The question is how did human reproduction evolve? Were humans asexual in the beginning?
Or did the first males to evolve complex reproductive organs, keep dying off until they found an evolved female with the opposite complex female reproductive organs. Then they had to evolve a desire to mate with them and begin another incredible complex birth process. After a child is born the parents of that child had to evolve an unexplained desire to care for a screaming child that messes itself constantly from both ends. It's a good thing that the first test couple evolved feelings of love for the child and saw it as cute and in need of protection.
I think I get it now, we evolved from apes and they had already got together and evolved solutions to these problems. As had all other living creatures on this planet.
This all happened by chance over millions of years and is unprovable and unable to be tested. Why when whales wash up on the shore do we try to drag them back to the sea? If they could speak like Flipper can, they would probably be trying to say, we want to evolve legs and come back on to the land.
Richard Dawkins often mocks people who dare to believe in a creator. Also David Attenborough makes amazing programs about nature which he ruins by attributing incredable design and complexity to evolution. I suppose the fear mankind has is if they acknowledge a creator exists, then they might have to give account to him.

Life is a Camera, and that Camera is Photo-Synthesis, from which everything develops, without it nothing would exist, could not exist in aether, that aether is on the whole of hermaphroditic origins as we find all over nature unto this day, an ability to exist without another.

Monsanto are trying to deny what is El-natural.

Now lets look at the science behind this most beautiful and natural of things, not the internet of things, but the trawler that is currently pulling and pushing the Net, Ten a zero and a one, a beginning and an end number.

A Camera is another term for an Arch, A Royal Arch to be precise, one that begins on the 21st March and ends again on the 23rd September, others call it the ecliptic, when the full power of that light begins its 187 days above the known equator, the whole of nature awaits its return which begins on 21st December and comes into vouge on the 21st March and 23 September in the (Southern Hemisphere).

The big clue is all of this is the saying, let there be light, and what are candlesticks but fixed lights or energy sources, and what are fixed light but stars, sources that modern astronomers are now witnessing being born every day within the cosmos surrounded by planets or spheres.

So who or what is doing this, is it suns calling out to suns in lucid "Orbs Conspire" or is it yet another conspiracy as all religious dogma is, and that means all of them who deny creation as it is happening.

Mores the question, why should we even bother or worry about it, but enjoy the bounty that the true light brings to all good and evil, season upon season, enjoy it for what it is, that which we can all see, and let it be an end to all religious dogma, and that means to the very fool who thinks they have an answer, when clearly they do not.

I choose to live in wonder of what it can brings and to be kind to all and their property, nothing else really matters unless one is making a living from this tom foolery using words and wares not of their own volition.

We might live every day and as creators of what we need as an individual and harvest not anothers bounty of mind, but the energy given freely to all under its gaze, because all the tricks to how this science works has now been recognized and those with such knowledge can now live freely under its au-species, not to do so truly shows ones own insecurities and con-fusion.

I am as I am, ( I save in the manner I save) is Gods name Apprentice not yours . You say you have explained yourself over and over again. Unfortunately for me it seems I am too thick to understand, what you are on about.
As far as you verses God that battle reminds me of the movie Forrest Gump again, the scene were Lt Dan is on top of the yachts mast, during a storm daring God to kill him. God didn't kill him because like you Apprentice he wants save peoples souls. You still have time to turn to God before Jesus returns and God takes back control the earth from Satan. If not it will be run Apprentice run.
*[[2Pe 3:13]] KJV* Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
*[[2Pe 3:14]] KJV* Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
*[[2Pe 3:15]] KJV* And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
*[[2Pe 3:16]] KJV* As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

You don't continue through your children, we will all stand individually before the Judgement seat.
*[[Rom 1:20]] KJV* For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
*[[Rom 1:22]] KJV* Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
*[[Rom 1:25]] KJV* Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

(06-12-2018, 10:36 PM)Greg D Wrote: I am as I am, ( I save in the manner I save) is Gods name Apprentice not yours . You say you have explained yourself over and over again. Unfortunately for me it seems I am too thick to understand, what you are on about.
As far as you verses God that battle reminds me of the movie Forrest Gump again, the scene were Lt Dan is on top of the yachts mast, during a storm daring God to kill him. God didn't kill him because like you Apprentice he wants save peoples souls. You still have time to turn to God before Jesus returns and God takes back control the earth from Satan. If not it will be run Apprentice run.
*[[2Pe 3:13]] KJV* Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
*[[2Pe 3:14]] KJV* Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
*[[2Pe 3:15]] KJV* And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
*[[2Pe 3:16]] KJV* As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

You don't continue through your children, we will all stand individually before the Judgement seat.
*[[Rom 1:20]] KJV* For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
*[[Rom 1:22]] KJV* Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
*[[Rom 1:25]] KJV* Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

I am not like you Greg, these words do not frighten me in the slightest as they are designed to do and never have.

You stick precisely to these words and cannot see even though you look and do not hear even when others speak clearly, and you have not once recognized how Astrology actually shows you the mechanics behind our well being, nothing else is needed.

The godhead in plain English, is the master Mason himself.

INRI

Iumi, Nour, Rouach, Iebeschal

The four ellements that were slowly changed to a living flesh man from the Ammonian Radicals of, "Fire, Air, Earth and Water", it is all recorded if you know where to look, but you need to be able to see as well as read the false prophets words which you clearly do not understand.

That sailing vessle that you imaginary person in the film was aloft its phalus, I can make another to sail off into the sunset and be home and dry on a wet and windy night can you?, Here you still fail to see the message within that clip, your at sea level, the characters head is the heavens at that time, a wave the mountain top although be it temporary.

You head is so full of parables you will never be able to understand who you truly are because of the spoken word not of your own volition, Mr and Mrs Wood Pidgeon in the garden of Eden are looking down upon you with great big smiles and follow nor connect to any such god, nature is Eden Greg, here on Earth and nowhere else, unless you have a time machine and know where another Eden is right now, hopefully you will get there, but please do not try to frighten the nature loving and mostly happy inhabitants there too with such words.

If your going to try and use the god seed upon me then please do not bother, just like the indiginous tribes who thought such an idea an abomination and why they were routed too.

I advise you study those indiginous peoples because their wisdom knocks the socks off of the bible and why they were to be erradcated by the preditors called true christians, which you are carrying forward Greg with vigour and threats of damnation by another, do your own dirty work and cease hiding behind the myth.

By now you can clearly see that my persona wants to be free of all wicked dogma, even though you think it is real and will at all cost fight you and or any god to remain so.

This thread Apprentice is about the foolishness of the theory of evolution. I am not sure why you take my threads personally, I present God as an alternative of how we got here, if you don't believe that it is your choice.
I am a Christian, not some Jesuit crusader or religious zealot. All that Freemason rubbish has nothing to do with me. My faith is in God not in Masonic rituals or some earth, wind and fire 70s disco band.
You obviously don't believe in what have to say but perhaps somebody else does. The stars are about Jesus first coming, his death, the Holy Spirit outpouring and his second coming by the way. The Godhead is a Spiritual entity I would be wary of insulting it.

(06-13-2018, 09:46 AM)Greg D Wrote: This thread Apprentice is about the foolishness of the theory of evolution. I am not sure why you take my threads personally, I present God as an alternative of how we got here, if you don't believe that it is your choice.
I am a Christian, not some Jesuit crusader or religious zealot. All that Freemason rubbish has nothing to do with me. My faith is in God not in Masonic rituals or some earth, wind and fire 70s disco band.
You obviously don't believe what have to say but perhaps somebody else does. The stars are about Jesus first coming, his death, the Holy Spirit outpouring and his second coming by the way. The Godhead is a Spiritual entity I would be wary of insulting it.

And like the dogmatic godly fanatic you once again take exception to my alternative and explanation and science which is visible for all to see, your reaction was to be expected.

My time line and physical journey surpasses the bible by thousands if not millions of years, so does nature before it and we climbed out of the slime, where faith was a mere fart in the wind of evoltion.

Don't get so upset because I don't believe, it does not suit your former reality and one I think that you are hiding from, and I hope you do what you do without profit, because your supposed jesus certainly never asked for any rewards, so what makes you think your going to be entitled to any because you think so.

I would say you are on a crusade, as the former lions of such faith were thinking that they were right, which is a foolish notion in the scheme of things, and one that has laid waste to those who chose not to go with the biblical flow and Tom foolery, which is what I think it is.

Some may believe your preaching but not myself, I don't answer for anyone else or look for their backing, nor wish yourself or anyones else harm or ridicule, just a peaceful non believing life, not to be labelled by yours greed for conversion to your god.

Like I said earlier, lets wait and see what happens, because your tithe barn will certainly never claim any of my produce or labour for you to scoff at.

The question I keep asking you and your many replies, is what was here first and what started this amazing planet. If it just happened in all it's complex design, then you must believe there was nothing first, and bang, here we are. Every creature with it's amazing abilities and diversity.
Consider the thousands of swallows flying in amazing formation over the city of Rome. Scientific studies tell us they take their lead from the 7 birds situated around them, thats how they move in unison, and split down the middle to avoid a driving hawk. You must believe they worked that out over millions of years of evolution.
I don't, because 7 is the Bible numeric number for Gods seal. Human beings have an incredible brain and complex emotions, along with the amazing body that carrys it around.
Yes the Godhead pre dates the Bible. The Bible though is the Creator's account of his creation. Why is this discussion about money again, when I have told you already I don't take any money from what I do for God. I just know who to give thanks to for the world and universe I live in. Once again I reiterate, God is science, God is nature, God is physics.

(06-13-2018, 09:57 PM)Greg D Wrote: The question I keep asking you and your many replies, is what was here first and what started this amazing planet. If it just happened in all it's complex design, then you must believe there was nothing first, and bang, here we are. Every creature with it's amazing abilities and diversity.

Consider the thousands of swallows flying in amazing formation over the city of Rome. Scientific studies tell us they take their lead from the 7 birds situated around them, thats how they move in unison, and split down the middle to avoid a driving hawk.

You must believe they worked that out over millions of years of evolution.
I don't, because 7 is the Bible numeric number for Gods seal. Human beings have an incredible brain and complex emotions, along with the amazing body that carrys it around.

Yes the Godhead pre dates the Bible. The Bible though is the Creator's account of his creation. Why is this discussion about money again, when I have told you already I don't take any money from what I do for God. I just know who to give thanks to for the world and universe I live in. Once again I reiterate, God is science, God is nature, God is physics.

I'm sorry but I cannot give an affirmative answer to where we all came from, nor do I think it really matters, However! I can share what I have seen by observing nature first hand; regardless of where it originated, I deal with the here and the now and what may come in the future if we remain chalked to whore of Babylon and all such ideas of salvation, we need to be our own salvation, to me this makes the greatest sense and challenge.

I say everything is the wrong way around and it is humans that followed, watched and learned from nature, not the other way around, and if you use this process you can clearly see where mans ideas grew and came from, in the book "The Golden Bough" by Frazer it clearly explains in great detail how Totism was where the early forms of religion were instituted, namely "sympathetic nature and magic of nature" this pass time was the first rungs upon the human ladder and food larder of survival, this was not a religion but a way of doing things alongside nature, it has to be otherwise would would never have learned nor survived as nature does, and does so without Mans laws, Money or Isms.

What matters is not that we obey any religious rules or mans books, but what we can do to help each other and what we do to each other and what we create using our pure intellect for the betterment of our community and whole, this is the ultimate neighbourly love in one package, but we simply forgot how to live together.

The words right at the end of this film are quite touching in many ways and could be so much more without the dogma, which true nature does not understand nor follow.

On the fact about survival, those swifts, they all have eyes that can see and work together for their own protection from the hawks amongst them, human believers have no visuals only words that are not very rosey to me and for me this song says it all.