The U.S has officially asked the E.U for assistence with energy reserves and other commodities. This seems a short step away from asking the U.N for assistence in an official manner.

By being stretched so thin...the government could argue that "terrorists" callously used the U.S peoples suffering as a cover to get in and set off a nuke. Already their is chaos. It seems that with a series of events they could possibly pull it off.

The point will be to carry the argument that local U.S law enforcement and National Gaurd CANNOT contain the situation and FOREIGN TROOPS will be required to restore services and order.

This happened in Roman times when a large band of escaped slaves formed an Army and roamed Italy plundering for a couple of years until several Roman Legions could get back from recent conquests to restore order.

As I watch things unfold I get the feeling something more is to come. Something quite specific. This is a VERY oppurtune moment and the globalists would NEVER waste it.

Also...the situation that befell New Orleans is being called COMPLETELY EXPECTED. I would like to know how it is that the levee broke in only 2 places? How is that? You build to EXTREME specs...why did'nt it hold? What were the special circumstances? Another WTC 7?

freeman

09-03-2005, 06:58 AM

As I watch things unfold I get the feeling something more is to come. Something quite specific. This is a VERY oppurtune moment and the globalists would NEVER waste it.

I have the exact same feeling. It makes me wish that my lifetime batting average in terms of predicting these events was lower.

Also...the situation that befell New Orleans is being called COMPLETELY EXPECTED. I would like to know how it is that the levee broke in only 2 places? How is that? You build to EXTREME specs...why did'nt it hold? What were the special circumstances? Another WTC 7?

A Popular Science article from May of this year pretty much predicted the current catastrophe. It also revealed that the Army Corps of engineers had been studying the levee problem and were well-versed in its weaknesses and what would have been needed to upgrade it.
So, in other words, the weaknesses in the New Orleans flood control system would have been common knowledge to anyone who bothered to investigate.

(For some reason, the online link to the PS article won't copy for me. Any assistance would be appreciate, fellow CC members.) :-)

09-03-2005, 07:54 AM

"Also...the situation that befell New Orleans is being called COMPLETELY EXPECTED. I would like to know how it is that the levee broke in only 2 places? How is that? You build to EXTREME specs...why did'nt it hold? What were the special circumstances? Another WTC 7?"

It was built to withstand only a Category 3 Hurricane is what they're saying.

Someone said it broke from the bottom. I don't know much about levees, but what is so strange about that?

Is there any footage of NO right after the hurricane when they thought they dodged a bullet and the levee had held?

igwt

09-03-2005, 03:36 PM

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/

Cloak Exclusive!

by Tom Heneghan
Filed 9/2/05

SECOND BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) sabotaged the levee. So say more than 25 eyewitnesses, primarily but not exclusively blacks. Some weather-warfare experts contend Hurricane Katrina was man-made, created and directed by the latest technology and high-level treachery.

On the ground and in helicopters, FEMA operatives have vowed to identify and snuff out the finger-pointers. But, like the War of 1812, amid British-instigated violence, a French and American alliance is protecting brave Americans.

Will Bush/FEMA treason be exposed? Stay tuned.

truebeliever

09-03-2005, 06:46 PM

Ta everyone.

BA...catagory 3's are commonplace...standard.

You dont just build 'em for the standard. N.O probs have been known for a long time.

Catagory 5's are fairly common and can hardly be called a "freak" storm. When an entire cities existence is at stake you dont just build and hope for the best.

Something stinks.

I know beauracratic spin bullshit when I hear it.

More will come of this.

09-03-2005, 06:49 PM

Just as they sabotaged the "rescue" efforts.

But, more importantly, why do you move thousands of people into shelters in sections of the city where the Hurricane is expected to HIT!!!!!

That is BS!!

You move them to other cities!!!!!!

Forgoodness sakes, a two year old could figure this out!!!

and

You don't leave them without food and water for four freakin' days;

and

Didn't they learn anything from Andrew???

They knew Katrina was a Category 5, for GAWD sakes!!

Everyone was concerned about the levee system.

Everyone knew what danger was posed if it broke.

Be prepared. Have EVERYONE ON STAND-BY!!!!

09-03-2005, 06:52 PM

truebeliever wrote:
Ta everyone.

BA...catagory 3's are commonplace...standard.

You dont just build 'em for the standard. N.O probs have been known for a long time.

Catagory 5's are fairly common and can hardly be called a "freak" storm. When an entire cities existence is at stake you dont just build and hope for the best.

Something stinks.

I know beauracratic spin bullshit when I hear it.

More will come of this.

Okay, well, I still have questions.

Category five's are common???

So, then it wasn't built for Category 3???

What problems have been known for a long time about NO???

freeman

09-03-2005, 07:08 PM

As TB says, everyone in authority has known for over a decade that New Orleans would not withstand a category five hurricane -- and they did nothing, with full knowledge of the strategic consequences and the disruption of the energy supply.
So all they needed was a big hurricane. If they have that potential, they may not even have needed to sabotage the levees, but knowing the Illuminati penchant for overkill, I would be surprised if that base wasn't covered as well.
It's just too convenient to be a real natural disaster. And the lack of response smells too curiously similar to Cheney's stand down orders during 9/11.

09-03-2005, 07:13 PM

freeman wrote:
As TB says, everyone in authority has known for over a decade that New Orleans would not withstand a category five hurricane -- and they did nothing, with full knowledge of the strategic consequences and the disruption of the energy supply.
So all they needed was a big hurricane. If they have that potential, they may not even have needed to sabotage the levees, but knowing the Illuminati penchant for overkill, I would be surprised if that base wasn't covered as well.
It's just too convenient to be a real natural disaster. And the lack of response smells too curiously similar to Cheney's stand down orders during 9/11.

I understand the concept that the levee was built to withstand only a category 3 hurricane.

I'm not DENSE!!!!

I understand that everyone has been aware that the levee needed to be re-built, re-inforced, whatever, in order to withstand a stronger storm.

I get it!!

They didn't do it!! The money was cut from the budget!!

I'm not dense!!

However, Category 5's are not commonplace!!!

Yes, it's all very convenient. I agree!!

The government of the United State's of America abused me. I understand they cannot be trusted. I understand they have no allegiance to America or her people.

Only to themselves!!!

freeman

09-03-2005, 07:14 PM

However, Category 5's are not commonplace!!!

No, certainly not. Nor was the sudden change in direction and intensity that this storm took...when just the night before I was hearing media reports that it would miss New Orleans all together and strike Alabama.

truebeliever

09-03-2005, 07:23 PM

Well...Cat 5 will hit on average 5 or more times in 100 years...again, hardly "freak". Here are some examples...

Historical Hurricanes: 1940-1980

Some of the more devastating hurricanes included Audrey in 1957, one of the most powerful hurricanes to strike the United States, Camille, and Agnes, which drenched the Northeast in 1972.

Hurricane Audrey

Early in the hurricane season, tropical storms often form in the Gulf of Mexico, western Caribbean Sea, or the Bay of Campeche off the coast of Mexico. Hurricane Audrey, a June storm, fit this pattern. It was the most powerful June storm on record in the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean Sea or Atlantic Ocean. Audrey formed in the Bay of Campeche as a tropical storm on June 24, 1957.

Audrey moved due north from there and intensified rapidly into a hurricane in the southern Gulf of Mexico by June 26th. The storm moved north toward the Texas and Louisiana coast and made landfall on June 27th. The storm intensified rapidly while crossing the Gulf, making landfall as a Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Scale.

The Louisiana coastal area is especially vulnerable to a storm surge because of its low elevation. Storm surge from Audrey exceeded 12 feet on the Louisiana coast as the storm made landfall near Beaumont, Texas. Gulf waters rushed over 25 miles inland.

Many homes were destroyed in the Lake Charles area of Louisiana, and offshore oil installations suffered heavy damage. Estimates placed damage totals at $150 million. Three hundred and ninety people perished.

Hurricane Camille

Hurricane Camille was one of only two hurricanes to make landfall on the United States mainland in the Twentieth Century as a Category 5 storm on the Saffir-Simpson Scale. Only the 1935 Florida Keys hurricane was more intense.[In fact according to records their have been 3 since records began]

Camille formed in early August 1969. It became a tropical storm and then a hurricane in the Caribbean Sea south of Hispaniola before it moved over extreme western Cuba, where it intensified rapidly in the southern Gulf of Mexico.

The storm's cloud pattern appeared smaller than some hurricanes on satellite images. Since meteorologists in 1969 thought the size of the cloud pattern determined a storm's strength, hurricane forecasters did not realize the strength of Camille. Only after reconnaissance aircraft reported winds of over 150 miles per hour did forecasters know what they were dealing with.

The wind and storm surge damage was catastrophic. The eye of the hurricane made landfall just west of Pass Christian, Mississippi. Gulfport, Mississippi reported winds of 100 miles per hour with gusts from 150 to 175 miles per hour. The storm surge in the Pass Christian/Long Beach, Mississippi, area was in excess of 24 feet!

Even after landfall, Camille continued to wreak havoc in the United States as the storm moved up into Kentucky and then east into Virginia. The higher elevations of Virginia were devastated by flash floods after 27 inches of rain fell in only eight hours. Over 100 people died in the floods alone which brought the total death toll to 256.

Hurricane Agnes

Hurricane Agnes was a 1972 storm that proved that a hurricane does not have to be strong to cause extensive damage.

Agnes was a typical June storm that began life as a tropical depression over the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. Drifting east toward Cuba and then north, it became a hurricane on June 18th in the southern Gulf of Mexico and made landfall near Apalachicola, Florida.

Agnes never did strengthen beyond a Category 1 storm on the Saffir-Simpson Scale. Most of the damage caused by the storm occurred after landfall. It moved slowly through Georgia and the Carolinas, dumping heavy rain in the southern Appalachians. Seventeen tornadoes were reported, mostly in Florida. Flooding was reported from North Carolina through Virginia.

From June 20th to 23rd, the low pressure system hardly moved as it lingered near the Pennsylvania/New York border. Over 15 inches of rain fell in this region and flooding, especially in the Susquehanna River basin, devastated many towns. Most of the damage was in New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey, causing over $2.1 billion in damage.

Other historical hurricanes from earlier in the century include the 1900 hurricane that wiped out Galveston, Texas, the one which struck the Florida Keys in 1935, and the storm that swept through New England in 1938.

More recent storms include Hugo, which made landfall north of Charleston, South Carolina, and Andrew, which hit the U.S. mainland twice in 1992.

More detailed information on previous seasons.

http://www.weather.com/encyclopedia/tropical/1940-80.html

September 15, 2003

East Coast Waits as Forecasters Warn of Dangerous Storm

By PATRICK HEALY and ANDREW C. REVKIN

With weather forecasters all but certain Hurricane Isabel will strike the central Atlantic coast late this week, state and local governments up and down the Eastern Seaboard are bracing for what is expected to be an extremely dangerous storm.

Computer models showed yesterday that a region from New Jersey to North Carolina was at highest risk for a direct hit, with Washington nearly in the dead center of the storm's projected path, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported.

Michelle Mainelli, a meteorologist for the administration's National Hurricane Center, said the most recent forecasts showed tropical-storm-force winds lashing the coast of North Carolina early Thursday and hurricane-force winds of 71 miles per hour or more striking Maryland's Chesapeake Bay area later that day. The hurricane could veer as far north as New York and New England or as far south as South Carolina.

Weather experts acknowledged that such predictions were never ironclad. But for the first time in the eight days that federal officials have issued advisories about the storm, they said there was almost no chance it would miss the coast entirely.

"Everything points to a landfall," Ms. Mainelli said.

Forecasters said they expected Isabel to weaken slightly as it neared land, falling from a Category 5 or 4 storm, the most destructive classes of hurricane, to a Category 3.

Joe Bastardi, a hurricane expert for Accuweather.com, said that would not be a reason to relax.

"As it comes ashore, a storm like this can expand as it weakens, pulling more and more energy into it and becoming a much more extensive storm," Mr. Bastardi said.

The hurricane had sustained winds of 140 to 160 m.p.h. as it churned through the South Atlantic last week. Much of yesterday, it registered winds just shy of 155 m.p.h., which is the threshold for the Category 5 rating, as it roiled slowly westward, about 300 miles north of Puerto Rico.

The National Hurricane Center has not yet issued a hurricane warning, and no areas have been evacuated. But emergency management teams up and down the coast yesterday watched the storm's progress warily and went over emergency evacuation procedures.

Some states may reverse the traffic flows on major coastal roadways to accommodate what will probably be "a mass exodus," said Stephen Leatherman, director of the International Hurricane Research Center at Florida International University in Miami. Virginia's Interstate 64 and South Carolina's Interstate 26 will both flow only westward if a storm strikes, state officials said.

The decision to route all I-64 traffic west would have to come from the governor, said Bob Spieldenner of the Virginia Department of Emergency Management. The National Guard and the state police would help move traffic out of the area.

In North Carolina, official decisions about coastal-county evacuations were being held off until Monday or Tuesday. But some residents were already taking precautions.

Home-supply and grocery stores had a rush of customers over the weekend, with plywood, generators, batteries, flashlights and bottled water the top sellers.

"No more bottled water," read a sign on the door of a Roanoke Island grocery store this afternoon.

Gordon Rainey of Nags Head said he planned to get his family off the island. "This is a severe storm," Mr. Rainey said. "I'll ride out anything under 100 miles per hour, but sustained winds of 160 miles per hour will wipe this island clean. We're not prepared for this."

Delaware emergency management officials were concerned about Isabel's potential impact on this weekend's Nascar races at Dover International Speedway and the 200,000 fans — more than six times the population of Dover — expected to arrive for the races.

Teleconferences will update emergency, state and local government authorities on a regular basis, said Jamie Turner, director of Delaware's Emergency Management Agency. If it appears that hurricane-force winds will hit the area, he said, advisories will be issued as early as possible to give people time to get their belongings together and leave the area.

In New Jersey, a few shoppers were already buying generators and plywood at the Home Depot in Absecon, across the harbor from Atlantic City. But with sunny weather over much of the state on Sunday, the idea of a major storm seemed an ocean away to most residents.

"We had a couple of people," said the store's manager, Pete Giordano. "There's no mad rush or anything."

Dr. Leatherman of the International Hurricane Research Center said more people seemed to be preparing for a brush with Hurricane Isabel than they did in 1999 for Hurricane Floyd, which crashed into the Carolina coast. He said he had heard reports that hardware stores were running out of plywood.

"People are taking this one pretty seriously," Dr. Leatherman said. "It's almost the perfect hurricane. It's like a top out there turning 160 m.p.h. round and round."

In the Hamptons, where vacationers are enjoying the last moments of summer, store shelves are depleted of batteries and conversations have turned to the threat of a hurricane, said Sam Swint, a Southampton resident.

Mr. Swint, who said he planned to spend Wednesday and Thursday staking down his smaller trees and clearing his yard of debris, said it had been a decade since a hurricane struck Long Island. People, he said, were eyeing Isabel with a gambler's eye.

Complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings. Some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away.

All shrubs, trees, and signs blown down.

Complete destruction of mobile homes.

Severe and extensive window and door damage.

Low-lying escape routes are cut by rising water 3-5 hours before arrival of the center of the hurricane.

Major damage to lower floors of all structures located less than 15 ft above sea level and within 500 yards of the shoreline.

Massive evacuation of residential areas on low ground within 5-10 miles (8-16 km) of the shoreline may be required. Only 3 Category Five Hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records began: The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935, Hurricane Camille (1969), and Hurricane Andrew in August, 1992.

[Dont tell me they did'nt know what was coming!]

The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane struck the Florida Keys with a minimum pressure of 892 mb--the lowest pressure ever observed in the United States.

In addition, Hurricane Gilbert of 1988 was a Category Five hurricane at peak intensity and is the strongest Atlantic tropical cyclone on record with a minimum pressure of 888 mb.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml

I gathered this in a 5 second Google search. Clearly Catagory 5 can hardly be called "unexpected".

"They" knew exactly what was going to happen and did'nt even pre-position equipment and personal before the storm for a rapid rescue and clean up.

I can honestly say after 10 years of watching their shananigans...this episode most CLEARLY shows manipulation of the people for their own ends. It is stark and in your face. This has got to be part of Bush's setup over and above bringing in martial law.

I watched last night that right wing jockey on "Newshour" blast Bush to peices over this. Usually, Bush could be caught in public stealing a childs lollipop and he would defend him. Ironically it was the Lefty sook who was trying to defend Bush in some measure. Some sort of fix is in.

09-03-2005, 07:28 PM

freeman wrote:
However, Category 5's are not commonplace!!!

No, certainly not. Nor was the sudden change in direction and intensity that this storm took...when just the night before I was hearing media reports that it would miss New Orleans all together and strike Alabama.

It passed through Florida as a Category 1 and strengthened to a 5 before it hit New Orleans.

Just as with Andrew, they predicted where the eye would hit and they were inaccurate.

Seems to me, with both storms, before they made landfall, their course was either altered from the prediction or the storm took a different track at the last minute.

With Andrew, people left areas in the city where the prediction was made and, unfortunately, sought safety in areas where the worst of the storm hit.