Except humanity as our modern self is only around 50,000 to 20,000 years old. People like to throw numbers around like 500,000 years or more. But
those were our ancestors of the homo erectus lineage, as well as others such as homo rhodesiensis. We, as we are today, can only be said to be around
50,000 years old with the advent of Behavioral modernity. Some say the speech centers of or form weren't fully developed until 20,000 years ago. So
we're looking at, at most, maybe 3-4 repeats of all history. Of course, if we cut out the fat, all that modernity could be compressed into just
3000-2000 years, thus perhaps allowing a couple more redos.

And I agree there. Therefore the only logical conclusion would be that they were either very primitive and did not leave any evidence as we would at
this point or that no major civilizations existed.

Don't get me wrong, I think there is much more to it than what approved history teaches us but we have to remain realistic. No sufficiently advanced
civilization would be wiped clean in 20k years. So I hope we find some evidence.

OP, I have tears in my eyes! Finally, someone sees it the way I see it. Cavemen were the remnants of a destroyed empire. Yes. Please give me more
of your insight. You have the right idea.

yes the image we have of prehistoric people with shaggy long hair dressed in animal skins and throwing spears at mammoths are actually the
survivors of a self inflicted holocaust,struggling to live.and here we are again,standing on the edge of disaster and after the next nuclear war is
unleashed,and the poles shift again and another ice age occurs with mountains of frozen snow advancing across the continents crushing everything in
their path, all that will be left alive are small bands of people suddenly hurdled back into the stoneage with food,shelter and clothing their only
major concerns,not what size television to buy anymore, they will live among wild animals and sit around fires near mountains of ice and tell stories
about myths and legends of forgotten worlds and lost ways of life that will just happen to be about the world we are living in right now...its
really,really sad...

You obviously skipped alot of reading and jumped to.conclusions. there are numerous examples in this thread as to how the slate could have been wiped
clean. Many of which that we're factual events. For example polar shift, rising ocean levels, flood, ice age.

Originally posted by bloculawww.bibliotecapleyades.net... i believe that human civilizations on earth have risen and fallen over
and over again down through the ages. these now forgotten civilizations seem erased because of time,erosion,supression of information by the
mainstream and the powers that be, who seek delusional refuge in knowing that their people are led astray from the truth and are trained to think and
live half asleep. wandering lost in a fallen world of greed and blind denial of the fact that we've done this all before. we reach a point where we
cant handle our own technology anymore and we self destruct. we recreate our own monsters again and again,they rise up and destroy their creators.
atlantis is a good example of what i am saying and this self inflicted disaster is about to happen to us again.the twentieth century,a century of
supposed progress and technological marvel is actually a century of neverending war,genocide and destruction on a scale far worse than all other
periods in history combined. we have refined the demented art of killing off nature and eachother. if just five or ten nuclear power plants were to
reach critical mass,break open and release their radioactive contents simultaneously,we would be in a horrible situation.the hellish risks that these
things pose far outweigh their benefits and they should have never received the green light at all. we are being driven fast,without brakes,down a one
way road of apocalyptic destiny that will result in our destruction once again...

There is no archeological evidence to suggest there were civilzations beyond 12,000 B.C.E., or if there is, it hasnt been discovered yet. You make
bold accusations and back it up with no evidence. I'm not saying i totally disagree with everything you've said. Whatever green light youre talking
about, i don't think this has anything to do with the comic book superhero Green Lantern. Humans have been killing eachother for quite a long time,
yet there is no evidence to suggest that we have made war on eachother further back than 12,000 years.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net... theres page after page here in this link filled with evidence. at the
bottom of the first page click on the word "return" and you'll see and read what i mean...

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given)

yes here theres so much information in this link ^^^ its unbelievable... but true

Originally posted by MichelJCardin
Will we be called second era of cavemen one day?

we wont even have time to think about the previous era of stoneage people when we find
ourselves in the same situation....mostly thanks to our fearless leaders and their hellbent for nuclear weapons race of the past 65 years...

Yes, sir. I believe you are on the right track. Our history is broken, that I am convinced. Whether through ignorance or nefarious means I do not
know. Many glaring examples are found in ancient constructs. I also doubt the dating of different sites and artifacts. And why start the calendar
again at year 1? Really? THAT was a point of rebirth in this world. But why? Why then, and why did it become the standard rebirth of time. Because
that's when Christ was born? I might buy that if the coming of Christ, whatever that might be, was a significant world event.

The Earth has seen many changes and different periods of life. I think we may be on the cusp of the next one. We're in such a digital, paper and
plastic phase. If the world burns tomorrow there would be not much left but ash and stone. Probably more ash. Not a whole lot different
than my archeology books.

If I were part of an ancient advanced civilization and wanted future people to know we existed, I would put some kind of marker in space, on the moon
or even mars. It wouldn't make sense to put it on earth considering we could destroy it here. When the future civilizations got to the point of
having the technology to view distant places like the moon or mars I would put a huge sign.

I'd ask you to look at the Minoans. No, they weren't some ultra advanced people. But for all intensive purposes, they were about 300-400 years behind
us... In the year 1500BC. Their architecture was amazing, and their technical skills unheard of. Better than even the Egyptians.

Again, I'm not saying that they were some super advanced civilization. But this is pretty advanced for its time period. It doesn't have to be a
complete fall. Just look at our modern era. We're going through some strange massive forgetting of our past and our principals. All it would take is
that, and suddenly 3 generations later we've forgotten how to produce concrete and its all downhill from there.

Oh and I do believe the link in the OP depicts evidence of ancient nuclear technology

Yes, fully aware of it but I did not wish to comment on the article step by step.

Ancient nuclear reactors are a very interesting topic and one of my favorites. Some have been found that would suggest there were a civilization more
advanced than ours 2 billion years ago in Africa!

Others found have been proven to be natural nuclear reactors, 10 to 15 thousand years ago.

I'm open to every and all possibility, but all I ask for is that we remain realistic. Saying there would be nothing left of us in a couple of
thousand years is not very correct and therefore, at least for me, draws the focus away from the remaining material.

Khar

p.s. Oh and don't assume people didn't read everything and use that as a retort

So the Stone Henge which was built, what, about 10k years ago would be gone in the next 1000?

The pyramids? Great Wall? Not to mention all the concrete and steel construction which is built even tougher.

Ok, did some light research just now and I think the figure we're looking for is 50,000 years. In 50k years human civilization would be
unrecognizable, another 150k years for all traces of our nuclear technology to disappear.

There may be even better articles out there, I apologize but I did not dig very deep.

Khar

these structures that you mention and all our buildings and bridges and houses are constantly being repaired and fixed up...when we are
once again thrown back into a stoneage state, who will be looking after and taking care of these things...no one!...they will become rubble and then
eventually dust...

I recently begin reading William Bramley's book gods of Eden and thought his claims were way more interesting and consistent then the television
series. Bramley explains his theories on how aliens have had a long-lasting mostly negative impact on human existence. He begins with the ancient
Sumerian texts in which the Sumerians write about how the gods became tired of mining on their own and created a new species by putting a god to death
and mixing it with clay, a process that was possibly genetic engineering. The end result was homo sapien sapiens, a byproduct of the gods and the
original homo sapiens. The original homo sapiens or homo sapien neanderthalensis also disappeared at the same time homo sapiens sapiens appeared
suggesting that the gods might have exterminated the original homo sapiens to make room for the new slave race. Ancient tablets credit one god in
particular EA as being creator of the slave race. EA is described as being sympathetic to his creation fighting for them to gain spiritual knowledge
in contrast to his half-brother Enlil who wanted them to suffer and would call for famines and plagues when they got too noisy. Eventually Enlil
called for a great flood to wipe out the homo sapiens. It seems to be agreed that many archeologists believe there was a great flood in the near east
thousands of years ago. The Epic of Gilgamesh claims how a Babylonian named Utnapishtim was approached by EA and told that a wipe out of homo sapiens
sapiens was planned. He was instructed to gather his family and livestock and build a ship to survive the flood which they did. This story is
strikingly similar to Noah's ark as is the story of Adam and Eve. The god or lord god of the bible's Adam and Eve can be translated as the original
god of earth. The story which is entirely symbolic says how Adam who is first man, was created by god from the dust of ground an idea reflected from
the older belief that people were created partly with clay. Adam's wife Eve was also created artificially and they lived in the Garden of Eden where
they were told that all of their physical needs would be met as long as they obeyed their masters and stayed in the garden. They were also told never
to eat fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which symbolizes an understanding of ethics and justice or the tree of life which represents
how to retain one's spiritual identity and immortality. A snake convinces them to eat fruit from the tree and become like the gods. The gods did not
want mankind to be able to spiritually recover as it would be difficult to make people who maintained their integrity and sense of ethics slaves and
even harder when those same individuals are undowed by physical threats because of a reawakened grasp of their spiritual immortality. The gods wanted
to permanently attach the spiritual beings to their bodies so they used the flaming sword to prevent them from gaining spiritual knowledge and never
rising above material existence. A common misconception is that Adam and Eve were embarrassed about being naked as they ate from the tree of knowledge
but it was not being naked that shamed them it was what nakedness represented. Ancient Mesopotamian records depict human beings as being naked while
working while the gods were fully clothed. The implication is that Adam and Eve were degraded by their nakedness because it was the sign of their
enslavement not that being naked in itself is bad. The brotherhood of the snake was created by EA and was devoted in the beginning to helping humans
achieve spiritual salvation however were incapable to do so much like the snake in the Adam and Eve. EA was villonized his title changed from Prince
of Earth to Prince of darkness and was labeled Satan or the mortal enenmy of a supreme being and keeper of hell. The brotherhood of the snake created
a group of one god religions that such as Islam,Christianity, and Judiasm to keep people divided and created apocalyptic beliefs that constant final
battles are necessary to achieve a new period of spiritual salvation. In my personal opinion and I may be wrong but it appears today most religions
including Christianity and Islam calling for final battles with Christianity warning of an Antichrist that will lead people to one other religion and
one government, things that would probably be beneficial in a sense of being united but things the gods don't want. The Tower of Babel bibel story
suggests that the gods would rather have a group of people disunited and unable.to speak the same language, a bad position for the human race and
something that contrasts greatly with what our gods are supposed to want for us. Also Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Satan was originally a perfect
angel who developed feelings of self-importance and craved worship. Satan caused Adam and Eve to disobey God, and humanity subsequently became
participants in a challenge involving the competing claims of Jehovah and Satan to universal sovereignty.[153] Other angels who sided with Satan
became demons.
I mean serously for real?

And this is exacly what we are currently not doing. All our combined human knowledge is.recorded electronically or on paper, two mediums that would
not survive over a hundred years of neglect should civilization be destroyed tomorrow. Besides what would be the purpose of leaving a vault of
knowledge? Currently in society we place war and money ahead of education. You couldn't find a single govt that would spend a dime on such a project.
And even if you did for what purpose would we leave it? Nobody would like to believe we will eventually destroy ourselves. Committing to such a
project would be akin to saying the world is going to end tomorrow.

If civilization were to.end It would probably happen so fast that there wouldn't be any time to store our collective knowledge anyway.

So you people really think that ALL traces of our modern society would be wiped out?

more lulz..

Losing electricity would wipe out most of our modern society all by itself. After that it would just take time. The amount of time is in question here
not the validity that time would erase everything.

Maybe the first advanced civilization existed here a billion years ago, would you argue that a billion years isn't long enough?

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