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That said, "famous people" is still too narrow, IMO. A lot of the politicians who will probably be implicated are people you have never heard of. I sure didnt know who the fuck Ron Moore was before the allegations.

Celebrity Sexual Assault Claims

Cap'n Crunch finally joins the ranks. For those that don't know, this guy is kind of a hacker legend. He's the guy who figured out how to phone phreak with a whistle in a Captain Crunch cereal box. Without him, there probably wouldn't be an Apple today.

There has been rumors going around about this for 2 decades now. I met him several times and the guy is... eccentric. But I never had anything that went beyond the rumors. The hacker scene is filled with extreme eccentrics and immensely deviant behavior, so shit like this would also sort of get lost in the mix.

Anyway, there are now some documented stories and they are all weird as fuck. Like him wanting Steve Jobs to sit on his back. Or him having some kid carry furniture around the room, and then give Crunch a piggyback ride while Crunch's dick is hard. It's like some demented Yoda scene. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollie...conferences-to

That said, "famous people" is still too narrow, IMO. A lot of the politicians who will probably be implicated are people you have never heard of. I sure didnt know who the fuck Ron Moore was before the allegations.

edit: ROY Moore. Not fucking RDM. god

If they're in the headlines of national media for sexual misconduct, they're famous.

Playing Maura Pfefferman on Transparent has been one of the greatest privileges and creative experiences of my life. What has become clear over the past weeks, however, is that this is no longer the job I signed up for four years ago. I’ve already made clear my deep regret if any action of mine was ever misinterpreted by anyone as being aggressive, but the idea that I would deliberately harass anyone is simply and utterly untrue. Given the politicized atmosphere that seems to have afflicted our set, I don’t see how I can return to Transparent.

Gene Simmons, surprise surprise, tried to get someone to grab his penis. He also allegedly claimed that he had done that to other women before. What he allegedly said to the second woman does not surprise me at all. Simmons is a Trump supporter, so Fox News banning him pretty much solidifies this as legit.

Gene Simmons, surprise surprise, tried to get someone to grab his penis. He also allegedly claimed that he had done that to other women before. What he allegedly said to the second woman does not surprise me at all. Simmons is a Trump supporter, so Fox News banning him pretty much solidifies this as legit.

I work with a lot of people who have done KISS tours through the decades. I could fill an entire separate thread on the things I've heard about him from people who have worked either for him directly or had encounters with him while working with the band. It makes me sad that people like that EVER achieve success in the first place while decent people live in abject poverty. It really is depressing beyond words to me.

I was a GIANT Kiss fan in the 70s, and this is NO surprise at all. If you look up "misogynist dick" in the dictionary, Gene's picture is in there.

I watched "Family Jewels" and even his long-suffering GF (now wife, I guess) Shannon Tweed LEFT him for his shit, and his KIDS were really pissed at him. He is NOTORIOUS for VOLUMES of photos of his female conquests, he has ZERO respect for women.

Wow, I'm totally surprised..... LMAO..... who didn't see this coming? Of course I knew all of his shenanigans with women was going to finally catch up with him. He is the poster-child of misogyny. Shit, I'd bet you if someone did a sex tape with his daughter. He'd find a way to make money off of that. He is an immoral piece of shit.

That said, "famous people" is still too narrow, IMO. A lot of the politicians who will probably be implicated are people you have never heard of. I sure didnt know who the fuck Ron Moore was before the allegations.

edit: ROY Moore. Not fucking RDM. god

I still think the title needs to include “sexual harassment,” although I admit it’s legal nitpicking (but still an important legal distinction).

Bill Clinton should have resigned, too, after he was convicted of perjury (let alone the multiple accusations of sexual harassment and sexual assaults and affairs all the way back to Gennifer Flowers during the ‘92 campaign).

The idea that men can't control themselves is why lots of Islam and Orthodox Judaism and Christianity require women to cover themselves, dress modestly, cover their hair, etc., to not "tempt" men. So what's that saying about men? Rhetorically, of course. I'd like to think that men are capable of more than that, aren't just a bunch of stupid walking dangerous impulsive hormones and the women (or girls and boys) gotta hide.

This is the very root of rape culture. That men cannot control themselves so rapes happen. Not sure why but I feel compelled to point that out.

^The thing about that is that I've sometimes seen people argue that this shit is "natural," and that assertion usually comes packaged with the logical fallacy that everything which is supposedly "natural" is automatically moral or at the very least something that needs to accepted as an unchanging fact of life.

If there's one thing that concerns me about the whole me too movement and all this post Weinstein stuff, it's that this will inadvertently flip things back to being "just how things are." I mean, if it's like 70% of men do this shit (not just rape, but stuff like Franken), then I almost wonder if it'll become a strength in numbers thing. "Look, what are we supposed to do, ostracize one third of our entire society? This is obviously just how most men are, and yeah it's not nice, but what can anyone do about it, ya know?" If one year from now we've seen like 300 celebrities and politicians lose their careers, I worry that it'll stop being shocking or controversial because we have become desensitized and overwhelmed by it all, and therefor end up feeling like there's nothing to do, no way to change something so widespread and ingrained.

Which is NOT to say that I'm against this stuff coming out, I'm all for it. I'm just speculating because, honestly, I don't have a lot of faith or trust in American culture to draw the correct conclusions and respond in a good way. I'm trying to remain positive and optimistic about all this, and I'm enjoying it all, but I also wouldn't be terribly shocked if the eventual outcome of this moment ends up being depressing as fuck.

This is the very root of rape culture. That men cannot control themselves so rapes happen. Not sure why but I feel compelled to point that out.

Not just rapes, pretty much anything involving control and power. This isn't *really* just about sex. If they needed sex, they could pay for a high-priced call girl. It's about their position of power, and their ability to make women squirm, and assuming that their power is attractive, and assuming that they can get away with anything, because they are in a position of power; many of them have very little (actual) respect for women. This is a demeaning act, not a sexual one.

Charlie Rose, "I thought it was consensual." (bullshit)

Dude ... if they are WORKING with you, it can NEVER BE consensual, it's the WORK PLACE. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. Work is not a bar or a place to pick up women. IT'S WORK. Just stop. This isn't even a good EXCUSE, since that excuse is also UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL. IT'S WORK. NOOOO.

If anything comes out of this, it will be all of these women standing up -- en masse -- for themselves, making this kind of behaviour VERY RISKY for the harassers and abusers in the future.

The Downward Spiral was pretty much written ALL ABOUT this power and seeking this power; we had a 50-page thread in here discussing "Reptile" and the power struggle, the hate/redemption factors and Eve/Serpent biblical references.

What really pisses me off right now are people comparing which is "worse" in all of this, and Dems saying that Roy Moore should be yanked ("because he's a pedo!") but Al Franken is okay ("at least he's not a pedo, that's not the same thing").

They're BOTH WRONG. THEY'RE BOTH BAD.

They both committed UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL ACTS OF POWER OVER SOMEBODY ELSE.

No "but this one is worse" ... where does that end?

"At least Roy Moore didn't anally sodomize them with the bloody stump of a dismembered fetus!"

Stop comparing unethical and illegal acts to support your own stance or your own tribe. It's a bunch of shit, it does NOBODY any good.

"But he didn't assault me."

WHO FUCKING CARES??!! He did harass and assault others!

Bill Cosby was supported by Phylicia Rashad, too. That doesn't mean HE DIDN'T DO IT. She should have STFU.

Like the woman working for Charlie Rose, and women came to her to complain .. did she DO anything? No, she said "that's just Charlie being Charlie." Now she says she failed those women. Yes, yes you did.

For people who think that sexual harassment "isn't as bad" as sexual assault, no, that's the WRONG view of this shit. IT'S ALL BAD. And, many sexual harassers will move to the next step of sexual assault.

It's like thinking "emotional abuse isn't NEARLY as bad as physical abuse." Except nobody who's experienced it or anyone who works with the victims agrees with that. IT'S ALL BAD.

Hey, re the title of this thread: SEXUAL MISCONDUCT is actually an all-encompassing legal term.

Well, there IS severity in crimes and usually the punishments try to match the crimes. So, there is some value in trying to discuss that.
I certainly get some enjoyment out of watching progressives trying to draw a line in the gray area after they spent years explaining that there is no line in sexual misconduct, and that all allegations are to be believed. They are using every apologist rhetoric to excuse Franken that they had just spent months/years railing against when it was used to excuse people they didn't politically like. The progs are now in the territory of having to admit that, if their apologist rhetoric is accurate, then they have to admit that Trump simply saying "grab her by the pussy" isn't "that bad" compared to what Franken did.

But, this isn't any sort of criminal trial here. And at the end of the day, who the fuck can honestly expect to NOT lose their job over forcing their tongue down a coworkers throat?