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Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:50 am

Onlythebassist

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Re: Art Thread

Ok, just a few footpaw references for now - getting used to using my nouveau tablet

Views are Front, Side and 3/4 I think

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Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 am

DingoVolf

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Re: Art Thread

Oooh, starting with the hard stuff first?Personally if I can find an excuse to not draw hands and feet, I take it, because those seem the hardest to get right.

Of course there was that one thing that was just a hand and a foot, holding an electric banana, while tiny red dirigibles floated by, but that wasn't furry, it was just... odd.

Hey, speaking of which, here is a very old crayon and pen thing I did long ago while bored and in the vicinity of arting materials:

Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:13 pm

Onlythebassist

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:35 pmPosts: 247Location: Angleterre

Re: Art Thread

Very cool and colourful shades man

Yeah, feet and hands are two of the toughest aspects in my opinion. I've tried a bunch of different styles of hands/paws and none of them feel right when it comes to combining everything into a character. As for the loopholes around including them, that's probably why I draw so many characters in profile

Will try and upload some of the stuff I've sketched in terms of hands and just characters when I get a chance to photograph it (love the new tablet, but I'm a stickler for tradition - ergo pencil to paper)

Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:41 pm

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

Nice one Dingo, I like coloring on this drawing

And about drawing hands and legs, I finished today my drawing, at which I was working with drawing legs. Here is what I've got:

For head I used same sketch as for the previous one drawing, just to have a little less work with it (I'm very lazy ). Hands looks awful, but at this I'll work later. Main reason I drew it, was working at legs, because I've always have biggest problem with it. And I think, final result is quite good, there're still things I need to improve and I messed some things, but in general, they looks much better than in my earlier drawings.

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Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:10 pm

DingoVolf

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Re: Art Thread

Excellent! You are definitely improving, and I hope having fun with drawing in the process. :) I think most people start out just drawing out what they want the final piece to look like, without building it first. This can work with a great deal of practice, but in my opinion developing a great deal of patience and putting the time into figure building will more reliably get you a better looking piece of art.

Something that's helped me recently has actually been watching good artists draw. I don't know about DA or the other places, but FA is absolutely infested with people streaming themselves drawing or making arts. Just like everything else on FA, you need to be mindful what you look at, but a couple PG rated streams I like to catch are from Gen (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/genesisw/) and Cybercat (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/cybercat/).

Both post journals when they stream, both show you exactly how they build the art they do (it takes ALOT of work!), and Cybercat even has some tutorials on ootoob.

Hey I took your advice and did a little drawing myself. It is one of my "mimic" drawings where I basically sit 3 feet away from my screen and draw a random character I see.First one I have done is Maxwell! It still isn't quite the way I wanna do things but I think if I practice enough i'll be able to come up with my own stuff. You see if I tried this on my own it wouldn't look even half as pretty as it is now.... it'd literally be ears and a mishapen head because at that point I usually give after not being satisfied with it.

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@Jopencjusz We'll figure out this whole drawing thing together my friend. With A few baby steps at first followed by a leap faith into the odd and ever changing art community!! Keep at it man, i've seen some of your work and it's done nothing but improved. Also I like your detail on the foxes legs/feet you definately seem to have gotten that down. I look forward to seeing what you post next.

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Isn't it past your bed-time mister???lol it's past mine too. I Already did post to the fan gallery, dang man I think i'm obsessed i've just finished a drawing of Fox. I mixed the old artstyle with a wee bit of the new style just to see what would happen. I don't think it looks baad but it's still not perfect! (also it doesn't help that i get OCD when I try to draw)

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Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:02 am

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

@Dingo: Having fun always is in the first place for me and this is exactly why I'm drawing I 've never thought about something more, just to do something what I want and I like it. I'm watching some artists from a long time and for sure I could learn something from them. On the same time, I've never watched much streams or read tutorials about drawing, I'm catching most things straight from drawings.

@Duster: It looks really good, for the first try When I was beginning with my drawing, I've also watched lot of pictures and tried to "copy" some parts of it or redrawn characteristic for it elements/parts. You just need to practice and you'll for sure improve

I think Maxwell is really good character to draw as a practice character.

This is my very first Housepets related drawing. not a really good drawing though.

What're you talking about it looks fine to me. The fact that you drew it from your own stylings tells me that you know what you're doing. Maybe in a little while i'll show you how cruddy i draw from memory, don't get me wrong I feel like i'm improving but i dunno..... practice makes perfect I guess.

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Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:29 pm

0404

Re: Art Thread

you know, good artist always say that they are not a good drawer/artist. I think that's a culture of artist. but you shouldn't purposefully just say, "I'm not good at drawing"... ahhh it's confusing. anyway. I can't wait 'till to see your drawing Tex.

you know, good artist always say that they are not a good drawer/artist. I think that's a culture of artist. but you shouldn't purposefully just say, "I'm not good at drawing"... ahhh it's confusing. anyway. I can't wait 'till to see your drawing Tex.

Most of the time artists really shouldn't say either way.Coming out and saying your a good artist can sometimes be viewed as cocky, but it depends on the context. Theres no problem with you telling someone your a good artist so long as your humble about it. As for coming out and saying your a bad artist, most of the time its just for joking around (like a friend of mine who just draws stick figures who enjoys making fun of himself =P), but if its not in a light tone, it can be taken as either just being depressed about not being as good as they want to be, or just looking like someone who's only trying to get attention.

Me, I try not to sway either way. Sure, If I'm sending in a portfolio or being interviewed for an art job I'll pad my resume a bit (nothing wrong with that), but when I'm talking with friends and other people, I really don't care either way if I'm considered a good artist or not. I just like to draw, and so long as I enjoy drawing, you'll keep seeing me do it.

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Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:54 am

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

@ TinFoilHats: Yeah, it's really good way to start your day

@ texascat: Mimic is nothing bad, it helps a lot. When I was doing my first drawings, I was always using mimics.

And Maxwell looks pretty good, as for first ever time you draw something in HP! style. Look at my first drawings, which were based on HP! style, it didn't looks better.

Well, I'm not a good artist, so when I'm saying that I'm not good drawer, it's legit?

@ TheMobian:

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As for coming out and saying your a bad artist, most of the time its just for joking around, but if its not in a light tone, it can be taken as either just being depressed about not being as good as they want to be, or just looking like someone who's only trying to get attention.

Ok, now I'm afraid to ask in which category I am It's really confusing, because right now, as I think about it, my notorious comments about how bad I did something or how bad drawer I am, could be understand as if I'm just looking to get attention from others. I need to consider it, because I've never thought about it this way.

As for coming out and saying your a bad artist, most of the time its just for joking around, but if its not in a light tone, it can be taken as either just being depressed about not being as good as they want to be, or just looking like someone who's only trying to get attention.

Ok, now I'm afraid to ask in which category I am It's really confusing, because right now, as I think about it, my notorious comments about how bad I did something or how bad drawer I am, could be understand as if I'm just looking to get attention from others. I need to consider it, because I've never thought about it this way.

It is very confusing indeed But honestly, I wouldn't worry about it to much. Just be humble, enjoy drawing, and you won't have anything to worry about.

Every artist needs to understand that there is never a level of perfection to be reached, every artist has room to improve no matter how good they may get. Its how you approach the idea of not being perfect at art that defines whether of not your a good artist. A good artist is one who continues to try and learn and improve, a bad artist is one who refuses to learn and improve, or is impatient in learning what he/she needs to learn. You could have amazing skill in art, and create beautiful pictures, but if your not willing to learn and improve, you can't really be considered a good artist, in comparison, you could be just a sketcher, who's only just picking up drawing, but has a strong will to learn and improve, and get better through hard work. That is a good artist, and as far as I can see, your definitely a good artist.Keep up the good work bud!

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Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:57 pm

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

That's very interesting and a little unexpected for me interpretation of being good/bad artist, but you have a point at improving/learning part. This is definitely important thing and you could use it to define artists. Thanks, for your explanation

So I decided to share with y'all my latest scratching's to see whats, what. Hopefully the pic sizes aren't too big i'm still working on figuring out how to resize stuff to fit on the internet.I'm pretty much open to comments and suggestions so if you have anything you want to share then go right on ahead.

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Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:47 pm

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

It looks cool Duster, keep it up buddy and for sure you'll improve

Ok, now it's time for my newest drawing:

I've got request and this is effect of it. As for the first time drawing bear's head it looks in general ok, but I messed up with the "blue hair" part. Well, I'll need to work how draw this type stuff to looks better.

@Jopencjusz I like the bears head, it's symmetrical and has a dark brown that makes it look great. I really think you're starting to get the hang of this, just keep on keeping on and you'll get into the swing of things!

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Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:33 pm

0404

Re: Art Thread

Duster Wrote:

So I decided to share with y'all my latest scratching's to see whats, what. Hopefully the pic sizes aren't too big i'm still working on figuring out how to resize stuff to fit on the internet.I'm pretty much open to comments and suggestions so if you have anything you want to share then go right on ahead.

question, may I hug Joey?how do you start out with your drawing? do you give a basic shape/structure then draw over it? and next time try to draw it on plain paper instead of lose leaf. other than that, Kawai, meaning cute! I love it.

So I decided to share with y'all my latest scratching's to see whats, what. Hopefully the pic sizes aren't too big i'm still working on figuring out how to resize stuff to fit on the internet.I'm pretty much open to comments and suggestions so if you have anything you want to share then go right on ahead.

question, may I hug Joey?how do you start out with your drawing? do you give a basic shape/structure then draw over it? and next time try to draw it on plain paper instead of lose leaf. other than that, Kawai, meaning cute! I love it.

I'm VERY analytical! I just sit in my chair or on my bed and find a pic that I want to draw.I don't trace because that would require having a hard copy to draw over (also I don't have a working printer).As to how I start off, to be honest I try to find an area to start (usually the ears/head).Once I feel confortable where I started I try to analyze whatever it is i'm drawing to make sure i'm not distorting the pic in anyway.Rinse and repeat/ or erase as i'm prone to doing and eventually when i'm satisfied *voila* i'm finished.Afterwards I tweek and color the pic, and when i'm fairly happy with it I share it ~ cuz sharin' is carin'~!Anyways thats pretty much what I do in an eggshell.Now you got me kinda curious, why do ask?

Oh P.S. OK i'll try it out on plain paper. You see what happened is when I first started drawing I basically grabbed the first thing I saw and started drawing. P.P.S. Plus i'm Lay-z !

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So I decided to share with y'all my latest scratching's to see whats, what. Hopefully the pic sizes aren't too big i'm still working on figuring out how to resize stuff to fit on the internet.I'm pretty much open to comments and suggestions so if you have anything you want to share then go right on ahead.

question, may I hug Joey?how do you start out with your drawing? do you give a basic shape/structure then draw over it? and next time try to draw it on plain paper instead of lose leaf. other than that, Kawai, meaning cute! I love it.

Thats a very good question, as I had the same problem for a very long time with drawing. allow me to elaborate using these pictures...(I'm going to use sonic as an example here because 1: Most of my payed art jobs involve drawing sonic so I know him well, and 2: Because its easy to find pictures of him on google)

#1: I always start with a basic structure. Often when your just drawing one character, its easy to just sketch him out any way you want and build the background in around him, but when your drawing a cover or a picture with multiple characters on it, then you really have to think about where on the page your positioning the character(s). The best way to do this is with a base. Just simply draw lines and circles to show where you want the character to be, what position you want him to be posing in, and what way you want him to be facing. This is also a really great time to work on your autonomy, and make sure that all the character's proportions are in check (one of the most important things to note are the crosses on Sonic's chest and head, these are very important because we will be using them as a reference point on how to construct his facial expressions a,d body movement).

#2: Once this is done, you move onto the basic sketch. Essentially, this is where you add in the more major details that define the character, such as sonic's spines, facial features, and shoes. This is also the point in the picture when you really have to consider the perspective of the viewer, or "camera" if you will. In this particular picture, we are looking up at Sonic, so the lower half of his body is going to be closer to us then the bottom half. In these cases you want to draw those parts of his body that are nearer to the viewer bigger, to give the effect of Sonic looking like he's in 3D, as opposed to plat on a page. I could get more into perspective, but that is something that you pick up over time. For now lets just focus on drawing the character.

#3: Once you've finished with the major details, its time to go back and finish everything. this is where you add in the smaller details, such as the folds in the socks, the detailes on the shoes, and the fingers on the gloves (This particular artist also shaded everything, but I don't advise that). Once your happy with the picture, be sure to erase all your unwanted construction lines, such as the crosses on Sonic's head and chest, and any other stray lines. Look over it again one more time to be sure you haven't missed anything... and voila, Sonic the Hedgehog.

This is the way most professionals construct their characters and drawings. And although this is a drawing of sonic, it pretty much works the same way with most other characters. There are however many different types of bases to work from, so be sure to check out a few of the other methods used to find one that suites your liking.

btw texascat018, I really like your art style, its very unique Keep up the good work!

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Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:46 am

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

@Duster: Thank you very much

To be honest, I have very similar "technique". I'm starting with top of head, to adjust right size of the whole drawing, later I'm adding ears and finish whole head shape. At this moment I'm adding other things, like eyes, nose, muzzle, etc.

@ Jopencjusz@texascat018 It is just as TheMobian says if you want to draw an anatomically correct character one of the best ways is to draw a frame and proceed to fill in the rest of the scetch.I just haven't so far because i've been drawing with a #2 pencil, which does not erase well or have a good eraser. I do not recommend drawing like I do since the process of drawing for me is probably longer than it should be, also i'm afraid #2 pencil has its limits. My point is try practicing with drawing frames for characters and studying their general anatomy and eventually your art style should become much more organized!P.S. maybe i'll try drawing a character using this method, well we'll see.

@TheMobian What kind of pen/pencil/paper do you use when you draw?

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Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:06 am

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

Heh, I'm also using #2 pencil I don't care much about this type things, such as paper or pencil. I'm not going to try sell it to museum and also it's not something, that will bring me money, I'm just doing it for fun and eventually, to prove something myself (learn to draw something new, etc.)

Heh, I'm also using #2 pencil I don't care much about this type things, such as paper or pencil. I'm not going to try sell it to museum and also it's not something, that will bring me money, I'm just doing it for fun and eventually, to prove something to myself (learn to draw something new, etc.)

Hmm..yes, you do have a point there, but i'm just kinda curious is all.

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A little step up, try the Mirado Black Warrior #2B. A little softer and more easily removed. Can also try kneaded rubber erasers or eraser sticks. Wife and I always liked Pentalic Paper for pens because of it's ruggedness and smoothness (great for applying colored pencils to). An upgrade to the pens would be something like the Sakura Micron Pigma pens, in varrying nib sizes (or try the brush one for some fun/challenge).

By-the-by, EVERYONE - very awesome to see you guys being creative and making arts! TheMobian made a right kick-butt illustration there about figure building, and I know it can be work, but I definitely suggest you guys give that method a try.

OK Jopencjusz if you're up to the challenge then i'll keep at it as well! Let us see if we can breathe a little life back into this Media thread. Also here's my rendition of Fox drooling.

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For some reason I seem to have a harder time drawing canine heads as opposed to cat's heads. Not sure why, but this was not my purtiest drawing ever. Hopefully with practice it won't be such an issue in the future.

@texascat018 i'm gonna go ahead and post whats left of my loose-leaf sketches before I make the transition to plain paper and see i'll what happens after that.@Dingovolf Thanks for the tips man I currently use more or less the same materials as Mr. jopencjusz here but i'll keep what you said in mind in case I ever start getting more in-depth.

Once again thank you guys for the support!!

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Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:16 pm

jopencjusz

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:48 pmPosts: 1012Location: Poznań (Poland)

Re: Art Thread

It looks good Duster The main difference between canine and cat head is that cat's have shorter muzzle. Also canine's head shape is in general more "straight", while cat's head shape is more "round".

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Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:13 pm

0404

Re: Art Thread

whoooha, I missed a lot. I on exam mode, so I can't really participate an art party and reply all the questions, sorry. Keep up the good work Duster. He looks amazing, body looks good, his face expression, I love it!11 You seem to have good comical art style of drawing.

whoooha, I missed a lot. I on exam mode, so I can't really participate an art party and reply all the questions, sorry. Keep up the good work Duster. He looks amazing, body looks good, his face expression, I love it!11 You seem to have good comical art style of drawing.

See what happens when your gone for a day. By all means take your time and pass your classes, when you find some spare time we'll be here. Though i'm still kind of interested to see how you draw! Like TheMobian mentioned you do have unique style of drawing. Don't be a stranger texascat018!

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