Comments - Apologists of Circumcision - Atheist Nexus2015-03-31T20:46:58Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2182797%3ABlogPost%3A1431244&xn_auth=noYou go to the hospital to hav…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-05-15:2182797:Comment:19531972012-05-15T23:05:49.682ZAlex Barnhamhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/AlexBarnham
<p>You go to the hospital to have your baby...the hospital is where sick people go...the doctors, who know everything, will tell you that you should have your baby in the hospital, not at home where all the germs are. Then, if the baby is a boy, they will want to cut off his foreskin so your baby will not get HIV/AIDS. So your baby will be safer, just in case your baby wants to have sex. Don't wait until he is older because we don't give anything for the pain. What do babies know. Sure…</p>
<p>You go to the hospital to have your baby...the hospital is where sick people go...the doctors, who know everything, will tell you that you should have your baby in the hospital, not at home where all the germs are. Then, if the baby is a boy, they will want to cut off his foreskin so your baby will not get HIV/AIDS. So your baby will be safer, just in case your baby wants to have sex. Don't wait until he is older because we don't give anything for the pain. What do babies know. Sure they scream but they're young and they get over it quickly. Let's do it now while the foreskin is still stuck and hard to remove. Besides, when he gets older, he won't want to do it and we'll lose the fee. The hospital is losing money. Don't you care about the hospitals and doctors? Come on, be a good parent and let us hurt your baby so we can make some money.</p> You are absolutely right Mich…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-05-11:2182797:Comment:19482652012-05-11T02:59:01.151ZAlex Barnhamhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/AlexBarnham
<p>You are absolutely right Michael, parents are the problem in that they are much bigger than their children and will bully them into submission. Parents need to be taught not to bully their children. Most governments practice extreme intimidation of their citizens so it is a mindset that needs to be overcome. One fellow human being at a time. It is really sad to see parents who destroy their children.</p>
<p>You are absolutely right Michael, parents are the problem in that they are much bigger than their children and will bully them into submission. Parents need to be taught not to bully their children. Most governments practice extreme intimidation of their citizens so it is a mindset that needs to be overcome. One fellow human being at a time. It is really sad to see parents who destroy their children.</p> It is quite ironic that belie…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-05-11:2182797:Comment:19482592012-05-11T02:45:36.656ZMichael OLhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/MichaelOL
<p>It is quite ironic that believers in creation would somehow regard the human body as defective until surgically corrected. If god is perfect and we're made in his/her/its image, isn't there an excellent religious reason for keeping the body intact, whence all "modification" (piercing, circumcision and so forth) ought to be abominations?</p>
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<p>But there is a broader issue here that I find to be deeply troublesome: why are parents allotted such broad rights in deciding what's "best"…</p>
<p>It is quite ironic that believers in creation would somehow regard the human body as defective until surgically corrected. If god is perfect and we're made in his/her/its image, isn't there an excellent religious reason for keeping the body intact, whence all "modification" (piercing, circumcision and so forth) ought to be abominations?</p>
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<p>But there is a broader issue here that I find to be deeply troublesome: why are parents allotted such broad rights in deciding what's "best" for their children? Parents can withhold medical care if such care contravenes religious dictate, and children under the age of 18 are not allowed to consent for themselves whether a medical procedure. So if you're 16 and break your leg in a sports accident, you can't have your tibia bolted back together until mommy or daddy acquiesce. Why do we tolerate this nonsense? </p> Folks, this battle is nothing…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-05-11:2182797:Comment:19481062012-05-11T02:14:17.910ZAlex Barnhamhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/AlexBarnham
<p>Folks, this battle is nothing more than a fight to keep insurance paying for a procedure that can be accomplished simpy with tape. Foisting this procedure on a baby is barbaric, if not insane. The foreskin on an adult male is easily held in its retracted state by tape and will remain retracted if continued use of tape or some restraining apparatus. If circumcision is practiced on a baby, it is definitely without the express permission of the baby. You can offer every excuse until the…</p>
<p>Folks, this battle is nothing more than a fight to keep insurance paying for a procedure that can be accomplished simpy with tape. Foisting this procedure on a baby is barbaric, if not insane. The foreskin on an adult male is easily held in its retracted state by tape and will remain retracted if continued use of tape or some restraining apparatus. If circumcision is practiced on a baby, it is definitely without the express permission of the baby. You can offer every excuse until the cows come home but the excuses are totally without merit. A 20 cent tape job versus a $100 needless surgical knife job...give me a break. If you want a convertible, put the top down, don't cut it off. How insane can you get?</p> Very valid point.tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14337322011-07-16T16:59:48.811ZBrian Bridsonhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/BrianBridson
Very valid point.
Very valid point. I think the HIV transmission…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14337282011-07-16T16:48:42.174ZDaniel Whttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/Daniel57
<p>I think the HIV transmission issue is shown only in Africa. Social practices may not be the same as in the US. Even if they were, it is much smarter to use condoms and reduce unwanted pregnancies, human papilloma virus with transmissable cervical cancers, chlamydia, gonorrhea, LGV, chancroid, and who knows what else. I don't think that circumcision is shown to help reduce HIV transmission in the US or Europe or Asia or South America. There may be reasons with personal hygeine before and…</p>
<p>I think the HIV transmission issue is shown only in Africa. Social practices may not be the same as in the US. Even if they were, it is much smarter to use condoms and reduce unwanted pregnancies, human papilloma virus with transmissable cervical cancers, chlamydia, gonorrhea, LGV, chancroid, and who knows what else. I don't think that circumcision is shown to help reduce HIV transmission in the US or Europe or Asia or South America. There may be reasons with personal hygeine before and after sex, or promiscuity, or use of prostitutes, or other practices. To promote circumcision in the US for prevention of African HIV transmission is like promoting malaria drugs in the US to prevent malaria.</p> You raise an important point…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14341202011-07-16T16:32:06.200ZBrian Bridsonhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/BrianBridson
You raise an important point Prog Rock Girl! Even if they started trying to use the HIV issue as justification, the very fact that there are condoms and, what is that thing a lot of religions scream about? Of yeah, abstinence. Last time I checked HIV and AIDS weren't airborne.
You raise an important point Prog Rock Girl! Even if they started trying to use the HIV issue as justification, the very fact that there are condoms and, what is that thing a lot of religions scream about? Of yeah, abstinence. Last time I checked HIV and AIDS weren't airborne. The HIV thing is the only plu…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14337222011-07-16T16:18:12.132ZProg Rock Girlhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/ProgRockGirl
<p>The HIV thing is the only plus-point for circ. Although does it make a difference if the person wears a condom? And isn't condom wearing even more effective?</p>
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<p>"Tradition for the sake of tradition." Exactly Brian. It is true of circumcision in both sexes...talking on and on about cultural tradition with little other justifications. That doesn't say anything good about a culture if you do stupid traditions b/c they're traditions.</p>
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<p>Is it really so important to cut…</p>
<p>The HIV thing is the only plus-point for circ. Although does it make a difference if the person wears a condom? And isn't condom wearing even more effective?</p>
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<p>"Tradition for the sake of tradition." Exactly Brian. It is true of circumcision in both sexes...talking on and on about cultural tradition with little other justifications. That doesn't say anything good about a culture if you do stupid traditions b/c they're traditions.</p>
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<p>Is it really so important to cut off the skin of your kid's penis before he's 18?!</p> It is true that studies have…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14338202011-07-16T16:07:07.231ZBrian Bridsonhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/BrianBridson
It is true that studies have shown a reduction in contraction of HIV. But this is something that each individual can choose to do, if they believe it is in their best interest. It is not for others to decide, especially when it has all of the potentially hazardous effects of the circumcision.
It is true that studies have shown a reduction in contraction of HIV. But this is something that each individual can choose to do, if they believe it is in their best interest. It is not for others to decide, especially when it has all of the potentially hazardous effects of the circumcision. I'll admit i havent read exte…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-07-16:2182797:Comment:14332292011-07-16T14:29:48.784ZMBhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/MartinButler
<p>I'll admit i havent read extensivley on this issue but i do remember reading somewhere that some studies have shown a reduction in contraction of HIV due to circumcision. I dont see that raised in the above post. I'll dig out the reference if no-one else knows it.</p>
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<p>I'll admit i havent read extensivley on this issue but i do remember reading somewhere that some studies have shown a reduction in contraction of HIV due to circumcision. I dont see that raised in the above post. I'll dig out the reference if no-one else knows it.</p>
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