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You blame the fans but no amount if cheering is going to turn us into a 13 win team year in and out.

this.

when the panthers can turn out anything close to being consistent winners we'll have better fan turn out. right now we have pretty much what you'd expect from a team with less than 5 winning seasons in 17 years, no back to back winning seasons ever, and looking at their 5th losing season in a row.

the panthers have earned the fanbase and fan presence at games they have. when you consistently suck, your stadium atmosphere is going to mirror that, esp. when seat owners are stuck with a crappy investment they don't want and can't sell off without losing money and don't feel like making use of. they sell tickets or give them away to whoever will take them.

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when the panthers can turn out anything close to being consistent winners we'll have better fan turn out. right now we have pretty much what you'd expect from a team with less than 5 winning seasons in 17 years, no back to back winning seasons ever, and looking at their 5th losing season in a row.

the panthers have earned the fanbase and fan presence at games they have. when you consistently suck, your stadium atmosphere is going to mirror that, esp. when seat owners are stuck with a crappy investment they don't want and can't sell off without losing money and don't feel like making use of. they sell tickets or give them away to whoever will take them.

bahah such an accurate picture too. Yet some don't want to believe. I know, I have lived here the past 16 years and I know it. I know it because you ever go to a panther playoff game and it's one of the loudest, craziest atmospheres in football I have attended. I hope we haven't lost those fans with all this losing. I haven't seen that atmosphere since 2008.

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bahah such an accurate picture too. Yet some don't want to believe. I know, I have lived here the past 16 years and I know it. I know it because you ever go to a panther playoff game and it's one of the loudest, craziest atmospheres in football I have attended. I hope we haven't lost those fans with all this losing. I haven't seen that atmosphere since 2008.

people are fickle. fans even more so. you win, they show up and you're the greatest thing. you lose and it stops....unless you've got generations of fans like the browns and bills have. by then it's genetic. we've only been around a few years (comparitively) so we don't have the generations of fans showing up. we have no real grand tradition to keep up. the best thing for the next 15-20 years or so for this fanbase (because it's going to take that much longer to build the generations of fans) is for this team to win.

if the team is counting on fanbase support to win, we're all screwed. the only real solution for fan support to get better is for this team to be able to create a consistent winner. none of this once every 5-6 year pull a winning season out of our arse, but consistent....like back to back to back to back.

this will continue until the organization learns that loyalty to players and coaches will only ruin a team...that you have to be more loyal to the organization and making sure that you have the best producing players and coaches or they fail to produce wins, they will be replaced. if players get in the way contractually, kick them to the curb. you decide to be commited to your players/coaches or winning. you can't be commited to both.

fortunately gettleman seems to be the guy that understands this. hurney didn't. it's a business. not a family.