Erix:Like I said, I really enjoy the series despite his biatching, and it's largely because at least they made it relatively understandable. But it would similarly be difficult to watch a show that had 5 minutes of crying babies every episode, no matter how realistic and central to the plot it is.

I remember one scene when he was fighting an angel, and literally all he had was thrust the knife forward to win. It wasn't even his first fight and he had people screaming at him to just stop crying and do it, but he just wouldn't farking do it. Certain episodes went beyond conceivable fear induced whining.

Erix:DaStompa: For what its worth (nothing i guess), I didn't like the lack of buildup and total mental breakdown after his eva goes bezerk and crushes the other eva's pilot plug thing in the re-do

I haven't watched the remakes yet, even though I have the first one sitting in my house right now. I'll need to give it a go soon, but I'm doubtful it will be as good as the original. Except for the end, which would be hard to not have done better.

At least go watch the first one. It condenses the first seven or so episodes into one surprisingly awesome movie. And this is coming from someone who really didn't enjoy the original series, so no fanboy blinders. The second movie is a bit different but still pretty good, and features a surprisingly bad-ass Shinji.

If you watched the dubs originally like I did I recommend picking the US blu-ray releases as they look great and got almost all the original voice cast back, excepting Gendou iirc.

And I can't freaking wait to see this movie. The apparent blending of Eva, Macross, and Portal themes is making me giddy. Only thing that really worried me from the trailer was the pilot suits for some reason.

Tax Boy:buntz: No way they use GLaDOS in this movie and NOT have it mean something. It's TOO distinctive a voice to have it just be "a voice"It would be like having Darth Vader's voice, WITH the breathing, as another voice over. It's too iconic to be coincidence.I say this movie is a precursor, and it's all part of the same universe? Maybe now we know what Cave Johnson was doing all this testing for? To fight monsters?

Cave Johnson here. Now, I've been hearing that there are rumors circulating among Aperture employees that we've discovered giant monsters from outer space. Let me be clear that those rumors are a bunch of bull.

Believe me, if there were giant space monsters out there we would have found them, and the boys down in Giant Space Monster Fighting Tech Development wouldn't be sitting on their asses all day playing cards. Do those layabouts think I'm made of money? Well they shouldn't because those transfusions didn't take.

Now there also have been rumors that the new Portal Device XK-6 we've been trying out have been turning test subjects into giant monsters. We'll be reverting back to the old reliable XK-5s until we get that worked out.

So get off your duffs and get to work, Giant Space Monster Fighting Tech Development. Science marches on.

I grew up on Inframan, Battle of the Planets, and the very beginning of Voltron, but this is just dumb. The story is straight out of Japanese giant monster films of the 60s/70s and adding Hollywood EXPLOSIONS isn't going to do anything different. I can't figure out why Guillermo del Toro is doing this WHEN HE SHOULD BE DOING MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS!

I grew up on Inframan, Battle of the Planets, and the very beginning of Voltron, but this is just dumb. The story is straight out of Japanese giant monster films of the 60s/70s and adding Hollywood EXPLOSIONS isn't going to do anything different. I can't figure out why Guillermo del Toro is doing this WHEN HE SHOULD BE DOING MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS!

Did you actually seeBattleship?

/if not your post is stupid//have yet to meet anyone that wasn't pleasantly surprised by that film

buntz:No way they use GLaDOS in this movie and NOT have it mean something. It's TOO distinctive a voice to have it just be "a voice"It would be like having Darth Vader's voice, WITH the breathing, as another voice over. It's too iconic to be coincidence.I say this movie is a precursor, and it's all part of the same universe? Maybe now we know what Cave Johnson was doing all this testing for? To fight monsters?

And they use the word "portal" and the human robot suits have the same blue and orange hues of the multiplyer bots. I'm sure I'm reading into this a lot, but there's no question it's GLaDOS. And I don't buy the "just a homage" thing. It's GLaDOS. Seems an odd thing to do with ZERO connection to the universe. And it seems weird Valve would allow it with ZERO connection (maybe Black Mesa makes the robots?)

Here is my wild theory caused by sleep deprivation that I cooked up last night. The movie takes place in an alternate universe created by the Resonance Cascade. In this universe, instead of multiple small portals to the Xen and Combine universes, there is instead one large portal to the Kaiju universe. Copies of the GlaDOS AI were brought from Aperture Science and inserted into the jaegers. Originally, they were to be drones instead of human-driven, until it was discovered the AIs were too unstable and, well, homicidal. At that point, it was too late to replace the AIs, so they made it so that it needed two human minds in order to keep the AIs in check, which explains why there needs to be two pilots.

At some point in the film, the GlaDOS AI says something like "Target Acquired....and afterwards, there will be cake." This will be the "oh shiat" moment, as the jaeger begins attacking the humans instead of the monsters. The closing scene can be one of two things. The G-Man nonchalantly watching the spectacle, straightening his tie before walking off, or two background characters we've seen throughout the film joining forces, one, a geeky, goatee'd bespectacled guy wielding a crowbar, and a ponytailed girl of undeterminate race holding a portal gun, they nod at each other, the screen goes black and we get an endcredits song by Jonathan Coulton.

I grew up on Inframan, Battle of the Planets, and the very beginning of Voltron, but this is just dumb. The story is straight out of Japanese giant monster films of the 60s/70s and adding Hollywood EXPLOSIONS isn't going to do anything different. I can't figure out why Guillermo del Toro is doing this WHEN HE SHOULD BE DOING MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS!

Did you actually see Battleship?

/if not your post is stupid//have yet to meet anyone that wasn't pleasantly surprised by that film

Hi. My name is Jim from Saint Paul.

Battleship sucked my nuts. It was like watching Transmorphers with a much bigger budget and far superior CGI.

No reason this couldn't take place after HL2ep2, whatever happened to the Borealis and all that opened a rift in the ocean floor and the Combine starts sending monsters through, Black Mesa and Apeture have to start building giant robots...

It probably doesn't tie into the Half Life universe at all, as cool as that would be, but I at least hope one of the monsters doesn't have eyes on his face and has them on his hands or wings or something...

That's what we need, entire episodes of "I mustn't run away. I mustn't run away. I mustn't run away..."

/Thank goodness Rebuild of Eva has a more tolerable Shinji

Great series, but man, that kid was the most intolerable whiney biatch (I know that was kind of the point, but damn did it get grating).

For what its worth (nothing i guess), I didn't like the lack of buildup and total mental breakdown after his eva goes bezerk and crushes the other eva's pilot plug thing in the re-do

He doesn't get the chance, but he still goes nuts and threatens his father and Nerv HQ. The fight against that Eva, and the fight against the next angel are far more brutal affairs in the re-do.

Also, Mari's english voice is absolutely awesome, and her fights were fun as hell.

Shinji isn't really whiny to me, hes a 14 year old who honestly wants to be anywhere but in the cockpit of a 30 story weapon of mass destruction fighting a war he knows pretty much nothing about. It's like having a jr high student storm the beaches of Normandy without prior knowledge of the Nazi war machine.

Best part of the remakes is the stronger focus on Rei and Shinji in the films. Their relationship takes center stage, as far as character interactions goes.

This. It's what made the characters in shiatty series like Gundam Wing look like psychopaths. No sane fourteen year old would relish killing.

/actually prefer dub to sub nowadays//Japan cast is WAAAAAAAY better in this case though

For me it's all about what I watched originally. If I watch anything new today I'll watch it subbed because it's closer to the original intent voice-wise. Half the time they really screw up characterizations when they dub it. But it feels *wrong* to watch something I originally watched dubbed (most likely because it was on TV) because the characters look the same, but sound completely different. If I rewatch one of my favorite series, Crest of the Stars, I do it with the horrible dub because that's how I saw it on Tech TV originally.

She's cute, but I could never buy her being a super-ninja-killing-machine. Now if you want a giant chick fighting monsters, may I suggest Gina Carano? She's hot, she can kick ass, and she her acting is decent.

Vangor:buntz: And they use the word "portal" and the human robot suits have the same blue and orange hues of the multiplyer bots. I'm sure I'm reading into this a lot, but there's no question it's GLaDOS. And I don't buy the "just a homage" thing. It's GLaDOS. Seems an odd thing to do with ZERO connection to the universe. And it seems weird Valve would allow it with ZERO connection (maybe Black Mesa makes the robots?)

My thoughts almost exactly. The voice is identical, not simply reminiscent, and this is not a voice done without manipulation. Same nonchalance and same strangely rising tone (heck, the "3, 2, 1" countdown could've been taken right from Portal 2). And then looking towards the suits, a portal, etc., I have to think some connection, even simply strong references, has been made. Maybe Black Mesa or Aperture are involved in development of the robots or accidentally unleashing those monsters (guess which is involved with which) and there is no crossover or aligning further with the games but something.

If the Pacific Rim movie turns out to be the lead in for HL3, I may as well just write all my future paychecks to Valve.

MisatoNERV:It's what made the characters in shiatty series like Gundam Wing look like psychopaths. No sane fourteen year old would relish killing.

Technically they were mentally unbalanced and the majority had tortured backgrounds. Souske from Full metal panic followed a similar path as a child solider, but it lent credence to his professional soldier image.This sort tends to be pre-broken. Killing isn't as much of an issue to them as failure is.

"Normal" kids (like Leo from Zone of enders, Ayato from Rahxephon, Kira from Gundam seed, Renton from Eureka 7 (best of this lot, imo), and Akito from Nadesco) either start out thinking that robots are awesome or are reluctant.They break down as the consequences of their actions hit home, but it doesn't take much to get them started.

Shinji snaps before anything traumatic had a chance to happen.Going from a symbol of absolute temerity to battle crazed axe murderer in under thirty seconds ...could have used a bit more explanation.

The Golden Gate Bridge really needs to be demolished. Every interplanetary/interdimensional/mutant badass hates the thing and targets it first for destruction. Obviously, it must represent some massive FU to every non-human in the multiverse. No wonder everyone is always attacking us.

Get rid of the blasted thing and marshal in a new era of pax universalis.

/Been looking forward to this movie for a while//Don't like the scale creep that seems to be going on, the robots keep changing size.///Did they really have to make the Russian robot look like a nuke cooling tower and name it for Chernobyl?

That's what we need, entire episodes of "I mustn't run away. I mustn't run away. I mustn't run away..."

/Thank goodness Rebuild of Eva has a more tolerable Shinji

Great series, but man, that kid was the most intolerable whiney biatch (I know that was kind of the point, but damn did it get grating).

For what its worth (nothing i guess), I didn't like the lack of buildup and total mental breakdown after his eva goes bezerk and crushes the other eva's pilot plug thing in the re-do

He doesn't get the chance, but he still goes nuts and threatens his father and Nerv HQ. The fight against that Eva, and the fight against the next angel are far more brutal affairs in the re-do.

Also, Mari's english voice is absolutely awesome, and her fights were fun as hell.

Shinji isn't really whiny to me, hes a 14 year old who honestly wants to be anywhere but in the cockpit of a 30 story weapon of mass destruction fighting a war he knows pretty much nothing about. It's like having a jr high student storm the beaches of Normandy without prior knowledge of the Nazi war machine.

Best part of the remakes is the stronger focus on Rei and Shinji in the films. Their relationship takes center stage, as far as character interactions goes.

This. It's what made the characters in shiatty series like Gundam Wing look like psychopaths. No sane fourteen year old would relish killing.

I can't help but feel like you missed the point of that show. The characters WERE psychopaths, the whole show was about how horrific war is and how it mentally damages people. The pilots of that show were the ultimate representation of that, children raised in Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness' essentially.

Soup4Bonnie:When I was young we called that Ultraman and it came on right after Speed Racer.

It's actually a whole genre. Ultraman, Kamen Rider, and Super Sentai (adapted in the US as the Power Rangers) are some of the more famous television ones. Movies like Godzilla and Gamera would count as well.

Well, I saw some darkness, then some rain, then some more darkness, then some people running in the rain, then nighttime, and some Spielberg Flashlights, and rain. And then Optimus Prime fell on his ass.