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Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

Maybe I am the one that is wrong, but I don't get too worked up either way about a 26th pick in the draft.

If this guy is still on the team in 4 years then it is a great pick.

And yes, I would also bet money that a player or two taken after the 26th pick will be a better player than Plumlee. Will it be any of the players mentioned in this thread as who the pacers should have taken? I have no idea, but probably not - just going by the odds.

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Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

The Pacers will introduce Miles Plumlee at an introductory press conference on Friday, June 29th at 1:00 PM. Stay tuned to this URL for the live feed.

Pacers.com will also be following Plumlee all throughout his first day at Bankers Life Fieldhouse, including a live chat scheduled in the afternoon after the press conference (time TBD). No date yet has been set for a press conference with Orlando Johnson.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

There were "many better options" for a proven scorer for the bench still on the board? Okay....

You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

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Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.

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Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

For those who don't like Plum, who did you want at backup and how much would you pay them?

Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever. Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

You know which players have proven they were better options for scoring still on the board? EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER.

Looking on the bright side of things, sure Plumlee is at least 2 years older than every one of these players as well, but he also has experience coming off the bench. So maybe he hasn't proven he can score, but he has proven he isn't a starter. So he's got that going for him.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

Pumlee wasn't brought in to score, thats not a good measure. There are reason, many, to criticize this pick, not sure lack of scoring is one of them. Although you'd think with the clanks being produced by Austin Rivers, you'd think he'd have better scoring just from put backs.

It was a direct response to Since86 implying there were not any better proven scorers available at that point, when in fact they all had proven more than Plumlee had.

While Plumlee's lack of offensive talent is worrisome, his combination of age, and lack of talent in general is the real issue.

The comparisons to Hansbrough might as well start now. At least Plumlee isn't old, undersized, and lacking talent. He's just old and lacking talent.

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Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

Fesenko. Might end up being cheaper than Plumlee. I am disappointed in this pick mostly because I really believe in Fesenko. I think we could have afforded to take the risks on PJ III to develop and mature behind Granger/West, whoever.

What did you see in Fesenko that made you believe he is a shoe in for our main backup?

I ask because you saw something that our scouts, Larry, Vogel and staff didn't see.

Im just envisioning a few years from now that we end up regretting taking Plumlee as opposed to one of the dozen players drafted after him.

And on the flip side, Plum might be better than players picked ahead of him.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

With all this said, I'm not going to defend this pick, its done. I think its rare a guy is not very productive in College then becomes a really productive pro. I get the whole getting a role player/dirty work guy, but if this was an elite guy at doing those things, wouldn't it show more at the collegiate level. I need to go back and watch tape, maybe he does all those things that don't show up in the box score, maybe he does set crunching picks and gets every loose ball and play tough post defense. I really don't know, although I'm inclined to think, if he did, he'd play more than 20 mins a game for Coach K.

Maybe he is a late bloomer and becomes this, it seems like he has legit size and ability. Its just a ton of ifs.

I also get the Pacers aren't trying to build a team that won 12 games last year, they are trying to fill out a team that they want to continue to grow together with the existing core.

Lastly, I have no argument against the value of this pick, at all. It really seems like you could have gotten him later and picked up assets.

I take solace in this, if Orlando Johnson was picked at 26 and Plumlee at 36, I'd be okay with it. So there's that.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

Fab Melo averaged like 6 points I think, and he went 22 to the Celtics lol. Plumlee's lack of scoring is the last thing we need to worry about. We have enough scoring in the post in Hibbert and West.

With the second unit no we don't. Hibbert can only play 30 minutes and West will start so when the second unit comes are whole game plan changes for the worse. The second unit doesn't have a good enough backcourt to score without a good inside presence IMO.

Re: Let's talk about Miles Plumlee

With all this said, I'm not going to defend this pick, its done. I think its rare a guy is not very productive in College then becomes a really productive pro. I get the whole getting a role player/dirty work guy, but if this was an elite guy at doing those things, wouldn't it show more at the collegiate level. I need to go back and watch tape, maybe he does all those things that don't show up in the box score, maybe he does set crunching picks and gets every loose ball and play tough post defense. I really don't know, although I'm inclined to think, if he did, he'd play more than 20 mins a game for Coach K.

Maybe he is a late bloomer and becomes this, it seems like he has legit size and ability. Its just a ton of ifs.

I also get the Pacers aren't trying to build a team that won 12 games last year, they are trying to fill out a team that they want to continue to grow together with the existing core.

Lastly, I have no argument against the value of this pick, at all. It really seems like you could have gotten him later and picked up assets.

I take solice in this, if Orlando Johnson was picked at 26 and Plumlee at 36, I'd be okay with it. So there's that.

On to Free Agency.

Very good post.

Only problem I have with it is, how late can a person actually "bloom?" Dude is already going to be 24 years old as a rookie.