I've gotta say, either of these women would be light year improvements over Dalton ...

I prefer Pupatello myself, but you can't dismiss Wynne's accomplishments. The thing is, she was essentially a civil servant herself, and these relationships are incestuous enough as it is. But that's my taste. The fact is that either of these women will be more effective leaders for the Liberals than the odious p.o.s. they're replacing.

What is this going to do to Hudak? Pupatello is likely to run against Dalton's government, and steal his platform. Seriously. That's what I would foresee.

I am less sure about Wynne, but she's an effective speaker, and a sharp politician who can cut a deal.

What is this going to do to Hudak? Pupatello is likely to run against Dalton's government, and steal his platform. Seriously. That's what I would foresee.

The advice I would have for the PC's is that you don't let her,

Lets not forget she was in McGunity's government from 1999 - 2011 she may have been one of the first rats to fleet the ship but she was riding it for more then a decade.

My personal favorite bit of history is that she was Minister of International Trade and Investment who's portfolio includes attracting business to Ontario from 2008 to 2011, what a stellar track record during that time.

Her caucus will also be largely populated with the same MPP's who got us into this mess and just because Bentley, McGunity, and Duncan have gone off into the night it does not absolve her party of the situation Ontario finds itself in today.

She would need to campaign on repealing the last year of legislation which I can't see happening.

I also LOVE the optics of the fact that Sousa who is the MPP of one of the ridings that benefited from the power plant cancellation will likely end up as Finance Minister or Deputy Premier in either potential victors caucus.

She forces Hudak to finally embrace the right in the same manner that Harris did;
Long overdue.

Bugs wrote:

I am less sure about Wynne, but she's an effective speaker, and a sharp politician who can cut a deal.

This is going to change everything.

Wynne would make a push to embrace the public sector unions that McGunity has had issues with which would play well in Toronto, Hamilton, and Windsor but not in many other places.

What is this going to do to Hudak? Pupatello is likely to run against Dalton's government, and steal his platform. Seriously. That's what I would foresee.

The advice I would have for the PC's is that you don't let her,

Lets not forget she was in McGunity's government from 1999 - 2011 she may have been one of the first rats to fleet the ship but she was riding it for more then a decade.

My personal favorite bit of history is that she was Minister of International Trade and Investment who's portfolio includes attracting business to Ontario from 2008 to 2011, what a stellar track record during that time.

Her caucus will also be largely populated with the same MPP's who got us into this mess and just because Bentley, McGunity, and Duncan have gone off into the night it does not absolve her party of the situation Ontario finds itself in today.

She would need to campaign on repealing the last year of legislation which I can't see happening.

I also LOVE the optics of the fact that Sousa who is the MPP of one of the ridings that benefited from the power plant cancellation will likely end up as Finance Minister or Deputy Premier in either potential victors caucus.

She forces Hudak to finally embrace the right in the same manner that Harris did;
Long overdue.

Bugs wrote:

I am less sure about Wynne, but she's an effective speaker, and a sharp politician who can cut a deal.

This is going to change everything.

Wynne would make a push to embrace the public sector unions that McGunity has had issues with which would play well in Toronto, Hamilton, and Windsor but not in many other places.

She would be the ideal opponent.

The issue is if she was to embrace the unions you risk making many many people upset people don't want to see a pro union leader again.

What if Kennedy realized from the start that he's pretty much a spent force, and entered the leadership race just to see what he could get out of it?

From the moment that he saw he wasn't a real contender, he only had to angle to be the king-maker to advance himself. (I'd have said "queen-maker" except I worried that someone might think I was playing the homosexual card ... ) You know what I mean.

He probably accomplished his two leading goals ... first, he tipped the balance to the left's candidate, and second, he will get himself on the public payroll, somehow, once again. The thing is, if the Liberals don't return to power, it won't mean much.

What if Kennedy realized from the start that he's pretty much a spent force, and entered the leadership race just to see what he could get out of it?

From the moment that he saw he wasn't a real contender, he only had to angle to be the king-maker to advance himself. (I'd have said "queen-maker" except I worried that someone might think I was playing the homosexual card ... ) You know what I mean.

He probably accomplished his two leading goals ... first, he tipped the balance to the left's candidate, and second, he will get himself on the public payroll, somehow, once again. The thing is, if the Liberals don't return to power, it won't mean much.

I can tell you at least from what I was hearing that Kennedy's camp felt they were a lock to secure leadership from the moment he declared.

From the day the first delegate leader board was released the Kennedy camp had been doing anything in their power to piece together a coalition of non-Wynne, non- Pupatello candidates to back him.

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