"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

no I don't do that, but I suppose you can say that since it was a pole option in the Women's rating scale thread.

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

Yeah. The money factor kills me, big time. If I had money I would be an 8 easily.

This isn't really fair though, only a hot guy who was smart enough to finish all his med/business/law school work and still make it out every weekend can be a 7 or above. All girls have to have is looks

And they say we judge them...

[/wrist]

But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...

lol I'm putting myself at a 7, but I think there are other factors, like occasionally my withdrawn nature makes me unapproachable or seem like I lack confidence and I don't go out as much and make as many social connections as I should... but I'd say 7 when I'm at the prime... I probably have potential to go further but right now, I'm only a semester away from getting a degree that can produce some substantial wealth (not rich, just a solid amount) so based on that its on the border between 6/7. Physically I'm almost positive not every women is going to find me attractive, there is personal preference, but I'm tall with no major physical deformities and not fat, fairly confident, and have above average verbal/communication skills.

Anyways, I don't really like being judged and looking at myself like a narcissist, but I'm just doing this to be a good sport and go along with JimBeam's little game.

Also I think there is a transition between high school to the real world.... in high school wealth matters little, instead social status in the high school hierarchy matters, in college this kind of teenage popularity becomes less apparent as you enter full adulthood actually things like career, wealth, lifestyle, prestige matter.... that's why donald trump can get ultra hot eastern europian super-models but if there was a kid who acted like donald trump in high school, people would think he was a loser and would not get laid.... because of this gradient. Also.... I should say.... physical attractiveness is important also, but it's nothing like how its important to men when looking at women, I've always figured if you're not fat/deformed/unclean/unpresentable and you are reasonably physically fit, you probably stand a chance as being physically attractive to some women... even if you are not, well there's always the other aspects to relationships.

I'd much rather be socially popular than wealthy. Too many wealthy people are just....shut-ins. In the bad way, I mean there's nothing wrong with being a homebody but it's like all they've done is put themselves in this glass doll.

And besides there's nothing like befriending a tough detroit dude who would shank anybody who tries to fuck with you. <3

Anyways, I don't really like being judged and looking at myself like a narcissist, but I'm just doing this to be a good sport and go along with JimBeam's little game.

You don't have to defend yourself, honey. Just let the nerdly loser introverted fagness roll through your veins. Let it eat at its core. You don't have to defend or prove anything to anybody. Just show the world the beauty of who you are, with no pretty bows!

That has to be written by a bunch of standard-issue guys. That ain't the women's scale of things. There's more to a woman's appeal than various dick measuring contests. Looks a lot like guys getting caught up in hype and not really knowing what a woman wants. Probably don't care to find out.

That has to be written by a bunch of standard-issue guys. That ain't the women's scale of things. There's more to a woman's appeal than various dick measuring contests. Looks a lot like guys getting caught up in hype and not really knowing what a woman wants. Probably don't care to find out.

Mbah, I think it was made just for fun actually, not to be taken seriously

You don't have to defend yourself, honey. Just let the nerdly loser introverted fagness roll through your veins. Let it eat at its core. You don't have to defend or prove anything to anybody. Just show the world the beauty of who you are, with no pretty bows!

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

I went with 6 cause it was the first one that didn't involve money. Which I'm never going to have at any point in my life ever.

I will be dirt poor all my life despite how I plan on following through with a PHD.

But yeah, I think what Megadoomer said earlier about a sort of 'tree' of attractivity really applies more than this money-manjuice scale. Also given that different people are attracted to different things/different focuses/socionics there is lots of room for variation leaving no 'objective' scale.
Jimbean, you may as well jump off a cliff at this point.

6, based on the criteria in the link. I consider myself more of a 7 though.

What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

I am a 5 and I consider myself on the better side of average, which means that I find it hard to believe that you folks are all higher than me. Who knows, maybe that really is the case.

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

I am a 5 and I consider myself on the better side of average, which means that I find it hard to believe that you folks are all higher than me.

They're probably self-deluded. I'm actually extremely attractive (I have third-party confirmation, it's not just me blowing hot air) -- and I'm still just a 6 by the way it's described in the link.

What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

Sure, if you have really good social skills and know how to make money as you pass 30 years of age.

Also, I want to note: In my humble opinion, I don't think money matters as much as the article says it does for guys in their 20's. I think for the 20 to 30 range it has a lot more to do with looks and social skills.

"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain

"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius

Sure, if you have really good social skills and know how to make money as you pass 30 years of age.

Also, I want to note: In my humble opinion, I don't think money matters as much as the article says it does for guys in their 20's. I think for the 20 to 30 range it has a lot more to do with looks and social skills.

If you're in your 20s, girls don't care if you have money so much as if you're on the path to having money by the time you're 30 and are at least making decent money before that.

And all this aside, you don't need to be fucking rich for a girl to like you. By the time they're in their late 20s and early 30s, most girls have more reasonable standards and simply want someone who makes enough money to have a decently comfortable living, which is pretty easy to accomplish.

Also, I want to note: In my humble opinion, I don't think money matters as much as the article says it does for guys in their 20's. I think for the 20 to 30 range it has a lot more to do with looks and social skills.

I totally agree, I wrote this also in my own words, but all I got back from it was BnD telling me the gay man equivalent of "you go girl, if you've got it, flaunt it"....

It's hard for me to engage in this sort of scale/rating and feel comfortable. you know. Like yeah I'll pretend to be neutral about it cause that's the "reasonable, cool" response, but fuck. People aren't Mr. Universe composites, or perfect stills of celebrities or FDG. It doesn't even occur to me to put people whose looks I've liked or people I've been attracted to on a scale like this. It would be so meaningless, like I can never eat mcdonald again. I will put myself with Mercutio, cause when I saw his name, and I'm like, I want to be in the same space as Mercutio on a fucking poll, because I like him, and why does he think he's a 10, like that fucking description, and then I thought, well I'd better be reasonable about myself, and as long as I'm with Mercutio we'll have a party, and then I thought well I think mercutio is really not that hot and I don't know, I want to tell him he's ugly, and that he should look at himself in the mirror again, and that this system is idiotic, he's a fucking 4 and People don't deserve this bullshit rating system because mercutio is a 10. They deserve to be valued for who they really are and not who they think they are. Rating systems are so fucking corrupted. You know there is a real person out there that you are rating as a 10 or whatever. And yeah we can all make ourselves look good with fake pictures online and photoshop but that gets tiring, girls know about that too, too much is just annoying. People don't need more excuses to think of themselves as 10, mercutio, come have gay sex with me woohoo!

(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)

Originally Posted by Jarno

1)
A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

2)
A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

It's hard for me to engage in this sort of scale/rating and feel comfortable. you know. Like yeah I'll pretend to be neutral about it cause that's the "reasonable, cool" response, but fuck. People aren't Mr. Universe composites, or perfect stills of celebrities or FDG. It doesn't even occur to me to put people whose looks I've liked or people I've been attracted to on a scale like this. It would be so meaningless, like I can never eat mcdonald again. I will put myself with Mercutio, cause when I saw his name, and I'm like, I want to be in the same space as Mercutio on a fucking poll, because I like him, and why does he think he's a 10, like that fucking description, and then I thought, well I'd better be reasonable about myself, and as long as I'm with Mercutio we'll have a party, and then I thought well I think mercutio is really not that hot and I don't know, I want to tell him he's ugly, and that he should look at himself in the mirror again, and that this system is idiotic, he's a fucking 4 and People don't deserve this bullshit rating system because mercutio is a 10. They deserve to be valued for who they really are and not who they think they are. Rating systems are so fucking corrupted. You know there is a real person out there that you are rating as a 10 or whatever. And yeah we can all make ourselves look good with fake pictures online and photoshop but that gets tiring, girls know about that too, too much is just annoying. People don't need more excuses to think of themselves as 10, mercutio, come have gay sex with me woohoo!

I'm probably a solid 5 on this list. I'd be a 6 but for my quiet, introverted nature.

But like all lists of this nature, it only measures superficial attraction. These are the ways that men get women's attention, in order to move from Long Psychological Distance to Close Psychological Distance. Once Close Psychological Distance is attained, however, it's the intertype relations that will determine the success or failure of the relationship, regardless of the other factors.

And of course, measuring your self-worth by your place on this sort of list would be absurd. The most important things in life have nothing to do with whether you can attract members of the opposite sex.

10, because I have the personality of someone I'd love to hang around with 24 hours a day.

Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

How attractive do I think I am? Tough question to answer realistically. I mean, either you like yourself or you commit suicide, right? Since we're programmed to not commit suicide, we can be pretty good at fooling ourselves.
On paper, I look pretty good. In person, not bad, but not great, either. Most women find me eminently resistible, a few are interested, and some get nervous around me. Could be they pick up the insanity vibes. I look good in a good suit, but don't get noticed in the grocery store. I look a bit like the seven guy in the link by the Eiffel Tower, but I also resemble the villain in Skyfall. By the scale in the link, just as a person, I wouldn't go on "The Bachelor", and that makes me a six. But how attractive do I think I am, on a scale from zero to ten? Looks and money are really not how I measure myself, because both of those are pretty much due to luck. They come and go with accidents and on-purposes, with whom you know and with who helps you. I measure myself on charisma, assertiveness, and whether I'm reaching my goals, so on that scale, maybe a seven, seven point five.
Of course, it is good to remember that almost all men think they are above-average drivers, and I'm also not committing suicide any time soon.