"There’s one thing you never put in a trap, if you’re smart. If you value your continued existence. If you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there’s one thing you never, ever put in a trap.......Me." - The 11th Doctor

Klaudandus wrote:On the other hand, Discord is voiced by john de lancie, basically reprising his role as Q.

It is because of that episode that i became a fan if that show...but i digress...

Rodgers cromartie to denverKolb will be released, jets to pursueNiners interested in asomughaVikings eyeing former packer jennings and bears urlacher, and matt cassel

I'm re-watching ST:TNG with my 8-year-old daughter because I reckon she's missing out if she doesn't understand what Star Trek is, and because it explores some interesting moral dilemmas. I find I hate Q just as much now as I did then.

Are the Eagles officially in free-fall yet?Koln in NY... Nah, I don't see that working.If Asomugha is the same as the Eagles version, I'm not bothered. If he's the Raiders version, I have more concern.Jennings to the Vikes would make a lot of their fans happy. Not sold on Cassel at all. Urlacher should retire.

With the number of teams still looking for QBs and all fighting over the same mediocre bunch of backups, I am happier than ever that the Seahawks got Wilson.

Browns fans are driving me insane. At least we can agree that we don't think weeden is the answer, but.... they want to collect every freaking QB who gets released. Kolb, Fitzpatrick, Tebow even....

Ugh... I don't know anymore. Of the QB's on the market, I don't see one that I'm sold on. Maybe Mallet, but only if we get him in with the understanding that if it doesn't work, we're going in another direction. My list of Qb's I would have wanted to see come to Cleveland is

Klaudandus wrote:Hey, Tebow won a playoff game, something the browns haven't done in years

I honestly, wouldn't have a huge problem with Tebow being a in Cleveland, but I don't know if I could deal with a media circus that it would become, and the joke was funny enough in my head, I couldn't pass it up.

Honestly, from the word coming out of cleve, if Geno Smith is there at 6 (which is starting to look really likely, barring a trade) they would entertain the idea of taking him. Tebow in the bible belt would make Sundays to religious for me.

Honestly, if he's there, it's probably not a terrible roll of the dice to take Geno. Barring that, the best QB on the open market right now is....probably Fitzpatrick, if only because he was moderately approaching competent for a stretch a year ago, which is more than you can say for most of the folks who have been let go. MAYBE Flynn, but I still don't know how much I trust him, and, to me, his body of work is questionable. With the threats Rodgers had, just about anyone could have lit it up. If Wilson hadn't been so good, we could have made some cracks about how Flynn got beat out for the starting job by a rookie, but Wilson was quality, so no shame on him in that.

If it was me, and I didn't think Smith was going to be there, I'd take a stab at Fitzy. Get him a couple of passable passcatchers, you've already got a solid RB, and see what happens.

Am I wrong in remembering that Cleveland's D wasn't wretched last year, or am I way off base on this?

EDIT: Doom cut his salary, and stays with the Denver Ponies. On paper, this team is really starting to look formidable. *fingers crossed*

"There’s one thing you never put in a trap, if you’re smart. If you value your continued existence. If you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there’s one thing you never, ever put in a trap.......Me." - The 11th Doctor

CrimsonEyes wrote:Honestly, if he's there, it's probably not a terrible roll of the dice to take Geno. Barring that, the best QB on the open market right now is....probably Fitzpatrick, if only because he was moderately approaching competent for a stretch a year ago, which is more than you can say for most of the folks who have been let go. MAYBE Flynn, but I still don't know how much I trust him, and, to me, his body of work is questionable. With the threats Rodgers had, just about anyone could have lit it up. If Wilson hadn't been so good, we could have made some cracks about how Flynn got beat out for the starting job by a rookie, but Wilson was quality, so no shame on him in that.

If it was me, and I didn't think Smith was going to be there, I'd take a stab at Fitzy. Get him a couple of passable passcatchers, you've already got a solid RB, and see what happens.

We've got a core of really good young receivers. They just don't have many catchable balls thrown their way. Fitz might be ok. I'm not sure what to think of Geno. He started out last season on fire.

Am I wrong in remembering that Cleveland's D wasn't wretched last year, or am I way off base on this?

Well, you have to take that with the fact that for the first 4 games, our top flight corner was suspended. And then for the next four games we were still without our monster DT's who were injured in early season / preseason.

Once we had Rubin, Taylor, and Haden on the field, we weren't terrible. We were weak at other CB spot, and had to play this garbage DB named Buster Skrine, who had more PI calls than the rest of the team (hyperbole, that could be true), and our safeties were young, and not good, and we had 1 good LB, 2 that were "meh" 1 that got hurt, and the Fujita debacle.

EDIT: Doom cut his salary, and stays with the Denver Ponies. On paper, this team is really starting to look formidable. *fingers crossed*

"There’s one thing you never put in a trap, if you’re smart. If you value your continued existence. If you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there’s one thing you never, ever put in a trap.......Me." - The 11th Doctor

And if they go to court, it would be funny if the Marlins argue that the reason the fans dont want to renew is because the team had a fire sale. I don't think that would go very well with a jury, seeing how Loria pretty much conned Miami into building him a stadium for a subpar team.

At this point, the upgrades to the Browns Defense better produce the greatest Defense ever to play the game, because we just lost our Points Scored Leader..... Of all time.

At least you can argue that being one of the nice guys, he deserves to have a better shot at a ring.

Oh, I agree.

Right now, the ire is directed at the new front office who has stayed mum about the whole thing. If Phil wanted a chance at a ring, no rational Browns fan would have given him grief about it, and we would have understood. Sure, you have the crazies, but we aren't all terrible.

At this point, the silence feels wrong. Not saying anything feels like they are trying to hide that they didn't want him back. Which is just bat shit crazy. I understand that football is a business, but the man missed 1 kick from 50+ yards over the past two seasons, and 3 from 40+. He's a great kicker, and a great guy, one that I feel should have been allowed to retire as a "one team player" if that was his choice. The silence feels like it wasn't his choice.

Maybe I'm just weird. But there are times, I just feel like people have earned the right to finish their career (in any field) in a way that suits them. Ray should have (and did) retire as a Raven. Brady should retire as a Pat, I wish Manning would have had the chance to retire as a Colt, Mariano has the chance to retire a Yankee, To me Phil is the same for Browns fans. He's been the one constant through the constant upheaval in Cleveland, and he has always been a humble, well spoken man in public.