Update: Cold fusion competition heats up as a rival to Andrea Rossi emerges

Update 26/01/12: It seems Defkalion is
serious about independent testing. In a press release this week, the company invited "requests
from internationally recognised and reputable scientific and
business organisations interested to conduct their independent
tests."

Would-be testers will have to visit Defkalion's laboratory in
Athens, where the company is making available two Hyperion power
units, one "live" and the other inert, for comparison. Defkalion
say that the live unit will achieve a coefficient of performance of
at least 20, in other words putting out 20 times as much energy as
goes in to heat it. It's a bold move, especially compared to Andrea
Rossi who has kept independent testers at arm's length from his
demonstrations. It remains to be seen whether the tests really will
dispel doubts or if they will raise more questions than they
answer.

Original story (published 31 December, 2011)
below.

It's been an exciting few weeks since Andrea Rossi demonstrated
his one-megawatt E-Cat power plant with apparent success. Critics still believe
that the test was a sham, the mystery customer is a fake, and there
is no concrete evidence the technology works. Rossi has been busy
since then, and the E-Cat bandwagon is rolling onwards. But now he
has rivals in the cold fusion business. Is this evidence that the
technology is real and can be replicated? Or just that someone else
wants a piece of a possible scam of the decade?

Cold fusion, otherwise known as "low energy nuclear reaction"
(LENR) technology has yet to gain any scientific respectability.
This hasn't stopped Greek company Defkalion Green
Technologies launching its own range of cold fusion power
plants, rivals to Rossi's E-Cat. In a press release (.pdf), the company announced they
would be selling a range of units under the name Hyperion, from
small domestic boilers to industrial power plants.

They have a detailed specification document for its product (.pdf) and say the launch is due early
2012. Unlike Rossi, it invites independent third parties to test
its products and report the findings "under agreed protocol." Its
customers will not be bound by non-disclosure agreements, whereas
Rossi's dealings have been highly secretive.

Defkalion used to have a close working relationship with Rossi.
Originally the company was to produce thousands of E-Cats a year
from a factory on Xanthi using Rossi's design under licence. The
relationship broke up in
August, for reasons which have never been fully disclosed. The
company has persevered with a cold fusion device of its own, which
it insists has been developed independently and also that Hyperion
is more stable than Rossi's E-Cat.

Like the E-Cat, Hyperion will initially be used for producing heat
only, with electricity generation following. The first will be a
one-megawatt device, the same scale as the one in Rossi's
demonstration in October.

Curiously, Rossi does not accuse Defkalion of stealing
intellectual property. Instead, he insists that it has never known
the details how the E-Cat works. He says it cannot make its device
operate without his secret catalyst, which it was hoping to
acquire. "There are clowns saying they have a technology
copied from us, actually they have just a moke up (sic), waiting
for the piece of info they need to make a real copy," Rossi wrote
in his Journal of Nuclear Physics blog, congratulating
himself for outwitting them.

However, Defkalion spokesman Alexandros Xanthoulis told Swedish
science magazine NyTeknik that they know exactly what the
catalyst is. In a piece of subterfuge, a spectroscopic
examination was carried out on an E-Cat being while it was being
tested without Rossi's knowledge. However, to maintain "fair play",
Defkalion's scientists say they developed their technology without
using this information.

The lack of a patent means that (if this is not a hoax) the secret
is potentially worth billions. Hence Rossi does not want anyone to
repeat his results or see the kernel of the E-Cat. So long as he
has paying customers he is happy for the rest of the world to
dismiss the technology as not worth investigating.

Comments

The problem with Rossi and Defkalion's claims is that after a year, neither has ever had an independent test. Defkalion has never shown an actual product in public. Rossi has but the tests were always under his control and very arguable. Rossi promised to give devices to universities to test but he has never done so. As you note, his only customer is unidentified and we're expected to believe that the unknown customer bought 12 more "megawatt plants" -- actually each a collection of 50 or more modules. So the customer, we are told, has more than 600 modules. And what is he using them for? That's secret. None of this is credible!Rossi and Defkalion claims may be real but nobody will know until there is independent testing. And it is not encouraging that their development has followed the same path as classical investor scams from such scammers as convicted felons Carl Tilley and Dennis Lee as well as Steorn's "Orbo", and many others.

maryyugo

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

Highly ranked by who? Same old repetitious rubbish recycled from all his/her posts. Never learns, never listens, never bothers to read anything other than her/his own posts.

Tony

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to maryyugo

Rinse and repeat.....how boring.

Adam

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to maryyugo

More like "cut and paste". There is an identical comment from maryyugo on the Forbes site to another article about Rossi. There is no evidence of any scam here. Rossi has not asked for any money from investors. He has funded his own research to produce the ecat device, even to the point of having to sell his own house to raise the capital. If Rossi were to divert all his energy to producing more and more demonstrations for the likes of Krivit and Maryyugo, he would have no time left at all for anything else. It is unlikely that any demonstration no matter how convincing would satisfy these people anyway.

bkrharold

Jan 2nd 2012

In reply to maryyugo

The test was witnessed by Andrea Rossi's client who is the DARPA, (department of defense) the DOD did not want anybody assisting the test but its experts, rossi and its staff obviously. The interesting data is that the University of Bologna renewed its sponsorship of 500.000 euros for Rossi experiment. Have Fun!

Karola

Jan 9th 2012

In reply to Karola

Karola is completely incorrect. The University of Bologna categorically denies any funding of any contract by Rossi. Call their public relations office and ask them if you doubt it. Rossi said he would pay them 500000 Euros to test his device but he has never done so. Now, Rossi says he doesn't need the tests. No university has ever received a device from Rossi to test.

maryyugo

Jan 11th 2012

In reply to maryyugo

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this, I feel strongly about it and really like learning more on this matter. If possible, as you gain expertise, would you mind updating your blog with more details? It is extremely helpful for me.kamagra

Micel Zone

Mar 22nd 2012

Unlike Rossi, Defkalion has never allowed a single public test to be performed, and has never allowed a third party to conduct a test and freely publish the results. As far as I am concerned, we have zero evidence that Defkalion has anything. What we do know is that Andrea Rossi has allowed a long series of tests throughout 2011, and allowed the data to be open distributed. In each of over a dozen tests or more, there was a clear production of excess energy. On Oct. 28th, a system self sustained producing half a megawatt of power. Andrea Rossi's technology is the real deal.

Mr. O

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to Mr. O

To Mr. O: The problem with Rossi's many tests is that all were in his lab, used his power source, his coolant supply and mostly his measuring devices. Many were done by using evaporation of water as a measure of enthalpy -- this is highly error prone in Rossi's favor. None of the tests, not a one, was independent of Rossi. As to the "half a megawatt", nobody witnessed the data taking for that test. Even though a dozen or so scientists and reporters were present, they were not allowed to see what was being done. And during the entire test, a large diesel generator was connected to the device and could have provided the entire half megawatt if that's what the device actually produced (which is uncertain). The evidence against the reality of Rossi's claims is that he could have proved them easily any time during the previous year, simply by getting one properly done and entirely independent test. This could have been done as a "black box" test with no risk to intellectual property or trade secrets.

maryyugo

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

you are really a snake that never miss a chance to bite with distributing misinformation and phonyclaim of fraud and scam.for example large diesel generator was a 350kw generator that was usedto start reaction in 1mw plant and run large fan for cooling radiator , still plant generate 470kwthermal energy ,i don't know how a 350kw generator can generate 470kw thermal energy.

nima

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

And your evidence and source for all that information? Could it be Mr. Rossi? It would have to be because none of the distinguished visitors Mr. Rossi invited to the demonstration were allowed to see how much the generator worked during the run or what power it provided. The only information they received was scribbled by hand on three dirty sheets of paper they received at the end of the show from an unknown "engineer" who has never been questioned or interviewed. Note also that the Associated Press was present but refused to publish anything about the demonstration.

maryyugo

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

My information is directly from Professor Levi from university of bologna.he was right-hand of rossiin 28oct test.

nima

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

To Nima:The University of Bologna has issued a specific statement saying that any presence by anyone on their staff at any experiment of Rossi's is not an official function of the university and is not endorsed by the university.Dr. Levi has been asked many times to properly document and to repeat in public his February experiment with Rossi's ecat. He has never done that and has never explained why he won't.The University of Bologna has said explicitly that they have never received an ecat to test. They have also not been paid for the research agreement they signed with Rossi. Rossi had promised to pay them as soon as he delivered his supposed "megawatt plant" and he has not done so.If Dr. Levi has something to say about the October 28 experiment, I suggest you ask him to come here and write it down or to write a paper or other document or to hold an interview. Otherwise, what you report is hearsay and is not credible.The fact remains that the device at the October 28 experiment was connected to a huge generator which ran during the entire experiment. The experiment was also of too short a duration to be meaningful. There is nothing to exclude the storage or generation of chemical energy inside the device. References for what I just wrote are found in NASA slides and the writings of Steven Krivit on his blog.

maryyugo

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to maryyugo

1"The University of Bologna has issued a specific statement saying that any presence by anyone on their staff at any experiment of Rossi's is not an official function of the university and is not endorsed by the university" 1- this is a lie , university bologna never issued such specific statement ,The University of Bologna even signed a agreement with Rossi for doing research on e-cat .2"Dr. Levi has been asked many times to properly document and to repeat in public his February experiment with Rossi's ecat. He has never done that and has never explained why he won't"2.Dr. Levi doesn't work for you to do anything that you want,he did test for 18 hours and he wasconvinced that this is a nuclear reaction ,3"The University of Bologna has said explicitly that they have never received an ecat to test. They have also not been paid for the research agreement they signed with Rossi. Rossi had promised to pay them as soon as he delivered his supposed "megawatt plant" and he has not done so"3-The University of Bologna signed a agreement with Rossi and until 31 January 2012 rossi have time to pay them.4"Dr. Levi has something to say about the October 28 experiment, I suggest you ask him to come here and write it down or to write a paper or other document or to hold an interview. Otherwise, what you report is hearsay and is not credible.The fact remains that the device at the October 28 experiment was connected to a huge generator which ran during the entire experiment. The experiment was also of too short a duration to be meaningful. There is nothing to exclude the storage or generation of chemical energy inside the device."4-nonsense5-References Steven Krivit 5-wow

nima

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to maryyugo

To Nima: Here's an exact quote from the University of Bologna Public Affairs office:* * * * *"Braga (Dario Braga, the director of scientific research at the University of Bologna) explained the university's perspective to New Energy Times today in an e-mail. * * * * *"Faculty of the University of Bologna are not part of the Rossi device evaluation until the university can start with its own experiments," Braga wrote. "There is nothing we can do to prevent our scientists from attending outside demonstrations at a private location or to prevent them from providing their own opinions as researchers on a scientific experiment. These behaviors are not illicit and do not carry any formal or informal implication on the level of involvement of the University of Bologna on the matter."Bianchini is not an employee of our university but a student and should not have used the Department of Physics as his affiliation in writing the safety report. We are investigating this matter further. Professor Villa's and professor Levi's reports were circulated and prepared long before the contract between Rossi and the Department of Physics was actually signed and were for internal purposes. Once again, these reports do not carry any implication about the involvement of the University of Bologna in Rossi's demonstrations." * * * * Perhaps you'd like to talk to Dr. Braga yourself? * * * * here is the link for that email: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/01/university-of-bologna-clarifies-relationship-with-rossi/

maryyugo

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to maryyugo

you really are hopeless that can not understand difference between this statement from universitybologna with something that you wrote as specific statement .

nima

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to maryyugo

looks like the banks nwo and industry status quo are already paying maryyugo. it's nice to see the status quo kick and scream like maryyugo is doing now, trying to discredit everything. of course it's entirely possible that they have tentacles inside the universities too.....

control

Jan 7th 2012

The second part of the Sting is where the Plant or Stooge creates a buzz which secures the interest of the Mark, making it easier for the Scam Artist to perpetrate the swindle.

David Sutherland

Dec 31st 2011

If you are as frustrated as I am about the LENR situation and believe as I do that LENR is an important energy source that the world desperately needs, please read on:I sent the following email to my Federal government Representatives please add or delete your own thoughts on the subject, but please write your Representatives.For US citizens, it is easy, google "congress.org" enter your zip in upper right hand corner. Click on your Reps name."Dear Representative:Subject: LENR Fast TrackThere is a preposterous situation occurring within our government that I hope your leadership can correct. Our Patent office refuses to grant patents for LENR reactors because it is their position LENR is impossible. LENR has been demonstrated in hundreds of experiments by many scientists around the world. In fact, Mr. Andrea Rossi has demonstrated his reactor many times and it has now been demonstrated the reaction can be reproduced from his patent application. This bureaucratic or purposeful obstruction is stalling a revolutionary energy source the world desperately needs. Your leadership is required now to remedy the above situation and to put LENR patents on a fast track. Thank you."

Bernie Koppenhofer

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to Bernie Koppenhofer

Bernie: Who credible and reliable has reproduced Rossi's "reaction"? No government "obstruction" could stop Rossi if he had his device properly and independently tested and sold it openly. Instead, he has only done tests that he could control and they were done by incorrect methods. And Rossi has never sold anything to anyone who could show it in public, test it properly, and talk about it. It's not the government bureaucracy stalling-- it's Rossi and Defkalion. Entirely!

Maryyugo is a disinformation entity, her crudend couse comments can be further considered on the site http://www.moletrap.co.uk many of which i cannot repeat here.US Navy Spawar, US Nasa Langley, and Amoco corporation published papers lend credence to the Rossi claim from a experimental point of view, despite the fact Rossi remains unproven to a high standard of rigor.As for maryyugo, it remains seemingly obsessed with a energy hoax 'Steorn' which neither Us Navy, Nasa, or Amoco ever paid attention to nor endorsed A theoretical basis for.

I wish to warn readers who are reading the Ecat's story for the first time that Maryyugo is a troll well known among people who have regularly followed this story. She never misses a chance to post the same messages everytime and everywhere any small bit of news about the Ecat appears on the net. Her comments may seem reasonable to newcomers but in facts are very tendentious, biased, half truths and prejudiced; nobody knows if she has an agenda or suffers from obsessive disorder. Readers who are technically minded can find indepth discussions about every aspect of the Ecat (along with answers to MY rants) on the Vortex-l mailing list. To people who are simply interested to important updates and news I suggest to follow the blog ecatnews.com

Renzo

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to Renzo

perhaps she has invested a lot in oil companies so maybe she is trying to protect herself lol

Yony T

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to Renzo

Maryyugo is most likely the most informed poster here, by a large margin. Rossi is an obvious con man, no different than Steorn or Mylow or 100 others.

Jim

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to Jim

What tosh. Read the vortex-l archives to find out was misinformation she spreads around.

Tony

Jan 1st 2012

In reply to Renzo

Maryyugo is most likely the most informed poster here, by a large margin. Rossi is an obvious con man, no different than Steorn or Mylow or 100 others.

Jim

Jan 1st 2012

To learn a little about a few other Rossi competitors, and an early non-nuclear system with some remarkable similarities patented in 1993, see CHEAP GREEN on the Aesop Institute website.

Mark Goldes

Dec 31st 2011

I personally think maryyugo is a front for big oil. It is interesting how quickly (instantly) she got her comments on this site (the team was right on it). It doesn't matter what maryyugo (big oil) says. The Internet is changing the world with the ability to spread new ideas and truth. Big oil (maryyugo) can't stop this. If it works (which I think there is too much evidence to refute it), we (the world) will get it. They can't stop the signal...

Mark Temple

Dec 31st 2011

In reply to Mark Temple

The internet also allows for people with no scientific backgrounds to spout off opinions about science. She is questioning what is fact or not and you should be as well

bs

Jan 8th 2012

Very interesting. maybe this is the year

Robbie Robertson

Dec 31st 2011

While I remain somewhat skeptical of Mr Rossi's claims, there's some pretty credible evidence for LENR in general. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc

Jim

Dec 31st 2011

The Department of energy is slowly changing its tune after NASA Chief ScientistBusnell is optimistic about the cold fusion phenomena.For those who continue to quote charletons who debunk cold fusion there has beena report on research by Amoco (oil company) in 1994 showing excess heat byreproducing the 1989 Fleismann Pons experiment obtained by newenergytimes.com.

avrosphere

Dec 31st 2011

There is a twitter account registered to a maryyugo. The owner has one follower and is following 4 other users:-1 @lenovo The official thinkpad-powered tweeting, directly from lenovo2 @adventuregirl Travel expert-adventure girl3 @drdrew Board certified MD4 @ev farm boy from Nebraska, husband father and co-founder of Twitter.PartnerDont know if this is the same maryyugo spreading malicious lies about Andrea Rossi

Harold

Jan 1st 2012

"Total replacement of fossil fuels for everything but synthetic organic chemistry." --Dr. Joseph M. Zawodny, NASAThere is a new clean energy technology that is 1/10th the cost of coal. LENR using nickel. Incredibly: Ni+H(heated under pressure)=Cu+lots of heat. This phenomenon (LENR) has been confirmed in hundreds of published scientific papers: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf "They that dominate nickel dominate space." Sort of unintuitive now, but painfully, painfully obvious in the future.