i obviously have some reading to do... but i'm confused i kinda thought the purpose of t2 and/or woof was to get rid of these compatibility issues?

But was not that still within x86 or what it is named. Intel CPU that was the one that puppy always have worked on. While ARM is a totally other beast.

For to get ARM to work you need Debian them have code for some of the ARM. I don't know if them have for every version of ARM.

How many ARM cpus are there ? more than 10 or so and all of them different enough for one Dev to get headache?
And them change them each six months or so don't they?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

How many ARM cpus are there ? more than 10 or so and all of them different enough for one Dev to get headache?
And them change them each six months or so don't they?

That is not the only problem, who is to say that all other resources such as
VGA, HDMI, RAM, USB, etc etc are all at the same locations on all the boards.

It would be impossible to code anything worthwhile if these along with the actual CPUs are not "standardized".

In addition:
- rooting required?
- what to do if bricked?
- JTAG cable ready required?
- serial TTL-converter required?
- soldering skill necessary?
Not showstoppers but definitely not for the casual hobbyists (which most of puppy Devs are).

And add the fact that while ARM itself is open and well-documented, other hardware resources mentioned by Dave_G above, are usually not (DSP, video, audio, networking, etc). How then could Linux ARM ever work on it? The same reason nvidia/ati proprietary driver works - binary blobs.

Can't this be overcome? Don't we see a lot of "mods" by other people, building custom ROMs and such? Yes, of course - as I said, this isn't a showstopper for a dedicated, motivated hardcore hacker. But if one is hardcore hacker, one doesn't hang around in Puppy forums fixing shell scripts ... (no disrespect intended, I'm one of those shell-script fixers too )
EDIT: typo and grammar_________________Fatdog64, Slacko and Puppeee user. Puppy user since 2.13.
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James Bond is right. There are hackers out there that love to do their own ROM that one can download and exchage the custom ROM with.

That way one can get access to the innards and use apps that are made by community of such hackers.

Jailbreaking or what it is named. I admire their skills but not being that savvy I realize that to get a Puppy on a Surf pad tablet type of computer one need to be at least as savvy as them are? _________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

Will it run <insert name of program here>?
In general, you need to look to see whether the program you want can be compiled for the ARMv6 architecture. In most cases the answer will be yes. Specific programs are discussed on our forum, so you might want to look there for an answer.

People are talking like an ARM computer has never been built before.

Quote:

What Linux distros will be supported at launch?
Debian, Fedora and ArchLinux will be supported from the start. We hope to see support from other distros later. We will be selling SD cards with the distros preloaded. (Sept 4 2011 – originally, this FAQ suggested that Ubuntu would be supported. Because of issues with newer releases of Ubuntu and the ARM processor we are using, Ubuntu can’t commit to support Raspberry Pi at the moment.)

A well known? thing are these "Hackers" or "Jailbreakers" that create their own ROM that them load into the hardware and that way get access to the innards of a computer product that usually are locked to an Operator's way to decide what should be available and when.

The good thing is that you get choice. You have two options instead of one or maybe three or more if many such "Hackers" are at it for that model you bought.

For a list of devices officially supported by CyanogenMod, check out the official CyanogenMod page.

Such is the craze for CyanogenMod, that devices that aren’t officially supported, still manage to receive ports of the ROM courtesy of enthusiasts and developers.

CyanogenMod is said to offer the most barebone Android experience coupled with some very powerful tweaks.
This whole package by now is not wholly developed by CyanogenMod developers alone,
but is a collaborative effort between them and independent developers
on sites like XDA-Developers.

Speaking of ARM devices... for those who missed the $99 HP TouchPad sale, this also seems like a decent device that's really cheap._________________What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
But I think it's your mind

* The price is very cheap with great capabilities. I think it’s enough to give you convenient while browsing internet, reading e-book, or just playing music and watching movies.

Cons:

* No Cameras
* No “Multi-Touch” Supported in Android version 2.2 and higher
* This Android 2.1 Tablet does not play Flash in Browser. Plays in internal player. Android 2.2 supports flash 10.1 for Android
* Requires WiFi (Wireless Internet Service) to connect to the internet

USB host is very important. That allow it to be its own Desktop with USB keyboard
and USB mouse and the HDMI allow it to have an external Screen for us with bad eyes.
Wifi allow it to get to internet. But sadly no SIM card then for Mobile phone connection when there is no wifi around?
How much does it cost then? oops here them tells it.
Craig CMP 738a Touchscreen Android Tablet PC is offered for price $99.

hey that is cheap. A lot of people tell them had locks and one guy told them how to update the OS to get rid of teh locks.

Can it be rooted? What ARM cpu does it have?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

yeah but i read that the second factory shipments were only for orders they couldn't fulfill last time...

You mean the TouchPad? I think it's because they originally hoped to sell a lot, so they had their suppliers make a lot of parts... now the suppliers are stuck with a lot of parts they have nothing to do with, so HP said they'd buy them from them. Note also that HP are not killing WebOS -- they're moving to become more of a SW company (the new CEO is a SW person) -- so this way they actually help spread WebOS... (and the money they lose probably just means paying less taxes)_________________What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your nose
Some say your toes
But I think it's your mind

Although manufactures are always looking to make a quick buck, there
are other economic factors that must be taken into account.
In the case of the ARM CPU, it's slightly different then the case with the x86.
With the x86, Intel not only holds the IP (intellectual property) of the x86,
they also manufacture it.
However the with the ARM, things are slightly different, ARM Holdings plc hold
the IP and license it to manufacturers such as Atmel, Cirrus, Freescale (previously Motorolla),
NXP (previously Philips) and so on.

So these manufactures have to pay royalties to ARM Holdings and also amortize
the tremendous costs of chip design and wafer fabrication.

As we all know, any computer of any description needs RAM.
RAM prices also fluctuate widely depending on supply and demand.
Remember a few years back the cost of DIMMS suddenly shot up?
This was because producers cut back on production during the start
of the recession then when demand exceed supply they got caught with
their pants down and during the "catch up" period costs escalated.

RAM by the way is the most used "peripheral" IC as it's used from everything
from CD/DVD players, to PCs, to Xbox, Playstation, you name it, it uses it.

Make no mistake, prices will come down as more and more manufactures
produce ARM CPUs and thet reach their break even point at the silicon
production foundries.

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