On behalf of Jim Wagner I am transcribing the following from an a superviser in the Cosa Mesa Logistics Emplyment Monday Officers Nepotism Association Deployment Education Stationary Tactics Advanced Not Dealing with bevarages only Division.... Code Name LEMONADE STAND... for short. He says...

"Mr Wagner did under intense scrutiny mix properly and serve lemonade to the good citizens of Cosa Mesa, despite searing heat and other logistical nightmares that often interfered with the proper set up and dispersment of said beverages."

"Mr Wagner did in fact have this department's highest accomidation and certificates will show that mr Wagner is indeed qualified to serve cold beverages to all citizens of Cosa Mesa with LEMONADE STANDS permission to describe the honorable functions of said department.

Hock after my instructor camebck from one of your seminars, we were put through the ringer, so i can speak on some of your stuff with a thumbs up, now i guess i'll have to experience a course by wagner for comparison but i wonder if i should even bother

This is funny stuff. We actually had a student (adult) quit at my scool b/c he wanted his training to be like Wagner's stuff. He even brought in a BB mag and tried to show the staff the great knowledge of SGT Jim Wagner. People will believe anything they read.

Speaking of reality based self defense--your three stooges based eye gouge defense doesnt look too realistic to me. You mean to tell me that your going to see the eyegouge coming and have time to put your hand up to jam the hand like that?

How about this gun technique where you transition to a handgun to a rifle with the handgun still dangling from your trigger finger?

These days they teach to use the longarm first since it is more powerful and accurate and then transition to the handgun if you need to. In your picture you are starting with a handgun and then transitioning to a M16.

I think Hock deserves a topic of his own investigating what he teaches.

Theres nothing out of context about them. Either their good or their not. Im just point out things about him.

Hock is bitching about Wagner because he considers him competition and this is a way to slag him. He is also doing it to get exposure for himself and to bring people to his forum. He has his instructors posting about it on different forums. Its guerilla marketing.

If Wagner was teaching Tai Chi Hock wouldnt care what he claimed. And that is relevant.