A discussion based on the facts that Mr. Sethi, who is an authoritative historian, brings out that directly contravene the conventional (Pakistani) wisdom, that says Kargil was solved because of Indian political maneuvering. Please watch the videos. The Indians had the Pakistanis in full military-rout at the time a political solution was achieved, and only because Nawaz Sharif desired it so.

Also interesting revelations on a possible Chinese overturn of their traditional confederate-relationship with Pakistan.

There is another video of an account where an ex army officer has categorically stated that it was Musharraf during a briefing in July begged Nawaz Sharif to find way out from this misery by asking Americans to intervene. The only mistake Nawaz Sharif did was not embarking Musharraf on the plane to USA with him.

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Army lost 2,700 military personnel in the Kargil conflict, far higher than its casualties during the 1965 and 1971 wars with India, former Pakistan prime minister Nawaz Sharif has said in his memoirs. Sharif said the extent of the casualties was so "huge" that he asked Musharraf how Pakistan suffered so many losses when his initial claim was that the military would not suffer any damage as the operations were being conducted by mujahideen. Musharraf attributed the casualties to carpet bombing of the Kargil peaks by India.

"I inquired (from Musharraf) were you not aware that this kind of bombing could take place. Musharraf said, 'Sir, we were not aware of it,'" Sharif said adding he was told the Indian artillery bombardment was so extensive that it blew off Pakistan soldiers hiding in trenches.Musharraf told Sharif that because the trenches did not have covers, the soldiers were directly exposed to artillery fire.
"Let me tell you by the time when the Washington deal took place, the Indians had already recaptured half of the peaks and were advancing further. I protected the Pakistan Army's honour or they would have been left with nothing," Sharif said.

In response to a question why he visited the front lines with Musharraf in the midst of Kargil episode, Sharif said he went after Musharraf insisted that he goes there and meet the soldiers.

What is surprising is the fact that official Pakistani figures were 453 soldiers killed and 527 Indian Soldiers killed. Now if you look at the war, where they occupied high ground with defensive position, also the fact that place and place of war was chosen by Pakistan and they were planning it for long time, including purchase of warm cloths and supplies for war, taking into consideration all this our casualties should be very very high. This fact clearly shows that our soldiers fought very bravely and performed beyond their ability in very adverse condition and we won the war.

What is surprising is the fact that official Pakistani figures were 453 soldiers killed and 527 Indian Soldiers killed. Now if you look at the war, where they occupied high ground with defensive position, also the fact that place and place of war was chosen by Pakistan and they were planning it for long time, including purchase of warm cloths and supplies for war, taking into consideration all this our casualties should be very very high. This fact clearly shows that our soldiers fought very bravely and performed beyond their ability in very adverse condition and we won the war.

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Did IA intel pick up on that indicator of cold weather gear purchase by PA?

Did IA intel pick up on that indicator of cold weather gear purchase by PA?

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Nope, they were sleeping. Heck, IA intel didn't even pick up the fact that Pakistani soldiers were sitting on Indian territory until Indian soldiers went up the mountains in the summer and saw Pakistanis occupying their posts!

well Indeed kargil was a blunder
being pakistani they should have achieved the target by any mean even using nukes when they started it

and higher number of death toll was only shown to the world
Otherwise as MUSHARaf said pak army death toll was only 379soldier

even this number was high Considering the army they were fighting are Indian by origin

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The question is whether you believe in Musharraf's magically small number 379.

140 odd bunkers, high up in the inhospitable terrain, were occupied, that too in the winter. I would assume it took several thousand trained people to organize this entire programme, and all that followed.

The question whether you believe in Musharraf's magically small number 379.

140 odd bunkers, high up in the inhospitable terrain, were occupied, that too in the winter. I would assume it took several thousand trained people to organize this entire programme, and all that followed.

AFAIK the point 5353 was on point of LOC and it should have been taken... The major casualty PA had taken when it was retreating and WE went on shelling on the retreating PA army that created a major confusion & death.

I do not think PA wil attempt another Kargil... The cost will be too much to handle...