Post by reamsofverse on Oct 27, 2013 16:57:52 GMT

Listening to a a side who sound absolutely clueless inside the 18 yard box.

I suppose all we'll get post match is how great it is that we have another clean sheet but I would rather win games 3-2 or 4-3 and pick up three points than 0-0 draws. I'm dreading reading about how many pairs of CP Y-Fronts have been soiled this afternoon because we have gained a point when the real truth is we have actually dropped two!!

If we had decent strikers who were given decent service we would have won today and would probably be a top eight side right now because that is where the problem lies, poor strikers. Kermorgant is this years Fuller which leaves Church and Sordell who are just not good enough and once again neither would have scored if they had been there until midnight.

I hear that DD is taking place at the moment (Yet again) and all I hope is that when/if the club is sold hoof ball merchant Powell goes and the shite he has brought to the club are right behind him out of the door.

Ian Holloway is what this club needs at the moment, ok he got it wrong in the end at Palace but he's the best manager they have had in years and don't forget Kevin Phillips normally follows him wherever he goes.

My sympathy goes out to anybody who had to sit and watch that rubbish, even at £6 a throw we sounded feeble in the final third as we always do.

Post by salmon on Oct 27, 2013 17:45:36 GMT

Well what can I say don't think I can sit through the whole season watch that no creativity in midfield. Strikers who look as though there on strike.The only credit goes to our defence . Can't be bothered to write any more.

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 27, 2013 17:55:57 GMT

All pre-season I said we need two strikers and a creative midfielder. If Powell didn't know that too he's a bigger idiot than I thought. Before anybody pulls me up about having no money my answer is thank fuck for that!! If his loan signings are a yardstick to show what he would do with it it's no surprise he has been left high and dry.

Sean Dyche went to Burnley and they had no money too, they even lost their best striker but look at them now under him. A good manager who knows how to utilise what he has and coach them to get the ball down and play. He has been a manager for less time than Powell has so clearly there are better managers out there who learn far more quickly.

Post by dickplumb on Oct 27, 2013 18:11:27 GMT

Well done Chris Powell and the players. Unbeaten in four games now. We competed well with a team that was plying its trade in the Premiership and has spent a lot of money. If we had a cutting edge we would have won.It worries me that Wood and Kermy had to go off. I hope it is not too serious, Wood had Holt in his pocket. I don't feel I have wasted 90 minutes of my life at all, really enjoyed it and the atmosphere.

Third clean sheet in a row, Powell seems to have sorted out the defensive problems.

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 27, 2013 18:17:45 GMT

Yes he has but as a defender you would expect that. Just a shame that outside of the back four he does not have a clue but on a positive maybe when he gets the bullet the new manager could always invite him to stay on as defensive coach?

Post by thepompouscardigan on Oct 27, 2013 18:37:35 GMT

Well done Chris Powell and the players. Unbeaten in four games now. We competed well with a team that was plying its trade in the Premiership and has spent a lot of money. If we had a cutting edge we would have won.It worries me that Wood and Kermy had to go off. I hope it is not too serious, Wood had Holt in his pocket. I don't feel I have wasted 90 minutes of my life at all, really enjoyed it and the atmosphere.

Third clean sheet in a row, Powell seems to have sorted out the defensive problems.

Onwards and upwards.

Can't agree with you there dick. The plastics made no atmosphere whatsoever. The game was boring. What is your definition of exciting ? Aimless crosses into the box, with nobody within ten yards ?

in defence of the players, the high winds today did not suit Powell's brand of hoofball.

Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 27, 2013 19:13:29 GMT

The unbeaten run just goes on and on and on and...Thing is Reams you would have been happier if we had lost 0-4 so you could have launched into an expletive filled tirade about Powell/Jimenez/Players...now you can't. Schadenfreude I think it's called me ol' mucker. Curbs would halt a bad run exactly the same as how Powell has done.. not pretty, unless you say pretty dull but the 0-0's or 1-1's is just what's needed at this particular time. Thought you of all people given your background would have realised all this. Oh hum!!

Post by thepompouscardigan on Oct 27, 2013 19:28:56 GMT

The unbeaten run just goes on and on and on and...Thing is Reams you would have been happier if we had lost 0-4 so you could have launched into an expletive filled tirade about Powell/Jimenez/Players...now you can't. Schadenfreude I think it's called me ol' mucker. Curbs would halt a bad run exactly the same as how Powell has done.. not pretty, unless you say pretty dull but the 0-0's or 1-1's is just what's needed at this particular time. Thought you of all people given your background would have realised all this. Oh hum!!

Nice theory Freddy old chum, but it rather ignores one important fact. People part with their hard earned...particularly at home games...in the vain hope of being entertained. The football we have seen at home this season has been the equivalent of 90 min in the dentists chair, Leicester aside. Why do you think our average gates are down a further 2,000 so far this season, if the football from Sir Chris is so scintillating ?

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 27, 2013 20:05:37 GMT

The unbeaten run just goes on and on and on and...Thing is Reams you would have been happier if we had lost 0-4 so you could have launched into an expletive filled tirade about Powell/Jimenez/Players...now you can't. Schadenfreude I think it's called me ol' mucker. Curbs would halt a bad run exactly the same as how Powell has done.. not pretty, unless you say pretty dull but the 0-0's or 1-1's is just what's needed at this particular time. Thought you of all people given your background would have realised all this. Oh hum!!

Unbeaten run? So it's ok to keep drawing home games and look like a side who don't know where the next goal is going to come from is it? How peculiar!!.

Yeovil won yesterday so that is three draws in one day for them putting it like you have. It's tight at the bottom of the table and three from 7 will go down, the four that escape it will do so because they will score enough goals and win enough games to keep them up so not sure how too many 0-0's are a help to be honest. We are not losing games but we are peddling backwards, we can draw the next three games but if two or three below us win one of their's we'll be bolloxed.

Post by bigandy99 on Oct 27, 2013 20:12:28 GMT

Personally, I enjoyed the game and thought every player put in a shift - we had 4 or 5 really good chances that might've gone in on another day - Wigan have better players and we competed. We didn't play hoofball from where I sat...the lack of fire power is a worry, though. Overall, in not too down about today.

Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 27, 2013 23:23:56 GMT

The unbeaten run just goes on and on and on and...Thing is Reams you would have been happier if we had lost 0-4 so you could have launched into an expletive filled tirade about Powell/Jimenez/Players...now you can't. Schadenfreude I think it's called me ol' mucker. Curbs would halt a bad run exactly the same as how Powell has done.. not pretty, unless you say pretty dull but the 0-0's or 1-1's is just what's needed at this particular time. Thought you of all people given your background would have realised all this. Oh hum!!

Nice theory Freddy old chum, but it rather ignores one important fact. People part with their hard earned...particularly at home games...in the vain hope of being entertained. The football we have seen at home this season has been the equivalent of 90 min in the dentists chair, Leicester aside. Why do you think our average gates are down a further 2,000 so far this season, if the football from Sir Chris is so scintillating ?

Thing is ever since I was a lad and walked all the way to the Valley from Eltham to see Matt Tees/Rodney Green upfront it never ever dawned on me that I was going there to be "entertained". I just wanted my team not to lose but of course to win. Over the years I have never expected to be "entertained" that's a modern day fallacy experience put about by marketing people. Next thing you'll be saying is the "Matchday Experience" is disappointing because it was 0-0. FFS we haven't lost against some of the fancied sides for 4 games and still you moan. Wigan were fancied for immediate return to the Premiership and they didn't score. Well done Powell.

In short time he's been in charge he's achieved more than Curbs and Lenny...so back-off, and no I am not licking his arse I am saying acknowledge what the guy is striving to achieve.

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 27, 2013 23:29:04 GMT

We haven't beaten some of the sides tipped for relegation either, it works both ways.

We are in danger of going down because of the manager we have, the team he plays and the tactics he believes in. He has had money and opportunities to change that but has come up well short. Enjoy the CP era, or what's left of it while you can.

Post by sollied on Oct 27, 2013 23:41:02 GMT

Take it you didn't bother going today Reams because if you did you'd of realized we actually played well and all we lacked was a clinical finisher.

You seem to always want to dig out Powell, first it was how he can't organize our defense, when he sorts that out and we become solid at the back ,stopping 2 top class forwards today, you say he's being negative and that clean sheets are hardly something to celebrate.

You say thank God he has no money yet when he has spent money in the past, he's spent it wisely. Yes some of his loan signings have been poor other have played well, yet how you can make a judgement by listening to the commentary is beyond me.

You also like to turn a blind eye to his good signings this year. Need I remind you of this Reams classic:

Powell has brought in Wood for the sake of it just to make the numbers up, there might be no money but there is clearly no imagination either and no after thought.

Also we played very little 'hoof ball' today and the defense passed it out regularly, even from free kicks.

Also the fact you want Holloway is laughable, thank God you don't have any authority over choice of the next manager. I'm just going to assume the Kevin Phillips bit is a wind up because how you think a 40 year old will change us is just ridiculous to be honest, when you say Hughes and Gower are passed it when they are 5 years younger.

Post by sollied on Oct 27, 2013 23:42:08 GMT

Personally, I enjoyed the game and thought every player put in a shift - we had 4 or 5 really good chances that might've gone in on another day - Wigan have better players and we competed. We didn't play hoofball from where I sat...the lack of fire power is a worry, though. Overall, in not too down about today.

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 28, 2013 17:40:32 GMT

Take it you didn't bother going today Reams because if you did you'd of realized we actually played well and all we lacked was a clinical finisher.

You seem to always want to dig out Powell, first it was how he can't organize our defense, when he sorts that out and we become solid at the back ,stopping 2 top class forwards today, you say he's being negative and that clean sheets are hardly something to celebrate.

You say thank God he has no money yet when he has spent money in the past, he's spent it wisely. Yes some of his loan signings have been poor other have played well, yet how you can make a judgement by listening to the commentary is beyond me.

You also like to turn a blind eye to his good signings this year. Need I remind you of this Reams classic:

Powell has brought in Wood for the sake of it just to make the numbers up, there might be no money but there is clearly no imagination either and no after thought.

Also we played very little 'hoof ball' today and the defense passed it out regularly, even from free kicks.

Also the fact you want Holloway is laughable, thank God you don't have any authority over choice of the next manager. I'm just going to assume the Kevin Phillips bit is a wind up because how you think a 40 year old will change us is just ridiculous to be honest, when you say Hughes and Gower are passed it when they are 5 years younger.

No I didn't bother going your right but that is my choice nobody else's. As for Powell I don't dig him out, I dig his ability as a manager out and there is a difference. Richard Wood I appear to have been proved wrong about but when you have a reputation of signing shit houses over the last 12 months then by the law of averages you are bound to get one good egg if you sign enough rubbish.

Why is Holloway as the next choice of manager laughable? By my reckoning he has taken two clubs up from the Championship in the last five years or so I reiterate how is that laughable given his track record? What's Powell's? L1 Champions woopy woo!!! If Holloway had not been Palace manager you wouldn't have a problem with it, that is what Charlton fans are like jealous and very juvenile about our local rivals.

Yes Kevin Phillips is 40 so what? So is Ryan Giggs and he's playing in the Premiership, are you saying we should stick with Church and Sordell? if you are it's you who is deluded my friend not me, Powell brought Sordell here and he has been garbage, panic signings usually are, but hey he's still learning I'm told so we can forgive him for fucking up for the umpteenth time.

You clearly have CL running through your veins so go and read what Mr Lawson had to say yesterday because he is bang on the money, there is no give or take with you lot none at all.

Cannot wait for the day Powell gets the bullet because old reams will be straight down there to piss over your chips!!

Being a Charlton fan these days just brings an overdose of clueless fans who drool over a clueless manager......You all deserve each other.

What part of keeping clean sheets is one thing but we are closer to the bottom now than what we were when we drew 0-0 with Blackpool? Why is it people cannot understand that if we go 1-0 down there is no coming back? I did not come yesterday because I couldn't be bothered watching dog shit, not even for a fiver (£6)the other reason was watching Powell's side these days means sitting there praying the other team don't score so that we can sneak a 0-0 draw out of it.

Post by sollied on Oct 28, 2013 18:35:24 GMT

No I didn't bother going your right but that is my choice nobody else's. As for Powell I don't dig him out, I dig his ability as a manager out and there is a difference. Richard Wood I appear to have been proved wrong about but when you have a reputation of signing shit houses over the last 12 months then by the law of averages you are bound to get one good egg if you sign enough rubbish.

Why is Holloway as the next choice of manager laughable? By my reckoning he has taken two clubs up from the Championship in the last five years or so I reiterate how is that laughable given his track record? What's Powell's? L1 Champions woopy woo!!! If Holloway had not been Palace manager you wouldn't have a problem with it, that is what Charlton fans are like jealous and very juvenile about our local rivals.

Yes Kevin Phillips is 40 so what? So is Ryan Giggs and he's playing in the Premiership, are you saying we should stick with Church and Sordell? if you are it's you who is deluded my friend not me, Powell brought Sordell here and he has been garbage, panic signings usually are, but hey he's still learning I'm told so we can forgive him for fucking up for the umpteenth time.

You clearly have CL running through your veins so go and read what Mr Lawson had to say yesterday because he is bang on the money, there is no give or take with you lot none at all.

Cannot wait for the day Powell gets the bullet because old reams will be straight down there to piss over your chips!!

Being a Charlton fan these days just brings an overdose of clueless fans who drool over a clueless manager......You all deserve each other.

What part of keeping clean sheets is one thing but we are closer to the bottom now than what we were when we drew 0-0 with Blackpool? Why is it people cannot understand that if we go 1-0 down there is no coming back? I did not come yesterday because I couldn't be bothered watching dog shit, not even for a fiver (£6)the other reason was watching Powell's side these days means sitting there praying the other team don't score so that we can sneak a 0-0 draw out of it.

Firstly I'd say Powell has signed some good players in the last 12 months, yes there have been a few poor ones but they are normally loanes. For the record I agree he seems to struggle to sign decent loanes.

Out of those I would say Wilson, Dervite, Fuller, Wood, and even Church to an extent have proved worthwhile. Cook hasn't had a chance yet and doesn't look like he will make it with us. Kerkar was in the wrong league, Button was a poor signing I admit and made no sense, Harris was a reserve, Feely isn't ready yet, Rouamba was a risk but we didn't loose out really and Gower it seems is to old now. So there is 5 signings wo have already proved to be good signings by Powell with at least one, maybe 2 still progressing. Harris and Rouamba were low cost and no risk really, so that leaves Kerkar, Button and Gower as Powell's only poor signings over the last 12 months, compared to 5/7 good ones.

Holloway would be a terrible appointment, he's a ticking time bomb like Di Canio constantly getting on the wrong side of League officials. He also nearly undone all of Freedmans work at Palace. If the season was 5 games longer they wouldn't of made the play offs. His signings this year have been clueless, so if you think Powell's record is bad Holloways is abysmal.

I'm not saying we should stick with Sordell and Church but really what other choice do we have, Phillips isn't the answer. When did he last finish 90 mins?

Your obsession with CL is worrying. Believe it or not, not everyone that disagrees with you contributes on Charlton Life. And if you really want to know I don't contribute to Charlton Life even though that is irrelevant.

Cannot wait for the day Powell gets the bullet because old reams will be straight down there to piss over your chips!!

Unfortunately this sums you up at the moment. You seem to have a real hatred for the man. Yes some people do see CP as the messiah who can do no wrong. I am not one of these people and if you actually read my posts I have told you he does have his faults. However the man is doing the best he can. It's clear we are not investing money in signings for whatever reason, this does make it hard to sign players that can improve our squad. You only have to look at who left in the summer and who has come in to see we are weaker, none the less Powell continues to find these gems for free to help us keep progressing, Wood, Dervite, Kermorgant for example.

It's time to get behind the manager and the team instead of constantly criticizing. Yes we will struggle to score goals this year, yes Powell is responsible for his signings, but if you honestly believe Powell wanted a strike force of Kermo, Church, Sordell and Piggott this year then you are wrong. Powell has done a hell of a lot of good for our club and unlike previous managers clearly cares. Will he still be here at the end of the season? I don't know but if you find great pleasure in the possibility of him leaving then more fool you.

Post by reamsofverse on Oct 28, 2013 19:37:30 GMT

Fuller 5 games in 31 games who was on wages that prevented us getting more players in....worthwhile? Really??

That list of players you have written there is a joke, if he had signed those instead of the one's he signed to win L1 we would still be in it!! You question when Phillips last played 90 minutes....when did Fuller.

Don't get your point of view on dismissing his poor signings purely because they were loan signings....Does that make it ok then? These were meant to be the key signings to add to what he already had, players who would make a difference to us but instead he signed players who are among the worst any Charlton manager has bought to the club.

Hatred is a very strong word which I dismiss myself from completely, CP is a good man, I have met him but I just don't rate him as a Championship manager sorry. Nobody has ever said that he is not doing teh best he can, what I am saying is his best is not good enough.

You say that It's clear we are not investing money in signings for whatever reason, making it harder to sign players that can improve our squad. Are you saying then that he needs money to succeed? only Burnley manager Sean Dyche has a few million to spend after selling Charlie Austin but he doesn't need to yet because his own personal skills as a coach are bringing the best out of players that were no better than average last season. It is surprising what a new face can achieve, Dyche had Charlie Austin nicked off him but rather than go out and spent a good few bob on a replacement he gave Vokes and Ings first crack of the whip and they have not looked back. Dyche barks orders from the touchline for 90 minutes and gets the very best out of a side that have no individual stars but play as a team, that is good management.

You also say that Powell continues to find these gems for free to help us keep progressing, Wood, Dervite, Kermorgant for example?....Gems? are you being serious?....Progressing? in what way, we currently sit 11 places from where we finished last season therefore we have gone backwards?....what new ideas are you seeing this season?...what new tactics have we seen? CP is spent on all fronts he is regurgitating on his ideas of two seasons ago and hoping that they can still work....fact is they don't, not at all.

Why can't you and other fans accept that Powell is only the manager because he played for us and was a fans favourite? Do you honestly think he would be in charge if the idiots who run the club weren't actually here themselves?

I have always been behind the players but I refuse to support a manager who is in a false position. You still refuse to see the bigger picture and write a silly sentence at the end of your post asking me if Powell really wanted the strike force he has at his disposal.....the answer is yes it has to be because Church and Sordell just didn't turn up out of the blue he actually signed them? If he didn't want them why are they here?

More fool me if he goes next summer?......again why? There is a possibility he could end up at Middlesbrough soon I am led to believe as they are showing an interest which will mean that there won't be a dry eye in the house but you won't see me shedding any tears.

I am a Charlton fan not a Chris Powell fan. The general rule in football is that nobody is bigger than the club itself, that rule goes out of the window at Charlton it really does, the fans are obsessed with Powell and cannot see a future without him because they refuse to, just a shame that they did not afford Phil Parkinson the same luxury but there again he never played for us did he and leaped about in the tunnel 5 minutes after the final whistle.

CP is the reason I am not watching my team at the moment and the same goes for thousands of others. If the faithful 10,000 are happy to accept that and sit and watch us struggle just as long as their hero is still at the helm then let's see where that nice little cosy arrangement takes us as a Football club.

Post by sollied on Oct 28, 2013 20:18:02 GMT

Fuller 5 games in 31 games who was on wages that prevented us getting more players in....worthwhile? Really??

That list of players you have written there is a joke, if he had signed those instead of the one's he signed to win L1 we would still be in it!! You question when Phillips last played 90 minutes....when did Fuller.

Don't get your point of view on dismissing his poor signings purely because they were loan signings....Does that make it ok then? These were meant to be the key signings to add to what he already had, players who would make a difference to us but instead he signed players who are among the worst any Charlton manager has bought to the club.

Hatred is a very strong word which I dismiss myself from completely, CP is a good man, I have met him but I just don't rate him as a Championship manager sorry. Nobody has ever said that he is not doing teh best he can, what I am saying is his best is not good enough.

You say that It's clear we are not investing money in signings for whatever reason, making it harder to sign players that can improve our squad. Are you saying then that he needs money to succeed? only Burnley manager Sean Dyche has a few million to spend after selling Charlie Austin but he doesn't need to yet because his own personal skills as a coach are bringing the best out of players that were no better than average last season. It is surprising what a new face can achieve, Dyche had Charlie Austin nicked off him but rather than go out and spent a good few bob on a replacement he gave Vokes and Ings first crack of the whip and they have not looked back. Dyche barks orders from the touchline for 90 minutes and gets the very best out of a side that have no individual stars but play as a team, that is good management.

You also say that Powell continues to find these gems for free to help us keep progressing, Wood, Dervite, Kermorgant for example?....Gems? are you being serious?....Progressing? in what way, we currently sit 11 places from where we finished last season therefore we have gone backwards?....what new ideas are you seeing this season?...what new tactics have we seen? CP is spent on all fronts he is regurgitating on his ideas of two seasons ago and hoping that they can still work....fact is they don't, not at all.

Why can't you and other fans accept that Powell is only the manager because he played for us and was a fans favourite? Do you honestly think he would be in charge if the idiots who run the club weren't actually here themselves?

I have always been behind the players but I refuse to support a manager who is in a false position. You still refuse to see the bigger picture and write a silly sentence at the end of your post asking me if Powell really wanted the strike force he has at his disposal.....the answer is yes it has to be because Church and Sordell just didn't turn up out of the blue he actually signed them? If he didn't want them why are they here?

More fool me if he goes next summer?......again why? There is a possibility he could end up at Middlesbrough soon I am led to believe as they are showing an interest which will mean that there won't be a dry eye in the house but you won't see me shedding any tears.

I am a Charlton fan not a Chris Powell fan. The general rule in football is that nobody is bigger than the club itself, that rule goes out of the window at Charlton it really does, the fans are obsessed with Powell and cannot see a future without him because they refuse to, just a shame that they did not afford Phil Parkinson the same luxury but there again he never played for us did he and leaped about in the tunnel 5 minutes after the final whistle.

CP is the reason I am not watching my team at the moment and the same goes for thousands of others. If the faithful 10,000 are happy to accept that and sit and watch us struggle just as long as their hero is still at the helm then let's see where that nice little cosy arrangement takes us as a Football club.

Fuller is the type of player we are missing this year he's the type of player who can change a game in a matter of seconds. Who knows if we had him against Wigan we may well have had all 3 points. So yeah I do see him as worthwhile actually and if offered the chance I'm sure Powell would of had him back this year as well. And for the record Fuller has started all bar a few of Blackpools games this year and reguarly plays up to at least the 80th min. So he must be doing something right.

I don't see how the list I've mentioned is a joke. Some are clearly improvements on what we had otherwie why has Dervite and Wood replaced Taylor. I assume you were taking the piss when you said they are among the worst players to play for Charlton because that comment is just ridiculous and clueless. On the loan signings how many times have I mentioned I AGREE they have not been very good. However considering players like Obika who were good and did improve us weren't able to sign permanently because of money problems, otherwise I'm sure we'd have Obika now instead of Sordell.

Dyche has done well at Burnley so far yes but we're not even 15 games into the season yet so there is a long way to go. Players like Ings have improved with age as well. Next year we will be stronger even if we don't sign anyone when players like Cousins, Harriott, Piggott and maybe even more Poyet, Feely, Azzez etc are a year older and have more experience

Yes I'm being serious about those 3 being great finds, in fact I'm surprised you did mention them considering you have an intense knowledge of football and are a better scout than Chapell etc.

Powell has being using new tactics this year, we've used 451, 442, 4312, 433, 352 to keep the opposition guessing and the find the best mix.

Of course the current strike force wasnt the 'A list' for Powell not even close I guess, maybe you should look at the bigger picture.

Phil Parkinson did the best he could for us and I think you'll find most Charlton fans wished him well, however he wasn't taking us anywhere and we wouldn't of signed a new squad that year full of young hungry players with a point to prove if he had stayed. It's a shame you didn't watch the Wigan game because you would of been pleasantly surprised. We played nice football, playing it out from the back, and we're the better team for most of the game.