Its no big deal hauling it to the man. The thing will come apart in 12ft sections as is. And we can get a driving permit from the artery to drive the pieces there.

As far as dg is concerned. Its just a base cost that must be dealt with if we burn it on sight. For any burn suggestions consider the dg a default as we are not allowed to burn on sight without it.

That said, the cost of dg will be pretty high as we will need to cover a very large area. I would love to see it burn. I know by the time it comes I will want to see it burn. I would rather haul back a bunch of ash and scraps then the whole damned thing :).

I was thinking about seeing what could be built with it to burn after we disasseble in. We could take the panels to the man and see if any of the heavy lifting guys want to stack it on the burn platform and light it up.

Too bad... I think it'd be a great place to watch the Man burn... all night, if desired.
Probably a dumb question but I truly do not know, as I've never had reason to ask: Any chance it could be tossed on the Temple's pyre?

I think that it's possible. You'd just have to have it all ready to go before the burn and then toss it in when they remove the perimeter.
In some way, it might work better as part of someone else's burn. Then you could treat with them directly. Of course, that's likely to be on Friday. or maybe saturday post-man.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

I'm sure it's corny, but I keep seeing the Pier as a place to watch all your roadblocks get destroyed on Saturday, like setting all your hurdles and rites on a junket, pushing it out to sea, and watching it burn.
That's why I see a Sunday burn. The Pier having been sort of a Temple in its own right, throughout the week.

fbcota wrote:If it burns its either a Sunday after the temple burn or monday burn. We were actually thinking of doing a dawn burn sunday night/ monday morning.

That might be extreamly cool. I do wonder how much of the schedule is up to you. If the llc doesn't want to allocate the fire personel, you're sol. Of course, you have to work with them no matter when the burn is.
But if you do the monday morning burn, expect to leave on Wednesday. YOu ahve to wait for the ashes to cool and then clean up them and the granite.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

Yea, I completely overlooked the fact that the org will want some professional fire people around for something like that. Blarg. That could be a major hiccup in this whole burning plan.

Guess burning on the man platform may be the way to go for now. I could talk to heavy lifting and see if they want to help make a pyramid with the 12ft frames. Then we could just burn that. We could have our big burn and not worry about the substancial costs.

I wonder if I could get a dialog going with the org about this whole thing. It would be so fun to burn, but only if the costs arn't absurd.

I think in a general sense you could. I think they have to. I'd start by reading things on the website and seeing if you can find some people who have done large scale art and burns just to get an idea what's going on.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

You'll have to register your burn with the Pyro folks & Artery, no matter when /how it happens... some large pieces (this sounds large!) can be moved into the Man & Temple embers, but must be scheduled in advance. You are required to have legit crew at your burn, if an 'unscheduled', large burn happens, the guys with the firetrucks come and put it out (I'm sure they love the opportunity to use all that big equipment!)... then you're left with a wet, hot mess...
I don't think it costs you anything, just pre-planning & filling out paperwork; then an on-site inspection once completed... they've got trained crews to handle all of those big burns efficiently...

Honestly, I wondered the same thing, myself, at one point. Even thought "Maybe two 150-foot piers would be better!". Dunno.

300 feet is fucking awesome. And massive. Massive in its awesomeness and awesome in its massiveness. I could see it being a bit of a space hog on the playa, believe it or not; but then, Critical Tits tends to make the entire city impassable without going way the fuck out of your way just to go 4 blocks from where you stand, so perhaps something like that isn't as big of an issue, city-wide.

Ultimately, off the top of my head my opinion is that it should stay at 300 feet, being shortened only in a case of absolute need or overwhelming practicality.

Plan right now is about 6 ft wide, at least that is how wide the frame will be. With the bit of overhang from the decking it will be about 6' 6". I keep referencing in my head the length of a football field, which is a nice distance in my head.

At 300ft it is a wall that prevents anything big from passing, mostly just art cars though. Considering it is 6ft high at the middle it should only block everything else from passing by it for about 150ft. It would be funny having the small art cars parked under it during the day or driving under during the night. Guess that means I need some lights on the longer supports too :S.

A friend had a great idea (that is most likely way too hard to implement) that involved making led coral and anemones to put at the base of the supports. It would be so cool, and sooooo much extra work.

Here is how the 300ft number came to being. Original idea was about 100ft. About the length of the short piers up in Tahoe (were I live). But that felt a bit puny. I wanted something massive, or at least damn long. So why not double it. So 200ft it was. So the build team for the last project looked around and tried to find a length that was 200ft. We thought the back yard of the warehouse we were working in was 200ft long and that made us happy. Well, we were wrong, it was 300 and so it became 300ft. In other words, its an arbitrary number. I don't want to go longer (its about 1500lbs per 50ft, I think) but I want it too look looooooong.

So I am thinking of making it a bit wider at the start and skinnier at the end. Creating the illusion that it is even longer.

Ohh, we have talked about making it curve a couple degrees. This one is kinda teasing my brain. How do I easily do this with pre-build 12ft frame pieces. Maybe just a couple small spacers between each section and bolt them?

You took the thought right out of my mind fbcota! Last night after some wine I thought, "how wide is this thing supposed to be?". I imagined the beginning to spread out quite wide, like a river delta, maybe 12 feet. It would quickly (over 20 feet) narrow to a thin width of around 6 feet and begin to gradually narrow until it reaches the end where the width would be about 4 feet. I suppose the river delta would be the best analogy I can give you. I liked the idea of the delta at the beginning because it would allow for a small gathering point and performance area similar to a boardwalk. This could be a social zone before you begin traveling to the end of the pier.

Maybe the bait shop could be built onto the delta area (off to one side) and we can have a pulley right next to it to hang hippie fish upside down so the fishermen can take a picture with their catch! Ok, thats just me running wild with the idea... Best of luck in planning.

Hmmmm, I like that idea. I wonder if the pulley for hanging your hippie fish could be made out of a silk or some bondage gear. Ohh, would be so cool having everyone posing for pictures with their catch. This will require some brainstorming. An inversion table would work too.

fbcota wrote:Ohh, we have talked about making it curve a couple degrees. This one is kinda teasing my brain. How do I easily do this with pre-build 12ft frame pieces. Maybe just a couple small spacers between each section and bolt them?

Well, if you wanted to make it curve, as an example, to the left... then construct your segments and cut an angle off the left side. Basically, mark an inch on the left side (or less, depending on how gradual you want the curve to be) and draw a line from that mark to the right corner. Then, cut off that small little wedge. This will make the left side one inch shorter than the right, but you won't be able to see it until the segments are stacked together. They will eventually make a slow, progressive curve to the left.

One thing that would really complete the picture would be to somehow capture the smell of sea air, although short of letting some fish rot (and dealing with the subsequent moop) I'm not sure how one could replicate it.

BM is sensual overload as far and sights and sounds but short of dirty hippies, potties and the occsional whiff of flesh on a barbie the nose is often overlooked (albeit probably more due to logistics than anything else).