I don't understand how Second Round K.O. could be arguably one of the greatest battle records of all time (most hip hop enthusiast would agree) but LL could still be considered the winner. lol No one ever puts any LL response to Canibus on any list like they do Second Round KO. The Rip the Jacker track is underrated but even if it's not a factor Second Round was all that was need it. That track was the bridge between Hit em up in '96 and Ether in '01.

Canibus has had a better career than most rappers ever have. The fact that he's still being talked about should be proof enough. Lots of people came and went since '98. Look how many people tuned in to watch this just because he was in it. This LL k!lled him talk is a joke. What really happened was second round ko k!lled LL, Canibus album was weak and he was being blackballed by not just LL, then he went indie and has had decent success ever since. He tours all over the place, still charts and does numbers every time he drops, has a cult following, has been given props by damn near all of the greats, lots of the up and comers out now, has at least one album considered classic, considered one of the greatest to ever rhyme by MANY etc.

He aint lose to Eminem either, Eminem just got the good press out of the situation. Most people don't even understand the subliminal war Canibus and Eminem have had since '98 let alone be able to decipher the lyrics and determine a winner. They just heard Can-i-bi*ch and said Eminem won.

Nah nah! See dont get it twisted. I'm fully aware of LL being the b*tch in that whole situation and yes, (even though many of my homeboys at the time felt LL came back harder) I did feel like Bis got the better of him. C'mon son said, "researched your footnotes, about how you used to sniff coke. Frontin like a drug free role model? You disgust me, I know b*tches that seen you smoke weed RECENTLY!" LMAO! k!lled that n*gga! lol
But alls Im sayin is that had to be a confidence crusher right there. Regardless how you feel about LL Cool J he's still one of the pioneers capable of dropping some heat and quite frank, still had all the fan support. And to top off the fact that Bis' 1st album was straight butt cheeks didnt help him either. So while I agree with damn near everything you said we just gotta keep it funky and say that yo, LL had a huge hand in this n*ggas career flopping. I personally think that had he rebounded from that 1st album better (and his 2nd was still dope IMO) had the right people in his corner, he coulda been one of the best. i always felt like he woulda been a great addition to the Wu-Tang Clan but thats just me though.

justinjones said:

ok now you're just exaggerating

Does numbers meaning he charts and gets downloads and youtube views. Why you think they wanted him as the main event for this?

You know, I think the worse part is that Canibus knew this battle was over by Round 2, so he felt bad about folks paying their money to see this, since he was giving those long a.ss pauses and boring the crowd. So he thought if he pulled out the notepad and read his verses, then people would get their money earned and have a bit of mercy for him.

Yet that sh*t just backfired and now this is going to haunt him like LL now. This is sorta sad, but this was his own fault, he had a month to practice and told everyone he could do it. I don't think people are being vicious, it's just people paid 70 dollars to view him in person AND people paid 30 dollars to see that sh*t online, nobody got their moneys worth from this.

That battle was suppose to show how Canibus wasn't nobody to mess with, or you know what? I think people just wanted to see a decent battle, people were suppose to think "Canibus was kinda weak but still ripped that sh*t from that verse". People would've been arguing with what verse canibus used that was clever and over people's heads but this...man.....there was no verse that was even worth talking about.

The fact is they've both known about this battle since late jan/early feeb and canibus said he was writing for 3 weeks how you gonna write and memorize all that material in 21 days b smh, he did this sh*t on purpose smfh. He got paid 12k for this battle smfh

Canibus has had a better career than most rappers ever have. The fact that he's still being talked about should be proof enough. Lots of people came and went since '98.

sheeeit, compared to the cats he covered the Source with (which if I'm not mistaken were NORE, DMX, Big Pun, Camron, Kurupt, 8ball) he didnt really have much success compared to some of those guys. And to think, he was the n*gga we all thought was going to be that dude. Noone really thought DMX would blow like he did. Dude just became the butt of too many jokes regardless how nice he was. Just couldnt seem to get passed that whole underground battle rapper thing. Which isnt a bad thing, just saying it would have been cool had he got more mainstream love.