In summary, Orlando gets an excellent backup center for D. Howard in Curry (though his contracts sucks). They get rid of Redick, and get another shooter back that they might like more (Stoudamire) to surround the centers.

The Hawks need toughness and defense at SF, which Balkman can provide. They get upside in Chandler.

Childress is in the last year of his contract, atlanta probably won’t him so the knicks get a free look at someone who actually makes a high % of his shots for a change. We also get Redick who is not a bad player. We need a legit 3 pt threat.

The rest of the bigs and salaries fall into place. There are some expiring contracts as well.

]]>By: njhoopshttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219613
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:27:45 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219613Did you guys see in the paper that Isiaih gave the team the day off from practice today? Makes sense after losing by 40 to a below average team. The guy is so clueless it’s amazing, or maybe he really is trying to get worse.
]]>By: masehttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219600
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:45:35 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219600Once we get a decent coach then we will know who can and can’t play!
]]>By: jon abbeyhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219599
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:41:41 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219599“it’s really the fans who don’t know what we have in Morris and Chandler… the team sees them practice just about everyday.”

yeah, I thought of this, but no amount of practice is the same as seeing someone in real game minutes. there’s no substitute for that.

]]>By: masehttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219598
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:31:23 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219598cont’d.
are ya’ll glad we didnt do that Zach to Milwaukee deal?
]]>By: masehttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219596
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:23:52 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219596now that the tradeline has passed, i can’t believe not a single team making a playoff push or rebuilding wanted Crawford, Curry, Zach or F. Jones’ (expiring)…really shows you how overvalued they all are to Isiah.
]]>By: Ted Nelsonhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219576
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:08:24 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219576“There needs to be some sort of prize for the first NBA fan to adequately explain just what the Bulls think they’re doing. Yeah, they dumped Wallace, but they took on an equally bad contract in the form of Hughes (and isn’t he the homeless man’s Ben Gordon anyway?), and Drew Gooden is not exactly a difference maker; mostly he just keeps Tyrus Thomas riveted to the bench. I have no idea what this trade achieves for them, other than maybe getting Noah some minutes and “shaking things up.” That team needs to be burned down almost as badly as the Knicks do.”

“but what you’re left with is still a collection of players in search of a team, a plan, a system, etc. When you think about it, that phenomenon of talent-without-a-plan is the common thread among a lot of bad East teams- NY, Milwaukee, Charlotte, ATL, and the Bulls. Maybe Indy as well.

I can understand needing a player off the team so bad you don’t care what the return is (that’d be how I feel about Curry and Zbo), and you’re right that this does clear some frontcourt space for them; but for this to be a forward move and not a lateral shuffle, I think Chicago needs to make several more changes this summer.”

Last season the Bulls were considered one of the best young teams in the league: they won 49 games and made the second round of the playoffs. Their young core includes Luol Deng, Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni, two (Knicks’) lottery pick bigmen in Noah and Thomas, and now Gooden. They’re a good defensive team that’s won with this core in the past…

The Knicks’ core is Curry, Marbury, Randolph, and Crawford… How many playoff wins, or even appearances do those guys have combined?… our core, maybe, should be Lee, Balkman, Robinson, and maybe Chandler… a step up, I would argue, but still not the Bulls’ core.

As far as this trade, there are several aspects that I think make it work for the Bulls about as much as for the Cavs:

-As everyone’s mentioned the Wallace/locker room factor. This was a playoff team last season, it seems pretty likely that chemistry, motivation, or whatever you want to call is has been lacking this season. With the same talent last year they were a good team. Will this fix the problem? I don’t know. They seemed to have caused some real problems by not locking up Deng and Gordon over the offseason… I’m interested to see how it plays out.

-As everyone’s also pointed out the Bulls aren’t going to lose what Wallace brought to the court, they’re going to fill his minutes with Noah, Thomas, etc. And Gooden should

-Gooden represents a upgrade on the glass vs. Joe Smith and obviously a scoring upgrade over Wallace. Kind of a happy median between the two. He’s also much younger than both. Not going to be an All-Star, but I’d say he’ll be adaquate in a bigman rotation including Noah, Thomas, Nocioni/Deng, maybe Gray and whoever else.

-I wouldn’t say Hughes is a “homeless man’s” Gordon. Gordon is a lights out shooter with an amazing touch, but 6-3 without PG skills. Hughes is 6-5, capable of playing the point, but can’t shoot particularly well. In some ways they’re opposites.
As others have pointed out, Hughes has a similar skill set to Sefalosha, but is more refined at this point.

-I think Hughes could be a decent pick up for them in that he facilitates an offense. The Bulls could use some more scorers, but if you don’t have many scorers I’d say it’s good to have a bunch of good passers.

The Cavs put some good role players around LeBron, all they really needed to do. For the Bulls, if nothing else, it could prove to be addition by subtraction.

“something else that we’ve talked about plenty, but that needs to be added near the top of Isiah’s recent sins: this dreadful team still has absolutely no idea what it has in Chandler and Morris, which just amazes me. if Morris signs somewhere next year and becomes a contributor, we need to draw lots to go Weasel hunting.”

You have a point. However, it’s really the fans who don’t know what we have in Morris and Chandler… the team sees them practice just about everyday.

Matty: Are you really serious??? I thought that was sarcastic when I started reading, but it really seemed like you were serious by the end.
Q-Rich had a previous back injury and his back was uninsurable… That’s how you could have known he was an injury risk. How was he supposed to know Curry had no heart? The guy had been in the league 4 years already and had developed that reputation.

]]>By: mattyhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219490
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:30:39 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219490you cant really blame this all on isiah cut the guy alittle rope he came into a bad situation. he made a few moves and has made some mistakes. but he came into this job as a new gm of the new york knicks he tried to bring a big man in here.he already had bad contracts. he tried to continue with the bandaids and patch things up with big contracts. its not his fault q-rich cant shoot anymore and that eddie has no heart how was he supposed to know. the point is he didnt make any bone head moves this year upon trading day. the first step in starting over. he have to admit he hasnt made one drafting error only errors on expecations of names. but with this all said he can stay gm but we need a coach with some fire come on your the coach get on these guys i mean you must tell them the same things over and over and over by now they should get it if not TELL THEM THEY SUCK
]]>By: H22http://KnickerBlogger.Net/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219488
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:04:50 +0000http://www.knickerblogger.net/index.php/2008/02/21/trade-deadline-open-thread/#comment-219488Anyone who thinks the Knicks should be trading for, or signing Ron Artest, is a damn fool. Are you kidding me? Artest is a loser and a headcase and a cancer to any sense of cohesion within a team, both on and off the floor.

No “big name” will save this disgrace of a so-called professional sporting franchise. It’s called cutting your losses and starting afresh people.

Face it, over the next 3-5 years (thanks in large part to the pathetic and two-faced Isaiah Thomas) the Knicks have no hopes of making any significant, let alone respectable, impact in the league.

Be realistic. Stop the bullshit. Focus on detaching from the horrific contracts that have tied this franchise down, and on acquiring young talent that can develop in a positive atmosphere.

In order for that to happen we need a fresh front office and coaching stuff (barring Herb Williams) that can inject a new image and persona and soul into this team.

Face it, our Knicks suck. They’re a joke. Most of their players are a joke. And no sad-sack loser like Ron “The Rich Thug” Artest will save it from the hell in which it currently dwells.

After 30 years of being a Knicks fan, I have come to the conclusion that I have NEVER been more disgusted and ashamed of being associated with ANYTHING like I am with the New York Knicks.

Start fresh. Reboot. Look to the future and do everything within your power to forget the NOW. Because it’s just far too ugly and depressing to think that anything else will do.