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Sunday, March 27, 2011

Guest Article: “Andhra State Is Born in a Womb of Violence”

[Original Author: Dileep Konatham. Edited and modified by Sujai with author’s permission. The much awaited and well-researched article from Dileep Konatham in its original form is now available at Mission Telangana.]

Andhra State and Andhra Pradesh are two different states though the confusion is deliberately introduced by the Seemandhra history writers. The struggle for a separate Andhra State picked up momentum as soon as India got independent. Both Tamils and Telugus were not ready to compromise on the Madras city. Potti Sriramulu undertook fast-unto-death for Andhra State with Madras as capital, and it has nothing to do with formation of Andhra Pradesh, and yet on 1st November of each year, Andhra Pradesh State government carries out full-page advertisements on that day commemorating Potti Sriramulu’s contributions. After Potti Sriramulu’s death on the 58th day of his fast, all hell broke loose. The whole region burned for the next few days.

What Got Andhras their State? Violence or Sacrifice

History books in Andhra Pradesh and elsewhere tell us that Andhra state was formed due to the ‘sacrifice’ of Potti Sriramulu. But, unprejudiced analysis of newspaper reports and published books tells us a completely different story. Here’s what Time magazine wrote about what happened after Sriramulu’s death:

A wave of hysterical emotion swept Andhra territory. Students, youths and workers, led by Communists, attacked Indian government property, cut telegraph wires, damaged railroads, burned rail cars and stoned fire engines, looted railroad restaurants, hoisted black flags of mourning over government buildings. Police, firing on rioters, killed seven and wounded forty. A 13-year-old boy attempted to halt a moving bus by standing in its path, and was run over and killed.

At week’s end Prime Minister Nehru, responding perhaps as much to the violence as to Sriramulu’s nonviolence, announced that his government had decided to establish Andhra state.

Telanganas have been conducting one of the most peaceful movements in the history of mankind and it does not get any credit, recognition or deserved attention for behaving well. Their peaceful agitations were ignored by the national media and ridiculed by Samaikhyandhra detractors. The central government imposed a delaying tactic in the form of SriKrishna Committee which turns out to be another charade to suppress the movement.

Frustrated Telanganas were not even allowed peaceful rallies anymore. When one of the recent rallies was suppressed by the state government employing paramilitary forces and preemptive arrests of nearly 100,000 people, some youth indulged in destruction of few lifeless statues on Tank Bund. That incident was highlighted by the detractors of the movement calling the people of the region ‘Talibans’ and characterizing the entire movement as ‘violent’ in nature. They were made so guilty that even Telanganas became squeamish about the agitations of these youth.

Seemandhras called it the ‘black day’ in the history of Andhra Pradesh. One legislator said there is not a single person who has not shed a tear on the episode. One Seemandhra MP said that Telanganas will now destroy temples. Telangana people were portrayed as uncultured, barbaric, unworthy of being called civilized citizens of India, and a shame to Indian democracy. This is the right time to understand how Andhras used ‘violence’ to get their state back in 1953.

‘Bloody’ history of Andhra State Formation

Here is a piece of authentic history that helps us expose the double standards and hypocrisy of Seemandhra leaders who constantly refer to Telangana statehood supporters as ‘separatists’ and calling their movement ‘violent’. If demanding a separate state amounts to ‘separatism’, then our Seemandhra brothers were the pioneers and trend-setters and they can be safely called the ‘first separatists’ of independent India because they broke Madras state to form Andhra State immediately after Independence. And if Telangana Movement can be called ‘violent’ then the agitations for Andhra State can be called a bloody massacre. If Telanganas can be called ‘Talibans’ for destroying few lifeless statues, then Seemandhras can be called ‘super Talibans’.

From “History of India” written by N Jayapalan

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So, it’s the ‘rampant hysteria’ that ‘forced’ the Congress Central Government to concede Andhra, not just the nonviolence fast-unto-death carried out by Potti Sriramulu. A foreign newspaper – Daytona Beach Morning Journal carried this news item on Dec 17th 1952. It clearly explains the arson, looting and violence that followed Potti Sriramulu’s death.

We can be sure you never heard that our Andhra brothers looted trains as a part of their statehood struggle! [Now compare this with petty statue-breaking done by Telangana protestors]. Andrew Simpson in his book “Language and national identity in Asia” writes:

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Potti Sriramulu’s death after fifty-eight days of fasting, resulted in the occurence of widespread riots which forced the centre’s hand, and in October of the following ear, India’s first linguistic state, Andhra, was formed.

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The spate of violent incidents that led to the declaration of Andhra state evoked strong reactions from political leaders of that era. Acharya J B Kriplani, Praja Socialist Leader, said

“Problems have arisen because Government was neither bold not quick. Because of the way Andhra had come about, he said, the impression was gaining that it was very difficult to make the Government move from status quo unless it was compelled, and the way it was compelled in this case was dangerous for the good of the country. It was said the Andhra Bill would not have come out but for the hungerstrike of an individual and the violence that followed it. Yielding to this kind of pressure and violence was the worst thing for a Government to do because it would encourage violence in future.

[From The Indian Express – Aug 18, 1953]

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Another leader from the Socialist Party, KB Menon, said these historic words, which describes the agitations of Andhras.

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“Andhra State was born in the womb of violence because the Central Government had not the imagination to grant it in time.”

[From - The Indian Express – March 14, 1953]

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Being the authors of such a violent history, Seemandhras referring to the Telangana agitation as ‘separatist’ and ‘violent’ is nothing but pot calling the kettle black. Seemandhra people led one of the first and most violent statehood struggles in Independent India. Yet, they discredit and malign the most peaceful Telangana movement without an iota of shame.

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As is evident from the one year of Telangana agitations involving nearly 35 million people, it was a peaceful and nonviolent movement though it was beset by frustrations, betrayals, and heavy repression. Telanganas have not embraced violence of any kind though they have participated in thousands of events (barring few small incidents). Telanganas do not prescribe violence nor endorse it. But violent Andhras calling Telanganas violent is sheer hypocrisy. It needs to be countered on an urgent basis.

121 comments:

So far we have seen only "Token" protests organized by JAC , like the one day Day Train Roko, which may get good media coverage for that day but is totally Ineffective in "pressuring" the govt, Following the Gujjars lead Jats have paralyzed the Train Traffic in the North to Such an extent that many Industries are facing Severe Shortage of raw material and may be forced to shutdown their operations.

The Commies who lead "Andhras" protest have a Real Talent for Organizing Violent agitations whereas Our TRS has a habit of Postponing Protest dates for Silly reasons.

Our National Media is hopeless(even BBC reported that 1 lakh TG people were arrested that Day but they Did not) and Our Local Telugu Media is a mouthpiece for Seemandhra Interests. So the Chances of peaceful Protests getting "attention" are Slim.

Even if 1million people really took part "peacefully" in that rally on March 10th it Couldnt have got Much attention as Breaking those statues got.

The Congress govt in the Center is Thick Skinned as Ever and the Only way forward I see is to Jolt the Central govt with a Repeat of the Violent 69 agitation But on a Much Grander "Too Big to Fail" scale this time and it could only be done if the Students and other Groups break away from JAC and Take matters in to their own Hands.

2. Also predictions of Acharya Kripalani and other came true. There was lot violence for similar demands before and after 1st SRC.

Having said that, let us compare with present Telangana movement

1. In Andhra movement there were no threats of attacks before Potti Sriramulu died. Here at least one group started the movement with threats.

2. Any kind of violence is NOT ACCEPTABLE in movement. But in Andhra movement violence started in reaction to a DEATH and lasted for few days. Yes, vested elements misused the situation. In Dec 2009, no DEATH occurred and but people took up violence that DEATH may not happen.

3. Nehru could have waited for 2 or 3 weeks more and movement could have diffused. As it happened in 1969 and 1972 movements AP. Further he even failed to contain the violence in other parts of India that was a direct consequence of his decision. Maybe present government at Center trying to prevent History repeating.

Breaking the skulls, bones and Shooting telangana women and Journalists failed to Satisfy the Bloodthirst of Our Andhra Brothers.Now they started a Assassination Campaign Hiring the same goons who killed Belli Lalitha leader of Telangana Kala Samithi to Now Brutally Kill Sambhashivudu who was Actively campaigning for Telangana, The woman lalitha was Cut in to 17 pieces and dumped in to various wells ,Sambhashivudu was Stabbed 30 times, the Brutality of this Andhra Regime is Shocking even By Taliban standards, But Andhras Must Remember Before Complaining about Violence in the days to Come. It is you who Drew FIRST BLOOD and you are gonna pay.

While the article was intended to show the hypocrisy of the Seemandhra leaders and activists who call Telanganas 'Taliban' and portray them as uncivilized, you chose to compare the movements.

This is the eternal problem we face with Seemandhra detractors.

Of course no two movements are similar. Of course no government will condone violence. Having said that if Seemandhras would like to portray Telanganas as 'villains' taking the higher moral ground, it was important for us Telanganas to showcase how violent and talibanized the Andhra State movement was, and let the people know that it was not a peaceful fast-unto-death alone that achieved them their statehood, but it involved arson, looting of a train, killing, mayhem, etc.

<<<<<Unfortunately both state and central governments are waiting for the first step (or first attack?) from students to crush it once again like in 1969.

Every Arab Dictator now is having Sleepless Nights,Arab countries are technically democracies and Telangana is also technically under a Democracy, we were Ruled by the Same Andhras for the past 50 years as they were ruled by the same "presidents" for Decades.Arab Despots have Billions of dollars worth of Latest Military Hardware but all that is Worthless when your own Soldiers refuse to shoot, Compared to That our AP govt has "thokka" and IF we Rise United, No Force on the earth can Crush US.

Hmm... Its always true. Violence, intimidation and threats work better with the Indian government than anything else. Politicans sit up and take notice only when there is a violent outburst, gone are the days when fasting and non violence will get you the govt's attention. No one cared for the deprivation suffered by people in the tribal and forest areas until they grouped together and formed a rag tag army under the naxalites. Petitions and dharnas are usually much limited in scope and capacity.

Semmandhra Politicians including one Minister are slugging it Out, having Full blown fist fights inside the Assembly hall.

But now this wont be called a "Black day" and you wont have concerned Citizens and "intellectuals" expressing their Outrage on the "Death of Democracy" and No one will Give hours of Rambling speeches on live TV how "Telugu Paruvu" is thrown in to Flames.

But when a "seemandhra" politician is touched by the "uncivilized" hand of a Telangana person, that too Outside the Assembly hall it drives the Media in to a Tizzy, they talk about they talk about the Telangana dogs Sacrileging the Sacred temple of "democracy".

They release selected Media Clippings of Assembly to show the "unruly" behavior of Telangana MLA's( they Indirectly mean to say that Telangana people are Unfit even to sit in assembly). But now they wont Release any Footage of Andhra MLA's Choking eachothers throats because the Deputy Speaker suddenly remembers that it would damage the "Sabha Gavuravam".

I sometimes wonder whether Andhra Mothers feed their kids on Breast Milk or on Hypocrisy.

In fact no two things in world are same. Otherwise there will be only one and not two. :-)

It is particularly you, Sujai, understand and explain things with analogies.

Your demand is unique and your movement need not be explained by comparing it with Andhra movement or Indian freedom movement.It is absolute and you can carry the movement with only your demand as focus.By comparing with other movements and people you are admitting compromises in your movement.

BTW, to my knowledge Telugu/Andhra Jaati never claimed to be peaceful community. History written by very people was ridden with conflicts across many lines, caste, sections, regions ....Nayaka/Velama vs Reddy raajulu, Palnaadu conflict - a upper caste reaction to 'chaapakudu' promoted by Brahamanidu, Rayala dynasty full of conspiracies, Bobbili - a defiance told as a story of valor.... are a few to list

In modern history - Violence in Telangana in 1956 and 1969. Violence in SA in 1972.Vandalism in AP on Rajiv's assassination. Vandalism in Krishna dst on Ranga's killing.Of course umpteen 'old city mata kallolaau'.

If Seemandhra leaders called OU students violence mongers you and every Telanganite have legitimate right to oppose it and even prove you are not by carrying your movement peacefully.

How many SA leaders really claimed Andhra state formed purely by sacrifice and non-violent? Still you can call them same 'ancestors of Talibans' or 'uncivilized goondas of Madras state'.

But you cannot have both eat your pie and keep it too.Is your movement non-violent? Good. You are proving those leaders wrong automatically.

But why do you want to justify violence in your movement bcoz Andhra was born out of violence?

If Seemandhra leaders called OU students violence mongers you and every Telanganite have legitimate right to oppose it and even prove you are not by carrying your movement peacefully.

I have no intention of doing that. Instead, I am only proving that no people’s movement is every passive the way Seemandhra expect us to conduct ourselves. I believe that Telangana Movement is a peaceful movement and even the incidents that happen which have been discredited, I consider them nonviolent.

But why do you want to justify violence in your movement bcoz Andhra was born out of violence?

We are NOT justifying violent actions of anyone. We are only showcasing the hypocrisy of Seemandhra leaders who come out ‘selectively’ to discredit the actions of Telanganas but ‘hide’ the violent actions of Seemandhras. Case in point is the recent assembly incident. When Telanganas did it, it was repeatedly shown 1000 times and was called a ‘black day’ in Indian democracy.

Well well well..... now we will see how SA will react about this attack on MLAs in Assembly hall itself. They acted like the sky was fallen on them when there was an attack on JP outside of Assembly hall. I am sure now they say this is a small incident, nothing to worry. hehehe...

The thing about "violence" is that it WORKS. The Organizers of the Protests in Tahrir square went all Out to see that Protests remain Non-violent, But when the Police and Thugs chose to attack the Peaceful protesters with Molotovs and firing Live rounds, the Protesters had two Options either to pack up and leave or to Stand their Ground(even if it meant to abandoning their Non-violence principle) and they Chose to Confront the Police and thugs Raining them with Stones, this should not be Considered violence this Should be Considered Self-defense. Same is applicable in Telangana when OU students indulge in Stone Throwing it shouldnt be seen as Violence. While physically attacking Random Innocent Andhras would be Abhorable , Attacking Andhra politician-thugs and their "Big business" in Hyderabad would be totally legitimate and the right thing to Do, If we dont then we are Just displaying our own "Impotency" and we Should stop Complaining about exploitation by Andhras because we accepted to be their Slaves.

Quote:"at the same time common man of seemandhra region also has his own apprehensions that he might have to face problems in hyd, wich right now has the maximum employment oppurtunities."

Where was this wisdom when they(SA people) are voting for pro-telangana parties in previous assembly elections? Dont we(TG people) deserve an apology from your people for betraying us by not standing on the word? What actions have your people/leaders took to convince TG people to stay united other than calling us with damaging words which will not help for your United cause at all?

"so, what you say is, agitating for a separate state is a wrong path."

absolutely right path.nothing wrong in it.butif i remember correctly, during last yr by-elections, kodandaram asked people to throw stones on congress and tdp candidates.inka meere cheppandi, is it right for a professor to say such words?

and regarding vizag, wat i meant was that, succesive governments should have developed other cities both in T and SA region on par with hyd after 1956,like laying of mmts and metro rail lines, building of flyovers and 4 lane roads, airports, providing underground drainage facilities,etc.development of tier 2 cities is happening on a rapid pace all over India except in our state.i used the vizag as an example of tier 2 city.it cpould have been warangal or nizamabad as well.

wat do u call mr.kcr abusing seemandhraites day in and out and yet, collectiong rowday maools from them and tel;ecasting seemandhraites business advertisements in his channel?mee uddesam lo idhi hipocracy kaada?

and green star, regarding elections, the pro telangana parties, which u talked about trs+tdp+cpi+bjp+prp together got 57 seats in telangan while congress along with its cat on wall stand of ysr got 50 seats.mari deeniki meeru cheppede samadhanam enti?i dont wanna take any stand now on samaikya andhra or telangana but my intention here is to emphasise that an average seemandhraite is as/good or bad as an average telanganaite.

Instead, I am only proving that no people’s movement is every passive the way Seemandhra ....Why should you prove your methods right, or not, to SA leaders?You should prove it, If you think necessary, to thrid party. Do not ask me who is third party? I do not have answer.Will third party accept your methods as right, if you counter arguments of SA leaders?

We are only showcasing the hypocrisy of Seemandhra leaders ...It is true that SA leaders calling T movement violent etc.But which SA leader claimed that separate Andhra movement was NON-VIOLENT?That you connect these two and call it hypocrisy?

Quote:"if i remember correctly, during last yr by-elections, kodandaram asked people to throw stones on congress and tdp candidates.inka meere cheppandi, is it right for a professor to say such words?"

Absolutely right, if my servant is not working to satisfy his pre-defined duties, I will fire him when ever I wanted.

When congress and tdp won our votes by saying they support for Telangana, and not working accordingly how do you expect us to react? Do you want us to wait till next elections comes? May be you do in your areas, but in our area, we kick them out if they come to our villages for votes.

Any way, I coulnt stop laughing at you... you hate Kondaram for that small statement? We know you people just hate Kodandaram for leading our movement, thats only the reason. When I asked you the reason, you and your people can not admit that so have to find something which supports your statements. Its funny to see you hate kondaram because he called people to throw stones on there leaders, but you love lagadapati who called Osmania studends as Talibans?

There should be reason to do such things, the biggest city Delhi recently got Metro lines, still no underground drainage in HYD, govt can build airports but who runs the flights to that airport(Gannavaram?).

Your ideas are good, but govt can not just dump the money in one city hoping it will develop, dont forget that such projects create huge burden on tax payers, such projects can be proposed only when it is really needed.

I am really confused, tell me what should have been done to Vizag/Vijayawada to develop?

Quote:"wat do u call mr.kcr abusing seemandhraites day in and out and yet, "

Agreed.

Quote:"collectiong rowday maools from them and "

Any proofs? I can thousands of statements like this,,, ofcourse I cant show any proofs.

Quote:"tel;ecasting seemandhraites business advertisements in his channel?"

I really wonder why seemandhraites support KCRs business which targets seemandhraites and there business? dont you think it is like you sponsoring a terrorist who bombs your butt tomorrow?

This is really a great logic which is beyond today's intellectual level. You pay the money to some one so that your ass kicked by that some one?

Quote:"and green star, regarding elections, the pro telangana parties, which u talked about trs+tdp+cpi+bjp+prp together got 57 seats in telangan while congress along with its cat on wall stand of ysr got 50 seats."

Did ever congress said they were anti telangana? So, why do you expect TG people not to vote for Congress? The very same reason the parties who are like "cat on wall stand" lost miserably in last by-elections. I think they never lost that many deposits even when they contested statewide.

Well.... that will not resolve the issue. Atleast we kicked many of our leaders butts so far. I dont find a single incident like this in SA side? ... wait a minute, there people can not question there leaders because the leaders may question back to people saying what were you doing when they go into public with that manefesto and why did you people voted there parties seeing that manifesto? There is no answer for that from SA people ....యథా రాజ తథ ప్రజా అన్నారు కదా !

Telangana joint action committee chairman Prof M Kodandaram said the deputy speaker’s denial of permission to the channels not to telecast the attack by agriculture minister Y S Vivekananda Reddy on the Telugu Desam Party members showed that it was a Seemandhra assembly, which was out and out against the Telangana people.

“When the deputy speaker can deliberately and selectively leak the video footage of the Telangana Rashtra Samithi members disrupting Governor E S L Narasimhan’s speech to project the Telangana issue in a bad light, why didn’t he do the same in the case of Vivekananda Reddy’s attack and his filthy language?” Kodandaram asked.

TRS legislator K T Rama Rao demanded that the deputy speaker should immediately disclose the footage of the Monday’s incidents to the media. “Otherwise, his anti-Telangana stand will be clearly exposed,” he said.

The New Phase of Telangana agitation should be Against Polavaram project, we should not allow One inch of Telangana land to be submerged for The Greed of Andhras and their contractors. If they dont allow us to Seperate we should be the THORN in their Side. We should make Life Difficult for these A- holes.

here is what i read from Jai Andhra Agitation reported in Time Magazine on February 03, 1973.

"Andhras separatism has brought sporadic but growing violence and a total breakdown in local authority. The city of Vijayawada has been virtually closed down by a general strike since November. Electric power has been intermittently shut off. Schools and colleges are shuttered, hospitals are minimally staffed and judges have even refused to hold court. Scores of demonstrators have been killed and many more injured in clashes between police and protesters."

political conspiracy and vested interests behind Jai Andhra movement were well recorded by then analysts. There is not much to hide. But no 'Jai Andhra' movement leader including Vasanth Nageswara Rao, Chalasani, Harirama Jogaiah ever claimed that movement is NON-VIOLENT. Vijayawada is notorious for caste conflicts and rowdism.But to my knowledge there are no Sujais, Vijays etc who tried to justify the violence as some CAUSE.

If all goes as per plan 80 TMC will be diverted from Godavari to Krishna. consequently 80 TMC will be utilized for projects before Nagarjunasagar. out of 80, 55 tmc has been allotted to AP. most of this 55 tmc will be used in nalgonda and mbnr districts.

The 8th chapter in the Shri Krishna Committee report -- which looked into the demand for the creation of Telangana state by bifurcating Andhra Pradesh -- apparently includes some controversial suggestions that were never made public.

According to sources, the 8th chapter advises the state government to 'manage' the media to curb the movement and warns that if it approves the formation of Telangana, the state could become a bastion for right-wing forces, jihadi elements and Maoists.

Supporters of Telangana are obviously upset with these suggestions and have demanded the arrest of Justice Srikrishna.

The 8th chapter states that Telangana may become a hub for militant Hindutva forces, jihadi elements and the Naxal movement. The report goes on to warn that the All India Majlis-e Ittihad al-Muslimin may emerge as a strong party in Telangana and the new state may witness communal clashes.

The chapter even suggests that the government should 'manage' the print and electronic media to curb the movement by giving lucrative advertisements to newspapers etc. The Srikrishna report even advises the government to deploy additional forces to curb the movement.

Furious pro-Telangana activists want to know why the government chose not to make the 8th chapter public. The contents of the report were revealed when the high court, acting on a petition, ordered the government to make the report public.(contd.)

To add to the government's woes, the court had observed that the 8th chapter did indicate some amount of bias.

The government has chosen to remain silent over the controversial chapter, but has stated its intent to appeal against the high court's order.

Lateef Mohammad Khan, who heads the Muslim Forum for Telangana, says that the outfit has faced pressure from the government not to make the report public.

"We wanted to address the media about this issue but we received a call from the police asking us not to do so. We were told that there is no need to discuss this issue in public," he said.

Dr Sangam Prithviraj, who heads the students' movement for Telangana, stated that the Srikrishna report is a biased one.

"Chapter 8 has only vindicated my stand. If the Congress had nothing to hide, then why did it intentionally prevent a certain portion of the report from being made public," he queried.

He added, "The report says that Telangana would become a Maoist den if a separate state is created. I want to ask them one question. Chandrababu Naidu was attacked in the Andhra region by Naxalites. M Subbirami Reddy was shot in the Andhra region by Naxalites. What do they have to say about this? All this is just nonsense to curb the movement at the behest of the people of Rayalaseema-Andhra regions. They want to brand all the people of Telangana as Naxalites and underworld elements."

"They should make this a public document if they have the guts. Frankly speaking, we were against the committee since day one since we were expecting a report to this effect. Today we want Justice Srikrishna to be put behind bars," said Dr Prithviraj.

Khan added that the situation will become murkier in the days to come. He points out that Telangana Rashtra Samiti leader Samba Shivudu was recently murdered.

"He was a strong leader who had command over the movement. Today, we suspect that the government could have gotten him killed. The suggestions in the report have already started taking effect," Khan said.

Dr Sangam Prithviraj, who heads the students' movement for Telangana, stated that the Srikrishna report is a biased one.

"Chapter 8 has only vindicated my stand. If the Congress had nothing to hide, then why did it intentionally prevent a certain portion of the report from being made public," he queried.

He added, "The report says that Telangana would become a Maoist den if a separate state is created. I want to ask them one question. Chandrababu Naidu was attacked in the Andhra region by Naxalites. M Subbirami Reddy was shot in the Andhra region by Naxalites. What do they have to say about this? All this is just nonsense to curb the movement at the behest of the people of Rayalaseema-Andhra regions. They want to brand all the people of Telangana as Naxalites and underworld elements."

"They should make this a public document if they have the guts. Frankly speaking, we were against the committee since day one since we were expecting a report to this effect. Today we want Justice Srikrishna to be put behind bars," said Dr Prithviraj.

no doubt linking potti sriramulu to united ap is a historical coverup by my region leaders.but then, at the same time, the following are also canards spread by trs and other telangana vaadis:

1.telangana was once a seperate staefact : it was part of hyderabad state wich consisted of marathi and kannada speaking areas also.it is another fact that those areas are happy in their respective states INSPITE of not having capitals in their regions.

2.andhra and telangana were seperate since the beginning of mankindfact:nizam seperated them by giving away seemandhra areas as lease to britishers in the late 18th century.before that, all the 3 regions(telangana, coastal andhra and rayalaseema) were together for nearly 300 yrs

3.hyd was built by the sweat and blood of t region people ONLY.fact: as i mentioned in the last point, all the 3 regions were together when the golconda nawab sulthan quli kutub shahi built hyderabad.asaf jahi nizam who succedded him gave away semandhra districts as lease to britishers in return for maintaining his army.in addition, they had to pay him some money annually from the revenue generated in those areas.proofs:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagaram#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srikakulam#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayalaseema#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Godavari#Later_Muslim_Kingdomshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guntur_district#History

so when telanganaites claim proudly that they had a surplus budget in 1956, it is quite logical that seemandhraites also have a stake in it

@Andhraanon<<There is no "tier-2" city in Telangna except Warangal, while there are atleast 5 Tier-2 cities in Andhra.Some SAs thank KCR for this.In last decade AP government focussed more development in specific costal towns/cities.

The correct reply would be: For the last Half century Ap govt focussed on development of only Andhra town/cities.

Quote:"If all goes as per plan 80 TMC will be diverted from Godavari to Krishna. consequently 80 TMC will be utilized for projects before Nagarjunasagar. out of 80, 55 tmc has been allotted to AP. most of this 55 tmc will be used in nalgonda and mbnr districts."

The central part of the Polavaram project is the barrage constructed straight across the Godavari river some 15 km north of Rajmundhry in East Godavari district. Through anumber of gates power will be generated and there will also be a system to feed the left and right bank canals with water. The barrage will be constructed at a level of 150 feet (47 metres) and raise the water along the river stretch upstream in Godavari and several of its tributaries. The submersion will stretch for more than along the Sabari River, a tributary to Godavari, up to the borders of Orissa and Chhattisgarh.

The right main canal will supply of 80 tmcft of water through Polavaram’s to Budameru in Vijayawada, which opens into Krishna river upstream of Prakasam barrage. In this way canal will connect the Godavari and Krishna rivers. The 174 km long canal will draw 80 tmcft (226 million m3) of water from the dam site and drop it in to the Krishna. Since the canal is a major one there has also been a proposal to make it navigable for freight boats. The Left Main Canal is designed to provide water to 12 lakh acres in north coastal districts besides meeting the drinking water needs of urban and rural areas. It will connect with Yeleru Left Main canal to bring water for industrial (Vizag steel plant) and drinking water purposes. It will also supply coastal Andhra Pradesh with irrigation water in Vishakapatnam, Vizianagaram and Srikakulam districts. The project as it is known today consists of:

* Barrage for water diversion and power generation* Right Main Canal that will bring water to the Krishna river delta* Left Main Canal for drinking and industrial water to Vishakapatnam and irrigation for Vishakapatnam, Vizianagaram and Srikakulam district* Lift Irrigation that will lift water from Godavari to Yelleru left main canal for further distribution to Vishakapatnam for mainly industrial use (probably substituted for Pushkaram and Tadipudi lift irrigation projects)

The benefits are proposed as:* Irrigation of 2.91 lakh hectares, 1.29 along the right canal and 1.62 on the left* Stabilization of existing ayacut* Water supply to Vishakapatnam city and industry* Diversion of 80 TMC of water to Krishna river basin* Generation of 720 MW of power* Navigable canals from Polavaram to Vishakapatnam (through a system of locks)

Source: http://www.fmd-online.de/indien/news/Samata%20Report.pdf

There is no Telangana areas mentioned at all. I am sure there will be some benefit for Telangana too, but my guess is when Telangana is loosing more ground than Seemandra ( 205 vs 71 villages) and this project is built by common taxes, Seemandra getting more than more benefits including one power plant.

no doubt linking potti sriramulu to united ap is a historical coverup by my region leaders.but then, at the same time, the following are also canards spread by trs and other telangana vaadis:

1.telangana was once a seperate staefact : it was part of hyderabad state wich consisted of marathi and kannada speaking areas also.it is another fact that those areas are happy in their respective states INSPITE of not having capitals in their regions.

2.andhra and telangana were seperate since the beginning of mankindfact:nizam seperated them by giving away seemandhra areas as lease to britishers in the late 18th century.before that, all the 3 regions(telangana, coastal andhra and rayalaseema) were together for nearly 300 yrs

3.hyd was built by the sweat and blood of t region people ONLY.fact: as i mentioned in the last point, all the 3 regions were together when the golconda nawab sulthan quli kutub shahi built hyderabad.asaf jahi nizam who succedded him gave away semandhra districts as lease to britishers in return for maintaining his army.in addition, they had to pay him some money annually from the revenue generated in those areas.proofs:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagaram#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srikakulam#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayalaseema#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Godavari#Later_Muslim_Kingdomshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guntur_district#History

so when telanganaites claim proudly that they had a surplus budget in 1956, it is quite logical that seemandhraites also have a stake in it

Well said nenusaitham.

All the way historically it has been the Nizams (I wouldn't say the TGs) who have looted the Seemaandhras and now they want to play coy.

What nerve and shamelessness? They have been the looters all this while and now that some correction is happening they oppose and want to loot again.

no doubt linking potti sriramulu to united ap is a historical coverup by my region leaders.but then, at the same time, the following are also canards spread by trs and other telangana vaadis:

1.telangana was once a seperate staefact : it was part of hyderabad state wich consisted of marathi and kannada speaking areas also.it is another fact that those areas are happy in their respective states INSPITE of not having capitals in their regions.

2.andhra and telangana were seperate since the beginning of mankindfact:nizam seperated them by giving away seemandhra areas as lease to britishers in the late 18th century.before that, all the 3 regions(telangana, coastal andhra and rayalaseema) were together for nearly 300 yrs

3.hyd was built by the sweat and blood of t region people ONLY.fact: as i mentioned in the last point, all the 3 regions were together when the golconda nawab sulthan quli kutub shahi built hyderabad.asaf jahi nizam who succedded him gave away semandhra districts as lease to britishers in return for maintaining his army.in addition, they had to pay him some money annually from the revenue generated in those areas.proofs:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagaram#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srikakulam#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayalaseema#Historyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Godavari#Later_Muslim_Kingdomshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guntur_district#History

so when telanganaites claim proudly that they had a surplus budget in 1956, it is quite logical that seemandhraites also have a stake in it

Well said nenusaitham.

All the way historically it has been the Nizams (I wouldn't say the TGs) who have looted the Seemaandhras and now they want to play coy.

What nerve and shamelessness? They have been the looters all this while and now that some correction is happening they oppose and want to loot again.

Quote:"fact : it was part of hyderabad state wich consisted of marathi and kannada speaking areas also.it is another fact that those areas are happy in their respective states INSPITE of not having capitals in their regions."

This is another false propaganda made by SA vadis. Telangana was a independent state before the merge, it was called HYD state. Regardless of whether Telangana merge with Andhra or not, those kannada, marati areas have been decided to merge with there current states. They were just waited for the first SRC to implement so that the can merge.

Quote:"2.andhra and telangana were seperate since the beginning of mankind"

This propaganda made by SA vadis. We never said telangana were seperated since the beginning.

Quote:"hyd was built by the sweat and blood of t region people ONLY."

Ditto, you keep blame us that we said that. Infact it is you people keep claim that HYD was developed entirely by SA people.

Quote:"so when telanganaites claim proudly that they had a surplus budget in 1956, it is quite logical that seemandhraites also have a stake in it"

This is the problem with you guys. You can fight for something in Indian Union which was happened only after the Indian Union inception. You can not do anything about what happened before the Indian Union inception. That way you can not claim the Kohinoor diamond or you can not file the cases on Jaliyanwala bagh.

When Nizam sold you out to British, it was his wish. You can not claim HYD at that time because there was no democracy at that time. Literally you and me are the property of him. Once British was kicked out, what ever was in the India belongs to Indian people, that can be narrow down to village level. For example if a british owned building(a University) was there in a town, first it belongs to that town, later to that districts, then to that state and finally it belongs to country. The same way when HYD state was merged with Indian union what ever is there in HYD state belongs to HYD state people and later belongs to India. If you cant understand that simple logic, no one can save you.

Quote:"so when telanganaites claim proudly that they had a surplus budget in 1956, it is quite logical that seemandhraites also have a stake in it"

Is this a joke? By this logic, as per a research mankind's origin was Africa, from there mankind spread out to the rest of the world. If current African is you, he will claim the every country showing this research.

Quote:"no doubt linking potti sriramulu to united ap is a historical coverup by my region leaders.but then, at the same time, the following are also canards spread by trs and other telangana vaadis:"

There is lot of difference between two. You people tried to change this history using even elementary school books. You tried to feed the wrong history to the children of AP. Even till 2009 I was in the impression that after Nizam was defeated we were made part of Madras state and Mr.P.Ramulu fought for us to get separate state(AP). Why no one in our state knows about HYD state and merge? Atleast the former HYD state ares (now part of Kannada and Marathi) celebrate the day when there were merged into Indian Union. But here in Telangana we were fed with wrong information that we also got the independence along with the rest of the country.

Individuals talk from TG will not comes into any record, but when you put that same info into text/history book, that is really evil.

I am not that greedy like SA. If Rajasthan , Bihar, TN and Kerala already has enough projects and AP is dying for water... yes I definitely oppose any new national level project to above mentioned states.

As per any reports, SA already had 300% or more canals than TG. If Pranahita completed, I am okey for Polavaram next.

[So you are against the national union]

You cant scare us any more by keep barking that we are against the national union. It is quite boring hearing this from you all the time. It is you against the national union by saying that asking for new state is anti-national.

Telangana was a independent state before the merge, it was called HYD state.

You are only creating a fool out of yourself.

Telangana was not Hyderabad. It was only a region in Hyderabad. In fact Kosta and Ceded were also regions in Nizam's Hyderabad state until 1766 and 1802 respectively.

Other day some learned professor went to the extent of saying world learned 'story telling' (katha) only from Telangana.You are proving him better by twisting known information. Read any information available on Hyderabad state between 1948 - 56 and tell the world whether Telangana was region or 'independent state'.

This propaganda made by SA vadis. We never said telangana were seperated since the beginning.In this very blog many have posted TG and Andhra were different since Mahabharat days.In case you do not subscribe it, replace "we" with "I".

Why we should reject Option-6 and why cant we trust SA and there people

Simple reason, they have a great history of 'not standing on there word'. Two simple examples.

1. They signed for Gentlemen agreement, and agitated in 1972 to either give there own state or remove the agreement.2. They voted for the parties which are pro-telangana with no questions, and after the elections they say they are against the telangana.

Even though if we accepted for option6, in no time they nullify the option6 powers with there majority in the assembly and suitecase power in central. It is suicidal for TG people to accept Option6. Accepting to Option6 is equal to making our children as second class citizens in there own state called AndhraPradesh.

SA always thinks that TG people are much lower class compared to them. Otherwise, they would have make a statement about installing TG heros statues in there areas after we made much noise about why they dont have.

They would have voluntarily made any TG leader as AP's CM. When they say they die for Telugu Unity, they cant bare to have a TG person ruling them. That is the reason none of TG leaders ruled the AP for five continues years.

If anybody wants to know the Scale of Andhra Media propaganda, You have to look no further than the top Andhra news Paper "Enadu" , they openly Spread Xenophobia and Hatred towards people of other States, One heading in Front Page of Enadu read "Mayadhari Marathas" and they theories about how Kanndigas and Tamils Steal water of Telugus(what about the 1000's of TMC's stolen by Andhras every year), they try to whip Up Hatred towards other states by phrases like "telugu athamagavuruvam ki Dhebba", This is all a Ploy by Andhras to Divert the attention of Telangana people from their Real enemies .

Many telangana people think that only SA supporters as their enemies, But thats a wrong line of thinking, there are many Andhras who think of TG people as a "degenerated class" but they still support Division of the state not because they are Sympathetic to the plight of Telangana people or the agitation but because of their own Selfish Reasons.

These people hate the guts of Telangana people but dont give a Shit whether the state is United or Not.

The Andhra govt is increasingly getting brazen and audacious in its attempts to Crush the TG movement with Violence.They managed to Kill a TRS Politburo member without any Fear of backlash from Telangana people. They managed to arrest of scores of PDSU student for March10 incident without attracting much Condemnation from TG people.Now they will go after "soft targets" like those striking govt employees, they will resort to hararrsement by Using ACB or cutting back Promotions for TG employees. Finally we will be successful making any TG person think twice before joining the agitation.

Looks like andhras need a lesson in history instead of the "hysteria" they are getting from your propaganda.

1518: Qutbshahi kingdom with Golkonda as capital1565: Vijayanagar defeated by Golkonda; some more Telugu areas join Qutbshahi rule but never fully annexed1591: Hyderabad city founded; capital remains at Golkonda1610: Aurangabad city founded1687: Golkonda falls to Moghuls by treachery; capital shifts to Aurangabad1720: Asafjahis ("Nizam"; Qutbshahis were never called Nizam) take over from Moghuls; capital remains at Aurangabad; no real control on outlying Telugu areas1759: Circar districts captured by East India Company (from defacto French control)1763: capital shifted to Hyderabad1768: Asafjahis formally acknowledge the defacto East India Co control of Circar districts1788: Asafjahis formally acknowledge the defacto EIC control of Guntur & Chittoor districts1790: Asafjahis obtain control of "ceded districts"1796: Asafjahis transfer the "ceded districts" to EIC under "subsidiary alliance"

"Taxes paid to support Nizam" is another cock-and--bull story. The residents of Madras province paid *exactly* the same tax as other British subjects. The privy purses paid to Asafjahis (and all other princes) & the military upkeep throughout British India was financed by tax and non-tax revenues from *all* over British India.

"Seemandhras own the patent in demolishing statues. They pulled down the statue of Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy in 1966"

It started even earlier (in 1953) when andha guys protested setting up the capital in Kurnool (as per the Sribagh pact). They demolished the statue of "andha kesari" Prakasam in Vijayawada because he supported Kurnool over Vijayawada.

"Taxes paid to support Nizam" is another cock-and--bull story. The residents of Madras province paid *exactly* the same tax as other British subjects. The privy purses paid to Asafjahis (and all other princes) & the military upkeep throughout British India was financed by tax and non-tax revenues from *all* over British India.

Absolute cock and bull nonsense. The taxes were clearly delineated and the SAs paid the Nizam. Prove otherwise.

By your logic you could say that everything was paid by tax and non-tax revenues across the world of the "British Empire". So even the Australians paid for it. Is it?

What crappy argument this is without any shred evidence. This is just piling lies on lies.

Jai,"1720: Asafjahis ("Nizam"; Qutbshahis were never called Nizam) take over from Moghuls; capital remains at Aurangabad; no real control on outlying Telugu areas1759: Circar districts captured by East India Company (from defacto French control)"

But how did the french get the circars? The extract of an article below is from the early 1900s and so is in present tense.

In the year 1751 Salabat Jang (the third son of Asaf Jah, the founder of the present ruling dynasty at Hyderabad) became the Subadar of the Deccan with the help of the French troops. Out of gratitude he gave an Inam of the Kondavid (Guntur or Moortizanagar) Circar to the French in 1752. The next year he assigned the remaining four Northern Circars to the French, viz., Moostafanagar (Kondapalli); Ellore; Rajahmundry; and Chicacole.

In the year 1756, the Seven Years’ War broke out between England and France. Ananda Gajapati Raz of Vizianagar, who was the renter-in-chief under the French but was dissatisfied with their administration, applied to Clive in Bengal for help. He was emboldened to do this, because the French General Bussy had left Hyderabad, having been summoned by Lally, the new Governor of Pondicherry, to help him with his troops in the siege of Madras. Clive was only too glad to accept the invitation of Ananda Gajapati Raz, and deputed Colonel Forde to evict the French from the Circars. After brilliant successes, Colonel Forde marched on Masulipatam, then the chief town of the Circars, and took it. The French were completely evicted. Salabat Jang, however, advanced to oppose the British, but found it prudent to enter into a treaty with them in 1759. By this treaty the British got, "as an enam or free gift," the country round Masulipatam and Nizampatam. The rest of the Circars reverted to the Subadar, i.e., the Nizam.

@green star,he statue of neelam sanjeva reddy was demolished because the people were angry WITH HIM, and not his region/community, etc.but thats not the case with tank bund demolition which was preplanned and done because those people belonged to seemandhra districts.

@sujaithe violence in 1952 occurred because people got into emotion upon looing a person of the stature of potti sriramulu.whereas, chidambaram himself admitted that he gave the statement on december 9th midnight only to break the fast of kcr.now wether kcr and potti sriramulu can be compared or not,i leave the judgement to my telangana friends

"KCR is a far bigger hero to Telangana than Potti Sriramulu ever was (to Telangana)."

by any chance, do u represent the people of telangana so as to deciede who is their hero???evari pichhi vaariki anandam.keep on eulogising a drunkard like kcr.i am in no way against seperate telangana insipite of being a seemandhraite but since u consider kcr as a hero, i have only 2 words for you

1768: Asafjahis formally acknowledge the defacto East India Co control of Circar districts

There is lot literature available in "Google books" about this. You can analyze this for yourself. Note many of those books were written well before India's independence. Further there are many chronicles by Europeans about these dealing.

Only point I would like to bring out is Nizam took Rupees 9 lakhs per annum as lease amount for these districts. Thought it was not actually paid by the British but adjusted towards the expenses of British army stationed in secundrabad as 'protection' to Nizam.

All the separatists who are vandalizing may escape in the hue of regionalism. But there is no way they can escape Karma, some thing really unfortunate may be manifesting for them in near future.

I'm neither from SA or TG. But I feel that there are more problems in TG (entire India) which need a much greater attention rather than a separate state at this stage -- which is not guaranteed to improve the life of common man in TG.

Tell all the students and un-employed youth that achieving TG will not guarantee them jobs or prosperity -- I'm sure once people realize this they will definitely back off.

[Tell all the students and un-employed youth that achieving TG will not guarantee them jobs or prosperity -- I'm sure once people realize this they will definitely back off. ]

You are great boss, you opened my eyes. As of I know in this forum, Sujai, Lavanya and me are currently job less, hoping to get one once T is formed. So.. do you think we dont get jobs in T states? If that is true, we are all just wasting our time. You saved our life man. You are a god to us.

When you cannot accept a Telangana judge to rule over matter related to Telangana, how do you expect us to continue to be ruled over by Seemandhras who control the judiciary, administration and legislature?

Does this 'partisanship' clearly make a case for separate statehood demanded by Telangana?

When you cannot accept a Telangana judge to rule over matter related to Telangana

Maybe I should have been more clear. The judgement that the report be made public is absolutely valid. It is the leaking of report contents which is what is under debate.

It is this judge who overstepped his domain. He leaked the report in the guise of a judgement. He had to say that it should be made public. You don't go through the details of a rape like a sick erotica when giving out a rape judgement. Of course it may regale some sickos but that's not how judiciary is expected to function.

Moreover the judge could have passed a judgement to make the report public and then make the state brought under contempt if they did not make it public. Looks like the judge conveniently did not do that for professional reasons.

"In the year 1756, the Seven Years’ War broke out between England and France. After brilliant successes, Colonel Forde marched on Masulipatam, then the chief town of the Circars, and took it. By this treaty the British got, "as an enam or free gift," the country round Masulipatam and Nizampatam. The rest of the Circars reverted to the Subadar, i.e., the Nizam"

"Only point I would like to bring out is Nizam took Rupees 9 lakhs per annum as lease amount for these districts"

"Thought it was adjusted towards the expenses of British army stationed in secundrabad as 'protection' to Nizam"

The theory of "SA contribution to Hyderabad city" has been systematically fostered by the likes of Arunkumar & Chakravarthi. This etrays their lack of understanding of the ground situation in those days.

The native rulers before 1857 held power through a complex mechanism of local satraps. In many cases, claims of boundaries remained on paper as the local chieftains were defiant. The satraps shifted allegiance often. This is why the kings spent much of their time & money in frequent wars. When a king lost a war, "his" area was "divided" among the victors but this may not translate into annexation.

After the arrival of the colonial powers, they started arbitrating between the local rulers and even satraps (e.g. see Gajapati example provided by POK). When the British "obtained" a territory either as a spoil of war or gratuity, they established "real control" i.e. defacto rule.

The British extended their control through measures like subsidiary alliance & doctrine of lapse. These were basically methods of annexing areas "owned" by the subsidiary rulers. The "compensation" was computed arbitrarily. The troops "stationed" were quite a small force headed by a junior officer.

It was only after 1857 that the structures became rigid.

As per the 1931 census, Aurangabad (the former capital of the Moghul Deccan and the initiall Asafjahi rulers) was not even half of Warangal. The status of other Bahmani capitals was worse.

[You should at least give yourself a pseudonym. It doesn’t take much effort]

It is the leaking of report contents which is what is under debate.

The Judge himself provides the rationale for ‘leaking’ the report. I find his rationale sound and logical. You may not agree with them. You can challenge his rationale and if you think he has overstepped his domain, you can file a case against him.

Whereas we believe that it is because of Samaikhyandhra movement, Samaikhyandhra activists and Seemandhra detractors who are causing these suicides. If they had allowed P Chidambaram to go ahead and make the state of Telangana, there wouldn't have been agitations, and there wouldn't have been suicides.

If you speak to any good constitutional lawyer or retired judges they will tell you that the center has a right to withhold the chapter 8. The center is not under any legal provision to disclose it.

Obviously Justice Reddy also knows this. He knows that the supreme court will overturn his judgement. that is a known and foregone conclusion. Every tom dick and harry in the legal world says that.

So the judge did a smart thing. He referred to those parts of the report that he knew would cause consternation among the people. he was aware that now the center would be put in a major quandry: if it goes to the apex court it will win, but that would cause more problems due to the uncertainty about the half disclosed report. Therefore the center would have no choice but to simply disclose the judgement. Justice reddy has enacted a brilliant coup with his judgement.

Quote:"You can challenge his rationale and if you think he has overstepped his domain, you can file a case against him."

They won't file a case because they know they will be slapped on there face again, instead of finishing there war(argument) at supreme court, they choose not to go there (fear of loosing), so that rest of there life they can claim the same what ever they are barking on the streets right now.

Pl ask ANY lawyer to interpret the judgement. I am told that the wordings in the judgement imply that the judge did not direct the center to disclose the report but only asked it to consider whether they would like to release it in view of the comments that he made during the course of his judgement.

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