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AH-HA!! And here we see the failing of the penal system… recivisitism{sp?}
If a criminal is offered no hope for something better…what motivation do they have not to right back to the criminal activity that put them in their state of incarceration in the first place?

The question is raised… if Stacy, Andrea, and Dayna were actually helped with constructive psychiatric counseling and treatment… and given a clear path to societal acceptable ways to use their powers so as to return to the ranks of law-abiding citizenry…would they have changed and become productive participants in the world rather then constantly incarcerated criminals?

While I agree with your point in general, in this specific case, if I’m understanding the backstory correctly, the government inadvertently created monsters that A) it’s afraid to release and B) can’t be rehabilitated by normal means because Phase 2, the process that created them, left them worse than conventionally mentally unbalanced. In effect, the members of Go-5 have been turned into superpowered sociopaths of varying degrees, and, since it’s the result of an artificial process, they may be untreatable, their brains having been rewired on a very fundamental level. (It’s also possible than since Stacy’s power is in some ways the least of them, she’s also the sanest of them)

Frankly, I’m surprised any of them are still alive (unless, of course, they can’t be killed, but that seems unlikely in this world), but my guess is some bureaucrat thinks a return on the ‘investment’ might still be seen someday. Until then, the simplest solution is to put them on ice as soon as they step out of line.

In other words, this takes the scenario you describe and raises it two or three levels of horror, hopelessness, inhumanity and worse, is possibly unresolvable by any known means. Unless, of course, there’s a way to reverse Phase 2 that some asshole is sitting on, again, lest all that ‘investment’ go down the tubes.

Then there’s the fact that they were created behind closed doors, by technically unofficial, unsanctioned facilities to do black-ops work of the decidedly less-than-legal variety. Them even having a chance at normal life would require the gov’t to admit to the whole scenario that led to their situations in the first place, which is not something they are gonna do.

I’m pretty sure her and the other 2 she mentioned are beyond redemption. As mentioned, when they went through Phase 2, almost everything that made them sane and human was destroyed. Rhina was pretty much a lost cause from the beginning of Phase 2. She apparently just really liked to murder people after that.

I’m pretty sure sending Stacy back to prison will just result in more trouble of her getting out again. Pretty sure the only reason they are alive is as Sun said, some bureaucrat thinks a return on the ‘investment’ might still be seen someday.

Stacy should probably just be put out of her misery at this point, especially if she can’t be made to relinquish the Kerri’s old powers. Also, time to melt that chain and take away her fun.

{Wow…glad none of you are any judge I’d have to go to for mercy… lol!}

All good points… yes.

But try to remember …who made her this way? Yes, she is deadly, dangerous, unstable, and potentially psychotically unreachable… but she is still a victim of the people who took her youthful potential and turned it intentionally into something twisted and evil.

Does not her life have value? Should not a hero consider this and try to bring her some justice?

Yes, yes, yes…JUST KILL HER would be such a simple and easy answer that would solve everyone’s embarrassment and culpability…{even the truly guilty monsters that ruined her life}… but is that really justice?

Wouldn’t you want someone to try to help you had the same thing been done to you personally?

This is a simple calculation: how do achieve the lowest body count? And, in particular, how do we achieve the lowest “innocent” body count?

If you spare her, and she kills someone else, even ONE innocent victim, then you screwed up – you should have killed her instead.

Yes, everything is odds, etc, so you have to make your best educated guess, and you could be wrong… but seriously, if she ever gets out, she will kill people. How much is her life worth to risk that for decades?

Wouldn’t you want someone to try to help you had the same thing been done to you personally?

That help does not seem to exist. For all practical purposes, “the truly guilty monsters that ruined her life” KILLED her, and yes, someone should be seeking justice for that… but keeping the result of their evil alive to do more evil isn’t what I would call justice.

If I had been turned into a monster like that, helping me would be making sure I wasn’t a monster anymore, even if the only method of achieving that was to kill me. If I had become a monster like that, the current me would consider me dead already.

Agree on both counts. They have tried to help her, and it has failed. Now all the innocents that she has slain or helped slay need their justice. Imprisonment and reform didn’t work the first time, unfortunately the more drastic step must now be taken.

Also, this site was loading much faster when that we originally announced, but it has slowed down again. The slow posting speed also remains.

Sun,
I think we can be pretty certain that if Dynagirl manages to subdue Glitch and turn her over to the authorities, she most likely WON’T be rehabilitated. The people who made her what she is will want to keep her that way so they can get a, as others have said, “future return on their investment”, so they’ll drop her in the same deep dark hole she escaped from (or a similar one) to keep her “in storage”, so to speak.

Or they’ll just have her killed themselves to cover their asses. Either way, I see no hope for Glitch even if Dynagirl spares her life. Killing her might be a kindness at this point.

Just a bit of catch up here…I’m loving the discussion about the whole justice vs right of killing an opponent like Glitch. I think there are valid points on both sides, and that’s somewhat of a recurring theme in both this series and in Fallen Justice. It’s about the lengths heroes go to, and the lines they cross. Where does the “hero” end and the executioner begin? I’ve always had this issue with heroes like Punisher, to the point I struggle to even call characters like that heroes. DC’s Vigilante was another one in the same vein. You get why they do it, you even feel a sense of right in what they do, but are they really heroes? That’s probably a matter of perspective more than anything. Obi Wan’s ‘certain point of view’ if you will. Believe me, we are nowhere near done looking at this.

Also, I spent some time updating the site so load times should be faster. I’m getting about 4 seconds from hitting the link to a full load…using Safari with a public wifi connection. The comments section being slow may well be a function of the plugin I’m using. I can switch out if anyone knows a better system to use.