Hey guys need some help gaining muscle. I have always been a hard gainer, I'm 6' tall and was 135lb in highschool...I was doing gaining mass program by Anthoni Ellis after HS for about a year and gained some muscle/weight...then I stopped the program

I've been back on the program for 3weeks and not noticing gains.I am at 160 and cant seem to gain past that (my top was 165 years ago). I am eating tons, 4-5meals a day ~2500-3000 calories total, plenty of proteinMy meals might not be entirely healthy, not self cooked fresh stuff.Workout breakup is 3days, split areas for 7day rest for muscle groups.

I am thinking maybe I am losing fat and actually em gaining mass...anyway, let me know what I can do to speedup mass gain that is not too intense (busy work schedule)

p.s. also I feel very fatigued after workout, granted I used to smoke for years and about 3weeks quit..guess I need to be more patient.

Hey guys need some help gaining muscle. I have always been a hard gainer, I'm 6' tall and was 135lb in highschool...I was doing gaining mass program by Anthoni Ellis after HS for about a year and gained some muscle/weight...then I stopped the program

I've been back on the program for 3weeks and not noticing gains.I am at 160 and cant seem to gain past that (my top was 165 years ago). I am eating tons, 4-5meals a day ~2500-3000 calories total, plenty of proteinMy meals might not be entirely healthy, not self cooked fresh stuff.Workout breakup is 3days, split areas for 7day rest for muscle groups.

I am thinking maybe I am losing fat and actually em gaining mass...anyway, let me know what I can do to speedup mass gain that is not too intense (busy work schedule)

p.s. also I feel very fatigued after workout, granted I used to smoke for years and about 3weeks quit..guess I need to be more patient.

x2 this is not a lot even for your weight, and you're probably actually eating less than that or at least close to the lower end. Most people who claim to be "hard gainers" are really just under-eating and over-estimating their daily calories. Your basal metabolic rate alone is probably over 1800 calories and I bet you aren't eating much over 2000 a day.

No matter what u do , nothing gonne happen if your not a teenager. U might get lucky and gain 7-8 pounds lean mass if u haven been training before, rest of the extra weight will just be fat around your waist, depend how old u r.

There is only one thing to do, if u wanne get bigger and more muscular, start using steorids. If u dont, give up your dreams about being muscular.

Maybe you should try another sport where your bodytype is more fitted. Runing, swiming, cycling...

Why u wanne get bigger? For ladies? Or any other reason. Snoop dog is like a stick, and full of self confidence haha, work on your inner stuff, its all in your head.

Try to find other things in life to get a better selfconfidence, job education, poker star...I dont know.

x2 this is not a lot even for your weight, and you're probably actually eating less than that or at least close to the lower end. Most people who claim to be "hard gainers" are really just under-eating and over-estimating their daily calories. Your basal metabolic rate alone is probably over 1800 calories and I bet you aren't eating much over 2000 a day.

it depends on how old you are as well, if your in your teens and early twenties your metabolism will be high but as you get older your metabolism will definately slow down and gaining weight won't be as hard. You really need to keep your time in the gym fairly short like 20-30 mins, focus on the big four (bench press, deadlift, squats, pull ups) try not to expend too much energy and overtrain. Eating is the most important thing, but u can afford to add a few cheat meals here and there. There isn't any shortcuts for ectomorphs, and adding muscle is hard but doable.

it depends on how old you are as well, if your in your teens and early twenties your metabolism will be high but as you get older your metabolism will definately slow down and gaining weight won't be as hard. You really need to keep your time in the gym fairly short like 20-30 mins, focus on the big four (bench press, deadlift, squats, pull ups) try not to expend too much energy and overtrain. Eating is the most important thing, but u can afford to add a few cheat meals here and there. There isn't any shortcuts for ectomorphs, and adding muscle is hard but doable.

I agree with a short...HARD...abbreviated workout. A good read is "Brawn" by Stuart Mcrobert. If you just concentrate on a short routine with max 5 exercises you should make gains. Do not think it looks easy what Joe wrote above because believe me if you work hard on these moves you will be breathing hard...instead of chins i would do Barbell rows.

well I think the term hardgainer gets thrown around too often, there aren't hardgainers or bad genetics just bad routines and diets. If you were to tell me if some average guy off the street with average bone structure/shape to compete in a mr olympia in 5 years, than I wouldn't think it is possible at all. Of course, we are talking the best of the best when it comes to that. But I believe anyone can get build an impressive physique with the correct diet and training approach, it's going to be hard and it requires consistency but the old school approach with heavy compound movements with surplus of calories should be the basis for someone that wants to put on quality weight particularly an ectomorph.

if it makes you feel any worse im eating on average around 5000 cals at the moment Always gets me comments at the office Kind of annoying sometimes being told oh wow will you eat all that, etc...

You need to eat to grow........... period...

Why are you still on here, go to the kitchen lol. Speaking of which it's time for my in the middle of the night snacks hahaha

This is the way I think of it... if it takes you more cals to grow ('hard gainer') be thankful that you can enjoy food and eat more than others Don't be a slob though. I can get really fat too if I eat sloppy.. but as far as calories are concerned if i eat clean but heavy i get quality gains.

I always tell kids at the gym .. you can't build muscle on sweat... no matter how hard you sweat.