Don't worry fellas... Tax return will be in soon to pay off that credit card! [big grin]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!! [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek] 2

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Reiska on May 03, 2014, 10:05 AM

I blew it all in April (Incra LS Supersystem, MFT3-VL, Precision plate, Precision parallel guides, a Performer JC70 trike with 250W electrics, Wifes long weekend to Switzerland...) Annual bonus came and went [embarassed]Thank goodness they don't seem to have any specials here at the moment [unsure]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on May 03, 2014, 11:18 AM

I had to force myself to stay away today..... i was less than 100m from Carba-tec. Need to put new wheels and tyres on the Van first.

Not really a discount given their already premium prices on festool more than 10% more than other options in Australia. Plus they put their prices up significantly on everything else recently too.

Exactly,! [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on May 04, 2014, 06:40 AM

I dont buy off them because of there customer service and lack of comunication when items are out of stock and on back order

No more orders from me

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Richard83 on May 04, 2014, 10:37 PM

Ha!

Well turns out you guys were right... What a disgrace Carba-tec (Perth) is!!

So I go there this morning to pick up the items I wanted and notice on their whiteboard they have a little * under the "Massive 10% off EVERYTHING".... *Excludes power tools!!!

Hmmm I thought...

Went in and the first thing on my list was the domino assortment systainer. I didn't even consider it a problem because it's obviously not a power tool... So wrong! "Oh no, that's not included in the sale cause it's a power tool accessory"... Exactly I say, it's not a power tool! "No, because it's an accessory of a power tool it's not included"

Incredulous I moved on... "OK, so the next thing I want is a CT-17 extractor, they must be included because they're on sale on your website". Reply was "no, that's a power tool as well" so I show him his own website where it clearly shows the 10% off.http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208 (http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208)"Oh ok, I'll check with the boss" he says

Comes back and says "I've checked with the boss and he says that the sale is only in Brisbane"!!!

Stupidly I continued arguing! Reminded him that the website is Australia-wide, not Brisbane specific blah blah... In the end I just shook my head and walked out...

In conclusion, Carba-Tec Perth = frauds!

That's my third dealing with three different local Fedtool dealers... 2 were horrendous, one was just average.Why would I bother paying a premium for 'service' which is just bad?!Might aswell buy from UK... Can't say I didn't try!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 04, 2014, 10:55 PM

Well turns out you guys were right... What a disgrace Carba-tec (Perth) is!!

So I go there this morning to pick up the items I wanted and notice on their whiteboard they have a little * under the "Massive 10% off EVERYTHING".... *Excludes power tools!!!

Hmmm I thought...

Went in and the first thing on my list was the domino assortment systainer. I didn't even consider it a problem because it's obviously not a power tool... So wrong! "Oh no, that's not included in the sale cause it's a power tool accessory"... Exactly I say, it's not a power tool! "No, because it's an accessory of a power tool it's not included"

Incredulous I moved on... "OK, so the next thing I want is a CT-17 extractor, they must be included because they're on sale on your website". Reply was "no, that's a power tool as well" so I show him his own website where it clearly shows the 10% off.http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208 (http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208)"Oh ok, I'll check with the boss" he says

Comes back and says "I've checked with the boss and he says that the sale is only in Brisbane"!!!

Stupidly I continued arguing! Reminded him that the website is Australia-wide, not Brisbane specific blah blah... In the end I just shook my head and walked out...

In conclusion, Carba-Tec Perth = frauds!

That's my third dealing with three different local Fedtool dealers... 2 were horrendous, one was just average.Why would I bother paying a premium for 'service' which is just bad?!Might aswell buy from UK... Can't say I didn't try!

Sounds like a Monty Python skit [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 04, 2014, 11:00 PM

Just looked at the Carba tec website, nothing indicates any exclusions on locations or product types / ranges.

Did you try on the 1800 658 111 ordering number? (common to the east coast)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on May 05, 2014, 12:01 AM

Not surprised Carbatec Perth are doing this. They almost always fall back on the "We are just a franchise store - not the same as the Eastern States stores" excuse. I'm sure it all makes sense to them with cost of shipping etc, but it gets tired really quick. It saddens me that that is the best (last) store Perth has for all things woodwork...

I'm more curious as to why Festool Australia hasn't pushed out a new specials catalogue, they are usually pretty reliable every three months.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 05, 2014, 12:45 AM

Not surprised Carbatec Perth are doing this. They almost always fall back on the "We are just a franchise store - not the same as the Eastern States stores" excuse. I'm sure it all makes sense to them with cost of shipping etc, but it gets tired really quick. It saddens me that that is the best (last) store Perth has for all things woodwork...

I'm more curious as to why Festool Australia hasn't pushed out a new specials catalogue, they are usually pretty reliable every three months.

Yes, I declined a bag with some accessory purchases last week, at my friendly dealer, because there were no 'new' Festool brochures enclosed. The sales rep was also puzzled re a delay of 'specials'.

Re Carbatec, I have not heard from them for three months re an inquiry about ParfDogs and when I last checked I could not find them on their website. Do not need them yet fortunately. Will probably end up internet ordering direct from LV.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on May 05, 2014, 01:29 AM

Well turns out you guys were right... What a disgrace Carba-tec (Perth) is!!

So I go there this morning to pick up the items I wanted and notice on their whiteboard they have a little * under the "Massive 10% off EVERYTHING".... *Excludes power tools!!!

Hmmm I thought...

Went in and the first thing on my list was the domino assortment systainer. I didn't even consider it a problem because it's obviously not a power tool... So wrong! "Oh no, that's not included in the sale cause it's a power tool accessory"... Exactly I say, it's not a power tool! "No, because it's an accessory of a power tool it's not included"

Incredulous I moved on... "OK, so the next thing I want is a CT-17 extractor, they must be included because they're on sale on your website". Reply was "no, that's a power tool as well" so I show him his own website where it clearly shows the 10% off.http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208 (http://www.carbatec.com.au/festool-ct-36-dust-extractor_c20208)"Oh ok, I'll check with the boss" he says

Comes back and says "I've checked with the boss and he says that the sale is only in Brisbane"!!!

Stupidly I continued arguing! Reminded him that the website is Australia-wide, not Brisbane specific blah blah... In the end I just shook my head and walked out...

In conclusion, Carba-Tec Perth = frauds!

That's my third dealing with three different local Fedtool dealers... 2 were horrendous, one was just average.Why would I bother paying a premium for 'service' which is just bad?!Might aswell buy from UK... Can't say I didn't try!

What you describe there Richard is essentially the same level of service i have received in the past from them, and all so the real reason i choose not to visit them when i was so close last week. I went i there once to get a Sys-lite since they had it in stock, but it was listed at $299. I said to the guy the Festool Catalogue shows it at $219, he then just proceeds to and complain how Festool tells them nothing. Sorry mate but thats your duty to know what specials are on and the prices.... in the end he gave it to me for the $219 though, so i was happy.

The thing that got mime thinking about the Domino Assortment he's stating that it is an " Accessory of a power tool" well then that would exclude nearly everything Festool does since most items are accessories to tools.

Sandpaper is a accessory to a Sander would that be excluded? Dominos would be no different to sandpaper they are a consumable not an accessory!

The boys at Beyond Tools have always been fantastic.... so hopefully they can give you the service your deserve.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 05, 2014, 01:47 AM

I've been led to believe that Festool Australia probably won't do a Q2 promo, just a late May/June EOFYS (end of financial year sale) to clear older stocks in readiness for new products and newly packaged products (think Protools and cordless tools pre 4.2Ah batteries clearout). So don't expect a flyer yet.

Back on CarbaTec - thing I hate about them is the fact that their OS suppliers are loyal (brands like Leigh), yet you'd get better pricing and service if you ordered direct (use shipito.com if you do consider this, but keep the lots under $1K)

BTW, if you want big Asian made machinery for any reason, consider Hare and Forbes - deffo not CarbaTec.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on May 05, 2014, 03:27 AM

I've been led to believe that Festool Australia probably won't do a Q2 promo, just a late May/June EOFYS (end of financial year sale) to clear older stocks in readiness for new products and newly packaged products (think Protools and cordless tools pre 4.2Ah batteries clearout). So don't expect a flyer yet.

Back on CarbaTec - thing I hate about them is the fact that their OS suppliers are loyal (brands like Leigh), yet you'd get better pricing and service if you ordered direct (use shipito.com if you do consider this, but keep the lots under $1K)

So true unfortunately. I'm all for supporting local business but when the mark-ups are so high and the service so poor I can't bring myself to support them any more. Early on I would let Carbatec order LV stuff that was out of stock and the delays were atrocious and communication worse. 2-3 months easily.

These day I just order from LV direct and I'm still 10-20% under with shipping if I do a larger order.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Litch on May 05, 2014, 04:00 AM

Re Carbatec, I have not heard from them for three months re an inquiry about ParfDogs and when I last checked I could not find them on their website. Do not need them yet fortunately. Will probably end up internet ordering direct from LV.

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I havent been in Carbatec for a couple months. I have not been that impressed when I have. However, on the subject of parf dogs. I did pick up some up from them last time I was in. It took them about a week to arrive and the cost was about $49 for both the large and small ones

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 05, 2014, 04:09 AM

I wonder if LeeValley are reading this.

Reading this thread down the page, you will find most of the regular AUS FOG members collectively unmpressed with your Australian distributor for Veritas and LV tools. Interesting!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on May 05, 2014, 04:59 AM

Yep unfortunately Carba tec have got lazy because of the monopoly they have with some brands,I used to purchase from them all the time but the out of stock delays, poor response to enquires and generally lack of giving a SH*T has turned me off.

I am lucky in that my job(builder) is also my hobby and i am not generally a price sensitive purchaser, I buy just about everything (tool,jig etc)that takes my fancy so they dont have to work very hard to get my business but even common courtesy is lacking from these guys.

Online from O/S is usually cheaper more reliable and incredibly most often quicker.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 05, 2014, 05:09 AM

Yep unfortunately Carba tec have got lazy because of the monopoly they have with some brands,I used to purchase from them all the time but the out of stock delays, poor response to enquires and generally lack of giving a SH*T has turned me off.

I am lucky in that my job(builder) is also my hobby and i am not generally a price sensitive purchaser, I buy just about everything (tool,jig etc)that takes my fancy so they dont have to work very hard to get my business but even common courtesy is lacking from these guys.

Online from O/S is usually cheaper more reliable and incredibly most often quicker.[/b]

What a fabulous world we'd live in if we could either standardise on mains power, or produce tools that didn't care.

On that, I'm amazed that some company hasn't produced a range of compact power converter modules that would allow manufacturers to "internationalise" their tools easily. I'm visualising high, medium and low current modules that accept variable voltage and frequency in and output a voltage specific to the manufacturers standard. It's gotta be doable if the volume market can be created ...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 05, 2014, 07:54 AM

Yep unfortunately Carba tec have got lazy because of the monopoly they have with some brands,I used to purchase from them all the time but the out of stock delays, poor response to enquires and generally lack of giving a SH*T has turned me off.

I am lucky in that my job(builder) is also my hobby and i am not generally a price sensitive purchaser, I buy just about everything (tool,jig etc)that takes my fancy so they dont have to work very hard to get my business but even common courtesy is lacking from these guys.

Online from O/S is usually cheaper more reliable and incredibly most often quicker.[/b]

What a fabulous world we'd live in if we could either standardise on mains power, or produce tools that didn't care.

On that, I'm amazed that some company hasn't produced a range of compact power converter modules that would allow manufacturers to "internationalise" their tools easily. I'm visualising high, medium and low current modules that accept variable voltage and frequency in and output a voltage specific to the manufacturers standard. It's gotta be doable if the volume market can be created ...

If you mean smart modules within the tool Kev, that is a great idea. And with Festool you would only have to have the correct plug it lead for your country.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 05, 2014, 09:43 AM

Yep unfortunately Carba tec have got lazy because of the monopoly they have with some brands,I used to purchase from them all the time but the out of stock delays, poor response to enquires and generally lack of giving a SH*T has turned me off.

I am lucky in that my job(builder) is also my hobby and i am not generally a price sensitive purchaser, I buy just about everything (tool,jig etc)that takes my fancy so they dont have to work very hard to get my business but even common courtesy is lacking from these guys.

Online from O/S is usually cheaper more reliable and incredibly most often quicker.[/b]

What a fabulous world we'd live in if we could either standardise on mains power, or produce tools that didn't care.

On that, I'm amazed that some company hasn't produced a range of compact power converter modules that would allow manufacturers to "internationalise" their tools easily. I'm visualising high, medium and low current modules that accept variable voltage and frequency in and output a voltage specific to the manufacturers standard. It's gotta be doable if the volume market can be created ...

If you mean smart modules within the tool Kev, that is a great idea. And with Festool you would only have to have the correct plug it lead for your country.

Exactly!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 05, 2014, 10:07 AM

Yep unfortunately Carba tec have got lazy because of the monopoly they have with some brands,I used to purchase from them all the time but the out of stock delays, poor response to enquires and generally lack of giving a SH*T has turned me off.

I am lucky in that my job(builder) is also my hobby and i am not generally a price sensitive purchaser, I buy just about everything (tool,jig etc)that takes my fancy so they dont have to work very hard to get my business but even common courtesy is lacking from these guys.

Online from O/S is usually cheaper more reliable and incredibly most often quicker.[/b]

What a fabulous world we'd live in if we could either standardise on mains power, or produce tools that didn't care.

On that, I'm amazed that some company hasn't produced a range of compact power converter modules that would allow manufacturers to "internationalise" their tools easily. I'm visualising high, medium and low current modules that accept variable voltage and frequency in and output a voltage specific to the manufacturers standard. It's gotta be doable if the volume market can be created ...

If you mean smart modules within the tool Kev, that is a great idea. And with Festool you would only have to have the correct plug it lead for your country.

Exactly!

And maybe, just maybe, our Nth American friends would suffer less from NAINA! [eek] [eek]

[popcorn] [popcorn]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Reiska on May 05, 2014, 10:12 AM

Well, every computer has a universal power supply so I'm sure building universal motors should be doable but if you try to stick the transformer coils in a tool with high wattage you are introducing a lot of extra heat from the transformation and weight of the coils.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 06, 2014, 08:12 AM

Well, every computer has a universal power supply so I'm sure building universal motors should be doable but if you try to stick the transformer coils in a tool with high wattage you are introducing a lot of extra heat from the transformation and weight of the coils.

Yes, but what if Festool developed an 'intelligent motor' that could run on multiple power supplies due to chip control. This motor could consequently also deal with long extension cords and power fluctuations, particularly in remote areas or from portable generators.

Reiska, my ignorance beyond the basic physics of electrical conductivity gives me the advantage of challenging the preconceptions of those who really know. [smile]

I still think Kev is on to something here.

Best wishes.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on June 24, 2014, 06:24 PM

Assuming that this thread can continue its multiple topics.

Rail Saw in Festool livery (not PROTOOL) is now on Festool AUST website.

After some conversations at a tool show last week i was told the BHC18 still looks on track for mid August and were also getting the TSC55.... Possibly even as a Skin

Hi Mike,

Yes the PDC18 has been there a few weeks now. By expected drills I meant the BHC and Festool livery PROTOOL PDP 20 and DRP18, which as we know are in the pipeline for August. A Salesperson recently told me of lost TSC55 sales to UK via internet. [blink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 26, 2014, 03:38 AM

I suppose you all got the BHC and TSC coming memo today [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on June 26, 2014, 05:08 AM

But there was no talk of the venturo, wonder when that is coming

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 26, 2014, 05:39 AM

Email arrived late this afternoon AEST from Festool Aust. publicising a wood Show in Brisbane, Aug 6-9 and the fact they will be demonstrating the Conturo.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on July 05, 2014, 06:32 AM

I posted in the other thread (http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/don%27t-like-sawhorses-keter-work-tables/msg306961/) about this, but in case anyone is interested, the Keter Work Tables are on discount from $98 down to $78 at Masters.

Festool AUST email just arrived with invitation to the Product Launch and demonstration of the Conturo, BHC, and TSC 55 at the ToolHouse in Dandenong Sth. (Melbourne) on Saturday July 19th, 9-12. Demonstration will be by Thomas Griess from Festool Germany.

Unfortunately a +2hr drive for me, and I will be working anyway.

And just when you purchased all that self adhesive edge banding Kev! [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on July 08, 2014, 08:18 PM

Just recieved an invite to the Canberra product launch of Conturo, BHC, and TSC 55 at Combined electrical Tuesday 29th July,seems to be invite only but any registered owners should recieve one.

I will definately purchase the TSC 55 on the day and posibbly the BHC hammer drill,I could stretch to a cordless jigsaw as well given the 4.2 ah 18v batteries fit all three.

I really do like my Makita LXT tools (cant find any i dont have inc new LXT by 2 range)but will transition to Festool for some items as they become avaiable now there is a range developing for a standard battery platform.

Would really like the edgebander but dont do enough to justify the cost,pity this launch wasnt in June for an EOFY sale given the tax advantages etc.

Festool AUST email just arrived with invitation to the Product Launch and demonstration of the Conturo, BHC, and TSC 55 at the ToolHouse in Dandenong Sth. (Melbourne) on Saturday July 19th, 9-12. Demonstration will be by Thomas Griess from Festool Germany.

Unfortunately a +2hr drive for me, and I will be working anyway.

And just when you purchased all that self adhesive edge banding Kev! [smile]

I still haven't organised pickup / delivery ... I'm tempted to just pay for it and give to any Melbournite that wants to pick it up. Any takers??

And now just noticed this one -http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/768939/SubProducts/768938 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/768939/SubProducts/768938)

Of the corded Protool drills only the DRP18 left for badge conversion down here.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 22, 2014, 04:35 AM

I've just put my TSC and BHC "pre order" in ... sadly going to miss my Sydney demo of the Conturo as I'll be in a business workshop in Melbourne for a few days [sad]

I need a new tool made specially for me ... an edge banding glue stripping machine [eek]

Quote from EMail from Festool, Aust. this morning.'Together with Just Tools we would like to extend an invitation to you to come along to the Festool NEW Product Launch.

From 1.00pm - 5.00pm Friday 15th August and 8.30am - 1pm Saturday 16th August there will be live NEW Festool product demonstration sessions.

Be one of the first to see the NEW TSC 55 Cordless Plunge Cut Saw, the BHC 18 Hammer Drill and the CONTURO Edge Bander Machine. Register your attendance by the 12th August . . . '

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on July 30, 2014, 12:53 AM

Went to the Canberra demo last night and ordered my TSC,apparently will be here next week.

$1099 with two baterries and charger in Systainer.Promo for August gets third 18v 4.2 ah battery for free.

The angle setting is improved from the corded model and the blade change is slightly different.

Drill only available as a skin but promo gets you a free battery i think around $450 from memory.

Big news was the Festool committment to cordless with a roll out of two to three new products each year going forward.Some are apparently not far away from release.

Battery and charger prices have been reduced to encourage people to migrate to the platform as other items become available.

I had another Makita LXT battery die last week so i will progressively swap to all green as it is available.

Edge bander looks the goods but the with all the bells and whistles its 5k +,doubt i can justify it but its now on my list so if i win a few good jobs who knows.Stationary it fits into a modified MFT table but although functional this looks like a bit of a rush to have something available IMO.

Combined Electrical (Kim and Belinda)provided coffee, cakes and soft drinks etc and allowed their shop to be taken over for the demo. The two Festool Reps (Don and the trainer from Melbourne whose name escapes me)were helpful and well versed on the products so a good way to spend the evening.

Not sure if they read the FOG but a big thanks to all.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 01, 2014, 10:42 AM

I "put the order in" for my TSC and BHC just over a week ago ... hardly necessary as my dealer responded with "I've already ordered yours" [embarassed]

I agree on the lack of sophistication of the Conturo MFT adaption - I'd like to see something better considering the machine's $5K local price of the base unit and accessories, which I think is about $1K over the reasonable mark. Some of the less sophisticated edge banders on the market actually have quite interesting integrated stations that cost less that an MFT/3 + Conturo extras ($1,215 + $220 + $495 = $1,930).

The Conturo glue pucks are also pricey at $189 a box (about $4 each).

Then there's the MFK / OFK consideration ... and what would it all be without a nice VAC-SYS to top it off!

On the flip side though, I can imagine a complete Conturo setup in the back of a modest van being a snazzy little specialist business [wink] [smile] ... maybe it's my calling to get out of corporate IT !!

The Bleeding Edge ... even got the name!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...BHC18
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 04, 2014, 06:41 PM

it confirms that the BHC18 is only being released as skin or as Festool call it, a Flexi. This to me is short sited. Obviously Festool Aust. do not see this as an 'entry drill', but I am sure that many in medium construction might!

For prices and details of new Australian releases for August see -

http://www.festool.com.au (http://www.festool.com.au)

Edit. I retract my criticism slightly as I see they are selling chargers for only $60A, however that still leaves 2 batts to purchase separately.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on August 05, 2014, 12:57 AM

If you buy it this month apparently you will get one free battery even if purchased as a skin.

So buy the TSC as well which comes with a third free battery this month as well,so two tools and 4 batteries but one charger.

The bigger problem is no systainer i reckon.

My TSC came in on Friday and used it over the w/end and it is perfect.The systainer set up is excellent with a spot for everything.

I may just be as predictable as Kev as mine was already on its way before i "placed" my order at the demo.

My personal total of Festool tracks saws is now 4!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 05, 2014, 03:05 AM

If you buy it this month apparently you will get one free battery even if purchased

The bigger problem is no systainer i reckon.

Hi,If you are referring to the BHC18, according to the Festool website it comes with a Sys 2, which makes the lack of charger and batts. even more of a puzzle. Most other companies such as Makita provide skins in a cardboard box.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2014, 04:08 AM

Friday I should be picking up my TSC and BHC + 2 batteries. I'll grab and extra charger.

Story is the 5Ah batteries are coming, otherwise I'd grab a couple more 4.2Ah's.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 05, 2014, 04:12 AM

My understanding of the Flexi Option is such that you only buy the Parts you need.

For me i don't need another charger so I want BHC18 + 2 Batteries and thats all i have to pay for with Systainer included ( + Bonus Battery from Promotion ) So it's a build your own kit system.

I may even for now just buy one Battery since one comes for free.

If you were to buy a kit then it would likely be sold at the total price of all separates and you may have to pay for something yo don't need.

I believe you're spot on. I think it's also a great way of stopping some of the less honest resellers selling a kit for $100 less minus a battery, then selling the battery for $200 (thinking of a reasonably large multi brand mob, XXXXXX Tools !)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on August 05, 2014, 10:10 AM

If my interpretation is correct when referring to XXXXXX Tools Then they are selling the BHC18 for $519 as skin only, which is as we now know the Festool RRP of $469

They seem to jack up the Festool prices indeed.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2014, 10:26 AM

Can't wait for more 18V FLEXI tools [smile] ... there must be a recipro in the works!!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on August 06, 2014, 07:38 AM

I'm going to join you Kev.... picked up the BHC18 and 2 Batteries today ( free one and bought one ). Looking forward to putting it to work tomorrow.

Kev did you get the bumpers for the Batteries? or just belt clip versions?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on August 06, 2014, 08:13 AM

Couldnt help myself today once i realised the flexi tools come in a systainer and now i have a 420 carvex and free battery.Should have grabbed another battery and charger so will go back on the w/end to complete the mission.

Hope Kev is right about a recipro coming sometime and i would love a cordless planer!

Will try hard to find something to cut with the carvex on the job tomorrow.

BTW does anyone know of a reliable online retailer of the Collins coping foot for the carvex who ships to Aus?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on August 06, 2014, 09:00 AM

I have nothing cordless Festool at the moment, but was thinking of getting a jigsaw as my next purchase.

Hmm... have I got this right? Build it yourself is the most value?

Option 1 - Build it myself ($474 + blades)At the moment the cordless barrel grip carvex flexi is $429 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561735/SubProducts/561735) (in SYS 2) with a free 4.2Ah battery. Then I need to add a charger for $45 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/495226), bringing the total to $474. (And need to add some blades).

Option 2 - Hybrid Set (total $642)$597 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561634/SubProducts/561634) (Basic Set in SYS3 with 2.6Ah) and need to add the charger for $45 bringing the total to $642

Option 3 - the official starter set ($699)If I got it as a set, it would be $699 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561634/SubProducts/561632) (official set in SYS3 with a 3.2Ah and charger)

And it is cheaper than a plug in Trion at $515 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561444/SubProducts/561444)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 06, 2014, 09:29 AM

Couldnt help myself today once i realised the flexi tools come in a systainer and now i have a 420 carvex and free battery.Should have grabbed another battery and charger so will go back on the w/end to complete the mission.

Hope Kev is right about a recipro coming sometime and i would love a cordless planer!

Will try hard to find something to cut with the carvex on the job tomorrow.

BTW does anyone know of a reliable online retailer of the Collins coping foot for the carvex who ships to Aus?

Post in the general section .. if not I'm certain a US Fogger will come to your aid.

Keep us informed - I'd probably grab one too.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 06, 2014, 09:37 AM

I have nothing cordless Festool at the moment, but was thinking of getting a jigsaw as my next purchase.

Hmm... have I got this right? Build it yourself is the most value?

Option 1 - Build it myself ($474 + blades)At the moment the cordless barrel grip carvex flexi is $429 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561735/SubProducts/561735) (in SYS 2) with a free 4.2Ah battery. Then I need to add a charger for $45 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/495226), bringing the total to $474. (And need to add some blades).

Option 2 - Hybrid Set (total $642)$597 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561634/SubProducts/561634) (Basic Set in SYS3 with 2.6Ah) and need to add the charger for $45 bringing the total to $642

Option 3 - the official starter set ($699)If I got it as a set, it would be $699 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561634/SubProducts/561632) (official set in SYS3 with a 3.2Ah and charger)

And it is cheaper than a plug in Trion at $515 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561444/SubProducts/561444)

Skin in Systainer with a free 18V 4.2Ah battery and buy the charger is the ONLY way to go!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 06, 2014, 10:08 AM

'The Boss is back!'

With all the hoopla regarding Flexi Batt Tools, this one snuck under the radar!

Festool Aust have a survey competition with a TSC55 as the prize.'The winner will receive a TSC 55 Plus (561682) with 2 x 18V 4.1ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a Charger in a Systainer valued at $1,099 RRP!'Check your email if it is registered with Festool Aust. As yet cannot find link on their web page.

Also look for details of possibility for end user sessions. See Peter's FOG post for details.

Festool Aust have a survey competition with a TSC55 as the prize.'The winner will receive a TSC 55 Plus (561682) with 2 x 18V 4.1ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a Charger in a Systainer valued at $1,099 RRP!'Check your email if it is registered with Festool Aust. As yet cannot find link on their web page.

Also look for details of possibility for end user sessions. See Peter's FOG post for details.

Festool Aust have a survey competition with a TSC55 as the prize.'The winner will receive a TSC 55 Plus (561682) with 2 x 18V 4.1ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a Charger in a Systainer valued at $1,099 RRP!'Check your email if it is registered with Festool Aust. As yet cannot find link on their web page.

Also look for details of possibility for end user sessions. See Peter's FOG post for details.

Festool Aust have a survey competition with a TSC55 as the prize.'The winner will receive a TSC 55 Plus (561682) with 2 x 18V 4.1ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a Charger in a Systainer valued at $1,099 RRP!'Check your email if it is registered with Festool Aust. As yet cannot find link on their web page.

Also look for details of possibility for end user sessions. See Peter's FOG post for details.

Festool Aust have a survey competition with a TSC55 as the prize.'The winner will receive a TSC 55 Plus (561682) with 2 x 18V 4.1ah Lithium Ion Batteries and a Charger in a Systainer valued at $1,099 RRP!'Check your email if it is registered with Festool Aust. As yet cannot find link on their web page.

Also look for details of possibility for end user sessions. See Peter's FOG post for details.

You could always give it to a charity - just hang on a second and I'll go and register one [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... October 22, Genuine Training or Sales event?
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 16, 2014, 07:14 PM

Did you receive an invitation from Festool Aust for training sessions on Oct 22?

I am left wondering if these are more a sales promotion than genuine training given the invitation's graphic style and information provided, the 'workshops' are shorter than 1/2 day, in fact 1/2 an hour, and that they are at a dealer rather than Festool Aust HQ. I do not want to travel 2 hrs to attend a sales event dressed up as 'training', but might if it was genuine 1/2 day.

What do other Aussies think?Is this a dealer piggy backing on the recent Festool AUS training survey?

Did you receive an invitation from Festool Aust for training sessions on Oct 22?

I am left wondering if these are more a sales promotion than genuine training given the invitation's graphic style and information provided, the 'workshops' are shorter than 1/2 day, in fact 1/2 an hour, and that they are at a dealer rather than Festool Aust HQ. I do not want to travel 2 hrs to attend a sales event dressed up as 'training', but might if it was genuine 1/2 day.

What do other Aussies think?Is this a dealer piggy backing on the recent Festool AUS training survey?

I'd attend something like that if it was convenient and it was in my spare time. You're not going to learn anything new that'll change the way you use your current Festools ... That'd be purely targeted as selling you more.

My local (Northern Abrasives) put on evenings to run through just a couple of tools and give you heaps of time to get hands on and ask questions - those I make an effort to attend.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... Is this Kev on Festool Aust Facebook?
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 09, 2014, 07:14 PM

Recently on a post Kev published his picture wearing a Festool Cap.http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/what-festool-promotional-or-rare-items-do-you-have/msg350785/#msg350785 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/what-festool-promotional-or-rare-items-do-you-have/msg350785/#msg350785)

Today looking at Festool Aust Facebook page and the item share with us what you are doing this weekend I see -

Recently on a post Kev published his picture wearing a Festool Cap.http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/what-festool-promotional-or-rare-items-do-you-have/msg350785/#msg350785 (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/what-festool-promotional-or-rare-items-do-you-have/msg350785/#msg350785)

Today looking at Festool Aust Facebook page and the item share with us what you are doing this weekend I see -

I've lost a little hair since then, but at least my teeth have grown back [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on November 12, 2014, 10:02 PM

Hey Kev i noticed in the background of one of your pics a hammerlock workbench and thought you (and maybe others) might be interested in the plywood drawer cubes i made a while back for my hammerlock benches.As my wife seems determined to stay in the Air Force and we are still moving around on a regular basis all my gear has to fit in a double garage as that is the only shed space i can be gauranteed to have in each location.Over the last few years i have made heaps of different cupboards and benches etc which i can dismantle and re-establish quickly each time we move.The hammerlock started as a quick fix but with the addition of the drawers have become super handy and they do break down and go back together very easily.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 13, 2014, 03:48 AM

Hey Kev i noticed in the background of one of your pics a hammerlock workbench and thought you (and maybe others) might be interested in the plywood drawer cubes i made a while back for my hammerlock benches.As my wife seems determined to stay in the Air Force and we are still moving around on a regular basis all my gear has to fit in a double garage as that is the only shed space i can be gauranteed to have in each location.Over the last few years i have made heaps of different cupboards and benches etc which i can dismantle and re-establish quickly each time we move.The hammerlock started as a quick fix but with the addition of the drawers have become super handy and they do break down and go back together very easily.

Cool idea thanks [wink]

One of the first things I did was replace the tops with 25mm ply. The MDF on them is fine as a shelf, but useless as a bench top.

Something somewhat related, I remember seeing somewhere a guy had mounted those plastic milk crate size cubes on drawer runners in a hammerlock shelf frame ... wish I had a pick of the detail to share!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies. They are on the way.
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 21, 2014, 03:02 AM

Those of you on the Festool AUS email list would now know the Wings and Drawers will be down under in January and the Vecturo in March.

Looks like our NA friends are ahead of us this time! [eek] [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies. They are on the way.
Post by: Kev on November 21, 2014, 05:29 AM

Those of you on the Festool AUS email list would now know the Wings and Drawers will be down under in January and the Vecturo in March.

Looks like our NA friends are ahead of us this time! [eek] [big grin]

Yeh - not happy Jane!!

Plus the eoy sale isn't that special .. picked up a cheap CHP45, AGP125, 6 more Protool TB's and a Winkel-angle-thing. They never put the stuff on sale I REALLY want ... so I just buy more "stuff" [embarassed]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: jobsworth on November 21, 2014, 06:18 AM

Look at the bright side, you'll just about be done paying off the Xmas gifts then yer back in hock for the festool toys [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies. They are on the way.
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 21, 2014, 06:21 AM

Those of you on the Festool AUS email list would now know the Wings and Drawers will be down under in January and the Vecturo in March.

Looks like our NA friends are ahead of us this time! [eek] [big grin]

Yeh - not happy Jane!!

Plus the eoy sale isn't that special .. picked up a cheap CHP45, AGP125, 6 more Protool TB's and a Winkel-angle-thing. They never put the stuff on sale I REALLY want ... so I just buy more "stuff" [embarassed]

Kev was the EOY sale just at Northern Abrasives? Could not find any details on Festool Aus website

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 21, 2014, 02:13 PM

All Festool resellers would have got the promo - I first noticed the discounts on the ideal tools.com.au website.

Significant discounts were mainly on Protool lines. Unfortunately some things I already have were well discounted [sad]

Still a few cheap corded drills.

I hear what's left will go up on the Festool site cheap as a direct offer.

Not really a discount given their already premium prices on festool more than 10% more than other options in Australia. Plus they put their prices up significantly on everything else recently too.

I didn't think dealers were allowed to set their own prices.

Only in NA. Everywhere else is recommended retail price or variations.

For example compare these two AUS sites for KAPEX.http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561288/SubProducts/561288 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561288/SubProducts/561288)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...problems with Festool Aust Website!
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 24, 2014, 07:50 PM

It could be Safari, or latest IPad operating system, or the webmaster at Festool Aust., or all three causing two problems for me with their website during the past few weeks.

1. I find that I can no longer download manuals. I had a similar problem with UK site earlier in the year when they changed to a format no longer supported by IBooks.

2. The search feature is inoperable on some pages within the site. As can be seen in the screen shot there is a frozen 'About Us' in outline print with a vertical line over the key in box.

Obviously I want this fixed by New Years Day! Ha ha! [big grin] [popcorn] [big grin]

Can anyone else confirm this difficulty using an IPad with or without latest OS, or with PC? With appreciation.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on December 26, 2014, 08:28 AM

Yep, I have the same problem searching the festool Aus web site with my ipad, I'm using version 6.1.3. If I need to look anything up, I have to reach for the lap top. Widows 7, no problems there so it's only on the ipad where this occurs. I find that Festool aren't alone in their web site not working properly on the ipad, there was a few other sites, can't remember which ones though. I'm sure this is an easy fix for festool to sort out.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 26, 2014, 03:11 PM

Thanks DB.

I emailed a less embellished version of my post to Festool Aus. yesterday. Will see what transpires.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on December 26, 2014, 06:35 PM

Thanks for taking the time to contact them. I'll be interested in there response and what they have to say as it's a pain when you want to check on something quickly.

Congratulations and appreciation to Holger and his staff at Festool Australia who have been working the past few days to make the Festool website IPad friendly.

IPad users should now find the Search function now works, and manuals can now be downloaded to IBooks. So far I have successfully downloaded the following manuals-BHC 18, PD20 QuaDrill, Boom Arm, TS55, DSG 125 and KA 65 Conturo (Color). Vac clamp system, PD20 QuaDrill , PF1200, PS420 and Kapex 120

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on December 30, 2014, 04:13 AM

Good work, I'd noticed earlier today that it looked a little different, so I tried a search & it was working fine.

Thanks,

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on January 01, 2015, 07:31 AM

Regarding pricing of Festool products in Australia....I was advised last week by my main Festool retailer they have been told from the local importer that from next year (now) they must sell Festool at RRP. No discounting will be permitted. Has anyone heard similar information?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on January 01, 2015, 07:49 AM

Yes, heard that the 'no discount' was coming. Certainly will make a difference, as our RRP's seem to be high, compared to elsewhere.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 01, 2015, 08:25 AM

Regarding pricing of Festool products in Australia....I was advised last week by my main Festool retailer they have been told from the local importer that from next year (now) they must sell Festool at RRP. No discounting will be permitted. Has anyone heard similar information?

Nobody can truly stop discounting - it just takes on other forms.

"Forced RRP" is a bit of an oxymoron too ! [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 08, 2015, 07:14 AM

No evidence that discounting has ended yet.

Look out for these specials and drawer and wing introductory prices at -

Regarding pricing of Festool products in Australia....I was advised last week by my main Festool retailer they have been told from the local importer that from next year (now) they must sell Festool at RRP. No discounting will be permitted. Has anyone heard similar information?

I was told the same thing.... thought won't take effect till a bit later in the year, around April if i recall correctly. Service and support are to be the extra benefits. Like immediate loan tools if yours goes in for service. + a few other initiatives i can't recall.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on January 12, 2015, 05:26 AM

I heard discounting stops april

I was told festool Australia won court case with ACCC to allow this to happen

RegardsBryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on January 12, 2015, 06:21 AM

I can see why Festool would want to alleviate the issue of real shops providing information and service, but online retailers making the sales. However, I buy my Festool gear through Just Tools in Sth Melbourne, who provide good service and generally have the cheapest prices.

Anyway, those retailers are going to be in luck now, with an instant bonus once they're "forced" to all sell at the same higher price!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Halle on January 12, 2015, 07:08 AM

Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 13, 2015, 03:45 AM

I can see why Festool would want to alleviate the issue of real shops providing information and service, but online retailers making the sales. However, I buy my Festool gear through Just Tools in Sth Melbourne, who provide good service and generally have the cheapest prices.

Anyway, those retailers are going to be in luck now, with an instant bonus once they're "forced" to all sell at the same higher price!

Cannot see how the already excellent service provided by Just Tools will improve just because of retail price maintenance!

And there is at least one other dealer in Melbourne that does not discount and whose service is just not in the same league!

Pitty the ACCC did not canvas some customer views.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on January 13, 2015, 03:57 AM

And there is at least one other dealer in Melbourne that does not discount and whose service is just not in the same league!

+1.. If you're referring to a certain place in the south east, I was a little bit disappointed when I visited a couple of weeks ago, and knew more about the Festool range (after owning a few tools for 2 months) than the staff working that day.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 13, 2015, 04:02 AM

And there is at least one other dealer in Melbourne that does not discount and whose service is just not in the same league!

+1.. If you're referring to a certain place in the south east, I was a little bit disappointed when I visited a couple of weeks ago, and knew more about the Festool range (after owning a few tools for 2 months) than the staff working that day.

[smile] sssshhhh! They may hear us, and shock, horror lift their game! [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on January 13, 2015, 04:46 AM

I have purchased Festool in NSW,QLD and the ACT over many years and the dealers have always registered the tools for me and I then recieved confirmation etc by mail around 3 to 4 weeks later.I bought several products last year and this was still the same. I have never even thought to try registering myself online as it has never been required.Thought this was normal but maybe i have just been lucky.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 13, 2015, 05:25 AM

I have purchased Festool in NSW,QLD and the ACT over many years and the dealers have always registered the tools for me and I then recieved confirmation etc by mail around 3 to 4 weeks later.I bought several products last year and this was still the same. I have never even thought to try registering myself online as it has never been required.Thought this was normal but maybe i have just been lucky.

Hi Larso,

It is normal in my experience.Did not even know you could register on line in Aus.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on January 13, 2015, 06:13 AM

Well thats embarrassing,reading several posts but replying to the wrong one!

Would probably have made more sense to you if i put it in this topic

Registering tools in Aust by mike68au (Ask Festool)

Oh well hope someone here notices this and moves it to the correct spot.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on January 13, 2015, 06:50 AM

The ACCC acknowledge the introduction of Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) for Festool products in Australia will lead to some consumers paying more for Festool products.Price fixing will be good for most retailers but consumers will be 'slugged' with paying more for products that are already expensive. How much more will we be asked to pay? I can myself looking at other brands of power tools in the future.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 13, 2015, 07:11 AM

Can anyone confirm April (1?) as the month this comes in to force.

The full judgement on page 27 says it comes into force from December 27th, 2014. It expires on December 31st, 2018. (Carn't wait?! [smile]).

The ACCC acknowledge the introduction of Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) for Festool products in Australia will lead to some consumers paying more for Festool products.Price fixing will be good for most retailers but consumers will be 'slugged' with paying more for products that are already expensive. How much more will we be asked to pay? I can myself looking at other brands of power tools in the future.

Yep It's all about greed, if Just tools can sell at a certain price and still make profit, what justification does Tooltechnic have to charge higher prices, after all Just tools must get their tools through Tooltechnic.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on January 14, 2015, 02:49 AM

Regarding timing of price fixing in Australia the ACCC state

 The roll out of its new dealer agreement will take some months and it expects to settle changes to the composition of the Festool dealership and the dealer types in early to mid 2016. It will take Tooltechnic 12 months to implement its proposed changes post- authorisation, including increased provision of training, installation of new premium shops and monitoring the performance of dealers. In this same 12 month transition period, dealers will need to familiarise themselves with the new agreement and determine the extent to which they will invest in facilities intended to improve retail services (such as setting up demonstration and repair facilities in-store). If the period of authorisation ends in December 2017 as proposed in the draft determination, this gives dealers less than two years of certainty in relation to margins from their investments in retail services. Tooltechnic is of the view that the improvements in retail services flowing from the authorisation will not be as significant during a three year authorisation compared to a longer period of time

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... Wood and Installers Kit.
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 08, 2015, 07:25 PM

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Am I wrong? But does Festool import (or has in the past) either the Installers or the new Wood Kits to Australia? Can not find either on website

If not, this is a NAIA! [eek] [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on February 11, 2015, 10:07 AM

I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so thought i would add it here:

Recently I was asked by my Festool Rep to write a testimonial in regards to my Festool purchases and usage. I agreed and was e-mailed a small list of questions and also asked to write a bit about myself as well.

In return i was given some promotional items and was very grateful. There was also the mention that they may use my testimonial in on the blog/ web page in the future

Well that future has come to be and Festool Australia has done a Customer Focus article on myself and posted it on there Blog page. Very happy to share my thoughts and feelings on their products. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 11, 2015, 05:27 PM

Great article Mike.

You certainly do enjoy the Festool work flow.

Edit.I see from your own blog, that you have updated your vehicle. Is it decked out with home built Systainer racks yet?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on February 12, 2015, 01:56 AM

Yes i have changed indeed Untidy.

Gave up the VW Caddy Van and went with the VW Amarok Dual Cab Ute. Vast change but it has worked out quite well. The sysytainers have definitely made the transition easy.

I have wanted a dual cab for a long time plusI also wanted a dual purpose vehicle and something that could carry more than 2 people and the Amarok fitted the bill for me. And it is so so much better to drive than the Van.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies..discounting ends April 1.
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 17, 2015, 07:17 PM

April 1 is confirmed for end of discounting of Festool in Australia. [eek]

Festool Australia may have really misjudged the Australian market environment in seeking this exemption from the ACCC. Other tool importers/companies generally allow retail price setting, and Australians expect 'mates rates'.

If your local Festool dealer discounts, NOW, might be the time for a visit. [smile]Not happy!! [sad] [mad]

Today I discovered Carroll's Woodcraft Supplies, located in Moolap just 10 mins drive east of Geelong's CBD.

A little gem for those looking for specialist finishing oils, French Polish, waxes and Titebond Glues.

They also stock machine tabletop treatments such as SureGlide

Check their website at -http://www.cwsonline.com.au/index.html (http://www.cwsonline.com.au/index.html)

For those Australians living South West of Melbourne [and in SW Victoria], this small business is a viable alternative for many finishing products that due to postal regulations, require a personal trip to that certain big store in SE Melbourne. And many other products can be purchased on line.I have no connection, and only discovered them today in my quest for Titebond.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on March 12, 2015, 04:44 AM

I know that you have an untidy shop but you seem to have misplaced your antique plumb bobs.

Thanks for the link it sure is closer to me than the far side of Melbourne. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... 30 Day Return in Australia/ Vecturo arives
Post by: Untidy Shop on March 31, 2015, 07:28 AM

As most Australian Festoolians know, in 1hr and 35 mins [AEST], dealer discounting of Festool items ends in Australia.

Just looked at the Festool Australia a Website and as expected we get in return for no discounting, Service All Inclusive with 30 day returns.

The good news here though is that those Aussies looking for a 'T' alternative to the 'C' of the CXS: it has arrived.

See #137.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 14, 2015, 08:45 AM

Does anyone know if the new 2.6ah CXS & TXS sets come with two batteries, I know they do in Europe but it's not always the case that a set will be the same in Aus. Whilst looking on the Festool Aus web site, It is not clear on how many batteries are included. It also took a lot of searching to find the new 10.8v 2.6 batteries on their web site and they do not as yet, have a price against them.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 14, 2015, 08:40 PM

I've just spoken with Festool Aus regarding how many batteries come with the new CXS as their web site is not clear and they don't know they will go out to the warehouse and check the stock for me. I hope it does as its $385 for the set. And C&L tool centre up in Queensland are selling it for $ 399, and they state on their website that it has two batteries, I don't want to be paying $15 less but only get one battery.

On a side note I asked Festool Aus about the C18 release date and they are being sent out to the dealers today and apparently it is now up on the Festool Aus web site.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on April 15, 2015, 12:06 AM

Can't see it there yet - maybe soon. My wallet is shuddering as we speak!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 15, 2015, 12:21 AM

I can't see it there either, but they assured me it's out there.My wallet has now gone into hiding. Good news is that Festool Aus have just confirmed that the CXS definitely comes with two batteries and they will update their website to state this accordingly.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 15, 2015, 12:29 AM

I can't see it there either, but they assured me it's out there.My wallet has now gone into hiding. Good news is that Festool Aus have just confirmed that the CXS definitely comes with two batteries and they will update their website to state this accordingly.

The C18 will probably appear on their website overnight. I note they are still calling the TXS a CXS in the text. Apart from my recent comment in this thread, I also emailed them last week.

With the C18, my wallet is quite relaxed as in Feb, I purchased a C15 made in Jan this year; and at a discounted price! [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 15, 2015, 01:30 AM

@Untidy Shop Yep, JT had registered it for me, there a good bunch of lads over there. Thanks for the heads up on that. You got me started on Discounting now.My local Festool Dealer is day dreaming when he said to me that price fixing will be good for their business, as all dealers will now have to play on a level playing field.

My local dealer has now become quite obsolete to me, there is no point for me to drive 45 mins burning up fuel to put an order in with a sales person who knows very little about festool, as the so called expert on hand is never there.Only to find that most of what I need they won't hold in stock and will have to order in, resulting in a return trip usually a week later when the stock arrives. When I can order on line with Festool Aus at the same prices, my orders usually come post free and arrive in one go a few days later. There is only one business who will thrive with this arrangement and I wonder who that will be.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 15, 2015, 02:09 AM

@Untidy Shop Yep, JT had registered it for me, there a good bunch of lads over there. Thanks for the heads up on that. You got me started on Discounting now.My local Festool Dealer is day dreaming when he said to me that price fixing will be good for their business, as all dealers will now have to play on a level playing field.

My local dealer has now become quite obsolete to me, there is no point for me to drive 45 mins burning up fuel to put an order in with a sales person who knows very little about festool, as the so called expert on hand is never there.Only to find that most of what I need they won't hold in stock and will have to order in, resulting in a return trip usually a week later when the stock arrives. When I can order on line with Festool Aus at the same prices, my orders usually come post free and arrive in one go a few days later. There is only one business who will thrive with this arrangement and I wonder who that will be.

Couldn't agree more, what was the ACCC thinking when they thought this move would increase competition!!?

I will continue to support JT however, as their staff offer excellent service and knowledge and both shop and Internet services. And they sell more than just Festool. It is customer service such as theirs that will keep some stores selling Festool due to demand from their own 'fan' base.

Whether some other stores drop Festool as their service is not up to scratch and sales drop, or reduce their display space and range, in the face of Festool HQ Internet sales, remains to be seen.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on April 15, 2015, 06:52 AM

The last Festool I bought was an HL850, about six months ago from my local, with a nice discount. I honestly can't see when my next Festool purchase will be, with the already high prices, and no chance of getting a better than retail price.Thing is, I'd like to keep my 1400 router in a table, and buy a 1010 for hand/guide rail use. I could have got the price down enough, that buying a Makita (for example) would cease to be an attractive option. I would pay the bit extra and not even think about it. Now, buying another brand and leaving that in the table, freeing up my 1400, seems like a much better idea.I recently upgraded my TS55, and in the past would have checked out the 75 - but it make more sense to import a different saw direct from Germany. Looks like the change has had an effect on me.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on April 15, 2015, 07:44 AM

The last Festool I bought was an HL850, about six months ago from my local, with a nice discount. I honestly can't see when my next Festool purchase will be, with the already high prices, and no chance of getting a better than retail price.Thing is, I'd like to keep my 1400 router in a table, and buy a 1010 for hand/guide rail use. I could have got the price down enough, that buying a Makita (for example) would cease to be an attractive option. I would pay the bit extra and not even think about it. Now, buying another brand and leaving that in the table, freeing up my 1400, seems like a much better idea.I recently upgraded my TS55, and in the past would have checked out the 75 - but it make more sense to import a different saw direct from Germany. Looks like the change has had an effect on me.

I too haven't bought a new Festool in the last six months. At my last visit (6 months ago) to my preferred Premium Festool dealer I was told about about the ACCC decision to allow Festool price fixing in Australia. This is a total turn off to me.Over the last few years I have bought at least twenty Festool tools. I expect future purchases will be a mix of different brands.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 15, 2015, 09:03 AM

[thumbs up] [thumbs up] for JT. Just wish I lived within driving distance to them.

You are right about this price fixing being a turn off, whether you are trade or not if you are spending big bucks with one supplier, and we are talking about enough money here to buy a car, you expect a bit of discount, it's the way it's always been and it makes you feel valued. And that's what's missing here now, as a customer you don't feel valued anymore. Dealers can't help as their hands have now been tied, so it is only natural to start looking at other brands for new purchases, and if you look at the three big M's Makita Milwaukee and Metabo, you can still get some good discounts there.

Strange that Festool have chosen this route to price fix here, as there hasn't been any explanation to the customer from what I've seen, only what I've been told from the dealers. They wouldn't get away with this in Europe so why try it over here.@Untidy Shop

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: SittingElf on April 15, 2015, 09:24 AM

We went through the same thing in the USA. Originally, there was the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that prohibited price fixing. Unfortunately, the Act was modified later which opened the gates for companies like Festool to set SELLING prices, not just Minimum Advertised Prices as was the case previously.

From the last post: "...and we are talking about enough money here to buy a car..."Ummm, actually about THREE cars! [eek]

I can't justify paying US$175 for a Syslite, though I'd love to have one. It would be nice if Festool "rewarded" me for my intense loyalty and purchases by sending me one as swag! Festool, are you listening? The hat was nice, but c'mon! Just saying.... [tongue]

Cheers,

Frank

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on April 15, 2015, 09:32 AM

My local dealer has now become quite obsolete to me, there is no point for me to drive 45 mins burning up fuel to put an order in with a sales person who knows very little about festool, as the so called expert on hand is never there.Only to find that most of what I need they won't hold in stock and will have to order in, resulting in a return trip usually a week later when the stock arrives. When I can order on line with Festool Aus at the same prices, my orders usually come post free and arrive in one go a few days later. There is only one business who will thrive with this arrangement and I wonder who that will be.

Just about to order a CMS-OF and non of my usual dealers carry it in stock, but will get it in and send it to me in a few days at retail+freight.

And as you say I can order online with Festool Aust at the same price, post free and get it quicker.

This is what the Aust Government considers to be competition - probably why in Aust two supermarket chains have 80% of the business.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 15, 2015, 09:59 AM

We went through the same thing in the USA. Originally, there was the Sherman Anti-Trust Act that prohibited price fixing. Unfortunately, the Act was modified later which opened the gates for companies like Festool to set SELLING prices, not just Minimum Advertised Prices as was the case previously.

From the last post: "...and we are talking about enough money here to buy a car..."Ummm, actually about THREE cars! [eek]

I can't justify paying US$175 for a Syslite, though I'd love to have one. It would be nice if Festool "rewarded" me for my intense loyalty and purchases by sending me one as swag! Festool, are you listening? The hat was nice, but c'mon! Just saying.... [tongue]

Cheers,

Frank

You are forgetting that cars cost 3 times as much down here & Festools cost 10 times more.

Hats would be nice, we just get stubby holders now.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... The Checkout.
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 15, 2015, 10:17 AM

I just emailed 'The Checkout' ABC program re ACCC decision. They probably will not pick it up, but I feel better now! [smile] [eek]

For information of non-Aussies 'The Checkout' is a satirical consumer rights program.http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/ (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/)@DB10@Michael1960@benwheeler@Kev@Linbro

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 21, 2015, 02:12 AM

Untitdy, I didn't mention the ACCC. But the rep brought up the subject of "price fixing", not that he used those exact words and mentioned that, when you put an order in on line there is a section that you have to tick that states your premium shop. When the order goes through to Festool, your local Premium shop clocks up the sale!This might explain why the big boys signed up to this deal because without their approval the ACCC deal would have been a non starter. Just a thought.

Edit.Just pretended to order a new ETS-EC 150/3 Orbital Sander. Well why not! Yes all the dealers are listed in the window and one must be selected prior to getting out the credit card details.

That is where I unfortunately called a halt to the proceedings. [popcorn] [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on April 28, 2015, 08:34 AM

Popped along to the Festool evening at Tool House in Dandenong this evening, which I confess I'd never heard of before. Awesome shop, and lots of good tool info from the presenter, the sales staff and even the attendees. I was very pleasantly surprised to find out that they offer an additional 2 years' warranty on top of Festool's, bringing it to 5 years in total. I reckon that's a pretty good deal! Makes me feel much better about the absence of discounting anyway. I couldn't help but lighten their stocks of ETS 150/3s :-D

Also, according to the boss man Chris, no C18 until August! The C15 was very impressive though..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on April 29, 2015, 07:42 AM

Did Festool notify you of the evening, went to tool house last year to but a load of stuff. I ended up walking out as one sales guy was to interested with his phone the other his cigarette at the door.Ended up going to JT and got served much better and got a lot of things thrown in.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on April 30, 2015, 07:19 AM

Did Festool notify you of the evening, went to tool house last year to but a load of stuff. I ended up walking out as one sales guy was to interested with his phone the other his cigarette at the door.Ended up going to JT and got served much better and got a lot of things thrown in.

Although I've always opted-in to any Festool-related email I could find, the answer is no - I found out about that evening by following Festool on Facebook. One thing I think Festool Aus could definitely work on is communicating with its customers. They have a fairly captive audience of loyal purchasers, and yet I get almost no emails from them, and the Facebook page often just has inane questions such as "When using a multi tool what is your favourite accessory and blade to use?" Brilliant! That'll get people engaged!

Regarding TH vs JT, I've had great service from both. Chris (who seems to be the head honcho) at Tool House spent ages with me talking about various tools, but it I suppose it wasn't a normal sales situation.

Anyway, the 5 year warranty will certainly have me back there!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on April 30, 2015, 07:33 AM

Ben, an extra 2 years warranty is good, is it only TH that is doing this deal?

My Local Festool dealer was having a training day today, I would have liked to have gone but it Was held between 10am and 3pm and I was working 40klms away so I missed out.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on April 30, 2015, 02:55 PM

Yes, just TH apparently.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...is The Tool House in breach of ACC decision?
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 30, 2015, 11:54 PM

Only one month in from April 1, and we hear that The Tool House is offering a customer benefit not being offered or may be in fact not able to be offered by other dealers: that is; an extended Warrenty of 2 more years.

Surely this is not in the spirit of the level playing field promoted by the ACC decision.

Indeed it may even be in breach of that decision - page 26 Conditions, ' . details of any changes made to standard dealer contracts'. In other words is Festool Australia providing additional access to its service and warranty sections that are not able to be accessed by other dealers, or is TH totally covering these additional costs?

If TH is covering these additional warranty costs, how is this different to a dealer who before April 1 also cut into their operating costs but by discounting?@benwheeler@DB10@Mr_Mod@Linbro@Bohdan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 01, 2015, 12:50 AM

My understanding is that the warranty is provided by Tool House, and they've been offering it for a couple of years. Also - SHHHH! I want them to keep offering it :-D

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 01, 2015, 02:30 AM

However look at the first comment under 'Posts to Page' which is a slight re-work of my post # 175.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 01, 2015, 07:52 PM

Can you claim copyright and get him to quickly delete the post before they see it?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 01, 2015, 08:38 PM

I'm voting with my feet today! First big tool purchase in a while and it's not going to be Festool...I've been asking Festool to make one of these for quite a while now but apparently according to the local Fes rep it's not do-able! Even though other manufacturers make them.I'll give you a clue........It's going to be green, Can you guess who makes it, and what it might be?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 02, 2015, 01:16 AM

??

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on May 02, 2015, 02:41 AM

Yes agree - I was hoping following the introduction of fixed pricing in Australia there would be some good promotions. This would have been one way to appease price conscious buyers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 02, 2015, 08:46 AM

Sorry Ben, nope, it's actually a very handy tool and it's cordless!

Side note: The May June promo catalogue, Jeeze can it get any better than this. $45 dollars for an apron "while stocks last" don't all rush at once now.They were certainly scrapping the bottom of the barrel when they put this together.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 02, 2015, 06:57 PM

Maybe it's a signal to those who were holding out for some good promotional pricing from time to time.. Just buy the darn tools, there ain't no discounts no more!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 02, 2015, 07:00 PM

Hehe, the forum just changed d-a-m-n to d-a-r-n. Good old American squeamishness - violence is A-O-K, but don't swear in front of the children!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Halle on May 02, 2015, 07:30 PM

Hehe, the forum just changed d-a-m-n to d-a-r-n. Good old American squeamishness - violence is A-O-K, but don't swear in front of the children!

Word filters - love them or hate them. They are here. Sorry. [tongue]

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 02, 2015, 07:34 PM

No problem - just haven't come across that before! I was about to ask if there's a list of unacceptably off-colour words for us potty-mouthed Aussies to study, but I suppose you wouldn't be able to see that in the forum anyway [emoji16]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Halle on May 02, 2015, 07:49 PM

Nothing against you Aussies or anyone else. Just trying to keep it PG-13 or better. A list is not available, and if it were I would hate to post it and encourage others to try to circumnavigate around it.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on May 03, 2015, 01:36 AM

Crickey!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 05, 2015, 08:30 AM

Only one month in from April 1, and we hear that The Tool House is offering a customer benefit not being offered or may be in fact not able to be offered by other dealers: that is; an extended Warrenty of 2 more years.

Surely this is not in the spirit of the level playing field promoted by the ACC decision.

Indeed it may even be in breach of that decision - page 26 Conditions, ' . details of any changes made to standard dealer contracts'. In other words is Festool Australia providing additional access to its service and warranty sections that are not able to be accessed by other dealers, or is TH totally covering these additional costs?

If TH is covering these additional warranty costs, how is this different to a dealer who before April 1 also cut into their operating costs but by discounting?@benwheeler@DB10@Mr_Mod@Linbro@Bohdan

Festool Australia have replied to this letter as posted on their FaceBook page. If interested, see - https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia (https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 05, 2015, 07:42 PM

Ah, thanks. I'm not sure what the best case scenario was from complaining to Festool. Perhaps he's a rival dealer [emoji16]

Anyway, good result from my point of view!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 05, 2015, 08:10 PM

Hi Untidy, I couldn't see the reply on Face book, but then I'm not a member, do you need to be on Facebook to see replies? I'm not trying to be the last person alive who is not on Facebook, I just don't need the distraction, hard enough getting a days work in as it is.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on May 05, 2015, 08:13 PM

Hi Untidy, I couldn't see the reply on Face book, but then I'm not a member, do you need to be on Facebook to see replies? I'm not trying to be the last person alive who is not on Facebook, I just don't need the distraction, hard enough getting a days work in as it is.

Took me a while to find it as I too am not a facebook junkie.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 05, 2015, 08:32 PM

This Evening [AEST], Festool Australia posted a Survey on their Facebook Page. If you complete the survey, you can enter a draw, at your option, with a prize of your choice of a cordless Festool. Survey closes end of May.

To others yet to do the survey -Allow up to ten minutes, it is not as quick as suggested. You are able to leave it and come back latter, well I did through my Facebook link. Also you can opt in or out of the prize draw.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 07, 2015, 09:29 PM

I think you've made a mistake - it was a very fruitful use of my time, in order to receive my prize [emoji16]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 08, 2015, 07:44 AM

I've not looked at the survey yet, but it can't be any worse than the AEG survey that I filled in a couple of weeks back, that was an hour of my life I won't get back!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on May 12, 2015, 08:39 AM

I've not looked at the survey yet, but it can't be any worse than the AEG survey that I filled in a couple of weeks back, that was an hour of my life I won't get back!

The survey was~ 5-10 minutes... It seemed long.

My feedback that the repairs were lacking in feedback, was confirmed yesterday when the Mrs said that Festool called to say that they delivered the tool to the shop I got it from rather than directly to my haus.I am happy it is fixed though and look forward to using it again.

I did not think I would need the warranty, but it just did not work when trying to pick up liquid as it always shut itself off nearly immediately.

Which cordless Festool I get will be a challenge to decide if I win. I might need some help [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 12, 2015, 09:04 AM

I've not looked at the survey yet, but it can't be any worse than the AEG survey that I filled in a couple of weeks back, that was an hour of my life I won't get back!

Filled out the Festool survey, what a breeze compared to the AEG survey a few weeks back.I'd like to win a C18 but it still hasn't been released yet!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 16, 2015, 09:42 PM

I couldn't see anything regarding the 90 Years celebration on the Aus Festool website. Does anyone know if this will be rolled out down here.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 19, 2015, 08:52 AM

90 years ... only thing I've seen in terms of Oz is the bit on the new pamphlet.

I haven't purchased anything Festool for almost 3 months ... lack of spare time lately has had me bordering on some rash decisions! [eek]

Don't think I'll be rushing out to grab a TXS either.

I do want to try one of the brushless motor ETS sanders ... annoying that they didn't do anything clever with a variable orbit. Had they made it variable I wouldn't have hesitated. Swapping out 150/3 & 150/5 for brushless equivalents isn't cheap.

I stepped away from getting the Vecturo, but I can see myself stepping back shortly.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 21, 2015, 06:27 AM

Just registered for the July training session. Anyone else?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 21, 2015, 06:41 AM

Haven't seen anything about it, Is it being held in Melbourne?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on May 21, 2015, 06:45 AM

Yes, at Festool in Dandy. I got an email about it.. Perhaps due to attending the product demos? Perhaps due to blowing all of my cash on their goodies this year?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on May 21, 2015, 07:02 AM

Festool Australia have announced a June Competition with a Vecturo as the prize.

Research a few facts about this tool at -http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/563010/SubProducts/F28404 (http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/563010/SubProducts/F28404)

- then enter the competition using the Facebook Link - https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia (https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia)

Edit: there appears to be a problem with the entry form. It asks for statement at a maximum of 50 words. When I entered 37 words, a warning appeared inferring I had exceed 50 Characters! [eek] I have left a comment on their Facebook page.

See if you have this problem fellow Ausies and please report here your experience.

That can be true ... Depends a lot on the prize and the audience. Something like this would generate <1000 entry magnitude I'd guess a but certainly >100.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on June 10, 2015, 12:01 AM

While I'm in the Aussie area, I'd thought I'd ask - does anyone have any classic systainers, in good condition, they'd like to swap for t-locs? I've got mainly sys-2 & 3 to swap, looking for anything classic.Lincoln.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 10, 2015, 11:40 AM

While I'm in the Aussie area, I'd thought I'd ask - does anyone have any classic systainers, in good condition, they'd like to swap for t-locs? I've got mainly sys-2 & 3 to swap, looking for anything classic.Lincoln.

I have some, but I'm in Sydney. That'd be a costly up and down I'd guess!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: boost13 on June 10, 2015, 11:31 PM

I have heaps of sys1 & sys2 and a couple of sys 4 classics. Would be happy to send to you

While I'm in the Aussie area, I'd thought I'd ask - does anyone have any classic systainers, in good condition, they'd like to swap for t-locs? I've got mainly sys-2 & 3 to swap, looking for anything classic.Lincoln.

I have some, but I'm in Sydney. That'd be a costly up and down I'd guess!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Aquila on June 11, 2015, 06:53 AM

I have a bunch of 1's, some 2's and 3's & a couple of 4's but I'm in Brisbane - same comment as Kev re freight.

Re Survey Comp.Congratulations to Jack from Geelong. Do not know if you are a FOG member.

http://blog.festool.com.au (http://blog.festool.com.au)We can now officially give up Kev and Ben. [big grin]He chose the obvious great prize, but I was holding out for a PDC 18. However, if the new HKC had been released here, it would have been that. Oh well, Vecturo anyone!? [smile]@Kev@benwheeler

Re Survey Comp.Congratulations to Jack from Geelong. Do not know if you are a FOG member.

http://blog.festool.com.au (http://blog.festool.com.au)We can now officially give up Kev and Ben. [big grin]He chose the obvious great prize, but I was holding out for a PDC 18. However, if the new HKC had been released here, it would have been that. Oh well, Vecturo anyone!? [smile]@Kev@benwheeler

Hmmm .. does anyone notice a family resemblance ..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on June 15, 2015, 02:39 PM

Re Survey Comp.Congratulations to Jack from Geelong. Do not know if you are a FOG member.

http://blog.festool.com.au (http://blog.festool.com.au)We can now officially give up Kev and Ben. [big grin]He chose the obvious great prize, but I was holding out for a PDC 18. However, if the new HKC had been released here, it would have been that. Oh well, Vecturo anyone!? [smile]@Kev@benwheeler

Oh well - I can wait for the grand prize of a complete set of drills and sanders :-D

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 15, 2015, 07:28 PM

Re Survey Comp.Congratulations to Jack from Geelong. Do not know if you are a FOG member.

http://blog.festool.com.au (http://blog.festool.com.au)We can now officially give up Kev and Ben. [big grin]He chose the obvious great prize, but I was holding out for a PDC 18. However, if the new HKC had been released here, it would have been that. Oh well, Vecturo anyone!? [smile]@Kev@benwheeler

Oh well - I can wait for the grand prize of a complete set of drills and sanders :-D

You'll probably be living your next life as a dolphin by then !

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on June 17, 2015, 04:19 AM

I've discovered a cunning plan that Total Tools has come up with for having an EOFYS under the new regime:1) Announce a grand sale, complete with radio advertisements mentioning Festool2) Put lots of SALE signs against Festool items on the website, but keep prices the same2) Profit...?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Jim Carroll on June 17, 2015, 05:50 AM

I use Ideal Tools in Melbourne for all my festool purchases, always get back to you quickly on any inquirys and delivery is usually 2-3 days.

I ordered an MFT on Sunday night and had in my shop on tuesday morning.

Crabatec are only brand collectors supplying only parts of the range from any brand of tools, if you want something from the brand they have and not listed can take up to 6 months or more to get in so easier to order direct from that supplier.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 17, 2015, 07:14 AM

I use Ideal Tools in Melbourne for all my festool purchases, always get back to you quickly on any inquirys and delivery is usually 2-3 days.

I ordered an MFT on Sunday night and had in my shop on tuesday morning.

Crabatec are only brand collectors supplying only parts of the range from any brand of tools, if you want something from the brand they have and not listed can take up to 6 months or more to get in so easier to order direct from that supplier.

My local - Northern Abrasives is great for phone and in store service, but their website is STILL a work in progress. [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on June 17, 2015, 09:08 AM

I called Northern Abrasives yesterday about sanding discs for my Metabo sander - (been waiting on spare parts for my Rotex 90 for 2 weeks!). As soon as I explained it was the 80mm size the response was 'that's for the SXE400'. And they have stock... Good knowledgeable people at Northern Abrasives.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on June 17, 2015, 06:24 PM

I bought a Virutex edge lipping planer from them last year, over the phone, and their service was fantastic. Arrived in Melbourne two days later.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on June 17, 2015, 06:28 PM

Has anyone been tempted to splurge with the $20k instant write-off? Only time you'll get around 1/3 of Festool any time soon..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 17, 2015, 06:42 PM

At least they're not charging a crazy amount of money for this .. hopefully some people will get value out of it.

It'll be interesting to see if they develop a positive reputation for actual training. An extended tool feature demonstration to entice buying won't cut it, it'll have to deliver techniques that really improve proficiency.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 07, 2015, 02:48 PM

Yep, Melbourne training's this Fri/Sat - looking forward to finding out why those from the old country rave about it!

Yep, Melbourne training's this Fri/Sat - looking forward to finding out why those from the old country rave about it!

So Ben and Bohdan, who is who!?https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1653882294825390&id=1443009462579342 (https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1653882294825390&id=1443009462579342)@Bohdan@benwheeler

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Festool training
Post by: benwheeler on July 10, 2015, 08:38 AM

At least they're not charging a crazy amount of money for this .. hopefully some people will get value out of it.

It'll be interesting to see if they develop a positive reputation for actual training. An extended tool feature demonstration to entice buying won't cut it, it'll have to deliver techniques that really improve proficiency.

The Melbourne session was in fact an extended tool demo that was extremely comprehensive and included comparisons between various models, highlighting the intended application differences. We were introduced to some tools and applications that we didn't even know existed and even though we went over time there are still some things that weren't covered.

Some of the participants discovered features on, and application techniques for, tools that they already owned and used.

Most regular readers of the FOG probably already know about most of the tools but it is good to actually see and handle the tools, to have them explained and all of your questions answered. Some of the most interesting information was about all of the accessories that could be used with each tool.

The session was an extremely broad coverage of what's available from Festool, you were able to see and handle or try items that you would rarely find at most dealers.

They are planning more specific sessions which will be more hands on application later but for now I would recommend the Sydney session if you wish to learn what Festool is all about.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...anyone win the Vecturo yet?/workshop?
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 13, 2015, 08:25 PM

Would you believe.. Cap, coffee cup and ruler? I'll be able to open a shop for those 3 items soon! Note to self: you've been to too many Festool events recently.Anyway, my ruler's coming in very handy today :-D

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on July 13, 2015, 09:06 PM

Would you believe.. Cap, coffee cup and ruler? I'll be able to open a shop for those 3 items soon! Note to self: you've been to too many Festool events recently.Anyway, my ruler's coming in very handy today :-D

Yes I would! [smile] They could have had a door prize, not a Kapex but say a CXS.

Anyway do not dismiss those rulers, they are great for measuring up sheet goods.@Bohdan@benwheeler

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on July 13, 2015, 09:19 PM

Any word at the Melbourne workshop on when we are likely to see the 5.2 batteries or the release of the C18 down here anytime soon?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 13, 2015, 09:22 PM

Would you believe.. Cap, coffee cup and ruler? I'll be able to open a shop for those 3 items soon! Note to self: you've been to too many Festool events recently.Anyway, my ruler's coming in very handy today :-D

Yes I would! [smile] They could have had a door prize, not a Kapex but say a CXS.

Anyway do not dismiss those rulers, they are great for measuring up sheet goods.@Bohdan@benwheeler

Ben, re that ply - is it that Brazilian/Australian 12mm or 17mm non structural ply that is being sold by Home and Bunnings?

As I both sell and use it, just be aware that the top layers can vary up to 1mm sheet to sheet. Recently I picked through the top twelve sheets of a 17mm stack to find 4 sheets I was happy with. I suppose I have that luxury as I work there, but if you are using this product regularly and want to sand it, try and have a good look at the sheets you select. [Or find a sales assistant that is as helpfull as me! [big grin] ]

After patching a cut length of 17mm with Selleys Trim Filler yesterday, just now I sanded it and painted an undercoat with brush and roller. Reasonable result so far; but will see as top coats proceed using my version of Festool Blue/Black.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 17, 2015, 02:38 AM

Anyone tried the new Carbatec website yet? Much sexier.. Also, there's a 10% off promo til the end of the month. So if, unlike me, you haven't completely blown your budget on Sawstops and Festools, some discounted Veritas gear could be yours!

Anyone tried the new Carbatec website yet? Much sexier.. Also, there's a 10% off promo til the end of the month. So if, unlike me, you haven't completely blown your budget on Sawstops and Festools, some discounted Veritas gear could be yours!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on July 17, 2015, 06:09 AM

I think there whole business was stuck in the 90's. Stepping inside there shop was like going back in time apart from the prices. If you phone them up then you have to go through a call center when all you want to do is speak to the local store. And trying to search the old website was pure torture. This new much improved website must have cost them a dollar or two to set up, as there won't be any specials in store for a few months now.

Title: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 17, 2015, 06:17 AM

My main gripe (apart from the shocking quality of their home brand stuff) is that they never seem to have stock of what I want. I wanted to buy a Sawstop before the EOFY, and since they had no stock I went to Gabbet Machinery who managed to deliver one from Sydney for less than it would cost from the locals. Sold!

I must add though, that I appreciate that they have quite a large range of items on the shelf - I suppose that their focus would be hobbyists, which is not necessarily a red-hot market, and they'd have to keep stock levels under control. Still - keep the stuff I want in stock please!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 17, 2015, 07:39 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on July 17, 2015, 07:58 AM

Tried to use their new website to take advantage of their introductory 10% discount to buy something that I saw on the shelf last time I was there. Not able to find it on their website.

Tried to buy a router trimming cutter listed as 19mm dia. 25mm long but the specification on the cutter's page says 25mm dia. 19mm long and doesn't list the shaft diameter. Rang their helpline, girl didn't know answer said she would have to pass me on to someone else, after being on hold for 7 minutes gave up.

So it looks like the website might be new but business is as before - bloody hopeless.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 17, 2015, 08:00 AM

Oh man, I think I've been spending too much time thinking about power tools.. I'm certainly very familiar with Peppa Pig (having a 2-year-old), but when I read "jigsaw" I didn't even think about a jigsaw puzzle!

No, they haven't contacted me about my Vecturo yet.. It's weird, because I was there last weekend!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Aquila on July 18, 2015, 01:27 AM

As Bohdan said - bloody hopeless!

On the new website, the search function is as useless as on their old website!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 18, 2015, 01:40 AM

Interesting that this thread started in April 2014 discussing the 'limits' of Carbatec's Customer Experience [eek] and here we are again discussing these limitations over one year later!

Fortunately there has been great and fascinating reading in between! [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on July 18, 2015, 01:42 AM

It appears that some of the people that work on their telephone help desk rely on their 2010 paper catalogue because it is more up to date than their websites. I wanted a 1/4" shaft trimming cutter and it wasn't available on their website but when they found the part number in the old catalogue it was in stock. Their term "coming soon" means "out of stock" but they can't give you an ETA.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on July 18, 2015, 04:56 AM

Nope ... I'm beginning to thing the actual workings of a "promotional giveaway" is beyond their ability to comprehend !!

Twenty one days and still no announcement of the Vecturo Comp Winner.

Perhaps, given the out of context quote above, Ben is the winner! Just, he does not realise it, yet! [eek] [big grin]@benwheeler@Kev

Someone parked a car in his driveway a year ago .. and to add to the insult a strange company called the RTA is asking him to pay for its registration [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 21, 2015, 03:33 AM

There's no RTA in Victoria mate! Funny you should say that though - we moved house around a year ago, and my spare car lay dormant for a year until I needed it recently..Where are you hiding? What's going on here?!

(And where's my Vecturo?)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 21, 2015, 03:46 AM

There's no RTA in Victoria mate! Funny you should say that though - we moved house around a year ago, and my spare car lay dormant for a year until I needed it recently..Where are you hiding? What's going on here?!

(And where's my Vecturo?)

What part of hiding don't you understand? [big grin]

I'm actually planning a stealthy intercept of the free Vecturo.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on July 21, 2015, 03:47 AM

Well, so long as you just take the Vecturo and don't notice anything that's in the garage- I'll probably have to take that as a win!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... Ben, Nick has it!
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 22, 2015, 03:48 AM

Congratulations Nick. I trust they also shouted you some yogurt. [smile]http://blog.festool.com.au/general-information/vecturo-competition-winner/ (http://blog.festool.com.au/general-information/vecturo-competition-winner/)-----------KevI note he is from NSW. Probably one of the Northern Beaches Festool Bretherin. [big grin]

Congratulations Nick. I trust they also shouted you some yogurt. [smile]http://blog.festool.com.au/general-information/vecturo-competition-winner/ (http://blog.festool.com.au/general-information/vecturo-competition-winner/)-----------KevI note he is from NSW. Probably one of the Northern Beaches Festool Bretherin. [big grin]

I see Shane is selling 18V 4.2ah for US$40.00. If only! [smile]http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/festool-15v-4-2ah-lithium-ion-batteries-for- (http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/festool-15v-4-2ah-lithium-ion-batteries-for-)$40/

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... Ben, Nick has it!
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 01, 2015, 03:15 AM

My better half it pushing me to go and buy a bunch of 36V Stihl gardening gear as I type this .. she wants the pole pruner, blower, hedger and is contemplating the mower. I'll probably draw the line at the mower, but if I instead add an electric chain saw and brush cutter (the chain saw on the pole pruner isn't that big) I can refresh a load of gear that's old (not really), in need of service (not really), boring and noisy (yah, got it).

But !!! I suppose I am curious about the mower. It you stay on top of the garden and keep it "manicured" it's probably a good choice.

To be clear, this is for a suburban lot - I have no delusion about what's needed for a real plot of dirt!! [wink]

My better half it pushing me to go and buy a bunch of 36V Stihl gardening gear as I type this .. she wants the pole pruner, blower, hedger and is contemplating the mower. I'll probably draw the line at the mower, but if I instead add an electric chain saw and brush cutter (the chain saw on the pole pruner isn't that big) I can refresh a load of gear that's old (not really), in need of service (not really), boring and noisy (yah, got it).

But !!! I suppose I am curious about the mower. It you stay on top of the garden and keep it "manicured" it's probably a good choice.

To be clear, this is for a suburban lot - I have no delusion about what's needed for a real plot of dirt!! [wink]

Do not underestimate that mower as you have only a suburban allotment.

Do not underestimate that mower as you have only a suburban allotment.

The Viking robotic would be much more fun though [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Scottan on August 03, 2015, 10:10 PM

Hi all, long time lurker here! Since the price fixing business came in I've refused to buy any new gear at full price. Hence its been a dry few months. Just wondering if anyone has heard any whispers of upcoming promos? I thought the last was a little underwhelming so had my fingers crossed for another starting this month. This is looking more and more unlikely... Thanks :)

Welcome Scottan.Where are you living in area - Nth, Sth, East, West?Looking fwd to seeing some of your projects here.-------- [attachimg=1]

Yes certainly there appears to be no new promotions yet for Aug, Sept, October. Up until the price fixing we got new product soon after UK, and certainly well before NA.

Just as well they distribute very good tools, because the customer service cracks are now starting to appear. Read recent posts on this thread re - fixed pricing and apparently some tightening of dealer margins through direct internet sales, lack of/delayed promotions (but to be fair there have been more competitions), no true specials (apart from the Kapex going down in price, but not to previous discounting price, at introduction of price fixing), delayed release of new product and repair delays. @Scottan@Kev

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 03, 2015, 11:57 PM

[Welcome] Scottan.

It's amazing how some businesses seem to be failure proof as long as you apply common sense.

... about here we're likely to get examples of how uncommon "common sense" really is !

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on August 04, 2015, 07:40 AM

There will be a new Catalogue released shortly ( I was given one today from my rep ) which will run till the end of October.

Looking over it there a Bonus batteries with Cordless tools (4.2Ah ) There are also Bonus Limited Edition 90 year systainers in Blue with select tools ( Actually a lot of corded tools )

Pricing seems to retail as expected

There is also the new Cordless Circular Saw. HKC 55 and C18

I have a demo of of the HKC 55 for the next few days, ( helping the local rep at a Tool show this weekend so i get to play early ) and after a quick play with it today I'm very impressed. It really takes the Circular saw to a new level.

I believe we it will be available in September along with the C18

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on August 04, 2015, 07:41 AM

Greetings Scottan, I Was just thinking the other day that since the price fixing has come in I don't think I've made any Festool purchases other than a few consumables. This hasn't been a conscious decision of mine as there will always be a wish list but there just isn't any urgency at the moment. Maybe a good promotion might make me more proactive with the spending. I'm guessing since there hasn't been any promotions for a while, that price fixing hasn't really effected Festool sales.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: TheTassieBFG on August 04, 2015, 11:07 AM

in regards to pipe dream1. wouldn't want to run out of fuel, ease up on th throttle too much or wipe out (not too mention run over more traditional surfers)2. would like to see this in the next Bond/Croft/other mindless action film

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 04, 2015, 05:56 PM

The prospect of something like this from a high performance paddle wheel and hydrofoil engineering perspective would be amazing.

Really curios now!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2015, 08:11 AM

Well Festool Australia, the new stuff is out ... you've taken your low to an even lower low [mad]

New HKC, but with OLD 4.2Ah batteries.

Has severe brain damage hit certain parts of Victoria or something?? Why would expect anyone half savvy to buy high drain equipment bundled with the old batteries.

In prior years I've spent between $20K and $30+K on Festool and have been happy despite the price premium we pay here. So far this year I've spent ZERO and I'm not seeing much to entice me to do otherwise.

This is both stupid and insulting on the part of Festool Australia.

There's still quite a few big ticket Festools I'd like to acquire, but I DO NOT like to be treated like a sucker and that's the way the Australian Festool customers seem to be treated right now.

I've got plenty of 18V's and I can obviously buy skins, but this behaviour polarises my opinion and I'm extremely stubborn.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME !!! [mad]

No doubt Festool Australia is also way too aloof and self absorbed to even bother reading the FOG [wink]

...

My wife and I drink a lot of tea. We like quality and we buy a lot of the T2 stuff. On Monday we got a surprise parcel with over $200 worth of thank you for your business stuff inside. THAT IS HOW YOU TREAT LOYAL CUSTOMERS FESTOOL AUSTRALIA !!! It probably cost T2 very little, but why would I shop anywhere else?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on August 05, 2015, 08:21 AM

Yep I agree Kev, that is complete garbage. Must be using the Aus market as a dumping ground for all the leftover 4.2Ah packs.Oh well, yet another new tool I don't even need to bother looking at.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 05, 2015, 08:35 AM

Where did you get this info Kev? There is no mention that I could find on their Internet site.

If true, a pathetic decision, and as Mike says, probably made by the German HQ to dump old batts.

I was looking fwd to the release of this tool. Even have some Spring projects lined up where I could use it. What to do, buy a skin and one bat and wait for Festool to come to its senses, or just give it a big miss and continue to use the old but trusty corded DeWalt?!@Kev@Mike B

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2015, 08:43 AM

Yep I agree Kev, that is complete garbage. Must be using the Aus market as a dumping ground for all the leftover 4.2Ah packs.Oh well, yet another new tool I don't even need to bother looking at.

It wouldn't sting so much if all of the other brands were treating us like poo with the available battery capacities ... but we've had 5's available from companies like Metabo for ages now!

There was a point when I thought it would be a great idea to get into a battery adaptor product space .. initially I thought it would be prohibitive as the number of from brand / to brand combos would be crazy. I then realised that the model could simply involve something where you get two adaptor plates .. "from brand specific to common i/f" and then "to common i/f to brand specific". From there you'd also build a range of batteries that could interface with the "to common i/f" style.

Instead of the adaptors being painful, you'd actually enhance them so that they had some cool stuff such sturdy belt hooks, USB chargers (hate it when your phone goes flat?).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2015, 08:45 AM

Where did you get this info Kev? There is no mention that I could find on their Internet site.

If true, a pathetic decision, and as Mike says, probably made by the German HQ to dump old batts.

I was looking fwd to the release of this tool. Even have some Spring projects lined up where I could use it. What to do, buy a skin and one bat and wait for Festool to come to its senses, or just give it a big miss and continue to use the old but trusty corded DeWalt?!@Kev@Mike B

Where did you get this info Kev? There is no mention that I could find on their Internet site.

If true, a pathetic decision, and as Mike says, probably made by the German HQ to dump old batts.

I was looking fwd to the release of this tool. Even have some Spring projects lined up where I could use it. What to do, buy a skin and one bat and wait for Festool to come to its senses, or just give it a big miss and continue to use the old but trusty corded DeWalt?!@Kev@Mike B

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on August 05, 2015, 08:26 PM

Underwhelmed doesn't even come close. I was lead to beleive that we were supposed to see the release of the new 5.2 batteries whith the release of the New tools! That's what I was told when I enquired about the new batteries some time back.

I was also told by Festool Aus that with the introduction of price fixing We will start to see some new benifets, so far I've seen nothing. It took 5 weeks to get my TSC repaired, I still had to call them to find out what exactly had been repaired once the saw we returned, shouldn't have to do that after a five week wait. These repaire time frames, would not be tolerated In NA or Europe, nor the release of new tools with old batteries, as someone said it's an arrogance at head office that the Ausies will suck it up!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2015, 09:54 PM

While we're expressing ... another thing that gets on my tender bits is the fact that the combo kits and deals are all angled at the first time Festool customer to attract them ... but you are severely disadvantaged if you already have a good cross section of Festool products. It's a bit like the disgusting behavior of banks with credit cards ... come here, get a new account and bring your debt with you for 12 months interest free ... while the long term customers just get a "screw you, pay your 22%".

I've go nothing against offers that attract new business, but it should never be done in a way that simply spits in the face of long term loyal customers.

The list of potential buys for me on the new Festool front could easily amount to an other $30K .. a full Conturo setup, BS105, Planex, CT36L HD to name just a few potentials ... then there's all the new EC ETS's and coming cordless stuff.

As a hobbyist I've obviously invested more in Festool that I need, but it's a passion (woodworking, not Festool) and furnishing the nest with the tools I like is part of the pleasure. My Festool re-seller does go to the effort to make me feel special, but they're limited by the antics of Festool Australia.

[mad] [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Scottan on August 05, 2015, 10:16 PM

Well I'm here to add my name to the list of disappointed persons. I really like the brand but I've always needed the little deal sweeteners to justify the exspense. Since the price fixing this has meant the deals would have to be that little bit sweeter. Unfortunately in my opinion we've just seen the opposite.

I've been on the lookout to invest in a line of cordless tools. So I've been holding out to see what festool can offer. Unfortunately for me it just doesn't stack up against the competitors. As much as I'd like to continue buying Festool it is just now beyond the realm of justification for myself.

Scott

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...latest promotions on line.
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 06, 2015, 02:38 AM

Latest Promotion Brochure on line.All generally as speculated in last few days of posts.http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/promotions/2015-08.pdf (http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/promotions/2015-08.pdf)

Note C18 price as basic.It's all 4.2 as bonus packs across the 18V range.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 06, 2015, 06:59 AM

Hi all, long time lurker here! Since the price fixing business came in I've refused to buy any new gear at full price. Hence its been a dry few months. Just wondering if anyone has heard any whispers of upcoming promos? I thought the last was a little underwhelming so had my fingers crossed for another starting this month. This is looking more and more unlikely... Thanks :)

Welcome ScottanIt looks like I'm heading for a dry 2015 - no new Festool tools so far! The latest 'promo' is underwhelming.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 06, 2015, 10:51 AM

More out of disbelief than anything else, I've reread the "promo" brochure.

Freebies are limited to 2.6 and 4.2 batteries, stirrers, 90 year systainers, tape measures, abrasive systainers and the absolute best is a Festool advertising polo shirt "valued at $55" if you buy a CT [eek] no pricing discounts at all.

Don't expect a free abrasive systainer if you're buying a new ETS150 EC and a CT either ... seems the freebie is only for someone buying the old ETS's with a CT.

How are those poor Festool resellers going to cope with the massive surge in demand this promotion is going to cause?

In the past I've NEVER hesitated buying a Festool on promotion if I believed I have a future use for it ... their loss.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on August 06, 2015, 05:28 PM

With all the good tools, they have a harder job.I am sensing that you are no adibing the Koolaid @Kev

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 07, 2015, 12:28 AM

No, I'm going to get my wife, daughter, son, father, sister, brother-in-law, mother-in-law, dog and deceased canary to enter on my behalf. I'll win all nine prizes, but won't actually want any of them .. so I'll list them on eBay France for my very best friend to acquire at about 5% below RRP.

No, I'm going to get my wife, daughter, son, father, sister, brother-in-law, mother-in-law, dog and deceased canary to enter on my behalf. I'll win all nine prizes, but won't actually want any of them .. so I'll list them on eBay France for my very best friend to acquire at about 5% below RRP.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...when for the HK85
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 31, 2015, 06:53 PM

Noticed on the UK site a new saw with rail - HK85. A bigger capacity HK55.

Wonder when this saw will be released in Aust. To my mind, this would be a far more versatile saw than the HK 55 in housing and other construction. It is however corded, but for me that might be an advantage.

Also noted that UK also has a corded HK55.https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?pid=574669&name=HK-85-portable-circular-saw-HK-85-EB-Plus-GB-240V (https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?pid=574669&name=HK-85-portable-circular-saw-HK-85-EB-Plus-GB-240V)

I might pop in on Friday arvo. I think the diamond cutting system would be awesome. I never actually have to cut concrete / tiles etc. What other justification could I use?

Fibro / weatherboard sheets, etc.

We've been known to use that stuff in the warmer zones - no sure about "Melbourne" [wink]

[big grin]No further comment than this required -http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-storms-thousands-of-homes-without-power-as-rain-wind-lash-nsw/story-fni0cx12-1227313192720 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-storms-thousands-of-homes-without-power-as-rain-wind-lash-nsw/story-fni0cx12-1227313192720)

I might pop in on Friday arvo. I think the diamond cutting system would be awesome. I never actually have to cut concrete / tiles etc. What other justification could I use?

Fibro / weatherboard sheets, etc.

We've been known to use that stuff in the warmer zones - no sure about "Melbourne" [wink]

[big grin]No further comment than this required -http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-storms-thousands-of-homes-without-power-as-rain-wind-lash-nsw/story-fni0cx12-1227313192720 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-storms-thousands-of-homes-without-power-as-rain-wind-lash-nsw/story-fni0cx12-1227313192720)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Scottan on September 04, 2015, 09:13 AM

Hi All,

May be a silly question... For that that have entered the C18 competition how did you go with the chuck question? I can only find that the DD-AS is a real FastFix chuck. Question wont allow checking 2 answers.

Which of the following are not FastFix chucks? DD-AD, DD-AS, DD-RH.

Thanks,

Scott

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 05, 2015, 04:46 AM

C18 Comp -It seems that no one is going to answer your question Scottan before Sunday night. [smile] @Scottan

Just Tools Festool Demo Days.I turned up Friday around 10.20am. Had a demo and even was given a tryout on the HKC 55. Very impressed, although would have like to see it cutting Mountain Ash or another hardwood rather than ply. Certainly a future consideration.

There were a few there by the time I left [my big purchase for the day was a Centrotec 8mm bitt], including one who may have been Bohdan [and who gave me a nod [smile]], and a 'tradie' who looked to be Ben's younger brother [and who acknowledged the kit price's value [smile]].

Unfortunately I was in a bit of a rush and was on my way by 10.45am after a quick chat with Bryan from JT and with my swag. [smile]

@Untidy Shop Demo day Sounds fun. Unfortunately I'm only allowed into the big city once a year and that will be in two weeks time.. So come on then, tease us..... what was in the swag bags?

Oh nothing much, just a HKC55! [big grin]But in reality a Cap, Coffee Mug [Re-Usable], Stubbie Holder, Pencil and Ruler. I like those Festool Rulers. [smile]

I would not have travelled 150km just for this, but I knew I would be in Melbourne that day, I am considering the HKC and certainly the demonstration by the Festool representative was excellent.@DB10

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on September 05, 2015, 07:28 AM

The 20% discount on Festool consumables was also Nice.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on September 05, 2015, 07:32 AM

Thanks @Untidy Shop That swag bag is not too shabby, I've wanted a Festool cap for years now, I have plenty of JT caps, you'd think that someone at Festool Aus would drop one of those hats into one of the many boxes that have left their depot and arrived on my door step over the years, but not even a pencil! Oh well was given a couple of Metabo caps on Friday, so they will be keeping my head warm next week.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Fathers Day Down Under.
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 06, 2015, 08:32 AM

After a 9hr shift at the Hardware/TY came home tonight to Hot Muffins, Card, Book and financial contribution to the Festool Funds. [smile]Happy Fathers Day to the Aussie FOG Fathers.Hope this morning for you was not like this, but the end result does look appetising! [big grin]

http://youtu.be/n-GmndiHz3c (http://youtu.be/n-GmndiHz3c)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Halle on September 06, 2015, 09:11 AM

Happy Father's Day!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...expensive Apron from Festool Aust.
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 07, 2015, 10:57 PM

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: jjowen on September 07, 2015, 11:15 PM

I have heard of heated jackets which run off battery packs, but a heated apron??? Still, it comes with a bonus battery and a systainer, so what is not to like? (Actually, I did purchase an apron, but it is ridiculously short and the big pockets catch on everything so I have given it to my wife to re-engineer.)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on September 07, 2015, 11:24 PM

I'm holding out for the Centrotec Sporran ...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 07, 2015, 11:52 PM

To be fair, this time I emailed them directly, rather than FB; received a kind reply and it has been rectified [ie no Festool Sporrans Kev [smile]].@Kev@jjowen

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on September 08, 2015, 04:16 AM

Today - Vecturo and HL850 ... and that's after the Freehand Diamond Cutter and FS-AG-2 on Saturday [huh]

No HKC55's in the shop, otherwise I would have got one of them too.

So I've also got two 90th Compartment Systainers too [smile]

Haha, oh boy, you sure showed them!!

...Seriously though, I'm interested in your impressions of the planer and Vecturo. I couldn't see myself spending a grand on a multi-tool at this point, unless there's something magical that makes it so much better than the competition. If I was doing more carpentry at the moment the HKC55 and HL850 would be on the list.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 09, 2015, 04:51 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on September 09, 2015, 04:54 AM

If anyone's sitting on the fence (as I was) about going to the Timber & Working With Wood Show, here's a way to (possibly) get a freebee:

The Tool House in Dandenong have four free tickets to give away to the first four people who like and share the relevant post on their Facebook page. As far as I can tell, I'm the only genuine punter to have done so. So, have at it!

The Tool House - Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/toolhousedandenong?fref=nf)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on September 09, 2015, 06:56 AM

Today - Vecturo and HL850 ... and that's after the Freehand Diamond Cutter and FS-AG-2 on Saturday [huh]

No HKC55's in the shop, otherwise I would have got one of them too.

So I've also got two 90th Compartment Systainers too [smile]

Haha, oh boy, you sure showed them!!

...Seriously though, I'm interested in your impressions of the planer and Vecturo. I couldn't see myself spending a grand on a multi-tool at this point, unless there's something magical that makes it so much better than the competition. If I was doing more carpentry at the moment the HKC55 and HL850 would be on the list.

I've got a Fein Multimaster and a cordless Bosch multitool - the thing that drives me crazy with both of them is the way the blade drifts as you try to hold the machine solid and plunge into a surface. From all accounts, the plunge base with the magnetic blade attractor for the Vecturo eliminates this hassle. I was sold on this new concept, but the blade prices for the Vecturo had me a bit rattled (to my thinking, the Festool blades are about 3x what they should be in $'s).

I've found that there's a couple of options for blades, so I bit the bullet.

I've wanted to pick up the HL850 for a while, just always seemed to buy something else!

I haven't used the Vecturo yet and have only had a couple of quick passes with the HL850 before it got dark and time for quiet. A quick pass down a piece of framing treated pine made it feel like it had just come out of a Japanese hand planing competition [eek] Not too messy either, but there will be clean up after you use it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on September 09, 2015, 06:58 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on October 15, 2015, 08:04 PM

All very quite over here as well.@Kev Has your new brushless Metabo angle grinder with the new Hi-Li batteries turned up yet? My dealer still hasn't managed to get any stock in, I would be interested to know your initial thoughts when you get your hands on it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 15, 2015, 08:23 PM

All very quite over here as well.@Kev Has your new brushless Metabo angle grinder with the new Hi-Li batteries turned up yet? My dealer still hasn't managed to get any stock in, I would be interested to know your initial thoughts when you get your hands on it.

So here's a little warning - don't buy a kit with the SB 18 LTX hammer drill in it ignorantly - there's 2 versions, a "standard" and a "quick". The Quick supports interchangeable chucks like the Festools and that's NOT the one you get in the kit. A bit of a con in my books! Not that I care too much as I have my PDC 18-4. I do think the "pulse mode" is cool on the thing though [wink]

Everything else is pretty good.

I haven't attacked anything with the A/G yet, will give it a go on the weekend. Is there anything you would cut in particular that I should try and mimic as a test for you?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on October 15, 2015, 11:16 PM

I'm pretty much just cutting the usual stuff that you would use an angle grinder for, although I have been cutting quite a bit of 19mm cement sheets lately, If I happen to have much more of this to cut I would probably just buy the Festool Diamond tipped blade for the TS 55 and use that. But ultimately I want to get away from having a cable on my angle grinder and the cordless angle grinder I have is an old Makita non brushless running on old batteries. So I thought when I upgrade, if I switch over to the new Metabo cordless angle grinder with the Hi-Li 6.2 batteries I'll be able to use these new batteries on my SCMS as well.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 16, 2015, 01:03 AM

If you already have some makita 18v stuff the brushless 5 inch grinder is ten times the tool of the original model,however the battery technology of the metabo stuff certainly make their tools very appealing,i have an old metabo plug in grinder and SDS drill which i would happily buy again if i was in the market for these items.

Metabo grinders have a good rep and that with the fancy new batteries gives you a good reason to go that way,but if you already have makita 18v tools the new BL grinder (and circular saw btw)are very good tools which stand up to heavy daily use. Makita 6ah batteries with fuel gauge are due around Christmas.

Some internet chatter about a metabo (18 x2) cordless contractor saw around and i guess the new batteries make this type of tool possible, if these do come out and are well performed i may add metabo to my current brands.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 17, 2015, 11:14 PM

I'm pretty much just cutting the usual stuff that you would use an angle grinder for, although I have been cutting quite a bit of 19mm cement sheets lately, If I happen to have much more of this to cut I would probably just buy the Festool Diamond tipped blade for the TS 55 and use that. But ultimately I want to get away from having a cable on my angle grinder and the cordless angle grinder I have is an old Makita non brushless running on old batteries. So I thought when I upgrade, if I switch over to the new Metabo cordless angle grinder with the Hi-Li 6.2 batteries I'll be able to use these new batteries on my SCMS as well.

It's a knife through butter. Only hint that it's cordless is the balance with the weight of the battery. I've only attacked a bit of mild steel .. haven't tried a wood carving wheel yet (and that's what I was more intending).

Bottom line, I wouldn't hesitate.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 18, 2015, 01:29 AM

Kev,

what type of wood carving blade are you intending to use and can you re-position the battery, from the pic it looks as though it can be turned around to suit the job?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 18, 2015, 06:19 AM

Yes, the battery holder "neck" rotates to give you clearance for different attack angles.

I'll grab a Turboplane and an Industrial Woodcarver from Arbotech.

(must admit I've been curious about their power chisel and mini grinder too)

I had an early Woodcarver on a Hitachi that I sold a while back .. it was a dumb move to get rid of it in all honesty, along with pedestal drill, scroll saw and Makita laminate trimmer. I really don't know what was going through my mind when I did that [embarassed] [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 18, 2015, 07:01 AM

what type of wood carving blade are you intending to use and can you re-position the battery, from the pic it looks as though it can be turned around to suit the job?

@LarsoYes, the battery holder "neck" rotates to give you clearance for different attack angles.

I'll grab a Turboplane and an Industrial Woodcarver from Arbotech.

(must admit I've been curious about their power chisel and mini grinder too)

I had an early Woodcarver on a Hitachi that I sold a while back .. it was a dumb move to get rid of it in all honesty, along with pedestal drill, scroll saw and Makita laminate trimmer. I really don't know what was going through my mind when I did that [embarassed] [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 18, 2015, 03:55 PM

Let us know how they go when you have used them,don't know what i would do with them but they wont be lonely with all the other things i have bought just in case they come in handy.I like the rotating battery although i am not sure how often you will use this,better to have a function and not use it than want one you don't have in the middle of a job though.

BTW the original plastic orange dogs from the workmate fit in the MFT,not perfectly but well enough for most things.

My makita laminate trimmer is one of only two plug in tools i carry in my van and couldn't do without it.Apparently a cordless one from makita is coming soon and it is made to suit the optional spring loaded and angled bases of the latest corded one.Hopefully it is a decent tool,i have used a friends cordless ryobi and for laminate trimming and routing hinge recesses it is pretty good but top heavy in use.If you don't need a heavy duty drill the electronic bench drill in Bosch green at Bunnings looks like a reasonable option for most tasks. Cant believe you sold tools i really struggle with that even when i clearly have no need for them,surprisingly i have found it easier to give them to family members then rather sell them off.My nephew refers to me as his favourite uncle which i am sure is because of the free kit he goes home with every time he visits.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 18, 2015, 04:13 PM

Let us know how they go when you have used them,don't know what i would do with them but they wont be lonely with all the other things i have bought just in case they come in handy.I like the rotating battery although i am not sure how often you will use this,better to have a function and not use it than want one you don't have in the middle of a job though.

BTW the original plastic orange dogs from the workmate fit in the MFT,not perfectly but well enough for most things.

My makita laminate trimmer is one of only two plug in tools i carry in my van and couldn't do without it.Apparently a cordless one from makita is coming soon and it is made to suit the optional spring loaded and angled bases of the latest corded one.Hopefully it is a decent tool,i have used a friends cordless ryobi and for laminate trimming and routing hinge recesses it is pretty good but top heavy in use.If you don't need a heavy duty drill the electronic bench drill in Bosch green at Bunnings looks like a reasonable option for most tasks. Cant believe you sold tools i really struggle with that even when i clearly have no need for them,surprisingly i have found it easier to give them to family members then rather sell them off.My nephew refers to me as his favourite uncle which i am sure is because of the free kit he goes home with every time he visits.

I don't think I was mentally stable at the time [eek]

I need a high precision pedestal drill for some of the things I have planned - like the one I had [crying]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on October 18, 2015, 08:20 PM

Thanks for the update Kev, I also like the look of the rotating battery and can see that feature coming in handy in tight spots. BTW, I had a good clear out of some older tools a week or so back, as I needed the space and some of the tools were old cordless with Ni cad batteries that I wanted to get rid of. I took them all down to Cash converters as I couldn't be bothered to advertise them locally, anyway after the initial formality of insulting my intelligence we agreed on what seemed like a fair price for a bunch of tools just collecting dust. Might even be enough to cover the purchase of the new Metabo angle grinder.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on October 19, 2015, 08:39 AM

@Holmz@Kev Adelaide Tools have been showing this online and in stock for a while now but when I checked on Monday they still hadn't got it in store and they didn't know when they were likely to receive it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 19, 2015, 08:44 PM

@Holmz@Kev Adelaide Tools have been showing this online and in stock for a while now but when I checked on Monday they still hadn't got it in store and they didn't know when they were likely to receive it.

They don't have an identical model on the Hare and Forbes site these days .. it was a floor standing, 1HP with a lid full of pulleys (think it was 16 speed). Cost me close to $1K many, many years ago. It was engineered with a metal working bias.

I never actually thought it had enough travel .. I had to mess with the table height and re-centre a few times when I wanted to drill deep with a long bit.

The one I'm currently looking at is the Jet via Carbatec https://www.carbatec.com.au/drilling-and-boring/jet-drill-press-floor-stand-single-carton (https://www.carbatec.com.au/drilling-and-boring/jet-drill-press-floor-stand-single-carton) but I think it could be a be "light on" in terms of grunt - a common use will be up to 40mm holes in ply for me.

Linshall, Garrick and Leda all seem to be selling nice looking units that all look the same ... http://www.ledamachinery.com.au/index.php/drill-presses/ledacraft-zqj-4132-heavy-duty-drill-press-detail (http://www.ledamachinery.com.au/index.php/drill-presses/ledacraft-zqj-4132-heavy-duty-drill-press-detail)

The variable speed and the wide table are nice features on the Jet though.

I am curious about this one .. http://www.redfoxmachinery.com.au/product/b28h-pedestal-drill-press/ (http://www.redfoxmachinery.com.au/product/b28h-pedestal-drill-press/) but I've never heard of RedFox

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on October 20, 2015, 07:14 AM

I am curious about this one .. http://www.redfoxmachinery.com.au/product/b28h-pedestal-drill-press/ (http://www.redfoxmachinery.com.au/product/b28h-pedestal-drill-press/) but I've never heard of RedFox

Don't know about RedFox but that is a rebadged Optimum B28H (can see the purple under the head and the branding on the chuck). H&F usually sell the Optimum brand but they don't sell this drill press. So perhaps RedFox have had to rebadge it in order to import it. I believe Optimum is Chinese made/German managed with their own factory in China. Haven't seen any reviews though.http://www.optimum-machines.com/home/index.html (http://www.optimum-machines.com/home/index.html)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 20, 2015, 10:43 PM

I know its been mentioned on plenty of different threads but thought everyone should know 5.2ah batteries are available in Au now.My local supplier doesnt have any in stock yet but they can be ordered.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 20, 2015, 10:52 PM

I know its been mentioned on plenty of different threads but thought everyone should know 5.2ah batteries are available in Au now.My local supplier doesnt have any in stock yet but they can be ordered.

Great! .. Is there a buy back scheme for the dozen plus 4.2Ah's I have? [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 20, 2015, 10:58 PM

I am in the same boat,i asked the rep if they would swap some and he said he would bring it up at the next meeting but given there is no official acceptance of any issue with the 4.2ahs i wouldn't hold your breath.I think i will wait for the next cordless tool release and start collecting them that way.

I'm tipping a cordless planer soon!!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2015, 12:16 AM

Now that I've invested in Metabo batteries the scene is set for me to get a cordless recipro ... If the need hits soon it'll be the current (and very average) Metabo cordless recipro, otherwise I'll try and hold out for a brushless Metabo or a Festool offering.

I could also be looking to get rid of my Senco Fusion and grab the Dewalt cordless framer and finisher pair when they hit ... putting the evil yellow in my camp as an option too [sad]

For some sad reason I dug our my cordless Dremel multi tool the other day to cut one thin rusted screw in a garden gate I was repairing ... it couldn't do it, such a sad little tool!! Metabo cordless angle grinder to the rescue [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on October 21, 2015, 01:07 AM

Apparently a new makita cordless nail gun range on its way but no details of what they are,talk of Milwaukee range as well but not soon so you might want to hang on to the fusion for a while and see what happens with other brands.The dewalt is out there now if you cant wait.

Did you buy the fusion expect a nailer some where down the track like i did.Some times it pays to wait a little before jumping in.

If you do end up with some dewalt guns the battery is the same one in their excellent cordless multitool so maybe dewalt could work out

Brushless 18v and 36v makita recip saws to be released next year,and the garden tools are surprisingly good on the Makita platform as well.Metabo brushless cant be too far down the track though.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on October 21, 2015, 01:14 AM

Yes @Kev I'm interested in knowing why you're getting rid of the Senco too. I've had mine for a few years, but it's only been used for one major job. I was very happy with it..Ps bought mine from overseas when the dollar was flying high. Even with buying a $100 transformer plus paying for shipping, I was a few hundred dollars ahead. Crazy..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2015, 01:39 AM

Apparently a new makita cordless nail gun range on its way but no details of what they are,talk of Milwaukee range as well but not soon so you might want to hang on to the fusion for a while and see what happens with other brands.The dewalt is out there now if you cant wait.

Did you buy the fusion expect a nailer some where down the track like i did.Some times it pays to wait a little before jumping in.

If you do end up with some dewalt guns the battery is the same one in their excellent cordless multitool so maybe dewalt could work out

Brushless 18v and 36v makita recip saws to be released next year,and the garden tools are surprisingly good on the Makita platform as well.Metabo brushless cant be too far down the track though.

A big YEP on Fusion expectations - I thought Senco was going to "nail" the market, but they've faltered and I'm left with a one off that's "ok", but you'd at least expect a consistent framing, finish and pinning / stapling offering with a common platform. Has this simply not happened because the roles in the trade rarely overlap and the demand for commonality doesn't exist?

Yes @Kev I'm interested in knowing why you're getting rid of the Senco too. I've had mine for a few years, but it's only been used for one major job. I was very happy with it..Ps bought mine from overseas when the dollar was flying high. Even with buying a $100 transformer plus paying for shipping, I was a few hundred dollars ahead. Crazy..

As a finish gun it's fine .. haven't had an issue, but haven't used it that much either. If I was going to standardise, I'd aim to do it while the Senco is in a state that holds most of it's value!

I paid full local [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on October 21, 2015, 03:26 AM

Now that I've invested in Metabo batteries the scene is set for me to get a cordless recipro ... If the need hits soon it'll be the current (and very average) Metabo cordless recipro, otherwise I'll try and hold out for a brushless Metabo or a Festool offering.

I could also be looking to get rid of my Senco Fusion and grab the Dewalt cordless framer and finisher pair when they hit ... putting the evil yellow in my camp as an option too [sad]For some sad reason I dug our my cordless Dremel multi tool the other day to cut one thin rusted screw in a garden gate I was repairing ... it couldn't do it, such a sad little tool!! Metabo cordless angle grinder to the rescue [big grin]

Why not paslode?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on October 21, 2015, 05:57 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on October 21, 2015, 06:07 AM

Quite funny that @Kev should mention the sad little Dremel. As I also dragged mine out on Sunday to do a small job around the house. The old Dremel finally gave up the ghost almost straight away, it had been getting quite temperamental of late so I wasn't surprised. I had never really liked the model I had, it was a 400 digital and was about 8 years old. Although I didn't use it that often I like having one around as they can be useful for certain jobs, anyway I was thinking of replacing the old model with the cordless version as I thought being cordless It would be more handy & I might be more inclined to use it even more. Does anyone know how the Dremel cordless version compares to the current 3000 and 4000 mains models, does it have the same amount of power.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2015, 07:28 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: doctr-dan on October 21, 2015, 08:09 AM

After the Senco came out one of my store reps said they were dropping it as they were use getting to many coming back from being unreliable. I've actually never seen a gasless gun used onsite.Sure paslode require gas and have there issues but aren't they the best out of the bunch available other than going back to air guns?I'm more curious than anything

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 21, 2015, 08:56 AM

After the Senco came out one of my store reps said they were dropping it as they were use getting to many coming back from being unreliable. I've actually never seen a gasless gun used onsite.Sure paslode require gas and have there issues but aren't they the best out of the bunch available other than going back to air guns?I'm more curious than anything

You could be right about Paslode. Personally I'm not the sort of person that wants to mess with both gas AND batteries .. but to my prior comment about roles in the trade, the Paslode could be the favourite for cordless framer users.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on October 21, 2015, 08:28 PM

Sure it's Paslodes on site wherever you look & if I was using a framer most days I would have replaced my old Paslode with a newer one when it died. But if you only need to use a framer once a month or even every couple of weeks like I do now then the battery only framers like the Dewalt are a good alternative, plus you can use the batteries for other Dewalt bare tools, also not having to mess with gas and having to purchase new gas when it goes out of date all helps.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...5.2Amp Batts at last Kev.
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 28, 2015, 03:41 AM

I couldn't see any mention of whether the bonus battery is a 5.2 or a 4.2v, just says plus 18v Bonus Battery!

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I caved in and went into Sth Melbourne today.

I'm a builder, already having the RO 150, RAS 115, TS 55, I just saw way too many applications for the HKC not to have it, my pet hate is moving long lengths to a drop saw. I figure it will be excellent for cutting in decks, flooring, weatherboards, cutting rafters and any big miters the droppy cant get.

Was $1040 for the Saw + 420mm guide rail, charger, 2 x 5.2amp batteries and the bonus was a 4.2amp battery. I also picked up the dust bag. Pretty good deal I thought considering the saw skin was 550

They ordered 10 of these packs in from Festool, I got the 10th today, he said they wouldn't be getting these packs in for at least a month.

Looking forward to using it on the job, will let people know how it goes.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 28, 2015, 10:07 PM

Welcome - Pykie.

Good to see more Aussies coming out of the woodwork.Enjoy the new saw.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Pykie on November 04, 2015, 08:19 PM

I'm currently looking at overhauling my entire onsite setup atm, getting a new trailer built around fitting systainers and transfering all of my tools into T-loc systainers and sortainers. I've got too much wasted space from boxes etc.

Anyone know of the best place in Aus to purchase systainers, also is it possible to get Tanos systainers over here that aren't upwards of $250 a pop?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 04, 2015, 10:20 PM

I'm currently looking at overhauling my entire onsite setup atm, getting a new trailer built around fitting systainers and transfering all of my tools into T-loc systainers and sortainers. I've got too much wasted space from boxes etc.

Anyone know of the best place in Aus to purchase systainers, also is it possible to get Tanos systainers over here that aren't upwards of $250 a pop?

There's a Aussie FOG member than can import in bulk - I'll dig up his details for you. Gets all the cool Tanos range.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Pykie on November 05, 2015, 03:04 AM

Awesome thanks mate.

Was thinking of possibly buying direct from Germany posting to a UK parcel forwarder, anyone done this? I've done it for US stuff in the past, it's quite good. The language barrier though..

There's also an Italy based dealer that sells on Ebay and ships to Aus, anyone use him before? Been thinking of buying a 700 XL and his price is a good 700 cheaper than here.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 05, 2015, 03:34 AM

I'm currently looking at overhauling my entire onsite setup atm, getting a new trailer built around fitting systainers and transfering all of my tools into T-loc systainers and sortainers. I've got too much wasted space from boxes etc.

Anyone know of the best place in Aus to purchase systainers, also is it possible to get Tanos systainers over here that aren't upwards of $250 a pop?

I got mine from a place in QLD. http://www.cltoolcentre.com.au (http://www.cltoolcentre.com.au)With the exchange rate it wasn't bad and the shipping is free if you get enough.I got a dolly for them as well...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DirtyOldMan on November 06, 2015, 11:37 PM

I'm currently looking at overhauling my entire onsite setup atm, getting a new trailer built around fitting systainers and transfering all of my tools into T-loc systainers and sortainers. I've got too much wasted space from boxes etc.

Anyone know of the best place in Aus to purchase systainers, also is it possible to get Tanos systainers over here that aren't upwards of $250 a pop?

There's a Aussie FOG member than can import in bulk - I'll dig up his details for you. Gets all the cool Tanos range.[/quote]

HI kev any chance of these details been trying to get the foam insert from tanos for a sys3

Cheers

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on November 07, 2015, 06:59 AM

Dont know if you noticed but the 90th aniversary Sys 1's are only $29 at the momment, just bought 20 because of the price. Its only a $50+ saving of a regular sys 1

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on November 08, 2015, 03:23 AM

Dont know if you noticed but the 90th aniversary Sys 1's are only $29 at the momment, just bought 20 because of the price. Its only a $50+ saving of a regular sys 1

I only bought 40, but I am thinking maybe I should get some more.I really need some #2 and #3.

When the Ikea wire rack collapsed I waddled to the computer place the order, and a rolling trolly.Should be about 4.5 M tall, so one 2M stack of retic, misc electrical, etc... and then another 20+ in the garage.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 08, 2015, 04:23 AM

Dont know if you noticed but the 90th aniversary Sys 1's are only $29 at the momment, just bought 20 because of the price. Its only a $50+ saving of a regular sys 1

Peer pressure [sad]

I just ordered 10. Not even using the two I already have [embarassed]

Where'd you order them Kev? I looked at them this morning, then decided to call a shop tomorrow, being tight trying to avoid shipping. Then when I saw that everyone's buying them up, I tried to order some this evening on the Festool site and it was rejected..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 08, 2015, 04:29 AM

Dont know if you noticed but the 90th aniversary Sys 1's are only $29 at the momment, just bought 20 because of the price. Its only a $50+ saving of a regular sys 1

Peer pressure [sad]

I just ordered 10. Not even using the two I already have [embarassed]

Where'd you order them Kev? I looked at them this morning, then decided to call a shop tomorrow, being tight trying to avoid shipping. Then when I saw that everyone's buying them up, I tried to order some this evening on the Festool site and it was rejected..

I ordered them on festool.com.au

why did it reject you?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on November 08, 2015, 04:30 AM

It just said something about being unable to do it. I've been trying from my phone - will have a crack on the computer. Thanks..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on November 08, 2015, 04:39 AM

Awesome, 12 Systainers ordered. That should take care of a few bits & pieces!

Thanks again Kev, you bad man.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 08, 2015, 04:48 AM

I'm currently looking at overhauling my entire onsite setup atm, getting a new trailer built around fitting systainers and transfering all of my tools into T-loc systainers and sortainers. I've got too much wasted space from boxes etc.

Anyone know of the best place in Aus to purchase systainers, also is it possible to get Tanos systainers over here that aren't upwards of $250 a pop?

There's a Aussie FOG member than can import in bulk - I'll dig up his details for you. Gets all the cool Tanos range.

HI kev any chance of these details been trying to get the foam insert from tanos for a sys3

Cheers[/quote]

PM'd you [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 08, 2015, 05:55 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: ggc on November 08, 2015, 05:25 PM

I'm the guy who bought in the Tanos systainers a few years back. Feel free to PM me if your're interested in getting hold of some of the items from the Tanos catalogue that aren't readily available in the Festool range, I might be able to put something together in the next few weeks, but no guarantees. Last time I tried to stick to the items that Festool Australia didn't offer (colours and different inserts), doesn't seem fair to cut the grass of a real business.

Pricing wise, for international shipping I piggypacked on the back of some machinery the company I work for was getting shipped from Europe, so the only shipping costs were around 200Euro to get across Europe + customs at our end. For distribution in Australia (I'm on the Gold Coast), Transdirect are pretty competitive for transport.The Tanos pricing and catalogues are on their website, last time it was 30% off rrp for a pallet of mixed sizes. With the AUD down against the Euro, it's certainly not giveway prices.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on November 08, 2015, 07:04 PM

@ggc That's interesting I'll keep an eye out to see if anything comes of this.

In the past I have imported quite a lot of equipment including items from Tanos into Aus from the UK and like you say because of the low AUD at the present time things certainly aren't cheap at the moment.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: ggc on November 10, 2015, 05:07 AM

Good news on the Tanos front, I can make a pallet load order happen at a reasonable price. Bad news is that I need to place an order this week to connect with the cheap shipping I have access to. Other bad news (for me) is that the container lands in Melbourne instead of the Gold Coast, but I reckon a motorhome relocation holiday/roadtrip will fix that problem

Realistically that doesn't leave a lot of time to organise a group buy and collect money, but to get to a decent discount from Tanos it really needs to be a full pallet, and I just don't need that many systainers in my life. Sooo, if people send me a request via PM for what they want, I'll add it to the order until i reach a pallet load. No payment up front (there's still a chance I won't make the shipping cut-off), but you'll only have 2 weeks to pay (direct transfer or paypal) after it lands in Australia before I put it on ebay.Pricing will be as per Tanos 2015 pricelist (tanos.de - service- downloads)except for the Tloc Sortainers and SYS-combis which are available on the tanos website or in the 2016 pricelist if you can find it. Further price reduction will be based on discount received from Tanos - 20% to cover customs/European transport/international money transfers/shrinkage/risk/stress etc. So if the order is big enough and I get a 30% discount from tanos, the price to the individual will be 10% (30%-20%) less than the tanos rrp* the exchange rate. Based on current exchange rate, that means an empty SysIV would be around $82AUD.

All shipping in Australia to be the responsibility of the purchaser, but it looks like I can arrange pickup in Melbourne or the Gold Coast. Can also package up an order for pickup by courier.

also, it needs to fit in a systainer or maxi-sys to maximise the shipping volume, so no roll carts or tanos mobil

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on November 10, 2015, 06:32 AM

Good news on the Tanos front, I can make a pallet load order happen at a reasonable price. Bad news is that I need to place an order this week to connect with the cheap shipping I have access to. Other bad news (for me) is that the container lands in Melbourne instead of the Gold Coast, but I reckon a motorhome relocation holiday/roadtrip will fix that problem

Realistically that doesn't leave a lot of time to organise a group buy and collect money, but to get to a decent discount from Tanos it really needs to be a full pallet, and I just don't need that many systainers in my life. Sooo, if people send me a request via PM for what they want, I'll add it to the order until i reach a pallet load. No payment up front (there's still a chance I won't make the shipping cut-off), but you'll only have 2 weeks to pay (direct transfer or paypal) after it lands in Australia before I put it on ebay.Pricing will be as per Tanos 2015 pricelist (tanos.de - service- downloads)except for the Tloc Sortainers and SYS-combis which are available on the tanos website or in the 2016 pricelist if you can find it. Further price reduction will be based on discount received from Tanos - 20% to cover customs/European transport/international money transfers/shrinkage/risk/stress etc. So if the order is big enough and I get a 30% discount from tanos, the price to the individual will be 10% (30%-20%) less than the tanos rrp* the exchange rate. Based on current exchange rate, that means an empty SysIV would be around $82AUD.

All shipping in Australia to be the responsibility of the purchaser, but it looks like I can arrange pickup in Melbourne or the Gold Coast. Can also package up an order for pickup by courier.

also, it needs to fit in a systainer or maxi-sys to maximise the shipping volume, so no roll carts or tanos mobil

Awesome work mate.

What day is the deadline that you need for the order?

I also presume all the inserts etc are ok to be ordered?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 10, 2015, 10:35 PM

The ten that just got delivered here, along with the two I received recently with new tools, has put me in the same position!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: ggc on November 11, 2015, 02:41 AM

All the inserts where in-stock lat week. All the coloured systainers should be available, but I guess there's always a chance that they might be low on a few items. The only one they didn't have were the rolls of anti-slip matting, but that's not really a systainer thing

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on November 11, 2015, 03:28 AM

You boys with all the 90 year systainers, what are you going to do with them?

I have ordered up two, they still haven't arrived yet! When they do, they will be put to use in a most unorthodox way. We have just removed our old kitchen which sold on Gum tree quicker than we had hoped, and as a result we will be without a kitchen for a while as the house is being knocked around a lot before the new kitchen can go back in. So the BBQ will be working overtime and the temporary kitchen will be relocated outside, hence those two new systainers will come in handy one for all our kitchen utensils and one for all the cutlery. That should keep them all dust. Free.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on November 11, 2015, 05:53 AM

I mostly bought them for unspecified future use :-D

There are a few things i want to use them for now, but I figure that they'll be very handy for further workshop expansion, and they're such a good price for a quality product that fits with all my other cases..

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on November 11, 2015, 06:43 AM

All the inserts where in-stock lat week. All the coloured systainers should be available, but I guess there's always a chance that they might be low on a few items. The only one they didn't have were the rolls of anti-slip matting, but that's not really a systainer thing

In case anybody was wondering what a pallet load of systainers looks like, here is a photo of the order I did back in 2012.[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on November 12, 2015, 01:51 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: ggc on November 12, 2015, 04:06 AM

Hi Bryan and others;About 90% confident that I'll be placing an order early next week, I'm expecting confirmation tomorrow on the latest departure date of the shipping container. I have a plan B that would line up with a container leaving early December, but haven't looked into too closely as I'm pretty confident I'll meet the first container. Going to sit down this weekend and work out what I want/need and add everybody else's requests into it. At this stage I'm thinking I'll be placing the order Monday afternoon.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 12, 2015, 04:22 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on November 13, 2015, 05:55 AM

Today I called into a local Festool dealer. While there I thought I'd pick up a spare blade for my Kapex 120. I asked for a price and was quoted $239. I asked if this was the best price and the sales assistant said they only discount on orders over $10,000!! Any suggestions on alternative blades?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 13, 2015, 06:33 AM

Today I called into a local Festool dealer. While there I thought I'd pick up a spare blade for my Kapex 120. I asked for a price and was quoted $239. I asked if this was the best price and the sales assistant said they only discount on orders over $10,000!! Any suggestions on alternative blades?

Tenryu is the go from what I've read. I burnt the wallet on an extra KAPEX blade recently ... in fact I've probably got $2K "invested" in all the extra blades for Festool circular saws.

I keep meaning to hunt down a Tenryu local supplier.

FLAI and Freud are probably options too - though I'm loathe to buy just to try!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: neeleman on November 13, 2015, 06:41 AM

In Europe there are differences of 50-60% less in the price of original Festool saw blades.The Kapex 60T blade (494604) has a recommended price of €142 excl. VAT. And is sold by my favourite German shop at only €57 excl. VAT (AUD 86).That's a difference of minus 60%!

Sorry for you mates down under!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 13, 2015, 07:17 AM

Just went hunting for a Tenryu ... but the time you land it in Oz it's more expensive that the full retail Festool equivalent [sad]

If I had a KAPEX and made my living from hardwood decking I think I'd be a little annoyed right about now!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on November 13, 2015, 05:44 PM

@Kev For reasons like this, was my thinking and justification why I initially went for the cordless Metabo miter saw, apart from the mobility of course I wanted to take some of the lesser cuts away from the Kapex. I for one couldn't afford to cut laminate flooring on a KapexI have just put my second new Erwin blade on the Metabo and at $32 per blade you don't need to worry.neelman's post just shows how we get ripped off down here at times.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 13, 2015, 07:54 PM

@Kev For reasons like this, was my thinking and justification why I initially went for the cordless Metabo miter saw, apart from the mobility of course I wanted to take some of the lesser cuts away from the Kapex. I for one couldn't afford to cut laminate flooring on a KapexI have just put my second new Erwin blade on the Metabo and at $32 per blade you don't need to worry.neelman's post just shows how we get ripped off down here at times.

Sadly the realities are completely lost ... both you an I have invested in the little Metabo. I know Locky got a little mains Metabo CMS a long time ago. If two KAPEX blades are more expensive than an entire SCMS, people will make choices!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on November 13, 2015, 08:54 PM

@Kev picked up a Metabo cordless fan last week in preparation for the summer, for anyone like us who has already invested in the batteries at $100 bucks it seemed like a really good buy.First thoughts are, a really solid and a nice quality fan, very quite with 3 speeds and all metal construction apart from the fan blades. I Had it running for about 4 hours on one 5.2 battery, but I can't remember now if the battery was fully charged so the test isn't scientific, I'll test again when the next heat wave hits. It doesn't oscillate because of the design but can be wall mounted or connected to a tripod just like the Metabo cordless light which is also very good and has two light settings. I haven't been able to locate the Metabo tripod for these yet, I have seen them on Youtube but not sure if they have imported the tripod into Aus and how much they will cost.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 13, 2015, 09:20 PM

That fan looks "cool" ... I've got too many Syslites to consider Metabo lighting at the moment, but a fan could be useful.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on November 14, 2015, 02:56 AM

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

Remember Kev where I work. [Most Aussies would appreciate we are talking about a major Australian (and equivalent Nth American big box store) hardware chain here].

I stated something along the lines that Festool made some excellent products such as the Domino and TS 55. [You can imagine what was going through my mind though - if it happened work heaven etc., ] He stated that even this Bosch, let alone his Festools [unspecified] were never taken on site due to the danger of theft. Work was a place for the Makitas.

As he was with his mother we then collectively joked about his buying this drill as an excuse to fix his mother's letter box! [eek] [big grin] And then proceeded to boring bits regarding Warrenty and Payment. [wink]

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

All of which is one of the reasons I am ensuring that my trusty Makita Compound stays in good condition. Currently has a FLAI installed.

Since suggesting I would purchase a KAPEX here on the FOG around two years ago I have purchased three other FESTOOLS. I no longer see the Kapex as a justified purchase. When the Makita goes, will most likely look at corded Metabo or Milwaukie.

Next FESTOOl purchase will most likely be a HKC but am awaiting either for -. News I won it in the recent Festool Comp (fat chance),. The corded version to be released in Aus.

As an aside at the hardware this afternoon when selling a Blue Bosch drill, the customer tradie said its a pity you guys do not sell Festool! [eek] [eek] [eek]

@Untidy Shop I think your decision regarding purchasing the Kapex is a wise one.I had never Ummed and Arred so much over a tool purchase as I did with the Kapex, at $1800 the decision can't be taken lightly and the cost doesn't stop there as there is no point investing all that money into a new mitre saw if you are not going to upgrade the dust extraction, so purchasing a 36mm hose that needs cutting down comes next and there are no cheap ways of doing this. In NA they mention buying a Bosch hose at a fraction of the price, I searched but couldn't find one down here! I think in the end it took nearly 3 years from first testing the Kapex to buying one as every time I made up my mind I was going to buy one something more pressing with the family came up and the Kapex fund was no more, and the whole (should I) process started over again. I'm glad I've got one now but if I'm honest I could have picked up Bosch glide at half the price and would have been just as happy with that.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 14, 2015, 06:19 PM

I've never really regretted my KAPEX purchase .. even when I cleaned up my "dead" Hitachi it replaced (to find it running perfectly after a scrape of the brushes, just before I stuck it on Ebay).

I value the quick deploy of the KAPEX on the UG cart and the near zero cleanup afterwards ... that time saved is the difference between me doing something and nothing!

I see the little Metabo SCMS as an added bonus - I just stick it on the outside table and cut ... quicker to use than a hand saw. The KAPEX comes out for bigger stuff now.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on November 14, 2015, 07:09 PM

Thanks for the suggestions regarding alternative blades for my Kapex 120. As I only want a spare blade I'll buy the Oshlun 80T online. It's about one third the price I was quoted on Friday. Most of the reviews are positive.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on November 14, 2015, 10:58 PM

That fan looks "cool" ... I've got too many Syslites to consider Metabo lighting at the moment, but a fan could be useful.

@Kev I hear you. I've only got one syslite And was going to get another one but I was waiting for the Kal 2 to make an appearance. No show I'm afraid [mad] So I bought the Metabo instead it was $50 cheaper than the Syslite and when it comes to brightness they are like night and day. although the Festool light is of good quality I find the Metabo light is also well made but is more suited for out door use.

For the answer - http://www.silive.com/homegarden/homeimprovement/index.ssf/2009/07/the_pros_and_cons_of_lacquers.html (http://www.silive.com/homegarden/homeimprovement/index.ssf/2009/07/the_pros_and_cons_of_lacquers.html)

Yep got the email that says, "It's that time of year again when Festool has their Happy New Year January 1st Price rise". Can't help but feel there is a touch of sarcasm in their email, Can't blame them really, must be frustrating for the dealers trying to justify the rise to their customers each year.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on December 13, 2015, 07:45 AM

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on December 13, 2015, 07:10 PM

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 07:28 PM

Well - I fancy the idea of using lacquer. Where does on get it in Oz?The Bunnings expert said poly-ureathane is lacquer.I am no chemist, but my spelling ain't to bad.

PPG Precat lacquer is available from the Haymes store in Geelong in various gloss levels.

It is a long drive to Geelong (go the Cats), but I have contacted Durabond.

What is the experience with a 2-pac automotive clear? I suspect that the coefficient of expansion is not well matched to wood so it might craze. But it is locally available.

I am looking to apply it onto Veneer, which could be tung/linseed oiled first...I suppose some test pieces might be what I SHOULD do?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Halle on December 13, 2015, 07:30 PM

If my memory is correct Tooltechnics of Australia and only one or two others have a different company structure than the rest of the world. I have met the trainer for Festool Australia and he is one of the coolest guys I've met. I understand that they do read this forum, but at the risk of upsetting the cart - also send an email directly to them and express your concerns.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 13, 2015, 08:01 PM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on December 13, 2015, 08:14 PM

Yeah @Untidy Shop I've seen it.I suppose maybe I should give it a whirl.

Looking for something which is pretty hard so it can be polished. I like the idea of lacquer as it seems relatively easy to repair.Also assuming like most 2 part epoxy systems that it needs a top coat which is a UV inhibiter?

The last time I used a 2 part epoxy on veneer it was a challenge.The worst part was when the big red back hiding inside the painting mask decided to have a gnaw on the Haus-Boss's nose.Her nose wasn't too out of joint from it, but I check my mask and keep it in a large zip lock baggie now.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 13, 2015, 09:29 PM

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

The far superior promotion of Festool products Down Under [apart from a few excellent dealers often mentioned on this thread], is this Forum.However probably not always this particular thread during the past twelve months. [smile]

Not impressed with this. I wouldn't be surprised to see Festool dumped by Just Tools and others (when I say Festool, I'm really saying Tooltechnic). If I was a Festool re-seller in Australia I'd be making certain the lion share of my income wasn't dependent on them.

Save for anything new and the odd spend on crazily overpriced consumables, there's probably less than half a dozen Festools in the current range that I may buy. I'm in no rush either as none impact anything I need today or in the near future.

Mmmmmmm Kev, if memory serves me correct you said something like this after the last price rise! Now let me think a minute; haven't you in the past twelve months purchased an HKC, and a X, and a Y and oh yeah, a Z?! [smile] [big grin] [smile] [big grin] [big grin]@Kev

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 13, 2015, 10:55 PM

I'm pretty certain I've (maybe with the exception of one, possibly two) only purchased the new tools and accessories).

... and I still haven't dropped the pennies for a Conturo, though I think that'll be a pickup on a Europe trip [wink]

(I do have 5 lifetimes worth of edge banding after all)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Larso on December 14, 2015, 03:35 AM

The most common finishing products in joinery shops are single pack lacquers generally mirotone or wattly industrial coatings,the intermediate step between the single pack and two pack poly is an acid catalysed two part lacquer. Mostly.Shellac is a very easy forgiving product you can buff to a brilliant gloss and not as toxic at home but not as hard as other finishes.

Two pack auto products work just as well on timber in general and i have seen many brands used over time.If you are worried about movement etc you can add a flex aid commonly used when painting plastic motorbike mudguards and the paint wont crack.We used to use Standox automotive during shop fit outs where the counters were curved and the facing was cut from kerf board painted in the workshop rolled up and fitted on site.

Wattyl Timberline is an industrial product that is a re branding of a spartan automotive acrylic which is pretty good for pigmented finishes.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 14, 2015, 04:25 AM

Just saw the Ideatools e-update ... offering finance and "order before Christmas".

Is this simply a more subtle approach to the looming price hike? [blink]

For a giggle I thought I'll create a shopping basket with EVERYTHING I could add from Festool and save it. Then I'll do it again in the new year and see just how significant the hike has been.

Back on the behaviour of Tooltechnic ... resellers crave promotions to have a reason to go out to customers. One look at the Idealtools e-update and you ask yourself "why am I reading this?"

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on December 14, 2015, 06:29 AM

Between the price rises, fixed pricing and the sad state of promotional catalogues, I really feel Tooltechnic are putting all their eggs in one basket - that being the quality of the actual Festool product. Somewhat risky seen s its the only thing they don't directly have any control over.

Tooltechnic are doing a fantastic job of removing any and all goodwill I feel towards them or my interest in new Festool products. Wonder if/how that's translating to profits?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: mike68au on December 14, 2015, 09:48 AM

I haven't been in for 3 months.... and if price rises are coming in Jan, i think that i'll be staying away longer..... + i really just don't need anything other than a Festool 18V Impact and that ain't happening anytime soon

I wish i could kick Sugar as quickly as i have visiting my Premium dealer.... for Festool.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 17, 2015, 04:16 AM

Well ... I grabbed a BS105 today. Probably saving $100 on the price hike!

Something I hadn't realised, the adjustment of the unit relative to the floating base is incredibly fine. Talking to Rob at Northern Abrasives - you'd never bother with something like an RS200 on a table top of work top any more, you'd use this puppy and then go straight to your ETS for the higher grits. We'll see [smile]

Still haven't been able to convince myself to hit the button on the Conturo. It seems really odd that I can get something like a Felder FB510 for the same money [huh] (yeh, yeh - different animal and all that). Sadly the Felder needs a bit more space than a Systainer [crying]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on December 17, 2015, 05:53 AM

I actually think that some of the Milwaukie tools are extremely well designed, but then manufactured to a price that compromises the end product. It's a real shame because I (and if I was colour blind) would have considered them as a tool range supplement over Metabo.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies.. New Year Promotion/Price Rises
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 31, 2015, 08:46 PM

Happy New Years Day to all Aussie Festoolvians.Festool have released a new Promotions Catalogue today which includes the release of the Cleantec Systainer Vac. Thanks to @Davesbuildtips for pointing this out in his review at -http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/cleantec-ctl-sys/msg435791/?topicseen#msg435791The other new products are two Syslites and larger Storage Systainers. But no sign of the HK55 corded. There is also a genuine promotion this time with $50 cash back on Cordless tools. See details at -http://www.festool.com.au/WebRoot/Store/Shops/tooltechnic/MediaGallery/files/campaigns/Festool_Jan-March_Campaign_Brochure.pdf

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But in welcoming in the new year there are the foreshadowed Price Rises. In some cases modest in some not, but given the fall of the Australian dollar during last year, these rises could have been worse. May indicate Festool Aust purchases in Euros rather than Dollers US. Only my speculation. Some price rise examples -Kapex 120 - A$1795 to 1895C18 Basic - A$379 to 399PDC 18 Basic - A$425 to 449HK55C Basic - A$525 to 559

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on December 31, 2015, 09:08 PM

Happy new year to fellow members!@Untidy Shop My Carvex in basic cordless form has gone up in price by $100 in a little over a year, that's a 25% increase. Just looking through the latest promotions and I think they could have kicked off the New Year with some much better deals. As these promotions are only going to work if your prepared to spend big. That $50 dollar cash back isn't a cash back it's $50 dollar off your next tool spend. So it means more money spent to save a few dollar. How about a decent promotion like introducing a discount on newly released products for a limited time, something like $50 off the new CTL Sys or $25 off of the new systainers just to get the year started.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 31, 2015, 09:16 PM

Happy new year to fellow members!@Untidy Shop My Carve . . . . . . . That $50 dollar cash back isn't a cash back it's $50 dollar off your next tool spend. So it means more money spent to save a few dollar. How about a decent promotion like introducing a discount on newly released products for a limited time, something like $50 off the new CTL Sys or $25 off of the new systainers just to get the year started.

Happy New Year DB.Yes I misread the Cash Back Offer [due to NYE Hangover [eek] ]. I can only agree with you and it favours big purchases rather than those who purchase irregularly (apart from Consumerables).@DB10

Title: Re: One for the Aussies.. New Year Promotion/Price Rises
Post by: Kev on January 01, 2016, 12:14 AM

I guess that I need to judge each case on its individual merits. There are some things like the quick action clamps that you can almost get 2 for the price of one, as they are $89.00 each locally.

RegardsGraham

A few years back, buying Festool accessories and consumables from the US made A LOT of sense. I got several big boxes full of "stuff" back then. The crash of the Aussie dollar relative to the $US has made it less attractive. It's also far less attractive from UK/Europe.

There's several US manufactured things I looking at buying but I'm hesitant as I don't think it's the optimal time to buy if I don't have an immediate need.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 05, 2016, 07:09 AM

I guess that I need to judge each case on its individual merits. There are some things like the quick action clamps that you can almost get 2 for the price of one, as they are $89.00 each locally.

RegardsGraham

A few years back, buying Festool accessories and consumables from the US made A LOT of sense. I got several big boxes full of "stuff" back then. The crash of the Aussie dollar relative to the $US has made it less attractive. It's also far less attractive from UK/Europe.

There's several US manufactured things I looking at buying but I'm hesitant as I don't think it's the optimal time to buy if I don't have an immediate need.

As @Kev mentioned a few years ago when the Ausie dollar was high it was an attractive proposition to purchase from overseas. But now it hardly seems worth the bother especially for items like clamps. When you factor in the airmail charges and possible long wait because the overseas dealer says he has something in stock and he doesn't and then you find out the item you ordered is on back order with Germany and then add to that the risk of items just not turning up, suddenly popping into a local store and picking things up becomes pretty hassle free.

For me now I would only order from overseas if it was an item that I really wanted and was just not available in Australia.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: doctr-dan on January 06, 2016, 03:58 AM

Festool hasn't made it great for shops seller there products have they....

Other than hopefully the shop person can answer a question a question or two you may have or advise this way or that way but other than that why wouldn't you just order it from festool direct and have it delivered to your door.

Eg, I could order the ctl sys and probably have it delivered to my door by Thursday, maybe Friday at the latest or I can have the closest festool dealer hold one for me when they come in , maybe Friday and then drive 35 mins each way

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 06, 2016, 05:27 AM

Festool hasn't made it great for shops seller there products have they....

Other than hopefully the shop person can answer a question a question or two you may have or advise this way or that way but other than that why wouldn't you just order it from festool direct and have it delivered to your door.

Eg, I could order the ctl sys and probably have it delivered to my door by Thursday, maybe Friday at the latest or I can have the closest festool dealer hold one for me when they come in , maybe Friday and then drive 35 mins each way

I'm still incredibly surprised that Festool Germany haven't smacked Tooltechnic for effectively competing directly with it's resellers. Can't imagine any new retailer choosing to range Festool in Australia under their current model ... I certainly wouldn't bother!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 06, 2016, 05:38 AM

Festool hasn't made it great for shops seller there products have they....

Other than hopefully the shop person can answer a question a question or two you may have or advise this way or that way but other than that why wouldn't you just order it from festool direct and have it delivered to your door.

Eg, I could order the ctl sys and probably have it delivered to my door by Thursday, maybe Friday at the latest or I can have the closest festool dealer hold one for me when they come in , maybe Friday and then drive 35 mins each way

Festool Aus has thrown a few crumbs to their dealers by way of giving them a small commission on your online sales, you might notice when you buy online you have to nominate a dealer, this usually equates to your local dealer and they will then pick up some commission, all part of the price fixing agreement that came in last year. But I agree with you when you factor in an hours drive and fuel it can be just easier and cheaper just to place an order online and sometimes just as quick.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on January 06, 2016, 06:52 AM

If you buy online directly from Festool Australia and you need warranty service will Festool organise pick up from your home / place of business? I would not want to take it to a retailer when I bought on line. Why should a dealer support me when they are not involved in the transaction. In any case my nearest dealer is a pretty ordinary outfit....

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 06, 2016, 07:08 AM

As a consequence of Festool Aust providing Internet sales, and now fixed retail prices, some dealers are now offering free freight with many purchases -

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I prefer the dealer experience and the interface with a salesperson. Moreover, the delivery of Festool items at the front door would only lead to domestic grief! [eek] [smile]

If you buy online directly from Festool Australia and you need warranty service will Festool organise pick up from your home / place of business? I would not want to take it to a retailer when I bought on line. Why should a dealer support me when they are not involved in the transaction. In any case my nearest dealer is a pretty ordinary outfit....

My info is that the dealer that you nominated gets a slice and is therefor the one required to handle the warranty claim.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on January 06, 2016, 11:51 AM

If you buy online directly from Festool Australia and you need warranty service will Festool organise pick up from your home / place of business? I would not want to take it to a retailer when I bought on line. Why should a dealer support me when they are not involved in the transaction. In any case my nearest dealer is a pretty ordinary outfit....

My info is that the dealer that you nominated gets a slice and is therefor the one required to handle the warranty claim.

Are you an optimist or a realist?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on January 06, 2016, 05:39 PM

If you buy online directly from Festool Australia and you need warranty service will Festool organise pick up from your home / place of business? I would not want to take it to a retailer when I bought on line. Why should a dealer support me when they are not involved in the transaction. In any case my nearest dealer is a pretty ordinary outfit....

My info is that the dealer that you nominated gets a slice and is therefor the one required to handle the warranty claim.

Are you an optimist or a realist?

Info supplied by a dealer.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 06, 2016, 07:35 PM

If you buy online directly from Festool Australia and you need warranty service will Festool organise pick up from your home / place of business? I would not want to take it to a retailer when I bought on line. Why should a dealer support me when they are not involved in the transaction. In any case my nearest dealer is a pretty ordinary outfit....

My understanding is the same as Bohdan's, so that means if you buy lets say an RO 150 on line and your tool needs to go back to service for repair, it will be down to you to get the RO 150 back to your nominated store. They then contact Festool, who send a courier out to collect your tool from the store, well that's how it works in theory in reality there is a lot that can go wrong.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on January 06, 2016, 10:59 PM

Yeah - my point was looking forward to the repair...

When I sent the Ct26 in they shipped it well south of Perth.That added yet another week to get it back.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 07, 2016, 12:49 AM

@Holmz sounds like your experience has been on par with mine, that's why I mentioned in theory this is how it should work. The reality can be completely different as I found out the hard way. I dropped my TSC 55 off at my not so local dealer for repair. After nearly three weeks had passed and there was no word on how things were going I phoned Festool service to find out the latest news, they informed me that they had not received my saw into their service Centre for repair. Apparently the courier company had not picked my saw up from the dealer and my saw got put out into the back of the shop and covered with other boxes and forgotten about. Anyway after my saw eventually got picked up and was repaired another couple of weeks had passed and I received my saw back to me. In fairness once the mistake was discovered my saw when it was repaired was sent back to my home address via over night post and not back to the dealership thank goodness.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on January 07, 2016, 01:08 AM

In theory the repair on my Mafell tools would problematic, but I doubt I need to progress past a theoretical chin scratching.

People talk about the great repair and warranty on Festool gear.That should be more theoretical than experiential, and not an expectation that it will certainly be required in due time.

"Up to me to get it back to my nearest store", is 1600+km in any direction.At that point I might as well order a new one right from Germany, as I can get stuff couriered around the world faster than from the Eastern suburbs to most other states.

Luckily the courier picked up my CT26 and returned it, and I did not need to drive interstate.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 07, 2016, 04:04 AM

Ah, the 'tyranny of distance'! A problem throughout both black and white Australian History! [smile]

In theory the repair on my Mafell tools would problematic, but I doubt I need to progress past a theoretical chin scratching.

People talk about the great repair and warranty on Festool gear.That should be more theoretical than experiential, and not an expectation that it will certainly be required in due time.

"Up to me to get it back to my nearest store", is 1600+km in any direction.At that point I might as well order a new one right from Germany, as I can get stuff couriered around the world faster than from the Eastern suburbs to most other states.

Luckily the courier picked up my CT26 and returned it, and I did not need to drive interstate.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 07, 2016, 04:36 AM

Talked the Mrs and Daughter into stopping at a shop 2 days ago.The Mrs said, "That looks nice" (eyeing the Kapex with table and out feed).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 10, 2016, 02:56 AM

Hi everybody,

Just had a look online at the new price for the RO150 in a Systainer. It's a dollar shy of $1000.00

This is the tool I have always wanted, it's a bugged that TTS have allowed their price fixing arrangement to gouge us more. I previously wrote to the ACCC and said that TTS were not in essence offering the superior sales experience that they have promised in their submission. I have not heard of any Festool clinics in Sydney, and I have never had a Festool product demo'd to me prior to purchase.

I might be asking a bit much......but to me a superior sales experience involves all those things. Miele, who operate on the same model, do clinics all the time.

However I am now registered with the ACCC as an interested party and will be able to make a submission if TTS seek renewal. According to the ACCC there were no dissenters to the price fixing arrangement. I would like to suggest that others make themselves known to ACCC and voice their concerns.

Rant over, off to put some vodka in the Green Kool Aid lol

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 10, 2016, 03:39 AM

I guess most of us have got used to it by now, but it doesn't mean we like it.

They (TTS) have taken the sport out of buying new Festools, who doesn't like to find what their looking for cheaper somewhere else from another dealer that you trust. I'd never just go to my local dealer if I was say buying a Dewalt, I would have a good search around first to see what's on offer, then maybe give the local guy a chance to match this price, just like I would if I was purchasing a new fridge. Shame on the A triple C

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on January 10, 2016, 05:42 AM

I guess most of us have got used to it by now, but it doesn't mean we like it.

They (TTS) have taken the sport out of buying new Festools, who doesn't like to find what their looking for cheaper somewhere else from another dealer that you trust. I'd never just go to my local dealer if I was say buying a Dewalt, I would have a good search around first to see what's on offer, then maybe give the local guy a chance to match this price, just like I would if I was purchasing a new fridge. Shame on the A triple C

Fully agree about price fixing taking the sport out of buying new Festools. It's no fun any more!!!If TTS are really trying to protect the sales efforts of hard working dealers against so called 'free riding' by other retailers why are they conducting their own on line sales. I strongly suspect the nominated dealer does not make much out of the sales. Also, why are accessories and consumables such as sandpaper, domino cutters, blades, dust extractor bags, spare parts etc also subjected to price fixing? How does the free riding codswallop apply here? I am still a Festool fan - just don't like the local distribution model.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 10, 2016, 07:32 AM

I guess most of us have got used to it by now, but it doesn't mean we like it.

They (TTS) have taken the sport out of buying new Festools, who doesn't like to find what their looking for cheaper somewhere else from another dealer that you trust. I'd never just go to my local dealer if I was say buying a Dewalt, I would have a good search around first to see what's on offer, then maybe give the local guy a chance to match this price, just like I would if I was purchasing a new fridge. Shame on the A triple C

Spot on. Although in the past my favourite dealer usually offered the best price. Even now they seem to be able to occasionally offer some discount on accessories such as sandpaper._______________________

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 10, 2016, 03:58 PM

Hi there

I wrote to them and voiced my complaints about the issue, and how they had allowed a price fixing agreement to come into place. My argument was along the lines of the consumer not getting the best deal.

They replied to me with a long e mail, and the agreement attached. In that e mail they said that they would keep me on their books in order to make submissions next time around.

Personally, I think that all Aussie FOG members should write to the ACCC and give them a piece of their mind. In my opinion, in order to satisfy the argument that the higher price provides a better sales service needs to be backed up with fact. I have not seen on the TTS website any clinics for NSW, nor have I been subject to any product demonstrations at my local premium dealer. The "We will fix it for you if it breaks" is already covered in consumer law.

The ACCC in their e mail to me said that nobody had voiced objections to them when they entered into the agreement. I'm guessing its because public submissions were not requested or encouraged. If you are not happy with the status quo, I would tell them.

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on January 10, 2016, 05:52 PM

"Spot on. Although in the past my favourite dealer usually offered the best price. Even now they seem to be able to occasionally offer some discount on accessories such as sandpaper"

My understanding is that 'consumables' can be discounted, but not 'accessories'. The retailers love the new fixed pricing - no more spending an hour with a customer, demo-ing tools, showing them/us all the ins and outs, only to have an internet price waved in their face with a 'match this, or I walk' ultimatum. It saves them a lot of time, and claim that sales haven't dropped. (At my local, at least).I enquired about a 1010 router, and what could they throw in to sweeten the deal - was told that nothing else, from any brand, can appear on the invoice, at a reduced price, or it's considered a discount. I haven't bought one Festool since fixed pricing. But, I have sold a few and replaced with alternatives. I'm a 20 year Festo/Festool customer, but it has to be a two way street.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 12, 2016, 08:29 PM

Just for giggles I have lodged a complaint with the Commonwealth Ombudsman against the ACCC for allowing such a deal to take place. I doubt it will get anywhere, but it keeps a few more government departments occupied [big grin]

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...ACCC
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 12, 2016, 09:11 PM

I am currently drafting a letter to the ACCC re price fixing and the lack of improved services from a customer perspective.

It would not be fair to the FOG moderators or Festool USA if this action was directly pursued here on the FOG, so I will not be publishing the letter here. Consequently if you want to see, have input and/or co-sign this letter, please PM me with your email address so this direct action can be taken away from the FOG.

I am not saying that this matter should not be discussed here, just not any direct discussion regarding, or participation in, this letter to the ACCC.

I agree in one regard, at least Festool USA post onto this forum and participate in discussions with the customer base.

I wish TTS would do the same.

Now back to dreaming about the next Festool purchase. Got a box to make [big grin]

Graham

I did mention to Shane a while back when he was running the show, about inviting someone from Festool Aus to come on board. Knowing Shane's dedication to the FOG I'm sure he would have passed the message on, but as of yet they haven't participated. It's a shame as Tyler and Phil in the UK add a great balance to the forum.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 16, 2016, 04:48 PM

At least it hasn't held me back [big grin]

Festool ETS150/3 followed me home yesterday. Got the deal with a box of sandpaper for free with the sander. Going to be christening it today.

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 17, 2016, 07:44 AM

Festool ETS150/3 followed me home yesterday. Got the deal with a box of sandpaper for free with the sander. Going to be christening it today.

RegardsGraham

That's not to be sneezed at, I like the Granat paper but why a box of 100 papers of the same grit when it's a new sander, mixed grits say 10 or 20 of each grit would make more sense. It's an expensive exercise kitting out the 150 with a good selection of papers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Linbro on January 17, 2016, 09:08 PM

Any Aus members have a Classic Sys4, prefferably in Anthracite but Grey is ok, they would like to sell?Thanks, Lincoln.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 20, 2016, 11:26 PM

Festool ETS150/3 followed me home yesterday. Got the deal with a box of sandpaper for free with the sander. Going to be christening it today.

RegardsGraham

That's not to be sneezed at, I like the Granat paper but why a box of 100 papers of the same grit when it's a new sander, mixed grits say 10 or 20 of each grit would make more sense. It's an expensive exercise kitting out the 150 with a good selection of papers.

Unfortunately that was what the deal offered. If you purchased the 150/3 then you got 180 grit paper, if you purchased the 150/5 you got 100 grit paper.

I agree that 20 of all the popular sizes would have been more user friendly. Now I have lots of 180 grit for everything and 1 x disc of 80 grit that came with the sander, and that's it.

As an aside, what grits are you guys buying. As mentioned, I need to stock up. [big grin]

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 21, 2016, 03:10 AM

Festool ETS150/3 followed me home yesterday. Got the deal with a box of sandpaper for free with the sander. Going to be christening it today.

RegardsGraham

That's not to be sneezed at, I like the Granat paper but why a box of 100 papers of the same grit when it's a new sander, mixed grits say 10 or 20 of each grit would make more sense. It's an expensive exercise kitting out the 150 with a good selection of papers.

Unfortunately that was what the deal offered. If you purchased the 150/3 then you got 180 grit paper, if you purchased the 150/5 you got 100 grit paper.

I agree that 20 of all the popular sizes would have been more user friendly. Now I have lots of 180 grit for everything and 1 x disc of 80 grit that came with the sander, and that's it.

As an aside, what grits are you guys buying. As mentioned, I need to stock up. [big grin]

RegardsGraham

Most of them [embarassed] it is easy coz you'll use it one day!!

It really depends on the application, but I typically don't like to grit skip - so if I'm starting with 60, I'll go 60, 80, 100, etc up to my target.

Honestly, most of what I have varies between 60 and 320 Granat for most sander formats with some exceptions (bargains, bonus packs, etc).

If you end up with a RO150 to partner the ETS150, you'll have no problem using up your 150mm abrasives stash [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 22, 2016, 03:56 PM

Ok no problem

I had a look on the Festool website, it wouldn't take long to spend $800 in abrasives to cover me through all the grits. But like you say, if I standardise on the RO150 and the ETS150 there is commonality across the machines. If I purchased an RO125, time to start again.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 22, 2016, 06:41 PM

You haven't factored in the cost of replacement backing pads and interface pads yet.

For most of my work with the ETS 150, I prefer using the blue hard backing pad over the soft pad that comes with the sander.

Just a side note, I checked the price of a new backing pad and it's being advertised at $71.20 but this includes a 20% limited time discount, this can't be right can it, as the last one I bought I'm sure was $50 something last year, that makes the new price when the discount ends to be about $85, for a backing pad?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 22, 2016, 07:30 PM

You haven't factored in the cost of replacement backing pads and interface pads yet.

For most of my work with the ETS 150, I prefer using the blue hard backing pad over the soft pad that comes with the sander.

Just a side note, I checked the price of a new backing pad and it's being advertised at $71.20 but this includes a 20% limited time discount, this can't be right can it, as the last one I bought I'm sure was $50 something last year, that makes the new price when the discount ends to be about $85, for a backing pad?

@DB10 surely that's 20% off the current list of $63.20 (Festool website) when you're buying them with a sander ... [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 22, 2016, 10:07 PM

You haven't factored in the cost of replacement backing pads and interface pads yet.

For most of my work with the ETS 150, I prefer using the blue hard backing pad over the soft pad that comes with the sander.

Just a side note, I checked the price of a new backing pad and it's being advertised at $71.20 but this includes a 20% limited time discount, this can't be right can it, as the last one I bought I'm sure was $50 something last year, that makes the new price when the discount ends to be about $85, for a backing pad?

@DB10 surely that's 20% off the current list of $63.20 (Festool website) when you're buying them with a sander ... [eek]

@Kev my mistake I was looking at item, 496210 @ $71.20. The ETS 150 backing pads are, as you say $63.20 but it also say's on the website this price includes a 20% discount. I didn't see anything about when buying with a sander, so is the current price $63.20 inclusive of the 20% discount?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 22, 2016, 10:31 PM

@DB10 based on the prices on gettoolsdirect.com.au ... these pads are now $79.00, which says the $63.20 prices is less the 20% discount.

Fixed price ROBBERY !!! [mad]

Are we paying for these bits of plastic to be blessed by the pope or something? These are parts that wear and should be priced reasonably ... you don't expect to pay $10K for a set of tyres for your car.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on January 22, 2016, 11:15 PM

So I guess it's a case of grabbing the blue backing pad ASAP. Looks like the pricing model is a brief discount followed by a price hike.

I see the special on the Domino at the moment. Buy a Domino and get the Domino systainer for free. $1750.00. I think it will be a while before a Domino graces the workshop

@Grakat You are learning quickly, That Tooltchnic don't give anything away for free.

The price of the domino has gone up quite a bit from last year and by my reckoning has gone up nearly $200 since I first entertained the idea of purchasing one, with the current price structuring the revelation of the domino will unfortunately for me remain a fantasy.

So I guess it's a case of grabbing the blue backing pad ASAP. Looks like the pricing model is a brief discount followed by a price hike.

I see the special on the Domino at the moment. Buy a Domino and get the Domino systainer for free. $1750.00. I think it will be a while before a Domino graces the workshop

@Grakat You are learning quickly, That Tooltchnic don't give anything away for free.

The price of the domino has gone up quite a bit from last year and by my reckoning has gone up nearly $200 since I first entertained the idea of purchasing one, with the current price structuring the revelation of the domino will unfortunately for me remain a fantasy.

The funny thing was that I had to educate my "premium" dealer on the deal for the sanding pads with the ETS150/3. However he hadn't adjusted the prices on the shelf, so according to consumer law I should have got the sander for the old cheaper price, however with the price fixing deal they wouldn't honour it.

The domino is on the list, but like you say it's going to be a while.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 23, 2016, 08:37 PM

Three weeks since the new price rises and my premium dealer can't be ar*ed to put up any of the new prices, so if you want to know the price of something you have to que up and wait for them to price check it. Couldn't be bothered so left.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 24, 2016, 03:09 AM

Yes I found that too. Maybe now would be a good time for someone to start an argument with their dealer. [big grin]

Does anybody know how long the DF500 + domino systainer going to be available?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 24, 2016, 07:50 PM

Yes I found that too. Maybe now would be a good time for someone to start an argument with their dealer. [big grin]

Does anybody know how long the DF500 + domino systainer going to be available?

As it's part of the latest promotion, I read in the brochure until the 31st of March

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 25, 2016, 11:04 PM

Hmmmmmm

Since the base tool will no doubt go up by 8% after the sale might have to try and get one by March 31st. I doubt any of the dealers will be able to give a good demo on the tool first, as it's a specialist tool, and it would be good to know the ins and outs before dropping $1750 on it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 26, 2016, 12:21 AM

BTW hope you all have a great Australia Day. Spent mine getting the lawn under control, as this rain/sun cycle promotes vigorous lawn growth.

Lamb goes on the Weber tonight. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: TheTassieBFG on January 26, 2016, 12:46 AM

Three weeks since the new price rises and my premium dealer can't be ar*ed to put up any of the new prices, so if you want to know the price of something you have to que up and wait for them to price check it. Couldn't be bothered so left.

have they taken down the old prices (if they ever had them up) you would have a case for getting them at shelf price.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on January 26, 2016, 12:48 AM

Prices on shelves?? My hear couldn't take it!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 26, 2016, 01:55 AM

@Kev when did you buy the TSC 55? And can you spend the voucher on anything Festool or does it have to go towards another power tool.

@DB10 got it from Northern Abrasives in Brookvale NSW. The voucher says I can spend in towards my "next" power select tool before the end of June ... can't think of anything 18V I need that I haven't already got! Maybe we'll be surprised shortly with a new Ti18 [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on February 02, 2016, 04:51 AM

@Kev The new Sys Rock should be with us before June, not sure if it counts as a power tool though.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on February 02, 2016, 05:28 AM

@Kev The new Sys Rock should be with us before June, not sure if it counts as a power tool though.

@DB10 I sincerely wouldn't part with $0.01 for a Sysrock - how it made it beyond the scope of being a promotional trinket completely befuddles me [blink] [huh]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on February 02, 2016, 06:36 PM

@Kev My $50 voucher turned up in the post today, This was also in relation to my TSC 55 purchase. I was a bit surprised as I bought the saw nearly a year ago, got until June to use it, I don't need anything Festool 18v either at the moment, I might take a look again at the HKC.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on February 02, 2016, 11:08 PM

@Kev My $50 voucher turned up in the post today, This was also in relation to my TSC 55 purchase. I was a bit surprised as I bought the saw nearly a year ago, got until June to use it, I don't need anything Festool 18v either at the moment, I might take a look again at the HKC.

@DB10 the HKC isn't awful .. it was the last 18V tool I got. I really like the rails too - I have the short and the medium ones (I didn't get the long one as I've got a 1080 with the protractor on it an feel it's a better way to go for accuracy on a longer cut)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on February 03, 2016, 03:07 AM

Well got my 50$ voucher today for the cordless jigsaw I purchased back in 2013!!!!

LolDon't worry about the hammer drill, hkc, txs c18 .

Funny

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 03, 2016, 06:50 AM

Mmmmm - will be looking at the mail post with possibly more interest than usual in next few days!? [blink]

Interesting that two Dealers who discounted Festool prior to the Determination by the ACCC, which led to resale price maintenance in Australia for Festool; are asking customers to contact them by phone/email for a special price on Fein tools.

And who is the Australian importer of Fein? Join the dots.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on February 08, 2016, 06:05 AM

I noticed that as well. Talking of Fein Multimasters, guess where my one is at the moment,, Yep being repaired by Tooltechnic......hopefully.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on February 08, 2016, 06:56 PM

Interesting indeed. Maybe they are trying to push a more competitive edge, or to try and pull the wool over our eyes to their business practises.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on February 09, 2016, 04:34 AM

Does anyone know when the new cordless super cut will hit Australia.

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on February 09, 2016, 08:03 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on March 04, 2016, 03:08 PM

Suppose I should come clean now (wouldn't want it coming out in the middle of my run for president) .. I have an Ozito mulcher/shredder (really it's a lump maker) that I grabbed in a rush when there was nothing open other than Bunnings [embarassed]

I think I need a separate little shed for my tools of shame and embarrassment

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on March 04, 2016, 08:25 PM

"The shed of shame"! I like the sound of that, I inherited a few Homelite garden tools that were taking up valuable shed space. I saw the light and took them off to Cashconverters. Got peanuts in return but no longer is it the Shed of shame.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on March 04, 2016, 08:35 PM

I put them near the entrance like garlic for vampires.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 06, 2016, 02:06 AM

I am yet to build the shed of shame but the slab has been poured. I do have a few Ozito tools, they serve a purpose and touch wood are still going strong.

Hope to get the Domino before the sale ends. Surprisingly for a home hobbyist I have a bit of work for it.

Holmz your location in the Avatar says that you are located in the North Atlantic according to Wikipedia but your posts often suggest the US. So to quote a past Australian Tourism Campaign slogan - where the 'B H' are you? Here, there or where? [smile]

http://youtu.be/rn0lwGk4u9o

From Wikipedia.In geography, the antipodes (/ænˈtɪpədiːz/; from Greek: ἀντίποδες, from anti- "opposed" and pous "foot") of any place on Earth is the point on the Earth's surface which is diametrically opposite to it.

This gave rise to the name of the Antipodes Islands of New Zealand, which are close to the antipodes of London at about 50° S 179° E. The antipodes of Australia are in the North Atlantic Ocean, while parts of Spain, Portugal, and Morocco are antipodal to New Zealand.

@Untidy Shop And those four day public holiday Carbatec sales used to include 10% off of Festool purchases, which was always a good excuse to top up on consumables, without that now I seldom pop in.

Yes @DB10 as you know those Festool non binding prices are no more! Not that Carbatec ever actually offered them in the past. And as for the 4 day sale, I thought this was worth promoting, even if it might be difficult to find a helpful salesperson.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on March 11, 2016, 11:00 PM

Not really much in that Carbatec promo to really entice. I'd buy well discounted Bessey clamps, but the discounts aren't significant and Bessey quite often does a promo that lets you buy 4 or more at a significant saving.

They do seem great value and I'm sure they have served people well, I just couldn't bring myself to purchase them. I guess at the big green shed Ozito must be the biggest seller of power tools followed closely by Ryobi.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on March 14, 2016, 05:26 AM

I wonder if ozito ends up like gmc

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on March 14, 2016, 06:56 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on March 16, 2016, 02:31 AM

Sorry to say Untidy, but not yet I'm sure they will though. I'm heading down to festool hq in Melbourne mid April, so I might see some new products . Kev lives so close to the beach his timber door is rusting [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...ETS-EC125
Post by: Grakat on March 16, 2016, 02:53 AM

Sorry to say Untidy, but not yet I'm sure they will though. I'm heading down to festool hq in Melbourne mid April, so I might see some new products . Kev lives so close to the beach his timber door is rusting [big grin]

Just to be clear too - the issue with the KAPEX blade being rusty isn't a Tooltehnic and is deffo not a Northern Abrasives issue. It's a Festool packaging issue. A light protective film or a plastic seal .. but no, a blade in cardboard wrapper, with an open patch to attract rust [sad]

Salty air and power tools / power tool accessories isn't a new problem. My new blade in package sat on top of a Systainer that was under a shelf in my garage for a few months and it blossomed into really ugly rust.

So Locky .. I've been waiting for notification of the Champagne Service model you're working on before I pop down. Is it in place yet? [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on March 16, 2016, 05:56 AM

I'm getting Rod to renovate the shop for you

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 23, 2016, 04:39 AM

Dilemmas dilemmas. Shall I get the Domino before the sales end or shall I roll the dice and hope it doesn't go up on 1st April.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on March 23, 2016, 05:04 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 23, 2016, 03:15 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

That was one of the reasons swaying me towards picking up the Domino sooner rather than later. A router is a fairly common piece of equipment, and the principle of operation is similar across most routers, however the Domino is a specialised machine, and therefore has a learning curve.

When I commence rebuilding the garage into a workshop the Domino will cop a hammering, but that is a few months away yet.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...HK55
Post by: Untidy Shop on March 24, 2016, 05:47 PM

Does anyone know or have an inkling whether or not Tooltechnic Australia will be releasing the HK55 [the corded model] in Australia? I note that both models are being simultaneously released in the US.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on March 24, 2016, 08:44 PM

@Untidy Shop The Festool rep mentioned to me last month that the corded version of the HK 55 was due for release here in Australia around May this year.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on March 24, 2016, 08:49 PM

@Untidy Shop The Festool rep mentioned to me last month that the corded version of the HK 55 was due for release here in Australia around May this year.[/size]

Thanks @DB10 . If it is May, that is perfect timing re finances and projects.

I'm hoping for the HK85 release .. having the HKC55 already would tend to make getting the HK55 a little redundant (though I'm not a good one to draw that into a decision).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 25, 2016, 09:33 PM

Hello again,

I received a bonus from work just before Easter. Luck has it that it was a Domino sized bonus. So picked up the DF500 and Domino set this morning. There are a few things of a practical nature ie plywood box to put on the fridge slide in the Landcruiser, and a clamp rack. Simple functional projects with a chance to learn the Domino.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on March 25, 2016, 09:56 PM

Hey guys, I'm hoping when I head down to Melbourne I will be able to answer all your questions on new tools, but in regards to prices tts usually change there prices in the beginning of the year, so your safe. But they also usually bring out 2-3 promotions per year were they will have specials and freebies as you guys know and considering there was a deal on the domino in this promotion I think you should be safe Grakat [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 25, 2016, 10:15 PM

I am sure that it's an error! Must be, because it's my favourite dealer.

When publicising that the Festool Promotion ends March 31st, they offer the TXS/CXS Mini Cordless 2.6 sets for A$399 reduced from A$415 when the Tooltechnic price on the Festool website is $399. [eek] Must be the Free Freight! [smile]

I am sure that it's an error! Must be, because it's my favourite dealer.

When publicising that the Festool Promotion ends March 31st, they offer the TXS/CXS Mini Cordless 2.6 sets for A$399 reduced from A$415 when the Tooltechnic price on the Festool website is $399. [eek] Must be the Free Freight! [smile]

If you look at other sellers $399 is a promo price ... saving a whopping $16. Makes me want to rush out and buy two [huh]

Expect it to go back to $415 next week!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on March 27, 2016, 04:20 AM

I guess if you haven't got one and you wanted one you've got until the 31st to secure one. Personally I have a compact Makita Impact driver and cordless drill set, so see no need to change.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on April 03, 2016, 03:36 AM

Domino 101 today.

Made a few mistakes but they were in scrap pieces of timber. Finished off the day by using the domino to put together my clamp rack project. The joints are very strong once they are glued up. I tried to seperate one....no chance.

I figure the more I use it the better I will get at it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on April 03, 2016, 05:13 AM

Made a few mistakes but they were in scrap pieces of timber. Finished off the day by using the domino to put together my clamp rack project. The joints are very strong once they are glued up. I tried to seperate one....no chance.

I think the biggest problem was my setup. As the garage has not yet been converted into a workshop I was working on a temporary workbench. I think that the tool is super accurate, which means my setup needs to match it.

Agree on the additional dominos. Once I get going I'm going to use a lot.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 03, 2016, 05:34 AM

Hi, just got brought to my attention that there seems to be some Wera tools now being stocked by Bunnings and can be seen on Bunnings' website (Wera Search (http://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=wera&redirectFrom=Any)). In some instances their prices seem to be quite a lot cheaper than the usual suppliers I have checked in the past (RS Online, Element 14, eBay, Amazon etc). I wonder if they support special orders for particular items?

Just picked one up this week. The Kraftform Kompakt 28 SB Screwdiver Set with retractable and adjustable length on shaft, inbuilt bitt holder. Bitts and shaft can be used in power tools.

Those Aussies who watched the Australian Broadcasting Commission's 'The Checkout' this week, will appreciate that it comes in a nice box. [big grin]

In my images I have it all opened up -

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]

http://www-us.wera.de

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on April 22, 2016, 05:22 AM

Cool. Looks good.

You might need to purchase a Sys1 for it [big grin]

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on April 22, 2016, 06:12 AM

I "almost" got myself a Leatherman Tread the other day. Went home and read a few reviews and decided I wasn't a wanna be survivalist wanker .. yeh .. I'm certainly other forms of wanker [embarassed]

@Untidy Shop are you keeping the Wera in a pouch with other essentials? I'm pondering a small acreage future and I'm guessing "the shed" being more than 10 metres away creates some tool logistics issues.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 22, 2016, 08:51 AM

@Untidy Shop are you keeping the Wera in a pouch with other essentials? I'm pondering a small acreage future and I'm guessing "the shed" being more than 10 metres away creates some tool logistics issues.

Well yes @Kev it does, but as one 'matures'' it is more like after having walked the 20 metres to the Untidy Shop its; "now what did I come down here to get?" [eek] It also means some basics/duplicates stay in the house, for example; having two Festool Vacs.

@Grakat I plan to put it in a drawer yet to be made and installed under the assembly table. But then again I have two 90th Aniversary Sys 1s doing nothing at the moment!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Lest We Forget
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 24, 2016, 09:53 PM

ANZAC DayLest We Forget

[attachimg=1]At the going down of the sun,And in the morning,We will remember them.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: CMortz on April 25, 2016, 05:18 AM

and in NZ

Ka maumahara tonu tatou ki a ratou. We will remember them

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on April 25, 2016, 05:46 AM

I'm on the path of a couple of jet fighters that always do a low, high speed flyover .. they don't seem to want me to forget . . .

Yes @Kev, I know how that can be upsetting. During the Australian GrandPrix I was on the roof of the Melbourne House with paint and brush at hand when I was buzzed by the RAAF F18 commencing its low run in to Albert Park at the commencement of its display. Such a shock and paint everywhere! [eek] [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Festool or Facebook makes it hard
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 27, 2016, 10:25 PM

Let's see now; how can we make it just a little bit harder for our customers to enjoy our Facebook page! [blink] [eek]

Is this 'security check' the work if Tooltechnic Aust., or Facebook?

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Festool or Facebook makes it hard
Post by: Kev on April 27, 2016, 11:16 PM

But today I want to congratulate them and especially Lauree in Marketing.

I have projects coming up that will be enhanced by an HK55 EQ240V; that is, the corded version. My dealers main Festool rep last week did not know, "may be a year"! [eek]

So just now I sent a Message via Festool's Facebook and within 10 mins received the following reply -Hi Stephen, the HK will be released in Australia but we are waiting for approval here is Australia and supply from Germany. It will be released the second half of this year. Kind regards Lauree (marketing executive Festool Australia)

But today I want to congratulate them and especially Lauree in Marketing.

I have projects coming up that will be enhanced by an HK55 EQ240V; that is, the corded version. My dealers main Festool rep last week did not know, "may be a year"! [eek]

So just now I sent a Message via Festool's Facebook and within 10 mins received the following reply -Hi Stephen, the HK will be released in Australia but we are waiting for approval here is Australia and supply from Germany. It will be released the second half of this year. Kind regards Lauree (marketing executive Festool Australia)

Outstanding. [smile] [smile]

That's interesting .. I've asked two questions publicly ... one has been ignored and the other one has vanished [mad]

New Festool Australia "promo catalogue" .. apart from a bundle discount of $100 on a vac+machine and a few bonus giveaways, nothing new to rave about.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on May 02, 2016, 10:25 PM

Not happy Jan. Bought a HKC 55 kit on Saturday having the rail bag as a bonus would have been nice! Emailed Festool AU... lets see what they say! [wink]

Cheers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 02, 2016, 11:28 PM

@Kev@thylaxene@GrakatWell having just downloaded this latest 'Promotion' Cat. I note -. A$100 discount on DE/Tool packages does not generally equal the usual 10% and currently 15% discount offered in the US.. Of the Tool Bonuses, the A$313 of blades with the Vecturo is good value, the bonuses with the BHC and Jigsaws are reasonable and the rest, such as those with the EL65, are basically 'Fan' trinkets.. Reasonable discounts on storage.

Overall I would rate a slight improvement over the last promotion. However probably some emphasis on slow moving stock such as the sander models featured. Would have liked batt. bonuses to continue.

ANDIt would have been great if the current discount promotion being offered in the UK had been replicated here.__________________@Grakat

Why not ask them about the 85; see Reply # 673. [smile]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on May 02, 2016, 11:35 PM

Yeah the SDS bits with the BHC skin makes it very tempting.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Locky on May 03, 2016, 01:44 AM

They also have the conturo kit on sale which is a good deal, $923 off

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 03, 2016, 02:40 AM

Yeh - got excited about that until I examined the detail ... They've "full priced" the Conturo as if you would buy the Conturo and the accessory kit as separate items. On a $10K+ purchase they're effectively offering a real 6.5% discount. Not enough for me to "impulse buy".

The possible real bargain is the VAC-SYS set with the bonus heads. That's more like a 21% discount. Curious whether the bonus heads come in the Conturo bundle (it's not mentioned) - it would change things if it did.

The VAC-SYS combo offered is confusing though ... if you buy 580070 (pump) and 580071 (vacuum clamping unit and foot release) for $1,890, you don't get the the hose ($150 worth that you do get in the $1,845 full kit 201655) ... so are you only really getting a $320 net benefit in the end? Why not also offer the bonus with the full kit 201655). If they offered a bonus set of heads with each clamping unit, I'd buy a two head system right now!

Also curious about the version of the MFT/3 that really comes with the kit. Why the "non basic" version in this combo and why not ex the value of the standard MFT top?

The MFK700 discount isn't too bad ... $105 off of a $755 tool ... that's 14%, but that's the bottom machine ... why not offer 15% of all MFK models? ... if you get the MFK you WILL buy the fences and at that point you're back to square one.

Bundles need to be honest bundles and discounts need not to be teaser traps. Hopefully these are oversights, but examining the detail makes me underwhelmed .. at the very least you appear to be needing to buy a bracket for you vac head unit and a hose to make your Conturo bundle fully functional.

So to be totally transparent and not seem like I'm just having a dig ...

To get near the suggested saving it seems they must also be assessing the bundle on the full price version of the MFK700. Plus don't forget to buy an MFT mounting bracket for the vac clamping head an a hose to connect up you unit (494977 @ $365 and 495293 @ $150).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 03, 2016, 02:40 AM

Some time in the very near future at Northern Abrasives -H E L L O Kev. [big grin]

Edit - A great joke, even if I do say so myself, slammed down by just 19 seconds difference in posting time. [eek]

__________________

Interesting that these additional promotions are not part of the main promotion catalogue. If it was not for Locky and Kev, I would have missed it. Not that these items are on my future list though, but for some customers who are - ??!

Some time in the very near future at Northern Abrasives -H E L L O Kev. [big grin]

Edit - A great joke, even if I do say so myself, slammed down by just 19 seconds difference in posting time. [eek]

__________________

Interesting that these additional promotions are not part of the main promotion catalogue. If it was not for Locky and Kev, I would have missed it. Not that these items are on my future list though, but for some customers who are - ??!

Good news on the Tanos front, I can make a pallet load order happen at a reasonable price. Bad news is that I need to place an order this week to connect with the cheap shipping I have access to. Other bad news (for me) is that the container lands in Melbourne instead of the Gold Coast, but I reckon a motorhome relocation holiday/roadtrip will fix that problem

Realistically that doesn't leave a lot of time to organise a group buy and collect money, but to get to a decent discount from Tanos it really needs to be a full pallet, and I just don't need that many systainers in my life. Sooo, if people send me a request via PM for what they want, I'll add it to the order until i reach a pallet load. No payment up front (there's still a chance I won't make the shipping cut-off), but you'll only have 2 weeks to pay (direct transfer or paypal) after it lands in Australia before I put it on ebay.

Pricing will be as per Tanos 2015 pricelist (tanos.de - service- downloads)except for the Tloc Sortainers and SYS-combis which are available on the tanos website or in the 2016 pricelist if you can find it. Further price reduction will be based on discount received from Tanos - 20% to cover customs/European transport/international money transfers/shrinkage/risk/stress etc. So if the order is big enough and I get a 30% discount from tanos, the price to the individual will be 10% (30%-20%) less than the tanos rrp* the exchange rate. Based on current exchange rate, that means an empty SysIV would be around $82AUD.

All shipping in Australia to be the responsibility of the purchaser, but it looks like I can arrange pickup in Melbourne or the Gold Coast. Can also package up an order for pickup by courier.

also, it needs to fit in a systainer or maxi-sys to maximise the shipping volume, so no roll carts or tanos mobil

so this did actually happen, sat in Italy for far too long (cheap shipping always has a cost), but it's landed in Melbourne.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: ggc on May 03, 2016, 07:48 PM

So I've got some spare systainers, and some where I haven't been able to contact the person who requested them.If you're interested, it's car boot sale time. I'll be in the Altona, Melbourne area 5-6 and maybe 7th of May, after that driving back to the Gold Coast with a stopover around the Central coast. Attachment shows the items I have remaining and the prices, part numbers are as per the Tanos catalogue. Contact via PMs. [attachimg=1]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 05, 2016, 06:55 AM

I think the theme of this promotion is that TTS have a lot of vacuum cleaners to shift. [big grin]

Seems you only get a discount if you buy a tool with the extractor. Even jigsaws, which don't really benefit from the extractor, get the treatment as well. The OF1400 is not on special, that is the normal list price.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 05, 2016, 07:54 AM

I think the theme of this promotion is that TTS have a lot of vacuum cleaners to shift. [big grin]

Seems you only get a discount if you buy a tool with the extractor. Even jigsaws, which don't really benefit from the extractor, get the treatment as well. The OF1400 is not on special, that is the normal list price.

Every promotion I've waited to see if the OF2200 set would be discounted ... [sad] never is - so tonight I bit the bullet. One of the few Festools I didn't have that I wanted.

It was Router Night at Northern Abrasives .. so it was time [wink]

I was borderline on the discounted MFK700, but the stupid OFK/MFK basic/set and accessories does my head in. Rod (owner of Northern Abrasives) had a great idea .. suggested they should sell the basic MFK and have an accessory set with ALL the different pieces like with the OF2200. I'd buy that!

On a slightly different note relating to @Untidy Shop mentioning the HK55, we could see the HK85 round the same time.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on May 05, 2016, 08:05 AM

So I've got some spare systainers, and some where I haven't been able to contact the person who requested them.If you're interested, it's car boot sale time. I'll be in the Altona, Melbourne area 5-6 and maybe 7th of May, after that driving back to the Gold Coast with a stopover around the Central coast. Attachment shows the items I have remaining and the prices, part numbers are as per the Tanos catalogue. Contact via PMs. (Attachment Link)

@ggcJust want to say thanks to gavin for organising the pallet of systainers. met up with him this morning.

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 08, 2016, 01:41 AM

Looks like the local dealer has an PS300 barrel version in stock. It's included as part of the promotion this month with a set of blades.

The blade guides look a lot better too. Might have to grab this one......

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on May 08, 2016, 02:42 AM

Looks like the local dealer has an PS300 barrel version in stock. It's included as part of the promotion this month with a set of blades.

The blade guides look a lot better too. Might have to grab this one......

I recently had to send the psc 420 back the be repaired.And i pulled out my old ps300 the guids on the older model are so much beter then the carvex. But i love not having the cords getting tangled with the planner .

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 08, 2016, 03:05 AM

I'm more interested in the corded line of Festool tools, as I am replacing (and adding to) some tools that I had stolen years ago. Personally I'm not convinced on the cordless range, there are other companies that have more diversity in this area.

However, for the corded stuff......bring it on. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 08, 2016, 03:13 AM

I'm more interested in the corded line of Festool tools, as I am replacing (and adding to) some tools that I had stolen years ago. Personally I'm not convinced on the cordless range, there are other companies that have more diversity in this area.

However, for the corded stuff......bring it on. [big grin]

I got a a PS300 to dedicate to the CMS. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 08, 2016, 10:40 PM

That's good.

I have just purchased the PS300. I had a look at the underside of the PS400 and the PS300. I'm happy with my choice [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 15, 2016, 01:26 PM

Back on Oz range and Conturo .. we don't get this offered ... Festool 500869

Pricey I know but the folks in the states mange to get stuff from Europe.

@jobsworth if I was going to ship something that bulky I'd make the load really worthwhile [wink] [big grin]

In reality I think Festool Australia has simply lost touch while the core distributor focuses on other brands. Their recent Conturo bundle is a brilliant example of being short of the mark ... the idea was right, but they missed the target by miles. What they should do is ask the best resource they have for ideas - their customers. Then look at putting the right combinations together for promotion at an attractive price point.

Another great example is the tool and vac combo ... some of us have plenty of vacs, but would happily benefit from a bonus for buying two or more tools (OR vacs) at once. A clever promotion would simply be 1 tool gets 0% discount, 2 tools gets 5% discount, 3 or more tools gets 10%. discount. This is the sort of promo that can engage everyone.

I also feel sorry for the retailers. Lack lustre promotions, along with the enforced Festool Australia retail price maintenance, gives them very little to entice customers desiring anything other than the narrowly focused offers.

I'll also throw in that here in Oz financial year end is June and the various brands are going crackers with promotions to get tradies' money. Though I'm not a tradie, I just went to satisfy my curiosity on some yellow stuff and accidentally dropped $2K in the process. It's a "share of wallet battle" and the phrase "think big to win big" was never more appropriate.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on May 16, 2016, 07:44 AM

Pricey I know but the folks in the states mange to get stuff from Europe.

@jobsworth if I was going to ship something that bulky I'd make the load really worthwhile [wink] [big grin]

In reality I think Festool Australia has simply lost touch while the core distributor focuses on other brands. Their recent Conturo bundle is a brilliant example of being short of the mark ... the idea was right, but they missed the target by miles. What they should do is ask the best resource they have for ideas - their customers. Then look at putting the right combinations together for promotion at an attractive price point.

Another great example is the tool and vac combo ... some of us have plenty of vacs, but would happily benefit from a bonus for buying two or more tools (OR vacs) at once. A clever promotion would simply be 1 tool gets 0% discount, 2 tools gets 5% discount, 3 or more tools gets 10%. discount. This is the sort of promo that can engage everyone.

I also feel sorry for the retailers. Lack lustre promotions, along with the enforced Festool Australia retail price maintenance, gives them very little to entice customers desiring anything other than the narrowly focused offers.

I'll also throw in that here in Oz financial year end is June and the various brands are going crackers with promotions to get tradies' money. Though I'm not a tradie, I just went to satisfy my curiosity on some yellow stuff and accidentally dropped $2K in the process. It's a "share of wallet battle" and the phrase "think big to win big" was never more appropriate.

Hey that will give a reason to fly over here and go to my BBQ Ill even throw a shrimp on the Barbie if ya want

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 17, 2016, 05:50 AM

Because I recently grabbed a couple of Dewalt nailers (the $1399 bundle was too good to pass up) I decided I'd like 2x 2.0Ah batteries for the finish nailer.

One option would have been Ebay roulette (buying batteries on Ebay can be a bad experience). The other option was that thing called a "retail store" [cool]

Currently Dewalt have a pretty big promo on and apart from the nailers, I found a package that has 2x 2.0Ah batteries, charger, case and a brushless hammer drill (DeWalt DCD795D2-XE) for $269 .. Normally over $400. The drill appears to be a pretty OK drill too (even though it's yellow). I would have saved myself ~$80 if I'd just got the batteries, but that's counter intuitive to the way I think.

Needless to say I now have a Dewalt drill that will probably find it's way into my son's tool chest (without the batteries) [wink]

I've only seen this offer at Sydney Tools https://sydneytools.com.au/dewalt-dcd795d2-xe-18v-2-0ah-xr-li-ion-brushless-cordless-hammer-drill-driver-kit but I suspect it's part of the wider Dewalt promo.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on May 18, 2016, 10:23 PM

The biggest risk would be receiving a lemon with no recourse. The pricing model from TTS here in Australia always makes overseas options look attractive. That, in a nutshell is the issue.

No recourse?I was able to register all 6 tools, and one was a FT.You would likely need to pay shipping.But when you get 4 tool for the price of 3 you are ahead once you hit 4, unless you have 2 failures.

Hence I got a Mirka sander.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 19, 2016, 12:55 AM

I think the biggest problem will be that TTS Melbourne would turn around and refuse to cover the tools when you go to register them. Registering an imported Festool would kick seven kinds of s**t out of their price fixing model. (You cant get it cheaper, except at................)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 19, 2016, 03:00 AM

@GrakatI think what @Holmz was saying, was that the tools were registered with, for example; Festool UK, and that if things went south he would have to pay the expense of freight back to the UK.

My concern is beyond the Warrenty period with a tool requiring a minor fix, and that with freight the expense is beyond cost effectiveness.

Also does Festool's various international identities actually register sales from non residents? A proxy address might be needed?

International Festool registration is probably a mixed bag. And after all would there not be some agreement across the Festool International Agent Community? @Phil Beckley

I have no doubt that Tools such as Mirka can be registered because there is no Australian agent.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 19, 2016, 05:38 AM

You'll giggle at this ... went to the big B today to pick up a couple of things I knew they had and there was a clearance rack with various stuff on it. Serco 75x3.06mm 3000 pacs for $14 (got 5 boxes) and hinges for $1 .. grabbed a few boxes of 20.

To think I went in for some garden fence hinges and a couple of strips of aluminium [embarassed]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on May 19, 2016, 06:09 AM

I think the biggest problem will be that TTS Melbourne would turn around and refuse to cover the tools when you go to register them. Registering an imported Festool would kick seven kinds of s**t out of their price fixing model. (You cant get it cheaper, except at................)

Well I registered it with FT Germany.I would expect TTS to say no, so I suppose i would send it to Germany.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 19, 2016, 07:55 AM

I think the biggest problem will be that TTS Melbourne would turn around and refuse to cover the tools when you go to register them. Registering an imported Festool would kick seven kinds of s**t out of their price fixing model. (You cant get it cheaper, except at................)

Well I registered it with FT Germany.I would expect TTS to say no, so I suppose i would send it to Germany.

TTS here will fix a foreign tool, they just won't perform it as a warranty service - so you'll pay fix ticket on the repair. You'd need to make a judgement call on just how broken you tool is!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 19, 2016, 08:22 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 19, 2016, 08:57 AM

Change of subject, have you guys any thoughts on the Masters situation?

Sad for the employees and the small local business's that rely on the passing trade But what sort of business model sinks millions into setting up a big box store to rival the big B and then pulls the rug out before they have implemented their roll out, apparently some of the incompleted stores will never open.

I visited them a couple of times and bought some lights and the wife saw a kitchen that she liked on display, when we enquired about the kitchen we were told that they can't actually supply that kitchen, apparently it was installed in their show room before they found out that they couldn't actually source the kitchen, from Germany of all places, begs the question why they wern't sourcing local products. The other kitchens that we looked at all had a 12 week lead times and this store was placed right next to IKEA, I wonder how many potential buyers went next door.

I always had a look at the power tools but apart from the odd Hitachi and Panasonic it was the usual cheap buy anywhere tools being touted.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 19, 2016, 09:08 AM

Change of subject, have you guys any thoughts on the Masters situation?

Sad for the employees and the small local business's that rely on the passing trade But what sort of business model sinks millions into setting up a big box store to rival the big B and then pulls the rug out before they have implemented their roll out, apparently some of the incompleted stores will never open.

I visited them a couple of times and bought some lights and the wife saw a kitchen that she liked on display, when we enquired about the kitchen we were told that they can't actually supply that kitchen, apparently it was installed in their show room before they found out that they couldn't actually source the kitchen, from Germany of all places, begs the question why they wern't sourcing local products. The other kitchens that we looked at all had a 12 week lead times and this store was placed right next to IKEA, I wonder how many potential buyers went next door.

I always had a look at the power tools but apart from the odd Hitachi and Panasonic it was the usual cheap buy anywhere tools being touted.

Not a particularly amazing business model ... copy someone else, but don't do is quite as well. Fail early is the obvious outcome.

It's always sad when a business of any sort fails as the collateral damage is always the little guys.

I do believe that Woolworths is greedy and evil .. all of the blame sits squarely at the head of Woolworths, nowhere else!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Toasta on May 19, 2016, 09:10 AM

Cheers for the heads up mate. Gonna go have a look see.

Been eyeing off a few things lately.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 19, 2016, 06:19 PM

Hi there

If you want 600mm and 1000mm Bessey clamps Masters stock them. The last time Carbatec had a sale on them Masters price matched it. They only stock the two sizes though, so get in before the whole lot is gone.

If you want 600mm and 1000mm Bessey clamps Masters stock them. The last time Carbatec had a sale on them Masters price matched it. They only stock the two sizes though, so get in before the whole lot is gone.

@Grakat Nope, over in Adelaide, near the Airport, it's only been open for about 18 months.Good point about the Bessey clamps, I'll check them out this weekend, I hope that any sale Masters have Is more encouraging than the Dick Smith's closure sale.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on May 19, 2016, 10:26 PM

Well, every computer has a universal power supply so I'm sure building universal motors should be doable but if you try to stick the transformer coils in a tool with high wattage you are introducing a lot of extra heat from the transformation and weight of the coils.

Yes, but what if Festool developed an 'intelligent motor' that could run on multiple power supplies due to chip control. This motor could consequently also deal with long extension cords and power fluctuations, particularly in remote areas or from portable generators.

Reiska, my ignorance beyond the basic physics of electrical conductivity gives me the advantage of challenging the preconceptions of those who really know. [smile]

I still think Kev is on to something here.

Best wishes.

The Mafell ones work with a Universal motor so 50 - 60 Hz.Yeah they cost more... I think my MT55 was the same price imported as the TS55 is internally.The trans were cheaper.And the p1cc a few $ more than a carvex, but most of the extras were included, just the angle base was an extra charge.And the Mirka was about the same as an ETS EC, or maybe a bit cheaper.I am not sure if the Mirka is "universal", but it is a DC brushless, so it would only be the xformer that matters.

If one is doing a 230v 50-Hz on US 220v-60Hz, then it matters if the motor is universal.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 20, 2016, 06:11 AM

Got to chase up the Festool shop tomorrow.

When I picked up the PS300 it was supposed to come with a special set of jigsaw blades as part of the sale. The jigsaw was in stock (got the last one at the premium dealer) but the blades are on back order.

You would think they would be in stock before the sale. The jigsaw is brilliant though. Very happy with it. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on May 20, 2016, 08:36 PM

When I picked up the PS300 it was supposed to come with a special set of jigsaw blades as part of the sale. The jigsaw was in stock (got the last one at the premium dealer) but the blades are on back order.

You would think they would be in stock before the sale. The jigsaw is brilliant though. Very happy with it. [big grin]

Don't think it works like that at Festool Aus, When I bought my TS 55 it was promoted to come with a free rail bag, three weeks later I got a call to say, "come and collect the rail bag", it might pay you to phone up first.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 22, 2016, 05:10 AM

Hi all

The wife chased up the blades on Saturday. There wasn't a code number assigned to them when I got the saw but there is a code now. Should have them this week. Big plug to the wife for chasing it up, she did it all on her own accord [big grin]

Been at the in laws stopping up their ceiling cracks. They were impressed when I was able to sand it all back with the ETS150/3 and due to the CT26 was able to get 100% dust extraction.

Now, anybody know where I can hire a Planex?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 22, 2016, 05:28 AM

The wife chased up the blades on Saturday. There wasn't a code number assigned to them when I got the saw but there is a code now. Should have them this week. Big plug to the wife for chasing it up, she did it all on her own accord [big grin]

Been at the in laws stopping up their ceiling cracks. They were impressed when I was able to sand it all back with the ETS150/3 and due to the CT26 was able to get 100% dust extraction.

Now, anybody know where I can hire a Planex?

@Grakat from me. First day hire is $2.5K though ... still interested? [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 22, 2016, 08:13 PM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 23, 2016, 06:09 AM

I agree Kev

The Planex and the Conturo I could never justify. I don't sand Gyprock for a living and whatever I need to edge band an iron will cover off nicely. I think a Vac Sys will be as abstract as I would likely to get in the Festool lineup.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 31, 2016, 06:24 AM

Hi there

Picked up the blades last weekend. To the dealers credit they were sitting on the counter waiting for me. They come in a small container which fits nicely into the Systainer.

Otherwise been finishing the shed of shame, a 6m x 3m garden shed to hold the stuff I want to get out of the garage. Then I can build my workshop.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on June 05, 2016, 02:58 AM

Hello All,

Hope none of you are being flooded out at this point in time.

Can anybody shed some light on the Centrotec Installers set. My initial search is showing it as NAIA (not available in Australia). Has anybody got one of these sets? Did you have to import it?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 05, 2016, 03:24 AM

I got one a few years ago locally. Tooltechnic Oz seems to be a bit random with the versions they offer. The kits seem to vary each year and there's been a couple of variants this year internationally.

They always seem to be spoken of as "limited editions". I think this was the last one offered in Oz: http://www.festool.com.au/Assembly-Wood-Package-Centrotec-Systainer-160-pieces

To be honest, with all of the Tanos storage flexibility available, Festool should be offering something a lot smarter and more modular is this space .. as a permanent line. If you really want one it could be worth a ring round the premium stores as it's a pricey item that someone could having laying about - otherwise it's Ebay or Amazon!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on June 05, 2016, 04:04 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: jobsworth on June 05, 2016, 11:29 AM

He's getting a message from a hottie with jabba the huts figure and personality right now. She has him pretty greased up. Sadly Kev didn't hire me. I guess it was because the bikini panties I was auditioning in had a print of Barney the Dino on the back.

No accounting for taste huh?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on June 05, 2016, 12:13 PM

He's getting a message from a hottie with jabba the huts figure and personality right now. She has him pretty greased up. Sadly Kev didn't hire me. I guess it was because the bikini panties I was auditioning in had a print of Barney the Dino on the back.

No accounting for taste huh?

Jobby, it was between you and Elle MacPherson ... but you were wearing the nicer outfit. Sorry mate.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: jobsworth on June 05, 2016, 03:20 PM

Story of my life close but no cigar, it has to be politics thats it How you you pick Ellie over me in a bikini with barney on my butt?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...rain/floods
Post by: Grakat on June 07, 2016, 05:28 AM

Yes it's a promo not a sale. Is there an ETA on the HK85. Wonder what that puppy will set us back. Price of a small car perhaps?

Built a clamp rack on the weekend, used the PS300 a fair bit. It cut like a hot knife through butter, I love that jigsaw.

@Grakat realistically the HK85 should be less than the TS75. In the UK TS75 / HK85 price ratio is 646.80 / 570.00 (1.1347) .. so hoping for sanity from Tooltechnic here, you'd expect a price of $1,195.00 AUD. That'd probably put the grooving unit at about $1,000 also.

If they're reading this .. I'd be attracted by a HK85 combo set with the FSK670 rail, 670 rail bag and grooving unit for a tasty price round $2K [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Robert James Ross on July 04, 2016, 09:21 AM

So is the HK85 coming to Australia because I need to buy a new skill saw

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 04, 2016, 09:22 AM

They will knock $5 off the Sysrock just for you Kev, or put it in as a deal with the HK85 and the grooving attachment.

I'm going to guess, just because it's TTS the price fixing gurus that the HK85 will be 95% of the TS75, out of the Systainer. It will exceed the TS75 in the systainer, and the grooving kit will blow it out of the world [big grin]

Maybe a sander in a Sys2 sort 1 systainer, be it an ETS or a Rotex (I would do it, and would buy it if it was the Rotex).

Seperate forecast. HK85 with 420 rail and a systainer.....$1399.00 Lets see how close we can get.

Last guess, $100 off if you buy everything with a CT.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Robert James Ross on July 27, 2016, 09:57 AM

If anybody has a CXS body that want to get rid of drop me a line. I have the batteries, charger,chucks and systainer but need a replacement body after knocking mine into the water of a marina yesterday, when talking to my supplier today when I went to buy my new PDC 18 they reckon TTS won't sell just the body and I waste enough money on stuff I don't need from festool as it is.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 27, 2016, 11:02 AM

If anybody has a CXS body that want to get rid of drop me a line. I have the batteries, charger,chucks and systainer but need a replacement body after knocking mine into the water of a marina yesterday, when talking to my supplier today when I went to buy my new PDC 18 they reckon TTS won't sell just the body and I waste enough money on stuff I don't need from festool as it is.

Send your old one in for a repair quote .. With any luck you could get a pleasant surprise.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on July 28, 2016, 05:45 AM

If he managed to get it back. From where I sit he's deep sixed it. [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 30, 2016, 05:23 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 30, 2016, 05:13 PM

@Untidy Shop ... YAY ... the Domino connectors are up too http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/201827 , etc ... but I don't see a set in a systainer ...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 30, 2016, 05:21 PM

Humph [sad] Why are they only bundling the HK85 with a 420 rail .. don't they realise I already have one [mad]

We'll see if they'll do a swap for the difference of the 670 over the 420 ($330 v's $290)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 30, 2016, 06:16 PM

I was glad to see the HK55 at tool only, was only a fraction over what I anticipated. I thought $550. However looking at the specs, the HK85 may be better suited to my needs. [eek] Think I might keep saving rather than compromise. Nearly there!

Did I not read that the 85 was better suited to the 670 rail due to the practicality of the larger blade size when compared to the 55? If true why not have the 670 in a rail package?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on July 30, 2016, 06:32 PM

I was glad to see the HK55 at tool only, was only a fraction over what I anticipated. I thought $550. However looking at the specs, the HK85 may be better suited to my needs. [eek] Think I might keep saving rather than compromise. Nearly there!

Did I not read that the 85 was better suited to the 670 rail due to the practicality of the larger blade size when compared to the 55? If true why not have the 670 in a rail package?

I've got a HKC55, so obviously I'll be going for the HK85. There's a big weight difference per the specs!

Seems we're getting the MFT fastening system at a reasonable price http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/201311

Yah .. the Sys-Rock ... BOOOO!!!! [mad] bring on v2 with DAB !!!

Deffo no systainer set for the knock down Domino connectors - that's poor form in my books! [sad] Do I really have to ship one in???

So, no real surprises, just the stuff we spoke of ... apart from the 5m sleeved hose, which I thought I'd picked up, but sadly I had rushed out and got the 3.5m [embarassed] [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 01, 2016, 01:02 AM

Gregory Machinery appears to be clearing out a few Protool items .. you can get some Centrotec stuff cheaper if you're interested ...

https://www.gregmach.com/product-tag/specials/

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 02, 2016, 05:58 AM

I agree with @Kev the clamping units is a good starting point particularly for anybody who has picked up an MFT.

From what I have read the HKC55 with 420 rail and the HK85 by itself looks like an option. My current cordless circular saw is a Ryobi, the 140mm blade certainly makes some cuts challenging.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on August 03, 2016, 06:49 AM

So I got a price on a 4x8 (1229x2440) sheet of birch looking melamine MDF.What does it go for in the big smoke? 357 $AU /sheet seemed a bit high ??

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 03, 2016, 07:06 AM

Ouch. Is it gold plated?

I don't 100% know the price of a sheet but $357.00 is ridiculous in my books.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on August 03, 2016, 07:20 AM

Last year I needed a piece of Laminex coated MDF to colour match a kitchen door replacement and was quoted over $300 for a sheet, and they couldn't match the edgebanding. It only came in 2400 x 1200 and I couldn't find any local cabinet maker that had any offcuts.

Finished up making new doors and drawers in solid hardwood, it worked out cheaper but did take longer.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on August 03, 2016, 07:42 AM

Thanks @Bohdan , maybe I will see how much the wood veneered stuff costs and edge band it with real wood...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Robert James Ross on August 03, 2016, 08:16 AM

Last year I needed a piece of Laminex coated MDF to colour match a kitchen door replacement and was quoted over $300 for a sheet, and they couldn't match the edgebanding. It only came in 2400 x 1200 and I couldn't find any local cabinet maker that had any offcuts.

Finished up making new doors and drawers in solid hardwood, it worked out cheaper but did take longer.

Laminex is a rip off the guy at the merchants that I picked a couple of sheets up from even told me to buy formica as it is exactly the same but you pay extra for the laminex name!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on August 03, 2016, 09:26 PM

Hi all,

What is the state of cordless 18g brad nailers in AU? I see Milwaukee has one but not in AU? The Dewalt one is pretty old tech and hard to find? Senco doesn't sell the 18g in AU, correct? Or is it really a trip down to Bunnings for a Ryobi? Will be used for woodworking and not pro/fulltime use. However have no probs paying for quality... after all I'm on a Festool forum! ;)

Or is it cool to buy skin only overseas (UK) and battery and charger here in AU?

Cheers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 03, 2016, 10:20 PM

Hi there,

The Milwaukee one is being released in AU, I saw it at the Timber and Working with Wood show in Sydney. The DeWalt seems popular.

I have some One+ stuff here, the tools work ok, the downsides has usually been with the batteries. The earlier batteries were rubbish, but the latest offerings in Li Ion have been better. For occasional hobby work it could be an option.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on August 04, 2016, 03:54 AM

Yeah thinking Ryobi One system brad nailer. As they have a stapler as well which might come in handy one day. So having some of their batteries might be good.

Cheers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on August 04, 2016, 10:12 PM

Yeah thinking Ryobi One system brad nailer. As they have a stapler as well which might come in handy one day. So having some of their batteries might be good.

Cheers.

Best to check if you are happy with the price of the Ryobi One batteries, as I think Bunnings is the exclusive supplier of these and can set the prices as they see fit. [eek] I don't have any of the power tools, but have 3 tools in the gardening series that are Ryobi One, and when I had to replace a battery recently I seriously contemplated selling the tools and going petrol or buying complete Ozito tool and battery kits.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on August 05, 2016, 04:22 AM

Yeah just got the Ryobi brad. So will see how the battery goes.

Cheers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 05, 2016, 05:36 AM

[/quote]

Best to check if you are happy with the price of the Ryobi One batteries, as I think Bunnings is the exclusive supplier of these and can set the prices as they see fit. [eek] I don't have any of the power tools, but have 3 tools in the gardening series that are Ryobi One, and when I had to replace a battery recently I seriously contemplated selling the tools and going petrol or buying complete Ozito tool and battery kits.[/quote]

I haven't bothered with the garden range as I am a fan of petrol for outdoor jobs. The Ryobi outdoor tools are very hard on the batteries so I haven't seen the point of going down that path. However the indoor tools have been ok, but not brilliant.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 05, 2016, 06:03 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 06, 2016, 01:42 AM

Hello All

As discussed above made my first foray into the HK family today with the HKC55. It is on back order as the local premium dealer didn't have the set in stock and I didn't want a few batteries chucked in a basic set systainer (where they no doubt have no homes in the mouldings). Probably pick it up during the week.

Now I can retire my poor old Ryobi with the 140mm blade [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 06, 2016, 06:14 PM

FYI for everybody the Milwaukee cordless nailer comes out in October. I saw this thing being run at the show, it is quite fast.

@thylaxene Good luck with the Ryobi, I am interested in how it goes. I don't yet have a cordless nailer, but one would be a lot easier than running out the compressor.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: thylaxene on August 06, 2016, 07:54 PM

After looking at a youtube video I was convinced (for me) the Ryobi was a good choice over the Milwaukee, not withstanding the price difference. So far, not at all disappointed with it. Except buying the 16g and not the smaller 18g one. Quick trip back to Bunnings for a swap and all good. Why the 18g over the 16g it can shoot smaller brads. Which in woodworking is pretty important.

Cheers.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 09, 2016, 07:43 AM

Hello All,

I think that one of the batteries is defective. I got the HKC with two batteries and got the third one free, however one is showing a fault on the charger. Might have to take one back and change it.

Also found the splinter guard doesn't want to stick that well. It is already attached to the FSK rail. Is the splinter guard normally attached on the FSK rail?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 21, 2016, 02:42 AM

Hello all

FYI Masters are having a big sale, cleaned up in the fastenings section as they were selling most of their fastenings for 50% off. Picked up a few sizes of Dyna bolts in the boxes, bolts, and screws in various sizes.

I'm not 100% certain when it finishes.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: benwheeler on August 21, 2016, 02:44 PM

Thanks for the heads-up!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 22, 2016, 12:21 AM

Hello again

The Masters sale ends this Wednesday. FYI they are good fasteners, the Stainless bolts I got were Bremick. They don't look like they came from the Dong Shing #1 screw factory [big grin]

The Masters sale ends this Wednesday. FYI they are good fasteners, the Stainless bolts I got were Bremick. They don't look like they came from the Dong Shing #1 screw factory [big grin]

No @Grakat , the Masters Sale just continues with their closing down sale. Anyone living close to any Masters Store in the vicinity of the Northern Beaches better get there before 'you know who' gets to the tool and builders hardware departments. [smile]

I just reposted what I read on the bottom of the brochure they had in store. Although as you said it's going to get interesting up to 11th December.

Bessey clamps and assorted bits and pieces will suit me. Hand tools hopefully will be cheap.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mike B on August 30, 2016, 08:43 PM

Went in yesterday and bought as many Bessey cast iron F clamps as I could afford. Even before the discount they were cheaper than anywhere else (a Masters rarity sadly).

It's still only 10% off, but considering I watched a guy come in after me and spend easily over $3500 on every last Bessey F clamp they had (and eye-off my shopping trolley full) I don't think they'll last to any deeper discounts.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on August 31, 2016, 06:37 AM

Went in and got 12 1000mm and 12 600mm Bessey K series, had to go into 3 stores though. Had been planning to get a few, but my bonus appeared sooner then i thought.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 31, 2016, 06:55 AM

I've just dismantled my clamp rack as I put these and the rest of my tools and toys into temporary storage. Not rushing out and buying a bevy of Bessey clamps is doing my head in [embarassed] [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 31, 2016, 08:43 PM

I only want 2 x 1000mm clamps and then the set is complete. I hope they are some left in Sydney at the rate you lot seem to be buying them up. :-\

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on September 01, 2016, 03:11 AM

I've got 4x each of 7 different size k's and 2 size quicks .. then everything else is just lots of "stuff". These things can be expensive outside of promotions when you plan a project and recognise a need - but crystal balling your clamp needs is pretty hard [embarassed]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on September 01, 2016, 03:20 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies.../the end of Aussie Ford V8s and the iconic straight 6.
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 26, 2016, 07:31 AM

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My late father worked as a maintenance carpenter in that plant for around 15 years until 1975 when he retired. This plants other claim to fame and historical fact of note is that it built the worlds first ever Ute pre WW11.

Expected end, but still a sad day.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies.../the end of Aussie Ford V8s and the iconic straight 6.
Post by: Kev on September 26, 2016, 09:14 AM

My late father worked as a maintenance carpenter in that plant for around 15 years until 1975 when he retired. This plants other claim to fame and historical fact of note is that it built the worlds first ever Ute pre WW11.

Expected end, but still a sad day.

If Australia was clever, the government would bootstrap something creative in solar/electric road trains, transport (self drive) ... but our government hasn't got enough creativity to create a new toilet brush [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 27, 2016, 05:21 AM

I see from Facebook, Festool Australia is hiring -Festool Australia is hiring – seeking an experienced and passionate Marketing Communications Specialist. Is this you? See link for details. http://ow.ly/LZTo304ynMk

[blink] [tongue]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: SRSemenza on September 27, 2016, 10:24 AM

The Last V8. Makes me think of MadMax!

Seth

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...AFL Final
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 01, 2016, 03:13 AM

Australian Football League Grand FinalYeh the DoggiesGrand Final Winners, AFL 2016.

First Grand Final Win by Footscray since 1954.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on October 11, 2016, 02:50 AM

Curious how we'll go on the next Festool price hike. I'm betting the price out of Germany will be bumped up for everything to offset their US giveaway spree. I don't begrudge people getting a deal, but I'll be extremely angry if it's funded by other markets. Plus Oz being a "poor cousin" and not a Festool direct business makes us further vulnerable (and then there's the local price fixing).

Haven't seen a decent "special" from Festool Oz in a long time [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 11, 2016, 04:09 AM

Curious how we'll go on the next Festool price hike. I'm betting the price out of Germany will be bumped up for everything to offset their US giveaway spree. I don't begrudge people getting a deal, but I'll be extremely angry if it's funded by other markets. Plus Oz being a "poor cousin" and not a Festool direct business makes us further vulnerable (and then there's the local price fixing).

Haven't seen a decent "special" from Festool Oz in a long time [sad]

Well @Kev, it appears that this model sander is a '110V Special' expressly for the NA market.

Many companies cross subsidise their markets. Look at international drug companies, or the way Apple or Google operate here. Sure I would not be happy if FESTOOL subsidised this NA initiative from its other markets, but I suspect this is a Festool US initiative playing to that market.

In the visitors comments on Festool Aust Facebook Page there is this -Currently this machine is a USA 110v machine and is not available in other countries at this time. This machine is not compatible with the AU 240v circuits so can not be used in Australia. Once we have further information we will advise.

So are they hinting on FB that the US model is indeed a 'special' (as in cheapie); or are they deliberately ignoring the 240 V version available in U.K [not available in other countries at this time]?https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Pages/Product-Competence.aspx?foc=online_exzenterschleifer

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Xoncention on October 11, 2016, 10:56 AM

Curious how we'll go on the next Festool price hike. I'm betting the price out of Germany will be bumped up for everything to offset their US giveaway spree. I don't begrudge people getting a deal, but I'll be extremely angry if it's funded by other markets. Plus Oz being a "poor cousin" and not a Festool direct business makes us further vulnerable (and then there's the local price fixing).

Haven't seen a decent "special" from Festool Oz in a long time [sad]

Festool paid millions to register a 3 year deal to price fix their products in Australia so there is no discounting between dealers permitted. Besides paying the "Australia Tax" that all multinational companies seem fit to lumber us with, they then pull the wool over the eyes of the regulators and say that this is for "service and warrantee" purposes... >:(

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 11, 2016, 05:13 PM

Yes @Xoncention and remember that this 'Service and Warranty' offered here is not equal in customer benefit to that offered in NA and the UK.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on October 12, 2016, 04:21 AM

Agree 100% with what you are saying.

Only thing I found funny was people jumping to defend TTS and their practice. Have a look at the FB page and read the reviews. I love the tools but hate the practices, as do the rest of us here.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on November 23, 2016, 04:13 AM

Hello again,

I wonder what is on sale in the next round of promotions. It's not really a discount but anything in our favour I will take.

Last round I got the FS3000 rail for the sale price. Hopefully the routers will be up for sale this time.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on November 23, 2016, 08:24 AM

I just hope they don't bump the prices horrifically!

Though there's only a handful of things from Festool I still want .. once we've moved I'll be looking to some of the bigger stuff. I may even shock some people and let a few Festool things go [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on November 24, 2016, 12:22 AM

Went out to run an errand in the ute.The ol barstard would not even click.

I checked the lights... (The were off)Went to pop the bonnet and it was already cracked open.Looked inside... And no battery.

Call the Coppers to see if they wanted to know....Question #6, "Did you see them take it?"Answer #7, "If I did I would be calling about assault and battery, but I am only calling about the battery."

Luckily I had not yet loaded up the ute.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on November 27, 2016, 10:28 PM

This is what's wrong with the world ... the thieves are lower that scum. Take the entire car and you'd notice, steal your battery and you wouldn't know - but you could be in a life threatening emergency [mad] [mad] [mad] I mean, just leave the bonnet up or something [sad]

The perfect future for people like this is becoming fertiliser.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on November 28, 2016, 03:32 AM

This is what's wrong with the world ... the thieves are lower that scum. Take the entire car and you'd notice, steal your battery and you wouldn't know - but you could be in a life threatening emergency [mad] [mad] [mad] I mean, just leave the bonnet up or something [sad]

The perfect future for people like this is becoming fertiliser.

When I was in the Navy we had a special way of dealing with thieves aboard ship. If caught we would smash their hand in a watertight door and then run them in (report them). Needless to say we've didn't have any theft issues at sea.

It's Christmas guys. Really, no promotion catalogue this quarter, no competitions, no deals and no give aways - like a shirt/tape measure with every significant sale, 2 for 1 batts etc. let alone the 12 Days of Christmas Comp as in the U.K.

All you can come up with is a Systainer Christmas Tree on Face Book.! 😱😱😱

And then there is the Fein debarcle!http://festoolownersgroup.com/general-friendly-chat/'festool-plug-it'-news-from-fein-australia/msg488516/#msg488516

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 14, 2016, 07:13 AM

@Pykie ask @David Stanton where he got his .. he's reviewed one on his YouTube channel davesbuildtips.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Pykie on December 14, 2016, 07:42 PM

I noticed that he said they only sell the compressed air version in Aus.

I may try and get a 110v one and get a step down transformer. I don't like using them normally, because of the added cables but this will be stationary in a shop

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Pykie on December 15, 2016, 01:55 AM

Carbatec said there's a compliance issue with the plug selling them in Australia, no time on when it will be resolved

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 20, 2016, 06:13 AM

Festool Aust put this image on their Facebook Page. Is this another marketing blunder! [eek] That's 5400mm of unclamped/insufficiantly supported skirting board about to be cut in half. And spot the DeWalt products in view.

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So far 18 likes.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on December 21, 2016, 08:07 PM

Hi there

I commented on that post, mentioning what was going to happen once the saw broke through the cut. Some other person has commented that they have special clamps that can hold a 3.6m piece of skirting up once it is cut. Bit hard to believe myself. :-\

Yes agree with the De Walt stuff in the scene.....Ooops!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on December 22, 2016, 03:29 AM

I don't do FB, but I doubt I'm missing out on much by the look of that photo, And the lack of Festool promo's down here. Yep, 16g cordless De Walt nailer, nice bit of kit and quite light with one of the smaller batteries installed. Do you think there might be a New year deal in the making, to make up for the lack of anything this Christmas.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 22, 2016, 10:34 AM

@DB10 new year deal? Nah! Just keep your fingers crossed they keep their price hike modest. It would seem Tooltechnic are focused on becoming "Fein fellows" presently.

Obviously Anton knows what he is doing. He is a quality high end Australian Furniture Maker.

But is this a safe or accurate practice for the novice or inexperienced? Should such a practice be published by Festool as a public marketing exercise?

Your thoughts?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on December 27, 2016, 04:56 AM

Using two sanders at once....It's probably not too dangerous but I can't see why it would be highlighted by the Australian importer of Festool. As a marketing excercise its novel but may send the message that Festool sanders aren't very powerful / effective - You need two to get the job done!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 27, 2016, 06:20 AM

What next? Two rail saw cuts at once?

In my eyes this is very stupid and promoting it is extremely irresponsible. Maybe the guy feels he progresses faster this way but all it really shows me is that one Festool sander doesn't meet his needs.

Epic Fail !!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on December 27, 2016, 10:10 AM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on December 27, 2016, 07:41 PM

I didn't really get the point of that video at all. If fact I would think that his work quality would actually reduce. Is he really focussing on both those sanders and how they are sanding. If he wanted to sand faster, shouldn't he just grab a Rotex.

So he is actually using the wrong tool for the job.........and they are promoting it.

Their pockets are their primary concern ... after all that's why they're in business. They probably didn't like the idea of someone's injury hurting their bottom line [wink]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on December 27, 2016, 11:21 PM

Lets see what their next creation will be. Maybe some bloke in singlet, stubbies, and thongs juggling HKC55s with the triggers cable tied in the on position. Or the same with OF2200's [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on December 28, 2016, 02:51 AM

'One for the Aussies' started with a discussion about Carbatec offering a 10% discount. Well on Boxing Day I bought 4 Bessey K Body 800mm clamps and received a 20% discount. (Storewide *10% off + another 10% for buying 4 or more)Really pleased as I didn't have any 800mm. Good promo Carbatec.

* unfortunately a few brands were excluded. say no more!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Xoncention on December 28, 2016, 04:09 AM

'One for the Aussies' started with a discussion about Carbatec offering a 10% discount. Well on Boxing Day I bought 4 Bessey K Body 800mm clamps and received a 20% discount. (Storewide *10% off + another 10% for buying 4 or more)Really pleased as I didn't have any 800mm. Good promo Carbatec.

* unfortunately a few brands were excluded. say no more!

That same discount was also available through Carbatec in the lead up to Christmas. It is good that they repeated this for Boxing day. I have enough clamps for the moment, so I resisted the temptation :-)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on December 28, 2016, 06:51 PM

I didn't see the Christmas special. It's good to see Carbatec are running a few more sales recently.

Just received an email from my Festool dealer that confirms the annual Jan 1 Price Rises for Australia.

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And to quote the email -2016 is nearly at an end & Festool Australia is the only Tool Supplier to have a Price Rise on the 1st Day of the 2017 Year. All prices will change on 2nd January 2017, so get in quick to secure a 2016 prices. Full . . . . . .

http://preview.mailerlite.com/s3t3p7/527670167191161893/k0a5/

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on December 28, 2016, 08:03 PM

Wonder how much?

Then around April there will be a sale......with the prices on select equipment at 2016 prices.

I thought they had to get approval from their mates at the ACCC to increase prices under their price fixing deal. With the letters that the ACCC have received from us about TTTS not meeting their obligations under the price fixing deal the price increase should have been refused.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on December 28, 2016, 09:18 PM

Yeh .. another price rise as an "annual event". Just like Christmas - only difference is it's Christmas for Tooltechnic and screw the Australian Festool buyers.

There's very few additional Festool products I would want and probably only the Conturo would be something I'd consider. Once I've settled "up north" I'll sell the stuff I rationally don't need and start to look for a good way to source Festool from Europe (I won't feel guilty either as I don't have any soft spots for Festool dealers in QLD and certainly not for Tooltechnic).

Who knows, I may even get as radical as @Holmz when it comes to sourcing tools [big grin]

All said though, if I did get a Conturo I'd probably relent and buy it locally as it's one tool that could have warranty issues that'd be very expensive to get fixed with a return Europe trip overhead [sad]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 28, 2016, 10:06 PM

Then around April there will be a sale......with the prices on select equipment at 2016 prices.

I thought they had to get approval from their mates at the ACCC to increase prices under their price fixing deal. With the letters that the ACCC have received from us about TTTS not meeting their obligations under the price fixing deal the price increase should have been refused.

@GrakatWe wish! [big grin] Tooltechnic Aust have approval to fix the price so Dealers can not discount. They do not have to get ACCC aproval to increase those prices. [mad]___________________

Yes @Untidy Shop we're still looking for a local importer of the Chernobyl Holstein cattle breed ... I believe we could successfully use them for milk, beef and to power the micro reactor on the farm [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on December 28, 2016, 10:30 PM

Yes @Untidy Shop we're still looking for a local importer of the Chernobyl Holstein cattle breed ... I believe we could successfully use them for milk, beef and to power the micro reactor on the farm [big grin]

@KevFestool Milk; a new perspective on 'drinking the Kool Aid'. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on December 28, 2016, 10:44 PM

Whilst the ACCC Determination Document of 38 pages is at times clouded in legal speak, the actual Determination Clause on page 33 states -

Conduct for which the ACCC grants authorisation162. The ACCC grants conditional authorisation A91433 to Tooltechnic to amend its agreements with its Festool dealers to include a requirement for resellers to not sell any Festool product below a price(s) nominated by Tooltechnic, until31 December 2018.

Overall increases are 'moderate to high''; for example the HK55/FSK420 deal was A$810.00. That's roughly an 8% increase. So the yearly creep in prices continues, and within a market in which many other brands have decreased their prices through competition.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Rollin22Petes on January 01, 2017, 10:47 PM

Although we still have a couple months here in the US before our annual price increase. In my opinion these once a year increases are getting out of control regardless of any economic factors Festool goes up. Seems to me if you want to attract new customers this is not the way to did it. I like most of my Festool gear but some of it is not that much better than some other brands that sell at a fraction of the cost.

Overall increases are 'moderate to high''; for example the HK55/FSK420 deal was A$810.00. That's roughly an 8% increase. So the yearly creep in prices continues, and within a market in which many other brands have decreased their prices through competition.

Tooltechnic are driving Australians to source their gear from overseas ... Tools from Europe and accessories from the US will probably be much more common. Shipping consolidation services make a lot of sense and will only become more popular.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 02, 2017, 02:41 AM

Yes I saw those prices. RO150 went from $999 to $1049, and the C18 basic went from $399 to $410

There is only one way to reverse this trend. Don't buy the tools from TTS. :-\

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 02, 2017, 03:01 AM

Re RO150 @Grakat , you are right re new price. I had quoted the cardboard box delivery, rather than the model with Systainer.

In December 2014, a dealer discounted RO150 with Systainer was A$890. Now it is $1049. That's a A$159 increase in two years!http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/a-question-on-price-increases-and-newer-models/msg358733/#msg358733

Overall increases are 'moderate to high''; for example the HK55/FSK420 deal was A$810.00. That's roughly an 8% increase. So the yearly creep in prices continues, and within a market in which many other brands have decreased their prices through competition.

@Untidy Shop You are right, as a matter of interest I was checking the prices on some of my Metabo 2015 tool purchases and comparing them to the current 2017 prices. In 2015 I paid $489 for my KGS 216 LTX cordless mitre saw (skin) today the same saw can be bought for $299. That's a massive drop in price. The same story with some of my Milwaukee purchases which have also seen prices go down.Festool in Australia are doing a great job of pricing themselves out of the market.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... New Releases!
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 03, 2017, 06:11 AM

Well with the Down Under price rises on Jan 1; today, Jan 3, there were some new tools released.

KS 60RTS400DTS400 and ETS 125 new modelsETS-EC 125/3

And this time some, such as the KS60, before NA. [big grin]

Details - http://www.festool.com.au

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... New Releases!
Post by: Pykie on January 03, 2017, 05:24 PM

The "set" version goes $1,350 and add $899 for the stand and you're looking at $2,249 ... the price for the blades is massively OTT.

Amusing that they've smashed the price on the Vecturo ... I'm guessing they haven't been flying out the door!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 04, 2017, 04:14 PM

Hi there

I also agree about the KS60. I think it would be very useful, but I would like to let it get established for a bit first, particularly since every second person seems to have motor issues with the larger Kapex saws.

It would definitely be more compact than my Makita LS1013, which weighs a ton esp with the stand base fitted to it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 05, 2017, 12:58 AM

Well we have had the price rise, now comes the promotion. We had no promotion catalogue in the last 1/4 of 2016, but the Jan - March, 2017 has been released.

The Catalogue celebrates the release of the KS60 with a promotion price on saw/stand combination. And there are considerable sander 'discounts' particularly on the ETS150/3/5s with discounts of A$139 which nearly brings them back to the price I paid over ten years ago! [eek]

The three main router models are also discounted, in this case by A$100 each., and yes @Kev with discounts over A$300 on the Vecturo range, there is room for sales speculation. Fein anyone ; or even a Blue Boch, DeWalt or AEG!

But it is great to to see some real discounting at last; no matter what the reason. [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

Yes it's an interesting promotion. The Routers and the ETS sanders are the stand outs for this one. I have the ETS150/3 sander, would consider the 5mm but was going to cover that off with the Rotex.

I have a cheap Ryobi multi tool, which can't cut custard. Is the Festool Vecturo any better? Can anyone shed any insight?

All going well, will pick up the OF1400 this time around. Decisions decisions :-\

I've got a Vecturo and Fein (plus a Dremel, but the less said about that the better). I literally fell into a cordless Dewalt multi and the stupid yellow thing has become my "go to" multi. I won it on Ebay when hunting for 2x 2AH batteries and it was huge surprise to me how good it was ... it doesn't have the "Euro finish", but the ergonomics are good and is smooth and quite gutsy.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Pykie on January 05, 2017, 08:22 PM

Looks like Vijays Power Tools (897 Botany Rd, Rosebery NSW) is clearing out Festool. The Gumtree ad says they will not entertain queries over the phone, but I gave them a call anyway and he was happy to tell me if he had a specific item in store. He wouldn't disclose any prices over the phone but said it was better than RRP.

They aren't open on weekends, and close at 4:30pm so it pretty much rules out any chance I have of getting down to have a look.

If you're in the area you might want to check it out. If you're going to check it out and willing to do me a favour, then could you get me the prices on the right angle attachment for the PDC Drill (Product Number 769097)? And maybe any quick clamps?

Looks like Vijays Power Tools (897 Botany Rd, Rosebery NSW) is clearing out Festool. The Gumtree ad says they will not entertain queries over the phone, but I gave them a call anyway and he was happy to tell me if he had a specific item in store. He wouldn't disclose any prices over the phone but said it was better than RRP . . . . . . . . . . . .

'Tooltechnic is also likely to face pressure from its dealers if it sets the minimum resale price too high, because dealers will not be able to sell the product at that price. Although dealers will be guaranteed a margin on the product, it is unlikely to be attractive if the dealers are unable to sell the product. Market inquiries indicate that dealers stock a wide range of brands, of which Tooltechnic is one of the smaller suppliers whose brands are less commonly stocked, indicating that dealers have bargaining power to determine whether to stock Festool products. Market inquiries also suggest that dealers often prefer stocking mass market power tool brands such as Makita to stocking higher-priced, low volume brands. Should Tooltechnic raise the prices of Festool products to an extent which causes significant customer switching, dealers are likely to become more reluctant to stock Festool products.'Australian Competition and Consumer Commission Paragraph 92, Page 15, Determination Application for authorisation A91433 lodged by Tooltechnic Systems (Aust) Pty Ltd in respect of resale price maintenance Date: 5 December 2014 Authorisation number: A91433Read the paragraph above and like me then wonder what might be behind this dealers decision to stop selling Festool. Could it be the January 1 price rises?! [eek]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on January 16, 2017, 08:50 AM

Well we have had the price rise, now comes the promotion. We had no promotion catalogue in the last 1/4 of 2016, but the Jan - March, 2017 has been released.

The Catalogue celebrates the release of the KS60 with a promotion price on saw/stand combination. And there are considerable sander 'discounts' particularly on the ETS150/3/5s with discounts of A$139 which nearly brings them back to the price I paid over ten years ago! [eek]

The three main router models are also discounted, in this case by A$100 each., and yes @Kev with discounts over A$300 on the Vecturo range, there is room for sales speculation. Fein anyone ; or even a Blue Boch, DeWalt or AEG!

But it is great to to see some real discounting at last; no matter what the reason. [thumbs up] [thumbs up]

$300 Is a massive drop in price on the over priced Vecturo, but I can't help thinking that this new price will just encourage people who purchased one before Christmas to return it under the 30 day rule and re purchase it again at the new price. At least at the current price the Vecturo is now more competitive with Fein.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on January 25, 2017, 08:42 PM

I have to agree with the comments above. If TTTS price themselves too high their dealer base will walk away, which I am surprised is not happening already since they compete with their own dealers online anyway. I must admit my local Festool dealer seem to be a bit light on for tools on the shelf, even though they are a premium dealer, and are supposed to be stocking everything.

Hope you all are having a great Australia Day.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...Australia Day
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 26, 2017, 06:30 AM

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AUSTRALIA DAY

Hope the Aussie Foggers had an enjoyable day.Ms Untidy and I travelled to the 'big smoke' for to see an exhibition by a living iconic Australian Artist.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Trosey on January 26, 2017, 09:44 AM

Untidy,

Is that a yellow Australian kangaroo embryo?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on January 26, 2017, 04:46 PM

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: LooseSox on February 22, 2017, 03:56 AM

The issue with that is there are already 2 distributors for veritas in Oz, carbatec and the wood works. My main job is sales, I can guarantee veritas won't be shipping dogs only to another party down here.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Parfitt on February 22, 2017, 04:17 AM

The issue with that is there are already 2 distributors for veritas in Oz, carbatec and the wood works. My main job is sales, I can guarantee veritas won't be shipping dogs only to another party down here.

Sounds to me that one or both of those should consider stocking the PGS.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 22, 2017, 05:14 AM

The issue with that is there are already 2 distributors for veritas in Oz, carbatec and the wood works. My main job is sales, I can guarantee veritas won't be shipping dogs only to another party down here.

Sounds to me that one or both of those should consider stocking the PGS.

Peter

As for one mentioned.

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I would try The Wood Works http://www.thewoodworks.com.auOrhttp://www.cwsonline.com.au

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Parfitt on February 22, 2017, 05:30 AM

I will let Axminster do all of this.

Looks like the apple harvest has been good this year !

Cheers.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on February 22, 2017, 06:31 AM

I was wondering if anyone could recommend a place I could buy some soft close drawer slides with an extension of 900mm?

It looks like 750mm is the longest I can seem to find, and anything longer is heavy duty without a soft close mechanism.

It's used for some drawers under a bed to be filled with clothes, so I don't think it will be very heavy.

I guess the alternative is to go with heavy duty (to get the extension required) and then spend even more money to put a separate soft close mechanism on it?

Ideas appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Parfitt on February 24, 2017, 01:48 AM

I built our bed many years ago and have put 4 deep drawers on each side. There were no slides available and so they just run on wooden battens which are made of hard wood (beech in my case) and were waxed when installed.

They work perfectly despite being packed with all sorts.

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Bohdan on February 24, 2017, 03:26 AM

I just put the drawer on wheels.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on February 26, 2017, 08:50 PM

Thanks for the ideas!

Those drawers are going to be pretty large (990 wide x 900 deep x 200 high) and won't be on the ground.

In the attached picture you can see the 2 carcasses under the bed, each holding 2 drawers.

Well the Airstream 6.2Ah batteries are available on the rest of the planet ... but here we go again with Tooltechnic supply retardedness!!!

Anyone want to place a bet on when we'll see the 6.2Ah's on the shelves locally? .. I'm going to go with November [mad]

Which year though?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on March 07, 2017, 03:15 AM

I've got a UK trip coming up soon, might pay me to bring a couple back with me, I take it that you can charge them up with the older style charger, but how long will they take to charge fully charge, anyone hazard a guess?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on March 07, 2017, 03:21 AM

I've got a UK trip coming up soon, might pay me to bring a couple back with me, I take it that you can charge them up with the older style charger, but how long will they take to charge fully charge, anyone hazard a guess?

Careful on a plane - hit and miss with significant batteries through security .. but yes, the standard charger will just be slower than the airstream charger.

I'm guessing the guts is pretty much the same as the Metabo batteries (that were available here yonks ago).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on March 07, 2017, 06:37 AM

I've got a UK trip coming up soon, might pay me to bring a couple back with me, I take it that you can charge them up with the older style charger, but how long will they take to charge fully charge, anyone hazard a guess?

Careful on a plane - hit and miss with significant batteries through security .. but yes, the standard charger will just be slower than the airstream charger.

I'm guessing the guts is pretty much the same as the Metabo batteries (that were available here yonks ago).

Good point @Kev I'll check with the airline beforehand. I was thinking a couple of 6.2 airstream batteries for the TSC would be perfect.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 02, 2017, 09:31 PM

Why does one get multiple customer satisfaction surveys when multiple items are purchased within one transaction? I gave my dealer 9/10 by the way. 😀😀

Does this happen elsewhere in other Festool markets? @TylerC@Phil Beckley I suspect it might because the emails have Festool Aus as CC, implying the sender is Festool HQ.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: TylerC on April 02, 2017, 09:33 PM

I have followed this up with Festool Aus via FB and Messanger. Apparently my dealer registered my recent purchases separately, rather than collectively which is an option on the Australian Festool Reg. Web Page. Aus Foggers may wish to follow up this with their dealer if making multiple purchases within one transaction.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies. RIP John Clarke..
Post by: Untidy Shop on April 10, 2017, 08:17 AM

https://youtu.be/M_3T-Af57Pg

RIP John Clarke

Australian political satire has lost one of it's Masters. Thursday nights at 6.50pm on ABC will be rather empty now.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on April 14, 2017, 05:48 AM

Just spent half the day sanding a Camphor Laurel bench I have laminated up. Wishing I had purchased the 5mm orbit ETS while it was on special, the 3mm is going to take forever [big grin]

Happy Easter.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Parfitt on April 14, 2017, 06:07 AM

I'll save you a click though, the only things on offer are free Sys 1 Box ($130) with any new "featured" tool purchase, and a discount on a couple of the Quadrill electric drills.

I seriously don't know why they bother....

I totally agree, why do they bother!!!

I am in the market to buy the DF700 and would have thought by now they could have offered the 2 domino assortments thrown in as well. Emailed their national sales manager earlier this year on why it is taking 9 months to get a set of MFS rails, got a reply saying my email was important to them and they will get back to me shortly. Never did get the reply and after waiting another month cancelled the order.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on May 02, 2017, 05:26 AM

$619 for the Duradrive Basic ... Oh dear - MASSIVE FAIL!

Fan gear ... Does anyone really want to pay to advertise for these people?

TXS / CXS price hike - thanks for that.

Crap Sys 1 BOX bonuses - like we done have them coming out of our ears.

On the back of some really terrible promotional offers this must be the all time worst. EPIC FAIL!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 02, 2017, 06:05 AM

Have to agree mate that really isn't a promotional flyer at all. More like a catalogue excerpt. It's only a month long too, hopefully there are some other stuff that goes on special next time around.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: LooseSox on May 02, 2017, 07:29 AM

Hmmm, I've only had festool gear for a few months now but after my dealings with their service/inquiries I think I'll just stick to Bosch for future purchases. To top it all off, I work part time at a festool dealer too! Got to the point with the amount of time required to sort out an issue with one of my purchases, I ended up contacting them again with "you have until the days end to provide a satisfactory outcome or I'll just give myself a new one off the shelf and send you the credit note" :o

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on May 03, 2017, 03:10 AM

So did they come to the party or did you have to send the credit note?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Terry Fogarty on May 03, 2017, 03:21 AM

Hmmm, I've only had festool gear for a few months now but after my dealings with their service/inquiries I think I'll just stick to Bosch for future purchases. To top it all off, I work part time at a festool dealer too! Got to the point with the amount of time required to sort out an issue with one of my purchases, I ended up contacting them again with "you have until the days end to provide a satisfactory outcome or I'll just give myself a new one off the shelf and send you the credit note" :o

It isn't really anything to do with the dealer as such, as I said, I work part time for the dealer I bought the gear from. The issue I had is that in my main job (sales manager for a company that does more trade in a week than Festool Aust. will do in a year), an issue with a premium product, especially when purchased by someone re-selling my product, would have been addressed in about 3 seconds flat.

I emailed festool direct, identified myself as working for one of their dealers, highlighting the issue with a detailed description and photos. They even commended me on such a detailed report of the issue and said someone from customer service will call me back by days end. By the end of the week I'd heard nothing, away on holidays for 2 weeks and still nothing. 2 days after I returned with still no reply via phone or email I rang them up and made my feelings known.

Basically the issue was that 2 parts were supplied in the kit I bought, and 1 was faulty. Replacements are only sold as a twin pack so they were really confused as to how they were going to fix it, heaven forbid if they gave me a new twin pack and I ended up with 3 instead of 2. I said how about you open a pack up, courier me out 1 and use the other 1 in their training courses? To me that screams common sense, to them I may was well have cured cancer as they were blown away by such a simple solution! Really guys?!?

Now I'd let something like that slide if dealing with straight up retail plebs at the refund counter at Bunnings or Miter 10, but from a dedicated customer service team at the top end of the power tool game, I expect more.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on May 03, 2017, 07:19 AM

@LooseSoxWell as one who works part time for one of the Hardware chains you mentioned, you actually would get your money back/replacement in most circumstances. The average Australian household with two adults will spend A$150,000 on hardware/home improvement products in each adults lifetime. We have been instructed not to upset them over trivia. In fact don't upset them at all!😇 But sometimes ' . . . . ' happens. 😱😱😇

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: LooseSox on May 03, 2017, 07:34 AM

This is very true! Good and bad staff everywhere I guess? My local green shed needs less of 'good morning, how are you' from EVERYONE you walk past, and more of someone that knows the difference between a phillips and a flat head screw driver!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on May 03, 2017, 08:15 AM

After having spent the past 3 months trying to get my money back from them for goods that were never delivered. Sent them many emails and left messages on their answer machine as no one ever picked up the phone. I certainly would not recommend them and will stick with JT in South Melb.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Terry Fogarty on May 03, 2017, 08:18 AM

After having spent the past 3 months trying to get my money back from them for goods that were never delivered. Sent them many emails and left messages on their answer machine as no one ever picked up the phone. I certainly would not recommend them and will stick with JT in South Melb.

According to FB, Festool Aust are saying Batt Sanders are due down here in early 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia/posts/1940833289463621:0

Amazing isn't ... faster to travel to Australia as a convict 200 years ago. We really have fallen to the bottom rung when it comes to new products and product updates. Warranty is the only reason to buy local and it's sad that you'd need to worry a lot about warranty with a premium brand tool!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... Aust Release of Batt Sanders.
Post by: Holmz on July 22, 2017, 05:50 PM

According to FB, Festool Aust are saying Batt Sanders are due down here in early 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/festoolaustralia/posts/1940833289463621:0

Amazing isn't ... faster to travel to Australia as a convict 200 years ago. We really have fallen to the bottom rung when it comes to new products and product updates. Warranty is the only reason to buy local and it's sad that you'd need to worry a lot about warranty with a premium brand tool!

I am not sure if the proper term is disgraceful or $-Haus...

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 22, 2017, 07:33 PM

Remember @Kev and @Holmz that Festool Aust is not; well it's not just Festool. So as Festool expands its international presence they obviously find it more difficult to support the product release schedules, via an 'agent' [eek], that we enjoyed in the distant past!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Michael1960 on July 23, 2017, 06:41 PM

Mr_ Mod I have sent a PM re buying a DF700 + the 8/10 and 12/14 accessories.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on July 30, 2017, 06:55 AM

Hope you all are keeping well.

@Kev the battery sanders aren't really on the radar for me. The selling point of Festool is supposed to be dust extraction via the CT range. They all require 230v. So it's a bit dumb to have a cordless sander that should be used with a corded CT.

Only a few more things to go and my needs will be largely met anyway.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Peter Parfitt on July 30, 2017, 07:24 AM

@Kev the battery sanders aren't really on the radar for me. The selling point of Festool is supposed to be dust extraction via the CT range. They all require 230v. So it's a bit dumb to have a cordless sander that should be used with a corded CT.

Only a few more things to go and my needs will be largely met anyway.

Hi Graham

You may be missing the point with the cordless sanders. I must confess that I had wondered why have a cordless sander but I have completely changed my mind. Have you tried them yet?

They do give you complete freedom from the power cord and the vacuum hose. Dust collection is pretty good despite that. Imagine working overhead or certainly above shoulder height for extended periods - say when working on the house. The weight reduction by having no hose or power lead has an immediate effect and will reduce fatigue by quite a margin. I had to nip out to do a quick sanding job on a piece of furniture that I had made for someone and would have managed with just one of these but had to take a CT along as well.

You can connect them to an extractor and also have them powered from the mains which gives even greater flexibility.

There is no loss of performance due to them being a cordless tool. I tried them all recently in Germany and would recommend that everyone should try one or all three out before making a judgement.

I am thinking of ordering an TSO Products GRS-16 PE, but before I order I thought I would check to see if anyone near Sydney wants to partner up and we could take advantage of the combination set that comes with both (https://tsoproducts.com/tso-products-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-and-grs-16-pe-guide-rail-square-combination-set/)?

As the posted price of the combination is $USD320, then the GRS-16 (non-PE) would drop to $USD150 posted.

I am thinking of ordering an TSO Products GRS-16 PE, but before I order I thought I would check to see if anyone near Sydney wants to partner up and we could take advantage of the combination set that comes with both (https://tsoproducts.com/tso-products-guide-rail-squares/grs-16-and-grs-16-pe-guide-rail-square-combination-set/)?

As the posted price of the combination is $USD320, then the GRS-16 (non-PE) would drop to $USD150 posted.

Please PM me if interested.

Cheers!

PM sent. [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on July 31, 2017, 06:25 AM

I will have a look at them. I accept your point about working overhead with a sander as I have been doing this with an ETS150/3 so understand about the weight. I didn't know the cordless sanders could take AC power, that would make them more versatile.

In that instance I would probably target the delta or small orbital machine for doing trim work. The random orbit I would stay with my current corded offering.

@Kev the battery sanders aren't really on the radar for me. The selling point of Festool is supposed to be dust extraction via the CT range. They all require 230v. So it's a bit dumb to have a cordless sander that should be used with a corded CT.

Only a few more things to go and my needs will be largely met anyway.

Hi Graham

You may be missing the point with the cordless sanders. I must confess that I had wondered why have a cordless sander but I have completely changed my mind. Have you tried them yet?

They do give you complete freedom from the power cord and the vacuum hose. Dust collection is pretty good despite that. Imagine working overhead or certainly above shoulder height for extended periods - say when working on the house. The weight reduction by having no hose or power lead has an immediate effect and will reduce fatigue by quite a margin. I had to nip out to do a quick sanding job on a piece of furniture that I had made for someone and would have managed with just one of these but had to take a CT along as well.

You can connect them to an extractor and also have them powered from the mains which gives even greater flexibility.

There is no loss of performance due to them being a cordless tool. I tried them all recently in Germany and would recommend that everyone should try one or all three out before making a judgement.

Here is a clip, not available to the general public:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJMXLkySQAI

Peter

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on August 07, 2017, 03:35 AM

New Festool Aust. Promotion Catalog is out, featuring new Sword Saw and rail discounts. I thought the Sword Saw had already been released here? I am pretty sure @Kev has one!?

Nothing in there in the Cat, that 'rocked my socks'.

Pity those new battery sanders are not here yet! Next year apparently! [eek]

Mine's the Protool version. Exactly the same but orange where there's green. Had it ages!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 07, 2017, 08:10 AM

Hi there.

Just had a look. Sword saw is new, there's $100 off the OF1400 which is on my list. Otherwise will wait for the next offering.

I think TTS will be seeking to renew their price fixing arrangement soon. It's either Aug 17 or Aug 18.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 08, 2017, 09:42 AM

The fact that Festool Australia's pricing these days irritates the snot out of me is no secret. Can't believe they're saying $199 is a "special" price for the old sortainers ... and I bet everyone is rushing out to buy a $95 "Y" hose connector!

It's as if they've given up trying to offer a real promotion and these promotional brochures are just a "going through the motions" thing.

When you can fund a quick visit to Europe with the savings you could make on a handful of Festool items you really have to ask if the fear of no local warranty is enough to keep you buying locally.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: LooseSox on August 08, 2017, 04:36 PM

Anyone know a decent dealer in Melbourne they would be able to do me a deal?

Spoke to a few I've bought from before and some ruled it out.

I own a HKC55 and it's an absolute ripper, changed the way I do a lot of things.

It's prompted me to pull the trigger the the HK75.

I'm wanting to do a deal with a different size track, as I already have the 420, my preference would be the smaller one, as I have other tracks from my TS to use on sheet goods.

I may even buy 3 x 1050 tracks in the same order.

Good luck with that. I work weekends at a dealer in Adelaide, there are no 'deals' to be done on festool pricing. Doesn't matter if you want 1 sander, or a saw extractor 3 rails and 2 routers in the one order, the price is the price. We aren't even allowed to take the 1400mm rail out of a ts pack and swap it for say the 1080mm or 1900mm rail and adjust the price accordingly as seems common in the USA. I recently put through a huge order for a customer that was in to the 5 figured mark on various tools. I had to put the festool stuff through on a separate invoice just incase festool thought I was offering a deal on their stuff by discounting the other stuff. Yes, they do periodically audit dealer invoices on their products!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on August 08, 2017, 08:45 PM

The fact that Festool Australia's pricing these days irritates the snot out of me is no secret. Can't believe they're saying $199 is a "special" price for the old sortainers ... and I bet everyone is rushing out to buy a $95 "Y" hose connector!

It's as if they've given up trying to offer a real promotion and these promotional brochures are just a "going through the motions" thing.

When you can fund a quick visit to Europe with the savings you could make on a handful of Festool items you really have to ask if the fear of no local warranty is enough to keep you buying locally.

@Kev For me it was a no brainer, I bought my domino 500 in the UK rather than in Aus and saved just under $700 Aus by doing so. This is a crazy price difference, more than the price of an ETS 150 sander in Aus. My domino was registered automatically by the UK tool shop at my parents house in the UK, so if it does go wrong I can ship it both ways back to the UK for less than $100, only down side I see is I could be without the tool for probably longer if It does need repairing but in saying that the last tool I sent back to Festool Australia for repair ended up taking a six weeks due to their total incompetence.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on August 10, 2017, 04:18 AM

The fact that Festool Australia's pricing these days irritates the snot out of me is no secret. Can't believe they're saying $199 is a "special" price for the old sortainers ... and I bet everyone is rushing out to buy a $95 "Y" hose connector!

It's as if they've given up trying to offer a real promotion and these promotional brochures are just a "going through the motions" thing.

When you can fund a quick visit to Europe with the savings you could make on a handful of Festool items you really have to ask if the fear of no local warranty is enough to keep you buying locally.

@Kev For me it was a no brainer, I bought my domino 500 in the UK rather than in Aus and saved just under $700 Aus by doing so. This is a crazy price difference, more than the price of an ETS 150 sander in Aus. My domino was registered automatically by the UK tool shop at my parents house in the UK, so if it does go wrong I can ship it both ways back to the UK for less than $100, only down side I see is I could be without the tool for probably longer if It does need repairing but in saying that the last tool I sent back to Festool Australia for repair ended up taking a six weeks due to their total incompetence.

The incompetence is not total.My vacuum got fixed.(But it did arrive 3-4 weeks late as they shipped it to another state.)

My Domino 700 was ~$1000 less overseas. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to understand the cost.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: DB10 on August 10, 2017, 06:59 AM

@Holmz I guess your right the incompetence isn't total as they did manage to fix my TSC 55 it's just a shame in my case that dispatch didn't know where South Australia was. So that's two Dominos that Festool Aus didn't sell, I'm just glad now that I have almost all I need from Festool. Years ago I was going to buy an MFT work bench but couldn't justify the cost back then, I think the complete table was around $900, today the complete table costs $1300. Looks like I'll be making do with my own version for the conceivable future.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on August 10, 2017, 07:53 AM

In their defence they probably did not believe that they use power tools in SA with the power grid... [eek] [wink] [embarassed] [crying]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on August 22, 2017, 12:15 PM

Seeing the US prices for the new hybrid sanders is making me very curious.

Madam Zelda tells me that there'll be a lot of angst over US v's UK pricing ... further she predicts that most of the hybrids coming to Australia will be via the postal service!!!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on August 26, 2017, 07:10 AM

In their defence they probably did not believe that they use power tools in SA with the power grid... [eek] [wink] [embarassed] [crying]

They probably have to drive to VIC to charge them [big grin]

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on September 08, 2017, 04:22 AM

Any Aussies seen the new Australian Lamb Industry Ad? Talk bout taking the . . . . .! But still acknowledging Australia's general inclusiveness.

https://youtu.be/f8kuoFGgj8s

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on October 10, 2017, 04:12 PM

Hello All,

I can't remember which insurance company it was, but it had a green logo. There is a TV advert for business insurance where the featured business was a cabinetmaking/joinery business. For the keen of eye Festool was plugged quite heavily.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Holmz on October 10, 2017, 04:17 PM

I can't remember which insurance company it was, but it had a green logo. There is a TV advert for business insurance where the featured business was a cabinetmaking/joinery business. For the keen of eye Festool was plugged quite heavily.

Sounds like Laura Mclusker (or something like that in Tassy) I saw it over the weekend I think.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on October 20, 2017, 06:36 AM

I have work for the RO150 and am hoping it comes up on promo. Call me a cheapskate but if its $100 off then that's money in my pocket. It and the OF1400 are the two items on the need to have list.

As a hobbyist I'm not losing money while I wait.

Don't hold your breath....

What about a second hand &/or private import purchase? They're generally a very reliable tool, with serviceable parts easily replaced. You could potentially save yourself a motzah, even including high postage costs. A 220/240v machine originating from the UK or continental Europe can typically be picked up for around half the local new price.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on December 01, 2017, 03:32 AM

Interesting that level of discount on many items is no longer listed. Just - 'Save at $2700'. Many other items appear to have no discount. Intro promotion on new Hybrid Sanders looks to be the real promotion.

Interesting that level of discount on many items is no longer listed. Just - 'Save at $2700'. Many other items appear to have no discount. Intro promotion on new Hybrid Sanders looks to be the real promotion.

http://ttsfestoolprods3.s3.amazonaws.com/festool/media/festool%20images/download%20files/campaign_brochure.pdf[/quoteYes it is interesting... Just wondering if they have reduced the prices of a few products (as opposed to a sale promotion)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on February 04, 2018, 12:43 AM

Hello All

Hope you all are well.

There's $100 off the RO 150. Combined with a gift card I got from work should make it a bit more palatable. Love it when my work subsidises my hobby. They did it big time on the Domino lol.

The ACCC has today informed me that Tooltechnic [Festool's Australian representative/distributor] has applied for renewel of their permission to engage in retail price maintenance.Some will know that in February 2016, some FOG members and I prepared a document proposing that this should not have been originally granted.

Despite their claims, since engageing in retail price maintenance, Tooltechnic have not provided the Australian Consumer with many of the benefits provided to Festool consumers in other countries. Eg. Tool insurance as in UK, and collection of tools needing warranty repair directly from the consumer rather than dealer.

However I am no longer in a position to coordinate or indeed directly participate in any response to Tootronic's new proposal. If any Australian FOG member wishes to PM me, I can provide you with copies of our last submission [minus the names of those who participated] and Tooltechnic's new proposal.

Please note that any submission is due to the ACCC by Feb 27th. [eek]

Stephen

-----------------Dear Sir/Madam

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (the ACCC) has received a notification from Tooltechnic Systems (Aust) Pty Ltd, which is proposing to engage in resale price maintenance (RPM) with regard to its Festool and Fein power tools.The ACCC invites you to comment on the arrangement.

A copy of the RPM notification and supporting submission is attached. A full copy of the RPM notification and its attachments will be available on the ACCC’s website tomorrow: www.accc.gov.au.

If you intend to provide a submission in relation to this RPM notification, please do so by 27 February 2018.

If you wish to discuss any aspect of this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me on (03) 9290 1835 or adjudication@accc.gov.au.

Regards,

Tess Macrae

Assistant Director | Adjudication | Merger and Authorisation ReviewAustralian Competition & Consumer CommissionLevel 17 | 2 Lonsdale Street Melbourne, VIC 3000 T: + 61 3 9290 1835www.accc.gov.auThe ACCC acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of Country throughout Australia and recognises their continuing connection to the land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures; and to their Elders past, present and future.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on February 20, 2018, 03:28 AM

I am happy to prepare and submit a submission to the ACCC in regards to retail price maintenance. If I can get a copy of the old submission that would be great. Also, if anyone has any specific examples where they believe that the service they received was not what was promised with RPM can you also send these through to me so they can be used as examples.

RegardsGraham

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 20, 2018, 04:43 AM

I am happy to prepare and submit a submission to the ACCC in regards to retail price maintenance. If I can get a copy of the old submission that would be great. Also, if anyone has any specific examples where they believe that the service they received was not what was promised with RPM can you also send these through to me so they can be used as examples.

I appreciate that you are able to do this, and will send you the relevant info. Can you PM me your email address?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: andy412 on February 20, 2018, 06:01 AM

is there any festool dealers in the UK or us that will ship to Australia?? feel free to pm me if you have any infoonly after a certain accessory that is crazy priced in aus but seems to be less than half in the uk, not after any actual tools.

cheers!

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: tdc on February 20, 2018, 08:27 AM

The Aussie distributor’s lack of customer support and blatant price gouging is why 90percent of my festool purchases have been online from overseas.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 20, 2018, 10:36 PM

Tooltechnics have applied to the ACCC to continue retail price maintenance.

If you were a signatory to a 2016 Consumer submission to the ACCC, I have sent you two emails just now. Please PM me with your new email adress if you have not received these emails.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: bryan1982 on February 21, 2018, 12:24 AM

I just rang Tess and spoke with her about my concerns.I encourage and aussie to do the same give her a call.

Cheers

Bryan

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on February 21, 2018, 08:53 PM

I just sent her an email:

Dear Ms Mcrae,

I am writing in response to a notifcation that Tooltechnic Systems has once again applied for Resale Price Maintenance for Festool products.

I believe the original was a trial, and that the ACCC would review the situation after that point. I have personally purchased quite a few Festool tools over the years, and was very disappointed to see the original granting of the fixed prices.

In my experience as a consumer it has:1) significantly decreased competition for the consumers - dealers have not been as motivated to serve the customer and "win the sale" with better prices than their competitors

2) Had not effect on offering better service

3) Been very detrimental to the sales of spare parts and consumerables - which you would expect should be exempt from such price fixing as by nature they do not require servicing

4) Let the distributor set whatever price they choose

5) Encouraged Australian consumers to purchase the same tools and accessories from overseas suppliers

Please do NOT grant the RPM agreement as it seems to just harm the consumer. Tooltechnic must be able to demonstrate in real quantifiable terms how their RPM has benefited the consumer and the industry over the period it has been in place, and unless they can do so then this agreement must not be allowed to continue.

Thankyou for hearing my submission,

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: eddomak on February 22, 2018, 09:42 PM

I just received a reply from ACCC to ask if I would be happy to have my submission uploaded and listed.

Meanwhile, I wonder if it might be useful for people to address the criteria that the Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) was issued under in the first place (which I quote below).

"In this case, the ACCC accepts that there is a market failure caused by the free riding of some Festool retailers. Free riding occurs where some retailers can gain the benefit of, or free ride on, the services offered by other retailers. This creates a risk that retailers who do offer pre- and post-sales services will not achieve a sufficient return on the sales of their products to continue to provide these retail services.

Given the highly differentiated nature of Festool products, the ACCC considers that resale price maintenance is likely to limit free riding by encouraging Festool retailers to offer better services to attract customers. This will allow some customers to make more informed decisions in purchasing trade quality power tools and to continue to have the choice of a premium trade quality power tool accompanied by a high level of post-sales services."

1) Highly differentiated product - yes, it is a higher standard, but as recent threads have commented, is there a massive difference between the Festool products and competitors recently that would require additional sales/service?

2) Making more informed decisions - see above on whether much more "information" is required over any other brand, that would sway you to Festool?

2) High level post-sale service - Is Festool / Tooltechnic post sale service any better than any other brand since the RPM was introduced?

Anyway, hope this gives you some things to mull over and perhaps something for ACCC to consider as well.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on February 23, 2018, 02:46 AM

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (the ACCC) has received a notification from Tooltechnic Systems (Aust) Pty Ltd, which is proposing to engage in resale price maintenance (RPM) with regard to its Festool and Fein power tools.The ACCC invites you to comment on the arrangement.

A copy of the RPM notification and supporting submission is attached. A full copy of the RPM notification and its attachments will be available on the ACCC’s website tomorrow: www.accc.gov.au.

If you intend to provide a submission in relation to this RPM notification, please do so by 27 February 2018.

If you wish to discuss any aspect of this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me on (03) 9290 1835 or adjudication@accc.gov.au.

Regards,

Tess Macrae

Assistant Director | Adjudication | Merger and Authorisation ReviewAustralian Competition & Consumer CommissionLevel 17 | 2 Lonsdale Street Melbourne, VIC 3000 T: + 61 3 9290 1835www.accc.gov.auThe ACCC acknowledges the traditional owners and custodians of Country throughout Australia and recognises their continuing connection to the land, sea and community. We pay our respects to them and their cultures; and to their Elders past, present and future.

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Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Kev on February 27, 2018, 03:41 AM

To all Aussie Festool (and other premium tool) buyers ...

Operating a business in Australia that imports high quality products from overseas and distributes them through a local retail network is NOT VIABLE.

The only way to make a profit from the model is to rape the local market on price and that's simply not ethical. I've experimented with a premium product (CADEX) and I was unable to land a product locally and offer it through a retailer and break even - let alone make a profit.

Part of the problem is the way the Australian government hits you on importing ... it'll always be cheaper to perform a one-off buy and use a service like Shipito to get by bad international shipping rates and "grey" limitations. The other part of the problem is the greedy expectation of the importer/distributor to make a fat profit.

Service and warranty are an issue for certain ... don't jump into a new product and buy it from OS on launch, wait till the dust settles.

... just my 2 cents ;)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: HarveyWildes on February 27, 2018, 09:43 AM

Part of the problem is the way the Australian government hits you on importing ...

Hi Kev - Normally tariffs are imposed to protect local production. Is the Australian government protecting any local companies with high tariffs on Festool or other power tool manufacturers? I tried to look online for power tool manufacturers in Australia, but could only find a list of companies who sell their power tools there. I know that there are some good hand tool companies because I have one or two of their items.

I can not speak highly enough of Just Tools, they are my dealer for in shop and on line sales. However as you live in Sydney you may want to consider a Sydney based dealer. Northern Abrasives has in the past received favourable comment here. Your choice of dealer is important, not only for product knowledge but because of any warranty issues.

Yes we are price gouged in Australia and we do not receive the level of after sales service enjoyed in NA and Europe. See elsware on this thread.

There are some great Festool tools such as the track saws, domino, the routers and most sanders. In some cases, such as heavy duty drills, look elsewhere at Metabo and Makita etc,.

Enjoy your new Festools.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on June 28, 2018, 12:06 AM

I can echo the sentiments above re Northern Abrasives, I too have heard good things about them.

In regards to purchasing Festool there is no difference in price between online sales and store sales, this is due to a "price fixing" deal that Tooltechnic systems have with the ACCC.

There is a benefit in forming a relationship with a premium festool retailer so that you can learn how best to use the tool. For some tools I would argue its not necessary, however other tools like the Domino certainly can benefit from some hands on training.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: dr.r.lam on June 28, 2018, 09:04 PM

Just received this Email from ACCC. FESTOOL Aust. Continues to have Retail Price Maintenance in Aust. [eek] [mad]"Good afternoon

The ACCC has decided not to take further action at this time in relation to Tooltechnic’s resale price maintenance notification for its Festool and Fein power tools lodged with the ACCC on 12 February 2018. This means that the legal protection afforded by Tooltechnic’s notification will continue and allows Tooltechnic to impose a minimum price for the retail sale of these tools.

Please refer to the ACCC’s Statement of Reasons and letter for further information.

Just received this Email from ACCC. FESTOOL Aust. Continues to have Retail Price Maintenance in Aust. [eek] [mad]The ACCC has decided not to take further action at this time in relation to Tooltechnic’s resale price maintenance notification for its Festool and Fein power tools lodged with the ACCC on 12 February 2018. This means that the legal protection afforded by Tooltechnic’s notification will continue and allows Tooltechnic to impose a minimum price for the retail sale of these tools.

Please refer to the ACCC’s Statement of Reasons and letter for further information.

All the supporting info here (https://www.accc.gov.au/public-registers/authorisations-and-notifications-registers/resale-price-maintenance-notifications-register/tooltechnic-systems-aust-pty-ltd-rpm20181) on the ACCC's page.

And the PDF with the reasons here (https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/public-registers/documents/RPM20181%20-%20Tooltechnic%20Systems%20%28Aust%29%20Pty%20Ltd%20-%20Statement%20of%20Reasons%20-%2025.07.18%20-%20PR.pdf)

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 25, 2018, 03:35 AM

For those in Victoria’s Geelong Region. Sydney Tools and consequently Festool are now available in Corio. Compared to some Melbourne dealers their stock is limited [to saws, dominos and routers]. Stock of sanders and drills and the range of accessories is disappointing.

None the less this is a welcome shop front opportunity for those living in Western Victoria.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: JimTom on July 25, 2018, 03:46 AM

Carba-Tec New Zealand used to have specials all the time, not anymore. Their prices seem to have gone up too, the only store in the country

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on July 25, 2018, 06:28 AM

I received the same e mail from the toothless dog they call the ACCC. Clearly Tooltechnic Systems have told a good story and managed to get RPM for another 3 years.

I noticed the bias in the ACCC documentation, there was not very much put forward in regards to our submissions as to why they shouldn't have retail price maintenance. In particular the shortcomings we raised were not addressed.

Might have a look at the next steps. Last time I tried the Commonwealth Ombudsman but that went nowhere.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Untidy Shop on July 25, 2018, 08:35 AM

I received the same e mail from the toothless dog they call the ACCC. Clearly Tooltechnic Systems have told a good story and managed to get RPM for another 3 years.

I noticed the bias in the ACCC documentation, there was not very much put forward in regards to our submissions as to why they shouldn't have retail price maintenance. In particular the shortcomings we raised were not addressed.

Might have a look at the next steps. Last time I tried the Commonwealth Ombudsman but that went nowhere.

I think the telling factor this time was the significant increase in numbers of dealers supporting continuance of the original Determination.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on July 26, 2018, 03:15 AM

Wonder how much influence was made in their decision. I know my local Festool dealer doesn't move a lot as I never see anyone in the section. Therefore I wonder how RPM is assisting these dealers to hit their sales targets.

One dealer in the submissions was dead against it, which was interesting.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on September 27, 2018, 07:14 PM

Hello All

Hope you all are well.

FYI I contacted TTS about the Cyclone separator and the MW1000 workstation. I have been advised that they are expected early next year down under. Pricing is unknown.

I am interested in both of these items in the future.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Mr_Mod on September 28, 2018, 05:33 AM

I ordered the cyclone separator a while ago, it shipped last Wednesday and landed in country Tuesday. Now need Auspost to deliver, paid 260 Euro plus postage of 45 Euro

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: Grakat on September 28, 2018, 08:26 PM

@Mr Mod

Will be interested to see how it performs after you test it.

Title: Re: One for the Aussies... October Fest
Post by: Untidy Shop on October 05, 2018, 02:03 AM

They bring their promos out on a cycle. Generally for a TS55 of OF1400 you'll save $100 or maybe get a blade. Whilst its not a lot I usually wait for the promos to come out on principle. If we didn't have RPM I would purchase as I would for anything else.

Currently looking for a tool supplier who does trade accounts, I want to get the RG130 and CT36 autoclean to use at work when we do floor repairs. Any recommendations?

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: dr.r.lam on December 14, 2018, 01:17 AM

Check out Northern Abrasives at Brookvale (Rod and Darren). They should look after you well, but I have no experience with trade accounts through them. Easiest to email them (info@NorthernAbrasives.com.au).

Title: Re: One for the Aussies...
Post by: LooseSox on December 14, 2018, 02:45 AM

No one will do trade discounts on Festool gear. The MRP applies across all customers and accounts. You'll get a 5% discount on a purchase above $6000. The only other way you'll get a discount is if you're a registered education facility.