Will women ever be equal until men change? - Think Atheist2019-02-22T13:10:29Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/will-women-ever-be-equal-until-men-change?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1209216&feed=yes&xn_auth=noActually, a kayak vs an aircr…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12099152012-11-13T23:14:35.170ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Actually, a kayak vs an aircraft carrier might better represent the scale.</p>
<p>Actually, a kayak vs an aircraft carrier might better represent the scale.</p> Those zany Republicans!tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12096812012-11-13T23:00:14.047ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Those zany Republicans!</p>
<p>Those zany Republicans!</p> Here's a woman with her won b…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12096682012-11-13T20:53:09.627Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Here's a woman with her won brand of equalizer:</p>
<p><a href="http://api.ning.com:80/files/YRLUUDDsi*SSgaNPcTAToJQ5*sVqloSgAtGKzBp6Icsq5nDD8cRQy8bjqi5wwV6eojOEcarfNipC5pINa2ncN3j6HfkPzFnU/20121113T144731Z_1_CBRE8AC153900_RTROPTP_2_ARIZONACRIMEVOTERAGE.JPG" target="_self"><img class="align-center" src="http://api.ning.com:80/files/YRLUUDDsi*SSgaNPcTAToJQ5*sVqloSgAtGKzBp6Icsq5nDD8cRQy8bjqi5wwV6eojOEcarfNipC5pINa2ncN3j6HfkPzFnU/20121113T144731Z_1_CBRE8AC153900_RTROPTP_2_ARIZONACRIMEVOTERAGE.JPG" width="190"></img></a></p>
<h3><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html" target="_blank">Police: Wife attacks husband for not voting…</a></h3>
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<p>Here's a woman with her won brand of equalizer:</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://api.ning.com:80/files/YRLUUDDsi*SSgaNPcTAToJQ5*sVqloSgAtGKzBp6Icsq5nDD8cRQy8bjqi5wwV6eojOEcarfNipC5pINa2ncN3j6HfkPzFnU/20121113T144731Z_1_CBRE8AC153900_RTROPTP_2_ARIZONACRIMEVOTERAGE.JPG"><img class="align-center" src="http://api.ning.com:80/files/YRLUUDDsi*SSgaNPcTAToJQ5*sVqloSgAtGKzBp6Icsq5nDD8cRQy8bjqi5wwV6eojOEcarfNipC5pINa2ncN3j6HfkPzFnU/20121113T144731Z_1_CBRE8AC153900_RTROPTP_2_ARIZONACRIMEVOTERAGE.JPG" width="190"/></a></p>
<h3><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-car-not-voting-045426220.html" target="_blank">Police: Wife attacks husband for not voting</a></h3>
<p><span class="medium" style="line-height: 1.231;">Angered by Obama's win, Holly Solomon runs over her spouse with their car, police say.</span></p> My point here is not that peo…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12097662012-11-13T20:37:05.782ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p><em><strong>My point here is not that people above a certain age are all bigots and below a certain age are all for equality -- far from it. My point is simply that it takes generations for perspective shifts to actually materialize. It takes generations for concepts of equality which were fought over in our life times to become ingrained into the fabric of society as if it was always there.</strong></em></p>
<p><span>That links up with my point about social inertia. A couple people can…</span></p>
<p><em><strong>My point here is not that people above a certain age are all bigots and below a certain age are all for equality -- far from it. My point is simply that it takes generations for perspective shifts to actually materialize. It takes generations for concepts of equality which were fought over in our life times to become ingrained into the fabric of society as if it was always there.</strong></em></p>
<p><span>That links up with my point about social inertia. A couple people can change quickly, a couple hundred million can take a long, long time. The difference between changing the direction of a cabin cruiser vs. an aircraft carrier.</span></p> What makes you so sure that,…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12096602012-11-13T20:32:18.717ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p><span>What makes you so sure that, at least in the marriages that work, couples don't work out a solution that THEY feel is equal? That doesn't mean doing everything 50/50, it means working out trade-offs that work best for them and their children!</span></p>
<p><span>What makes you so sure that, at least in the marriages that work, couples don't work out a solution that THEY feel is equal? That doesn't mean doing everything 50/50, it means working out trade-offs that work best for them and their children!</span></p> Yeah, all the hookers would g…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12095712012-11-13T19:44:08.129Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Yeah, all the hookers would get a good laugh --</p>
<p>Yeah, all the hookers would get a good laugh --</p> I think the situation is slow…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12096472012-11-13T18:40:04.337ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
<p>I think the situation is slowly improving on the domestic front. I see a lot more men pitching in around the house and with child care than I remember 30 years ago. I have also begun to see an increased occurrence of men taking the larger share of responsibility for their children during a relationship split. This doesn't make up for all the deadbeat dad's out there - but then men who are responsible shouldn't be expected to make up for those who aren't.</p>
<p>I know what you mean,…</p>
<p>I think the situation is slowly improving on the domestic front. I see a lot more men pitching in around the house and with child care than I remember 30 years ago. I have also begun to see an increased occurrence of men taking the larger share of responsibility for their children during a relationship split. This doesn't make up for all the deadbeat dad's out there - but then men who are responsible shouldn't be expected to make up for those who aren't.</p>
<p>I know what you mean, though; we are far from true social equality. Change may be coming slowly, but I think that slow change may make for better results, rather than the social pendulum we see in other areas like how people with disabilities are treated.</p> This is what I mean when I sa…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12097932012-11-13T18:00:23.324ZObfuskationhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MikeMcLaughlin
<p>This is what I mean when I said;</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is that in many cases the criticisms are simply parroted generalizations and stereotypes, and little more than a spleen vent against “the other”.</p>
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<p>This is typical of the generalism and rad-fem buzzword use that you see on Atheism+ and parts of FTB anymore, and is a big part of why they are becoming increasingly irrelevant to serious discussions.</p>
<p>This is what I mean when I said;</p>
<blockquote><p>The problem is that in many cases the criticisms are simply parroted generalizations and stereotypes, and little more than a spleen vent against “the other”.</p>
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<p>This is typical of the generalism and rad-fem buzzword use that you see on Atheism+ and parts of FTB anymore, and is a big part of why they are becoming increasingly irrelevant to serious discussions.</p> Yeah, we're awful. Letting wo…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12095332012-11-13T13:45:22.138ZkOrsanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/kayaorsan
<p>Yeah, we're awful. Letting women pay for our every thing, using our looks to get jobs, having sympathy thrown at us for having breasts, everyone's generally acting nicer to us, women give us their places in a queue or seats on a bus, people hold us the doors, we get to board the plane early because we have a baby stroller and so on and so forth...</p>
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<p>Oh wait, that's not us.</p>
<p>Yeah, we're awful. Letting women pay for our every thing, using our looks to get jobs, having sympathy thrown at us for having breasts, everyone's generally acting nicer to us, women give us their places in a queue or seats on a bus, people hold us the doors, we get to board the plane early because we have a baby stroller and so on and so forth...</p>
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<p>Oh wait, that's not us.</p> Thank you Erin and after read…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-13:1982180:Comment:12093882012-11-13T08:06:16.976ZBryanPaulhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/BryanPaul
<p>Thank you Erin and after reading my post today, it looks standoffish (is that even a real word? Looks funny.) I didn't mean for it to be. I also realize I didn't talk about the work force. As far as work, I'll take the quick reply route. Women will take over the entire world soon. I already have my cooking apron for my new roll in life, lol.</p>
<p>Thank you Erin and after reading my post today, it looks standoffish (is that even a real word? Looks funny.) I didn't mean for it to be. I also realize I didn't talk about the work force. As far as work, I'll take the quick reply route. Women will take over the entire world soon. I already have my cooking apron for my new roll in life, lol.</p>