Romney, ever on the move about what he stands for

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I apologize for the misplacement of the thread on Romney, where does he really stand. I had not noticed that I was not in the politics board when I started it. So, let us move the discussion here and not limit it to one topic where Romney has moved around and continued to move around chasing votes. He seems shameless, like a shape-sifter, in changing what he says he believes.

For instance on abortion:

As Mitt Romney has moved to the center in an effort to overtake President Barack Obama in the campaign's homestretch, he has by necessity muted -- or even muddied -- his previous opposition to abortion rights, a shift that has left some abortion foes aghast.

As governor of Massachusetts a decade ago, Romney strongly supported abortion rights and said he was "effectively pro-choice." The health care plan he shepherded into law, which was a model for Obama's 2010 national reform, even included taxpayer funding for abortions.

In 2005, as Romney began his quest for the Republican presidential nomination, he announced that he had changed his views and was now "pro-life."

But many abortion opponents were never fully convinced of Romney's conversion, and they blasted Romney throughout the GOP primaries as being insincere. He responded by pledging to work to overturn Roe v. Wade, defund Planned Parenthood, and to take other steps demanded by anti-abortion groups.

Since winning the nomination and moving to the general election, however, those statements appeared to hurt him with key voting blocs -- women, in particular, but also independents and young adults.

So several weeks ago, facing an uphill slog in the polls, Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, a Catholic, began to de-emphasize issues like abortion and gay rights in order to win over some of those voters. When they did discuss abortion, it was in terms that seemed to soften or even contradict Romney's earlier positions.

In late August, for example, Romney dismayed some hard-line abortion foes by sharply denouncing Missouri GOP senate candidate Todd Akin for his controversial remarks about rape and abortion. Romney followed that by distancing himself from the Republican platform that bars abortion in all cases, adding that he viewed the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe decision legalizing abortion as "settled."

Then on Oct. 9, Romney told The Des Moines Register that he would not push any abortion-related legislation if elected -- which seemed to contradict a column he wrote in National Review last year detailing the anti-abortion legislation he would support.

And this week, the Romney campaign released a new ad aimed at women voters that stresses Romney's support for contraception and provisions that would allow women to have legal abortions.

Romney followed that up in Tuesday (Oct. 16) night's debate with President Obama by declaring that "Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives." He also said employers should not be able to bar women from receiving such insurance, an apparent reversal of his previous position on that hot-button topic.

While Romney's campaign has often issued follow-up clarifications to reassure social conservatives of Romney's underlying commitments, the initial impression of a more moderate Romney endured -- and many abortion opponents who are passionate about their issue took offense.

"I'm running out of fingers and toes to count the number of positions he has taken on abortion," Steve Deace, a conservative radio host in Iowa, told The Washington Post. "This is someone who does not have a deep or abiding position on this issue either way, and I think what it does is it puts pro-life leadership in America in a difficult position. I don't know anybody in the pro-family movement who is not for sale who trusts him."

On Wednesday, Anna Williams at the conservative journal First Things said she was nonplused by Romney's comments on contraception. "I remain nervous, for there appears to be more than one Mitt Romney," Williams wrote.

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Pot, meet kettle. I don't think we have ever had a candidate or a president who did not blow every which way with the shifting sands- even Ronald Regan was not immune. Obama can't decide who to blame for his failures from day to day.

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I apologize for the misplacement of the thread on Romney, where does he really stand. I had not noticed that I was not in the politics board when I started it. So, let us move the discussion here and not limit it to one topic where Romney has moved around and continued to move around chasing votes. He seems shameless, like a shape-sifter, in changing what he says he believes.

For instance on abortion:

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Your mistake Crabby is in reading what these radical leftists like the Huffington Post publish. Anything they write is likely to be a lie; sort of like Obama!

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Romney followed that up in Tuesday (Oct. 16) night's debate with President Obama by declaring that "Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives." He also said employers should not be able to bar women from receiving such insurance, an apparent reversal of his previous position on that hot-button topic.

The quotes from the debate on Oct 16 regarding contraceptives and contraception. We see the lengths that the Huffington Post, Crabby, and assorted leftists will go to distort the truth about Romney. And it is a shame that Crabtownboy would use a Christian Forum to post such lies!

OBAMA: Katherine, I just want to point out that when Governor Romney’s campaign was asked about the Lilly Ledbetter bill, whether he supported it? He said, “I’ll get back to you.” And that’s not the kind of advocacy that women need in any economy. Now, there are some other issues that have a bearing on how women succeed in the workplace. For example, their healthcare. You know a major difference in this campaign is that Governor Romney feels comfortable having politicians in Washington decide the health care choices that women are making.

I think that’s a mistake. In my health care bill, I said insurance companies need to provide contraceptive coverage to everybody who is insured. Because this is not just a — a health issue, it’s an economic issue for women. It makes a difference. This is money out of that family’s pocket. Governor Romney not only opposed it, he suggested that in fact employers should be able to make the decision as to whether or not a woman gets contraception through her insurance coverage.

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ROMNEY: I’d just note that I don’t believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives. And — and the — and the president’s statement of my policy is completely and totally wrong.

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This is so repetative that it rivals the ad nauseum Calvin threads. How many time does it have to be said??? Everyone that is going into the voting booth to pull the lever for Romney is aware of his flaws. How could we not be on this board? How many times does the comparison have to be made??? Yes, Romney during his tenure as governor of MA either supported or did not oppose abortion rights. That was over a decade ago. He says he has changed. His faith, flawed as it is, is pro life. So, the choice comes down to, on abortion, would you rather vote for someone who is not only for abortion but pushes the agenda, or someone who says they have changed and there is a chance they are telling the truth. If Romney double crosses conservatives on abortion, he will pay and pay dearly. I can see him not getting the nomination in 2016 for such antics.

The same argument can be made about his stance on gay rights, gun control, and government run health care. All we have is his word, but that beats the whatever out of Obama's known evil agenda.

On his denomination, faith, however you want to term it, that is what bothers me the most. No one can argue that the Jesus Christ of the Mormon Church is the Jesus Christ of the Bible. We all know the gold leaves, angel Macaroni, and celestial cities are nonsense, as is the Book of Mormon. One might as well read a Superman comic.

Maybe one day I will answer for voting for such a person who believes these fairy tales, however, Mormons do have a strong morality, a dynamic work ethic, and are some of the kindest people on earth. Despite their flawed theology, they stood up for it, and many died. The fought Indians, Protestants, Catholics, the general American citizenry, and harsh elements to establish what they believe to be the will of their God. We all could use a dose of that type of dedication.

Romney is no Reagan, but he has the basic characteristics on a secular level to turn this nation around. He has a good Vice President. Whoever he chooses for Secretary of State, Attorney General, and Defense Secretary will surely be a cut above what we have today. At least Romney has been in business, run a government, and turned around deficits twice.

I am the first to admit this is the worst nominee I have ever voted for. Maybe we will be delightfully surprised, with the string of losers we have had since Reagan. For pete sake, give the guy a chance.

I can name all of my friends that understand what Romney is, Carpro, Arbo, Rev Mitchell, Old Regular, Lady Eagle, In the Light, Targus. Salty, Mexdeaf, Winman, and many more. What is the purpose of endless threads to point out Romney's flaws?

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