LOL You didn't come close to proving intent on his side. Why? BECAUSE YOU CANT READ HIS MIND.

Don't you get it? Thats why hate crime law is so STUPID. You can't prove what is in people's minds. These kids also threw racial slurs at this guy and beat him up. How do you know their intent wasn't racial? You don't and that's why you loose the argument.

Yes we can prove what was in the mind of the Santa Ana attacker's mind when he attacked the Hispanic woman!

He SHOUTED IT OUT LOUD!

If it is STRICTLY "in his mind", then it is not a hate crime because there is no way to prove it.

The two teenagers in this thread did NOT make threats in that regard, and thus are not (provably) guilty of a hate crime!

Our legal system is BASED on "thought crimes". You can't convict someone of 1st degree murder without PROVING they INTENDED to kill the person they murdered. If you can't PROVE that, then it is 2nd degree murder, or manslaughter.

The article was quite clear that they couldn't prove the racial aspect to get a hate crime charge to stick. Plenty of other crimes will be charged, though, but there was no proof they were going after a particular race.

If they had somebody who, two blocks before, heard them say 'We're going to beat somebody up because they're white, brown or purple,' it might be different."

Yeah, Dave is going to break his back with those types of contortions.
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Originally Posted by MAc-7

That's utter nonsense.

The fact is that hate crimes were conceived to use against whites and now liberals have to jump through hoops to justify the racial double standard they practice when blacks misbehave.

So it is a "contortion" to claim that a hate crime needs to consist of TWO factors: An assault (The "Crime") AND a stated indication that the MOTIVE for the crime is BASED on and against the PARTICULAR RACE, SEX, religious group, etc. of the victim.

So, if an assailant says "I am going to kill/rob/beat you, Whitey!", that is not enough for a hate crime. It is simply an epithet and description of the ONE person being attacked!

If an assailant says "I am going to kill/rob/beat ALL of you Whities", that IS a hate crime because the assailant indicates his attack is against White people as a group!

And he has to SAY it, or be in a group that espouses it, or some other clear indicator to satisfy a reasonable doubt that the attack meets the criteria. If a white guy is a member of Stormfront that espouses killing/driving out/deporting ALL minorities, for instance, and he attacks a minority, he has a good chance fof getting a hate crime charge. The same is true of a black guy in a group that espouses driving ALL whites back to Europe who attacks a White person.

It is a fair law, and there have been NO examples of it being used unfairly against Whites posted on this board.

Three juveniles who allegedly assaulted a cab driver and his passenger in Center City Saturday night while shouting racial slurs will not be charged with a hate crime, according to the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office.

The teens, who are black, were not charged with hate crimes because there was no evidence that the assault was motivated by the victims' race, said Tasha Jamerson, district attorney spokeswoman. Just shouting racial epithets during the commission of a crime doesn't rise to the level of ethnic intimidation, she said.

"They just didn't have that in this case," she said. "If they had somebody who, two blocks before, heard them say 'We're going to beat somebody up because they're white, brown or purple,' it might be different."

However, the three teens - two of whom are 17 and one who is 15 - have all been hit with additional counts of aggravated assault, simple assault, conspiracy and recklessly endangering another person after the passenger in the cab, Brian Goldman, came forward Monday.

Around 8:30 p.m. Saturday, Goldman was in a cab that was stopped at a red light at 15th and Chestnuts when he and his 53-year-old cab driver were assaulted at random. Goldman escaped but the cab driver was able to flag down officers who nabbed the teens.