You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

stlrz d

03-11-2010, 09:46 PM

"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

Thanks for your input, teecee.

RuthlessBurgher

03-11-2010, 09:51 PM

"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

He hasn't been found guilty of anything. In fact, he hasn't even been charged with anything. What do you suggest we do right now? Cut him?

Shawn

03-11-2010, 09:52 PM

[quote="Dee Dub":1j6kr8au]"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

Thanks for your input, teecee.[/quote:1j6kr8au]

Teecee always nails it doesn't he? Truth.

:lol:

Shawn

03-11-2010, 09:55 PM

"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

He hasn't been found guilty of anything. In fact, he hasn't even been charged with anything. What do you suggest we do right now? Cut him?

Yes we should cut him for getting a hummer in the bathroom.

JAR

03-11-2010, 09:57 PM

"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

What has he done?

RuthlessBurgher

03-11-2010, 10:05 PM

[quote="Dee Dub":34ghwhhc]"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

Thanks for your input, teecee.[/quote:34ghwhhc]

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

For the sake of this legendary quote, isn't it absurdly appropriate that Billy and Teecee share the same last name? :lol:

NorthCoast

03-11-2010, 10:35 PM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

Chadman

03-12-2010, 12:55 AM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

papillon

03-12-2010, 01:02 AM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

Kobe Bryant restored his image; Ben will be fine if the charges are dropped or charges are filed and he's found innocent. If he's found guilty well, then his reputation will be right where it belongs.

Pappy

Mister Pittsburgh

03-12-2010, 09:22 AM

"He's a great player, but no one is above the team here," a team source said. "That's the Steelers' way. Anything like this happens again, and it's over here. I've never seen the Rooneys this upset".

You mean, they haven't seen and heard enough already?? This is getting scarier by the second...... I mean, what else does this guy need to do? Shoot the Pope?? Rooney's, like it sadly seems to continue to be with many steelers homers, remain in denial......

He hasn't been found guilty of anything. In fact, he hasn't even been charged with anything. What do you suggest we do right now? Cut him?

Trade him for Vick :lol:

Mister Pittsburgh

03-12-2010, 09:24 AM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

Kobe Bryant restored his image; Ben will be fine if the charges are dropped or charges are filed and he's found innocent. If he's found guilty well, then his reputation will be right where it belongs.

Pappy

I just hope, but feel I will be disappointed, that this doesn't carry over into camp and the season. Regardless of his guilt or innocense, he is guilty of casting a shadow over the TEAM.

JAR

03-12-2010, 10:28 AM

Of course they are upset. Even is Ben is not guilty of anything, have you seen the news lately? Every single cable channel, every single second, it's Ben, Ben, Ben. Like I said, even if he's not guilty, the media is killing Ben and the Steelers for possibly no reason at all.

SteelAbility

03-12-2010, 11:17 AM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

Even if he's not convicted it still remains he had bad judgment. Assuming he was innocent in the McNulty case (which I do believe) and even in this one (I'm not convinced either way), he had a civil case pending. If he couldn't see that conditions were ripe for another accusation to fly, the two accusations mutually strengthening each other, and a big mess being created, then he had bad judgment.

It's more than that. It's also bringing the future of the Steelers into potential disarray.

aggiebones

03-12-2010, 12:42 PM

Its stupid to talk about cutting him now since he's not guilty in our courts of anything. Its a waste of time to get overly upset either at this point. If he's guilty, we cut him and move on.
Nothing we can do but ride this out a bit. We can end his contract early and recoop money if he's guilty because I know the Rooneys have a clause in his contract. It would be better to just ride out his contract for 3 more years, then release him. He's not going to be a long career kinda guy anyway. We all know that. Every team has skeletons out for display. ALL 32. This will be just one of ours. No fault to the Steelers or their fans. We go at lengths to avoid bad guys, but when you have one, you just can't dump the money invested. We'll roll with this punch, like the others would.

Here's my take of the situation and how we WILL proceed.

Ben rides this case out and it will take a full year or will be dropped in time for next season.
He will play for us next season. Then depending on the outcome, we either ride out this contract or cut ties and recoop money. Roll with the punches. The Steelers are an organization of large testosterone filled men. There will be problems. Though it may feel like it, this is not our church priest/minister. If guilty, he's gone.

papillon

03-12-2010, 01:00 PM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

Kobe Bryant restored his image; Ben will be fine if the charges are dropped or charges are filed and he's found innocent. If he's found guilty well, then his reputation will be right where it belongs.

Pappy

I just hope, but feel I will be disappointed, that this doesn't carry over into camp and the season. Regardless of his guilt or innocense, he is guilty of casting a shadow over the TEAM.

Yup, I've been saying that all along that he has certainly put the team in a precarious position again during the off season. He will probably have an outstanding civil case in Nevada and either an out of court settlement or a criminal case in Georgia as the team heads into training camp. I can't see either of these being cleared up by the time camp rolls around, unless, evidence and/or facts are found to discredit the woman.

Pappy

flippy

03-13-2010, 04:34 AM

Ben's reputation is tied to SuperBowls. This will motivate him even more to win...hopefully.

TallyStiller

03-17-2010, 08:15 PM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

Kobe Bryant restored his image; Ben will be fine if the charges are dropped or charges are filed and he's found innocent. If he's found guilty well, then his reputation will be right where it belongs.

Pappy

Kobe Bryant restored his reputation by NEVER AGAIN drawing significant negative attention to himself and behaving as a model citizen for years... Ben's history leads one to doubt very seriously whether he's capable of doing that. Whether or not he's convicted, if nearly dying in a motorcycleaccident and being slappedwith a sex assault lawsuit wasn't enough to scare him straight, I don't think this will either, and we'll be left wondering what asinine, sleazy, or possibly criminal thing our horse's azz of a quarterback is going to do next. I've had enough.

Shawn

03-17-2010, 08:25 PM

I think even the most devote Ben fan has to be fed up. I know I am. There comes a time where he either needs to grow up...or screw with another team's offseason. If he does make it back to the team this season...I guarantee he won't be in the BnG if he does this again.

TallyStiller

03-17-2010, 08:29 PM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

TallyStiller disagrees with Chadman :)

Ben's reputation, conviction or no, deserves what it will receive as much as it deserved to be built up over his ability to win football games. He'll never be convicted given the circumstances surrounding his case... not in a million years, but it's not about that. Rape isn't a sex crime, it's about power. The power relationship between a hulking, multi - millionaire athlete and a 20 year old college sophomore is so skewed that when he takes her into a womens' bathroom at a club, even if she went in willingly, and treats her like a porn star, she comes out feeling dirty and used. Even if what happened doesn't meet the legal definition of rape, it surely does in her mind... and if the accusation and public scorn that comes with it takes away some of the reputation, fame, and money of the person who abused that power, to me it's all good.

Will Ben have the chance to restore some of that reputation? Absolutely. Regrettably, as with Tiger Woods, much of it will come back if he wins games... but more will return if he wins games as a humbled, changed person. Frankly, if we win another Super Bowl and he keeps running around doing crap like this, I'll feel about like ***s fans must have felt when they found out that their Super Bowls were hopelessly tainted.

feltdizz

03-18-2010, 12:57 AM

well put Tally

Shawn

03-18-2010, 03:50 AM

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

TallyStiller disagrees with Chadman :)

Ben's reputation, conviction or no, deserves what it will receive as much as it deserved to be built up over his ability to win football games. He'll never be convicted given the circumstances surrounding his case... not in a million years, but it's not about that. Rape isn't a sex crime, it's about power. The power relationship between a hulking, multi - millionaire athlete and a 20 year old college sophomore is so skewed that when he takes her into a womens' bathroom at a club, even if she went in willingly, and treats her like a porn star, she comes out feeling dirty and used. Even if what happened doesn't meet the legal definition of rape, it surely does in her mind... and if the accusation and public scorn that comes with it takes away some of the reputation, fame, and money of the person who abused that power, to me it's all good.

Will Ben have the chance to restore some of that reputation? Absolutely. Regrettably, as with Tiger Woods, much of it will come back if he wins games... but more will return if he wins games as a humbled, changed person. Frankly, if we win another Super Bowl and he keeps running around doing crap like this, I'll feel about like ***s fans must have felt when they found out that their Super Bowls were hopelessly tainted.