Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:gunga galunga: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The amount of haters in this thread is kind of comical, actually. Sorry if anyone ruined your day, ITGs.

What gets me is that it's the same people who show up in every single brony thread without fail.

Now I'm not saying that there's any sort of Larry Craig "wide stance" thing going on with these people, but.......

No, no. That's exactly what I'm saying. The way they keep bellowing out "you people are pedophiles" sounds like any given Republican who bellows about what perverts gay people are, and are then later caught sneaking out of some motel room with a young male intern.

To be fair, I thought I was coming into an Anthony Bourdain thread. I was all ready to hate on that guy, but somehow this turned into a pony thread.

And I can understand that. If you hadn't RTFA, and were not familiar with the "20% cooler" meme, you'd have no idea that it was going to be a pony thread. I was referring to those who make it a point to troll these threads week after week. They honestly believe they are performing a public service with their "men needs to act like men" rhetoric. As I said before, it reminds me of that pastor from NC who advocated beating their sons who did not conform to traditional gender roles.

/not a brony//saw one episode, could see myself tolerating it watching it with my niece, but that's it///always comes to these threads because the pics crack me up////the usual gang of haters are funny, too, but in a sad sort of "don't you have anything better to do" way

gunga galunga:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gunga galunga: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The amount of haters in this thread is kind of comical, actually. Sorry if anyone ruined your day, ITGs.

What gets me is that it's the same people who show up in every single brony thread without fail.

Now I'm not saying that there's any sort of Larry Craig "wide stance" thing going on with these people, but.......

No, no. That's exactly what I'm saying. The way they keep bellowing out "you people are pedophiles" sounds like any given Republican who bellows about what perverts gay people are, and are then later caught sneaking out of some motel room with a young male intern.

To be fair, I thought I was coming into an Anthony Bourdain thread. I was all ready to hate on that guy, but somehow this turned into a pony thread.

And I can understand that. If you hadn't RTFA, and were not familiar with the "20% cooler" meme, you'd have no idea that it was going to be a pony thread. I was referring to those who make it a point to troll these threads week after week. They honestly believe they are performing a public service with their "men needs to act like men" rhetoric. As I said before, it reminds me of that pastor from NC who advocated beating their sons who did not conform to traditional gender roles.

/not a brony//saw one episode, could see myself tolerating it watching it with my niece, but that's it///always comes to these threads because the pics crack me up////the usual gang of haters are funny, too, but in a sad sort of "don't you have anything better to do" way

Oh, yeah. If I know its a pony thread, I won't come in and threadshiat. I honestly thought this was a Bourdain thread that the bronies were trolling. My bad! I'm now aware of the 20% cooler thing. Carry on, bronies and brony-haters.

Now, taking it to extremes as some people do is definitely farking weird (as I've said, approximately, half a dozen times in this thread so far. And, no one who wants to biatch and moan has bothered to listen when I or someone else have admitted as much). But the same can be said for any weird, obsessive fan of any show, book, musician, whatever.

And to pre-emptively (rainbow) Dash your 8-year-old girl argument that I know is coming up next, the current show was purposely designed to appeal to a wider demographic than young girls, because one, the creator wanted the show to have mass appeal, and two, Hasbro wanted to make more money than the demographic the 80s show was targeted at would make them.

But, no one will read what I type for the 6th time today, and we'll get another 20 inane posts of the same shiat from the same people.

Oh, yeah. If I know its a pony thread, I won't come in and threadshiat. I honestly thought this was a Bourdain thread that the bronies were trolling. My bad! I'm now aware of the 20% cooler thing. Carry on, bronies and brony-haters.

The Bourdain thing happened last summer... might have even been a thread about it on FARK.

Hell, I even worked in a Spike eating popcorn pic in Thursday's Bourdain iCarly thread to see if anyone would pick up on it.

Now, taking it to extremes as some people do is definitely farking weird (as I've said, approximately, half a dozen times in this thread so far. And, no one who wants to biatch and moan has bothered to listen when I or someone else have admitted as much). But the same can be said for any weird, obsessive fan of any show, book, musician, whatever.

And to pre-emptively (rainbow) Dash your 8-year-old girl argument that I know is coming up next, the current show was purposely designed to appeal to a wider demographic than young girls, because one, the creator wanted the show to have mass appeal, and two, Hasbro wanted to make more money than the demographic the 80s show was targeted at would make them.

But, no one will read what I type for the 6th time today, and we'll get another 20 inane posts of the same shiat from the same people.

Now, taking it to extremes as some people do is definitely farking weird (as I've said, approximately, half a dozen times in this thread so far. And, no one who wants to biatch and moan has bothered to listen when I or someone else have admitted as much). But the same can be said for any weird, obsessive fan of any show, book, musician, whatever.

And to pre-emptively (rainbow) Dash your 8-year-old girl argument that I know is coming up next, the current show was purposely designed to appeal to a wider demographic than young girls, because one, the creator wanted the show to have mass appeal, and two, Hasbro wanted to make more money than the demographic the 80s show was targeted at would make them.

But, no one will read what I type for the 6th time today, and we'll get another 20 inane posts of the same shiat from the same people.

Alright, fair enough.

And, it's understandable that you came in for a Bourdain thread without knowing his history with Rainbow Dash.

But would the postcount have been a tipoff. Do Bourdain threads usually go this long?

In his newest book, Bourdain recounted a time he saw a 20-something cook in the kitchen of the place he was eating flip him off and call him a sell-out. I sympathized, since like him, if you had even been the littlest bit inspired by Kitchen Confidential, then you too would consider Tony a sellout. And I do too. I can't really blame him for it though. And while I have nothing against MLP in general, seeing Tony anywhere near it is just sad.

Seriously Tony, you're still awesome and a great food writer and I so wish I had your job, but f*ck you for the collective backstabbing that was Medium Raw.

GAT_00:I've always thought the whole Bronie thing was incredibly creepy. It's not like a kids show you grew up with.

Actually, it kind of is. Bronies and pegasisters tend to be ages 24-34, which puts them squarely in the demographic for G1 My Little Pony, which peaked in popularity around 1986. A great many of the new fans enjoy 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' (G4,) simply because it's a better version of the same ponies we pegasisters or the female siblings of bronies (as it was a less tolerant time for gender expression,) enjoyed when we were little. Applejack is still there, Spike is still there, but instead of two-dimensional cardboard-cutouts who are just there to sell toys, the newer versions are credible, realistic characters with plots entertaining enough for adults and a significant quality increase in every aspect, particularly music and voice acting.

If you examine the first-generation version and the current one, it's a similar quality and features upgrade between, say, an Apple IIe and an Apple iPhone. Nobody argues with a bunch of Eighties and early-Nineties kids liking iStuff. And then, when you consider how many bronies and pegasisters are at the age when they and their friends are all having children on purpose (seriously, it's like Babies R' Us up in my Facebook,) and what absolute drivel the rest of children's programming tends to be (except 'Adventure Time,' 'Young Justice' and 'Legend of Korra,') then the whole Brony phenomenon really starts to look more like a lot of expectant dads adjusting to the idea that the new baby may be a girl.

That, and consider what's been happening, economically and socially, for 24 to 34-year-olds. We've had a stagnant economy, overwhelming student-loan debt for degrees that in no way guarantee better career performance, housing is still in crisis, outsourcing is removing a lot of the fields we're good at, a lot of us have served in the war, and politics continue to completely ignore the needs of people our age in favor of pandering to the Boomers, the old people who show up to every election, and, in a really cruel move, the Millennials who really don't know how lucky they have it. A lot of us want children desperately, but are too responsible to have them until our finances are better, and others in the group have children at the expense of everything else they love.

It is a dark, struggly time for the demographic, with the horrible job market frequently forcing us to move far away from every friend we have just to survive. All the social media in the world can't replace friendship, and with jobs, housing and opportunities going the way they are, this is a generation that feels incredibly alone.

Until we put on 'My Little Pony' and log into the forums to talk with the others of our kind.

What other media is there that is SO escapist, so cheerful and so hopeful? There are no Democrat-Bronies or Republican-Pegasisters, because we are all fans of the show and that is what we gather to talk about. When work is a horrible pain in the ass and our friends are far away, we still have our fellow Bronies, and considering how many local meet-ups and watch parties there are, becoming a Brony is one of the quickest ways for a person in a new area to find friends of their same age and education level. The show emphasizes tolerance, acceptance and sharing, which is the same basis that many religions use to bring people together, except that this, being a TV show, isn't un-PC to discuss around the watercooler or controversial enough to provoke fights.

There are Brony charities to give us purpose and every day brings new triumphs, some as small as bringing a Princess Cadence toy to the Toys For Tots drive and knowing it will make a poor child's Christmas and some as big as the school Bronies For Good is building in Uganda. It gives us something to share and something to live for, even at times when the rest of our lives are, by necessity, fairly dull and gray.

If it wasn't 'My Little Pony,' something else would have come along to give this broken, bent generation hope.

And considering what our parents did with this time in their lives, I think we could do worse than collecting a few plastic ponies and writing a few fanfics. I mean, the Greatest Generation invented outlaw bikers, the Boomers did more drugs than Keith Richards on a bad day and Generation X gave us the dot-com bubble crash. Compared to that, I think y'all can put up with some bucking image macros and the odd Shining Armor cosplay.

Boy, this thread was a trainwreck of antipathy and hatred, wasn't it?You guys have a bad holiday or something?Being you have never and likely will never see in real life are different from you. Get used to it.

I'm not a Brony, but I've seen snippets of the this version of MLP on YouTube and I'm old enough to remember the original MLP series in the 80's. I have no problem with the fandom. To be fair, there is always fringe wierdos in every fandom that take things too far, but it's unfair to hold these kooks up as the standard for all members of a fandom. There are some people that like watching Star Trek. There are some people that collect the action figures on eBay and read the novels. And then there are the people who spend hours typing up fanfic of Spock and Kirk gangbanging a Tribble in a pool full of Klingon Blood Wine. Even then, I have no problem with the last group because they're not forcing me to read their fan fiction nor are they hurting anyone else.

SpiderQueenDemon:GAT_00: I've always thought the whole Bronie thing was incredibly creepy. It's not like a kids show you grew up with.

Actually, it kind of is. Bronies and pegasisters tend to be ages 24-34, which puts them squarely in the demographic for G1 My Little Pony, which peaked in popularity around 1986. A great many of the new fans enjoy 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' (G4,) simply because it's a better version of the same ponies we pegasisters or the female siblings of bronies (as it was a less tolerant time for gender expression,) enjoyed when we were little. Applejack is still there, Spike is still there, but instead of two-dimensional cardboard-cutouts who are just there to sell toys, the newer versions are credible, realistic characters with plots entertaining enough for adults and a significant quality increase in every aspect, particularly music and voice acting.

If you examine the first-generation version and the current one, it's a similar quality and features upgrade between, say, an Apple IIe and an Apple iPhone. Nobody argues with a bunch of Eighties and early-Nineties kids liking iStuff. And then, when you consider how many bronies and pegasisters are at the age when they and their friends are all having children on purpose (seriously, it's like Babies R' Us up in my Facebook,) and what absolute drivel the rest of children's programming tends to be (except 'Adventure Time,' 'Young Justice' and 'Legend of Korra,') then the whole Brony phenomenon really starts to look more like a lot of expectant dads adjusting to the idea that the new baby may be a girl.

That, and consider what's been happening, economically and socially, for 24 to 34-year-olds. We've had a stagnant economy, overwhelming student-loan debt for degrees that in no way guarantee better career performance, housing is still in crisis, outsourcing is removing a lot of the fields we're good at, a lot of us have served in the war, and politics continue to completely ignore the needs of people our age in favor of pandering to the Boomers, the old people who show up to every election, and, in a really cruel move, the Millennials who really don't know how lucky they have it. A lot of us want children desperately, but are too responsible to have them until our finances are better, and others in the group have children at the expense of everything else they love.

It is a dark, struggly time for the demographic, with the horrible job market frequently forcing us to move far away from every friend we have just to survive. All the social media in the world can't replace friendship, and with jobs, housing and opportunities going the way they are, this is a generation that feels incredibly alone.

Until we put on 'My Little Pony' and log into the forums to talk with the others of our kind.

What other media is there that is SO escapist, so cheerful and so hopeful? There are no Democrat-Bronies or Republican-Pegasisters, because we are all fans of the show and that is what we gather to talk about. When work is a horrible pain in the ass and our friends are far away, we still have our fellow Bronies, and considering how many local meet-ups and watch parties there are, becoming a Brony is one of the quickest ways for a person in a new area to find friends of their same age and education level. The show emphasizes tolerance, acceptance and sharing, which is the same basis that many religions use to bring people together, except that this, being a TV show, isn't un-PC to discuss around the watercooler or controversial enough to provoke fights.

There are Brony charities to give us purpose and every day brings new triumphs, some as small as bringing a Princess Cadence toy to the Toys For Tots drive and knowing it will make a poor child's Christmas and some as big as the school Bronies For Good is building in Uganda. It gives us something to share and something to live for, even at times when the rest of our lives are, by necessity, fairly dull and gray.

If it wasn't 'My Little Pony,' something else would have come along to give this broken, bent generation hope.

And considering what our parents did with this time in their lives, I think we could do worse than collecting a few plastic ponies and writing a few fanfics. I mean, the Greatest Generation invented outlaw bikers, the Boomers did more drugs than Keith Richards on a bad day and Generation X gave us the dot-com bubble crash. Compared to that, I think y'all can put up with some bucking image macros and the odd Shining Armor cosplay.

omeganuepsilon:Snark Shark II: It's no different than a girl an adult liking Transformers or GI Joe.

That's the creepy we're on about, it's not a boy/girl thing at it's base.

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As to the thread in general(and my earlier post), I got curious so I went to google image search.

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yes, people who are adults like cartoons. people who are adults play video games, board games, paint, draw, play sports, and generally enjoy things they enjoy that children might enjoy also. Becoming an adult doesn't mean you stop enjoying a few childish things here and there.You act like this is some new thing, but sports started out as kids games and then they became professional careers that adults entered into. Adults enjoying kids stuff is nothing new. Stop acting like it is.

Okay, there's a difference between "adults watching cartoons" and "adults watching something that is CLEARLY geared towards little girls". If Barbie came out with their own new cartoon, which adults started watching, and started calling themselves "Brobies", people who think there is something seriously wrong with them. The same goes for Rainbow Brite.

blue_2501:Okay, there's a difference between "adults watching cartoons" and "adults watching something that is CLEARLY geared towards little girls". If Barbie came out with their own new cartoon, which adults started watching, and started calling themselves "Brobies", people who think there is something seriously wrong with them. The same goes for Rainbow Brite.

It's really all a matter of perspective. If they're not hurting anyone, then it's just a hypocritical condoned kind of snobbery.

Fully grown people that never manage to get over their childhood addictions, in such numbers, is sort of new, a softening of society.

I will put forth like you are the one acting like "this is some new thing". It's pretty obvious you didn't read all of my former posts and you just wanted to chime in like some johnny come lately, and do so with ignorant abandon.

Key words: "here and there"People who obsess over it, are another matter entirely. They call such things guilty pleasures for a reason. Healthy people by and large are shamed by some such habits. That's no bad thing, in that it stops people from incessantly bringing it up in public, it's a reinforcement of being considerate of others, and not being so quirky as to be outcast.

Whether we like it or not, you will be judged by your actions and statements. Even kids realize that some things are just meant for kids and will look oddly upon adults who like to partake just a little too much.

Come on, everyone and their mother and their kids thought Micheal Jackson was a little off, long before the accusations even started, and he went on and proved later in life. Hell, he named his kid "blanket".

This whole, love who you are and be loud and proud and don't let anyone tell you different, are rather juvenile concepts. We're taught we're special and unique and something to celebrate as kids, but in reality that's not true. Spoiling kids in such a way is a poor substitute for adequately teaching confidence, and society at large suffers for it. Why? People are shocked, SHOCKED, to come to find out that they're not all that special at all, and can develop fair amounts of stress and depression because they were greatly misled.

People who come to the point of flaunting their guilty pleasure obsessions are, in short, attention whores.

Snark Shark II:sports started out as kids games and then they became professional careers that adults entered into.

Citation needed, even though I never mentioned sports as some kind of alternative, or sports at all.

In fact, nevermind, it's an easy enough google, and you're flat out wrong.

From the wiki on sports:

The history of sports can be traced to that of hunting sports with flint arrowheads proving the practice of archery and javelin. Projectile points dating back 64,000 years were excavated from layers of ancient sediment in Sibudu Cave, South Africa, by a team of scientists from the University of the Witwatersrand.

Sports originated as practice for hunting and then was turned into games for children.___________So, thanks for playing, come back after you score double digits on an IQ test.

Snark Shark II:also I wasn't flat out wrong. it was hunting, then it was games for children. now it's stuff for adults to watch and play.

Wow. That's some incredible rationalization there.

Hunting was done by adults.They sucked at it, and therefore practiced.Then the children emulated them.

Your inane statement is like saying cowboys and indians got into real fights because kids did it first.Really, your logic was pretty blatantly anecdotal and grossly flawed in it's simplicity.Today, kids play sports, and grow up to be professionals, ergo, it started as a kid's thing.Whatever, deny it all you want.

Not really much of a conceptual thinker are you? No wonder you watch cartoons and defend the practice so vehemently(if poorly) on the internet.

Snark Shark II: also I wasn't flat out wrong. it was hunting, then it was games for children. now it's stuff for adults to watch and play.

Wow. That's some incredible rationalization there.

Hunting was done by adults.They sucked at it, and therefore practiced.Then the children emulated them.

Your inane statement is like saying cowboys and indians got into real fights because kids did it first.Really, your logic was pretty blatantly anecdotal and grossly flawed in it's simplicity.Today, kids play sports, and grow up to be professionals, ergo, it started as a kid's thing.Whatever, deny it all you want.

Not really much of a conceptual thinker are you? No wonder you watch cartoons and defend the practice so vehemently(if poorly) on the internet.

no, I'm defending tolerance, which seems like a civil thing to do. I don't know why you feel you have to insult me about this when I could be talking about tolerating homosexuality, or free speech, or diversity or whatever. You don't actually come out looking more intelligent when you insult me about this. I don't even like the show. Notice up-thread I thought Bronies are weird? I'm just advocating being a decent person and not starting drama where it's really not even necessary.

But whatever, you'll probably just insult my intelligence again because you have nothing else to work with when someone is trying to ask you to be a more tolerant person.

omeganuepsilon:People addicted to bright colors as children are.People who's ability is limited to the short and quick events that need little to no attention span.People find attraction in puerile stories that need little functioning intellectual ability

The show as a whole is manufactured for people of those "qualities", and they eat it up wholesale. Man-children, no better than ICP asking how magnets work and then cursing those that offer education on the topic.

Well, we'll just let you go back to reading War and Peace while doing differential equations and chatting on Skype with Stephen Hawking.

Given that so much of humanity DOES have those cognitive limitations...I still prefer Bronies over Fox News fanatics, who you'll surely notice fit the exact same limitations, except they prefer to operate on hatred.

The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that the hatred towards the show boils down to deep misogyny.

The issue is not that adults are watching a kid's show, that's been happening for awhile. The issue is that MEN are watching a show for GIRLS.

The issue is not the weirdness coming from a portion of the fanbase, there have been weirdos devoted to different franchises for awhile. The issue is that there are MEN in the fanbase of show for GIRLS.

Friendship is Magic is not the first, last or only kids show that has been able to get an adult fandom (Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Rocko's Modern Life to more recently Adventure Time, Regular Show, Phineas & Ferb come to my mind), but you don't hear the old farts decrying the collapse of society about those shows between their sessions of cloud yelling and fixing the onions on their belts, because at least those are not shows specifically for GIRLS.

Bottom line is, some "adult men" are concerned about their precious sense of "masculinity" being tarnished by the possibility of enjoyment of something that is not pre approved by the Great Committee of Manliness that seems to exist somewhere in their brains...

Because if there is something seemingly terrible, is a show that not only has 6 lead characters that happen to be female, but those female characters have aspirations, ambitions, virtues, faults, fears and shortcomings that are NOT related to or defined by their interactions with MEN. Almost like if they where individuals...

So at the end, all talks about pedophile tendencies, and not being an Adult TM is all a way to not discuss their latent chauvinism or their need to over compensate.

I used to think it was weird to watch MLP. I'd make fun of "bronies" or just shake my head and wonder at those creepy guys watchin a girls show. Then I actually started to think about it, and I realized that for some reason, I found it ok for adult women to watch not only My Little Pony, but also GI Joe/x-men, just not adult men. However, when I tried switching "man watching MLP" to "gay man watching MLP" it became more acceptable to me, which was somewhat of a shock as I considered myself fairly liberal/progressive yet apparently still held onto some pretty ugly stereotypes. It was an uncomfortable and embarrassing self-realization.

So then I tried watchin the show, and turns out it was pretty awesome. I don't call myself a brony or a trekkie, or a whedonite, or (insert-fandom-moniker-here), I just enjoy the show and laugh at the image macros. I also remind myself anytime I'm presented with something that seems weird that it is not my place to judge, and my own interests could be scrutinized the same way. I became that which I once made fun of, after all.

In a way, I like to think I've matured out of "being a man" the same way you grow out of "being a teenager," and am hopefully on my way to "being an adult" - where in addition to paying your bills and taking care of friends and family, you accept that everyone is allowed their own happiness no matter how unusual it may seem.

Ishidan:omeganuepsilon:People addicted to bright colors as children are.People who's ability is limited to the short and quick events that need little to no attention span.People find attraction in puerile stories that need little functioning intellectual ability

The show as a whole is manufactured for people of those "qualities", and they eat it up wholesale. Man-children, no better than ICP asking how magnets work and then cursing those that offer education on the topic.

Well, we'll just let you go back to reading War and Peace while doing differential equations and chatting on Skype with Stephen Hawking.

Given that so much of humanity DOES have those cognitive limitations...I still prefer Bronies over Fox News fanatics, who you'll surely notice fit the exact same limitations, except they prefer to operate on hatred.

I know, right? I mean, why the heck would anyone post a pony pic in this thread? TFA may be talking about ponies, but that's obviously no excuse to post a pony in this thread.

I know.

I mean, I would farking hate it every time I would go into a thread about the 2012 Presidential Election, I would see people talking about Obama, Romney, Democrats, and Republicans. Like we couldn't have an election thread without mentioning those things?

And why is it everytime I see an NFL thread, some jackoffs are talking about Football?!?!

Enough!

You guys are a bunch of sexual deviants Warning Not Safe For WorkWho are using a cartoon franchise meant for 7 year old girls to lure them into your mom's basements.

I mean, why can't we have a world without My Little Pony?

Because fark you, that's why.

Seriously, you see what will very goddamned obviously be a pony thread and, instead of ignoring it like a rational person (of course, this is Fark, so I shouldn't expect rationality), you go in and complain that it's a pony thread. Do you have some need to hate others and torture yourself, or are you just a moran?

Shadow Blasko:fickenchucker: Show me brony who isn't messed up in one way or another (fat, ugly, pedophilic or basement-dwelling--take your pick) and I'll show you a real unicorn. Neither exist in real life.

I have forwarded your request to some of my friends at FOB Equestria. Hopefully when they wake up, (Not sure what time it is in Afghanistan right now) they'll get back to you.

Or you can google FOB Equestria or just look up military bronies. I'm sure you already knew you were wrong though.

Yes I am, you have now, and your attention span really IS as long as you claim it is. Nice.

Not sure what you mean by that, but whatever. The point was I couldn't find fault with any of that.

Bronies aren't any worse than a great amount of humanity in their...tastes. They can be more annoying than a lot of them, however, which is largely a subjective matter.

I find it funny that you chose FOX news(and therefore conservatives and fundies) as the comparison. The whole "peace love and harmony" thing is the polar opposite almost, but yet they crucify themselves just as much as their more stern counterparts.

I find that liberal attitude to surface quite often, no matter the topic. They'll self justify, often vehemently, based on an argument that isn't being made.(Ie the guy who implies we(non-bronies) are all saying DIAF). They want to play the victim, in order to utilize that effective yet fallic appeal to spite, so much so that they'll fabricate the argument.

At some point they've got to set the trolls(those that come closest to the DIAF/hate thing) aside, as with any rational debate, and deal with the realities of the concepts of maturity and accuracy of world views, if they want to be dealt with in a respectful manner. An unfortunate few do that. They play as if we live in that utopia, or that if they try hard enough they can create that utopia, nevermind that it's not currently possible.

Man is an animal, aggressive response is a natural state, and indeed, more rational than the delusional fantasy they project. Denying that, makes them fall into the same traps mental traps that so hamper the conservatives. A belief that man is "better" and needs to live up to some idealized standard. The only difference is one standard comes from a bible, and the other standard, equally fabricated, comes from...well...the bible. Turn the other cheek and all that. Jesus was pretty much a hippy, and they're emulating him.

That, at root, is why I find it funny. They(Disclaimer: as a collective, not certain individuals, if my posts don't apply to an individual, that individual can disregard, simply as a matter of efficiency) play moral police just as much as those they condemn for doing just that.

That's why so many of us come into these threads. We're not all conservative or fundy assholes, as much as people would like to project, but we find both extremes guilty of the same errors in human reasoning.

DarkPascual:The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that the hatred towards the show boils down to deep misogyny.

The issue is not that adults are watching a kid's show, that's been happening for awhile. The issue is that MEN are watching a show for GIRLS.

The issue is not the weirdness coming from a portion of the fanbase, there have been weirdos devoted to different franchises for awhile. The issue is that there are MEN in the fanbase of show for GIRLS.

Friendship is Magic is not the first, last or only kids show that has been able to get an adult fandom (Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Rocko's Modern Life to more recently Adventure Time, Regular Show, Phineas & Ferb come to my mind), but you don't hear the old farts decrying the collapse of society about those shows between their sessions of cloud yelling and fixing the onions on their belts, because at least those are not shows specifically for GIRLS.

Bottom line is, some "adult men" are concerned about their precious sense of "masculinity" being tarnished by the possibility of enjoyment of something that is not pre approved by the Great Committee of Manliness that seems to exist somewhere in their brains...

Because if there is something seemingly terrible, is a show that not only has 6 lead characters that happen to be female, but those female characters have aspirations, ambitions, virtues, faults, fears and shortcomings that are NOT related to or defined by their interactions with MEN. Almost like if they where individuals...

So at the end, all talks about pedophile tendencies, and not being an Adult TM is all a way to not discuss their latent chauvinism or their need to over compensate.

/See, I can stretch and generalize too...//Great deal of the show's success is due the haters, so thank you, Manly Men Brigade...///I don't agree at a 100% (not even close), but George Carlin had an interesting (IMO) piece about the subject of (misguided) masculinity.

Yes I am...as big a prick as your first impression was. But I like setting up long games, like this one.You have now...been set up like I set you up.Your attention span is long...most people never get to the punchline of one of my setups, they give up in the first sentence.

As for the rest, of course I targeted Fox News and their viewership of what is generally called 'low-information voters'. We do that around here, and it worked: they do, after all, also demand their world be presented in color-coded soundbites.

However, the rest of your post is wrong.

Bronies do not hate others. Fox News viewers do. You'll not hear a Bronie say "I watch MLP, you watch CNN...you're an idiot for watching that mainstream media, only and I mean ONLY MLP has the truth!" Bronies generally also do not project an assumption of hatred by others onto people they meet who don't share their interests. When a non-Bronie tells a Bronie "You must be a pedo!"(as you can see has happened in this thread), tell me again which one is projecting an assumption onto which one.

Bronies understand that it's fiction, because, well, it is. Fiction, however, is fun: the ability to create a virtual world that is NOT 'realistic' is one of the things that sets human cognition apart from the animals. We all do it, to some degree or another-the question is, what's your fiction?

You also overgeneralize. Bronies don't need to defend themselves against ALL non-Bronies, any more than any other subculture needs to defend itself against all people not of that subculture (failure to recognize this is generally a sign of a cult), but when a screaming hater does pop up, a defense is mounted. Amazingly, this is true for every other human interaction as well. There is no 'projection of an argument that's not being made'.

It's fun watching you mentally decay so you can hold on to your anti-Bronie hatred. (it's even in his profile, everybody!)

Let's try YOUR reading comprehension again.

victrin: So if I understand this thread... which indicates that the following is a paraphrase of what Victrin is seeing in this thread, and ONLY this thread. There is no statement that this reflects Victrin's opinion of the world at large.

We should all live and let live, accept diversity, honor different opinions and support good morals... unless you like ponies in which case you should DIAF. This is the part you latched onto, no doubt. Hey, guess who Victrin was paraphrasing? Yeah...YOU, among others. Again, no projection is present, only a defense against an attack in the form of hyperbolic paraphrasing.

// I watch ponies. not fanatic about it. just genuinely find it humorous, well crafted, well animated and I love the adult gags(big lebowski, blues brothers, etc.) Also, Victrin is not even a Bronie, as the fanatacism is not present. Therefore, Victrin is not speaking for bronies, Victrin is speaking as an observer who was watching YOU hate.

DarkPascual:The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that the hatred towards the show boils down to deep misogyny.

The issue is not that adults are watching a kid's show, that's been happening for awhile. The issue is that MEN are watching a show for GIRLS.

The issue is not the weirdness coming from a portion of the fanbase, there have been weirdos devoted to different franchises for awhile. The issue is that there are MEN in the fanbase of show for GIRLS.

Friendship is Magic is not the first, last or only kids show that has been able to get an adult fandom (Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Rocko's Modern Life to more recently Adventure Time, Regular Show, Phineas & Ferb come to my mind), but you don't hear the old farts decrying the collapse of society about those shows between their sessions of cloud yelling and fixing the onions on their belts, because at least those are not shows specifically for GIRLS.

Bottom line is, some "adult men" are concerned about their precious sense of "masculinity" being tarnished by the possibility of enjoyment of something that is not pre approved by the Great Committee of Manliness that seems to exist somewhere in their brains...

Because if there is something seemingly terrible, is a show that not only has 6 lead characters that happen to be female, but those female characters have aspirations, ambitions, virtues, faults, fears and shortcomings that are NOT related to or defined by their interactions with MEN. Almost like if they where individuals...

So at the end, all talks about pedophile tendencies, and not being an Adult TM is all a way to not discuss their latent chauvinism or their need to over compensate.

/See, I can stretch and generalize too...//Great deal of the show's success is due the haters, so thank you, Manly Men Brigade...///I don't agree at a 100% (not even close), but George Carlin had an interesting (IMO) piece about the subject of (misguided) masculinity.

I'd be interested to see how many brony-haters are ultra-manly misogynists vs how many are just normal guys, compared to the bronies that are socially inept losers vs normal guys.

I think the stereotype would be much more accurate for the bronies.

Myself, I'm not much of a cliches manly man. I love Lady Gaga, I get my eyebrows done, I dress well. But that whole brony thing seems creepy as shiat. Just sayin

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:I'd be interested to see how many brony-haters are ultra-manly misogynists vs how many are just normal guys, compared to the bronies that are socially inept losers vs normal guys.

I think the stereotype would be much more accurate for the bronies.

Myself, I'm not much of a cliches manly man. I love Lady Gaga, I get my eyebrows done, I dress well. But that whole brony thing seems creepy as shiat. Just sayin

I think they intentionally confuse "normal adult" or "rational maturity" with some derogatory stereotype of masculinity, mostly because they want to rail against something that's more generally accepted as "bad" in order to self validate. They perceive that that is an argument they can "win". Much easier to argue against "Man up!" than it is to argue against "Grow up!".

Similar to the way some overly flamboyant homosexuals will call modest/professional outfits "dressing straight"(with contempt) when the appropriateness of their ostentatious feather boa style is questioned.