thanks rich. i'm not so sure about a 10.5 fishy. i will probably go with the 16mm. <BR> <BR>also, i'm considering switching to canon. maybe buy a used 30d and used lenses; 70-200 2.8l is, 16-35 2.8, and 15 fishy. <BR> <BR>(Message edited by dakid on April 23, 2007)

richd

04-24-2007 6:34 AM

Hey Joe, <BR> <BR>You can get a good used 1D2 now in the very low 2's. I just bought a refurb 1D2 for $2300, will be getting it thur. I'm still on a waiting list for the new 1D3 but I probably will wait til next year for that. <BR> <BR>After looking at a lot of 1D2 files I decided there is plenty of IQ there for me even though I really wanted to keep it at 10mp. If you do go Canon I'd take a hard look at the new 70-200 f4L IS, as I've posted here before it's got the best IQ of any of the 70-200 Canon L's. <BR> <BR>The f4L IS is weather sealed so if you ended up with that and a 1D2 or 2N you've got a rig that you won't have to worry about out in the boat. <BR> <BR>Plus the 15mm's are more fishy because of the larger sensor in the 1 series. <BR> <BR>Here's another breakdown: <BR>Canon 1D2: $2200 <BR>70-200 f2.8 non IS or 4LIS: $1050 <BR>Canon or sigma 15mm FE: $350 - $500 <BR>WA: Tamron 17-35 f2.8-4: $300 or Canon 17-40L f4: $600

xtremebordgurl

04-24-2007 8:03 AM

Joe, thats exactly what I did back in march. For a little over 5k (approx 5200) i got: <BR> <BR>the D200 <BR>the 70-200mm vr <BR>the 12-24mm <BR>one sb800 <BR>one extra battery <BR>the vertical grip <BR>a 2.0 lens baby <BR>two 4gig flash cards <BR>a new camera bag <BR> <BR>and I feel like I'm forgetting something... but that's all the major stuff. So far, I love the setup. Still working on customizing things and there are a few more things I'd like to get, but wait... there always will be. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0>

bigdad

04-24-2007 10:11 AM

rson - 20-200? do you mean the 18-200? I have that lens. waited nearly 3 months for it ($750) It is very very good outside in the sunlight. Indoors, the aperature isn't big enough for pics without a lot of overhead light and flashes. But to be able to go from a wide angle to 200mm with the twist of a wrist is awesome. <BR> <BR>Then again, I have never used a 28-70 or 70-200 f/2.8 so I have nothing to compare it to. <BR> <BR>It's a lot of money to spend for a fisheye. I don't imagine using the fishy except for a couple of specialty shots.

clubmyke

04-24-2007 11:00 AM

joe, <BR> <BR>why dont you get a canon and some real lenses like the canon "l" series ? <BR> <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/proud.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by clubmyke on April 24, 2007)

rson

04-24-2007 11:36 AM

Oh yeah....I meant that. <BR> <BR>That is the next lens on my list.

richd

04-24-2007 11:36 AM

Canon 1 series is easier to keep clean then Nikon - just spray it down with the hose! <BR><img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87667/440100.jpg" alt="Upload"> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by richd on April 24, 2007)

peter_c

04-24-2007 11:44 AM

Canon is supposed to have a better lense system. I went with a D200 because of the underwater housing choices. Specifically I wanted a Sea &amp; Sea housing, not Ikelite. <BR> <BR>Rich is about dead on, for pricing. The 18-200mm lense can be had for $750 if you want to wait. I got mine for $819 to my door, but that company uped the price even. <BR> <BR>The 12-24mm lense is a pleasure to have, but instead of getting a Nikkor lense, I went with the Tokina, which has received great reviews, for $450. Cashed in all my pocket change at Coinstar and took it as an Amazon.com coupon, to pay for the lense <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> <BR> <BR>There are many people that use a 10.5mm lense. I am going to be getting a 60mm macro lense for shooting underwater mostly and for shooting flowers etc. <BR> <BR>The Sandisk Extreme III 4 gigs are going for around $54 delivered off Ebay, which is not a bad way to go. <BR> <BR>This is a great website for info <a href="http://www.nikonians.com" target="_blank">www.nikonians.com</a> but you have to register, which is free.

bigdad

04-24-2007 3:31 PM

Peter - <BR> <BR>Do you find the 12-24 is good for indoor shots? At f/4 seems kind of slow. But since getting my Nikkor 18-200... I've been really enjoying my shots at 18 mm

rson

04-24-2007 3:57 PM

You have a little left over.....get a SB800 flash <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

clubmyke, only rookies that don't know how to use their cameras say things like that. <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>rich, wow! when's the 40d comin' out? <BR> <BR>if i stick w/ nikon, i'm probably going to get the 17-55 2.8 for wide and the 16mm fishy. the 10.5 is "too fishy" for my taste.

richd

04-24-2007 6:50 PM

Just Vaporware in my imagination at this point. <BR> <BR>I think canon will intro something this fall and I'm just guessing at the specs, it would be a nice body and some competition for the D200 if it's anything like I listed. I'm sure features from the new mkIII will filter down to all of Canon's future offerings. <BR> <BR>You probably don't want to wait that long.

clubmyke

04-25-2007 12:31 AM

joe - <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/rofl.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>when do you want to head out ?

scott_a

04-25-2007 1:20 AM

Well if the 40D is announced, that's good news for Joe because it'll mean the prices for the 20D and 30D will fall through the floor! <BR> <BR>Do you think that Canon is gonna run dual chips in a pro-sumer body? Maybe they'll just use one digic 3 chip for the 40D to keep cost down? Obviously Canon has a history of letting the higher end tech trickle down into the pro-sumer bodies, but it's always kept a separation between them.

richd

04-25-2007 6:32 AM

I could see the twin digic III chips ending up in the next high end model (1DsmkIII?) because if it's 20+ MP it would need it to maintain any kind of reasonable shooting rate/buffer. I would doubt the twin configuration would ever end up in a non 1 series but who knows. I'm sure the digic 3 will be in all future Canon bodies. That's what happened after the digic II was introduced.

bakes5

04-26-2007 3:34 PM

Don't get the 16mm fish-eye with the D200. The 16mm is designed for full frame so when you use it on your D200's cropped sensor you are going to lose a lot of the fish effect. <BR> <BR>For me F4 s too slow for indoor stuff especially since you wil be fighting the noise at higher ISO. <BR> <BR>I think the 18-200VR is over-rated. On the other hand I absolutely love the 70-300VR. They are both "sunny day" lenses when it comes to sports though. <BR> <BR>The D40 is a toy compared to the D200 <BR> <BR>For the price it is hard to beat the D200 seeing as though it's competition is the 5D which is a bit more expensive

Spin2Win.....good fishy effect from the Sigma 8MM on the 30D...?? <BR> <BR>Looking for a fisheye...

richd

04-30-2007 12:24 PM

Remember the Canon 15mm FE was designed for film cameras. When I used it on the 20D most of the time it just looked like a wide angle shot. If you want a true fisheye effect on a 1.6X sensor the 8mm is a must.

spin2win

04-30-2007 1:42 PM

hell yea..the lens rocks. I took some shots from the tube this week ill try and post them up soon.