My name is Richard L. Moreno and this is not an impersonation; I am the real McCoy. I have noted with interest the posts that started about 11 p.m. on Dec 27 and continue through the early morning hours of Dec 28. I am sick and tired of the negative posts regarding my family.
I appeal to the good citizens of Fairfax County: If you are as tired of this crap as I am, please send Cary Weidemann an email and give him your thoughts. cary@fairfaxunderground.com
I am sure that when this site began, it started out with good intentions, but it has deteriorated into a despicable and disgusting springboard for those who wish to defame others and for stalkers, both cyber and real world.
Mr. Weidemann: I appeal to you to moderate your site responsibly and remove all the impersonations of my family and the personal attacks on all of us. I am a proponent of free speech, but these personal attacks, which according to your rules are not permitted, are continuing as I write.

I argee.. I think this site is used to talK to about our where our taxes dollars goes too. I can't stand that a PE Teacher earns 80,000 DOLLARS LOL WHAT A JOKE

Richard L. Moreno Wrote:
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> My name is Richard L. Moreno and this is not an
> impersonation; I am the real McCoy. I have noted
> with interest the posts that started about 11 p.m.
> on Dec 27 and continue through the early morning
> hours of Dec 28. I am sick and tired of the
> negative posts regarding my family.
> I appeal to the good citizens of Fairfax County:
> If you are as tired of this crap as I am, please
> send Cary Weidemann an email and give him your
> thoughts. cary@fairfaxunderground.com
> I am sure that when this site began, it started
> out with good intentions, but it has deteriorated
> into a despicable and disgusting springboard for
> those who wish to defame others and for stalkers,
> both cyber and real world.
> Mr. Weidemann: I appeal to you to moderate your
> site responsibly and remove all the impersonations
> of my family and the personal attacks on all of
> us. I am a proponent of free speech, but these
> personal attacks, which according to your rules
> are not permitted, are continuing as I write.

Cary Wiedemann needs to either man up & police his site or take it down, This garbage of "not having control anymore" is a wimpy excuse for laziness.

Richard L. Moreno Wrote:
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> My name is Richard L. Moreno and this is not an
> impersonation; I am the real McCoy. I have noted
> with interest the posts that started about 11 p.m.
> on Dec 27 and continue through the early morning
> hours of Dec 28. I am sick and tired of the
> negative posts regarding my family.
> I appeal to the good citizens of Fairfax County:
> If you are as tired of this crap as I am, please
> send Cary Weidemann an email and give him your
> thoughts. cary@fairfaxunderground.com
> I am sure that when this site began, it started
> out with good intentions, but it has deteriorated
> into a despicable and disgusting springboard for
> those who wish to defame others and for stalkers,
> both cyber and real world.
> Mr. Weidemann: I appeal to you to moderate your
> site responsibly and remove all the impersonations
> of my family and the personal attacks on all of
> us. I am a proponent of free speech, but these
> personal attacks, which according to your rules
> are not permitted, are continuing as I write.

tax payerB Wrote:
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> Cary Wiedemann needs to either man up & police his
> site or take it down, This garbage of "not having
> control anymore" is a wimpy excuse for laziness.
>

As much as I hate to comment in this thread my attention has miserly been drawn to it, and I feel this particular comment deserves as a resopnse.

The quote I gave to Justin Jouvenal of the Washington Post during our 30+ minute phone interview for his now infamous article was not precisely "when you run an online forum, you are no longer totally in control"; rather I explictly indicated that I would paraphrase Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian who said "it's okay to lose control" and "you no longer control the message, and that's okay." The meaning of this statement is true of all social media: the administrator does not dictate the content. This control over the topic of conversation is the only thing I have ever seceded, or more accurately aimed to secede. But of course it was painfully obvious during my conversation with Mr. Jouvenal that the tone and narrative of the article was already set, and all that was left was to procure some quotes to authenticate the picture he wished to paint.

Indeed I do have control, albeit not over a small group of fiercely dedicated individudals who use a revolving door of proxy servers to evade my attempts to ban them. Thankfully just this year webmasters were given an important new tool to fight trolls who evade bans in Craigslist Inc. v. 3Taps Inc. which opened the door for suits against individuals who continue to consume resources of an online service provider after being explicitly banned as being in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. A small number of promient trolls who have been repeatedly banned (of which "Mr. Misery", father of this thread's author is one) have been given explicit warnings that they are permanently banned from Fairfax Underground and any further attempts to read, post, or otherwise consume computing or network resources is in violation of the CFAA. Nevertheless these trolls predictably ignored my warnings and I'm currently exploring the best path towards maximum recourse and minimal recidivism.

I've been annoyed by that mis-quote since I first read the article; but was willing to let bygones be. However the incessant mis-quoting, especially by the family here mentioned, tipped my hand to air the truth; Mr. Jouvenal's reputation be damned.

- Cary (the admin)

edit by Cary: Typos.
edit by Cary #2: Incorrectly identified the family member who authored this thread. Changed to "father".

Cary should just get a couple people or interns and have them do nothing but "delete" the posts from or about these four clowns (or other problem users, like Lamb Center Troll). Cut off their access that way, and eventually they'll get bored and leave. Once that happens, just keep a guy or gal around to keep the lawn trimmed, so to speak.

The infamous article has already been discredited, and that misquote is just another nail in the coffin.

Cub reporter Justin Juvenile was clearly trying to paint a picture and anything that did not fit he either ignored or dismissed, especially the fact that William Moreno was breaking the law and committing a misdemeanor by accessing the site after being banned.

Any person who willfully obtains computer services without authority is guilty of the crime of theft of computer services, which shall be punishableas a Class 1 misdemeanor. If the theft of computer services is valued at$2,500 or more, he is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

The freelance writer and Washington Post editors completely ignored the fact that Moreno was actually committing a crime every time he read or posted on the site. That is not responsible journalism.

It's also interesting to note that the Washington Post article claims William Moreno was "accused of child rape", whereas in actual fact William Moreno personally admitted to child rape in no uncertain terms, more than once. Since Moreno's direct quotes admitting such didn't fit the writer's agenda, they were conveniently left out of the article.

Cary Wrote:
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A small number of promient trolls
> who have been repeatedly banned (of which "Mr.
> Misery", father of this thread's author is one)
>
> edit by Cary: Typos.
> edit by Cary #2: Incorrectly identified the
> family member who authored this thread. Changed
> to "father".

Mr misery is the SON of the thread's author.

And Mr Moreno, WHAT was Sharon sitting on? An ddid you buy Willima some bedsheets for Christmas?

Idea Man Wrote:
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> Cary should just get a couple people or interns
> and have them do nothing but "delete" the posts
> from or about these four clowns (or other problem
> users, like Lamb Center Troll). Cut off their
> access that way, and eventually they'll get bored
> and leave. Once that happens, just keep a guy or
> gal around to keep the lawn trimmed, so to speak.

Why? Those four clowns are the main reason many people visit this site. It's better than the scripted garbage on television, and visitors can actually interact with the four "clown actors". It's like going to a virtual zoo and being able to feed and poke the animals, all without leaving your desk.

We love Megan, Eesh, Monique, Moreno, and the rest of the cast. (Thankfully none of them lives in my neighborhood, or even in Fairfax County.)

This is an honest suggestion for you from a user of this forum who watched this shit go down since around 2010.

First off, I suggest you, your son, your wife and family get together and have an agreement amonst each other to put Fairfax Underground off your radar in the future PERMANENTLY. And stick to it, start a new life, born again virgin, so to speak.

Look up the Streisand effect. You, Sharon and Jimmylegs(William) continue to post here and this only flames the fire of the trolls on this site to continue to eviscerate you with words. Stop this immediately and the whole stupid posting will die down and eventually one day stop. Personally I would have advised you against the WAPO story but what is done is done.

Furthermore, Cary is pissed, it is obvious and you and your families continued posting will likely bring lawsuits or court misery or financial loss because of having to lawyer up only continuing to cause your family more suffering.

As Cary said, HE and YOU cannot dictate the conversation on this website. Your son trolled this forum for years and is a much hated pariah for that, not even mentioning the things he wrote about including multiple pedohillic, anti-woman, anti-US and anti-military posts. After WAPO a lot of this shit was dug up bringing even more attention to your son and your family. There is nothing you can do about this. What is done is done.

Personally I don't necessarily think William believes all that shit he wrote and was just posting to be shocking (trolling for a reaction). I'll bet your family didn't even know about all of the shit he wrote until after the WAPO article came out.

Again, move on, in the end it doesn't matter what other people think of you, it only matters what you think of yourself. Have the meeting, go away, move on.

honest response to Richard Wrote:
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> Richard,
>
> This is an honest suggestion for you from a user
> of this forum who watched this shit go down since
> around 2010.
>
> First off, I suggest you, your son, your wife and
> family get together and have an agreement amonst
> each other to put Fairfax Underground off your
> radar in the future PERMANENTLY. And stick to it,
> start a new life, born again virgin, so to speak.
>
> Look up the Streisand effect. You, Sharon and
> Jimmylegs(William) continue to post here and this
> only flames the fire of the trolls on this site to
> continue to eviscerate you with words. Stop this
> immediately and the whole stupid posting will die
> down and eventually one day stop. Personally I
> would have advised you against the WAPO story but
> what is done is done.
>
> Furthermore, Cary is pissed, it is obvious and you
> and your families continued posting will likely
> bring lawsuits or court misery or financial loss
> because of having to lawyer up only continuing to
> cause your family more suffering.
>
>
> As Cary said, HE and YOU cannot dictate the
> conversation on this website. Your son trolled
> this forum for years and is a much hated pariah
> for that, not even mentioning the things he wrote
> about including multiple pedohillic, anti-woman,
> anti-US and anti-military posts. After WAPO a lot
> of this shit was dug up bringing even more
> attention to your son and your family. There is
> nothing you can do about this. What is done is
> done.
>
> Personally I don't necessarily think William
> believes all that shit he wrote and was just
> posting to be shocking (trolling for a reaction).
> I'll bet your family didn't even know about all of
> the shit he wrote until after the WAPO article
> came out.
>
>
> Again, move on, in the end it doesn't matter what
> other people think of you, it only matters what
> you think of yourself. Have the meeting, go away,
> move on.
>
> But it

This is all good advice and people on many occasions have said what you said (in so many words). The Moreno family will absolutely not listen to any of it. Sharon and William are incapable of leaving this place.

No, they're not okay. I haven't had a normal bowel movement wince William was born. Haven't been on solid food since we got swatted. After the kid stabbed me, I've been feeding myself intravenously. Soon as that kid gets packed off to the nut hut, I'm goin' out to Ruth's Chris for a steak and some onion rings,

Cary said it was the father. The entire family posts here when they aren't getting swatted, stabbed, going to the police station, magistrate, court, mental hospital, getting served and sending out fraudulent no trespass papers.

What's really amusing is the time that he posted. Look how late the man is up, monitoring this website. He might need therapy soon too like his wife and son, haha!

Family affair Wrote:
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> Cary said it was the father. The entire family
> posts here when they aren't getting swatted,
> stabbed, going to the police station, magistrate,
> court, mental hospital, getting served and sending
> out fraudulent no trespass papers.
>
> What's really amusing is the time that he posted.
> Look how late the man is up, monitoring this
> website. He might need therapy soon too like his
> wife and son, haha!

Jeeze, Loueeze! I sthe entire family trolling this site?
Are eesh, liz, and the hambeast gonna bring all their loved ones by as well?
Will anyone else get a word in edgewise?

Richard, your son continues to harass others on this site, until he stops you will spend many more sleepless nights worrying about what the people on the internet are saying about your sorry ass dysfunctional retarded family.

Here's a hint - get the pedophile piece of shit off the site and it will all stop.

it is a long time.... Wrote:
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> toilet training went well into the teens, as
> well.
>
> This made school atendance very challenging for
> William.
>
> Then, he discovered that some students just
> crapped on the floor, not bothering with modern
> plumbing, and after that, school got easier!

As a man with less than stellar bowels I sympathize.

Yes defecations on public areas can be unhygienic and leave aromas that are less desirable.

Cary Wrote:
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>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Indeed I do have control, albeit not over a small
> group of fiercely dedicated individudals who use a
> revolving door of proxy servers to evade my
> attempts to ban them. Thankfully just this year
> webmasters were given an important new tool to
> fight trolls who evade bans in href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Inc
> ._v._3Taps_Inc.">Craigslist Inc. v. 3Taps Inc.
> which opened the door for suits against
> individuals who continue to consume resources of
> an online service provider after being explicitly
> banned as being in violation of the Computer Fraud
> and Abuse Act. A small number of promient trolls
> who have been repeatedly banned (of which "Mr.
> Misery", father of this thread's author is one)
> have been given explicit warnings that they are
> permanently banned from Fairfax Underground and
> any further attempts to read, post, or otherwise
> consume computing or network resources is in
> violation of the CFAA. Nevertheless these trolls
> predictably ignored my warnings and I'm currently
> exploring the best path towards maximum recourse
> and minimal recidivism.
>
> I've been annoyed by that mis-quote since I first
> read the article; but was willing to let bygones
> be. However the incessant mis-quoting, especially
> by the family here mentioned, tipped my hand to
> air the truth; Mr. Jouvenal's reputation be
> damned.
>
> - Cary (the admin)
>

'journalists' generally use quotes out of context to craft their version of the truth.
---
Despite calls to take control, I suspect it might not be possible with this group of miscreants. They'll continue to sidestep bans and legal action, if pursued, will likely be ineffective - if the list of rap sheets and unpaid fines is any indication. These posters seemingly don't have careers, money, self esteem or anything of value that can be taken from them. The only thing that stops them from posting is incarceration.

I'm guessing this continues until it escalates to an assault with injury or death and someone goes away for a long long time. No one wins.

Ban Hammer inop Wrote:
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> Cary Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Indeed I do have control, albeit not over a
> small
> > group of fiercely dedicated individudals who use
> a
> > revolving door of proxy servers to evade my
> > attempts to ban them. Thankfully just this
> year
> > webmasters were given an important new tool to
> > fight trolls who evade bans in >
> href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craigslist_Inc
>
> > ._v._3Taps_Inc.">Craigslist Inc. v. 3Taps
> Inc.
> > which opened the door for suits against
> > individuals who continue to consume resources
> of
> > an online service provider after being
> explicitly
> > banned as being in violation of the Computer
> Fraud
> > and Abuse Act. A small number of promient
> trolls
> > who have been repeatedly banned (of which "Mr.
> > Misery", father of this thread's author is one)
> > have been given explicit warnings that they are
> > permanently banned from Fairfax Underground and
> > any further attempts to read, post, or
> otherwise
> > consume computing or network resources is in
> > violation of the CFAA. Nevertheless these
> trolls
> > predictably ignored my warnings and I'm
> currently
> > exploring the best path towards maximum
> recourse
> > and minimal recidivism.
> >
> > I've been annoyed by that mis-quote since I
> first
> > read the article; but was willing to let
> bygones
> > be. However the incessant mis-quoting,
> especially
> > by the family here mentioned, tipped my hand to
> > air the truth; Mr. Jouvenal's reputation be
> > damned.
> >
> > - Cary (the admin)
> >
>
> 'journalists' generally use quotes out of context
> to craft their version of the truth.
> ---
> Despite calls to take control, I suspect it might
> not be possible with this group of miscreants.
> They'll continue to sidestep bans and legal
> action, if pursued, will likely be ineffective -
> if the list of rap sheets and unpaid fines is any
> indication. These posters seemingly don't have
> careers, money, self esteem or anything of value
> that can be taken from them. The only thing that
> stops them from posting is incarceration.
>
> I'm guessing this continues until it escalates to
> an assault with injury or death and someone goes
> away for a long long time. No one wins.

WRONG.. Megan will win her lawsuit soon and everyone in here will go to prison.

Ban Hammer inop Wrote:
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>
> These posters seemingly don't have
> careers, money, self esteem or anything of value
> that can be taken from them. The only thing that
> stops them from posting is incarceration.
>
>

Richard L. Moreno Wrote:
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> If you are as tired of this crap as I am,

I am sick of this as are others here. However it seems from my casual observations that you decided to go to war with each other, and none of the many sides seems too concerned about following the rules of warfare. Aside from a few relatives dragged in, it is hard to see who is the victim and who is the aggressor. So for the sake of the rest of us why don't you get together and work this out on your own.

ppYEN9 Wrote:
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> Also the person who made the thread (William
> Moreno or his parent) complains about being
> harassed here, yet the purpose of the thread he
> made is to harass someone else.

Haha yeah. Don't you hate having to explain things to retards? The Morenos love doing shit to others but can't stand for someone to do to them exactly what they did to someone else. The world must stop and help them, the helpless little victims...LOL! Not!

toohey funny Wrote:
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> I can't wait for the cartoons to be shown in court!

I think the toons solved mostly everyone's problems. It has been about two days since there has been a flood of posts, slander, nudes, impersonation, etc. They aren't hateful or threatening and they accurately depict the true nature of what is truly going on here.

Cartoons save the day! Wrote:
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> toohey funny Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I can't wait for the cartoons to be shown in
> court!
>
>
> I think the toons solved mostly everyone's
> problems. It has been about two days since there
> has been a flood of posts, slander, nudes,
> impersonation, etc.

Thats because the retard who is desperate for attention and making the cartoons is the exact same person normally posting the slander, nudes, and impersonation.