What do you think, what did you think, um, was wrong about the way that many Americans thought about the Bakke case and Affirmative Action and reverse discrimination?

LUKE HARRIS:

Well, I found myself wondering why it was that Affirmative Action was considered to be a range of programs that never really discriminated against individual rights. I found myself wondering why it was that a range of programs that were conceived in response to centuries of brutal racial oppression in this country, ah, why these, why these programs, why the debate around these programs didn't focus on the perceived needs and the perceived rights of people of color and Blacks in particular. And I found it very disturbing that, ah, really the focus of the debate rather than, ah, the range of people that had suffered these indignities over time, rather than focusing on them, the debate focused on middle-class White guys like Mr. Bakke.