Post subject: Re: Nutrition Question - Can I see what you typically eat?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:00 am

Finch

Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:50 pmPosts: 3

I just picked up Jillian Michael's Making the Cut a couple of days ago after hearing good things from another non-meat eating friend. My friend however is still trying to figure out how to adjust Jillian's recommended diet plan as it is not vegan-friendly.

Her menu plans are designed to balance out proteins, carbs and fat based on how fast or slow one's metabolism functions. So for example, based on the quiz in the book, I would follow the balanced diet and some mornings for breakfast she lists cottage cheese or for lunch roast beef philly wrap....don't know how to substitute those with something vegan that will come close in terms of protein equivalency. Or does that even matter?

Not sure if anyone here has tried this program or any of her others, but the objective for this one is to get lean in 30 days, shedding those last 10-20 lbs. Would I be better off following parts of Robert's pre-contest diet, or perhaps borrowing some of the strategies other members have posted?

Personally I don't care for diets that talk about 'blood type' or 'metabolism type' or 'hormone response type' or any other categories of people. Yeah people are different, but usually those 'type' diet books are just a gimmick to differentiate themselves from the thousands of other diet books.

You simply need to restrict calories, get lots of protein and veggies, and exercise. Those are the three things. Stick with it and you will get results! And feel free to ask for more details if you need them.

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Post subject: Re: Nutrition Question - Can I see what you typically eat?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:10 am

Elephant

Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:18 pmPosts: 2874Location: Montreal

Fallen_Horse wrote:

You simply need to restrict calories, get lots of protein and veggies, and exercise. Those are the three things. Stick with it and you will get results! And feel free to ask for more details if you need them.

I would like more details. To eat lots of protein and veggies, does it mean I can eat pork ribs, 10 cans of tuna per day, and lots of romaine lettuce with chocolate dazed donuts ? Also, if I am someone who is terribly skinny and I want to gain mass, I need to restrict calories ?

Post subject: Re: Nutrition Question - Can I see what you typically eat?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:46 am

Manatee

Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:17 pmPosts: 480Location: Carbondale, CO

Fallen_Horse wrote:

You simply need to restrict calories, get lots of protein and veggies, and exercise. Those are the three things. Stick with it and you will get results! And feel free to ask for more details if you need them.

It is not that simple. All calories are created equal. If I am maintaining my weight on 2400 calories a day and consuming say 100g of fiber, and I restrict calories to 2100 calories a day by eliminating the thing with the fiber and replacing it with something that has a lower calorie count, but no fiber, I am now gaining 100 calories a day, whereas before I was maintaining my weight.

There has to be much more thought put into what you eat and what those calories represent.

KRW wrote:

I just picked up Jillian Michael's Making the Cut a couple of days ago after hearing good things from another non-meat eating friend. My friend however is still trying to figure out how to adjust Jillian's recommended diet plan as it is not vegan-friendly.

I wouldn't recommend listening to anything Jillian Michael says. Almost every personal trainer I have talked with thinks she is a joke and a huge sell out. No professional PT would ever do the things to an obese individual that she does on her show. And, she knows nothing about nutrition. If she did know something about nutrition, she wouldn't have to make a 300 pound woman run 5 miles to lose weight.

I am working on getting cut right now. I am doing P90X and some long slow distance exercises. I track my calories on fitday.com and restrict them from 500 to 1000 calories a day. I upped my protein intake with pea and rice protein and occasionally seitan and tofu to help maintain body mass. I am taking in anywhere from 20%-40% protein daily and 60 - 120 grams of fiber. It is slowly working for me, but considering I have had this fat since I was a baby, I expect it to be difficult.

You simply need to restrict calories, get lots of protein and veggies, and exercise. Those are the three things. Stick with it and you will get results! And feel free to ask for more details if you need them.

I would like more details. To eat lots of protein and veggies, does it mean I can eat pork ribs, 10 cans of tuna per day, and lots of romaine lettuce with chocolate dazed donuts ? Also, if I am someone who is terribly skinny and I want to gain mass, I need to restrict calories ?

Pork ribs are mostly fat, not protein. Romaine lettuce is good for you. Donuts are not protein or veggies. And she isn't looking to gain mass, she is looking to lose weight.

Ducati wrote:

Fallen_Horse wrote:

You simply need to restrict calories, get lots of protein and veggies, and exercise. Those are the three things. Stick with it and you will get results! And feel free to ask for more details if you need them.

It is not that simple. All calories are created equal. If I am maintaining my weight on 2400 calories a day and consuming say 100g of fiber, and I restrict calories to 2100 calories a day by eliminating the thing with the fiber and replacing it with something that has a lower calorie count, but no fiber, I am now gaining 100 calories a day, whereas before I was maintaining my weight.

There has to be much more thought put into what you eat and what those calories represent.

I think you are proving my point? I told her to eat veggies and protein, and eat under her maintenance calories. How does there need to be more detail than that?

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Post subject: Re: Nutrition Question - Can I see what you typically eat?

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:20 pm

Manatee

Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:17 pmPosts: 480Location: Carbondale, CO

Fallen_Horse wrote:

I think you are proving my point? I told her to eat veggies and protein, and eat under her maintenance calories. How does there need to be more detail than that?[/quote]

Look at the math I presented. You can eat less than your maintenance calories and gain weight if you eat the right foods to maintain your weight, and the wrong foods to restrict your calories. For example, replacing lentils with avocados (a vegetable which is 75% fat).

And according to fitday, pork ribs are mostly protein. About 2/3's protein and 1/3 fat.

I think you are proving my point? I told her to eat veggies and protein, and eat under her maintenance calories. How does there need to be more detail than that?

Look at the math I presented. You can eat less than your maintenance calories and gain weight if you eat the right foods to maintain your weight, and the wrong foods to restrict your calories. For example, replacing lentils with avocados (a vegetable which is 75% fat).

And according to fitday, pork ribs are mostly protein. About 2/3's protein and 1/3 fat.

Post subject: Re: Nutrition Question - Can I see what you typically eat?

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:07 am

Manatee

Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:17 pmPosts: 480Location: Carbondale, CO

Fallen_Horse,

You disagree that fiber is not readily digestable? Please show some studies that show the carbs in fiber are available for energy. You keep saying it is as simple as burn more calories than you consume, but then you also state that we should eat veggies and protein. Why can't someone eat donuts and potato chips and keep their calories below their maintenance calories?

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