Hi,
Could someone with the 1871 census please do a lookup for me.
I am after a Martha Ann Geddes born 1855 (she is 26 on the 1881 census) born Liverpool. I am interested in knowing who her parents and siblings are please.
Thankyou in advance for your help.
Sue Given in Australia

Hi Juliet,
Thanks for your reply. We know that "our" Joseph Tarbuck was born in 1799 -- by the prayer card from his burial as well as other family papers. He was my husband's gg-grandfather, and we have proven the line back to him. According to his marriage papers he was born in Aughton, and this was confirmed by the 1871 census as well.
Again, thanks for your help. Good hunting.
Gloria
juliet <juliet22(a)btopenworld.com> wrote:
Hi Gloria,
Was he definately born at Aughton? I have found a Joseph Tarbuck bp 27 Aug
1797 son of Richard Tarbuck. labourer at St. Helen's Chapel, Prescot.
As for the census, hopefully someone out there will be able to help or
Knowsley Library seem to have a copy
http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/leisure/libraries/services/localhistory/census...
Juliet
----- Original Message -----
> What parish would I use to look for the christening of Joseph Tarbuck in
1799? I am at a real dead end with Joseph and his wife, Mary Singleton (b.
1801), who were married in Liverpool St. Peter in 1825.
>
> Their children were christened at Prescot, and I'm wondering if there's
any mention of them in the 1841 census. How can I get a copy of that
census?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> TIA.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
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Hi, Gary,
You ask
> Is it pretty much agreed that the Lancashire RADCLIFFEs/RATCLIFFEs are
descended from Ivo de TAILBOIS?
I have no knowledge of the RA(D/T)CLIFFE family as such but I would question
the validity of the suggestion that all those with this surname are
descended from Ivo de TAILBOIS. This is very similar to the suggestion that
all people named LANCASTER are descended from John o'Gaunt.
There are five main groups of English surnames according to "Debrett's
Family Historian" by N.Currer-Briggs and R. Gambier (1981), and others have
also expounded this idea. The groups are
1 Surnames from relationships, e.g. Johnson, Alisson
2 Surnames from offices, professions, e.g. Judge, Parson, Tailor
3 Surnames from places e.g. London, French, Hill
4 Surnames from plants, animals, e.g. Quince, Bull
5 Surnames from nicknames, e.g. Cruickshanks, Sharp
I subscribe to this idea. I think that there were any number of initial
people called LANCASTER. People who had moved from Lancaster to somewhere
else could have become known as "Name (John) from LANCASTER". As time
passed, the 'from' would have been dropped and this person would have
become, say, John LANCASTER. This seems a more likely idea to me than that I
am descended from John o'Gaunt. There is some support for this idea in that
a list of the community at Cockersands Abbey gives names and surnames and
all the surnames on the list are local villages. The lineages that purport
to show my connection to John o'Gaunt tend to jump a generation or two as
necessary.
I suspect that RADCLIFFE and RATCLIFFE originate in this manner.
Hope this helps
Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)
----- Original Message -----
From: <GaryIvoDe(a)aol.com>
To: <LANCSGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: [LAN] Ivo de Tailbois Descendants
>

Hmm
Helen - in effect you're requesting that I look through up to 108 records to see if any of them fits your assumptions. That's a rather tall order - I was hoping you'd return something like "in the Whitebirk area" that would narrow the search considerably
Eric
<<I am interested particularly in finding a Dinah Aspin or Thomas or Jane age about 20 to 30 as i have a Thomas & Jane on 1851 with a grand daughter Mary A and not sure who her parents are. PS i am assuming the above names from family naming traditions>>

Hi Sue,
I think the Forebridge will be a mistranscription. There is only
approximately one and a half miles between Colne and Foulridge, so I would
stick with Foulridge as being their actual place of birth. Colne is
sometimes used as a more generalised term for the whole area.
Regards,
Maureen
> On the 1881 census, I have a family's birthplaces recorded as Foulridge,
> Lancashire. On the 1891 census, I have the family's birthplaces recorded
> as Colne, Lancashire. On the 1901 census, I have the same family's
> birthplaces recorded as Forebridge. I don't understand the connection
> between Foulridge, Colne and Forebridge. Or do I have the wrong people
> with the same names? Any help in clarifying this confusion would be most
> appreciated.

Hi All:
I'm new to this list, and have been researching SAWDON in Yorkshire. I
came across the name Rickinson SAWDON, the two of these listed on IGI
being respectively a great-great grandfather and his uncle. However,
one died in Whitby in Sep 1845, the other in Whitby in Mar 1881. On 8
Apr 1842 a third Rickinson SAWDON married Mary WOOD at Manchester.
Rickinson 1 (uncle of 2) was still in Whitby, though his daughter Hannah
went to Liverpool and married Thomas KILLIP on 21 Apr 1843. Rickinson 2
(my ggf) was in Middlesbrough throughout the 1840's raising his six
children, and then lived in Whitby another thirty years, so clearly had
no connection to the 1842 Manchester marriage. Which leaves the
mystery: _Who was Rickinson 3 SAWDON?_
Rickinson SAWDON and Mary nee WOOD had several children in Manchester.
The IGI has records of some, others are on FreeBMD.
Rickinson and Mary's children:
Harriet Mary SAWDON chr. 17 Jun 1844 Cathedral Manchester
Emily SAWDON, chr. 2 Apr 1845, Cathedral, Manchester (twin of)
Jane Wood SAWDON chr.. 2 Apr 1845, Cathedral, Manchester
George Foden SAWDON, chr. 3 Nov 1847, Cathedral, Manchester
(no more through 1861)
George was born well after Rickinson 1 died in Whitby; another reason
why Rickinson 1 is not the one who married Mary WOOD.
There are other SAWDON marriages at Manchester and Liverpool:
Jane SAWDON to George HATHERSICH, Manchester, 27 Jan 1841 (in IGI and
FreeBMD)
Betsey SAWDON to one of four possibles - someone may know which one? -
Liverpool, Dec 1841
Elizabeth SAWDON to William SMALLWOOD, Sep 1846, Manchester
Hannah SAWDON to one of Francis BIRCH or Richard NALL, Jun 1852, Manchester
Benjamin SAWDON to Elizabeth BURKILL or ???, Dec 1869, Manchester
John Rickinson SAWDON to Lillian CHAPMAN or Ann Elizabeth DAVIS, Jun
1903, Glossop
(John was my greatuncle)
Other names including Rickinson and SAWDON are:
William Rickinson SAWDON, s/o Jane SAWDON, chr. 1850 Whitby (Jane was a
daughter of Rickinson 1).
Thomas Rickinson SAWDON, b. Mar 1873, Manchester
John Rickinson SAWDON (my greatuncle) b. Sep 1873 Whitby
More recent Manchester births:
Janet SAWDON b. Dec 1881 Manchester
Stanley Toogood SAWDON b. Sep 1883 Manchester
Ernest SAWDON b. Dec 1892 Manchester.
Of the above, the most intriguing to me are the various Rickinson names
Neither Rickinson nor Sawdon are very common, so the combination is
pretty rare. Of those I know t be in my family there is no doubt of the
relationships. But where does Rickinson 3 fit in this picture, and
was Thomas Rickinson SAWDON a grandchild of his? Did Rickinson 3 have
more than the three children mentioned above? I would greatly
appreciate any responses, on or off list, to this puzzle! Are there any
census records in Manchester that might help, in 1841 and later?
Regards
Martin Willcocks
Taylorsville, UT, USA.

In a message dated 2/28/2005 6:25:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
grammasue(a)cogeco.ca writes:
I will keep your email address and chat with you off-list if that is okay?
Of course. Anytime. There are many Radcliffe sites but I can't bore the
list with all of them.
Gary

I just wondered if there is SKS out in this vast fantastic network that could help me find the marriage and Father and Mother of some of my past family in Oldham ?
I have a James Jackson Cir 1802 in Oldham and a Esther Garforth born cir 1804 again in Oldham.
There children were:
Ann Jackson Born in Oldham
Mary Ann Jackson Born cir 1822 in Oldham
Sarah Jackson Born cir 1832 in Oldham
James Jackson Born cir 1834 in Oldham
John Jackson Born cir 1840 in Oldham
Esther Ann Born Jackson Born August 1843 in Waterhead Mill Oldham. Was this a building or a place ?? This was my Great Great Great Grandmother.
If indeed anybody knew what became of them, please e-mail me.
Thanks for any help
Regards
Steve Wright

In a message dated 2/28/2005 6:25:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
grammasue(a)cogeco.ca writes:
Although other members of
my family seem to remember grandparents talking about a castle of sorts in
Lancashire being in the family. I'm not sure if that was wishful thinking
or fact.
Radclyffe Tower still stands, tho' in ruins. There should be photos online
if you go to _www.google.com_ (http://www.google.com) and enter "Radcliffe
Tower" or "Radclyffe Tower"
and add Lancashire in nothing pops up.
I was mailed some fine shots a few years back of the place. If I lived
in Lancashire I would really like to see it. She also sent me a stone
from the Tower. Now that was thoughtful.
Gary

RE:
> This was so clumsily worded I think I should make it clearer:
Hi Gary:
Thanks for the clarification. It was a bit confusing, but that's Genealogy
for you, LOL. Thanks for the other links. I did have a look at them, but
only briefly. I will look at them again in more detail during the next day
or two. Just quickly glancing at all the RADCLIFFE/RATCLIFFE's, I don't see
much of a connection to my line of RATCLIFFE's. Although other members of
my family seem to remember grandparents talking about a castle of sorts in
Lancashire being in the family. I'm not sure if that was wishful thinking
or fact.
I will keep your email address and chat with you off-list if that is okay?
Regards,
Sue
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada

Hi Listers...it is very informative to read all the questions and answers...thanks to all. I am looking for:
1) the parents of Margaret HOWELL born 24 Dec 1781 in Ashton, Lancashire. She married John JACKSON 29 Dec 1801.
2) I am also looking for the death location of their son John JACKSON, born 5 Nov 1808 in Haydock and his wife Margaret NAYLOR born 9 oct 1808. Does any kind soul out there have any info on these people? I would appreciate any help at all. Thanks. Janet

This was so clumsily worded I think I should make it clearer:
================================================
Some Radcliffes will not match due to the Middle Ages marriages
between Radcliffe women who were spinsters and married men
who took the name Radcliffe because there were no sons to
carry on the name. But there must he thousands of them by now.
================================================
What I meant was that there were RADCLIFFE families who had
only daughters and no sons. In order for the name to be carried on,
the father of the family persuaded a non-RADCLIFFE man to marry
one of his daughters if he agreed to change his name to RADCLIFFE.
I've run across three instances of this occurring. The man became
the heir to the estate and everybody was happy...presumably.
Gary

Nicholas Radclyffe has kindly furnished us with the below portraits:
_http://don.ratcliff.net/tree/gallery.htm_
(http://don.ratcliff.net/tree/gallery.htm)
His DNA results will be in soon and if of interest I will share them
with the list with Nicholas' permission.
Some Radcliffes will not match due to the Middle Ages marriages
between Radcliffe women who were spinsters and married men
who took the name Radcliffe because there were no sons to
carry on the name. But there must he thousands of them by now.

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