Because Brock's takedown and top-control skills have nothing on those of Ikuhisa Minowa?

No...because he's never played human tetris...

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I mentioned Mark Hunt. Y'know, the guy whose chin is his defining feature? Chin is relevant to the discussion.

We were discussing BROCK's chin. Mark's is not relevant. Maybe Lesnar doesn't have Hunt's chin (or maybe he does, who knows?), but he's not getting hit by Manhoef either. Kongo is not Melvin.

Originally Posted by Hesperus

Yeah, because trying to take someone down makes you immune to strikes.

Changing levels tends to take you out of the way of most punches. Especially if you do it while the punch is on it's way.

Originally Posted by Hesperus

Are we looking at different gifs? Manhoef was backpedaling.

Before he planted and hit Hunt, yes. If Kongo and Brock fought each other and Brock was stupid enough to chase him like Hunt did in the gif, then yes, he'd probably get KTFO'd. However, a backpedalling opponent is christmas for a wrestler, and Kongo would be on his back faster than a 2 dollar hooker with Jude Law.

Originally Posted by Hesperus

Yes, point was, anyone can get knocked out. The most unlikely of strikes can and do have profound impact on the other guy's ability to discern up from down. "Chin" means next to nothing. The ability to defend strikes does, and I haven't seen any of that from Brockle Snar.

So, you're picking Kongo based on the probability of a fluke? Sure, any random strike can unexpectedly have a devastating effect. The thing is, Kongo would be able to throw maybe 2 strikes before being taken down. That lessens the odds of one of those strikes being a knockout punch. Carwin has a way better chance than Kongo because he has both heavy hands and the ability to stay on his feet. The more punches a fighter can throw at anyone, the better chance one of them will land solid. Basically, Kongo would have the same chance Hayato Sakurai had against Matt Hughes.