jpete wrote:The Germans were doing just fine without us. Maybe we should figure out how they turned their economy around and try that instead of what D.C. is doing?! It's so crazy, it just might work!

Oh, I was just going by a show I saw; they were saying most people wanted to let Germany "Lie in its ashes". I thought the country was bombed into rubble but I guess they still had a lot of money. I didn't think they were capable of turning their own economy around.

But back on track, if it was a terrorist attack they probably would have downplayed it.

jpete wrote:You'll never get me to submit to nationalism. In fact, they tried nationalism in Germany shortly before the German Miracle.

That's interesting, because I was thinking you'll never get me to give up my national pride. German nationalism was Naziism. My outlook on US nationalism is that it's being undermined. The kind of nationalism the world has never seen; a free and open society; is being encroached on. I just wonder how you can be a proponent of the Constitution, and at the same time seem to disapprove of your country's historical actions that freed the world from tyranny in WWII , for example.

Sorry for the drift. This Monkey got in power, the second time,off the loss of righteous nationalism so prevalent in today's youth. They all have no national pride or patriotism for this country... These are the enemies among us that downplay terrorism, and seek to destroy the Constitution.

oros35 wrote:So do you think we would be discussing the same gun control subjects if the attack was a result of a terrorist group (such as Al Qaida or similar)?

Oops, I'm a few days behind the curve on this thread. After the World Trade Center attack, we discussed how easy it was for terrorists to get onto airplanes and take them over. So yes, if the school attack had been done by Islamic terrorists who bought their weapons here in this country, I think we would be discussing which weapons should be readily available, and how to screen the buyers.

Why not pre-wire all our elementary schools with dynamite, and put a push button on the lamp post outside? Anyone so inclined could walk up and push the button at any time. That would make it only marginally easier than today's situation, where anyone so inclined can buy an assault rifle, pre-load a few 50-round clips, and blast his way into kindergarten. It takes both opportunity and inclination to commit a crime like this, but the firearms industry wants you to focus only on the inclination part.

That's like saying the auto industry is esponsible for drunk driving . Or saying the airline industry is responsible for bird strikes that take down airliners.This was a statistically insignificant event, immediately exploited those who would strip us of our constitutional rights.

Dann757 wrote:This Monkey got in power, the second time,off the loss of righteous nationalism so prevalent in today's youth. They all have no national pride or patriotism for this country...

Righteous nationalism is not patriotism. It' more like the mindless tribal enthusiasm of middle-school students at a football game who yell, "We're number one! We're number one!", when in fact their school is nothing special and no different than a thousand others.

And speaking of mindless mutterings, Mr. New Jersey, take your "Monkey" remarks to a black neighborhood in Camden and see if they go over well. Take some bananas with you and pass them out.

Opinion? I provided references. It's not an opinion. It's a historical FACT. Hard currency did more to bring Germany back from ruin after the war than anything else.

Dann757 wrote:

jpete wrote:You'll never get me to submit to nationalism. In fact, they tried nationalism in Germany shortly before the German Miracle.

That's interesting, because I was thinking you'll never get me to give up my national pride. German nationalism was Naziism. My outlook on US nationalism is that it's being undermined. The kind of nationalism the world has never seen; a free and open society; is being encroached on. I just wonder how you can be a proponent of the Constitution, and at the same time seem to disapprove of your country's historical actions that freed the world from tyranny in WWII , for example.

Sorry for the drift. This Monkey got in power, the second time,off the loss of righteous nationalism so prevalent in today's youth. They all have no national pride or patriotism for this country... These are the enemies among us that downplay terrorism, and seek to destroy the Constitution.

Nationalism is nationalism. It doesn't matter in what country it springs up. It's all bad.

By loudly proclaiming "MY COUNTRY!! RIGHT OR WRONG!!" you are affirming that you will stand by and watch while your country does the things you know are wrong. It's not a moral position to hold. It's not what this country was founded on and it is the road to evil.

Isn't that interesting. If you yourself were a country; you would be extremely nationalistic. You're so determined to be right all the time you rigorously defend your opinion as fact!I've said before, I agree with you 1/2 the time.It just seems to me you are an extreme proponent of the coal fire, but denounce the stove that has to contain it.

jpete wrote:Nationalism is nationalism. It doesn't matter in what country it springs up. It's all bad.

Nazi-ism can be defined as the forcible oppression of all opposition. Our nation is based on freedom and justice for all. It's not the same.

How can you be a proponent of the Constitution and disregard the very borders it was founded within.

jpete wrote:By loudly proclaiming "MY COUNTRY!! RIGHT OR WRONG!!" you are affirming that you will stand by and watch while your country does the things you know are wrong. It's not a moral position to hold. It's not what this country was founded on and it is the road to evil.

Please, spare me the histrionics. You're right, you're the king of facts, you're the only one that's moral. No wonder you raise so many hackles here.

Maybe my perception of your endless points is skewed, but it just seems to me you always blame your own country first, despite all our sacrifices and contributions to the world.

rberq wrote:Righteous nationalism is not patriotism. It' more like the mindless tribal enthusiasm of middle-school students at a football game who yell, "We're number one! We're number one!", when in fact their school is nothing special and no different than a thousand others.

So I see you're not a fan of any kind of competition. Many thousands of middle school students have benefitted from the character-building experience of team play, goal oriented games that prepare them for the real world. If a team consistently wins, their school can take a justified sense of pride. Not falling for your liberal everyone gets a trophy so everybody feels good mindset.

rberq wrote: And speaking of mindless mutterings, Mr. New Jersey, take your "Monkey" remarks to a black neighborhood in Camden and see if they go over well. Take some bananas with you and pass them out.

You're right, that was a comment best reserved for conversations with loyal Americans in private. I can see how it would offend a proponent of The King of the Parasites. PS, I interact constantly with many races. I wouldn't have to go as far as Camden, I'm within 7 miles of the ghetto.

Sorry, I drifted the topic for my own purposes. Again, if that event had have been terrorist, they certainly would have downplayed it. The administration would have lost face.

rberq wrote: And speaking of mindless mutterings, Mr. New Jersey, take your "Monkey" remarks to a black neighborhood in Camden and see if they go over well. Take some bananas with you and pass them out.

You're right, that was a comment best reserved for conversations with loyal Americans in private.

Loyal Americans like Strom Thurman and George Wallace. As your pal Joe McCarthy would say, "Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the KKK?"