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Since of course the view is so grand from up there on your cross, I suppose we should just assume you live in the heads of "progressives," and you aren't just pushing some kind of wing nut bait and switch where you blame the other side for some kind of persecution complex?

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

Oh and yeah, when he as a gay Pub makes a public statement that he does not support the party platform on us faggots - nor does he support the "Conservative Christian," damnation to hell for all of us - THEN - we can start talking about benefit of the doubt - but in all his moving epistle, he didn't say anything like that did he?

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Yay. Mr. random dude whoever from PA came out. Good for him. What are JQ and Chance going to be saying when this guy gets wrecked by his own party? "Oh, he was too Democrat anyway?"

This thread has an evil twin, way back JayQ was attracted to that Pub sheriff who got outed by his Latin boy-toy in AZ. We had the same thread, all the old songs were sung, and all the usual suspects all came over.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

If any self repressitard wants us to celebrate something come here with a link about how a group of gay Republican officeholders are starting a movement within the party to reform its attitude and platform on gay issues.

Till then I see nothing here but exactly what I said... a guy who lied and then went "Surprise, I'm gay!" to his conservative voters. And that's overwhelmingly unlikely to end well or to contribute ANYTHING to positive progress at all.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Originally Posted by TX-Beau

This thread has an evil twin, way back JayQ was attracted to that Pub sheriff who got outed by his Latin boy-toy in AZ. We had the same thread, all the old songs were sung, and all the usual suspects all came over.

groundhog day - not just a movie

LA Confidential on .......... what a flick - lots of testosterone flying

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

There's no reason to celebrate in this thread:

1. A gay man spends his whole life in the closet because of the homophobic Republicans around him raised him to be.
2. He marries a woman that he later has to divorce when he realizes he can't live a lie anymore.
3. He was ONLY elected as a state representative for the GOP ticket with the assumption that he's straight. Mike Fleck would have never been elected as a Republican state representative in rural Pennsylvania had he been an open homosexual.
4. He still believes in the Republican party with a platform that publicly states that he is a second-class citizen incapable of marrying a man or be protected equally under the law. So he can have a farce marriage with a woman, but can only fuck men behind closed doors.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Love how these threads go up with these pathetic (in the literal sense of the word) closetcases trying to cope with being gay in the tide of conservative America and the GOP supporters tell us this is their vision of "progress." Not any sort of fundamental change in the bigoted mindset that underlines the whole political right.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

3. He was ONLY elected as a state representative for the GOP ticket with the assumption that he's straight. Mike Fleck would have never been elected as a Republican state representative in rural Pennsylvania had he been an open homosexual.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Originally Posted by JayQueer

Rep. Mike Fleck NEVER said he is going to be a "social liberal". Just because he is gay, he must now share all of your political views??

Newsflash: there are openly gay men who believe in God, paying off the deficit, the right to bear arms (2nd amendment), oppose affirmative action, oppose abortion, and believe we should be drilling for oil in the US..

It's good that there are some level-headed posts in this thread. I was under the impression that all the replies to this thread would consist of the usual "gay herd mentality" crap.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

It's good that there are some level-headed posts in this thread. I was under the impression that all the replies to this thread would consist of the usual "gay herd mentality" crap.

Yeah except for the fact that Republicans paying down the deficit is ridiculous, no one is trying to rescind the 2nd Amendment, affirmative action has been illegal in nearly all of academia and the workplace for 10 years, we are working to reduce dependency on foreign oil, many Democrats are Christian and abortion is stare decisis and isn't going to change.

So basically out of that whole laundry list the only possible reason to vote Republican is being against abortion but it's also casting your vote for something that is never going to happen.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

When you take christianity and Faux news talking points out of the equation..I quite enjoy some of my Republican friends...and sincerely not all of the Republicans are bad guys. the problem is that the Christian Taliban and Faux news and their repugnant pundits and now the Koch Boys and their "grassroots" Tea Party have been given free reign to define the party leaving sane Republicans such as Jon Huntsman and Olympia Snowe out of the dialogue.

One local former Rep (Tom Campbell) was elected in a fairly Liberal District in Silicon Valley...his position on gay marriage...

Republicans often say that courts should apply the law, not create it. It was really quite a stretch for the California Supreme Court to say that the Constitution of California already contains a right for same-sex marriage, when the Constitution doesn't say a word about it. The truth is: It's a new issue. To those who say the Court got it wrong, I say: I agree. It's for us to decide. Now, let's make the right decision. And that right decision, in my view, is to allow same-sex marriage in California.

The problem with THIS Republican who is gay is that he is aligned with the Rick Santorums and Michelles Bachmanns...not the Tom Campbells of the Republican party who are pro choice...supportive of GLBT equality....and environmentally conscience.

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^ I believe I said it earlier in this thread, if not then I am confusing it with another thread. But yes, while many voting Republicans aren't the devil incarnate and 100% on board with every extremity of the social agenda....

it does not matter when the candidates and platforms they vote for are held hostage to the portion of the Republican voters who do believe in those things.

I don't care that you "don't agree" with the social agenda Talibangelicals if you will vote for people who either agree with that platform or will do the typical GOP thing of lockstepping with whatever the party is doing. Because at that point it makes utterly no difference how moderate you may be in your social views.

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This guy, Fleck, is a "conservative Christian," attended Liberty University, and worked as an executive for the Boy Scouts. He married a woman, knowing that he was gay (but, apparently, believing that attempting to deceive a partner with a lifetime of lies is acceptable behavior).

Fleck has spent his life in lies and deceit and self-hatred. His "coming out" now has only been made possible by the Democratic Party, which has fought to make his sexuality understood as the integral part of humanity that it is.

He's made progress, but he has a long way to go. He continues to manifest self-hatred to the extent that he continues to support a party that believes he deserves no rights.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Originally Posted by T-Rexx

This guy, Fleck, is a "conservative Christian," attended Liberty University, and worked as an executive for the Boy Scouts. He married a woman, knowing that he was gay (but, apparently, believing that attempting to deceive a partner with a lifetime of lies is acceptable behavior).

Fleck has spent his life in lies and deceit and self-hatred. His "coming out" now has only been made possible by the Democratic Party, which has fought to make his sexuality understood as the integral part of humanity that it is.

He's made progress, but he has a long way to go. He continues to manifest self-hatred to the extent that he continues to support a party that believes he deserves no rights.

If the Dems had never done anything for gay rights and if Obama had never done anything for gay rights, and Dems themselves still had to sneak out of the closet carefully and make sure not to do it BEFORE being elected, I suppose we'd be "further along with progress" ey? At least that's what I"m reading in this thread. lol.

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Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

If the Dems had never done anything for gay rights and if Obama had never done anything for gay rights, and Dems themselves still had to sneak out of the closet carefully and make sure not to do it BEFORE being elected, I suppose we'd be "further along with progress" ey? At least that's what I"m reading in this thread. lol.

I can think of four states that in November gave the falsehood to that.

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

I can think of four states that in November gave the falsehood to that.

Not all voting for gay marriage were gay.

And yet look at the near across the board strike-down of gay marriage state initiatives during Bush's election cycles.

Yes, progressive work on these issues over time has had absolutely no impact whatsoever. By far more important has been closetcases in the GOP coming out, right? The same political interests that did things like funnelled massive out of state money to do things like Prop 8 in California-- all funded by the religious fundraising arms of the political right.

There is an annoying double standard in JUB, which pisses me off. If a republican politician comes out, we're supposed to cheer him above all others, while the Dems have gotten to the point where that's just not necessary in their party.

In the same way liberal jubbers feel some irrational need to praise the crazy right members every time they say something non-crazy, as if that's not what they SHOULD be doing all the time...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

There is an annoying double standard in JUB, which pisses me off. If a republican politician comes out, we're supposed to cheer him above all others, while the Dems have gotten to the point where that's just not necessary in their party.

In the same way liberal jubbers feel some irrational need to praise the crazy right members every time they say something non-crazy, as if that's not what they SHOULD be doing all the time...

It's not restricted to coming out or gay issues at all. Look at the laundry list of recent topics.... we were supposed to be horrified at Obama using drones for surgical strikes after the Republicans started two badly implemented wars that maimed and killed thousands? We're supposed to buy that Republicans care deeply about deficit spending after they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under a Republican President?

The double standards are beyond mindblowing. If a Democratic politician ran a 10 mile marathon we would have to stop first and talk about how the obese Republican who did a 10 meter dash was actually the one who contributed more to track & field and fitness in this country.

It's not restricted to coming out or gay issues at all. Look at the laundry list of recent topics.... we were supposed to be horrified at Obama using drones for surgical strikes after the Republicans started two badly implemented wars that maimed and killed thousands? We're supposed to buy that Republicans care deeply about deficit spending after they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under a Republican President?

The double standards are beyond mindblowing. If a Democratic politician ran a 10 mile marathon we would have to stop first and talk about how the obese Republican who did a 10 meter dash was actually the one who contributed more to track & field and fitness in this country.

No, I'm not talking about THEIR double standards, those go without saying. I meant OUR irrational instinct to pay the doggie on the head every time it's not trying to bite our hand off and does a trick instead, forgetting that the doggie is supposed to be a rational human being. It seems the standards we have for them are so low that every time they actually get even a bit above, it's such a surprise that we feel compelled to congratulate them...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe