There are no Alien Ships visiting Earth

And for a very long time!! They maybe TPTB!!
Ask yourself why the POTUS only has security clearance level 17. So who has 1 to 16??????
If ET/ID's have only 10,000 years technological advancement then that Im sure would be sufficient enough to keep us in the dark, guessing and
disagreeing!!! The ideal status quo for them is it not!

I used to believe in ufo's. I mean growing up, that is what we always heard about. It was not until I actually started studying the phenomenon myself
by coming to places like here, and looking for real meat on the subject. Over time, after looking everywhere, it all seems to be just science fiction.
None of the evidence is convincing to me at any level. I still keep trying to find that one thing though. That one piece that will make my hair stand
and mouth gape wide open.

I was in your position until accidentally one winter evening, a shining light shone against a wall. It wasn't bright, it was shimmering and even
then I ignored it. Shortly, someone who was with me in the living room said, "what's that coming from the front window?" I thought it was a car
that had just passed by but decided to get up and have a look. I stood before the window curtain and peered through. In the distance was a big ball
of light, it had an amber color and it would fluctuate. It was moving slowly above the ground at about 10-15 ft. along the country road just passed
the furthest ditch, over the grassland just outside the small community, which wasn't very far.

My mouth dropped at what I was looking at and hurried this other person to come and look because, it was moving out from view. Luckily, the two of us
seen it. I weighed an internal debate about whether I should run out there and chase it with a camera. It would be a run, I'd need to put on winter
boots and a jacket, not to mention find a camera which wasn't anywhere to be found. There's also the slight fear of the unknown, even though I was
intensely interested, it was my first definitive UFO sighting at the time. This was back in January 2008. So I decided not to pursue as it had
already gone out of view heading northerly and behind the community.

What I'd like to tell you is, I was in your exact position, casually showing interest in reading about UFOs, checking out pictures and videos from
people claiming it's this and that but I didn't get captivated by their stories into believing something strange and mysterious exists out there.
It is only until you personally see something that defies explanation, that is mysterious and fascinating. The sighting I had seemed accidental and
when it was over, I thought it'd be the last sighting I'd ever have. I thought the odds of ever seeing a UFO for yourself again are astronomical
and thought why would I be so special? I predicted in time, I'd forget what happened and the sight of it that had burnt into my memory would fade
away. I didn't forget and I can still playback what happened like a video clip.

There was another sighting, followed by more sightings, and then there was an even greater sighting. To this day, I could stand outside and stare at
the night sky. People demand evidence from witnesses and they demand them to prove it until their heart's content. I demanded that before all of
these years sighting and experiencing things. No matter how much you demand, it isn't likely to come in the a way that you're looking for. What
you need is to actually witness these events, not try to grasp it by some others mere words and pictures. People need to simply, step outside from
their lives and dedicate some of their time, watching.

Go out and have a gander. Step away from trying to search for something on the computer to convince you of something we're naturally inclined to be
skeptical about. It's almost like sitting at a library and it being your life to learn about the world from books. It is only until you get up from
your chair and step out into the real world, in pursuit of your interest, in this case, UFOs, that you will have greatly increased your odds of
finding out the truth with your own eyes.

UFO activity is out there, you just have to get out and look for it. You don't even have to step 20 ft. from your own yard and venture out into the
wilderness or go on a great road trip. You can stand and stare at the skies from one spot in your backyard. That's what I've been doing and
although you don't always see something interesting every time you do it, you're taking an active role in surveying the skies for 'potential
objects of interest'. That's what's important if you want to find out the truth for yourself. It's going to take time and dedication, make it a
habbit, get into routine. If it's only a 15-20 minute watch every night, that's perfectly acceptable. A lot can happen.

I haven't delved into too much here, just one sighting that started it all.

Heh, t-smurf, I just wanted to chime in that I've seen those, too, more than once. So have alotta others.

About 10 yrs ago, two "satellites" came from opposite horizons (East-West if it matters) over Tucson, AZ and stopped about 2 or 3 degrees of sky
apart from each other... just stopped... and two or so seconds later, they did a fast semi-circle around each other, like they "switched places" or
were tied to each other with a cable for a quick swing and release, and then continued on their way... though a tad faster, not that I could really
gauge speed too well from a point of light, though they were above some light cirrus cloud cover.

That puzzled me to no ends... even more so than the white cylinder the seeming size of an aircraft-carrier hanging immobile in 40 mph + winds over
the same city in 1997... as that one coulda been a tethered balloon/blimp... or so I tell myself, even though other witnesses saw it disappear while I
was going for my camara... and why/how someone could/would tether a cylinder kite/blimp over a residential neighborhood I can't figure out.

Come to think of it, the orange paneled diamond thingy that buzzed my desert house in the 1980's was the weirdest, but I (unlike other family
members) only saw the tail end as it left, though it lit up my room at 4 in the a.m.

The other sightings by trusted family and friends are even more spectacularly weird ... and then there's the stuff seen by everybody else... but
nothing going on here!

But maybe the OP is correct as who knows what or who those things are?

Nice,

It's refreshing to hear that others have similar experiences. Of all the odd things I've seen close up in my life, or have heard from trusted
friends, those 'satellites' are by far the most compelling evidence for superior technology, even if they were only as significant looking as a
faint star.

One day we'll find out more. Until then, we just have to be content knowing that something else is out there that we can't explain.

Premise of the OP is flawed. Professionally produced movies and TV shows have created a false impression of what consumer-grade optics are capable of.
Take a photo the next time a plane flies overhead at maximum zoom. Chances are that the photo will turn out very poorly, with the subject out of
focus. It's not that UFOs just happen to be captured on cheap cameras, it's that even our best consumer-grade optics won't capture
footage of such subjects at such a speed and distance very well.

The second problem is that you assume footage of UFOs should necessarily increase over time. However, this is simply untrue. Just as the real rate of
violent crime has decreased over time despite continued media coverage, so too do UFOs remain a rare phenomenon in that they are rarely
photographed and/or recorded. Their lack of visual documentation does not imply they don't exist. There are many classic cases in the field, lacking
visual documentation (Lonnie Zamora, Carl Higdon, Travis Walton, I could continue...) which can't be debunked as simple hallucinations or
misidentified lights.

I can inform that you that much work has been done on the part of scientists to transform the UFO field into a scientific discipline. There's a very
large, reputable body of work which lends credence to the phenomena as being real and solid. What's necessary is to correlate a pattern of independent
witness observations (e.g. no noise, sudden reversal) with scientific data. What happens after is that a strong case builds itself. If we start with
zero assumptions and simply match observations with data, we leave with a much more complete account of what happened than if we assumed these were
lights or some other "mundane" event. Well, lights don't reverse direction or run into within twenty feet of your car (and yes, I can list such
cases).

The third problem is that no one knows where these craft come from. There's strong evidence suggesting that some cases could be ET (yet again,
I can list several cases with data to back them up), but other popular hypotheses include the psycho-social, inter-dimensional and time-traveler
hypotheses. Jacques Vallee is the best proponent of the second hypothesis.

The fourth problem with OP is that absence of "evidence" is not evidence of absence. You can designate any arbitrary standard of evidence and dismiss
that which doesn't fit the mold. UFO photos, while relatively uncommon compared to the body of recorded evidence without such documentation, aren't
the standard of evidence people should be demanding. Photos can be easily hoaxed. It's much easier to draw information from reliable witness accounts
which can be narrowed down to a few credible interpretations. As opposed to some photo which can draw so many (and often unsavory) interpretations. A
picture's worth a thousand words...

By your standard of evidence, the whole era of Antiquity would cease to exist. Ultimately, we must branch out to other methods of producing knowledge
which don't skew our interpretation of results. Such is the nature of the UFO phenomenon...

Originally posted by rigel4
So when are the UFO community going to accept that there are no
alien spaceships visiting planet Earth?
Oh sure there are billions of civilizations out there in the cosmos..that much I am sure of, but flying saucers/
UfO's belong in a comic book.

Sorry, but there are a lot of folks out there who have witnessed/experienced something, and while you may
not agree with their conclusions...until more information emerges, their opinions are at least as valid as yours.

that doesn't mean that what they are experiencing is necessarily alien craft......

My grandmother one time thought a huge bat was a demon. she swore up and down that it was.. then i cracked the case.. Had I not done that her account
would of been that of a demon and some people would lap it up and use that as a way to support the existence of demons.

You are sure of those billions of civilizations yet you have no proof just probability. how about some proof bucko.. oh what?? no proof yet but your
gut says so.. and so does probability?? really??

I can probably win the lottery but the reality is I won't... but my gut says I can

There is more evidence proving there are no alien craft visiting than there is proof supporting it is.

Originally posted by rigel4
The evidence suggests that my statement is entirely true.

I must beg to differ.

I believe the evidence indicates that you, with EVIDENTLY great narrowness and rigidity of your construct world, define out of existence the
incredible warehouses full of evidence that don't fit the biases you seem to have a death-grip on.

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