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Interesting, so the future iPhone 9 might be the last one with the physical home button and bezel before merging the product lines into the iPhone XI. This will give Apple time to get the bezel-free face recognition tech manufacturing costs down before rolling out with it as the sole configuration. I see what they're doing there!

OR... since it wasn't specifically mentioned, maybe it was a one-shot. It gives them an "out" in case face recognition is not fully embraced by the masses.

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OR... since it wasn't specifically mentioned, maybe it was a one-shot. It gives them an "out" in case face recognition is not fully embraced by the masses.

I can see this as being a concern for individuals who do not want to have their confiscated phone unlocked against their wishes. Say for a criminal investigation where presently you would have to physically put your finger on the sensor to unlock, but with the face scanner presumably anyone with the phone could hold it up to your face (perhaps unbeknownst to you) and gain access to the phone. Although, an individual should still have the option of using a passcode, but if you are not going to use the face scan then why buy it?

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OR... since it wasn't specifically mentioned, maybe it was a one-shot. It gives them an "out" in case face recognition is not fully embraced by the masses.

I can see this as being a concern for individuals who do not want to have their confiscated phone unlocked against their wishes. Say for a criminal investigation where presently you would have to physically put your finger on the sensor to unlock, but with the face scanner presumably anyone with the phone could hold it up to your face (perhaps unbeknownst to you) and gain access to the phone. Although, an individual should still have the option of using a passcode, but if you are not going to use the face scan then why buy it?

I can see it being a concern for people who get mugged. As long as the victim's eyes are open, even if the victim is dead, the mugger can unlock the phone.

I expect that their face recognition, once a few million people get it, will have no end of problems. Just like fingerprint recognition on the current models. Biometrics is never "exact". It's just "Pretty good". Honestly I can't wait for the "My iPhone is racist" complaints.I also wonder how they will be 'hard reset'. There has always been some jiggery-pokery that people can do to reset most devices. An inability to hard reset a device implies the device will always be perfect, and even the most casual observer knows that there is no such thing.

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OR... since it wasn't specifically mentioned, maybe it was a one-shot. It gives them an "out" in case face recognition is not fully embraced by the masses.

I can see this as being a concern for individuals who do not want to have their confiscated phone unlocked against their wishes. Say for a criminal investigation where presently you would have to physically put your finger on the sensor to unlock, but with the face scanner presumably anyone with the phone could hold it up to your face (perhaps unbeknownst to you) and gain access to the phone. Although, an individual should still have the option of using a passcode, but if you are not going to use the face scan then why buy it?

I can see it being a concern for people who get mugged. As long as the victim's eyes are open, even if the victim is dead, the mugger can unlock the phone.

Isn't carrying a finger around a bit less wieldy than carrying a head ?

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I'm assuming that the IR sensor will also be able to tell if the body is near warm-body (alive) temperatures.

I.. wonder about that IR imaging concept. Not a FLIR... probably a sensor design, so near IR only. May not work in Canadian winters, eh ? I was also surprised to see a Lightning port.. I expect that will go away next.

Android's face ID even tells you that people that look very similar might cause the phone to unlock. Facebook's facial recognition for image tagging isn't perfect either. I don't think there's any hope in hell that Apple is going to get its face ID bulletproof, it is going to have some cracks in the implementation. That's just one faction of the trial balloon that the X phone likely is.
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