To mark the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy I was going to rekey some portions of the chapter on Chappaquiddick from Donkey Cons, because reading it a couple years ago had a strong effect on me, not having known the details – and I assume many others are ignorant as well. However … not in this lifetime. I am just too busy lately.

But almost as effective is DK co-author Stacy McCain’s recent post, so go check it out here .

dans, that link is to an anti-Semitic, racist hate site, which is affiliated with David Duke and the Aryan Nation. If you click “Catalog” at the top the link takes you to something called “Aryan Wear,” which sells Nazi armbands and T-shirts and clothing with racist and anti-Semitic massages. It’s pretty disgusting that you would link to such a site but quite revealing too.

Written by SPMM about 6 years ago.

Typical right-wing hysterics on display here.

These days the right wing’s base is truely base, and apparently the need to muster America’s lowest common denominator is taking it’s toll on y’all — Your critiques of Kennedy; “Traitor! Treason! Chappaquiddick! Piece of Shit!” are laughably simplistic.

Jack, I like how you don’t seem to have a problem with referring to a dead US senator a “POS”, but then feign an attempt at basic decency by avoiding spelling out the word SHIT in your response to Wolverine. Class.

Cato the Elder, they’ve been talking about the deaths in Afghanistan on NPR all week. Maybe you missed it.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

zizmo, I really don’t care too much about the site, you are free to browse as you see fit.

But they do have a copy of the article that appeared on the bnp.uk web site.

Puffalump — I demand an apology. I have said nothing, NOTHING, about Ted Kennedy here or anywhere else. Nor will I — this is not the time. Cato used the term, not I. Wolverine asked for an explanation, and I provided it.

Written by FedUp about 6 years ago.

There’s no need to say anything bad about the Kennedys on this blog. Just watch the documentaries now airing on the Biography Channel to get it all! Quite a legacy of shocking behavior, starting with Joe Sr.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

jack, I was scratching my head over that one as well…

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

Pondering this some more, zizmo and SPMM may be onto something..

Maybe all of us here at this blog should take a lesson in civility from loving and caring blogs such as Huffington and the DailyKOS..

Written by Cato the Elder about 6 years ago.

So I was thinking about all the stimulus bills, etc. and I was wondering…

Maybe dans you should think about why the article was posted on that site. It’s all about Kennedy’s immigration bill, which it calls “anti-white” because it allowed immigration of non-Europeans to increase. why would you and Had enough link approvingly to an unabashedly racist article. Why aren’t you even the least bit embarrassed or apologetic about sending Novatownhall readers to a site that sells Nazi paraphernalia. And why isn’t anyone else on here disgusted by that?

Written by Wolverine about 6 years ago.

Zim — Out of pure habit I did look at the link provided by Dans. I recognized it immediately as something I’d had already read on a British National Party site during a routine Google search for commentary on the death and legacy of Ted Kennedy. I de-linked to it immediately without even reading the whole article, the appended comments, or anything else on the page. Why are you always so ready to accuse others of some sort of perfidy? Is it a hobby with you or what?

It is a common tactic. When one cannot counter the content of an article, one attacks the person posting it or linking to it for something completely unrelated to the article in question.

Written by Cato the Elder about 6 years ago.

Oh come on Lovisa. You laughed, admit it.

Written by Had Enough about 6 years ago.

“Is Ted Kennedy now considered a shovel-ready project?”

Throughout the stimulus bill there are provisions in the millions for memorials to him, so I presume you are right.

Zimzo is never happy unless he can turn everything into a racist issue. Oh, I left out gays, hispanics and Illegal Aliens. His rants and actions lead one to believe that he is a bi-racial gay, Black/Hispanic Illegal Alien.

You gotta grab the news while you can, where you can. Articles and videos that show the Usurper and Teddy Chappaquiddick’s true colors are disappearing like wild fire thanks to their friends such as the CEO of google.

Written by zimzo about 6 years ago.

The article itself is racist, Jack. I can’t believe you are defending a neo-Nazi article. I should think you guys would be disgusted by anything that is neo-Nazi.

One does not have to be a bi-racial gay, Black/Hispanic Illegal Alien to believe that they shouldn’t be attacked Had Enough. Do you only support white straight citizens?

It is rather sorry that SPMM did not apologize to you. His mistake is rather poor.

So is the thread. While I have always thought “more people died in Ted Kennedy’s car than at Three Mile Island” was tragic humor, I also am not one to gloat over the death of any man. God takes no delight in the death of the wicked … neither should I. I’m not saying I’m perfect, but we should not stoop to the level of the left.

Those that hate wickedness and turn from it in their own lives will be victorious. Those that persist in wickedness will be overcome by it, and be judged in the end. 10,000 years from now, Ted Kennedy will be forgotten on the face of the earth. If he is without the grace of God, he will have no rest now or ever. If he has the grace of God, not only is he at rest, but all of what he did would have been forgiven as the full debt would have been paid.

My debt is no less than his. “All our righteousness is as filthy rags (literally used menstrual clothes)”. And so the best we have is very literally garbage … not very much different from the worst of the worst.

Therefore, while I objectively think many of the laws he passed, many of the things he did, and much of his life was a terrible example to the world, I also know it should only be an occasion of reflection on how we too are only a heartbeat from judgment. I know I am no better … so there is no comfort in the death of the wicked.

I do know that justice is now served most certainly. And while I might suspect how that might have been accomplished, I also know that the grace of God was extended and effective upon the thief being executed with Christ. God alone knew whether or not Ted Kennedy’s sin was upon the back of Jesus as Jesus died before Kennedy died. Right now, all those in heaven know, and the one that knows the most is Ted Kennedy. Either he is saved by grace, or he is paying the debt he owes. Because I know my own sin, I would rather the grace of God was larger rather than smaller. It would certainly be a testimony to the suffering of Christ and the mercy of the father if his sin was paid for upon the cross…even as much as it will be in my case when I face God.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

For those here that see the mention of Chappaquiddick as hate, I have a little experiment for you :

google “reagan he’s dead”

To many Kennedy was an icon, an icon representing everything that is wrong in our Federal government, and the lack of morality in our elected leaders.

Went through your Reagan sites, Dans. My, oh my. The hypocrisy is utterly amazing. Wait, no it isn’t. It’s the Left. Absolutely normal and par for the course. Worse than I’ve seen on the blogs about Ted Kennedy. Reagan wasn’t a POS; he was to the sweet and ever-polite Left a whole BOS. Even Nancy’s legs were fair game. Imagine that, and I haven’t seen a single negative word about Vickie Kennedy.

I’ve been thinking about what Ted Kennedy had gone through by the time he was 36. That was when he gave a eulogy for his brother Bobby.

Oldest brother, Joe Jr., was shot down over the Atlantic in 44, sister Kathleen died in a plane crash in France in ’48. Two brothers had been shot to death. A sister had been lobotomized. That’s five out of nine siblings!
He was the youngest and the only male left – and his father was a beast, to put it mildly.

Imagine the pressure that was put on him. He also had a troubled marriage. It’s a wonder he didn’t just quit politics and go sailing.

This is NOT an excuse for Chappaquiddick, but I think I can understand his drinking and carousing to an extent. How many of us would have been able to handle all the sorrow Ted Kennedy had gone through before he was even 40 years old?

It was truly a blessing that he found his second wife. Orrin Hatch in his speech tonight mentioned her several times; said that she actually SAVED Ted’s life.

Ted was concerned about civil rights, apartheid, mental health and more and I believe that when you compare the +s with the -s , there’ll be more +s in his account.

Damn that Chappaquiddick!

Written by Marjorie about 6 years ago.

The real way to look at Kennedy is to look at how he benefitted America while in office.

The real question is did he have America first or did he have every cause to destroy America though government control and immigration excess.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

Lovisa,

All three of the younger Kennedy boys were heavy drinkers and carousers were they not ? Given this, I would suspect upbringing more than personal tragedy.

I lived in Palm Beach Co. for several years. You would be amazed at the Ted Kennedy shenanigans that were in the local news, but suppressed in the national during the Clinton years.

What would you expect? Their father was a boot legger, for pete’s sake! Joe Jr would probably have been a drunkard too, if he hadn’t been killed in the war. I cried my eyes out when Bobby was killed, because I saw in him the possibility of a truly united America. I believe the country would have been a better place, had he become president.

Can’t you dig up something about the female Kennedys? I’m sure there are lots of skeletons in the closet. NOW is the time to get it all out.

Personal tragedies do cause people to behave in ways they would not otherwise have done.

And, Majorie, Kennedy sponsored, or was co-sponsor to, several bills that made this country better. Civil Rights – You’re probably too young to remember the 60s. – The Family and Medical Leave Act is one important Act that benefits many people. Improvements in mental health benefits is another.

“… did he have every cause to destroy America…” Why would he want to destroy America? – As for immigration; seems he worked closely with McCain on that subject. Nobody, Dem or Rep, has been able to solve that problem as yet, and those who’re trying to improve the situation, are being shot down as destroyers of the American way of life.

So, dans, Did you never do any stupid things in your youth? – What have you done to make America a better place for all, not just for yourself and your family?

Written by Marjorie about 6 years ago.

LOVISA,

KENNEDY ALSO CONTACTED Comrade Y.V. Andropov

“It got little or no attention, however, until the publication of Paul Kengor’s book ‘The Crusader – Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism.’ But even then the actual text of the letter (which is in the book’s appendix pp 317-320) has gotten short shrift,” and I have the KGB letter here on Senator Ted Kennedy. I got it from Sweetness-Light.com. They posted this back in December of 2006. Ted Kennedy offered to meet with Yuri Andropov who at the time was the Communist Party leader in the Soviet Union to try to help him sabotage Reagan’s efforts to put deterrent missiles in Europe. Now, we’re hearing all week about how Kennedy and Reagan got along so well. You’ve heard that. You’ve seen the stories.

Lovisa — In my opinion, Marjorie very much has a point in No. 36. This incident of attempted sub rosa collaboration between Kennedy and Andropov came to light when the KGB files were opened after the fall of the Soviet regime. Kennedy was entirely in the wrong in this and should have been mightily ashamed of taking our internal policy differences beyond the water’s edge. If a Republican Senator had done this while JFK was in the Oval Office, Ted would have had a public fit and rightly so.

Written by zimzo about 6 years ago.

dans the other link goes to the site of the British National Party site, a fascist neo-Nazi British party that promotes anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial, racism and violence.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party (with links to numerous sources)

Is anyone here the least bit disturbed that neo-Nazi propaganda was linked to approvingly here? Joe, do you really want to promote neo-Nazi propaganda here?

Written by Had Enough about 6 years ago.

“Can’t you dig up something about the female Kennedys? I’m sure there are lots of skeletons in the closet.”

Sure, Caroline gave up her bid for Hillary’s senate seat because it was exposed that she was having an affair, It’s been reported that Jackie was having an affair with Bobby after John died, Joan was a drunk and addicted to pills…..

What I have always noticed about you is….you are quick to slander women while make excuses for the behavior of men. No gender loyalty with you, you are quick to bash women if it suits your reasoning for the moment.

“Damn that Chappaquiddick!”

So Maryjo’s life was not as important, significant or worth as much as his family members who didn’t die by his hand, but she did….But, she was just a woman.

“Troubled marriage”

How repulsive. Many years of lying, cheating, drunkenness, murdering another woman, etc., no wonder Joan had problems, but there’s no pity for her. Just another woman.

Most large families have more tragedies, statistically, by lifestyle, medical or otherwise. I grew up with a number of large families in my neighborhood, seven to eleven children. Most of them had many crises and deaths but I never saw one father begin to lie, cheat and drink as an excuse for their loss. Their stories were not reported because they were just peons.

Written by Wolverine about 6 years ago.

Dans — Let me chime in here. You are a real doofus!! You have gotten us all into big trouble!! How dare you read or link onto something without first checking Comrade Professor Zimzo’s approved reading list?!!! What are you anyway? An “Enemy of the People”??? For shame! There may be a re-education camp in your future, schmucko!!

(Psst, Dans, forget that BS above. Don’t let the Comrade Professor hear about this; but I’ve actually read “Mein Kampf.” That’s right!! “Mein Kampf”!! The whole thing!! The Comrade Professor would be absolutely scandalized! Tore out the pages and hid them in my copy of “The Communist Manifesto.” The Comrade Professor never caught on. He thought I was doing my assigned homework!)

Written by Wolverine about 6 years ago.

Lovisa, let me suggest that comparatively few of us ever really have the chance or the means to do things for this country on a grand scale as you suggested in your last post to Dans. I would like to think that, if each and every American does what he can within the law to make things better for himself and his family and his immediate neighbors, it all adds up to a better country, family by family.

Some people run for the Senate and win. Some people lead great armies. Some people write important books. Each according to his talent. Some people work on the serving line in a soup kitchen and drop their hard-earned dollars in the church collection plate on Sunday so the poor can be nurtured physically and spiritually. It is a collaborative effort, with each contributing what he can.

I think that comparisons of scale are a bit misleading. I once chased terrorists in the far corners of the world. Now I try to protect through Neighborhood Watch just a couple of square miles of my own community. The scales in the absolute are different certainly, but the relative importance, to my mind, is not that much different. Family by family builds a community, builds a town, builds a county, builds a state, and builds a country. It’s a joint effort, and it takes all kinds.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

Lovisa,

Guess you may be right about the apples not falling far from the tree. Was Joe Kennedy also implicated in the deaths of others?

“Did you never do any stupid things in your youth?”

Of course I did, but none of these actions resulted in the tragic death of another, quite the opposite actually. The area where I lived as a child was surrounded by water where the neighborhood children ice skated and played hockey in the winter. On a number of occasions I put my well being at risk pulling kids from the water who had fallen through the ice.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

Wolv,

Yes, zizmo seems to forget about some of the Socialist/Fascist sites she has linked to.

Guess if Wiki says BNP is fascist, then we must take that as gospel, as we know liberals would not use the internet to slander anyone..

Still waiting for zizmo to tell me why Obama is lending his image to the obamaforum.com site. As his image graces those pages, this implies support of the racism found there.

Written by zimzo about 6 years ago.

Wolverine, there is a difference between reading Mein Kampf and quoting from it approvingly because you think Hitler makes a lot of sense. dans I never linked to a site that is remotely comparable to the one selling T-shirts with swatikas on them that you linked to.

The fact that dans and Had Enough do not feel the least bit remorse for linking to a neo-Nazi article and that not a single person here condemned them and some have even defended them, while the rest were silent, is pretty repulsive. I should think that the one thing we could all agree is that Nazism is hateful but apparently you all have been so consumed with hatred and have drifted so far to the right that even Nazi propaganda and paraphernalia doesn’t disgust you.

Written by Wolverine about 6 years ago.

Zimzo, there is also a difference between claiming to support a strong Constitution and trying continually to shame others for reading something of which you personally disapprove. then telling them they have to make some sort of public mea culpa for merely linking into a certain site. If the mea culpas do not come, you proceed to denounce them as being some sort of neo-Nazi sympathizers.

Son, I have lived with and broken bread with real, honest-to-God Marxists. I’m not saying you are one, but you sure as Hell do sound a lot like they did.

The issues at hand were illegal immigration and Ted Kennedy’s role in pushing for amnesty. It had nothing to do with Hitler or Jews or the Holocaust or neo-Nazism or anything remotely connected to it. So, knock off the silliness. It’s getting mighty hard to determine from which bodily orifice your posts are emanating.

Written by dans about 6 years ago.

“As for immigration; seems he worked closely with McCain on that subject.”

Nazism of this type is, like Larouchism, amusing, because it is so far out there and carried by such a tiny group of supporters. I agree if some significant segment of society were to buy into it and it were to become a “movement” there would be a need for all people of good sense to condemn it. But these guys are a force to be reckoned with like the modern KKK is – 5 guys marching down Main St with a police escort.

Heh, that just reminded me: there were some of these “American Renaissance” type guys who showed up at some of the OLD NovaTownhall meetings (this was before Help Save Loudoun was even a glimmer in anyone’s eye). They looked at you very, very suspiciously, and only talked about their own meetings in the vaguest possible terms … I guess because we are all potential traitors to our race until proven otherwise.

I guess the aspect of it which confuses Zimzo so is: not everything that might appear on their Web sites is crazy or, even, wrong. The way I differentiate is according to the pattern identified by Hofstadter – the “paranoid style.” The freaked-out mindset.

Lately, as in the past few years, this has of course been a phenomenon primarily of the Left. If you want to see the paranoid style in full bloom, you want to go to Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, and Huffington Post – albeit, I will admit, there is plenty of stuff in all of those sites which is not the least bit crazy.

But I will go along with Zimzo to the extent that if it were ever to appear that modern day Nazism had begun to gain traction in public opinion, I would be marching arm in arm to denounce it.

Just as I know he would do the same if the “9-11 was an inside job” folks ever got any traction.

A misguided ideology has taken root in America and has brought this nation to the brink of collapse. A battle of two ideals has ensued, both of which have a significant impact on our national security and ultimate fate of the nation. Can America return to conservative values and save itself from the jaws of Marxism, or will it spiral down a path of self destruction guided by none other than the former Soviet Union?

It can be argued that the destabilization of our culture and economy, magnified by policies of the Obama Administration, conform to KGB plans for the collapse of the United States. The only question remains: Is Obama masterminding the current events for economic collapse, or is he just the hapless puppet holding the hot potato?
See link to finish story.

Written by zimzo about 6 years ago.

Well, Joe I will agree with you that the “9-11 was an inside job” people are disgusting and even that the “paranoid style” as exemplified by some at Daily Kos, DU and Huffington Post is reprehensible (and I have had some run-ins with them of my own). I hope you will also agree that there are some equally paranoid and crazy people at Red State and Free Republic. And I will also agree that people who go around wearing swastikas are a minority.

HOWEVER, when readers of your blog post links to racist articles written by neo-Nazis, it shows that some of the ideas of these fringe groups are being legitimized and accepted by people on your side and are beginning to infect your rhetoric. I should think you would be vigilant about fighting against that because it only makes your side look bad. The fact that people here can casually subscribe to ideas proffered by Nazis and that no one on your side is willing to step up and say that is wrong means that you guys are the ones who are becoming infected with the “paranoid style” of American politics or something much much worse.

So Zimzo admits to having had run-ins with the Daily Kos, DU, and the Huffington Post. That boy just doesn’t know how to make friends anywhere. Must be a lonely life…being the self-appointed judge of all knowlege and righteousness, I mean.

You know, Zim, you appear to know a great deal about Nazis and neo-Nazis and their websites. It’s almost as if you explore those sites religiously, even peruse their catalogue offerings. I, on the other hand, hardly ever, if at all, let that stuff intrude on my intellectual horizon. Yet, somehow you see fit to call on me (and others) to issue a mea culpa for simply having pushed a mouse to go to a link whose owners were previously unknown to me and who are, in my opinion (and as Joe opined, mere pimples on the political horizon.

I have come to the conclusion that the neo-Nazi site per se has nothing to do with your persistant rantings and calls for public confessions and repentance. You simply consider that anyone with conservative views which differ from your own may be a fellow traveler of neo-Nazis. You, for instance, take the issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants, which I totally oppose on legitimate legal and political grounds, and try to equate my personal beliefs with those of extremists who have no role whatsoever in my own thought processes.

Quite candidly, my good fellow, you are using the old tactics of the Communist International designed to denigrate and destroy legitimate political entities in a non-Marxist state: Guilt by association through blatant lies. Recant before the People or be seen as guilty. This is becoming a tactic of the Left in America as well. Let a conservative politician happen to be seen shaking the hand of Pat Robertson, and that politician is automatically labelled a crazy Christian fundamentalist right wingnut. Let a blogger hit the mouse for an unknown site run by extremists, and on comes Zimzo calling for recantation or the suffering of the application of the label of neo-Nazi fellow traveler. Oh, but let a conservative take Obama to task for cozying up to committed Marxist a-holes like Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez, and we all become intolerant and probably racist bastards who should be ashamed to open our mouths. Nice that! Comintern, welcome to the USA 2009.

Fess up, Zimzo. Part of my own long career was a fierce battle against the KGB, the Cuban intel service, and the East German Stasi. You wouldn’t have made the cut in any of those organizations. Therefore, I can come to only one conclusion: you are a disciple, formal or informal, of America’s own 21st century Torquemada, a fellow named Morris Dees. You accuse all who do not agree with your views of being somehow a pernicious threat to the Constitution and the American Republic. Therefore, I, whenever I feel like responding to your posts, will henceforth refer to you as a Torquemadist. You have abundantly earned this accolade.

I guess this is akin to watching the same episode of the three stooges over and over again. After a while seeing ol curly getting hit in the head with a brick for the umpteenth time just stops being funny.