Once-a-Month Shopping: Save More by Shopping Less

How often do you go to the supermarket? Could you get by making only one trip per month? What if it saved you money?

My wife and I are both reading America’s Cheapest Family by Steve and Annette Economides. During his time as an ad salesman, Steve was “shocked to read in a food industry publication that grocers expect six of ten items consumers pick up in the store to be unplanned purchases.”

Steve and Annette discovered that scientific research backs up what grocers already knew. In their book, the Economides cite a study analyzing the decisions of 4,200 customers who made 30,000 purchases in fourteen different cities. Researchers found:

“Shoppers making a ‘quick trip’ to the store to pick up a few specific items usually purchase 54 percent more than they planned.”

“Forty-seven percent of shoppers go to the store three or four times each week.”

“Consumers graze at the grocery store, with impulse buys making up between 50.8 and 67.7 percent of total purchase.”

When people shop more often, they buy more stuff.

What’s the solution? For the past 25 years, Steve and Annette, America’s cheapest family, have practiced once-a-month shopping. They only go grocery shopping 12 times a year. This boggles my mind; Kris and I shop every week. (Lately I’ve been making many supplementary grocery trips, and my food budget reflects that.)

Once-a-month shopping
How does shopping once a month work? First of all, it takes time. It also takes organization. Here’s how the Economides do it:

They make a list of the things they need, which they update continually. They also use meal plans.

They accumulate coupon and ads for the things they use and the stores they frequent. During the days before their monthly shopping trip, they match sales and discounts to the items on their list.

They leave younger children with a babysitter. The Economides have found that they save time and money by leaving younger children at home instead of letting them distract them from the task at hand. Older children, however, can actually help.

They hit multiple stores. Different stores have different strengths. If you shop every week, it may not make sense to drive all over town to save a few pennies. By shopping just once a month, however, travel costs are diminished.

When they have the food home, they prioritize perishables. Certain produce (grapes, bananas) need to be consumed earlier in the month. Other foods (milk, bread) may need to be frozen.

The Economides admit that each monthly shopping trip takes longer than a weekly shopping trip. But overall the process saves time and money. For one thing, it cuts down on the number of opportunities for impulse purchases.

Once-a-month shopping has worked so well for them that they’ve been doing it since 1984!

Putting the plan into practice
“This would never work for you,” Kris said when she and I discussed this concept. “You shop all the time.”

She’s right. Since I started working from home, I find myself at the grocery store several times each week. For example, I might crave a rotisserie chicken for dinner, so I head to the store to indulge my whim. While this sounds nice, it’s actually costing me more money.

I’m indulging my whims, which tend toward more expensive foods.

Each time I go to the store, I tend to buy extras. That rotisserie chicken turns into chicken and a bottle of wine and a loaf of bread, for example.

We’re wasting more food. I’m not eating leftovers, and sometimes (I’m ashamed to admit), I let other food expire.

Could Kris and I get by shopping just once a month? We’re willing to give it a try. She and I have agreed to start by cutting our trips to twice a month (with a supplemental weekly run for milk and eggs). If this works, we’ll make them even less often. The most difficult part, however, will be restraining myself from those quick trips for impulse meals.

Update: Many readers are concerned about how once-a-month shopping would affect their supply of fresh fruits and vegetables. Here’s what Steve and Annette say in their book:

Limiting our trips to the store means that certain fruits and vegetables must be eaten earlier in the month because they are more perishable. Grapes and bananas usually last a week. Once they’re gone, we move on to other fruits. Pears, lettuce, cucumbers, and peppers can last two weeks. Apples, cabbage, radishes, oranges, and celery can last a month.

We are often asked about storing bread, cheese, and milk. How could we possibly make those last a month? Well, we carefully freeze all three.

You should do what works for you. Kris and I are going to try twice-a-month shopping; the key idea is to reduce the number of trips to the supermarket.

I was so excited to see you put this book on your site! I picked it up quite a while ago and fell in love with it. I have read quite a few of these types of books and by far this is the one that is most practical to daily living. Easiest to carry out.

My favorite thing is using scads and scads of coupons for sale items and getting them all for free. The checkout gal is always stunned at the total of my bill and she has started to recognize me now when I come into the store. A few times she has had me put up the “Next register Please” sign after me on the conveyor belt because the coupons take a minute or two extra. But for us it’s worth it. To have our grocery budget whittled down to peanuts.
We only have one wage earner in the household and this month we were slapped with a letter from the bank saying we owed $800. It was not the end of the world (it pinched a bit) but we were able to pay it because we cut corners with coupons ans live below our means in so many ways.

Sorry that got a little lengthy:)
Your site is great, keep it up! I enjoy it every day.

We actually buy most of our food from a store (building 19 to new englanders)that buys and resells stuff from other companies problems (bankrupcy, flood, etc). When they have something nonperishable that we’ll eat, we buy all they have. We’ve been known to buy 20 lbs of pasta at a time there, cheaper by far than anywhere else. The catch is it may be months before they have anything else we want, or they’ll have something that looks interesting, but we’re not familiar with (bean threads anyone?)

The discount rack at the grocery store is much the same. Sometimes there’s stuff we eat a lot of, and we clean them out.

Typically, we have a stash of stuff we use often, which we get mostly at deep discount, as mentioned above. The downside is that we can’t replenish it at the same price at will — if we run out, we have to use another staple (rice for pasta for example) or actually pay retail price (cheapskate new englander, hate to pay retail). We got a chest freezer for the special sales (corned beef at half price at St Paddy’s day, for example, never as cheap any other time of year here).

We go to grocery stores each week, but typically just buy the loss leaders and whatever we want on the discount rack, and sometimes fresh produce. Most produce we eat, at least in summer, is from the garden. Before we bought our house we bought this stuff mostly at farmer’s markets. Have lots of frozen tomato puree from the garden (about 10 gallons) to simmer over the woodstove for sauce this winter.

It’s difficult to give a weekly food budget as the hoarding technique causes it to fluctuate greatly from week to week, but it’s approximately $50-75/week for me and my wife by these and the usual techniques.

Its funny, I immediately thought you would still make a weekly trip for fresh stuff. I didn’t even think of it as an amendment.

It seems a lot of people have locked on to this one detail, could it be because its a convenient excuse? Surely the whole idea is that some of your consuming will have to be sacrificed. This is a good thing yeah? Consume less, reduce your impact on the world. It isn’t going to happen if we all sit around say it wouldn’t work for me because…..

My family is going to give it a go, there is a farmers market not far from where I live on Saturdays we can go there for our fresh stuff once a week without having to face the temptation of potato chips and chocolate bars.

Fresh fruit and vegetables for me (organic farm and grocer) and fish. I could not care less what it costs. I have Type 1 diabetes and I get to eat only 3 times a day and the amount of carbohydrates I get to eat is limited. So … skimping on food is just stupid to me.

I started doing this recently and it has saved us on average about €150 a month. We don’t have a car (Brussels has good public transportation) and I was getting irritated at having to cart all the heavy groceries back to the house. I started by ordering only the heavy stuff like milk, juice, canned goods, etc. but then decided to get everything that we will eat for a month (except fresh which we get at the Sunday market – we’d go there anyway for a weekly pastry). Then it is just a matter of doing inventory. The delivery charge is only €4 (or free if you order over €300) and then I usually tip the delivery person a little as well. In fact, this is one of things that has helped us organise ourselves into weekends where we have nothing to do.

Back when we lived where we had a garage devoted to storage, a second refrigerator and a second freezer, I did monthly shopping all the time. And for feeding my family of 7 it was great. I was even able to order from a health-food co-op and get organic foods for grocery store prices. But now that we’ve moved to a smaller home and lost our storage space I am using other strategies instead. I do insist on weekly fresh fruits and veggies, and get them from a CSA program (community supported agriculture) where I save a bundle on organically-grown-picked-today foods!

I find I do NOT save by going to multiple stores unless the price of gas is under $3.27 a gallon. Took some pretty fancy calculations to get there, but that’s the fun part of my job as CFO.

One way to get fresh fruits and vegetables regularly without grocery trips is to sign up for a home delivery service like bostonorganics.com – I’ve been using this for almost a year, and I love that the produce comes right to my door and is the same price every time.

To cut down on milk runs, check the expiration dates – we’ve found that Stoneyfield milks tend to have a full month of shelf life, so we buy a few each trip.

Great post! I’m a once/week shopper, but would LOVE to do it less often because I just hate it. I actually recently cut myself back to once per week from stopping here and there to pick up whatever I was craving for dinner, because I was wasting a lot of food and money.

Here’s a short article I wrote about the grocery shopping rules I’ve recently adopted:

Joel – your post about month old apples made me smile. How old do you think the apples are that you buy at the store? There is about a 2 month apple harvest in each hemisphere, so 8 months out of the year the apples you buy have already been stored for months. This is an example of how out of touch most of us are with our food supply.

I shop about every other day at the grocery store with my boyfriend. We are both pretty disciplined and have found that if we try to do even a week’s worth of shopping, things end up spoiling or going to waste. We generally buy enough for one or two meals, average cost of a trip for us is between $5 and $10. I’d say we spend about $40-50 a week on groceries.

The result is that we have hardly any food in the house at any given time, even snack food. I have gotten out of the habit of boredom-munching.

Dana, I’m curious how you have time to go to the store that often? I realize that I’m bit more booked up than many people (work full time & part time student and my partner is very busy in law school) but if I go to the grocery store after work I always end up standing in the longest slowest moving lines so that I spend 30 minutes getting items for one dinner versus my hour to hour & 1/2 weekly shopping trips early Sunday morning where I get enough food for 7 breakfasts, 5 lunches and 7 dinners, I would think shopping several times a week would kill me for time.

I guess if you have a partner that helps out with grocery shopping instead of actively avoiding it it would be helpful.

What I was trying to do when I was the stay-at-home parent was make rare big shopping trips, and then make smaller shopping trips to speciality places in between where temptation is smaller – like produce stands, farmer’s market, corner stores, etc.

Also, walk to the store and back when possible – carrying the goods, or pushing them in the bottom of a stroller, will make you more conscientious about what you buy. Frequent small trips can work great if you have to walk 5 or more minutes carrying the stuff once you leave the store.

I’m honestly puzzled that so many posters think good fruit and vegetable nutrition is unattainable without buying “fresh” produce from the store every week.

What about …
* Canned pumpkin? (lots of great recipes out there for pumpkin bran muffins, pumpkin soup, and other goodies)
* Dried figs, prunes, raisins, cherries? (satisfying for the sweet tooth in moderation)
* Frozen chopped spinach? (super-easy to scramble into one’s eggs in the a.m.)
* Frozen fruit like blueberries and peaches? (throw as-is into cold or hot cereal or whirl into a smoothie)
* Canned tomatoes? (too many savory ideas to mention)

Also, to get super-fresh green stuff without going to the store every week, try growing your own sprouts. We’ve done alfalfa and mung bean sprouts with no trouble; there are dozens of other options including clover, sunflower, lentil, and broccoli sprouts. It can take some sleuthing to find a source for sprouting seeds, but they store in the pantry for a long time.

The store is right on the way home for us. We live in a very rural area, so there aren’t ever many people at our local supermarket, and we both work at the same place, so ride together everyday. Generally the ride home consists of us discussing what to have for dinner, we brain storm what we have in the house already, then we stop for a couple things.

Example, two nights ago we knew we had chicken, water chestnuts, onion and a stir fry sauce in the house, so we stopped to buy a bell pepper and some rice noodles (total: $2). We go to the service counter if there is a long line, no one ever thinks to go there to check out, and if you have only a few items its totally acceptable.

Another thing we tend to do is get a bunch of meat and freeze it and then buy the veggies throughout the week.

This weekend tho, we have decided to try the meal-planning thing, we’ll see how that goes!

Here in Portland the store I prefer to frequent offers online shopping. For 4.99 they will physically pull the items off the shelf; all I have to do is pick them up.

At first this seemed really indulgent but I did it so I could fit shopping into a hectic schedule. I quickly realized that I was actually saving money because I was buying only the items on my list. Additionally, the site has a feature that sorts items by price allowing me to easily choose the most affordable.

Since I have limited time and limited storage space this has become my ideal mode of shopping. I do it twice per month and am probably saving $30-40/month after the $10 fee.

I have used this once a month shopping to go along with my once a month cooking. It worked out well for hubby and I. I spent less money on groceries and when I cooked and froze everything, I didnt have to worry. One thing the book lists is that you can freeze milk. Hubby and I do this and it tastes the same as fresh (2%). We were buying it on sale for less than $2.69/gallon when everyone else was paying $3+/gallon.

We dont do this every month, but a couple times a year.

We have a set budget of $250/month. Mainly going to the store twice a month.

Ok, it’s so very hard to stick to that kind of budget. Yes, I believe that a person can really spend more money in the long run by entering the store multiple times per month- but the question remains do you eat all the food you buy and not waste? That really seems to count more than saving.

I’m sure other people have written this, but I shop twice a month. I plan meals for two weeks at a time. I buy both fresh and frozen produce, since frozen is just as good as fresh, and is better than old produce, which continues to lose nutrients. I have a fridge with adjustable humidity drawers and that helps fruit last longer. Also, I portion out the fruit. For example, I’ll put three pears in the fruit bowl on the counter and keep the rest in the fridge, where they don’t ripen as fast. I also have a deep freeze, so when I find things we use on sale, I buy a few packages and then freeze them.

We eat leftovers, although I try to repurpose them, since my hubby doesn’t like leftovers. And we do sometimes end up making quick trips for milk or a forgotten ingredient, although we try to limit that as much as possible. I’m interested in this freezing milk business. I’ll have to look into that.

I also always, always, always go in with a list. Even if I forget it at home, I sit in the car and write out what I can remember.

By shopping twice a month instead of every week, I save about $100 a month. The time savings is good, too, since I spend a couple of hours planning out the meals and putting together my coupons and whatnot, but then I don’t need to think about it again for two weeks (I’ve even stretched the two week meal plan out for three weeks, if we ended up with more leftovers or our evenings were too busy for sit-down dinners – if that happens we definitely make a quick run for milk). And not having to go to the grocery store all the time with my kids in tow is so nice!

I shop once a month at the supermarket, then weekly at the farmers market.
Then each week is just a challenge to use all my lovely fresh veggies!
We used to do weekly grocery shops, and switching to monthly probably saved us around 30-50 a month. Mostly I just use that money to buy better quality food (more salmon!).
But our food budget is $70 a week for two anyway, so I’m not interested in cutting it further.

We shop based on sales, whether that turns out to be once a week or once a month. A lot of sales around here reflect local ethnic food traditions, so we stockpile certain foods around holidays when they’re dirt cheap.

I also love shopping late at the 24-hour grocery. All the fresh counters and sample stations are closed, so there’s less temptation.

I know it saves money to shop less frequently, we’ve pretty much proven it. I am now a list shopper and quite disciplined to only buying what is on my list even if it means we have to wait till the next trip to buy it. I tend to do a mix of monthly shopping and weekly shopping.

We get paid monthly, so the bulk of what we buy is purchased just after pay day. This is when we go to Sam’s Club, and stock up on staples at Walmart. The weekly trips are more for milk, bread, produce and little things we run out of along the way. We always have a list though, and we seriously avoid impulse shopping.

As for those who say they can only eat fresh veggies, they must never have tried frozen. Any good gardener freezes things. We plant enough to have fresh stuff on hand during the summer, but we always have more than we can eat, so we freeze the rest and use it during the winter. Talk about saving money! And we certainly couldn’t let all those fresh home grown veggies go to waste!

If you can get stuff from the farmer’s market great! But I know our farmer’s market are not open all year round, again this is when freezing food is so important. You buy the best fruits and veggies from the farmer’s market and buy plenty so you can freeze it and have the quality produce to eat during the off season! This is the next best thing to growing the stuff yourself.

Veggies from the grocery freezer isle are much better for you nutritionally than canned veggies, and they lose very little in flavor and nutrition when they are frozen. But most people don’t know that they are also better than some of the fresh stuff in the grocer’s produce section. If you shop from the grocery store produce section you can guarantee that the produce was harvested prematurely, which robs the food of its nutrients. The frozen veggies are actually allowed to ripen fully then frozen, so they actually have MORE nutrients than some stuff you buy in the grocer’s produce section. Buyer beware!

I have to agree with what several others have said with respect to produce. I’d say my diet is considerably more healthy than that of the average American – so stocking up on frozen peas and shelves of aluminum cans is out of the question. I will typically divide my shopping trips into 3 categories:

1 – “Big” shopping trip (about once per month). This will typically be a trip to a Costco or Sam’s club or similar store. The purpose is to buy mostly non-perishable items that are well priced in bulk. You just can’t beat the price of things like rice, pasta, and toilet paper in these “big stores”. Meat is usually a good deal here as well. These stores can equally be dangerous for impulse shopping though so I always go with a list and stick to it.

2 – Weekly staples: For the most part this is the same list every week. It includes milk, eggs, bread, lunch supplies, cereal, etc… I stick to the list but if I run across something from my list on sale I will stock up on it. Monthly shopping wouldn’t provide as many opportunities to stock up on “staple” sale items since sales usually change weekly.

3 – Produce. Shop your local farmer’s market. I find often produce at the farmer’s market at the side of the road is less expensive and of higher quality than what is found in the grocery stores. You can go to the farmer’s market anytime since there aren’t any impulse items to distract you.

This is money-saving advice I will not follow at all. We are fortunate to live within walking distance of two small groceries, a produce market and a health-food store. We walk to a store 4-6 times a week to pick up food, and we definitely eat more fresh food than I did growing up with a mother who shopped once a week (and always bemoaned her lack of organization, citing people like in this post). We always use a list, so we very rarely buy something on impulse (unless we see that a staple is on special).

Going to the grocery store once a month is just not practical. Besides, I can save more by doing the Grocery Game. Check out the message boards at http://www.thegrocerygame.com/. It will give you an idea about how the system works.

I shop once a week and carry my groceries home. I have found what helps the most is for every item I buy, I ask myself “Am I going to eat it this week?” if not, I don’t buy it. Although I may be saving less because I only buy a couple of apples at a time, I find that I buy a lot less items if I get rid of the mentality that I need to “stock up” for the month or a couple weeks.

For those of you who are concerned about eating month old vegetables in contrast to “fresh” vegetables from the grocery store, do some research about the shipping practices of produce. Much of it is nearly that old when you get it. Furthermore, many fruits and vegetables, like cabbages and apples, can last for an entire year if properly. How do you think our predecessors lived out the winter without dying of scurvy and malnutrition?

I can’t believe how many people are so misinformed and full of excuses. “This idea sucks ’cause I stick to my list/only spend a certain amount/I’m vegan/you neeeeed FRESH fruits and veggies!!!1!”

It was proven many moons ago that fresh-frozen and canned produce is just as healthy as fresh. Surely someone other than me caught that news flash? And I don’t know why so few are able to admit they don’t like this idea because it’s different from the way they shop. Nothing like asking Joe Public to think outside the box to get people’s noses out of joint.

DH and I shop together once a week. We both work near grocery stores and end up picking up extras at least twice per week each. But I’m not going to pretend this somehow negates the once-a-month shopping regime like about 70 people in this thread. I’m not that arrogant. It’s a good idea, and guess what? Produce such as apples, oranges and celery DO last a month or more.

Yes. Apples and celery and oranges can last a month. Personally I prefer a bit more variety. You go ahead and eat a month old banana or cantaloupe(some of the most nutritious fruits on the planet). Let me know how that works out for you.

Again – I like the recommendation in this post for most items but for produce I prefer to shop more frequently and from local farmers markets.

I’ve eaten both bananas (frozen and used to make banana bread) and cantaloupe (frozen and used in smoothies) that were well over a month old and they were totally delicious. :3

Having all your favorite fresh produce available every day out of the month isn’t a need; it’s a want. And if you choose to spend your money on those wants instead of others, that’s cool, but it’s a want nonetheless.

I’m planning to try shopping once a month. I tend to stop at a store several times a week and not only does it waste gas but it also wastes money and time. I have a plan together, been clipping coupons, I’m getting a menu together and am planning on shopping the last day of this month to last all next month. As far as fresh produce goes I grew up without it and still ate well enough. I’m not going to go without completely if I don’t have to but the last few weeks of the month may just be hard.
I’m hoping to save some major money, learn to cook better for myself, and realize that all the extra things I think I need like a soda here or a magazine there, really aren’t needs at all.
Thanks for this post. I’m inspired!

I borrowed this book from the library. Their monthly shopping is frugal fantasy date night for Mom & Pop. After this major monthly shop, the family spends the next day prepping a month’s worth of delious homemade meals together. The menus are terrific and substantial. Plus cook and prep day are family affairs where everyone pitches in. Great skills.

The Tightwad Gazette vols.I, II & III by Amy Dacyczn still is great for learning to get best value from your time and money much like this family.

The key to not making impulse buys is not shopping on an empty stomach. If I’m hungry I will buy all sorts of snacks and ready made (and generally more ‘unhealthy’) foods while shopping.

I walk to the shops so a monthly buy is out of the question, but taking a small backpack to put heavier things in – whilst geeky – is a great way to reduce the number of visits I make and saves the circulation in my fingers from getting cut off!

When I lived in the countryside we used to freeze perishables a lot – everyone knows frozen peas have more vitamin c in them than fresh peas!

As an easy way to shop less often and make less impulse buys, make everything you put in your mouth! No prepared foods makes for a much simpler shopping list. Of course you don’t make the ingredients, the produce and the meat if you eat meat. We joke at our house (and it’s true!) that I buy ingredients to cook with, while my husband buys food to eat right away. Our kids say “there’s nothing to eat” sometimes right after I’ve returned from shopping because nothing is ready to eat – it takes assembly and/or cooking! Michael Pollan, in his In Defense of Food, says something to the effect of “eat only what your grandmother would recognize as food.” (Or maybe great grandmother for the youngest eaters.)

There is only my husband and I at home now and I, too, shop only once a month. I have recently retired and I don’t like running to the store. What I do with some fresh veggies, like peppers, tomatoes, etc is dehydrate them when I buy them. I also use my foodsaver to divide meats up into portion size before I freeze them. By my calculations I am saving money, although I buy foodsaver bags.

If you have ever really dealt with farming, you would eat and preserve food to last all year. The only thing you would buy in the grocery were things you could not raise yourself. Sugar and salt being a good example. Pumpkins were a fall vegetable that would keep almost all winter (we always ran out). You just did not scratch the outer skin and kept them in a cool location (root cellar).

With my husband’s job I never knew when I would be having guest sometimes I only had a 20 minute warning. To the freezer I would go where I would have assemble lasagna, chicken pieces, homemade soups, vegetables, bread (even homemade) and cakes.

Yes fresh salad is good but homemade vegetable soup is also a good starter. Depending on where you live produces in not always the freshest. I know I have the habit of buying a candy when I shop as my weight went up I realized I needed to do something. I have reverted to less trips to the store. Not only have I saved money I have lost some weight also.

Buying fresh food “because it’s healthier” can sometimes be counterproductive. E g broccoli is frozen very immediately after harvesting, while the fresh variant may degrade on the way to the store, at the store and most importantly, in your fridge.

I do both, buying the frozen stuff in the off-season and the fresh produce when it’s cheap and doesn’t have to travel from the other end of the world.

I think all the different opinions about monthly shopping so interesting! I have been researching it because I live out in the middle of nowhere, and would really like to do my shopping in the city, which is an hour away. I have been buying things on amazon.com if they are things I already know I like, and if they are less expensive there. (I’m into health food type products) I would like to buy my non-perishables in bulk and also plan on buying better quality meat direct from the farmer once or twice a year. (BTW everyone needs to see Food Inc.) This way I waste a lot less time at the grocery store, which is more time I can spend growing actual ‘fresh veggies’ in my yard, or tending to my chickens (which love leftovers and forgotten fridge food) Also if you don’t have room or time for a garden, wouldn’t you much rather go to a local farmers market weekly than to a big box? Or get them delivered straight from a farm (CSA)? To say if you went to the store once a month you couldn’t have fresh food is ridiculous, there are so many better places to get your perishables! And for godsake stop buying those shelf stable boxed meals, its just wrong! lol

My fiance and I generally do 6 ‘big shops’ a year – one every 2 months, and any little things we might want we just buy when we need them, such as new fresh milk and bread once a week. I’d also like to point out we eat well and healthily.

The idea of doing a huge shop every week, or even every month seems crazy to me. So much money!

Ok everyone, I have been OAMS (once a month shopping) now for two years. I don’t usually use any coupons at all and still only spend what most people who go weekly shopping with coupons. There is no rule that says you can’t take mini trips to replace fresh veggies and fruits throughout the month. And also if you will notice they eat fruits and veggies that go bad first then eat the ones that last longer ( oranges, apples, celery) at the end if the month, no where on here did it say that they eat straight from a can at the end of the month. Don’t let your stubbornness to change the way you shop be judgemental towards those who have a system that works for them. Find one that works for you and your family while understanding that other people may have a different system….

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