All roads lead to Chauncey

Despite Chauncey's struggles, he was still +109 in the Playoffs, which was the best on the Pistons. When he was on the court, we did well.

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Strongly agree.

We need to keep him unless we could get something monstrous in a sign and trade.

He's still top 5 at his position and maybe the best spot up shooting PG in the game today.

We really need that 'Vinnie Johnson' 3rd guard that can come in and fully absorb 20-30 mins a night with virtually no drop off.

I just hope Chauncey doesn't get insane with his contract demands. Does it really matter if you make 9 mill or 12 mill a year? Honestly? Wouldn't it be better to win more and take the endorsements that winning brings?

I don't think LB was that excited to 'get into the offense' when he wanted the shots coming with less than 5 on the shot clock every possession.

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I could be misinterpreting what you've written, so bear with me.

No doubt in my mind, Larry didn't want a run and gun team. But equally no doubt in my mind, he didn't encourage his guards to push the ball over halfcourt just to avoid eight second violations.

He wanted an opportunistic offense. He wanted one that was aggressive and took rather than one that sat back and waited to see what was available. I really think that's what was lost with Flip. By not at least pushing to see if anything good might happen and then settling into the halfcourt offense, Flip's offense lost a number of easy / easier hoops each game.

That was o.k. during the regular season when defenses aren't as tight and it's harder to load up to stop one team. But in the playoffs, losing those easier hoops meant that every basket scored got harder. The degree of difficulty went up, and I think that's why you saw Pistons offensive meltdowns two consecutive years in the playoffs.

Could be why the Wolves never got all that far either, but I didn't watch them enough to be sure.

No doubt in my mind, Larry didn't want a run and gun team. But equally no doubt in my mind, he didn't encourage his guards to push the ball over halfcourt just to avoid eight second violations.

He wanted an opportunistic offense. He wanted one that was aggressive and took rather than one that sat back and waited to see what was available. I really think that's what was lost with Flip. By not at least pushing to see if anything good might happen and then settling into the halfcourt offense, Flip's offense lost a number of easy / easier hoops each game.

That was o.k. during the regular season when defenses aren't as tight and it's harder to load up to stop one team. But in the playoffs, losing those easier hoops meant that every basket scored got harder. The degree of difficulty went up, and I think that's why you saw Pistons offensive meltdowns two consecutive years in the playoffs.

Could be why the Wolves never got all that far either, but I didn't watch them enough to be sure.

I think he is still an upper level PG but the Pistons need a change of pace backup. CB for all his ability is not good defensively, beating anyone off the first step and finishing at the hole.

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I think that a big part of why he was +109, despite struggling on offense, was because he does do some things right on defense. His strength is his weakness. You can't be a big, strong guard and still have that Tony Parker quickness and AI's ability to steal the ball. CB doesn't get pushed around, is smart with his fouls, and presents big mismatches on the other end (ie can wear his man out and get them in foul trouble and off the court).

So, I would say that we should really focus on getting that prototype PG as a backup... not as a replacement for Chaunce. And if you are going to groom another PG, then what better player for them to play behind and learn from than Chauncey? Think about that.

At this point we have two different teams. We have an older, slower and methodical starting line up and a bench full of athletes that don't quite fit into one position. Are we thinking that we are going to go into next year like this?

I posted earlier that we could start and end games with our mature and methodical starting line up and just plain wear teams down in the middle with our athletes.

This is one reason I was surprised we got rid of Arroyo. I thought he was the change of pace we needed off the bench to run with Fino, Max and AJ.

I just hope Chauncey doesn't get insane with his contract demands. Does it really matter if you make 9 mill or 12 mill a year? Honestly? Wouldn't it be better to win more and take the endorsements that winning brings?

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Normally Joe structures contracts with raises. This is the league standard. Since raises are percentage based, $9 or 12 million to start is a massive difference over the length of a contract. Unless you are talking about average salary over the contract.

If Boobie outplays you for less than a million, does it make sense to invest $9 million to that matchup?

No doubt in my mind, Larry didn't want a run and gun team. But equally no doubt in my mind, he didn't encourage his guards to push the ball over halfcourt just to avoid eight second violations.

He wanted an opportunistic offense. He wanted one that was aggressive and took rather than one that sat back and waited to see what was available. I really think that's what was lost with Flip. By not at least pushing to see if anything good might happen and then settling into the halfcourt offense, Flip's offense lost a number of easy / easier hoops each game.

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Larry was specifically brought in to speed up Rick Carlisle's offensive style of plodding stall ball. It wasn't about jacking up treys or trying to fastbreak at the expense of defense each set, it was, as you wrote, about pressuring the other team by attacking them before they were set, and then rocking the ball side to side until the defense became unravelled.

Nash - Bad back is a timebomb, but yes better.
Iverson - Not a PG, tiny, on the downtick.
Tony Pizzle - Tough call, can't shoot straight
Deron Williams - A little green, hell of a player/ future.
B Dizzle - when motivated and if healthy, two big if's.
J Kidd - Way past his peak. I'd take C$ as of 2008.
CP3 - Also green, but a hell of a player/future.

Tough call, I'd rather have Nash at the stripe and Chauncey from 3, Chauncey takes way more bad/tough 3's than Nash Does.

We have him. His name is Flip Murray. We cut his minutes down drastically in the playoffs.

Most worthless player on the pistons, sucked for the Cavs vs us last year then we signed him... BRILLIANT. A shot happy SF in a combo guards body.

Normally Joe structures contracts with raises. This is the league standard. Since raises are percentage based, $9 or 12 million to start is a massive difference over the length of a contract. Unless you are talking about average salary over the contract.

He's getting 6 now, don't you think he deserves a raise? yeah maybe he could bit that bullet and make 50 mill instead of 60 mill?

If Boobie outplays you for less than a million, does it make sense to invest $9 million to that matchup?

If 'boobie' keeps this up he is the Arenas of this draft, don't know what to say, Chauncey was also his 'idol' so he knows his game inside and out.

Larry was specifically brought in to speed up Rick Carlisle's offensive style of plodding stall ball. It wasn't about jacking up treys or trying to fastbreak at the expense of defense each set, it was, as you wrote, about pressuring the other team by attacking them before they were set, and then rocking the ball side to side until the defense became unravelled.
- I don't disagree. But on the (vomit) "Flip" side (vomit) to act like he was 'rushing the ball up the court' is hilarious, how many times did he spaz out after a quick shot (even if it was a good one) or yell at them to pull it back out?

Chauncey would be good averaging about 30 minutes per game. That way he's fresh, he can have legs to make his shots. He needs to stop trying to draw fouls at the end of the game. He needs to drive and dish. Where did Rip's curl play go in the playoffs we'll never know.

At this point we have two different teams. We have an older, slower and methodical starting line up and a bench full of athletes that don't quite fit into one position. Are we thinking that we are going to go into next year like this?

I posted earlier that we could start and end games with our mature and methodical starting line up and just plain wear teams down in the middle with our athletes.

This is one reason I was surprised we got rid of Arroyo. I thought he was the change of pace we needed off the bench to run with Fino, Max and AJ.

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At least we have a higher draft pick this year to get a good PG to back up CB, assuming he stays.

I think he is still an upper level PG but the Pistons need a change of pace backup. CB for all his ability is not good defensively, beating anyone off the first step and finishing at the hole.

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VERY true, but there's more. After watching an aging Baron Davis and a young Deron Williams not only take people off the dribble, but finish above the rim absorbing MAJOR contact, I knew Chauncy game was at a much lower level athletically.

I don't think I've seen Chauncy dunk the ball all year. Is he even capable of dunking? Even Flip Murray had that major slam over Captn Kirk. I think he's still rising(lol).

VERY true, but there's more. After watching an aging Baron Davis and a young Deron Williams not only take people off the dribble, but finish above the rim absorbing MAJOR contact, I knew Chauncy game was at a much lower level athletically.

I don't think I've seen Chauncy dunk the ball all year. Is he even capable of dunking? Even Flip Murray had that major slam over Captn Kirk. I think he's still rising(lol).

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Chauncey gets fatigued easily. I know it's his job and he should play a lot of minutes, but he can't. Get a PG to back him up, when Mike James was here we all saw what Chauncey did that playoffs.

Well it all leads to officiating and how the NBA Pampere's superstar!!!! i guess Joe D has to wake up and accept the fact that detroit basket is well gone NO MORE HARD NOSE DEFENSE..in the NBA you cant play with fire and emotion nowadays..Players should be like robots..NBA darlings get the D wade TREATMENT it sucks..they get millions without bleeding..imagine they score 30 points PPG but almost half of it on the free throw line..it sucks i guess im a pistons fan thats why im bitter..its not sheed or anybody else. Its the NBA organization itself, so for david and STU turn NBA basketball to netball wherein theres no more Body Contact..

A couple of things. First of all, Baron Davis is only 28 and missed lots of games in his career, so he's still very very fresh. Second, Chauncey was never athletic or a high jumper. And third, he played more minutes in the last 5 years, without a capable backup for the most part, than any other PG in the NBA. Anyone would get tired.

A couple of things. First of all, Baron Davis is only 28 and missed lots of games in his career, so he's still very very fresh. Second, Chauncey was never athletic or a high jumper. And third, he played more minutes in the last 5 years, without a capable backup for the most part, than any other PG in the NBA. Anyone would get tired.

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And has a paper mache knee.

Baron is one of the few guys in the league that usually schools Chauncey head to head.

I have great respect for him and would love him on the Pistons, but I'd rather have Chauncey when I'm trying to win a title or get a good seed.

VERY true, but there's more. After watching an aging Baron Davis and a young Deron Williams not only take people off the dribble, but finish above the rim absorbing MAJOR contact, I knew Chauncy game was at a much lower level athletically.

I don't think I've seen Chauncy dunk the ball all year. Is he even capable of dunking? Even Flip Murray had that major slam over Captn Kirk. I think he's still rising(lol).

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Agree, CB is not much of athlete. His flopping drives me nuts. I think getting a 2nd PG who is talented will force CB to elevate his game due to competition. I am crossing my fingers that Joe doesn't blow this draft. A good PG and PF/C, and I'm happy. Wouldn't mind a SF to limit Tay's limits. Just depends on what available in the draft and FA.