You know I think some people have formed an opinion, maybe they are scared of Hell so they deny it's existance? I'm not sure why some chose evil but
most on here deny both.

Since you cant send me a U2U yet,, to find me click on my name, above the eye, then at the top click on posts, it will show you the last place I
posted was. If I'm online we can get you those 20 replies.

RIGHT ON!!!! YOU GOT IT MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!! you're spot on about the religion thing. in the end its all about lucifer. of course these people of the
NWO dont look at lucifer as "the devil", lucifer to them is the "real" savior and hes a "cosmic god" blah blah blah i've heard it so many times
its hurting to type this but yea...he's supposed to come and save us and teach us to come into our own "godhoods" so we can be not like gods, but
actually be GODS. crazy # aint it?

didnt say anything bout blaming satan. i'm saying they are believers in theosophy. and that will become our "one religion".

In this they are pretty much telling us their plans, but in a nice way to lure us, to make us believe that we're all included in this plan and we
will benefit from it.

read "the will to good" and i'm sure many of you know that lucistrust is closely affiliated with the UN. i'm just saying if you put all of the
connections together this is what you end up with. and if you dont agree thats fine i'm not putting anyone down for their opinions. this is just the
links i have found. ONE OF MY SOURCES

Originally posted by plipu
RIGHT ON!!!! YOU GOT IT MAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!! you're spot on about the religion thing. in the end its all about lucifer. of course these people of the
NWO dont look at lucifer as "the devil", lucifer to them is the "real" savior and hes a "cosmic god" blah blah blah i've heard it so many times
its hurting to type this but yea...he's supposed to come and save us and teach us to come into our own "godhoods" so we can be not like gods, but
actually be GODS. crazy # aint it?

personally, the only crazy idea is that a great "teacher" will provide all the answers. i find the best answers are already inside. just learn to be
quiet and you'll hear them loud and clear.

i still do not understand why everyone looks to a outside source for something so personal. look inside yourself and you'll find a truth brighter
than anything some one can "teach" you.

continually trying to follow a path of another is counterproductive and should be avoided IMO.

well the point of this "teacher" is to help us find these things that are inside of us, to help us learn to be our own gods. that is what they call
the illumed man.

Two: There is an inner spiritual government of the planet, known under such different names as the spiritual Hierarchy, the society of Illumined
Minds, or Christ and his Church, according to various religious traditions. Humanity is never left without spiritual guidance or direction under
the Plan.

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Four: There are millions of mentally alert men and women in all parts of the world who are en rapport with the Plan and work to give it expression.
They are people in whom the consciousness of humanity as one interdependent unit is alive and active. They regard the many differing national,
religious and social systems in which they serve as modes of expanding human consciousness and ways by which humanity learns needed lessons. Their
primary function is, through their living example, to give humanity a new and better vision of what life should be.

these are the people who are "illumed" and are already one with their god consciousness, that's what they are talking about in this section.

But I did a background check on the gods and they are all murderers. So I am interested in hearing why they would murder other families yet, set up a
system to protect themselves from being murdered. Not only that, but religions and governments also? Is that the plan? Murder?

yes, the goodwill and peace is a partial smokescreen. its not meant for everyone like they're saying. not everyone is able to come into this god
consciousness and a lot will refuse to do it. they wont let these people go, they will be murdered. im still learning a lot and tryin to get a full
understanding. my brother is the one who alerted my family and i into all of this and whats going on, hes better at explaining things into depth off
the top of his head. i only know the basics. he's actually spent the past year and a half trying to make debunking and truth dvds on these things to
try and open peoples eyes. they're pretty awesome and scary. but yea i just wanted to put my input here and i hope i shared some things that people
didnt know or might be interested in looking into themselves. im going to bed all good night :3

one more thing. a good visual example is the end of the movie "knowing". the aliens represent the "illumed man/god conscious" and they took only a
select few through out the world to start a NEW WORLD. they only took the children because 1, their minds could easily dispose of the old and welcome
the new and 2, because they had the god consciousness in them. the rest of the world died while they lived on in their new utopia which resembled the
garden of eden and the tree of knowledge; the tree of knowledge being all the knowledge to teach you to be a god. if this doesnt make sense then just
research research research. goodnight

Worshiping the devil has been the general practice of social religions for thousands of years. Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Jainism, Islam, etc...
They are all worshiping "gods" of the material regions. There are many, many so called faiths or religions or beliefs that fall in the same
category. That doesn't mean they are in direct violation of the golden rule or natural law (don't harm others, their property, their right of
passage, or mislead them in agreements). What is means is that they remain ensnared in the cycle of chaurasi or perpetual rebirth in varied forms of
material existence.

Then how do you know it was meant for you? Is this a form of "irrestible grace" like the
Puritans believed in and you just know? Usually through some "sign"?

i never said it was meant for me neither do i want it for me. becoming illumed, in MY PERSONAL BELIEFS, is having the mark of the beast. i will gladly
die for what i believe in and i would never under any circumstances be convinced that i should be part of what these people are doing. im just trying
to inform people parts of their "master plan". there will be a persecution and extermination of christians at some point, they will be the first to
die.

no its not like that. but christian theology isnt true christianity its mixed with some bs like most christian denominations. thats why a lot of
people hate christians and say they're hypocrites and such, if one denomintation gets it wrong or is f'd up people will blame ALL christians. these
men are not christian in anyway, they do not believe the God in the bible is the true God (whether you believe in the bible or not this is their
belief) they believe in astrology and the coming of the new age and lucifer, the morning star and cosmic "god". they dont believe he "fell" to
earth but that he came to earth to save man from being cave man like (i think of the right word koz im rushing) and that he came to give us knowledge
so we can be like our own gods. Irresistible Grace is just an opinion, man is flawed and cannot predict what God's plans are for us and in the bible
it is simple, accept jesus as your saviour and try to do like him and repent for you sins and try to better yourself, then you will be accepted into
heaven. god does not only pick a select "elite" of people to save. (i'm just comparing Irresistible Grace to what the bible says, you dont need to
tell me you dont believe in God i already know most of you dont and thats ok thats the path you've chosen out of free will)

I know many of you try so hard, and are so devout in your beliefs. And I also feel like religion is a positive thing for people despite its many
shortcomings. However, from an atheist's perspective, this thread is just borderline hilarious. I'd love to meet some of you guys out in the real
world.

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