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Anonymous User wrote:I have trouble believing that "[a] bunch of people at median got no callbacks at all." I think we had something like 50% of last year's class spend the summer at a V50. I'm expecting it to be even better this year, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I think this sort of thing really is dependent upon what your social circle looks like. Certain types of people seem to do much better than others with the hiring thing. At my t10 I know at least 3 people with great credentials on paper - all within the top 20%, one of them also wrote onto LR - who currently have no offers. A bunch of people posting in my school's OCI thread claim something similar to "the vast majority of people I know have offers already." I don't have a problem believing that there are clusters of people with terrible results, though I agree that we will have to wait until the dust settles before we know how everything turns out.

foxtrottortxof wrote:This person said that, while hiring is picking up, it's increasing in depth among the top schools rather than breadth among a greater range.

Not true this year. Chicago is getting slammed. A bunch of people at median got no callbacks at all, a lot of the people I ask at school have totally struck out post-callbacks. Are the "top schools" firms are going deeper into just H and S?

I guess it depends on who you talk to. I'm also at Chicago and know of only one person without an offer and I know somebody near bottom third with an offer at a V10. Multiple people I know who are in the top third range have at least one V5 offer. All of my friends here cleaned up and we all thought it was so much better than expected.

I have trouble believing that "[a] bunch of people at median got no callbacks at all." I think we had something like 50% of last year's class spend the summer at a V50. I'm expecting it to be even better this year, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The NALP person was not talking specifics, unfortunately, but I would be surprised if UChicago wasn't included among the schools. Obviously, all we have is a potentially insider opinion and some anecdotes, neither of which is great evidence. At HLS, I don't know of anyone who has struck out (I know where about 30 people are going). I suppose they could be lying or something, though that's a very short-term solution.

School*: VandyMarket(s): Nashville, Knoxville, Birmingham, NY Approximate class rank: 76/190Law review: NoWork experience: tons - worked all through and after college IP background: nopeAnything else that might have an impact? (diversity, etc. or whatever, really): im poor but im white so no one seems to care about that Screening Interviews: 9 (6 rejections - 3 unheard from though I know they did callbacks)Mass mails: in my second waive now but approximately 20 so far (low I know)Callbacks received: 1 (form mailing)Callbacks accepted: what does this mean? I went on the callback but offer still pending. Offers w/vault ranges: no vaultHow many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 3Thank-you notes sent: yes for my one callback

I know I interview well so I don't know what explains my lack of success unless they truly only care about GPA/LR

Anecdotally, I agree that it appears firms are going deeper within schools these days, at the expense of lower ranked schools. At NYU and I see a number of people pulling callbacks and offers that on paper looked like serious long shots. Friends at Fordham, Cardozo etc. still report serious ITE hiring problems (law review people striking out). I would not be surprised if increased hiring is giving a boost to median T6 students but not lower-T1 folks....

Anonymous User wrote:Anecdotally, I agree that it appears firms are going deeper within schools these days, at the expense of lower ranked schools. At NYU and I see a number of people pulling callbacks and offers that on paper looked like serious long shots. Friends at Fordham, Cardozo etc. still report serious ITE hiring problems (law review people striking out). I would not be surprised if increased hiring is giving a boost to median T6 students but not lower-T1 folks....

Anecdotal, but... I think LR at Fordham seems to be cleaning up. Know of multiple people not on LR with offers also who have good grades. At median, it's a bloodbath.

No offers, no callbacks. Had 8-12 screeners at OGI, all lottery, no preselect. I'm a bad interviewer apparently. Been mass mailing for months to home state and DC/NY with zero response.

Considering dropping out, since I can find a 40-50k job just fine on my own without the need for a JD. Although I do kinda enjoy legal work, long-term career potential is #1. I'd love a federal government job or a clerkship at the state trial level, but I feel like neither option is realistic. If I come out of law school as a public defender or a doc review slave, I'll have felt like the entire experience was a waste. Any advice?

Anonymous User wrote:School*: VandyMarket(s): Nashville, Knoxville, Birmingham, NY Approximate class rank: 76/190Law review: NoWork experience: tons - worked all through and after college IP background: nopeAnything else that might have an impact? (diversity, etc. or whatever, really): im poor but im white so no one seems to care about that Screening Interviews: 9 (6 rejections - 3 unheard from though I know they did callbacks)Mass mails: in my second waive now but approximately 20 so far (low I know)Callbacks received: 1 (form mailing)Callbacks accepted: what does this mean? I went on the callback but offer still pending. Offers w/vault ranges: no vaultHow many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 3Thank-you notes sent: yes for my one callback

I know I interview well so I don't know what explains my lack of success unless they truly only care about GPA/LR

Are you from Tennessee/the South? Knoxville, Nashville and Birmingham ALL require fairly strong ties. Also, the market is really flooded in the South.

School*: T2, ranked 50-65Market(s): East coast, regional market.Approximate class rank: Top 10%Law review: Secondary JournalWork experience: Yes, but not really law related.IP background: No.Anything else that might have an impact? (diversity, etc. or whatever, really): A little older than K-JD, but under 35.Screening Interviews: 5 (applied to 20, in 100% preselect system)Mass mails: About 20. Small market. Callbacks received: 1 from screenerCallbacks accepted: 1 (What, am I going to decline my 1 callback?)Offers w/vault ranges: Zero. How many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? Zero.Thank-you notes sent: Yes.

If I had expanded by market and applied beyond my local region I probably would have fared better, but this wasn't a possibility for me (which is why I attended this supposedly "regional" school!) Best of luck to everyone on your search going forward.

No offers, no callbacks. Had 8-12 screeners at OGI, all lottery, no preselect. I'm a bad interviewer apparently. Been mass mailing for months to home state and DC/NY with zero response.

Considering dropping out, since I can find a 40-50k job just fine on my own without the need for a JD. Although I do kinda enjoy legal work, long-term career potential is #1. I'd love a federal government job or a clerkship at the state trial level, but I feel like neither option is realistic. If I come out of law school as a public defender or a doc review slave, I'll have felt like the entire experience was a waste. Any advice?

A friend is barely above median at UVA. Had 10-13 screeners at OGI, about half pre-select, half lottery. Got one callback, and was rejected after that. They also mass-mailed their hometown and the market they wanted to work in, which resulted in two in-office full day screener/callback hybrids. Got rejected from one of those, and things are looking extremely unlikely for the other. It's weird that he struck out considering that his grades aren't bad (and he was told by Career Services that his interviewing skills were not the problem), but one factor could be that he targeted smaller markets and barely bid DC/NY.

No offers, no callbacks. Had 8-12 screeners at OGI, all lottery, no preselect. I'm a bad interviewer apparently. Been mass mailing for months to home state and DC/NY with zero response.

Considering dropping out, since I can find a 40-50k job just fine on my own without the need for a JD. Although I do kinda enjoy legal work, long-term career potential is #1. I'd love a federal government job or a clerkship at the state trial level, but I feel like neither option is realistic. If I come out of law school as a public defender or a doc review slave, I'll have felt like the entire experience was a waste. Any advice?

A friend is barely above median at UVA. Had 10-13 screeners at OGI, about half pre-select, half lottery. Got one callback, and was rejected after that. They also mass-mailed their hometown and the market they wanted to work in, which resulted in two in-office full day screener/callback hybrids. Got rejected from one of those, and things are looking extremely unlikely for the other. It's weird that he struck out considering that his grades aren't bad (and he was told by Career Services that his interviewing skills were not the problem), but one factor could be that he targeted smaller markets and barely bid DC/NY.

I feel like medianish at MVP was pretty rough this year. If you bid right, were a good interviewer, etc. then it had potential to work out but it's tough when you really have no "safety" firms and everyone who is interviewing with the firms you are interviewing at has pretty much the same GPA (for the firms that take lower GPAs).

No offers, no callbacks. Had 8-12 screeners at OGI, all lottery, no preselect. I'm a bad interviewer apparently. Been mass mailing for months to home state and DC/NY with zero response.

Considering dropping out, since I can find a 40-50k job just fine on my own without the need for a JD. Although I do kinda enjoy legal work, long-term career potential is #1. I'd love a federal government job or a clerkship at the state trial level, but I feel like neither option is realistic. If I come out of law school as a public defender or a doc review slave, I'll have felt like the entire experience was a waste. Any advice?

A friend is barely above median at UVA. Had 10-13 screeners at OGI, about half pre-select, half lottery. Got one callback, and was rejected after that. They also mass-mailed their hometown and the market they wanted to work in, which resulted in two in-office full day screener/callback hybrids. Got rejected from one of those, and things are looking extremely unlikely for the other. It's weird that he struck out considering that his grades aren't bad (and he was told by Career Services that his interviewing skills were not the problem), but one factor could be that he targeted smaller markets and barely bid DC/NY.

I feel like medianish at MVP was pretty rough this year. If you bid right, were a good interviewer, etc. then it had potential to work out but it's tough when you really have no "safety" firms and everyone who is interviewing with the firms you are interviewing at has pretty much the same GPA (for the firms that take lower GPAs).

This is interesting. There are a lot of feel-good stories about MVP median students getting biglaw. I guess you just don't see a lot of the other stories.

No offers, no callbacks. Had 8-12 screeners at OGI, all lottery, no preselect. I'm a bad interviewer apparently. Been mass mailing for months to home state and DC/NY with zero response.

Considering dropping out, since I can find a 40-50k job just fine on my own without the need for a JD. Although I do kinda enjoy legal work, long-term career potential is #1. I'd love a federal government job or a clerkship at the state trial level, but I feel like neither option is realistic. If I come out of law school as a public defender or a doc review slave, I'll have felt like the entire experience was a waste. Any advice?

A friend is barely above median at UVA. Had 10-13 screeners at OGI, about half pre-select, half lottery. Got one callback, and was rejected after that. They also mass-mailed their hometown and the market they wanted to work in, which resulted in two in-office full day screener/callback hybrids. Got rejected from one of those, and things are looking extremely unlikely for the other. It's weird that he struck out considering that his grades aren't bad (and he was told by Career Services that his interviewing skills were not the problem), but one factor could be that he targeted smaller markets and barely bid DC/NY.

I feel like medianish at MVP was pretty rough this year. If you bid right, were a good interviewer, etc. then it had potential to work out but it's tough when you really have no "safety" firms and everyone who is interviewing with the firms you are interviewing at has pretty much the same GPA (for the firms that take lower GPAs).

I agree. About half the people I know at MVP who are around the median struck out. Some got lucky, but it's not a very comfortable place to be at all.

The more I hear about OCI this season, it seems like at MVPDCNG (and I'd throw Texas and Vandy in there too from what I've seen and heard), top third, give or take, is the place to be (probably good for at least 1 offer). Medianish and things get really hit or miss.

Grizz wrote:The more I hear about OCI this season, it seems like at MVPDCNG (and I'd throw Texas and Vandy in there too from what I've seen and heard), top third, give or take, is the place to be (probably good for at least 1 offer). Medianish and things get really hit or miss.

As someone who a little over a year ago was considering taking MVP with a scholarship over CCN, I am very thankful I ended up at my CCN. Median grades and I had opportunities that far exceeded my expectations. 0Ls, take heed!

Anonymous User wrote:School*: VandyMarket(s): Nashville, Knoxville, Birmingham, NY Approximate class rank: 76/190Law review: NoWork experience: tons - worked all through and after college IP background: nopeAnything else that might have an impact? (diversity, etc. or whatever, really): im poor but im white so no one seems to care about that Screening Interviews: 9 (6 rejections - 3 unheard from though I know they did callbacks)Mass mails: in my second waive now but approximately 20 so far (low I know)Callbacks received: 1 (form mailing)Callbacks accepted: what does this mean? I went on the callback but offer still pending. Offers w/vault ranges: no vaultHow many firms just didn't get back with you with a rejection/callback? 3Thank-you notes sent: yes for my one callback

I know I interview well so I don't know what explains my lack of success unless they truly only care about GPA/LR

Are you from Tennessee/the South? Knoxville, Nashville and Birmingham ALL require fairly strong ties. Also, the market is really flooded in the South.

I am from the south - doesnt seem to help. This whole "require fairly strong ties" thing is a myth, at least for Nashville. Sure it seems to help weigh in your favor but they are giving offers right now to plenty of Northerners.

Anonymous User wrote:I am from the south - doesnt seem to help. This whole "require fairly strong ties" thing is a myth, at least for Nashville. Sure it seems to help weigh in your favor but they are giving offers right now to plenty of Northerners.

Do you have any evidence to back this up? Or is this just an observation of your classmates looking in Nashville?

Anonymous User wrote:I am from the south - doesnt seem to help. This whole "require fairly strong ties" thing is a myth, at least for Nashville. Sure it seems to help weigh in your favor but they are giving offers right now to plenty of Northerners.

Do you have any evidence to back this up? Or is this just an observation of your classmates looking in Nashville?

Anonymous User wrote:I am from the south - doesnt seem to help. This whole "require fairly strong ties" thing is a myth, at least for Nashville. Sure it seems to help weigh in your favor but they are giving offers right now to plenty of Northerners.

Do you have any evidence to back this up? Or is this just an observation of your classmates looking in Nashville?

On this note, at Vandy, it seems like the smaller firms in Nashville are suspicious of outsiders, whereas some of the larger ones (BABC, Bass, Baker) are willing to look at people from Vandy with solid grades who can articulate a decent reason for wanting to remain.

edit: an articulable reason is not "I like music." Think "I have a demonstrable interest in healthcare finance."