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No one. God was the first and only thing before he created The heavens, universe and earth.

No human described 'God' created the universe, especially if we're talking about the Christian God since his attributes and qualities are most widely known and contradictory. If God is all-knowing and all-powerful and has an infinite existence, why did he decide to create the universe only 13.5 billion years ago? It should have always existed. What held him back? If something held him back, he's limiting his omnipotence. If he's existed for eternity and is all-knowing, he's known for eternity that he was going to create the universe, so therefore the universe should have existed for all eternity aswell, but this is illogical because it would mean he couldn't have created it. It would have always been there. So either God hasn't existed for eternity, both God and the universe have an infinite existence and both weren't created or God doesn't exist and the universe is finite and was created by itself.

He created them. That's just it. God is the most powerful thing ever.

Created them for what purpose? God would have no reason or need to create anything.

God gave us knowledge and blood. Try reading Genesis the first book of the Bible.

'God' never gave anyone knowledge. Our knowledge has been obtained through experimentation and observation.

But it would be. If the universe was created at the same instant God existed (ie; for all eternity), then it would also be eternal, but then couldn't have been created, thus causing that contradiction. Don't know how much simpler I can put this.

Like I said, He doesn't need one. He just did, and that's all there is to it.

God (the Mod) Is abosolutely right in this instance. The Bible doesn't really say God is omniscient and omnipresent. (AT LEAST not in the Old Testament) Just like it never really says that the Big G is good. I'm a Christian and all, but I find it hard to believe that God the Father is All Good. The purely good award goes to his Son/Other Part Jesus H. Christ. God the Father, if you read the Bible at all, is vengeful, spiteful and petty. Read Job.... he suffers a great deal. In the end, yes he's made into a better person, he gained a good deal more humility, but the whole thing was basically God showing off and putting Satan in his place. Yes I love God, but I would be VERY hesitant to call him entirely Benevolent.

But yeah almighty/all-mighty doesn't necissarily mean onmipotent/present. More or less used as buzz words to mean extremely powerful. Being all-mighty isn't the same as being all-seeing and all-knowing.

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If God is all-knowing and all-powerful and has an infinite existence, why did he decide to create the universe only 13.5 billion years ago?

My theory is that he created the earth 6 thousand years ago, not 13.5 billion. I don't know where you come up with those numbers.

It should have always existed. What held him back? If something held him back, he's limiting his omnipotence. If he's existed for eternity and is all-knowing, he's known for eternity that he was going to create the universe, so therefore the universe should have existed for all eternity aswell, but this is illogical because it would mean he couldn't have created it. It would have always been there. So either God hasn't existed for eternity, both God and the universe have an infinite existence and both weren't created or God doesn't exist and the universe is finite and was created by itself

God is outside of time. He created time with all other things. The mind cannot concieve what exactly or how exactly eternity is. God just 'is'.

Created them for what purpose? God would have no reason or need to create anything.[/quote] God created because he loves. He wants to love even though we are imperfect.

See, at least Tim gives some logic and proof to back up his claims, whether or not I disagree with them. People like Ghost that cite nothing and give no proof in the slightest to their beliefs annoy me, because they seem like massive sheep.

At the risk of making myself seem like an even bigger heretic, I'm gonna have to disagree with ya Ghost. God created because he wanted to be loved. He created Mankind basically for amusemen and gratification. True he does Love us, but his reasons were slightly more selfish than you present.

How so, God? The god of the philosophers is simply more clearly defined than the biblical version, while remaining within the three primary boundary conditions: omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence. Any further characteristics are derived from the premise "God is the greatest possible being".

At the risk of making myself seem like an even bigger heretic, I'm gonna have to disagree with ya Ghost. God created because he wanted to be loved. He created Mankind basically for amusemen and gratification. True he does Love us, but his reasons were slightly more selfish than you present.

It can go both ways. In my opinion yes he did it for amusment too, but he definatly cares. I'm not going to try to push myself on people but I will stand up for what I believe. I may not be the best debater and have all the proof in the world, but I have faith.

It can go both ways. In my opinion yes he did it for amusment too, but he definatly cares. I'm not going to try to push myself on people but I will stand up for what I believe. I may not be the best debater and have all the proof in the world, but I have faith.

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You insolent prick. Ghost, what the fuck have you, at any point in time, contributed to this forum? You are a worthless nub with a monstrous sense of entitlement who has yet to be recognized in a positive sense by anyone on this forum. Generally, your posts are either ridiculous claims and flip-floppings in debates with no proof to back you up; senseless, bandwagoning "flame" posts directed towards me; or general ego stroking.

On the terms of your post, that is ridiculous. You're the one that made the thread, and now say that god is omnipotent and essentially shun the beliefs of atheists without any proof, continue to say nothing of value and just say "God is all powerful. He made [insert human quality here] when he created humankind". Unless you actually get the brains to prove why your faith has any chance of being correct, and stop parroting whoever it may be that led you to this faith, your faith means absolutely nothing. Stop trying to play the martyr and learn how to handle yourself.

My theory is that he created the earth 6 thousand years ago, not 13.5 billion. I don't know where you come up with those numbers.

I said the universe is 13.5 billion years old, I never said anything about the Earth. Learn to read.

God is outside of time. He created time with all other things. The mind cannot concieve what exactly or how exactly eternity is. God just 'is'.

Time is a measurement of motion and change. A timeless state can't contain motion or change, therefore if God is timeless, he couldn't bring about change, ie; no creating the universe. Time can't be created since creation requires time.

God created because he loves. He wants to love even though we are imperfect.

Okay. A perfect being who is supposed to be complete and lacking nothing somehow feels the need to love.