Really!? How about when Turn10 was bashing the hell out of Gran Turismo? Why are they trying to put themselves in the same category as Gran turismo? Dissing good game, yeah don't make me laugh. Forza 3 was outsold by Gran Turismo 5 prologue even after they talked all that crap about how much better they were then them.

@kancerkid Well lets see.....One of these developers is actually talented and actually improves massively upon each game released in which another developer only talks crap about developers and has nothing to show for it with each game release besides ripping off there loyal fanbase with overpriced dlc. That's the difference since you asked.

I don't think you can compare a racing game with an adventure game. Uncharted 1,2 and 3 are releasing in the PS3's lifetime because people want to see what happens in the story not because their milking it. Forza doesn't have a story so you can't really compare them.

Oh? With sticker damage and paintable cars made up of less than half of the polygons found in the cars in GT5? And with fewer cars that are not as detailed, and tracks that are made intentionally wider than the real thing to make online races easier?

I bet it'll even be in 1080p and 720p at 60-120fps 3D! Oh wait, 360 isn't capable of either in a game as complex as forza or GT5.

go back and watch a crash in slow motion. sure, an accessory or bumper might fall off, but the second you hit a car or wall your entire car instantly gets all scratched up (even areas that didn't even get hit). all they're doing is swapping out a texture of a scratched up car, which instantly appears the second you come into contact with another obstacle.

Just because a bumper or mirror falls of does not change the fact that all they are doing to the actual car is swapping out textures with "damaged" textures, i.e. sticker damage. It isn't actual damage simulation where the actual geometry of the car is altered and warped (GT5 uses tesselation warp the bodies of the cars when hit), they just paint on some damage and throw a couple breakable parts onto the car to make it look a little better.

I totally agree there, especially on the standard cars. It isn't flawless, but I'd rather see an occasional glitch that looks a bit off than damage that doesn't even come from the area you were hit. Damage modeling in games has a little ways to go before it's perfected, but GT5 at least came out and really actually tried to model it, taking us a step closer to perfect damage.

Depending on where in "gameplay"... Look at any Forza 3 car closely during a race (actual gameplay), in replay and in menu... 3 different models and that is easy to spot. So those graphics can be from the game, but not necessarily it will look like that in races...

Although I agree that people are just being ass with 360 guys lately on the line up stuff, you can't compare Codename Kingdoms to The Last Guardian...

The Last Guardian is not only a sequel to a high acclaimed game but it also had already trailers and previews all around.

Codename Kingdom on the other hand we know nothing about it... For those that wasn-t following by the time of the announcement they would even know it's a Crytek game, as it isn't a sequel to any of it's former franchises. You really can't blame people for not knowing about it.

I say PS3 lineup in 2011 is already kind of defined, there will be minor surprises here and there, luckily one big surprise and the eventual delay... The 360 lineup on the other hand, so far, is lacking. Anyone that isn't knew to this gen will not need much time to realise it has been like this every year, as MS don't announce games that early, so they are expected to add more while 2011 rolls.

That said, if anyone expect MS to have a lineup of exclusives half as big as PS3 they are crazy, just look at how many studios Sony have and MS isn't exctly focusing on development, au contrair, they just spent half a billion bucks to ad a peripheral, as they know it will attract devs to make exclusive shovelware (just look at Wii early days, we know the shit is coming, and it will probably hit PS3 too) they aren't exactly worried with what they'll have to sell next year... Hardcore 360 owners on the other hand, better love multiplat games.

Okay, fair enough. But by that token, I shouldn't see people listing AGENT on their oh so many pointless lists of games coming out for PS3. Because we know nothing about it.

NOT.

You see, listing AGENT is acceptable because it is made by Rockstar North, a fantastic developer.

And thus, I think Codename Kingdoms is also a game worth mentioning, and there has been some concept art released recently. There's about as much known about this Crytek game as is known about AGENT. And just because TLG had a 40 second trailer with mostly cutscenes of a boy and his giant monster friend, doesn't mean you have any idea what it is about.

If you don't want to acknowledge the existence of Codename Kingdoms just so you can keep saying that MS only has one exclusive next year, then go ahead. I think that's really the point of these stupid lists.

It's not to say, "hey, look how many great games are coming out next year." It's to say, "look how many more games PS3 has than 360."

To me it doesn't matter because I have both and I don't really give a shit about the consoles, just the games. I don't compare the consoles with each other because they're both relatively crappy machines compared to a decent PC.

But everyone wants to turn it into a competition. I am saying as a gamer I am excited about Codename Kingdoms. But as fanboys, most people just want to talk about numbers - number of games, number of sales, number of cars, number of guns in a game, number of polygons, etc. It's very annoying to come to this site and know that the title News4Gamers is just an absolute lie. Most of the news is about sales. On a consistent basis, sales news is posted. That's it.

Lets take a look. hmm... No gameplay. Trailer screems Gran Turismo execpt certain parts. Edit: when I say certain parts I mean the parts that looks like video game. Since I just rewatched it only the parts with the gt40 looks like it's from a video game.

Here comes the jump to say that a game that people barely saw anything of beat GT5. Typical. People are already hyping it 12 months in advance. How about for once we wait and see is Forza 4 is really better instead of putting your feet in your mouths....again

Hell yeah, Forza 3 was awesome but I still haven't finished off the season mode, still on season 6. Looks cool though, I noticed the end of the trailer where it showed the details of the car was the demo from e3 using kinect. The guy was moving around the car and opening doors and stuff. Regardless, can't wait.