HJ Fartenmesser M7/6 Lauterjung for rewiev

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HJ Fartenmesser M7/6 Lauterjung for rewiev

Hi Guys,

Long time since I had a new knife .

Postie came with this one today.

M7/6 Lauterjung, no motto knife .
Knife is in excellent condition, blade with 100% crossgrain only a few faint grey stains to it.
Handle 100% too, with only a bit og matting where the leather retaining strap is placed. Enamel badge is flawless.
Personally I´m very pleased with this one even though it is a no motto knife .
Sheath has only minor wear to the tip.
I know money is more or less a no go here, but I payed 430 Euros for this one :-/ Would it be considered a fair price for a knife in this condition from this maker ??

Last question : Could anyone please give me an approximate year og making of this one ??

In the "Amtliches Nachrichtenblatt des Jugendführers ded Deutschen Reichs und Reichsjugendführung der NSDAP"
number VI/16 from August 19, 1938 it is said on page 293: "Das HJ-Fahrtenmesser wird jetzt ohne die auf der
Klinge angebrachte Aufschrift "Blut und Ehre" hergestellt und geliefert". "Jetzt" means now!!
Old stocks were allowed to be sold. New daggers had to be without the motto!! Assume this dagger was not manufactured before 1939.

In the "Amtliches Nachrichtenblatt des Jugendführers ded Deutschen Reichs und Reichsjugendführung der NSDAP"
number VI/16 from August 19, 1938 it is said on page 293: "Das HJ-Fahrtenmesser wird jetzt ohne die auf der
Klinge angebrachte Aufschrift "Blut und Ehre" hergestellt und geliefert". "Jetzt" means now!!
Old stocks were allowed to be sold. New daggers had to be without the motto!! Assume this dagger was not manufactured before 1939.

Likewise it was said in:

Thankyou Wim ..but in regards not of the motto types..but in regards of when the ricasso appeared on these knives.
Mid period production with ricasso started in 1936.....with all due respect towards you and the seasoned HJ Knife collectors.. I would like to hear their thoughts on the production of the ricasso type knives..verses the early non ricasso types

Regards Larry

Last edited by Larry C; 07-16-2016 at 03:23 AM.

It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

I should of been more clear in my reply.....yet my thoughts were geared to the changes that affected the look of the knives.... ( shortened grind process leaving that ricasso "block' )........and in some cases the beginning of many knives without the motto. My apologies for any confusion .

Regards Larry

It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

Maybe I can be of some help. Thanks for the explanation with the PM, Larry.

This I found about the change for the blade, published in the "Mitteilungsblatt der RZM"
from May 23, 1936. It is noted that with issue 9 the manufacturings-regulations told
about the change. This I do not have seperately, but I have it in the manufacturing-regulation
(Herstellungsvorschriften der RZM) from 1936. The drawing with page 111 shows
the "ricasso"!

The change and renewed manufacturing-regulation were annnounced late May. The change
had to be effective October 1, 1936.

I think with this your question Larry: "Mid period production with ricasso started in 1936.....
I would like to hear their thoughts on the production of the ricasso type knives.....verses the
early non ricasso types", is being solved!! Hope I did understand now what was meant....