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I don't really have much to say as regards to this thread, but I have to point this out;

Originally Posted by KansaiBen

all kinds of people lie about all kinds of things. the japanese do it all the time. they call it tatemae honne. im no teenager incase you didnt realise maybe you should go back and read MY post.

I don't know if you were deliberately misrepresenting the concept, confident that nobody would call on you, or if you really don't know as much Japanese as you would like us to believe, but tatemae/honne is not the same as lying, and it almost sounds like you are analogizing it to someone lying about their identity on the Internet, which would be downright misleading.

Tatemae are not so much lies as phrases that say one thing, but mean another, and it's misleading to say they are lies because usually both parties know what the other truly means. If one party says, "We will consider your proposal", the other party knows automatically that what they really mean is "No". It may seem like lying if you are unfamiliar with how the tatemae/honne concept works, but it is definitely not the same as "lying all the time".

Try again.

Also, you don't have to keep reminding us how knowledgeable you are of Japan in every line of your every post. We get it.

Last edited by Datenshi; 12-04-2009 at 06:05 PM.

"If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron."

tatemae honne is lying. socially sanctioned lying. you can twist the words however you want. ive dealt with it for twenty years (10 at university level) and know exactly what it is.

both parties usually know what the others mean, but usually isnt always is it? there are many cases when they dont and have been on the giving and receiving end of the experience plenty of times when it falls down to your wannabe expert take on it. put your dues in first, then tell me what you think. no need to try and sound clever because you did some Japanese at high school. try an MA at temple and a PR visa for size.

you try again. i wouldnt have to remind people if it wasnt called into question all the time. some people just dont like to be given the reality of things. too many words being twisted here. you dont know anything about my life.

...Datenshi is Japanese. He's lived there his whole life. There is no one more knowledgeable about it than him, certainly not some hostile noob who claims that he's a professor. The only person who called your words into question was me, and only in ONE post. Stop being a goddamn jerk.

...Datenshi is Japanese. He's lived there his whole life. There is no one more knowledgeable about it than him, certainly not some hostile noob who claims that he's a professor. The only person who called your words into question was me, and only in ONE post. Stop being a goddamn jerk.

Part of me thinks that this guy, along with the two other diptards that registered today are all Mavericker.

tatemae honne is lying. socially sanctioned lying. you can twist the words however you want. ive dealt with it for twenty years (10 at university level) and know exactly what it is.

both parties usually know what the others mean, but usually isnt always is it? there are many cases when they dont and have been on the giving and receiving end of the experience plenty of times when it falls down to your wannabe expert take on it. put your dues in first, then tell me what you think. no need to try and sound clever because you did some Japanese at high school. try an MA at temple and a PR visa for size.

you try again. i wouldnt have to remind people if it wasnt called into question all the time. some people just dont like to be given the reality of things. too many words being twisted here. you dont know anything about my life.

dont care if youve lived in japan or still dont believe me. nothing impressive about writing japanese on an english forum. especially when you dont write it very well.

i didnt come on here to be insulted by some wannabe otaku who thinks japan a theme park. if you want milk and honey you should stay at home. stop following me around. my dog (JALTY) knows what tatemae honne is better than you.

you lose.

I find it funny that a non-Japanese person living in Japan is trying to prove he's more Japanese than a Japanese native...and then calls said native a wannabe otaku.

perhaps the real irony is some japanese comic geek trying to argue with an language professor about semantics regarding the japanese use of english names. there arent japanese names, no matter how many vowels you stick on the end. if your friend had any sense of national pride hed realise that he was misinforming posters.

having been in japan twenty years (taught at a university for ten) and seen newbies misuse the language i know what im talking aout. no skin off my nose what you think of me anyway.

Oh, I'm not arguing with you about Japanese semantics. I don't know the language, and I don't claim to. I'm simply pointing out that you've got your head firmly planted up your rear and are announcing to the forum that it smells like roses. With yourself in such a position, no one cares about your credentials...not that we did in the first place.

(Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "I" sounds like ee in meet, but shorter. "E" sounds like e in met.)

Basically, the same as in English.

Last edited by Memento Mori; 12-05-2009 at 10:00 PM.

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My name is Erika
It is "ERIKA" エリカ. (Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "I" sounds like ee in meet, but shorter. "E" sounds like e in met.)

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