I have no claim of expertise on tongues in cheeks, but, as far as online medicine is concerned, I do find this forum THERAPEUTIC, and participation is quite reasonable, regarding price, so, I was obliged to select online medicine procurement, among the listed possibilities. I am not certain, but the first choice in the poll appears to be gender biased, perhaps counterproductive to the modest goal of attracting female mathematicians to the forum....

there are many who are less skilled than me, i wish to help them
there are many who are more skilled than me, i wish for them to help me

i post here because i like assembler, i like programming, reading about other peoples experiences, knowledge and projects, this stuff is fun to me.. and fasm is greater than all the competition

vid wrote:

only here can I find people who code stuff as weird as me

... that's how i feel in this capitalistic mass-crappy-code-production-.NET world

also what he said , when i am helping someone programme in say C/C++ or even trying my best at some higher .net esq language it frustrates me when they really don't know what the hell their code is doing and it's very unoptimized : o

also i don't know why those people think it's hard to code a 'big' project in asm, i can write asm just as fast as C (which isn't much slower to write than C++)

there are many who are less skilled than me, i wish to help them
there are many who are more skilled than me, i wish for them to help me

same here

RedGhost wrote:

i post here because i like assembler, i like programming, reading about other peoples experiences, knowledge and projects, this stuff is fun to me

Almost same here too
I like to 'think', and programming is fun because it requires a lot of thinking (mainly algorithm designing/optimizing). I'm looking to extend my knowledge, i like to do this, and it's fun. And I like to think in low-level computer-logic.

vid wrote:

only here can I find people who code stuff as weird as me

... that's how i feel in this capitalistic mass-crappy-code-production-.NET world

Voted this too, feel almost the same, but it's a bit different. Mainly because this capitalistic mass-crappy-code-production-.NET is 'hurting' the CPU (poor implementation). For me, it's more about appreciation. Most people do not appreciate the CPU or other designs for that matter. And to appreciate things you'll have to pass the abstraction barrier. I always appreciate every design, because it's complex, and I don't want to feed 'junk' to the CPU because of my flaws (computers do not have human flaws, like lazy, easy, rushing, or human-logic which is absolutely different from computer-logic).

heh, that doesn't mean I'm coding perfect, btw.. just that I try to appreciate and prefer better code over easy code. I understand how computers' logic works, and it frustrates me when people code in such a way more appropiate to 'human logic' (like saying that matrices are magical and not just a series of multiplications, or, more low-level, just a series of bits...)

imagine you trying to read machine-code, it will be EXTREMELY hard. And it's valid for machines also. Making them read 'human logic' is hard for them, i.e slower.

example? C++.. it's much more closer to human-logic (i.e inheritance abstractions, OOP).. by all means, computers do not have these 'flaws' and execute 'random' code as well as 'organized' code. It's a matter of 'poor design' here, not necessary unoptimized algorithms.

that doesn't mean computers are always better than humans. they cannot 'think', they are not creative, we 'program' them to do something (even AI is still programmed in a way, and doesn't think of it's own, it's just programmed to react in certain circumstances). But, as I said, they are different from humans in many aspects.

RedGhost wrote:

also what he said , when i am helping someone programme in say C/C++ or even trying my best at some higher .net esq language it frustrates me when they really don't know what the hell their code is doing and it's very unoptimized : o

I always wanted to say that And I am never impressed by these kind of people, because they don't even know what they're talkin' about

I think my vote should have gone to "appreciation of computer design and understanding computers" or something like that

PS: I don't like much to be 'abstracted'.. even if I code in a HLL, i still think in computer-logic, or something like that anyway
sorry for such long post

I was in doubt:
"only here can I find people who code stuff as weird as me"
or
"JABC: just another bored coder (with no life)"
or
"a h4X0r l1k3 m3 n33d5 .45M m0re 7h4n f00d!"

so I voted "only here can I find people who code stuff as weird as me", because I really hate bloatware and people that call themselves "coders" while they are "designers" using "capitalistic mass-crappy-code-production-.NET" sh*t and know nothing about what's under the woods, they just think "I get it done in 5 minutes and sell it." and share the buggy-bad-coded-bloatware.
So, here with people that do what I call "the art of coding", I feel at home!

I visit this forum, because before or now when I need some help I can get it from here of from other source. Now I'm not a master, but I know a bit and I share my knowledge with those who need it like I did before.
Some time ago I'd surely write that coding is facinating and I'm a passionate of it. I don't mean I don't like it now, but I guess the System got me, because of all the life issues I don't have much time to code .

I often visit this board, masmforum.com, winasmcommunity.net, anticrack.de, but I've noticed that in the last several weeks I like to spend my time mostly here because of a lot of interesting topics, even though I never programmed a single app in fasm

I do enjoy how much I have learnt with FASM and how quickly I've picked it up, once I learnt the basics, its just very annoying when you've spent soo much time on something and achieved next to nothing...one day it'll probably all make sense and I'll be kicking myself

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