Of course you won't dig your roses out. Why don't you try the milk spray on them, it did work with my Papa Meilland when it got Black Spot. The gangly and tall is something I haven't experienced yet. What did my sister say ? The first year they sleep, the second year they creep, and the third year they leap? Young roses I'm talking about. I'll probably die of shock once mine start growing madly. I'm always busy in my garden but there won't be photo's till the Spring.