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SB Stallteam, built around Celebi

I've used this team for quite a while now, but since wobba got into play, it seems like the amount of good battlers on shoddy has decreased. So to remove the dust of this team, I decided to post it, and maybe add some improvements. It's a stallteam, built around my own celebi set:

Lead, SR setup, and secondary wall. I always find stealth rock very usefull to set up inmediatly. Because of the oh so popular threat of garchomp, I decided to give it Ice Fang, and it already slaughtered dozens of landsharks (and the occasional DDmence). Though it lacks Aerial Ace, I use it as my main heracross counter, stalling with Roost and chipping away damage with Toxic Spikes and EQ.

Core, annoyer, staller, and CB scouter. with Leech Seed, and Toxic Spikes, damage adds fast on the opponent, Toxifying more pokémon while they switch in. With protect, it beats every CBt Pursuiter in the game: Protect, if it uses pursuit, stay in and stall (CB Pursuit from TTar does about 40% damage). If some other Dark move is coming your way, switch to Lucario or Heatran for sweeping, or Forretress to set up, whatever you desire. Also a great way of nailing Heracross, who tend to switch in a lot on Celebi without Psychic.

Physical sweeper. Rule #1 of stalling: always have something to clean up the mess. Lucario does this. With a swords dance and Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock support, this thing rips lots of physical walls apart. Hippowdon doesn't survive a boosted Close Combat after switching in while SR and Tspikes are active, cress eats a Crunch, and go on. Extremespeed is also very usefull when cleaning up pokémon that are weakened by Celebi.

PP staller, special wall and status absorbtion. Though I have to admid that it isn't the best of special walls, it works good enough for me. The given spread OHKOs Alakazam, Mismagius and Gengar when they switch out on a Pursuit, and 2HKOs TTar with HP Fight. Toxic Spikes and Pressure are a very mean combination.

Thanks in advance for your rate.

Last edited by Incarnati0n; 6th March 2008 at 7:03 PM.

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naive is + Speed - Special Defense, and because this Heatran needs the big speed, and uses both Atk and SAtk, I need to lower a Defense. Because I want to switch in together with Reflect, -SDef is better that way.

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I don't think Protect is very good on Celebi, especially not, if for something this situational as Pursuit (really, I use Celebi since quite a while now in competitive battling and not once have I faced a pursuiter). I'd recommend Heal Bell instead, since Stall Teams do not like Status, Reflect would also be a good option if you are really afraid of Pursuit, same goes for U-Turn/Baton Pass.

Even the lowest whisper can be heard over armies when it's telling the truth

naive is + Speed - Special Defense, and because this Heatran needs the big speed, and uses both Atk and SAtk, I need to lower a Defense. Because I want to switch in together with Reflect, -SDef is better that way.

I don't think Protect is very good on Celebi, especially not, if for something this situational as Pursuit (really, I use Celebi since quite a while now in competitive battling and not once have I faced a pursuiter). I'd recommend Heal Bell instead, since Stall Teams do not like Status, Reflect would also be a good option if you are really afraid of Pursuit, same goes for U-Turn/Baton Pass.

I don't need heal bell, because I use spiritomb for status absorbtion. Also, I find Heal Bell celebi to be too predictable. Protect has more benefits then only Pursuit, it lets me scout Choisers (who are very often switchins on Celebi), stall for more Toxic Spikes damage, Leftover recovery AND Leech Seed draining, and can defeat pursuiters that are slower than celebi (baton passing/Uturning out of a slower enemy that uses pursuit still doubles your damage).

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you ought to change your gliscors ability to sand viel. this team may not have sandstream (which makes no sense to me as 4 of 6 are imune) but its the most comon weather efect and your likly to see it often. plus gliscor having is attack reduced isn't a problem as he's a wall who will probably be costantly switched in and out.

Originally Posted by Romke

Mmm, its a sandstorm based team and I dont know if spirittomb works well. I keep that 1 in mind Thanks! What about shedinja?

A Wishpasser would've been very nice, but it just doesn't fit in. Forretress isn't meant to switch a lot anyways, because Celebi does the physical walling other than its weaks (which are covered by Gliscor).

Also, I don't want sandstorm because it's a celebi stall team, and Celebi doesn't like residual damage. I asked her myself.

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Forretress is ment to switch alot to keep light screening and toxic spiking and to rapid spin. Just test it out and you will have an idea of what i mean. But you don't have to if you don't feel you need a wish passer. And celebi wants heal bell because if they status you with poisen or burn then it will be harder for you to stall.

it's called reading. I need max HP and Def to survive CBtar Pursuit with enough to spare to kill it.

and how is this team not built around Celebi? Resists for every weak, Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock support for Leech Seed switching, Light Screen support, switchins for its counters.

Forretress is ment to switch alot to keep light screening and toxic spiking and to rapid spin. Just test it out and you will have an idea of what i mean. But you don't have to if you don't feel you need a wish passer. And celebi wants heal bell because if they status you with poisen or burn then it will be harder for you to stall

You might have a point about the switching for Light Screen, though I've used this team a lot on SB and never had a problem with Forretress' HP. Howerver, I don't see space for a wishpasser. If you have another solution, please tell me.
When Celebi gets statused, I abuse Natural Cure and switch out. Heal Bell might be nice, but Celebi has gaint '4 moveslot syndrome' problems.

I agree with Alzi, Sandstorm (Hippowdon) would be a nice addition since 4 are immune and Spiritomb(Rest and Leftovers) and Celebi (Leech Seed, Recover and Leftovers) can easly heal the damage.

You have a point there.. I'd have to switch something for Hippowdon that way. Gliscor could be switched; Hippowdon has Stealth Rock, Ice Fang and a recovery move too, but I'm afraid Hera will rip me apart that way. Opinions?

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it's called reading. I need max HP and Def to survive CBtar Pursuit with enough to spare to kill it.

and how is this team not built around Celebi? Resists for every weak, Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock support for Leech Seed switching, Light Screen support, switchins for its counters.

For every purpose stated, the aforementioned spread does. You outrun all TTar and can even dump a few spare into SAtk if you're paranoid.

As for Celebi being core or not, I'll let it drop since you're the thread owner and you obviously know best.

Modest Heatran. ScarfHeracross isn't even an issue nowadays. Drop the speed down so it just outspeeds Dugtrio. Timid isn't nearly enough power as Heatran would like, especially when it's not boosted at all.

EDIT: As for Hippowdon/Heracross issue, as long as you keep switching Spiritomb in on predicted Close Combats, the sandstorm and hazards will wear it(Heracross) down pretty quick. Be wary, since it has Guts activated. SDHera will kill a thing or two, but then again it's SDHera, so you can just disregard that.

For every purpose stated, the aforementioned spread does. You outrun all TTar and can even dump a few spare into SAtk if you're paranoid.really? I'll check it out a bit.

As for Celebi being core or not, I'll let it drop since you're the thread owner and you obviously know best.lol. k

Modest Heatran. ScarfHeracross isn't even an issue nowadays. Drop the speed down so it just outspeeds Dugtrio. Timid isn't nearly enough power as Heatran would like, especially when it's not boosted at all.It's not really scarfhera, it's more the things that outspeed scarfhera, like agiligross and other scarfers. I never had any problems with lack of power on heatran.

EDIT: As for Hippowdon/Heracross issue, as long as you keep switching Spiritomb in on predicted Close Combats, the sandstorm and hazards will wear it(Heracross) down pretty quick. Be wary, since it has Guts activated. SDHera will kill a thing or two, but then again it's SDHera, so you can just disregard that.But what about megahorn? STABbed, Choice Banded and pumped up with Guts, I don't think Heatran can switch in more then once. Still, I'll think about adding the hippo to my team.

comments in bold. Also, I was thinking of a move for Celebi that can defeat grassers. Aerial Ace comes to mind, but an unSTABbed 60 base move isn't exactly threathening, and grassers are quite rare.

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Being too speed anal is just pointless - you can go on forever and ever outspeeding things you don't need to outspeed, but it doesn't change the fact that they don't need to be outsped in the first place and that it is a waste of time.
Heatran only needs to outrun Dugtrio AT THE MOST with a scarf. Anything else is wasting it's base 130 SAtk and pointless.

You're the kind who uses Jolly Scarf Heracross as well TO OUTRUN THEM OTHER SCARFERS LIKE PORYGONZ AND ADAMANT SCARF HERACROSS.

Though I don't expect you to even acknowledge this as advice, and disregard it as some noob telling you you're wrong when actually you're of course right, and win all your wifi battles against everyone you face making you the ultimate trainer.

You also still don't understand, that by definition, this isn't a proper stall team, as was actually pointed out by previous posters, that you again completely ignored, and tried to convince yourself that you were once again correct.

Physical sweeper. Rule #1 of stalling: always have something to clean up the mess.

That is also something you've made up that is complete and utter bollocks.

I also don't need to tell you that you're Special Pokémon weak, as I'm sure you'll have some situational explanation as to why you don't have a proper counter to the likes of the most popular and common Pokémon in the game, also that I'm wrong and HP Ice Heatran is a substantial counter to that mentioned.