Well, where are they? Even the creationists who we've got have most recently been wrong about economics. You have to go down eleven threads on "All Topics" to find anything about the EvC debate, in which, I note, creationists are not participating.

Don't get me wrong, I like hanging out here and debating with my fellow-evolutionists about politics and economics and the death penalty. It's fun. But surely it's not the point of these forums.

Creationism simply reflects what is happening with all of Conservative Fundamentalist Christianity; they have learned that they cannot survive in an arena based on truth, evidence or reality and so they avoid those things where they know they must and will lose.

They avoid the education environment and so set up their school systems where reality never enters.

They avoid textbooks and so create their own biased fables and call them textbooks.

They avoid open discussion and ban any that threaten their little world.

They create their own avoidance TV and radio networks, avoidance browsers designed not to find information but avoid information.

Creationism isn't dead, but it has admitted that it cannot compete in the world of reality, honesty and evidence.

Instead it will continue to try to avoid exposing kids to reality, truth or honesty in the hope that when they grow up they can impose their nonsense on all through the courts.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The above replies do not explain why most popular threads on this board are now about politics.

I DO love the political discusson going on here, though i wish it would all have moved on to Political Maximus or whatever the name of Percy's politcal board was.

The fewer YECs participating the fewer new ones will be attracted to the board. And EvC does not have any properly participating creationists, except Buzsaw. And buzsaw is not just any creationist, he is a right wing nutty conspiracy creationist, and those are a minority of creationists.

He's banned one of your most effective creationists from all science forums which include some Biblical ones. When nearly all of you, his evolutionst members voted that Buzsaw be reinstated into Science forums, Percy's one bully pulpit vote trumped all of yours.

He dogged me, demanding what to post next etc in the last Exodus thread and now member Percy is demanding that I cease and desist posting on topic messages relating to how commodity goods made investors of it wealthy while $$ assets infate, becoming ever more worthless making these people less wealthy. He cited Dr Adequate's response as well, demanding no more responses relating to my message. He's made similar demands, even at FreeForAll. Go figure why you've won.

If Percy/Admin would leave the moderating up to Minnemooseus and the rest of his team of moderators, I assure you that you would not be winning and some other creationists might find this site a place where they would desire to stay and engage in debates.

Creationists come and soon they're gone after Percy mothers/dogges them as to what they must and must not post. . They need some fair and balance from Percy/Admin before you can expect others to feel welcome.

At 76, my business, church, garden and other activities limit my online time, especially during the summer, so if you all want more creationists you need to persuade Percy to stop running them off. He's nice to them at first, but sooner or later he drives them off.

I don't see much from astute physicists like Son Goku and Cavediver, etc anymore. They and other astute scientists share the same frustration as Dr Adequate. Activity livens up and threads get hot when bonafide creationst vs evolutionist debates happen. Otherwise, about all this site amounts to is a round table discussion among evolutionits and Big Bangers.

IMO, AdminPD needs to lighten up a bit on moderating as well. Imo, she needs to allow some more leeway in the treads relative to adherance to topic. IMO, moderating makes or breaks debate boards. Imo, the less, the better. It's the trolls and dumb-headed that they need to focus on. .

...and now member Percy is demanding that I cease and desist posting on topic messages relating to how commodity goods made investors of it wealthy while $$ assets infate, becoming ever more worthless making these people less wealthy. He cited Dr Adequate's response as well, demanding no more responses relating to my message. He's made similar demands, even at FreeForAll.

And buzsaw is not just any creationist, he is a right wing nutty conspiracy creationist, and those are a minority of creationists.

You're right that I'm not the typical creationist. That's why I'm effective in the dabates. My stuff is not easily refuted. The threads become active when I'm active due to the fact that there need to be more unique creationists not programmed into the same ole in the colleges etc.

You're wrong about the right wing nutty conspiracy creationist.

Where were you when you thought my stuff was nutty? Why were't you in there, effectively refuting it?

He's banned one of your most effective creationists from all science forums which include some Biblical ones. When nearly all of you, his evolutionst members voted that Buzsaw be reinstated into Science forums, Percy's one bully pulpit vote trumped all of yours.

Dr Adequate frowns upon people who refer to themselves in the third person, and he thinks that they look like idiots.

Seriously, why do you do this? Are you under the impression that you're a candidate for political office? 'Cos those are the only other people I've ever seen do that, and it invariably makes me want to not vote for them and also to kill them to death with a big axe.

You're right that I'm not the typical creationist. That's why I'm effective in the dabates.

You're not effective in 'dabates'..

My stuff is not easily refuted.

Your 'stuff' IS easily refuted.

You're wrong about the right wing nutty conspiracy creationist.

I COULD be. If i remember correctly, you DO believe in a 'New World Order'? A global conspiracy etc. etc.

If im wrong, please tell me.

Where were you when you thought my stuff was nutty? Why were't you in there, effectively refuting it?

You are right. I do not participate enough. I lurk alot but i do not post alot.I had enough of the creationism debate a few years ago and i have no reason to participate in creationism debate on this board since it is almost non existing.

I WAS however quite active other places years ago. USENET and stuff like that. On the web, i still have a five year old Sticky post on the AboveTopSecret.com creationism subforum, though i havent been online there for several years. I went by the nick 'Jugg' back then.

Though i did not respond to your arguments in earlier threads, your argument are still bad.. You are welcome to PM me, if you want a private discussion of those arguments. There's no reason to bother the rest of the board with answers they already know.

I'm just as opposed to creationism as you guys are except that my reasons are not the same. IMHO creationism is a complete distortion of the Christian faith.

However, having said that you only have to read through this thread and see, the name calling and ridicule that Buz is subjected to and it becomes clear as to why there aren't any creationists left here.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.