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Comment by ov3rk11l

This spell is amazing at the level you get it at, and combined with seal of the crusader, it basicly renders you invincible when killing single mobs. I used to release judgment for it, and then activate seal of crusader so it can proc more often. It also makes mana efficiency great because now you dont have to worry about healing as much. Now the judgment has a different effect

Comment by Erethzium

Doesn't seem to be 100% chance, anymore.

Comment by dreadblood

im probably gonna be insulted, downrated and yelled at for saying this but this can help tanking, it heals you so it can help healers cus they wont have to cast as much, saving mana

EDIT: I see I was right ont eh downrating bit.. oh well I stand by my comment ^^

Comment by runbird11

lv 80 paladin base mana = 43944% of it = 175.76

Comment by Fushai

The only reason you'd want to have this buff enabled as a holy paladin is because of the new glyph - it's pretty much useless compared to the old Seal of Wisdom.

Comment by GryphonMD

Am I correct in assuming that our seals and judgements no longer grant healing or mana to the party, just to us? So other than being able to judge for a small (9%) haste buff, unless we melee or use the relevant glyph, it doesn't matter which seal we use now?

Interesting choice of something to nerf.

Comment by stevebat

Now only gives 4% base mana when judgemented which isnt much

Comment by CVSoprano

So, it would appear that weapon speed does not affect amount of healing. Doing a lot of at-level soloing of instances as Ret, and faster 2H weapon should generate more self-healing (at the cost of Seal of Righteousness damage).

Correct?

Comment by beowin

I have yet to get the 15% base mana restoration when casting the spell ... Blizzard and GM's have said this is a known bug. Any idea when this will be fixed?

Comment by Anaranjada

I use this seal when questing on my ret pally. (Obviously, I still seal Truth, or maybe Righteousness in instances.) The difference in the length of fights is minimal, and it significantly cuts down on downtime for healing/mana regen. If you find you're having a lot of downtime questing as ret, try switching to this seal for a bit and see if it helps.

Comment by Gnaught

Also with dummy testing i'm getting about 937 mana back when it procs (at level 85), which seems waaaay less than the every time you hit something it used to(See Seal of Wisdom that it replaced in that respect for healers) in WotLK for several thousand per proc with a smaller mana pool back then. Judging it nets me about 3513 now. Since both of our raid healing spells require you to be close to your targets you might think to still be able to sit in melee on bosses that dont move much, but don't expect to be able to heal with unlimited mana like the old days. The returns have been nerfed to the point where it's laughable. This is basically the best of a bunch of crummy seal options as a healer. If i judge it twice and get lucky on a couple procs it may be enough mana back to cover the cost of one large heal. whoo hoo.

Comment by Vaydra

The proc rate on the heal is 15ppm. This means that with a 2.6speed weapon it's heal proc is 65%, and with a 2.8 it procs 70% of the time. A 3.8second weapon will proc 95% of the time.

Haste and reckoning do not change the proc rate.

Edit: Proc rate increased 33% to make up for the recent bug fix with how this seal interacts with Hammer of the Righteous. This would make it a 20ppm seal and a 86.7% proc chance with a 2.6 speed weapon, and a 93.3% proc chance with a 2.8 speed weapon. Its 100% with any weapons with a speed of 3 or higher.

Comment by JonTargaryen

With the recent changes to threat, I wonder if this is the better seal for tanking.

Comment by Hrenyo

I went and hit a target dummy (autoattack only) for roughly 10min. Sadly I was at full health and I found out only later that recount doesn't record overhealing, so here's what I did without real proc counts:I had 133 normal melee swings and 10 crits, so a total of 143 swings.I got 85k mana back and each proc gave me roughly 1k, so that's 85 procs.

That is 8.5 PPM and a proc chance of 60%. I had a 2.6 swing timer.Obviously, in a real fight, you'd get much more procs, because of special attacks and ;I did 580 hps on myself, only from that (I was tanking), on Coren Direbrew.

Comment by Strifecloud

On 4.3 PTR Patch note it is revealed that Seal of Insight, when Judged, no longer returns 15% base mana to the paladin. Judging Seal of Insight still causes damage, and melee attacks will still restore 4% of base mana.

Oh boy this one is gonna raise some controversy :P

Comment by Alquiora

I have a ret pally and sometimes I would use this seal especially against rogue 1-on-1. I must say that quite often rogues would get frustrated because of the healing procs. Combined with word of glory with 10 seconds cd, they would even leave me alone, looking for other target instead.

This is a very useful seal when your health is low or when you fight against a melee with higher dps than you. I think many ret pallies undermines the usefulness of this seal in PvP.

Comment by Yakeshi

I assume this DOESN'T stack with the Lifestealing enchant? (Legitamate question, please do not downrate)

Comment by Undermanager

When they nerfed Seal of Truth damage by 80% two days ago, I switched to Insight and since then I think I had the most fun tanking as a prot paladin ever.

Comment by LafinJack

This is pretty great for tanking. I've had a couple healers comment that that they barely need to heal me, even in heroics. No wonder, since I've got the Colossus proc shield going, along with the more consistent Sacred Shield, then Holy Prism healing me and those around me, and the Battle Healer glyph healing everyone, and then this on top of all that, I feel like a pretty damn solid tank - and no threat issues at all so far.

Comment by Vanika

Was this nerfed, in the reset today? My paladin used to get healed for every mob my attacks hit (so AoE attacks like HotR worked well for soloing groups of NPCs), but today I'm only getting healed for the one mob I have targeted. Anyone else noticing this, or am I crazy?

Comment by Googolplex

Nerfed badly now, it wont keep you alive while soloing anymore :(

Comment by DeepsideDj

No longer procs from multiple targets, only once. Makes me wonder if it's bugged or intended because this is a huge @#$%ing nerf.

edit :The area of effect component of Hammer of the Righteous will no longer activate Seal of Insight or Seal of Justice.

#$%^!

Comment by dlbert2000

I know that it was more than likely not intended to proc off of multiple HOTR hits, since it never has in the past. But man this nerf REALLY sucks after having it so long. There goes my amazing survivability against aoe packs as ret and prot. Now I get to use those pesky holy power on wogs, yay.