(21-10-2012 08:42 AM)Erxomai Wrote: Just a whimsical thought: could you have your brother join you when you tell your dad? Not to team up against your dad, but just be there to support you and make sure your dad is understanding you.

I'll be fine. My brother has never been a theist, he's like Chas (minus the lack of hair and wrinkly skin).

I shave. You will, too, when you mature.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.

(21-10-2012 08:42 AM)Erxomai Wrote: Just a whimsical thought: could you have your brother join you when you tell your dad? Not to team up against your dad, but just be there to support you and make sure your dad is understanding you.

I'll be fine. My brother has never been a theist, he's like Chas (minus the lack of hair and wrinkly skin).

If you already know you'll be fine, then why are you toying with our lives and emotions with your evidentially meaningless thread.

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
~Izel

(21-10-2012 08:46 AM)Vosur Wrote: I'll be fine. My brother has never been a theist, he's like Chas (minus the lack of hair and wrinkly skin).

If you already know you'll be fine, then why are you toying with our lives and emotions with your evidentially meaningless thread.

You're dramatizing it. I simply asked for a way to engage the conversation. Walking up to him and going like "'sup dad? I'm an atheist 'n shit. Just so you know. kthxbay" is probably not the best approach.

(21-10-2012 08:58 AM)Erxomai Wrote: If you already know you'll be fine, then why are you toying with our lives and emotions with your evidentially meaningless thread.

You're dramatizing it. I simply asked for a way to engage the conversation. Walking up to him and going like "'sup dad? I'm an atheist 'n shit. Just so you know. kthxbay" is probably not the best approach.

Yet it would get the job done.

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
~Izel

On a serious note, coming out was fairly easy on me. I just told my family. There was slightly more noise about my sexuality, but not so much about my beliefs. So yeah if you don't depend on your family you're set. If you do either play the game or go down guns blazing. Who knows, it might work.

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

You cannot successfully determine beforehand which side of the bread to butter.

On a serious note, coming out was fairly easy on me. I just told my family. There was slightly more noise about my sexuality, but not so much about my beliefs. So yeah if you don't depend on your family you're set. If you do either play the game or go down guns blazing. Who knows, it might work.

This might be a good tactic.
"Dad, I'm an atheist, and I'm gay."

Pause to let the message sink in.

"Ok, so I'm really only bisexual and an atheist."

Pause again.

"I'm just shittin' ya, Dad. I'm just an atheist with a tinge of bi-curiosity."

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness
~Izel

I never attacked their theology, Vosur, I questioned their metaphysics. I questioned dualism, "This promise of a postmortem preservation of identity seems like bullshit to me Mom, I don't see how it's even imaginable let alone tenable." "It's a matter of faith, Son." "Like I said Mom, bullshit." That was 35 years ago now and it's where we both stand to this day.

(21-10-2012 12:25 PM)GirlyMan Wrote: I never attacked their theology, Vosur, I questioned their metaphysics. I questioned dualism, "This promise of a postmortem preservation of identity seems like bullshit to me Mom, I don't see how it's even imaginable let alone tenable." "It's a matter of faith, Son." "Like I said Mom, bullshit." That was 35 years ago now and it's where we both stand to this day.

Don't think I'll ever have the balls to say bullshit to my mama, I'll get klapped so hard I'll become a Christian