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Hi, I am glad to find this group and have enjoyed going through the files and photos. I am researching 12th & 13th c. Dalmatia. Our local library is not well

Message 1 of 8
, Nov 30, 2007

Hi, I am glad to find this group and have enjoyed going through the
files and photos.
I am researching 12th & 13th c. Dalmatia. Our local library is not
well stocked and other than a few costume collection type books I
haven't found anything useful.
At this point I am particularly interested in the shepherd people
Vlach, or Morlach. Can anyone suggest online resources or additional
keywords I should use? I'm tired of dodging pictures of spotted dogs
8-) I would like, of course to find information of dress and customs
as well as information about where they were settled in the 12-13th
centuries.
Suggestions please, Thank you Karen DW

Amy Tubbs

You have probably already seen all of this, but I thought I would try to help... The Vlach: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/vlachs/ (towards the bottom of the

Message 2 of 8
, Nov 30, 2007

You have probably already seen all of this, but I thought I would try to
help...

> Hi, I am glad to find this group and have enjoyed going through the
> files and photos.
> I am researching 12th & 13th c. Dalmatia. Our local library is not
> well stocked and other than a few costume collection type books I
> haven't found anything useful.
> At this point I am particularly interested in the shepherd people
> Vlach, or Morlach. Can anyone suggest online resources or additional
> keywords I should use? I'm tired of dodging pictures of spotted dogs
> 8-) I would like, of course to find information of dress and customs
> as well as information about where they were settled in the 12-13th
> centuries.
> Suggestions please, Thank you Karen DW
>
>
>

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Suzanne

Welcome, Karen! I m happy to see another Dalmatian on the list. I m primarily looking at 15th-16th century but I always enjoy time traveling. :-) Whenever

Message 3 of 8
, Dec 1, 2007

Welcome, Karen!
I'm happy to see another "Dalmatian" on the list. I'm primarily looking at 15th-16th
century but I always enjoy time traveling. :-) Whenever I start on a new journey, I use 2
volumes by John V.A. Fine, Jr. as my guidebooks. These are available in paperback--I got
mine from Borders a few years ago--and they are well-indexed, have glossaries and a
select bibliography and so serve as quick reference tools: "The Early Medieval Balkans: a
critical survey from the 6th to the late 12th century" (1983) and "The Late Medieval
Balkans: a critical survey from the late 12th century to the Ottoman conquest" (1987).
Sounds like you could use the later volume -- try an InterLibrary Loan request.

I get lots of stuff on ILL... I vaguely remember a discussion of the Vlach migration into
Dalmatia... but I think it was 14th century... I believe it was in "The Uskoks of Senj" which I
mentioned in a post a few months ago. (I'm too lazy to go through the archives myself to
find the original post.) And I just yesterday got an immense volume on Croatia in the early
Middle Ages so as I dig through that I'll let you know if I find anything relevant to your
search.

But good luck finding anything on dress and customs! The historians can tell us about the
migrations of various peoples - but they never seem to think of telling us what those
people were wearing, and eating, and singing, etc.

More later!
Susanna

--- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Donaldson-Webb" <kl_donaldson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I am glad to find this group and have enjoyed going through the
> files and photos.
> I am researching 12th & 13th c. Dalmatia. Our local library is not
> well stocked and other than a few costume collection type books I
> haven't found anything useful.
> At this point I am particularly interested in the shepherd people
> Vlach, or Morlach. Can anyone suggest online resources or additional
> keywords I should use? I'm tired of dodging pictures of spotted dogs
> 8-) I would like, of course to find information of dress and customs
> as well as information about where they were settled in the 12-13th
> centuries.
> Suggestions please, Thank you Karen DW
>

Karen Donaldson-Webb

Thank you for the suggestions. I am not able to access the wapedia.mobi files. I m not sure what the format is. The Leeds site looks interesting and they

Message 4 of 8
, Dec 3, 2007

Thank you for the suggestions. I am not able to access
the 'wapedia.mobi' files. I'm not sure what the format is. The Leeds
site looks interesting and they have a free trial so I will delve into
that. I have picked up several Croation history books and there never
seems to be more than a single line reference to rural ethnic groups.
Karen

Much thanks, I made note of the books and found another- When Ethnicity Did Not Matter in the Balkans: A Study of Identity in Pre-Nationalist Croatia,

Message 5 of 8
, Dec 3, 2007

Much thanks, I made note of the books and found another- When Ethnicity Did Not Matter in the Balkans: A Study of Identity in Pre-Nationalist Croatia, Dalmatia, and Slavonia in the Medieval and Early-Modern Periods I hope our library can get them in (I hope the library will be open this week... Things run slow around here)
Please do post if you find more. I suspect this will be a long hunting season. Karen DW

"I get lots of stuff on ILL... I vaguely remember a discussion of the Vlach migration into
Dalmatia... but I think it was 14th century... I believe it was in "The Uskoks of Senj" which I
mentioned in a post a few months ago. (I'm too lazy to go through the archives myself to
find the original post.) And I just yesterday got an immense volume on Croatia in the early
Middle Ages so as I dig through that I'll let you know if I find anything relevant to your
search."

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Suz Walsh

Hello! I m also new to this group, although I ve been in the SCA for a few years. I m kinda interested in an odd period, namely traders from Eastern Europe in

Message 6 of 8
, Dec 4, 2007

Hello!
I'm also new to this group, although I've been in the SCA for a few years.
I'm kinda interested in an odd period, namely traders from Eastern Europe in Constantinople before the 4th Crusade.
I'd especially like some help with naming, if possible, mostly I want to make sure my name is kosher, especially because naming practices are different in that part of the world and this being Atlantia, we're overrun with 14th c. French and Viking knowledge. So resource help, especially web-wise would be helpful. Thanks!
Suzannne / Sofia

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Patricia Hefner

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Hello!
I'm also new to this group, although I've been in the SCA for a few years.
I'm kinda interested in an odd period, namely traders from Eastern Europe in Constantinople before the 4th Crusade.
I'd especially like some help with naming, if possible, mostly I want to make sure my name is kosher, especially because naming practices are different in that part of the world and this being Atlantia, we're overrun with 14th c. French and Viking knowledge. So resource help, especially web-wise would be helpful. Thanks!
Suzannne / Sofia

There were lots of different Eastern Europeans in Constantinople before the 4th Crusade - Bulgars, Romanians, Rus, etc. etc. The different Slavic peoples

Message 8 of 8
, Dec 5, 2007

There were lots of different "Eastern Europeans" in Constantinople before the 4th Crusade - Bulgars, Romanians, Rus, etc. etc. The different Slavic peoples had different naming practices. And many "Eastern Europeans" are not even Slavic. You'll need to narrow down your focus a bit before you can get very far into the details of naming, etc.

Sofya

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>Hello!

I'm also new to this group, although I've been in the SCA for a few years.
I'm kinda interested in an odd period, namely traders from Eastern Europe in Constantinople before the 4th Crusade.
I'd especially like some help with naming, if possible, mostly I want to make sure my name is kosher, especially because naming practices are different in that part of the world and this being Atlantia, we're overrun with 14th c. French and Viking knowledge. So resource help, especially web-wise would be helpful. Thanks!
Suzannne / Sofia

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