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Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

You are right, it's like betting on the superbowl and obama says he won't choose the Detroit lions to make it there cause they are losers, and forms a new team and picks all the players from wait for it....... The Detroit lions.....

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

I see how people can attack him for "politics as usual". It's an easy, lazy attack. Unless we have a dictatorship, there will always be politicing. Let's say he nominated a bunch of college professors instead. How loud would the drumbeat be that he is appointing a bunch of people without experience. Isn't that the knock on Panetta?

Now you're just grossly caricaturing those you're disagreeing with.

The argument is that Obama presented himself as a post-partisan candidate promising to change the way Washington works because Washington has been played the same way with the same players with the same results.

Why anyone would think he was saying anything other than that based on Obama's own campaign promises and declarations is beyond me and, imo, represents willful suspension of disbelief to do so.

Consequently, Obama is now reneging on the primary aspect of his campaign.

No matter who any President puts in their cabinet, people will criticize. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

The argument I have presented here doesn't have anything to do with the appropriateness of the selections. It has to do with a completely upheaval of Obama's primary characteristic as a candidate.

We'll see what Obama's policies will be. These people do serve at his pleasure. If he follows bad advice, the buck will stop with him.

There's no reason to wait and see on this question. He declared that he'd change the game by using new players. He's not.

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by aps

I definitely thought he meant change from Washington politics.

I want to clarify this statement. I think what surprises me the most is the fact that Obama is picking so many people who worked in the Clinton Administration. While I fully remember how well the economy was doing back them, to me, all those people are Washington insiders. I thought he would even provide change from the Clinton Administration (although Clinton was better at working with Congress than Bush was (for example, he would seek Hatch's approval of any judicial nomination before nominating that person, which is why people like Ginsburg and Breyer had no problem getting through the Senate)).

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Aps, just admitted that this change was not what was promised. And I find it disingenuous given my links of others to now monday morning quaterback and change what they said about this change to something that fits reality as opposed to what is reality.

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by aps

I want to clarify this statement. I think what surprises me the most is the fact that Obama is picking so many people who worked in the Clinton Administration.

Those of us who are criticizing Obama for reversing his pledge to play the game differently with new people are not surprised. I mean, who else is really available except staffers and appointees from the Clinton administration who possess the needed skills to run the Executive Branch? Answer: they're it.

While I fully remember how well the economy was doing back them, to me, all those people are Washington insiders.

That's attributing a whole lot of credit to that administration that I and many other people smarter than me would find a little more than generous.

I thought he would even provide change from the Clinton Administration (although Clinton was better at working with Congress than Bush was (for example, he would seek Hatch's approval of any judicial nomination before nominating that person, which is why people like Ginsburg and Breyer had no problem getting through the Senate)).

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by aps

I want to clarify this statement. I think what surprises me the most is the fact that Obama is picking so many people who worked in the Clinton Administration. While I fully remember how well the economy was doing back them, to me, all those people are Washington insiders. I thought he would even provide change from the Clinton Administration (although Clinton was better at working with Congress than Bush was (for example, he would seek Hatch's approval of any judicial nomination before nominating that person, which is why people like Ginsburg and Breyer had no problem getting through the Senate)).

Thank you, this does not however and I think you will agree change my point regarding how you thought Obama would be regarding washington insiders.

Did I also not have you stating something regarding him being different or change from Kerry as well or was that someone else?

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by aps

I don't even know exactly what I thought, but I didn't think there would be soooooo many Clinton appointments. I thought he would put in new blood.

I fully agree and fully understand your sentiment here, this has been my point all along. Now could this all work out when he takes office to your liking? Quite possible, however his appointments are not inline with his campaign promise.

It must have been someone else.

no worries.

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

I fully agree and fully understand your sentiment here, this has been my point all along. Now could this all work out when he takes office to your liking? Quite possible, however his appointments are not inline with his campaign promise.

Re: Leon Panetta to be nominated CIA Director

Originally Posted by shiznit770

I think he plans on seeing to all the changes personally....yeah...

What does this incoherent nonsense even mean?

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