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I grew up in a rural area, and I had a rifle from the age of 12. But it sure as fuck wasn't stored in the corner of my bedroom, and my parents wouldn't EVER allow me to use it unsupervised, loaded or not.

Marketing guns to/for children is obscene. Guns are a serious, dangerous tool that should be treated with reverence and extreme care. These kinds of companies treat them like toys, with the result that the people who buy them often do the same.

I was trying to show the virulent cynicism of marketing tools of murder to children. You can keep being a 12 year old and insist that I was trying to be funny - like I said, totally tone deaf - or you can cut it out. You're pathetic right now, and it's really sad you chose this topic to pursue your petty dislike of me.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Rolling Stone did a piece a few months ago about how the gun industry is aggressively targeting the youth market. What better gift for your 10 year old daughter than a hot pink AR-15 rifle?

To goose future growth, the gun industry is aggressively marketing guns to children as young as the first-graders slaughtered in Newtown. "By the time kids are in fifth grade, or even before, they're already being pulled away by the allure of video games, organized sports or other activities," said Bud Pidgeon, president of the U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance, which along with the National Rifle Association and three other prominent gun groups oversees Families Afield. In less than a decade, Families Afield has pushed more than 30 states to jettison regulations that protect kids from guns – removing age restrictions on hunting licenses or no longer requiring that children take a gun-safety course before going hunting with Dad.

The seduction of youth goes far beyond hunting. Online ammo superstore MidwayUSA is particularly aggressive in promoting youth shooting, sponsoring events like National Take Your Daughter to the Range Day, for "girls six and up." A photo posted on the event's website under the heading "Shoot Like a Girl" shows a dad helping his daughter, perhaps eight years old, aim an AR-15 with a collapsible stock and a monster clip.

And, to continue building the market, they're also aggressively targeting women, preying on fear to sell weapons which, ten years ago, were considered completely inappropriate for civilian use.

When it's not making guns cuter for women, the industry is preying on their fears. Laura Browder, author of Her Best Shot: Women and Guns in America, has described the archetypal gun ad: "The police are nowhere to be found; it is up to a woman alone to ward off the sexually threatening 'predators' of the city." Only with a gun, the industry tells women, can they defend themselves "against anonymous violence, a task that the government is clearly not up to." Gunmaker FN Herstal designed its Five-seveN pistol to fire rounds that can pierce body armor on the battlefield. Back in 2000, a leading gun magazine deemed it "obvious" that "neither the gun nor the ammunition will ever be sold to civilians." Today, it's marketed as a "Ladies' Home Companion."

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No it's tragically appropriate. It is vile and disgusting to market murder weapons to children as if they were toys. Whoever came up with it should go to prison.

I don't care about anyone's greasy pseudo moral outrage. I was so disgusted this morning when I read this story that I couldn't even post a topic myself

Hey Rolyo,

How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Originally Posted by JayQueer

Hey Rolyo,

How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

Oh wait...

You can't compare states with ZERO border controls and no id check between states.
It is not a separate country so the comparison is stupid.

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Unless you're getting this from previous threads, I'm not sure I understand where you get that Rolyo was advocating gun control… except to children, which I think that more people would support than gun control regularly. I mean, would you leave a five year-old alone with a loaded gun? Maybe...

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Originally Posted by JayQueer

Hey Rolyo,

How's that gun control in Chicago workin' out for ya?

Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

Oh wait...

Like Telstra said, comparing one city with another is absolutely meaningless. Statistics can be studied state-for-state, but the overall issue is actually national, since there are no actual searches or controls for movements of guns between states, and is why national gun laws are the only real way to make a difference. Half of ALL the traced guns used in gun crime are traced back to just 10 states, and those 10 states also have the fewest gun laws!

The ten states that supply guns at the highest rates have, on average, only 1.6 of these regulations in place, whereas in the ten states that supply interstate crime guns at the lowest rates, the average is 8.4.

Both review panels found there is NO reliable evidence that Right To Carry laws reduce crime or violence. Another study at John Hopkins University found evidence that Right To Carry permits are associated with an INCREASE in aggravated assaults.

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

My brother, a deputy sheriff, taught my nephew at 6 how to handle a gun. At night when my brother got home he would hang his holster and gun across the back of a kitchen chair and nothing disastrous happened. My nephew had no curiosity about guns, he already new about them.
Teaching gun lessons at a young age works.
These parents need to be put in jail, or at least the one who bought the gun for him, and the gun store needs to be fined, big! And Rolyo85, your posts are right on. There is nothing wrong with what you posted. Nothing at all!

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Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Originally Posted by White Eagle

My brother, a deputy sheriff, taught my nephew at 6 how to handle a gun. At night when my brother got home he would hang his holster and gun across the back of a kitchen chair and nothing disastrous happened. My nephew had no curiosity about guns, he already new about them.
Teaching gun lessons at a young age works.
These parents need to be put in jail, or at least the one who bought the gun for him, and the gun store needs to be fined, big! And Rolyo85, your posts are right on. There is nothing wrong with what you posted. Nothing at all!

Chicago & Illinois have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. There are no stores that sell guns in Chicago. Houston, in Texas, is about the same population as Chicago but allows concealed carry, and has thousands of stores & retailers where you can buy guns within Houston's city limits..

So, Houston's murder rate must be much higher than Chicago, right?

Oh wait...

I don't know about statistics. I do know that in a year in chicago I've not seen a single gun crime. I also know this is off topic bullshit that's been addressed multiple times. Not that a drive by troll like you would know...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Originally Posted by chance1

Yeah making light of tragic deaths of children Is "right on" Luckily for us it isn't There was no point to his comment He is not a serious participant here And remarks like that accentuate that fact Blind allegiance is a terrible thing btw I recommend all thread readers to read it and chime in Attempted Cute funny bullshit on this topic is fucked

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

I don't know about statistics. I do know that in a year in chicago I've not seen a single gun crime. I also know this is off topic bullshit that's been addressed multiple times. Not that a drive by troll like you would know...

Well maybe if you leave Halsted St in uber-white Boystown & live in the Southside of Chicago near the projects, your experience with crime would be different.

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.

Re: 5 year old kills 2 year old sister with his own gun

The parents were clearly negligent. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If any gun regulations were violated then that needs to be investigated as well. That is however doubtful because the current administration has taken the stance that enforcement of current gun laws is irrelevant in lieu of the hope of forcing more laws onto the American citizenry. More gun laws are not needed. Better enforcement is needed.

Only government can take perfectly good paper, cover it with perfectly good ink and make the combination worthless.

The parents were clearly negligent. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If any gun regulations were violated then that needs to be investigated as well. That is however doubtful because the current administration has taken the stance that enforcement of current gun laws is irrelevant in lieu of the hope of forcing more laws onto the American citizenry. More gun laws are not needed. Better enforcement is needed.

Your post started well, and then you derailed yourself with pointless propaganda. Can you cite under what laws can the parents be prosecuted?

You've been proven time and again to be utterly wrong in claiming that current gun laws are enough, yet you ignore the proof and just repeat your spiel, as if that will make it more true.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

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The parents are stupid.

I doubt if were yet ready to have a conversation about gun violence. Still no threads about how horrible overnight murders are in the cities and black-on-black violence where thousands are killed every year.