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I'm wondering how y'all know who is and isn't a Yoshinkan practitioner. Do they all have some kind of flaming YOSHINKAN .sig in their posts that I've been missing? Or do you need the special I-can-see-the-chip-on-your-shoulder-AND-your-XYY-chromosome glasses to see it?

I'm wondering how y'all know who is and isn't a Yoshinkan practitioner.

Sometimes it is in the signature, yes. Ivan was responding to someone who self-identified as a Yoshinkan practitioner. Several do. More to the point, of the ones that do self-identify, many seem to be aggressive. As, for example, the following...

Quote:

Louis Sanguy wrote:

"An attacker would have hate and anger whilst he/she attacked you, yes? aikido teaches balance, so to keep the balance you need to kill them with friendship or forgiveness"
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OSU!

The OSU is a giveaway, too. BTW, I'm Yoshinkan. We do some military-style ceremonies and say OSU a lot and there's some macho talk and attitude, but in general when I hear talk of killing or fighting, I don't see my dojo in the posters.

IMO, it's because Yoshinkan practitioners are MARTIAL artists, and we (annoyingly, it seems) insist that Aikido is a MARTIAL art. Aikido does not require us to be passive. Hopefully, AikiWeb is the same way.

Not sure what the "FNG thing" is, but if I have it bad I probably enjoy it. If everyone agreed with me there would be no discussion, which is all I'm after. Shame on me if I have to get my validation on the internet.

Just the same, this "Yoshi Orcs are mean" thread exists because the truth I'm telling is disturbing people it applies to. Don't hate the messenger.

Hey, my waza works, and I have proven it on a couple of occasions. So I am not vulnerable to words. I feel strongly enough about my views that I am perfectly willing to stand in the fire and defend them, and I believe martial effectiveness is a positive and beneficial topic. But if anyone else wants to resort to personal attacks I prefer they do it in person.

Bill, is that an accurate representation of your style's take on these issues? Or your sensei's? Or just your opinion from your experiences?

As I have said a number of times, "IMO". I am certainly not speaking for anyone else. My opinion is based on some experiences, however. I can tell you Ude Garami works in the real world, and so does Hiji Shime.

As I have said a number of times, "IMO". I am certainly not speaking for anyone else. My opinion is based on some experiences, however. I can tell you Ude Garami works in the real world, and so does Hiji Shime.

Bill you sound like you are about to ask someone to fight you behind the bike rack after school.

I promise you I am not that type of person. The only times I have been in altercations involved rescuing other people who needed it. But I have a sister with Down's Syndrome, so I don't take chromosomal jokes well. Pansys on the mat? Meh, words.

Hey, my waza works, and I have proven it on a couple of occasions. So I am not vulnerable to words. I feel strongly enough about my views that I am perfectly willing to stand in the fire and defend them

I'm wondering how y'all know who is and isn't a Yoshinkan practitioner. Do they all have some kind of flaming YOSHINKAN .sig in their posts that I've been missing? Or do you need the special I-can-see-the-chip-on-your-shoulder-AND-your-XYY-chromosome glasses to see it?

Hey, my waza works, and I have proven it on a couple of occasions. So I am not vulnerable to words. I feel strongly enough about my views that I am perfectly willing to stand in the fire and defend them, and I believe martial effectiveness is a positive and beneficial topic. But if anyone else wants to resort to personal attacks I prefer they do it in person.

Dear Bill,
So you managed to use a couple of techniques on some guys?Maybe rather than good waza , you just got lucky or the opposition was poor?In my view no matter how good you think you are there is always someone bigger , stronger , meaner and faster than oneself.rather than use brawn ,I prefer using my brain.Rather than get to a point where fisticuffs are resorted to , get the hell out of the situation beforehand.Prancing around in exotic Japanese outfits,doing ude garami or some strangles for example does not mean you/any body else, will not take second prize should you encounter a guy who is equipped with more ammo than you.Let common sense prevail,not force.Cheers, Joe.
Ps Just in case you think I am a wimpy sort of chap I have also used aikido in confrontations in the past.I much prefer being friendly rather than having a macho image.

Well... I've been at Aikikai schools almost esclusively. Depending on the dojo, the martial aspect gets more or less emphasis. The late Kawahara shihan wasn't a sweetness and light kinda guy, and tolerated flowery stuff very poorly. Izumi (Hiroaki) also deceased included in his classes how to use the knife, as well as how to take it away - how to not lose the pistol, as well as how to take it away - how to throw in such a way that uke is less likely to get back up soon, and how to throw in less harmful ways. What difference I noted between a Yoshinkan dojo and the Aikikai with which I was familiar was the more regimented training at entry levels. However after nidan I couldn't tell the difference by looking at the movements.