One of the highlights brought by the Government Desktop is the fact that it saves the whole data on encrypted filesystems. Furthermore KMail is preconfigured to send and receive encrypted e-mail (GnuPG and S/MIME) and to make use of all kinds of authority certificates. The package is completed by integrated spam and virus protection and a preconfigured personal firewall.

OSS is virgin territory to most and much more approachable by CD than by pulling pieces from the web.
Are there any takers yet (my German is rusty)? I guess this a competitor to SuSE (which also is Debian based AFAIK). But what about support?
And why Mozilla - what is it that it can do that Konqueror cannot? Does it integrate with OO? I have it but use only Konqueror.

> > And why Mozilla - what is it that it can do that Konqueror cannot?

mail, irc, webpage composer, and all that on the windows platfom too...

> The unfortunate truth is that Mozilla is better at displaying broken websites than Konqueror is. I don't think that is it possible that Konqueror will ever get there by just fixing bugs.

True.

> The most efficient method is to use their code.

KHTML is (IMO) more efficient than gecko... If there would be a gecko-kpart this will result in loss of speed. Not having to use the bloated gecko was the main reason to create KHTML in the first place.

> My suggested solution is to either totally integrate FoxFire/Gecko into KHTML or to make a FoxFire/Gecko based KPart so that users can choose to use it in place of KHTML.

MY CURRENT SOLUTION is to start Mozilla/Firefox when Konq cannot view a particular website. Which is like once every 2 months for me. When there would be a site that i regularly have to use and that i cant open with Konq I'll let the site maintainer and the konq-team know, till that day I work like this.

> MY CURRENT SOLUTION is to start Mozilla/Firefox when Konq cannot view a
> particular website. Which is like once every 2 months for me. When there would
> be a site that i regularly have to use and that i cant open with Konq I'll
> let the site maintainer and the konq-team know, till that day I work like this.

This is just my experience, don't take it as real survay.

I was happily using Konqi from RH8 default KDE (3.0.4 IMHO). Quite happy about that. As I worked for Linux based company, it was my desktop 99% of the time. Only few pages did not want to render properly. But they were readable anyway.

Once, I screwed up my HDD, so I installed RH9, and its 3.1.? KDE. I was not quite happy, so I upgraded to then latest 3.1.4. Suddenly, I had to go to Mozzila very, very often. I was quite dissapointed.

One month later, I moved to win-based job (I am writing this in Mozilla 1.6 on WinXP), so I cannot say about KDE 3.2.x, but this regression left a bad taste in my mouth.

And I cannot forget my true love: KMail! Nothing comparable to it in Win world!

Anyway - also with the browser id set to Windows? Apple's trademark to me is perfectionism if anything and it's puzzling then that Safari would adopt khtml - but maybe that's what Apple fixed (some of) and gave back.

I still use firefox once in a while though, and it has nothing to do with bad html coding. For MathML suppor for instance. Also cannot wait for "find as you type" support in KDE 3.3 :) That said, Konqueror is already my favourite browser.

It may come as a suprise to many Germans, but Internet & computers mostly
speak English to you (from one corner or another). Thus, some may prefer to
use their desktop with one language only - no mixed language settings to
me, thank you. I hate partial translations; which, they more or less always
are.

Several times I tried to use KOffice to work on more complex .doc files of WinWord2000. It was hell how KOffice misformatted the files. I understand why they don't want to use it 'cause beside .pdf it's quasi-standard for file exchange in the real world... sorry for bringing you down.

I've used Kword since January for writing reports. I really wanted to be able to use Kword but I found that it just isn't ready for prime time use. It needs a lot of polish and bug squishing. In general, I found that it took longer to complete my work using Kword then when I used OpenOffice.org.

On the 5th FISL in Porto Alegre, brazil, brazilian government throught it's ITI arm (institute for technologies) was giving away nice customized kurumim (fork of knopix) live cds with propaganda to show people and companies (there where two flavors for you to choose) about linux and open source.

Governments are taking linux very seriusly almost everywhere. The biggest resistence seems to come from US, a logic thing because the country gets a lot of money from software export.

Yes, we here in the U.S. are bastards. OSS does need to be taken seriously, not only within governments, but also in companies and personal use. Unfortunatly, many people here are still stuck on Windows. I have been trying to convince my friend to use Linux, but he is so stuck in the Windows rut that I can't get anything across to him.
Him: "I like the Windows interface."
Me: "Linux looks almost exactly the same."
Him: "I like the Windows programs."
Me: "Linux has almost identical programs."
Him: "I like games."
Me: "I can run Windows games on Linux." (http://www.transgaming.com)
Him: "...No wanna try Linux..."

Actually this could even herlp linux, give a person a computer with linux pre-installed and ... it will use and like it!
Most people simply don't have brains for computers nor want to care of what it is running.

Heck, I'd guess half of the world's computer users can't even tell the two apart. Linux won't ever take off with "normal" users until the OEM's are shipping it.

Most people don't really care what OS they're using so long as stuff works. In the shortterm this is bad for us; in the longterm it's great.

Most of the time this is kind of like those door to door cutlery salesmen -- I mean sure, they've got nice knives and whatnot, but I don't really care beyond "it cuts stuff; that's all I need them for -- I don't really care if you can saw through a log with it." ;-)

I agree. This is even AFTER people complain to me about Windows .. "too much spyware" "too many viruses" "trojans" who knows what else.

I popped in a Knoppix CD (from mid-May) today for a Windows guy -- within a minute or so, it detected EVERYTHING on his brand new 3.2Ghz P4 machine. Internet access was self configured, I did a quick config of the printer and he was going. Heck, I even plugged in some USB devices (scanner, etc..) and Knoppix detected I plugged them in and let me use them WITHOUT installing drivers or other non-sense.

We are not just talking a stripped down WinXP install (or rescue boot disk) .. we are talking a fully configured system with scanning, OCR, fully featured office suite, fully featured CD/DVD writing capabilities, games, multimedia apps, full internet suite (gaim, mozilla, mail, newsgroups, irc, you name it..), desktop publishing (scribus) and who knows what else is jammed on that CD. Nothing in the Windows world even comes close to that amount of functionality accessible in less than 2 minutes. Not only that, but its FREE. Free to use, free to distribute, free to hack, free to do basically whatever with.

He still doesn't get it. Its funny, after I demo'd Knoppix and he was leaving, he started in again about Windows related problems -- issue with his iPod locking up the system, random reboots, spyware, etc..etc..etc.. *shrug*

To be fair, Wine or Cedega (formerly WineX) aren't really that practical as a general alternative to Windows for running games - not all games work perfectly (or at all), games tend to run slower, and it costs extra. Couple that with ATI's fairly poor 3D driver performance in Linux and it is not a good recipe for running Windows games. Personally I've subscribed to WineX/Cedega (for now), but I still reboot into Windows to play a lot of games because it's just easier. Other than that I run my KDE-based system as a full-time home desktop.

I agree though, some people seem to have a strong resistance to Linux even if they see the problems with Windows and don't run games.