What you describe is familiar - it appears it's becoming usual. There could be many reasons, of course - not to mention the situation with Philip - but part of his job is to be a public figure - and with that come some realities. So there you have two more examples of William displaying displeasure publicly. He doesn't really mask it.

I wonder about him overall - I wonder about how close Harry hovers - I do see it as hovering. If one knows anything about the disjunct with their mother, I wonder how much of Diana's modus William carries in how he relates to a spouse. Is he engaging with his spouse in the sorts of ways Diana engaged with hers? It crosses my mind. Especially when I see the disquiet on Kate's face. Has she found herself dealing with something she didn't bargain for? It crosses my mind when I see William's public behavior, hear him speak, watch his interactions.

Living together the way William and Kate did and being married with all the in-laws as part of the equation are very different realities. Kate is making her way and appears to be doing well making connections positively. Does this please William?

Maybe it's none of it the marriage, as you and others suggest. Maybe it's his job - his two jobs, in fact. Maybe it's all the possible changes looming - but royalty always have personal lives that are the background noise to their public duties. Why should William be excused for not maintaining good presence regardless of his personal life issues? Why does suddenly not paying attention to Kate and making sure she is settled in a public setting not important - when once it was so very important?

Wow...where to begin? This is getting into a psychological territory, and I'm not psychologist so I don't want to say something and be totally off the mark. However, you did give me some things to think about; the way Charles and Diana interacted and the detachment we saw in her in later years (the only time she appeared engaged was when she was with children or those who were seriously ill), and how William is coping with everything. No doubt the fact that he has to make a decision regarding his RAF/SAR career is not making him happy, since he loves being in the background. Taking on royal duties full time isn't something he wanted to do (or thought he would have to do) for a long time.

__________________"My guiding principles in life are to be honest, genuine, thoughtful and caring".
~Prince William~

Well, one thing we can be dead certain on - we will never hear anything about the reality of the marriage from Kate. Those days are well and good over - thankfully.

I continue to be impressed with Kate.

My hope is that William gets over whatever issues he has from his past and stops being so contemptuous of the whole of the life he was born into and destined for.

I thought this forum was more factual than fiction unless you actually know William as a friend I dont think you should be assuming such things about him. Therefore I can only conclude that this is complete fiction that you are cooking up here. A bit of pot stirring for the sake of it.

Now heres a fact one might like to consider if you know anything about photography like I do then you would know that these photos are not moments they are miniscule parts of moments so fleeting we wouldnt actually notice them if they werent captured by rapid fired photography.

Second fact the weather was atrocious on the jubilee day prince phillip wasnt well they would have known this.
None of them really looked like they wanted to be standing out in the elements getting rained on in the freezing wind. I saw all of them looking cold it wasnt just William with clenched fists and a taut face and I only saw it as them bracing themselves against the crappy weather.
So I would imagine some of these expressions that are being loosely interpreted here are in fact only to do with the fact that it was a crappy day.

For the love of god lets not start stirring the pot when there is nothing in it.
Prince William appears to be nice enough and Kate doesnt look stupid enough to marry someone who is going to treat her badly. They have been together long enough to know what the each other are about.

When they make a public appearance its work therefore they will have a code of conduct they all have to adhere to including the Queen. You can bet your life that public snogging and groping arent included even if some of you are so desperate to see it.
This jubilee is about the Queen its her event to be celebrated they are just guests to her event William and Kate would not be thinking of behaving in anyway that was going to take the attention away from her main event.

The only good thing about this discussion gave me was that it was so far out of the ballpark I thought you were being funny I had a really good laugh so thanks for that at least

Therefore I can only conclude that this is complete fiction that you are cooking up here. A bit of pot stirring for the sake of it.

No. I have some thoughts about what I am seeing. Because what I see does not jive with what you see does not make what I see 'pot stirring'.

Too many assumptions and inaccurate cross-references to respond to all your points. You operate from a very powerful narrative of what must be going on. I am suggesting that it may not be what everyone believes they are seeing - and that is based on far more than a photograph or two.

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For the love of god lets not start stirring the pot when there is nothing in it.

I am not stirring any pot. I am saying what I think. I am describing what I see. Others are seeing it, too. That's what we do here - we comment on what we see.

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The only good thing about this discussion gave me was that it was so far out of the ballpark I thought you were being funny I had a really good laugh so thanks for that at least

Happy to have amused you. Interesting way you have of handling opinions that diverge from your own. I assume it works for you.

Anyway, its just an opinion. I often change my views. I have about Kate. So it goes.

When it comes to royals, any royal family we know nothing as fact except maybe birthdays, wedding dates and royal events that happen every year. As for emotions, feelings and whatnot we know nothing an rely on the press to 'inform' us or the occasional personal interview like we've seen these past two years. Nothing is fact, everything is debatable and most of it rumour.

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Second fact the weather was atrocious on the jubilee day prince phillip wasnt well they would have known this.

Actually on Pageant day, it is believed nobody knew about the infection because Philip would not have been allowed to attend he event. It is assumed, the infection came on that evening or he never told anyone until after the event was over. You cannot know when the royal family found out.

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The only good thing about this discussion gave me was that it was so far out of the ballpark I thought you were being funny I had a really good laugh so thanks for that at least

That's just rude. A poster is allowed to express their opinion without being trashed or laughed at my other members of the forum, it's uncalled for.

I really don't understand what some are talking about in regards to William's attitude at Trooping. I just watched some video of the balacony appearance (posted in the main British Royals section) and William seemed to be in good spirits. He was laughing and talking to Kate, Beatrice and the other royals. I honestly didn't see any bad mood.

My goodness but there are some very overactive imaginations at work on this thread. I have a feeling that people have a settled opinion on this couple and then go and hunt for pictures to somehow justify their fantastical presumptions. We can all do that. In this photo they're not only touching but both have smiles on their faces and are angled into each other. At his cousin's wedding last week he had his arm around her in almost all the photos. On all their joint engagements William is constantly checking to see if she's ok, although he'll probably do this less and less as it's clear that Kate's very capable of doing her own thing.

You can tell absolutely nothing about a relationship's dynamic from split second photos. In one of the photos used to 'demonstrate' William's distance from Kate, all he's doing is talking to his cousins to his left. What do people want him to do? Never talk to anyone else? Never let the gap between them go above 6 inches?

This sort of specualtion is utterly pointless. For all we know William had a headache on the balcony, or maybe he was dying for the loo and just wanted to get it over with? Or maybe he was just tired after sitting on a horse for almost 3 hours solid.

As someone said previously, Seal and Heidi Klum used to be very affectionate in public. They had several children very quickly and renewed their wedding vows on their anniversary every year. And yet, the relationship has failed.

Do I think Will and Kate are still in the super passionate stage of their relationship? No. But they've been together a long time, lived together for several years, and I think they not only love each other but have fun together too. They're a good team.

When it comes to royals, any royal family we know nothing as fact except maybe birthdays, wedding dates and royal events that happen every year. As for emotions, feelings and whatnot we know nothing an rely on the press to 'inform' us or the occasional personal interview like we've seen these past two years. Nothing is fact, everything is debatable and most of it rumour.

Actually on Pageant day, it is believed nobody knew about the infection because Philip would not have been allowed to attend he event. It is assumed, the infection came on that evening or he never told anyone until after the event was over. You cannot know when the royal family found out.

That's just rude. A poster is allowed to express their opinion without being trashed or laughed at my other members of the forum, it's uncalled for.

I really thought it was a joke I mean it seemed to be to be quite ridiculous to make those sorts of assumptions based on a few millisecond paparazzi snapshots.

So again you had inside knowledge that the royal family didnt know Phillip was ill? or was this mistaken for the fact that they didnt let it known publicly?

When I say fact I mean at least reliable reporting and words that actually come out of mouths not some feeling someone has on a forum.

Finally I was actually offended by the essence of the original comment backed with photolink evidence that there is looming trouble for Will and Kate and that William has problems it was horrible. I really like William and Kate and feel sad that people try to cut them down all the time.

So whilst we all feel like we can say what we want without consequence it appears that we have the ability to upset people.

So to anyone who was upset by what I wrote I apologise.

Can I also ask that we dont pursue this topic because its obviously a sensitive one and either side of the fence people are going to be offended by it. I wasnt the only one who thought it was going too far.

Actually on Pageant day, it is believed nobody knew about the infection because Philip would not have been allowed to attend he event. It is assumed, the infection came on that evening or he never told anyone until after the event was over. You cannot know when the royal family found out.

I just have to respond to this.... bladder infections do not just come on. They cause abdominal pain, lethargy, confusion, fever, chills with the symptoms buillding over days. The fact he went to hospital that night he would have been suffering.
You completely misunderstood the point I was making noone knows whether they knew he was ill or not I actually agree with you but it would have been more likely that his family where aware.

My goodness but there are some very overactive imaginations at work on this thread. I have a feeling that people have a settled opinion on this couple and then go and hunt for pictures to somehow justify their fantastical presumptions. We can all do that. In this photo they're not only touching but both have smiles on their faces and are angled into each other. At his cousin's wedding last week he had his arm around her in almost all the photos. On all their joint engagements William is constantly checking to see if she's ok, although he'll probably do this less and less as it's clear that Kate's very capable of doing her own thing.

You can tell absolutely nothing about a relationship's dynamic from split second photos. In one of the photos used to 'demonstrate' William's distance from Kate, all he's doing is talking to his cousins to his left. What do people want him to do? Never talk to anyone else? Never let the gap between them go above 6 inches?

This sort of specualtion is utterly pointless. For all we know William had a headache on the balcony, or maybe he was dying for the loo and just wanted to get it over with? Or maybe he was just tired after sitting on a horse for almost 3 hours solid.

As someone said previously, Seal and Heidi Klum used to be very affectionate in public. They had several children very quickly and renewed their wedding vows on their anniversary every year. And yet, the relationship has failed.

Do I think Will and Kate are still in the super passionate stage of their relationship? No. But they've been together a long time, lived together for several years, and I think they not only love each other but have fun together too. They're a good team.

I absolutely agree I feel really good about the future of the British royal family because of their relationship. Based on what they have been in public and how they conduct themselves in royal duties.

I just have to respond to this.... bladder infections do not just come on. They cause abdominal pain, lethargy, confusion, fever, chills with the symptoms buillding over days. The fact he went to hospital that night he would have been suffering.
You completely misunderstood the point I was making noone knows whether they knew he was ill or not I actually agree with you but it would have been more likely that his family where aware.

He didn't go to the hospital until the next day:

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The Duke was taken ill at Windsor Castle on Monday afternoon, 24 hours after he had stood on the deck of the royal barge, Spirit of Chartwell, in wind and rain throughout the Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant.

Doctors have said his bladder infection could have been brought on by his arduous afternoon, when he did not drink any fluids for several hours.

He was well enough to go carriage driving on Monday morning, but began feeling unwell when he got back and was taken to hospital in an ambulance, meaning he missed the Jubilee celebrations on Monday and Tuesday.

My goodness but there are some very overactive imaginations at work on this thread. I have a feeling that people have a settled opinion on this couple and then go and hunt for pictures to somehow justify their fantastical presumptions. .

I agree, but I can see that some posters would have had a thriving career with the News of the World. Lucky for them there are still some tabs they can apply to and pursue their career in gossip.

My goodness but there are some very overactive imaginations at work on this this forum.

I agree. In a way our speculation is just as bad as the paparazzi. IMHO, there is absolutely nothing worth speculating about. William is undoubtedly agonizing over the decision of whether or not to stay in the Air Force or begin his life long obligation to the "firm". It's a VERY major decision and I'm sure it's not easy for him. Let's give him a break!

I didnt say he didnt go to hospital until the next day probably a good idea to read the whole thread before commenting. This has spawned from a completely different topic not even related to the Dukes bladder condition :)

I agree. In a way our speculation is just as bad as the paparazzi. IMHO, there is absolutely nothing worth speculating about. William is undoubtedly agonizing over the decision of whether or not to stay in the Air Force or begin his life long obligation to the "firm". It's a VERY major decision and I'm sure it's not easy for him. Let's give him a break!

Its got completely out of hand!!!!! now its turned into when the Duke got a bladder infection and went to hospital!!!!! hilarious

I agree with you William is probably realising that the time is drawing near for greater responsibility as a royal. The Duke being ill is probably a reminder that the Queen is getting to the end of her official duties. But I think when the times right he will step up and take on the role.

I'm starting to think that the planetary alignment of Will's 30th birthday, his need to decide on his position with the RAF, the DOE's sudden illness (with the realization that his grandparents ARE 91 and 86), along with all of the hoopla surrounding the Jubilee, along with the media's constant interest in his wife, their marriage, her womb, have made him realize that life as he knows it will be quickly drawing to a close. Perhaps precipitously (I know it borders on heresy to suggest that his grandmother will not live to be as old as her own mother - but anything could happen to her at any time now, and his father is not a young man either). If he and Kate are happy as they are he must realize all of the changes looming. If there is an obvious reason for balled fists and somber looks, you need look no further. I feel sorry for him - I wouldn't want that change. If the photographs of the recent month reflect moodiness, I think you need look no further at all that this month means to this man.

i'm starting to think that the planetary alignment of will's 30th birthday, his need to decide on his position with the raf, the doe's sudden illness (with the realization that his grandparents are 91 and 86), along with all of the hoopla surrounding the jubilee, along with the media's constant interest in his wife, their marriage, her womb, have made him realize that life as he knows it will be quickly drawing to a close. Perhaps precipitously (i know it borders on heresy to suggest that his grandmother will not live to be as old as her own mother - but anything could happen to her at any time now, and his father is not a young man either). If he and kate are happy as they are he must realize all of the changes looming. If there is an obvious reason for balled fists and somber looks, you need look no further. I feel sorry for him - i wouldn't want that change. If the photographs of the recent month reflect moodiness, i think you need look no further at all that this month means to this man.