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Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by cpwill

No, you have "disagrees with me" confused with "obviously therefore factually incorrect". I realize that for a member of the ivory tower, it may be difficult to distinguish between "conservative" and "obviously therefore factually incorrect", as it's not part of your training to differentiate between peoples' evidence and their conclusions when their conclusions challenge the zeitgeist, but you've been around these places long enough you should know better.

No, I make no such mistake. Your sources have in fact been shown inaccurate.

Affirmative action programs are indeed a specific example of "social justice" in the action of trodding on some hoping to lift up others (and, broadly, doing a horrible job at that). Remittances in social justice terminology are used often as payments to all the members of a politically preferred identity group, not individual direct victims of a crime; as an example, demands for remittances to American Indians for loss of territorial sovereignty, or african americans for slavery. Those who push "social justice" are also very much indeed active in seeking laws which take from some solely for the purpose of giving to others - in fact, this is now almost half of what the Federal Government does.

Demands don't actually equal action. Nor is payment for lands taken equal to your charge. As no such actual remittance has taken place, no law unfairly moving anyone over another, your charge is still baseless.

AUSTAN GOOLSBEE:I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by Dooble

On the surface, social justice is good for some, and bad for others. In reality, it's disastrous for everyone, it's just that some are used to worse all around them, so a little less worse becomes everything.

Re: Social justice

I just found this on the UN website, if someone want to know.
I'm reading the "Declaration on Social Justice for a Fair Globalization" of the International Labour Organization. So far it's not very promising.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

No, I make no such mistake. Your sources have in fact been shown inaccurate.

...no. My sources have mostly been shown to disagree with you in the interpretation of data, which you confuse with inaccuracy. Factually speaking, they are no more or less right than any other media source.

which does not keep that from being the Social Justice demand, and they can be discussed in the context of what those who are dedicated to it are pursuing. It would be rather disengenious, for example, to claim that the pro life movement does not wish (broadly) to use the coercive power of the state to radically restrict abortion simply because they have not succeeded in doing so.

As no such actual remittance has taken place, no law unfairly moving anyone over another, your charge is still baseless.

Yeah, I like how you skip over affirmative action and the other hundreds of billions that we spend on "social justice" projects that take from some to give to others. Because nobody saw that.

Re: Social justice

I have been sitting here and I couldn't up with a definition of what the term social justice means to me. I like what you said.

This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by cpwill

...no. My sources have mostly been shown to disagree with you in the interpretation of data, which you confuse with inaccuracy. Factually speaking, they are no more or less right than any other media source.

Only in the sense I don't accept inaccurate information. I'm not the only one who has called you on that.

which does not keep that from being the Social Justice demand, and they can be discussed in the context of what those who are dedicated to it are pursuing. It would be rather disengenious, for example, to claim that the pro life movement does not wish (broadly) to use the coercive power of the state to radically restrict abortion simply because they have not succeeded in doing so.

It would be equally as dose genius to act as if it had already happened. No one of any significance suggests the type of unfairness you speak of. What you are largely promoting is the misunderstanding, the perversion of the ideal.

Yeah, I like how you skip over affirmative action and the other hundreds of billions that we spend on "social justice" projects that take from some to give to others. Because nobody saw that.

I didn't skip over AA. I pointed out clearly, for all to see, that there is no requirement in the law to take anything from anyone. Once I heard Buchanan called on this and his answer was of course there is no law, but because white males believe there is such, we should d away with the actual law. He didn't seem to understand how stupid that was. Your or anyone's misperception doesn't support your claim.

AUSTAN GOOLSBEE:I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by Canell

Hi

I was thinking about "social justice" and wondered what it means to you when you hear the term. Please, explain.

Other: It sounds like nonsense.

I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Only in the sense I don't accept inaccurate information. I'm not the only one who has called you on that.

People say I used biased sources. They are correct. Everyone in here uses biased sources for the simple enough reason that every source is biased. To date, people have had a fairly tough time (you included) translating that into "cpwill uses sources who make stuff up".

It would be equally as dose genius to act as if it had already happened. No one of any significance suggests the type of unfairness you speak of. What you are largely promoting is the misunderstanding, the perversion of the ideal.

I am describing social justice as it's proponents wish it enacted. If you do not like the ugliness of that reality, perhaps you should reconsider your support for the term, or at least make clear your intention to capture it to serve another purpose of your own making.

I didn't skip over AA. I pointed out clearly, for all to see, that there is no requirement in the law to take anything from anyone. Once I heard Buchanan called on this and his answer was of course there is no law, but because white males believe there is such, we should d away with the actual law. He didn't seem to understand how stupid that was. Your or anyone's misperception doesn't support your claim.

On the contrary, to give preference to someone for a limited resource (jobs, school slots, promotions) based on their race is indeed to hold others back based on their race. AA absolutely trods on Asian and White students, which is why they sue over the matter.

Re: Social justice

Originally Posted by Surtr

Other: It sounds like nonsense.

That is another excellent point - realistically it is nonsense. People are individuals, and have justice dispensed accordingly. You cannot dispense justice to groups by taking from or altering the conditions of other groups.