Ted Cruz was on with Glenn Beck this morning and made the following excellent point:

If they [Democrats] are right  that what were doing is hopeless, is doomed to fail, which mind you theyve been telling us for months  then why are they screaming so loudly? Why are they getting so personal? Why are they so filled with hate and fear? And its because the American people are mobilized, are passionate and energized and even worse, understand that Obamacare is hurting millions of Americans, and that has the Left terrified out of their minds.

I think Ted has it exactly right. If you’ve ever had an argument or discussion (although the PC term is “conversation”) with a progressive, if you use honest facts and logic on them they will become loud and angry after a while. A favorite of mine is “A just how is that working out now?”, since all progressives are talkers and wordsmiths but lack the biggest element for success .... working.

The liberals are still stuck on "why are you republicans shutting government down?" Stupid. Government is shutdown already ... past tense. The republicans are working to open it back up, one department at a time. That's something. Something more than the democrats in the Senate are doing.

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posted on 10/03/2013 7:18:20 PM PDT
by so_real
( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")

I might be wrong, but my thinking has it that Chief Justice Roberts was right in decidng that the Obamacare law was Constitutionsl. It was, after all, legitimately passed by the House and Senate ... and then approved by the President ... which is pricisely what the Constitution requires for a law to be "Constitutional."

Roberts, as well as a massive nuimber of Americans, probably thought that Obamacare was a lousy law and that the best decision was to let the American chips fall where they may ... as is happening now.

The woman that was protesting at the White House today and leter shot to death by DC police, might have been simply protesting Obamacare.

Right now it seems that Bohner is giving signals he's going to cave when the debt ceiling crisis hits. Apparently he's been heard making comments that he will vote to raise the debt ceiling with the liberal Pubs voting with the Rats.

I'm hoping this is wrong. If the Pubs surrender now forget winning the Senate in 2014 and maybe they lose the House. I know I will no longer contribute to any Pub candidate.

They’ve had few more of those collective quick-brain washing attempts.

One goes back to 2004 where they tried the Michael Moore “What terrorism?” BS. That one lasted about two weeks. Really..I had a few lib in-laws try to repeat that garbage. They didn’t have a problem with a little terrorism every now and then (because Israel tolerates theirs, according to them) but they sure did have a problem with someone owning a gun.

Then another—they tried to convince themselves that Tea Party people didn’t know what Communism really is. That was a hoot, and didn’t last long, it was fun watching them try to get intricate with the differences between Fascism,Communism and Socialism.
I had a liberal ask me what Communism is (on youtube I think) and I caught him using the straight definition from Dictionary.com. Even though what I said was the same exact thing but in my own words. I made sure to let him know he was busted, didn’t get anymore replies after that.

Of course, I’m not sure how much the MSM had to do with the above examples but I sure did see the ground swell on the internet and among those I know.

I might be wrong, but my thinking has it that Chief Justice Roberts was right in decidng that the Obamacare law was Constitutionsl. It was, after all, legitimately passed by the House and Senate ... and then approved by the President ... which is pricisely what the Constitution requires for a law to be "Constitutional."

The SCOTUS also ruled that slavery was legal. It didn't make it right.The Republican Party killed slavery in this country and if they are smart enough to stick together they will kill obamacare. If nothing else it is a hill worth dying on.

It was, after all, legitimately passed by the House and Senate ... and then approved by the President ... which is pricisely what the Constitution requires for a law to be "Constitutional."

Actually, there is a lot more to being "Constitutional" then just having Congress pass it and the president sign it. The US Constitution only gives the federal government so much authority - it can't take more than its authorized authority no matter what Congress or the president does. The healthcare law gives the federal government power it is not authorized to have by the Constitution, and is therefore unconstitutional. Roberts is just a coward.

I know a person who came to the US from a communist country. He will tell you just how horrible it was. But he votes lock step with socialist democrats. And will argue with you that it’s the republicans who are communists. He’s living proof the liberals are brain damaged.

I might be wrong, but my thinking has it that Chief Justice Roberts was right in decidng that the Obamacare law was Constitutionsl. It was, after all, legitimately passed by the House and Senate ... and then approved by the President ... which is pricisely what the Constitution requires for a law to be "Constitutional."

Actually Obamacare originated in the Senate and they cannot legally write any bill that requires funding, only the House can.

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posted on 10/03/2013 8:01:39 PM PDT
by DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)

I was stuck in traffic today listening to Medved wailing about what a mistake the “shutdown” is. He’s off here, way off base. Medved cited Congressional approval ratings, but those ratings are garbage since voters like their individual legislators, just not Congress. Obama’s ratings are about Obama, not the institution of POTUS.

Keep in mind that the House was designed to be the most sensitive to the people, the Senate and President, the least. The GOP controls the House because people feared Obamacare and Democrat overreach.

The proof of this is Obama’s wasted effort on gun control. He just doesn’t get it and Harry Reid went along. Obama proved himself the wimp on sequestration and is repeating the error here with the “shutdown”. He can’t learn.

Despite losing the sequestration fight because of intentionally targeting the most harmful cuts, he’s using the same mean spirited tactics today. You can’t be a statesman and a Scrooge. He looks petty and weak, worse the people who advise him look gauzy, light-weight and vindictive. They’ve lost the moral high ground.

If I were an Obama advisor I’d encourage him to be conciliatory, strong and magnanimous. “Folks, we’re fighting to keep these critical services open, despite the rancorous and vengeful TEA Party radicals. We’ll keep the checks flowing and I have asked all government employees to continue to work. Not one of them deserve the title ‘nonessential’. They keep our water and food safe, protect our borders, ports and transportation services, and many more things mostly invisible, but critical to the American public. I salute the job they do and personally guarantee each of them will be paid in full for a job well done.”

Perhaps someone has been suggesting that, but it isn’t in Obama to be conciliatory. He’s a classic faker, somebody Richard J. Daley (Daley the 1st) would have recognized and despised. Obama isn’t really tough and statesmanlike and it shows in his shadow boxing manner. He’s pretending to be something he knows nothing about.

The GOP is never going to have the MSM carry water for our cause, but via twitter, emails and postings the word will get out. The GOP has compromised and has fulfilled its mission in the House to be sensitive to the people’s needs.

All Boehner need do late Sunday night is pass a bill that funds the government in a CR and extends to every individual the very same exemption Pres. Obama and the Democrats approved for themselves and Big Business. The “shutdown” will be nearly a week old. Boehner can check mate them again and again.

It’s a win. Obama and the Democrats main constituency is government. It’s why they’re squealing so loudly.

All Boehner need do late Sunday night is pass a bill that funds the government in a CR and extends to every individual the very same exemption Pres. Obama and the Democrats approved for themselves and Big Business. The shutdown will be nearly a week old. Boehner can check mate them again and again.

Great thought!

I also like what they are doing passing small funding bills for various depts.

This fight is not just about obamacare, although that is the principal cause. It has morphed into a fight about tyranny vs republican govt. obama keeps saying just do what I tell ya. If the House gives in they might as well just go home because they can only do what obama tells them. Now is the time to stand strong.

The Constitution sets limits on what the government can do. Just because the Congress and president sign a bill doesn’t make it Constitutional. For example, they just wacked DOMA, which was passed by a Congress and signed by a President. A bi-partisan one, too. They also wacked parts of Obamacare to give states opt outs. That was passed by Congress and signed by the president.

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posted on 10/03/2013 8:30:53 PM PDT
by ilgipper
(Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)

Far from the Tea Party losing on this, it seems that the Democrats, MSM, Obama are the one's back up in a corner ready to say " Uncle " . Remember House Republicans that are currently holding the line, it's not YOU who should cave in but it's the Democrats, and Obama who should be the one who should cave in.

You keep saying the GOP never gave any alternatives to Obamacare, and that simply isn’t true. Go back and read the transcripts of Paul Ryan and others at the health care summit sideshow that Obama put on. They offered a variety of things to add to the bill, and all were rebuffed.

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posted on 10/03/2013 8:32:34 PM PDT
by ilgipper
(Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)

Roberts found Obamacare to be a TAX which the admin never EVER presented in the whole process. We were blind sided and lied to.. point blank!

The SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property and must be returned to their owners. They were wrong and the Republicans came to power and ended slavery.

The SCOTUS ruled obamacare was legal and the Tea Party, that was born when the law was passed, gained in membership. If the Pubs don't fight to the death to end obamacare (the current crisis is just one fight in that battle) then the Tea Party will have to split from the Pubs and do it.

“If I were to criticize one thing about Palin endorsements, it is that she too often goes with the female even when there are better candidates in the race. More often than not she gets it right, but she does place a very high value on supporting female candidates.”

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That is an amazing observation.

I had gone to your inbox just to figure out what I was to say to you.

And found that, about 4 down.

Now I am completely distracted from my original mission.

I support Palin. I supported Palin. I think she is perhaps my #1 pick right now, even with Ted Cruz grabbing all the headlines at the moment.

My understanding is that the three branches of government are all necessary in fully vetting a law. They all three play a part in the check and balance process. It is the JOB of SCOTUS to determine if a law, duly passed though it might be, is Constitutional when brought before them as a suit. Justice Roberts and the other cohorts on his side failed to do their job as defined by the Constitution. I saw his interpretation as a cowardly way to appease the executive branch rather than “balance” it.

The left relies on GOP surrendering without a fight. The last thing they want to be stuck defending is the very unpopular Obamacare. We’ve seen their hysterics. They aren’t winning this debate. The GOP has problems because of its squish caucus. If the GOP were united in the defense of liberty and the defense of jobs and the economy the Democrats wouldn’t have any place to hide. Instead we still have the GOP Democrat lifeguard teams in action failing to realize that the time for argument over tactics is over. The shutdown has occurred there is one choice now and that is to win and that takes unity.

The last we in the grass roots want to be stuck doing is fighting with those who should be with us but Rove, King and others are proving themselves to be just hard line progressive Republicans. They don’t see Obamacare as a threat but an opportunity for power and that is why we see what we see. Honestly we should’ve seen this coming under the Bush admin.

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posted on 10/03/2013 9:07:20 PM PDT
by Maelstorm
(The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)

The healthcare law gives the federal government power it is not authorized to have by the Constitution, and is therefore unconstitutional.

Wrong!

Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution states ... "The Congress shall have Power ...To ... provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States," and ... "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested in this Constitution in the Government of the United States or in any Department or Officer thereof."

There is absolutely nothing in that quote from Article I that you just cited that gives the federal government the power to regulate individuals’ healthcare, nor to force them to pay for health insurance. Go back and read the 10th Amendment, then read Article I again, and tell me where the fed gets all of this magical power. Limitation of the federal government by granting only specifically enumerated powers was THE WHOLE POINT of the US Constitution.

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