Jets and Yankees owe us

So I’m watching TV last night and I see that the Jets have this new commercial … they’re so desperate to sell all those PSLs … anyway the new slogan is “It’s Go Time!”

Now I know we stole that from somebody else, but it’s ours now, so I figure for a small percentage of the PSL sales it will generate, the Jets can use it. I’m willing to start negotiations.

Then I’m watching Yankeeography. One of the better ones I’ve seen, on Phil Rizzuto. YES Network found some classic Scooter mishaps during the broadcast portion of his career.

But twice during the show, we’re told that Casey Stengel — no fan of Rizzuto’s when he came up to the Yankees — told the Scooter he was too small and he should go get himself a shoe shine kit.

Now I know we stole that, too. But Casey Stengel stole it from us? Is that possible?

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Need some hockey? Some recent non-1994 related hockey? A game where the Rangers actually scored some goals? Well, it’s not exactly one for the MSG Vault, but tonight MSG Plus is showing a Blue Jackets-Rangers game from last November. Short summary: Rangers come back from a two-goal deficit to win on a four-point night by Marian Gaborik.

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I already made the NY Waterway ad start up several times. Pretty affective Carp. Being first isn’t all it’s cracked up to be there is only Carps post which is always entertaining but nothing else to read. But the Yankees and Jets owe us big time.

I saw your post last night, mama. I’m humbled and honored to receive this book from you. And also it is a very sad honor. I still can’t believe the P&C is being shut down. People who were frequent and random visitors to sister blog knew how much useful information, links and pet stories the blog provided to every pet owner. And how many animal lives it saved. Laurel did an outstanding job maintaining it and the place will be missed by everyone. Thank you, Laurel for doing it as long as you could.

Just because we got White, and EC doesn’t nesseccarily mean that prospects are out of the picture. It just gives them competition. If our prospects can’t beat out a bunch of scrubs like them, then what are you going to do? Clearly they’re not ready.

good job orr. thats exactly why theres a training camp. but ya have to figure no matter what, the vets making more money are always going to be given a bigger margin for error when competing for a spot. because of either past performance, or because of money, or if a guy like gabby wants his buddy playing with him. theres so much going against a guy liek stepan and grachev because they have to prove themselves and really sustain it and when theres more competition, its that much harder.like any coach who had a disappointing first season, im sure torts is gonna put guys in there that will get the team to the playoffs. torts is a sith apprentice orr!! his master darth sathe tells him what to do. well actually sather is teh emperor, and torts is darth tortalini. ya ever wonder why hes so mean? safe is death? hes always talkin about death. hes a sith lord orr. we need jedi master carp skyscraper to destroy them!! all of teh jedi boneheads need to unite against them. ccc3po and fartoo detoo(greg), handjabba the hut(cr9), princess leino(linda) and the mighty chewcocka(also played by cr9) will unite against the sith and cupcake droid army of nassau mausoleum

I have a premier hockey film, made in Canada and acted in by all ( interpret unknown) actors whc made it all the more realistic,about the time back in the 50’s when Ted Lindsay tried to install a players union, and the abuse of players ( all the old heroes that we honor today Gordy, Rocket,Teeder Kennedy, Bill Durnan etc.) and how they were treated by ownership throughout the league. Pulls no punches.

It’s entitled “Net VAlue.

I’ll send it anyone who wants it ( after having seen it, I have no designs on it, needn’t be returned, and you can all pass it on to one another if you so desire. It’s a CD. If you dare to trust me with a mailing address I’ll send it on.

These millionaires of today own their status to one man who dared to take on the establishment (and they tried to destroy him,) but ol’ Ted is made of “sterner stuff” and he survives to this day.

I have a premier hockey film, made in Canada and acted in by all ( interpret unknown) actors who made it all the more realistic,about the time back in the 50’s when Ted Lindsay tried to install a players union, and the abuse of players ( all the old heroes that we honor today Gordy, Rocket,Teeder Kennedy, Bill Durnan etc.) and how they were treated by ownership throughout the league. Pulls no punches.

It’s entitled “Net Value.

I’ll send it anyone who wants it ( after having seen it, I have no designs on it, needn’t be returned, and you can all pass it on to one another if you so desire. It’s a CD. If you dare to trust me with a mailing address I’ll send it on.

These millionaires of today owe their status to one man who dared to take on the establishment (and they tried to destroy him,) but ol’ Ted is made of “sterner stuff” and he survives to this day.

Laurel
I’m deeply sorry for you losing your wonderful site. How does one account for the blackness in the hearts of the sort of sociopaths who would do this kind of thing to such a lovely, dedicated and passionate person like you? Tell us who and why. I’m saddened as a pet lover and your fan. Hope you’ll recover in a different and better shape and form to do your noble cause.

Youse guys are never going to believe this. I finally was able to clear things up with my bank account – after 3 months of crap – and got online with it for the first time in probably a year. Well, my “sitekey” – for those that know what I’m talking about – when signing in was a picture with the word “Boston”

How in the holy hell did that get there? Why would I ever do such a thing, even as a joke?

“Lebron’s team tried to change his mind at the last minute all day Thursday, pleading with him about legacy and how Miami wouldn’t be a better fit than New York, but in the end James felt the need to chase titles with his friends.”

worse news today that lebron was “this close” to picking NY. he had the Knicks when he chose the greenwich ct boys and girls club. i cant believe he chose friends, especially a bum like bosh, than the greatest city in thew world. he listened to his team by having “the Decision” but didnt listen to them on the actual decision. only to NY could this happen to. NY has the worst luck, and that’s why we’re the underdogs, and always will be. NY = underdogs.

“Not including the 7.5-percent bonus buffer, which applies Seguin’s bonuses to the 2011-12 cap until Seguin meets them, and the Bruins’ plans to put injured forward Marco Sturm on long-term injury reserve, the Bruins are over the 2010-11 NHL salary cap of $59.4 million and the “summer cap” that allows them to go 10 percent above the season cap to $65.3 million until one week before the season begins. According to capgeek.com, the Bruins’ cap hit currently stands at $66.28 million.”

Hey, I’d rather the Jets and Yankees stole those phrases than the (blank) and the (blank). Fill in the blanks with your two most hated sports teams. So it could be worse. It could be the Flyers and the Eagles or something!

Here’s the thing about Rangers fans. They are 100% underdogs. So it’s difficult for Rangers fans to be Yankees fans without feeling yucky for being a fan of a winner. So they are Mets fans.

If they understood that the Yankees and every NY team are actually the underdogs, they wouldn’t have a problem being a fan of the Yankees.

Those against my idea will argue the Yankees’ payroll. However, in actuality, the Yankees don’t even have the advantage of money, as there are at least 5-10 baseball owners that have more money than the Yankees. Those owners just choose not to spend it.

as a Met fan, the answer is clearly the Yankees…not even debatable. hockey is diff b/c most baseball fans dont follow hockey and the Rangers dominate the tri-state area where as the Mets fans are prob 35-40% of the people…

In no stretch of the imagination are the Yankees ever considered underdogs.

It’s not just about the owner’s money that allows the Yankees to spend so freely. They have YES which rakes in a ton of cash and whose profit margin is much more robust than the team itself (which tends to operate at a loss). They have the merchandising revenues that rake in a lot from overseas.

The Mets aren’t underdogs either, they just have an amazingly inept ownership that employs multiple Wade Reddens on their roster (Ollie Perez and Castillo = 4 Reddens).

I already know my opinion is not going to be popular, so I won’t continue any further, except to say that I have the facts to support my opinion. The only thing haters can use is the money – the money the Yankees choose to spend and the money that other teams choose not to spend.

Here’s something for you folks all to think about. Some day you’ll have to describe the Hockey stars of your ( this ) era to your grand kids. they’ll ask you to tell them why they were as great as they are. It ain’t gonna be so easy.

I try to describe Rocket Richard who I’ve seen play many times and you’ve gotta realize that he was only about 5′ 10″ and roughly 175-180 lbs. But he was a terror on the ice. Few players in history were so totally dedicated to putting that puck in the net – no matter what- that he wound up the entire arena when he got the puck. He could handle the puck OK, but when he started one of his rushes, I swear some of the D men were scared of him, because he was like a homing missile on the goal, and if a D man was there, he’d take a piece of him if he had to, but he always went after the puck and the goal.When he got there he’d shoot but often went into the goal tender and kept banging away til it went in. Brutal offense…and he had a habit of keeping his eyes wide open like head lights, and that’s where the phrase, “the Rocket’s red glare, came from.

If he was conscious he was gonna score ( and some times he did it when he wasn’t conscious) Fearless, powerful and
inspiring.

Now Max Bentley was a slightly built guy who was also a very prolific scorer in his day and he was fast and nimble on his feet, terrific stick handler, more moves than Baryshnikov, but he could be knocked off the puck if caught right, but he was literally a danger to go from behind his goal thru an entire team, and score in one fashion or another. He was not a physical presence but he was rare joy to watch skate a puck up ice.

They continually shell out the largest contracts in the free agent market, and they do pay the luxury tax levied on them so I have no complaint there. Don’t forget the MLB players union puts pressure on Class A FAs to accept the largest offer (unless it’s a reasonable hometown discount).

The pay over the slot for their draft picks, again no complaints, in fact I wish it’s what the Mets would do.

They’re one of the few teams that can pretty much sell their stadium out on name recognition alone.

Particularly since there is no hard salary cap in MLB, no other team in the major 4 sports has taken advantage of free agency to the extent the Yankees have. Again, the aggressive approach is part of their culture, but no one has gotten in their way from acquiring the talent they’ve sought.

I agree with you that the Yankees shell out the largest contracts in the free agent market, but I believe that goes to my point that everything goes against them. Look at the some of the under-market contracts the Red Sox get players to sign, like Pedroia, Lester and Youkilis before they reach free agency and players such as Beltre, Beckett and Scutaro amongst many others who are or about to become FA’s. The fact that the Yanks pay out such large contracts means that the players won’t take any less to play in the Bronx. Not to mention the Yanks have to overpay to compensate for the outrageous state income taxes that New York levies.

As to your point of selling out the stadium on name recognition alone, again the Yankees do so because of their own hard work, and not because of any luck in their favor. Also, when the team is non-competitive like in the early 90’s, the stadium doesn’t sell out. NY fans want a winner. Any advantage the lack of a salary cap in MLB gives the Yankees over other teams is solely created by their own decision to spend the money that other teams’ richer owners refuse to spend

Finally, any sport that has a salary cap is inherently biased against the NY teams because of the huge cost of living along with those aforementioned tax issue, because players can actually net more income by going to other teams in different states with a lower costs of living and lesser taxes.

Mets fan, along with the Rangers (duh!). I watch the NFL but have no allegiance to any team. The NBA I could care less about, but I do watch NCAA basketball. Again, I have no allegiance to any team, but do root for my alma mater, even though they have not been good since I was there.

personally i dont like the fact that the MLB rules allow the Yankees to basically put out an all-star team every year.

The Yanks are well within their rights and i certainly commend their ownership for taking personal losses in order to win but to me its just not enjoyable to have an all-star team and think the world is coming to an end if they dont win the WS.

Pedroia, Lester and Youkilis were Sox draftees. The smart thing to do with those players is to buy out a few years of free agency when they hit their arbitration years. So they pay more than would have in arbitration but less than they would have for free agency. That’s common practice in baseball, the Mets did the same with Wright and Reyes, the Phillies did so Utley and Rollins and the Cards did that with Pujols.

Beckett’s first contract was a good deal, but the one he just signed will be a bit of an albatross along with Lackey’s. Beltre and Scuttaro are middle market players that most budget conscious teams won’t bid on and the large market teams like the Yankees, Mets and Phillies didn’t quite have the need for players at those particular positions and the market fell. Sort of like how the Angels were able to get Bobby Abreu the year before for like $5mn.

The Yankees paid Jeter free agent money when he wasn’t a free agent and in part because they didn’t want their highest profile player severely underpaid compared to a fellow superstar playing the exact same position. A large part of the Yankees foundation for the late 90’s dynasty was home grown but between the 2000 and 2009 championships they went back to either filling their needs via the FA market or using their financial might to acquire other teams expensive players.

CCCP
August 4th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I love the Rangers and i like the Yankees…

can i be considered a Yankee fan if I’m only interested in them during playoffs?

football and basketball i completely don’t care about

wtb?? were we separated at birth?? i am the exact same way T. love hockey more than any sport and most things in life too. besides 2 or 3 things like ya know, sax, drogs and rock n roll!!! noo actually for me its hockey(rangers),S, D and R n R!!! sometimes i like to enjoy some of them at teh same time and in a group!! haha kidding, i think.. no but love rangers, hockey, then yankees, and like the knicks just because i i remember both knicks and rangers were both going for the championships and cup in 94, and both teams were there at the games supporting each other and i thought that was great for fans of both sports or just one. as vfar as the game itself, i like playin b ball, but not watching. same with football. love playin it, not watching. the thing that drew me to hockey was the non stop action and speed of the game. the skill required is greater imo to be a hockey player than most opther sports. except maybe soccer. to not use hands at all, and the way they score some of those goals takes lots of skill and i have an appreciation for that, even if its not the most exciting to watch. kinda like lacrosse.

Im aware of the players/contracts you mentioned and the practice. As you said, Beckett/Lackey might – in the end – turn out to be albatross contracts, but at this point, they are not. The Yankees are paying more to A.J. Burnett than the Red Sox are to Beckett or Lackey.

oleo

Much of the Yankees team is homegrown. It’s a misconception put forth by the media that the Yankees always buy the best players and field an all-star team.

Carp

If everyone’s cheating, is it really considered cheating?

Alex only “cheated” in 3 years, 2001-2003, with the Texas Rangers. He has not “cheated” in 7 years.

If you cheat on your wife, are you still considered a “cheater” 7 years later?

So, lastly, taking drugs was not against any rules at the time ARod took them. So how is it cheating? Has ARod ever been suspended under the new CBA for testing positive for drug usage? I believe the answer is NO!

In fact – although ARod netted more money as a result of his statistics, which may or may not be attributed to drug usage – one could consider Alex Rodriguez a team player, for sacrificing his body and long-term health for the good of the team.

YO Tim , umm sneak outta that name cuz yer driving down the Cr9 road .
Your talking like serious ,contrivercial,borderline conspercy,baseball talk and cheating . This is not the nice Tim we know. You may wanna find a phonebooth to change costumes.

Baseball players don’t take steroids to hit the ball harder or run or throw faster, they take them to stay awake while standing around waiting for somebody to finally hit a fair ball.

Of the big sports there is only one that hasn’t become a circus, which is why I only like hockey, though I do appreciate the athleticism of the other sports. I’m afraid if hockey continues to try to “grow” and “increase their fan base” by tweaking its rules yearly and becoming “tremendously tremendous” it will join the three ring fray, though.

Well, “once a cheater always a cheater”, from 2 posters that are among the posters I respect the most…

Here is my response: People change. Just because there’s some saying does not make the saying true. I’d be willing to bet that every single one of you has cheated at something in your life. Does that make you a cheater? Where do you draw the line at what is considered a cheater?

He cheated in a game of baseball. So what? Bud Selig allowed the Texas Rangers – a team in bankruptcy – to acquire top players and salary. Isn’t that cheating? Why should the Texas Rangers be allowed to acquire players that’s not on their dime? According to Selig, it was to make them more valuable for their imminent auction. What a flying heap of …. He allowed it because it cost the Yankees Cliff Lee, and it makes one of the possible competitors of the Yankees this postseason – if the Yankees are fortunate enough to make it there – better.

ORR!!
“I don’t like any NY teams. For some reason I always root against them, besides NYR, ”

Hahaaa you root for the Rangers? HAHAHA thats a good one. Ya must really hate the Yankees and the others. Who and what do you actually root for cuz ya think everyone sucks and there nothing to look forward too with this sad and pathetic club.

I hate the Yankees / money argument because the Yankees really are tremendously home-grown. The difference is that when all their home-grown youngsters become superstar free agents, they can afford to keep them in town.

“If you cheat on your wife, are you still considered a ‘cheater’ 7 years later?”

Yes.

Has David Ortiz ever been suspended under the new CBA for testing positive for drug usage? I believe the answer is NO!

In fact – although David Ortiz netted more money as a result of his statistics, which may or may not be attributed to drug usage – one could consider David Ortiz a team player, for sacrificing his body and long-term health for the good of the team.

Has Roger Clemens ever been suspended under the new CBA for testing positive for drug usage? I believe the answer is NO!

In fact – although Roger Clemens netted more money as a result of his statistics, which may or may not be attributed to drug usage – one could consider David Ortiz a team player, for sacrificing his body and long-term health for the good of the team.

Did anyone see that video of a guy sucker punching a girl in the back of the head outside a club at 2 a.m., and MMA/Former UFC former Roger Huerta was in the area, and he beat the living crap out of the guy?

It’s horribly shot by some civilian, so you don’t see much. The bastard got what he deserved.

“Hahaaa you root for the Rangers? HAHAHA thats a good one”

You doubt that I’m a Rangers fan? I’m sorry for being a realistic fan these days.

I don’t want to discuss this any further, because I don’t want to ruin a perfectly good day for all of you.

I do just want to respond re: Scutaro and Beltre to CTB.

Scutaro turned down more money and more years (job security) from the Oakland A’s. He was a 35 year old coming off a career year. Being a average/below average player, he SHOULD have used his career year to try and net him the most money and job security he could. But as per Scutaro, he went to the Red Sox for less “for the chance to win”

Beltre, I agree with. He’s been a bum for the last 5 years. That’s why he took the 1 year deal with an option. But, being a Boras client and having an MVP year this year, he should decline his $5 million vested to $10 million option and hit free agency again. It is harder to find 3rd basemen with prime offensive numbers than many of the other positions. Therefore, he should be a hot commodity given his MVP like year.

sure the Yankees have homegrown players and have a fairly solid farm system but that is also due to them continuing to go over slot, spending a fortune in the international market.

just b/c the Yankees have good homegrown players, doesnt make it ok do fill the rest of the spots with other teams all-stars. The Yankees have every right to sign or trade for every player they want but its getting to the point where its a little ridiculous.

next season there is an 80%-90% chance Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford next season are both signed to go along with the 16 current or former all-stars the Yankees have used this season…its just out of control…

“So, lastly, taking drugs was not against any rules at the time ARod took them. So how is it cheating?”

You’re right, strictly it isn’t. Just odd that (presumably) not one player ever openly admitted to using these legal drugs at the time and equally odd that players are either forced into “confessing” to using them in the past or are prepared to go to the courts to prove that they didn’t.

But clearly, as you imply, while “every player was cheating”, it is also true that “every player” magically stopped upon joining the Yankees.

I wanna see a list of the top players who hasn’t used any sorta enhancement drug. Is baseball so diluted , we don’t know who good and whos doping? Doping is illegal and using a needle to inject steriods is dangerous and selfish. If you wanna be a team player , you set an EXAMPLE for teammates and kids. Any one who has used the drug is looking out for them selves and is wrong. I’d never inject stuff in my body to inhance muscle mass..its been label bad sinse the 70’s. Arnold Swarrzanegger prob used them and is a role model . People take different paths and either go right or go wrong. A rod went wrong and hes paying for it , his legacy is tarnished and it no ones fault but his own. Its life , sorry to say Cr9.

I’m almost sorry I brought up the whole A-Rod thing, and I certainly don’t want to push your buttons, Tim. But there’s no way of knowing he only cheated those three years and that he hasn’t cheated the last seven years, and he could be cheating still because they can’t test for this stuff now. And all circumstantial evidence suggests (and will probably eventually be brought out as fact) that Clemens did use while with the Yankees. For one thing, the guy who ratted him was working in the Yankees clubhouse, and two, his best buddy on the team and workout partner admitted to cheating with HGH.

Don’t be sorry for bringing it up. I’m more than capable of holding a discussion without going off-the-wall crazy. It’s done and over now. But I will leave it with a couple of quotes about Alex:

“There is not a single person who donates more money AND makes more personal appearances for the Taylor Hooten Foundation to stop PED use for kids than Alex. He doesn’t bring a camera crew around, doesn’t talk about, he just does it. He has lived up to his word to Taylor’s father when he said he would do it. He’s a good guy who has grown up a lot the past few years.”

“People make mistakes, they are given chances to fix things. No one is immune from it, we want to have the opportunity to make things right and get on with our lives. Alex made a mistake, in many ways he seems better for it being exposed and admitting it. Has he admitted everything, I don’t know. But he has squared around and is fixing things. He participates in youth programs and educates kids on PED’s. He has it seems become a better teammate and has won a World Series, putting the Yankees on his back and winning it all. He has been very classy about the whole things, which is more than you can say for several others. People like that in another human being. If he has come clean, then he should not be berated for his mistakes, just like you would not like to be held down by yours.”

I believe that a majority of players ,over 90 percent in the minors and bigs took steroids and other banned substances.
You have to be nuts to think otherwise.
With all the money to be made you would be a schmuck not to.
Who cares? Its in all sports even bass fishing .
That’s a sport?

On the football field he was a human wrecking ball..greatly feared because of not only his ferocious playing style but his ability to bring a nasty attitude to his game. He had a huge powerful body, and he threw it around with abandon.
And then one day he found out that his body was betraying him.
He had bad news from the Medics…his life was about over.
He learned that the steroids that he had been taking to achieve his greatness had finally done him in. Incurable.
He stopped them completely but it was far too late.His body began to shrink from it’s massive proportions to more realistic dimensions, but his attitude was most notably changed. He was frightened, and he at one point near the end, he pitifully claimed that he didn’t want to die.
But he did. God rest his soul. I’ve seldom felt more sorry for an individual than I did for him – he was like a Roman candle, he flashed brilliantly for a brief period then
disappeared forever. And as it happened just about that
time a young man who went to High School with my oldest daughter drove us to a gathering for the school and I noted his most prodigious body dimensions, and he told me that he’d been taking steroids. I asked him if he knew of the dangers…he admitted that he did, and that he was no longer taking them. He said that what really stopped him was the way that it changed his personality. He found himself becoming much more aggressive to everyone, and that he could no longer control his behavior. It was a revelation to me. I believe that the same epiphany occurred to the wrestler Hulk Hogan. Folks it’s a one way trip to the end of the line.

I doubt ARoid really cares what we think – he just hit his 600th (chemically aided) Home Run and also found out that Nolan Ryan is planning to pay him the full $25m he is owed by the Texas Rangers – could he have had a better week?

hey boneheads!! cccp, double impact was cutting edge movie making back in 91!!! oh baby! i was 11, and van damme was the man!!! the classic scene where the bad guy says” what?!, now there are 2 of them”!!! and 2 van dammes are 3 times better than just 1!! haha. hey, heard eddie”mouth” shout you ou on blueshirt banter! and carp and the boneheads!! way to represent my long lost odessa jedi brother!!