"Who wants to be consistent? The dullard and the doctrinaire, the tedious people who carry out their principles to the bitter end of action, to the reductio ad absurdum of practice. Not I."-Oscar Wilde, The Decay of Lying

The Ebionites were the ones who bewitched the Galatians. Hardly deserving of praise, I think.

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"Who wants to be consistent? The dullard and the doctrinaire, the tedious people who carry out their principles to the bitter end of action, to the reductio ad absurdum of practice. Not I."-Oscar Wilde, The Decay of Lying

Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

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"Who wants to be consistent? The dullard and the doctrinaire, the tedious people who carry out their principles to the bitter end of action, to the reductio ad absurdum of practice. Not I."-Oscar Wilde, The Decay of Lying

I used to study a variety of different religions here and there, nothing too crazy. The older I become and now that I have found the true Church, I have no desire to learn of the heresies of man. I honestly don’t care much of what they have to say anymore.

Exactly. That's how I feel.

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"If but ten of us lead a holy life, we shall kindle a fire which shall light up the entire city."

I don't really follow other religions, but I do observe them and take what I see to be good and apply it to myself. For example, my courage to wear a crucifix visibly outside my shirt came from observing the fight for rights by Sikhs to exempt them from helmet laws so they don't have to take their turbans off. They can even get their passport photos taken wearing their turbans. I think it is a great fight for religious rights and that we as Christians shouldn't shy away from our symbol of faith, that is the cross.

Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

In case you're concerned, I'm a girl.

Little better

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"Who wants to be consistent? The dullard and the doctrinaire, the tedious people who carry out their principles to the bitter end of action, to the reductio ad absurdum of practice. Not I."-Oscar Wilde, The Decay of Lying

I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.

Cool.

Also Kabbalah/Judaism.

cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?

They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?

Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.

How so?

Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore).

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

Their "when was the Sabbath changed" relies entirely on a Roman-focused historical view that places the Church of Rome at the centre of Christendom, and its history as the "history of the church." In other words, if Roman Catholicism claims that Sunday worship is due to its transferrence (over time, or whatever) of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and such was the case in the Roman Church - well, then that's why the Church worships on Sunday!

Of course, that doesn't explain why the rest of Christendom worships on Sunday but believes the Sabbath to still be Saturday - Sunday, in these churches, did not become "the new Sabbath" as many Westerners believe. What of the Christians in the far east that are Sunday-observant? I don't see how they were distantly dominated by the Pope and Roman sun cults. These are points that Seventh-day Adventists in particular never pick up on since much of their faith-history is built on a view that revolves around the Church of Rome, and leaves little to no room for other perspectives on Church history. This was Ellen White's view of history, and will continue to be their view of history until the SDA "progressives" take over.

Actually, I brought this point up with a SDA pastor when I was inquiring into the SDA church, and he wasn't prepared at all to deal with any other history that didn't have the evil Catholic church at the head of things.

If the claims of the SDA about the role of the Church of Rome in the early Church are true we should all be RC

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"Who wants to be consistent? The dullard and the doctrinaire, the tedious people who carry out their principles to the bitter end of action, to the reductio ad absurdum of practice. Not I."-Oscar Wilde, The Decay of Lying

Some might have a bit of truth, but then again, the Devil comes as an Angel of Light. IMHO, if you call yourself Orthodox, yet you mix aspect of other faiths, you're not Orthodox, and you should be very careful. Then again my opinions and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee.....

RE: Roman Catholic prayers and WR:Yeah, we use some of them, but they are modified to remove heresies.

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

Full disclosure: half the reason I liked Bulfinch's Mythology was that lots of the gods were strapping young fellows with no shirts.

+1

Why does that not surprise me?

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

I know next to nothing about Sikhism, but on my path searching through the Dharmic religions, I came across Carvaka. Now that's a fascinating "anti-religion" if I ever saw one! Kind of like Lavayan Satanism without Satan.

I know next to nothing about Sikhism, but on my path searching through the Dharmic religions, I came across Carvaka. Now that's a fascinating "anti-religion" if I ever saw one! Kind of like Lavayan Satanism without Satan.

Yes, I was quite intriqued by them during my atheist/materialist period.

I'm inspired by four great Traditions: Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.

Cool.

Also Kabbalah/Judaism.

cool. But if you believe them all religiously, how do you manage to make them agree with each other?

They agree at the Heart, in the realm of Silence.

Just curious Jetavan, why do you seem cool with Orthodoxy when it holds exclusivistic beliefs you wouldn't agree with?

Orthodoxy is exclusivistic? I think Orthodoxy is the most inclusivistic of the Christian traditions.

How so?

Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore).

Bzzzt...Byzantine Catholics do that too. I personally witnessed it. in fact my 18-month son almost had an early "First Communion" time before last I went. I was not sure what that would mean for him in my regular (Roman) parish so I didn't have him receive it.

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Where even the last two or three are gathered in His name, He is there in their midst.

Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)

And?

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)

And?

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This may require a 'level of intelligence' verse 'God's grace' face-off thread.

Orthodoxy gives Communion to *babies*, who can't even think rationally yet. No other Church does that: they all limit Communion to "rational" thinkers. Orthodoxy includes even the pre-rational beings (and non-rational beings, therefore)

And?

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...and that is more inclusive than limiting Communion to rational thinkers.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

If the claims of the SDA about the role of the Church of Rome in the early Church are true we should all be RC

Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter.

Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies.

Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on.

Well from the perspective of the largest body of Christians in the world, the Roman Catholic church, which out numbers EO Christians about 3 to 1, the SDA do see the embodiment of the RC church in this matter.

What does the size of current Roman Catholicism have to do with the pre-Schism topic? Just because RC is currently large and thinks it is the main continuing church doesn't mean an offshoot can take its claims as authoritative.

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Since RC & EO were united pre-Great Schism, it applies.

Most of the writings against the "Roman Catholics" are applied that way to convert the larger body. The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church & Roman Catholic Church are one in the same early on.

Except it doesn't apply. They're retrofitting a papal-dominant ecclesiology that doesn't exist prior to the schism, and definitely not the sort that existed in the 19th century of Ellen White. So what can be said of Rome cannot be said of the rest of the churches just because they "were united."

To their further discredit, it doesn't apply to the Assyrian Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox.