Please refrain from accusing people of IP gathering or other cheating/hacking claims. All posts on this subject have been deleted and any new posts will also be removed along with the possibility of a warning.

Please refrain from accusing people of IP gathering or other cheating/hacking claims. All posts on this subject have been deleted and any new posts will also be removed along with the possibility of a warning.

Thank you.

Ushra'khan , you could always post your concern's over at battleDB. We wont mod you down! :)EVE PIRATE

Posted - 2009.06.15 13:06:00 -
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The only thing this site needs is content. I could spend hours reading through battle reports from all over eve. The fact is thats what eve is missing right now, and broadcasting that so everyone who isnt in your alliance knows whats going on is a great idea.

To the skeptics who dont trust the mods, ive been flying with Ander for a little over 2 years, and the guy is just about as trustworthy as you get. I wasnt in PL when all the shady stuff happened, and i dont know anything about it. The fact is people are using it to try and troll a thread which should be about how awesome this site is.

Originally by:Mr RiveThe only thing this site needs is content. I could spend hours reading through battle reports from all over eve. The fact is thats what eve is missing right now, and broadcasting that so everyone who isnt in your alliance knows whats going on is a great idea.

To the skeptics who dont trust the mods, ive been flying with Ander for a little over 2 years, and the guy is just about as trustworthy as you get. I wasnt in PL when all the shady stuff happened, and i dont know anything about it. The fact is people are using it to try and troll a thread which should be about how awesome this site is.

It's an understandable concern.The 'person' most people are worried still plays the game(obviously with a different character).And that's the big problem because people know he's still in game and his connections with PL they draw the conclusion (rightly or wrongly) that he has/could have access to this data.

Now I'm not saying that is what is happening here , just pointing out why some people might be worried.And the 1 billion security and saying you'll try your best to make sure it's safe isn't really going to cut it for some people.But in saying that the site looks better than just ok it looks like it could be a great site to read/post in and I hope it's a big success and I wish Ander and co all the best with it

Originally by:Ellatan DeruimteEdited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 15/06/2009 01:25:14You already use CAOD to chest beat, effectively turning it into a dump. You have moderators on scrapheap, you have your village uninformed idiots on kugu, what is the purpose of this new website? Another propaganda spinning machine for deluded and uninformed? Another website without a secure code, hoping that some naive member of your enemies always uses the same password? I'd rather read a little biased, but well written Shadoo reports on scrapheap, thank you. So enjoy your company with Goons and fill that website with filth and dirt. We do not belong with you, we do not talk like you and we do not think like you, Something awful is that way.

Posted - 2009.06.15 23:15:00 -
[78]Edited by: Soggybottom on 15/06/2009 23:15:11The best thing about this site is the lack of stress I have to put on my index finger scrolling past Usharaskahans posts.

Originally by:Jebidus SkariSo how does viper feel about this? seeing SHD was the main place for battle reports - any internal fighting

I take it you mean SHC.

I dont see how it makes any difference. We now have 3 places to gain information in 3 different forms:

1) CAOD, a ****hole, but a popular ****hole.

2) GBBS (SHC), heavly moderated discussion between approved parties. Propaganga is not allowed, with the focus being on well written unbiased discussion.

3) the new site, not heavly moderated like SHC, and allows propaganga. If it is able to keep up with what they state, then it doesnt really detract from either CAOD or SHC, it simply provides a different form in which your able to gain information. Already we have people cross-linking stuff in CAOD to SHC or SHC to CAOD when that information is actually useful, I dont see why that cant happen with this pretty cool new site, and discussion simply continues in the forms that each different site allows.

Either way, you have 3 different websites putting across information, and managing discussion of that information in 3 different ways. This can only be a good thing. The only way I can see it failing is if they fail to do the minimium moderating they state they want, and it turns into a ****hole like CAOD. Otherwise, I look forward to reading new reports on BattleDB.com, reading other opinions and some enlightened discussion of the battle, the war in general, and the politics surrounding the war on SHC, and flaming the living crap out of everyone one on CAOD :P

Originally by:Major StormerThe only way I can see it failing is if they fail to do the minimium moderating they state they want, and it turns into a ****hole like CAOD.

the main problem with caod less with SHC is that it cannot ever come close to an end of a discussion or debate due to moderation issues. Not saying our site will create a final answer for a debate, but it allows a debate to play out enough for people to make their own decision about who is right and who is wrong.

It allows all voices, even the high sec miner to chime in. Where most high sec non affiliated people would get modded out of a discussion. Not to say they wont get called pubie for a few posts they prob will.

Freedom of speech allows for more freedom of thought with the ability to show your perspective completely right or wrong. Some people may find themselves changing thought patterns about who is right, wrong, or just plain dumb.

It really will show people the full message from each group. Then everyone involved will see how the propaganda and media campaigns work when not neutered. Who knows it may change the direction and message a lot of groups have been spreading for years and years. Hopefully throwing the political landscape a curve ball and make people actually think about why they lean one way or another.

Posted - 2009.06.16 04:10:00 -
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No the main problem with CAOD is the **** posting.The threads that start off with good intention always seem to end up down the same road where it turns into the usual derailing,personal attacks,general **** posting etc,etc

Freedom of speech only works when it is used resposibily and you have a respect for it otherwise it is just abused , as is very evident in CAOD a lot of people here show neither responsibility nor respect.Which tbh isn't a surprise since this is just forums for a game and not rl and trying to apply rl parameters to a gaming forum is very hard to do.

I think most people really hopes the site gets off to a running start and has the chance to grow and get better and that it doesn't descend into the cesspit CAOD has turned into.

Originally by:Jebidus SkariSo how does viper feel about this? seeing SHD was the main place for battle reports - any internal fighting

I take it you mean SHC.

I dont see how it makes any difference. We now have 3 places to gain information in 3 different forms:

I haven't been involved with SHC in any "official" or "moderation" capacity since the site admin thought a joke about an ex-relation of his went too far. GBBS, since, has been moderated by two people in conjunction with the global site moderators who do their best to stay out of it. GBBS has gone downhill in the last six months (well before Trigger and I were evicted) and the entire thing should probably be shut down for a variety of reasons.

I'm not associated with battledb.com in any way, haven't even posted a battle report. I can say that it's a perfectly safe place to post/read. SHC is by far less secure than what Ander's running and can be used by pretty much anyone to supply the same information that individuals were talking about above.

Originally by:Major Stormer The only way I can see it failing is if they fail to do the minimium moderating they state they want, and it turns into a ****hole like CAOD.

It allows all voices, even the high sec miner to chime in. Where most high sec non affiliated people would get modded out of a discussion. Not to say they wont get called pubie for a few posts they prob will.

You'd be bettered served saying no to the Usharaskans because they're not even a real alliance and nobody cares about their thoughts on 0.0

What can be posted?Pretty much any event in eve, be it leaked operation timers from hostile alliances or your own.Even eve related events such as fanfest info has been posted.

Hasn't this been done before?Most EVE related sites dont have this functionality. And certainly not allowing all users to post.But if you've ever been on PL forums (either as a spy or a member) you will notice this is one of our most beloved features.

Originally by:Jebidus SkariSo how does viper feel about this? seeing SHD was the main place for battle reports - any internal fighting

I take it you mean SHC.

I dont see how it makes any difference. We now have 3 places to gain information in 3 different forms:

1) CAOD, a ****hole, but a popular ****hole.

2) GBBS (SHC), heavly moderated discussion between approved parties. Propaganga is not allowed, with the focus being on well written unbiased discussion.

3) the new site, not heavly moderated like SHC, and allows propaganga. If it is able to keep up with what they state, then it doesnt really detract from either CAOD or SHC, it simply provides a different form in which your able to gain information. Already we have people cross-linking stuff in CAOD to SHC or SHC to CAOD when that information is actually useful, I dont see why that cant happen with this pretty cool new site, and discussion simply continues in the forms that each different site allows.

Either way, you have 3 different websites putting across information, and managing discussion of that information in 3 different ways. This can only be a good thing. The only way I can see it failing is if they fail to do the minimium moderating they state they want, and it turns into a ****hole like CAOD. Otherwise, I look forward to reading new reports on BattleDB.com, reading other opinions and some enlightened discussion of the battle, the war in general, and the politics surrounding the war on SHC, and flaming the living crap out of everyone one on CAOD :P

Sorry yes SHC..fair comment. COAD really is a bottomless pit of [email protected], sadly again due to the moderation, crazy because youd think CCP would want a really cool battle report area, especially on the eve side (isnt like they cant employ somebody either) TBH the whole forums are a mess not just COAD, General Discussion is just terrible, never seen so many haters and well god awful people, makes me want to stop playing eve sometimes..(and this was supposed to be a mature game).

Anyway on topic, the site looks nice, really looking forward to some real battle reports etc, and I really do hope the mods look after it. SHC well yes it hasnt been great sometimes and it is heavily moderated which isnt a good thing, but at least it has some and it does have some decent reports, although it can be very biased..

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