HiI was studying the english translation of the bubushi. I was wandering if someone know somewhere I can get a chart of acupuncture points or of vital and or non vital points. Plz it would help me understand it more.

NO accu chart corresponds exactly to martial "vital points"; only vaguely. So the BEST source of depicted kyusho jutsu vital points would be somewhere like AWMA (Asian World Of Martial Arts) where I got 2 MEGA charts of attackable points of the human body. 2 of the SAME chart together were $5 bux! Needless to say, important as vital points are THEY ARE NOT THE END ALL AND BE ALL OF DEFENSIVE ARTS.

Since reading the Bubishi sparked your interest, check out www.combatkyusho.com Rand wrote a great book where he did research on the vital points spelled out in the BUBISHI both translations Alexander and McCarthy. The book is called " the western bubishi there are some good articles at the site as well.

Where I found the english translation of the bubushi the guy also talked about those 2 translation by mcarthy and alexander. oh one more thing can smeone explain to me this chartwww.funkydragon.com/bushi/bubushi4.htmlit gives some pp but some are wierd they say to hit at bl60( wich is situated behind the ankle) and u can kill the person but bl60 is not one of the 36 vital points so i jsut need someone to explain to me this chart including the time and everything in the chart.

Vital points and Pressure points are not the same. There is a lot more than what is covered in the Bubishi. Some feel that the Bubishi was someones training journal and not a text for karate in general as others believe.

Actually, for those of use that base our usage of vital points on Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), then the acupuncture charts correspond exactly to the same points that we use martially...they are the same points. The only thing where a difference in location would come into play in this case is the location based on kun from an anatomical reference point...not everyone is the same, but close enough in most cases for government work.

Rand's book is good, I agree. But, it is not one that I would recommend to someone just trying to figure all of this out. I would recommend the DSI's little green reference book as it is cheap in price and gives you the since down and dirty. I really think you need a foundation such as that to attack something like Rand's book.

With all due respect, to YOU vital points and pressure points are not the same thing. We have been down this road before without much of a response from you (or did you respond and I missed it?). Yes, there is alot more than what is covered in the Bubishi. And if you read McCarthy's Bubishi translation then you get alot more than what is actually in the Bubishi. Be that as it may, it still does not change the fact that your opinion of vital points vs. pressure points is just that...your opinion. I think that stating it in the way that you do can be quite confusing to some folks as they are trying to educate themselves. Know what I mean?

Rand's book is good, I agree. But, it is not one that I would recommend to someone just trying to figure all of this out. I would recommend the DSI's little green reference book as it is cheap in price and gives you the since down and dirty. I really think you need a foundation such as that to attack something like Rand's book.

With all due respect, to YOU vital points and pressure points are not the same thing. We have been down this road before without much of a response from you (or did you respond and I missed it?). Yes, there is alot more than what is covered in the Bubishi. And if you read McCarthy's Bubishi translation then you get alot more than what is actually in the Bubishi. Be that as it may, it still does not change the fact that your opinion of vital points vs. pressure points is just that...your opinion. I think that stating it in the way that you do can be quite confusing to some folks as they are trying to educate themselves. Know what I mean?[/QUOTE]

I agree to start the little green book is a great place to start. I also feel things like the body alarm reation stuff in Rands book is good at any point in training.

So you are saying that Vital Points and Pressure points are the same thing. That there is no differance in the two. Yes we have been down this road and perhaps you did not keep up to see the replies. But does that mean YOUR opinion is the prevailing one. I have seen many threads and there seems to be those3 who feel they are the same and those who do not. I guess it comes down to your instructors path.