Another gobbledygook spam post from this shady person - cross-posted 4 times in different forums. There really is no point to this. I have removed this person (email address dickfarney@us.com ) from the forum.

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I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.

That is the point of it:a scam.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

I have found this about Eduardo Dutra. It is an interview with Arnaldo Cohen, given in 2001, who owns a copy of the very same prelude, given to him by Jacques Klein. TThis is an interview given to the BBC when of the issue of a CD with music by Brazilian composers. I have chosen not to translate, but the gist is that Cohen went to look through the scores Klein had given him and came across this Prelude. Who Eduardo was and who was Farnesio was a mystery to him, so he placed an advertisement asking for information. He received three calls and discovered very little, really, and the information is to be found above (was it Luis Sarro who wrote it? I cannot remember).

Had this blurb been in Spanish, I would have attempted it. But Portugese is quite different. Maybe Luis could assist us.

Google translate does a very decent job:

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Cohen - The fascinating story of this album began in 1970, when my teacher at the time, Jacques Klein, told me he was doing a cleanup in the library and asked if I wanted some things. Of course I wanted, I had no money, did not have much music ...

Thirty years later, when I choose the repertoire for the record, I decided to take a look at my library to see what I had. I come across a piece called Prelude, signed by Eduardo Dutra. I read - is a small part that is hard - seemed a bit Rachmaninov, a beautiful thing. It has the name of the publisher, nothing. Only the year 1940, and a dedication. "The Farnesio my son."

In Brazil, I was trying to figure out. A journalist friend put an ad in the Globe, in Rio de Janeiro, asking anyone who knew who was Eduardo Dutra to get in touch. I received three phone calls. Eduardo Dutra was an amateur musician, industrial chemist, who had a pharmaceutical laboratory, which met on Sunday evenings to make friends, musical meetings. And who was the father Farnesio. Only the Farnesio is famous Brazilian jazz pianist Dick Farney, brother Cyl Farney, the actor of the times of Atlantis and Grande Otelo.

It was an extraordinary surprise. Now, if Eduardo Dutra, when he composed it in 1940 - because he wrote for internal use, not to sell or divulge anything - I think if he knew, 60 years later, that this work would be recorded and distributed worldwide I'm sure he would be very happy. It's a personal satisfaction, and this story is perhaps the most fascinating to me that disk.

Thanks for deciphering it! Arnaldo Cohen speaks English well, but his CD was Brazilian, so I can well understand why the notes were in Portugese.

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It was an extraordinary surprise. Now, if Eduardo Dutra, when he composed it in 1940 - because he wrote for internal use, not to sell or divulge anything - I think if he knew, 60 years later, that this work would be recorded and distributed worldwide I'm sure he would be very happy. It's a personal satisfaction, and this story is perhaps the most fascinating to me that disk.

That was EXACTLY my reason for learning and recording this fine piece of Dutra. I believe that a good many pianists here at PS are delighted to play music composed by unknown or forgotten composers. There are many gems that never see the light of day. I was unaware of the Pierre Feraux recording until posted here, but I would bet that his thinking on recording this piece was very much the same. Of course, Feraux and Cohen, being professional artists, both probably made money from it, but I just enjoyed the personal satisfaction of sharing it with others.

David

_________________"Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities." David April

That was from an interview to the Brazilian service of the BBC. I wonder how he and Feraux solved the question of the royalties? By saying that every effort was made to contact the owners but with little success and that they would be delighted if any eventual owner came forth? This is the usual formula.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

Hi David,I have enjoyed your performance very much. I didn´t know this lovely piece and composer. I think, it´s played quite rarely. A very romantic and impassioned composition. Though without score I can´t comment on details, I think, you have brought out this spirit of the piece very fine. Your playing is very subtle and expressive! Thank you very much for sharing this little gem.

Yes, this is a piece of high merit. In listening to the links provided here of the performances by Analdo Cohen and Pierre Feraux, and including my own rendition, there are a few differences, but far more commonalities. I'm sure everyone had the same problem--trying to best serve the composer in playing an unknown score.

I appreciate your kind comments!

David

_________________"Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities." David April

Now, tell us, Luis: do you not think this "Mariangela" is someone who does not exist, a "malandro"? I am sure that who wrote all that is not Brazilian, because that is just not the way a Brazilian would write.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

Read these two posts, Luis: the earlier (the first) one is a bit different from the later (second) one. Notice the names: HENRY Oswald, for example.

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Dr. Eduardo D'Utra e Silva, inherited the Laboratory F. Dutra, Fabrizio your father and also the love of letters and arts. Eduardo's father Dick, a pediatrician, philosopher, composer, musician, very cultivated, an expert in wrestling, polyglot, including full fluency in Greek, he studied philosophy devoting himself especially the neo-scholastic. Famous conductor and composer, and very successful entrepreneur also taught to a select group of students, one of the famous students of Eduardo Dutra e Silva, Jack Klein was professor Arnaldo Cohen.In music he joined the neo-romanticism. He studied music theory with renowned masters, violin with Joaquim Boisson; perfected in piano with Henry Oswald, Barroso Neto and Charley Lachmund.Eduardo Dutra was a classical composer of great prestige and over the years leading conductors and soloists have performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga, Henrique Spedini, Ernesto Ronchini Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works on his CD released in 2005.Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Josette Dyla, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed, Concerto in F sharp minor, "ballet - Pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For piano, "Sonata in C minor, twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(children's suite), five" studies "," Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltz" concert, "Three Berceuse" "Concerto No. 2" Piano "Concerto No. 1" for orchestra. Eduardo studied philosophy and theology, many hours a day with equal dedication to music.As a pediatrician served only children of friends and relatives.The evenings were frequented by famous artists, musicians, singers and well Cyl Dick and grew in an environment focused on the arts and philosophy.It is worth noting that all you had to practice wrestling watching Grandpa and his followers and coachThis is part of the book is a biography of Dick Farney.Mariangela- I am the heir of both, put me to provide further information, thank you and to emphasize that we are thrilled with the comments about the work of Eduardo Dutra.

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Eduardo Dutra, was a composer and scholar of great reputation over the years outstanding conductors and soloists performed several of his works, among them Francisco Braga (was artistic director and conductor of the Orchestra Symphonic Concert Society), Henry Spedini (conductor holder Symphony Orchestra of Theatro Municipal do Rio de Janeiro), by Symphony Orchestra of Rio de Janeiro under the baton of conductor and professor Ernesto Ronchini, conductor Arthur Bosmans, Martinez Degree and recently Arnaldo Cohen recently presented one of his works in his Cd edited in 2005.Among the soloists, Mario Neves, Mario de Azevedo, Arnaldo Rebello, Dyla Josetti, Isaac Feldman, Peri Machado and others. His works are performed more; Concerto in F sharp minor; "Balet - pantomime" entitled "The Princess of Medinet - el Fayum," five "Preludes", "Orientales" (suite of seven dances of oriental character), "Idyll" Etc. For Piano, "Sonata in C minor; twelve" Preludes "and six" Miniatures "(suite child); five" Studies ";" Five "Mazurkas" and three "Viennese Waltzes"; concert, "Three Berceuses" "Concerto No. 2" for piano and "Concerto No. 1" for orquestra.Arthur Rubinstein presented several pieces and presented Anatoli Kitain Hall Carnigie presented in the composition of Eduardo "Prelude in F Minor." The Orquetra Sinfonica Brasileira presented hundreds of works by Eduardo of which he himself excelled "Prelude for String" and "Concerto for piano and orchestra.Eduardo studied philosophy, theology and many hours per day with equal dedication to the music, to lecture to a select group of students, with the sole purpose of perfecting them, competent administrator transforms the lab he inherited from his father, one of the most important its segment, and its production successes in various areas combined produce beautiful book.Eduardo, marries a young socialite Iracema, pianist, artist plastica (traditional society of Alagoas and Rio), had two sons Dick Farney (Farnesio Dutra e Silva) famous conductor, arranger, singer, pianist, actor and presenter and Cyll Farney (Cylleno Dutra e Silva) known film and television actor, entrepreneur, musician.Eduardo Dutra and devoted himself Suiva follow very diligently to encourage the children in their artistic activities and was the biggest fan of the work they performed, died in 1953 of myocardial infarction fulminat.I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.

I asked a conductor from Sao Paulo to look into Eduardo Dutra. The good thing is that he knows people who knew Dick Farney. Let us hope.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

Is Dutra so important a composer that we should go this length ? Did he actually compose anything else besides this work (which sounds suspiciously like a piece by some Russian composer) ? The opus number suggests so but I'm starting to feel like this whole Dutra thing is a scam.No composer can be so obscure that only his Op.32 is known to the world. Either the rest doesn't exist or it is too bad to be remembered.

The point is another, Chris, and by this time has little to do with the merits or demerits of this composer. I do not like scammers and I would like to see this one exposed. Besides all that, I am not taking too much trouble about it, but since the condictor was here and I was giving him assistance... Why not ask?

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

So you think this Mariângela could be cheating us? Is she Brazilian?You're right, it's difficult to imagine a Brazilian writing HENRY Oswald. Henrique Oswald is such an important composer, and well known, and name translations is usually not done any more (in the past, almost one century ago, Brazilian scholars would write Luís de Beethoven, João Sebastião Bach, José Haydn...). How old is Mariângela?

I had already asked some people in my college who work with Brazilian music. They don't know Eduardo Dutra.The other problem is that Dutra is a common last name, so there are LOTS OF Eduard Dutras.

But there are things that are in common in these two texts. Did Mariângela write both of them?

Until now I've been silent on the Eduardo Dutra mystery. But now I'll add my two cents worth or conjecture. First, the handwritten inscription on the front cover of the "Preludio", Op. 32 to Neusa Franca signed by Dutra proves, for me at least, that he was a real person. I believe that Dutra's career was his laboratory business but that he also had an intense interest in composing. It's even possible he was able to have some of his music heard in recitals and concerts, although we've seen no printed programs or newspaper clippings that would verify that as fact. I do not doubt that he might have known some important and influential composers, musicians, artists and authors, and might have hosted them at soirees in his home from time to time. We know that he reprinted his own music, possibly because it was his preference, or that his music was not accepted and published as commercial sheet music. There is no doubt that Farnesio, his son, became Dick Farney, a well-known pianist and "crooner" who can be seen performing in several videos at YouTube. I recall in Rubinstein's autobiography My Young Years that he was a friend of Villa Lobos and his family, but I don't remember any reference to Eduardo Dutra.

When Dutra died, probably his wife, Iracema da Silva, might have stored his scores at their home. Where they were private and not published scores, perhaps libraries and archives would not accept them into their collections. When Iracema died, most likely Farnesio had the responsibility and burden of closing the Dutra estate. If there was a will, he probably distributed any bequests accordingly. As for the scores, where "Dick Farney" was into popular music, maybe he didn't share his father's enthusiasm for classical music, did not see value in them from his perspective, so disposed of those scores or at best put them in an attic. That would explain why they no longer seem to be extant.

As for Mariangela, she has mentioned numerous titles of Dutra's piano pieces especially that pique our curiosity, but she has never said where the sheet music may be found in this day and age. I speculate the reason is that she simply doesn't know so cannot be helpful in that regard.

That's my theory.

David

_________________"Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities." David April

Interesting theory. If true, it is a sad story, that almost nothing is left or even known about a composer of some merit. You should try get in touch with Dick Farney's heirs, maybe they can clear out their attic.

But people believe what they want to be believe. Your story contains all these words: possible, no doubt, might, might, possibly, no doubt, probably, most likely, maybe, speculate. It's largely conjecture, in other words.

But David: there was a younger brother, Cilenio (Cyl Farney) who died in 2003.

You also seem to pass over the fact that if all these pieces have been performed in public - and a ballet of piano concerto cannot be in private, unless one is King - by orchestras that are in existence in theatres that are extant by musicians who are living (and some of those on the list are) there would be some record of it. I wrote to Neusa França on Facebook and through Dib Franciss but received no reply. Pierre Feraux, who plays this piece, knows nothing - and he is a friend of Neusa's. I also wrote to Arnaldo Cohen, with no reply either. An enquiry to the Moreira Salles Institute (to which PS member Alexandre Dias is connected) and that was ignored too. I also notice that Alexandre, who also knows Neusa, does not say anything much.

As for that "biography" of Dick, that is also a fabrication, unless that is also among the non-published works.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

Sorry, I neglected to mention Cilenio. But I can say now that had he taken charge of the scores (we don't know that he did), then clearly he never did anything to promote them, or if he did make such an effort, then it it came to naught. This music is not to be found in sheet music stores. My conclusion is that he was no more effective than his brother Farnesio in preserving them. It makes it all the easier to tentatively conclude that those scores probably no longer exist--i.e., they were likely placed in the rubbish. As for the Preludio, Op. 32, it appears to be one happy, isolated, lucky fluke--a piece that made its way into Jacques Klein's library and Neusa Franca's studio. But not one other score so far as we know has met a similar fortuitous fate.

As for public performances of Dutra's music, while Mariangela's statements may be true, we've not seen any hard evidence to support that claim such as printed recital or concert programs or newspaper clippings by music editors or critics. Nor has a conductor, pianist, orchestra musician, musicologist, music teacher, concert goer, friend, acquaintance, or anyone else to date stepped forward to vouch for the great music of Dutra heard in the concert and recital halls of Rio de Janiero. Instead the response to date has been "I never heard of him." If we did have such evidence, then I would be more persuaded; but it still might fail to inform us of the whereabouts of the scores today.

I don't know if Mariangela is a scam or not. She has made numerous statements in two postings and claims to "own" Eduardo Dutra, but efforts to verify many of those "facts" have met a dead end.

I would like nothing better than to be optimistic and hopeful--who would not want to play another Dutra piece as appealing as the Preludio? But to date there has been no solid evidence of an extant treasure trove of scores by Dutra. I'm not trying to be a naysayer, but simply a realist as I consider this very odd situation.

David

_________________"Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities." David April

Yes, I used those terms to carefully convey that my theory was conjecture and speculation. Mariangela's postings make for intriguing reading, but we've seen no supporting evidence or heard from anyone else who could vouch for the Dutra narrative. Had I not used words like "probably, possibly, might be, etc.", then I would have been making assertions without any way to prove them. I wanted above all to avoid that perception.

Yes, it's a sad affair to be sure. Probably in his lifetime Dutra should have left very clear instructions in his will as to his wishes in the matter of his music scores upon his death.

David

_________________"Interpreting music means exploring the promise of the potential of possibilities." David April

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Yes, I used those terms to freely convey that my theory was conjecture and speculation. Mariangela's postings make for intriguing reading, but we've seen no supporting evidence or heard from anyone else who could vouch for the Dutra narrative. Had I not used words like "probably, possibly, might be, etc.", then I would have been making assertions without any way to prove them. I wanted above all to avoid that perception.

Yes, it's a sad affair to be sure. Probably in his lifetime Dutra should have left very clear instructions in his will as to his wises in the matter of his music scores upon his death.

David

Maybe he did and that is why nothing is extant.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

Another gobbledygook spam post from this shady person - cross-posted 4 times in different forums. There really is no point to this. I have removed this person (email address dickfarney@us.com ) from the forum.

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I am heiress to Dick Farney and I am available for more information on Dick Farney, Cyll Farney children and the Dutra Dr.Eduardo own Eduardo Dutra.

That is the point of it:a scam.

and again !

This is information and not conjecture:

Eduardo Dutra existedHe had a son called FarnésioFarnésio is Dick FarneyDick has a living son who is called EduardoHis estate is managed by the niece of his second wife who is... Mariangela!

Now if it is this niece who posted or someone else using her name is another thing, still, it seems I owe an apology.

_________________Richard Willmer"Please do not shoot the pianistHe is doing his best."Oscar Wilde: Impressions of America: Leadville

This was very beautiful playing. I like the piece. You conveyedthe intensely emotional, at times brooding, at times assertivenature. The harmonies and progressions in this piece are compellingand interesting.

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