Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on January 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Smart Hagel spin from the White House this morning as the pope of “reasonableness,” a.k.a. fellow Democrat-supporting Republican Colin Powell, emerges to bless the nomination as being officially reasonable. Meanwhile, former Hagel ally turned adversary John McCain will hit “Face the Nation” to explain the end of the bromance and how it really, totally isn’t mainly just a grudge over Hagel’s refusal to endorse him in 2008.

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I would rather spend the rest of my life at a Barry Manilow concert before I would sit and listen to less than five minutes of Colin Powell’s certified B.S.! Why he just doesn’t get it over with, switch affiliation to the Democrats and stop this ridiculous “I’m A Republican!” charade is beyond me!

I have been in my super, super secret hawkdriver super secret compound building a super secret, er, garage all week. Only getting the news on the radio driving back and forth from Lowe’s getting more super secret 2x4s.

Listened to Jerry Riviera with guests from both sides of the gun debate. Classic. The liberal interrupted the well mannered pro-2nd speaker without mercy. The gentleman was being asked point blank by both the lib and Jerry, (I repeat myself) as to whether he thought a background check should be used for all weapons sales. He was trying to qualify his comment by saying he would if there weren’t always so many false positives in background investigations by the government to approve a purchase. He “tried” to give the example of how Ted Kennedy was on a no-fly list for a very long time. The lib just kept taking over him saying, “See he won’t answer. If I knew you were having him I wouldn’t have come on.”

The time is ripe to get back in the face of liberals. No more mild manners and penny loafer rebellions from meek Conservatives. We will never win a PC contest because Political Correctness is in it’s very design was meant to neuter our points and opinions and give an advantage to liberals in debate and politics.

I did not lose my temper listening to the lib on the radio, but back on the super secret compound, the super secret nails were getting just wore out.

The time is ripe to get back in the face of liberals. No more mild manners and penny loafer rebellions from meek Conservatives. We will never win a PC contest because Political Correctness is in it’s very design was meant to neuter our points and opinions and give an advantage to liberals in debate and politics.

The time is ripe to get back in the face of liberals. No more mild manners and penny loafer rebellions from meek Conservatives. We will never win a PC contest because Political Correctness is in it’s very design was meant to neuter our points and opinions and give an advantage to liberals in debate and politics.

I did not lose my temper listening to the lib on the radio, but back on the super secret compound, the super secret nails were getting just wore out.

hawkdriver on January 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Exactly!

Thomas Sowell said it best. When it’s the wimps vs the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. The aggressor sets the rules. We keep ignoring that. It doesn’t work on the battlefield and it doesn’t work in politics or anywhere else.

The Democrats don’t really even care about gun control. It is just a means to their ends of more power. What they are after is power. Unchallenged and unlimited power. The Republicans don’t seem to understand that. That is why we lose.

The time is ripe to get back in the face of liberals. No more mild manners and penny loafer rebellions from meek Conservatives. We will never win a PC contest because Political Correctness is in it’s very design was meant to neuter our points and opinions and give an advantage to liberals in debate and politics.

I did not lose my temper listening to the lib on the radio, but back on the super secret compound, the super secret nails were getting just wore out.

After the first Gulf War, I just idolized CP. I thought he might have been our first black president for a time and as a Republican to boot. In a nutshell my friend, it has gone downhill steadily since then. And you’re right, why he still refers to himself as a Republican is beyond me.

I see no reason why any Conservative would want to go on one of these shows. He is there only to make the host and his fellow libs look good, to seem like they hold the moral high ground. They don’t want him to talk; the lib concept of a dialogue on any issue is, “You shit up, I talk, and you listen.”

It’s all so pointless, which is why I avoid conversation with libs on most everything, especially guns. The time for talk is done, and I don’t care what laws they pass. Any ‘new’ ones will be a rehash of the older failed ones, or a restatement of those already on the books that haven’t curtailed crime.

Private gun owners have curtailed crime far more than any laws liberals dreamed up, and most times the law-abiding don’t needed to open fire.Plus, the fact that David Gregory won’t be prosecuted for a flagrant and open violation of a ‘strict’ gun law tells me I don’t need to obey, either. I simply need to be quiet about it, is all.

It is all about throwing up so much sh!t hoping to distract the low information voter so they can’t focus on any one thing and think about the overeach by this administration. And the LSM provides the cover for them. May they all burn in hell when it all comes crashing down.

Any pro gun person that appears on any of these programs should know the deck will be stacked against them.A simple answer to these libs could be,”I hear your argument but you haven’t changed my mind.”
They will never change mine and I’m sure millions of others.

Any pro gun person that appears on any of these programs should know the deck will be stacked against them.A simple answer to these libs could be,”I hear your argument but you haven’t changed my mind.”
They will never change mine and I’m sure millions of others.

docflash on January 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Still, it’s important for conservatives to appear on these shows and to be confrontational when they do. Breitbart’s in-your-face style of combatting demagogues on the left is effective because it helps you break through the left’s debate framing and expose the silliness or malevolence of their positions.

These smug libs think they’ll get what they want just because they want it. Or, if the stuff hits the fan they’ll win handily. Such narrow vision!

They are ignoring the people just waiting in the wings to cause mayhem, people with no political side to their wishes. Some want personal payback; some are dying to do things but won’t unless society breaks down. Others just hate American society and are itching for a chance to add their own brand of hurt. The only question is how many are out there with those desires and not even close family members might know it.

Nothing is as tidy or linear as smug libs in their gated communities like to think.

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I think the idea is to make Congress juggle the agenda. Barry is a community organizer at heart. Never really gave up the job. He is not really in this to solve a problem but to always mainatin some level of chaos, large or small. The public has chosen to respond to him the way he wishes. Too bad, but I wouldn’t put up with a petulant six year old for this long. I don’t know why we allow the same behavior from a grown man.

It’s time we learned that the so-called “Moderator” or “Journalist”, if you will, is NOT a mere messenger or facilitator. They’re a combatant!
Job#1 has to be to verbally slap the moderator into a state of intimidated neutrality. Absent that, the entire experience is a complete waste of time.
Job#2 is to verbally slap the opposition into a state of intimidated civility. Absent that, the entire experience is a pointless screaming match.
None of these jobs will ever be achieved by a good defense. We win by making the other side defend themselves.
The word is….ATTACK!…ATTACK!…ATTACK!…and after that ATTACK AGAIN!

Let’s have our facts straight and not be afraid to make out points. I look back to and cite the second debate. Romney had everyone (in even the entire liberal world) admitting that he cleaned obama’s clock in the first debate, sorry, but pulling his punches on Benghazi. IMHO, being bolder would have put the clown away for good.

I concede the clown had a ton of moderator help, but Romney didn’t let that stop him in the first. And he won, handily. To the point Al Gore had to make excuses as to the thin air in Denver. (God forbid obama has to make a decision on AF1 which is pressurized to 8-10K while cruising).

I don’t think we’ll ever change a liberal’s opinion on anything. I just want to make them back down from asserting it and trying to impose their control over us.

In all my live, my government has never been this oppressive over one side of the political spectrum. I remember the “Republican Revolution” in the nineties. There was a simple point Newt was considering about allowing prayer in school again. With whatever you think about it, it was a minor thing. He was excoriated by both sides for overplaying the momentum and overreaching our newly won political clout. Now, we have a president that is fully supported by his side for arbitrarily raising the debt ceiling and making recess appointments. Now, we talk about a president seriously considering an executive order to change the Constitution and depriving us of our 2nd rights? An executive order that really should be the subject of a Constitutional Convention?

So many times, I think we beat ourselves by buying the crap the media portrays us as.

Fight back and debate them like they debate us. You’re not fighting you change their opinion. You’re fighting to preserve what you still have, what you might be able to demand back.

Thomas Sowell said it best. When it’s the wimps vs the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. The aggressor sets the rules. We keep ignoring that. It doesn’t work on the battlefield and it doesn’t work in politics or anywhere else.

The Democrats don’t really even care about gun control. It is just a means to their ends of more power. What they are after is power. Unchallenged and unlimited power. The Republicans don’t seem to understand that. That is why we lose.

JellyToast on January 13, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Our fellow “conservatives” seem to think that the Democrats play by the same rules we do……I don’t know how many more 2x4s across the head conservatives are going to need to wake them up and snap out of it.
No more compromising….no more Mr nice guy. imho.

I wish the movers and shakers of our party had the guts to throw Colin Powell out of the party. He’s a traitor to all republicans along with the fat basturd from NJ.
Not only did powell come out for the Dear Leader he did radio commercials the weekend before the election heard all over South Florida that I know of and who knows where else.
This guy does not belong in the Republican Party.
Maybe DNC dave can talk him into coming over to the dark side.

Thomas Sowell said it best. When it’s the wimps vs the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. The aggressor sets the rules. We keep ignoring that. It doesn’t work on the battlefield and it doesn’t work in politics or anywhere else.

The Democrats don’t really even care about gun control. It is just a means to their ends of more power. What they are after is power. Unchallenged and unlimited power. The Republicans don’t seem to understand that. That is why we lose.

JellyToast on January 13, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Our fellow “conservatives” seem to think that the Democrats play by the same rules we do……I don’t know how many more 2x4s across the head conservatives are going to need to wake them up and snap out of it.
No more compromising….no more Mr nice guy. imho.

tencole on January 13, 2013 at 9:28 AM

I’ve been saying this about ‘the West’ vs. ‘the Islamists’ for a couple of decades now. We keep expecting them to behave as civilized people do, failing to understand why they don’t behave as civilized people do, and… well, they’re not civilized, and the sooner we realize the mindset of the people trying to kill us the sooner we might actually begin handling it correctly.

Thomas Sowell said it best. When it’s the wimps vs the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. The aggressor sets the rules. We keep ignoring that. It doesn’t work on the battlefield and it doesn’t work in politics or anywhere else.

The Democrats don’t really even care about gun control. It is just a means to their ends of more power. What they are after is power. Unchallenged and unlimited power. The Republicans don’t seem to understand that. That is why we lose.

JellyToast on January 13, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Our fellow “conservatives” seem to think that the Democrats play by the same rules we do……I don’t know how many more 2x4s across the head conservatives are going to need to wake them up and snap out of it.
No more compromising….no more Mr nice guy. imho.

tencole on January 13, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Megadittos.

“Gun control” has nothing to do with safety, crime, or children. It’s not about guns; it’s all about control.

“Arguing shows”
That’s what my husband calls them. I used to watch our local “Georgia Gang” every Sunday morning but can’t even tolerate it anymore due to the discord and race arguments. Occasionally catch panel at end of Fox News Sunday but too many dems and squishy rhinos on there now.

Colin Powell. Just another example of the lamestream in cahoots with Barky to divide the check-pants loafer wearing repubs by showing Powell as a “reasonable voice” among those nasty Tea partiers.

Thomas Sowell said it best. When it’s the wimps vs the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win. The aggressor sets the rules. We keep ignoring that. It doesn’t work on the battlefield and it doesn’t work in politics or anywhere else.

The Democrats don’t really even care about gun control. It is just a means to their ends of more power. What they are after is power. Unchallenged and unlimited power. The Republicans don’t seem to understand that. That is why we lose.

JellyToast on January 13, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Our fellow “conservatives” seem to think that the Democrats play by the same rules we do……I don’t know how many more 2x4s across the head conservatives are going to need to wake them up and snap out of it.
No more compromising….no more Mr nice guy. imho.

tencole on January 13, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Megadittos.

“Gun control” has nothing to do with safety, crime, or children. It’s not about guns; it’s all about control.

petefrt on January 13, 2013 at 9:38 AM
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I don’t think we can repeat any of this too much. the above is our future in political gamesmanship. Which is all they know all they do.

Just watched the exchanges of Larry Platt and Neera Tanden on gun control. Depressing. If the gun lobby refuses to consider reform/improvement of background checks for heaven’s sake, they will impair their need to be heard on more serious issues. The “never give an inch” strategy will not work for the NRA, and, more importantly, will not work for America. When Platt criticized Justice Scalia for making a reasonable observation about the 2nd Amendment: ‘it is not absolute’, I rolled my eyes and murmured, “idiot”.
Citizens need to be able to defend themselves and their children in a violence crazed culture that puts liberty before insanity, and allows the widespread sale of military grade weapons that have nothing to do with hunting and gathering. Those whose interest in the 2nd Amendment is the absolute right to collect weaponry for some future civil war against our own government, sound just as dumb as progressive liberals who refuse to see that in today’s American society, the safest places are those where adults can protect their children with firearms.

Colin Powell?………..you can trash the gop until you are whiter in the face…..and you will NEVER be welcome back on the Black community plantation. Once you’ve been in the masters house….you ain’t nevah going to be welcome back in tha field.

There is a lesson to be learned about “moderate” Republicans from Colin Powell and now currently Chris Christie.

At some point for every “moderate” there will come a point when the press and their own aids will point out to these guys how “popular” they could be by turning on the Republican base and capturing the “middle”. I would even say when O’Reilly’s ratings peaked he started out Obama’s term trying to soft pedal Obama as a not a bad guy and still continue’s to insist he is the voice of “the folks”

The Colin Powell formula will be repeated ad nauseum and we will get some other “candidate” that once has a secure following in the base will start to betray us to the left. It never ends in politics.

I don’t think we can repeat any of this too much. the above is our future in political gamesmanship. Which is all they know all they do.

rodguy911 on January 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM

They beat us by gamesmanship and appeals to emotion. Reason seldom overcomes an emotional position. We’ll keep on losing until we learn to beat them at their own game.

petefrt on January 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM
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Exactly! If you had to state what our biggest need is for 2014 and 2016 its political strategists. How to counter Axelrod,Plouffe, Jarrett the rest. How to counter the ability to take a lie/half truth,vette it, focus test it, give it to the dbm who sell it and then claim its true.
Until we counter all that we may not win too many elections.

There is a lesson to be learned about “moderate” Republicans from Colin Powell and now currently Chris Christie.

At some point for every “moderate” there will come a point when the press and their own aids will point out to these guys how “popular” they could be by turning on the Republican base and capturing the “middle”. I would even say when O’Reilly’s ratings peaked he started out Obama’s term trying to soft pedal Obama as a not a bad guy and still continue’s to insist he is the voice of “the folks”

The Colin Powell formula will be repeated ad nauseum and we will get some other “candidate” that once has a secure following in the base will start to betray us to the left. It never ends in politics.

Conan on January 13, 2013 at 10:59 AM
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The sad thing is that lots of political types fall for this trap.It becomes an apparent political quick fix that is attractive to many of the lazy types.

these people aren’t really worth the time to watch. Colin Powell is an R just like Bloomberg was..career convenience…and he doesn’t ‘change’ because…well, he gets more Air Time, and the leftist media like a ‘maverick’ R…aka a Democrat posing as an R

The Obama immigration is a predictable response to the splash that Rubio got…WH staffers said to themselves, we better bigfoot this. The illegals are our Voters…no punk like rubio is going to take them away

I would rather spend the rest of my life at a Barry Manilow concert before I would sit and listen to less than five minutes of Colin Powell’s certified B.S.! Why he just doesn’t get it over with, switch affiliation to the Democrats and stop this ridiculous “I’m A Republican!” charade is beyond me!

pilamaye on January 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM

The libs and LSM need him to parade around on shows and the media to portray as a ‘Republican’ who (in their minds) can’t be marginalized or discounted because of his military service. Apparently, Powell is fine with being used like this.

So, a guy who owes his entire career to Republican President’s turns out to be an opportunistic back stabbing piece of crap who votes based on the color of someone’s skin…F him. Earlier in my life I respected and admired this traitorous low life racist.

They are all alike,they nag the same complaints, and bite the same hand that has been feeding them for centuries. This idiot is a waste of oxygen like all the rest. Scratch the surface and they are all the same. Very disappointing.

Isn’t the colin a part of human anatomy that collects waste and rids the body of said waste…well the waste coming from colins mouth is sure getting tiresome..I wish he would just go away into little generals lala land and stay off of the msm…he was a better general and he should stick with something he knows…he should also fess up and tell ebveryone the truth that he is a liberal at heart

Colin Powell should be disregarded. He rose in life courtesy the Republicans, but he cannot be considered a Republican having struck out. What do I mean by that?

Strike One: Powell betrayed President GW Bush by not telling President GW Bush that Powell’s man at the State Department, Richard Armitage, was the one who told Bob Novak about Valerie Plame being at the CIA and instead let GW Bush and Cheney get fried politically and Scooter Libby get prosecuted.

Strike Two: Powell turned his back on his “friend” John McCain and supported Obama for President, giving the country the impression that Obama could be a competent Commander in Chief (but see Benghazi).

Strike Three: after Obama’s election, Powell called for higher taxes and more Government spending.

So, on top of it all, Powell now supports Obama’s Cabinet picks who happen to be for cutting defense spending and being adverse to Israel. Here is a Bronx jeer for Colin Powell.