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Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

Bibby was pretty good the second half of the season after Mike Woodson was named interim coach. He still hit around 40% IIRC from the 3-point line. He might be washed up but he's washed in the same way that Mike Miller was washed up... In an effective-could-still-knock-down-big-shots sort of way.

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

Bibby was pretty good the second half of the season after Mike Woodson was named interim coach. He still hit around 40% IIRC from the 3-point line. He might be washed up but he's washed in the same way that Mike Miller was washed up... In an effective-could-still-knock-down-big-shots sort of way.

I was looking at his game logs here/ and I will give you he had a few decent games toward the end of the year and in the playoffs. But he was terrible the rest of the year and he's worse than a sieve defensively. I can agree with you that we need to grab a veteran, but I don't think Bibby is that guy.

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

If we are signing anyone. id rather wait till danny comes back play lance as 2nd pg, and sign redd.

I doubt that the Pacers would sign Redd when we have 2 long-term contracts sitting on the bench that were brought in to to do the same exact thing that Redd would do. I know that it sucks that Green is inconsistent....but this was something we knew when we signed him...like it or not... we r stuck with both of them.

Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

"D.J.'s been in a slump this year," Vogel said. "Our bench as a unit has been struggling and D.J. is not in any way solely responsible, but I don't want to change the whole bench and throw everybody upside-down. So we'll change one part and see if it has an impact."

Hill said Augustin's limited playing time and unfamiliarity with a new offensive system have affected his performance, a point Vogel also made.

"I don't think anybody in the NBA is effective when they're playing that many minutes," Hill said. "Just knowing where his shots are going to come from. That's something he doesn't know yet with this system and that group. Sometimes he has to force a shot because he may not have one."

Augustin didn't disagree.

"I think it's hard for anybody to play 10 minutes a game, and have five minutes here and there, but if that's what the coach is giving you, you have to take it and do your best, and that's what I'm trying to do," he said.

"Defensive intensity," Vogel said when asked what he wants from Hansbrough. "And I want to see if he can get the second unit to flow better on the offensive end. And to defend better, too. Last year's bench struggled to score, but at least they got stops. This year's bench is struggling to defend, so hopefully Ben will help us out."

"He's a maniac," Hill said. "I never thought I'd see another Tyler Hansbrough, but you see a guard version of Tyler. The passion that Tyler plays with, that's doubled because (Ben's) a smaller size. He's a point guard."

"I've seen things from Ben Hansbrough and Jeff Pendergraph (in practice) that make me think they'll do well when they get the opportunity," Vogel said. "Right now it's Ben's chance to see what he's got. Pendy will get his chance, too, and he'll do well when he gets his chance."

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

You mean the guy who was good for 3 quarters and basically terrible for 17? This is who he is. And always has been. Incredibly inconsistent and far more often than not, a net negative. That said, he'll surely get on a good run soon a la the first 3 quarters of game 1 of that Bulls series. I mean, my God, he's certainly due.

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

You can always count on Mack and Brush to show up when there's some Tyler bashing to be had.

Please. I'm not going to speak for Mackey, but I feel like I've shown considerable restraint in the last year and a half. Frankly, because there was no reason to pile on. Even many of his ardent supporters are seeing now what I and a few others (mainly Mackey, Seth, and able) been talking about since 2009.

I've also tried to avoid all the "told ya so's" that seem to be so prevalent around here. It's just not at all something I wanted to feel right about. I was really hoping to be wrong. Unfortunately, that ship seems to have sailed.

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Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

based on what Vogel said seems like Tyler'll be benched soon enough for Pendergraph. I wish it were for Plumlee, but that's just because I want to see our 24 year old 1st round pick play more than anything.

Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

based on what Vogel said seems like Tyler'll be benched soon enough for Pendergraph. I wish it were for Plumlee, but that's just because I want to see our 24 year old 1st round pick play more than anything.

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I want to see a healthy Pendy get a chance. I think he can play liked him in college just hasn't been healthy in the NBA. He is a solid rebounder screen setter and defender. I would much rather give Pendy a shot (which I supported out of camp I was the only one at the pd party ). He very well could fail but in college he showed NBA skills and body of work. Plumlee did not I never even looked at him as draft able literally one of the worst players I have scouted. I didnt like Hans at all in the draft I had Pendy rated much higher than him. I just hope he gets a fair shake to prove me wrong or right. I would say play him 20mpg and you will see a very effective player once he gets his footing. Like I said I could be wrong but I really liked his skill set for the NBA coming out now that he is healthy for the first time lets see if it's there