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Quick quiz:

Which of the following groups of Americans have the lowest support for President Barack Obama?

A) Catholics

B) White men without college degrees

C) Tech CEOS

D) Seniors

And the answer is...

B: White men without college degrees.

According to a recent Quinnipiac poll, Obama's support among this group fell to 29%, which is the lowest of any Democrat in recent history.

The question is... why?

White men without college degrees--like any group of adults without college degrees--tend toward the lower end of the income scale. And relative to the policies of, say, Mitt Romney, Obama's policies tend to offer more of a helping hand to lower-income people. So you might think that most people without a college degree might be more favorably disposed toward Obama.

Nope.

So, what's the answer?

According to Ronald Brownstein at The National Journal, the answer is this:

Many [working-class whites] are culturally-conservative; more are deeply skeptical of government (including [Obama's] health care plan); and most are struggling in the sustained economic downturn. Polls also consistently show many working-class whites are deeply uneasy about the propulsive racial and ethnic changes that Obama uniquely embodies.

Given the importance of working-class votes in the key swing states for the November election, you might think that this record-low support would doom Obama's chances. Surprisingly, however, Obama's doing better among this voter group in the swing states than he is nationally.

Here's Brownstein again:

Such a poor performance among working-class whites would enormously complicate Obama's hopes in older Rust Belt states where they predominate, including Ohio, Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin (and to a slightly lesser extent Pennsylvania). But in several of those states, recent polls (like Quinnipiac's most recent Ohio and Pennsylvania surveys) show Obama running slightly better with non-college whites than he's run nationally, which has allowed him to maintain a lead.

According to a recent Quinnipiac poll (http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/07/from-bad-to-worse-with-bluecol.php), Obama's support among this group fell to 29%, which is the lowest of any Democrat in recent history.

The question is... why?

White men without college degrees--like any group of adults without college degrees--tend toward the lower end of the income scale. And relative to the policies of, say, Mitt Romney, Obama's policies tend to offer more of a helping hand to lower-income people. So you might think that most people without a college degree might be more favorably disposed toward Obama.

Nope.

So, what's the answer?

According to Ronald Brownstein at The National Journal, the answer is this:

Many [working-class whites] are culturally-conservative; more are deeply skeptical of government (including [Obama's] health care plan); and most are struggling in the sustained economic downturn. Polls also consistently show (http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/how-diversity-divides-white-america-20120604) many working-class whites are deeply uneasy about the propulsive racial and ethnic changes that Obama uniquely embodies.

Given the importance of working-class votes in the key swing states for the November election, you might think that this record-low support would doom Obama's chances. Surprisingly, however, Obama's doing better among this voter group in the swing states than he is nationally.

Here's Brownstein again:

Such a poor performance among working-class whites would enormously complicate Obama's hopes in older Rust Belt states where they predominate, including Ohio, Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin (and to a slightly lesser extent Pennsylvania). But in several of those states, recent polls (like Quinnipiac's most recent Ohio and Pennsylvania surveys (http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/06/swing-state-storm-clouds-for-o.php)) show Obama running slightly better with non-college whites than he's run nationally, which has allowed him to maintain a lead.

Prison Bitch

05-05-2013, 12:08 PM

Which group hated Romney the most?

Black voters.

notorious

05-05-2013, 12:13 PM

Which group hated Romney the most?

Black voters.

That's Racist!!

Donger

05-05-2013, 12:13 PM

That's odd. I don't see the word hate at all in the OP except for the article headline.

Since when does "don't support" equal "hate"?

Direckshun

05-05-2013, 12:14 PM

From the past two elections:

Ethnic minorities vote heavy for Obama.
Women vote very strong for Obama.
Religious minorities vote heavy for Obama.
Catholics lean Obama.
People with higher education vote for Obama.
People in urban centers high density population areas vote Obama.
Single people and untraditional households go strong Obama.
People 44 and under go strong Obama.

Whites go strong against Obama.
Men vote pretty strong against Obama.
Evangelicals vote heavy against Obama.
People with less education go pretty well against Obama.
People in rural populations go heavy against Obama.
Married, traditional households lean against Obama.
People 45 and over go against Obama.

The difference, it seems to me, is the significantly more diverse coalition of Democratic supporters and a far more homogenized Republican electorate.

As always. In modern history, anyway. Obama didn't create that.

patteeu

05-05-2013, 05:35 PM

Why would anyone of any demographic group support Obama other than those who support him for his skin color?

Prison Bitch

05-05-2013, 07:38 PM

From the past two elections:

Ethnic minorities vote heavy for Obama.
Women vote very strong for Obama.
Religious minorities vote heavy for Obama.
Catholics lean Obama.
People with higher education vote for Obama.
People in urban centers high density population areas vote Obama.
Single people and untraditional households go strong Obama.
People 44 and under go strong Obama.

Whites go strong against Obama.
Men vote pretty strong against Obama.
Evangelicals vote heavy against Obama.
People with less education go pretty well against Obama.
People in rural populations go heavy against Obama.
Married, traditional households lean against Obama.
People 45 and over go against Obama.

The difference, it seems to me, is the significantly more diverse coalition of Democratic supporters and a far more homogenized Republican electorate.

As always. In modern history, anyway. Obama didn't create that.

I'm interested to discover people with less education voted against Obama. I'd like to hear more.

Aries Walker

05-05-2013, 08:17 PM

Why would anyone of any demographic group support Obama other than those who support him for his skin color?
Off the top of my head, he's a Democrat, he's pro-choice, he pushed for the DREAM act, and Romney was a disaster candidate who couldn't alienate women and minorities fast enough.

Oh, and he killed Bin Laden.

Prison Bitch

05-05-2013, 08:18 PM

Romney won married women.

KILLER_CLOWN

05-05-2013, 09:01 PM

The 2 party system sucks... /thread

patteeu

05-05-2013, 09:35 PM

Off the top of my head, he's a Democrat, he's pro-choice, he pushed for the DREAM act, and Romney was a disaster candidate who couldn't alienate women and minorities fast enough.

Oh, and he killed Bin Laden.

So few positives, so many negatives. :)

Direckshun

05-06-2013, 07:57 AM

I'm interested to discover people with less education voted against Obama. I'd like to hear more.

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

People with associates and bachelors lean very slightly for Obama.

People with any education above that go hard for Obama.

FishingRod

05-06-2013, 08:15 AM

If you want a really good indicator of how people vote ask them how their parents voted when they were growing up.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 08:20 AM

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

People with associates and bachelors lean very slightly for Obama.

People with any education above that go hard for Obama.

Nimrod. Obama won 64% of the HS dropout vote, whereas Romney won college grads by 4 points. Is your Google broken?

So this explains why high income folks in the urban areas vote Democrat.

That's racist.

http://i.imgur.com/Ngwd7HP.jpg

King_Chief_Fan

05-06-2013, 08:34 AM

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

People with associates and bachelors lean very slightly for Obama.

People with any education above that go hard for Obama.

LMAO turn your paper right side up .....I think you have it backwardsLMAO

patteeu

05-06-2013, 08:41 AM

Obama won the wealthiest and poorest Americans. He won the wealthiest because they understand that his policies of big government and progressive taxation will benefit them over their less well off competition. He won the poorest because they either have embraced dependency or they have the false impression that Obama's policies of big government and progressive taxation benefit them.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 08:49 AM

Obama won the wealthiest and poorest Americans. He won the wealthiest because they understand that his policies of big government and progressive taxation will benefit them over their less well off competition. He won the poorest because they either have embraced dependency or they have the false impression that Obama's policies of big government and progressive taxation benefit them.

He won the wealthiest because they are socially liberal and live disproportionately in large urban cities which vote heavily Democrat. It doesn't have anything to do with "gaining an advantage" over anyone, they already have all the advantages. They're voting their beliefs. They view the GOP as a rural Southern evangelical party.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 08:50 AM

How did you reach conclusions?

He just makes shit up. A 5-second google search proved him wrong.

Direckshun

05-06-2013, 08:58 AM

How did you reach conclusions?

Went off the top of my head.

Looking up the Gallup breakdowns for 2008:

High school grad or less: Obama, 51 to 49.

College: 55 to 45. ("College grads: 51 to 49")

Postgrad schooling: 65 to 35.

Sounds like I had the basic trajectory, but spotted the GOP a few too many points.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 09:02 AM

Went off the top of my head.

Looking up the Gallup breakdowns for 2008:

High school grad or less: Obama, 51 to 49.

College: 55 to 45. ("College grads: 51 to 49")

Postgrad schooling: 65 to 35.

Sounds like I had the basic trajectory, but spotted the GOP a few too many points.

2008 Election Obama won 63% of HS dropouts. So it looked like his 1st term was so good he was able to pick up a point in that all important demo.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html

Donger

05-06-2013, 09:02 AM

High school grad or less: Obama, 51 to 49.

You think the above proves this?

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 09:03 AM

You think the above proves this?

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

Exit poll data this year showed Obama won big among HS dropouts and lost among college grads. He's backtracking bigtime now.

fan4ever

05-06-2013, 09:22 AM

That's odd. I don't see the word hate at all in the OP except for the article headline.

Since when does "don't support" equal "hate"?

With a question like that, you must not be paying much attention to the gay rights debate.

Donger

05-06-2013, 09:25 AM

With a question like that, you must not be paying much attention to the gay rights debate.

I'm not sure I'm following you.

fan4ever

05-06-2013, 09:30 AM

I'm not sure I'm following you.

If you're not for the gay agenda, you're a hater...and a homophobe to boot. There is no such thing as simply not supporting it where you're not tagged by the left as some kind of hate monger. Therefore, "don't support = hate" inside the liberal brain.

Direckshun

05-06-2013, 09:36 AM

You think the above proves this?

People with a high school diploma or less go hard against Obama.

I had the basic trajectory, but spotted the GOP a few too many points.

Go Chiefs.

Donger

05-06-2013, 09:38 AM

Go Chiefs.

No, your trajectory was wrong with HS graduates or less.

Prison Bitch

05-06-2013, 09:45 AM

No, your trajectory was wrong with HS graduates or less.

He's not just lying, he's being disengenuous. He made a statement, but then backtracked to a 2008 Gallup poll trying to find Obama's high water mark. Which doesn't even come close to depicting today's reality.

Also, he ignored the interim 2010 midterms which was obviously a referendum on Obama's policies. The exit polls from that one make a mockery of his points:

Thatguy must be feeling really bad that Obama may be on his way to being one of the lamest ducks ev'r!
This means Thatguy is sad that a bigger socialist program can't get through. He must hate those checks and balances.

Direckshun

05-06-2013, 09:38 PM

No, your trajectory was wrong with HS graduates or less.

How so?

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 05:51 AM

Thatguy must be feeling really bad that Obama may be on his way to being one of the lamest ducks ev'r!
This means Thatguy is sad that a bigger socialist program can't get through. He must hate those checks and balances.

........and you're still an idiot.

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 05:53 AM

There are those people who voted against Obama because their political beliefs. ..then there are the uneducated folks like prison bitch, livestream, and comrade vote against Obama because of their deep seeded racist views and beliefs. Their lack of education and racist beliefs are why they hate the Potus.

stevieray

05-07-2013, 07:20 AM

shocking to see Thatguy really is "that guy"

Dayze

05-07-2013, 07:25 AM

The 2 party system sucks... /thread

wait a minute....you're saying there's a difference? and not each party pushing an agenda so no matter who 'wins', their agenda gets through?

/ ~

Prison Bitch

05-07-2013, 07:27 AM

There are those people who voted against Obama because their political beliefs. ..then there are the uneducated folks like prison bitch, livestream, and comrade vote against Obama because of their deep seeded racist views and beliefs. Their lack of education and racist beliefs are why they hate the Potus.

Polls indicate most minorities voted against Romney because of his race.

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 09:13 AM

Polls indicate most minorities voted against Romney because of his race.

You're an unapologetic racist. You kill your self.

BucEyedPea

05-07-2013, 09:20 AM

........and you're still an idiot.

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the biggest idiot of all.

http://thebubablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mirror.jpg?w=241&h=300

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 09:33 AM

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the biggest idiot of all.

http://thebubablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mirror.jpg?w=241&h=300

Stil you dear.

Bootlegged

05-07-2013, 09:36 AM

People looking for work?

patteeu

05-07-2013, 09:45 AM

People looking for work?

LMAO

BucEyedPea

05-07-2013, 09:56 AM

Mirror, mirror on the wall...

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 10:11 AM

People looking for work?

That would be who hates Bush.

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 10:12 AM

Mirror, mirror on the wall...

..yes..you swallow the best of them all. Now go make me a gotdamn samwhich

blaise

05-07-2013, 10:13 AM

People looking for work?

People that don't want to work go hard for Obama.

BucEyedPea

05-07-2013, 10:23 AM

..yes..you swallow the best of them all. Now go make me a gotdamn samwhich

Hating sexist.

Bootlegged

05-07-2013, 10:44 AM

Thatguy would be who hates Bush.

fyp

Fairplay

05-07-2013, 10:52 AM

How did you reach conclusions?

Funny Direckshun still hasn't provided a link to back his sources.

jjjayb

05-07-2013, 11:43 AM

Funny Direckshun still hasn't provided a link to back his sources.

He's still trying to find something he can twist to support his theory.

jjjayb

05-07-2013, 11:44 AM

With a question like that, you must not be paying much attention to the gay rights debate.

Y'know, I was thinking just the other day what a shame it is that Frankie was banned. But today, I see your posts, and I realize "Hey, we still have Thatguy...dude's as slanted and irrational as Frankie, just not as smart".

Sorry for the comparison Frankie...I know you're watching.

LOCOChief

05-07-2013, 02:21 PM

I was wondering what happened to Frankie.

blaise

05-07-2013, 02:22 PM

Thatguy isn't Frankie. Frankie could type actual sentences.

LiveSteam

05-07-2013, 02:24 PM

White uneducated men aka 99 percent of DC posters prefer anyone but a black man as president. Fact Livesteam voted for the white side of Obama

Well I'm sure I'm a racist just by asking this but "why"? You seem fairly conservative. Was it because McCain was such a titanic douche?

I should have stayed home. Instead I thought I would roll the dice on Obama.
Yes/ McCain is a douche

Prison Bitch

05-07-2013, 02:55 PM

Ben Carson? The man who supports gun control and amnesty??????

LiveSteam

05-07-2013, 02:56 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/mh6rp.jpg

Dr. Ben Carson

LiveSteam

05-07-2013, 02:57 PM

Ben Carson? The man who supports gun control and amnesty??????

Now this I haven't heard yet.

BucEyedPea

05-07-2013, 03:09 PM

Now this I haven't heard yet.

Oh my, you ARE issues orientated. I don't know all his views, but I do know he's respected and he certainly is an improvement over Obama based on what I've heard him say about Obama.

...and he's soooo HAWT!

Prison Bitch

05-07-2013, 03:11 PM

Oh my, you ARE issues orientated. I don't know all his views, but I do know he's respected and he certainly is an improvement over Obama based on what I've heard him say about Obama.

...and he's soooo HAWT!

Being pro gun control and for amnesty is an improvement over Obama? Really? How?

BucEyedPea

05-07-2013, 03:14 PM

I'm not interested in a major hijack of the thread. Start your own.
Nor am I interested in a long drawn out debate with explanations. I can only do short posts right now.That's my opinion. As such I don't have to explain it.

patteeu

05-07-2013, 03:36 PM

I should have stayed home. Instead I thought I would roll the dice on Obama.
Yes/ McCain is a douche

You're dead to me.

:p

patteeu

05-07-2013, 03:41 PM

Being pro gun control and for amnesty is an improvement over Obama? Really? How?

I don't know whether he is or not, but let's agree for the sake of argument that he is pro gun control and for amnesty. So is Obama. Unless you're a two issue voter, it really isn't that hard to figure out how he can be better than Obama.

The way you react to him, it makes me wonder if he's said something about same sex marriage that falls short of red-faced outrage.

Prison Bitch

05-07-2013, 03:51 PM

I don't know whether he is or not, but let's agree for the sake of argument that he is pro gun control and for amnesty. So is Obama. Unless you're a two issue voter, it really isn't that hard to figure out how he can be better than Obama.

The way you react to him, it makes me wonder if he's said something about same sex marriage that falls short of red-faced outrage.

I doubt neither she nor you knew he was pro gun control and pro amnesty.

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-07-2013, 05:30 PM

Bwhahaha

patteeu

05-16-2013, 11:59 AM

Based on his undying devotion to Barack Obama and his nonstop cries of racism, I assumed ThatGuy was black.

http://i.imgur.com/J81DiOd.png

blaise

05-16-2013, 12:03 PM

Based on his undying devotion to Barack Obama and his nonstop cries of racism, I assumed ThatGuy was black.

http://i.imgur.com/J81DiOd.png

I don't think he really is. When he was Dottefan (which, he should just drop the charade and admit he was Dottefan) I think he said he wasn't black, once.

Comrade Crapski

05-16-2013, 12:34 PM

that guy ie that boy.

LiveSteam

05-16-2013, 12:37 PM

LMAOLMAO

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-16-2013, 09:09 PM

I don't think he really is. When he was Dottefan (which, he should just drop the charade and admit he was Dottefan) I think he said he wasn't black, once.

You're such a lame.

blaise

05-16-2013, 09:30 PM

You're such a lame.

And you're a Dottefan.

ThatRaceCardGuy

05-16-2013, 09:44 PM

And you're a Dottefan.

You're so cute. My own personal stalker. Dotte fan must have been awesome. ..he really seems to have your panties in a twist.

blaise

05-16-2013, 09:58 PM

You're so cute. My own personal stalker. Dotte fan must have been awesome. ..he really seems to have your panties in a twist.

How cute. Pretending you're not Dottefan.

Bwana

05-17-2013, 10:13 AM

You're so cute. My own personal stalker. Dotte fan must have been awesome. ..he really seems to have your panties in a twist.

Awesome, no. He was a waste of skin and a lowlife.

Radar Chief

05-17-2013, 10:21 AM

Awesome, no. He was a waste of skin and a lowlife.

That got punked off the board by Hog Farmer.

blaise

05-17-2013, 10:30 AM

That got punked off the board by Hog Farmer.

Maybe that's why Thatguy won't admit he's Dottefan.

Saul Good

05-17-2013, 11:13 AM

Maybe that's why Thatguy won't admit he's Dottefan.

I had a mod confirm it. Remember when he used to pretend that he was multiple people posting from a single user name as well?

blaise

05-17-2013, 12:13 PM

I had a mod confirm it. Remember when he used to pretend that he was multiple people posting from a single user name as well?

Yeah. I do. I know it's him. It's like Hootie. You can tell when he posts because he always uses the ...

after lines...

Or Kotter, he ends his posts with, "heh" like 80% of the time. It's like a calling card, or a tell.

Thatguy posts exactly like Dottefan. Same phrases, same tone, same topics, same words. Same extremely poor spelling and grammar.

Radar Chief

05-17-2013, 12:22 PM

I had a mod confirm it.

I did not know that.

Remember when he used to pretend that he was multiple people posting from a single user name as well?

I do remember this though. Claimed he was posting from a school or something like that.

Comrade Crapski

05-17-2013, 02:33 PM

I had a mod confirm it. Remember when he used to pretend that he was multiple people posting from a single user name as well?

The best part was when he would actually respond to his own post as somebody else.

What a pathetic loser.

BucEyedPea

05-17-2013, 02:55 PM

Yeah. I do. I know it's him. It's like Hootie. You can tell when he posts because he always uses the ...

after lines...

Or Kotter, he ends his posts with, "heh" like 80% of the time. It's like a calling card, or a tell.

Thatguy posts exactly like Dottefan. Same phrases, same tone, same topics, same words. Same extremely poor spelling and grammar.

We call that branding in my profession. Pretty good observations though.

NWTF

05-17-2013, 07:14 PM

The 2 party system sucks... /thread

This

Yup. Screwed either way. Those douchebags in Washington are more in cahoots then most people think. Little by little they chip away. Each party going after different things, but we always end up worse whoever holds the power.

RedNeckRaider

05-17-2013, 07:16 PM

I don't think he really is. When he was Dottefan (which, he should just drop the charade and admit he was Dottefan) I think he said he wasn't black, once.