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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma">Explanation</font> of use:</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma">I used some of the images from OCAL for the state UIL contest for music memory. It is non-profit, however if they print it the music maps they will be sold to schools to cover the cost of the printing.
It is for educational use.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">They paid me to create some of the art and assemble a montage of images for the music maps.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">This email has me worried that even PD and CC images may not be truly free for any use. Are they?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Jody Rentfro</font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> clipart-bounces+rentfroj=lisd.net@lists.freedesktop.org [clipart-bounces+rentfroj=lisd.net@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of chovynz [chovynz@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> clipart<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Clipart] Librarians be aware of http://www.freeclipartnow.com<br>
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<div>Hi Guys, please remember to "reply to all" or put the mailing list in the replies. :) I've had two replies so far which would be better on the mailing list than to me directly.<br>
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Here's a reply from a chap at Creative Commons to the discussions we've had. Start from the bottom up.<br>
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Cheers<br>
Choyvnz<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I have to state up front that, as Tobias stated for you on the list,<br>
neither am I lawyer. I have been answering questions like this for a<br>
long time, but none of it should be taken for fact or legal advice.<br>
Also, CC isn't a license law firm and isn't able to provide legal<br>
advice. What I can do is to give you my take on the matter based on<br>
how I understand things to work.<br>
<br>
First thread:<br>
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CC0 is not a license; it is more like a waiver or badge of intent.<br>
It's an important distinction. CC0 should be used by copyright<br>
holders who would like to waive as many rights as applicable law<br>
allows. The PD document should be used by people who want to tag or<br>
mark public domain works they find as being in the public domain to<br>
the best of their knowledge. I don't think someone should be tagging<br>
a public domain work with a CC0 badge. Instead, I think the PD badge<br>
is more appropriate:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/</a><br>
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Second thread:<br>
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I couldn't read the whole thing, sorry. It's just too long, and we<br>
are too few at CC. I scanned it, though, and really the matter comes<br>
down to this: risk assessment. If they published something on their<br>
site and *say* that it's "public domain," except for this that and the<br>
other thing, how will that stand up in court, which is all that really<br>
matters at the end of the day? If they tell you to take it down, you<br>
do. If they sue you, it's another matter. Likewise, it's another<br>
matter if someone uses it from OCAL then gets sued by the people who<br>
own it. Their claim that it is public domain, but with some<br>
exceptions, may just be a semantic difference. Maybe what they mean<br>
to say is: "This is *practically* public domain, but respect these few<br>
things. My only advice is to simply contact that site for<br>
clarification, if you haven't already.<br>
<br>
This may not be a satisfactory answer, but there is no other, really,<br>
except for giving out opinions. When all is said and done, what<br>
anyone says, lawyer or not, means nothing unless they have the<br>
opportunity to argue and win their point in a court before a judge.<br>
This is why I say it's about risk assessment. Are you prepared to<br>
take the chance that they will sue you or some user of OCAL.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Nathan<br>
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On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Creative Commons<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@creativecommons.org"><info@creativecommons.org></a> wrote:<br>
> A new submission (form: "Contact")<br>
> ============================================<br>
> Submitted on: June 16, 2010<br>
> Via: /<br>
> By 118.92.181.42 (visitor IP).<br>
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> Name: Chovynz<br>
> Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a><br>
> Subject:: General information<br>
> Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openclipart.org/" target="_blank">http://openclipart.org/</a><br>
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> Message:<br>
> I am a Librarian for Open Clipart Library. We use the Public Domain Waiver for our clipart.<br>
><br>
> I have two questions that I would really really appreciate you guys taking some time to answer.<br>
><br>
> The first is here. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010730.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010730.html</a>, self-explanatory.<br>
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> The second is here.http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010731.html. Part of the question is "If a site claims it's 'clipart' to be PD, can they put restrictions on those clipart, like "You can not upload this to a competitive venture."
Is their statement, legally invalid, and is it still ok to take their clipart and put it on our site, especially if they use a different format. "<br>
> Please read the entire thread so that you know where we are up to in the discussion.<br>
><br>
> Where does legality, and ethics come into this?<br>
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> Thank you for your time. Please feel free to email me any answer, and I'll upload it to the mailing list.<br>
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