"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 8

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

why did you not move the entire thread so we know what the rest of the conversation was? Moving a post to religion simply because it had some religion in it, would mean you would have to move many post here because of that.

why did you not move the entire thread so we know what the rest of the conversation was? Moving a post to religion simply because it had some religion in it, would mean you would have to move many post here because of that.

This was the first post in the thread. I am not capable of moving entire threads, so I nipped this one in the bud and moved it to the appropriate forum.

ask bonehead carey where the rest of the scriptures are. you give snips of them. wheres the WHOLE line. WOW you're a smart one. it says vanquish those who DONT believe and WILL NOT accept islam as a form of religion. all they ask for is to be recognized and respected. but......thats too hard for you. youve already made up your mind because bill o and hannity tells you so. guess my good friend wants to kill me, ya know..........since hes muslim and all. damn it i lost 4 iq points just replying to your stupid ass crap

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On his first day in Congress, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minnesota, the first Muslim elected to Congress, finally met the Republican who criticized him for his decision to use the Koran at his ceremonial swearing in.

Ellison asked another Democratic member to introduce him to Rep Virgil Goode, R-Virgina, who spoke out against Ellison in a letter to constituents last month. Ellison told CNN that he approached Goode on the House floor and the brief meeting went well.

"I shook his hand and shook mine. We greeted each other." Ellison asked Goode to grab a cup of coffee with him soon and Goode accepted.

Asked if he felt singled out as the first Muslim member, Ellison said no and added, "By reaching out to Congressman Goode I'm not trying to be accepted, I'm trying to build bridges. In this world there are too many misunderstandings. I want to put a human face on things."

Eat your heart out, carey! Your attitude towards Muslims reminds me of the way so many so-called Christians viewed John F. Kennedy when he was running for office. They moaned and groaned that he'd try to make everybody a Catholic! They were too ignorant to see past his religion and realize that his main interest was America and its people, not their or his own religion. The CONSTITUTION still guarantees freedom of religion, although you and those of your ilk would love to see that part of it destroyed.

The Muslim in Congress was the one who sought out his Republican critic and extended his hand in friendship and cooperation, not the other way around.

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You know one thing that carey has managed to illustrate here is that there are many lines about violence in the Koran performed by god's, their followers, god's and their followers, followers with gods permission. I mean you can go on and on playing that song it seems for any religion- just blaming whatever on whoever- especially effective if their invisible. Just for example, lets go through the first 4 books of the bible. Now the bible isn't copyrighted so I can quote it all I want, but in the interest of time lets just stick to the first four books-

Genesis1. God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-52. Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

3. God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

4. God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

5. God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

6. Noah kills the "clean beasts" and burns their dead bodies for God. According to 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all "clean" animals since only two of each were taken onto the ark. "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor." 8:20

7. To free Lot from captivity, Abram sends an army of slaves to pursue and smite his captors. 14:14-15

9. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

10. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Pet.2:7-8. 19:7-8

11. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

12. God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7

13. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

14. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

15. "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." I don't know what the "terror of God" is, but I'll bet it isn't pleasant. 35:5

16. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

17. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

18. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

19. Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19

Exodus20. Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-1221. God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

22. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

23. God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

24. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

25. God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

26. The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

27. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

28. "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

29. God kills all Egyptian cattle with hail. 9:19-20

30. The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

31. These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

32. God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

33. God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

34. After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

35. To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

36. After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

37. Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

38. "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

39. God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

40. Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

41. "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

42. Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

43. God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

44. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15,17

45. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

46. If an ox gores someone, then both the ox and its owner must die. 21:28-29

47. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

48. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

49. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

50. If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

52. God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

53. Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

54. Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

55. Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

56. Wash up or die. 30:20-21

57. Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

58. Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

59. God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

60. God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

61. But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

62. If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

63. Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

Leviticus64. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 965. Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9

66. The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6

67. The priest must sprinkle the blood of the peace offerings. 7:14

68. Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27

69. God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36

70. Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32

72. Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2

73. If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9

74. God's treatment for leprosy: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32

75. God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28

76. If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25

77. "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." I'm not sure what being "cut off" means exactly, but I bet it isn't any fun. 18:29, 19:8

78. Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5

79. "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

80. Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10

81. "And the man that lieth with his father's wife ... both of them shall be put to death." Which? The man and his father? The father and his wife? Or the man and his father's wife? Oh heck, just kill all three. 20:11

82. If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

83. Homosexuals must be executed. 20:13

84. If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

85. If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

86. People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

87. A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

88. God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18

89. Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

90. A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

91. Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16

92. God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8

93. God describes torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it", "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children", and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons .. daughters." 26:16-39

Numbers95. God displays his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:5196. Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

97. God repeats his order (see 1:51) to kill any strangers who happen to come near. 3:10

98. Once again (see 1:51 and 3:10) God tells his favorite people to kill any strangers that come near. 3:38

99. Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at uncovered holy things. 4:15, 4:20

100. "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burns the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

101. "And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

102. More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37

103. God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24

104. The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36

105. Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God makes the ground open up and it swallows Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49

106. After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

107. God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13

108. According to this verse, it is wise to stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God will kill you if you get too close. 18:3

109. God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7

110. God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. Why, then don't Bible-believers perform these sacrifices anymore? Don't they realize how God must miss the "sweet savour" of burning flesh? Don't they believe God when he says "forever"? 18:17-19

111. Don't get near holy things or "pollute" them. If you do, God will kill you. 18:22, 32

112. The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. He even insists that they are to be "a perpetual statute" to all humankind. 19:1-22

113. "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

114. God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6

115. God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

116. God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24

117. God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8

118. After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

119. When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

120. God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

121. The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10

122. "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61

123. In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour."

124. Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54 28-29

125. God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4

126. "The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21

127. When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:33

Wow. All I can say is if that is the basis and foundation of your belief then .....
Wow. Are you people in need of therapy. Can we say-BiBlE/KoRaN =Same shit- different title?

Imagine if you will, that someday the long asked for theocracy comes and these fanatical religious zealots finally get to make the rules of conduct for human beings. Why, where would they source their laws?- why straight from the source of great god himself.

Hope you don't like shellfish, cause you can be put to death for eating them Ha hahahahahahaha. What a joke.

I am open to someone investigating the Hindu belief structure, as well as any other religion, to prove that they are any different in their history of violence and obedience to power- as a god given duty of their followers- and to see how it compares to these other 2 fine examples of civilized thought!

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Imagine if you will that someday the long asked for theocracy comes and as these fanatical zealots finally get to make the rules of conduct for human beings. Why where would they source their laws- why straight from the source of great god himself.

If that ever happens, we will just have to invade the United States, and root out the Christo-fascists terrorists, because they "hate our way of life".

You know one thing that carey has managed to illustrate here is that there are many lines about violence in the Koran performed by god's, their followers, god's and their followers, followers with gods permission. I mean you can go on and on playing that song it seems for any religion- just blaming whatever on whoever- especially effective if their invisible. Just for example, lets go through the first 4 books of the bible. Now the bible isn't copyrighted so I can quote it all I want, but in the interest of time lets just stick to the first four books-

Quote:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleViolence.htm

Cruelty and Violence in the 1st Four Books of the Bible

...snip

Hope you don't like shellfish, cause you can be put to death for eating them Ha hahahahahahaha. What a joke.

I am open to someone investigating the Hindu belief structure, as well as any other religion, to prove that they are any different in their history of violence and obedience to power- as a god given duty of their followers- and to see how it compares to these other 2 fine examples of civilized thought!

Little Mosque On The Prarie?? That was it...

it's in canada? darn... no way the republicans are going to watch it now...

Hope you don't like shellfish, cause you can be put to death for eating them Ha hahahahahahaha. What a joke.

Things don't improve: God sold the Israelites to the King of Mesopotamia for eight years: (Judges 3:eight). We're not told what God did with the money. He also sold them to the Moabites for eighteen years (3:14), to Cannan for twenty years (4:2-3), to the Midianites for seven years (6:1), to the Philistines for forty years (13:1) and to the Babylonians for seventy years! That's more than a century and a half of slavery...more than twice as long as slavery existed in the US.

God also discriminated against the handicapped: "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or anything superfluous. Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded. Or crookbacked, or a dwarf, ro that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones (testicles) broken...that he profane not my sanctuaries." (Leviticus 21:18-23). (Same reference)

Real merciful fellow is the Christian god.

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Hope you don't like shellfish, cause you can be put to death for eating them Ha hahahahahahaha. What a joke.

Things don't improve: God sold the Israelites to the King of Mesopotamia for eight years: (Judges 3:eight). We're not told what God did with the money. He also sold them to the Moabites for eighteen years (3:14), to Cannan for twenty years (4:2-3), to the Midianites for seven years (6:1), to the Philistines for forty years (13:1) and to the Babylonians for seventy years! That's more than a century and a half of slavery...more than twice as long as slavery existed in the US.

God also discriminated against the handicapped: "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or anything superfluous. Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded. Or crookbacked, or a dwarf, ro that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones (testicles) broken...that he profane not my sanctuaries." (Leviticus 21:18-23). (Same reference)

Real merciful fellow is the Christian god.

Wow! What do suppose Christian heaven is like?

Perhaps the Christian god will slap a little karma on the asses of these white racist Christian Republicans.

....I don't care whether or not religions hold the secret to Nirvana or everlasting peace or 72 virgins. I just want them to leave me alone.

My guess is the stricture against shellfish arose because one of the Leviticus authors was allergic to lobster. Likewise, the ban on pork is probably the outcome of repeated trichinosis outbreaks. If people still want to observe those rules, who cares? Not me, so long as they don't take the stuff off the market for those of us who enjoy an occasional taste.

Neither do I want someone who thinks God is talking to him runing the government. The translations are obviously unreliable. I don't want them running the Environmental Protection Agency or the Department of the Interior, especially the ones who think the Messiah is putting on his walking shoes as we speak. The point at which their views become dangerous to everyone else is the point at which pushing back becomes an imperative. In my view, we're long past that point. That doesn't mean one has to insult their beliefs — or lump them together with their innocuous or beneficial brethren (or sistren) — which only makes them more stubborn, but it does mean pointing out, with whatever degree of emphasis is required — and that degree is now considerable — that freedom of religion is not functionally equivalent to freedom of dictatorship; in this country, individuals own themselves and the guiding principle of government is (in theory) the practical common good, not whatever someone happens to think is the spiritual one.

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"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime."Honore de Balzac

"Democrats work to help people who need help. That other party, they work for people who don't need help. That's all there is to it."~Harry S. Truman

I keep wondering if the Koran that fundie muslims keep sighting is something akin to a translation of the aramaic bible into the King James Version.

Here and there, I find articles that sight that the Koran has elements of aramaic in it, and that those key passages which embolden suicide bomber types are really just bad translations.

There is some german linguist that says that the 70 virgins is really a bad translation of an aramaic word for 70 white raisins. Poor suckers. All these years. Dying because they think they are going to get laid by maids, when in fact they get Golden Maid raisins instead.

Another says its actually 72 wives. Yeah right. 72 wives telling them to get their lazy asses off the couch and mow the lawn.

The thinkers on the Koran are probably just as bad as the fundie biblists. Isn't the ratio of women to men about 3:2 and 2:1.

Where in hell is there a 70:1 ratio of women to men? Are theyI sure they didn't get islam mixed up with Amazonia?