back in reality, we might see something like:
Brad Miller + Kevin Martin for Ben Wallace

Brad Miller and Kevin Martin isn't better than Raef and the seventh pick. Did you see how Miller just played this year? Didn't even notice him in the playoffs.

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I rather listen to other offers. Rather let Ben walk for nothing if nothing is out there because why EAT a crap contract from Raef just to get the 7th pick? When the following offseason you can use Ben's cap room to splurge into free agency.

You should always listen to other offers, but how great of a offer will you get for a guy that's peaked as a great rebounder and team defender...but offensive nonentity? As for splurging in free agency, who is available out there right now that's a high-impact player? And they've got to act immediately, because next year Billups will be looking to cash in at a near-max level.

Brad Miller and Kevin Martin isn't better than Raef and the seventh pick. Did you see how Miller just played this year? Didn't even notice him in the playoffs.

so a legit center who averaged 15, 8 and 5 on the year plus a nice young player who would look great coming off the pistons bench is worse than your package?

you're DREAMING.

miller had a bad playoff series vs the spurs? so what. so if he had a great series and still got knocked out, the trade would be fine?

so i guess we're judging guys based on how they perform over the couse of a single 7 game series?... nice to see the logic behind jerome james' recent contract is abundant in other places on the east coast other than Zeke's office. :rollingeyes:

There is just no way Dumars would take on Raef deal and be persuaded to overlook it because they hold the 7th pick in the draft. And then be bold "something > nothing". I'm sorry man. If you notice most teams in the NBA make deals to clear cap space. Raef makes too much. He isnt a productive beast, he could go down to an injury or be oft injured for a season. Way too many risks you should be wanting to take. How does he improve the team?

Getting the 7th pick in the draft imo is not worth eating his deal. Sorry.

Brad Miller's good offensively but his d is bad and disappearing in the playoffs is always a bad sign. And if you don't like Raef's deal paying Miller over 40 mil over the next 4 seasons shouldn't thrill you either. Kevin Martin is fine sixth man material but a guy like Marcus Williams could be a starting pg for over a decade.

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yes, usually for something equally bad in return... not Ben freakin Wallace.

So, deals where one bad contract gets moved never happen? Somehow, I don't buy that. Plus you guys act like I'm proposing a deal for Tim Duncan. This is Ben Wallace. On an offense-first team he'd actually be a misfit. As it stands, he's 32 at the start of next season and will be aiming for a five-year deal. No less than four. The guy's game is 90% athleticism...and what do players lose after they turn 34? Thinking about it, I don't want to be paying near-max to the guy when he turns into Antonio Davis. Nevermind.

There is just no way Dumars would take on Raef deal and be persuaded to overlook it because they hold the 7th pick in the draft. And then be bold "something > nothing". I'm sorry man. If you notice most teams in the NBA make deals to clear cap space. Raef makes too much. He isnt a productive beast, he could go down to an injury or be oft injured for a season. Way too many risks you should be wanting to take. How does he improve the team?

Getting the 7th pick in the draft imo is not worth eating his deal. Sorry.

And just for the record, Raef played in 80 games in 04/05, and last season made all 82.

i would love brad miller and kevin martin to come to detroit. brad miller is one of the best centers in the west and kevin martin proved alot during the playoffs and i think he can be a great team player and add some speed to the pistons.