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At the beginning of her message, Aleksandra was explaining some of the changes that have occured in the Croatian language that differentiate it from modern literary Serbian. Phrases utilizing "da+present tense" of a verb to indicate an infinitive are avoided as "Serbisms." Certain words are likewise avoided as Serbisms as well (tisuća/hiljada, hleb/kruh, bližnica/komšija, sretan/srećan.) Finally, there are spelling and pronunciation differences between literary Serbian and literary Croatian. The former is based on "ekavian" dialect and the latter "ijekavian." For example, "river" in Serbian is "reka" but "rijeka" in Croatian (other examples: "milk"- mleka/mlijeka, "time" vreme/vrijeme, "where"- gde/gdje).

Everyday folk though(unless they are really politically conscious) speak in the manner of the region they were brought up in, regardless of their ethnic background. For example, Serbs from Krajina (the mountainous region bordering Bosnia-Hercegovina in Croatia) speak primarily "ijekavian," so do the Serbs from Bosnia until one gets closer to Serbia proper. In Vojvodina (North Serbia), and Slavonija (eastern Croatia), Croatians (like some of my family) would use some "ekavian" words and constructions.

One should aslo mention the other dialects that did not really play a part in the formation of modern Serbian and Croatian. There is a third dialect found along the coast, "ikavian/čakavian" that is spoken by both Serbs and Croats (words are written with an "i"- "Vrime," "Gdi", "Mlika"). It is also found to a certain extent among Catholic Bunjevac communities in Vojvodina (refugess from the Turks who settled there hundreds of years ago).Around Zagreb, there is found the "kajkavian" dialect (which I have a hard time understanding- it sounds like Slovenian to me), and in the south of Serbia there is the "Torlakian" which has affinities with neighboring Bulgarian and Macedonian dialects.

That's probably more than you wanted to know, so I apologize for the long-winded digression.

That's just going straight over my head. I can understand what you are saying, but when you throw in the Croatian or Serbian examples, I draw a blank. But that is probably because I really can't speak the language with understanding (but, like I said, I probably could physically pronounce the words).

Maybe I should stick with Italian and Latin.

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Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be. The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though. Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended. I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad.

Sorry for perhaps making it a bit more confusing than it should be. The differences between the two dialects (I'm a "Serbo-Croatian" partisan, despite this now being politically incorrect) are minimal and are hard to explain without some knowledge of the language.

Please don't give up on, though. Croatian (despite what you might be thinking right now) is one of the easier Slavic languages. Try out the books that Nektarios recommended. I didn't really start learning until I was a teenager (my grandparents sadly enforced "English only" with my mom) and I also took a couple of courses during my undergrad.

Brother Coder ; i asked he never heard or see one divine mercy icona ..if it's not written by a orthodox it's not considered a true icon ... true icona's are from orthodox monasterys we can be sure of,,,any thing else is questionable....stashko.......

Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:

The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina

A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

But, thanks for the information.

God Bless.

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Hello,Thanks. I'm not surprised that he never heard of it, as it is uncommon. The most common form would be one of these two:

The original painted under the direction of Saint Faustina

A later variant based on another painting of Christ

But these appear more like Western Sacred Art than Byzantine Iconography (though technically, from a Catholic perspective, they might be icons). As for the other about written by an Orthodox or else questionable, I would venture this stems from the idea of outside the Church.

Brother;He said that there is lot's of prayer and fasting involved and meditation ,,a icon can take a year or more to write plus theologicaly correct,,,there not mass produced ,,these are the authentic ones with the real gold leaf backgrounds,,thats why there real expensive. if one was to purchase one ...stashko...................

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.

God Bless.

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Pray that we may be one, as Christ and His Father are one. (John 17:20ff)

Also, I don't know all that much about the origins of the icon I use as my avatar. I don't know the preparation that went into it or by whom. It was probably written by a Catholic, but it could have been done by an Orthodox - I just don't know.

God Bless.

Brother how do you post links from other forum subjects ,,i don't know how to do it..if you have time write me some simple instuctions also how to post web links ,,,,stashko

It's easy for you,,i speak serbian street level thats it ...lot's of words go over my head it's not that easy ...i have bosnian and serbian music in some of them i hear words galeb.and.becar..i ment to ask the croatians or serbs what they mean ,,every time i see them i forget to ask ...stashko... stanislav <a

Hi Stashko!

I'm by no means fluent. My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history. If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull". "Becar" is harder to define. Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard."

I'm by no means fluent. My vocabulary is good for conversations about church, music and art history. If you want to talk about cooking, tv shows or sports, I'd probably have to go find a dictionary.

I wasn't sure what "galeb" was...it's apparently the word for "seagull". "Becar" is harder to define. Technically it's "bachelor," but is usually used in the sense of "someone who likes a good time, who drinks hard and plays hard."

Фала брате ...ста је лола исто као бечар...Thank you brother what about the word lola same as becar i think one means a bad boy doesn't it stashko

Gypsies! I thought their entire ethnic group was completely destroyed in the WWII concentration camps.

Brother;No not entirely there still around ,,some migrated or excaped to other countrys during the war ,,some came back after the war,,,there's alot or gypsies here in the u.s.a. serbian ,bosnian ,romainian ,hungarians,,there very good in playing music in ethnic nightclubs from other countrys..there music is good ,,i perfer bosnian music ,some of it has the turkish influence .......stashko

Interesting. For secular music from Europe, I like the Italian folk music.

Brother;The italian music is good also the opera's ,,every country in the world has beautiful things to offer the people from food,art ,and other things....heres some bosnian links croatian and gypsie from around the world ...stashkowww.balkan-muzika.net

Brother coder ..all i did was highlite what i needed press ctrl +c then ctrl +v and it appeares magically in my post then i press send ...brother stashko,,, above post are my favorite radio stations are san radio.,,bosanac radio... cool bosna.....bosanka radio....two others not listed above are zemlotrese[earthquake] and drina radio...enjoy once you go to there home page all i do is right click on the radio link and save it as is to the desk top and play it from there....stashko