How about you keep ME out of this and keep this thread on track? I do not want to make this a flame war just want to inform people that there are other places that test software as well yet they are not getting the same results or bashing MSE.

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YOU put YOURSELF in it but yes back on topic

AVG does throw out a false positive every once in a while (I have had around 5 the whole time I have used it) Mainly I google the virus it says the file is. Gaming I have had zero issues with.

Now that MSE is integrated into the latest versions of Windows, the virus makers will focus on bypassing MSE first before any other AV software. It is just the way of life. They used to focus on Norton and McAfee first because they were the most popular, but now that MSE is built into Windows it will be the primary target. So of course it will fair worst against 0-Day viruses.

As for MS being sued for including it. I agree with TMM, it is only a matter of time. Yes, everyone with any sort of logic and computer know-how will say having a built in AV active from the moment Windows is install is a good thing. However, so is having an internet browser, or a media player from the moment the OS is installed. For most people, an OS without a browser built in or a media player built in is pretty useless. Most wouldn't even be able to figure out how to get a browser on the computer if it didn't come with it. None of that has stopped the EU from suing Microsoft repeatedly for including those features, and it isn't going to stop them from suing Microsoft for including an AV.

Its not MSE. Its Microsoft sir. They built in a anti-virus to the new OS. There is a LOT of money there that isnt going to security companies. Don't you find it strange MSE lost its certification its had since day one the month Windows 8 came out? How much you want to bet the EU will sue them?

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Calm down Jesse Ventura. Just because someone has found security issues doesn't automatically translate to some conspiracy to screw Microsoft. Good lord sometimes you fly off the lip about anything anti Microsoft.

Calm down Jesse Ventura. Just because someone has found security issues doesn't automatically translate to some conspiracy to screw Microsoft. Good lord sometimes you fly off the lip about anything anti Microsoft.

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I'm more like if Alex Jones and Ron Paul had a mentally challenged child.

Unless you view very dodgy porn and/or like clicking on random attachments in random emails, you don't need virus protection. So either way, don't worry about it.

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Generally this is true, if you stay out of the ghetto you're chances at remaining safe are increased. HOWEVER, there are plenty of legitimate sites that get hacked and hijacked that can infect you when visiting them. Not to mention the abundance of Java and Flash vulnerabilities. Having an A/V is just another security layer, (another being a firewall) for safe computing practices.

Reboots in 35 seconds flat, with a standard HDD. I'm a bit of an OCD tweaker. Using less than 100GB

MSE let a trojan through last month, but caught everything it tried to download. I got the trojan while looking up album art on google images.

I've also caught it turning it self off because it was 'out of date', apparently it was set to update sometime at night and turned itself off between the time the update was released and when it was downloaded. It wouldn't turn back on until I updated it manually because it wasn't up to date. :/

It's a good AV, and I've been using it for years without any major problems but I still don't feel it's really up to the level of some of the others. I'll probably end up switching to something else sooner or later.

MSE shouldn't turn itself off because it is out of date. It will turn yellow and warn you that you are potentially unprotected because it is out of date, but it should never turn itself completely off.

Though I never even give it the chance to turn yellow, I tell it to scan every day, and download the latest update before scanning. That ensures that the virus defs on my computer are always less than 24 hours old.

That is an old article, but it still holds true. I seem to remember reading an article recently about research showing religious sites containing more malware than legit porn sites. Though they pointed out the "free" porn sites tended to be infested with malware, it was only the pay sites that were relatively safer than the rest of the web.