I've known Ashley since about Freshman year of high school. I always thought she was cute (fat ass, nice tits, pretty good face, HB 7.5ish), but never really talked much to her. She was always on the periphery of my friend group. The kind of person I might smile or wave at in the hall, but not hang out with after school. I never thought much of it other than she was hot.

Anyway, last week I get a text out of nowhere from her saying she thought she saw me at a bar (it wasn't me). We start talking and find out we're working in the same city and live about 20 minutes away from each other.

At this point, TRP knowledge kicks in automatically. She's pretty and has a forceful personality so she's used to guys just going along with whatever she says. I make a point to disagree in a way that playfully belittles her. E.G:

Her: X bar is the best in the whole city

Me: Yeah haha I also liked X bar back when I was using a fake

The conversation turned to politics at one point and I discovered she's now a full blown "men suck" feminist type. I'm pretty left-wing myself (probably closest to libertarian socialist), but we disagree on pretty much everything, so I ratchet up the tension a bit by making playfully sexist comments and not taking her seriously. Think: father-daughter attitude.

As a side note, not every message was like this. The "pull" is almost as important as the "push". Otherwise it just becomes annoying and you end up being the one who looks childish.

Fast-forward to Saturday night and I'm out with friends in the city. She texts me asking what's up and I find out she's with her friends just a few bars down the street.

Then comes the shit test: "I'd ask you to come see me but my boyfriend wouldn't like that".

At this point, I know it's pretty much in the bag. I choose the 'ignore' option and say "we've already been over that way but you can come to X". She says something about how this is so bad and how we shouldn't see each other etc. I withdraw attention and actually forget about her because it was getting late. I take an uber back to my house which was like a mile away. When I get home, I open my phone to another text from her asking where I am. I invite her over to my place and witness an absolute Olympic-caliber hamster performance:

She shows up to my place, I fuck her in the ass (she loves anal, lucky me), and I send her home. She says she'll kill me if I tell anyone. Yesterday she asked me to fuck her again and I declined; too busy. Boyfriend of 3 years looks like a nice guy on FB. I wonder when they'll get married?

EDIT: Lots of good discussion on the post, but I’m also getting a ton of comments asking what the fuck libertarian socialism is. If you’re interested in talking/debating about it please at least read the wiki first and then message me or we can discuss on another public forum. I’d rather stick to TRP concepts on the TRP subreddit.

Seriously. You can be doing everything right and the girl feels like she's lonely or bored or whatever reason and some Chad comes and proceeds to make her his bitch. Having multiple plates with low investment seems like my option for the foreseeable future.

To be fair, a lot of guys would take that opportunity too. And lets not pretend we wouldnt. I have friends who have. Hot blondewithout attachments comes your way, your GF is out of town or been on holiday for a couple weeks, hard to say no, right?

Well-put. And even though we have paternity tests today, keep in mind that most men are too naive to test their -- or "their" -- children, and in some countries they are even illegal (fucking sickening).

She herself believes by heart that she is loyal, but she is victim of her programming

That's fucking spot on and well said.

However, there's a big leap from being attracted to chad to actually taking his dick in her ass. All the steps needed to get to that point are conscious and she's not a zombie who acted 100% on her programming.

At one point her conscious got in the car, drove to his place, had a few drinks, kissed him, undressed, and took his cock. She could've stopped herself at any point before.

Not really. We, as men, dont have the ability to hamster a reason why we cheated. So, after cheating we are left with remorse, and a general bad feeling, unlike women who can 'find' a 'legit' reason why they did it and live hapilly ever after without remorse.

Generally, if you are in a LTR and cheat is a sign of weakness. If you are compelled to cheat, then break the LTR and find one where you dont want to cheat or just spin plates.

Glad this is coming to light. My biggest issue with everyone yelling "AWALT" is it comes off like women alone are the disloyal heathens. They simply benefit from the societal norms of us having to approach them. We would have an easier time putting more plates in the cabinet if plates just walked up to us all the time too. Everything about AWALT is fairly what guys would be like if we didn't have to work at approach and everything else

Being a responsible parent to a your offspring is a socially agreed upon moral consensus, it is not aligned with actual reality but with social reality. In other words being a good parent is due not entirely but largely to social conditioning, saying that childr3n have the right to a good father would imply that objective reality is fair in thr social sense, it would be morally correct but realistically incorrect.

Also you spoke about objective reality. What is exactly objective reality, how could we define this term?
After you define this, I want to ask:
Should we live by objective reality? Because I wouldn't want to live without my awesome father and I'm glad to the ideas/norms that led to his decision. If we lived in an era that wasn't common for men to look for their offspring, I wouldn't be happy.

I’ve realized its way better having a couple plates than a serious relationship. I’m free to do whatever my heart desires with my life, free from some harpy clutching my ball bag, and I still get laid whenever I want in my two favorite cities.

I'll do you one better. I had a 6'3 batman ass looking stud of a friend who met a tatted whore on Tinder. I attempted to warn him, as we all know the signs. He ends up dating her (still is). 3 months in she spills that she used to be very sexual (I'm guessing in the 20s at least) and at one point caught chlamydia. During this whole time she has never blown him (still hasn't by the way). Another month passes, and my bro has oral herpes. She claimed that she didn't know he would catch it because she hadn't had an outbreak in years. Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Classic "I'm used up so I gotta lock down a controllable man." My friend is now confined to a limited dating pool due to his permanent condition. Solid top 10% dude. Easily. And he just FUCKED himself. I wouldn't be surprised if she has cheated or will cheat. Honestly, I'm expecting it.

I realize this; however, there is still a huge stigma behind it for a lot of people. He's a good person, I just would hate to see it bite him in the ass later. Lots of people would nope the fuck out of that once you tell them.

Dude I got a permanent autoimmune condition (full blown arthritis and tendinitis to the point I can’t play guitar/drums/sing anymore and I really had the goods for a future career in music) from girlfriending a whore that gave me chlamydia. Fucking chlamydia. Can trigger autoimmune in susceptible people. Oral herpes isn’t the worst thing in the world but I still feel his pain.

That chick knew damn well that OP was gonna go balls deep in dat ass but I'm sure she'll justify her behavior as "We just hung out and were getting comfortable and then one thing led to another...." Poor boyfriend, heh, I'm sure that's not the only time she's cheated on him.

See this is why I just dgaf in ltr. It’s just my turn and it’s bound to end. If they cheat they cheat. There’s not a god damn thing I can do so Focus on self and getting laid. When he tap dries move on.

No I don't have a screenshot of it but the story goes guy hooks up with a chick a a bar or through an app. They go back to her place and starts seeing pictures of her with another guy. He asks about the guy. I don't know her response but it was something that didn't stop him from fucking her. They fucked but he felt a little remorseful. So the guy writes a note telling the dude in the photos they slept together and he should dump her. He needed a place to stash the note so only the guy would see as the girl would have tossed it. His solution was taping it under the toilet seat. Cause what woman lifts the seat. I think the whole issue moved into Facebook where a few memes were made. Sorry I don't have it now but I'm sure someone else can.

Are they legally binding? Can you use them in court as evidence if it comes to that? As far as I know screenshots cant be used since they can be faked, maybe this is different.

Either way, if the bitch is crazy she can still say that she wanted to fuck over texts but when she got there she didnt want it anymore but he raped her anyway. So, texts are useless.

I think the fullproof solution is to get a few hidden cameras in your place with audio and record everything, even the sex, then keep it secure and never show it to anyone ever. If it ever comes to allegations you have a bulletproof alibi and evidence.

I dont live in US, but if I were I would definitely do this with the amount of crazy and feminists you have over there.

As far as I know screenshots cant be used since they can be faked, maybe this is different.

Do you wonder why photographs can be used as evidence even though Photoshop exists?

I think the fullproof solution is to get a few hidden cameras in your place with audio and record everything, even the sex, then keep it secure and never show it to anyone ever. If it ever comes to allegations you have a bulletproof alibi and evidence.

In a number of US states, those recordings would be inadmissible evidence if the woman did not know she was being recorded.

Women are the same around the world. Moving to a poor country elevates your status above the locals simply because you have more money than other guys around there. It gives you the false impression that women are better there, but it's only because you became the new alpha of the town. If she can find someone better she will still branch swing. Or worse you are just used as a portable ATM.

Yes there are less feminists in some countries but female brains are wired the same way around the world. Do you think girls don't cheat in third world countries?

Actually if you read a fucking book on political theory you would know that Libertarian has a completely different meaning in the US than in the rest of the world. Libertarian Socialist is a totally coherent ideology.

You got pawned...I know it hurts but good luck with your liberation socialism and your one article on its wonders....bahahhahahaahhahahaha, surely it will work this time with the right people in charge and called by another name.

Evidence says that it will go to shit like the other 1000x attempts because there are basic environmental and psychological reasons why it has to go to shit but you keep on believing until experience kicks you in the butt with the reality of its inherent problems.

Eh idk I like to pump and dump for a bit but that gets old. LTRs can be fun (esp in mid-late 20s). Get to meet new people and new experiences through your partners social circle. I know I can go back to spinning plates if I want to (and my girl knows this too)

I asked him to clarify his views. Read OP's reply to my question further down. He is a straight up communist.

It seems to me the most "natural" society is one where the means of production are commonly owned and operated for the benefit of the community, and I think the anthropological evidence bears this out.

His reply to you is hilarious too. He advocates jointly owned property but that's not communism because Marx kicked some guy out of his group 150 years ago. He also advocates rolling back "the state." I'm not sure who is going to manage all this jointly owned property without a "state." I guess "the community" is the answer. But wait don't communities need some sort of leadership organization to coordinate their activities and keep order? Might you call this organization "the state?" Difficult to believe that someone could have such child-like views.

The libertarian socialist tradition is rich and traces its legacy all the way to Bakhunin (and maybe earlier) before he was kicked out of the First International by Marx and his supporters. Again, if anyone wants to talk about actual ideas, we can do that either through message or another forum. The emotional “OMG communism” response is all I’ve seen so far.

Asking us to go to another forum (we both know no one is likely to take you up on that offer due to the effort) or chat in private (same) to avoid a political discussion right here in the open where everyone can see what is said strikes me as being a classic avoidance technique, and one that displays weakness.

Libertarian socialism (or socialist libertarianism)[1] is a group of anti-authoritarian[2] political philosophies inside the socialist movement that rejects the conception of socialism as centralized state ownership and control of the economy.[3]

The type of libertarian you describe is uniquely American. Historically, and still today in Europe, libertarian means both anti-statist and anti-corporate. Libertarian socialists argue that concentrated corporate power is just as antithetical to freedom as concentrated state power. All such institutions must perpetually justify themselves or be dismantled.

All such institutions must perpetually justify themselves or be dismantled.

A corporation is other people's private property. Can you please explain the theory of libertarianism where one person has to justify their private property to others lest those dissatisfied others take it by force? How does that square with the NAP?

Fuck this noise. If someone asserts a proposition, it is upon them to defend it. It is not my burden to "research". The fact that I am sufficiently literate in libertarian philosophy is the predicate to my challenge in the first place, you bell end.

Since you bravely spoke up, now is your time to shine and explain the theory of libertarianism where one person has to justify their private property to others lest those dissatisfied others take it by force.

A hyperlink is not an argument. Right now, explain the theory of libertarianism where one person has to justify their private property to others lest those dissatisfied others take it by force. That means you tell me how you think it works. Not copypasta, not a hyperlink.

Everybody is in favor of the maintenance of personal property. By private property in this context I suppose you mean capital. Our fundamental disagreement, then, is how ownership of capital ought to be understood. Libertarian socialists believe capital ought to be owned and operated socially, as was done for a few years by the Spanish anarchists in almost the entire country before they were crushed by the government.

You are advocating that private capital be protected by state power. Unless you take the AnCap line, which I think is just a non-sequitur because capitalism would fail without the state to enforce it.

I still fail to see what this has to do with socialism. You sound like a free market capitalist who is weary of overly-concentrated power and wealth, a problem many mainstream conservatives are starting to wake up to now that they see the powerful tech monopolies starting to use their power against them. Socialism means redistributing wealth and/or government control of the means of production.

This is probably because today we usually conceive of capitalism as a fact of nature rather than a creation of the state. The libertarian socialist response would be that modern capitalism is only possible due to the enforcement of state power on behalf of the capitalist against the working class. This manifests in protection of private capital, oppression of labor movements, bailouts for the capitalists when capitalism fails (as during a crash), etc.

To me, anarcho-capitalism is simply nonsensical because of the degree to which capitalism depends on the state. I like the values of American libertarianism, but I don't see how it ends in anything other than a corporatocracy enforced by a police state. This leaves me skeptical of all forms of concentrated power, including private power. It seems to me the most "natural" society is one where the means of production are commonly owned and operated for the benefit of the community, and I think the anthropological evidence bears this out. Of course, this is only possible if both the state and private power are rolled back.

It seems to me the most "natural" society is one where the means of production are commonly owned and operated for the benefit of the community, and I think the anthropological evidence bears this out.

This is pure communism. You support a political movement which seeks make us slaves to the state, and thus you are my personal enemy. Get lost you scum.

You support a political movement which seeks to make us slaves to the state

I don’t know where you are getting this from. I’m literally advocating for the dismantling of the state. If you have an argument, I’m all ears. This is getting far off topic for my post though so we could do this either over message or a different public forum.

The NAP is mostly associated with American libertarianism. A good example of what a libertarian socialist movement might look like is the Spanish revolution near the beginning of the Spanish civil war in the 1930s. The Spanish workers actually established worker collectives, community agriculture, and worker-run factories in many parts of the country for a few years before they were crushed again by the government.

Someone doesn't understand capitalism. There is no "capitalist" class. Every single person in a capitalist country is a capitalist. They may not be very successful ones, but they are still capitalists. And free association does indeed lead to corporations. Corporations are voluntary agreements between many different parties to work for the benefit of the corporation and their own pocketbooks. The problems come when established corporations see competition and seek to squash that competition through backdoor deals with politicians to make starting up a new business nearly impossible through impossible licensing restrictions (1 million dollar taxi medallions for example, and other burdensome regulation that the established corporations have the money to deal with, or they are simply excluded from those requirements (IE GE paying no taxes).

The solution then, is to find the asshats who are doing this shit, and throw their sorry asses into prison, and not no white collar prison, throw em right in there with the rapists and murderers.

But dickheads like Bernie Sanders think the solution is to go with the Nuclear option, take all the wealth and redistribute it, and fuck over millions of families who had nothing to with the corporate/political corruption, but will certainly feel it hard in their wallets.

Because socialism doesn't just fuck the rich, it fucks the middle class too. Everyone is equal under socialism, equally poor, and equally ready to put a bullet in their skull.

The distinction I’m drawing is between owners of capital (equity holders) and the working class (wage earners). The libertarian socialist criticism is that concentrated private power will always have outsize influence on state power. So yes, it would be ideal if we just threw all the corrupt white-collar criminals in jail. But this is a fantasy. Those with power write the rules and enforce them, so why would they punish themselves?

Again, I don’t think this thread is the place for a full discussion of this topic. We should do this over message or another public forum if you’re interested.

TIL I'm more of a European libertarian. I'm radically supportive of the free market, but only for living and breathing, flesh-and-blood, human beings. I've come to view corporations as just another form of government interference in the marketplace. Corporations only exist so long as there is a state nearby that says: "write these words down in a certain way and, voila! A corporation is born!"

It's called a contract. People make those all the time, a corporation is simply a large group of people who have all agreed to work together toward the same goal.

Now someone at some point in time decided that there should be a separate entity called "corporation" and we can tax that too, which is like taxing every single person at that corporation an extra 12.5% on top of the other taxes they already pay.

So no, as far the political/legal entity called corporation goes, that should go away.

While a socialist is for government ownership over business (not free market) and redistribution of wealth through taxation (libertarians despise taxes).

That's not what socialism is. Thats just basic welfare liberalism nowadays. Socialism is an anti government libertarian ideology basically.

A libertarian is all for a free capitalist market, individual freedom/rights, and little government interference in the market and our lives

Oxymoron, a "free market" leads to businesses buying government interference to protect private property and business rights. Government is required to protect private property which requires a bit more than little government.

Herrenvolk socialism -- the idea of libertarianism comes about as a response to a change in the balance of positive and negative liberties in the Civil Rights era. Thus you have people who are libertarian with respect to freeze peach and freedom of association, but also perfectly fine with state interventions into the economy, as long as these interventions don't upset the social order of white supremacy.

One girl once told me that she never cheated in relationship. I called her out on that because she gave me a blowjob when she had a boyfriend. She told me that blowjob doesn't count. The only reason we didn't fuck then is because we didn't have condoms. It was late night and we couldn't find where to buy them.

I had a fwb of 7 months who told me she wanted to stop sex (started in july) because she found a potential boyfriend. She said she would still come over my house and give me handjobs and blowjobs. She is currently out of the country and iv been reading tons of helpful redpill posts. Currently i am in no contact cause she is out of the country. Do you guys think i’ll still be able to fuck her even if she has a BF? During our fwb period, iv fucked her at least 30 times with many handjobs and sleep overs / cuddling as well.

Yeah humorous. TRP is fairly toxic in some ways in that it encourages we cheat a fellow male brethren behind his back like OP. And then wonder why the moral fabric of the society is ripping apart. Ahem ahem. Jesus it’s fucking pathetic. What trp lacks and utterly needs is a spiritual element. At this point, it just a bunch of fucking undisciplined baboons trying to get their nut.

Yeah I get that man. Its a cold world, we all gotta struggle to get our own. But, we are also the potential gateways for characteristics of a higher beauty. Its up to you what you choose to be and no one escapes leaving a legacy...

Either you're taking, or getting taken. Unless TRP had a universally followed spiritual law that says thou shall not bang the hoe of another bro, it's pointless to pretend to have any moral high road. That said, nothing wrong with having your own morals and principles. AWALT, however, does exist for a reason, so while you might be riding the moral high road, your chick might be riding another dick. Anyway, just philosophical. Have a good trip man.

OP is the catalyst to awaken the poor BP boyfriend. Sometimes you might not like the things that need to be done. If you take a look at the grand picture, OP is actually doing BP beta a favor in terms of time he will waste on that hamster.

Stop the LTR hate. Stories like this almost always involve a beta bitch boyfriend. You can maintain a healthy LTR if you're a high value man with firm boundaries. Understand her hypergamous nature and learn to keep it in check. Redpill-aware men rarely get cheated on and it's not because there's no other alphas around to cheat with, it's because we know what the fuck we're doing. Spinning plates isn't the only end goal, study LTR game if that's what makes you happy.

If you use that as a foundation for an LTR, you will be better than half the guys over there that were drunken captains for 5 years and let their wives walk over them. Those guys have year(s) to fix their marriage if it's even possible.

There is to much of a circle jerk for people to accept that in this sub and there are to many incells to accept that in MGTOW. The thing I’ve noticed is a lot of members won’t accept that because they haven’t been able to cope with past breakups/pain. I believe this is a stepping stone here once they deal with their inside pain to move on and grow.

ok guys... sit down and relax. this is a classic example of a girl who wanted to fuck someone who didn't kiss her ass. not a big deal imo... happens all the time.

the important take from it is that she will move on and in HER MIND, this event, "didn't count."

one of the hardest things a man has to grasp about women is that they can fuck, suck, & take it up the ass like she did... but if her emotions were not in it, and if she sees the guy as the 'fuck him but not marry him' category, she WILL & CAN block this event from her reality.

this happened to her LTR boyfriend, and it can (and likely will) happen to you too; you will never know about it.

"it didn't count," is real. as men, life is real... we live in the real world, but this does NOT apply to women. when they give you a sexual partner number, this is EXACTLY why it comes across as the truth; they block-out sex that 'didn't count.' and this is EXACTLY why you must hear their number and multiply it by 3... then add 7.

to those that disagree:

a man that has a foot that is 12 inches long... wears a size 12 shoe. that's reality.

a woman that has a foot that is 10 inches long... wears a size 6 or 7 (or whatever the fuck). they can't even accept the true length of their feet (without fear of judgment) so why would you ever expect them to truly accept the number of guys they've caught cum from in life?

"This happened to her ltr and it can and likely will happen to you too"

Who gives a fuck? Why are you caring what a woman does, period, as long as she is slobbering on your cock regularly you don't need anything else from her, if she ever brought an std into your house then she's never allowed back.

You should tell her poor fuck of a boyfriend. You have the screenshots of her text messages. Do the guy a favor. This sorry excuse of a girlfriend doesn’t deserve anyone’s love, time, or effort. Just a good fuckin’.

“This type of thing has been going on forever. It is nothing new. Why do you think cultures in the middle east are so protective of their women? They know better than to trust them. In our culture in the west we have a different take on it.”

Gosh, it’s almost like the patriarchs of old were onto something.
It’s almost like perhaps, just maybe, in some ways (not all), middle eastern societies got things right and continue to get things right by suppressing women.
It’s almost like we in the West are on the wrong side of the fight.

It’s almost like we are cutting our own balls off in the culture war that is being waged, (and regardless of what your porn riddled, weed hazed, mass social media drunken brain may want to believe, there is indeed a war being waged), and ultimately we will be on the wrong side of the fight.

" Why do you think, "I have a boyfriend" is the most used shit test/rejection? Because it weeds out the guys who are too weak to break through it, the blue pilled, and the guys that do break through it won't care that she has a boyfriend. And if they don't care they won't snitch. "

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This will happen all the time. I chat with a girl and she is clearly interested. I ask a girl for her number and she says " I have a boyfriend" I respond with some remark like " its all good we won't tell him" . the girl laughs and says " i'm not like that" ,etc. after this kind of thing comes up I have pretty much given up, because 1. i dont want to seem desperate. 2. i dont want to get in trouble 3. abundance menatality

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so your saying all I have to do is ask for her number again after showing I am undaunted by this supposed boyfriend. should I just treat her resistance (if she is flirty and with a not serious tone of voice) to giving me her number as token resistance ?

Yeah, that sounds like a great idea... Not! How do you think he will react? Do you think he will be grateful? Most likely he will blame the man rather than his innocent princess, try to find out who it is and possibly use violence. In a worst case scenario the OP will be killed or crippled. And if the OP wins the fight, it's possible he will go to jail or suffer legal consequences anyways for injuring the boyfriend.

Lol. I can't understand how someone could be a TRP follower and a leftist. I don't want to undermine the "big-tent" philosophy of trying to help as many men as possible, but this just makes no sense to me.

Leftist is a broad term. I still believe in and benefit from the free-market, but I still think companies should be regulated as to not gain way too much power and influence. It's really not that hard of a concept.

this! Women who want to fuck you will fuck you unless you absolutely push her away.
But there are also on the fence women and some are closer and some are farther. Takes some skill to reel them in but def possible.

Fuck these oblivious guys, albeit not every girl is going to be like this (even though a huge chunk in my experience fall under this category). But before bothering with an LTR know who the person is and after getting into one, constantly evaluate your partner and dump her ass the moment you know where it is going to end up.

She shows up to my place, I fuck her in the ass (she loves anal, lucky me), and I send her home. She says she'll kill me if I tell anyone. Yesterday she asked me to fuck her again and I declined; too busy. Boyfriend of 3 years looks like a nice guy on FB. I wonder when they'll get married?

lmao savage and I love it. Your 'fake id' line is a great neg, and nice including the 'we're just hanging out' hamster-feed screenshot. Well played all around

most guys will be shocked by how much girls like anal if the mood and your frame (and technique and lube) are good

Also idk whether you actually believe 'libertarian socialist' is a thing, or it's just part of your game, but shit like that is a pretty good catch-all if politics comes up.

"I'm libertarian socialist. That means I believe in freedom above all. And somehow at the same time the government has to micromanage everything to make sure we all have equal outcomes. So that we're free FROM having to make our own choices!"

'libertarian socialist' or 'anarcho-socialist' is basically code for 'I think that one picture if Che is really sexy and I want to sound rebellious and freethinking' or 'I think that legalizing weed is all that libertarian means'

Ofc, as far as TRP/game goes, rationally discussing politics with a prospect is dumb anyway, and most prospects just parrot the media talking point of the week, SO if a guy wants to pull some rebel poseur stuff out of your ass as part of your game, go for it. Being self-contradictory might actually make for good game b/c it makes it hard to pin you down to a specific platform or belief to argue about

"I'm libertarian socialist. That means I believe in freedom above all. And somehow at the same time the government has to micromanage everything to make sure we all have equal outcomes. So that we're free FROM having to make our own choices!"

Perfect explanation.

'libertarian socialist' or 'anarcho-socialist' is basically code for 'I think that one picture if Che is really sexy and I want to sound rebellious and freethinking' or 'I think that legalizing weed is all that libertarian means'

Nailed it

Ofc, as far as TRP/game goes, rationally discussing politics with a prospect is dumb anyway, and most prospects just parrot the media talking point of the week, SO if a guy wants to pull some rebel poseur stuff out of your ass as part of your game, go for it.

I agree with you. When talking to prospective plates, don't get into your real politics. But among other men (here in TRP), people are going to call you out for it because it's kind of important. You may joke about it now, but if you get into real communism/socialism and people are digging up and boiling corpses for some kind of nourishment, or lined up against the wall to be shot for wrong-think, then it gets very serious very quickly. Some things are more important than pussy.

Being self-contradictory might actually make for good game b/c it makes it hard to pin you down to a specific platform or belief to argue about.

That's some food for thought. You may be right, but I'd argue that if they don't even know what they're talking about in the first place, they wouldn't be able to identify a belief or platform regardless of what you called yourself. Hell, they can't even explain the difference between a communist and a fascist.

So just out of curiosity — has anyone considered the fact that it’s sexual strategy which is making it impossible to have successful LTR with women. More specifically, if guys stopped trying to pull women in LTR then there wouldn’t be guys in LTRs getting fucked over and ending up in places like this.

This will all end up badly for men and women in the long to medium run.

No. This is free market. And this strategy teaches men to be more masculine and assertive in their relationships. Also known taking charge, being captains. What you proposing is betasization of men, being content with shitty women and shitty relationships.

Some women gonna cheat anyway if not with you then with a guitar player next door. It has nothing to do with men pulling chicks in LTRs. Nada.

Since the dawn of time it has always been like this. From ancient rome to modern times, most women are married off to men their aren't really attracted to. The difference between ancient times and now is women are free to do as they please and they open their legs to whoever. In fact, a lot of women in LTR/Marriage still prefer to be approached by men as she will take it as her still having some high SMV.

Like the gentleman above me stated..its a free market. Approaching and gaming women in LTR/Marriage is a dominant action.

Good post man, but i laughed when you said you're left wing and a "libertarian socialist". Not exactly the sub I'd expect someone with those political beliefs to be on. Most leftists are fucking cucks.

I mean, in 2008 I was definitely a liberal... I still think very similar to how I used to 10 years ago, yet now I think I would be classified as a “centrist “ or whatever the fuck I happen to be now according to current liberals

I have to agree with OP here. Libertarianism is on a wide political spectrum, and unfortunately today many think politics and ideas are based around the parties themselves. This is horrifically wrong. I'd call myself a moderate Libertarian: my views encompass ideas from people like Sanders as well as Reagan. Not gonna elaborate because that would take forever, but reducing debt through devolution and reapplying it to better areas (such as equal education opportunity) is my ideal.

Thank you. I don't get why people can't understand that libertarianism has not always meant free market capitalism with limited government. Yes, that's a legitimate version of libertarianism today, but it's not the only one.

This. Libertarianism is focused around individual liberty and free choice. That means things that the government has barred and regulated will now be free for people to do if they choose. However, it's subjective: it all boils down to what each person believes the government should be doing, and how to do it. That's why there is so many different kinds of libertarians. It sucks that the concept is seemingly so hard to realize. I don't hear about it too much unless I'm talking with other libertarians.

Okay, good story. Thanks for sharing.
Quick question: for push I typically use playful-arrogance and inverting the challenge but for for pull I’m only using a passive, keep your mouth shut. Are there other techniques for pull? How you guys pull when not pushing?

When I pull, I'm not afraid to ask her a real question or show some form of genuine interest. You have to play this carefully but it will give her a rush of 'good feelings' and get her to invest more in you. Then the next you push, it will have a greater effect because she will be chasing that feeling again. I'm no PUA but this is what works for me.

Oh cool, I think I’ve been doing this without realizing then... every now and then I throw a positive unrejectable comment in a girl I’m ghosting to see if a 9 plate gets interested again (I’m 3 plates beyond her, but hey...)

You promised no sex in writing. I don't know how it went after that, but imagine what could happen if the b/f caught her? Or if at any time in the future she decides (trustworthy woman that she obviously is) that she wants to blackmail you.

Libertarian socialism - “people have the right to be free in their persons and property, as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else. Except for me, and a few commissars, we get to take your shit at gunpoint because we know better than you as to what should be done with it.”

Lol, they're more concerned about what a libertarian socialist is, can't make that stuff up.

Nice field report, I can't help but see all the subtle, yet flagrant, IOI that women in committed relationships give. Like its difficult to not read into any of it too much but damn is it consistent. Quick example, at pharmacy picking up meds last night and a hot spanish HB8 was there on her own. One of the first things I noticed was the ring on her left hand.

Well, that didn't stop her from lifting the back of her shirt up, giving me a nice view of the trunk, followed by vigorous rubbing/massaging. She didn't see me directly before beginning but she sensed when I arrived, began fidgeting, and then after looking back, the rub down.

I find that many instances like this are occurring all the time, and had been for years. Only now after years of breaking through the conditioning am I seeing the small but important details. I love it.

There was a real interesting post a day or so ago about GenZ and hypergamy. It was shocking to realize how hypergamous that generation will be but it makes total sense when we look at the world today.

A part of me was concerned b/c I still had some hopes for some version of TradCon principles could still survive but hearing 13 & 15 year old girls spout TRP knowledge was just a final nail in the coffin.

I felt much better when I realized that I will no longer be the younger, BP kid who will be cheated out of what has been promised/expected; instead I and anyone who cares to learn can be on the flip-side of the next big social shift in popular opinion of what is acceptable/good.

In these forums we often look down on "Chads" mostly out of envy and jealousy. However I view them as bro's who help the less gifted by educating them about what total THOT's modern women are. Little do these cum dumps realize but these guys ultimately are fighting for our side. BRAVO!!

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BTW take my advice, if you ever have the same encounter at HER place.....when she goes to the bathroom wipe your dick off on the curtains. Leave a little you+her as a memento......

i don't know about you , but I am chad. two years ago, I did not talk to women at all. It only became possible for me to talk to women because of game.

the first girl whose eye I caught had a beta boyfriend. so from the very start i was aware of this concept of girls "upgrading". However, I was still too insecure and this prospect crashed and burned.

I did as game taught me., not buying things for girls, not putting myself below them. I rapidly became very confident in platonic interaction with women.

However, success still eluded me. i was too nervous about escalating, and too cautious when making a move.

I never held resentment toward chads, I recognized their strengths that led them to getting women, as the redpill had taught me. I sought to be one of them. I resented the beta boyfriends. I could not understand HOW THE FUCK could some of these guys who I viewed myself as far superior too, have a girl when I didn't.

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i would get a girls number after clear IOIs, only to then to become unsure of what to do once I had her number. I would ask girls to meet up for ice cream or lunch and they would decline. I would then go to a party and see her with the beta boyfriend. I was furious. If I had seen a chad, then, I would understand why I was turned down, and accept defeat.

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then one day, I invited one of the girls who had turned down my lunch dates straight to my house for a "movie". after a few shit tests, she came over. she said " i was out to dinner earlier with my boyfreind, but i just made a dumb excuse and came to see you" that was when I realized game doesn't teach you how to be the boyfriend, it teaches you how to be the guy girls cheat on their boyfriend with.

It was really simple to be honest. I put on “Friends” in the living room because that’s good background noise. I let her in and we went and sat on the couch and talked for a bit while we watched. She was already leaning on me so I escalated and started fucking her after brief foreplay. She told me she liked it in the ass so I grabbed lube and fucked her in the ass. Sat down for a few minutes after and relaxed and then told her I needed to sleep and she ubered home.

She likes my profile. I play it cool and busy. Make time for her to meet up. Meet up near her place (logistics). Hit up a bar near her home, instant attraction, I can tell by her actions (hair, smile, slight gasp etc.) grab a drink, kino right away after we sit NEXT to each other at the bar, light banter, push pull when she does things I don't care for, she pulls out her phone, I appear busy and seem like I'm going to end the date. She knows she fucks up and covers the drink. I ask her if she's a passionate woman, go in for a kiss, tease her a bit and pull away.

Change locations. She's like 'no sex' I'm like 'just looking for a good time nothing needs to happen', go to a festival, have fun with live music, walk her to the park, 'not going to fuck', 'jeeze you always this sex driven', make out in the park, rub her breasts, def can tell she's turned on. Keep pulling away.

Walk her to her house. Make to leave. See little resistance but nothing solid. Ask her if I can use her bathroom. "OK but room mate", joke "If she's single, I like where this is going..." laugh. Go into the room, make as if she's a friend and I've been there multiple times. Use bathroom. Make out with her in the living room. "No sex huh" can see her eyes start to fight with her vag which is practically an oven. Start teasing her. Tell her I have ink. Gives me an excuse to show off my body (Thank you lift), tease her more, 'I can't have sex because <reason> but it doesn't have to suck for you.' I tell her show me. She proceeds to blow me then a few minutes later does so again.

That's a pattern that repeats a whole fucking ton of times. Basically if a woman goes 'we're not having sex' she's THOUGHT about it which is a great sign. Your job is to make her regret those words by actions and not so much with words. Tease and pull. Tease and pull. You've got another bitch lined up and if she doesn't behave then she'll get your hard dick. Your date picks up on this behavior and does her best to talk herself INTO fucking you.

Didn't format because I'm going to go out and do this with different girl #2 for this week.

I used to feel some type of "hate" for women when i first found TRP...but not anymore. I don't feel anger or resentment for women...i accept them for who they are, improve myself and spin multiple plates. I'm like OP, I'm the guy women cheat with.

Lots of hamstering in this post...most obviously skewed to give the impression that the author is one bad ass dude...

First believing that you are cucking her BF is a leap of bias...he may be fucking just as many Stacies as the Op and basically sees her nothing but a plate....but it surely makes the Op feel superior in feeling that he is getting one over on the "poor" BF. Unknowable at this point, though.

But the girl is obviously a slut who regularly goes out looking for dicks on the internet to fuck either because she does indeed have a shit BF or because she knows that she is nothing but a plate to the BF who isn't that concerned with who or when she fucks. As she did go looking for the OPs dick who was apparently this week's target but likely she had another one last week and will find another next week. There wasn't even any game other than being available.

What struck me is that this girl's SMV must be fairly low in that she couldn't just snap up a random unknown to her social group dude to fuck while out at the bars, restaurants or club but had to resort to finding an already known former acquaintance in her social sphere which might spread back to her BF or guy.

So congrats to the Op for getting gamed and fucked by this girl...she needed dick and you provided her an easy lay.

Doesn't mean that every girl is going around hitting up guys weekly on the internet to track down and fuck...this is an outlier not an example.

I brought a girl home after a date in the mountains. Face fucked and on the ride back home I told her if she had broken up with her boyfriend (they had a huge fight prior). She gets mopey and says no. I assumed I wasn’t getting some but she did not stop me from driving back to my place.

We arrive and immediately clothes are being flung off. As I lay on my back for some head, she ties her hair back and says “God, my boyfriend is going to kill me,” and just begins sucking me off.

They* did a shitty thing. He knew she was in a relationship. I know that sort of behavior is tolerated, and even applauded, on this subreddit sometimes, but it doesn't excuse the behavior of either of them.

A monogamous relationship is a contract of trust between two people. That's an agreement between them. What goes on in her life is in no way, shape or form OP's business.

If my best friend asks me to pour him a glass of whiskey after promising his wife he will stop drinking, I am not betraying his wife's trust. He is. I have made no promise to his wife.

Is it noble in a warped naive sense to not fuck people in relationships? Sure. She will still hop on someone's dick and it won't be yours. Congratulation, you're a white knight. But that doesn't mean that fucking her is doing a shitty thing.

She's a grown person, with her own will and agency. If she lies to her boyfriend about being faithfull, that's her choice, not OP's.

Yeah, but OP is complicit in fucking the other dude over. You can try to explain it away however you see fit, and if that helps you sleep at night, then go for it. But at the end of the day, any respectable empathetic human being wouldn't be a part of that. A real man would be man enough to tell her to get lost, not make some ethically dubious excuse of how it's not their problem but hers so they can get their dick wet. It's an incredibly immature and pathetic way to go about life.

Haha, what an asinine smug thing to say. Whatever man. I've had no issues in this realm. However, I know how to be decent to other human beings. If you want to tell yourself that it isn't your problem fucking girls that are in a relationship then tell yourself whatever you need to. But just understand that at the end of the day, you're a piece of shit for doing so. Hopefully experience will be a better teacher than me.

Oh man, you're full of yourself, aren't you? Nah dude. I'm not that concerned about it at all. I just made the comment that it was a shitty thing to do... on both people's part. You're the one that feels the need to keep pressing the matter. I suppose it's cause you don't have many better things to do than sit around on reddit and argue with some pathetic sense of superiority.

Know the difference and learn from mistakes by hide your intentions, and recognize pattern of a fellow plate spinning wild savages, because we are not many, but can relate.

Don’t do it if you are not into networking, for me, network is where money and status barricades. Without network (I network every.chance. No exceptions, ONS? Get her to introduce you to her network, EX? Know her Beta and more network)

Some people really like to be order around, and be fuck with, they feel alive when getting manipulated. You need to find it and use the fuck out of them.

For the absolute life in me I can’t not understand why dudes are still wifing up these hoes. Man it’s 2018, ain’t no hoe out here loyal, and if she is loyal, it just means she hasn’t found a branch(DICK) to swing on yet. I remember when I use to feel bad about dicking another dudes bitch down, no longer. I ain’t necessarily CHAD, but keep wifing these hoes and guys with my mentality gonna just send her back when we are done.

Please explain this whole "Libertarian Socialist" thing to me. That sounds like a contradiction in terms, because as I understand it, socialism requires authoritarianism to work, otherwise you simply have capitalism with charity.

Here's the wiki for starters. Additionally, George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" is an account of the Spanish civil war of the 1930s which lead to a libertarian socialist society for a few years before it was crushed by the government.

I bromance someone by letting him know our manhood was parked at same vig, like, few day per part. I seek him out and let him know her girl is cheating.

The dude wake the fuck up right away and I saw him few month later with cuter younger girl at local gym, I am with other girl too. We tilt hat to each other and somehow I felt like boondocks saints broatha.

That is too much of a risk and a bad idea imo. If OP tells beta bf that his girl is a whore...it can result in word being spread that OP is a homewrecker, Beta BF may not believe it and physically hurt OP, If he confronts his cheating skank gf about it she might claim rape.

I think its best for OP to just be quiet. As per your last statement i agree to an extent, but there will be resentment in this situation should OP and beta BF of the cheating whore become buddies.

I was married for 22 years. My ex and I had anal about a dozen times over that period. My ex didn’t really like it and only did it for me. I assumed all women were like this, only doing it for the man.

Then I got divorced and started dating. Some women really love anal. Some prefer it over regular sex. Also, anal is the best way to be dominant. A girl will always know you’re the boss when you’re balls deep in her ass.

Well we live in a time of moral and social anarchy, so other than public racism or sexism, nothing is really socially unacceptable anymore. Now, is it common to do anal on the first date? Absolutely not. Anal is mostly something that men push their girl to do until she relents, although there is a minority of women that are into it.

I thought everyone had to do this before anal? Your ass has shit in it most of the time, no? I don't know. I'm fine with pussy. If some chick asks me to fuck her in the ass I probably won't say no. But it's definitely not something I seek out.

And kissing is gay too because men have mouths too /s. But just think about it, it's not natural, man, just because it's a hole big enough it doesn't mean you can put your dick in it. Anal is disgusting and everybody knows it except america, the greatest exporter of feminists and fags.

For some that's a reason, yes. Circumcision is a disgusting practice, but of course male circumcision and its negative effects resulting in less sexual pleasure for men is downplayed and portrayed as a good thing because "it makes them last longer". No shit you last longer when you are desensitized.