TEEN TONE SANE

Tim Blair

–,
Saturday,
November,
24,
2012,(6:33pm)

Speaking at a rally outside the Israeli embassy in Canberra, Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler said she was a student activist involved in the Australian Unions of Students (AUS), serving as a delegate to the AUS conference in Melbourne in 1974.

That gathering debated the proposal for a delegation of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) to visit Australia.

At the time the PLO group was classified a terrorist organization …

Ms Sattler said the AUS vote backed hearing from the PLO.

“Guess who was on the other side at that time – Tony Abbott,” she said.

So Abbott was opposed, even as a student, to terrorism. Good to know, but Sattler was on the PLO’s side:

“That was my first introduction to Tony Abbott and I’ve been his enemy ever since …

“He is a raving Zionist and has been since he was about 18 or 19. I don’t understand why he is, but he is,” she said.

“Thanks to Tony, I have been an avowed Palestine supporter ever since,” she said.

Ms Sattler might be the only person on earth whose position on the Middle East was decided for her by a teenage Australian.

Fred,
I would wear that criticism as a badge of honour.
And I would be eternally grateful for more of that type of criticism from the handbag mafia in an election year, if I was a conservative poli.

Ms Sattler seems to have a habit of backing losers. Was she not also involved in the “race riot” episode in the ACT? She seems to have an affinity to those who espouse violence however does so from a position of safety. Perhaps to express her solidarity with the Palestinians she could go and “light the fuse” on an Hamas rocket or two and give a two finger salute to the nasty Zionists across the Israeli border. But then I guess like a lot of these people who, from the safety of a democratic state, support a terror organisation and oppose a legitimate nation state defending itself she is really a gutless wonder. I’ve come across many of them over the years and they invariably back off when confronted. Nice to know T Abbott has been a supporter of a state under siege since his teen years. L’chaim.

Note the strong link to Jesus. Some may think this a coincidence, but not me.

All Jesuits are followers of Jesus. Jesus was a Jew. All Zionists are Jews. Ergo - TA is a Zionist.

Why can you all not see this? Plain to me.

( Send $1000 to me in Nigeria, and I will explain why TA is also a radicalised Muslim, Holocaust denier, and ... Other (please provide clearly your requirements to ensure accuracy of my expert analysis - as above).

David replied to David
Sun 25 Nov 12 (11:06am)

G’day Peter. How silly of me not to see the connection when it was staring me in the face - must have had my Zionist blinkers on. There is one error [minor though it is] in the logic. Not all Zionists are/were Jews. One Colonel Meinetzhagen -a very clever Intelligence type- of the WW1 British Army in the Middle East was a Zionist but not a Jew.

Do you still have that big bridge for sale I know someone who may be interested? For the appropriate commission of course and paid into a secret Union slush fund.

Peter of Mt Eliza replied to David
Sun 25 Nov 12 (12:50pm)

Sorry David, Bridge gone - but I do have a perfectly good Opera House, if your client is into the yarts.

I will just forward my notarised POA (some lawyers are so helpful). Could you winess same and proceed with forwarding the deposit, in cheque form, endorsed “Pay Cash”. Please don’t put proceeds into any fund, will just have to come out and be repaid when the ‘game is up”

Good of you to point out my logic error - just slipped into modern standards of logic slackness. Too much Faine in the morning has that effect.

And yes, there are many gentiles who righteously “do the right thing, because it is the right thing to do” , as with the Colonel. For no other reason.....

L’chaim

P.J. replied to David
Sun 25 Nov 12 (01:21pm)

I have a few Naira I could send, would that help? I know we shouldn’t have taken them out of the country, but there was nothing to buy at the airport in Lagos.

Someone may have beaten me to it but wasn’t the same Ms Sattler up to her ears in the Australia Day riot this year?

I doubt that Abbott was ever a ‘Raving Zionist’, but is it reasonable to say that because he was against listening to what the PLO had to say that that makes him an opponent of terrorism? The Middle East was chopped into kingdoms by the Western powers in the interests of those Western powers. The interests of the locals was irrelevent and everything that is happening today has its roots in that disregard.

Anybody who realises that war, as a means of resolving disputes, is something the human race should have left behind long ago. Instead, we’re getting worse. It’s disturbing to note how easily people can be herded toward the next war.

We cannot look at what is happening in Palestine today without looking at the origins. That means going back to even before 1948, back to the Balfour Declaration of 1917. And probably earlier still.

What’s happening at the moment is equivalent to somebody having their heads punched repeatedly and then finally giving a moderate slap in return. Then finding that everybody wants to focus on that slap without wanting to know what preceded it.

bruced replied to Cactusland
Sun 25 Nov 12 (09:22am)

‘...by the Western powers in the interests of those Western powers. The interests of the locals was irrelevant...’

Not true. Crank history. Doesn’t matter how many people spout this or believe it.

The facts are much more complicated, there was interactive mutual development. Western mistakes involved supporting the ‘wrong’ locals.

Consider, are you saying that non-westerners were just mindless sheep, herded against their will? Political theorists, especially of the Left, find this untenable. It dehumanises non-westerners, for a start.

I’m probably one of the few regular readers of this site who agrees that the Palestinians got a raw deal as a result of the establishment of Israel.

But
1) there are few areas of the world that haven’t suffered disruption from European powers, it’s a consequence of Europe having run the world from the 1700s until after WW2. The countries that have done best are those that don’t spend all their time obsessing about alleged or real colonial injustices
2) the Palestinians (and the Arab world as a whole) have consistently made things much much worse than they need to be. Had they accepted the partition plan after WW2, they would have had the Galilee and all of the West Bank as an Arab State. And the missed opportunities continue with probably the best possible outcome being the Clinton peace plan which would have seen virtally all of the West Bank plus East Jerusalem.

Mr. Know-it-all replied to Cactusland
Sun 25 Nov 12 (01:38pm)

The Middle East was chopped into kingdoms by the Western powers in the interests of those Western powers...The interests of the locals was [sic] irrelevent

Bollocks. Your history is failing you. The kingdoms of the Middle East have served as satrapies for successive imperial states. When Alexander the Great died, his generals divvied up the lot of them. That’s how the Ptolemies ruled Egypt as royals, not pharaohs, for a few hundred years. (Cleopatra VII was the first Ptolemy to be anointed Pharaoh because she was raised by priests in Thebes.)

Stop blaming western civilization for the region’s woes. If anything, the West and its Greco-Roman heritage has introduced the first sense of democratic reform and fiducial responsibilites starting way back courtesy of Gaius Julius Caesar. It’s a convenient excuse used by a conga line of dictators to distract their minions from their own corruption. In fact, the various powers over the millennia would not have been successful without the conspiratorial assistance of the locals.

If you want to take it further, Jews are indigenous to this region. Arabs invaded and took over around 640AD when they sent their caravans out of Arabia on conquest.

The Usual Suspect replied to Cactusland
Sun 25 Nov 12 (03:10pm)

Sorry Cactus, but can you justify the war is getting worse statement. Under what criteria is it getting worse? Number of wars? Number of dead?

J.M. Heinrichs replied to Cactusland
Sun 25 Nov 12 (06:51pm)

Iolanthe
“… the Palestinians got a raw deal as a result of the establishment of Israel.”
Actually, on 15 May 1948 the State of Israel was established, and the ‘Palestinians’ became ‘Israelis’.
Those who you apparently think of as ‘Palestinian’ are Arabs who migrated to the Holy Land to exploit the economic improvements created by the so-called Zionists. The true occupiers of the Land from time immemorial are the Jews and the Arab-speaking Christians; there being no such creature as a traditional Arab Christian.

Stef, what’s with the Red Rose logo on that site? Have the printers run out of Hammer And Sickle thingys?

Hanyu replied to Stefan
Sun 25 Nov 12 (06:16pm)

As an interesting sign of the time, Socialist International is a (presumably) registered NGO that has “consultative status (Category I) with the United Nations” (see in About Us).

It’s 2012 budget is £1,250,000, and in true socialist fashion it spent more than it earned in 2011 ("during 2011 the International’s total income was £916,007 with a total expenditure of £951,736).

The ALP is the only Australian member.

Interestingly, it has fairly extensive coverage in Africa and Latin America, but hardly any member organisations in Asia. Another reason to stay in Hong Kong, it seems…

Stefan replied to Stefan
Sun 25 Nov 12 (09:34pm)

Paratus,

Well, the clenched fist is still there!

Stefan replied to Stefan
Sun 25 Nov 12 (09:52pm)

Hanyu,

I think it has to do with the fact that most Asian nations (Japan, Taiwan and South Korea the exceptions) are either members or “observers” of the Non-Aligned Movement, and so they probably feel they are already part of a big Socialist-Islamic organisation/alliance.

This big bruiser Sattler played a key role in the Australia Day riot, has never had a job that didn’t involve unions or politics, attends protests against the nation of Israel and shrewdly uses the term “Zionist”, and is yet another person who has had to own up to being extraordinarily influenced by one T. Abbott.

So even at a tender young age Tone left a lasting impression on folks eh? Thanks for that valuable and incisive background briefing there Kim as it all helps to gain a fully rounded picture of our future PM. Well done in bringing that to our attention.

Ms Sattler proves she’s just a follower whenever she opens her mouth. Hamas are simply one group in a progression who have always found it so easy to ensure their inhabitants continue to feel underprivileged. If Hamas are feeling successful, they should take note of Assad in Syria who has just surpassed his dad’s record of 40000 deaths.

And was her gross distortion of Tony Abbott’s Aboriginal tent embassy remarks on Australia Day, which led directly to a mini race riot, really a misunderstanding, as she claimed to police? Or was it a deliberate attempt to embarrass her avowed enemy? My money’s on the latter.

Steady there Age Challenged 44 [being politically correct]. Mary was a good Jewish girl as was her son and on that basis he probably spends a good deal of his daily waking time talking to a couple of good Jewish people. L’chaim

In the contest between the civilised man and the savage, the likes of Sattler and her misbegotten comrades will always support the latter.

So a “raving Zionist” must be someone who uhh… Really wants Jewish people to live in the land of Israel.

Isn’t it funny how people who are so appalled by the idea of Jeeews having their own state never utter a peep about Islamic states (and aren’t we all better off for those!), Catholic states, Hindu states etc.

God forbid though that the Jewish people should have a place of their own.

old44 replied to peterg
Sun 25 Nov 12 (07:58am)

What is also strange is that the anti-zionists who don’t want Jews to live in Israel also don’t want them to live anywhere else.

Like a Tiger replied to peterg
Sun 25 Nov 12 (08:57am)

Hey Dan,
is there a definition for: a desire for people to remain in the country of their birth, instead of coming here, and relying on Australias goodwill?

I cant say I support the bullyboy naysayer, but you ve got to respect the way the Israeli Jews get down to business, surrounded by islamic troublemakers.

davo of the Red Empire replied to peterg
Sun 25 Nov 12 (09:27am)

Not disagreeing with what you say Dan, but there is a limit, and perhaps Israel is symbolic of it.

Wanting your own country isn’t, in itself, enough justification for giving them such a country. Should we give Kurds their own land, for instance? Or Laplanders? Or left-handed male lesbians who want to keep gay whales’ bicycles in the ground? Yes, that’s ridiculous, but do you truly believe that if you redraw the line for one group, you will never have to redraw the line for another? At some point, you have to say “this far and no further”. It happened for Israel, and look at the trouble it caused.

Of course, the real problem is that people are unwilling to rise above their cultural prejudices, and therefore perpetuate conflicts from the past that everyone else has forgotten about. - except for those who have no choice. And so the world turns…

Dan Lewis replied to peterg
Sun 25 Nov 12 (04:24pm)

Davo,

With respect the Jewish people have had a continuous, unbroken presence in that area for literally thousands of years. Even the Koran - hardly a pro-Jewish source - refers to Jews and makes no mention of “Palestinians”. The term “Palestinian” was largely unheard of prior to 1967.

So if people are talking about some Palestinian ‘right’ to a homeland - to do so in ignorance of the Jewish claim to the region is highly questionable. Those who argue the Palestinian version of history can never name a single Palestinian leader prior to Yasser Arafat (actually born in Cairo, Egypt).

Perplexed of Brisbane replied to peterg
Sun 25 Nov 12 (04:40pm)

Davo,

You make some good points but I just want to point out that Israel existed as a nation in her own land well before 1948 (several thousand years before) and was dispersed for various reasons.

So a new state wasn’t created but an old one reformed. I agree that it would be difficult or even unwise to give the Kurds (as you mentioned) a national boundary out of some other country as I assume they are a relatively modern group (apologies if they aren’t but I had never heard of them until the First Gulf War).

I agree that many current groups crying out for separate states are doing so along religious lines.

davo of the Red Empire replied to peterg
Mon 26 Nov 12 (05:54am)

As I said Dan, not disagreeing with what you say. But there is a bigger picture to consider as well.

Perplexed - see above. BTW, there was only one Gulf war. What happened in 2003 was the Iraq war.

“Guess who was on the other side at that time – Tony Abbott,” she said.

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