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Re: Orihime and Chad: quincy?

In the light of recent revelations, can it be said that orihime and chad are having sort of quincy powers?

During chads training with uruhara, he realised that the source was not shinigami powers but something else, but was not revealed what.

Further, uryu had noticed that ichigo was leaking riatsu heavily and his close friends were influenced by it, and maybe unknowingly uryu was influenced as well.

It is for this reason that uryu has been given the letter A. He has absorbed some of ichigos riatsu. Which can allow him to play juha's role in the future.

What? no. Sado is clearly a fullbringer, his powers originate from hollow. remember, he "felt home" when he went to Hueco Mundo.
Uryuu was given the letter A, because he survived Buckbeard's Auswählen way before he met Ichigo.
Trollzen-Kun said Orihime got her powers from Hogyoku just like Sado, but Trollzen-Kun isn't a trustworthy fellow, so the way she got her powers remain kind of unexplained.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Both Chad and Orihime are Fullbringers. Fullbring power tend to be hax. Orihime's power comes from her hairpins, that she got from her brother and didn't part with them ever since his death. Fits the bill. Fullbringers use objects that are important to them. Only Chad is a strange case. But he uses FB techniques and he said he was proud of his "skin", but his necklace from his grandpa would suit FB idea more. -.-

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Chad cannot be any means quincy on any degree unless he was also everything else. As a fullbringer chad would be a sort of hybrid between human and hollow after all. You cannot add quincy to the mix without adding also shinigami or risking soul suicide. More so, the chapter where urahara said that chad's power were unlike shinigami and quincy did heavily imply his powers were like a hollow's. More so, chad did explicitely say his powers were essentially hollow based when he fought gantenbaine.

As for orihime, well, her powers seem to be a thing on their own. Human souls have not yet shown "human" powers per say... Who knows what kanonji is. Chad is part hollow, and the rest of the gang can merely see spirits. Anyways, her powers seem to be alive and to come from within her to some degree which suggest shinigami. However her pin was a real object which kinda seems similar to fullbring. Nothing about her really suggests quincy though. Who knows if it was the orb that advanced her pins to resemble zampakuto or whether she had to begin with something else going on.

Now, I do find the idea of ichigo having the same ability as juhabach interesting. It was said he did influence his friends so him giving them a piece of his soul kinda would make sense. My only issue with that would be that ichigo would actually have multiple unique abilities which is kind of a weird idea altogether. Ichigo having super speed and GT is a weird enough case as far as abilities go, it would be kinda weird that he has more abilities on top of that. Or perhaps speed and GT were things he got from his parents through an ability similar to juhabach's and his actual ability is the soul sharing thing. It would have strengthen chad enough to use his fullbringer and it would have strengthen orihime's ability enough to function as a zampakuto. And perhaps it explains to some degree why those 3 shinigami were taken to the royal palace. Rukia, renji and rukia are basically the shinigami to whom ichigo has the closest relationship with. All of them have fought and perhaps the case can be made that by wounding ichigo they got a piece of him. Ikkaku fought ichigo although he never actually wounded him. Kenpachi would be in a similar boat but giving him more power on top of the asinine amounts he already would be by definition stupid. So those 3, being exceptionally close to ichigo, made it so that they could benefit absurdly from the royal training. Of course the orb itself could have also played a part in all of this. And it would perhaps explain why ishida had something that surpassed juhabach. It was a bit of ichigo's soul that protected ishida from the selection. Perhaps by giving ishida the letter A, juhabach's letter, even his own ability perhaps, he made it so that he could overpower the bit of ichigo's soul within ishida and could get a piece of ichigo.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Originally Posted by kkck

Chad cannot be any means quincy on any degree unless he was also everything else. As a fullbringer chad would be a sort of hybrid between human and hollow after all. You cannot add quincy to the mix without adding also shinigami or risking soul suicide. More so, the chapter where urahara said that chad's power were unlike shinigami and quincy did heavily imply his powers were like a hollow's. More so, chad did explicitely say his powers were essentially hollow based when he fought gantenbaine.

As for orihime, well, her powers seem to be a thing on their own. Human souls have not yet shown "human" powers per say... Who knows what kanonji is. Chad is part hollow, and the rest of the gang can merely see spirits. Anyways, her powers seem to be alive and to come from within her to some degree which suggest shinigami. However her pin was a real object which kinda seems similar to fullbring. Nothing about her really suggests quincy though. Who knows if it was the orb that advanced her pins to resemble zampakuto or whether she had to begin with something else going on.

Now, I do find the idea of ichigo having the same ability as juhabach interesting. It was said he did influence his friends so him giving them a piece of his soul kinda would make sense. My only issue with that would be that ichigo would actually have multiple unique abilities which is kind of a weird idea altogether. Ichigo having super speed and GT is a weird enough case as far as abilities go, it would be kinda weird that he has more abilities on top of that. Or perhaps speed and GT were things he got from his parents through an ability similar to juhabach's and his actual ability is the soul sharing thing. It would have strengthen chad enough to use his fullbringer and it would have strengthen orihime's ability enough to function as a zampakuto. And perhaps it explains to some degree why those 3 shinigami were taken to the royal palace. Rukia, renji and rukia are basically the shinigami to whom ichigo has the closest relationship with. All of them have fought and perhaps the case can be made that by wounding ichigo they got a piece of him. Ikkaku fought ichigo although he never actually wounded him. Kenpachi would be in a similar boat but giving him more power on top of the asinine amounts he already would be by definition stupid. So those 3, being exceptionally close to ichigo, made it so that they could benefit absurdly from the royal training. Of course the orb itself could have also played a part in all of this. And it would perhaps explain why ishida had something that surpassed juhabach. It was a bit of ichigo's soul that protected ishida from the selection. Perhaps by giving ishida the letter A, juhabach's letter, even his own ability perhaps, he made it so that he could overpower the bit of ichigo's soul within ishida and could get a piece of ichigo.

my theory is based on the fact that juha shared his piece of sould with anyone who touched him initially. Ichigo was able to influence people around him due to his reatsu leaking around. I wouldnt be surprised that uruhara just happened to know that orihime and chad can awaken powers. Plus he has sent them for special training. Uruhara is friends with ishida's father, and I wont be surprised if he is involved in hueco mundo as well.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Uryu got the A letter because Yhwach felt like it... although Haschwalth suspects Yhwach is plotting something towards Uryu. It has nothing to do with Ichigo's reiatsu.

Originally Posted by Duniak

Both Chad and Orihime are Fullbringers. Fullbring power tend to be hax. Orihime's power comes from her hairpins, that she got from her brother and didn't part with them ever since his death. Fits the bill. Fullbringers use objects that are important to them. Only Chad is a strange case. But he uses FB techniques and he said he was proud of his "skin", but his necklace from his grandpa would suit FB idea more. -.-

Why would Chad be proud of his abuelo's necklace, if he was taught to be proud of the way he was born? The coin is just a memento. Besides, skin is a better medium for a Fullbring cause it's a lot more difficult to lose or destroy. (Okay maybe not really, but you get the idea)

Also, I have a theory that Orihime is a special kind of Fullbringer: instead of Hollow reiatsu, her mother absorbed a Shinigami's.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Originally Posted by Zeta42

Uryu got the A letter because Yhwach felt like it... although Haschwalth suspects Yhwach is plotting something towards Uryu. It has nothing to do with Ichigo's reiatsu.

Why would Chad be proud of his abuelo's necklace, if he was taught to be proud of the way he was born? The coin is just a memento. Besides, skin is a better medium for a Fullbring cause it's a lot more difficult to lose or destroy. (Okay maybe not really, but you get the idea)

Also, I have a theory that Orihime is a special kind of Fullbringer: instead of Hollow reiatsu, her mother absorbed a Shinigami's.

Abuelo taught him about his strength and how to use it. Orihime was also taught few things, was given hairpins and they're her strength. Fullbringer powers don't come from pride. Only Chad's and Ichigo's power were similar. FB powers come from attachment to a certain object. And I think he was pretty deeply attached to it, to the point he preferred to die than to lose it.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

We have not been told how quincy select manufest their powers, as much we know they can use various items/person to manifest and use them.

I wouldnt be surprised to know that both orihime and chad got affected by ichigo and have received some quincy powers in them. It is further strengthened by the fact that Uruhara identified both these candidates, that guy just knows too much.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Originally Posted by nitsthegame

We have not been told how quincy select manufest their powers, as much we know they can use various items/person to manifest and use them.

I wouldnt be surprised to know that both orihime and chad got affected by ichigo and have received some quincy powers in them. It is further strengthened by the fact that Uruhara identified both these candidates, that guy just knows too much.

I am not sure what that means. CHad having quincy powers would still imply he has all the other types of powers to some extent. Fullbring is a hollow originated power, the manga has more than conclusively proved that through the years. If he had a quincy part to him then he would also need to have shinigami considering his hollow powers would effectively cause his soul to erode away, as was the case with masaki. Being a fullbringer chad at most has human and hollow as far as his soul goes. Add another type of soul and you would invariably need the last one to balance it out.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

In the light of recent revelations, can it be said that orihime and chad are having sort of quincy powers?

During chads training with uruhara, he realised that the source was not shinigami powers but something else, but was not revealed what.

Further, uryu had noticed that ichigo was leaking riatsu heavily and his close friends were influenced by it, and maybe unknowingly uryu was influenced as well.

It is for this reason that uryu has been given the letter A. He has absorbed some of ichigos riatsu. Which can allow him to play juha's role in the future.

I think you missed the strong, almost undeniable hint that Chad is actually a FullBringer, as evidenced by him being accepted in XCution. Orihime is likely to be the same, as her manifestation target is her hairpin.

However, I strongly believe that Yhwach may actually be a highly-evolved FullBringer, whose manifestation target is those he has turned into Quincies. Here's some interesting points that support that theory;

Yhwach was born without any senses and an inability to move; perhaps the reason for this is that his mother was attacked by a Hollow whilst she was pregnant, also injuring her unborn baby.

Being unable to sense anything, perhaps the only thing he knew apart from himself was other people (as he would have been able to hear their voices whilst in the womb before he was injured by the Hollow); this could be why they became the object of his manifestation.

Every Quincy has the ability to manipulate spirit particles, which is similar to a FullBringer being able to manipulate the "soul" of an object (which is likely to also be composed of spirit particles).

Yhwach has a set of "epithet" powers that he can pass on to others; this sounds similar to how Kugo took Ichigo's FullBring powers and distributed them to the XCution members.

Of course, if this is the case, Yhwach's FullBring powers are more complex than others due to the fact that he manipulates the souls of living beings rather than inanimate objects. This could be why there are apparent differences between his powers and theirs.

Last edited by Lee.J.Baxter; February 20, 2014 at 05:14 PM.

Predictions

Just as Quincies are evolved beings born from Humans, Shinigami are evolved beings born from Hollows.

Once Yhwach dies, Ichigo's Quincy powers will disappear and his soul will become unstable, causing the onset of Soul Suicide.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

dunno, to me the differences between what juhabach does and what fullbringers do seem are pretty significant. Juhabach puts a piece of his soul into others and that piece is supposed to grow stronger through the person it strengthens and then return. However juhabach does not actually manipulate the quincy in question, at least not in a way relevant to fullbring. In turn fullbringers do directly manipulate the souls of things. There are some vague similarities however I don't think that implies a connection between fullbring and quincy. And then there is the issue that a fullbringer should be completely incompatible with a quincy. Fullbring comes from hollow powers, in other words a quincy's soul would be at risk from a fullbringer. I would find it strange that quincy evolved directly from something which should be poison to them and cause them to erode away. In any case, a quincy should be as much an enemy to a fullbringer as he would be to a hollow.

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

Seems that confusion can come from the fact that even if Hollows and Quincies are incompatible, their powers work similarly: both are centered around strengthening by absorption (in Hollows' case, it gets extreme with eating souls), as opposite to Shinigami, whose power comes exclusively from within.

No, the manga has not given us any evidence or even hints that Fullbring could be Quincy-related. It's Hollow-related, but that does not mean shared origins with Quincies - except possibly by some sort of progenitor of powers (if there is one).

Re: Orihime and Chad: Quincy?

I will try to re-elaborate:

There exist a possibility that Chad, Orihime and Ishida, all received a part of Ichigo's reatsu in a similar way back used to share his soul. Therefore, they all might originally be fullbringer/quincy but have been modified by ichigo's reatsu.