The original poster stated they were eligible to join either the NZ or Australian army. How is that so ?

And I believe national service (like the old ready reserve type enlistment) should be made manditory for all the lazy dole bludgers that feed off our society. Give them a direction in life.

Shaw

What? pay them to be useless soldiers instead of useless layabouts. I've trained groups of long term unemployed in the past, they're usually unemployable for a reason,I didn't come across many real hard luck cases. Nearly all of the of the ones I've had to deal with had mental problems of one sort or another ,usually half of them would disappear after a week and in two years I didn't have one follow through to full time employment. Sadly a lot of Euro Australians become as institutionalised through welfare as their Indigenous counterparts, they're not fit for even the most menial jobs let alone the demands of military service.

And what's more, career soldiers never particulalry cared for draftees. The army needs a professional fighting force, not a bunch of potheads being used as political pawns.

...and another thing, conscripts always perform poorly compared to volunteers or carefully screened troops, look at the make up of the Russian or Israeli armies then compare their record on war crimes to that of volunteer forces.

If you are not sure 100% about joining up,try the Army reserves in your area.They can offer you a bit of an insight into the Aus Army without the fulltime worries.You are also paid tax free dollars for your service.If you like it its much easier to make the change to fulltime soldier.I did four years with my local ARES unit and found it to be awesome .Met some great blokes and learnt a huge amount on survival techniques thru SAS trainers and the like.

The Australia Defence force is a joke!
I went to my YOU session, sat three exams, had to do the third one as I was going for combat engineer. Completed each exam with time remaining despite the supervisor telling us hardly anyone will complete all the exams in the time given.
Whilst I waited for my results and interview, I was chatting to a couple of young lads about 18 or 19 who told me Centrelink had sent them to join the reserves otherwise their dole would be cut off.
I was finally called into one of the back rooms where I was told I did extremely well in the exams and have the choice of any career in all three of the forces. But, as I went in with my mind set as a Combat Engineer I stuck with that.
before I left the room, I asked the officer doing my interview what the Armys views on tattoos were, he replied, they are fine on the condition they are not offensive. To save me coming in again and doing the physical and being told my tattoos were offensive, I had him look at my tattoos, which he then took photos of them and sent down to Melbourne to have a look. Apparantly my WN tattoos which can be covered were too offensive and my application to join the Army was suspended on the spot.... What got my blood boiling was the fact that I consider myself a well educated person who was offered any job in the defence force, I actually wanted to join the defence force but due to a few tattoos I was sent packing, though a couple of deadsh!ts who can't get a job and didn't want to be there were welcomed with open arms...

The Australia Defence force is a joke!
I went to my YOU session, sat three exams, had to do the third one as I was going for combat engineer. Completed each exam with time remaining despite the supervisor telling us hardly anyone will complete all the exams in the time given.
Whilst I waited for my results and interview, I was chatting to a couple of young lads about 18 or 19 who told me Centrelink had sent them to join the reserves otherwise their dole would be cut off.
I was finally called into one of the back rooms where I was told I did extremely well in the exams and have the choice of any career in all three of the forces. But, as I went in with my mind set as a Combat Engineer I stuck with that.
before I left the room, I asked the officer doing my interview what the Armys views on tattoos were, he replied, they are fine on the condition they are not offensive. To save me coming in again and doing the physical and being told my tattoos were offensive, I had him look at my tattoos, which he then took photos of them and sent down to Melbourne to have a look. Apparantly my WN tattoos which can be covered were too offensive and my application to join the Army was suspended on the spot.... What got my blood boiling was the fact that I consider myself a well educated person who was offered any job in the defence force, I actually wanted to join the defence force but due to a few tattoos I was sent packing, though a couple of deadsh!ts who can't get a job and didn't want to be there were welcomed with open arms...

I've lost all respect for the ADF

Don't lose all faith in the Defence force there are still a lot of good blokes in the forces. However the tattoo rule is bull, I've seen a guy get pulled up for having " made in Australia" tattooed on him apparently it could be taken as an offence by some minor ethnic elements of the army.
The aptitude test is pretty easy and sometimes they don't even seem to worry about making sure you can complete a PFA, but in my experience those "dead-s" that make it through are weeded out quickly in basic and are sent packing real fast.
I once saw a bloke with Lebanese pride tattoo with a flag to match and he was not stopped from entry, Can that not be deemed as racist? And wtf is he going to do if for some reason he was deployed to fight a war against Lebanon?

Anyway mate maybe sometime in the future the ADF will wake up and kick out some of the scum making up numbers and start bringing in a few more true patriots like yourself.

Last edited by Steelcap Boot; 07-23-2009 at 07:20 AM.
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