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Thursday, June 29, 2006

You Need a Credit Card to Do That!

As Pat pointed out, there is an abundance of material from the Alan Colmes' interview of Jim Fetzer, however, the rumors that we are starting up a sister site “Screw Jim Fetzer” are just premature speculation. Not that this would be a bad idea, but I don’t think the pun would work…

Regardless here is another example of the inanity, and utter disregard for truth in the 9/11 “truth” movement. They are insulting, arrogant, and even lie about their own assertions. From the 16:20 mark of the interview:

Alan: Joe in Seattle, hello.

Joe: Hi Alan, very good point by the way, I got two things I want to say. Number 1, you are now talking to someone that is directly involved in this big conspiracy. My uncle died in Pennsylvania, so I guess this guy figures my uncle is part of the conspiracy, my aunt…

Fetzer: (yelling) What do you know about what happened in Pennsylvania?! I am sorry your uncle is dead, but what do you know about what happened?

Joe: You’re not sorry. You’re an idiot. You’ve got no idea what is going on, you are making things up. You’re hypothesizing and it’s really great.

Fetzer: This is quite ridiculous. I’ll be glad to talk about Pennsylvania. I had residents call me, and tell me that they explained to the FBI that they heard explosions in the air before anything hit the ground and the FBI would not write it down. I have had other citizens there write me letters and tell me they were taking by officials to a search area far larger than the officially designated area and the sheriff told them that if they mentioned it to anyone the sheriff would deny it. I…

Joe: I could give you a list of all the names(unintelligible interspersed talking)

OK, well all we have established here is that Fetzer is a jerk, who bases his theories on anonymous sources. But we already knew that, let's continue:

Alan: Alright, alright, Joe you’re claiming your uncle was on the plane and your uncle died on flight 93?

Joe: My uncle was on the plane, and was talking to my aunt during the hijacking.

Fetzer: Oh really!

Joe: I guess my uncle is a liar.

Fetzer: On a cell phone? That’s incredible because you can’t make those cell phones! We have a professor of computer science flying all over the country with different cell phones. He tries...

Joe: Oh God!

Fetzer: At altitudes above 2000 feet, at speeds above 230 it is almost impossible. It is almost impossible to make the connections. The relays…

The professor that Fetzer is talking about, A. K. Dewdney, did a study, which he elaborately called "Project Achilles" But it was not based upon "flying all over the country with different cellphones" It involved two Motorola cell phones flying around in a Cessna over London Ontario. Even then it was not "almost impossible" to make a call above 2000 feet, he noted a 75% success rate at 2000 feet. Maybe there is some other study he is talking about, if so it would be nice if he could share it with the rest of us.

But let's continue, here Joe from Seattle gets the Screw Loose Change award for "comeback of the day":

Joe: Yo Einstein! Have you ever been on a plane, there is a phone on the back of every seat there?

Fetzer: You think those hijackers were just going to let passengers make cell phones, or those.... those.... plane phones? You need a credit card (voice cracking) to do that! It is kind of (unintelligible)

Joe: (laughter)

I think that bit speaks for itself.

Now as we continue, we find out that Fetzer considers himself a combination between Socrates and Steven Seagal:

Fetzer: One thing I thought about these hijackers that is kind of bizarre. If I had encountered a bunch of hijackers with boxcutters, I would have taken my luggage and beat ‘em to death.

Joe: Well I guess Alan, I guess my aunt’s a lying... well you know.

Alan: Are you suggesting his uncle is probably alive somewhere?

Fetzer: No, I am not suggesting he is alive. I am saying he has no idea how exactly how he died. And look I had a friend…

Joe: I think he died in a plane crash!

Fetzer then goes off about a friend who investigates air crashes. There is no doubt the 9/11 "truth" movement is the best evidence against itself.

At least when I insult someone I destroy their points first, Mr. Oswald.

No, you find something on Google and claim it to be factual and relevant, then you insult. Though sometimes you simply insult. I understand it's genetic inferiority, I am empathetic to your plight which is why I'm nice to you.

We have been over this telephone calls thing how many times already? Why couldn't the 9/11 Commission have nailed down whether it was possible for that guy on Flight 93 to make a cell phone call from the lavatory? Why don't we have the records from the airphone calls? These things actually exist some place, don't they? How about the credit card statements for those calls? If the investigation was anything like thorough, every call that could have been made by someone on those planes would have been investigated. These events are important for history.

...there's also no proof that you need a credit card to dial zero for an operator.http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-02/09-10-02/a02wn022.htmThe caller was Todd Beamer... "He told me that he had dialed zero to report his plane was being hijacked...", she said...

every call that could have been made by someone on those planes would have been investigated.

Why do you idiots keep pulling up this shit like a normal, sane human would think of it? People heard their family members on the plane. No sane person goes "hmmm maybe they used some software to somehow fake their calls in real time, let's investigate that".

I've been on flights where I've heard cell phones ring several minutes after take off. Altitude at that point is, what? 4,000-5,000 feet?

If you were AT ALL serious about your investigations you'd fly over the path of Flight 93 diling a cell phone from various altitudes. Instead what do you CTers do? You rely on studies that explore whether cells work over other places, like London, Ontario.

I'm seeing a pattern with you guys, joan. You make claims and raise questions and then make NO EFFORT at answering them! Ditto for the "hijackers are still alive myth." Shouldn't one of you have tried to CONTACT the still alive hijackers? wouldn't blown the whole conspiracy wide open if you could produce a hijacker alive and well for the cameras. Yet instead of taking the next logic step you just spam the net with a BBC piece from Sept 2001.

joan could also read the trial transcripts and find more of the information about the calls. Or file a FOIA.But no instead lets keep the mystery going....and once you DO find it .....just claim its fake again.

chf,You think I should be like that Republican in Congress who shot watermelons in his back yard to prove that Vince Foster's gunshot should have been heard in the Saudi embassy?????

No, I don't think I have to go out and fly in airplanes over Pennsylvania and then put the information on a sandwich board and walk around Times Square. I think that was the job of the 9/11 commission.

Deep down I'm sure most of them suspect something is wrong with their theories. I'm sure they really do find it troubling that NO structural engineers agree with them, regardless of how many time they say they don't care.

This is why they don't make the slighest effort to prove their own points. They're terrified of what they'll find and where that leaves them.

For example, imagine if they looked into the "hijhackers are alive" story and found them to be dead?

Real hijackers would derail that mindless shit about "remote controlled" planes and "faked" phone calls" and "passenger being offloaded in Cleveland."

Well chf, back when I was 11 and 12 I believed nonsensical theories like these. I listened to Art Bell and read the New American(publication of the John Birch Society). I noticed a few years later that conspiracy theories cause a great deal of frustration. The whole time you are being told that the "truth" is obvious and irrefutable; yet for some reason no "justice" is done.

That's the problem with conspiracy theories; as they are non-falsifiable they can never be proven. After I reached my mid-teens and stopped believing in such nonsense, I still saw a lot of injustice in the world, but I learned to use critical thinking to seperate the real from the conspiracies. It is really a liberating feeling.

If puberty can cure belief in CTs, could it be that CT believers just have arrested development.

Look, guys, I am happy to reject false ideas as quickly as you, but, respectfully, you have to put good ideas in their place, not ones that are equally questionable. I should tell you I DON'T like false claims by 9/11 conspiracy theorists because I believe 9/11 was an inside job on the evidence I've seen and I don't want to promote wrong ideas. So here's some more ideas, tell me where I'm wrong, not a lot of handwaving or put downs, please:

Most of the reported calls were made from above 8,000 feet, some over 30,000 feet. The terrorist announced they were taking over Flight 93 at 9.32am and cell phone calls were placed shortly after from heights over 30,000 feet. Peter Hanson on Flight 175 called his father on what was reported to be his cell phone at 8.52am, one minute after the terrorists took over the plane. The plane was at a cruising altitude of 31,000 feet at that time.

And remember, a number of those callers specifically mentioned they were being made from cell phones (as opposed to back of the seat pay phones).

Only recently has technology been trialled to allow cell phone calls from commercial airplanes at high altitide

Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft."

He goes on to quote Aviation Week (07/20/04):

"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground."

Recently[2006] there have been various media announcements about succesful trials of this technology and cell phone calls from height. They are usually withdrawn after a day or two because they attract so much flack. 9/11 critics point out the discrepancies arising from the official story.

People can argue the case about the heights at which the various plane phone calls were made, or they can argue about whether any cell phone calls were made at all. But the official account supports the claim that a number of cell phone calls were made above 8,000 feet with a next to zero probability of success and that the technology necessary to make such calls possible had yet to be invented.

You might be right about the cell phone calls. But you haven't made your case. Officially, impossible cell phone calls were made on 9/11.

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