Lineup tonight in SF…

I had a flashback earlier today to the days when the Dodgers weren’t always televised and it was the San Francisco games that you could always count on being on TV. Well, we’re on every night these days, which is pretty cool if you ask me. Tonight we’re on KCAL.

messagebear – Like I always say, when you speak, you speak well and it speaks volumes – fantastic!!!

dodgereric – great letter to #22

enchanted – having a son who is a pitcher…….they do think that way at times. At his level it’s more about defense. If he knows the best defense isn’t on the field, he tends to think he needs to strike everyone out and will tend to over pitch instead of trusting the pitches that create ground balls, etc. I know Kersh is at the big league and shouldn’t have to think that way, but some things in a player’s mind I am sure are engrained into their thinking already and perhaps that is one of them, IMO of course.

I would hope Kershaw has more to think about when it is his turn to pitch than who is in the Dodger lineup that game. He is a young pitcher with a lot of upside and he is going to have games like this. Pitchers with a lot more experience than Kersh have suffered whiplash pitching in Coors watching baseballs fly all over the place.

As for Joe’s method of resting players, I would rather see him rest a couple guys at the same time one game a week than spread off days over a few games. I want the best players in the lineup as much as possible so I am willing to sacrafice that one game a week if necessary if doing so helps the player and the tea

So, I guess we might have to assume most day games or fly away games will be like this. I don’t have a problem resting the 3 starters as much as why do it for Kershaw. As long as it’s not just him they do this too, then fine, have it Joe’s way. Also, like many have said, that happens to the best pitchers at Coors Field so I am not concerned at all with Kersh’s ability at all. I have every confidence he will be there in the end when it counts most.

I personally don’t think we should have “throw away” games…..they will come back to bite us in the a**. I believe dodgereric said yesterday that 26 year old players don’t need a day of rest. I think Pujols plays every game and, why shouln’t he?!

I personally don’t think we should have “throw away” games…..they will come back to bite us in the a**. I believe dodgereric said yesterday that 26 year old players don’t need a day of rest. I think Pujols plays every game and, why shouln’t he?!

I personally don’t think we should have “throw away” games…..they will come back to bite us in the a**. I believe dodgereric said yesterday that 26 year old players don’t need a day of rest. I think Pujols plays every game and, why shouln’t he?!

Nelly, my guess Joe would have made out Sunday’s lineup the way he did no matter who was pitching for the Dodgers. I could see him making decisions based upon the opposing pitcher as he is doing tonight.

Kersh is only three years out of high school. Whether its consciously or not I think when a pitcher knows he doesn’t have three key starters, and one of the replacements is Pierre (and I’m talking more about his defensive liabilities now), you couldn’t help but feel you need to be more dominating to keep your club in the game. Now throw in Coors Field where sometimes a pitcher’s curve gets no bite, balls carry even this time of year, and a pretty fair hitting Rockies team, and it was a disaster.

Hard to say the game would’ve turned out any differently, but as Tru puts it, it was thrown away almost before it was started.

According to SF’s local ABC News, tonight is Star Trek Movie Night at AT&T Park. There’s lots of trekkies there who were interviewed, saying the Dodgers were “Worse than the Borg”, and wanted it to be known that their phasers are set to “Annihilate”, and pointed at “Every Dodger in the Dugout.”

Where’s the Death Star when you need it? Misguided, these basement-dwellers are. (and this is coming from a person who holds Trek in higher esteem than Star Wars… though I don’t do the ears).

It’s windy up here in NorCal, and it’s nuckin’ futs like Candlestick out at the Bay. On TV, you could see the ball Kemp couldn’t come up with take a 20 foot slice from where it would’ve ended up otherwise. As for the up the middle shot that went past Wolf and Hudson, that was a rocket… just wide of Wolf’s glove.

We’re not out of this one, though. Now we know what we’re working with. And will someone PLEASE shut Kruk and Kuip up? And what the ^$(*@*)( is BarRoid Bonds doing at the game? His #@$# eating grin is getting on my nerves!

He almost ran into Kemp and almost was a big collison. I don’t know why Ethier didn’t let Kemp would had made that catch no reason to even come close to him and sorry the Giants should had zero run no excuse.

It was supposed to be the second baseman’s ball according to Gameday so why not let Ethier take it if O-Dog couldn’t and Kemp back off…..just saying. It’s too early to start blaming players for things.

After the collision, Hudson was chatting with Kemp, pointed to Ethier, and gave Kemp a bat as Kemp nodded. My guess is that O-Dawg was saying that it was Ethier’s ball (and in the replay, Ethier was the one who called for it). But the scorer gave Renteria a double for the play anyway, so I guess they felt the wind made it an unplayable ball.

Kruk and Kuip are chirping with the fervor (and the intelligence) of Spring Chickens. Sickening.

Some gray haired dude kissed BarRoid Bonds before they went to commercial last inning. Just thought you should know.

Like I said, it’s too early in this game to start laying blame on anything or anybody. It’s is extremely windy and there will probably be more plays like it guaranteed, hopefully to our advantage next time.

Wolf will settle down, waiting for the Dodgers to get close or tie…then he’ll tank again. Allow me his post-game quote. “Conditions were tough out there tonight and misplays happen, especially up here. But that just means I’ve got to bear down and pick up my teammates. There’s no excuse. I couldn’t close the door with runner on base that first inning. I cost us the ball game…” ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

nellyjune, do you have mlb.tv reg or premium? All the premium games you have a choice of hpome or away feeds. Great listening to the Dodger announcers. Last year was always subjected to the other teams announcers when Dodgers on the road.

OH Yes, I remember those Giant announcers, they are bad.
They root along for the Giants and cross out people in Dodger gear on the screen.
I don’t blame you.
They stink, especially when the Gnats are winning.

Why does everyone cut Kemp so much slack? The guy has all the tools except a baseball brain. Spit, I don’t know what you were looking at but Kemp clearly strayed way over into Eithier’s territory and caused a collision on a ball that Andre had all the way.

… and another quote I forgot, to bring up the rear (“:: in Connery voice :: bringing up the rear, just like your mother, Trebek!” Sorry, could’nt resist), about the “persona” he created: “I’m gonna have to get in touch with Manny, and teach him how to create that persona.” (reacting to Duane Kuiper mentioning that the SF fans don’t give Manny the business that LA fans gave Barry).

Why does everyone cut Kemp so much slack? The guy has all the tools except a baseball brain. Spit, I don’t know what you were looking at but Kemp clearly strayed way over into Eithier’s territory and caused a collision on a ball that Andre had all the way.

I just got home a few minutes ago, but from what I can tell the Dodgers are making Zito look way better than he’ been on a long time. They seem kind of flat considering they only flew in from Colorado yesterday, which isn’t that long of a flight. Damn, Andre hit the ball really hard on his last at bat. That must be frustrating as a player to tag the ball and get robbed by a good defensive play.

Well if that is right someone had a bad camera angle and had it on Kemp all this time and it look like it was Ethier fault for cutting Kemp off. If you watching Kcal on ch 9 than you see what I was talking about but still Kemp had the best angle it look like it from the screen.

Why does everyone cut Kemp so much slack? The guy has all the tools except a baseball brain. Spit, I don’t know what you were looking at but Kemp clearly strayed way over into Eithier’s territory and caused a collision on a ball that Andre had all the way.

Sorry for the extra post – PC power problems…
I was watching on KCAL and it looked to me like the ball was in right field, not center. After the play Hudson talked to them both and pointed to Either. It was Eithier’s play. I appreciate the great plays that Kemp does make from time to time but he still has a lot to learn.

Thank you 32and53fan!!!! My point was it wasn’t anybody’s fault. The way the wind is blowing it very well could have started out being one players ball and ended up being the others. My issue was the slamming wasn’t called for that early in the game, and if you are going to slam, then why not slam Matt for the next play where he clearly misread the ball, but once again, it was in very windy conditions, and I think the scorekeeper is ruling the hits as such.

Why does everyone cut Kemp so much slack? The guy has all the tools except a baseball brain. Spit, I don’t know what you were looking at but Kemp clearly strayed way over into Eithier’s territory and caused a collision on a ball that Andre had all the way.

Thanks Tru. I have been on and off here for awhile but have not posted much under that name. This blog has more of “I love my little Dodgerpoo no matter what” feel to it than the Dodger Thoughts blog or even the ProSportsDaily board.
I love the Dodgers but do not like to see mental errors. I appreciate the physical skills that players like Kemp possess but I also like scrappy, less physically gifted players that use their brains to keep on top of the action and take advantage of every opportunity. They know when to take a walk, poke the ball the other way, or to take the extra base when the other team hesitates a little.

Well, it looks like Wilson may have gotten a talking too after yesterday’s game. I guess the rumor was is that Wilson was out partying until 3 am the night before his closing performance yesterday where he blew Cain’s three run lead. Heard that information from gnat fans at school this morning.

I remember in 1951 my teacher a Christian Brother, was the only Giant fan in a class with mostly Dodger fans. He made my classmate, the biggest Dodger bragger, put up the scoreboard the next day after Bobby Thomson HR and stated “There stands the greatest finish in baseball history”
NELLY you can make them Giant fans pay.

tough loss.coming from behind and than letting it slip away.i was at work so i couldnt watch it but i was following it on my phone.thought torre shouldve took belisario out after 1 inning.give troncoso or kuo the ball,even ohman.i dont know the last time that guy pitched.i think we definitely need wade and kuroda back.with wade back,we got our setup man and with kuroda back we can move mcdonald to the pen.i still feel eventualy we’ll need to get another arm.probably a releiver.a good one.luckily we got bills tomorrow and i think he’ll get us a W.the guy’s been great and i hope he can continue it.and goooooooo lakers!!!

yea our BP definitely needs help and good article on Andre.even in a year or two when mannys gone i think having him here for a few years will make dre’ a dangerous hitter all the time for the rest of his carrer.any of you think eventually someone like milton or weaver will get called up?if so,you think they’d come out of the pen or maybe start for McD if he’s still struggling?

I actually would like to see Weaver get a chance. I always liked him when he was with the Dodgers before. I know he’s had some real highs and real lows in recent years, but I’d like to see him come on and really contribute. One thing on his side, he was always very durable and healthy when he was with them before.

im not convinced on either as well.and i feel giving mcdonald the chance is good but if he keeps giving up 4 or 5 runs in only 4 or 5 innings eventually i think they should give weaver a shot,maybe even milton if he continues to pitch well in the minors

I think we should dfa Elbert and called up Weaver and put McDonald in the bullpen. He was great for us last year and against Phillies in the playoff. I was getting worry about Elbert only pitches 1 game the past week.

Oh, I think it’s going to happen. He has as many IBBs as Manny already, and both of them are one behind Youkilis, Pujols and Overbay. It’s kind of good company, don’t you think? Like joepierre said, they seem to pitch around him an awful lot like they are afraid of him, and he has been hit by a pitch by Zito twice this season already, which may not be intentional, but maybe it is.

Well, That Sucked! The Hated Giants Score Three Runs in the Terrible Third when they Shouldn’t Have Scored at All and then Break Down a Terrific Comeback by the Dodgers by Scoring Two Runs in the Awful Eighth by Not Hitting The Stinking Ball out of the Infield after those First Two Singles! And The Worst Part of it All was that Dodgereric Can’t Even Blame Torre for Leaving Bellasario In Because He Was Glad to See Him Start the Eighth! Too Bad the Comeback Was Wasted Because it was a Beautiful Thing To See. We’re Never Out of it This Year, But Then Again We’ll Never Feel Safe With a Lead Either!

The bizarro thing WAS the inspiration, but I just deleted it all. Everything is backwards to them – ugly is beautiful, you win by losing, etc. Maybe enchanted’s imagination can make it work, but I’m coming up empty.

miltons numbers are nice.i say at least two or three more starts before bringing him up,weaver also needs a little more apperances to show hes solid.of course if our bullpens still blowing leads and mcdonalds sucking we’re gonna have to bring some of them up regardless

BTW, there’s an interesting little movie on TCM called “Kill The Umpire” with William Bendix. He’s a guy who hates umps but is in school to become one. I think I saw this about a million years ago. I think he ends up making a big call at the plate in a big game. He calls a guy safe who really seemed out. The catcher dropped the ball and got knocked out. The crowd riots. The catcher comes to later and backs up Bendix’ call.

Good Night Dodgereric!!!! Take care and God Bless to you and your family 🙂

Good Night ITD readers and writers!!!!! A painful game tonight, but tomorrow is another day and another chance to show those gnats who is the best team, with the best fans. I will be interested to hear dcolllins’ take on the game seeing how he was there. Take Care and God Bless to everyone!!

We really don’t have choice do we eric? I really think pitching in ST is alot of different than pitching in a reg season game because in ST the ballpark is always smaller than the reg stadium ballpark. Well actually you guys mean later on today lol.

Good Morning ITD, Dodgerfaithful
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After reading the articles about the game last night, there were alot of should’a ~ would’a ~ coulda’s. That wont get it done, it was a tough atmosphere with the wind and cold not to mention that lame chant, but we still need to put some solid baseball together and come out on top. Wolf erase the first inning and you pitched well, unfortunatly erasing is not an option. I have faith you will step it up though. Fielding errors, we are to good of a team and have way to much talent to continue this pattern, Hit it ~ Field it~ Throw it, and to the right base, yes Belisario they teach you in little league to get the out at first. I have faith you will do better in the future also. We put one good inning together last night when we needed it, only problem was the Giants put two good innings together when they needed it.
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I have heard enough of the Could’a ~ Should’a ~ Woulda’s.
Heck that is my excuse… I could’a been in the big leagues,
I should’a been a hall of famer, I would’a been but I just did’nt get it done. It does’nt work for me and it wont work for you. GET IT DONE BOY’S!!!!!
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WE BELIEVE!!!!
GO DODGERS!!!!!
FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY!!!!!!
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Happy Birthday to Nelly, I hope your day is just fabulous, and we can get you a Dodger win tonight!!!!

How is Kuo going to get back his confidence and stride if he’s not allowed to pitch in a game situation except once a week. In saying that I have to assume that there’s nothing wrong physically with Kuo – always a big assumption when dealing with Conte’s judgment. If he’s not ready from Spring Training and the early season for real game action, then send him down to ABQ, so he can get in some steady work. As it is, his situation really leaves me perplexed, so I can imagine how he feels no matter how much Joe “talks” to him.

My other thought is that Joe is getting caught up in his good Troncoso experience of a few games ago, and he wants every reliever to be able to go more than one inning. Typically that doesn’t work out. How many times do we see a relief pitcher do great in getting his three outs, but blows it in the next inning. That seemed to be the trademark of one Giovanni Carrara. Not automatically blaming last night’s loss on leaving in Bellisario, but the crux of the problem for our eighth inning woes I believes goes back to Kuo and Joe’s inability to use him effectively.

Thank you tru (mom), dodger4life and dcollins!!!! Last night everyone behaved themselves in the house, and I am guessing because of today. However, I want the win today regardless. Even my custodian said even though Zito pitched a good game, we lost the game versus them winning the game. For a Giants fan, he is pretty cool, and he actually hates the “Beat LA” chant.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NELLY! SO TODAY MUST BE A DODGER WIN!
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Good mornint ITD bloggers
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Well last night lost truely sucked. PITCHERS….I’ll blame it on the pitchers…and oh yeah eventhou he is a great player and I love him but KEMP shouldn’t of gotten on ETHIERS way. HUDSON, MANNY & BLAKE good job and oh yeah PIERRE you did contribute to last nights scoring!
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Thank you Rose……………………..one of my students gave me a Dodger history book, and another gave me a stuffed animal named “Andre”….we already have a bears named Ethier and Dodgereric so she went with Andre for a name. However, the best gifts are the homemade cards because they all have reference to either the Dodgers or my love of baseball in general. Like I said, there are many, many days where this class is probably the most challenging I have had in a long, long time, but it’s times like these that are the ones that are cherished and I hold onto. Thanks again Rose, and yes, the Dodgers need to win tonight 🙂

Homemade cards are priceless. Love them! They are wonderful students. Well I hope you have a wonderful day and you receive lots of blessings and hope you receive the best present ever….DODGERS KICKING SOME GIANTS BEHINDS!

Happy Birthday, Nelly. I wouldn’t have known except for the mention by others on ITD. You’re one of the pleasant center-pieces of this ITD forum, one whose comments inspire enthusiasm not only for our Dodgers and the game, but for life itself as you describe it concerning your family and your work function. You are always especially valued here and deserving of all the best. So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, once again.

Hello EMMA…I just checked out your blog…OMG! I love your 70’s outfit…you are CRAZY…in a fun way! LOVE IT. I saw all the pics with Kemp, Manny, Furcal (I think), and of course BROXTON…HE IS TALL..wooow! And of course I ran into your pics of FOOD. I am starving right now, those pics look delicious. So that reminds me…WHEN IN ETHIER UPDATING HIS BLOG?

messagebear – Thank you very much, and I credit you, along with enchanted, jhall, dodgereric, jungar, northstateblues, Kahli and plus others we haven’t seen in a while for making this so enjoyable to read in the first place. It’s the writers who get the readers to sign on in the first place, and ever since the day I signed onto ITD, it’s been a place of fun, excitement, at times the needed seriousness (boy, have we had those times and still are), and of course, the LMAO moments, which definitely seems to be in the majority around here most of time. So, thank you, and as always………………..looking forward to reading what you have to say about this beloved team of ours.

Dodger4life – THAT was wonderful!!!! Thank you…. and the only thing I have to wait on is the youtube one. Everything else came through just fine. Thanks for the parade of Andre pictures – LOL!!!!!! I think Ramslover needs to look at those so he can visualize who number 16 really is so maybe it will sink in this time – LOL!!!!!! You are fabulous and you are our Dodger4life!!!!!!

DODGER4LIFE…if I swing by can NELLY share her present with me…well today since it is NELLY’s day she can enjoy her present all to herself…but tomorrow is another day…LOL….that was great.
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NELLY you are one of the people I am really looking forward to meet during our tour….the TEAM MOM….

can’t wait for billingsley tonight! i trust that he can be the stopper again.. i feel that maybe we’re putting too much pressure on him, but i think he’s mature and can handle it.. he is our ACE after all.. let’s get a win.. GO BLUE!

Is it just me, or was anyone else cussing like a sailor last night when they let Belisario pitch a second inning? Not only that, but NO ONE was warming up. Even neck deep in quicksand, NO ONE was warming up. I felt I could’ve called that one a mile away. I don’t care if it was even James Loney (who did some pitching earlier in his career), they should’ve had somebody else… ANYBODY else.

Don’t get me wrong, when he’s on his game, Ronald Belisario is one of the best producers on the staff (Belisario, producer, get it?… :: sigh ::). But as of late, the guy has trouble INTENTIONALLY WALKING a batter. Seriously.

And the little flip to Russel at home… rookie mistake, hopefully he’ll learn, but another thing he’ll learn is that when it’s Dodgers-Giants, fans have long memories and little sympathy. He REALLY should’ve tagged the batter first if he was gonna flip the ball to J. Martin 3 feet wide and 3 seconds late.

Happy Birthday, nelly. As for Uncle Joe, you really handle a bullpen shi**y, you know that? You burn out your achievers and ignore the rest…which is fine if it’s a 20-game season. Kuo pitched Friday night…”electric stuff” you called it. So Saturday and Sunday pass, a nice two days off, and lo and behold, we wake up and find the Dodgers holding an 8th-inning lead. Kuo? Nah. Pitch Kuo or DL his butt. This bullpen is gassed enough without treating Kuo like a crystal goblet.

Thank you northstateblues – just a Dodger win would be nice considering who I live with 🙂

Ward Dear/Dodgereric…………..all I keep thinking about is your story a couple weeks ago at Lucille’s about when you knew you realized you needed glasses. That is how old I am today, so I keep checking my eye sight. Now, mind you, I don’t need to do even close to the precision work you needed to do. All I need to be able to see is a white board from the back of the room, but still 🙂 Thank you for the birthday wishes, and thank you for the quotes………….very Dodgereric of you, and I love it!!!!!!!!

Good afternoon ITD boys and girls!
I know, I know. It’s been a LONG time since I posted – and when I did, it wasn’t for that long. And I come back to ITD to find out that it’s my Nellygirl’s birthday today!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY NELLY!!! A bit of a rough road trip, I know. But it’s still very early and I’m not too concerned; yet. For me, as long as the Dodgers keep winning most of their series’ then that’ll be okay with me. Just no prolonged slumps. Those things are back-breakers.

Josh mentioned the time when few Dodger games were televised. I remember quite well when the only games televised were the road games against the Giants. I recall watching the game when Marichal hit Roseboro with the bat. That was a scary moment!

lbirken, I remember those days well also. I think that having only 9 televised games back in the day may well explain why I “have to” watch all the games now.
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CP, a big hi to you. How’s the job going?

Hey sparkle! The job is okay, but I think it may be coming to an end soon. It seems like there aren’t many other areas in my crew leader’s territory that needs addresses verified. We just had a meeting this afternoon. If it ends, that’s okay. I mean, I know it’s temporary anyways, and I REALLY need to get back to looking for a regular job. But it was interesting while it lasted! So how are you?

Rose!
Thanks! I had fun with the 70’s outfit. I already had it for one of our Halloween contest here at work. The only thing is the pants to the lime green plaid jacket was fitting me too tight so I just paired it with bell-bottom jeans. Josh laughed when he saw me. And yes, that is Rafael in the Photo Day pictures. I am going to do more restaurant reviews close to the stadium on another thread. Also another thread for those that visit Dodger Stadium for the first time. I was supposed to meet this Rockies fan that droved from Colorado but because his computer was not working, I did not meet him. I wanted to buy his tickets for that weekend, buy him Dodger dogs and show him our beautiful Dodger Stadium. He could have had a better time (except for his Rockies losing) with me showing him around the stadium.
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Hey ITD! remember to make your all star votes! anyways i was wondering if anybody on here listens to dodger talk? ive been calling the show after every game and i won the dodgers blutopia dvd! i love the show and ive been getting pretty comfortable even with the john the guy that takes the calls. its pretty cool cause they know me and give a cool introduction! thanks and btw ken and josh are doing a great job this year. probably cuase we actually have a winning team! well remeber to vote once again!

Thanks Carol! Tom sounds like a nice guy and he was traveling all around. Maybe next time I go to Colorado I’ll meet him or next time he comes this way.
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Sammie, I have not been listening to Dodger talk but I’ll listen next time. I used to call KFWB and back in the days when it was on KABC before. One of these times I’ll make my debut there :-).
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Emma – I remember how nice you were when I met you at the WBC game. Speaking of Colorado, my husband and I are going there for our nephew’s HS graduation Memorial Day weekend. We leave to go back to LAX on Monday the 25th, the same day that the Dodgers play in CO. So we’ve got tickets to that game, before our flight leaves!

I do remember your prayers – and again, thank you! You’re on my prayer list, too.
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Victory gardens date back to the first and second world wars. During those times, people would set out veggie gardens so they could have fresh food. The canned foods were sent to our servicemen overseas. These gardens became known as “victory gardens” because they supported the war effort. I’d dare to say our economic problems and our fight against them can be likened to a war, therefore, I have a victory garden.

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