I think we're being turned against one another.

The evidence is right here on ATS...every day there's a new thread about guns, and if you ask me it's mostly UK and US patrons bickering about
who's right and who isn't.

We're allowing this to happen, happily and blindly being led into debates that end in name calling and animosity, and I think it's being engineered
and pushed by certain individuals who want to see us divided, and I wonder why.

I've no intention of fighting humanity, I'm not british I'm a human being. The most important thing is tolerance.

On the UK side we've mostly an image of crazy redneck types armed to the teeth, yee-hawr-ing and shooting the place up, banging on about
consitutional rights. And on the other side we've a handful of US citizens who believe all brits are posh speaking, bowler hat wearing polite cross
dresses...yeah, I dress exactly like the bradford and bingley guys, bowler hat and cane.

Take about brainwashed, we're both wrong, and chucking these prejudices around just shows how divided we are.

A while ago I started a thread and stated that perhaps a one world government wouldn't be such a bad idea, I was shot down in flames because people
assumed what I meant was we should roll over and let the current leaders rule the world, but not once did I say that. For us, as a species, to move
forward and progress we need to all be singing from the same hymn sheet, or remain divided...we can't have both.

For the people of this world to win we must be united under a common rule of some kind, not tyrannical, but we need to come together in some way, how
can we unite the world and all of humanity and build a better world for future generations even if we were to revolt and win? We'd only continue
fighting among ourselves because we're brainwashed and intolerant.

Giving into and accepting stupid prejudices is the product of mind manipulation, we need to let that crap go or we might aswell just give up.

There's a lot of smart people in the ATS community, I'm amazed at some of the things i've read and learned on here over the years...instead of
arguing and fighting over who's right, who's country is better, shouldn't we start getting our heads together, put the nonsense aside and start
talking about what we can do as a community that's actually productive?

It's a waste, it's a damn shame...we're all here to learn and understand yet we can't even dismiss the idiotic prejudices we harbour about one
another.

I don't want to fight americans, or any nation of people, I want us to stand together and take our planet back, and when we finally get up off our
lazy arses and do that, I want us to learn from history and not repeat it, but I just don't see it happening.

I have faith in humanity, I have faith that not everyone is corruptable, there are genuinely good people out there and even here on ATS, but
blindsided abd duped into bickering and fighting when we should be coming together and working towards trying to change things.

Sorry to rant, was never intended as such...I just want people to realise that we are pandering to someone's agenda with all this in-fighting, it's
not good for us. We need to unite against the common enemy we discuss on daily basis in these very forums.

I don't know any ATS'ers that well, never u2u'd anyone or attempted to befriend anyone or get close to them, but I trust some ATS patrons more so
than I do the leaders of this nation. There are clever, rational people here, which is what I was touching on when I wrote the thread I mentioned
earlier...I see lot's of clever people here who I'd sooner trust than any of the politicians or bankers, yet there's lottle or no focus and it's a
sad waste...all I got was derided and called a shill - when nothing could be further from the truth. As a community, isn't it time we started to
think and talk about what we do want for the future of this earth, instead of fixating on what we don't want?

I apologise if I was rude to anyone, recently...in fact I was, without a doubt, and felt ashamed afterwards and done some soul searching. I don't
want to argue with people on ATS because I look to some of them to help me open my eyes on various issues, I've learned so much here and to some
extent actually care about this community, I suppose most of us do. My thoughts and opinions are never set in stone. I'm happy to be proved wrong on
any subject and my opinions are subject to change, I'm not the same man I was all those years ago before I first came to ATS looking to expand my
mind and learn more about the world.

I hate how it's all changed in such a short space of time, sure, there was always trolling and arguing but it's a lot worse now than ever. I don't
want to be continually drawn into these debates because I feel the need to defend the people of my nation, we're not all bad, neither are the
americans, the polish, the french et al, we're brothers and sisters and need to learn to tolerate our differences or we're screwed.

Very open and honest and I do agree 100%. I had been sensing there is an underlying agenda somewhere that goes deeper than gun control. Sure
there is the obvious and there are people for it and people against it, but it is subsequently dividing people and we're all divided to a certain
degree, with different views and opinions and the various ways we express these, but this is literally making enemies of friends and family. Anyway to
me personally it is not worth it (and I know someone will read much more into that and attack me) but I have my personal views as does everyone else
and I'd rather give up everything I own including "rights" than to lose some of the people that mean more to me than material things. That is my
personality and always has been...always will be. I look at it more this way...I'm FOR humanity and if that translates against guns or siding with
government, then oh well. I'd much rather have peace as much as possible in my life than bicker and get my blood pumping and die of a heart attack
too early, then say....well geeeeee was that worth it?

What a stupid reply! I intend to bicker with you now, come on, put up your dukes (I once said that in context to Mohandas Gandhi's grandson, walked
up and said "Put up your dukes, Gandhi"), well I never, the idiocy of it all, let's take it outside, yeah, right now, the alley mister /removes
coat/.

Consider adding...."and it's working REALLY GOOD" to the title. (jk, title is fine)

It's even deeper than country vs. country, they're turning us against each other here (US) as well. I haven't seen 2 consecutive minutes of news,
for over a month now, that didn't have something about gun control, 2A, school shootings, etc. and always with the "we have to do this for the
children" theme playing along.

Remember Bush and his "You're either with us or against us!" ultimatum to the countries of the world just prior to launching us into perpetual war
vs Islam?

It's like that with the whole gun control thing right now, and the underlying message is "You either hate guns or you're a baby killer"...with us
or against us. There appears to be no middle ground.

The gas pedal is pushed all the way to the floor right now, the cliff must be near. God help us all!

What a stupid reply! I intend to bicker with you now, come on, put up your dukes (I once said that in context to Mohandas Gandhi's grandson, walked
up and said "Put up your dukes, Gandhi"), well I never, the idiocy of it all, let's take it outside, yeah, right now, the alley mister /removes
coat/.

(while Aleister is taking off coat beezzer punches him n the nose and runs)

True, it's a well known strategy, I think we've an advantage now though. The internet is an amazing tool and we can and are using it to our benefit,
it's great that we can connect with and share ideas etc with people all around the world.

We can work together to ensure the antiquated divide and conquer technique is no longer effective, in order to do that we must be tolerant. We can
start now by bonding rather than bickering and we win this round with pride.

I refuse to argue any more, I refuse to pander and insult my fellow man, ten years ago I would have lost it to the point I'd probably have been
banned from ATS because I couldn't control my emotions, I don't want to be that guy any more. I almost reverted back to that a few weeks ago, I
genuinely left ATS feeling upset, but mostly just ashamed that I let my emotions and prejudices determine my behaviour and my reactions.

I'm such a tool at times, we're all brainwashed to an extent, it doesn't make us bad people, but recognising it and working towards changing it is
the way forward.

Humans ruined it for themselves when they settled in one place and started farming. Eventually they had to defend themselves against other farming
communities. That led to armies, armies led to control of said armies and control of the people. We have boxed ourselves in. The population of earth
is too high to abolish control by government. If we were to start over we would get a similar result.

I think one of the people who is right in there doing a damn good job of pitting us against one another is that Piers Morgan...he's doing a
reasonably good job in spite of the fact that's he's neither well liked nor respected, yet he's there...sticking his oar in.

He should be sent home, he should be here in the UK speaking out against knife crime and the myriad of other social and economic issues that are
damaging his native land.

He's an arrogant so-and-so and not a good representative for the british people.

I know what you mean, debate is healthy...hell even conflict to some extent can be healthy as long as it's resolved peacefully in the end.

I read the "why brits don't need guns" thread, and it descended into an argument about tea and biscuits...which is kinda funny I suppose but not
healthy.

These are playground style arguments that serve only to drive the wedge further between us. As a young man I always considered the americans to be
allies and brothers of ours, it pains me to see americans run down our people and so see our people run down our american cousins. There's a lot of
animosity in it.

Even here in the UK, I'm scottish, if you say something an englishman doesn't like you're a kilt wearing, haggis eating, bagpipe playing idiot,
hell - we can even further divide scotland into factions - edinburgh people are mean with money...glasgow folks like to cut one another on the face,
etc...it's all a bit crazy.

I've more issues with the natives of my country than the natives from any other country...most wrongs I've had done by me were the result of a
native being a tool.

The first thing that would help is to stop watching the daily divide and conquor indoctrination of the controlled press, with their so called 'left vs
right, conservative vs liberal," labels and move past that to really looking at issues in their own light. The world needs and is ready for a New
Vision and it can't be the one based on centuries old false flag directed history. But what can replace that?

While I disagree with any thought of a one world government I do see the divide and conquer strategy going on every day. We don't have to share
one government to share a common cause, all we have to do is agree on what that cause is- a difficult thing to do when the MSM is doing their best to
drill all of our differences into our heads every day.

As far as stereotyping others I find the thought amusing. I have several friends from the UK living and working full time in my area (Texas) and they
have more firearms than I do (and wear cowboy hats- which I do not!). I think that stereotyping folks by where they come from is funny, because those
who do so would be outraged if someone stereotyped them. People need to remember that we are all humans, and none of us are perfect. Differences are
what makes life interesting.

Thank you OP, for a heartfelt and sincere statement. That's twice in the last 24 hours I've seen a glimmer of hope for our species.

Yes, the governments and administrators of our world are using divide and conquer tactics. And yes, they work very well, in a small group, and on the
masses. But it's so much more than that. It's masked in layer upon layer masterfully. Groupthink, consensus reality, "newspeak", propaganda, and
the dialectic, are all being used in concert to take this world in a direction the commoner doesn't want to go, but we have been deceived into giving
our consent and consensus anyway.

When I started the afore-mentioned thread about a one world government I suppose that's pretty much the crux of what I was tryin to say, I don't
think I worded it very well and it all went a bit pete tong.

Like I said earlier, I'd rather hear what you guys invisage a better world to be than hear it from some politician with an agenda. The message I got
from most people in that thread was absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that's that.

Speaking for myself, I don't think absolute power would corrupt me, I don't think I'm a selfish or greedy person, I don't think all people are
like that.

To me that thread left me feeling even more dejected, it was as if people had resigned to the notion that it is what it is and can't possibly ever be
any better...as if humanity has truly lost faith in itself, which is an awful thought.

I refuse to believe that nobody is incorruptible, if I'm proved wrong about that I think I'd curl up into a ball and die of despair, I am finding it
increasingly difficult to continue in this currentl situation.

I want more freedom, I want to be able to learn more, I'm a creative person but I've no energy...my life consists of working and sleeping...I feel
as though I'm a prisoner, and the worst thing is that in the grand scheme of it all I'm probably far better off than most.

My entire life is consumed with it, it's not a life...I'm part of a machine and it's destroying my mind, it really is that bad and I don't know
what to do any more.

S&F Op. I don't think you need to apologize for ranting. You articulately stated a trend that is certainly occurring to the detriment of humanity.
I have similar thoughts about this lately. Everything is presented as black and white. I live in Wisconsin, and the Dem v. Rep, Union v. Rep.,
governor recall, etc. completely divided my friends before my eyes. Many of them will not speak to each other anymore. Lifelong friends giving up.
Sad, really.

I am personally making an effort to not get sucked into this "black and white" thinking, and have been for some time. I like the ATS community
because the people here cover all spectrums and think in many different ways. God bless our individualism. It should be respected even if we don't
agree.

Yes, Divide and Conquer is correct. Keep the plebs dumbed down and suppressed so they never know that together they have ALL the power to make change.
This way the elite rule the slaves and maintain that power over them.

None of it will change until enough numbers of plebs gather together to force the necessary changes. It probably won't happen anytime soon because we
are all too busy bickering about opinions and personal senses of superiority.

People seem to be in survival mode now though, hunkering down and preparing to try and ride out the storm, and it's like a band of insane drunken
pirates has taken over the ship, it makes it hard to think about how to move forward at the same time. It really feels like America is under attack.
To retain any sanity, I see people withdrawing as much as possible from the insanity of The Machine, and realizing they are only as 'free' as they
are not dependent on it for survival.

Yes, I agree with your train of thought. The world is a small place, and it is inevitable that some common law will come into play if we want to keep
the earth in a habitable state for future generations.

Some common laws that would be good are keeping business out of politics. This may be an almost impossible undertaking, but business is about making
money. Governments should be about keeping peaceful relations among the constituents. In a sense one of the most important roles of government should
be about regulating business so that it is not a detriment to nature or future generations of people. In that sense, the governments of the world have
become impotent.

As a species we need to take a good look at how detrimental some of our creature comforts are to the environment, and look to the government for clear
and wise decisions about these kinds of matters, on a global scale.

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