Thursday, October 13, 2016

Jewish commentators are aghast that no one on the Left or the Right gives a damn about what they think or want anymore.

In a 2011 article published by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, politically conservative Jewish radio host Benyamin Korn reflected upon the scores of Jews populating conservative new media, concluding:Certainly there is another reason why Jews, per se, have attracted so little notice in the conservative new media: the change in American conservatism itself. Ethnically diverse and intellectually formidable, today’s conservatism is reliably pro-Israel, comfortably Judeo-Christian and for the most part promotes a nuanced social conservatism. In a movement that is credible and hospitable to American Jews, and from which the ethno-centrism of yore is largely absent, Jewish journalists will flourish.

At least until the rise of the alt-Right. Fast-forward five years and it would appear that conservative new media has turned on its own, with sites like Breitbart (whose former executive chairman now runs the Trump campaign) being used to weed out Jewish Republicans unwilling to toe the party line. Weird anti-Semitic memes like Pepe the Frog have trended among Trump supporters and an army of faceless anti-Semites has taken to Twitter and other social media outlets on Trump’s behalf. The anti-Semitism on the Right is so overwhelming in fact that many Jews have left the Republican Party altogether, receiving farewells that boil down to, Don’t let the door hit you in the tuchus on the way out.

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So, what of the political future of American Jewry? The one thing that 2016 has made clear is this: Jewish Americans are not welcome among the political elite on the Left or the Right. For the first time in my lifetime, Jewish Americans who make no bones about identifying as Jews, whether they are Orthodox in practice or Zionist in outlook, are being given the cold shoulder by the political establishment at large.

What is fascinating here is the total inability to connect the action with the consequence. The Alt-Right has risen to replace the conservative media because the scores of entryist Jews who filled it after William F. Buckley's purge of the Birchers transformed the conservative media into something that is close to the polar opposite of what it once was. And, of course, because so many of those (((conservatives))) are prone to writing propagandistic fiction, as (((Susan Goldberg))) repeatedly demonstrates in this short piece.

The Alt-Right is not the same as Black Lives Matter. That's an insanely stupid lie.

Pepe the Frog is not an anti-Semitic meme. Putting a swastika on Bugs Bunny doesn't make Bugs Bunny an anti-Semitic meme. The medium is not the message.

78 percent of Jews voted for Obama in 2012. There weren't "many Jews" in the Republican Party in the first place.

The anti-Semitism on the Right is not overwhelming by any measure. If Goldberg thinks it's overwhelming now, just wait until the next financial crash. If Jews were really as smart as they like to advertise, they would never have allowed Jane Yellen to be appointed Fed chairman, but would have insisted on the former head of the Chinese central bank taking the job, and the eventual fall. And they would have kept very, very far away from non-Jewish crooks like John Corzine

A conservatism that is pro-Israel instead of pro-American, "Judeo-Christian" instead of Christian, and "promotes a nuanced social conservatism" instead of promoting a staunch pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-child, pro-Western-civilization conservatism is of zero interest to pretty much everyone who isn't named (((Goldberg))) or (((Shapiro))). Neither immigrants nor natives have any use for it.

Jews are no longer welcome among the political elite on the Left or the Right because both sides now realize that their primary motivation, "is it good for the Jews?", is no longer of any benefit to the objectives of either the Left or the Right. Perhaps more importantly in the long term, the transformation from ideology politics to identity politics means there is no longer any more place for Jews in the Christian American tribe than there is for Christian Americans in the Jewish tribe.

Judeo-Christianity was never anything more than propaganda, but even if you can't understand that, you should be able to grasp that it is not a coherent political identity, being both anti-Semitic and anti-Christian.

However, it wasn't until reading Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order that the fundamental problem of Jews in the West became clear to me. (This was a little ironic in that the book has not, in the first 300 pages, even discussed the Jews.) What happened is that the West abandoned the kinship rules that govern the rest of the world as a result of the Catholic Church's actions in the early middle ages. But not being Christian, the Jews were unaffected by this transformation away from the extended family towards the nuclear family and the individual, and therefore they continued to play by the same kinship rules that the rest of the world has always played by.

These different rules, individual vs extended family, created an inevitable stress between the kinship and the non-kinship populations, which periodically flared up in the historical conflicts we all know. It may also explain the post-1965 attack on the nuclear family. So, the real problem now facing Jews in the West now is not anti-Semitism, the huge invasion of rival tribes that play by the same kinship rules, or even the way in which the non-kinship Westerners are beginning to abandon their traditional rules in favor of a synthetic kinship.

No, the real challenge for the Jews is going to be accepting the fact that their historical success primarily stems from playing the game on the easy coop level when everyone else with whom they were competing was going it more or less alone. In other words, what worked so effectively when the rivals were non-kinship Westerners is not going to work anywhere else in the world, and it is not going to work in a post-Christian West.

I'm not the first to figure this out, of course. The Learned Elders of Wye worked it out 10 years ago. And there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to fix this state of affairs or return things to how they were perceived to be. Once the percentage of the kinship share of the population rose beyond a certain level, it created an absolute necessity for everyone to begin playing by the same kinship rules whether they want to do so or not.

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What happened is that the West abandoned the kinship rules that govern the rest of the world as a result of the Catholic Church's actions in the early middle ages. But not being Christian, the Jews were unaffected by this transformation away from the extended family towards the nuclear family and the individual, and therefore they continued to play by the same kinship rules that the rest of the world has always played by.

I thought it was Protestant countries that pushed nuclear families and individualism as opposed to the traditional extended family.

I thought it was Protestant countries that pushed nuclear families and individualism as opposed to the traditional extended family.

They took it further, but they weren't the source. According to Fukuyama, it was the Catholic ban on cousin marriages combined with permitting female inheritance.

One theme of the book is the constant struggle to stop the powerful from favoring their extended families at the expense of the state and nation. The Islamic solution of creating a foreign slave elite is perhaps the most bizarre of the effective means.

How dry of a read is "The Origins of Political Order" anyway?

It's not dry at all if you read history, Fukuyama is a good writer. I've been very surprised by it, given my low opinion of The End of History.

Exactly....In retrospect, the non-kinship, anti cousin marriage culture created by the Church in western Europe created both the highest technological civilization in history and a fatal weakness that could be exploited by the rest of the world, which is clannish....Duality at its finest.

The number of pro-Israel, pro-Jewish (or indifferent to Jewish) people on the Right will dramatically decline after this election. (((They))) have really shown their fangs, and we'll see how that works out for (((them))).

Once the percentage of the kinship share of the population rose beyond a certain level, it created an absolute necessity for everyone to begin playing by the same kinship rules whether they want to do so or not.

Yep, exactly. I hate the idea of a kinship society, but the only way to get rid of it is to recognize kinship only with those people able to live in a non-kinship society.

I am of Jewish heritage (3rd and 4th generation American) and I grew up in an America that was 90% White and Christian. And you know what? I liked it that way. I was never offended by Christmas Pageants. I never thought "if they don't have a menorah at school, they can't have a Christmas Tree either". I was never offended by someone trying to proselytize me. That America gave the maximum amount of personal and economic liberty to everyone. I recognize now that I was and am an extreme outlier among American Jews, being a gun owning right winger. The question is, will the Alt-Right have me? Apparently not, because according to the Alt-Right I am not White. Interestingly, to BLM I am White and the enemy. Question: Can I keep my White Privilege Card, or do I need to turn it in? :)

Most American Jews are intermarrying, 70% at last count. It's by and large a rapidly declining community in the US.

Irrelevant. Their influence and desire to influence is not declining; and it's the influence and the negative effects thereof that will continue to draw the ire of their fellow-citizens, most especially when the SHTF.

Assimilation and the NAJALT defense will not save us, but only serve to exacerbate the situation.

In terms of Israeli in influence in the financial world, one should remember that the vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, Stanley Fischer, has dual American-Israeli citizenship, and was formerly governor of the Bank of Israel.

Wasn't there a Jewish newspaper article recently that basically said that the Jewish Right in the US had just committed political suicide? Their overreaction to Trump guaranteed no one was going to listen to them again and that it might end up hurting the Right's support of Israel as well.

Anyways, Goldberg's article is absurd in that no one forced Jews out of the Right. They pretty much took their ball and went home when everyone else said they wanted some different policies.

One theme of the book is the constant struggle to stop the powerful from favoring their extended families at the expense of the state and nation. The Islamic solution of creating a foreign slave elite is perhaps the most bizarre of the effective means.

Kinda sheds a different light on all the Diversity efforts of Globalists these days, eh?

@15 jews are too much trouble for the gain we get from the two good ones (although I hope Trump has some killer jewish lawyers), sorry you'll have to go back. You do have your own country, it even has a wall already.

Yes, I have mentioned the Vox conundrum before. In any case, I am not going to change. I do what is right for this country, whether it puts me in danger or not. Of course, I don't know who hates me more, the Alt-Right or the Left :-D

Your right rabbi b. Look, I live in the community and know all types of Jews but vd is dead on. I've never understood anti white anti Christian Jews that insist on staying in the US and not moving to israel.

"What happened is that the West abandoned the kinship rules that govern the rest of the world as a result of the Catholic Church's actions in the early middle ages.

But not being Christian, the Jews were unaffected by this transformation away from the extended family towards the nuclear family and the individual, and therefore they continued to play by the same kinship rules that the rest of the world has always played by."

You would love HBDchick, which deals with this topic extensively and comprehensively. https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/

A Jew, (((Sandy Newman))) from a Marxist Jewish-lead organization, "Voices for Progress" openly collaborates with traitorous Catholics like Podesta to subvert, sabotage and destroy the teachings of Christianity in the fullness of the Catholic Church.

"In 2012, Sandy Newman, founder of the left-wing group, Voices for Progress, asked Podesta for advice on how best to “plant the seeds of the revolution.” The revolution he sought was an attempt to sunder the Catholic Church. Newman, who is Jewish, confessed that he was a rookie at trying to subvert the Catholic Church. But he was determined to do so.

“There needs to be a Catholic Spring,” Newman told Podesta, “in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church.”

Fuck him & the near 80% of Jews who vote Marxist and play Global Multi-Cultural Citizen while engaging in over tribalism at the same time. If these bastards got a hint that there was some Catholic Cabal that was purposely scheming to attack the Jewish Faith or the Jewish People of course we would never hear the end of it http://www.catholicleague.org/podesta-must-now-be-fired/

I've never understood anti white anti Christian Jews that insist on staying in the US and not moving to israel.

Mine is the only comment here that appears to be the one you are referring to. You might want to reread my comment. I am not anti-Christian. In fact, I miss the country I grew up in which was 90% White and Christian.

And so do I. That does not make it my country. It just makes me a welcome guest residing here at the pleasure of my host. Your problem is that you are suffering from an identity crisis. That much is clear.

As an evangelical who was raised evangelical much of my circle are still that variety of Christian Zionist who believe the tribe still has a special relationship with God what with that miraculous conquering of the Arab tribes in the mid-20th century. And that all hatred of them is demonic and irrational, and that criticism of them if creepy and racist. I haven't had time to look around but does anyone here have a sense of or a source on whether that sort of theological filter is changing with that particular demographic?

The Alt-West and Alt-Lite are fairly open to anyone who actually believes in Western Civilization and the things we need to do to restore and preserve it.Aside from the fact I'm 100% white, because I'm of East European origin, a Catholic, and my ancestors were minding their business in the old country when Lincoln's war was going on, I don't seem to be welcome in the alt-White and the alt-White is further split between a Protestant and Odin wing.

At this point, I can only state the first rule: Winning. Except for someone actively doing things in a way that will lead to a Cuck like "lose but keep pure principles", I welcome everyone fighting the progressives, the political elite, and the rest of the corrupt, crony structure. Once that is defeated, once we take the castle, we can worry about who gets which room in it.

I am going to say something that my fellow Ashkenazi Jews will not want to hear. They are not descended from the ancient Hebrews. They are eastern converts from the early middle ages. Obviously there are descendents of the ancient Hebrews walking among us. If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it was the Palestinian Christians.

@41 The good Rabbi B is not here because we don't want him. I said this back in 2014. "Messianic Jews" could be accused of having dual loyalty. That's my take. It's like claiming to support "Judeo-Christian" [fill in blank]. It's anti-Christian and anti-Jewish, as Vox and others point out. The State of Israel looks askance at Jews who profess Christian beliefs, something I support, even if one is halachically Jewish.

I believe he and all similarly wayward Jews will come around eventually (and then be welcome with open arms - we are kind).

The question is, will the Alt-Right have me? Apparently not, because according to the Alt-Right I am not White. Interestingly, to BLM I am White and the enemy. Question: Can I keep my White Privilege Card, or do I need to turn it in?

Who cares? Ironically, that's your Jewish kinship side talking. You do better when you talk about doing what is right than expecting people to turn a macro-societal level issue into something about you.

The general historical rule is that you will be swept up in the larger societal trend. What you do, think, and say as an individual is totally irrelevant in a time of identity politics. That is the tragedy of these things, but it doesn't change what has happened before or what will likely happen again.

I don't worry whether the Alt-Right will accept me or not. I do what I do because I believe it to be the right thing to do. In the end, that is all one can do anyhow. Don't worry about what others think.

@40 - Generally no, the neo-Israel evangelicals are still around and although some support Trump, many still see Israel as sacrosanct (Including a few Catholic converts that have kept that opinion).

My one worry about the Alt-Right is something I predicted before the Rapefugees came in - that the next target of dehumanization after the unborn would be the Muslims. I've heard it referred to as "The Bubba Effect". It is not because they aren't our enemy, but it is hard to kill someone you consider human. That's why they never show the women the ultrasounds, it looks too much like a baby for 95%. And why we made up names like Krauts, Nips, Gooks, Hadjis for our enemies in the various wars and "police actions".

Only Christendom is strong enough to support the right. The NR purges of the Christians were basically a series of chopping down the support pillars until the building finally collapsed. Meanwhile those purged have managed to start rebuilding, and it might still be a tent instead of a stone building, but it is sheltering the defenders of the Right.

Jews often do a version of SJW entryism. They come in, then insist on changing Christian to Judaeo-Christian, Americanism to multiculturalism, and the rest, but insisting the values are the same. 10 commandments and the Torah. But they really aren't, and the Christian foundation isn't broken and doesn't need fixing or expanding.

You are by no means alone, there are a lot of mixed bloods and full blood Jews like you. Oddly enough the common element seems to be 1) military service as enlisted and not as a lawyer or doctor officer ass class, 2) Gun enthusiast 3) I think you can guess......

Solution to your problem (and for your kids)

1) Do not discuss being Jewish with non Jews. If a difficult subject comes up do not reference your background but deal with any issue from principle, not identity.

2) Be a US patriot.

3) Do not try and stand out in any organization, but allow yourself to rise only as far as the folks with whom you are congregating encourage you to rise to.

4) If you are skilled in an area, use that skill to extend your range of influence but only by increasing positive interactions with folks.

5) Make sure you are a quiet person, to many gentiles urban Jews seem loud and pushy, do not be that chap. A careful study of the culture you live in and assimilation into that culture. That includes the wife, if needed instruct her and do not let her be a JAP. Not hard to do except for the last bit.

So for example if you are in a gun club and a skilled shooter/competitor, be the one to step up and run the newletter, help people with their equipment, do the activity no one want to take the time to do. Be the one to bring coffee and donuts to the shoot, etc. After a while they will come to you to ask you to assume official duties and you will not only be accepted into the fraternity but your religion will not matter.

My experience has been that if you show no outward show of emphasizing your identiy, are a decent chap and do not have a chip on your shoulder expecting rejection, you will find American Christians to be a really nice bunch of people. If shit does hit the land, I very much doubt we are going to be "progromed" as long as the Christians are around. US passports do not have religion marked and many gentiles are circumcised.

Not in any way showing Rabbi B any disrespect, but for gun-oriented/Mixed marriage/Messianic Jews Israeli is not the way (HaH.. Christian pun there)

Shimshon wrote:@41 The good Rabbi B is not here because we don't want him. I said this back in 2014. "Messianic Jews" could be accused of having dual loyalty. That's my take. It's like claiming to support "Judeo-Christian" [fill in blank]. It's anti-Christian and anti-Jewish, as Vox and others point out. The State of Israel looks askance at Jews who profess Christian beliefs, something I support, even if one is halachically Jewish.

I believe he and all similarly wayward Jews will come around eventually (and then be welcome with open arms - we are kind).

So is Judaism a faith or an ethnicity? If it is a faith how is it that so many Atheists and Godless progressives embrace their Jewish identity, and if it is an ethnicity why then are Messianic Jews born of Jewish stock prevented from returning to Israel?

—“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”—

"Once the percentage of the kinship share of the population rose beyond a certain level, it created an absolute necessity for everyone to begin playing by the same kinship rules whether they want to do so or not."

This fact is what most of the punditry, especially (((they))) don't understand. The world has changed and it isn't going back to the way it was anytime soon. Identity>Ideology. It doesn't matter what your ideas are, until you are in a relatively homogeneous society no one can afford the luxury of engaging in that conversation.

Robert What? is falling into the same error others have made with claims of how they are a special snowflake.

I was not mentioning it to wave it in people's faces. I was mentioning it because I am an odd duck: a ((right-winger)) who supports the Alt-Right. I thought people would appreciate hearing my unique perspective, but I was wrong. I'll keep a lid on it in the future.

If it is a faith how is it that so many Atheists and Godless progressives embrace their Jewish identity, and if it is an ethnicity why then are Messianic Jews born of Jewish stock prevented from returning to Israel?

That is the 64,000 shekel question.

Many Jews throughout history have put their faith in false Messiahs right up to the R' Menaḥem Mendel Schneersohn, of blessed memory, and this belief has not disqualified those Jews from making aliyah.

If I have put my faith in a false Messiah, so what? I don't remember the Law of Return mentioning belief in a particular Messiah as a condition for citizenship.

I am also not a Christian, and putting my trust in the Messiah does not make me one. I am a frum Torah-observant Jew, born to a Jewish mother, who happens to believe that the Torah, the prophets and our traditions all point to the Messiah Who I believe has come and is coming again.

The nation of Israel should be embracing Jews like me, not discouraging them.

I actually think it is good to mention on this site, kick the crap out of their preconceived notions. I mean in the place you live. Anyway I think your posts are helpful, and I should have guessed you were a gun guy.

@55 Unknown, it's both. Jews are a nation, one could say the Jewish "religion" (the word is convenient but does not accurately describe how we see ourselves) is a cultural expression of nationhood. But an ersatz form of it that was necessary during exile (practicing Jews still consider exile to be in effect, even with the return of nearly half of world Jewry). The synagogue that a non-practicing Israeli Jew doesn't go to is Orthodox, for example. Heterodox movements here are far louder than their numbers, basically the hardcore atheist SJW set. They are foreign to Jewish nationhood, and will never gain any traction here.

@52 Rabbi B There is obviously nothing to discuss. But VP is a big enough tent for the both of us.

In the longer run we who descended from people west of the Hajnal line must think in kinship terms. That means a lot of things but for a start it means tribes like the Jews and Muslims and blacks don't get the same privileges within our nation. Because they don't believe in reciprocity. Because they "give" only conditionally. The same may apply to non-interbred Irish and Italians, at least Sicilians anyway.

Because they prefer their tribe to us, sooner or later, we must regard them as outsiders no matter how long they live with us, absent a lot of interbreeding.

Funny thing, this is how the Japanese deal with everyone else. There are genetic Koreans who are the 2nd or 3rd generation to live in Japan, speak Japanese, etc. but they are not and can not be Japanese. Because "Japanese" is in part a genetic condition, it is a bloodline issue.

Remember in uni thinking that when people start off a sentence like "we need to consider xyz" the most important thing was already assumed, that there was a great big WE to start with.

Look at the battles at the moment. Who counts as "we"? A religion unifies. But it appears that a stronger "we" has undermined Christianity to a point where its all but dead in Europe. Nobody my age or older is going to buy "come with us join Team White!" That'll happen when mooks start picking on us on mass and not the local fucked up, druggy, prossie, "teen" getting raped. (All those raped kids were social service types, hanging about street corners - nobody gave a fuck about them years ago why would they now).Western powers, human powers, have clearly manipulated "we's" for a long time through symbol control. Words really do matter. Hence why the UK Govt is going to start locking up memers on the internet. The memes and narratives really do work. They'll get put near the Muslims.

Great thing is that globalists really can't destroy technology that is necessary for globalism.

Don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, don't bother to play the "who is white/not white" game. It always devolves into the Judean People's Front v. People's Front of Judea nonsense -- which is why the so-called Alt-White will never get anything done. It just plays into the divide and conquer mode of operation, and a good bit of this activity is likely sponsored by the globalists anyway.

I know what's right and what's wrong and our society is wrong and increasingly wrong. I'll work to fix what can be fixed. Defend what is worth defending. You know these things too. Join us in fighting and defending what's right, true and beautiful.

Robert What? wrote:The question is, will the Alt-Right have me? Apparently not, because according to the Alt-Right I am not White. Interestingly, to BLM I am White and the enemy. Question: Can I keep my White Privilege Card, or do I need to turn it in? :)

Are you a white guy with some jews in the family woodpile, or are you a Jew living in America?

Then why keep insisting on your Jewishness? If you are American, be American, raise your kids to be American, and forget this Jewish identity nonsense. Or, admit you aren't American. You can still stay here as a respectful, well behaved guest - as long as you _are_ respectful and well behaved.

The idea that you can be two things at once doesn't make sense: penguins swim, but they still are fowl, not fowl-fish. Be American, or be Jewish, but don't play silly games - don't pretend to be both at once.

@57 AllynThis fact is what most of the punditry, especially (((they))) don't understand. The world has changed and it isn't going back to the way it was anytime soon.

What the (((pundits))) and (((leaders))) don't get is this: not only has the world changed, (((THEY))) changed it. By insisting that everyone else play by the English, west of Hajnal, rules while (((they))) played by their own, private set of rules, (((they))) created the current situation.

If (((they))) had just eased off a bit, had not insisted on near total control of entertainment and finance, (((they))) would not have worn out (((their))) welcome. But like nagging, harpy, control-freak feminist housewives (((they))) had to at least feel in control of everyone else. Everyone else's actions, and now everyone else's thoughts must conform to (((their))) ever shifting template.

Now the Saxons are getting pissed. (((They))) are a bit skeered, and if (((they))) want to know what happened, the nearest mirror will tell them (((who))) is to blame.

For the first time in my lifetime, Jewish Americans who make no bones about identifying as Jews, whether they are Orthodox in practice or Zionist in outlook, are being given the cold shoulder by the political establishment at large.

--"I was not mentioning it to wave it in people's faces. I was mentioning it because I am an odd duck: a ((right-winger)) who supports the Alt-Right. I thought people would appreciate hearing my unique perspective, but I was wrong. I'll keep a lid on it in the future."--

As a young Anglo-Saxon, I've noticed a shift and increased attachment to my kin in recent years that I haven't experienced before. Is this an instinct kicking in saying - war's coming, lines are being drawn?

"Jews are no longer welcome among the political elite on the Left or the Right because both sides now realize that their primary motivation, "is it good for the Jews?""

This is so completely wrong it makes you wonder if the person who wrote it did so while cleaning up their spilled bong water.

What is the evidence that Jews are not welcome among the political elite? Would it be their presence on the supreme court or in the congress or in the media? Have any be let go because they are jewish? No.

Further, the Alt Right "media" consists of some blogs and some loony bulletin boards.

Is the Alt Right plan to place their bet on wishful thinking? I think it is.

Robert - Turn the question around. America is a white, Anglo-Saxon, Christian nation. We have identified several groups, the majority (or powerful, influential, large minority) of which want to destroy America. Why should America allow any if the people who want to kill her to remain inside her borders?

NAJALT, NABALT, NAMALT, NALALT.We no longer care. If group identity is a weapon fit for our enemies, then it is a weapon fit for our use as well.

If you'd sincerely like to stay, you could convert to the Christian denomination of your choice, and then learn to be truly American.

Like the song says, we didn't start the fire, but when our house is on fire, we need to first remove the people spreading the gasoline around. You wear their uniform. It's nothing personal. We didn't check the politics of all the Germans and Japanese we bombed 70+ years ago, either.

The Israeli ruling which allows Jewish atheists to make aliyah to Israel while preventing Jewish Christians and Messianic Jews from doing the same is known as the Brother Daniel ruling.

Interestingly enough, the top rabbis of Israel said that such Jews should be able to make aliyah, since they are still Jews by Jewish law. It's the secular Jews who opposed it, because in good gamma fashion, they have to have some reason to feel superior to their Christian brethren.

I don't know why Christian Zionists don't put more pressure on Israel to overturn this ruling. My guess is that the Christian Right has been nothing short of spectacularly inept at activism and this is another example of it.

Speaking as an Orthodox Jew, I would prefer that my fellow Jews hold Christian beliefs rather than their current religion of Social Justice. But how about instead of doing a miserable job of getting Jews to accept Jesus, how about you first focus on getting Jews to accept Jews who accept Jesus?

Embrace the power of 'and'. Jewishness is both a faith and an ethnicity. It took me ages to learn this simple truth. Here's a shortcut - go ahead and ask the Jews what which it is. Think about how easy (generally) it is to tell if somebody looks Jewish.

And how do you define "host"? White anti-Semites? It's a pretty small group and certainly not the the full compliment of the "host".

Host nation. It is clear the Jews have been scattered to the four corners of the globe and reside among various nations. I am pretty simple-minded and my definition describes a general relationship between any Jew living outside the nation of Israel with their respective host nations.

I believe that we have been wrong to insert ourselves into the levers of power and influence within our respective host nations and that our desire to assimilate in hopes of being accepted and enjoying the same rights as the natives in the host nations has also been misguided at best.

These are just a few of the tragic fruits of forsaking G-d and His clear directives. We have not sought the welfare of the nations to which we have been scattered, but have, by and large, only clamored for what we determined was "good for the Jews" while ignoring what G-d and our Torah said was "good for the Jews."

What is good for the Jews? Service. Our sole purpose in life, our sole reason for being is to serve, our sole calling as Jews, is to serve. G-d first and our fellow-man second. And the service is not conditioned on how we are treated by those whom we have been called to serve.

We are reaping some of the fruits of forgetting who we are, not to mention our mandate in this world - wherever we may find (((ourselves))).

No, I think you misunderstand. We appreciate hearing different viewpoints. Living in an echo chamber causes problems of perception.

We simply don't care. The American experiment is individual liberties has failed, sabotaged from within. We wish to preserve the roots of the culture that created the noble dream. In order to do that,we have found that we must prune out the weeds and vines that are choking the precious tree of liberty.

We know what weeds look like, and what vines do. Don't be those things, and we'll get along just fine.

It's kind of like the gays. I don't care much what they do at home. It's when they start doing it in the street, and forcing school children to learn about their perversions and falsely say that they're normal - that is when I have a problem with them.

As a self identified Redneck, the Jewish problem is easily identified. Secular Jews are poison. Look at the societal disfunction nowadays. Secular Jews are ass deep in the middle. You see, Jews without the civilizing influence of religion are feral.

And the world is all out of use for feral Jews. Moses had a lot to say about that. Essentially, he said that they were to hard hearted to be worth anything. Nothing has changed since then.

White tribalism has returned because it's obvious that genocide is the alternative. Yes, the Alt-right is a hard swing b to the right. Because, white children deserve to live.

Put me in the Judeo-Christian camp. Jews developed the fundamental moral philosophy that was turned by the Jewish Jesus into the foundation of his new religion: the "law of love," that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Rabbi Hillel is the first to articulate, as Jesus would later say, that this verse from Leviticus is "all the law and the prophets." Jesus made a crucial addition, through the parable of the Good Samaritan, that the "neighbors" in this law of love are all of mankind, or at least those who are themselves neighborly (the Good Samaritan actually sets the bar pretty high), regardless of their group affiliations.

Christianity establishes this Law of Love (contrast to the Islamic law of hate, where Muslims are to be "merciful to each other, hard against the unbelievers," Koran 48.29) as the spirit that gives rise to all the old laws, and it declares that Christians are "now to live by the spirit of the law" (Paul in Corinthians if I am not mistaken), not by the letter of the law, even violating the Ten Commandments when love requires it (e.g. working on the Sabbath).

Judaism may not officially accept the full priority of the law of love but it is a hair's breadth away. Morally we are brothers in our non-group-exclusive way, opposite to the Muslims' group-exclusive "brotherhood" of endless mass murder until "all religion is for Allah alone" (Koran 8.40). Neither are American Jews a meaningfully kin-behaving group. They intermarry with non-Jews at high rates. They are nuclear-family focused the same way Christian families are. They form their friendships on the basis of opinion the same way Christians do and non-Christian whites of Christian-extraction do.

Thus I disagree with anyone who frames the current betrayal of American conservatives by a cabal of recently-conservative American Jews as a manifestation of a broader Jewish difference from Christian society. It is not a Jewish thing. It is just this particular cabal of rotten back-stabbing Jews. Do you know who else is trying to claim that this conflict is a manifestation of ethnic division? The rotten backstabbing Jews. They are trying to escape responsibility for their heinous actions by framing the conflict they have stirred as an ethnic group conflict, crying that those (like me) who now regard them like evil scum are just a bunch of anti-semites.

I answered this charge in my own comment on Susan Goldberg's putrid little article this morning. PJ media blocked it so I'll post it here instead:

What a disgusting article. No mention that Trump is wildly pro-Jewish and pro Israel, as are the vast majority of his supporters. We know who is on the front lines against Islamofascism and, unlike the rest of the country, we remember that we are in a shooting war with this moral sh!t of the universe.

As for the tiny fraction of the Alt-Right that is antisemitic, they have been greatly inflamed by the fact that there is right now AN ACTUAL JEWISH-LED CONSPIRACY TO STAB AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN THE BACK. The favorites of leading once-conservative Jews like Kristol, Jonah Goldberg et al. didn't win the Republican nomination so they are doing everything they can to sink the candidate who their fellow Republicans did select.

99% of those who are bitterly angry about this ACTUAL JEWISH CONSPIRACY (like me) are not the least bit anti-semitic. We are just bitterly angry at stinking pile of rotten scumbag trash who make up this ACTUAL JEWISH CONSPIRACY.

NeverTrump Jews need to stop lying to themselves that the anger at their betrayal of American conservatism is anti-semitic. It is anger at their betrayal of American conservatism.

Most of you seem to get it, but I'm having a little trouble understanding what is meant by "kinship society." Does it just mean a society in which the importance of family ties are greatly elevated in comparison to Western nations?

Thus I disagree with anyone who frames the current betrayal of American conservatives by a cabal of recently-conservative American Jews as a manifestation of a broader Jewish difference from Christian society. It is not a Jewish thing.

Rabbi B wrote:Our sole purpose in life, our sole reason for being is to serve, our sole calling as Jews, is to serve. G-d first and our fellow-man second. And the service is not conditioned on how we are treated by those whom we have been called to serve.Far too many of your fellows, and honestly far too many Christians, believe that they are specially favored by God, and their purpose is to be served by the lesser beings of the world, who are little more than cattle.

Alec Rawls wrote:Put me in the Judeo-Christian camp. Jews developed the fundamental moral philosophy that was turned by the Jewish Jesus into the foundation of his new religion: the "law of love," that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Rabbi Hillel is the first to articulate, as Jesus would later say, that this verse from Leviticus is "all the law and the prophets." Jesus made a crucial addition, through the parable of the Good Samaritan, that the "neighbors" in this law of love are all of mankind, or at least those who are themselves neighborly (the Good Samaritan actually sets the bar pretty high), regardless of their group affiliations.

You are wrong to conflate 1st century Jews with modern Jews. They are not the same religion and many, especially in the west, are not even the same tribe.Most of the 1st century Jews became Christians after the destruction of the Temple. These are the people who we now refer to as Palestinian Christians (most Palestinian Moslems are ethnically Arab).The Jews who remained, remained based almost entirely on their rejection of Christ. Their rejection went so deep that many rejected even the Torah, since, as any Christian could tell you, Scripture inevitably points to Christ. Instead they worked out their religious ideas in the Talmud. I have had religious Jews tell me that beside the Talmud, the Torah is just a collection of ancient books with little application to their lives. Because of how it is structured, the Talmud can be used to justify literally anything, including genocide.

@107. Today's reading (I'm a lector so glimpsed the Gospel) was the section of Luke where Jesus says the Woes: Luke 11 39-52.

Adding "Judaeo-" dilutes or perverts Christianity.

You might say it is only "some Jews", but then you have the same problem Christians have when they say the Episcuckoplaians that have a Lesbian Bishop aren't true Christians.

Judaism has been played as a Trump card (excuse the pun) associating the Holocaust, and guilt even for secular, atheist, even actual criminal Jews like Madoff. I noted the SJWs pointing and shrieking is merely the accusation of "antisemitism" extrapolated. As many suffered actual harm - often with the concentration camp tattoos - it was enough to give them a pass as an actual victim. But the franchise was diluted, especially when Blacks overused "racism" (Coleman Young as Detroit Mayor was corrupt and incompetent, and it kept getting worse until a later Mayor went to federal Prison but met all opposition with the accusation of "Racist!"), and then Feminists.

With all your Jewish friends playing the race card, any Orthodoxy is lost.

The problem is the late Sobran and living Pat Buchanan are philo-(practice)-semites, but anti-(racial)-semites at the same time. They keep flipping the definition from praxis to race as it suits them.

And your comment was blocked, but Jews won't create a needed civil war where they establish what they consider right and wrong, or split themselves. Rabbi Daniel Lapin is linked with Christians and has a "together" organization and I can't think of one clear condemnation of his fellow secular Jews. (much like police won't actually condemn rapists and murderers except to allude to an abstract "few bad apples").

Jesus called the scribes and Pharisees "A brood of vipers". And they often turn out to be the "Vicious Snake" Trump quotes. If you see red-yellow-black, do you know if it is the venomous snake? If Jews won't self-identify - or perish the thought - actually give more aid than they get - they are going to be relegated to a bunch of opportunists at best.

"Once the percentage of the kinship share of the population rose beyond a certain level, it created an absolute necessity for everyone to begin playing by the same kinship rules whether they want to do so or not."

This is how life behind bars operates. There's no "going it alone" or propositional grouping.

James Taranto observed that one JournoList contributor, Spencer Ackerman of The Washington Independent, stated "If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they've put upon us. Instead, take one of them – Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares – and call them racists".

As I explained, I see Judaism and Christianity as sharing very close to the same (correct) moral philosophy, where "all the law and the prophets" are seen as being animated by the Levitican "law of love."

As universalized by Jesus that law comes to mean acting as best one can for what there is to love in the world, or acting for most value.

I see Christianity as superior to Judaism in moral philosophic terms in a number of ways. It makes the priority of the law of love explicit and it makes its universalization semi-explicit. It also makes the concept of "Christian liberty" semi-explicit, where even the Ten Commandments are to be seen as rules of thumb that attempt to capture the implications of the law of love, rules that should themselves be set aside in the rare instance when love (correctly) requires it.

That Christian liberty, together with the free moral agency implicit in the Old Testament belief of being made in God's image, is what allowed Christianity to become the engine behind the creation of the American idea of a republic, established to "secure the blessings of liberty."

But Judaism did provide the foundation for these Christian advances, and it has largely followed them, in contrast to Islam for instance, which has followed the polar opposite, an explicit law of hate in contrast to the Judeo-Christian law of love.

To not allow that the law of love is Judeo-Christian is simply to deny the FACT that it comes from Leviticus. If the law of love is the fundamental essence of Christianity, if it is the "spirit of the law" that we are now to follow in place of the Old Testament "letter of the law," than how can anyone deny that this law of love is Judeo-Christian? Judaism created this law. Christianity asserted its priority and fleshed out its meaning. If that isn't a shared moral foundation then what is?

So I don't understand what VD means when he suggests that recognition of this shared moral foundation is somehow anti both to Christianity and to Judaism. It's just pro-reality.

Alec Rawls wrote:So I don't understand what VD means when he suggests that recognition of this shared moral foundation is somehow anti both to Christianity and to Judaism. It's just pro-reality.Despite the forest of verbiage, it's obvious you don't understand.Judaism is inalterably opposed to Christianity. Judeo-Christianity is a synthetic concept developed by Jews to pretend to share a philosophic or moral foundation with Christians.

The basis of Jewish Morality is "Is it good for the Jews?"The basis of Christian morality is "Is this in accord with the will of God?"

But Judaism did provide the foundation for these Christian advances, and it has largely followed them, in contrast to Islam for instance, which has followed the polar opposite, an explicit law of hate in contrast to the Judeo-Christian law of love.

That demonstrates an almost complete ignorance of Talmudic Judaism. There is no "Judeo-Christian law of love". Judaism is not Leviticus. Your logic is terrible.

I don't understand what VD means when he suggests that recognition of this shared moral foundation is somehow anti both to Christianity and to Judaism. It's just pro-reality.

You speak with a forked tongue. Read the two links. The rabbi tells you that it is anti-Semitism. The history of the term tells you that it is specifically and intentionally anti-Christian.

So, you are placing your own incorrect logic against both Jewish teachers and history. It's not "pro-reality" and it would be hard for you to be more wrong.

Moreover, the term "Judeo-Christian" was coined to indicate a Christian of Jewish ethnicity.

I think there is a misunderstanding between the abstract and the concrete here. In a concrete sense, no one on this forum should be excluding Robert What? or Rabbi B for being Jewish. If they claim to support all of these right-wing views and their posts are clearly not SJW entryism, then they should be accepted us, regardless of what some unknown number of other Jews have done.

This is like reading Ilana Mercer's articles at Unz review. She is sincere when she warns us about the South African experience. It is rude to throw her Jewishness in her face all of the time.

In the abstract, it may still be hard for Jews like Robert What? and Rabbi B because of the kinship changes in society so some precautions should be taken like making a bee-line to Israel if necessary.

I'll be staying right here in my own country, thanks. I certainly don't care who wants to question my status. I don't care if you want me and my family out of the country. Born American. Staying American.

First of all, that decision is mine alone. And yes, they are welcome here. But here is a purely abstract place, where tribes and blood don't matter and ideas do.

The real world is another matter entirely. Most people are ruled entirely by emotions and their behavior falls into predictable historical patterns. The USA has not yet reached the point of Europe, but the pattern that is unfolding is very clear. One ignores such things at one's peril.

But when Netanyahu's successor's successor repeats Netanyahu's call to the Jews in France, the Jews in America would do well to listen. The sojourn in America is likely to be considerably shorter than the one in Europe.

Berger wrote:I'll be staying right here in my own country, thanks. I certainly don't care who wants to question my status. I don't care if you want me and my family out of the country. Born American. Staying American.

@144 VDQuestion: do you think the 3.3 million Muslims in the USA are less anti-Semitic than the 4.7 million Muslims in France?

This rhetorical question brings up another way in which Actions have had Consequences that can be Noticed. Because apparently Tikkun Olam demands every tribe and tongue be imported to the United States, thanks to Muh Emma Lazarus! Inevitably this includes peoples who do not know what a Jew is, as well as those who hate Jews with a ferocity that may be genetic.

When American Jewish people wonder in a few years why so many more anti-Semitic "incidents" are happening, how so many anti Semites wound up in the US, once again the nearest mirror will hold the answer.

It wasn't us bitter clingers who imported all those jihadis. It was the ideological descendants of Cellar and Kennedy who not only fouled their own bed, but crapped it up for the rest of us as well.

Modern Israel was founded by Socialists, so American Jews who are looking for a place to go should feel welcome (being big supporters of Socialism themselves). If they will be welcomed in Israel now is another matter altogether.....

@147 The evangelicals have no answer when I point out that the UN-created Israel is a secular socialist state (pro-abort, fiat currency, etc.) that would collapse like we are seeing in Venezuela if we didn't inject billions of dollars a year.

Both Rubin and Stephens voiced their support for Clinton’s controversial assertion that half of Trump’s supporters are deplorable, unworthy of attention, un-American and irredeemable.

For their part, Domenech and Carney argued that Stephens and Rubin were ignoring the social and economic dislocation of the lower middle class. They argued that the suffering of members of this group has caused millions of Americans to feel betrayed by their political elites and turn to Trump to put a stop to a political game they believe is rigged against them.

Two-thirds of the way through the event, Carney brought up religion.

Carney allowed that many of Trump’s supporters are indeed bigoted. However, he said that “as a Christian,” he couldn’t accept that they are irredeemable because Christianity teaches that all men can be saved.

Rather than grant his point or simply ignore it, Rubin chose to respond in the name of Judaism. In so doing, she turned the debate into a contest between Christianity and Judaism.

Incorrectly arguing that Judaism does not believe in repentance as a road to redemption, Rubin pointed to herself and Stephens and said sardonically, “We Jews just believe in good and evil. We don’t believe that everyone is redeemable.”

The Christians won the debate in a knockout.

The problem with Jews is the same problem with Muslims today. Originally there were very few Muslims, and they were secular, educated, and assimilated. Now they are actively hostile. The Jewish Apartheid was happening during the attempts at integration in the 1960's - they advocated cross-town school busing but themselves moved across the city borders to prevent their children from being bussed for an hour each way to a black school, and as one talk show host said at the time "Jews just like to live together".

The problem with the social engineering and experimentation of the liberal Jews is it created a virtue-signal insult resistant neo-nazi.

Jack Amok wrote:Most jews in America can easily pass for White if they do two things:

1 - not have an obviously (((jewish))) name.

2 - don't continually yammer on about being jewish.

1 is easy, any courthouse can help you there. 2... well, 2 seems to be the tricky part.One of my distant ancestors apparently did this. The only time anyone generally hears of it is when I used it as an excuse to get away with telling Jew Jokes.

Even among kinship groups, the "how" kinships are expressed makes a great deal of difference. "Trust: The Social Virtues and The Creation of Prosperity" by Francis Fukuyama has some very clear examples of the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese societies, which are superficially similar but small changes in ow kinship is expressed make for very big changes in how business, society and wealth creation takes place.

This is also an interesting idea when you consider Americans are actually a kinship group of their own. In "Who Are We?", Samuel Huntington identifies the wave of settlers who created America can actually be traced to British Protestant Dissenters, and indeed from a small region in Britain.

Consider that Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders are all also nations founded and settled by the British, from different groups at different times and places, and these nations never evolved the political and social structures of the American people. Speaking as a Canadian, *we* really are different from the Americans, and many Americans who have interacted with Canadians, Australians and so on will probably agree there are many subtle but important differences in how we interact amongst and between ourselves.

"Question: do you think the 3.3 million Muslims in the USA are less anti-Semitic than the 4.7 million Muslims in France?"

Yes.

Well, in that case, you're clearly too stupid to be allowed to comment here. You're banned and spammed."

For what it's worth, none of the Muslims I work with have ever muttered anything anti Semitic to me. But I've gotten it from Christians. Many times. I was the "filthy Jew boy" for six months when we moved to Lincoln, NE.

But when you really hear the hatred is when they don't know you are Jewish and think you are like them. In my case I don't have a stereotypical Jewish name, so unless you are Jewish you wouldn't know.

In the end you always have to fight someone when you are young. That ends the blatant stuff. The ones who say anti Semitic stuff in front of you not knowing you are Jewish takes pointing out to them that you are. That usually stops it becsuse they are embarasssrd.

Steven Baum is an Albuquerque-based clinical psychologist who has been in private practice for over 30 years. He developed an interest in the psychology of genocide and then focused on the psychology of anti-Semitism during the next decade. He has published numerous articles and books on anti-Semitism, genocide and hate, and is the founder and editor of the Journal for the Study of Anti-Semitism.

“From the study, it became clear that the Muslims interviewed were more anti-Semitic than Christians in the United States and Canada. The average or mean test scores endorsing negative Jewish stereotypes – after statistically separating out anti-Israel sentiment items – were more than double those of North American Christians. When separating culture from religion, Arab Muslims came out as the most anti-Semitic. Arab Christians and Non-Arab Muslims from Bosnia and Pakistan were less so, yet still anti-Semitic. Mainstream North American Christians were not very anti-Semitic at all.

You're so not wounded that you have to blab off topic about your poor hurt widdle fee fees to strangers. I can never tell if you people are lying to yourselves unconsciously or us consciously. I suppose either way it's pathetic.

I very much doubt your statement. I have been around Christians most of my life, and I have never heard any serious anti-Jewish or Israeli hate.

Yeh a few jokes such as "maybe you can Jew him down" and semi-rude jokes if you chose to see it that way but not hatred. By the way I grew up in Redneckistan, and Redneck Christians are hardly Jew hating, nor are Catholics, nor are WASPS or Methodists, unless you view subtle attempts at conversion hate. And by saying redneckistan I am engaging in the exact same mild stereotyping some liberal mensch get themselves all tied up about, but fail to see when we do it. Every referred to someone as Goyim? By the way, once you engage in gentile male circles, you will find their jokes to each other are rougher than any supposed anti-Semitic jokes/cuts. It is part of how they kid and jockey for social position. It is hardly hate, far from it once they kid with you it is a sign you are in- group accepted. While in service until you had comrades who hassled you and you hassled them back, you were not quite accepted.

I recall as a kid (1970s)when synagogues were being bombed in Paris and reading about it in Newsweek, wasn't happening here in the US of A. In fact it was well into my early adulthood until I recall anti-Jewish rioting in the US, but the was in New York in crown heights by the schwartze. Today if you are orthodox or identifiable Jewish you dare not go out in public in many areas of France, and it isn't the Christians that are to be feared.

I too have a not identifiably Jewish name and used to hang out with a lot of gun touting US Germanic types. The guys that admire the WWII german army, re-enactors and all that. Never heard any such crap from them, though I have heard guys that doubted the holocaust, but not from hate, they were young and dumb.

I call you on this. What years did this Jew hating occur? Exactly how many Muslims were there in this Nebraska local or did you move to Michigan? I would suggest you do not understand male European bonding. Once you are in the group, a direct line of friendly insults/kidding are a sign that you are their friend. These Muslims that never joked with you because they did not view you as in-group and there culture has a different kind of social interaction model.

"I call you on this. What years did this Jew hating occur? Exactly how many Muslims were there in this Nebraska local or did you move to Michigan?"

We moved to Lincoln when I was 14. Dad was transferred from Chicago. I left in 1970 for New York. Spent the last 25 years in San Francisco, then recently in Nor Cal. I worked with a number of muslims. over the years, both here and in NY.

The boys in Lincoln were just idiots. And I took their "fucking jew boy" shit for a little. But not forever. Most of the other anti-semites away from NY and SF when I was traveling for work.

Please. Don't tell me that I misunderstood. I never said muslims weren't anti-semetic. It's pretty clear it exists. I'm just tell you what my life brought.

Lookie here, The good Rabbi is well respected by a lot of us here. He's a real straight up guy. Sam is a fine fella himself.This blog is an equal opportunity offender . You might need to get used to that or move on before ye are cast out ?And for Pete's sake enough with your bawlin', Dear Abby don't hang here.

But it's like the anti-semites at this website. You talk a game, but in the end, you do nothing but throw up brackets and talk of frogs. Frightening!!!

Oy vey, goy. The frogs and brackets don't botha us, but we are going to declare them hate symbols anyway, just to be safe...

The boys in Lincoln were just idiots. And I took their "fucking jew boy" shit for a little. But not forever.

It was horrible. At night, the Nebraskan Christians would storm into our shtetl in torch-weilding mobs and steal away any unsuspecting jewish children still out, forcing them to be baptized and accept communion laced with diesel exhaust, killing them instantly. One day they came for my father. I hid in the floor boards as they beat him to death with a crucifix while singing Holy Night. I'll never forget that night. January 17th, 1973.

"It was horrible. At night, the Nebraskan Christians would storm into our shtetl in torch-weilding mobs and steal away any unsuspecting jewish children still out, forcing them to be baptized and accept communion laced with diesel exhaust, killing them instantly. One day they came for my father. I hid in the floor boards as they beat him to death with a crucifix while singing Holy Night. I'll never forget that night. January 17th, 1973."

In the end, a couple of them just got their asses kicked. That's the thing about the various anti-semite. They are almost always big talkers and big pusses.

Look Berger, do you really think you're doing any of (((us))) any favors by whining about your experiences, especially on this particular post and at this particular blog? You would do better to find some common ground with the folks here rather than making more enemies just because you are unable to control your compulsion to pour out your (((experiences))) for lack of attention.

Well, you did responds so maybe the rest of the country is different. I am a northeastern mischling Yid, so I reflect what I see here.

Now I would suggest you do not understand northern European bonding and that you are a lot closer to sematic cultural background than European, so you get the Muslims and fail to get the Europeans interactions. It is not hate but social jockeying.

Typical example:

Guy in club: Hey Shlomo, did I hear right you are Jewish?

Me: yeh

Guy in club: Any family killed in holocaust?

me; Yeh, not sure exactly but the family story goes my grandfathers brother was at Auschwitz and he barely survived the camp liberation but died shortly afterward.

Guy in club: So did he fall out of a tower or something?

Me: What???

Guy in club: Well, he survived the war but not much longer, could be the case (said with grin)

Me: Fuck you Nazi boy....

folks listening: much laughter.

The fact is once the northern Europeans can kid with you without you getting your nose bent out of shape, then you are in group trusted. When they are polite, you are not. The correct response to such kidding/hazing is to respond in kind, with a grin.

Same thing was true of the Puerto-Ricans in service, once they started messing with you, you were in, as long as you could take it and did not walk around like you had a broomstick up your ass. In fact the joshing and level of insults in service made any joking in gentile social circles seem very mild and kindly. The same folks who insulted my religion were among my best friends ever.

Now having observed all this at the bottom of the social order up to NCO, there is a reason for this: it is a matter of trust and testing of same. Guys who can take insults without getting sand in their pussies are more likely to be trusted, that is just the way it is. A lot of training is to stress you and see how you react, can you be counted on when lives are at stake? the very worst of all were the combat vets, they would go after folks who could not take it and for a long time I thought they were bullies, until I realized the correlation. It is how they test you for acceptance.

Does that make sense?

In my experience with Muslim folks I never kidded like that. It is not part of their culture or sematic culture.

something to ponder, perhaps the gentiles can come in and confirm or reject this analysis.

"Once the percentage of the kinship share of the population rose beyond a certain level, it created an absolute necessity for everyone to begin playing by the same kinship rules whether they want to do so or not."

Nor does it really matter all that much. If G-d can restrain the madness of a prophet with a few choice words from a dumb ass, I think He can use my words from time to time. Dismissing me is one thing, dismissing the truth is something else altogether.

Rabbi B will make you think. Not saying he is right, but if you care to engage he will make you think.

Regarding the Christians, something I never learned when I was growing up but in reading of the Holocaust: the Nazi SS guys were not Christians, they were anti-Christians. Before the holocaust. Himmler tried to introduce pagan stuff to replace it in the SS, and the German army protested when the first SS units went through France in 1940, because they burned churches as they went. The NAZIs were not a return to Christian oppression of the middle ages, they were something new, something freed form the Christian limitations of how you get to a end.

There were lots of Christians in Poland who tried to help the Jews. It takes some time to figure out, but a lot of the oral law, Babylonian or Jerusalem was written in periods when the fear of Christians was paramount, today and for some time it has been the Christians who are on an individual and societal level righteous gentiles.

I do not fear the Christians, they are not killers. it is the folks who have abandoned Christianity, like the communists/progressives/utopians who are to be feared.

I would also say, do not leave, but stay. I have had VD personally rebuke me some time ago (of course he was entirely wrong.....)but this site is a bastion of politically-correct free discourse and you will be better off if you listen to the folks here. So of what they write is hard to take, but I prefer it to the leftist types who are so polite to your face, but secretly have hearts full of rage.