Coples went second and Ingram third last year. They probably would be the 9th/10th in this year's class. Irvin isn't tops in this class, but probably top 3. As a speed rusher, he'd still be the top of this years' class. Certainly before Mingo who is this years' Irvin-lite.

1-Dion Jordan
2-Ziggy Ansah
3-Bjeorn Werner (people hate on him b/c of his workout numbers, but he was the most dominant pass rusher in college football last year, I think he does great in the NFL despite lacking elite athleticism of other elite pass rushers)
4-Tank Carradine
5-Barkevious Mingo (if he lives up to his upside/potential he is #1 or 2 on this list, but his problem, unlike Ansah and Jordan, isn't b/c of experience, it's because he just hasn't put it together yet despite the experience and coaching and having great talent around him.

This is a pretty good list except, I wouldn't even have Jarvis Jones on my board, certainly not as high as #3. He'll have to play for a 3-4 defense and can never be asked to drop into coverage, plus his spine problems, leaves little room for greatness.

Dion Jordan will be a sensational pass rusher once his injury heals and he can again return to weight lifting, his a year behind in his physical development because he couldn't do weights all last year.

I think Mingo will be just a step behind Jordan, he has all the requisities to be a top pass rusher, also needs to build up his strength to pro standards.

Ansah is very hard to predict, he is all boom or bust but will need at least 2 years more before he is a productive player.

Carradine and Werner will be solid pros but not really special.

7 through 12 are all decent prospects but non of them really stand out as pass rushers.

For me at least, the DE crop overall turned out to be a disappointment, initially I thought it would be a far better crop overall. There talent there but only 2 on paper that seem to have potential to be great pass rushers.

He's a good player. The character concerns which have emerged during the pre-draft process are certainly worrisome, but nonetheless he has good size and length, is an adequate athlete, and has been productive against the highest level of competition. If he fails, it will probably be for reasons unrelated to talent. I personally find it pretty difficult to evaluate him because I like what I see on tape, but obviously we can't really get to know him aside from by watching and reading interviews.

No, no he is isn't. Put aside the fact that you can't find anybody to say a good word about him as a person and he's still a mid-round talent at best. He's a very stiff player with one of the worst get offs you'll find. Can't bend the corner at all and gets stuck far too much in his pass rush and struggles to disengage. Really having a hard time seeing why some think he'll be a successful NFL pass rusher.

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Cornellius Washington. Remember the name.

He's the guy who's gonna have everyone saying 6 months from now: How did we miss this guy?

I'm a sucker for athletic specimens especially at a position like DE. I loved what I saw from him at Senior Bowl and was a big fan of his, up until yesterday. I watched a ton of video on him going back to 2010 which was supposedly his best year and he played a lot more DE in a 40. In all those games I can count the number of plays he made on one hand. In the 2010 tapes he wasn't even remotely close to being on Houston's level who he was playing across. He is a straight line athlete only who struggles to do more than one thing. He either just plays the run or just pass rushes instead of playing the run on the way to the QB. That's why he's such a non-factor as a stand-up edge player. I'm with you that having a large repertoire of moves is overrated but he is exclusively speed-to-power rusher and I've yet to see him use a counter once but part of that might just be because he looks really stiff and can't really effective make inside moves. Don't think he tested his agility times at the combine. I REALLY want to like him and I probably had higher than anybody other than you and ATL but after going back and giving him a thorough viewing, he just wasn't doing it for me anymore. I still hold out hope that he gets to play some wide-9 and thrives but I just don't know with him anymore.

I was ready to post my own pass rush rankings (led by Tank) but I have to figure out where to put Corn before I post them. Once I figure that out I shall post a list instead of just being a negative nancy, sh*tting on players other people like.