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Now you and i will be forced to either buy a plan or pay a fine, I have money for neither it is pay for healthcare insurance, pay their fine or pay my bills, I have to pay my bills.

I was doing fine paying doctor visits out of pocket and making payments on emergency room bills. They will make me a criminal yet for minding my own business and paying my own bills and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it, they have painted me into a corner.

Would you have preferred that the ER turn you away? If you seriously think that you mind your own business and that universal healthcare infringes on your liberty, then support the right of the hospital to demand payment or insurance before allowing the amberlamps to drop you off.

Do you really want a hospital to turn your family member away? Would not not kick and scream about all the taxes you have paid and never drawn a nickel of welfare?

Seriously, the time has come. The way we have been doing this is wrong. It's always been wrong.

Having a plan and having a plan that employees can use and afford is not the same thing.
Denny's offers three plans according to your info:

• A real Aetna Choice plan that looks like real health insurance PPO

• A catastrophic plan

• A so-called "mini-plan" with $25,000 coverage max (like McDonald's and Walmart use to claim higher percentages of insured)

Metz claims that ACA will cost him an additional $5000 per year per employee, or $175,000 per store per year, so clearly 35 of the employees in a given store do not have health insurance.

Nova, Obamacare states a minimum coverage plan level, and if you don't meet it, you are fined. The "mini-plan" like McDonald's does not meet that level, that is why the HHS gave them a waver last year. They too will be paying the 5,000 year fine. So clearly 35 out of the 35 employees can have some level of coverage as is, but not to the level obamacare dictates.

Nova, Obamacare states a minimum coverage plan level, and if you don't meet it, you are fined. The "mini-plan" like McDonald's does not meet that level, that is why the HHS gave them a waver last year. They too will be paying the 5,000 year fine. So clearly 35 out of the 35 employees can have some level of coverage as is, but not to the level obamacare dictates.

learn some thing please.

There is nothing to learn there. The "mini-plan" is not comprehensive health insurance and doesn't facilitate preventative care. It pays for a broken wrist, maybe.

The goal here is not "some coverage". If that were the case, then Denny's could simply have an in house policy of paying up to $1000 for each employee and call themselves 100% insured. It's not acceptable.

This country isn't saving a nickel by shopping at Walmart. Between food stamps, section 8, and Medicaid their employees are amongst the largest collectors of welfare benefits.

Wal-Mart's poverty wages force employees to rely on $2.66 billion in government help every year, or about $420,000 per store. In state after state, Wal-Mart employees are the top recipients of Medicaid. As many as 80 percent of workers in Wal-Mart stores use food stamps.

You better come up with statistics and links from unbiased sources to back this up or you should be banned for spreading lies.

Would you have preferred that the ER turn you away? If you seriously think that you mind your own business and that universal healthcare infringes on your liberty, then support the right of the hospital to demand payment or insurance before allowing the amberlamps to drop you off.

Do you really want a hospital to turn your family member away? Would not not kick and scream about all the taxes you have paid and never drawn a nickel of welfare?

Seriously, the time has come. The way we have been doing this is wrong. It's always been wrong.

Nova, many more are now then before, and its getting worse because of this law.

Fact is Medicare is going broke, Obamacare takes 700 billion out of it to fund Obamacare, while at the same time puts 30+ million more people into that program.

If you decrease the funds, increase the people, that will force you to decrease the payments made for their treatments. Hospitals will in turn have no choice but refuse treatment due to lack of payment. Their cost will not be covered.

There is nothing to learn there. The "mini-plan" is not comprehensive health insurance and doesn't facilitate preventative care. It pays for a broken wrist, maybe.

The goal here is not "some coverage". If that were the case, then Denny's could simply have an in house policy of paying up to $1000 for each employee and call themselves 100% insured. It's not acceptable.

Did you, or did you not state,

Originally Posted by Novaheart

so clearly 35 of the employees in a given store do not have health insurance.

Now your saying there is nothing to learn here, that some thing is not better then the now nothing they all will be forced to have. That they now are better off with nothing at all?

Fact is Medicare is going broke, Obamacare takes 700 billion out of it to fund Obamacare, while at the same time puts 30+ million more people into that program.

If you decrease the funds, increase the people, that will force you to decrease the payments made for their treatments. Hospitals will in turn have no choice but refuse treatment due to lack of payment. Their cost will not be covered.

Logic can't be argued wit a libs emotions, but what about the children!

Fact is Medicare is going broke, Obamacare takes 700 billion out of it to fund Obamacare, while at the same time puts 30+ million more people into that program.

If you decrease the funds, increase the people, that will force you to decrease the payments made for their treatments. Hospitals will in turn have no choice but refuse treatment due to lack of payment. Their cost will not be covered.