Speeding up tennis courts - Tennisopolis : Tennis Social Network2016-12-09T16:04:18Zhttp://tennisopolis.com/forum/topics/speeding-up-tennis-courts?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe players are staying back…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-06:1869403:Comment:9854382012-12-06T00:22:08.750ZPaul Atreideshttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/PaulAtreides
<p>The players are staying back because modern racquets make it too easy for the back court player to rip passing shots. Even a dtl slice approach, a foot from the corner, with some bite on it, can get ripped for a cross court winner about 1 out of 3. Another 1 out of 3 the net man will get passed on the 2nd shot. That's 2 out of every 3 approaches ending in a pass winner within 2 shots. Then there are the UE's on the part of the net man. The percentages are just too low for attacking the…</p>
<p>The players are staying back because modern racquets make it too easy for the back court player to rip passing shots. Even a dtl slice approach, a foot from the corner, with some bite on it, can get ripped for a cross court winner about 1 out of 3. Another 1 out of 3 the net man will get passed on the 2nd shot. That's 2 out of every 3 approaches ending in a pass winner within 2 shots. Then there are the UE's on the part of the net man. The percentages are just too low for attacking the net as a primary tactic to be a winning approach. You have to save it for when you have no choice, or as a surprise tactic.</p> Perhaps that is why coming to…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-05:1869403:Comment:9851152012-12-05T06:39:27.563ZTim Praponghttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/TimPrapong
<p>Perhaps that is why coming to net has become less used. The pros would rather hit an inside out and stay back, rather than get burned going DTL inside in and risk getting passed crosscourt, or get burned coming behind inside out and get burned by a DTL pass!</p>
<p>Perhaps that is why coming to net has become less used. The pros would rather hit an inside out and stay back, rather than get burned going DTL inside in and risk getting passed crosscourt, or get burned coming behind inside out and get burned by a DTL pass!</p> Yeah, I started to add but le…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-05:1869403:Comment:9850152012-12-05T04:07:44.195ZHal Wagnerhttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/HalWagner
<p>Yeah, I started to add but left off that it depends on where the opponent is, I'm talking about if he is in the middle they will power it inside out most of the time.</p>
<p>Yeah, I started to add but left off that it depends on where the opponent is, I'm talking about if he is in the middle they will power it inside out most of the time.</p> Yeah, Djoker left it wide ope…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-05:1869403:Comment:9850132012-12-05T00:37:22.429ZTim Praponghttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/TimPrapong
<p>Yeah, Djoker left it wide open with that inside out FH but I couldn't tell if Fed hit that BH DTL long. Fed doesn't look happy afterwards. lol</p>
<p>Well, if they are approaching well into the ad box, and the opponent is off in his backhand corner, I'd think they'd do well to go up the line, unless the guy has an amazing running FH like Sampras or Del Potro.</p>
<p>Yeah, Djoker left it wide open with that inside out FH but I couldn't tell if Fed hit that BH DTL long. Fed doesn't look happy afterwards. lol</p>
<p>Well, if they are approaching well into the ad box, and the opponent is off in his backhand corner, I'd think they'd do well to go up the line, unless the guy has an amazing running FH like Sampras or Del Potro.</p> Funny Joker does the same thi…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-05:1869403:Comment:9851392012-12-05T00:24:59.392ZHal Wagnerhttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/HalWagner
<p>Funny Joker does the same thing on the next point. But, if you watch that first point it is not really a true approach shot, looks like Fed hits a solid in side out fh and then says, "ohh crap I should move in" and then gets burned. The inside out approach is tricky, sometimes I think they hit it thinking they can close that gap, also they may naturally want to attack the BH side. Lastly, if they are well into the ad box when they hit a FH approach and go up the line to the opponent FH they…</p>
<p>Funny Joker does the same thing on the next point. But, if you watch that first point it is not really a true approach shot, looks like Fed hits a solid in side out fh and then says, "ohh crap I should move in" and then gets burned. The inside out approach is tricky, sometimes I think they hit it thinking they can close that gap, also they may naturally want to attack the BH side. Lastly, if they are well into the ad box when they hit a FH approach and go up the line to the opponent FH they can't cover the FH cross court pass which is an easier change of direction shot.</p> That was a bad decision by so…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-05:1869403:Comment:9850932012-12-05T00:07:49.633ZPaul Atreideshttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/PaulAtreides
<p>That was a bad decision by someone who isn't that comfortable at net.</p>
<p>That was a bad decision by someone who isn't that comfortable at net.</p> Here's another similar point…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-12-03:1869403:Comment:9847752012-12-03T20:10:16.815ZTim Praponghttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/TimPrapong
<p>Here's another similar point where Federer makes the same mistake against Djokovic: 2007 Montreal. I have it cued to the right moment.</p>
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<p><a href="http://youtu.be/ZNFhKS9xhJk?t=8m19s" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/ZNFhKS9xhJk?t=8m19s</a></p>
<p>Here's another similar point where Federer makes the same mistake against Djokovic: 2007 Montreal. I have it cued to the right moment.</p>
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<p><a href="http://youtu.be/ZNFhKS9xhJk?t=8m19s" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/ZNFhKS9xhJk?t=8m19s</a></p> But that is what I am getting…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-11-29:1869403:Comment:9839872012-11-29T17:41:08.966ZTim Praponghttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/TimPrapong
<p>But that is what I am getting at, a cross court shot is a tactical error. Giving up that much space is a big mistake. Especially on match point against the Djokovic down the line backhand, his strength.</p>
<p>In chess, a tactical error is never made up by athletic ability. A tactical error, though not a blunder, can lead one to an inevitable loss.</p>
<p>But that is what I am getting at, a cross court shot is a tactical error. Giving up that much space is a big mistake. Especially on match point against the Djokovic down the line backhand, his strength.</p>
<p>In chess, a tactical error is never made up by athletic ability. A tactical error, though not a blunder, can lead one to an inevitable loss.</p> Federer's inside out forehand…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-11-29:1869403:Comment:9841652012-11-29T16:51:14.816ZPaul Atreideshttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/PaulAtreides
<p>Federer's inside out forehand was, in effect, a cross court approach shot - a tactical error. Plus, he was a bit far back to come in, so he gave Djokovic extra time and his choice of cc or dtl to pass. If he had hit down the middle, or hit a backhand down the line, he would have had a better chance. In any event, it wasn't as if Federer gave Djokovic a big target dtl. He covered it as well as anyone could even though he hit the wrong target. Djokovic just hit a great shot. </p>
<p>Federer's inside out forehand was, in effect, a cross court approach shot - a tactical error. Plus, he was a bit far back to come in, so he gave Djokovic extra time and his choice of cc or dtl to pass. If he had hit down the middle, or hit a backhand down the line, he would have had a better chance. In any event, it wasn't as if Federer gave Djokovic a big target dtl. He covered it as well as anyone could even though he hit the wrong target. Djokovic just hit a great shot. </p> Good example is the very last…tag:tennisopolis.com,2012-11-29:1869403:Comment:9841472012-11-29T07:06:09.042ZTim Praponghttp://tennisopolis.com/profile/TimPrapong
<p>Good example is the very last point of the World Tour finals against Djokovic. He was well too far to the left to come in and approach on an inside-out forehand. </p>
<p>A former tour friend of mine pointed out Fed's chop volleys. I agree, he doesn't force a baseliner's shots into his favor the way McEnroe used to. He almost just sits there expecting them to fold on a few of them.</p>
<p>Good example is the very last point of the World Tour finals against Djokovic. He was well too far to the left to come in and approach on an inside-out forehand. </p>
<p>A former tour friend of mine pointed out Fed's chop volleys. I agree, he doesn't force a baseliner's shots into his favor the way McEnroe used to. He almost just sits there expecting them to fold on a few of them.</p>