samhill wrote:That being said I will once again thank everyone for paying for my CT scam & bone density test that I'm going to get at the VA today. I pay for my own HI but they refuse to pay for things done at the VA (because they can) so the taxpayer ends up paying, ain't life grand!

I just got back from the VA clinic myself. Why shouldn't the taxpayer pay for our VA benefits? We, a small minority of Americans, chose to protect the country and risk our lives for the freedoms that are now being pee'd away by an obscenely obese government that cannot control itself and chooses to cut our benefits while leaving the thousands of pork projects that they gave birth to to please someone and gain votes running happily along wasting billions. What really irritates the crap out of me is that we need wonderful PRIVATE organizations like Wounded Warrior Project to take care of our vets who gave great sacrifices for an out of control government that refuses to take care of them and ignores them like lepers. There should be NO NEED for these groups if we had a government that supported its military completely.

Tj, I was only speaking for myself & my situation, in my case I also pay for my own health insurance & if I would go to another regular hospital, out of state or even close to one of their hospitals they would pay but because it's the VA & they know I get free care they won't pay even when the VA sends them a bill because it's the Gov.. I feel that if I'm paying for a service then the provider should pay regardless of who or where it is done. That's another example of why the VA hospitals cost so much to run.

samhill wrote:Tj, I was only speaking for myself & my situation, in my case I also pay for my own health insurance & if I would go to another regular hospital, out of state or even close to one of their hospitals they would pay but because it's the VA & they know I get free care they won't pay even when the VA sends them a bill because it's the Gov.. I feel that if I'm paying for a service then the provider should pay regardless of who or where it is done. That's another example of why the VA hospitals cost so much to run.

This is one area that I feel is poorly represented. Vets should never pay 1 penny for medical care ever. And they should get the best available either VA or private whatever is necessary. If we can pay for someone else s 12.5 children then vets should not feel guilty ever about what services are provided to them at 0 cost.

samhill wrote:Always read the statements you are supposed to get of what was done & paid for, it can become very interesting.

Here's an interesting one from today's NY Times, relative to profiteering in health care:A teacher gets periodic infusions of a special drug for an unusual form of arthritis. Average cost of the drug itself is $1,200 for his relatively-high dose. His hospital was charging $19,000 for a three-hour infusion treatment. He switched to another hospital which charged $133,000 for the same three-hour treatment, and his insurance paid $100,000. What's wrong with this picture?

Dave you have to keep up. Obummercare is the health package offered to contractors stupid enough to go into the green zone... Death benefits are excluded. They were going to extract them with Ospreys but those planes are all committed to flying OBummers dogs around like last years vacation in Maine.

Into the valley of death rode the 300. If ISIS doesn't get you the VA will allow you to rot to death.

By the measures of the Heritage Foundation / Daily Signal, Obamacare will never do well, no matter how well it does. One thing intentionally ignored by fair and balanced folks like these, is that beyond the fairly impressive early enrollment are other reforms. For one, Obamacare has forced Insurance companies to sell real insurance, rather than sham insurance that can be cancelled as soon as you get sick. That alone is a dramatic improvement.

The trouble is rberg, socialized medicine in this country will never work until you tackle tort reform and we know that will never happen. So you can dream all you like it just will always be a pigs ear in the US.

By the measures of the Heritage Foundation / Daily Signal, Obamacare will never do well, no matter how well it does. One thing intentionally ignored by fair and balanced folks like these, is that beyond the fairly impressive early enrollment are other reforms. For one, Obamacare has forced Insurance companies to sell real insurance, rather than sham insurance that can be cancelled as soon as you get sick. That alone is a dramatic improvement.

The only draw back is people cannot afford it. I had good insurance before, I did not have birth control or some of the other things but I don't need it. My ins now is almost $1500 / month. that is more than my mortgage. It was around $600 or $700 before. So now I have to pay for the scum that want to sit at home and play with them selves instead of earning a living. I have no problem helping the underpaid that are trying and working. But if you look at how the subsidies are set up even they get shafted. This whole program is a really bad joke.