There were several with multiple first round picks in consecutive seasons, too.

Some of these teams traded up to get another first rounder (like the Saints in 2011 and the Vikings in 2013) and some of these teams traded guys for the picks (Minnesota traded Harvin for Seattle's first rounder in 2013). I'm not sure how many traded prior year's first round picks for future firsts.

Some of these teams traded up to get another first rounder (like the Saints in 2011 and the Vikings in 2013) and some of these teams traded guys for the picks (Minnesota traded Harvin for Seattle's first rounder in 2012). I'm not sure how many traded prior year's first round picks for future firsts.

I don't know either, but I know it has been done.
Or just accumulate two or three future picks (2nd and 3rd).
We should have some comp picks next year, may be as high as the third.
We've seen the Vikings use their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th to get a low first.
We can do something similar, adding our own first, to move up higher.

I would take a little less than what Belichik can pull off.
If that deal was there, the potential for a similar deal of slightly less value is not fantasy.

Who knows?

I think the Vikings were going to wait until Hopkins or Patterson was off the board. Once one of them was selected, then they were going to try to swoop in & get the other. Had we drafted another position, for instance, Minnesota wouldn't have been looking to trade with New England. Had New England selected Hopkins or Patterson, then Minnesota would have tried to get in to get the other.

I think the Vikings were going to wait until Hopkins or Patterson was off the board. Once one of them was selected, then they were going to try to swoop in & get the other. Had we drafted another position, for instance, Minnesota wouldn't have been looking to trade with New England. Had New England selected Hopkins or Patterson, then Minnesota would have tried to get in to get the other.

Your post is a little confusing about the Vikings' intention.

It's beside the point though; all I was saying is that a trade was a possibility.
Whether they had time to consummate the trade or whether the timing wasn't right are different issues.

It's beside the point though; all I was saying is that a trade was a possibility.
Whether they had time to consummate the trade or whether the timing wasn't right are different issues.

There was a team willing to trade up; it's a fact.

No, we have no idea. Had we not selected a WR, the Vikings may not have made the trade with the Patriots.

If the Patriots took one of the two, then the Vikings would be looking to get the other.

Had the Patriots not took one of the two (Hopkins, Patterson) the Vikings would have still been waiting.

The idea is that they wanted one of those two WRs, as long as they were both on the board, they were going to watch & let them fall. As soon as one came off, they were going to get the other.

Had the team ahead of us took Patterson, then I'm sure the Vikings would have been calling us for Hopkins. Or if Hopkins were off the board, the Vikings would have traded with us to get Patterson & we would have gladly taken a shoot at Woods later in the draft.

No, we have no idea. Had we not selected a WR, the Vikings may not have made the trade with the Patriots.

If the Patriots took one of the two, then the Vikings would be looking to get the other.

Had the Patriots not took one of the two (Hopkins, Patterson) the Vikings would have still been waiting.

The idea is that they wanted one of those two WRs, as long as they were both on the board, they were going to watch & let them fall. As soon as one came off, they were going to get the other.

Had the team ahead of us took Patterson, then I'm sure the Vikings would have been calling us for Hopkins. Or if Hopkins were off the board, the Vikings would have traded with us to get Patterson & we would have gladly taken a shoot at Woods later in the draft.

What's with the thinking "we have identified our guy"?

Now it's "either/or".

Even with "either/or", wouldn't it be better for them to offer us the same deal so they can have their choice?

You're suggesting that we pass on the bird in the hand & drop out of the first round all together. There were several teams that many thought would have taken a WR before us. Just from the little bit I saw & read, I was shocked Patterson was still there.

& like I said, if Patterson would have gone at 24, the Vikings would have used 25 to pick Hopkins & tried to trade back into the first for Xavier Rhodes later.

The one thing that has to be painfully obvious is that every team has their own list of players. And they have those players graded for where they think they should go AND where they think they might go.

You look at this class of receivers and don't see a 1st round talent (and you define a 1st round as a receiver that will develop into a #1.) And that's fine. That's your opinion.

But it's not an opinion shared by the Texans, Rams, and Vikings.

According to your board and your analysis, we would have been better trading back, getting more picks, and then looking for a #1 receiver to replace AJ next season.

What I think you're doing, though, is you're slipping into a Mel Kiper mind-set. You're married to your board, your analysis, and your draft strategy to the point that you're not seeing that other approaches and other analyses and other boards are just as valid. You've spent a lot of time and energy looking at game film on these guys and you think they made a mistake.

That's what draft grades are for. Offering your opinion on how good or bad the team did based on what YOU perceive as the value of the picks and the holes in the team.

The one thing that has to be painfully obvious is that every team has their own list of players. And they have those players graded for where they think they should go AND where they think they might go.

You look at this class of receivers and don't see a 1st round talent (and you define a 1st round as a receiver that will develop into a #1.) And that's fine. That's your opinion.

But it's not an opinion shared by the Texans, Rams, and Vikings.

According to your board and your analysis, we would have been better trading back, getting more picks, and then looking for a #1 receiver to replace AJ next season.

What I think you're doing, though, is you're slipping into a Mel Kiper mind-set. You're married to your board, your analysis, and your draft strategy to the point that you're not seeing that other approaches and other analyses and other boards are just as valid. You've spent a lot of time and energy looking at game film on these guys and you think they made a mistake.

That's what draft grades are for. Offering your opinion on how good or bad the team did based on what YOU perceive as the value of the picks and the holes in the team.

But. Ultimately. Just an opinion.

I've already agreed to it all.
Actually, I've already agreed with it all even before I started posting in this thread.

You're suggesting that we pass on the bird in the hand & drop out of the first round all together. There were several teams that many thought would have taken a WR before us. Just from the little bit I saw & read, I was shocked Patterson was still there.

& like I said, if Patterson would have gone at 24, the Vikings would have used 25 to pick Hopkins & tried to trade back into the first for Xavier Rhodes later.

What it looks like is that the Vikings had Shariff Flloyd and Xavier Rhodes way ahead of any receiver left on board at the time they took their first pick.
That was why they took those two, right?

Then they traded up to grab a receiver (Patterson), that's a fact right?

Who do you think they have higher on their board?
Hopkins or Patterson?

Let's say they have Patterson (and Hopkins might be the third, the fourth or fifth receiver on their board, whatever.)

I believe if the Vikings were concerned the Texans would take Patterson, they would have tried to trade ahead of the Texans & the Texans were most likely never looked at as a trade partner, which brings us back to the beginning....

Just because they traded for the 29th pick does not mean they were interested in the 27th pick.

I don't understand why the quality of a player not in this year's draft makes a difference in where / if players in this draft should be picked. I don't think picking Hopkins is a mistake because someone not in the draft is better. Unless, again, the Texans should suspend football operations until Watkins is available which seems to be where 76 is going:

It doesn't matter at all for Hopkins, your right. I was just defending Watkins. Both are great players.

It doesn't matter at all for Hopkins, your right. I was just defending Watkins. Both are great players.

Conversely, when some of us were stating that Hopkins outperformed Watkins there was not hating of Watkins going on....just realization that a more "talented" Wr did not perform to his established standard and less a physically gifted WR made the most of his football skill in a particular season.

and yes whether or not Watkins is better than Hopkins really does not hae anything to do with Hopkins being a useful if not more Houston Texan.

__________________It doesn't just seem like I was talking down to people, I was. (Runner 8/4/09).

Conversely, when some of us were stating that Hopkins outperformed Watkins there was not hating of Watkins going on....just realization that a more "talented" Wr did not perform to his established standard and less a physically gifted WR made the most of his football skill in a particular season

and yes whether or not Watkins is better than Hopkins really does not hae anything to do with Hopkins being a useful if not more Houston Texan.

100% agree, but I do feel there is more that contributed than was originally stated.

I just think with the depth at wr in this draft, I feel like the texans should've really been trying to trade out and attack the 2,3,4 rds of the draft. Patton,Dobson,williams,hunter,and wheaton have equal talent to hopkins. All those guys, except hunter was availiable owith the texans 2nd rd pick. I think they could've come out of the draft with a more explosive wr than hopkins later.