It seems pretty darn certain at this point that Russia meddled in the election

They for sure have but to what extent? Small funded facebook ads and fake news posts? CNN does that daily. I won’t even get into the Seth Rich debacle.

This whole thing is a joke. If Hillary would’ve won, we wouldn’t be hearing shit about Russia. Plus, the Trump administration has been tougher on Russia (policy wise) than Big O was. Maybe not word wise but action wise, absolutely.

Part of it, yes… I don’t know anyone who wants to go to war with Russia. Or China for that matter.

Yeah, I know. I don’t either! But that gang of Libertarians (Mises inspired) always seems so reflexively paranoid over war, that any mention of legitimate foreign wrong-doing gets met with a “yeah, but we did/do this or that, so let’s all chill out.”

Dude, the media waaaaaaaaaaay over-hypes this because of their hatred for Trump. In what world can you deny that? That is why we hear about Russia. You’re crazy if you think there would be this much hysteria over Russia with Hillary as president.
Do you also think all those ads we’re pro Trump? You’d be wrong.

Fair. They can be. I don’t think Rand is paranoid or anything but I agree with his takes. I just can’t tell you how many people on this very website stuck up for Obama on how he handled our enemies. I agree with their takes but their takes seemed to have change with the changing of the president. (See my first post today.)

, the media waaaaaaaaaaay over-hypes this because of their hatred for Trump. In what world can you deny that?

I don’t (and didn’t) deny that at all

norse84:

That is why we hear about Russia. You’re crazy if you think there would be this much hysteria over Russia with Hillary as president.

I don’t think there’d be much hysteria at all. I think with a pretty unanimous bipartisan agreement about Russia fucking with our election we’d acknowledge Russia did it, and do our best to not let it happen again.

The hysteria is driven by the nature of Trump looking like a goddamn bitch puppet

For all those non-Russian speakers, you guys (and gals) should follow Julia Davis who does daily roundups of Russia State TV propaganda and how they treat Trump with a counterintuitive disgust for his toadying while grudgingly giving credit for the work he’s been doing for Russia.

I don’t think there’d be much hysteria at all. I think with a pretty unanimous bipartisan agreement about Russia fucking with our election we’d acknowledge Russia did it, and do our best to not let it happen again.

The hysteria is driven by the nature of Trump looking like a goddamn bitch puppet

Trump meeting with Putin is like 9/11!!! That shit doesn’t help. But you’re right. There would be almost zero hysteria if Hillary was president. And like I said, Trump and his administrations policies have been harder on Russia than Obama’s we’re.

pfury:

ROFL who the fuck forgot? My family hasn’t stopped talking about it

Media. Anybody with some power. Sorry. Should’ve been more clear.I don’t think much of the general public gives a damn, though.

TBH, I’ll take a POTUS that insults enemy dictators over our own IC any day. I’m perfectly alright with that.

norse84:

Cop out.

It was a jab, not a cop out. I agree the GOVERNMENT has been harsher on Russia this term compared to Obama’s, not the administration.

norse84:

Hell yes. Did you think I was only blaming democrats and the liberal MSM or something?

I brought it up to demonstrate that if there is a guilty party (like the lock her up chants from the rallys), Trump and his GOP dominated govt are letting them off the hook. So option 1 is no crime was committed (or at the very least there’s no evidence of such), and option 2 is a crime was committed, and Trump/GOP is intentionally not going after them.

norse84:

Ya, only the people that read the emails seem to care. Sad.

What would you have the current govt do irt Podesta? Serious question.

Well, considering Trump is a self-proclaimed ‘tough guy’, it’s just kind of weird that he ignores Kosovo, the shooting down of a civilian airliner, the annexation of a country, the poisoning of people on British soil, and the election interference. He doesn’t have to insult him, but he also doesn’t have to insult his own country and his own intelligence agencies. It’s not about name calling anymore, or ‘never Trump’/‘not my president’ bullshit, it’s about recognizing what a press conference looks like when an asset is standing next to his handler. If you think Trump, the shadiest businessman ever, doesn’t have any dark secrets, and that there’s NO way Putin could know them, you’re kind of turning a blind eye at this point. It’s the only reason you’d be bringing up anything about Obama/Hillary - whataboutism is the savior of Trump defenders.

Also, Obama at least expelled Russian diplomats from the country, which angered Putin. Trump has done LITERALLY NOTHING except advance every single interest that Putin has. He has failed to condemn him for ANYTHING, tried to prevent sanctions on Russia, even attempted to negotiate Russia being readmitted to G-7. During this time, Russian state TV has repeatedly insulted and belittled Trump. You’re telling me the man who can’t let a nerdy kid in his grandma’s basement with a Twitter account let off an insult without responding is just ignoring an entire country?

TBH, I’ll take a POTUS that insults enemy dictators over our own IC any day. I’m perfectly alright with that.

Right next to them? D’oh k. I think it’s time for another cold war, too.

pfury:

It was a jab, not a cop out. I agree the GOVERNMENT has been harsher on Russia this term compared to Obama’s, not the administration.

So Trump hired the right people or are you going to tell me Trump had nothing to do with it?

pfury:

I brought it up to demonstrate that if there is a guilty party (like the lock her up chants from the rallys), Trump and his GOP dominated govt are letting them off the hook. So option 1 is no crime was committed (or at the very least there’s no evidence of such), and option 2 is a crime was committed, and Trump/GOP is intentionally not going after them.

Oh, I know… A crime was committed with Hillary’s handling of the emails alone. Big dogs play by different rules than us little guys, though.

French President Emmanuel Macron accused Russian state-sponsored media of employing "lying propaganda" to try and smear his electoral campaign in an angry outburst as he stood alongside Vladimir Putin at Versailles.