Well it certainly would underscore the PC reference to maybe taking a step away from contending, in the short term. Would be frustrating to see a bunch of new needs open up on offense, when most have assumed the D is poised to get some serious help.

if you're referring to who I think you're referring to, ignore that source, and focus on Lane Adkins of OBR if you have insider.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

peeker643 wrote:Again, and not because I don't think Heckert did a decent job, but the point in a lot of this is that Heckert upgraded shit to, in many cases, a better quality of crap. He removed the tumors but left pneumonia or infection in many cases. The roster is better, I agree. Some of it markedly better as noted. But in many cases the improvement is marginal at best and there is the QB stuff that Pup noted.

I think you have to take that into consideration, as well as the moves they didn't make and the acquisition costs of what they obtained, before you can be too upset about Heckert.

I'd have been fine had Heckert stayed. I think he's caable and may have been somewhat limited because of the reporting structure (i.e.- Holmgren). But to put it into terms we use a lot, he's not 'elite'. Or at least he wasn't allowed to be and likely wouldn't have been allowed to be in this new regime either.

This sums it up so perfectly. Heckert gets credit for drafting a lot of guys who are now starting, but a lot of those guys would not be starting for us if we were good (TJ Ward for example). Also, he made some questionable FA decisions, like allowing serviceable players like Vickers and Mike Adams to leave (both have contributed to playoff teams since leaving - Adams as a starter on a top D), and then using valuable draft picks to try to fill those newly created voids (and failing). He also traded up TWICE for a RB, failing miserably on the first attempt and then getting hosed on the 2nd.

I liked the guy because he didn't completely suck like everybody else we've had since 99, but he was far from great.

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Honest question on Chip Kelly. Do we definitely know that he'll try to bring his "gimmick" offense to the NFL? I would hope that Kelly would understand that his gimmick's won't work in the pros (at least as a base offense), but I'm not so sure he would even try to replicate his Oregon offenses in the NFL.

I'm open to the hire just because he's not a football dinosaur still going over Bill Walsh tapes in his basement. The prospect of actually having a coach who is creative and thinks outside the box makes me excited.

neoleo wrote:Honest question on Chip Kelly. Do we definitely know that he'll try to bring his "gimmick" offense to the NFL? I would hope that Kelly would understand that his gimmick's won't work in the pros (at least as a base offense), but I'm not so sure he would even try to replicate his Oregon offenses in the NFL.

I'm open to the hire just because he's not a football dinosaur still going over Bill Walsh tapes in his basement. The prospect of actually having a coach who is creative and thinks outside the box makes me excited.

Everything I read about Chip says he is a football genius , and would have no issues adapting his style of play to the NFL. Or may come up with a totally new style of play no one has ever seen before. Many NFL coaches to include Bill Belechic have sought out his tutilege , and you are starting to see aspects of his Zone Read in teams like New England, Seattle , Washington, and Carolina.

My view is you can build dynasties in the NFL by being innovative. The copy-cats simply ride on the shirt tails.

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