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Re: Batman 3

Since we're talking about villains, do you think Zsasz will get an expanded role (he had a cameo in Batman Begins, apparently) or should he just stay as a background character?
As much as I like the Riddler, Zsasz could easily fill the realistic villain role.
This is the cameo he made:
I can't tell, but I heard that you can spot those marks he makes into himself somewhere in the movie. Somewhere around the neck.

It doesn't even need to be a 'the whole city is in danger!' scenario. Batman literally saved the city from itself twice now.

This film needs to put a close on the series and it would be great if the last film was spent ousting Batman. Now it's reasonable to argue that Joker tried to do that, but that wasn't what drove Joker. It was a means to an end. Whereas Edward NEEDS to know who Batman is because, well, it's the only thing he doesn't know. Making that complex seem realistic is what would be a challenge.

And as far as 'realistic' villains.

I am ALL for it.

100%

Batman has always been my favorite superhero because he's....anyone.

He's a normal guy.

Batman's only superpower is being 'Fabulously Wealthy' so that he could travel the world to hone his completely human skills.

And seeing that reality be brought over to villains, as much as possible that is, is great!

I love stories that have one foot firmly planted in reality, and the other dipping its big toe into the tepid pool of fantastic.

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Zsasz is a bit of a small fry to make for an End of the Trilogy Villain. Talia makes more sense because Nolan seems really exciting about having an ending and tying things up. The Riddler always seemed like a watered down version of the Joker, i mean the joker was all about leaving clues and riddles too just to make things more fun.

Personally i would've really loved if Nolan found a way to make Mr.Freeze realistic because he is my favorite Batman villain but i understand the difficulty of that, probably why it was the only guy he ruled out T_T

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I support Bale's Batman voice cause it's the realistic thing to do. You don't want to be speaking clearly when your alter-ego is a celebrity and can be identified by voice. The hates kinda silly, people just want Batman to sound cool and not caring about what Nolan's trying to do.

It doesn't even need to be a 'the whole city is in danger!' scenario. Batman literally saved the city from itself twice now.

This film needs to put a close on the series and it would be great if the last film was spent ousting Batman. Now it's reasonable to argue that Joker tried to do that, but that wasn't what drove Joker. It was a means to an end. Whereas Edward NEEDS to know who Batman is because, well, it's the only thing he doesn't know. Making that complex seem realistic is what would be a challenge.

And as far as 'realistic' villains.

I am ALL for it.

100%

Batman has always been my favorite superhero because he's....anyone.

He's a normal guy.

Batman's only superpower is being 'Fabulously Wealthy' so that he could travel the world to hone his completely human skills.

And seeing that reality be brought over to villains, as much as possible that is, is great!

I love stories that have one foot firmly planted in reality, and the other dipping its big toe into the tepid pool of fantastic.

Agreed. Although I still think Mad Hatter would do in a pinch (if Nolan wants to use new villains).

The question is, who would PLAY the Riddler? Everyone's screaming "Johnny Depp" but there must be other candidates out there.

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Or Robin Williams... since he was supposed to be the original Joker way back when and the Riddler at one point.

He CAN be creepy and realistic if need be o.o

One Hour Photo showed me that

Even if Jim Carrey could do the job well this time, I still don't think they'd cast him. He already has so many people hating his last attempt, the movie takes a huge hit by giving him another shot. He would turn people off. It'd be like headlining Kanye West for... anything.

Originally Posted by Satsuki

Agreed. Although I still think Mad Hatter would do in a pinch (if Nolan wants to use new villains).

The question is, who would PLAY the Riddler? Everyone's screaming "Johnny Depp" but there must be other candidates out there.

At first I advocated for him, but I don't see him as realistic enough. He mind controls people with hats. Yes, they can change it to him drugging people to influence their actions, but that kind of removes his entire theme.

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If I recall in the animated series he didn't put an entire hat on people, he just stuck a card in their head.

You don't HAVE to have the mind control be through hats, there's any number of ways you can convey mind control through an Alice in Wonderland theme. Hell, you could even drug people's tea if you wanted to do a tea party.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

You don't HAVE to have the mind control be through hats, there's any number of ways you can convey mind control through an Alice in Wonderland theme. Hell, you could even drug people's tea if you wanted to do a tea party.

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I read your initial reaction a few days ago and wrote a long post on why I agreed with you until, as I went on, I realized that I didn't really agree as much as I thought I did and I deleted it all.

Mad Hatter is a fun villain.

And he could be 'realistic'.

But I think the challenge of getting someone to go 'that' far over the deep end (unless they bring back Scarecrow's drugs) AND get the ability to make Alice-inspired gear, would be asking too much.

With Joker they used a couple cheap masks and from time to time he spray-painted something. That was as far as they took it.

But for MH to work, they'd have to make a man that has a significant amount of time and funds to create Alice-themed traps or costumes.

Plus, without a love interest, I dunno if it works. You'd have to have an 'Alice' and I don't think they could establish it.

Also, I think the Alice path might be a little too jarring from the audience's perspective. "What movie are we watching now?", kind of thing.

The idea hit me as awesome, then neat and then pretty un-doable. With the Riddler he doesn't even need to have question marks covering him to be The Riddler, just a logical guy that wants to know who the hell Batman is. It just seems to make sense.

Again, not my idea of the best final villain, but from a story perspective, seems to fit.

Anyway, long story short, would love to see MH but logistically, I can't see them doing it.

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Originally Posted by Greg

The idea hit me as awesome, then neat and then pretty un-doable. With the Riddler he doesn't even need to have question marks covering him to be The Riddler, just a logical guy that wants to know who the hell Batman is. It just seems to make sense.

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Originally Posted by Buuhan1

I support Bale's Batman voice cause it's the realistic thing to do. You don't want to be speaking clearly when your alter-ego is a celebrity and can be identified by voice. The hates kinda silly, people just want Batman to sound cool and not caring about what Nolan's trying to do.

It was perfect in Begins, there were parts in Dark Knight where it was overdone and a lot of the hate comes from there (although there are the people that hate Begin's voice and wish Michael Keaton was still Batman so...).

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A part of me wants the following included:
-Askham Asylum up and running.
-A massive cell given to the Joker. We never see or hear the Joker, but everyone looks at the cell as if it held the worst of the worst.
-A young blonde psychiatrist walking into the cell with the name tag, "Dr. Quinzel".