ROETHLISBERGER PLAYED WITH BROKEN RIBS

Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2009, 10:22 AM EDT

Some in the media (including John Clayton of ESPN) openly scoffed at our Super Bowl-week report that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger secretly underwent an X-ray on his ribs/back.
The X-ray was related to an injury that Roethlisberger sustained during the AFC title game.
Roethlisberger initially wouldn’t comment on the situation, and coach Mike Tomlin responded to questions from AFC pool reporter Peter King about the matter with a vague “not that I heard.”
Apparently, Tomlin needs to get better sources within his team. Because, according to King’s latest MMQB column, Roethlisberger indeed had an X-ray on his ribs. (Big Ben admitted to NBC’s Andrea Kremer that he’d had an X-ray “somewhere.”)
King also reports that, as it turns out, two of the ribs were broken, as revealed not by the X-ray but by an MRI performed after the Super Bowl.
“Fractured ribs,” Roethlisberger told King. “Luckily, in the game, I didn’t take any big hits to make ’em hurt. But I knew all along there was something wrong. There wouldn’t have been anything they could have done about fractured ribs anyway. It was just suck it up and play.”
So what, if anything, will the league do about the fact that the Steelers lied about Roethlisberger’s injury status? Most likely, the league will do nothing; because Roethlisberger practiced the entire week before the game and played throughout it, the Steelers didn’t misrepresent his ultimate availability.
The deeper question, however, is whether the purpose of the injury-reporting rules is to disclose information affecting only potential availability to play, or also potential effectiveness while doing so. With Roethlisberger (as King reported during Super Bowl week) stretching his midsection at practice sessions, something wasn’t right.
And, as Roethlisberger pointed out, a “big hit” during the game could have caused a problem. So why wasn’t Roethlisberger ever disclosed as a full participant in practice, with the word “ribs” thereafter in parentheses?
That information, if it was possessed by folks who are inclined to wager money on the game, might have prompted them to take the Cardinals and the points. And that’s why the league needs to take this issue more seriously.
In our view, there’s a potential Tim Donaghy scandal lurking in the league’s 32 locker rooms. And we fear it’s only a matter of time before we learn that a team has been infiltrated by the mob, and that the thing got started because the mob knew that there was so much more information about player health to be had than what was making its way onto the official injury reports.

75 responses to “ROETHLISBERGER PLAYED WITH BROKEN RIBS”

If the Steelers knew it wasn’t going to affect his availability and performance in the game they were right to not report it. Like Roethlisberger needs anyone else taking cheap shots on him after playing Shaun Rogers and the Ravens 4 (5) times a year.
If that were brady taking that shot to the back after a throw in the AFCCG people would have been calling for suspensions and fines. Never mind that the guy didn’t even get flagged.

It is not that huge a deal. The fact is X Rays disclosed no injury. Many players play the playoffs with minor bruises. Not minimizing the pain, but Big Ben’;s injuries needed an MRI to find. If broken ribs were medically confirmed before the game or the injuries affected Big Ben’s play, then you can wonder.
Not an issue at all. This is a smaller issue than the puzzling broken toes story contradicted by Cowher in the first playoff run.

They literally don’t matter if you can be troubled to read. We all knew Roethlisberger wasn’t 100%. It’s the same with anything, and anyone who actually makes money on gambling (myself included) would usually take the time to read up before a game to check if there was a doubt.

@omegalh
Not true. While injury reports may be used by gamblers, they are not the only ones… What about Fantasy Football? And what about apposing teams? Don’t you think they use injury reports in planning for games?

“In our view, there’s a potential Tim Donaghy scandal lurking in the league’s 32 locker rooms.”
Given the “quality” of officiating the past two years, I would say the scandal is already under way. Quite a few games had the distinct feel of the point spread being manipulated by the officials. Mike Pereira will go down as the most willfully blind Head of Officials the NFL has ever had.

Mike, I know that you are really worried about the injury report situation as it relates to the NFL. Somehow, it’s just not as important to most anyone else. I say, just breathe…let it go until and unless you really have something…I admire your grit and determination on certain subjects that really make a difference in the game, but would Ben have saying more or the Steelers have putting Ben on the report as “probable” (since that situation is probably closest to the definition of probable) have really made a difference ??
I think not…

who cares?!?!!! who cares?!?!!! ill tell you who cares…My kids. I lost their college tuition because I couldn’t tell what part of Bens body was busted. I thought it might be his arm or spleen so I took the cards.
sonuvabitch!!!

my god Florio give it a rest.
Also how come you don’t take back ur usual stance on roethlisberger being a whiney bitch? because yet again you were wrong when it came to something involving the steelers. idiot.

The X-ray revealed no damage. There was a 100% chance that Roethlisberger was going to play in the game. He didn’t miss any practice in Superbowl week.
So, what exactly were the Steelers supposed to report. As Florio always loves to point out, the injury report is broken down into categories. Probable is 75% likely to play. Questionable is 50%. Doubtful is 25%. So if a guy is 100%, doesn’t miss any practice, why should he show up on the injury report?
I’m sure that one or two guys on the Cardinals were sore as well. Also, the injury didn’t effect his ability to play at all. He played one of his best games all year.
Hmm…now that this injury report “controversy” has pulled me in, maybe I’ll go ahead and click on that nice new Best Western ad on the left.

Florio, why do you believe coaches should even think about what the gamblers would do with injury information?
In my view, if a player is hurt but not injured, and practiced and played for the entire week, that player should not be on any injury report. Why should a coach care if the mob knows that the player is hurt? That shouldn’t be the coach’s concern…

Marking down a players effectiveness for a game will be a big problem.
I say if the ribs didn’t effect his status in the game or practice (whether he would be out or not) then leave it be its his business. If they would have said that he had sore ribs and put it on the injury report you might as well put a big red “X” on his mid section for the defenders to go at. You can’t just do that.
If he was out of practice for that and they put it on the Injury report then they will look out hits to the midsection because they put it out there.

@superfan99 . . . . .
actually, “probable” means that there’s a virtual certainty that the player will be available for normal duty. so, by implication, any player with a slight injury that nevertheless leaves him virtually certain to play should be listed as “probable.”
based on roethlisberger’s quote to king, it’s obvious that ben should have been listed as “probable.”

it matters… if a player (or a starting QB) who has 2 broken ribs isn’t listed on the injury report… then why bother to have an injury report?
Which makes Florio’s comments all the more relevant… The NFL and Las Vegas have a handshake contract over legalized gambling… starting QB’s with major injuries (Peyton’s knee, Ben’s ribs) not being listed on the weekly injury reports is a scandal waiting to blossom…

Unfortunately the NFL doesn’t make the definition of the injury report status easily available. I thought probable was 75%, but if I’ll take your word for it meaning a virtual “certainty.”
I think my point still stands. If Roethlisberger was a full participant at all practices and the X-Ray came back negative, there is still nothing to report.
I can guarantee, 100%, that Whisenthunt and company would not have changed their defensive game plan one bit had Roethlisberger been listed as probable instead of unlisted. Nor would any other coach in the league.
So what’s the issue here? Protect the gamblers?

“Roethlisberger loves the drama… ”
Yeah………he loves it so much he refused to discuss it before the Super Bowl when it would’ve generated the most publicity. *rolls eyes*
We’re looking forward to our two gaurunteed wins against your Bungles next year. No more Housh, you guys will be lucky to get to 4 wins.

Guess what, I am a Steeler fan… I love Ben as a QB, he is great. However, he is a huuuuge drama queen. Im not saying he does not have broken ribs, Im just saying that he loves that everyone will know about it now. Just like the broken toes a couple of years ago that NO ONE on the medical staff knew about and the 104 degree (no joke) fever he had during a game that NO ONE on the medical staff knew about and the “seconds from death” he had during the motorcycle to the face crash. The ol’ “thumbs up to the crowd”, not to mention (but I will) the shoulder injury this year that had everyone confused as hell because of his comments to the MNF crew.Not hate’n, just say’n…

Ha ha, the guy played through a REAL injury like a champ and still some idiot out there parrots the “drama queen” line — I love it!
Not only that, but he went out of his way to BURY a story the media dug up… unlike a certain Ravens’ LB who showed up all of a sudden wearing a sling at a press conference.
And yep, lichnor, the sound of haters IS the sound of victory!

Guys, you won the Super Bowl – relax. Florio’s point, and he has made it MANY, MANY times, is if ANY team (not JUST the Steelers) does not follow the League’s rules regarding injury reports, it opens the door to a gambling scandal. If you read PFT at all, you know he’s not “attacking” Ben. He has brought this up every time it has happened and he has pointed a finger at almost every team in the League. I’m a Giants fan and he correctly ripped the Giants for doing this when Jacobs was hurt. IT IS NOT AN ATTACK ON THE STEELERS! If ANY NFL team covers up any injury to it’s starters, you then have “inside” information that is of value to gamblers. Just like insider trading with stocks, it can involve huge amounts of money. That opens the door to a player and/or official or even a member of the team’s support staff going on the take. If the injury report is followed to the letter by EVERY team, then there is NO inside information of value to sell. Thus, the injury report is an attempt to keep the League clean. Whether it is enough, I doubt it. But it’s obvious that it will have no chance to succeed if most teams continue to bypass it. That’s the point.

That would explain the bogus “roughing the passer” penanty on Dansby.
Nice of the NFL/referees to take such good care of Big Ben.
Also explains how a guy who was sacked so much during the regular season and early playoff rounds, didn’t get hit in the Super Bowl. The refs did the game a great dishonor by not calling that game honestly

I’m blown away what you all don’t get about this, and why it’s a big deal. Tampering with the injury report is essentially the same as cooking the books. Specifically with the Steelers, the only team that somehow got away with the gambling connections for so long. If you have information regarding an injury that’s not publicly available, gambling on that information is essentially insider trading. There’s a lot of money involved, and a lot of people stand to win and lose a lot of money. Even if there’s no conspiracy at all, the league needs to take it seriously in order to avoid the appearance of a conspiracy. Specifically when the team involved already had the touchdown that wasn’t a touchdown that impacted the spread, and then this.

My sister works at University of South Florida in Tampa and said she saw Roethlisberger coming out of the Morsani Ambulatory Surgery center on the Campus of USF Health on both Monday and Thursday.
The Morsani ASC is like six months old, and has a state of the art imaging center (Xray, MRI) and of course the Steelers practiced at USF that week.
At first I did not believe her…now I do.

So much for ProFootballTalk calling out Ben as being a ‘Drama Queen’. Here’s a guy who DIDN’T make an excuse, plays with broken ribs, gets sacked more in the past 3 years than any other QB, and is called a drama queen by PFT. You guys sure nailed that story…

east96st,
I agree with you 100% on keeping the injury report clean. But my point is that PFT frequently “cries wolf” on this issue.
This latest story is no different. The PFT post claims the Steelers lied on the injury report.
The Steelers did not lie. Roethlisberger did not miss any portion of practice all week. The X-Ray came back negative. There was not any tangible evidence that Roethlisberger’s play would be limited or in any way effected by his ribs.
Furthermore, Roethlisberger’s play on the field proved that he was not in any way limited by the injury.
So again, what exactly is the story here?

See what happened was, Ben was meeting the V.P. of officiating, Piera, in a back alley with a bag full of money when he slipped on the ice and hurt his back. This put Piera, not to mention Ben, in an awkward position vis-a-vis the “injury”, so the whole thing was hushed up, the money was “distributed”, and the SB is history.
Seriously Florio…there are meds for OCD.

There were 53 guys on the Steelers that were hurt by the 18th game of the season. Everyone is sore by this point in the season. If the x-rays were negative, the team had no knowledge of an injury.
Even if they had known, I’d risk a slap on the wrist to avoid letting the opposition know the best way to take my most valuable player out of the biggest game of my coaching career.

Besides, didn’t you see Tony Soprano clean up big time with inside info on the Giant’s kicker. Right after he gave Christopher “the big sleep”. This broke a string of bad bets for Tony where even he had to borrow money and wasn’t making the “vig”. WOW, organized crime hasn’t yet discovered the NFL’s injury game, but a fictional NJ mob boss has? sheesh.

superfan99 says:
“Furthermore, Roethlisberger’s play on the field proved that he was not in any way limited by the injury.
So again, what exactly is the story here?”
The story is that the Steelers, as well as many other teams, did not follow the rules regarding injury reports. Yes, he played well. Having had broken ribs myself, I am amazed at how well he did play. Broken ribs hurt every time you breathe. For him to play at that level is amazing. Was it a minor infraction? Yes. But if minor infractions continue to be ignored, then how can the league possibly keep the injury report clean? Again, this is NOT a knock against the Steelers, Ben, or in any way taints the victory. It is a league wide problem that needs to addressed.

If all you guys claiming that “the x-ray showed no damage, so what was there to report?” or that “the x-ray showed no damage, so the team had no knowledge of an injury” are as smart as you think you are, then you can explain why 10 days before the Superbowl Roethlisberger was LISTED ON THE INJURY REPORT with a BACK INJURY. Oh, and he didn’t even practice either, because of this back injury. 2 days later he’s still listed as probable on the injury report with, again, a back injury. 5 days later he gets his x-ray done.
Surely you can’t be injured unless an x-ray tells you that you are. Yet he was before he got the x-ray…
Don’t be clowns.
Roethlisberger – “Luckily, in the game, I didn’t take any big hits to make ’em hurt. But I knew all along there was something wrong.”

Gotta love all these idiot Squeeler fans, most of whom I bet aren’t from Shittsburgh nor have ever been there, yet just purchase their yearly bandwagon ticket. Gotta love ’em defending the most overrated, pansy ass QB in recent memory.
“WAHHHHHHHH, he’s not overrated. WAHHHHHHHH, he is tough. WAHHHHHH, you’re just jealous.”
Morons…

“BaltimoreSports says”…”Shittsburgh”
Gotta love it…children are so precocious. Now do your homework like mommy says. And don’t let her see that post or there’s a bar of soap waiting. Can you count all the way to SIX yet?

Roethlisberger is so fake, always coming up with BS injuries to make himself look special. he had this whole X-ray thing set up so if he had lost, he could just say he was hurt….you know, like Brady was but didn’t complain about after the SB against the Giants.

HGH is tasty says:
“Gotta love it…children are so precocious. Now do your homework like mommy says. And don’t let her see that post or there’s a bar of soap waiting. Can you count all the way to SIX yet?”
No, but I can count to four. Oh, and I know how to draw the number ‘2’ with an asterisk next to it. And yes, your mother is very good at disciplining me for being a “bad” boy. Thanks for asking.

BaltimoreSports says:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Gotta love all these idiot Squeeler fans, most of whom I bet aren’t from Shittsburgh nor have ever been there, yet just purchase their yearly bandwagon ticket. Gotta love ‘em defending the most overrated, pansy ass QB in recent memory.
“WAHHHHHHHH, he’s not overrated. WAHHHHHHHH, he is tough. WAHHHHHH, you’re just jealous.”
Morons…
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Evidently you are quite jealous. That over rated quarterback produced 3 wins over your team this year and 2 Super Bowls in 4 years. Can you just work a little ref action in as well and go for it all?
I can speak to being a Steeler fan looooong before your first love up and left you in the dead of night and you wooed the Browns to town. Speaking of bandwagon, are you still a Colts fan?
On a seperate note, do you remember the cheap shot from your team that broke his ribs? I do. I think you do as well which is why you feel the need to throw this garbage out there.

mrmagoo says:
“Evidently you are quite jealous. That over rated quarterback produced 3 wins over your team this year and 2 Super Bowls in 4 years. Can you just work a little ref action in as well and go for it all?
I can speak to being a Steeler fan looooong before your first love up and left you in the dead of night and you wooed the Browns to town. Speaking of bandwagon, are you still a Colts fan?
On a seperate note, do you remember the cheap shot from your team that broke his ribs? I do. I think you do as well which is why you feel the need to throw this garbage out there.”
It is nice to see you think and act as your screen name suggests. Considering I was not alive when the Colts left town, we throw that dumb statement by you out the window. As for cheap shots, we don’t really have to get into what #86 on your team is infamous for, do we? Or #92? Nah, that would be a huuuuuuge waste of time.

Whoa whoa whoa, Baltimore fans — we haven’t addressed HOW the injury happened:
Here’s a snippet from the Peter King piece–
“Regarding the celebrated ribs: Roethlisberger was speared in the kidney area in the AFC Championship Game.”
Tsk tsk tsk. Go hide in shame, Baltimorons. By the way, did we hear a peep from Ben after that game, about the cheap shot? And where was the flag, conspiracy theorists who are always whining about the refs being on the Steelers’ side?
Meanwhile, you have the guy who just led the greatest come-from-behind drive in Super Bowl history, and morons who are dumb enough to say crap like this:
BaltimoreSports says:
February 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Gotta love all these idiot Squeeler fans, most of whom I bet aren’t from Shittsburgh nor have ever been there, yet just purchase their yearly bandwagon ticket. Gotta love ‘em defending the most overrated, pansy ass QB in recent memory.
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Let’s see, QB leads greatest Bowl driver ever with broken ribs to boot — yeah, “overrated” and “pansy” are EXACTLY the words I’d use to describe a guy like that!
There really oughta be some kind of IQ test given to people before they can post here.

Frank Burns says:
“Let’s see, QB leads greatest Bowl driver ever with broken ribs to boot — yeah, “overrated” and “pansy” are EXACTLY the words I’d use to describe a guy like that!
There really oughta be some kind of IQ test given to people before they can post here”
Ahhh, straight from the bandwagon leader himself. Greatest drive ever? What other moron is saying that? And let’s see, this “drive” was against the Cardinals’ defense…a team that just fired its defensive coordinator. You’re right…very special indeed.

BaltimoreSports says:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
mrmagoo says:
“Evidently you are quite jealous. That over rated quarterback produced 3 wins over your team this year and 2 Super Bowls in 4 years. Can you just work a little ref action in as well and go for it all?
I can speak to being a Steeler fan looooong before your first love up and left you in the dead of night and you wooed the Browns to town. Speaking of bandwagon, are you still a Colts fan?
On a seperate note, do you remember the cheap shot from your team that broke his ribs? I do. I think you do as well which is why you feel the need to throw this garbage out there.”
It is nice to see you think and act as your screen name suggests. Considering I was not alive when the Colts left town, we throw that dumb statement by you out the window. As for cheap shots, we don’t really have to get into what #86 on your team is infamous for, do we? Or #92? Nah, that would be a huuuuuuge waste of time.
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# 86 is famous for making your tough guys cry like little girls, not cheap shots. Dumb statement, it found out exactly what I need to know. When you reach puberty check back and maybe you’ll have outgrown that Baltimore inferiority complex though I think you should hang on to it. You guys earn it every day.

Three things make this site worthwhile…
The dumb sh*t baltimoresports writes
The dumb sh*t ravenmaniac writes
The dumb sh*t Vox Veritas writes
Heeeey…those three are awful, um, well awful, but, similar in their rantings and very entertaining. Sore losers being fun and all.

mrmagoo says:
“# 86 is famous for making your tough guys cry like little girls, not cheap shots. Dumb statement, it found out exactly what I need to know. When you reach puberty check back and maybe you’ll have outgrown that Baltimore inferiority complex though I think you should hang on to it. You guys earn it every day.”
I guess I would say something like that too, MAGOO, if I was proven wrong by a younger guy like me. And it would be a huuuuuge waste of time to talk about crying like little girls seeing that is what happens every time your pansy ass QB opens his mouth. If only Ward would throw one of his unnecessary head first blocks into Big Jen at a team practice…now THAT would be awesome!!

BS. He didn’t have broken ribs. The Stealers even say they didn’t know about it. Wake up Stealer fans. Every time this guy has an injury the team doesn’t know about it. It’s called “pure fabrication” by Little Jen. It’s sad that he doesn’t think that winning two Super Bowls is enough and he is still so insecure.

BaltimoreSports says:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
mrmagoo says:
“# 86 is famous for making your tough guys cry like little girls, not cheap shots. Dumb statement, it found out exactly what I need to know. When you reach puberty check back and maybe you’ll have outgrown that Baltimore inferiority complex though I think you should hang on to it. You guys earn it every day.”
I guess I would say something like that too, MAGOO, if I was proven wrong by a younger guy like me. And it would be a huuuuuge waste of time to talk about crying like little girls seeing that is what happens every time your pansy ass QB opens his mouth. If only Ward would throw one of his unnecessary head first blocks into Big Jen at a team practice…now THAT would be awesome!!
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Exactly what did you prove there, tiger? Unnecessary blocks? I thought the quarterbacks wore red shirts in practice, not your defense in games. If he’s such a pansy why can’t your guys beat him?
Pansies play linebacker and cry like a baby when they’re hit by a big, bad wide receiver.

So I noticed only one other poster brought this up, everybody else seemed to just pass it over and continue to hate on BR and the Steelers, but why is this story focusing on BR playing with fractured ribs?(which did not show up in the x-ray he had done, it only showed up on the MRI he had done after the SB, they are two different tests and fractures can be missed on x-rays) Not one mention of Fitzgerald playing with a broken left thumb and torn cartilage in his left hand, and he was never listed on the injury report either. I guess that was just a made up story as well to either make him look like Superman if he played well or as an excuse if he did not.
Love the cherry picking.

The real story is why does Big Ben have this tendency to be contradicted by coaches(first Cowher, now Tomlin hardly the same type of coach) on playoff injuries? Now ESPN has a report stating that the Steelers organization deny any knowledge of this injury implying that they are not even aware of the MRI taken later.
If profootballtalk really wants to backup its status as RumorMill central, it will try to figure out why Ben seems to appear as a chronic liar(I remember when he said he called Holmes a few times in the offseason only to be contradicted by Holmes). It should not be that tough to track this story. Did an MRI happen or not? Why wouldn’t the Steelers know this about their 100M QB?
Big Ben is one of the most underrated QBs in the league and without him the Steelers do not get to either SB(yes, check his play in the playoffs prior to SB XL). But the guy does SEEM to spin tales.

SteelerGal, wow. I didn’t hear that about Fitzgerald until you said it. That must be because he wasn’t going around telling the media about it, like some QB who got an xray somewhere, which got even more attention when the coach denied any knowledge of that happening.
Anyways, there are a couple of things about his injury which have to be taken into consideration:
1) Did anyone besides him know about it?
2) If Fitzgerald didn’t tell anyone about it, then there is really nothing that can be done.
3) If the Cardinals knew about it, then Ken Wisenhunt needs to be seriously drilled about this issue. An easy to way to know if they knew about it is if he was ever on any injury report for some type of hand injury. I wasn’t able to find any mention of it anywhere leading up to the Superbowl.
But,
seems like in Week 10 he had limited practice participation because of a thumb injury. It’s possible that his thumb got better, and then he reaggravated it and decided not to tell anyone. If that’s the case then nothing can be done about that. On the other hand, if his thumb never got better, and stayed the same or became worse throughout the season, then Wisenhunt flatout broke the rules. If the latter was accurate, which seems likely, then Florio needs to write an article about it and start some shit.
Florio, SteelerGal is right. Drill everyone, or drill no one.

Ravenmaniac says:
February 10th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Frank…Frank…Frank…I said actually been at a game. Many of us have watched the Superbowl on TV (some of us were ctually in Tampa when the Ravens won)…that was not my question….
Your question is a good one…would I apologize? I do not believe I would even if the MRI comes out that it was broken ribs (although I doubt it). To me the point is…why did he mention it at all if it did not impact the game? Obviously, Holmes was getting way too much attention and Ben wanted some of the love.
Suggs may have been playing up his injury, but trust me it was not from a Diva-like jealousy standpoint like Jen. Look at me…look at me…
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Moronic, moronic, moronic — I said I was AT the Super Bowl. As in, inside Raymond James Stadium (aka Heinz Field South). I know that such a thing is a bit hard to fathom for someone of your pay grade, but I… was… at… the… game… in… person.
And I can assure you, I’ve been to more Steeler games, both in Pittsburgh and away, than you have teeth (OK, bad example, but it’s a lot).
Now then — I think all you haters need to revisit this little quote from above: “Roethlisberger initially wouldn’t comment on the situation.” Yeah, there’s a guy who’s just DYING to get the word out on his injuries, huh? The fact is, this info came out not because of some wacky “I need attention ‘cuz Holmes is getting it” motive but because he was prodded by the press again.
And finally, we have this chowdhead comment:
Henry Plainview says:
February 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Roethlisberger is so fake, always coming up with BS injuries to make himself look special. he had this whole X-ray thing set up so if he had lost, he could just say he was hurt….you know, like Brady was but didn’t complain about after the SB against the Giants.
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Henry, this one’s for you:http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/NY_NYP-1-22.jpg