Sounds great does it work great in practice as well in all courses and conditions?

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

JR wrote:Sounds great does it work great in practice as well in all courses and conditions?

its been working great for me lately. no tournaments, but plenty of successful league and doubles rounds with this set up. i may be adding a fresh 11x eagle L to the lineup, but not until i get some back ups. in wet weather i will occasionally add a few dx variations.

I think JHern forwarded comparisons between different Patriots a while back and my blue Star like one flips too much and it is supposed to be the most understable and some are straight. I have not gotten different kinds because i have a non flipping Star Leo on top of regular ones and need the Stalker more because of the ever changing winds by the sea. And still don't carry any of them on some courses. So buying one is a crap shoot if you don't know what you are looking for.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

All 8 or so of the icon Patriots I've thrown have been very straight to slightly understable, with yellow being the most stable and red being the least. None of which were flippy. (not saying there aren't any, but I haven't found one yet)

There are 2 different pinnacle varieties- domey/stiff ones and light/flat/gummy ones. The domey are the most stable of all the Patriots. The gummy are the most understable, but still not flippy.

Legends are my favorite. Pretty much 2nd run day glow CE Leos. Super straight and do any line.

Here is the post from JHern in the Is there anything that can match the Valk pound for pound thread and mine is a domey blue Icon and it matches that description:

Re: Is there anything that can match the Valk pound for poun

Postby JHern » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:34 pm

Here is a quick summary I copied over from Legacy Discs Collector's FB page, with several contributors...

-Domey Blue Icon: These have been the easiest for me to flip and work lines. It will hold a solid turnover Gently and consistently. Least stable of what i have thrown.

-Flat Top White Icon: Slightly more stable & Faster ... Will Hold a line a lot longer than the blues but still want to turn over and fade.

-Gold Sparkle: These will flip up and barley turn over for a long straight Flight path ..And for w.e reason ..they penetrate the lines deeper ..with more distance then the other runs .. excellent distance off the teepad

-The silver sparkle Patriots I've thrown are more under-stable than the gold sparkles.

-White/clear Pinnacle: The most stable of the 4 Runs I've thrown. these will take a lot more power off the teepad without turning over. They even corrected a few bad shots i had ,working against my of Axis Torque by fighting to get back on line .. i see this disc getting used a lot in the future for long Straight (Dependable) lines . It did have more fade at the end then my Golds tho.

-Yellow Icon Patriot that is very Pinnacle-like (also firm and flat) and is more stable than any others I've thrown.

-My Legend Patriot is my go to disc just about anything. Long control drives, turn over, big "S". You name it, the disc can do it. Flies straight with a little turn over and a bit more fade.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

2x echo * Xcals - extra beefy newer mold/ early run with star xcal stamp2x proto forces - new that is slightly overstable/ worked in one that is for max d and hyzerflips2x champ orcs - new and straight/ beat in and flippy

2x 11x banshees - new/seasoned3x 11x eagles - new x, new L, beat L

1x Z Wasp - new and fairly beefy1x dx San Marino Glow roc - very glidey and stragiht. i can throw these 20-30 ft further than my ching rocs (so about 350-360)3x ching rocs - new and stable to flippy.

esp zone - sidearm/backhand hyzers 250 and in. been in the bag for 5 years and is my most used and trusted disc.3x wizards - 1 circle tooled for straight/turnover drives or upshots, and my 2 OG wizards for putting dutiesdx polecat - trick FH/BH upshots, ive learned to control this disc very well and have had some long throw ins with it.

2x Force - 172 1st run ESP that is stupid overstable, 174 player's cup sparkle z that is straight with no turn and a hard finish.2x Giant - 174 pop top tournament line: fresh and overstable with glide. 169 pop top: has a slight turn to it. this is my bomber disc. 2x Orc - 175 star: has a bit of a dome and is quite stable. 175 pearly champ: worked in and flippy.

You like the newer additions to the bag? Or could you go with your 8 mold bag and still do pretty good.

I've always been curious about the Force. I mean it's very tempting,but I'm not sure if it's too much disc for my arm. I can average Terns right around 390ft to 400ft and my PD's are from 370ft to 380ft. Those are my main 2 drivers