Tbh brood this just comes down to you not playing enough and thinking general statistics won't get dilluted to the point of irrelevance during your climb.

Think of it this way: cards added to your deck don't go to the universatility [deck] but instead fall into [good draws] or [bad draws].

Good and bad draws are dynamic groups reliant on mus and thinking in a broad sense of aggro/control the 2nd phase of white eyes should never fall into the bad draws group.

Now, comparing it to Elise is just wrong. It has one less phase and directly affects the board on either of them. A 5/5 taunt for 5 isn't understated whatsoever and while I do think next expansion will bump silence you're still forcing a resource into something that's not valiant, rag or those troublesomely protected ft/manatide. It also has barnes synergy which is the card pushing the strongest build currently and guess what? It won't cycle until 2018.

At this point I feel we're wasting time arguing whether the card is good or bad regardless of the list you add it to so if you do change your mind to the correct opinion just ask yourself if running this wouldn't bump your odds of not drawing unstable portal v cw or anything that sits in your hand v aggro.

Originally Posted by fournsix

Just put it next to fire ele (typically praised for increasing win% vs cw) and ask yourself if you wouldn't run white eyes over it.

Originally Posted by fournsix

Midrange shaman isn't a 30cards deck. There are around 22 locked cards and the rest is subjective to preference and expected mus.

2nd spirit wolves is more often than not cut for a finisher (ie alakir or blust) or even horserider. There's a recent top 10 list which runs a single valiant. Sometimes you even cut a ls depending on what you expect to face.

I'm not saying white eyes ever becomes a midshaman staple because it doesn't follow the theme, it's mostly just a decent strong early body with a malorne type of effect. But it's definitely able to cheese games often enough to see play.

Originally Posted by tides

use the generic title given to a deck for the argument and disregard everything else

the most relatable card is azure drake so you guys are naturally drawn to that to replace it in the hypothetical scenario. so the main comparison here is how many games azure drake would win where a 5/5 taunt wouldn't win to how many games using the 5/5 and adding the 10/10 to your deck would win. if you really care you can just run 100 ladder games right now and figure that out.

but yeah, the list has alot of replaceable cards and depending on what the common lists of the day are it's a good tech card and can very easily be fit into the list.

jade golems and all in lists kinda make the card shit in comparison to this meta for next meta though