And at no point did I claim that indigenous people were Superior to anyone else, the only thing that I say is teach history truthfully from both points of view and we were given treaties and we were put on lands, the most unwanted land but still it was promised to remain to be ours forever and over the years the government keeps taking more and more land away from us, violating our treaties those are contracts that's what we were given for all the land was taken those were deals that the government made with us. So you're saying it's fair to nullify our contracts at this point it's fair to take away everything we have left like the transaction never ever mattered? That is called fraud. We were defrauded then. So whoever sold your house to should buy your logic be able to after a period of Time come back and take that house from you and say that your deal is Null & Void and no you don't get your money back. Those deals were forced on us but we had to take them. And still you want more?

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Wait. I'm agreeing with you. What happened when the Europeans invaded ( only way to see it) was horrendous.

Oh in that case I'm confused, I thought you were saying that we were not indigenous to the area unless we had crawled out of the mire or been created here whichever way you believe and that because of that we didn't have a right to the treaties. Reservations. I've had many people say these things to me before such as we were no better than cows grazing land and deserving of the same rights as those cows. I apologize for misunderstanding what you were saying, and thank you for clarifying it for me.

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The most-used word was savages.

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I have utmost respect for indigenous peoples. Columbus acted criminally. Indigenous peoples viewed land as belonging to everyone, or in that case, to no one, they traded freely among the tribes before Columbus, what one had and another didn't they exchanged over established trading, they kept the land groomed and parklike so agriculture and husbandry could thrive. Columbus arrived in search of gold and slaves, he wanted to conquer and obtain, Europeans had no understanding of the cultures and thought processes of the peoples they encountered so they called them primitive and barbarian to try to somewhat justify their interactions.

Thank you and I really appreciate your comments. I guess I'm starting to feel really freaked out and sensitive. I can see we are all being worked up into so many divisions because that is how major shifts in structure or moves for Genocide begin. Divided, no one to support eachother. I could talk til I'm blue in the face which by the way I am. On Twitter and FB too. They want those public trust lands and reservations bad to get every last drop of oil & gas. They, Nestles CEO wants to privatize the water, he says we have no right to free water as private citizens he and the crooked officials did that horrible thing to Flint Michigan. They have blocked them from being able to sue for the damages. We, all of American citizens, are so busy fighting with each other we look at it we say, that's so wrong that's so sad but we don't do anything about it.

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It is estimsted
still over 100 "lost" tribes in the world that have never had contact with white peoples. Unfortunately they are being forced out of their hidden locations due to illegal logging and drug trade. Google lost people of Amazon

Yes they want that land very badly they made a movie a horror movie about the cannibals there that ate the people that went to protect them and it was very disgusting and it was very scary and it was for a specific purpose to demonize those people and to make people not care about what was going to happen to them.

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Of course not. I've read the history. No one has the right to eminent domain, or manifest destiny.

Who Columbus looking for India and landing in Central America? Or the People that migrated this way before the Continental Divide? If you mean Columbus, those Natives did. They took their boats out to the ship making many treks to get them and their things to shore. They treated them like honored guests and the only thing that he could do was evaluate if there was a way to salvage his journey to exploit the land and the people to get a return on his investment dismissed he had immediately dismissed them as inferior. Possibly they could make good slaves. Despite the kindness they had shown.

if we give real recognition to Natives then the reality will get exposed, because people will start admiring them instead of forgetting about them. Like in abusive families (and corrupt communities) where any victims are treated like they're stupid and unimportant human beings (gag) .

I don't believe there should be a such thing as white guilt seriously. All throughout history the human race has managed to use labels, group up those most like them, declare the others inferior, and moved to dominate. Before Europeans discovered that there were other vast lands, they did the exact same thing to eachother, and all along there were good people of the same races who fought against atrocities. Good and Bad people in every Race/Religion (unless the purpose of the religion is to embrace evil for personal gain). Can we not put truth into history & choose to not honor men we know to have committed great evils, without feeling guilt? Being half White (German/English) and half Native American, I do not feel guilt for the bad things done by bad people on either side. I just want truth taught to the Native and White children, that neither are inferior to the other.

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Well said. My sister is going on field trip w third grader to May Flower and Plymouth Plantation. I'll be questioning her about it.

I know you were just being sarcastic coolermommy when you said you only felt that way because of white guilt, that made me chuckle. I am only lamenting this whole thing of "revisionist history" and "white guilt". Why do they choose to believe such things about and label people that only seek truth and equality?

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I do like to help/mentor others, so is that my guilt for having somewhat of "prosperous guilt"? Lol.
or do I have "able body guilt" if I choose to believe I'm doing good by helping persons w disabilities?
Does Socrates have "meme guilt"?
For all everyone here knows I'm a black/Mexican/native/euro/impoverished man with 3 kids and no wife.

While not an international day of solidarity, tribes around the country hold Pow Wow to celebrate their heritage, history, and traditions.

In college, I had a classmate that was a Pottawatomie dancer, and his young sons also danced with him. Check you local tribes and find out when they hold theirs.

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That would be interesting. There is still quite a bit of heritage here in RI.

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Yes. Definitely a good thing to take the youngsters to see. I need to check about getting my granddaughters registered with the tribe. One tribe member said that it might be easier to get them registered through the local Three Fires tribe than the ones over by Detroit. My daughter would love that. Long before she met their dad, she loved first nations art.

Of course, if they can be registered, they'll still have access and use of Buxton Castle in Scotland.

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That is really cool! My fathers side has not been here long enough to associate with a tribe. My moms family is from Canada. My grandmother always said her great grandmother was "Indian". I sit w her once a week, I'll see if she has any more info... But we just associate as French. (And Italian/which has a better chance of African I suppose in all reality)

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Regardless of your beliefs, it appears we all came out of Africa at some point. ????

Last year, at auction, I picked up the time life series of Indians. Not sure if entire set is there, but 24 volumes for $1 was something I couldn't pass up. My daughter salivates at the thought of getting them.

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Of course we ALL came out of AFRICA. lol.
I just mean probably not enough to identify myself as black or Native American on all those annoying forms.

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My grandsons will have to go through that part. The oldest is 1/8 Navajo, 3/8 African American, and 1/2 Euro-American. His half-brothers are 1/4 African-American and 3/4Euro-American.

Yes, my family embraces diversity.

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I hear yah. I think my 1/2 sisters could if they wished to. I always want to check who the f cares.

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Notice the term I used, "Euro-American". Had an argument last census that that was how I identified myself. I'll do it again next time.

It's just open dialog. For Hods sake, I took Afroamerican studies in college, 2 courses, not because of white guilt, but because there are two sides to every story. Here's my other:
https://imgflip.com/i/1bxkh8

Do not assume this has anything to do w/politics. Please do not suggest I am not well educated, or that I am a white priveledged/guilt liberal. I attended college both here in Europe, that I PAID for. That was 22 years ago.

Exactly!!! It is so ironic! I was shocked when people started labling me liberal. The meaning of it wanting less government/state control over your life might fit but what they think it meansdoes not always fit. I hate getting labled with a stereotype, inferring assumptions about me that are just not true.

For your enjoyment, Ninja, you like real history, not fake altered history right? Here you go~
"H. Con. Res. 331 was passed in October 1988 to acknowledge the contribution of the Iroquois Confederacy of Nations to the development of the United States Constitution,"

Hey Ninja...I think that's a little uncalled for in a completely calm debate and comments in a discussion and you are sounding like a democrat libtard by calling names and blaming something on someone who is just memeing it , not teaching it or changing History Books... you should apologize !

Oh yes, we should all get our world views from those singular view point books full of propagandist slants where we can feel righteous elevated over the peons, infidels savages peasants serfs slaves ? Stop drinking the kool aid

I don't believe it does because if Columbus was just an explorer and he however so erroneously discovered that wow Europe/Asia is not the center of the universe that is still cool and I would not care if you honored him. I care that he sought to kill, destroy, use, steal, enslave, and sexually violate the people that had welcomed him and helped him with open hearts open arms. He deserves no such honors.

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2nd graders at my house now: we learned about Christipher Columbus. His three ship.
Did you draw a picture: yes. Of Columbus, his ship and flags.
Did you learn about the Indians? Yes, Christopher Columbus brought some back with him, and Christopher Columbus was not that nice to them.

I know! He gets on my nerves as well. He practically looks for the slightest "liberal bias" in something to make it an excuse for his trolling. He constantly calls liberalism a "cancer", and everyone bloody upvotes him! (It seems, because he hasn't gotten much upvotes here yet) He bases it on his feelings as well, instead of citing sources. He's such a talker, I should be congratulating him on his passion! =I

I'll just keep down voting. I just don't like being called names, I don't do it to others, I don't judge people by their degree, and no one here is aware of other users race.
I know this is a real issue. I worked with a director in HW s few years ago.,, one of my clients did someone they felt was insulting to indigenous people. I was basically informed, that if I didn't address the issue, I wouldn't get work again because Hollywood is loaded with indigenous people. Having to calmly play both sides of the fence, thankfully it work out. (But I've only had a 1/2 dozen opps since)

Learn yours ninja, what tribe in Europe are you from? yes, it is a fact that all humans have a tendency to group up into tribes, and identify with like groups only. Europeans did have tribes. There were consistently bloody, savage, godless wars. People fighting for the rights to exist, their right to occupy land and always people fighting for the right to dominate. People came here for a chance to escape all that. Paying all to kings and queens plus churches who controlled everything downto what youare allowed to say. Why come to escape yet still perpetuate the same on to us? We were not animals. We had our o ways, worship, our own understanding of tne universe. White, Black, Latino, Islander, Middle Eastern All same race Human! Your heritage your ancestors accomplishments do not justify atrocities. atrocities that you are not blamed for we ask no apologies for from those who descended. What I ask is impartial truth, respect for our difference, do not honor or glorify someone that took kids as young as 3 to be sex slaves is that a lot to ask