First of all, when people engage in sex with *whatever* merely for instant gratification, sex becomes no more unique than taking a dump every day. Sex is what bonds a man and a woman. It makes their union special and unique. When people have sex with anything that walks, it takes away from the beauty of that act, and it also makes it harder to form a lasting relationship with one partner. That leads to the break down of the family, which is harmful to future generations.

And I'll give a damn what the fundies say about that when they stop getting caught soliciting sex in bathroom stalls. Or when the conservative hero (Regan) isn't well known for pleasuring an 18 year old staffer during his campaign, or when Newt Gingrich (ugggh) doesn't say he only does oral sex outside of marriage because that doesn't count. Or when the most overly religious man I know doesn't randomly talk about this great porn he saw last night.

Fundies talking about morality and sex is like thieves talking about security.

You love to make Pronouncements from On High about how other people should live their lives - very rarely do you follow them yourselves.

So, what you are saying is that since Christians are also susceptible to sin, that means God doesn't exist and his word is bogus.

No one is immune to temptation...my goodness, if I started writing about all the mistakes I've made, it would fill a book. We're tempted, we screw up, this is true, and it is far worse when a Christian does so because they are setting a horrific example of what Christianity encompasses.

I'm saying its the height of hyprocracy to make grand pronouncements about morality to everyone else while you are quite often worse than those you preach at.

This argument is a fine example.

We must all be nice to each other, except when its politically convenient to smear a 17 year old with sexual rumors - you'll defend doing that to the end!

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