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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

But if you're Minny and you know Cleveland wants Love, there is no reason to not hold firm for Wiggins. The Cavs didn't get Lebron so he could play with Wiggins. I think that is clear. Minny should know that. If Cleveland can get Love without giving up Wiggins then great for them, but if I'm Minny I'm telling them to belly up to the bar if they want to pair Love with Lebron, and if I'm Cleveland I'm going to do that. I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that Waiters/Bennett/pick is that much better or even better at all than what Golden State or Boston can put together. Adding Thompson is a nice idea, but he's not the prize. And if you're Cleveland and you miss out on Love, then you're probably not winning the title this year, which they may be OK with, but I would guess they'd rather pair Love with Lebron now given the choice.

My point is simple, if the deal is inches away from being completed and hte only hold up is Minny on the other end saying you have to swap Wiggins for Waiters, then I'm doing that all day. Especially if you get to hang onto Thompson in that scenario.

It looks like GSW aren't even offering Klay Thompson. I'm not even sure what are they offering anymore? Barnes, Lee and maybe picks? Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on the bolded. Bennett looked really well towards the end of the season, Waiters is risky but he has lots of talent. And the Miami pick is top 10 protected and unprotected in 2017. That's potentially a fantastic pick. I don't think other offers that I've heard come even close, to be honest. But I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I just don't see it at all.

And then yep, the Cavs can keep going, they can add Thompson, they can add more picks. There would have to be some massive offers from other teams before the Cavs should think of offering Wiggins. It's very far from that right now, IMO.

You suggest the Wolves should act like tough guys. But they have far less leverage. How long do you wait if you are Minnesota? Cleveland can also be tough guys. LeBron has already signed there. Love has declared that he wants to be there. They can offer more than any other team even without including Wiggins/Kyrie. It would be kind of silly to just offer Wiggins out of the blue.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Miami, if they lose the Big 3, will IMO just circle the wagon, lots of short term deals and then clear space for an attempt at Durant in 2016. That seems more like the Riley thing to do. I originally thought Lance might be there, but I don't think Riley willw ant to pay him first banana money which is what they would need to do IMO to draw his attention.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Miami, if they lose the Big 3, will IMO just circle the wagon, lots of short term deals and then clear space for an attempt at Durant in 2016. That seems more like the Riley thing to do. I originally thought Lance might be there, but I don't think Riley willw ant to pay him first banana money which is what they would need to do IMO to draw his attention.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

It looks like GSW aren't even offering Klay Thompson. I'm not even sure what are they offering anymore? Barnes, Lee and maybe picks? Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on the bolded. Bennett looked really well towards the end of the season, Waiters is risky but he has lots of talent. And the Miami pick is top 10 protected and unprotected in 2017. That's potentially a fantastic pick. I don't think other offers that I've heard come even close, to be honest. But I suppose it's a matter of opinion. I just don't see it at all.

And then yep, the Cavs can keep going, they can add Thompson, they can add more picks. There would have to be some massive offers from other teams before the Cavs should think of offering Wiggins. It's very far from that right now, IMO.

You suggest the Wolves should act like tough guys. But they have far less leverage. How long do you wait if you are Minnesota? Cleveland can also be tough guys. LeBron has already signed there. Love has declared that he wants to be there. They can offer more than any other team even without including Wiggins/Kyrie. It would be kind of silly to just offer Wiggins out of the blue.

Maybe you're misunderstanding me and my original point, which is that Wiggins should not be the hold of getting a deal done. I never said they should offer Wiggins right away. But if that is what it will end up taking to make the deal then you do it IMO.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Miami, if they lose the Big 3, will IMO just circle the wagon, lots of short term deals and then clear space for an attempt at Durant in 2016. That seems more like the Riley thing to do. I originally thought Lance might be there, but I don't think Riley willw ant to pay him first banana money which is what they would need to do IMO to draw his attention.

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This would be the Pacers year to make a run to the Finals and lose in 5 games to the Spurs or Thunder, if Love doesn't go to Cleveland and Carmelo stays away from Chicago. Oh and we have to resign Lance for this to be possible.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Miami, if they lose the Big 3, will IMO just circle the wagon, lots of short term deals and then clear space for an attempt at Durant in 2016. That seems more like the Riley thing to do. I originally thought Lance might be there, but I don't think Riley willw ant to pay him first banana money which is what they would need to do IMO to draw his attention.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

This would be the Pacers year to make a run to the Finals and lose in 5 games to the Spurs or Thunder, if Love doesn't go to Cleveland and Carmelo stays away from Chicago. Oh and we have to resign Lance for this to be possible.

Well we certainly do not have any competition on this just yet. The ball is in Born Ready's court from what we hear.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Well don't explain why you seem to like win shares in the NBA. It's such a team game. Certainly there are a few guys that can carry their team, but you want to buy win shares for a guy that can't even get his team to .500. I just think that's ridiculous.

It's a team game......but you blame Love for "not getting his team" to .500 in the western conference? Have you seen that roster?

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

I swear to God......if this Melo-Drama and now KLove drama continues to freeze the Free Agent Market......cuz Teams may want to hold out to see if they can get into any of the action when it comes to dumping salary....I'm gonna lose it.

Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.