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Comment by Bobily

Explain why I'd want Expertise rating again?

Comment by blademeld

As noted by the item level, this helm is on par with the Armored Titanium Goggles. For an exchange of 74 block value, the Engineering goggles have 1 more strength, 13 more expertise and 17 defense rating, as well as a yellow socket for a blue one, the socket bonus being superior on the goggles.

For most people, the Tempered Titansteel Helm, a BoE crafted epic, is the easiest to obtain, barring engineers who already have 400 skill.

You lose a lot in exchange for these, especially as you lose 2 sockets, a meta socket, which cannot be simply calculated due to their special bonus, and a blue socket, worth 24+ stamina, the sockets alone counter the difference of 51 stamina. You also lose out on 30 expertise, 11 strength and 74 block value, making the easiest obtainable helm, well, inferior.

So in summary, this helm is best for threat, the engineering goggles for survival and titansteel if you can't get either.

Comment by Schlitzohr

The majority of prot pally DPS is not subject to being parried. The only things that can be parried are Hammer of Righteousness and normal melee attacks. Yes it will help slightly to lower incoming chance from parry, but not as much as pure mitigation would in its place.

Expertise is not an ideal tanking stat. Unfortunately there are no other good tanking helm alternatives to choose from at this high of an iLevel.

Comment by Re42

Having this much expertise on one piece of armor helps quite much in my eyes. Pair it with Broken Promise, Glyph of Seal of Corruption and you should be near the cap. While threat is only issue in rare occasions, ignoring a tanking stat could be a mistake, and since we aren't reactive meatshields anymore expertise is considerable as much as hit.

Also if you want to reach the 4 set bonus from tier 7, you could take the helm, and use Gauntlets of the Disobedient which are bad ass tanking gloves mitigation/threat wise.

Comment by Odinshi

Ugh... Guys! Expertise is awesome! Expertise will decide if you dish out dps around 1300 or 2200! Do you know how effective expertise rating is? hit rating is like... 150 gives you 4% big whoop... same expertise gives you 10% less chance to be parried or dodged (ofc the dodge you need is only like 6,25%) and if you have reckoning. a double parry is fatal O.o if you don't have reckoning because you fear the double parry, then you miss out on a very good talent. especially now that our weapons actually do decent damage : \ hitting avoidance cap is easy, getting 28k health is easy. but finding expertise rating on good epics... very hard!

Comment by Odinshi

Shield of righteousness and others can be deflected which is the same as either dodge or parry for those spells (don't remember if it was for parry or dodge.) so expertise make that happen less aswell, and you only need 24 to get dodge chance down to 0, which is what dps needs since they stand behind the boss and is not parried. but tanks could get the parry down aswell with a higher expertise. the parry chance is up in 11% not 5% like dodge is.

Comment by Heffaf

Judgements can and will be dodged/parried if you don't have enough hit/expertise stacked.

Comment by interimus

Go go Power Rangers!

Comment by Wakleon

When tanking you want 540 defense first and foremost. Next get at least 25k health for 25man Naxx. Less for Archavon and Sartharion and more for Malygos. After you get 25k health start focusing on more health, mitigation through dodge, block, and parry and threat through expertise and hit. Threat also is increased through high stamina because of talents. But stamina comes in large amounts through gear. Now, expertise may seem useless for paladins because we deal so little white damage and have so few resistible attacks. But on bosses like Pacthwerk where you are taking 12k hits consistently every second or two a parry can throw a healer off-guard and lead to a wipe. Expertise is not as useful to non-raiding paladin tanks, but is never a bad thing. And never gem or enchant for expertise. You will get enough through gear.

At the moment, you average passive Block Value could be 2433 Block Value. Keep in mind, this is without your characters base STR or any socketed STR (gems or bonus), so it will be slightly higher.

Calculations were based on 3.1 information, aswell as wowhead-comments and EJ's. Kudo's to the people who posted some valuable info.

Yen <Legend Reborn>Azjol-Nerub EU

Comment by raistlin212

Now in Ulduar there are fights where threat matters. Hard Mode Hodir, you will be fighting to stay ahead of your party's threat output once they start getting buffs stacked. Several fights have a large time component to them so a simple "learn to read Omen" isn't the answer, sometimes you just have to put out threat.