1P5 could be damaging Cardinal Mueller with this story because it suggests that His Eminence did relay the contents of this conversation to an indiscrete lunch companion, and even in this post it goes unquestioned that Cardinal Mueller is a man who would do that. If he did not do this, and especially if he would not do this, then 1P5 is doing him a great disservice, albeit unintentionally.

Steve Skojec Mod Hidden One • 2 days ago

Sources told America that the Vatican was scheduled to announce the change at the head of the C.D.F. on Monday, July 3, but after the audience with the pope, Cardinal Müller returned to the C.D.F. and informed his colleagues that he was no longer head of the congregation. That news was quickly passed to media close to the cardinal and became public some hours later. For this reason, the Vatican decided to make the announcement at noon today.

Hidden One Steve Skojec • 2 days ago

Steve, it's a rather different thing for Cardinal Mueller to tell his coworkers at the CDF that he's done as Prefect than for him to allegedly give the entire conversation in detail to a lunch companion, especially when it paints the pope in such a negative light.

Steve Skojec Mod Hidden One • 2 days ago

Do you really find it implausible?

Hidden One Steve Skojec • 2 days ago

It doesn't have to be implausible for it to damage Cardinal Mueller.

Steve Skojec Mod Hidden One • 2 days ago

And he certainly does seem to think he has a career to salvage:
"When asked if he thought Pope Francis should discuss the dubia with the remaining three cardinals who signed the letter, he said: 'I would suggest that the pope entrust me with the dialogue as I have the competence and the necessary sense of responsibility required. I could moderate the discussion between the pope and the cardinals.'"
https://international.la-cr...

Hidden One Steve Skojec • 2 days ago

And, besides that, has it struck you that you have been arguing that the objective truth or falsity of a significant story doesn't matter? You are a Catholic. So am I. When we start thinking that the truth doesn't really matter so much, have we not just adopted one of the mindsets that at any other moment we would be striving to destroy?

Steve Skojec Mod Hidden One • 2 days ago

I'm actually not arguing that. It does matter. My point here is to say that setting aside truth or falsehood, the story isn't anything revealing, shocking, or new. This is all stuff we already know, which is why the report is credible in the first place.
Our sources stand firm that this is true. As I said in the piece above, if evidence emerges to the contrary, that changes things. Sadly, denials don't mean much when men have no honor and have no problem lying or obscuring the truth.
If this story is demonstrably false, I want to know, and I want to make that unequivocally clear. But I don't believe it's false, and I do believe it's credible. Make sense?

Hidden One Steve Skojec • 2 days ago

It makes sense. I stand by what i wrote about your post potwntially damaging Cardinal Mueller, however. I also want to ask what denial you would accept? Cardinal Mueller? Archbishop Gaenswein?

Steve Skojec Mod Hidden One • 2 days ago

Well, Cardinal Mueller contradicts himself and reality on the regular. Ganswein seems to think the papacy has bifurcated into a dual role.
If I were to accept a denial, I think it would be a retraction from the person who shared the content of the lunch conversation.

Hilary White Steve Skojec • a day ago

" Ganswein seems to think the papacy has bifurcated into a dual role."
People who think they are smart enough, powerful enough and entitled enough to make up reality out of their brains are not trustworthy sources, no matter how famous or how "high-ranking" they are.

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