2) Of COURSE the pastor has a problem with this. They're going after the same marks.

Uh, no, the guy who was a pastor didn't really care.

FTFA:

"One has to look at the broader picture," Jones said. "This is a business that is legal, even though, in a lot of circles, it isn't fully received by society. But we're not living in a world where anyone is on a perfect pedestal. You have to ask 'Does the good outweigh the bad?' "

I like Cheetah in WPB. The staff knows how to a let a girl do her due-diligence in the back-room w/o interruption; plus she sometimes even brings her own snow to the slopes. This article is a bunch of shiat.

/Yes, back-rooms are fun.//And no, I don't have AIDS/herp/hep/gohn/etc.///Slashies.

fatalvenom:I like Cheetah in WPB. The staff knows how to a let a girl do her due-diligence in the back-room w/o interruption; plus she sometimes even brings her own snow to the slopes. This article is a bunch of shiat.

/Yes, back-rooms are fun.//And no, I don't have AIDS/herp/hep/gohn/etc.///Slashies.

FTFA: "It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

No, pastor. I guess the message we SHOULD be sending is that women are like children, incapable of making their own decisions. If they decide to work in a strip club, it must be some evil man making them do it, or tricking them into it or taking advantage of them. Except that doesn't fit the definition of any of the strippers I've known. I guess it doesn't ever occur to people like the good pastor that some people might choose to do things that the pastor would not choose to do. But then, that must make them wrong, right?

FTFA:"It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

Strip clubs don't exploit women, they exploit MEN. Men are the patrons targeted by strippers and strip club owners. Strip clubs allow women with absolutely NO skill set to gyrate in front of a man and make a LOT of money. The men are the victims here, because we are being played on an evolutionary level. Man would move the earth to see that, but the owners have made it convenient by allowing you to simply give them your paycheck to get it.

/This guy is awesome too. Self made man that is living a good life and gives back. And he isn't donating to some frou-frou celebrity backed African AIDS charity, no, he is giving money to the COMMUNITY around him. That's how it is done folks.

Step 1: Profit!Step 2: Buy $20,000 worth of gift cards for school clothes and supplies.Step 3: Hold a pep rally on a Saturday. Invite every family in the district.Step 4: Get a head count of the minors in the audience, distribute the supplies evenly.Step 5: ??? (in which the uptight fundies don't get squat)Step 6: Tax deduction!

/first time Profit! ever took place in step 1//have to make sure the parents spend the gift cards on the intended use, that's the only weakness in my otherwise clever plan///slash slash slash

FirstNationalBastard:"One has to look at the broader picture," Jones said. "This is a business that is legal, even though, in a lot of circles, it isn't fully received by society. But we're not living in a world where anyone is on a perfect pedestal. You have to ask 'Does the good outweigh the bad?' "

If I rob a bank and donate the money to charity, does the good outweigh the bad? If I cover a hobo in blood and drop him off at the police station so he will get 3 meals a day, a roof over his head, and a bed to sleep on, does the good outweigh the bad?

FTFA: "It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

Is it really exploitation when these women voluntarily sign up to be dancers? I'm going with no.

Also, I highly doubt the kids are going to be asking where their new books and computers came from.

GoSurfing:/This guy is awesome too. Self made man that is living a good life and gives back. And he isn't donating to some frou-frou celebrity backed African AIDS charity, no, he is giving money to the COMMUNITY around him. That's how it is done folks.

Giving money to the community that was coming from members of the community who would rather go to strip clubs than help their own community.

Tobin_Lam:FirstNationalBastard: "One has to look at the broader picture," Jones said. "This is a business that is legal, even though, in a lot of circles, it isn't fully received by society. But we're not living in a world where anyone is on a perfect pedestal. You have to ask 'Does the good outweigh the bad?' "

If I rob a bank taxpayer and donate redistribute the money to charity through welfare programs, does the good outweigh the bad? If I cover a hobo in blood and drop him off at the police station so he will get 3 meals a day, a roof over his head, and a bed to sleep on, does the good outweigh the bad?

No. No it does not. However, this guy didn't steal anyone's money. They handed it over voluntarily, to people who voluntarily sought employment at the establishment. Where's the evil in that? Both of your examples relied on non-consensual acts to make them bad. Where is the non-consensual act in the real story?

untaken_name:FTFA: "It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

No, pastor. I guess the message we SHOULD be sending is that women are like children, incapable of making their own decisions. If they decide to work in a strip club, it must be some evil man making them do it, or tricking them into it or taking advantage of them. Except that doesn't fit the definition of any of the strippers I've known. I guess it doesn't ever occur to people like the good pastor that some people might choose to do things that the pastor would not choose to do. But then, that must make them wrong, right?

FYI, Christian Verdugo is head of the Florida Christian Family Coalition. I don't think he is a pastor.

untaken_name:Tobin_Lam: FirstNationalBastard: "One has to look at the broader picture," Jones said. "This is a business that is legal, even though, in a lot of circles, it isn't fully received by society. But we're not living in a world where anyone is on a perfect pedestal. You have to ask 'Does the good outweigh the bad?' "

If I rob a bank taxpayer and donate redistribute the money to charity through welfare programs, does the good outweigh the bad? If I cover a hobo in blood and drop him off at the police station so he will get 3 meals a day, a roof over his head, and a bed to sleep on, does the good outweigh the bad?

No. No it does not. However, this guy didn't steal anyone's money. They handed it over voluntarily, to people who voluntarily sought employment at the establishment. Where's the evil in that? Both of your examples relied on non-consensual acts to make them bad. Where is the non-consensual act in the real story?

The strippers get paid by customers and paid by the establishment? How does the establishment make money?

I'n glad that the fundies are putting their money where their mouth is, and ponying up the replacement $20K to help the schools, the same way they bought uniforms and sent those kids up to DC 20 years ago....

Call the waaambulance. At least they are purchasing a service provided in the good ol' US of A. They could have just gone out and bought a bunch of shiatty goods made in China instead, and then you'd get NO money back. How about that?

"It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

So I guess they'd return a charity gift from Walmart since they exploit poor workers and child-laborers in the far east?

The pastor made the most sense. Verdugo, who is head of some idiotic moral outrage group (probably a bunch of uptight, holier-than-thou Christian hypocrites), doesn't speak for most people who follow Christ. I know it's hard for some farkers to believe, but it's the same as thinking that Al Sharpton speaks for all African Americans.

tbyte:The strippers get paid by customers and paid by the establishment? How does the establishment make money?

It charges at the door and it sells drinks (and sometimes takes a cut of the dancer's tips). I am guessing you're not too familiar with how strip clubs work, are you? At some establishments, the dancers are paid a small amount in addition to their tips, in some they work for tips only, and in some they must pay a fee (straight fee or commission) to work there.

GoSurfing:FTFA:"It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

Strip clubs don't exploit women, they exploit MEN. Men are the patrons targeted by strippers and strip club owners. Strip clubs allow women with absolutely NO skill set to gyrate in front of a man and make a LOT of money. The men are the victims here, because we are being played on an evolutionary level. Man would move the earth to see that, but the owners have made it convenient by allowing you to simply give them your paycheck to get it.

Yeah, more or less this. I will say that some of my best friends have been strippers too and even though they fleeced the wallets of most patrons (mine too - that's how I met most of them) most of them didn't really enjoy it.

of course they enjoyed the easy money - that's why they did it, but a few who I knew just couldn't deal with the job without drinking constantly.

I got sick of the exploitation too (mostly of my wallet) which is why I haven't been to a titty bar in years.

But if I ever find out where The Spanish Moon (new window) is I'll be all over it like a fly on shiat.

VictorOfBorge:"It came from someone associated with the exploitation of women - and that demeans half the population," Verdugo said. "If you do that, where do you draw the line? That's not the message to send to kids - that it's OK to exploit women."

So I guess they'd return a charity gift from Walmart since they exploit poor workers and child-laborers in the far east?

The pastor made the most sense. Verdugo, who is head of some idiotic moral outrage group (probably a bunch of uptight, holier-than-thou Christian hypocrites), doesn't speak for most people who follow Christ. I know it's hard for some farkers to believe, but it's the same as thinking that Al Sharpton speaks for all African Americans.