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The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party is proud to continue offering full and unequivocal support and solidarity to all public sector trade unionists in Somerset in your struggle to defend your pay and other conditions of service, as part of the wider struggle to defend our vital public services.

End low pay!

Fight until we win!

The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.

For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
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The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party is proud to continue offering full and unequivocal support and solidarity to all public sector trade unionists in Somerset in your struggle to defend your pay and other conditions of service, as part of the wider struggle to defend our vital public services.
End low pay!
Fight until we win!
The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.
For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
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The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party offers full and unequivocal support and solidarity, to all workers and trade unionists in their forthcoming strike against austerity on July 10.

The coordinated action over local government pay on 10 July will bring up to 1.5 million workers out on strike from across public sector unions. The 1% 'offer', following a three year earnings freeze, is a pay cut not a pay award.

Typical local government full-time hourly earnings are the same now as in the early 1990s. Part-time hourly wages have fallen to 2002 levels. 8% of full-time and 38% of part-time local government workers earn less than the living wage.

Meanwhile living costs soar through the roof: food bills up by 16%, electricity and gas by up to a staggering 57%. These price rises mean nearly a 20% fall in real wages with pay-day loans and food banks plugging the gaps for the army of working poor. 'Recovery'? Not for us!

Strike against austerity

But this strike and the mood that has led to the coordinated action is also about a whole lot more. We are battling a wholesale jobs massacre as local government is dismantled, jobs are slashed and public services sold off to private profiteers.

If our jobs have so far escaped the axe, we face increased workloads and pressure, and increasingly brutal disciplinary and sickness procedures in stealth job cutting by managers.

Enough is enough

Workers are reaching the point where they feel pushed to the limit by this demolition government of millionaires hell-bent on the destruction of public services.

Those of us who are school support workers in Unison and GMB have gained a massive boost in being able to strike alongside our teaching colleagues. Joint picket lines at school gates, refuse depots, libraries and council offices will, at last, give local government workers a feeling of our own strength.

Not a one-day battle

This fight will not be won on 10 July alone. In building for the ballots the message was clear from union members: this is no time for token one-day action. We demand a determined and escalating battle that delivers us a victory and a first mighty blow to the austerity agenda.

In the planned further action in September, the unions must use every weapon in their armoury. Our members in academy schools, who are not part of the July action, must be given the chance to fight, as should the army of health workers in their pay dispute as our NHS is dismantled and privatised.

The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.

Things could move rapidly through 10 July and beyond as a mood of confidence and angry determination ignites among workers and union leaderships must not be allowed to lag behind and dampen the flames.

10 July is the beginning of a fight we must win.

For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
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The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party offers full and unequivocal support and solidarity, to all workers and trade unionists in their forthcoming strike against austerity on July 10.
The coordinated action over local government pay on 10 July will bring up to 1.5 million workers out on strike from across public sector unions. The 1% 'offer', following a three year earnings freeze, is a pay cut not a pay award.
Typical local government full-time hourly earnings are the same now as in the early 1990s. Part-time hourly wages have fallen to 2002 levels. 8% of full-time and 38% of part-time local government workers earn less than the living wage.
Meanwhile living costs soar through the roof: food bills up by 16%, electricity and gas by up to a staggering 57%. These price rises mean nearly a 20% fall in real wages with pay-day loans and food banks plugging the gaps for the army of working poor. 'Recovery'? Not for us!
Strike against austerity
But this strike and the mood that has led to the coordinated action is also about a whole lot more. We are battling a wholesale jobs massacre as local government is dismantled, jobs are slashed and public services sold off to private profiteers.
If our jobs have so far escaped the axe, we face increased workloads and pressure, and increasingly brutal disciplinary and sickness procedures in stealth job cutting by managers.
Enough is enough
Workers are reaching the point where they feel pushed to the limit by this demolition government of millionaires hell-bent on the destruction of public services.
Those of us who are school support workers in Unison and GMB have gained a massive boost in being able to strike alongside our teaching colleagues. Joint picket lines at school gates, refuse depots, libraries and council offices will, at last, give local government workers a feeling of our own strength.
Not a one-day battle
This fight will not be won on 10 July alone. In building for the ballots the message was clear from union members: this is no time for token one-day action. We demand a determined and escalating battle that delivers us a victory and a first mighty blow to the austerity agenda.
In the planned further action in September, the unions must use every weapon in their armoury. Our members in academy schools, who are not part of the July action, must be given the chance to fight, as should the army of health workers in their pay dispute as our NHS is dismantled and privatised.
The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.
Things could move rapidly through 10 July and beyond as a mood of confidence and angry determination ignites among workers and union leaderships must not be allowed to lag behind and dampen the flames.
10 July is the beginning of a fight we must win.
For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
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The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.Bernard G

I see with some degree of hilarity, "SocialistParty-Some
rsetBranch" has discovered that they can manipulate the Score of each comment, most likely by loading a private browsing session, voting, then loading another private browsing session again.

Your tricks are showing you up to be guilty of spreading propaganda.

I hope you're deeply ashamed. NOW GET BACK TO WORK.

I see with some degree of hilarity, "SocialistParty-Some
rsetBranch" has discovered that they can manipulate the Score of each comment, most likely by loading a private browsing session, voting, then loading another private browsing session again.
Your tricks are showing you up to be guilty of spreading propaganda.
I hope you're deeply ashamed. NOW GET BACK TO WORK.twinkles

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.topcataj

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expectedBernard G

For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.

For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.david1966

Retired and loving it wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?

The tiny numbers of people who bother to vote in the union ballets, like 20-40% of members. Then the even smaller 60% of the 40% that actually wanted to strike so its a minority of PS workers who wanted to strike I doubt browne is sweating a massive backlash.

Anyone you dont vote Lib dem if your public sector you vote labour and even they arent that friendly with the unions anymore.

Cant see browne getting in again!

[quote][p][bold]Retired and loving it[/bold] wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?[/p][/quote]The tiny numbers of people who bother to vote in the union ballets, like 20-40% of members. Then the even smaller 60% of the 40% that actually wanted to strike so its a minority of PS workers who wanted to strike I doubt browne is sweating a massive backlash.
Anyone you dont vote Lib dem if your public sector you vote labour and even they arent that friendly with the unions anymore.
Cant see browne getting in again!Mi_Coc

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.topcataj

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.

Maybe the fact you've never made a stand is why many people in the private sector are moaning about their lack of a pension or poor terms and conditions etc....

For what it's worth, I don't agree with the groups striking over the pay offer, on the other hand fighting to maintain some of the other terms and conditions of employment from attack I think are very worthwhile.

The public sector has suffered and made lots of people redundant as well, and while the private sector is on the rise again, the public sector is still screwed for several more years.

[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]Maybe the fact you've never made a stand is why many people in the private sector are moaning about their lack of a pension or poor terms and conditions etc....
For what it's worth, I don't agree with the groups striking over the pay offer, on the other hand fighting to maintain some of the other terms and conditions of employment from attack I think are very worthwhile.
The public sector has suffered and made lots of people redundant as well, and while the private sector is on the rise again, the public sector is still screwed for several more years.topcataj

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.Bernard G

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.

I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.

[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.jellyonaplate

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.

[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.topcataj

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.

I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.

I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.

[quote][p][bold]jellyonaplate[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.[/p][/quote]I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.somerset2012

"A pay freeze in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and well below inflation rises in 2013 and 2014 has sent the pay packets of local government and school workers plummeting back to the level of the 1990s."

At least they have had pay rises. I changed job in 2011 and have not had a pay rise since. In the present economic climate people should count themselves lucky to be in work not going on strike for more money or better conditions. There are plenty of people who are unemployed that would happily work for what the public sector get.

"A pay freeze in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and well below inflation rises in 2013 and 2014 has sent the pay packets of local government and school workers plummeting back to the level of the 1990s."
At least they have had pay rises. I changed job in 2011 and have not had a pay rise since. In the present economic climate people should count themselves lucky to be in work not going on strike for more money or better conditions. There are plenty of people who are unemployed that would happily work for what the public sector get.MartinB58

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.

I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.

I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.

Having worked in both i agree and most public sector orgs are top heavy management wise and they are overpaid only look as scc as an example and see how many folk earn 80K plus a year, to manage a budget and cant even do that!

13k-160k its mad as a pay scale.

[quote][p][bold]somerset2012[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jellyonaplate[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.
Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.[/p][/quote]I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.[/p][/quote]Having worked in both i agree and most public sector orgs are top heavy management wise and they are overpaid only look as scc as an example and see how many folk earn 80K plus a year, to manage a budget and cant even do that!
13k-160k its mad as a pay scale.Mi_Coc

Retired and loving it wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?

he is telling you facts everybody got it hard ,you will be on a better wage than a lot us and we have to make ends meet and still pay our mortgage, bills etc so welcome to the real world either do job or get out !!! STOP messing around with us that are trying to work by having to take time off because of you lot !! WHY is it you don't see the ARMY on strike have you ever thought about that its because they are not allowed to but they put their LIFES ON THE LINE FOR YOU /ME and they have to put and shut up and all you do is sit in a class room moving your mouths and getting lots of holiday nearly a much as SANTA!!!!

[quote][p][bold]Retired and loving it[/bold] wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?[/p][/quote]he is telling you facts everybody got it hard ,you will be on a better wage than a lot us and we have to make ends meet and still pay our mortgage, bills etc so welcome to the real world either do job or get out !!! STOP messing around with us that are trying to work by having to take time off because of you lot !! WHY is it you don't see the ARMY on strike have you ever thought about that its because they are not allowed to but they put their LIFES ON THE LINE FOR YOU /ME and they have to put and shut up and all you do is sit in a class room moving your mouths and getting lots of holiday nearly a much as SANTA!!!!ladybird14

Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.

Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!
Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.
Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.
What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!
It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!
Lazy.Guy Smiley

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an &quot;interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.

Tell it how it is. You a 100% correct. Well done for saying what I think every day I got to work at CH

[quote][p][bold]Guy Smiley[/bold] wrote:
Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!
Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.
Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.
What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!
It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!
Lazy.[/p][/quote]Tell it how it is. You a 100% correct. Well done for saying what I think every day I got to work at CHsomerset2012

I heard an interview on the Lunchtime News, and the Strikng Woman , said that they were being forced now to do 2 people's jobs as others had been made redundant, lucky for them, that there still was a job for her to do, and I'm sure that up until her Job Changed, she was not as Constructive as she should have been. Because had she been, there would be no way that she could physically take on the Extra Workload.
They get no Sympathy from me, I've been Self Employed for the Last 18 years, No Payrises, Shrinking Pension Pot, unlike these Public Sector Workers. Gold Plated Pensions. / existing Salaries that the Private Sector would Love to earn, in the Open Market place that we have to compete against.
Get back to work, and stop ruining the Economy, you and your Unions, have I thing in Mind , !!! To Bring Down Our Conservative Government @ What ever Costs.............. The Unions, want the Beer and Sandwiches, or Lobster and Caviar, and a game of Croquette @ Chequers with Prescott !!
David L Preece
Blue -Owl

I heard an interview on the Lunchtime News, and the Strikng Woman , said that they were being forced now to do 2 people's jobs as others had been made redundant, lucky for them, that there still was a job for her to do, and I'm sure that up until her Job Changed, she was not as Constructive as she should have been. Because had she been, there would be no way that she could physically take on the Extra Workload.
They get no Sympathy from me, I've been Self Employed for the Last 18 years, No Payrises, Shrinking Pension Pot, unlike these Public Sector Workers. Gold Plated Pensions. / existing Salaries that the Private Sector would Love to earn, in the Open Market place that we have to compete against.
Get back to work, and stop ruining the Economy, you and your Unions, have I thing in Mind , !!! To Bring Down Our Conservative Government @ What ever Costs.............. The Unions, want the Beer and Sandwiches, or Lobster and Caviar, and a game of Croquette @ Chequers with Prescott !!
David L Preece
Blue -OwlBlue Owl

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.

Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits

[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suitsBernard G

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an &quot;interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.

There is potential for flexi to be abused as there is potential for people working in offices without flexi time to abuse their hours. I've seen both happen.

Some parts of the private sector are very strict on sick leave to the point of being unfair while others are pretty slack. A former housemate was 'off sick' from his private sector job for something like a year. There was nothing wrong with him but he was able to get signed off by a doctor every month for 'depression', got sick pay the entire time.
And there are some controls in at least parts of the public sector now, not as strict as supermarkets appear to be but apparently people who are off regularly are supposed to get looked in to.

I'll freely admit I've worked with some people in Public Sector who are work shy and should be sacked, but I've seen the same in Private Sector. I've also seen a number of people who work very hard in the public sector and have regularly lost flexi hours because they built up too many and lost them.

[quote][p][bold]Guy Smiley[/bold] wrote:
Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!
Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.
Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.
What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!
It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!
Lazy.[/p][/quote]There is potential for flexi to be abused as there is potential for people working in offices without flexi time to abuse their hours. I've seen both happen.
Some parts of the private sector are very strict on sick leave to the point of being unfair while others are pretty slack. A former housemate was 'off sick' from his private sector job for something like a year. There was nothing wrong with him but he was able to get signed off by a doctor every month for 'depression', got sick pay the entire time.
And there are some controls in at least parts of the public sector now, not as strict as supermarkets appear to be but apparently people who are off regularly are supposed to get looked in to.
I'll freely admit I've worked with some people in Public Sector who are work shy and should be sacked, but I've seen the same in Private Sector. I've also seen a number of people who work very hard in the public sector and have regularly lost flexi hours because they built up too many and lost them.topcataj

I have worked in private and public sectors ,when my public sector post was privatised we were very sure that things wouldn't change as we were already busy carrying out our tasks. How wrong we were. Much duplication/waste was scrapped and the whole enterprise took on a more professional attitude. We didn't realise we had been living in the old days. A point of interest to the public sector workers----how many private sector workers are in receipt of annual increments as many of you are, a pay rise under another name.

I have worked in private and public sectors ,when my public sector post was privatised we were very sure that things wouldn't change as we were already busy carrying out our tasks. How wrong we were. Much duplication/waste was scrapped and the whole enterprise took on a more professional attitude. We didn't realise we had been living in the old days. A point of interest to the public sector workers----how many private sector workers are in receipt of annual increments as many of you are, a pay rise under another name.duckface08

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.

Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.

[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.RightToAnOpinion

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.

Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits

No I think the unions are **** in the wind.

Most members of the public are private sector workers in which most have not had a pay rise and have see costs rise. They don't expect a pay rise so why should the public sector and if they have kids at school they have had to sort that problem out to.

If there not private or public sector they are on benefits and they have been squeezed either way unless your one the handful of london bankers who are back in business the rest of the population wont take much sympathy when they know the public sector still gets a good pension.

[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits[/p][/quote]No I think the unions are **** in the wind.
Most members of the public are private sector workers in which most have not had a pay rise and have see costs rise. They don't expect a pay rise so why should the public sector and if they have kids at school they have had to sort that problem out to.
If there not private or public sector they are on benefits and they have been squeezed either way unless your one the handful of london bankers who are back in business the rest of the population wont take much sympathy when they know the public sector still gets a good pension.Mi_Coc

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and &quot;job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.

It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.

Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected

Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.

PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.

Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.

Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.

I dont even know what a troll is - I never got around to asking topcat - I just thought it was some kind of mindless insult!

[quote][p][bold]RightToAnOpinion[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?
Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.[/p][/quote]I dont even know what a troll is - I never got around to asking topcat - I just thought it was some kind of mindless insult!Bernard G

they don't worry its more about the unions still trying show they have power which they don't but got to do something to justify there fees!

The problem in general with the uk be it private or public sector is wages at the bottom end and top a very disproportionate.

Why should someone earning £130k get 3-4% increase to keep up with the cost of living.

On the other hand those on less £20k should be getting a rise to help of maybe 10% it should be looked at in that way.

[quote][p][bold]ladybird14[/bold] wrote:
what sort of example are showing the children ?[/p][/quote]they don't worry its more about the unions still trying show they have power which they don't but got to do something to justify there fees!
The problem in general with the uk be it private or public sector is wages at the bottom end and top a very disproportionate.
Why should someone earning £130k get 3-4% increase to keep up with the cost of living.
On the other hand those on less £20k should be getting a rise to help of maybe 10% it should be looked at in that way.Mi_Coc