To me the biggest problem I've found with all these reports on the case is a quote from Rev. Jackson saying he intends to work with sympathizers to get the Stand Your Ground law repealed, in all states with similar statutes, starting with Florida.

For what? So anyone (likely a negro!) can walk up to me, rape me, take my purse, and stab me up? And I'm legally obligated to just let it happen or else I get thrown in prison? So they can conduct an armed home invasion, beat us within an inch of our lives and leave with our property, without having to worry about anyone putting up a fight? Sounds GREAT. Just ****ing lovely.

As a side note, those scummy self-righteous New Black Panthers need to be squished.

Thank you so much for putting the [B]real[B] facts together! This makes much more sense than the biased media nonsense. Now I'm reading things like "racist white hispanic" -- what is it with the anti-white racism all the time?! It's never ending!

This guy did what he had to do. I back him 100%.

I simply cannot come to a clear understanding how the people in our media can blatantly lie to prosecute innocent people and knowingly ruin their lives and still sleep at night. Can anyone explain this to me?

That is the version of 'John', who saw the commotion, heard the cries for help, then locked his door and ran upstairs.

On the other hand, two woman heard the cries, a shot, and went to the window and looked outside, they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon. They called out to Zimmerman asking him what he was doing, they didn't run upstairs. I don't remember their names but these women have gone public, they are not hiding behind their door like John.

So, you have conflicting accounts. It will be interesting to hear more from John. According to the fellow interviewing him he called 911. That will be interesting too.

There is a lot more evidence to be seen/heard for the case, I heard there were more 911 calls, and also Trayvon's call to his girlfriend, and all these come with time stamps.

Seventeen years old is a kid, I have a daughter 16, she's a kid. The bottom line is a wacked out vigilante confronted an unarmed kid taking a walk and end up shooting him, there is no doubt about that. He should be arrested and tried for murder, claiming he was 'standing his ground' is idiotic.

The two women were interviewed by Anderson Cooper. Cooper used the words "whining," "cry," and "whimpering" to describe what they heard. The women didn't contradict those descriptions, and the blonde lady Mary Cutcher goes on to call it "whining" herself later in the interview.

Mary Cutcher in a press conference also described "crying, it was a little boy..." Around 1:48 in the video below she said, "I heard the crying, and if it was Zimmerman that was crying, Zimmerman would have continued crying after the shot went off."

Listen to "Call 3" on the Sanford City page. You can hear the screams for yourself. This is not whimpering or whining, and it is not a little boy. It is a grown man yelling "HELP! HELP!" at the top of his lungs.

I cannot say definitively whether it was Trayvon or George yelling, but I will say that it sounds consistent with George Zimmerman's conversational voice on his call to 911. (Zimmerman's call to 911 is "Call 1" on the Sanford City page, but it is redacted; there's an unredacted version floating around too.)

For Mary Cutcher to say that she heard a "little boy" and he was "whining" or "crying" is completely out of touch with reality. You can hear it for yourself. Listen to "Call 3" on the Sanford City's webpage about the incident: City of Sanford Florida

In the press conference, Mary Cutcher said, "if it was Zimmerman that was crying, Zimmerman would have continued crying after the shot went off." That is just not logical. If Trayvon Martin was physically attacking George Zimmerman (which is indicated by the fact that George had a gash on his head and a broken nose), and George was yelling "HELP!" because he was being physically attacked, of course he would stop yelling for help after he managed to get his gun and shoot the attacker. He didn't need help anymore; he helped himself.

In the Anderson Cooper interview, both Mary Cutcher and Selma Lamilla describe that when they first looked out of the window after the gunshot, Trayvon was lying face down (this is implied by their description that George was kneeling, with his hands on Trayvon's back). They said George then stood up and started pacing to and from the body, and Selma Lamilla said that George was "touching like his head, like kind of confused." 1:15 in the Anderson Cooper interview linked above. George Zimmerman was touching his head because he had an injury to it.

They also said in the Anderson Cooper video that it was very dark, and all they saw was George's outline kneeling over Trayvon. Yet they said that George was touching Trayvon's back, suggesting that Trayvon was lying face down. I expect it would have been difficult to see that Trayvon was lying face down if it was dark, but with the police activity and lights afterwards the body would have been clearly visible.

If during the altercation, George was on the ground, with Trayvon on top of him attacking him (corroborated by anonymous neighbor witness "John"), then when George shot Trayvon, Trayvon's body would have fallen onto George. George would have had to get out from under Trayvon's body. I might expect Trayvon's body to wind up face up, if George rolled the body off himself. On the other hand, if he simply scooted out from under it, or Trayvon's body did not completely land on George, it is not difficult to visualize how Trayvon's body wound up face down. George would have been kneeling over Trayvon and touching him because of the horror of what just occurred, and to determine if he was still alive.

We still need to see what trajectory the bullet took through Trayvon Martin's body, and understand the full extent of George Zimmerman's injuries. But anyone in this thread so far who has been doubtful that Trayvon attacked George perhaps was lacking some information, and I hope this post helps you understand more fully the facts which are currently available.

It is not difficult to understand the allegation of the Sanford Police that Mary Cutcher made an initial statement to them that was "inconsistent" with her later testimony to the media. Mary Cutcher's statements to the press about a little boy whining and crying are completely inconsistent with the yelling before the gunshot, which you can hear for yourself in "Call 3" on the City of Sanford website. City of Sanford Florida

Mary Cutcher just isn't a reliable witness.

Edit to add: Mary Cutcher's 911 call is "Call 6" on the City of Sanford website (you can hear her say "Get inside, Selma!" halfway through the call. Mary Cutcher tells the dispatcher "it's a black guy."

The dispatcher says, "What do you mean, it's a black guy? that got shot?"

Mary Cutcher says, "I don't know. (yells) Selma! Is it the black guy that got shot? or is he the one - (to dispatcher) There's a black guy standing up over him."

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One thing that should be mentioned. I've seen some people refer to this "John" as unreliable because he won't step forward.

Well, use logic, would anyone with a brain step forward if they saw what he saw. Spike Lee has tweeted Zimmerman's address, the Black Panthers have put a 10,000 on Zimmerman's head, there are thousands of blacks ready to riot over this. If you were John, would you want to get caught in the crosshairs?

In the local paper father states that Trayvon was suspended from school because he was found in an "unauthorized area". Father would not elaborate.
Now what "unauthorized area", in a school, could that be?

My guess is he was hiding in the womens bathroom at the school. Probably was warned before about it.

The two women were interviewed by Anderson Cooper. Cooper used the words "whining," "cry," and "whimpering" to describe what they heard. The women didn't contradict those descriptions, and the blonde lady Mary Cutcher goes on to call it "whining" herself later in the interview.

Mary Cutcher in a press conference also described "crying, it was a little boy..." Around 1:48 in the video below she said, "I heard the crying, and if it was Zimmerman that was crying, Zimmerman would have continued crying after the shot went off."

Listen to "Call 3" on the Sanford City page. You can hear the screams for yourself. This is not whimpering or whining, and it is not a little boy. It is a grown man yelling "HELP! HELP!" at the top of his lungs.

I cannot say definitively whether it was Trayvon or George yelling, but I will say that it sounds consistent with George Zimmerman's conversational voice on his call to 911. (Zimmerman's call to 911 is "Call 1" on the Sanford City page, but it is redacted; there's an unredacted version floating around too.)

For Mary Cutcher to say that she heard a "little boy" and he was "whining" or "crying" is completely out of touch with reality. You can hear it for yourself. Listen to "Call 3" on the Sanford City's webpage about the incident: City of Sanford Florida

In the press conference, Mary Cutcher said, "if it was Zimmerman that was crying, Zimmerman would have continued crying after the shot went off." That is just not logical. If Trayvon Martin was physically attacking George Zimmerman (which is indicated by the fact that George had a gash on his head and a broken nose), and George was yelling "HELP!" because he was being physically attacked, of course he would stop yelling for help after he managed to get his gun and shoot the attacker. He didn't need help anymore; he helped himself.

In the Anderson Cooper interview, both Mary Cutcher and Selma Lamilla describe that when they first looked out of the window after the gunshot, Trayvon was lying face down (this is implied by their description that George was kneeling, with his hands on Trayvon's back). They said George then stood up and started pacing to and from the body, and Selma Lamilla said that George was "touching like his head, like kind of confused." 1:15 in the Anderson Cooper interview linked above. George Zimmerman was touching his head because he had an injury to it.

They also said in the Anderson Cooper video that it was very dark, and all they saw was George's outline kneeling over Trayvon. Yet they said that George was touching Trayvon's back, suggesting that Trayvon was lying face down. I expect it would have been difficult to see that Trayvon was lying face down if it was dark, but with the police activity and lights afterwards the body would have been clearly visible.

If during the altercation, George was on the ground, with Trayvon on top of him attacking him (corroborated by anonymous neighbor witness "John"), then when George shot Trayvon, Trayvon's body would have fallen onto George. George would have had to get out from under Trayvon's body. I might expect Trayvon's body to wind up face up, if George rolled the body off himself. On the other hand, if he simply scooted out from under it, or Trayvon's body did not completely land on George, it is not difficult to visualize how Trayvon's body wound up face down. George would have been kneeling over Trayvon and touching him because of the horror of what just occurred, and to determine if he was still alive.

We still need to see what trajectory the bullet took through Trayvon Martin's body, and understand the full extent of George Zimmerman's injuries. But anyone in this thread so far who has been doubtful that Trayvon attacked George perhaps was lacking some information, and I hope this post helps you understand more fully the facts which are currently available.

It is not difficult to understand the allegation of the Sanford Police that Mary Cutcher made an initial statement to them that was "inconsistent" with her later testimony to the media. Mary Cutcher's statements to the press about a little boy whining and crying are completely inconsistent with the yelling before the gunshot, which you can hear for yourself in "Call 3" on the City of Sanford website. City of Sanford Florida

Mary Cutcher just isn't a reliable witness.

Edit to add: Mary Cutcher's 911 call is "Call 6" on the City of Sanford website (you can hear her say "Get inside, Selma!" halfway through the call. Mary Cutcher tells the dispatcher "it's a black guy."

The dispatcher says, "What do you mean, it's a black guy? that got shot?"

Mary Cutcher says, "I don't know. (yells) Selma! Is it the black guy that got shot? or is he the one - (to dispatcher) There's a black guy standing up over him."

Eyewitness testimony can be surprisingly inaccurate and even downright misleading at times.

Notice at 2:00 in the 2nd video: Cutcher says "The only thing I saw that night..." and then she proceeds to describe merely what she heard (or at least thought she'd heard).