But Mr Millar said it would be business as usual at the club in St Anne’s Road until his planning application is officially thrown out by councillors.

The latest twist comes after Southampton City Council bosses claimed that Mr Millar had “declared war” on them, by pressing ahead with the club’s opening night last Saturday.

Ward councillor Warwick Payne told the Daily Echo that he would “fight tooth and nail” to make sure the venue, which replaced the former JCT2 club in Calmore, was closed down.

Despite claiming he is now resigned to abandoning the venture, Mr Millar will go ahead with a programme of events planned throughout October and November – including a Pink Kink Fetish and Swingers Party on Saturday.

He could face another backlash from residents after revealing that his “Plan B” was to turn the building, called Milton House, into student accommodation.

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In a brief statement, Mr Millar told the Daily Echo: “I know now that I’m not going to win.

“Plan B will have to come into play because I have bills to pay on this place and I’ve got it for two years. I will be speaking to the council about the possibility of renting it out to students.”

Cllr Payne, who is also the council’s housing and leisure boss, said: “As it stands, we have a lot of outraged residents who want to see Club Kiss closed down as soon as possible. “There’s absolutely no support for this club in Woolston. I haven’t met anyone in the area who has got a good word to say about it.

“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through.

“I can assure them we are doing everything in our power to shut it down, by consulting the planning teams, licensing teams and also the police.

“It’s merely a question of going through the proper processes to make sure that can happen. It may be lengthy, but it will happen.”

Cllr Payne added that Mr Millar would be “much more likely” to gain planning permission for Milton House if he applied to turn the property into a home for multiple occupancy.

Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.

Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!

If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.

Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

I hope the residents reap what they sow.
Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.
Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!
If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.
Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.Taskforce 141

Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.

Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!

If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.

Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

I hope the residents reap what they sow.
Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.
Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!
If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.
Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.Taskforce 141

Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.

Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!

If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.

Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
I hope the residents reap what they sow.
Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.
Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!
If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.
Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.[/p][/quote]Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.Chas O'Bursledon

Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.

Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!

If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.

Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.

Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from "awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.

[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
I hope the residents reap what they sow.
Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature.
Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs!
If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate.
Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.[/p][/quote]Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.[/p][/quote]Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from "awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.Georgem

I would like to point out that Pure Pink Kink is a charity event for Breakthrough Breast Cancer.

This is because October is Breast Cancer Awareness month, and many of Club Kiss visitors have been affected directly or indirectly by this.

Please take a moment to give, instead of grumbling about something that actually has very little impact in retrospect.

http://www.justgivin
g.com/BubblegumPink

Or visit justgiving and search for Bubblegum Pink

I would like to point out that Pure Pink Kink is a charity event for Breakthrough Breast Cancer.
This is because October is Breast Cancer Awareness month, and many of Club Kiss visitors have been affected directly or indirectly by this.
Please take a moment to give, instead of grumbling about something that actually has very little impact in retrospect.
http://www.justgivin
g.com/BubblegumPink
Or visit justgiving and search for Bubblegum PinkOpenMindedMiss

I cant believe that so many people have objected to this place before even knowing if there will be any real issues. It's like some medieval witch hunt.

The student accommodation will be far worse for residents than a bunch of consenting adults who could be given a strict set of rules to adhere to and be far more accountable.

People should get together and bring up their issues in a calm discussion and be a bit more productive rather than reacting like a bunch of world invading aliens have just moved in next door.

I cant believe that so many people have objected to this place before even knowing if there will be any real issues. It's like some medieval witch hunt.
The student accommodation will be far worse for residents than a bunch of consenting adults who could be given a strict set of rules to adhere to and be far more accountable.
People should get together and bring up their issues in a calm discussion and be a bit more productive rather than reacting like a bunch of world invading aliens have just moved in next door.Stu J

Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.Chas O'Bursledon

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

Well, that takes care of blatant NIMBYism. What about the rest of my point?

[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]Well, that takes care of blatant NIMBYism. What about the rest of my point?Georgem

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...MCButler

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!Chas O'Bursledon

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.Georgem

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.Georgem

“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through."

Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same time

“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through."
Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same timeMGBR

Taskforce 141 wrote: I hope the residents reap what they sow. Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature. Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs! If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate. Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.

Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from &quot;awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.

I completely agree with your comment on this one, Georgem. Not that all of Germany's major cities (or for that matter The Netherlands') is the same as the Reeperbaum (and eg. Amsterdam) but anyway...

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: I hope the residents reap what they sow. Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature. Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs! If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate. Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.[/p][/quote]Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.[/p][/quote]Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from "awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with your comment on this one, Georgem. Not that all of Germany's major cities (or for that matter The Netherlands') is the same as the Reeperbaum (and eg. Amsterdam) but anyway...Scrutinizer

It would be more than a little hilarious if it turned out that ol' Councillor Payne, is related to a certain wonderful character by the name of Cynthia Payne! She, of a 'certain' reputation a few years ago! Ouch! ;-)

It would be more than a little hilarious if it turned out that ol' Councillor Payne, is related to a certain wonderful character by the name of Cynthia Payne! She, of a 'certain' reputation a few years ago! Ouch! ;-)Scrutinizer

Its all about that terrible SEX word any mention of the word is enough to bring a flush of embarrassment to a high proportion of our population and the sad thing is that causes more problems than being able to accept sex for what it is, the obvious reason to procreate also its an active way of displaying love for another not to mention it being great fun and a good form of exercise. We tend to hide our bodies even within the family environment but why? there is nothing to be ashamed of in the human body, and its the attitude of people that creates most of the problems. We tell our children just enough to make them interested and then wonder why they wan't to try it and in all probability they don't enjoy it but they have proved a point. That is why i admire naturist to them a body is a body and anything sexual is in the head. Ok it might not be everybody's cup of tea to go to a club and possibly have sex but there is a demand for like minded people not everybody likes golf.

Its all about that terrible SEX word any mention of the word is enough to bring a flush of embarrassment to a high proportion of our population and the sad thing is that causes more problems than being able to accept sex for what it is, the obvious reason to procreate also its an active way of displaying love for another not to mention it being great fun and a good form of exercise. We tend to hide our bodies even within the family environment but why? there is nothing to be ashamed of in the human body, and its the attitude of people that creates most of the problems. We tell our children just enough to make them interested and then wonder why they wan't to try it and in all probability they don't enjoy it but they have proved a point. That is why i admire naturist to them a body is a body and anything sexual is in the head. Ok it might not be everybody's cup of tea to go to a club and possibly have sex but there is a demand for like minded people not everybody likes golf.ohec

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

Actually it's the Herbertstraße just off Davidstraße.and there are barriers at either end to stop people inadvertently straying down there but to any Stag Week-End it's it's on the 'must see' list. Prostitution is quite legal there and I believe 10 Mark Alley even survived the bombing during the war.

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]Actually it's the Herbertstraße just off Davidstraße.and there are barriers at either end to stop people inadvertently straying down there but to any Stag Week-End it's it's on the 'must see' list. Prostitution is quite legal there and I believe 10 Mark Alley even survived the bombing during the war.Torchie1

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

Actually it's the Herbertstraße just off Davidstraße.and there are barriers at either end to stop people inadvertently straying down there but to any Stag Week-End it's it's on the 'must see' list. Prostitution is quite legal there and I believe 10 Mark Alley even survived the bombing during the war.

Is it Herbertstraße? Davidstraße must be the one that runs perpendicular to the Reeperbahn, then. The entire area's riddled with sex shops and strip clubs and sex shows, though. Not the blocked off secluded area Chas would have us believe.

[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]Actually it's the Herbertstraße just off Davidstraße.and there are barriers at either end to stop people inadvertently straying down there but to any Stag Week-End it's it's on the 'must see' list. Prostitution is quite legal there and I believe 10 Mark Alley even survived the bombing during the war.[/p][/quote]Is it Herbertstraße? Davidstraße must be the one that runs perpendicular to the Reeperbahn, then. The entire area's riddled with sex shops and strip clubs and sex shows, though. Not the blocked off secluded area Chas would have us believe.Georgem

There are such prudes on here! From the outside it looks like any other building.. So what's the problem?! There may be schools nearby, but unless one of the lanes to the school cuts through this man's sex dungeon then it doesn't matter!

There are such prudes on here! From the outside it looks like any other building.. So what's the problem?! There may be schools nearby, but unless one of the lanes to the school cuts through this man's sex dungeon then it doesn't matter!Scott_OOOSH

Taskforce 141 wrote: I hope the residents reap what they sow. Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature. Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs! If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate. Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.

Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.

Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from &quot;awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.

Someone said condoms were bad for their health.....

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: I hope the residents reap what they sow. Club Kiss appears not to have harmed anyone, and it is being bashed by residents due to their outdated prudish nature. Had there been evidence that the club caused troubled then fair enough but it hasn't and probably has never needed police attendance unlike some local pubs! If it was to be converted to student property or a HMO then I bet the complaints would be more severe than had the club been left to operate under its original mandate. Shame on people for judging people by their sexual preferences.[/p][/quote]Time and a place for everything. There are schools in the area. It's residential. Woolston is not the Reeperbahn in Hamburg. Martin Millar is a naive businessman. If this bankrupts him, and it should, he only has to look in the mirror for the reasons why. I also doubt this man's ability to provide safe and secure accommodation for students that would pass the strict regulations that apply to such premises with regard to fire and other health and safety matters.[/p][/quote]Woolston isn't the Reeperbahn, and this looks nothing like a building on the Reeperbahn, where hearts and other organs are worn very much on sleeves. As for the 'schools' argument, everywhere's near a school. There are schools in Hamburg too, y'know. There are kids that walk down the Reeperbahn, and are perfectly well-adjusted. This country's attitude toward sex is prudish and ridiculous, but the real kicker is that the prudishness isn't even effective. If protecting our kids from "awful, disgusting, evil sex!" is such a great idea, explain the rampant teen pregnancy.[/p][/quote]Someone said condoms were bad for their health.....S!monOn

My guess is that there aren't parties operating during school hours so I think it's a pretty irrelevant argument.

I think this councillor is just trying to make himself look good before potential voters but I suspect that most of the complaints come from people who complain first about anything they can and ask questions later without having considered the reality of things.

I know people who live in Woolston who would either not give a **** or would think it's quite cool.

Regarding the whole schools thing...
My guess is that there aren't parties operating during school hours so I think it's a pretty irrelevant argument.
I think this councillor is just trying to make himself look good before potential voters but I suspect that most of the complaints come from people who complain first about anything they can and ask questions later without having considered the reality of things.
I know people who live in Woolston who would either not give a **** or would think it's quite cool.Stu J

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

didn't you notice the big building with the sign 'Polizei' on Davidstrasse then?

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]didn't you notice the big building with the sign 'Polizei' on Davidstrasse then?dango

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

didn't you notice the big building with the sign 'Polizei' on Davidstrasse then?

Doesn't make it 'policed'.

[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]didn't you notice the big building with the sign 'Polizei' on Davidstrasse then?[/p][/quote]Doesn't make it 'policed'.Georgem

I feel hes been very clever. By opening the hotel and getting everyones backs up this will open the way to the students. People will think this is better and allow it. In reality the noise and commotion will far out way the Kiss Hotel. Well done the ultimate double bluff.

I feel hes been very clever. By opening the hotel and getting everyones backs up this will open the way to the students. People will think this is better and allow it. In reality the noise and commotion will far out way the Kiss Hotel. Well done the ultimate double bluff.townieboy

townieboy wrote:
I feel hes been very clever. By opening the hotel and getting everyones backs up this will open the way to the students. People will think this is better and allow it. In reality the noise and commotion will far out way the Kiss Hotel. Well done the ultimate double bluff.

Classic negotiation trick.

[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote:
I feel hes been very clever. By opening the hotel and getting everyones backs up this will open the way to the students. People will think this is better and allow it. In reality the noise and commotion will far out way the Kiss Hotel. Well done the ultimate double bluff.[/p][/quote]Classic negotiation trick.Georgem

As a neighbour of the building, we've all received a letter today saying pretty much the above. He also said nothing will happen out doors (in the garden) which is a bit nicer.

I was quite indifferent to it previously, the more I think about it the more I am thinking it's not going to affect me.

I know I would prefer the hotel rather than students. (Which is the thought process I imagine he wants us to have!)

As for schools, I don't think we have any near us. Woolston/Oasis has closed and I rarely see children walking around these days and plus as someone said earlier, I reckon the lorries that are constantly mounting pavements and banging into walls pose more a risk to children.

Still don't like the idea of it, but on the balance of everything, I personally won't think it will affect me at all. Especially once the news story gets boring and fades from everyones memories.

The thing that worries me is, if he gets the permission - he can then decide go against his word, and advertise, put up signs, use the garden etc and once that happens there is no stopping it from affecting the street.

As a neighbour of the building, we've all received a letter today saying pretty much the above. He also said nothing will happen out doors (in the garden) which is a bit nicer.
I was quite indifferent to it previously, the more I think about it the more I am thinking it's not going to affect me.
I know I would prefer the hotel rather than students. (Which is the thought process I imagine he wants us to have!)
As for schools, I don't think we have any near us. Woolston/Oasis has closed and I rarely see children walking around these days and plus as someone said earlier, I reckon the lorries that are constantly mounting pavements and banging into walls pose more a risk to children.
Still don't like the idea of it, but on the balance of everything, I personally won't think it will affect me at all. Especially once the news story gets boring and fades from everyones memories.
The thing that worries me is, if he gets the permission - he can then decide go against his word, and advertise, put up signs, use the garden etc and once that happens there is no stopping it from affecting the street.Pikston

I guess if you live next door its a problem but no more than a Pub or Club opening .....I take your point on that but for me what happens behind the doors is not an issue for me.
Not to sure either why every one keeps going on about its near a school The Bridge Inn pub is near a school too !!! And all the schools are closed when this club is open unlike the pub.

[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote:
Seriously does anyone care what goes on behind close doors ...I don't.[/p][/quote]Behind yours I don't give a hoot, but behind mine then hell yeah :)[/p][/quote]I guess if you live next door its a problem but no more than a Pub or Club opening .....I take your point on that but for me what happens behind the doors is not an issue for me.
Not to sure either why every one keeps going on about its near a school The Bridge Inn pub is near a school too !!! And all the schools are closed when this club is open unlike the pub.Mr Price

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.

Yup. But not since the 80's. I went to look not to sample. I thought it was rather sad. Inadequate men having to pay to be thought great lovers. Back then it was most definitely policed and only really got going after 10pm. If things have changed then that is awful for the rest of the decent folk of Hamburg.

[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.[/p][/quote]Yup. But not since the 80's. I went to look not to sample. I thought it was rather sad. Inadequate men having to pay to be thought great lovers. Back then it was most definitely policed and only really got going after 10pm. If things have changed then that is awful for the rest of the decent folk of Hamburg.Chas O'Bursledon

Chas O'Bursledon wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.

There are schools on and around Derby road...

But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own!

Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.

In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.

Yup. But not since the 80's. I went to look not to sample. I thought it was rather sad. Inadequate men having to pay to be thought great lovers. Back then it was most definitely policed and only really got going after 10pm. If things have changed then that is awful for the rest of the decent folk of Hamburg.

Most of the 'Bahn is sex shops, bars and strip clubs. Prostitution is tucked away down one street.

I doubt the punters care whether they're thought of as great lovers or not, though!

[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MCButler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chas O'Bursledon[/bold] wrote:
Well, George, the Reeperbhan is properly policed and is contained. There are no schools within the red light district. If he had a licence, proper regulatory structures, was in Darby Road and was properly policed I wouldn't object. It's the location and policing of the sex trade that is the problem.[/p][/quote]There are schools on and around Derby road...[/p][/quote]But the area is not blocked off, licensed and policed and regulated. If Darby Road is not the right place then suggest somewhere else. It certainly isn't Woolston. As you will appreciate, if people are so inclined, I don't object. We are negotiating location not a moral judgement. Frankly these activities aren't for me but each to their own![/p][/quote]Have you ever been to the Reeperbahn? Other than the side street of Davidstraße, where prostitutes openly ply their trade in shop windows, It certainly isn't blocked off, or particularly policed.[/p][/quote]In fact, even Davidstraße isn't blocked off. It's just got high fences at either end you have to walk through in order to access it.[/p][/quote]Yup. But not since the 80's. I went to look not to sample. I thought it was rather sad. Inadequate men having to pay to be thought great lovers. Back then it was most definitely policed and only really got going after 10pm. If things have changed then that is awful for the rest of the decent folk of Hamburg.[/p][/quote]Most of the 'Bahn is sex shops, bars and strip clubs. Prostitution is tucked away down one street.
I doubt the punters care whether they're thought of as great lovers or not, though!Georgem

MGBR wrote:
“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through.&quot;

Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same time

If the tolls were increased then it'd be a nice clean run, rather than having to sit in queues of traffic with the low earners. It should be £5 per car.

[quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote:
“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through."
Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same time[/p][/quote]If the tolls were increased then it'd be a nice clean run, rather than having to sit in queues of traffic with the low earners. It should be £5 per car.chunky_lover

MGBR wrote:
“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through.&quot;

Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same time

If the tolls were increased then it'd be a nice clean run, rather than having to sit in queues of traffic with the low earners. It should be £5 per car.

[quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote:
“They all want it gone, and when you get that sort of mandate it’s my job as a councillor to make sure the will of the residents wins through."
Perhaps we can get rid of the ridiculous toll charges for the bridge at the same time[/p][/quote]If the tolls were increased then it'd be a nice clean run, rather than having to sit in queues of traffic with the low earners. It should be £5 per car.chunky_lover

My guess is that there aren't parties operating during school hours so I think it's a pretty irrelevant argument.

I think this councillor is just trying to make himself look good before potential voters but I suspect that most of the complaints come from people who complain first about anything they can and ask questions later without having considered the reality of things.

I know people who live in Woolston who would either not give a **** or would think it's quite cool.

Guessed wrong.....
If you checkout the clubs website they do hold daytime partys starting at 1pm. If you are at a loose end on Tuesday theres a transvestite party, or on Wednesday theres a female domination party, that should whip up a bit of business.......

[quote][p][bold]Stu J[/bold] wrote:
Regarding the whole schools thing...
My guess is that there aren't parties operating during school hours so I think it's a pretty irrelevant argument.
I think this councillor is just trying to make himself look good before potential voters but I suspect that most of the complaints come from people who complain first about anything they can and ask questions later without having considered the reality of things.
I know people who live in Woolston who would either not give a **** or would think it's quite cool.[/p][/quote]Guessed wrong.....
If you checkout the clubs website they do hold daytime partys starting at 1pm. If you are at a loose end on Tuesday theres a transvestite party, or on Wednesday theres a female domination party, that should whip up a bit of business.......windyboy

Pikston wrote:
As a neighbour of the building, we've all received a letter today saying pretty much the above. He also said nothing will happen out doors (in the garden) which is a bit nicer.

I was quite indifferent to it previously, the more I think about it the more I am thinking it's not going to affect me.

I know I would prefer the hotel rather than students. (Which is the thought process I imagine he wants us to have!)

As for schools, I don't think we have any near us. Woolston/Oasis has closed and I rarely see children walking around these days and plus as someone said earlier, I reckon the lorries that are constantly mounting pavements and banging into walls pose more a risk to children.

Still don't like the idea of it, but on the balance of everything, I personally won't think it will affect me at all. Especially once the news story gets boring and fades from everyones memories.

The thing that worries me is, if he gets the permission - he can then decide go against his word, and advertise, put up signs, use the garden etc and once that happens there is no stopping it from affecting the street.

having met him in the past I would not put it past him to go back on his word. I have close friends who used to frequent his last establishment and personally know some of the girls who. work for him. I have nothing against people who swing or attend such clubs, but the problem is that his club IS a brothel..parties that men have to pay £50 and the "greedy girls" do not know the meaning of the word no? So paying money for garenteed sex...that is not swinging...and if he continued the same practice from his last place where the girls did use the club in the day for punters,his harem of escorts...would not be surprised if he was looking to house a lot of young female students....who never seem to actually leave to go to uni,just seem to have a lot of at home male tutors coming and going several times a day.....lol

[quote][p][bold]Pikston[/bold] wrote:
As a neighbour of the building, we've all received a letter today saying pretty much the above. He also said nothing will happen out doors (in the garden) which is a bit nicer.
I was quite indifferent to it previously, the more I think about it the more I am thinking it's not going to affect me.
I know I would prefer the hotel rather than students. (Which is the thought process I imagine he wants us to have!)
As for schools, I don't think we have any near us. Woolston/Oasis has closed and I rarely see children walking around these days and plus as someone said earlier, I reckon the lorries that are constantly mounting pavements and banging into walls pose more a risk to children.
Still don't like the idea of it, but on the balance of everything, I personally won't think it will affect me at all. Especially once the news story gets boring and fades from everyones memories.
The thing that worries me is, if he gets the permission - he can then decide go against his word, and advertise, put up signs, use the garden etc and once that happens there is no stopping it from affecting the street.[/p][/quote]having met him in the past I would not put it past him to go back on his word. I have close friends who used to frequent his last establishment and personally know some of the girls who. work for him. I have nothing against people who swing or attend such clubs, but the problem is that his club IS a brothel..parties that men have to pay £50 and the "greedy girls" do not know the meaning of the word no? So paying money for garenteed sex...that is not swinging...and if he continued the same practice from his last place where the girls did use the club in the day for punters,his harem of escorts...would not be surprised if he was looking to house a lot of young female students....who never seem to actually leave to go to uni,just seem to have a lot of at home male tutors coming and going several times a day.....lolluckyone1

Can a guy not just make a living without the hassles..,its not harming anyone and bringing new buisness into woolston is great..atleast its not another polish food shop..takeaway or charity shop that is swamping our village.
The council saying they are gonna clamp down as quick as possible...maybe they should do the same thing to the guy that owns the 2nd hand shop in woolston who has all that junk outside overnight which is a obviously a fire hazzard and yet he is still allowed to get away with it..

Can a guy not just make a living without the hassles..,its not harming anyone and bringing new buisness into woolston is great..atleast its not another polish food shop..takeaway or charity shop that is swamping our village.
The council saying they are gonna clamp down as quick as possible...maybe they should do the same thing to the guy that owns the 2nd hand shop in woolston who has all that junk outside overnight which is a obviously a fire hazzard and yet he is still allowed to get away with it..oldmac

I have visited the old club (jct2) on many occasions with my partner. The club was in a non residential area and could not be seen from the road. There was never any loud noises or trouble of any kind. Everyone who attended the parties were always respectful and Mr Miller and his team were always welcoming.
I am unsure if the club was used as a 'brothel' during the day or not as I only ever visited it during the evenings. I feel that the council have done the wrong thing by forcing Mr Miller to move his club from a very quiet area into a residential area. However I do feel that the new club kiss will not cause anyone any concern other than possibly parking issues.
From a 'swingers' point of view (very happy with my long term partner), these sort of venues SHOULD be allowed to operate. If I decided to throw a party in my house and invited lots of my friends (who were all swingers) then I would be quite within my rights to do so. I would cause parking problems, I would have my music loud and there would undoubtedly be lots of sex going on!

I have visited the old club (jct2) on many occasions with my partner. The club was in a non residential area and could not be seen from the road. There was never any loud noises or trouble of any kind. Everyone who attended the parties were always respectful and Mr Miller and his team were always welcoming.
I am unsure if the club was used as a 'brothel' during the day or not as I only ever visited it during the evenings. I feel that the council have done the wrong thing by forcing Mr Miller to move his club from a very quiet area into a residential area. However I do feel that the new club kiss will not cause anyone any concern other than possibly parking issues.
From a 'swingers' point of view (very happy with my long term partner), these sort of venues SHOULD be allowed to operate. If I decided to throw a party in my house and invited lots of my friends (who were all swingers) then I would be quite within my rights to do so. I would cause parking problems, I would have my music loud and there would undoubtedly be lots of sex going on!Mrs Average