Politically, this is the correct move for the GOP, as Congressional Democrats seem to have learned absolutely nothing from 2010 and are falling all over themselves in order to distance themselves from it.

Hey, assholes: you're going to be tagged with the ACA for the midterms regardless of what you do, so farking nut up and embrace the single largest Democratic policy achievement in decades.

Honestly the rhetoric has been so wide-spread around this topic that I am sure many of the GOP feel it is a "job killer" and that if removed companies would be free to plow any cost of the ACA into hiring workers. They have been schooled for so long that profit drives hiring and most fail to understand that profit pays for hiring but demand drives hiring.

qorkfiend:Politically, this is the correct move for the GOP, as Congressional Democrats seem to have learned absolutely nothing from 2010 and are falling all over themselves in order to distance themselves from it.

Hey, assholes: you're going to be tagged with the ACA for the midterms regardless of what you do, so farking nut up and embrace the single largest Democratic policy achievement in decades.

MFAWG:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Nothing that didn't involve a war. This is completely off the map

Not even. Democrats were expressing reservations about the way the wars were being prosecuted, not demanding immediate withdrawals, and let's remember what the Democrats did about the wars when they got control of Congress in 2006:

They can attack Obamacare all they want, so long as I get to keep my kids on the insurance papers until they're 26, have pre-existing conditions covered, have no lifetime cap on my policy (or anyone covered under it), and the insurance company can't game the demographics, spend more than 20% of their collected premia on "overhead", or rescind a policy over years-old data that no one cared about before a claim was filed.

So basically, fix the workings of the online part of the exchanges, and we're good.

MFK:Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

Talk to some vets of the Afghan and Iraq wars. But no you're right, health insurance reform is way worse.

And then there was Jimmy Carter setting a program that gave free houses to brown people, knowing full well that it would take 35+ years to actually do its damage and crater the economy.

Yeah...no. If you're talking about the people 'losing their plans', first of all much of that isn't the fault of the ACA, it's the fault of insurers taking advantage of being able to blame the ACA to kill existing plans and replace them with more expensive ones. Secondly, and more importantly, the number of people in this category is significantly overblown. The GOP is mining this group for anecdotal evidence like it was the California gold rush.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

It's weird how a poor website rollout is indication that he "blew it" and that the entire law is crap. Because of a crappy website.

Trivia Jockey:I fear the GOP is going to take seats in these midterms.

It's going to get much, much worse before it gets better.

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This is really going to screw with my generation, as we can't find jobs to begin with. Also, fully expecting my reproductive rights to be kicked out the door if the GOP wins seats. Seriously America, is that what you want?!?!I'd really just like a stable, well-paying job, but maybe that's me.

jjorsett:Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

son, you hit every branch of the stupid tree when you fell out, didn't you?

You're right, he staked his reputation on Obamacare and making healthcare a possibility to everyone. You think there's a problem with it? Then what's your solution to fix it? And it can't be repeal, I want to hear a substantial policy change that you would implement or like to see the GOP implement instead. So do you want to go back to the old system that cost us astronomical amounts of money or do you want single-payer? What is your alternative to Obamacare. I want to hear it.

raerae1980:Trivia Jockey: I fear the GOP is going to take seats in these midterms.

It's going to get much, much worse before it gets better.

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This is really going to screw with my generation, as we can't find jobs to begin with. Also, fully expecting my reproductive rights to be kicked out the door if the GOP wins seats. Seriously America, is that what you want?!?!I'd really just like a stable, well-paying job, but maybe that's me.

I would submit that a large chunk of America doesn't care, because they can't be bothered to show up and vote.

Keep in mind that Obama would still be Presidentin' with his veto pen should the GOP take control of the Senate, and there's no scenario in which the GOP gets the two-thirds majority in both houses that would be needed for a veto override.

Sadly, the headline is completely accurate. You know, you're supposed to be able to multi-task. Your'e supposed to be able to pursue your political strategy while at the same time carrying out the people's business. This is the first time I can recall that one of the parties has put aside all legislative activities to concentrate exclusively on achieving its political goals. The only reason they can do this is because their core constituency agrees that regaining control of the government is more important than responsibly participating in governance, and is actually willing to suffer economically if it means that the other party is defeated. The fact that this constituency is large enough to ensure continued control at the state level (through creative gerrymandering), not large enough to achieve permanent success at the national level, and both willing and eager to accept unpleasant consequences for itself if it means its political opponents will suffer as well, does not bode well for the Republic.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

You and the other roughly 17% of Americans who think the ridiculous things you think need to quit discussing your dystopian fantasies as if they were facts.

somedude210:So do you want to go back to the old system that cost us astronomical amounts of money or do you want single-payer? What is your alternative to Obamacare. I want to hear it.

Because I'm young and healthy I used to have a fairly inexpensive policy that cost $110/mo. The other side of "pre-existing conditions can't be used to deny you coverage" is that "living a healthy lifestyle doesn't save you money." Going on the exchange the CHEAPEST packages are over $100/mo more expensive and have higher deductibles than my old plan. For me, personally, the old "astronomical amounts of money" system gave me better care for a lower price so that would be better. Make no mistake, every young healthy person got screwed by this change. Much like every other facet of life we're footing the bill for baby boomers who lived their life with little to no foresight whatsoever.

jjorsett:MFK: Just asking: have the Democrats ever done this sort of thing to any Republican legislation or are we in uncharted waters with this crap?

Name some GOP legislation that hosed this number of people this badly this visibly for this long and into the foreseeable future. Obama staked his reputation and legacy on "this crap" and blew it really really really really really badly, and now he and his Democrat confreres are going to have it hung around their necks for as long as it continues to be an issue, which is to say, forever.

Democrats are such farking wimps it's sickening. So what the Republicans want to keep the ACA up front, stop running from it and say "yeah, it helps a lot of people sorry you Republicans hate Americans and want them to die." Start using harsh rhetoric and stop running, it's the only way this issue won't bite in the ass, hard.

Feehery said Republicans should focus on delaying the law's implementation - perhaps in exchange for lifting the debt ceiling. "That's achievable," he said. "The Obama administration itself is delaying bits and pieces of this thing all over the place. If they can get delay as part of the debt limit I think that would be a pretty big achievement."

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

They're actually floating the idea of shutting down the government and/or defaulting on our debts again as a negotiating tactic.

the_geek:The other side of "pre-existing conditions can't be used to deny you coverage" is that "living a healthy lifestyle doesn't save you money."

The other side of that is that living a healthy lifestyle doesn't prevent you from getting a debilitating disease. You don't have to be a smoker to get lung cancer. You don't have to drink AT ALL to get cirrhosis. You don't have to be overweight to get diabetes.

Previously, those conditions would have cost you your life, because insurance would have dropped you the second you were diagnosed. So again...come up with a better answer.

And no, every single solitary young healthy person did NOT get screwed by this.

the_geek:somedude210: So do you want to go back to the old system that cost us astronomical amounts of money or do you want single-payer? What is your alternative to Obamacare. I want to hear it.

Because I'm young and healthy I used to have a fairly inexpensive policy that cost $110/mo. The other side of "pre-existing conditions can't be used to deny you coverage" is that "living a healthy lifestyle doesn't save you money." Going on the exchange the CHEAPEST packages are over $100/mo more expensive and have higher deductibles than my old plan. For me, personally, the old "astronomical amounts of money" system gave me better care for a lower price so that would be better. Make no mistake, every young healthy person got screwed by this change. Much like every other facet of life we're footing the bill for baby boomers who lived their life with little to no foresight whatsoever.

Yeah, young, healthy people never have any sort of health problems pop up, except for the times when they do. Guess who gets to foot the bill when your cheap coverage turns out to be, well, cheap?

the_geek:Make no mistake, every young healthy person got screwed by this change.

Who do you think paid for all the emergency room visits of people without insurance? Might have been part of your taxes instead of insurance premiums, but you still paid.

Sorry to pick on you here, but I've gotten really fed up with the "look what Obamacare did to me" complaints. The health care system is to improve our entire society, not individual people. Being selfish is easy, looking out for everyone in the country is hard.