You really need to loose your mind to notice this but, try. Look at the southeast border of the graphic for the state and tell me it dont look like a side profile of Alex Reiger from Taxi.
I hate to be negative but not sold on the logo Dick.
stank

How about an Indian wearing an orange helmet dunking a buckeye into the "v" in cleveland with a net like the old cavs uniforms. If you did not use the wahoo, etc. I think you could get away with it.
Browns backers use the Browns helmet in there logo.
stank
Maybe the "wahoo" could be a wearing a number 23 basketball tank.

Look at the southeast border of the graphic for the state and tell me it dont look like a side profile of Alex Reiger from Taxi.

Doc, that is some sick shit. The logos for some reason don't show up on my work PC, so I have been thinking about what you could be seeing for the last couple hours until I got home. No idea how you can pick up on that! He is Swerbs all time hero and I think he had that drawn in like that.

Why not just use both logos together? Put the one with the foam finger in it as the text as the bottom of the state logo. Then, you always have the luxury of using two logos later on....the main one, or a short one with just the web address with the foam finger.

Overall, I don't mind the latest one you posted with the lettering and the colors. I like the clean look of the logo, but feel it's just missing something small...like a drop shadow or some sort of overlay to make it look a little more slick. I don't know...that's just me.

I like the "Exploding Ohio" logo, though I'd suggest a black line outlining the visible are of the state, differentiating it from the #D shading along the Ohio River area. We know it's Ohio, but the balck outline would clearly let people know that the state is raised. I do this because some friends I showed it to asked what the red blob was. Once I explained they understood. It doesn't have to be a thick black line, just something to clearly show what the 2D overlay is.

I also like the foam finger and think using both would be cool, though I'd suggest not using the foam finger to represent the D in Cleveland. Again, I think it's best to make sure the lowest common denominator gets it. I'd keep the foam finger but put the D in there, sticking the finger between the D and the F (sounds like instructions on how to give a prostate exam, I know).

Is there a skline pic that shows the Q, Jake, and CBS all in one shot? If so, you could use that and have the ball exploding out of the stadiums.

No, CBS is too far removed. I checked into that.

I'll tell ya what, I love that bottom picture of Cleveland. Only problem with making it part of the logo is, we're working that into a new front page banner along with the quarter of Sizemore, Tressel, Kosar, LeBron.

That's my thought as well regarding the skyline....although, Cleveland fans typically know the skyline. Be careful though, I believe sportstalkcleveland.com uses a skyline for their logo.

Also, as an aside comment....we have current faces of Sizemore, Tressel and Lebron as the faces of their teams (and deservedly so)......yet for the Browns we have someone from the late 80s fame. Anyone else find that sort of comical and a good representation of how bad the Browns have been? They have NO ICON.

Also, as an aside comment....we have current faces of Sizemore, Tressel and Lebron as the faces of their teams (and deservedly so)......yet for the Browns we have someone from the late 80s fame. Anyone else find that sort of comical and a good representation of how bad the Browns have been? They have NO ICON.

I think the closest the Browns have right now is KW2 or Wimbley. I'd consider using Winslow to represent the Browns as he comes to play everyday and is current.

Well, "Andre" was cut a few years ago.....but since you probably meant Andra Davis, no way. He might be the most over-rated LBer in Browns history.

I agree with Winslow as the face....possibly Wimbley or Sean Jones could be if they have great campaigns next year. Rich, any thought of adding Winslow, Jones or Wimbley as the "Face" instead of Kosar? I've actually gotten some feedback on that how Kosar is used.....

Dick -
Who doesn't love Kosar ? Yet, all the other people in the logo are current figures and so should the Browns player.

Still a huge Winslow fan and I understand the backlash you may get from using him. So why not Wimbley ? He's a up and coming stud. The guy had 10 sacks in his rookie season. Jump on that band wagon now.

I don't know. I think the fact we still use Kosar makes a statement about the quality of the product since The Betrayal.

And prior to the Betrayal. Kosar's hasn't been a Brown for about 13 years. I doubt any 18-20 year old fans coming by the site would feel much about Bernie. He wasn't exactly coming off fantastic seasons at that point. Eric Metcalf was in Cleveland more recently than Kosar.

Even from the strong period in the 1980s, there are not a lot of guys that people identify with anymore. Bernie sticks out somewhat but why not Slaughter, Langhorne, Newsome, Minnifield, Perry?

I understand that there's not a lot that has been good since The Return, but there's no sense living in the past. If you want to live in the past then use Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Lou Groza, or Leroy Kelly instead of Bernie. At least those guys won some titles.

I respestfully disagree Mac. I would argue strongly that Bernie the most identifiable player from the past for the majority of site visitors, and he's currently slaughtering Winslow in the front page poll asking who should adorn the banner.

We have some visitors too young to remember Kosar, and some old enough to scoff at using him over Otto Graham or Jim Brown. But for the majority of visitors, the run in the mid to late eighties is what they remember most fondly from this team, and Bernie was clearly the face of those teams.

I respestfully disagree Mac. I would argue strongly that Bernie the most identifiable player from the past for the majority of site visitors, and he's currently slaughtering Winslow in the front page poll asking who should adorn the banner.

I concur. If we use Jim Brown, then we might as well use Bob Feller. As far as using KWII, what has he really done for this team? No one on a team that is the current laughing stock of its league should be used in the banner unless you are trying to make a sarcastic tongue in cheek statement about the state of Cleveland sports.

Bernie is the most identifiable star of the most recent era of a contending Browns team.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

It just looks sad to me. So many current Cleveland players vs. one who hasn't been with the Browns in over a decade. I'd personally prefer nobody up there and an empty uniform, but that's me.

I'd be interested in having Sean Jones, Bernie, KW2, and Wimbley on the poll and seeing if Bernie still holds up. He probably would, but Cleveland fans are often nostalgic. Prior to LeBron we probably would have stuck Mark Price on the banner. The Tribe has had a good stream of talent since the early 90s so that's harder to pick out.

I just find it sad and figure if people pine for the old days then they might as well pine for the Browns that actually won titles.

I like Bernie and all. I've met him a few times and he was one of my idols growing up, but it just seems like using him nowadays is crazy. It's sad that we identify with him more than any current Browns players.

It's sad that we identify with him more than any current Browns players.

Let's be realistic, the current Browns simply do not have any identity.

As far as using KWII, what has he really done for this team? No one on a team that is the current laughing stock of its league should be used in the banner unless you are trying to make a sarcastic tongue in cheek statement about the state of Cleveland sports.

Well, if you are not going to change the front banner, may I suggest the actual Browns sub-page?

Right now, the 3 guys high-lighted on the page with pics are Frye, Droughns and Andra. I'd seriously consider removing Frye and putting in Winslow....taking out Droughns and putting in Sean Jones.....and then it is up to you whether you keep Andra, or put in Wimbley.

In my opinion, I would put K2 on the front page banner. Yes, Bernie is worthy of being their, let's not look back. Let's move forward and look to the winning ways(wether or not it happens is another story) Let's look forward to what COULD be.

Also, as an aside comment....we have current faces of Sizemore, Tressel and Lebron as the faces of their teams (and deservedly so)......yet for the Browns we have someone from the late 80s fame. Anyone else find that sort of comical and a good representation of how bad the Browns have been? They have NO ICON.