Originally posted by HRK:So Glad I don't live in anyone of those states, how far they have gone from reality, too bad the fact that all these laws are precursors to further government intrusion into the rights of the citizens of CA, OR, WA, et all...

Originally posted by Icabod:...All of these gun confiscation laws make no provision to stop an angry spouse from lying and making problems. In fact, there's no punishment if they do lie.

That is a very real problem. In the name of trying to help someone you create a tool that more often than not will be used to hurt people.

"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944

Originally posted by Icabod:...All of these gun confiscation laws make no provision to stop an angry spouse from lying and making problems. In fact, there's no punishment if they do lie.

That is a very real problem. In the name of trying to help someone you create a tool that more often than not will be used to hurt people.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."C. S. LewisEnglish essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)

Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown

Originally posted by JALLEN:..."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."C. S. LewisEnglish essayist & juvenile novelist (1898 - 1963)

That needs a repeat, it describes the heart of socialism. In the name of helping helping someone in need, socialists become self-serving tyrants.

"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944