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Interview of Rajiv Malhotra with Christian Post

The first thread carries the entire email interview of Rajiv Malhotra with Christian Post that they did not print.December 11 (New Thread)The interview that Christian Post would not print (it seems)Many months ago I was approached by a journalist named Myles Collier from Christian Post,
who told me that their media wanted to interview me on BD. I asked that
it be done by email, so that there is an accurate record and no
misunderstanding later. This was accepted by his editors, and what
followed was an email exchange in which I answered every question asked
of me. Below is a complete list of all the questions and my answers.

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you can see from their questions, this organizations has deep rooted d
ideas supporting Dalit Christianity. I was told that the interview would
appear very soon and that I would receive the url. I never heard back
after the interview was one. My prediction at the time was that once the
senior editors saw my responses, they would not want to publish it,
because one of my conditions was that any alterations in what I said
required my prior written approval.-------------------------------------------

Rajiv Malhotra's Interview with Myles Collier from Christian Post

1.Question: For those not familiar with your work what is the main thesis of your book, Breaking India?

Response:

a)The book
explains the role of U.S. and European churches, academics,
think-tanks,foundations, government and human rights groups in fostering
divisive identities between the Dravidian and Dalit communities on the
one hand and the rest of India based on outdated racial theories.

b)Its how outdated racial theories continue to provide academic frameworks
and fuel the rhetoric that can trigger civil wars and genocides in
developing countries.

c)The
Dravidian movement's 200-year history has such origins. Its latest
manifestation is the "Dravidian Christianity" movement that fabricates a
political and cultural history to exploit old fault lines. I refer to
this as the "breaking India project". Please see:http://www.breakingindia.com/

2.Question: What kind of reception has your book garnered?

Response:

a)The
reception in Indian think tanks and defense study networks has been very
good. The book was launched by senior Indian retired security and
military officials. See videos at:

b)There has
also been a very good reception among the general public in both India
and the US. The book has already gone through 5 print runs and become a
national best-seller. Breaking India was quoted during the recent
controversial Kodankulam protests.

d)It has been translated into Tamil and the Hindi edition will soon be ready as well.

3.Question:
When specifically considering the situation of the Dalit's Dr. Joseph
D'souza describes it as the"greatest human rights violation in history"
-- is this an accurate portrayal?

Response:

a)Calling the
situation of the Dalits the "greatest human rights violation in
history" is an example of the sensationalist pandering and politicization
that Breaking India explains. Anyone researching atrocities
objectively must examine the following ones: White European Christian
conquerors of America against Native Americans and Australian aborigines,
Spanish Inquisition against women and native faiths,
Portuguese Inquisition against Indians, Christian slavery of Africans,
Christian colonization of Asia and other continents during which hundreds
of millions were killed. In fact, Christianity was built by
the sword ever since the time Emperor Constantine hijacked it and turned
it into a dogma for state theocracy.

b)Joseph D'souza
is trying to help cover up this White Christian guilt of perpetrating
many of history's worst atrocities. Non-White Christians like D'souza
perform this cover up for White Christians, and for this they earn
funding and career opportunities. I refer to such persons as `sepoys',
after the Indians who served under British rule and helped police and
control other Indians. This role is similar to that of the Anglo-Irishmen
who were used by the English to colonize Ireland.

c)Of course,
all violations of human rights are to be condemned, and we must
work hard to give dignity to every human across the globe. But one cannot
distort history in order to open the door for Western interventions as
has been their strategy for centuries.

d)There is
a long history of many Indian communities becoming poor and
disenfranchised due to dislocation under Islamic and British oppression,
and many of them turned into present day Dalits. This is not a "Hindu
problem" per se as is the fashion to call it in the Christian press. In
fact, Dalit Christians have litigated against the Indian Church for
prejudices against them that are institutionalized within Christianity –
including separate burial grounds, and bias in the allocation of funds.

e)Most
Christian nations that were former colonies, such as the ones in Latin
America, Philippines, etc. have far worse per capita statistics of crimes
than India does.

f)Also,the
Church remains racially very much divided even in rich Christian
countries like USA: That's why there are separate Black churches, Korean
churches,Hispanic churches, etc. Even among Indian Christians in USA
there are separate churches for Tamils and Malayalees, etc.

g)So human
rights activism must begin at home – Christians must work
within Christian society to solve internal problems, rather than trying
to export cures for social maladies they are suffering themselves, and
especially diseases they have spread elsewhere. The human rights record
of atrocities by Christendom is woven deeply into the tapestry of world
history.

h)The Church has no moral authority to intervene in other countries using the pretext of bringing them human rights.

i)India's sovereignty and its internal institutions for improving the lot of all its citizens must be respected and strengthened.

4.Question:
There are many organizations dedicated to helping and empowering the
Dalit's, yet you have made the claim that western influences actually
hinder progressive movements and contribute to an ever hostile social
environment—why is this?

Response:

a)India,like any former colony, has its own share of social injustices that need to be continually addressed and resolved.

b)But separatist
forces supported and funded by external nexuses are constructing
a dangerous and fictitious anti-national grand narrative. This has been
forged specifically to alienate Dalits from their own culture and country
by exacerbating societal divisions. This is the latest version of the
old divide-and-rule strategy practiced by European colonizers everywhere.

c)All democracy-loving
Americans should worry about the consequences of allowing narrow-minded
Christian organizations to undermine the largest democracy in the world.

d)Dalit communities
are not monolithic and have extremely diverse histories and
social dynamics – so you cannot lump all of them in one box. Also, not
all Dalit communities are at the same socio-economic level or
homogeneously poor. Nor are they static or inherently subordinate to
others. Indeed, there are several Dalit billionaires, top politicians and
other leaders – a Dalit has even been the President of India.

e)While Dravidian
and Dalit identities were initially constructed separately, there is
now a strategy at work to link them in order to denigrate and demonize
Indian classical traditions as a common enemy. This, in turn, has been
mapped on to a newly manufactured Afro-Dalit narrative which claims that
Dalits are racially related to Africans and all other Indians are
"whites." Thus, Indian civilization itself is demonized as
anti-humanistic and oppressive.

f)This has
become the playground of major foreign players, both from the
evangelical right and from the academic left. It has opened huge career
opportunities for an assortment of middlemen including foreign-funded
NGOs, intellectuals and"champions of the oppressed."

g)While
the need for relief and structural change is immense, the shortsighted
selfish politics is often empowering some individual leaders rather than
the people whose cause is being championed. The"solutions" often
exacerbate the problems. See:

5.Question:
What is your current feeling as to the situation created by outside
organizations and the impact that has on the Dalit population?

Response:

a)Genuine grievances and injustices certainly do exist. There is no whitewashing here.

b)But the
book shows how such existing fault lines are used by transnational
forces to subvert India and brand Indian civilization as hopeless and in
need of being replaced by a superior imported variety. This can make
Dalits believe that their liberation lies in toppling India's
civilization and nationhood.

c)Politicized Christianity
in India maps Biblical notions on to a Marxist interpretation of"class
struggle", i.e. Liberation Theology, even though the American sponsors do
not support such ideology domestically where they live. So they are
pulling the strings of society and politics half way around the world in
an alien place without having any skin in the game. This is hypocrisy.

d)My
research tracked the money trails from the West where funds are raised
for "education," "human rights," "empowerment training," and "leadership
training," but end up in programs designed to produce angry youths who
feel disenfranchised from Indian identity. Already the Baptists have
created separatist movements in India's northeast region by converting
the natives and shifting their loyalties.

e)Similar interventions by some of the same global forces have resulted in genocides and civil wars in Sri Lanka, Rwanda, etc.

6.Question:
There has been a great deal of discussion over the role of Hinduism in
India and its propensity to keep "undesired" individuals oppressed, I was
curious as to your thoughts about the role of Hinduism and the Hindutva
in India?

Response:

a)Itis
ironic that Christians are able to make such assumptions at a time when
Hindu ideas are being appropriated into Christianity to create a more
benevolent theology for Christianity. Hindu metaphysics and praxis have
been digested into Christianity for a long time, but very systematically
for at least 200 years,into such diverse areas as: sacredness of the
earth and the divine feminine;yoga and the human body as not being
inherently sinful but being inherently divine; animal rights and
vegetarianism; the inherent unity of consciousness as opposed to the
dualism of Judeo-Christianity; etc.

b)I am
writing a whole series of books on how major Christian thinkers have
acknowledged Hindu sources for some of their most important rethinking on
Christianity.Unfortunately, subsequent Christians like to dilute these
Hindu influences and eventually forget them entirely, and replace them
with Judeo-Christian sources,in order to hide the "Hinduism inside" that
exists at the heart of much of today's reinterpreted Christianity.

c)So,on
the one hand, we have this very frantic appropriation going on, and the
Hinduorigins are being erased. Simultaneously, on the other hand, the
very sameHindu sources are being abused as "oppressive". How could Hindu
ideas be usefulto liberate Christianity from Christianity's own
shackles, and yet Hinduism be branded so vehemently as oppressive?

d)I am
reminded of the way Greek thought was appropriated by St. Augustine
and others in order to start Christian theology (prior to which
Christian historians admit that the Bible lacked philosophical content),
and yet the very same Greek society was condemned as "pagan" and finished
off. I have referred to this as a form of arson: the arsonist robs the
bank and then burns it down to hide the evidence. The Christian West has
perfected this type of activity over the centuries: appropriate and
simultaneously destroy the source.

e)I am
amazed at the sweeping assumptions in your question. It is hypocritical
for Christians to point fingers at the alleged "propensity to keep
undesired individuals oppressed" in Hinduism, given Christianity's track
record on oppression of indigenous cultures, sexual abuse of children,
persecution of great scientists and thinkers who did not accede to
Christian dogma of the time, systemic repression of women and homophobia.

f)As for
Hindutva, that is a specific political movement and you will have
to interview its leaders for their views. I can only speak for Hindu
dharma as an individual practitioner-scholar, and not for any
institution.

7.Question:
How do you respond to those who would call the research found in your
book sound, however claim thatyour interpretation and subsequent
propaganda message is wrong?

Response:

a)This statement
is too general to be possible to answer. There are many issues discussed
in my works, and hence you have to cite a concrete example of
what troubles you, so I may be able to address it. Breaking India exposes propaganda; it does not create it.It is the result of a fact finding mission undertaken over decades and the result of rigorous analysis, not sloganeering.

b)I anticipated
that my findings will trouble many persons who have a vested interest to
defend a fabricated history, a fabricated grandiose notion of their own
religious supremacy and exclusivity, and who are in many cases
also sustaining their careers and lifestyles based on pushing ideas on
behalf of powerful global nexuses.

c)If any
objections to my research come from persons who do not fall in
these categories and are based on primary sources, I will consider them
respectfully and modify my views if necessary.

8.Question:
The Dalit Freedom Network and Operation Mobilization are two groups that
are building schools which offer a English-medium education with a
Christian world-view perspective while also offering vocational training
to help abused and trafficked individuals in India. If local programs are
not offering opportunities for marginalized people why would it be
negative for Dalit's and other lower caste members to exercise choice and
work towards a better future?

Response:

a)Mahatma Gandhi
lashed out against Christian missionaries numerous times because
they linked their social work to conversion. I agree with his posture.
Christians who are genuinely motivated must provide unconditional help from one human to another.

c)Regarding the
groups you have named, I oppose their political projects and my
book exposes what they are up to. DFN (with two directors from OM) uses
the Dalit face to hide that it is a hardcore operational wing of American
right-wing agendas in India. The Dalit label gives it the emotional
appeal and aura of legitimacy to intervene in India's affairs. DFN brings
speakers and activists from India to testify before US government
commissions, policy think-tanks and churches,with the explicit goal of
promoting US intervention in India (Breaking India, pages 222-223).

d)What most
of my American Christian friends are shocked to learn is that the kind
of Christianity being propagated in India is often similar to the
radical,medieval Christianity that was based on performing "miracles"
and on hate speech. Most modern Christians in USA have rejected that
Christianity, but the obsession for numerical growth in Christian
population has become the evangelical obsession. The sole focus is on
numbers, not quality or genuine religiosity.

e)There are
also many good indigenous grassroots movements in India working for
Dalit causes,which do not get the type of prominence or funding that
Western-supported NGOs do. They are sadly underfunded because they lack
the sophisticated fund raising and publicity machinery. Yet such
indigenous organizations have a far better efficiency in the use of funds
for making a positive impact than the foreign ones do.

f)My American
Christian friends are grateful to get informed about this, as it enables
them to make better choices in philanthropy, and be more careful
before they fund certain foreign missions. Since my book is beginning to
impact the evangelists' fund-raising in the US, they want Christian media
like yours to poison the credibility of my work.

g)But any
religious community must be open to external criticism and
self-reflection in order to improve its religious standards. Given
Christianity's long history of abuses, it would be foolish for American
Christians to fail to examine my findings with a receptive mind.

9.Question: Can you explain your thoughts related to difference anxiety?

Response:

a)I coined
the term "difference anxiety" to refer to one's anxiety that the other
is different in some way—be it gender, sexual orientation,
race,ethnicity, age or religion. The alternative is difference without anxiety, and better still is celebration of difference.

b)To appreciate
this very Hindu principle, one must start by observing that the cosmos
is built on the principle of difference—in plants, animals,
geographies,and even each moment in time is unique. So differences in
culture, human cognition and worldviews are entirely natural.

c)It is
interesting that westerners are so protective of the diversity of
plants and animals, but the same emphasis is not placed on protecting
civilizational and faith diversity. The reason is that Westerners are
driven by the urge to control externally – control over other humans,
nature, etc. Homogeneity based on fixed canonized norms helps one
control; hence difference and especially flux are a cause for anxiety.
Therefore, Western religions have traditionally pushed for monocultures.

d)Western Monotheism is more appropriately described as "my-theism," meaning that my idea of theism is the only valid one.

e)In Hinduism,
sva-dharma is the path for a given individual, the "sva"prefix
literally meaning "my." It's like "My Documents" or"My Favorites" on
your computer. God made us unique individuals, each with a purpose based
on past conditioning, including experiences in past births, and each of
us is equipped to discover his or her sva-dharma.

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