hahaha i got a different question that has nothig to do with the above. itach and the fish guy said that the only way for them to kill jiraya would be for both of them to die as well....but in shippuden saske says that neither him nor orochimaru are strong enought to kill itach....so oes this mean jiraya is stronger than saske and orochimaru, and if he is, why does orochimaru make fun of him by calling him weak

I think the Sharingan gives Itachi the advantage over Orochimaru and Sasuke, since he didn't have MS yet, because they are all offensive fighters. Jiraya is a defensive fighter which would allow him to exhaust Itachi's chakra and thus equal their powers. Plus though Itachi may very well have been stronger or as strong, Summoning Jutsus equal the playing field. Orochimaru calls Jiraya weak because they have the same relationship as Naruto and Sasuke. We all all know Naruto and Sasuke are comparable in strength and Sasuke calls Naruto weak all the time.

I think Naruto needs a HUGE makover. -_-'
It's gotten a bit dull... and it's SO slow!
So yeah, not sure what I would do to change it, but it needs a change.
I have to report this, no more naruto threads! (sorryz)