Dubious Intelligence and Iran Blackmail: How Israel is driving the US to war in Syria

President Barack Obama’s August 31 announcement that he would seek congressional authorization to strike Syria has complicated an aggressive Israeli campaign to render a US attack inevitable. While the Israelis are far from the only force in bringing the US to the brink of war – obviously Assad’s own actions are the driving factor – their dubious intelligence assessments have proven pivotal.

On April 25, the head of the Israeli army’s Military Intelligence research and analysis division, Brig. Gen. Itai Brun, delivered a high profile lecture at the military-linked Institute for National Security Studies. “To the best of our professional understanding, the [Syrian] regime has used lethal chemical weapons,” Brun declared, referring to March 19 attacks near Damascus and Aleppo.

“The very fact that they have used chemical weapons without any appropriate reaction,” Brun said, “is a very worrying development, because it might signal that this is legitimate.”

The stunning statement by the Israeli army’s top intelligence analyst was significantly stronger than suspicions expressed days before by the UK and France about the Syrian regime’s use of chemical weapons. It was clearly aimed at Obama, who had declared in the summer of 2012 that chemical weapons attacks on civilian targets would transgress a “red line” and trigger US military action. But the White House pushed back against the Israeli ploy, dispatching Secretary of State John Kerry to demand Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu supply more conclusive evidence.

“I don’t know yet what the facts are,” Kerry said after a phone call with Netanyahu, “I don’t think anybody knows what they are.”

Specious intelligence brightens the red line

Flash forward to the August 21 Ghouta massacre, where over 1000 Syrian civilians died without any sign of external wounds in a series of attacks. As in April, Israel has come forward with intelligence supposedly proving that the victims of the attacks died from nerve gas deployed by units from Assad’s Syrian Arab Army (SAA).

On August 24, Israel’s Channel 2 broadcast a report claiming that the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division of Assad’s SAA fired the nerve gas shells on Ghouta. Channel 2 added that Israel was relaying its concerns to Washington, suggesting an urgent demand for US action. The report was echoed by an August 30 article in Germany’s Focus magazine claiming that Israeli army’s Unit 8200 — a cyber-warfare division that functions much like the American NSA — had intercepted communications of top Syrian officials ordering the chemical attack.

Oddly, neither outlet was able to reproduce audio or any quotes of the conversation between the Syrian officials. Channel 2 did not appear to cite any source at all – it referred only to “the assessment in Israel” – while Focus relied on an unnamed former Mossad official for its supposed bombshell. The definitive nature of the Israeli intelligence on Ghouta stood in stark contrast to the kind introduced by other US allies, which was entirely circumstantial in nature. At the same time, it relied on murky sources and consisted of vague assertions.

The Assad regime may indeed be responsible for the Ghouta massacre, but Israel’s military-intelligence apparatus does not exactly have a reputation for trustworthiness. (Consider, for example, the Israeli army’s shameless attempt to link the Gaza Freedom Flotilla to Al Qaeda by plastering Israeli media with crude and easily discredited propaganda, always sourced to anonymous national security officials.) Yet in his determination to see the US attack the country he recently referred to as “Iran’s testing ground,” Netanyahu appeared to be succeeding in his campaign to bring Obama’s red line back into focus.

The rush to war, interrupted

On August 26, an Israeli delegation containing Netanyahu’s National Security Advisor Yaakov Amidror and a collection of Shin Bet and top army officials arrived in Washington for a series of meetings coordinated by US National Security Advisor Susan Rice. The agenda was to plan for the aftermath of a US strike on Syria that was already inevitable, at least from the perspective of the meeting’s participants.

The following day, Vice President Joseph Biden became the highest level US official to blame Assad for Ghouta, declaring, “There is no doubt who is responsible for this heinous use of chemical weapons in Syria: The Syrian regime.” The Obama administration supported Biden’s claim by citing classified communications intercepted from Syrian officials – intelligence that appeared to have been supplied by the Israelis.

Giora Inbar, a former Israeli intelligence officer, told Channel 2 that the US was not only “aware of” Israel’s intelligence gathering efforts in Syria, it “relies upon it.”

With Kerry and Rice joining Biden in the spotlight to make the case for bombing Syria, the White House released an intelligence report “assess[ing] with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weapons attack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21.”

The content of the report was extremely general in nature, containing a caveat that some intelligence had been omitted “to protect sources and methods.” One of the report’s strongest passages referred to “intercepted communications involving a senior official intimately familiar with the offensive who confirmed that chemical weapons were used by the regime on August 21 and was concerned with the U.N. inspectors obtaining evidence.” Though no source was named, the language tracks almost exactly with the Israeli intelligence leaked to Channel 2 and Focus magazine.

It was August 30 when the report appeared. By this point, the question was not whether the US would bomb Syria, but how soon.

And then Obama blinked.

Iran blackmail, the coming campaign

Now that Obama has turned to Congress to authorize force against Syria, he is under relentless attack in Israel, with a chorus of pundits and politicians hammering him for his act of betrayal and cowardice in the face of evil. Amidst the din of condemnation, a talking point has emerged that will likely figure at the heart of Israel’s case to Congress and the American public this week.

The message was neatly summarized in the headline of a piece by the Likud-friendly correspondent Herb Keinon in the Jerusalem Post: “Weak world response on Syria boosts chance of strong Israeli action on Iran.” Referring to Obama’s decision and the British’ parliament’s vote against participating in a strike on Syria, Keinon wrote, “That kind of international dallying is not the type of behavior that will instill confidence in Israeli leaders that they can count on the world when it comes to Iran.”

At Haaretz, Amos Harel reinforced the talking point in a piece of analysis that claimed “Arabs perceive Obama as weak” – but which cited absolutely zero Arabs. Running through a litany of examples of supposed American weakness, Harel concluded, “it’s no wonder that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is becoming increasingly persuaded that no one will come to his aid if Iran suddenly announces that it is beginning to enrich uranium to 90 percent.”

The threat of a unilateral Israeli strike on Iran if the US does not act on Syria is slowly seeping into American media, and will almost certainly grow more pronounced this week as pro-Israel pundits and members of the Obama administration unite on their message. AIPAC may also join the push for congressional authorization, a move the night flower-style lobby managed to avoid during the run-up to invading Iraq. If the Israel lobby is forced into the open, it could hold the prospect of an attack on Iran like a gun to the heads of members of Congress, warning them that the price of inaction is a regional conflagration.

Though Congress will be under unrelenting pressure from powerful forces to authorize force, the vote provides an unprecedented opportunity for opponents of US military intervention in the Middle East to mobilize. Anti-war forces may not be able to match the financial muscle or public relations power of pro-war elements, but they have opinion firmly on their side. And a direct conflict with the American public may be the one fight Netanyahu does not want to pick.

We were the first and only nation that atom bombed large cities, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.
The first one was so great that we repeated the procedure a couple of days later.
In Vietnam we used agent orange, a chemical war agent, that killed thousands of vietnamese and also our soldiers and even today thousands of badly malformed children are born there every year.
In Iraq and Afghanistan we used depleted uran ammunition, poisoning not only the iraqis, but also our own soldiers. Again, thousands of malformed children are born there every year.
Not to forget our best friends! According to the Geneva Convention white phosphor is stickly forbidden to use in a war, yet the israelis repeatedly bombed Gaza with that dangerous substance, killing and burning mostly civilians.

Those attacks with chemical and nuclear weapons can be proved without a doubt, yet we did not hear a single protest. The attack in Syria is most likely true, but who did it? Instead of finding the culprit, we want to bomb the country, killing hundreds more.
Who appointed the USA to act as the prosecutor, judge and executioner?
As you correctly say, noone and we have no right to get involved in this affair. It is up to the UN, the ICC or the people of Syria to punish the criminals.

Well
the issue that OBAMA takes the decision ot the congress and didn’t act according to Israel’s intelligence, takes the wind out of your conspiracy routine.
But wait, Congress….. they are in the pocket of Israel, as Israel runs the US. that’s not new.
So question, if Israel runs the US, why should Obama waste his time on the congress, he could call up Bibi and ask for permission to attack and that’s it.
So all this congress issue , is just another comedy act for you all.

the issue that OBAMA takes the decision ot the congress and didn’t act according to Israel’s intelligence, takes the wind out of your conspiracy routine.

No it does not. Congress is Israeli occupied territory, so by handing the descision to Congress, he gives AIPAC the choice.

So question, if Israel runs the US, why should Obama waste his time on the congress, he could call up Bibi and ask for permission to attack and that’s it.

But if he did that, hasbarats like you would cry anti Semtism. This way, Congress can do the bidding of Israel while pretending to be acting on behalf of US interests. That’s the way AIPAC has always done it.

But Wait if the Congress says NO.
Then, is it’s got to be because we Israel, the mighty Boss of the Congress told them to say No.
And then Obama will call his boss Bibi and say, but you told me to go to the Congress and he said no.
And then Bibi will tell Obama, you do what I tell you.
The Congress because it’s in our pocket too, will play a double agent.
Cause if Congress say “Yes” AZZ like Shingo will say, you see it’s Israel Job, but if not, then, they will not know it’s Aipac Job and then Obama will ask his boss Bibi again and it’s all Closed and done.
Kapish Shingo.

“But Wait if the Congress says NO. Then, is it’s got to be because we Israel, the mighty Boss of the Congress told them to say No.”

First time you make sense, yrn, only you are doing it unintentionally. True that most Congressmen take their marching orders from their paymaster but this time it’s debating whether or not it can risk kicking off a war that would rain 50,000 missiles on it. From the news I’ve been following on Channel 10 and seeing that 80% of Israel’s shelters are inadequate or in a state of total disrepair and the general panic that’s prevailing there, Israel is having second thoughts if it’s all worth it. There’s a good chance Israel will be calling it off via a Congress “No” which would allow both Israel and Obama to save face.

No it does not. Congress is Israeli occupied territory, so by handing the descision to Congress, he gives AIPAC the choice.

My representative in Kansas District 1 is a Republican who appears on Fox News from time to time and usually supports AIPAC positions. Here is his September 1st newsletter blurb on this particular subject:

Syria Update

While President Obama apparently debates how many American lives and funds he wishes to risk in the Syrian civil war, he needs to be reminded that Congress has the sole authority to declare War – not the President. The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. I am pleased that the President has now decided to come to Congress to authorize any action taken in Syria.

In recent days I have hosted 14 town halls, and the unanimous opinion of Kansans has been clear: stay out of this quagmire. I agree. I have seen no evidence of an American national interest in this Syrian civil war. Just like his misadventures in Libya in 2011 – which I opposed – President Obama risks American lives, property and prestige by injecting us into Syria.

I applaud Obama for his decision to ask the congress, as according to the constitution only they can declare war.
Perhaps this could be a good time for congress to take back their power and remind the president and the government of this. The country is turning into a dictatorship where the president can do just about anything and nobody have the guts to protest it!!

Shingo, AIPAC has not yet decided on this or at least have not yet shown their hand. I can see them hesitating on this one — popular opposition to the war is just to big. They might not be able to lobby for war in secret and if it became widely exposed, unlike their efforts to support the Iraq war, then it might hurt them politically. They have to weigh if this issue is important enough to expend the political price. I have no idea how they are going to play it.

Shingo says:
September 2, 2013 at 9:30 am
So that means that either AIPAC has not issued it’s orders to it’s whores in Congress or that your rep has not received the memo.>>>>

Or the claim that they are standing on ‘no US interest Syria’ is the first Cover their Ass move issued to their voters.
So that after ‘careful deliberation on the secret evidence’ they can claim that US interests in Syria are critical after all and ‘regretfully’ the US will have to get involved.

That’s refreshing to read Hostage, but as you said, he supports the AIPAC position.

AIPAC can’t get you re-elected if you piss-off your own power base. The members of the Republican echo chamber are the only people attending town hall meetings in the dog days of summer – and they are the ones who are telling the Representative to stay out of wars in the Middle East.

Interesting, Hostage. I agree with Russia it seems, although I have not followed this closely, or in fact Pat Lang the intelligence should be declassified.

The claim that SIGINT concerning Syrian government culpability is too sensitive to be disclosed is absurd. This was likely an intercept of plain voice, unencrypted Arabic conversation. A short wave radio tuned to the right frequency would have collected this text. If the Israelis were the source they should publish the text to avoid condemnation when the truth of this matter becomes clear.

Update on Syria
On Saturday, President Obama announced that he will seek Congressional authorization to use military action against Syria. In concert with this announcement, my Senate colleagues and I received a briefing from National Security Advisor Rice and Secretary of State Kerry. As I traveled throughout Kansas this Labor Day weekend, I also had numerous conversations with Kansans about this important issue.

I am pleased the President is allowing Congress to use its Constitutionally-vested power to debate and vote on whether to intervene in Syria. I believe America cannot afford another conflict that taxes our resources without achieving goals that advance American interests, and at this time I will not support authorizing military action against Syria.

While the Israelis are far from the only force in bringing the US to the brink of war – obviously Assad’s own actions are the driving factor. . . .

This not “obvious” to me at all. Assad’s alleged chemical weapons attack is an excuse for greater direct U.S. intervention; and the main driving factor behind that seems to be relentless Zionist demand for such action. Or did U.S. foreign policy suddenly become humanitarian overnight? Maybe I missed something.

Nor me, either. It would have helped if Max had pointed out precisely what these other forces are, because frankly I can’t think of any other credible theories. To suggest Assad had any influence on the decision to pay and arm ‘rebels’ to attack a sovereign state is really stretching things: it’s not like there hasn’t been a history of pro-Israel zealots in the U.S gov’t pushing for action against Assad’s Syria for the last 20 years-in earnest…

@Citizen – – I think Obama has no need to attack Syria, to reassure Netanyahu the US simply will not allow Iran to build nukes. Some Obama officials apparently are arguing the US needs to attack syria to ensure Iran will not use CW in future. Absurd, in my view.

Predictable Narcissistic whining has begun confidence in Israeli leaders that they can count on the world when it comes to Iran…. and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is becoming increasingly persuaded that no one will come to his aid if Iran suddenly announces that it is beginning to enrich uranium to 90 percent.”

The moaning of the jealous mistress to inflict a sense of guilt, “you do not love me enough, you don’t care about me ….I have to take care of myself, blah blah” will be the mantra. Will Israel’s lover leave her and return to the care of his family?

On August 26, an Israeli delegation containing Netanyahu’s National Security Advisor Yaakov Amidror and a collection of Shin Bet and top army officials arrived in Washington for a series of meetings coordinated by US National Security Advisor Susan Rice. The agenda was to plan for the aftermath of a US strike on Syria that was already inevitable, at least from the perspective of the meeting’s participants.

‘TRUST US’, says Israel – we only lied you into the war in Iraq with the Niger Yellowcake Forgeries, and have been trying to lie you into a war with Iran for the last 10 yrs, but forget about all that right now.

We have a phone intercept of Assad confessing that he ordered Sarin gas to be fired at the Syrian Rebels and civilians.

‘C’mon – just one more time – TRUST US’, says Israel

PS – and no, as a token of your trust for us, we are NOT going to provide you with the above claimed ‘phone intercept’ of a panicked Syrian commander
PPS – and we promise to never ever lie to you again, after today. Errr- after yesterday

Israel doesn’t even rate as a ‘Trust but Verify’ country – they have lied to us up one side and down the other – they are PROVEN LIARS

I am confused about this part:While the Israelis are far from the only force in bringing the US to the brink of war – obviously Assad’s own actions are the driving factor.

In the attempts to get the US to attack Iran, what would you say the main factor was: pro-Israeli encouragement for the US to attack it, or the actions of Iran itself? Syria is much more passive than Iran in its rhetoric towards the Israelis.

How are Syria’s own actions the main compulsion though? Hasn’t there been a largescale US plan of “regime change” across the Middle East since Bush’s presidency and the 1996 Clean Break Document?

“The GCHQ listening post on Mount Troodos in Cyprus is arguably the most valued asset which the UK contributes to UK/US intelligence cooperation. The communications intercept agencies, GCHQ in the UK and NSA in the US, share all their intelligence reports (as do the CIA and MI6). Troodos is valued enormously by the NSA. It monitors all radio, satellite and microwave traffic across the Middle East, ranging from Egypt and Eastern Libya right through to the Caucasus. Even almost all landline telephone communication in this region is routed through microwave links at some stage, picked up on Troodos.

Troodos is highly effective – the jewel in the crown of British intelligence. Its capacity and efficiency, as well as its reach, is staggering. The US do not have their own comparable facility for the Middle East. I should state that I have actually been inside all of this facility and been fully briefed on its operations and capabilities, while I was head of the FCO Cyprus Section in the early 1990s. This is fact, not speculation.

It is therefore very strange, to say the least, that John Kerry claims to have access to communications intercepts of Syrian military and officials organising chemical weapons attacks, which intercepts were not available to the British Joint Intelligence Committee.”

Now that Obama has turned to Congress to authorize force against Syria, he is under relentless attack in Israel, with a chorus of pundits and politicians hammering him for his act of betrayal and cowardice in the face of evil.

Who did Obama betray? How can it be betrayal unless the decision had been reached in conjunction with Israel and, as the article states, Obama blinked?

Obama certainly didn’t betray the US public, nor did he betray the evidence at this point (which is questionable, circumstantial, incomplete and/or backfilled to the desired outcome).

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Come on Bibi, record a 30-second spot outlining how Israel counted on this attack and the US backed out (for now) against Israel’s interest and insistence. Air it broadly. Tell it to the US public. Look the people in the “eye,” make the case, and let us decide who’s interest it is in to attack Syria, and why. Own it. You know you want to (except the own it part).

It is, after all, your duty as the Israeli PM to insist on your right to have the US do your bidding. Anything short simply must be a “betrayal.”

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It’s just so hard to comprehend the arrogance behind the Israeli/GoI mindset. Even harder to comprehend how it influences any one in any way at any time, let alone continuously over decades. Yeah, I know, money, but even then there must be greater considerations than money to Reps and Sens who have to look grieving parents in the eye, or respond to the legitimate and powerful “money for war but none for jobs” criticism. Maybe this is one of those greater considerations. Finally.

Nearly all those Reps and Sens are not introspective types, except as to how to get and retain their jobs, careers, and all the wonderful perks that go with them, not to mention the intoxication of power itself. This requires not mental integrity, but mental compartmentalization, a dedicated system, or way of thinking that does not connect all the dots or data actually related, either contemporary or historical. Imagination is required, but it’s always channel specific, and the same their sympathy and empathy. Their sense of hypocrisy, accordingly, is similarly devoted.

Noted Citizen. But I think it’s an empathy spectrum. Some you/we’ll never get through to, some are already on the moral side of things, and in the middle there’s only so many times you can say, “Sad story, but I don’t care.” to a hurting constituent and not be personally affected. I think more pols in the middle of the empathy spectrum are using up their quota of selfishness, at least in matters of war and peace.

Maybe more pointedly, you can’t tell a local business community that there’s no money to help boost the local economy, when they see $Ts going into these rat-hole wars. That’s not to say the macro biz community isn’t the exact opposite influence, but it becomes a series of macro – micro contentions.

I think the micro is winning at the moment, in both areas. Hope so anyway.

Yes, Max, it is a wild and crazy time. It’s a deja vu time, too. Remember how wild and crazy it was just before Baby Bush pulled the trigger in 2003? Colin would like to forget.

One point in your timeline perhaps you would check. I believe the Focus article was dated Aug24, not Aug30. In fact, you link to an Aug26 ToI article about the Focus article.

The Focus report was the source of the Mossad propaganda about the intercepted Syrian officers’ telephone conversation re: the Ghouta attack, almost certainly a savage piece of hasbra designed to suck the US into doing Israel’s dirty work. Again.

The use of Focus is new as far as I know. Normally, when GoI/Mossad leak intel – for instance about Iran’s Parchin “Pink Site” – they use Der Spiegel or George Jahn of AP or David Albright of ISIS. From what I read, Focus is a nasty right-wing rag that most of the German and European media avoid citing. Over all I find Mossad and GoI’s dark association with Germany and its media rather fascinating.

One toxicological point I have not seen made in the media is that sarin causes rigid paralysis of both skeletal and smooth muscle. This means that among the symptoms of sarin poisoning is urinary and fecal incontinence, and vomiting. I have looked at a lot of gruesome vids purporting to show dozens and dozens of victims of the attack and there is no indication of such very visible symptoms. The bodies in white shrouds may have been cleaned up, but most of the vids are in situ – taken at the place of death – and there is no indication of sarin poisoning.

Also there is interesting evidence and discussion about how some of the vids have obviously been faked. For instance, one dead girl in a very conspicuous yellow sweat shirt keeps showing up in different insurgent vids taken at different venues. Besides, all of these people supposedly dying in their sleep were fully clothed in street clothes, shoes, jackets, etc.

Hopefully the UN people will sort these problems and accusations out before Sep09 when Congress “gets back to work.” I’m afraid that in the mean time whoever is trying to force Obama’s hand will pull off another attack and blame it on Assad.

Looking at the last 5 years or so one can see an obvious trend. Libya, Iraq, Syria all made it clear that they had CWs and delivery missiles, and were prepared to use them as a deterrent to GoI’s nukes. The CWs in this context are referred to as the “poor man’s nuclear deterrent.” Other than Iran’s possible nukes, they are the only thing standing in the way of Israel’s complete military hegemony of the region.

Over these last years GoI has very artfully manipulated US sons and daughters, paid by US taxpayers, to take out the Libyan and Iraqi CWs. Now GoI is trying to get US sons and daughters to secure Syria’s. In order for GoI to attack Iran, the Syrian CW’s have to be neutralized no matter what the cost in (US and Syrian) lives.

denis, you’re right about that date. we reported the focus article on the 29th here:

A German publication, Focus, has reported that senior Israeli security officials supplied the US with evidence that Assad is responsible for the gas attack in Damascus. As Harriet Sherwood reports in the Guardian:

Thanks, annie. Not sure now what I think of Ceaucescu other than that his name is impossible to spell. What of the horrible stories about Gadaffi and Sadam butchering villages, kidnapping and holding schoolgirls for sex slaves . . . who know what’s legit? But back in 1990 Saddam was a fine fellow when Rumsfeld was supplying him with hundreds of tons of sarin so he could gas the Iranians.

Assad is now “Hitler” in Kerry’s words, but in 2009 he and his wife were sitting down w/ the Assad’s at a posh restaurant thoroughly enjoying themselves.

Israel is rather clumsy at its propaganda compared to CIA. On MW we talk all the time about GoI training online hasbaristas, but there is no doubt the Internet is crawling w/ CIA agents that we never hear, talk, or think about. I might be one myself and not even know it.

Interesting experience that vid: trying to listen to subjects talking English, overdubbed in German, and trying to read the English subtitles gave me sea sickness.

However what you got wrong is that you claim Focus to be a nasty right-wing rag that most of the German and European media avoid citing. It’s not. It’s a very mainstream weekly German news magazine, a bit leaning to the liberals though and a bit conservative, too, pretty much like the German government. See the wikipedia article:

If you check the German wikipedia, you may see that it’s well known for having good connections to German intelligence services.

For other links to stories on that supposedly Israeli intel, check the daily caller, a very interesting read written by Kenneth Timmerman, President of the (anti-Iranian) “Foundation for Democracy in Iran” where former CIA-boss Woolsey sits on the board:

Bando, thanks for setting me straight on Focus. I was passing along someone else’s opinion without verifying. I checked my notes and what they claimed is that Focus is a “miserable rag,” which is what my mom used to call MAD Magazine when I was a kid, although we often caught her reading it.

The mixed intel on the Ghouta attack is getting almost as serious as the attack itself. If you check out ShoutWiki on Ghouta, Petri Krohn and pals are running an ongoing analysis of the incoming data. Analysis of conflicting videos there, too.

Petri says that the site where the GoI “intel” claims Assad’s CW rockets were fired from has been under insurgent control since June. [I call these guys “insurgents” b/c they’re mostly the same crowd the US has been calling “insurgents” in every other conflict and b/c being once from Virginia I can’t bring myself to honor them with the term “rebels.” ]

RE: “Though Congress will be under unrelenting pressure from powerful forces to authorize force, the vote provides an unprecedented opportunity for opponents of US military intervention in the Middle East to mobilize.” ~ Blumenthal

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I’ve hacked colonel Anthony Jamie MacDonald mail he is intelligence US Army Staff boss. First I hacked his Link3dIn account and got access to his mail through it then.

Among mail Mayhem like Amazon mails I’ve found his correspondence with his colleague Eugene Furst. He congratulates Col. with success and gives a link to the Washington Post publication about chemical attack in Syria on August 21. Furst also mentions it was “well staged”. Holy shit. I was shocked my eyes refused to believe it. Bloody bastards they “staged” a chemical attack.

Then a friend of Anthony MacDonald’s wife Jennifer writes she was shocked seeing on TV the children died after chemical attack in Syria. Jennifer answers she saw the story but Tony calm her down saying children were alive and the scene was staged.

FWIW. The emails seem genuine, but I’m certainly no expert on this stuff.

Maybe. I am a little uncomfortable with the hacker’s own description of one of the emails. I don’t see the word “staged” anywhere (did I miss an email?), so he shouldn’t be putting it in quotes. The actual email is very laconic:

(Except in the original it doesn’t say “link to washingtonpost.com”–that’s just automatically how it showed up here.)

Still, it’s hard to see it as congratulating the colonel for an intelligence breakthrough, since the article (from what I remember–I haven’t re-read it since finding this) doesn’t talk about some sort of U.S. intelligence coup.

Anyway, the exchange between his wife and her friend is harder to read as saying anything other than that the attack was staged.

How people with years of experience working around sensitive “intelligence” matters would be this careless is beyond me though.

I keep circling around these emails. I have to say, to me the language sounds very odd in a couple of the more crucial spots.

“When in sleep”? Doesn’t sound like a native English speaker, but then again, I’ve noticed some people’s English becomes more awkward and stilted when they are talking about something that’s important and emotionally charged. (My sister does this, in fact, and she’s a reasonably well-read person. Some people read a great deal, but language handling know-how never seems to rub off on them.)

“I saw it either and got very much afraid.” Well, “I saw it either” is the sort of mistake you could make while typing too quickly, but the whole sentence is really awkward. And, “So you don’t worry, my dear.” It’s not totally unbelievable, but it would be so much more normal to say: “So don’t you worry my dear.” And again, “Thanks God, they are alive” instead of “Thank God, they are alive.” If this stuff was fabricated or modified, I vote for a non-native English speaking agent being involved.

For those who are curious but don’t want to download any files, there are screenshots here:

I don’t think anyone is waiting for my final word on this, but I think the supposed messages between Jennifer MacDonald and Mary Shapiro, or at least the portions that relate to Syria, are bogus, based on how non-idiomatic sounding their English is.

I see Veterans Today has picked up this story, but then nobody ever accused anyone on VT of having a feel for the English language.

If in fact Israel CANNOT produce the alleged phone intercept from the ‘panicky Syrian commander’ for international inspection as well as by the American public/Congress – all hell should be made to break loose

IDF Bennie Gantz apparently apprised Gen Martin Dempsey of it – I have no idea if Dempsey got to see it or verify it’s authenticity vs yet another Israeli ruse

Exposing this ‘Current Israeli False Flag Operation’, if indeed this is what it turns out to be, should be an entirely different affair as compared to the ‘Last Israeli Lobby False Flag Operation’ that lied us into the Iraq war

If Israel and/or Saudi Arabia is the author of this attack – well then it’s the Hague for Bibi Netanyahu and Bandar Bush

And in regards to Iraq – just how indeed does the critical chain of events that hoaxed an entire nation into war JUST DISAPPEAR into the ether and no one in the US government is concerned who did it or why? It’s like OJ Simpson promising to look for the killer of his ex-wife.

Which reminds me – WHICH international expert team is currently on the ground in Ghouta trying to get to the FORENSICS of the case and determine who indeed launched this attack?

Just a wild hunch but if the Israelis/Saudis thought it was already a fait accompli they may have not been prepared to cover up their tracks in Ghouta well enough not to be exposed.

An international team – or at least Russian – should get on the ground immediately

If in fact Israel CANNOT produce the alleged phone intercept from the ‘panicky Syrian commander’ for international inspection as well as by the American public/Congress – all hell should be made to break loose

You may want to read this story – check the author and the background of his organisation, a former CIA boss is on board:

The Obama administration has selectively used intelligence to justify military strikes on Syria, former military officers with access to the original intelligence reports say, in a manner that goes far beyond what critics charged the Bush administration of doing in the run-up to the 2003 Iraq war.

According to these officers, who served in top positions in the United States, Britain, France, Israel, and Jordan, a Syrian military communication intercepted by Israel’s famed Unit 8200 electronic intelligence outfit has been doctored so that it leads a reader to just the opposite conclusion reached by the original report.

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So if that’s true Israel has already provided the intel and it has already been assessed by some of the mil/intel big wigs that Mossad doctored it to show the opposite of the original.

Btw, here is the blog where I found that link, I find it quite useful:

Max B: “Flash forward to the August 21 Ghouta massacre, where over 1000 Syrian civilians died without any sign of external wounds in a series of attacks.”

“Skull and Bones” Kerry inflated the number of dead to 1400.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) reported 355 dead. Their report came on the 24th:https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=7029&cat=press-release.
MSF was not on site, but were working with the doctors who had conveyed to MSF what they were dealing with. A couple of days ago MSF had also asked that the reports about the dead not be inflated. They’re right, it’s not about the numbers, but what had happened.

The Turks arrested a group of Al Nusra just over the border on their way into Syria and they had a 2kg container of Sarin – all major Turkish papers reported it and it received ZERO coverage in the US.

They were still in Turkey when they were arrested. Yes, the Turkish press reported it but they were not picked up by the US mainstream press. Nor did the latter pick up the Russian media on the same incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXzyS9eUVgs

This report was quite strange. The arrested Syrians were accused of planning a terrorist attack inside Turkey. Rather than preparing to smuggle the poison gas to Syria. Perhaps they indeed planned the latter and were framed by some independently thinking local police that were not supportive of the government policy of giving immunity to terrorist and gun runners operating on Turkish soil.

The other possibility is that the police was correct. Eastern Turkey is home to Kurds that are not that supportive of taqfiris — who fight with Syrian Kurds — and Alevis who belong to Shia sect or sects (reports differ, Alevis, Twelvers, Alavites may have theological differences but folk religions may lack them, plus they may be united when facing Sunnis).

The radio intercept gives Obama an ‘out’, an excuse NOT to go to war.
If a Syrian Army field commander broke the chain of command and used CW’s on his own initiative, than Assad is not directly responsible for the Ghouta massacre, which slows down the drive to war.

To put it another way, Max’s article is bull.

AIPAC has been dead silent on involving the US in the Syrian civil war.

Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group Aipac was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. In the House, the majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, has long worked to challenge Democrats’ traditional base among Jews.

One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called Aipac “the 800-pound gorilla in the room,” and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, “If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line” against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, “we’re in trouble.”

Weird thing about this quote. It uses the British way of specifying acronyms.

‘Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group Aipac was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. In the House, the majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, has long worked to challenge Democrats’ traditional base among Jews.

One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called Aipac “the 800-pound gorilla in the room,” and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, “If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line” against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, “we’re in trouble.”

PS – Down Low Low Down for the Down and Out in Paris and London:

as most know, the NYTimes is behind a paywall – except it’s really not.

To access all NYTimes articles for FREE if you use Google Chrome as your browser –
1- just left click on those 3 bars (where the tools live) in the top right hand corner of your Chrome page
2- then click ‘new incognito window’ and PRESTO a new window appears and you can access all the NYTimes articles that were previously behind their paywall in your new ‘incognito’ status. (You can even set up an account and comment on articles from this status)
3- you’re welcome, pobrecitos/miserables/cheapskates! haha

Obama called up the Zionist PM and informed him of his plan to delay a strike on Syria BEFORE he informed Congress and the American people.

“Senior Israeli officials who asked to remain nameless stated that the phone call took place roughly four hours before Obama’s speech.

In contrast to phone calls made to other world leaders, the White House decided to keep this specific call between Netanyahu and Obama a secret, and not make any announcements to the press. The Prime Minister’s office in Jerusalem also made no mention of the phone call. White House and the PMO responded to Haaretz inquiries with the same answer: “No comment.”

Senior Israeli officials stated that the talk between Obama and Netanyahu was aimed at coordinating both states’ next moves regarding Syria.”

Here are the operative parts: He called before informing the American people, the call was supposed to be kept SECRET and “coordinating next moves regarding Syria”.

Gingershot writes:
“As reported in Haaretz, Netanyahu had to warn his ministers to NOT begin tearing Obama to shreds in public statements.”

The real reason for Israelis a_trying to keep a low profile on the Syria issue and b_trying to not publicly crucify Obama for delaying the strike and taking the Syria issue to Congress is because a_ISRAEL’S THE ONE CALLING THE SHOTS ON SYRIA of course they want to keep a low profile! and b_Israelis don’t want to risk triggering American resentment against Israel by appearing too coercive and eager to take the U.S. into another war.

Additionally, Netanyahu no doubt believes this Resolution may lead to an expanded military offensive and that’s just fine with him; he can wait a little longer! He waited a long time for this and I’m sure he’s trying to discourage his colleagues from being blinded by this small setback and missing the bigger picture. No doubt he’ll instruct them on the benefits of maintaining a low profile and their patience a little while longer. Besides, Netanyahu likes the U.S. Congress and trusts it will go his way. After all, he got more standing ovations from them than Obama did!

Israel’s calling the shots – can this be more obvious and troubling? God help us!

“And a direct conflict with the American public may be the one fight Netanyahu does not want to pick.”

But he’ll definitely do his damnedest behind the scenes to ensure the American public gets voted down while he pretends not to care so much and continues to shed profuse crocodile tears for “innocent” Syrian rebels!

Time reports: ”To make matters more complicated, Obama’s aides made clear that the President’s search for affirmation from Congress would not be binding. He might still attack Syria even if Congress issues a rejection.”

It’s certainly preferable to have the president seek Congressional approval than not seek it before involving the US in yet another Middle East war of choice, but that’s only true if the vote is deemed to be something more than an empty, symbolic ritual. To declare ahead of time that the debate the President has invited and the Congressional vote he sought are nothing more than non-binding gestures – they will matter only if the outcome is what the President wants it to be – is to display a fairly strong contempt for both democracy and the Constitution.

There are few things more bizarre than watching people advocate that another country be bombed even while acknowledging that it will achieve no good outcomes other than safeguarding the “credibility” of those doing the bombing. Relatedly, it’s hard to imagine a more potent sign of a weak, declining empire than having one’s national “credibility” depend upon periodically bombing other countries.

3) Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson was the Chief of Staff to US Secretary of State Colin Powell. In that role he helped to convey the phoney intelligence that was provided as a justification for invading Iraq, something Col. Wilkerson has since described as the “biggest mistake” of his life. “Chemical weapons could be Israeli false flag” @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QFHTR-WHkIQ

4) The Troodos Conundrum:

“The GCHQ listening post on Mount Troodos in Cyprus is arguably the most valued asset which the UK contributes to UK/US intelligence cooperation. The communications intercept agencies, GCHQ in the UK and NSA in the US, share all their intelligence reports (as do the CIA and MI6). Troodos is valued enormously by the NSA. It monitors all radio, satellite and microwave traffic across the Middle East, ranging from Egypt and Eastern Libya right through to the Caucasus. Even almost all landline telephone communication in this region is routed through microwave links at some stage, picked up on Troodos.

Troodos is highly effective – the jewel in the crown of British intelligence. Its capacity and efficiency, as well as its reach, is staggering. The US do not have their own comparable facility for the Middle East. I should state that I have actually been inside all of this facility and been fully briefed on its operations and capabilities, while I was head of the FCO Cyprus Section in the early 1990s. This is fact, not speculation.” – Craig Murray (former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan)

The British only appear aloof, they are apparently on the ground inside Syria, fighting some rebel groups, and a secret company(MI6?) is (has?) exported nerve agent precursors

British SAS are on the ground in Syria
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The British hunt for missiles and chemical weapons – which includes the SAS, Special Boat Service, Special Reconnaissance Regiment and MI6 spies – is one of the most hazardous in modern times as they are up against Assad’s forces as well as some rebel elements.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sas-hunting-syrian-missiles-allies-2231694

British SAS have posed as Enemy forces before:
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The official said two unknown gunmen in full Arabic dress began firing on civilians in central Basra, wounding several, including a traffic police officer. There were no fatalities, the official said.

The two gunmen fled the scene but were captured and taken in for questioning, admitting they were British marines carrying out a “special security task,” the official said.

The government did not comment officially on Obama’s decision to seek the support of Congress for an attack on President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, but some Israelis expressed dismay or even outrage, concluding that the US could no longer be trusted to defend red lines in relation to Iran’s nuclear programme.

“The American hesitance, and the rest of the world’s hypocrisy confirms the concern that when it comes to maintaining its security, Israel should not trust others and their promises, but must be prepared to protect its own security interests,” said Avi Wortzman, the deputy education minister.

Writing on his Facebook page before Obama’s statement, the economics and trade minister Naftali Bennett said: “The international stuttering and hesitancy on Syria just proves once more that Israel cannot count on anyone but itself. From Munich 1938 to Damascus 2013 nothing has changed. This is the lesson we ought to learn from the events in Syria.”

For the military analyst Alex Fishman, writing in Yedioth Ahronoth, the lesson was similar: “If we find ourselves in a crisis with Iran, no one in the world is going to be prepared to move a single plane on our behalf. At best, we’ll receive verbal support.”

Ron Ben-Yishai, the paper’s veteran war correspondent, said: “President Obama blinked, and this is bad. It is bad for the US’s interests, it’s bad for its allies’ interests and it sends an encouraging message to cruel, unrestrained regimes that possess or don’t possess weapons of mass destruction.””

Iran, Iran, Iran… Why we don’t normalize relations with that country is, um, fascinating and incredibly stupid. And Ron, when you say “cruel, unrestrained regimes that possess or don’t possess weapons of mass destruction” just who and what are you talking about???

Ingrates– all of them. Isn’t it time to stop serving as wet nurse to this greedy brat?

The government did not comment officially on Obama’s decision to seek the support of Congress for an attack on President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, but some Israelis expressed dismay or even outrage, concluding that the US could no longer be trusted to defend red lines in relation to Iran’s nuclear programme

Which red lines are they referring to – Israel’s or Washingtons?

In any case, the IAEA just reported that Iran has not crossed even Israel’s red line.

At least Bennet was good enough to open his big mouth and let the cat out of the bag that the Syria attack is once again, all about Israel.

That’s going to be a tough one for Yrn to spin, though I am sure he’ll give it his best shot.

““The American hesitance, and the rest of the world’s hypocrisy confirms the concern that when it comes to maintaining its security, Israel should not trust others and their promises, but must be prepared to protect its own security interests,” said Avi Wortzman, the deputy education minister.”

>> “The American hesitance, and the rest of the world’s hypocrisy confirms the concern that when it comes to maintaining its security, Israel should not trust others and their promises, but must be prepared to protect its own security interests,” said Avi Wortzman, the deputy education minister.

Mr. Wortzman understands perfectly the situation faced:
– for over 60+ years – and at the hands of his supremacist “Jewish State” – by the Palestinians;
– in recent years by Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan;
– in recent months and in the coming days by Syria; and
– in the not-too-distant future by Iran.

“The international stuttering and hesitancy on Syria just proves once more that Israel cannot count on anyone but itself. From Munich 1938 to Damascus 2013 nothing has changed. This is the lesson we ought to learn from the events in Syria.”

Israel cannot survive without the umblical link to the US Congress.
The notion that 5.5 m people can “go it alone” and bend the Middle East to their fantasies is nuts khaalis.
Munich 1938 is rolled out far too often aswell.

Let`s be honest about it all – it is clear that Iran is the main target and there is no way it can`t be so. The entire Syria/Lebanon “resistance axis” is it`s making and a critical part of its regional hegemony fantasy. That means it has both Israel and the main Arab allies of the US as key antagonists and they will not rest until the present regime in Iran is brought down. Immediate reprisals or not in Syria is a tactical issue – can go either way (and it is not even sure what`s the best option) – but Iran is different. It is a strategic matter, moving steadily towards a crescendo, a showdown, and all influence and friends in the US Israel can use there, it certainly will.

Israel (and USA) have used the REPEATED VIOLATION of [apparent] international law as a means (they seem to hope) to change international law by changing the practice of nations (by broad uncomplaining acceptance of their own example) so that repeated violation signals not their own criminality but merely a change of norm.

Israel’s settlements, as you note, violates apparent international norms, but the 64 year international failure to DO SOMETHING about it — e.g., to use sanctions to require Israel to remove all settlers and remove/destroy all buildings built since 1967 to serve Israelis (other than military) in OPTs and Golan — seems to give the OK to an implicit change in int’l law despite the long-term understanding that settlement is illegal and the recent (2004) confirmation thereof by International Court of Justice, which declared the settlements illegal while primarily declaring the wall illegal and propounding an international responsibility that it be removed.

The vary fact that Israel used White Phosphorous on civillians without any appropiate reaction , is a vey worrying developement because it might signal that this is legitimate.

Must be, the fire control team that successfully employed a mix of white phosphorous (WP) and high explosive (HE) rounds on neighborhoods in Fallujah, Iraq wrote an article in an official Army periodical which admitted We fired “shake and bake” missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out. See THE FIGHT FOR FALLUJAH – TF 2-2 IN FSE AAR: Indirect Fires in the Battle of Fallujah By Captain James T. Cobb, First Lieutenant Christopher A. LaCour and Sergeant First Class William H. Hight” http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2005/2-2AARlow.pdf

“President Shimon Peres said Monday that he trusts U.S. President Barack Obama’s judgment in regards to the crisis in Syria.

In an interview with Army Radio, Peres said that he didn’t view the delay of the attack on Syria as a “hesitation” by Obama but rather an act of good judgment. “In all matters concerning Israel, I trust him,” he said. ”

The President of Israel trusts our President to take care of Israel. How in the heck did we allow this ‘special relationship’ to devolve into this? The transfer of our national security to an Apartheid, belligerent state who has a more than dismal record of human rights abuses and violations of international law. A state that wants no peace with anyone- only domination.

Last time in checked, Israel has had peaceful relations, treaties and accords with Jordan, Egypt and PA, respectively. Israel has unilaterally left South Lebanon and Gaza as well, with less than desired results.
Israel is currently having peace talks with the PA.

Last time in checked, Israel has had peaceful relations, treaties and accords with Jordan, Egypt and PA, respectively.

The last time I checked, the PA had already filed a complaint with the ICC in 2009 and is constantly threatening to file another. The group that took to the streets and called for the overthrow of the Morsi regime in Egypt is calling for the termination of the Camp David Accords.

By John Reed
Lack of US resolve on Syria chemical weapons sets a bad precedent

When Barack Obama visited Israel in March, he made a speech in Jerusalem – virtuosic in parts and cloying in others – meant to endear him to an Israeli public which felt it neither knew nor trusted him much.

Atem lo levad (“You are not alone”), the US president intoned in American-accented Hebrew, channelling the same spirit of solidarity that John F. Kennedy invoked when he declared “Ich bin ein Berliner” in blockaded West Berlin in 1963.

Israelis are now recalling Mr Obama’s speech ruefully after his decision to refer any military action against Syria to Congress. Asked afterwards about how the decision made them feel, many offered up this word: “alone”. Their worry is not that Israel is being left alone to cope with Syria, whose war Israel’s government and most of its people want no direct part in.

The fear – and it is a big one – is about the message America’s perceived wavering on Syria sends to its bigger and much more powerful ally: Iran. Benjamin Netanyahu, who has made containing the Islamic republic’s nuclear programme the defining issue of his premiership, has said repeatedly in recent days that Syria is a “testing ground” for Iran.

Any lack of US resolve over disciplining Bashar al-Assad’s government for crossing “red lines” on chemical weapons use, Israelis feel, sets a bad precedent for efforts to stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb. Israel was already worried western resolve to contain Iran’s nuclear ambitions was ebbing after the election of relative moderate Hassan Rouhani as president. Mr Netanyahu, mindful of Israel’s delicate position in a region where Mr Assad or Hizbollah might respond to a US strike by attacking it, has told his ministers not to talk to the media about Syria.

However, Naftali Bennett, economy minister and head of the far-right Jewish Home party, gave one insight into official thinking on Friday – before Mr Obama’s speech, but after Britain voted against military action – when he wrote on Facebook: “The international stuttering and hesitancy on Syria just proves once more that Israel cannot count on anyone but itself.” Commentators in Israel put it in earthier terms when they chided Mr Obama by quoting a line from Sergio Leone’s spaghetti Western, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: “When you have to shoot, shoot – don’t talk”.

“You hear more and more people in government saying, ‘Can we really rely on the US to stop Iran?” said Mike Herzog, a retired Israeli general and international fellow with The Washington Institute for Middle East Policy. “If they can’t take a decision on a red line in Syria, why should we think they could do so on Iran?” US resolve in Syria, Israelis say, has proved weak on a chemical weapons red line that according to the British intelligence dossier was crossed at least 14 times before the attack outside Damascus that prompted a hesitant US call to arms.

If [the US] can’t take a decision on a red line in Syria, why should we think they could do so on Iran?
– Mike Herzog, The Washington Institute for Middle East Policy

Whereas gruesome news pictures of gasping victims provided apparent visual evidence that chemical weapons had been used, the trigger for action in Iran is more fungible and open to interpretation, and Israel and the US define it differently. The US has said it would not accept a nuclear Iran, but Israel thinks this is too fuzzy. Mr Netanyahu, speaking at the UN last September, said that Iran must be stopped before it had amassed enough 20 per cent-enriched uranium for a single bomb. Israel says Iran has not reached this but is taking broader actions such as building centrifuges that would make it easier to cross the nuclear threshold quickly.

“Red lines don’t lead to war; red lines prevent war,” Mr Netanyahu said in his UN speech, in which he brandished a cartoon of a sputtering bomb. “I believe that faced with a clear red line, Iran will back down.”

Israelis are this week more doubtful on that point, with many saying that US prevarication on Syria has weakened the red line’s deterrence. Some worry it is now more likely that Iran will cross it and if forced to act, Israel may need to go it alone. “Will the US back its own red lines and do something about Iran?” asked Yoel Guzansky, a researcher for the Institute for National Security Studies. “The answer after Obama’s speech is no – we are alone. That’s a very basic feeling – this is what people here think.” “

Maybe they can talk to counselors in Gaza who understand the phenomenon.

Israelis should probably get about the business of making peace in the neighborhood that they choose to live in– beginning with the Palestinians and including the Iranians- a nation of people that they demonize constantly and lie about endlessly.

The world, including the Americans, are wide awake now. We will hopefully stop our enabling of their agenda and their paranoid accusations lickety- split.

‘ “The answer after Obama’s speech is no – we are alone. That’s a very basic feeling – this is what people here think.” “

Boo hoo hoo—-
The Zionist demanded they be alone and away from the dasterdly anti semitic world.
They demanded self determination for the Jews and a Jewish State of their own.
They tells us how smart they are and how Israel is so rich and powerful and tough.

And yet?
They cant self determine or even ‘govern’ themselves as anything but religious and ethnic supremist state.

And yet?
They cant even exist without US, German and world aid and constant protection from enemies ‘they create’ for themselves.

And yet?
They cant even attack their enemies themselves, they have to have the US and world do “it for them” while they cower with gas masks and groan ‘poor alone us’.

And yet?
All they do is whine and whine and whine to the world ‘they hate’ and demanded to be separate from, about how the world “they hate’ is *responsible* for them.
IOW…they demand the Anti Semites must save the Jews.
You cant get any more f’ng delusional than this cult.

Well, we arent responsible for them, no one is, they are responsible for themselves.
They made their bed, let them lay in it.

Populations all over have had enough of unilateral military interventions. If Obama does attack Syria, and it is distinctly possible since it’s characteristic of him to dither and dither and then do the wrong thing, the media will be all over it and the world will watch Syrian buildings collapse and Syrians blown to pieces by US shells and bombs. Both al Jazeera and RT have US media outlets now which they didn’t last time round and it wouldn’t be so easy to keep truth turned on its head. Unless the intervention really did explode across the whole area, and my hunch is it wouldn’t, it could well turn out to be the very last such undertaking because the world might simply not tolerate it again. Perhaps this is destined to be imperialism’s Indian Summer. That would be good for Iran and not so good for Netanyahu.

Having spoken to a couple of Arab friends (Yemenite), and a professional colleague (Palestinian), I’m coming to the realization that it doesn’t serve Israel’s interest to attack Syria for anything. Maybe where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and Israel is EXPLOITING something in the whole Syria mess, but I don’t think they’re behind staging or creating anything to threatan Assad’s rule. He’s a quiet neighbor, with an ineffective army. Those who replace him will likely be militant extremists who’ll operate philosophically like Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

I definitely think Israel’s long game is hurting Iran, and Syria is part of that plan, but I don’t buy any of this Zionist Lobby plot to attack Syria nonsense. It’s all speculation from what I’ve read here so far.

I definitely think Israel’s long game is hurting Iran, and Syria is part of that plan, but I don’t buy any of this Zionist Lobby plot to attack Syria nonsense.

so syria is part of israel’s plan to attack iran, but that would not include support for syria being attacked? is that what you mean? not really following you. and assuming your theory is true (which i don’t) do you have and other examples of bill kristol going up against the position of core members of the “Zionist Lobby”…or israel gov position?

and how would syria be part of the plan if israel’s position was ‘hands off syria’ (never mind they’ve already attacked syria themselves not long ago).

I just think that the weaker Assad is, or the more distracted he is, then the less he’ll be able to interfere with an attack on Iran. To take one example, Israel took a risk blowing up the nuclear reactor, and it bet correctly that Assad would do nothing. Then attacking the long-range missles a few months back just keeps him weak as well.

But it’s not in Israel’s or the Israeli Lobby’s interest to meddle in Syria to the point of overthrowing Assad. It simply doesn’t make sense. Israel would rather wait this one out as long as large scale conflict doesn’t cross the border. It’s just chaos over there, and no other government really wants to get directly involved.

Since reports surfaced of an apparent chemical attack outside Damascus, Israeli leaders have called for an American response, both on moral grounds and as a warning to Iran over its nuclear program. But on Sunday, after President Obama said he would delay a military strike to obtain Congressional approval, a new message emerged from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government: Do not say anything.

Israel’s ministers of defense and international affairs, who spoke out repeatedly last week, stayed silent on Sunday. Another member of Israel’s security cabinet canceled a news briefing scheduled for Monday, citing the delicate situation. Mr. Netanyahu himself issued a brief, bland statement saying Israel was “calm,” “self-assured” and “prepared for any scenario” before moving on to innocuous matters like wishing the world’s Jews a “good and blessed year.”

Behind closed doors, Mr. Netanyahu told his cabinet on Sunday that the situation was “evolving,” with “delicate matters” that he was managing “with discretion and responsibility,” and warned: “There is no room for private statements.”

“I ask that you not act without consideration and irresponsibly toward our ally in order to capture a moment of glory,” Mr. Netanyahu said

what glory might that be? america attacking syria for israel?

“It would be a mistake to overplay the Israeli interest,” said Itamar Rabinovich, who was Israel’s ambassador to the United States and also its chief negotiator with Syria in the 1990s. “It’s bad for Israel that the average American gets it into his or her mind that boys are again sent to war for Israel. They have to be sent to war for America.”

” I definitely think Israel’s long game is hurting Iran, and Syria is part of that plan, but I don’t buy any of this Zionist Lobby plot to attack Syria nonsense. It’s all speculation from what I’ve read here so far.”……JustJessetr

BS…..we are all watching the same Zionist orgs beat the war drums to destroy the ME for Israel as usual…….maybe they will suceed and one day get Israel destroyed and then we can all be done and finished with this uncurable boil on the elephant’s ass.

”’On Wednesday, the Foreign Policy Initiative—which was started by Bill Kristol, Dan Senor, Robert Kagan, and other hawkish-minded policy wonks—sent a letter to Obama, urging him to slam Assad in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria: “At a minimum, the United States, along with willing allies and partners, should use standoff weapons and airpower to target the Syrian dictatorship’s military units that were involved in the recent large-scale use of chemical weapons.”

But the letter—which was signed by Elliott Abrams, Fouad Ajami, Max Boot, Ellen Bork, Eliot Cohen, Douglas Feith, Joseph Lieberman, Clifford May, Joshua Muravchik, Danielle Pletka, Karl Rove, Randy Scheunemann, Kristol, Kagan, Senor, and dozens of others—demands that Obama go further. It calls on the president to provide “vetted moderate elements of Syria’s armed opposition” with the military support necessary to strike regime units armed with chemical weapons. That is, the neocons and their allies have CW-ized their pre-existing demand for the United States to arm the rebels.

And there’s more: “The United States and other willing nations should consider direct military strikes against the pillars of the Assad regime. The objectives should be not only to ensure that Assad’s chemical weapons no longer threaten America, our allies in the region or the Syrian people, but also to deter or destroy the Assad regime’s airpower and other conventional military means of committing atrocities against civilian non-combatants.” Plus, Obama should not only aid the rebels to thwart additional chemical weapons attacks; he should arm “moderate elements” of the opposition so that they can “prevail against” the Assad regime and the rebel factions affiliated with Al Qaeda or other Islamic extremists. In other words, get in whole hog.

Every sign from the White House indicates that the president does not want the United States to become a major participant in the Syrian conflict, let alone a key player in what could become a three-way civil war. It remains to be seen how Obama can thread the needle with a punitive strike that achieves its punitive goal but that does not lead to deeper US involvement in the war. But for the neocons and others—also signing the letter were Leon Wieseltier, Bernard-Henri Levy, and Tim Pawlenty—this is a moment to exploit. They want to turn a punitive strike into a commitment for war, and they have redeployed an argument from a decade ago: “The world—including Iran, North Korea, and other potential aggressors who seek or possess weapons of mass of destruction—is now watching to see how you respond.”

“I definitely think Israel’s long game is hurting Iran, and Syria is part of that plan, but I don’t buy any of this Zionist Lobby plot to attack Syria nonsense. It’s all speculation from what I’ve read here so far.”

Allow me a quote from the NYT, published just a couple of minutes ago:

“Administration officials said the influential pro-Israel lobby group Aipac was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Mr. Assad…”

I think that there is no “lobby” on this issue. Neocons have a presence in Israel and USA, inside the lobby and outside, but they do not constitute the entire lobby. At this junction, Egyptian junta is actually pro-Assad, while financed by Saudis and Emiratis who are pro-jihadis in Syrian context.

Gulf Arabs have too much money, USA has too many weapons and Israel has too much influence, so now we have snakes eating their own tails. I suspect that the gas attack near Damascus is a Saudi intrigue and the others from the above list are useful idiots or humor Saudis while securing a way out.

Historically, a hegemonic group that is very secure in its power splits into competing camps, but unites again if its hegemony is being challenged. Domestically, we have security Establishment which is split on a number of issues. Attack on Syria is bound to be unpopular among the bleeding heart liberals and those wingnuts who hate Islamist (and thus armed opposition in Syria).

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“But hold on. Didn’t Iraq – when it was “our” ally against Iran – also use gas on the Iranian army? It did. I saw the Ypres-like wounded of this foul attack by Saddam – US officers, I should add, toured the battlefield later and reported back to Washington – and we didn’t care a tinker’s curse about it. Thousands of Iranian soldiers in the 1980-88 war were poisoned to death by this vile weapon.

I travelled back to Tehran overnight on a train of military wounded and actually smelled the stuff, opening the windows in the corridors to release the stench of the gas. These young men had wounds upon wounds – quite literally. They had horrible sores wherein floated even more painful sores that were close to indescribable. Yet when the soldiers were sent to Western hospitals for treatment, we journos called these wounded – after evidence from the UN infinitely more convincing than what we’re likely to get from outside Damascus – “alleged” gas victims.

So what in heaven’s name are we doing? After countless thousands have died in Syria’s awesome tragedy, suddenly – now, after months and years of prevarication – we are getting upset about a few hundred deaths. Terrible. Unconscionable. Yes, that is true. But we should have been traumatised into action by this war in 2011. And 2012. But why now?

I suspect I know the reason. I think that Bashar al-Assad’s ruthless army might just be winning against the rebels whom we secretly arm. With the assistance of the Lebanese Hezbollah – Iran’s ally in Lebanon – the Damascus regime broke the rebels in Qusayr and may be in the process of breaking them north of Homs. Iran is ever more deeply involved in protecting the Syrian government. Thus a victory for Bashar is a victory for Iran. And Iranian victories cannot be tolerated by the West.

And while we’re on the subject of war, what happened to those magnificent Palestinian-Israeli negotiations that John Kerry was boasting about? While we express our anguish at the hideous gassings in Syria, the land of Palestine continues to be gobbled up. Israel’s Likudist policy – to negotiate for peace until there is no Palestine left – continues apace, which is why King Abdullah of Jordan’s nightmare (a much more potent one than the “weapons of mass destruction” we dreamed up in 2003) grows larger: that “Palestine” will be in Jordan, not in Palestine.

But if we are to believe the nonsense coming out of Washington, London, Paris and the rest of the “civilised” world, it’s only a matter of time before our swift and avenging sword smiteth the Damascenes. To observe the leadership of the rest of the Arab world applauding this destruction is perhaps the most painful historical experience for the region to endure. And the most shameful. Save for the fact that we will be attacking Shia Muslims and their allies to the handclapping of Sunni Muslims. And that’s what civil war is made of. ”

John Kerry was in the Senate starting 1984 and I believe was ALSO on the Senate Foreign Relations committee for at least the last half of the Iran-Iraq war – (Saddam used CW on the Iranians from Feb 1984 to the end of the war) during which time Saddam Hussein – with logistical and intelligence support from the US – gassed the Iranians with Chemical Weapons gas

Which means Kerry undoubtedly KNEW OF/IF NOT INVOLVED WITH US support for Saddam gassing the Iranians with Chemical Weapons (Mustard gas, apparently) and also undoubtedly KNEW OF/IF NOT INVOLVED WITH the US blockage of the attemptedUN condemnation of Saddam’s chemical weapons attacks

This puts Kerry in the position of BEING COMPLICIT with gassing Iranians with Chemical Weapons (Mustard gas) but hypocritically crying crocodile tears over Syrians getting gassed

gingershot, if Kerry was still on the committee at the end of the Iraq-Iran war, it would mean that he was also on it 6 months before when Saddam also used some of the gas provided to him by the West, to kill about 5,000 Kurds in Halabja, Iraq; from the BBC:

March 16, 1988: Thousands die in Halabja gas attack
Thousands of people are reported to have been killed and many others injured in a poison gas attack on a Kurdish city in northern Iraq.
Up to 20 aircraft, said to include Iraqi Migs and Mirages, were seen overhead at around 1100 local time in Halabja.

According to experts, the chemicals dropped by the planes may have included mustard gas, the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX and possibly cyanide.

The attack on Halabja, which is about 150 miles (241km) north-east of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, is the latest in the Iran-Iraq war and follows its occupation by Iranian forces.

Iraq was said to be keen to avenge the fall of Halabja, which is seen as an important centre for Kurdish resistance in their struggle for autonomy.

The assault came after two days of conventional mortars, artillery and rockets from nearby mountains.

According to pro-Iranian Kurdish commanders in Halabja, there were up to 14 aircraft sorties, with seven to eight planes in each group.

The planes were believed to have concentrated their attacks on the city and all the roads leading out of it.

Eyewitnesses have told of clouds of smoke billowing upward “white, black and then yellow”‘, rising as a column about 150 feet (46 metres)in the air.

Most of the wounded, who were taken to hospital in the Iranian capital Tehran, were suffering from mustard gas exposure.

Those who escaped death have developed respiratory or visual problems from the cocktail of chemicals dropped on the city.

According to some reports, up to 75% of the victims were women and children.

Just, Fisk has a long history of reporting major events in the ME. You’d be interested in what he wrote of Israeli atrocities during their 1982 occupation of Beirut and the killing of about 25,000 mostly civilians and of the disappearance of thousands of men, mostly Palestinians that had been taken to the football stadium for interrogation by the Israelis.

Fisk also reported from the Sabra-Chatilla Palestinian refugee camp in 1982 immediately after the massacre of about 2000 mostly women and children refugees in the camp at the hands of the Lebanese Christian militia and the Israeli army.

In 1982, Fisk was also inside Hama when the massacre of about 20,000 Muslim Brothers happened. The West remained silent to the massacre during which it was alleged that poison gas was used because it more or less agreed to it. Here’s an interview with Fisk on Jazeera last year for the 30th anniversary of the event. It also sheds a bit of light on from where and when the current anger of the Brothers is rooted:

With all these different massacres he has witnessed for decades, the man must have some awful nightmares.

He really must be amazingly resilient to have endured and witnessed so much agony, Walid. I have read much from him before– he’s quite the journalist. Many other faux journalists could learn from him, and the reporting of Shadid (RIP).

He really must be amazingly resilient to have endured and witnessed so much agony, Walid. I have read much from him before– he’s quite the journalist. Many other faux journalists could learn from him, and the reporting of Anthony Shadid (RIP). Bless him, Anthony would have told the truth.

Vice President Joseph Biden became the highest level US official to blame Assad for Ghouta, declaring, …

Biden may be a high official, but he has a history of dubious declarations.

… last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today’s leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s response to a previous national financial crisis.

Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”

What’s wrong with that, some might ask?

Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn’t take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time.

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

The US government has pushed my hypocrisy meter to its max reading with all their crocodile tears for the people of Syria. The US is a player in the war in Syria and is as much responsible for deaths there as is Assad. More so even, since any ruler, democratic or otherwise, will fight to the end to prevent the overthrow of a country’s government, particularly when foreign forces are involved. What is really sick is that while the US is so, so concerned about the Syrians, they don’t give a rat’s ass about the charnel house the Egypt has become under their military government. So unconcerned that it will not stop the spigots of US dollars and weapons going to support those mad-dog killers.

On a related note, is it not possible for a Nobel Peace Prize to be withdrawn? If that committee had any self-respect they would have done so long ago. Think what a message that would send if they were to man up and do that.

The MSM is giving the general public a nice dose of the’ US must strike Syria to prove it will protect Israel’ this am—–let’s hope they keep up.
I lost track of how many times the news channels kept talking about how the US would be making Israel feel ‘insecure’ if we didnt bomb Syria.
Do it more I-Firsters— more, more, faster, faster.

“Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” McCain is Obama’s new best friend. Just goes to show you how much bullshet Candidate Obama fed the masses with his grandiose speeches and how far most Americans really are from intelligent, enlightened perception and consciousness.

But what do you expect, when twerking is what grabs and holds the attention of the majority of American masses. And the rest of the world is forced to live with the consequences of America’s misguided decisions and actions. Upside-down world!

The Obama administration supported Biden’s claim by citing classified communications intercepted from Syrian officials – intelligence that appeared to have been supplied by the Israelis.

I wonder if the Israelis used the same voice actors who recorded Colin Powell’s “smoking gun” evidence. Here’s some of what Colin’s “Iraqi” actors had to say…

Colin L. Powell (5 February 2003): Let’s review a few selected items of this conversation. Two officers talking to each other on the radio want to make sure that nothing is misunderstood. “Remove.” “Remove.” “The expression.” “The expression.” “The expression. I got it.” “Nerve agents.” “Nerve agents.” “Wherever it comes up.” “Got it, wherever it comes up.” “In the wireless instructions.” “In the instructions.” “Correction, no, in the wireless instructions.” “Wireless, I got it.”http://web.archive.org/web/20050204130309/http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2003/17300.htm

I long assumed Israel was a driving force for war in Syria. But then on August 28 Phyllis Bennis — whom I usually rely on — appeared on Democracy Now telling a different story. Here is what she said:

You have new pressures now coming from Israel. Israel had been opposed, or at least was standing quiet, on the idea of using military force against the government in Syria, because the government in Syria has, frankly, been very helpful to Israel. It’s kept the occupied Golan Heights quiet, kept the border stable, kept the level of violence very much down, despite all the rhetoric. http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/28/as_strikes_on_syria_loom_is

When the Israelis’ controversial twenty-two-day military campaign in Gaza ended, on January 18th, it also seemed to end the promising peace talks between Israel and Syria. The two countries had been engaged for almost a year in negotiations through intermediaries in Istanbul. Many complicated technical matters had been resolved, and there were agreements in principle on the normalization of diplomatic relations. The consensus, as an ambassador now serving in Tel Aviv put it, was that the two sides had been “a lot closer than you might think.”

At an Arab summit in Qatar in mid-January, however, Bashar Assad, the President of Syria, angrily declared that Israel’s bombing of Gaza and the resulting civilian deaths showed that the Israelis spoke only “the language of blood.” He called on the Arab world to boycott Israel, close any Israeli embassies in the region, and sever all “direct or indirect ties with Israel.” Syria, Assad said, had ended its talks over the Golan Heights.

Nonetheless, a few days after the Israeli ceasefire in Gaza, Assad said in an e-mail to me that although Israel was “doing everything possible to undermine the prospects for peace,” he was still very interested in closing the deal. “We have to wait a little while to see how things will evolve and how the situation will change,” Assad said. “We still believe that we need to conclude a serious dialogue to lead us to peace.”

American and foreign government officials, intelligence officers, diplomats, and politicians said in interviews that renewed Israeli-Syrian negotiations over the Golan Heights are now highly likely, despite Gaza and the elections in Israel in February, which left the Likud Party leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, at the head of a coalition that includes both the far right and Labor. Those talks would depend largely on America’s willingness to act as the mediator, a role that could offer Barack Obama his first—and perhaps best—chance for engagement in the Middle East peace process.

A senior Syrian official explained that Israel’s failure to unseat Hamas from power in Gaza, despite the scale of the war, gave Assad enough political room to continue the negotiations without losing credibility in the Arab world. Assad also has the support of Arab leaders who are invested in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani,* the ruler of Qatar, said last month when I saw him in Doha that Assad must take any reasonable steps he can to keep the talks going. “Syria is eager to engage with the West,” he said, “an eagerness that was never perceived by the Bush White House. Anything is possible, as long as peace is being pursued.”

According to Seymour Hersh’s article in the New Yorker – Assad was equally eager to re-start and resume talks.

The New Yorker article is a fascinating insight into the strategic motivations of all parties involved, and also , note the now ironic quote from Alistair Crooke about how high Bashar Al Assad’s standing in the Arab world was at the time..

In 2010, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad accused Israel of avoiding peace, and Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem warned that in the event of a future war, Israeli cities would be targeted by Syrian missiles. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman responded by saying that the Syrian military would be defeated in a war with Israel, and Assad and his family would be forced from power. Lieberman also advised Syria to let go of the demand for the Golan Heights.[2]

For several months in 2010 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel engaged in secret, American-brokered discussions with Syria.[3]

All over Cable TV news today nobody questions the WH data on who caused the gas attack in Syria, and nobody mentions we got the key part of that from Mossad. Meanwhile, an independent organization has produced counter data as to who caused said attack, and its complete with saying what it does not know for sure: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36071.htm

On the way to and from my local gym, I listened to conservative talk radio for about ten minutes. I was pretty amazed. Not one caller wanted the US to strike Syria. They all had somewhat different reasons. One thing is clear, the conservative little folk grassroots are really tuned into this pending congressional decision. A number of the calls were from people who had nephew or niece grunts in the military. BTW none of the callers said or inferred anything bad about Obama. Bush Jr’s fraudulent war on Iraq definitely has made an impression in the heartland, adding to eventual impression of the lie of Gold of Tolkin. Our government is producing new generations of grass roots white Americans who have no trust in their government; this is being added to the minority’s who never had such trust. Now, let’s see what our Israel First congress does with this slow blooming.

The two amigo’s were of the opinion that after meeting Obama today “We have been given some reason to believe that some very serious strikes may take place as opposed to cosmetic ones,” the senator said. On the other hand Obama has to convince his supporters they will only be cosmetic, what a fraud this man is,

… Snip… Israeli leaders, especially right-wing politicians and pundits, have in recent days loudly denounced the rest of the world for not lifting a finger to stop the slaughter in Syria and oust Assad. Until not too long ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the defense establishment quietly backed Assad, viewing him as a shield against radical Islam in Syria.

Now the mood has changed. Assad has become the new Hitler, and the world is silent, just as it was during the Holocaust. What is to be done?Ostensibly, the solution is clear and simple. Israel has a strong army and a superb air force. If its leaders wanted to, they could easily use it to hit any strategic target in Syria, after years of precise intelligence monitoring and detailed operational planning. According to international reports, the Israel Air Force has already hit several targets in Syria this year, with exemplary precision and with no Israeli losses.

Thus our leaders could order the planes to take off; the pilots know the route and the targets.Yet even after the “red line” was crossed by using chemical weapons to slaughter civilians, the air force is conducting business as usual.

No one has ordered it to put a stop to Assad’s murderous rampage by destroying his command posts, air force, armored divisions, missile bases and chemical weapons.If the call for intervention in Syria stems from moral considerations, as its supporters claim, there’s no doubt that Israel, founded on the ashes of the Holocaust, should set an example for the world and send its air force to land a decisive blow on the “Syrian Hitler’s” SS units. The same strike could also hit the Hezbollah infantry units fighting nearby.

Of course there’s a risk, but it’s clear the United States would give full backing to such an operation and replenish the Israeli army’s ammunition stores. Destroying Syria’s strategic weapons and shattering its army, with international backing, would remove the Syrian threat from Israel for years to come and deprive Iran of an important ally in advance of a possible Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.”

Israel finally admitted it; it fired the missiles as part of a target practice.>>>>>

According to news this am Israel announced that launchng the missile was a ‘joint test” with the USA.”
The pentagon says it was not a joint test wth the US.
This is Israel being provocative—and appearing to the ME to be standing on the US shoulders

” Destroying Syria’s strategic weapons and shattering its army, with international backing, would remove the Syrian threat from Israel “

Er …. According to the UNSC it is Israel who has illegally acquired the Golan. And, as Israel has ignored its obligations to International Law and the UN Charter and Chapt VI UNSC resolutions to withdraw from all non-Israeli territory, Syria has had the legal right to “restore” its sovereignty over its territory by force if necessary. Yet Syria didn’t, preferring the machinations of the UN which alas have been rendered powerless in respect to the rogue state of Israel by the US veto vote in the UNSC.

The MSM is really promoting the Syria strike——on Morning Joe this am Jeffery Goldberg was on for 15 minutes.

A few choice quotes:
1) ‘Hezbollah and Iran are ‘our’ sworn enemies’….I guess his ‘our’ means Israel.
2) “Obama has gone to AIPAC to enlist their help with congress in getting approval for the Syria strike.”

Huuumm….the USA Prez has to go the foreign country Lobby of Israel to control the USA congress. Glad to see this being said on the MSM. Maybe it will help more of the public catch on. Good job Jeffery…keep it up.

They never stop lying.These guys supplied OSP through Sharons minions in US cabinet
They supplied US with Iranain nuke programme and Yellow Ribbon and “wiping Israel off map” theory.
But why blame Isreal. Its the western would be intelelctuals ,politicans,media-man , and academic that accepts the misinformation for money and positive exposure to press , access to position in those sectors that they come from or wish to join.
Then these same figures cite these evidneces and state his initial poistion. Once these position is uttered and made to public, Isreali minions start agittaing saying ” You have told that that – this country – has said and done these thinbgs but why are you not taking a stronger position and making a forceful responses? Why are you shoing this weakness? ”
Their is always opponent who wnats to make hay while sun shines.So the next wnnna-be academic, politician ,media man comes out with full Isreali backings and start demading why “our leaders,medua,academics are silent”
The fight starts and Isreal watches form outside the ring as referee or judge conferring and bestowing rewards ,label,money,or disdain or unsatisfactory report through its mulitiple organizations . Ameriacn public get suddenly informed and poll number shifts. When poll does not shift, Israel tells the leaders not to be led by puvblic opinion in a moment like this but to lead the nation . The war starts. When war unravels and fails, it creates another crisis and moves the eyes and the minds from the last fiasco.No postmortem is done. No reviwe takes palce.nO bidy is asked to explain. New crisis gives life back to the same game and the deadly circus keeps on travelling from town to town

Kerry Pushes Syria War With More Hitler Rhetoric
Insists Obama Can Attack No Matter What Congress Says
by Jason Ditz, September 02, 2013

”Pushing the war in Syria has become the Obama Administration’s singular drive, brushing aside myriad other issues to focus on cowing the American public into accepting their desire to attack Syria at all costs.
On Sunday, Kerry very explicitly likened Assad to Adolf Hitler, insisting the two, along with Saddam Hussein, are the only ones accused of using chemical weapons, assuming one sets an arbitrary cut-off date that avoids literally everyone involved in World War 1 and several others in that era.
Today, Kerry did it again, likening next week’s war vote to the 1938 Munich agreement, (from Politico)in which British Prime Minister Nevile Chamberlain sought to avoid war with Germany.”

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday with a reassuring message: the Obama administration is determined to take action against Bashar Assad’s regime in response to the August 21 chemical weapons attack.
According to a senior official in the State Department, Kerry stressed during the call that the U.S. will ensure that Assad “will be held accountable.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I wonder if Kerry isnt using this Syria thing because he’s such a fool he thinks it will be ‘a favor’ to Israel to aid him with Israel on I/P. He is truely stupid if he thinks that.

Not surprising Obama checked in with his boss, Netanyahu, first before informing Americans he would take the matter of a Syria invasion to Congress and that now Kerry is reassuring the boss that the invasion WILL happen, don’t worry. And if y’all really believe Netanyahu caaaares that Assad is killing other Arabs, I got a swampland deal you can look at! Another WAR paid for by the U.S. in the region that benefits Israel is ALL that Netanyahu cares about and the same Congress that jumped up and down dozens of times to give Netanyahu standing ovations will also JUMP when he says GO to WAR with Syria, already!

Come on America line up!– ISRAEL WANTS YOU to take Al Qaeda’s side in the Syrian civil war and get into the fight! So send your kids to Syria to die on Al Qaeda’s side, YES, that Al Qaeda! You know, the one you lost all kinds of treasure to chasing down in Afghanistan, and the same one that wasn’t even in Iraq but then joined that fight just to kill Americans and string them up from a bridge over the Euphrates and the same one that sent planes into the twin towers! Yes, thaaaat Al Qaeda that isn’t hesitating to sever Christian clergy’s heads in Syria! If your kids being asked to fight on the side of Al Qaeda isn’t the Twilight Zone, then I don’t knoiw what is…!

Picture this: while your kids end up risking their skin in Syria’s civil war alongside Al Qaeda; Israelis will FIRST be sitting back and watching the expensive fireworks you paid for while chomping on popcorn and chips AND HOPING it all leads to an expanded WAR. At this very moment, Zionists are busy at work in the media and in Congress beating the WAR drums and making you believe that all this is in your best interests.

Make no mistake about it, defense contractors, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon will fill their coffers with your taxes, and then Russian reconnaissance ships will help the Syrian gov avoid those U.S. cruise missiles while Israelis watch billions of YOUR tax dollars NOT THEIRS go up in smoke, and then when the conflict expands, you’ll be knee deep in WAR sh..t again for years to come!

Okay, nowww you can go back to Hannah Montana twerking up to the older guy while Congress decides to AGAIN put your kids in harm’s way and throw away their future by sinking all your hard-earned cash for Israel’s sake! Pffft, what more can I say, except-WAAAAAAAAKE UP and do something about it! Oh what’s the use!

“On Sunday, Kerry very explicitly likened Assad to Adolf Hitler, insisting the two, along with Saddam Hussein, are the only ones accused of using chemical weapons, assuming one sets an arbitrary cut-off date that avoids literally everyone involved in World War 1 and several others in that era.”

What a bunch of nonsense. The Germans almost certainly didn’t use chemical weapons in WWII. (They used gas in the camps, of course, but those weren’t munitions.) The Japanese did, in the war in China. The US used nuclear/radiological weapons in Japan, and released carcinogenic chemical agents all over Indochina. And, of course, the US got the assist in Saddam’s use, giving them information.

so much jackassery in one post– the implication that Israel’s just sitting there all innocent and hasn’t done anything to exacerbate the current situation– that it hasn’t watched gleefully for years prior to deciding that “action must be taken so we can do whatever we want and feel safe about it.”

Of course, it wouldn’t be hophmi without some idiotic comments implying that Arabs are woman-haters by default and could only produce dictatorships.

You remind me of this infected sore I have on the inside of my finger– everytime my fingers rub together, it reminds me what a useless nuisance it is.

It’s rather war with Iran !
Whatever happened, they (US, maybe with Israel) pushing planet a step from apocalypse, and even a possibility of such horrendous scenario telling us how reckless and bloodthirsty these people are.

It’s rather war with Iran !
Whatever happened, they (US, maybe with Israel) pushing planet one step away from apocalypse, and even a possibility of such horrendous scenario telling us how reckless and bloodthirsty these people are.
Russians also have their “red line” ready and soon Chinese will set their, and if Empire can’t accept that, soon we will see them drawing few of these lines for US and Israel.
But as I said, this is a push in escalation toward Iran, since Iran is only real obstacle for Israel and US in establishing total control over Arabs-Muslims and their land and oil (and those feudal monarchies around Gulf).

I’m not sure that Israel and the pro-Israel lobbies have the power to push the US or France and the UK to war all by themselves. If they indeed go to war, it will be because it is in their interests too. Or at least in the interests of some powerful sectors within the Western Powers (military industries for example).

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