Star Trek Discovery

The Emperor was called The Emperor so people would be surprised to see Michelle Yeoh again. Very "skillful" working around that issue.
Also, in a universe where genocide is daily business, I'm not sure they are worried about political correctness, like using female titles.

Or that the title is not one to denote the sex of the person holding the title but rather to denote that the person holds a specific title, as in Micheal being referred to as Sir? Or how the Queen of England is also the Duke Of Lancaster?

Seriously Looby you're reaching now, to the point that you have to ask why do you bother watching if all you're doing is looking for mistakes?

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Looking for mistakes and finding them are two different things, yet am pleased you see it as a mistake. Consistently inconsistent, is the only constant DISC has.

There is a body of work that spans 50 years here, it would be inappropriate and egregious to ignore it - and that's before you consider the dialectics of character design.

Once you establish (in Star Trek) that a female Emperor is called an Empress (In a Mirror, Darkly pt II) then that's that. If you wish to subvert nomenclature, then that is fine, but it must be covered and explained as to why it has happened. In this instance, all it would need is one line by a side-character to say "She didn't want to be referred to as 'Empress' for reasons-that-are-not-important" and; you are covered.

The writers appear to incorrectly view this as a tradition more honoured in the breach than the observance.

In Star Fleet, one is allowed a seniority privilege of being referred to in or out of traditional rank, which has always echoed British Naval nomenclature (citation needed). This was established (will allow to be corrected if there are instances further back in the history of Star Trek.*) in STV S.1Ep.1:

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JANEWAY
Ensign, despite Star Fleet protocol, I do not like being addressed as 'Sir'.

KIM
I'm sorry...Ma'am?

JANEWAY
'Ma'am' is acceptable in a crunch, but I prefer 'Captain'.

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Now, in this instance of Micheal being addressed as 'sir', that is protocol unless otherwise stated which is hasn't, so, 'sir' it is.

also something tells me the emperor of a brutal regime who calls themselves emperor is free to call themselves what they want

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Agreed - but it must be established if it contravenes prior established norms, which it hasn't.

*I think there is the remote possibility that Deanna Troi was addressed or referred to as 'sir' in the episode 'Disaster' by Miles O'Brien, correcting Ensign Ro - but it's been a few years since I've seen the episode.

Looking for mistakes and finding them are two different things, yet am pleased you see it as a mistake.

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I can;t be bothered debating this with you but let me assure you that at no point did I say it was a mistake, and no doubt you are going to us some backwards logic to explain how I actually do consider it a mistake so let me be 100% clear I consider it strange that they opted for a non sex specific nomenclature, I find it strange that the Enterprise episode that brought about this entire alternate Universe had no issue reffering to Sato as an Empress but I do not consider the non sex specific nomenclature 'emperor' and it's usage in the recent episodes of STD to be a mistake. I do however notice that you chose to not answer the question that if all you are doing now is watching to pick holes in story plots and reference no matter how: stupid, small, insignificant or petty as they may be then why on god's green f*cking earth do you bother watching the show at all?

I can't be bothered debating this with you but let me assure you that at no point did I say it was a mistake, and no doubt you are going to us some backwards logic to explain how I actually do consider it a mistake so let me be 100% clear I consider it strange that they opted for a non sex specific nomenclature, I find it strange that the Enterprise episode that brought about this entire alternate Universe had no issue referring to Sato as an Empress but I do not consider the non sex specific nomenclature 'emperor' and it's usage in the recent episodes of STD to be a mistake. I do however notice that you chose to not answer the question that if all you are doing now is watching to pick holes in story plots and reference no matter how: stupid, small, insignificant or petty as they may be then why on god's green f*cking earth do you bother watching the show at all?

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Apologies. I took your sentence apart regarding mistakes and reforged it. It was slightly petty, I agree.

This thread is not about why Loobyluggs is or is not watching the show, it's a discussion thread about the show - and yes, if I find mistakes (I was not looking for them) I will raise them.

I do try and give examples and comparisons, but you gotta realise that with 50+ years behind it, the lore is the law.

If you have been exposed to this lore, you will be dragged kicking and screaming out of the show every-time there are mistakes. I wouldn't wish to give an analogy, but it's no different than having Gandalf turn up in a Ferrari and playing drum and bass, with a dizzy blonde in the passenger seat...

GANDALF
(bobbing his head to the music)
C'mon Frodo, let's get dat bling-ring outta the shire' motha fackaaaa!

Apologies. I took your sentence apart regarding mistakes and reforged it. It was slightly petty, I agree.

This thread is not about why Loobyluggs is or is not watching the show, it's a discussion thread about the show - and yes, if I find mistakes (I was not looking for them) I will raise them.

I do try and give examples and comparisons, but you gotta realise that with 50+ years behind it, the lore is the law.

If you have been exposed to this lore, you will be dragged kicking and screaming out of the show every-time there are mistakes. I wouldn't wish to give an analogy, but it's no different than having Gandalf turn up in a Ferrari and playing drum and bass, with a dizzy blonde in the passenger seat...

GANDALF
(bobbing his head to the music)
C'mon Frodo, let's get dat bling-ring outta the shire' motha fackaaaa!

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Seriously, it really is as bad as that.

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Sorry for OT, but I guess you've seen / heard of "Lord of the Weed"? German satirical dub?
"Have you ever witnessed a 5000W bass machine?!"

2) Any Klingon that would NOT of shot/attacked/killed another Klingon standing in that room addressing the high council, with basically a threat; is basically NOT a Klingon.

She wouldn't have even finished the sentence "I hold in my hand...".

Does anyone else get the feeling the entire speech at the end was...gee...I can't even finish my thoughts on that...

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R1, No Klingons are red blooded, What ST series or movie did you get purple blooded from?
R2, "I hold in my hand" (how would they know the completed sentence would not be)... a dead man switch which will destroy Kronos upon on my death or flipping this switch.

R1, No Klingons are red blooded, What ST series or movie did you get purple blooded from?
R2, "I hold in my hand" (how would they know the completed sentence would not be)... a dead man switch which will destroy Kronos upon on my death or flipping this switch.

R2, "I hold in my hand" (how would they know the completed sentence would not be)... a dead man switch which will destroy Kronos upon on my death or flipping this switch.

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I was exaggerating. It was basically a vague threat that no Klingon would allow. You have an underground bomb that can cause a chain-reaction linked by WiFi to a hand-held device...not hard to figure out a way of stopping it.

Also, do you really think Klingons would respect something as dumb as a planet-wide kill-switch? You would be first against the wall for having absolutely no honor, and your family name would be tarnished forever.

^^Visuals never really bothered me in Trek, i can watch TOS with the old or new effects, whatever takes my fancy at that time, but as for this, i loved it, i am more interested in story than visuals and if i get to see more of P and E history on screen via Discovery then i am all for it, hell drop Discovery and crew and we can all board and follow the E with P and crew, and that would do me fine.

^^Visuals never really bothered me in Trek, i can watch TOS with the old or new effects, whatever takes my fancy at that time, but as for this, i loved it, i am more interested in story than visuals and if i get to see more of P and E history on screen via Discovery then i am all for it, hell drop Discovery and crew and we can all board and follow the E with P and crew, and that would do me fine.

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Yeah, blow up the Discovery, make Michael the E's barber and make the show about discovery with P and company

They still messed it up, and to what end? Seriously, what was the point of having it there? What plot line did it meet? What element of the story you had seen up to that point that necessitated its inclusion?

EXT - SPACE - USS DISCOVERY
The ship banks and changes heading. The warp nacelles power up and Z-ZAP the ship fly's off into the distance with a BOOM. It is gone.

DISSOLVE TO - CREDITS

See, they could've done that. Not shown the thing at all. There was no reason to show what they did and I can only conclude that it was a cheap novelty item, intended to pacify Trek fans into thinking this abomination of a television show has anything to do with Star Trek in any way, other than the name.

I just wrote in less than five minutes an ending better than the one they shot. In five minutes. Five.