When is DC's The New 52 going to revert back to the original universe

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I doubt it will ever completely revert, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they started adding more elements from the old continuity as it goes on. I wouldn't be at all if in another 5 or 10 years, the New 52 is pretty close to what we had before.

I doubt it will ever completely revert, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they started adding more elements from the old continuity as it goes on. I wouldn't be at all if in another 5 or 10 years, the New 52 is pretty close to what we had before.

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I think that is exactly what will happen.

In 5 years, they will have enough "new" fans of the "new" continuity, why would they revert?

Why would they revert... ever? In two or three years, who is still going to care about the "old" continuity? Maybe a vocal minority... but who cares?

I doubt it will ever completely revert, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they started adding more elements from the old continuity as it goes on. I wouldn't be at all if in another 5 or 10 years, the New 52 is pretty close to what we had before.

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I think that is exactly what will happen.

In 5 years, they will have enough "new" fans of the "new" continuity, why would they revert?

Why would they revert... ever? In two or three years, who is still going to care about the "old" continuity? Maybe a vocal minority... but who cares?

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LOL! As soon as the 90's generation hits middle age, and is running the show at DC, they'll cater to their generation and it's nostalgia.

After which the generation currently buying will run the show, chuck it all as it enters it's nostalgia phase and bring back a new nu52...on and on.

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I've just gone one question.

How, exactly, does "The New 52" differ from the 52-Earth multiverse established after Countdwn to Infinite Final Identity Crisis or whatever it was that they did in 2008 that created 52 Earths? Did they already establish a new multiverse just a few years ago, before this new new multiverse?

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^ The 52'Verse is almost an entirely new continuity, separate from the DCU (and which now includes the Wildstorm universe). The multiverse still exists, as there are alternate realities. I don't know about the 52 Earths though. They're still establishing things. The relaunch is a work in progress.

They'll borrow from the old versions what they want and make up new stuff as time goes by. That's been standard operating procedure at DC for thirty to fifty years now.

I can't see why they would ever revert back entirely to the continuity of an earlier generation. That's not how it works.

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One of the aspects of the new52 that I find intriguing is the existence of Pandora. Unlike the Mephisto/Spider-man nonsense, where Marvel tried their best not to explain anything - it just worked ("magic") - the new 52verse has actual, visible seams. I think this is deliberate, not just as a backdoor to bring the old continuity back (as Greg says, that's unlikely to happen). Part of the fabric of DC's universe is that time is extremely fluid, that the heroes often lost these big game-changing events in whole or in part (if by "victory" we mean stability and continuity).

Difficult continuity and things which don't make sense seem to be core to how people in the DC universe actually live. The survival of Thomas Wayne's letter to his son is a clear indication that Batman, at least, is aware not just of the multiverse, but of the ever-changing nature of reality itself.

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The reason why I stated I believe Pandora to be a back door plot device is due to the line she gave Barry in the final issue of Flashpoint the 52'Verse was being created by the merging realities. She stated something to the effect of you need to help me fix the timeline Barry. Not realities, but timeline. For some reason I took that to meant that the 52'Verse was somehow "flawed" or needed fixing. Maybe I'm leaning too much into nothing. It is obviously that Pandora is tied into something greater going on...perhaps the first true relaunch event next year? I dunno.

I'm still waiting for it to revert back to pre Crisis on Infinite Earths.

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The New 52 IS essentially the pre-crisis DC universe. The guys running the show at DC are silver age guys and they've essentially jettisoned everything that came afterwards in favor of silver age story telling.

I'm still waiting for it to revert back to pre Crisis on Infinite Earths.

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The New 52 IS essentially the pre-crisis DC universe. The guys running the show at DC are silver age guys and they've essentially jettisoned everything that came afterwards in favor of silver age story telling.

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There's nothing "Silver Agish" about the current narrative approach. The return to older versions of some of the characters, maybe, but not the stories.

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At best, and this is a long-shot, they'd somehow find a way to integrate what worked pre-"New 52" with what's worked in the "New 52." As others pointed out, they're not going to revert back with Wonder Woman anytime soon. Really, all the Batman and Green Lantern titles need is allowing the creators to extend the characters timelines back further than 5 years and some minor tweaks to fix problems that occurred in the characters histories (such as the issues with the Robins and the fate of Alex DeWitt for Kyle Raynor that Newsarama recently pointed out). Superman is arguably in a better place now than in years and certainly in a much better place than his recent "Walk Across America" which was almost universally panned.

Honestly, I see more good in the "New-52" than bad. I say this as a fan of the Justice Society being on "our" earth and the legacy aspect DC ran with for decades. I was also a bigger fan of the pre-"New-52" Firestorms and Blue Beetles than of their current versions. Despite all of this, going back would be a mistake. I personally think Wonder Woman and Superman were at best boring and at worst horrible for most of 2010-2011. I was not a fan of "New Krypton," either. I also wasn't a fan of the Justice League since, well the early 2000's when Waid wrote it. I dropped Justice Society a few issues after Willingham and Sturges took over. I'm not a fan of Justice League or Earth 2, but I will concede they are better stories than what was being told before. And while, again Firestorm and Blue Beetle are disappointments for me, it's not as if either had an on-going title that was well written right before Flashpoint, either. Dwayne McDuffie wrote a decent 3-parter to end the series, but really, it was early 2007 when Stuart Moore left Firestorm and mid 2008 when John Rogers left Blue Beetle (as with JSA, I wasn't a big fan of Matt Sturges on this title, either) when I last was in love with how these characters were written.

I'm still waiting for it to revert back to pre Crisis on Infinite Earths.

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The New 52 IS essentially the pre-crisis DC universe. The guys running the show at DC are silver age guys and they've essentially jettisoned everything that came afterwards in favor of silver age story telling.

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Except for the stuff they didn't. (GL and Batman). Superboy isn't Superman as a boy. The Teens Titans aren't sidekicks. I don't recall a Stormwatch in the Silver Age. So far the stories aren't very Silver Age either. They aren't done in ones, with little or no characterization.

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Yeah. Look at Superman, for example.

They did a soft reboot in the early 70s: Wiped out kryptonite, weakened Superman, made Clark a TV reporter, etc. But by the early 80s, kryptonite was back, Superman was back up to silver age power levels and Clark was working for both GBS and the Planet.

Then, Byrne came along and did the hard reboot. No other Kryptonians, a less powerful Superman, a sterile Krypton, not being friends with Batman, etc. But then DC quickly brought in a new Supergirl, a new Superboy, etc. and we even got a more "silver age"ish version Krypton eventually. Meanwhile, Superman was getting more powerful, while he and Batman became buddies again. By the end of the pre-New 52 era, Superman was pretty much the same as he was pre-Byrne, except for the Lois-Clark marriage.

I suspect we'll see the same sort of thing again with this latest reboot as writers come in and insist on playing with the characters and concepts they grew up with.

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There's a pattern of shaking things up to get people's attention when things are in too much a moribund status quo and then going back to the core concepts that provide characters with their enduring popularity.