The findings were dramatic: The risk of experiencing these events was roughly 50 percent lower for those who lifted weights occasionally, compared with those who never did — even when they were not doing the recommended endurance exercise. People who lifted twice a week, for about an hour or so in total, had the greatest declines in risk.

And also hastens recovery from cardiac events. There is actually a lot of evidence that weight training, not cardio (although one shouldn't avoid it), is incredibly effective for improving health and recovering from catastrophic health events. I have some research, lemme look through it and I'll post. And fwiw, heavy weight training can significantly reverse osteoporosis in post-menopausal women (for those of you who are married to women or had one give birth to you).

And also hastens recovery from cardiac events. There is actually a lot of evidence that weight training, not cardio (although one shouldn't avoid it), is incredibly effective for improving health and recovering from catastrophic health events. I have some research, lemme look through it and I'll post. And fwiw, heavy weight training can significantly reverse osteoporosis in post-menopausal women (for those of you who are married to women or had one give birth to you).

By all means post it. The best popular publication I've seen with the case for resistance training is in The Barbell Prescription by Sullivan and Baker.

What I wonder is does this apply to other forms of resistance training, such as gymnastics or calisthenics.

"Prepare your hearts as a fortress, for there will be no other." -Francisco Pizarro González

But weight training increases blood pressure.
I remember read statistics about blood pressure in different sports. Highest was among weightlifters and lowest was among gymnasts.
But even gymnasts had blood pressure a little higher than those who do not train at all.
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Here it is in Russian, maybe Smet will say is it legit or not https://sportsp.ru/library.php?Bodibilding_i_AD

My cardiologist has recommended that I not lift heavy any more (if I was honest I might admit that this caused me to shed some tears on the drive home). I've got some "mild" stretching of my aorta. Who knows if this is from lifting heavy or just generally having mild hypertension. My blood pressure went up to 220/100 during the stress test (with echo). I just started a drug to control the blood pressure. I just got this report and started the drug on Friday.

I'm not sure how to handle the idea of not lifting heavy any more or even how to interpret that. I haven't really been lifting heavy for a while now. I recently did trap bar deadlifts for 12x410 but I don't know if that counts as "heavy" or what that does in terms of spiking my blood pressure. 12 is a lot of reps to me (as a former powerlifter I can barely count to 3). I know I had a bit of a tomato face but I'm sure I could have gotten some more reps. Where is the line for 'better safe than sorry (aka, dead)'?

As someone who works in cardiopulmonary rehab, weight training can improve heart function, but the adaptations are different from aerobic work. The lowering in risk isn't so much from improved heart function, but improved skeletal muscle function (strength) reducing the workload on the heart during physical activity.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

My cardiologist has recommended that I not lift heavy any more (if I was honest I might admit that this caused me to shed some tears on the drive home). I've got some "mild" stretching of my aorta. Who knows if this is from lifting heavy or just generally having mild hypertension. My blood pressure went up to 220/100 during the stress test (with echo). I just started a drug to control the blood pressure. I just got this report and started the drug on Friday.

I'm not sure how to handle the idea of not lifting heavy any more or even how to interpret that. I haven't really been lifting heavy for a while now. I recently did trap bar deadlifts for 12x410 but I don't know if that counts as "heavy" or what that does in terms of spiking my blood pressure. 12 is a lot of reps to me (as a former powerlifter I can barely count to 3). I know I had a bit of a tomato face but I'm sure I could have gotten some more reps. Where is the line for 'better safe than sorry (aka, dead)'?

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out). That blood pressure response could possibly indicate a lack of aerobic development. You might want to prioritize Maffetone style aerobic work for awhile.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out). That blood pressure response could possibly indicate a lack of aerobic development. You might want to prioritize Maffetone style aerobic work for awhile.

Holding my breath and pushing out have been programmed into me from thousands of reps. It'll take some practice to stop doing that.

As far as aerobic development goes I have been running for years and have only missed running 5 days since mid 2013 (currently averaging over 40 miles per week). I went quite a bit longer on the stress test than they expected and stopped by choice when I saw that my heart rate wasn't going any higher (I was wanting to see what my max is and was looking forward to doing it in a controlled environment with an MD there).

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out). That blood pressure response could possibly indicate a lack of aerobic development. You might want to prioritize Maffetone style aerobic work for awhile.

Holding my breath and pushing out have been programmed into me from thousands of reps. It'll take some practice to stop doing that.

As far as aerobic development goes I have been running for years and have only missed running 5 days since mid 2013 (currently averaging over 40 miles per week). I went quite a bit longer on the stress test than they expected and stopped by choice when I saw that my heart rate wasn't going any higher (I was wanting to see what my max is and was looking forward to doing it in a controlled environment with an MD there).

That's good. I'm assuming you monitor your HR while running. For BP control you want to keep your heart rate response LOW. I wouldn't recommend going over 70% of max HR if you're looking to improve your BP. That's why walking is so good for BP.

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“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

As someone who works in cardiopulmonary rehab, weight training can improve heart function, but the adaptations are different from aerobic work. The lowering in risk isn't so much from improved heart function, but improved skeletal muscle function (strength) reducing the workload on the heart during physical activity.

Cool discussion. Could you say a little bit more about how improved muscle function reduces the cardiac load? I remember Maxwell saying something about that regarding lower-body movements promoting circulation.

"Prepare your hearts as a fortress, for there will be no other." -Francisco Pizarro González

As someone who works in cardiopulmonary rehab, weight training can improve heart function, but the adaptations are different from aerobic work. The lowering in risk isn't so much from improved heart function, but improved skeletal muscle function (strength) reducing the workload on the heart during physical activity.

Cool discussion. Could you say a little bit more about how improved muscle function reduces the cardiac load? I remember Maxwell saying something about that regarding lower-body movements promoting circulation.

Let's put it this way, who's heart/CV system is going to work harder with a given weight? The person squatting 100 lbs for 12 reps who's max is 200 lbs or the one who's max is 300lbs?

As far as the heart, strength training thickens the heart muscle walls and allows it to squeeze harder. Good in some situations, not good in others. Over time this can lead to stiffening of the heart wall and not allow for the ventricle to relax and fill with blood properly.

This is where proper aerobic training comes in. The size of the chamber (left ventricle) will increase and allow the heart to fill with more blood due to relaxing more when filling. This is known as increased stroke volume and typically results in lower resting heart rate.

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out).

Ryan, thank you for the info. Is what you're describing the same as Pavel's teaching about, when in the strain portion of the lift, releasing the breath through pursed lips and emitting a "tssss..." sound?

If that is correct, then what you are suggesting is a level of exertion that does not necessitate such breathing, yes? So, smooth inhalation / exhalation?

So, not looking for any internet diagnosis here but I received my stress test result in the mail yesterday (had already talked to the cardiologist over the phone) and just thought I'd throw the results and conclusions up here. The cardiologist was positive and it looks pretty good to me, seemingly with the only issue being elevated blood pressure. I am going to work on learning to lift without all the intra-abdominal pressure, keeping weights lower, and have been prescribed something to bring my BP down.

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out).

Ryan, thank you for the info. Is what you're describing the same as Pavel's teaching about, when in the strain portion of the lift, releasing the breath through pursed lips and emitting a "tssss..." sound?

If that is correct, then what you are suggesting is a level of exertion that does not necessitate such breathing, yes? So, smooth inhalation / exhalation?

Correct.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

Keep an eye on that. Another possible byproduct of high blood pressure/ valsalva during lifting.

Yeah, this seems to be the big thing for me and monitoring it is on the plan. It also showed up in the ct scan that was done earlier this year (where they used the term, "aneurysm", and freaked my wife out real quick). Thanks!

I did some upper body lifting while trying to kind of breathe normally. It definitely reduces how much I can use. For upper back exercises I typically squeeze my shoulder blades together and pause. I can't pause for long at all lifting this way. I'll just have to adjust as I definitely don't want the dilation to increase and particularly don't want a rupture...

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out).

Ryan, thank you for the info. Is what you're describing the same as Pavel's teaching about, when in the strain portion of the lift, releasing the breath through pursed lips and emitting a "tssss..." sound?

If that is correct, then what you are suggesting is a level of exertion that does not necessitate such breathing, yes? So, smooth inhalation / exhalation?

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Interesting that all the old bodybuilders recommend lifting like this: smooth, complete reps with no "strain" (i.e., valsalva maneuver).

"Prepare your hearts as a fortress, for there will be no other." -Francisco Pizarro González

I would say light enough so you don't perform a valsalva maneuver (holding your breath and trying to push out).

Ryan, thank you for the info. Is what you're describing the same as Pavel's teaching about, when in the strain portion of the lift, releasing the breath through pursed lips and emitting a "tssss..." sound?

If that is correct, then what you are suggesting is a level of exertion that does not necessitate such breathing, yes? So, smooth inhalation / exhalation?

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Interesting that all the old bodybuilders recommend lifting like this: smooth, complete reps with no "strain" (i.e., valsalva maneuver).

This past May I had what was diagnosed as a TIA / mini-stroke.

For several minutes I had trouble putting a sentence together ("word salad") and I was told I had a slight face-droop on one side.

I was given TPA ("clot buster") and spent 2 days in hospital for tests and observation.

Ultimately, symptoms were "cryptogenic" (Of unknown origin).

I am almost 59 years old, about 5'11", 180ish.

Until that day, every physical and blood test of my life ended with, "whatever you're doing, keep doing it".

Karate as a youth and in young adulthood, long distance jogging (up to a couple marathons) as a young adult, race walking which turned into HeavyHand walking, a few years of Aikido, swimming laps, using C2 rower, daily KB swings, little bouts of lifting but never stuck with it long enough to get very far, yeah, I guess that's about it.

One thing that was different that morning was that I was pulling a hex bar for some modified DLs.

Very light for anyone else here, and not much of an effort for me, (225lbs) but I had not done it in awhile and figured maybe I'd ease into a GTG habit.

I used Pavel's "Tsss...." method of tightening up and releasing the pressure like a tire with a hole.

I related this one difference to all the docs, not in that level of detail, but I think I did mention valsalva.

Keep an eye on that. Another possible byproduct of high blood pressure/ valsalva during lifting.

Avoiding the Valsalva maneouver might be the perfect auto-regulation tool (unless you are into strength sports). If you are forced to use it, maybe the load is way too heavy and you would be better off using lighter weights (from a health standpoint).

Avoiding the Valsalva maneouver might be the perfect auto-regulation tool (unless you are into strength sports). If you are forced to use it, maybe the load is way too heavy and you would be better off using lighter weights (from a health standpoint).

Yeah, that's the plan. I'm heading to the gym right now to try out regular breathing with trap bar deadlifts. It should be interesting...