mainstreet62:THE GREAT NAME: All the chicken-little stuff comes from a few corrupt high-ranking scientists (Mann, Hansen, Phil Jones), the IPCC (a political organisation which does no science) the likes of WWF and Greenpeace, excited journalists and greedy politicians.

tenpoundsofcheese:Some TV guy with a mechanical engineering degree is lecturing people about climate change and how tornadoes are caused by global warming?

This is why we can't have nice things.

I'll wait until Natalie Portman writes a paper.

Yeah, we should just leave all thinking to the "job creators", they'll know what's best for a healthy society.That's why god put them in charge and made them better in every meaningful way that counts.

firefly212:Eapoe6: Just for fun, count how many times words like, "surpirsed" "baffled" and "shocked to discover" appear in the science section of whatever news you read.

Per Mr. Nye...People on TV are the most honest. Science is not corrputed by business interestes, and Bill Nye is not an idiot paid amounts beyond his contribution to society.

Read science, not science news... you'll only very rarely see words like that appear in scientific literature, dissertations, and published pieces in actual journals. What you are describing is not a corruption of science, but a corruption of reporting.

udhq:Eapoe6: Extrapolate that same motivation into Peer Reviewed Journals and overpaid Academics. Lot's of things are supressed, so the established academics are not laughed out of their jobs. The con of man is an ego thing coupled with a desire to enjot co-eds.

Ummm, no. There's no comparison between the two. The economics--with the corresponding biases--are completely different.

Also, the phrase "overpaid Academic" indicates that you are speaking beyond your expertise here. Try and think of another profession that requires a decade's worth of education for a 5 figure salary. It's ok, I'll wait.

I'll give you this, our system of academic publishing in country needs to be reformed, but it's not the "academic" part that's broken.

I repectfully disagree; but since this is Fark, insert some kind of insult to denote my disapproval for the your views.

Because as we all know, if something can happen naturally, it is impossible for man to make it happen. Even when six thousand million of them are working together.

Never said that did I? My point remains we are a speck on the planet that has been here billions of years and will be here a lot longer. The issue is we still have no idea why life formed and what precious variables have to happen for it to occur and what has to happen for it to cease.

There was a picture one time a researcher did comparing mans footprint on the planet by laying the globe flat, we were barely a postage stamp on a post card.

Eapoe6:firefly212: Eapoe6: Just for fun, count how many times words like, "surpirsed" "baffled" and "shocked to discover" appear in the science section of whatever news you read.

Per Mr. Nye...People on TV are the most honest. Science is not corrputed by business interestes, and Bill Nye is not an idiot paid amounts beyond his contribution to society.

Read science, not science news... you'll only very rarely see words like that appear in scientific literature, dissertations, and published pieces in actual journals. What you are describing is not a corruption of science, but a corruption of reporting.

Science is incredibly corrupt. Nuff said. Ask a few scientists.

What you're doing there.... is just stupid. You're making unfounded assertions, assuming that I don't know scientists (I know several), that my scientist friends and I have not had this discussion before, and that you simply know better. Money can be corrupt, but not science... there is occasionally "junk science" wherein people masquerade non-science around and pretend it is science for the purpose of gaining social/political change... but science itself is inherently pure. You can make mistakes, but the whole idea there is that we not only test hypotheses, but that we re-test them, that we constantly gain more data, and eventually understand not only that earlier mistake, but how to test more accurately based on an understanding of that mistake. The glorious thing about reality (and science) is that the truth does not depend on whether or not you believe in it... science is an ever-improving method for observing the world around us... to say that observation is corrupt is just... wrong... you're not a skeptic, you're a denier, an irrational, illogical, ill-informed denier of observable reality.

meanmutton:Also, whenever you use the term "denier", you're implicitly undermining your own argument by going all Godwin on it.

No, when I call someone who denies anthropogenic climate change a "denier" instead of a "skeptic," I'm calling a spade a spade. Calling them a "skeptic" gives credence to their false narrative. They aren't skeptics; in fact, they're the EXACT OPPOSITE of skeptics. They are in fact DENYing science; hence the term "denier."

Now, if I actually called them "Nazis" or "worse than Hitler," THEN I'd be "going all Godwin on" my argument. See the difference?

Carn:What_do_you_want_now: megarian: Carn: megarian: udhq: Carn: megarian: I'm still having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that there is someone in this thread that doesn't think math is science.

PC LOAD LETTER:THE GREAT NAME: cameroncrazy1984: THE GREAT NAME: But what makes you think climatology is a science, when it obviously has more in common with astrology, homeopathy and even scientology?

lolwut

What does an actual science (climatology) have to do with those things?

You mean "in a laboratory" not "in a field". There are plants growing in that lab, but the development lab is not "in a field" in any sense that would reassure people who are afraid of the concept of laboratories. They just don't know about it so it doesn't bother them.

Mambo Bananapatch:I never went to school, but it seems to me that science is a method or process, and math is an expression of reason and logic, and while a key component of the scientific method, not the same thing.

Advanced mathematics has research grants, scientific journals, debated results and all the other hallmarks of modern science.

Of course, this is not the math that is being used in studying AGW. In this case the math used is from the less theoretical fields like statistics and it is being used as tools to do the science. But when a scientist is using statistics to analyze data and generate models they are most certainly "doing science".

THE GREAT NAME:mainstreet62: THE GREAT NAME: mainstreet62: THE GREAT NAME: All the chicken-little stuff comes from a few corrupt high-ranking scientists (Mann, Hansen, Phil Jones), the IPCC (a political organisation which does no science) the likes of WWF and Greenpeace, excited journalists and greedy politicians.

Eapoe6:udhq: Eapoe6: Extrapolate that same motivation into Peer Reviewed Journals and overpaid Academics. Lot's of things are supressed, so the established academics are not laughed out of their jobs. The con of man is an ego thing coupled with a desire to enjot co-eds.

Ummm, no. There's no comparison between the two. The economics--with the corresponding biases--are completely different.

Also, the phrase "overpaid Academic" indicates that you are speaking beyond your expertise here. Try and think of another profession that requires a decade's worth of education for a 5 figure salary. It's ok, I'll wait.

I'll give you this, our system of academic publishing in country needs to be reformed, but it's not the "academic" part that's broken.

I repectfully disagree; but since this is Fark, insert some kind of insult to denote my disapproval for the your views.

That's fine, you're free to disagree, although it is obvious that you're speaking from outside of academia and the academic publishing industry, so I can tell you that you're views on these subjects are objectively wrong and based in tired old anti-intellectual biases rather than the way these industries actually function.

But that's ok, you're free to believe whatever you want, independent of reality. It's a great country, isn't it?

mainstreet62:THE GREAT NAME: mainstreet62: THE GREAT NAME: mainstreet62: THE GREAT NAME: All the chicken-little stuff comes from a few corrupt high-ranking scientists (Mann, Hansen, Phil Jones), the IPCC (a political organisation which does no science) the likes of WWF and Greenpeace, excited journalists and greedy politicians.

Carn:What_do_you_want_now: megarian: Carn: megarian: udhq: Carn: megarian: I'm still having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that there is someone in this thread that doesn't think math is science.

xanadian:The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: occamswrist: Bill Bye is so good at science he didn't even have to Photoshop his experiment showing increased CO2 levels cause temperatures to rise.

What is CO2's specific heat as compared to O2, N2, and water vapor? The experiment was dumb. CO2 cools quicker than 'air' because it has a lower thermal capacity (i.e., specific heat). So, of course the jar of CO2 is going to get cooler quicker than the other jar. However, the question then becomes, what makes CO2 a 'greenhouse gas'...its specific heat (which is lower than air), or some other property such as reflectivity?

Its absorption and transmission of EM radiation in the IR band. Water vapor and methane are other strong greenhouse gases.

megarian:Carn: What_do_you_want_now: megarian: Carn: megarian: udhq: Carn: megarian: I'm still having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that there is someone in this thread that doesn't think math is science.

Carn:megarian: Carn: What_do_you_want_now: megarian: Carn: megarian: udhq: Carn: megarian: I'm still having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that there is someone in this thread that doesn't think math is science.

firefly212:lol, I can't even begin to fathom a scientific study in the modern context, with no citations... the concept just boggles my mind.

I couldn't imagine doing a study in an entirely new field. Short of meeting God, time travel, or traveling to an alternate universe, I don't think there's any original research to be done that had absolutely no groundwork laid before it.

Goodluckfox:I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?

that's what I thought too. I mean is he really a 'science' guy or just pretend to be one? I thought I saw a segment on FOX once saying he is basically an entertainer with very little exposure to scientific studies and Hannity even said Nye has no college degree.

At any rate I do like him and if I see him IRL would definitely get a pic and an autograph!

occamswrist:Climatology is more complicated than CO2 in a jar. Don't defend the indefensible.

Okay, show us the studies proving that the physical properties of the carbon dioxide molecule, and the expected effects of a 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration based on those properties, are irrelevant when applied to the earth's climate.

What a surprise ... blatant lies from the likes of Hannity. Betcha he says that AGW is a leftist conspiracy as well.

From Wikipedia - the references are there:He studied mechanical engineering at Cornell University (where one of his professors was Carl Sagan) and graduated with a Bachelor of Science in 1977.Nye began his career in Seattle at Boeing, where, among other things, he starred in training films and developed a hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor still used in the 747. Later, he worked as a consultant in the aeronautics industry.

Dadbart:"we are still at the point where idiot people are trying to make schools teach fantasy (intelligent design) "

Always wondered why many people think some aspects of religion and science are mutually exclusive. Genesis actually describes, in simplistic terms, the correct sequence of events as discovered by science. From Big Bang on. That was written long before science spelled it out. How did they know? Unless, of course, you subscribe to Ancient Aliens theories.

I'm sure that by now someone else has pointed this out but "NO IT FARKING DOESN'T!"