In the divisive debates over gun control, here is something all factions should agree on: Deadly weapons should be taken out of the hands of those who have been deemed a risk because of felony convictions or episodes of domestic violence, mental health conditions or drug addictions.

Once they start down this slippery slope, who is going to make the judgment of who is a “risk” or mentally incompetent? Some fag in SF? “Look! He's former military! Danger! Danger! OMG! He's a hunter! We all know hunters are cold blooded killers!”

It all leads to "anybody that would even consider owning a firearm is dangerous!"

So here we are: the state of California has “lists” of people who are not permitted to possess firearms. The writer wants the state AG to send out the troops to go get those firearms. Here’s the fun part: if they know of felons or mental patients with guns, why haven’t they arrested these people before? Answer: these aren’t felons or mental patients - these are trusting people who registered their “assault rifles” and now the state wants to come take them. Typically, Fascists grab power in easy-to-digest stages. One by one we hand off freedoms because is “doesn’t involve us yet”. All they have to do is shave more people off the “approved” list until their final objective is reached. They want all of us completely disarmed and completely subject to their power.

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posted on 02/10/2013 10:11:50 AM PST
by Chainmail
(A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)

Great idea! Start with Los Angeles. The LAPD has a lot of extra time and manpower right now, given that they’ve been idle for the last week or so. So right now is a great opportunity to start taking guns away from dangerous criminals. Seize the day!

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posted on 02/10/2013 10:27:13 AM PST
by coloradan
(The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)

If you are convicted of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit (bearing arms) you are now a felon who cannot have firearms at all. What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” do these people not understand?

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posted on 02/10/2013 10:29:44 AM PST
by shooter223
(the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)

...all factions should agree on: Deadly weapons should be taken out of the hands of those who have been deemed a risk because of felony convictions or episodes of domestic violence, mental health conditions or drug addictions.

A round about way of saying enforce current law. But, that, would deprive Bolshecrat voters, where, new law would deprive the law abiding.

See the organizations related to mental illness and medical concerns in the following. Republicans in CO are reportedly going to make a deal with Democrats on the mental health issue. It appears that the NRA site deleted the list today (accessed earlier). The list is also available from quite a few other web sites.

National Organizations With Anti-Gun Policies
Published on Tuesday, February 03, 2009

AARP
AFL-CIO
Ambulatory Pediatric Association
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Civil Liberties Union
American Academy of Ambulatory Care Nursing
American Medical Women`s Association
American Medical Student Association
American Medical Association
American Association for the Surgery of Trauma
American Trauma Society
American Federation of Teachers
American Association of School Administrators
American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities
American Medical Association
American Bar Association
American Counseling Association
American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Association for World Health
American Ethical Union
American Nurses Association
American Association of Neurological Surgeons
American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences
American Firearms Association
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Jewish Committee
American Trauma Society
American Psychological Association
American Jewish Congress
American Public Health Association
Americans for Democratic Action
Anti-Defamation League
Association of American Medical Colleges
Black Mental Health Alliance
B`nai B`rith
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Children`s Defense Fund
Church of the Brethren
Coalition for Peace Action
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
College Democrats of America
Committee for the Study of Handgun Misuse & World Peace
Common Cause
Congress of National Black Churches, Inc.
Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Consumer Federation of America
Council of the Great City Schools
Council of Chief State School Officers
Dehere Foundation
Disarm Educational Fund
Environmental Action Foundation
Episcopal Church-Washington Office
Florence and John Shumann Foundation
Friends Committee on National Legislation
General Federation of Women`s Clubs
George Gund Fun
Gray Panthers
H.M. Strong Foundation
Hadassah
Harris Foundation
Hechinger Foundation
Interfaith Neighbors
Int`l Ladies` Garment Workers` Union
Int`l Association of Educators for World Peace
Jewish Labor Committee
Joyce Foundation
Lauder Foundation
Lawrence Foundation
League of Women Voters of the United States*
Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manhattan Project II
Mennonite Central Committee-Washington Office
National Safe Kids Campaign
National Association of Police Organizations
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Black Nurses` Association
National Association of Chain Drug Stores
National Network for Youth
National Assembly of National Voluntary Health & Social Welfare Organizations
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
National Association of School Psychologists
National Association of Counties*
National Association of Pediatric Nurse Associates & Practitioners
National Association of School Safety and Law Enforcement Officers
National Education Association
National Association of Elementary School Principals*
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
National Association of Secondary School Principals
National Association of Social Workers
National Association of Children`s Hospitals and Related Institutions
National Association of School Psychologists
National Council of La Raza
National Center to Rehabilitate Violent Youth
National Commission for Economic Conversion & Disarmament
National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA
National Council of Negro Women
National Association of Community Health Centers
National People`s Action
National Education Association*
National League of Cities
National Council on Family Relations
National Council of Jewish Women
National Organization for Women
National Political Congress of Black Women
National Parks and Conservation Association
National Peace Foundation
National Urban League, Inc.
National Parent, Teachers Association*
National Urban Coalition
National SAFE KIDS Campaign
National Organization on Disability
National Spinal Cord Injury Association
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Ortenberg Foundation
Peace Action
People for the American Way
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Police Foundation
Project on Demilitarization and Democracy
Public Citizen
SaferWorld
Society of Critical Care Medicine
Southern Christian Leadership Conference
The Council of the Great City Schools
The Synergetic Society
20/20 Vision
U.S. Catholic Conference, Dept. of Social Development
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
Unitarian Universalist Association
United States Catholic Conference
United Methodist Church, General Board & Church Society
United Church of Christ, Office for Church in Society*
United States Conference of Mayors
War and Peace Foundation
Women Strike for Peace
Women`s National Democratic Club
Women`s Action for New Directions (WAND)
Women`s Int`l League for Peace and Freedom
World Spiritual Assembly, Inc.
YWCA of the U.S.A.

*The national organization only endorses federal legislation.

Anti-Gun Individuals & Celebrities

The following celebrities and national figures have lent their name and notoriety to anti-gun causes, speaking out for anti-gun legislation and providing a voice for anti-gun organizations.
Celebrities:

Krista Allen  Actress

Suzy Amis  Actress

Louis Anderson  Comedian

Richard Dean Anderson  Actor

Maya Angelou  Poet

David Arquette  Actor

Ed Asner  Actor

Alec Baldwin  Actor

Bob Barker  TV Personality

Carol Bayer Sager  Composer

Drew Barrymore  Actress

Kevin Bacon  Actor

Lauren Bacall  Actress*

Sarah Ban Breathnach  Writer

William Baldwin  Actor

Candice Bergen  Actress

Richard Belzer  Actor

Tony Bennett  Singer

Boys II Men  Pop Group

Jon Bon Jovi  Singer

Peter Bogdonovich  Director

Peter Bonerz  Actor

Albert Brooks  Actor

Beau Bridges  Actor

Benjamin Bratt  Actor

Bonnie Bruckheimer  Movie Producer

Christie Brinkley  Model

Dr. Joyce Brothers  Psychologist/Author

James Brolin  Actor

James Brooks  TV Producer

Mel Brooks  Actor/Director

Betty Buckley  Actress

Ellen Burstyn  Actress

Steve Buscemi  Actor

David Canary  Actor

Kate Capshaw  Actress

Kim Cattrall- Actress

Josh Charles  Actor

Robert Chartloff  Producer

Stockard Channing  Actress

Jill Clayburgh  Actress

Terri Clark  Singer

George Clooney  Actor

Jackie Cooper  Actor/Director*

Jennifer Connelly  Actress

Judy Collins  Singer

Kevin Costner  Actor

Sean Connery  Actor

Sheryl Crow  Singer

Walter Cronkite  Frmr News Anchor

Billy Crystal- Actor

Julie Cypher  Director

Arlene Dahl  Actress

Clive Davis  Writer

Linda Dano  Actress

Matt Damon  Actor

Pam Dawber  Actress

Patrika Darbo  Actress

Stuart Damon  Actor

Ellen Degeneres  Actress

Gavin de Becker  Writer

Rebecca DeMornay  Actress

Danny DeVito  Actor

Michael Douglas  Actor

Phil Donahue  Talk Show Host

Richard Donner  Director

Fran Drescher  Actress

Richard Dreyfus  Actor

David Duchovny  Actor

Sandy Duncan  Actress

Christine Ebersole  Actress

Kenneth Babyface Edmonds  Singer

Missy Elliott  Singer

Nora Ephron  Director

Gloria Estefan  Singer

Melissa Etheridge  Singer

Mia Farrow  Actress

Mike Farrell  Actor

Carrie Fisher  Actress

Sally Field  Actress

Doug Flutie  NFL player

Fannie Flagg  Actress

Jane Fonda  Actress

Jodie Foster  Actress

Rick Fox  NBA Player

Andy Garcia  Actor

Art Garfunkel  Singer

Estelle Getty  Actress

Geraldo  TV personality

Richard Gere  Actor

Kathie Lee Gifford  TV personality

Paul Glaser  TV director

Brad Gooch  Writer

Elliott Gould  Actor

Louis Gossett, Jr.  Actor

Michael Gross  Actor

Nancy Lee Grahn  Actress

Bryant Gumbel  TV Personality

Deidra Hall  Actress

Ethan Hawke  Actor

Mariette Hartley  Actress

Mark Harmon  Actor

Anne Heche  Actress

Howard Hessman  Actor

Marilu Henner  Actress

Dustin Hoffman  Actor

Hal Holbrook  Actor*

Whitney Houston  Singer

Helen Hunt  Actress

Grace-Lynne Ingle  Actress

John Ingle  Actor

Francesca James  TV Producer

Norman Jewison  Director

Lainie Kazan  Actress

Richard Karn  Actor

Jeffrey Katzenberg  Producer

Barry Kemp  TV Producer

David E. Kelley  TV Producer

Diane Keaton  Actress

Margaret Kemp  Interior Designer

Chaka Khan  Singer

Coreta Scott King  Activist

Kevin Kline  Actor

Michael E. Knight  Actor

Jonathan Kozol  Writer

William Kovacs  Director

Lenny Kravits  Singer

Lisa Kudrow  Actress

Wally Kurth  Actor

Christine Lahti  Actress

k.d. lang  Singer

Ricki Lake  TV personality

Denis Leary  Actor

John Leguizamo  Actor

Norman Lear  TV Producer

Spike Lee  Director

Hal Linden  Actor

Lisa Linde  Actress

Tara Lipinski  Former Olympian

Keyshawn Johnson  NFL player

Rob Lowe  Actor

Amanda Marshall  Singer

Barry Manilow  Singer

Camryn Manheim  Actress

Howie Mandel  Actor

Kyle MacLachlan  Actor

Madonna  Singer

Marla Maples  Actress

Marsha Mason  Actress*

Mase  Singer

Penny Marshall  Director

Prema Mathai-Davis  YWCA Official

John McDaniel  Musician

John McEnroe  Athlete

Brian McKnight  Musician

Ed McMahon  TV personality

Natalie Merchant  Singer

Bette Midler  Singer

Shane Minor  Musician

Mary Tyler Moore  Actress

Michael Moore  Film Maker

Norval Morris  Law Professor

Mike Myers  Actor

N Sync  Music group

Kathy Najimy  Actress

Paul Newman  Actor

Jack Nicholson  Actor

Leonard Nimoy  Actor

Mike Nichols  Director

Stephen Nichols  Actor

Rosie O`Donnel l- Actress/Talk Show Host

Jennifer O Neill  Actress

Julia Ormond  Actress

Jane Pauley  TV Personality

Sarah Jessica Parker  Actress

Mandy Patinkin  Actor

Richard North Patterson  Writer

Rhea Perlman- Actress

Michelle Pfieffer  Actress

Sydney Pollack  Director

Aidan Quinn  Actor

Colin Quinn  Actor

Dennis Quaid  Actor

Elizabeth Bracco Quinn  Actress

Bonnie Raitt  Singer

Debbie Reynolds  Actress

Mary Lou Retton  Former Olympian

Paul Reiser  Actor

Peter Reckell  Actor

Rob Reiner  Actor/Director

Robert Redford  Actor/Director

Anne Rice  Writer

Cathy Rigby  Actress

Natasha Richardson  Actress

Julia Roberts  Actress

Marc Rosen  TV Producer

Tim Robbins  Actor

Tim Roth  Actor

Renee Russo  Actress

Robin Ruzan  Wife of Mike Myers

Meg Ryan  Actress

Susan Sarandon  Actress

Jerry Seinfeld  Actor

Kyra Sedgwick  Actress

Martin Sheen  Actor

Russell Simmons  Record Producer

Neil Simon  Playwright*

Louise Sorel  Actress

Mira Sorvino  Actress

Rena Sofer  Actress

Britany Spears  Singer

Bruce Springsteen  Singer

Kevin Spirtas  Actor

Barbra Streisand  Singer

David Steinberg  Director

Sylvester Stallone  Actor

Harry Dean Stanton  Actor

Meryl Streep  Actress

Patrick Stewart  Actor

Sharon Stone  Actress

Sting  Singer

Trudie Styler  Actress

Jonathan Taylor Thomas  Actor

The Temptations  Pop Group

Vinny Testaverde  NFL player

Marlo Thomas  Actress*

Uma Thurman  Actress

Steve Tisch  Producer

Mike Torrez  Former Baseball player

Shania Twain  Singer

Dick Van Dyke  Actor

Eli Wallach  Actor*

Ruth Warrick  Actress

Harvey Weinstein  Producer

Jann Wenner  Publisher

Sigourney Weaver  Actress

Victor Webster  Actor

James Whitmore  Actor*

Andy Williams  Singer*

Kelli Williams  Actress

Henry Winkler  Actor

Oprah Winfrey  Entertainer

Richard Widmark  Actor

Rita Wilson  Actress

Vanessa Williams  Singer

Herman Wouk  Author

Joanne Woodward  Actress*

Peter Yarrow  Singer

Catherine Zeta-Jones  Actress

Ahmet Zappa -Actor

Diva Zappa -Actress

Dweezil Zappa  Musician

Gail Zappa -

Moon Zappa -Actress

* Denotes membership on

Brady Campaign`s National Committee

National Figures:

Joel J. Alpert M.D.  Pediatrician

Robert Bernstein Ph.D  Pediatrician

Robert E. Brennan  Financier

Bishop Edmond Browning  Espiscopal Leader

James E. Carter  Former President

Marion Wright Edelman  Director, Childrens Defense Fund

Michael Eisner, Former Chairman and CEO The Walt Disney Company

Ahmet Ertegun  Music Producer

Amitai Etzioni  Teacher

Tom Freston  MTV President

Dr. Lorraine E. Hale  Social Worker

Della M. Hughes  Activist

Ed Koch  Former Politician

C. Everett Koop  Former Surgeon General

Rev. Wallace Ryan Kuroiwa  Clergyman

Gerald M. Levin  Chairman, Time Warner

Davis S. Liederman  Ex. Dir. Child Welfare League

Paul Rabbi Menitaff  Clergyman

Abner Mikva  Former Judge

Richard Parsons  Pres. Time Warner

Steven Rockefeller  Financier

Ellen Y. Rosenberg  Activist

Rabbi David Saperstein  Clergyman

Herb Scannel  Pres. Nickelodeon

Vincent Schiraldi  Dir. Justice Policy Institute

Lyle Elmer Strom  Federal Judge

Joe Volk  Clergyman

Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie  Clergyman

The following journalists actively

editorialize in favor of gun control laws:

Steve Benson  Cartoonist

Tony Auth  Cartoonist

Jim Borgman  Cartoonist

Jimmy Breslin  Columnist

Stuart Carlson  Cartoonist

Marie Cocco  Columnist

E.J. Dionne Jr.  Columnist

Bonnie Erbe  Columnist

Tom Fiedler  Columnist

Michael Gartner  Columnist

Mark Genrich  Columnist

James Glassman  Editor

Bob Herbert  Columnist

Bill Johnson  Columnist

Donald Kaul  Columnist

Mike Lane  Cartoonist

Leonard Larson  Columnist

Mike Luckovich  Cartoonist

Jimmy Margulies  Cartoonist

Deborah Mathis  Columnist

Colman McCarthy  Columnist

Jim Morin  Cartoonist

Tom Oliphant- Columnist

Mike Peters  Cartoonist

Robert Reno  Columnist

Frank Rich  Columnist

Cindy Richards  Columnist

Kevin Siers- Cartoonist

Ed Stein  Cartoonist

Tom Teepen  Editor

Tim Toles  Cartoonist

Garry Trudeau  Cartoonist

Cynthia Tucker  Columnist

Steve Twomey  Columnist

Steve Villano  Columnist

Adrienne Washington  Columnist

Don Wright  Cartoonist

Anti-Gun Corporations/Corporate Heads

The following listing includes the most prominent national corporations that have lent their corporate support to gun control initiatives or taken position supporting gun control.

The following publications and media outlets have assisted in the attack on Second Amendment rights. The editorial policies of some of the media sources listed portray firearms in a negative manner in an attempt to generate public support for restrictions on firearms ownership. Others have refused some or all of NRA`s advertisements.

here is something all factions should agree on: Deadly weapons should be taken out of the hands of those who have been deemed a risk because of felony convictions or episodes of domestic violence, mental health conditions or drug addictions

I don't agree at all. Slippery slope. Once you agree in principle to excluding some people, then you can gradually exclude everyone.

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posted on 02/10/2013 1:56:03 PM PST
by from occupied ga
(Your government is your most dangerous enemy)

t won't be long before they add DWI convictions and minor drug violations (misdemeanor marijuana possession or even possession of a bong) to the list of prohibiting factors.

I know there's already felony dui on the books, probably true of the other things you mentioned too, plus all sorts of white collar crimes that have no violence in them. Felons, one and all, even if they've paid their debt to society.

Let me be the first to invite the author to the nearest ghetto, barrio or trailer park and begin the process. Either the concept of “criminals ignore laws” is too deep for some people or they just want to see Americans disarmed by any means possible to further their political agendas. I suspect the latter.

"... Criminals CAN NOT be required to register their guns. From Wikipedia: "Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), was a United States Supreme Court decision interpreting the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution's self-incrimination clause. Haynes extended the Fifth Amendment protections elucidated in Marchetti v. United States, 390 U.S. 39, 57 (1968)."

"The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself."

"In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling."

So, ONLY the law abiding will be required to register." - posted by Astronerd

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posted on 02/11/2013 9:47:00 AM PST
by Carry_Okie
(GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")

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