Jaina and Lorthemar Theron may die

Post by Arberian021

I got information from trusted resources of infomation that Jaina and Lorthemar Theron may die at the Siege of Orgrimmar. I didnt said they will , i said they may die. Of if they don't die there will be an escort quest that Lorthemar Theron and Jaina must not die and the players must not fail the quest.

I achieved information that Sylvannas and Lorthemar Theron will take part on the siege of Orgrimmar!Lorthemar Theron, Sylvannas and Jaina will meet each other in the Siege of Orgrmmar!

Post by Rankkor

What the hell, my friend extracted the sound files from last patch's MPQ on PTR. Aahaahhaha!

Or....your friend was looking at MMOChump, Wowhead, or any of the other sites that find things like this....

No he used MPQ editor and copied some Blizzard Files out of the MPQs ! I was there man XP !

So?

Regardless of how he obtained them, those sound-files are public knowledge, everyone has heard them already, and as Dragon Soul taught us, sound without context must be taken with MASSIVE doses of salt.

I'll remind you that there were datamined soundfiles from Dragon Soul that had both Alextrazsa and Ysera dying, complete with "we have failed, we die knowing we tried" or something along those lines. Leading quite a few to speculate that they would in fact DIE during the raid. Turns out that was just the audio clips for the Ultraxion fight, were if you wipe, or reach the enrage timer, they do die.

Here's another example of why audio-files from betas and PTRs must be taken with MASSIVE doses of salt: The 5.1 questline very clearly had anduin dying, complete with Jaina mourning his death, and using that death as an excuse to attack the sunreavers in dalaran. Turns out, those were not final and they changed the quest to have anduin simply injured and presumed dead by Garrosh.

Want another example? Early on the cataclysm beta, there were leaked soundfiles about Magister Rommath from Silvermoon working for the Twilight Hammer, as well as Archbishop Benedictus. These 2 were unmasked in the quest leading up to the twilight highlands. And Benedictus was publicly outed as a traitor in front of all of stormwind.

How did it turned out? The Rommath dialog was scraped altogether and its not canon, and while benedictus as a traitor did happened, it did so quite differently, as he was never publicly outed, and the church actually covered up his involvement with the Twilight Hammer.

So in short, clips of Jaina and Lor'themar screaming in agony declaring their deaths, have to be taken with extreme doses of salt, as these sound clips could be either not final, and completely non-implemented (such as the ones regarding Anduin dying, or Rommath being a traitor) or genuine clips taken out of context (Such as Alextrazsa or Ysera dying)

Post by Arberian021

What the hell, my friend extracted the sound files from last patch's MPQ on PTR. Aahaahhaha!

Or....your friend was looking at MMOChump, Wowhead, or any of the other sites that find things like this....

No he used MPQ editor and copied some Blizzard Files out of the MPQs ! I was there man XP !

So?

Regardless of how he obtained them, those sound-files are public knowledge, everyone has heard them already, and as Dragon Soul taught us, sound without context must be taken with MASSIVE doses of salt.

I'll remind you that there were datamined soundfiles from Dragon Soul that had both Alextrazsa and Ysera dying, complete with "we have failed, we die knowing we tried" or something along those lines. Leading quite a few to speculate that they would in fact DIE during the raid. Turns out that was just the audio clips for the Ultraxion fight, were if you wipe, or reach the enrage timer, they do die.

Here's another example of why audio-files from betas and PTRs must be taken with MASSIVE doses of salt: The 5.1 questline very clearly had anduin dying, complete with Jaina mourning his death, and using that death as an excuse to attack the sunreavers in dalaran. Turns out, those were not final and they changed the quest to have anduin simply injured and presumed dead by Garrosh.

Want another example? Early on the cataclysm beta, there were leaked soundfiles about Magister Rommath from Silvermoon working for the Twilight Hammer, as well as Archbishop Benedictus. These 2 were unmasked in the quest leading up to the twilight highlands. And Benedictus was publicly outed as a traitor in front of all of stormwind.

How did it turned out? The Rommath dialog was scraped altogether and its not canon, and while benedictus as a traitor did happened, it did so quite differently, as he was never publicly outed, and the church actually covered up his involvement with the Twilight Hammer.

So in short, clips of Jaina and Lor'themar screaming in agony declaring their deaths, have to be taken with extreme doses of salt, as these sound clips could be either not final, and completely non-implemented (such as the ones regarding Anduin dying, or Rommath being a traitor) or genuine clips taken out of context (Such as Alextrazsa or Ysera dying)

I was just speculating that there is a chance that they may die ! I didnt said they WILL die! U missunderstood!

Post by Nathanyal

I was just speculating that there is a chance that they may die ! I didnt said they WILL die! U missunderstood!

He didn't misunderstand, he was just clarifying that things like this have happened in the past and it can be misconstrued.

Post by felhunter

i dnt mind if they might kill Jaina off, her character took a turn for the worse in this expansion.

but would be a shame if Lor'themar died. he finally saw some screen time, and it was pretty decent.would like to see more of him in future expansions.

Post by lonewolfe31705

I got information from trusted resources

As Rankkor so eloquently put it, the PTR and Beta realms are not trusted resources....

Personally, I think the devs like putting stuff like this in there just to screw with people who think that because its on the PTR it will make it to live.

Post by Rankkor

I was just speculating that there is a chance that they may die ! I didnt said they WILL die! U missunderstood!

I misunderstood nothing, I'm telling you, speculation without context is pointless, and this is PTR.

Personally, I think the devs like putting stuff like this in there just to screw with people who think that because its on the PTR it will make it to live.

Not really, making a game is a convoluted process, a lot of ideas are tossed around, discarded, or accepted, Bioshock Infinite had enough cut content to make at least 3 extra games, its not their fault that people are curious and datamine an unfinished product to get a sneak-peek at what is to come.

PTR is just a petri-dish, what we're "Supposed" to do with it is test out the content, prune out the glitches, and help improve the product. What we're not supposed to do, is dissect it and see what we can find behind the curtain. Betas don't reflect the finished state of a product.

Look at the crapstorm that was formed over the "Stromgarde scenario". Or the Tri-spec. Those were just developer experiments that were not supposed to see the light of day, but people datamined them, and automatically assumed they were features that were going to be implemented.

We are not supposed to look inside, and if we do, we are supposed to automatically assume none of that is ever making it live as is.

i dnt mind if they might kill Jaina off, her character took a turn for the worse in this expansion.

but would be a shame if Lor'themar died. he finally saw some screen time, and it was pretty decent.would like to see more of him in future expansions.

You have no idea how much I agree with you.

I liked jaina, she was my second favorite character in the game (right behind thrall). But then blizz really damaged Thrall's characterization by marrying him off with Aggra (who seriously has to be one of the worst if not THE WORST written character in the game), and then they damaged Jaina by taking all the unsympathetic traits of Varian and dumping them on her and on Admiral Rogers.

So of course now not only I hate jaina, she's right behind garrosh on my s*** list. And mark my words, one day I.WILL.KILL.HER. Blizzard's phasing powers wont protect her from me forever, she evaded me on Isle of Thunder due to phasing (at least I got vereesa as a consolation prize) but she's not gonna remain hidden from me forever, one day she's gonna be somewhere without phasing and when that happens................. its payback time.

As for lor'themar, thank god he had his day on the limelight. Seriously, introduced in TBC, and done NOTHING in all that time? Even Velen has had something to do in the game, he is in the sunwell raid, and a small questchain in Swamp of sorrows, and a questchain climax on bloodmyst isle. That's not much but its something. Lor'themar has been completely absent from the game to the point you could even say blood elves have no leader ever since he was introduced, with only a very small cameo at the end of the quel'delar quest-chain.

I hope this marks the beginning of a new era of him being more active in horde storylines.

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