I'm cattle....you're cattle....the players are cattle....the owners have a nice ranch....Gary Bettman is a sheep f***er. Jimmy D has WAY too much respect for the main guy responsible for bankrupt teams being a part of the league and his smug **** attitude is NEVER gonna fly with the fans. Some of the article made perfect sense, but dissing Ron McLean for having the balls to call out issues with the game and calling the players cattle is not only bad for the NHL, but looks bad on the Wings organization when one of their leaders starts sounding like a Nazi General towards the players.

This entire lockout has been a pissing contest between the NHL and NHLPA and now the owners and NHL team executives are chiming in with their hate mongering......great! Can't wait to see the 2005 lockout Stanley Cup Champion repeat...

If all the owners are cattle farmers, words like these are certainly prodding for trouble. It's pretty obvious there's a power struggle element to all of this and I fear symbollically whoever is grossing more than 50% is the one wearing the pants in the relationship. What a petty situation to be in.

Selänne said it best in one of his blogs, Wild GM signs 2 players to insane contracts then puts on his clown hat and claims that the players want too much money,
whos the real ahole here? The players of the owners?

Selänne said it best in one of his blogs, Wild GM signs 2 players to insane contracts then puts on his clown hat and claims that the players want too much money,whos the real ahole here? The players of the owners?

You are dramatically oversimplifying the situation. You also committed a fallacy in attributing the words / actions of one owner... to all of the owners. Also, could you provide a link with the quotes of the Wild GM that you are referencing? Thanks.

I like it that he spoke honestly. The part about this whole thing being way too complicated for the average Joe to understand was a bit condescending, but maybe I'm over-estimating the average Joe.

I do agree that the owners run the thing, but owners have to take their employees into consideration. If this was the players just demanding more money, I'd be on the owners' side, but this is about the players getting paid what the owners have said they will pay them.

Good read, even if I didn't particularly like what was said. It's nice to hear someone just answering the questions rather than going all PC.

Great read and dead on. If some vaunted NHL icon like Scotty Bowman or Mr. Illitch had said the exact same thing it would be taken as gospel and the whole debate over the lockout would pretty much disappear.

Flipping it, to 43% players and 57% owners still seems like a good deal to me. That's still a huge chunk to the players, but you have to remember the owners still have to pay coaches, scouts, doctors, vendors, trainers, administrators, insurance, marketing and maintenance. Imagine if doctors at a hospital demanded 50% of all revenues?

It's getting real hard for me to side with the players as this keeps going on. My biggest worry is contracts coming down so much the NHL can not compete with a league like the KHL for top salaries. It's just too bad the top dogs on each side are famous for relating poorly with the other side - Fehr and Bettman.

Flipping it, to 43% players and 57% owners still seems like a good deal to me. That's still a huge chunk to the players, but you have to remember the owners still have to pay coaches, scouts, doctors, vendors, trainers, administrators, insurance, marketing and maintenance. Imagine if doctors at a hospital demanded 50% of all revenues?

The percentages have no meaning unless we know what all the clubs expenses are. Without this information now can anybody say what is a good deal or bad deal for either side.And maybe 50% for doctors is fair. I have no clue.

But the clubs did sign players to certain contracts and now they want to basically renegotiate them. Players agreed to this once and now owners are coming back for me. Unless players have the desire to keep giving back every few years they have to resist.

Lets take Datsyuk for example. 24% rollback would turn his $6.7M into about $5M.

There is a different between cattle and people, cattle can't leave the ranch.

Great interview, what a straight shooter! It's quite refreshing to hear someone say it like it is.

Whats refreshing and what is it like? seriously I want to know. I tend to agree with the owners in this tussle but its not refreshing to hear workers compared to cattle (I know he lumped himself in there). Why don't they just replace their head of cattle then? That what I would do on my ranch. Would you watch the replacement cattle or the more elite cattle on other ranches or pastures?

You are dramatically oversimplifying the situation. You also committed a fallacy in attributing the words / actions of one owner... to all of the owners. Also, could you provide a link with the quotes of the Wild GM that you are referencing? Thanks.

The players are the heart of the game and without heart nothing can work, a ranch without workers is worth nothing. I'd rather use a car the owners are the chasis but the players the engine.

Pretty harsch words, maybe the midget has found another cocksucker now who knows,disgusting.

Flipping it, to 43% players and 57% owners still seems like a good deal to me. That's still a huge chunk to the players, but you have to remember the owners still have to pay coaches, scouts, doctors, vendors, trainers, administrators, insurance, marketing and maintenance. Imagine if doctors at a hospital demanded 50% of all revenues?

For you pro owners people:

These guys aren't working in normal jobs so you really can't compare it. Your average NHL career is around 10 years, they are the 1 % very best of the whole world and you can bet the 1 % best doctors are making tons of money (rightfully so because they are saving life!).

Today someone brought up a good point about the whole thing, what the owners are trying to do here might be even illegal so if both sides are really going for it Icould even see some court fights over that.

Nobody absolutely nobody likes to sign a contract which is a binding agreement beteween two sides and then have it lowered some weeks ago!

The players are the heart of the game and without heart nothing can work, a ranch without workers is worth nothing. I'd rather use a car the owners are the chasis but the players the engine.

Pretty harsch words, maybe the midget has found another cocksucker now who knows,disgusting.

For you pro owners people:

These guys aren't working in normal jobs so you really can't compare it. Your average NHL career is around 10 years, they are the 1 % very best of the whole world and you can bet the 1 % best doctors are making tons of money (rightfully so because they are saving life!).

Today someone brought up a good point about the whole thing, what the owners are trying to do here might be even illegal so if both sides are really going for it Icould even see some court fights over that.

Nobody absolutely nobody likes to sign a contract which is a binding agreement beteween two sides and then have it lowered some weeks ago!

comparing doctors to athletes is ridiculous. these guys are entertainers, not nearly as important to society as doctors. not even close.

comparing doctors to athletes is ridiculous. these guys are entertainers, not nearly as important to society as doctors. not even close.

Yet, millions of people are paying a good amount of money to see them play, watch them, buy jerseys and other merchandise stuff.

We can use jawyers too:

You know some of them are making sure crime gets punished as hard as possible and yet none of them is making 8 million a year but for some reason, a guy who should have been fired long time ago is making maybe 10 times of wat society important lawyers are making.

Edited by frankgrimes, 21 September 2012 - 06:06 PM.

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