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Comment by crazywarrior

this along with this are BiS for assassinate rogues who are close/near expertise and spell hit cap before raiding

Comment by Kotama

340 agi up all the time vs. Left Eye of Rajh (Left Eye of Rajh).. and I'd have to take the Eye, esp. since it grants Expertise, a hard stat to cap pre-raid.

Comment by pottsy

As you didn't state specifically rogue, perhaps you were talking about enh sham or something so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. However, a heads up for any rogue comparing these to trinkets, expertise is one of the worst stats for rogues, better than crit and white hit, but worse than haste, mastery, yellow hit and special hit, and as such can always be reforged away to a better stat, and should never be reforged to/geared for.

Comment by malrion

Im so going to get flamed for saying this but... this is actually a really good avoidance trinket for tanksIt adds allot of block(or absorbs/heals for dk's and druids) through its mastery and the agi stack just provides another continuous 1% dodge in a fight. (and no i didn't steal this of anyone and think that anyone rolling need on this over a dps should be shot)

Comment by Sabotender81

I lost this gem last night to a.....guess what.......a warrior tank. I didn't even get the chance to ask why, he just threw a smoke bomb of evilness like a true ninja. What a $%^&*!

Comment by Althizor

Leaden Despair is pretty good, but its a different kind of trinket. Its a stamina trinket, and not an avoidance/mastery trinket. A serious tank is going to want to have both styles of trinkets for different situations.

I'm not sure why you think the Key is any more of a tank trinket than Tia's Grace though. Why is hit with proc agility more tank like than mastery with constant agility? They are both what would traditionally be considered dps trinkets, but Tia's Grace would be much more attractive than the Key. Is it because you personally don't want the key?

If you want avoidance/mastery trinkets, your two best options pre raiding are this and the Mirror from Tol Barad.

Whether or not its ok to roll on this as a tank over dps is rather subjective. Especially since the tank is actually using it for tanking and not offset. While I normally prefer to let everything go to main set, and also for its "intended" role, I've had plenty of tanking items taken as offset by dps and healers so I wouldn't begrudge a tank that took this over a dps, especially considering the tank would actually be using it in their main set.

Comment by wastedtime

Hunters be aware, Cobra Shot and Steady Shot do not proc the stacking effect of this trinket.

Comment by Bulchy

Str tanks shud not roll on this, they have trinkets with parry.Since bears cant parry, its unfair for us if they get to roll on our trinkets

Comment by doctorgray

1. Yes this trinket can be useful to a tank, however I believe that any dps class that would gem agility should be given priority on the roll. Why you ask?

Because they will quite obviously benefit from it more. Unless your class actively gems for the stat on the item you're rolling for, you should give the class that does the priority. You have other options as a tank, regardless of whether or not they've actually dropped for you. It may take 20 runs of the same dungeon before Leaden Despair drops (granted that sucks, considering Ozruk), but that's just part of the game. So please, please let the dps roll on this first.

Comment by NineBitCommander

This trinket procs from Sap, so you can stack it up to 10 times before fighting a patrol.

Sure, it doesn't take more than five seconds to stack up to ten, but hell, it's not like you have something better to do after you have pickpocketed every single mob while the tank is afk'ing.

Comment by FishHead

A warrior tank ninja'd this from me (rogue) and immediately left group.

Guess I should expect as much from a pug.

Comment by DELEatrio

19th bloody run in here, trying to get this and Seliza's Spear for my kitty. First time I see either of them drop, and this damn hunter out-rolls me on both of them. Gotta love RNG!

Comment by KirilMKD

Is it me or items just don't drop for me including this trinket.

On the list of items not dropping i would add with love: - BRD 3th boss dager- DM Last boss dager- Trown from Halls- Trinket from first boss Deepholm

I know that EJ isn't the hear all say all in the end but the info they post does help a bunch. I'd be bummed if a bear won this over my rogue, just sayin'. But at the same time if it's an alt rogue that doesn't raid, doesn't need this that much, some trinkets out there have better burst, seems like there might be better trinkets for just dungeons and some pvp.

I'm not sure how the Wow-head score for stat weighing works but it seems a little buggy to me:

Comment by zeni7h

20 runs + ..no drop

Comment by mahbahsploom

okay, i may just not be getting this right, but does this give a permanent 340 agility on long fights, basically, or would something like unsolvable riddle be better? or does the constant 340 agility provide a constant stream of agility that is better than 20 seconds worth of 1605 agility?

Comment by Rastaban

What's going on?Wowhead is saying this trinket has a 191% drop rate.

Comment by Heliopath

Im pissed i ran this today and only one tia's grace dropped. when according to wow head i should have got 2 off the boss on average. 191% drop rate is a lie!

Comment by dubstepp

191% drop rate my ass as well, out of all the times i ran this ive never ever EVER seen it drop once, that goes for heroic and normal version!

Comment by Phoenix599

I ran Heroic Lost City today for the sole purpose of hoping that this would drop.

I selected "Specific Dungeon", and after 50 minutes, got in a PUG that also had another rogue. I'd only run H LCotT twice before, but darn if Tia's Grace didn't drop. The other rogue (who had earlier accused me of buying gold to purchase my gear and enchants...NOT) rolled. I held my breath...rolled, got a 100, the achievement, and Tia's Grace.

Comment by Ikagos

My feral cat never seems to get this..

Comment by MachineHead933

I ran Lost City on my rogue and have been gunning for this trink since cata hit. I lost the roll to a warrior, which upset me... now that I think about it, however, is this a viable trinket for tanking? Mastery is a nice stat for most if not all tanking classes at this time. I'm wondering if the solid 340 agi while in combat for the extra dodge is worth it? Can a tank comment on this?

Comment by sics999

youre a sick sick man :c

Comment by eefertank

I have been using this along with Quicksilver Alchemist Stone, for my DPS set. This seems better than even level 359 agility trinkets, which only have 321 agility vs. the effectively 340 agi on this. Yes, they have procs that might be better than 285 mastery for kitty DPS, but most of those procs seem about equivalent to this.

I have been using Lifebound Alchemist Stone and Heart of Thunder for my bear set, but I'm not sure if the avoidance and dmg reduction from the mastery on this might not be better in some cases. In either case this trink certainly seems OP for its level.

Comment by Tioproza

As a mut rogue, i've been doin raids, and got Essence of the Cyclone, cause no one else needed it (i was kinda afk for the rolls), at first i was very happy, cause i was usin it with fluid death, but then i noticed my dps was lower than it was with Tia's Grace, then i checked their stats:

*- as a mut rogue, i never stay 15 secs without hittin stuff unless i'm dead, so that's a perma 340+ ag.**- 1926, wow, a lot of crit, not really, in my personal use, that trinket rarely procs (like, procced 5 times in valiona and theralion fight).

So, in my opinion, if you have this and fluid death and u get that trinket drop from halfus, i'd suggest you to keep tia's and fluid.

Note: this is purely my opinion, some of you might not agree with me

Comment by shayneg123

My sister's name is Tia! :D gonna get this trinket just cuz of that!

Comment by gibboram

Not even close.

Slight benefit to the tank > Moderate benefit to DPS

Can't carry a tank the way you can carry a DPS.

Comment by Kaikura

I just got ninja'd by a hunter trying to get this with my assassination rogue. He already had the standard version and i told him it was a huge upgrade for me. Next time there's a hunter in the same group i will leave without hesitating. Skardyn's Grace is a much better choice for a hunter. This trinket belongs to a rogue.

Comment by mcdubjr

Tia's Grace is actually better than several 359 trinkets for hunters and is certainly better than Skardyn's Grace. You were not ninja'd.

Comment by Kaikura

What about a DPS paladin? If you say i didn't get ninja'd now you know nothing about BiS..

Comment by Kaikura

I'm an assassination rogue and i've done Tol'Vir twice trying to get this trinket. It dropped both times and both ended up in the hands of a ninja... Paladins do not need this, Miyzaki-Sunstrider(europe). I went for the Key to the Endless Chamber instead since it's less of a pain to get. Some items should be class restricted imho.

Comment by LeminaAusa

This trinket will unfortunately be worth a lot less after patch 4.2 for plate tanks (pallies, DKs and wars)

Dodge: Death Knights, paladins, and warriors no longer receive any bonus to their chance to dodge from Agility. Their base chance to dodge is now a fixed 5%. Parry: Death Knights, paladins, and warriors now receive 27% of their Strength bonuses as parry rating, up from 25%. This conversion still only applies to Strength above and beyond their base Strength.

From MMOchampion.

Comment by wolfjr

According to Rawr, Tia's Grace is better than Fluid Death. Of course if you are at hit cap without trinkets and are settled on a second trinket, it is highly worth nothing that 157 mastery rating (Fluid Death with Hit to Mastery reforged) is better than 40 agility the difference of the totaled stacked buffs between the two trinkets.

However, the buffs from both trinkets are separate and will stack for a grand total of 720 agility with virtually 100% up time.

Comment by guatafu

That being said if you come across a normal raid trinket like Essence of the Cyclone and are missing one or the two of the above, by all means take it, it's still a solid choice and use the time that would've taken farming the other 2 to replace other item that you might need to more urgently.

Comment by Nariel

This is still one of the BiS trinkets for Bear tanks. Period.

In my opinion, one of two things will probably need to be done about this item: (A) Nerf it directly or (B) Create an identical raid drop with slightly better stats.

Barring either of this two things, it's tough to see how Bears will ever stop using this trinket (along with \124h\124r");].

Comment by Nariel

This is still one of the BiS trinkets for Bear tanks. Period.

In my opinion, one of two things will probably need to be done about this item: (A) Nerf it directly or (B) Create an identical raid drop with slightly better stats.

Barring either of this two things, it's tough to see how Bears will ever stop using this trinket, along with

Comment by Nariel

Still one of the BiS trinkets for Bear tanks. Period.

In my opinion, Blizz will need to either: (A) Nerf this item directly or (B) Create an identical raid drop with slightly better stats. Until one of these happens, Bears have no reason to give this trinket up.

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Comment by Amagh

A phenomal trinket... i cant remember the last time an item from Heroic dungeons is besting raid level trinkets.

Using this and Fluid death on my hunter 'till i can get my hands on This beautyAlso does anyone know if the +10% agility survival hunters gain affect this?

Comment by DarkerFalz

Would this be better than the magnetic fireball for hunters?I already have Fluid Death from jp.

Comment by Morticoccus

How is this item for enhance shamans? I got it on my resto offspec since noone else wanted it and have been weighing it against the key, but I'm guessing bonus agility on every hit beats bonus agility chance per hit every day?