from what i tested with my paladin, the ring from vash with haste reforged to either dodge/parry seems to be a very strong tanking ring preraid (my rings just wont drop ftw) since the agility + dodge/parry form the 359 generates more avoidance compared to any 346 rings.

it has bigger mastery pool being 359 item and more stamina too

the only drawback is the lack of str for aggro, but the extra haste do generate additional threat and overall, there seem to be little to no aggro issue with aggro in raids atm

lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.

lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.

Red Rock Band gives better CTC. The agility ring, however, gives better avoidance together with a higher stamina. I prefer Red Rock Band for running heroics. It's possible that the higher stamina makes the agility ring a better raiding option.

lythac wrote:So you are saying it gives more avoidance and threat (and obviously sta) but saying it isn't better?

The red rock band gives better avoidance (because of the mastery) and better threat (because of the str). Simple as that. The expertise on my rrb is reforged into dodge and when I exchange the epic ring with both the umbris and rrb, it always turns up with less, although slightly, avoidance. That being said it's a good ring until you get umbris.

The Red Rock band does not provide more avoidance. Mastery converts to % block at a higher rate than the avoidance stats do as it is only a 40% damage reduction rather than 100%. What you are seeing is a higher block+avoidance.

NYRIN1 wrote:I just want to be sure, they removed the dodge and armor bonus from AGI right? Its just crit % now I believe.

Unless something changed in yesterday's hot fix, they removed the armor bonus with 4.0 but left the dodge in place. Hence that's why AGI items look so good still, because they provide more avoidance than STR items for the slots (neck, back, ring) where we can access AGI gear.

AGI provides about 60.9% of the dodge of dodge rating, while STR provides about 25% of the parry of parry rating.