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Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

ETA: You're talking about getting a committee together to police people's behavior, making sure that they're acting and thinking in an "American" fashion, whatever the hell that means.

ETA2: Face it, if the democrats did this today, you'd be on here complaining about how it was a travesty.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country(eta. Now they seem to be our friends with just a different point of view). Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country(eta. Now they seem to be our friends with just a different point of view). Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

Some people have short memories or else they haven't read enough history.

Oh, and McCarthy was a Senator who had nothing to do with HUAC. He was right about his list though.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

My freedom, my countries freedom and those of my sons, daughters and your children isn't up for friendly debate as far as Im concerned.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country(eta. Now they seem to be our friends with just a different point of view). Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

Some people have short memories or else they haven't read enough history.

Oh, and McCarthy was a Senator who had nothing to do with HUAC. He was right about his list though.

I realize this. I was just using him as an example for some here.

Senator McCarthy went after those within our govt. Whereas the house went after movie stars, etc..

Actually I could care less about them. They are more than welcome to be a red if they want. Its the people who have taken over within our govt. that concerns me.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

I agree as long as the opposition isn't advocating Socialism .Destroying our Constitution should not be open for debate. What obama and the dems have done is treason. I want hearings ,trials and investigations I want Washington stopped in its tracks I want to see elected officials go to prison.

If being Unamerican means being for free speech and thought then I'm unamerican, and proud. If this country comes to the point where it suppresses dissenting ideas, regardless of their basis, I would gladly watch it burn to the ground.

Originally Posted By JIP:...]ou do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

No part of 'being American' involves allowing the Left to turn the Republic into some shithole socialist state. If it takes extraordinary means to prevent that from happening, so be it.

Even though the press doesn't talk about it anymore there is still a war against freedom and totalitarianism or free market capitalism and communism. The problem is that the enemy is in the camp and has taken the fuck over.

Example: In the 90's there were national security threats to our energy infrastructure, still today, Nuclear power plants and coal plants, oil reserves were all targets by terrorists to damage our country and economy. Now today people within our own government have openly advocated bankrupting those same industries and its no longer perceived as a national security threat? You got to pay attention to what the hell is going on.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:
I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

I agree as long as the opposition isn't advocating Socialism .Destroying our Constitution should not be open for debate. What obama and the dems have done is treason. I want hearings ,trials and investigations I want Washington stopped in its tracks I want to see elected officials go to prison.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT POSITION IS THE WRONG ONE. What happens when hillary clinton starts her own unamerican affairs commitee.

Originally Posted By Storm_Tracker:I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress?

These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion?

May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby.

ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp.

Because you started a thread that belongs in DU?

Ok smarty pants please explain.

The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU.

Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern.

There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you.

Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success.

This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom.

I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned

you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".

My freedom, my countries freedom and those of my sons, daughters and your children isn't up for friendly debate as far as Im concerned.

+1, if your entire political ideology revolves around grinding me and mine down to be slaves... well, I don't take to kindly to that idea.

I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless