Topic: Minors serving!?

In Japan minors can work at liquor stores even though they can't drink themselves.

Hell! they sell alcohol in vending machines here, no fooling. And most beer here is 5%.

I'm not talking about eating establishments, I mean full-on liquor stores. It has always seemed odd to me that in the US you can vote for the leader of the free world, you can go to war and kill and or die for your country, but you can't have a drink? My moral position has been somewhat loosened over the ten years that I have lived away from the US but I am wondering how others feel about this.

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Hah, yeah, I know all about the vending machines. Theres a pretty funny blog of a guy who lives in Kyoto and used to teach middle school kids English. If you're interisted I'll give you a link.

I'm frusterated beyond belief right now to tell the truth. I will (technically) be 21 on March 1st (not my real birthday, but I don't have one this year so....), so it drives me nuts I'm just not there yet. ESPECIALLY since Wheel of Fortune is doing show try outs the week before! I'm lame I know, but I really like that show a lot. And I'm pretty good to boot. The only one probably better then my in my family is my dad. Yet I have to wait at least another year before I can even try out!

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I'm all in for bashing the drinking age, not like most high school kids from 15 -18 don't do it anyway, so what's the point really? It's really not doing much to stop it, what with all the gandi-marts you can just hit up, it just means kids have to get out or go to a party, when maybe all they wanted to do was knock a few back with their friends at home. In some ways the laws just make it more dangerous, getting people out of the house where drunk driving can become a problem, making it seem more cool and risky and thusly much more appealing, or maybe even making kids get fake ID's and getting floored in a liquor store robbery like McLovin, you just can't know anymore.

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Drinking should just be banned entirely, actually. It destroys families, lives, and people. If everything around you is so awful that you have to drink, then maybe you have to reconsider your life. It turns people into something else. It makes them do horrible things, things they would never even consider doing otherwise. What if an emergency happens while you're drunk? And you stand there and laugh at it cause it's funny, when if you were normal you'd never even have had the emergency. What about holidays? Especially if you have kids. What kind of message does that send them that daddy has to drink to make it through spending a day with them, a day where you're supposed to be with your family and have good clean fun with them? What about the taste factor? I've never tasted beer itself, the smell starts me gagging before I get that close. So how do you get started drinking it then? Plug your nose till your taste buds die? Wine's even worse! I've actually thrown up before just from the smell. I had a tiny sip before (holding my nose), and it wasn't there a millisecond before I spat it up all over the place, the reaction was so immediate. People claim it's fun, or that it enhances fun things. What about good fun? Clean fun? The kind of fun you get from, say, sitting down and reading a good book? Or playing a video game? Or hanging out with friends? Must it involve making yourselves into lesser, more inhuman versions of yourselves? Me and my sister used to hang out all the time. It involved pizza, ice cream, music, games, and movies. We had so much fun, we were laughing and having the best time of our lives. All without drinking. It's really not hard to have fun without it. Oh, and then there's the health thing. What happens when your liver finally says, "**** you." and dies? Besides, what of the money wasted on it? 15.99 for a pack? Do you know what 16 dollars can get you? It can get you two, maybe three days, worth of meals. It could by you some action figures or other toys. It could get you a new keyboard for your computer. It could get you some sort of improvement for your house. Or you could save it and at the end of the year when you look at all the money you might have spent on alcohol you'll be surprised by how much money you have. Also I've heard it makes you depressed. Does anyone really need to be any more depressed? Do we really need any more suicides? What about drunk drivers? What about all the innocent people who have died because someone just had to go and drink. What about people who get drunk and wake up next to someone they don't know and don't remember? How is that good in any way? What about if you don't remember where you live and end up two towns over? What about the addictive factor? Cause it IS addictive. And I just feel sorry for those who are easily addicted to things who think they might want to have a drink. Or two. ...or maybe three. One more. Just one more. ...ok, I'll stop. No, just one more. ... What about the wife and/or kid/s that get beaten whenever he drinks? And people with kids who drink I don't even look at as being humans anymore, they're complete monsters, not only destroying themselves and their lives, but destroying their kids lives too. They don't deserve kids. Beautiful, pure, innocent, helpless, little children. It's like taking an angel and tainting it with the darkness of hell. Who knows, that poor little kid will probably, after a lifetime of seeing mommy and daddy doing it, will fall into that darkness completely. Especially if they see their friends doing it and their friends pressure them into doing it.

The age limit is there for a reason. On drinking, it should be a lot higher. On other things, I don't care so much. I mean, I understand the other things, because when I was 18 I was a complete idiot. Looking back on it, let's say there's something you can do at 21 that I wanted to do at 18. Now that I'm 22 I can go, "Wow, thank God that limit was there I would have done something that would have made everything awful." Not that there was, but I can see it from that perspective. It's to stop the stupid people from, well, doing something stupid. I don't think they should work at an actual liquor store, but I know that here at least you have to be 18 to sell it.

And I know there'll be some people who respond back to me and try to start an argument or discussion, but don't bother because I'm not coming back into this thread just to avoid that kind of thing. I can make great opening statements, but once I get into a discussion I'm hopeless. I can't keep anything straight inside my head and I word everything wrong. So, this is all I have to say and I'm out.

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Hmm, I disagree entirely.

People underestimate the youth of society, thinking if they can drink they'll just all get plastered and get themselves and their friends killed. There are some like that, true, but I write that off as natural selection. If you've got good friends to have a good time with, then the chances of anything detrimental happening are very slim. One of my boys drove down the block once after having a couple drinks, and I beat the hell out of him. It's friendly moral support like that that keeps you safe.

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Actually they did try to ban drinking,remember learning about Prohibition in history? Do we remember the outcome? I don't think it is the government's place to band something like that at all. Its the MISUSE of alcohol that is the problem. It is getting DRUNK, not the enjoyment of a cider or glass of wine with dinner with friends. Its the MOTIVES behind drinking. Some do drink to hide and run from their problems, no question that's not the right thing to do. Yes OVER drinking causes all sorts of harm to families, relationships and health. Its a choice. You don't have to like the taste of beer. Don't have to drink if you don't want to. I don't know where you buy your beer Miba, but 16 is WAY more than most 6 packs sell for around here. Red Wine is considered very healthy, in MODERATION. Drunk Driving IS UNFORGIVABLE. Driving drunk is wrong, very wrong. But taking away the legal right to drink will not necessarily make the roads safer. There will still be bad drivers that do foolish things as the drive. People will still drive when they are too tired to drive. Old people will still refuse to give up driving even though they shouldn't be on the road. Many things are addicting. It depends on the person honestly. I think that you are equating with drinking as the same as being and getting drunk.

I'm not trying to argue or anything, but I feel like i must provide a counter point to what you have said. I'm not trying to change your mind on anything, as it is your right to have those opinions.

I feel that the issues that the United States has with drinking stems a lot from the fact that we as a nation are not open about drinking. It is seen as taboo, a vice. When it can be enjoyed in moderation as another flavor and enjoyment in life. If we taught our children responsibility and respect for drinking, it would greatly cut back on drinking related problems. As it is now, we encourage bad drinking habits, because people will want what they can't have. That is why there are thieves in the world too.

I admit that I've always had issues with age limits in general. Age is NO standard for maturity and ability. I've been drinking since I was 17 or so. But I had my first drink years before that. I don't drink to get drunk. I drink because I like the taste, and wont drink something just because if its got alcohol in it but tastes bad to me. I personally like the taste of most beers, especially with some foods. Same goes for wine and other drinks. I DO NOT drive if i've had more than a drink or two. I also refuse to drive if I have taken some of my stronger pain killers as I don't trust it to be safe for me and others on the road. Who determined that 21 was the right age to drink? Who decied that 18 you can choose members of the government. Who decied age of concent? It should all be based on the individual's maturity level. (if only this was something that they could enforce.) I know horrifically immature and irresponsible THIRTY year olds. Age means NOTHING there.

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I think the drinking age should maybe be lowerd to 16, but not entirely abolished, it would be weird to see 8 year olds buying booze.

I hate hearing dumb grade niners always bragging about how they get "super smashed", do some thing stupid and how they lipped off the cops. If there wasn't an age limit there would be an utter dumb *** epidemic. I just dont think 14 and under, Are quite matured enough for booze they're at that stage in there life where they think people will think that they are cool if they do stupid things. (No offence to any 14 yr olds on here, once you're a senior in highschool you might understand)

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Well I also think it should be lowered to 18 cuz of the whole going to war and voting rights. Its going to happen anyways. For example: Today is my birthday, so, last night me and my buddies got 'super smashed' and went to a club. I am now 19 and very hung over. Totally worth it tho.

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Miba wrote:

Drinking should just be banned entirely, actually. It destroys families, lives, and people. If everything around you is so awful that you have to drink, then maybe you have to reconsider your life. It turns people into something else. It makes them do horrible things, things they would never even consider doing otherwise. What if an emergency happens while you're drunk? And you stand there and laugh at it cause it's funny, when if you were normal you'd never even have had the emergency. What about holidays? Especially if you have kids. What kind of message does that send them that daddy has to drink to make it through spending a day with them, a day where you're supposed to be with your family and have good clean fun with them? What about the taste factor? I've never tasted beer itself, the smell starts me gagging before I get that close. So how do you get started drinking it then? Plug your nose till your taste buds die? Wine's even worse! I've actually thrown up before just from the smell. I had a tiny sip before (holding my nose), and it wasn't there a millisecond before I spat it up all over the place, the reaction was so immediate. People claim it's fun, or that it enhances fun things. What about good fun? Clean fun? The kind of fun you get from, say, sitting down and reading a good book? Or playing a video game? Or hanging out with friends? Must it involve making yourselves into lesser, more inhuman versions of yourselves? Me and my sister used to hang out all the time. It involved pizza, ice cream, music, games, and movies. We had so much fun, we were laughing and having the best time of our lives. All without drinking. It's really not hard to have fun without it. Oh, and then there's the health thing. What happens when your liver finally says, "**** you." and dies? Besides, what of the money wasted on it? 15.99 for a pack? Do you know what 16 dollars can get you? It can get you two, maybe three days, worth of meals. It could by you some action figures or other toys. It could get you a new keyboard for your computer. It could get you some sort of improvement for your house. Or you could save it and at the end of the year when you look at all the money you might have spent on alcohol you'll be surprised by how much money you have. Also I've heard it makes you depressed. Does anyone really need to be any more depressed? Do we really need any more suicides? What about drunk drivers? What about all the innocent people who have died because someone just had to go and drink. What about people who get drunk and wake up next to someone they don't know and don't remember? How is that good in any way? What about if you don't remember where you live and end up two towns over? What about the addictive factor? Cause it IS addictive. And I just feel sorry for those who are easily addicted to things who think they might want to have a drink. Or two. ...or maybe three. One more. Just one more. ...ok, I'll stop. No, just one more. ... What about the wife and/or kid/s that get beaten whenever he drinks? And people with kids who drink I don't even look at as being humans anymore, they're complete monsters, not only destroying themselves and their lives, but destroying their kids lives too. They don't deserve kids. Beautiful, pure, innocent, helpless, little children. It's like taking an angel and tainting it with the darkness of hell. Who knows, that poor little kid will probably, after a lifetime of seeing mommy and daddy doing it, will fall into that darkness completely. Especially if they see their friends doing it and their friends pressure them into doing it.

The age limit is there for a reason. On drinking, it should be a lot higher. On other things, I don't care so much. I mean, I understand the other things, because when I was 18 I was a complete idiot. Looking back on it, let's say there's something you can do at 21 that I wanted to do at 18. Now that I'm 22 I can go, "Wow, thank God that limit was there I would have done something that would have made everything awful." Not that there was, but I can see it from that perspective. It's to stop the stupid people from, well, doing something stupid. I don't think they should work at an actual liquor store, but I know that here at least you have to be 18 to sell it.

And I know there'll be some people who respond back to me and try to start an argument or discussion, but don't bother because I'm not coming back into this thread just to avoid that kind of thing. I can make great opening statements, but once I get into a discussion I'm hopeless. I can't keep anything straight inside my head and I word everything wrong. So, this is all I have to say and I'm out.

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Although I appreciate many of Miba's sentiments and do agree that alcohol can cause a lot of problems in life...I would also say that the way it functions in a society is largely culturally determined. By US standards well over half of the Japanese population would be considered clinically alcoholic. Alcohol is part of the culture here. I believe our European friends would agree that we make too much out of the issue in the states.

Another significant factor is our modes of transportation. Here in Japan, as in many places in Europe most people use some form of public transportation. This limits greatly the chances for accidents related to alcohol.

The last thing I would say is that, like war, sex, hate, sunrises, love and all the rest, alcohol has been part of human history for a long, long time. They drink a lot of alcohol in the Bible, read it, really, really read it before you jump on me about that statement. People didn't have supermarkets and convenience stores in 300 b.c. and many people even made their own. Drinking wine and beer was normal. So again, as with other topics I am trying to take the middle road here. I don't see it as a bad thing or a good thing. It's just something that humans do and sometimes it gets ugly. But I bet there are just as many stupid things that were done while NOT under the influence of alcohol there were done while drunk. I do them all the time.

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Sure, alcohol is bad for your health and addicting when you have too much of it. So is soda. And chocolate. And meat. And vegetables. See where I'm going with this? ALL of those things are bad for you if you have too much. Too much meat and not enough vegetables can make you sick and vice versa if it happens for too long. Eat a lot of candy and drink a ton of soda and you'll get fat. Yet everyday we have people who eat candy and drink sodas, and people who order steak, hold the vegetables, and people who have just a salad. And people who drink some alcohol. If we control ourselves, and not have a ton of soda and candy every day, order some veggies with that steak, and a bit of meat with that salad, and only one or two beers instead of ten, and it's Ok.

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CeciliaCrimsondragonFett wrote:

Sure, alcohol is bad for your health and addicting when you have too much of it. So is soda. And chocolate. And meat. And vegetables. See where I'm going with this? ALL of those things are bad for you if you have too much. Too much meat and not enough vegetables can make you sick and vice versa if it happens for too long. Eat a lot of candy and drink a ton of soda and you'll get fat. Yet everyday we have people who eat candy and drink sodas, and people who order steak, hold the vegetables, and people who have just a salad. And people who drink some alcohol. If we control ourselves, and not have a ton of soda and candy every day, order some veggies with that steak, and a bit of meat with that salad, and only one or two beers instead of ten, and it's Ok.

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Which is something the Bible agrees on. It never condemns drinking, just not getting drunk. As you brought it up, I wanted to clarify that--it says several times drinking is bad, in moderation and as long as it won't be detrimental to someone else, ie, a person who had a drinking problem. Don't drink around them.

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Ah the infamous panty vending machines. Supposibly they were pulled from vending machine circulation in the early 90's, but if that was the case, then you wouldn't hear reports of them from most tourists who find them...never mind INSTRUCTIONS to actually find them to see for yourself.

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There are shops in the Akihabara district that sell complete uniforms for all sizes! From time-to-time you will see young males walking around in Sailor Moon getups on the streets of Akihabara. I think of all the places in Tokyo I like the least Akihabara tops the list. There are some mutants there, and I don't mean the cool X-Men type.

And bringing it back to topic...no place here checks I.D.s so it is really easy for minors to buy alcohol at convenience stores which sell it 24/7 or at bars and eating establishments. When I came here back in college for a visit I thought it was heaven.

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"They say that the grass is greener...." but man I wish I was back home. I have lived here long enough. This is a great place to visit and even live for a year or two but it's almost ten years for me now. I want some f...ing Taco Bell!