Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

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Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.

Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.

those people would have votebombed then. It's generally accepted that missing 1 round or maybe even 2 depending constitutes at most a loss of conduct. For "FF" to be a sufficient RFD, the losing debater must have forwarded absolutely no response to argument posed.

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Correction, it's Full Forfeit. Someone can miss a single round and still win on argument (usually they automatically lose conduct), but when they disappear completely (say half the rounds or more) it's customary to just vote in favor of the person who actually stuck around.

That's somewhat subjective, as different people use it differently. There are many that use the FF if only a round or two are missed.

those people would have votebombed then. It's generally accepted that missing 1 round or maybe even 2 depending constitutes at most a loss of conduct. For "FF" to be a sufficient RFD, the losing debater must have forwarded absolutely no response to argument posed.

So, what we have learned here is that there is no consensus on what FF means. =)

At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?

That is a concession, a whole other matter. Usually they get favorable conduct for it, but at the expense of automatically losing the argument. It's not the same thing as a forfeit, which is a clear breach of conduct.

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That is a concession, a whole other matter. Usually they get favorable conduct for it, but at the expense of automatically losing the argument. It's not the same thing as a forfeit, which is a clear breach of conduct.

no. You can concede a point and you can concede the argument. If you concede the argument that's FF.

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At 7/21/2013 8:52:58 AM, Ragnar wrote:So you're saying that it's bad conduct to be moved by someone else's argument, enough to change your mind? Or even to outright admit they had a better case?

That's not at all what I said. I said that if you give up your case and agree with your opponent's entire case mid-debate, you've lost the whole debate. That's a full forfeit. I've also never heard of anyone giving conduct to people who conceded some points. That's not a good thing or bad thing, it's just what you do in the process of molding a more compelling argument. Conduct is usually given to the other debater if the opponent doesn't show up for a round or 2. If the opponent doesn't show up for several rounds, that's also full forfeit.

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Call it what you will, I'll stick with calling such a concession and award conduct to them. I shall also not randomly shorten words in English to two of their characters. I mean we don't call Conduct CC, even when it has two C's in it.

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Call it what you will, I'll stick with calling such a concession and award conduct to them. I shall also not randomly shorten words in English to two of their characters. I mean we don't call Conduct CC, even when it has two C's in it.

If I'm reading this correctly. You're saying that you give conduct to people who forfeit rounds?

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At 7/21/2013 9:27:01 AM, 000ike wrote:If I'm reading this correctly. You're saying that you give conduct to people who forfeit rounds?

Sometimes one gives conduct credit for seeing the light. If one concedes (not forfeits), saying something like, "You know what, I never thought it could be done, but you have actually persuaded me that you're right."

It's a good thing to be able to recognize when one is in the wrong. It deserves reward. But, in such a situation, the persuasion vote will always go to the one who didn't concede. So it's not like the conduct vote will influence who wins. It's just a pat on the back for unusual self-candor.