What about a PS90? Very compact, holds 50 rounds, ammo is interchangeable with the 5-7 pistol. If you go the SBR route it would be hard to find a smaller package with that amount of firepower.

I had to lol at your mentioning ammo interchangeability with the most obscure pistol ever.

[nitpick]Radom P64s aren't on the C&R list yet, as far as I know.[/nitpick] They should be though

What about the Hi-Point Carbine? Can be had in either .40S&W or 9mm, use Glock magazines, so high-capacity magazines are available and inexpensive. They aren't collapsible, but are pretty compact. Cheap as dirt, too.

I had to lol at your mentioning ammo interchangeability with the most obscure pistol ever.

[nitpick]Radom P64s aren't on the C&R list yet, as far as I know.[/nitpick] They should be though

What about the Hi-Point Carbine? Can be had in either .40S&W or 9mm, use Glock magazines, so high-capacity magazines are available and inexpensive. They aren't collapsible, but are pretty compact. Cheap as dirt, too.

I've been thinking about picking up a Hi-Point Carbine...Not too sure about them though? Anyone have one?

As far as I know the H&K416 isn't legal for civilian sales in the United States. I know there is a civilian legal version of it recently approved in Germany, but not here.

It is legal, but H&K isn't selling them to civilians. There are several already in civilian hands from before they discontinued the program, but they are rare and quite expensive so good luck getting one.

I hope you're kidding, because once you put a stock on it or a forward hand grip it becomes a SBR and all required paper work is required. Though I have been told by a knowledgeable fellow at a local shop ( I think Firehawk0220 was with me at the time) that you can have a forward hand grip attached by a class III smith or MFG??? and register it for $5-$10 and it is legal. I may be remembering wrong.

I hope you're kidding, because once you put a stock on it or a forward hand grip it becomes a SBR and all required paper work is required. Though I have been told by a knowledgeable fellow at a local shop ( I think Firehawk0220 was with me at the time) that you can have a forward hand grip attached by a class III smith or MFG??? and register it for $5-$10 and it is legal. I may be remembering wrong.

That is what the guy said, but I don't know if there is truth to it. In any case a forward grip isn't the same thing as a stock.

As for carbines there are plenty of legal choices, but all of them approved by the ATF are going to have an overall length of 26". The Beretta CX4 Storm being one of my favorites that fires a pistol caliber.

I hope you're kidding, because once you put a stock on it or a forward hand grip it becomes a SBR and all required paper work is required. Though I have been told by a knowledgeable fellow at a local shop ( I think Firehawk0220 was with me at the time) that you can have a forward hand grip attached by a class III smith or MFG??? and register it for $5-$10 and it is legal. I may be remembering wrong.

this buckmark Silhouette has a 10" barrel and its definitely aint no sbr.

IIRC it when you have a shoulder stock AND a short ass barrel you gotta sbr it. Unless its a C&R

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I hope you're kidding, because once you put a stock on it or a forward hand grip it becomes a SBR and all required paper work is required. Though I have been told by a knowledgeable fellow at a local shop ( I think Firehawk0220 was with me at the time) that you can have a forward hand grip attached by a class III smith or MFG??? and register it for $5-$10 and it is legal. I may be remembering wrong.

A forward grip makes it an all-other-weapon (AOW). If it comes from the factory as an AOW it is a $5 tax transfer. If you want to put a grip on it, it's a $200 manufacturing stamp.

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5.45 can be cheaper to shoot than 9mm, but I am unsure of the quality on the surplus stuff. "Russian" calibers in general tend to be less expensive these days, probably because of the US demand for 5.56mm and 7.62x51, which has really gone up in price the past few years.

Also, for practice, if you end up choosing something common or with aftermarket support, you might want to kick around the idea of finding an airsoft replica or a .22LR conversion kit. Depending on the weapon, it sounds like you might justify the cost of one of those in a month or two.

That is what the guy said, but I don't know if there is truth to it. In any case a forward grip isn't the same thing as a stock.

As for carbines there are plenty of legal choices, but all of them approved by the ATF are going to have an overall length of 26". The Beretta CX4 Storm being one of my favorites that fires a pistol caliber.

Good news is that the feds measure rifles with the stocks extended! Some states like shit ass cali measure overall length when folded.

None the less, don't get a felony for illegally configuring an SBR. Truthfully the keltec sub2000 is the best gun for what the OP is looking for.

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