GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

No deal if it implements Obamacare. There will be no battle to fight if it gets going. The economy is going to get far worse as people lose what little disposable income they had left to insurance costs. Obama is holding the whole thing hostage by thinking he is empoeror and insisting on getting everything he wants. I wonder if the GOP will even get a token tax cut that will probably never actually be implemented like they always get.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

"Think not to thyself that thou shall escape in the king's house more than all the Jews. For if it thou keepest thy peace at this time deliverance shall arise with the Jews from another place. And who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this.“

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

No deal if it implements Obamacare. There will be no battle to fight if it gets going. The economy is going to get far worse as people lose what little disposable income they had left to insurance costs. Obama is holding the whole thing hostage by thinking he is empoeror and insisting on getting everything he wants. I wonder if the GOP will even get a token tax cut that will probably never actually be implemented like they always get.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23943453

So IF it does not clearly states that Obamacare is not to be implemented the bill will not pass?

Coz if they pass a "gentleman's agrement" you just vote to raise the ceiling and we will kill the care...

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Both,your democratic system is dysfunctional,msm is laying the blame for the current mess firmly at the door of the GOP,the global economy is gonna tank whilst the elite bankers complete the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of humankind from the 99% to the 1% ers.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Both,your democratic system is dysfunctional,msm is laying the blame for the current mess firmly at the door of the GOP,the global economy is gonna tank whilst the elite bankers complete the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of humankind from the 99% to the 1% ers.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

Agreed. They keep on making one mistake after another. It is laughable. It makes the Democrats look brilliant even with the debacle of Obamacare.

Landslide Democrat victories in 2014 and 2016 for them, and you can thank the tea party and the Rhino Republicans for that.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

I agree. 2011 and 2012 were the last two straws for me. With rare exeption, I will be voting third party if the good Lord tarries and there are still free elections next year.

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Obamacare is currently implemented and their will be no opposition to that. The debt ceiling will also raise.

Obama and his minions won.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1445528

They won, but have been revealed now as tyrannical assholes that compromise less than the Nazis did. The extremist Democrat party has been exposed and We the Sheeple now know that. Just kidding, the useful idiots love Obama and the Democrat Satan worshipers.

Quoting: The Right Policy

The normal legislative process for enacting law is to start a bill in the house, and if it obtains a majority vote on the house floor it is then sent to the senate. The senate then votes and passes the bill, or amends it and sends it back to the house. The house then does the same, and this back and forth continues until a majority in both houses can agree to a unified version of the bill. It is then sent to the president so he can sign or veto it. Once signed it becomes law.

In order to repeal a law, new legislation must be crafted which states that the original law is no longer valid, and it must follow the same process. The house has attempted to repeal the law over 40 times. It's basically all the house does at this point in history. However, they continually fail at repealing the law through the standard legislative process.

Since the house is unable to repeal the law through the legislative process, they decided to defund the entire government to try to stop this law from being enacted. This is entirely outside the normal legislative process. The democrats wouldn't negotiate due to this fact. What's more is that the law has actually survived a challenge through the court system, which gives it further credibility.

So, please, enlighten me as to how the Democrats are acting as the tyrannical ones here? If any one is abusing the political process in this situation it is Republicans.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

The GOP is sad, sad, sad. Is Boner crying on the front page of Drudge again? We not only need a new party, we need some friggin real men. Does GOP stand for Gay Old Party?

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So in essence this was done to turn the public's eye from some other political situation(perhaps Syria, Iran, or something we are not even aware of yet).

Quoting: M.UFO

It is worth noting that we haven't heard one word about Syria in almost a month and they didn't stop slaughtering each other just because we are fighting amongs ourselves.

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

I agree. 2011 and 2012 were the last two straws for me. With rare exeption, I will be voting third party if the good Lord tarries and there are still free elections next year.

Quoting: Resister

You know that after this, the immigration/amnesty bullshit is next. When that passes, and it will since the GOP has pretty much destroyed whatever credibility it once had, there will never be another republican majority ever again.

"Think not to thyself that thou shall escape in the king's house more than all the Jews. For if it thou keepest thy peace at this time deliverance shall arise with the Jews from another place. And who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this.“

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Obamacare is currently implemented and their will be no opposition to that. The debt ceiling will also raise.

Obama and his minions won.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1445528

They won, but have been revealed now as tyrannical assholes that compromise less than the Nazis did. The extremist Democrat party has been exposed and We the Sheeple now know that. Just kidding, the useful idiots love Obama and the Democrat Satan worshipers.

Quoting: The Right Policy

The normal legislative process for enacting law is to start a bill in the house, and if it obtains a majority vote on the house floor it is then sent to the senate. The senate then votes and passes the bill, or amends it and sends it back to the house. The house then does the same, and this back and forth continues until a majority in both houses can agree to a unified version of the bill. It is then sent to the president so he can sign or veto it. Once signed it becomes law.

In order to repeal a law, new legislation must be crafted which states that the original law is no longer valid, and it must follow the same process. The house has attempted to repeal the law over 40 times. It's basically all the house does at this point in history. However, they continually fail at repealing the law through the standard legislative process.

Since the house is unable to repeal the law through the legislative process, they decided to defund the entire government to try to stop this law from being enacted. This is entirely outside the normal legislative process. The democrats wouldn't negotiate due to this fact. What's more is that the law has actually survived a challenge through the court system, which gives it further credibility.

So, please, enlighten me as to how the Democrats are acting as the tyrannical ones here? If any one is abusing the political process in this situation it is Republicans.

Quoting: Stand Back 19192910

really bro? u really see the world that way? good for you and whatever you are on. how about you look at who is getting 'thier' way and how in line it is with the constitution of our country.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

The GOP is sad, sad, sad. Is Boner crying on the front page of Drudge again? We not only need a new party, we need some friggin real men. Does GOP stand for Gay Old Party?

Quoting: mehitable lives

Grand old Pussy is more like it.

"Think not to thyself that thou shall escape in the king's house more than all the Jews. For if it thou keepest thy peace at this time deliverance shall arise with the Jews from another place. And who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this.“

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Obamacare is currently implemented and their will be no opposition to that. The debt ceiling will also raise.

Obama and his minions won.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1445528

They won, but have been revealed now as tyrannical assholes that compromise less than the Nazis did. The extremist Democrat party has been exposed and We the Sheeple now know that. Just kidding, the useful idiots love Obama and the Democrat Satan worshipers.

Quoting: The Right Policy

The normal legislative process for enacting law is to start a bill in the house, and if it obtains a majority vote on the house floor it is then sent to the senate. The senate then votes and passes the bill, or amends it and sends it back to the house. The house then does the same, and this back and forth continues until a majority in both houses can agree to a unified version of the bill. It is then sent to the president so he can sign or veto it. Once signed it becomes law.

In order to repeal a law, new legislation must be crafted which states that the original law is no longer valid, and it must follow the same process. The house has attempted to repeal the law over 40 times. It's basically all the house does at this point in history. However, they continually fail at repealing the law through the standard legislative process.

Since the house is unable to repeal the law through the legislative process, they decided to defund the entire government to try to stop this law from being enacted. This is entirely outside the normal legislative process. The democrats wouldn't negotiate due to this fact. What's more is that the law has actually survived a challenge through the court system, which gives it further credibility.

So, please, enlighten me as to how the Democrats are acting as the tyrannical ones here? If any one is abusing the political process in this situation it is Republicans.

Quoting: Stand Back 19192910

Tyrannical?

The conservatives are just giving it back in kind.

Let me see what the Democrats did....

Obambacare passed in the middle of the night with no one given time to read it.

There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

Just called my House rep again. He's a pretty solid Tea Party type conservative. I advised him to vote no and I expect that he will be a no vote. I also advised him to remove Boehner as speaker... again.

Lastly, I recommended that if the house votes to approve this, he should run as a libertarian next time because the last time the Tea Party was this pissed at the house 65 reps lost their seats in 2010. Boehner, McConnell, and others like them are ensuring the collapse of the GOP.

Quoting: Resister

The collapse of the GOP is pretty much a done deal at this point. No going back after this bullshit. They have burnt their bridge.

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

The GOP is sad, sad, sad. Is Boner crying on the front page of Drudge again? We not only need a new party, we need some friggin real men. Does GOP stand for Gay Old Party?

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

They have made CWII inevitable.

"Think not to thyself that thou shall escape in the king's house more than all the Jews. For if it thou keepest thy peace at this time deliverance shall arise with the Jews from another place. And who knows whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this.“

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

I WANT MY FUCKING DOOM!BE REAL WITH ME, what is the word on the house? Are they gonna go against this? Do they have the votes to block it today>>?>>>>

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36123843

i want it all to fall...but on the flip side after seeing the spooks loot/pilage/plunder re ebt - its a no win...theres consequences either way...and we will bear the brunt of it

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Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

...

Obamacare is currently implemented and their will be no opposition to that. The debt ceiling will also raise.

Obama and his minions won.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1445528

They won, but have been revealed now as tyrannical assholes that compromise less than the Nazis did. The extremist Democrat party has been exposed and We the Sheeple now know that. Just kidding, the useful idiots love Obama and the Democrat Satan worshipers.

Quoting: The Right Policy

The normal legislative process for enacting law is to start a bill in the house, and if it obtains a majority vote on the house floor it is then sent to the senate. The senate then votes and passes the bill, or amends it and sends it back to the house. The house then does the same, and this back and forth continues until a majority in both houses can agree to a unified version of the bill. It is then sent to the president so he can sign or veto it. Once signed it becomes law.

In order to repeal a law, new legislation must be crafted which states that the original law is no longer valid, and it must follow the same process. The house has attempted to repeal the law over 40 times. It's basically all the house does at this point in history. However, they continually fail at repealing the law through the standard legislative process.

Since the house is unable to repeal the law through the legislative process, they decided to defund the entire government to try to stop this law from being enacted. This is entirely outside the normal legislative process. The democrats wouldn't negotiate due to this fact. What's more is that the law has actually survived a challenge through the court system, which gives it further credibility.

So, please, enlighten me as to how the Democrats are acting as the tyrannical ones here? If any one is abusing the political process in this situation it is Republicans.

Quoting: Stand Back 19192910

Tyrannical?

Let me see....

Obambacare passed in the middle of the night with no one given time to read it.

Passed along pure party lines.

You have to wait ill it's passed to see what's in it.

And you don't define THAT as tyranny?

Fucking ass wipe.

Quoting: Housedad

The final version wasn't even voted on. It was reconciled because the Dems lost the filibuster-proof numbers in the Senate when Teddy died.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

So will they implement Obamacare or just raise the debt ceiling?

Quoting: M.UFO

Both,your democratic system is dysfunctional,msm is laying the blame for the current mess firmly at the door of the GOP,the global economy is gonna tank whilst the elite bankers complete the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of humankind from the 99% to the 1% ers.

Quoting: stormer

So things will go back to normal then ?

Quoting: M.UFO

The markets will dump for a month or two,and then yeah,you gonna go thru all this shit in february again as the GOP tries to get the fiscal situation under control and Dem spending skyrockets when obamacare kicks in.

Re: GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

...

Obamacare is currently implemented and their will be no opposition to that. The debt ceiling will also raise.

Obama and his minions won.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1445528

They won, but have been revealed now as tyrannical assholes that compromise less than the Nazis did. The extremist Democrat party has been exposed and We the Sheeple now know that. Just kidding, the useful idiots love Obama and the Democrat Satan worshipers.

Quoting: The Right Policy

The normal legislative process for enacting law is to start a bill in the house, and if it obtains a majority vote on the house floor it is then sent to the senate. The senate then votes and passes the bill, or amends it and sends it back to the house. The house then does the same, and this back and forth continues until a majority in both houses can agree to a unified version of the bill. It is then sent to the president so he can sign or veto it. Once signed it becomes law.

In order to repeal a law, new legislation must be crafted which states that the original law is no longer valid, and it must follow the same process. The house has attempted to repeal the law over 40 times. It's basically all the house does at this point in history. However, they continually fail at repealing the law through the standard legislative process.

Since the house is unable to repeal the law through the legislative process, they decided to defund the entire government to try to stop this law from being enacted. This is entirely outside the normal legislative process. The democrats wouldn't negotiate due to this fact. What's more is that the law has actually survived a challenge through the court system, which gives it further credibility.

So, please, enlighten me as to how the Democrats are acting as the tyrannical ones here? If any one is abusing the political process in this situation it is Republicans.

Quoting: Stand Back 19192910

Tyrannical?

Let me see....

Obambacare passed in the middle of the night with no one given time to read it.

Passed along pure party lines.

You have to wait ill it's passed to see what's in it.

And you don't define THAT as tyranny?

Fucking ass wipe.

Quoting: Housedad

It's not at all abnormal for legislation to pass along pure party lines. Obamacare was debated for almost three years. The plan in place is based on one designed by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, as an alternative to the universal system being pushed during the Clinton administration. The same plan is enacted in Massachusetts. It's not like this is some secretive plan, it's been out there for a few decades now. The details are well known.

I wouldn't call this tyrannical at all. Undesirable, sure, but tyrannical, no.