Commentaire de Azmodanrom

Commentaire de caridor

If you a holy pally, skip on this and get The twilight hammer from Cho'gall.Much better itemised as it swaps spr and mastery for haste and crit, which are both higher on the holy paladin priority list.It even has a slightly faster swing speed for getting more mana from melee hits! (not that theres much opotunity for that.

(before down rating, do some research)

Commentaire de Rouen

Slower weapons have a greater chance to proc Seal of Insight, while faster weapons have a lower chance to proc. They even out in the end. As you have said, do some research.

Spirit has priority over haste and crit. Without enough spirit, haste and crit do nothing with an empty mana bar. Crit is trash, we get plenty from stacking intellect.

Commentaire de caridor

Your forgetting that you should judge every CD (situation dependant, obviously dont let the tank die for that judge). Lets put it this way.

5 minute fight = 37 judges = 74k mana.Stacking spirit won't give you that, simply because there isn't enough spirit on gear.Also, divine plea is 18% of our mana, which is huge.Make a macro and pop a potion while under the effects of divine plea (theres rarely a fight where you dont have 10 seconds) and you shouldn't have any problems.At least, I don't. If you do, you aren't judging enough.Either that or your using the spr flask which is actually worse than the intellect flask because replenishment is a % of your total mana.

Commentaire de Rouen

I haven't forgotten anything. I was rebuffing your statement that crit and mastery is more important that spirit and haste, and how a faster melee weapon speed increases your chance to proc Seal of Insight. Both of which are false.

You decided to go on about judging for mana, Divine Plea regen, a potion macro, and referencing Elitist Jerks about using an intellect flask over a spirit flask. That has nothing to do with what I said, nor does it have anything to do with Andoros, Fist of the Dragon King. Elitist jerks states Intellect > Spirit > Haste > Mastery > Crit multiple times.

As for the stat priority, Mastery sucks. On paper haste is better than mastery in pure HPS, so we don't even need to consider the inherent problems with it: Small shields will overwrite large ones and unless tank healing there's no guarantee that the shield will be used = wasted HPS.

Intellect > Spirit > Haste > Mastery > Crit

A lot of people here are advocating crit or mastery as a preferrable secondary stat. I think it's time to end this insanity.

Pros of crit are: more healing per mana / holy power if not overhealing and more IoL procs on average.Cons of crit: unreliability. This is exactly what you try to avoid in PvE: a bad luck streak can (and will) render your stat useless.

Pros of mastery are: bigger shields on targets of your direct heals / LoD.Cons of mastery: mostly useless outside tank spamming with HLs/DLs. Doesn't proc off beacon which usually accounts for most of your tank healing. Most of shields on raid members are wasted. Also, World of Logs doesn't account for Illuminated Healing.

Pros of haste: lesser GCD and cast time on all spells, more HPS/HPM on Holy Radiance (bigger increase than crit). More maximum throughput (bigger increase than crit).Cons of haste: increases maximum mana consumption without increasing HPM (except for Holy Radiance).

The hint is that Blizzard didn't really deliver the healing environment where you can let people drop lower to heal more efficiently and allow your crit to kick in. Right now you're struggling to keep people alive while conserving mana. During low damage periods you want to top people off with weak heals. Сriticals would result in overheal, but haste helps. Also, you need to judge as often as possible, and haste helps not pushing back your judge / holy shock. And finally when things get tougher, you need throughput to use mana-efficient spells as much as possible. Crit doesn't always have more HPM, and haste has indirect effects on mana efficiency which you should keep in mind (and a very direct effect on HR).

This is just from the front page of the very link you used to EJ's HP thread. Digging further, you see people who debate the merits of stacking mastery and crit are quickly shot down. Haste scales with Speed of Light (3%), Judgements of the Pure (9%), and the 5% haste buff from other various classes.

Not to mention More Haste = More Holy Light Usage = More Mana Savings

So let's stay on topic, shall we? :)

Commentaire de Thundurrel

Of course, only pallies and shamans can use swords.

Commentaire de Epaedra

Shamans and Paladins cannot use swords.

Commentaire de Sasori

Quite a lovely Moonkin/Shadow priest weapon.

Commentaire de Faerun92

One handed swords can be used by Warriors, Hunters, Mages, Rogues, Death Knights, Warlocks and Paladins.

Commentaire de Rappy

If you thinking forward about combo with Heartbound Tome, you will receive stats (along with +40 int offhand enchant):

Commentaire de blacknexus94

No. wowhead's data base is off. Undertow has +97 haste. Check the official site if you want to.

Commentaire de blacknexus94

If i'm wrong, someone needs to tell Blizzard, cuz' thats where I got my information. Straight from the website. But, it doesnt make sense that two would have the exact same spec. Feverflare and Undertow. So, maybe its a screw-up on their part or whatnot, but i'm just trying to help.

Commentaire de Voidmire

As a resto shaman, i prefer this over the twilights hammer for 25 man. spirit/mastery over no spirit/crit for 25 progression imo. On an aesthetics point of view, twilights hammer look far better

Commentaire de yuukaze

wavecrest > spirit + masteryundertow > spirit + haste

not excact same specs....

Commentaire de popcornrun

dude, PALADINS, CANT use STAFF SO STOP POSTING staff weapons.

Commentaire de Effectrix

Because paladins are the only class that benefit from this weapon, correct?

Commentaire de xXJonoXx

For the purpose of Transmogrification, this weapon DOES show Power Torrent and other enchant effects.