vygramul:cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does.

That's true. But you have to admit, all the anti-Semites are going to dislike what Israel does, and they add a LOT of noise to the argument, hoping that they can subtly shift it over to hatred of Jews. It happens here on Fark with certain people who show up to every anti-Israel thread and also magically show up to every thread mentioning Jews.

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff Israel does and gets away with that I don't appreciate. (And before someone asks, Israel can fark off about Pollard. Even asking pisses me off.) But I don't bother in public forums because the well is so poisoned that it's nigh impossible to have an adult conversation about it.

NostroZ:But one thing that I cannot stand is when all these alleged humanitarians talk about Israel/Palestine as though there is not a genocide going on in Darfur... as though the only problem they know or care about is one concerning the Jews.

So we're all in here saying stuff l like "Yeah, fark Israel...they're the only bad people on Earth!"?

What's the acceptable protocol here? What's the minimum number of other world problems we have to mention before speaking about Israel doesn't make us jew-hating Nazi hitlers that want nothing but the extermination of all jews everywhar!1!? Do we have to mention different ones each time? Can one of us just start a thread about Israel with "Hey guys, have you heard about that shiat in Somalia?"

NostroZ:Kittypie070: Dear NostroZ or NoDoz or NozStrawz or whatever you are:

I have one very humble piece of advice for you.

If you want people to listen to and take seriously the world-shattering wisdom you feel you absolutely must impart to us lowdown booger-picking yokels, try drinking a nice relaxing cup of chamomile tea first.

Speaking at 480 decibels tends to put the audience off just a slight bit.

Fark off!I'm not here to impart some world-shattering wisdom... I'm here to tell the haters that they are haters and provide anyone in between with FACTS of what's ACTUALLY going on vs. the Anti-Semite propaganda you call opinion... I'm not here to impress you or care if you WANT to listen to me... Block me for all I care.

Tell me I'm not as good as Tatsuma... I don't care... You're nuanced hatred is still that! It's hatred and I will not look the other way.

I'm not about to sit idly by while this Jew Hating orgy goes wild, sowing falsehoods like "we don't get anything from Israel for our money" or like Mr.lennavan post who's word for word argument is "Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from."

So Fark Off for trying to tell me I'm not responding how you would like to hatred that has led to genocide in the past!

In any thread containing criticism of Zionism or the Zionist State, Farkers like NostroZ will crawl out of the cracks and crevices - first to whine, then to cry, and then it's

sillydragon:So is this the new and less troll-fu possessing version of everyone's favorite Israeli?

BTW, am I an anti-semite if I think the Israeli government is a huge pile of douchebags, but it isn't because they're jewish?

Of course. You see, what a person does and what their race is are inseparably linked. So, if a black person cuts you off in traffic you and you object, you hate black people. If an Asian stabs you in the face with an icepick and that pisses you off, you're totally racist against Asians. If a Hispanic guy farks your dog and wipes his dick on the curtains, you'd better not say anything, or that will totally mean you're a racist scumbag.

sillydragon:So is this the new and less troll-fu possessing version of everyone's favorite Israeli?

Yeah, Tats did it first and did it better.

BTW, am I an anti-semite if I think the Israeli government is a huge pile of douchebags, but it isn't because they're jewish?

From what I can discern, if you don't make a point of specifically mentioning in every post that surrounding governments/organizations are at least as douchebaggy, if not moreso, then you are indeed an anti-Semite. Sorry about that.

If you want people to listen to and take seriously the world-shattering wisdom you feel you absolutely must impart to us lowdown booger-picking yokels, try drinking a nice relaxing cup of chamomile tea first.

Speaking at 480 decibels tends to put the audience off just a slight bit.

the ha ha guy:NostroZ: Go ahead and prove me wrong by showing your identical concern for world issues that are not Jewish... please tell me about Sudan and what's been going on there for the past 15 years and your real knowledge/concern about those people. Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

"You hate that video of someone killing a puppy but you don't mention sea-kittens at all! Prove to me that you're not a Peta hating fish Hitler!"

Disliking one group does not imply support for another, nor does it compel the one commenting to list every action and group they dislike. Since the scope of the thread is the struggle between Israel and the terrorist groups fighting in the name of Palestine, struggles in other nations are not relevant to the discussion, even if they are worse than anything going on in Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

Generation_D:Cry moar, Israeli lobby. Obama's the best president since Eisenhauer for protecting American interests, not just bowing to Israeli ones.

Let's see...he allowed Cuba to go Communist. His planning of the Bay of Pigs invasion was absolutely first rate, that's for sure. Then of course there was his policy of sending "advisers" to Vietnam. His lack of support for the Hungarian Uprising in 1956. Yep, stellar.

neongoats:We get it guy, you will support anything Israel does, and support no limit to the amount of wasted money, lives and credibility are sunk into it.

Personally, since you repeat it often about "bbbbut you give money to Pakistan!!": fark Pakistan. As far as I'm concerned, pakistan can eat its own gun, and get its money from somewhere else. See how well they can live with a billion screaming hindu fanatics pouring across their border raping everything. Be interesting.

As can Isreal. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entire region. Israel created it's current bed, they can lie in it without our tax dollars buying them a farking blanket.

Mr.NeonGoats, I do not wish to engage with you in a discussion.Your view of world politics is an extremist one that is so far divorced from reality that by simply trying to step into your shoes of "Fark everyone" I feel dumber.

We get it guy, you will support anything Israel does, and support no limit to the amount of wasted money, lives and credibility are sunk into it.

Personally, since you repeat it often about "bbbbut you give money to Pakistan!!": fark Pakistan. As far as I'm concerned, pakistan can eat its own gun, and get its money from somewhere else. See how well they can live with a billion screaming hindu fanatics pouring across their border raping everything. Be interesting.

As can Isreal. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entire region. Israel created it's current bed, they can lie in it without our tax dollars buying them a farking blanket.

You know that tired old "with great power comes great responsibility" that got repeated ad nauseam in Spiderman? It works both ways: with zero power comes zero responsibility.

If the middle east won't take our suggestions or implement our plans for peace, then we have fark-all responsibility when they start killing each other. Y'all want nothing more than to murder each other, meh, have at it. I'm tired of wasting time and effort and lives trying to make you act like goddamn adults.

ringersol:Who in their right mind has expectations of the peace process that *can* be lowered?

When I saw the news of those freakish tornadoes hitting in February that caused such havoc, the first thing that crossed my mind was, "What on earth are we doing to Israel?" God made it clear we are not going against Jerusalem, God's holy city, or tamper with His holy land. But our American leaders are, and I dread to think of the consequences as the "roadmap for peace" is negotiated. Is there anyone advising the president that giving God's land to the Muslims is a no-no? The media have successfully changed the thinking of the people into believing Israel is the villain. It's the Muslims who are screaming for blood. All Israel is trying to do is stay alive!

Watch the storms increase every time we double-cross little Israel. I believe we are just getting a taste of what is coming. What should we do as believers? "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem" (Ps. 122:6). God said, "I will bless them that bless [Israel], and curse him that curseth [Israel]" (Gen 12:3). Any nation messing with Jerusalem will pay a terrible price. (See Zech. 12:1-3.) In the not-too-distant future, Russia and the Muslim nations will move against her, and they will be destroyed. (See Ezek 38-39.) When we see these things coming upon us, the Lord tells us to "look up" (Luke 21:28) and preach the gospel (Matt. 24:14). We won't be able to pass tracts in heaven. By then it will all be over.

Generation_D:Alphakronik: Wake me when we stop giving Isreal $40,000,000,000 a year in aid.

They don't need it.

Biggest welfare state in America.

I used to wonder why Americans often refer to the state of Israel, when we don't use the word "state" for many other foreign countries. I figured out in time that it gets so much from the American teat it is like a fifty-first state.

I think Obama's doing a great job of not sucking Israel's dick, and I hope he keeps up the good work.

Because, he's too busy sucking Muslim Brotherhood dick.

You know very well that it hasn't gone beyond heavy petting.

Or is that droning?A US President never has to apologize for putting US interests ahead of other countries', and that includes Israel. Obama is somehow expected to blast Iran back to the pre-nuclear age at a moment's notice, but not even give a frank assessment to Netanyahu. That's just silly.