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Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

Due to salary considerations, I don't think we can just trade Daniels and Rasho unless we are recieveing another expiring contract in return. Granger's extension kicks in, plus Jarret Jack will need to be resigned.

So I would say... I doubt it. It would be nice to see Hibbert make some strides however, might help in the low post department. Dunleavy coming back will be a huge plus.

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Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

Due to salary considerations, I don't think we can just trade Daniels and Rasho unless we are recieveing another expiring contract in return. Granger's extension kicks in, plus Jarret Jack will need to be resigned.

So I would say... I doubt it. It would be nice to see Hibbert make some strides however, might help in the low post department. Dunleavy coming back will be a huge plus.

I would agree with this. Daniels and Rasho may be traded separately, but any deal with them together where we don't get at least half expiring back would likely put us at or over the tax.

It may be more likely (well, at least more do-able) to package one of the two with one of our big contracts (Murph, Dunleavy, or Tinsley) to make a play.

However, I think our most marketable expiring was lost when we signed Foster to an extension.

Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

My guess is no...there are no Low-Post scoring threats that will likey be available nor worth acquiring by February that I think we would trade Rasho and/or Marquis for.

Yup. If something comes up, then great. But I sure wouldn't count on it. I expect management to sit tight and play through. The exception would be a Tinsley trade, but I doubt any player we get back would substantially benefit the team.

Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

For me this is a fun topic that prompts the question, "What changes, if any, would I (we) REALLY like to see happen by February?"

First, while I certainly am cheering on the team to make the playoffs, I don't think the addition of any one player (outside of a true superstar, maybe; the chances of which seem remote,) will put us in position to contend for a title this season. Larry revealed his hope to contend in two or three years, so with good fortune for the team I'd imagine that next year will be the first for us to begin "expecting" significant post-season success.

If you agree with the above, a logical pursuit, then, might be for a trade that enhances a) the current squad's growth this season and/or b) the potential of the team for the next several years after this season. Another productive, respected veteran big -- such as Joe Smith (as Justin has suggested) -- may contribute to team growth this season. If trading Tinsley can be part of such a deal, even better.

There are many considerations in pondering the potential of the team over the next several years, however ... and I imagine many posters don't even want to think beyond this year just yet. Nevertheless, outside of a Tinsley-related salary dump, I'd love to see us pursue one stud athlete who has a good chance of being (or still being) a star in, say, two years. Should he come via a trade (by February or next summer) or through the draft, though? If indeed THAT is the central architectural question, then TPTB need to make up their minds by February....

Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

Yup. If something comes up, then great. But I sure wouldn't count on it. I expect management to sit tight and play through. The exception would be a Tinsley trade, but I doubt any player we get back would substantially benefit the team.

Unless some no-brainer deal comes along that doesn't kill us for the long-term.....at least for this season....I still think that Bird's goal is to win games 1st ( in order to win back some fans ) and develop our younger players 2nd. I actually think that having Rasho and Marquis in the lineup at the end of the season would be a good thing.....they are helping us compete on a higher level and actually are fitting into what JO'B is trying to do.

Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

I'm going to go against the grain and say yes. I believe Chris Kaman will be available b4 the trade deadline. Rasho's expiring would match salarywise with a little sweetner. This isn't the trade proposal forum, but I have a good trade scenario in mind as to what the sweetner would be that should get the trade done.

The same sweetner could be used with Daniels' team option as well to make a trade work.

Re: Musings on a Different Pacer team in February

However, I think our most marketable expiring was lost when we signed Foster to an extension.

i was just thinking the same thing. the extension amount is fair and foster certainly deserves it.

however, as a trade asset he's no longer as attractive. having his deal extended to 2010 will be a deal breaker for many teams.

with how well quis is playing right now, it can be argued that keeping quis for one more year (by exercising his team option) would make more basketball sense than keeping foster for 2 more (with his extension). obviously the pr element is in play here with foster being a long-tenured fan favorite.

regarding trades, we pretty much need the salary relief that rasho and quis' expiring contracts represent so as count says we won't trade both of them for longer term deals. in fact, any player that we acquire for quis or rasho would have to be better than one we can potentially sign for the mle next summer. this might not be so easy because for once the pacers would seem to have a relatively strong hand in the free agent market, being one of the handful of teams that will be willing to offer a contract that goes beyond 2010.