In all seriousness, we'll keep this list updated and then once the season starts see how many of them actually end up playing for us... might be a nice archive tool to look back on

I like the idea. It's going to be funny if we have'nt signed anybody off the list.

Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:05 pm

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Rolle, Wilfork, and Marshall are great possibilities. Chad's still under contract, no? So in my mind I don't really count Ochocinco. However, if Miami signs any one of those other three guys I think it opens up so many more possibilities for the draft. All three of those guys are in need positions. It would allow Miami to take the BPA instead of focusing on positions. Obviously, if draft picks are involved to even get them, it doesn't help the draft, but if they become straight up FA's I see no reason why Miami doesn't open up the checkbook.

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IamPZ wrote:

They seem to be lining up at the front door guys, shall we let them in???

In all seriousness, we'll keep this list updated and then once the season starts see how many of them actually end up playing for us... might be a nice archive tool to look back on

My guess would be that 0 of the guys end up playing for the dolphins next year.......I wonder if any of them, besides Marshall, will even be playing for a different team next year?

Marshall at the pro bowl sure didn't sound like a guy that was going anywhere or wants to go anywhere.

Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:58 pm

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Im not for overpaying anyone. Wilfork, as much as a I want him, is going to demand Haynesworth type money. NO THANKSYou draft well, you pay smart money for good players. You don't pull a Redskins and take every highpriced FA out there in hopes of buying your team. I don't care how good the player is, you get yourself in trouble when you overpay for free agents.As much as I like to speculate and drool over flashy free agents, I know that at the end of the day there are 32 teams wanting the guy and only one that will pay enough - which is likely too much. I don't see any of these guys playing for us at the end of the day, but I think Marshall would be the most 'likely'.

Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:15 pm

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The only one I think is a possibility, and the one I would want to target is Rolle.

Stats are a funny thing. According for ProFootballFocus (which is a very good stats site), Gabril Wilson was ranked 15th, Yeremiah Bell was ranked 33rd, and Antrel Rolle was ranked ... 67th in the NFL. I will be honest in that I have not seen a lot of the Cardinals defense except for their 2 playoffs games. That defense gave up a lot of big plays.

I'm game. His only problem is that he disappears for a while in games, but I will say that he is super talented. And I don't think he will cost us a draft pick ... at least not a first round one, but he will be expensive. With JP and JT most likely gone, I can see us paying Peppers. Also, I can see him being very disruptive as an OLB in our 3-4 defense. Fly out and get him, Parcells.

Stats are a funny thing. According for ProFootballFocus (which is a very good stats site), Gabril Wilson was ranked 15th, Yeremiah Bell was ranked 33rd, and Antrel Rolle was ranked ... 67th in the NFL. I will be honest in that I have not seen a lot of the Cardinals defense except for their 2 playoffs games. That defense gave up a lot of big plays.

I like that website too, but some of the stats they compile are probably off. I'm not sure what stats they use to break down a player's "coverage performance", but there is no way Gibril's was +.7, and Rolle's -5.7. Antrel probably has the best man-to-man coverage skills for any FS in the NFL, and makes tons of plays.

Plus, it ranked Smiley and Donald Thomas in the bottom 10 around mid-season......when we had the number 1 ranked run game in the league.

Sooo....IDK. Some positions are just too hard to really rank appropriately, and I think FS is one of them.

Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:29 pm

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We'll get some guys who will eventually be on this list. Some random backup will get released and hear that Miami is interested, say how wonderful it would be to play in miami (thus making the list), and then get signed.

Every guy we bring in "wants to play in Miami".

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Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:10 am

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I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

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Rich wrote:

I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

And I am guessing that he will want a "Haynesworth" type of a contract.

I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

as apposed to? Every front office builds their team mainly through the draft and free agency. Thanks for that nugget. I now know something about the NFL today that I would not have known if I didn't log in today.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:56 am

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MTFan wrote:

Rich wrote:

I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

as apposed to? Every front office builds their team mainly through the draft and free agency. Thanks for that nugget. I now know something about the NFL today that I would not have known if I didn't log in today.

As opposed to trading two 1st rounders and a 3rd for a QB, as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

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joeschmoe wrote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

that doens't make any sense. The way you speak of is still building a team via the draft and free agency. Albeit a poor team.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:06 pm

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MTFan wrote:

Rich wrote:

I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

as apposed to? Every front office builds their team mainly through the draft and free agency. Thanks for that nugget. I now know something about the NFL today that I would not have known if I didn't log in today.

Not every team uses free agency as just a supplement. Some teams spend big in free agency. Perhaps you were not aware of this well known fact.

Now you are. Yay for you.

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Rich wrote:

MTFan wrote:

Rich wrote:

I doubt we would see Julius Peppers here either. He does want to play in a 34 but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

as apposed to? Every front office builds their team mainly through the draft and free agency. Thanks for that nugget. I now know something about the NFL today that I would not have known if I didn't log in today.

Not every team uses free agency as just a supplement. Some teams spend big in free agency. Perhaps you were not aware of this well known fact.

Now you are. Yay for you.

Yeah, see the Redskins for the past 10 years as a perfect example.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:13 pm

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How about this for once....We draft guys develope them into All Pro's OTHER teams are drooling over when FA hits!

Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:19 pm

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Rich wrote:

Not every team uses free agency as just a supplement. Some teams spend big in free agency. Perhaps you were not aware of this well known fact.

Now you are. Yay for you.

so just so I have this straight: there is the draft, free agency, and trades. Those are the 3 categories you can build a team from?

Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:25 pm

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They seem to be lining up at the front door guys, shall we let them in???

In all seriousness, we'll keep this list updated and then once the season starts see how many of them actually end up playing for us... might be a nice archive tool to look back on

I would feel better about this list if the attraction to Miami was the opportunity to play for a team that they thought would be a contender. But that is not the case here with these gentlemen. So I think this post would be more accurately titled "Guys who want to come back home to Florida".

Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:11 pm

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MTFan wrote:

Rich wrote:

Not every team uses free agency as just a supplement. Some teams spend big in free agency. Perhaps you were not aware of this well known fact.

Now you are. Yay for you.

so just so I have this straight: there is the draft, free agency, and trades. Those are the 3 categories you can build a team from?

Apparently you are still in Chapter 1 of the Football 101 book.

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MTFan wrote:

joeschmoe wrote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

that doens't make any sense.

I'm willing to bet if I put up a poll asking whether it made sense or not, you'd be the only NO vote.

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MTFan wrote:

joeschmoe wrote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

that doens't make any sense. The way you speak of is still building a team via the draft and free agency. Albeit a poor team.

What doesn't make sense? I think you are just trying to stir things up here.

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joeschmoe wrote:

MTFan wrote:

joeschmoe wrote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

that doens't make any sense. The way you speak of is still building a team via the draft and free agency. Albeit a poor team.

What doesn't make sense? I think you are just trying to stir things up here.

Rich let us know that our regime likes to use the draft and free agency. I asked "as opposed to?" And you let me know "as opposed to using free agency and the draft". There is no opposition in your statement, therefore it didn't make sense.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:37 pm

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Rich wrote:

MTFan wrote:

joeschmoe wrote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

that doens't make any sense.

I'm willing to bet if I put up a poll asking whether it made sense or not, you'd be the only NO vote.

granted that statement alone makes perfect sense, but in conjunction with which it is opposed to does not make sense. So in essence you can get a poll and use those stats to say whatever you want. Mark Twain once said there are three types of lies. Lies, darn lies, and statistics.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:41 pm

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Rich wrote:

MTFan wrote:

Rich wrote:

Not every team uses free agency as just a supplement. Some teams spend big in free agency. Perhaps you were not aware of this well known fact.

Now you are. Yay for you.

so just so I have this straight: there is the draft, free agency, and trades. Those are the 3 categories you can build a team from?

Apparently you are still in Chapter 1 of the Football 101 book.

dangit, I knew there was a book, can you email me a copy, I'd appreciate it

Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:43 pm

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MTFan wrote:

Rich let us know that our regime likes to use the draft and free agency. I asked "as opposed to?" And you let me know "as opposed to using free agency and the draft". There is no opposition in your statement, therefore it didn't make sense.

Rich's original statement:

Quote:

but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

My statement was:

Quote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

i.e. we're not trading our picks away to get a big name FA, we'd rather draft the best available at our draft position and develop them into our own. Then we fill the holes with FA (see pennington and wilson [although he sucks])

I'm sure this will still not be enough for you to understand, maybe Rich will come through with something better.

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joeschmoe wrote:

MTFan wrote:

Rich let us know that our regime likes to use the draft and free agency. I asked "as opposed to?" And you let me know "as opposed to using free agency and the draft". There is no opposition in your statement, therefore it didn't make sense.

Rich's original statement:

Quote:

but again, this front office likes to make its big splashes in the draft and supplement with free agency.

My statement was:

Quote:

as opposed to breaking the bank for a FA and then not being able to afford your 1st round pick. Many teams draft very poorly and sign free agents who have proven talent cuz they wouldn't know skill if it smacked them in the face.

i.e. we're not trading our picks away to get a big name FA, we'd rather draft the best available at our draft position and develop them into our own. Then we fill the holes with FA (see pennington and wilson [although he sucks])

I'm sure this will still not be enough for you to understand, maybe Rich will come through with something better.

unbelievably I do get what your saying, but why would any team have to give away picks in order to sign a free agent?

Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:41 pm

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unbelievably I do get what your saying, but why would any team have to give away picks in order to sign a free agent?

Perhaps he is referring to RFA's which you typically have to give up picks to obtain.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:44 pm

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MTFan wrote:

unbelievably I do get what your saying, but why would any team have to give away picks in order to sign a free agent?

Perhaps he is referring to RFA's which you typically have to give up picks to obtain.

Yeah I forgot to put the R there, with this being a potentially uncapped year most FA's will be RFA's

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joeschmoe wrote:

IamPZ wrote:

MTFan wrote:

unbelievably I do get what your saying, but why would any team have to give away picks in order to sign a free agent?

Perhaps he is referring to RFA's which you typically have to give up picks to obtain.

Yeah I forgot to put the R there, with this being a potentially uncapped year most FA's will be RFA's

I'm with ya

Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:52 pm

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MTFan wrote:

Rich let us know that our regime likes to use the draft and free agency. I asked "as opposed to?" And you let me know "as opposed to using free agency and the draft". There is no opposition in your statement, therefore it didn't make sense.

If you are going to paraphrase what I said, at least come somewhere near close to what I said.

I said this front office prefers to make their splash through the draft and supplement in free agency.

If you can't distinguish between what I said and what you said I said, then sorry to say there isn't much hope for you.

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Rich wrote:

MTFan wrote:

I said this front office prefers to make their splash through the draft and supplement in free agency.

oh now I get it. And I asked as opposed to? and was responded with (paraphrasing again so bare with me) "some teams pick badly in the draft and pay to much for free agents"

man I am retarded for not being able to distinguish the difference.

if I would have used the word supplement in front of free agency it would have been spot on, but that word should go without saying, the bulk of every team is built through the draft. Or was it the word splash that I left out? Would that have made you happy.