Speaking of conspiracy theories, it was pointed out on another thread today that by reopening a 5 year old investigation the LAPD can deny any & all FOIA requests on it because it is an "ongoing investigation".

I don't know if that is true or not but if it is, if the LAPD was smart they'd have a couple of reporters from the LA Times & a couple different news stations there with them during the reinvestigation just to head off at the pass any suggestions like I just made. However given the brilliant way that the LAPD has handled this whole affair so far I'd expect more secret meetings, stonewalling the media, & even more 'don't bring him in alive' orders.

Vodka Zombie:So, the cops are outsourcing their shooting of civilians now?

This should turn out wonderfully.

Any retard with a pair of balls and decent eyesight and half brain could do better than the LAPD have done so far.

What is the very, VERY most basic rule of gun saftey?Never point it at anything you don't want to get shot.

Cops, supposedly there to serve and protect, are supposed to check their targets better at the expense of their own safety for the greater public good. "To Server and Protect" is not small potatoes, it's the job description and your life is supposed to be on the line when necessary to fulfill that role.

The LAPD is coming unglued. From all the way across the country I can tell that this is getting a reaction from them which is out of proportion to what you normally would expect. They look more like an army than a police force now.

rev. dave:The LAPD is coming unglued. From all the way across the country I can tell that this is getting a reaction from them which is out of proportion to what you normally would expect. They look more like an army than a police force now.

They are so going to out-stupid themselves somehow. I think shooting those two poor women in a truck earlier this week was just a preview.

Odd, isn't it? When you have three murders committed by someone else, they don't publicly announce a million-dollar-bounty for his head him. However, this isn't just some guy. He's a cop, with a lot of information that could make other cops look really, really bad.

The "bounty" is to make the other cops look like they want him alive. That's it.

They've already had two separate "mistaken identity" shootings, because the cops are definitely in a "shoot first, let him cool, then ask questions later" mood. We know they want him dead. They know that, hence this stupid PR stunt. What he needs to do is to walk into the nearest federal building with an FBI office and turn himself in, before some cop gets lucky and blows his damned head off.

ecmoRandomNumbers:rev. dave: The LAPD is coming unglued. From all the way across the country I can tell that this is getting a reaction from them which is out of proportion to what you normally would expect. They look more like an army than a police force now.

They are so going to out-stupid themselves somehow. I think shooting those two poor women in a truck earlier this week was just a preview.

Not to be a buzzkill, but, they are an army. You're talking about one of the most militarized police forces in the United States, the folks who practically invented SWAT, and they're sure as hell looking forward to shooting this guy before someone in the Justice Department gets his hands on him.

Jesus Christ, people, read the article before posting. This isn't a bounty. It's a reward for information leading to his arrest. You don't get the money if you walk up to him and shoot him. Every member of the FBI's most wanted list has a similar reward. This isn't a new concept.

If you're a random person (not LAPD or on Dorner's list), what incentive do you have to call the police? Dorner isn't killing random people. Someone is more likely to die when the police swarm the neighborhood and start shooting at the paperboy or someone walking their dog. Sure you might get a million dollars for the tip, you might also get killed by some dumbass cop.

/although you could annoy the hell out of people by using a payphone to submit false tips, the PD would roll in and lock down the neighborhood for hours, if not days, at this point

flak attack:Jesus Christ, people, read the article before posting. This isn't a bounty. It's a reward for information leading to his arrest. You don't get the money if you walk up to him and shoot him. Every member of the FBI's most wanted list has a similar reward. This isn't a new concept.

flak attack:Jesus Christ, people, read the article before posting. This isn't a bounty. It's a reward for information leading to his arrest. You don't get the money if you walk up to him and shoot him. Every member of the FBI's most wanted list has a similar reward. This isn't a new concept.

rev. dave:The LAPD is coming unglued. From all the way across the country I can tell that this is getting a reaction from them which is out of proportion to what you normally would expect. They look more like an army than a police force now.

They do?

Cuz I live in L.A. and I've not seen any sign of an army anywhere on the ground.

"Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

I like this comment, because unlike other LA Cops, Dorner is particular about who he shoots.

I feel like if they just let him kill the people he's after, we'd all be a lot safer. After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

I'd be surprised if he's still in LA. Perhaps the threats on the others was just a smoke screen to keep the search focused on the LA area to give him time to head out of town. (although I'm sure they've already thought of that)

DoomPaul:"Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

Hey, these are the good times. Before long, Corporations will be financing the assassination of citizens by the police.

mrlewish:flak attack: Jesus Christ, people, read the article before posting. This isn't a bounty. It's a reward for information leading to his arrest. You don't get the money if you walk up to him and shoot him. Every member of the FBI's most wanted list has a similar reward. This isn't a new concept.

You know a bounty is a reward?

flak attack forgot this Fark as well. Where reading the article has nothing to do with the comments.

Besides if the police are calling for civilians to shoot up the place, then that means instead of paying out to innocent people shot by accident they can arrest the civilian instead. Quite the game to play, shoot trucks and either go to jail for shooting the wrong person or get $1,000,000. Either way, the cops no longer have to be called idiots for shooting the wrong folks.

5 star chef of tv dinners:This bounty will never be paid though. The bounty is for his "arrest". Considering that the police are just shooting random trucks up looking for this guy then arresting isn't on their agenda.

Yeah, I think the chief gave that away when he said yesterday (re: reopening the IA case) "I do this not to appease a murderer". If he thought there was any chance of a trial he'd have called Dorner "the suspect".

He's had enough time, he could be in my neighborhood by now. It would make sense to head to a city with enough people to blend in and the police aren't looking for you. Going a thousand or so miles would buy some time.

Kumana Wanalaia:DoomPaul: "Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

Hey, these are the good times. Before long, Corporations will be financing the assassination of citizens by the police.

Ugh, don't give them any ideas.

I just really wish the Law Enforcement community would protect the public day-to-day with the same commitment and fervor with which they protect their own. Also, holding officers to the same punishment as civilians would be nice. I'm pretty sure if I shot up those trucks, I would be sitting in jail for attempted murder.

apoptotic:5 star chef of tv dinners: This bounty will never be paid though. The bounty is for his "arrest". Considering that the police are just shooting random trucks up looking for this guy then arresting isn't on their agenda.

Yeah, I think the chief gave that away when he said yesterday (re: reopening the IA case) "I do this not to appease a murderer". If he thought there was any chance of a trial he'd have called Dorner "the suspect".

The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

For those of you that are rooting for him, get your life together. He killed two people that had nothing to do with anything, they just happened to be related to someone he didn't like. For all he knew she hated her father as much as he did. And the other three cops he shot? Weren't even farking LAPD. They could have been the "small percentage" of good ones.

This man is unhinged, a murderer and deserves to be brought to justice. LAPD obviously has some major problems but that doesn't mean cops in neighboring cities should be shot to death simply for wearing a badge.

DoomPaul:"Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

I'm curious what motivation some of the donors on this list had. Seems like an unusual bunch.

This isnt a bribe for you or me or almost anyone else. This is a bribe for his "accomplices" who they believe are hiding him. This is rapid desperation and its pretty telling. They must have absolutely no idea where he is and this leads credence to Dorner's manifesto bragging that they wont be able to find him.

He's had enough time, he could be in my neighborhood by now. It would make sense to head to a city with enough people to blend in and the police aren't looking for you. Going a thousand or so miles would buy some time.

There has to be some kind of time limit where if he can avoid contact with the police for X amount of time, he will reach a point where he cannot be recognized. Grow out his hair, wait for the news cycle to move on, get some glasses, ear rings, stuff that will make him look different. Live in an area with plenty of other large black guys, etc.

I would tend to assume there was an alternative means of transportation somewhere near that burned out Nissan on Big Bear and he's moved on, but he might be back once the protective details are gone. Really now the big question is how patient he is and if he can happily lurk around in some bolthole for months.

LessO2:mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

He torched his truck in the morning and he had plenty of time to get away.

They saw his footprints and the trail eventually went cold.

He's out there. He's not in any hurry to make his next move.

With his training, he probably used a time delay fuse and was well out of the area before the truck went up in flames. Why would he set the truck on fire unless he wanted cops to focus their attention to that area?

This reward reminds me of an old joke. Man walks into a newspaper office to place an add. Lost dog. Black poodle. Name tag on collar is Precious. $5000 reward. Clerk says, you must really love your wife to offer that large reward. Man says, I'm not too worried about anyone collecting it, Precious is buried 6 feet deep in the back yard.

Popcorn Johnny:What I want to know is if they're going to start a trend of offering a million dollar reward for somebody on the run after killing a civilian?

If that is your criteria for the trend then Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) set this bar a long time back. He did have a $1,000,000 reward after killing random civilians. Coincidentally both Kaczynski and Dorner have 3 civilian kills each.

poe_zlaw:Nina Haagen Dazs: Somebody could make a few bucks by turning this into a bumpersticker[pbs.twimg.com image 850x634]

that would be so boss if he was found with a big, goofy handwritten sign like that on the back of his truck

Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View26708. (a) (1) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.

UsikFark:Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View26708. (a) (1) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.

Of course right about now, 90% of SoCal PD is too scared to get out of their cruiser to issue that ticket.

A few months ago, some guy fired on a CHP motorcycle cop, ran his car into a telephone pole and fled on foot near my company's office building. This was late in the afternoon. This resulted in 2 ghetto birds flying around and the cops blocked off the entrance to the 405, inevitably causing a lot of traffic problems.

My coworkers learning about what happened were annoyed that they'd have to figure out an alternate route to get to the freeway to go home. They were not concerned that some desperate criminal was running around the area.

DoomPaul:LessO2: mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

He torched his truck in the morning and he had plenty of time to get away.

They saw his footprints and the trail eventually went cold.

He's out there. He's not in any hurry to make his next move.

With his training, he probably used a time delay fuse and was well out of the area before the truck went up in flames. Why would he set the truck on fire unless he wanted cops to focus their attention to that area?

Set car on fire. Walk 1 mile to other car. Drive away. Meanwhile, leave ID and a wallet 90 miles away.

His point is to obscure where he's at, and where he's going. I hate to give him credit, but if he's dead from exposure he's got a touch of the Downs.

There seems to me to be more chances than not he is already dead (likely by his own hand). The truck with a broken axle, ammo and camping gear just points to his planned rampage falling apart. Maybe he is/was uber devious and set this up as a brilliant diversion but that takes a pretty big stretch to buy I think. With the fresh snow and cold temperatures all the heat detecting aircraft in existence won't find a frozen cadaver. Dogs don't do too well when there is a foot of new snow covering any tracks either. With his plans trashed by the breakdown of his truck and the certainty that he is/was a dead man anyway, hiking off into the forest and taking his own life would leave the police hunting for him until the spring thaw, a great FU that will keep the public's eye on the LAPD for some time. That is about as much vengeance as he could hope for after the axle broke.

ha-ha-guy:UsikFark: Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View26708. (a) (1) A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.

Of course right about now, 90% of SoCal PD is too scared to get out of their cruiser to issue that ticket.

Gurrker:There seems to me to be more chances than not he is already dead (likely by his own hand). The truck with a broken axle, ammo and camping gear just points to his planned rampage falling apart. Maybe he is/was uber devious and set this up as a brilliant diversion but that takes a pretty big stretch to buy I think. With the fresh snow and cold temperatures all the heat detecting aircraft in existence won't find a frozen cadaver. Dogs don't do too well when there is a foot of new snow covering any tracks either. With his plans trashed by the breakdown of his truck and the certainty that he is/was a dead man anyway, hiking off into the forest and taking his own life would leave the police hunting for him until the spring thaw, a great FU that will keep the public's eye on the LAPD for some time. That is about as much vengeance as he could hope for after the axle broke.

Why would he leave his survival gear and weapons behind in the truck though? If he was going to have to hoof through Big Bear it you'd expect the survival gear to be taken by him. Given he's planted other false flags (the badge on the sidewalk) and the like, it seems just as credible to say he loaded the truck down to make it look like he was going to pull an Eric Rudolph.

Speaking of conspiracy theories, it was pointed out on another thread today that by reopening a 5 year old investigation the LAPD can deny any & all FOIA requests on it because it is an "ongoing investigation".

Absolutely bang on. It sure smells funny when they put out a bounty on a fugitive. I've never heard of any police force putting a bounty on someone before. Looks like they want him to be shut up pretty bad and permanently. Last bounty I heard of was exclusively for relatives and friends of ruling dictatorships.

Dorner had time to set the whole thing up, so he's likely long gone. A second vehicle, drive down to the coast, hop a small boat and you're in Mexico tomorrow. Where you probably have a safehouse waiting.

maddermaxx:TommyJReed: Given the level of competence shown by the LAPD during this whole fiasco; I'm quite surprised that LL Cool J wasn't gunned down by uniformed officers on the red carpet at the Grammy awards.

He should really hole up at home until this blows over, because he is going to get murdered by a bounty hunter sometime soon.

So, I was wondering out loud, "why did Dorner bother setting his truck on fire... it's not like he was concerned about fingerprints..." and my wife pointed out that he heard about the shooting of the two women and the surfer:

Timeline:Feb. 7: At 5:30 a.m. Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments each shoot at two pickup trucks they each mistakenly believe is Dorner's, after hearing over their radios that he may be coming their way. Two women are injured in the first shooting.Feb. 7: About 8:30 a.m., Dorner's burned out truck was found in the area of Forest Road 2N10 and Club View in Big Bear Lake. About 2:30 p.m., deputies were able to confirm the vehicle belonged to Christopher Dorner.

In other words, (i) Dorner has a police scanner, and (ii) he doesn't want innocent people shot.

rvabenji:They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

rvabenji:The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

For those of you that are rooting for him, get your life together. He killed two people that had nothing to do with anything, they just happened to be related to someone he didn't like. For all he knew she hated her father as much as he did. And the other three cops he shot? Weren't even farking LAPD. They could have been the "small percentage" of good ones.

This man is unhinged, a murderer and deserves to be brought to justice. LAPD obviously has some major problems but that doesn't mean cops in neighboring cities should be shot to death simply for wearing a badge.

He is suspected in these killings. No proof, no trial. Remember the "old innocent until proven guilty" concept?

Land Ark:Tickle Mittens: Popcorn Johnny: How much for a random black dude?

I like this comment, because unlike other LA Cops, Dorner is particular about who he shoots.

I feel like if they just let him kill the people he's after, we'd all be a lot safer. After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

Seriously? I am so sick of hearing how he has not killed an innocent person. He has killed THREE innocent people. The daughter had nothing to do with his case, her dad did. The boyfriend made the huge mistake of falling in love with a cops daughter? And then, to top it off, a cop doing his damned job will never see his children grow up because of this clown

I am mot defending the police here, they have a lot of explaining to do. This guy is scum and he has killed innocents. Enough with the pretending that he is a good guy.

How the hell is anyone going to find him? He's like a master of disguise.

A buddy of mine is the spitting image of Dorner, he is only 5 foot 7 tho, we gave him a goatee and a mullet wig (both blond) he flipped us off but after seeing a CNN report showing the pickups the LAPD shot up he dug em out of the trash can and put em on....

Theaetetus:So, I was wondering out loud, "why did Dorner bother setting his truck on fire... it's not like he was concerned about fingerprints..." and my wife pointed out that he heard about the shooting of the two women and the surfer:

Timeline:Feb. 7: At 5:30 a.m. Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments each shoot at two pickup trucks they each mistakenly believe is Dorner's, after hearing over their radios that he may be coming their way. Two women are injured in the first shooting.Feb. 7: About 8:30 a.m., Dorner's burned out truck was found in the area of Forest Road 2N10 and Club View in Big Bear Lake. About 2:30 p.m., deputies were able to confirm the vehicle belonged to Christopher Dorner.

In other words, (i) Dorner has a police scanner, and (ii) he doesn't want innocent people shot.

I don't think he specifically set his truck on fire for that reason. He wanted police to think he was in the Big Bear area. He could have easily ditched his truck in a lake or a pre-dug ditch and covered it up, parked it in an obscure area, or switched license plates. Instead he chose to do something that would instantly bring attention from nearby people and eventually law enforcement. He had to have had this planned in advance to draw police to the area and concentrate there while he could move to another location(s) more easily.

DoomPaul:Kumana Wanalaia: DoomPaul: "Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

Hey, these are the good times. Before long, Corporations will be financing the assassination of citizens by the police.

Ugh, don't give them any ideas.

I just really wish the Law Enforcement community would protect the public day-to-day with the same commitment and fervor with which they protect their own. Also, holding officers to the same punishment as civilians would be nice. I'm pretty sure if I shot up those trucks, I would be sitting in jail for attempted murder.

It's ok for the police to fark up but you better not, citizen.

1million dollars for this man who has a set target and not randomly killing peopleandnight stalker bounty in 1989 $36,777.00 adjust for inflation $68,094.99

Be nice if the city and police dpt came down hard on every serial killer as they do on Dorner

DoomPaul:I don't think he specifically set his truck on fire for that reason. He wanted police to think he was in the Big Bear area. He could have easily ditched his truck in a lake or a pre-dug ditch and covered it up, parked it in an obscure area, or switched license plates. Instead he chose to do something that would instantly bring attention from nearby people and eventually law enforcement. He had to have had this planned in advance to draw police to the area and concentrate there while he could move to another location(s) more easily.

Is it known how much time passed between the car being set on fire and it being found?

finnished:DoomPaul: I don't think he specifically set his truck on fire for that reason. He wanted police to think he was in the Big Bear area. He could have easily ditched his truck in a lake or a pre-dug ditch and covered it up, parked it in an obscure area, or switched license plates. Instead he chose to do something that would instantly bring attention from nearby people and eventually law enforcement. He had to have had this planned in advance to draw police to the area and concentrate there while he could move to another location(s) more easily.

Is it known how much time passed between the car being set on fire and it being found?

He shot at several police officers at 1:30 AM at Thursday then got away. His truck was found burning at noon the same day.

blanchae:rvabenji: The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

For those of you that are rooting for him, get your life together. He killed two people that had nothing to do with anything, they just happened to be related to someone he didn't like. For all he knew she hated her father as much as he did. And the other three cops he shot? Weren't even farking LAPD. They could have been the "small percentage" of good ones.

This man is unhinged, a murderer and deserves to be brought to justice. LAPD obviously has some major problems but that doesn't mean cops in neighboring cities should be shot to death simply for wearing a badge.

He is suspected in these killings. No proof, no trial. Remember the "old innocent until proven guilty" concept?

They were killed by someone who was in their backseat, apparently? In a parking garage with security cameras? But no one saw nothing and there's no taped footage?

TommyJReed:Given the level of competence shown by the LAPD during this whole fiasco; I'm quite surprised that LL Cool J wasn't gunned down by uniformed officers on the red carpet at the Grammy awards.

Oh good, im not the only one who sees it. A buddy of mine asked me yesterday "Who the hell does Dorner look like, celebrity, its been bugging me since this whole thing started?" "He looks like a 4:3 LL Cool J in 16:9."

DoomPaul:Theaetetus: So, I was wondering out loud, "why did Dorner bother setting his truck on fire... it's not like he was concerned about fingerprints..." and my wife pointed out that he heard about the shooting of the two women and the surfer:

Timeline:Feb. 7: At 5:30 a.m. Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments each shoot at two pickup trucks they each mistakenly believe is Dorner's, after hearing over their radios that he may be coming their way. Two women are injured in the first shooting.Feb. 7: About 8:30 a.m., Dorner's burned out truck was found in the area of Forest Road 2N10 and Club View in Big Bear Lake. About 2:30 p.m., deputies were able to confirm the vehicle belonged to Christopher Dorner.

In other words, (i) Dorner has a police scanner, and (ii) he doesn't want innocent people shot.

I don't think he specifically set his truck on fire for that reason. He wanted police to think he was in the Big Bear area. He could have easily ditched his truck in a lake or a pre-dug ditch and covered it up, parked it in an obscure area, or switched license plates. Instead he chose to do something that would instantly bring attention from nearby people and eventually law enforcement. He had to have had this planned in advance to draw police to the area and concentrate there while he could move to another location(s) more easily.

Except that we'll never know when Dorner's truck axle broke. That's because Keystone Cops removing the truck from the scene aren't sure if the axle was already broken when they found the truck or if they broke it while removing it from the scene.

LessO2:mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

He torched his truck in the morning and he had plenty of time to get away.

They saw his footprints and the trail eventually went cold.

He's out there. He's not in any hurry to make his next move.

He's got a two day head start, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to Seattle, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already.

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin:DoomPaul: Theaetetus: So, I was wondering out loud, "why did Dorner bother setting his truck on fire... it's not like he was concerned about fingerprints..." and my wife pointed out that he heard about the shooting of the two women and the surfer:

Timeline:Feb. 7: At 5:30 a.m. Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments each shoot at two pickup trucks they each mistakenly believe is Dorner's, after hearing over their radios that he may be coming their way. Two women are injured in the first shooting.Feb. 7: About 8:30 a.m., Dorner's burned out truck was found in the area of Forest Road 2N10 and Club View in Big Bear Lake. About 2:30 p.m., deputies were able to confirm the vehicle belonged to Christopher Dorner.

In other words, (i) Dorner has a police scanner, and (ii) he doesn't want innocent people shot.

I don't think he specifically set his truck on fire for that reason. He wanted police to think he was in the Big Bear area. He could have easily ditched his truck in a lake or a pre-dug ditch and covered it up, parked it in an obscure area, or switched license plates. Instead he chose to do something that would instantly bring attention from nearby people and eventually law enforcement. He had to have had this planned in advance to draw police to the area and concentrate there while he could move to another location(s) more easily.

Except that we'll never know when Dorner's truck axle broke. That's because Keystone Cops removing the truck from the scene aren't sure if the axle was already broken when they found the truck or if they broke it while removing it from the scene.

Who the hell does a one have to kill? Now, 30 million is ridiculous. Let's be honest here. There needs to be a bar to measure at and even OBL didn't get that much. But a million is just insulting. Especially after the IRS gets its cut. Just to show some respect, they should have at least offered 5. 10 would have been a nice gesture.

Through it all I am still most amazed that police can identify a severely burned out truck, but had issues on multiple occasions identifying undamaged trucks.

Also the statement that still irks me through this all:"'I do this not to appease a murderer. I do it to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all things we do," the chief said in a statement.'

1. He is not a murderer yet. Ok well he is (my opinion) but not official yet and it is bad form for any public official to publicly state otherwise prior to a trial.2. The police department should not be reviewing the prior case for the public's sake they should be reviewing the prior case FOR THEIR OWN SAKE.3. "Fair in all things we do." Yes yes they are. Such as naming an man, who to this point has been convicted of nothing, a murderer.

The outcome I hope that arises from all of this is Dorner turns himself in some place far from LA and is able to convince someone that there is zero chance of him receiving a fair trial in LA. That he has some really really farking good lawyer more interested in prestige than money on his side and that at the end of everything he goes to prison and a crap ton of LA cops get fired/end up in prison as a result of it.

I personally disagree with how Dorner has proceeded with things, but I have found the police reaction in Southern California through the course of these events (as well as at a lot of prior events) abhorrent. I find it ridiculous that not once but twice police have shot up vehicles that not only do not match the description of Dorners truck, but the occupants were no where near Dorner's description, and the end result of all of that will be no major reprimands for the police. All of those officers SHOULD BE facing charges of attempted murder, because that is what they actually did. And to anyone that defends the cops for those actions, go fark yourself, police even more so than other gun users should follow one of the primary rules of using firearms CLEARLY IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET BEFORE YOU PULL THE TRIGGER. If you do not know what you are shooting at then you should not be shooting in the first place.

I don't dislike all police, just those that are doing the exact opposite of their stated jobs.

Look, I don't want him killing anyone else. But the Justice Department needs to look into all of his allegations. Having the LAPD re-open the investigation is not going to yield anything new or different.

I hope they catch the guy alive, but I sure wouldn't bet my lunch money on it. Those cops are out for blood.

Kumana Wanalaia:DoomPaul: "Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

Hey, these are the good times. Before long, Corporations will be financing the assassination of citizens by the police.

rvabenji:The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

For those of you that are rooting for him, get your life together. He killed two people that had nothing to do with anything, they just happened to be related to someone he didn't like. For all he knew she hated her father as much as he did. And the other three cops he shot? Weren't even farking LAPD. They could have been the "small percentage" of good ones.

This man is unhinged, a murderer and deserves to be brought to justice. LAPD obviously has some major problems but that doesn't mean cops in neighboring cities should be shot to death simply for wearing a badge.

I don't think it's mutually exclusive that he is a crazy murderer OR a guy who knows too much, I think it's both. I think he witnessed things he wasn't psychologically able to handle, when he tried to do something to stop it, they went all Thin Blue Line on him and started persecuting him, which eventually caused him to snap, and when he did so, he didn't do it in a 'good' way, he just had a mental breakdown and became violent and killed innocent people.

So, I don't think he's a saint or a martyr, but I think he did see things the LAPD does not want being made public. And if it was true that he witnessed the killing and coverup of an innocent person, I think a case could be made that it caused PTSD which contributed to his snapping and subsequent killing rampage.

Of course, such a case won't be made for the obvious reasons, but just from how the LAPD is reacting, I think there's a lot of blame to go around in this situation.

Who the hell does a one have to kill? Now, 30 million is ridiculous. Let's be honest here. There needs to be a bar to measure at and even OBL didn't get that much. But a million is just insulting. Especially after the IRS gets its cut. Just to show some respect, they should have at least offered 5. 10 would have been a nice gesture.

rvabenji:The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

For those of you that are rooting for him, get your life together. He killed two people that had nothing to do with anything, they just happened to be related to someone he didn't like. For all he knew she hated her father as much as he did. And the other three cops he shot? Weren't even farking LAPD. They could have been the "small percentage" of good ones.

This man is unhinged, a murderer and deserves to be brought to justice. LAPD obviously has some major problems but that doesn't mean cops in neighboring cities should be shot to death simply for wearing a badge.

As i have previously pointed out in other threads those are ALLEGED crimes. The only ones they know for sure are the attack on the four cops since they actually had witnesses for those. So technically he can only be called a murderer of one and an ATTEMPTED murderer of three more. Just slightly worse then the area Police./just saying.

Sofakinbd:Popcorn Johnny: What I want to know is if they're going to start a trend of offering a million dollar reward for somebody on the run after killing a civilian?

If that is your criteria for the trend then Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) set this bar a long time back. He did have a $1,000,000 reward after killing random civilians. Coincidentally both Kaczynski and Dorner have 3 civilian kills each.

-Sofa

Although it did take 15 years for the Unabomber reward to be posted. The LAPD certainly were quick on the draw (in more ways than one) to offer the same type of reward on someone who appears not to be a threat to anyone but 40 specific people and police officers.

It's only because of the poor marksmanship of the LAPD that the death tally isn't currently 3 on both sides.

Theaetetus:So, I was wondering out loud, "why did Dorner bother setting his truck on fire... it's not like he was concerned about fingerprints..." and my wife pointed out that he heard about the shooting of the two women and the surfer:

Timeline:Feb. 7: At 5:30 a.m. Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments each shoot at two pickup trucks they each mistakenly believe is Dorner's, after hearing over their radios that he may be coming their way. Two women are injured in the first shooting.Feb. 7: About 8:30 a.m., Dorner's burned out truck was found in the area of Forest Road 2N10 and Club View in Big Bear Lake. About 2:30 p.m., deputies were able to confirm the vehicle belonged to Christopher Dorner.

In other words, (i) Dorner has a police scanner, and (ii) he doesn't want innocent people shot.

...Oh, god, that would be so horrible. I mean, damn. The guy is batshiat, but he's trying to do the right thing, and to suddenly realize he's farked up like that...

/Really hope the dude just comes to his senses, goes to an FBI office in another city, and turns himself the hell in.

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin:Except that we'll never know when Dorner's truck axle broke. That's because Keystone Cops removing the truck from the scene aren't sure if the axle was already broken when they found the truck or if they broke it while removing it from the scene.

Seems like it almost has to be after it burned, doesn't it? I mean, it's a truck, not a covered wagon. When's the last time you heard of a vehicle axle breaking and stranding someone? On the other hand, after a really hot fire, I can totally see it breaking while being towed.

I have never been one of those conspiracy type people but reading some of his so-called manifesto, if any of that is true? Christ. I do not condone any innocent people dying (if he did it - adjusting tin-foil hat) but there's just so much farked up shiat that just seems plausible. It really does sound like a movie. A man pushed off the edge when he was trying to do the right thing. Wowza.

LAPD looks like a bunch of schmucks. Putting out a $1,000,000 so vigilantes can get to this guy is insane.

Mitrovarr:Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Except that we'll never know when Dorner's truck axle broke. That's because Keystone Cops removing the truck from the scene aren't sure if the axle was already broken when they found the truck or if they broke it while removing it from the scene.

Seems like it almost has to be after it burned, doesn't it? I mean, it's a truck, not a covered wagon. When's the last time you heard of a vehicle axle breaking and stranding someone? On the other hand, after a really hot fire, I can totally see it breaking while being towed.

I'm a GM engineer so I guess I'm supposed to hate the Titan, but it isn't a truck that is all that easy to break. The only two ways I really see it breaking prior to the fire is if there was some kind of encounter (a ramming) by LAPD that we haven't been told about or Dorner was driving the hell out of on the mountain road because he felt he was behind schedule. It could of course also have failed when he burned it and the gas tank went up or when they yanked it out of there.

It seems like low odds he broke the axle, was stranded, and then left the survival gear behind. Plus if it is unplanned and you really are stranded on foot, why burn the truck out and risk the fire drawing their attention? It isn't like they have no clue who you are and purging your DNA out of the interior is ever so important. They already have all kinds of info on him from when he did his security clearance paperwork and applied to be a cop.

A. Snatchfold:beta_plus: ONLY A MILLION BUCKS???!!!!! farkING SERIOUSLY??!???!!!!!

Who the hell does a one have to kill? Now, 30 million is ridiculous. Let's be honest here. There needs to be a bar to measure at and even OBL didn't get that much. But a million is just insulting. Especially after the IRS gets its cut. Just to show some respect, they should have at least offered 5. 10 would have been a nice gesture.

I have you farkied as 'delusional republican'. Good to know I was on point with that assessment.

AAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! You've been called on your hypocrisy and now you're all butthurt. AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW!

/the party of peace and tolerance strikes again!//maybe they'll kill another innocent hot asian chick who won't sleep with them!///Asian chicks won't sleep with me either - but I don't kill them over it.///I just split the check. Much more legal and a lot less messy.

LAPD is out to murder this guy. Ok I get it, violent gangs like the police have to keep internal order and violence is the only thing that they understand, but it would be nice if they would leave us out of it.

After the discovery of his truck Thursday afternoon, SWAT teams in camouflage started scouring the mountains:

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Gosh... they blend right into the snow... I can hardly see them in that picture.

Pretty good more on Dorner's part though. The neighboring cops who could be manning checkpoints or supplementing LAPD manpower are now out freezing their asses off to check the hundreds of vacation homes up on Big Bear.

mialynneb:I have never been one of those conspiracy type people but reading some of his so-called manifesto, if any of that is true? Christ. I do not condone any innocent people dying (if he did it - adjusting tin-foil hat) but there's just so much farked up shiat that just seems plausible. It really does sound like a movie. A man pushed off the edge when he was trying to do the right thing. Wowza.

LAPD looks like a bunch of schmucks. Putting out a $1,000,000 so vigilantes can get to this guy is insane.

^THIS. I'm starting to get a feel for why people in the Depression rooted for Bonnie and Clyde.

ambercat:I think he witnessed things he wasn't psychologically able to handle, when he tried to do something to stop it, they went all Thin Blue Line on him and started persecuting him, which eventually caused him to snap, and when he did so, he didn't do it in a 'good' way, he just had a mental breakdown and became violent and killed innocent people.

Not exactly.He chose to deal with his experience inside the LAPD as he was trained by the LAPD itself: with senseless violence and vindictive revenge.It's a biatch when an authoritarian follower decides the game is rotten and blows back like this.Call him crazy if you must, but he knows exactly what he's doing.

Mitrovarr:Seems like it almost has to be after it burned, doesn't it? I mean, it's a truck, not a covered wagon. When's the last time you heard of a vehicle axle breaking and stranding someone? On the other hand, after a really hot fire, I can totally see it breaking while being towed.

Depends on how hard you push it. Back in the Army one exercise we were on a Humvee got stuck in the mud and snapped the drivetrain. So we got a HEMMT (one of the huge 8 wheeled trucks) to pull it out

ha-ha-guy:Plus if it is unplanned and you really are stranded on foot, why burn the truck out and risk the fire drawing their attention? It isn't like they have no clue who you are and purging your DNA out of the interior is ever so important. They already have all kinds of info on him from when he did his security clearance paperwork and applied to be a cop.

The two most plausible theories I've seen so far, one on this thread, are that:

A) He is sufficiently paranoid and convinced of the righteousness of his cause that he believed the LAPD would plant something in his truck to discredit him, so he burned it in order to head off their discovery of a bunch of child porn and meth.B) He is sufficiently concerned about those he views as innocent bystanders that when he heard that cops were shooting up trucks that looked like his, he wanted to make it known to the world that he wasn't driving it anymore and that they could stop doing that.

Gosh... they blend right into the snow... I can hardly see them in that picture.

LOL.

Not so CSB: I nearly ran over a couple of guys in BDUs near a National Guard armory the other night. It was dusk and they materialized out of thin air about a car length in front of me. All I could do was roll down the window and say "Jesus, I'm sorry, guys. Your camo worked."

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo:LessO2: mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

He torched his truck in the morning and he had plenty of time to get away.

They saw his footprints and the trail eventually went cold.

He's out there. He's not in any hurry to make his next move.

He's got a two day head start, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to Seattle, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already.

Breygon:Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: LessO2: mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

He torched his truck in the morning and he had plenty of time to get away.

They saw his footprints and the trail eventually went cold.

He's out there. He's not in any hurry to make his next move.

He's got a two day head start, which is more than he needs. He's got friends in every town and village from here to Seattle, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already.

/drtfa

I like you

That or he's ended up in a castle that lured him with a Grail-shaped beacon. God help him if that's true...

freewill:The two most plausible theories I've seen so far, one on this thread, are that:

It also just generally adds to the crime lab bill and harassment of law enforcement. I'm not so sure about the child porn one, because they could always dump it in his hotel room and find it there. The drugs plant wouldn't be very credible given he was active duty military until recently and the military has drug tests (plus he had to pass them for his clearance).

My pet theory, with no proof, was the Titan was dumped up there before he shot anyone, with a timer wired to a firebomb. He had to know that truck was instantly hot and Titans aren't that common. There are likely less than 350,000 Titans on the road right now, which isn't much compared to say the Chevy Impala which sells between 150,000 and 300,000 units per year. The Titan is a horrible option for avoiding police detection and Dorner likely new that.

TV's Vinnie:Elandriel: This whole think stinks of coverup. I can't help but feel there's a hell of a lot more going on than what we've been allowed to know.

Killing a cop is ho-hum, but THIS particular killing is making people start to ask questions that the bigshots of LA don't want the peasants to be asking.

Yeah.

Y'know. At first I bought the party line that Dorner was a crazy renegade. His letter/manifesto was a little unhinged. Not seriously so, but not exactly a fine argument.

However, given that one of the main allegations against the LAPD by Dorner was about their brutality. . .which they happily showed in their pursuit of him so far.

Their overall behavior has been increasingly suspicious. It really does seem like they have no intent on bringing him in alive, whatever he knows, they are scared of it seeing an open court.

His best bet is to contact the FBI, work out some kind of deal. If he's got any evidence about corruption, he might be able to cut some kind of deal with the Feds. Even if that's not possible, if he really wants to bring the LAPD down on whatever he knows, he needs to say it on the record in a courtroom, and the only way that's going to happen is if he surrenders. . .to the Feds, not to LAPD (or other local SoCal law enforcement it seems).

Unfortunately you need ID to get into a Federal building, so it's not like he can just walk right in to a Federal courthouse or office building and say "here I am", not without fake ID.

His smartest move at this point would be to contact a lawyer and meet them in private, allow the lawyer to handcuff him, and deliver him to a police station outside of Los Angeles. Then the transfer could take place without them turning him into a screen door.

SwingingJohnson:He has actually been hiding in plain sight on Hollywood Blvd.

That would be absolutely brilliant!

On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.

On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.

The chief likely should have said we'll look into it once Dorner is in custody.

DoomPaul:"Police officers associations and law enforcement departments in Long Beach, San Diego, Irvine and Riverside are among the donors to the reward. The list also includes USC President Max Nikias, the Dodgers, AEG, the Safer CA Foundation, the Orange County Crimestoppers and six anonymous donors.

Great, now private citizens can finance the assassination of other citizens by the police.

SubBass49:His smartest move at this point would be to contact a lawyer and meet them in private, allow the lawyer to handcuff him, and deliver him to a police station outside of Los Angeles. Then the transfer could take place without them turning him into a screen door.

Bontesla:StokeyBob: mbillips: Can you collect it if you find his frozen corpse? 'Cause that dude is dead of exposure by now. Probably died a few hours after he left his truck.

Quite a few empty second homes or cabins in the area.

Perhaps he's dead and the LAPD knows that a dead body suddenly makes the allegations of corruption much more interesting?

Nah, it wouldn't be that suspicious at this point for him to have died in a legitimate firefight. He's already made it clear that he does intend to kill police officers, and even though I think the LAPD seem "suspicious" in this whole thing, only an idiot would say they shouldn't fire back.

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin:On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.

Apparently, all you have to do is go full Joker for an evening, leave a note promising more, then drive away really fast and the entire region's public safety apparatus comes unhinged.

"Look what I did to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets. Hmmm? You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan.' Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!"

On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.

The problem is the manifesto.

The manifesto was too eloquent to ignore. If it were incoherent ramblings, most would be rooting for the LAPD to ventilate him. But... the manifesto was clearly written and compelling. The manifesto put forth a clear picture of an honorably discharged military man who became a cop. And when he tried to do the right thing, was terminated. That's one side of the story but it was clearly and compellingly presented.

JungleBoogie:The manifesto was too eloquent to ignore. If it were incoherent ramblings, most would be rooting for the LAPD to ventilate him. But... the manifesto was clearly written and compelling. The manifesto put forth a clear picture of an honorably discharged military man who became a cop. And when he tried to do the right thing, was terminated. That's one side of the story but it was clearly and compellingly presented.

He was a cop, and good at his job. But he committed the ultimate sin and testified against other cops gone bad. Cops who tried to kill him, but got the women who deliver the newspapers instead.

JungleBoogie:SwingingJohnson: He has actually been hiding in plain sight on Hollywood Blvd.

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Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: That would be absolutely brilliant!

On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.

The problem is the manifesto.

The manifesto was too eloquent to ignore. If it were incoherent ramblings, most would be rooting for the LAPD to ventilate him. But... the manifesto was clearly written and compelling. The manifesto put forth a clear picture of an honorably discharged military man who became a cop. And when he tried to do the right thing, was terminated. That's one side of the story but it was clearly and compellingly presented.

As the saying goes, "The penis mightier than the sword."

I'd write about "LA" in my eloquent manifesto and then travel thousands of miles away in the car I'd stashed in the State Park to tear up a community 1,000 miles away from all that crap I talked about in my manifesto, just to get everyone to pay attention. But then, if I did that, I'd be crazy. wait....

ontariolightning:We're not supposed to root for dorner cause he killed innocents but we are supposed to respect and root for the military whom kills innocents and chalks it up to collateral damage?

This is so farked

That's what makes the whole thing interesting.

Most people are not rooting for Dormer in a plain sense.

Many people may hope he was actually set up, it's a common enough fantasy to have raked in millions(if not billions in hollywood). I'd rather enjoy it if that was the case.

Actually hoping he gets away because of a Belief that he is innocent is another deal entirely, and I hope, somewhat rare. The belief is the qualifier here, though on fark, even people who may seem like this type of person may just indeed be part of the former group, just ill expressed.

My bets are that there is a mixture of fault, as it were. As other people have stated, he may have seen a lot of bad stuff and snapped. That's where my money lies.

Why drive 2 hours to san diego to throw away some clips. then drive 4 hours to big bear to hide. Hes a marine, he probably secured a boat, burned the car, took a vehicle he bought in cash. Drove back to san diego and hit the water.

Marines and water go hand and hand. I would laugh if they found him under the ice on the lake chilling in a submersible.

The manifesto was too eloquent to ignore. If it were incoherent ramblings, most would be rooting for the LAPD to ventilate him. But... the manifesto was clearly written and compelling. The manifesto put forth a clear picture of an honorably discharged military man who became a cop. And when he tried to do the right thing, was terminated. That's one side of the story but it was clearly and compellingly presented.

As the saying goes, "The penis mightier than the sword."

Being wrongfully fired seldom makes reasonable men write manifestos and it never turns an otherwise fine person into one who enjoys executing people in cold blood. The dude was already broken and not fit to be a police officer. Whatever else the LAPD did wrong, they did manage to terminate the employment of an insane cop when they fired Dorner. Shame they didnt find him some psychological help too. But they got him out of uniform.

SuperNinjaToad:Wouldn't it be absolutely crazy if Donner happens to be a farker and reading all these threads about him?

Unbelivably recognizable face. Everybody in America looking for him for either a head or a autograph followed by a cash payout. If he's not out at sea then he's in one of many safe houses tucked away and not coming out for a month or so with nothing better to do than use borrowed electricity and wifi to read about public opinion on his exploits and troll people to pass the time.

Only question is, whats his handle.

/whats really funny is not that he's here, but that theres 20 cops scouring every site thinking they can find him.

SwingingJohnson: He has actually been hiding in plain sight on Hollywood Blvd.

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Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: That would be absolutely brilliant!

On a side note, KFI640AM is making a good point right now... Dorner wanted his case reopened and his method of doing so was by killing people. Giving in to his demands sets a pretty bad precedence by the police chief.----------------------------------------JungleBoogie: The problem is the manifesto.

The manifesto was too eloquent to ignore. If it were incoherent ramblings, most would be rooting for the LAPD to ventilate him. But... the manifesto was clearly written and compelling. The manifesto put forth a clear picture of an honorably discharged military man who became a cop. And when he tried to do the right thing, was terminated. That's one side of the story but it was clearly and compellingly presented.

As the saying goes, "The penis mightier than the sword."----------------------------------------another cultural observer: I'd write about "LA" in my eloquent manifesto and then travel thousands of miles away in the car I'd stashed in the State Park to tear up a community 1,000 miles away from all that crap I talked about in my manifesto, just to get everyone to pay attention. But then, if I did that, I'd be crazy. wait....----------------------------------------

One of the issues is that Dorner admits he was severely depressed and asks for researchers to examine his brain (if possible). And he perceives he had his life taken away from him, with such a blot on his resume as being terminated for lying. Lost the TS/SCI clearance and everything.

Look at the Aaron Swartz case. Here was a kid who thought he was facing the immediate prospect of spending several decades in jail. He too was depressed. BUT, unlike Dorner, he turned his pain and rage inwards and hanged himself. The fellow was the archetypal nerd.

It seems to be a common thing with depression. Losing perspective.

Dorner also comes off as nerdy, from his manifesto (opining about Michelle Obama's bangs, lecturing Anderson Cooper on how to treat guests, and musing about Jeffrey Toobin for the Supreme Court). However, he's actually in a massively powerful body and he's combat trained. He's turned his pain and rage outwards. He sounds like an ITG who could be a forum poster, but he's actually a tough guy IRL.

It's a hell of a thing. Very unfortunate. His slaying of the girl and her fiance and the cop is an unforgivable offense and... it's a hell of a thing. Ultimately, Dorner claims to be doing this to clear his name. But he's stained himself with the killings of the innocent people. I dunno. It's a hell of a thing. Hopefully no one else gets hurt. The manifesto was Dorner's suicide note. I think Dorner will pursue seppuku regardless of how it all turns out.

When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

mikaloyd:When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

He's a villain. A true terrorist.

That doesn't excuse the LAPD. They're the bad guys too. They come under threat so they shoot up some Asian ladies in the wrong color truck? No way. Obviously they're still the worst police force in the union.

So what we have is the comic book evil bad guy vs the far more disturbing bad guys who have infiltrated what should be the good guys.

When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.

Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

mikaloyd: Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

There MAY be a bit of a disinformation campaign going on too. Yesterday, I heard CBS radio news report he was "drummed out" (exact words) of the military. I could find no such information on the web. All I could find was that he was honorably discharged.

Not trying to defend him, just get an accurate picture of the situation.

J. Frank Parnell:FizixJunkee: I still don't get how the LAPD justifies calling Dorner a "domestic terrorist."

The scary truth is many of us could be labeled that, just for innocuous comments in this thread.

Meh. The general definition of terrorism is along the lines of "the use of violence to subvert political institutions and processes".

That may be more commonly understood as "killing civilians to frighten other civilians into pressuring their government into cooperating with you", but it's just as applicable to "killing public employees to pressure public agencies into cooperating with you".

He has specific demands, and he's murdering cops and their families until those demands are met. "Terrorist" is appropriate.

JungleBoogie:When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.

Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

mikaloyd: Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

There MAY be a bit of a disinformation campaign going on too. Yesterday, I heard CBS radio news report he was "drummed out" (exact words) of the military. I could find no such information on the web. All I could find was that he was honorably discharged.

Not trying to defend him, just get an accurate picture of the situation.

"Drummed out" is probably too harsh a description. In the Navy officer ranks, either you're promoted or you're out. "Up or Out" is the typical description. Dorner was a LT and was passed over twice for promotion to LCDR. After two passed over promotions, you have to exit the Navy.

freewill:J. Frank Parnell: FizixJunkee: I still don't get how the LAPD justifies calling Dorner a "domestic terrorist."

The scary truth is many of us could be labeled that, just for innocuous comments in this thread.

Meh. The general definition of terrorism is along the lines of "the use of violence to subvert political institutions and processes".

Sure, to a rational mind that's what it is. But you should get around to reading the 'Hero' and 'Patriot' acts sometime. Everyone from common criminals to non-violent protesters can now be called domestic terrorists.

mikaloyd:meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin:"Drummed out" is probably too harsh a description. In the Navy officer ranks, either you're promoted or you're out. "Up or Out" is the typical description. Dorner was a LT and was passed over twice for promotion to LCDR. After two passed over promotions, you have to exit the Navy.

This.

Also, keep in mind Dorner was a minority officer in a non-stereotypical career field. The armed forces in general, and the navy specifically, have been under flack for the lack of diversity in the officer ranks. While there is no official policy to promote minorities ahead of their peers, there is substantial pressure from high levels to increase diversity in the officer corps.

This would imply that he severely underperformed his peers or was in some other way not promotable. His actions since discharge might show what the military already knew. This would not prevent an honorable discharge, but his service records might have a few velvet daggers hiding in the performance evaluations.

GBB:mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

perhaps a tire getting hot enough to overpressure and blow off the rims ?

ha-ha-guy:If you're a random person (not LAPD or on Dorner's list), what incentive do you have to call the police? Dorner isn't killing random people. Someone is more likely to die when the police swarm the neighborhood and start shooting at the paperboy or someone walking their dog. Sure you might get a million dollars for the tip, you might also get killed by some dumbass cop.

/although you could annoy the hell out of people by using a payphone to submit false tips, the PD would roll in and lock down the neighborhood for hours, if not days, at this point

Securitywyrm:mikaloyd: JungleBoogie: Not trying to defend him, just get an accurate picture of the situation.

He is assassinating people. One of them a daughter of a person he deemed bad rather than assassinating the bad person. As a punishment I suppose.

I cannot imagine a scenario or rationale where that is justifiable to you.

The United States ordered drone strikes on funerals held for people they thought were terrorists. "He was a bad person, so we're going to attack all his friends and family, because there's probably some bad people among them.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/06/world/asia/us-drone-strikes-are-sa id -to-target-rescuers.html?_r=0If his tactic is evil, then we are evil.

GBB:mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

You'll also notice where you see the rims as being extra beat up, is actually where the gas tank is located. The fire would have burned hotter there, and it would have been hottest at the ground, because the fuel actually spills onto the ground during a vehicle fire.

The United States ordered drone strikes on funerals held for people they thought were terrorists. "He was a bad person, so we're going to attack all his friends and family, because there's probably some bad people among them.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/06/world/asia/us-drone-strikes-are-sa id -to-target-rescuers.html?_r=0If his tactic is evil, then we are evil.

GBB:Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

The rims could be a different alloy than the body panels, with a different melting point.

Alonjar:GBB: mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

You'll also notice where you see the rims as being extra beat up, is actually where the gas tank is located. The fire would have burned hotter there, and it would have been hottest at the ground, because the fuel actually spills onto the ground during a vehicle fire.

Alonjar:GBB: mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

You'll also notice where you see the rims as being extra beat up, is actually where the gas tank is located. The fire would have burned hotter there, and it would have been hottest at the ground, because the fuel actually spills onto the ground during a vehicle fire.

Oh, and because rims need to be as light as possible, they tend to be made of softer metal alloys than the rest of the vehicle.

mikaloyd:When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

Okay, you almost got me! If I, a responsible citizen and member of the internet community at large, find any fault in what Dorner has ALLEGEDLY done then I am supporting THE F*CKING LAPD! I cannot support those corrupt assholes, therefore I shall continue to relate Dorner to the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy of films. I shall feel snarky, but not snarky enough, so I will call those who consider Dorner a murderer SHEEPLE, urging them to wake up! Finally, when Dorner is found dead I will spearhead the donation thread where we ask Farkers to purchase copies of The Dark Knight or The Dark Knight Rises and mail them to the Chief of the LAPD en masse!

I guess we don't own the clean end of the stick. It's not like we ever did. You realize that CONGRESS breached more than 300 treaties between 1790 and 1990, right? Go dust off those history books, if you have them.

GBB:mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

Land Ark:After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

He allegedly murdered the daughter of one of his targets to make the guy suffer, and her fiance. That pushes Dorner out of "antihero" territory and into "delusional villain" territory. The only thing to hope for is he and the LAPD eat each other alive.

Arnprior Joe:GBB: mikaloyd: [i.huffpost.com image 850x566]meanwhile back at dorners pickup, dorner calmly walks ahead of the group disguised as a soldier

Wait a second.Take a close look at those rims. If Dorner simply set the truck on fire, yes the tires would have burned off, but how did the bead edge of the rim get like that? If they got hot enough to somehow melt the rim, the body panel above it wouldn't have survived. Doesn't that look like the truck ran some distance on bare rims??

rvabenji:The amount of conspiracy garbage I'm reading on here I thought I was accidentally on infowars. You guys are coming as unglued as the LAPD.

They don't want him dead because he "knows too much" or because they want to cover anything up. He had five years and a six thousand word manifesto to air all his grievances They want him dead because he

allegedly killed three people and shot two other (and yes because he targeted cops and cops' families).

Eric Holder's Constitution-castrating rhetorical semantics aside, there's a due process expectation for every accused criminal. I agree with you, Dorner's no hero, and I'm not rooting for him, but the fact that multiple officers from separate organizations have opened fire on innocents shows that there's plenty of reason to root against the cops.

DataShade:Land Ark: After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

He allegedly murdered the daughter of one of his targets to make the guy suffer, and her fiance. That pushes Dorner out of "antihero" territory and into "delusional villain" territory. The only thing to hope for is he and the LAPD eat each other alive.

To be honest, he's only considered an "antihero" because many people are fed up with the corruption in law enforcement agencies these days. Nothing about what he's done is even remotely heroic. The absolute best-case scenario for him is that a few specific instances he brought up in his manifesto get investigated... That's not going to change the systemic corruption.

So he's allegedly killed three people and put countless others in danger for what amounts to petty revenge. It's entirely self-interest. He's in it for no one but himself.

I just read something on another board I frequent regarding this, here is the post.

just heard something interesting on local K-CAL news about the Lowes sighting. I will paraphrase what reporter said. Apparently a customer saw someone who looked like Dorner parking his vehicle --i think a white station wagon---and heading into Lowes. So they emptied the Lowes and that person never came out. So they searched the Lowes withK-9's and they watched the surveillance videos--and still no Dorner. By then they had run the car registration and found a picture of the owner, who did resemble Dorner. So the look-alike CALLED LE and said that he works nearby the Lowes. BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO COME OUT AND SPEAK TO THEM. He says he has had bad experiences with LE and does not want to come to pick up his car right now and meet with them. So now what do they do ? Also, he doesn't want to tell them where he works.

If this is true it is just sad. People are so afraid of the cops and the way they are handling this that they don't want to meet with them to clear themselves.

GranoblasticMan:DataShade: Land Ark: After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

He allegedly murdered the daughter of one of his targets to make the guy suffer, and her fiance. That pushes Dorner out of "antihero" territory and into "delusional villain" territory. The only thing to hope for is he and the LAPD eat each other alive.

To be honest, he's only considered an "antihero" because many people are fed up with the corruption in law enforcement agencies these days. Nothing about what he's done is even remotely heroic. The absolute best-case scenario for him is that a few specific instances he brought up in his manifesto get investigated... That's not going to change the systemic corruption.

So he's allegedly killed three people and put countless others in danger for what amounts to petty revenge. It's entirely self-interest. He's in it for no one but himself.

It's hard to pick a side in this one. On one side, you have the embodiment of pure evil, and on the other side is a guy getting revenge by killing what some would consider innocents....

EdNortonsTwin:If younreally want to troll the LAPD, ya just need to have a few dozen folks call in the location of a large, black, on duty, LAPD officer in a cruiser and say you're positive it's Dorner.

OMFG. That would be a hell of a disguise for him to be in. He could go anywhere....

Bonnie and Clyde and Jesse James all over again. I didn't understand it before, but I do now. This guy is sticking it to the man who many think has wronged them. I find myself pulling for this guy to expose what he knows about the LAPD, and right some wrongs. Killing people isn't going to do that, but it sure got him attention. He should turn himself over to the media somewhere near, but not in L.A.

stiletto_the_wise:GranoblasticMan: DataShade: Land Ark: After all, he has specific targets and no "innocent" people have been hurt by him. With police involvement, three innocent people have been shot at, two hit. We're safer without the manhunt.

He allegedly murdered the daughter of one of his targets to make the guy suffer, and her fiance. That pushes Dorner out of "antihero" territory and into "delusional villain" territory. The only thing to hope for is he and the LAPD eat each other alive.

To be honest, he's only considered an "antihero" because many people are fed up with the corruption in law enforcement agencies these days. Nothing about what he's done is even remotely heroic. The absolute best-case scenario for him is that a few specific instances he brought up in his manifesto get investigated... That's not going to change the systemic corruption.

So he's allegedly killed three people and put countless others in danger for what amounts to petty revenge. It's entirely self-interest. He's in it for no one but himself.

It's hard to pick a side in this one. On one side, you have the embodiment of pure evil, and on the other side is a guy getting revenge by killing what some would consider innocents....

Why do you have to pick one of those sides? Both are pieces of shiat. Dorner is shiat for killing those people, the LAPD is shiat for their heavy handed tactics and abuses, which have been really highlighted with this whole episode. The only thing you should be routing for is for the truth about the LAPD to come out. The only thing that I can even remotely applaud Dorner for is that his actions may get an investigation started into the LAPD, but goddamn his method was wrong.

ongbok:Why do you have to pick one of those sides? Both are pieces of shiat. Dorner is shiat for killing those people, the LAPD is shiat for their heavy handed tactics and abuses, which have been really highlighted with this whole episode. The only thing you should be routing for is for the truth about the LAPD to come out. The only thing that I can even remotely applaud Dorner for is that his actions may get an investigation started into the LAPD, but goddamn his method was wrong.

Silverstaff:TV's Vinnie: Elandriel: This whole think stinks of coverup. I can't help but feel there's a hell of a lot more going on than what we've been allowed to know.

Killing a cop is ho-hum, but THIS particular killing is making people start to ask questions that the bigshots of LA don't want the peasants to be asking.

Yeah.

Y'know. At first I bought the party line that Dorner was a crazy renegade. His letter/manifesto was a little unhinged. Not seriously so, but not exactly a fine argument.

However, given that one of the main allegations against the LAPD by Dorner was about their brutality. . .which they happily showed in their pursuit of him so far.

Their overall behavior has been increasingly suspicious. It really does seem like they have no intent on bringing him in alive, whatever he knows, they are scared of it seeing an open court.

His best bet is to contact the FBI, work out some kind of deal. If he's got any evidence about corruption, he might be able to cut some kind of deal with the Feds. Even if that's not possible, if he really wants to bring the LAPD down on whatever he knows, he needs to say it on the record in a courtroom, and the only way that's going to happen is if he surrenders. . .to the Feds, not to LAPD (or other local SoCal law enforcement it seems).

Unfortunately you need ID to get into a Federal building, so it's not like he can just walk right in to a Federal courthouse or office building and say "here I am", not without fake ID.

You can get so-so fake ID for $100 in MacArthur Park. $500 will get you very good fake ID. For $1000, there are probably 10 guys in LA who could get you ID that would be pretty much iron clad.

ongbok:Why do you have to pick one of those sides? Both are pieces of shiat. Dorner is shiat for killing those people, the LAPD is shiat for their heavy handed tactics and abuses, which have been really highlighted with this whole episode. The only thing you should be routing for is for the truth about the LAPD to come out. The only thing that I can even remotely applaud Dorner for is that his actions may get an investigation started into the LAPD, but goddamn his method was wrong.

Assuming he's not dead yet, we may not have seen the full extent of his method yet. I'm all for non-violence, but an organization as corrupt and evil as the LAPD is not going to undergo change from people protesting and practicing non-violence. Not saying his actions are heroic, but there is a bit of "my enemy's enemy" at play here.

I'm confident that they would say yours was not the tip that led to his arrest, or that they already knew what you told them.There's also the chance that they would just give the tip to one of their friends to turn in, so they can split the money.

What I'm curious about is the report that they found rifles with silencers, night vision goggles and cold weather gear in his burned out truck. I can't imagine him leaving those things behind, unless he had redundant quantities.

The LAPD said Dorner is a domestic terrorist. What is Dorner's political agenda? Isn't a KEY indicator of a terrorist a political agenda? I mean, that's what terrorism is...use of violence for political purposes.

Or is it that the LAPD doesn't know what terrorism is, and they're just trying to get more federal money?

muck4doo:ongbok: muck4doo: ongbok: The only thing that I can even remotely applaud Dorner for is that his actions may get an investigation started into the LAPD, but goddamn his method was wrong.

Nailed it. That's why a drone will kill him before any of it gets out.

Christ I'm tried of this.

Personally I think the guy killed himself a while ago. But if he is still alive, they are not going to kill him with a drone strike. Will you paranoid idiots please stop spouting off the stupid shiat.

Convenient story. He is already dead. That's why they keep shooting ladies in similar trucks.

What does that have to do with him killing himself? If he had found a secluded area or abandoned house to kill himself, the police wouldn't know and they would still be out searching for him as if he was alive.

The Southern Dandy:The LAPD said Dorner is a domestic terrorist. What is Dorner's political agenda? Isn't a KEY indicator of a terrorist a political agenda? I mean, that's what terrorism is...use of violence for political purposes.

Or is it that the LAPD doesn't know what terrorism is, and they're just trying to get more federal money?

His previous employer before the LAPD was the Federal Government. They want him dead too. Just in case he holds two grudges.

ongbok:muck4doo: ongbok: muck4doo: ongbok: The only thing that I can even remotely applaud Dorner for is that his actions may get an investigation started into the LAPD, but goddamn his method was wrong.

Nailed it. That's why a drone will kill him before any of it gets out.

Christ I'm tried of this.

Personally I think the guy killed himself a while ago. But if he is still alive, they are not going to kill him with a drone strike. Will you paranoid idiots please stop spouting off the stupid shiat.

Convenient story. He is already dead. That's why they keep shooting ladies in similar trucks.

What does that have to do with him killing himself? If he had found a secluded area or abandoned house to kill himself, the police wouldn't know and they would still be out searching for him as if he was alive.

If the police thought he was dead and killed himself they wouldn't be shooting at ladies in trucks, would they? Have you taken your brilliant insight of how this guy is already dead to the LAPD?

mikaloyd:When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

Apparently the father of the man who the training officer allegedly kicked testified in court saying that his son came home looking like he got the shiat kicked out of him, and was told by his son that he had the shiat kicked out of him.

Popcorn Johnny:What I'm curious about is the report that they found rifles with silencers, night vision goggles and cold weather gear in his burned out truck. I can't imagine him leaving those things behind, unless he had redundant quantities.

Xyphoid:mikaloyd: When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.Online, Dorner tells a different story. He argues he was "terminated for doing the right thing."

Thats when a reasonable person calms down for six years and then starts killing people. Like an hero

According to some dumbasses on the web

Apparently the father of the man who the training officer allegedly kicked testified in court saying that his son came home looking like he got the shiat kicked out of him, and was told by his son that he had the shiat kicked out of him.

Who you gonna believe, the LAPD, so some disgruntled civilian that got his ass kicked by the LAPD?

I think its possible he already killed himself, but did it in such a way, and location that he won't be found for a very long time, causing the cops to live in constant, profound fear of him, for that very same long time.

If getting his manifesto to see the light of day was his main goal, then he's accomplished that.Cases are being reopened, and the lights have been turned on, causing the cockroaches that comprise much of the LAPD to scatter in panic.I wouldn't give his female supervisor (nickname: Chupacabra) a plug nickel for her career right now, because heads will roll over this one, and if they can't get his, they'll settle for someone else's.