Michael Messner dismisses fathers as ‘absentees’

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j24601

Michael Messner clearly revels in the spoils of club class, on the gravy train of acedemia, which is jet-propelled by feminist ideology. Why would he jeopardise his comfortable existence by seeking greater understanding of men’s issues beyond that which assures him of the approval and favour of his feminist overlords? The notion of academic integrity has long since lost it’s meaning to Messner and his ilk.

Theseus

Wow what a clueless individual.

OK so equality across the board eh? I’ll remember that the next time I’m mowing the lawn, trimming the palm trees, clearing out the gutters, and cleaning the pool. Isn’t it amazing how we never hear about outside laborious chores being part of “housework” from these cretins?

All this on top of making a 4 hour round trip to San Antonio from Austin for a contracting job; I’m lucky if I get to kiss my kids goodnight.

So yeah Mikey I want to see some equality across the board too. Thing is that cuts both ways.

Samantha Stephens

^^^…so much ^^^ !!
Well said!

TLC

One thing Messner forgets is that men don’t have to marry. And if marriage becomes a bad deal, men won’t marry. Men are already refusing marriage, a trend that is likely to continue. A lot of men have figured out that if they don’t get married, they don’t get screwed over in divorce.

Men take a lot more convincing to get married than women. Men need a reason to get married; women just need a ring. And if men have no reason to get married, they simply won’t buy that ring.

Yes, some men still marry–but if nothing changes, each new generation of young men will become more and more reluctant to marry until marriage is all but dead.

True, but will men stop the lying and covering for women that they know they are doing? Will they learn to not judge manhood etc by female admiration?

TLC

Depends on the man and often what his situation is. Feminists like to claim the world is run by men for men’s benefit. In fact, it’s run by men for women’s benefit. This can be seen clearly in family court, where a male judge will typically screw over the male, not the female, because he wants to use his power to help the woman, not the man. The judge’s motives are a mixture of sexual competition and a desire to protect and help the poor damsel in distress. The judge gains very little by helping the man–until perhaps the judge finds himself in divorce court and another male judge is screwing him over.

Now, for the guy who got married and is about to get screwed over in family court, it’s too late. But if he could go back in time and not get married at all, he wouldn’t be facing the screwing over he’s about to get. Other men see what happened to this poor schmuck and wisely conclude marriage is not worth it.

The basic point is that men will marry as long as men benefit from doing so. Historically, that’s been the case. But if there’s no benefit for men in marriage, men will stop getting married. And that’s already happening. No man wants to be reduced to a child support slave who sees his children when mom lets him. Modern divorce is the legal way of punishing men who were stupid enough to get married. And the word is out: marriage is a bad deal for men. And if men don’t get married, there’s no man to screw over in divorce court because he didn’t change an equal number of diapers.

Manalysis

Here is another lesson on the importance of framing the discussion – do it right and you have achieved Sun Tzu’s “win first, fight later”.
Anti-men forces have managed to frame the discussion about parental contribution to children as the volume of face-to-face interactions, the ooohing and coooing,, but like children themselves, not knowing where houses and food come from (no, not the fridge …), the act of securing house and food is simply eliminated from the equation of who does what for the next generation.
The chronicles of a one-eyed narrator of history remains one of the fundamental tools of gender inequality on all sectors. No surprise that we find it here, too.

menrppl2

even one father screwed by family courts is to many, the thousands of men the courts push to suicide is genocide

messner is an arrogant ideological supramist…..demonizing and scoffing at the dead……nothing more empowering than state sanctioned genocide.

Messner is neither as blind or as ignorant as he pretends to be. He is keenly aware his whole six figure salaried, cushy existence as a university Professor hangs on his going along with the attitudes, toxic lies, and ideology of the feminist poisoned academic world of which he is a part of.

Theseus

Well this is true.

Even if in his most private moments ol’ Mikey said to himself “y’know MRA’s have a point with this” or ” feminist theory is a lot of bullshit”, he would NEVER admit it.

Samantha Stephens

Never.

His job, prestige, and big paycheques would disappear faster than a fart in a tornado – and he knows it.

God forbid anyone upset feminist sensibilities.

Barnesy

He sounds like a politician.

Samantha Stephens

Yes, both politicians and professors know their number one rule for survival – cater and pander to feminists. Not doing so results in lightning fast vilification and certain and swift unemployment.

Jesse James

These idiots can’t be bothered to recognize that if men were not out there working…erh……neglecting their kids by bringing home a paycheck instead of doing the dishes, they wouldn’t have their beloved ivory tower and it’s tax payer funded paychecks.

Today I, a single man, will do roughly three hours of housework. I’ll put a load in the washing machine and wait 40 minutes. Then I’ll pop that load into the dryer and finally I’ll fold. In between I’ll eat, watch TV, maybe take a walk. But I’m going to count that as three hours of housework.

The 2013 Pew Research Center’s report (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/modern-parenthood-roles-of-moms-and-dads-converge-as-they-balance-work-and-family/) breaks down the average time allotted to work, household chores, and child care of the parents of traditional nuclear families. Moms and Dads spend about the same amount of time overall on all three collectively. Many more men work 3D jobs than women (dirty, difficult, and dangerous), and I suspect many of those guys would rather be home doing laundry and playing with the kids than out in the bitter cold tossing garbage cans, driving long-haul semis, breaking rocks, digging ditches, fixing power lines, or hauling in today’s deep-sea catch.

I still don’t understand how it came to be that staying in the safety of your home spending time with your children has come to be seen as a horrible way to live. When people look back on their lives, they generally see their children as their most important accomplishment. Alas, I continue to wait to meet that special girl who will bring home the bacon so that I can fry it up in a pan. Love me some bacon!

Yeah, I cringe when bimbo women say they are doing “six-figure” work: chauffeur, soccer coach, parent, laundry worker, nurse, teacher (homework helper) chef (not just “cook), and on and on. What they are really is a parent. One doesn’t get paid money to be a parent; one gets good children that grow into successful adults. That is it; same for men as fathers too.

If fathers griped about not getting paid to…basically parent, they would be shamed to hell over it.

Besides, when doing all these horrible “chores,” one can rest in between on the phone, watch TV, surf the web, nap, etc. If not, then one has too many kids, or is terribly unorganized, just plain inept, or some combination thereof!

But by these women’s “logic,” fathers should get paid extra for doing most of the outdoor and physically strenuous tasks…except that female feelings do not extend to boys, men and fathers.

sputnik

And how often do you actually have to do laundry?— every day? I thought not. 😉 Tough life, eh?

Howdy, Eubie.

On the other hand, I, too, do all my own housework, work that could be done for two or more almost as easily. By one person. Add to that the observation that so many are living single when “two can live almost as cheaply as one.” Don’ matter to me none who doin’ it, if she the primary wage earner. No trad-con here.

Feminism — and the resulting attitudinal maladjustment based on factual inaccuracies — has engendered much gross social inefficiency, in several ways. It’s expensive in more ways than the merely monetary. It’s so stupid, it’s stupid.

Dan Slezak

Oh your much to kind, sir! Car maintenance, lawn work, all of the house repairs, extension ladder work (gutter cleaning, roof patching), lifting/moving all things heavy, killing spiders etc. Theres more I’m sure. And working 50+ hrs a week.

Your damn right there is a fucking wage gap!

I forgot the pressure washer, my bad

Theseus

Oh yeah I forgot the car maintenance in my list below.

Barnesy

The last time I started cooking dinner for my wife and kids she kicked me out of the kitchen.

The last time I started vacuuming she said I wasn’t doing it right and took over.

The last time I cleaned the toilet she complained it wasn’t clean enough and did it again.

The last time she reversed the car out of the driveway she hit the letterbox for the 8th time. I had to fix the letterbox and repair the damage on the car, for the 8th time. How can she hit the same letterbox 8 times? It hasn’t moved in 9 years.

Mr. E

Sure it has, eight times… 😉

Mr. E

I would love to stay at home all day with my kids. In all seriousness. Nothing would make me happier.

I want to know how men such as this rationalise comments coming from feminists such as “kill all men”. And “wipe out 90% of men”.
Phrases like this were heard 40 years ago and seem to be still hanging around.
How does he reason these sort of things away?

Theseus

Oh that’s easy.

NAFALT. He would say these statements don’t represent “true” feminists. These morons are so predictable.

Guestronomy

Not sure, but my cynical side says it may go something like
“If I am a good boy I will be one of the 10% then think of all the pussy I will get”

bloke

“How does he reason these things away”
He knows which side of his bread is buttered.

Samantha Stephens

Yesterday, while I was viewing the video, my husband was watching it over my shoulder. When it was finished his first words were – “I would love to beat the shit out of that Messner guy.”