No shame in being held by georgia btw- they are far better than their ranking suggets

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They lost their first two games, though, which means losing ground on the main rivals for the group. Not a disaster but a bad result, and Wales were outplayed for a period second half, which was a bit worrying. Still seem prone to dodgy periods in games. Four points from the next two games will make for a decent first half of the campaign. Less than that won't.

a CHANCE!!!! If we win on tuesday (likely) and Ireland lose or draw (likely) then we are above them in group. It all boils down to the Ireland game at home, that is pretty much a winner takes all game now.

Looking at the tables I actually think it's unlikely we'll qualify as one of the best 2nd place teams even if we pull it off. Because our group is the most competitive group there is everyone is taking points off everyone else, whereas most other groups have 2 teams head and shoulders above the others!

Looking at the tables I actually think it's unlikely we'll qualify as one of the best 2nd place teams even if we pull it off. Because our group is the most competitive group there is everyone is taking points off everyone else, whereas most other groups have 2 teams head and shoulders above the others!

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Only one team out of nine doesn't get into playoffs. I think I'm right in saying that performance against lowest ranked team doesn't count as well when deciding who to eliminate.

In short three wins from here virtually guarantee a playoff. Then you cross your fingers you don't get Italy.

Only one team out of nine doesn't get into playoffs. I think I'm right in saying that performance against lowest ranked team doesn't count as well when deciding who to eliminate.

In short three wins from here virtually guarantee a playoff. Then you cross your fingers you don't get Italy.

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The 2nd placecteams in just about every other group has a better record than us. It's going to be very very tight and even 3 from 3 may not be enough. When I've got an hour of so I will try and work out permutations and who we need to be supporting in other groups on Tuesday. We could do with ROI and Serbia drawing for a start as our best hope might be to win our group and need those 2 to drop points. Austria beating Georgia would be handy too, and hopefully Moldova can pick up a shock win in last 2 games, thus would mean they aren't the bottom side and we wouldn't drop a full 6 points from our total! This assumes we win 3 of 3.

We could also do with a defeat for Greece tonight defeats/draws for Montenegro and Denmark on Monday and a draw between Iceland and Ukraine on Tuesday. Then the picture will be looking much easier for us.