Talk: Water Tribe

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In the article. This is mentioned

"The names of the Southern and Northern tribes' citizens often includes one or two "K" (Katara, Hakoda, Sokka, Pakku, Kya, Kuruk, Kanna etc), such as happen in Fire Nation with the "Z". However, this doesn't happen in the Foggy Swamp Tribe. Katara is the MOST brilliant water bender ever."

However, I can think of a few who don't have a K such as Bato, Hama or Yugoda. The same can also be said about them ending in an A with the same probability (actually higher) than the K issue. Every one except for Bato, Kuruk and Pakku end in an A, but I don't think this is worth mentioning. The same with K. And what is the deal about Katara being the most brilliant ever?
--Michael1221988 18:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Often doesn't mean always, it just means it's common, and the Katara thing was an anon being an idiot. Omnibender 22:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Water Tribes

Can we discuss possibly changing the article name to water tribes because there are more than one. Alex101313 00:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. In the first episode, when Katara was narrating, she said "the Water Tribes, the Earth Kingdom..." I think the collective term is Water Tribes, and not Water Tribe.

Bumping, though I'm personally neutral. I do, however, want to ask if and why the Foggy Swamp people are considered part of the Water Tribe. Other than waterbending, there doesn't seem to be anything connecting them. The Swamp inhabitants didn't even know that other waterbenders existed before meeting Aang's group. Due to their widely diverging customs and isolation from the outside world, I dare say they can't even be considered the same "people," as again, the only thing they have in common is waterbending. This is like saying Americans and French people both bake baguettes, therefore all Americans are part of France. At the very least, we can't say that they are all part of the same political entity, i.e. the Water Tribe, as they don't seem to recognize the authority of the Chief or the Elders, as the South did up until it declared independence at the end of Book Two in LoK.Lord Hyōga♦♦Tree of Ages 04:04, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I believe they are considered to be a part of the tribes because their ancestors are from the Southerns Water Tribe (source on the old nick.com site). There is indeed definitely an argument to be made that they seem to have little in common with the Southern and Northern Water Tribe, but that alone does not mean that they are an official, worldly recognized tribe on their own. By that I mean that yes, it is recognized that they are a separate tribe when referring to them -the Foggy Swamp Tribe- but they are not officially recognized by the rest of the world, thus not giving them any "legal" representation. This is evidenced by the fact that the Foggy Swamp had no representation on the United Republic council. It could be said that the same goes for the Southern Water Tribe, but I guess that its more open location and worldly recognition gives it a bit more extra rights or something.

However, now that the Southern Water Tribe has officially declared independence, there is something to be said to renaming this page to "Water Tribes" since now there are indisputably two tribes. LadyLostrisvstf(talk • HotN) 10:00, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I could see calling the FST a water tribe, but not part of the Water Tribe, again pointing to the complete lack of contact between either or knowledge of each other's existence for most of their history. Lord Hyōga♦♦Tree of Ages 10:05, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Katara and Sokka didn't know of the tribe, that's all we know for sure. We also know that Hakoda and Bato expressed their aversion to their clothing decisions, but that does not prove that they didn't know of the tribe or that the Northern Tribe -which was shown to have a more established educational system- didn't have any recollection of them. Since they were originally migrates from the Southern Tribe, it is possible that some note of that is made in their history books. Obviously, this is speculation from my part, but it is just to indicate that purely based on what we do know from official canon sources, we cannot conclude that they are a WT on themselves. It's not because a certain group move, that they suddenly stop being part of the bigger picture -unless they are worldly recognized as being an entity on themselves, quod non. LadyLostrisvstf(talk • HotN) 10:10, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Although it could be argued that since they live in the Earth Kingdom that they are in the same category as waterbending citizens in Republic City. In any case, I still say that since Water Tribe implies one, unified political entity, but if it were changed to tribes plural, a lot of this ambiguity would be moot.Lord Hyōga♦♦Tree of Ages 10:24, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Since TLoK Book clearly established that the SWT and NWT were ruled by a single chief, namely the NWT chief, I'd say that up until the official independence, they indeed were one, unified political entity -although they obviously had their issues. Though I see that more as the difference between a government on a federal and on a state level. But, as stated before and reiterated by you now, the fact that the SWT declared itself independent, makes this discussion something of the past as there are now indisputable two water tribes. LadyLostrisvstf(talk • HotN) 10:31, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Quote

Can I use Iroh's description of the Water Tribe from Bitter Work as the quote for this article?

Water is the element of change. The people of the Water Tribe are capable of adapting to many things. They have a deep sense of community and love, that holds them together through anything.Weedefinition(Talk) 01:22, February 5, 2010 (UTC)