Most Recent Developments

We have a new member of Group 3, A84, who has group 3's ancestral haplotype,
except that he has the one mutation which marks the descendants of Adrian's son William,
which is consistent with research showing him to be descended from William's son Isaac.

We have just received results for A83, a member of Group 3 who is a perfect
match to A82 for the first 37 markers, and a perfect match to Group 3's ancestral
haplotype for markers 38 through 67. We are grateful for his participation and the help it gives us.

We have wonderful news: test results for our first Australian participant,
A81, showing him to be a Group 2 member; Big Y tests pending for members of Groups 2 and 4; and results already in for a member of Group 3.
The ramification of these developments will be explained as a much-needed updating of our web site gets underway, so stay tuned.

Brief Summary

We have results from participants who live in Ireland, England, Canada, Gibraltar, Australia, and the United States. We first discovered that none of
the three earliest colonial American Anglin patriarchs (William, Adrian, and James) were related. Then our first six matches
who are residents of Ireland or are descended from 19th- and 20th-century emigrants from Ireland all turned out to be
related to William Anglin, the colonial American Patriarch who died in Caswell County, North Carolina, in 1803. Accordingly, William's descendants and their Irish,
Canadian, Australian, and American cousins comprise Group 2 of our project.

For a long time, all of the members of Group 3 were descendants of Adrian Anglin, who died in Buckingham County, Virginia, in 1777; it wasn't
until A44's results came in that Group 3 finally found an Old-World connection. A44's immigrant ancestor came to the United States from Ireland
in 1913.

Last, but certainly not least, Group 4 consists of the descendants of James Anglin, who lived in Virginia and North Carolina
before moving to Wilkes County, Georgia, where he died in 1778. We have yet to find an Old World connection for Group 4, but the fact
that it took us a long time to find an Old World connection for Group 3 encourages us to be patient and keep looking.
We also learned that Thomas B. Anglin, whose parentage was unknown, was a grandson of Group 4's James Anglin, through James's son William.

The DNA tests have produced a number of surprises requiring adjustments in our family histories, so if you don't find your ancestor
in the group you expect, check one of the other groups.

We have a number of participants who are yet unmatched, but we hope that in time, we will find matches for all of
those not yet unassigned to a group.

Who are we and why are we doing this?

We are Anglin descendants who are using genetic testing to obtain information about our ancestors that we can't get any other way.
Genetic testing for some surname DNA projects has broken down long-standing "brick walls," proven relationships betweens lines that were previously thought to
be unrelated, and proven that some lines previously thought to be related were not related after all. Such projects have brought researchers together
who were able to fill gaps in each other's knowledge and documentation.

One set of test results by itself tells us nothing. It is only in comparing sets of results with others that pictures begin to emerge. And the
more participants there are, the clearer the pictures become, so we hope that every Anglin descendant will actively recruit participants. This is so
important, because now that people have fewer children, different lines are increasingly "daughtered out," leaving no Y chromosomes for testing.
It is therefore critical that we get as many tested as possible, before the opportunity is lost forever.

As more genetic population studies are done, we can compare our ancestors' DNA with the DNA tests done of the old settled populations in specific localities
and perhaps determine where in the "old country" our ancestors most likely lived.

We are not affiliated with any testing company and do not stand to make any money from this project.

Goals

We hope that this project will accomplish the following:

prove or disprove relationships among different lines

confirm or refute family legends

support or contradict conclusions based on scanty documentary evidence

Since a surname genetic study is accomplished by testing the Y chromosome of persons with the same surname, and since the Y chromosome is
transmitted from father to son, only males with the Anglin or Anglen surname would be appropriate for testing in this project. If any male
Anglin or Anglen were aware, however, of a "nonpaternal event," such as adoption, which would have broken the biological Anglin patriline,
that person would not be an appropriate participant.

Those of us who have at least one female in our Anglin line are often just as interested in the results of testing, or even more so,
than persons who are eligible for testing. We can help in the following ways:

We can identify cousins who are eligible for testing and recruit them to participate.

We can publicize the project.

We can pay for the testing of cousins who would be appropriate subjects for the project but have no interest in genealogy.

We can contribute to our project's account with Family Tree DNA to help fund the testing of appropriate subjects.

Privacy is a serious consideration with Family Tree DNA and with me personally. Please
visit the Family Tree DNA site and click on both the "Privacy" and "FAQ" tabs for information on their privacy policies.

On this web site, participants will be identified by numbers. The amount of information you give me is up
to you, but since the test results alone with no line of descent to tie them to doesn't tell us much, we really need a pedigree for each participant.
When I post it, I will leave out the identities of the participant and his father, for the sake of privacy.

The type of testing done for these surname projects is done on segments of so-called "junk DNA" in the Y chromosome;
they have no known function, so there is no known correlation with any health or personal traits. Moreover, the kind of testing that is done in these projects is not the kind which can identify a particular individual.

If you have any questions or concerns about privacy after looking at the Family Tree DNA Site, please let me know, and I'll try to address them.

Being a frugal sort, I am concerned about the test costs. I have paid to have cousins tested in this and other
Y-DNA surname projects. I remind myself that the testing offers possibilities of gaining information regarding our
ancestors that cannot be obtained any other way. If we do any traveling in the course of our genealogy research, the testing costs are just a
drop in the bucket in comparison. And if test results can keep you from spending your time and money trying to find a
non-existent connection, it can result in a big savings. And I remind myself of what my good friend told me when I was balking at spending a considerable amount of money for
something that was lovely, but not necessary: "Amortize, Karen, amortize." So if we just spread the cost out over the useful life of the information,
it doesn't seem like much at all. Prices are mentioned along with the discussion of the number of markers just below.

Family Tree DNA's rates for testing through a project at the time of writing this paragraph are as follows: the 12-marker test is $59,
the 37-marker test is $139, the 67-marker test
is $229, and the 111-marker test $319. We have a number of 111-marker tests for each of our groups, but a number of people have tested 37 markers.
The 12-marker test is so broad that perfect matches could include many, many people with different surnames. The only reason to order a 12-marker test is if you
think you may not be related to any of the other participants and you don't want to be out the extra money that it would cost to test more markers unless
you were sure you would find a relationship with someone in our project. You really need the 37-marker test to be able to tell much, unless you think you may
not be related to anyone else in the project. We have someone in each group with 67 markers tested, and it would certainly be nice to see what 111 markers would tell us.

There may be some candidates for participation who care nothing about genealogy, but whose DNA we very much want; or
candidates for participation who care about genealogy, but are unable to pay for testing. Contributions can be made in someone's honor, if you wish. If you would like to contribute
to an account to help pay for testing for our project, click here.

This project is an extraordinary collaborative effort! We owe our heartfelt thanks to so many who have contributed to this project in various ways.
We are grateful to Joan Bulach, Patricia Webber, Victor Lee, Joe L. Anglin, Jack L. Anglin, Candy Slocum, Curt Malone, Rich Anglin,
William G. Anglin, Bebe Garcia, Johnny C. Anglin, Mike Anglin, Walter F. Anglin, Shane Anglin, Charles D. Anglin, Marie Ashton, Doris Anglin
French, Jim Burgess, Sharon Oliver, Emmett Anglin IV, Ella Anglin West, Katy Greenwood, Fred L. Anglin, Jr., Robert W. Anglin, L. C. Anglin, Robert Lovelis, and Robert John Anglin for their generous contributions
to our project fund. We are also indebted to Joan Bulach and to Evelyn Williams for their generous contributions of time, talent and money.
These two have spent much time and energy in their recruitment efforts, and between them, they've paid for several
tests. Rob Anglin has spent much time and effort recruiting several participants, for which we are very grateful. We also appreciate the recruiting
and research that Bob Anglin has done. We thank Ruth Anglin, Ella West,
Doris French, Victor Lee, Maryan Handy, and Johnny Anglin, Jr., who have also recruited participants and paid for tests. And of course, we thank
each of the gentlemen who paid for their tests and each of the gentlemen who contributed their DNA. Last, but certainly not least, we owe a huge
debt of gratitude to Aidan Anglin, who tirelessly traveled all across Ireland and spent countless hours in Irish libraries doing so much
research concerning Anglins that could only be done by someone living in Ireland.

Group 2Citizens of Ireland; descendants of 19th and 20th century immigrants from Ireland to England, Canada, and the United States;
and descendants of William Anglin of Hanover Co., VA;
b. abt 1732; d. 1803, Caswell Co., NCSNP-tested haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f (R-L21)

If a participant's ID number is underlined, click on it to see his pedigree. You can click on the Group number to see
a pedigree chart showing the relative positions of those participants in the group whom we have been able to connect to one another.

In the "Ancestor" column, I have named which son of the group's patriarch that participant is descended from, if known.
If it is unknown, then I have put the name of the earliest known ancestor up to the gap in the participant's lineage.

The numbers have no intrinsic meaning. They are simply the number of times certain patterns at certain locations on the Y chromosome
are repeated. But since these are passed from father to son with only occasional mutations, their significance comes in
comparing them to results from other people. If results are very similar, a relationship can be inferred;
if they are not very similar, we know there can be no genealogically significant relationship.

Participants are grouped according to their haplotypes. (A haplotype is the set of values a participant has for each marker tested;
the test results, in other words: the numbers we have displayed for each participant on the chart above.) Participants who are
placed in the same group have such similar haplotypes that we know they are related to a genealogically significant degree.
Conversely, if participants are not in the same group, then there are so many differences
in their haplotypes that we know there is no genealogically significant relationship between them; i.e. they do not
share a common ancestor at any time within the past 500 years. And if a participant is designated as "unassigned," then he is not biologically related to anyone else in our project to any genealogically significant degree.

Since we have results from three different sons of the patriarchs of Groups 2, 3, and 4, we have been able to establish the patriarchs' haplotypes for the first 37 markers,
which we will call the ancestral haplotype for each group. Some of our participants in each group have the same haplotype as the patriarch of the group had
(i.e. no mutations from the ancestral haplotype). The ancestral haplotypes for Groups 2, 3, and 4 will be the first one listed. Any mutations
from the ancestral haplotypes appear in bold type. On A23 and A69, I did not put the value at 389ii in bold type,
because there is not a true difference here. Some labs report 389i and 189ii differently, but in the reporting convention Family Tree DNA uses, we
get the value of 389ii by subtracting the value for 389i from the value of 389ii. Therefore if there is a one-step difference at 389i, then that
difference is also reflected in the value of 389ii, but that difference should not be counted twice.

Once we have found out who our cousins are, i. e. those with whom we share a common ancestor born in the time since surnames have been adopted, we may
be interested in learning what we can about our more distant ancestors. We can look to geneticists, anthropologists and linguists for information about our remote
ancestors, where they originated, how they lived, what materials they used, where they migrated, and how they interacted with other groups. Before we begin to
look for information about our remote ancestors, we need to be able to identify their haplogroup. A haplogroup is a major branch of the human family tree.
Haplogroups and their subclades, or smaller branches of the family tree, are identified
by certain SNP's (pronounced "snips": single nucleotide polymorphisms, a particular kind of mutation). In other words, certain SNP's identify branching
points of the human family tree. When one has not been SNP-tested, however, one can sometimes make an educated guess as to which haplogroup one belongs
to by judging the haplotype's similarity to those which have been SNP-tested and thus are known to be in a certain haplogroup. Our participants
so far fall within three major haplogroups: All those in Groups 2, 3, and 4, together with A1, A33, A34, and A38 fall within haplogroup R1b1. One
person in each group has been SNP-tested for L21, so we know that everyone in all of our groups belong to that subclade. L21 was only discovered in
October of 2008, and until very recently only three SNPS downstream of L-21 have been discovered, and the people in our project tested negative for any of these
three SNPS. Recently, however, some new SNP's have been found for clades downstream from L21, and someone in Group 4 and tested positive for one of them,
and someone in Group 3 has tested positive for a different one of the newly discovered SNP's.

Among our participants who don't yet have any matches, most belong to R1b1, as our grouped participants do, and in addition we have one participant who belongs to
haplogroup E3a, one who belongs to I2b and one who belongs to I2a.

Haplogroup R1b1

The R1b haplogroup originated approximately 30,000 years ago, and it is the oldest and most common haplogroup in European populations. It is thought to have
been concentrated in southern Europe during the last ice age and to have spread northward as the weather warmed up about 10,000 years ago. It is
most prevalent in western Ireland, where nearly 100% of the population belongs to this haplogroup. Some of the subclades of this haplogroup
can be identified with populations in Scotland or various parts of Ireland. Much study is going on in this area, but much more needs to be done.

Haplogroup E3a is most prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa. It is believed to have originated in northern Africa and to have spread in the last
three thousand years with the Bantu culture into central and southern Africa, bringing agriculture along with it.
This page has information on some of the subclades of E3a.

Haplogroups I2a and I2b

These haplogroup is found mostly in northern Europe, especially the Scandinavian countries.

There is a great deal of traffic on this list, and much of it is by professional geneticists, genetic anthropologists, and very highly informed and motivated amateurs.
When I first subscribed to the list, most of it was over my head, but little by little, I understood more and more.

We are just trying to facilitate the sharing of information, but we can't be certain our information
is correct. We are trying to educate ourselves about genetic genealogy, which is still in its infancy
and growing like a weed, but we aren't scientists and have no more information available to us than you have
available to you, so it's up to you to verify independently anything you care about. The pedigrees we post for the
participants in the project are their best understanding of their pedigrees, and may contain errors. There are controversies
among Anglin researchers about some matters, and some conclusions have been made on the basis of circumstantial evidence when
full documentary evidence is not available. In short, we do not warrant the accuracy of statements made on this web site,
so verify them independently to your own satisfaction.