For those unable to wade through that right-wing muck here is a nice quote to take home--

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We haven't seen a single report of anyone asserting that troublemakers on the left and troublemakers on the right were "morally equivalent," specifically, by using that exact term. Nonetheless, numerous pundits on the progressive axis have hurled exactly those charges about freely, especially at the president.

Add to that a purge underway to eliminate every last symbol, artifact, and memorial that might have some connection to the Confederacy and slavery, no matter how flimsy the link. Out, [dang]ed spots! Those named "Robert Lee" suddenly find themselves pariahs in the media world.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.

I recall him referring to prior issues/policies enacted prior to his term without calling out Bush by name which does happen it seems in all presidencies on a minimal scale. Trump seems to specifically call out Obama (and Bush on occasion) constantly when throwing blame off himself.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is a permanent victim in his own mind, it shows it's pathetic head every time he faces criticism or conflict. So yeah, it's happening more with Trump.

But President Obama alluded to the circumstances that created the financial crisis more than a few times. I don't think he called out President Bush by name, but I do think we all were expected to know what he meant.

I recall him referring to prior issues/policies enacted prior to his term without calling out Bush by name which does happen it seems in all presidencies on a minimal scale. Trump seems to specifically call out Obama (and Bush on occasion) constantly when throwing blame off himself.

It is like a lot of things with Trump. It is something that a lot of people have KINDA done, but Trump takes it to a new degree of intensity, beyond the normal expected boundaries. Everything about the guy is hyperbolic, except for his humanity.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?

Up until Osama Bin Laden was killed, I do remember, thereafter, not so much.

Politico reported Wednesday that New York’s attorney general Eric Schneiderman is now working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III in the probe of financial transactions involving Paul Manafort, a story independently confirmed by The Washington Post by a source familiar with the investigation.

While the involvement of Schneiderman could produce nothing and is in an early stage, the news sends an important message to President Trump: his pardon power does not extend to state crimes.

In the event Manafort or anyone else is charged under New York law, or threatened with indictment, there will be nothing Trump can do about it.

His “power to grant reprieves and pardons” only covers “offenses against the United States,” according to Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Reports of Schneiderman’s interest in Manafort are not new.

But the news that the New York attorney general is teaming up with Mueller attracted a good deal of attention from Trump critics because of the pardon issue. Trump pointedly tweeted in July that he has “complete power to pardon” aides, family members and possibly even himself. His pardon Friday of former Maricopa County sheriff Joe Arpaio was a seen by some as strong message that he is willing to use the pardon power liberally.

“So much for strategic use of pardon power with Manafort,” tweeted Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe.

Let's see how loyal these guys are when they know they can't be pardoned. Sometimes, it only takes one.

The fact that we even need to discuss "strategic use of pardoning" of potential traitors like Manafort tells you all you need to know about how awful and corrupt this administration is.

agreed - no scruples in this administration.

"...But Obama"

"...and Hillary"

==> speaking of which, is it just me or does Trump refer back to Obama's (and other) presidency for excuses of either why things aren't working as he says they should or to justify his questionable behavior/decisions?

I don't recall any former president in my lifetime (going back to Ford in terms of being old enough to understand what was going on in the country) not taking on the "buck stops here" mentality and just addressing the issues as they faced that particular administration? I don't recall once hearing Trump accept responsibility for anything (except for things that supposedly went well that he had little to nothing to do with).

Trump is the worst, but you don't remember Obama blaming GWB deep into his Presidency?

Up until Osama Bin Laden was killed, I do remember, thereafter, not so much.

I recall him saying some issues carried over from the prior administration early in his administratino but not many references to Bush specifically. Spoke more to policies that were the cause of some major issues that needed to be changed.

Like I said, it could just be me but Trump really name drops like his personal mission is to be the anti-Obama or that Obama is the root of all evil. Certainly doesn't take the approach that he's responsible for anything (unless something accidentally goes right that he can claim credit for whether he deserves any credit or not).

Like I said, it could just be me but Trump really name drops like his personal mission is to be the anti-Obama or that Obama is the root of all evil. Certainly doesn't take the approach that he's responsible for anything (unless something accidentally goes right that he can claim credit for whether he deserves any credit or not).

No you're right, Trump's relationship with Obama is really weird. There are kind of 2 'relationships'. I'm going to summarize them:

1) Barack Obama was the worst thing that could've happened to our country and any steps forward I take are a miracle considering how bad it was when I took office - Lyrics from 'Playin To The Base', from DJT Likes The PYT, 2017

2) This is a very bad situation. It was bad under Obama, and it is bad now. I'm trying to fix it, Obama couldn't fix it. It is very complicated. - Lyrics from 'I Want You To Want Me (Because That's A Thing With Me)', from The Donald (Laid Bare), 2017

Sometimes he's like...making common ground with common problems. Sometimes he's salting the earth.

But yeah, talks a lot about President Obama (and Hillary, and whoever was serving that pops into his head as a convenient target)