Hey fellow ferals. I've been looking around trying to find the dps difference between HoTW Vs DoC for the upcomming 5.4 patch but I seem to not be able to find any math being done between the two. So I turn here to see if anyone has actually done any testing.

And if Hotw comes out on top would it be good old wrath spam or just as passive for the agi?

Again, i'm not interested in the utility between the speccs as we all know Heart of the Wild is far better than DoC when it comes from a pure utility perspective. I'm just after the dps difference.

With a good SP weapon Wrath spam is about even with our normal dps out put so not really a solid choice. Hurricane as sated above is still beastly for sustained AOE.

Unless we see some changes HotW will be the only useful 90 talent for raiding. The minor sim'd damage difference between DoC HotW will not likely be sustainable in real raiding situations by humans. So we are left with HotW.

Tinderhoof wrote:With a good SP weapon Wrath spam is about even with our normal dps out put so not really a solid choice. Hurricane as sated above is still beastly for sustained AOE.

Unless we see some changes HotW will be the only useful 90 talent for raiding. The minor sim'd damage difference between DoC HotW will not likely be sustainable in real raiding situations by humans. So we are left with HotW.

Is that still with RoRo? Would it make sense to reforge in such a way that the caster weapon would proc haste?

Tinderhoof wrote:You mean Rune? Cause I don't what this stupid "RoRo" thing is. It really shouldn't be hard to make your caster weapon make Rune proc something that isn't Mastery.

Well, yes - it's a slightly styled acronym for Rune of Re-Origination. I know it's easy to set up, but I was referring to your post about HotW with wrath spam being close to even - is that with a trinket that's made to benefit wrath spam or a different one, like AoC.

I have support in Catus for Wrath and Hurricane use, I just haven't done much with it because by the time I got it implemented back in 5.1? it was already nerfed. I'll try to get these feature's enabled, so the Cleave encounter can use Hotwcane and the single-target encounter has the option of Wrath spamming. The "Weapon Swap" mini paper doll (below the main paperdoll) is what's used when/if you swap weapons. There's a Swap button, so it's easy to verify your stat balance after swapping.

raffy wrote:I have support in Catus for Wrath and Hurricane use, I just haven't done much with it because by the time I got it implemented back in 5.1? it was already nerfed. I'll try to get these feature's enabled, so the Cleave encounter can use Hotwcane and the single-target encounter has the option of Wrath spamming. The "Weapon Swap" mini paper doll (below the main paperdoll) is what's used when/if you swap weapons. There's a Swap button, so it's easy to verify your stat balance after swapping.

Any idea if the cleave trinket works off of single "ticks" from AoE spells like hurricane?

I just ran a series on the PTR and Multistrike seemed to work on Hurricane with a fairly decent proc chance. The Cleave trinket sadly only seemed to proc mangle and melee hits (didn't get procs for wrath either but might have had a fairly small sample).

To be honest, the active portion of Heart of the Wild hasn't had a serious damage analysis in a while aside from "Hurricane is good". One more thing on the pile to sort out before the patch comes out I guess! Although it sounds like raffy has a handle on things.

Lyones wrote:DoC is a minor (3%) dps increase over HotW in Perfect Conditions according with the last theorycraft.

Don't overstress the "perfect conditions" part. The SimC results are "done" by a computer yes, but it's programmed to have below average reaction times and other measures to put out realistic results. Realistically it's not that hard for a human to pull more DPS with DoC than HotW if they understand what they're doing.

I'd say, for people that aren't really a fan of DoC you can pick HotW and call it a day. If you enjoy DoC then you have to make a choice between the two weighing the value of the utility to the raid vs your enjoyment of the encounter and some small amount of DPS, and in some cases you may want to pick HotW regardless because of Hurricane. Hardcore raiders will lean towards HotW but if you're casual or semi-hardcore then you can play whichever.