here we go. everyone gets mad at the Christians for attacking the gays, but it's socially acceptable to say shit like that...

.... and like it or not, the rest of the country is not as religious as the armpit where you live - and the country as a whole is becoming less religious demographically so have fun with your societal expectations.

you live in TN so i can see how it would be easy to forget, but this is America - we have freedom of speech.

i am free to say whatever the fuck i want about all of the world's bullshit religions.

idiot xians are free to say whatever retarded bigoted shit they want to - and whoever wants to boycott them for it is free to do so as well.

Honestly I don't have a problem with your free speech, and just because I live in TN doesn't make me some redneck moron who doesn't understand this. All I meant was that whenever some crazy fundamentalist nutjob christian spouts crazy hate speech about another group, everyone and their brother comes to their defense. Can't say it's the same way when someone says stuff about the religious types.

and settle down dude, this was a pretty civil debate until you rolled in...

As someone who is fiscally conservative, I can wholeheartedly say that my issues (and I lean Republican) deal soley with real issues, not social issues.

Right. Because social issues aren't "real" issues. Because you say so.

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You have been listening to too much TV, which of course paints conservatives as bible thumpers...it's all part of the Liberal propaganda to turn elections into social discussion, vs economic discussion.

Right. It's actually the dems who said that atheists shouldn't be able to hold office, even though everyone thinks dubya said it. It's actually dems who spend half their primaries (or more) obsessing about who's a xian and who isn't, and whether this or that branch is xian enough. It's actually dems who are intimately linked with the Pro-Life movement. Gimme a break.

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And Jesus was a Liberal? Let's just say the Bible preaches more about working hard and earning it for yourself (Capitalist) than socialist. The bible preaches not expecting anyone to do anything for you, and to work hard, be a good person, and earn it yourself.

Are you fucking kidding me? How about "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle...". How about "give away everything you have and follow me" How about "ask and it shall be given". Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that Jesus would approve of a bunch of people who think carrying an automatic weapon is a god-given right, and who think giving up part of your money to help the less fortunate is somehow evil?

Nolefan, you seem to think that if you just spout absurdities with enough confidence, people will doubt their memory. Try to regain a grasp of reality, ok? Individual effort and social conscience are not mutually contradictory, except to a republican.

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Start with David vs Goliath....

I always get a kick out of how xians will quote the old testament when it suits them, but dismiss it as "not relevant" when it doesn't. And even then, pick and choose. Homosexuality is evil, but wearing two kinds of cloth isn't. Even though they're in the same section of the same book of the same bible, and have essentially the same punishment. But somehow, one is no longer required because Jesus "fulfilled" the requirements, but the other is still outstanding, because xians don't like gays.

here we go. everyone gets mad at the Christians for attacking the gays, but it's socially acceptable to say shit like that...

Generally speaking (and there are always exceptions) these types of issues start with the xians saying something about the gays. This is not a symmetrical situation, even disregarding that. The things that set off the xians (on this subject) don't affect them in any meaningful way, and those things are protected by the constitution. When xians start up, their implied purpose is to limit those rights. When we go off on xians, we are not attempting to limit their rights, we are just providing blunt feedback.

And BTW, if you allow your freedom-of-speech right to verbally attack gays, then you are by extension allowing our freedom-of-speech right to verbally attack xians.

I wouldn't. Jesus was some combination of socialist and communist. That's why the Lutherans used to have debates on whether he actually owned his own clothes

I don't doubt that the repubs are trying to "re-remember" the bible with Jesus as a Joh-Deere-hat-wearing, gun-toting, tabakki-spittin' southern-drawl-twangin' good-ol-boy, but a good read of the bible for comprehension tells you something entirely different.

Generally speaking (and there are always exceptions) these types of issues start with the xians saying something about the gays. This is not a symmetrical situation, even disregarding that. The things that set off the xians (on this subject) don't affect them in any meaningful way, and those things are protected by the constitution. When xians start up, their implied purpose is to limit those rights. When we go off on xians, we are not attempting to limit their rights, we are just providing blunt feedback.

And BTW, if you allow your freedom-of-speech right to verbally attack gays, then you are by extension allowing our freedom-of-speech right to verbally attack xians.

I see what you mean, I guess I just get upset when people paint with broad stokes about Christians.

We aren't all fire and brimstone snake handlers who want to limit the rights of homosexuals or anyone else for that matter. Granted, the idiots who speak the loudest give that impressions I suppose.

EDIT: So after re-reading everything on the last page, I can see why it's frustrating for you guys dealing with "xians". I suppose I'm somewhat in the minority of that group, because I don't agree with them bashing gays or any of their other social stances either. With that said, I shouldn't have taken what ShredLife said personal.

I see what you mean, I guess I just get upset when people paint with broad stokes about Christians.

We aren't all fire and brimstone snake handlers who want to limit the rights of homosexuals or anyone else for that matter. Granted, the idiots who speak the loudest give that impressions I suppose.

EDIT: So after re-reading everything on the last page, I can see why it's frustrating for you guys dealing with "xians". I suppose I'm somewhat in the minority of that group, because I don't agree with them bashing gays or any of their other social stances either. With that said, I shouldn't have taken what ShredLife said personal.

My apologies ShredLife.

backstop, there are a number of xians on this website who, like you, are live-and-let-live types. I'd be the first to admit that sometimes the broad strokes splatter too widely. I could include a disclaimer with every post, but hell I can't even type "christian" instead of "xian". BTW, that is just laziness -- there's no implied meaning to 'xian'.

Unfortunately for you, the Falwells of the world will continue to complain about teletubbies and thereby paint xians with a different kind of brush...