Wednesday, December 28, 2016

The Israeli government stepped up its running battle with the Obama administration on Tuesday, saying it had proof that the United States had orchestrated a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning settlement activity.

“We have ironclad information that emanates from sources in the Arab world and that shows the Obama administration helped craft this resolution and pushed hard for its eventual passage,” ­David Keyes, a spokesman for ­Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told reporters. “We’re not just going to be a punching bag and go quietly into the night.”

State Department deputy spokesman Mark Toner denied that the administration had “precooked” the resolution. But the U.S. explanation did little to quell fears in Israel that another Security Council censure may be forthcoming, even though U.S. officials insisted that no more U.N. resolutions are expected....

In Israel, the newspaper Haaretz reported that Britain, not the United States, appears to have been the driving force behind the resolution after Egypt, which had initially sponsored the resolution, withdrew. It described Netanyahu being sharp and caustic in a phone call to New Zealand’s foreign minister, Murray McCully, calling the resolution “a declaration of war.” Haaretz said that Netanyahu vowed to recall Israel’s ambassador to New Zealand but that McCully rebuffed the threat.

If the resolution is a declaration of war, Israel is now at war with:

China

France

Russia

the United Kingdom

Angola

Egypt

Japan

Malaysia

New Zealand

Senegal

Spain

Ukraine

Uruguay

Venezuela

The diplomatic incontinence on display by the Israeli government is a little startling. My impression is that neither the US Jews nor the Israelis understand yet that the Holocaust card on which they have relied so heavily for so long is played out due to the migrant invasion of the West.

No one feels sorry for the rich and powerful, and no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim. And no nation has the luxury of being concerned about the fate of other nations when its own fate is in question.

Maybe the Israelis are right and these nations are acting in a warlike manner. Calling out these various nations out for this is fine, should help Israelis out and let the various people and nations know that Israelis consider these nations as enemies and warlike - is that not want Israelis want ?

Should Obama or the UN be more Zionist that Binyamin "I endorse the two state solution" Netanyahu? I don't think so. Right now, he looks unhinged and is sperging like a gamma. The vote is over. You lost. Get over it.

This is how I put it on Facebork.

All those people moaning, gnashing their teeth, or otherwise bewailing the recent UN Security Council Resolution 2334. Don't waste your time or breath. This is all on Bibi. The waffler. The fence-sitter. The posturer. The poser. He looks and sounds great delivering those fiery speeches. But continues to push the Two State Final Solution and tries over and over to recruit others to cover his fecklessness. This is Bibi's time for choosing. He can renounce Arab claims to our land and the two state solution and be assured of a place in the history books, or go down in ignominy. I'm not worried about the outcome. If he chooses wrong, the L-rd, G-d of Israel, will dispatch him post-haste and send another leader who will choose right.

The two best posts on the vote and Bibi's reaction from the founders of Zehut.

Three weeks ago, Prime Minister Netanyahu gave an interview on “60 Minutes” to Leslie Stahl. When asked about his position on a Palestinian state, Bibi said the following; “Two states for two peoples. That’s where I’m focused. I’d like to have President Trump, when he gets into the White House, help me work on that. I’d like to see if the Arab states can help me achieve that. It’s a new reality. A new possibility.”

I was just thinking yesterday that if Israel is willing to harbor (((pedophiles))), (((banksters))), (((crooked lawyers))), and other (((vermin))), the good Jews (all four of them) would be safer staying in the West and throwing themselves on the mercy of even the most rabid Alt-Whiters than running to Israel. And now this display of short time preference and strategic stupidity.

Ominous Cowherd wrote:0bammy and his merry mohammedan pedophiles will be gone in just under four weeks. Could slamming 0bammy be Israel's attempt to suck up to the God-Emperor-elect?Does Trump want to wage war against New Zealand and Senegal? I doubt it.

All this drama. Does the resolution matter? Do any UN resolutions matter?

What would happen if the Israeli PM just responded with "we don't care" and left it at that?

Note that I'm not taking a side on the resolution or Israeli settlements. I just can't think of a time that a UN resolution meant squat without direct US military involvement. Absent that a UN resolution seems less meaningful then a nasty tweet.

But they're our greatest ally in the region. What about our shared values? Our Judeo-Christian heritage? Did you guys know God promised Israel to Abraham? Surely He blesses us for helping the Jews! And the Israeli army is like ten times better than the United States army! Every fourth of July I fly the Israeli flag with the US flag to show my love and support.

I think it is mostly hot air domestically, not like Jewish commentators in the USA are all that attached to Israel but they are attached to the D party and the winds of change are blowing thru the D party.

I expect a good many former D party Jews will try and publically migrate to the R party and bring their "virtues" with them, this will be fun

@14 To a degree, Security Council resolutions matter, as they have the status of international law. This resolution was toothless. Even if it weren't, "I don't care" would be a suitable response. But Bibi cares, all too much. He stakes everything on his international diplomacy, which this resolution has shown to be so much hot air. That's why he cares, and is dangerously lashing out.

There is someone waiting in the wings who doesn't care, and wouldn't sperg all over the place messing up the furniture when the UN inevitably does what it does. From the first article I linked:

In my humble opinion, there is only one political party that is saying these words and it is called “ZEHUT” (Identity) led by Moshe Feiglin. We must do whatever we can to strengthen that party and make it succeed.

When that happens, expect A LOT of resolutions in the UN against Israel but at the same time, expect an Israeli government that won’t lose any sleep over them.

When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn't God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham's offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN in 1948 and is not the Israel of the Bible. I recommend "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.

This is for Shimshon and RabbiB if he is around.Why is it that so many Jews are reluctant to exercise their right of return? Many of the Jews I've met have this semi-closeted victim mindset that seems to stem from the fact that they feel like they are still in exile or that they are hiding among a foreign(and hostile) people. Why not return?

Bibi has put a lot of time and effort into diplomacy and it's accomplished nothing. So now he's in shock and doesn't know how to proceed. He's always been a weak man, knowing the right thing to do but being afraid to do it. This was proven after bibi refused to abrogate the Oslo accords during his first term as premier.

1. Nobody is playing any holocaust card. Netanyahu is a drama queen, but I've never heard him once refer to the holocaust as justification for his antics.

2. Recalling ambassadors is a well recognized part of diplomacy. Why New Zealand would care whether they do or don't have an ambassador from Israel is anybody's guess.

3. Netanyahu doesn't care about diplomacy here. The right response was what Ben Gurion said: "It doesn't matter what the Goyim will say; what matters is what the Jews will do." But Netanyahu cares most about posturing for his supporters in Israel. The image he works to sell is of being tough on the one hand, and a class act with foreigners because of his excellent, accent-free English and MIT education (have you ever heard Rabin speaking English?) I guess those credentials impress some. So this is all about Netanyahu being tough.

@24 Jew613, I was Bibi's neighbor prior to his first stint as PM (his nanny and children were over at my place a few times). That was fun. But I knew all along that he wasn't going to change anything after his victory. His reluctance to drain the swamp (by renouncing Oslo or refusal to investigate Rabin's murder more deeply) in 1996 despite his astounding victory was my wake up call that politicians do not rock the boat, regardless of posturing.

@23 TheSmokingMan#3424, having grown up pretty completely assimilated with not even the slightest interest in Israel beyond understanding it as some sort of Jewish state, I can say that Jews, especially the assimilated variety, but even those who should know better, like living in America (in particular), enjoy the impressive comforts (which were much more stark in my youth; the Israeli economy was a basket case in the 1970s and much of the 1980s), and most importantly, feel very much at home among their "fellow white people." They are also completely oblivious to how much they stick out like a sore thumb, no matter how much pork they consume.

I had a spiritual awakening in college and from that point on, even though I continued to reside in America for a time, the intention and desire was to make aliyah, which I did permanently a few years later, thank G-d.

Why is it that so many Jews are reluctant to exercise their right of return?In Israel we call this "galutiyut". "Galut" means exile, and "galutiyut" is the property of being in exile. It's a mindset, mostly, the mindset required to live as a minority in somebody else's country.

As long as Jews live as a minority in some country, they can be the doctors and the lawyers, the artists and scientists. They don't necessarily have to be rich, but they can select what positions they want to hold in society.

That can't work in Israel. In Israel, you need Jews to be plumbers and taxi drivers and stock brokers and yes, the people hauling the trash are also Jewish. Nobody will support you in Israel if you insist on being a lawyer when you're no good at it.

Make no mistake. The majority of Jewish Americans don't like Israel very much. It is nationalistic, militaristic, very much not in line with the side of American politics that they picked. They like the idea of Israel. They like that it's there. See that? We Jews can do anything. We occupy this niche in society because we choose to, not because we have to.

Why is it that so many Jews are reluctant to exercise their right of return?

It's quite comfortable here in the US and life in Israel is not easy, financially and otherwise. There's an old joke: How do make a small fortune in Israel? Come with a large one.

I was talking to an Israeli visiting in the US a few months ago and he indicated that before aliyah organizations like Nefesh B'nefesh, over 50% (maybe more) of Jews who made aliyah had returned to the US before the end of their first year in Israel. That rate is considerably lower now, but it takes a lot of determination and commitment to stay the course and adjust to life in Israel.

I also think a Jew's relationship to Torah and the G-d of Israel is a critical factor. I think that an increased distance from Torah and Hashem tends to diminish the desire to live in the land promised to Abraham Avinu.

G-d will ultimately have His way, though. He always does.

When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your G-d disperses you among the nations, and when you and your children return to the L-rd your G-d and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, then the L-rd your G-d will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.

Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the L-rd your G-d will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. The L-rd your G-d will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

The L-rd your G-d will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. You will again obey the L-rd and follow all his commands I am giving you today. Then the L-rd your G-d will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land.

The L-rd will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors, if you obey the L-rd your G-d and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the L-rd your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. (cf. Deuteronomy 30)

@33 Absolutely. The name itself is "Identity" after all. Feiglin even has a bit of the populist in him. He's not going after what most people on the right consider their natural base, the religious and "settlers." None of that for him. He's in the Israeli heartland, secular Tel Aviv, selling his message, and making great inroads. It's the Steve Sailer Strategy tailored to Israel. He's going to do far better than any of the usual suspects expect in the next election.

All Jews should join (yes, even you Rabbi B). There's also an international organization (Zehut International) for those not yet in Israel who want a voice in Israeli politics.

The best explanation is that Trump has encouraged Netanyahu to unleash this attack, which is most unprecedented in targeting Obama. Trump certainly doesn't want war with New Zealand or Senegal or other countries on the list, but he may very well want a kind of "war" with the UN--and it certainly happy to see Obama humiliated on his way out and Jews alienated from the Democrats.

Carlos Danger wrote:@Shimshon: what are your parties principles and platform? What is its attitude towards America? What is its attitude towards its neighbors? What is its attitude towards Christians?

Thank you in advance for your response. It is rare to get the chance to talk to Israelis first hand.Not very rare around here...Anyway, there's no entry in Infogalactic, but the Wikipedia one seems to be the PR kind of entry, meaning it's an official page from the party. The Infogalactic page on Moshe Feiglin has some of his views.

I think you take your rhetoric too far in this post, but Israel does need to take some responsibility for Obama stabbing them in the back with this UN resolution. Eighty percent of American Jews voted for the natural-born Kenyan in 2008; 70% were dumb enough to vote for him a second time in 2012. It was obvious, even before his usurpation, that Obama was a pro-Muslim, anti-Jew far-Leftist.

Israel needs to educate their American brethren that without a conservative America Israel ceases to exist. Jews now have a nationalist homeland. Time to quit parasitizing. Besides, it is a maladaptive parasite that kills its host.

A small bit of anecdotal evidence that supports the idea of a seismic shift taking place regarding the Jews. My wife has always been a middle of the road conservative, and not even a particularly political one, tending more toward the liberal side of that spectrum.

This political season she got red pilled pretty hard. For the first time in her life she is open eyed about the leftist media machine, the culture war, and the destabilizing effect of immigration--all without reading much of anything that can be called Alt Right. The most hardcore sites she visits are Drudge and Breitbart.

There are a bunch of gaps in her red pilling, the JQ among them. But as her mindset has changed I've made some occasional comments; you might call these JQ 101, and pretty mild stuff, like pointing out that 2% of one ethnicity controls over 40% of the levers of power, or that Jews are among the most reliably leftist group in the western world, or disproportionally over-represented within ideological realms that have produced feminism and all the other isms. That sort of thing. Mostly laying a foundation to understand how destructive of Western Civilization they have been as a group.

To my surprise she has been extremely receptive to this. Much more so than I would have thought, given that many years ago she worked for a Jewish organization and still has many Jewish acquaintances and a few friends, and has always held Jews in very high regard. It's as if during this political season she reached a tipping point in which the confluence of events caused an involuntary shift in her thinking; a shift that allowed her to be receptive to information she would have found repellent at one point, like the suggestion that we are not a proposition nation.

Anonymous Conservative likes to talk about the involuntary shift from r to K that happens as people's amigdala begins to learn to feel fear and discomfort again. I suspect that something along those lines has been happening to my wife, and while I wouldn't characterize her as ever having been r, the changes she has experienced were not brought about solely through logical reasoning, and in fact, her ability to be persuaded logically has required a prerequisite mental/emotional shift. Watching the media attack Trump so viciously was one big catalyst in that change, and I suspect she is a microcosm of what millions of people are going through.

For more info on Zehut, you could see the about page which summarizes its platform and goals:

http://www.zehutinternational.com/about-zehut

I would summarize it further as nationalist libertarianism of an avowedly and unapologetically Jewish bent. Feiglin himself has a very large body of writing (much of which has been helpfully translated into English) which gives broader coverage of his views. His essay right after 9/11 is extremely informative in this regard. He was in America at the time and was flabbergasted at Bush's "Islam is a religion of peace" response.

By the way, I guess I would say that Zehut is an expression of alt-right ideology. Just like Trump or Putin. I don't think either would explicitly lay claim to being alt-right.

you can make some sort of an argument that Russia is at 'fault' for Syria ( specious though it may be )...but ACCEPTANCE of immigrants is WHOLLY within the purview of the nations refusing to follow their own immigration Law and criteria and throwing the gates wide open.

to accuse Russia of being responsible for immigration policy of EU nations is to admit that every EU government is ... a Russian sock puppet.

Zehut is pretty indifferent to Christians outside of Israel. Given the policy platform, I would say that Christians who don't agitate against the state and recognize it and its Jewish nature are welcome to stay.

This was a recent post by Feiglin on Syria, which I think is telling about how he views Israel vis a vis our neighbors:

Ultimately, the flight from our identity brings about the loss of both our morality and our security. The most logical and natural expectation would have been that from the very beginning of the conflict in Syria, the strong, modern, local superpower bordering on the site of the atrocities would take responsibility and intervene to prevent the calamity.

Clearly, we do not want to endanger our sons in a war that is not ours. But what would have happened, for example, if at the beginning of the war, Israel would have delineated a safe zone, protected from artillery and bombs, parachuted tents into there, humanitarian aid, opened field hospitals (run by international volunteers) and the like?

What would have happened would have been that the only jets flying through the skies above the Golan Heights would have been Israeli – not Russian, as is the case today. This type of strategy would have positioned Israel in an appropriate ethical stance while preserving its effective strategic position.

[Consider instead what Bibi did, which was welcome the "rebels" right up on our border, since, after all, the "rebels" are not the Syrian government. The idiot thought he was oh so clever, didn't he?]

Didn't God say that the nations would burden themselves with Israel and attack it? Israel will indeed suffer, but, not as much as their enemies are going to suffer, in this world and in the next. And it makes sense to me. What sort of a degenerate deviant Dirt Bag Supremacist would prefer the savage and barbaric Philistinians over the civilized and productive Israelis? Really, I'm dead serious about this question. The Israelis have their faults, but, they do represent civilization, whilst the Philistinians represent Satan himself. So, what gives with all this sympathy for the devil?

Shimshon wrote:Should Obama or the UN be more Zionist that Binyamin "I endorse the two state solution" Netanyahu? I don't think so. Right now, he looks unhinged and is sperging like a gamma. The vote is over. You lost. Get over it.

Three weeks ago, Prime Minister Netanyahu gave an interview on “60 Minutes” to Leslie Stahl. When asked about his position on a Palestinian state, Bibi said the following; “Two states for two peoples. That’s where I’m focused. I’d like to have President Trump, when he gets into the White House, help me work on that. I’d like to see if the Arab states can help me achieve that. It’s a new reality. A new possibility.”

It doesn't get more stupid than that.

Netanyahoo is not an Israeli nationalist (Zionist) or some Jewish version of the Alt-right, though he really likes to play one on TV. Israel itself is very nationalist (even the left parties are nationalists apart from the tiny communist element there) so one must talk the talk to get elected. Bibi is really a cuckservative - somewhat like Ted Cruzman-Sachs - telling the idiocracy one thing while doing the bidding of his paymasters in the globalist axis of evil. The only thing worse than the two-state solution would be for him to advocate a Palestinian "right of return" to Israel proper, which would be an accelerated version of the same thing.

These modern polilticians sling the word "war" around while having no understanding of what the word means. The last war ended in 1945. Everything since then has been little brush fires. Is it that the white races (and white = caucasian, which certainly includes almost everyone from Ireland east to Bangladesh and from Finland south to the north edge of the Sahara desert) have to have a war every 50 years to remind them what war actually is?

The last war Israel was at all involved in ended in 1945 with deep losses for the Jews. Since then, Israel has been so weak that they have been unable to conquer even the Arab states around them. No Arab capital has ever seen the boots of the Israeli army except Beruit. They got there by invitation and were driven out by amateurs. The Israelis talk about war but they know nothing of it.

The vaunted Israeli military is in the same position as the vaunted Polish military of 1935. Same dangerous reputation but the inherent weakness of every shitty little country. For war you need at least a population of 100,000,000. Below that and what you're talking about barely exceeds the casualty counts of the chariot racing riots of the late Roman empire.

and no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim

territory acquired in a defensive war is rightfully the property of the country defending itself. i can't believe you said that (occupied). you sound like a fucking arab. i never thought i'd say you need to look up the history of the attacks on israel, beginning on the morning in 1948 when they were first declared a nation 8 hours earlier.

James wrote:The Israelis have their faults, but, they do represent civilization, whilst the Philistinians represent Satan himself. So, what gives with all this sympathy for the devil?

Looks like the Israelis are of the devil as well.

John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Honestly, I don't care about any side in the Middle East. I just want all US troops brought home from that cesspit and all aid to every other nation ended.

Israelis are not Americans. I don't care if they live or die. Israel could be pushed into the ocean tomorrow and it would not change my life one bit.

No one feels sorry for the rich and powerful, and no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim. And no nation has the luxury of being concerned about the fate of other nations when its own fate is in question.

The same could be said of white South Africa, which Israel helped destroy using the very same tactics.

Israel's greatest enemies are not foreign nations, but non-Israeli Jews who both attack Israel and antagonize the Western nationalists who would, if not directly support Israel, would not care what happens in Israeli controlled territory.

Israel seems to be having difficulty dealing with the disappearance of the Israel First party in the USA and Europe....All of which is a product of madcap immigration policies pushed by wealthy Jews...The decline in Ashkenazi intelligence was apparently not limited to science.

Shimshon, not trolling and feel free to not answer, but do you oppose the 'two state solution' if the other state is the Trans Jordan (the original two state solution...British mandate divided into TransJordan for the Arab/Muslims and Israel for the Jews)?

This might be lame rhetoric (I do not have our hosts flare for it) but 'We already had a two state solution. Didn't work.' is roughly my (atheistic westerner) feelings toward middle eastern borders. Not my fight, but my views.

You don't merely sound like an idiot, you are one.you don't say? east germany was occupied until the russians agreed to leave by treaty. the u.s. troops in japan is an agreed treaty also. stationed troops are not the same as an occupation. so no, japan does not belong to the u.s. there is no case to be made for sympathy for the so-called palestinians. they are generic arabs. there is no such thing as an arab palestinian. there has never been a country called palestine. the romans named the REGION palestine and originally that is what they called the jews who were the indigenous people of that region. arabs are nomadic tribesmen. they only began to settle there AFTER it was made livable by the jews. it was a gravel pit before. i'm not an apologist for the jews. but the history of the region clearly shows that they have no claim to any of that land.

I'm thinking Netanyahu is being crafty and wise and covering with a little bluster. He understands things have now changed and is changing with them.

Up until now every nation that isn't the U.S. has felt free to indulge the Progs, anti-Semites and arabs (remember all that oil money buys a lot of influence regardless of actual political belief) by taking the Palestinian side at the U.N. because the U.S. would veto it and it would just be a show vote.

But now everybody knows it isn't just for show, especially in the next couple of weeks. Obama has destroyed the Democratic Party for a generation and apparently now feels like he is free to fly his freak flag high, accomplish as much chaos as possible in this last opportunity before power slips from his side.

Netanyahu needs to make the members of the Security Council who aren't truly invested in this issue understand there will now be a price to pay for voting. Chum the waters up enough everybody stops simply reflexively voting like it were still only show votes, knowing that by the time most countries engage their internal political process and can reevaluate their positions, this danger will pass.

This was a recent post by Feiglin on Syria, which I think is telling about how he views Israel vis a vis our neighbors:

"Israel did not intervene in Syria because on the very deepest level, we don't feel like we belong here. Israel, in flight from its identity, constantly craves legitimacy. It would never dream of conducting itself like a local superpower that has responsibility and yes – interests – beyond its borders."

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That last sentence might as well have said, "The sky is orange." Israel doesn't conduct itself like a superpower anywhere, let alone beyond its own borders, because it's not a superpower. Such a claim supplants the notion that Israel has no activity outside of itself. There is a sky, but it's not orange. Israel does conduct itself quite actively beyond its own borders, just not the way a superpower does.

There's nothing new under the sun, and the State has learned nothing other than to wrap itself in a fresh set of underwear.

Germany and Japan were restored to independence, of a sort, at the discretion of the Peoples who conquered them, so, yeah, it is essentially the case that territory conquered by the defendants in a war is morally and ethically the property of the victor to do with whatsoever they please. Also, I would add that just because people lose a defensive war doesn't mean they are morally superior. I think the moral superiority of the Israelis over the disgusting and vicious and violent and worthless Philistinians indicates that the Israelis deserve the land over the claims of the Philistinians, who would destroy everything good that the Israelis have built over the last 100 years and turn the place back into a barren worthless desert, the way that Mark Twain described it.

"Looks like the Israelis are of the devil as well.John 8:44-45King James Version (KJV)44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Honestly, I don't care about any side in the Middle East. I just want all US troops brought home from that cesspit and all aid to every other nation ended.

Israelis are not Americans. I don't care if they live or die. Israel could be pushed into the ocean tomorrow and it would not change my life one bit. "

I believe it is a leap of illogic to say that because Jesus pointed out that the corrupt rulers of Judea, who collaborated with the Roman occupiers in pursuance of their selfish interests at the expense of the people, means that Israel is evil compared to the Philistines being good, in the geopolitical sense. The problem for Israel is that prophecy says that they will make a treaty with the Beast, a deal with the devil, thinking that it will bring them peace, instead of trusting God to give them peace. It is prophesied that many Israelis will die in the same conflagration that also kills excrement loads of gentiles, but that a remnant will pull their heads out of rectal spiritual defilade and see that they pierced their own Messiah, and turn to Him for their ultimate salvation, and God will receive them back into His family and graft their branch back into His family tree.

Netanyahu needs to make the members of the Security Council who aren't truly invested in this issue understand there will now be a price to pay for voting.

price? what price? are you a delusional fucking retard?

what's Israel going to do? stop taking two BILLION dollars every year from the US government?

Reading is fundamental my friend. The U.S. is "truly invested" in this issue, we spend billions, would probably (whether you or I think that wise is unimportant) become involved in a military capacity if things went hot, etc. I was clearly speaking of countries that do not really care and vote for virtue signaling, a little Arab oil money, etc.

Another big reason that the Marxist Communist Leftist "Progressive" Social Justice types would support the Philistinians and oppose the Israelis is because Israel makes the desert bloom, which is unnatural. We all know that "Progressives" want to return the earth to its natural state, uncontaminated by human alterings, and so therefore they prefer the ignorant and degenerate Philistinians, who would in fact return the Holy Land back into a barren desert, as described by Mark Twain in his famous travelogue.

Bibi advocates in the interest of Israel. He may make some mistakes, but he's done a pretty good job. If only the US had such a man, wait we may soon enough. Trump is not going to let Bibi tell him what to do; on the other hand, he'll be greeting him at the front door, man to man. Donald, Vlad and Bibi - that would be a beer summit (well, except for Trump I guess LOL).

"territory conquered by the defendants in a war is morally and ethically the property of the victor to do with whatsoever they please"

Ethics and morality got nothing to do with it. "We want that, we took it, now its ours, what you gonna do". This is the underlying reality, afterwards narratives can be concocted for why it was yours all along, or anybody's really. For example, all the shitlibs who say "its not your country".

Moralitys main purpose is to make you and your group strong, not just against the hardships of life, but also against potential enemies who want your bread. Progressive morality is DESIGNED to make you weak. I'd say by moronic low-T nihilists who don't really know what they are doing. Don't read the Cultural Marxists words, look at their faces.

Lets say the "West" is finished. They lost belief in god, whatever. Muslims take over Europe, and parts of USA is sidelined as an inward looking Christian nation. Israel won't be Jewish anymore, and it won't be called Israel either. And if all the history books that say otherwise are gone, and the minds that believed it was the Jewish homeland are gone. Where is it?

I agree with the idea that moral right doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to geopolitics except that it strengthens and motivates those in the moral right to effective action, in this case ultraviolent action.

@67 "Netanyahu needs to make the members of the Security Council who aren't truly invested in this issue understand there will now be a price to pay for voting."

Pray tell, what price could Bibi possibly exact?

Would he threaten to employ harsher language, spoken even more eloquently? Perhaps employ a British accent?

I know. He could play Arnold Schoenberg very loud at the UN. That might actually work. But you still need a backup.

The smart choice, given that Bibi had an option, was to sit back and enjoy the fireworks. Or perhaps coordinated a response with Trump. Anything but what he did. At this point, since he's already made the threats, the only logical choice is to carry through in a genuinely meaningful way to show he means business. That means repudiate Oslo immediately. Otherwise, events are likely to spiral way out of his control faster than anyone thinks possible, as the nations (SEVENTY NATIONS are planning to attend Paris) line up against him. All the nations he so assiduously courted both openly and behind the scenes betray all that magic diplomatic pixie dust he claimed to possess. He knows Trump's got his back. In realpolitik today, that's really all that matters. He is willing and even eager to take the entire world on in defense of Israel. Why get in his way? Repudiate Oslo immediately. Do that, and he can still sit back and enjoy the fireworks. BE"H.

"The diplomatic incontinence on display by the Israeli government is a little startling. My impression is that neither the US Jews nor the Israelis understand yet that the Holocaust card on which they have relied so heavily for so long is played out due to the migrant invasion of the West.

No one feels sorry for the rich and powerful, and no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim. And no nation has the luxury of being concerned about the fate of other nations when its own fate is in question."

Yep, yep. Even so... Also, Israel is *GOD'S LAND* and *HIS COVENANT*.

It's foretold virtually all the nations of the world will go against Israel eventually and God will intervene to protect His Nation and His People under His New Covenant.

Hi Shimson, can we execute Dan Senor, Bill kristol and all the people running bribery and blackmail rings on american pols as they are de facto agents of a foreign nation? Top 20 donors of both parties are mostly Jews, who don't consider themselves white.

Snowden gets the espionage act, and Jake Sullivan gets to advise Hilary on how to do more of Israel's bidding. Dan Senor tried to sabotage Trump even though he's a Republican (nominally).

If Israel is a 'major ally' why do they hate white people so much?

Gamma fascism. Lie to my face baby, make me feel dirty. If Jews didn't control the media, they would be expelled.

Shimson needs to buy some canned goods and young boys penis blood for the coming dethronement of the Necromancer. The jig is nearly up. Even with Trump, the political correctness censorship on talking about vampire Jewish fraud schemes and Jewish degradation of American culture and values goes full steam ahead. Yeah! The (((1%))). Eventually conservatives will realise socialism works if you understand its mostly jews that push the (((neoliberal))) autistic shit.

"They've got nukes. They should be able to take most of those countries one on one."

So does Pakistan and N. Korea.The Necromancer's real power is in mind control and information gating.

Media falls. Zion weakens.

The real revolution will be proving the etymology of the word 'rac-ist' is a Jewish invention. That will be when the Necromancer will throw his last ditch rage at the world. Tick Tock. Only the West buys 'rac-ism' because the Jews control the education system and Hollywood.

@98 Yet the same, mostly non-religious Jews who control American education, finance, and media are telling Israel to pursue a two state solution. They're bringing Africans and muslims in the West to create a multicultural utopia.

So all you alt right/new left types say you hate Obama and the progressives because they are stupid and their foreign policy sucksBut, when Obama and the Progs bash Israel, you alt right/ new left scream Right on Right On Right OnSo, do you actually think Obama is stupid? Cause if he is and you agree with him what does that make you? Or are you only agreeing with his joooo bashing because the mainstream media is correct, you are all a bunch of racist anti semites?Cause the only options are you are stupid to agree with Obama who you say is stupid or your anti-Semitic. Those are the only two ways you can agree with Obama and his anti semitc. anti Israel position.Oh wait, there is a third option you are all just a bunch of stupid anti semites like the 1920 democratic klan members who you seem to mimic.

Wait, let's not be too hasty in dismissing the use of nukes. We haven't used them in seventy plus years. Even the Russians can hack our elections and we don't use the weapons in our arsenals.

Israel has been met with an act of war they should respond with decisive force. Russia has certainly done worse in our last elections and I am certain proof will be forthcoming any day now. Nuclear war it is the only way to respond if it really happened.

0bammy and his merry mohammedan pedophiles will be gone in just under four weeks.

The Pedosta's will still be having extra cheese spirit cooking.

This is all on Bibi. The waffler. The fence-sitter. The posturer. The poser.

I thought it was just gay jews that hated Bibi.

I am a founding member of Zehut...All Jews should join (yes, even you Rabbi B).

Even the bacon eating jews mentioned above who hate Bibi as much as you do? If Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership is willing to take their money, no reason you couldn't as well.

There's also an international organization (Zehut International) for those not yet in Israel who want a voice in Israeli politics.

Could it be that the poison pill of non citizen vote fraud returns to it's creators kool aid bowl?

territory acquired in a defensive war is rightfully the property of the country defending itself.

If someone fails to bash me is it ok for me to steal their car?

Germany and Japan were restored to independence, of a sort, at the discretion of the Peoples who conquered them

"Germans you may chose between a gay jew justice minister or a lesbian jew justice minister" supported by US M1A1 Tanks.

Shimson needs to buy some canned goods and young boys penis blood

If he didn't buy it before Planned Parenthood Gate he might not be able to afford it. But the good news is preppers can still buy fish antibiotics online after Jan, only "food/livestock" antibiotics are going to be limited.

But, when Obama and the Progs bash Israel, you alt right/ new left scream Right on Right On Right On

I wish the worst curse possible on Israel, that most jews will make Aliyah.

10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

are not compatible. If the global humanity project can't work then the former is inevitable, and wealth, land resources, are all up for grabs. I'm guessing that point 10 is a PSYOPS. Its ironically a globalist statement as clearly none of it could ever be enforced without a Leviathan punishment structure.

Euros beware of US MAGA. The last time America went great, millions upon millions died everywhere. There were proportionally very few casualties for US.

The US "govt" greatest fear is Europe allying with Russia. That is the primary reason why we have to hate the Russkies. The Russkies HAVE been getting involved but the reason is to get Euros to hate Americans. And turn Americans against govt. Its easy the TRUTH is on their side.

The vast majority of all this "truth" has been US involvement in the deliberate destruction of reasonably civilized countries like Syria. Most of those people would not be dead without the great Yank libertarian foot being aimed smack bang in the Syrian sub-IQ moronic thicko gob, that you Yanks love telling everybody about.

There will never be a two-state solution until the Arabs come to the negotiating table having already recognized Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. Until then, no US administration should waste its time.

As for Netanyahu's declaration of war, what's the upside? What does he hope to gain?

@Jay WillStarship Troopers and "violence never settles anything" comes to mind. With the rejoinder, of course, being “I’m sure the city fathers of Carthage would be glad to know that."http://www.isegoria.net/2010/12/violence-never-solves-anything/

Yeah, that's about my attitude too, though I'd modify it as "We westerners already set up a two-state solution, but you Jews and Arabs didn't want to make it work. So now you're on your own. Come up with your own solution, and don't ask us for help."

@17. No, we will just sneak in, steal your weapons, and use them against you. We may not have a strike arm for the airforce, but we do have light infantry, and we think of the Sandbox as a good training environment.

Jack Amok wrote:The question still remains, what cost? What cost does New Zealand or Japan pay for siding against Israel?

Why should there be any cost? Why should Israel be anymore important and protected than Venezuela or the Philippines which are roughly the same size economically. Why should Israel be any more special than Honduras or Tajikistan which have the same size populations. Why should Israel take attention from Slovenia or El Salvador which are roughly the same geographic size.

If the US just has to have a "BFF" in the world, either the UK or Canada would be a better fit. Why not Switzerland or Costa Rica, both are peaceful nations that don't go around starting wars and assassinating people they don't like.

Local perspective with one comment: Whaleoil (Cam Slater) is being red pilled by this and is abandoning National, looking for a Nationalist party that will be 'a friend to Israel' and stop Muslim immigration.

bob kek mando ( NABTY ) wrote:therefore, according to YOUR OWN presentation of the facts, you Jews all lost your claim to land in Palestine 'fair and square', being defeated by conquerors.

You ignore 2 things. Aboriginal Title claims in the States, and the fact that When the Romans ended Jewish polity , they did not expel all the Jews. Jews have had a constant presence in the land for 3700 years.

Don't ask me, ask John Morris, he's the one claiming Bibi is just making sure other nations know there will now be a "cost" for opposing Israel. I'm just curious what he thinks the cost would be, since, as others have pointed out, Israel doesn't really appear to have a lot of options for imposing costs on other nations at the moment.

"No one feels sorry for the rich and powerful, and no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim. And no nation has the luxury of being concerned about the fate of other nations when its own fate is in question."

Vox, I'm a little confused. If your statements are true, neither do those countries have to make the concerted effort of slapping Israel up side the head in public.

I understand the sentiment of those who are against those Jews whom never assimilated into the U.S., and have been determined to implement their own agenda on America. I believe they should go to their own Homeland. But I don't understand the position of those same people who couldn't care less if Israel was wiped off the face of the earth by the Islamic demons that surround them. Why hate the Jews that have chosen Israel as their home? It is, and always has been, their territory, according to God. There's no way around that.

I understand the sentiment of those who are against those Jews whom never assimilated into the U.S., and have been determined to implement their own agenda on America. I believe they should go to their own Homeland. But I don't understand the position of those same people who couldn't care less if Israel was wiped off the face of the earth by the Islamic demons that surround them. Why hate the Jews that have chosen Israel as their home? It is, and always has been, their territory, according to God. There's no way around that.

@129 Israel does a lot of little stuff in other countries. Technical help with desalinization and agriculture in dry climates; riot control, tunnel detection, military intelligence stuff, emergency response of certain kinds that they are good at. Not the world's biggest thing, not the world's smallest thing.

Now if we're lucky, Israel will start imposing costs by releasing secret information stolen from all those countries with their own #pizzagates - but to do that they'd have to be ready to handle their own #pizzagates too.

Israel is a client state, not a BFF. England and its 'Special Relationship' is much closer to a BFF.

As to why pay attention to Israel instead of El Salvador....hmmm....was the Creator of the Universe a Salvadoran? No? Really, you don't say? It seems like deliberate ignorant rhetoric on display here.

Another point, is there a major group, indeed, the most powerful political group in the world deeply interested in the fate of Israel....that would be evangelical conservatives in America, btw, and ftw. Again, yes.

Is there some super powerful group deeply involved in El Salvador? No. La Raza and the DNC have some interest, but not that much.

As to why the Jews haven't set foot in many capitals, its because the US held them back. Also because the Israelis don't have the same bloody mindedness I do.

That to my mind is a curious question. Why haven't the Israelis burned a couple cities to ash? While the Israelis would lose to the US in a heartbeat, we are not talking about the IDF fighting the USMC, but the IDF fighting guys who don't aim their rifles. Arabs.

But, my position is fairly sensible. Remain friends with Israel. Cut them loose, and let them kill them as need killing.

Eminent domain the UN. Urban renewal. Leave the UN.

Face the fact that Jews and Arabs are never, ever going to be friends. It goes back to Ishmael and Israel, sons of Abraham. Also, the Prince of Earth hates Israel. And many loser countries use Israel as an excuse for their own faults. And yes, the Jews are their own enemy. They need to turn to the Risen Messiah.

So many jews on these threads its unbelievable. Israel is such a special place to these people that they can't see why it shouldn't get billions in tribute from America or unending wars against its 14 middle eastern enemies for its lebensraum. Many are being purposefully obtuse, and deflecting blame on Arabs or New Zealand or Mother Teresa.

The vote was 14-0 by the way. The whole world can't be arab.

These 'arguments' are a good insight into the mind of the slippery conniving Zionist. Now imagine there right hand bell curve equivalents. Scary. No wonder Bibi thinks he owns the world.

Pfui. If any other nation defied the bullying the United States when our esteemed Emperor, Barack I, told her she had no right to exist, the Alt Right would be the first to emit whoops of nationalistic cheering.

It is a pretty paradox. The Jews are hated for being foolish warmongers when they speak up for themselves, and then hatred for being foolish cowards when they do not.

Is it just me, or does a lot of the vociferous condemnation of Jews sound the same as the vociferous condemnation of Straight White Christian Males? Because they accomplish great things, and get to the top of the heap, they are resented and hated? Because it seems like God favors them in some way, "Choosing" them and/or "Electing" them seems to provoke severe envy in the all the people who seem less accomplished? I notice that Jews don't deserve to live in Israel for the same kinds of reasons that Straight White Christian Males don't deserve to live in North America. A while ago I came up with what I call my "Dirt Bag Supremacy" theory, that the Marxists elevate the filthiest dirt bags to supremacy in order to subvert society while they undermine the people who actually accomplish things. So it makes sense that Jews and SWCM's are vilified at the same time that ne'er-do-wells are celebrated.

Americans and Israelis have similar problems with global decolonialism, that is why we will stand together.

The same argument and tactics the Arabs are using against Israel, the Mexicans use against us: we stole their land, they want to use the demographic weapon until such time as they can use military weapons.

Do you know what I want from Jews? I want them to stop being anti-white.

The recent shenanigans of Obama might have caused a light bulb to go off for many Jews that the "Coalition of the Ascending" is a real threat, worse than the phantasm of white anti-semitism (the powerless alt right).

"Secretary of State John Kerry delcared [sic] Wednesday that Israel "can either be Jewish or democratic" but "it cannot be both.""

John, you're right. I choose Jewish. Bibi, make that choice.

When the Israeli elites talk about Democracy they don't mean the people electing the government. Remember Israel's last free election was in 1984. What they mean is a Western Hellenist system to stand in opposition to Torah. Its long past time to have a truly Jewish state run according to Halacha.

The Branja have maintained their power through control of the government bureaucracies. The Left doesnt really win elections anymore. But Bibi has always wanted to be part of the elite. He's like a moderate Republican in the US.

Israel will become a truly Jewish state either through gradual demographic shifts, the country has become increasingly religious as the elites become more self hating. Or through a seizure of power by the daati(religious) elements of the army.

Moshe Feiglin is a good man, but I dont believe his plan will work. Remember his efforts to take over the Likud? As soon as he made any progress Bibi and his gang changed the rules. Not to say Zechut doesn't have what to contribute.

@141. You are too short for this ride. I agree with others; Israel should be left alone. The Arabs can break themselves against that rock. We can acquire some useful tech from the Isrealis: and they, as a sovereign nation, can include and exclude who they want.

As a Kiwi, I'd prefer we excluded those our current gov't imports: Saudis and Democratic whiners.

Israel is not the USA's best friend forever. The Liberty, Pollard and similar incidents demonstrate that truth.

However, like the USA (in theory), Israel is a force for Western civilization, whether that be the advancement of knowledge, the rule of law, or any number of other criteria. In my mind, that means Israel is a better ally to the USA than any number of Arab states. So I really don't care to sort out a centuries (or millennia) long dispute over who owns what in the Middle East. One party is more reliable than another, so from a USA standpoint, I side with Israel.

And as a partner of Israel, we should have treated her better. I'll quote Sam Spade, "When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference what you thought of him. He was your partner and you're supposed to do something about it."

The Obama administration failing to veto the UN resolution is regrettable. One of the strings we had on Israel was the UN. We've frayed that string. We still have foreign aid (which we should end, for our own budgetary reasons and which I think Israel doesn't really need) and intelligence sharing (a mutual benefit), but the net positive relationship has been strained.

As to what Israel can do about it, that depends. Senegal, for example, has an on again and off again separatist movement in the Casamance province. Since Israel is a massive arms dealer, it could (in theory) arm the rebels (with plausible deniability, of course). Israel also probably has the best Western intelligence gathering apparatus in the Middle East. It could punish certain countries by withholding whatever intelligence it may gather. I doubt they would do this (especially in regards to the USA) but it is a possibility. It could also interfere in various elections (which is only fair as Obama tried to swing the Israeli election). Not certain how effective this would be, but Netanyahu sitting next to and shaking hands with a candidates in a variety of countries might help that candidate win (though this would be case by case).

Israel also provides technical assistance in a great many countries, though this would primarily be in Africa and Asia. In this regards they would be in a position to help friends and punish enemies by merely being selective with their assistance projects.

Israel is not perfect. No country is, including the USA. But we are not so powerful that we can do without wingmen covering our six. We have few enough friends in the world, so it would have been in the USA's interest not to piss in Israel's cornflakes. Which is exactly why Obama did it.

For those who claim we have no "special relationship" with Israel, that may be true. The UK and Canada may take that spot. I also personally think we should be building those relationships with Poland and other Eastern European countries (who present as being far more willing to put their gun belts on when the occasion calls for it). In the meantime, Israel was a better partner than most and we spit in their eye for the benefit of a people who would just as soon as see American burning. It was a stupid decision.

John Wright wrote:Pfui. If any other nation defied the bullying the United States when our esteemed Emperor, Barack I, told her she had no right to exist, the Alt Right would be the first to emit whoops of nationalistic cheering.Obama is trying to sow discord in his last days in office; Netanyahu's response was to immediately declare war against New Zealand. If you think that's a good strategy for Israel to follow, whatever. Not my kikes, not my nukes. Too bad about all those historical sites they live on top of.

Shimshon wrote:But what would have happened, for example, if at the beginning of the war, Israel would have delineated a safe zone, protected from artillery and bombs, parachuted tents into there, humanitarian aid, opened field hospitals (run by international volunteers) and the like?You would have been yelled at for starving the ‘refugees’ when the war ended and you stopped providing for them. Don't create another Palestinian Problem.

Jew613 wrote:Israel will become a truly Jewish state either through gradual demographic shifts, the country has become increasingly religious as the elites become more self hating. Or through a seizure of power by the daati(religious) elements of the army.

Moshe Feiglin is a good man, but I dont believe his plan will work. Remember his efforts to take over the Likud? As soon as he made any progress Bibi and his gang changed the rules.So you're waiting for an Israeli Trump to #GasTheSwamp? Great, then we won't have to sort out the (((crooks))) for you.

Steve Moss wrote:In the meantime, Israel was a better partner than most and we spit in their eye for the benefit of a people who would just as soon as see American burning. It was a stupid decision.Obama spat in Israel's eye, because he lost the election and wants to harm the U.S. and its allies as much as he can on his way out. He's trying to provoke Russia too; now he's looking for a way to impose sanctions on them for allegedly hacking Democrats whose passwords were “p4ssw0rd”. His current pattern of behaviour was entirely predictable, as was this specific action against Israel. Everyone knows that Obama will be out of office in less than a month now. Putin has had the sense to wait the nutcase out. Netanyahu couldn't wait; he tossed the bowl of Cheerios off his high chair, just like Obama wanted.

[b]Netanyahu couldn't wait; he tossed the bowl of Cheerios off his high chair, just like Obama wanted.[/b]

And this hurts Israel how? By offending the nations that voted for the UN resolution? Why would he care if he offends them, at this point? In fact, Israel's expression of outrage may very well help opposition factions in some of the countries involved.

How does Israel's statements hurt Israel in the USA? Obama identified himself as an enemy of Israel. This helps Trump. Now, if Trump does anything to rectify the situation, he'll be Israel's BFF. This will only solidify Trump's support among evangelicals (who are largely on board anyway) and the Israel first crowd (who haven't but may wake up to what the Democrats and neo-cons really are), at the small cost of irritating people who were already irritated with the USA.

So mock Netanyahu and his associate's statements if you like. So far as I can see he has not hurt Israel's interests one bit by making them. And he may have set up an easy slam dunk for those he views as being more friendly to Israel, like Trump.

Either Obama is trying to start a war in the middle east or he just wants to kick Bibi in the nuts or make life harder for Trump our maybe all of the above. He's petty small and mean, Obama is the worst president in my lifetime.

If Israel creates problems for Trump in dealing with Russia, the UK, Japan and New Zealand, Trump's goodwill will go away. Most of the 14 countries Israel just accused of declaring war are far more important to American's national interest than Israel. It's a very dangerous thing for Israel to force the US to make choices there.

Also, Obama and his kind are out of power in a few weeks. How long they stay out of power depends on how successful Trump is. Creating stupid shitstorms that Trump has to deal with doesn't help keep the Muzzie-loving Progs out of power.

Brick Hardslab wrote:Either Obama is trying to start a war in the middle east or he just wants to kick Bibi in the nuts or make life harder for Trump our maybe all of the above. He's petty small and mean, Obama is the worst president in my lifetime.

Probably trying to make like difficult for Trump. There's really no bad side to this as it ultimately discredits and damages the UN, John Kerry, and Housenigga Hussein himself along with the non-existent lobby which cannot be named and their SJW/Cuckservative establishment step-n-fetchits here in the Banana Imperium. The hand-wringing of heretics who worship Talmudists has been amusing to say the least.

Israel can easily ignore the UN resolution. After all, who is going to force them into compliance? The Venezuelan Navy? Who knows? Maybe Bibi will be so pissed off he releases the details of the John Doe known as B. Hussein Obama's real ancestry. Another plus lies in seeing the revelation of all the cucks - including alleged Christians - who are willing defend a Jewish ethno-state (a thing which nearly all oppose for white nations in the name of Golden Dindu) down to the very last American soldier, just like the Littlest Chickenhawk. The whole affair sheds more light on the vast cesspool in which the oligarchs and their toadies swim.

Billy Ray wrote:hitler was right, blae the jooooooooosss, kill the joooooossss, send the jooooosss to the death camps...and the difference between the nazis and the alt-right is what again? oh right NOTHING

Most of the 14 countries Israel just accused of declaring war are far more important to American's national interest than Israel. It's a very dangerous thing for Israel to force the US to make choices there.

NZ is not. Senegal is not.

Bibi is not going to a risk with Russia and France or the other main players.

Senegal isn't, but NZ maybe is, absent the artificial inflation due to cold war proxy battles and neocons. The Cold War ended over a generation ago, and neocons are on their way out. Plus, the Arabs are running out of oil and have already run out of any good will they ever had among most westerners.

But ultimately, it's still the same. Steve Moss asked how this over-reaction hurts Israel. Creating problems for the US among our other allies weakens Israel, and adds a few more folks to the group that thinks of Israel as just another Middle East shithole full of people causing us grief. Most Americans like New Zealand, even if you Kiwis are a pain in the environmental and anti-nuke ass from time to time. Picking a fight with you doesn't make people more sympathetic to Israel.

4g warfare has exposed the UN security council as a failed institution:

The basic problem is that the council’s founding premise of a world ordered by states no longer holds. Conflicts involving al-Shabaab, Boko Haram or Islamic State originate from particular local circumstances but often have regional and global reach and consequence. Designed to prevent and arbitrate state-to-state conflict, the council has failed to adapt to an entirely different world.

You are witnessing the death-throes of the UN, as it passes into history like the League of Nations, because bureaucracy engenders inflexibility.

137. John Wright December 28, 2016 5:56 PMIt is a pretty paradox. The Jews are hated for being foolish warmongers when they speak up for themselves, and then hatred for being foolish cowards when they do not.

who is misrepresenting positions now, John?

or are we to take it that you approve of Israel declaring war on New Zealand?

the fact is this:

Obama and Netanyahu have been jamming their thumbs in each other's eyes for pretty much the whole time Netanyahu was re-elected to Prime Minister.

you remember that Israeli election in which DNC operatives were directly consulting with Bibi's opponent? meddling which, according to Hillary is an "act of war"?

we know Obama is ( at minimum ) a Narcissist. OF COURSE he's going to try to screw Netanyahu over one last time.

be glad Obama's screw job was as feckless, toothless and ineffectual as a UN resolution. hope he doesn't manage to arrange worse before Jan 20.

that doesn't mean that declaring war ( or threatening to do so ) on one of sponsors is a diplomatically USEFUL thing to do.

"Territory acquired in a defensive war is rightfully the property of the country defending itself."

The rule is that territory acquired in *any* war is rightfully the property of the victor, but this rule applies only to major powers. And for them it applies only to the extent that they can enforce it.

The rule does not apply at all to little countries. The reason is that they never have the ability to enforce their acquisition.

Turkey, population 78,000,000 is enough of a major power that their acquisition of Armenian and Kurdish territory sticks. Turkey could do this because the country has sufficient power that it can do whatever it takes to its minorities.

Israel is a much weaker power and relies too much on friendly relations with other countries (mostly US, nowadays). That reliance limits how brutally Israel can treat the Arabs in its borders. Similarly with China and Tibet, etc. Israel is simply too weak to, over the long run (i.e. the next 200 years maybe a lot less), win the conflict with the Palestinians. Honestly, other than the barriers, you could walk from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank in about an hour and a half, IIRC. The Palestinians are part of the Arabs and the Arabs are just too big of an ethnic group for them to defeat, at least over the long term.

So the Palestinians have zero motivation to faithfully negotiate a permanent peace solution.

"So the Palestinians have zero motivation to faithfully negotiate a permanent peace solution."

The Palestinians have been duped. They can't beat Israel at anything and they've only expanded their ghetto in smaller and smaller amounts of territory. Add to this they have no friends willing to finance their success.

And all they have to do to get on the road to success is recognize the existence of the state of Israel. If they did this one simple thing they would have nearly the entire world putting pressure on their enemy to deal.

'Don't Be A Chump' the Princeton Review Guide To Negotiation is a great little book that I often advise - you can get an older paperback for pennies plus shipping - and it puts names to all the many techniques the Palestinians use to scuttle any possible deal.

It is a pretty paradox. The Jews are hated for being foolish warmongers when they speak up for themselves, and then hatred for being foolish cowards when they do not.

Going to enlist and fight for Israel against Russia and China, John?

Good luck with that.

Do you seriously not understand how retarded it is for ANY nation, let alone a little one that would be wiped out by less than a handful of missiles, to claim that it is in a state of war with BOTH Russia and China?

I didn't realize "cutting monetary aid to and decreasing diplomatic relations" is the same as "declaring war".

It isn't. The Prime Minister directly stating that other nations have declared war on Israel is. Seriously, you "Israel can do no wrong" types get so triggered by even the most justified criticism of an Israeli politician that you can't even read. Better stay well away from Martin van Creveld's work. His critique of the IDF's performance will put you in a catatonic state.

If anyone actually took Netanyahu at his word, Russia and China would be fully justified in attacking Israel today. Fortunately, nobody, not even the New Zealanders, pay that much attention to his inept diplomatic posturing.

And while I like Duterte and dislike Netanyahu, the latter has behaved in a very circumspect manner here.

You think it is circumspect for one national leader to tell another national leader that his nation, and thirteen others, have declared war?

That's insane.

If you don't think it's a big deal, imagine if Obama called up Putin today and announced that Russian interference in the US election was a declaration of war by Russia and China. Even Obama isn't dumb enough to do that. But Netanyahu apparently is.

The Prime Minister directly stating that other nations have declared war on Israel is.

Netanyahu supposedly used this rhetoric in a private conversation with a New Zealand official.

Or at least that's what the New Zealand official claims.

And while Netanyahu has cut aid and severed diplomatic relationships with New Zealand and Senegal, he hasn't retaliated in any manner against either Russia or China.

Wouldn't that be in perfect accordance with your position?

And Vox, I criticize Israel more than you do, but on entirely different grounds.

I criticize Israel for being too cowardly, allowing too much foreign interference, being meek in the face of globalist organizations trying to crush it (the EU and UN), kowtowing too much to Muslims, having too many Muslims in their country (17%, compare to France's Europe-leading 9%), and not embracing their nationalist identity.

Which, in the same vein as cuckservativism, is utterly ineffective and only emboldens their enemies.

The same problems, incidentally, that Meir Kahane noted before his nationalist party was banned from the Knesset by the Israeli High Court for being "racist".

You, by contrast, criticize Israel the one time they even (rhetorically) show a bit of gumption, even if it's supposedly in a private telephone call to a New Zealand official.

Jew613, can you explain what you mean about the 1984 being the last free Israeli elections?

It was after the 84 elections when Rabbi Kahane zt'l and the Kach party were banned from running. Since then as long as you essentially agree with the status quo you can run. If like the Rav zt'l your actually a threat to the elite then democracy doesnt exist. Since your in Zehut you can ask Shmuel Sackett all about it.

173. SteelPalm December 29, 2016 5:42 AMYou, by contrast, criticize Israel the one time they even (rhetorically) show a bit of gumption, even if it's supposedly in a private telephone call to a New Zealand official.

because coming to the US to address Congress at the invitation of the Republican members, in direct opposition to the expressed wishes of the Democrat president, takes no gumption.

especially when that Democrat president could, possibly, have shut off $2 billion per annum in aid to Israel. unilaterally.

you know, you'd help your case quite a lot if you toned down the flagrant lying a teensy bit.

@174 Jew613, as soon as I read SteelPalm's comment preceding yours, I realized what you meant. Yes, I do remember the incident, though firsthand only vaguely as my interest in Israel at the time was pretty minimal. And I have certainly read more since. You are correct. That was a watershed moment.

You, by contrast, criticize Israel the one time they even (rhetorically) show a bit of gumption, even if it's supposedly in a private telephone call to a New Zealand official.

I always criticize stupidity. If you can't grasp that a Prime Minister EVER using the words "declaration of war" to the foreign minister of another country without meaning it is utterly stupid, that's hardly my problem.

My perception is Netanyahu is freaking out about the diplomatic offensive against Israel and the obvious lack of support from the present US administration. It won't surprise me if there are more such blunders before the God-Emperor ascends.

In my experience no one feels sorry for the poor and helpless either. They just make a great deal of noise about it and/or use the plight of others as an excuse to indulge in ego tripping.

My perception is Netanyahu is freaking out about the diplomatic offensive against Israel and the obvious lack of support from the present US administration.

Agreed. But unlike others, I actually like him better for it. One of the traits I picked up from the Israelis was that I can't stand emotional falseness. Netanyahu's oratory would always set my teeth on edge, and until now I've hated the man for it. Seeing him as human actually warms me to him. So now I only dislike him intensely.

But the real question I have for you, if you have the time for it, is this: What would you do if you were in our position? I know what I wish we would do, but I am curious what you would say.

You have seen Vox extend an offer to interview Moshe Feiglin in this thread. How interested are (((you))) in seeing this happen? This is Vox's first offer to interview anyone that I know of (that is, publicly) in six years.

If you want this to happen, would it be worth putting (((money))) on the line? Think of it as Chassidic Puppies, if you like (I'm Yekke, so perhaps Yekke Puppies, which has a certain ring to it). Would any of you consider joining Zehut International (if you live in the diaspora) or Zehut Israel and expressing a request along with joining for Vox's request to be granted? International membership is $10 per month. I don't know what Israeli dues are, but I believe they're cheaper.

Please let me know if there's interest. I've spent $100 to be part of Rabid Puppies (twice) and will spend again if a certain Supreme Dark Lord endorses such. I would spend the money to make this happen. But I'm a founding (life) member, so all I can do is appeal to you (with Vox's permission) to prove that the interest is there by Jews. The money will be well-spent. I did, as it happens, donate $100 to the recent fundraising campaign. There is that.

"If anyone actually took Netanyahu at his word, Russia and China would be fully justified in attacking Israel today. Fortunately, nobody, not even the New Zealanders, pay that much attention to his inept diplomatic posturing."

Well, God dis say that He would put hooks in their jaws, didn't He?

Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee. 7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. 9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

I think it amusing that people think Israel has harmed it's interests by Netanyahu's alleged statements. I say alleged as McCully has not confirmed the words of the conversation, it is only other unnamed diplomats who allege it was said. Anonymous hearsay, not the most reliable evidence.

But let's assume it's true. So what? Russian, China, France, etc. are hardly going to go to war over it. They have enough problems. And they have never been friends to Israel in any event. Their interests lie with other, anti-Israel nations.

Israel has no relations with Malaysia and Venezuela.

Netanyahu has already meet with ten of the other ambassadors from the other countries and has reprimanded them.

Israel has eliminated it's aid to Senegali in response, a Muslim country it spent years trying to build a relationship with. Didn't work out for Israel, which is a bit of a lesson. Now Israel can save a few bucks.

New Zealand's ambassador has been barred from Israel and Israel has withdrawn it's ambassador. New Zealand papers appear to be praising McCully even has they express concern that this may have an adverse impact on NZ via America when Trump becomes President.

Netanyahu is not acting the part of a man willing to remain silent and kiss the ring. He's being loud and aggressive. He's exposing Obama and Kerry as being behind it. I'm not in his head, but the only real ally Israel has is the USA. By generating buzz he elevates the debate in the USA. He forces politicians and political parties to take sides. I believe this will harm Democrats, damage Obama's "legacy", and strengthen Trump. And if a strengthened Trump supports Israel, then Israel is stronger.

There was nothing to gain by Israel being diplomatic. There is a potential gain (and very little to lose) by digging in and causing a scene.

I'm very curious how Trump will deal with this. I'd bet money he'll be stronger for it.

"no one believes that a nuclear power occupying conquered territory is a helpless victim."

Yeah well, some of us believe in HISTORY, some of us remember that it was the Arabs who started all wars against Israel. In fact, there are no Palestinians, in 1948, those people considered themselves Jordanian and Jordan in fact invaded. In 1967, Israel realized it needed more breathing room between them and the Arabs, so they took back their biblical lands.

Palestinians don't exist, there's no Palestinian language, no culture, they're simply barbarians. Remember when Gaza was returned to them? They got a greenhouse, the flower business is really strong in Israel, it made them $125 million from exporting flowers to Europe.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3359169,00.html

What do you think the palestinians did with the greenhouse? They destroyed it. Why? Because they're savages who would rather turn their own children into suicide bombers than live in peace.

American Indians on the other hand, they build casinos on their reservation. See? That's the difference between a civilized race and unworthy barbarians. A civilized race will progress no matter their circumstances. American Indians have come a long way.

"fuck, you pansies didn't even "take" the land in Palestine back, it was England that beat the Ottomans and formed the Palestinian Mandate.therefore, you can't even make the claim of right of military conquest.Israel, as it exists today, is wholly the legal fiction of the UK and US."This reminded me of the fact that the last entity to actual claim direct national sovereignty over "Palestine," as opposed to merely "occupying" the place, was the Ottoman Empire, which has not existed for almost 100 years now. So it is not exactly clear who is occupying what, is it? The Philistinians say that they are "occupied," but when exactly was it that they established actual sovereignty in land of Philistia? And so what if the legal fictions of the UK and the US support the creation of new legal fictions like "Israel?" If it comes down to whose side I'm on, I'm on the side of those that make the desert bloom, and against the side that creates a desert wasteland, even if they tear up the New Testament. Both sides in this particular controversy tear up the New Testament, so that is not a factor in the decision, as such.

1 the 5 permanent members of the un security council exercise veto as suits them, the rest appear to be supporting the underdog. this time obama screwed the pooch. usa was expected to veto. look at britain...doing some serious damage control.2 Egypt original proposers of resolution, backed off, why? because they knew that this was not going to be a token effort vetoed by usa.3 israel hater and muslim countries went ahead doing what they always do4 minnows wanting to look good pursued the issue ...nz and sengal in particular. nz had nothing to lose economically but Senegal certainly does. nz has lost credibility, even australia is questioning their decision...nz had nothing to gain...sour grapes from past mossad operations?5 Im sure it was no secret that obama admin was not going to exercise veto. 6 netanyahu is pissed because so called allies were sitting on the fence, voting against whilst relying on usa veto7 this is the beginning of a new world order...Trump called it...money talks....if the usa should provide majority financial support for un then by golly..they should receive value.7 Dangerous times for the world?

If Israel ceases to exist, then the Jewish parasitic population of the Eurosphere increases dramatically.

Jews did help the Brits defeat the Ottomans and conquer Palestine during WWI by enlisting the US on the side of the Allies through the Jewish international finance web. The European Jews got the American Jews to influence US policy in return for the promise of making Palestine the Jewish homeland nation -- all of Palestine. A legitimate division of the spoils of war under natural law.

Ha, ha, ha Israel! You pussies would be totally chopped to shreds by the Kiwis! We have more MSSA's (Military Style Semi-Auto) Rifles per capita than any other country other than the USA! We are hunters and masters of the bush so bring your desert warfare to NZ at your peril. We are traditionally a Warrior nation and very proud of our contributions in both World Wars losing more soldiers per capita than any other countries. We would fight you to the death! So bring it on! Pussies! 💥👊🏽