Transgender Man....gives birth to baby

All of science is based on what we know to a given point, based on studies, experiments, observations, etc. For you to try to make hay out of one
word that makes perfect sense in context is ... paltry.

So do you believe that it was a real man with man parts that had that baby?

I look forward to you dodging the question or telling me how complex its to answer

I believe that his gender identity is male and his anatomy, outside of treatment, reverts to biological sex. When he resumes hormonal treatment, his
body will start to move closer to his gender identity.

So do you believe that it was a real man with man parts that had that baby?

I look forward to you dodging the question or telling me how complex its to answer

I believe that his gender identity is male and his anatomy, outside of treatment, reverts to biological sex. When he resumes hormonal treatment, his
body will start to move closer to his gender identity.

That's what we call facts.

Well atleast you didn't completely dodge it, so props for that but man that was one hell of a BS politician answer, lol

So you agree He identified as a male, but in reality and physically she is a STILL a female.

no hormonal treatment will change her chromosomes or female internal anatomy and other things.

So do you believe that it was a real man with man parts that had that baby?

I look forward to you dodging the question or telling me how complex its to answer

I believe that his gender identity is male and his anatomy, outside of treatment, reverts to biological sex. When he resumes hormonal treatment, his
body will start to move closer to his gender identity.

That's what we call facts.

no hormonal treatment will change her chromosomes or female internal anatomy and other things.

No one is disputing that. We know there is consciousness and self awareness that comes from the brain, correct? Science is beginning to tell us how
gender identity is connected somehow to this self awareness. The gender identity will be female or male (or possibly some combination). Using a cat
analogy is poor form, as cat is not a possible human identity like male/female is.

Our awareness of self including our identity of what gender we are is a very important part of us as humans. Most of the time, the brain develops
exactly in tandem with the other physical parts of the body, thus, our DNA and anatomy is male, and we identify and are self aware as a male.

Occasionally, the self awareness part of the brain does not develop with the same gender identity as the other physical parts of the body. Though we
are still learning about it, it is believed that this is what may cause gender dysphoria.

It is not believed that this is a mental illness or delusion. Someday we'll find the specific part of the brain that contains gender identity, and
this condition will become much less of a mystery.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: interupt42
The subject of the thread's gender identity is male.

1. I didn't see any mention of gender identity being the specific topic of the thread and everything else of limits. That is you and a couple of other
people playing jiu jitsu word play when trying to avoid answering question or moving the target. What is "is"

I said "So you agree He identified as a male, but in reality and physically she is a STILL a female."

No, I didn't say anything like what you're saying, and I'm beginning to see that you're not dealing honestly.

So you think physically it was a male that got pregnant?

3. Identity:
Why is a person that identifies as a dog classified as mentally ill but not a transgender person until recent years? Not saying that transgender
should be classified as a mental disorder , but I do think its a fair question to ask if we are going to be honest about the subject.

They both truly believe they are what they identify with, but physically they are not.

Also how should doctors treat patients by their identify or physical original gender? I do see this being a lawsuit and liability in the making. Their
are medical procedures and diagnostics that are dependent on your true anatomy.

First Thank you for the well thought out post and not being defensive, angry or attacking.
This is something I have noticed from both sides of the fence on the subject.

Though we are still learning about it, it is believed that this is what may cause gender dysphoria.

It is not believed that this is a mental illness or delusion. Someday we'll find the specific part of the brain that contains gender identity, and
this condition will become much less of a mystery.

Absolutely agree.

I completely agree, still much to learn and we don't know all that is going on in the brain. My issue is with the people that automatically label
someone as phobic or intolerant because they don't completely agree that transgerdism might be a valid mental illness.

There is also valid concerns if its really a mental illness , is the best course of action to play along?

The question of differing gender identities all being "mental illness" is specious as has been pointed out.

Not all people with different gender identities have gender dysphoria.

APA has made it clear (a fact linked dozens of times) that gender dysphoria is not a mental illness in the sense that paranoid schizophrenia is, for
example, or even personality disorders like borderline, narcissistic, etc.

The treatment for gender dysphoria is a constellation of practices which include medical and psychiatric evaluations, hormone therapies and surgery.

The legal acknowledgement of gender identity is simply the matter of allowing people to be treated by the law in line with their identity.

All I can say is that the more studies that are done, the more the evidence is pointing away from it being mental illness, not towards it.

The fact is, when it was treated as a mental illness, the symptoms of dysphoria were not relieved at all, so there was a lot of suffering. When the
treatment changed to helping the person transition, the symptoms of the dysphoria were greatly relieved.
When the transgender person has the support of their family/friends, and are not discriminated against by the community, they usually go on to lead
happy, normal lives once they've transitioned. Isn't that a good thing?

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