I am trying to draw and render a Concinnity faucet handle since they are out of business and I might try to have one made by machine shop or 3D Printing.

My problem is that I cannot attach the arms smoothly to the handle base. I have included the arm and upper profile in the attached TC2016 drawing along with embedded jpg’s of the handle.

If you look at the elevation jpg, the upper base profile seems to be rounded, but the plan view shows that the base is squared off between handles.

I can profile and spin the base. Then I subtracted a squared off reverse profile from the 4 quadrants to get a “rounded square”.The arms, however, are giving me the problem. If I profile them, when I spin them I get a self intersecting error because the upper part and the lower half are not symmetrical. I tried spinning the upper and lower halves, cutting them along the axis and connecting both halves. Still not a smooth blend.

Have coped with this for 2 weeks now and cannot come up with a workable solution. Thoughts??

I do have a question about filleting. I noticed that fillet blending was referenced by Andy and John. One of the options on my TC2016 fillet tool is blend edges with "points defining fillet radius". Is this what you are referencing or is just straight out filleting? If the former, exactly how does that work in this instance.

A second question. I don't have the lightworks add-in for my TC2016 and would like to render the drawing. I tried to save the drawing to TC17 in several "save as" formats, but none seem to open with TC17 without a filter error. Is there a compatible format? I tried the TC19 and autocad formats, but that didn't work.

JohnThanks again for the response. Tried several saved formats and none of them loaded into TC17. Even cutting and pasting was a problem and gave various filter missing errors. In fact, it seemed that each time I tried cut and paste, I lost some layers. Don't know why.

Andy H.Did not try too much with RedSDK. The brass, when rendered, looked too orange. I've worked more with lightworks, although I find it to be very complicated and confusing. I like the rendering in TC17 after overcoming the problems listed above.

I may bite the bullet and buy the add-in. Disappointed that Turbocad did not include this in the package.

Darrel,Loved the rendering. Can you attach the dwg so I can investigate and learn? Any tips would also be appreciated.

John,Could not save file as a dwg in my TC2016 and open it in TC17 without error. Also couldn't drag and drop. Had a power outage and when I rebooted TC2016 I got an error msg. Now the program seems to be operating properly. I think the original file was corrupted somehow.

FYI - The hot and cold caps are embossed brass buttons that insert into the top opening via an o ring.

Out of curiosity, I sense that Turbocader's are always on the lookout for geometric items that they can draw and render.

When working with a real item as the Concinnity handle, how do others work out the drawing?

I have been using digital calipers where I can measure and also imported photos into TC and tried to measure curves and angles to scale. The Concinnity handle was a problem because my photos were somewhat skewed and the left arm not the same TC dimensions as the right arm, etc..

FYI - The hot and cold caps are embossed brass buttons that insert into the top opening via an o ring.

Out of curiosity, I sense that Turbocader's are always on the lookout for geometric items that they can draw and render.

When working with a real item as the Concinnity handle, how do others work out the drawing?

I have been using digital calipers where I can measure and also imported photos into TC and tried to measure curves and angles to scale. The Concinnity handle was a problem because my photos were somewhat skewed and the left arm not the same TC dimensions as the right arm, etc..

Just curious!

I use pretty much the same technique. And often I adjust the scale of the imported photo and trace it.

My test here in TC2018 Lightworks to get close to the quality/settings as RedSDK....The Brass Material in Lightworks I used physically correct values in the "Glossy Metal" Shader for the Refraction and Absorption values using the refractiveindex.info website and the diffuse to add the laquered brass effect over the top...

Knute971...

Yes I also use the method of using photos and physically measuring a product if possible...

FYI - The hot and cold caps are embossed brass buttons that insert into the top opening via an o ring.

Out of curiosity, I sense that Turbocader's are always on the lookout for geometric items that they can draw and render.

When working with a real item as the Concinnity handle, how do others work out the drawing?

I have been using digital calipers where I can measure and also imported photos into TC and tried to measure curves and angles to scale. The Concinnity handle was a problem because my photos were somewhat skewed and the left arm not the same TC dimensions as the right arm, etc..

BTW, where did you get the photo? My handle has a serrated ring at the bottom that slides into the shower stem. Ours has stripped. Maybe this might be a replacement?

The handles are slightly different for the shower and the faucets. The shower handle is .567" OD and .4275" ID. The serrations are more difficult to gauge since they are stripped, but a 3/8", 13 tooth, box wrench allows us to run the shower. Not very elegant, but it works until I find another option. Unfortunately, we have 2 Concinnity shower faucets and 3 sink faucets. Repair parts are difficult to find since they are out of business.

My test here in TC2018 Lightworks to get close to the quality/settings as RedSDK....The Brass Material in Lightworks I used physically correct values in the "Glossy Metal" Shader for the Refraction and Absorption values using the refractiveindex.info website and the diffuse to add the laquered brass effect over the top...

Knute971...

Yes I also use the method of using photos and physically measuring a product if possible..."

Cool Daz

Attached is my attempt to capture the "ambience" in the reference photo that K posted above.

The pictures, both as jpg and png's, were well below size limits. Even the ones that you posted from Drop box total 828 KB total. For some reason, my postings as jpg or png's just don't go regardless of size.

In fact, the size restrictions posted for the website are confusing! "maximum total size 999999999KB, maximum individual size 999999999KB".I get a headache counting 9's.

Thanks for the Concinnity link in eBay, but I think that the brass handle is gone, only the nickel or pewter are listed. I do see a number of ceramic cartridges that might work with my faucets. Thanks again.

I have been trying to get a decent rendering either with my TC17 and lightworks or TC2016 with Redsdk, but cannot reach the level of sophistication that have been demonstrated here.

I would appreciate any guidance the board could give me in either format. When I look at the multiple parameters I really can't get a logical approach since there are too many things to change and they all seem to be in a different language. Trying to change one parameter at a time is useless, frustrating and time consuming.

I also like Darrel's background environment, but have not the proper selection.

I have been trying to get a decent rendering either with my TC17 and lightworks or TC2016 with Redsdk, but cannot reach the level of sophistication that have been demonstrated here.

I would appreciate any guidance the board could give me in either format. When I look at the multiple parameters I really can't get a logical approach since there are too many things to change and they all seem to be in a different language. Trying to change one parameter at a time is useless, frustrating and time consuming.

I also like Darrel's background environment, but have not the proper selection.