Siddons was also pleased that the team was scoring more than 200 and batting out 50 overs more often than they used to. "We used to score over 200 runs only about 25% of the time, but since I have been here it has gone up to 50%. That is a start. Things are not going to turn around overnight with this team. We have changed the team a fair bit; lots of younger players have come into the side. At the moment, we have the young guys learning the game at the international level and I see some really good performances."

Who will tell this guy that the score is a relative matter? In some matches, 180 is a good score, while in some others 280 is not. BD team think tank terribly misses out the dynamicity in their thinking based on the match condition. With that type of pre-planned target, they will even be more and more static.

Bangladesh certainly can not score 240+ in each match - they do not need to - but not achieveing such target will put more pressure on the players and they will be more and more void of confidence.

Siddons said it was a reality that other teams were better than Bangladesh and his players knew that. "Out there it is a tough game for them with the skill level they have got. Our batsmen average 20; batsmen in other teams average 35. So it's 350 for them versus 200 for us. That is the reality of the situation."

I do not understand what this guy is up to. And what the good comments like this will bring to the team. IMO, it needs to be a great stupid to make comments like that.

Siddons defended the 'Team Rules' that he drew up for each player and denied they were having an adverse effect on the players' natural game. "When I first came here, everyone was saying to me - you have got to stop Ashraful from playing rash shots all the time. Now that he has stopped playing rash shots, you are telling me to let him play them. So I am not sure what everyone wants. But with Ash batting at three, I think it's perfect. He can play his natural game until we lose two wickets. After that, he has to play a little bit more sensibly."

La jowab.

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with a few exceptions, most of those 200+ scores arent against the top 8 teams. Siddons is implying scoring 240 against the top 8 teams. He has a pretty good method, at first he talked about scoring 200+, once the team did that..with a lot of effort, he made 220 our target, i think we did that against india in the kitply cup..and now the target is 240. once the team does that, im sure he'll make the targets bigger gradually..and hopefully one day we'll see this team scoring 250+ consistently

sidons is thinking positive. and crating positive comment. the problem wiv bd players they do not belive in them self. classic example is when new zealand players belived in them self and won the match yesterday. at 1 point there wer 70 for 6 wikets they belived in them self and went up 2 181. and they belived that they wer gonna win and won

Originally Posted by rattleheadwith a few exceptions, most of those 200+ scores arent against the top 8 teams. Siddons is implying scoring 240 against the top 8 teams. He has a pretty good method, at first he talked about scoring 200+, once the team did that..with a lot of effort, he made 220 our target, i think we did that against india in the kitply cup..and now the target is 240. once the team does that, im sure he'll make the targets bigger gradually..and hopefully one day we'll see this team scoring 250+ consistently

Siddons is taking matches against Ireland into account to claim of achieving 50% mark, so you cannot take matches against Zimbabwe or Kenya out of the equation.

In Siddon's short era, on 38% occasions we managed to get past 200, during Whatmores last 2 years it was 39%, hardly any change in scenario, but the ways we are achieving those 200 marks are hugely different.

Now we are losing matches even before it is started and concentrating on getting 200+ score.

yeah we arent playing matches against zim and kenya now are we, if we were, that percentage with shoot up right up to the 80% mark. during whatmore era, it took him four years to change us from loosers to an inconsistent bunch, who won once in a while. Instead of blindly hating, why dont we give siddons one more year and see what he does.
"Now we are losing matches even before it is started and concentrating on getting 200+ score." if concentrating on getting 200+ scores at this level makes the players wet their pants with pressure..then we simply arent good enough to play.
Consistensy is what everyone is looking for, once we get consistent, we'll win matches for sure, and it cannot be done overnight.

Man, you just saved my time from writing some points to the Cry Babies. Thanks a lot.

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Originally Posted by rattlehead
yeah we arent playing matches against zim and kenya now are we, if we were, that percentage with shoot up right up to the 80% mark. during whatmore era, it took him four years to change us from loosers to an inconsistent bunch, who won once in a while. Instead of blindly hating, why dont we give siddons one more year and see what he does.
"Now we are losing matches even before it is started and concentrating on getting 200+ score." if concentrating on getting 200+ scores at this level makes the players wet their pants with pressure..then we simply arent good enough to play.
Consistensy is what everyone is looking for, once we get consistent, we'll win matches for sure, and it cannot be done overnight.

We won 26 out of 48 matches played in the last two years of Whatmore, that's not inconsistent, fairly consistent performance. It didn't take four years to convert us from loosers to winners, it took just over a year.

During the same period we bagged 5 wins against top eight teams, that's inconsistent, but still big wins.

I want to target consistency and match win within the same period of time. Whatmore managed wins, but failed in consistent performance against top teams. Siddons is failing on both grounds.

Whatmore got a bunch of losers, but Siddons received a bunch of inconsistent winners. Siddons's job should have been easier compared to Whatmore's, but he is making the opposite conversion. He has now converted us again into losers and now he have to re-convert us into winners and only then you can be consistent winners.

I don't see a place of consistent losers in world cricket.

Scoring 200 runs cannot be considered as consistent performance when the opponents are scoring 300+.

"We won 26 out of 48 matches played in the last two years of Whatmore, that's not inconsistent, fairly consistent performance. It didn't take four years to convert us from loosers to winners, it took just over a year." and most of the matches were against who in the last two years? few wins here and there in two years against the top 8 wont take us anywhere. and we are well past the winning days against zim and kenya.

I do agree our bowling department is failing quite a lot, it used to be our main strength. and thats only because we had m. rafique, rasel and the good ol' mortaza back then. now what do we have, a whole new bunch, rasel will be back after injury, no rafique and mortaza has a potential beer belly, infact he does.

Siddons is a mainly a batting oriented coach, and he is doing his job in his department and also as a head coach. is it his fault he's not getting proper support. whos that fast bowling coach bcb hired again? where the hell is he?

but look on the bright side, if u see any, our batting has improved so much. we no longer have to rely on ashraful all the time. at this level he is having the players to teach basic techniques..come on, what other head coach of the national team of a cricket nation has to do that?

Miraz bhai, great dig and agree 100% with with your analysis that followed.

He is just putting all our achievement in to garbage and telling the media that we are a piece of **** and every positive thing is his achievement. I am not sure, if JS is targetting the Jatio Sangsad election in December. Everything he says sounds like the voice of of a traditional BD politician. (every failure is up to the past govt, every achievement is a credit of the ruling party.)

Originally Posted by Baundule
Miraz bhai, great dig and agree 100% with with your analysis that followed.

He is just putting all our achievement in to garbage and telling the media that we are a piece of **** and every positive thing is his achievement. I am not sure, if JS is targetting the Jatio Sangsad election in December. Everything he says sounds like the voice of of a traditional BD politician. (every failure is up to the past govt, every achievement is a credit of the ruling party.)

I think and sincerely hope that he's more worried about the shambolic state of Bd cricket and less about his self promotion. He is not paid to earn to sugar coat things with honey on top. Facts are facts! We don't have the quality to compete consistently against the top 8 because our players are skills-less. JS's trying to put together a game plan that can maximize each players growth as a cricketer which by extension will help the team cause as well. Let's face it, Bd is a laughing stock of world cricket because our players fail to do even the most basic things correctly. Call it mental mistakes, youthful exuberance or lack of applications, our players simply do not bat with a purpose and seem to be preoccupied with entertaining the crowd with fancy shots rather than trying to master the basics. If our players LEARN to play the high percentage/constructive ways, then our rare wins may not be deemed as "flukes", "anomalies" or "miracles" by the cricketing world. Remember the best way to achieve anything is by earning it with labour and intelligence. JS is trying to teach these guys that there is a method to even madness. Scoops and pedals entertain audience but the true recognition of a batsman comes from his conventional cricket shots. I just don't understand the skepticism lot of people have with his method. Winning is a process and our players have to work hard towards it to achieve it. Our neighbouring countries like India and Srilanka used to lose a lot of games in the past however, they've turned it around by developing a good cricketing culture that promoted the propre cricketing skills. I'm hoping BD can one day reach that state through good leadership.

Originally Posted by Ishtylish cricketer
Bd is a laughing stock of world cricket because our players fail to do even the most basic things.

May be now, although I disagree that we have already hit that low, but defnitely wasn't a laughing stock even one year ago.

Everyone used to praise BD for their exciting cricket, the only criticizing point was the inconsistency, but everyone was very much optimistic about the future.

Things have changed significantly over the last 6-7 months, unfortunately in wrong direction.

The point you are raising about the winning process is defnitely a valid one, but national team is not the place to do the experiment. He should be appointed as the head coach of academy or age group teams.

National team head coach should be someone who can inspire cricketers and bring out the best to overcome their obvious limitations in skills and temperament.

It's not that JS is the first man who understood our problems, he is the first man who is highlighting the problems to cover-up his failures.

We have our problems and every coach has tried to sort that out in their own ways.

Whatmore succeeded to keep the team morale and self esteem high and that resulted in consistent win against associates, Kenya and Zimbabwe. We used to lose against them regularly before Whatmore took charge.

His inspirational coaching resulted in some big wins, but he failed to bring consistency against top teams. He failed, but he never highlighted the problems to save his back, instead he tried to keep the fighting spirit on to overcome the limitations.

Our main problem is the standard of domestic cricket. We are not supplying enough quality players to the national pipeline. We need someone like Siddons, who is a pure batting coach, in between national team and domestic cricket to help batsmen overcome their skill and technical limitations.

lets give siddons another 6 months with this current tactic...it might work, it might not. at this point, we're lost either way.

much as the whatmore era was good, we won on pure chance (i.e everyone pulling it together to play responsibly once every 6 months or 15 games). we have to start winning more and it can only come with real improvements in mindset, and technique. i was quite upset with JS until a couple of weeks ago. but it seems he has changed at least one thing: big individual innings.

in other words we had 6 innings of 70+ runs in aprox 50 games during whatmore era, with half of the innings being eid al ashrafs. the pilot and JO innings were far to slow to warrant any match winning potential, whereas even rajin's 71 was rapid enough to have possibly won a match. thats too much dependence on one player, and that can't be good.