Your last sentence - What the hell does being a woman have ANYTHING to do with it? Answer - nothing, unless you have an issue with females in positions of power. It is actually quite simple to side with Hillary over Donny Trump. All one has to do is listen to him speak for about 30 seconds, then, compare what you've heard from him to reality. Done.

Hillary, whether you like it or not, was and still is FAR more suited to be the president of our country than the fraudulent lying individual that some of you support based on the logic that well.... at least he isn't her. I mean, what the hell kind of reasoning is that!? I find it amusing that we conveniently forget things.... So, just so we are clear, you are aware of just who Putin is and what he does. If you are not, watch the news today. Also, the adoption thing. It is cheaper and easier (because of the red tape associated with our own countries mess) to adopt from out of the country. Also, the things you mention about our country are, well,.....our own fault. Lack of education, poorly written old laws, enforcement of these laws onto minorities which results in wasted money, resources, single parent families, poverty, need for assistance, etc.

And... this, I was born here, this is my country, I don't care about immigration. Well, based off of that logic, why study history at all? Why celebrate certain holidays..... F - it. So, I am clear here. WE Americans of European decent. Whether it be 2, 4, 5, generations removed. (prob closer to 2 or 3 for most), quite literally and figuratively stole this nation from the inhabitants that were her first. Christopher Columbus did NOT discover this country by the way. There were people (human beings) here.... We then, shortly there after, displaced the natives, put them where it was convenient for our intentions. Now.... just 2-4 generations later, say things like you said. Completely down playing our origins and the actual history of our country and our land. It is a disgrace of large scale proportions and this way of thinking is propagated by our current leader and even worse, many of his less than informed supporters.

your soap box diatribe not withstanding I do not want my great great great grand children living on some reservation in north dakota so it is damned past time to dictate who is allowed here and who is not . Why is it that people that say the old ways were stupid and uneducated every time a social issue needs reformed then cling to then nation's principles when it suffices , hey the country was founded on this and this after they systematically dismantled the founding fathers work . I think if the founding fathers were to return in a time machine they may say hey EFF it we screwed up lets give this place back to the NATIVEs and go home. Every country that doesn't stem massive immigration will fail in the next half century BOOK it whether they be the land of the free or the home of the brave or the old colonial powers or wherever . Of course the globalists would pimp this as progress if all sovereign nations failed leading to one big puddle , that is doomsday for humanity .It made for a cute story line on star trek but the people that lead cannot be trusted regardless of party and they do not have your best interests at heart. One of the primary reasons I climbed on the trump train was the democrats and republicans both hated him that seemed like a great start towards a brighter future but it seems it is only business as usual .
Any red blooded american citizen that isn't on board with a stricter or near zero immigration policy at this point then I truly question their loyalty or intelligence.

Any sympathy for HRC and her corporate benefactors who spent huge amounts of cash and they didn't do it because they thought she was right for the american people you can bet yer arse on that fact. They expected return on investment and they would have gotten it in spades at the expense of the american people. So be bitter if you must but enjoy the new optimism in the country from the working class as it replaces the old optimism of the pie in the sky socialist utopia . The elitist liberals are begging for failure , which is sickening like shaving points or betting against your self so very very sad . Those who screech for tolerance got it but like a heroin addict they needed more and more to feed their habit and at some point the rest of the country's patience hit rock bottom.

.....this has been a public service announcement from forum superstar clarion contrarion

If I see a thread that bothers me, I just move on usually. But I can't help myself here, this has to be one of the dumbest threads I've ever clicked on. Can't we move this thread where it belongs? Like the deleted folder. There is no reason whatsoever to mix fantasy and politics. Well unless we are talking about the DFS troubles. So let me rephrase, there is no reason for Dynasty football and politics to mix. Not good bedfellows. Some times it's hard enough for us all to stay reasonable and civil discussing football. Why on earth throw politics on top?

By the way Sug,

The "Off-Topic" title that you clicked on to read the post you just complained about / took the time to comment on, has under it, a list of things that are included in that thread. The first word is "Politics". I agree with you that fantasy football doesn't necessarily mix with politics but I was under the assumption that this forum title and this thread specifically was put here for that very reason.

I also think we should never dampen discussion on the subjects of Religion and Politics. Discussion is the first step toward any resolution.

Just saying.

Peace.

Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.

I've followed portions of this thread out of a slight interest in what people bring to the table but the problem with this "discussion" has the same problem that exists on every forum, social media site, etc. Those that are trying to argue their points are not there with a willingness to change their minds. They are there to promote their own beliefs and dismiss anything to the contrary.

I have no problem with this topic (or others) existing in the Off Topic sub-forum because that is where they belong. Anyone who thinks they will win others over to their own viewpoint is misguided.

When the ignorant are out of arguments they fall back on name calling, vulgarity, and threats.

If I share information that is new to semi new to many, and it is current, & supported by current evidence and accurate news reporting (NOT FOX), I have no problem leaving that out there, and letting people make up their own minds. You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink. At least this way, there is water so to speak.... and, At least then, they can form an informed opinion if they so chose.

I think you stating that people that click on this thread and come here with a mind set that they want to argue is speculation. You may be speaking for others that perhaps don't share that approach. I can only hope that a few people that are semi curious and are more "on the fence" - can at least now be in a slightly more informed position as they will have at least another view point to consider and contemplate along with what they came to the thread with.

Anyway you slice it, It is much better to openly discuss common paradigms and misconceptions than not. And... having the information and making an un-informed opinion is the lazy approach and ultimately that is what the majority of adult Americans do. That is why I take the time to share. I'm very much hoping people take time to read my previous posts in this "off topic thread" and double check my statement an claims. Verify and look into what I shared. Double check for accuracy.

I assure you, that it will be an eye opening experience for many.

Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.

so fox sucks but the other billionaire owned new corps are Ok is that your scientific findings , even after that puke election cycle when it was obvious to anyone with a brain that nearly all of the mainstream media was in the tank for hillary or jeb or cruz or rubio anyone they could line up against trump because they hated him so much. IS that the objectivity you crave with your scientific method . All corporate news is a sham and if you are using it and feeling informed then you likely are in a deep hypnotic trance or suffer from a psychosis .
When someone is pulverized for preaching about protecting our sovereignty and another is given a pass pimping for unlimited immigration how do you call that accurate news . That is tantamount to treason and bought paid for viewpoint of globalist useful idiots programmed by billionaires who have no loyalty except to their own pile of money . They can turn this country into a 3rd world hellhole and jet off while the rank and file average joe is here stuck mostly wanting to mind their own business , work , go home and enjoy their family .
Perhaps your accurate news should report that

Believing the " accurate" news is like listening to adam schefter or jason la canfora oh they get it right once in awhile but they pay a price of being a news creator rather than a reporter . They get used for what the teams or players or agents want them to say or report to get the stories out to sway opinion or float an idea for a league change or a trade or a team move . To wit 50 different talking head puppets all saying the same bullshit about how great it is that the raiders going to vegas or rams and chargers moving to L.A - evidently that part of the football is family tree was put up for adoption. Understanding that "news" and the attempt to sway opinion it is really just corporate advertising dressed as news , the corporate media does exactly the same thing just with a different set of topics. Rarely a true dissenting voice just manufactured arguments about ancillary topics & rarely someone trashing the powers that be on serious issues .
Mostly just puppets of the machine not exactly woodward and bernstein .

.....this has been a public service announcement from forum superstar clarion contrarion

One word for the first 100 days of the worst most UN-presidential president in the history of the US. Hypocrisy. This guy may just well be the most hypocritical president to have ever held office. It is truly astounding if you look back, rewatch his campaign tape, then look at current news. Yuck.

Pouring salt on the open festering wound is the realization that about 40-45% of the American public is blissfully unaware, don't care, or are still actually waiting for a real wall to be built and happy about the absolute chaos..... I am now officially questioning the status of the American public's intellect, and precisely how easy it is for a used car salesman to sell them - junk - and for them to be somehow happy about it as they drive off.

Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.

One word for the first 100 days of the worst most UN-presidential president in the history of the US. Hypocrisy. This guy may just well be the most hypocritical president to have ever held office. It is truly astounding if you look back, rewatch his campaign tape, then look at current news. Yuck.

Pouring salt on the open festering wound is the realization that about 40-45% of the American public is blissfully unaware, don't care, or are still actually waiting for a real wall to be built and happy about the absolute chaos..... I am now officially questioning the status of the American public's intellect, and precisely how easy it is for a used car salesman to sell them - junk - and for them to be somehow happy about it as they drive off.

Were you trying to make a point or were still you just crying because Trump won and defeated the criminal and the socialist?

Hillary doesn't have the sparq score of Bernie . As mentioned before Sanders has the youth factor on his side. Plus Bernie is more of a "We" guy where as Clinton is more "me" . Not to mention the many fumbles while she was off at "State" college combined with poor interview skills. Even if we could get Tulsi at the 1.09 I don't think I'd make the trade deal. Which brings up another flaw of the Clinton campers.

Not since the great Reagan draft of 1980 has an older rookie went #1 overall. Only Obama came with as much as hoopla but returned only mediocre results despite all the Hope & Promises . Bernie was blackballed during the run up to the draft process but I predict he will have a far greater impact than any of the aforementioned players. Trump came from out of nowhere to get the nod as starter somehow despite getting less votes from the fans. Bernie ended up as an undrafted Free Agent that looks more promising as we continue to see the shortcomings of the current & former more high profile picks at the top of the draft.

Rather than banging my head against the wall that will never be built or blaming a Russian conspiracy cover up to hide Hillary's obvious flaws I'm sticking with the consistency of the player out of Vermont. Eventually I hope the best person for the job prevails to lead us to victory