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In terms of both New general Pokemon and New legendaries X and Y are a HUGE dissappointment. I cant help but feel they really phoned it through on this one. I was worried this might happen due to them making all the character models 3ds that they would get lazy with the new pokemon. I mean a keychain as a pokemon, and most of the pokemon look utter crap like carbink and bergemite, theres like 6-7 of them that all look very similar, very small design, no real detail, what happened to the huge lavishly designed pokemon? As a huge fan and an utter obssessive when its come to X and Y I feel really meh with the new Kalos pokedex. This gens pokemon are deffinitely the worst of all the gens! Also I feel meh about the Torchic event pokemon, wat happened to getting an exciting new even pokemon ala victini and Genosect in gen 5!

If you give me individual, good reasons for why each pokemon in this Generation sucks, and not using blanket design flaws, if each one makes sense I will officially say this Gen is worse than 1. I will snap my copy of Y in half when I get it because it will suck so much because GF couldn't make enough pokemon for you when they had to redo everything in 2 years.

I think the term "legendary" lost its meaning once they started to put 12-15 legendaries in the games.

It never had a designated meaning beyond certain statistical trends and a title assigned to the critters by the people who made them.

To any appreciable, consistant and/or official degree, it never meant "deep and detailed back story", it never meant "only a certain number of them", it never meant anything like that. Those are descriptions people like to apply to them arbitrarily and then complain when they're brushed aside just as arbitrarily.

The term never had a significant meaning able to be lost, and certainly not lost in the face of greater numbers.

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I think the term "legendary" lost its meaning once they started to put 12-15 legendaries in the games.

Legendary (adj): "Of, described in, or based on legends."

Seeing as how, unlike the Legendary Pokémon of the first few Gens, the later Legendary Pokémon actually were described in myths, I would say that the term actually lived up to its meaning once they started adding in 14 per Gen. Before then, "Legendary" Pokémon were really just "fairly more powerful than other Pokémon" Pokémon.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

The meaning was to be very rare, or strong; not at all really legendary, and that worked when there was only five in generation I. And it worked pretty well in generation II were Kanto legends were in Kanto and Johto legends in Johto. Now, it doesn't work at all, but with bank and the birds being available, it doesn't really "restore" it. Wish it did, though, but its not like [the hypothetical] generations VII and VIII won't have more legends, and even if they only introduced three in all the gens, by the time VIII rolls along we'd still have 24; we can't escape to many legendaries...

The meaning was to be very rare, or strong; not at all really legendary, and that worked when there was only five in generation I.

No, actually, as BCVM22 said, the term never had a specific meaning. Formally speaking, though, Legendary Pokémon weren't actually "legendary" until they started becoming the central figures of myths and legends.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

I'm not getting these big fails, but has any one else heard the claiming of a " LAVADOS "? It might be a mega evolution of moltress but the ending ados reminds me of gyarados, not sure if its even real. Anyway it surely seems like a legendary

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I'm not getting these big fails, but has any one else heard the claiming of a " LAVADOS "? It might be a mega evolution of moltress but the ending ados reminds me of gyarados, not sure if its even real. Anyway it surely seems like a legendary

No, actually, as BCVM22 said, the term never had a specific meaning. Formally speaking, though, Legendary Pokémon weren't actually "legendary" until they started becoming the central figures of myths and legends.

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

I'm glad this gen did not include tons of legendary Pokémon! It was one my main hopes and it's refreshing to see them going back to the old "few legendaries" formula.

Originally Posted by Raasikh22

I'm not getting these big fails, but has any one else heard the claiming of a " LAVADOS "? It might be a mega evolution of moltress but the ending ados reminds me of gyarados, not sure if its even real. Anyway it surely seems like a legendary

Lavados is Moltres' German name. Megas keep their name and have a prepended "Mega."

No, actually, as BCVM22 said, the term never had a specific meaning. Formally speaking, though, Legendary Pokémon weren't actually "legendary" until they started becoming the central figures of myths and legends.

I think this describes and puts better into words what it was I was thinking too. :B

I'd define them as generally being 'rare' and not being obtainable by normal means, or breeding. Sure I'd put Groudon and Entei in different categories being that one is minor and the other roams.
Then too with Pokemon as a whole, 'power' can allude to them being 'powerful' whether it be defensively or offensively.

You'd kind of have to grow up with the first generation to get the full understanding of legendaries and their rarity.

I don't know if you're trying to say that anyone who points out the error in the sentiment didn't "grow up with the first generation" or if you're saying that anyone who points out the error in the sentiment is missing some grand concept, but either one borders on the ridiculous.

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Which brings me back to my original characteristics of legendaries, or at least characteristics that all the legendary Pokmon (in generation I) had in common: rare and strong.

And yet, even the Legendary Pokémon in Gens IV and V were both rare and (if only narratively, in some cases, but then, Moltres sucks competitively too) strong. Their "rarity" was never determined by the total amount of Legendary species there were, but rather, by their "one-per-save file" nature.

Regardless, just because Legendary Pokémon in Gen I shared a trait or two doesn't not mean that all subsequent Legendary Pokémon must share that trait. That is the kind of logic that leads to stagnation, because if ideas must fit into a certain mold, they become limited in the ways that they can change and develop and be unique.

Originally Posted by BNator92

You'd kind of have to grow up with the first generation to get the full understanding of legendaries and their rarity.

I can't tell who you're talking to, but for the sake of confirmation, I did. And I understand that "legendary" is essentially just a label.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

since there is no legendary trio for kalos, do you think the bird trio will get mega forms? im really disappointed that we didn't get a fairy trio or something! kinda sucks... but if older trio pkmn are getting mega forms then i'll be happy ^_^

You'd kind of have to grow up with the first generation to get the full understanding of legendaries and their rarity.

Er, how? From what I've read up, they were indeed a little *sometimes plenty* more difficult to access even in-game and trading itself was problematic.
I still kind of fail to see how playing the first game versus others somehow skew my perspective on legendaries. :I

Originally Posted by Umbreon2112

since there is no legendary trio for kalos, do you think the bird trio will get mega forms? im really disappointed that we didn't get a fairy trio or something! kinda sucks... but if older trio pkmn are getting mega forms then i'll be happy ^_^

Regardless, just because Legendary Pokémon in Gen I shared a trait or two doesn't not mean that all subsequent Legendary Pokémon must share that trait. That is the kind of logic that leads to stagnation, because if ideas must fit into a certain mold, they become limited in the ways that they can change and develop and be unique.

I was only using the generation I legendaries as an example because they weren't central in myths or legends like the other legendaries are. And I agree, however, I think that Pokemon did set a mold of what the game was supposed to be like, but not necessarily on legendaries and such as much as gameplay in general.