Tuesday, 16 September 2014

SCOTLAND - 5 YEARS TO EU MEMBERSHIP: OFFICIAL

Well, don't say I didn't tell you; I wrote in a response yesterday that

Scotland's early membership of the EU? Sorry, it just ain't going to
happen. The accession of a new member requires the UNANIMOUS consent of
all 28 members - and Spain will never, never consent because the
precedent will be set for Catalunya. Even without Spain, the UK could
block it unless Scotland takes its full share of the national debt plus
say a 20 year lease of Faslane ... but as I say, it just ain't going to
happen.

"It is crystal clear that any partner member-state
that leaves the member state is out of the European Union. If they want to
apply again, they would have to follow the procedure of article 49 of the
treaties." He continued there were “more ifs than a poem by Kipling” about whether and on what
terms Scotland would gain entry, emphasising this must be unanimously agreed
by the member states and “it is a process that takes more or less five
years"

It was also clear that Scotland would lose all of the UK's opt-outs and would have to use the Euro.

I'm afraid 'yes' voters who believe that anything different will happen are just deluding themselves.

20 comments:

Try Kipling's "The Rupaiyat of Omar Kal'vin" on tax, spending and the rupee. It is about Auckland Colvin (Wiki) Treasurer of India and son of John Russell Colvin (Wiki). All very Empire and very Scottish.

Even if the Scots vote 'yes' my guess is that we'll still end up with a Labour Government here in the r-UK such is the effect of the rotten borough system that we seem to be saddled with. Therefore no EU Referendum. We may as well use whatever leverage the ongoing EU membership affords us to mitigate the disaster of separation. However I doubt that Milliband & Co will have the wit or guts to wield it - spineless wankers that they are. Not that we would be much better off with the Tories looking at their performance in relation to the commissioning of the Referendum in the first place - allowing the disenfranchisement of non resident Scots FFS! As far as I can see the whole thing is a heads we all lose tails we all lose on whichever side of the border you live.

From that article:The Spanish Prime Minister has also said Scotland would start life outside the EU, ....Which means an English Land-Border with a truly foreign, non-EU country.Barbed wire, frontier posts, exchange controls, passport scrutinisation, the works.Hope this shocks a couple of percent of voters to join the "NO" camp ...Meanwhile, I note that an SNP spokesman uttered a few more platitudinous lies....

The idea that the would EU risk war to gobble up Ukraine, and then expel Scotland, seems laughable.

Article 50 insists on a 2 year cooling off period before EU membership can be broken.

We are all officially EU citizens, will the Scots be stripped of that against their will?

Above all else, the EU favours the status quo, which it mistakes for stability.Today, the Status Quo is the UK, and that is what the EU supports.Come Saturday, the Status Quo may be the United Kingdom, or it may be the United Kingdoms of Windsor and The Free Kingdom of Scotland, and the EU will support that.

1. If the EU is willing to risk world war to annex the Ukraine, it will not hesitate to bend rules to admit Scotland. European judges can dress as Pierrots for all I care, I can't take their victor-invented, parvenu puisne laws and constitutions seriously.

2. How does the majority-vote change due in October bear on the ability of countries to blackball applicants for EU membership?

3. Scotland outside the EU for five years and that is a bad thing? It is a heartfelt desire of mine for the UK as a whole. Are you merely jealous?

I can see why the Spanish guy would say that, they are terrified of the Catalonians following suit (though in Catalonia, I think, 85% favour independence, so it's not really a parallel).

But the EU doesn't work that way.

The Treaties mean whatever "the colleagues" decide they want them to mean.

Remember that Scotland as a new member region (look at their map) advances their agenda - the cantonisation of England won't be far behind in their ambitions - so they will find a way to make it happen. All difficulties will be smoothed over, and my guess is that an "independent" Scotland will slide neatly into the EU the very day it separates from England.

There will, to be sure, be much huffing and puffing, but in real life the chaos and dislocation that would be caused even by one small insignificant region suddenly having no trading agreements with Europe, or any right to the free movement provisions etc etc, is just not going to happen. Salmond will become, as he seems to wish, a small impoverished area on the fringes of the great Brussels empire, constantly whinging on about one thing or another, and usually being ignored.

But so what? as we have seen the yes campaign is not about facts it is about alex salmond's dream to be remembered as "great".

The fact that if he wins, ordinary scots will suffer for years and possibly for ever under a fairly extreme form of social democratic fascism, controlled by brussels (ffs) has not entered his calculations.

As every true demagogue down the ages he has seduced a generation of young lads (and lasses in his case) to some harebrained cause and to hell with them once he has got what he wanted.

An idea - can we not send him ff to brussels as a commissioner for bottom wiping or something?

Send that vile, authoritarian, lying cunt to Brussels? Are you mad? The Europeans just dislike England; he positively hates you all. Imagine what fun he would have making laws beyond democratic reach. He'd probably ban cricket on environmental grounds.

The day after the UK hands sovereignty to the newly independent Scotland, is the day that Scotland will join the EU. The EU has already bent its own rules to save the euro; it will do the same to "keep" Scotland in the EU.

Spain can bleat all it likes but the EU wants the regionalisation of Europe. The price the Scots will have to pay is to join the euro. The result? - England surrounded and weakened, as required (by the EU).

It ought not happen; it's not fair. But it will. Cameron, Milliband and Clegg not only play by the rules (as our culture dictates) but are weak and incompetent. The EU plays power and ignores the rules. Until we get patriots running our establishment we will get stomped on.