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Let's make this the last time those idiots brought Bitcoin down. Enough is enough. Let's take action! Remove them from your sites. Stop using their charts.
If people keep using them history will repeat itself soon again.

You're supporting an authoritarian system when some big wig makes all the calls to what the plebs can see and choose from. Why not make it democratic? Let the users choose if they want it or not. This is essentially the Android vs iOS rehashed

And you are supporting an authoritarian system where the tyranny of the masses dictates what someone does with their own personal property. Let people make their own choices for what apps they use and what apps they develop.

According to r/bitcoing? Whoever has the highest price. Even if mt gox (which is one of the largest bitcoin holders due to collective wallet sizes of it's depositors) becomes too cheap, it's removed. Funny how no one had qualms about it's chart listings when it had an artificially inflated price "premium" in the months leading up to this.

Even though I've never traded on Gox before,I still considered their price to be the default price, Whenever I sold BTC I always referred Gox's price to my sell price because that what someone is paying for it, Now I just have to wait for everyone to move to another site and the price is already rebounding.

Seriously? Our supply and demand ofcourse! The people! bitcoin is worth what people perceive it is worth, and that is exactly how it should be.
You buy when you think it has some kind of value to you, and vice versa.
People might buy because they think BTC is the money of the future and speculate on that. Or because they feel fiat stinks. Or because they appreciate the ability to send value across the planet in the blink of an eye without having to deal with sluggish banks and their fees. Or just to make a little fiat profit on the way up to the moon. Whatever the reason, they buy when they perceive it is as valuable and sell when they think it is too pricey.

Everyone does that and the price settles at an equilibrium, where none will buy, and none will sell, until some event upsets the equilibrium.

But in order for that to happen, you need a single, global exchange, capable of handling both fiat and crypto flawlessly. In order to spend it, there needs to be an agreed-upon value ('set' by a global exchange), unless you think we should all start haggling, of course.

No, you don't need a single exchange; as long as exchanges readily allow funds (BTC and other currencies) to flow in and out, different exchanges will offer similar rates. Where they differ, people have the opportunity to make money through arbitrage, which reduces the difference.

When an exchange has a higher level of risk, or difficulty getting funds in and out, the price difference will be greater (eg MtGox).

I don't expect all exchanges to get arbed to one price. As capital controls increase we may see different prices sustained by even well-run exchanges in different jurisdictions. As such there will always be a need for charting sites to quote multiple exchanges so the user can see what is actually available to him.

I don't know why everyone is giving you a hard time but I also wouldn't compare BTC to USD. I'd say the value should be based on good/services as you said as well as how much people are willing to pay for it (btc). If people are buying in at $900/1BTC, then that should be the price. And so on.

It looks like Bitcoinity changed the default to Bitstamp, which is sufficient I think. I'm still working on a trading bot, and while I'm now locked in to Gox, it's still useful to watch their ticker and work on the bot's logic. I wouldn't remove them, but I support the idea of no longer using them as de-facto standard.

Why would you not remove them? There are long-standing issues with Fiat withdrawls to many countries, and they've now suspended BTC withdrawls. They are no longer functioning as an exchange so why should their data be considered alongside those that are?

Yes, all those people who are not further skyrocketing the price of bitcoin are just bad guys trying to take bitcoin down, and not a healthy indication of a dynamic market or anything. Would you like me to just buy all bitcoin at $10 million each now, master?

So it should be static? You heard it here, folks, BITCOIN BACK TO 10 cents because all of this "dynamic" upward pricing pressure since the first bitcoin was mined wouldn't have happened in a static market!

You have TWO options:

Static price that never changes ever from day 1 (btc 1 penny each or whatever the first price was)

Dynamic price that goes UP and DOWN. You can buy and lose your face, you can sell and lose potential upswings.

Okay, to ensure that you are truly a believer of the static market, I'd like to place an order of 5,000 bitcoins at a static market price of 10 cents each. After all, that's the price the market first quoted back when bitcoin opened.

Read their statement and get back to me. They disingenuously lay the blame on the underlying protocol, which spooked some people into panic selling. In reality every other exchange manages perfectly fine with transaction malleability.

The picture is clear, Gox and their mickeymouse exchange is done for. They're happily throwing bitcoin under the bus to cover up for their incompetence and the fact that they probably are way short on customer funds.

You don't get to make the choice to remove or add an exchange or any others except those that offer the charting or price services platform and last but most important, the customers that are still at Mt.Gox.

Even if this was not a gox issue do you honestly think that price can go to the moon without some correction ?

No matter the event, some have been disappointed by this drop as I can see from this urge to burn down everything gox related.

Please let the customers of gox decide whether to continue working with them or not.

The Nanny State is alive and well in Bitcoin, I see. How about if Bitcoinity continues to offer a CHOICE whether to see Mt. Gox charts, and then we take it upon ourselves individually to decide whether or not to look at them? Fuck you for trying to trying to force your choice on others.

Taken to its absurd extreme, or a watered down version that is realistic? Actually, why don't you tell me what you think? :)

No need to turn this around, playing the "you go" game. You stated:

How is criticizing the "nanny state" and preaching about "choice" not the exact same Libertarian dribble we see 24/7?

You made a claim about Libertarianism which others don't seem to agree with. It's up to you to explain yourself as to why you believe in this association with Libertarianism. Given that you respond in this manner rather than simply give a brief description of what you consider to be Libertarianism makes it appear as if you don't really know what it is; seek to intentionally discredit Libertarianism as a whole; or both.

I'm sorry, I looked it up and I can see that Libertarianism is actually in favor of the nanny state, and elimination of choice is one of Libertarianism's highest stated goals.
Thanks for this conversation; it has surely opened my eyes!

Yeah you've got it all backwards. You know that, too, but you thought you'd be funny saying this.

Well, it's no more the default exchange even though it has the highest volume in the last 7 days (as I'm writing this). That is already some "manipulation of data" on my side, which I would prefer to avoid.

I'm just drawing charts and people vote with their money. I'd like bitcoinity to stay as objective data source as possible, even though I stated many times openly that I'm not a huge fan of mtgox.

bitcoincharts is providing an extremely valuable service by providing trading data of current, but also of many older (some discontinued) exchanges.

Whether you like it or not, Gox has been a major factor in bitcoin history so far, and although I fully agree it is time for them to go the way of the dodo, it is important to keep their historical trading data.