8,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses Did Not Vote

To maintain their political neutrality

Amid calls from the two political parties in yesterday’s runoff election for Liberians to vote, as it is one of the most critical ways that an individual can influence government decision-making, not all Liberians responded to the call. Some of those who did not respond belong to the Christian group known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, who believe that as Christians they should remain politically neutral, based on what the Holy Bible teaches about Christian neutrality in politics.

The Daily Observer has reliably gathered that the more than 6,000 baptized Jehovah’s Witnesses in the country and some of their followers (those who have not been baptized, but attend services) – about 2,000 of them – did not vote in the national elections.

“We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments,” an elder of a congregation in Monrovia, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Daily Observer in an exclusive interview. “We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office (John 6:15).”

The elder said Jesus also taught his disciples not to be “part of the world” which, he said, means that Christians should not take sides in political issues. (John 17:14, 16; 18:36 and Mark 12:13-17.) The elder said remaining politically neutral will allow them to speak freely to people of all political persuasions about the Good News of God’s Kingdom.

He argued that political participation and elections affect religion, because religions that meddle in politics divide their members. “Although, we do not take part in politics, we respect the authority of the government because it is in harmony with the Bible’s command to ‘Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities.’”

He said: “We obey the law, pay taxes and cooperate with efforts of the government to provide for the welfare of its citizens. Rather than participate in an attempt to subvert the government, we follow the Bible’s counsel to pray for ‘kings and all those who are in positions of authority,’ especially when they are making decisions that could affect freedom of worship.”

The 2017 runoff election was characterized by poor voter turnout across the country.

Meanwhile, according to the website of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, their political neutrality is not a modern innovation, indicating that the Apostles and other first-century Christians took a similar stand towards government authorities.

The Witnesses also do not celebrate Christmas and Easter as other Christians do neither do they join the military, honor images that represent countries or donate blood.

“We are a group of Christians who proclaim the truth about Jehovah; we are not a cult. We follow strictly the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings,” the Elder said.

According to their website, www.jw.org, Jesus commanded his followers to commemorate his death, not his birth.—Luke 22:19, 20. It said Jesus’ Apostles and early disciples did not celebrate Christmas.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia says that “the Nativity feast was instituted no earlier than 243 [C.E.],” more than a century after the last of the Apostles died.

It said there is no proof that Jesus was born on December 25 as his birth date is not recorded in the Bible and therefore, the Witnesses believe that Christmas is not approved by God because it is rooted in pagan customs and rites—2 Corinthians 6:17.

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The fact that Jehovah’s Witness members did not vote is not a big deal. They have been like that for generations! Like many Christian denominations, the Jehovah Witnesses have all kinds of beliefs. When a member of their sect is low on blood, they will not accept a blood transfusion. Now, they’re telling us that Jesus was anti politics. First of all, blood transfusion is a good way of saving the life of a sick individual. Secondly, Jesus’s mission on earth was not political. God didn’t intend to do politics with anyone neither did God intend to send a political message. To whom would He send a political message anyway?

Look, let’s go about our business in Liberia and not think about these people, please. Better things to talk about and do in Liberia than doing the Jehovah Witness dance. Alright, people?

You have NO idea what you’re talking about! I think you, before you make any statements, about Jehovah’s Witnesses or any other matter for that regard, need to research the topic. Thus, soon you end is summed up in this verse:
Psalm 14: 1 The foolish one says in his heart:“There is no Jehovah.”Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good.

Political neutrality has long been a hallmark of Jehovah’s Witnesses, at least in theory if not always in practice. Any use of national flags, whether by means of saluting or displaying them, has traditionally been viewed as a forbidden form of idolatry – a rejection of “kingdom rule” in favor of human governments.

For example, a 1977 Watchtower insisted that “while respecting the rights of others to do what they want, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not share in flag ceremonies.” (w77 1/15 p.63)

Imagine, then, the surprise of many devout Witnesses to behold the spectacle of at least two kingdom halls in Chile displaying the national flag at the front of their buildings – alongside the JW.org logo!

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Chile has a special two-day national celebration, known as Fiestas Patrias, on September 18th and 19th. On these two days, ALL public buildings are to display the national flag, either on a flag pole or otherwise adorning the front of the building. Any institutions that refuse to show the flag do so at the risk of paying a fine.

Though reportedly some congregations would rather pay the fine than display a national symbol on a building dedicated to worship, it seems not all the bodies of elders in Chile see it as a problem.

Some have suggested that the disparity has been caused by congregations being instructed by the branch that they can decide for themselves whether to show the flag or not, but that if they refuse to show it they will be liable themselves for paying any fine. This has yet to be verified.

Whatever the thinking behind this, to display national flags at the front of dedicated kingdom halls flies in the face of the supposed political neutrality stance – an issue that was highlighted so graphically by the Mexico-Malawi scandal of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It seems that the extent to which Witnesses observe political neutrality depends largely on what part of the world they live in and, crucially, how much money is involved.

JWs believe the Bible is “God’s inspired message to humans.” In 1961 a JW corporation, The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, published its own formal equivalence translation of the Bible: the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (NWT). As of 2015, the NWT has been translated in whole or in part into 129 languages. Since the release of the NT translation in 1950, this version has been criticized for changing the meaning and words of the text to fit JW doctrine. A prime example is John 1:1. Both the ESV and NIV translate that verse as, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The NWT version translates the passage as “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” The addition of the indefinite article “a” is added to avoid the conclusion that Jesus is God. Referring to this verse, Bruce M. Metzger wrote in 1953, “It must be stated quite frankly that, if the Jehovah’s Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists.” Despite a preference for the NWT, JWs still use other translations of the Bible in their witnessing work

In the book of Daniel 2:44 state crystal clear about a government or kingdom who will crash those governments to dust , it is about Government that is what you need that s way you are vote , the difference between those is they trust in his government who will terminate all earthly organisations , the theme of the bible is Gods kingdom it is all about Government no Babylonian false religion , looking the world today appears crystal clear what they need and after a good government but they cannot make one because they are no made with those capacities to rule over one another , plus they die as ageing process exist I guess now you know why he send his king on earth and soon he will terminate the system , who knows you may her the truth after all

As for the blood is someone’s else life is no orange juice, you get all
What the other person have , the command was given to NOAH by the creator after the global
Deluge to eat some meat as protein but no the blood he stress your own blood life is well
I will ask back anyone who shed blood I will ask back , on Moses he add do not kill any kind of killing today since 1914 brother have kill brother for nothing, in two wars globally and they prepare for the 3 as we speak. They show no respect for life we make a decision to obey God as ruler rather than man after all he make man , no human on earth pay for rent or the oxygen and nitrogen he breath is free , this planet is private property soon the creator will
Inspect the edge of Milky Way and he fix things but then will be to late for some to develop
A friendship who may need to salvation until then who knows

It is crystal clear that there is no evidence of God s Kingdom, last time I read about that was Jesus who said I am coming soon and it has been 2000 years, anyway there is a flaw about the 7 years time formula which is the equivalent of 2520 years, Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc, now that formula belongs to John Brown, not the impostors JW.

It’s funny how people make comments about Jehovah’s Witnesses without ever talking to one to really find out what they believe. The issue with blood is a big one. The medical field sees the benefit of not taking blood. They have even created a synthetic blood they hopefully will be using in just few years if not sooner. Doctors will tell you that no matter how much they they type and match, your body spikes a fever because your own antibodies attack it because it’s a foreign object. What the body needs is volume. There are volume expanders that help with that. Doctors will tell you that Jehovah’s witnesses make them better doctors because they have to be careful and take their time. The reason i am saying this is my dad whose bloodcount got down to 3-4 did not take blood and he is alive and never know he was so sick. He hemorrhage but it slowed and stopped while the body healed with volume expander. Enough said about that. Jesus never told his followers to run for a political office. We know that by the model prayer. He prayed for God’s government to take over. When people tried to make him king he got away saying “My kingdom is not from this source. ” He always talked about God’s government being the solution to man’s problems. Because of Jesus words to his followers of staying out of politics that’s why Jehovah’s don’t vote because according to Jeremiah 10:23 “Man cannot direct his own steps.” How can he direct other people’s steps if he can’t direct his own? He does try to help but a lot of times it fails because of greed. With God’s government everything is perfect and is for our good.

Well said, Jonna. Human greed and selfishness will have no place in God’s Kingdom on earth. Mankind will flourish under Jesus Christ. It is mankinds only hope. No one else can stop Satans selfish influence.

Watch Tower Society literature of the 1970s and 1980s repeatedly claimed that the “end” had to be expected before the turn of the century. The 1971 book The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah – How? stated: “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the ‘battle in the day of Jehovah’ will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.”[58] A 1980 Watchtower article described the notion that “the wicked system of this world” would last “until the turn of the century” as “highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy” (emphasis added).[59] A similar statement in a 1984 Watchtower article suggested that some members of the 1914 generation “could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that ‘the end’ is much closer than that!”[60] Until its October 22, 1995 issue, Awake! similarly included the statement, “this magazine builds confidence in the Creator’s promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.”[61]

In 1989, the notion that the missionary efforts of the Witnesses would culminate before the turn of the century was first reaffirmed, then abandoned. As first published, a Watchtower article of January 1 stated: “The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.”[62] (Emphasis added.) Nine months later a more cautiously worded statement appeared in the Watchtower: “We have ample reasons to expect that this preaching will be completed in our time. Does that mean before the turn of a new month, a new year, a new decade, a new century? No human knows” (emphasis added).[63] In later bound volumes of the 1989 Watchtower magazines, the text of the January 1 article was amended to state that Christian missionary work “would be completed in our day” rather than “in our 20th century”.

People like Mr Hfny are the ones the apostle Peter alluded to when he said that they would not believe the end was near and would take no Note. We know better and very soon people like him will have to acknowledge the fact that there is a Creator to whom they are answerable to.

In 1881, Russell founded Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society, with William Henry Conley as president and Russell as secretary-treasurer; they intended to disseminate tracts, papers, doctrinal treatises and Bibles. All materials were printed and bound by Russell’s privately owned Tower Publishing Company for an agreed price,[35] then distributed by colporteurs. The Society was incorporated in 1884, with Russell as president, and in 1886 its name was changed to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.

In 1908, Russell transferred the headquarters of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society to Brooklyn, New York where it remained until 2016.

Publications[edit]
With the formation of the Watch Tower Society, Russell intensified his ministry. His Bible study group had grown to hundreds of local members, with followers throughout New England, the Virginias, Ohio, and elsewhere. They annually re-elected him “Pastor”, and commonly referred to him as “Pastor Russell”. Congregations that eventually formed in other nations also followed this tradition.[36][37]

In 1881, Russell published his first work to gain wide distribution: Food for Thinking Christians. The 162-page “pamphlet” was published using donated funds amounting to approximately $40,000 (current value $992,690).[38] It had a circulation of nearly 1.5 million copies over a period of four months distributed throughout the United States, Canada and Great Britain by various channels.[39][40] During the same year he published Tabernacle and its Teachings which was quickly expanded and reissued as Tabernacle Shadows of the “Better Sacrifices”, outlining his interpretation of the various animal sacrifices and tabernacle ceremonies instituted by Moses. Russell claimed that the distribution of these works and other tracts by the Watch Tower Society during 1881 exceeded by eight times that of the American Tract Society for the year 1880.[41]

In 1903, newspapers began publishing his written sermons. These newspaper sermons were syndicated worldwide in as many as 4,000 newspapers, eventually reaching an estimated readership of some 15 million in the United States and Canada.[36]

In 1910 the secular journal Overland Monthly calculated that by 1909, Russell’s writings had become the most widely distributed, privately produced English-language works in the United States. It said that the entire corpus of his works were the third most circulated on earth, after the Bible and the Chinese Almanac.[42] In 1912 The Continent, a Presbyterian journal, stated that in North America Russell’s writings had achieved a greater circulation “than the combined circulation of the writings of all the priests and preachers in North America.”[43]

Russell also had many critics, and he was frequently described as a heretic in this period.[44]

A simplified chart of historical developments of major groups within Bible Students
Jehovah’s Witnesses had its origins in the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian Restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell. Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. The group took on the name International Bible Students Association and by 1914 it was also active in Canada, Germany, Australia and other countries.[1] The movement split into several rival organizations after Russell’s death in 1916, with one—led by Russell’s successor, Joseph “Judge” Rutherford—retaining control of both his magazine, The Watch Tower, and his legal and publishing corporation, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

Under Rutherford’s direction, the International Bible Students Association introduced significant doctrinal changes that resulted in many long-term members leaving the organization.[2] The group regrew rapidly, particularly in the mid-1930s[3] with the introduction of new preaching methods.[4] In 1931, the name Jehovah’s witnesses was adopted,[5] further cutting ties with Russell’s earlier followers

Abel was the first witness who was killed by his brother Cain , this name is stated in the book of Isaiah you are my witnesses he the creator say that , no any human , was called in the days if yeshua or Jesus the sect of th Nazarene , ones the way , in Antioch they take the name Christians , in 1800
Internatinal bible students etc and progress to declare his name that is how is stated witnesses like a court case the creator is Been accused as a liar by one of his spirit sons he asking the humans to participate on his justification this is personal decision, no one force anyone to be a witness of the creator , in this global court case , some do read the bible up side down they need help to see it correctly plus his Holy Spirit , simple is the truth and trustworthy

From JW. org:The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20. Read idiot

The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20.

Watchtower says they started at the end of the century, that s a lie, they started in 1870. The Watchtower Real Estate Co. Inc. Is here to sell Kingdom Halls to Churches that belong to Babylon the Great, they continue having sexual intercourse with Babylon the prostitute.

According to the Watchtower Society’s published annual report, the average number of publishers during the 2016 service year was 8,132,358. If we multiply that number by 0.015% (0.00015) we arrive at 1,220 Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide that died prematurely in 2016 as a result of Watchtower’s blood policy. This is a staggering number by any measure, and amounts to more deaths on an annual basis than all of the victims of the People’s Temple massacre in Jonestown, Guyana that claimed 918 lives on November 18, 1978.7

Read everything you said: Sorry, but – No! Charles did not start Jehovah`s Witness! Try again! Stop spouting off rumours! The Orginal Statement was this by Juancho:

Since 1870 JW has been predicting the end and set many false dates, but if you don t have any evidences then I will dismiss you with out evidences.

That is an Incorrect Statement and none of you have shared one link that states Jehovah`s Witness Stared in 1870, or had JW Books! You Describe the History of the Bible Students! That`s it! Try and find a link for me will you that shows in 1870 there were the Jehovah`s Witness

People like Mr Hney are the ones the apostle Peter alluded to when he said that they would not believe the end was near and would take no Note. We know better and very soon people like him will have to acknowledge the fact that there is a Creator to whom they are answerable to.

well when I read the holy bible I see they did not vote but they had a leader to lead them to god so as a christain you can be a president and gov. and so on but there is a way to have a leaders of god and is all in the bible you just have to read it and pray to god to make you to understand.apostle:saide president and ceo of all

I had anal bleeding and the albumin got down to 8.5. I was given strong medicine and after a month my albumin was up to 13.5 I felt so good that my body made the blood rather than having someone else’s blood in me.

Joanna, Sean and Eva I hope to see y’all after Daniel 2:44 as well as Matthew and Luke is fulfilled. Governments, merchants, naysayers and ALL those speaking against Jehovah and his people, will be annihilated!

JWs enforce extreme shunning for any JW that decides to leave their religion or who commits a sin without showing enough repentance in front of the elders.

I have literally seen parents cut off all ties with their children solely because the kid did not want to remain a JW but went in another direction.

Even the ex-JWs who leave the religion on their own, who are 100 percent truthful, sincere, love God, pay taxes, help others and more are still SHUNNED by all current JWs and marked as godless, proud, sinning apostates. The Awake magazine recently called them “mentally diseased”.

And MANY contemplate suicide because the penalties of losing everything are simply TOO MUCH TO TAKE.

But an honest question is: Why do so many JWs leave after being one time followers?

As I eventually found out, the JW religion did say, IN WRITING, that the end would come in 1914 and then again in 1925. Was Jehovah directing all that? 1914 and 1925 came and went! They were proven false predictions. Period.

They also said the end very likely would happen in 1975 and even commended (in the watchtower) witnesses for selling their houses and pioneering because of it.

But 1975 came and went!

They also said (for many decades) that the end would come before the generation born in 1914 passed away. In fact up until 1995 it was written inside each Awake magazine cover. Only they then had to change that meaning as well (including the Awake masthead) because that generation CAME AND WENT TOO.

I was an active JW (and elder) for 15 years before leaving because of the blood and fractions policy 10 yrs ago. Today I’m shunned by all JWs simply because I left the religion.

Most JWs simply accept everything the Watchtower teaches and says as “food from God”. Just like I did.

Most believe God has chosen the Watchtower Society as his “channel”, which provides food from God Himself to their religion and ONLY their religion.

But an honest look at the facts of the JW religion shows God has not chosen the WT for anything!

ALL FROM THEIR OWN LITERATURE WITH DATES & PAGES TO SEE FOR YOURSELVES!!!

Pages and pages of mistakes, embarrassments, false predictions, medical disasters, weird science, doctrinal failures and more for over 100 years now!

Obviously ‘GOD’ would not get things wrong like this. Obviously ‘GOD’ did not provide bad food like that for their entire history.

But most JWs have no idea about these things. They’re told to stay away from anything critical of their religion.

For example: Was God’s spirit with JWs when they said Organ Transplants were a “conscience matter” in 1961?

OR,

Was God”s spirit with WT when they THEN SAID Organ Transplants are same as “Cannibalism” in 1967 and forbid them?

OR, was God’s spirit with the WT when they THEN SAID Organ Transplants are NOT the same as cannibalism in 1980 and now allow them?

Was God behind all those changes each time? Did ((GOD)) get all those things wrong each time? How many JWs like that elder above DIED by refusing kidney transplants, only later on to be told they’re OK to have now?

Which is why some end up taking their lives due to losing their family or feel compelled to speak out about it, like me right here and now.

And now because I walked away JWs are demanded to shun you for life (including your very own family).

It is not merely the “Jehovah’s Witnesses Scriptural Text”!!! Open any Bible of any church belonging to Christendom and you will read exactly the same principles, only in slightly different wording. Any church leader who incites his followers to vote in political affairs is going directly against the founder of the Church, that is Jesus Christ, the Son of God and their worship is detestable to The Most High

Fellow responders,
Everything I said about your sect is 100% correct.
I said that members of your faith are against blood transfusion. That’s a fact!

I also said that Our Soon Returning Lord, meaning Jesus Christ, was not interested in the politics of government. That’s a fact!
Now take a listen…… Although Christ was not involved in earthly politics, He taught that mankind should be respectful of political leaders. “Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s”. Furthermore, when the temple tax collectors confronted the apostle Peter and our Lord about tax payment, the Lord obliged. Jesus instructed Peter to go the pond to fetch a fish. He told Peter that when “you fetch a fish, look in its head. There’ll be coins in the head. Use those coins to pay our tax”. (The paraphrased message can be found in the book of Matthew)
So ladies and gentlemen (I presume you’re members of the Jehovah’s Witness sect) there you have it.

I read the Bible like you on a daily basis! I don’t need your interpretation of the Holy Bible. Your interpretation is good for you only.
Jehovah Witness members, you have sinned and come short of God’s glory! It is a fact. Like anyone else, you guys do not do everything the Holy Bible teaches. Example, the Bible teaches that women should not wear the same type of clothing as men. But, in the winter time, women of your sect wear trousers/pants. Right?

Finally, you should be blaming the writer of the story in Liberia who stated that approximately 8,000 of your fellow Witnesses didn’t bother to vote. Is that right? Tell the truth. But you think it’s expedient for you to attack me.
I am ready.

F. Hney, yes Jehovah’s Witnesses, as Christians must be “respectful” of those in power. But respect ends when governments demand obedience that conflicts with God’s will.
For example, you refer to the statement “Give unto Caesar what is Caesars”. Jesus showed that human authority is therefore limited. Jesus did not engage in human politics nor encourage his followers to do so. Jehovah’s Witnesses do pay taxes, as you admonish; so we agree. However, you confuse paying taxes with ALL demands of government. When we become JEHOVAH’S Witnesses, we agree to serve the ultimate authority, who created all things. We therefore “vote” for HIS government to rule the earth. Since you state that that you read the Holy Scriptures daily, you are familiar with the Lord’s prayer. In Matthew 6:10, Jesus directed us to pray to his father in the heavens, “Let YOUR Kingdom come. Let YOUR will take place, as in heaven, ALSO on EARTH”. It is therefore NOT God’s will for governments to rule the earth. It is GOD’S KINGDOM which will do so, in his due time. As long as God allows humans to rule we show them respect. But Bible prophecy shows that their rule is only ALLOWED by God. His purpose from the beginning is to provide real peace and harmony through a global government , by Christ Jesus, that will unselfishly provide equitably for the needs of all man. Human governments have never done this and are therefore opposed to God’s rulership. So, how could you ask Christians to “serve two masters”? Please read Psalms 83:18.
BTW, please don’t think I am “attacking” you. I am only clarifying a misunderstanding you and many others have about Jehovah’s Witnesses and their neutral stand. It is a stand we take in EVERY country. If everyone had done so in WW2, there wouldn’t have been a war. But since the Nazi’s were primarily made up of Lutherans and Roman Catholics, professed Christians who failed to imitate the early apostles (Acts 5:29) they murdered millions of fellow humans. If they were actual Christians, they would have obeyed Christ, “rather than man.” He said to “love your neighbor” and even to “love your enemy”. Such is the folly of following greedy humans, rather than imitating Christ’s love. It is only this quality which can bring peace to the earth, under it’s appointed King, Christ Jesus.

The Watchtower Real Estate Co. Inc. does not pay taxes and in France when they were asked to pay taxes they fought against it and in Spain when the Department of Labor forced them to pay Social Security to its members, they moved its operations to Germany, it is an evil sect.

Juancho, You can`t even get it right when you call a Company name a sect. A Company is an Entity not a Church. Your last sentence doesn`t even make sense! A SECT is a group that has separated from an established church; a nonconformist church. Bible Students are not an Established Church Buddy! What Established church did Jehovah Witness separate from. I don`t think you have any qualifications on Real Estate either.

Gods Kingdom. So yes! But it will be ruled from heaven. Jeremiah 10:23 23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.. 2 Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every wicked work and will save me for his heavenly Kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen. Proverbs 2:21 21 For only the upright will reside in the earth,And the blameless will remain in it.

Its not every question that requires a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer. Nevertheless, God saw it as a rejection when the people of Israel wanted a human king instead of Jehovah himself. Indeed, man has dominated man to his injury (Ecclesiastes 8:9). There are questions only God himself can explain in His own wisdom, for instance, if you don’t vote who will have ruled us, if Adam had not accepted the fruit, would the man and wife have had semi perfect kids etc. The most important is the willingness to obey Him. That is all that is required….

Sean,
As we exchange views on topics that relate to the Bible, let’s show respect for one another. Sean you do not know my Biblical background, neither can you force yourself in my subconscious mind to determine whether I am confused about my interpretation of a Biblical verse. If such words as “confused” are central to your debate, let’s not go too far. Frankly, I do not need your interpretation of the Bible.

I do not “confuse paying taxes with all demands of government”. Like Jehovah’s Witnesses, I do believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and therefore the source of my existence as well as all mankind. Jesus Christ showed respect to people who were chosen as leaders. The apostle Paul reinforces that point in the book of Romans 13: 1-7.

I’d like to also emphasize this point. Let’s stick to the subject. Let’s not get off the tangent. It’s been reported that approximately 8,000 members of your faith did not bother to vote. Now, that’s a fact. The debate should be focused on why you think it is immoral to vote in an election. The question is why should you bother to pay taxes if it is wrong to vote?

Nazi Germany: I will go there with you.
During this period in Germany, millions of people of different nationalities and religious faiths perished under Nazism. Blacks in Germany were referred to as “Rhineland Bastards”. The story of blacks is not told as much because many people have not the slightest idea that black Germans existed before Nazism took hold. Unlike the Jews that Hitler sent to gas chambers, blacks were used as laboratory animals. Hitler was not a German by birth. He was born in Austria. A devil he was, Hitler agreed to do the Germans a deal. Yes, he was a monster!
The Christians you mentioned will tell you they were forced to commit atrocities. Still, the question is…why don’t you vote?
When a nation is at war, you get the protection of the leader you refuse to vote for. Right? Come on Sean! Finally, when Ebola devastated Liberia, you were under the protection of the government you did not vote for. Right? People vote in order to choose the right leader.

This organization is double standard, in Chile once a year every church has to place the Chilean flag in front of the building, Jehovah’s Witnesses are the first one to place the flag in front of the Kingdom Hall because they don’t want to be fine. Jehovah’s Witnesses in United States in order to get the passport perform the pledge of allegiance including the infamous Governig Body.

Juancho, once again your Qualifications of trust worthyness of your statements are showing up again. No where in the application do you swear allegiance to the United States itself! But to the Documents that you are providing and submitting of your own identity. “Do you swear or affirm that everything you’ve written, your photo, your signature, that your not a criminal in this application is true, correct and complete to the best of your knowledge?” So in this case this is just An Oath of a sworn declaration that one will tell the truth, in front of court, judiciary or law. What is wrong with that procedure. The Scriptures show many examples of Sworn Contracts by truthful oaths.

Jonna,
The advancement in technology brought about the study of synthetic blood and rubber. In years to come, there’ll be less reliance on human blood transfusion. As it relates to synthetic rubber, its technology is 100 miles ahead.

Bottom line:
The study of synthetic blood has nothing to do with the teaching that Jehovah’s Witnesses espouse. Yeah, synthetic blood might be safer and cheaper. But, let’s not be in denial. Human blood transfusion has saved lives worldwide. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that human blood transfusion is an abomination.

Y. Walker,
There are seven dispensations.This period, the one you and I live in is called the dispensation of grace. We will experience a community with the creator because Jesus was sacrificed for our sins, 2nd Corinthians 5:21. If you do not repent for your sins to be forgiven, you will not experience that unique relationship with God.

Miss Eva Tillmon,
I rebuke you for evangelizing under the influence of demonic forces. The apostle Peter did not have me in mind neither does that particular verse pertain to me in any conceivable way.

The apostle Peter’s message was principally aimed at God’s elect who are scattered throughout the provinces. Well, who are the elect?
The very people that the apostle referenced are the saints, the 144,000 that your sect talks about all the time. Some of those unbelievers were the Jews who became belligerent because of their willingness to accept our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

1. His Healing,
2. His Miracles,
3. His Great Compassion,
4.His Grace,
5. His Everlasting Love and so on.

You got healed. Be thankful and tell the world that miracles do exist. Jesus Christ is in charge.
You did not need blood transfusion. That doesn’t mean that because your sect preaches against it, so God decided to cure you.
You should be thankful and spread the good news of Christ. But, don’t falsify it.

Acts 15:28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” Have a Nice day

Candice,
I am happy to inform you that before the kingdom of God arrives, governments of countries will operate in this world.
The Lord’s prayer talks about “the coming” of God’s kingdom…..” The kingdom come”

If there are “antichrists”, and yes they are here with us already. (read the 1st, 2nd, & 3rd books of John) . Your duty as well as mine is to let the non-believers know that His kingdom will come and that this evil world will pass away.
Why don’t you vote?
You and your people think that it is an abomination.

Juancho,
Thanks for exposing the double standard activities of the Jehovah’s Witnesses who jammed me yesterday.
I am one person, yet I was able draw my line in the sand for them not to cross. They will be confronted by using Biblical scriptures. “Some” and not all the members of their sect think that no one knows the Bible better. It’s a false narrative that most of them have maintained. As you can see, I repudiated that crappy idea by using the Holy Bible.

Wicked, if you were sexually abused, just come out and tell us, dont beat around the bush! Its better to be honest, tell your story and get it off your chest! Who was it, tell us so we can identify the creep publically!

Have you seen the Jehovah before? Why do say you that you abhor the Lord if you haven’t seen Him?
It’s been a pleasure debating the issues of the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses. But, your accusation of Jehovah’s Witnesses is completely out of whack.
Guess what? I am ashamed to repeat the name you assign to yourself. JWs are not pedophiles. Stop it. They are good people like anyone else. They have their own piccadillos like anyone of us.

Earlier in this thread it was stated that Jehovah’s witnesses where founded in 1870, the fact of the matter is that an accociation as the Bible students where founded in the 1870s* but they became known as Jehovah’s witnesses later on under the next administration. Under the whole False prophesy aspect of the witnesses, take for example a scientific textbook from the 1870s and one from 2017, which is more accurate? Furthermore doesn’t it stand to reason that as time progresses new knowledge becomes available that old misconceptions become corrected, we don’t throw off science because it has been plagued mistakes and misconceptions instead we strive to correct them and improve upon our understanding. Therefore instead of focusing on the mistakes of a fledgling group of biblical scholars we should focus on the fruits of those who have expanded upon their study’s.

The Bible talks about Accurate Knowledge and Jesus said to the Apostles that the Holly Spirit will give them the correct information in due time, for example: the Watchtower gave many false dates about the time of the end and every prophecy uttered by the Watchtower came wrong while the Watchtower was dogmatic about everything including teaching like 7 creation days back then every creation day was 7000 years, another example was the 1914 generation considered by the Watchtower a pivotal teaching, that teaching lasted for 50 years and suddenly one day came apart even though was a crucial dogma and members were forced to believe that it was 100 per cent true. You can read many books published by WT Real Estate Co Inc. and they are full of deception.

Watchtower Real Estate Co. Inc. Is just a scam. The difference between a Science book written in 1870 and any book written by the WT is that a Science book was written with no intention to mislead the public, but with any WT publication the intentions has been plainly to mislead people. For example the book Evolution is the biggest lie ever said. Everything said by The Watchtower had no backing, pure invention by the Department of Redaction of Bethel. I investigated many books written by the Borgs and clearly looking back I can say they are 100 % scam.

*** rs p. 75 Blood ***
‘You people don’t believe in blood transfusions’
You might reply: ‘The newspapers have published stories about some situations in which they felt that Witnesses might die if they did not accept blood. Is that what you have in mind? . . . Why do we take the position we do?’ Then perhaps add: (1) ‘Do you love your wife (husband) enough that you would be willing to risk your life for her (him)? . . . There are also men who risk their lives for their country, and they are viewed as heroes, aren’t they? But there is someone who is greater than any person or thing here on earth, and that is God. Would you risk your life because of love for him and loyalty to his rulership?’ (2) ‘The issue here really is loyalty to God. It is God’s Word that tells us to abstain from blood. (Acts 15:28, 29)’
Or you could say: ‘There are many things that are rather common today and that Jehovah’s Witnesses shun—for example, lying, adultery, stealing, smoking, and as you mentioned, the use of blood. Why? Because we govern our lives by God’s Word.’ Then perhaps add: (1) ‘Did you know that the Bible says we should “abstain from blood”? I would like to show it to you. (Acts 15:28, 29)’ (2) ‘Perhaps you recall that God told our first parents, Adam and Eve, that they could eat from every tree in Eden except one. But they disobeyed, ate that forbidden fruit, and lost everything. How unwise! Now, of course, there is no tree with forbidden fruit. But after the Flood of Noah’s day God again set out one prohibition for mankind. This time it involved blood. (Gen. 9:3, 4)’ (3) ‘So the real question is, Do we have faith in God? If we obey him, we have before us the prospect of eternal life in perfection under his Kingdom. Even if we die, he assures us of a resurrection.’

This is the most stupid comment I ever read in my life, Watchtower Teachings changes all the time, we have the case with organ transplants, they were prohibited by the Watchtower from 1969 to 1980, then new revelations from the Watchtower changed that position saying that Organ Transplant was a personal decision but for 11 years many witnesses died because they thought it was a sin to have an organ transplant but the Evil Watchtower never assumed the responsibilities for all the bloodshed they caused, now with blood transfusion is the same, there is no base in the Bible that a person can not have a blood transfusion, plus the Bible is not the final answer, it is a book that you can accept it as divine or written by human, the evidences shows that the Bible is a book full of contradiction, now why are we going to put our life in danger by accepting the guidelines of an Evil Sect full of deceptions like Jehovah’s Witnesses, every time that a Jehovah’s Witness dies is a members, their leaders are cowards and they are not willing to die for Jehovah, it is a fact that in Germany their leaders were the first to renounce to their faith like Erich Frost, in Argentina when the preaching work was banned many Missionaries like Gordon Cameron and Mr. Papas and Mr. Pino left the country right away because they were afraid of being placed in Jail and the former President Eisenhower of the Branch in Buenos Aires stopped the preaching work because the Military Government asked him to do it and he was so afraid of the Military Officer that he broke his integrity to Jehovah, so why are we going to die for a religion that failed every time. When the Watchtower Society uttered a Prophecy every time, every time came wrong, no single prophecy coming from the Society was fulfilled, every one has been a complete lie.

Be the first one to die, right now go to the Middle East and show that you have faith in jehovah, talk is cheap, you tell other people to die for God, then be the first one to do it, talk is super cheap, show that you have faith in Jehovah.

Answer: Acts 15:19-21, 28 is the Scripture Jehovah’s Witnesses typically point to as the reason they refuse to accept blood donations. Acts 15:20 says, “Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.” It is clear from the context that the instructions were against eating / drinking blood, not blood transfusions. Blood transfusions were not even possible in Bible times, so there is no possibility that this Scripture could be referring to blood transfusions. There were many pagan religious practices that involved eating and drinking blood and/or strangling an animal to keep more of its blood in its meat. This is what the Bible speaks against, not blood transfusions.

*** Bible Citations ***
(Romans 1:21-23) For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their senseless hearts became darkened. 22 Although claiming they were wise, they became foolish 23 and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and birds and four-footed creatures and reptiles.
(1 Corinthians 2:16) For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.

I have my feelings that you are a member of Bethel, how can you write about serving Jehovah with full integrity when the seven members of the Governing Body hide in Patterson because they are cowards, they never have been persecuted, it is easy to write things but if you talk about courage instead of writing why you don t go to Irak and preach there, what yo wrote it is a bunch of boloney, you are the first to quit in case of persecution, you, circuit overseers and district overseer and the GB are a bunch of cowards, you are quitters, losers, like I said: it is easy to write but you don t have the courage to go to the Middle East to preach there, you Witnesses are a bunch of hypocrites, losers, get a life.

2000 was not stated to be the end, but there was strong indication that it would be impossible for Armageddon not to come before 2000.
“And if the wicked system of this world survived until the turn of the century, which is highly improbable in view of world trends and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, there would still be survivors of the World War I generation.” Watchtower 1980 Oct 15 p.31
“Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom.” The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
“Some of that “generation” could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that “the end” is much closer than that!” Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19
“He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century”. Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12.
The 1989 Watchtower used the term “in our 20th century” in the magazine, but this was changed to “in our day” for the bound volume and subsequent CD library. Click on the thumbnails to compare the magazine version to the bound volume.

Watchtower Teachings changes all the time, we have the case with organ transplants, they were prohibited by the Watchtower from 1969 to 1980, then new revelations from the Watchtower changed that position saying that Organ Transplant was a personal decision but for 11 years many witnesses died because they thought it was a sin to have an organ transplant but the Evil Watchtower never assumed the responsibilities for all the bloodshed they caused, now with blood transfusion is the same, there is no base in the Bible that a person can not have a blood transfusion, plus the Bible is not the final answer, it is a book that you can accept it as divine or written by human, the evidences shows that the Bible is a book full of contradiction, now why are we going to put our life in danger by accepting the guidelines of an Evil Sect full of deceptions like Jehovah’s Witnesses, every time that a Jehovah’s Witness dies is a members, their leaders are cowards and they are not willing to die for Jehovah, it is a fact that in Germany their leaders were the first to renounce to their faith like Erich Frost, in Argentina when the preaching work was banned many Missionaries like Gordon Cameron and Mr. Papas and Mr. Pino left the country right away because they were afraid of being placed in Jail and the former President Eisenhower of the Branch in Buenos Aires stopped the preaching work because the Military Government asked him to do it and he was so afraid of the Military Officer that he broke his integrity to Jehovah, so why are we going to die for a religion that failed every time. When the Watchtower Society uttered a Prophecy every time, every time came wrong, no single prophecy coming from the Society was fulfilled, every one has been a complete lie.

A few years ago, a JW priest or pastor or Bishop or a higher up in the denomination, got tempted badly. The women would not keep their eyes away from this man. To put it bluntly, the women who always congregated in his space, seduced the poor guy. In return, he committed fornication and adultery. I am not surprised that some JWs go under cover and do what every one does.

Somewhere around the Police Academy in the greater Monrovia area, a beautiful JW girl told my friend that she was an ardent follower. But, listen to this: “I am a JW! But if you put minutes in my phone, it’ll be just fine with me. We will deal”.

I don’t like people who act sanctimoneously. I know I will be attacked for saying what I have just said. But, it’s the truth.

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