Nigel Farage Booms "Europe Is Now Run By Big Banks, Big Business, And Big Bureaucrats"

With Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras settling into his role as EU President, UKIP's Nigel Farage stunned the "Goldman Sachs puppet" with a 150-second tirade of truthiness he has likely never experienced. Farage sacrastically remarks how Greeks "will be dancing in the streets" at Samaras' 'successful' negotiation on MiFiD reminding him that "60% of youth are unemployed and the neo-nazi party are on the march." Europe is now run by "big business, big banks, and big bureaucrats," Farage goes on, suggesting the smarmy-looking Samaras should "rename his party from New Democracy to No Democracy." People do not want a United State of Europe, the outspoken UKIP leader explains, they want a "Europe of sovereign states," and concludes ominously, "the European elections will be a watershed."

...And you come here Mr Samaras and you tell us that you represent the sovereign will of the Greek people? Well, I'm sorry, but you're not in charge of Greece, and I suggest you rename and rebrand your party - it's called 'New Democracy', I suggest you call it 'No Democracy'.

Because Greece is now under foreign control. You can't make any decisions, you've been bailed out, and you've surrendered democracy, the thing your country invented in the first place.

And you can't admit that joining the euro was a mistake - of course Mr Papandreou did that didn't he, he even said there should be a referendum in Greece and within 48 hours, the unholy trinity (troika) that now run this European Union had him removed and replaced by a ex-Goldman Sachs employee puppet.

We are run now by big business, big banks and in the shape of Mr Barroso, big bureaucrats...

He never says anything bad about the UK because they aren't a part of the euro. Loving the hand that feeds him? No, not attacking the hand that has a functional legal system that infers his right to speech, you will find if you strain your little brain beyond its mediocre limits, is the reason for his aim elsewhere.

no, for once it's really, really not about the US. beside a lot of other issues he mentioned a very important point

Nigel Farage said: "Whatever you may say in this Chamber, the People out there don't want a United States of Europe, they want a Europe of Sovereign States, trading and working together…"

which is correct. the Members of the European Parliament do tend to be morefederalist than their electorates. it's the usual drive to centralization which a center of power, if left uncontested, exerts

In this, I agree wholeheartedly with Nigel. What we have now is a (proto-) confederation of still fully sovereign nations (note: armed national forces fuelled by national taxes, the true age old litmus test of sovereignty) and Brussels' bunch should stop trying to make it a federation

Meanwhile Farage does not mention that most europeans don't share his "pick-and-choose" (and typically British) attitude versus the four freedoms, the very basis of the current EU

1. Freedom of movement of goods. 2. Freedom of movement of services. 3. Freedom of movement of capital. 4. Freedom of movement of people (meaning EU citizens, not extra-europeans)

Typically our dear British cousins are all in for the first three (including enlargements of the EU vs East, military and diplomatic cooperation, etc. - the whole imperial shebang) but don't want the fourth freedom. Well, it's a package, all four or nothing, and continental (including popular) opinion on this is crystal clear

4. Freedom of movement of people (meaning EU citizens, not extra-europeans)

Further more

If Freedom of movement was in, it ment for holidays/business without boarders...................Europeans had not bean invented at the common market stage...........but guess what..............later the carrot become a turnip.................

The reason UK does not want freedom of imigration within europe is a simple one..............the europeans that come to the UK for our socialist payment system that is better than many of it's common market partners.......................why do you think people are prepaird to kill them selves........................trying to get to the UK ( in the lorries, boats and trains that cross the channal.........................because London is pathed in Gold! LOL

So now the UK will have to reduce it's bennifits system (should have been done 15 years ago) to the detrement of it's Uk citisens that pay into that system....................or ban them from claiming as the Uk gov are toying with at presant.

Socialism is killing economies all over the world and governments do not want to remove/reduce as they are frightend of being voted out or social unrest.

In the UK I can see that they have started to cap benifits (Like shutting the door after the horse has bolted) and it will take along time for thease caps work in getting peeps back to work when it pays better to stay at home and watch TV all day than go out to work. (jobs available permiting)

And that brings us to all the Europeans doing low paid work in the UK that the lazy paid to stay at home will not do!

So the Uk pays peeps to stay at home and allows Europeans to work (pay thier taxes) but send thier earnings home ..........thats a lose lose situation.

Also the europeans with kids at home in thier country claim bennifits from Uk for thier kids, so Uk is supporting European kids that will never contribute to the system................it's mad!

I somewhat* agree with you, and find that your posts confirm what I am writing above

I also note that the root of your issues is in British politics, done by Britons for Britons

We continentals can't be blamed to have, in a club of 28 sovereigns, a different, more detailed, deeper discussion on all things EU (and EUR, though that is again a different club). And we can't change the fact that there is a language barrier in all this, since we tend to have those national discussions in foreign languages. which just happen to be our national languages, it's not done on purpose in order to exclude you, but it acts this way. and frankly, the American Cousins don't help. they tend to see the EU "like the US", and are even more superficial about it

the average Briton is a complete outlier in the EU. knows less about, is less interested in (even when against, which is doubly strange for us), tends to be for more free trade (which we continentals tend to want only intra-EU), tends to be for more globalization (which we tend to see as a serious treath, particularly when it comes to food), tends to be way more friendly to the other Five Eyes (where we would prefer to them to stop spying on us), and so on

a stunning super-majority of Britons (75%!) is against the EUR. in the eurozone, majorities are still for it, and the rest does not share this special POV. that's a fact

yet The Deal is the Four Freedoms. the South (and the New East, which Britain pushed to get in) won't accept a three-freedoms solutions. out of 28 some 24 would find it utterly unfair. it's still a club of peers, even though Britain sometimes sleepwalkingly thinks it should be led... by Britain, of course (or constantly searches for the other leader, and is baffled not to find one, but just a series of consensus decisions)

my hope is that until 2017 Britons starts to have a honest and detailed discussion, in order to take a serious national decision. but we can't force you to be less superficial about it. it's your can of worms

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*(I disagree on the details of British immigration, which I urge you to study a bit better. only a fraction of immigrants born in other countries are from the EU. and this includes, imho, not only the millions from the Subcontinent and the former Commonwealth, this includes the 500k Irish, which had a separate, earlier deal)

We don't want to make our problems your problems but Euro wants thier problems to become ours!

When I go to most towns/cities in the Uk you would not think you are in the UK..............you hardley hear any English being spoken.

I am not against immigration per/say...............but the ballance of scales is too lop sided in the UK.

Our unemplyment could be wiped out if we did not have EU citizens doing Uk Jobs ( I am talking low paid) not the better paid that we have for skills that we are in short supply.

And as for study better...........I live it, breath it every day I see it, smell it, every day.

We have more Poles here than anything ( I am not against them many are hard working and not sucking the UK tit ) they are claiming for thier kids back home, they get a UK pension if they work here for ten years and you think that is right ...............that the UK should subsidise Poland or any other EU Country.............we already subsidise on our contribution.

You quote Freedom

Well What about the FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

We want our carrot back and return the turnip!

"We continentals"...........yes you sheep,chickens etc, foxes and wolves have been fighting each other for ever and if you think by collectivly joining together you will stop that fighting...............history tells a differant story and this miss guided European experement ( And that is what it is) is going to blow up at some stage.

In britain if we had a vote...................brits will want to come out.....................but because we have so many europeans that could vote................it would be a tie!

How is that for freedom!

Why do you think the labour party let so many in..............they new that that would vote for labour in the elections...........politians always do what's good for them...............not the country.

We need to start getting leaders like Nigel...............who wants to put Britain FIRST!

XAU XAG, I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. Poles can't vote for the British Parliament. The only EU citizens (except of course you Britons) that can are the Irish, and this by an Act of Parliament from 1949. Which includes the Commonwealth citizens, i.e. the Pakistani, the Indians, etc. Again, I urge you to study the true composition of foreign born people in the UK

and it's only the British Parliament that can decide about the UK leaving the EU or not. or alternatively call for a referendum on that

Citizens of the European Union (who are not Commonwealth citizens or Citizens of the Republic of Ireland) can vote in European and local elections in the UK, elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies (if they live in those areas) and some referendums (based on the rules for the particular referendum) but are not able to vote in UK Parliamentary general elections.

Yes, if UK citizens want to stop attracting people who want to parasitise rather than work, they need to make their system much more 'pay as you go' - principally in healthcare and education, as well as unemployment benefits. Get rid of those incentives, and the only people migrating to the UK will be those who can intend to offer value... rather than use the system to extract it from resident taxpayers.

But the UK sheep have been brainwashed with decades of socialist thought. They'd never surrender their 'fairness'... though they might vote to exclude foreigners from receiving it.

and that's what we currently have. the request for a fiscal union? I have to point out that the loudest voices for that came from... the City. followed by a minority of continental federalists. there are no majorities on the continent for fiscal union, no serious plans, nothing (don't get me started on the EMF and the other funds)

yet I have to repeat: the Four Freedoms is what defines for us the trading block. that's The Deal. those are the Club Rules. and the current British discussion about that is centered on the fourth freedom, paired with a scare for an introduction of the EUR in Britain. yet the UK's GBP does not even qualify for it

my wish is for a British political discussion where it's not a given that the continent wants Britain to join any further clubs. and instead read and understand the current club rules. and take a decision, instead of poisoning the political discussion

Or, perhaps, truthfulness? FWIW, Bill Gates, via Microsoft Word, allows truthiness but not truthyness, at least in the 2007 version here in the US. There is no higher authority, right? And the intent of the word used is unclear, as dictionary.com considers truthiness to relate more to opinion than fact. So was Farage giving an opinion or were his statements based on fact?

English is hard enough for those whose native language is English, no matter which version. Homophones abound, and only diligent study and caring allows one to be proficient. I never realized this until I met my (Chinese) wife, back in 1976, and started helping her with a course about English for Speakers of Other Languages. Her constant questions about words really gave me pause. Still do, in fact.

"...And you come here Mr Samaras and you tell us that you represent the sovereign will of the Greek people? Well, I'm sorry, but you're not in charge of Greece… (…) Because Greece is now under foreign control. You can't make any decisions, you've been bailed out, and you've surrendered democracy, the thing your country invented in the first place."

can't readily recall whether or not we've crossed swords....and since i cannot readily recollect, i reckon there's no bad-will wafting amongst us; all that being said, i feel i must inject a point or two into your soft-bellied platitudes.

all in good-will and all to the betterment of man, mind you.

EUR bashing? well, my dear friend, the 'euro' and what was initially meant and what has now manifest are two totally distinct things.

what, pray tell, do you esteem belongeth withing the rubric of (in the most expansive and inclusive sense) the 'euro'; and what, prayest thou, did you in your ambitious reckoning imagine would solidly configure such-like...is it, perchance, the dream that the roma would be welcome with both warm embrace and open arms; that all civilized peoples would lure unto themselves and licences as peers the very most wretched, to be the accommodated and accepted within the supremely evolved among mankind (let us not play silly games any longer... the cushite savage and the 'western' new-age-man are two totally disparate entities (i'm now done playing the deferential games that tally only in our denouement)) -- (deny it though you may) -- the new accord signed haplessly and wrecklessley amongst the various 'members' of this wildly ambitious project that was to 'unite' the peoples of irreconcilably inimical cultures, is was, and will remain, a damnable and cursed project of some sorta satan...but we cannot assume satan is a moron; give the devil his due -- something else is afoot.

bolshevism, i say.

fuck it all; and damn it all to hell.

if the resolution of this mess has within it the germ of jingoistic potency; well, i, for one say God bless it! fuck em. if nationalizm is the sole recourse to enmity and hatred...let civilization and liberty win (and to resounding effect). i'd much sooner see the betters develop at the expense of the lessers -- no matter how goddam 'unfair' that may, at its face, appear.

time for choosing sides, ZHealots.

i side with Farage.

and the more antagonistic you pussies make it; the more viscous will be our response.

godless commies, you are playing a VERY dangerous game...and you will lose (and lose much that you love).

it is our custom to accommodate dissent; nevertheless, it is our duty to extinguish hostility whensoever it assumes a disproportionate influence.

we will soundly route you out...and. moreover, if janus has his say (and it's likely he will) i'd with joy and bliss force you all beneath a gallow or other-such sharp and implacable blade.

(not necessarily you, gladious...just the folks that intend harm unto me and mine -- cause i don't take kindly to harm; and i KNOW they mean to deliver it to me...(but janus has bigger and brighter gifts to delvier))

so, in closing, let us freely define what is 'euro'; what is 'American'; what is white; what is black; where we all stand; what we all mean in both the aggregate and individual sense to one another; and what we all mean within that melange...there is some truth both within and without that swirling vortex...and, more importantly, there are great and abiding lies.

be a member of some meainglingless 'group' or join the fraternity of 'man'

win or lose...choose.

and to all that read janus,please-oh-please provoke within me love or hate -- cause i gots both; and i can cast them out with equal potency....fair warning.

1. the eurozone, a club of 18 countries using the EUR. 2. the EU, a club of 28 countries, which includes the UK. 3. Jingoism and nationalism (where Farage is for "more British"), though you don't mention the context of globalization (where Farage and most Britons give mixed messages) and

4. a classic American "them all godless Bolshewiks, fuck them all"

I'll give you an answer to number four: if you look up in Wikipedia for European Parliament, on the right you will see the graphical composition of what europeans elect, in colours

on the left, in classic red, the communists, socialists, social democrats, etc. 195 seats

then, in classic green, the EcoWarriors, the "Greens", the "Treehuggers", the Ecological Parties, etc. 58 seats

what follows after what you might call "Lefties" from an American perspective (we generally don't see our liberals as Lefties), in various shades of blue, dark blue, etc. is the conservatives. the biggest block with 274 seats, after the conservative eu-skeptics broke away, with 56 seats

study that and come back to me. imho europe has a conservative backbone - one that the average American can't even imagine. Just to pick from names you might recognize, it goes from Sarkozy to Merkel to Cameron to Berlusconi to... not in the league in any way, but beyond that, ...Putin

it just suits your conservatives to paint all things europeans as "lefties"

eh? I'm quite continental, thank you very much. as in european continental. where on the Continent (you know, that part of the world that used to be cut off whenever there was fog in the Channel) liberals are not seen as lefties. are they seen so in the UK? libertarians, too?

i'll address this both piecemeal and overall -- since i'm the great mingler and dissembler -- and with respect to that which is for you both resonate and dissonant, i will do my everlasting-best to reconcile the lot of them all...but. foremost, you must understand that i am distinct from and above your didactic, pedantic and idiomatic reasoning...janus is something other-than.

oh, please, do not kink your brow at janus (i'm drinking, and...) and...and, you asked for and stoked this with the italitization of 'different' in the affixed text of your address to me, janus.

awwwwwwwww, shit, i just re-read your shit...i just realized that you misread or misinterpreted everyrthing i'd written; either that, or i'd done the same and responded in a fashion unfamiliar to the parlance customary your lexicon...goddam, my man, seems we mostly agree.

i agree, there's not only a conservative 'back-bone' in protestant europe, there's a violent distaste for that which is hostile to it...the godless commies are prepping themselves for a gory gutting acrost continental europe...same as it ever was -- (art and whatnot like) -- same as it ever was....same as it ever was.

ghordious, let's talk practicalities and the diestic motive that abides in all of man (our modern substiutution of 'science' notwithstanding). man needs but recognize a generative being distinct from yet integrated into his self...insofar as the enthusiastically promoted and tinselated idols we've been offered (multiculturalism, sodomy, hedonism, depravity & the like) soon loose their lustre...it is a fact that man needs, wants and is owed a God -- and a Good One, at that. one that looks like and is loyal to the cause of the prominent population.

this is all going to begin horribly...and where will it end? surely, the rainbow-push coalition will achieve its aim and all of man will live neighborly the same because they've been granted every extention of credit, they've been given every advantage in subsistance, they've been raised to the level of sophistication by virtue of basic and respectable means being met (irrespective of their efforts or aptitudes)...the materialist dialectic has been tested, proven and verified and invariably met with resounding failure in every pernicious permutation in which it's festered its rot.

and it occurs most frequently within specifically identifiable 'demographics' (whatever that means).

we kept wanting the yes we nudged to alter the 'no' upon which they stubbornly insisted...yes, we say!

yes they can't!

no, sadly, no.

the 'lefties' have made it clear that they aim to raze all that is productive, virtuous and traditional.

or, c'est possible, we disagree?

to me, these 'dissidents' have gone WAY too far and must be put in their proper place.

time to figure out who belongs where.

i'm all for 'progress'; and my vision of such is just as valid (if not oh-so-moreso) as any in existence:

i was, am and will remain a legitimate Liberal -- only, they and i parted ways whens't they bastardized the meanings and ways wherefore...'they' being nihilists, communists and sodomites. i was always willing to tolerate you people; but i will not be beholden to you.

Either you do not live in Greece and therefore have no clue what you are talking about

or two

You live in Greece and have no clue what you are talking about.

Samaras is the Prime Minister of Greece. he does represent the Hellenic Republic - No, he is in direct conflict with the Greek constitution.

the Greek Parliament that appointed Samaras does represent the Greek People - No, the majority of people did not vote for him, and for over 30% of the Greek population chose no one.

the Greek Parliament was elected freely (with a proportional multi-party electoral system) by the Greek People - Your joking right? The "winner" gets a Super Bonus of an extra 50 seats. It is a game show.

the majority of the Greek People still wants the EUR. and this is reflected in Parliament. do you have a better option, Nigel? - Farage is out of touch on this, no one is perfect

the Greek Sovereign is still free. it could default, it could adopt a New Drachma, it could do a lot of things. but does it want to? - Your right, the people want it, the politicians will not offer referendum, ie no democracy.

Your in a dream world if you think the Greek government is working in the interests of the Greek people. Government officials are too pre occupied jamming their noses up the arse***** of "prestigious" foreigners.

so you agree with me that the majority of Greeks want to keep the EUR. this might be already stunning for many readers

this leaves the rest as Greek constitutional issues, doesn't it? yours is an inner political issue. you can't seriously expect non-Greeks to have an issue on your electoral participation, on your electoral system, on your quality of leadership, on your national decisions. what's next? are we supposed to invade in the fashion of the Peloponnesian War?

the Swiss have valid referendums where only freaking 30% shows up to vote, and they change their constitution with it

the British have a single-seat electoral system where only one freaking party/candidate wins, and all the rest lose

as I wrote in the other thread, EU immigrants as such can't vote for the British Parliament. the exceptions are the Irish, Cypriots and Maltese, since 1949, because all Commonwealth citizens are treated in the same way as Britons

Citizens of the European Union (who are not Commonwealth citizens or Citizens of the Republic of Ireland) can vote in European and local elections in the UK, elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies (if they live in those areas) and some referendums (based on the rules for the particular referendum) but are not able to vote in UK Parliamentary general elections. - See more at: http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/who_can_register_to_vote.aspx#sthash.g7bLKK...

And in some referendums

European Union citizen living in the UK
local government elections, European elections, Police and Crime Commissioner elections

I have no idea whether a majority of the Greeks "want to keep the EUR"; or not; and I suspect no one else does either. But I'm sure many Greeks understand that the EUR system, which they joined under false credentials, represents free financing from Northern Europe; and this would be a logical reason to want to keep it. Their former system, for the twentieth century involved periodic devaluations and seemed to "work" alright.

I dont know anyone who would not want a de-facto gold standard Euro. de-facto being the key phrase.

About the rest, you lost me. My point is Greece, like any other democracy is undemocratic, ie the majority of people did not vote for their government or their policies yet they are forced to finance it.

Thanks, Limit_less you said most of it. I will add one more thing that is, the 95% of the MSM in Greece is entirelly a Propaganda Machine of (Orwellian proportions) in the PAY of the Enemies (Foreign and Domestic) of the Greek Nation.

You chitter chatter about representing and freely electing but the only thing that matters is the matter of who counts. The only people who count are the people who count the votes, or are they machines in Greece?

We, in the US, have found that voter and election fraud to be real and they do have consequences. I do not recall hearing anything such-like over in your parts. Surely it happens. Is it reported?

I used to live in Greece and consider myself to be quite knowledgeable about greece and its people I also speak greek fluently. I used to live in Crete years ago, I also traveled extensively by foot all over the country.

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IHMO the Greeks will have the last laugh on this fuck.

It's you that are projecting your ignorance on us who know the real greece.

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I'll give you one last one for reflection I mentioned early I used to fight with greeks, they love to fight, fuck, and get drunk.

A common reflection at 5am would be "Us greeks aint' got nothing, but we know what we got, you ameriKKKan's ain't got shit, but you think you have something"

I used to think those were wise words, and they came from Zorba's own mouth.

You sound like a wanna be Simon black with all your comments, but completely full of shit. Every time anything like this come up, there you are with "having travelled this country extensively or loved there for many years" and "my friends who are ex NSA" give me a break. I think you are making all this shit up.

The Greeks will put forward a very different face than their inner, deeper thoughts. Most thoughts revolve around "He's trying to screw me. What can I do to screw him?" Too many have this self-serving approach. It was ignorance, arrogance and a loophole in their thinking that got them here.

They do NOT love to fight, fuck and get drunk. They love to ARGUE, fuck, eat and drink.

You wrote: "IHMO the Greeks will have the last laugh on this fuck."

That is what Tsipras is trying to do. He will press the troika to relax this austerity because he feels he has them right where he wants them. If Greece goes, others will go.

I am very qualified to say this. I went to North Korea with Dennis Rodman and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express

It is very surprising. That you can directly call such people out like that and not be forced out of office. That man must have actually led an honest, moral life, because if he had one single skeleton in his closet, it would have been exposed for all to see in order to silence/discredit him. And you re right, as must truth as RP unleashed, he was never nearly as direct, and wouldn't call someone a GS puppet on a national stage like that. Hope he doesn't happen to drive a new model Mercedes. It would be a shame if spontaneously exploded

As I understand it, Farage did more or less miraculously survive a mysterious small plane crash ... which was the kind of accident that has eliminated quite a few politicians that were not liked by the ruling classes in the USA.

Farage excels in Rhetoric (art of persuasion)--something Ron Paul never did. Paul was interesting because of his contrariness on many issues. He was a thoughtful libertarian ideologue. But he was no public speaker.

Nigel Farage is a great speaker and a great entertainer, but so far his performance has been a bit disappointing. He has predicted multiple "watershed" moments and according to his past delusions his party should by now be going head to head with the tories and labour. Oh well, maybe this time really is different.

The FT had a nice piece a week or so ago detailing the litany of recent elections in the UKThe UKIP won most everything hands down, blow away, lights out.And compared the UKIP to the US's Tea/Libertarians in that both are rebelling against similar One Big Party Two Supposed Wings Phenomenon.

If the conversation I had with a traffic cop (who courteously and politely stopped me to advise me that I had a dead brake light bulb, which I replaced on the spot; no attempt at all to kick the tires or otherwise find fault with the vehicle in order to book me for something. Didn't even breathalyse me, which they almost always do!) a few weeks ago is anything to go by, TPTB might be VERY wrong about whose side the UK cops are on, if the day comes where the sheeple wake up and actually take to the streets.

Just because his predictions haven't happened yet doesn't mean they won't. I think history will prove him right. Probably not the published history, but the true history you must look for. Look at all the YouTube videos of Ron Paul saying shit about the threat of govt spying with all the advances in Internet, etc in the fucking 80s. He sounded like a nut job. Then sure enough, 20 years later, guess what? Same with the fed is going to monetize the debt, housing bubble etc. his timing my have been off, but he was right. I suspect the same thing will happen with this guy.

The only problem is. He doesn't get the relevant media coverage by the MSM and I think the Bullshit Brodcasting Corp., hardly mentions him . On that account things are not clear who is and who isn't part of the TPTB. But like Fonz I keep being a sceptic no matter how good they sound.

oh i completely admit that Doc. I passed jaded a long time ago. Who did he call the squid out to Doc? Who is listening to this? He has gone on these booming rants on here for years. I guess I should credit him for it and be happy he is doing something and all that. But I just think he is our Santelli. Santelli probably gets more exposure if anything.

It's hard not to just chalk him up to being another actor in the big play put on for us year in and year out.

I am not willing to throw in the towel yet that everybody is a player trying to screw us over. I like to believe that there are still a couple truth tellers. He may not get much exposure, but I sure like the idea of TPTB having a thorn in their side.

Now if the Euro starts to crumble and Nigel pulls a Santelli or a Fisher then I'll burn my Spider-Man towel.

At this point Doc I am keeping an eye on my dog. all she wants to do is go for walks and play ball and wag her tail and act all happy. as if she is trying to make me happy. It's a bullshit act and she is starting to see I am on to her. she's a part of this Doc.

I'm with doc on this. Didn't junk you either by the way. There have to be a small number of people every now and then that tell the truth and actually mean what they say. If every single on of these people is an actor in part of this highly controlled farce, what's even the point of all this shit. There is no reason to expressly forbid his kind of language, nor to suspect he is merely an actor. TPTB can allow them to have their pulpit and speak their minds, and just like in this country with RP, they have complete control of the media, who they use to marginalize, ignore, or pick and choose sound bites to make them sound crazy, so most people never really get the message without actually digging a little deeper. And only a tiny % if people have the attention span and brain power to do so

Nigel was born to a banker who left his family at an early age. Nigel worked in the financial industry himself before become active in politics, and now calls them out. I think he was burned by that industry and feels the pain. My opinion is that he is for real and that he devotes his life to telling them to go fuck off.

Doc has it right. you have to have some hope. if you don't things get very dark very quick. But I will say this...I think there are a few people out there who were the real deal. I use the past tense because they are no longer around. Hastings was one. I don't even feel comfortable naming the others. These people were eliminated, and they were not loud mouths... So when I see Farage screaming and yelling year after year it sort of makes it easier to chalk him up the way I do.

Ha someone is trolling you on every single post my friend. But you are right about that. It does make you wonder. Maybe he is just allowed to exist just to bring some sort of differing opinion. Hell, maybe he, like this website, exists solely to expose and identify people who hold these kinds of opinion. If we are willing to go with that assumption about him, is everyone who manages to gain any kind of attention saying these types of things in the same category? Not necessarily saying you are wrong, but as jaded as I am, ther has to be the occasional public figure that is genuine. And in his case, maybe being such a loud mouth helps. He is too widely known, to a point where him having some sort of tragic accident where he stabs himself three times then throws himself off a bridge would draw too much scrutiny

Doc knows i'm coming from a good place. I'd like to believe this is all genuine. But we don't want an echo chamber on here right? So I figured i'd throw that out there so at least this does not turn into a Nigel lovefest.

Maybe Nigel, Rogers, Faber and Ron Paul will come out with "the economic expendables" this summer.

I've always been a fan of your insights and sincerity, fonz. The very credibility of all elected officials must always be scrutinized - even if they spew what you believe to be true. I now try to fight my cynicism as much as I do my optimism (because I am now by default a skeptic). The ability to critique is lost on most that find agreement, which is well known to media manipulators. It is a question you always have to ask if you are a thinking man, no matter if you agree, so don't fret about those that only want to seek out a confirmation bias by hatin'. After all, if Farange is paid for (and I question his local politics and relationship with London, myself), then you have a perfect Hegelian dialectic for TPTB. Anyway, of course his words resonate, because he speaks the truth to power, but power knows the value of truth, and I appreciate your interjection.

More inclined to agree with fonzannon than others. I am confused - I like what he says, but dislike politicians as a personal policy and particularly the sort of shits who are senior members of UKIP.

Is he a gamekeeper turned poacher? Or another facet of the City seeking inroads into power to get contrarian competitive advantage by imposing their brand of nationalism? He is unrelenting in his criticism of federal eu, which I applaud, yet the model he appears to blindly love is the biggest federal state across the pond (USA), along with the fascist intelligence/security apparatus across the english-speaking world known by dozens of acronyms starting with echelon. Is he really, earnestly, trying to prevent a United States of Europe? Or just trying to prevent a rival super power to the United States of America and its satellites in Europe? For all his impassioned speeches against federalism, I have not heard ONE criticism of the USA from him.

He seems earnest, but appearances can be deceptive. What the fuck do I know? I never met the man, so nothing really.

Why in the hell can't we have just one voice in our elected government who will speak the truth? The bastard from Greece looked like he wanted to kill Nigel for a moment, but Nigel just kept on after him.

This is one of the reasons I believe him to be the real deal. You can watch other members of "parliament" writhe in their seats, and their body language tells just how uncomfortable they really are. They laugh at him, call him names, ignore him, etc.

At the end of the day, even if he is just part of the system, his words are still attracting people to think differently. And in this sense, I think we can all appreciate what he's doing.

A bit of wit from the Brit who gives them a fit when they sit in the pit that has now been lit by the words that he writ as they squirm in the grit and they ooze like a zit when he just won't quit with the hit makes me smile like I do when theres a tit in my mit.

i would say greece is just ahead of time. soon it will be every nations fate. all the centrally planned economies we currently have are a joke and now the bureaucrats promote that only when they will be allowed to plan centrally on a regional or even global scale, all will be well. till now, there's nothing we can learn from greece or everything, if we act opposite.

Greece has always been the coolest place in all of EUROPE to "HANG OUT", get laid and CHILL.

The EURO destroyed this, so I'm all for ending the EURO.

Sadly under the EURO for 15+ years the POLITICIANS filled the public with DEBT, and now GReeks are debt-whores, who must sell their first born to Amsterdam whore-houses, thus this fraud is not going to go well, cuz ..

GREEK men unlike USA men have ball's, satoshi a real life SAMURAI has spent many an hour drinking OUZO and fucking greek women and fighting greek men, and I can tell you they no pussy man-twat that can be found in USA.

THe greek's of course will go full retard nazi, or anybody that tells them "VOTE FOR ME AND I WILL TELL THE EURO FOLK TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES"

But when the COPS come to Greece to collect their POUND of flesh, they will DIE,

Greece is interesting, because its in the WEST where Christianity Becomes MUSLIM, ... its where men become men instead of panzy ass girly-boys.

Greeece is a place where you fuck with the wrong woman and they cut your cock off no questions asked, a hard core place, where you show some respect, and even the NAZIS during WWII never really conquered most of Greece.

AFganistan is same, ... even the black-widows chopped off the dicks of Russians who killed their husbands, ... some people get even, others just bang on their keyboard.

glad you asked! the world is run by "BASEL' right smack in the center of euroland. england... yes, the great british empire brought it about. the central bank for not only europe, but, every central bank in the world. who created the "Basel"? check out your history [your excellent at it and very intelligent not to connect the dots] that coincides with 'the creatures from jekyll island' and wwi with wilson's 1913 frb`system?

the same people that control 'Basel" control the frb`s and every money transfer/ commodity/ fx transaction in the world's financial universe via "BIS", period! everything is fixed at "Basel and BIS". have you seen Basel III, yet? well, "Basel I & Basel II" via BIS has enslaved the world poorest continents, and now they want to imprison the entire planet!

just like the frb's and its unknown owners that run this country and the world's hegemonic monopoly from outer-space probably(?) run "Basel" through total secrecy and total anonymity.

no one knows who they are, or how they begot themselves, other than a zionist cabal [jmo] consolidated through chaos, designed wars, and greed, etc., etc.,!

the islands off of the british coast are a good start, not to forget mentioning the myriad of islands in the caribbean, the french riviera,... and yes, tel aviv.

this is where the solution to the problem can be fixed by shining a light on their nefarious deeds regarding the demolition of any country in the third world, industrial world or emerging economies. see venezuela, greece, all of central africa, pakistan, and soon to be turkey just to name a few on the hit list! a litany of financial destruction at a keyboard's stroke!!!