Why are these people allowed to protest at all, much less clogging streets and shutting down traffic, etc.? At the most they should not be allowed to protest at all, at the least they should be herded at gunpoint and nightstick into some obscure parking lot "Free Speech Zone" like every other group that has tried to have their say in this country in the last few years. If you are in this country illegally you have NO rights guaranteed by the 1st Amendment: no right to assembly and no right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If you are here illegally, and an alien, you are not one of "We, the People", you are not a part of the body politic, this is not YOUR government- you are ALIEN, and illegal at that.

Originally Posted By sovereign:Why are these people allowed to protest at all, much less clogging streets and shutting down traffic, etc.? At the most they should not be allowed to protest at all, at the least they should be herded at gunpoint and nightstick into some obscure parking lot "Free Speech Zone" like every other group that has tried to have their say in this country in the last few years. If you are in this country illegally you have NO rights guaranteed by the 1st Amendment: no right to assembly and no right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If you are here illegally, and an alien, you are not one of "We, the People", you are not a part of the body politic, this is not YOUR government- you are ALIEN, and illegal at that.

Originally Posted By PaDanby:Can you imagine all the whiney tinfoil types hee if they ever got asked by an LEO to show citizenship if they came to a pro-gun rally?

How about you tell us mastermind how we determine citizneship on folks walking down the street (or in the street)?The tin foil guys around here get the vapors about receipt checkers at Wal-Mart, do you really think they are going to put up with "Your papers , please?"?

That't the point. It has evolved to a point you would have to be asked for "papers" to prove you were a citizen. By design, IMO, because a freedom loving person would never put up with it unless it involved "national security" or "terrorism" or some other such tripe that has been a problem since the beginning of the country......

Originally Posted By Horseman:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble IN THEIR OWN DAMN COUNTRY , is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.

The constitution should not be used as door mat for the rest of the world to poop on. We're talking about 12 million law breakers.

Originally Posted By Horseman:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unailenable rights..."

The right to speak and be heard, and to peaceably assemble, is not intrinsic to citizens of the US. It's the birthright of all human beings. It is recognized, not granted, by the US Constitution.

The places to stop the wave of illegal immigration are at the border, at the places of refuge, and at the voting booth. The last thing anybody needs are papers just to speak.

They may have natural rights but our constitution doesn't protect them. The constitution is a contract between the people and the government (the contract that gave our government power by consent of the governed), and within that contract the government is required to protect those rights "of the people" (legal citizens). Our government has NO social contract with illegal aliens (they have a social contract with their home country), they arn't the ones giving consent to our government to rule. Therefore our government has NO obligation what-so-ever to abide by the same rules as they do with us when dealing with illegals.

Just like if we decided to dissolve the constitution and gave some new tyrannical government the power to infringe on those rights, they can and probably would, and since we formed a social contract with that government allowing it to do so, they have the ability to.

BTW, being heard is NOT a right. You or anyone else does not have a right to force me or anyone else to listen to you.

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:Free Speech zones are an abomination. The United States of America is a "Free Speech Zone".

Yes. But why are these people, and this issue, being given special treatment, yet again? Why aren't they required to be in a Free Speech Zone? Like those who wish to protest the WTO or any other UN/NWO type of meeting. Or political demonstrations directed at either of the two political parties in this country?