Highjack, the problem is that the remoaners are happy for the EU to turn down ALL of our proposals just so Brexit is dealt a blow regardless of how fair they are. Like you say the only way is saying to them OK if that’s not enough we will have to settle for a no deal and like you say they will soon change their tune they have far more to lose than us.How can you negotiate with someone if they think you will accept anything like the remoaners seem intent on doing.

It’s not the Eu’s fault if we get a bad deal. it will be partly Theresa May and her shambolic team and mainly the remainers who have done everything on their power, from the off, to make it impossible to get a good deal.

They have been utterly shambolic. It’s two years since the referendum, 15 months since article 50 was triggered and only now they are trying to thrash out a strategy.

Useless.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

They’ve blamed the EU for everything that is wrong with Britain. No surprise that they’re crying like babies that it’s the EU’s fault that Britain will be getting a bad deal and worse off as a result. They really are pathetic deluded romantics.

There are lots of agendas and competing self interests and I think there is blame on both sides. I can see the EU’s position, they are going to lose out on significant budget contributions and want to make things as difficult as possible so that they can protect their own industries and jobs. We on the other hand would like to be able to trade freely with the EU and others without having the restrictions that being in the single market brings.

We have voted for Brexit and that is where we are going. There is no doubt that the public were misled by politicians and others in the build up to the referendum and I suspect that lots of people had no idea what exactly Brexit meant when they voted for it, but that is water under the bridge. We seem to be at the mercy of internal Conservative party wrangling at the moment and that can’t be good for the country or our future.

It may be project fear 2 or it may not, but the number and size of businesses who are publicly airing their concerns is a worry. No doubt their interest is self interest, but equally I do not trust the politicians.

There are lots of agendas and competing self interests and I think there is blame on both sides. I can see the EU’s position, they are going to lose out on significant budget contributions and want to make things as difficult as possible so that they can protect their own industries and jobs. We on the other hand would like to be able to trade freely with the EU and others without having the restrictions that being in the single market brings.

We have voted for Brexit and that is where we are going. There is no doubt that the public were misled by politicians and others in the build up to the referendum and I suspect that lots of people had no idea what exactly Brexit meant when they voted for it, but that is water under the bridge. We seem to be at the mercy of internal Conservative party wrangling at the moment and that can’t be good for the country or our future.

It may be project fear 2 or it may not, but the number and size of businesses who are publicly airing their concerns is a worry. No doubt their interest is self interest, but equally I do not trust the politicians.

Bank of England Governor Mark Carney now admits his predictions of doom regarding Brexit were wrong. (No shite Sherlock) And he’s now upbeat regarding the economy.

But make no mistake he’s part of the establishment and he’s also saying the USA will lose out in a trade war........No, Mr Carney you were wrong regarding Brexit and you are wrong again regarding the USA.

It’s not the Eu’s fault if we get a bad deal. it will be partly Theresa May and her shambolic team and mainly the remainers who have done everything on their power, from the off, to make it impossible to get a good deal.

So the people who voted to stay in Europe are responsible for us having a bad Brexit deal?

Bank of England Governor Mark Carney now admits his predictions of doom regarding Brexit were wrong. (No shite Sherlock) And he’s now upbeat regarding the economy.

But make no mistake he’s part of the establishment and he’s also saying the USA will lose out in a trade war........No, Mr Carney you were wrong regarding Brexit and you are wrong again regarding the USA.

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Peewee - you know the score.

You cant believe people like Carney ffs. He is an expert. Experts have been wrong before.

No ignore him, just make stuff up and say a wish instead. Its all the rage, dont you know ....

It has been fairly obvious from the start that the EU are going to say no to everything, regardless of what it is. Which makes these ’negotiations’ obsolete and a complete and total waste of time.

This is why we seriously need to consider walking away without a deal. They’d soon start saying yes to things if they were about to lose the £50 billion plus we are going to give them.

I wouldn’t say it’s obvious they’ll say no to everything. But what they will say no to is and has been obvious since the start. That’s why people have been critical of the ‘have our cake and it eat’ approach. May’s wasted months chasing fairytales.

I can’t see any remoaners wanting this outcome, contrary to the paranoid ravings of pikey and penny on here. It’s a mess and people should be coming together to kick the Tories out not letting them divide and rule.

It’s not the Eu’s fault if we get a bad deal. it will be partly Theresa May and her shambolic team and mainly the remainers who have done everything on their power, from the off, to make it impossible to get a good deal.

Yep, it won’t be the EU’s fault if we get a bad deal. They’re not kicking us out. And we know what the rules are of being in the EU and of having access (or not) to bits of it when we leave.

The fault will be chasing unrealistic terms for future relationships (worth a try I suppose- if May could pull it off she’d be a hero). But mostly it will be this:

We should never have gone into the referendum without a clear view of what Brexit would look like.