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Wow, if the worst comment made about me was nappy head hos... God life would be good.

This is over kill. Unless he dies or is posted at the stake the NAACP will not walk away.

Did you hear the REVERAN Sharpton. He was a leader at how many events that resulted in death. He just made a nice comment about "jewing the numbers." It was nice to see him in full support of the PIG down in NC who forever has destroyed the lives of 50 families. Remember it was a team, the coach had to resign and many missed at least a year.

This whole story frustrates me - the 2 "black leaders" are such hypocrites it's sickening. Hymie Town and and made up rape allegations, shakedowns etc., and they are never held accountable. This is such crap with other garbage unfolding in front of us, we get this 24/7. Could've done w/o the "Husain" line though. They aren't exactly pushing Obama all that much, he isn't black enough for them.

I disagree. Just because others are doing it does not make it right.
His comments were horrible. He should lose his job. There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.
Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth? It is wrong.
And Sharpton should go down too.

vbrainy wrote:
I disagree. Just because others are doing it does not make it right.
His comments were horrible. He should lose his job. There are very few good role models out there, and he makes a nasty comment about these women.
Just think, is there any situation where this would have come out of your mouth? It is wrong.
And Sharpton should go down too.

I was just going to post a comment in the Election thread about this when I saw you made one here Airforce.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Hey, the market spoke. Imus got the hook because advertisers pulled their ads. Money talks, BS walks!
Imus had the double misfortune of saying what he did to whom he did on what is generally called "A slow news day!" Hey, he lived by the media, he made a living commenting on the popular culture, and now he has died by the bitten hand of his feeder. But he also made the mistake of picking on a bunch of college girls.
It's not the first time for Don. Back in the late sixties, early seventies I used to listen to him on 66 WNBC in NYC (I was like 10 or so, and my mother, whom is prudish, and I both listened to and liked Imus) until he said something that crossed a line and he got fired!
Off to <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Chicago (I think) to repent went Don (we all know that Dr. Johnny Fever of WKRP in Cincinnati is loosely based on Imus, right?) and eventually he got his seat back at NBC.... But he wasn't nearly as fun or funny as before... He had taken to drink, and cocaine was finding it's way up his nose too (or so I heard). Eventually, he went too far again and (IIRC) got s-canned again. Into rehab this time.
Then he came back again. This time to fight against the evil Dr. Howard Stern!(ooooohhhh).
Moral of that story being. Imus has been fired for life before!
Whom are the winners and who are the losers in this brouhaha?
Rutgers... Wins
Imus.... loses
NBC... Wins
CBS (so far)... Wins (bump up in listenership just for the morbid curiosity)
Sharpton v. Jackson... Sharpton increases his lead over Jesse as top spokesperson.
Sharpton v. Imus... Nobody really cares.
Presidential candidates...
McCain.... Loser, this steals his anti Dem speech thunder.
Newt... Winner. He told you there was a problem with Ghetto talk just last week didn't he?
Rudy... Loser; Tries to act as a mediator (from what little of him I heard) comes off as a dish rag.
Democrats... Are they still running? Last I heard of them was a Obama Clinton ticket with Hillary at the bottom of the ticket.

Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It's become cool to "Go Ghetto" , the word "Ho", demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that's a problem.
MSNBC et al. - Hypocrits one and all. Media and corporate america might want to double check their own ethical closet when doling out Imus punishment or criticism. AMEX, P&G, GM and the rest bail on Imus for his racially insensative comment, yet advertise on MTV, VH1 and the Grammys all of which embrace Hip-Hop music. The same Hip-Hop music, much of which celebrates the demeaning of all women, but black women in particlar. Apparently, corporate racial ethics when it comes to these matters is blinded by the ringing cash register.
Al Sharpton - Freddy's Fashion Mart. Enough said.

BondGuy wrote:Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It's become cool to "Go Ghetto" , the word "Ho", demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that's a problem.
MSNBC et al. - Hypocrits one and all. Media and corporate america might want to double check their own ethical closet when doling out Imus punishment or criticism. AMEX, P&G, GM and the rest bail on Imus for his racially insensative comment, yet advertise on MTV, VH1 and the Grammys all of which embrace Hip-Hop music. The same Hip-Hop music, much of which celebrates the demeaning of all women, but black women in particlar. Apparently, corporate racial ethics when it comes to these matters is blinded by the ringing cash register.
Al Sharpton - Freddy's Fashion Mart. Enough said.Agreed on all fronts.What Imus said was terribly offensive and maybe he really does deserve to lose his job.Sharpton, however, is a bigot with a track record of inciting violence. And he panders to the poor of his own race solely for his political and financial benefit. Here's a rather disturbing article I found via google:http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2411

No doubt about it. Having the guy that owes Stephen Pagones a boatload of money, and Rev. Hymietown leading the charge again Imus does little more than make him, even with his moronic comments, seem sympathetic.

Hey, the market spoke. Imus got the hook because advertisers pulled their ads. Money talks, BS walks!<?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />Imus had the double misfortune of saying what he did to whom he did on what is generally called "A slow news day!" Hey, he lived by the media, he made a living commenting on the popular culture, and now he has died by the bitten hand of his feeder. But he also made the mistake of picking on a bunch of college girls.
Yep. It is all about crossing a line.Imus - Wrong for what he said. However, that what he said is spoken and accepted on the streets in every city in the country by ordinary people speaks to the societal issues facing not only blacks but our entire society as a whole. It's become cool to "Go Ghetto" , the word "Ho", demeaning to black women, has entered the general vernacular and that's a problem.
If you are going to play near the line (comedy, art) you need to be smart enough to know where it is. Or maybe your brain needs to be young and supple enough to keep you clear. Maybe he was just trying too hard to be cool.

It's all about the double standard that exists today. Was what Imus said offensive and wrong. Yes it was. However, the same words and attitude is expressed everyday by black rap artists ( and I use that term loosely here) who are making money hand over fist by exploiting and denigrating women, glorifying the gang and drug culture. Where is the censure on this by the Black community? Nowhere.
So Imus apologizes and grovels for insulting the women on the basketball team, as he should do. Those women didn't deserve his foul mouth. How anyone ever found him entertaining is beyond me.
BUT>>>>>> Where is the demand that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the other victimhood merchants apologize for the horrible things they said about the Duke LaCrosse players, who are also innocent of any wrong doing. When do they apologize to the Jewish community for the anti Semitic remarks that they make. Never and Nowhere!! Because it is perfectly acceptable to be a reverse racist and never have to apologize for bigotry if you are not WASP (probably don't play golf either). If you are Hispanic, Black or any other ethnic group, you can say anything you want. If you are a white or in the case of Michelle Malkin oriental, you'd better watch your mouth.
This firing of Imus sets a bad precedent for anyone else who wants to have free speech. It is free speech but only if the speech is approved by the Thought Police and has passed the political correctness test. In order for our speech to be free, we have to put up with offensive and irritating speech that we disagree with as well as that with which we agree.
Free speech for me but not for thee.

If you are Hispanic, Black or any other ethnic group, you can say anything you want. If you are a white or in the case of Michelle Malkin oriental, you'd better watch your mouth.
Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.

Now that's BS. My socioeconomic status doesn't give Jesse, or the Reverend or any other black or non white person a blank check to say anything they wish about white people because they aren't benefiting from today's economy. Maybe if those same two put that much effort into improving the family dynamics that is so absent in their own culture we might all be better off. They curse those in their own culture however that bring that up to - i.e. Bill Cosby.
I raise the BS flag w/ that statement Silouette - sorry!

silouette wrote:
Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
You don't really believe that, do you? "Everyone" will never be accountable...
silouette wrote:
We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.

Just wtf does that mean?
You may not have noticed, but employment numbers and home ownership rates are at or near all time highs for non-whites. There's plenty of room for gains in racial equality, but spare me the white-guilt. A little bit of attention towards the lunacy have having Sharpton and <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Jackson leading the charge against inflammatory racial commentary would be appreciated.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Speaking of hypocrisy, how about opportunist Obama jumping on the bash-Imus bandwagon now that that ship has sailed while having met with rappers at make millions spewing garbage about women every bit as bad, in fact often worse, than Imus ever has?

csmelnix wrote:
Now that's BS. My socioeconomic status doesn't give Jesse, or the Reverend or any other black or non white person a blank check to say anything they wish about white people because they aren't benefiting from today's economy. Maybe if those same two put that much effort into improving the family dynamics that is so absent in their own culture we might all be better off. They curse those in their own culture however that bring that up to - i.e. Bill Cosby.
I raise the BS flag w/ that statement Silouette - sorry!

No worries. BS might be a little strong. Capitalism, by nature, requires a social net. I'm not saying anyone is entitled, and I certainly admire Cosby's position. And I could not agree with you more about the potentially negative affects of any culture gone off track, and specifically, white and black " trash ".
You will find me to huge advocate of positive culture, and not the kind of respectful and productive behaviour that is enforced by rules and consequences - rather, positive peer leader. I'm a hypocrite, and try to recognize the need to try to help clean up around me.

We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.

Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something. But, in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with, like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you may be in a minority ( most people in the world live in poverty, and many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.
Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.

Holy crap!<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Why must there ALWAYS be a "But what about them?"
I don't make my judgment of Imus' comments based on what Sharpton says. And neither should you. Sharpton is irrelevant "rap artists" are irrelevant, so is Mick Jagger screaming You're a Far Stucker far stucker far stucker far stucker FARRR (meaning, the rap community has no patent on the degradation of women).
What Imus does is wrong! What alot of people do is wrong. This is just an adjustment of the market. This "Us V. Them" mentality that comes out each and every time something like this comes up is exactly what we claim the other side is doing without realizing that "our side" is doing the same damned thing! The irony is that it freezes the market, so that the pendulum can not swing back. We divert the issue from the issue and focus ad hominem instead.
This is ridiculously predictable! And it's juvenile! You should be ashamed of yourselves for even perpetuating the "logic!"
A lady was on Today during this who wrote a book titled something like "Why We Can't Talk About Race" . The impression I got was that someone had finally argued against the instant accusation of "Racist" any time a white person tried to talk racism. The thing is, the white community does the same thing every time a black person wants to talk about racism too. The evidence of this is in numerous posts above this one.
Free speech has ALWAYS been subject to public standards. We don't let people use the 7words on TV, we don't show pornographic movies on TV, you can't have nude pictures on the sidewalk promoting your shop (what ever the shop). What Imus did was he used barroom humor on the public airways. Hopefully this will act as a reminder to people in their general lives. Don't yell out "AW SH!T!" when you drop your ice cream cone on the sidewalk in a big crowd. That language doesn't belong there!
Yeah, there ought to be thought police, each of us ought to self police our own thoughts. That's the difference between being juvenile and being a mature adult.

mikebutler222 wrote:
silouette wrote: Capitalism, by nature, requires a social net.
We have one, often to the determent of people held by it.

silouette wrote:
You will find me to huge advocate of positive culture,.....

Aren't 99.9% of us?

Well, building the projects in the 60's might not have been the brightest idea.
I think you know, with regards to here, about the 99.9% positive question. Can you say, " elements of insidious negativity"?

I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.
Whomit has laid all of this out pretty eloquently here. We are talking about how language and logic perpetuate even our own ignorance.
I would only add, from an economic point of view, the evolution of all of this moving forward is inevitable, painful, but hopeful.

We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy. On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.

Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something. But, in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with, like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you may be in a minority ( most people in the world live in poverty, and many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.
Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.

I recognize often how lucky I am with health and income, family, etc.. When I consider those things I’m fortunate to have and consider those who don’t, I don’t have a particular ethnic or racial group in mind. I’ve seen all sorts of people who’re unfortunate in some area or another where I’ve been blessed. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I agree with your comment about ending a cycle of negativity, but I don’t feel the need to inject white guilt to get there. Charlatans, regardless of race or ethnicity, should be identified as such. It’s a form of racism, as I see it, to coddle one variety and condemn another by using race as a mitigating factor. That’s why I think Imus should have been fired AND I think it’s the height of cowardice for the decision makers behind firing Imus to allow thugs and shakedown artists like Jackson and Sharpton to appear to have made the decision for them.

Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
No it doesn't. The only people who's feet are held to the fire are white America. I think it lowers the standard by not making all groups accountable for the same actions. Twana Brawley anyone? It also lowers the standards when one group can cry foul and demand others bend to their whims while yet another group is shushed up for doing exactly the same things.Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
Well, that would be true if the market had actually judged. Instead it was a rush of political activists complaining and forcing sponsors to remove themselves from his program. Who wants to be the last company to wait and see if this latest tempest calmed down? Personally I don't give a rip about Imus. I think he is a boor and probably does deserve to be fired, but it shouldn't be because the victim merchants are using extortion and strong arming the network.We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy.
Oh baloney. There are a lot of people benefiting from our economic expansion. We are having an economic expansion in spite of some people. You bet I'm frustrated by the double standard. I'm sick of the political correctness that has turned a whole generation of people into mindless spineless twits. You can't make a joke at work that might offend some ones sensitive gender, ethnicity or dog. People have no sense of humor anymore.On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
I don't care about moving our broader society forward. You seem to think that this latest fiasco is a step forward. Again. I see it as a step somewhere, but not forward.
On the golf course, on a day like today, I imagine the ball is the back of someone's head and then smack the he## out of it. That recharges me.

silouette wrote:
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.

It comes from <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Jackson's own comments. You know, it isn't just that he used the term towards individuals and added "town" to the end of it when he referred to NYC, it was the way his first response was to attack the black reporter for "spilling the beans", as if he was obligated, since they were both black, to some loyalty about closeted racism.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Let me be clear about this, because there seems to be some misunderstanding. I don’t think Imus should have been able to keep his job because of Sharpton and Jackson’s personal past. Imus’ comments SHOULD have cost him his job. Their presence in this uproar didn’t amount to mitigation of Imus’ conduct.
OTOH, Jackson and Sharptons personal pasts SHOULD have disqualified them from leading the assault on Imus. People weighing the issues around Imus’ comments SHOULD have been able to swat those two away as the irrelevant mosquitoes that they are. In fact, long ago those two should have been swatted away by serious people. The same swatting should be directed at politicians who look for a microphone to go after Imus AFTER it’s obvious he’s lost his job and public sentiment is against him (but not a moment before) and who will be sucking up to some rap star tomorrow, ignoring the massive waves of misogyny coming from that corner.

We agree. You know, Jackson and Sharpton have been around for a long time, I think most of us see them for what they are - to the extent that perhaps these fellows have impeded all of us.
And now these old warhorses, along with the radical left, are having their time in the sun.
It's just another form of good old boy crap. Frankly, I see some of that here from time to time. It gets disguised as "tough love". It may be fun for the " club ", but it really doesn't raise the consciousness of the forum. So then it becomes a game of defining the rules, defining the " culture ".
Now Joe is going to say, " you always turn the discussion to this point". You know what, Joe, too bad.
But what I see is the next generation getting hurt sometimes. Whoomit has really nailed, and what he is saying is, if I got it right, " it all starts right here, with our own thoughts, and language."
A generation ago, they were saying, feelings like anger need to be brought out and dealt with. Now they are saying, anger is not really a useful emotion, and you might consider just shutting it off in your brain when it starts. And there are plenty of other crappy emotions that can be shut off, like building yourself up while putting others down, albeit joking.
If there is anything true about what Whomit says above, all of this stuff is tied up. We don't have to wait to evolve.
Just my moralistic, white horse, preachy point of view. Please forget it about it.

SHARPTON VOWS MORE: 'It is our feeling that this is only the beginning. We must have a broad discussion on what is permitted and not permitted in terms of the airwaves'...
And so it begins. The thought police are going to tell us what we can say, how we can think and it better not be offensive to the new self appointed arbiters of society.
It is evidently OK to offend Christians with the Piss Christ and Dung Mary. God forbid we have a cartoon of Muhammed. It is ok to refuse to let students celebrate Christmas on campus but we will install foot baths for Muslims to wash their feet before praying on campus. Now we are sending students to conferences to learn about white privilege and just how bad white people are. http://www.cwsworkshop.org/resources/WhitePrivilege.html
How about instead we teach the kids how to read, write, history, science and do math?
To further illustrate the hypocrisy and double standard, you will find that Imus is now being listed as a conservative. Puuleeeze. He endorsed Kerry and hates the Bush administration. Imus is a bleeding heart liberal who happens to be a foul mouthed jerk and redneck.. Of course we must label him as a conservative, because he doesn't fit the approved politically correct mold for the liberal agenda's idea of a Democrat.

babbling looney wrote:Moving forward, the Imus incident makes everyone accountable. It raises the standard, this is how social progress in achieved. ( Even Adam Smith was in favor of that.)
No it doesn't. The only people who's feet are held to the fire are white America. I think it lowers the standard by not making all groups accountable for the same actions. Twana Brawley anyone? It also lowers the standards when one group can cry foul and demand others bend to their whims while yet another group is shushed up for doing exactly the same things.Imus is judged solely in the context of his sponsors, career reputation, specific attack on college women and so on. And the market judges harshly.
Well, that would be true if the market had actually judged. Instead it was a rush of political activists complaining and forcing sponsors to remove themselves from his program. Who wants to be the last company to wait and see if this latest tempest calmed down? Personally I don't give a rip about Imus. I think he is a boor and probably does deserve to be fired, but it shouldn't be because the victim merchants are using extortion and strong arming the network.We may feel frustrated about a double standard, but we are also just about the only people in America right now that are benefiting from the stable and expanding economy.
Oh baloney. There are a lot of people benefiting from our economic expansion. We are having an economic expansion in spite of some people. You bet I'm frustrated by the double standard. I'm sick of the political correctness that has turned a whole generation of people into mindless spineless twits. You can't make a joke at work that might offend some ones sensitive gender, ethnicity or dog. People have no sense of humor anymore.On the golf course, we can recharge, count our blessings, and come back ready to help move our broader society forward.
I don't care about moving our broader society forward. You seem to think that this latest fiasco is a step forward. Again. I see it as a step somewhere, but not forward.
On the golf course, on a day like today, I imagine the ball is the back of someone's head and then smack the he## out of it. That recharges me.

Yeah, yeah, we really connected there looney. That's what you call win lose. Ego, recharge
Who's trying to connect with you?
I'm telling you what I think. If you don't like it.... that's your perogative. What are you going to do get me fired? Bring in the feminazi's and political brown shirts, because I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings on all of the same things you do? Send me to rehab until I admit the error of my thinking?

BondGuy wrote:silouette wrote:
I'm asking where "Rev. (racial slur)" comes from. Maybe I missed it here. I confess to being a skim reader.

You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.

I like talking to smart people. I agree, Jackson and Sharpton have no right, and in the Cosby view sense, they just stand in the way.
As far as usage of "Rev. (racial slur), my point is, it just perpetuates human misery ( in my mind ).
As far as Google is concerned, I prefer to think for myself on this one.
Maybe we should ask some Jewish people for the definitive answer.

You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.

The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life
Yep, that's the way it works in our Brave New World. Get used to it.
Seriously, how can you argue about something when you don't know the historical reference and refuse to look it up.

silouette wrote:You're serious? Google the term and read up. Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.

Actually, you've got it wrong. Jackson is not labelled for life. Jackson is a self appointed spokesperson for the black community as well as a professional victim creator.
Using the term Rev Hymietown gives context to just what's happening here. Racist, from a protected class, using race to bring down a non protected class. Jackson gets a free pass on this, when, as a racist, he should have no voice.
As for Sharpton, over the top. This man has blood on his hands and again gets a free pass from the media, the dems, everybody. Racist isn't a big enough word to describe this bigot. Ask the families of those who died at Freddy's Fashion Mart what they think of Rev Al. And I guess we've got to give him time to apologise to the Duke Lacrosse players. And speaking of that situation let's see if the NC AG goes after the lying accuser, a black woman, once he has the white Durham County prosecutor's ass in his briefcase.
The real tragedy here is that these two professional victim makers, who do nothing but peddle outrage, turned the Rutgers Womans Basketball Team into victims. These are smart, strong women, whose shining accomplishment is now lost. They are no longer a Cinderella basketball team that rose from obscurity to national promenance on the hardwood. They are now victims. The revs. Jesse and Al have used them to extract their pounds of flesh. And don't think for a moment that this is over.
As we speak Snoop Dog and music consortium are circling the wagons trying to figure out how to seperate the disconnect between the billion dollar demeaning Hip-Hop culture and the rage over Imus.

Why don't blacks take a stand against other blacks that use the "N" word, etc?
yeah: what about the offensive, vulgar rap music that's on the radio: let's boycott this...unless, it has an exceptional beat.
So I guess it's fine for the white folks to refer to each other as honkys then. Although, it's really shades of "beige" ...when you get down to it.
Imus should have learned after the Michael Richards; Mel Gibson outbursts... Will Michel Richards ever make a comeback? He was so darn funny on Senfeld--wht a shame.
But, hey, there were even penalties over JJackson's boob flash, too.
So if Imus was on Sirus radio as Howard Stern, there would be no repercussions, I suppose. Or would it had been different?
Talk to you frizzey, greyed, bald, dyed, braided, poneytailed haired honkey wholes later.

silouette wrote:You're serious? Google the term and read up.
Mike's take and use is right on. Jackson has no right to be the voice
of the black people. Even more so for Sharpton.
Whatever. In my mind, it is the modern language of hatred.
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and
embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might
learn a lot.
Oh, sorry Joe, just shut me off when you can't handle my interest in verbal communication.

Blather on all you want....

My only question is, if he said that in "semi-private", does that make him "semi-anti-Semitic"?

silouette wrote:As far as usage of "Rev. (racial slur), my point is, it just perpetuates human misery ( in my mind ).
Pointing out Jackson's history doesn't do anything but expose him. Failing to mention his history gives him a legitimacy he doesn't deserve.
silouette wrote:
Maybe we should ask some Jewish people for the definitive answer.

silouette wrote:
The guy said the word in semi private, and now he is creatively labeled for life.

As he should be. Are you excusing him? Is this why his slur shouldn't be mentioned? It was said in "semi private"? That makes it better?
silouette wrote:
If you think about the mental process of getting to " Rev. H. ", and embracing the term on a professional forum, I think one might learn a lot.

Not changing the subject, but more for comparison of the reaction to the demise of Imus. I watch sports 24/7 if possible. I did not hear until this morning that Irwin had been let go by ESPN. No fan fair at all, a few conservative talk shows tried without success to bring up how a Black man can get away with anything I learned after googlin. By the way this happend last November, sorry if this is old news to you.

…About three and a half minutes into his appearance on the show, Irvin said Romo is a good athlete, then suggested that must mean he has an ancestor who is black.“He doesn’t look like he’s that type of an athlete,” Irvin said of Romo. “But he is. He is, man. I don’t know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don’t know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the ‘hood or something went down.”
Patrick tried to suggest to Irvin that he shouldn’t go there, but Irvin was having none of it, continuing:“If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn, ‘Come on in here for a second,’ you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day.”

With all of the mixed relationships these days: black/white mixed, heck Halley Berry says she is Black but she is half black: what's the new term: Vanilla/Chocololate: you can then select your own race: Halley could say she's white, too. At least, with this, you will see the disappearance of separation of races: because they are mixing.
Imus has proven himself over the years and now because he has made a mistake, ...here's what is going to happen. These people in the future will probably need to have a SCRIPT to make sure there are no slipups.
Who among us haven't been insulted? Women are constantly insulted in demeaning ways; southern people are called hillbillys...elderly people, you name it. It was a slipup or a mistake: or maybe Imus is guilty of listening to too much hiphop. We all know blacks constantly talk about whites in demeaning terms.
Re: Nappy: this included whites on the team, too.
On the April 4 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team, which is comprised of eight African-American and two white players, as "nappy-headed hos"
Let's address all of the raunchiness in the hiphop music: why doesn't the REv J and Al Sharpton address this!!!!!. They shouldn't play this stuff on the radio or show it on tv. At least CNN is now addressing this.
It's all about Standards or lack thereof.

Just wtf does that mean?
Well, after I say this, Joe will likely come in and attack me for riding the white horse or wearing white gloves or something.

No,
not now. I don't see a need for it here, and I played that card
once already in the last 24 hours. Actually I thought it was a
pretty cool and appropriate metaphor considering I came up with it on
the fly. Like jazz improvization, but with words instead.
But,
in my experience, when you truly appreciate what you are blessed with,
like good health and income, at some point it occurs to you that you
may be in a minority

Actually
this might be one place where I would agree with you. This
country(and this industry) would be a better place of those of us who
hav been so fortunate would take a moment from deliberating over
whether to purchase the E-Class or the 5-Series to reflect on our
blessings and help those less fortunate.

( most people in the world live in poverty, and
many in fear). And then, you think, since someone here needs to stop
the cycle of negativity, maybe that should be me.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think it can be either proved or defended.

Barack Hussein Obama (born August 4, 1961; IPA pronunciation: [b¨»k ob¨».m]), is the junior United States Senator from Illinois.

What am I supposed to call him?

Imas will do better. He is an old guy who says and does far less then Howard, Jackson or Sharpton. I don't care for the guy, but what the f... Americans are soft! There are people dieing in other countries and the leaders of IRAN, Hezbola and Al Queda threaten and bomb innocent people. Here a person says "Nappy haired Hos" then the Libs freak out. What a sorry bunch of people.

Like McCain, Imas screwed up by saying I'm sorry to the media.

Why was Sharpton invited to the presidential debates and Nader was not? What is up with the equal rights at Michigan University? What is up with government jobs going to the minority? If its so freaking equal then 11% jobs to blacks and 15% to Hispanics. One makes a comment about blacks in prison then their racist. One makes a comment about spanish not knowing english and their racist. If anything is pissing off the right and conservatives it is the fact we have to live in fear of saying anything politically correct.

Any day of the week I would rather be white then black, but the greatest racists are "Rev" Sharpton and Jackson. They sell and breed hate and racism.

As for being "all 'right'" I can't be sure if that's a dig at my political leanings or a peace pipe being extended. I like the card metaphor. The hell of it is, it seems one can never run out of chips.

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