Flex wrote:It is still stupid. Garrosh has just been a series of pain in the ass bullshit annoyances where I've been fighting game mechanics more than the actual encounter. I basically have to unbind Consecrate for the fight and every so often every add from the empowered whirlwind will decide to love me no matter where they spawned.

Tell your dps to stop sucking, pick an add and kill it.

Random curiosity as I've not done garrosh hc myself, why is it bad to pick up the whirlwind adds? They were an essential nonfactor damagewise in 25 normal o.o

When you kill them, they buff every other add in melee range by about 50% damage, double their health pool and heal them for about 50% max life. If about 5 adds die next to each other, the last surviving add will be capable of one-shotting anybody, including a tank and have tens of millions of life.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Battlenet broken for a hour already, and I'm here at work sitting and doing nothing when I was planning to level alts <.<

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Wethington's father says his daughter should not have been allowed by the Oklahoma skydiving company to perform the jump, even though Makenzie's parents signed off on letting her do it.

What? Is it because the company may have not ensured she was properly trained? Or is it because the father was expecting the company to parent his daughter?

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

My Frustration = getting over a cold and the absolute worst bit, not a runny nose, not aches and pains, not lack of energy, the worst bit is the sodding two days I get to spend trying to equalise the pressure in my ears... and then when they finally pop and get right, sniffing and cocking it all up again!

Wethington's father says his daughter should not have been allowed by the Oklahoma skydiving company to perform the jump, even though Makenzie's parents signed off on letting her do it.

What? Is it because the company may have not ensured she was properly trained? Or is it because the father was expecting the company to parent his daughter?

First off: wow that must have hurt, although I suppose it wasn't 3000 feet of full free fall as her chute was out but not open so at least it would have slowed her a bit.Secondly: I can't possibly imagine how absolutely terrible it must have been for her dad (who jumped first) to watch the whole thing happen and be powerless to do anything about it. So in that case I think I can forgive a bonehead blame-shifty quote or two.

Oh, I absolutely can empathize with Dad. I'm just not following the logic of that statement, but it makes sense, I suppose. "If it's the company's fault, then it won't be mine that my little girl is there."

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

Worldie wrote:Just tried with a friend, it indeed generates 0 threat, BOTH the heal and the dmg.

Swapping back to holy prism until they fix it <.<

So actually, this just got even weirder (and frustrating, heyo) after I got into a talk on the WoW forums

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsAAnxuziUUNotice no threat generated, the mob isn't pulled off. When Judgment happens, Judgment generates threat, but no threat from the LH exists at all (it's not even delayed threat, because the Judgment + Xuen procs are the only ones generating threat, and the numbers back that up)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AsPbrpfyEAt 00:30, the LH is on a mob that's already aggoed (the Crab) while the Priest has pulled an extra mob (the Sha). Threat generated on the Crab, the Crab turns. The extra mob doesn't get any threat on it and continues hitting the Priest.Fast forward to 2:05, and once again LH fails to pull off a Priest's staff autoattack.

Apparently the way it's behaving is that if you have no other threat on the mob, LH will generate no threat (not even delayed threat, the threat simply doesn't exist), but if you have generated threat with other spells prior, LH threat will be redirected to you?

If anyone cares to try these out and see if I'm not crazy, or if I am, go right ahead

The problem lies on the fact that one of the major uses for LH is to pickup newly spawned groups of mobs

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Oh, to add to that, if you're solo, or the only person on the mob's threat table, it'll pull to you just fine.

Basically it means LH is going to have wasted ticks if you're using it to generate threat on mobs that someone else has if you can't first HotR or something else to the mobs. It'll still pull random critters (why would that even be a concern? NERF SQUIRREL), pull random mobs if they walk in, break CC, etc.

Darielle wrote:Basically it means LH is going to have wasted ticks if you're using it to generate threat on mobs that someone else has if you can't first HotR or something else to the mobs. It'll still pull random critters (why would that even be a concern? NERF SQUIRREL), pull random mobs if they walk in, break CC, etc.

Just quoting myself

Worldie wrote:The problem lies on the fact that one of the major uses for LH is to pickup newly spawned groups of mobs

For example, on Garrosh, I'd throw light's hammer to a side of adds spawn, and run to pick the other 3 with avenger shield. This would be no longer possible.

Do we need help for holding mobs we already got threat on? Hardly. Really, we don't. Might as well run ES at that point as it provides better DPS.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Not the same thing. By using LH on a mob that has been hit with, say, HotR, or one tick of Consecrate, and presumably a mob that you have "generated" threat on with EF qualifies, you're actually generating significant aoe threat. A mob that you have "threat" on isn't necessarily a mob is aggroed on you.

raid time, and we are resettingfirst of all, we have 13 signups, so yay for that..and a lot of those signups are people just coming back and wanting to raid, and we do need a couple more people just in case, so we are trying to gear them up..so no problem with resetting

we sit 3 of our best geared dps so the new people can get in and get gear, i am tanking, and our other normal tank is on his rogue because guild leadership wanted an officer in the raid, and the other 2 sat

well about that time, my internet starts fucking up..i cant stay on wow or vent for longer than 10 minutes at a time, and most times its 3-5

i volunteer to be sat, and ask our other tank to switch to his tank because of my interneti have a feeling that even though i had talked to our GM/RL, everyone ELSE thought i was doing so because i was pissed off about the reset and wanted to be a little bitch and throw a fit cause we werent working on garrosh (was an earlier incident that wasnt handled the best..i have made amends for that though..i thought at least)

so hopefully now that my internet is working again, i dont have to rebuild bridges again. this reset i was all for, we need the new blood, and we need to get them gear so they can help on garrosh and be on par with our other raiders..or at least closer.

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

I still hardly see just light's hammer AoE taking off a mob from another tank actively aoetanking. I doubt it has *ever* been a issue.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.