It's kind of funny how all of these pro-death advocates are screaming for Terri's personal liberties... when they immediately dismiss any accounts that she has communicated with her parents as being an "impulsive reaction." They then go on to dehumanize Terri, calling her a tax-wasting braindead zombie with a lower IQ than a head of cauliflower.

Even the doctors who have examined her agree. The PERSON who was Terri Schiavo is no longer part of the equation. The lights went out fifteen years ago..

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:20 pm

GTRMAN

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Here's a question for all of you out there who maintain that Terri Schiavo should remain alive at all costs..

Say, you're right that we do have an ethereal spirit/soul and that soul is contained withing the human body for as long as our body lives. Now one day you're body suffers an extremely traumatic event where the soul can no longer communicate with the body that contains it. Nor can it have any contact with the outside world. Sort of like Terri's soul/consciousness being kept in a small pitch-black room.
If your soul/cousciousness were in that state, wouldn't you want to be set free to pass to WHATEVER exists outside this plain of existence? Solitary confinement and isolation is torture. Have you ever thought that maybe that's what Terri is going through?

I take it you've had a bad experience with infidelity, yourself. You have my condolences.

I take it you've have a bad experience with disabled people. Your defense of this murder is repulsive.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:44 pm

Sandman

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Ryan wrote:

It's kind of funny how all of these pro-death advocates are screaming for Terri's personal liberties... when they immediately dismiss any accounts that she has communicated with her parents as being an "impulsive reaction." They then go on to dehumanize Terri, calling her a tax-wasting braindead zombie with a lower IQ than a head of cauliflower.

Home run!

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:54 pm

GTRMAN

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Sandman wrote:

GTRMAN wrote:

I take it you've had a bad experience with infidelity, yourself. You have my condolences.

I take it you've have a bad experience with disabled people. Your defense of this murder is repulsive.

And no, I've had not bad experiences with the disabled. Terri is not merely "disabled". She is severely and permenantly brain-damaged. She is missing most of her cerebral cortex. People don't recover from this. Especially not after 15 years.

It's kind of funny how all of these pro-death advocates are screaming for Terri's personal liberties... when they immediately dismiss any accounts that she has communicated with her parents as being an "impulsive reaction." They then go on to dehumanize Terri, calling her a tax-wasting braindead zombie with a lower IQ than a head of cauliflower.

And no, I've had not bad experiences with the disabled. Terri is not merely "disabled". She is severely and permanently brain-damaged. She is missing most of her cerebral cortex. People don't recover from this. Especially not after 15 years.

I think a lot of folks are disability-phobic. It's natural, really. I heard a paraplegic on the radio today. She's been such since 1967. She said, prior to here accident, she was repulsed when she encountered a paraplegic, and thought to herself that she would never want to live that way. But she said, the human spirit is more adaptive then we often imagine. And when the choice is between a very less than optimal existence and death, the desire is frequently for a less than optimal existence. Suicide rates among the disabled are much lower than those of society at large.

You need to consider all the information. If you just discard the affidavits of her care givers, you're not being intellectually honest. This to me sounds like a classic Scott Peterson, CSI, whatever you want to call it, murder case. The ex-husband has something to hide and he's removing the last remaining evidence. At least it sure looks that way. And to err on the side of killing her in light of such testimony is insane! If only she was a death row inmate instead of one of those "icky people," maybe she would get a little respect.

Then there’s the whole issue of the desires of her family. I won’t get into that other than to point out that you have NO compassion for them.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:14 pm

Rich

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drumslut wrote:

for those unable to pay for life support for these patients, what does it cost the taxpayers to keep them alive?

Are you suggesting that we do away with anyone who's inconveniencing us? I can think of worse ways that our tax dollars are being spent.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:18 pm

Sandman

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Rich L. wrote:

GTRMAN wrote:

He has recognised that his wife is dead. Kudos to him for moving on.

Then why push the issue so hard to see that she's killed again? Removing any food or water, & being compassionate don't equate with me. Putting her in an induced coma would be more compassionate.

Yeah, why does it bother these people that she's breathing and bringing joy to her loved ones?

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:18 pm

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GTRMAN wrote:

Judge not, my friend.

Don't be blind to evidence.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:21 pm

GTRMAN

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Rich L. wrote:

drumslut wrote:

for those unable to pay for life support for these patients, what does it cost the taxpayers to keep them alive?

Are you suggesting that we do away with anyone who's inconveniencing us? I can think of worse ways that our tax dollars are being spent.

Not at all. Terri Schaivo is being kept alive through artificial means. It has been determined numerous times that she would not want to live like this. Medical experts give her NO chance of recovery. If there is a soul in that body, she is SUFFERING.

Tell me something. Have you ever had a pet that was so sick or feeble that you had them euthanized because you didn't want to see them suffer? You were showing compassion. The same kind of compassion I'm supporting in this case.

Not at all. Terri Schaivo is being kept alive through artificial means.

Food & water?

GTRMAN wrote:

Tell me something. Have you ever had a pet that was so sick or feeble that you had them euthanized because you didn't want to see them suffer? You were showing compassion. The same kind of compassion I'm supporting in this case.

I think this is a pretty good analogy, but the only flaw is that I wouldn't starve my pet to death. I'd make it quick. Wouldn't you agree?

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:28 pm

Sandman

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GTRMAN wrote:

Not at all. Terri Schaivo is being kept alive through artificial means.

If you live in Maryland, I assume you are too. You have heating in your house, don't you? That's artificial. You would't be alive without it. There are tens of thousands of your fellow citizens who can't take food orally. I do think you are disabailty-phobic.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:29 pm

GTRMAN

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Rich L. wrote:

GTRMAN wrote:

Not at all. Terri Schaivo is being kept alive through artificial means.

Food & water?

GTRMAN wrote:

Tell me something. Have you ever had a pet that was so sick or feeble that you had them euthanized because you didn't want to see them suffer? You were showing compassion. The same kind of compassion I'm supporting in this case.

I think this is a pretty good analogy, but the only flaw is that I wouldn't starve my pet to death. I'd make it quick. Wouldn't you agree?

Yep.. Unfortunately, the "conservatives" in this country won't allow for that. Unfortunately, this is the only way to legally go about it.

Tell me something. Have you ever had a pet that was so sick or feeble that you had them euthanized because you didn't want to see them suffer? You were showing compassion. The same kind of compassion I'm supporting in this case.

I think this is a pretty good analogy, but the only flaw is that I wouldn't starve my pet to death. I'd make it quick. Wouldn't you agree?

It's not appropriate to apply the same ethical standards to fellow human beings that we do to animals (even pets).

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