UmatillaJeff wrote:It's official.... I purchased a GAEP BN-4 in 10ga. When I have the time this spring I will do some before and after shots along with Crony readings and pattern testing.

My testing will focus on 60 yard patterns with large shot. Jeff

Nice. I enjoy mine. I have the in 28,20,12 and 10 gauge. I will run some comparisons this spring to to see what the differences may be. So far the greatest thing about them is that when you are changing loads often you do not need to mess with the final crimp on the press so much, just let it loose and the Gael will finnish it for you no muss no fuss.

It showed up today! I cant believe it was 5 days from the UK to Oregon. I am going to recrimp some of my already perfectly crimped shells to see how good they will look and see if I can't make myself smile. Jeff

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UmatillaJeff wrote:It showed up today! I cant believe it was 5 days from the UK to Oregon. I am going to recrimp some of my already perfectly crimped shells to see how good they will look and see if I can't make myself smile. Jeff

know time for that testing, that you wanted to do!!! see if it improves the loads pattern wise or just adds some taper?

I ran it on some Remington hulls. I didn't do many since with the extreme pressure that might be generated , I would like to crony a few before I apply it to a bunch of already loaded ammo that has not been adjusted to allow for the added crimp taper/pressure.

I will say this. They are the best looking crimps I have EVER seen. I may have to use the extra step just to make me happy about the way my shells look.

Proof is in the pudding. Only pattern testing will tell if it's an improvement. Lowered standard deviations means little or nothing when shot gunning but extra pellets in the pattern will make me a true believer.

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who needs perty shells as long as they cycle, lets see if gaep tool helps throw better patterns over regular crimped reloads,then they might be wurth the effort. right know i have reloads that match fps as advertized and have crimps that allow proprer function in semi auto's from .410-10 gauge reloads. plus they already get very good patterns, but improvement in patterns would be plus, especially if they go from 89-94 percent at 40 yards to 100 percent with same gun/choke. that might make it wurth the effort. just having perty looking crimps then I will still be on the other side of fence(regular press fold crimps).

Dont you all want to have uniform results from cartridge to cartridge? the same technology used by the cartridge factories, but with several steps. With precise tolerances of the height of the finished cartridge and perfect rounded crimps becomes deviations in speed less, it shows in all cases my chronograf. Better crimps also gives smaller losses as gunpowder can be saved, Have you also a gunpowder dispenser with micro meters, then you will get results that exceed the factory, at least if you are using new hulls ..

ps: this crimp is good but not 100% in my eyes , hull is new Fiocchi T2 and i use a gaep T2 special crimper

Gcdhunter wrote:Are you guys using the Gaep right after precrimp or are you pre crimping, final crimping on your reloading press then hitting it with the Gaep

I can only talk for myself, and i have gone from load /reloading the " american way " using a PW 375c duo matic singel stage pressFrom early -90. Until 2011 when the " Italian way of load and reload " hit me , short after that i sold my belowed PW And bought an italian Gaep VS-1500 press .. And i never go back,

But thats no ansver for your question, if you have a mec or Pw press you stop after the 6-8 star pre crimp , Then you move the cartride to a gaep crimper in some bench drill/motor @900rpm, most important is you must have an adjustable Stop .

And now i apologise for using metric : Standard height of finished cartride is 58mm for a 2 3/4 hull , so 57,8-58mm is absolutePerfect. Note : so little as 0,20 mm shorter cartridge raise pressure aprox 40 bar and in some loads even more, and i belive loading steel this can be more critical..

So when you have the shell under the gaep /bn2/omv sp2 crimp head give it a quick short stroke, dont HANG on the handle There is not needed, and you only destroy the cartridge. Grease the crimper with some white vaseline or silicone spray , i use Vaseline becouse i got headache from silicone spray ,

You can also go through all stations, and just crimp down without taper so there is NO hole in center, if you have a svirl raise star pre-crimper , then move shell to the crimp head in drill and give it a quick short stroke and check lenght of cartridge, 58 mm is standard.

I load my target loads on Mec 9000 g's ( 28,20,12's) and with the 12 ga for (long) targets , after loading them on this loader I run them under the BN 2 , this gives me more consistency shot to shot . My load of choice has been 18.5 grs of 700 X Ched 209 , CB wad with 1 1/8 oz of West-Coast shot in a CF Win or STS hull . There is no better looking loaded shell using the Gaep tool and knowing the consistency of the load makes better patterns , for me !

I load my target loads on Mec 9000 g's ( 28,20,12's) and with the 12 ga for (long) targets , after loading them on this loader I run them under the BN 2 , this gives me more consistency shot to shot . My load of choice has been 18.5 grs of 700 X Ched 209 , CB wad with 1 1/8 oz of West-Coast shot in a CF Win or STS hull . There is no better looking loaded shell using the Gaep tool and knowing the consistency of the load makes better patterns , for me !

3200,

isn't it strange , you can still use lead for clay target and we Swedes must use steel , and for waterfowl we can use lead and you can't

My first response to that question was , you want to trade ? But as a young Lad knowing the pounding I took with buffered lead loads , I'll stick with steel shot for Waterfowl . With the velocities we're getting these days and with complete pass-through's of the pellets , why not ? Dead is Dead what ever you shoot !

3200 man wrote:My first response to that question was , you want to trade ? But as a young Lad knowing the pounding I took with buffered lead loads , I'll stick with steel shot for Waterfowl . With the velocities we're getting these days and with complete pass-through's of the pellets , why not ? Dead is Dead what ever you shoot !

3200 man wrote:My first response to that question was , you want to trade ? But as a young Lad knowing the pounding I took with buffered lead loads , I'll stick with steel shot for Waterfowl . With the velocities we're getting these days and with complete pass-through's of the pellets , why not ? Dead is Dead what ever you shoot !

Nope , steel target ammo is realy good today , but nobody reload for targets in Sweden , quality ammo is quite cheap And price of components is to high .

Yes , im really impressed of the loads you have in states today, when i was fiddling with some BPI steel loads in-90:s The speed we talking about was aprox 1200fps

It just hasn't been adopted in as yet , there is far to many old farts that want to stay away from steel shot as they believe it will harm their tight barreled target guns . We hear it all the time ,( I paid 8 to 20.000 dollars for this gun and I'll quit before I have to shoot steel shot through it ) I've shot steel right next to them and broke more targets than they did ( with Authority ) and they tell me it's going to ruin your gun ! There are several clubs shooting over water here and they have mandated steel shot .

But , I do hope for us ( Games ) shooters we don't change until I shoot all my lead - up ! With buying it a ton at a time it always has me worried , though ! I use it for Pigeons and upland birds as well so , in a year or so I'll be ready if the word comes out .

C M Wings wrote:Peter, thank you. I understand exactly. Your English is far better than my Swedish.... So no excuses or apologies!

If they mandate steel for targets, it might make target shooting affordable again....

Joe

Joe, when run the gaep its important grease it , white vaselin is perfect. I havent load so much steel yet but It's harder work the gaep crimp when you have a hard steelshot colume and stiff wad , and distance down to shot comes critical When a wad cant flex...