How rude. Yes, it's ordered alphabetically. By that metric, Alabama is #1. I'm not about to look for which states have the highest scores and order them myself. CBA.

You get a superb education system that helps keep you rich and you think they're overpaid? Fuck it, pay them the levels of Mississippi. See what happens as your state becomes deeply impoverished as everybody moves away.

The public unions (The teachers have most certainly been the most villainous of the 3 in question) are the entire reason... THE ENTIRE REASON we're in this financial mess we're in. I don't know how much more crystal clear I can make this.

Then don't lay them off? How about you stop making them pay for more stuff they should get and did get? That's a bit of a shitty trick, expecting them to take massive theoretical paycuts. They have mortgages and lives, you know. Most people would revolt at 11% pay cuts.

You're not actually reading what I'm saying. There's no money TO pay them. None. It's NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

The teachers' union can honestly get fucked with pinecones. They're nothing but leaches who don't even pay taxes in this state since most of them live in fucking PA.

They haven't been earning their keep and it's time for them to go. Most of them barely have a bachelor's degree. You shouldn't be allowed to fucking teach with a bachelor's degree! Master's at LEAST. That's how Finland does it IIRC.

Eh, it's the area around DC giving them false statistics.

Got some evidence for that?

Their education system has a whoooole bunch of shit to deal with, not the least some of the biggest numbers of immigrants in America and the gang problems. Education spending includes things like paying for police and security. I doubt Cali is actually substantially putting in more per person.

Nevertheless, you found the one "blue" state and bang on about the one "red" state. Overall trends still show you very, very wrong.

If you want to bitch and moan about the multitude of red states, why don't you accept that they'll continue to be red and then find out what Texas is doing so goddamn right that the rest of the South is fucking up so hard?

And ignore the teacher in number #49 who actually has the education and the statistics to prove his point. Are you sure you aren't anti-intellectual?

Came up with it during the election. It's a position in Islamic governments, so I thought it would be a fitting jab given the idiotic idea thrown about by some Republicans that Obama is secretly a Muslim. My nickname for Romney was Mittens McBumblefoot.

denial of facts, or like Romney said we cant let fact checkers get in our way. just disgusting how the far right constantly wants to rig and lie and cant stay on the facts. or like romney said we cant let fact checkers get in our way. THAT tells everything you need to know about the far right.

I'm going to trust PolitiFact over you, champ. They've won a Pulitzer and are famous for being the most nonpartisan political news source around.

What'd you win?

---------- Post added 2012-11-17 at 07:48 AM ----------

Originally Posted by araine

Well we always know right wingers likes to blame anything bad on the working poor i mean the crash in 2008 was created by poor people as well wasnt it?

And the 2008 crash was caused by both the banks and people borrowing money they couldn't afford. Blame is shared.

Just pointless to discuss with folks that think the weakest and the most vulnerable in the country is the reason anything bad happens.

We have greedy folks pitching hizzy fits over 14cents on a pizza. It just shows what view of the world they have and it is all GREED GREED GREED and more GREED. And always blame the weakest and the most vulnerable. Even if we put min wage at 1cent the far right would still complain it is too high.

And just want you to know Sweden have no min wage must be a good place for business i mean ZERO min wage but Sweden had 15% inflation in 1980 i know i was around at that time.

And with no min wage laws in Sweden how come Sweden had 15% inflation you just said "" causing MORE inflation "" How can something a country doesnt have cause more inflation it is proof enough that blaming the poor is just the typical right wing scapegoat.

You're being disingenuous.

Sweden has fairly reasonable corporate tax rates and you know full well that the lack of a legislated minimum wage is offset by the near-ubiquity of unions setting minimum wages in given sectors PRIVATELY.

And please for the love of fuck don't compare Sweden to the US. Their policies creep the shit out of me. I'm not even talking about their taxes or welfare. I'm talking about the absurd amount of regulations and things they can do to people.

How rude. Yes, it's ordered alphabetically. By that metric, Alabama is #1. I'm not about to look for which states have the highest scores and order them myself. CBA.

Then don't complain it's unordered because you're lazy.

The public unions (The teachers have most certainly been the most villainous of the 3 in question) are the entire reason... THE ENTIRE REASON we're in this financial mess we're in. I don't know how much more crystal clear I can make this.

I think it's the banks tbf

You're not actually reading what I'm saying. There's no money TO pay them. None. It's NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

Be that as it may, if someone makes a commitment to pay then they should. What would a slight raise in taxes accomplish? Perhaps a 0.1% raise in the sales tax?

The teachers' union can honestly get fucked with pinecones. They're nothing but leaches who don't even pay taxes in this state since most of them live in fucking PA.

I do have a genuine problem with teachers not living in-state to where they teach. It's more a moral and community issue than tax one though.

They haven't been earning their keep and it's time for them to go. Most of them barely have a bachelor's degree. You shouldn't be allowed to fucking teach with a bachelor's degree! Master's at LEAST. That's how Finland does it IIRC.

But nobody is willing to pay them wages equivalent to a Masters degree though - and I should know. I have one.

Got some evidence for that?

You were right; it was the built up areas, especially around the coast as well as up by DC

Oh no, in a state of 9m people (just under twice the population of Finland) you found two small examples, oh no.

If you want to bitch and moan about the multitude of red states, why don't you accept that they'll continue to be red and then find out what Texas is doing so goddamn right that the rest of the South is fucking up so hard?

Don't be ridiculous, we simply disagreed. You're not the arbiter or rightness and nor am I.

Nah. It's clearly a lack of pay equivalent to the jobs who also have professional degrees, a lack of homogeneity, a lack of centralised structure, a reliance upon local taxes severely inhibiting poorer districts, a severe disparity in pay between nicer states and poorer states perpetuating the problems, a blatant overreliance on STEM as a solution to all ills and significant social problems of people like you attacking teachers implying education is not worthwhile.

I'd say those are far more important problems.

And I see plenty of reason, given that's where I teach. A significantly shit education system ran by Republicans causes a constant cycle of brain-drain and economic downturn.

Also, who really wants to fund the black schools here? Certainly not the state government.

You are kidding me, you are a teacher with your willful racist attitude, how the hell do you manage to keep it in check when you are teaching?

Infracted

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Came up with it during the election. It's a position in Islamic governments, so I thought it would be a fitting jab given the idiotic idea thrown about by some Republicans that Obama is secretly a Muslim. My nickname for Romney was Mittens McBumblefoot.

I read the bold and can only think of

Also don't forget that Hillary started the whole secret Kenyan thing.

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Originally Posted by LilSaihah

I picked Biden because he may throw Obama into the Death Star's reactor core, restoring balance to the Force.

I love Conservatives. They only have like 3-4 arguments and they cycle endlessly.

It is easy to predict where they are going since they always re hash the same old scapegoats. And always the problems are caused by poor people or sick people. I just hope they keep up the insulting views for decades since we will have a lot easier to get them voted out of office when they do.

You have to be kidding me? you are a teacher with your blatant racist attitude? how do you manage to keep it in check, while you are supposed to be educating students?

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I was under the impression that ND's energy industry led them to the strongest growth, and this is consistent with that.

last check they had less than 15,000 unemployed people in the entire state... and no... that's not a typo, less than fifteen thousand state-wide are unemployed

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