Why New Jersey though? I understand the place is dear to you, but what is about New Jersey that makes it interesting for someone who has never been to New Jersey, or doesn't know where New Jersey is?

You need to make the gameplay of your map more interesting - and functional. You have 21 territories and 3 bonus areas... which means 6 player games will start with 3 territories each, and 8 player games will start with only 2. The structure of the map is too constricted - you can't get from one end of the map to the other very easily. And only 3 bonuses, none of them easy to take... I foresee games being decided by dice and drop.

In response to Natty...why would anyone want to play San Francisco, or Antartica, or any other map restricted to a smaller area or time specific point they've never been to or don't know where it is or don't even know any history about?

This map has potential, the area has potential when you compare it to some of the dumpy (and boring) maps out there. And A LOT of people are from Jersey/have roots in Jersey added to interest generated from the BULLSHIT show called Jersey Shore (which is horrendous and no way representative of the state's residents)

My suggestion to ease up on difficulty on moving through the map (once again addressing natty's concerns) would be to add roads the way many other maps have (NYC, the rail maps, rte 66...) For jersey it could be things north/south such as the Garden State Parkway and the Jersey Turnpike. East/West you would have to make sure to capture certain regions but think roads like route 80 or route 78 would work. Adding the roads would lead to a necessary map expansion (size wise I mean). However, there are definitely maps you cannot easily get from end to end in existence.

For other bonus ideas you could also break up the existing bonus regions into smaller bonuses (northeast, northwest, ect...) or make the added roads a bonus. Or even add other major city bonus regions like you did with the capitol (think newark, atlantic city, camden, ect...)

the other option would be continue this maps creation and have it meant for SMALL and LOW PLAYER COUNT battles, again like some existing maps.

Why New Jersey though? I understand the place is dear to you, but what is about New Jersey that makes it interesting for someone who has never been to New Jersey, or doesn't know where New Jersey is?

Why Jersey? Lets see...

+ The first baseball game was played in Hoboken+ The first intercollegiate football game was played in New Brunswick, in 1869. Rutgers College played Princeton. Rutgers won+The first Drive-In Movie theatre was opened in Camden+Modern paleontology, the science of studying dinosaur fossils, began in 1858 with the discovery of the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur in Haddonfield, New Jersey.+The first Indian reservation was in New Jersey.+New Jersey is a leading industrial state and is the largest chemical producing state in the nation.+New Jersey is a major seaport state with the largest seaport in the U.S. located in Elizabeth. +Passaic river was the site to the first submarine ride by inventor John P. Holland. +New Jersey has the most dense system of highways and railroads in the U.S.+New Jersey is the only state where all its counties are classified as metropolitan areas.+New Jersey has the highest population density in the U.S. An average 1,030 people per sq. mi., which is 13 times the national average.

looks very good so far! but there are enough small maps out there. make this a medium sized map with a system to more easily move from one side to the other. that way it will serve for team games, escalating games, 1 v 1, and for people who love jersey! Small maps are only fun if you suck at team games and rely on luck or like 1 v 1's on stupid easy maps.

The problem with standard gameplay small maps is, they cater to a very narrow range of gameplay types... if you've ever played 8-player assdoodle (with nuclear spoils!) you'll know it's a game of pure chance and luck.

Make the map bigger.

chaos32679 wrote:Why Jersey? Lets see...

+ The first baseball game was played in Hoboken+ The first intercollegiate football game was played in New Brunswick, in 1869. Rutgers College played Princeton. Rutgers won+The first Drive-In Movie theatre was opened in Camden+Modern paleontology, the science of studying dinosaur fossils, began in 1858 with the discovery of the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur in Haddonfield, New Jersey.+The first Indian reservation was in New Jersey.+New Jersey is a leading industrial state and is the largest chemical producing state in the nation.+New Jersey is a major seaport state with the largest seaport in the U.S. located in Elizabeth.+Passaic river was the site to the first submarine ride by inventor John P. Holland.+New Jersey has the most dense system of highways and railroads in the U.S.+New Jersey is the only state where all its counties are classified as metropolitan areas.+New Jersey has the highest population density in the U.S. An average 1,030 people per sq. mi., which is 13 times the national average.

Those are all interesting things that probably give the tourist guides of New Jersey lots to talk about. But what is it about New Jersey that can be used to make an interesting gameplay? None of those things you say are reflected in your current map idea...

Why New Jersey though? I understand the place is dear to you, but what is about New Jersey that makes it interesting for someone who has never been to New Jersey, or doesn't know where New Jersey is?

Why Jersey? Lets see...

+ The first baseball game was played in Hoboken+ The first intercollegiate football game was played in New Brunswick, in 1869. Rutgers College played Princeton. Rutgers won+The first Drive-In Movie theatre was opened in Camden+Modern paleontology, the science of studying dinosaur fossils, began in 1858 with the discovery of the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur in Haddonfield, New Jersey.+The first Indian reservation was in New Jersey.+New Jersey is a leading industrial state and is the largest chemical producing state in the nation.+New Jersey is a major seaport state with the largest seaport in the U.S. located in Elizabeth. +Passaic river was the site to the first submarine ride by inventor John P. Holland. +New Jersey has the most dense system of highways and railroads in the U.S.+New Jersey is the only state where all its counties are classified as metropolitan areas.+New Jersey has the highest population density in the U.S. An average 1,030 people per sq. mi., which is 13 times the national average.

See this is why I don't think it's in the map makers best interest to stick to actual political established boundaries all the time. (I.e. the "Why didn't you use the counties????" comment). 21 territories is extremely small and 3 bonus regions is even smaller. By the time you get your first bonus you already have third of the board. Basically that means you've already won, therefore the bonuses are completely useless.

I think to continue with this map you would need to break the territories up more and add more bonus regions.

Yes I do have the same concerns about gameplay, In the center especially it chokes up, and that kind of layout does typically lead to 1 sided games. You dont have to limit it to highways only, you could go with something else like boats or airports. Maybe something to think about for a smaller bonus, maybe Atlantic city could give a +1?

Some questions, does hudson border union? and does atlantic border ocean?

Yes I do have the same concerns about gameplay, In the center especially it chokes up, and that kind of layout does typically lead to 1 sided games. You dont have to limit it to highways only, you could go with something else like boats or airports. Maybe something to think about for a smaller bonus, maybe Atlantic city could give a +1?

Some questions, does hudson border union? and does atlantic border ocean?

No, hudson doesn't border union, at the moment, and atlantic doesn't border ocean, but i can change that. I 'm going to add 4 or possibly 5 highways to this, and then see what you guys think. It should minimize the bottle neck in the middle, and give more regions.

I would like to leave my region bonus, and then also make each complete highway a region. So we'd have 3 for the map itself, and then another 4/5 regions for each of the highways...

Waterways are another avenue i can explore, but there is only one major airport, so that isn't really an option...

Just two ideas for you to consider. [I was raised in NJ.]1) Counties are less recognizable than cities/places like Princeton, the Pine Barrens, the Meadowlands, etc. Overcome your problems by dumping counties and creating your own terts.2) Stretch the map and state in width. You can make lots more room for north-south movement with fewer constrictions without making the state unrecognizable. There's no need for strict geographic accuracy at CC.

+ The first baseball game was played in Hoboken+ The first intercollegiate football game was played in New Brunswick, in 1869. Rutgers College played Princeton. Rutgers won+The first Drive-In Movie theatre was opened in Camden+Modern paleontology, the science of studying dinosaur fossils, began in 1858 with the discovery of the first nearly complete skeleton of a dinosaur in Haddonfield, New Jersey.+The first Indian reservation was in New Jersey.+New Jersey is a leading industrial state and is the largest chemical producing state in the nation.+New Jersey is a major seaport state with the largest seaport in the U.S. located in Elizabeth. +Passaic river was the site to the first submarine ride by inventor John P. Holland. +New Jersey has the most dense system of highways and railroads in the U.S.+New Jersey is the only state where all its counties are classified as metropolitan areas.+New Jersey has the highest population density in the U.S. An average 1,030 people per sq. mi., which is 13 times the national average.

what i dont like about those road maps is that most of the roads are way too long usually.. like here: if you hold the complete yellow or blue highway, chances are you might have won the game anyways by now and dont need that bonus anymore... the games here will probably be decided in the upper part of the map (depending on your regional bonus structure).

true. i don't like the roads at all to be honest, i like my original design, but apparently i was the only one, lol. The roads are tough, north jersey is heavily populated, and since its near NYC, most of the states major arteries are near there, south jersey is a bit more empty...

I support this map also. Jersey has a culture all it's own (no, not talking about snookie). I mean at this point in CC, it's a map free-for-all, so I don't see why anyone should road-block this map.

I would consider some sort of atlantic city bonus. Or maybe, as cliche as it is, a jersey shore/seaside/boardwalk area.

I also urge you to really look at some tutorials via google search or cartographersguild.com. If you are dedicated to this map, expect to be in it for a solid year. Things move slow around here, but the payoff is great. Having people play on your map is a great feeling. Plus it's a personal achievement. And you may get hooked and find a fun new hobby.

I'll follow your progress, I spent several years living in the Atlantic Highlands (Monmouth County). Commuting on the parkway and paying those damn tolls. If you need graphical advice, hit me up.

Some fun things you could add graphically and perhaps incorporate into bonuses:Malls (especially in Bergen County)grease trucks in the Rutgers/New Brunswick areaMusic notes in Hoboken, Newark, Asbury Park, and Sayreville areas Surfboards or something down the shoreA jersey tomato in the farmlandsA roller coaster in the Jackson areaA courthouse or capitol building in the Trenton area

You could go crazy with Weird NJ stuff-the Jersey Devil, the Pine Barrens, the midget and albino villages, Tilly, etc.