I'm watching The Musketeer and I was wondering about this era in French history. Are the rapier fights realistic? The French seem to have been pretty badass but what the fuck happened? Today they are a bunch of faggot baguette eating pussies.

The French have, since the end of the Hundred Years War, consistently been overwhelmingly strong in terms of military and economy. This never actually stopped. Even after WW2 they were still fighting for colonies. The dumb myth that the French are cowards is American because they didn't support the Afghanistan/Iraq interventions, and didn't join the coalitions. Now something bad happens to France and all of a sudden the government has their élan back and goes straight into bombing shit.

>>299640>he French seem to have been pretty badass but what the fuck happened? Today they are a bunch of faggot baguette eating pussies.Near every thread about othwer nationalities like this is posted by an American, by some fat walt that takes some sort of personal pride in the achievements of others that share their nationality.>I just saw Vikings, they were hella cool, what happened?

>>299661The French battle plan against the German was as intuitive and straight-forward a plan as they can get. Hold the Maginot Line, invade the Rhineland through Alsace. The Maginot Line only covered Alsace-Lorraine, it did not exclude Belgium. By the time the French realized their error, it was already much too late. German tactics, weaponry, and machinery demonstrated quickly the importance of mobility and the nigh-uselessness of old fortresses. It was just too easy to roll over even the highly fortified Belgium, and then straight around into Champagne. In other words, the dynamic of war changed, and France got the memo too late.

I'll give you credit in this, though, the decision to allow Germany to re-militarize the Rhine was stupid, and they paid for it.

>>299661one thing that everyone forgets is that france is right next to germany, germans had to cross all of europe to get to the ussr and still slapped the shit out of them for years until the war turned around, despite the german military doctrine being already known to the soviets who could have observed it in france and the rest of europe

france was caught unprepared and was quickly overrun that does not change the fact that historically they have been a global military might, and even in modern history, france just recently had a successful war in Mali, and are now turning against isis

>>299640French men aren't pussies, you've bought into a stupid meme that only Americans and optimistic Brits push. They're no more or less manly than any other western men. They just happen to be more romantic.

>>299659Americans are ironically the biggest cowards I've met. This is the only country I've been to where a little fist fight is greeted immediately with massive law suites and a man acting like a crybaby just because someone used violence against him. Like fuck, I love America but some of you guys are chained to the peaceful and ordinary. It might sound weird, but friendly little fist fights are one of the things I miss most from eastern Europe.

In the 30s, French governments were changing every week. Lack of permanence makes it impossible to enact ambitious reforms, nobody could think long term anymore, and they failed to modernise their defense strategy despite De Gaulle's warnings (who at the time was an army colonel desperately trying to get the military modernised, motorised and built for speed, writing books about it which ironically were read by the Germans who used them as a blueprint for the first Panzerdivisionen).

>>299773You realise no country in the world managed to withstand German invasion in WW2, except for Russia, but by that time the whole world was fighting Germany, they were getting huge material support from America, they had had three more years to prepare, they had a giant expanse of land, winter on their side, and an unending reservoir of tens of millions of soldiers from every corner of Eurasia, and even they almost lost.

>>299777No. According to his post he said the French were good until they lost, ignoring the fact the French didn't hold out very long and got over run and defeated without a fight. They pretty much surrendered their entire country.

The differences in the two are different. Whereas the Germans being a small country mobilized and took the majority of Europe for many years until an alliance system needed to be formed to take them out. His statement is obnoxious because of the short term and relatively miniscule success of France.

>>299809>I would argue that not even the Soviet did (withstand the German invasion).>After all, if real life was completely different, they wouldn't have withstood the German invasion (unlike in real life, where they had done so).

>>299700Blame Belgium for that one. The line wasn't extended along the Belgian border because they were allied to France at the time. But then Belgium broke the alliance and declared neutrality for "safety". Look how great that worked out.

>>299838Comparing who held out the longest is pointless, it's not like every invasion was the same on either side of the conflict. The fall of France was perhaps the most shocking because you had a reasonably strong army defeated by basically an unprecedented, single strategic masterstroke. Had the push through Ardennes or crossing of the Meuse failed, who knows what would have happened.

France has one of the most active militaries today. Do you not pay any attention to the news? Syria, Mali, Libya, Ivory Coast, France has been doing a shit ton of interventions. It just that unlike most of Europe, they aren't afraid to say no the Yanks

and from a historical perspective France has one of the best military records around.

France has one of the most active militaries today. Do you not pay any attention to the news? Syria, Mali, Libya, Ivory Coast, France has been doing a shit ton of interventions. It just that unlike most of Europe, they aren't afraid to say no the Yanks

and from a historical perspective France has one of the best military records around. Most of European military history from 17th century until 1871 was "how do we contain France?"

>>299851A month or two still includes you saying two months. Are you dense? And 6 weeks to completely demolish, over run and conquer France is not a fight. The French surrendered with very very little resistance.

>>299788The reason French didn't hold out long wasn't because they were shit in military or fighting spirit but because their government was useless and did not commit to anything related military. The military commanders like De Gaulle were promoting use of tanks and talking about importance of highly mobilized fighting forces before WWII ever started.

The problem was French government didn't acknowledge this and thought manginot coupled with then outdated form of warfare with infantry supported with tanks would be enough.

Goes to show you how ineffective a democracy is compared to an autocratic regime when it comes to war.

>>299861yes, it includes saying two months, with the caveat of the actual length being quite possibly much lower, hence the "a month" part, with the entire phrase being indicative of the period in question lasting not exactly a month but not the full extent of two months either, incidentally rather fitting for a timespan of one and a half montha caveat your exclamation of "it was one month" does not includesimple logic, you see

>>299884>You still said two months.which, in and of itself, would indeed be as close (or far) from the actual length of the fight as your statementbut, unlike yours, my choice of words was not as limited, and ultimately proved to be closer in describing the lenght of the conflicti win again, there is no need for you to keep digging that hole

>>299884>Yeah and Denmark and Netherlands don't pretend to have fought hard or be tough guys like the French pussies.No one calls them cowards though, unlike French which have a long history of being an overwhelming military power but for some reason called cowards because they fought and lost in WW2, then govt surrendered before all of the army was decimated.

You wanted them to fight until bitter end and nothing was left standing on French soil? That's not brave, that's just stupid.

>The FFA is a joke. Stop pretending like France fought hard. They collectively gave their country up and decided the ability to eat baguettes, snails and frogs for a few seconds longer was worth it.Now you are just trolling.

>>299898>ifThey were good for a millennium, with only a temporary failure on their part, in a war that was won.

>>299907>The French were cowards during WW2 through and through and didn't know how to be any other way. Their entire country conquered, their entire military decimated in only 6 weeks.What does losing have anything to do with being cowards? French fought and died in the hundreds of thousands.

They lost because they didn't utilize proper war tactics of the time, nothing to do with courage.

Just for your information. French invaded whole of Prussia without tanks in less than 6 weeks before, are Germans cowards too?

Do you know what the modern era is? No one thinks Italians are a good military because of the Romans. Italians can't into modern warfare and neither can France. France is literally meatball tier but with fags, frogs, snails and baguettes up their asses. If you can't comprehend that then you're literally a dumbass.

>>299952You said the Battle of France took either a month or two months and when you get called out on your bullshit you bitch and moan about it instead of admitting you're a stupid piece of shit. Had you said between a month and two months, this could have been avoided but you're literally retarded.

>>299973the phrase "a month or two" does not mean "either one month, or two months"funnily enough, even assuming i had said it took "either one month, or two months", which i had not, then right now you are calling yourself a stupid shit as well, seeing as you had said it took a month (and, unlike me, without adding "possibly more")

>>299979Statistics say it has the fourth or fifth best military in the world, after USA, URSS, China and along with UK, if taking into accounts numbers, millitary spending, spread, equipment quality and training

>>299986>URSSFrench faggot detected. You are the product of cowards breeding with cowards. So your military is behind Russia... China... and the Uk... And you still have this idea your military is one of the best in world? No, USA, UK, Russia, and China have some of the best militaries in the world. You toads are only good at eating frogs, snails, baguettes and using brie cheese as lube to get assfucked.

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