Post subject: HELP ME COUNTER THE LEFT-GAEKEEPING ON THIS HIGH VOLUME SITE

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:28 pm

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Hi its Mr. C.C. Hyerbole here.

Please go to this site. It is VERY VERY HIGH volume with a lot of young leftists. As I mentioned a while back I thought there was an attempt to gradually claim that only rightists suspected the official 9/11 sotry.

Well that has happened.

Of course we know that such a claim would not have been possible around 2003.

But after five years of left gatekeeping--for rightist -- ends by Sir Alex et al. so much of the foundation left has toed the gov line.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/whole-9-11-t70635/index.htmlWe need to media educate these YOUNGSTERS NOW!! PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE. I AM ON HERE BUT I CANT DO IT BY MYSELF BECAUSE I AM BUSY POSTING ON 25 DIFFERENT US NEWSPAPER SITES IN ORDER TO TRY TP PREVENT ALL LEFTISTS FROM ONLY TYPING ON LEFT SITES WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ RIGHT NOW BY THE WAY!!!!!!!!

Your lack of knowledge is quite impressive. The Reichstag Fire, the Gulf of Tonkin attack, etc.

Here's one out of many examples showing what nearly all governments are capable of. This was the damning testimony about Saddam's invasion of Kuwait which gave Bush Sr. the "okay" to launch a war. The scenes were broadcast all over the world and sentiment in the US was extremely high against Saddam as a result:

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The great Iraq War lie. The pictured girl told the world under tears that she saw how Saddam Hussein's soldiers took babies out of their incubators and let them die on the cold floor.

In Novembre 1990 Bush41 told this lie to the poor soldiers.In truth she hadn't been in Kuwait at the time. The girl was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington, USA.

I could go on, but you apparently don't get any of it, and I really don't feel like wasting a lot of my time. Just keep your head in the sand and keep repeating, "It can't happen here," and for the older members here, how much of that MOI song can you remember?

Your link starts off with this: (I assume you are, or at least know, bootleg 42)

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I think it's a good analysis and the next time we get people here saying "OMG look at building 7" or anything of the type, this could be a good response, especially for those people who believe in these conspiracy theories and who have left-leaning thinking.

This is already suspect for me. Building 7 is the only time in history that a steel-frame building collapsed on its footprint due to small fires. If you think you know how this occurred, I'd love to see your explanation. I've been studying this event intensely since 2003. Any new information would be greatly appreciated. At the same time, please explain why the Windsor Hotel did not collapse after 20 hours of intense fires on nearly all floors.

Then bootleg 42 starts off with this:

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Plus when one does research on the movement and it's leaders, one sees that this is a trick by the ultra-right free-market libertarians to try to trick people (who otherwise wouldn't) into supporting their cause. I'll explain.

Rest assured, nathan, RUSH LIMBAUGH is not running the 9/11 truth movement. The last people the 9/11 truth movement wishes to promote are Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly.

Then it goes on here:

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The leaders of these 9/11 truth movements themselves are also believers of something they call the "NWO" or the "New World Order", and they're not talking about a new world order in a metaphoric sense, but they're talking about it in a literal sense. They literally believe that a powerful secret group has been planning (for over 100 year according to them) to take over the world and that, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order managed by a 'one-world socialist government." That quote is by Robert Welch Jr., the founder of the John Birch Society (a far-right conservative group who started these conspiracy theories, I'll get back to them later).

Um, To implicate the JBS in any of this is lunacy. My entire family of 4 uncles and 3 aunts were card carrying members of JBS along with my mom. I helped the TACT group in the 60s and ran around some parking lot in Fresno, California, in 1964 slapping AUH2O stickers on the backs of unsuspecting peop;e's cars (if you don't know, look it up. You're supposedly the JBS brainchild here).

To even suspect the JBS as the ringlieaders of the 9/11 truth movement is, in and of itself, a demonstration of one's loss of reality. I don't even need to go into detail here. Anyone who has even known a JBS person knows this is ludicrous. If you said that the JBS believes the 9/11 truth movement to be a direct infiltration of President Chavez to undermine American morality and make us susceptible to take over, I'd agree with you all the way. But as the ring leaders of the 9/11 truth movement - all I can say is, stay away from those meds.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

But then you bring in the NWO. Allow me to show you what you apparently haven't been aware of. The NWO is not a "secret" organization of two countries (one of which doesn't even exist anymore - since 1991). It is a viable program being formed by world leaders. I'm sure you've heard of George Herbert Walker Bush. He was president of the US. I'm not making this up. He was president right before Clinton. You can look it up if you don't believe me. He also spoke to the people, I kid you not. Here is Bush speaking to the people while president:

I count four different times when President Bush says, "New World Order." I don't think he was talking about a new Monopoly game by Parker Brothers.

I have brought you actual footage from broadcasts in the US from presidents of the US. The insanity of thinking that Rush Limbaugh is one of the leaders of the 9/11 truth movement has been demonstrated. You cannot find one quote from Rush where he agrees with the 9/11 movement. Nor can you find any quote from JBS supporting the 9/11 truth movement.

I don't want to waste any more time on the subject. If you are confused about what's going on to the extent that you think Rush Limbaugh and the JBS are behind the 9/11 truth movement, you need much more help than what I can give you. The NWO exists, at least according to President Bush, the CFR, and other major organizations around the world. Come up to speed or be quiet.

Toeg THE FIRST POST WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME MY POSTS ARE UNDER THE NAME oujiQualm.

I GREE WITH YOU ENTIRELY ON THE FIRST POST WHICH WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME.

This may sound to you like the whole thread is not worth the time.

I would disagree for the following reasons

That site FOR SOME REASON GETS INCREDIBLE TRAFFIC.

2) ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE VERY YOUNG .

3) THE REASON THIS IS SO IMPORTANT IT BECAUSE THIS AGE GROUP MORE THAN ANY OTHER IS BEING STEERERED INTO THE LEFT GATEKEEPING PROPAGANDA ARGUMENT THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT WING ALEX JONES TYPES THAT ARE "9/11 TRUTHERS" WITH THAT NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.

THEREFOR I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A MULTIPLYER EFFECT IS SOME NONRIGHTIST 9/11 SCEPTICS OF GOV CONSPIRACY THOERY GOT ON THERE ASAP PLEASE TYPE AWAY ON THERE. YOU DONT HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK THERE. OTHERS CAN CHIME IN.

BUT THERE IS A REAL PROPAGANDA ATTACK AIMED AT THIS POPULATION RIGHT NOW AND AT THIS AREA OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM AND IT REPRESENTS A GREAT OPORTUNITY TO TEACH THEM ABOUT MEDIA OPS AND LEFT GATEKEEPING FOR RIGHTIST PURPOSSES.

PLEASE EVERYBODY DO WHAT YOU CAN.

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

To me it wasn't obvious that you were against the first post there. As I stated, if you weren't that poster, it sure sounded like you agreed with him. If this is not true, I apologize.

I would also state that the attacks on the 9/11 truth seekers not only exists on leftist sites but on all types of sites. Believe it or not, I find these attacks aren't as numerous as before. Back in 2003 and 2004, I was constantly attacked, not just because I questioned the official story, but because my posts would "help the terrorists" and I was being very "anti-American."

The attacks on my patriotism are much less frequent now. Very few people now accuse me of abetting the terrorists. Nevertheless, there are still many similar posts on all kinds of forums. In other words, merely posting on said thread would not change much. These guys will just leave one thread and start another, or else they would just move on to another forum and allow someone else to continue on that one. Different name, same bs.

I'm sorry for being so pragmatic about this, but I have seen this same stuff on many different forums. At first, I would fight them tooth and nail about the facts of that day. After a while, they'd stop posting on that thread and a few days later someone else would start a new thread about the very same thing. I eventually got tired of repeating myself everytime a new poster comes on board to claim the same bs.

Those who want the truth will find the truth sites. Those who wish to stay blind will gravitate towards people like that first poster. There are millions of Americans who refuse to believe that their government has done anything wrong since its original inception. Those people will never look at the truth sites and will always side with whomever states that the US government walks on water, is always fighting the good fight, and could never be capable of such a hideous act. Those people may never change be they leftists, rightists, or independent.

Those who want the truth will find the truth sites. Those who wish to stay blind will gravitate towards people like that first poster. There are millions of Americans who refuse to believe that their government has done anything wrong since its original inception. Those people will never look at the truth sites and will always side with whomever states that the US government walks on water, is always fighting the good fight, and could never be capable of such a hideous act. Those people may never change be they leftists, rightists, or independent.

In response I STILL think there is an organized attempt to divide via a right left schism, and that most of the critical gatekeeping stuff is done on the lef-liberal (note I dont say left, but rather on the border in an attempts to demarcate what is socially acceptable opinion. A lot of this has to do with high and low status knowledge control etc. That stuff is bullshit but IT IS ALSO EFFECTIVE. That is the kind of stuff they learn in commuications school) area of the spectrum.

I still maintain that it is dangerous to let this trend go unadressed. A year from now people will just be able to shrug it off and say ..."oh thats that Alex jones guy I saw for a second screeming like a lunatic on Youtube" You might say so what if they are that superficial and uncurious. To which I would respond, why not try to point out that the gateways are DEliberately MADE MESSY.

When push comes to shove, I really really do not want all people to think that 9/11 truth = alex jones YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT, but knowledge is socially constructed, and becomes meaningfull when shared and acted on by a significant number of people who SHARE ENOUGH OTHER COMMON DENOMINATORS to enact change in a particular direction.

Look dont get me wrong. I am not asking you OR OTHERS to spend a lot of time there. Often even one post will do I know prolonged deabates can take a lot out of you and that it sure does have an opportunity cost.

I just think that if they see a lot of different people showing that they dont agree with the initial post, it can counter the engineering that I am quite convinced is underway. Again it has to do with

1) where this site is located on the spectrum
2) the very high volume of traffic
3) the very young age of this group which is too young to remember the early years after 9/11 and is in clear danger PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THIS LACK OF EVEN RECENT HISTORICAL REFERENCE to the type of conflation that I have publicly worried about.

WEVERYONE DO WHAT YOU CAN, EVEN IT ITS JUST ONE POST.

I think to stay isolated on truth sites is a HUGE MISTAKE

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

Those who want the truth will find the truth sites. Those who wish to stay blind will gravitate towards people like that first poster. There are millions of Americans who refuse to believe that their government has done anything wrong since its original inception. Those people will never look at the truth sites and will always side with whomever states that the US government walks on water, is always fighting the good fight, and could never be capable of such a hideous act. Those people may never change be they leftists, rightists, or independent.

In response I STILL think there is an organized attempt to divide via a right left schism, and that most of the critical gatekeeping stuff is done on the lef-liberal (note I dont say left, but rather on the border in an attempts to demarcate what is socially acceptable opinion. A lot of this has to do with high and low status knowledge control etc. That stuff is bullshit but IT IS ALSO EFFECTIVE. That is the kind of stuff they learn in commuications school) area of the spectrum.

I still maintain that it is dangerous to let this trend go unadressed. A year from now people will just be able to shrug it off and say ..."oh thats that Alex jones guy I saw for a second screeming like a lunatic on Youtube" You might say so what if they are that superficial and uncurious. To which I would respond, why not try to point out that the gateways are DEliberately MADE MESSY.

When push comes to shove, I really really do not want all people to think that 9/11 truth = alex jones YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT, but knowledge is socially constructed, and becomes meaningfull when shared and acted on by a significant number of people who SHARE ENOUGH OTHER COMMON DENOMINATORS to enact change in a particular direction.

Look dont get me wrong. I am not asking you OR OTHERS to spend a lot of time there. Often even one post will do I know prolonged deabates can take a lot out of you and that it sure does have an opportunity cost.

I just think that if they see a lot of different people showing that they dont agree with the initial post, it can counter the engineering that I am quite convinced is underway. Again it has to do with

1) where this site is located on the spectrum
2) the very high volume of traffic
3) the very young age of this group which is too young to remember the early years after 9/11 and is in clear danger PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THIS LACK OF EVEN RECENT HISTORICAL REFERENCE to the type of conflation that I have publicly worried about.

WEVERYONE DO WHAT YOU CAN, EVEN IT ITS JUST ONE POST.

I think to stay isolated on truth sites is a HUGE MISTAKE

_________________The Kennedy Assassination is not about Kennedy
Many aspects of Cold War history run through it.
There is a good reason its become a "word" almost like "Oliver Stone"

I'm surprised that doesn't happen more frequently here. I have to wait up to five minutes to see if my post goes through or not. What I do, in the case that I'm not sure, is to hit CTL A (which highlights the entire post) and then CTL C (which copies it to the clipboard). Then if the post doesn't go through for any reason, I can readily reproduce it. I don't know if that would have helped in this case or not.

nathan,

I understand what you're saying. The task seems daunting indeed. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of message boards out there. Each one has a unique set of members, even though some of those members may also exist on other boards. It is impossible to hit every one. In fact, it is impossible to hit a majority of them. Though your concern is justified, and your goals are well motivated, the sheer volume of boards out there make it impossible to reach all of them or all of their members.

Planting seeds is good. Nurturing seeds is good. But if you spend the time watering them and cultivating them until their fully grown, you'll find that years have gone by and all you have to show for it is a patch of ground with a few trees you planted many years before. You have a patch with beautiful trees surrounded by a vast waste land of asymmetric idiocy and incongruity.

There is a big abyss between what we here in America (and I assume that you live in this country too) see and hear about the world, and what the rest of the world sees and hears. Americans are among the least knowledgeable about what goes on in the world. There are the Chinese in their villages, the Indians and their villages, and people who live far from techonology who are as ignorant, but of those with modern technology and the wherewithal to know what's going on, the US stands alone atop the pillar of ignorance. The chasm is huge and I don't see it shrinking very much.

I'll get to the point of that in a moment. Let's look at your premise. Alex Jones is not the leader of the 9/11 truth movement. In fact, he is on the fringe in many ways. He's not the only one, but he is one of the more visible ones. There is a lot of good stuff coming from the 9/11 truth movement, but there are huge barriers already in existence that make the task of accepting the truth that much harder. This is where the other paragraph was going.

In order for most Americans to accept the 9/11 truth movement, they must first accept the fact that they've been lied to all these years. They must accept the fact that the world they've been told exists, doesn't even come close to reality. Americans have to see that they have been lied to for decades. And even before that can happen, they need brain cell activity. That, in and of itself, is perhaps the greatest barrier to accepting the 9/11 truth movement, the lack of brain cell activity.

Look at the polls these days taken in the US. How many people today actually believe that we won in Vietnam?? How many believe that Saddam had ties to 9/11?? How many believe that he had ties to terrorist groups?? The amount of disception in the US is astounding and it always has been. The MSM has been feeding lies to Americans for decades and on purpose. Operation Mockingbird was for that precise reason.

If a given American person reads their entire life that the US actually won in Vietnam, that Saddam was a bad guy who was involved in 9/11 and worldwide terrorism, and that the a great part of the world hates the US for "its freedoms," the likelihood of getting that person to accept ideas as radical as the 9/11 truth movement is virtually nil. And you have millions of people out there who think that way, or sometihng very similar. The problem isn't feeding them 9/11 truth material, it's getting them to see the lies they've been feed and are continuing to be fed. Only when they open their eyes and see the bs for what it is, will they begin to understand what happened on 9/11. With eyes wide shut, the 9/11 truth movement looks like another one of those "crop circle" "ufo" "the leaders are all lizard people" type of movement.

Okay, I've rambled on long enough. I will post on that thread what I've stated here. I have a list of forums that could choke a horse, but I'll state what I know there so they can at least see a different viewpoint. But again, the problem isn't the dissemination of truth, it's the blindness of the people. All the great halogen lights in the world are useless to a blind man. Solve that problem, and you won't need to scamper about for help.