Originally posted by illuminatislave
First of all, you seem to believe that the "poor" are just a bunch of lazy colored folks that sit around and do drugs all day on the public dime.
There are people receiving assistance that work their ASSES off just to make ends meet and provide for their families, and they have dullards
screaming "oh cut them off!". You are beyond ignorant and more than likely, you've lived a sheltered existence.

You're so wrong, it's pathetic.

Perpetuating their conditions would be to cut them off of everything and have them thrown in the streets, where then in turn people will become
desperate and crime and violence will increase. I don't know about you, but I'd like to live in a society where my car window isn't being smashed
into or my house isn't being broken into.

The welfare state has been around for HOW many generations? Yeah, it's done alot of good.

You're all for corporate welfare, but when your countryman needs a hand you hold your nose up without even the slightest clue or regard for
their position.

Um, please find that quote. As far as I've seen, Obama and the progressive ilk are doing more for corporate welfare than anyone else. (Can you say
GE?)

If this country was run on the up and up, if there were liveable wages being paid, jobs to be had, and equal opportunities, there would be no
need for entitlements. But guess what? It isn't. So take a step out of your dream world, realize that everyone isn't born with a silver spoon in
their mouths, and stop favoring corporations over your fellow COUNTRYMEN.

Then tell your president to stop favouring GE and others and to get out of the way of businesses who want to grow and hire.

You are nothing but an extremist. No. I'm just for giving everyone a chance. Not seting them up to live a sad life dependent on the government.

Yeah, i'm the extremist! I support poor people being able to vote? OMG!!! Call me an extremist all day....hell...might as well call the majority
of americans extremists as well. But hmm...if most are extremists in your eyes....what does that mean?

COULD THAT MEAN THAT POSSIBLY YOU MAY BE THE EXTREMIST AND EVERYONE ELSE IS NOT?
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Why not try debating instead of name calling. It works better that way. Unless you're SEIU. . . that is. . . .

Sorry, I have a problem restraining myself when debating with people that hold fictitious corporate entities in a higher regard than their fellow
countrymen.

So, get back to the point. You're in here falsely calling Obama a "progressive" when his record says that he's a servant of the big business elites.
It makes you sound foolish.

Even your god and savior Ron Paul has called Obama a "corporatist", not a leftist or some kind of progressive socialist. Actually pay attention to
something aside from a Fox News talking point and maybe these debates will get somewhere.

The extreme right is engaged in an all out class war with the poor. They feel that the poor are a drain on society. (even the working class poor) and
they would love nothing more than to put them into labor camps or sell them off into slavery to the richest 1%.

That is why they are working on eliminating the 14th Amendment, that way those that cannot afford to be legal Americans will have their rights
stripped from them and then they will be sold into bondage to the elite.

Ben Franklin (paraphrasing) warned us that when we learned we could legislate money to ourselves we would and the Republic would be hard to hold. The
poor vote for people who give them free money just like the rich vote for people who let them keep what they have earned and in some cases stolen.
The law should include all citizens of all backgrounds but I would like these caveates.

If you are deemed healthy, and a working age person who lives off of the Government dole without returning something to society in some form of a
recognizable job or work, you should not vote. We realize that you would be insane to vote against the free money. We would be asking an addicted
person to leave their addiction at the door while putting them in front of it. To make it a level playing field there will be no political donations
allowed to candidates. This will stop the lobbying money backed by the aristrocrat class from having easy access to power and to our elected ones they
seem to own lock stock and barrel right now . A candidate will get a petition signed by neighbors to run for office. Then the media will provide free
access with across the board policies on exposure of candidates. In turn, the media outlet's license to broadcast on anything but shortwave would be
based on this. Also, any candidate or elected official (who are highly paid already IMHO), if caught taking money worth more than some set amount that
is deemed reasonable like 100$, whether from some corporation or private individual before, during, or after public service will be prosecuted for
high crimes and stripped of their fancy pensions. Once you accept the candidacy that leads to your election you withdraw your right to accept major
gifts, period.

These things will stop the takover of the US by fascist/Totalitarian communisitic interests. Freedom from tyranny requires our due diligence in
ridding these clowns of their hold on our soverienty.

This is so typical. As they, (GOP/TP) continually accuse the progressives of instigating "Class Warfare," the actual truth comes out. It is they,
(GOP/TP) who are actually initiating the "Class Warfare" upon the poor and middle class and they've been doing so for quite some time.

Actually this man and the mentality he perpetuates, is quite disgraceful and nothing could be more anti-american. If we are to agree that our
government is intended to be representative of it's people, then it only makes sense that if more of the population is made up of poor and middle
income people then they should have more representatives speaking in their behalf within our government.

Oh, good grief. I really wish ya'll could get past the name calling. It's really below ya'll. I have seen just about all of you have perfectly
rational and intelligent conversations without resorting to name calling.

I find it very obvious that there definately IS a corporatacracy in the USA. And the Media is trying hard to keep the mask of "Democracy" from being
pulled off of that corporatacracy.

“Qu’ils mangent de la brioche” (Let them eat cake!)

There is a segment of the political populous that are so elitest as to forget their place in the world. It is very true that the poor will vote
towards their own interests (although that does not necessarilly mean more entitlements) -- so will the middle class and the rich. The ultra rich
don't need to vote, they just buy the politicians.

The American dream is dead. It was left on the side of the road as a wasted and burnt out hulk sacrificed to the Gods of "Earnings Reports" and "Net
Profits". If we don't collectivelly pull our heads out of our waste disposal units, we will ALL be poor except for those that are already rich. We
will ultimately have nothing more than an oligarchy and return to feudalism.

Disagreement and debate is healthy and overall very good. Name calling and other attacks are just a lazy way to avoid actually thinking about the
questions.

Never let your buttons get pushed. It is a form of control. You dont need to let people have that kind of control over you.

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