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chap22 wrote:you just decide to throw Sabathia out on the "half a year" principle?

If you're talking about MVP, I gave him a quick spin through the forumula, but he comes up well shy. I plugged Manny in there as well. If you're talking Pitcher of the Year, April through June counts too.

Considering Howard only really produced for less than half a season, he was hitting .234 with a sub .500 slugging on Sept 1 and was hitting around .200 at the beginning of July, I would give Manny the MVP over him. Plus he wasn't very good in late game/close game situations and really only hit well against shitty pitchers. Struck out 199 times, the most common result of a Howard at bat was a K.

Here is OPS vs pitcher faced ERA.

3.50 ERA or less:
Howard: .619
Pujols: .866

3.51 to 4.25 ERA:
Howard: .851
Pujols: .1124

4.26 to 5.25 ERA:
Howard: .785
Pujols: 1.185

Over 5.25 ERA:
Howard: 1.295
Pujols: 1.271

Average in Late and close game situations.
Howard
Late & Close .158 avg
tie game .263 avg
within 1 run .272
within 2 runs .256

Pujols
Late & Close .314
tie game .398
within 1 run .368
within 2 runs .360

So you have one guy who hits more HR but that is pretty much all he does other than K, where another guy dominates across the board. One guy just tears up shitty pitchers, the other guy hits well against all pitchers.

Howard isn't even the MVP of his team. If he wins the award the award is a joke. IMNSHO.

Howard isn't even the MVP of his team. If he wins the award the award is a joke. IMNSHO.

Personally, I dont disagree with you. But I wanted to see what happened with that formula. I was suprised that Howard came away with it. He did lead the league in homers and RBI's, which played a big part in his "formula driven win". I think Pujols will win the NL MVP, I dont see the voters giving it to Manny for two months in the NL(yes, yes I know how good he was but still).

statnutinator wrote:Personally, I dont disagree with you. But I wanted to see what happened with that formula. I was suprised that Howard came away with it. He did lead the league in homers and RBI's, which played a big part in his "formula driven win". I think Pujols will win the NL MVP, I dont see the voters giving it to Manny for two months in the NL(yes, yes I know how good he was but still).

i just say Manny because I think they were both red hot for short periods of time, but I think Manny carried his team longer than Howard did his and he only played 2 months in the NL. If we hadn't lead the league in blown saves Pujols would probably have been a unanimous choice since wee would have won 90+ games while most experts figured us to win about 70.

My MVP would be Pujols with Lidge as runner up for his 48/48 save season. After watching us blow 32 saves this year having that kind of closer really shines with me.

Still cool posting, I agree with the rest of it.

Last edited by AaronW on Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.