why all the hate NOW?

I feel like people are really hating on the Wii U now that its out, and it hasn't even thrown us any curveballs. Nintendo actually went to great lengths to keep our expectations low. They didn't show any games at E3 that weren't in the launch lineup, they didn't promise any Wii U capability that's not possible (except TVii of course, but thats coming), they even kept our insatiable appetite for news fed while keeping our expectations in check with Nintendo Direct videos. Heck one of those videos was of a dissected Wii! We already knew what was in the machine! It was crazy watching sites that were "taking apart the Wii U", Iwata already did that for the whole internet to see a month ago!

The hate from fans and developers alike really boggles me because the Wii U has met expectations and even exceeded them in many regards.

Its an HD console with a touch screen controller that isn't significantly more powerful than the current gen. Holy sh** its what fans and developers knew for over a year, but this fact is now flurrying around the web as if its somekind of surprise.

My theory is it's all because of the low Zombie U review scores. It was built ground up for the Wii U and supposedly doesn't do as good a job as nintendoland does of showcasing its abilities. I also told so many people months ago "Zombi U is gonna be the sh!t, you have to get it"

Hope they don't give me a beating, lol

other than that, people seem really happy with it. I'm looking forward to setting up mine tonight

We're not seeing hate from fans. We're not really seeing hate from developers. What we're seeing is trolls. It's fucking annoying, but that's the way it always is on the Nintendo forums. I've said it a million times before, but you don't see me posting on the Xbox360 forums about how the 360 is a piece of shit and it breaks all the time and it doesn't have any games and lol at all you people and your FPSs. I don't do that because I don't care enough, I just leave my Xbox360 unplugged and collecting dust like it's been doing for most of the last two or three years and I leave it at that. But these Nintendo trolls almost seem to get off on coming in here and being negative for no reason at all.

I have no hate. The Wii clearly did some serious damage to the image and perception but I think the Wii U is pretty awesome. For all the supposed "hardcore-ness" of the XBOX and Playstation brand, those consoles absolutely bore the hell out of me.

Its an HD console with a touch screen controller that isn't significantly more powerful than the current gen. Holy sh** its what fans and developers knew for over a year, but this fact is now flurrying around the web as if its somekind of surprise.

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Also holy hell, THIS. I've seen posts recently saying things like "why should I be amazed by this? This isn't some kind of huge leap over PS360, no games are showing that!"

Well, yeah. We've been talking about this since a year and a half ago, when we saw the Zelda demo. That is obviously not the appeal of the console, so all your whining is addressing no one. Nobody cares.

Welcome to the Internet. Some people like being a pain in the ass and others just want to justice their reason on not getting one.

Pro tip: When it comes to the trolls, click their "username" on the left and then hit "Ignore". Ignoring them > falling for their bait.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter how much logic you toss at them, they will keep going, and going, just to get a rise out of us. Whether they know it's false, or they don't but can't provide any good reasons to support their "opinions.". Which is why I've left those idiot trolls to fap to the slow CPU threads.

Got Zombie U today and its actually pretty fun,so no you wouldnt deserve a beating its a great launch title not goty, but it serves its purpose. As for all the hate i say f***'em enjoy your system people are gonna always find something to bish about thats life. I bet when the nextbox and PS4 drop we're gonna hear the same BS not the capabilitys of the systems of course but trolls and fanboys will find something.... Oh and i typed this from my wii u tab by the way

The hate really isnt coming from "fans" its coming from people who just like to shit on other peoples parade.

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This, in a nutshell. If you like the console, and the games and potential it shows, then buy it. If, on the other hand, you think it is not up to scratch, or lacking in basic functionality, then don't buy it. Simple. Just don't feel the need to come on here justifying your own agenda.

As i have said before, it is a new games console, not the cure for cancer, or the blue print for world peace. Treat it as such, and enjoy it if you will, or ignore it if you wont. Simple.

I made an ign account for the first time since the wii launch to enjoy the hype and talk about common interests. Unfortunately it turned out that most people's time here is spent getting wound up all day on pointless troll threads.

People initially struggled to download the original patch.
A lot of the features are being patched in later in December
The games are having performance issues. Framerate, visual glitches, long load times.
The debug mode for Miiverse was accessible which just looked sloppy on Nintendo's part.
Controller life is shorter than expected for some.
Zombi U isn't reviewing as well as the impressions lead.
There have been various other little issues regarding Miiverse moderation, controller range issues, etc.

Overall not a great launch, but nothing horrible. Probably being dramatized, but the recent developer comments aren't helping the not so impressive launch games. Overall the hardware seems solid and ready to go, so I wouldn't worry too much. Everything seems to be fixable.

you have a point, but people still wanted more. At least a big step up from current systems. I wouldn't pay $350 for a 360 with a tablet control today, so why should I pay nintendo for one?

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I would pay that much for a new system.

What I wont pay is $500-600 for a new system. That is way too much money IMO. Besides I don't expect the PS4/720 to big that much different and if they are they would be around the price I just mentioned.

People initially struggled to download the original patch.
A lot of the features are being patched in later in December
The games are having performance issues. Framerate, visual glitches, long load times.
The debug mode for Miiverse was accessible which just looked sloppy on Nintendo's part.
Controller life is shorter than expected for some.
Zombi U isn't reviewing as well as the impressions lead.
There have been various other little issues regarding Miiverse moderation, controller range issues, etc.

Overall not a great launch, but nothing horrible. Probably being dramatized, but the recent developer comments aren't helping the not so impressive launch games. Overall the hardware seems solid and ready to go, so I wouldn't worry too much. Everything seems to be fixable.

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I can agree with this. In fact I just got done watching a bunch of reviews for ported games on the Wii U (or crossplatform) and it seems like every single one of them was slower and less smooth on the Wii U. Very very troubling.

you have a point, but people still wanted more. At least a big step up from current systems. I wouldn't pay $350 for a 360 with a tablet control today, so why should I pay nintendo for one?

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I would pay that much for a new system.

What I wont pay is $500-600 for a new system. That is way too much money IMO. Besides I don't expect the PS4/720 to big that much different and if they are they would be around the price I just mentioned.

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True that, in fact I waited until the PS3 was around $299-399 (I can't remember) and then jumped in. I also had the advantage of getting a decent stream of games, cause there was shit to play on it at launch. I bought the two games that were available at the time that fit my interest, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Heavenly Sword. The only other game out at the time was Lair, which was a complete waste. (imho, I know some people like it.)

$299 for the new Nintendo, ($350 with a boxed DVD of Nintendo land and a lot of extras) is totally worth it for ME. That's why I got one. And I've been having a rip roaring time with it. Some of the complaints are just completely unfounded

1. The day one patch was easy for me, pretty short, well I just played Sticker Star to pass the time so I didn't even notice
2. Then Miiverse and everything started working flawlessly ever since monday. My posts from NSMBU direct from game was the only hiccup on Sunday but now it's running like a champ.
3. A lot of features being patched in december? The only thing being integrated in December is TVii. My guess is because Netflix rolled out day one, Hulu just hit, YouTube is testing in certain areas and it's going to take time for those VIDEO SERVICES to get their shit together on the Wii. Then Nintendo will step in and release the tie in of TVii. This is really a non-issue for most people.
4. Tablet range and battery life is EXACTLY what was advertised. From my main bedroom where it's at right now it can reach my bathroom around the hall for toilet gaming and it can reach the first barstool at my kitchen counter about 20 paces away.
5. It WAS and IS an incredible launch.

I have to say, this has been my favorite launch ever. It didn't start out that way. I didn't have any fan fare or excitement built up. I went and played with the Kiosk and saw the reviews and when I walked into Gamestop I was like "well I guess I paid for it, and I'll have some faith in Nintendo. I liked the Wii, so this progression of it will probably hit that bar." In short, I wasn't completely sure what I was getting after playing the Rayman demo. Also, because I've been a DS gamer since it came out and consequently into the 3DS XL now, I had a lot of confidence in Nintendo's ability to wield a dual screen system. So almost reluctantly I took it home.... once I got through the update, which again was EASY, I started to mess around with Miiverse, the web browser, Netflix and the games.

IT FLOORED ME! It all worked so well together that the ideas snapped into place from Nintendo's immediately apparent vision. I totally get it. Whether it's a Nintendo-Box or whatever, it's going to be a great gaming and multi media machine from here on out.

I also know that I'm not alone in the experience I had. There's a lot of people enjoying this thing, and some of them aren't even in the forums anymore, but we're talking on Miiverse.

Its an HD console with a touch screen controller that isn't significantly more powerful than the current gen. Holy sh** its what fans and developers knew for over a year, but this fact is now flurrying around the web as if its somekind of surprise.

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I'm pretty sure Nintendo fans swore that wasn't true. In fact, they still say that isn't true. And Nintendo themselves said they wanted to get back the core gamers who wanted great graphics. It's the first thing they said. Iwata said in an interview that he was told Zelda couldn't be done on current consoles. That was last year. Saying stuff like that is contradictory to the info we're getting know.

But you're kind of right, Miyamoto did say at one point the Wii U wasn't significantly more powerful. But then well, there was a whole argument about what "significantly" meant and how it was a vague term.

Anyway, Nintendo better step up their game production and push out more AAA games than they have in the past.

Hate or love this board and various website reviews of the system really has jack to do with its success. Hate it, love it, whatever, it's up to the lemming consumer to decide its fate now. Xbox360's died like fruit flies and its still successful, in terms of cars dodge has been at the bottom of the consumer reports reliability list for a decade and they still sell, logic has virtually NOTHING to do with the consumer.. especially the american variety. My 4 yr old daughter has been demanding she gets a wii U after watching a commercial, 75,000 of them will probably sell just because peoples kids didnt see any other game console commercial.

Personally I guess I must be interested in the system. I've been around here for more than a decade and I don't even remember checking the boards or really caring during the xbox360 or ps3 launches even though I eventually bought both.

I've really enjoyed what I've played of my Wii U thus far -- OK, that's just 'New Super Mario Bros. U' -- but the OS structure regarding Nintendo Network IDs needs to be blown up. Seven years ago, you could painlessly recover your Xbox Live account/purchases on a second console if/when the first broke. With the march of time, and with a working model in front of it, Nintendo should've had a system at least as good, if not better.

Again, not hate, just frustration in the fact Nintendo muffed what should have been a gimme.

Anyone think Nintendo will release updated controllers instead of updated consoles? Like a higher resolution screen, different colors, no added features but a re-design of sorts. Like a 3DS getting a 3DS XL.

I think this is why Nintendo created Miiverse; there is so much negativity surrounding their products from people who don't try their stuff in the first place rhat it gets confused as an informed opinion.

People are dumb and expect Nintendo to do anything but what Nintendo does. Nintendo does not go for super powerful consoles, they do not take losses so they can cram super powerful hardware in their system, they do not aim to appease the dudebros. Nintendo is not Sony and Microsoft they do not have anything other than games so they have to make money on games alone so they won't do anything that won't make them money in the end. You don't have to like their methods and if you're okay with missing Nintendo games then don't get their consoles simple as that. I don't have a WiiU and don't intend to get one till Zelda and Metroid come but just felt the need to chime in cause the hate is ridiculous. Nintendo fans should definitely be happy, they got a HD console putting out good graphics, a nifty controller and a solid launch with a good entry to the Mario series. If you are in fact a Nintendo fan, there is nothing to complain about.