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I heard I think it was on the yahoo video that some KHTML developpers are doing a Unity based browser that will run on all platforms and will have the same kind of features as firefox such as extentions and all.

Konqueror for KDE 4 will run on more platforms, including Windows and Mac. Loading firefox extensions will probably not happen though, as we will likely continue to use our own mechanisms. We do already share plugin interfaces for things like flash. Basically, konq will be available to a much wider audience now.

I didn't say it will use firefox extentions, I said:
" the same kind of features as firefox such as extentions and all."
so that it will have its own extentions (+ netscape plugins).

Did you watch the Yahoo video a while ago? There was a presentation of two KHTML devs and at one point one of them say he's working on something like this, at least I think he says he's working on a Unity based project (and it's not konqueror).

It was astroturfing to try to get more devs to gather around a project that is controversial.

The projet is owned by Apple, so you have to work with Apple, but in reality, you can only work *for* Apple. The attitude stinks, and you either take it or be publically treated of being "insane" for wanting more openness.

A couple of Trolltech engineers do swallow their pride and make some progress on the Qt backend. Well, they have a vested interest to do so I guess.

And to take the cake, the repository is now frozen because Apple want to stabilize, so everyone else must bow. Nice peek into the future.

i really didn't want to get involved with this meme again, but this kind of negative and incorrect tripe is just too much.

first, it wasn't "astroturfing". george actually has been working on a qt4 web browsing application that uses unity. i've seen it.

the only real reason the project is controversial is that the reasons why it is a good thing requires a bit of big picture thinking, something i understand a lot of people struggle with.

> do swallow their pride

ah yes. let's maintain that "pride", right? because that's how we get good technology, through unabated self-stroking. forget the big picture issues, forget actually trying to get the best solutions ... let's keep our pride intact. sorry, but this attitude stinks and prevents good decisions from being made.

> so you have to work with Apple, but in reality

you know what the best way to ensure progress is never made? to ignore progress that is made and fight against any additional progress that might occur. that way you can always remain right that the world is a dirty, nasty place.

we have people with review and commit access to webkit, something that was deemed a non-starter not so long ago. there is more room for improvement, but it's actually going to take some support.

> they have a vested interest to do so I guess

which is what? making good technology that has the best chance of making a real difference in the market and for our users? if that wasn't the vested interest -you- were thinking of i'd love to hear it.

> Nice peek into the future.

yes, because we'd never want to freeze the code base for a release either. working with others means making concessions at times, and i completely agree that apple has a lot left to learn when it comes to working with others. so, apparently, do some of us.

apple made some bone-headed moves, but we need to be bigger than that and get what we (and our users) need and want in spite of their past behaviour.

Well, Bill, Bob, Ben, or whoever thinks they know me so well. :-) I am working on the Qt backend and I don't work for Trolltech or Apple. I will be checking in code in a few hours to the apparently frozen repository (oh the horrors of a stabilization phase). I don't want developers to gather around a controversial project because I don't need more drama like yours. I do want to bring two communities with huge potential together though. That's all. Sorry to spoil your day.

I am a big fan of the idea of "unity", but after reading a bit on the webkit and the kfm-devel list I am rather skeptical about the perspective of such a project. Perhaps staying with a development model that worked very well so far is indeed the right thing....

* "but not as long as we are not considered equals, treated like equals, encouraged to collaborate (vs -discouraged-), and as long as our development model (very large, distributed, voluntary) is not given consideration, it's not going to happen."

* "Yes, after wasting an enormous amount of my own personal time and money on this, unfortunately nothing ever came of it."

* "It now feels like Apple considers KDE to be marginalized or insignificant."

From a bit reading the mailing lists I got not the impression that not much has changed since Zack's blog. His comment (April 2005) pretty much sums it up:

"Apple doesn't have to work with us, it's their right. But it is also my right to not be happy about it, to not be smiling and keep pretending everything is peachy [...]. I feel like we did everything we could. The ball was, is and always will be in Apple's hands."

I am more than happy if you can solve the problem, but I am afraid it is indeed in Apple's hand. Good luck!

It's gmail's fault. It's sad, but if you set your browser agent to firefox in Konq, Gmail works just fine without being crippled by "html" mode. At least it does for me. The only time I find it sometimes borks is when accidentally using page back/forward, instead of navigating through the gmail interface.

When that happens and I do a page refresh, I receive an amusing message advising me that Symantec security products may be interfering with my ability to view gmail messages. ;)

Please also remind yourself that it will only be enabled by websites that recognize Konqueror. When you then take into consideration that not even Google recognize Konqueror, then rich text editing will only work for a few power users that specifically asks Konqueror to spoof as another browser, and then still only on those approximately 4 pages on the entire internet that uses it.

yes. this is pretty critical for most web-based content management systems and locks konqi out as an option for a lot of applications.

then again, maybe we don't really need word processors. vim is good enough.

> not even Google recognize Konqueror,

i was informed that this has changed recently

> for a few power users that specifically asks Konqueror

this is one reason getting a unified webkit is important. getting web site providers to stop trying to work around web browser breakage and just trusting browsers to be standards compliant is another important, but far larger and much more long term, goal.

>this is one reason getting a unified webkit is important. getting web site >providers to stop trying to work around web browser breakage and just trusting >browsers to be standards compliant is another important, but far larger and much >more long term, goal.

That's the whole point, I'm using it heavely for contents management systemen, and because I can choice the editor myself and what is supported or not... I could directly use KHTML, would it support it...

CSS3 support ist nice, but I'm still missing a few of the visible features, like rounded borders, multi-column text flows...

"""Garage for me gives connotations of cool, gritty work. I'm all for Garage. Maybe 'KDE Garage' or 'Tech Garage' or whatever, but I like it. It's also a failry unique yet easily rememberable name. I can easily imagine directing people towards "the garage" for tutorials etc."""

I think TechBase and TechNet is named after Microsoft's TechNet or MSDN, so let's avoid such hacky names.

> I think TechBase and TechNet is named after Microsoft's TechNet or MSDN,
> so let's avoid such hacky names.

That's probably the worst possible reason to (not) choose a name.
Choose a name that makes sense, and saying things like: "hakunamatata is a great name since it gives me such a good feeling" is just like the above reason, not really relevant.

personally I hate those names. I can never remember which is which! I liked the old naming scheme... it may have been a bit silly, but at least I could tell at a glance whether a program was part of kde. and usually it would give me an idea of what the program was for, too.

this is why we're having a poll and a community discussion about it. some people like no-nonesense descriptive noun-like term. others like brand names that conjure up images and feelings. either is workable, really, and which you prefer is probably related to your personality. and yes, i too have a personal preference but i'm happy to go with whatever the majority wants.

what's really cute is that the name we were originally going to go with based on consensus of the team actually involved with the site is currently leading by a healthy margin. =)