I never said ret was not fine... I meant I got ditched for a warrior. I guess I can't complain, because during whole cata I couldn't get into even one rbg because people thought of ret as a bad option. About ret damage, I like it a lot, before I got ditched for a warrior I was solo capping stuff while warriors, hunters, fire mages, etc would get owned by the damage I can put out.

I never said ret was not fine... I meant I got ditched for a warrior. I guess I can't complain, because during whole cata I couldn't get into even one rbg because people thought of ret as a bad option. About ret damage, I like it a lot, before I got ditched for a warrior I was solo capping stuff while warriors, hunters, fire mages, etc would get owned by the damage I can put out.

So you created this thread not to complain about Rets performance in rbgs but to complain that you personally were removed from a group without ample reason in one specific instance?

So you created this thread not to complain about Rets performance in rbgs but to complain that you personally were removed from a group without ample reason in one specific instance?

The stigma from Cata is still there, ret is half decent. But if you join a guild they will make you respec to holy, no matter how skilled you are at playing ret or how hard you worked to get some half decent gear at start of expansion. So yeah, coming back to the point, i agree with the OP.

One persons opinion with no link means very little, Maybe you are maybe you aren't no proof so imo your 1 person and out of all the people I know running 2500+ RBG's atm there are not any Rets. I'm not talking about Rank 1 Players getting in because they are rank 1 i'm talking about a solid team that is capable of the 2400 range. They are most definitely not covered in Rets.

They are however covered in Mages, Boomkins, SPriests and Warlocks so it's all about caster cleave again at least for now.

The Stigma has been with Ret since TBC and the spec will never lose that Stigma.

One persons opinion with no link means very little, Maybe you are maybe you aren't no proof so imo your 1 person and out of all the people I know running 2500+ RBG's atm there are not any Rets. I'm not talking about Rank 1 Players getting in because they are rank 1 i'm talking about a solid team that is capable of the 2400 range. They are most definitely not covered in Rets.

They are however covered in Mages, Boomkins, SPriests and Warlocks so it's all about caster cleave again at least for now.

The Stigma has been with Ret since TBC and the spec will never lose that Stigma.

To be fair it's very likely that he is, I would also bet his arena rating in the past is higher. That's the issue - It's extremely hard for rets to even get a chance to prove themselves. I mean unless they make HoW hit for like 150k + so people are like WTF OMG OP. It's going to be hard to get into an rbg group without knowing the leader or majority of players.

To be fair it's very likely that he is, I would also bet his arena rating in the past is higher. That's the issue - It's extremely hard for rets to even get a chance to prove themselves. I mean unless they make HoW hit for like 150k + so people are like WTF OMG OP. It's going to be hard to get into an rbg group without knowing the leader or majority of players.

Maybe he is or isn't I agree it's not the question and he backs it with no proof so imo his post has no validity. I've been 2500+ in 3's multiple seasons and I struggle to get into RBG's as Ret if he provided a link he would be offering proof. That being said it will be far easier to get into an RBG as a caster than a melee let alone a Ret.