On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

wax_on:Jeez, how many police abuses would we eliminate if we just made pot legal? No more "I smelled pot so I decided it was my duty to violate the 4th amendment."

Dont worry. We'll find something. The appearance that there are human trafficing victims in the trunk or something. Perhaps the popo will suddenly discover that extacy has a pungent odor. They arent going to let that sweet overtime vanish without a fight.

How can that PD possibly justify destroying personal property (as well as a man's business) without a warrant?

They can't

I thought they had to get permission to enter a domicile, why not a vehicle? And what gave them the right to pull out wires and disable his equipment???

Because fark YOU, that's why.

It's ridiculous how far things have gotten out of hand since 9/11. Seriously pathetic. I have children and I hope we can start to swing this place back to some level of sanity soon. When I drop my kids off to fly to their mothers and I see 30 mouth breathing dolts who would be working at Walmart otherwise manning the security checkpoint, frisking old ladies, I cry.

End the war on drugs and end 3/4 of the problems people are arrested for. Make prostitution safe and legal and end the other 1/4. The straggly idiots who stilll commit crimes after that are worth shooting, anyway.Hallelujah

Where are the teabaggers and Real Americans™? They're always screaming about the evil, over-reaching government taking all of their rights and property away. These kinds of stories come out daily; you'd think they'd be all-hands-on-deck with this issue.

mcnguyen:Where are the teabaggers and Real Americans™? They're always screaming about the evil, over-reaching government taking all of their rights and property away. These kinds of stories come out daily; you'd think they'd be all-hands-on-deck with this issue.

Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

It does seem to be a pickup. Here's his website. It looks to be a Ford F-650 or F-750 medium duty truck with an aftermarket pickup conversion (they don't sell them that way from the factory).

Now, on one hand, this seems to be an example of abuse of police power.

On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

I'm with you. I was all ragey about abuse of police power etc then I was like wait, he sells train horns for cars and trucks that you can hear miles away and they have a warning on them that they can injure folks within 100 ft? Oh fark too bad he didn't catch any stick time

Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

It does seem to be a pickup. Here's his website. It looks to be a Ford F-650 or F-750 medium duty truck with an aftermarket pickup conversion (they don't sell them that way from the factory).

Now, on one hand, this seems to be an example of abuse of police power.

On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

I'm with you. I was all ragey about abuse of police power etc then I was like wait, he sells train horns for cars and trucks that you can hear miles away and they have a warning on them that they can injure folks within 100 ft? Oh fark too bad he didn't catch any stick time

But seriously they do this crap a lot. I know a few people who have had their cars towed, impounded and search because it was suspicious. They ended up having to pay impound fees to get their cars back to find them stripped of stereo equipment and any of value they had in it stolen.

This kind of thing not only infuriates me, it really stuns me. I don't have a reality setting where the police are the bad guys.

My husband, as a Chief in the FD, has stricter rules on his conduct than it seems many LEOs in other states do. It's just shocking. People should be able to trust, without question, those who commit to protect and serve. And this sort of theft should be not just actionable, but a demanded actionable offense. No way to get out of it, no excuses.

Most of us expect that when we call 911, the people who show up will be compassionate, competent, honest, sober, and hardworking. Any deviation from that is just ...appalling. Absolutely appalling.

How do I reach this shangrila where the police are properly restrained and always worthy or trust? I wish to relocated family there.

Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

It does seem to be a pickup. Here's his website. It looks to be a Ford F-650 or F-750 medium duty truck with an aftermarket pickup conversion (they don't sell them that way from the factory).

Now, on one hand, this seems to be an example of abuse of police power.

On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

Just heard this for the first time the other day. One of my neighbors must have it, they go up the road baring it and at first I thought it was the train (I live a mile from

But seriously they do this crap a lot. I know a few people who have had their cars towed, impounded and search because it was suspicious. They ended up having to pay impound fees to get their cars back to find them stripped of stereo equipment and any of value they had in it stolen.

This kind of thing not only infuriates me, it really stuns me. I don't have a reality setting where the police are the bad guys.

My husband, as a Chief in the FD, has stricter rules on his conduct than it seems many LEOs in other states do. It's just shocking. People should be able to trust, without question, those who commit to protect and serve. And this sort of theft should be not just actionable, but a demanded actionable offense. No way to get out of it, no excuses.

Most of us expect that when we call 911, the people who show up will be compassionate, competent, honest, sober, and hardworking. Any deviation from that is just ...appalling. Absolutely appalling.

Yeah? I have a friend who is a cop. He sometimes tells us amusing stories about how stupid/ borderline incompetent his coworkers are. Do you remember that IQ test some departments have cops take so they won't hire anyone too smart? I think my friend might not pass it on the high side. Not so sure about some of his coworkers.

I'm talking stupid like texting and Facebooking while driving. Like 16 year old driver stupid.

granolasteak:I hate this LEO-hate that comes up on threads like this. I love our local LEOs. They're amazing men and women, and every single one of them works damned hard and is as honest as they come

Maybe my town is an oddity, but I just don't get the gangbanger attitude that seems to be rampant in some officers in some other cities.

And it's frightening to think that people like those responding here, average joes so to speak, are raising their children to fear and hate law enforcement. It's frightening that it even seems reasonable to fear law enforcement in any shape.

End the war on drugs and end 3/4 of the problems people are arrested for. Make prostitution safe and legal and end the other 1/4. The straggly idiots who stilll commit crimes after that are worth shooting, anyway.

My local police are generally fantastic as well. They're also not pulling no-knock raids for non-violent offenses, and they're not using 'civil forfeiture' to steal everything they can. All my interactions with them have been professional (though I admit it can only help to be a clean-cut white guy driving cars in decent repair.)

notice how the police are total scumbags when it comes to cannabis, people are quick to apologize for the police like they are 'just following orders" but they consistently go above and beyond on the shiatheel scale when it comes to weed. They deserve all the ridicule and hate they get.

TuteTibiImperes:granolasteak: TuteTibiImperes: On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

I hope you're being facetious about the "not exactly upset" part of your comment.

What's next? "He were one of dem dark skinned folk, so I'm not exactly upset." Or, "She weren't wearing a long enough skirt, so I'm not exactly upset."

Slippery slopes are....slippery.

I get the slippery slop argument, but I really, truly, detest the product that this guy sells. It encourages and enables this kind of douchebaggery (based on the faceplate decal it actually appears these guys are using his company's product).

It's sort of how like when serial killers and child molesters get beat up in prison. Yes, it's wrong, but it's hard to have sympathy for them.

Oh those things. I hate everyone involved in this story including this guys customers.

/Its the new whistles that go WOOOO WOOOO.//Bubb Rubb had a better personality

insertsnarkyusername:granolasteak: I hate this LEO-hate that comes up on threads like this. I love our local LEOs. They're amazing men and women, and every single one of them works damned hard and is as honest as they come

Maybe my town is an oddity, but I just don't get the gangbanger attitude that seems to be rampant in some officers in some other cities.

And it's frightening to think that people like those responding here, average joes so to speak, are raising their children to fear and hate law enforcement. It's frightening that it even seems reasonable to fear law enforcement in any shape.

End the war on drugs and end 3/4 of the problems people are arrested for. Make prostitution safe and legal and end the other 1/4. The straggly idiots who stilll commit crimes after that are worth shooting, anyway.

You just don't know how the cops in your town are crooked.

The problem is that it's a self-feeding spiral. A lot of cops treat the public as the enemy. This causes parents to teach children to stay away from the scary man with the badge. This causes cops to be surrounded by unspoken hostility. Et cetera.

Sadly, there isn't anything that the public can do about it, other than set up limits to abuse of color of law.

That used to be an issue in the town i grew up in. The cops were accused of pulling over folks with Broward or Dade County plates based on the fact they thought thats where all the drugs were coming from. Having those plates and being profiled isnt much different than having this guys douchebag truck and getting profiled for it.

I'm guessing that he pissed one of them off with one of his horns and they used the " i smell weed" bs to get back at him.Weed should be legal like it is here and in Co. There are many people that should smoke it everyday; the world would be a better place.

TommyymmoT:First, it was not a pickup.Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

I got as far as We deliver the loudest train horn kits you can buy and then.....

That used to be an issue in the town i grew up in. The cops were accused of pulling over folks with Broward or Dade County plates based on the fact they thought thats where all the drugs were coming from. Having those plates and being profiled isnt much different than having this guys douchebag truck and getting profiled for it.

That's been going on everywhere forever. Driving through Wisconsin or Indiana with Illinois plates? Yeah, pretty good chance you're gonna get pulled over. Maybe not because they suspect drugs but still. I got a ticket in Iowa for going 59 in a 55. They know you're just gonna pay it rather than drive all the way back to contest it.

cryinoutloud:TommyymmoT: First, it was not a pickup.Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

I got as far as We deliver the loudest train horn kits you can buy and then.....

I can't figure out why anyone would buy these. What kind of asshole would spend $500+ so you can hear his horn 2. Miles away and he can damage the hearing of anyone within 100 ft? I ausually against banning things but these shouldn't even be sold

Was at a highway rest stop the other day. Was towing, so I dropped the truck and trailer in the truck parking area.

There was a car carrier there, surrounded by ten or so unmarked police vehicles, among them a large number of SUVs. The first obviously strange thing was that, trailing from the doors on the SUV's, were a bunch of Dewalt power tool battery chargers.

They had all the brand new, fresh-off-the-boat cars pulled off the truck and were systematically dismantling them right there in the rest stop parking lot. Did not photograph, because my own setup looked far from legit - big Dodge farm truck with "PRIVATE TRANSPORT NOT FOR HIRE" decals, a flatbed trailer, and a fully dismantled Corvette strapped on, with all its guts piled up in the back of the truck.

NickelP:cryinoutloud: TommyymmoT: First, it was not a pickup.Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

I got as far as We deliver the loudest train horn kits you can buy and then.....

I can't figure out why anyone would buy these. What kind of asshole would spend $500+ so you can hear his horn 2. Miles away and he can damage the hearing of anyone within 100 ft? I ausually against banning things but these shouldn't even be sold

TuteTibiImperes:On the other hand, his business is selling those infuriatingly obnoxious incredibly loud horns for trucks that make them sound like locomotives. Given that, I'm not exactly upset that the police trashed it.

phrawgh:Under any other circumstances this would be an example of blatant disregard for a citizens rights and the police overstepping their bounds but in this case, they were looking for drugs. We must protect our children and society. You can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.

But what of the private prisons? They get a lot of money to keep people locked up and 50% of them are in there for majiuana possession. If you don't keep the prisons at 100% capacity you lose a lot of that money.

JoieD'Zen:NickelP: cryinoutloud: TommyymmoT: First, it was not a pickup.Second, they didn't just trash a truck, they trashed his business because he uses it as a mobile platform to demonstrate the variety of air horns he sells for a living, and they trashed his demos.

I got as far as We deliver the loudest train horn kits you can buy and then.....

I can't figure out why anyone would buy these. What kind of asshole would spend $500+ so you can hear his horn 2. Miles away and he can damage the hearing of anyone within 100 ft? I ausually against banning things but these shouldn't even be sold

Some guy with a small dick?

I am not at all upset the cops trashed his ride, I mean the Cops targeted the right kind of asshole to be vandalized. I've heard these train horn go off, some asshole in Lakeland has one and goes around the Mall parking lot and outdoor diners to blast his little horn.I wouldn't be surprised if someone founds out who it is, and the guy gets beaten to an inch of his life - it would be sweet justice. Problem is they are not entirely main stream enough to be banned, however some of these assholes have them and its a serious problem.

I am deaf and it sounded like it was a freight train 15 feet from me, if my ears cringe I can bet other people would be none so pleased to have these horns go off. Either way good job to the officer, hopefully the jackass grows up.

Later on, the police will be quietly paying for this gentleman's damage in an out-of-court settlement. If they smelled dope, they needed to go to a judge and get a warrant. No exigent circumstances here to get around that.

BravadoGT:Later on, the police will be quietly paying for this gentleman's damage in an out-of-court settlement. If they smelled dope, they needed to go to a judge and get a warrant. No exigent circumstances here to get around that.

Not likely in Florida, we have something called "probable cause", the officer suspected the truck had a stash of weed, if he swears this statement in court, the court could either approve or reject this (most of the time charges dropped). In this case if the guy wants he can go after the police officer, which would put every cop against him in Florida, pulling him over for speeding when he's going 1mph over etc.

Word of advice to him, remove the horns and quietly get his truck repaired because he makes it worse for himself.

I heard that the major cocaine traffickers used to take cocaine and cannabis and blend it up into a fine liquid and then spray it on everything getting shipped out of Columbia but the product. There used to be a guy at the shipping yard who walked around with his sprayer hitting every container. They also used to spray their money so that it got into circulation, the idea being that the cops would be so busy with false alarms that they could just slip past. Also, I know a guy that used to train police dogs and he said that most dogs are trained crookedly by their handlers and they can make them react anytime they want to even if the dog did not find anything.

Misconduc:I am deaf and it sounded like it was a freight train 15 feet from me, if my ears cringe I can bet other people would be none so pleased to have these horns go off. Either way good job to the officer, hopefully the jackass grows up.

I have really sensitive ears and I jump at loud noises. No, I'm not just being a whiny biatch--I have to put my hands over my ears if one of those loud choppers go by, or an unmuffled truck. They completely unnerve me if I'm driving and one is too close. If somebody blew off one of those air horns near me, my ears would cringe so hard I might drive off the road. Seriously. Not farking funny.

granolasteak:I hate this LEO-hate that comes up on threads like this. I love our local LEOs. They're amazing men and women, and every single one of them works damned hard and is as honest as they come

Maybe my town is an oddity...

It very likely is. My town also has a very professional and effective police force, but even our officers have mentioned that the cops in a neighboring area even scare THEM, personally. Apparently, the exact kind of applicants our force rejects due to psych screens showing a predilection toward violence and power issues are exactly the applicants that city hires. One force has an attitude of policing, and the other almost an attitude of a military occupation force. Different institutional cultures entirely. Its like a group of goddamn mall ninjas with uniforms and guns, and openly hurt and/or kill people who cross them. Openly, on camera, and still always get cleared for it. Eventually the feds may step in the way they have had in other places, but that takes a loooooong time and a lot of bodies. Not all departments are created equal. You got lucky. Don't think its typical.

It was done by Tampa PD...yeah they are all corrupt as hell. He should call the County Sheriffs dept and press charges against the cops and the department. Also I'm sure lob a few dozen 7 figure lawsuits their way.

This is what happens when guys who are worried about their penis size find each other. Here is the summary I would like to see in the paper:

Some young guy is worried about his penis size and sells loud, obnoxious horns to other young guys worried about their penis size. The cops, who are butt hurt about not having the legal tools to bust mr horn guy, and who are worried about their own penis size as a result, decide to become vigilantes and screw with mr horn guy's truck to teach him a lesson.

Misconduc:BravadoGT: Later on, the police will be quietly paying for this gentleman's damage in an out-of-court settlement. If they smelled dope, they needed to go to a judge and get a warrant. No exigent circumstances here to get around that.

Not likely in Florida, we have something called "probable cause", the officer suspected the truck had a stash of weed, if he swears this statement in court, the court could either approve or reject this (most of the time charges dropped). In this case if the guy wants he can go after the police officer, which would put every cop against him in Florida, pulling him over for speeding when he's going 1mph over etc.

Word of advice to him, remove the horns and quietly get his truck repaired because he makes it worse for himself.

Yeah--that's what lawyer-types call a "warrant." What court did the cop go to before tearing apart this guy's car?

weng ,This sort of behavior is not abnormal.Was at a highway rest stop the other day. Was towing, so I dropped the truck and trailer in the truck parking area.There was a car carrier there, surrounded by ten or so unmarked police vehicles, among them a large number of SUVs. The first obviously strange thing was that, trailing from the doors on the SUV's, were a bunch of Dewalt power tool battery chargers.They had all the brand new, fresh-off-the-boat cars pulled off the truck and were systematically dismantling them right there in the rest stop parking lot. Did not photograph, because my own setup looked far from legit - big Dodge farm truck with "PRIVATE TRANSPORT NOT FOR HIRE" decals, a flatbed trailer, and a fully dismantled Corvette strapped on, with all its guts piled up in the back of the truck.

Pretty sure that trick has been been used to move drugs on a large scale. More then a few ounces of weed.

Not saying police should not be liable if they make a mistake and cause damage, but this could be a trick used to move large amounts of drugs. I hope the police had a clue before breaking out the tools.

BravadoGT:Yeah--that's what lawyer-types call a "warrant." What court did the cop go to before tearing apart this guy's car?

He's free to file a complaint, I'm sure an internal investigation will follow with the cop getting his pay reduced for a week or so, mean while this guy becomes a mortal enemy with his shiny big truck to every Police officer in 100 miles.

Ivan the Tolerable granolasteak: I hate this LEO-hate that comes up on threads like this. I love our local LEOs. They're amazing men and women, and every single one of them works damned hard and is as honest as they comeMaybe my town is an oddity...It very likely is. My town also has a very professional and effective police force, but even our officers have mentioned that the cops in a neighboring area even scare THEM, personally. Apparently, the exact kind of applicants our force rejects due to psych screens showing a predilection toward violence and power issues are exactly the applicants that city hires. One force has an attitude of policing, and the other almost an attitude of a military occupation force. Different institutional cultures entirely. Its like a group of goddamn mall ninjas with uniforms and guns, and openly hurt and/or kill people who cross them. Openly, on camera, and still always get cleared for it. Eventually the feds may step in the way they have had in other places, but that takes a loooooong time and a lot of bodies.Not all departments are created equal. You got lucky. Don't think its typical.

Some cities are pretty rational. Some cities like to hire police that think they are doing house to house searches in iraq regardless of context.