Those PC users will stop at nothing. We know that deep down they really want to own a Mac. Here's the first step for those die-hard PC users trying to come to grips with their true tendencies. Those guys sure went to a lot of trouble trying to convince their PC buddies that they only wanted to use the G4 case. Yeah, right. For those Mac users out there who can't stand to see guts–the guts of a Mac being mutilated by some crazy PC users–avoid reading this.

USER COMMENTS 39 comment(s)

ROFLOL(12:10pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)Yeah, I want to use a Mac… No thanks.

I'm getting close though with my Linux experience. Ximian GNOME looks strangely MACish… Probably because one of the GUI designers is from Apple.– by Chameleon

Actually,(1:24pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)Having always been an anti-trend person, if I had the money I'd get a Mac. Amongst a sea of Linux I'd proudly wave my Apple. – by Ziwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwi

Flame Bait(1:35pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)Could you try to run this section of the site just a little professionally. It's statements like those above that make Mac users look like self-righteous twits. – by kyle

Ha ha ha.(1:44pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)About the only thing good about a Mac is its fancy case, this PC user knew exactly where to put the guts, in the garbage. – by Whatever

well,(2:10pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)i say that mac hardware is pretty decent, but not something i would pay the huge amounts of money for like they currently demand.

i agree with kyle. whoever you are Shane, please try to not sound like an immature Mac zealot. i thought this was a news site, not a forum for brats. – by power_user

That poor chasey being raped of its pride and decency. Having bad hardware and a horrible OS on a perfect case.. It desevered so much more…

Whatever… I guess you don't know anything about hardware… heh – by clanjade

Get off it….(3:43pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)I work and play in both a PC and Mac environment. I prefere the Mac… but so what. If you don't like Macs, don't buy them. If you don't like PC's, don't buy them. Otherwise, don't complain about what someone else did or did not buy. – by -LiNMacAttack

If you (5:13pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)bothered to read the article, he orderd the case, not destroyed the o so good g4 processor. – by Logical Computers

PC on a g4(5:56pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)Heh I wouldn't mind running some decent OS's on a g4 since its really pretty damn fast but when it comes down to using mac software i just cringe P – by Bob

the perfect machine(5:57pm EST Tue Aug 28 2001)Lets face it folks, everyone knows the perfect machine is a g4 cpu, shit loads of DDR, a nice geforce3, and a nice robust unix based OS that supports directx…all in a clean little package. Taking that overpriced, over-ornate, mac-OS pile of shit and throwing it the trash!! – by CaSkater4

Or………(9:07am EST Wed Aug 29 2001)You can do this.

~demented/mac/home/ – by heheheh

I am Mac…(10:20am EST Wed Aug 29 2001)I would like to take the time to tell most of the Mac users on this forum (including the guy who wrote the initial discovey of this G4 that was assimilated into the PC collective) that you give all mac users a bad rp when you spout your retarded annoying us-vs.-them mac power trips. That kind of attitude aided in the decision to get rid of Steve Jobs a while back. And to the PC morons on this site, if you are so saticfied with the perfomance of your PC, then why bother talking trash to Mac users? Does it make you feel better? Or is it a sign of your insecurity about your own OS? All of you people give your OS users a bad rep, and your real computer users a head ache. In short, let us who know how to use our machines use them without hearing your insignificant dribble. – by G4orce

most pc users are so ignorant of mac software, they're just afraid to try it. they must be afraid they'd like it, and get made fun of by their friends.

whatever… use what you like to get your work done. or your play. whatever, like it really matters in the big scheme of life. – by dave

Fine, well mr. insecurity has this to say(6:57am EST Thu Aug 30 2001)I've used a mac system. I've used a PC. Now that you can't say i'm ignorant, listen to this. While using a mac, I couln't play Black and White. PC can. I hate those one button mouses, “two complex”… PC's have the advantage for versetality. But, when the gods of the computer strike down the unjust, linux will be all thats left… – by Logical Computers

Logical Computers?(11:09am EST Thu Aug 30 2001)Do not associate logic with your ignorant statement about computers. “I've used a mac system. I've used a PC. Now that you can't say i'm ignorant, listen to this.” Oh that's a perfect intro to a valid arguement, I can see what you're going to say is going to be trip.If you really did use the Macintosh ten you would know that the reason why there is a one button mouse is because that's what the opperating system demands. Windows needs two, Mac needs one. They are two different machines. Secondly, Mac has based much of their success on the versitile way the user can configure settings, applications, and so forth. You can't play Black and White on a Mac? Awe,.. poor baby. That's so terribly sad, really, it is. And finaly, Mr. Logical, Linux will run on any computer, that's just one of its many powers. So if Linux takes over the market when the “gods” strike down, I believe many people would like to have the security of well built hardware (Macintosh)along with the security of Linux. Oh wait, they've done that, it's called OS X. – by G4orce

still…..(12:03pm EST Thu Aug 30 2001)have not heard from the zealot who submitted this article…where are you? will you make this section of geek.com a little respectable or will continue to post this frigging flame bait?

yeah, g4orce, Apple took a unix kernel to build their new OS around because Apple decided that their own couldn't cut it anymore. When I can get a chance to try OS X perhaps all the annoyances of OS 9.x and below will go away. I think it is annoying to have to hold down a button on the keyboard rather than right click for menus. The way one navigates through folders is annoying. The fact i have to set the amount of memory a program can use is annoying. There is something to be said for letting the OS manage the memory. I find the concept of 50 billion extensions to be really annoying. but some people may find the interface more to their taste than others. I just don't like it. The hardware is undeniably kickass, but I disagree with clanjade. PC hardware is pretty good as well. Having used both, I find pc's to be more versitile hardware-wise, but mac hardware is pretty stable and powerful.

it should have been windows2000 instead of 98. might as well use the better MS OS… – by powerr_user

Still what?(6:19pm EST Thu Aug 30 2001)My post was not flame bait. I backed up each of my statements with real premises. The fact that the Macintosh does not have two buttons and as big of a game selection as PC's, is no grounds to say that the OS is worthless or whatever other misguided perception the average PC user has of the Mac OS. Even in your statement, a seasoned Mac user can see where your own experience with the Mac OS is minor at best. There are plenty of multi-programable mice for the Mac as there is for the PC. Holding down the Control Button in order to do a “control click” is a novelty. It is not detrimental to the OS's operation. Another point is that an experienced Mac user knows how to succesfully manage the control panels in his system. That is when managment is called for. Control Panels are still one of the biggest problem causers on the Mac, but fortunately have been all but solved in the latest update to the OS. For me, 9.1 is by far the best classic Mac OS there is as far as speed and dependability. OS X is definately a plus for the Mac community and truely offers a reasonable alternative to Windows machines. Keep in mind, I am the last person who would try to say “Buy a MAC cause they're so much better and PC's suck!” I'm all for purchasing the right machine for the users needs. (I sell computers) But saying that an OS is inferior without even having true experience with that OS is just an invalid arguement. – by G4orce

Now hold on there(6:33pm EST Thu Aug 30 2001)I never said that macs were useless. With the exception of the lack of games and the need for the keyboard, macs have their place in the market. I have used both, again. They both have their benefits, and disadvantages. Now, where did you get the idea of “less secure” hardware for linux? Last i checked, macs have internet access, like linux, which for new users, means that there will be viruses. I had forgot to mention (hey, it was, like, 6) that macs are great for graphics. There is truly no comparison. And yes, I have used a PC more than a mac, and i have used the macs, at best, perodically. Now, G4orce, other than the processor, what other hardware is there for a MAC that there isn't for a PC? Firewire is easily available for a PC. – by Logical Computers

Ok,.. lets slow it down,(8:06pm EST Thu Aug 30 2001)I didn't say that there was more harware for Macs. And as much as I hear about Mac's are the best for graphic, PC's are all but totally neck and neck along with performance. Being a Graphic Arts student myself, I prefere the Mac platform,.. but with the PC closing the gap on the graphics comparison, I believe the idea of using Macs for graphics is more of a status symbol saying that “I am for real” Kinda like a true hackers affiliation with RedHat, or a farmer with John Deer and Ford. I'm sorry for have gotten so heated over the subject, but it's quite frustrating after a while to hear so many people down on your computer of choice when you know it does just as much as any other computer does. What's even more frustrating are snobby little Mac users who seriously think they will change something by saying shit like “PC users deep down inside want to own a Mac” There is a kid up at my college who has that very Mac-Snob attitude, and wonders why we all threw him a blanket party.

Anyway, no-matter what way we slice it, the perfect computer is always going to be in the eyes of the experienced user.

I think all of us here let the babble of an unprofessional Mac Zealot get the best of our tech-oriented souls. – by G4orce

re: PC user & Mac wannabee(12:37am EST Fri Aug 31 2001)I'm surprised at so many uptight people.I own a recording studio and use both PC & MAC's and I have to say that YES, the PC is easier to afford and you can build it yourself BUT as the saying goes and always has, “You get what you pay for”Just in time I save alone using the MAC in the studio far out weighs the time I spend on the PC. The MAC is more reliable hands down with recording and editing. The MAC, (especially the G4 chip) in digital recording & editing still smokes the speed of even the P4.Not being a jerk here because I use both, I see the evidence first hand everyday. – by Rick H.

In reply to (7:45am EST Fri Aug 31 2001)G4orce – You said in one of the previous posts that “…the security of well built hardware (Macintosh)along with the security of Linux. Oh wait, they've done that, it's called OS X.” What hardware is not secure? And I know what you mean by those snobs. The only true reason to pick a g4 case over a reg 300w atx case is the looks. Its not we're a “PC user and Mac wanabee”.

In reply to (7:45am EST Fri Aug 31 2001)G4orce – You said in one of the previous posts that “…the security of well built hardware (Macintosh)along with the security of Linux. Oh wait, they've done that, it's called OS X.” What hardware is not secure? And I know what you mean by those snobs. The only true reason to pick a g4 case over a reg 300w atx case is the looks. Its not we're a “PC user and Mac wanabee”.

Rick H. Everything beats the P4. Try an athlon/athlon MP system. and if this is a tripple post, sorry – by Logical Computers

Lets clear it up…(10:05am EST Fri Aug 31 2001)PC hardware makers that I would not purchase hardware from for reliability,… Toshiba,Hewlet Pakard, anything made by Compaq. Even Dell with their notch up there at the top of the line has its bugs. I've seen all of these modles (except for Dell since we don't sell them) come back for repairs within even as little as a week after their purchase. On top of that there are hundreds of dollars being made each day by people coming in and purchasing a hard drive because it has conked out.. or a powersource has blown out. I'm not saying this doesn't happen to Macintosh hardware, but anyone can look at the statistics and see that the ratio is one sided towards the Mac as far as reliability in hardware. That's all that I was trying to get across. I have a few Linux guru friends who own PC and Mac hardware running Linux, they've all agreed that even the older iMac with the 233 or 333MHz G3 runs Linux just fine as any PC they had, but they haven't come acoss any need to change the internal drives or anything. (Which is a good thing, because I've ripped apart one of the older iMacs and it's not pretty)So that is what I mean by secure hardware. Hardware that has less of a tendency to conk out and leave you in a twist. – by G4orce

Developers, err… Stability.. Stability… Stability…(12:34pm EST Fri Aug 31 2001)As I see it, the lack of support by game developers is the only true defecit the Mac platform suffers from nowadays.

I have belonged to an Unreal Tournament clan for about 6 months now(semicolon) Most of our members are naturally x86 users, 2 even work for x86 OEM's themselves. On the other hand – 3 of us are die-hard Mac users, 2 of us are Designers (myself included) and the other just finds the Mac platform more copascetic to his computing needs. Yet another is an SGI admin in a 3D design lab who also has extensive knowledge of the other 2 plebeian computing platforms.

On more occasions than I care to recount, one of our x86 using members has posted in our forum a 'cry for help' about some hardware invisibility problem, corrupted hard drive, f-ed up MoBo, etc. etc. that just catches we the Mac minority completely off guard. We cannot even fathom our machines hiccuping and belching in this manner.

Now that i've played with XP a tad, I'm resolving to get an Athlon Dual to run the upcoming Unreal 2 title, and I suppose the other great games that are being developed on the Doom 3 engine… but i'm sure that machine will cause me to grow more grey hairs than I would really care to grow. Oh well… at least it wont have any of my REAL work stored on it and the occasional drive reformat won't cause me quite as many tears. Take care. – by Gropo

mice(2:15pm EST Fri Aug 31 2001)why all the fuss over 1-button mice? there are dozens of 3rd party input devices with 2, 3, 4, or more buttons. i'm using a logitech 2-button mouse right now. guess what… right button brings up the contextual menu. this mouse was under $10, shipped.

Black and White(11:43pm EST Fri Aug 31 2001)Check out and see that you will soon be able to play Black and White on a Mac. – by Malex

Re: Malex(6:44am EST Mon Sep 03 2001)Sweet – by Logical Computers

Oh! Now I see it…(10:59pm EST Mon Sep 03 2001)… this strange feeling of Deja Vu and suddenly… I remember… Yes!

It was all those lame Amiga/Atari users squabbling like a bunch of kids trying to decide who had the best computer… instead of using it…

Sheesh! – by BeenThere

What i don't get(9:15am EST Tue Sep 04 2001)is how the fact that i think the G4 case looks good makes me a mac wanabee – by Logical Computers

Shane(4:34pm EST Tue Sep 04 2001)Looks like you are trying to start a war here. You Mac-freaks whined and complained about getting a section, and you got one. Us PC users (not all necessarily Mac-haters) left you alone and let you talk up your systems but then you had to do something stupid like the way you wrote this article. It reminds me of Belfast where the RC and Protestants can't stop rubbing salt in each other's wounds.If you like Macs, fine. If you like PCs, fine. If you like both, fine. Let's have some peace and respect here.

If they were really Mac user wannabes, why didn't they just buy a Mac? Some of the newer games people want to play are on both platforms. – by G. Frederick

yo G…(4:49pm EST Tue Sep 04 2001)Nobody “whined and complained” about there not being a Mac section… It came about as a facet of uGeek's partnership with VersionTracker (originally a mac-only business)…– by Gropo

Macs in the business sector, are predominately for Graphix Dept's in almost ANY network, and PC machines are applied to the rest of the network. There is no argument to that comment, These machines all have there weak and strong suits. I myself am just a systems engineer, and have seen alot of design, as well as needs, and that is what my comment is based upon…Not who is right or wrong, since all of you are way out of line… – by Brad

fagz(9:15pm EST Sat Jan 05 2002)are you bragging or what “im a fag fucker engineer” and if we should go outside then why dont you fag. if you dont like computers then how the heck did you end up here!?!?!?!?!? and by the way that out of line comment sounded like shit – by internet admin

mac daddy(3:50pm EST Wed Oct 23 2002)The next gen macs will be running on a Pentium 5. Sweet. Apple will announce the implementation of the Pentium into the Mac OS next year.

Have fun…Fight less…2eachisown – by trent

Two button mouse…(4:29pm EST Wed Jan 14 2004)You people do realize, attach any two button USB mouse to a mac and it will work just fine. – by J-man

mac(11:16pm EST Thu Dec 29 2005)fucking nerds get a life u sad little twats why do macs use slower graphics cards if the main use is grafix – by melio