16 Things Libya Will Never See Again

There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.

Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.

If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.

If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.

A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

This is all well and good…. someone remind me of the reason for the overthrow?

Sam

This is all well and good…. someone remind me of the reason for the overthrow?

Jonmitten

Now they have percent.

Jonmitten

Now they have percent.

E.B. Wolf

That Qaddafi sure was a monster alright, and the global community sure is better now that they’re free from the massive security threat of a regime that once got its ass handed to it by a country named Chad.

E.B. Wolf

That Qaddafi sure was a monster alright, and the global community sure is safer now that they’re free from the massive security threat of a regime that once got its ass handed to it by a country named Chad.

It was an awesome project. Don’t know if this will keep going, unfortunately.

DeepCough

Take notice, other countries–you go socialist, you go the way of Qaddafi.

DeepCough

Take notice, other countries–you go socialist, you go the way of Qaddafi.

JaceD

Awgawd I come from one of the most socialist countries in the west!

Anarchy Pony

No, it’s: if you have important resources that the empire needs, and you try to be independent from us, we send in the jackals.

Anonymous

17. Their own airforce mowing down protesters.

dumbsaint

17. Their own airforce mowing down protesters.

Gaddafi might have signed off on some of the article’s list but I’m fairly sure it was the decent people working for the Libyan people as a whole who made them happen.

RequiemDogma

A mentionable part of the airforce just flew the hell off with their aircraft instead of doing that.
One guy even dropped his bombs on the airbase and crashed into the control tower if I remember correctly.

Yeah sure did you see it on CNN or Fox News both “reliable” news sources not!!!

Mark

People don’t attack there leaders and risk there lives when they are being taken care of. I don’t believe this.

Mark

People don’t attack there leaders and risk there lives when they are being taken care of. I don’t believe this.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2KUV3NZZH3MVMPCI7A77GCYDWM Erik G

Part of Khadafi’s measures were to appear to be sharing with his people, and violently punish anyone who did not follow the program. Libya’s people make an average of $12-15,000 dollars a year, and that would kind of suck, even with all the benefits above. He wasn’t sharing as much as the article above might insinuate, and had turned the financial assets of his country into a personal fortune: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-22/news/30309707_1_oil-rich-saudi-arabia-investments

The richest man in the world was hunted down into a drain tunnel, dragged out, tortured, allegedly sodomized, and killed. Legally. That is just mind blowing when you think about it. Also mind blowing; he was so arrogant he wasn’t willing to take a chunk of that money and go into exile.

Ignotas

12000-15000 dollars a year is average salary in most East European countries – new members of EU, so they alll must kill their own leaders????

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2KUV3NZZH3MVMPCI7A77GCYDWM Erik G

I don’t subscribe to the idea that they should have killed him. The videos and their acts are repulsive.

The idea that they sought freedom isn’t so crazy, though. The average salary is just one reason highlighting that the ’16 Things’ list has been put together to shill one point of view. Libya isn’t an East European country, it’s the richest African country – when you count Ghadafi’s fortune. Also, *ahem* East European countries might all choose to rise up and kill their leaders, if their leaders choose to launch attacks on them.

Their leaders would likely never do that to them though, so we will never know.

adrian

I suggest you travel more and see what most people really survive on in this world . Its much lower than 12-15000k a year. Almost half the world — over three billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.
22,000 children die everyday due to poverty. Im sorry but we americans are some of the most ignorant people on this planet. spoon fed our oppinions by news propaganda. REad this article and ask yourself, are we in libya to help people or for profits? Cause there are dozens of other countries were people need are help way more than Libya

There are people who lead and those﻿ who follow’. Bad leaders aren’t always the ONLY problem, just the massive group of idiots supporting them !!

what will it take for us to WAKE UP !!

adrian

I live in Central American, in my country most people make around 500 dollars a month. So 12-15000 a year is for someone who is educated. My wifes a engineer and she makes 1,200 a month

Thomacat

yeah , I smell a rat….

oldcoyote

Me too and it’s a kosher smell….

Rus Archer

people don’t attack their leaders or risk their lives when they’re NOT taken care of
they sign up with netflix

Ade @ Coffee2bsmelt

Well it’s nice to see you’re reading your mainstream media like a good little boy…

These men that attacked not only were registered traitors by more than one arab country they also are registered by several governments as Al-Qaeda Abdel Hakim Belhaj is a former commander, who until recently was boasting of shooting British and American troops AND has instigated a return to Sharia Law, the same Law that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda follow, but of course they would because both the organizations were formed and funded by the CIA and Obama’s puppet master Zbigniew Brzezinski

I’d google all that if I were you… Gaddafi was a cruel dictator but he is nothing to what Libya is going into

stevor

If you were one of the richest people in the world and everybody (supposedly) was trying to kill you, wouldn’t you make a fake “snuff film” of your death and release it and then take your film crew to some remote place to enjoy your BILLIONS? If you wouldn’t, you’ll probably believe bin Laden is dead, too.

Cerak2

Several American presidents were attacked AND KILLED ! Does it mean that ( according to your statement ) American people are not taken care of ?!

Ja123

This is disinfo.

Ja123

This is disinfo.

http://profiles.google.com/charles.kohler Charles Kohler

I wouldn’t be so sure. Have a look here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26562

Small_halfelf

thats a conspiracy site, still no evidence there.

http://www.SurvivingTheCircus.com/ BlogLady

Ummm, did you read their disclaimer at Global Research? Not only do they tell you they are inaccurate, they do so with inaccurate grammar. “The Centre for Research on Globalization will not be responsible for any inaccurate or incorrect in this article. ”

ReligionIsNonsense

Too bad their enforcing Sharia Law… INSANE!!!!!!!!

ReligionIsNonsense

Too bad their enforcing Sharia Law… INSANE!!!!!!!!

Craig

It sounds great, however where does this information come from? $2,300 US a month for medical or education abroad? it just doesn’t sound right.

Craig

It sounds great, however where does this information come from? $2,300 US a month for medical or education abroad? it just doesn’t sound right.

ReligionIsNonsense

Too bad their enforcing Sharia Law… INSANE!!!!!!!!

Craig

It sounds great, however where does this information come from? $2,300 US a month for medical or education abroad? it just doesn’t sound right.

http://profiles.google.com/charles.kohler Charles Kohler

I wouldn’t be so sure. Have a look here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26562

http://profiles.google.com/charles.kohler Charles Kohler

I wouldn’t be so sure. Have a look here -> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26562

nonamenoface

They didn’t give Ghadafi the privilege of a fair trial. The intelligence community followed him very closely, let him get away for some time and then they sent the dogs on him. If he were to stand trial western media would have had their faces buried in work trying to suppress all the valid points he would have made.

nonamenoface

They didn’t give Ghadafi the privilege of a fair trial. The intelligence community followed him very closely, let him get away for some time and then they sent the dogs on him. If he were to stand trial western media would have had their faces buried in work trying to suppress all the valid points he would have made.

Steve

Yes, and the rest of the countries of the BIG Brothers look as if they do not know how to take care of business?! I am sorry for the Libian people…Maybe if Khadafi did not rub his success too much “they” would have left him alone… Who knows…Maybe the oil shipping routs along Northern Africa has alot to do with the African deomcracy mednes,,,?

http://twitter.com/jasonpaulhayes jasonpaulhayes

17. Muammar Gaddafi

Steve

Yes, and the rest of the countries of the BIG Brothers look as if they do not know how to take care of business?! I am sorry for the Libian people…Maybe if Khadafi did not rub his success too much “they” would have left him alone… Who knows…Maybe the oil shipping routs along Northern Africa has alot to do with the African deomcracy mednes,,,?

jasonpaulhayes

17. Muammar Gaddafi

Anonymous

A mentionable part of the airforce just flew the hell off with their aircraft instead of doing that.
One guy even dropped his bombs on the airbase and crashed into the control tower if I remember correctly.

Blah

Yes, a source would be nice. Otherwise it’s just a wikipedia article.

Blah

Yes, a source would be nice. Otherwise it’s just a wikipedia article.

http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

Hey! Wikipedia is my alma mater, bitch!

Reptoids

The whole NATO intervention reeks of neoliberal opportunism. They appropriated a revolt of the people, using the dissatisfaction of the Libyan people to mow down a pretty socialist society and turn it into the thing any libertarian gets off to.

Reptoids

The whole NATO intervention reeks of neoliberal opportunism. They appropriated a revolt of the people, using the dissatisfaction of the Libyan people to mow down a pretty socialist society and turn it into the thing any libertarian gets off to.

Reptoids

The whole NATO intervention reeks of neoliberal opportunism. They appropriated a revolt of the people, using the dissatisfaction of the Libyan people to mow down a pretty socialist society and turn it into the thing any libertarian gets off to.

number 1 thing you wont see in Libya? Their own army eradicating anyone who dared to think for themselves and dares to be free.

Crypticnexus

number 1 thing you wont see in Libya? Their own army eradicating anyone who dared to think for themselves and dares to be free.

Crypticnexus

number 1 thing you wont see in Libya? Their own army eradicating anyone who dared to think for themselves and dares to be free.

Crypticnexus

number 1 thing you wont see in Libya? Their own army eradicating anyone who dared to think for themselves and dares to be free.

Anon

Yeah, now it’s just unruly mobs mowing down any dissenters.

Big difference.

http://www.facebook.com/elpolloloco52 Josh Adkisson

Hey! Wikipedia is my alma mater, bitch!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2KUV3NZZH3MVMPCI7A77GCYDWM Erik G

Part of Khadafi’s measures were to appear to be sharing with his people, and violently punish anyone who did not follow the program. Libya’s people make an average of $12-15,000 dollars a year, and that would kind of suck, even with all the benefits above. He wasn’t sharing as much as the article above might insinuate, and had turned the financial assets of his country into a personal fortune: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-22/news/30309707_1_oil-rich-saudi-arabia-investments

The richest man in the world was hunted down into a drain tunnel, dragged out, tortured, allegedly sodomized, and killed. Legally. That is just mind blowing when you think about it. Also mind blowing; he was so arrogant he wasn’t willing to take a chunk of that money and go into exile.

Grammarnatzi

They’re and their and there are NOT the same.

Grammarnatzi

They’re and their and there are NOT the same.

Whoops

Libya has $6,386,000,000 in external debt (rank 99 out of 201 – not bad).
However it also has a public debt of 3.3% of GDP (rank 133 of 133), the lowest of ANY country on record. (highest being zimbabwe at 234%, Japan following at 197%).

This is according to CIA factbook, take it however you like…lots of interesting stats there to look at.

Libya has $6,386,000,000 in external debt (rank 99 out of 201 – not bad).
However it also has a public debt of 3.3% of GDP (rank 133 of 133), the lowest of ANY country on record. (highest being zimbabwe at 234%, Japan following at 197%).

This is according to CIA factbook, take it however you like…lots of interesting stats there to look at.

By the way, interesting fact. Libya had $99,840,000,000 in currency reserves (rank 20). Compare that to the US 132,400,000,000 (rank 17)

With China at #1 with $ 2,876,000,000,000.

That…is how much money the gov ACTUALLY has. LOL.

Whoops

By the way, interesting fact. Libya had $99,840,000,000 in currency reserves (rank 20). Compare that to the US 132,400,000,000 (rank 17)

With China at #1 with $ 2,876,000,000,000.

That…is how much money the gov ACTUALLY has. LOL.

http://www.facebook.com/TheJakeyl Jacob Newton

You don’t believe it because you are dumb. Rothschild bankers already sent the IMF to Libya so they can get their dirty banks in the country and no it wasn’t Libyans, it was mercenaries from the UAE and QATAR, armed by QATAR, and basically hand walked in by NATO. Between July 1st and the end of August, there were demonstrations in all major Libyan cities, on July 1st alone 1.7 million Libyans came out, there is video taken of all these that the Western media never shows.

The video footage of the so called “protestors” that they showed as evidence Gaddafi was shooting on his people, if you find the full video, and not the one scene, you’ll see that right after where the Western news would cut the scene, if you keep playing the video, it pulls back from being zoomed in and you see its a pro-Gaddafi demonstration and they are being shot at. The people fighting for Qatar and the UAE are Islamic Fundamentalists and the people from Misrata, which just go do some research on its history and who lives there and you’ll see they do not represent Libya or Libyans.

Jacob Newton

You don’t believe it because you are dumb. Rothschild bankers already sent the IMF to Libya so they can get their dirty banks in the country and no it wasn’t Libyans, it was mercenaries from the UAE and QATAR, armed by QATAR, and basically hand walked in by NATO. Between July 1st and the end of August, there were demonstrations in all major Libyan cities, on July 1st alone 1.7 million Libyans came out, there is video taken of all these that the Western media never shows.

The video footage of the so called “protestors” that they showed as evidence Gaddafi was shooting on his people, if you find the full video, and not the one scene, you’ll see that right after where the Western news would cut the scene, if you keep playing the video, it pulls back from being zoomed in and you see its a pro-Gaddafi demonstration and they are being shot at. The people fighting for Qatar and the UAE are Islamic Fundamentalists and the people from Misrata, which just go do some research on its history and who lives there and you’ll see they do not represent Libya or Libyans.

Gergith

Reminds me of This Revolution will not be Televised.

Dip Buyer

Same thing we did in Venezuela. But this time, instead of house arresting the “dictator”, they finished the job. Gaddafi will not be returning to Tripoli like Chavez did to Caracas.

Marygoudiesmith

WHO THE DEVIL ARE YOU? OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE OF THOSE WHO WERE IMPRISONED, TORTURED,RAPED ,AND KILLED FOR SAYING THAT ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.RULE BY THE PEOPLE WAS AN UTTER SHAM IN LIBYA.BEFORE FEBRUARY 17TH MY SON .JUST ONE OF THE DISILLUSIONED YOUTH WOULD SAY TO ME GIVE ME MY PASSAPORT AND LET ME LEAVE.BETTER A TRASH COLLECTER IN THE U.K. THAN AN ENGINEER IN LIBYA. I LOST A LOT OF SLEEP OFTEN STAYING UP TILL DAWN CONVINCING HIM TO STAY IN SCHOOL AND BELIEVE ME IT WAS A STRUGGLE TO KEEP HIM HANGING ON . BUT ONCE HE SEEN THE OTHERS WERE WILLING TO FACE DOWN THE TYRANT HE BECAME INSPIRED , THERE WAS HOPE , LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS LIKE HIM HE VOLUNTEERED,DID HIS TRAINING AN AND WENT TO THE FRONT.THE ONLY MERCENARIES IN THIS WAR WERE PART OF GADAFFI’S MALITIAS . AS FOR FUNDAMENTALIST ,WELL THAT HAS BEEN AN OVER ABUSED WORD FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE MODERATE AND IF SOME SEEM A LITTLE OVER ZEALOUS IT ‘S BECAUSE OF THE TIDE OF CORRUPTION THEY’VE HAD TO SWIM AGAINST ALL THESE YEARS. HE SCARY THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS ,IS THAT WESTERN MEDIA HAS BEEN FOR THE BEST PART BEEN REPORTING THE FACTS ON THE GROUND AS THEY WERE. I’VE BEEN HERE , BUT YOU CERTAINLY HAVE NOT.

Ed

Add gaddafi alive

Ed

Add gaddafi alive

Anonymous

I think we’re getting pelted by a site called Chan.

Anon

Yeah, now it’s just unruly mobs mowing down any dissenters.

Big difference.

Saya

The source… as the poster.. I really find no valid source for this.. except from this facebook group “the truth about libya” and a few other websites.. I believe this is becoming an urban legend.. Mind asking ur Libyan friends how valid this is?

Saya

The source… as the poster.. I really find no valid source for this.. except from this facebook group “the truth about libya” and a few other websites.. I believe this is becoming an urban legend.. Mind asking ur Libyan friends how valid this is?

Anonymous

Awgawd I come from one of the most socialist countries in the west!

Gergith

Reminds me of This Revolution will not be Televised.

Gergith

Reminds me of This Revolution will not be Televised.

Anonymous

Bah it should have been true. There were defectors though

Dip Buyer

Same thing we did in Venezuela. But this time, instead of house arresting the “dictator”, they finished the job. Gaddafi will not be returning to Tripoli like Chavez did to Caracas.

GlobalGuy

May be true, may not be true! In a war, you can never believe either side to tell the true story. And finally, history is the story of the victor. Truth will never be known.

GlobalGuy

May be true, may not be true! In a war, you can never believe either side to tell the true story. And finally, history is the story of the victor. Truth will never be known.

GlobalGuy

May be true, may not be true! In a war, you can never believe either side to tell the true story. And finally, history is the story of the victor. Truth will never be known.

GlobalGuy

May be true, may not be true! In a war, you can never believe either side to tell the true story. And finally, history is the story of the victor. Truth will never be known.

12000-15000 dollars a year is average salary in most East European countries – new members of EU, so they alll must kill their own leaders????

Anonymous

They also won’t be seeing the wonderful advantages of imprisonment without trial and public executions for political dissidents. Mass executions as seen in Abu Salim prison, and state sponsored terrorism.

BrianApocalypse

They also won’t be seeing the wonderful advantages of imprisonment without trial and public executions for political dissidents. Mass executions as seen in Abu Salim prison, and state sponsored terrorism.

Metoday

It’ll be left to the Yankee to continue those fine traditions.

Sytallix

1. Libya is Africa’s largest exporter of oil, 1.7 million tons a day,
which quickly was reduced to 300-400,000 ton due to US-NATO bombing.
Libya exports 80% of its oil: 80% of that to several EU lands (32%
Italy, 14% Germany, 10% France); 10% China; 5% USA.

2. Gaddafi has been preparing to launch a gold dinar for oil trade with
all of Africa’s 200 million people and other countries interested.
French President Nickola Sarkozi called this, “a threat for financial
security of mankind”. Much of France’s wealth—more than any other
colonial-imperialist power—comes from exploiting Africa.

3. Central Bank of Libya is 100% owned by state (since 1956) and is thus
outside of multinational corporation control (BIS-Banking International
Settlement rules for private interests). The state can finance its own
projects and do so without interest rates

4. Gaddafi-Central Bank used $33 billion, without interest rates, to
build the Great Man-Made River of 3,750 kilometers with three parallel
pipelines running oil, gas and water supplying 70% of the people (4.5 of
its 6 million) with clean drinking and irrigation water.

5. The Central Bank also financed Africa’s first communication satellite
with $300 million of the $377 cost. It started up for all Africa,
December 26, 2007, thus saving the 45-African nations an annual fee of
$500 million pocketed by Europe for use of its satellites and this means
much less cost for telephones and other communication systems.

Sytallix

1. Libya is Africa’s largest exporter of oil, 1.7 million tons a day,
which quickly was reduced to 300-400,000 ton due to US-NATO bombing.
Libya exports 80% of its oil: 80% of that to several EU lands (32%
Italy, 14% Germany, 10% France); 10% China; 5% USA.

2. Gaddafi has been preparing to launch a gold dinar for oil trade with
all of Africa’s 200 million people and other countries interested.
French President Nickola Sarkozi called this, “a threat for financial
security of mankind”. Much of France’s wealth—more than any other
colonial-imperialist power—comes from exploiting Africa.

3. Central Bank of Libya is 100% owned by state (since 1956) and is thus
outside of multinational corporation control (BIS-Banking International
Settlement rules for private interests). The state can finance its own
projects and do so without interest rates

4. Gaddafi-Central Bank used $33 billion, without interest rates, to
build the Great Man-Made River of 3,750 kilometers with three parallel
pipelines running oil, gas and water supplying 70% of the people (4.5 of
its 6 million) with clean drinking and irrigation water.

5. The Central Bank also financed Africa’s first communication satellite
with $300 million of the $377 cost. It started up for all Africa,
December 26, 2007, thus saving the 45-African nations an annual fee of
$500 million pocketed by Europe for use of its satellites and this means
much less cost for telephones and other communication systems.

Saya

A libyan friend replied, clarifying the truth
1) electricity has never been free,,2) we don’t have any Islamic banks , not even one, if u wanna loan,, enjoy the interst because it’s ur only option. that’s wy no one goes for this option
3) A tent?? Go count how many houses each of his sons have in every area in libya
4)the forth point is really funny,, if it was true I wud’ve been a madam now
It’s totally the opposite
5) yeah yeah that’s why we all run to Tunisia if we get a common cold…sad to mention but the education n treatment suck
6) hahahhahahahah yes good luck farming in the desert because all the lands r possessed by his relatives n ppl from his hometown
7) huh??? What the hell?? U r lucky if u could treat urself in the government hospital (one of ur relatives must be SOMETHING there )
8)well I would say that cars r a bit cheaper than here but never dream to get a RM ..I mean a Dinar from the government
9)yes Libya is the cheapest in terms of petrol but u should know that the whole petrol profit including the imported goes directly to gaddafi’s pocket n he declared it in one of his speech saying: the petrol profit is non of ur business
10) I’m not sure about that but,, the country lacks the basic n the simplest facilities so the external debts is the last thing to mention
11) WRONG! Look at the number of unemployed ppl ,, well my brother is oil engineer (in an oil producing country) n he’s not employed yet and there’s no onepaying him even one dinar.
12) hahahahahahahahahahahah
13) wow,, my mother gave birth 12 times(mashallah) n she never received a cent
14) well it’s cheap …to be precise 40 loaves cost 6 RM
15) 25% ????? I don’t understand ,, refer to the P-value
16)hahahahaha yes the contaminated dirty water that no one use …n that he calls ( the 8th wonder of the world)

LIBEI

You are tipical layer BIG DOT.

Fadeev2

hahaha is paid by cia…

amir

im from tunisia just near libya and my cousin’s are lbyan and what this libyan said to you is false. you know how costs 25 breads? they costs 250cent in tunisia one bread cost 240cent; ; there they dont bought by kilos because 1kilos it don’t cost anything for exemple sugar they bought 50kilos it cost just 2dollars , they were living good life but their problem that they are dumbs i know may be you think my word is harsh but beleive me libyan people don’t wanna work at all they wanted to get oil money and sitting at home drinking tea , you live millions miles away you don’t know the truth ask who is near of libya , i lie if i tell there was a freedom of speach but that doesn’t matter when you feel free to do what you want and when your government gives you all what you want and what you need

rincewind

I’m sorry if this offends you,’ he added, patting the captain’s shoulder, ‘but you fellows really need us.’
‘Yes, sir?’ said Vimes quietly.
‘Oh, yes. We’re the only ones who know how to make things work. You see, the only thing the good people are good at is overthrowing the bad people. And you’re good at that, I’ll grant you. But the trouble is that it’s the only thing you’re good at. One day it’s the ringing of the bells and the casting down of the evil tyrant, and the next it’s everyone sitting around complaining that ever since the tyrant was overthrown no-one’s been taking out the trash. Because the bad people know how to plan. It’s part of the specification, you might say. Every evil tyrant has a plan to rule the world. The good people don’t seem to have the knack.’
–Lord Vetinari

rincewind

I’m sorry if this offends you,’ he added, patting the captain’s shoulder, ‘but you fellows really need us.’
‘Yes, sir?’ said Vimes quietly.
‘Oh, yes. We’re the only ones who know how to make things work. You see, the only thing the good people are good at is overthrowing the bad people. And you’re good at that, I’ll grant you. But the trouble is that it’s the only thing you’re good at. One day it’s the ringing of the bells and the casting down of the evil tyrant, and the next it’s everyone sitting around complaining that ever since the tyrant was overthrown no-one’s been taking out the trash. Because the bad people know how to plan. It’s part of the specification, you might say. Every evil tyrant has a plan to rule the world. The good people don’t seem to have the knack.’
–Lord Vetinari

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2KUV3NZZH3MVMPCI7A77GCYDWM Erik G

I don’t subscribe to the idea that they should have killed him. The videos and their acts are repulsive.

The idea that they sought freedom isn’t so crazy, though. The average salary is just one reason highlighting that the ’16 Things’ list has been put together to shill one point of view. Libya isn’t an East European country, it’s the richest African country – when you count Ghadafi’s fortune. Also, *ahem* East European countries might all choose to rise up and kill their leaders, if their leaders choose to launch attacks on them.

Their leaders would likely never do that to them though, so we will never know.

emperorreagan

There were a lot of parties involved in the war against Libya that had very questionable motives. I wouldn’t be surprised if western intelligence organizations were responsible for fomenting things in Libya. I would say that NATO meddling was certainly responsible for the final outcome of the war.

In general, I find the whole “Arab Spring” narrative pretty suspect. Egypt is looking more and more like a military coup – a military which incidentally is pretty closely tied to US support. Gaddafi was a European/American bogeyman deposed thanks to NATO intervention. Tunisia is the only one that potentially looks legit to me. Protests in NATO/US friendly nations have been put down quickly and more or less quietly.

There is legitimately a lot of dissatisfaction with the governments in the countries that have seen protests. It’s just the pattern of friendlies weathering the protests with a few concessions, but things progressing in places where the leader is not friendly to the west (Libya, Syria) or where the leader can be replaced with a more useful entity (Egypt).

Of course, I could also just be looking suspiciously at something natural and just projecting past CIA misdeeds on to the present.

adrian

I live in Central American, in my country most people make around 500 dollars a month. So 12-15000 a year is for someone who is educated. My wifes a engineer and she makes 1,200 a month

emperorreagan

There were a lot of parties involved in the war against Libya that had very questionable motives. I wouldn’t be surprised if western intelligence organizations were responsible for fomenting things in Libya. I would say that NATO meddling was certainly responsible for the final outcome of the war.

In general, I find the whole “Arab Spring” narrative pretty suspect. Egypt is looking more and more like a military coup – a military which incidentally is pretty closely tied to US support. Gaddafi was a European/American bogeyman deposed thanks to NATO intervention. Tunisia is the only one that potentially looks legit to me. Protests in NATO/US friendly nations have been put down quickly and more or less quietly.

There is legitimately a lot of dissatisfaction with the governments in the countries that have seen protests. It’s just the pattern of friendlies weathering the protests with a few concessions, but things progressing in places where the leader is not friendly to the west (Libya, Syria) or where the leader can be replaced with a more useful entity (Egypt).

Of course, I could also just be looking suspiciously at something natural and just projecting past CIA misdeeds on to the present.

m1987

If Libya was so amazing, then why it isn´t a well developed country, why there were so many violations of human rights? If it was so amazing, then why its own people had enough and they were willing to die for a change in the regime?

m1987

If Libya was so amazing, then why it isn´t a well developed country, why there were so many violations of human rights? If it was so amazing, then why its own people had enough and they were willing to die for a change in the regime?

It just so happens that the United Nations Human
Rights Council was scheduled to take another important vote. What was
that vote?

The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD.
The report said that the Ghaddafi government protected “not only
political rights, but also economic, educational, social and cultural
rights,” and praised it for the nation’s treatment of religious
minorities, and the “human rights training” received by security forces.

It was to be approved at a vote later this month.
Did something suddenly happen over night? If you believe it did, I have
a bridge to sell you.

No less than 46 delegations to the controversial
Human Rights Council made positive comments, with rare criticism from,
who else, the United States.

It just so happens that the United Nations Human
Rights Council was scheduled to take another important vote. What was
that vote?

The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD.
The report said that the Ghaddafi government protected “not only
political rights, but also economic, educational, social and cultural
rights,” and praised it for the nation’s treatment of religious
minorities, and the “human rights training” received by security forces.

It was to be approved at a vote later this month.
Did something suddenly happen over night? If you believe it did, I have
a bridge to sell you.

No less than 46 delegations to the controversial
Human Rights Council made positive comments, with rare criticism from,
who else, the United States.

Pedro Parkero

Where did you get that “The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD”?
Did you read the document that is linked there? See section 96. What it says is the following recommendations of the delegates DID NOT enjoy the support of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya:

* 96.2. Investigate all alleged enforced disappearances, and accede to the
International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced
Disappearances

* 96.3. Make declarations under article 14 of the International Convention on
the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and article 22 of the
Convention against Torture, to recognize the individual complaints
mechanisms under those treaties

* 96.6. Amend or repeal legislation that applies the death penalty to nonserious crimes, as recommended by the Human Rights Committee, including
the exercise of the right to freedom of expression or opinion or the
establishment of groups, organizations or associations based on a political
ideology contrary to the principles of the 1969 revolution (articles 206 and 207
of the Penal Code)

* 96.7. Ensure equality, under the law and in practice, of women, and amend
all discriminatory legal provisions concerning marriage (including polygamy),
male guardianship, child custody, divorce and inheritance, as recommended by
the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women and the
Committee on the Rights of the Child

* 96.9. Reinforce measures to ensure the full investigation of allegations of
torture, disappearances and arbitrary detention, and that it fully prosecutes
and appropriately punishes persons responsible

* 96.11. Respect obligations under ICCPR by freeing persons currently under
administrative detention and by putting an end to arbitrary detention and
torture

Anti-discrimination, right to freedom of expression, equality… That’s just a selection of the list of things they said NO to. Why the heck will they get praise for their human rights record if they’re unwilling to subject to international rights laws? O_o;;

Yargle

To be fair you could argue the same about the US. It incarcerates more of its citizens than any other country in the world – a couple of million at the last count – and most of these are non-violent soft drug users. US jails also aren’t too nice with plenty of rape and violence going on. Then you have the likes of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib showing the military doesn’t mind the odd bit of torture, either.

The scary thing for America is that if you look at the basic economic statistics, while US income is much higher than Libya, so is debt (I believe is something like the US has 50x the population of Libya but 1000x the debt), the unemployment rates are similar, the poverty rates both abysmal. Is quite amusing to read the excuses for this in the press or online ‘Well Libya is smaller and oil-rich’… last time I looked the US had an absolute ton of natural resources (oil, gas, uranium, gold, rare Earths etc.) as well along with vast amounts of advanced technology, so what gives? Libya clearly had a rubbish government, but its not a bed of roses here at the moment, either. In fact it looks awfully like the current US Gov policy is simply to kill foreign leaders who it doesn’t like. This is going to backfire in a quite spectacular way and I shudder to think how many young people will again be sent off to die in wars because of it.

Thomacat

I see the people getting even more pissed if the loose all these benefits…and they all got guns…the fun is just beginning……

Thomacat

I see the people getting even more pissed if the loose all these benefits…and they all got guns…the fun is just beginning……

Thomacat

yeah , I smell a rat….

Drinky McGee

I’m not going to ask for a source, because I haven’t had my head up my ass for the last couple of decades, so I know that Qaddafi had radical left leanings. What’s happening here, though, is that people are trying to make him sound like a saint, because they don’t like the American/NATO intervention or the rebels. I’m not a big fan of those things, either, but it doesn’t make Qaddafi any less of an authoritarian turd. It’s possible that all sides stink. That’s usually the case.

Drinky McGee

I’m not going to ask for a source, because I haven’t had my head up my ass for the last couple of decades, so I know that Qaddafi had radical left leanings. What’s happening here, though, is that people are trying to make him sound like a saint, because they don’t like the American/NATO intervention or the rebels. I’m not a big fan of those things, either, but it doesn’t make Qaddafi any less of an authoritarian turd. It’s possible that all sides stink. That’s usually the case.

Georgeq66

I am sorry …..Whatever he was – HIS PEOPLE WERE NOT STARVING……..NOW they have been polluted with DU tipped weapons never to recover HA!….TODAY : Sharia Law TOMORROW : “insurgency” i.e the dissapearence and murder of the middle classes…doctors,lawyers and teacher….The NEXT DAY : trafficking of the women and children – harvesting of organs……BY NEXT YEAR – the country will be a SHELL….with ultra-military and resources extraction facilities with a mute,stupid,tortured, raped semblence of a slave class serving the VAMPIRES of the 1%…welcome to the NWO……Paradise was lost and NOT A SOUL mourned it’s passing………..

Jack Sinclair

“Authoritarian turd”. As your head isn’t up your ass, surely you spared a thought for Obama going to war without consulting Congress? I doubt that the emir of Qatar consulted anyone – perhaps one of his 20+ children.

On the subject of the last couple of decades, isn’t it strange that the West backs nut case Islamism abroad but tells its own people that their freedoms are in peril because of it at home?

Think of that the next time you are frisked by the TSA because of the Al-Qaeda threat – think of how this same threat is your government’s ally in Libya. And yes, an Al Qaeda affiliate is ready and waiting in Iran…

Drinky McGee

I said I didn’t approve of the intervention. I suppose you take exception because I don’t share your obsessions . . .

wally58

Radical Leftist huh, kind of like OUR leaders? hahahaha. Take a good look at the last 3 presidents, mein herr. They make this guy look rather harmless compared to their war mongering, war criming, and murderering.

I’m still waiting for REAL justice for the murderers of WACO, El Jefe, when’s that gonna happen? Libya had Human Rights Violations? How does gassing-burning-alive almost 100 US Citizens in their CHURCH sound, poopie?

Drinky McGee

Incoherent drivel.

adrian

I suggest you travel more and see what most people really survive on in this world . Its much lower than 12-15000k a year. Almost half the world — over three billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.
22,000 children die everyday due to poverty. Im sorry but we americans are some of the most ignorant people on this planet. spoon fed our oppinions by news propaganda. REad this article and ask yourself, are we in libya to help people or for profits? Cause there are dozens of other countries were people need are help way more than Libya

people don’t attack their leaders or risk their lives when they’re NOT taken care of
they sign up with netflix

http://circa1954.blogspot.com GuidingLight

Ummm, did you read their disclaimer at Global Research? Not only do they tell you they are inaccurate, they do so with inaccurate grammar. “The Centre for Research on Globalization will not be responsible for any inaccurate or incorrect in this article. ”

It just so happens that the United Nations Human
Rights Council was scheduled to take another important vote. What was
that vote?

The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD.
The report said that the Ghaddafi government protected “not only
political rights, but also economic, educational, social and cultural
rights,” and praised it for the nation’s treatment of religious
minorities, and the “human rights training” received by security forces.

It was to be approved at a vote later this month.
Did something suddenly happen over night? If you believe it did, I have
a bridge to sell you.

No less than 46 delegations to the controversial
Human Rights Council made positive comments, with rare criticism from,
who else, the United States.

It just so happens that the United Nations Human
Rights Council was scheduled to take another important vote. What was
that vote?

The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD.
The report said that the Ghaddafi government protected “not only
political rights, but also economic, educational, social and cultural
rights,” and praised it for the nation’s treatment of religious
minorities, and the “human rights training” received by security forces.

It was to be approved at a vote later this month.
Did something suddenly happen over night? If you believe it did, I have
a bridge to sell you.

No less than 46 delegations to the controversial
Human Rights Council made positive comments, with rare criticism from,
who else, the United States.

http://www.federaljack.com/?page_id=37933
This page is dedicated to exposing the war crimes being committed in
Libya by NATO and the NATO backed “rebels” otherwise known as Al-Qaeda.
The pictures, videos, and info are all coming from inside Libya, from
refuges, civilians and independent (non-government) aid organizations.
The only goal is to get the truth out about the people we as a country
are backing and the real results of NATO’s continued bombing raids on
the densely populated cities inside of Libya.

MDF58

http://www.federaljack.com/?page_id=37933
This page is dedicated to exposing the war crimes being committed in
Libya by NATO and the NATO backed “rebels” otherwise known as Al-Qaeda.
The pictures, videos, and info are all coming from inside Libya, from
refuges, civilians and independent (non-government) aid organizations.
The only goal is to get the truth out about the people we as a country
are backing and the real results of NATO’s continued bombing raids on
the densely populated cities inside of Libya.

Yargle

To be fair you could argue the same about the US. It incarcerates more of its citizens than any other country in the world – a couple of million at the last count – and most of these are non-violent soft drug users. US jails also aren’t too nice with plenty of rape and violence going on. Then you have the likes of Gitmo and Abu Ghraib showing the military doesn’t mind the odd bit of torture, either.

The scary thing for America is that if you look at the basic economic statistics, while US income is much higher than Libya, so is debt (I believe is something like the US has 50x the population of Libya but 1000x the debt), the unemployment rates are similar, the poverty rates both abysmal. Is quite amusing to read the excuses for this in the press or online ‘Well Libya is smaller and oil-rich’… last time I looked the US had an absolute ton of natural resources (oil, gas, uranium, gold, rare Earths etc.) as well along with vast amounts of advanced technology, so what gives? Libya clearly had a rubbish government, but its not a bed of roses here at the moment, either. In fact it looks awfully like the current US Gov policy is simply to kill foreign leaders who it doesn’t like. This is going to backfire in a quite spectacular way and I shudder to think how many young people will again be sent off to die in wars because of it.

http://www.facebook.com/seananomie Sean Anomie

When you present bullet points like this with no sourcing, that truly is “disinformation”.

http://www.facebook.com/seananomie Sean Anomie

When you present bullet points like this with no sourcing, that truly is “disinformation”.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KECI2SI4EHE5KWOHQYD62X57IY R K Alvin

So Capitalism wanted to get rid of Gaddafi?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KECI2SI4EHE5KWOHQYD62X57IY R K Alvin

So Capitalism wanted to get rid of Gaddafi?

Metoday

It’ll be left to the Yankee to continue those fine traditions.

Metoday

It’ll be left to the Yankee to continue those fine traditions.

Steveio2

are the rebels even lybians? or are they afghanis, irakis, etc.. all mercenaries.

kids! with hunting knives!

Steveio2

are the rebels even lybians? or are they afghanis, irakis, etc.. all mercenaries.

kids! with hunting knives!

Ade @ Coffee2bsmelt

Well it’s nice to see you’re reading your mainstream media like a good little boy…

These men that attacked not only were registered traitors by more than one arab country they also are registered by several governments as Al-Qaeda Abdel Hakim Belhaj is a former commander, who until recently was boasting of shooting British and American troops AND has instigated a return to Sharia Law, the same Law that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda follow, but of course they would because both the organizations were formed and funded by the CIA and Obama’s puppet master Zbigniew Brzezinski

I’d google all that if I were you… Gaddafi was a cruel dictator but he is nothing to what Libya is going into

S. O.S.

On September 1, 1969 the pro-western regime that had ruled in Libya was overthrown by Colonel Muamar Gaddafi and his officers. At the time, Libya was home to the largest US Air Base (Wheelus Air Base) in North Africa. Agreements between the USA and Libya signed in 1951 and 1954 granted the USAF the use of Wheelus Air Base and its El Watia gunnery range for gunnery and bombing training and for transport and bombing stopovers until 1971. During the Cold War the base was pivotal to expanding US military power under the Strategic Air Command, and an essential base for fighter and reconnaissance missions. The Pentagon also used the base — and the remote Libyan desert — for missile launch testing: the launch area was located 15 miles east of Tripoli. Considered a ‘little America on the shores of the Mediteranean’, the base housed some 4600 US military personnel until its evacuation in 1970.
With the discovery of oil in Libya in 1959, a very poor desert country became a very rich little western protectorate. US and European companies had huge stakes in the extremely lucrative petroleum and banking sectors, but these were soon nationalized by Gaddafi. Thus Libya overnight joined the list of US ‘enemy’ or ‘rogue’ states that sought autonomy and self-determination outside the expanding sphere of western Empire. Further cementing western hatred of the new regime, Libya played a leading role of the 1973 oil embargo against the US and maintained cooperative relations with the Soviet Union. Gaddafi also reportedly channeled early oil wealth into national free health care and education.
==
Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. (document). [ http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf%5D That’s right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a “brutal dictator,” was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a “brutal dictator,” at the end of March.
==
Great Man made River Project
These are some Facts and Figures about GMRA :
– Approximately 500,000 pre-stressed concrete cylinder pipes have been manufactured to date.
– Approximately 500,000 pipes transported to date. Pipe transportation is continuous process and the work goes on day and night, distance traveled by the transporters is equivalent to the sun and back.
– Over 3,700 km of haul roads was constructed alongside the pipe line trench
to enable the heavy truck — trailers to deliver pipe to the installation site Phase I Total Length 1,600 Km.
Phase II Total Length 2,155 Km.
– Volume of Trench Excavation 250 Million Cubic Meter.
– The amount of aggregate used in the project : 30,000,000 Ton.
Enough to Build 20 pyramids the size of the great pyramid of Khoufu.
– Total Weight of Cement used 7.0 Million Tones.
– Total Length of Pre-Stressing Wire 6.0 Million Kilometers
This would circle the Earth 280 times.

S. O.S.

On September 1, 1969 the pro-western regime that had ruled in Libya was overthrown by Colonel Muamar Gaddafi and his officers. At the time, Libya was home to the largest US Air Base (Wheelus Air Base) in North Africa. Agreements between the USA and Libya signed in 1951 and 1954 granted the USAF the use of Wheelus Air Base and its El Watia gunnery range for gunnery and bombing training and for transport and bombing stopovers until 1971. During the Cold War the base was pivotal to expanding US military power under the Strategic Air Command, and an essential base for fighter and reconnaissance missions. The Pentagon also used the base — and the remote Libyan desert — for missile launch testing: the launch area was located 15 miles east of Tripoli. Considered a ‘little America on the shores of the Mediteranean’, the base housed some 4600 US military personnel until its evacuation in 1970.
With the discovery of oil in Libya in 1959, a very poor desert country became a very rich little western protectorate. US and European companies had huge stakes in the extremely lucrative petroleum and banking sectors, but these were soon nationalized by Gaddafi. Thus Libya overnight joined the list of US ‘enemy’ or ‘rogue’ states that sought autonomy and self-determination outside the expanding sphere of western Empire. Further cementing western hatred of the new regime, Libya played a leading role of the 1973 oil embargo against the US and maintained cooperative relations with the Soviet Union. Gaddafi also reportedly channeled early oil wealth into national free health care and education.
==
Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. (document). [ http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf%5D That’s right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a “brutal dictator,” was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a “brutal dictator,” at the end of March.
==
Great Man made River Project
These are some Facts and Figures about GMRA :
– Approximately 500,000 pre-stressed concrete cylinder pipes have been manufactured to date.
– Approximately 500,000 pipes transported to date. Pipe transportation is continuous process and the work goes on day and night, distance traveled by the transporters is equivalent to the sun and back.
– Over 3,700 km of haul roads was constructed alongside the pipe line trench
to enable the heavy truck — trailers to deliver pipe to the installation site Phase I Total Length 1,600 Km.
Phase II Total Length 2,155 Km.
– Volume of Trench Excavation 250 Million Cubic Meter.
– The amount of aggregate used in the project : 30,000,000 Ton.
Enough to Build 20 pyramids the size of the great pyramid of Khoufu.
– Total Weight of Cement used 7.0 Million Tones.
– Total Length of Pre-Stressing Wire 6.0 Million Kilometers
This would circle the Earth 280 times.

S. O.S.

On September 1, 1969 the pro-western regime that had ruled in Libya was overthrown by Colonel Muamar Gaddafi and his officers. At the time, Libya was home to the largest US Air Base (Wheelus Air Base) in North Africa. Agreements between the USA and Libya signed in 1951 and 1954 granted the USAF the use of Wheelus Air Base and its El Watia gunnery range for gunnery and bombing training and for transport and bombing stopovers until 1971. During the Cold War the base was pivotal to expanding US military power under the Strategic Air Command, and an essential base for fighter and reconnaissance missions. The Pentagon also used the base — and the remote Libyan desert — for missile launch testing: the launch area was located 15 miles east of Tripoli. Considered a ‘little America on the shores of the Mediteranean’, the base housed some 4600 US military personnel until its evacuation in 1970.
With the discovery of oil in Libya in 1959, a very poor desert country became a very rich little western protectorate. US and European companies had huge stakes in the extremely lucrative petroleum and banking sectors, but these were soon nationalized by Gaddafi. Thus Libya overnight joined the list of US ‘enemy’ or ‘rogue’ states that sought autonomy and self-determination outside the expanding sphere of western Empire. Further cementing western hatred of the new regime, Libya played a leading role of the 1973 oil embargo against the US and maintained cooperative relations with the Soviet Union. Gaddafi also reportedly channeled early oil wealth into national free health care and education.
==
Before NATO and the U.S. started bombing Libya, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. (document). [ http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A-HRC-16-15.pdf%5D That’s right–the same man, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, that NATO and the United States have been telling us for months is a “brutal dictator,” was set to be given an award for his human rights record in Libya. How strange it is that the United Nations was set to bestow a human rights award on a “brutal dictator,” at the end of March.
==
Great Man made River Project
These are some Facts and Figures about GMRA :
– Approximately 500,000 pre-stressed concrete cylinder pipes have been manufactured to date.
– Approximately 500,000 pipes transported to date. Pipe transportation is continuous process and the work goes on day and night, distance traveled by the transporters is equivalent to the sun and back.
– Over 3,700 km of haul roads was constructed alongside the pipe line trench
to enable the heavy truck — trailers to deliver pipe to the installation site Phase I Total Length 1,600 Km.
Phase II Total Length 2,155 Km.
– Volume of Trench Excavation 250 Million Cubic Meter.
– The amount of aggregate used in the project : 30,000,000 Ton.
Enough to Build 20 pyramids the size of the great pyramid of Khoufu.
– Total Weight of Cement used 7.0 Million Tones.
– Total Length of Pre-Stressing Wire 6.0 Million Kilometers
This would circle the Earth 280 times.

Martin

Hi, I had a look at http://www2.ohchr.org/english/… and whilst it commented on the various aspect of progress and gave recommendations, I couldn’t see any reference to the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar
Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of
human rights.
Can you point me in the right direction?

Misinformation

I’m not commenting on the rest of your post, as I have not done enough reading to verify it or deny. But, in my opinion, you do your position no favors by claiming (even if true) that the UN was going to give some vacuous award to Gaddafi. The UN is the same organization that helped bomb the shit out of Libya. So they’re either confused and/or a poor basis for your argument. Here’s one more example of an award I’d steer clear of using to pad an argument: Nobel Peace Prize – three names, Kissinger, Arafat, Obama.

http://twitter.com/Libya_SOS Libya S.O.S.

– Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world.Riba (usury) is not permitted.
– The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West.http://libyasos.blogspot.com/p/gaddafi.html
The EU and US owe Libya over 200 BILLION$ for Libyan oil.
– Also, oil concessions for western oil companies are due to expire in 2012., and Gaddafi said that if they don’t pay he would give the new concessions to Russian and Chinese oil companies.
– The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians.
It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil
corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya.
=====
“I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed “democracy” and “freedom”… never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup”. ~ Mu’ummar Qaddafi
SALUTE !

http://twitter.com/Libya_SOS Libya S.O.S.

– Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world.Riba (usury) is not permitted.
– The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West.http://libyasos.blogspot.com/p/gaddafi.html
The EU and US owe Libya over 200 BILLION$ for Libyan oil.
– Also, oil concessions for western oil companies are due to expire in 2012., and Gaddafi said that if they don’t pay he would give the new concessions to Russian and Chinese oil companies.
– The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians.
It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil
corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya.
=====
“I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed “democracy” and “freedom”… never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup”. ~ Mu’ummar Qaddafi
SALUTE !

http://twitter.com/Libya_SOS Libya S.O.S.

– Libya produces exceptionally high quality light crude oil and its production cost of $1 a barrel, compared to the current price of $115, is the lowest in the world.Riba (usury) is not permitted.
– The Central bank of Libya is a wholly-owned by the Libyan Government and is run as a state bank, issuing all government loans free of interest. This is in contrast to the exploitative fractional reserve banking system of the West.http://libyasos.blogspot.com/p/gaddafi.html
The EU and US owe Libya over 200 BILLION$ for Libyan oil.
– Also, oil concessions for western oil companies are due to expire in 2012., and Gaddafi said that if they don’t pay he would give the new concessions to Russian and Chinese oil companies.
– The no-fly zone and the bombing of Libya have nothing to do with the protection of civilians.
It is an act of war * a blatant and crude attempt by the oil
corporations and international bankers to steal the wealth of Libya.
=====
“I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed “democracy” and “freedom”… never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup”. ~ Mu’ummar Qaddafi
SALUTE !

A friend from Libya clarified on this, as a poster, I tried to confirm the validity of this article
1) electricity has never been free,,2) we don’t have any Islamic banks , not even one, if u wanna loan,, enjoy the interst because it’s ur only option. that’s wy no one goes for this option
3) A tent?? Go count how many houses each of his sons have in every area in libya
4)the forth point is really funny,, if it was true I wud’ve been a madam now
It’s totally the opposite
5) yeah yeah that’s why we all run to Tunisia if we get a common cold…sad to mention but the education n treatment suck
6) hahahhahahahah yes good luck farming in the desert because all the lands r possessed by his relatives n ppl from his hometown
7) huh??? What the hell?? U r lucky if u could treat urself in the government hospital (one of ur relatives must be SOMETHING there )
8)well I would say that cars r a bit cheaper than here but never dream to get a RM ..I mean a Dinar from the government
9)yes Libya is the cheapest in terms of petrol but u should know that the whole petrol profit including the imported goes directly to gaddafi’s pocket n he declared it in one of his speech saying: the petrol profit is non of ur business
10) I’m not sure about that but,, the country lacks the basic n the simplest facilities so the external debts is the last thing to mention
11) WRONG! Look at the number of unemployed ppl ,, well my brother is oil engineer (in an oil producing country) n he’s not employed yet and there’s no onepaying him even one dinar.
12) hahahahahahahahahahahah
13) wow,, my mother gave birth 12 times(mashallah) n she never received a cent
14) well it’s cheap …to be precise 40 loaves cost 6 RM
15) 25% ????? I don’t understand ,, refer to the P-value
16)hahahahaha yes the contaminated dirty water that no one use …n that he calls ( the 8th wonder of the world)

http://www.facebook.com/peter.hendry.125 Peter Hendry

Well done! You were almost believable…but you are a probably Troll

Marlin

One thing i have learn about life . A GREEDIE person is never needed person ! True Capatlism is Greed !lol

Truth Teller

CIA/MI6 coup. Simple as that.

Truth Teller

CIA/MI6 coup. Simple as that.

Truth Teller

CIA/MI6 coup. Simple as that.

Suzanne Holmes

You forgot The Mossad.

Goldblossom

Half my family lives in Libya..since when is an electric bill equivalent to 600 usd Free?? a lot of what is written here is a bold faced Lie!!

Goldblossom

Half my family lives in Libya..since when is an electric bill equivalent to 600 usd Free?? a lot of what is written here is a bold faced Lie!!

Goldblossom

Half my family lives in Libya..since when is an electric bill equivalent to 600 usd Free?? a lot of what is written here is a bold faced Lie!!

Africa sure is wealthy

wow black people sure are rich imagine thats just one state on the black continent
libya is africa so is cairo,tunisia,israel ,saudi Arabia

Africa sure is wealthy

wow black people sure are rich imagine thats just one state on the black continent
libya is africa so is cairo,tunisia,israel ,saudi Arabia

Africa sure is wealthy

wow black people sure are rich imagine thats just one state on the black continent
libya is africa so is cairo,tunisia,israel ,saudi Arabia

Ricobreeze

YEAH for the freedom fighters!!! you killed your freedom please now enjoy the NWO taking everything the COL. fought so hard to keep for you… enojoy being poor slaves again… you know not what you do..

Ricobreeze

YEAH for the freedom fighters!!! you killed your freedom please now enjoy the NWO taking everything the COL. fought so hard to keep for you… enojoy being poor slaves again… you know not what you do..

Goyah

In prison, you also get free accommodation, all utilities included, and free health care to boot. Does that make you want to live there? Does that make you free? I missed the part where you mention how many Libyans were tortured by Gaddafi (often on behalf of the CIA, with his cooperation with their extraordinary rendition program) and how many were killed only because somebody accused them of not supporting Gaddafi. Why don’t you show this list to an actual Libyan? You know what one would tell you? “If you like him so much, you take him!” Well, a week ago they would have said that, too late now. While I’m no fan of western imperialism, being against the west doesn’t automatically make one a saint. Tyranny is tyranny, let it come from whom it may. Gaddafi was a brutal tyrant who kept his people impoverished and living on handouts. Next I guess you’ll be defending Bashar al-Assad, the Khalifahs, Saleh, and the Saudis?

Chris

lol. like the USA hasn’t got the highest incarceration rate in the world, have killed millions in unjust wars, no money in America you get nothing free no health care no education no nothing.

USA

If you cannot afford healthcare or education in America they are provided for you….. Quit lying you Moron

Nope

healthcare isnt provided, which is why i havent had insurance in over a decade and a half. You have to be a minor, elderly, or pregnant to get the “healthcare” quotes for what is provided being the bottom of the barrel county system. and yes up through highschool education is provided, and some limited grants that would get you through a community college for an associates degree. but I dont see healthcare or college grants surviving the coming purge on “socialist” programs in the US, and the school system is already a prison preparation/daycare system anyway.

Dean Mcinerney

Thats nonsense, if a service is inadequate, ie. You dont get educated properly, and you dont get healed then it isnt a service, its windowdressing. In Australia, our Neoliberal Government began to Americanise our Health System some years ago cutting back Medicare and pushing private health schemes. Medical insurance is too expensive for many people and the waiting lists are now too long. In order to window dress they reclassified a whole bunch of vital procedures as “elective” and reclassified conditions like sleep apnea as non-life threatening. This is how things go, reclassification is the best tool for rationing and rationalising.
Plus the level of literacy in America is woeful, its citizens are not educated about the world properly in school (ie.they mostly study their own history), and this is why the country is in such a pickle, and its people are so ignorant even though they are so affluent. I have lived there for a year so I do have first hand experience.

Edwina Dunbar-Johnson

TRUE THAT. Someone who knows the DEAL. He was KILLED because of those and other REASONS. JEALOUSY is a BITCH. They want his people to SUFFER just like we are SUFFERING here in this Land-Of-Opportunity as this place is called, NOT……

Marlin

The Libyan are going learn all about Capitalism now ! lol

Marlin

That sound like something Irish person would say ! 😛

Cerak2

I don’t have a healt care …please give me a precise instruction how to get it ….you delusional moron !

Calu

its true you fool do your histery

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

The situation in the USA does not detract from Gadaffi tyranny, his military/energy fascism, tyranny is tyranny. And everyone, even immigrants get free basic education in USA.

Howard_y

In prison, you also get free dick

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

well said.

Suzanne Holmes

You forgot The Mossad.

Guesty123

not sure thats true….I know Libyans and if that were true they wouldnt be here living like tramps…

Guesty123

not sure thats true….I know Libyans and if that were true they wouldnt be here living like tramps…

There are people who lead and those﻿ who follow’. Bad leaders aren’t always the ONLY problem, just the massive group of idiots supporting them !!

what will it take for us to WAKE UP !!

Anonymous

There were never any freedom fighters. The “Rebels” were a gang, paid for with US money and armed by the Europeans. When they failed to do the job, which was expected, NATO finished it. This whole thing was planed by the banks and corporations from the start.

greatsouthernland

There were never any freedom fighters. The “Rebels” were a gang, paid for with US money and armed by the Europeans. When they failed to do the job, which was expected, NATO finished it. This whole thing was planed by the banks and corporations from the start.

ideologeme

Rubbish. The UK was already training Gaddafi’s troops, take a look. The other thing is that Libya already had oil agreements with western corporations, hence Gates’ hesitance to enter into the conflict. Talk to Libyans please.

http://twitter.com/BTB01 Bernard Busch

Follow the money!

Bernie

Follow the money!

Anonymous

Gadhafi could have run for president here in America and won. And we would be better off. KNOW THINE ENEMY. Our military has forgotten its oath to DEFEND the Constitution of the U.S., and runs amok, with its only purpose to gather loot for the sick pigs at the top.

apeman2502

Gadhafi could have run for president here in America and won. And we would be better off. KNOW THINE ENEMY. Our military has forgotten its oath to DEFEND the Constitution of the U.S., and runs amok, with its only purpose to gather loot for the sick pigs at the top.

Toozool

Yeah sure did you see it on CNN or Fox News both “reliable” news sources not!!!

Jimmy

Down with Obongo and his Jewish handlers! Long live the memory of Muammar Gaddafi!

Jimmy

Down with Obongo and his Jewish handlers! Long live the memory of Muammar Gaddafi!

Georgeq66

I am sorry …..Whatever he was – HIS PEOPLE WERE NOT STARVING……..NOW they have been polluted with DU tipped weapons never to recover HA!….TODAY : Sharia Law TOMORROW : “insurgency” i.e the dissapearence and murder of the middle classes…doctors,lawyers and teacher….The NEXT DAY : trafficking of the women and children – harvesting of organs……BY NEXT YEAR – the country will be a SHELL….with ultra-military and resources extraction facilities with a mute,stupid,tortured, raped semblence of a slave class serving the VAMPIRES of the 1%…welcome to the NWO……Paradise was lost and NOT A SOUL mourned it’s passing………..

http://twitter.com/Xenaclone Xenaclone

How do you know for certain that Libya won’t have these things again? Also, where did the finances come from to support all these projects?

Philippa

How do you know for certain that Libya won’t have these things again? Also, where did the finances come from to support all these projects?

Jack Sinclair

Libya is now a Sharia NATOCRACY on the fractional reserve global central bank matrix and its oil supply is owned by French, British and American corporations. Oil profits will go overseas and the IMF will lend Libya’s own money back to it at interest to pay for the damage that NATO and its mercenaries caused. Any future investment into Libya’s social state will come from new borrowing which will gradually tighten the noose around the tax payer.

http://twitter.com/J4ckSincl4ir Jack Sinclair

“Authoritarian turd”. As your head isn’t up your ass, surely you spared a thought for Obama going to war without consulting Congress? I doubt that the emir of Qatar consulted anyone – perhaps one of his 20+ children.

On the subject of the last couple of decades, isn’t it strange that the West backs nut case Islamism abroad but tells its own people that their freedoms are in peril because of it at home?

Think of that the next time you are frisked by the TSA because of the Al-Qaeda threat – think of how this same threat is your government’s ally in Libya. And yes, an Al Qaeda affiliate is ready and waiting in Iran…

Pedro Parkero

An alternative reading, ‘coz just reading one side (esp. a side that doesn’t cite its sources) is bad for your health… :-p

Libya is now a Sharia NATOCRACY on the fractional reserve global central bank matrix and its oil supply is owned by French, British and American corporations. Oil profits will go overseas and the IMF will lend Libya’s own money back to it at interest to pay for the damage that NATO and its mercenaries caused. Any future investment into Libya’s social state will come from new borrowing which will gradually tighten the noose around the tax payer.

Pedro Parkero

Where did you get that “The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD”?
Did you read the document that is linked there? See section 96. What it says is the following recommendations of the delegates DID NOT enjoy the support of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya:

* 96.2. Investigate all alleged enforced disappearances, and accede to the
International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced
Disappearances

* 96.3. Make declarations under article 14 of the International Convention on
the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and article 22 of the
Convention against Torture, to recognize the individual complaints
mechanisms under those treaties

* 96.6. Amend or repeal legislation that applies the death penalty to nonserious crimes, as recommended by the Human Rights Committee, including
the exercise of the right to freedom of expression or opinion or the
establishment of groups, organizations or associations based on a political
ideology contrary to the principles of the 1969 revolution (articles 206 and 207
of the Penal Code)

* 96.7. Ensure equality, under the law and in practice, of women, and amend
all discriminatory legal provisions concerning marriage (including polygamy),
male guardianship, child custody, divorce and inheritance, as recommended by
the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women and the
Committee on the Rights of the Child

* 96.9. Reinforce measures to ensure the full investigation of allegations of
torture, disappearances and arbitrary detention, and that it fully prosecutes
and appropriately punishes persons responsible

* 96.11. Respect obligations under ICCPR by freeing persons currently under
administrative detention and by putting an end to arbitrary detention and
torture

Anti-discrimination, right to freedom of expression, equality… That’s just a selection of the list of things they said NO to. Why the heck will they get praise for their human rights record if they’re unwilling to subject to international rights laws? O_o;;

Anonymous

They HATE our freedoms! hahahaha. And if you believe that propaganda, I got a bridge in …

wally58

They HATE our freedoms! hahahaha. And if you believe that propaganda, I got a bridge in …

Anonymous

Radical Leftist huh, kind of like OUR leaders? hahahaha. Take a good look at the last 3 presidents, mein herr. They make this guy look rather harmless compared to their war mongering, war criming, and murderering.

I’m still waiting for REAL justice for the murderers of WACO, El Jefe, when’s that gonna happen? Libya had Human Rights Violations? How does gassing-burning-alive almost 100 US Citizens in their CHURCH sound, poopie?

Anonymous

Do you ask Bill O’Reilly for HIS sources? Prolly not. Only when one wants to demonize an article does one “ask for sources” as if to infer the news is not legit. Bullsh*t.

Drinky McGee

Incoherent drivel.

Drinky McGee

I said I didn’t approve of the intervention. I suppose you take exception because I don’t share your obsessions . . .

Drinky McGee

The mindless parrots of Alex Jones are out in force again.

Drinky McGee

The mindless parrots of Alex Jones are out in force again.

Drinky McGee

The mindless parrots of Alex Jones are out in force again.

Drinky McGee

The mindless parrots of Alex Jones are out in force again.

Drinky McGee

The mindless parrots of Alex Jones are out in force again.

Anonymous

Drinky McGee, you say “Incoherent Drivel” or to put it another way, you cannot refute my claims, or to put another way, you gun is out of ammo. You’d make a good FOX news host as they only demonize other’s comments and praise their own.

wally58

Drinky McGee, you say “Incoherent Drivel” or to put it another way, you cannot refute my claims, or to put another way, you gun is out of ammo. You’d make a good FOX news host as they only demonize other’s comments and praise their own.

Drinky McGee

You made claims? Honestly, I have no idea what you’re saying. If FOX did hire me, I imagine I’d be the first anarchist on their payroll.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7DYA2RJXXVG3INMUFXEUUCNTZA john

i was asking b4 his fake death if any one could care for their citizens like ttha

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7DYA2RJXXVG3INMUFXEUUCNTZA john

i was asking b4 his fake death if any one could care for their citizens like ttha

Drinky McGee

You made claims? Honestly, I have no idea what you’re saying. If FOX did hire me, I imagine I’d be the first anarchist on their payroll.

Anonymous

In prison, you also get free accommodation, all utilities included, and free health care to boot. Does that make you want to live there? Does that make you free? I missed the part where you mention how many Libyans were tortured by Gaddafi (often on behalf of the CIA, with his cooperation with their extraordinary rendition program) and how many were killed only because somebody accused them of not supporting Gaddafi. Why don’t you show this list to an actual Libyan? You know what one would tell you? “If you like him so much, you take him!” Well, a week ago they would have said that, too late now. While I’m no fan of western imperialism, being against the west doesn’t automatically make one a saint. Tyranny is tyranny, let it come from whom it may. Gaddafi was a brutal tyrant who kept his people impoverished and living on handouts. Next I guess you’ll be defending Bashar al-Assad, the Khalifahs, Saleh, and the Saudis?

Uigem

It’s a PITY, the west wants to destroy other countries in all cost and put in their puppet, so that they can run dry the countries resources, let’s see what will the Western run NTC do for Libyans. I truly hope they will improve the Libyans lives.

Uigem

Uigem

It’s a PITY, the west wants to destroy other countries in all cost and put in their puppet, so that they can run dry the countries resources, let’s see what will the Western run NTC do for Libyans. I truly hope they will improve the Libyans lives.

Uigem

Marygoudiesmith

YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T LIVE IN LIBYA OR YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GADAFFI DESPITE THE FACADE, WAS THE PUPPET OF THE WEST WITH SON SAIF IN LINE TO THE THRONE BUT DADDY WAS DRIVEN MAD WITH POWER AND NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF GIVING IT UP IN HIS OWN LIFETIME. I WILL RULE YOU OR I WILL KILL YOU , THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. BEING A RESIDENT OF BENGHAZI I AM INDEBTED TO NATO ALONG WITH ABOUT 700,000 OTHERS IN THIS CITY ALONE. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THE NTC ARE IN NO WAY CONTROLLED BY THE WEST SO I HOPE NATO HAS NOT BEEN COUNTING IT’S CHICKENS BEFORE THEY ARE HATCHED .HOWEVER IN A PARTNERSHIP OF EQUALS LIBYA WILL NOT FORGET THOSE WHO CAME TO HER AID. MANAGED PROPERLY A COUNTRY WITH LIBYA’S RESORCES AND GENEROSITY OF SPIRIT, HAS THE CAPACITY TO BE A BLESSING TO MANY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE MOCKED , INOCENSE DIED AMIDST GADAFFI’S ATROCITIES.

George Berry

In prison, there is no Direct Democracy, where people vote on issues at the local level. Your response shows that you know absolutely nothing about Libya or Gaddafi. You call Gaddafi a “tyrant”. Name a list of laws that the “dictator” has “dictated”. You can’t. All power in Libya was in the hands of the people, until the Puppet Government was installed by NATO. That is why Gaddafi’s popularity among “actual Libyans” was higher that Obama, Cameron, & Sarkozy. By the way, Libya before the “rebels” received international recognition for Human Rights, and had a much lower percentage of her population in prison than the U.S. Those who want the facts should go to http://www.crashareyouready.com

Generalkimber

LOL! In order for the government to “give” all of these wonderful things to it’s “citizens” (read: subjects) the government must first own it. Which means that the people do not. Where does that money come from? The people’s mouths. All that land to give away? Why is it in the dictator’s hands to start with?

No, human being don’t NEED to be nannied in this way…or, they shouldn’t. They need to learn to take care of themselves and not rely on dictators to take EVERY IOTA of property and commodity for redistribution.

Gaddafi (or however it’s being spelled this week) was a blood-thirsty dictator. All you lefties should move to Libya if you need someone to run your life for you and allot you with your share of necessities.

Generalkimber

LOL! In order for the government to “give” all of these wonderful things to it’s “citizens” (read: subjects) the government must first own it. Which means that the people do not. Where does that money come from? The people’s mouths. All that land to give away? Why is it in the dictator’s hands to start with?

No, human being don’t NEED to be nannied in this way…or, they shouldn’t. They need to learn to take care of themselves and not rely on dictators to take EVERY IOTA of property and commodity for redistribution.

Gaddafi (or however it’s being spelled this week) was a blood-thirsty dictator. All you lefties should move to Libya if you need someone to run your life for you and allot you with your share of necessities.

Reason

Perhaps you may think you know how to best run your life, and possibly you do. Regardless, our world, humanity specifically, is falling and this is due to our ever-expanding free will. The more we want the more we get – and boy is it making us greedy. The world should be run forcefully by those who actually know how to, not as a democracy representing a population of which 50% are below average of intelligence.

Marygoudiesmith

And you no doubt believe yoursellf to be among the 50% who are above average intelligence.dictators deliberately try to dumb down the population in order to make them more pliable.however reducing the quality of education or restricting of access to it has no bearing on intelligence, even an illiterate person knows when they when they are being done over. But as with every society Libya had it’s fair share base individuals willing to grovel to gaddafi fo whatever crumbs fell from the masters table. There are also many families some of them double income ,who have lived from hand to mouth seriously bugeting everything else in order to pay private school fees because of terrilble condition within the state schools.changing their car or renewing their furniture simple wasn’t an option when faced with the real possibility of their children not getting a desent start in life. Perhaps in the west people have been getting greedy because the banks made loans so accessible and in some cases conned people into thinking they could afford them. Free will is not ever-expanding , it’s just that in some countries the citizens are allowed to exercise it.libya not being one of them decide to get some of her dignity back along with her freewill, what she does with it now is up to her .PLEASE HAVE THE GOOD GRACE TO WISH HER PEOPLE WELL,JUST MAYBE THEY WILL USE THEIR FREEWILL TO BUILD A MORE EQUITABLE NATION.

I don’t mean to be rude, but this article is not only not true, but it is only simply nave to think that these thousandths of “freedom fighters” where fighting against what you described as a haven in Africa!
Gaddafi was a killer! he should be where he is now! and what happen to him was fortunate to the humen race!

Getit

I don’t mean to be rude, but this article is not only not true, but it is only simply nave to think that these thousandths of “freedom fighters” where fighting against what you described as a haven in Africa!
Gaddafi was a killer! he should be where he is now! and what happen to him was fortunate to the humen race!

The list from above is just a theoretical list. Libyans had to pay for electricity and they didnt get money for marriage as well as they didnt get money when they bought a new car. The vast majority of mothers never have seen a single cent when they gave birth to a child and so on…

The list from above is just a theoretical list. Libyans had to pay for electricity and they didnt get money for marriage as well as they didnt get money when they bought a new car. The vast majority of mothers never have seen a single cent when they gave birth to a child and so on…

Hi, I had a look at http://www2.ohchr.org/english/… and whilst it commented on the various aspect of progress and gave recommendations, I couldn’t see any reference to the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on Colonel Muammar
Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of
human rights.
Can you point me in the right direction?

A Elehmer

You making me lough , misinformation I am Libyan and have not got any of this, lol

A Elehmer

You making me lough , misinformation I am Libyan and have not got any of this, lol

Mekrebs

“Truth is the first casualty of war.” Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood
in War Time, 1928, Page 11.

Mekrebs

“Truth is the first casualty of war.” Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood
in War Time, 1928, Page 11.

Mekrebs

“Truth is the first casualty of war.” Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood
in War Time, 1928, Page 11.

I’ve looked into the Libyan points so brazenly listed by the blogger and have
concluded that while there is some substance to many of these so-called facts,
the list is heavily convoluted and is in fact: MISINFORMATION!

I had some free time and based on several news articles, political
discussion forums and analytical essays, must say that although these perks
apply to some people in Libya, it is by far NOT THE NORM for the bulk of the
population.

You see, in my opinion there are 2
main points that should be considered before making overall statements
concerning general Libyan public welfare. These being: heavy internal and global
isolation and tribal segregation. Libyans as a whole have been largely isolated
from the world and even each other. Libyans
stand almost alone among other Arabs for the extreme isolation they experienced
not only under Qaddafi’s iron-fisted rule but over a decade of international
sanctions for the country’s role in the 1988 bombing of the Pan Am Flight. International
travel was EXTREMELY LIMITED, and the prerogative of a select Qaddafi favorite
few. Until a few years ago, Internet communications were virtually nonexistent
and thus had little opportunity to assemble any meaningful components of civil
society. Political associations, human rights organizations, independent
professional associations or trade unions were all strictly prescribed, and
organized opposition to the “ideology of the 1969 revolution” was punishable by
death.

Let’s
not
forget that life during the depths of communist Hungary also carried
some comparable
‘social-perks’, but what were those worth in the face of living behind
the iron-curtain and the constant fear of being ratted out by a nosy
neighbor for perceived
pro-western / anti-establishment sympathies only to be taken away by the
secret
police and never to be seen again.

Second,
there’s the highly scattered regional tribalism, which still plays a strong role in Libya. The
state provides very little to people outside the main Qaddafi favored inter-connected tribes (namely mostly oil
workers, members of the armed forces and employees of other state structures
with Qaddafi tribal links) and also only within the
major cities. These would be the people who most likely received many of the
perks stated in the blog. As a result, a large portion of the population,
reportedly over 80% relied solely on tribal affiliations for any social
services. Remember that ultimately Qaddafi was ousted mostly by his own people.

So,
although the overall GDP per-capita wasn’t so bad and some people lived quite
comfortably in Libya, Qaddafi was far from the benevolent and sage father-king the
blog would have you believe. However, that’s not to say that the Rothschild’s
and the NWO proponents of our world weren’t the leading instigators of the
current situation from behind the scenes. I just suggest that we stick to the
facts and not resort to so-called counter-propaganda (my bad this time ;-P). But
indeed, as Noam Chomsky has already stated, “Historically Libya has always been
one of our well-known punching-bags. If there’s a problem domestically or in
the region: go bomb Libya. Nobody likes Qaddafi anyhow & nobody’s gonna
defend him.”

Now that the regime is finally toppled and Libyans will likely be depending more
on their individual tribes rather than some sort of central government, national
unity is shot and the play is set for the textbook hostile takeover. Come on
guys: haven’t you read the ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’ this is all
standard operating procedure ;-). Should we still be surprised? This is, as stated
by Gen. Wesley Clark, just another step on the clearly outlined road set by the middle-eastern
policy of our globalist bankster friends.

Anyway,
now this is the part where I would continue to rant on about the NWO, only to
lead into some epic metaphysical conclusion…but I’ll save that for some other
time. Meanwhile, I’ll keep my mouse-click-happy fingers in check. Now it’s time
to hit the sack.

I’ve looked into the Libyan points so brazenly listed by the blogger and have
concluded that while there is some substance to many of these so-called facts,
the list is heavily convoluted and is in fact: MISINFORMATION!

I had some free time and based on several news articles, political
discussion forums and analytical essays, must say that although these perks
apply to some people in Libya, it is by far NOT THE NORM for the bulk of the
population.

You see, in my opinion there are 2
main points that should be considered before making overall statements
concerning general Libyan public welfare. These being: heavy internal and global
isolation and tribal segregation. Libyans as a whole have been largely isolated
from the world and even each other. Libyans
stand almost alone among other Arabs for the extreme isolation they experienced
not only under Qaddafi’s iron-fisted rule but over a decade of international
sanctions for the country’s role in the 1988 bombing of the Pan Am Flight. International
travel was EXTREMELY LIMITED, and the prerogative of a select Qaddafi favorite
few. Until a few years ago, Internet communications were virtually nonexistent
and thus had little opportunity to assemble any meaningful components of civil
society. Political associations, human rights organizations, independent
professional associations or trade unions were all strictly prescribed, and
organized opposition to the “ideology of the 1969 revolution” was punishable by
death.

Let’s
not
forget that life during the depths of communist Hungary also carried
some comparable
‘social-perks’, but what were those worth in the face of living behind
the iron-curtain and the constant fear of being ratted out by a nosy
neighbor for perceived
pro-western / anti-establishment sympathies only to be taken away by the
secret
police and never to be seen again.

Second,
there’s the highly scattered regional tribalism, which still plays a strong role in Libya. The
state provides very little to people outside the main Qaddafi favored inter-connected tribes (namely mostly oil
workers, members of the armed forces and employees of other state structures
with Qaddafi tribal links) and also only within the
major cities. These would be the people who most likely received many of the
perks stated in the blog. As a result, a large portion of the population,
reportedly over 80% relied solely on tribal affiliations for any social
services. Remember that ultimately Qaddafi was ousted mostly by his own people.

So,
although the overall GDP per-capita wasn’t so bad and some people lived quite
comfortably in Libya, Qaddafi was far from the benevolent and sage father-king the
blog would have you believe. However, that’s not to say that the Rothschild’s
and the NWO proponents of our world weren’t the leading instigators of the
current situation from behind the scenes. I just suggest that we stick to the
facts and not resort to so-called counter-propaganda (my bad this time ;-P). But
indeed, as Noam Chomsky has already stated, “Historically Libya has always been
one of our well-known punching-bags. If there’s a problem domestically or in
the region: go bomb Libya. Nobody likes Qaddafi anyhow & nobody’s gonna
defend him.”

Now that the regime is finally toppled and Libyans will likely be depending more
on their individual tribes rather than some sort of central government, national
unity is shot and the play is set for the textbook hostile takeover. Come on
guys: haven’t you read the ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’ this is all
standard operating procedure ;-). Should we still be surprised? This is, as stated
by Gen. Wesley Clark, just another step on the clearly outlined road set by the middle-eastern
policy of our globalist bankster friends.

Anyway,
now this is the part where I would continue to rant on about the NWO, only to
lead into some epic metaphysical conclusion…but I’ll save that for some other
time. Meanwhile, I’ll keep my mouse-click-happy fingers in check. Now it’s time
to hit the sack.

Libihero

could you please post a source to this fairy tale information of gaddafi’s libya? im a libyan who lived in libya and this stuff is either just plain false or totally misrepresented

Libihero

could you please post a source to this fairy tale information of gaddafi’s libya? im a libyan who lived in libya and this stuff is either just plain false or totally misrepresented

Anonymous

If you were one of the richest people in the world and everybody (supposedly) was trying to kill you, wouldn’t you make a fake “snuff film” of your death and release it and then take your film crew to some remote place to enjoy your BILLIONS? If you wouldn’t, you’ll probably believe bin Laden is dead, too.

ideologeme

Rubbish. The UK was already training Gaddafi’s troops, take a look. The other thing is that Libya already had oil agreements with western corporations, hence Gates’ hesitance to enter into the conflict. Talk to Libyans please.

Chris

lol. like the USA hasn’t got the highest incarceration rate in the world, have killed millions in unjust wars, no money in America you get nothing free no health care no education no nothing.

Skinwalker

I just have to comment on this, as a former wife of a Libyan who lived in September Street, Tripoli. Uh.. for a start, we received an electricity bill. You could only get a loan if you knew the right people. The ‘free’ medical often resulted in things like bones being set incorrectly and if anyone had any money they went overseas or to the Swiss Clinic. All that money citizens get? uh… married into Libyan family and never heard about that??? And the great irrigation project is destroying the water table under the Sahara -its a ticking time bomb.
I’d like to add a few things. People were scared to mention ‘his’ name at parties. When they wanted to widen the roads, they went along with a spray can and wrote on the peoples houses that they would no longer own the front room of their property and it would be mowed down for a road on a certain date.
Am I missing the point or was this article supposed to be misinformation…?

Skinwalker

I just have to comment on this, as a former wife of a Libyan who lived in September Street, Tripoli. Uh.. for a start, we received an electricity bill. You could only get a loan if you knew the right people. The ‘free’ medical often resulted in things like bones being set incorrectly and if anyone had any money they went overseas or to the Swiss Clinic. All that money citizens get? uh… married into Libyan family and never heard about that??? And the great irrigation project is destroying the water table under the Sahara -its a ticking time bomb.
I’d like to add a few things. People were scared to mention ‘his’ name at parties. When they wanted to widen the roads, they went along with a spray can and wrote on the peoples houses that they would no longer own the front room of their property and it would be mowed down for a road on a certain date.
Am I missing the point or was this article supposed to be misinformation…?

Saya

A libyan friend replied, clarifying the truth
1) electricity has never been free,,2) we don’t have any Islamic banks , not even one, if u wanna loan,, enjoy the interst because it’s ur only option. that’s wy no one goes for this option
3) A tent?? Go count how many houses each of his sons have in every area in libya
4)the forth point is really funny,, if it was true I wud’ve been a madam now
It’s totally the opposite
5) yeah yeah that’s why we all run to Tunisia if we get a common cold…sad to mention but the education n treatment suck
6) hahahhahahahah yes good luck farming in the desert because all the lands r possessed by his relatives n ppl from his hometown
7) huh??? What the hell?? U r lucky if u could treat urself in the government hospital (one of ur relatives must be SOMETHING there )
8)well I would say that cars r a bit cheaper than here but never dream to get a RM ..I mean a Dinar from the government
9)yes Libya is the cheapest in terms of petrol but u should know that the whole petrol profit including the imported goes directly to gaddafi’s pocket n he declared it in one of his speech saying: the petrol profit is non of ur business
10) I’m not sure about that but,, the country lacks the basic n the simplest facilities so the external debts is the last thing to mention
11) WRONG! Look at the number of unemployed ppl ,, well my brother is oil engineer (in an oil producing country) n he’s not employed yet and there’s no onepaying him even one dinar.
12) hahahahahahahahahahahah
13) wow,, my mother gave birth 12 times(mashallah) n she never received a cent
14) well it’s cheap …to be precise 40 loaves cost 6 RM
15) 25% ????? I don’t understand ,, refer to the P-value
16)hahahahaha yes the contaminated dirty water that no one use …n that he calls ( the 8th wonder of the world)

Saya

A friend from Libya clarified on this, as a poster, I tried to confirm the validity of this article
1) electricity has never been free,,2) we don’t have any Islamic banks , not even one, if u wanna loan,, enjoy the interst because it’s ur only option. that’s wy no one goes for this option
3) A tent?? Go count how many houses each of his sons have in every area in libya
4)the forth point is really funny,, if it was true I wud’ve been a madam now
It’s totally the opposite
5) yeah yeah that’s why we all run to Tunisia if we get a common cold…sad to mention but the education n treatment suck
6) hahahhahahahah yes good luck farming in the desert because all the lands r possessed by his relatives n ppl from his hometown
7) huh??? What the hell?? U r lucky if u could treat urself in the government hospital (one of ur relatives must be SOMETHING there )
8)well I would say that cars r a bit cheaper than here but never dream to get a RM ..I mean a Dinar from the government
9)yes Libya is the cheapest in terms of petrol but u should know that the whole petrol profit including the imported goes directly to gaddafi’s pocket n he declared it in one of his speech saying: the petrol profit is non of ur business
10) I’m not sure about that but,, the country lacks the basic n the simplest facilities so the external debts is the last thing to mention
11) WRONG! Look at the number of unemployed ppl ,, well my brother is oil engineer (in an oil producing country) n he’s not employed yet and there’s no onepaying him even one dinar.
12) hahahahahahahahahahahah
13) wow,, my mother gave birth 12 times(mashallah) n she never received a cent
14) well it’s cheap …to be precise 40 loaves cost 6 RM
15) 25% ????? I don’t understand ,, refer to the P-value
16)hahahahaha yes the contaminated dirty water that no one use …n that he calls ( the 8th wonder of the world)

WHERE DO I START .I’M MARRIED TO A LIBYAN AND HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 1983.
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THECOUNTRY WE PAY FOR ELECTRICTY .WE AVERAGE 35 DINARS A MONTH

BUT THAT CAN DOUBLE IN WINTER BECAUSE OF HEATING AND IN SUMMER WITH THE USE OF AIRCONDITIONING.
2.THERE HAVE NOT BEEN NO-INTEREST LOANS SINCE THE LATE SEVENTIES.
3.HAVING A HOME SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT BUT JUST LESS THAN HALF A MILE FROM HERE MANY LIBYAN HOMELESS FAMILIES LIVE IN DELAPIDATED SHACKS ABANDONED BY A COMPANY YEARS AGO SOME HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS IN SQUALER.
4. NEWLYWEDS DONT GET ONE RED CENT TOWARDS AN APARTMENT,MY SON IN LAW CONVERTED TWO ROOMS FROM HIS PARENTS APARTMENT INTO A TINY STUDIO FOR MY DAUGHTER AN HE.THIS
STORY IS REPEATED NATIONWIDE FOR MANY COUPLES,SOME WITH CHILDREN.
5. NO WAY IS 83 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION LITERATE MOST WOMEN OVER 60 ARE NOT EDUCATED NIETHER ARE ABOUT ONE FIFTH OF THE WOMEN BENEATH AND MANY CHILDREN LEAVE WITHOUT GRADUATING OFTEN LANGUISHING IN THE SAMEGRADE FOR YEARS. SCHOOL IS NOT COMPULSORY.
6. A SELECT FEW WERE GIVEN FARMS IN THE LATE SEVENTIES.HOWEVER THEY WEREN.T ALLOWED TO HIRE HELP, THEREFORE MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO BREAK EVEN.
7.IF YOU NEED MEDICAL HELP OUTSIDE OR WANT TO STUDY YOU NEED CLOUT ON THE BOARD AS THESE THINGS ARE DECIDED BY A COMMITTEE ..LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN HEALTH SYSTEM HAS RESULTED IN PUSHING PEOPLE INTO DEBT IN ORDER TO GET TREATMENT OUTSIDE POPULAR DESTINATIONS ARE EGYPT,JORDAN AND TUNISIA DUE TO AFFORABILTY,
8 THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT PAYS NOTHING TOWARDS THE COST OF A CAR.BUT THOSE IN THE RIGHT CIRCLES MIGHT GET ONE AT COST PRICE.
9 FINALLY SOMETHING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH, LIBYANS PAY NO MORE AT THE PETROL PUMPS THAN ABOUT 150 DIRHAMS PER LITER DEPENDING ON TYPE.
10.RIGHT AGAINI! LIBYAN
ASSETS ABROAD EXEED 150 BILLION AND THEY HAVE NO DEBT. NIETHER SHOULD THEY HAVE CONSIDERING HOW LITTLE OF ITS ENORMOUS WEALTH HAS TRICKLED DOWN TO THE MARGINALIZED MAJORITY.
11.ONCE UPON A TIME NO ONE WHO GRADUATED WAITED LONGER THAN A FEW WEEKS FOR A JOB WITHIN THE CIVIL SERVICE OR THE NATIONALIZED INDUSTRIES. HOWEVER I ONLY KNOW OF BENIFIT BEING PAID WHERE THE FATHER IS UNEMPLOYED, RETIRED OR DEAD . HOWEVER I DO KNOW THAT UNDER GRADUATES COULD APPLY FOR SEASONAL WORK AND GET PAID SOMETIMES WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE JOB ,CORRUPTION WAS RIFE THIS TYPE OF OPPERTUNITY WAS KEPT ON THE DOWN LOW AND NEPATISM AND CRONYISM MEANT THAT THOSE IN CHARGE KEPT MOST OF THE MONEY IN THE FAMILY QUIETLY SIDELINING MANY POSSIBLY ENTITLED STUDENTS.
12.THAT A PORTION OFTHE RECEIPTS FROM OIL SALES IS CREDITED TO EVERY LIBYAN CITIZEN ‘S BANK ACOUNT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE..
13.AND IT’S ANOTHER OUTRAGES LIE THAT MOTHERS IN LIBYA RECEIVES $5,000 EVERY TIME SHE GIVES BIRTH.
14.BREAD IS CHEAP 40 SMALL COSTS 1 DINAR IN POINT OF FACT FLOUR, RICE,OIL AND TOMATO PASTE WERE ALL HUGELY SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE SUBSIDIES WERE BEING GRADUALLY RE-INTRODUCED TO TRY AND AVOID A BACKLASH TO THE GLOBAL PRICE RISES. LIBYANS EAT MEALS THAT ARE HIGH IN CARBOHYDRATES
BECAUSE THEY ARE ECONOMICAL AS OPPOSED TO HIGH PROTEIN MEALS WHICH ARE EXPENSIVE. THIS HAS LED TO A HIGH INCIDENCE OF OBESITY AND TYPE 2 DIABETIS.
15. 25 PERCENT OF PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE A DEGREE.BUT PERHAPS 25 PERCENT OF HIGHSCHOOL GRADUATES GO ON TO COLLEGE BUT NOT ALL COMPLETE THAT
16.THE GREAT MANMADE RIVER PROJECT WAS A WHITE ELEPHANT THAT COST A FORTUNE AND HASN’T DELIVERED AS IT SHOULD. A BUNCH OF DESALINIZATION PLANTS UP AND DOWN THE COAST
WOULD HAVE SUFFICED AT A FRACTION OF THE COST AND CONSIDER HOW EASY IT WAS FOR GADHAFFI ‘S MILITIAS TO CUT OFF THE WATER SUPPLY OF ANY CITY THEY ATTACKED

TO COME TO THE POINT, NOT EVERYTHING IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS UNTRUE AND OFTEN YOU WILL , WITH CLOSER INSPECTION, FIND THAT THE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA WHO ARE TOUTING THE TRUTH,HAVE A WOLF AMONG THE LAMBS SPREADING DISINFORMATION LIKE THE LIST OF 16 THINGS LIBYA WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN. CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT Saya IS EITHER PART OF GADHAFFI’S PROPAGANDA MACHINE OR HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY IT

Marygoudiesmith

WHERE DO I START .I’M MARRIED TO A LIBYAN AND HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 1983.
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THECOUNTRY WE PAY FOR ELECTRICTY .WE AVERAGE 35 DINARS A MONTH

BUT THAT CAN DOUBLE IN WINTER BECAUSE OF HEATING AND IN SUMMER WITH THE USE OF AIRCONDITIONING.
2.THERE HAVE NOT BEEN NO-INTEREST LOANS SINCE THE LATE SEVENTIES.
3.HAVING A HOME SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT BUT JUST LESS THAN HALF A MILE FROM HERE MANY LIBYAN HOMELESS FAMILIES LIVE IN DELAPIDATED SHACKS ABANDONED BY A COMPANY YEARS AGO SOME HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS IN SQUALER.
4. NEWLYWEDS DONT GET ONE RED CENT TOWARDS AN APARTMENT,MY SON IN LAW CONVERTED TWO ROOMS FROM HIS PARENTS APARTMENT INTO A TINY STUDIO FOR MY DAUGHTER AN HE.THIS
STORY IS REPEATED NATIONWIDE FOR MANY COUPLES,SOME WITH CHILDREN.
5. NO WAY IS 83 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION LITERATE MOST WOMEN OVER 60 ARE NOT EDUCATED NIETHER ARE ABOUT ONE FIFTH OF THE WOMEN BENEATH AND MANY CHILDREN LEAVE WITHOUT GRADUATING OFTEN LANGUISHING IN THE SAMEGRADE FOR YEARS. SCHOOL IS NOT COMPULSORY.
6. A SELECT FEW WERE GIVEN FARMS IN THE LATE SEVENTIES.HOWEVER THEY WEREN.T ALLOWED TO HIRE HELP, THEREFORE MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO BREAK EVEN.
7.IF YOU NEED MEDICAL HELP OUTSIDE OR WANT TO STUDY YOU NEED CLOUT ON THE BOARD AS THESE THINGS ARE DECIDED BY A COMMITTEE ..LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN HEALTH SYSTEM HAS RESULTED IN PUSHING PEOPLE INTO DEBT IN ORDER TO GET TREATMENT OUTSIDE POPULAR DESTINATIONS ARE EGYPT,JORDAN AND TUNISIA DUE TO AFFORABILTY,
8 THE LIBYAN GOVERNMENT PAYS NOTHING TOWARDS THE COST OF A CAR.BUT THOSE IN THE RIGHT CIRCLES MIGHT GET ONE AT COST PRICE.
9 FINALLY SOMETHING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH, LIBYANS PAY NO MORE AT THE PETROL PUMPS THAN ABOUT 150 DIRHAMS PER LITER DEPENDING ON TYPE.
10.RIGHT AGAINI! LIBYAN
ASSETS ABROAD EXEED 150 BILLION AND THEY HAVE NO DEBT. NIETHER SHOULD THEY HAVE CONSIDERING HOW LITTLE OF ITS ENORMOUS WEALTH HAS TRICKLED DOWN TO THE MARGINALIZED MAJORITY.
11.ONCE UPON A TIME NO ONE WHO GRADUATED WAITED LONGER THAN A FEW WEEKS FOR A JOB WITHIN THE CIVIL SERVICE OR THE NATIONALIZED INDUSTRIES. HOWEVER I ONLY KNOW OF BENIFIT BEING PAID WHERE THE FATHER IS UNEMPLOYED, RETIRED OR DEAD . HOWEVER I DO KNOW THAT UNDER GRADUATES COULD APPLY FOR SEASONAL WORK AND GET PAID SOMETIMES WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE JOB ,CORRUPTION WAS RIFE THIS TYPE OF OPPERTUNITY WAS KEPT ON THE DOWN LOW AND NEPATISM AND CRONYISM MEANT THAT THOSE IN CHARGE KEPT MOST OF THE MONEY IN THE FAMILY QUIETLY SIDELINING MANY POSSIBLY ENTITLED STUDENTS.
12.THAT A PORTION OFTHE RECEIPTS FROM OIL SALES IS CREDITED TO EVERY LIBYAN CITIZEN ‘S BANK ACOUNT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE..
13.AND IT’S ANOTHER OUTRAGES LIE THAT MOTHERS IN LIBYA RECEIVES $5,000 EVERY TIME SHE GIVES BIRTH.
14.BREAD IS CHEAP 40 SMALL COSTS 1 DINAR IN POINT OF FACT FLOUR, RICE,OIL AND TOMATO PASTE WERE ALL HUGELY SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE SUBSIDIES WERE BEING GRADUALLY RE-INTRODUCED TO TRY AND AVOID A BACKLASH TO THE GLOBAL PRICE RISES. LIBYANS EAT MEALS THAT ARE HIGH IN CARBOHYDRATES
BECAUSE THEY ARE ECONOMICAL AS OPPOSED TO HIGH PROTEIN MEALS WHICH ARE EXPENSIVE. THIS HAS LED TO A HIGH INCIDENCE OF OBESITY AND TYPE 2 DIABETIS.
15. 25 PERCENT OF PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE A DEGREE.BUT PERHAPS 25 PERCENT OF HIGHSCHOOL GRADUATES GO ON TO COLLEGE BUT NOT ALL COMPLETE THAT
16.THE GREAT MANMADE RIVER PROJECT WAS A WHITE ELEPHANT THAT COST A FORTUNE AND HASN’T DELIVERED AS IT SHOULD. A BUNCH OF DESALINIZATION PLANTS UP AND DOWN THE COAST
WOULD HAVE SUFFICED AT A FRACTION OF THE COST AND CONSIDER HOW EASY IT WAS FOR GADHAFFI ‘S MILITIAS TO CUT OFF THE WATER SUPPLY OF ANY CITY THEY ATTACKED

TO COME TO THE POINT, NOT EVERYTHING IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS UNTRUE AND OFTEN YOU WILL , WITH CLOSER INSPECTION, FIND THAT THE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA WHO ARE TOUTING THE TRUTH,HAVE A WOLF AMONG THE LAMBS SPREADING DISINFORMATION LIKE THE LIST OF 16 THINGS LIBYA WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN. CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT Saya IS EITHER PART OF GADHAFFI’S PROPAGANDA MACHINE OR HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY IT

Megatron

This is not necessarily true. Think of this, how many people get married in a year? How many babies are born everyday? But I agree the fact the their economy was good because they had no dept and oil prices were good. But the other facts are nothing but lies.

Megatron

This is not necessarily true. Think of this, how many people get married in a year? How many babies are born everyday? But I agree the fact the their economy was good because they had no dept and oil prices were good. But the other facts are nothing but lies.

USA

If you cannot afford healthcare or education in America they are provided for you….. Quit lying you Moron

Reason

Perhaps you may think you know how to best run your life, and possibly you do. Regardless, our world, humanity specifically, is falling and this is due to our ever-expanding free will. The more we want the more we get – and boy is it making us greedy. The world should be run forcefully by those who actually know how to, not as a democracy representing a population of which 50% are below average of intelligence.

Reason

Perhaps you may think you know how to best run your life, and possibly you do. Regardless, our world, humanity specifically, is falling and this is due to our ever-expanding free will. The more we want the more we get – and boy is it making us greedy. The world should be run forcefully by those who actually know how to, not as a democracy representing a population of which 50% are below average of intelligence.

Reason

Perhaps you may think you know how to best run your life, and possibly you do. Regardless, our world, humanity specifically, is falling and this is due to our ever-expanding free will. The more we want the more we get – and boy is it making us greedy. The world should be run forcefully by those who actually know how to, not as a democracy representing a population of which 50% are below average of intelligence.

Nope

healthcare isnt provided, which is why i havent had insurance in over a decade and a half. You have to be a minor, elderly, or pregnant to get the “healthcare” quotes for what is provided being the bottom of the barrel county system. and yes up through highschool education is provided, and some limited grants that would get you through a community college for an associates degree. but I dont see healthcare or college grants surviving the coming purge on “socialist” programs in the US, and the school system is already a prison preparation/daycare system anyway.

Dean Mcinerney

Thats nonsense, if a service is inadequate, ie. You dont get educated properly, and you dont get healed then it isnt a service, its windowdressing. In Australia, our Neoliberal Government began to Americanise our Health System some years ago cutting back Medicare and pushing private health schemes. Medical insurance is too expensive for many people and the waiting lists are now too long. In order to window dress they reclassified a whole bunch of vital procedures as “elective” and reclassified conditions like sleep apnea as non-life threatening. This is how things go, reclassification is the best tool for rationing and rationalising.
Plus the level of literacy in America is woeful, its citizens are not educated about the world properly in school (ie.they mostly study their own history), and this is why the country is in such a pickle, and its people are so ignorant even though they are so affluent. I have lived there for a year so I do have first hand experience.

LIBEI

You are tipical layer BIG DOT.

Misinformation

I’m not commenting on the rest of your post, as I have not done enough reading to verify it or deny. But, in my opinion, you do your position no favors by claiming (even if true) that the UN was going to give some vacuous award to Gaddafi. The UN is the same organization that helped bomb the shit out of Libya. So they’re either confused and/or a poor basis for your argument. Here’s one more example of an award I’d steer clear of using to pad an argument: Nobel Peace Prize – three names, Kissinger, Arafat, Obama.

Marygoudiesmith

And you no doubt believe yoursellf to be among the 50% who are above average intelligence.dictators deliberately try to dumb down the population in order to make them more pliable.however reducing the quality of education or restricting of access to it has no bearing on intelligence, even an illiterate person knows when they when they are being done over. But as with every society Libya had it’s fair share base individuals willing to grovel to gaddafi fo whatever crumbs fell from the masters table. There are also many families some of them double income ,who have lived from hand to mouth seriously bugeting everything else in order to pay private school fees because of terrilble condition within the state schools.changing their car or renewing their furniture simple wasn’t an option when faced with the real possibility of their children not getting a desent start in life. Perhaps in the west people have been getting greedy because the banks made loans so accessible and in some cases conned people into thinking they could afford them. Free will is not ever-expanding , it’s just that in some countries the citizens are allowed to exercise it.libya not being one of them decide to get some of her dignity back along with her freewill, what she does with it now is up to her .PLEASE HAVE THE GOOD GRACE TO WISH HER PEOPLE WELL,JUST MAYBE THEY WILL USE THEIR FREEWILL TO BUILD A MORE EQUITABLE NATION.

Marygoudiesmith

YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T LIVE IN LIBYA OR YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GADAFFI DESPITE THE FACADE, WAS THE PUPPET OF THE WEST WITH SON SAIF IN LINE TO THE THRONE BUT DADDY WAS DRIVEN MAD WITH POWER AND NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF GIVING IT UP IN HIS OWN LIFETIME. I WILL RULE YOU OR I WILL KILL YOU , THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. BEING A RESIDENT OF BENGHAZI I AM INDEBTED TO NATO ALONG WITH ABOUT 700,000 OTHERS IN THIS CITY ALONE. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE THE NTC ARE IN NO WAY CONTROLLED BY THE WEST SO I HOPE NATO HAS NOT BEEN COUNTING IT’S CHICKENS BEFORE THEY ARE HATCHED .HOWEVER IN A PARTNERSHIP OF EQUALS LIBYA WILL NOT FORGET THOSE WHO CAME TO HER AID. MANAGED PROPERLY A COUNTRY WITH LIBYA’S RESORCES AND GENEROSITY OF SPIRIT, HAS THE CAPACITY TO BE A BLESSING TO MANY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE MOCKED , INOCENSE DIED AMIDST GADAFFI’S ATROCITIES.

Marygoudiesmith

WHO THE DEVIL ARE YOU? OBVIOUSLY NOT ONE OF THOSE WHO WERE IMPRISONED, TORTURED,RAPED ,AND KILLED FOR SAYING THAT ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH.RULE BY THE PEOPLE WAS AN UTTER SHAM IN LIBYA.BEFORE FEBRUARY 17TH MY SON .JUST ONE OF THE DISILLUSIONED YOUTH WOULD SAY TO ME GIVE ME MY PASSAPORT AND LET ME LEAVE.BETTER A TRASH COLLECTER IN THE U.K. THAN AN ENGINEER IN LIBYA. I LOST A LOT OF SLEEP OFTEN STAYING UP TILL DAWN CONVINCING HIM TO STAY IN SCHOOL AND BELIEVE ME IT WAS A STRUGGLE TO KEEP HIM HANGING ON . BUT ONCE HE SEEN THE OTHERS WERE WILLING TO FACE DOWN THE TYRANT HE BECAME INSPIRED , THERE WAS HOPE , LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS LIKE HIM HE VOLUNTEERED,DID HIS TRAINING AN AND WENT TO THE FRONT.THE ONLY MERCENARIES IN THIS WAR WERE PART OF GADAFFI’S MALITIAS . AS FOR FUNDAMENTALIST ,WELL THAT HAS BEEN AN OVER ABUSED WORD FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DECADES. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE MODERATE AND IF SOME SEEM A LITTLE OVER ZEALOUS IT ‘S BECAUSE OF THE TIDE OF CORRUPTION THEY’VE HAD TO SWIM AGAINST ALL THESE YEARS. HE SCARY THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS ,IS THAT WESTERN MEDIA HAS BEEN FOR THE BEST PART BEEN REPORTING THE FACTS ON THE GROUND AS THEY WERE. I’VE BEEN HERE , BUT YOU CERTAINLY HAVE NOT.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLFRD7CRK6PJJPL66W46WMUWBM Where's the common sense

I’ve seen the info in this post before, from 2009 if not earlier. My question now as it was then – where are the references for this? Not a big fan of our having invaded Lybia, but before I get on the “told you so” bandwagon, I’d like to know if these “facts” listed are actually facts.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KLFRD7CRK6PJJPL66W46WMUWBM Where's the common sense

I’ve seen the info in this post before, from 2009 if not earlier. My question now as it was then – where are the references for this? Not a big fan of our having invaded Lybia, but before I get on the “told you so” bandwagon, I’d like to know if these “facts” listed are actually facts.

http://www.facebook.com/reese.sd Maurice Downes

Oh. Well I guess this all does justify ordering killings of his own citizens.

My bad.

http://www.facebook.com/reese.sd Maurice Downes

Oh. Well I guess this all does justify ordering killings of his own citizens.

My bad.

Rogoraeck

“The family of an unarmed
African-American woman who was killed by authorities outside Capitol
Hill in Washington, D.C., has disputed officials’ accounts that she was
delusional, saying there might have been another story than what they
have been told.”
Gadhafi did it??

Asdasdasd

Yeah, and these are just the reason a popular rebellion started.

Asdasdasd

Yeah, and these are just the reason a popular rebellion started.

Edwina Dunbar-Johnson

TRUE THAT. Someone who knows the DEAL. He was KILLED because of those and other REASONS. JEALOUSY is a BITCH. They want his people to SUFFER just like we are SUFFERING here in this Land-Of-Opportunity as this place is called, NOT……

Ibrahim ahmed

There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true, far from it in fact. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.Each lie is in BOLD and the facts stated underneath. A few additional bs rumours are also included below, taken from similar messages which have been in circulation lately.NB. Please find additional info relating to Gaddafi’s Crimes since 1969 http://goo.gl/m2XUk Put some time in doing some proper research before believing anything and everything you’re fed by either ignorant fools or filthy gaddafi loyalist scum who benefited from Libya’s riches over the years!
1. There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya. 3. A House is considered a human right in Libya’s Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
Late 70’s – The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
90’s – The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital. 4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard. 6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given. 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque. 8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car.Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard. The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin. 9. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.” 10. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent. 11. A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.No basis to this claim as no such case can be found. 12. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation. 13. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar. 14. 25% of Libyans have a university degreeThe absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone. Furthermore, most of the these 25% are people like myself, my brother and many others around the world, who earned their degree abroad and had nothing to do with gaddaffi or his regime. 15. Gaddafi carried out the world¹s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River

Ibrahim ahmed

There are a lot of people defending Muammer Gaddafi and his regime by stating living conditions and infrastructure in Libya was world class, and all the people in the country enjoyed unimaginable wealth. This is not true, far from it in fact. The Gaddafi regime was rife with corruption and deception. Who you know was more important than who you were as a person, with many basic services being only available to the highest bidders.Each lie is in BOLD and the facts stated underneath. A few additional bs rumours are also included below, taken from similar messages which have been in circulation lately.NB. Please find additional info relating to Gaddafi’s Crimes since 1969 http://goo.gl/m2XUk Put some time in doing some proper research before believing anything and everything you’re fed by either ignorant fools or filthy gaddafi loyalist scum who benefited from Libya’s riches over the years!
1. There are no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya. 3. A House is considered a human right in Libya’s Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while he, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history:1969 – The dreaded Green Revolution. Free Officers were rewarded land, homes, and farms that sometimes belonged to other people and the original owners were not compensated or asked if this was ok.
Late 70’s – The introduction of the law Albayt le Sakinehee – The Home Belongs to its Dwellers. As this law was passed overnight, thousands of homeowners instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
90’s – The introduction of Purification Committees (Lejnat al Tatheer). This committee ran by the widely know slogan, ‘Min ayna laka hada?’ – “From where did you obtain this?”, a form of ultra-socialism where people’s possessions, including homes and businesses, were confiscated if seen to be ‘surplus to requirement’ or contributing to a ‘monopoly’.Regarding Gaddafis ‘vow’: While Gaddafi waited for ‘everyone in Libya’ to be housed, he himself lived in a sprawling 6km square compound in the centre of the capital which was home to state of the art security and an underground network of rooms and ultramodern bunkers. He also had a vast and well known farm on Airport Road in Tripoli. This, just in the capital. 4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc.It is commonly said that Libyans would be happy to forfeit their ‘free health care’ and pay for a National Health Service if it was up to the required standard. 6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and Livestock to kick- start their farms all for free.This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.The owners of the land were only compensated if there was a covered structure on the land as the Gaddafi regime legally owned any land and the people were only allowed to build on it. When there was compensation offered it was nowhere near the actual value of the property and many waited years to receive anything if at all. This system was also rife with corruption many residents told they had to pay a bribe to receive what little they were given. 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it not only free but they get $2, 300/month accommodation and car allowance.Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque. 8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government pays 50% of the price. ‎The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car.Whilst the price of fuel is indeed cheap, the quality of roads, the accuracy and availability of road signs, the presence of road traffic police, and all other transport infrastructure is of abysmal standard. The absence of an integrated and functional public transport system means that people are reliant on their cars for all movement and might end up paying more on fuel than our neighbours around the Mediterranean basin. 9. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion now frozen globally.Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.” 10. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent. 11. A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.No basis to this claim as no such case can be found. 12. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation. 13. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar. 14. 25% of Libyans have a university degreeThe absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone. Furthermore, most of the these 25% are people like myself, my brother and many others around the world, who earned their degree abroad and had nothing to do with gaddaffi or his regime. 15. Gaddafi carried out the world¹s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available.The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River

Rogoraeck

Why aren’t you dancing in the street?

Marlin

That sound like something Irish person would say ! 😛

Marlin

The Libyan are going learn all about Capitalism now ! lol

Marlin

One thing i have learn about life . A GREEDIE person is never needed person ! True Capatlism is Greed !lol

Marlin

One thing i have learn about life . A GREEDIE person is never needed person ! True Capatlism is Greed !lol

Lukeanderson

this is all a sharaud. its oil. thats it. we want it, he was going somewhere else. we killed him. same thing we did with saddam.

wars over oil.
just think of the OFF SHORE capabiliteis! no more oil in the dirt.
watch “collapse”, its on netflix streaming. or online. enlighten yourselves.

and if you wish to critisize me. go ahead. i’m not a reasonable source i’m a concerned human being who places the most logical explination upon the problem.

why did we go to iraq?
free the people.
what about libya?

Lukeanderson

this is all a sharaud. its oil. thats it. we want it, he was going somewhere else. we killed him. same thing we did with saddam.

wars over oil.
just think of the OFF SHORE capabiliteis! no more oil in the dirt.
watch “collapse”, its on netflix streaming. or online. enlighten yourselves.

and if you wish to critisize me. go ahead. i’m not a reasonable source i’m a concerned human being who places the most logical explination upon the problem.

why did we go to iraq?
free the people.
what about libya?

Cerak2

I don’t have a healt care …please give me a precise instruction how to get it ….you delusional moron !

Cerak2

Several American presidents were attacked AND KILLED ! Does it mean that ( according to your statement ) American people are not taken care of ?!

Cerak2

Several American presidents were attacked AND KILLED ! Does it mean that ( according to your statement ) American people are not taken care of ?!

Cerak2

Several American presidents were attacked AND KILLED ! Does it mean that ( according to your statement ) American people are not taken care of ?!

Fadeev2

hahaha is paid by cia…

Fadeev2

hahaha is paid by cia…

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

well said.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

The situation in the USA does not detract from Gadaffi tyranny, his military/energy fascism, tyranny is tyranny. And everyone, even immigrants get free basic education in USA.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

Responding to general mood in these posts: Libya will have to deal with “capitalism” now, they”ll probably experience the same oligarchal perverted version of capitalism that we experience here in the USA. Sucks for them, just like it sucks for us. But comparing Libya and the USA as if we can understand the tyranny they have experienced… as if we’re trying to prove some sophomoric argument that “the UN ruined Libya with drones” is just asinine. There is no comparison. You have no idea what you are talking about unless you are Libyan. This vitriol isn’t even about Libya it’s about your own personal emotions toward your own personal battle….that I share with you…. THIS 16 POINTS OF BULLSHIT is just that..BS Most of these 16 points are hilarious lies, this is fascist propaganda…. I tell myself all the time “beware of falling for fascist propaganda” Thanks

http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Turner/1122580318 Matt Turner

Responding to general mood in these posts: Libya will have to deal with “capitalism” now, they”ll probably experience the same oligarchal perverted version of capitalism that we experience here in the USA. Sucks for them, just like it sucks for us. But comparing Libya and the USA as if we can understand the tyranny they have experienced… as if we’re trying to prove some sophomoric argument that “the UN ruined Libya with drones” is just asinine. There is no comparison. You have no idea what you are talking about unless you are Libyan. This vitriol isn’t even about Libya it’s about your own personal emotions toward your own personal battle….that I share with you…. THIS 16 POINTS OF BULLSHIT is just that..BS Most of these 16 points are hilarious lies, this is fascist propaganda…. I tell myself all the time “beware of falling for fascist propaganda” Thanks

Queen Mennon

yes, the facist propaganda of your comments. the west lied. the CIA armed the “rebels” and encouraged them. the majority of lybians supported gadhaffi. stop your lies.

Kais Osman

Rubbish. The above is a lie. We were lucky to receive our salary on time.

Kais Osman

Rubbish. The above is a lie. We were lucky to receive our salary on time.

Kais Osman

Rubbish. The above is a lie. We were lucky to receive our salary on time.

Peter Rigg

This is news to me (and I suspect to most Europeans) – but it sounds remarkably similar to the state of Iraq before the US invasion. Question: how much are we willing to give up to achieve “freedom”?

Peter Rigg

This is news to me (and I suspect to most Europeans) – but it sounds remarkably similar to the state of Iraq before the US invasion. Question: how much are we willing to give up to achieve “freedom”?

Calu

its true you fool do your histery

Iranbaan

Poor Libyans. If you think you will have a better life, better education, better health care under the future regime, you are wrong.
As wrong as we Iranians were when we thought Khomeini is a saint.
At Shah’s time we had everything, except political freedom and even that, was gradually coming. Now, we have nothing. We have lost all the individual and social freedoms that we had. Our economy is ruined. Our money has been devalued 300 times (30,000%). Six million educated Iranians have fled the country.
All this happened because the Shah intended to impose new terms on giant Oil companies. The same mistake that Ghaddafi made.
Nato’s intervention in Libya was not to protect the people, but the interest of the Oil companies.
The future will show.

Iranbaan

Poor Libyans. If you think you will have a better life, better education, better health care under the future regime, you are wrong.
As wrong as we Iranians were when we thought Khomeini is a saint.
At Shah’s time we had everything, except political freedom and even that, was gradually coming. Now, we have nothing. We have lost all the individual and social freedoms that we had. Our economy is ruined. Our money has been devalued 300 times (30,000%). Six million educated Iranians have fled the country.
All this happened because the Shah intended to impose new terms on giant Oil companies. The same mistake that Ghaddafi made.
Nato’s intervention in Libya was not to protect the people, but the interest of the Oil companies.
The future will show.

Zeina

Why not !!! This is the truth that everyone does not believe !!!!!
I am student in Canada and receive $2.300 a month and if I am married the living allowance will be more than that depend on my family members.

This is to cover room and board and personal expenses. . We have full medical and dental insurance for the complete period of our stay in Canada . The program also pays on behalf of students all compulsory tuition fees.

I swear by God all of the above things are True in Libya.

carlos

i dont believe a single dammit word than you say…is very easy to write, I think, and is more easy accept some payment…every man have a price, but some of them are in offer…

http://twitter.com/jankeepitreal jan

Poverty is crisis creation….if a country is rich in oil why are people really starving? Are they really? Crisis creation….

Maicodesir

we need no electricity bill in the u.s. we the citizens work too hard that’s all i have to say

HABIB

Totally not true.

Queen Mennon

says you.

ter ber

So in other words Gaddafi shared the oil profits with the people. How nice of him. Thats why the NWO global elite had to kill him. beholdapalehorse.tv

Queen Mennon

this is the dictator that had to go. america is too wicked.

Rogoraeck

But…. But… The people of Libya are dancing in the street full of joy now, that they have FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY! Thanks To Good Ole US of America , NATO & the “International Community”. Which saved them from the “hated” dictator!

khaled

maybe in your dream now after 3 year of that bad riot in Libya, Libya become save heaven for terrorist and fanatics + killing + kidnapping ransom not a single institution working the country is brought on its nee