North Korea: its all fun and games till someone loses a city.

Ok, Mr. Smartie pants, lol. I've read alot of different sites about NK's military capabilities and I would be inclined to think that despite the
overwhelming belief that just because the US has a technological edge over NK that they will be the victor is a bad assumption. At the very least you
will see massive casualites on both sides. I found this site to be somewhat informative. Please let me know what you think
(NK Military)

There wasn't a reason for me to comment, but I decided it would be good to urge you to brush up on American History. I don't think you recall the
Attack on Pearl Harbor and what followed it, we entered WW2 and nuked Japan 4 years later. Our technology has advanced from 68 some years ago when we
nuked Japan. Imagine what America has in its arsenal now, what its capable of now, think of the undisclosed weaponry.

I think the issue here is you not using common sense and realizing that the U.S. would in fact destroy N.K. with no damage to our continent, or its
people. You're in denial, you'd like to think you're right, but the sad reality for you is that you've underestimated the worlds strongest
military power.

In order for N.K. to be able to cause North America any damage, they'd have to have assistance from the big boys living in their backyard.

And great you have some film of their army marching..........good for you...........the point still stands......

W the fact that NK cannot feed its population, and have this "massive" standing army of soldiers who will be in battle and demand more food and
resources the the country can even keep up with should clue you in to just how frail that military infrastructure is......

regardless of how ruthless they are, they can only operate for a short amount of time......

If they tried to storm the border of south korea, they would be met with a force better trained, better equipped , better fed, and supplied by
countries with better logistics and infrastructure to handle it........

3. You underestimate your enemy. Specially serious when you're enemy is oriental. Guess vietnamese farmers didnt teach you anything... and you know
how the saying goes, "if you dont learn from history..."

You even realize what you just said? You said FARMERS......these people had means to take care of themselves and supply their people with the FOOD
they needed to do what they did.....

Why do you think in vietnam we targeted their fields and their supply trains?

To sit here and posit that an army from a country who has a hard time even feeding itself, could last in a ground war is ridiculous.......

5. Table turners - without nuclear war - bio and chem warfare - the north has A LOT. South has none - only has gas masks. Tunnels. SK has more north
korean tunnels beneath them then they have ants. Seoul could turn ugly really really fast.

Really? this is what you think of SK? Wow who doesnt know what they are talking about now? Do you have any idea how well SK is supplied or well
equiped they are? apparently not.....

You can say what you want, ive spent my time in the military, ive spent my time in logistics and im well aware of the problems faced when trying to
supply and keep a standing OPERATING military up in a war zone......

NK does not have the ability to keep an ongoing conflict up .........period end of story......

So you can call me ignorant and call me all the names you feel like you need to.........

Im not some internet armchair general in his teens that doesnt know what hes talking about.......

You say you have military experience yet all of your comments seem to directly contradict that fact........

Then you go on to talk in another post about asymetrical warfare.............again.......you need to be well supplied for that......again.......that
means FOOD above all else.......

It doesnt matter how fierce you are, a starving tiger will only fight for so long before it cant anymore.......

For all your military knowledge experience you claim to have, you seem to really really overlook the BASIC factors involved with a ground
war.......

American Arrogance checking in for duty! And the same 1-7 can be stated for you as well or are you the official Military Mastermind in charge of the
U.S? No? That's what I thought?~ Truth is nobody know's what's about to happen. Guestimation's are the only logical deduction's and from your
post your making N.K to sound like a monster to be feared.

I never knew N.K to be a sleeping Giant~

You're clearly not military. Listen... you have no idea how dangerous are 2 types of soldiers. The well motivated soldier and the cornered
"nothing-to-lose" soldier - the U.S is neither. I've fought along side with US troops.

I never said that NK is a sleeping giant... I said that underestimating an enemy which you know nothing about its a bad move. And yes, that attitude
can mean the difference between victory and defeat. The US will never actually "lose" against NK. Not a "war" at least - it may (and if it comes
to that probably will) lose battles tho. Your patriotic ego does not need to worry. Unless China decides to join the party. Then WE ALL worry - its
not like the US its the center of the world.

And chill out... it's not like I've offended your mother. Patriotism shines so much it blinds people.

This South Korean soldier disagrees with your "impenetrable" dmz defense line theory...
I've never been there... who am I to judge...

Are they always prepared for an invasion?Anonymous soldier: Oh yeah. It’s like Israel.

What would it be like if it did happen?
If the North Koreans did invade, intelligence puts their army at around 1.2 million infantry who would crash the borders at various points. Because of
all those landmines put in over the years, we figure they’re going to clear a lane of entry for their troops to punch through using artillery and
overwhelming numbers, which means it’s critical the whole line and each piece of real estate is held by each company. If the line is breached at
all, we’re pretty much f*ked. Their orders are to hold their real estate for seven minutes—no more, no less.

Seven minutes sounds really specific.
That’s exactly how long it takes to scramble bombers to their location so they can bomb it directly. This is why they often call their little grid
the “tomb.” It’s ultimately a suicide zone.

That’s pretty heavy. Where are these jets coming from, exactly?
Jets in the present plan would be coming from Okinawa, Guam, and some of the US aircraft carriers stationed in the Pacific. But by the time the jets
take off and drop their bombs, there won’t be any airfields to land and refuel at in South Korea, because all of the airfields are strategic North
Korean targets and all of their heavy artillery have the range to hit them easily. That’s why the South Korean air force has top-secret landing
zones already set up on highways across the country that are equipped to refuel and rearm planes. But apparently North Korean spies have already
confirmed all of these highways anyway.

So basically everybody is f*ked and the defensive plan is hopeless.
Nobody really expects those companies to hold on for that long anyway. It’s a long shot. They’ll not only be getting their area bombed to #, but
don’t forget, North Korea has something like 130,000 well-trained special forces, and they’ll probably already be landing on the South Korean
coast coming up their ass while they’re holding on for seven minutes.

Coming up their ass doing what?
They’ll be do something called “promoting general chaos,” a military tactic meant to shock your enemy’s will to fight by attacking
psychological targets like city halls, police bases, radio stations, water purification plants, hospitals, trains, and even grocery stores. There’s
also confirmed intelligence that some North Korean troops will be using South Korean uniforms to confuse people. On top of all that there are the
tunnels.

What do you mean, "the tunnels"?
They’ve started finding these tunnels built by the North Koreans that I’ve been to myself, that stretch two and a half miles into South Korean
territory. We’re talking tunnels wide enough that every hour a whole battalion could be pumped out of it and just start swarming everything in
sight.

EDIT: like I said I have no idea how they will do it... but... by simply capturing seoul they assure all the supplies they need. Everyone else in
history has been doing it... its not like food is a problem, like I said, unless you're attacking russia

- The easiest way to get supplies would
be to secure seoul as fast as possible. Its 28 miles off the border... you're making sound like Tehran...

its not... Its 28 miles.

Although regarding my military experience, it did not rely on supply lines or logistics. But I would appreciate we just leave it at that.

I've read that Rense article before...it's actually quite good, but it's also about 9 years old, so doesn't take a lot of development into account.

For example, the newer Aegis missiles are much better, and would have a much higher success rate, requiring almost double the salvo to penetrate. In
addition, more and more vessels have it, which of course, means an unthinkable salvo would be needed to get a missile into a carrier.

It also fails to consider the PAC 3 missiles, and ballistic missile defenses.

Also, in the bunkers, it's true the previous bunker buster could only do 30m, but the new MOPs can do 61m.

The author also radically underestimates the damage of a primary air assault with cruise missiles, stealth drones, stealth bombers and fighters, to
radically reduce the effectiveness of any counter-attack. He also radically underestimates the effectiveness of having air superiority.

He does make some excellent points about the NK Naval strength and the effectiveness of their tunnel/bunker structure. This would make any mopping up
troop actions be a nightmare for those doing it, but if I were a commander, I would simply focus on killing the regime, and then withdraw and see what
new leader rises. If he plays ball, great. If not, rinse and repeat.

One thing that would be different. We would see some Naval casualties on outlying ships of the carrier groups. We'd also see more aircraft
casualties.

If NK invaded SK with troops and armor, en masse, there'd be little we could do to stop it. Instead, the tactic would be to solidify the border,
contain the invasion force, and reduce it while keeping it from being resupplied.

This South Korean soldier disagrees with your "impenetrable" dmz defense line theory... I've never been there... who am I to judge...

can you please quote me where i said this?

Again........there are SOME things in that article that sound correct, but a lot of it sounds like bunk........and I do not see this as a reputable
source........

I notice you use a specific type of source for north korea to make them sound a lot mightier then they are, but then you post an off the wall source
from an "anonymous" soldier to bolster your claims on SK.......

In order for N.K. to be able to cause North America any damage, they'd have to have assistance from the big boys living in their backyard.

It wouldn't be a cakewalk....although it would seem that way initially, especially in the press. Oh, we'd swoop in, destroy everything above ground,
establish air superiority, and keep any missiles from flying...

But...

We'd also see a lot more aircraft casualties, more naval casualties, and lots of terror-like attacks in SK, and US interests in the area and
surrounding areas. NK would engage in a mentality of "total war" with us, and putting boots on the ground in NK is basically a meat grinder. It's a
fool's errand, and hopefully no commander is that dumb. You'd have to have a siege mentality with NK, and wait and starve them out...on their own
soil...at least until you identified the bunkers and tunnels to bury them in.

If NK invaded SK with troops and armor, en masse, there'd be little we could do to stop it. Instead, the tactic would be to solidify the border,
contain the invasion force, and reduce it while keeping it from being resupplied.

This is exactly right and what ive been trying to say in previous posts.......add that to the fact...again....they they would have serious issues
keeping a military fed.......on top of a prolonged engagement at a border with supply lines being cut.........

Define not knowing anything about the Enemy? Because I believe that to be a even bigger stretch than you stating that I know only Asymetrical Warfare
with Blinded Egotistical Patriotism, which thank you for stating what I am and am not. I was unaware that I didn't know the difference of what I am~
I don't know what's more arrogant my harmless post or a grown man thinking he's the Axis and Ally commander in cheif because he's served next to a
US soldier.

This is exactly right and what ive been trying to say in previous posts.......add that to the fact...again....they they would have serious
issues keeping a military fed.......on top of a prolonged engagement at a border with supply lines being cut.........

IMHO , their standing army would fall pretty quickly

Not as quickly as you'd think though... The tunnels are extensive, and no doubt go to sympathetic parties in China also. It would be nearly
impossible to cut all their supply lines, and many bunkers actually make weapons, process food, etc. I think most in the west would be very surprised
at the kind of underground infrastructure they have. In fact, it's the whole reason we developed the MOP in the first place...because our previous
bunker busters couldn't hit hardened NK positions. These can though.

NK does have a big submarine force but I don't think they could cope with the US technical superiority in this area at least not for a sustained
period of time. Not saying that the North Koreans couldn't do some serious damage to the US fleet but it may cost the US a couple of carriers. Plus
you have to think of the surface-to-surface/anti-ship missiles NK has in it's arsenal.

Aegis and Phalanx would negate the majority of that threat to the carriers, but no doubt they may take some damage. The more pressing threat would be
to the carrier group support ships. Unlike the Gulf Wars, we WILL see ship casualties in a NK confrontation. Thing is, we Americans are used to being
untouchable in the water...so seeing this on the news is going to be "shocking" to the average American who isn't aware of an enemy with some
actual capabilities on the sea.

he promised improved living conditions after daddy died. he can't deliver, so he is distracting the people with war talk and trying to fend
out military leaders who doubt him internally

he is not speaking to the US, he is speaking to his people and propping himself up

don't fall for it

Oh, little doubt...but he's also only been in power what...18 months or so? So, he's still a little bit of an unknown factor. For all we know, he's
just nutty enough to believe in his own little fantasy land...so we have to take the threat at least somewhat seriously....until we know how he plays
ball.

The scary thing is un has got himself into a corner,either he backes his words up with action or face losing ligitimacy,although his father managed
to hold on to power with the same verbose behavior so i dont expect anything to happen but who knows, April fools day is just around the
corner..

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