Yeah it's a scam. We had some fun with them on discord a few days ago, they are fully aware that both their webpage and steampage are lies (such as saying that Epic is currently in the game). But right now it would be a "bad marketing decision" (their words) to fix the lies without having the new roadmap and showing what they plan to work on.

Obviously they're not gonna ever say that epic is done, because that would mean suicide.

I don't know why any of you ever thought they'd be able to pull off what they promised. They were promising things that AAA studios wouldn't be able to do, with minimal experience and a tiny team, while being completely beholden to their investors because they have no money of their own.

The feature list read like a four year old's wish list after they just learn of Santa Claus, just pile on everything you can think of.

12-8 months ago it was certainly naïve to promise so much, but it was honest naivety. You could get info from the forum or Discord and their intentions would be the same on public-facing media as it was in more direct correspondence.

The reason to be pissed now is not because they failed to deliver, it's because they're still promising the same things publicly in all the places where you could actually buy the game, but when asked directly in Discord they'll acknowledge that everything's out of date. Back to the last argument I had on that forum, It's all good and well for Pogosan to say 'It's no secret that...' but it's not like any of that information is stickied or replacing existing stickied threads that say the opposite.

That's where it transitioned from naïve over-reaching, to a straight-up scam. They concede it'd be bad for them if they were honest and open about the current direction of the game. Uther can downvote all he wants but that's criminal.

The only reason it's still worth talking about? There may be a couple of people on this forum that forgot to change their reviews to negative. And 20-something% of recent reviews are positive somehow, they clearly haven't been informed well enough.

I don't know why any of you ever thought they'd be able to pull off what they promised. They were promising things that AAA studios wouldn't be able to do, with minimal experience and a tiny team, while being completely beholden to their investors because they have no money of their own.

The feature list read like a four year old's wish list after they just learn of Santa Claus, just pile on everything you can think of.

Xant is right. Even back then I should've known what they were aiming for (with Epic) was so ridiculously beyond their scope, experience and capabilities. You have much larger and way more funded teams struggling to build such games. Open world sandbox MMOs are no joke. No idea why I didn't think of this back then. Fooled by the videos?

Xant is right. Even back then I should've known what they were aiming for (with Epic) was so ridiculously beyond their scope, experience and capabilities. You have much larger and way more funded teams struggling to build such games. Open world sandbox MMOs are no joke. No idea why I didn't think of this back then. Fooled by the videos?

Erm what are you talking about? I just read their website and it's already there in the game, haven't you read the 'About The Game' section of their forum?

You play as a character in a vast open world full of alliances and conflict, with an emphasis on player-driven experiences. Colossal player-coordinated battles with over 200 players! They did it! There's always constant warfare for us to be involved in!

Brb gonna buy some more copies for my fri.... oh, you sneaky website you nearly tricked me again

I feel bad for the people who spent over 100$ buying multiple copies for friends/clanmates. I really lobby for taking down the fraudulent descriptions of the game that will never come to pass to ensure that this doesn't happen to more people.

The new devs are at the most going to get OKAM to a somewhat playable game, the bare minimum game that they can call "finished", then forget about it forever. There's so much negativity about it even on their own forums and the Steam reviews are horrible, it'd be insane to try to actually make a decent game out of it. That is, if the devs were even capable of making a decent game. Has GMG or whatever they're called ever made any?

@Ouki I can't say when yet, but I can tell that nothing was abandoned or cancelled and is still very much a desired goal, the only thing we can't do is officially say that it is 100% coming, because there are way too many things that could block itJericho, who's a project lead, said so himself

This kind of stuff would be weird to read from modders, but actual commercial developers saying shit like "yeah we would like to do X but we won't say it's coming because we dunno if we can even do it... but hey nothing is abandoned! All these far-fetched features still live in our dreams!"

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@Ouki We discuss Epic internally, we love the idea but we need to be realistic about the deliverables in the short and mid term. It is not forgotten, but the shape, name and exact format to which it may take form in the furture will need to be thought about very very carefully. For now we want to concentrate making the best game we can.

Well, that's specific and reassuring. Epic isn't forgotten, but they haven't even discussed it yet, and the final product will have a different name, shape and format. That is, it will be something completely different. But they totally love the idea and it's not abandoned.

I'll go out on a limb and say if I brought a game into Steam Early Access, developed by me, and all I did was create a trailer and an exciting Steam page listing features that will be in the game but not actually make a game that can launch (just something that crashes instantly) with the normal Steam Early Access disclaimer all over it. I assume Steam would realise that was a piss-take and offer refunds or at least stop selling it.

But what's the cutoff? I repeat the above scenario but instead of no game, I make tick-tack-toe (no AI btw, you play as both o's and x's). Would Steam still draw the line and say 'that's nothing like what you promised' and take it down? Or would I be covered by the EA disclaimers?

What's the limit of Steam's patience for the 2nd scenario? I've got some time later, might be worth finding out.

Because clearly Pogosan was too busy to do it himself, I rewrote the page for free so that it actually describes what you can do in the game *now*. Someone get him a copy of this quick so he can change it immediately!

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The Game

What is Of Kings And Men?Of Kings And Men is an independently developed, third-person multiplayer ‘Medieval War’ game.Set in 13th century with both European and Eastern influences, you play as a character in a small server with a few players and conflict, with an emphasis on killing the other team.

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BattlegroundsWhether its fighting 1v1 duels or participating in small random battles, with up to 40 players, there will sometimes be combat for you to be involved in.

Choose your weapon from a small selection of Polearms, Spears, Swords, Shields, Axes, Maces, Bows and Crossbows. How you play and your combat style will change depending on your choice in armament. Find your role in Of Kings And Men & let the battles commence!

Battle amongst your allies in small-scale battles with a fluid combat system that is awkward to pick up – and difficult to master! You can control the direction of swings and blocks with your mouse and you need quick reactions to counteract the way this involuntarily moves your camera to survive an encounter unharmed.

You will buy a small variety of different weapon types and armours through our shopping system, that you will be able to swap out and customize, and you will be able to tailor your character around how you want to play, distributing your hard-earned points in what you desire. If you want to be lighter on your feet (this feels like a sentence that should go somewhere, no seriously look at the actual website)

You can level up your character to better suit your combat style, however – to really make a difference its your own player skill that matters.

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There will be a couple of Battle Modes implemented, where you can team up and fight competitively against other players, each with their own unique maps and objectives assigned. (stop saying things like exp and gold carry over to The Epic, it doesn't exist)The current Battle Modes we have lined up are:

Team Deathmatch– A traditional competitive setup. Players have one life per round and respawn when the round ends and a team has won. Kill or be killed.

Conquest– Capture different areas of the map before the other team. Whoever has the largest overall percentage wins.

And maybe some more to come!

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The Epic‘The Epic’ is a thing that lives in our dreams and we sometimes even discuss internally. It would be a Persistent open world featured in Of Kings And Men.

Because we don't know if we will be developing it we're not going to talk about it in a crazy amount of detail because that would be irresponsible.

FAQWhen will this game be released?Of Kings And Men is currently in the Early Access, you can find us on Steam.

What platforms will be supported for Of Kings And Men?Presently the game is only scheduled to be released for Windows PC, but we shall see what the future holds!

Is this game multiplayer only?Combat game modes will be purely multiplayer but there will be bots that you can practice against.

Will I be able to create mods for this game?Coming from a modding background, it is very important to us that people will be able to mod the game and create their own content that they can enjoy.Unfortunately there are limits to this, in that we don’t want to create situations where players can make the game imbalanced and ruin the experience for others and so we are looking into giving players the opportunity to host their own servers with us where they can have freedom without affecting the core game.

Can I upload recordings of the game online?Yes – but only if they look good! (lol didn't even have to change that one)

How many servers are there?Our current server are located in Europe, North America (East & West), South America, Australia, Oceania, East Asia, and Japan! (Should probably correct this so that you're not lying)

Let's make of Queens and Women and use your tic tac toe idea. I feel like being fraudulent today. I'll be your pogo and just continuously tell people not to get their hopes up and that great things are coming soon™

Let's make of Queens and Women and use your tic tac toe idea. I feel like being fraudulent today. I'll be your pogo and just continuously tell people not to get their hopes up and that great things are coming soon™

If you still have an Okam account or feel like going to Discord plz share my hard work above with Pogosan so that he can update the website. He must be too busy to rewrite it himself so I am being helpful.

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About our fraud idea i'll speak to my peeps at Steam and see how much they'll let us get away with. Instead of telling people that great things are coming, it would be more efficient use of your time to post infrequently and try to imply that it's somehow the community's fault for getting expectations that my game would be as advertised on the Steam page.