Let it go... You had your moment. You sound damn near jealous over an internet forum. Are you mad people aren't showing you any love? You're coming off real lame like. You say you're playing D2 now. Congrats for taking that step up. Drop the non-sense though. You shouldn't even have time to be on here b*tching and complaining about internet forum non-sense. Go get in the gym.

^Thank you, who you guys got in the West? OKC is spilling, in the middle of a 5 point lead agianst Phoenix, but I think that they'll bounce back, the problem I have is that they're a jumpshooting team, I'd like to see Durant in the post a bit more, even if it be the high post, because we all know he can drill the midrange jumper and has the moves to get an open shot, and would be lethal at the foul line extended not only as a scorer but as a distributor, a part of his game that has improved imensly.I'd also like to see Westbrook play a sort of D-Wade like styled post game, but that is very difficult to develop. I'd love for him to develop a Melo type game in the high post, and Westbrook just needs those shots to fall, and they should be in good shape. I really love the Spurs, good old fashioned ball, they have so many guys that can give them double digits, and the way Parker toyed wiht the Lakers, I mean I don't think the Lakers could beat the Spurs in aplayoff series unless Kobe can shoot 50% from the field and drop 35 almost every single night. I like the Spurs to give the THunder a run for their money. Ooooh, Westbrook just hit that nasty turnaround, even if it was on Steve Nash lol.

Funny you call me a weird person being that you are the one who claimed you played D1 BBall when you didn't, that you dunked on Patrick O'Bryant, and that you know Eric Gordon on an internet forum to sound cool and credible. Little Man Syndrome? 40 year old virgin?

I always find it so funny when aamir tries to difuse a situation by talking ball. Yo. There's a time and a place. The time is almost any other time, the place is on a ON topic section. I get that this is an internet forum and if you're taking things personally, its like come on man, its some dude furiously typing in front of his computer screen. F*ck it. But I mean really, just let it play out. The people who call others out on something and the other person has facts to back it up (Spidey), why don't you believe them? lol its like your hellbent on trying to maintain your argument. I mean I know ya'll have pride and an ego but like accept your losses and walk away.

I was hoping it wouldn't result to this situation, but it we must and none of you are willing to back down, you guys should Skype or Google+ this through. Since none of you won't back down showing your face and talking about this through won't bother any of you guys. Although this thread is pretty funny.

The people who call others out on something and the other person has facts to back it up (Spidey), why don't you believe them? lol its like your hellbent on trying to maintain your argument. I mean I know ya'll have pride and an ego but like accept your losses and walk away.

Are you talking about me or chill? There is no facts in chill's argument. This isnt even an argument. An argument would be if we didnt agree on something and then debated about it. This was just Johnny Chill being an a$$hole and a jerk to more people than just me, and then I called him out on it.

No, we dislike Boy Wonder because he dug into Indiana Ball's personal life, and I believe that there is a limit to this sort of stuff.

Sorry to do this, but I have to point out how ridiculously hypocritical that statement is. You were the one who looked up BoyWonder's JUCO profile in the first place, which led to the "sh*t JUCO" comment, which led to Boywonder wanting to know about Indiana Basketball's college career. This "digging into his personal life" thing just seemed untrue.

As soon as you put him out there and someone commented on it, how does he not have the right to at least ask what makes that person any better or check on what they did that was any better than what he did? I agree that it could have been handled better by Boywonder, but I think you are missing the part you had in this whole ordeal between these two posters. Made for some interesting material, but to preach limits when the guy only wanted the same thing you found about him seems incredibly hypocritical.

Once again and not surprisingly, I think you're really off... I don't think Aamir is being hypocritical at all.

Aamir didn't "dig" into Boywonder's JUCO profile. Boywonder posted his own information on his NBADRAFT.net profile for everyone to see. All you have to do is click his name. Aamir didn't take a general post from years ago, try to put "two and two" together and come to conclusions without any real facts or any information. Aamir didn't question Boywonder's credibility over things he never claimed he'd done.

Feeling is absolutely mutual, I do not get you either. Was it so hard to state your circumstances? It is your right to say that his JUCO sucks and his right to know what gives you the right to say that. I know he started it with you, but you could have ended it quickly. Instead, you went on this whole thing about him stalking you.

Yes, I get that you do not want people delving into your personal life on the internet. The fact is, you put stuff out there as well. He wanted to know your stats. If you did not have any, all you had to say was "I was hurt and I worked as a trainer". He could say anything he wanted to after that and it would mean nothing. Like he has since the guy finally told your story for you, which you were cool with, apparently.

Aamir did not do everything Boywonder did, but his actions parrallel everything that started this whole mess. Man, you obviously feel you were completely in the right for everything you said and I know you never fully claimed many of the things he brought up. Just do not know why you could not have told your story sooner rather than constantly thinking everyone was attacking you and digging into your personal life. We just wanted to know the same stats Aamir found out about for Boywonder!

The entire thing may have started with Boywonder insulting your post, but you made it really personal. He does not know you, but since he put his name out there he opens himself up to personal insults? You, without a name on your profile, but many personal stories and connections on this board are therefore home free? I do not get how you do not see the connection. What he did was worse than what you guys did, but I do not see how you do not see the connection that led to it.

If you would have never said anything about his JUCO, than he would have NOTHING to talk about with you. NOTHING. Instead, your personal insult opened the floodgates. It might not have been right, but I tend to see not only where you are coming from, but where Boywonder was coming from in accordance to you looking down on where he played basketball. He than has no right to ask what gives you the ability to do so?

It went too far and some connections did not add up, but a lot of things were left ambiguous. In the end, do not get you either and will leave it at that. I feel you had the power to diffuse the situation early on than got in an insulting match. The other guy may have gone too far, but I think you and Aamir were both responsible for driving him there. Disagree with that if you will, but I still think that there was no need to talk sh#t about his JUCO and it just made things a lot worse in the end.

You still have no stats from anywhere lol point blank you try to act all innocent but lil buddy you aren't you lied about your hooping career you still never proved that you hooped ANYWHERE. You just gave alot of different excuses here and there just answer this one question and it will be done:

HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED COLLEGE BASKETBALL?

Not a pro am game

Not a intramural game

Not a open gym

AN ACTUAL COLLEGE GAME WHERE THEY KEEP STATS, WHERE YOU HAVE CONFERENCE AND NON CONFERENCE GAMES?

Man, you encourage this $hit all of the time. A lot of the time you only insult a person without saying anything constructive about any thing. Plus, I really dislike you saying that by confronting something straight up "you are acting like girls". It is not about holding a grudge, it is about admitting to and learning from mistakes.

TOL and FvckSwag, if you guys are going to preach something, practice it. Because, up to this point, you guys seem to love starting $hit with people and dishing out insults. If you want to talk basketball, do it. If you want to change something, than start with yourselves. TOL, I consider you a long time acquaintance on this board, but you always hold f#cking grudges, lol. Sorry, just had to point this out as I find both of your stances kind of funny as you both seem to love this kind of thing, lol.

Don't know why your post was deleted, but if it were for being exactly what you were writing about, than maybe it got sucked into its own black hole, lol. Seriously man, I understand that it would be great if we stopped talking about this stuff, but there are trolling people who seem to bring this up and I think this was trying to set a truce or some mutual understanding. It hasn't come yet, but there is hope and I think you writing that came WAY after the fact. Again, I do not delete posts so I do not know why it was erased, but I think you kind of are a part a lot of what you wrote about.

TOL and FvckSwag, if you guys are going to preach something, practice it. Because, up to this point, you guys seem to love starting $hit with people and dishing out insults. If you want to talk basketball, do it.

Im pretty sure the only time either of us have ever talked non-basketball was when we actually argued with each other, which was mostly my fault.

There's a difference between getting into a heated debate with a person but once it spills onto other threads,

And, as TOL23 just brought up, it was a heated debate that probably shouldn't have gotten as heated as it did.

I do talk basketball on here ALL THE TIME. news flash. Go ahead and show me a recent thread where I dont talk basketball, or encourage this childish cry baby sh*t. Please do.

If any of you would like to know why your post(s) got deleted, you can read any one of the three warnings I've given throughout this topic. Those of you who are repeatedly violating the Terms of Use are being reported to Mollom, the entity that ultimately decides who gets banned and who doesn't.

If I could delete/move entire topics, this one would be in the trash. I thought that everybody had reached an understanding on the first page, but it's apparent that these spats go beyond a beef between just two users. Suddenly everybody has a side, and something to say. By all means, vent to your heart's content. Just do it in a semi-respectful manner, so we don't end up making the problem worse. If you are incapable of doing that, then please take your dispute somewhere else.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Hard to state my circumstances? I don't get that... They've been stated on here before. Go search for those posts as hard as you did for the post about the tip dunk I made years ago. Just do me a favor... Don't misquote me when you find them. I'd appreciate that.

And I'd have had no problems answering any questions. Problem was that by the time I signed on, Boywonder32 had already basically dogged me out, called me names and went on and on about that for two pages... With everybody jumping on the pile and having fun at it. Of course I'm not going to respond nicely to that. Not to mention, who wants to be backed into a corner and be made to feel like they HAVE to explain something to a bunch of people you don't know on an internet forum?

To be honest with you... I think it's personal with you and it started when I didn't have nice things to say about one of your articles about Eric Gordon and Team USA. Get over it dude. I enjoy this site and am competitive when it comes to debating ball, but this site isn't as important to me as it is to you. I'll leave it at that.

@Boywonder

I took a jab at your JUCO. We jab each other all of the time on this site. It's been going on since I joined here. I honestly thought you were Youngdave (still do), who I've gone back and forth with before. It's NEVER really personal for me... Just fun. Me jabbing your JUCO wasn't intended to be some sort of major personal attack on you or your character. I spend a lot of my weekends passing a ball in a gym to dudes just like you. I wrote congrats on you getting a bump up to D2 and I meant that. The truth is, nobody knows if ANYBODY is who they say they are on here. IF you're really playing ball, congrats and good luck to you on that.

My bad Spidey, I wasn't calling you out, I was actually saying you had better facts to back it up (gotta rep that MN pride).

At this point I don't think this thread should be deleted. Its kinda seemed lately like theres been a building tension around users everywhere. It almost seems like everyone has beef with someone else. It just happens that way. So I don't understand why we can't just let the floodgates loose and let everything out here rather than keep things tense and have another thread like this (or the other thread encouraging calling others out when they were wrong and bringing up times when you were right, sadly in a way its all about the point system too). We kinda just need to let everything out and clear the air between everyone.

I gotta say as an onlooker for most of this heated argument, why do ya'll feel the need to call someone out and then insult them. If you're going to call them out, do so. But like what NoMoney said, do it respectfully. We're all hoops enthusiasts, there's no reason we can't be human beings about disagreements.

The fact that this has all reached this point is just straight bull. F*ck calling each other names and insulting each other, all you gotta do is state your claim or problem with another user and let them answer it.

@Indiana this dude is seriously carrying such a grudge because you called his JUCO garbage but you can't say "Yes I played here for one game, here is my stats." or "No I never actually played in a game but I assisted in training, etc." I understand you want your personal life to stay as it should be, personal, and I get that saying my stats are _____ kinda opens you up to let people know your name and whatever but it'll put things to rest once and for all. If you didn't play (whether its because of injuries, talent level, whatever it may be), its not like its a bad thing. I never played for my school past my freshman year in high school (whole different story) but that doesn't mean that I don't know hoops. In my books although I don't necessarily like you, I still respect you as a poster and I think you still maintained your credibility.

@Boywonder chill bro. You made it further than what I would say most people on this site will go. Be proud of that and just relax if someone called you out for a JUCO you don't even attend anymore. I can see that you're obviously competitive, that doesn't mean you need to insult Indiana (you could even see it as "dropping to his level" for him insulting your JUCO carreer). The beef between you two is ridiculous and has gone on for way too long and it just needs to come to an end.

@Spidey while I side with you, don't just call a guy out for being an a-hole and then not expect for him to come back firing insults at you. Creating an entire thread to call out a guy can also be seen as a dick move.

@JChill Sandusky jokes... Really? People have been taking jabs at you ALL of this thread but just take a step back and relax. If you got beef with him, email him and discuss it like men rather than boys.

Sorry for writing a mini Dr. Phil book here but ya'll just need to chill but also need to clear the air. Just don't let anger get the best of you because that won't really help in diffusing any situation.

"I never played for my school past my freshman year in high school (whole different story) but that doesn't mean that I don't know hoops."

I never even made it that far, I didn't play for my high school at all. I played in essentially a rec league 9th-12th grade and then started up an AAU team for 11th and 12th, but I never played a game for my high school.

I do not even know what articles you are talking about. As far as misquoting you, I apologized and it seems like you have not gotten over it. I have nothing personal with you, I think you time after time come at me. Man, I can admit when I was wrong, I gave you props for Eric Gordon making Team USA and said I was wrong. You never seem to acknowledge this or just want to believe I have a problem with you, presumably because you have a problem with me.

If you can bring these times to light, maybe we can learn from this misunderstanding. The thing is, I can say when I went to far or over the line. You tend to think it was a "jab" at Boywonder, but it certainly did not seem like one. Could be a miscommunication? However, you need to COMMUNICATE these things rather than go on long volatile, condescending statements.

I am more than willing to be cool with you, it just seems like you tend to think things you have said in the past or things you have said to people have no effect on further communication between individuals. I think you definitely take that into account, why should other people not be able to do the same thing? I had never heard the story. I apologize for not researching that, but the Patrick O'Bryant thing stuck with me. Just like the Eric Gordon and Team USA things you mentioned stuck with you.

I swear to god I must have played with you guys at some point then because I played for them as a soph ('08), junior ('09) and part of my senior year ('10). I have NO idea what color team we were though lol I always got stuck with the underclassmen team :(

I was just pointing to the fact that at times, I have felt you have both been more abrasive than constructive towards people. Calling people "b!tches" and "pussie$" is not being constructive. I know you both like basketball and I am glad you do not hold grudges.

We all have our pet peeves and such, TOL you definitely have those and can at times freak on a person. The fact is, I think neither of the things you guys were saying were overly constructive here. If you dislike these posts, there are better ways to do it than saying people are acting like girls and such. FvckSwag666, I am sorry if I said you were instigating things (if you are talking about an argument with me, I honestly do not even remember. If it is with TOL, glad you guys are cool).

To me, this was a thread to address someone being a troll on the board. Yes, they pop up every once in a while. I think there is still a lot of basketball that gets talked about and that if you write a good thread or have something you want to discuss, chances are you can get that done. Just also feel that while doing it this way may not have been absolutely necessary, it was a way to get a person to stop saying things that were just immature and not needed on here. Plain and simple.

The only post I have ever flagged was one that was some troll who was being overtly racist (Flagged it, not deleted it as I have never deleted a topic or response). The guy was being a KKK @sshole and saying some ridiculous things and I found it offensive. Otherwise, it takes a lot to offend me. If someone uses a gay or racial slur to end or back up an argument, I find it tends to make them look ridiculous.

I have to say, calling someone a b!tch or whatever tends to do the same. We do not know each other off of here, but we know each other on here. If I am doing something wrong, than I am fine with being called out. Obviously some people seem to think I am in the wrong, which is fine. Still, just felt that there are much better ways to get things back on track than posting about everyone being a b!tch. It is not constructive and I don't think it helped matters.

Your apology for the misquote was very small compared to how much it fed into the accussations. Maybe that's why it isn't memorable. And it took you awhile to admit you were wrong about the Eric Gordon thread, but yea you did eventually when it became obviously clear. Stop acting like you have an easy time admitting when you're wrong... You can be just as stubborn as BothTeamsPlayedHard.

Come on now... That was a damn jab at Boywonder. I don't even know him. It was a one line jab. I didn't go on and on about it. I didn't go look up his stats. I didn't go dig deep to dog that kid out. I'm finding it hilarious that you're making this seem like I just dogged this kid out or that I maliciously wanted to attack this kid on a personal level. Get real...

You could stand to work on your communication too. You don't always comprehend things well yourself. And your posts are long as well, plus you can come off as preachy. It is what it is.

Like I said... At the end of the day, we'll just have to agree to disagree.