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Do the honorable thing. Show me evidence of how the government required all citizens to register their liquor, marijuana and opium before they came and took it away. Tommy guns, maybe, I don't know about that.

I will give up guns when the US government gives up guns... no guns for police, military personnel, etc. etc.... in which case I will go buy a longsword... until the government gives it up, it is all hypocrisy...

If I'm ever in your neighborhood, can I come over and look at a human being through the sights of your Para Ordnance Compact LDA 45ACP that you are so in love with? I bet that works better than viagra.

This is precisely the sort of comment that is the reason you, and others like you, aren't taken seriously in gun debates. You shouldn't be, either. You've already made up your mind about gun owners, and you have some sort of nonsense planted in your brain about us making up for inadequacies, wanting to play "rambo", etc.

You're a joke in these debates, jtur. You usually put up a reasonable argument in most threads, but you're always trying to claw your way out of a hole in the sand in the gun threads. I honestly don't know why you bother.

1 thermonuclear warhead nut with a thermonuclear warhead can slaughter a whole city in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a conventional warhead.

1 conventional warhead nut with a conventional warhead can slaughter a whole community in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a RPG.

1 RPG nut with an RPG can slaughter a whole crowd in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a grenade.

1 grenade nut with a grenade can slaughter a whole group in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a gun.

1 gun nut with a gun can slaughter a whole bunch of people in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a sword.

1 sword nut with a sword can slaughter several people in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a knife.

1 knife nut with a knife can slaughter a couple of people in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a stone.

1 stone nut with a stone can slaughter a person or two in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a pencil.

1 pencil nut with a pencil can slaughter a person in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was only armed with a fist.

1 fist nut with a big fists can beat someone to death in a matter of seconds, which will be impossible if he was armed with nothing.

wheew... okay, now…

Question: what do you see in common with all the above scenarios?

Answer: an assailant (a nut).

Banning a tool will not end the psychosis. And as we know, true mass murderers tend to be quite creative in their brutality and don’t all that often use guns.

Would you rather be sitting in a room with a law-abiding citizen carrying a gun, or a mass murderer carrying a scimitar?

Good post ChrisC! Humans have been killing each other ever since the beginning of time, long before guns were invented, so the problem is not guns, but violent criminals. Killing is against the law, has that stopped criminals from committing these terrible crimes?

We all know that there are countless laws that are supposed to prevent decent citizens from becoming the victims of murderers, but unfortunately that doesn't work all the time. So when the laws fail to stop violent criminals, and they see me as a potential victim, a .45 ACP bullet going at a muzzle velocity of 1,000 feet per second will do a better job stopping them, than calling 911.

NV, the interesting thing about the firearm is that the thing itself is perfectly harmless --- it's the bullet that comes out of it. And when the bullet comes out of it, that bullet has a mind of its own. It goes where it wants and does what it wants, and there is no human will that can do anything about it.

A bullet goes where it is told. Thats why sights are put on a firearm. It is under the complete control of the one wielding the weapon. It will hit where it is aimed. Period. Ricochet is still a result of the user aiming the weapon and telling the projectile where to go. Penetration through walls , and ANY other path a bullet may take is a direct result of the person behind the gun. Gun control IS hitting the target and the purpose of shooting is to HIT a target. The same principal applies to any device designed to launch a projectile. Not just a firearm.

This is precisely the sort of comment that is the reason you, and others like you, aren't taken seriously in gun debates.r.

No, no, no, you just don't get it. The reason nobody with an opposing view are ever taken seriously in a gun debate is because they dare to challeng people who are in love with their guns and treat them better than their wives and probably even spend more money on them

Here's a challenge for you. Go back through all the posts in all the gun debates, and find me one, just one, comment from a person who has an opposing point of view, that any of you have ever taken seriously or treated with respect. You are so irrational that you even detest the ACLU, who are the first people who would go to bat for you if the government ever tried to take away your guns in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Which nobody has ever threatened to do.

You automatically reject every opinion from every non-gun enthusiast, and call him a wimp and tell him how superior you are to him. Even a person like me who is a gun owner and an ardent supporter of the 2nd Amendment as written, but dares to disagree with one tiny detail of your precious absolutist platform.

Gunfree USA, that'll never happen because only the bad guys will have them, and when the means of decent citizens to protect themselves have been taken away, that'll only make it a lot easier for the bad guys to commit their crimes.

No, no, no, you just don't get it. The reason nobody with an opposing view are ever taken seriously in a gun debate is because they dare to challeng people who are in love with their guns and treat them better than their wives and probably even spend more money on them

Here's a challenge for you. Go back through all the posts in all the gun debates, and find me one, just one, comment from a person who has an opposing point of view, that any of you have ever taken seriously or treated with respect. You are so irrational that you even detest the ACLU, who are the first people who would go to bat for you if the government ever tried to take away your guns in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Which nobody has ever threatened to do.

You automatically reject every opinion from every non-gun enthusiast, and call him a wimp and tell him how superior you are to him. Even a person like me who is a gun owner and an ardent supporter of the 2nd Amendment as written, but dares to disagree with one tiny detail of your precious absolutist platform.

Back to insults again. Spending more on my guns and treating them better than my wife? Whatever, you obviously aren't keeping my books. I don't take my guns to Kuaui or Maui, and I certainly don't touch them the same way as I do my wife. Thats pretty crass language for someone who likes to call people 'third graders' man. You invite and incite serious conflict with every post and wonder why folks get POed. I have never claimed superiority over you or anyone else nor have I seen anyone else do so. Differing opinions? Certainly Heated discussion? Absolutly. But nothing to warrant dragging anyones family life through the mud. Thats a stretch.

No, no, no, you just don't get it. The reason nobody with an opposing view are ever taken seriously in a gun debate is because they dare to challeng people who are in love with their guns and treat them better than their wives and probably even spend more money on them

I was enjoying your posts earlier in this thread. You have dropped to a Tricky_D level recently.

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Originally Posted by jtur88

You are so irrational that you even detest the ACLU, who are the first people who would go to bat for you if the government ever tried to take away your guns in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Which nobody has ever threatened to do.

That was me disrespecting the ACLU with the 'hurt feelings report'. And I don't see the ACLU coming to bat for any of the current infringements of the 2nd. If you want to discuss them, I'm more than happy to lend my thoughts in another thread.

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Originally Posted by jtur88

You automatically reject every opinion from every non-gun enthusiast, and call him a wimp and tell him how superior you are to him. Even a person like me who is a gun owner and an ardent supporter of the 2nd Amendment as written, but dares to disagree with one tiny detail of your precious absolutist platform.

No, no, no, you just don't get it. The reason nobody with an opposing view are ever taken seriously in a gun debate is because they dare to challeng people who are in love with their guns and treat them better than their wives and probably even spend more money on them.

Wow. I think that's more evidence why this member's posts aren't taken seriously.

Most gun owners are not gun nuts or gun lovers. Most just want to have a gun(s) and want to be able to use one if needed. Though I don't personally own a gun, most of the member of my family do. Most of my family lives in rural areas, and on farms, and it's sure nice to be able to kill a rabid skunk when you see one - or go hunting on your own land if you choose.

Doesn't mean your a gun nut, or gun lover. And it certainly doesn't mean you spend more money on your gun than your wife. It just means you want to be able to do what you need to do.

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