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Keith Mosher was lost in the world for most of his life, not sure if God existed or who he was. At the age of 35 that all changed when Jesus Christ made himself known in a way Keith could not deny. Now Keith is a Christian writer and Apologist who spends his time defending the faith, encouraging other Christian believers and serving in his local church.

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Q&A: How Do We Know God Created Anything?

In a recent post a visitor in the comment section posed a question, and it was a great question that I think a lot of people have asked. Now this person has never received an adequate answer from previous Pastors or Apologists and spent 25 years in ministry so I have my work cut out for me, but I love a good challenge!

Here was their question:

“Where did the God of the bible begin and how do we know that He created without the ability to verify it was Him specifically or that He was there to ‘Begin’ it?”

This question goes right to the foundation of the Christian faith, and points to the bedrock that we have to build our faith upon, Holy Scripture. You see, IF Holy Scripture IS a revelation from the God that created the universe to mankind then the answer to all of the above questions lie within its pages…

“Where did the God of the Bible begin…?” He didn’t begin, He always existed:Isaiah 40:28, Habakkuk 1:12, Revelation 1:8, Hebrews 13:8, Revelation 22:13, Proverbs 8:23, 1 Peter 1:20, Psalm 102:26-27, Psalm 146:6, 1 Peter 5:11… and on and on and on we can go. In an article I wrote while back, I explore this topic.

“How do we know that he created it without the ability to verify it?” and “How do we know he was there to begin it?” There is no scientific experiment that can be undertaken that would verify God created the universe, as this would by definition be a supernatural event. Science only deals with the natural world. To verify then, the only path is to examine the Holy Scripture that claims to be given under inspiration from God Himself.

Science however has helped support our beliefs in this area, as the Big Bang theory pretty well lines up with the record in Genesis 1:1. Now we know the secular world will never admit to a God and that’s OK, but the physical evidence that God created everything from nothing is there to be found. Science cannot rationalize a universe created from nothing. So men will speculate and put forth all sorts of theories such as the multi-verse, or the universe that created itself from nothing… huh?

Then there’s the flat Earth, it wasn’t until Aristotle in 330 B.C. that the prevalent opinion shifted to a spherical Earth. Of course the prophet Isaiah wrote about this long before that…Isaiah 40:22 (written around 700-800 years Before Christ)

If we exist within a universe created by God, who created all of the matter, time, and space, then it would be beyond us to imagine what lies outside of that creation. Is that eternity? Why call it eternity or infinity when those are measures of time as we know it? We have no idea if time exists outside of our known universe or not. As humans we strive to learn and understand and a big way we do this, is to create labels for things. This makes it easier to pass on to the next humans. But at some point, perhaps a bit of humility is in order? When a scientist says the Earth is 4.54 Billion years old and the universe 14 billion, I like to ask… how do you know the Earth isn’t 8 Billion years old? How about a Trillion? How can we guess the age of a universe that we cannot even see the ends of? The more powerful our telescopes become the further and further we see… with no end in sight. (https://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/5-8/features/F_How_Big_is_Our_Universe.html)

If the basis of the scientific method is to observe and repeat then how can numbers like 4 Billion and 14 Billion be tossed around as scientific fact? They are certainly taught as such in classrooms and colleges across America. We cannot observe anything from 10,000 years ago, let alone 1 Billion. We cannot repeat anything that far in the past because we can never be absolutely sure of the starting conditions.

“By dating the rocks in the ever-changing crust, as well as neighbors such as the moon and visiting meteorites, scientists have calculated that Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years.” – https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html

This of course makes sense from a Biblical perspective. In the book of Genesis God creates a fully grown or mature universe, followed by a fully grown man in the Garden of Eden. Adam was able to see stars in the sky (Genesis 1:14-15), and use them for their intended purposes. This of course means that the speed of light was absolutely NOT the same as we measure it today.

So what about the Bible makes you believe it is a revelation from God?

Up until this point I have spent some time showing how science is not an enemy of the Bible, but on the contrary scientific evidence helps support what the Bible has been telling us for thousands of years.

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” ― Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

Now I want to take some time to show strong reasons to believe the Bible is exactly what it claims to be, the inspired Word of God. The Bible is a collection of 66 Books (not one book) written by over 40 authors on 3 continents over the span of 1,500 YEARS. It is unlike any other literary creation in history and stands far above and beyond all others in number of copies discovered, number of languages translated into, number of copies distributed and sold and try as they might… skeptics have been trying to debunk and destroy the Bible for thousands of years…and have failed time and time again. In this article written a couple of weeks ago I list some amazing statistics concerning the Bible. Additionally here are three other big reasons to believe the Bible has divine origins…

1) Bible prophecy. If there was just ONE prophecy predicted in the Old Testament, fulfilled hundreds of years later, that should be enough to raise an eyebrow… but what if that number is dozens or hundreds? People who ignore Bible Prophecy are either unfamiliar or so blinded by skepticism no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Here are just a handful of Bible Prophecies fulfilled…

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejectedby men, a man of sorrows and acquainted withgrief;and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.

Isaiah 7:14 “All right then, the Lord Himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel – ‘God is with us.’”

Isaiah 9:6-7 “For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. And the government will rest on His shoulders. These will be His royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His ever expanding, peaceful government will never end. He will rule forever with fairness and justice from the throne of His ancestor David. The passionate commitment of the Lord Almighty will guarantee this!”

Isaiah 53:1,3 “Who has believed our message? To whom will the Lord reveal His saving power? He was despised and rejected – a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on Him and looked the other way when He went by. He was despised, and we did not care.”

Zechariah 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him,as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

2) Archaeology. There are literally thousands of artifacts and countless dig sites that have collaborated the historical accuracy of the Bible. This is an area of study that has widely been ignored by skeptics, and yet is one of the most compelling reasons to believe what the Bible has to say. Here are a few links on the subject matter:

You might hear skeptics claim that there have been many Biblical Archaeological finds debunked, like Noah’s Ark. That is correct. All fields of science have this same built in function of self-correction. Similarly there are a ton of evolutionary findings debunked. Disproving some claims in a field of scientific study does not diminish the field, it strengthens it.

3) Jesus Christ. Many atheists will be quick to call out “circular logic” when I make the claim that the recorded life of Jesus Christ in the Bible is a testament to the reliability and divine nature of Holy Scripture. First let me start with a fact some skeptics try very hard to ignore… nearly ALL scholars in the field of historical study agree that Jesus Christ was a real historical man that lived very much as the Bible describes his life, and died as described in the Gospel accounts. They obviously will not confirm any of the miracles Jesus performed, but that is an unreasonable request of a historian to begin with.

What we do know unequivocally is that Jesus was a poor carpenter who grew up in a very small corner of the world at a time when most of the population was illiterate. In his late twenties, early thirties he set out in ministry, proclaiming to be the Son of God. He was put to death because of his claim to be equal with God and has since become the single most influential person in all of human history. So much so, that the world today marks time itself with his birth.

We also know that many of his followers feared for their own death when Jesus was arrested and hid from authorities. They even denied Jesus. But after his resurrection and appearance from the tomb, those same followers became so vigilant in their beliefs that they died very painful deaths and never denied him again.

So what do you think? Did I provide enough evidence to show that the Bible is much more than the work of man? If not, how do you explain how 66 books written by over 40 people spanning 1,500 years is so beautifully interwoven and crafted with precision? If the Holy Scriptures are a conspiracy or a fake conjured to control the masses, imagine all of the people it would take pull that off, working in tandem over countless centuries.

No sir. I asked you how do you know not just any god, but the biblical God was actually there “in the beginning” to begin anything?
And where was he before? And who was there to record it for us to believe genesis 1:1?
Your post didn’t answer any of those.

You answered the questions you wanted to answer but they were not the questions I asked. Again, dishonest.
And how about my other question you ignored on the other post?
Do you understand the difference between not believing something to be True vs believing it to be false?

I wasn’t ignoring or dodging your other question, if you have forgotten… you went all stalker on me… threatening me on my own website and I told you to take a walk. Which you refused to do. I have no time for childish antics. There is Kingdom work to be done.

I will answer your other question though… you asked if I believed I was on equal footing with you, as you have 25 years of ministry experience, and I have only known Jesus for 11 years.

No I am not on equal footing. You are an Apostate, I am doing the work of the Lord and you are serving another master. There is nothing equal in that. If the Lord is with me, who can stand against me?

Hello Sheev thank you for your thoughts. My greater point is this, we do not know what happened 1 Million years ago, based on what we see and measure today. It is an assumption on many levels. In my worldview God created the universe in six days. This was a supernatural event, just like the creation of Man out of dust. This did not happen under the laws of science as we have constructed them.

Also does a fairly good job of explaining stuff. Now even if lightspeed could increase as you say, it would have to increase by much, much more than a fraction of a percent to compensate for the distant starlight problem. And that would probably kill us all as volcanoes erupted from the accelerated decay. The speed of light is not an arbitrary value that can be changed at will, it also affects a lot of other stuff too.

> My greater point is this, we do not know what happened 1 Million years ago, based on what we see and measure today.

Under such logic, all of history, all of archeology, all of forensics, is invalid. How do we know Napoleon existed? How do we know that dinosaurs existed?

> It is an assumption on many levels.

As we are not dead of radiation, I think it’s safe to say that those assumptions are sound. Also, we’ve used evolution and an old earth to literally predict where fossils are. Ever hear of human chromosone 2?

>In my worldview God created the universe in six days. This was a supernatural event, just like the creation of Man out of dust. This did not happen under the laws of science as we have constructed them.

If we can just wave off any and all objections with “because god did it” what’s the point? I could just as well say that the flying spaghetti monster did it.

It’s interesting to me how atheists love history and archaeology except when it supports the biblical narrative. Then it’s all hogwash.

Your assumptions of all the conditions of the universe a million years ago are sound because we’re not dead from radiation? That’s your answer??

Me and you both require faith, I may say God did it but I have Holy scripture… A Revelation from God to backup my statements. Your Faith however rests in time… Given enough time and any impossible scenario suddenly becomes possible.

>It’s interesting to me how atheists love history and archaeology except when it supports the biblical narrative. Then it’s all hogwash.

I was adressing your specific claim that we cannot know what it was like a million years ago.

>That’s your answer??

Yes. I already gave you reasons why the speed of light has probably remained constant throughout the ages. Now, if you have any counterpoints to my argument for a constant speed of light, I’m happy to listen. If those assumptions weren’t true, then we wouldn’t have been able to make all these predictions about fossils.

And if the speed of light, and by extension, radioactive decay, wasn’t constant, then our nuclear power plants and bombs would suddenly run haywire. If the speed of light increased by millions of times as you suggest, then since E=mc squared. . .

The energy in nukes would be millions of times higher than preduicted. Clearly, this doesn’t happen.

Sheev do you believe the Big Bang occurred? Because if you do, and you may not, but if you do then you would have to agree that the universe had a “Super-Natural” beginning.

What I mean, is the Big Bang defies ALL laws of science and nature as we have constructed them… so by definition that singular event had to be “outside” of nature as we know it.

Do you think the speed of light was 186,000 miles per second at that moment? Or faster?

You see I am not saying the speed of light would increase TODAY… I am saying God created the universe in a supernatural way…. and whatever we define as laws of nature or science are IRRELEVANT to a God who is creating a universe from nothing.

Now some people postulate the universe created itself and exploded out of nothing, on its own. How does that theory sit with your worldview? Is that more acceptable than a God?

“In order to cram billions of light years worth of distance into 6000 years, you need to accelerate the speed of light.”

This isn’t true if the universe was created in a mature state, as the Bible tells us. God didn’t have to speed up anything, he just created it so. Again we are trying to understand an event so powerfully supernatural with a very limited computer system… the human mind.

>This isn’t true if the universe was created in a mature state, as the Bible tells us.

We observe black holes sucking in stars, stars exploding. Even if light had been created in transit, the light resulting from supernovae would still take billions of years to reach us.

Also, why on earth would God give us false information? In fact, how do I know we weren’t created last week, with false memories implanted?

And radiometric dating. Oh, you talk about assumptions, but have you ever heard of genetic clocks? They also line up with radiometric dating methods. We’ve predicted exactly where fossils where. In fact, there’s this rock formation, I think it’s called Hell’s Creek, that was tested with five different methods. They all matched up.

And another prediction:

Living marsupials exist in South America and Australia. The two continents once formed a supercontinent with Antarctica. It was predicted that in rocks of the right age in Antarctica, marsupial fossils should be found. [Voila!](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17838631)

Secularist dating methods, along with secular biology, lined up to fulfil this prediction. If the Flood had occured, this would not have been possible.

The problem woth Creationism is that it’s unfalsifiable. If Tiktaalik had not been where it was said to be, if dating methods didn’t agree, if Evolution kept failing predictions. Then it would be falsified.

Imagine one day a UFO lands on the lawn of the White House and friendly Alien creatures emerge. They hand over a book of advanced science to us and claim it will help us advance faster than we ever imagined technologically. In this book is a cure for cancer. Our President takes the book, and gives it over to the leading scientific and medical minds of our day from around the world. They study it and are all in agreement. It’s the real deal. They even formulate a cure for cancer using the book.

Would you tend to believe the contents of this book are truthful? Would you have faith in it and trust it or be highly skeptical? Remember your answer. Now…

What if this event happened 2,000 years ago and millions of people from around the world come forward and testify how this Alien Science Book changed their life for the better… saving their lives. Would that make you more likely or less likely to believe in its contents? Did your answer change? Remember your current answer. Now…

Let’s say that even though the leading scientific minds agreed the book was truthful in its revelation, there still remained a LARGE majority of scientists who didn’t believe it, and wanted to stick to their understanding of science as they knew it before the aliens arrived. This number is big like 90%… but still the greatest minds disagreed. Does the fact that the majority of today’s scientists disagree influence your answer at all? After all this where do you stand? Believe the book or follow known science? What do you choose and why?

“You see I am not saying the speed of light would increase TODAY… I am saying God created the universe in a supernatural way…. and whatever we define as laws of nature or science are IRRELEVANT to a God who is creating a universe from nothing.”

I believe in the first 10 words of the Bible, because I believe in the revelation God has made to us. I believe everything we see in the universe directly points to God… in particular the complexity of life, DNA and the delicate balance needed across the universe for human life to be here at all.

Just because scientists observe something and then make an assumption on that observation, isn’t going to change my belief… because the revelation from God was too strong.

Here is another shining example of scientific assumptions at work… Lucy…

They took the bones on the left, and with nothing but wondrous imagination came up with the display on the right, to place in museums as PROOF of a missing link in human evolution. Guess what? Now they admit… she was just an ape. Absolutely amazing. You see that look of awestruck wonder in her eyes. How human!

So no, I am not too impressed with what scientists state are facts based on evidence they observe. They have a natural bias towards a universe that is 14 billion years old and must fit all of their observations into that framework.

Welcome. My blog is a place where readers will find writings of personal experiences, thoughts, and the peace that the Lord provides throughout my walk. I intend to bring inspiration and insight, as well as providing a very personal and transparent view into my life, in order to help others see their own lives in a different perspective. I strongly believe that we all need a different view at times, in order for our own personal growth to take place.