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Comments on MetaFilter post FDA halts adult stem cell procedureSat, 29 Nov 2003 11:38:07 -0800Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:38:07 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60FDA halts adult stem cell procedurehttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure
<a href="http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/11_03/heart_stem_cells.shtml">The FDA has put the brakes on clinical trials of a promising form of stem cell therapy</a> which uses the body's own stem cells to heal dammage. The procedure was used earlier this year to <a href=http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,57944,00.html>heal the heart of a teenager who was shot in the heart by a nail gun</a>. Other research is being done with the body's own stem cells on the <a href=http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm?reutersid=3801>heart</a> and the <a href=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3276427.stm>spinal cord</a>, and new ways to produce large numbers of adult stem cells have been discovered by <a href=http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2003/sherley.html>MIT</a> and the British company <a href=http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994418>TriStem</a>. With <a href=http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/29287>the controversy over embryonic stem cells</a>, I'm glad that adult stem cell therapy is showing promise. [Some links via <a href=http://www.futurepundit.com/>FuturePundit</a>, who is rather <a href=http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001817.html#001817>annoyed</a> with the FDA.]post:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:34:59 -0800homunculusFDAstemcellembryonicstemcellshealthmedicineBy: the fire you left mehttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593150
It's amazing, through western civilazation, how difficult it is to accept progress. Yet science is tenacious, and we will further on, lest the Church or the Bomb take us all.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593150Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:38:07 -0800the fire you left meBy: elpapacitohttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593166
Mh as far as I understand the issue is that (quoting)
<i>Clinical trials can be conducted using living cells without FDA's permission if the trial meets certain conditions. One condition is that the cells being given to a patient perform the same function in the patient as in the donor. This is known as<b>homologous</b> use.
If these conditions are not met, clinicians must apply for permission by submitting an Investigational New Drug (IND) application. In the case of the Michigan proposal, FDA considers the use of stem cells derived from the bone marrow for use in repairing heart tissue to be <b>"non-homologous"</b> even though the cells came from the patient himself
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That's because, apparently, FDA or scientific community still doesn't have enough data on the nature of the cells that are "repaired" by stem cells. Are they brand new cells, or repaired cells ? How do they work and how long do they work ?
As far I as I can see (and that's not so far I'm not cell technician) FDA concern seems to be legitimate. I'd rather put more pressure on legalizing stem cell experimentation regardless of the source of the cell (embryo,bone marrow) so that scientific community can do paralellel-experimentation (which speeds up analysis while maintaining the rigor of scientific sperimentation).
For the problem of terminal illness - right to choose an experimental cure : I think that if there is consolidated scientif proof that a patient is terminal and his/her only chances are that of an experimental cure, then he/she should do whatever gives an additional chance , but the doctors should be responsible not only of informing the patient of the experimental nature of the treatement (no-brainer) but also for the decision of proposing an experimental treatement (which would require doctor at least to show on what scientific data/grounds is their suggestion of using experimental approach founded on).
Great post Homunculus, thanks a lot.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593166Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:31:37 -0800elpapacitoBy: benjhhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593168
The FDA has put a stop to stem cell therapy, because it threatens to cure diseases which for now are only treatable by a lifelong dependence to pharmaceutical companies' medications, which have been overly inflated in price due to patent laws and 'the free market'.
When questioned about this development, every congressman averted their eyes, mumbling something about capaign donations, and how they were late for a flight to Barbados for a meeting with some friends in the pharmaceutical and tobacco industries.
The president, who we will still assume is George W Bush, was quoted as saying, "We can't bear the risk of taking money out of the hands of wealthy legal drug CEOs with these kinds of therapies that threaten their livelihood. If we continue like this, they could lose their cars, their Yachts, or even their summer homes. And I know what its like to have a summer home, I have one in Texas. But I use mine every week, and its more of a place to avoid work than anything, but really, the rich don't deserve this kind of treatment." He continued by muttering in incomprehensible language for 10 minutes before realizing Air Force One was waiting to take him to Barbados.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593168Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:32:55 -0800benjhBy: amberglowhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593178
benjh : &gt;comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593178Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:08:21 -0800amberglowBy: rushmchttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593222
Anyone opposed to this research should be made to sign an acknowledgement to that effect and then be denied any treatments that result from it for the rest of their lives.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593222Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:47:28 -0800rushmcBy: Beansidhehttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593313
What is really ominous is that the doctors are considering moving their research overseas. How much more will we lose due to this administration and its policies?comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593313Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:50:29 -0800BeansidheBy: LittleMissCrankyhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593348
Nice post.
The financial motivation is a big one, to be sure, but so are the values of W's core constituency -- the religious right. Stem cell research of any kind will forever be linked in their minds with abortion. Nevermind that this has exactly zero to do with abortion.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593348Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:33:03 -0800LittleMissCrankyBy: yonderboyhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593349
The most interesting link in this post is the one about TriStem. I have a feeling it will make the rounds again.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593349Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:56:35 -0800yonderboyBy: shepdhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593388
Yergh, not that argument again.
While Bush is a crazed Christian with a stupid mission(s), not all people against abortion are religious. There's many secular arguments against abortion.
That being said, having read a little more, I can see Stem Cells and Abortion are linked like chalk and cheese.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593388Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:37:12 -0800shepdBy: homunculushttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593396
Since these procedures deal only with adult stem cells, abortion has nothing to do with this, and as far as I know Bush and most pro-lifers enthusiastically support adult stem cell research. What's going on with the FDA seems to be more a function of bureaucracy than philosophy. I agree with elpapacito that they do have legitimate concerns, but ultimately I agree with FuturePundit that they shouldn't stand in the way of clinical trials. This is promising stuff, as Bonnville's recovery shows.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593396Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:47:10 -0800homunculusBy: mikehhttp://www.metafilter.com/29902/FDA-halts-adult-stem-cell-procedure#593757
(vaguely OT) Actually, abortion has next to nothing to do with fetal stem cell research. The majority of researchers are content to do research using discarded embryos. When a couple decides to have a child via artificial insemination, there are often many unused embryos. They stay on file for a few years, and are then discarded instead of used for research. This would be a viable source of stem cells, according to what I've read.
Is everybody getting their "facts" on stem cells from that South Park episode where Christopher Reeve sucks them out of aborted fetuses, or what? Somehow the words "stem cell" got equated with "baby murder" and now increasing numbers of researchers are leaving the US so that they may continue research.comment:www.metafilter.com,2003:site.29902-593757Mon, 01 Dec 2003 07:01:24 -0800mikeh