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But those that use Linux are aware of the driver situation, and if one vendor "just works out of the box"... That will effect OEM's and workstation sells.

It is like XP. People use at work what they use home and visa versa.

If the guy that orders the hardware and software, are used to AMD on Linux, that just works, with no work done on his side, he is going to order AMD machines at work.

Most folk that use linux or have contact with linux don't even know it - it's mostly embedded or servers. The desktop market for linux is still tiny - even with netbooks

In this case the Nvidia binary blob still works better than any other offering for linux graphics. It has support for OpenGL 3.2 OpenCL and CUDA, mesa is playing catch up big time. Even flgrx isn't as advanced as the Nvidia blob

I'm not saying I like it - I use AMD and Intel, IcedTea and Chromium. The only blobs on my PC is firmware and Flash (and I'll switch to gnash or swfdec as soon as it works properly with chromium)

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But those that use Linux are aware of the driver situation, and if one vendor "just works out of the box"... That will effect OEM's and workstation sells.

It is like XP. People use at work what they use home and visa versa.

If the guy that orders the hardware and software, are used to AMD on Linux, that just works, with no work done on his side, he is going to order AMD machines at work.

Until foss drivers can match them in features and performance that won't happen. Even things like accelerated video acceleration foss X devs are reluctant to incorporate because of "possible patent" issues and that won't change in the foreseeable future. A corporate purchaser is not going to buy card that is more expensive to achieve less performance. Even if the foss drivers are eventually able to achieve 70% performance of their blob counterparts when it comes to purchasing the buyer is going to see that they get more bang for their buck (and more then likely cheaper) going with a blob solution.

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I'm starting to believe NVIDIA will have an hard time with linux at the end of next year and starting from 2011.
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Maybe in some professional areas, but are we sure on the long term a binary blob will win over open source drivers? ...

Phoronix did an interview with Andy Ritger fairly recently where his statements suggested that the "professional areas" are the big portions of their business.

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"There has been, and continues to be, significant Linux workstation interest from a variety of workstation segments (e.g., Oil & Gas, Automotive, Film and Broadcast, etc)."

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The difference between these blobs, and the AMD/ATI blobs, is in what they do. These blobs are definitions of the context-switching layout, used to provide hardware support for tracking state. ATI blobs are used to start up the CP/DMA engine, one level lower. Completely different things.

Also, these are non-trivial in size and not required for card operation, unlike the ATI blobs. Additionally, they're actually reversible; ATI's blobs are for custom, single-purpose chips which only use ucode for cost reasons, and it would not be useful at all to have them reverse-engineered since there are no additional features to be gleaned from them. (IIRC there have only been two updates to the ATI blobs, ever, and those were both for older Radeons, not current-gen stuff.)

It would be pretty amusing if Nvidia hardware ends up being better supported than ATI in Gnewsense because of this development.

Well, don't forget Matrox, either. But sure, you can enjoy nVidia cards. I'll be over here enjoying WiFi, and VLC, and 3D. (Although I guess you can have 3D too, since GLX is now free enough for FSF to not throw fits over.)

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Well, don't forget Matrox, either. But sure, you can enjoy nVidia cards. I'll be over here enjoying WiFi, and VLC, and 3D. (Although I guess you can have 3D too, since GLX is now free enough for FSF to not throw fits over.)

There's a reason I said it would be "amusing" and not "a huge blow to ATI". I might have to make some popcorn and open up the mailing list.