I do worry he is getting a bit het up: this is only a discussion on the internet after all. I do think his incivility is out of order in a discussion of science, but then it is, as I say, the internet.

Yes. Griff focuses exclusively on Arctic ice from 1979 onward. Griff has blinders on so that he/she/it does not have to address the satellite record prior to 1979 as shown in the FAR IPCC report. And even Walt Meier of NASA, formerly of the NSIDC, acknowledges that there has been considerably less Arctic sea ice than present at times during the Holocene. But anything detracting one iota from the message of climate doom is terra incognito for Griff.

“If it isn’t deviating from the mean, it ought to be tracking the mean.” — WHY?

The earth’s climate is NOT linear can’t you get that through your thick skull.

Even the IPCC admitted the earth’s climate is NOT linear.

…in climate research and modeling we should recognise that we are dealing with a complex non linear chaotic signature and therefore that long-term prediction of future climatic states is not possible…

IPCC 2001 section 4.2.2.2 page 774

As Dr Brown, physicist @ Duke University said“The Earth’s climate is manifestly, empirically bistable, with a warm phase and cold phase, and the cold phase is both more likely and more stable.”

…..Let me [Dr Brown] also comment on the connection between HK dynamics and statistics and chaos. Complex nonlinear multivariate systems often exhibit “strange attractors” — local fixed points in a set of coupled nonlinear ordinary differential equations — that function as foci for Poincare cycles in the multivariate phase space. In classical deterministic chaos, a system will often end up in a complex orbit around multiple attractors, one that essentially never repeats (and the attractors themselves may migrate around as this is going on). In a system such as the climate, we can never include enough variables to describe the actual system on all relevant length scales (e.g. the butterfly effect — MICROSCOPIC perturbations grow exponentially in time to drive the system to completely different states over macroscopic time) so the best that we can often do is model it as a complex nonlinear set of ordinary differential equations with stochastic noise terms — a generalized Langevin equation or generalized Master equation, as it were — and average behaviors over what one hopes is a spanning set of butterfly-wing perturbations to assess whether or not the resulting system trajectories fill the available phase space uniformly or perhaps are restricted or constrained in some way. We might physically expect this to happen if the system has strong nonlinear negative feedback terms that stabilize it around some particular (family of) attractors. Or, we might find that the system is in or near a “critical” regime where large fluctuations are possible and literally anything can happen, and then change without warning to anything else, with very little pattern in what happens or how long it lasts…..

The present continent configuration, with the closing of the Isthmus of Panama and the opening of Drake Passage had a major impact on the Earth’s climate causing the present Ice Age and the earth is now in an ice age, (just the brief warm spike.) You can see in this graph of the last five million years the switches from one ‘Strange Attractor’ to another.

Hey Gail, I just had to put in a “thank you” for reposting some of Dr. Brown’s comments. It is always a pleasure to read his insightful and clearly expressed thoughts. I am especially impressed with his (in my opinion) wonderful understanding of the chaotic nature of the planetary climate system. He nails it!

LOL! Have you even looked to see what the temps were? Here is a bit of common sense for you Griff. The red line never has gotten close to going over the straight blue line which denotes the freezing point of water. Significant ice loss during the winter months at the poles does not occur due to air temperatures. It took relatively little energy to make that red line jump as it has during the cold months. To put the red line over the top of the blue line takes a massive amount of energy. Energy like oh, say, the ice and water being exposed to sunshine 24/7 as it is during the summer months at the poles.

I love how the arctic is “melting”. At -180 C, ice is only 1.8% more dense than ice at 0 c. According to the graph, the heatwave temps are currently averaging what -18 C (-1 F) vs -28 C (-18 F). So basically the “warm” spell being experienced this winter means nothing other than the basis for #fakenews headlines.

The “yellow line” (actually I think it’s green) is a mental construct based on averaging. It is not reality.

Let me explain in a way understandable perhaps by those of lesser intelligence/knowledge. The average of individual rolls of a six sided die computed over a large number of rolls should be close to 3.5. In reality, a roll of 3.5 is never observed. Roughly, half the time, rolls will be 1, 2 or 3 and half the time, 4, 5 or 6. A roll of 3.5 is never observed, even though that is what the average “should” be.

One cannot say, oh the roll was larger than it should have been or it is lower than it should have been, but yet the less intelligent/ignorant/deceived will look at the temperature in the Arctic and say, “Look, the temperature is higher than is should be.” There is no should in weather data any more than a die should roll a 3.5.

Yes, as you say, the average roll will be 3.5 if we do a long enough series. But where does that 3.5 come from? It is based on the idea that all the possibilities from 1 to 6 are equally likely and that each roll is disconnected from the previous roll. It is possible to create a die that will NOT have equal chances for all numbers from 1 to 6, but will still have a long term average of 3.5. It is also possible to create a die such that each roll is influenced to some degree by previous rolls, but which still has that same 3.5 average.

In the case of climate we know that there are some states which are more stable than others. The system has multiple pseudo-stable attractors, each of which the climate tends to dance around for varying periods of time. The most obvious somewhat stable states are the glacial and interstadial periods — but each of those broad states has successively finer gradations in shorter periods.

The alarmists are like someone who observes the die roll two or three sixes in a row and exclaims that the die is loaded. Even in a fair die, that is too short a series to make a determination of loaded or not loaded — but when speaking of a die which we know has varying (and changing) probabilities for one through six, and which we know also has at least some correlation between each roll and the next, the series of two or three rolls is FAR too short, VERY FAR too short.

We simply do not have enough information to make definitive statements about climate and causality. Considering the chaotic nature of the climate we are likely to NEVER have enough information for definitive statements. The best we can do at present is to look at the historical record (short as it is) and assume that future states of the climate will be similar to the various states which have been observed in the past. The alarmists are not even willing to do that much, to compare present observations with what we know from the past. We know that most of the Holocene has been warmer than at present, that summer sea ice has been missing from the Arctic in the relatively recent past without catastrophe. Current fluctuations in sea ice seem to be nothing out of the ordinary — so where is the catastrophe? The alarmists claim that the planet is in danger, but they won’t even examine the past before three or four decades ago.

Psychological operations (psych-ops or psy-ops) refer to the planned use of psychological knowledge to influence the behavior of groups, organizations or populations. Although associated with guerilla warfare, rebellion and subversion; many marketing and political strategies include psych-ops techniques … including office politics and social engineering.…

“Persuasive efforts are labeled propaganda when someone judges that the action which is the goal of the persuasive effort will be advantageous to the persuader but not in the best interests of the persuadee” — — Roger Brown, Words and Things (1958)

We KNOW that CAGW is Psych-Ops because they have told us it is. They even told us the goal. The elite have decided they want fewer serfs with MUCH less freedom and they see CAGW as the way to convince the serfs to accept their slave collars peacefully.

“It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves.” -George Monbiot, UK Ecojournalist

More recently:

At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,”

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.” —Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, and Dr. John Holdren, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, 1970, p. 323

Or as Ted Turner, founder of CNN and the UN Foundation bluntly put it during an interview with Audubon magazine. “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” – Source: The book You Don’t Say, by Fred Gielow, 1999, page 189.

…To make the problems as small as possible, we should reduce the size of mankind–reduce the global human population–by as much as we can, say to 50% of today’s population. Because the process of neutralizing GHGs is likely to require the use of natural lands–unbuilt and presently non-agricultural lands–to serve as “engines” for neutralization, through the growth of new forests for example. And at present. our over-the-top human population is carrying us in the other direction, the direction of clearing the Amazonian forests and other forests in the pursuit of land for cattle raising and building-products, and both of these and other similar reasons all arise from over-population.”

I like the idea. Look at all the empty land around. They could expand the campus as much as they wanted. No more problems with illegal parking, expensive escorts and drunk driving arrests. They could bring in cheap foreign hookers without applying for visas and run snowmobiles from one party to another all night long.

How much human suffering does mild weather at the pole cause? Apparently very little. Especially when you take multiple record crops in the US corn belt into account. Along with lack of major hurricanes in the US for over 10 years, four straight subnormal tornado seasons, decline in severe US summer heatwaves, the current near record low percentage of US land area now sustaining drought, above normal Northern Hemisphere snowcover, etc., etc.

Sounds more like the Garden of Eden to me. Instead of whining, bitching and moaning about the climate, you should be counting our blessings.

Also, instead of counting our blessings about our abundant and inexpensive energy resources and our ever increasing ability to make it cleaner with time, you want to curse the world with expensive, unreliable energy and its accompanying poverty and misery. Based on a highly dubious notion that through world communism and draconian regulation, humanity somehow has the magical capacity to make the weather better 50 or 100 years in the future. As they say, if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it.

If I were attending a meeting like that, I would participate under the assumption that ** everything ** I was doing or saying was being recorded by George Soros-paid trolls (or the MSM, which are basically the same thing), so as to try to embarrass me at a later date.

The other issue with trying to compare the red trend to the the green average is that in areas (like the Arctic) with relatively low humidity, small energy balance fluctuations can cause large changes in observed temperatures. There simply isn’t enough water vapor in the air to stabilize the air temperature near the green line due to a very low specific heat capacity of dry air. I would bet that if one plotted the variance range along with the green temperature average, one would find that the red lines are well within normal variations experienced throughout the temperature record.

First, my apologies to “Griff”. Since my grandfather, born 1890, had the nickname Griff, I automatically thought of his old, grizzled face and assumed this “Griff” had the same. Well, I guess not.

But to my point. Natural Variability is the skeptic’s friend. It only takes a little research to see it lurks everywhere. That always should have been the default position. If the IPCC had spent as much time seeking out natural variability as they did in justifying their AGW theory, history would have taken a different turn. Once the Arctic begins its reversion to mean journey, the warmists will be left with nothing but egg on their face. I hope to still be around to ask them “Is that scrambled or over easy?”

Other example how ‘green’ energy makes life of the poor even more miserable. Which means the poor need more help from the government which means higher taxes which means more poor people etc..Mankind only advanced because it was able to bring the cost of energy down and the availability up.

It is not just about wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich, that is bad enough. Instead it is about complete control of the economy and complete destruction and enslavement of the middle class so NO ONE has a chance at challenging the entrenched ‘aristocracy’

“The bourgeoisie [middle class], wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.” ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

Marx shows in this quote the enemy is NOT the Rich Aristocracy, the ‘natural superiors’ of the worker-serfs, but the middle class who are upsetting the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors.’

That is why Marx attacks property ownership. Because if you can not OWN property you ARE property. ONLY the ability to own property allows you freedom from the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors.’

We are seeing this in the USA. First by the consolidation of work options by the Trans-national corporations and now IF you do not conform to globalist thought you lose your job as Tony and Dr Gray and Dr Ball and Dr Happer have experienced.

There is a popular fantasy that the earth is 33C warmer with an atmosphere than without due to the radiative greenhouse effect, RGHE.

Let’s start at the very beginning, a very good place to start – so I hear.

The 33C difference is between an alleged average surface temperature of 288K/15C and 255K/-18C, the alleged surface temperature without an atmosphere. Let’s take a closer look.

Per IPCC AR5 glossary the average land surface temperature is measured 1.5 meters above the ground, but 80% of the land doesn’t even have reliable weather instrumentation or data. The average sea surface temperature is a combination of buckets and thermometers, engine cooling intakes, buoys, satellites, etc. This “global” surface average temperature, one number to rule them all, must represent: both lit side and dark sides, both poles, oceans, desert, jungles and a wide range of both land and sea surfaces. The uncertainty band must be YUGE!

The 255K is a theoretical calculation using the S-B ideal BB temperature associated with the 240 W/m^2 radiative balance at the top of the – wait for it – atmosphere, i.e. 100 km.

So, the 33C difference is between a) an average surface temperature composed of thousands of WAGs that must be +/- entire degrees and b) a theoretical temperature calculation 100 km away that cannot even be measured and c) all with an intact and fully functioning atmosphere.

The surface of the earth is warm because the atmosphere provides an insulating blanket, a thermal resistance, no different from the insulation in the ceiling and walls of a house with the temperature differential determined per the equation Q = U * A * dT, simple to verify and demonstrate.

A voltage difference is needed for current to flow through an electrical resistance.

A pressure difference is needed for fluid to flow through a physical resistance.

A temperature difference is needed for energy to flow, i.e. heat, through a thermal resistance.

RGHE upwelling/downwelling/”back” radiation is a fictional anti-thermodynamic non-explanation for the “33C without an atmosphere” phenomenon that doesn’t exist.

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

You can not create energy out of nothing,thereforethe overall average temperature would be pretty much the same.Without Atmosphere=The incoming sun rays will hit the planet with full impact,because there are no atoms/molecules/air to “slow” them down.It would get much much hotter during the daytime and supercold at night because there are no atoms/molecules/air to slow down the exodus of this electromagnetic rays to space.

With atmosphere sunrays are slowed down and weakend(and reflected by greenhouse gases called clouds) when entering earth and also when leaving earth.

Greenhouse gases are balancing /harmonising the temperature extremes.Instead of eg. +150 degress at day and -150 degrees at night we get +10 degrees at day and – 10 degrees at night.

I still don’t get why people like you don’t start to ask themselves how such a ridicoulously low numberof 1/10000 man made co2 in our atmosphere can have such a huge impact on climate.(1/10000 is such a small trap that it can not have such a devastating impact as it can only trap a little bit more-that’s it.And that’s the reason why alarmists has failed so many so miserably in predicting climate )Especially as you live on a planet which is covered so muchwith open uncontrolable much much stronger greenhouse gases(steam) that this planet is therefore called blue planet.The fact that you are not afraid of the gaswater is simple-they never told you to be afraid of.

And if you think:“It is impossible that so many scientists can be liars”

Well,other very well educated smart college guys have proven time and time again that they collectivly lie as a group.Our MSM journalists-no matter which lie wall street/goverment has told to push the usa to war they parrot and repeat it.

Oh, you mean when ice was ‘at a record high’? What does ‘record high’ mean, griff? And how many polar bears were there during that record high? And for that matter, if it was a ‘record high’ WHAT was it recovering from, and how low was it before that ‘record high’?

The scammer’s back…..when you respond to every little whiff of criticism on a website not your own shows how fragile a little snowflake you are and how inconsequential yours is. Projecting on Tony merely weakens your lame arguments….hope that helps!

“The government sees the Arctic waters as a ‘global transport route’ offering the ‘most efficient’ way of transporting cargo between Europe and Asia.”MASSIVE BENEFITS if Arctic sea ice levels do drop closer to the pre-LIA minimums.

No! In actual fact Tony is busy at C-Pac addressing a crowd larger and far more informed than you could ever hope to. I suspect that before too long Tony will once again end up testifying before a Congressional committee or subcommittee presenting the evidence he has worked long and hard to develop to uncover the fraud.

Have you ever testified before Congress or some National government body in any country Jim?

You will note that both BruceC and myself have commented below on a recent study that was based upon observations by Russian Scientists and which concludes that the loss of sea ice was ongoing before 1950 and that there was a gain in sea ice between 1950 to 1975 and subsequent there was a loss of sea ice between 1975 to 2005.

Materially, the conclusion is that the loss of sea ice between 1975 to 2005 was about the same as the gain in sea ice extent between 1950 to 1975 such that in 2005 the ice extent was similar to that observed in 1950.

“Most fundamentally of all, the new dataset allows us to answer the three questions we posed at the beginning of this article.

First, there is no point in the past 150 years where sea ice extent is as small as it has been in recent years. Second, the rate of sea ice retreat in recent years is also unprecedented in the historical record. And, third, the natural fluctuations in sea ice over multiple decades are generally smaller than the year-to-year variability.”

Yet the Christmas Turkey visits the Antarctic at the height of Summer (Dec, 2013) and manages to get not only HIS ship stuck in ice but TWO Ice breakers could not make it through the SUMMER sea ice….The Aurora Australis abandoned rescue of the trapped Russian “research”vessel in the Antarctica and a second ship, the Chinese ship “Snow Dragon” has gave up on rescue too. They finally used a helicopter.>>>>>>>>>>

And in July 22, 2015

“According to a Coast Guard officer, the icy conditions “are the “worst he’s seen in 20 years“CCGS Amudsen was rerouted to Hudson Bay to help with heavy Ice. Arctic expedition to study global warming put on hold because of too much ice.

“A carefully planned, 115-day scientific expedition on board the floating research vessel, the CCGS Amundsen, has been derailed as the icebreaker was called to help resupply ships navigate heavy ice in Hudson Bay.“Obviously it has a large impact on us,” says Martin Fortier, executive director of ArcticNet, which coordinates research on the vessel. “It’s a frustrating situation.”During the summer, the Amundsen operates as a floating research centre with experiments running 24 hours a day. This year it was scheduled to reach North Baffin Bay.But the icebreaker has been rerouted to escort commercial ships en route to resupply communities in Northern Quebec on the eastern side of Hudson Bay.Johnny Leclair, assistant commissioner for the Coast Guard, said Tuesday conditions in the area are the worst he’s seen in 20 years.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss

Jim HuntI already learned all I need to know about you and THAT’s the real point! I’ve been reading this blog and commenting here now for well over three years and figured your agenda out your line of BS long ago. When the ice extent at the Arctic pole expands again you’ll be nowhere around here to be found.

Not that I’m wishing for that because I believe a warmer world is a better world. Our limited knowledge of from where we human animals evolved from indicates that we emerged and primarily evolved in a warmer climate. Our history clearly indicates we as a species have thrived and developed best in warmer climates. Our planet is greening and our agricultural yields increasing yearly because of the increased CO2. Nothing! Not a single predicted catastrophe due to warming is occurring or even appearing to begin.

The reality is this politically created bugaboo is distracting attention from and robbing resources from so many real problems that people like you who promote it are either criminals or epically foolish IMO.

I guess I just get very very tired of the BS sometimes. Been watching some of the MSM “coverage” and “commentary” of CPAC and it’s got my dander up a bit. They treat the whole thing just like they have climate change. Lies, lies by omission, lies by headlines, lies by commentators, lies by any means possible based on earlier lies. Sometimes it becomes impossible to laugh it off.

At times like this I sometimes begin to think it’s time to pick up the black rifle and pistol and go to war. I’m very tired of the left relying on their oppositions civility and desire to abide by the law to get away with their own incivility and lawlessness.

The Justices, just like those of the 9th recently, did not even attempt to follow or consider established law but just made up their own new “law” based in contravention of any legal president to arrive at the decision that agreed with their own political/social opinions. That isn’t law. It’s despotism and I’m just plain fed up with it.

The left has completely abandoned Rule of Law and the Constitution. They are doing their damnedest to push us into rebellion/Constitutional Crisis and I am sure that the United Nations/EU/Canada is hovering, ready to jump in to take care of the ‘crisis’ and implement THEIR new Constitution.

Kate – “These aren’t “protests” — this is the left advancing its political agenda through the threat of mob violence, and governments have been far too slow to react. But then again — as key actors in government and media view these mobs as ideological fellow travellers (they share the same donors) they’ve been content to stand down, and allow the intimidation tactics work to their perceived political advantage.”

William R. Russell… was in Russia soon after the Bolsheviks seized power and spent considerable time there, working on Creel propaganda against the Germans, for the Bolsheviks, and later against the Bolsheviks. Russell described how he saw the communist tradecraft:

The way they worked their way to the seizure of power was as follows: Talk about peace, talk about social equality, especially among those most oppressed. Talk about organization of labor, and penetrate into every labor union. Talk on soapboxes. Publish pamphlets and papers. Orate and harangue. Play on envy. Arouse jealousy. Separate class from class. Try to break down the democratic processes from within. Accustom the people to picketing, strikes, mass meetings. Constantly attack the leaders in every way possible so that the people will lose confidence. Then in time of national peril, during a war, on the occasion of a great disaster, or of a general strike, walk into the capital and seize the power. A well-organized minority can work wonders.

Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe

Unfortunately it was American dollars and the US Federal Reserve behind the Bolsheviks. In 1913 the European bankers saddled Americans with the Federal Reserve then took our gold and gave it to Trotsky so he could foment the Russian revolution a few years later. The purpose of that revolution was to overthrow the new government that was patterning itself after the US government which tells you just how much the elite hate our form of government.

…Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves…

“These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky’s passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky’s disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children.

Gail Combs says:February 24, 2017 at 10:42 pmRAH,That is the whole idea.The left has completely abandoned Rule of Law and the Constitution. They are doing their damnedest to push us into rebellion/Constitutional Crisis and I am sure that the United Nations/EU/Canada is hovering, ready to jump in to take care of the ‘crisis’ and implement THEIR new Constitution.Soros is really really good at toppling governments.———————————————–Soros has not come up against a people like us who will protect their law and form of government and are armed and ready to do so if need be. That is why the left has tried so desperately to disarm the people.

BTW that is a stock photo because the article states it was officers that were there but the pic shows troops with SF crests on their flashes and not officer rank, meaning they are enlisted. Flash colors denote Group or other unit assignments such as command, psyops, or training/school units. Of those shown, Green is 10th SFG(A), Black is 5th SFG(A), Red is 7th SFG(A), and Yellow is 1st SFG(A). The only AD group not represented in the photo is the 3rd SFG(A).

Noticed today while in the Grocery store a History Channel mag that was about Special Ops. Flipping through it I noticed it was all about Navy Seals and not a mention of any other Special Ops units. Not surprised and in fact satisfied I put it back in the rack. That’s the way we want it.

The workers of the organizations that belong to the Ministry of Interior might have an easier access to self-defense guns, magyaridok.hu writes.

According to a new law, employees could keep their guns, even if they are not on duty; this would apply to employees of the police force, the National Protective Service (NVSz), and the Constitution Protection Office (AH).

Magyaridok.hu is referring to a letter signed by State Secretary for Law Enforcement László Tasnádi, which says that the Ministry is currently trying to estimate whether workers would like to have access to self-defense guns off duty. Heads of the organizations are asked to take sides and name those who should have access to their weapons off duty. Suggestions were expected to be made until May 11. So far, the Ministry of Interior did not support any laws that advocated looser self-defense gun laws; Tasnádi also mentioned this in his letter, saying that the initial aim was to extend the use of service guns off duty.…The Secretary of State also emphasized that the matter needs thorough investigation and the number of people who have access to self-defense guns off duty should be kept as low as possible.…This may not be the best time to promote looser gun control laws, as it was only three months ago, in February 2016, that a policewoman in District XVIII. killed her child and then committed suicide, using her service gun.…http://dailynewshungary.com/hungary-to-have-looser-gun-control-laws

ONE OF THE IMPORTANT EQUIPMENTS INSTALLED ON SKATE FOR THE WINTER TRIP TO THE ARCTIC WAS A HIGH DEF LOW LIGHT LEVEL TV, I KNOW AS I INSTALLED AND OPERATED THE SET FOR THE ENTIRE TRIP. I WAS A BENDIX FIELD ENGINEER. THE TV ENABLED THE CAPTAIN TO VIEW THE ICE AND SAIL WHEN SURFACING>THE INFORMATION FROM THE NEL ICE MACHINE PLUS THE TV PROVIDED A CONFIDENCE FACTOR WHEN SMASHING THROUGH THE ICE.

So? We all know that the insolation would be much less in March as compared to August. What’s your point? Fact is that submarines choose where they will surface and if they can find open water in the area they wish to do so they will surface there. They will also surface through the thinnest ice they can find if there isn’t open water.

First Trump DOES NOT have his cabinet picks confirmed yet so he can not afford to turn off too many Senators at this point. Given a Republican Senate and House this is clear evidence of the ‘Uni-party’ working against the will of the American people. No other president has had to wait this long for confirmation of his cabinet. Citigroup Chose Obama’s 2008 Cabinet** which were then rapidly confirmed.

Second Trump is aware that he has TRAITORS leaking his every move and is trying to smoke them out.

WSJ noted the “move is the latest sign of influence Mr. Trump’s daughter and Mr. Kushner have in a White House that has seen internal divisions on a variety of issues, including foreign policy.”

The Wall Street Gerbil is owned by Aussie Murdoch and Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. So WSJ is not exactly America friendly.

Rupert Murdoch is co-chair of one of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the open borders group, the Partnership for a New American Economy. Murdoch has also stated: “We need to do away with the cap on H-1B visas, which is arbitrary and results in U.S. companies struggling to find the high-skill workers they need to continue growing. “

Trump promised to dump the Paris agreement. He has his EPA pick in place, and that is who he should be taking advice from – not his unelected daughter. If Trump goes wobbly on this, he will lose support.

To put it bluntly the Wall Street Journal is THE ENEMY. WHAT actual facts do you have that anything the WSJ said was true? We already know the US MSM deliberately practices Psych-Ops. This is why Trump constantly calls the media out on their FAKE NEWS.

Trump is going up against the entrenched Globalists. The ONLY support he has is, we,the American Voters so the Globalists will do ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING to shake our support for Trump. And once they have done that they WILL take him out.

The idea is to divide and conquer. Peck away at ANYTHING that can peal away some of Trump’s supporters.

AND YOU ARE HELPING THEM!

“Anyone that is willing to stand next to me and fight the progressive left, I will be in that bunker. And if you’re Not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with this candidate, more than shame on you — You’re on the other side!” — Andrew Breitbart

Well, that’s actually not a bad question but in a much broader sense than you asked it. It was not supposed to be that way, not as originally written in the Constitution. What business does the federal government have in pretending to manage global climate? And what about Congress, is there not more than one person of influence?

Somehow in history, in the end it always comes down to the Good King’s evil advisors. If the Good King just knew what the people wanted …

GotNews reported Sunday that one of the primary sources of the series of leaks that were designed to undermine the Trump Administration and his presidency have been coming from none other than #NeverTrumper Kate Walsh. She is being investigated as one of the primary persons of interest that have been distributing highly confidential information to sources such as The (Failing) New York Times, and others.When TGP reached out to GotNews founder, Charles Johnson, for comment on the story he said that it was “100% reliable, I’m unwilling to reveal the primary White House sources, but Walsh was behind the leaks.”…

There’s also reportedly a trove of e-mails where Katie Walsh and Reince Priebus discuss how to rid themselves of Trump, according to a former #NeverTrump consultant.

“The president and his allies have been deliberately feeding her fake information in order to find her network,” says a source close to the president’s family. “It’s been going well.”…

“The president and his allies have been deliberately feeding her fake information in order to find her network,” says a source close to the president’s family. “It’s been going well.”…

What they could have done is feed essentially the same story to different people privately. But in each story there is a significant detail that differs. Thus when the story gets printed the specific detail gives away the source.

In Tom Clancy novels they say the Ryan invented that technique and call it “the canary trap”. But in reality it is a technique that was used by the British to ferret out French spies during the Napoleonic wars and probably dates back further than that.

Russian scientists say the air temperature in the Arctic may low not earlier than 2020. Over the past ten years, the Arctic area became warmer by an average of three degrees, expert of the Antarctic Research Institute Valery Karklin told TASS on Feb. 21.

“Our forecast is that in the early 2020 the temperature in the Arctic will go lower and will continue getting lower to the 2030-2040s.,” he said. “Thus, ice in the Arctic seas will be bigger and the heavy ice conditions will get more often.”

“In the recent ten years, due to the warming, the anomalous air temperatures int eh Arctic area (north of 70th latitude) were between 1.7-4 degrees, which means the Arctic area has become warmer by three degrees,” he said.

The research institute’s studies show the warming is a part of the cyclic climate changes, with the period of about 60 years. Noteworthy, the warming is due to natural factors, not anthropogenic, the scientists said.

“Various literature sources say the air temperature in the northern hemisphere since 1998 has stabilized and begins going down,” the expert said. “In the Arctic, this process has not begun yet.”

Scientists have observed Arctic sea ice loss since the mid-1970s and some climate model simulations have shown the region was losing sea ice as far back as 1950. In a new study, recently recovered Russian observations show an increase in sea ice from 1950 to 1975 as large as the subsequent decrease in sea ice observed from 1975 to 2005.

I have mentioned this a number of times that today’s sea ice extent is broadly similar to that seen in the 1940s/1950s. there is no reason to get unduly concerned.

“The overall Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk by 40 percent in 10 years, TASS news agency cited Valery Karklin, leading researcher at the Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute (AARI), as saying.

“On average, over the summer months (July, August and September) of 2005-2015, the total ice cover in the Arctic seas, including the Kara, Laptev, East Siberian and Chukchi seas, has declined by 40 percent or 547,000 square kilometers,” Karklin said. He added that the numbers for 2016 will be released later.

He said ice conditions in the Arctic seas had formed over those years in the context of lasting climate warming. “Over the 10-year period, summer ice conditions throughout the Arctic seas that the Northern Sea Route crosses were mild. They were characterized by early ice melting, intensive sea ice clearing and reduced ice thickness,” Karklin explained.

The researcher added that based on information from polar stations, throughout the winter period of 2005-2015 the thickness of fast (immovable) ice shrank by 10-40 centimeters to about 20 centimeters or 15 percent of the perennial norm.

“In summer, the thickness of drifting ice in the Arctic seas declines by 120-140 centimeters due to the melting, as compared to the average longstanding norm of 80-100 centimeters. As we can see, the ice has got 40 centimeters thinner.”

Abstract…. The data were processed using spectral and wavelet analysis and filtered in the frequency range related to major solar activity periodicities. The results obtained for various tree-ring chronologies indicate palaeoclimatic oscillations in the range of the de Vries (∼ 210-year) solar cycles through the last millennium.

The quasi-200-year variations revealed in the palaeoclimatic reconstructions correlate well (R2 = 0.58–0.94) with solar activity variations (Δ14C variations). The quasi-200-year climatic variations have also been detected in climate-linked processes in Asia, Europe, North and South America, Australia, and the Arctic and Antarctica. The results obtained point to a pronounced influence of solar activity on global climatic processes.

Analysis has shown that climate response to the long-term global solar forcing has a regional character. An appreciable delay in the climate response to the solar signal can occur (up to 150 years). In addition, the sign of the climate response can differ from the solar signal sign. The climate response to long-term solar activity variations (from 10s to 1000s years) manifests itself in different climatic parameters, such as temperature, precipitation and atmospheric and oceanic circulation. The climate response to the de Vries cycle has been found to occur not only during the last millennia but also in earlier epochs, up to hundreds of millions years ago.

Climate Change ‘Lunacy’ Called a Gift to ConservativesJoining Delingpole were Steve Milloy, a lawyer and author who founded the website JunkScience.com, and Tony Heller, who has written under the pseudonym Steven Goddard at the blog Real Science, which he founded. John Fund, a columnist for National Review, acted as moderator.

Griff is in denial that the climate can change naturally and not all climate variations are anthropogenic in nature. Griff has no knowledge of ice ages & continental glaciation. Griff also has trouble with the climate / weather thingy.

Don’t single out griff, Jim Hunt is the same – if not worse. No matter how many photos or links you produce, Jim will deny there is currently 3 vessels grounded in the Chaunskaya Bay (off the port of Pevek).

These people live in a ‘fake world’. They have absolutely NFI about the ‘real world’.

But if there really were record low levels of arctic sea ice for this time of year, then why would these boats have to stay there for the winter? Maybe the levels of sea ice are not quite as low as some would have us to believe.

I can see ONLY HUGE BENEFITS coming from lower Arctic sea ice, especially for those living up in that region.

Unfortunately , because of the extreme high levels at the AMO low point in the late 1970,we seem to have bottomed out way higher than the pre-LIA norm, and as the AMO starts to dip down again, we will unfortunately see an increase in Arctic sea ice.

Jim Bob conveniently left out these other facts stated in the Rosmorport statement – dated 24th January 2017;

“Due to the severe conditions in the Arctic region the Kapitan Dranitsyn icebreaker and the Sinegorsk and Iogann Makhmastal dry cargo ships will stay for the winter on Chukotka”

and;

“The FSUE “Rosmorport” icebreakers could pass the heavy ice on their own, but under such conditions the escort of two ballast vessels, the ice class of which corresponded to Arc 5, related to significant risks of serious damage to vessels and to health of crews and the environment.”

and;

“The FSUE “Rosmorport” icebreakers’ attempts to map a route for unobstructed passage of the Iogann Makhmastal and the Sinegorsk in the heavy ice have failed. By assessing the situation objectively, a decision has been taken to place both dry cargo ships in direct proximity of the seaport of Pevek for the entire ice season before the start of summer/autumn arctic navigation, approximately till the end of May and the beginning of June 2017″

Keep on denying the FACTS Jim Bob, Miriam O’Brien (aka Sou), must be so proud of you.

Here’s another ‘food for thought’ Jim Bob. Up until a handful of years ago, an Arc5 class of cargo/cruise ship was the highest level. The Russians have now updated this list to Arc9 WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ICEBREAKERS!

Now if the sea ice is thinning, as you tell us, why on earth have the Russian’s added 4 extra classes to their ice classifications? Also, why are the Russians spending millions on building bigger and more powerful nuke powered ice breakers? (they already have the biggest and most powerful ice breakers on the planet as it is!)

It was the first such crossing since Soviet times, and the ships delivered supplies for the world’s first floating heat and power plant to be assembled in Chukotka after a journey lasting from 14 December to 7 January.

The ease of the sailing is seen as a sign that climate warming in the Arctic can open up shopping lanes even in midwinter.

The emphasis is mine. The Northern Sea Route for dummies:

1) As a rule, navigation in the seaport of Pevek finishes in November.

Jim Bob, do you have a reading problem? Or do you suffer from dementia?

“By assessing the situation objectively, a decision has been taken to place both dry cargo ships in direct proximity of the seaport of Pevek for the entire ice season before the start of summer/autumn arctic navigation, approximately till the end of May and the beginning of June 2017″

Several other websites are linking to this blog post to see the slides tony presented at cpac, but this blog post does not have those slides. The video is great, though, and it does capture the slides presented.

I put it on this post because it’s the latest and for no other reason. I know Tony has put up some posts that are good summaries of most of what he’s done done, but I haven’t saved the URL’s for those and it would have taken a good while to find.

It was not dark when the pic was taken, so the overall illumination is one of bright twilight. The person holiding the light source is conspicuoisly brighter, but that may not be a flare. It could be an electrically-triggered photographic flash. See the dark line going to the foot of that person? I think that is the flash control circuit.

Of course it was not dark. The flare/flash was for a picture taken by another camera with different film/lens.

— I have a Nikon lens that allowed me to take hand-held photos of the Sistine Chapel ceiling WITHOUT flash back in the mid 1970s. I had several people ask me about the lens and film. It was a Nikon f/1.2 and 400ASA film that could be ‘pushed’ to 800ASA. —

Photographers set their exposure using a combination of shutter speeds and f/stops to get the correct amount of light on the sensor (or film). The shutter speed regulates how long the sensor is exposed to light coming through the lens. The f/stop regulates how much light is allowed through the lens by varying the size of the hole the light comes through. For any given film speed (ISO) and lighting combination there is one correct amount of light to properly expose the image. This amount of light can be achieved with many different combinations of f/stops and shutter speeds.

Back in the days of film, that was pretty much it for exposure because your ISO (and white balance too) was set by your film choice and you couldn’t vary it within the roll…..

CRAMER D BACQUE • 5 years ago

ONE OF THE IMPORTANT EQUIPMENT INSTALLED ON SKATE FOR THE WINTER TRIP TO THE ARCTIC WAS A HIGH DEF LOW LIGHT LEVEL TV. I KNOW AS I INSTALLED AND OPERATED THE SET FOR THE ENTIRE TRIP. I WAS A BENDIX FIELD ENGINEER. THE TV ENABLED THE CAPTAIN TO VIEW THE ICE AND SAIL WHEN SURFACING>THE INFORMATION FROM THE NEL ICE MACHINE PLUS THE TV PROVIDED A CONFIDENCE FACTOR WHEN SMASHING THROUGH THE ICE.

Climbing to the bridge, I was greeted by an awesome sight. Skate was in a small lead completely surrounded by 10-foot-high hummocks of ice. This was the most inhospitable terrain we had seen so far. It was almost dark, the sky was heavily overcast, and the 25 knot wind was blowing the snow so heavily that visibility was cut down to 500 yards. The temperature was 24° below.

“The ice was 3-5 ft thick on average. We tried to break through the ice as many times as possible to find our limits. 5 feet was the maximum we could manage at the time. If the ice was too thick, we would bounce off like a Ping-Pong ball.”

Rising vertically, Skate slammed into the ice and smashed its way through – the first submarine to ever accomplish this. Then, for good measure, the crew, along with a small team of civilian scientists, did it nine more times before returning home.

You do not understand Bro,” The first half of the holocene is utterly irrelevant.” BECAUSE the goal is the enslavement of the entire world by the globalist elite.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H. L. Mencken>>>>>>>>>>>>>

One of the elite, French socialist and former WTO Director-General Pascal Lamy, even stated such.

After the Soviet Union Hobgoblin collapsed the Elite were desperate for another Hobgoblin

…The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed. Half a century ago, those who designed the post-war system — the United Nations, the Bretton Woods system, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) — …All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty… SOURCE

“approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty” is in plain language, nations are sovereign and NOT vassal states of the United Nations.

The UK for example IS a vassal state of the EU. “Thanks to the primacy of EU law over national law. Thanks to the work of the European Court of Justice in ensuring enforcement and respect for the rule of law. And thanks to a clear articulation between the Commission, the Parliament, and the European Court of Justice.” — Pascal Lamy (He should know as he was high up in the EU before moving to the WTO.)

Lamy took ‘Practical Politics’ the next step, by telling us what the “new enemy to unite us” is that is needed to create Legitimacy, one of the“three legs” needed to implement a global government…

It gives me great pleasure to be here today to participate in this thematic debate on the United Nations in global governance, an issue of the utmost importance given the urgency of the global challenges we are facing… As for legitimacy, I see two avenues to strengthen it. First, domestically, by increasing the visibility of international issues and giving citizens a greater say…(wwwDOT)globalpolicy.org/globalization/globalization-of-politics/global-governance-and-the-three-sisters-2-17/50398-lamy-urges-raising-un-ecosoc-profile.html?itemid=id#951

There sure as heck is no greater threat for uniting citizens together then the threat of ‘catastrophic climate change’ and a world wide financial mess threatening their jobs is there?

And of course the citizens are given a ‘greater say’ through NGOs that just happen to be completely non-democratic. The new method of governance is the NGO-government partnerships where voters and individuals get completely cut out of the system. ( link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12134-000-1012-6#page-1 )

Strong’s early work with YMCA international “…may have been the genesis of Strong’s realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” (sovereigntyDOTnet/p/sd/strong.html )

“Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. (wwwDOT)afn.org/~govern/strong.html

So the evidence shows Jimmy Boy and Griffy are Totalitarian Wanna-bes…. Or Useful Idiots.

…During the 1920’s and most of the 1930’s Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin’s front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg’s direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West….Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism.

The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression…

Despite the formal collapse of Communism in 1989, the legacy of Stalin’s strategy of destroying the West by propaganda has an increasing hold through the cult of ‘political correctness.’ The undermining of our society by the media has steadily intensified since then. Münzenberg’s spectre hovers as vital as ever in contemporary life. At a time when Communism has little remaining formal influence, Münzenberg’s techniques of propaganda and disinformation pervade our lives. (wwwDOT)heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

Gail I unintentionally ended up teaching history to a couple of my first Granddaughters history “teachers” when she was in school by proxy through my Granddaughter and the papers I helped her write. Not all public school teachers are bad. Though they mean well they’re ignorance is sometimes just the result of the same system that was failing my Granddaughter. A couple were quite open to having the interpretations challenged when I could fill in the extensive blanks the authors of the teaching text had left.

Our disagreement was about rather recent “history” as reflected in the Congressional record and even in MSM they read and trust. Their failure was simply an absolute inability to consider that what is said and repeated among teachers in school lounges conflicts with what actually happened in the U.S. House and Senate. They could not conceive they could be wrong.

I see the same phenomenon in other “thought bubbles” like the People’s Republic of Boulder. It’s “history” that hasn’t even been “rewritten” yet but it’s already fully formed in their heads. In their own minds my relatives were not lying or deceiving. They were convinced they were right and they were annoyed by my insistence to show them the facts but I believe they were sincerely trying to find out what’s wrong with me. They just couldn’t understand why I don’t agree with “their facts”.

Before the Progressives took hold of our schools in the early 20th century, history textbooks were thoroughly footnoted with original documentaion and firsthand acounts. The Progs threw out those textbooks and replaced them with fiction, the new books had zero foototes. They created “facts” out of thin air.

The alarmist trolls here are perfect examples of the same phenomena. If anything gets mentioned that has not been “written” or “rewritten” yet they’ll make up arguments on the fly to fit in their world view.

All of this comes back to the left in this country having an iron grip on Academia. Though great work in history is still being written I have seen a tremendous amount of ridiculous revisionist crap written by PhDs from academia.

If you will recall my very first post on this blog was an essay I had written about the history of the strategic bombing campaign of Imperial Japan. No HS history teacher I have had contact with knew anything about the fire bombings and the fact that far more Japanese were killed in those raids using conventional ordinance than the combined total from both atomic bombs. None knew that the deadliest air raid in the history of warfare was the first low level firebombing raid on Tokyo. And forget about them knowing the details about the time line and events of negotiations and the real intent of the Japanese Imperial military leadership for gaining an armistice instead of their ill gotten dominance being ended by unconditional surrender.

As for the Arctic sea ice extent I called that it would be about normal in winter 2017 all the way back just after the maximum. It wasn’t news then because there was a big bounce from the very low summer minima that was the news.

The global climate scam is the direct result of a decision after WWII to unite nations and national academies of sciences under the UN on 24 OCT 1945 to save frightened world leaders from possible worldwide nuclear annihilation.

After P.K. Kuroda’s death in 2001, BBC’s report on Mrs. Kuroda’s return of Japan’s successful design for atomic bombs in 2002, and the release of Climategate emails in 2009, I went back and re-read more carefully two of my research mentor’s reports:

Then I realized Kuroda probably risked his life to keep a personal copy of Japan’s atomic bomb design because he knew false nuclear models were promoted after WWII to hide the source of nuclear energy in atomic bombs and in cores of:

“Arctic sea ice extent at 30% concentration is currently almost flatlined right at the 2006 minimum. That was the year with the highest minimum of the past decade.The melt season is essentially done, as cold air has settled over the Arctic.”

No, it was not essensitially done, this is how 2015 turned out to 2006.

The University of Antarctica, Antarctica (U of A, U of AA, AAA, or simply “Thankgodshelter”, as it is referred to by visitors) was founded in 2008 about 120 miles south-west of the northern-east maritime coast of the Antarctic Ocean. U of AA is globally recognized for maintaining the ironic status of being both the continent’s newest and oldest university.

Initially, the U of AA intended to focus exclusively upon the studies of dentistry, music therapy, and agriculture due to its thriving local demand, but the school has since then changed its disciplines and concentrations towards hunting and gathering, medicine, ice sculpting, and hockey.

The Antarctic Board of Education recently awarded U of AA as a pioneering iceship campus, as it fills the gap between the continent’s absent primary educational system and the commercial empire that is expected to thrive in the continent sometime in the next millennium….

Since Jimmy Boy is not Canadian, hockey is out and the UK pretty much bans guns, so hunting (but not gathering) is out, so his speciality must be ice sculpting!

And of course, with Jimbo , you can guarantte he will start at the EXTREME sea ice of 1979

The IGNORANCE and DENIAL of anything that doesn’t meet his belief in the AGW scam is just ignored.

Notice how he has disappeared now that he has some questions he doesn’t want to answer.

Sheer COWARDICE.

I’ll repeat those questions so I can be sure he hasn’t missed them. ;-)

Question 1 for Jimbo, the Ice sculptor from Antarctic university.

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

The change from Hadley SST2 into Hadley SST3 did not alter the long term trend, actually created a slight cooling in the 1960s/70s, and that cooling matches all your other news clippings and data about the global cooling scare better than the uncorrected version 2.

Here in central Indiana yesterday it got up to 64 F. This morning it’s 32 F with snow flurries with a low of 23 F forecast for tonight. Thus ends a 12 day run of nice spring like warmth that we’ve enjoyed for most of this month. Unfortunately it’s looking like March is going to come in like a lion and stay that way. Bring back my global warming!

Doesn’t anyone ask the most obvious question? How does Ice melt in sub-zero temperatures? The ice is melting due to the warm ocean, not the atmosphere. How does CO2 warm the ocean needs to be the question, once that is asked, the bogus claims go away. CO2 and IR between 13 and 18 microns don’t warm water.

You are assuming that logic and facts are important to leftist mass murderers. To them there is only one real driver, you are forgetting the power of the “leftist agenda”, and its ability to cause its suitors to become wilfully ignorant.

That is why the Leftist media and the US government was very very big on censorship and prosecutions. The Department of Justice has investigated more than 11,000 acts of anti-Political Correct rhetoric, which have led to 45 prosecutions.

…have never cared when Congress, especially Democrats, have sought to limit political speech in violation of the 1st amendment.…didn’t care as the Justice Dept. and Democrat state A.G.s clearly threatened legal action against people who dared say the climate changes naturally, which obviously violated their free speech rights.…had no concern at all when the Obama admin sued the Little Sisters of the Poor for daring to exercise their religious freedom.But now they are concerned about the 1st Amendment when they are asked to tell the truth.Maybe it would be easier to care about the media’s 1st Amendment rights if they ever cared about those who disagreed with the Democrats’ agenda.The media……didn’t give a darn when IRS targeted Obama’s political opponents, clearly violating their free speech and political speech rights.…have never cared when Congress, especially Democrats, have sought to limit political speech in violation of the 1st amendment.…didn’t care as the Justice Dept. and Democrat state A.G.s clearly threatened legal action against people who dared say the climate changes naturally, which obviously violated their free speech rights.…had no concern at all when the Obama admin sued the Little Sisters of the Poor for daring to exercise their religious freedom.

But now they are concerned about the 1st Amendment when they are asked to tell the truth.Maybe it would be easier to care about the media’s 1st Amendment rights if they ever cared about those who disagreed with the Democrats’ agenda.”

They can’t win. They are being beaten and they’re too damned stupid, too lazy, too set in their ways, to understand that the jig is up.People want immigration controlled.They want a strong military.They don’t want the Federal government dictating bathroom policy.They don’t want tax dollars paying for abortion.And they sure as hell are tired of the press dictating to them what their morality should be.

Watching how motivated the crowd at C-pac was when Trump came to speak has got to have had an effect on the RINO Never Trumpers and motivated the truly conservative members of Congress.

And also remember that the thermodynamic temperature is a property of a defined amount of matter, where the temperature is proportional to the geometric mean of the kinetic energies of that sample’s constituent atoms/molecules. NB that the total energy in the sample may be quite larger than that represented solely by the constituent’s kinetic energy.

For the first time in the NSR history, the icebreakers prolonged to January the period of operational navigation on this route that made available through pass for vessels from western to almost eastern border of the NSR waters.

You seem to agree that less sea ice would be good, then why are you COWARDLY avoiding answering my questions?

Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

“It was almost dark, the sky was heavily overcast, and the 25 knot wind was blowing the snow so heavily that visibility was cut down to 500 yards.”

Cut down to 500 yards… in the pitch dark. WOW. !

oops !!! Jimbo stuffs up YET AGAIN !!!

Oh poor Jimbo, your diet of sewer soaked socks is having a detrimental affect on that drug-addled mind of yours. Or perhaps sewer soaked socks is just your drug of choice. You certainly seem addicted to them.

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

You truly are a proving yourself to be a dumb,moronic idiot aren’t you Jimbo, as well as being a monumental COWARD

Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

1) We’re all agreed that Bruce’s February 24th 3:30 pm picture was NOT taken at the North Pole on March 17th 1959.

WRONG! WE have made no such claim! Upon doing a google image search, there are a dozen or-so DIFFERENT pictures of the Skate breaking ice dated the 17th March 1959. Do you honestly think they only took ONE PICTURE of this historic event!

(just as a side-note, they didn’t only do it once, but 10 times during the historic voyage).

The picture of the Skate I posted comes directly from the US Navy’s .mil (ie: US Government) website dedicated and celebrating the 56th anniversary of the Skate’s achievement.

2) We all finally understand that, as described on the official Northern Sea Route Information Office web site:

Please explain why there are currently 3 stranded vessels (now connected to onshore power) in the Northern Sea Route and will remain there until late May or early June (or till whenever the ice melts enough for a safe passage out)? BTW Jim Bob, in case you have forgotten, they have been there since the 13th January!.

1) Since Andy is unable to do so perhaps you can explain what’s casting the shadows visible in your picture?

2) At the risk of repeating myself, because:

For the first time in the NSR history, the icebreakers prolonged to January the period of operational navigation on this route that made available through pass for vessels from western to almost eastern border of the NSR waters.

Just another thing to think about Jim Bob, hours before your photograph was taken, Commander James F. Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event.

ANOTHER Arctic study showing an ” increase in multiyear sea ice culminated during the past 2,500 years’ AND “The lack of uniformity in past sea-ice changes… related to large-scale atmospheric anomalies such as the Arctic Oscillation” something AndyG has been trying to pound into Warmist heads for ages.

We present a sea-ice record from northern Greenland covering the past 10,000 years. Multiyear sea ice reached a minimum between ~8,500 and 6,000 years ago, when the limit of year-round sea ice at the coast of Greenland was located ~1000 kilometers to the north of its present position. The subsequent increase in multiyear sea ice culminated during the past 2,500 years and is linked to an increase in ice export from the western Arctic and higher variability of ice-drift routes. When the ice was at its minimum in northern Greenland, it greatly increased at Ellesmere Island to the west. The lack of uniformity in past sea-ice changes, which is probably related to large-scale atmospheric anomalies such as the Arctic Oscillation, is not well reproduced in models. This needs to be further explored, as it is likely to have an impact on predictions of future sea-ice distribution.

The ice is certainly thicker at the North Pole than when the Skate was there in March.(Green to yellow is 2.5 meters to 3.5 meters or 8 feet to 11.5 feet)

OK, Jimmy Boy,I will tackle this one while waiting for hubby to get the C-bac-T ready.

“2) What was the maximum sea level during the first 3/4 of the Holocene, relative to the first years of the Anthropocene?”

Ruddiman connects the Anthropocene with the start of agriculture.

…The most numerous species from Chogha Golan are wild barley, goat-grass and lentil, which are all wild ancestors of modern crops. These and many other species are present in large numbers starting in the lowest deposits, horizon XI, dating to the end of the last Ice Age roughly 11,700 years ago. In horizon II dating to 9,800 years ago, domesticated emmer wheat appears.

The plant remains from Chogha Golan represent a unique, long-term record of cultivation of wild plant species in the eastern Fertile Crescent. …(wwwDOT)sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130705101629.htm

….backshore deposits along the tectonically stable south-eastern Vietnamese coast document Holocene sea level changes…..reconstructed for the last 8000 years….The rates of sea-level rise decreased sharply after the rapid early Holocene rise and stabilized at a rate of 4.5 mm/year between 8.0 and 6.9 ka. Southeast Vietnam beachrocks reveal that the mid-Holocene sea-level highstand slightly above + 1.4 m was reached between 6.7 and 5.0 ka, with a peak value close to + 1.5 m around 6.0 ka….

Translation the sea level was up to 1.5 meters higher than today in a tectonically stable area ~5000 years ago to 2000 years ago. Tectonically stable area refers to areas devoid of deformation such as all processes which modify the external form of the crust.

Sea-level highstand recorded in Holocene shoreline deposits on Oahu, Hawaii

Unconsolidated carbonate sands and cobbles on Kapapa Island, windward Oahu, are 1.4-2.8 (+ or – 0.25) m above present mean sea level (msl)…we interpret the deposit to be a fossil beach or shoreline representing a highstand of relative sea level during middle to late Holocene time. Calibrated radiocarbon dates of coral and mollusc samples, and a consideration of the effect of wave energy setup, indicate that paleo-msl was at least 1.6 (+ or – 0.45) m above present msl prior to 3889-3665 cal. yr B.P, possibly as early as 5532-5294 cal. yr B.P., and lasted until at least 2239-1940 cal. yr B.Pjsedres(DOT)geoscienceworld.org/content/66/3/632.abstract

This study shows a sea level highstand ~1.6 meter above the present level from ~5500 years ago to 2000 years ago.

Late Quaternary highstand deposits of the southern Arabian Gulf: a record of sea-level and climate change

Abstract…..It has therefore been necessary to infer the ages of these sediments by a comparison of their stratigraphy and elevation with deposits known from other parts of the world. We regard this approach as valid because the southern Gulf coastline lacks evidence for significant widespread neotectonic uplift,…….…..Widespread evidence exists for a Holocene sea level higher than at present in the southern Arabian Gulf, indicating that it peaked at 1–2 m above present level, c. 5.5 ka bp……. sp(DOT)lyellcollection.org/content/195/1/371.refs

This study shows a sea level highstand ~1 to 2 meters above the present level about ~5500 years ago.

Seem the sea level has FALLEN since the Holocene Optimum. Why?GLACIAL ADVANCE

A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012

…. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity [growth] is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP….(wwwDOT)sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033589411001256

The highest glacier growth started 600 years ago prior to that most glaciers had melted away.

Abstract Extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coasts show that these areas once saw seasonally open water. In addition to beach ridges, large amounts of striated boulders in and on the marine sediments from the same period also indicate that the ocean was open enough for ice bergs to drift along the shore and drop their loads. Presently the North Greenland coastline is permanently beleaguered by pack ice, and ice bergs are very rare and locked up in the sea ice. Predictions of the rapidly decreasing sea ice in the Arctic Ocean generally point to this area as the last to become ice free in summer. We therefore suggest that the occurrence of wave generated shores and abundant ice berg dropped boulders indicate that the Arctic Ocean was nearly free of sea ice in the summer at the time when they were formed. The beach ridges occur as isostatically raised “staircases”, and C14-dated curves for relative sea level change show that they were formed in the Early Holocene. A large set of samples of molluscs from beach ridges and marine sediments were collected in the summer of 2007, and are presently being dated to give a precise dating of the ice free interval. Preliminary results indicate that it fell within the interval from c. 8.5 to c. 6 ka – being progressively shorter from south to north. We therefore conclude that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millenium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for shorter periods in the summer….

…. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded…

Answer the question . You make even more of a MOCKERY of yourself by refusing to.

Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

They created a committee of AGW apostles to come up with a propaganda change of geological era.

Thing is , they say 1945, just at the start of the major cooling era.

OOPS.bo strikes out again !!

Maybe if he turned and actually face reality, instead of constantly showing the huge yellow streak down his back he might actually see the ball !!

Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

See how the flare casts a very feeble shadow from the guys close on the right.

Use you brain , after you find where you left it at the bottom of your sewer.

Then maybe you can answer these questions Jimbo, if you can get rid of that massive yellow streak.

Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

…..In previous interglacial periods, CO2 levels spiked early and then gradually declined until the globe went into another ice age. The Holocene began by following this trend, but then CO2 levels changed course and began to rise around 8,000 years ago. The same thing happened with methane levels around 5,000 years ago. These trends align with the expansion of human agriculture, and Ruddiman, of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, argues that it is no coincidence — the clearing of land and expansion of irrigation released huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Critics say that human populations were probably too small to support such a hypothesis, and recent studies have raised serious questions about early anthropogenic carbon and methane emissions. But rather than backing down, Ruddiman and several other researchers will present their supporting evidence in a series of papers scheduled for publication in a special issue of The Holocene journal later this year. Researchers presented some of the work this week at the American Geophysical Union’s Chapman Conference on Climates, Past Landscapes and Civilizations in Santa Fe, New Mexico….

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

1945 is also just before the large jump in Arctic sea ice shown by DOE and new Russian data from 1950 to the extremes of the mid 1970’s

Obviously anthropogenic, right Jimo.

Speaking of sea ice…. a couple of questions you might have the courage to answer, Jimbo… or NOT…

Question 1 for Jimbo, who can’t take a trick,

Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

Question 2 for Jimbo, the ignorant troll with the massive yellow streak.

Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?…. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

Wikipedia has long been rejected as a viable source on climate information since it has a long record of allowing non experts to eliminate substantive revisions to their information put forth by recognized experts in their fields. When it comes to climate information Wikipedia is “fake news” and will remain so until it becomes an honest purveyor of facts.

It is a place to start but most certainly not a place to end a persons investigation into available information on climate and climate studies.

360 comments! Is that some kind of record for the world’s longest pissing contest? Even though you try very hard to pretend to hate each other, a good time was had by all, especially us people reading the comments.

One in five species on Earth now faces extinction, and that will rise to 50% by the end of the century unless urgent action is taken. That is the stark view of the world’s leading biologists, ecologists and economists who will gather on Monday to determine the social and economic changes needed to save the planet’s biosphere.

“The living fabric of the world is slipping through our fingers without our showing much sign of caring,” say the organisers of the Biological Extinction conference held at the Vatican this week.

I saw this article being headlined when I opened the news on my homepage and didn’t bother to click on it and read it because I generally don’t waste my time with “science’ articles that make fantastic claims of doom while having a weasel word like “could” in the title of the story. Just like in front line politics, the desperate members of Academia’s green blob will ramp up the amplitude of their claims to try and maintain their relevance. I believe that nobody in their right mind believes their BS anymore after decades of exposure to such BS. I think Nostradamus has more credibility with the chicken little crowd than the “Scientists” that produce this crap.