Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 19:11:02 -1000
From: John Huggett
Message-Id: <49bh96$n1m@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Organization: University of Guelph
Subject: Kites and SCUBA?
Has anyone ever thought of "flying" a kite in a current?
I've seen videos of divers who drift along in the current as if they were
"leaves in the wind", Could they not fix there position and fly some type
of a stunt kite??....I think it would be a neat little idea, Probably a
fairly small kite, strong lines, and a huge attack
angle.........Dreams.......Any ideas??
John
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:07:09 -1000
From: Scott Humphrey
Message-Id:
Organization: Grand Valley State University
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
It's been done. I forget who did it, but I'm sure that someone will
chime in with the answer. I'm pretty sure that there is a video and
several pictures of it.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:23:39 -1000
From: dgomberg@ednet1.osl.or.gov (David Gomberg)
Message-Id: <49cvnb$maj@ednet1.osl.or.gov>
Organization: Eastern Oregon State College
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
Actually, scuba-kiting has been done quite effectively by
Mr. Marooka over in Japan. Seems to me there were photos in
one of the American magazines a few years back.
I also recall stories about Ron Reich doing the same thing.
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:23:36 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49fd28$tro@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
Ooops!
Sorry, had trouble with the Server, no sending confirmation...
Rolf
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:56:40 -1000
From: pdjnjvt@hacom.nl (Peter de jong)
Message-Id:
Organization: HACOM Internet - Amersfoort - The Netherlands. (033-4808707)
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John Huggett wrote:
>Has anyone ever thought of "flying" a kite in a current?
>I've seen videos of divers who drift along in the current as if they were
>"leaves in the wind", Could they not fix there position and fly some type
>of a stunt kite??....I think it would be a neat little idea, Probably a
>fairly small kite, strong lines, and a huge attack
>angle.........Dreams.......Any ideas??
You won't get a patent on that.. For more than 100 years we are doing
this in Holland ( and probably elsewhwere too ).
Only thing is we din't like to get wet so we took a large steel kite
and attached a boat above it. Just fixed the flying line ? m upstream
and by changing the attack angle we could move the kite left and
right. I think there are still some small ones left : They are called
" ferries "
Greetings from Holland
Peter de Jong
A&F Custom Kites Werkhoven NL
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:31:29 -1000
From: daveculp@bdt.com (Dave Culp)
Message-Id:
Organization: Beckemeyer Development, Oakland CA
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
In article <49bh96$n1m@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, John Huggett
wrote:
> Has anyone ever thought of "flying" a kite in a current?
> I've seen videos of divers who drift along in the current as if they were
> "leaves in the wind", Could they not fix there position and fly some type
> of a stunt kite??....I think it would be a neat little idea, Probably a
> fairly small kite, strong lines, and a huge attack
> angle.........Dreams.......Any ideas??
>
Absolutely! I posted an article on just this several weeks ago. Also for
"kiting" between bodies of air ("sailing the shear"), and other fluid
interface vehicles.
I gotta know, do you know where your school got it's name? I'm told that
that spelling, "Guelph," is the original spelling for my last name!
Where's it from? Thanks!
Dave Culp
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:59:26 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dfse$3pp@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:02:40 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dg2g$4ag@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:01:53 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dg11$46p@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:01:23 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dg03$469@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:03:29 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dg41$4bb@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:02:51 -1000
From: Rolf Lehnert
Message-Id: <49dg2r$4am@kralle.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Organization: Johannes Gutenberg-Universitdt Mainz, Germany
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John,
reading your article I remember my first contact to a "stunt-kite". It
was not a real stunt-kite but more a childrens toy. The son of a friend
of mine flew it in Heidelberg from a bridge over the river Neckar. I
managed to hit the water (I really didn't wanted that) and the kite began
to dive real fast, just like it would do in the wind...
No use to say that the kite didn't survive this experiment. But a new
idea was born.
That time I went fishing almost every day and I got the problem with the
current of the river. My fishing line drifted downwards and after a few
minutes the bait was placed near the shore. No fishes :-
I created a small (very small) "kite", which I connected in an angel to
the fishing line that pulled my bait in the middle of the stream. I was
able to change position with changing the angel of the "kite".
Theoretically there is no question why this horizontal used "kite"
couldn't be used for SCUBA. Of course the construction has to be
adjusted. And think of the current effect to the diver...
Let me know about your experiments (I start diving next February)
Smooths currents
Rolf
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:36:09 -1000
From: alanh@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Hoyle)
Message-Id: <49gnvq$1bh7@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
John Huggett (jhuggett@uoguelph.ca) scrawled:
: Has anyone ever thought of "flying" a kite in a current?
: I've seen videos of divers who drift along in the current as if they were
: "leaves in the wind", Could they not fix there position and fly some type
: of a stunt kite??....I think it would be a neat little idea, Probably a
: fairly small kite, strong lines, and a huge attack
: angle.........Dreams.......Any ideas??
: John
Didn't Ron Reich (or someone) do this for a tv show a while back? I
Think it was for "That's Incredible" and there was some estimate of 1MPH
current = 20 mph wind or something similar.
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:29:28 -1000
From: mjpellet@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com (Mark Pelletier)
Message-Id: <49kt68$t4l@news.sanders.lockheed.com>
Organization: Lockheed Sanders
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
In article <49cvnb$maj@ednet1.osl.or.gov>, dgomberg@ednet1.osl.or.gov
says...
>
>
>Actually, scuba-kiting has been done quite effectively by
>Mr. Marooka over in Japan. Seems to me there were photos in
>one of the American magazines a few years back.
>
Yup,
See Kitelines, Summer 1990, Page 61
Katsutaka Murooka (International aerial kite photographer) of Tokyo,
Japan, is shown flying his own 1m x 1.5m parafoil underwater while being
pulled along with a marine scooter...
See ya'
Mark
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:37:32 -1000
From: kitestuff@aol.com (KITESTUFF)
Message-Id: <49m0qc$ak9@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
Hi Alen. I've been building underwater kites for the inventor for 5 years.
They "fly" underwater from 500 feet to 2 miles deep. They are anchored
to the ocean floor and the flying rope has a balloon on the top of the
line. Our kites (2 plane deltas - i.e. 2 deltas, one horizontal, one
vertical on the same center spine something like a radar reflector) are
anchored along the line in 3 to 5 places. They're about 6' across.
They're purpose is to attract Tuna without attracting Dolphins. These
FADS (fish attracting devices) are part of the reason why your tuna cans
say "Dolphin Safe Tuna" on them. The strange thing is that tuna hang
around them but Dolphins don't. The Fishing boats that plant the FADS
simply go back to where they are and catch the tuna. For some unknown
reason the Dolphins no longer hang around the tuna that are around the
FADS.
So there are underwater kites....
Bill Tyrell
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:44:21 -1000
From: ahclem0013@aol.com (AhClem0013)
Message-Id: <49n7sl$m08@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
In article <49m0qc$ak9@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kitestuff@aol.com
(KITESTUFF) writes:
>Hi Alen. I've been building underwater kites for the inventor for 5
years.
> They "fly" underwater from 500 feet to 2 miles deep. They are anchored
>to the ocean floor and the flying rope has a balloon on the top of the
>line. Our kites (2 plane deltas - i.e. 2 deltas, one horizontal, one
>vertical on the same center spine something like a radar reflector) are
>anchored along the line in 3 to 5 places. They're about 6' across.
>They're purpose is to attract Tuna without attracting Dolphins. These
>FADS (fish attracting devices) are part of the reason why your tuna cans
>say "Dolphin Safe Tuna" on them. The strange thing is that tuna hang
>around them but Dolphins don't. The Fishing boats that plant the FADS
>simply go back to where they are and catch the tuna. For some unknown
>reason the Dolphins no longer hang around the tuna that are around the
>FADS.
>So there are underwater kites....
How the heck did they figure this one out?? Why hasn't this been
reported on? This is fasinating stuff!! Sure would like to see a picture
of the kites. thanks for the report.
dean of aoxo
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:13:18 -1000
From: kitestuff@aol.com (KITESTUFF)
Message-Id: <49ngju$ot6@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
Hi "Dean of A"
The FADs were featured on the TV show 20/20, national news and were shown
working in the fish tank at Disney World in Fla. They're presently in the
Gulf of Mexico, Alaska and off the coast of Japan among other places.
Many fleets won't talk about them as they keep locations secret. They've
been around for about 5 years now. I've been making them for the
inventor. The color they're made of seems to affect the kinds of sea life
they attract. Orange for example attracts turtles. Yellow attracts tuna.
That's only the tip of the icecube... the research is still going on.
The kites are patented and heavily defended by the inventor.
Thats all the news that's fit to print.
Bill Tyrrell
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:23:22 -1000
From: Steve Bateman
Message-Id: <49okbq$b7h@hole.sdsu.edu>
Organization: San Diego State University
Subject: Re: Kites and SCUBA?
kitestuff@aol.com (KITESTUFF) wrote:
>
> Hi Alen. I've been building underwater kites for the inventor for 5 years.
> They "fly" underwater from 500 feet to 2 miles deep. They are anchored
> to the ocean floor and the flying rope has a balloon on the top of the
> line. Our kites (2 plane deltas - i.e. 2 deltas, one horizontal, one
> vertical on the same center spine something like a radar reflector) are
> anchored along the line in 3 to 5 places. They're about 6' across.
> They're purpose is to attract Tuna without attracting Dolphins. These
> FADS (fish attracting devices) are part of the reason why your tuna cans
> say "Dolphin Safe Tuna" on them. The strange thing is that tuna hang
> around them but Dolphins don't. The Fishing boats that plant the FADS
> simply go back to where they are and catch the tuna. For some unknown
> reason the Dolphins no longer hang around the tuna that are around the
> FADS.
> So there are underwater kites....
>
> Bill Tyrell
In an environmental sense, that is the best thing I have ever
heard on rec.kites. Thank you.
Steve Bateman
bateman@mail.sdsu.edu
Flying along.
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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:29:05 -1000
From: Martin Thomas
Message-Id: <817896545snz@fizz.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Fizz Sport Kites
Subject: Kites and SCUBA?
One of Julian Wolfe-Patrick's (well known Candian kite designer living in
France) kites was filmed being flown underwater by Maxime Fellion (also well
known French kite designer) back in the late eighties. A photo appeared in one
of the UK Sunday newspaper colour suppliments (Sunday Times I think).
Julian can be contacted at Wolfe Design France on +44 33 56 22 64 41 or by fax
on +44 33 56 22 68 94. Maxime can be found at The BlackBird Kite Company in
Paris (number evades me at the moment).
Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Martin
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 07:36:00 -1000
From: Mike Millen
Message-Id: <6a1_9512122043@donor2.demon.co.uk>
Organization: DoNoR/2,Woking UK (44-1483-725167)
Subject: Kites and SCUBA?
Martin Thomas said...
MT> Julian can be contacted at Wolfe Design
MT> France on +44 33 56 22 64 41 or by fax
MT> on +44 33 56 22 68 94. Maxime can be found at The BlackBird
MT> Kite Company in Paris (number evades me at the moment).
Almost correct!
The numbers should NOT start with 44 (UK). Just dial the
International Access Code (eg:00) then the rest: 33 56 22 64 41
Mike.
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