"To the men, I say listen. Listen to what women are saying about this. To the women, I say now that we've heard you, you know, shut the fuck up for a minute. And let's all get back together and kill the Jews." - Louis CK

cbarlow1016 wrote:Nice summary. And thanks for all the insight, guys. Can't wait for the sexist law school culture awaiting me.

Do you really think that the posters in this thread have been sexist? Or they reacted poorly to you because you were standing up for women's rights?

A few have been sexist (in terms of commenting on my appearance or attacking me as opposed to addressing the actual issue), a few have been willing to have an actual conversation and I appreciate their insight and ability to use logic, and a few may have not intended to be offensive but their comments concern me because they're entirely dismiss me and minimize the issue I was trying to address.

cbarlow1016 wrote:Nice summary. And thanks for all the insight, guys. Can't wait for the sexist law school culture awaiting me.

Do you really think that the posters in this thread have been sexist? Or they reacted poorly to you because you were standing up for women's rights?

A few have been sexist (in terms of commenting on my appearance or attacking me as opposed to addressing the actual issue), a few have been willing to have an actual conversation and I appreciate their insight and ability to use logic, and a few may have not intended to be offensive but their comments concern me because they're entirely dismiss me and minimize the issue I was trying to address.

You're calling this comment on your appearance sexist?

warandpeace wrote:OP, you're cute

Not necessarily sexist, but dismissing my thoughts because of my appearance. It's like, oh she's cute, who cares what she has to say.

I've been waiting all day to post that. Honestly, that original meme wasn't that funny, but I also didn't find it that offensive either. And I think it's a pretty huge stretch to judge someone's morality, ethics, etc on their sense of humor. I mean humor is supposed to be absurd and the best kind really makes you think. Is George Carlin funny? Yes. Eddie Murphy (back in his Raw days), Richard Pryor, Eddie Izzard? Monty Python? I mean all of them push boundaries, make you think, and offend some sub group. Anyway, I guess my point is if everyone just chilled out and didn't immediately get offended when someone said something they disagreed with or that was a pet cause or something dialogue about these kinds of issues would probably be more effective. Also, an anonymous internet message board is probably not the best place to start trying to change hearts and minds.

cbarlow1016 wrote:Not necessarily sexist, but dismissing my thoughts because of my appearance. It's like, oh she's cute, who cares what she has to say.

When I came in, the thread title was "." and you had outed your fb. The comment was directed at your fb photo album.

Ok, yes I deleted the initial posts because of people's reactions. My point was just that as someone who has experienced domestic violence, I didn't think the argument was appropriate; everyone feels differently, but my background has taken me to the place where I can't take jokes about this.

That's completely understandable, but your posts had an undertone that went something like this: "This meme is literally objectively offensive, and if you disagree with me, you're against women's rights." It came across as insufferably self-righteous; it was almost as if you thought you're the only person here who's experienced domestic violence, or like you think more men being LSAT prep instructors somehow had something to do with that kind of meme, etc.

cbarlow1016 wrote:Not necessarily sexist, but dismissing my thoughts because of my appearance. It's like, oh she's cute, who cares what she has to say.

When I came in, the thread title was "." and you had outed your fb. The comment was directed at your fb photo album.

Ok, yes I deleted the initial posts because of people's reactions. My point was just that as someone who has experienced domestic violence, I didn't think the argument was appropriate; everyone feels differently, but my background has taken me to the place where I can't take jokes about this.

That's completely understandable, but your posts had an undertone that went something like this: "This meme is literally objectively offensive, and if you disagree with me, you're against women's rights." It came across as insufferably self-righteous; it was almost as if you thought you're the only person here who's experienced domestic violence, or like you think more men being LSAT prep instructors somehow had something to do with that kind of meme, etc.

Ok, I get that, and I admit that I was perhaps overly emotional in my initial posts. I apologize if my emotions got the better of me. It's not objectively offensive, And I most certainly did not mean that I'm the only person who has experienced domestic violence--I have worked with so many domestic violence survivors, particularly children; again, this perhaps causes me to be overly emotional. I didn't mean to attack anyone, I just thought that it was inappropriate for a test prep company to post.

A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A wrote:When I came in, the thread title was "." and you had outed your fb. The comment was directed at your fb photo album.

Ok, yes I deleted the initial posts because of people's reactions. My point was just that as someone who has experienced domestic violence, I didn't think the argument was appropriate; everyone feels differently, but my background has taken me to the place where I can't take jokes about this.

That's completely understandable, but your posts had an undertone that went something like this: "This meme is literally objectively offensive, and if you disagree with me, you're against women's rights." It came across as insufferably self-righteous; it was almost as if you thought you're the only person here who's experienced domestic violence, or like you think more men being LSAT prep instructors somehow had something to do with that kind of meme, etc.

Ok, I get that, and I admit that I was perhaps overly emotional in my initial posts. I apologize if my emotions got the better of me. It's not objectively offensive, And I most certainly did not mean that I'm the only person who has experienced domestic violence--I have worked with so many domestic violence survivors, particularly children; again, this perhaps causes me to be overly emotional. I didn't mean to attack anyone, I just thought that it was inappropriate for a test prep company to post.

SemperLegal wrote:I think I can mediate from the center. After all, I am half women, on my mothers side.

A few novel things occurred today:

An Berkeley Undergrad is offended by the white, patriarchal machineAnonymous internet posters are crass to a woman.A complaint about offensive memes about violence towards women is plastered with offensive memes about violence/Random, low post count posters defend her.No ones mind is changed.

Nice summary. And thanks for all the insight, guys. Can't wait for the sexist law school culture awaiting me.

Do you really think that the posters in this thread have been sexist? Or they reacted poorly to you because you were standing up for women's rights?

A few have been sexist (in terms of commenting on my appearance or attacking me as opposed to addressing the actual issue), a few have been willing to have an actual conversation and I appreciate their insight and ability to use logic, and a few may have not intended to be offensive but their comments concern me because they're entirely dismiss me and minimize the issue I was trying to address.

1) I would tend to agree with you some about comments that go to appearance, but, TBF, warandpeace is a female who I don't think was using cute to refer to your appearance (on p. 2 she says she isn't on FB, so I doubt she was looking through your pictures).

2) As for the anything that was close to a conversation that happened--that was because certain posters had to be patient and try to coax you into actually having a discussion. You were pretty defensive and aggressive when you first started posting--usually something that will prevent any sort of discussion on the internet since it will just devolve quickly at that point (especially since people will just try to egg you on at that point and add fuel to the fire).

3) Regarding you concern about people dismissing you and minimizing the issue you were trying to address: I might fit into this category, but I don't think I was dismissive of domestic violence at all. I just think that having an attitude that there are general topics that should never be included in a joke is silly, and, even if accepting the premise that some topics should never be made fun of, in this particular case the actual joke was making fun of Chris Brown and his bad behavior (not making fun of victims, not promoting violence, not promoting sexism, etc.). I don't think the joke doesn't make either Chris Brown or punching women look good or desirable.

I think Domestic violence is a very real and terrible problem. And I think Chris Brown is most likely a pretty terrible person. The fact I can find humor (some, not a lot, since it wasn't very funny simply as a joke) in a meme that makes fun of Chris Brown punching things doesn't change my opinion on those two points at all.