bamaincolorado wrote:Right Richard. We are talking about theories here, not facts. Yet you in the end of your post seem to do what libs do, claim fact where there is only theory. When an event like 60% more ice this year than last, a million more miles of ice than we had last year, I never hear the climate people on the left mention it. There are no stories on the news outlets with pictures of polar bears running on the ice. Why? because this is a political issue where one side is making billions of dollars off a theory they are pushing as fact. This gives this side a chance to try to control the world as they see fit. Smaller cars, less energy, control big business, control big oil, etc. When in fact they are arguing a theory that may not be right. The ice this year seems to indicate some doubt to the theory. But they aren't even talking about it.BIC

So, big corporations don't pay lots of money, excuse me: lobby politicians to be climate change deniers? That should be more offensive to you and me.

Polar shipping lanes that are opening up with the retreat of ice in the Arctic Ocean are attracting more traffic as instability in the Middle East raises concerns about the security of the Suez Canal.

A China Ocean Shipping Group Co. vessel docked in Rotterdam on Sept. 10 after sailing from Taicang City, near Shanghai, via the Arctic, two weeks after another Cosco craft came under fire in the canal. Taking a polar route cut the journey by nine days. ...

... The waters off Siberia first became sufficiently ice-free in the summer for voyages to be contemplated in 2005, with satellites suggesting in 2008 that the route might be passable. The breakthrough came in 2009, when the now-defunct German heavy-lift specialist Beluga (BELU) Shipping GmbH sent two vessels, each carrying 3,500 tons of freight from Korea to Rotterdam.

Other pioneering trips have included the first commercial Arctic voyage with mineral cargo, made in 2010 by Hellerup, Denmark-based Nordic Bulk Carriers A/S, which followed up with multiple sailings last summer moving iron ore from Murmansk, Russia, to China, plus the transit of gas condensate by Novatek. ...

Max M. Haiflich, Jr.Free = no regulations = survival of the fittest = SomaliaSo in summation, the Conservative Republican’s Political Platform is, LIES, MORE LIES, OUTRAGIOUS LIES, and DAMN STUPID LIES, because we represent the word of GOD.

bamaincolorado wrote:Right Richard. We are talking about theories here, not facts. Yet you in the end of your post seem to do what libs do, claim fact where there is only theory. When an event like 60% more ice this year than last, a million more miles of ice than we had last year, I never hear the climate people on the left mention it. There are no stories on the news outlets with pictures of polar bears running on the ice. Why? because this is a political issue where one side is making billions of dollars off a theory they are pushing as fact. This gives this side a chance to try to control the world as they see fit. Smaller cars, less energy, control big business, control big oil, etc. When in fact they are arguing a theory that may not be right. The ice this year seems to indicate some doubt to the theory. But they aren't even talking about it.BIC

So, big corporations don't pay lots of money, excuse me: lobby politicians to be climate change deniers? That should be more offensive to you and me.

Corporations spending millions a year to lobby congress or congress spending billions a year on a theory. Which one should be more offensive? Only one of these is with my money.BIC

People in congress being bought off, on both sides by the way, and you think they problem is with those buying them. Typical liberal thinking. If we had men and women with morals and integrity in office we wouldn't be in this situation. I voted against every incumbent in office for this very reason. Will you do the same next time? Let's send a message that we won't stand for corrupt politicians instead of just talking about it on an anonymous message board. Are you with me red? Richard? Are do you prefer the let's just bitch about it route?BIC

bamaincolorado wrote:People in congress being bought off, on both sides by the way, and you think they problem is with those buying them. Typical liberal thinking. If we had men and women with morals and integrity in office we wouldn't be in this situation. I voted against every incumbent in office for this very reason. Will you do the same next time? Let's send a message that we won't stand for corrupt politicians instead of just talking about it on an anonymous message board. Are you with me red? Richard? Are do you prefer the let's just bitch about it route?BIC

SO, corrupt Corporations are fine with you? It takes two for bribery to happen. While you can not buy what someone is not willing to sell, you also can not sell what no one wants to buy.

Max M. Haiflich, Jr.Free = no regulations = survival of the fittest = SomaliaSo in summation, the Conservative Republican’s Political Platform is, LIES, MORE LIES, OUTRAGIOUS LIES, and DAMN STUPID LIES, because we represent the word of GOD.

I prefer the part of the equation I can do something about. I can't keep corrupt groups from trying to buy people with no morals. What I can do something about is getting to ones being bought out of congress. It's a matter of what you can control. You can't stop one end. You can the other. So can I count on you to join me in voting against every incumbent in office the next election singledad?BIC

bamaincolorado wrote:I prefer the part of the equation I can do something about. I can't keep corrupt groups from trying to buy people with no morals. What I can do something about is getting to ones being bought out of congress. It's a matter of what you can control. You can't stop one end. You can the other. So can I count on you to join me in voting against every incumbent in office the next election singledad?BIC

And the new ones you elect will just be corrupted in turn. You are only addressing the affects, not the cause.

Max M. Haiflich, Jr.Free = no regulations = survival of the fittest = SomaliaSo in summation, the Conservative Republican’s Political Platform is, LIES, MORE LIES, OUTRAGIOUS LIES, and DAMN STUPID LIES, because we represent the word of GOD.

You are suggesting something you have no way of knowing. The cause is lack of integrity. This can only be addressed in the man or woman whom you elect. That is the issue. Elect good, honest people of integrity and vote out the bums like Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, etc.BIC