... are you going to give access to the full address book or just parts of it? more granular capability

16:32:47 [npdoty]

... the seed that was planted about minimization, a realization that the API can let applications minimize, might be as far as we can go with API specifications

16:33:17 [npdoty]

... can give suggestions to application developers but they'll do what they're going to do, but definitely good to give tools that are useful

16:33:58 [npdoty]

JoeAlhadeff: just saying that thinking about use cases is important in coming up with what minimization tools we should have and what functionality we should enable

16:34:12 [npdoty]

... useful to look at the context of uses when you start to define the library of tools

16:34:15 [npdoty]

ack kboudaou

16:34:16 [tara]

ack kboudaou

16:35:10 [kboudaou]

Sorry for the echoes

16:35:17 [kboudaou]

I write on irc

16:36:55 [kboudaou]

Regarding the fact focussing on protocol vs applications, from my point of view we should start with the application level to help developers to take into account when designing for example mobile web appl

16:37:15 [npdoty]

npdoty: maybe we just give the advice to the api designers that we should often think about the potential applications in deciding exactly what kind of minimization/granularity

16:37:52 [npdoty]

JoeAlhadeff: help the protocol designer to think beyond just how they themselves would use the API to avoid something overly burdensome

16:38:09 [npdoty]

... get input of use cases from business perspectives which might otherwise be missed

16:38:42 [npdoty]

... give the tools to enable compliance, not a handcuffing that would enforce compliance

16:38:56 [npdoty]

... avoid developing protocols in just an academic space

16:40:19 [npdoty]

tara: chairs will try to summarize and send this back to the group

16:40:29 [npdoty]

... discussion on the mailing list since there's more than we can do in any single call

16:40:45 [npdoty]

... think about what we can actually write down

16:40:58 [npdoty]

... discussion on the mailing list or collecting documents/examples/use cases on the wiki

16:41:23 [npdoty]

topic: Dependencies and liaisons

16:41:36 [npdoty]

tara: collection of other groups that we've identified in the charter

16:41:41 [Christine]

q+

16:41:50 [tara]

ack christine

16:41:56 [npdoty]

... if you're aware of any other groups we should liaise with, let us know

16:42:09 [npdoty]

Christine: had a very useful discussion with the IAB Privacy Program last week

16:42:10 [Zakim]

- +33.9.53.61.aabb

16:42:36 [npdoty]

... keen to help us how they can, make sure both communities are aware of what's happening (alissa, feel free to add)

16:42:51 [npdoty]

... Tara and I also reached out to Chairs of other groups in the W3C

16:42:56 [Zakim]

+ +33.9.53.61.aaii

16:43:17 [npdoty]

... whether they've encountered privacy issues in their work, how they've handled privacy, views and advice on what works best

16:43:34 [npdoty]

... in the charter we have a number of groups listed,

16:43:36 [vic_]

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16:43:55 [npdoty]

... if anyone in this PING group is participating in those groups, you can help keep us up to date on their activities

16:43:56 [Christine]

q-

16:44:11 [npdoty]

... Web Cryptography a new one to add the list

16:44:11 [kboudaou]

+q

16:44:18 [npdoty]

ack kboudaou

16:45:14 [npdoty]

kboudaou: we have just started a new Working Group on Privacy and Security in the middle of June in Brussels, interdisciplinary working group to gather people from economics, pyschology, etc. to discuss privacy issues from different points of view

16:45:29 [npdoty]

... not focus on privacy just from the technologist's point of view

16:45:43 [npdoty]

... will keep you up to date on this group, give feedback

16:45:46 [npdoty]

... link on the wiki

16:45:54 [tara]

w?

16:45:56 [tara]

q?

16:45:58 [npdoty]

q+

16:47:25 [npdoty]

npdoty: regarding liaisons, is it useful for us to look at privacy reviews of particular W3C specs

16:47:44 [npdoty]

... for example, concretely I was involved in Geolocation and Device APIs with privacy issues

16:47:54 [Christine]

q+

16:48:00 [npdoty]

... should we look for people to have that conversation and do that review?