What to expect from Nikon at the CP+ show in Japan next month

New Nikon Coolpix cameras announcement before the CP+ show in Japan is guaranteed. There is a high probability that the Nikon D800 will be released as well, but I am not 100% sure yet. The website digicame-info reports that the D800 without the AA filter will cost around ¥300,000 in Japan (around $3,900) and will start shipping in mid-March 2012. The price of the D800 version with the AA filter is reported to be around $3000.

What else?

It will be a bonus if any of the lenses mentioned in this post gets introduced next month. Besides those products, I do not expect any other surprises in the next 30-60 days. I believe the D300s replacement is at least few months away and it will not be announced for the CP+ show in Japan.

Here are some crazy rumors I received recently - I have no reason to believe any of them, at least not at that point of time:

Not understanding all this AA stuff on which cameras do and don’t have AA filters……Is it safe to assume the D4 has one as well? If so, would we want that without one also? PLEASE HELP . Thanks for your patience.

Rob

Read the previous posts, or google it. The answers are already here. I think it is you who needs patience.

Alice

Wow. That was unnecessarily rude. Who peed in your Cheerios?

Bigfoot

@ Alice.. hahahahahah
That just brought up a REALLY disturbing visual!

Daniel

Since not everyone is pro like you, you can either choose to answer this or just ignore it. But putting a judgement so cheap is not good.

Thanks Rob, But since you are a “Know it all” ……..This site isn’t for you. So why don’t you just shut the f**k up and head to another website. No smart a** know it alls wanted or needed here. Just was wondering if I should consider removing the filter should be a thought…..That’s all…..PUNK! And yes I DO need patience, never said I didn’t. Hope to see you in a parking lot some day soon to talk about the pros and cons of AA filters. Have a wonderful day Sir. And thanks to those who do choose to help a “non know it all” like me.

Discontinued

Mr. Ed jumps the gun, it seems. Easy pal, hold your horses, will ya!

Royster

I think you have just lost the support you had with your reply that was so much worse than Rob’s.
Have a look at DP review there is lots of info about the pro’s and con’s of the AA filter and please try to keep it civil even if others don’t.

I think you’re way outta line here Ed.
Personally i don’t see a ‘bad’ thing about Rob’s reply.
It’s the way you read the reply that can make it normal or slighty badish. Maybe he just ment to say ‘have patience’ and time will tell what the AA filter will perform like in tests as soon as they are both released.

Ed is to my point of view WAY over the line by going the ‘insulting’ way.

facts:
– There MIGHT be a d800 with and one without AAfilter
– Every other camera has an AA filter installed our the owner should have let it ‘uninstalled’ by a firm.

Pros and cons of the filter being there or removed can be found in this thread or on the net.

steve

You have a serious attitude problem, apologise for you curt answer.

Zograf

Don’t understand why without the AA filter would be more expensive?? — The AA filter is a fine and expensive peace of glass(esp. for high res. sensors), I remember when D3x was released Nikon was commenting(or internet discussions) that the AA filter in D3x contributed significantly to its price…

CR

they should just get rid of the AA filter anyway, as fuji and other prove to be capable and reduce the price to 2.500,- usd

Is that a Japan TAX? for fukushima and thai-floods? come-on. I’d prefer to donate separately.

CR

I know, getting rid of the AA-filter requires re-engineering of the sensor and firmware, but Nikon can do, improving quality, reducing complexity, and leapfrog the fujis, foveons, … Or just be as old-school sitting on former achievements as kodak? hope not.

Nikon, don’t fight physics, use it (Nikon 1, AA-Filter).

St.

Read this from the Sigma’s SD1 description:
“…Foveon’s technology doesn’t use filters – instead it uses the fact that different colors of light can penetrate silicon to differing extents. Foveon’s chip measures the number of photons captured at three different depths in the photosite – depths corresponding to how well Red, Green and Blue can penetrate the chip. The main advantage of this is that, unlike other digital cameras, the Sigma measures all three colors at every one of its 15 million photo sites, capturing three times as much color data per-pixel as a conventional sensor. (Hence the company’s reference to it being a 46MP camera).
Because the Foveon sensor captures full color data at each pixel location, it’s not susceptible to color moiré – false color patterns that are the result of those clever calculations occasionally getting things wrong, for example with finely-woven fabrics. Traditional Bayer-pattern sensors suppress this by using an optical low pass (or anti-aliasing) filter that slightly blurs the image at the pixel level, reducing the camera’s resolution. The Foveon sensor doesn’t use an AA filter, and is therefore able to resolve substantially more detail than its pixel count alone might suggest…”

French Fries

Ah, so this 36MP Nikon D800 is actually just a 12MP camera ony using some sort of Foveon technology.

The 36MP is just marketing BS from Nikon….. Just what we could expect!

sage

No
Did you read any of the previous comment ?
IF the nikon was a foveon sensor there would be no need for an aa filter
the nikon’s sensor is a REAL 36 megapixel one.
and… Marketing bullshit from nikon (to be expected ?) … the fuck are you talking about troll ?

a foveon sensor with 12MP would be marketed as a 36MP camera. we are still not 100% shore if the D800 actually has 36MPs. “the nikon’s sensor is a REAL 36 megapixel one.” it probably is, but you seem to be very confident even though we can’t yet know for sure.

Rob

Agree – what marketing? the D800 has not yet been released.

Frank

The AA filter being removed is a move for the people looking to the uttmost detail in ere video files. As in people who will be using the D800 in commercial work. With that said the model withthe AA filter on is nnot going to give any discernible difference to 95% of people and it’s most likely perfectly fine even for commercial use.

Yes. those of us who do astronomy photography would appreciate this, especially if the D800 has pixel-binning support.

EnPassant

If this was the future Nikon would make the D800 only without an AA-filter and use the colorfilter from Fujifilm’s X-Pro 1 or similar to prevent moiré!
$3999 for the D800 without AA-filter sound propable. But considering the weaker dollar and latest increase in price I rater expect the standard D800 will cost something like $3499. It would also make the difference in price to the AA-less D800 more reasonable.

photoSmart42

Not sure I understand the logic behind the price difference in the AA vs non-AA filter models. There must be something else that’s different between the two cameras – maybe some more advanced processing on the non-AA camera or something. Any ideas?

DX2FX

Like some have suggested, the version with the AA filter could be having a lower MP sensor, say 24. That would be the main reason for its lower price.

Jabs

@photoSmart42

There might be a strong possibility of the non AA filter D800 to do some sort of digital filtering via a new module or even via Expeed 3, as it being digital, they could do what many Video cards for computers do to smooth out games and video via their AA filters.

You probably have a few more digital controls on it – just a thought now???

This ‘digital filter’ could thus be variable and controlled from a Function in the camera Menu – best of both worlds – none or variable!

Maybe Nikon get smart and not put AA filter on in the first place, therefore not having to pay said $10 per hour?

Gtreu

Plese let the new cameras out for me to be able to fianly get a cheap D3

studio460

Am I the only one happy that the AA-version of the D800 is only $3,000? I wasn’t necessarily in the market for a high-MP DSLR, but for $3,000, I might be! How much do you really lose with the AA-version of the D800? I’ve looked at the links here and didn’t notice a huge difference. What are we talking about here . . . 15%? More?

studio460

I mean, if the dynamic range at low ISOs is decent, we’re approaching MFDB territory in an FX DSLR, for way less money. That’s pretty cool! If the pricing reports are true, I think Nikon hit the “magic” price-point for the D800 (AA-version). At $3,000, now, I want one!

Same, just did my tax return and $4.7k refund on the way, will sell my D7000 and Tokina 11-16 to assist in the funding of the D800 at that price at least..if it’s $500 more i’ll reconsider…like i said on another thread, $3000k or less is a fair price to pay for what it’s replacing 🙂 one can hope anyway!

studio460

Yup! I’m planning to do the same thing, although I have two years’ of tax returns yet to file! That might be enough to buy both, a D4 and a D800! I think the D800 is actually a “bargain” at $3,000. At $4,000, I would’ve passed on it.

At the end it says:
“Expert photographers tend to opt for anti-aliasing, as it produces clearer, more detailed, pictures. These days, most digital cameras come with anti-aliasing filters to limit the jagged effects aliasing can produce.”

St.

I was wondering if someone knows – how if you use a camera without AA filter and there is a moire on your image looked at 100%.
Does resizing/downsampling to let’s say 99% (or from 36MPx to 32MPx in D800 case) removes the moire, since a kind of antializing will happen or not?
E.g. – is moire visible only when look the image at 100% or it is always visible – no matter at what magnification you look your image?

EnPassant

The simple answer is moiré doesn’t disappear just by downsizing. Depending on how big the moirépattern is it may at some point not be visiable anymore. But how much downsizing is needed is different for different photos.
Downsizing can however be made in different ways with different results. In fact downsizing can in fact create moiré in photos not having it from the beginning! At least on some displays and internetbrowsers performing automatic resizing to fit the size of the display.

Amen. I’d love to see a DX D400 if it could do roughly as good as the D700 at high ISOs.

I just love the amazing focus point spread that you get on DX cameras, especially for casual shooting and fast-action work. The Sigma 50-150 2.8 is one of my main lenses on my D300, it is so totally beat up but I just cannot imagine parting with it. (And the OS version is nowhere to be found)

I’d love to have a 24 1.4, but it’s just a bit overpriced as a 36mm DX lens. Nikon, please give us a 24 1.8 DX, or at least a 24 2.0 FX!

I’d settle for a 16mm f/2.8 DX, or even f/4. But yeah, just give me some primes! Remember back in the heyday when Nikon made a 20 f/4 AIS? (One of Galen Rowell’s favorites)

I’d love to see Nikon pay more attention to the “go-light” adventure photographers out there. But then again I guess that’s what they’re trying to do with their mini system. Bah. I guess a D7000 and 16-85 DX is already light and small enough, as far as hitting the market is concerned.

=Matt=

Sahil

Is the Nikon D800 going to have an option of a coupled kit lens as well? May be a 24-70? Does anyone have an idea? Admin???

Maybe the version “without AA filter” will have another new and expensive technology, not just the filter removed.

Luke

thats what I didnt understand either, I thought admin had made a mistake or something haha… but for some reason the camera “without the AA filter” costs more

hehehe

Am I the only one who wants a d800 without AA filter AND without bayer also ?
A 36mp monochrome camera ?

Too sad this will never come true…

What

I dont see moiré been a problem for me.
If i see moiré on my image when i take it i’d just have to turn the aperture down until diffraction kicks in… and makes the moiré go away.

Al

“New Nikon Coolpix cameras announcement before the CP+ show in Japan is guaranteed.”

What, more Coolpix cameras?!?!?

Oh, wait … Didn’t Canon just announce a super-duper compact camera with a big sensor, the G1 X?
I sure hope the announcement(s) isn’t gonna be centered around Nikons answer to Canon on the P&S front 🙁 Somehow I doubt it, pro-gear must be announced early in the year to guarantee global wide availability for summer and the upcoming Olympics, with the more consumer oriented announcements coming later in the year before Photokina. Right? Please tell me I’m right – I really need the D800 :-/

that’s what I am hearing too – first week of February but I do not have an exact date yet

Doug

Lol they spent “half a million dollars” for the Chicago Add, even using the team that shoot Avatar, believe me guys, Nikon is putting all their bets on the D800, the least that Canon could do is leave that Japanese guy go wild in Kenya.

cardg

I think the nikon D800 without AA filter should have different sensor or configuration of this because otherwise the moirè effect would be uncontrollable. This can explain the big different in prices for the two models.