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Re: Obama at Mandela's Funeral

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

A robot? Hyperbole much?

There is a difference between being personable and being borderline disrespectful. IMO, this is more towards the latter. Show a little bearing, know the cameras are directly trained on you and have fun later after the event if you'd like.

This is about perception, which the perception of the US on a global level is not very good. As the President, I'd like to think that he would be more aware.

id say a Robot is a pretty good analogy for not showing emotion but to each their own.

Are you taking into account that the Lady, Denmarks Prime Minister, is the one who wanted/took the photo? Obama getting out his phone and taking this photo may have more grounds for being a bigger issue i guess (still not imo), but her taking hers out and asking for a simple photo would seem to me to be more trouble to decline than taking the 5 seconds to take it. what looks worse? taking a photo for 5 seconds with other leaders amongst 90k people or declining a simple photo request from one of those leaders? I think youre painting a lose/lose scenario, which is part of the reason its a non-issue to me.

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I would certainly support that type of a rule change. I mean, politicians can retire and collect a pension...how is that even remotely ok?!

I think it would solve a lot of problems. getting the money out of politics would start that change. right now its a great way to make a living by not really doing much of anything.

Re: Obama at Mandela's Funeral

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

A robot? Hyperbole much?

There is a difference between being personable and being borderline disrespectful. IMO, this is more towards the latter. Show a little bearing, know the cameras are directly trained on you and have fun later after the event if you'd like.

This is about perception, which the perception of the US on a global level is not very good. As the President, I'd like to think that he would be more aware.

I think that's why you're seeing many on the left also upset with the President here.

This wasn't a baseball game, dinner with friends or hanging out with the family. It was a memorial service.

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Re: Obama at Mandela's Funeral

Originally Posted by JAB1985

Are you taking into account that the Lady, Denmarks Prime Minister, is the one who wanted/took the photo? Obama getting out his phone and taking this photo may have more grounds for being a bigger issue i guess (still not imo), but her taking hers out and asking for a simple photo would seem to me to be more trouble to decline than taking the 5 seconds to take it. what looks worse? taking a photo for 5 seconds with other leaders amongst 90k people or declining a simple photo request from one of those leaders? I think youre painting a lose/lose scenario, which is part of the reason its a non-issue to me.

Oh come on. None of the cameras would ever notice the President whispering to her, saying "hey, lets do this a little later when the cameras are not around". You're coming off as an apologist now.

And she was just as wrong. As was Dubya with his photos too. This is about being respectful to the ceremony, not if you're going to be noticed or not. Integrity is proven when you do the right thing even if you think nobody is watching.

Originally Posted by JAB1985

getting the money out of politics would start that change.

Such a vague statement. There's always been money in politics and there always will / should be. It's the only way anything gets done.

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Re: Obama at Mandela's Funeral

Originally Posted by JAB1985

id say a Robot is a pretty good analogy for not showing emotion but to each their own.

Are you taking into account that the Lady, Denmarks Prime Minister, is the one who wanted/took the photo? Obama getting out his phone and taking this photo may have more grounds for being a bigger issue i guess (still not imo), but her taking hers out and asking for a simple photo would seem to me to be more trouble to decline than taking the 5 seconds to take it. what looks worse? taking a photo for 5 seconds with other leaders amongst 90k people or declining a simple photo request from one of those leaders? I think youre painting a lose/lose scenario, which is part of the reason its a non-issue to me.

I think it would solve a lot of problems. getting the money out of politics would start that change. right now its a great way to make a living by not really doing much of anything.

Re: Obama at Mandela's Funeral

Oh come on. None of the cameras would ever notice the President whispering to her, saying "hey, lets do this a little later when the cameras are not around". You're coming off as an apologist now.

And she was just as wrong. As was Dubya with his photos too. This is about being respectful to the ceremony, not if you're going to be noticed or not. Integrity is proven when you do the right thing even if you think nobody is watching.

Such a vague statement. There's always been money in politics and there always will / should be. It's the only way anything gets done.

I bolded the part that exemplifies my feelings.
I've jsut never seen anyone act like that at the memorial service for anyone, ever, anywhere.
And I've been to some seriusly low class, "white trash" events.
A memorial service is simply NOT the time and place for acting like that.
Stoic was the perfect word, it's not what is "expected" at such an event, it is what is "DEMANDED" of all adults with class.
I group in anyone else carrying on in this manner the same. Obama is no worse here then the Danish PM.