apparently every major publication had machida winning it. I thought davis did fight pretty well though I have to agree with the majority that machida won.apparently davis couldnt tell which rounds he won and the judges gave him a round he def lost in the third. I kind of take decisions with a grain of salt now. unless someone is finished there are too many abstract factors at hand especially in mma where things are very vague. all those ben henderson fights come to mind. I mean he arguably lost quite a few of those and I dont think many people are convinced he's the top fighter in his class. Fighters definitely need to take more risks to get the finish. Maybe co main events should get 5 rounds aswell. I think that really makes the stronger fighter come out.

From Fight Metric:

"I was surprised to come online Sunday morning and see how many people were crying foul at the judging here. Phil Davis was the clear winner in my opinion.

Most of what I've seen from Lyoto Machida fans was the argument that Machida's flurry in the first round should've won him the round along with his takedown defense.

Looking at the striking totals, Machida was able to land more significant strikes but Davis landed more total. Looking at the rules for judging MMA, "effective striking" is determined by the fighter who lands the more total strikes—not significant strikes.

Davis landed more total strikes, thus should be the winner when considering who won the striking battle.

The grappling exchanges are where Machida fans have perhaps the best argument for why Machida should've won. Machida stopped many of the takedown attempts by Davis but was still taken down twice in two seperate rounds. Given how close the fight was on the feet, Davis separated himself with the takedowns even if Machida was able to ward off the majority of them.

Machida had virtually two moments of offense through the entire fight with his flurry in the first and a beautiful cross-counterpunch later in the fight. Outside of that, Machida was virtually ineffective as Davis landed more strikes, secured two takedowns, and by virtue of Machida's evasive style, controlled the center of the Octagon (Octagon control)."

This was exactly how I saw it. Davis landed mire strikes in the furst and second and got a TD in each. Machida landed mist if his sugnificant strikes in the third. 2 rounds for Davis. 1 for Machida. FightMetric is usually spot on with their assessments because the use numbers and numbers don't lie. Machida has benefitted from some sketchy decisions because if the way he fights. This time he came out on the wrong end. Personally, I don't think this fight should put either one in title contention.

I think you may be into something about the fight length, though. I think Davis was fading in the third. If it had gone 2 more rounds, it very well could have turned out differently.

yeah I think the total strikes thing is how they tend to judge because it is hard for them to see how clean a shot lands. in terms of pure volume i can see how davis took it. I didnt think much of the fight. btw moorewpww have you ever had to deal with guys on roids? do you think it gives them a significant advantage?

yeah I think the total strikes thing is how they tend to judge because it is hard for them to see how clean a shot lands. in terms of pure volume i can see how davis took it. I didnt think much of the fight. btw moorewpww have you ever had to deal with guys on roids? do you think it gives them a significant advantage?

It definitely gives an advantage if they use them "right". The biggest advantage roids give is greatly enhanced recovery. Fighters can train super hard every day and their muscles recover faster. They definitely get increased strength and power, too.

Most of the juicers are idiots though and just try to get as big and muscular as they can. Being big and strong is great, but not to the extent that it kills your cardio.

The only 2 guys I ever fought that were obviously juicing both gassed out in the first round. One guy looked like he belonged on the cover of a bodybuilding magazine. Claimed he had a 600 lb bench press. I believe it, too, because he was ungodly strong..... For about 2 1/2 minutes. I did what I wanted with him after that. He was so gassed that he had to lay down on his back between rounds 1 and 2.

It definitely gives an advantage if they use them "right". The biggest advantage roids give is greatly enhanced recovery. Fighters can train super hard every day and their muscles recover faster. They definitely get increased strength and power, too.

Most of the juicers are idiots though and just try to get as big and muscular as they can. Being big and strong is great, but not to the extent that it kills your cardio.

The only 2 guys I ever fought that were obviously juicing both gassed out in the first round. One guy looked like he belonged on the cover of a bodybuilding magazine. Claimed he had a 600 lb bench press. I believe it, too, because he was ungodly strong..... For about 2 1/2 minutes. I did what I wanted with him after that. He was so gassed that he had to lay down on his back between rounds 1 and 2.

what do you think about them ethically? I mean do you think it is a big deal to use them in itself? not necessarily in competition? but as a short cut

what do you think about them ethically? I mean do you think it is a big deal to use them in itself? not necessarily in competition? but as a short cut

I don't really have a problem with them. I don't think anyone should use them at all until their natural testosterone production has slowed down. Especialky not anyone under 30 or so. When I reach that point, I will seriously consider TRT. I know quite a few guys that are getting excellent results and no side effects. I won't even consider while I'm still competing, though.

I don't really have a problem with them. I don't think anyone should use them at all until their natural testosterone production has slowed down. Especialky not anyone under 30 or so. When I reach that point, I will seriously consider TRT. I know quite a few guys that are getting excellent results and no side effects. I won't even consider while I'm still competing, though.

yeah makes sense. do you use supplements or anything? have you ever had to take off alot of weight to get back in shape?

yeah makes sense. do you use supplements or anything? have you ever had to take off alot of weight to get back in shape?

I use protein powder, cycle creatine and use various pre workout supplements. Other than a multivitamin and joint care supplement, that's it. Yes I have had to take off a bunch if weight. I broke my neck playing high school football and and spent 6 months with very limited mobility. I blew up to about 330 lbs. as soon as i was cleared, i was back in the gym. It took several months to get it all off. Ve also had had 3 Knee surgeries, shoulder surgery, and a ruptured biceps tendon. All requiring significant down time. I didn't gain as much with those as I did with the neck, but it was like starting all over again. Thank God for muscle memory.

I use protein powder, cycle creatine and use various pre workout supplements. Other than a multivitamin and joint care supplement, that's it. Yes I have had to take off a bunch if weight. I broke my neck playing high school football and and spent 6 months with very limited mobility. I blew up to about 330 lbs. as soon as i was cleared, i was back in the gym. It took several months to get it all off. Ve also had had 3 Knee surgeries, shoulder surgery, and a ruptured biceps tendon. All requiring significant down time. I didn't gain as much with those as I did with the neck, but it was like starting all over again. Thank God for muscle memory.

damn. That sounds really rough man. I have to take off alot too. I m getting off this anti depressant after 5 years and it really put the pounds on. It has alot of side effects with weight gain and lack of sex drive among them. So you never messed with any of that fat burning stuff they sell at supplement stores? Losing weight sucks man.

damn. That sounds really rough man. I have to take off alot too. I m getting off this anti depressant after 5 years and it really put the pounds on. It has alot of side effects with weight gain and lack of sex drive among them. So you never messed with any of that fat burning stuff they sell at supplement stores? Losing weight sucks man.

I used the ECA stack when it first came out. The only thing I ever got out of the rest of them was an energy boost. My key to loosing weight has always been cutting carbs and extra cardio. Tough to do but easier than cutting fat or calories for me.

I used the ECA stack when it first came out. The only thing I ever got out of the rest of them was an energy boost. My key to loosing weight has always been cutting carbs and extra cardio. Tough to do but easier than cutting fat or calories for me.

thanks man. hopefully it'll be easier when I'm completely off these pills. I need to drink like 3x 12 oz redbulls a day to stay awake.