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As a personal opinion, i am against abortion, exceptional to certain situations. But i do agree with this guy. This kind of propaganda on a matter that is, ultimately, a personal matter, is derrogatory AND trully helps no one.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:As a personal opinion, i am against abortion, exceptional to certain situations. But i do agree with this guy. This kind of propaganda on a matter that is, ultimately, a personal matter, is derrogatory AND trully helps no one.

Sums up my opinion, except I am against abortion in all situations except for one like this, where the baby will be severely deformed with no cure.

And what the fuck is up with people and the "you angry" thing? Like telling someone they are mad is an insult? Sometimes you SHOULD be mad and righteously so.

If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

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Spidey

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But how to make her see?
The truth about my past, impossible
She'd turn away from me

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

Experience Points : 14972Location : New YorkComments : A is Atari, the first on the scene.B is Bits, be they 8 or 16.C for Controller Cords stretched ‘cross the floor. D for the Dreamcast, a console no more. E is Ecco, the porpoise-y sea hero. F is for Fantasies Final… Look, chocobos! G is for Genesis, 16-bit mirth. H is for Hyrule, land of Link’s birth. I is for Infocom’s text-based frivoloties. J is for John Carmack’s first-person novelties. K for Konami’s dark vampire tales.L for the Lemmings who march without fail. M is for Mario. Run, goombas, run! N for Nintendo, the first name is fun.O is for Oddworld, with games strage and clever. P is for Pac-Man, who caused quite a fever.Q is for Q-Bert’s curse-filled speech bubble. R is for Ridley, who gave Samus trouble. S is for Sonic, his fleet feet reknowned. T is for Tetris blocks falling in mounds. U is for Ulala’s fast, funky feet. V is for Video cards, fast obsolete. W for Wizardry; through dungeons we’d scurry. X for the Xbox, as big as Missouri. Y is for Yoshi, a plumber’s best friend. Z is for Zelda, and here this rhyme ends.See ya in anothah life, brothah. - Desmond Hume

You must consider if Hilter and Stalin were a product of genes, environment, or both. If their actions were strictly due to their genes then yes aborting them would have helped. If their actions were strictly due to their environment then aborting them would just mean another dictator with a different name would have taken their role. but, as has been proven many times, a person is a product of both, two people with the same genes will develop differently if placed in different environments. At the same time two people with different genes, but living in the same environment will develop differently. So you can't actually suppose aborting either one would have helped the world, Germany at the time was suffering post World War 1 demands, they felt the imposed restrictions unfair so it was only a matter of time until they rebeled. At the same time without Hitler it might have been directed more generally, rather then specifically and might have been slightly better. No way to know in the end, so that particular argument is invalid.

Anyway, as I've stated before, I'm against abortion except in one case, and that is when the pregnant woman was raped. Even with disabilities people can contribute, some very influential people have had severe disabilities.

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

Who are you to say wut life is, urself?

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Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

I'm simply looking at it from a logical standpoint. It is like you find a 9000 year old egyptian skull fragment and you... kick it. Also, I didn't say that it wasn't alive, I used alive in parenthesis to show that I didn't mean it in the sense that we take it. Also, DNA doesn't carry hope. What would this world have come to if people weren't promiscuous enough to have sex and HAVE Einstein and Newton, you are basically arguing for people to go out and have sex all the time because, you know, imagine what would happen if this person wasn't born, we need to populate the world so that we have these incredible people or else we will all die in flames.

Also, you guys ever think about the pain? Does anyone really need to go through that much pain just because a condom broke or something? Also, the exception for rape doesn't even make sense, it isn't consistent with your line of thought. Sure, I don't support aborting a child that has defects, unless they are fatal, but, then again, considering the financial lives, looking at how we don't have universal healthcare, of these people, a child with a disease might be too much for them, and they don't want to go through the torturous ordeal of labor to give birth to a child that won't even be there's as they give it up for adoption.

Let people make their own choices regarding their life, if they want to pop the pill, let them.

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

Who are you to say wut life is, urself?

I just told you, with scientific terms what it is. Aard expounded on it.

Nihil wrote:

Champion wrote:

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

I'm simply looking at it from a logical standpoint. It is like you find a 9000 year old egyptian skull fragment and you... kick it. Also, I didn't say that it wasn't alive, I used alive in parenthesis to show that I didn't mean it in the sense that we take it. Also, DNA doesn't carry hope. What would this world have come to if people weren't promiscuous enough to have sex and HAVE Einstein and Newton, you are basically arguing for people to go out and have sex all the time because, you know, imagine what would happen if this person wasn't born, we need to populate the world so that we have these incredible people or else we will all die in flames.

Also, you guys ever think about the pain? Does anyone really need to go through that much pain just because a condom broke or something? Also, the exception for rape doesn't even make sense, it isn't consistent with your line of thought. Sure, I don't support aborting a child that has defects, unless they are fatal, but, then again, considering the financial lives, looking at how we don't have universal healthcare, of these people, a child with a disease might be too much for them, and they don't want to go through the torturous ordeal of labor to give birth to a child that won't even be there's as they give it up for adoption.

Let people make their own choices regarding their life, if they want to pop the pill, let them.

DNA is hope. That is what procreation is, the continuation of life and hope for the future. I was not saying what if so and such wasnt born and to have more sex, I said what if they were murdered by abortion. There is a difference. As for the pain, maybe if people would stop butchering eachother and butchering babies we could actually make some progress medically, then they would not experience pain. I find it twisted and vile that you would not abort a fetus that will develop into a complete invalid and yet endorse the abortion of a fetus of a careless mother. I am all for people making choices about their lives, but they have no right to anyone elses, including an unborn child.

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

Who are you to say wut life is, urself?

I just told you, with scientific terms what it is. Aard expounded on it.

Nihil wrote:

Champion wrote:

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

I'm simply looking at it from a logical standpoint. It is like you find a 9000 year old egyptian skull fragment and you... kick it. Also, I didn't say that it wasn't alive, I used alive in parenthesis to show that I didn't mean it in the sense that we take it. Also, DNA doesn't carry hope. What would this world have come to if people weren't promiscuous enough to have sex and HAVE Einstein and Newton, you are basically arguing for people to go out and have sex all the time because, you know, imagine what would happen if this person wasn't born, we need to populate the world so that we have these incredible people or else we will all die in flames.

Also, you guys ever think about the pain? Does anyone really need to go through that much pain just because a condom broke or something? Also, the exception for rape doesn't even make sense, it isn't consistent with your line of thought. Sure, I don't support aborting a child that has defects, unless they are fatal, but, then again, considering the financial lives, looking at how we don't have universal healthcare, of these people, a child with a disease might be too much for them, and they don't want to go through the torturous ordeal of labor to give birth to a child that won't even be there's as they give it up for adoption.

Let people make their own choices regarding their life, if they want to pop the pill, let them.

DNA is hope. That is what procreation is, the continuation of life and hope for the future. I was not saying what if so and such wasnt born and to have more sex, I said what if they were murdered by abortion. There is a difference. As for the pain, maybe if people would stop butchering eachother and butchering babies we could actually make some progress medically, then they would not experience pain. I find it twisted and vile that you would not abort a fetus that will develop into a complete invalid and yet endorse the abortion of a fetus of a careless mother. I am all for people making choices about their lives, but they have no right to anyone elses, including an unborn child.

I don't support abortion at all unless for the case of fatal diseases and rape and the such. But, what is right for us may not be right for everyone else. That is why I support abortion, there is also philosophical standpoint behind my belief. Also, if Einstein's parents hadn't wanted another child, then Einstein wouldn't have been born, so ya.

Dray The Fingerless wrote:Just gonna drop this here, a pregnancy affects a woman's life too, and can indeed kill the woman sometimes.

No one asked anyone else to have sex. Sex is not a right, and sadly with all the contraception today, people abuse it with no end like any other drug.

Nihil wrote:

Champion wrote:

Aureus wrote:

Champion wrote:

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

Who are you to say wut life is, urself?

I just told you, with scientific terms what it is. Aard expounded on it.

Nihil wrote:

Champion wrote:

Nihil wrote:If you can't feel, you can't breath, you can't think then you wouldn't know the difference between life and death. You can't remember anything as a fetus for a reason, you aren't what we would call "alive" then. Just a conglomerate of cells. I have no problem with abortion, it might not be right for some people, but for other people it is right. Otherwise, again, you are controlling their sexual privacy and health, and their bodies.

Who the fuck are you to assume what is life and what is not life? Life in its most basic form is a strand of DNA. It tells our entire being what to look like, and even dictates a lot of our personality. Each unique code carries with it a hope and dream, and to stamp that out before it even has a chance is brutal and senseless. I wonder what this world would be had Einstein, or Newton been aborted. Shame on you callous fuckers. Thank god I was not aborted.

I'm simply looking at it from a logical standpoint. It is like you find a 9000 year old egyptian skull fragment and you... kick it. Also, I didn't say that it wasn't alive, I used alive in parenthesis to show that I didn't mean it in the sense that we take it. Also, DNA doesn't carry hope. What would this world have come to if people weren't promiscuous enough to have sex and HAVE Einstein and Newton, you are basically arguing for people to go out and have sex all the time because, you know, imagine what would happen if this person wasn't born, we need to populate the world so that we have these incredible people or else we will all die in flames.

Also, you guys ever think about the pain? Does anyone really need to go through that much pain just because a condom broke or something? Also, the exception for rape doesn't even make sense, it isn't consistent with your line of thought. Sure, I don't support aborting a child that has defects, unless they are fatal, but, then again, considering the financial lives, looking at how we don't have universal healthcare, of these people, a child with a disease might be too much for them, and they don't want to go through the torturous ordeal of labor to give birth to a child that won't even be there's as they give it up for adoption.

Let people make their own choices regarding their life, if they want to pop the pill, let them.

DNA is hope. That is what procreation is, the continuation of life and hope for the future. I was not saying what if so and such wasnt born and to have more sex, I said what if they were murdered by abortion. There is a difference. As for the pain, maybe if people would stop butchering eachother and butchering babies we could actually make some progress medically, then they would not experience pain. I find it twisted and vile that you would not abort a fetus that will develop into a complete invalid and yet endorse the abortion of a fetus of a careless mother. I am all for people making choices about their lives, but they have no right to anyone elses, including an unborn child.

I don't support abortion at all unless for the case of fatal diseases and rape and the such. But, what is right for us may not be right for everyone else. That is why I support abortion, there is also philosophical standpoint behind my belief. Also, if Einstein's parents hadn't wanted another child, then Einstein wouldn't have been born, so ya.

Well then I misread your statement. You keep bringing up the point of einstein, the point is he was conceived, and thus became a life and that life was not aborted. It's that simple. And I would love to hear this philosophical standpoint you have, because I have yet to hear an argument to even nudge me slightly in favor of destroying someone before they can even defend themselves.

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thing944 wrote:I'm with Nihil on this one. I don't believe it to be right as a birth control method, but as far as rape goes or deadly diseases that is sure to kill the child, I have no problems against.

Aardvark wrote:

thing944 wrote:Well, what if Hitler and Stalin were aborted?

The world could be a much better place.

...then aborting them would just mean another dictator with a different name would have taken their role...

This is what I was thinking about. Eventually, someone would've taken Einstein's place or Newton's place. I feel that history has a strange place of fixing itself.

Thats pretty delusional to believe. Requires more faith than anything. I am of the more practical reasoning, that if humanity would have stopped killing eachother and just grew the fuck up already we would probably have SOLVED death and many other things plaguing us. Shit who knows how many brilliant minds were aborted in the past 30 years, it's sad to even think about.

Experience Points : 14972Location : New YorkComments : A is Atari, the first on the scene.B is Bits, be they 8 or 16.C for Controller Cords stretched ‘cross the floor. D for the Dreamcast, a console no more. E is Ecco, the porpoise-y sea hero. F is for Fantasies Final… Look, chocobos! G is for Genesis, 16-bit mirth. H is for Hyrule, land of Link’s birth. I is for Infocom’s text-based frivoloties. J is for John Carmack’s first-person novelties. K for Konami’s dark vampire tales.L for the Lemmings who march without fail. M is for Mario. Run, goombas, run! N for Nintendo, the first name is fun.O is for Oddworld, with games strage and clever. P is for Pac-Man, who caused quite a fever.Q is for Q-Bert’s curse-filled speech bubble. R is for Ridley, who gave Samus trouble. S is for Sonic, his fleet feet reknowned. T is for Tetris blocks falling in mounds. U is for Ulala’s fast, funky feet. V is for Video cards, fast obsolete. W for Wizardry; through dungeons we’d scurry. X for the Xbox, as big as Missouri. Y is for Yoshi, a plumber’s best friend. Z is for Zelda, and here this rhyme ends.See ya in anothah life, brothah. - Desmond Hume

... abortion is wrong unless the pregnancy is caused by rape and ect. or if the baby is very deformed or if the child is going to have a very hard time with other kids and have a misrable life. I was playing assassins creed 2 the other day and read about a guy who had his dream girl then got stabbed in the head and survived with severe brain damage stuff like that is just sad i would want to die then. I shake that man's hand if i could. also genes arent hope itself for genes give hope for the parent(s). We cannot determain life for God determains life and life is beyond us. If u believe in God if u dont then go to science:/

I'm a Christian i was taught against abortion but you may only abort in certain situations and thats what the "new" 21st century Christians are raised now those women werent aware of that but they learnt their lessons that was horrible what they did why should they "kick a downed man(or woman)" so i'm on the Fathers side if i found those two women i would "stone" them but u must have a good reason if u abort because of education or u dont want a baby then u just fucked urself because that meant u werent ready for a baby and u deserve the grief otherwise people should not down u about that

dude24oak wrote:... abortion is wrong unless the pregnancy is caused by rape and ect. or if the baby is very deformed or if the child is going to have a very hard time with other kids and have a misrable life. I was playing assassins creed 2 the other day and read about a guy who had his dream girl then got stabbed in the head and survived with severe brain damage stuff like that is just sad i would want to die then. I shake that man's hand if i could. also genes arent hope itself for genes give hope for the parent(s). We cannot determain life for God determains life and life is beyond us. If u believe in God if u dont then go to science:/

Hey.. I am against abortion and I do not believe in god. Just because someone is not religious does not mean they do not have morals, sometimes even higher than people who believe in god. I can't tell you how many times I have debated with religious folk on youtube and they are the ones doing most of the cursing, screaming and name calling.

And what does science have to do with religion? Science discovers things through experimentation, something you can actually validate and prove occurs 100% of the time (such as gravity for a basic example), if it happens to conflict with your holy book, its not science thats being evil. Trust me. Science is nothing more than a way to validate ideas about nature. It has nothing to do with religion, but religion certainly makes it a prerogative to attack science (intelligent design, young earth creationism, etc).

Aureus wrote:Well it's hypocritical how Christian's are trying to use science against others when their faith is pretty much the opposite of it in nearly every way

I find it utterly mocking of rational thought and intelligence that someone would spew out a verse that can be interpreted in 1000 ways and then say "Look! Science!".