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Who has oppressed whom? -- Blacks or Whites.

Jewish multi-culturalists have advocated that one reason Whites need "fixing" in America is our "immoral" treatment of Blacks. Forget for a moment that Israel is more segregated than the American South of the 1950s. Let's divorce this from Jewish hypocrisy and treachery.

Who has been the victim of "hate" crimes?

According to the New Century Foundation, blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes against Whites than the reverse.

So, truthfully, we know that our "immorality" has not been with regard to "hate" crimes. Rather, Whites have been the net victims of "hate" crimes by Blacks at a ratio or 2 to 1.

Who has been forced to live in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation?

According to the New Century Foundation, of the 1,700,000 crimes of violence involving Blacks and Whites, 90% are commited by Blacks. Blacks are therefore 250 times more likely to do criminal vilence to whites than the reverse.

So, truthfully, we know that our "immorality" has not been with regard to subjecting Blacks to fear and intimidation. Rather, Whites have been the net victims of blacks at a rate of 250 to 1.

Who has been the victim of economic oppression?

Blacks have traditionally made an average of over 30 times the income in America than in countries that are predominantly Black.

So, we know that Blacks have not been economically harmed in America, but elevated. Have Whites been victims of economic oppression by Blacks? For purposes of this thread, let's say that whites have not been economically deprived by Blacks.

So, if Blacks have been the net aggressors in terms of commiting "hate" crimes and other violent crimes, and Blacks have economically benifited from living in America -- what was the "immortality" of our ancestors? The only legitamate grievance that might be advanced is our not accepting Blacks as part of our "tribe," not welcoming them into our schools and neighborhoods, and not giving them equal treatment in employment.

In other words, we kept our nation separate from them, except where it benifited our "tribe." To do otherwise would have prevented us from controlling the outside influences on our culture, prevented our ability to preserve our race by minimizing sexual contact with non-Whites, and prevented our ability to economically provide for the least able Whites by giving them preference to jobs over outsiders.

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BigWhite, since we know that the idea that the white race does not exist and so, by default, does not deserve to be preserved ... is the essence of multi-culturalism, any tactic by multi-culturalists is fair game in their opinion ... as long as it works.

So, with their monopoly of the mass media, multi-culturalists can depict our grandparents and great grandparents as the epitome of evil, justifying the current death penalty that has been imposed on our race from Ireland to Italy, America to Australia.

Why don't the Jews depict our ancestors as good, enlightened and valuable ... instead of as evil racists, slave holders, Nazis, and lynchers? Because the Jews advance the argument that our race not only needs fixing, but ultimately eradication, because of the "evil" our "racist" parents, grandparents, and great grandparents had done. For Jews, only our genocide can fix us. To fight this genocide makes us evil.

Originally posted by Joseph Morgan Jewish multi-culturalists have advocated that one reason Whites need "fixing" in America is our "immoral" treatment of Blacks. Forget for a moment that Israel is more segregated than the American South of the 1950s. Let's divorce this from Jewish hypocrisy and treachery.

One of the things that I think was missed here:
Slavery is not an institution that originated in Northern Europe-rather it was an alien institution imported from the middle east via Rome.

Independent black scholars are increasingly coming to the opinion that Jews played a major role in the economic organization of the slave trade.(see the Nation of Islams book The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews). I would suggest that the real beneficiaries of the slave trade were never Northern Europeans, but in fact Jews. Rather than denying that slavery was wrong, white nationalists should morally support black nationalists in getting compensation from Jewish financial interests.

It isn't like in the areas in which Jews are influential, blacks have really prospered--the problems like AIDS and drugs have been most prominent in the US where Jews and blacks co-exist.

The whole process of integration was aimed at covering up history and making the broader white community pay for something from which Jews had reaped the bulk of economic benefits. It isn't as though slavery made the US south rich. Many slave holders were constantly in debt. Who held that debt? Who really benefited here?

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Strathclyde: Independent black scholars are increasingly coming to the opinion that Jews played a major role in the economic organization of the slave trade.

The line that blacks and Jews have a "special relationship" is a multi-cultural myth that meets or beats the myth that "diversity creates strength."

The relationship between blacks and Jews has been one of master and servant, not just with the disproportional Jewish involvement in the slave trade in America, but also with organizations such as the NAACP. The NAACP was a Jewish created organization, which was dominated by Jews until the 1970s.

The classic role of Jews has been as the middleman on trade routes. Now, as middlemen, they have a strong incentive to see to it that various trading partners don't bypass them.

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Originally posted by Joseph Morgan Strathclyde: Independent black scholars are increasingly coming to the opinion that Jews played a major role in the economic organization of the slave trade.

The line that blacks and Jews have a "special relationship" is a multi-cultural myth that meets or beats the myth that "diversity creates strength."

The relationship between blacks and Jews has been one of master and servant, not just with the disproportional Jewish involvement in the slave trade in America, but also with organizations such as the NAACP. The NAACP was a Jewish created organization, which was dominated by Jews until the 1970s.

Not to mention Jewish funding of Martin Luther King. IMHO what was happening was the the Nation of Islam was getting just enough attention to be annoying-which meant that Jews needed to invent an alternative "black messiah"-one that was more willing to toe a line acceptable to the Jewish community.

Think for a moment what it might have meant to Israel if Islam in the US was more successful than it has been the last few years.

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Not all Whites have been run out of Zimbabwe

Khalid Muhammad, popular Black power advocate in America
"We don't owe nothing [to Whites] in South Africa. . . we give him 24 hours to get out of town, by sundown.... We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies. We kill the blind, we kill the crippled (unintelligible), we kill 'em all. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill them all."

America in 100 years; Whites are a small vulnerable minority now....
"We don't owe nothing [to Whites] in America. . . we give him 24 hours to get out of town, by sundown.... We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies. We kill the blind, we kill the crippled (unintelligible), we kill 'em all. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill them all."

As I remember, Khalid Muhammed was reprimanded for those particular remarks by Min. Farrakhan (who has enough sense to realize a shooting war with whites is not in the best interest of blacks).

The black nationalist camp is a mixed bag-there are folks in it with whom White Nationalists can work a lot more effectively than multi-culturalists-and others that are so full of emotion they can't really cooly pursue their own interests.

Even so, I would _much_ rather deal with someone like Khalid Muhammed that would like to kill me and is open and honest about it than someone that says he loves me and is effectively working behind my back to destroy me-and I don't think that is the only range of options here.

Personally, I'm glad they guys like Khalid Muhammed are largely under the watchful eye of cooler, wiser heads like Min. Farrakhan. It isn't like guys like Khalid Muhammed are going to go away-but they can be effectively segregated. The sad fact is that most of Khalid's constituency are such loosers the people in South Africa don't want them-they want the well-educated motivated black youth-for whom the opportunities in South Africa are actually quite substantial right now.

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Originally posted by Joseph Morgan Not all Whites have been run out of Zimbabwe

Khalid Muhammad, popular Black power advocate in America
"We don't owe nothing [to Whites] in South Africa. . . we give him 24 hours to get out of town, by sundown.... We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies. We kill the blind, we kill the crippled (unintelligible), we kill 'em all. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill them all."

America in 100 years; Whites are a small vulnerable minority now....
"We don't owe nothing [to Whites] in America. . . we give him 24 hours to get out of town, by sundown.... We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies. We kill the blind, we kill the crippled (unintelligible), we kill 'em all. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill them all."

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Strathclyde: The black nationalist camp is a mixed bag-there are folks in it with whom White Nationalists can work a lot more effectively than multi-culturalists-and others that are so full of emotion they can't really cooly pursue their own interests.