Rebounding killing us yet again. We have plenty of perimeter talent and a very solid game plan especially defensively, but we just can't rebound. That's the bottom line.

12-11-2010, 06:12 PM

kester99

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Good close-out to the half.

32-31 KU

12-11-2010, 06:16 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

I don't care how bad you think Crean is on the X's and O's (which I don't think he's nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be) how can you not love the passion this guy has on the sidelines? That's what you need especially right now. He totally understands what Indiana basketball means and he's coaching IU/UK like it should be coached.

12-11-2010, 06:31 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Cristian Watford>Terrence Jones

12-11-2010, 06:45 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

****ing second chance points man...damn.

12-11-2010, 06:51 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

I don't think Kentucky actually has an offense.

12-11-2010, 06:52 PM

Blink

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

This is a great game.

12-11-2010, 06:55 PM

Ransom

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Only seen a few minutes, but this IU team does not look intimidated at all on the road against these wildcats.

12-11-2010, 07:05 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

****, that was a killer stretch right there. So many chances to push the lead to a two possession game then we give up the three and follow with a foul...Ugh!

12-11-2010, 07:20 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

LOL the reffing down the stretch has been so unbalanced it's not even funny.

12-12-2010, 03:35 AM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader Joe

I don't think Kentucky actually has an offense.

I don't think Indiana actually has an offense...

12-12-2010, 03:37 AM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trader Joe

I don't care how bad you think Crean is on the X's and O's (which I don't think he's nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be) how can you not love the passion this guy has on the sidelines? That's what you need especially right now. He totally understands what Indiana basketball means and he's coaching IU/UK like it should be coached.

Meh...his X's and O's aren't great. Really makes me wonder sometimes. Taking the recruiting aspect out of it...I trust Obie more with actual coaching than I do Crean.

12-23-2010, 05:27 AM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Terrible loss tonight against an opponent that we absolutely should have beaten. There should only be one loss for this team right now (@Kentucky). This game was a big blow, and I still think we should have won the game at BC. Crean...I am not sold on this guy's coaching ability. I maintain what I said in the previous post: his X's and O's are subpar.

12-23-2010, 01:05 PM

pacer4ever

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by travmil

If any local folks haven't been out to Warren Central to see Davis play, make the trip. I'm not going to say the kids a sure fire star...yet. I saw him play 7 times last year. What I liked most about him was that he played well, making smart decisions in all types of situations. What I like more is that he raised his game against his toughest opponents, often dominating in games against what was supposed to be a challenge. Not super strong but VERY athletic so he gets a lot of rebounds. He might have to change up his tactics in college where pretty much every team can box out. Very smooth with the ball, has shooting guard handles even though for WC he mostly plays forward and they will even run the offense through him in the post. Lots of spin moves, including a lethal spin where he will drive in to the basket from either baseline, spin left or right depending and get a short jumper or layup. I found this vid of him on Youtube from summer ball where he showcases the spin I'm talking about at the very end of the video.

Ive seen Devin Play servral times we go to the same school. He is playing pretty well I just wish we had a better team he could play with. But we have good coaches who will have him ready to make the next step to collge ball.

12-23-2010, 01:08 PM

pacer4ever

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Did anyone catch Trey Lyles last night. Tech was the game of the week on tv 40. He is insane for a freshman. He dribbles like a SG guard and even plays the SG some times and is 6"9 insane.

12-23-2010, 05:25 PM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacer4ever

Ive seen Devin Play servral times we go to the same school. He is playing pretty well I just wish we had a better team he could play with. But we have good coaches who will have him ready to make the next step to collge ball.

I went to the Cathedral/Warren Central game earlier this season. Hartman definitely looked better than Davis in that game, but you can tell the talent is there with DD.

12-23-2010, 09:45 PM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

This team is too ****ing frustrating to watch. I'm telling you right now, I don't care how good of talent he brings in, Crean will never be the guy to get this program over the top. We should not have lost to either of these ****ing teams in Vegas. Pisses me the **** off.

12-28-2010, 08:46 AM

D-BONE

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Penn State loss reaction?

I thought they looked like a better team, primarily due to superior length, athleticism, experience. Add to that IU's inability to defend, especially early on, and rebound.

I just don't see how IU can expect more than a few B10 wins (if that) with such a non-existent inside rotation. Indy Star reports Watford was playing with back spasms. Personally, I don't see enough improvement and desire out of him or Elston when compared against quality competition. A lot of that is on Crean's developmental work.

Also completely disagree with the amount of dribbling Jones is charged with for a guy with very iffy handles. I get that in part its a function of the offense, but it's just indefensible to me. Rivers, despite his limited offense, is the best ballhandler and smartest player on the team. Hulls is next. I'd have Rivers as a starter and the team leader along with Hulls.

12-28-2010, 06:15 PM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

If Crean didn't have these super classes coming in, I think he would be feeling the heat right about now. There is only one acceptable loss on our schedule--at Kentucky. The offense is much, much worse than O'Brien's, the players have different agendas, the defensive effort is abysmal, and we are making the same mistakes we have the past two years with Crean at the helm. I don't like him.

01-09-2011, 08:43 PM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Fire him. I don't give a **** about his recruiting classes. The guy can't coach them. ****ing embarrassing. This guy is awful. I would much, MUCH rather watch a Jim O'Brien coached team than a Tom Crean coached team.

01-09-2011, 09:07 PM

pacer4ever

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdash

Fire him. I don't give a **** about his recruiting classes. The guy can't coach them. ****ing embarrassing. This guy is awful. I would much, MUCH rather watch a Jim O'Brien coached team than a Tom Crean coached team.

U really want to fire him and lose lyles,Davis,and all the other top recruits?? I doubt that will happen but it could. Wait till they get Zeller then judge.

01-09-2011, 09:11 PM

Bball

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

I gotta admit... I'm starting to get concerned.

01-09-2011, 09:43 PM

Shade

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Wow, talk about regression. That was ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

01-09-2011, 10:14 PM

cdash

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacer4ever

U really want to fire him and lose lyles,Davis,and all the other top recruits?? I doubt that will happen but it could. Wait till they get Zeller then judge.

It won't happen. I know this. I accept this. But IU is an extremely poorly coached team. The offense is a trainwreck, and the defense is even worse. I have seen no improvement from year to year with his teams. I'll judge by Crean's career. He went to one Final Four, with Wade. He was consistently a top 25 team, with Wade. The rest of the time, he never made it to the Sweet 16 and he never consistently fielded a top 25 team. I will go on record right now as saying this program will never make a Final Four and never win a Big Ten title with Crean at the helm. Make excuses for him all you please, but we make the same mistakes as we have his entire tenure, and there has been a general lack of progress from year to year. We get blown out a LOT, and we lose in horrible ways. Northwestern scored 93 ****ing points tonight. 93. That is not a high octane offense, it's not an overly talented offense, and he kept playing zone the entire game. Even while they were bombing threes away.

01-10-2011, 08:25 AM

DaveP63

Re: Indiana University 2010-2011 Men's Basketball Thread

That was a complete dumpster fire. Good God. As much as I love IU, it won't take much more of this unwatchable crap before I start rooting for the team from West Lafayette.