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Read the latest gaming news, get game downloads, mods, patches, and watch game videos at Game Front.Tue, 31 Mar 2015 17:12:07 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1By: somewhathttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54246
somewhatTue, 09 Oct 2007 00:19:03 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54246Poor Phil Mig.
I feel sorry for you. I can understand not liking a game, but always attacking other comments and the people that have authored them is what has me pitying you the most. Oh and excuse my grammar if I've made some mistakes, but english is my second of three (3) fluent languages. And the pre-teens, teens and adults that post on this site should be able to do so without worrying about someone they've never met trying to bully them. I see only one truly immature poster in this thread, and I think you already know who you are. And no, it isn't me.Poor Phil Mig.
I feel sorry for you. I can understand not liking a game, but always attacking other comments and the people that have authored them is what has me pitying you the most. Oh and excuse my grammar if I’ve made some mistakes, but english is my second of three (3) fluent languages. And the pre-teens, teens and adults that post on this site should be able to do so without worrying about someone they’ve never met trying to bully them. I see only one truly immature poster in this thread, and I think you already know who you are. And no, it isn’t me.
]]>By: Phil Migrowenhttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54245
Phil MigrowenMon, 20 Aug 2007 04:49:22 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54245"Actually Phil, you come across as the fanboy on this oneâ€¦"
LOL! You need to actually read what Steve wrote then. Regarding TF2 Steve wrote "I can not stand waiting any longer for this game. Every time something new is mentioned about Team Fortress 2 I have to go change my shorts. I canâ€™t think of a PC multiplayer game that has had me choking blue on the anticipation." In his reply to me Steve further wrote about TF2: "The screenshots don't do it justice. You have to experience the whole game in front of you. People are really going to dig the organic feel & look they have gone with. It will truly be unique game in that respect." If that doesn't scream TF2 fanboy, I don't know what does.
I, on the other hand, wrote a basically objective description of UT3's and UT2004's features to refute Steve's ignorant claims without resorting to any of his gushing, sycophantic drivel. And, you seriously think that I am the fanboy here? You must be an imbecile or illiterate or both.“Actually Phil, you come across as the fanboy on this oneâ€¦”

LOL! You need to actually read what Steve wrote then. Regarding TF2 Steve wrote “I can not stand waiting any longer for this game. Every time something new is mentioned about Team Fortress 2 I have to go change my shorts. I canâ€™t think of a PC multiplayer game that has had me choking blue on the anticipation.” In his reply to me Steve further wrote about TF2: “The screenshots don’t do it justice. You have to experience the whole game in front of you. People are really going to dig the organic feel & look they have gone with. It will truly be unique game in that respect.” If that doesn’t scream TF2 fanboy, I don’t know what does.

I, on the other hand, wrote a basically objective description of UT3′s and UT2004′s features to refute Steve’s ignorant claims without resorting to any of his gushing, sycophantic drivel. And, you seriously think that I am the fanboy here? You must be an imbecile or illiterate or both.

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somewhatMon, 20 Aug 2007 03:21:53 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54244Actually Phil, you come across as the fanboy on this one...Actually Phil, you come across as the fanboy on this one…
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Phil MigrowenSun, 19 Aug 2007 15:10:55 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54243"UT fanboy are we?"
No, I'm actually not. I do really like UT and UT2004, but certainly not to the point where I think they are beyond criticism. Neither of those games is perfect, and I didn't even bother to buy UT2003. I do plan on buying UT3, but most likely not at its initial release unless I can find it at a really good price.
You on the other hand by your comments above and in the news post are clearly a Valve fanboy or at least a Team Fortress one.“UT fanboy are we?”

No, I’m actually not. I do really like UT and UT2004, but certainly not to the point where I think they are beyond criticism. Neither of those games is perfect, and I didn’t even bother to buy UT2003. I do plan on buying UT3, but most likely not at its initial release unless I can find it at a really good price.

You on the other hand by your comments above and in the news post are clearly a Valve fanboy or at least a Team Fortress one.

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SteveSun, 19 Aug 2007 08:58:45 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54242UT fanboy are we? /me rocket jumps overUT fanboy are we? /me rocket jumps over
]]>By: Phil Migrowenhttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54241
Phil MigrowenSun, 19 Aug 2007 07:25:17 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54241"I'd debate that diversity part."
And, you'd lose that debate. UT3 has at least four multiplayer game types in it (although sadly not my beloved bombing run) and a single-player mode and will likely have dozens of included maps. TF2 on the other hand has one multiplayer game type, no single-player mode, and in typical Valve fashion will likely come with only a handful of maps at least half of which will be remakes.
"Each iteration of UT has been basically the same thing, with improved graphics stacked onto more detailed maps."
You must not actually play the UT games. UT2004 was a major expansion of the UT franchise in terms of gameplay and content. It has seven game types several of which are not found in UT2003 or the original UT. It also has a dozen vehicles integrated into several of those game types while UT2003 and UT have none. UT2004 is basically the most diverse multiplayer FPS game in terms of gameplay and officially included content that has been released and that doesn't even count the many quality mods for it.
"The Onslaught mode was probably UT's best attempt at branching out. Still it was the same ol' deathmatch with vehicles thrown in."
LOL! You must have never actually played onslaught because it is NOT simply deathmatch with vehicles. It's an objective-driven, team-based game. Sure UT2004 has an included vehicular CTF (vCTF) gameplay mode, but Onslaught is not simply vehicular deathmatch.
"That genre has been beat to death."
And yet you are excited about TF2 which is simply the latest iteration of a game which started out in 1996 as a Quake mod and whose gameplay hasn't changed much since then.
"The whole backbone of TF are the classes and what they can do. Each class needs some advantage or weakness towards the other classes."
Yes, but we've seen them for ten years, and they're not significantly different in this upcoming version. It's time to move on.
"I think people who are initially turned off by the cartoon look of TF2 will change their mind once they see it in action."
The hugh problem with TF2 is not the cartoon look. The big problem is that the cartoon look is the only major difference between TFC and TF2. It's still the same damn game with the same damn venues. A cartoonish 2Fort is still 2Fort, and it's been played to death.
"Without playing any of these unreleased games firsthand, it is all speculation at best."
It's not speculation. There is enough public information on TF2 to know that it is basically a cartoonish retread of TFC.“I’d debate that diversity part.”

And, you’d lose that debate. UT3 has at least four multiplayer game types in it (although sadly not my beloved bombing run) and a single-player mode and will likely have dozens of included maps. TF2 on the other hand has one multiplayer game type, no single-player mode, and in typical Valve fashion will likely come with only a handful of maps at least half of which will be remakes.

“Each iteration of UT has been basically the same thing, with improved graphics stacked onto more detailed maps.”

You must not actually play the UT games. UT2004 was a major expansion of the UT franchise in terms of gameplay and content. It has seven game types several of which are not found in UT2003 or the original UT. It also has a dozen vehicles integrated into several of those game types while UT2003 and UT have none. UT2004 is basically the most diverse multiplayer FPS game in terms of gameplay and officially included content that has been released and that doesn’t even count the many quality mods for it.

“The Onslaught mode was probably UT’s best attempt at branching out. Still it was the same ol’ deathmatch with vehicles thrown in.”

LOL! You must have never actually played onslaught because it is NOT simply deathmatch with vehicles. It’s an objective-driven, team-based game. Sure UT2004 has an included vehicular CTF (vCTF) gameplay mode, but Onslaught is not simply vehicular deathmatch.

“That genre has been beat to death.”

And yet you are excited about TF2 which is simply the latest iteration of a game which started out in 1996 as a Quake mod and whose gameplay hasn’t changed much since then.

“The whole backbone of TF are the classes and what they can do. Each class needs some advantage or weakness towards the other classes.”

Yes, but we’ve seen them for ten years, and they’re not significantly different in this upcoming version. It’s time to move on.

“I think people who are initially turned off by the cartoon look of TF2 will change their mind once they see it in action.”

The hugh problem with TF2 is not the cartoon look. The big problem is that the cartoon look is the only major difference between TFC and TF2. It’s still the same damn game with the same damn venues. A cartoonish 2Fort is still 2Fort, and it’s been played to death.

“Without playing any of these unreleased games firsthand, it is all speculation at best.”

It’s not speculation. There is enough public information on TF2 to know that it is basically a cartoonish retread of TFC.

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mahmoudSun, 19 Aug 2007 06:38:32 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54240mahmoud fathy sakermahmoud fathy saker
]]>By: Stevehttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54239
SteveSun, 19 Aug 2007 03:50:14 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54239I'd debate that diversity part. I can't see how UT3 is breaking any mold. It's basically a graphics update to 2004 (which was a graphics update itself). Each iteration of UT has been basically the same thing, with improved graphics stacked onto more detailed maps. The Onslaught mode was probably UT's best attempt at branching out. Still it was the same ol' deathmatch with vehicles thrown in. Granted, much like TF2, UT3 is sticking with the same "if it ain't broke" formula.
Quake Wars does have the advantage of being a new IP (well sort of). But the gameplay is something stolen right out of a Battlefield game. I'll hold judgement until I play it, but if it's the same old Battlefield vehicle whore cap point game then I doubt I'll be impressed. That genre has been beat to death.
The problem with UT3 and Quake Wars (and any game coming out) is neither will probably master the paper-rock-scissors feel that TF has. The whole backbone of TF are the classes and what they can do. Each class needs some advantage or weakness towards the other classes. For example, being a medic in BF2142 is basically a stripped down soldier with a medic pack. The heavy weapons soldier is, you guessed it, a soldier with a big gun with a big clip. I mean each class in a Battlefield game doesn't really seem like a class. It's just a different version of the same soldier defined by what kit they have. Where's the advantage? I can't see Quake Wars being that much different. Quake Wars is going to have to prove its take on diversity first by not being a varied soldier kit game like Battlefield. Everyone is going to be using the Battlefield games to judge Quake Wars by, not TF2. It's not even the same comparison against TF2. TF2 is far less serious and even less complicated.
I think people who are initially turned off by the cartoon look of TF2 will change their mind once they see it in action. The screenshots don't do it justice. You have to experience the whole game in front of you. People are really going to dig the organic feel & look they have gone with. It will truly be unique game in that respect. And that's what makes a great multiplayer game anyway, the whole 'gel' factor. I hate awkward feeling games.
Without playing any of these unreleased games firsthand, it is all speculation at best.I’d debate that diversity part. I can’t see how UT3 is breaking any mold. It’s basically a graphics update to 2004 (which was a graphics update itself). Each iteration of UT has been basically the same thing, with improved graphics stacked onto more detailed maps. The Onslaught mode was probably UT’s best attempt at branching out. Still it was the same ol’ deathmatch with vehicles thrown in. Granted, much like TF2, UT3 is sticking with the same “if it ain’t broke” formula.

Quake Wars does have the advantage of being a new IP (well sort of). But the gameplay is something stolen right out of a Battlefield game. I’ll hold judgement until I play it, but if it’s the same old Battlefield vehicle whore cap point game then I doubt I’ll be impressed. That genre has been beat to death.

The problem with UT3 and Quake Wars (and any game coming out) is neither will probably master the paper-rock-scissors feel that TF has. The whole backbone of TF are the classes and what they can do. Each class needs some advantage or weakness towards the other classes. For example, being a medic in BF2142 is basically a stripped down soldier with a medic pack. The heavy weapons soldier is, you guessed it, a soldier with a big gun with a big clip. I mean each class in a Battlefield game doesn’t really seem like a class. It’s just a different version of the same soldier defined by what kit they have. Where’s the advantage? I can’t see Quake Wars being that much different. Quake Wars is going to have to prove its take on diversity first by not being a varied soldier kit game like Battlefield. Everyone is going to be using the Battlefield games to judge Quake Wars by, not TF2. It’s not even the same comparison against TF2. TF2 is far less serious and even less complicated.

I think people who are initially turned off by the cartoon look of TF2 will change their mind once they see it in action. The screenshots don’t do it justice. You have to experience the whole game in front of you. People are really going to dig the organic feel & look they have gone with. It will truly be unique game in that respect. And that’s what makes a great multiplayer game anyway, the whole ‘gel’ factor. I hate awkward feeling games.

Without playing any of these unreleased games firsthand, it is all speculation at best.

]]>By: Phil Migrowenhttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54238
Phil MigrowenSun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:42 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54238"But, TF2 will probably be THE multiplayer experience. I donâ€™t think anything will compare to it. Itâ€™s just so different than everything else."
LOL! TF2 is essentially just the same tired, ten-year old Team Fortress gameplay now with cartoon characters and locales. Anyone who is not already a TFC addict will simply be yawning and ready to move on after a few rounds. There's no way Team Fortress 2 can compete with the diversity and scale of play of upcoming multiplayer games like Unreal Tournament 3 and Quake Wars.“But, TF2 will probably be THE multiplayer experience. I donâ€™t think anything will compare to it. Itâ€™s just so different than everything else.”

LOL! TF2 is essentially just the same tired, ten-year old Team Fortress gameplay now with cartoon characters and locales. Anyone who is not already a TFC addict will simply be yawning and ready to move on after a few rounds. There’s no way Team Fortress 2 can compete with the diversity and scale of play of upcoming multiplayer games like Unreal Tournament 3 and Quake Wars.

]]>By: Phil Migrowenhttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54237
Phil MigrowenSun, 19 Aug 2007 02:51:28 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54237"But, TF2 will probably be THE multiplayer experience. I donâ€™t think anything will compare to it. Itâ€™s just so different than everything else."
LOL! It's essentially just the same tired, ten-year old Team Fortress gameplay now with cartoon characters and locales. Anyone who is not already a TFC addict will simply be yawning and ready to move on after a few rounds. There's no way Team Fortress 2 can compete with the diversity and scale of play of upcoming multiplayer games like UT3 and Quake Wars.“But, TF2 will probably be THE multiplayer experience. I donâ€™t think anything will compare to it. Itâ€™s just so different than everything else.”

LOL! It’s essentially just the same tired, ten-year old Team Fortress gameplay now with cartoon characters and locales. Anyone who is not already a TFC addict will simply be yawning and ready to move on after a few rounds. There’s no way Team Fortress 2 can compete with the diversity and scale of play of upcoming multiplayer games like UT3 and Quake Wars.

]]>By: Danielhttp://www.gamefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/comment-page-1/#comment-54236
DanielSun, 19 Aug 2007 01:57:40 +0000http://news.filefront.com/new-team-fortress-2-video-to-debut-leipzig/#comment-54236I can still hear the yells of "Medic!" and "Excuse me, but I'm in need of medical attention!" in my dreams.I can still hear the yells of “Medic!” and “Excuse me, but I’m in need of medical attention!” in my dreams.
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