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Slater’s personalized vitriol against Colin Craig appears more and more unhinged. It also undermines any “poor me” tears the gang over there weep re Cameron’s pvtes being published (not that I support that) and any attempts at moral high ground (the whale is deep diving on that one). Cam Oil has the right to privacy like anyone else, but his imprudent use of hyperbole and ass-kicking rhetoric will eventually sour that pool.

Good comments DPF, I thought it looked good as well. I think a viable right of centre party with traditional morals could do very well this election. Lord knows Labour has long since abandoned the traditionally minded voter and sadly in recent years National has as well.

Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?

Craig’s party isn’t near perfect by any means, but he has the bravery to swim against the progressive tide which has engulfed the rest of our political elite. Swiss style referenda where laws passed by parliament are subject to a 100 day probationary period – and can be killed by referendum is a good thing. For too long these weasels have used private member’s bills to pass social engineering laws either major party wouldn’t dare campaign on.

I would also like recall petitions, meaning that these politicians all have a sword of Damocles hanging over them – such that, if they don’t perform and conform (or who are unscrupulous grubs like Len Brown) they can perhaps be gotten rid of in a matter of weeks, not perhaps three years. The bloated, complacent political class (NatLab) who rule over us need a major tune up.

Colin Craig is a property manager (Centurion), not a developer (I couldn’t find that term on the link BTW). Lisa Owen (I think it was) tried that one on him recently and he said he owned only one house. Then she tried the “hidden in trusts” meme and he said no again. So much for her research. Disclosure: I use Centurion’s (and also Crockers’) property management services.

As an Epsom voter I’m more inclined to vote for Christine Rankin than for David Seymour, although I realise that David is most likely to win the seat. He appears to be a nice guy (but hasn’t knocked on my door yet even though I’ve been staying home waiting for him), however Christine’s political experience runs rings around him.

“Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?”

“Why aren’t National nurturing a working relationship with them, rather than running the risk of having to ally with NZF?”

Because National are controlled by Progressives. You want progressive govt vote National. Key even admitted he was leader of a “progressive” govt.

As for those unhappy with his stance on binding referenda then you can thank the stupified MPs who voted for the far left Louisa wall’s Marriage Redefinition Act and the far left Sue Bradford’s anti-smacking bill for that move.

Legislation shoved down the throats of those who were strongly opposed by a group of wet liberals on the left and Nat party progs like Cam Slater.

Naturally there’s a reaction to these very undemocratic unpopular laws and the push for binding referenda is one such reaction. Supporters of this legislation made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Yes, it most certainly is an excellent line-up. All decent people and it’s great seeing them putting their hands up (and money!!) and trying to do what’s necessary to get this country back on track. I do hope they get enough votes to get into Parliament. To many of us moan and complain, yet do nothing. Good luck to the Conservatives.

Next few polls .If Conservatives get closer to the magic 5%.Christine Rankin in EPSOM would be the person to vote for in that electorate.Get Christine over the line ,she brings three or four new MPs with her.Beats the hell out of one MP from ACT.Maybe Conservative Party could be the surprise package.

Jonno1..if political experience only means being elected then yes but if it means non attendance at Council meetings or having to have the agenda items explained to you even when you are the chairman of the committee then the answer must be a resounding NO

No point in slavering over the conservative list. There is no chance that they will get 5%. Colin Craig comes across like the Head Prefect of a private school, trying to convince ordinary people that you can mix bizarre delusions about the world with right wing economic philosophy.

What have you contributed to this country violentrage.?
Strange name .You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
I think National should tell Walford to step aside in Napier and get everyone to vote in McVicar.
Better than Nash and his fire engine.

True believers probably never amounted to more than a quarter of the population but in the 50’s when I was growing up the church reached its tentacles into every facet of everyone’s life. You weren’t forced to attend a church but if you didn’t you faced social ostracism.

Confused again d4j
God nutters are as special type of sky faerie follower.
The godnutters epithet is held for those who insist they have the right to dictate every one behave as they believe “their” god tells them.

I reckon the reason why atheists need to resort to abusive epithets when talking about believers is that they are actually closet Christians – just like those strident anti-homosexual American politicians and preachers who turn out to be gay themselves

Hold on a minute narsekisser from what I see the Church of today, it does compassionate work with a caring attitude without asking money for services. Why are you so negative towards the good work of Christians?

wiseowl: you would like to know what I’ve contributed to the country? A lot, imo, but I won’t be posting that here. I doubt the Conservative Party will get 5%. National will not stand aside for McVicar because: 1) they probably don’t believe he would get elected., personal popularity notwithstanding; b) I doubt that National want Colin Craig as a coalition partner. He is far to naïve and is likely to taint the National brand with extremism.

You think I don’t know what I’m talking about? You are entitled to your opinion, but I suspect I will be proved right post election.

Gulag the only thing a Christian can do for a atheist is pray for them. They unbeliever types spend their entire lives discrediting something they know is true. Just imagine the inner turmoil they endure?

I always pack port .
Great for weekend rock fishing tramps.
Also port is the sun downer of choice on nzsv minnow.
Colin Craig is not particularly right wing.
He is also just a little weird
Why run a top candidate in Epson?
Win. Win?
As a win they remove the most economically liberal right wing party.
Is Redbait advising them ?

“My bitch is when the Godfloggers try to dictate my actions according to the voices in their heads.”

Nobody gives a fuck what you do you stupid hillbilly knuckle dragger. Its your innate narcissism that makes you think they do. What other reason could there be for your endless repetition of this baseless infantile allegation?

As for Colin Craig being a Muppet. I think I am on fairly solid ground there. For a start the man is a religious fundamentalist, that alone is enough for me to run a political mile. When you add in his comments about the moon landings and chem trails, and his ill advised campaign pictures then it is clear that the tag Muppet is a most accurate descriptor.

I stand by my comment, if you took Colon Craig off the party list I would be hard pushed not to vote for them given the quality of their other candidates. I can swallow a few dead rats when it comes to politics, I can at a push forgive Key for continuing Klarks WFF policy, I can overlook the interest free student loans but I will never be able to swallow the religious dead rat. I do not want anybody close to government who thinks that they have a right to impose their fucked up religious beliefs upon the rest of us.

The Conservative party’s economic policies are about as “right wing” as Winston’s, which is to say an odd mix of economic nationalism and a sort of old fashioned paternalism. Nassau has it about right, there’s no philosophy, just rank opportunism, although I am surprised he has such as relatively strong team. Ultimately he may well be the difference between a right and left wing victory, most likely he will cause a left wing win by taking 4 % and not winning a seat.

“The party exists only to return NZ’s morals to a time in the past which in fact never existed outside of the Godnutters’ heads.”

Ah yes, this old Liberal canard.

The party exists to create a better moral approach than what we have now, not return the country to the past.

That said, ask anyone over 70 if there was a time you could leave your front door unlocked with little fear of being robbed.

What changed? Liberalism.

“…You may have felt you were ready to listen to me as long as you thought I had anything new to say; but if it turns out only to be religion, well, the world has tried that and you can’t turn back the clock. If anyone is feeling that way…

First, as to putting the clock back. Would you think I was joking if I said that you can put a clock back, and that if the clock is wrong it is often a very sensible thing to do? But I would rather get away from that whole idea of clocks.

We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turn, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.

…I think if you look at the present state of the world, it is pretty plain that humanity has been making some big mistake. We are on the wrong road. And if that is so, we must go back. Going back is the quickest way on.” – – C. S. Lewis.

“For a start the man is a religious fundamentalist, that alone is enough for me to run a political mile.”

No BB, he’s not. A religious “fundamentalist” (I’ll ignore the fact that this word has been rendered meaningless by liberals) would belong to and go to church regularly. Craig doesn’t. He’s a social conservative with what looks to me like a kind of vague cultural Christianity, and that’s about it.

A list full of achievers. Not a trade unionist , or washed up teacher/academic in sight.
As for ‘religious nutters'; socialism is a religion too. It’s just a secular one. Christians want to go to heaven when they die. Socialists want to build heaven on earth. We all know how that turns out.

At this point does anyone seriously believe WhaleOil isn’t being paid to put ‘hits’ on Colin Craig? He’s been doing it with daily regularity for at least a year.
Even if Colin Craig were what Whale says he is – the over the top rhetoric makes it too unbelievable.

Colin Craig is not a Christian nor does he attend Church but like many of us does believe in Christian values to live by. I think everyone is going to be surprised and now that he has got some good people on board, he’s going to do a lot better than people think. I would love him to get enough votes to get several people into Parliament. I’m willing his Party to do well. We need change, not more of the same. This country is going down the gurgler big time.

Why dont you do your own research Penny? Parties generally have a website with policy, press statements etc. have you seen him engage in smear tactics? Has he been at the centre of any dirty tricks? At least we know where you stand. Constantly smearing anyone with whom you disagree.

Not one of them leeching from ratepayers, taxpayers or unionists . . . MSM will hate them, they are all successful members of society and support themselves. See the “Public Dog” is ranting against these successful ratepayers already . . . what an old boiler.

“Any possibility that Garth McVicar’s personal popularity might see a surprise result in Napier? It seems as though National is going to lose the seat, so wouldn’t it be better for them to lose it to the Conservatives than to Labour?”

I think the main effect McVicar standing had is that it’s cemented victory for Nash.

Are you kidding? With all due respect to those who’ve made millions from property speculating, it’s hardly complex. Look at buffoons like Craig and Bob Jones for proof of that. The next two on the list are known solely for having loud voices that spout reactionary, illogical and insane rubbish. Numbers 4 and 5 have at least achieved something worthwhile in life before entering politics but were overlooked for realistic list positions due to lack of name recognition. The big egos come first and that’s what the Conservatives are actually about – ego. If any of these list get into parliament NZ will suffer as a result.

daniel carter wrote
With all due respect to those who’ve made millions from property speculating, it’s hardly complex. Look at buffoons like Craig and Bob Jones for proof of that.

Take then you yourself have similarly made your millions from property speculating if its so simple?

I know I certainly havent and probably couldnt. Nor could I achieve a fraction of what Garth McVicar has in turning around the direction of the justice system (although there is still a huge amount yet to be done). And I know, as I spent 11 years assisting him by managing the Sensible Sentencing Trust website before it was shifted to a new platform.

I suspect that you couldnt either, for that matter very few here could (or could afford to plough considerable personal resources into the fight for justice as he did). I know my limitations

“I think the main effect McVicar standing had is that it’s cemented victory for Nash.”

Shazzadude, I’m sure you’re right. For all McVicar’s energy and commitment to justice (as he sees it) that is a single issue and not a good basis to put someone in parliament. As for the rest of ‘Craigslist’, the word “strident” comes to mind. There is a shrill, almost hysterical tone to their views. I’m very confident they will get nowhere in this election.

I suspect that the indescribable will cancel out the unelectable and the Con Party and New Zealand First will hopefully end up cannibalising each others voter shares, resulting in neither being elected to Parliament after September 20. I loathe Winston and his pack of rent-a-bigot geriatric xenophobes, sycophants, Prossers and tossers, just as much as I detest the fundamentalist stealth microparty led by Colin Craig.

As for McVicar, his partiality toward the Con Party is going to backfire on him big time. I suspect that if, as polls indicate, the Conservatives are dead in the water and he comes a distant third in Napier, Ruth Money may not let him return as SST Director. Which would be a good thing. Where’s the sense in pandering to a marginal microparty that may never be elected to Parliament?