tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post4434824048175071261..comments2015-03-03T08:39:28.550-07:00Comments on The Ancestry Insider: Richard G. Scott: Some of the Finest at RootsTechThe Ancestry Insiderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-28407660062137354232011-02-19T07:49:02.829-07:002011-02-19T07:49:02.829-07:00Thanks for the shout out!
As an outsider, or non...Thanks for the shout out! <br /><br />As an outsider, or non-genealogist, I found this conference very interesting and enlightening. Frankly, I wouldn&#39;t recognize a GEDCOM from a DEATHCOM. <br /><br />The fact that I enjoyed myself and actually came away from it not only having learned something, but interested in DOING something about it signifies that the conference was a success! <br /><br />As to the comment about Elder Scott-- It was a religious blessing. The Pope gives blessings to those in his presence all the time-- whether Catholic or not and you don&#39;t see people freaking out about that. There was never any reference made to be &quot;blessed to join the Mormon Church.&quot;Mormon Mommy Blogshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08428665204107871890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-3634470297073332562011-02-16T09:41:25.103-07:002011-02-16T09:41:25.103-07:00This session was a profoundly personal and spiritu...This session was a profoundly personal and spiritual experience for me. At first I wondered why we would not be hearing more from Elder Scott, but it turned out to be wonderful to have a variety of perspectives presented. Some of the best ideas came from audience members. Elder Scott&#39;s words were more precious because there were fewer of them. Thanks to my bishop I was able to share my experience with my ward council the next day. I came for help to fulfill my calling as a family history consultant and I was rewarded with lots of ideas and inspiration. RootsTech was a blessing to me on many levels and this session was the spiritual level.JHDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11289841292252941487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-6926555554442549522011-02-15T18:04:16.437-07:002011-02-15T18:04:16.437-07:00Insider,
Thanks for the quick answer straight fro...Insider,<br /><br />Thanks for the quick answer straight from the source. Though I belong to a different church, Mr. Rencher&#39;s comments make logical sense re temple work, the same as with duplication vs. nothing. However in the comments Mr. Tanner passed on, Mr. Rencher referred to changing the way &quot;people&quot; conduct genealogy, rather than only LDS members, which I took to mean a desire to change the way non-LDS do genealogy in light of the FS tree being opened to the general public later this year.<br /><br />While Mr. Rencher thinks both camps may be able to use the system, I suspect that many serious non-LDS genealogists will pass. While the Conclusion Tree is a definite improvement over unsourced junk trees found on Ancestry and elsewhere on the web, it still is too simplistic for linkages past the time vital records cover. More than that however, it may actually prove detrimental because by allowing good citations and a conclusionary ability, it will allow people to more easily source unverified and badly done printed sources and genealogies. Thus it will give the illusion of being better than it is, and thus similar to the &quot;best&quot; Ancestry or RW WC tree that does have citations to printed sources and not just online trees, but with little to no reference to original sources.<br /><br />To those aware of BCG standards, Mr. Rencher&#39;s comments reference the principle of exhaustive search, and that not quite being done. But I fear that worse than that, the &quot;research&quot; of many who use FS trees will not contain anything past a literature search plus census records. <br /><br />Since it is obviously important to the LDS Church that non-members participate, else they would not be rolling out the tree to the public, the question is what incentive do that they think that serious &quot;academic&quot; genealogists who are not LDS members, will have to dispute a large number of facts and conclusions with those who are not committed to higher standards? When I say not committed, I don&#39;t necessarily mean that hobbyist genealogists reject standards, but rather than they consciously choose not to educate themselves further because getting bogged down in original records ordered from the FHL would take the fun out of playing with trees online, or require them to challenge family traditions.<br /><br />---<br /><br />@Anon,<br /><br />I doubt you are LDS, but even if you are, what do you expect? It was a church run conference, by a church that believes it is the only true church, and not an ecumenical meeting, even though it was open to the public. You probably know what to expect in Rome, so you should know what to expect in Salt Lake City.MikeFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16587230319820652536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-68016804514598199512011-02-15T12:55:29.677-07:002011-02-15T12:55:29.677-07:00The devotional session was disgusting. Because of ...The devotional session was disgusting. Because of men like Richard Scott, I am embarrassed to be LDS.<br />He insulted all religions by &#39;blessing&#39; them with his wish that they convert to Mormonism.<br />A little more tolerance and understanding towards others wouldn&#39;t be wrong....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-45256838496516899182011-02-15T10:09:57.201-07:002011-02-15T10:09:57.201-07:00Mike F,
I contacted David for clarification. This...Mike F,<br /><br />I contacted David for clarification. This is what he said:<br /><br /><br />We want and highly desire sound genealogical conclusions in our systems – period. Apply whatever standard you choose, whether it be BCG or some other standard, we want quality work and content. However, the rules for submitting names for temple ordinances favor performing that work sooner rather than later. To that end, there may be instances where we make a mistake or misidentify the correct genealogical identifiers of an individual because every conceivable record has not been examined. Enthusiasm to engage more people in the work favors early successes rather than unduly prolonging the research over an extended period of time. The open edit model of the pedigree system allows us to correct those errors, correct any errors that may have occurred in conjunction with the temple ordinances and move forward. The system should accommodate the needs of both audiences and the quality of the identifiers and the linkages should both improve and stand the test of time.<br /><br /><br />Thanks,<br />-- The InsiderThe Ancestry Insiderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-26952071706547232912011-02-15T08:00:56.087-07:002011-02-15T08:00:56.087-07:00Insider,
Thanks for another informative post on t...Insider,<br /><br />Thanks for another informative post on the conference, including more info on the Ancestry deal. <br /><br />I browsed Tanner&#39;s blog which you refer to, and here is one excerpt:<br />[snip]<br />&quot;Question: What is the balance between involving everyone and being genealogically sound? David Rencher. FamilySearch is trying to change the entire way that people in the Church do family history. They are not going in the direction of the academic genealogists.&quot;<br />[/snip]<br /><br />What exactly does Mr. Rencher mean by this? Does he mean not NGSQ type of proof articles, which are also required to prove many complicated and indirect cases even if not for teaching as in the quarterly? Does he mean going to more of a lineage society &quot;abbreviated&quot; proof list without all the footnotes and long proof arguments?<br /><br />Since Mr. Rencher is a Certified Genealogist (C.G. -service mark of the Board for certification of Genealogists), does he believe it important to work to insure that the FS Conclusion Tree adhere to the standards of the BCG Standards Manual?<br /><br />I don&#39;t mean to be critical in advance of knowing all the facts, but I am curious as to what he meant by that statement and whether you can shed any light on it.MikeFhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16587230319820652536noreply@blogger.com