Yes Annie, all plausible. It's more subtle that I wrote. (More about Feb 25 anyone?). First hypothesis is that the Jan 22 panel discussion triggered a research.

Still, there must be people who have read the Aug 11 post on Aug 12-Jan 21 and who did not faint or complaint. Weird.

Another thread to research: in the Higher Ed interview, about Pessin: He [Pessin] posted it [on Aug 11] after a series of 10 other comments written between July 23 and Aug. 11 about Hamas and the group’s tactics and goals. Reading those preceding posts would have made it clearer that he was using the metaphor of a pit bull to describe Hamas, he said.

Well: then bring those 10 other posts to us, Pessin! To your own defense! Or else, Khandaker, do you have screenprints?

And this lesson for all PR/journalists: making it two 'independent' March 3 publications simultanously in the Voice is professionally great: killing the opposition's option of blaming one!

All fine, Annie. Glad I can add. The post is great (1000 students showing up +picture!). It's just my way to get a grab: reconstruct the timeline, who-said-what-when. I also 'found' the January/February activities that initiated this stuff.

It's not just the August 11 post by Pessin, and not just a "misunderstanding" (misunderstanding of "co-specimen" of dogs, and "I agree"?)

It was student Lamiya Khandaker who initiated the public row, publishing her letter on March 3 (see last large quote in the article). Why only six months after?

On January 22, ConnColl had a panel discussion Making Sense of the Charlie Hebdo Attack. Pessin was in the panel.
Khandaker quoted him saying: "How do we tolerate cultures of intolerance?", "his emphasis of hate crimes perpetrated by Muslims.". She then contacted him privately (only about or not only about his August post), which left him replying "you misunderstood me".

It was after this insufficient replies that she went public (after private discussions from February 25, the other March 3 letter notes), and included more hateful quotes. What about "his floods of articles that specifically talk about the failure of addressing “Arab and Muslim terrorism”"?

Not "by coincident", but by choice. Inside Higer Ed interview Pessin, published on March 25. It says:

He [Pessin] decided this week to take a medical leave of absence for the remainder of the semester, partially due to the stress the accusations against him have caused.

Note: The article is also interesting for the full set of lame excuses Pessin lists. Some were even proven false in the same article. Lamiya Khandaker's exposing letter was published March 3, at the start of the ConnColl Spring holiday (March 3 - March 22).

If it is for what he wrote and what he life-long supported, then you should have written just that. Instead, you tied those opinions to him being a Jew. (And don't forget no one can see that, unless one has the prejudice that every Jew by definition is life-long supporting Israel etc.).

Let's not overlook this muddy point. Douglas writes: what might have caused the man's outrage: Dylan was wearing a Star of David. That's a "might". Then, after having talked to the the man who had yelled, Douglas does not explain, not at all, what made him conclude anti-Semitism.

Another free, unverifiable accusation of anti-Semtism. To separate anti-Semitism from political gain charades like this one, I have the rule: if it is not proven, it is not anti-Semitism. Douglas, this is not anti-Semitism.

"the antisemite claims ..." - Who said otherwise? Who said anything in this? Why change topic, hophmi?

Douglas says hatred of Israel is a cause of anti-Semitism. Even worse, he says seeing Apartheid is "irrational and misplaced". You are right in that someone like you better distract us from his non-thinking stupidness.

Jeff, please bang your head against a wall, just once for every Labor supported war. This is plain Zionist speak: center-left (albeit Labor now pandering to the right by rebranding itself the “Zionist Camp”. Did labor ever support a Palestinian state? Repeating that is abusing other people's energy trying to understand that.

Labor has been Zionist longer than Israel exists. No Zionist can be "left", full stop. If you are not free to see & say that, change community. Move town and turn in your political religion.

So now the two state solution has died. Gone. Impossible. Out of the window. Well, that is news for me. I take that for a thruth, and so it is time to promise, Mondoweiss, no one ever may declare this again on this site.

My own news message would be: nothing has changed. Water under the bridge.

So this is Israel’s crisis - We've heard that before. What crisis are you talking about? Why is there a save needed, and from what? Enough of this.

I say: the only true armageddon for Israel would be a civil war between Zionists. Until then, nothing changes, nothing to be saved, just another war against Arabs. Until then, stop 'predicting' and stop crying wolf.

I despise all reports & reporters that proclaim "The end is near". That is just crappy journalism. You only need to write what is actually going on. (For example, that was so good about "Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem" by Max Blumenthal: no need to extrapolate, the images were clear enough). Do you think Israel can not go any lower and still function? Just wait and see. Why claim that this is the bottom, a bottom, what bottom?

Typically, all those reporting "This is Israel definitely going down" (it is going on for years) are only speculating and fantasising. No future facts are destilled and described because that would only tie them. It is proof of bad journalism: mentioning their own fear and emotion and insecurity, but not reporting a single fact. Better start writing fiction.

Did JVP condemn the Gaza massacre? - "Last summer’s assault on Gaza lead to a boom in JVP membership and donations, and a shift to the left among some liberal Zionists who decided to join JVP". Yep. Liberal Zionists, that is: Zionists. 'nuf said. (at the JVP home site: condemnation sure, but I feel something is missing. Does not read like a protest action, does it).

Does it endorse BDS? "[This] was the first get-together since JVP changed its position on BDS from one of support for targeted boycotts and divestments to full endorsement of the BDS call". Like pulling a tooth.

I too am a bit cynical about the "peace". Must have to do with that other word in there: being Jew as a prerequisite first and foremost. I predict that the Zionists will take over, just like at J-Street.

So he [Netanyahu] won and I have to say I am relieved. I still can not get used to the idea that more violence and injustice is good for Palestinians. No outsider should say so.

At least this election gave proof in quotes that Netanyahu and Herzog are the violent racists they are. And nearly 50% of Israel voted for them. (Also, let's not forget that it was necessary for "Arab" Israelis to vote by ethnicity to have a vote in knesset at all). The one and only Racist Democracy in the Middle East. Vote BDS.

OK, Phil, you've convinced me in the first half: out with the Neotanyahu-cons .

The follow-up you describe is mostly wishful thinking. We have no trust or proof from history that Liberal Zionists will solve anything. Simple check: before the Netanyahu-cons they had a big say too and have not brought anything. Not in the US, not in Israel. We can not rely on J-Street and friends; we'll have to force them just as well.

Maximus, I can 't be bothered with the election that much. I'll vote for BDS anyway. The Herzog block winning is only a difference for the "peace process" supporters and "liberal Zionists", not for BDS supporters. BDS never is or was about softening the occupation &tc.

Nice exposure. Here is more footage of that protest. See from 1:30, at an unknown space in the building. There is some civil-clothed guardsman tapping and pointing at someone, then directing an officer to remove that person from the area. The US officer obeys.

Turning in an American. Anyone knows who that secret agents is, and for which country he works?

Quite telling, again, is the Comments section (245 as of now). Top Readers Picks (i.e. by readers votes) are about 50/50. But the NYT Picks (by the staff) only lists those blaming the Palestinians. This one, for example, is recommended by NYT staff:Mr. Kristof misguides ... by not asking why, after millions of dollars of humanitarian aid was sent to Gaza after last summer's war, Hamas has not begun rebuilding homes and businesses and restoring infrastructure.

That allows for Israeli settlements. For Israelis only. You know, Jewish State settlements, where Israel decides on permits. All will be covered in their Jewish State Constitution, maintained by the Jewish State High Courts. Boy MJ's smart. A smart liberal Zionist.

raising consciousness on the conflict and its roots this article opens. And Our media are talking openly . Then, the selected opinions here are those from the Zionist and/or Jews subset mainly or only. Nothing relevant happening outside of this area?

One more word about MJ Rosenberg who is quoted once again. I don't need opinions from anyone who does accuse anyone of anti-Semitism without backing that up. He may have coined the term "Israel firster". The shortcut is very to the point indeed, compared to the lengthy circumventing verbose descriptions we otherwise need. But not even Rosenberg himself uses this these months.

Then, the M.J. Rosenberg twitter headmast says: I absolutely believe there must be a Jewish State in Palestine, but within '67 lines, with Jerusalem shared. No Jewish settlements in West Bank. Free Gaza.

This is gratuitous. He never had to pay one dime of a shekel for this position. The second problem with this is, that he does not clarify how a Jewish state will be democratic, nor how it would be righteous. A racist constitution for a state, MJ? No Right of Return, MJ? Compensation for stolen and demolished goods? Liberal Zionism is what it is: Zionism, undemocratic and unequal.

The non-student Jewish Federation no longer be taking part in the meeting. They had felt no issue even thinking about it in the first place.

President Notestine also says Our primary goal is to support student democracy and student safety. (Toledo was the capital of Spain, and had one of the earliest Spanish Inquisition tribunes. Took me some time to understand this is about the Ohio clone.)

And think of the weeks ahead: Democrats announcing they'll boycott (not just 'agenda issues'), Zionists having to speak out, First Israel Firster Oren wiggling. Media attention. Let it self-stirr! (any reports on the MSM / general public perceptions by now?).

Another good great decomposition of Dershowitz. Note that Jane Doe #3 also said: "I won't be bullied".

From the foreword of Fateful Triangle, by Edward Said: "It is Chomsky's contention that the liberal intelligentsia (..., Alan Dershowitz, ...) and even segments of the organized Left are more culpable, more given to lying, than conservatives.

(from the book: Dershowitz had a "personal conviction", as Israeli secret police had told him, that poet El-Asmar was a "terrorist 'commander'" and so was rightfully in jail for 15 months).

It took a few days, but the Charlie Hebdo killings are firmly and exclusively occupied by Zionists.

A quiz about Charlie Hebdo. In 2008 Siné (Maurice Sinet) wrote in Charlie Hebdo about someone making a religious conversion for political career motives.

Who converted?
1. William of Orange
2. Tony Blair
3. Jean Sarkozy

To which religion?
1. Protestantism
2. Catholicism
3. Judaism

How did it end?
1. Siné was fired
2. The editor took a stand and defended Charlie's satire
3. 150 politicans gathered in Paris to support Siné's Freedom of Speech
4. Israels PM urged Jews to leave France

John O, that's not what they need to be told at the airport. They have read that before in the Jewish Agency merchandise. The Sderot Live War Cinema is part of the advertisement. Also they can join the IDF to shoot rockets into Gaza. A land of opportunities!

Big CH happening on Dam, main square. PM Rutte and the mayor speeching. One minute of silence. Then, someone started to sing. He was approached by civilians (force unknown), and arrested by the police. vid

Good. btw, I'm not totally familiar with this electronic phenomenon, but I think people are happy to know that .... whether they know ... or think I’m ... that it’s possible .... people respond to that too is putting the "self" in "selfie", right? It's not the "You" in "Yournalist".

Bravo Mondoweiss. Well noted that all "liberal" and "save Israel" and "Netanyahu is good/bad for Israel" talks is in the same basket of Zionism. It is futile to discuss who should best continue the occupation and the killings.

And how would Dersh know what the Secret Service records would reveal?
- because they can be cooked by the Govt. The same Govt that Dersh is standing with, by NPA and other interests, against the victims. The Govt does not want Clinton exposed either. (That's the US Govt. The Israeli Govt has a different position).

There are also flight recordings by pilots/aircraft record. I read they were published in another court case. But Dersh keep s repeating this SecServ quote quite often.

The pilot's records (flights & passengers) of Epstein's plane(s) are published through a court process. Are they on internet? (Could show Bill Clinton going to the island). Note that Dersh only points to "secret service" records to prove Clintons whereabouts. Don't forget that the US Govt is the opposing party in this. Similar for the Palacial records in London. Sure no one will have deleted that meeting, how dare you thinking that.

The Epstein blackmail continues:The Guardian about the actual NPA:The Guardian understands the plea deal states: “If Epstein successfully fulfils all the terms of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein including but not limited to [four named individuals not including Prince Andrew or Dershowitz].”

That is, if Epstein fails the terms of agreement *today* and does not behave as a Good Boy, the NPA is nullified and the others loose their immunity.

So one of these days an Israeli PM (like Barak) calls Cameron in the UK and Clintons's Residence in the US and asks: "If you don't help Israel by attacking Iran, we cannot promise that Epstein keeps behaving Good And Silent".

Conchita Sarnoff in The Daily Beast in 2010 did a good job: she described the Epstein case in a series (but without these new accusations re Dersh & Andrew). Plain and simple:

But the question remains: Did Epstein’s wealth and social connections—former President Bill Clinton; Prince Andrew; former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers were just a few of the prominent passengers on his private jets—allow him to receive only a slap on the wrist for crimes that carry a mandatory 20-year sentence? (there is the 'former PM' then, and the New Mexico connection)

On the other hand, Epsteins housekeeper on his private VI island, Alfredo Rodriguez, was fired for calling the police (!). He took evidence with him (emails and paper, to sell to victims), and was jailed for "obstruction of official proceedings" (withholding proof), but of course the prosecutor did not want that proof to be known. Rodriguez served 18 months, five more that Epstein, and in a federal jail, not a VIP -jail like Epstein.

The non-zionist American elites are fighting back? -- maybe it's not not them. Epstein/Maxwell picked their victims from the poor side of town ("economically poor"). That's not non-Zionist elite. The "Govt", already very lenient in 2008, is still dragging their feet (see below).

Saying that the Epstein Ring members are Zionists is OK with me (I agree with The Dersh in this :-) : to critique them = being anti-Israel. Not by logical connection, but by parallel facts).

Reading tips: I found the formal Court Motion, above in this article, worth reading. No too much judictalk, and of course it is the core (eg, it says like "Govt, please give us the papers that show the exact involvement of Dersh in the NPA". Also it opens with the remarks that the Govt was delaying -frustrating?- this step).
Jane Doe #3 told her name & her story to the Mail on Sunday (UK), the second most important news story. (More about "elites": dailybeast (2010, Govt favors for Epstein).

The opposite. Epstein was jailed. There is an NPA. Dershowitz was involved in negotiating that NPA, and self-serving at that. Prince Andrew did hang out with this registered sex offender. Seven court cases were settled with victims out of court. And, remember what the main case is about: did the Government give the victims enough information?

It was Dersh himself who advised his client not to go to court for this - why does he cry and complain today that things should be in the open?

Given that you spend so much TA-payed hasbara time on this, I expect that your paymasters are involved too. Can you inform us?

About the pictures. From page 5 of the court motion, in this article:[Ghislaine] Maxwell also took numerous sexually explicit pictures of underage girls involved in sexual activities, including Jane Doe #3. She shared these photographs (which constituted child pornography under applicable federal laws) with Epstein. The Government is apparently aware of, and in certain instances possesses some of these photographs.

Reports on internet from the 2008-2010 era (Epstein jailed) say that these pictures were all around in Epsteins Virgin Islands house, not to be missed: "Nude images of young girls were scattered around the house", "decorated with large framed photos of nude young girls"The Daily Beast

I remember Dershowitz saying in the 3 January BBC Today program: "I visited Epsteins private Island with my family", but now can not find that quote any more. With or without his family: Dershowitz must have seen these pictures of under-age sexual nature. He is a witness.

Dershowitz: I have never been alone with Prince Andrew (2:18), I have never been alone with Epstein (2:35). I am convinced: Dershowitz did not have sex with Prince Andrew nor with Epstein. Let the man go free (and stop the mental images).

Line of defense: "I've never beaten my wife on Mondays": provably true maybe, and not a refute at all.

Line of defense: "Where were you at the time of the murder?" - "A day later I was in my house". Provably true maybe, and not an alibi.

hophmi: You’re all into conspiracy theories, guilt by association, and antisemitism. How you all disgust me. -- Speak for yourself.

I am pointing to lies, weaseling, inconsistencies, dirty tricks by Alan Dershowitz. He is accused of covering up sex with under-aged. For others and for himself. Expect more, also about your friends Epstein and Maxwell.

Sex with underaged. That is not disgusting to you? Because that disgust would be anti-Semitic? You are giving anti-Semitism a bad name.

From the politico site, where the story originated:However, the law professor [Dershwitz] told POLITICO he didn’t negotiate that [NPA] deal and it wasn't aimed at protecting him. “I had nothing to do with drafting the non-prosecution agreement,” he said. Dershowitz added that the last draft of the agreement mentioned four people by name who wouldn’t be prosecuted and he was not among them. All were regular associates or assistants of Epstein, the lawyer said, adding that the final language removed those names and simply barred federal prosecutors in South Florida from going after any potential co-conspirators.

So, he had "nothing to do with it", but did see and remember that last draft. How is that "nothing"? He was there, working in the team not passing by. He did not "negotiate" that deal, he knows it "wasn't aimed at ...", he did not do the "draft" (but what about the final version?).

Dershowitz, what you said here might be true as isolated factoides, but you were in the team and you show inside knowledge --much and precise-- and there are holes in your non-involvement statement that you did not plug.

This morning, the BBC turned this sneakily into a deny-and-deflect operation. Opening of the Today radio news program:

BBC: A prominent American lawyer who is being accused with Prince Andrew of having sex with underaged girls has strongly denied the claims against him [who?]. [...]

Dershowitz: My only feeling is that if she has lied about me, which I know to an absolute certainty she has, she should not be believed about anyone else.

So, Dersh is introduced as a "prominent lawyer" and later as a "top lawyer", "former Harvard law professor" who "represented Epstein". But BBC does not mention the facts of Dersh: not that Dersh is involved in the NPA framing setup himself, not that he is accused of a sex offence himself, all in this case. Then they let this "law professor" make this self-serving statement, uncommented. Jee, Dersh is a lawyer payed to keep sex offender Epstein out of trouble.

Thanks BBC, very convincing. Of course you had to open the news report with this Prince Andrew topic, but opening with another name and quote this way is a nice service to the Royal Leeches. And done this way, it is a plain misleading the listener.

Yes, John O, I spotted that too. The NYT Staff picks comments are those fawning in admireship (and actually impossibly bad written), like a Frozen fanclub of 4 year olds except that those kids do write better. And the Readers' picks are scolarly good, actually doing what the newspaper should write by themselves.

By the way, right after the War Churchill was elected into retirement, and England lost India. Colonial racist & class attitude.

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