Web Animation Death Battle Discussion

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SonicLover

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04:53:49 PM Nov 14th 2017

Organizing the Fridge subpage (in particular, moving the Battle Consequences in the Horror section to their own folder) got me thinking. There's tons of Fanfic Fuel in considering the unseen consequences of each fight. I think a fanfic series thereof would have a chance of being part of the remaining 10%.

Should we add a Pantheon page? I mean Wiz and Boomstick have been added to the Pantheon and pretty much every character who ends up in DB has their page updated to reflect the episode. I dunno. My thoughts are kinda mixed considering that all of the combatants do not originate from DB but it would help fans of the show to find separate characters easier in the pantheon as opposed to typing in the series and then seeing if that series has a pantheon page or individually searching separate characters in the pantheon.

Do we really need all the examples in the rules section? Practically every single line has another sentence behind it in parenthesis citing a fight where the rule applied. IMO, it's distracting and makes the page kind of hard to read. Some of them also spoil fight outcomes.

I can see maybe keeping a few for exceptions or unorthodox rules, but I think the vast majority are self-explanatory and don't really need examples to be given.

ahasemore

12:36:20 PM Dec 10th 2016

I think it's fine, sometimes an example is good. I do agree it is kinda spoilerish though.

I was thinking...Death Battle has a LOT of fan-made fights done in its name. There's an entire WIKI dedicated to fan-made Death Battles... So do you guys think we should make a page for Death Battle Non-Canon, so we can bring more attention to the fan-written fights that fans work so hard to make? My Little Pony, Gravity Falls and Steven Universe all have their own pages for fan works, so it's not too much of a stretch to give one to Death Battle too, is there? I put this here because I don't know the first thing about making a new page on this site, and I'm hoping someone else will do it in my stead.

D. Not every weapon owned by the warriors in every canon will be used. Instead, only the ones they are commonly using (as seen with Rogue or Batman) or their best or most iconic weapons (e.g. Link and Cloud were equipped with their best armor and magic) will be used.

As I mentioned in Ask The Tropers, I don't believe that this sentence is very accurate in its current form.

First, it mentions weapons only, when the examples used aren't exclusively about weapons (Such as with Rogue)

Second, as shown in several episodes, when there are dozens of options and versions available for the characters, the hosts don't always go for the "best" period, going instead for the version that's recognizable to most people familiar with the characters. Example: Superman doesn't get his DC 1,000,000 version, Batman doesn't get his Bat-Armor, and Spidey doesn't get the Iron Spider-armors.

In fact, the specific example given is a good example where the fighters weren't given their best weapons, since while they got their best armor and accessories, it was specifically stated at the start of the episode that they'll be using the weapons Link and Cloud bring with them in the Fighting Games since they believe that those would be the weapons they're most comfortable with and to get around the dozens of options available to both characters (This meant, for example, that Link didn't get the Fierce Deity's Mask and Cloud didn't get the Ultima Materia).

I think it would be more accurate to change this line to something like this instead:

D. Not every weapon and power-set owned by the warriors in every canon will be used. Instead, only the ones they are commonly using (as seen with Batman) or their more iconic ones (as seen with Rogue, who was depicted with the Ms. Marvel powers she had during the 90s X-Men cartoon and the Marvel vs. Capcom games) will be used.

Is it just me, or do a lot of people feel uncomfortable about video game characters being on the show? I mean, how are you supposed to judge someone's skills when they are tied directly to an outside force? How do you determine a character's fighting style and their favorite strategies when it's the player who makes all the decisions?

I don't mean to seem like I'm injecting Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb into this discussion, but is anyone getting tired of how they will make it seem that the two combatants are evenly matched in the character rundowns, only to explain after the battle that the winner had some ability or skill that would have made the outcome obvious if you had known it from the start? If I had known Tails could move 10 tons, I would have picked him. They never made any special mention of his strength in the rundowns so I assumed it was ordinary (I assumed he was about as strong as a human his age and size), and my entire bet rode on Luigi overpowering Tails with his strength in close combat (they did, after all, show Luigi punching someone so far away they disappeared from sight).

Some other examples of the deciding factors being made apparent only after the battle include the infamous Peach vs. Zelda battle (in which the hosts explain that they took a move from a sports-centric spinoff game and gave Peach a kick that could explode a human head), the Goku vs. Superman battle (where it was only after the fight that they broke out the calculators to determine Superman was just in an entirely different class than his opponent), the Thor vs. Raiden battle (where it was only after the fight that the the true power of Thor and the Mjolnir hammer was revealed), the Mike Haggar vs. Zangief battle (where it was revealed that Zangief was much stronger, being capable of wrestling 1000+ pound bears which are far more dangerous and heavier than Haggar's sharks), and the Strider vs. Ryu battle (where after the fight they revealed that while the loser could cut through a human body with his sword, the winner could do the same with his bare hand).

Should we add a character page for DB? Two separate folders, the hosts (wiz and boomstick), and the actual fighters. My reasoning is that many tropes apply to the fighters via a single episode and would be rather questionable and unorganised to put it on the main page. One example is regarding doomguys chainsaw that was never used in the actual fight.

Maybe we should put a warning sign at the top of the page saying not to put tropes applying to the fighters that was not mentioned or displayed in the episode, any tropes that still apply to them but are not shown should just be kept in their own page on this site... so should we give it a go?

There has to be a Trope we can use for the unmitigated disappointment that was the Blanka vs. Pikachu "fight". Anticlimax maybe? There has to be some sort of trope for a piece of crap like that.... "fight". And I use the word loosely.

LordTyph

07:20:00 PM Sep 21st 2012

I thought the ending was kinda hillarious. If a bit expected in the terms of 'Pikachu wouldn't win the fight'.

CerotechOmega

05:04:54 PM Sep 22nd 2012

I didn't watch, but one of the points is that Pikachu is dependent on Ash for instructions. Is it me, or are they unaware of the fact that Pikachu has instigated rebellions against the villainous team of the day (usually Rocket) when isolated from Ash, especially in that one Unova episode?

Kagimizu

07:33:08 PM Sep 24th 2012

Who knows, but even in fights where they had the likes of Raiden versus Thor they had a better fight. There has to be a trope or something for that.

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