I had always heard that Christmas Camp in '93 was the first theme camp at Burning Man, but a little light reading on Laughing Squid turned up two possibly earlier camps: 1990's Fancy Camp by Vivian and Louise and 1991's Bolt Action Rifle Club.

Does anyone have any additional info on these early prehistoric days of Burning Man?

Not according to what I read on Laughing Squid's thread which consisted of a bunch of posts by Cacophony members who attended the 1990 Zone Trip No. 4. They were saying that "Fancy Camp" (1990) and Bolt Action Rifle Club (1991) preceded Christmas Camp (1993). Just was curious if any ePlayans date back to that far back and could confirm or deny.

Second question, though, of EXISTING camps, which one is the oldest? Barbie Death Camp? Thunderdome? Disorient?

96 was my first year and i remember rave camp being WAY THE FUCK OUT THERE...like 7 miles or so.

we were cruising in our jeep at about 110 mph and we hit a couple of ruts, i'm pretty sure, funny thing is the truck smelled like patchouli for DAYS afterwards and for some strange reason we found pot leaf fimo beads embedded in the grill.

theCryptofishist wrote:name dropping doesn't work when the audience has no bloody idea whom you're talking about.

Crypto, you weren't the target audience for my post, which was directed to people who actually know something about BM's early days. But since you jumped in, Kevin Evans, along with John Law, was the man behind Zone Trip #4 in 1990, which brought the Burning Man to the Black Rock Desert. I'm mildly amazed that after 18,000 posts on this Burning Man list, you don't know who Kevin Evans is.

Teo del Fuego wrote:Crypto, you weren't the target audience for my post, which was directed to people who actually know something about BM's early days. But since you jumped in, Kevin Evans, along with John Law, was the man behind Zone Trip #4 in 1990, which brought the Burning Man to the Black Rock Desert. I'm mildly amazed that after 18,000 posts on this Burning Man list, you don't know who Kevin Evans is.

Get over the past- I've never heard of him either, and I'm fairly well versed on the event & camp with 18 year Burners. He is a "was", not an "is" with the Event. Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.

He may have been important with Cacophony, but as the Burning Man aspect took over (quickly) he got lost to the dustbins of history as even John Law is now getting lost for younger Burners. Hell, I bet you could walk up to random Burners on the Esplanade and ask them the names of the Current Active Board Members other than Larry Himself and they probably wouldn't know who they are or what they do (or did). And that's fine- it's the way the world works

We all have knowledge that we think is or should be more common. It's not the fault of another person they don't know it.

Personally I'd like to know why the Compton Cafeteria riots are forgotten outside of SF, but Stonewall, which came later, is remembered. But I don't get pissy at someone I don't know for not having that knowledge.

It's a camping trip in the desert, not the redemption of the fallen world - Cryptofishist

Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.

two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.

Teo del Fuego wrote:Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.

Sorry TdF, the joys of the written word. I (mis)interpreted your response as talking down to her instead of just explaining who he is and why he's relevant to your original question.

I think if it had been answered in a "oh, he's....." manner I would have reacted differently. I love hearing about the early years- as I've said elsewhere on this board the first year I attempted to go was '91 (though it took me until '03 to actually make it), and I know, and camp with, people who've been going since at least '94.

It's a camping trip in the desert, not the redemption of the fallen world - Cryptofishist

Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.

two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.

LOL that is one thread that, no matter how much I try, I just don't understand. At all.

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Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.

two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.

LOL that is one thread that, no matter how much I try, I just don't understand. At all. :shock:

JK

It's a great excuse to use the "Mark All Threads Read" button.

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