Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

1) China hates themselves.2) France hates Africa.3) England hates Australia (also, WTF were they doing testing nuclear bombs on US soil?!).4) Russia hates themselves and they are idiots (why was not a single bomb tested out in Siberia or somewhere where there are no people? They only tested in western USSR which is where all their people are).5) The US really really hates the south west and Japan (after bombing them we figured they'd like us more if we decided to test nuclear bombs on them after WW2 aswell).

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

2000 tests? Where's that number coming from?

"If you are a racist I will attack you with the north"- Abraham Lincoln

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

2000 tests? Where's that number coming from?

Nevermind

"If you are a racist I will attack you with the north"- Abraham Lincoln

3) England hates Australia (also, WTF were they doing testing nuclear bombs on US soil?!).4) Russia hates themselves and they are idiots (why was not a single bomb tested out in Siberia or somewhere where there are no people? They only tested in western USSR which is where all their people are).5) The US really really hates the south west and Japan (after bombing them we figured they'd like us more if we decided to test nuclear bombs on them after WW2 aswell).

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

These tests were with miniscule weapons by today's standards. There's no way to test the effects without killing ourselves in the process. We could detonate bombs out in space, many times larger than the Tsar Bomba, but that wouldn't tell us what the effects are of incinerating an entire country in a nuclear exchange.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

These tests were with miniscule weapons by today's standards. There's no way to test the effects without killing ourselves in the process. We could detonate bombs out in space, many times larger than the Tsar Bomba, but that wouldn't tell us what the effects are of incinerating an entire country in a nuclear exchange.

Nuclear tests are not an example of what a nuclear war would lead to. None of the tests targeted people. In an actual war, most populated places would be obliterated. The remaining people would be either affected by severely powerful radiation, or they'd have no means of survival because everything around them would be affected.

On a side note, there are less nuclear bombs than before, and there are good missile shields. In the future, space laser systems might be used to shut down rockets. Who knows, nuclear bombs could be nearly useless.

At 11/25/2012 5:19:42 PM, RoyLatham wrote:The close from "Dr. Strangelove"

Love that movie, was originally supposed to be a serious film until he realized how absurd the entire situation was.

'Gee, I wish we had one of them Doomsday Machines'

Yeah I love that movie too, especially how the fact that it was originally intended to be serious caused it to become utterly pitch black when turned into a comedy, like the realistically shot combat scene where US soldiers fight each other outside the base thinking they're fighting the enemy.

In 1975, the Second Vietnam War began -1Historygenius

Like no wonder that indian dude rejected you.- Darkkermit to royalpaladin

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

These tests were with miniscule weapons by today's standards. There's no way to test the effects without killing ourselves in the process. We could detonate bombs out in space, many times larger than the Tsar Bomba, but that wouldn't tell us what the effects are of incinerating an entire country in a nuclear exchange.

The tsar bomba was a 50 megaton bomb (actually designed to be 100 megatons, but they scaled it down). 50 megatons is about 150 times more powerful than our current average.

Whoops I thought it was 300 megaton. At any rate, my point still stands - the amount of incineration that would follow a nuclear exchange would create enough smoke and soot to shorten growing seasons. And Since it would be cities getting destroyed, there would be lots of random pollutants in the air as well as nuclear fallout. It stands to reason there would be other unforeseen consequences.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

Also I wanted to make the point that the Tsar Bomba was 50 years ago. The only practical limit to how big we can make a bomb is it's weight. It is thought that we could deliver a 1.3 gigaton bomb using the strongest plane we have. If it doesn't need to be flown, who knows?

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

The Yucatan impact killed off 90% of Earth's species. I'm guessing that means everything larger than a bug.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

At 11/23/2012 12:58:42 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:Also, this should be viewed as proof that a nuclear war will not completely destroy the Earth, we've already survived 2,000+ tests, whats a few hundred more in a war?

These tests were with miniscule weapons by today's standards. There's no way to test the effects without killing ourselves in the process. We could detonate bombs out in space, many times larger than the Tsar Bomba, but that wouldn't tell us what the effects are of incinerating an entire country in a nuclear exchange.

The tsar bomba was a 50 megaton bomb (actually designed to be 100 megatons, but they scaled it down). 50 megatons is about 150 times more powerful than our current average.

Whoops I thought it was 300 megaton. At any rate, my point still stands - the amount of incineration that would follow a nuclear exchange would create enough smoke and soot to shorten growing seasons. And Since it would be cities getting destroyed, there would be lots of random pollutants in the air as well as nuclear fallout. It stands to reason there would be other unforeseen consequences.

Yes there would be far more death and there would be unseen consequences (normally because if we were bombing some country on the other side of the world, we simply wouldn't care about the consequences), but it wouldn't be some kind of the entire earth is going to go into a nuclear winter ice age, not unless all 30,000+ nuclear bombs went off (and really, all nation governments would be unable to function after the first few hundred nuclear bombs).