It is so good to see so many people who opt out from being insured. They are the real patriots. Well that and parasites. Everyone of you guys know,
that when you get sick and know that you are going to die if you don’t get some help, you’re going to hit the nearest emergency room. I for one
hope they put you in a courtesy car and drop you off at the nearest bus stop, and tell you have a nice couple of days before you die. You got some
nerve not putting a penny in and yet want the benefits.

Let’s go real slow here for those people who have a hard time keeping up. The fine buys you nothing. Paying premiums buys you access to healthcare.
See how that works.

I’m all for you being able to do what you want. You don’t want health insurance? Don’t get it. Just realize you don’t get health care either.
Hospital write off mooches like you all the time. I think it’s time we stopped that. No care no write off.

Obamacare? Well you’re sure right about it not being perfect. But it did make some progress in rectifying the monstrous situation that existed
before. The one where truly sick people were locked out. Not allowed to participate at all in in the concept of insurance, spreading the risks, simply
because they were too risky.

Oh and here’s something to bitch about. All you people who get subsidies You’ll notice when you file your taxes that your earned income tax
credits disappeared. Yeah that’s right those subsidies were really just smoke and mirrors.

But again, a single payer system will still need funding from someone/somewhere. And where oh where does that money come from? The tax payer. So
bravo......more taxes to pay for people's life choices. All driven by a Govt that screws the easy things up on a daily basis.

Here is a question for you....since you trust in the Govt sooo much, how would you feel about the State or the Fed raising your kids?

a reply to: macman
The military is a government-run thing. If you hold absolute that the government cannot run anything right, then the military cannot have done
anything right.

I would say the argument fails immediately. Yes, Head Start is an amazing
program (pdf). Do you know anything about it? It's been running for several decades, and we've got some good ideas as to
how it performs(pdf):

Providing access to Head Start has a positive impact on children’s preschool experiences. There are statistically significant differences
between the Head Start group and the control group on every measure of children’s preschool experiences measured in this study.
...
However, the advantages children gained during their Head Start and age 4 years yielded only a few statistically significant differences in outcomes
at the end of 1st grade for the sample as a whole. Impacts at the end of kindergarten were scattered and are mentioned below only when they appear to
be related to the 1st grade impacts.

During Head Start? Good outcomes! After Head Start? Still some good outcomes! It appears the program's effects fade over time, which could be a
failing of public schooling more than the program.

It's fine to criticize programs that don't work. It's not fine to say that no programs work when some certainly do.

My three kids are in 30,28,26 yrs old. One just get his BA degree in business this may(worked for service master and paid his own way) , one is an
Administrator for a long term care center, the other is a CNA and a mother.

No one was there to help me give birth, no one was there when I nursed and fed and gave them life. No one was there when I got them ready for the
baby sitter at 5 in the morning so I could go to work for the next 11 hours. No one was there the numerous times that I did not have enough food
because I missed a day at work. So I don't know what you are talking about because that is the experience of most families.

You give me a reason why working americans should lose their homes and shorten their lives for insurance company profits.

The military is a government-run thing. If you hold absolute that the government cannot run anything right, then the military cannot have done
anything right.

The Govt run Military is a nightmare now days.
The missions run by the military members are what is the success.

originally posted by: Greven
I would say the argument fails immediately. Yes, Head Start is an amazing
program (pdf). Do you know anything about it? It's been running for several decades, and we've got some good ideas as to
how it performs(pdf):

Providing access to Head Start has a positive impact on children’s preschool experiences. There are statistically significant differences
between the Head Start group and the control group on every measure of children’s preschool experiences measured in this study.
...
However, the advantages children gained during their Head Start and age 4 years yielded only a few statistically significant differences in outcomes
at the end of 1st grade for the sample as a whole. Impacts at the end of kindergarten were scattered and are mentioned below only when they appear to
be related to the 1st grade impacts.

During Head Start? Good outcomes! After Head Start? Still some good outcomes! It appears the program's effects fade over time, which could be a
failing of public schooling more than the program.

It's fine to criticize programs that don't work. It's not fine to say that no programs work when some certainly
do.

Oh goodie, a Govt based program,which states in your article that a small increase is seen and little difference after grade 1, all the while being
how much over budget?

So no.....the Govt could screw up a wet dream. Success measured for Govt programs always seems to fall under some different form of math and results
then anywhere else in the world.

a reply to: macman
Uhh... you realize that, if an individual is in the military, then he or she is part of the government... right?

It's not a fear-term.

The evaluation I linked is one of the most critical yet made on the program. Why do you say Head Start is over budget?

Yeah, the good effects of Head Start fade after kids are no longer enrolled in it. This has been known about for decades, but I don't think it's
very well studied. One idea for why it happens is that Head Start generally targets low-income children. These children then move into low-income
schools. These low-income schools provide lower-quality education because they can't really afford things.

originally posted by: Greven
The military is a government-run thing. If you hold absolute that the government cannot run anything right, then the military cannot have done
anything right.

I was in the military, as was my wife, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that not all wars and battles are won, fought effectively, or paid for
efficiently. Yes, some military movements may run smoothly, but that doesn't mean that the military as a whole is not just another wasteful, poorly
run, over-reaching, politicized system that tends to abuse its employees.

BTW, your logic in the above quote is really faulty--just because something isn't run properly doesn't mean that, on occassion, it does something
right.

originally posted by: okyouwin
It is so good to see so many people who opt out from being insured. They are the real patriots. Well that and parasites. Everyone of you guys know,
that when you get sick and know that you are going to die if you don’t get some help, you’re going to hit the nearest emergency room. I for one
hope they put you in a courtesy car and drop you off at the nearest bus stop, and tell you have a nice couple of days before you die. You got some
nerve not putting a penny in and yet want the benefits.

Let’s go real slow here for those people who have a hard time keeping up. The fine buys you nothing. Paying premiums buys you access to healthcare.
See how that works.

Yeah. I remember how Obama said it was going to work before he was elected. I remember he claimed he was against the individual mandate. I remember
how he said things like "If a mandate was the solution, we could solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house".

Yeah. I remember the lies. I know that's inconvenient and we're not supposed to remember the guy who promised there wasn't going to be a mandate in
the first place. Of course now that he just did it anyway and doesn't have to care what he said then, here we are arguing about what should happen to
the people who don't follow orders.

And by the way. Isn't it interesting that the same media that does remember the guy who said you could keep your doctor and your insurance hardly
ever mentions the fact that Obama flip flopped completely on the mandate to start with? Isn't it strange that the people who claim they're against
Obamacare have not taken full advantage of this massive lie? If it ever gets mentioned at all, it's hardly ever. They've made a huge deal out of just
about every other lie he told but somehow, they always leave out the one that lays the foundation for all the rest of them.

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