Good for them.A) Advanced math classes would have been good.B) I live in Europe. Teaching methods here are for shiat. You know not of what you speak.C) Attending free gun class. Excellent. Ignorant gun users generally cause more problems.

And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

tudorgurl:There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids.

My old physics teacher was a gun lover. I think he'd have liked to have his gun in the classroom. He was a hoot. Really super responsible, but very old school on safety regs. He let us in the AP class play with liquid nitrogen and live Tesla coils. Fun fun fun.

Teachers who are willing to kill a killer are acquiring training to improve their marketability and value. I fully expect to see union contracts that provide extra pay for teachers who qualify for and assume such responsibilities. Recruitment ads that say, "gun training preferred" will happen, too.

If the guns are locked in a safe somewhere, their applications will be limited. Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip. That's not going to happen. Compromise will happen.

BarkingUnicorn:Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings. Even though they're increasing in number a little bit, they're still super rare and there's so many other important issues that need taken care of before we go full Spartan and just give all the kids spears and leave them outside in the nude for seven years to harden up.

Getting doglover set up with a nice advisory gig with benefits for example, would be a great problem for the government to tackle.

doglover:BarkingUnicorn: Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings.

Our fractal system of government creates a myriad of ever-smaller laboratories in which all kinds of experiments can be conducted. The most dangerous experiments are conducted in the smallest labs, like schools, in case they explode. If it works in schools, it will be rolled up the ladder to larger labs. If it explodes, the damage will be limited to someone else's kid(s).

doglover:BarkingUnicorn: Ideally, from a purely defensive perspective, a gun should be on every teacher's hip.

But why are we hardening schools against freak accidents like spree shootings. Even though they're increasing in number a little bit, they're still super rare and there's so many other important issues that need taken care of before we go full Spartan and just give all the kids spears and leave them outside in the nude for seven years to harden up.

Getting doglover set up with a nice advisory gig with benefits for example, would be a great problem for the government to tackle.

Because the handful of kids, tragically, killed once in a blue moon at a school is worse than the thousands of inner-city shootings that occur every year. It's another fringe emotional issue intended to distract.

ThatGuyGreg:Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?

20 minutes of "this is the trigger, and this is what you point at what you want to die" followed by two hours of telling you how the Kenyan Usurper is coming to take it from you. What more could they need?

Great_Milenko:ThatGuyGreg: Is it really just one class? Isn't that somewhat useless, if not worse than nothing, without ongoing instruction, or at least practice?

20 minutes of "this is the trigger, and this is what you point at what you want to die" followed by two hours of telling you how the Kenyan Usurper is coming to take it from you. What more could they need?

You've never been to a gun safety class, have you? Your ignorance on the topic shines though.

tudorgurl:And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

tudorgurl:And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

So you'd just let the kids get trapped in the room and shot? Heres the thing, we have tons of rules about fire protection and suppression systems for schools. It has to be addressed in the design and materials the building is made from. You have to have an exit within a certain number of feet of the classroom door, and sprinkers, and fire-resistant rated partitions, detectors, monitoring, etc.....

But we do absolutely nothing about securing our schools against physical violence. Yet we live in a country where in some major cities 90% of the gun violence is gang related and is occuring in the neighborhoods near the schools and school children are being killed.

Google cannot find me any news stories about children being killed in a fire at a school in 2012. Yet we havent banned fire or flammables or the use of natural gas or ignition temperature electric heat or overloaded circuits or any of the other hundred things that could cause a fire.

BECAUSE WE DESIGNED THE SCHOOLS TO RESIST FIRE

BUT WE HAVENT BOTHERED TO DESIGN SCHOOLS TO RESIST GUNFIRE

Despite the fact that inner city schools are surrounded by gang related gun homicides. Take crazy school shooters out of it and just for one second consider that you might design a school to be secure and gun resistant just to protect the kids from street violence that could spill over into the classroom. Most school shooters are students at the school they attack. But more school kids are wounded by gunfire that originates from gang related gun violence.

Minimum secure campus guidelines should dictate that all exterior doors have a positive close to latch function with exterior locks and interior release alarms. That there be an armed security guard either on campus or within a 2 minute response. That doesnt mean someone sitting in the school with a gun in every case, but could mean that local law enforcement places an officer on campus or within a block on rotational assignment. In our school district it means that there is a Sheriffs Deputy on duty at the High School. We are working on a rotating patrol assignment for a second deputy to monitor the middle schools. Finally you should have locking classroom doors and security drills to teach the staff how to lockdown the school within seconds of an alarm.

The sad fact is that Teachers are resisting this measures for political reasons. It is simply more important to you to perform as a political tool than it is to protect the kids.

knbwhite:tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor? Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.

Its sheer political tooldom. They understand that this issue is important to their political party so they are locking step and leaving the kids defenseless.

GAT_00:knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Your solution is a one sided shoot out. Like dodgeball.....except they dont teach that in schools anymore either, so the kids might just stand there waiting for a participation trophy.

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor? Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.

Its sheer political tooldom. They understand that this issue is important to their political party so they are locking step and leaving the kids defenseless.

GAT_00:knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

This is simple. More gun free zone signs, we extend the area outside schools that are gun free further and put up more signs. This new law will stop shooters from entering the zone and if they miss the first sign, they'll surely see more and come to their senses.

GUTSU:GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

If you added "holding a useless defensive object wile whimpering" you'd basically have Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th.

MichiganFTL:GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

If you added "holding a useless defensive object wile whimpering" you'd basically have Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th.

The difference is that "hiding in the corner of the room, huddled together" is taught to teachers. Why people believe doing absolutely nothing is the best thing to do in a school shooting is beyond me.

GUTSU:GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot? Why let's just shoot more kids! Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do. Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

GAT_00:GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot? Why let's just shoot more kids! Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do. Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

tudorgurl:There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults.

They wouldn't need the presence of mind since a CCW implies a weapon on someone's person.

Good. Let this happen. Will it prevent a school shooting? I don't know. The biggest advantage shooters had in past school shootings was that there was no one in the schools who were armed. You just had rooms full of people who are cowering in fear and not armed. I've played enough first person shooters to know that a room like that on a map is just a chance to rack up your frag count. Equalize the playing field by arming the teachers who want to be armed, and that might actually prevent a school shooting. And honestly, if arming half the teachers in a school can prevent a school shooting, was arming the teachers a bad thing.

As for those who don't like guns or the idea of a teacher being armed, shut up and get over it. I've used guns before. When loaded, do you know when the gun is dangerous? When there is a finger on the trigger. Guns don't go off because you drop them. Never seen it happen outside of a movie or tv show. A gun in a holster, even if loaded, isn't dangerous. A gun isn't dangerous until a hand has gripped it and wrapped a finger around the trigger. And I think that it's awesome that 700 teachers went to a class to reinforce or learn about guns. I think that anyone who is even thinking about getting a gun should take a gun class first. And arming the teachers isn't going to lead to a bunch of news stories about teachers gunning down students. Not going to happen, even though that's the belief of the anti-gun crowd.

GAT_00:GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot? Why let's just shoot more kids! Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do. Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

yes, if that person does not follow any of the basic rules of firearms. Always know what's beyond your target and wait for a clean shot, or, you don't take the shot.

How many times has the 'armed citizen' taken out innocent bystanders? Or are you basing this off Hollywood gun knowledge?

Only a nutjob would think killing someone to be a useful skill that a teacher should cultivate.

Hows about cultivating an awareness of campus security, including locking doors and maybe even preparing a deterrent weapon for use against an aggressor? Because that is really what the teachers union is resisting at the moment. Teachers and schools conform to a national fire safety code that requires stringent building quality and fire response standards, yet when you ask them to do something as simple as trigger an alarm, secure their classroom door, and keep the kids otu of sight while an armed security guard responds.....suddenly they are all up in arms and wont move a finger to assist.

Ever since Columbine, schools (at least in NJ) practice "Code C's" ever so often. An alarm is sounded or the principal makes an announcement, the teachers lock the doors, and all the kids hide in the corner while the police respond. You know, exactly what you just described.

GUTSU:GAT_00: GUTSU: GAT_00: knbwhite: tudorgurl: And on the news last night, a whole bunch of clucking chickens squawking about how having a gun in the classroom would protect the children from the evil-doers who lurk around every corner. Seriously, people. Get a flocking grip. There is absolutely NO reason for a teacher to have a gun, loaded or not, in a classroom full of kids. There is no way that I or any of those teachers would seriously have the presence of mind in an active shooter situation to find the key to the gun safe, open it, take the gun lock off the gun, load it, and fire it without hitting children or other adults. We are not soldiers. We are teachers, and we should not have to be expected to do shiat like this. It's stories and classes like these that inflame the ignorant and send them shrieking for their guns. I will protect and defend my kids against any person who comes to harm them. However, I refuse to have a weapon in my classroom. That is not the place for it, and it changes the tenor of the room and the schoolhouse. It no longer is a place of safety and learning. When you put guns in the schoolhouse, it becomes nothing more than a prison.

How sad it must be to live in such fear. I really feel sorry for these people.

No one is telling you that you must have a gun. Can't we be pro choice on the teacher with a gun issue?

Yes, because the solution to a school shooting is clearly a shootout.

Yes the obvious solution is to hide in the corner of a room and hope he doesn't come in. Brilliant plan GAT_00

Kids are being shot? Why let's just shoot more kids! Unless of course you're assuming the teacher has perfect accuracy, which people like you always do. Somehow the armed citizen is always going to kill the shooter in one shot.

So you'd prefer the children to be slaughtered like cattle? How... humanitarian. Oh course no chance of survival is obviously better than a slim chance. How silly of me!

Why the fark are you completely incapable of seeing any solution other than screaming MOAR like a /b/tard? Gun problem? MOAR GUNS. It's like the argument of a 2 year old.