Are any specifics known regarding the actual location of the two June 5th sightings. Such as, the name of the trails Ty was mountain biking on and where Stephen was hiking/taking wildlife photos? I don't know if I miss this piece of info, their emails stated general locations. I would like specifics if possible.

It is my opinion that someone has released ii in hi-res or we would not have the second picture above in such detail.

That is why I am suspicious… if there is only one released hi-res Ty photo (bb), then this hi-res is being leaked as one of Steven’s photos (even if it is just being leaked)… this is why I am beyond suspicious. But no one is questioning this photo. Are we seriously looking for the truth? What is the origin of this hi-res (ii) photo?

After she moved almost all the drone material to "pay-to-view" I stopped digging around there. I did not keep the report, maybe someone on OMF posted it there. Or maybe someone with a subscription to her site can dig that up.

Earthfiles is clearly not about open scientific investigation. My and many others requests to her have been ignored. Her site now requires payment to view details of one of the most detailed UFO pictures ever seen. I do appreciate that she did release some of the information, without her -- who knows, maybe we'd have nothing, or maybe we'd have someone else that would be more openly co-operative. If Ty or Stephen or Chad or Raj had initially posted their findings here or on OMF, then the whole story might have been different. Instead the two mainstream UFO "media" outlets (C2C and LMH) were contacted.

These forums, although the best source of up-to-date information, are like the TARDIS; to the rest of the world they seem tiny and insignificant, but once inside -- they are a whole universe on their own.

Well let's see what happens this Friday night. If there is no serious revelation then I'm calling for a new campaign for ALL of the hi res Ty photos. I still don't understand the reasoning for holding back.

Of all of the witnesses it was Raj who didn't go through an entity such as C2C or LMH. He went straight to the web! His first post was to Craigslist. Maybe what happened to him proves one needs to go through a researcher for protection.

It is my opinion that someone has released ii in hi-res or we would not have the second picture above in such detail.

That is why I am suspicious… if there is only one released hi-res Ty photo (bb), then this hi-res is being leaked as one of Steven’s photos (even if it is just being leaked)… this is why I am beyond suspicious. But no one is questioning this photo. Are we seriously looking for the truth? What is the origin of this hi-res (ii) photo?

Thank you bakosawa, I uploaded that image yesterday, but I can,t remember where I got it, I think it was the french OVNIS sit, but I'm not sure. It's out there somewhere...

It is my opinion that someone has released ii in hi-res or we would not have the second picture above in such detail.

That is why I am suspicious… if there is only one released hi-res Ty photo (bb), then this hi-res is being leaked as one of Steven’s photos (even if it is just being leaked)… this is why I am beyond suspicious. But no one is questioning this photo. Are we seriously looking for the truth? What is the origin of this hi-res (ii) photo?

LMH posted the portion of the ii Ty hi res photo on her website. The hi res she released last week was aa, not bb. The bb photo is of a different angle. The Steven photos were released by this website and are already 2496x1664 72 dpi. It has never been made public if these are the highest res. That would be a question for BJ.

Yeah, that is what's hanging me up too. I check OMF but it's so here, there and everywhere - that's too much work also. So I quit trying. .

Doesnt DrDil have all of the LMH articles and photos on his site he made up for us? Or would pdf not work for what you want. also, Isaac's fortunecity had some of the photos there from the original Earthfiles reports right?

LMH posted the portion of the ii Ty hi res photo on her website. The hi res she released last week was aa, not bb. The bb photo is of a different angle. The Steven photos were released by this website and are already 2496x1664 72 dpi. It has never been made public if these are the highest res. That would be a question for BJ.

My apologies... I stand corrected... that is what I get for trusting info that was posted earlier (that this was bb)

I believe that Steve Murillo's (Los Angles area investigator) email was to point out that the report was not from him, but rather Steve Reichmuth ( NorCal MUFON investigator that filed the report). There were some references to "Investigator Steve in California" going around, believe he wanted to clear it up.

He states Reichmuth's conclusion was the photos were hoax, and that he (Murillo) initially thought they were real.

Reference below email:--------------

Email from MUFON LA mailing list.

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Steve Murillo email:Dear MUFON LA Members and Supporters,

Many of you have expressed your certainty that the alleged drone photos which appear on C2C and Earthfiles are the real deal. I decided to log on to MUFON.com, and see what the field investigator assigned to the case came up with. Incidentally, the investigator turned out to be the SSD {SSD=State Section Director} for that district.Befitting for such a high profile case, don’t you agree? Here are his comments:

STEVE REICHMUTH report:INVESTIGATION AND REPORT

May 16, 2007

The object in the attached images within this report firstappeared several weeks earlier on the Coast to Coast web sitepage. This new witness report was posted May 12, 2007.

I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computergenerated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlierCoast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who hasand continues to do computer generated images for the Historychannels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effectsperson is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a businessin Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

Marc is a former MUFON Field investigator, and has taughtAstronomy for a number of years at a local area east coastcollege. Both Marc & Steve I would consider well grounded and Iwould consider them both 'non-skeptics' related to 'UFO's. Theythink UFO's are 'real' and likely 'extraterrestral' in origin.Marc works with computer generated images every day. Bothexperts state all images of this object are clearly fakes. Mr.D' Antonio is one of my valued expert contacts I network with instudying UFO photographs. He has volunteered to assist in futurecases.

Marc examined the Coast to Coast images days earlier week (May10) earlier. I contacted Marc again when this latest witnessreport was posted on CMS shortly later (May 12, 2007).

Attached images have been studied by these two friends in theSpecial visual computer effects industry. They bothindependently state this object is clearly a CG fake.

Marc writes "Those of us in that community can look at andimmediately spot, fakery. I have to say that this one is notactually even a GOOD fake."

Marc further writes:

Why?

In one of the images, you can see that the faker used, somethingcalled "radiosity" to render the images. The technique allowsfor more realistic images and makes things look very good, as iflit by the sun in this case. Well, in ONE of the radiosityimages supposedly looking up at the 'fake ship' from directlybelow it is clear that the faker didn't take care in setting hissettings for the renderer and you can see classic "radiosityrender artifacts" in the dark shadow areas of the CG craft. Theyshow up as mottling in the shadows instead of smoothtransitions. It is what happens when you want the rendering tobe finished quickly. If radiosity settings were used to make theimage look absolutely real, each image could take tens of hoursto render perhaps.

In another shot where the craft ought to have been some distanceaway, it is sharp and clear as if there is suddenly noatmospheric haze.

Finally, in one image the faker composited the craft to appearbehind tree branches. This is easy to perform. The faker usedsomething called an Alpha map which affords you JUST thiscapability.

Sooner or later, I will bet that a 'video' will emerge, and thefaker is no doubt working on it but doesn't like the results Iguarantee because the radiosity renders take a long time torender per frame and in motion, he has to get all his Photoshoptype filtering done on the fly within his rendering software andit isn't as easy.

When I saw this I winced at how obvious the fakery is and howutterly uneducated the coast to coast people are for falling for it.The faker, named 'Chad' is a complete and total fabricator."

I have still sent a request to the above witness Email addresswishing a interview, following Mufon investigative proceedures.I plan to play this interview 'dumb smart' (if it ever occurs- but hope so) wishing to glean any further information ifpossible and post it here. It maybe possible these imagessubmitted were hoaxed by someone else, rather than by thewitnesses themselves (names stated above).

I suspect the Coast to Coast web site appearance was a trial runbefore posting here in the Mufon CMS. The attached images filesfrom Coast to Coast read in the image file text' the name'McKinley'. The same witness name above in the witness report.

I seriously doubt the 'Coast to Coast' people may even knowabout this authenticity issue.

As of May 16, 2007, I have not recieved any reply from thesewitnesses.

Clearly a 'HOAX'. Case completed, but will reopen should Irecieve get a reply from the witness. (hopefully).

Continue Murillo emailAs you can see from his comments, Mr. Reichmuth is convinced that the photos are a HOAX. So don’t get too excited. Know that there are people out there who get their jollies from spoofing the unsuspecting and gullible. Hey, don’t feel too bad. If it makes you feel any better, I thought they looked real too. As ancient Chinese proverb say; “believe nothing of what you hear,and only half of what you see”. Or maybe that was Kwai Chang Caine. No matter.

Steve R. Murillo

State Section DirectorMUFON L.A.============================Have not heard IF the investigation was reopened due to the Isaac material. Anyone know?

If you were an alien race and were anticipating putting some type of monitoring drone in earth's atmosphere, near ground level, would you put your current day technology out there or would you dig up something very old and antiquated (a little closer to our technology) and use it instead?

The tone of the question suggests that (1) there may be a chance of a threat to the drone from the primitive Earth technology. Or (2) there is a conflict between rival alien races, one of which owns the drones and the other is hiding on the surface and poses a known threat to the drone owners. ATO, can you tell us more about which way your thinking goes?

Because the drones are stark and without first class accommodations, doesn't imply they are antiquated. They may do their job (whatever it is) very well. If they are intelligent mission focused autonomous droid drones that are usually invisible, they probably care little about appearances. As an Earth-person, I'd use whatever vehicle best fit the mission regardless of risk.

Each line of the 'report' & 'letters' gets more unbelieveable. They are complete nonsense.

Mufon is commonly known in the UFO community as the premiere organization for dedicated skeptics and other non-believers.

I'll leave it at that and let the members of this forum decide what 'they' think of the contributions .

Don't get your drawers in a wad Urantia.... DarkSky (not STAR) was just posting that information because there was a question about it. DarkSky never said he agreed with the information, just posting it so we can know what MUFON's stance was on the issue.

And, when did you start being the forum police.... counting people's number of lines in their posts