Worldie wrote:I'm just getting at that frustrating point where i literally faceroll T2 (even killing some elites in 10ish seconds) but I don't have enough damage for T3. Torment scaling is a little too brutal ._.

I got a Gyrfalcon's Foote (Blessed Shield now has Zero cost) and a Jekangbord (Blessed Shield now ricochets to 4-6 additional targets) on my Crusader, went from T2 to T4 from those two items alone with a rather mediocre sheet DPS of 660,000. Toss in Ring of Royal Grandeur and getting bonuses from Aughild's Authority 97% ranged and melee damage reduction, 15% damage increase to elites and 15% elite damage reduction, and 4 piece Blackthorne's I can survive fairly well.

For the Crusader I'm in the area where everything will have to be better rolls of the current gear, I have a low damage Foote and only a 4 bounce Jekangbord, or set items to replace the crafted set items. Made a second crusader to play a 2H cool down style build and with all the hand-me-downs I was able to start on Torment 2.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

Flex wrote:I got a Gyrfalcon's Foote (Blessed Shield now has Zero cost) and a Jekangbord (Blessed Shield now ricochets to 4-6 additional targets) on my Crusader, went from T2 to T4 from those two items alone with a rather mediocre sheet DPS of 660,000.

Problem with the crusader is those 2 items are almost mandatory if you want to make it out of T2. Without you just don't have the damage.

I'm running 600kish DPS with +35% holy dmg and +31% elite damage, I melt through shit in T2, but in T3 I don't even have the damage to beat the enrage on big bosses.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

For comparison, I'm at about 920k dps and 11m toughness and can do T3 just fine, still haven't gotten neither the flail nor the shield. :( T4 is too slow. I'm using a fire-based build, including the Maximus sword (extra fire damage, pluss that demon on a chain), and I swear the demon chain does even more damage than I do. >_> Tears through most things.

I mostly farmed T1 and T2 because of the higher speed, but bored out of my mind with the grind so decided to up it to T3. It's still fast, but if I get 2-3 of the wrong elite packs, I'm in trouble.

Anyone know if there's any specific place to farm for the flail/shield and/or the crusader set? I've got shoulders and chest down, but I'd love to get the rest of the set bonuses too...

"Ask stupid questions. Growth is fuelled by desire and innocence. Assess the answer,not the question. Imagine learning throughout your life at the rate of an infant."

11k though? °_°I'm at 5.5kk and I don't see myself getting higher without sacrificing LOTS of damage :s

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Sorry, I generally don't like posting up my armoury link, so I made this here for you guise <3There's some weird discrepancies between armoury and in-game though, and it's not just the AS buff... Anyone else got that?Tipped 1m DPS since my last post, got a new helm. \o/

EDIT: Link to image because I forgot these boards don't resize images any more. Least not for me. :(

"Ask stupid questions. Growth is fuelled by desire and innocence. Assess the answer,not the question. Imagine learning throughout your life at the rate of an infant."

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

I regret sharding my l58 Vaxo; I could have given it to a minion for even more hilarity. Assuming it works. Does it?

I wish there were tools to actually figure out how changing gear affects practical DPS. Like, is the pet damage and increased sheet DPS of the Maximus worth giving up the 17% lightning damage on my Odyns (given I've got a lightning build). I just have no way of telling. How can you evaluate if is it worth giving up 4pc Asheara for the T&T gloves?

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Finery is now a 1.5% Strength increase netting me an additional 500 strength.Fervor is now flat 15% Attack Speed and Cooldown Reduction when using a 1H weapon.Holy Cause is 10% more damage for all weapons now, not just Holy.Towering Shield is not reflected on sheet damage, but is a 20% increase to Punish, Shield Bash and Blessed Shield.

To give some numbers: pre-patch Blessed Shield - Shattering Throw with my gear set up would crit for 6 to 7 million on elites and the bounces would be similar. Now they crit for about 11 million with the bounties doing half of what they did before since they went from 333% weapon damage to 170%.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

Some of these gameplay changes -- More shards! More Goblins! Guaranteed Legendary in the first hour!" -- seem counter productive because they don't address the root problem of lack of gear progression.

Now you can just hit the rubber wall faster.

The problem is the wall, not the speed at which you reach the gear plateau.

Also where are our fucking tools, Blizz? They obviously have numbers since there's so many spreadsheet tweaks. Why can't we have numbers?

Isn't that what ARPGs are though? Reaching that one point where it will take dozens of hours to possibly get that upgrade? Spending those millions of gold to reroll from 90% crit damage to 100% crit damage?

And heck even if you get your complete class set it is possible that they are all shitty rolls where of course you need to get better ones to be more awesome.

I fail to see how any of that is an issue at all.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Isn't that what ARPGs are though? Reaching that one point where it will take dozens of hours to possibly get that upgrade? Spending those millions of gold to reroll from 90% crit damage to 100% crit damage?

And heck even if you get your complete class set it is possible that they are all shitty rolls where of course you need to get better ones to be more awesome.

I fail to see how any of that is an issue at all.

For some players it's not an issue. For others -- some who have posted in this thread, even -- it gets stupid and boring and discouraging. The majority of my friends get to the faceroll T4 then quit. Again. It's not really possible to farm non-cache oranges (you kill shit and see what you can get and maybe it'll be useful, or maybe not, but you don't have any real tools to properly evaluate it anyway).

I guess it's a question of whether you would rather have your game appeal to people who want to chase perfection, vs people who are okay with just getting something better with more frequency.

I would argue the problem with designing around a increased hours for smaller return is that you necessarily start chasing people out of your game when the time vs reward reaches a certain point. I don't see the point of designing for this, but as the more cynical have pointed out, it's not necessarily bad business to create a game that everyone buys, then stops playing after a while when there's no subscription fee involved.

Lol at the buffs... the patch is now live and I'm up by 300k char sheet dps, insane.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.