In that video where a 4.5 player plays a female pro. I actually think that guy's level is a great representation of 4.5.

I hate to rehash an older post but there were a few posts about how would a 4.5 do against female pros.. and how would they do against a top 14 girls player etc..

I am a 4.5 and one of my common practice partners I play with is a top 100 nationally ranked junior in her age group. She is 17 years old. She hits the ball harder than any of the males that I play with. I have now played her in 6 matches and I have won all the matches losing 2 sets in the process. Our first set is typically very close like 6-4 but she usually implodes and its more 6-2 or 6-1 in the second.

I feel like she has better tools than I do and feel like she should be beating me, but she struggles with my serve and she doesn't have the patience to wait for the right shots. I am happy to be in a 20 ball rally where she wants the point over in 3-4 shots. Given that its pretty safe to say that most 4.5s would not stand a chance against a top 100 WTA player. We may be good enough to warm up with them and hit balls back and forth, but in a match situation we would most likely only win games if you have a huge serve that you could rely on.

I also play with a guy named Wyatt Lippert who played for Ohio State and currently does some challenger events, when he actually tries he would beat me 0 and 0 with no problem. I can get a few points off of him and may even get a game to deuce on my serve now and then but I just don't have the weapons to win the big points. He usually plays at about 60% and lets me get one or two games, but he is typically messing around trying to hit some crazy drop shot or trick shot haha.

I watched a video the other day on NCAA website of the DIII mens singles championship and felt like they had a very similar game to mine, I would say top DIII and DII players would be around 4.5 and some of the lower courts 4.0. DI top schools aren't going to have a single 4.5 on their team, as I stated the guy named Wyatt is probably like a 6.0 and he wasn't even nearly the top singles player for Ohio States team!!

Pretty good summation above, jives with what I've experienced.
One point..... lost of guys can't handle playing against or with decent women players. They choke, they brainfreeze, they walkabout, I don't know, but they just don't play their game.
A few do play well, some even better than against male players.
My thinking, that guy who played a somewhat injured and out of shape woman's pro is really a pusher 3.5, no better.
YOU can call him 5.0, 4.5, or whatever. He's a 3.5 with no power.

Pretty good summation above, jives with what I've experienced.
One point..... lost of guys can't handle playing against or with decent women players. They choke, they brainfreeze, they walkabout, I don't know, but they just don't play their game.
A few do play well, some even better than against male players.
My thinking, that guy who played a somewhat injured and out of shape woman's pro is really a pusher 3.5, no better.
YOU can call him 5.0, 4.5, or whatever. He's a 3.5 with no power.

Yeah, some weak smart pusher was playing against a "6.5" level woman, slightly unjured and out of competitive shape. He won a couple games early, her mistakes, then she put her foot down and slaughtered him, as expected considering he had NO weapons whatsoever except to boop the ball back.

Yeah, some weak smart pusher was playing against a "6.5" level woman, slightly unjured and out of competitive shape. He won a couple games early, her mistakes, then she put her foot down and slaughtered him, as expected considering he had NO weapons whatsoever except to boop the ball back.

You could of gotten 3 or 4 games though per set because of your serve.

I"d settle for 1-3 games per set, and not just because of a serve.
You have to BACK the serve with something, not a poop ball moonie. You would have to volley sharp short CC, or go behind her once she figures you're going into the open court.
You have to vary your serves, going wide sometimes, but also into the hip pocket, to create doubt.
You'd have to play the best you can play, not choke against a girl like most guys seem to do.
You'd have to GO for your return of serves, because anything conservative puts HER into the driver's seat.
You'd have to make HER react to YOUR shots, instead of you fetching for her.

I hate to rehash an older post but there were a few posts about how would a 4.5 do against female pros.. and how would they do against a top 14 girls player etc..

I am a 4.5 and one of my common practice partners I play with is a top 100 nationally ranked junior in her age group. She is 17 years old. She hits the ball harder than any of the males that I play with. I have now played her in 6 matches and I have won all the matches losing 2 sets in the process. Our first set is typically very close like 6-4 but she usually implodes and its more 6-2 or 6-1 in the second.

I feel like she has better tools than I do and feel like she should be beating me, but she struggles with my serve and she doesn't have the patience to wait for the right shots. I am happy to be in a 20 ball rally where she wants the point over in 3-4 shots. Given that its pretty safe to say that most 4.5s would not stand a chance against a top 100 WTA player. We may be good enough to warm up with them and hit balls back and forth, but in a match situation we would most likely only win games if you have a huge serve that you could rely on.

I also play with a guy named Wyatt Lippert who played for Ohio State and currently does some challenger events, when he actually tries he would beat me 0 and 0 with no problem. I can get a few points off of him and may even get a game to deuce on my serve now and then but I just don't have the weapons to win the big points. He usually plays at about 60% and lets me get one or two games, but he is typically messing around trying to hit some crazy drop shot or trick shot haha.

I watched a video the other day on NCAA website of the DIII mens singles championship and felt like they had a very similar game to mine, I would say top DIII and DII players would be around 4.5 and some of the lower courts 4.0. DI top schools aren't going to have a single 4.5 on their team, as I stated the guy named Wyatt is probably like a 6.0 and he wasn't even nearly the top singles player for Ohio States team!!

I agree with most of what you've said, but top DII and DIII players that I've seen are 5.0 and up.

I hate to rehash an older post but there were a few posts about how would a 4.5 do against female pros.. and how would they do against a top 14 girls player etc..

I am a 4.5 and one of my common practice partners I play with is a top 100 nationally ranked junior in her age group. She is 17 years old. She hits the ball harder than any of the males that I play with. I have now played her in 6 matches and I have won all the matches losing 2 sets in the process. Our first set is typically very close like 6-4 but she usually implodes and its more 6-2 or 6-1 in the second.

I feel like she has better tools than I do and feel like she should be beating me, but she struggles with my serve and she doesn't have the patience to wait for the right shots. I am happy to be in a 20 ball rally where she wants the point over in 3-4 shots. Given that its pretty safe to say that most 4.5s would not stand a chance against a top 100 WTA player. We may be good enough to warm up with them and hit balls back and forth, but in a match situation we would most likely only win games if you have a huge serve that you could rely on.

I also play with a guy named Wyatt Lippert who played for Ohio State and currently does some challenger events, when he actually tries he would beat me 0 and 0 with no problem. I can get a few points off of him and may even get a game to deuce on my serve now and then but I just don't have the weapons to win the big points. He usually plays at about 60% and lets me get one or two games, but he is typically messing around trying to hit some crazy drop shot or trick shot haha.

I watched a video the other day on NCAA website of the DIII mens singles championship and felt like they had a very similar game to mine, I would say top DIII and DII players would be around 4.5 and some of the lower courts 4.0. DI top schools aren't going to have a single 4.5 on their team, as I stated the guy named Wyatt is probably like a 6.0 and he wasn't even nearly the top singles player for Ohio States team!!

I can assure you that Adam Putterman does not have a very similar game to yours. He would thrash you 0 and 0.

I agree with most of what you've said, but top DII and DIII players that I've seen are 5.0 and up.

I agree with that. Just my view - which could be wrong - almost all of the guys on top DI teams (let's say, top 50) are 5.5 and above - lots of 6.0s at this level. Middling DI players on middling DI teams are 4.5-5.0. As you note, top DII and DIII players are generally 5.0 and above - plenty of 5.5s at this level. Middling DII and DIII players are strong 4.0 to 4.5.

For some perspective, a guy I take lessons from was #1 on a good but not great DII team and was a 6.0 at the time... now between a 5.0 and a 5.5 at 41 years of age with a sometimes gimpy knee.

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