Now he makes no secret of being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield and that this album is inspired by Tubular Bells but, to me, it sounds so similar to that album and Ommadawn that I fear Mr Oldfield may sue (not that it isn't very enjoyable music though).

The question is - when does "inspired by" become plagiarism? Has he overstepped the mark here?

Not for the first time as Rob has also been accused of lifting sections of Genesis tracks and incorporating them into Magenta's music. He even addresses this on the DVD for the Seven reissue. So far I've only heard part of Sanctuary and it reminds me more of TB2 rather than TB1. That is not a good thing though. I've got in on order and shoudl get it later in the week hopefully then I can give my view.

^From Magma if memory serves. Although I don't think there was anything ever official.

I got the idea that it was obviously inspired by and sounded similar to Tubular Bells from the half that I heard (you can stream the full part 1 on bandcamp I believe) but not an exact copy. I doubt there is a case to be made for actual plagiarism here, but then I only listened once.

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?

^From Magma if memory serves. Although I don't think there was anything ever official.

I got the idea that it was obviously inspired by and sounded similar to Tubular Bells from the half that I heard (you can stream the full part 1 on bandcamp I believe) but not an exact copy. I doubt there is a case to be made for actual plagiarism here, but then I only listened once.

Just to make it clear, the plagiarism comment was tongue in cheek. I'm not accusing Mr Reed of such a thing.

Not plagiarism. Perhaps a pastiche, tribute, homage, a knowing nod *shrug*. Other multi-instrumentalists have created works that were inspired by Oldfield and/or Tubular Bells (including Mike himself ) but none have been quite this blatant or open about it and I admire him for his honesty. He's never been one to hide his admiration for Oldfield and he's even "sampled" Tubular Bells before (The Secret Wish by Chimpan A).

As I said in the Press Release subforum, I'm not sure what to make it. This just doesn't feel right to me because it is so close to sounding like a MO/TB tribute album rather than an original piece... I think the word I'm reaching for is something akin to parody, but a parody that is a seriously non-humorous art form that doesn't satirise or trivialise (which a parody can't be of course).

"You know what uranium is, right?Itís this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things.But nobody talks about that."

Its a good album , some might be unkind and call it a pale imitation of Oldfield but its decent and not too long (38 minutes). I've never been convinced by the Kompendium Project for some reason. Its a bit wishy washy new agey and unfocused. This is better music imo.

Now he makes no secret of being a huge fan of Mike Oldfield and that this album is inspired by Tubular Bells but, to me, it sounds so similar to that album and Ommadawn that I fear Mr Oldfield may sue (not that it isn't very enjoyable music though).

The question is - when does "inspired by" become plagiarism? Has he overstepped the mark here?

This album is a Exact Copy and Unvaluable (IMO). I know some of members attack me because of using "Unvaluable" word. Please listen to this album specially Part 1 before attack!!

it is an exact copy of Oldfield's style to the point where it might even be called a 'pastiche'. However if Oldfield had made this album would you feel any different about it?

btw unvaluable is not actually a word. 'Valueless' or 'worthless' is probably what you are looking for.

Good point.

1-You right about Unvalueable word. YES and I knew that Valueless is CORRECT. Dont forget : I use dictionary and in my dictionary Unvalueable isn't correct word. I use this word for different purpose.

2-Pastiche isn't enough for my opinion. Its positive and I need negative word to talk about my opinion. I cant say Sanctuary is a bad album. This album is good in many musical reasons like composing or sound or ... (IMO). Rob is a professional musician and he knows how to make a standard song or album. In musical reason this is a 3 star album (IMO) BUT I have problem with COPY.

I dont know how explain that. This is good but this is bad!!!! I cant rate a COPY because COPY isnt real!!!

It's a tribute album, nothing more, nothing less. And as such, I think he does a damn good job at what he was trying to accomplish. And I find it to be quite an enjoyable listen and at the end of the day, that's all I really care about. It doesn't matter that Rob Reed's name is on it instead of Mike Oldfield's. It doesn't matter that it isn't 100% original and breaking new ground. The only way it would have been bad is had he tried to use Oldfield's style and sucked at it. Fortunately, that was not the case. He tried to do a tribute to Oldfield and he succeeded at that quite well. Good for him and thanks for giving us something new in a style that a lot of us love.

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?

It's a tribute album, nothing more, nothing less. And as such, I think he does a damn good job at what he was trying to accomplish. And I find it to be quite an enjoyable listen and at the end of the day, that's all I really care about. It doesn't matter that Rob Reed's name is on it instead of Mike Oldfield's. It doesn't matter that it isn't 100% original and breaking new ground. The only way it would have been bad is had he tried to use Oldfield's style and sucked at it. Fortunately, that was not the case. He tried to do a tribute to Oldfield and he succeeded at that quite well. Good for him and thanks for giving us something new in a style that a lot of us love.

This is your opinion Doc and I dont agree with you.

1- Yes I enjoy too much and as I said before This is a good album but this irrelevant to be a COPY or not.

2- Tribute?! No I dont think like this. Tribute album have own specifics and elements. We have many examples of these albums in PA and I'm sure I dont need to list them for you. You are a 5star member.

3- Its matter for me Rob Reed name or Mike Oldfield name in this case. One musician COPY other's music, not inspire or tribute!! Why you talk like this?

4- Who talked about originality? I like too many bands that not 100% original.

5- I respect to Rob's try . I like his works in Magenta and specially in Kompendium and you can find influences of genesis in both bands specially in keyboard playing but I cant say he COPY bank's style.

6- You wrote "He tried to do a tribute to Oldfield and he succeeded at that quite well. Good for him and thanks for giving us something new in a style that a lot of us love". Something new?!! Can you show me where is this "something new" in Sanctuary? If you love this style, You can listen to TB or other oldfield's same style albums easily! What is new in Sanctuary? Why pay money to buy this album? All of us (this style lovers as me) have Oldfield's first four albums and we dont need to pay for Rob's album.

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