Pop legend Barry Manilow spoke with Morning Edition host David Greene about the Great American Songbook, Broadway and "Mandy." Hear the radio version at the audio link and read more of their conversation below.

DAVID GREENE: So, you've recorded three Christmas albums over the years.

BARRY MANILOW: I have. For a Jewish guy, I've recorded a lot of Christmas albums.

GREENE: What got a Jewish guy into recording Christmas albums?

MANILOW: First of all — I love the time of the season. It's the only time of the year that everyone stops hollering at each other, so that's one thing. And everybody thinks about giving and receiving, and I love the whole feel of this time of the year.

But, musically, the reason I love these Christmas songs is that these songs, most of the standard Christmas songs, were written during the era that we call the Great American Songbook. These songs were written by composers and lyricists who knew how to write a song. They knew how to write a melody, they knew how to write a lyric, and we don't do that anymore these days. I am a big fan of the Great American Songbook, with people like Irving Berlin and George Gershwin and the rest.

You find that kind of songwriting in the catalog of Christmas music, and I so love that, and I love arranging and producing songs like that. I was born too late, I was. So whenever I get an opportunity to do a Christmas album, I jump at it, because you know, recording Irving Berlin's "Happy Holiday" or "White Christmas" or "I've Got My Love To Keep Me Warm" — these are beautifully written songs, and I just love diving into them.

GREENE: You don't think, in general, that a lot of musicians know how to write songs these days?

MANILOW: No, and it's very sad to listen to the pop radio, because writing a melody and a lyric is gone out the window. What we hear now is great-sounding records with great-sounding grooves and loops. And the sound of these records is irresistible, but the craft of songwriting is just about over. That's why, whenever I get an opportunity to do an album full of standards, I jump at it because I miss it.

GREENE: What defines a classic Barry Manilow song?

MANILOW: Well, it needs to have — as a musician, you'd think I would say it's gotta have a great melody. And it does. But as a performer, it really needs to have a lyric that I can crawl into.

And I think that's the difference between what I do and what a lot of other people do: I tell the story of the lyric. You know, when I did American Idol the three times, I tried to tell these kids you have to tell the story of the lyric. Otherwise, closing your eyes and trying to show us how many notes you can fit into a bar, no one's gonna feel — no one's gonna care about it. But, if you tell the story of a lyric, then I think you've got a chance of connecting with an audience.

So, I think that's the difference between the kind of songs that I've been doing all of my career. I listen to the lyric of "Mandy," I try to put myself in that situation, and then I sing the song.

GREENE: Can I confess something to you?

MANILOW: Oh, all right.

GREENE: "Mandy" is my go-to karaoke song.

MANILOW: Oh, I can't wait to hear that. Do you try to hit the high F at the end — "And I neeeeeed yooooooooou"? Do you do that?

GREENE: I do, and I kind of squeal a bit — "And I neeeeeeeed yooooooou."

MANILOW: Oh, I see, you go into your falsetto. Very good, very smart.

GREENE: Does that work?

MANILOW: Yeah, sure.

GREENE: I've read a — you've made me speechless by critiquing my version of "Mandy." I don't know what to do with myself.

I read an interview with you from The Guardian newspaper earlier this year, and there was a quote that stuck out to me. You said, talking about your routine when you're on the road: "I'm in a hotel room, sold out at Radio City, private plane, 30 years of hotel rooms by yourself." What keeps you going?

MANILOW: What keeps me going? I love music. I love any opportunity I have to make music. You know, people ask me, "What do you do to relax?" and I'm so boring, because I go up to my studio and I create. I'm a creator.

GREENE: That doesn't sound boring.

MANILOW: Well, maybe to other people it might. They might expect me to say I go play golf. I don't do that. My passion — and I found it as a young man, and I was very fortunate to find my passion at a young age. I knew that that's what I wanted to do with my life, and that's what I do. That's what I do. I love working with my band; I love working with musicians. I tell you something, the part that I like the least is the performing part.

GREENE: Really?

MANILOW: Yeah. You know, that's the job. And I've learned how to do it, because I never started off wanting to be a performer. I always wanted to just be a musician or a songwriter or an arranger. That performing opportunity came out of the blue, and as a big surprise. I was terrified for so many of the early years, and I didn't know what I was doing on that stage. Over the years, I've learned how to do it, and I've embraced it, and I've learned how to to love it. But pin me to the wall, and I would be happy playing in a band.

GREENE: Do you still enjoy the performing, though, when you're out there, or is it really just a job?

MANILOW: I do. I'll tell you what changed for me: I found gratitude. About 15 years ago I found the gratitude in this, an unbelievable career. And that makes everything different for me. I'm a very grateful man that there's still an audience out there that is interested in hearing what I have to say. So really, I look forward to the performances. But in the beginning it was so confusing. I really didn't know why they were applauding.

GREENE: You're still here, and you're returning to Broadway next month, as I understand, for the first time in maybe two decades.

MANILOW: Yes, how 'bout that? I just wanted to do it one more time before I croak; I wanted to play a Broadway theater one more time. I come from New York, and before the performing and record career hit, I was in the pit. I was in the pits of all the Broadway theaters.

I was the piano player. I played for every singer's audition. I was either on the stage playing the piano for them, or in the pit playing the piano for shows, and I know that world so well. I'm looking forward to walking into the stage door every night of this Broadway theater called the St. James, and then walking out of the stage door and going to Joe Allen's — a theatrical restaurant that everybody goes to after their shows — and being in New York, in the theater world of New York, because that's where I began.

GREENE:And before you croak — I don't want to use that word, but you did — what else is on the Barry Manilow bucket list beyond Broadway?

MANILOW: There's one more thing that I'm really hoping I can do this year. There's a Broadway musical — speaking of Broadway musicals — that I've written over the years. We've been trying to get it up on the stage and we have; we've been pretty lucky now and again. But every time we try to get it into New York, there's always something that goes wrong. And this year, it looks good. We're going out in a regional theater somewhere at the end of the year. It's called Harmony, and it's the best writing I've ever done in my entire career. So that's the one more thing that I need to do, and hopefully it'll happen this year.

GREENE:Before I let you go, you wouldn't fulfill my bucket list and sing a bar or two of "Mandy" with me, would you?

MANILOW:With you?

[They play "Mandy"]

Well, you're in tune!

GREENE:Wow, that's a good thing! You're very generous.

MANILOW: That was great!

GREENE:Thanks. You were great too, Mr. Manilow.

MANILOW: Thanks. Call me Barry.

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Transcript

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

Barry Manilow says it's hard for him to listen to pop music these days.

BARRY MANILOW: What we hear now is great-sounding records, with great-sounding grooves and loops. And the sound of these - records are irresistible, but the craft of songwriting is just about over.

GREENE: Still, pretty much everyone knows at least some of the words to Manilow's songs - like this one.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "CAN'T SMILE WITHOUT YOU")

MANILOW: (Singing) You know I can't smile without you. I can't smile without you...

GREENE: And who can forget this woman?

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "COPACABANA")

MANILOW: (Singing) Her name was Lola. She was a showgirl with yellow feathers in her hair, and her dress cut down to there. She would ...

GREENE: Think what you will about Barry Manilow and his music - he's been at it for four decades. We called him up to chat about holiday music. He recently released "The Classic Christmas Album"; we'll hear about that next week. Let's begin today with a related question.

What defines a classic Barry Manilow song?

MANILOW: You know, as a musician, you would think I would say, it's got to have a great melody. And it does. But as a performer, it really needs to have a lyric that I can crawl into. You know, when I did "American Idol," I tried to tell these kids: You have to tell the story of the lyric.

Otherwise, closing your eyes and trying to show us how many notes you can fit into a bar - no one's going to care about it. But if you tell the story of a lyric, then I think you've got a chance of connecting with an audience. I think that's the difference between the kind of songs that I've been doing all of my career - I listen to the lyric of "Mandy"; I try to put myself in that situation; and then I sing the song.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MANDY")

MANILOW: (Singing) I remember all my life, raining down as cold as ice. Shadows of a man, a face through a window, crying in the night; the night goes in to morning, just another day...

GREENE: Can I confess something to you?

MANILOW: Oh, all right.

GREENE: "Mandy" is my go-to karaoke song. (LAUGHTER)

MANILOW: I can't wait to hear that. (LAUGHTER) Do you try to hit the high F, at the end? (Singing) And I need you. Do you do that?

GREENE: I do. I kind of squeal a bit. (Singing) And I need you.

MANILOW: Oh, I see.

GREENE: I go falsetto a little bit.

MANILOW: You go into your falsetto. Ah, very good.

GREENE: Does that work?

MANILOW: Very smart. Yeah, sure.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MANDY")

MANILOW: (Singing) And I need you.

GREENE: You've made me speechless, by critiquing my version of "Mandy." I don't know what to do with myself.

(LAUGHTER)

GREENE: You know, I read an interview with you - from The Guardian newspaper, earlier this year. And there was a quote that stuck out, to me. You said - talking about your routine, when you're on the road - I'm in a hotel room, sold out at Radio City, private plane, 30 years of hotel rooms - by yourself. I mean, what keeps you going?

MANILOW: I love music. I love any opportunity I have to make music. You know, people ask me: What do you do, to relax? And I am so boring because I go up to my studio, and I create.

GREENE: Doesn't sound boring.

MANILOW: Well, maybe to other people, it might. You know, they might expect me to say, I go play golf or ...

GREENE: (LAUGHTER)

MANILOW: I don't. I don't do that. I love working with my band. I love working with musicians. I tell you something - the part that I like the least, is the performing part because I never started off wanting to be a performer. I always wanted to just be a musician or a songwriter, or an arranger. And that performing opportunity came out of the blue, and a big surprise. And I was terrified for so many of the early years, and I didn't know what I was doing on that stage. And over the years, I've really - I've learned how to do it, and I've embraced it. And I've learned how to love it. But pin me to the wall, and I would be happy playing in a band.

GREENE: Do you still enjoy the performing, though, when you're out there, or...

MANILOW: I do.

GREENE: ...really, it's just a job?

MANILOW: I do. I'll tell you what changed, for me. I found gratitude. I am a very grateful man that there's still an audience out there, that is interested in hearing what I have to say. And so I really - I look forward to the performances. But in the beginning, it was so confusing. I really didn't know why they were applauding.

(LAUGHTER)

GREENE: Well, can you help us define Barry Manilow? I mean, you have this huge, huge fan base, as you mentioned; sold millions of albums. And then there's some people who can hear the name Barry Manilow; and they kind of role their eyes a little bit, and try to define you in their own way.

MANILOW: Less and less, by the way. Thank goodness. They're probably saying, oh, all right, already. Leave him alone. But in the beginning, yeah, there were a lot of people who just didn't like what I was doing. But, you know, the public was always on my side. They've always been on my side. So, you know, I'm still here.

GREENE: You're still here; and you're returning to Broadway next month, as I understand - for the first time in maybe, like, two decades.

MANILOW: Yes, how about that? I just wanted to do it one more time before I croak; I wanted to play...

(LAUGHTER)

MANILOW: I wanted to play a Broadway theater one more time. I come from New York; and before the performing and record career hit, I was in the pit - in the pits of all the Broadway theaters. I was the piano player. I played for every singer's audition. You know, I know that world so well. That - what I'm looking forward to, I'll tell you - isn't this strange? - I'm looking forward to walking into the stage door every night, and then walking out of the stage door and going to Joe Allen's; and being in New York, in the theater world of New York, because that's where I began. So that's what I'm looking forward to, the most.

GREENE: And Joe Allen's, for those who don't know New York that well...

MANILOW: It's a theatrical restaurant that everybody goes to, after their shows.

GREENE: Before I let you go, you wouldn't fulfill my bucket list and sing a bar or two of "Mandy" with me - would you?

MANILOW: With you?

GREENE: Yeah.

MANILOW: God, I wish I could put this microphone down here. Wait a minute - your technician is going to hate me. Hold on a second.

(SOUNDBITE OF MICROPHONE BEING SET DOWN)

MANILOW: Can you still hear me?

GREENE: I can still hear you.

MANILOW: OK.

(SOUNDBITE OF MANILOW PLAYING PIANO CHORDS)

GREENE: Oh, my goodness. (LAUGHTER)

MANILOW: OK, ready? (Singing) Oh, Mandy...

GREENE: (Singing with Manilow) And you came and you gave without taking. But I sent you away, oh, Mandy.

MANILOW: Well, you're in tune.

GREENE: You're very generous.

(LAUGHTER)

GREENE: Wow.

MANILOW: That was great.

GREENE: Thanks. You were great too, Mr. Manilow.

MANILOW: (LAUGHTER) Call me Barry.

GREENE: Barry Manilow, this has been quite a pleasure. Thanks so much.

MANILOW: Thank you. This has been a great, great honor for me. Thanks a lot for asking.

GREENE: Barry Manilow - he performs on Broadway, starting next month. His latest record is "The Classic Christmas Album." We'll hear from that album, and other holiday music, in the days ahead. This is MORNING EDITION, from NPR News. I'm David Greene.

RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:

And I'm Renee Montagne.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MANDY")

MANILOW: (Singing) ...and nothing is rhyming. Oh, Mandy. Well, you came and you gave without taking. But I sent you away. Oh, Mandy. Well, you kissed me and stopped me... Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.