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I am afraid this is what college does to you, I of course had my rebellious moments when I was younger about America. But as I got older I realized that we have it pretty fucking good and people need to stop whining about the stupidest shit like changing the fundamental values of the country. I would say Jerome has to be closer to 35 than 30 assuming he is around my age, and he went to college and became a socialist, got out of college and joined a socialist superfun club, grew out a rats nest of a beard, and still does physical labor for a living even though he could probably get a job somewhere at a campus teaching the idiotic shit he teaches. College should prepare you to grow up, not brainwash you into being a middle aged antifa socialist. Voth is right.

these people will look at the president who started it as well as trump, who due to his mean-girls-esque tweeting has been upgraded from brain-lesioned cheetoh goblin to a full-on messy bitch who dont need no man. i dont think young folks are going to look around at a country shaped by two decades of republican shitposting and come away thinking conservatism is a good thing

Don't forget how eagerly Obama continued the War on Scariness, along with Clinton as Sec of State. The drone strikes ramped up under Obama, he never closed the deeply anti-American Gitmo where anyone can be held without charge indefinitely, and he was happy to continue to prop up CIA's ISIS to keep the military-industrial dollars coming in. The guy was a creep and a disingenuous swindler, much like his model, Bill Clinton. To not pin any blame on him for the state of the US is really irresponsible.

Originally Posted by kthx

I am afraid this is what college does to you, I of course had my rebellious moments when I was younger about America. But as I got older I realized that we have it pretty fucking good and people need to stop whining about the stupidest shit like changing the fundamental values of the country.

It's not just about whether things are good or bad for you personally. I agree -- we shouldn't so easily change the fundamental values of the country. We used to believe in fair pay for fair work, not $8/hr and people requiring government subsidies just to get by. There's a big change. When the minimum wage was created it was intended to keep pace with inflation. Should be about $21/hr right now. Or here's a big change -- charging people when they can't afford health insurance! How despicable can you get?

One very important American value is of course freedom of expression, but with that, generally showing respect for other people. Not thinking that because you've got the right to say it, you should. Having some human decency. The lack of respect people show for one another is just shameful. Especially between the red team and the blue team these days ("LIBERALS ARE SUBHUMAN SCUM" "ALL REPUBLICANS SHOULD LITERALLY KILL THEMSELVES"). And the egotism ... GOD, the egotism. Americans have always been fairly assertive, but we used to have some humility. Now the country's full of divas who are all shining stars in their own personal dramas. Everyone's got to have a sarcastic comeback, as if they're a sitcom character. We're all heroes, we're all special, we've all got our bling, everyone else is trash, worship me, I'm god. It's shameful, it's deeply un-American. I'd like to get back to a country that's hard-working, humble, resourceful, thoughtful, is immune to being triggered, has a sense of humor about itself, and isn't keen on being World Police.

"You're a gentleman," they used to say to him. "You shouldn't have gone murdering people with a hatchet; that's no occupation for a gentleman."
-Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

The problem is today kids treat everything like new age gangbangers where there is no class, no pulling your punches, and complete and utter destruction of your enemy being your main goal. Jerome seems on edge today likely from craving some sort of drug but even he is one of the old school type people. I would like to think that we are more like rival families in the mafia instead, we can still show some class and dignity while working against each other. Its a dying breed unfortunately. People need to learn how to pull their punches or they risk looking insane.

Also you are right Qan, it is pretty shitty that companies like Wal-Mart and others rely on basically federal subsidies to provide the missing income to their employees and abuse the system like that, while purchasing most items from out of country. It is disgusting, but Wal-Mart shouldn't be the pinnacle of anyones working career, it should be a shitty job you work at until you find something better to do or find what you are good at in your life, or even when you are done working and just need something to do after retiring. But for every walmart there is also a company like CostCo that pays their employees well and treats them better. CostCo does better because their employees are happier working there, people hear that they treat their employees better and choose to shop there more. That is free market capitalism working properly, the problem is that Walmart is so huge that it can bulk purchase items and have insanely low prices that bring in low income shoppers. It really is a complicated matter and you can't really have the government step too much into that without causing a giant problem. Walmart will get whats coming to them but I don't expect it to be for another 40-50 years thanks to their previously accumulated earnings.

i'm pretty sure you must be pushing 30, if not already there, and yet you still sound like a complete bonehead screaming foul and breaking windows at the college in Berkeley.

the irony here is i typed some words on a forum and you're comparing it to violence and destruction of property. are my words really this incendiary and triggering? also im 29 lol

Originally Posted by kthx

I am afraid this is what college does to you, I of course had my rebellious moments when I was younger about America. But as I got older I realized that we have it pretty fucking good and people need to stop whining about the stupidest shit like changing the fundamental values of the country. I would say Jerome has to be closer to 35 than 30 assuming he is around my age, and he went to college and became a socialist, got out of college and joined a socialist superfun club, grew out a rats nest of a beard, and still does physical labor for a living even though he could probably get a job somewhere at a campus teaching the idiotic shit he teaches. College should prepare you to grow up, not brainwash you into being a middle aged antifa socialist. Voth is right.

fucking sad thing is you sort of assume the "fundamental values" of this country is some simple thing set in stone. genuinely sad. read a goddamn federalist paper or something

anyways since you asked i'm now gonna give you the rundown on the context of my college education

we have an air force base across the river, and in 2006 a wave of professors came to my college with the intent of starting up a Military History program. In order to do this, to qualify, they had to tailor classes to fit a potential Military History degree. And so while I was going to LSUS 2006-2010, my history classes covered the Vietnam War, the Korean War, WW2, The Civil War, Louisiana in the Civil War, as well as more general classes such as "War and Society" which examined the history of warfare and how it affected the development of society. (For instance, Machiavelli was influential in developing the concept of nationalism in order to trick peasants into "fighting for their homeland" without having to pay them lol)

I had three main history professors, one of them is a delegate for the Republican party. The second came here from the Naval War College in Annapolis. The third professor has written over 13 books about Napoleon (and only half of them in English) (and he's been awarded a medal from the French gov't for his contributions to Napoleonic studies) (lol he actually has a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mikaberidze) (edit: oh lol he ALSO taught at the naval war college. u know those military colleges... basically 100% liberal, as the military tends to be)

do these people seem like liberals to you?

Originally Posted by qan

Don't forget how eagerly Obama continued the War on Scariness, along with Clinton as Sec of State. The drone strikes ramped up under Obama, he never closed the deeply anti-American Gitmo where anyone can be held without charge indefinitely, and he was happy to continue to prop up CIA's ISIS to keep the military-industrial dollars coming in. The guy was a creep and a disingenuous swindler, much like his model, Bill Clinton. To not pin any blame on him for the state of the US is really irresponsible.

i'd be here all night if i had to point out every side to every thing. think about this in terms of the masses, in terms of people who don't really dive deep into things. they're going to look at the war on terror and blame whoever started it. i mean, even before bush, you had Reagan arming the taliban and creating the problem in the first place, so i dunno, obama has his problems and his place in all this but is he a prime mover? by no means.

Last edited by Jerome Scuggs; 01-11-2018 at 11:03 PM.

The Phase > what version of ssc are you guys running?
Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"

Where the fuck do you live where people still go to wal-mart lmfao buy that shit off Amazon mang Obama got u covered with those drones mah boy. Personally I'm waiting for them to accept PayPal so I can stop shopping myself at wal-mart . Motherfuckin' Elon Musk can take your ass cost effectively into orbit on a reusable (personally someone else can use that reusable shite from Goodwill I'll wait for a fresh one lmao) motherfuckin rocket but can't make Amazon take PayPal smh. Gotta borrow a fuckin credit card and shit to order my vapetricks textbook online lmao such a joke. Actually Jeff Bezos is my bro we go way back cause I sold him weed lmao. Always some wack shit too and he'd swear he'd get fuckin' blazed and "coded up a storm" lmfao nerds and no he never offered me any shares, yes I would've taken the offer if he ever did but he didn't ok

what's weird to me is this catch-22 situation where i'm a liberal arts soy boy hippie, and yet i'm also dumb for working with my hands? make up your mind

i was never interested in taking my degree to like, law school or whatever because i hate lawyers

i enjoy working with my hands, i love being in shape, and quite frankly it's more effective to agitate when i can talk with blue-collar workers about their problems and encourage them to clash with their boss (which is me but lol) because at the end of the day, you need the people on your side

where i come from it's a form of weakness if you have to hire someone to work on shit for you, real men know how to do shit. ya boy jerome is a man of mind -and- muscle. a jack of all trades. a renaissance man.

The Phase > what version of ssc are you guys running?
Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"

Also, would you argue the virtues of socialism with someone who had to live through it? Would you tell some starving Venezuelan family about how great his countries policies are while their family starves to death?

If someone smarter than you tells you how shitty socialism was why are you proudly one now?

because people like you kept telling 18-year-old ayn rand-loving me that college was some liberal arts indoctrination facility

so i went and found that it wasn't

so i started to wonder who's really indoctrinated here, people who go to college or people who are convinced that college is some cultural marxism re-education camp

...it's kind of like how when people tell you that weed is exactly the same as heroin, and then you smoke weed and you're like "man if they were lying about how bad weed is, what else are they lying about"

i asked myself "man if my conservative heroes were lying about college, what else are they lying about?"

turns out: alot

The Phase > what version of ssc are you guys running?
Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"

Also, would you argue the virtues of socialism with someone who had to live through it? Would you tell some starving Venezuelan family about how great his countries policies are while their family starves to death?

if you follow that wiki page you'll find one of my history profs was born in the USSR lol

The Phase > what version of ssc are you guys running?
Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"

Lying about a lot in what sense? The fact that you were able to go to work today, come home, eat whatever you wanted to eat at a store full of food, get on the computer, whine about the system that gave you the ability to do all these things. What do you honestly have to complain about is what I am asking. What do you want to change so badly, you want what.. bernie sanders to be elected president and give free college to everyone even though you know as well as I do that a majority of people are too fucking stupid to actually get anything useful from it. It is just a fucking joke and you know it, you have so many good things in your life and you don't know what to do with all the free time you have so you find stupid shit to complain about and do to make yourself feel better, and when that doesn't work you smoke a joint or something. It isn't much of a life, and there is a reason you aren't fulfilled as a person.

If you were making 300k a year instead of 40k(estimating based on facial hair) would you really still be sitting here whining about this shit? Do you want the company you work for to give over control of it to you and your fellow workers and not make any money himself?