(09-10-2013 02:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote: What is your standard of proof? You write under a pseudonym, if you are really writing and if you exist. If your standard of proof is so low, you would have become a Theist or Muslim by now, if not a Christian...

(09-10-2013 02:49 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote: If it is that low, you should be able to convince me then, hmm ?

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(07-10-2013 09:47 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote: Translation: I ain't got SHIT, but watch as I posture like I do!

Fucking called it...

You say that like it was some sorta difficult achievement worthy of acknowledgment.

I look forward to some empirical, falsifiable, testable evidence of your God then.

From a perspective of scientism, if we want to verify another's claim, we can observe the same in nature or reproduce the experiment in our testing.

If you want evidence for Jesus Christ and you presently don't see any in nature (in your locus of the world, since millions of others claim to see Him) you can plan testable conditions and do your own experiment. Me telling you about Jesus is anecdotal, right?

(11-10-2013 11:25 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote: From a perspective of scientism, if we want to verify another's claim, we can observe the same in nature or reproduce the experiment in our testing.

If you want evidence for Jesus Christ and you presently don't see any in nature (in your locus of the world, since millions of others claim to see Him) you can plan testable conditions and do your own experiment. Me telling you about Jesus is anecdotal, right?

Test for yourself.

Millions of other people also claim to have "seen" Allah or Buddha or the Hindu gods, but that doesn't make them right (as you would no doubt agree, since most Xians consider every other religion a Satanic deception). Large numbers of adherents are not a validation of any belief system - evidence is.

Basically, like you and other Xians, folks of different faiths believe in their respective version of a higher power and as a result attempt to squeeze the rational world into a corresponding religious mold. They can't all be right, and most of us here consider them all to be wrong.

As for "test for yourself", I have extensively tested Xianity, and found it wanting (as have others here). Live in your dreamworld if you wish, but don't expect us to join (or rejoin) you there.

(11-10-2013 11:25 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote: From a perspective of scientism, if we want to verify another's claim, we can observe the same in nature or reproduce the experiment in our testing.

If you want evidence for Jesus Christ and you presently don't see any in nature (in your locus of the world, since millions of others claim to see Him) you can plan testable conditions and do your own experiment. Me telling you about Jesus is anecdotal, right?

Test for yourself.

Millions of other people also claim to have "seen" Allah or Buddha or the Hindu gods, but that doesn't make them right (as you would no doubt agree, since most Xians consider every other religion a Satanic deception). Large numbers of adherents are not a validation of any belief system - evidence is.

Basically, like you and other Xians, folks of different faiths believe in their respective version of a higher power and as a result attempt to squeeze the rational world into a corresponding religious mold. They can't all be right, and most of us here consider them all to be wrong.

As for "test for yourself", I have extensively tested Xianity, and found it wanting (as have others here). Live in your dreamworld if you wish, but don't expect us to join (or rejoin) you there.

What tests did you do? What were the boundaries/guidelines and controls?

How ? You said empirical, verifiable, testable evidence. By definition, that means an experiment anyone can do. So tell me what experiment I shall perform to confirm your own experimental results.

What would you suggest? Are you trying to prove Jesus is god or theism in general or the Bible is true? What is the kind of results you seek to confirm from me? You've said I'm delusional and ignorant. You should therefore discredit my testimony and tests. Which tests would you like to accomplish for yourself?

(11-10-2013 01:56 PM)morondog Wrote: How ? You said empirical, verifiable, testable evidence. By definition, that means an experiment anyone can do. So tell me what experiment I shall perform to confirm your own experimental results.

What would you suggest? Are you trying to prove Jesus is god or theism in general or the Bible is true? What is the kind of results you seek to confirm from me? You've said I'm delusional and ignorant. You should therefore discredit my testimony and tests. Which tests would you like to accomplish for yourself?

When a bunch of scientists make a discovery they don't say to people "design your own experiment and we'll tell ya if you get it wrong". They lay out details of their experiment, enough that other people can repeat the trial and confirm the data. They also, if they make deductions, lay out their reasoning so that it can be checked.

Because humans are fallible, so results of a single experiment may very well be down to some quirk in the experimental set up, or the researcher's own unconscious bias and other factors. That's *why* repeat experiments by independent researchers, even researchers whose personal dearly held views are at odds with the theory in question, are necessary.

You have claimed that this standard of repeatability exists for Jesus, as far as I can make out, so *your* experiments and your interpretations are of interest.

I can't repeat your experiments if you're gonna be all coy about the method and the data and the analysis.

So either you can retract your claim or provide details. Up to you

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote: And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.