And Johnson and Johnson has been running really clean manufacturing, right? Or you haven't followed that story? There is an amazing amount of racism in your comments. White people (or maybe you mean Westerners) can run a good, safe drug manufacturing facility but Asians can't? Is that your assumption?

And before you take a pill, you go and inspect the plant where it was made? You are a real piece of work.

flaxceed does not seem to be "advertising" his wares any differently then how any of these other medicines are marketed. Except, he is keeping it in one thread, he is not buying ad spots to the general stupid public that has no need for these medicines, there is no 3 seconds of jibberish of side effects here because we are all online looking at this thread through a web browser that gives the ability to fully research things yourself. Still, he is here in this thread replying away to any concern as they come, despite the only thing that seems to be hated on, is the fact that he doesn't fear the results of other peoples ignorance as much everyone else.

Thank you flaxceed for allowing people to make their own decisions, whether they are informed or non-informed decisions, that is definitely up to the person, not you, good services, I hope competition springs up just so haters won't focus on you, but rather the fucked up laws and regulations in the US and elsewhere, where services like yours become necessary.

Smickles you should speak only for yourself. Perhaps you are ignorant, but my customers are not. They take time to understand the drugs they use and unlike big pharma they can make decisions based upon their own interests.

<snip> Don't expect me to post much more in this thread, if at all.

yeah, I guess that comes off as "free reign to call this guy a racist".I feel compelled to defend myself here now.

I don't have good reason to think that I know where your drugs come from, that's the point. At least with J&J, someone found out about it. So I dispute your baseless claim of racism.

also, in this context, bringing up J&J is a good example of the cherry picking fallacy.

Smickles you should speak only for yourself. Perhaps you are ignorant, but my customers are not. They take time to understand the drugs they use and unlike big pharma they can make decisions based upon their own interests.

<snip> Don't expect me to post much more in this thread, if at all.

yeah, I guess that comes off as "free reign to call this guy a racist".I feel compelled to defend myself here now.

I don't have good reason to think that I know where your drugs come from, that's the point. At least with J&J, someone found out about it. So I dispute your baseless claim of racism.

also, in this context, bringing up J&J is a good example of the cherry picking fallacy.

You should research what you argue...the vast majority of flaxceed's wares carry tamper-proof holograms bearing individual serial numbers to validate the manufacturer and quality of the product. There is also an overwhelming amount of consumer information available on forums from people who actively use the products.

My customers were labeled as ignorant because they don't personally inspect the plant where these products are manufactured. I think before you take a drug, you don't either. If this isn't a racism issue, what is your reasoning? Just explain yourself Smickles. Nobody on this thread sought you out; you came here with your judgmental and self-righteous comments. The least you can do is put together a well-reasoned argument to defend your position.

As a country "develops" people lose freedom. If you travel a bit to third-world and developing countries you begin to see that government is intrinsically oppressive. The richer and more powerful a government gets the more rules it imposes and the less freedom people have. My business bridges the gap between the freedoms enjoyed in the developing world and the needs of people in the developed world. What you are actually protesting is freedom. You feel a personal affront because your government's power is threatened. Your government LOVES you. You are exactly what they want and need to maintain control and limit freedoms.

My customers were labeled as ignorant because they don't personally inspect the plant where these products are manufactured. I think before you take a drug, you don't either. If this isn't a racism issue, what is your reasoning? Just explain yourself Smickles. Nobody on this thread sought you out; you came here with your judgmental and self-righteous comments. The least you can do is put together a well-reasoned argument to defend your position.

As a country "develops" people lose freedom. If you travel a bit to third-world and developing countries you begin to see that government is intrinsically oppressive. The richer and more powerful a government gets the more rules it imposes and the less freedom people have. My business bridges the gap between the freedoms enjoyed in the developing world and the needs of people in the developed world. What you are actually protesting is freedom. You feel a personal affront because your government's power is threatened. Your government LOVES you. You are exactly what they want and need to maintain control and limit freedoms.

Ok, maybe I just came in at the wrong time. When I first looked at your thread I saw:

ROFLMAO and LOL s

stuff concerning anabolic steroids and Valium.

Quite frankly, after seeing those three things, you came off as a 'drug dealer' rather than a 'pharmacist' (if you get my dichotomy there). I felt unsettled after seen that stuff and wanted to express that.

Jeez, this is frustrating.

I prefer to get my drugs at a compounding pharmacist, so basically, yeah I often watch them manufacture my drugs.

My customers were labeled as ignorant because they don't personally inspect the plant where these products are manufactured. I think before you take a drug, you don't either. If this isn't a racism issue, what is your reasoning? Just explain yourself Smickles. Nobody on this thread sought you out; you came here with your judgmental and self-righteous comments. The least you can do is put together a well-reasoned argument to defend your position.

As a country "develops" people lose freedom. If you travel a bit to third-world and developing countries you begin to see that government is intrinsically oppressive. The richer and more powerful a government gets the more rules it imposes and the less freedom people have. My business bridges the gap between the freedoms enjoyed in the developing world and the needs of people in the developed world. What you are actually protesting is freedom. You feel a personal affront because your government's power is threatened. Your government LOVES you. You are exactly what they want and need to maintain control and limit freedoms.

Ok, maybe I just came in at the wrong time. When I first looked at your thread I saw:

ROFLMAO and LOL s

stuff concerning anabolic steroids and Valium.

Quite frankly, after seeing those three things, you came off as a 'drug dealer' rather than a 'pharmacist' (if you get my dichotomy there). I felt unsettled after seen that stuff and wanted to express that.

Jeez, this is frustrating.

I prefer to get my drugs at a compounding pharmacist, so basically, yeah I often watch them manufacture my drugs.

No, you often watch a guy mix together things manufactured elsewhere...you aren't going to win this one.

I not only sell anabolic steroids but I recommend their use. If your body is not producing enough testosterone and you feel 20 years older than you should, I would love to sell some to you! I will also tell you the truth. I think you need to keep a close eye on your blood pressure before you start injecting yourself with testosterone. I think you need to get a lipid panel because testosterone can elevate your LDL and decrease your HDL levels. I think you should keep an eye on your hair, because in some patients testosterone will increase the rate at which male pattern baldness is manifested.

I will go further. I think if you have been working out in a gym religiously for a number of years, and you have excellent overall health and nutrition, you might benefit greatly from testosterone. You should be at least 25 years old though. Also you need to take this seriously and avoid all alcohol, get plenty of rest (8 hours is bare minimum) and eat very, very clean. You should eat a lot of lean protein and avoid added salt and sugar. You should get enough magnesium and fiber from green leafy vegetables, and good fats from avocados, nuts, and extra virgin olive oil.

Many people are confused about anabolic steroids. They don't know what they are or what they do, they just know that all they hear is BAD. But the medical establishment is not being honest. If you open a package of testoviron from Schering Plough in Germany (earlier pages in this thread have pictures) you will get a complete leaflet for the consumer. It tells you that this product will not enhance athletic performance. The PDR (physician's desk reference) says the same thing. What's wrong with this picture? Every major professional sport bans testosterone because it is cheating. I use it myself, and let me tell you- it is cheating! I have substantially more muscle mass and strength than I would without testosterone. My customers know this, and Ben Johnson and Marion Jones and Barry Bonds know that anabolic steroids work. So why all the lies? Why tell clearly transparent lies?

I do not understand modern medicine as practiced in developed nations. To me it seems like a shell game with the patient as the loser. I don't think that anyone needs a doctor for an antibiotic. In the developing world we go to the pharmacy and get what we need. I have a good friend who pays his own health insurance in the West and it is over $500 per month. He is male and under 50 years old with no health problems. I have had an MRI and surgery for this amount of money in the developing world. With medications I was near $600 total. What is wrong with this picture? When is it enough?

I not only sell anabolic steroids but I recommend their use. If your body is not producing enough testosterone and you feel 20 years older than you should, I would love to sell some to you! I will also tell you the truth. I think you need to keep a close eye on your blood pressure before you start injecting yourself with testosterone. I think you need to get a lipid panel because testosterone can elevate your LDL and decrease your HDL levels. I think you should keep an eye on your hair, because in some patients testosterone will increase the rate at which male pattern baldness is manifested.

I will go further. I think if you have been working out in a gym religiously for a number of years, and you have excellent overall health and nutrition, you might benefit greatly from testosterone. You should be at least 25 years old though. Also you need to take this seriously and avoid all alcohol, get plenty of rest (8 hours is bare minimum) and eat very, very clean. You should eat a lot of lean protein and avoid added salt and sugar. You should get enough magnesium and fiber from green leafy vegetables, and good fats from avocados, nuts, and extra virgin olive oil.

Many people are confused about anabolic steroids. They don't know what they are or what they do, they just know that all they hear is BAD. But the medical establishment is not being honest. If you open a package of testoviron from Schering Plough in Germany (earlier pages in this thread have pictures) you will get a complete leaflet for the consumer. It tells you that this product will not enhance athletic performance. The PDR (physician's desk reference) says the same thing. What's wrong with this picture? Every major professional sport bans testosterone because it is cheating. I use it myself, and let me tell you- it is cheating! I have substantially more muscle mass and strength than I would without testosterone. My customers know this, and Ben Johnson and Marion Jones and Barry Bonds know that anabolic steroids work. So why all the lies? Why tell clearly transparent lies?

I do not understand modern medicine as practiced in developed nations. To me it seems like a shell game with the patient as the loser. I don't think that anyone needs a doctor for an antibiotic. In the developing world we go to the pharmacy and get what we need. I have a good friend who pays his own health insurance in the West and it is over $500 per month. He is male and under 50 years old with no health problems. I have had an MRI and surgery for this amount of money in the developing world. With medications I was near $600 total. What is wrong with this picture? When is it enough?

There is a difference between a drug dealer and a pharmacist. Pharmacy has an independent code of ethics that actually has it's roots in Hellenistic Greece. That code of ethics is actually independent of any government.

I agree that medicine is in a sorry state in the 'developed world'. But the price difference is not likely to be solely attributed to current insurance practices. Prices of most goods and services vary based the location. I'm sure that a house in suburban, USA would be a couple orders of magnitude cheaper in many other countries. Why should it be any different for medicine?

There is a difference between a drug dealer and a pharmacist. Pharmacy has an independent code of ethics that actually has it's roots in Hellenistic Greece. That code of ethics is actually independent of any government.

I agree that medicine is in a sorry state in the 'developed world'. But the price difference is not likely to be solely attributed to current insurance practices. Prices of most goods and services vary based the location. I'm sure that a house in suburban, USA would be a couple orders of magnitude cheaper in many other countries. Why should it be any different for medicine?

As far as the assertion that my thread puts the forum at risk, I think you have to consider the amount of work that law enforcement would have to put into this versus the size/severity of the threat. Not unlike a corporation that tries to maximize their return on investment, law enforcement has to direct their efforts efficiently.

Some people have wildly exaggerated ideas of the effectiveness and will of law enforcement. When heroin and crack have overrun American cities, will the DEA really spend precious resources on a guy selling testosterone and diet pills over the internet? Surely if I was doing a massive volume I would become a target. But come on. I'm just not that important to anyone.

This thread has been up a long time. Of course if the moderators don't approve we all have to abide by their decisions. But as far as your scenario of shutting down the forum- that seems highly unlikely. If you look at domains seized by the government, most are torrent sites, gambling sites, and counterfeit goods. If you start seizing forums like this you run into really big problems with free speech protections.

I not only sell anabolic steroids but I recommend their use. If your body is not producing enough testosterone and you feel 20 years older than you should, I would love to sell some to you! I will also tell you the truth. I think you need to keep a close eye on your blood pressure before you start injecting yourself with testosterone. I think you need to get a lipid panel because testosterone can elevate your LDL and decrease your HDL levels. I think you should keep an eye on your hair, because in some patients testosterone will increase the rate at which male pattern baldness is manifested.

I will go further. I think if you have been working out in a gym religiously for a number of years, and you have excellent overall health and nutrition, you might benefit greatly from testosterone. You should be at least 25 years old though. Also you need to take this seriously and avoid all alcohol, get plenty of rest (8 hours is bare minimum) and eat very, very clean. You should eat a lot of lean protein and avoid added salt and sugar. You should get enough magnesium and fiber from green leafy vegetables, and good fats from avocados, nuts, and extra virgin olive oil.

Many people are confused about anabolic steroids. They don't know what they are or what they do, they just know that all they hear is BAD. But the medical establishment is not being honest. If you open a package of testoviron from Schering Plough in Germany (earlier pages in this thread have pictures) you will get a complete leaflet for the consumer. It tells you that this product will not enhance athletic performance. The PDR (physician's desk reference) says the same thing. What's wrong with this picture? Every major professional sport bans testosterone because it is cheating. I use it myself, and let me tell you- it is cheating! I have substantially more muscle mass and strength than I would without testosterone. My customers know this, and Ben Johnson and Marion Jones and Barry Bonds know that anabolic steroids work. So why all the lies? Why tell clearly transparent lies?

I do not understand modern medicine as practiced in developed nations. To me it seems like a shell game with the patient as the loser. I don't think that anyone needs a doctor for an antibiotic. In the developing world we go to the pharmacy and get what we need. I have a good friend who pays his own health insurance in the West and it is over $500 per month. He is male and under 50 years old with no health problems. I have had an MRI and surgery for this amount of money in the developing world. With medications I was near $600 total. What is wrong with this picture? When is it enough?

There is a difference between a drug dealer and a pharmacist. Pharmacy has an independent code of ethics that actually has it's roots in Hellenistic Greece. That code of ethics is actually independent of any government.

I agree that medicine is in a sorry state in the 'developed world'. But the price difference is not likely to be solely attributed to current insurance practices. Prices of most goods and services vary based the location. I'm sure that a house in suburban, USA would be a couple orders of magnitude cheaper in many other countries. Why should it be any different for medicine?

In America it's very common to find doctors betraying their Hippocratic oath.

That is a good point, nhodges. And it clarifies the point that I have tried to make: the system in the developed world is broken. Corporate profits come before patient health. As long as the politician's pockets are full of money from Big Pharma the system is doomed.

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