No, Lotus needs to put him on the sidelines for the remainder of the season. Then work with him over the winter, possibly involving a former F1 driver as a mental coach. Much like Alex Wurz is doing at Williams.

He has the speed but not the race-craft and spatial awareness. I do like Grosjean but he hasn't learnt from the last ban. I doubt he will learn from another ban. He is single handedly ruining a promising F1 career by getting into far too many incidents. This is costing the team dearly and I think a replacement would be appropriate for next season.

I think the time has come to say,1 more 1st lap incident and your fired or the FIA must ban him for the rest of the season which would be as good as being fiored anyway because Lotus wont risk him for next year.

if only you had taken into account the context of the season so far...

Why would I care about that, if you've come looking for evenhandedness you've come to the wrong person? Need an Alonso ban, a Vettel DNF and solid Hamilton and Raikkonen performances to get the game open again.

I doubt it, if he hasn't learnt from the first one. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt and thought the ban was a bit harsh considering what Maldonado has done - and not recieved one - but it really is happening far too often to be funny...

I doubt it, if he hasn't learnt from the first one. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt and thought the ban was a bit harsh considering what Maldonado has done - and not recieved one - but it really is happening far too often to be funny...

Not a race ban, the FIA really should consider revoking his superlicence. It would not have been the first such example (Ide), and he has enough pre-F1 collision history to show that he is not just someone with a lot of bad luck.

I am all for a ban. It has to be drilled into his head that he has to use the brakes more judiciously, especially when he's around other cars in lap 1. In all my years of watching F1, I dont remember watching a driver causing so many accidents which such alarming regularity.

if only you had taken into account the context of the season so far...

True... But if Grosjean @spa deserves a race ban, then Alonso@Suzuka should deserve *something* (a reprimand, a 1 place penalty, his best time stripped of qualy at Korea, a fine... *something*)

But what happened IMO is that Grosjean was heavily penalized not only for what he did, but because of whom he took out (he did it before at Monaco, no actions taken). Had he (Grosjean) taken out Perez, Kobayashi, Hulkenberg, Buemi or the like instead of Hamilton or Alonso, I suspect he would not have had his suspension but a different penalty.

Romain is not a bad driver but he will need to work on his spatial awarenessMaybe a week in the simulator or with the PS3 practicing startsAnother ban won't help but perhaps the FiA should let him know in private that another first lap incident will mean the end of his season

I don't know that more time on a PS3 will help out - wasn't there a case of a goalkeeper (David James?) that it was claimed had issues with depth perception from playing too many computer games early in his career? Perhaps that's Grosjean's problem - he has been playing too much PS3 and drives accordingly like he's in a computer game?

I find this so funny just last race in Singapore Webber was saying before the start about Grosjean “Yeah, he’s okay. He knows I’ve a good right hook on me so he will stay away from me,” he joked. “He better put his sneakers on if he hits me.”

And one race later here they are with Grosjean hitting Webber at the start of the race. I wonder if Webber's gonna show him the right hook.

He's not a school boy, you know? He's a grown up man who is paid millions to be one of the biggest sport stars on the planet.

Firstly he is not paid "millions" (£800,000). Secondly, if you truly believe being paid lots of money and being "grown up" means you can't have self doubt about your own performance & require reassurance then you are very, very naive. It very common even in a "normal" job with far less pressure.

I've watched my fair share of GP2 races and I have no recollection of him being especially bad at starts. He's just been overly optimistic in this season and THIS accident I believe is actually a result of him trying too hard not to crash into Perez, now that he knows everyone is out to get him. By now I think he's actually scared of doing starts.

Firstly he is not paid "millions" (£800,000). Secondly, if you truly believe being paid lots of money and being "grown up" means you can't have self doubt about your own performance & require reassurance then you are very, very naive. It very common even in a "normal" job with far less pressure.

This is not a normal job. This is Formula 1 where only the toughest guys should survive.

This is not a normal job. This is Formula 1 where only the toughest guys should survive.

Thats a very outdated way of looking at things, try reading "Overdrive: F1 In The Zone", mind management in any competitive environment is crucial, to say you just need to toughen up etc is very naive.

I can't see how banning a driver who made a mistake can help him to learn anything.

It's like asking a child to go out of the classroom because he didn't know how to answer a question. How will he answer the next time?

Give grid penalty but as long as someone didn't crash on purpose, ban is the most stupid to do

You can't give someone a grid penalty or a stop and go penalty after you have given them a race ban for the same ****ing thing. Also he is an adult Formula One professional race driver, not a child in a classroom for ****s sake.

You can't give someone a grid penalty or a stop and go penalty after you have given them a race ban for the same ****ing thing. Also he is an adult Formula One professional race driver, not a child in a classroom for ****s sake.

And he's on his second shot at F1, after a rather disasterous first time round - although to be fair, that wasn't the best of team situations to be in. But I would be surprised if considering he's got complete backing from Total and managed by his Team Principal that he wasn't recieving enough support and reassurance this time round...

Would he learn from another ban? He didn't learn from the last one this is quite clear. The guy just can't use his eyes let alone formulate a 3D picture of what is around him.

Does he deserve another ban? Yes. But as JOhnny Herbert said this needs to be taken out of the FIA's hands by the GPDA or the team. The guy is quick and talented but most of his brain fades are of such a base level that he has proven he can't race at this level, it's just too dangerous.

I would almost say he needs some more time in GP2 but he has already spent plenty of years there. He clearly has the ability required, just needs to control himself better.

I wonder if there is anything they can do with the simulator to allow him to develop more awareness in these situations. It is a shame, as he seems good once he gets past the first couple of laps, so if there is a remedy other than a ban or losing his drive, it would make sense.

I wonder if there is anything they can do with the simulator to allow him to develop more awareness in these situations. It is a shame, as he seems good once he gets past the first couple of laps, so if there is a remedy other than a ban or losing his drive, it would make sense.

This can't go on, however.

Don't know for certain but I was under the impression the simulators are for testing purposes only as a single car alone on the track. Maybe if the other drivers got together and raced at the same time LAN party style it might help. I somehow doubt they'd be willing to help though given he's ruined half of their races.

He could get onto iRacing to get more wheel to wheel experience maybe? Or at least karting.

Don't know for certain but I was under the impression the simulators are for testing purposes only as a single car alone on the track. Maybe if the other drivers got together and raced at the same time LAN party style it might help. I somehow doubt they'd be willing to help though given he's ruined half of their races.

He could get onto iRacing to get more wheel to wheel experience maybe? Or at least karting.

Yes, I have the same impression, but maybe they (Lotus) could do something about it. Either that, or they may have to replace him.

It is possible that junior formulae don't provide much training in these aspects of racecraft, as the future F1 drivers are likely to be starting at the front. The reversal of the first 8 places on GP2 grids for the Sunday races is the exception, of course (only now do I realise why this is a good idea).