I'm guessing FD isn't updated to reflect the new PPM behavior - Thestool, do you have any numbers for the shado-pan trinket vs H TITM and Relic of xuen at BIS level and entry level (~510 average for most heroic hunters I'd guess) laying around?

Originally Posted by Nemesis003

look at monk changes and look at hunter changes... and tell me they spent more then a coffee break trying to fix hunters.

You seem surprised that the newest class that was essentially a worse version of rogues (same gear, same weapons, same limitations, none of the benefits) needed more focus than a class that "works" and is "original" compared to everything else. Yes, pets not getting buffs are fucking annoying, and it'll probably get us sat if Lei Shen heroic or Ra Den has those mechanics, but they obviously have to focus on an entire class being subpar on everything <.<. See the big picture.

look at monk changes and look at hunter changes... and tell me they spent more then a coffee break trying to fix hunters.

They probably didn't, but buffs are buffs and I wont complain.

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Originally Posted by Dracodraco

I'm guessing FD isn't updated to reflect the new PPM behavior - Thestool, do you have any numbers for the shado-pan trinket vs H TITM and Relic of xuen at BIS level and entry level (~510 average for most heroic hunters I'd guess) laying around?

Something interesting GC said in the thread:
- Proc rate multiplied by 0.1 for non-melee specs. Proc rate multiplied by 0.25 against player controlled units. Proc rate multiplied by 1/(1.15^((528-ItemLevel)/15) for the various Item Level versions of the trinket.

What are peoples thoughts on this considering how undervalued most of the trinkets are already?

Something interesting GC said in the thread:
- Proc rate multiplied by 0.1 for non-melee specs. Proc rate multiplied by 0.25 against player controlled units. Proc rate multiplied by 1/(1.15^((528-ItemLevel)/15) for the various Item Level versions of the trinket.

What are peoples thoughts on this considering how undervalued most of the trinkets are already?

If you're referring to the non-melee spec thing, that doesn't apply to hunters - they're counting us as a melee spec here. They just don't want casters playing around with Rune.

haven't bothered simming the other ones, they don't really seem like contenders

Zeherah herself said to take the results of the trinkets with a grain of salt, so I'm compelled to say that that is probably wrong. AND the new RealPPM changes aren't in effect yet on her site, so H talisman of bloodlust gets devalued a bit.

Ah I was assuming that was just for hunters, because we are the only range agi spec/class, but if we count as melee then it won't matter.

It probably does apply to hunters in a bugged fashion. I was on the PTR and attacked a dummy for a collective time of about ~45 minutes and I didn't get any procs. Multiplying the proc chance by .1 would put be reducing the proc chance by 90% so that could be it possibly.