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Yes. And when you're 'holding' you're cheating. When you jump offsides or do a chop block, you're cheating.

That's pure nonsense. Cheating is an intentional attempt to be dishonest and get around the rules. It's immoral. Grabbing someone's jersey or accidentally crossing a line of scrimmage prematurely are rarely intentional and certainly not immoral.

What a horrible analogy.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.

i think the ravens are gonna win this on they have been a different team since ray lewis returned and they changed oc's

Speaking of Ray Lewis....is anyone else kind of sick and tired of all the attention he's been getting and all his crying and "dancing" not to mention everyone is so quick to forget how he was involved somehow in a murder....I mean he's a great player, can't take that away from him, but quit crying on TV and quit doing snow angels in the turf

Speaking of Ray Lewis....is anyone else kind of sick and tired of all the attention he's been getting and all his crying and "dancing" not to mention everyone is so quick to forget how he was involved somehow in a murder....I mean he's a great player, can't take that away from him, but quit crying on TV and quit doing snow angels in the turf

A sore loser would be whining about the Patriots not being in the Super Bowl.

Fact: The Patriots lost. The way they played, they had no business being in the Super Bowl. I'm a fan of the team, but I don't turn a blind eye to what I saw. The Patriots had 3 chances to keep good drives going that were blown - one was the tipped ball that the Ravens intercepted. At best, the Pats had a 50/50 chance at that ball (you never know where a tip will go) and were still 2 scores behind when it happened.

The other two were just plain bad plays. Welker's uncharacteristic drop and that holding call (and again, the call was right, it was the hold that was stupid).

The Ravens played well enough to get ahead of the Pats and keep them down. I don't have to like them to congratulate them.

That's pure nonsense. Cheating is an intentional attempt to be dishonest and get around the rules. It's immoral. Grabbing someone's jersey or accidentally crossing a line of scrimmage prematurely are rarely intentional and certainly not immoral.

What a horrible analogy.

Jumping offsides is an intentional attempt to "time" the snap and get an unfair advantage. Most pass interference calls are an attempt to illegally prevent someone form having a fair chance at the ball.

Sure, some penalties are accidental - but you ask ANY football player and they'll tell you they work to push the envelope on the rules as much as possible. Some penalties are GOOD penalties in that they prevent the other team from scoring (take the 15-yards instead of the 6 points)

There's an old saying in NASCAR that applies here - "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying".

Speaking of Ray Lewis....is anyone else kind of sick and tired of all the attention he's been getting and all his crying and "dancing" not to mention everyone is so quick to forget how he was involved somehow in a murder....I mean he's a great player, can't take that away from him, but quit crying on TV and quit doing snow angels in the turf

IMO the way Tony Gonzalez went out was WAY classier....

+1 about Gonazalez.

To be honest, I'd *like* to believe that Ray Lewis is a changed man. He was the epitome of the 'thug' early in his career but people CAN change. Still - paying off that family and his missing white suit from the night of the murder will probably dog him for the rest of his life.

Jumping offsides is an intentional attempt to "time" the snap and get an unfair advantage. Most pass interference calls are an attempt to illegally prevent someone form having a fair chance at the ball.

Sure, some penalties are accidental - but you ask ANY football player and they'll tell you they work to push the envelope on the rules as much as possible. Some penalties are GOOD penalties in that they prevent the other team from scoring (take the 15-yards instead of the 6 points)

There's an old saying in NASCAR that applies here - "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying".

Hoosier, go listen to any retired player talk about what they tried to get away with. I remember the days when players cheated in completely different ways - like hiding objects under bandages to hit other players harder. Cheating, like everything else, has evolved - certainly in the 40 years I've been watching football and other sports.

...or do you believe all those expressions of disbelief every time a player gets flagged for a penalty?

Hoosier, go listen to any retired player talk about what they tried to get away with. I remember the days when players cheated in completely different ways - like hiding objects under bandages to hit other players harder. Cheating, like everything else, has evolved - certainly in the 40 years I've been watching football and other sports.

...or do you believe all those expressions of disbelief every time a player gets flagged for a penalty?

Jumping offsides is an intentional attempt to "time" the snap and get an unfair advantage. Most pass interference calls are an attempt to illegally prevent someone form having a fair chance at the ball.

Sure, some penalties are accidental - but you ask ANY football player and they'll tell you they work to push the envelope on the rules as much as possible.

"Most" players who jump offside don't do it intentionally, and "most" players who commit pass interference do not do so intentionally. They'd be benched so fast their heads would spin.

Pushing the envelope is one thing, but what it's not is cheating. Cheating is a form of lying; it's immoral. In fact, it's contrary to the 8th Commandment's prohibition on being untruthful, deceptive. I have yet to see an NFL penalty rise to the level of being prohibited by any of the 10 Commandments.

"Thou shalt not commit pass interference."

I stand by my earlier assertion that your comparing NFL penalties to cheating was a poor and incorrect analogy.

FAITH: I find the lack of it disturbing.

Opinions are my own but should be those of all Americans, who would be much better off intellectually, psychologically, and emotionally if that were the case.

Cheating in FB is intentionally grabbing a jersey, facemask, arm, etc. when you think you can get away with it, usually because you're screened from the Refs. Other forms less clear. If the punter falls down screaming like a soccer player because he was lightly brushed, I'd call that cheating; others wouldn't.

Faking an injury to give your team time to regroup? That's also cheating.

Offsides isn't cheating; it's a penalty. Usually a stupid one.

Helmet to helmet contact- cheating? If intentional, it's almost homocidal; should be ejection. If unintentional, should be a 15 yarder. Intentionally harming an opponent is the worst sort of cheating.

Hoosier, go listen to any retired player talk about what they tried to get away with. I remember the days when players cheated in completely different ways - like hiding objects under bandages to hit other players harder. Cheating, like everything else, has evolved - certainly in the 40 years I've been watching football and other sports.

...or do you believe all those expressions of disbelief every time a player gets flagged for a penalty?

Cheating... like when a QB slides and deliberately lifts his leg to attempt to injure the opposing team's star safety?

If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.