a course onthecivilrightsmovement.i went to selma to montgomery to atlanta. in atlanta, we met king's father, dr. abernathy, jose williams yes >> did you ever think you would come back to the bay area? >> yes. [ laughter ]. >> alabama was wonderful, its with one of tremendous growth and understanding. it was one that in many ways was -- set a very -- it was shocking in some ways because it was still very, very racist in many ways from the standpoint of when i first went there looking to buy a car. we were boy. boy. >> that was in '72. >> 1972. there were those kinds of things that i had to get used to and, in fact, so did my friends in alabama. they said meeks you have to know the way it is here and don't react. >> dr. thurman grew up in florida. >> yes. >> and i imagine that kind of experience, you were aware of. i was aware of that what i did not expect, i think in '74, '75. pause i taught that course on black religion, we went to black churches so that students could experience black religion. one day, i saw a sign and heard about the fact that there was this white church having