El Dudereno:Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.

I've said it before... the Republican idea of utopia is standing atop the rampart of your mansion-fortress, gun in one hand and dick in the other, jerking off as you watch the rest of society starve to death outside.

Generation_D:I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?

You know what's hilarious? I have a gun-nut cousin who has been extremely vocal on Facebook the past couple years about gun rights. Re-posting all the usual, terrible infographics and "fact pictures", linking to every story of local violence he can find and pointing out how it could have been avoided (spoiler alert: guns)...I think there may have even been a few WND links sprinkled here and there.

The other day I suddenly realized I hadn't seen much from him lately, and wondered if I had hidden one too many of his links and Facebook was just black-holing his stuff to me. I get to looking and notice that his profile has been scrubbed of nearly everything, his name has changed slightly, and I'm no longer his friend. Clearly he's deleted his Facebook account and created another one.

Turns out his job at a public university ran out of grant funding for his position and he's looking for a job.

Granny_Panties:Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

It's not being built for real defense. It's for hardcore LARPing. This is the real life equivalent of moving your character to a PVP server.

Sock Ruh Tease:The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

"Q6: Are you now, or have you ever been a member of, or associated with any racist group or subversive association that espouses the violent overthrow of these United States or any individual State?YesNo

Target Builder:Urbn: So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...

And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.

If the Citadel actually happens, I think the producers of one of those hoarders shows will be able to make an entire season out of it

You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?

Doktor_Zhivago:Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

That community's defense are practically impenetrable. Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.

One of the primary reasons for a lease paradigm versus private property inside the walls is our desire to make the community for Patriots only.

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.

You guys are nuts. It's going to be just like Disneyland! We just need to go to Derpcott Center to sign our Patriot Agreements!

Patriots: The following represents a voluntary set of conditions to which every single Patriot who accepts a residence in the Citadel must agree, in writing. This is a voluntary Agreement. The Citadel is a martial endeavor designed to protect Residents in times of peril (natural or man-made). The Citadel will be built as a fortified bastion of Liberty. The Citadel is not the best housing solution for everyone. Read carefully.

The purpose of this agreement is two-fold. Firstly, it informs all Residents of their obligations to their fellow Patriots. Secondly, this Agreement will assist individuals/families in making an informed decision to opt-out of residency in the Citadel Community in the event our lifestyle is incompatible with you and/or your family.

Preamble: We the People come together in this covenant of our free will and do pledge our Lives, our Fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Jefferson's Rightful Liberty, defined as unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. We further affirm our intent to abide all Constitutional laws of the United States of America and our State of residence.

One: Once ratified, this list of conditions may only be altered by unanimous consent of all parties governed by this Agreement, i.e. full-time Residents. Full-time residency will be defined by a select panel of full-time Residents who will also establish guidelines for acceptable exceptions for absences.

Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere.

Five: Every household within the Citadel will remain stocked with sufficient food, water, and other preparedness essentials (to be detailed elsewhere) to sustain the needs for every member of the household for a duration of one year.

Six: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older shall pass a class every three years sponsored by the Citadel on basic emergency medical care; the courses shall focus on battlefield and wilderness environments.

Seven: Every child attending Citadel schools - with parental discretion for maturity - shall have as part of every semester's class curriculum basic marksmanship and firearms safety training leading to the proficiency test on the child's 13th birthday as a "Coming of Age" rite of passage (a parent may attend the classes or personally train the child if so desired). Children attending schools beyond the Citadel, or home-schooled, are required to meet the same proficiency standards at age 13.

Eight: All Patriots, who are of age and are not legally restricted from bearing firearms, shall agree to remain armed with a loaded sidearm whenever visiting the Citadel Town Center. Firearm shall be on-the-person and under the control of the Resident, not merely stored in a vehicle.

Nine: Each household will provide ONE able-bodied Patriot (aged 13 or older) who shall muster one Saturday per month for Martial/Support Training for neighborhood-level training & musters, as set forth by the Militia Commanders of the Community. No single Patriot shall be required to muster more than once per quarter. In the course of every calendar year every able-bodied Patriot and every full-time resident in each household must participate in at least three musters (one neighborhood-level and two full-scale). Part-time residents must participate, in good faith, to the best of their ability.

Ten: Twice annually a full-scale Town Defense Drill will be held for all households and all residents (once in winter weather & once in summer weather).

Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

Twelve: Violations of this Agreement will result in review by an arbitration panel consisting of Citadel Residents with appropriate and proportional disciplinary action taken. The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

Thirteen: All Citadel Citizens agree to accept dispute resolution by an arbitration panel in the event a problem that cannot be resolved between residents.

Live ink signatures from all adult applicants (age 18 and above) is required prior to final approval for residency in the Citadel Community.

You are the Chosen Ones. You have been raised up from Brutality to kill the Brutals that multiply and are legion.To this end, Zardoz, your God, gave you the gift of the gun.

I represent a small group of families in Michigan. Like you, we have been persecuted by our government and our neighbours for our religious and political beliefs. We believe that the indulgent and hedonistic nature of our society will soon be it's downfall, and are taking the necessary steps to prepare!!

It's a huge relief to find other like minded people, and I can't wait to start the application process. Your belief in traditional values is a perfect match with our Islamic faith.

We are very independent and tend to keep to ourselves, but as a good neighbor I will offer open Quran study sessions, and invite my neighbors to observe our prayer sessions. I find it's best when everyone understands each other!!

Thanks again, and I look forward to sharing a community with you all!!

Looking at the map I have just realized that if the Citadel is built according to specifications then how are they supposed to deliver supplies to the weapon factory and weapons to the outside world? Unless they are planning on practicing alchemy and creating steel and other ferrous materials on the spot. Unless they are planning on using swallows to airlift stuff in and out.

whidbey:qorkfiend: whidbey: What is the Citadel?The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.

OHHHHHH shiat.

Nah. It's just an old-school company town, repackaged as a Freedom Center.

Now look, we don't need your New York Union Man rhetoric raining on this wonderful opportunity.

qorkfiend:whidbey: What is the Citadel?The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.

OHHHHHH shiat.

Nah. It's just an old-school company town, repackaged as a Freedom Center.

Now look, we don't need your New York Union Man rhetoric raining on this wonderful opportunity.

randomjsa:Except for that whole "likes America" thing, I don't see why liberals would not be in full support of this. It sounds pretty much like something they would come up with except for, as I say "likes America" thing.

So you're saying that the only difference between liberals and conservatives is how much they like America?

randomjsa:Except for that whole "likes America" thing, I don't see why liberals would not be in full support of this. It sounds pretty much like something they would come up with except for, as I say "likes America" thing.

Thank you patriots.As your President, Barack O'Bama, I commend you in starting the first Fema Re-education Camp.The second one being Glenn Becks in Texas.We all strive to educate the ignorant, in order to further move the United States towards harmony.

Teufelaffe:Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

No credit or background checks, a lifetime lease, free guns, in a fortress in the middle of nowhere. Anyone else see "Meth Lab World" developing here? Maybe get one of those 10,000ft homes inside the walls with 1 acre. Grow pot in the back yard (just say it's hemp for rope...), cook meth in the 10 x 30 workshop and live the, erm, high-life in your 10,000 ft home inside the fort. If anyone asks what you're doing in your workshop, just calmly "Preserving Liberty" and reach for your AR15.

When the feds show up, just close the gate and wait for the black helicopters.

It has a post office. I thought they hated the government? Why would they avail themselves of government services? If they're so bootstrappy, why not start their own Pony Express or something? No mooching off my tax dollars! *harumph*

One of the things I don't like about myself is the hope that a massive earthquake destroys this place and they get to discover how effective their 30 caliber penis substitutes are to deal with a natural disaster. You need clean water, you say? Just shoot holes in the ground, Jesus and Jefferson will guide you.

Lost Thought 00:More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.

Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

So, this is what they consider "proficient" with a handgun. A stationary target, from 25 yds, the size of a human, and you need to hit it 70% of the time. Heh.

Target Builder:Urbn: So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...

And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.

Yeah, regular cholera and typhoid outbreaks will keep opening up housing for new, company town "tenants"

Urbn:So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...

And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.

Well. This looks entirely safe and not at all like it's going to seriously warp the children.

/I'd be fine with them doing whatever the hell they want, but they spend a lot of that 'Patriot's Pledge' focused on teaching kids to shoot. Which would be fine if they weren't doing it because they REALLY REALLY FEEL THE NEED to let the kids know SOMEONE WILL TRY TO KILL THEM, AND PROBABLY THE GUBMINT. That is not healthy.//Seriously, can the FBI just work out a 'you guys calm down the crazy with the kids and we won't come after your asses'-type deal with them? Sounds like the best solution for everyone. Let them get bored and walk away on their own.

qorkfiend:Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturerB: A ScamC: The actual plans of a highly delusional personD: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

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derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.

No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!

There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".

If the world ends and humanity is reduced to roaming bands of nomadic wastelanders eking out a pathetic existence from the rubble of what was once civilization, what is the use of money? Even if it is in gold and silver coins? I mean without some sort of functional production based economy money is pretty much useless and barter is far more useful for people even in the confines of a 'prepper' apocalypse bunker equivalent. I mean I assume they would pretty much close down the compound to the outside world in the event of a catastrophe so who the hell is gonna need any gold?

"Oh hey thanks for that .12mm caliber ammo you made in the factory here's a gold coin""But I can't eat gold and the grocery store has been closed due to supermutant infestation since the end of the world""OK here's a $20 bill""That's a useless waste of space since the world has ended. What about some food or medical supplies or something useful instead?""Uh... here's a silver coin with a picture of Thomas Jefferson."

cryinoutloud:You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?

"Don't get all gung-ho breaching the second unit. There is absolutely no feng shui goin on in that place. It's an affront on all the senses, really."

cbuhler:TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?

One of the funniest things I've read on here in quite some time. I love the M80 idea..

Extra bonus points: On one or two trips, swap out the M-80 for a vial of suspicious white powder. Because I don't see much of a hospital on that proposed map.

qorkfiend:<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7532764/81859523#c81859523" target="_blank">Doktor_Zhivago</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?</i>

I like it. But, .12 mm ammo?

Pshh, obviously some kind of librul gun hating pussy. If you knew anything about real guns you'd know all about .12mm ammo. Its the only thing that will stop a supermutant cold.

Fail in Human Form:Doktor_Zhivago: Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7532764/81859523#c81859523" target="_blank">Doktor_Zhivago</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?</i>

trotsky:Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

Yeah, a M1 could easily just ram through their walls. There's a reason why the Maginot line was outdated before it was even built.

They really have a hard on for their guns, jeez. I bet they want the "patriots" to buy their AR style weapon from the "ARMS Factory".

Talk about fleecing the rubes. Damn, wish I would have thought of this.

Except the Maginot Line wasnt outdated. Its exact purpose was to make the entire Franco-German border so dangerous and costly to cross that any potential invasion would HAVE to go through Belgium. Which is exactly what happened. That the French and BEF failed spectacularly to stop the ONE avenue of invasion that they themselves forced into existence is not the ML's fault.

If you surround every window and door of your house with pitbulls and barbwire except for one, and you STILL get robbed from that one opening, its not the pitbulls fault.

Nuclear Monk:Sock Ruh Tease: The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability. Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

While pretty low on the list of things they may not have thought all the way through, this pretty high on my scale of being easily amused: I wonder which John Parker it is that they've named the central green after. Was it the one who ran for POTUS in 2004 on the Workers World Party ticket? Perhaps it was Abraham Lincoln's bodyguard, who was charged with neglect of duty after a certain visit to the theater? Maybe John J. Parker, an American judge who served at the Nuremberg Trials? Or was it the character from Buckaroo Banzai?

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

That community's defense are practically impenetrable. Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.

Flaming Yawn:I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.

It's under the museum, and it's not for you to know about. Lots of nude gun-oil rituals, purely expressive of patriotism and not at all homoerotic, but far too beautiful for Outlander eyes to witness.

The panhandle of Idaho is renowned for its scenic beauty, notably rugged mountains and rolling hills. It is among one of America's most superbly beautiful landscapes. Whatever the season, you will find numerous recreational activities. Indulge in boating and other forms of water sports. Enjoy world-class fishing on Lake Coeur d'Alene or on many other lakes, rivers, and high-mountain streams. There are trails for hiking, picturesque paths for strolling, as well as places ideal for biking or horseback riding. The Idaho panhandle has also earned a stellar reputation for champion hunting and deluxe skiing!

I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.

CADMonkey79:So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Shiat, I think you give them too much credit. If that map is accurate, there is one inner and outer gate and no other entrance in or out. A couple of local Sheriff's Deputies could just borrow a snow plow from a nearby town, park it in front of the gate and wait a bit.

Teufelaffe:Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

jayhawk88:You know what's hilarious? I have a gun-nut cousin who has been extremely vocal on Facebook the past couple years about gun rights. Re-posting all the usual, terrible infographics and "fact pictures", linking to every story of local violence he can find and pointing out how it could have been avoided (spoiler alert: guns)...I think there may have even been a few WND links sprinkled here and there.

The other day I suddenly realized I hadn't seen much from him lately, and wondered if I had hidden one too many of his links and Facebook was just black-holing his stuff to me. I get to looking and notice that his profile has been scrubbed of nearly everything, his name has changed slightly, and I'm no longer his friend. Clearly he's deleted his Facebook account and created another one.

Turns out his job at a public university ran out of grant funding for his position and he's looking for a job.

Obama saw his facebook page and realized what a real American patriot he was. Obama had him fired. Obama is also blocking him from getting another job. Why would Obama do this? Because after awhile your friend is going to get hungry and he'll be forced to shoot up a middle school for lunch money. This is what Obama wants. He wants us all unemployed, starving, and shooting school children for lunch money. It's a fact.

Great_Milenko:I pity any children who are dragged there to live by their insane prepper parents. Of course, this thing is still in the "planning" stages, so it's probably nothing more than a scheme to separate scared lunatics from their $33 thanks to the "application fee". Either that, or it's viral marketing for a reality show. The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold. I will be shocked if they actually build this monument to bed wetting.

And from Wikipedia:

The racial makeup of the county was 88.66% White, 0.12% Black or African American, 8.94% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.25% from other races, and 1.82% from two or more races. 1.55% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 26.6% were of German, 11.7% English, 9.5% American and 8.6% Irish ancestry according to Census 2000.

I'm sure that had nothing whatsover with the selection of Benewah (balls) County as the location of Berghof II.

Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington have had, shall we say, "weapons-grade derp" for decades. Google Ruby Ridge, I'm sure you have, neo-nazi HQ up there by Hayden Lake too, and then there was the guy a few weeks ago who took his Constitutionalist views to court over a bicycle traffic citation and ended up on youtube getting tazed. "I will not form joinder with you! I am a not a Man, I am a Person!" -- using some half baked naval law interpretation that 1) since captains are legal authority aboard a ship at sea, you 2) therefore can claim you are the captain of your own "ship" (your Person) and 3) therefore not be subject to any federal laws.

Weapons grade derp is a growth industry in northern idaho and eastern washington.

The very few less-than-positive responses we've had from folks currently living in Benewah County are interesting, but not unexpected. Every large project encounters pushback, even by people who have much in common with the "new folks". It's human nature.

Folks in Benewah are preppers - so are the folks coming to the Citadel.

Folks in Benewah like Liberty - so do the folks coming to the Citadel.

Folks in Benewah like the country lifestyle, the mountains, the fishing - so do the folks coming to the Citadel.

The folks in the Citadel will essentially live on their own 3,000 acres and won't be trespassing on anyone's private property.

The folks in the Citadel will get their hair cut in Benewah County - I bet the barber's and hair salons will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will need wells - I bet the well companies in Benewah will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will like hunting & fishing - I bet the local Guides will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will need propane, cut wood and fuel oil - I bet those companies will be pleased.

The folks in the Citadel will wear clothes - I bet the dress shops and clothing stores will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will be hiring people - I bet the unemployed in Benewah will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will eat - I bet the diners and livestock ranches will like that.

The new Citadel residents will be opening dozens of new businesses - I bet the local papers and radio stations will love the new ad revenue.

If the average Benewah resident, right now, is a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, shooter, prepper, survivalist, you'd think he wouldn't mind having a few thousand more like-minded people nearby who mind their own business, stay on their own property, are good neighbors, yet are willing to cover his back if ever needed. It's not like the folks in the Citadel are California Hippies.

3,000 acres is a tiny sliver of Benewah County, probably will never be seen by a single resident of the county who doesn't come looking for it.

Wal-Mart won't be coming to town. Skyscrapers won't be on the horizon.

The only problem I see is that a few locals feel as if they weren't properly asked for their permission.

We aren't at that stage yet. But the naysayers found out about this new project because they are preppers - and the project is a town of preppers.

It's times like these in which I wish I had no ethics or morals since so much money could be made from these people. Simply bring out some idea that will protect them from the scary liberals and socialist and they will buy it in mass. Plus you know their money is good because it comes from their government checks they fight so hard not to let others have.

I pity any children who are dragged there to live by their insane prepper parents. Of course, this thing is still in the "planning" stages, so it's probably nothing more than a scheme to separate scared lunatics from their $33 thanks to the "application fee". Either that, or it's viral marketing for a reality show. The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold. I will be shocked if they actually build this monument to bed wetting.

And from Wikipedia:

The racial makeup of the county was 88.66% White, 0.12% Black or African American, 8.94% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.25% from other races, and 1.82% from two or more races. 1.55% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 26.6% were of German, 11.7% English, 9.5% American and 8.6% Irish ancestry according to Census 2000.

I'm sure that had nothing whatsover with the selection of Benewah (balls) County as the location of Berghof II.