ETA: I thought I had signed the petition, but when I went back to close the tab there was a page wanting a paypal donation to the petition site. I do not even have a paypal account. I just closed the tab, so I don't know if my signing was completed.

ETA: I thought I had signed the petition, but when I went back to close the tab there was a page wanting a paypal donation to the petition site. I do not even have a paypal account. I just closed the tab, so I don't know if my signing was completed.

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If you mean the causes.com petition. It should have gone through. No one needs to make a donation to sign any of the petitions. I found that part a bit confusing also. For anyone else reading this that wants to sign you just close the window when the donation information appears and you are finished. Thank you so much for signing,

There was a clear gradual ramp up to the situation where she was "sectioned". My advice to people in this situation - have a plan in place for where to go and hide out if it seems this is likely to happen. Have supplies already packed and ready to take with you. Keep the car gassed up and ready to go. Your hideout might have to be in another country, so have passports ready too. Maybe even get a gun and learn how to use it.

Lawyers seem to be useless, and the law, even if it works, can take years to make things right. Don't let the government take your kids and mistreat them.

The following comment was recently posted on the Justice for Karina Hansen facebook page:

"We have a case here in Germany of a 14 year old girl with very severe ME, and the doctors and child protection authorities are trying very hard to commit the very same crimes that are done to Karina. The doctors blame the poor mother for the girl's bad condition in order to distract from the detrimental results of their own "treatments". They say that they can't be successful because the mother does not agree to the "treatment" with CBT (i.e. brainwashing) and GET (i.e. physical torture which makes the girl worse by the day).

Now they want to forbid the mother to be at her daughter's bedside. The decision of the child protection authorities is due next week. They say the girl does not have ME or any other neuroimmunological disease and that her condition would be the result of "psychodynamics" between mother and child.

Next step is to "diagnose" Münchhausen by proxy or to pervasive refusal syndrome.

I'd rather say the doctors and the social workers have some kind of perverse refusal of reality-syndrome.
Unfortunately we can't go public with details because the mother is so downtrodden and intimidated that she doesn't want us to go public. She doesn't realise that this might be the only way to save her child's life. And hers as well as she herself is very ill (with other diseases in the same immunological spectrum).

And yes, these doctors and psychiatrists are clearly making new Nazi-like Menschenversuche. They don't give a damn whether they risk the girl's life. They want to prevail with their ideologogy and their perverse reality refusal syndrome. That''s all."

This is getting really scary. I know it would be complex logistically and financially, but I am starting to think that we need a system of safe houses for people who are (potential) victims of medical abuse and a means of transporting them there.