@mynd
yes Penello did say that too. he also said that If ur not lead software engineer ( and another one I can't remember) then you're not smart enough to be debating this kind of stuff anyways. the words tech specs don't matter literally came out of his mouth

No he didnt. What he said was

The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless

Thats not saying they dont matter.

What he says about having the debate of comparing is this...

For me, I'd rather not even have the conversation, because it's not going to matter,

So no he never said tech specs don't matter. He said for him, the debate is meaningless.

I'm sorry to say, but I've seen a whole lot of people (not just on this forum, mind you) start singing a different tune when it comes to hardware performance ever since this rumor surfaced. It all seems a bit odd for me, because when I put a timeline to how events have transpired regarding the specs of this machine, there's been a second helping of flip-flopping going on.

It all begs one question.. Was the XBone ever really worth $500 to anyone? As things stand now, with people jumping on-board this rumor, it seems as if people were't truly convinced by even the games shown at E3. Interesting, that.

The surest sign that you are on the right side of a debate is when you find yourself against those who are stuck in the past because they have no future.

I'm sorry to say, but I've seen a whole lot of people (not just on this forum, mind you) start singing a different tune when it comes to hardware performance ever since this rumor surfaced. It all seems a bit odd for me, because when I put a timeline to how events have transpired regarding the specs of this machine, there's been a second helping of flip-flopping going on.

It all begs one question.. Was the XBone ever really worth $500 to anyone? As things stand now, with people jumping on-board this rumor, it seems as if people were't truly convinced by even the games shown at E3. Interesting, that.

Even at £429/500 even if they put 16gb of Ram in it's still too expensive! The one thing XO has got going for it is games but the price is putting most people off especially with the PS4 being so much cheaper!

The $500 price tag is and never was a concern for me. The Xbox One has awesome performance, awesome game line up, great multi-tasking features, improved Xbox Live, looks great and is going to fit perfectly in my TV stand. Now just ship the Day One console to my house already!

Bragging rights go a long way too help the initial and ultimately the general perception of consoles these days. Just take a look at/remenice the console wars this generation. 12 GB over 8 GB and a smaller gap in GPU will go along way in maintaining the Xbox One's swager.

Edit: "No one" will ever bite "The Power of The Cloud" though. It was a fetal attempt from the start.

The $500 price tag is and never was a concern for me. The Xbox One has awesome performance, awesome game line up, great multi-tasking features, improved Xbox Live, looks great and is going to fit perfectly in my TV stand. Now just ship the Day One console to my house already!

I expected to pay at least that much because I was getting Kinect 2 regardless. The game line up does look great and 2014 looks to be even better.

Even at £429/500 even if they put 16gb of Ram in it's still too expensive! The one thing XO has got going for it is games but the price is putting most people off especially with the PS4 being so much cheaper!

Yep. That is why I'm getting PS4 first. Just as awesome lineup of games and the $100 savings will allow me to buy more of them. I'll consider X1 when the price is more reasonable.

Unless the board was already designed to have up to 12GB of RAM, but I couldn't imagine that they would just have the extra room on a console motherboard unless they were thinking about doing this from early on and were just covering for the possibility.

Then there's the fact that 9GB of ram takes a while to fill from just a 7200 rpm hard drive, guessing it "could" fill quicker if they also draw data from the BR drive and faster hard drive.

As for increasing the GPU speed, maybe they've solved heating issues and/or fabrication issues? Or maybe it's all just rumor to boost hype?

The x1 and x360 architecture is similar. When MS decided to add an extra 4gb of ram to the 360 they done this by putting it on the back side ofvthe mother board. They probably will do the same for the x1 .

Lmao ...these guys are some of the best engineers well versed in their profession.

True and the final specs haven't really been revealed yet. It would be great for devs if they added more RAM. Either way I think it gonna be more than powerful enough from what i've seen. Maybe they will just go with what's in the dev kits which is supposedly 12 GB.

The x1 and x360 architecture is similar. When MS decided to add an extra 4gb of ram to the 360 they done this by putting it on the back side ofvthe mother board. They probably will do the same for the x1 .

MS added an extra 4GB of RAM to the 360? lol The 360 only had 512MB of RAM.

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