Wednesday, July 10, 2013

[gita-talk] Re: Share your BHAAVAS from BHAGAVAD GITAJI

Shree hari Ram Ram

You may Share your BHAAVAS from BHAGAVAD GITAJI - PLEASE BE CONCISE.

Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram

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shree hari ram ram

Everything is changing, but I am the same one !!!! I am That ! I am unchanging, imperishable, ever remaining constant at all times. God is ever attainable. Essential Truth is already realized. There is nothing lacking in enlightenment. "Nasato vidyate bhaavo (2/16)" "Naabhaavo vidyate satah" Asat, is ever non-existent. Sat is never non-existent. That is all there is to it. We have not given this due importance. That is the only issue.

Meera Das, Ram Ram

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Hari Om,

Respected Vyas ji,

although everything is Bhagwan/Brahman, and nothing is there except Bhagwan.

But even if the reality is so, Bhagwan orders to Arjuna:

"Tameva sharanam gaccha sarvabhavena bharat"

Here the doubt may appear that when nothing is different from Brahman then who should seek the shelter and whose shelter?

My understanding here is that, although we all are "Bhagwanmay" but it is the relalization of the truth which establishes us in that dignity, otherwise we are the bound soul, "the jeeva". Bhagwan says:

"Shraddhamayo purushoayam, yah ev shraddhah sa eva sah"

acccording to our shraddha we are at different -different level.

Otherwise the following saying by Bhagwan does not fit well in place: "na me moodhah prapadyante" and "moodhoayam nabhijaanati", "ahankar vimoodhatma" etc. because if every thing is Pramatma (though indeed it is), then who is moodha, who is Asur, and who were the Kauravas against whom Krishna preached Arjuna to fight, and if Kauravas were towards the Adharma, then, how come they commit the sins because they are also the same Paramatma, and if they had done anything wrong, they did it towards the same paramatma. (then doing something against the self is not a crime from the perspective of tatva: but in the reality it was a great sin which they committed). means everything what we do is done by paramatma, with paramatma and for or against paramatma, from the perspective of tatva-gyan. But then how come Kauravas were held guilty of committing the sin.

So definitely something else is there alongwith paramatma which makes the difference and that is Maya, which is made up of the three Gunas. that is why Bhagwan says:

and until unless one is completely free from the three gunas of Maya, he is not authorized to say "aham Brahmasmi", becuase he is still in Jeeva bhava, he is still in the clutches of Maya. Until unless we are free from this trigunatmika Maya, we can not realize the "Vaasudevam sarvam" in the true sense.

Without doing so our "sthiti is vaachik only and not vaastavik".

In the nut shell my understanding is that, without becoming "nishtraigunya" real acceptance of Brahman as everything is not possible. (Assuming everything as Brahman is one thing and realizing everything as Brahman is something else. "Vaasudevah sarvamiti sa mahatma sudurlabhah", "avyaktam hi gatirdukham dehavadbhiravapyate")

and the best way of overcoming the trigunatmika Maya is, true devotion to Bhagwan. (from the very heart of devotee) Mayi eva ye prapadyante mayam etaam taranti te. here not the word "eva" in this verse.

(I am sorry here to say that although i am not Adhikari to write these words, because i myself am is not in that position. and the contribution to the discussion is done thinking only that participating in satcharcha will benefit only and in no way it will harm. Therefore if i have done some mistake or written something for which i am not authorized, kindly forgive me for that).

Humble Pranam

Dharmendra Sharma

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Hari Om

Indeed, bhavas of Gita are infinite. Coming to BG 9:29- In the eyes of God ( DRISHTI ) , none exists except He, Himself. When no other exists, where is the Q of any like ( Raag/ priyata) or dislike ( Dvesha) ? Jeeva only gets bound by likes and dislikes, and gets emancipated upon renunciation of likes and dislikes. God always remains equanimous. No varna, ashram, caste, karma, sect , ability has any impact on God. Vishamata ( inequality) is resorted to by Jeeva and not by God.

But those who do Bhajan of Bhagwaan with devotion and love, there God is SPECIFICALLY AND PARTICULARLY present ( active/ manifest/ visible) . JUST AS: Water exists every where under the earth, but is specifically manifest in a well ( tube well/ water well) !!! Actually, in Bhaktas of Bhagwaan, the Daivy Sampadas ( divine traits) as described in BG 16:1 to 16:4 manifest effortlessly, automatically and when those divine traits get visible in your attitude and karma, God keeps shining in you. Hence this verse....!

As far as 9:4/5 of Gita are concerned, it confuses a student of Gita as to how God is there in everybody and God is not there in anybody ! The correct answer to this is: When only God exists and nothing else exists, then where is question of God being in everybody ( when no other exists) and how God is not present in everybody ( when only God exists and no other)

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B ,

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Bhagavan Sri Krishna, while summarizing towards the end of Gita, once again stresses briefly about Varna Asrama Dharmas in 18.42-18.44 and then repeats his earlier message (ÅreyÄn sva-dharmo vigunah, para-dharmÄt sv-anusthitÄt) in 18.47. That shows how much importance Varna Asrama Dharmas are in every Astika's life, just like they were for Arjuna, who was a Kshatriya by birth.

Though in this Kaliyuga, there are many delusions and distractions, that seem to affect people in following Vedic Dharma, let us sincerely pray to Bhagavan Sri Krishna to bless eveyone with Sradhdha and Bhakti to uphold Vedic Dharma and to lead a Dharmic life.

"Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum"

Ramu Vempati

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The point has to be seen and not merely understood. The existence is validated by your being conscious of it. Can one see this? You and the world is bound as a singular process, enclosed process, the complete, self-sustained process-including what you dislike and like, fear and cherish. Mind comes under the illusion as if something does not belong to it and is to be thrown out. To touch the Original you have to take one step- âto quieten the clamouring mind which says, âwhy this is soâ, âwhy this is not soâ. The quietening has to happen without the support of any idea, explanation. Y V Chawla

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My eldest brother once many years ago, when I have young man in twenties, asked me to select just one verse of Bhagved Gita which appeals me the most! My selection then was:

Currently now, after understanding Vasudevam Servam to some extent and also on the basis Gyatri's five covers Nirakar Bhram wears, the best verse for me remains the same but, the meaning of MAAM changed from physical shape or idol or photo of Lord Krishana to the TRUE SELF OF MY OWN SELF that is WHAT I CALL AS I, which is even beyond Anandmaya Kosh. The other four Koshas of MY OWN TRUE SELF wears are Annamaya, Pranmaya,Mannomaya & gyanamaya koshas. Thus, when I get wholly devoted to my TRUE SELF OF MY OWN SELF WHAT I CALL AS I, I go to supreme reality of SELF which is beyond all the mentioned five Koshas, particularly beyond Manamaya Kosha which actusally is responsible for rebirths of SELF due to both PAPAS & even PUNIYAS!

Jai Aduwyt Bhava & Vasudevam Sarvam

Kuldeep K. Kaul

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Dear Sadhakas,

Here i am sharing a beautiful Bhava from ninth adhyaya of Gita ji, which came to my mind. (As rightly said by respected Swami ji that Gita ji is the infinite sea of divine bhavas and messages).

Meaning: although this whole creation is within me and i am pervading through everything in this creation, but see the might of my "yogaishwarya", that despite being so i am neither in them and they are also not within me. (This is a little difficult to comprehend, and a beautiful commentary is given by Swami ji on this.)

and towards the end of the same chapter in the verse 29 Bhagwan says that:

Meaning: and those who constantly remember me with love and devotion, they are always within me and i am also directly manifest in them.

Bhava: if we combine the direct meaning of these verses in the beginning of adhayaya and the concluding verse towards the end of adhyaya, a beautiful bhava appears:

"Oh Arjun! although i am everywhere in everything and everything is within me but despite this i am not manifest in them and they are also not within me. But there is an Exception, i become manifest in my Bhaktas and they also reside within me constantly. although i am impartial to everyone but for my bhakta i become partial in this respect."

Note: Shri Gitaji is a vaangmaya vigrah of Bhagwan Shri Krishna and we see him in the form relevant to our bhava(Ja ki rahi bhavana jaisi, Prabhu murat tin dekhi taisi. Therefore there is not a single meaning and single commentary on Gita ji. there are many according to the bhava of the commentator, and all are true and all are divine and all are perfect from their perspectives.

Jai Shri Krishna,

Dharmendra Sharma

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Dear Sadhakas, Hare Krishna. This is in response to a question from a Sadhaka regarding Bhavas from BhagavadGita.

BhagavadGita stresses the importance of Bhaktiyoga which is straightforward, and practical for this Kaliyuga. It is said all over Gita, to worship Him with undivided attention which takes us to His Abode. I would like to mention a couple. " Na tad bhasayate suryo Na sasanko napavakaha Yadgatva nanivartante Tad dharma paramam mama" Gitaji (15, 6) Which means, ' Supreme abode of The Lord is not illuminated by sun, moon, or fire. It is illuminated by The Lord Himself. Once you reach Him, there is no question of coming back to this material world.'

You can worship whichever deity you want but once you reach that particular deity, after exhausting the punyakarma, you have to come back to the material world. But once you reach Lord Krishna's abode you will not take birth again which is described nicely in the following Verse.

"Abrahma bhuvanalloka Punaravartinorjuna Mam upetyatukaunteya Punarjanma navidyate" Gitaji (8,16) Which means, ' From the highest to lowest planet , all are places of misery wherein repeated births and deaths take place. One who attains My Abode will never take birth again.'

Let us worship The Lord with undivided attention and attain Him in the end.

Thank You

Prasad A. Iragavarapu, MD

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Humble Saadhaka has nothing to share (bhavas from Gita) here in the forum, reason being Silence can't be shared with others. Humbly, Saadhaka

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Dharmendraji, thanks for sharing your bhava. You have mentioned that God becomes manifest to bhaktas and is partial to them. Who is "bhakta"?

"bhakta" is person who sees His Lord in all living beings. Such person serves living entities around him/ her seeing presence of God in them. This starts with treating one's family members and one's own self with love, respect, care, service, kindness and compassion and then, extending it to one's city, state, nation and ultimately, whole world.

Some people think that service to others is like sacrifice and is done at the cost of one's own happiness. That is wrong understanding. Such person is happy and content who lives life to the fullest and helps others to do so.