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You hear so many things that at one point, you get used to them. And it’s like they gloss over you now. You don’t hear them anymore. You’re, you're numb. You’re vaccinated, you know. You’re immune to what you’re hearing. And as I always said, that’s when problems start.

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Donald J Horowitz: Tell me what you mean by that.

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For me personally, it’s not normal to be a human being and to be, not to feel anything because – but at the same time it’s a kind of protection. I, I will say a natural protection because you need to protect yourself and be able to live normally, you know, after hearing all these things, you know, because if they keep coming back, then you won’t sleep, then you will . . .

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