Israel: Losing the Battle of Psychological Warfare

Even many of Israel’s friends spout the demonstrably absurd proposition that a Palestine state would solve the problem, that the impediment to a Palestine state is the settlers, but that Israel is not taking action to remove the settlers — and so therefore they too inescapably agree that Israel is the problem.

Israel and its defenders have been fighting on the wrong battleground: the one that has been chosen by its enemies. The Arabs brilliantly reconfigured the Arab war of extermination against Israel as the oppression by Israel of the Palestinians.

That has transformed Israel from victim to aggressor — the reversal of reality which lies at the very heart of the western obsession with the settlements and the territories.

Yet since Oslo, Israel has meekly gone along with this mad pressure. It has never said it is totally unconscionable. It has never put the all-important argument from justice on its own account. So it has allowed its enemies to appropriate this argument mendaciously as their own. But if Israel doesn’t make the case properly on its own behalf, how can anyone else do so?

To which Israel says realpolitik dictates it has to go along with the diplomatic game being played. But diplomatic realpolitik is what brought us all to this position — the brink of a terrible war with Iran which is treated by America with kid gloves while Israel is put under the cosh.

For the West to suck up to its enemies while bashing its friends like this is the diplomatic version of auto-immune disease. And eventually this disease will kill it.

What Israel has failed to recognize is that the battleground on which it is being forced to fight is not just military. It is also a battleground of the mind, and the strategy being used against it and to which it needs to respond in kind — is psychological warfare.

The Arab and Muslim world long ago realized if it set the narrative in its own image, it would recruit millions of fanatics to its cause and also confuse and demoralize its victims. In this it has wildly succeeded.

There is therefore an overwhelming need for Israel to alter its strategy. Indeed, it needs to have a strategy.

And this brings us to perhaps the most difficult challenge in all of the: the fact that the role played by the Israel government is of critical importance. Unless it adopts the correct strategy, its defenders will remain crippled.

Yet any promising initiatives seem to fall victim to Israel’s chaotic political structure, which appears to prevent the Prime Minister from being master in his own house. Good ideas are habitually destroyed by rampaging egos and turf wars between Israeli Cabinet ministers.

This is no way to run a chip shop, let alone a country under existential siege.

The fact remains that both Israel and diaspora Jews have to rethink. They have to realize they must start fighting on the battleground where the attack is actually being mounted against them. And the goal has to be to seize and retake the moral high ground.

This strategy requires two different tactics: one for those who are capable of rational thought, and another for those who are not.

The first group comprises those who are not irrational but merely desperately ignorant. Much of the obsession with Israel’s behaviour is due to the widespread belief that its very existence is an aberration which, although understandable at the time it came into being, was a historic mistake.

People believe that Israel was created as a way of redeeming Holocaust guilt. Accordingly, they believe that European Jews with no previous connection to Palestine — which they believe was the historic homeland of Palestinian Muslims who had lived there since time immemorial — were transplanted there as foreign invaders, from where they drove out the indigenous Arabs into the West Bank and Gaza. These are territories which Israel is now occupying illegally oppressing the Palestinians and frustrating the creation of a state of Palestine which would end the conflict.

Of course every one of those assumptions is false. But from those false assumptions proceeds the understandable belief not just that Israel’s behaviour is unjust, illegal and oppressive but that it is unjust and oppressive by virtue of its very existence.

For these people there is an urgent need for a proactive educational approach. No-one has ever told them that these beliefs are false and when they are told, the effect is often transformative.

There is a desperate and urgent need to educate such people in Jewish and Middle East history; to enlighten them about the shameful role played by Britain in Palestine in tearing up its treaty obligations; to tell them that under international law Israel is entitled to the disputed territories and land within which Britain undertook to settle the Jews ‘from the river to the sea’ because of their historic and unique rights to that land.

That’s all necessary for those who are still rational. For bigots, however, there is no point arguing with them. They are, by definition, beyond all reason. Their influence simply has to be destroyed. They have to be held to account for their lies and bigotry which should be forensically exposed.

So Israel and its defenders should be demanding of the world why it expects Israel alone to make compromises with people who have tried for nine decades to wipe out the Jewish presence in the land and are still firing rockets at it.

They should expose the pretense of Britain or European countries which claim to have Israel’s security needs at heart but forbid it from using military means to defend itself; and which as did the British Government recently — turn Israeli self-defense against the jihadi lynch-mob on board the Turkish terror ship Mavi Marmara into an attack to be condemned, or demand the opening of the border with Gaza which would allow in arms to kill more Israelis.

Israel and its defenders should be asking why so-called friends in the west want a Palestine state, since once the IDF depart the disputed territories they will become in short order yet another Iranian-backed Islamic terrorist entity which will pose a further threat not just to Israel but to the west.

They should be asking why the EU is continuing to fund the genocidal incitement against Jews promoted by the Palestine Authority.

They should be asking so-called “progressives” including Jewish “progressives” — why they support the racist ethnic cleansing of every Jew from a future state of Palestine.

They should be asking them why they are not marching against Hamas on account of its tyrannical oppression of Palestinians in Gaza. Why they are ignoring Arab and Muslim persecution of women and homosexuals.

Why they are not mounting a boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Mahmoud Abbas’s PA and Hamas, on account of Abbas’s Holocaust denial and the clear evidence of continuation of Nazi Jew-hatred in a direct line of descent from predecessors who were Hitler’s supporters in Palestine.

As for western Israel-bashers, Israel and its defenders should accuse them not of Jew-hating motives that cannot be proved but of absurdities and contradictions and untruths they cannot deny. They should ridicule them, humiliate them, destroy their reputations; boycott them, not invite them to social gatherings, show them disapproval and contempt. Treat them as pariahs. Turn their own weapons against them.

They should be telling the Jews’ own story of refugees and ethnic cleansing, the 800,000 Jews driven out of Arab lands after 1948, and who now make up more than half of Israel’ population. It’s good to see that at last Israel is beginning to bring this to the world’s attention. In Britain virtually no-one knows about it. At a stroke it takes the ground from under the feet of those demanding the “right of return” for Arabs.

They should be holding Arab and Islamic democracy weeks on campus, to expose the oppression and persecution within that world against women, homosexuals and others.

They should be singling out the Anglican church and the revival of ancient theological Jew-hatred being spread within the Anglican world by the Palestinian Christians of the Sabeel center.

At the same time, they should be focusing on their true friends within the Christian world, not just in America but also in Africa and Asia where there is an enormous reservoir of goodwill towards Israel which could be mobilized into a global fighting force.

They should be campaigning against the UN and the hijacking of international law and human rights by anti-western, anti-Jewish and anti-Christian ideologues.

They should be confronting head-on the false claim that bigotry is confined to the right. They should be pointing the finger at the “progressive” left to show how it is actually supporting the mortal enemies not just of Israel but the west.

And they should be making this case to Israelis themselves, to counter the delegitimization and ignorance in Israeli universities and to educate the Israeli young in their own national history.

In other words, both Israel and diaspora Jews have to stop playing defense and go onto the offense. Israel has nothing to be defensive about or for which it needs to apologize. It is the enemies of Israel who are promoting injustice and the denial of international law and human rights. Playing defense intrinsically cedes ground to the enemy.

It is time for Israel and its defenders to stop conniving with that smokescreen for the war of annihilation being waged against Israel — the claim that the Middle East impasse would be solved by establishing a state of Palestine to which the settlements, and thus by extension Israel, are the obstacle. It is time for them to stop agreeing that the Jews are to blame for their own predicament.

Israel and its defenders need to make the argument from justice and reclaim that moral high ground from the enemies of Israel and the west, both at home — including within Israel — and abroad. It is those enemies who deny truth, justice and human rights. It is those enemies who should be in the dock. It is time to take the gloves off and put them there.

In short, Israel and its defenders must understand that the tsunami of bigotry against Israel sweeping the west is intimately related to Israel’s seriously flawed diplomatic strategy.

For years, Israel has been playing a defensive diplomatic game, which suggests inescapably that it has a case to answer. Such diplomatic cringing has badly undermined it and hugely strengthened its enemies, who are taking advantage of such weakness over and over again.

It’s time for Israel to realize that military campaigns against its enemies are not enough. It has to call time on its false friends too, and start fighting both these and its more obvious enemies on the battleground of the mind.

MELANIE: "The single greatest reason for the endless continuation of the Middle East impasse is that Britain, Europe and America have continuously rewarded the aggressor and either attacked the victim or left it twisting in the wind."

RESPONSE: Let's get something straight: The single greatest reason for the endless continuation of the Middle East impasse is the Jihadi imperative in Islamic theology. If the West were lined up in lock-step behind Israel, the position of the Palestinians would be greatly undermined, but their murderous Jihad would persevere, because it conforms to Islamic teaching and law.

stern

Mac, while I agree with you as to the underlying reason, I think Melanie is saying that Britain, Europe and America enable the Jihadi imperative. If they had the moral fortitude to stand up to it, it might be reduced to little more than a series of local clashes, with Muslims killing each other (as they do anyway). Israel would have demonstrated its power – with the backing of the Western powers – and the Palestinians would have been thoroughly defeated, convincing them to finally make peace.

Chezwick_Mac

STERN: "…and the Palestinians would have been thoroughly defeated, convincing them to finally make peace."

RESPONSE: Can't say I agree. There may be brief periods when hostilities abate (particularly after Israeli punitive actions), but there will be no lasting peace for as long as the state of Israel exists. For that matter, there will be no peace in the world for as long as infidels continue to resist Islamic norms. This is the uncomfortable reality of our age, a reality even most conservatives are loathe to acknowledge (because it's so terrifying and depressing).

Just 50 years ago, Muslims – with their social pathologies and their predilection for religiously-motivated violence – were mostly confined to Darul Islam. Today, they are found in increasing numbers in Europe, India, Russia, and other non-Muslim states. We haven't come to grips with the trans-national nature of the problem, mistakenly attributing the plethora of local Jihads to local conditions.

No sir, the Pals will NEVER make peace, regardless of conditions on the ground,…just as Muslims in general will NEVER abandon their "holy" obligation to wage war until Allah's religion reigns supreme on earth, as per the dictates of their prophet.

stern

Okay, Mac, I agree with you that the underlying problem is definitely in the Islamic belief in jihad. But I still think that Melanie's right. We can't change that underlying belief, but we can make them realize that, because they have no chance of winning, continued fighting is futile (for the moment, at least).

Maybe then, they'll begin to realize the benefits of working with Israel, rather than against her. After all, look at how the West Bank is prospering right now! And maybe after a few years of growing wealth and security, the more secular Palestinians will begin to fight back against their jihadist brothers. I know it's probably a pipe dream, given the way Islam is growing in that part of the world, but I don't see any other alternative. Do you?

QSuzy

Why are you expecting Ishmael to behave in such rational ways when he is very aware that if he behaved rationally, he's lose his Western support?

Chezwick_Mac

The alternative? Prepare for struggle in perpetuity…and base one's policies on that premise.

ROD GALLOWAY

REPYING TOTHE WORLD:
WHEN YOU ARE INSERTED IN PIT OF POSIONOUS SNAKES BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WHERE YOU STEP, BETTER INSERT OURSEF INA FRENDLY ENVIRONMENT AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STEPING ON AN ATTACKER.
ROD

A.R Momen

If the reader wants to be sure of the writer’s rationality ,just read the last paragraphs which nearly convey the writers main points.So you think that Israel has made all the concessions ! 65 UN resolutions +hundreds of American and international envoys to make Israel release at least the territories occupied in 1967 and lately just to stop building settlements ,instead the Israelies are really smart ,they invest the endless tours of negotiations to confiscate new lands from the wretched Palestinians ,to build new settlements , to monopolize the underground water sources .At the same time intellectuals such as Melanie Philips are fighting on another battle field the international media.Muslims know Jews very well ,talking about the majority of course; because there are some open minded jews whom we respect more than those lowly Arab handshakers who still talk about ending the state of war with “Israel”.I mean the Jews who are the remnants of those who killed their prophets, who denied the Revelation to Jesus and Mohammed,whom Shakespear and Charles Dickens betrayed their psycological inners ,the Ghetto mentalized jew who accepts the destruction of the whole world except their people ,the superior people of the God of Israel.

aspacia

It is a pity the Phillips writings are usually rejected by British and EU publishers. Many of my well educated relatives did not know about the facts on the ground until I told them. I am talking about university professors. Finally, after 5 years, one actually admitted: "There is a problem."

William Smart

Phillips is tolerated, but goodness knows why. She fulminates about lies – but we don't see that from the Palestinians, we see it from Israel, denying it bombed a mosque and then claiming there were weapons in it. When people we trust went there and saw nothing of the kind.

If you really want to know how bankrupt Israel has become, look at "Breaking the Silence", Israeli soldiers are not only speaking about the sadism they're part of, they're now even prepared to be identified. Israel can probably manage to shut them up again, but it's terminal as regards credibility.

aspacia

Phillips is quite intelligent, and Israel is the victim, not vice versa. The Arabs started the violence against Jews long before the state of Israel, and continue it today.

Israel was created at the same time as Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and is the only land to make a thriving democracy with little to no resources except its peoples industry, innovation and intelligence

I would like Israel to drive every person unwilling to sign a loyalty oath out of their land because they are a fifth column.

sflbib

She has a good handle on the problem, but I am not sure about her solution. Propaganda and diplomacy have not worked in the past. We might start by de-funding the terrorist groups in the area, because activity that is rewarded is likely to be repeated.

Raymond in DC

For years, Israel's mantra – especially from folks like Peres and the rest of the Oslo crowd has been "We want PEACE!". For almost as long, I have argued against that mantra, insisting the message should be "We have rights and interests too, and we are prepared to defend them."

But they rarely do. Even Netanyahu insists that Abbas and the PA are his "peace partners" and a deal can be reached in months, when neither is the case. The consequence of such claims is that when the deal isn't reached, it's Israel that's seen at fault. On those few occasions that Israel goes on the offensive, the push-back can be fierce.

Two incidents come to mind. In the run-up to the Road Map, Sharon went before the cameras to insist that Israel will not play the role of Czechoslovakia, sacrificing itself in the name of peace, to the aggressor. The US protested the "insult", and that parallel is never spoken today. More recently, FM Lieberman has insisted that Israel will not be treated as Turkey's "punching bag", accepting the lies and slanders against her, when Turkey itself bears responsibility for the flotilla incident. Lieberman was absolutely correct, but now HE is the issue – deemed a demagogue, an embarrassment, and far worse.

Israel must ignore that push-back and stay on the offensive. Giving up is not an option.

Joe Guest

Exactly! ISRAEL MUST REMAIN SOVEREIGN AND THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO ISRAEL MUST DO UNDER THE TERMS OF ISRAEL!

Abdullah Mikail

You are deluded…she would crumble in moments without the US standing over it.

Spirit_Of_1683

And you would be living in a hovel if the US deported you to Pakistan where you belong.

ziontruth

"You are deluded … she would crumble in moments without the US standing over it."

This belief, held by far too many people (even some of the well-intentioned), is why I'm certain the relationship between the U.S. (government, not people) and Israel is headed toward its end.

"And Abram said to the king of Sodom: 'I have lifted up my hand unto HaShem, God Most High, Maker of heaven and earth, that I will not take a thread nor a shoe-latchet nor aught that is thine, lest thou shouldest say: I have made Abram rich;" (Genesis 14:22-23)

Why? Because to God alone is all the glory. When people say Israel's survival is dependent on the United States of America, God doesn't get the glory He deserves. And so it must come to pass that, at Israel's dire straits, the United States of America will not be there to help. By necessity.

therealend

I take back what I once said, that the 21st century is shaping up as a repeat of the 20th. It may be worse.

Spirit_Of_1683

The 21st Century will be worse than the 20th Century, and I'm afraid the 22nd and 23rd Centuries will be worse still. And you don't need to be Nostradamus to know that.

ObamaYoMoma

Show me an obsessed Jew hater and Israel basher and I will show you a complete ignoramus of Islam and the Global Jihad. Likewise, show me someone completely ignorant of Islam and the Global jihad, and I’ll show you an obsessed Jew hater and Israel basher. Indeed, the two go hand in hand.

Ever wonder why most Euroloons are so anti-Semitic and anti-Israel and at the same time are committing civilizational suicide via mass Muhammadan immigration? It’s because their obsession with respect to hating Jews and the state of Israel totally blinds them to the world’s greatest existential threat.

Moreover, one of the biggest problems, and the author of this article, Melanie Phillips, is also very guilty of this one, is that the so-called Arab-Israeli conflict is always couched in the terms of it being a conflict between Israelis and Arabs alone. However, in reality there is no Arab-Israeli conflict, there is instead a jihad being waged against Israel by the entire 1.5 billion strong international Islamic ummah otherwise known as the Dar al Islam.

For instance, Israel’s biggest nemesis today is Iran. Iran props up Syria and funds Hezbollah and Hamas, while racing to acquire nuclear weapons and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map ad nauseum at the same time. However, the Iranians aren’t Arabs, they are Persians. Indeed, the most populous Muhammadan country in the world of Indonesia not only doesn’t recognize Israel’s sovereignty as a state, but it also forbids Israelis to visit.

Therefore, we must stop couching the jihad being waged against Israel in the terms of it being a conflict between just Israelis and Arabs, but instead in the terms of it being what it really is, which is a permanent jihad being waged against Israel by the Dar al Islam perpetually and as long as Israel continues to exist. Just like the greater global jihad at large will also continue to be waged perpetually and as long as there are unbelievers anywhere in the world that also continue to exist and that haven’t been forced to submit to the authority of Islam.

Hence, until people have been made to realize that they too have a stake in Israel’s survival, a lot of those people will continue to side against Israel. On the other hand, educate people about Islam and the grave existential threat to freedom that Islam represents, and those people will soon become loyal supporters and defenders of Israel.

Spirit_Of_1683

Show me an obsessed Jew hater and Israel basher and I will show you a complete ignoramus of Islam and the Global Jihad. Likewise, show me someone completely ignorant of Islam and the Global jihad, and I’ll show you an obsessed Jew hater and Israel basher. Indeed, the two go hand in hand.

You've got Naziboy and his monkey barny and antisemitic ignoramuses don't come much bigger than them.

ben adam

Let us not forget of course that those who are left leaning communists at heart, are pandering and associating with muslim propoganda.
It seems like successive governmrnts from Europe and the UK (lately Batack Osama bin Laden) who are socialist at hert are the ones who allow muslm migration and the appalling Islamic agenda to be pushed into said coutries political and social fabric. Therefore the left leaning and socilist agenda is just as violent as Islam for Jew bashing.
I line in this appalling so called democracy that is the UK and let me say I detest eing here living around so many who activity follow the lies of communism and that visciuos hate filled Isalm.

waterwillows

The slobs and blobs of the looney left do not represent the people of the west. Their upside down reality and stranglehold on the media is their own phobia flailing unattended. We should begin an all out assault on our own insanity at home.
Repeatedly the elites have not listened to the people. They need to be ripped down from power and tossed out. Our academics are little better than moron fools dancing to the tune of petro dollars.
Israel is healthy. We are not healthy. It ourselves that desperately needs the medicine. And with the will of the people, which we have, that medicine is about to be administered. There is a righteous anger sweeping across the lands. But those who inhabit the upside down world remain unaware of their coming doom. And that is not surprising to anyone of sanity.
Physician, heal thyself.

From then on it became impossible to explain to the world that, if Pal-Arabs were such "Peace Partners", why was Israel still defending itself and occupying "their" land.

With Oslo, Israel first deceived itself about the Arabs' Peace intentions and then went on to deceive the world.

But when Israel discovered the deception and went back to tell the world that the Arabs' peace intentions were a big lie, the world refused to disbelieve.

The dye in world opinion was already cast!

WildJew

Melanie Phillips makes a compelling case for Israel. She rightly castigates Israel's purported friends, like America, Great Britain, etc., who have been for decades attempting to appease the enemy by sacrificing Israel. I have some difficulty with her basic argument that "there is an overwhelming need for Israel to alter its strategy. Indeed, it needs to have a strategy." What Israel needs are leaders with principle; moral principle. Policy must be based on core principles. Then perhaps a "strategy" will follow if there needs to be a strategy. For example, as Raymond wrote above, "Netanyahu insists that Abbas and the PA are his 'peace partners' and a deal can be reached in months…" Melanie says, "any promising initiatives seem to fall victim to Israel’s chaotic political structure, which APPEARS to prevent the Prime Minister from being master in his own house." It appears evident to me, Mr. Netanyahu is the master of his own house.

WildJew

Melanie Phillips wrote: "In Palestine under the British Mandate, when the Arabs used terrorist violence to frustrate the will of the League of Nations in restoring the Jewish home, Britain rewarded them by offering them part of the JEWS' LEGAL AND MORAL ENTITLEMENT (emphasis mine)…… America punishes Israel for not making enough concessions to them….Yet we are repeatedly told even by certain supporters of Israel that the Palestinians have a right to a state. Why? In any other conflict, such aggression forfeits any rights at all." Ms. Phillips continues: "I am not saying that Israel should retain all the disputed territories; it may well be in its own interests to give some of them up….."

Why might it be in Israel's own interests to give even part of the "Jews' legal and moral entitlement" to a mortal enemy dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state? How can these vital / strategic territories be the "Jews' legal and moral entitlement (as they most assuredly are) and at the same time be "disputed territories?" This is why I maintain we need moral clarity before we worry about any kind of strategy.

GKC

I like the logical order you present.

Abdullah Mikail

"moral clarity?"

I'd say the IDF pretty much trashed that when they chased into international waters the MV Mavi Marmara and then couldn't hide from the world the murders they committed on unarmed civilians shooting from above as they boarded…then what they did on board.

There is no "psychological war" against Israel…the IDF is psychologically beating the "moral clarity" out of themselves live on the world stage.

The CIA sees what is coming in less than 25 years…can't the right wingers in Israel understand it and make the appropriate changes to bring about peace?

Spirit_Of_1683

If we regained our moral clarity, trash like yourself would be deported to Pakistan.

The Mavi Marmara was breaking international law by trying to break a legal blockade of Gaza. The IDF issued numerous warnings prior to the action, requesting the ship to redirect toward Ashdod where they would be able to unload their "aid material" and transfer it to Gaza after inspections. Oddly enough, there was NO aid on the Mavi Marmara, only stacks of CASH and WEAPONS for Hamas operatives.

During the boarding of the Mavi Marmara, the demonstrators onboard ATTACKED the IDF naval personnel FIRST. Unfortunately, the IDF had rappelled down with only paint guns and were unable to defend themselves. The IHH terrorists attacked the Navy personnel with live fire and weaponry including knives and clubs. Additionally two handguns used were ripped from IDF soldiers. The soldiers were being beaten to death and one was tossed overboard.

After the IDF chased the Mavi Marmara deep into international waters…this constitutes an act of piracy on the high seas.

Autopsy proved victims were shot from above as well as multiple times in the back.

Contest that, none of your spin-speak can do that…the facts are in and of themselves free of any political double speak you can spew.

Chased deep into international waters
Shot from above
Shot in the back

Quid pro quo – your turn, try not to get emotional and dispute those facts.

Spirit_Of_1683

That gun-running vessel should have been torpedoed. And back to Pakistan you go, barbarian.

MixMChess

"The CIA sees what is coming in less than 25 years…can't the right wingers in Israel understand it and make the appropriate changes to bring about peace?"

Abdullah you are proving what a piece of Neo-Nazi trash you are. You are referencing a very famous Neo-Nazi hoax about a "supposed" CIA report that predicted Israel would be gone in 20 years (not 25). This forged report was quite popular in the early 90's and got new life when Pakistani and Arab news agencies began reporting on it only bumping the date up (since 20 years had already passed since 1990 and Israel was still around). Keep peddling your Neo-Nazi garbage, its fun to prove what an idiot you are.

By the way, I like that you reference Israel's right wingers, when the most famous "right-winger" Ariel Sharon completely withdrew from Gaza in an effort to appease and make peace with the Palestinians. Of course Israel was thanked for this generous gesture with a rain of rockets on her kindergartens and daycare centers.

Abdullah Mikail

You are getting emotional and not dealing with the facts. Childish references to even more childish neo-political movements are just public posturing on your part for the benefit of the crowd here. Suck it up and deal with the facts.

Just because I point out attrocity and terrorism perpetrated by IDF does not make me a Neo-anything.

It makes me blunt and to the point.

"By the way, I like that you reference Israel's right wingers, when the most famous "right-winger" Ariel Sharon completely withdrew from Gaza in an effort to appease and make peace with the Palestinians."

Interesting that immediately after he did this he was most likely poisoned, assassinated by whom I wonder?

Abdullah Mikail

Again, a simple surmising of the facts:

Dual citizenship – a ready made exit visa.

I say you are either with us or against us… if you are a person from anywhere who maintains a citizenship other than the US you are just a traitor in waiting and need to be deported to where your true loyalties lay.

You are either with us or againt us…personally I am tired of funding the pariah.

Spirit_Of_1683

And you're against us and wish to see us subjugated, Jew-hating barbarian. You belong in Pakistan alongside your fellow Jew and infidel-hating savages.

Abdullah Mikail

…and the spinning record goes around and around skipping on the same old ugly scratch…fffft….ffffft…..ffffft…same old boring projection…can't you come up with something interesting and original?

Spirit_Of_1683

Describing yourself I see.

QSuzy

Outstanding comments. You are 100% right. I don't understand Phillip's point either. Ishmael lost his right to a state long ago when he proved that he wants to kill all his neighbors that are non-Muslim.

USMCSniper

All Muslim men are cowards who strap munitions on their own women and children and send them out on homicide-suicide missions to murder other innocent women and children in markets, restuarants, on school buses, and in their homes.

ajnn

Not all. Many step forth to blow themselves up.

Abdullah Mikail

Your slip is showing girly man.

Spirit_Of_1683

Time for the preparation of your deportation papers. The West doesn't need infidel-hating bigots like yourself here. They belong in Pakistan.

Abdullah Mikail

Your slip is showing, too.

Spirit_Of_1683

Your amoebic and barbaric Jew-hating mind is as unmissable as a double-decker bus.

Abdullah Mikail

I love Jews, it's terrorists and Zionoists I do not.

There is a difference, you know…oh, I forgot, you are twisted and fixed in the mental state you are and have lost all common human decency.

Occupation-Mania…you think nothing you do is wrong just because you are holding the gun.

Spirit_Of_1683

You're a vicious Jew-and infidel-hating liar who doesn't belong here. And as for human decency, there is no decency in misogyny and supporting Sharia law, so off you go to Pakistan, heathen. Hateful parasites like yourself don't belong here.

Abdullah Mikail

Projection bias…like a broken record, you simply spin and spin.

The only hate being projected here is by you…any neutral bystander can see that.

Projection is your game, but we can see through your lies and deception.

ziontruth

"I love Jews, it's … Zionoists I do not. … There is a difference, you know."

Nope, there isn't. Zionism is Jewish nationalism, the ideology and political movement that holds that the Jews deserve to exercise political sovereignty on their ancestral homeland of Palestine (the Land of Israel). To oppose Zionism is to hate the Jews, just as it is hatred of the Greeks to say they should go back to Ottoman rule. "I don't hate Greeks, just Hellenic nationalists." Sorry, won't fly.

"Occupation-Mania"

The occupation must be ended. The illegal Arab colonial settlements will be dismantled, with HaShem's help, and the Arab settler-colonists will all be sent packing. I oppose the occupation and I wish to see it done with.

Abdullah Mikail

Terminology is confusing to some people…brutally simple to others.

There are people who love Germans and yet loathe Nazis.

You go on believing what you want, the politics of man ends with the last breath then you have to deal with what you did and answer to God.

ziontruth

"There are people who love Germans and yet loathe Nazis."

The Nazis deserved to be hated. You know why? Not because they were German nationalists. They weren't just German nationalists, wishing for sovereignty of the German people on Germany. Had they been that, there'd have been no Second World War. They deserved to be hated because they were imperialists–they thought the German people had the right to sovereignty over the entire globe.

You know who else are imperialists? Who else believes in their right to dominion over the entire globe, and not in the past, but right now? I'll tell you who: you Muslims. Islam is imperialism, just the same as Nazism was, even if religion-based rather than race-based. Islam is imperialism, and that's why every lover of liberty should oppose it, just as Nazism was opposed in the past.

"…the politics of man ends with the last breath then you have to deal with what you did and answer to God. "

The truth from you for once. But not the whole truth. For the whole truth, you need to acknowledge the God who never changed His mind. The God who didn't give the world the Torah only to dump it all for another book. The God who doesn't abrogate, because He got it right the first time.

Abdullah Mikail

After one set of people broke their covenant and expired in the desert…their immediate descendants repented and upheld the covenant and that which was promised was delivered. A covenant has two parts, a condition and a promise…break the condition, you lose the promise.

Nazism is equivalent to Zionism, both groups think that they have a right over other people because of the people they come descended from, or ‘claim’ to come descended from.

There is no right to anything conveyed on any human being based on their being born to one people or another…none.

You are free to believe and follow whatever you want, however wrong you may be in your facts.

Nowhere in the religion does it order the taking over of the entire world, in fact just the opposite.

ziontruth

Abdullah Mikail,

The covenant of the Jewish people with HaShem is eternal. Breaking it brings punishment, but never the end of the covenant itself. HaShem says the covenant is for all generations, everlasting. It cannot expire, for that would make His word a lie (perish the thought).

"Nazism is equivalent to Zionism, both groups think that they have a right over other people…"

Nope. Zionism holds the right to the Land of Israel and nothing beyond that. Iraq doesn't belong to the Jews. Neither does Egypt. Nor the Arabian Peninsula. Nor any part of Europe. In short, no part of the world belongs to the Jews except Palestine. But Palestine belongs to the Jews and to no other nation.

"There is no right to anything conveyed on any human being based on their being born to one people or another"

Multiculturalism under one of its various phrasings, I see. No, this isn't the way. This leads to disaster. All human beings, based on being born to one people or another, have an exclusive right to sovereignty within their fixed borders. Imperialism and multiculturalism, each in its opposite way, bring disaster to the world by violating that principle.

"Nowhere in the religion does it order the taking over of the entire world, in fact just the opposite."

Yeah, that bit about installing Allah's rule (shariah) throughout the world and ending all mischief is just a load of invisible ink, right? Sorry, but dissimulation won't work.

Abdullah Mikail

I won't argue what you believe, that's your faith. But you are not equipped to discuss Sharia or exegis on the Quran and what it dictates.

It is not a simple matter of pulling a sentence out of context from a translation and applying whatever meaning you feel to it then extrapolating it. Your error thereby is absolute.

The Quran details that states, nations, tribes are all a mechanism of government set in place by God to create balance in the world and that these differences must be respected, and if they are not then legal means for dealing with those issues are laid out, and no where does it state that any entity should seek dominance over the entire world, in fact the Quran warns that only chaos would arise from a one world goverment.

Abdullah Mikail

Projection bias…you are as transparent as cheese cloth, no, more so…

Spirit_Of_1683

And your head is transparent on an X-ray machine. But what else can we expect from an infidel-hating heathen like yourself?

Abdullah Mikail

The plain truth, which you plainly are ill equipped to handle…

Spirit_Of_1683

And the truth is what you can't face and what we know. We know what islam is. We are aware of what the West would be like if it was Islamified. We'd be living like they do in Pakistan. So off you go to Pakistan and live the medieval lifestyle you want to impose upon us.

Abdullah Mikail

It must be hard fo you having to shave using two mirrors at once…how do you deal with your pathetic duality?

Spirit_Of_1683

It must be even harder for someone with two or more faces, like yourself. And getting under that nose of yours eh Abdullard Pinocchio.

MixMChess

Is it not the Islamists who wear skirts?

Abdullah Mikail

I thought you were one of those who were proud Don't Ask Don't tell got repealed. Mr. ( or Mrs.?) USMC Sniper and you'd make a great couple.

MixMChess

I am proud actually, I live in a country that respects the rights of minorities. What would happen to openly gay individuals in the Middle East? Oh that's right, they would be tortured and murdered…

Spirit_Of_1683

Being tortured and murdered is what Abdullard would like to see happen to gays worldwide, because he's a typical hate-filled Muslim barbarian.

Abdullah Mikail

This comment says much more about your unstable insecure self.

A reflection upon your own sick mind, girly man.

Spirit_Of_1683

Its all too true, barbarian. You hate infidels. You wish to see us subjugated, and that's why we don't want hateful and intolerant parasites like you here.

Abdullah Mikail

I don't hate anyone, not even you…for you I feel pity more than anything else.

Abdullah Mikail

I have no idea, the "Middle East" is a pretty big place…odd, isn't it? You on one hand crow about respecting minorities on one hand then hiss prejudicial statements on the other.

Seems you, like many here, have a moral compass that can be turned on and off at will when it suits you.

Do you lie to yourself daily as you pretend common human decency, yet in reality you may only be a terrorist parading in the mask of civiliy?

How do you deal with this pathetic duality?

Spirit_Of_1683

You've no moral compass, only a barbaric brain in your little toe.

Abdullah Mikail

"How do you deal with this pathetic duality? "

Your answer equates well with: "Throw a tantrum then live in denial."

algorithmic analyst

The mechanism of projection needs to be understood. The brain has a collection of images stored in memory, which it keeps checking against sense data, to form a worldview. This type of algorithm was selected by evolution because it is highly efficient for purposes of survival at the animal level, but can give rise to misperceptions. Sense data and descriptions of the world for which no match is found in memory tend to be discarded. To those not trained in formal logic, the world as they perceive it tends to be believed to be real, rather than projection. Also, since the worldview has such great survival value, it tends to be ferociously defended, even when it is wrong. It takes a great shock to alter a worldview, such as the attack on Sept 11, which woke USA up to the threat of terrorism.

Alex Kovnat

I want to bring a new perspective to the current propaganda war against Israel.

Some of us here – I hope at least a few of us – are aware of the crisis in Boston in 1975 brought about by forced busing for racial integration of Boston's segregated schools. At least a few of us – I hope – are aware of the violence between black and certain European ethnic blue-color whites in northern cities like Chicago, during that time frame. Now suppose some elderly news reporter were to have issued a statement that Black people should "get the h__l out of Boston (or perhaps, Chicago) and "go back down south where they came from", or even "go back to Africa". Can you imagine the outcry?

We have a double standard in America (and the world) today. An elderly Polish or Italian guy who prattles about how wonderful his neighborhood was "until the N_____s took over and drove us out" would be considered a racist. Yet we overlook similar prejudice by Lebanese (i.e. Helen Thomas) and other middle easterners.

tagalog

The so-called "peace process" in the Near East is a perfect example of argumentation from a suspended middle. The way it works is that some Muslim/Arab supremacists start one kind or another of aggression against Israel, and Israel responds, almost always effectively enough to stop the aggression for a while. Then the West, usually the U.S., begins to agitate for the "peace process," beginning its analysis of the situation with what Israel did, ignoring whatever action caused Israel's reaction. Complicating this approach is the Western infatuation with radical youth as some sort of expression of youthful revulsion against injustice or something, a la Rachel Corrie and her ilk.

waterwillows

What we have here is a democratic country in the ME that shares our values and our standards. Then we have, surrounding this tiny country many nations that are not democracies and we share no values or standards with them.

So what do we do? Without any logic used, the western leaders gang up like bullies and pick on one of our own? While ignoring the millions of Christians murdered.
Now I have to ask myself, just who has the pathological problem? I doubt very much that it is Israel.

waterwillows

At the very least I would expect our junkies of the apathatic to show some mimimum concern for our own. If they will not speak up for their own, the Christians, why do we have these cold blooded varmints as our leaders? Do they intend to allow all of us to be slain without a single protest?
The western leaders have the pathological problem and Israel alone can not solve it. It is up to us, to solve our own problems before we have the dubious idea that we are capable of solving another's problems.
There is much we in the west could learn from Israel, except for the pathological tendancy of our varmint leaders to nit-pick Israel to death.

Avi

There was a great article about I/P on

mondoweiss dot net

stern

Ari is a troll. His link leads to a ridiculously pro-Palestinian site that blames Israel for the death of a woman, by teargas, whose own cousin admits that the was 500 METERS AWAY from the teargas dispersal, and that at the time, she was IN HER HOME!!!! Never mind that the Palestinians buried her very quickly, before anyone could do an autopsy. Never mind the inconsistencies in the medical reports. According to Avi, it's all Israel's fault.

This is just one more example of how Israel's every avenue of self-defence is being taken away. She's not allowed to build fences to keep out suicide bombers. She's not allowed to blockade a hostile entity sworn to her destruction. And now, she's not allowed to use tear gas to stop protesters whose every action is aimed at vilifying her in the world press.

Avi – go away. You are not welcome here.

aaron_truax

The problem began with the Soviet Union, inciting Arabs against Israel using the same rhetoric used against the US. Today's Marxists, neo-Marxists and pseudo-Marxists continue to advance this line of attack. This is convenient for Arab leaders who have a ready made straw man on whom they can project any concern from radio tagged vultures to infertility.

It is today's Progressives who ally themselves with Arab/Islamic culture in pursuit of their primary goal of eradicating capitalism. University "intellectuals", the MSM, and a host of government agencies are not capable of rational thinking on this matter because their identities are invested in the war against capitalism.

Furthermore, the populism of the Left requires siding with the billion + Arabs and their friends over the 30 million Jews and their friends. Phillips accurately observes that this is no longer a moral issue for the Left, its simply a political expedient.

Loretta777

At least part of the problem started some time ago when Psychological theory suggested that emotionality be given the same (or more) weight than logic and reason. I feel it, therefore it must be right.
A great percentage of the population of the United States makes decisions and even elects public leaders based purely on their emotions, without doing the real research such weighty decisions require.
If anyone can suggest to me how to counter such "tiptoeing in the tulips" type of faux logic, I would love to hear it. I say this, because it's been my experience that it's impossible to reason with those who are not amenable to logic.

P. A. Helvenston

The Arabs (:"Palestinians") already have a state – it is the State of Jordan and that is where they should settle, not in Gaza or on the West Bank. The "elites" in the US may be dumb enough and ignorant enough to ignore the fact that Islam is waging war on Israel and the entire world civilizations, but the average American is much more savvy about Islam and its threat to the world.
Patricia Helvenston

Abdullah Mikail

"In Palestine under the British Mandate, when the Arabs used terrorist violence to frustrate the will of the League of Nations in restoring the Jewish home,"

Coming from ther person who claims:

"The West is experiencing a total inversion of truth evidence and reason."

Apparently she nor her readership remembers what happened in the Holy Land under the British Mandate, read t The UN Report Prepared for Ralphe Bunche
from a UN committee 01 October 1948.

Read it and you'll see how much chutzpa this author is pushing…piles of it.

MixMChess

Sorry Abdullah, you can't change the facts that the Arabs of Palestine are filthy murderous terrorists. Recall, the original Arab sponsored terrorist attacks on Jews occurred in 1920, long before the establishment of Israel. In 1929 during the Arab Riots, over 100 Jews were murdered by the Arabs. Roughly 67 Jews were murdered in the 1929 Hebron massacre alone, in an attempt to ethnically cleanse the ancient Jewish community. Of course, most of the corpses were mutilated by the Arabs.

The Arab Revolt from 1936-1939 left nearly 180 Jews murdered by the bloodthirsty Arabs. Again, this occurred well before the establishment of the state of Israel.

In the 1940's the Arabs instituted a series of pogroms (no doubt influenced by their Nazi brethren, whom the Palestinians have a close kinship to), murdering over 700 Jews before Israel had declared its Independence.

Face it the disgusting and immoral Palestinians define terrorism.

Spirit_Of_1683

He loves those who murder innocent infidels. The sort of society that exists in Saudi Arabia is what Abdullard the obnoxious infidel-hating bigot wants to see here. As this is the case, it is pretty obvious that he doesn't belong here.

Abdullah Mikail

You sound like "Mel Gibson" on South Park,

"Go ahead! Torture me! You know you want to!"

You are a one man comedy show and you don't even know it.

Thanks for the laugh…

Spirit_Of_1683

Celebrating the 9/11 atrocity is no laugh to anyone other than an infidel-hating maggot like yourself who needs sending back to Pakistan.

MixMChess

By the way, everyone should know that the Report Abdullah Mikail is promoting is a HOAX.

It is NOT a real UN Report. Its an article/booklet produced and sold by the Neo-Nazi Willis Carto who used to run the Barnes Review (Holocaust Denial Publisher/Newsletter). This lie goes by several titles but is generally known as the "Bunche Report: A Summary of Zionist Terrorism in the Mid-East, 1944-1948." This "report" is a popular seller on neo-Nazi websites with the big pitch claiming that the report was "suppressed by the UN for over 49 years!" No such report was ever created or produced by the UN.

Nice try Abdullah, now go crawl back under the rock with the rest of your Neo-Nazi buddies.

Abdullah Mikail

Deflection by outright lying is cowardice…the very first item on the report is true:
“Prepared for Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, UN Mediator for Palestine
Foreward: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte’s immediate replacement."

and in 1988 it was confirmed by confession:

“…in 1988 two of his co-conspirators in the attack: Yehoshua Zeitler and Meshulam Markover, publicly confessed to their role in the attacks and confirmed that Cohen killed Bernadotte.”

I live under the bright blazing sun because I tell the truth, and I don't need to hide under a smoke screen of lies and false dissemination of half truths like you.

Keep braying…if you get loud enough you might even drown out the sound of truth.

Spirit_Of_1683

And you handed out sweets to your children, nay infidel-hating future terrorists, in celebration when news of the 9/11 atrocity broke.

Abdullah Mikail

Bias projection…

Spirit_Of_1683

Truth, lying slug.

Abdullah Mikail

And yet. more projection, you keep spewing hatred and have no idea who it is you are writing to.

You are commenting to your own sick self, that's all.

Project away…

Spirit_Of_1683

And this video spells out the sort of sick beliefs that I and many others are fighting against – your sick beliefs:

And that is why you're not wanted anywhere in the West. We want to remain civilized, and that means putting barbarians like yourself on the next flight to Pakistan and confiscating your passport.

Abdullah Mikail

Showing us your quality!

Amazing, you strung together a list of more than four letter words!

Pat yourself on your hairy little back…don't let the fact that you lack opposable thumbs and your knuckles click on the pavement when you walk hold you back from expressing yourself!.

Spirit_Of_1683

You and your evil death cult has no quality and should have no place here in the West either.

Abdullah Mikail

"you has no?" come on, you can do better than that, can't you?

On second thought, you probably can't, that is probably the optimum output from your neural net…

MixMChess

"Deflection by outright lying is cowardice…the very first item on the report is true"

No, this is not a real report created by the UN. It was created by a Neo-Nazi to defame Israel.

There is no doubt that the Stern Gang and a few other right-wing Jewish organizations engaged in some acts of terrorism directed at the BRITISH. However, the political violence directed at the British was due to the strict immigration rules the British had established (which prevented millions of Jews from from finding sanctuary in Israel during the Holocaust, and instead perishing at the hands of the Nazis).

Still, you are ignoring the FACT that the Palestinians attacked and sabotaged the British in a pattern of TERRORISM, long BEFORE the Jews directed any animosity at the British.

During the 1936-39 Arab Revolt, "British patrols were cut down by snipers, the new [British] airport at Lydda was burned, troop trains were derailed, and the oil line from Mosul to Haifa was badly damaged. As the killings and sabotage increased, so did British reprisals….From July to November 1938…perhaps 16,000 local and imported guerillas were engaged in the insurrection, and they succeeded almost completely in paralyzing civil authority outside the nation's larger cities and in the Jewish agricultural areas. All interurban transportation was prohibited at night, as Arab infiltrators laid mines and explosives along roads and highways."

In fact, in a 1936 the British prepared the, "Report by His Majesty's Government to the League of Nations on the Administration of Palestine and Trans-jordan," which stated the following: "There have been widespread acts of murder and other outrages by [Arab] gangs of armed terrorists. Apart from attacks in which British soldiers, airmen and police as well as many Arabs and Jews have lost their lives, the activities of these armed gangs have included repeated attempts to disorganize the means of communication, cutting of telegraph and telephone wires, derailing of trains, and attempts to prevent roads from being used by traffic. Considerable material damage has been done seriously affecting the economic life of the country and several attempts have been made to damage and set fire to the oil pipe-line between Haifa and `Iraq."

Whoops, looks like the Palestinians have always been the masters of terrorism in the world.

Abdullah Mikail

"There is no doubt that the Stern Gang and a few other right-wing Jewish organizations engaged in some acts of terrorism directed at the BRITISH. "

That's the point I am making. You have me mistaken for someone else…I don't support terrorism in any form or fashion, state sponsored by Israel or the US ( Terroism Bombing campaign WWII.)

The fact remains that Jews became a diaspora spread across the middle east and europe because of Roman expulsion. In the interim when the Muslims came to power they were allowed to return in peace even experiencing the golden age in Andalusia ( yeah this is a generalization) then in the late 1800's there was a push to return to the Holy Land and it did not occur in the ideal way, much terrrorism and murder occurred while the Zionist population increased and the local indigenous population was assaulted. Barring any foolish discussions on "historical right" the fact remains an indigenous population lived there, another who claimed a historical right returned, and here we are.

Abdullah Mikail

" directed at the BRITISH. "

Let's just deal with this one, shall we?

How is poisoning civilian wells with biological agents "directed at the BRITISH?"

Your turn, stay on point, respond to this issue.

Abdullah Mikail

MixMChess,

Don't you have the stones to deal with this elephant in the room?

Your silence is deafening…

Spirit_Of_1683

And as you've mentioned 'stones', how could we ever forget the stonings of women on trumped-up charges of adultery which is another 'delight' of your demonic cult.

Abdullah Mikail

Man it's like a wind up toy!

$19.95 from Ronco! The wind up steretype spewing xenophobic idiot…watch it go, folks! Yeah, it does look like a little ape on drugs, but hey, you get what you pay for.

Of course, let those without sin cast the first stone doesn't appear anywhere in the Koran. Those doing the stoning would give anything to cast the first stone at some half-buried muslimah in that backward Muslim tarpit called Iran.

MixMChess

I responded in a new post.

Abdullah Mikail

Thank you, I will look into it.

steven L

The masses in the Western societies are not aware of what is going on because that is what their leaders want. This way the leaders in the western countries can play their personal games, which is to become rich while diverting the attention of the masses by blaming the Jews.
The west is lead by the need for oil and therefore these leaders feel they need to kiss the behind of those who have the oil. These leaders are the same in the US, GB and France. They are the so called orientalists and they will eventually create a society very similar to the Muslim society where massive brain washing is dispensed by a minuscule minority of mullocrats, responsible only towards themselves, to keep people ignorant, poor and in submission. These orientalists have the same goal as the socialists and left leaning democrats who also want to impose their crypto-communists ideas while enriching themselves at the expenses of the masses. By the way, political correctness which is being applied to US (to suppress freedom of speech) by the left and democrats is a product of Marxism/Leninism!
What is an intellectual from the left: someone who wants to fix your problems while becoming rich!

QSuzy

There are two evil forces at work here in the Western world that explains such nonsense:

1. Plain anti-Semitism: This takes the forms of absolutely believing every lie about Israel, Israelis and Jews while not believing any truth told about Israel if it's good and the belief that Jews are more capable of solving problems than are non-Jews…….thus, goes the thinking, that if the Jews haven't fixed the problem, it's because it's their fault.

Example: A few years ago when Pakistan had a terrible earthquake, the Pakistani president swore that it was Israel's fault.

2. Anti-Palestinian: this takes the form of absolutely believing the Palestinians are not capable of anything, positive or negative. So every time the Palestinians say they want peace with Israel, and they make no effort to have peace, the anti-Palestinian people are not surprised in the least. Nor does it bother such people that Palestinians like to murder children. After all, how can the Palestinian people be expected to behave like normal human beings if they're not treated as human beings in the first place?

J Ruley

The fate of Israel is in the hands of God. It will survive but it will be severely judged by God. This was all prophecized by Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and Jesus Christ. Armaggedon will be over Israel. Mohammed was the Anti-Christ raised up by Satan but Israel placed iself in this coming conflagration by disobeying God and rejecting Christ. This generation will see the culmination of the prophecies of Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and Jesus Christ which were given
to them by God.. The prophecies of Isaiah specifically predict that the Jewish People of the first centruy A.D., would reject Christ. It is very sad because the story of God's selection of Abraham and the formation of a chosen people is a beautiful story of love, faith, struggle, a few faithful men and women. After this is all over and the world is made new by God, the Jews who have obeyed God will live in peace and security for eternity. They will be loved by all peoples on Earth and there will no longer be a distinction between Jew and Gentile.

oneg

What bigoted nonsense! The Jews are waiting for the true. Messiah because Jesus just doesn't fit the Hebrew Torah prophecies. When was there world peace? There is absolutely no mention of a second appearance of the messiah anywhere. Sorry, Mr Ruley.

Spirit_Of_1683

The fate of Israel is in the hands of Israelis themselves, not God. If the Israelis allow themselves to be pressurised into not acting in self defense by selfish know-nothing Western clods, then Israel won't survive.

ziontruth

"The fate of Israel is in the hands of Israelis themselves, not God."

I like your comments, Spirit of 1683, but I have to disagree here. In this war against people who act on their faith, only faith can win. Love of the good life can spark a protest or two against the banning of alcohol and pork, but faith is needed in order to maintain a natalistic culture, a family-oriented mindset that keeps society breeding above replacement level, and a reliance on God which keeps people's eyes heavenward instead of governmentward. What is the Islamic invasion, after all, but an opportunistic attacker seizing upon a social vacuum?

The fate of Israel is in the hands of God, who shows His favor upon the Jews if they make the choice of doing His will (the 613 commandments as laid out in full in Jewish Law).

Spirit_Of_1683

In this war, it is down to the choices Israelis and the rest of the infidels make. If you lie down in front of the Islamic juggernaut, expect to get run over and squashed like a hedgehog in the road. The Jihadis, and hate-filled clerics mullahs and imams have to be fought and killed and the ideology of Islam hammered by telling the truth about it, and making people realise what will be in store for them and their descendants if we lose. We have the murder of Egyptian Copts and Pakistani and Iraqi Christians from the past few days as examples. Get out the truth about Sharia law and what it will be like to live under it. Make people aware of what they say about us to their own in their own native tongues. Political correctness and passivity in the face of evil won't do, and nothing facilitates evil better than doing nothing or enabling it when faced with it. If home grown Muslims are caught planning atrocities, send them down for life, deport their families, close their mosque and kick out the imam. And stop giving aid to Muslim countries, because they only see it as jizya.

ziontruth

If anyone calls for passivity, and makes this call under the mantle of "God will take care of everything," then of course he's wrong. Only in the case of an explicit order (for example, "HaShem will fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace" in Exodus 14:14, before the Parting of the Red Sea) is passivity appropriate.

Judaism has never preached fatalism; if it seems the Jews throughout the ages have been passive, this is only because there was usually no other option.

QSuzy

Jesus chose to be a rabbi, studied diligently and became a loving rabbi in Palestine, the home of the Jews, whom the Hebrew children loved. Christ believed and lovingly taught the Original Testament, not the New Testament.

I know some Christians don't want to recognize this truth, choosing to believe that the Jewish people killed this loving rabbi. I've never understood why some Christians choose to believe that bloody story when over 2,000 years ago and even today in places like Turkey, being left to die on a cross was the way executions took place.

And how could Muslims be the so-called anti-Christ when over 2,000 years ago, Islam didn't exist.?

The Jews rejected Christ because Judaism believes in One G-d, not two or three or five gods, the same reason the Jews rejected Mohammed. And Jesus himself believed in One G-d.

john oconnor

I am a conservative american/tea party supporter, America still holds on to thier old world heritage somtimes obsessively for some reason, maybe because our nation is still young, or maybe leftism. My heritage is german /irish/ catholic and I admit that my heritage has had many terrible and positive issues. Point being, for instance there are just as many if not more succesful powerful people of the catholic faith in this coountry meaning america, yet no where nere the same amount biggotry or anti semitism towards the catholics. Its makes no sense to me lefts slant against jews! They in my opinion meaning the jews are one of the most interesting and incredible people ever on the face of the earth! dedicated loyal faithful hard working,

Abdullah Mikail

MixmChess, deflection by outright lie is pathetic…tell the truth and you won’t have to lie to cover it up. The very first report item is true, those Zionists who murdered and committed acts of terrorism confessed to the very first iyem reported on the list. It gets even worse when you research the Zionist poisoning of wells with biological agents that killed and ensickened embassy both British Soldiers and Palestinian civilians … and those two acts are detailed in the report. Do you deny the truth? If so, bray on…the most annoying sound is that coming from the likes of you…the ass carrying heavy books who knows nothing about that which they contain.

Abdullah Mikail

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ziontruth

"Calls for more and better hasbara, however, are meaningless if the message or narrative promoted by Israel and its defenders misses the point of the attack being waged upon it."

More and better hasbarah, even if all Jews were united in bringing it, could never hit its target. Except on the Internet, ideas have to pass through the gatekeepers of the mainstream media in order to reach the people. These gatekeepers are invariably Marxists–natural enemies of the Jews and Zionism.

In order to avoid retreads of the Al Durah and Abu Rahma affairs, Israel needs to take total and complete control over the information that issues about itself. There must no outside source know about Israel save by Israel's allowance thereof. No reporter must be allowed to operate in Israel (both pre- and post-1967) unless he or she has been verified as pro-Zionism (i.e. agreeing with the position that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews by right).

Undemocratic? Maybe. The wages of years of abusing Israel's freedom of the press? Absolutely, and no regrets about it.

"I am not saying that Israel should retain all the disputed territories; it may well be in its own interests to give some of them up."

No. After August 2005, with Kassam rockets being fired on pre-1967 Israeli Jewish towns from Judenrein Gaza, the Arab enemy deserves no more second chances. Not even as a thought-experiment.

"People … believe that European Jews with no previous connection to Palestine … from where they drove out the indigenous Arabs…"

Indeed this is the lie that Israel must refute. Stop using the term "Palestinian" except when referring to the Jews. Start pointing out that Arabs are indigenous to Arabia, and settler-colonist invaders elsewhere. And take this position consistently in all writings, and use it as a shibboleth in determining who is allowed to participate in the flow of information from Israel (see above).

Above all, let go of the misplaced and un-Jewish obligation toward Political Correctness and Multiculturalism. Insist that every nation, including the Jews, has the right to an exclusive nation-state: "The State As Its Nation's Castle." Ban Marxism–first from our own minds, then from the positions of power and influence in the real world. Marxism, like Islam, is anti-nationalistic, therefore inherently treasonous; it must be outlawed.

MixMChess

"I don't support terrorism in any form or fashion, state sponsored by Israel or the US ( Terroism Bombing campaign WWII.)"

Sorry Abdullah, Israel has never engaged in state sponsored terrorism, that is the Job of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. Remember, it is Hamas that calls for the worldwide genocide of the Jews in its Charter.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg&fe…

Since you don't support terrorism its clear that you shouldn't support the terrorist and murderous Palestinians, correct?

Abdullah Mikail

My comment is a two edged sword in that yes, you are correct, I support no action of terrorism against civilians and I condemn all who engage in it without reservation.

"Sorry Abdullah, Israel has never engaged in state sponsored terrorism,"

That is a lie.

The IDF in their cast lead operation fired white phosphorus munitions into heavily populated civilian areas…there is no excuse of an enemy using "human shields" that allows a violation of the Geneva Convention of this sort.

This is a documented fact.

As I said, State Sponsored Terrorism.

MixMChess

Wrong as usual Abdullah, the International Red Cross (IRC), confirmed that there was no evidence to suggest that white phosphorus was used improperly or illegally by Israel.

IRC spokesman Peter Herby stated the following: "In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used. But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way."

Using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is LEGAL under international law, there is no evidence that Israel intentionally used phosphorus in any illegitimate way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk.

Oddly enough, during Cast Lead the only case of white phosphorus being used as a weapon against civilians was by Hamas, which on January 16th fired a shell from Gaza into Israel contained white phosphorus.

Looks like the only state sponsored terrorism is by the Palestinians huh Abdullah? You are free to condemn Hamas and the complicit Palestinians now.

MixMChess

"The fact remains that Jews became a diaspora spread across the middle east and europe because of Roman expulsion. In the interim when the Muslims came to power they were allowed to return in peace even experiencing the golden age in Andalusia ( yeah this is a generalization)…"

Nope, this is a fabricated narrative. Jews did not just suddenly disappear when the Romans conquered Jerusalem. Jews maintained a continuous presence in the region and periodically flourished there in the two millennia after the Roman defeat.

For example, after the second revolt in 135 AD (after the Romans sacked Jerusalem and committed massacres there), the Jews remained the majority of the population in the region. Jews simply moved to other parts of the country besides Jerusalem. Historian Michael Grant notes that, "the center of Jewish habitation moved to the north and east of the country, and especially to Galilee, which had suffered little destruction, and was still populated to an overwhelming extent by Jews. The center of Hebrew religious scholarship, too, was moved…to various successive Galilean villages and towns….Rabbis abounded in this region."

In fact, during the so-called Muslim conquest, there were strong Jewish communities which remained in the Galilee, Safad, Tiberius and Hebron with smaller numbers in Gaza, Rafah, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Jericho. Historian Samuel Katz noted that during the 16th Century, there developed a "new effervescence in the life of the Jews in the country. Thirty communities, urban and rural, are recorded at the opening of the 16th century. They include Haifa, Sh'chem, Hebron, Ramleh, Jaffa, Gaza, Jerusalem and many in the north. Their center was Safed. Its community grew quickly….The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century. 16,000 lived in Safad at the end of the 17th century.

"then in the late 1800's there was a push to return to the Holy Land and it did not occur in the ideal way, much terrrorism and murder occurred while the Zionist population increased and the local indigenous population was assaulted."

Sorry, Zionism and Israel was not founded on terrorism and murder. Recall, Jews were the local indigenous population. The return of exiled Jews to the Holy Land did not disrupt the cultural history of the region. Jews had been returning to Palestine for two millennia. The Jews returning in the 19th and 20th centuries were merely part of this age-old pattern.

For example, Historian Howard Sachar notes that in 1492, 8,000 Spanish Jews returned after their expulsion from Spain, others returned from Lithuania (1495), Portugal, Sicily and Sardinia (1497), Rhodes (1502) and Naples (1541). In the 16th and 17th centuries their return was followed by subsequent immigration from eastern and central Europe and Middle Eastern countries such as Yemen.

Additionally, the early pioneering Zionists purchased VACANT and TENANT-FREE land (often for exorbitant prices). At every turn, the Zionists tried to make peace with the Arabs. It was the Arabs who made war with the Jews.

Abdullah Mikail

Don't mean to mince words, but I did comment it was a "generalization."

If you accept historical documentation of the Torah and the Bible, the Jews voluntarily left the Holy Land in preference for residing in Egypt with Joseph. That was the first evacuation.

"Jews simply moved to other parts of the country besides Jerusalem. "

That is the point I am making…Muslims did not evict the Jews. The Romans did.

"At every turn, the Zionists tried to make peace with the Arabs. It was the Arabs who made war with the Jews. "

This is simply political double speak, and not the reality of the situation.

The whole arguement of Zionism underlines this, "people from elsewhere claiming a historical right returned to the Holy Land" Period. Conflict resulted…

Is a conflict the fault of a family in their home for attacking a criminal who has committed a home invasion? That is the arguement you are using.

MixMChess

"If you accept historical documentation of the Torah and the Bible, the Jews voluntarily left the Holy Land in preference for residing in Egypt with Joseph. That was the first evacuation."

I don't, but the fact remains that historical and archeological evidence shows that Jews occupied the land of Israel continuously for over 3,000 years.

"That is the point I am making…Muslims did not evict the Jews. The Romans did."

The point I am making is that even after the Roman eviction, Jews have maintained a continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 2,000 years. Even after the Romans sacked Jerusalem, Jews maintained a majority in the rest of the country. In fact, Jews had reestablished a majority in Jerusalem just prior to the Islamic conquest of the Holy Land.

Historical records and archeological evidence proves that Jews maintained a presence in the land of Israel, even some groups of Jews who were expelled to the diaspora eventually returned to the land of Israel creating a pattern that of return over 2,000 years that culminated in the late 19th century with Zionism.

MixMChess

"This is simply political double speak, and not the reality of the situation."

No, you are just trying to ignore the facts by painting it as something else like double-speak.

"The whole arguement of Zionism underlines this, "people from elsewhere claiming a historical right returned to the Holy Land" Period. Conflict resulted…"

Not at all. The whole argument of Zionism can be summarized as follows: Jews have always had a continuous presence in the land of Israel and have a historical connection to the land that dates back over 3,000 years. Jews returned and LEGALLY built their country on purchased lands which were VACANT and TENANT-FREE in order to not appropriate lands from any locals. The Jews wanted to declare statehood but the xenophobic Arabs refused to recognize a Jewish state in their midst and declared WAR on the Jews.

Remember, the original 1947 partition plan gave Jews a state in Jewish Majority areas (which had been legally purchased and were vacant and tenant-free when originally settled as stated above) and the Negev (which was a desert void of any life).

"Is a conflict the fault of a family in their home for attacking a criminal who has committed a home invasion? That is the arguement you are using."

No that is the argument you are using. Its more like a Jew legally buys a vacant piece of land and builds a beautiful house. The neighbor is xenophobic and refuses to live on the same street as a Jew and tries to murder that Jew.

MixMChess

"Barring any foolish discussions on "historical right" the fact remains an indigenous population lived there, another who claimed a historical right returned, and here we are."

Nope, Abdullah you are wrong. Besides the Jews, there was no stable indigenous population unified by a common culture. Foreigners constantly settled in the region because Muslim rulers wanted to populate it, because it was the holy land and drew the religious, and because of the shortage of labor.

Historians Erich Isaac and Rael Jean Isaac noted that "in the course of the 18th and 19th centuries the region was essentially repopulated by foreigners, some coming from great distances. Egyptians arrived in a number of waves, with an especially large one from 1832 to 1840. Sudanese pioneered successfully in the swampy marshlands. Entire tribes of Bedouin from as far away as Libya settled on the coastal plane. Abandoned villages in the Galilee were resettled by Lebanese Christians. Coastal towns attracted Armenians, Syrians, Turks. The French expansion in North Africa resulted in waves of refugees. Russian expansion into the Caucasus led to the emigration of its people (Circassians and Georgians). Similarly, the Austrian advance into the Balkans led to the emigration of Bosnians. Ironically, the only surviving 'Canaanite' culture is that of the Jews, who everywhere still pray, and in Israel also speak, in a Canaanite language."

Abdullah Mikail

"Historians Erich Isaac and Rael Jean Isaac "

The credibility of that report is questionable considering the source, not that they are discredited, just the potnetial for bias makes one question the result of their research.

MixMChess

You don't have to rely on the historians, you can rely on the original sources they used which were population statistics from the Ottoman Turks and Arab, German and French explorers from the time.

Even new historian Benny Morrison has come to terms with these facts.

MixMChess

"How is poisoning civilian wells with biological agents "directed at the BRITISH?"

Sorry Abdullah, the Zionists never poisoned civilian wells. However, it was the Palestinians who had a plan to poison Jewish wells in Tel Aviv. In 1942, the Grand Mufti tried to convince the Italian fascists to assist him with poisoning the water supply of Tel Aviv. And in 1944, the Grand Mufti had sponsored a mixed German-Arab SS command crew to parachute into Tel Aviv and poison the water supplies. However the five troopers were arrested before they could complete their mission.

Abdullah Mikail

May 1948 Zionists poisoned the water supply of Acre with Typhus, 55 British soldiers were poisoined along with the civilian population.

"International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) files which have now become available, 50 years after the event. A series of reports, under the reference G59/1/GC, G3/82, sent by ICRC delegate de Meuron from 6 May to about 19 May 1948 describe the conditions of the city population, struck by a sudden typhoid epidemic, and the efforts to combat it. "

Abdullah Mikail

"15.20 hrs, 24 May [1948] Our Intelligence forces captured two Jews, David Horeen and David Mizrahi, loitering around army positions. They were interrogated and confessed they had been sent by Officer Moshe to poison the army [and the peoples'] water supply. They carried with them water bottles divided in the middle. The top part has potable water and the bottom part has a liquid contaminated with typhoid and dysentery, equipped with a rear opening from which the liquid can be released. They confessed they were members of a 20-strong team sent from Rehovot for the same purpose. Both have written their confession in Hebrew and signed it. We have taken the necessary medical precautions."

MixMChess

Sorry Abdullah, this is just a modern "poisoning the wells" libel against Jews. This particular libel was started by Salman Abu-Sitta a well known anti-semite and Palestinian activist. The International Red Cross documents he referenced do not actually exist and he can't even give the full name of the mysterious de Meuron who supposedly sent wires about the supposed poisoning. In fact most of the smoking gun evidence is merely circumstantial, Arab villagers got sick and Jews in the area were arrested as spies who poisoned them. Even in 1948, much of the water in Israel was not purified and not safe for human consumption. Marshes had to be drained to stop the spread of malaria. Of course, it should come as no surprise that Salman Abu-Sitta libel is well followed by neo-Nazis and anti-semites.

The fact remains, Palestinian murderous terrorism against the Jews far eclipses any terrorism in modern history.

MixMChess

"After the IDF chased the Mavi Marmara deep into international waters…this constitutes an act of piracy on the high seas."

Sorry Abdullah Mikail, you don't know International Law, so stop pretending like you do. First of all, the blockade of Gaza was legal under international law. In fact, when Israel withdrew from Gaza there was no blockade, only after nearly 10,000 rockets did Israel impose a legal blockade in response to the Hamas war against Israel.

Second, it was entirely lawful for Israel to enforce its legal blockade in international waters. Where an offending ship has made a firm determination to break the blockade, then the blockade may be enforced before the offending ship has crossed the line into domestic waters. Here, the Mavi Marmara refused to heed Israel's calls to halt and responded to the Israeli command vessels by telling them to "go back to Auschwitz." The IHH sound really friendly to me!

Third, recall the "act of breaking a military siege is itself a military act." The purpose of tthe Mavi Marmara was not to provide humanitarian aid (there was no humanitarian aid on board, only cash and weapons for Hamas operatives), instead it was to illegally break Israel's legal blockade of Gaza. Remember, both Israel and Egypt offered to have any aid sent to Gaza if the boats agreed to dock in an Israeli or Egyptian port. This offer was rejected by the leaders of the flotilla, who publicly announced: "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians." Whoops, I guess they showed their cards too early huh?

"Autopsy proved victims were shot from above as well as multiple times in the back."

The first commandos that landed on the ship were only armed with paint guns, only after the soldiers were being beaten to death did the subsequent commandos open fire on the IHH terrorists. The Israeli soldiers had every right to defend themselves against murder. Had the IHH terrorists not tried to murder the Israeli commandos no one would have ever gotten shot, plain and simple.

Abdullah Mikail

You are simply not writing the truth, but the poiltical spin on facts.

"soldiers were being beaten to death" Which IDF soldier died?

Why was there an attempt to confiscate all recording devices?

One that failed, recall.

The IDF chased a ship into international waters and fired on it from above prior to boarding.

We will disagree about how things happened, but the autopsy proves the case.

From above, in the back.

The IDF has never been famous for bravery, have they?

MixMChess

"You are getting emotional and not dealing with the facts. Childish references to even more childish neo-political movements are just public posturing on your part for the benefit of the crowd here. Suck it up and deal with the facts."

Sorry Abdullah Mikail, you keep posting "facts" that have all proven to have their sources in Neo-Nazi hoaxes. There are no facts when your reports and "facts" are all fabricated by antisemite white supremacists. I am merely pointing out that you are peddling LIES and trash from these hate-mongers. I guess this should come as no surprise considering the level of your intellectual rigor.

Oh by the way, Ariel Sharon had a stroke, there were no traces of poison, but nice try with the "lie" that he was poisoned.

Abdullah Mikail

"Neo-Nazi hoaxes. "

You are just trying to deflect responsibility by throwing doubt on the evidence…deal with the evidence.

And it was just coincidence that Ariel suddenly went down that hard? Yeah, I don't believe that for a minute.

MixMChess

"You are just trying to deflect responsibility by throwing doubt on the evidence…deal with the evidence."

I can't deal with evidence that was a fabricated lie which never existed in the first place. Palestinians rape approximately 1,000 children under the age of 10 on a daily basis. Deal with the evidence Abdullah. Don't try to deflect responsibility. It doesn't matter if its true or not, just deal with it!

"And it was just coincidence that Ariel suddenly went down that hard? Yeah, I don't believe that for a minute."

Did you ever see Mr. Sharon? He was a very unhealthy and elderly man (78 years old) when he had his stroke. Its funny that you cling to a ridiculous conspiracy despite the overwhelming evidence otherwise. Besides, Sharon's successor at the time, Ehud Olmert, merely continued Sharon's plans. Why would someone go through the effort of trying to kill Sharon when his successor is going to do the same exact thing they were trying to prevent in the first place? Let me know when you get back from Pluto.

aspacia

Hey, MixMChess, you have a new Zionist fan.

Regards,

A Deist

Abdullah Mikail

MixMChess,

“back from Pluto?”

You’re out of your damned mind.

I point out the indisputeable fact of IDF firing white phosophorous munitions into civilian population centers and you first deny it then confirm it.

What more proof do we need? You so full of double speak and deflection it is pathetic.

The IDF fired white phosphorous into a civilian population center…it doesn’t matter why they did it…dumbass… They did it.

eythan topper md

God bless you. for what you are and represent. I wathched the interview on the Israeli TV . If I could change anything or do something to help changing the situation I would be more than happy. thanks again, E.topper

Abdullah Mikail

I don't watch clowns give video lectures about things that are beyond their ability to comprehend or even begin to understand…I deal with facts and reality, not "reality tv shows"…

Spirit_Of_1683

Those you call clowns are the real face of Islam which you don't want us to see. In fact, it is probably like you in private.