been saying since day one half the content held back and sold on later instead of make the game and then additional stuff.

my respect for bungie has gone due to this and activision,well its whats we expect from them isnt it.

destiny could of been huge and one of the best games made imo but they killed it with half assed lore(seperate from game)and cutting a huge chunk of the game on release. that was probably alreayd on disc.

yeah it was pretty obvious from launch day they had taken chunks out. People still play it though some how which is beyond me as i got bored within a few days due to terrible story and mission design...

To me Bungie were never that good as I never really thought Halo was anything special and Destiny is the same for me nothing special.

nope.. more proof you assumed something you saw in a video almost 2 years before release was part of the main game when they said no such thing. it might as well have been a concept piece... you arent being sold a trailer at that point, its simply a teaser showing the tone of the game etc.

taken out? you mean never included dont you?

just because you didnt get something doesnt mean it was cut.. it was never included and was always planned as DLC (imo anyways)

DLC is planned along side the game... why is this shocking to anyone? im honestly confused lol

I tell u... I love playing this game.. But C'mon bungie.. Stop sticking it to us already!!! Bad enough were playing ur unfinished game.. Give us decent sufficient content already.. If HoW doesn't live up to the hype I'm done with u..

Not much hype yet. Today they are streaming the reef and how weapons will be upgraded on their twitch channel @ 2:00pm Eastern. We also really have no idea of the Arena. I have no hype right now, but just curiosity. I love destiny since I enjoy loot driven games, but this DLC needs to be beefier then TDB because May to September waiting for comet is going to be a long time.

Jesus Christ ! This is why you gamers against EA more than Activision. You guys should stop this in first place. Look, I understand it industry fault but the same thing with us. We should have stand up against all the odd, but no you guys just against one than another. Do you people ever learn ?

I don't think anybody expected Bungie to shaft people so badly. Still, I think the saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind. Simply put, Bungie's PR/Marketing team have their work cut out for them when they try to hype and ultimately sell Destiny 2.

At the time, there was a certain amount of raised eyebrows at the bungie/acti partnership but I think a lot of people believed that as bungie was not owned by acti there was still room to believe we would get a product up to the level of bungies expected quality.

When they announced the dlc, as with many other companies. they didn't bother stating WHAT exactly the dlc would contain... but again there was an expectation that being bungie it wouldn't be a pisstake.

Even after the game was released there were still people defending the game and saying wait for the DLC expansions. it's an MMO and you can't expect so much in the launch game..blah blah blah..

well know we have had our expansions people can see exactly what the game is about and just how badly the bungie/acti combo has affected such a promising title.

hopefully people will learn their lesson and vote with their wallets on Desinty 2.

I see your point and respect it. Yet, a lot of people just simply love this game. I am one of them. Don't get me wrong, I will not sit idly by and blindly defend it's shortcomings but for me, this is a solid game. Now, take into consideration that I LOVE fps and loot games, so I have a bias here. I feel for me, the amount of hours invested into the standard release was worth the $60. I also enjoyed the dark below and believe I got my money worth there as well.

With that said, the dark below was too bare. Sure, I continue to raid to get everything (I have received 3 crux of crotas which is rare to get, but ZERO graverobber's, the sparrow). I still do the nightfall and weekly to level up my factions, but outside of that, it's boring. I don't mind as I play other games while I wait for HoW, but the HoW better deliver. It NEEDS to be beefier, especially since they said they delayed it to make improvements. Really, I think we all know they delayed it to May to space out the gap between DLC from HoW to Comet in September.

Thing is Jeff, for many of us who have something negative to pick at with the game like myself, what I said is not based on blind hate or anything like that... it's more a response born of frustration.

The frustration being that the game could have been so much more.

There are people who say it was hyped to a level it simply could not achieve. I personally don't believe that as you point out, it's a sold game. from the graphics to it's gun play, sound effects, enemy design it is all very solid. The story was there, you could see that from the trailers and vidocs, the world could have been much bigger...

it fell short not for want of trying but more like it got there and then was deliberately kicked down a notch because of $$$. Self sabotage, and that is the painful part.

I love Bungie, Halo CE is my all time favorite fps campaign.

Activision again at one point they delivered COD4 which at the time was favorite MP experience.

The pedigree we are looking at with both companies, they have or could have had what it takes to make the most amazing game this Gen but they blew it.

Ya it's solid, it's as solid as a rock.... but it could have been a F"!^king Diamond!!

They probably had to cut a lot of stuff out to fit it on the 360 version just like final fantasy 13 and all because of Microsoft we had to wait an extra 2 years for a chopped up, cut and pasted version not truely knowing what kind of game it could of been.

Hmm... There's a lot of whiners here. I enjoy the game and all this pathetic bitching is retarded! Specially when you don't know what your talking about... Learn the facts before running your mouths or just stop playing the game and let the rest of enjoy your silence!

Identical? Identical? That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard in my life.

How do you know this? from about 3 seconds of footage in an old trailer?

If anyone here actually bothered to watch the stream, you would know that Bungie said themselves that they have had a prototype of The Reef for quite some time, and that they always knew they wanted to go there, and that House of Wolves was the perfect way to introduce it.

I am disappointed in Bungie. I loved the Destiny Beta, but didn't buy the released game because I thought I'd wait a couple of years and get the GOTY edition with everything included - but this is an appalling practice and at this point, along with Evolve, Destiny will never see my hard earned $$$

Edit: Also to anyone defending this by saying "it's not identical" it's been TWO years so of course there might be some minor changes but the fact is in 2013 it was obviously playable. It's not concept art in the teaser, it's got a guardian walking around!!!