U.S. to Recognize Jerusalem as Israels Capital

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Now what's the next step in your master plan?

No, you pour gasoline on it and toss a match. If you leave the hornets' nest there somebody is going to get stung sooner or later regardless of how far you go out of your way to not piss off the hornets. They start pissed off.

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That is also what he has promised. And Trump also has a very strong connection Jewish people not only because of his Jewish family members. Again Prob terrible Time and political decision but on a human and morrally standpoint it is understandable IMO.

Yeah, this decision shouldn't surprise anyone. And more than anything, people talking about a violent response as some kind of undesired side effect instead of his intent in doing this have a naive world view. He's expecting a violent response and that's partly why he did it.

While this could be one of the reasons for this. I do not think it is the main reason. As I said before Trump cares about Jewish people and presidents before him also wanted to do this. This is also not something you do for the heck of it. This needs serious plannings as well. People try to think that he does this just because he is Trump. If this is the first big thing he promised to do in his election that does not seem like a reaction.

You forgot that also Obama wanted to do this. In the last 20 years every US President wanted to do this. And there are also people who see this as a chance for peace. It all depends now how the violent fractions of Muslims will react to this. Do you really believe that except the radical site muslims would care eitherway?

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You forgot that also Obama wanted to do this. In the last 20 years every US President wanted to do this. And there are also people who see this as a chance for peace. It all depends now how the violent fractions of Muslims will react to this. Do you really believe that except the radical site muslims would care eitherway?

Anyway, I have never understood the Jewish 'right' to Isreal. Countries and borders have changed over time, all conquering civilizations have displaced or absorbed entire ethnic groups and societies....yet we always end up on this 'but God gave Isreal and Judea to the Jews.'

I have no idea how this became a thing that a 3000yr old text is somehow relevant to geopolitics in the 21st century. There are indigenous people that exhausted for over 50 thousand years that were displaced in the past 400yrs that would get laughed at for even trying to argue for country back, but for some reason Isreal is the only country I can think of where they actively displaced an ethnic group in the past century on the notion that that land belonged to them thousands of years ago.

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Anyway, I have never understood the Jewish 'right' to Isreal. Countries and borders have changed over time, all conquering civilizations have displaced or absorbed entire ethnic groups and societies....yet we always end up on this 'but God gave Isreal and Judea to the Jews.'

I have no idea how this became a thing that a 3000yr old text is somehow relevant to geopolitics in the 21st century. There are indigenous people that exhausted for over 50 thousand years that were displaced in the past 400yrs that would get laughed at for even trying to argue for country back, but for some reason Isreal is the only country I can think of where they actively displaced an ethnic group in the past century on the notion that that land belonged to them thousands of years ago.

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Yeah, this decision shouldn't surprise anyone. And more than anything, people talking about a violent response as some kind of undesired side effect instead of his intent in doing this have a naive world view. He's expecting a violent response and that's partly why he did it.

Even Trump said there is no other solution than a 2 state one. Again if there is now violence I would blame the radical Islam for it. But that is just me. And yes I am maybe a bit biased since I am German.

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But this also goes for the other side. Again the only ones really angry about this are radical Muslims. Should we just listen to them so they shut up and be peaceful?

Example Erdogan: He just went to Greece and was talking how the borders are not acceptable anymore and that they want some areas "back" Should we listen to the Iran and Hamas who are both far from reasonable voices in anything.

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But this also goes for the other side. Again the only ones really angry about this are radical Muslims. Should we just listen to them so they shut up and be peaceful?

Example Erdogan: He just went to Greece and was talking how the borders are not acceptable anymore and that they want some areas "back" Should we listen to the Iran and Hamas who are both far from reasonable voices in anything.

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Even Trump said there is no other solution than a 2 state one. Again if there is now violence I would blame the radical Islam for it. But that is just me. And yes I am maybe a bit biased since I am German.

My conclusion so far is that my former classmates are hardly representative of US Jewish community. (perhaps while most of them spent quite a while in Israel, including IDF)
I'll still give them benefit of a doubt and will wait for sources debunking these number. Will post it here, if I find it reputable.

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I can only hope since a ton of mosques here in Germany also financed and controlled by Saudi Arabia. Lets just hope for the best. In this regard I think even if its a dangerous move its also a chance for peace minus radical islamists of course.

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38k people are quite a lot to get actual statistics. This is how it works. And yes it is based on the radicalization of Islam raiging in the 60s and 70s. People get manipulated in Mosquese and Imam's teaching their radical beliefs. To blame it on social standings is pretty naive in my opinion.

Ok how about another survey in which 40% of young Muslims born in the UK are in favor of the Sahria as offical law. Whats really dangerous is the radicalization of the youth. Just watch this how the situation in Germany is right now. It was aired in I think 2015 on a very central TV station. Its not some fox bullshit or Breitbart but rather facts regarding the Islam in Germany.

You're not comprehending what I am saying. I am not saying that a sample size of 38K is not large enough. I'm saying that the manner of how you pose a question can massively impact how a person response. The takeaway is that you need to take surveys with a grain of salt. They can show a tendency or a pattern or give some interesting observations, but from that alone you cannot conclude that 2 billion people are radical islamists. It's disingenious, insulting and dangerous. Furthermore, over half the people in that survey said sharia should only apply to muslims and many where progressive and conservative about vastly different things.

It's such a tone deaf, generalizing and lazy conclusion to draw from that I am struggling to find an explanation for that you are not trolling, or that you're a giant closet racist. Muslims are not a monolithic entity, and you taking questionable surveys at face value to derive a political agenda is beyond dumb- It's insulting.

Anyway, I have never understood the Jewish 'right' to Isreal. Countries and borders have changed over time, all conquering civilizations have displaced or absorbed entire ethnic groups and societies....yet we always end up on this 'but God gave Isreal and Judea to the Jews.'

I have no idea how this became a thing that a 3000yr old text is somehow relevant to geopolitics in the 21st century. There are indigenous people that exhausted for over 50 thousand years that were displaced in the past 400yrs that would get laughed at for even trying to argue for country back, but for some reason Isreal is the only country I can think of where they actively displaced an ethnic group in the past century on the notion that that land belonged to them thousands of years ago.

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And I gave you sources and articles staing its true and not unfounded. How is this not clear? Also there is a probably and that you can argue about it so it means it debatable. And this has nothing to do with racism. Islam or religion in general is something you choose not something you are born with.

You made racist statement and you have not backed it up at all. Statement below again. It has nothing to do with reality. It's simply fearmogering and racism. There no amount of "articles" that would back this up.

I'm not arguing with you about the statement being a fact. It's obviously not true (Hey Nazis weren't so great either!). I'm arguing that you made a racist statement and you refuse even for a second to reconsider it.

1. Muslims are probably Number 1 at oppressing others through out history. Let us not forget this. I am sorry I give you the white men and we can argue who is worse in this regard but Muslims did not better and most importantly they are doing it today like they did before.

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Hey man, I can't exactly shit on their strategy to dump islam's undesirables onto the laps of the rest of the world, especially when the media doesn't dare call out SA for their empty refugee camps lol.

Destabilize the competition while slowly priming your own population for success in global society, they're killing it.

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You made racist statement and you have not backed it up at all. Statement below again. It has nothing to do with reality. It's simply fearmogering and racism. There no amount of "articles" that would back this up.

I'm not arguing with you about the statement being a fact. It's obviously not true (Hey Nazis weren't so great either!). I'm arguing that you made a racist statement and you refuse even for a second to reconsider it.

If you can not read the articles I posted or the sources I quoted it is not my problem. And honestly I do not care if this is a racist statement in your opinion because when it is the truth why should I not say it?

I personally consider Christianity and Islam as the ideologies who were (Islam still is) are the most vile form of oppressors through out history and I backed up this claim. And no it is #notallmuslim but a vast majority of it since I again showed with the pew research which consists of 15 pages full of statistics to back up my claims.

So maybe just maybe it is your turn now to show that I am wrong with other statistics and maybe then we can have a discussion about it.