Hi, Nick! *Please* don't forget that we really prefer new categories to be discussed before creation. There's already problems with Category:Bullying, which we need to delete and convert into a list, and now Being Elmo: A Puppeteer's Journey, which again is very random. Please next time, if you think a category is needed, discuss it first, since in many cases at best a list would better connect things. In this case, though, any appearances promoting the documentary can be listed on the documentary page. We don't need a category for it, or for Constance Marks, and so on.

Hi Nick! Thanks for helping to clean up the vandalism. Please don't leave taunting messages for him -- it just encourages him to come back and keep "playing" with us. Best thing is just to revert and forget.

I guess that's true, in retrospect. Does Wikia not have the feature where, when blocking, you can check a box and block the IP address that the person is using? It works quite well on Wikipedia in stopping most sockpuppets.

Yeah, we do. Unfortunately, sometimes folks have floating IPs, because they sign in from a service like AOL, so it's not a perfect system. You can also get around it by going to a friend's house, or the library, or whatever. So we block IPs for persistent people like the guy yesterday, but it's still possible to slip through once in a while.

I've spent a lot of time this morning cleaning up your edits. The latest Orange is a page you created for something that already exists on the wiki under The Muppets Gold Spot. Many of the pages you created today I had to clean up as they were sloppy at best. Please do a little research before creating an article. Find links to wikipedia or IMDb if they are an actor or actress. Please check links when you post them to make sure they are not dead links. Remember that pictures are 300px. Some pages today I noticed you had set at 200px. You make great contributions around here, but I spent all morning going through and trying to clean up a lot of your recent additions. Please try to be a little more careful in the future.

Nick, two similar reminders. One, please discuss before creating a new category. Two, and this is a major one, you've completely forgotten to alphabetize when you create new pages for people (last name, first; either after the category tag or through the defaultsort coding). This throws off our category alphabetization, and in many cases, it's ages before we discover it. So please be more careful. Thanks!

Can you please respond here on your message wall that you read both my post and Andrew's post. I noticed you created a new category for Murray Monster sketches, and while I don't disagree that it is needed it goes against what Andrew has asked of you.

Once again I am spending my day cleaning up your edits. You moved Live with Regis and Kelly to Live with Kelly, but made no adjustments to the article about the changes in name. You've created multiple pages which are one or two sentences in length. etc.

To answer the most recent issues first, yes, I created a category. But if you look at the edit history, it's to replace "Murrary Monster Sketches". That misspelling has been hanging around unfixed since the category was created in January.

As per Live!, I was making sure that the Upcoming template linked to more information, as opposed to nowhere. It's unfortunate that I didn't think to change the intro, but my concern was with the upcoming appearances.

As per articles with one or two sentences in length, so? Would you rather me ramble at length about "The Marilyn Denis Show", for example? Personally, I'd rather think that the article should only contain base information about the program (sentence one) and information about the upcoming appearance (sentence two), and only once there is an appearance should it be longer.

Hi, Nick! I know we aren't perfect, it;s just because this trend has been going on for months now. You don't have to use default sort of course, you can just alphabetize. And the whole point in asking you to do so, as I mentioned, is *because* we don't always catch the error in the categories, so it helps tons if the person starting it, especially when they're cerating multiplearticles at a time as you tend to, does so. Pointing out edits that we missed as well doesn't really make sense as a reason not to do so.

It sounds like you're rather peeved by our reminders. They're not meant to be harsh, it's just that from an experienced editor such as yourself, with years on the Wiki and great work on Wikipedia, things such as this surprise us. And the research problem isn't new either,. since frankly you do have some difficulty at times processing accurately what's in the sources you read.

And as for default sizes, instead of making it a Wikia thing, is it really that hard to remember?

As for appearances, if there's no more than two sentences to say, and the appearance hasn't happened yet, then make sure you add the {{dev}} tag on top. That makes it clear that it's something announced which hasn't happened and makes it clearer why there are no real details beyond a press announcement.

Again, please don't take it personally. Frankly we should have brought these issues up earlier and I didn't expect you to be so angered by it.

Hope all is well with you and that you enjoy the movie when you see it!

Bah, wall makes it impossible to fix the tag issues, but you get the point. Again, please don't take any of this as a personal attack. Yes, nobody is perfect and we all need reminders. That's the whole reason we mentioned them in the first place (and prompt checking of walls really does make one aware of concerns, since otherwise, well, you just don't know; again, it's something we've all been through). Thanks! Have a great day!

The only thing I want to add here is that the Default sort tag is a very nice thing, but if you notice on the edits you pointed out (and others where you added it), the editors who placed the article in the category used a manual sort option by placing a "|last name, first name" after the category title. It's a little longer way of doing things, but a helpful tool in the cases where the default sort can't be used for reasons of different alphabetizing methods in some categories (a rare thing, but something I do quite often on here). Otherwise I just want to back up what Andrew said, we aren't personally attacking, just trying to keep the wiki up to really great standards that we have all set.

Hi guys -- I just saw this thread now... I think we're being a little tough on each other here. There are times when a contributor makes mistakes which can be a pain to clean up, but having the information that they provide on the wiki makes up for it. For example, Henrik doesn't write in perfect English, but we're really grateful for his Sesamstrasse episode guide pages. It's a lot easier for the native English speakers to proofread the Sesamstrasse guides than it would be for us to find and translate all the episodes!

In a similar way, Nick goes and finds a lot of up-to-the-minute news stuff, which is especially helpful these days, with so much new Muppets promotion every day, and new Sesame episodes. Some of his pages are better than others, but I'm glad he's here and contributing everything that he does.

So we don't want to be too rough on Nick. It's totally fair to remind him to add the picture size or IMDB links. I think saying "I've spent all morning cleaning up after you," is kind of harsh. We all clean up after each other; I've made my share of mistakes, and so has everyone on this thread. :) I think we can focus on the specific mistakes while still appreciating everyone's contributions.

Hi Nick -- It's awesome that you found some Shara'a Simsim info! The basic page didn't have much on it, so I took the liberty of merging the three pages you'd made and just making those sections on the show page.

I saw that you added this to the main page: "Palestinian co-production Shara'a Simsim has been halted, with USAID removed by Congress." That info isn't on the show page yet -- do you still have the reference?

Yeah, I just reminded you because I happened to notice it on several of your recently created pages (thanks for starting Geni Sackson, by the way; something I've been meaning to do for ages. I've been doing a lot of audio research lately, so I'm filling in the blanks).

Also, remember new discussions (and the talk template) go at the top of talk pages (I know it's partly from Wikipedia work, and the fact that we're using the forum walls for most new discussions can confuse things).

By complete accident, I stumbled on Glen-Warren Productions Limited, which is a good example of how good writing can save an otherwise fairly dull page. The two connections are fine but if that was all, it would be dull. But in listing other projects taped or filmed at the facility, I found what I consider to be your finest piece of writing on the Wiki, Nick:
"iconic Canadian dog-saves-random-person-and-moves-on-series The Littlest Hobo"
That's hilarious, accurate, and really the best summation of the series (that or "if The Fugitive or David Banner had needed flea shots," but that's too POV for our style; yours was exactly our wry but still within bounds spice we like to use). So extremely belated but I had to congratulate you (I checked the history to see who wrote that).

Hi, Nick! Back in August, you added this to J. G.: "Nathan Danforth performs him in an Easter egg." It's been tagged for citation since then since you didn't specify which easter egg, and there's some confusion as to whether you meant puppeteering or voice only. Can you clarify that on the page? Thanks!

Thanks for responding! Yeah, I'll check with him but I think you misread it, since it's not the exact quote. Julian's statement was that "Nathan Danforth appears with J. G." in an easter egg. That's not the same as saying he performed him (some other bonus features have had cameos by Muppeteers on-camera, i.e. Bill Barretta with Joe the Armadillo in Kermit's Swamp Years).

In fact, I just re-read and he specifies that "Danforth also appears on camera."

Hi, Nick! What were your sources for Thomas Sanford? Personal correspondence or Facebook? If so, can you try to dig up the specific e-mails or dates?

I have a scan of the first SS Live tour cast myself, and I presume the others are similarly verifiable, and his resume at Explore Talent (ultra brief) mentions the wedding scene in The Muppets Take Manhattan. But did he tell you that he performed Beth and Sam specifically? Is that the source for the anecdote about replacing an injured performer? Otherwise, if the source was an article, you need to cite it (Google search turned up nothing except us and sites which copied from us).