I don't think I have an "ideal" mouse to be honest. I'm extremely budget limited, so I've learned when not to be too picky.

First personal mouse was the MX518. Good mouse, had it for years until it wore out. Tried to sell it to a local store early on when desperate for cash, only to discover the store full of trained experts had no clue what an optical sensor was, claiming it was broken because the sensor didn't light up.

Next was the Logitech G500. Despite prediction and acceleration, a good mouse, until it started double clicking. Not having the experience or tools to fix the issue, I put it in a drawer in case I did someday.

Replaced it with a Razer Abyssus, which was terrible for multiple reasons, not the least of which was you had to flip it over to adjust dpi, which was either way too slow or way too high. I gave it away and borrowed my mom's G500s for a while. To explain how terrible this mouse was: My current monitor, our deep fryer and my mechanical keyboard are all from this year, and I have no intention of replacing them quite yet (my monitor may need to be replaced due to problems with the HDMI port, however). She also still has the G500s, which I bought for her the year prior, and she's still using it.

Replaced the borrowed mouse with my current G303 Daedalus Prime and returned it to it's rightful owner. Not perfect, but very usable, excellent sensor, and does just what I need. The fact that I can program it if need be is a huge plus.

YES, MY FAVOURITE MOUSE EXISTS. IT IS KNOWN AS THE MICROSOFT MOUSE. THE MICROSOFT MOUSE IS INFINITELY SUPERIOR TO THE CRAPPLE MOUSE BECAUSE IT HAS TWICE AS MANY BUTTONS. CRAPPLE, BEING A STUPID COMPANY RUN BY IDIOTS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE COMPUTERS, DECIDED THAT THEY WERE "TOO COOL" FOR A TWO BUTTON MOUSE. BUT NOT ME! I USE ONE ALL THE TIME. I USE NOTHING BUT GENUINE MICROSOFT MICE, PLUGGED INTO MY SERIAL PORT, OR PS/2 PORT, DEPENDING ON THE COMPUTER OR MOUSE THAT I AM USING. THE BEAUTIFUL OFF-WHITE YELLOWISH BEIGE COLOUR ADDS SO MUCH BEAUTY AND CHARACTER TO THESE ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED MASTERPIECES. NOT TO MENTION THAT THESE MICE ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS 98. BUT WHETHER YOU USE WINDOWS 98 OR NOT, YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE RIGHT NOW. DON'T WAIT! GETTING A MICROSOFT MOUSE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. SO THEREFORE, YOU NEED TO GET ONE RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE, ALSO BE SURE TO PURCHASE MORE TO GIVE TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. YOU CAN SPREAD THE REVOLUTION IN POINTING DEVICES TODAY! DON'T DELAY! JUST IMAGINE IF YOU DIED AND WENT TO THE PEARLY GATES. AND GOD FOUND OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T USE A MICROSOFT MOUSE. YOU'D PROBABLY ROT IN HELL FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY! IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BURN IN HELL, GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE. MICROSOFT MICE ARE THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IN LIFE, AS IT POINTS YOUR CURSOR THROUGH THE AMAZING WORLD OF MULTIMEDIA IN WINDOWS 98 AND INTERNET EXPLORER 6.

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No such product exists for what I want: A trackball that sits in front of the keyboard and sunk into the desk. So a Morency Rest with a cutout for a panelmount trackball. And make it so you can lift one side of the trackball up and tent it at any angle.

No such product exists for what I want: A trackball that sits in front of the keyboard and sunk into the desk. So a Morency Rest with a cutout for a panelmount trackball. And make it so you can lift one side of the trackball up and tent it at any angle.

No such product exists for what I want: A trackball that sits in front of the keyboard and sunk into the desk. So a Morency Rest with a cutout for a panelmount trackball. And make it so you can lift one side of the trackball up and tent it at any angle.

A trackball between a set of split keyboards is the same thing.

The only way I would break up with my Model M is if DataHand came back from the grave. Even then...

I've been looking around here since I made that statement, and found one that is close: "QTronix Libra 35 trackball gel wrist rest". That might work except for the small trackball and no scroll wheel is a downer but I guess I could use the keyboard for that.

The other one I keep coming back to is the "Logitech TrackMan Marble FX Trackball". No scroll wheel, but with that shape who cares? If my keyboard was tenkeyless or it came in left handed, I think I would be content.

Now I'm wondering if the Trackman could fit sideways near the center of a Morency Rest style arrangement that didn't have any padding.

You can't get a lightweight palm-grip mouse with a hyperscroll wheel, extra buttons, weights, RGB lights and a PBT shell (denser than ABS, also relatively brittle thus needing more structural support). Those parts weigh something.

Regular Ducky Secret is 120 g, Secret M is 94 g. The difference between them is some material and a weight compartment. Hyperscroll wheels are even heavier and need a lot of space: I wonder how you could fit that and 7 regular button switches together with other components in there.

You can't get a lightweight palm-grip mouse with a hyperscroll wheel, extra buttons, weights, RGB lights and a PBT shell (denser than ABS, also relatively brittle thus needing more structural support). Those parts weigh something.

Regular Ducky Secret is 120 g, Secret M is 94 g. The difference between them is some material and a weight compartment. Hyperscroll wheels are even heavier and need a lot of space: I wonder how you could fit that and 7 regular button switches together with other components in there.

I'm sure the ideal shape does exist, and it's likely it exists with the idea weight. Haven't found it yet, though. Plus ideal tracking. But tracking is something a lot of decent mice can satisfy me with. Shape's more of a problem. I need it flatter than Sensei but not as flat as that Razer thing which came out together with Stacraft 2, whatever it was called.

Ideal mice are much like ideal girls. If the shape is ideal, there are issues with character. If character is great, the shape is rarely ideal. And if both are ideal, then that's obviously way out of your league and you're just a poor bloke with little in terms of shape or character (forget cash or power) yourself.

Apple magic trackpad would be if I could get it to work with things other than a mac. Thankfully most of my time really needing one is on a mac, but I would love to get it working on my home desktop. Gestures I mean, not just point.

My favourite as of right now is the logitech g900. Switched from the g403 (found the bump to be a bit big for my hands), however the g900 is just a tad small for my liking. My ideal mouse would be a g403 with a smaller bump.

Fortunately it does, its the M65 Pro by Corsair.Its the correct shape for my hand, the weight is perfect for me, it looks decent, its well built (that aluminium chassis...) and has a top of the PWM3360 sensor.