cardinals1989 wrote:The numbers on this round of JR2's also seem to especially high. I don't think they have really dipped far down at all, which is scary...

Nope. Pretty much everyone with sub-Harvard stats just got placed on hold/rejected. For a school of such reputed brilliance they sure have predictable strategy!

Well actually this makes perfect sense. HY divide up the pool of high numbers, the top numerical qualities. So without knowing the pool, what's the point of letting sub median applicants taking up seats (and therefore may force a late app to go to CLS ( ). So they hold everyone who historically could fit well but have lower numbers, to keep them around, and some will be in if the high numbers from the rest of the pool can't yield the rest of the class. So I predict, a little bit after the app deadline passes, many holds will be WL/dinged, and some will remain "held". Then a slow stream of JR1's out of that pool will go out until they fill the rest of the class.

I am still predicting a much softer pool this year, and a more cautious approach (actuarial formula impacted by last year's flood of applicants), so I am hoping for a more active March/April for us who got the hold.

There are only a very small # of seats for 170ers, so I am not holding my breath.

r6_philly wrote:Well actually this makes perfect sense. HY divide up the pool of high numbers, the top numerical qualities. So without knowing the pool, what's the point of letting sub median applicants taking up seats (and therefore may force a late app to go to CLS ( ). So they hold everyone who historically could fit well but have lower numbers, to keep them around, and some will be in if the high numbers from the rest of the pool can't yield the rest of the class. So I predict, a little bit after the app deadline passes, many holds will be WL/dinged, and some will remain "held". Then a slow stream of JR1's out of that pool will go out until they fill the rest of the class.

I am still predicting a much softer pool this year, and a more cautious approach (actuarial formula impacted by last year's flood of applicants), so I am hoping for a more active March/April for us who got the hold.

There are only a very small # of seats for 170ers, so I am not holding my breath.

pretty much agree with all of this. Except that I will definitely be holding my breath. i'll be holding it alright. holding it hard. and holding it long. holding it until HLS gives me the sweet release I need. wait.. what are we talking about again?

r6_philly wrote:Well actually this makes perfect sense. HY divide up the pool of high numbers, the top numerical qualities. So without knowing the pool, what's the point of letting sub median applicants taking up seats (and therefore may force a late app to go to CLS ( ). So they hold everyone who historically could fit well but have lower numbers, to keep them around, and some will be in if the high numbers from the rest of the pool can't yield the rest of the class. So I predict, a little bit after the app deadline passes, many holds will be WL/dinged, and some will remain "held". Then a slow stream of JR1's out of that pool will go out until they fill the rest of the class.

I am still predicting a much softer pool this year, and a more cautious approach (actuarial formula impacted by last year's flood of applicants), so I am hoping for a more active March/April for us who got the hold.

There are only a very small # of seats for 170ers, so I am not holding my breath.

pretty much agree with all of this. Except that I will definitely be holding my breath. i'll be holding it alright. holding it hard. and holding it long. holding it until HLS gives me the sweet release I need. wait.. what are we talking about again?

I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

dustinsc wrote:I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

dustinsc wrote:I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

This is incorrect. Please do some research man.

According to this site, UCLA's median starting salary is $160,000. I believe that was also in some UCLA materials I had (although I don't want to go through them to find out. That is exactly the number that the gentleman at Harvard quoted to me when we talked about finances in my interview. So if you've got better numbers, I'd love to see them.

dustinsc wrote:I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

This is incorrect. Please do some research man.

According to this site, UCLA's median starting salary is $160,000. I believe that was also in some UCLA materials I had (although I don't want to go through them to find out. That is exactly the number that the gentleman at Harvard quoted to me when we talked about finances in my interview. So if you've got better numbers, I'd love to see them.

No one has significantly better numbers, that's the problem. The reality is that the law schools are reporting extremely biased and skewed data, and you should not put any stock into those numbers. This is a very common discussion. Please read around TLS. Here's a thread I could dig up quickly, read it over: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=145436. Romothesavior's posts are highly credited.

dustinsc wrote:I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

This is incorrect. Please do some research man.

According to this site, UCLA's median starting salary is $160,000. I believe that was also in some UCLA materials I had (although I don't want to go through them to find out. That is exactly the number that the gentleman at Harvard quoted to me when we talked about finances in my interview. So if you've got better numbers, I'd love to see them.

No one has significantly better numbers, that's the problem. The reality is that the law schools are reporting extremely biased and skewed data, and you should not put any stock into those numbers. This is a very common discussion. Please read around TLS. Here's a thread I could dig up quickly, read it over: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=145436. Romothesavior's posts are highly credited.

Good thread; very enlightening. I'll keep that in mind as I weigh my options.

The problem is that I still have the dilemma. There's no guarantee that a Harvard education will financially make up for the significantly higher debt. I'm looking for thoughts from someone who might be in a similar situation.

cardinals1989 wrote:The numbers on this round of JR2's also seem to especially high. I don't think they have really dipped far down at all, which is scary...

Nope. Pretty much everyone with sub-Harvard stats just got placed on hold/rejected. For a school of such reputed brilliance they sure have predictable strategy!

Well actually this makes perfect sense. HY divide up the pool of high numbers, the top numerical qualities. So without knowing the pool, what's the point of letting sub median applicants taking up seats (and therefore may force a late app to go to CLS ( ). So they hold everyone who historically could fit well but have lower numbers, to keep them around, and some will be in if the high numbers from the rest of the pool can't yield the rest of the class. So I predict, a little bit after the app deadline passes, many holds will be WL/dinged, and some will remain "held". Then a slow stream of JR1's out of that pool will go out until they fill the rest of the class.

I am still predicting a much softer pool this year, and a more cautious approach (actuarial formula impacted by last year's flood of applicants), so I am hoping for a more active March/April for us who got the hold.

There are only a very small # of seats for 170ers, so I am not holding my breath.

This is the best response I have ever seen referring to Harvard's hold.

dustinsc wrote:The problem is that I still have the dilemma. There's no guarantee that a Harvard education will financially make up for the significantly higher debt. I'm looking for thoughts from someone who might be in a similar situation.

I may be unqualified to comment since I am not facing a similar situation (well at least not at Harvard, yet), but stop searching for guarantees or anything that's close to it. This is only the first step to a legal career, a lot of things can and will happen along the way that could drastically change the outcome. You are simply able to play the odds and hedge your bets right now, the dice are still sitting on the table waiting to be thrown.

dustinsc wrote:I had an interview 1/19 and got an acceptance phone call 1/24. I should be ecstatic, but the fact that I would have to pay full price for Harvard is giving me doubts about whether or not I want to go. I have a $120,000 scholarship to UCLA, and it looks like I'd be making about the same out of school going there.

Anyone else having the "pay full price for Harvard or scholarship somewhere else" dilemma?

This is incorrect. Please do some research man.

According to this site, UCLA's median starting salary is $160,000. I believe that was also in some UCLA materials I had (although I don't want to go through them to find out. That is exactly the number that the gentleman at Harvard quoted to me when we talked about finances in my interview. So if you've got better numbers, I'd love to see them.

Please go to UCLA where I can have your spot at Harvard and thus turn down money from schools ranked with/above UCLA

dustinsc wrote:The problem is that I still have the dilemma. There's no guarantee that a Harvard education will financially make up for the significantly higher debt. I'm looking for thoughts from someone who might be in a similar situation.

dustinsc wrote:The problem is that I still have the dilemma. There's no guarantee that a Harvard education will financially make up for the significantly higher debt. I'm looking for thoughts from someone who might be in a similar situation.

+1

1) This probably isn't the right thread for this conversation.

2) This conversation has been had many times on TLS so you could probably find a lot of relevant threads about people making similar choices.

3) I think a lot of people are, or could be, in a similar situation. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think most people who get into Harvard could get a full tuition scholarship at a T30 school. But the fact remains that most of them go to Harvard. It's a personal choice, and it really depends on your ambitions and your goals, what you want to get out of law school, the amount of importance you place on prestige, etc.