We have two groups who share the same benefits but are still separate groups. Unless we have a statement saying that both groups should be considered interchangeable we can't treat them as though they are.

And if we do that sigs that specifically target ghost types would then also target inorganics, then of course we also run into the area where a gym could be loosely based on Ghost types or Inorganics & freely include pokemon from either group.

I realize from a standard battle standpoint they are the same, but when we get down to the nitty gritty where Sigs/Gyms are potentially involved don't you think it pays off to be a little anal about things?

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We have two groups who share the same benefits but are still separate groups. Unless we have a statement saying that both groups should be considered interchangeable we can't treat them as though they are.

And if we do that sigs that specifically target ghost types would then also target inorganics, then of course we also run into the area where a gym could be loosely based on Ghost types or Inorganics & freely include pokemon from either group.

I realize from a standard battle standpoint they are the same, but when we get down to the nitty gritty where Sigs/Gyms are potentially involved don't you think it pays off to be a little anal about things?

People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.

An idea just struck me while I was decanting fluids in the laboratory. An interesting and subtle theme for the Oddish line.

If Bellosom is themed after the sun, does that mean Vileplume is patterned after the moon? Further evidence provides credence to this theory.

Oddish learns Moonlight via Level up at Lv33. Gloom learns Moonlight via Level up at Lv41. And strikingly, Karen has a Vileplume in nearly all of games, as part of her "Night/Darkness" team, which implies that Vileplume is very much nocturnal. Her Vileplume actually has Moonlight as a move, I believe.

What I propose is that Vileplume/Gloom/Oddish receive some sort of boost under natural moonlight, due to their nocturnal characteristics. Perhaps Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume are more "enthusiastic" when exposed to moonlight and passively regain energy when exposed to the moon. After all, the canon evidence points to suggest that if Bellossom enjoys sunlight, Vileplume is more active at night. And energy regeneration under moonlight would help.

Also, perhaps Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume do not need to use Fairy type-energy when they use Moonlight. If that is an element of their SC, they wouldn't have to waste precious Fairy energy that they could use for Dazzling Gleam.

Thoughts? It'd improve the Vileplume line and draw an interesting parallelism to Bellossom. Please let me know if you think that I'm just sniffing the crack or something. ^____^;;

Any thoughts on this? Please let me know if you think I'm huffing gasses or something.

Otherwise that's pretty sound although passive energy regeneration is a bit much imo

Yeah, Moonlight uses Fairy energy, making it practically a useless move on Vileplume who kinda relies on Dazzling Gleam to have an actual off-type. The passive regeneration can work out, if the amount of energy regained is quite small. Perhaps a minor or light amount, with the caveat that it stacks with Harvestor/Sunny Day effects and that the Vileplume line gain the positive effects of sunlight from moonlight too. The idea of nocturnal enthusiasm/doesn't-use-Fairy-energy-for-Moonlight/passive energy regeneration under moonlight and treating moonlight like sunlight would give Vileplume a nice parallelism to Bellossom, imo.

With that being said, may I suggest a clause that either states explicitly that Moonlight can only be used at night or a clause that explicitly says that refs may have it working (less well?) if they want?

On that note I agree with the Vileplume moon boost thing in the other thread if only because Vileplume is crap.

Success! Maybe Vileplume will finally have a reason to use Moonlight without fearing the loss of Dazzling Gleam and will find a niche for being a night-time specialist. Nocturnal enthusiasm/Moonlight-doesn't-cost-Fairy-energy/passive-regeneration-under-moonlight would allow Vileplume to function as Bellossom's counterpart. While Vileplume might be like every other Grass-type in strong sunlight, she excels under the light of the moon like no other.

People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.

People should watch what they enjoy regardless of what others think, even if it's a terribad guilty pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger

Though, I also dislike the concept of lamenting the current day while wishing to re-experience the past. At least, my modern attitude is to try and make each new day magical even if it's not, since exclusively reminiscing about the past is too pathetic.