenge the call. Or, he ignored his staff. Either way it was a bad miss by the official and the coach or coaches failed to permit the rules to overcome the bad call. The other two bad calls were “fixed” by the replay rule, just as it is supposed to. In the second case, it is difficult to believe the official could not see, as he was standing in a perfect spot to see everything, that the WR had only one foot down before going out of the endzone. In the replay, if you look at the officials eyes, he was completely focused on the WR’s hands to see if he controlled the ball. Maybe they knew they blew the previous call, on the bobbled touchdown, and was focusing to ensure it didn’t happen again. I think it happened too fast, he could either watch the hand control or the foot placement, not both, even though he was well positioned. Officials blow calls, it happens. Get over it.

We are taking Brad Childress’s word that the NFL admitted guilt? Wow you guys are pathetic….you lost to the Packers with a lot of their practice squad players, you are 2-4…….way to be objective mudhens!

ArcticEdge says: October 25, 2010 8:20 PM
For EVERYTHING Favre did for the Packers, and putting them back on the map of relevance, I cannot believe Packers fans booed him off the field last night.
Favre was your team, your franchise, your city and your state! He was the ONLY reason why you were any good in the 90’s and 00’s. THE ONLY REASON! No one remembers who any of the other guys were because they didn’t matter. A bunch of no names and Brett Favre. And that’s how you fans pay him back! How pathetic.
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Dude, he’s a Viking. Packer fans boo Vikings. Get it? If that breaks your fragile innocent little heart, then maybe it’s time to change your tampon. This is how sports work. It’s not pathetic, it’s called being a fan.
Incidentally, the ’90s Packers also had Reggie White, Desmond Howard, Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Leroy Butler, Keith Jackson, etc., etc.
Don’t worry, Packer fans will cheer Favre again – when his name goes into the Lambeau Ring of Honor, and when he is inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a Packer. For now, he’s a member of the Viqueens – so, he gets booed. I’m sure he can take it.

Altschul says:
October 26, 2010 8:34 AM
itsallaboutPADLEV ELS says:
October 25, 2010 10:28 PM
PurpleRaid12 says:
October 25, 2010 8:08 PM
@ acs3
it’s 14 points, because there were TWO (2) TD calls that were wrong. I’m not sure what game (or math for that matter) you were using in your example, but teams are given 6 points per TD and typically attempt an extra point afterwards. (7 + 7 = 14) That’s why it’s called a 14 point swing, dumbass.
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Wow. It was just spelled out for you by the person you are calling a dumbass, dumbass.
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Dude, I’m neither a Vikings nor a Packers fan, but this guy’s point is sailing over your head. Let’s break it down simply.
You are right, a touchdown plus an extra point is worth 7 points. Two touchdowns equal 14 points.
I know you’re along so far.
Now, each time the Vikings had a TD taken away by officiating (supposedly), they didn’t end up with ZERO points, but both times they kicked a field goal. Field goals, as I’m sure you know, are worth 3 points each. Two are worth? That’s right! 6 points!
Stay with me, because this is the hard part…
I see you’ve watched football, so you must know that on any given posession you can EITHER score a touchdown or a field goal– not both. MN settled for field goals because the touchdowns didn’t happen. But had they made the touchdowns– worth 14 points total– they would not have had the chance to kick the field goals– worth 6 points total.
So you can have one or the other– 14 points or 6 points (or 0 points or 10 points if you use different combinations, but that’s a higher level lesson, not for today). The important part is that if you get a FG, you don’t get a TD, and if you get a TD, you don’t get a FG.
So you see that your “14 point swing” is actually an 8 point swing… let’s build our model number:
14 (touchdown points missed)
– 6 (field goal points made)

How about on that last vikings series when Matthews ripped off his own helmet during the play. Completely obvious penalty that the announcers didn’t even mention on the replay and just commented on Matthews hair….

Let’s see there was illegal touching on Rodgers second INT, Mathews and Raji getting held all night, and a BS Personal foul called on Collins as well.
The Packers may be 6-1 right now if not for BS calls late in the games against Chicago, and Miami. Cry me a river Vikes fans. It happens to everyone, but you always whine the loudest don’t ya?

We would not be having a discussion on this if the league explaned in detail just what a catch is and isn’t. Either Shianco caught the ball or he didn’t. Yes he did not drop it but yes it looked like he used the ground to secure it?
If the rule states the ball must be in possession before it hits the ground and or the receiver cannot use the ground to secure the ball then its not a catch, great call ref.
If not, then all balls are legal period and it was a catch. What is it?

Supersuckers says:
Majik says he is smarter then a guy and the guy that originally wrote the 14 point “swing” post called shitterson a dumbass when they both cannot even figure this out? Wow. Majik and Purple raid = below average intelligence.
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OK, let me spell it out for you. I never said 14 point swing, I said 14 points. As in, the officials put 7 points on the board that shouldn’t have been, and took 7 off that should have been on there, thus totaling 14. There is a difference, and if you can’t figure this out, then saying you have below average intelligence would be an insult to people with below average intelligence.
And granted, yes, the Vikes kicked a FG when they got hosed on the Shank TD. But who’s to say Crosby converts on his attempt if the Quarless gift was properly called? But honestly, the entire point of this argument is moot. Whether it be 8, 11, or 14, the fact of the matter is that any way you spin it, it would have been enough points to give the better team the win. Luckily for you, poor officiating bailed your team out of another game they had no business winning.

# badfish69 says: October 26, 2010 10:29 AM
Let’s see there was illegal touching on Rodgers second INT, Mathews and Raji getting held all night, and a BS Personal foul called on Collins as well.
The Packers may be 6-1 right now if not for BS calls late in the games against Chicago, and Miami. Cry me a river Vikes fans. It happens to everyone, but you always whine the loudest don’t ya?
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Seriously? The Packers could, and should, very easily be 2-5, but for the referee assistance against Detroit and Minnesota. 6-1, what a homer.

Yerger22 says:
October 25, 2010 6:32 PM
I don’t understand how the Shiancoe catch is a touchdown…but then again I don’t understand a lot of the NFL rules that seem to let referee’s call whatever they want.
Green Bay has had 3 games decided by poor officiating that went against them. 18 flags in the Bears game, a first down handed to the Dolphins on a punt, and the Redskins player launching at Rodgers and hitting him helmet to helmet. So they too have awful luck with officials. Not everyone can be the Steelers.
Green Bay was forced to use their 2 challenges on awful calls that should have been ruled on the field. For some reason they did not challenge a third time in the 4th quarter on a 3rd down pass that was a 1st down and got stuffed on 4th. However, they will won. The big difference here is that Childress did not challenge the Quarless TD. The only people to blame for that is Childress and his men in the booth.
Not to bring up the way the playoff game ended last year. Rodgers slapped in the head on the play before the fumble.

Remember the story about the tortoise and the hare?
This is a game folks, nothing more. Monday morning” quarterbacking” has becoming “flame the ref’s”.
Watch the games from the ref’s perspective. Ref’s are not privileged to what the next play will be so how can they be expected to be in position to call a questionable catch or fumble.
The size of football players has grown while the intelligent level of fans has diminished.
Too bad the same furor cannot be shown to important matters involving the country.

# Majik Bullet says: October 26, 2010 10:48 AM
# badfish69 says: October 26, 2010 10:29 AM
Let’s see there was illegal touching on Rodgers second INT, Mathews and Raji getting held all night, and a BS Personal foul called on Collins as well.
The Packers may be 6-1 right now if not for BS calls late in the games against Chicago, and Miami. Cry me a river Vikes fans. It happens to everyone, but you always whine the loudest don’t ya?
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Seriously? The Packers could, and should, very easily be 2-5, but for the referee assistance against Detroit and Minnesota. 6-1, what a homer.
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See how that works? Bad calls happen to everybody. It’s a league wide problem. Call me a homer all you want, but I’m sorry when I see Viking fans crying about how it happens to them so much more than anyone else, it is pathetic.
The ball touched the ground on the Shiancoe catch. Should it have been a catch? Probably, but the rules state the ball cannot touch the ground. Blame the rules, and if you actually believe the league reviewed the tapes, debriefed the refs, and informed Childress of the mistakes in less than a 24 hour period, I have some ocean front property to sell ya in Green Bay. Bottom line if Favre throws a good pass there it isn’t even a question. It is a touchdown. Favre has accounted for 14 turnovers resulting in 51 points against the Vikes in six games. Put the blame where it should really lie instead of crying about officiating.

” the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores. ”
Majik…this is what you said Einstein. How else would one interpret it? Vikes lost by four. Now add fourteen and they win by ten. Which is your “two scores”

With about a minute left in the half, Favre connected with Moss on a 50-yarder down to the 5 yard line, that would have probably been another TD. But they called Moss for pass-interference because his finger-tips touched the defender. He never extended his arms or pushed the defender in any way. That was another totally bogus call. So instead of another TD the Vikings got nothing.

# Supersuckers2 says: October 26, 2010 11:18 AM
” the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores. ”
Majik…this is what you said Einstein. How else would one interpret it? Vikes lost by four. Now add fourteen and they win by ten. Which is your “two scores”
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My bad Super, I forgot I need to clarify every single detail with the simple minded. No, the 14 pts there are not the 2 score victory I referred to. What I meant, and actually said but should have clarified even more for the less intelligent, is that those 2 plays changed the entire game. If the Vikes go into the half up 21-10 or 21-7 as they should have, the whole game is different. Peterson gets about 10 more carries, Favre has no need to throw all over the place and throw picks, Vikes win by 2 scores. Are you catching on yet, or should I start drawing pictures for you, Einstein?

# CaptainMarvel says: October 26, 2010 11:50 AM
With about a minute left in the half, Favre connected with Moss on a 50-yarder down to the 5 yard line, that would have probably been another TD. But they called Moss for pass-interference because his finger-tips touched the defender. He never extended his arms or pushed the defender in any way. That was another totally bogus call. So instead of another TD the Vikings got nothing.
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Fail.
Not even your whiny ass coach could defend that one. Two hands on the defender can and should draw a flag in that instance.
So what about the Vikings INT in the endzone? Frank Walker clearly stepped out of bounds and was the first to touch it in the field of play. That is illegal touching. Are you as angry about that bad call?

ArcticEdge says:
This is a conspiracy. The refs are continually blowing games for the Vikings and there is a good reason for it.
What’s going on is that the NFL wants a team in LA. They want the Vikings because they are a Super Bowl contender, and the marketing possibilities in LA and the revenues would be HUGE! The NBA has made billions from having the Lakers in LA and the NFL wants to do the same. It’s a copy cat world.
In order for the Vikings to move they need to lose and they are obviously way too good to lose so the NFL is telling refs to make certain calls. By losing the NFL believes attendance will drop and Ziggy will look to move the team.
There’s more! The Vikings are in a contract issue with the Metradome and the NFL is getting in the way of that too trying to make negotiations more difficult. The Vikings are also trying for a new stadium and the NFL is getting in the way of that too. A lot of MN polics is about the new stadium and the NFL is throwing propaganda out there to defer MN tax payers away from voting for the politicians that will bring in a new stadium.
This conspiracy goes pretty deep and a lot of people will be in prison soon enough. I’m surprised no major news source has gone with this yet. Maybe it’s because the NFL is paying them off too?
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L.A. is such a hot commodity that the Rams and Raiders both left, with the Rams leaving for Anaheim prior to leaving Southern California for St. Louis.
The L.A./Orange County region hasn’t had a professional football operation for 15 years, and given the economic issues and demographics in that area, it’s questionable over how well a team would be supported, and whether or not a stadium could be funded in a bankrupt state with public money, or if private investors are willing to take the risk.
Could you enlighten us as to how the NFL is interfering with a potential new stadium in Minnesota? I don’t think that you can.
However, the Vikings would probably work well there, given the fact that they are used to playing in front of fair-weather fans.
2-4, soon to be 2-5.

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 10:46 AM
Supersuckers says:
Majik says he is smarter then a guy and the guy that originally wrote the 14 point “swing” post called shitterson a dumbass when they both cannot even figure this out? Wow. Majik and Purple raid = below average intelligence.
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OK, let me spell it out for you. I never said 14 point swing, I said 14 points. As in, the officials put 7 points on the board that shouldn’t have been, and took 7 off that should have been on there, thus totaling 14. There is a difference, and if you can’t figure this out, then saying you have below average intelligence would be an insult to people with below average intelligence.
And granted, yes, the Vikes kicked a FG when they got hosed on the Shank TD. But who’s to say Crosby converts on his attempt if the Quarless gift was properly called? But honestly, the entire point of this argument is moot. Whether it be 8, 11, or 14, the fact of the matter is that any way you spin it, it would have been enough points to give the better team the win. Luckily for you, poor officiating bailed your team out of another game they had no business winning.
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Actually Majik, if you are getting retarded technical on it you joker, the refs did NOT take 7 points off the board and put 7 points on. Your argument should reflect them taking 6 points off and putting 6 points on. Challenges happen/are supposed to happen before the XP!!! DOLT!Stand corrected. But that was Sunday night, and the Packers still won.
Stop your foolishness already.

badfish
Actually, the rules state that the ball can touch the ground and still be a catch, as long as the player maintains possession, known to knowledgeable fans as the Bert Emanuel rule.
And keep telling yourself that Chilly is making this apology up, if that makes you feel better about the tainted win. Even Mike Pereira said it was a catch. He even said had it been called incomplete on the field, it should have been overturned and ruled a TD after review. That’s how bad that call was.
I have trouble believing someone can actually be so naive as to believe that, but honestly, no amount of ignorance spewed from the mouth of a Packer fan really comes as a shock anymore.

It always amazes me how this logic error comes up every week in probably every game where this or that call or play was or wasn’t made. Unless it’s the last play of the game the entire universe of the game changes. You can’t take one or two plays from the game, assume a change in those few plays, and then assume that the rest of the game plays out just as it actually did. You are correct Majik Bullet. Hey, wise philosophers have told us that even by observing an object, you change it….wow….if only that one critical fan had (or had not) shown up to observe the game….the Queens would have won……

Actually maxipadlevel, I already explained how a 6 point TD becomes a 7 point event. Again, I know I need to use small words and clarify everything, but come on. I tried to attach a small diagram, but it didn’t go through, so it looks like it’s on you guys to step up to the plate and finally develop that 4th grade reading comprehension level.

These boards are perfect evidence of how whiny Viking fans are. Never has there been this much crying over anywhere on Pro Football Talk over any team.
Vikings are 2-4, soon to be 2-5.
Your QB is injured.
You lost the NFC Championship last year.
You are almost at 50 seasons without an NFL Championship or Super Bowl.
You are the whiniest fans in the NFL, bar none-don’t confuse whining with passion.
You are the Cryqueens

So I guess all you Packer fans either dropped out of high school and have the reading level of an autistic 4 year old midget with the clap or you are flat illiterate. READ THE FREAKING ARTICLE ! The NFL admitted that they blew those 2 TD calls. The fact that you all are STILL trying to analyze those plays and defend them as being correctly called in the game is hilarious. Do you think you are all smarter than the NFL, than Carl Johnson, the man who called the Vikings Monday to admit that the Refs blew it ? Stop showing your rear ends and take it for what it is. The Packers got a gift Sunday. Consider it an early Christmas gift. Also, all of those mistakes aside, the Vikings still nearly managed to win the game so saying that the Packer “kicked the Vikings’ asses ” is laughable at best. The Packers needed all the help they could get, including the Refs taking points off the board that cost the Vikings the game. Geez. Ignorance at it’s best. Stop being homers Pack fans. Just admit you got lucky.

arodisgod says:
October 25, 2010 5:59 PM
“I dont get what the hubbub is over the shiancoe catch. 1. he had no hand under it. 2. if you watch the replay, the ball moves upward when it contacts the ground. which is what green saw and called. yes it wasnt going to come out but by rule definition its a drop.”
Get a rule book and read it, than you may not be as confused. Your completly wrong saying “by rule definition its a drop”. What rule book are you reading? The one the league uses states that was a catch just like they said after the game, and they also said they had no idea where scott green’s explanation came from.

What kills me is that this “report” is from a friggin tweet based on what the obviously very biased and whiney coach supposedly claims.
In other words, there isn’t a damn bit of evidence based on what Florio wrote that the league has admitted to any such thing, and I certainly haven’t seen anything anywhere else in any kind of official capacity of the league admitting anything.
At least we know the pathetic, whiney excuse-making starts at the top and rolls right on down to the punk-ass fans.

badfish
I have no problem admitting Favre is playing terribly, he is, I accept that. But to say he, and he alone is to blame for 2-4 is ridiculous. Coaching is awful, and they clearly got jobbed Sunday by the refs, as alluded to by the apology from NFL officials.
Oh, wait, an expert such as yourself doesn’t think the apology is real, and, even though you have zero understanding of the Emanuel rule, your expert opinion is that Shank’s catch was no good, even though the current and former head of NFL officiating say it was clearly a catch. Get a clue, man.
And as far as I know, there was no apology by league officials for the random plays you mentioned above. You see, there’s a huge difference between fans complaining about a perceived bad call, and fans complaining about 2 blatant errors that the NFL actually came out and not only admitted, but apologized for.

I learned a long time ago that
A) You can’t reason or argue with stupid people, they think they are right 100% of the time
And
B) That you can’t argue with a homer, the worst kind of fan in sports.
The fact that these Packers fans are on here making up their own interpretation of the rules when it comes to these 2 calls is hilarious. Ignorant, but entertaining. A ball can indeed touch the ground and should be ruled a catch if the player possesses the ball before it makes contact with the ground. Shiancoe clearly had possession and the refs made the right call on the field calling it a TD. The NFL admitted to Brad Childress that Scott Green screwed up the replay by overturning it since there was inconclusive evidence that it was NOT a TD. Is that easy enough to understand Pack fans ? Or do I need to draw stick figures for you illustrating my point ? All of the Pack fans on here are only strengthening my belief that Green Bay fans are the most classless, football ignorant fans in the NFL. Until I see some actual thought put into some of your posts, I can’t take any of you seriously.

# Rip says: October 26, 2010 2:04 PM
What kills me is that this “report” is from a friggin tweet based on what the obviously very biased and whiney coach supposedly claims.
In other words, there isn’t a damn bit of evidence based on what Florio wrote that the league has admitted to any such thing, and I certainly haven’t seen anything anywhere else in any kind of official capacity of the league admitting anything.
At least we know the pathetic, whiney excuse-making starts at the top and rolls right on down to the punk-ass fans.
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Exactly. It is damn near unheard of for the league to even comment on those matters the day after the game. They meet with the refs before they make any comment in those cases.

And for the record Pack fans, I am a huge Vikings fans but let me be clear;
I have been highly unimpressed by the 2010 Vikings. Favre is awful, the offensive line has been awful (although they played their best game of the year against Green Bay and held Dallas to zero sacks) Jared Allen has gotten off to a slow start, the secondary seems to be a concern (lots of injuries as well there) And I really think Brad Childress may be one of the worst, if not THE worst head coach in the NFL. The bright spots have been Peterson who is clearly the best RB in football, Harvin is emerging as a star ( just ask Darelle Revis) and Randy Moss seems to be picking up the offense. If this team can stop turning the ball over (that mean you Brett Favre) they are VERY hard to beat. So you see Pack fans, this is an example of how to NOT be a homer. If all you see is the positive in your team and will defend it to the last, that makes you a homer.

“How about taking some of the blame for not challenging the Quarless ‘touchdown’. ”
Why not? Easy, it’s called ‘home-cooking’. The Packers control the instant replay at Lambeau and the smoking-gun shot of the non-TD-catch wasn’t made available to the Vikings until AFTER the Packers hustled the x-tra point team out and made the PAT. Even NBC didn’t have the shot until after a commercial break just before the following kick-off.
What really needs to happen is that both teams need sufficient time to review plays involving TD’s so they can be given a reasonable chance to challenge controversial plays – especially plays involving TDs. It’s called “Fair play”, and in a league this popular it’s bad sport to have it any other way.

lol viking4234 … what are you gonna say? Favre is playing lights out? Jared Allen is a beast who’s getting double teamed and chipped? these are not good examples because everyone agrees with you..
Favre is awful
Jared Allen is off to a slow start.

There are many more Viking homers than Packer homers on this site. Unfortunately, the majority of them don’t know how to decipher a calendar. They don’t realize that we have flipped to 2010. Their team is not near as good as last year. For the record, the Packers are not as good either.
Despite these bad breaks, the Vikings had the LEAD at the half. They had the LEAD when Brett Favre threw the first of his 3 picks. Get that? The LEAD. Instead of blaming the officials, the blame should be on Favre.

Lordy says:
October 26, 2010 2:40 PM
“How about taking some of the blame for not challenging the Quarless ‘touchdown’. ”
Why not? Easy, it’s called ‘home-cooking’. The Packers control the instant replay at Lambeau and the smoking-gun shot of the non-TD-catch wasn’t made available to the Vikings until AFTER the Packers hustled the x-tra point team out and made the PAT.
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What about the two weaKlINGS that were straddling his sides after the TD. They were in a perfect position to signal Childress to challenge. They obviously didn’t do a good enough job of it. I don’t think the coach would have been upset if they’d have called a timeout if it was guaranteed to save them 7 points. So a non-TD became a TD. Get over it already. Both teams are going to lose this week anyway so what’s it really matter?

I’m still fuming about getting screwed again by the refs in another huge game. I don’t blame Favre for having tears in his eyes by his locker after the game. Like I say I’m still fuming. Hey NFL, the Vikings are due for some positive officiating pretty soon!!!!!!!!

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 12:09 PM
# Supersuckers2 says: October 26, 2010 11:18 AM
” the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores. ”
Majik…this is what you said Einstein. How else would one interpret it? Vikes lost by four. Now add fourteen and they win by ten. Which is your “two scores”
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My bad Super, I forgot I need to clarify every single detail with the simple minded. No, the 14 pts there are not the 2 score victory I referred to. What I meant, and actually said but should have clarified even more for the less intelligent, is that those 2 plays changed the entire game. If the Vikes go into the half up 21-10 or 21-7 as they should have, the whole game is different. Peterson gets about 10 more carries, Favre has no need to throw all over the place and throw picks, Vikes win by 2 scores. Are you catching on yet, or should I start drawing pictures for you, Einstein?
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If the queens went up 21-7 at half, the Packers would have come out firing and scored a TD on every position and went for 2 and converted each time, resulting in a lopsided W for the Pack.
I can forecast too!

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 12:09 PM
# Supersuckers2 says: October 26, 2010 11:18 AM
” the 14 pts, changed the scope of the game in the Packers’ favor. And without those gifts, in a correctly called game, the Vikings win by 2 scores. ”
Majik…this is what you said Einstein. How else would one interpret it? Vikes lost by four. Now add fourteen and they win by ten. Which is your “two scores”
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My bad Super, I forgot I need to clarify every single detail with the simple minded. No, the 14 pts there are not the 2 score victory I referred to. What I meant, and actually said but should have clarified even more for the less intelligent, is that those 2 plays changed the entire game. If the Vikes go into the half up 21-10 or 21-7 as they should have, the whole game is different. Peterson gets about 10 more carries, Favre has no need to throw all over the place and throw picks, Vikes win by 2 scores. Are you catching on yet, or should I start drawing pictures for you, Einstein?
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If the queens went up 21-7 at half, the Packers would have come out firing and scored a TD on every position and went for 2 and converted each time, resulting in a lopsided W for the Pack.
I can forecast too!

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 2:05 PM
badfish
I have no problem admitting Favre is playing terribly, he is, I accept that. But to say he, and he alone is to blame for 2-4 is ridiculous. Coaching is awful, and they clearly got jobbed Sunday by the refs, as alluded to by the apology from NFL officials.
Oh, wait, an expert such as yourself doesn’t think the apology is real, and, even though you have zero understanding of the Emanuel rule, your expert opinion is that Shank’s catch was no good, even though the current and former head of NFL officiating say it was clearly a catch. Get a clue, man.
And as far as I know, there was no apology by league officials for the random plays you mentioned above. You see, there’s a huge difference between fans complaining about a perceived bad call, and fans complaining about 2 blatant errors that the NFL actually came out and not only admitted, but apologized for.
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But your argument against the team you once “rooted” for has Rodgers to blame and no one else for the last 3 years. When we brought up Crosby’s ineffectiveness 3 years ago, you said it’s Rodgers’ fault. When we brought up a below average secondary 2 years ago, you said nope, it’s Rodgers’ fault. When we brought up some of the inept coaching decisions of MM, you said nope, it’s Rodgers’ fault.
Can’t have it both ways cookie. Get a grip on where you stand you hypocrite.

Majoke and all you other clowns:
The NFL doesn’t publicly comment on any conversations, if any actually happen, they have about these matters with teams. So all you fools that are throwing words into Childress’ or Carl Johnson’s mouth are wrong because no one knows what was actually said, if anything was said at all. So how do you know? You’re taking Chillydick’s word for it, a day after he was fuming at the gills over how HE & his QB lost the game?
Let the NFL come out and speak.

maxipad, you’re not nearly intelligent to argue with anymore. I did partially blame Rodgers, never once pinned it all on him, and I’ve always said MM is one of the worst coaches in the league. I know you’re quite simple and unable to use facts when debating, but rather than fabricating nonsense, just go away, save everyone a little time.

So I guess you think those were good calls and that the NFL never called Chilly to admit their mistakes ? Lol. Wow. PACKER fans are dumber than I thought. Packers may finish with a better record than the Vikes this year but it won’t matter, They aren’t going anywhere in the playoffs. A -ROD can’t win a big game. Packers haven’t played the toughest part of their schedule yet either.

by the way, we don’t call the Packers derogatory names like Pack fans call our team. The Queens, Vi-queens, give it a rest. I could call Green Bay the Green Gay Fudge Packers. Seems fitting since all of your linebackers have gender identity issues sporting those long sissy stringy 80’s hair band wigs. Again, Packer fans show how little class they have, know zip about football, and are mouthy, sister kissing, Busch Light guzzling, trailer living, wife beating, no tooth having rejects that probably couldn’t even get a job at the local Circle K. Boom. Roasted.

by the way, we don’t call the Packers derogatory names like Pack fans call our team. The Queens, Vi-queens, give it a rest. I could call Green Bay the Green Gay Fudge Packers. Seems fitting since all of your linebackers have gender identity issues sporting those long sissy stringy 80’s hair band wigs. Again, Packer fans show how little class they have, know zip about football, and are mouthy, sister kissing, Busch Light guzzling, trailer living, wife beating, no tooth having rejects that probably couldn’t even get a job at the local Circle K. Boom. Roasted.

Typical Vikqueens, one or 2 calls get missed and they all go whining to the media. The referees handed them both of the games against GreenBay last year. The refs only messed up twice in this game. Last year against The Packers it was a shit show for refereeing, but Green Bay is used to getting games blown against them so they didn’t bitch or complain. Vikes maybe this is just Kharma for your dirty style of play. It’s no surprise why they are such garbage by the fact they can only find decent players by digging in Green Bays trash can.

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 4:37 PM
maxipad, you’re not nearly intelligent to argue with anymore. I did partially blame Rodgers, never once pinned it all on him, and I’ve always said MM is one of the worst coaches in the league. I know you’re quite simple and unable to use facts when debating, but rather than fabricating nonsense, just go away, save everyone a little time.
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You keep making time for me, so obviously I’m striking a chord, good for me. When you’re backed into corner, there you go with your “intelligence & simplicity” rants. It’s old news, kind of like your boy. And there you go with your flip flopping of what you stated in the past. Your flip flopping is also old news, but I suppose we all know who you get that from. PARTIALLY blaming Rodgers and not pinning it all on Rodgers???…….Yea right! That wasn’t your story the last 3 years, and everyone that has read your nonsense would surely agree.
In the meantime, have you started to plan ahead of who you might “root” for next season? Maybe we can catch you on some Seahawk threads, or maybe Panther threads? Who is up next?

# viking4234 says: October 26, 2010 5:03 PM
by the way, we don’t call the Packers derogatory names like Pack fans call our team. The Queens, Vi-queens, give it a rest. I could call Green Bay the Green Gay Fudge Packers. Seems fitting since all of your linebackers have gender identity issues sporting those long sissy stringy 80’s hair band wigs. Again, Packer fans show how little class they have, know zip about football, and are mouthy, sister kissing, Busch Light guzzling, trailer living, wife beating, no tooth having rejects that probably couldn’t even get a job at the local Circle K. Boom. Roasted.
Hilarious. I don’t know what’s funnier. Is it the fact that you think you’re actually clever? Or is it that you were so excited to send your little insignificant rant that you hit the “submit” button twice?
Pathetic.

Hilarious. I don’t know what’s funnier. Is it the fact that you think you’re actually clever? Or is it that you were so excited to send your little insignificant rant that you hit the “submit” button twice?
Pathetic.
Ok tough guy. Lol. What’s pathetic is that you obviously relate to my post and it irked you so bad you tried to come up with some clever response that ended up being a lame response. Typical trash from a sad sad Pack fan. And you probably fit the exact description I detailed for a typical packer fan. I bet you have a different color of plaid for every day of the week. I don’t expect any more responses from you tonight since your local library is no doubt about to close and you won’t have internet access since they don’t offer high speed internet in your trailer park yet. And I’m done posting in this thread because none of you are worth my time.

# itsallaboutPADLEVELS says: October 26, 2010 6:29 PM
In the meantime, have you started to plan ahead of who you might “root” for next season? Maybe we can catch you on some Seahawk threads, or maybe Panther threads? Who is up next?
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He’s going to give up on football and start dressing like Jenn Sterger. He hopes he can finally get what he has been waiting for all these years.

“I bet you have a different color of plaid for every day of the week.”
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I do, in fact I have two different colors for everyday. Better yet, I have flannels for the different seasons. Cutoffs for the summer, lightweights for the spring & fall, and fleece lined hoodies for the extremes of winter.
Better than wearing your hockey breezers and Wild sweaters to the supermarket once a week.

As a Viking fan I have to say:
Childress needs to learn to through his red flag if he is uncertain about something. Shame on him for not using it in the 2nd quarter on the Packer so called touchdown.
As for the Percy Harvin td at the end of the game that was taken away…..he was pushed before he made the catch…..should have been PI which would have made it 1st and goal.
As for the refs………you guys are terrible.
Let the Refs know how bad they are:
NFL Officiating (Carl Johnson)
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017

packer fans should understand getting screwed because of a bad call (insert favre joke). i’m a vikings fan and i damn well know there should have been a face mask call on rodgers in that cardinals game last year. pack got screwed.

If the refs screwed up like this, the game should be a do-over and come out of the official’s budget. Any game the refs screw up can potentionally end a season. DO OVER.
People trying to belittle Brett for interceptions. How about this? Manning threw for 3, Brees threw for 3, Rapistberger fumbled three times.
Oh, I have a something to ask about a two rules. When a QB is in the box and throws the ball into the ground that’s intentional grounding. When a QB spikes the ball to stop the clock -THAT’S INTENTIONAL GROUNDING. What’s the difference? Don’t say clock management. This is an argument for both incidences. The other is that 2 times this Sunday players from the same team had helmet to helmet contact. Where in Goodell’s rules state the helmet to helmet contact needs to be on the opposing teams? Hypocrite. GET RID OF GOODELL. He blows.

Goodness, we are still talking about the NFC Title Game from last year. Need I remind Viking fans, your team turned the ball over not once, not twice, not 3 times, not 4 times but 5 times. Sure the officiating was questionable at best in that game but the officials didn’t turn the ball over 5 times.
I’m sorry but you don’t deserve to win a game like that when you turn it over that many times, unless of course you’re the Giants playing the Cowboys.

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 10:46 AM
Whether it be 8, 11, or 14, the fact of the matter is that any way you spin it, it would have been enough points to give the better team the win. Luckily for you, poor officiating bailed your team out of another game they had no business winning.
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Another terrific example of flawed logic from an idiot. It changes the entire game if one of these plays goes differently. Sure, the Vikings get four more points if Shiancoe’s TD is correctly ruled a TD. Does that mean the score at the end of regulation is 28-28? No. It means there’s an entirely different path to the end of the game. Different score, different situations, different play calls, possibly different outcome.
But for you or anyone else to claim to know what WOULD HAVE happened if one play were changed is asinine.
Then again, we’ve come to expect that from you.

Majik Bullet says:
October 26, 2010 4:37 PM
maxipad, you’re not nearly intelligent to argue with anymore. I did partially blame Rodgers, never once pinned it all on him, and I’ve always said MM is one of the worst coaches in the league. I know you’re quite simple and unable to use facts when debating, but rather than fabricating nonsense, just go away, save everyone a little time.
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Please. Partially. Yeah, and you’re only partially retarded.