According to Zetatalk, most souls that die in the pole shift will reincarnate as octopi on a water world.

The Zetas mix truth with falsehood, they say they are obliged by the Council of the Worlds to keep the "Element of doubt".

That above may be one of these cases, I havent heard in another sources about that. What I heard is that each one will go to the planet compatible with ones vibration. Evil people will go to dying worlds.Not so much evil people will go to primitive planets, live as primitive people.

Perhaps some will indeed reincarnate as inteligent octopus as the Zetas say, there are another forms of life in the galaxy. Hopefully in this case there are no japanese restaurants in the planet : -)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1186407

Well, the Hosts also mixed truth with falsehoods, with their "time is short" refrain that they promoted years ago.It's fairly clear that nobody has been lifted after all these years.The octopi scenario is certainly a novel idea but the Zetas never said what the would octopi eat on this water world planet.If they have to prey on other life forms to eat, then that kind of ruins the picture of a blissful water world existence.Out of curiousity, I asked a few diehard Zetatalk fans what the octopi would eat and nobody responded.I would agree that the scenario where each person goes to a place closest to their "vibration" probably makes the most sense.Life as an octopus might have advantages...no more back problems.

Well I dont think that the Zetas have said that an existence as octopi would be blissful. It will have some advantages, for example one can use the computer keyboard and at same time with another tentacle hold a beer can, with another a snacks pack and so forth. If this will be true indeed probably they will eat what octopi eats now, plastics, radioactive waste, etc.

Well I dont think that the Zetas have said that an existence as octopi would be blissful. It will have some advantages, for example one can use the computer keyboard and at same time with another tentacle hold a beer can, with another a snacks pack and so forth. If this will be true indeed probably they will eat what octopi eats now, plastics, radioactive waste, etc.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1187294

Please understand, NO ZETA's are here anymore, removed with their reptilian overlords a few years ago. All Zeta information is black ops CIA type medling in New age.

Well I dont think that the Zetas have said that an existence as octopi would be blissful. It will have some advantages, for example one can use the computer keyboard and at same time with another tentacle hold a beer can, with another a snacks pack and so forth. If this will be true indeed probably they will eat what octopi eats now, plastics, radioactive waste, etc.

Please understand, NO ZETA's are here anymore, removed with their reptilian overlords a few years ago. All Zeta information is black ops CIA type medling in New age.

Well I dont think that the Zetas have said that an existence as octopi would be blissful. It will have some advantages, for example one can use the computer keyboard and at same time with another tentacle hold a beer can, with another a snacks pack and so forth. If this will be true indeed probably they will eat what octopi eats now, plastics, radioactive waste, etc.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1187294

An octopus would also make a good painter, with brushes or paint rollers in each arm.Out of curiousity, I read the weekly Zeta chat and it's mostly about the post pole shift (Mad Max scenario) and how to become a survivalist.While I'm sure there are people that can't wait to become rugged cave men again, I would just as soon die and move on.They don't talk about the water world very much, probably because most Zeta fans feel they will move up higher on the ascension ladder and skip the octopus part.

Well I dont think that the Zetas have said that an existence as octopi would be blissful. It will have some advantages, for example one can use the computer keyboard and at same time with another tentacle hold a beer can, with another a snacks pack and so forth. If this will be true indeed probably they will eat what octopi eats now, plastics, radioactive waste, etc.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1187294

Hi Brazil,

No offense but nobody should take the Zeta seriously, about anything.

Anyway, since you started it, what are your thoughts on the latest SG post:

Hi, Im not a Zetafreak, but I think that the main mistake people do is to look at Nancy or the Zetas instead of looking at what they are pointing.

Below goes St. Germain latest then, my take is "whatever", to make peace with death is a good thing since everyone will die one day, Ascension is much more death than common death, since it is the death of the Human Ego, which doesnt occur in common death.

Plans and dates change every day therefore there is not much conclusive information in this message.

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Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Deleting Contractions About Death

Messages about the continent shifts are accurate. Earth will move the continents to new locations, as there are many dramas now occurring in the planet's core. When this happens, many of the light bearers will accept their role as leaders.

Being in the right place, is now the movement happily being called "congregating" by those who are coming together in communities. Not being in the right place may mean missing the opportunity to deliver the healing that the body was meant to share. When the movements occur, there will be many deaths, and many will ascend during their death experiences.

When we talk about death, contractions begin, so let's talk about this now, so the body can learn to relax when this word is mentioned. Calm, clear channels of divine energy must be clear of contractions.

What does it mean to die? Only that one more great experience is over. It does not mean the demise of any of your mastery, only the non-aware, contracted, anxious manifestation of mind's creation. There is no demise of YOU!

Who you are cannot die. You are not any of the manifestations of your mind, or the contracted body. None of your mind's concepts about you are true! When a body is born, this next manifestation of a human needs a soul. It was pre-conceived by many non-incarnated souls, many lifetimes ago, to become a family and new friends again, to complete the lessons needed by all involved. No new child is alone in this drama. All have angels and other guides and assistants, on other dimensions, to lead the body to the choices necessary for consciousness expansion. Two or three guides are there at birth, and others are called on as needed. When the mental body has been contacted by an angel, the mind can choose to accept or reject the movement being called for. Once accepted, the contract, that all those involved have agreed to demonstrate their consciousness in, has been activated. Completion of all of these lessons comes when all the learners have the consciousness of love.

New lessons continue until there are no unloving attitudes active in the body. No longer are any lessons needed. Contractions are gone, and divine nature is free to be fully conscious in all moments. Peace has been achieved.

Once there are no more lessons to learn, and all contractions are gone, all of the other players are free to learn their next lessons, as their dramas are not yet over. When one of them completes, this means there is a major change happening in the mass consciousness. What has this to do with death?

Once the contractions are gone, the divine nature has been freed to be an angel in human form. When this occurs, contact with others has no "needs" involved, only giving is the case. When this game has been completed, death must occur. Why? No need to continue the game.

When the land masses are moved, the game will be over for many. They need no more challenges to learn from. They are now the change agents that lead lessons to others. More than 20 million, when the days of darkness come, will leave this drama, if they have done the learning needed to ascend. When ascension comes, they will either be called to disappear, or die in a natural way. Neither of these ways is more divine than the other. One will call attention to the change in mass consciousness that has occurred, the other will not. All who do not ascend with the group can also ascend at death. This ascension will only make the news if an error in one's death experience needs to be known. When no error is made, like disappearing in the darkness without witnesses, one can be an example of less concern. Death has no more lessons to be learned from it when there is no fear of it. My message today is to delete any contractions you may have about death.

Talking about this subject is helpful. Are you ready to fully accept death? Can this be just another detail to be completed? Are you moved to live longer? Why? To love more? You can be an example of love to many after death also. You will only be the love consciousness without any contractions. There's no need to wear clothes for love.

More of these messages will deliver content about death, to bring the contractions you have about death to an end. Most of you have the mind's fear of death very well established in your genetic make-up. You need to release this attitude before ascension can be complete. Wake-up and know, that death does not make you concious or unconscious, it merely delivers you to the level of consciousness you already have.

Give me the commitment to delete death contractions, by taking on this new attitude: "my life on Earth has one more lesson to learn; it is the ability to move out of a body with love, as the only part of mind's dream left to dissolve".

Latest of Amethyst Group, the other source which mentions the Three Waves of Ascension. Not much info about that in this message, just remembering, Sananda predicts the First and Second Waves in the next three to five years, then one or two Tribulation years, then the Third Wave.

LORD SANANDA: Good morning my friends. How lovely it is to be with you once again, and before we begin our little meeting this morning, for I know that time is of the essence for you, I would like to say, with deep gratitude, thank you for the work that you did in the City, I thank you for the efforts you made and the trust that you put in me to take you there and bring you home safely, so with deep gratitude.

IVOR: Thank you dear Master for being able to share the whole experience.

LORD SANANDA: Well now, I would like to say to you that as this year of 2010 draws to its close, you will have received much information – what to expect in 2011 – and I am sure those of you perhaps who have had the time to read back over some of the transcripts that you have received in the past few months, you will see that the prophecies that I gave you will have come to pass, and although it has been hard for you to cope and manage logistically over the last few weeks, certainly over the country of Great Britain with the weather that I told you would be coming your way, I would ask all of you, urge all of you, to be prepared for what is to be coming further towards the close of this year and the early part of next.

It will not only be the weather but there will be much political shift in many other countries, and I ask you to bear in mind that you must let things come and go as they will, for this is the information that mankind must absorb and understand that these are further signs that his world is changing, and in some cases regimes and governments are coming to a close, and the fate of those peoples and those nations will be in the hands of those who are more wiser and loving and more understanding.

I ask all of you as well to look at your own personal circumstances, and I ask you to be united, to be well grounded in love and understanding, to be forthcoming in love and praise of those you work and live with, and to understand that the Ascension, although it will be a great change for mankind by its very nature, it cannot possibly fail to be a great change for you either, you as personal individuals. You will find yourselves perhaps in circumstances that you do not understand and you do not want, and I say to you, be not afraid for these are learning curves that you will have to go through, and yes, I am not ashamed to use a modern phrase, “learning curves”,

Those of you who have not experienced things that will be necessary for you to fulfil your potential at the Ascension, you will begin to experience them now. For some of you it will be ecstasy, for others the experiences that you will endure perhaps will not be of your liking, and I would say to you, I liken this only to a child who has to take medicine which it does not like but which, in the long run, the cure will be the better thing, and I do not say this to make you feel apprehensive or afraid of the future, they are just things that you must experience and you must learn. You will not experience everything, and you will not understand everything before you ascend, but for each individual to fulfil his/her potential, then there will be things that you will need to understand and experience. This is why, in the past few months, I have urged you to go to a Meditation Group to learn all you can of your spiritual understanding and undertaking, so that you may open yourself up to much strength, to much healing, and much understanding of things that perhaps in the past you have disregarded or put to one side because the timing had not been right for you.

I would like to speak briefly on timing, and I would like to urge each of you , please approach these coming years with calmness. I do not wish you to approach them with the futility of the human mind, and think “Oh, we have not much time left”. You have all eternity left, but yes, the days that you know, in the world that you know, are coming to a close, but I urge you to be calm just as in any – how can one say – in any emerging situation that is perhaps different for you to understand, and different for you to experience - perhaps your immediate reaction would be panic – “I must get this done, I must get that done, I don’t have much time”. Be very aware that you must remain calm but you must not instil in others a feeling of panic and alarm. It is a very natural thing that the world that you know will come to its close; it is perhaps a very unnatural thing that you are the humanbeings at the time the humanrace will witness the end of its days - that is the unnatural part.

Your world has come to an end many times before; in human terms many millions of years ago your world undertook a great change. The entire force of the nature of the animals that were on the earth at that time was changed, and none of you witnessed that. Some of you have witnessed the change in humans, some of you have witnessed the birth of humans, some of you have witnessed the birth of new life in different planets - life that you do not even recognise as a lifeform - so all that is unnatural is the fact that I am telling you about it and the fact that those of you who are here and now in the present will witness the closing days, and I say to you again, be not afraid - be calm, be patient - trust in yourselves, love each other, be united in what you believe, be strong in what you believe and accept what you can and build on that acceptance.

The coming few weeks are a time of great festivity here on this earth, mainly for those who would call themselves Christians, and there are others who have at this time in your yearly calendar, great festivities of light and enlightenment, and for this reason I shall leave you but for a brief period, and I mean that I will not deliver messages or information to you for the next coming weeks for I will leave you to enjoy the festivities - the love that is generated at this time of the year - but I would ask all of you to remember why it is you celebrate this time, whatever your belief - whether you be Christian, whether you be Hindi, whether you be Islam, whether you be Judaic – I ask you all to remember why you celebrate this time of the year, and I ask you to be aware that there are traps out there, in the great big world, to make yourself penniless and in debt for that which you think others should receive, when really the greatest gift that you can give another is time and love.

Now, my sister, have you any questions for me?

SHEILA: Yes I have, dear Lord. We have now received information from the States that the latest satellite data established that the north Atlantic Current or the North Atlantic Drift, together with the Norway Current, has gone because most of the oil spillage has sunk to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. As these two warm water currents are part of the planet’s heat regulatory system, which keeps Ireland and the UK mostly ice-free, and also the Scandinavian Countries from being too cold, with the Gulf Stream virtually gone they are saying this will start another Ice-Age. Could we have your comments please?

LORD SANANDA: Yes, as you know, I have already commented on this in the transcript before the one on the meeting in the great City when I spoke to you of the Gulf Stream, and I did say at that time that the Gulf Stream had moved and had not returned to its normal pattern. This is merely an elaboration on that question, or if you would prefer it, it is more of a confirmation of the information that I gave.

It is not going to start another Ice-Age, no, but you have seen, certainly here in Great Britain and in Ireland, the effect of that already, and I am afraid that will continue for some time to come, and when I speak of some time to come I speak here of certainly this winter, and you will find that there will be weather conditions which are extremely unfamiliar to many or weather conditions that have not been seen for many decades, and if those people giving this information would care to look back a decade ago, they will find that another severe winter was encountered when you had yet another oil spill in another part of the world, which was the Exon Oil Spill, you will find that that too disrupted much of the weather pattern.

People in the world, in the industry of oil etc, their position is extremely difficult. They are pressured by what you would call the consumer market to bring oil to parts of the world that need it for industrial and domestic purposes. They are pressured to do this, but yes, when the pressure is on - and of course that main pressure is money for the market and for the consumer goods etc - the risk to the environment is often put to one side, and unfortunately these events happen on such a catastrophic scale to remind mankind that the earth is itself in a very very delicate balance, and this has been proven over the last few weeks, and I would urge you again to remember - and I cannot seem to get this information to the people that could make a difference - but these things, unless you become aware of the planet and its environment, these things will continue to happen on a greater scale until the Ascension Plan is complete, and they will continue to happen afterwards as well. This will be part of the time of Tribulation, but it will not herald another Ice-Age.

SHEILA: I asked this question dear Lord because it was mentioned that the Gulf Stream was gone, it had disappeared.

LORD SANANDA: No, it has not gone, the Gulf Stream has not gone, it has merely been shifted, its course has been shifted. Imagine, if you will, a dam of sludge in a river. It is certain water will make its way through and it will make its way through sludge, and if its pathway is blocked then it will go around that blockage or it will ride over the top. The Gulf Stream has gone around that blockage and of course it has pushed, if you like, further out to the west and further up to the northern part of your planet, so instead of coming around more to the east, and over to the north-east of your planet – and I have to say this for the hemisphere that I am talking about - more than going further over to the north-east, across the Scapa Flow, up through to Norway and the Scandinavian countries like that where it does provide a buffer for those countries, it has moved completely further up into the north, and you will find that in the early part of 2011 you will hear big news of an early thaw in the northern pole. This itself will bring a problem of flooding.

SHEILA: Thank you for that. The next question - we keep getting people saying there is a danger coming from Mars. What danger dear Lord, and how will it affect us? Do you know of any imminent danger?

LORD SANANDA: No, the only danger that you may experience from another planet is actually from your own star, the sun, which again I have reiterated in an earlier transcript. There is a danger coming from a solar flare but it will not affect you, it may affect the planet Mars depending on its orbitory pathway at the time, but I certainly have not implemented anything, and I would know.

SHEILA: The last question is about a new planet that has been discovered. According to the newspapers the Astrologers are now saying they have found a new planet that has diamonds on it. What is the truth behind that?

LORD SANANDA: I think one should be very careful when talking of diamonds. Much of the surfaces of the other planets in your galaxies, which astrologers have studied, are covered in rocks, minerals and ores, and as you know, diamonds come from carbon and I think this information may well have been misinterpreted. Possibly covered in carbon would be one of the planets of Jupiter but I think that it would be difficult for an astrologer to actually pinpoint the fact that a planet is covered in diamonds, so I think you must beware of what you read.in newspapers and where this information comes from. It must be credible and it is often good to have some information to be reported which would divert the nation from the more gloomier aspects of life that is happening at the moment, so it is just a talking point. There is not a planet encrusted with diamonds but there are various surfaces in your galaxies which are covered with carbon and of course, this can be produced to make diamonds, but I ask “What would be the purpose? You have enough diamonds in industry to use all you need, and surely there are enough diamonds to grace the fingers, necks and ears of the population of this world, if not the next, where you will not need them.

IVOR: Going back to the meeting dear Master, the people that were there were amazed that they were able to speak to you, one to one, and I know that was beyond their expectations.

LORD SANANDA: Would that I could speak to everyone like that, but …….

IVOR: Those that read your transcripts, given the will, they will comprehend it just the same dear Master.

LORD SANANDA: I know they will, I know there will be many who will read them and I know in the coming days there will be many more who will read them but, I would take you back to a line or two in the Bible - he that has ears to hear and eyes to see.

There will be more requests to speak to individuals, to groups, that is why I am asking you to rest, and I know this will come to pass, but I know there are many, many more that I wish I could reach, and perhaps there would be those who would say “Well why don’t you reveal yourself, why don’t you come as you did before, why don’t you come in the second coming” but the time is not quite right, and I have said before that I will reveal myself, I will reveal myself to the world as the Ascension takes place and the Tribulation comes, I will reveal myself, but I came before, I sacrificed much, and I showed the world how life could be, and yet, down through the centuries, although there are many who glorify my name for all the wrong reasons, I would that I could still come and say “Look at me, look at me, the man, look at me your Brother, look at me your Sister,” but it is not in the plan, so it is to you my friends that I bring my messages of hope, and it is to you that I speak from my heart, and it is to you, as we decreed before this phase of your life began, that I would bring the truth in the final days to come, and for that I thank you. You may put that in the transcript if you wish.

I will let you into a little secret that I would share with you. We have fun, Susan and I, when we read the transcripts because sometimes I translate it in Aramaic and she is completely befuddled. I put before her the transcript and then sometimes I translate it in Aramaic, and she pulls it up and she thinks not again, the computer cannot have gone down again, and then she feels me close and says “Lord Sananda, English please”.

So now I think it is time for me to depart. Remember the things I have said my friends, as this year 2010 draws to its close, and I would urge you to remember that the greatest gift above all is love, and I leave you with my love, leave you with peace, and I hope imbibe you with harmony and hope for the future. My blessings as always.

Latest of Amethyst Group, the other source which mentions the Three Waves of Ascension. Not much info about that in this message, just remembering, Sananda predicts the First and Second Waves in the next three to five years, then one or two Tribulation years, then the Third Wave.

Below goes St. Germain latest then, my take is "whatever", to make peace with death is a good thing since everyone will die one day, Ascension is much more death than common death, since it is the death of the Human Ego, which doesnt occur in common death.

Plans and dates change every day therefore there is not much conclusive information in this message.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1203581

Hmm, have to disagree. The fact that SG is beginning a series of messages on "uncommon" death is telling. I mean after preparing his audience for that, really what's left?

Point being this has much implied timing information. Would you prepare someone for death with 10 years left to live? 5? 3? 2? 1?

Indicates that there are years more of this.For us older people, this is getting really stale.I've been hearing this sort of thing since 1987.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1042545

Last thing I remember, I was running for the doorI had to find the passage backTo the place I was before'Relax,' said the night man,'We are programmed to receive.You can check-out any time you like,But you can never leave!'

In this particular St. Germain´s latest he speaks about continent movements, I wonder that if it is linked to Zetas prediction of imminent movements or refers to future events.

There is a timing in another St. Germain messages as well, he said in a recent message that there is a window in the end 2011 and they will try to make the Ascension of one million. But in another message just prior to that he also propose to make 2012 a target date to have 20 million ascending, but commented also that it would take some more years after 2012 to have even a quarter of that ready. Therefore if end 2011 will be another failure, the other time frame given by St. Germain will not be much different from that given by Sananda in Amethyst Revelations, First and Second Wave in three, four or five years at most, one or two years of Tribulation and then Third Wave.

Of course there isn´t any guaranty that these dates are correct.

Conclusion: none.

Perhaps a more Classical approach of this subject will be more profitable, the study of old and modern Classics, such as Bible, Bhagavad Gita, Yoga Classics, Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Bridge to Freedom, Summit Lighthouse, atemporal teachings, not linked to time frames.

After all, preparation for Ascension or death is all contained in these works. Modern messages just repeat what has already been said, with the disadvantage of confusing the issue, clear in older teachings.

Modern messages should be the "cherry on the cake", just the final touch, instead they become like the Three Stooges preparing the cake.

With regards to your information about land mass (continents) shifting, since such movements would take many years before the land mass shift is noticeable and complete, I would think that any changes within these two years leading up to 2012 would be quite nominal, and any land movements would be taken by the mass public as typical earthquakes and seismic movements. How could such deaths on a large scale occur in a short span of time? Or would there be large scale earth movements leading up to 2012? Would you be able to let us know which continents or countries would be affected by this?

By the way, there are a lot of talks and behind the scenes rumors about the dark cabal (Illuminati) finally being taken down by by groups of secret societies would wish to bring their tyranny to an end, would you be able to comment on the latest developments in this regards as well? Would we be seeing better days ahead of us if these news are true?

Looking forward to hear more from you soon.

Best Regards...

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Thursday, December 23, 2010

How Grace Leads The Way

My dear ones. Counting down to 2012 does not deliver an accurate conclusion about continent movement. Neither the content of my messages, nor the content of any other messages, has given you dates that can be counted on. All dates are a guess. Give up predictive consciousness, and get your heart open about the present. Are you concerned about anything? Give up that concern. Are any fears able to give you the energy of non-awareness? Are the new and different remarks on this blog scary? If any of these apply, no ascension can occur.

Change must be made for ascension. An Awakening is needed. Awaken to the heart that has all of the answers the mind is looking for. When an Awakening happens, there is one less dreamer to make their concern a disturbance to the consciousness that creates the future.

Change to the continents may take many human days and months. Some are to be general and apply to all of the continents, such as money delivery, and availability of goods and gas. Others can look different, but are as much at cause of the disturbing challenges as these are. Man cannot get away from all of these changes. No area is completely immune.

What needs to happen now is the awakening of more hearts. A cause of distress to "the other side" is the mass consciousness of "I'm good and they are not". When divisive attitudes are coming forth from the minds of many, these are not answers that give ascension a chance. Welcome the thoughts, observe their existance, and confront them to learn the truth about differences. All differences belong to the mind. All mental attitudes about "others" are nonsense. No truth begins with: "My opinion is . . ." All opinions contain a mistaken concept.

Pure consciousness notices what is, and only acts as the heart directs. No disturbance can't be noticed. Grace leads the way when the heart has brought the guidance forth. Give grace your appreciation, and lead the next dance with a clear donation of grace to all concerned.

Make peace with the past. All beliefs of being controlled are about your control issues. All beliefs about "not good enough" are not accurate. All attitudes that dismiss "another's" concepts are mental as well. When there is "other", there is a concept. Mental attitudes against anything come from mind's opinions of good vs. bad. Opinions are divisions made between two parts of the same thing. Holy attitudes have no divisions, they include all as the most divine. Nothing is left out.

Concern is not belief driven, nor is it the decision making characteristic mind has on automatic, as a momentary demonstration of choice. Concern is the lack of acceptance of "all that is". Concern depends on comparison: is this as it "should be"? When man is concerned about anything, there is an opinion about his condition in that moment. Concern decreases light. Concern makes the news more deceptive when things appear different than the mind desires. Attitudes about the news filter the facts. What is news? Merely an observer's opinion. Most news becomes different from fact the moment someone observes it. Many different versions are always available.

Consciousness does not need to determine the accuracy of anything, as all things delivered by mind are not accurate. It's all false? Yes, an observation through any filter has no validity. Change your level of awareness by simply dismissing everything your mind beieves to be factual. Only awareness of a circumstance is sufficient, without the mental conclusions your observations bring.

What does an Awakening do? It deletes false concepts about all the things your mind conceives. All perceptions are merely accepted in awareness, without comment. No thoughts define them.

Being Awake is the "natural state" before mind enters the picture. Can you be this aware, and this detached, from your mind's observations? Can you drop the opinions without any comment? Creating a new world depends on this.

When there is no thought about the heart's call to action, man has been delivered to divine consciousness. Come along for the ride - it's heaven on Earth.

But in another message just prior to that he also propose to make 2012 a target date to have 20 million ascending, but commented also that it would take some more years after 2012 to have even a quarter of that ready. Therefore if end 2011 will be another failure...Of course there isn´t any guaranty that these dates are correct.

Conclusion: none.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1204545

Well in the Death Contractions piece it was stated:"More than 20 million, when the days of darkness come, will leave this drama, if they have done the learning needed to ascend. When ascension comes, they will either be called to disappear, or die in a nautral way. Neither of these ways is more divine than the other."

So that would correspond to the 2012 target date, and actually tips off that the deaths will come by continent movements (pole shift). Note he also states "if they have done the learning needed to ascend." Which sounds like the continents will shift and deaths will occur, those ready may ascend if not then normal death.

Perhaps a more Classical approach of this subject will be more profitable,... after all, preparation for Ascension or death is all contained in these works. Modern messages just repeat what has already been said, with the disadvantage of confusing the issue, clear in older teachings.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1204545

Hmm, please share your views on this. I don't get that from classical works per se.

Modern messages should be the "cherry on the cake", just the final touch, instead they become like the Three Stooges preparing the cake.

Sometimes I think that Three Stooges is the only thing worth watching on TV

About the excerpt mentioned, I don´t think it refers to a date, 2012 in the case, since in the last message St. Germain says:

"How Grace Leads The Way

My dear ones. Counting down to 2012 does not deliver an accurate conclusion about continent movement. Neither the content of my messages, nor the content of any other messages, has given you dates that can be counted on. All dates are a guess. Give up predictive consciousness, and get your heart open about the present."

These St. Germain messages are more vague about time frame now, older messages were more precise, but failed, thus this new approach.

Some comments on this part:

"Deleting Contractions About Death

When the land masses are moved, the game will be over for many. They need no more challenges to learn from. They are now the change agents that lead lessons to others. More than 20 million, when the days of darkness come, will leave this drama, if they have done the learning needed to ascend. When ascension comes, they will either be called to disappear, or die in a natural way. Neither of these ways is more divine than the other. One will call attention to the change in mass consciousness that has occurred, the other will not. All who do not ascend with the group can also ascend at death. This ascension will only make the news if an error in one's death experience needs to be known. When no error is made, like disappearing in the darkness without witnesses, one can be an example of less concern."

This doesn´t refers to the Pole Shift, but to land masses move prior to that, probably what the Zetas are telling. Older messages mention the 20 million disappearing when the "days of darkness" begin. There is a mention in the excerpt above about calling the attention, making the news, this will not occur in the Pole Shift, there will not be newspapers then.

Therefore it is difficult to know what scenario will unfold, if Three Waves, or three-in-one as mentioned above, it seems that they don´t know either, all are guesses.

About the classical works, Jesus demonstrated the Ascension process in practice, Yoga works speaks about achieving Samadhi through meditation and being free from the wheel of rebirth, Babaji have done the transformation of his body into the Golden Immortal Body through Yoga practices, Ramalinga as well, Alice Bailey deals with Ascension in depth in Initiation Human and Solar and The Rays and Initiations, another excelent book is Dossier on the Ascension, by Serapis Bey, published by Summit Lighthouse.

About the classical works, Jesus demonstrated the Ascension process in practice, Yoga works speaks about achieving Samadhi through meditation and being free from the wheel of rebirth, Babaji have done the transformation of his body into the Golden Immortal Body through Yoga practices, Ramalinga as well, Alice Bailey deals with Ascension in depth in Initiation Human and Solar and The Rays and Initiations, another excelent book is Dossier on the Ascension, by Serapis Bey, published by Summit Lighthouse.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205201

Well you're more up on all this than I, for sure. Dates are doubly irrelevant to me because (1) they've all been wrong and (2) the events themselves are even hard to define clearly. So, let's talk basics.

What is ascension? * How does OT/SG/classics definitions of it relate?

What is awakening? * How does OT/SG/classics definitions of it relate?

Example 1: OT says ascension will lead to life on a great new planet, terra, in a cool new body. SG says ascension leads to existence with no planet and no body.

Example 2: SG roughly defines awakening as losing the mind's grip on awareness. OT roughly defines awakening as realizing your greater identity, of which your 3D identity is only a small part.

Huhhhh, are these message even talking about the same things or just using the same words for different things? Can these types of concepts even be explained accurately without first hand experience?

Is it even worth discussing them, trying to understand? Or is it just best to wait until whatever is going to happen actually happens, if anything at all?

It is a matter of choice, Christians for example don´t have interest in details on Ascension, they just wait for the day when Jesus will return and they will meet with him in the air, and will have their bodies transformed into the Glorious Body instantaneously and will go to live with him forever in the New Earth, as decribed in the Bible.

Others more intelectually inclined like to understand the subject rationally, like any scientific field of study, and these will benefit by the study of these works mentioned. Alice Bailey has the closest approach to the scientific method, although sometimes Tibetan, the author who dictates the works isn´t as clear as should be desirable, nonetheless it is the best in the field.

Dossier on the Ascension, by Serapis Bey is another indispensable work, since it is dictated by the Guardian of the Ascension Flame.

It is not necessary to read too many books to have a general intelectual understanding of the Ascension, just some specialized works, moreover just basic information is offered in these works, but they are satisfactory to the mind.

And the more important, how to prepare for the Ascension, in this crucial subject Operation Terra is champion in clarity, summarizing all in a few words:

"Second, the lifting we have spoken of is dependent on one action and one condition alone: it is necessary to have love in one's heart and in order to do that, it is necessary to "root out" (eliminate or neutralize) fear within oneself. We have defined love in part as the absence of fear, so it is only logical that the cultivation of love requires the removal of fear. Nothing else matters. It does not matter what you know about spiritual matters. It does not matter what you look like or what your age is or where you live. What is in your heart and your attendant frequency are the only criteria for the lifting. If you are afraid to receive the lifting for any reason, you will not be lifted."(THE BOTTOM LINE, February 25, 2001)

Jesus teachings in Bible say basically the same, " Love God above all and thy neighbor as thyself", therefore we can see that the only requirement for the Ascension can be summarized in one word: LOVE.

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What is ascension?

* How does OT/SG/classics definitions of it relate?

Example 1: OT says ascension will lead to life on a great new planet, terra, in a cool new body. SG says ascension leads to existence with no planet and no body.----------------------------

We must remember that St. Germain confirmed the authenticity of Operation Terra, therefore can´t exist contradiction between OT and his messages.

St. Germain´s messages sometimes are unnecessarely complex and confuse in my opinion, which is worthless according to St. Germain since he says all opinions are worthless :-)

Operation Terra is not alone, many many many genuine sources, including the Bible, match with Operation Terra. There is a vast body of knowledge, from the most different sources, places and times, matching and depicting a coherent scenario, therefore when comparing sources it is important to take that in consideration, it is not a matter of comparing Operation Terra with Saint Germain, but a whole body of information which includes Operation Terra with Saint Germain.

"SG says ascension leads to existence with no planet and no body."

SG mentions that the 20 million have contract to Ascend to 7th Dimension. This dimension is beyond 5D New Earth. In this 7th Dimension the Divine Spark don´t have a body like in 5th Dimensional New Earth, but creates one intantaneously at will in any desired dimension, from 7th to our present 3D. I think that he was trying to move the reader´s focus higher. But there will be a stay in 5D Terra for some years, OT mentions Terrans having children and living for more than a century on Terra before moving on to higher dimensions.

"What is ascension?"

A general overview of mankind journey will be useful to put the things in perspective, these informations come from Theosophy and Alice Bailey:

A pair of Divine Beings, one male and another female, whose physical body is our Sun, create the Divine Sparks, their sons and daughters.

This Divine Spark begins its evolutionary path, first innhabitating stones (The Mineral Kingdom) during millions or even a few billion years, then move to the Vegetal Kingdom, innhabitating plants, million of years again, then the Animal Kingdom, million of years.

Then occurs the phenomenon called Individualization, the Divine Spark which innhabitated the animal is united to the Holy Guardian Angel, and the animal instantaneously becomes a Human Being, and begin the evolution in the Human Kingdom.

A primitive man at first, not much different from an animal, but now posessing what the animal don´t have, the mind, brought forth by the Angel.

Then the man evolves, develop physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually, and at some point of its evolution begins to feel the call of his Angel, and enter the Initiation Path.

He learn to control the Phyical Body and receives the First Initiation.

Idem, the Emotional Body, Second Initiation.

Idem, Concrete Mental Body, Third Initiation. This Initiation is specially important since occurs the Alchemical Marriage, the candidate is permanently united to his Holy Guardian Angel.

Then the Fourth Initiation, the Ascension. The Physical Body, Emotional Body, Concrete Mental Body and Causal Body are consumed by the Ascension Flame, and the Divine Spark will innhabit then the Glorious Body, composed only by matter of the Higher Mental Plane, and will innhabit planets also thus composed, like the New Earth.

In this Initiation there is the union with the Twin Soul, who will be innhabitating another Glorious Body as well. One male body and one female body, as Operation Terra describes, the true Adam Kadmon or Eve Kadmon Body.

Things don´t stop there, the evolutionary journey goes on, further Initiations are achieved, and one day the Divine Spark, better saying the couple of Divine Sparks, will have as Physical Body a planet, like the Earth, and much time later, a Sun, and will create then new Divine Sparks.

This is the Universe routine, similar to mankind routine, but in a higher level. Above as below.

What is the purpose of all this ? To expand the Creation thus expanding the ecstasy of all participants. Like a family, more children, more happiness. Oh yes, more work too :-) The Gods work hard to tender their huge families.

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"What is awakening?

* How does OT/SG/classics definitions of it relate?

Example 2: SG roughly defines awakening as losing the mind's grip on awareness. OT roughly defines awakening as realizing your greater identity, of which your 3D identity is only a small part.----------------------------

An important thing to consider when reading these SG messages is that they are strongly biased on Advaita Vedanta. Aruna is a teacher of this branch of Jnana Yoga, and these messages should be more properly viewed as "Saint Germain advanced lessons on Advaita Vedanta" rather than general instructions for all Ascension candidates, like Operation Terra.

These messages expose a particular method, but this isn´t the only method, as the Hindus know well, there are several other branches of Yoga besides Jnana Yoga, there is Bhakta Yoga, the Yoga of Devotion, similar to Christianity, Karma Yoga, the Yoga of Action, good works, similar to Christianity too, which is mainly composed by these two paths, there is also the Raja Yoga, as exposed in Patanjali Yoga Sutras and other works.

However, despite these SG messages have this strong bias of Advaita Vedanta, they bring information for all Ascension candidates, thus its value even for those who don´t follow this particular path.

What SG refers to as "Awakening", by what I have researched about Advaita Vedanta, is similar to Samadhi in Raja Yoga. The Superconsciousness state that is achieved when the ripples on the mind matter are calmed down through methodic concentration practices thus allowing the Divine Spark to manifest fully through its veichles or bodies (physical, emotional, mental )

I have no familiarity with Advaita Vedanta, but after a quick research, it seems that it has nothing miraculous, it is a valid and praised Yoga path, the Jnana Yoga path, but it doesn´t bring miraculous and instantaneous results, it is a long journey, many lives of practice, like Raja Yoga.

It seems that "Instantaneous Awakening" has been sold lately in the Spiritual market, but the genuine practioners of Advaita Vedanta caution against that, it seems that this "Instantaneous Awakening" is just the culmination of a long path, not a miraculous new method as sometimes it is sold.

However we must remember that Ascension candidates are by nature old souls, therefore SG intructions may indeed bring this result for some, but it is important to remember that this is not the only path, and don´t loose the focus on the main requirement for Ascension, LOVE.

A study of the Advaita Vedanta classics are essential to understand these St. Germain instructions, if the person decide to follow this path.

Operation Terra initially put meditation as essential but later relaxed a bit the recommendation to recomendable, but not essential. I think that this is a more realistic approach, Love vibration is essential, not success in meditation.

This should be the focus, to keep Love vibration in daily life, which is a tremendous task, since in present time Darkness is spread, and the current way of life conspires to take the person out of Love vibration.

Meditation if considered as an auxiliar, a relaxing moment, is good, but if the person focus just on success in meditation she may loose the real necessary focus, Love.

There is not much time for a regular meditation path, meditation take many lives to bring results, but trying to keep Love vibration all the time is something anyone can do.

Jesus teachings in Bible say basically the same, " Love God above all and thy neighbor as thyself", therefore we can see that the only requirement for the Ascension can be summarized in one word: LOVE.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205857

Yes, that is the heart of the matter but like you said some of use choose to understand ascension in a little more detail. I have made that choice, as apparently so have you, but I guess you could say I second guess myself about that choice often.

"SG says ascension leads to existence with no planet and no body."

SG mentions that the 20 million have contract to Ascend to 7th Dimension. This dimension is beyond 5D New Earth. In this 7th Dimension the Divine Spark don´t have a body like in 5th Dimensional New Earth, but creates one intantaneously at will in any desired dimension, from 7th to our present 3D.

I think that he was trying to move the reader´s focus higher. But there will be a stay in 5D Terra for some years, OT mentions Terrans having children and living for more than a century on Terra before moving on to higher dimensions.

"What is ascension?"

A general overview of mankind journey will be useful to put the things in perspective, these informations come from Theosophy and Alice Bailey:...(I'd like to get a copy of this book)...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205857

Great stuff, that clears up the seeming differences nicely. I don't get why these messages aren't more clear to start with.

"What is awakening?

* How does OT/SG/classics definitions of it relate?...What SG refers to as "Awakening", by what I have researched about Advaita Vedanta, is similar to Samadhi in Raja Yoga. The Superconsciousness state that is achieved when the ripples on the mind matter are calmed down through methodic concentration practices thus allowing the Divine Spark to manifest fully through its veichles or bodies (physical, emotional, mental )...(I really liked what you wrote in all of this that followed, but honestly it didn't really clear up awakening for me....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1205857

So, with that in mind let's turn to one of GLPs own players on the subjects, Acolyte:

See the post made at 10/6/2009 3:02 PM for concise but perhaps not complete definitions. The interesting thing about these definitions is that, in a hopelessly 3D perspective, ascension is defined as "bad" and awakening as "good". Acolyte comes from a path/religion/cult called San Mat if I remember reading correctly. Whatever it is, it apparently provided much detail on all of this (but who knows if it's accurate). Acolyte constantly makes posts here at GLP, generally about troubling world affairs. Acolyte has a definite agenda in all of this, but what it is exactly has never been clear to me other than "get people to awaken rather than ascend". Stuff to munch on for you.

Thanks for the reply.

Personal question for you. Are, or were, you a catholic priest? Being from the country where you are now, and given what has gone on in the catholic church, it wouldn't surprise me.

A general overview of mankind journey will be useful to put the things in perspective, these informations come from Theosophy and Alice Bailey:...(I'd like to get a copy of this book)...

Great stuff, that clears up the seeming differences nicely. I don't get why these messages aren't more clear to start with.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194419

I wonder that as well, the ideal should be a few books with clear and reliable information, but that is not what happens, informations are scattered throughout several sources and requests a great deal of discrimination to solve frequent contraditions contained in all these varied works.

But if the works are genuine, there is a essence of Truth in all them, thus the method of study should be to seek this core of Truth, and discard contradictory details.

This is what Theosophy proposed to do, to seek the core of Truth in all spiritual teachings from every time and place, this is a good method.

Another hint is to seek movements sponsored by the Great White Brotherhood, the Spiritual Hierarchy which governs the planet.

Theosophy, Agni Yoga, Alice Bailey, I am Activity, Bridge to Freedom, Summit Lighthouse are the major modern movements.

Volume 1 contains the basic concepts of the teaching, such as the I AM Presence, the Violet Flame, the Protective Pillar of Light, the Law of Karma and why and how we should decree. It also describes the functions of the elemental and angelic kingdoms. Descriptions of the God-virtues of the Seven Rays and how to attune to Ascended Masters, Elohim and Archangels are included.

Volume 2 is intended for those students who wish to become chelas of the Ascended Masters. It describes the functions of the Hierarchy (Governing Board) of the Earth, how their messengers to mankind are selected and group activity. It is also explained how a chela may achieve the ascension, by successfully completing the various Initiations and by performing the required service to God and to mankind.

These graded instructions contain a summary of the teaching and all information necessary to make the ascension in this embodiment. They are written in an easy-to-understand manner and a must for group leaders and dedicated students who must study alone. A chapter entitled “The Teachings of the New Age” was added.

...(I really liked what you wrote in all of this that followed, but honestly it didn't really clear up awakening for me....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194419

Perhaps this good article may help. This is the Awakening which Saint Germain refers to in his messages, it is the aim of all spiritual teachings, and can be achieved by several paths, "all roads lead to Rome", each path is best suited to each type of aspirant, this below is the Jnana Yoga path.

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Advaita Vedanta- Philosophy of Oneness or Monism for Spiritual Awakening

Advaita Vedanta is the philosophy of Monism, or Oneness. In this philosophy, the only reality in the world is said to Brahman, the ‘Oneness’. All the world that we see around us is said to have relative reality only, and it is Brahman alone at the base of the world which has absolute reality. Even our own individual consciousness is only a relative reality, and it is Brhaman which lies at the root of our consciousness which is our true identity. This means that we are, right at this moment, Brahman itself, and we can rejoice in the supreme bliss of being Brahman if we can break out of our individual identity. This is to be done through Yoga. We can then achieve Spiritual Awakening and realize the Truth of our existence.

‘Advaita’ means 'non–dual', that there is only one. Dvaita means two, and hence Advaita means not–two.

Advaita philosophy is based on the Upanishads or ’Vedantas‘, which are a part of the Vedas, the main religious scriptures of Hinduism.

Vedanta philosophy or Upanishadic philosophy has three main schools, Dvaita, Vishista–dvaita and A–dvaita.

All these three schools are based on the same sriptures, the Upanishads, and derive their difference because they interpret the sutras of the Upanishads differently. The Upanishadic sutras are short, terse passages, and lend themselves to different interpretations, and hence we have these three schools of Vedanta philosophy, all of which claim that their philosophy is the true philosophy of the Upanishads and the others are misinterpretations.

Dvaita means dualism. Here there are two separate existences, God and the world. God has created the world, and the two are completely separate existences, with God being the higher perfect existence and the material world, including all humans, being a lower existence. There is thus no commonality between us and God.

Vishista–dvaita is the path of qualified monism. Here also God has created the world but he has created it out of his own substance. Hence the world, including us, are not an entirely separate substance from God, we also have the Divine within us. But we are imperfect parts of the divine and it is only God who is wholly perfect, and we have but a ’spark‘ of this divinity within us.

The third school of Vedanta philosophy is the school of Advaita Vedanta. In this, the only reality that exists is Brahman. This does not mean that the world does not exist, but that it has a lower level of reality. In Advaita Vedanta philosophy, the world exists, but it exists with only ambiguous reality, and it exists with Brahman at its root. Hence the true reality of the world is Brahman and the reality that we see around us is a false reality, an ambiguous reality. So the world is really Brahman, that which is not Brahman has only relative reality and is to be disregarded.

To understand this, we can take the example of a burning candle as it changes to smoke, ash and giving off energy in the form of light and heat. We can see that as the candle burns, it changes in form so that it exists as candle in the beginning, as wax,energy and smoke in the middle and as ash and dissipated smoke and energy at the end. Since the candle changes form in this way, there must be something which is common to all the three forms, something which can exist as the candle alone or as ash, smoke and energy also. We know from science that that which is common to all these forms is the matter–energy combination. Matter in the form of molecules and atoms of wax combined with energy and existed as the candle in the beginning, and in the other forms like ashes, smoke and heat and light at the end. So for this change, it is matter – energy which formed the absolute reality and the candle, etc. were just forms of this. Again, we know from E=MC2 that matter and energy are also part of a spectrum and matter can be expressed as energy and vice versa. So there must be something which is common to both, something which can exist either in the form of matter or in the form of energy. So, arguing in this way, we can see that all that exists in this world are but forms and have only relative reality and there must be something which is Absolute beyond all this. This Absolute beyond the world is declared to be Brahman in Advaita Vedanta.

Similarly, for our consciousness also, when we examine our individual consciousness, our thoughts, ego and sensations,etc. we find that we cannot ascribe an absolute reality to any of them. They all have a fleeting reality only and none can be said to have a unique identity. Yet there can be no doubt that ‘I’ exist, that this I, my individuality, exists. This existence cannot rest on any individual thoughts or sensations, since they are all temporary. There must be something which has absolute reality, something which is unchanging and which is the root of our awareness. This unchanging root of our consciousness is declared to be Brahman by Advaita Vedanta.

When we ask the question, ‘who am I’, we would be prone to identify with our individual consciousness, our ego in this world. But Advaita Vedanta philosophy says that this individual consciousness is not our true reality, since it has only a relative reality, and our true identity is that which is the root of our consciousness, the Brahman.

So when we ask the question, ‘who am I’, the answer according to Advaita Vedanta philosophy would be, ‘I am Brahman’, “Aham Brahmasvi”.

This really is the main importance of Advaita Vedanta Philosophy, that it says that we ourselves are Brahman.

Brahman is the root of both the world and our consciousness, the objective and the subjective.

That Brahman is the root of the objective world has its importance in understanding the true reality of the world. It also has its importance in physical sciences, see here.

But it is Brahman as the root of our individual consciousness which is the main teaching of the Advaita Vedanta philosophy. It is this teaching that is the fount of the spirituality of Advaita Vedanta.

In our everyday life, we identify ourselves with our individual consciousness. The rush of thoughts and sensations which fill our minds seem to be all that constitute our identity. We rush along heedless with this flow. But if we examine this flow of thoughts and sensations, we will find that they are very transient and if we consider this to be our identity, our identity too would be flimsy. Advaita Vedanta teaches us that our true identity is not this stream but the Absolute Brahman which lies at its base and illuminates it. Once we stop this flow, our identification with our individual consciousness will also cease and we will exist as the Absolute Brahman, which was always our true Self.

This is the spiritual goal of Advaita Vedanta. The path to stopping this flow of thoughts and sensations is Yoga. There are four main types of Yoga: Raja, Karma, Bhakti and Gyan. Through Yoga, our rush of thoughts and sensations will become stilled and we will become one with Brahman. Then all our doubts and fears will be dispelled and we will attain Spiritual Enlightenment. Once we know ourselves as Brahman, we will no more identify ourselves as our puny ego and see ourselves as who we really are, the Absolute, Unchangeable root of the Universe itself.

There are four main ’Mahavakyas‘ or ’great axioms‘ of Advaita Vedanta philosophy. They are (1) Prajnanam Brahma – Consciousness is Brahman; (2) Aham Brahmasmi – I am Brahman: (3) Tat Tvam Asi – That Thou Art; (4) Ayam Atma Brahma – This Self is Brahman. These are the central tenets of this philosophy.

The essence of all these four sayings are the same: that it I myself who am Brahman. Brahman or Oneness is not something to be looked for outside. It is within me, or rather it is me myself. That part of me which is not Brahman, my individual ego, my thoughts and sensations, etc. have only an ambiguous, half formed reality. It rests on my true identity, which is the root, and that is Brahman. I need only to realize this and I will know the Truth of this universe.

Thus the path of Advaita Vedanta philosophy is to search for this root of oneself, this true self of oneself, which is Brahman. This is all that ever was, it is only because of a lack of true appreciation that we think of ourselves as other than Brahman. It is this Brahman that we need to realize, and this is done through Yoga. This is the great truth shown by Advaita Vedanta philosophy.

To read further on Advaita Vedanta philosophy, please go here for an overview of the basic principles and logic of Advaita from the book:

&#8658; Advaita Theory

To read more on Advaita Vedanta and Yoga and its harmony with modern science and reason, you can go through my book on Amazon,

So, with that in mind let's turn to one of GLPs own players on the subjects, Acolyte:

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194419

When dealing with spiritual teachings posts, a good practice is to research the original source, otherwise we risk to have just personal views from students, who may or not have understood the teachings.

A post from the poster above mentions his resources:-----------------------BARAKA BASHAD

The only people I know that use the words BARAKA BASHAD, specifically spelled this way, are those or Eckankar... Are you an 'ECK-ist'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788337

An ex-EckistOn Sant Mat now :)-------------------------

Sant MatFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the Sant Mat origins in the 13th century. For contemporary movements claiming a Sant Mat lineage, see Contemporary Sant Mat movements.

Sant Mat (Hindi: &#2360;&#2306;&#2340; &#2350;&#2340;) was a loosely associated group of teachers that became prominent in the northern part of the Indian sub-continent from about the 13th century. Theologically, their teachings are distinguished by an inward, loving devotion to a divine principle, and socially by an egalitarianism opposed to the qualitative distinctions of the Hindu caste system, and to those between Hindus and Muslims.[1]

The sant lineage can be divided into two main groups: The northern group of Sants from the provinces of the Punjab, (Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh), who expressed themselves mainly in vernacular Hindi, and the southern group, whose language is archaic Marathi, represented by Namdev and other Sants of Maharashtra.[1]

Are, or were, you a catholic priest? Being from the country where you are now, and given what has gone on in the catholic church, it wouldn't surprise me.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194419

No, I´m not even a Catholic :-) In Brazil 75 per cent are Catholics and 15 per cent Evangelicals. Some 3 per cent are Spiritualists (Allan Kardec teachings).But most brazilian Catholics don´t follow blindly Catholic Church tenets, and are open minded about Spiritual teachings from another sources.

This answer from Jesus is clariying about the "Awakening".-------------------------From Ask the Real Jesus website

Question: I would like to know what Jesus thinks about the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. I realize you probably get tons of questions about this or that spiritual teacher or teaching, but I am asking specifically because in the message given in Sweden, Jesus recommended that we study other teachings on the ego. And Eckhart Tolle has written two books, The Power of Now and A New Earth, that both talk a lot about the ego and the duality consciousness.

Answer from Jesus:

I consider Eckhart a genuine spiritual teacher, who is doing what he should be doing, namely teaching based on his background, experience and state of consciousness. If visitors to this website feel an inner prompting to study any of his books, they should obviously follow that prompting. I will, however, not go so far as to recommend that all visitors to this site read the books, and let me explain why some people will want to approach the books with caution.

Any spiritual teaching must of necessity be adapted to a certain level of consciousness. Given the large range in the levels of consciousness found on this planet, it simply is not possible to give a teaching that is suited for all people. When a spiritual teacher is working with the Ascended Host, the person can often bring forth a teaching that is beyond his or her own experience. Yet when a teacher is standing on his or her own, the teaching will almost invariably be based on the teacher’s personal experience.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it must be recognized that such a teaching will work for people who are close to the same level of consciousness as that of the teacher and not for others. Let me give an example. Eckhart describes how he had a spiritual breakthrough that spontaneously propelled him into a higher state of consciousness. He thus teaches based on this experience and basically ignores the need to follow a gradual, systematic path. He is trying to take the readers through an experience similar to his own, and he is doing so by sharing the insights he has received after his breakthrough.

The underlying assumption is that if people receive the right insights, they will have a spontaneous awakening, just as he experienced. This can indeed happen, but only for people who are close to the level of consciousness that Eckhart had before his awakening. Yet the vast majority of the people on this planet are not at that level, and thus there is no possibility that any amount of insights will “spontaneously” awaken them.

Eckhart is not the first spiritual teacher to have a spontaneous breakthrough and he is not the first to seek to pass it on to others. Some of these teachers, such as Krishnamurti, have even gone so far as to deny the need for a spiritual path and spiritual teachers (in embodiment or ascended). Yet for people who are not close to the teacher’s level of consciousness, the effect is somewhat like holding up a piece of candy in front of a child while you are driving away.

Most people will have to follow a systematic, gradual path before they rise to the level of consciousness where a spiritual breakthrough is possible. And this will require diligent work, including the use of spiritual techniques, such as Mother Mary’s rosaries. If such people believe that all they need is an insight that gives them some mysterious breakthrough, they can slow down their progress considerably. Imagine that you are walking in a jungle and you are lost. Suddenly, you hear a helicopter overhead, and a person yells down to you, “Come up here and you can see the way out of the jungle!” Yet if the person does not throw down a ladder that you can climb step by step, how will you ever make it to his level?

My point being that many of the people who have had so-called spontaneous breakthroughs did follow a systematic path in past lives. They may not remember it now, but at some point the work was done. Thus, I recommend that visitors to this website study Eckhart’s books without abandoning their spiritual tools, such as the rosaries.

One more important point. In The Power of Now Eckhart is teaching that most westerners think too much about the past and the future. He teaches that the ego uses the past and the future to manipulate people but that the ego cannot operate in the now. Thus, he recommends that people focus more on the now, which is not a wrong approach given that so many people do tend to focus too much on the past and the future. That is indeed why I said:

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. (Matthew 6:34)

I agree that the ego finds it very difficult to operate in the now, and if you are truly awake in the eternal now, the ego has no influence over you. However, saying that people should focus on the now is only a useful approach for people who have reached a certain level of consciousness. It takes a high level of spiritual maturity to actually BE in the now, and until one reaches that level, one will have no ability to simply BE.

So when such a person is told to be in the now, he or she cannot actually experience being in the now. Instead, the person forms a mental concept of what it means to be in the now—based on the teacher’s directions rather than personal experience. And the ego is quite capable of manipulating any and all mental concepts human beings create. This can easily lead some people to take an unbalanced approach to being in the now. The concept of being in the now is not new, since it was first taught by the Buddha. Over the centuries many people have taken an unbalanced approach, causing them to go toward one of two extremes:

•Some people reason that being in the now means they can ignore their past. By spontaneously awakening, you will overcome your past without having to deal with your karma or psychological wounds. Thus, they start seeking a miraculous insight that will do all the work for them. Again, a breakthrough can happen if you have already overcome your karma and wounds in past lives, but for the vast majority of people this is not the case. Thus, most people will slow down their progress by ignoring their past. They would make much faster progress by using all available means to resolve their psychology, overcome dualistic beliefs and purify all misqualified energy (karma) from past lives.

•Some people reason that they can stop thinking about the future, including planning their lives. Some even go so far as thinking God will miraculously take care of everything, and this has caused some otherwise sincere spiritual seekers to actually commit suicide through neglect. This is what the devil used when I was tempted after my stay in the wilderness: 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. (Matthew, Chapter 4)

My point is to always take a balanced approach to everything in life—being aware that the ego will always seek to polarize you toward one extreme or the other.

A final point is that Eckhart gives some teachings on the mind that can easily be interpreted to mean that the mind is the enemy of your spiritual growth. I realize Eckhart himself does not believe this, but his statements will make some people believe it. It is indeed true that an overactive mind, especially a well-developed intellect, can be a hindrance to spiritual growth—which is a more intuitive than intellectual process. However, believing that your own mind is an enemy is not a constructive approach since it only makes you even more of a house divided against itself.

The correct view is that the mind is like a house with servants. It only becomes an enemy when the master refuses to take command in his own house. That master is you, specifically your conscious self, which is meant to have dominion over your lower being by taking up the responsibility to be the Christ. When you find the middle way of the Christ, you will not let your mind control you and neither will you seek to control the mind to the point of extinguishing its creative potential. Many spiritual people have indeed used discipline to so control the mind that they have forgotten that they did not come to Earth to sit in a cave and meditate on God. You came here to be a co-creator and bring God’s kingdom to this planet.

Your mind has the potential to become an extension of your I AM Presence, which truly makes your mind an extension of the mind of God. Everything is created out of God’s consciousness, meaning that everything is created out of the mind of God. Thus, when your mind takes up its rightful role as an individualization of the mind of God – rather than as a mind separated from its source – your mind will become a vehicle for you doing what you came here to do, namely to have dominion over the Earth.

Let me make it clear that I am not hereby saying that people should not read Eckhart’s books. I am simply saying that I expect visitors to this website to use the insights they have received here when they study any kind of spiritual teaching. And I expect people to do their utmost to heed my teachings on the need for balance. If you have not yet realized that I often talk about balance, then I recommend you read the website again and take note of how often I describe balance as the most important prerequisite for true spiritual growth. I especially recommend my two ego discourses on black-and-white and gray thinking.

That being said, there is no question that Eckhart has given many valuable insights about the ego and the duality consciousness. People at all levels can benefit from these insights, but you need to be realistic and not abandon a systematic approach to spiritual growth in favor of chasing a miraculous insight that will suddenly turn you into an enlightened being. It is far better to keep working methodically and let the spontaneous awakening happen—spontaneously. Seeking to take heaven by force has never brought anyone out of reach of the ego.

Happiness creates the most beautiful auric field. Christmas has this glow. What does this mean to the lives of those who do not celebrate this day? A lot.

When mass consciousness has happiness as its major energy, there cannot be any murder, or fighting that comes from energetic causes. All of the human race are being influenced by mass consciousnes, so once this has a continuous anchoring of happiness, more of you will become happy.

When we talk about ascension, many of you get afraid. Nothing that happens during ascension can harm anyone, either those ascending or those who have not ascended. All who ascend can celebrate. All who do not ascend can celebrate that there's another wave coming that they can be on.

Children of God have come to believe that an answer to ascension is their mental decisions. This is not accurate. Only opened heart awareness can contribute to an ascension. Conditions for ascension are more apparent now. What I have described in my regular messages can deliver ascension to all who have opened their hearts.

News of a mass ascension can rock the world. We are still looking at this for at least 5,000,000. It would be better if all 20,000,000 could be on this wave, but 5,000,000 can make a major impression. What country is the most likely to have the biggest ascension number? None has any major lead in this regard. Candidates are in all countries.

Twenty million can still ascend, with all the grace of a Master, by doing their work. What does it take? An open heart and a channel of communication between the mind and the Master within. Not so much, considering that many lifetimes have been lived in preparation for this great happening. Are you one of those who can still make the transition? Are you able to hear the call? Are you willing to do what it takes to graduate this time around?

All of you still can. No college degree will be awarded, only the happiness that ascension will give to all is the Master's way of graduating you. Please accept.

Prepare by being quiet. Prepare by detaching and arranging for the things left behind. Prepare by contemplating happiness in all moments.

So, with that in mind let's turn to one of GLPs own players on the subjects, Acolyte:

When dealing with spiritual teachings posts, a good practice is to research the original source, otherwise we risk to have just personal views from students, who may or not have understood the teachings.

A post from the poster above mentions his resources:-----------------------BARAKA BASHAD

The only people I know that use the words BARAKA BASHAD, specifically spelled this way, are those or Eckankar... Are you an 'ECK-ist'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788337

An ex-EckistOn Sant Mat now :)-------------------------

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1206600

I remember reading that now. Do you have any views on these paths (Eck/Sant Mat)?

After studying all the classics and new stuff, what path would you say best describes where you are?