I was looking on the ATF website for form ATF7CR to submit for a C&R license and was unable to find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction for the paperwork so I can get started? I'd like to just download and print them, but would be happy to submit for copies if need be.

Ive thought about the possibility of getting my C&R licence for about a year now, and I was wondering is it worth it for just a few guns? Im talking maybe two SKSs or a couple Mosin-Nagants. What do you guys/gals think?

I'd been thinking about getting a CRL for a few months now, and now I am underway! I figured that I can save the price that the license costs on my first purchase, then anything afterwards is just savings. Since its good for 3 years, I think its a good investment.

But I would also be very interested in any additional benefits, such as if they make gun-show purchases any easier...

They might, they might not. Depends on the dealer themselves. Some, even when presented with a copy of your FFL, will still demand that you fill out a 4473 and go through the NICS check (effectively treating the transaction as a "normal" one, ignoring your FFL). This can be ignorance on their part (not knowing it isn't needed) or just malice (not every 01 FFL likes us 03 holders, they'd prefer we pay their markup and profit rather than get the same deals they do).

Either way, you're still best off buying directly from distributors. That's where the gun show dealers and retail shops get their guns. You can pay the same price (say, $80 for a Mosin Nagant instead of $130-150 at a retail store) that they do, and you don't need to cover anybody's overhead.

I have the green sheet application, but have also gone on line and requested the forms. However, I have a friend that once had a C&R and he said that you need to be fingerprinted. I called the local BATFE office and asked if the fingerprints were part of the application. They said no. From your experience, what is the skinny?

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I have the green sheet application, but have also gone on line and requested the forms. However, I have a friend that once had a C&R and he said that you need to be fingerprinted. I called the local BATFE office and asked if the fingerprints were part of the application. They said no. From your experience, what is the skinny?

For the most part, they're one and the same. Classic Arms, AIM Surplus, Southern Ohio Gun, and more. They carry C&R stuff as well as other non C&R guns. While they may not be the full up distributors like those of new guns, they can carry a large selection of used guns (like police turn ins).

I have the green sheet application, but have also gone on line and requested the forms. However, I have a friend that once had a C&R and he said that you need to be fingerprinted. I called the local BATFE office and asked if the fingerprints were part of the application. They said no. From your experience, what is the skinny?

I recently got a C&R and fingerprints were not required.

FWIW the only confusing and somewhat odd aspect of the C&R application IMHO is that you're required to send notice to your local chief of law enforcement that you're applying for a C&R. However, this is notification only- they aren't required to approve the application or even to respond in any way. It's only a potential issue if you live in a state with a bunch of wonky licensing requirements like CA or MA. Send it certified mail so you get a delivery receipt for CYA purposes, then forget about it.

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But I would also be very interested in any additional benefits, such as if they make gun-show purchases any easier...

It really doesn't make any difference at gun shows. IMHO the other main benefit, besides mail ordering firearms, is that it makes you a "dealer" in the eyes of mail order supply houses like Midway USA and Brownells. You will get discounts on all sorts of stuff, including things that have nothing to do with collecting (range bags, bullets, tools, the whole 9 yards). Mine paid for itself in ~3 months just from this.

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FWIW the only confusing and somewhat odd aspect of the C&R application IMHO is that you're required to send notice to your local chief of law enforcement that you're applying for a C&R.

You also get to notify them each time you renew your license. I just send them a snail-mail letter stating I'm renewing. I even put "C&R FFL Renewal Notice" on the outside of the envelope so they can save time and chunk it in the trash without bothering to open it.

IMHO the other main benefit, besides mail ordering firearms, is that it makes you a "dealer"

So you can mail order them for yourself with a C&R license? Does this apply to the relics only, or can one with this license order any firearm for themselves?

Does one actually own the firearm that they order, or is it just like you ordered it as a store and have to keep your own Records on file for the ATF to inspect? What happens if your license expires and you have all these guns you ordered yourself?

You can buy only C&R firearms on your license. You own the guns. You must keep records while your license is valid and ATF may inspect them once per year. When your license lapses, you can do whatever you want with your records, keep them or destroy them.

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