Monday, October 31, 2016

Poor old Glenn Beck has absolutely no idea what is coming for him or how thoroughly his feeble cuckservatism has rendered itself irrelevant:

There are words that you may not have ever heard before or heard sparingly. But now all of a sudden, they are everywhere. And other terms and ideas that were not a conservative driving force — for instance, trade barriers. That’s not conservative. How come trade barriers are now suddenly so huge? There are ideas that were never conservative, but most of us just go, “Huh. I must have missed something. All of a sudden, this is everywhere. I don’t know what that is.” The way they’re describing things with new spins, the ideas might sound really good. We just dismiss and support them or accept them. If you repost (phonetic), one of the easiest wonders to know, you are now entering the world of the alt-right is the cuckservative. That word was nowhere. What the hell is a cuckservative? Right? How many times have you thought of that?

STU: This is a weird segment, man. We started out with masturbation shows, and now we’re on to cuckservatives.

GLENN: Right. This is an easy sign to see that the writer has either been deeply influenced without his knowledge or is a member of the alt-right.

PAT: What is a cuckservative? I don’t know what that is.

STU: Yeah. Cuckold.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: It’s — eh. I mean, it’s not really stuff we can really talk about. But it’s basically — it started out as a racist slur, essentially.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: Saying that you don’t — you care so little, you’re giving up your wife to black people, is essentially the accusation. And when you are —

PAT: Oh, we’ve been cuckolded?

GLENN: Yes, yes.

PAT: Okay.

GLENN: But notice it has its roots in racism.

STU: Of course.

PAT: Uh-huh.

GLENN: So cuckservative is a cuckold and conservative put together.

PAT: Oh.

GLENN: This is a word specifically designed by the alt-right. So when you see that word, warning. That should be a warning sign. But most people are just like, “Yeah, I like that word, or what is that that word?” They either dismiss, it or they adopt it. Do not adopt it.

Cheetos McCuck doesn't understand the Alt-Right, he doesn't understand that the conservative movement is moribund, if not completely dead, and he doesn't understand that he can see what a cuckservative is by looking in the bloody mirror.

Look at these morons still trying to make hay out of being less racist than thou at a time when, as per Alt-Right expectations, white identity in America and nationalism in Europe is aggressively on the rise. And yet, they are STILL more determined to fight the Alt-Right than the globalist enemy that has repeatedly and thoroughly vanquished them.

At least he got this part right: It is causing the alt-right to — to have a fan base because they’re the only ones saying, “We have to stop this.”

That's why conservatives and cuckservatives alike are useless. Conservatives are too in love with their hypothetical propositions to be able to take a stand and cuckservatives are, above all, determined to avoid being called racist. Neither is in any shape to oppose the Alt-Right. They'll roll over for us even faster than they do for the globalists. As David French has demonstrated, all it takes is a few Pepe and oven memes to send them running away crying for help from the Left.

Glenn, if you want your listeners to know what a cuckservative is, you should probably have them read the definitive book on the subject, CUCKSERVATIVE: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America. As a bonus, they'll also understand why they find it increasingly hard to take anything you say seriously these days.

We as conservatives are for global trade. We are for — we’re not isolationists. We are not our country is better and your country sucks, so we should be able to destroy you. We should be proud of what we have, just like I’m proud of my country — my family. But that doesn’t make my family better than your family.

Globalist is now a term to describe anyone. Notice anyone who is for free trade, is now a globalist. People who were deep — deeply respected intellectual conservatives. Krauthammer, George Will, they’re now cuckservatives and globalists? Jonah Goldberg is now a globalist. I am now a globalist. That word is being thrown around everywhere. But it’s thrown around by people who are in the alt-right.

That's because free trade IS globalism, you gurning, Cheetos-dusted equalitarian cuck. Free trade REQUIRES the free movement of people who aren't any better or any different than anyone else and the total destruction of nations and national sovereignty to function.

Sadly, we will be hearing from these cucks for the next four years as the left media hires them to be the pet conservatives who attack Trump. Erickson has been in both the NY Times and the New Yorker this month.

I may never eat another cheeto. Possibly, Beck has sold out to save some of his money. He spent loads on starting his 'empire' and has lost huge with his base. At one time I listened to him regularly. That train left its station quite some time ago.

Just put up a sign: "We Conservatives are too damn stupid to observe what's happened in the last 30 years since we embraced the gospel of free trade, and we are going to conserve our willful ignorance."

@12More to the point, cucks like Will, (((Krauthammer))) and the rest have been wrong. Over and over and over again wrong, wrong, wrong. Well, ok, maybe Will was right about something in baseball, I don't really know about that.

How many times can a prognosticator be flat out wrong before nobody cares? Looks like we find out in Current Year.

Beck has always reminded me of a college guy who is on the verge of dropping out because he takes waaaaay too many pills in order to cram for exams and then doesn't quit taking them. If he falls over on set some day due to a stroke or aneurysm it won't be a surprise.

It may or may not become popular, but they are in the process of redefining "free trade" to include the easy international movement of capital and people. Essentially they are equating low trade barriers to globalism, which it is not or shouldn't be. Alas... more tampering with language.

The CONservative stance on America:The United States of America is exceptional country historically. Just don't go and think that means it is better. It is actually much worse and more racist, but we'll fix that by bringing in more of those we have oppressed.

This is a gun specifically designed by the germans. So when you see that gun, warning. That should be a warning sign. But most people are just like, “Yeah, I like that gun, or what is that that gun?” They either dismiss, it or they adopt it. Do not adopt it.

"Let's use stones! It is so tradicional". And then cucks lose again and again and again...

Of all the mentally broken people in politics today it seems the cucks are the worst off, probably that little bit of loyalty to "shame" they still harbor within themselves. My guess in a year or two they will be so broken as to be the worst of the Left.

How the hell did we ever fall from Eisenhower saying he didn't want his daughter marrying a google to gibbering and squealing frantically in abject, prostrate submission in front of everything brown, while calling for the annihilation of our own people, in less than one human lifetime? Has to be one of the biggest "wtf"s in history.

Beck, the Mormon Messiah, is crashing. He thought, along with the rest of the GOPe, that their open borders, free trade, propositional nonsense was the defining nature of conservatism. In reality, the rank and file was willing to tolerate some of it but that toleration has reached its end. The result is Trump, the unabashed nationalist.

LOL. Those are "highly respected" cuckservative midwits. (Anybody need a sticker for their book? Perhaps a nice meet-n-greet on a cruise ship?) Krauthammer and Will were opposed to Reagan in 1980 and now they are opposed to Trump. They're transparent neocon shills. Sad.

I wouldn't blame Irving Kristol, ultimately I would blame Reagan. Reagan was so successful that "conservatives" have been trying to replicate Reagan over and over and over again without figuring out WHY and HOW Reagan as successful. In short, conservatives became cargo cultists. Performing the Quadrennial Reagan-Rituals would bring "cargo."

Gingrich came closest to figuring it out what to do in 1994, but his own lack of discipline and his hubris did him in and kept others from attempting to refine his methods.

Two obvious data points occur. First are the Neo-cons who were anything but Conservative. The second was National Review who's primary function as far as I can tell was to identify emerging Conservative talent, nourish it, and then promptly read it out of the movement.

I wouldn't dismiss the influence that Beck's religion has played in informing his Cuckservatism. Their collective embrace of anti-racism is indoctrinated into the faithful Mormon plebs to maximize the potential for conversion of non-white tithing payers to further stuff the "church" coffers. Just wait until they cave on gay marriage, then it will really be obvious that the Mormon high priesthood would sell out thier primary demographic (dumb white churchians) in a heartbeat if they think it means higher profits.

"Cuckservative" only seems to be defined by people who have no idea what it means. If I understand the term myself, "cuckservative" makes the analogy:

USA = your wife

immigrants (etc.) = guys screwing your wife

Cuckold = guy who lets other guys screw his wife and father children who will take everything from his real offspring. Also a guy who has a fetish for that.

Cuckservative = a "conservative" with a fetish for encouraging immigrants to screw the USA and dispossess the original American people. They have other loathsome propensities, such as cowardice and anti-White politics but that is their core.

"That's because free trade IS globalism, you gurning, Cheetoh-dusted cuck. Free trade REQUIRES the free movement of people and the total destruction of nations and national sovereignty to function."

Free Trade is one of those rubber terms (like "openness") that bend easily.

It can mean the absence of tariffs. In this case, your statement above is hyperbolic. There is no need for free movement of people or the destruction of sovereignty in order to abolish tariffs.

Now, increasingly when a globalist states that they are in favor of "free trade", they mean "removing obstacles / barriers to trade". And yes, border controls, differences in regulation and laws and the meddling of national legislatures can all be "barriers to trade" or somesuch.

I think Beck began losing it when Huckabee failed to get elected. He is a Mormon and they have a prophecy that they (the LDS Church) will save the country "when the constitution hangs by a thread". He's probably been in a crisis of faith since then. That he takes such pains to show that he isn't a racist shows that he is either ignorant of his cult's history or chooses to ignore it.

The model of Free trade, which has never existed in the era of Nation States, relies on three assumptions for stability. They are: immobility of labor and capital, hard currency (gold standard) that will allow currencies to appreciate/depreciate if there is an imbalance, and inability of the more advance country to simply conquer and parasitize the less advanced country. These conditions have never existed in the modern era, anywhere...

Beck has an excuse. He did that 'Cheetos' stunt and one or more got lodged up his nose. We all know those things aren't designed to dissolve inside the human body.

As for the rest of them, I'm thinking crayons or possibly Lego blocks, but they don't seem intellectually curious enough for those pursuits. After all, they can't get either the origin or meaning of the word 'cuckservative' right, and Google, for all its faults, isn't terribly hard to use.

The neoconservatives may have come to power under Reagan, but the foundations were laid mainly by Irving Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz who were influenced by the relativistic political philosophy of Leo Strauss at the University of Chicago.

His true idiocy is trying to portray cuckold as racist. This term was used back as early as the 14th century and William Shakespeare referred to the term in his plays. It has nothing to do with mudsharking at all.

Cuckservative is a perfect term for people like Beck and his ilk. The fact he doesn't get it and it goes right over his pointy little head is just entertainment for the rest of us.

We should be proud of what we have, just like I’m proud of my country — my family. But that doesn’t make my family better than your family.Yes, yes it does. My family is better than your family. Ontologically, practically, theologically, genetically and objectively better. Better looking, smarter, stronger and more able to impose their will on the world. Get used to it.

Globalist is now a term to describe anyone. Notice anyone who is for free trade, is now a globalist. People who were deep — deeply respected intellectual conservatives. Krauthammer, George Will, they’re now cuckservatives and globalists? Jonah Goldberg is now a globalist. I am now a globalist. That word is being thrown around everywhere. But it’s thrown around by people who are in the alt-right."Bad thinkers! Bad thinking badthinkers!Run! Run for your very virtue!!!!They don't like all the (((intellectuals))) who have been exploiting them while rendering them silent and powerless for 60 years!

They used to make hamster wheels that had two spokes on each side that would, twice per revolution, go past the support strut. That meant that, if the hamster turned his head while spinning the wheel, it would get jammed between the two. The faster the wheel was spinning, the more damage it would do.

My wife's aunt owned a pet store. One day I was in the store when a hamster decapitated itself while some grade school kids were watching.

That's Glenn Beck, decapitating his rationalization hamster every day on live radio, then fishing a new one out before the wheel stops spinning.

Beck goes on a long rant in that transcript about how Russian influence created the alt-right. Today, Harry Reid is giving multiple interviews claiming that he received classified briefings that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government. So apparently the next thing coming soon from the media distract-o-matic will be that Trump is a Russian spy.

Let me see if I understand. According to Beck, the Alt-Right is made up of Communist Nazis who are being supported and trained in terrorism by the Russians under the direction of a former KGB bigwig. And the Nationalists want to turn their nation's resources over to a Globalist One World Bank. (Isn't "one world bank" alt right code for a certain (((tribe))).)

So now Putin is going to control the world. I thought the 146th Iman was going to use Iran to install a Global Muslim Caliphate and make all the Mormons have more than one wife or something?

I'd almost suggest it is time for a "Appeal from the New to the Old Whigs" type piece. But there isn't much left of the old-right that is recognizably different from the Left thanks to the Trotskyite infestation of Neo-cons. They have been reading out all of those who don't belong with them anyway to the point that if you are still called a "conservative" and not of their ilk, you are due for a crisis of conscience.

Ironsides wrote:How the hell did we ever fall from Eisenhower saying he didn't want his daughter marrying a google to gibbering and squealing frantically in abject, prostrate submission in front of everything brown, while calling for the annihilation of our own people, in less than one human lifetime? Has to be one of the biggest "wtf"s in history.

pyrrhus wrote:The model of Free trade, which has never existed in the era of Nation States, relies on three assumptions for stability. They are: immobility of labor and capital, hard currency (gold standard) that will allow currencies to appreciate/depreciate if there is an imbalance, and inability of the more advance country to simply conquer and parasitize the less advanced country.

I would disagree here. It was always envisioned to allow free movement of labor. It just wasn't possible. The argument has routinely gone that if Louisianan is the best port city for supplying the middle of the country then skilled dock workers should relocate there. It never assumed you would make it as a dock worker in New Mexico. The problem with this model scaled to global proportions is now becoming apparent because the cost of living is so disparate between countries and transportation is continually getting cheaper. The only way to balance the scales would be for all manufacturing workers to move to Mexico/China/Africa. That simply does not work when cultural differences and expected standards of living are introduced.

I'd argue that "cuckservative" is racist in the conventional use of the word, and there is no need to run from that. Nobody is called a cuck for adopting a Russian orphan or advocating tax aid for poor Appalachian counties.

Someone needs to explain to Glenn that he is still a cuckold if he gives his wife up to other white guys. I would send him a thumb drive of all of Shakespeare and Chaucer's works but it would get lost under his 5' tall pile of cuck porn.

Jeigh Di wrote:I think Beck began losing it when Huckabee failed to get elected. He is a Mormon and they have a prophecy that they (the LDS Church) will save the country "when the constitution hangs by a thread". He's probably been in a crisis of faith since then.Ah yes, the White Horse Prophecy-- it's not doctrine or prophecy, but rather a popular story which confirms cultural beliefs. Some individuals believed and believe it, but it's inaccurate to consider this the position of the church itself. Beck, as a relatively recent convert, would likely be unaware of the history behind this "prophecy." Most US Mormons have been heavy "Constitutionalists" by culture, but touchy-feely modernism seems to be pulling many modern members away from this old-fashioned belief in the Inspired Constitution.

That he takes such pains to show that he isn't a racist shows that he is either ignorant of his cult's history or chooses to ignore it.Yeah, the church's relationship with blacks has been a problematic one for most of the 20th century. Even at the highest levels of leadership (the 12 Apostles), it was a contentious topic since the 1950s. Some realized that the exclusion of blacks from the priesthood was never an official doctrine, and others contended that it was a tradition which had to be continued simply because it was traditional (and they tried to find justifications to explain why it should be considered doctrine.)But the current members have to virtue-signal quite hard to prove that they're over that now, ever since 1978. Many other denominations have felt pretty smug about those joseph-come-lately-Mormons who took such a long time to get with their progressive positions. Many new converts get smacked in the face with it and don't know how to respond, since they haven't the historical knowledge.

Susan @ 56 "This term was used back as early as the 14th century and William Shakespeare referred to the term in his plays."

And the constant theme whenever the term is used is ridiculousness. The cuckold himself might see his situation as a tragedy, but to everyone else he is a laughingstock. That's one thing all the earnest conservative frowny-faces don't get about the term: it's being used as an expression of *contempt*. The cuckold is a fool or a weakling; he's unmanly, and has lost what's his because he's too feeble or stupid to defend it.

True, the Reaganites were influenced by Neocons like Kristol and Moynihan. I wasn't trying to deny that. [As an aside, I can't be too hard on Irving Kristol. He started as a socialist and discovered it sucks and changed sides. I come down much harder on Bill Kristol (for example) because he hasn't learned anything and changed -- he's just parroting the same talking points of his father].

But Reagan was more than just Straussian talking points inserted into a Hollywood Actor and set loose on the electorate. The "conservative movement" such as it is/was became calcified and stagnant ever since Reagan's last election.

Like the cargo cults of the South Pacific, the conservatives (myself included when I counted myself among them) simply tried to perform superficial Reaganite rituals and expect cargo to arrive shortly thereafter. The GOPe simply pretends that if they tweak this dial, pull this lever and hit go that it will all get fixed. Hispanics voted for Reagan and so they must be natural conservatives, if we just get the ads right.

They all promise to be "another Reagan" -- we don't need another Reagan, we need something different.

Lookit, "free trade" is irrelevant in Current Year no matter how you define it. The simple fact is, a free people cannot profitably practice free trade to advantage with an unfree people, a poorer or inferior people, or a mercantilist people (especially that last one.) And since so much of our "free trade" is East Asian mercantilists and poor, incompetent, overpopulated browns, the only working definition of free trade is that we're trading away all our stuff for free.

Just searched wikileaks.org for "Macklerr"-- no results. Plus the wording of the "email" is very suspicious (to good to be true). Likely disinformation from the other side, meant to discredit the actual emails.

Anyone posting real wikileaks info would typically link to the source. Image file only is highly suspicious. They want you to spread this kind of crap, so they can point to it and say "Look at these ridiculous fakes that they're promoting!"

@83 WF Cuckley?The problem with Machiavelli is that you do need to accomplish your goal. The problem with purging all those who would fight for Tradition is that only the Cucks were left.

I just thought about it and the insults about the gays being "interior decorators" and effeminate is now an insult to Gays (like Milo). The Cucks are as bad or worse in the effeminacy department.

The most humorous part is that Beck has firearm advertisers. Dana Loesch is more likely to actually use a gun than Beck. Beck has the license to own a machine gun. He won't use it. In a contest where he had his Tommy gun, and I had my tiny CCW backup, he'd be the only one shot.

"The free movement of people is not required for free trade. I could explain why this is so but..."

See this is why economics is a set of sophisticated inclinations but not a genuine science. Everyone in mathematics knows precisely what a cosine is, and that an isosceles triangle is not one. But a whole room full of coneheads can never agree on what, exactly, a vaguely-worded concept like free trade definitely is.

@85, Free Trade also needs a fixed medium of exchange, so Mexico can't devalue the Peso (v. dollar) so to give an instant import 20% tax and 20% export subsidy. During Ricardo, the Gold (and silver) would move opposite the goods causing inflation and deflation and an equilibrium. I won't go beyond that (as Vox goes further to explain the deeper flaws) but simply note that you are arguing angels dancing on the head of a pin in a fiat currency world.

"It may or may not become popular, but they are in the process of redefining "free trade" to include the easy international movement of capital and people. "

I heard that in the late-2000's from a commie prof in college. In grad school, an econ prof used it as an example of an idea economists think makes good economic sense but politicians won't agree with it. The truth is international trade, by definition, is global. Ergo, it is globalist.

Also, Beck has shown his inability to understand. We never let the media describe the American right as a Euro right. What a buffoon.

@25 Marry a google? That's a new one.

"Krauthammer and Will were opposed to Reagan in 1980 and now they are opposed to Trump."

@29 No ****?!? I was born in '86, ergo don't remember Reagan's '80 or '84 run. Why does that not surprise me that they opposed him...

"Reagan was so successful that "conservatives" have been trying to replicate Reagan over and over and over again without figuring out WHY and HOW Reagan as successful."

@31 It's something "conservatives" don't get. The man was successful, in part, due to the time he was POTUS: we had the Soviets on the march in Afghanistan, etc. and he thought, "Ok, maybe NSC-68 can go bye bye and we can finally commence rollback." Whenever some Republican/conservative, etc. wants to bring up Reagan, I always yell at the TV, "He's dead and has been since 2004!" The man did serious harm, long term, to the country too: no fault divorce and friggin' amnesty.

"I think Beck began losing it when Huckabee failed to get elected. He is a Mormon and they have a prophecy that they (the LDS Church) will save the country "when the constitution hangs by a thread". He's probably been in a crisis of faith since then. That he takes such pains to show that he isn't a racist shows that he is either ignorant of his cult's history or chooses to ignore it."

@47 Not to start a flame war here but wasn't he originally Catholic? Maybe it's time to go back Beck.

"Today, Harry Reid is giving multiple interviews claiming that he received classified briefings that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government."

@58 The American people's response to Reid. Also, he should know better than to divulge class info in an unclass setting...maybe they can fine him as he's on his way out of the Senate.

Unless he is a dealer, there is no "license" to own a machine gun. If you can find one for sale and you can afford the price you fill out a Form 4 listing the weapon and it's serial number, pay the $200 tax, send the ATF your first born child and wait 6 months to take possession. This also applies to other NFA items such as suppressors. There would be no reason to fill a Form 4 out, unless you were buying or transferring an NFA item.

In a general sense it is. However, since people are independent actors (unlike merchandise), they can have good will or bad will toward the country they are entering. This, when taken into account, means that a filter must be placed on people entering the country.

So, as an example, are people allowed to come to my house? In general, yes. But if I find out about a person that wants to harm me, then they are not allowed. That does not negate the general rule that people are allowed to come to my house.

Or, said another way, free movement of labor assumes that the people entering are nothing more than labor. Since people are more than just labor in other contexts, it is outside the scope of "free trade" in those contexts.

tz wrote:@85, Free Trade also needs a fixed medium of exchange, so Mexico can't devalue the Peso (v. dollar) so to give an instant import 20% tax and 20% export subsidy. During Ricardo, the Gold (and silver) would move opposite the goods causing inflation and deflation and an equilibrium. I won't go beyond that (as Vox goes further to explain the deeper flaws) but simply note that you are arguing angels dancing on the head of a pin in a fiat currency world.

Unilaterally a country can stabilize its currency, whether through a gold standard or via discipline with fiat money (yeah, I know we are dealing with humans but it's a different topic). If they do, then all transactions will be in the stable currency. The other country trying to manipulate their currency will have to deal with the consequences of such.

Look at it this way - every transaction will be beneficial to each side or the transaction would never occur. Sure, if one side has a gov't that is manipulating the currency, there will be some people left holding the bag when a big swing happens. But it won't happen often or your country will lose all its trading partners.

Here is what to remember: Almost everything that is imported is owned by someone in the importing country - it is not the property of the people in the country it came from.

In a general sense it is. However, since people are independent actors (unlike merchandise), they can have good will or bad will toward the country they are entering. This, when taken into account, means that a filter must be placed on people entering the country.

So, as an example, are people allowed to come to my house? In general, yes. But if I find out about a person that wants to harm me, then they are not allowed. That does not negate the general rule that people are allowed to come to my house.

Or, said another way, free movement of labor assumes that the people entering are nothing more than labor. Since people are more than just labor in other contexts, it is outside the scope of "free trade" in those contexts.

I stand corrected. You're also logically challenged. It doesn't matter WHY you put limits on the movement of people and labor, the point is that the limits exist.

You might as reasonably argue that a country can impose tariffs and still be practicing free trade.

"A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music do not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

— Confucius, Analects"

https://infogalactic.com/info/Rectification_of_names

It strikes me how corrupting and perverting the language is the prime directive of Progressives.

The Cato Institute has been premier proponents of Free trade and ObamaCare. Last time I checked they are libertarian not conservatives. Personally, I just follow the money and see where Beck gets his money...

I disagree that free-trade requires the free movement of people but I do agree that the globalists are those who are committed to the free movement of people and that such globalists have taken over BOTH political parties, when they only represent the voters of one party.

The not-at-all-conservative globalist Republicans constantly betray those they promised to be loyal to. They are cuckolding us, and those who are part of it or acquiesce in it are properly described as cuckservatives. It is an excellent term, based on a fully accurate analogy.

I just disagree that conservativism is in any way passe or is in any way represented by these anti-conservative cuckservatives. The term brands them as betraying the conservatism they promise to represent (enforce the damned border) but never do. It can't at the same time be a term for actual conservatives.

Deplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair wrote:Not to start a flame war here but wasn't he originally Catholic? Maybe it's time to go back Beck.Yes he was. We don't want him back. The Moronites seem to like having him.re:googlesIt's a play to fuck Google.com. They were removing pages from their searches that used the word "nigger". Now to filter it out they would have to take a hit themselves. Same for Skypes etc.

Well you see, sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't... and on the other hand...

Very insightful Yorzhik. Keep up those definitive positions and soon even VD will be proclaiming you an economic genius.You aren't trustworthy. Never trust anyone that cannot discuss a topic in general terms.

VD wrote:In a general sense it is. However, since people are independent actors (unlike merchandise), they can have good will or bad will toward the country they are entering. This, when taken into account, means that a filter must be placed on people entering the country.

So, as an example, are people allowed to come to my house? In general, yes. But if I find out about a person that wants to harm me, then they are not allowed. That does not negate the general rule that people are allowed to come to my house.

Or, said another way, free movement of labor assumes that the people entering are nothing more than labor. Since people are more than just labor in other contexts, it is outside the scope of "free trade" in those contexts.

I stand corrected. You're also logically challenged. It doesn't matter WHY you put limits on the movement of people and labor, the point is that the limits exist.

You might as reasonably argue that a country can impose tariffs and still be practicing free trade.

So I would say that if an individual in a country wants to contract with a person from another country for labor, that they should be free to do so.

I would also say that if the state said that the person was a criminal and not allowed in the country then that is an exception that shouldn't have to be mentioned every time free labor is discussed.

For instance, I could contract to buy labor from a native of the country, but if the state said they were a criminal and took them to jail, it's not an exception I would have to mention every time I said I wanted to hire someone, would it?

I'm sure Bob Murphy would agree with my exception, would you also say he labels himself a free trader incorrectly?