Misdemeanors? NO guns for you!

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You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, "I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along." . . . You must do the thing you think you cannot do. Eleanor Roosevelt

What get's me is how in the heck did a woman in a town of 1260 get denied by the FBI?

Was she put in a national database?

OK...she is a "fugitive from justice"...although she didnt even know it until I told her. She thought that she had taken care of it before hand, but someone didnt update the database.

So apparently a misdemeanor warrant is exactly the same as a felony warrant. Meaning that spitting on the sidewalk and forgetting to pay the fine is no different than mudering someone...because the result is the same. You get DENIED.

I'll bet the anti's are laughing their tails off at that one.
The dispatcher told me that they were contacted by the FBI, which I have no reason to doubt, because otherwise they would have never known that she was trying to buy a rifle. Which FBI, I cant say. I'm guessing it was the national database from NICS,which is run by the FBI.

Once something is relegated to the computer, there is no gray, only black or white. An unintended consequence is the lack of common sense.

This^

Apparently the computer automatically defines "fugitive status" if you dont show up and stays that way unless someone fixes it.

Re: Misdemeanors? NO guns for you!

Originally Posted by HotGuns

What get's me is how in the heck did a woman in a town of 1260 get denied by the FBI?

Was she put in a national database?

There has been a push fore several years now (really since 9/11) to funnel more information about local criminal (and some non-criminal) activities up to the feds in hopes of detecting some sort of a pattern that might otherwise be missed. This is what the fusion centers are supposed to be up to. Imagine if this lady had also recently withdrawn a large sum of money from her bank account in order to buy a used car. The "know your customer" banking regulations require her bank to report this. Now imagine her brother recently bought a large quantity of fertilizer for his farm. Fertilizer companies supposedly report this. Throw in an attempt to buy a firearm and things could get interesting in a hurry.

Idiotic for a misdemanor warrant to apply....... but good to know too. Next, the "Progressives" will want you not to be able to buy guns if you have any misdeamnor at all ...... just watch. Let's not give them any ideas.

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Reasons You Can Be Denied a Firearm Transfer
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Prohibitive Criteria for Firearm Transfers
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I am in absolute, 100%, complete agreement with everyone else with regards to how ridiculous this is. I also agree that the slipper slope argument applies and that before all is said and done, people will get denied for all sorts of frivolous reasons that have to do with private transactions and that private companies will undoubtedly be able to add you to the database and you will be hard pressed to counter it. For those who don't think that it can happen, just look at the credit monitoring system as model paradigm.

About a year or so ago, a discussion came up on a regional forum (link) about running an NICS check at the time of the transaction on people who have already obtained the proper purchase papers. This thread came about because of someone who was denied purchase because of an UPCOMING COURT DATE FOR A SPEEDING TICKET!

In the state of NC, those who have a concealed carry permit may purchase and it is not required to run an NICS check on the transaction. One store owner thought that it was a good idea to do so, but many forum members, including myself disagreed. My argument was that in obtaining the carry permit that I had already been through a more rigorous check than the NICS and that per the state laws it is not required to run additional checks. I acknowledged that while it was the store owners prerogative to do so, that there were many other stores that did not and that all things being equal would choose to do business where the did not run checks above and beyond those required. From what I recall, based upon the discussion, the store owner agreed with this reasoning and changed his practices.

She wasnt denied for having a misdemeanor on her record but just for the misdemeanor warrant. At least that can be removed!

I am surprised also that the fbi got involved. But i did hear about a similar instance where a person walked into a lgs and filled out te form for a pistol. He was denied because of his criminal record (non felony) and he had a low bond, non-extraditable warrant from 3 states away. "Somebody" called local pd dispatch and dispatch tried to send a uniform over there. The seasoned uniform asked about the warrant and asked if the denied person was causing a disturbance. It turns out the denied guy said, "ok sorry to waste your time," and left peacefully. Dispatch said that he had an extensive drug history, but the warrant was for a petty offense. Did the system work like it was supposed to? I dont know 100% but my gut feeling is yes.

I dont want to deny anyone from gun ownership unless they have lost that right through their own actions.

And the lady with the misdemeanor warrant? Go pay your fees get it in writing that the warrant is removed and go get your gun. Easy. Should it prevent her from being a gun owner? No but its a good way to get tickets paid.

Here in colorado if you let a ticket go unpaid long enough your drivers license gets suspended until you take care of the ticket. Get behind on child support? Or court ordered SR22 insurance? Same thing, license suspension until you are paid up.