"Another friend has been studding krotty for 5-6 years and is wanting to be an instructor. They do no sparring of any type, because, of course, its to dangerous. His reasons for taking it are discipline, focus, and self defense. "

I agree. I think art is a perfect way to describe a lot of them because they obviously aren't anything else. Flashy, hard to learn and to perfect. That's about it.

11/13/2006 8:03pm,

ViciousFlamingo

If it's not focused on application in fighting, it's not a martial art. You don't have to try to be the badass of all badasses to want to learn effective fighting skills.

I give plenty of respect to people who recognize that their art needs work or fixing and are trying to fix it a la Wing Chun Fight Club, it's just not for me. (Why try fixing what's broke when there're other things that work just fine?) But I still give them respect.

People who do something like the slow kind of tai chi or capoeira or wushu solely for relaxation and fitness, that's cool too, just why bother calling it a martial art?

I mostly don't understand people who do a martial art for some kind of pseudo-historical or cultural experience. Hell, if I wanted to have a cranky old Asian guy yell at me about RACKING DISCIPRIN for a few hours, I'd go call my dad. I'm sure there are people who could explain the whole cultural thing, but I'd like to hear it.

11/13/2006 9:12pm,

patfromlogan

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateJon

I do want to find out what it means, to you, the viewers at home.

Seen a few threads where people got **** for admitting to preferring to train or continue to train in... shall we say... "styles and training methods that are sub-optimal for unarmed combat". Not bullshidoka, but people that honestly admit their weaknesses and limitations, but prefer WC or Hapkido to boxing, BJJ, MT or judo.

How do you feel about these people and their choices?

The Poll: I am OK with people that put more into the "art" than into the "martial"?

implies that there is a degree of "art" and a degree of "martial" and that one has more of one part. 52%?

Or is this a school that has an hour and a half of warmups, striking air, kata, self defense, hitting pads, and shortly before the ending set of pushups and crunches, spends a big ten minutes sparring? That describes the typical Kyokushin dojo.

11/13/2006 10:48pm,

Anna Kovacs

Most of those assholes join a martial art to learn how to fight and then their buttsucking babyassed sensei pumps them full of peace and harmony bullshit till they really believe that they joined a martiak art for "cultural reasons" in the first place.

11/13/2006 11:35pm,

patfromlogan

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaTrocity

Most of those assholes join a martial art to learn how to fight and then their buttsucking babyassed sensei pumps them full of peace and harmony bullshit till they really believe that they joined a martiak art for "cultural reasons" in the first place.

bla bla bla keep preaching to the choir.

If I keep waiting and come back manana perhaps someone will actually look at the issues here rather than dry humping the obvious.