For many, many years, since before I first registered on the IGN Boards, there were two separate boards for these two series - the Mario Bros. Board for Mario, the Super Smash Bros. Board for Super Smash Bros. These two boards developed vastly different communities and histories. Both boards had tens of thousands of threads discussing their respective series. Both boards had people who considered one board or the other to be their home.

Then one day, we moved over to these new boards. I don't know who was in charge of creating new boards and moving threads, but whoever it was decided to not to recreate the Super Smash Bros. Board, and he/she dumped all of the Smash Bros. threads onto the Mario Bros. Board as well.

Now, the communities of both of these boards have been very upset about this. They've waited for the past couple of months for a new Super Smash Bros. Board to be made, thinking that it was just something that the staff would get around to. But now it's clear that no member of the staff is in any hurry to make this board. So I have taken the liberty of placing this request for a new Super Smash Bros. Board here where it will most certainly be read.

Mario and Super Smash Bros. just aren't the same series. Mario is Mario. Super Smash Bros. is about various Nintendo icons. The majority of the Smash Bros. games' content is non-Mario-related. It has Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pikmin, Star Fox, F-Zero, Sonic the Hedgehog, Metal Gear Solid, and all manner of other franchises apart of it. Mario and Smash Bros. also have vastly different gameplay - Mario is often about platforming and adventuring. Super Smash Bros. is about fighting. There is just no justification for thinking a Mario Board is suitable to discuss Super Smash Bros. Wouldn't you agree that leaving the Legend of Zelda Board or the Kirby Board would be bad places for Super Smash Bros. threads to be made? Well, it's the same with Mario. Super Smash Bros. games are just plainly not Mario games. Super Smash Bros. has three major games, each one a massive hit, each one with a lot of publicity in the gaming world. There are also one or two more games from this series known to be on the way. The Smash Bros. series needs its own board for the massive amount of discussion it propagates.

The two boards' communities have also had difficulty integrating together. The two boards have had negative history with each other, known for intense arguing and trolling, and even hacking each other's accounts. They've had "wars", essentially. With the two boards now merged, the animosity rages on harder than it ever has. Massive, fiery arguments have ignited in the new community thread and burned through the very skins of the two communities' peoples. All manner of troll threads have been made by both communities for the sole purpose of instigating one another. Even the moderators on this board can't keep the tension down. The bitterness will rear its ugly head in any way it can, whether it's something bannable that's within the jurisdiction of moderators to handle, or non-bannable feuding that still greatly scalds the skin. These two communities have a lot of bad blood that can't be cleaned up instantaneously. Their issues go deeply into their hearts. They need a lot of space and a lot of time to be able to set aside their differences. Forcing them together is, and has been, a recipe for disaster.

The Super Smash Bros. community has felt violated and alienated for having their history and their home be swept away as though it were trash. They need a new board to call home again, and to rebuild all they've lost. Both communities need their space so they can cool their heads and make peace. And I think many would agree with me that it's just plain aggravating to have to see dozens of threads about tier listings and Fire Emblem characters on a board that's supposed to be about Mario.

I don't know if we're still supposed to make petitions for board requests, but if so, then I most eagerly sign my name on the list:

1. axemblue4

The Mario Bros. Board is a board in chaos and anarchy. You're the only hope for these two video game franchises and two board communities. Their fate is in your hands. Please create a Super Smash Bros. Board.

The Mario Bros. Board is a sunshine and smiles machine that loves to talk about great Mario games. It's insipid positivity is adversely interfering with the SSB Board's hate production process, degrading the creativity of our needlessly harsh criticism, and our puppy killing rates have been lower than ever. This cannot continue.

Two separate boards with completely different topics and communities should not be merged when both are active. There's a reason a lot of people complained about the idea of a Comics and Anime board merge, and the idea was dropped. Now for this we had no alert that these boards would be merged. They were merged without any warning and the merge makes as much sense as the proposed/rejected Anime/Comics merge. The two boards should be separated and the least that could be done is just create a new SSB board.

The Mario Bros. Board is a sunshine and smiles machine that loves to talk about great Mario games. It's insipid positivity is adversely interfering with the SSB Board's hate production process, degrading the creativity of our needlessly harsh criticism, and our puppy killing rates have been lower than ever. This cannot continue.

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The Mario Bros. Board is nothing but lies. Its most popular posters use propaganda to brainwash the rest of the community into thinking that they are a holy government and that we Smash Boarders are evil. They are a bunch of communists. I was living the high life on the Super Smash Bros. Board, an empire of substantive and irenic discussion. Then, the Mario Boarders came. They sent their junior mods into our land to invade. They took what we had from us and replaced it with abominable polls. We had to fight back with whatever means we could. All of my friends have since been permabanned for hacking accounts for the defense and preservation of our kingdom. We are not perfect men, but we have done the best with the lives we have been given. If I personally met any of those Mario Boarders in real life, I would punch them in their noggins myself.

The Mario Bros. Board is nothing but lies. Its most popular posters use propaganda to brainwash the rest of the community into thinking that they are a holy government and that we Smash Boarders are evil. They are a bunch of communists. I was living the high life on the Super Smash Bros. Board, an empire of substantive and irenic discussion. Then, the Mario Boarders came. They sent their junior mods into our land to invade. They took what we had from us and replaced it with abominable polls. We had to fight back with whatever means we could. All of my friends have since been permabanned for hacking accounts for the defense and preservation of our kingdom. We are not perfect men, but we have done the best with the lives we have been given. If I personally met any of those Mario Boarders in real life, I would punch them in their noggins myself.

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Pay this peon no sympathy. He'll be getting none from me.

The ancient SSB boardians like Axem who strived only for foolish dreams of peace and understanding were WEAK. Conflict is what drives the world, and their clinging to childish dreams is why they fell pathetically to the Mario Board's invasion. Had they followed my guidelines to use hate and bitching as our power sources, as well as more kitten souls, the SSB board would be the proud reigning kingdom today just as we should have been then. They all deemed my methods unethical and insane, and look where it has gotten them.

Now the Mario Board has grown fat and overfed with confidence, and we are forced to submit to their thread-mongering trials. With this new SSB board, we TRUE SSB boardians will once again have a place for which to start anew, and harness the powers of hate, darkness, and needless bitching about the gameplay to create a nation of UNPARALLELED POWER.

Your game is set, Mario Board. HEIL MELEE

Also, are we allowed to summon users to sign? We should just go through the last SSB and Mario MUs and @everyone to come sign.

Moving all of the relevant threads isn't from the merged board to the new one isn't going to happen; but if anything, please move the Smash Bros. Community Chat to the new board should this come to fruition.

Both communities have always been vastly different from each other and still deserve their own board. I was perfectly fine with merging the Mario boards, but this merge is something I have voiced against since the beginning.

Yes sign me up. I've said this before in the Mario CT, but every old board was converted including worthless dead ones like Mario Basket 3on3. Mario Bros and Smash Bros are 2 of the biggest Nintendo franchises and deserve their own boards.

Hey folks, m00m00m00 here. I'm an original SSB boarder from the 64 days, and SSB was one of the top 5 game boards around back then. There's a SSB 3DS and Wii U game both on the horizon, and it'd be cool if it was brought back. It died in activity last time because the moderation there was really strict about locking anything offtopic, which killed any sense of community, and many of us original vets didn't return. Users were having to go to great lengths by putting stuff like "whats your favorite character" in their community-related threads to keep it from getting locked.

So my recommendations are as follows:

-Bring back the SSB Board.
-Let people make threads about whatever they want to foster a healthy community (like the old board had fanfics, contests, and stuff like that before the offtopic threads started getting locked).
-Also instead of an individual looking for game sticky, let users make individual threads. It'll make the board seem much more lively and the sticky really wasn't working out that out well since it didn't alert people and nobody was taking people up on their offers. Moreorless, we don't need much thread consolidation, but a CT thread will still be cool.
-One other moderation note, if anyones bashing Brawl, feel free to moderate them. There was too much negativity on the boards and that was also driving people away. Game bashing shouldn't be allowed. I think it'll work out nicely with the report post feature. I'll help keep an eye out for this particular one.

Hey folks, m00m00m00 here. I'm an original SSB boarder from the 64 days, and SSB was one of the top 5 game boards around back then. There's a SSB 3DS and Wii U game both on the horizon, and it'd be cool if it was brought back. It died in activity last time because the moderation there was really strict about locking anything offtopic, which killed any sense of community, and many of us original vets didn't return. Users were having to go to great lengths by putting stuff like "whats your favorite character" in their community-related threads to keep it from getting locked.

So my recommendations are as follows:

-Bring back the SSB Board.
-Let people make threads about whatever they want to foster a healthy community (like the old board had fanfics, contests, and stuff like that before the offtopic threads started getting locked).
-Also instead of an individual looking for game sticky, let users make individual threads. It'll make the board seem much more lively and the sticky really wasn't working out that out well since it didn't alert people and nobody was taking people up on their offers. Moreorless, we don't need much thread consolidation, but a CT thread will still be cool.
-One other moderation note, if anyones bashing Brawl, feel free to moderate them. There was too much negativity on the boards and that was also driving people away. Game bashing shouldn't be allowed. I think it'll work out nicely with the report post feature. I'll help keep an eye out for this particular one.

So moreorless, this has my full support.

-m00m00m00

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While I agree with a lot of your points, I have some things to add:

1) The 'strict moderation' bit is completely correct. Every other board is allowed to have endless fanfic and game threads but threads more relevant than those were constantly locked on the SSB board.

2) Brawl bashing should not be "moderated". It's an opinion, and it happens to be one that most people on the board share. There have been hundreds of "Brawl > Melee" and "Tourney***s suck Brawl roolz" threads on the board as well, yet you seem to take no issue with those. We're not going to 'tone down' our completely relevant opinion just because it hurts John C. Nubface's delicate feelings. Are you prepared to ban Resistance 2 bashing on the Resistance boards? Or Mario Party 8 bashing on the Mario Party boards? Come on now.

Hey folks, m00m00m00 here. I'm an original SSB boarder from the 64 days, and SSB was one of the top 5 game boards around back then. There's a SSB 3DS and Wii U game both on the horizon, and it'd be cool if it was brought back. It died in activity last time because the moderation there was really strict about locking anything offtopic, which killed any sense of community, and many of us original vets didn't return. Users were having to go to great lengths by putting stuff like "whats your favorite character" in their community-related threads to keep it from getting locked.

So my recommendations are as follows:

-Bring back the SSB Board.
-Let people make threads about whatever they want to foster a healthy community (like the old board had fanfics, contests, and stuff like that before the offtopic threads started getting locked).
-Also instead of an individual looking for game sticky, let users make individual threads. It'll make the board seem much more lively and the sticky really wasn't working out that out well since it didn't alert people and nobody was taking people up on their offers. Moreorless, we don't need much thread consolidation, but a CT thread will still be cool.
-One other moderation note, if anyones bashing Brawl, feel free to moderate them. There was too much negativity on the boards and that was also driving people away. Game bashing shouldn't be allowed. I think it'll work out nicely with the report post feature. I'll help keep an eye out for this particular one.

So moreorless, this has my full support.

-m00m00m00

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I whole heartedly agree with this entire post.

With the exception of banning bashing directed towards a game. I don't like it either, but that's too much of an infringement on free speech in my opinion. Other than that, everything you said is spot on.

I really mean the bashing part loosely. I guess I'm just saying game bashing in general is bad lol. Opinionated posts just need to be semi-constructive or the board won't be a pleasant place to post, which after awhile it wasn't. Moreorless I was just noticing a lot of people from the Vesti would come in waves to the SSB board to leave nonconstructive bashing posts about the game, which necessitated the need for heavy moderation, which led to the issue of other threads being locked, like the aforementioned OT stuff. Sort of a snowball effect. The negativity towards Brawl both directly and indirectly hurt the board, and I'm just hoping that it can be a kinder and gentler place, like the old SSB Board that I used to post on 10 years ago.

I think I might know an eloquent solution for this actually. We all know Brawl is frustrating and unpopular with a lot of Melee and 64 players. A "brawl vent" thread might just work, and it can be directed all into one nice and tidy spot. If they played online and it was laggy, or tripped a bunch, or played into a tournament dominated by Meta Knight, they can leave it all there, just as long as it follows board guidelines. In my opinion, its the most eloquent solution I can think of.

Going forward, I have a couple other ideas to promote the board beyond allowing OT threads. Bringing back a CT thread for random chat is good too. One other I got is mirroring what Gamefaqs does and encourage people to create individual 'play with me online' threads. It works out a lot better than the sticky because it gets a lot more visibility and you can customize the thread title to indicate more specific information from the getgo, most notably the time they want to play. Games requests in the sticky just wouldn't ever go down, it was more of 'hey is anyone there' and then they don't get a response, lol. Its good for the community if theyre actively playing each other, and these days, some players will stream it for the rest of the board to watch too. That's what I do with Frog.