Really, if this guy told you to kill someone and you did it, who should really go to jail?

Since when do you go to jail for murder, I thought you went to prison.

"not to toot my own horn (it aint need no tooin if u know what im saying), but my writings on "viciousness: the one true viture (fancy spelling for virtue)" and my poem "A poem I wrote about DDO" put me in a class of my damn own. im just an UNRECONGIZED geniuse" -bananafana

He didn't just say "go kill these people" to strangers. He brainwashed them with drugs and his insane philosophy and paranoia.

#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

At 11/9/2012 6:19:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:Even if moral absolutes exists, justice is impossible. There is no free will.

What's your reasoning for no free will? Thread references are acceptable since I'm sure you have already debated it ad nauseum.

In the sense that I mean it here, it is mostly to say that hypnosis is a proven and highly effective tool for manipulating the "will" of another.

Also, and more broadly, that there is no coherent point that we can call "ourselves" from which to judge that a decision has been produced from. Our "freedom" is a product of the chaos emerging from our biology and environment throughout our lives.

One can rightly speak of people as having a will, but never that it is sufficiently pronounced in of it's own right. Will is not an object; will does not exist at a point and time. As all things of a similar level of existence, it is an arbitrary illustration manifested by the human nervous system, both conscious and unconscious, to be a practical tool in understanding and properly functioning as a part of human relations. It loses all such practical significance when one tries to give it a literal identity in philosophy. Making, I, the abolitionist, actually the upholder.

At 11/9/2012 6:19:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:Even if moral absolutes exists, justice is impossible. There is no free will.

What's your reasoning for no free will? Thread references are acceptable since I'm sure you have already debated it ad nauseum.

In the sense that I mean it here, it is mostly to say that hypnosis is a proven and highly effective tool for manipulating the "will" of another.

Also, and more broadly, that there is no coherent point that we can call "ourselves" from which to judge that a decision has been produced from. Our "freedom" is a product of the chaos emerging from our biology and environment throughout our lives.

One can rightly speak of people as having a will, but never that it is sufficiently pronounced in of it's own right. Will is not an object; will does not exist at a point and time. As all things of a similar level of existence, it is an arbitrary illustration manifested by the human nervous system, both conscious and unconscious, to be a practical tool in understanding and properly functioning as a part of human relations. It loses all such practical significance when one tries to give it a literal identity in philosophy. Making, I, the abolitionist, actually the upholder.

One could say the same thing about art.

Or, taking it a step further, if this were true, then art wouldn't have any meaning, because it is simply an inevitable expression naturally inclined of a biological arrangement.

Like the ticking of a clock as it pertains to a mechanical arrangement.