Unfortunately 2 things are keeping me from a G6R, and those are that I am a bit of a PE fanboy, and I am "mechanically impaired" which is a nice way of putting it. I'm the reason why Planet Eclipse trys to make there guns idiot proof. So naturally the maintainece of the G6R scares me and don't want to mess up a near 1000 dollar gun. But thanks for the suggestion cooky. Also I plan on getting the gun re-anno'd as soon as it comes in to get rid of the factory anno (I hate Planets factory anno's, they all look fugly in my humble opinion).

Why not get something better? The 2012 G6R just came out and is better in every way other than packaging and trigger, but trigger is preference.

I know I like PE better Because even there Spool valve, The GEO, Is idiot proof. Thats why people choose poppits, not to have the maintenance of a spool, but in a poppit body. I know I'm new to paintball, and I'd rather have an idiot proof gun, since I don't know how to tech easily. But I got a sweet deal on a DM, so I couldn't resist.

if you lubes tank barrel and hopper you can shoot gooder

[bobalis] I will state a theory that the more attractive the person is, the less crappy their piss will taste but it'll still suck

I think it's too bad that people don't take the 15 minutes it takes to understand how to maintain a ''complex'' gun and skip on amazing markers to get simpler ones.

I mean, the clone has one of the most ''complex'' drivetrain; just have mike's maintenance video beside you for the first couple of times when doing maintenance and once you know how to disasemble, the maintenance becomes a breeze.

Why not get something better? The 2012 G6R just came out and is better in every way other than packaging and trigger, but trigger is preference.

But the Ego 11 is shiny.

Dosent the Ego 11 only come in dust colours?

THIS IS FUCKING GOING IN MY SIG LMFAO

Anyways...i love you cooky. G6rs aren't that hard to do maintenance on. Take 20 minutes, sit down with the manual on a clean table and take it apart once and its a breeze after that like the macdev guy said

no offense but this^^^ coming from a guy shooting a DP G3/4 in his sig?

the g6r is almost as easy as the ego. remove bolt and clean it. remove ram clean then lube it. reinstall and your done for the next 15/20 cases. thats the same as an ego. the reg is just a belleville shim stack type and all you have to do is put some lube on them and your good. other than that there really isnt much else to do.

The Ego 11 has a very similar shot to the G6R, especially if you have it for a while and tune the LPR and noid. It also has better grips, an LCD screen, a nice carrying case, and a great full colour manual. You can buy Ego 11's used for about $850, you really can't go wrong, everything on them is great, the best trigger in paintball if you ask me, great reg which is extremely easy to maintain, great feedneck and asa, board is great.

Cooky, I honestly don't see how you can justify hating on the Ego 11, I think you do it just to be different and to try to stand out, I call it the "DK complex". It has an extremely smooth shot compared to the earlier Egos, it gets about 9 pods off of a fill which takes care of my Pinokio and 7 pods in my pack (which is my max loadout anyway). If you say it has too much kick, you're a nitpicking wank, the only valid complaint against the Ego 11 is it's "loud" but I honestly don't see how that's an issue.

With the G6R I've heard of many more people having issues with them and I've heard of quite a few people having issues getting proper servicing and issues with customer service, especially those here in Canada. PE on the otherhand has the best CS in the industry, if you want to hear from people who support it look at those on TechPB who use PE guns.

My team is not sponsored by PE, we currently don't have a gun sponsor but the fact of the matter is they likely have the most reliable, easiest to maintain and debatably best shooting guns on the market. Here is the list of electros I've owned in the last few years.

no offense but this^^^ coming from a guy shooting a DP G3/4 in his sig?

the g6r is almost as easy as the ego. remove bolt and clean it. remove ram clean then lube it. reinstall and your done for the next 15/20 cases. thats the same as an ego. the reg is just a belleville shim stack type and all you have to do is put some lube on them and your good. other than that there really isnt much else to do.

With Planet Eclipse you get a lovely screen to stare at and a metal case so you can throw it off buildings, I dont want either of those. I wan't to shoot my gun and say "Mmm, thats pretty smooth" then look at the guage atfer and say "Mmm thats pretty high", then after listnening to it I'll say "Mmm thats pretty quiet".

With Planet Eclipse you get a lovely screen to stare at and a metal case so you can throw it off buildings, I dont want either of those. I wan't to shoot my gun and say "Mmm, thats pretty smooth" then look at the guage atfer and say "Mmm thats pretty high", then after listnening to it I'll say "Mmm thats pretty quiet".

Take any Ego, and there will be a better performing gun than it, its as simple as that. Less than 5% of me considering the purchase goes to eaes of maintenance, a manual, a box, LCD board and so on, all of which Planet Eclipse guns have in spades. A gun just needs good ergonomics, a good trigger, good grips and to be smooth, quiet and efficient, the Victory has all of those (I took the shitty stock grips off), best gun for me. I've never quite got my head around why people would want to be swarmed in stuff in the box, rather than have a better gun. I dont hate on PE, everything on the gun is amazing, the boards the trigger, packaging etc. But its not worth the exchange to me, for the loss of other things.

Take any Ego, and there will be a better performing gun than it, its as simple as that.

no matter who you are eveyone has personal prefferences with guns i like my etek3 better then the axe and it's all prefference. so i don't think there will ever be a "super gun" thats better then every other gun that EVERYONE will love

no matter who you are eveyone has personal prefferences with guns i like my etek3 better then the axe and it's all prefference. so i don't think there will ever be a "super gun" thats better then every other gun that EVERYONE will love

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them

there is more but you get the point

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann... you are comparing 2 guns with a few different traits in the roughly same price range.

also unlike you in regards to the ego i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"

p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as example.... please do not give me the fixes to above issues or how frequently they happen.... cause i know both

The Ego 11 has a very similar shot to the G6R, especially if you have it for a while and tune the LPR and noid. It also has better grips, an LCD screen, a nice carrying case, and a great full colour manual. You can buy Ego 11's used for about $850, you really can't go wrong, everything on them is great, the best trigger in paintball if you ask me, great reg which is extremely easy to maintain, great feedneck and asa, board is great.

Cooky, I honestly don't see how you can justify hating on the Ego 11, I think you do it just to be different and to try to stand out, I call it the "DK complex". It has an extremely smooth shot compared to the earlier Egos, it gets about 9 pods off of a fill which takes care of my Pinokio and 7 pods in my pack (which is my max loadout anyway). If you say it has too much kick, you're a nitpicking wank, the only valid complaint against the Ego 11 is it's "loud" but I honestly don't see how that's an issue.

With the G6R I've heard of many more people having issues with them and I've heard of quite a few people having issues getting proper servicing and issues with customer service, especially those here in Canada. PE on the otherhand has the best CS in the industry, if you want to hear from people who support it look at those on TechPB who use PE guns.

My team is not sponsored by PE, we currently don't have a gun sponsor but the fact of the matter is they likely have the most reliable, easiest to maintain and debatably best shooting guns on the market. Here is the list of electros I've owned in the last few years.edited it a bit to slim it down lol

Basically i highlighted stuff in pink to talk about it. First: in order to get an ego11 to start shooting better than the rest of the poppets you have to turn the noid down to setting: slow. 2nd: i dont want to compare the shot of the ego11 to earlier egos, we are talking about ego vs other poppets not previous egos. Therefore thats irrelevant. The ego does not shoot smoother than a creed, cyborg rx, victory or g6r. 3rd: It gets 9 pods...other poppets are more efficient so therefore outclass it in that category. Getting 9 pods is good dont get me wrong, but we can do better for that price4th: kick isn't nitpicking...its stating fact that can be important to someone that would like a slightly more accurate shot. Loudness is now unimportant? go tell that to anyone with a spool.

All in all its an EXTREMELY reliable gun with FANTASTIC CS, cooky and i only wish the shot quality and efficiency could be better for that price. But unfortunately it doesn't shoot nearly as well as some other poppets on the market specifically the cyborg rx creed and victory.

Cooky stop hating on PE or I slaps you!

Neither of those are going to happen!

With Planet Eclipse you get a lovely screen to stare at and a metal case so you can throw it off buildings, I dont want either of those. I wan't to shoot my gun and say "Mmm, thats pretty smooth" then look at the guage atfer and say "Mmm thats pretty high", then after listnening to it I'll say "Mmm thats pretty quiet".

The only thing your'e missing here is reliability and then that would be what i look for in a gun too.

So what's your gripe with the Ego?

Take any Ego, and there will be a better performing gun than it, its as simple as that. Less than 5% of me considering the purchase goes to eaes of maintenance, a manual, a box, LCD board and so on, all of which Planet Eclipse guns have in spades. A gun just needs good ergonomics, a good trigger, good grips and to be smooth, quiet and efficient, the Victory has all of those (I took the shitty stock grips off), best gun for me. I've never quite got my head around why people would want to be swarmed in stuff in the box, rather than have a better gun. I dont hate on PE, everything on the gun is amazing, the boards the trigger, packaging etc. But its not worth the exchange to me, for the loss of other things.

Yes, I am 100% bias

pink: agreed the victory does have those.

The ego lacks in the smooth, quiet, and not really as efficient category.

However out of all of this even tho i would shoot a g6r, victory, creed and cyborg rx over an ego, i would NOT say the ego is a bad gun at all. I like them a lot, however for the price theres better out there

I like Planet Eclipse, have a pair of Ego's and a Geo. But honestly, I would probably go with a G6R over an Ego, since it has the same features, same maintenance, and costs less. But then again, i have not shot a G6R, so they may not be that comfy of a shot. I am up for giving it a try.

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.In the rare event of that happening, yes the Ego would be better there. But its easy to tell if its the hoseless body oring leaking, untighten the gripframe screws a smidge and push the grip frame from side to side and try to listen for it getting louder.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undoneIt cannot pop up, the magnets are very strong. Even if it did pop up, its just a slab of metal, it wont stop the gun shooting as long as the engine dosent pop out.

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciencyDow 55 is designed to swell orings, thats the point of using it. The Victory can use oil and Dow 33 if you wanted, Bob said it himself in the tech video 55 or 33, it dosent matter, and I've used Planet Eclipse oil on the bolt since the day I got it.

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact themThats definetly true, Planet Eclipse been great every time I've dealt with them.

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"Neither have I, the other way around, either.

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undone

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciency

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact them

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"

p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as example.... please do not give me the fixes to above issues or how frequently they happen.... cause i know both

Who are you kidding? The victory being macrolineless is an advantage..if you are having a leak from the frame its a possible 1 of 2 whopping orings there. Not very hard to fix

The use of dow55 to make orings swell to be unusable would be USER ERROR.

Since when does the backcap pop up....im fairly surre it has TWO screws that must be SNUG and a magnet

All you are doing here is pointing out that the ego11 is more reliable because less things can go wrong. In which case i would totally agree BUT reliability is only 1/4 the battle..you still have smoothness, quietness, and efficiency left!

You can't even say that victories are unreliable. they are still poppets and therefore more reliable than all the spools. And because they are smoother, quieter, more efficient and almost as reliable...i think its pretty hands down one is better than the other

Victory back caps pop up due to the magnet coming unglued and failing, the Luxe does the whole quick engine strip thing right.

Macroless can be a PITA to fix once you get a leak, they never wanna seal up right again if it becomes unseated in the slightest, and as a certified tech, this usually happens over time or after a pretty good slam.

Efficiency is redundant past 7 pods anyways, if it can shoot 7 pods and your starting hopper, you're golden. Very, VERY few individuals will ever need anything past that for an insertion or a single tournament point. quietness is something I view as nitpicking to be honest, if you can shout over your gun, you're fine.

The 11 when tuned with anyone whose read the manual is plenty smooth, and the argument of slowing the gun down is also redundant. The need for anything past 15bps is now useless in todays rule set.

Victory back caps pop up due to the magnet coming unglued and failing, the Luxe does the whole quick engine strip thing right.

Macroless can be a PITA to fix once you get a leak, they never wanna seal up right again if it becomes unseated in the slightest, and as a certified tech, this usually happens over time or after a pretty good slam.

Efficiency is redundant past 7 pods anyways, if it can shoot 7 pods and your starting hopper, you're golden. Very, VERY few individuals will ever need anything past that for an insertion or a single tournament point. quietness is something I view as nitpicking to be honest, if you can shout over your gun, you're fine.

The 11 when tuned with anyone whose read the manual is plenty smooth, and the argument of slowing the gun down is also redundant. The need for anything past 15bps is now useless in todays rule set.

Efficiency is not redundant...it shaves time off in the pits if you don't need to refill after a quick point. Also its a luxury if your playing woods/rec and you dont need to hit the fill station as often.

In order to get the gun down quieter than a cyborg or a victory you need to slow the gun down to i forget what latsabb's video was doing. like 10 or 8? Having a gun being able to shoot 16 without altering settings and still being quiet is an advantage.

And to address the macroless, it can have problems...but its still an advantage to me. i cant stand macrolines personally. I will never own another gun with them because they dont look as good and they get in the way sometimes.

you could pick any gun and i could nitpick how in certain atrributes the ego is better than it

victory

macroless has inherrent issues with tracking down leaks from noid areas making the ego "better" because you can take the grip frame off and check where leaks are coming from.In the rare event of that happening, yes the Ego would be better there. But its easy to tell if its the hoseless body oring leaking, untighten the gripframe screws a smidge and push the grip frame from side to side and try to listen for it getting louder.for someone who knows what they are doing yes sure for someone new to the gun or new to the fault it is an issue.

the magnetic back cap CAN fail and pop up stoping the gun from shooting that makes the ego "better" because it has threaded backcap which is not known to come undoneIt cannot pop up, the magnets are very strong. Even if it did pop up, its just a slab of metal, it wont stop the gun shooting as long as the engine dosent pop out.i remember shooting jrabs back in the day and his back cap would pop up intermittently. also had a freind that bought a victory and had the same thing happen.... easy fix but it cant happen on the ego

the victory uses dow 55 which CAN swell orings leading to damage and issues with effeciency. the ego uses dow 33 nd oil which generally means less damage due to swelled orings and a more standard consistent effeciencyDow 55 is designed to swell orings, thats the point of using it. The Victory can use oil and Dow 33 if you wanted, Bob said it himself in the tech video 55 or 33, it dosent matter, and I've used Planet Eclipse oil on the bolt since the day I got it.doesnt negate that damage CANbe caused using dow 55. and the effeiciency can suffer from its "misuse"

bob long has cs issues when it comes to electronic contact i have tried in the past to contact bl via email, pm, facebook with no replies to any of them. makes planet eclipse better because i have had response from pe staff within 48 hours EVERY time ive contact themThats definetly true, Planet Eclipse been great every time I've dealt with them.

now biasedly pointing out the above you wouldnt be silly in thinking the ego was easily better than the victory.... but thats not the case is it... to me personally the victory and ego are equal. personal preferance dictates which gun you get.... you are not comparing an ion and a victory... or an ego and a tippmann...

i have never uttered the words "i dont know why youd be an idiot and buy a victory when you could have an ego 11 which is soo much better"Neither have I, the other way around, either.you have said something very similiar numerous times

Who are you kidding? The victory being macrolineless is an advantage..if you are having a leak from the frame its a possible 1 of 2 whopping orings there. Not very hard to fixcant take the gripframe off and still air the gun up is not an advantage... not having macroline is an advantage of this.

The use of dow55 to make orings swell to be unusable would be USER ERROR. cool so every person that picks up a victory is a master tech ???. it is an issue doesnt happen in the ego...

Since when does the backcap pop up....im fairly surre it has TWO screws that must be SNUG and a magneti remember shooting jrabs back in the day and his back cap would pop up intermittently. also had a freind that bought a victory and had the same thing happen.... easy fix but it cant happen on the ego

All you are doing here is pointing out that the ego11 is more reliable because less things can go wrong. In which case i would totally agree BUT reliability is only 1/4 the battle..you still have smoothness, quietness, and efficiency left! effeciency, smoothness and quietness mean very little to you if your stuck in the pits fixing your gun.... which i have seen with bob long guns which are user error... but funnily enoguh the people mostly upgraded from egos they had no issues with.

You can't even say that victories are unreliable. they are still poppets and therefore more reliable than all the spools. And because they are smoother, quieter, more efficient and almost as reliable...i think its pretty hands down one is better than the other

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sorry must not have made it big enough

p.s note i said CAN not DOES/WILL purely as an EXAMPLE

as to how you could with bias "prove" the ego is "better" than the victory...

also cyborg rx's are a peice of shit and should not be uttered in the same sentance as an ego 11... theres a damn good reason why Macdev dont sell them any more.... because they produced more lemons than working guns.... you may have got a working gun thats ARGUEABLY smoother, quieter or more effeicient than the ego... but i can bet money that its not even half as reliable....