Anyway, the LGS owner also OWNS a pistol range. He's got some Swiss Sigs (40-50 yrs old) and a Sphynx (imagine a CZ and HiPower merged...). He also had a surprising amount of traditional pistols (not a bad thing) and is going to let me try out a Swiss Sig and a Sphynx - gratis...!

We'll see what we can see... I might post pics, but all gun range pics seem the same.. lol.

BTW - the Wiki stuff about Switzerland wrt guns is mostly crap, so it was nice to run into a guy who is pro-gun and proud of it.

I've seen pictures of FCSA shoots there and, to get 1000 yards, they shoot across a valley wth a public road inbetween the shooters and the targets. They sure have some different attitudes towards shooting there.

That's what has confused me for almost 5 years. Most of the populace are anti-HAND-gun.

Yes, Swiss Military Service is mandatory.
Yes, Swiss Military conscripts are required to bring their Military issued guns and ammo to their homes. But - if they OPEN or use the ammo without orders, that is a big problem, possible fines or at worst, jail time

In general, most folks do not own rifles or handguns and argue against private gun ownership, with the exception of hunting. I've mentioned that I own several handguns, and - you know the look - ("He's a nutcase..")... I always amend that statment with the - "I'm a target shooter, and support the right to own a firearm."

It's complicated. But YES - you are correct, there are a lot of gun ranges for the Mil conscripts here... I hear them in the afternoon shooting...

Rifle Case - K11 is far right, K31's next to that, P57's (?) are automatic. Some 3 burst, some full rock and roll. Some lever actions. Didn't get the prices of them...

Not such a great picture. These are Olympic rifles. Don't know a thing about them. Or what they cost.

One of two pistola cases. Surprisingly he had an all-Inox Italian model for 1125 CH/Francs (about $1 USD = .9 CH/Franc). The price on the other guns in the shop were all in line with USA prices. He had a Beretta 70 model in 22LR for 300 Swiss Francs... Said no one is interested in 22LR... It had the longer barrel with target sights... Had a few Glocks...XD's.

I get to the right train station, guy picks me up on a small scooter and a rifle bag! (?) He drives way to fast for those tiny little tires (with a chubby 54 year old on the back) and viola, we are at the entrance to the range. It's UNDERGROUND!

Sphynx (left) and Sig P210. He said it's also called a '9011' - the 210 was used by military. I don't know..

I shot okay with the P210. I think it was 8 rounds. Had a few flinch problems. It has mag disconnect safety, so trigger could have been even better. I had a heck of a time with the old style mag release. (Push mag release on bottom of gun with thumb and pull mag with rest of that hand).

Here's where it gets REAL INTERESTING. He pulls out an old S&W 22LR with a silencer!
I couldn't hit crap with it. The can just outweighed the gun. (See target last pic).
Family picture. Later he pulled out later model P220 (range gun).

I talked to coworkers about how nice the range was. None were even neutral to 2A. Some said I must be a 'dangerous person' to want to shoot a gun. Some went on rants about how dangerous America is and all the violence in America.

Without going overboard, I explained the numbers - 300+ million Americans, any kind of violence is blown all over the press. 8 million Swiss, a violent event is hidden by the press. In fact there was a town where where 2 people were killed in a shooting a couple of days ago.

And yet, the pro-gun Swiss myth lives on. Very confusing. The LGS owner was obviously the exception.

To be honest, I'm not really brony, just had to play along with the whole avatar thing.

He lies, he posted in the secret Brony thread multiple times. He is still in the closet but trolling with his ava. He is a member of the herd.

The swiss attitude towards their arms seems more Nationalist, in many ways more true to form of our Founders attitude towards the 2A, rather than our more modern reclamation movement.

__________________
...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

...oh and did you know the Swiss have one of the strongest currencies in the world? So much so that the Swiss central bank has to keep "putting it down" so it doesn't get too strong and inhibit exports.

Quote:

Originally Posted by meaty-btz

The swiss attitude towards their arms seems more Nationalist, in many ways more true to form of our Founders attitude towards the 2A, rather than our more modern reclamation movement.

You may be on target there, they have fiercely protected their neutrality. The national desire for arms may be rooted in that concept.

.

__________________

The deterioration of every government begins with the decay of the principles on which it was founded. Charles-Louis de Secondat (1689-1755) Baron de Montesquieu

In America, freedom and justice have always come from the ballot box, the jury box, and when that fails, the cartridge box.

__________________
If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.
-Samuel Adams

Hi, which gunshop did you go to, what street was it in? I'm gonna be there (actually 300 yards from Bellach station) for the next 6-7 months so would be good to find a friendly range.
Thanks!

Dude PM me. I swear I got on the train in Solothurn and Bellach was like a mile or two away.
I can try to hook you up with the owner of the range. I've tried for years to shoot at a public range, but it never worked out until I met the gunshop owner.