I ****ing hate my PS3. Mainly for the update system. The updates take significantly longer than on the 360 - both downloading and installing. And if you don't use your PS3 every day, it seems like you have to wait every time before you play the thing.

Also, it seems their updates like to break random stuff, too. I've been playing Ratchet & Clank Tools... on and off for two years. Never get into before I turn it off. I've been trying to get through it the last few weeks though, and after the last update I get random full system lockups when loading stages.

Thanks, Sony.

You might want to check and see if it's doing it with other games. Might be a hardware issue.

You go on PSN, then you are subject to Sony's policies and they can do whatever they want. However, it's the consumer's hardware and Sony has no right to tamper with it outside of their network.

When you buy hardware, you buy a physical device and I don't think they should be able to tell you what to do with that hardware. But buying software is buying a license and then you are subject to the developer's terms. I know some will disagree with that viewpoint, but that's always been the way I have interpreted buying hardware and software.

Installing a rootkit in the firmware is most certainly a change to hardware, but you agree to it when you get on PSN and agree to the TOS.

Yes and no I guess. The hardware isn't physically changed but since the firmware essentially determines how the hardware can be accessed, it is changing it to a degree.

Your point is what I was trying to say, though. On PSN, Sony has free reign, much like MS on XBL. But offline, they should not be controlling how you use your hardware. Software purchases are licenses, hardware purchases are physical ownership. The user should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want to to that hardware.

You might want to check and see if it's doing it with other games. Might be a hardware issue.

It only did it with Ratchet and Clank twice during loading scenes after the update. LBP2 and GT5 seem to be fine.

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I don't have a problem with updates. Not sure why everybody else does :\.

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Or maybe they need to check their connections. Or maybe don't rush to download the update the instant it is out. But I rarely have to worry about it anymore since it downloads them for me, since I am on PS+.

PS+ makes a big difference, I'd imagine, since it downloads everything at night for you.

Also, I rarely download the update the instance it is out. Actually, I have no idea. I use the PS3 about once every 3-4 weeks usually and don't pay attention to the update schedule.

Yes and no I guess. The hardware isn't physically changed but since the firmware essentially determines how the hardware can be accessed, it is changing it to a degree.

Your point is what I was trying to say, though. On PSN, Sony has free reign, much like MS on XBL. But offline, they should not be controlling how you use your hardware. Software purchases are licenses, hardware purchases are physical ownership. The user should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want to to that hardware.

Agreed so what Sony should do is if they know someone is running a hacked unit is remove the OS and all the software from the PS3. Just erase the bios... no hardware is modified, they just lose all software rights, no games, no bluray, no PS3 OS.

Agreed so what Sony should do is if they know someone is running a hacked unit is remove the OS and all the software from the PS3. Just erase the bios... no hardware is modified, they just lose all software rights, no games, no bluray, no PS3 OS.

They can't do it. Because technically them deleting the software could be considered the same as them modifying the hardware. Since you own the hardware they cannot forcibly break it by removing the software that is stored on your equipment. Software is based on "License to use". They can terminate the license to use so by using the software you were committing copyright infringement, but terminating your right to use the software does not mean they are given the right to remove the software from your hardware.

They can't do it. Because technically them deleting the software could be considered the same as them modifying the hardware. Since you own the hardware they cannot forcibly break it by removing the software that is stored on your equipment. Software is based on "License to use". They can terminate the license to use so by using the software you were committing copyright infringement, but terminating your right to use the software does not mean they are given the right to remove the software from your hardware.

No removing software would not be in violation. Like you stated they can revoke the license to use that software, which they can do by locking it or removing it. It's no different with Windows Validation system that can stop windows from operating at its full capabilities or randomly reboot.

Sony can argue that your license extends to the OS so disabling it to violators is there right. They are not stopping users from using the "hardware"... since thats something physical... they can make it still boot and just display a message that access to the PS3 OS has been revoked.