You assume a lot of things, and so far your track record isn't that great...

I'm also assuming that you will not have 100% uptime with over 12 S3s

100% probably not, but I don't see why extremely close to that isn't possible. I have 11 S1s that are currently sitting at around the same uptime (27d 5h 2m 48s) since that's when I last messed with my electrical setup. Bitmain makes a pretty reliable product once it's set up. The S2 had issues when I first got it, but other than that it's been great too.

That being said, I wouldn't bet on an S3 hashing by Sept 14th. They claim Sept 20th, and while they might start shipping on the 11th I wouldn't bet on it.

It depends on the dates we'll receive the ASICs lots. We're trying to pull-in the dates, but we didn't get a commitment yet.We commit to the 2nd half of October. It might be before if we'll be able to get the ASICs before.

... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...

Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.

Another work-week soon is over for ST and the groupbuy still don't mine and i have no email. I'm really disappointed! 2 Weeks ago order no #1125 started mining and 117x don't after 2 weeks? It's only +50 order numbers, with normally are only 1/2 of paid orders! (you can check if you enter a # on http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-one-month-hosting ). So you didn't deliver 30 orders in 2 weeks? Srsly?

Only real chance to ROI is finding a solo block or the diff falling under 7% increase. Otherwise all group buy members paid ~2000USD for this "deal". Sad but true, for me ST is the new KnC and i'm finally out of this mining business :/

Most of it was contributed for good causes. Go find the GB and read the OP

I'm not saying anything... He earned it

Btw, wouldn't' it be fair to wait with offering SP31 for sale until you release compenstion offers so we would have a chance to calculate your compensation against possible buy of SP31?Atm, I don't know if I should invest in SP31 or not, becasue I have got no clue what the compensation is going to include...

Also, me and many have not even had a chance to earn anything yet from my GB units to invest in SP31...

Yeah no shit, we should have got first dibs on any October hardware this is getting ridiculousI didn't even know Oct hardware was up for sale so even if we are able to put any btc together we will be again at the back of the bus ....niiiice

You assume a lot of things, and so far your track record isn't that great...

I'm also assuming that you will not have 100% uptime with over 12 S3s

Edit: Usually my assumptions are based on the past facts, not on guesses.

Perhaps you just are not technically competent to run 12 of something as simple as the S3 (I couldn't resist)... Seriously both pieces of hardware are solid and arguing this aspect of the conversation is silly..

If the difficulty will be just a bit better than in your projections then the SP31 is clearly a winner. I can't help noticing that after the so praised ROI the S3 is doing close to nothing, while the SP31 is still doing something. Also I can lower the power efficiency down to 0.58W/GH and doing that will help me earn more money after difficulty reaches 70 billion so getting ROI will be faster than in your projection.

You are forgetting to add in the hosting costs $400/month

Not even in Advania I'm not paying $400/month. My October SP31 will be hosted with jtoomim where I will pay ~$240/month.

I wish I'd seen his offer before the spondoolies DC became available. It's a much better deal even with one month free hosting in the S-T offer. But it's too late to change now as I already paid.

If the difficulty will be just a bit better than in your projections then the SP31 is clearly a winner. I can't help noticing that after the so praised ROI the S3 is doing close to nothing, while the SP31 is still doing something. Also I can lower the power efficiency down to 0.58W/GH and doing that will help me earn more money after difficulty reaches 70 billion so getting ROI will be faster than in your projection.

You are forgetting to add in the hosting costs $400/month

Not even in Advania I'm not paying $400/month. My October SP31 will be hosted with jtoomim where I will pay ~$240/month.

Could you post a link to jtoomim website, please?I'd like to find out more info

Perhaps you just are not technically competent to run 12 of something as simple as the S3 (I couldn't resist)... Seriously both pieces of hardware are solid and arguing this aspect of the conversation is silly..

Having an 100% uptime has nothing to do with setting them up, but I am sure that you feel better now that you took this out of your system.

... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...

Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.

Isn't that what you guys said for the slow corner batch as well, what was that compensation offer I forgot, oh wait no one knows yet. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. This commitment should be stated upfront with the details of what the compensation would be. Your track record hasn't been great taking into consideration the SP10 slow corners and now the SP30 slow corners.

... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...

Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.

Isn't that what you guys said for the slow corner batch as well, what was that compensation offer I forgot, oh wait no one knows yet. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. This commitment should be stated upfront with the details of what the compensation would be. Your track record hasn't been great taking into consideration the SP10 slow corners and now the SP30 slow corners.

I hope the SP31 will be delivered early October (Not second half), and with the expected hashrate, or better ; Now the chips process must be mature... The early bugs or miscalculations are behind, no?

... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...

Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.

Isn't that what you guys said for the slow corner batch as well, what was that compensation offer I forgot, oh wait no one knows yet. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. This commitment should be stated upfront with the details of what the compensation would be. Your track record hasn't been great taking into consideration the SP10 slow corners and now the SP30 slow corners.

I hope the SP31 will be delivered early October (Not second half), and with the expected hashrate, or better ; Now the chips process must be mature... The early bugs or miscalculations are behind, no?

Care, they already write: IMPROVED ASIC: 5.5 TH/S SHIPPING IN THE SECOND HALF OF OCTOBER <- In Bitcoin ASIC Manufacture Language this is the 31. of October....

... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...

Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.

Isn't that what you guys said for the slow corner batch as well, what was that compensation offer I forgot, oh wait no one knows yet. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. This commitment should be stated upfront with the details of what the compensation would be. Your track record hasn't been great taking into consideration the SP10 slow corners and now the SP30 slow corners.

I hope the SP31 will be delivered early October (Not second half), and with the expected hashrate, or better ; Now the chips process must be mature... The early bugs or miscalculations are behind, no?

Care, they already write: IMPROVED ASIC: 5.5 TH/S SHIPPING IN THE SECOND HALF OF OCTOBER <- In Bitcoin ASIC Manufacture Language this is the 31. of October....

You are right this is the ASIC Manufacture Language; Anyway a little consideration for the customers is always better.

It turns out that AMD is still using the 32nm process for some processors to come. The hashrate efficiency per watt may increase slowly in the near future.

I hope the SP31 will be delivered early October (Not second half), and with the expected hashrate, or better ; Now the chips process must be mature... The early bugs or miscalculations are behind, no?

As explained before, it depends on the dates we'll receive the ASICs lots. We're trying to pull-in the dates, but we didn't get a commitment yet.We commit to the 2nd half of October. It might be before if we'll be able to get the ASICs before.

Not bug but easily solvable production issue. Soon, RockerBox will show it's full potential.Well, actually, not the full potential since the SP31 still has the following limiting factors, in that order: PSUs, DC2DC, Cooling (heat sinks)I've seen the results of SP30 with slow corner ASICs in grcooling solution and it was impressive. Can't wait to see what SP31 results will look like in similar setup.