Man, I hope they don’t burn Murphy for some marginal junk, like Hammel.

n0exit

Murphy, Zoilo, JRam for Hammel. Book it. ;)

http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

3 near ready-for-the-majors players for a guy on a 1/6M contract?

No.

Yankee$

He winked at ya.

http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

Nice to see Zoilo finally go yard from the right side.

PhillyMatt

I’ll take the over on Murphy. There is not much out there that will get them out of this season of mediocrity.

Is there a promotion this year for Camarena or does he spend the whole year in Tampa?

Tyrone Sharpton

I really, really hope they don’t trade Judge or Murphy unless it’s for someone like Price.

Pirate4life

Heyman tweeted today,that one scout called Servino “a young pedro” referencing his heater and improving change.

both ref. and Servino have received high praise recently

n0exit

The biggest question is can they fix his mechanics. No lower body involvement at all really he’s just up there hurling 98. Gotta tone it down a notch from max effort if he doesn’t want to end up in the pen.

Slap-Ass

A lot of people will be on suicide watch once Cashman trades all our good prospects.

n0exit

You know, this happens a lot less than people think. Last top prospect traded for shitty vet? You could argue Ajax but Grandy was pretty good and Ajax isn’t that flash. I think the reason we don’t already have a pitcher is because Cashman doesn’t want to give much up.

RetroRob

I’ll take an A-Jax for Grandy-like trade again. 40-HR hitting, lefty CFers do not grow on trees.

But, yeah, for the most part Cashman does not trade prospects for aging vets. Real prospects. Problem is the Yankees haven’t had many of them recently.

hornblower

They do now and he will hang on to them. Refsnider and Judge are the real deal.

We need to come to Jesus with the fact that Quintana was a pretty flukey fluke. Tommy Kahnle grows on trees.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

Omg come on dude. Kahnle is what he is. Are we really crying over kahnle? Like we were over kontos? Give me a break. Dudes a reliever who would you have tossed off the 40 for him?

And quintana. It happens. Johann santanna was a rule 5. The list of good players who figured it out on teams other than their original one is ridiculously long, it happens.

Everyone needs to stop with this. I wish we had quintana too. We don’t time to move on.

Jorge Steinbrenner

Correction. It doesn’t happen, like, at all, especially not for a stretch-run rental.

A couple of us had this conversation offline from here following a certain dipshit on here insisting otherwise in a game thread recently.

The absolute closest I could come up with was Zach McAllister for Austin Kearns, and McAllister had long since faded in Yankee eyes as a top pitching prospect.

They’ll keep on saying it, though, because it gets them attention.

nycsportzfan

Just give Roller a chance, please. If he can just have a solid OBP with his power , it’d be a big help.

Also Gary Sanchez seems to of figured it out.

Refs, Judge, and Severino might be our 3 best prospects with Jagielo and Clarkin on the outside looking in.

And how about Luis Torrens having a game.. Lets not forget about young Torrens.

Preston

Kyle Roller isn’t good. None of what he’s doing right now would translate to the majors. He’s 26, which means that he’s pretty much fully developed. He’s striking out in 29% of his plate appearances. If he were at the majors that rate would probably climb. His BA is currently propped up by a .389 BABIP. He’s slow, he doesn’t hit the ball that hard and I doubt he has an Ichiro like approach of directional hitting that’s going to allow him to carry over a BABIP like that to the majors. His walk rate is probably inflated by the fact that he’s a power hitter at AAA. Yet, his power isn’t that great. A .196 ISO isn’t enough to cover up his warts. If he was in the majors he’d probably hit something like .220/.300/.390 as a slow, poor defensive 1b/DH. That’s not good. He probably won’t get more than a handful of MLB ABs in his career and he doesn’t deserve them. If you want anyone to take your comments seriously you need to stop hyping every prospect and learn to read between the lines a little bit. These are basic concepts; age versus level, contact rates and BABIP. Stop the nonsense.

nycsportzfan

Oh yeah, because 26yrs old that have been finally given a chance never end up carving out a solid career.(sarcasm)

If you want to tell someone to stop hyping every prospect, you might wanna not get on the guy who never hyped Roller to begin with, but simply said hes deserving of a shot. Hes done every thing hes supposed to do. It won’t be the first, or the thousandth time a team makes a mistake and don’t bring up a player that could help.

By the way , i’ve been saying they should bring up Roller for the past couple months, pretty much we’ve slumped ever since offensively, so what harm would he have done? Exactly.

Angelo

It’s very uncommon for a player making their mlb debut at 26 to be a successful player. The only thing Roller has going for him is the numbers he’s put up. Scouting reports and age are against him being an average mlb player.

Also, his numbers in Triple-A aren’t that great for a poor defensive 1B. .291/.378/.486. Which is just great in MLB, but these numbers are in Triple-A with everything else suggesting he’s an org guy. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Every system has this kind of guy hitting well in Triple-A.

If the Yankees truly believed he could help, he would have been called up by now. The team’s offense has been dreadful. There’s a reason why they haven’t called him up. Please, take some time and do some research on how this whole prospect thing works.

You seem pretty invested in the team, but your optimism and “the glass is full” mind set about prospects shows a lack of understanding for how frequently prospects actually have success at the big league level. To be clear, I’m not just talking about Roller.

Most prospects fail, and that’s okay. We don’t even know if Refsnyder will be good this year and his numbers are off the charts.

IRememberCelerinoSanchez

Exactly.

It is fun to follow the farm teams, even the AAAA/org players like Roller.

But when one looks to extend the fun to thinking about which guys could help the Yankees, the first rule is that AAA statistics are literally meaningless outside of the context of scouting. The AAA leaderboards are not a list of players who can have MLB success. It doesn’t work that way.

There are TONS of Kyle Rollers doing well in AAA who will never have any MLB success. Every organization has one or more.

Roller does not “deserve” a shot at MLB because the people paid to watch him everyday see that his game won’t play in MLB. If stats meant a guy deserved a chance, MLB would get a lot crappier because all the AAAA players putting up big numbers in AAA would come up and stink.

And even if Roller could help, what roster move do you make? Do you waive Teixeira or Beltran (the guys taking up the two spots Roller can play)? The only position player with options left is Solarte. Now you have team with four infielders for the three non-1B spots. Not ideal.

Keep enjoying the minor league results. I do. But enough already with not understanding the difference between a prospect and an org guy.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

Though to be fair the org masher who goes bananas for six weeks after getting a call up isn’t unheard of. He isn’t a real prospect but he’s got power and patience and could hit a few home runs if he gets called up sometime. But there is no spot for him. They aren’t giving up on Beltran or McCann. If those guys don’t have big second halves the season is lost either way.

But yeah org guys do occasionally mash in the majors for no real reason.

Unlikely but it’s not a rare occurrence.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I’d definitely agree.

Angelo

Yeah, I agree.

Deep Thoughts

NO. Stop. This is the part where you say, “Oh! Thank you.”

Jorge Steinbrenner

Name me five 26 year-old org-type guys in the past 20 years who have carved out solid MLB careers. Go.

nycsportzfan

You doubt, You probably don’t think, and you give predictions on what you think he’ll do. Well, if you were the defining voice of reason, maybe i’d agree.lol

I’ll take the guy who was drafted for his bat and has done nothing but hit for power and watch himself become more of a complete hitter along the way and hes progressed in the OBP throughout his career.

This might come as a shock to you but you dont have to be a HS player who has to develop for yrs before getting there chance and suceeding. It don’t take a college kid long before hes 24-27 yrs old. Its not like hes spent to long at any one level.

nycsportzfan

By the way, the only way we’ll find out is if the guy gets a chance. When a guys progressed at every level and is hitting
320BA 16HR 45RBI 402OBP 987OPS and your very problem at the big league level is scoring runs and hitting for power, you give em a chance.

The worst thing that can happen is we lose games 2-1 at home to the rays.

IRememberCelerinoSanchez

No, you find out by watching the guy play in AAA and using your professional judgement to determine if his approach, bat speed, swing, etc. would allow him to be successful at the MLBlevel. That is how professional baseball works. And it works that way for a reason. Look at the SWB stats for the last five years. Every year there is a Shelley Duncan, Jorge Vazquez, Chris Dickerson or Dan Johnson who puts up big numbers but couldn’t cut it in MLB.

And you are wrong about college hitters, especially seniors signed because they are cheap and save draft pool money for real prospects (like Roller). College guys are less raw and move faster. There is a reason the rules give them fewer years before they ecome Rule 5 eligible.

Jorge Steinbrenner

But his EYES.

sportzphan is just here to talk ball, kick back, and have fun……until you poke a hole in his WFAN-like argument as big as a truck. Then you’re just stopping him from having his fun. This doesn’t happen on the 25 other blogs he’s on, of course, as he’ll quickly let you know.

Chase Whitley Strieber

Listen, I agree with your criticisms of fans like this. Personally, I think ppl have been if anything too patient & understanding with this guy in particular, and genuinely have tried to impart some wisdom regarding prospect-watching.

That said, with all the sarcasm-laden & jaded, I-could-run-the-Yankees-better, know-it-all-types on here from Axisa on down (despite the fine job he does running RAB), I find sportzfan’s almost naive enthusiasm for every prospect refreshing.

And, in a way I can relate to his frame of mind. I started following Yankee prospects in the Paleozoic era of the late 80’s, when if u wanted complete minor league stats (not just triple crown stats) you had to wait every 2 wks for BA to hit the newsstand or get delivered to your door.

Back then any guy putting up good numbers got me as excited if not more so than sportzfan’s prospect enthusiasm. Even as the years went by and I learned some sabremetrics, bought Sickel’s yearly prospect handbook, etc., I still went overboard with some non-prospect or other more times than I care to admit.

I think what finally made me be as a rule very cautious with prospects was the time I saw Colter Bean pitch on a YES minor league broadcast about 8-9 yrs ago or whenever it was. He had put up awesome numbers at every level, and even though the scouting reports weren’t much, I figured the numbers backed him up too much to not be legit. Well, all you had to do was watch him pitch to a batter or two to know instantly that he was the fringiest of prospects.

So I would say to the sportzfans of the world, and to some extent to me & everybody else craving for some prospect(s) savior to get here yesterday, listen to some of the good advice given above and yet OTOH try to enjoy yourself with DOtF stuff the way sportzfan unabashedly does.

Is it just me or is it hard to get excited about a Yankee pitcher who is doing well in the low minors? I’m just waiting for something bad to happen to whoever is doing well.

RetroRob

You shouldn’t get too excited about any prospects — pitchers or position players — on any team in the low minors.

When I start seeing production at high A my interest rises If they continue to show it at AA, then I’m totally in.

I still follow the players in the lower minors, but I recognize a lot can go wrong and usually does.

nycsportzfan

Thats not true. 80pct of the players that are doing well in the ML’s that I followed, did well in the lower levels.

IRememberCelerinoSanchez

But most guys who do well at theower levels never make it to MLB. Look at the Charleston rosters from three, four, five years ago. Most guys haven’t/won’t make it.

Jorge Steinbrenner

As opposed to those guys who made it to the majors following shitty careers in the lower minors.

This may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard said in any setting by anyone.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

Me: I have a rock. It prevents me from being attacked by tigers.

You: that’s absurd.

Me: do you see any tigers around?

You: I’d like to buy that rock.

Jorge Steinbrenner

Exactly.

entonces

So I guess you ignored young Mariano when he put up a sub 1.00 ERA in the Gulf Coast League. And I guess you ignored Bernie Williams when he led the Sally League in hitting. No point in looking at the low minors, huh?

NYCsportz may be overly enthusiastic but I’ll take his enthusiasm over the wet blanket skeptics here.

And as for guys 26 never making it, Jim Leyritz didn’t even get past AA til he was 26.

Roller is not likely to succeed, agreed. But I will say right here that the Yanks now have at least 12-15 farmhands likely to have at least some big league success. Yeah, most minor leaguers fail. But the whole point of prospect-watching is to find those who won’t. Don’t lose your enthusiasm, NYC.

Jorge Steinbrenner

Jim Leyritz. Count: One, and Leyritz is pushing it, let me tell you.

I’ll spot you Uggla. Count: Two.

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Daniel java. Melvin Mora. Matt stairs. Shelley Duncan, Ruggiano.

They don’t become great players (though uggla and Mora certainly were very very good players) but it happens. It’s extremely rare.

But random org guy who comes up and mashes for 8weeks is not a rare occurrence. It’s pretty common. Inevitably that guy then had a disappointing second season and by the middle of his third is effectively finished.

But org guy lightening is certainly a real phenomenon. Less rare than Bigfoot more rare than animals fleeing earth quakes before they happen.

You guys are right to be skeptical on roller. But that doesn’t mean it never happens.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I can get behind what you’re saying, though. He could be a Shane Spencer/Kevin Maas type for sure. Positionally, he sort of creates an issue. He’d spell Beltran at DH, since I’m not taking AB’s away from Tex, but that only cements Soriano out there all the more.

If others would make the argument you’re making, they’d get a different reaction.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

Right. Yeah he could. Ridiculously unlikely and in fact so unlikely my rock that prevents tiger mauling is a better bet but Kevin maas and Spencer and Duncan do happen.

I just don’t see the fit.

Again, if Beltran and McCann don’t hit it’s all academic.

You can’t NOT play the guys who are your middle order bats and be saved by Shelley Duncan.

The only hope is that those two guys start hitting. And roller isn’t going to affect that in any way.

Jorge Steinbrenner

Which is why you get the “what the fuck do you want me to do” look from Joe during the post-game.

At the end, the guys we’ve needed to hit all along HAVE to hit.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

By the way my official job title is “troll translator”. It’s a gift.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I hope you’re compensated well for that.

Jorge Steinbrenner

The Chad Jennings principle: It don’t mean dick until they’re doing it in AA.

I like players succedding at any level, but we’re not sucking each other off until you’re doing it in AA.

Preston

It should be hard to get excited about any pitching prospect in the low minors (or really any level). TINSTAAPP.

rogue

The farm is the only good thing about this season.

I hope they don’t trade any good prospects to prop up this mediocre team, too.

Refsnyder too low. Reports are great and he’s raking in AAA. Also hard to put Slade ManBan in the top 10.

Paisa

I love what Slade brings to the table even of he is too often hurt to deliver the goods. I guess you could say the same about manny, although you have to give him some time and leeway post tj. Also, played with/against refsnyder forever, know him well, and let’s just say that what he is doing right now is totally crazy. But you have to give him credit and say a salute. I’m just a little skeptical.

Preston

I love Sladerunner, I have since the day we drafted him. But man it’s hard to like him that much when he’s spending an entire season out with another knee injury. Will the athleticism even be there when he gets back from this one? Banuelos is fine. There is huge upside there and he’s still young. Refsnyder’s the guy you bet against until suddenly he’s doing it at MLB too. Some guys maximize their talent.

Paisa

The thing about Slade though is that he is one of those guys who, if he doesn’t get to the bigs, has nothing. Literally nothing. It may be irrational, but for that reason I think he can come back strong and be a contributor. But you’re right in that it’s tough to believe in him because that’s about the only thing he has working for him these days

Cheval Anonyme

Sneb Rufryder went zero for three. So much for Mr. Hottie. Down the list he goes.

Paisa

Are you implying that I’m that reactionary? As good as he’s been the 6 guys in front of him on my list definitely have more pure talent and upside.

Cheval Anonyme

No, specifically not you. Everybody. Up until the last 327 ABs, he barely was in everybody’s top 20. There’s not a lot of new information to justify raising him up as fast as everyone seems to want to. #7– that’s not a bad a placement; but it seems almost everyone else thinks that’s way too low. I’m not saying he isn’t the best player in the organization; but as he goes on little hot and cold streaks, for those people who think he is near the top right now, his rating should be going up and down like a hooker on a $50 trick.

Plus, I love saying “Snub Sniffbynder” as many ways as I can. It’s one of those names that you can really mangle up and people will still know who you are talking about.

nycsportzfan

Good effort.. Mine is a mix of everything. UPside, how performing now, do I think they’ll improve..etc

1). Robert Refsnyder- Hard to not have him 1 right now. Hes WON WS MVP in college and continued to sparkle offensively right into TripleA , where he continues to do so. Actually hitting better at TripA then DoubA if you believe it or not..

2). Aaron Judge- Athletic, big, strong, and hes not a one trick pony. Not only can he hit for power, he can flat out hit. Hes also got speed for his size and a hose in the OF. Not to mention, hes done nothing but rake since being drafted.

3). Luis Severino- Boy this kid rised quickly. He just left his teen yrs 3months ago and is all ready in HighA Tampa. 182k’s in 186.2inn during career. He also dosen’t give up HR’s. This kids got Arodys Vizcaino stuff from a few yrs back..

4). JR Murphy- Mainly, I went with Murph because I was so surprised at how well he handled the bigs in his cup of coffee with the big club. He can hit to all fields, has some power, and potential to hit for Avg. Hes also ML ready and took alot of steps defensivley over the past couple yrs. I think hes ready to be good now..

5). Eric Jagielo- All ready physically passes the eye test and has tailor made swing for the Stadium and prjoects for plus power. Makes hard contact and isn’t a free swinger who will stick at 3rd.

6). Gary Sanchez- Power hitting catcher who was big catch for Yanks in 2009. A Bat first catcher whos offense is ahead of his defense but he dose have a hose for a arm. If he hits on his potential could be a solid 280 20 80 type player. Hes getting hot as we speak. Were just waiting for that bat to take the next step.

7). Ian Clarkin- Former 1st rder is having a really good 1st yr pitching in the system. I love that hes a lefty. Surprisingly he all ready had 3pitches coming outta HS. His heater is low 90’s ish, but tops out 94-95. Hes got a power curve and a change. His pitching form adds some disception making it hard to tell what hes throwing. This kids got number 2 in the rotation upside and is off to a solid start.

8). Gregory Bird- I love this kid as a prospect. PHysically all ready looks the part, and all ready has shown his power stroke , but is also just as adept at taking BB’s and has a great batting eye. If he stays healthy, I could see a starting caliber player with potential to contribute power and ability to get on base. Hes developed really well outside of a injury since coming outta Colorado HS.

9).Ty Hensley- More based on what he can become. This kids all ready 6ft 5in 220plus lbs and offers top notch power stuff. Has potential to be a inn eater middle rotation guy. Heres to hoping he can stay healthy.

10).Peter O’Brien/ Raph DePaula- A tie at 10th between these 2 who clearly have tools to succeed at the ML level but also a few holes that need refining. As far as O’Brien, his power is plus-plus.. Raph just needs to be a bit more consistent…

Just missed list- Jake Cave

nycsportzfan

I’m leaning toward DBJ as prospect to get back into the fold. Hes quietly having a solid yr. Driving in runs why holding a solid 366OBP.. Hrs aren’t as high as you would want, but 7 isn’t terrible. Also he can hit to all fields. The Avg sits around 280BA as well. If he can start next yr at Trenton, he’ll be at least in the mix again.

nycsportzfan

Abi Avelino also just misses. I’d have him somewhere between DePaula, O’Brien, and Cave.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I don’t think you unseat Sanchez up top yet. Refsnyder’s too low for someone who could be in the Bronx in a few weeks.

hornblower

Arod could not even run to first without pulling something. That’s what this team needs a another high 30 something with two bad hips.

Professorg

Where’s the air freshner?

I have had just about enough of Kevin Long…and I said the same thing last year…and the year before. Is the smelly offense totally his fault?
Of course not, but he sure as hell isn’t helping. Chile Davis of the A’s…now there’s a batting coach! By the way remember utility backup first baseman Steve Pierce who hit .160 for us in 2012 as a failed backup option for Tex. Well guess what? In 147 AB’s for the Orioles this year he’s hitting .327 with 9 homers and 25 rbi and a RISP average of .333. He plays 1st, left and right. Every time I think how we had a chance to get Nelson Cruz and instead we stayed with Soriano who tonight added a couple more K’s to his illustrious total. I was the biggest promoter of Solarte, but it appears that he isn’t going to come out of that slump and of course having Long as his coach isn’t going to help. Look I know we’re technically still in the hunt, but does anybody honestly think this team will make the post season? Even if CC returns,
he’s never going to be the old CC. McCann hasn’t found his stroke yet and it’s JULYYYYYY!!!!! Beltran is a year older and looks a lot older than that. Same with Ichiro and Soriano. Ellsbury is okay but not the Ellsbury we ordered and besides, he should be leading off anyway, but that’s another story. Is there one guy on this team who is actually close to hitting what we expect? Kevin Long has been scratchin his ass long enough. Other than Betances, Robertson and Warren, the pen is horrible. Nobody can get the damn ball over the plate. That’s because the guys who should be our long men in the pen are now starters.

I’m all for trades, but let’s not sell out the farm or be saddled with another bad contract just for the sake of this year. Whatever we do, we need to think about the effect on next year. We’ll have Jeter’s money, Soriano and Ichiro’s money and probably Kuroda’s to play with with a shot at getting Scherzer and JJ Hardy. If Pineda comes back, well…who knows, right? And of course ARod and Beltran can fight it out for DH. Yep friends, I’m throwin the towel in on this year and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Boss Juniors have done the same. After all, they can go back to their first love, boats and ponies.

Old Man Time

Even the Orioles are shocked by what they’re getting out of Pearce…especially after they released him earlier this season. Look at his transaction history. He’s bounced around the majors for 8 seasons and has a total of 3.1 bwar.

Old Man Time

Meant as a reply to Professorg above.

Wayne

Jordan Montgomery , Ian Clarkin, Chaz Hebert plus Daniel Camarena.
All four lefthanded starters are quite a core of starters.
Not to mention how will Nestor Cortes do this year. Three of those four starters could be used as trade bait meaning
Ian Clarkin, Chaz Hebert, and Daniel Camarena but the trade market sucks.
Everybody is in the race. David Price and Jeff Samardzija are not getting traded necessarily.
I hope yankees resist giving up any of these guys for Jason Hammel.
He is not putting you over the top if you are the yankees if Sabathia can’t comeback.
I would instead see if Sabathia can come back pitch well enough and have Shane Greene replace Chase Whitley if Whitley starts stinking, like the fast few games again. Then and only then do you trade for Jason Hammel if at all.
But if sabathia comes back weak then it is an absolute waste to trade for Jason Hammel.
Also what is scouting report on Chaz Hebert? I know he has a good delivery.
Does he at least throw in the low 90’s what are his set of pitches he uses? Does he have a good changeup?

Wayne

I would not give up Aaron Judge, Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams , Miguel Andujar, Dustin Fowler or Michael O’ neill for Jason Hammel no matter how well Sabathia does. Instead give up as far as position players any of the following for Jason Hammel : Gosuke Katoh, Jake Cave ,Greg Bird and Tyler Wade I would give up which fill up your first base , second base, shortstop and centerfield .
Not necessarily all of them you would give up depending on what starting pitching you gave up.

Yanks

Any of those guys for 2 months of Jason freaking Hammel would be awful. He’s a back end starter….

nycsportzfan

One reason i’m intrigued with bringing up Jose Pirela over anyone else is hes a right handed hitter who rakes off righties, yet holds his own against lefties 277BA..

dan

sell dont buy, this club is going no where

Robert

Yanks are done save the farm! Start the rebuilding now. Bring up the kids get rid of the old n done.DL the injured.
With all the international signings coming time to clear AAA team and promote to find out what we have.

ChuckIt

It worked in 2006,might as well try it again.

entonces

Well said, Robert

Wayne

I agree with you Robert about not trading prospects away but cashman won’t do that not with the pressure he is under
And both when they Have a 150 million dollar starting pitcher who is having a great year so far .
They most likely will give up alot for Jason Hammel and yankees will probably regret giving up who ever they give up for Jason Hammel .

Wayne

Yankees will Make a trade just to say we made a trade and act like it was for the better of the team when it really was not for the better of the team at all.
The yankee ownership can’t accept that there is no one available worth trading for necessarily even though
Jeff Samardzija and David Price may not be available. If they get David Price they will give up too much probably 10 prospects that are top notch and another 10 top notch prospects for Jeff Samardzija if not this year next year.
The yankees are going to empty up the farm for both of these guys.
The sad thing Yankee fans like us won’ t be able to do a thing about it.
All the other teams will enjoy winning world series with our top prospects .
Even worse David Price may jet out of here in two years.

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Basically for David price the Yankees don’t have a prospect too good to trade. The odds of any Yankee prospect having an entire career add valuable as a year and a half of price is low.

Shark in less sold on but for Price? Sanchez, Severino, Ramirez, Williams, Phelps wouldn’t be too much.

Scott

Wayne,
The Yanks won’t empty the farm for Price or Shark. They don’t have the major league ready prospects the Cubs and Rays want. You can all say Refsnyder is ML ready, but neither of those clubs needs a 2B. They will want pitchers to replace those guys, and they aren’t going to take Severino as the cornerstone of a trade, he is too low in the minors.
The Yanks will go after Hammel (and probably will not get him) because his asking price will be much less than Price or Shark. If they don’t get Hammel they will be in on McCarthy.
My biggest fear is they miss both of those guys and get Masterson.

Really, I think they should see what CC can do when he returns and get a big bat. They obviously need offense more than anything. When they lose 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3 in the past few games, yet in those three games have 1 or 2 hits with RISP and could have easily won all three, it is frustrating. The patchwork rotation and overworked BP are not the problem. The offense is offensive.

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Sanchez, Judge, severino, Phelps and mason williams would be a pretty significant haul for the rays. That’s a pretty good package. The rays have to take the best package they can get. Trading price isn’t optional for them. He’s gone and they are going nowhere and his value is as high as it will ever be again.

Every single day he is on the rays his value goes down.
That package would hurt but for a player o of his caliber it has to hurt.

If it’s a no brainer deal then it’s not enough.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I’d want an extension window with Price before committing. I also would try to remove Judge from that conversation as much as possible.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

And that’s probably not enough but the Yankees, for the first time in at least a decade, do in fact have the pieces to acquire a great player. We may not want to but a package of:

Judge, Sanchez, ref, severino, mason williams, phelps and Ramirez would be extremely hard for a team to turn down.

Hell switch Murphy out for Williams. How could a team responsibly turn that down?

Jorge Steinbrenner

Agreed.

It’d also take one hell of a special player for me to agree to that.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

Yeah I don’t think I’d do it. But there is the like dual fallacy on RAB.

it’s either “price for Pirella, Hensley and Jr Murphy!!!!!! Get it done cash!11!!!”

Or Yankees have literally NOTHING of any value. You’d have to pay OTHER TEAMS to take our rotting stinking pile of prospect sludge”

I’m pretty torn on that. This team is SHOCKINGLY unpleasant to watch because the offense literally causes stomach cramping.

But you can’t have too many David prices!

Tough call on whether I’d empty the farm for a pitcher.

If I would price is certainly one of the guys I’d do it for.

His injuries have been less terrifying than the other pitchers I’d have to empty the farm for.

Though Chase headley is sure looking like exhibit A in the argument against the idea that trading for all star bats is totally safe.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I have a call in to Ned Colleti right now. In the “how did this blog commenter get my number/is he authorized to propose trades/is his last name really Steinbrenner and why is he called ‘Fish Fingers’ then” confusion, he may trade us Kershaw for that package…..and I’m trading every one of those fuckers for him and his $800 million contract. NOT MAH MONEH.

Price would be the guy as well. I’m not sure 15 months of Price is the guy.

entonces

Another reason NOT to trade the farm for a rental. This team is bad enough to fall into bottom 10, meaning they can sign free agents next winter without losing top draft pick. Yanks will certainly need both pitching and offensive help next year. If they trade the farm to finish in the middle of the pack, losing picks will delay recovery for this franchise that much longer.

Jorge Steinbrenner

I’ve said many times I’m not entertaining a mega-Price deal unless there’s an extension window.

We aren’t getting Price. It is so much more likely he gets dealt out of the division, if not the AL altogether.

http://iamplinythewelder.blogspot.com bpdelia

I have a movement in starting,

It’s called the “stop the mission creep of the world rental” movement and it starts right here. Today. Brothers and sisters join me in this righteous cause.

A rental is when you pay for something strictly for immediate present value acknowledging that there is no long term benefit/equity accrual.

The new CBA makes this even easier to assess!

A player in his last contract year. Who you acquire with no guarantee of being able to sign and who will give a return of exactly bupkis when he signs elsewhere?
That’s a “rental”.

Acquiring a player who you use this season (I.e present value). And then have for ALL of next year (future value). And who cab then be traded next season or who returns draft pick compensation (equity accrual).

Not a rental. That’s a PURCHASE!

This purchase acquires less equity than a commodity signed long term and much less than a cost controlled commodity but he isn’t a rental.

In my day “rental”referred to the Doyle Alexander trade. To the Cleveland C.C Sabathia trade. To the mets Beltran trade.

Not to getting one and a half seasons of one of the best pitchers on the planet who, worst case scenario, returns draft compensation.

Also get off my lawn please.

ChuckIt

At least one team nicknamed the Yankees can get a hit when it counts.

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Was at the Trenton Thunder game last night. Banuelos just didn’t look comfortable, couldn’t throw strikes when he needed. The one out was a long hard hit fly ball that Williams ran down almost 400 ft. He was hitting 94 on the radar gun though. For all the people who were talking about O’Brien as our savior you have not seen him lately, he looks lost, bad swings, not getting the ball out of the infield. And really is Carmen Angelini the best we can do at short???? He’s now hitting .126 and is a true rally killer. Nice job by Jairo Heredia after giving up 2 hits replacing Manny he threw 4 scoreless innings. Henry Owens pitched for Portland and won his 11th game can see why the Sox like this lefty.