Because we had the long thread about feminism, I thought I'd share this video. I watched here on The Mary Sue, which is quickly becoming one of my favorite websites. It's about 20 minutes long, but it's pretty interesting, IMHO.

The conversation about violence usually takes the wrong perspective - we talk about the victims, not the perpetrators. Some of this is because of the nearly universal tendency to drop the dominant group from any conversation about any problem - race, domestic and sexual violence, crime in general.

Additionally, we tend to talk about each incident as though it were happening in isolation, when we know that violence does not happen in a vacuum. We rarely talk about institutional violence.

We all need to take responsibility for stopping violence; in the same way that whites can and (sometimes) do forestall racist comments and actions by other whites, men need to speak up to other men about sexism and violence. It needs to not be acceptable, or funny, or cute.

That's the gist, I think.

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men need to speak up to other men about sexism and violence. It needs to not be acceptable, or funny, or cute.

"Need to", kitten? Don't you worry your pretty head about what us men "need to" do. You're adorable.

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What interests me is that the actual ruling was made in 1992, but women (or at least this Van Voast person anyway) have been being harassed by the police for being topless for years regardless. She deserves to win her lawsuit.

The whole case of topless women being lewd or not is an interesting case study in how women's bodies are still defined by male desire. We've seen it with breastfeeding even, though that has gotten a lot better, where people think it is somehow lewd to do the most natural thing in the world - feed their baby. The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument. That fetishization (similar to the fetishization of ankles etc in other cultures) is imposed on women's bodies, and women are expected to change their behavior to deal with it.

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.

TL;DR: in B4 "she was raped cause she was walking around topless"

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lolgaxe wrote:

When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument.

Not to belabor the obvious, but it's also the same reason why bare genitals are considered lewd. I'm not allowed to walk down the street with my dong hanging out because it's considered lewd on the basis of sexuality. What other possible argument is there going to be for calling something lewd?

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.

I don't think it's the boobs. I think it's the tender white skin of the young, nubile (Joph's word!) attractive woman thing that turns men on. The sight of a ball of fat and glands covered with stretched skinned and topped with a nipple has a decidedly different effect on most depending on if the woman is considered attractive or not.

What interests me is that the actual ruling was made in 1992, but women (or at least this Van Voast person anyway) have been being harassed by the police for being topless for years regardless. She deserves to win her lawsuit.

The whole case of topless women being lewd or not is an interesting case study in how women's bodies are still defined by male desire. We've seen it with breastfeeding even, though that has gotten a lot better, where people think it is somehow lewd to do the most natural thing in the world - feed their baby. The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument. That fetishization (similar to the fetishization of ankles etc in other cultures) is imposed on women's bodies, and women are expected to change their behavior to deal with it.

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.

TL;DR: in B4 "she was raped cause she was walking around topless"

This just sounds like a double standard to me.

I'm not allowed to walk around with my balls hanging out, so why is expecting women to not walk around with their boobs hanging out any different? Or is this just advocating for public nudity in general?

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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.

I'm not allowed to walk around with my balls hanging out, so why is expecting women to not walk around with their boobs hanging out any different? Or is this just advocating for public nudity in general?

If it helps you feel better, I'm sure we can find some thong looking thing that technically covers them but leaves very little to the imagination.

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Does anyone, man or woman, need to expose their ******* or genitalia to cool down?

Removing clothing should be a last resort, used only when you can't find an ice cream vendor. I can't imagine a situation where you'd be forced to take off your underwear to cool down; the change would be so negligible that you would do better to keep it on and save your dignity.

As for rape, I'm fairly certain that women who wear skimpy clothing are targeted more often. Elinda, I don't see where you went with that.

When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

Wait what is 2 Souls then? Ellen Page isnt a girl/woman? Or they saying No newly announced games ? If so its a stupid argument saying oh well you didnt include X? What about African Americans? Or Asian or Indian. Were they represented in the games? Again you cant make everyone happy, and tossing a female lead in a game just to have a female lead would be pointless, and just pandering.

Also don't judge the whole by the few, Not every German is a ****.

Edit: Also If she wants more women in gaming, make your own game with a female protagonist, or commission your own. Its a free world nothings stopping her, Indie games do it all the time.

tossing a female lead in a game just to have a female lead would be pointless, and just pandering.

I agree with you on this point, but at the same time, I don't think it is really a choice between having few/no female leads and just "tossing in one" either. For me, the issue of female leads or not is less salient than the the hatred and vitriol expressed by people when someone even dared mention it. I mean, is it really so bad to hope/wish/want/advocate for more women leads in games? Do people deserve to be called names because they want that?

I mean, I don't think wanting to see more female leads in games makes you a C*nt or a B*tch - but people seem to think it's acceptable to call someone that cause they dared mention it.

And I'd like to see more diversity overall, which is why I think starting with representing women, which make up fully half the population on earth, is a good start.

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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

Thinking about it, the two recently launches games I've heard the most about have been Remember Me (female protagonist) and Last of Us (tough female companion). Game I heard most about going into E3 was Mirror's Edge 2.

See this is why people get angry, making claims that are unsubstantiated and intentional slanderous. Im not saying the words people used on Twitter were ok, but I understand the feelings behind them. Shes causing issues to do just that cause issue, it doesnt matter who wrote it male or female., it would be the same feeling. I want to ***** the person out for lying to make a scene.

Edit: Also If she wants more women in gaming, make your own game with a female protagonist, or commission your own. Its a free world nothings stopping her, Indie games do it all the time.

Were you born retarded or did you have to work at it?

Born this way thanks. I was making a point if you want change get up and show that the change is going to work. These are multi million dollar games, most publishes are scared as **** to change anything. Thats why we get Call of Halo 8 and stuff. They want to make a profit and anything that might challenge that is auto tossed.

My comment was to say If you want to make a change in the industry get off your a$$ and make a change dont sit there an complain about it. Show that games with woman leads can be profitable.

My whole point is shes hitting the hornet nest (Anonymous internet people) to cause a scene, in the end it doesnt change anything.

Does anyone, man or woman, need to expose their ******* or genitalia to cool down?

The groin and the armpits are the best places to cool someone down. So yeah, if someone is suffering from a heat-related illness taking their clothes off is very reasonable. Do you know you have to take off a woman's shirt AND bra to do CPR on her?

Why is skin so awful to look at?

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Removing clothing should be a last resort, used only when you can't find an ice cream vendor.

Eating ice cream doesn't cool you down. You're just a tease.

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As for rape, I'm fairly certain that women who wear skimpy clothing are targeted more often. Elinda, I don't see where you went with that.