Vikings “extremely frustrated” with stadium situation

Nearly a month ago, it appeared that the construction of a new Vikings stadium in Minnesota was a question of when and not if. Now, things are suddenly looking more than a little iffy.

Of all the realistic options for the location of a new stadium, the team’s last choice entails a demolition and reconstruction of the Metrodome. But as the Minnesota Legislature convenes for its 2012 regular session, that’s the option Governor Mark Dayton plans to propose.

“We were told by the governor’s office that the Linden Avenue site is not viable at least in the short run,” Vikings vice president of government affairs and stadium development Lester Bagley told the St. Paul Pioneer Press. “Vikings ownership is extremely frustrated with the situation.”

The bigger question is whether the Vikings will do anything other than huff or puff about the plan to simply blow their current house down and build a new venue there, relegating the team to multiple seasons at the University of Minnesota’s TCF Bank Stadium in the interim. During an appearance last week on PFT Live, Bagley made it clear that the Vikings aren’t doing anything to exercise whatever leverage they may have.

The team currently has no lease to play at the Metrodome or anywhere else. But the team needs to have a plan for playing its games somewhere in 2012. And if the Vikings plan to move, they must inform the league of the intention to do so by February 15.

But Bagley said last week that the team was not engaged in discussions with other cities regarding a possible move. Thus, barring a sudden change that would entail the negotiation of a comprehensive plan by February 15 for playing games in a new location by August 2012 (or a change in league rules that would give the Vikings more time to get their ducks in a row), the Vikings have no juice. The fact that Governor Mark Dayton is proposing a new stadium in the last local place the team wants it shows that the powers-that-be know the Vikings, at least for now, are going nowhere.

At some point, the Vikings need to quit being so deferential to the folks in Minnesota and start talking about alternatives, instead of generally making vague, periodic references to a possible relocation that, by all appearances, the franchise has no interest in undertaking. To get the attention of the people and the politicians in Minnesota, the Vikings need to make them think that the team could leave.

Right now, no one believes that would happen. Until they do, no one in Minnesota is going to give the Vikings what they want.

Crazy eyed Govenor Dayton changes his tune every other day. If this gets anymore complicated he’ll do just as he did when he was a Senator in 2001. Pack up and go hide. I can’t believe our teams future is stuck in the hands of a waffle.

They’d be a lot less” extremely frustrated” if they just built it themselves. But they don’t want to, because they know managing a stadium other than 8 games a year is a losing proposition, so they want to stick the taxpayers…you and I…with it.

For those that say “They should build it themselves like the Krafts did”, obviously they are ignorant of market size and economics. Minnesota does not have the market size of the coasts like Boston or Los Angeles, so it’s not possible financially for private industry to build new stadiums on their own. Even the Packers, with all their capacity to raise capital, had to ask for public government assistance in renovating Lambeau.

They should move if they can. Up until 1962 they were all Packer fans anyhow……..

The Wilf’s need the ability to bring in more revenue and the Arden Hills site can do that. Tearing down the Metro dump and rebuilding does nothing other than adding a few luxury suites. There’s no money in it for them……..and they could care less about the teams history.

The fact that so much public money has gone into the pockets of these corporate welfare kings shows how messed up our priorities are as a nation. When rich people get public subsidies and stick it in their pocket that’s capitalism. When poor people get a couple hundred dollars a month in food stamps that’s socialism. I will never understand the difference.

harrisonhits2 says:
Jan 24, 2012 2:06 PM
Simple solution Viking owners. Do what the Krafts did. Pay for your own stadium instead of trying to extort the money to do so from taxpayers who simply don’t have it these days.

Wilf is on is way to minnesota right now, mostly to ok the metrodome plan, and the U of M is currently reaching out to the u of i about how they hosted the bears out there. The vikings are going to stay right were they belong.

I believe there is an offer of 3 million square miles in L.A. for free as long as you build the stadium yourself. You are then free to develop the rest however you see fit and probably make more than your NFL franchise does for you. People here are complaining that the Rams are having one home game per year for the next three in London and how much local revenue will be lost. Try multiplying that by eight per year not to mention all the other revenue generated by having a team in your area. Heck, lose a team and lose 40+ millionaires from your area paying tons of taxes, spending their money, sending their kids to your schools etc. Consider the charity work and a ton of other intangibles. You can’t look at it like “look how much the owner makes, look how much the players make, make them pay for it” and so on or you may lose your team. They will make that anywhere, anyway. You have to look at it from the perspective of what having a team in your area does for the community. You lose that and you may never get it back.

Crazy eyed Govenor Dayton changes his tune every other day. If this gets anymore complicated he’ll do just as he did when he was a Senator in 2001. Pack up and go hide. I can’t believe our teams future is stuck in the hands of a waffle.
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At least Governor Dayton is trying to get something accomplished on a stadium for the Vikings. Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty (of Nothing) just passed it down the line for his eight years in office (just like everything else during his term.) Of course, he was a Republican so that was to be expected. Dayton has got it to the point where five different sites were looked at by the state. If we could get the “NO TAXES AT ANY COST” Repubs and the “SPEND TAXES ON SCHOOLS” Dems in the legislature to change their tune on stadium funding and agree to build it somewhere other than the MetroDump site, I am sure Dayton would go along with it. Fund Arden Hills and the stadium would be built there. It is that simple.

Speak for yourself, I’ll take any team in L.A., even better if it’s my Vikes. Everyone knows the Chargers are going to move before the Vikings do. The Vikes mean too much to Minnesota, even if they are terrible at the moment.

I’m afraid the time has come Mr. Wilf to say the hell with these people. The people are whining about participating in the funding for it and the legislators are simply echoing what the tax payers are saying. What’s funny is the debt on the Dome was paid off in the early nineties and the city/state has been making money on it ever since yet don’t want to make any substantial monetary funding for it. Don’t want to see the Vikings leave but would not blame Wilf if they did.

Where are they going to threaten to move too thTs bettdr than MN. If they were to leave, another team would move to MN in a heart beat. If you don’t want what the State is willing to pay for, build it your own self. Beggars cant be choosers!!

Not being too familiar with this overall situation how did it get this far without some form of plans being agreed upon? The lease has RUN OUT and you have nothing in place, astounding!!!

I am not really a fan of using public money to help private business but if that is overall worthwhile to the local economy you do it, if not you do not.

I am sure public opinion is divided, if I am the owner it would be really hard for me to deal with such useless politicians and as hard and unpopular as it would be I would go take my team somewhere else.

Least we forget what happened last off season this ceased to be a sport a long time ago, its a business!

People who complpain that no public funds should go into a stadium make me giggle. The stadium and the team bring so much money not only in to the city they are located in but into the whole State. A good portion of the fans attending the game are from Iowa, South Dakota, North Dakota, and even Canada. These people buy fuel, food and lodging. Not only pumping $$ in to the economy, but paying taxes on their goods and services. The stadium also supports the buisnesses in and around the area. Providing more tax dollars and economic benefits. Now local fans getting game, pay $25 parking fees, Light rail and North star line tickets, supporting public transportation, providing jobs and such. This is not to include the game day jobs and the full time jobs inside the orginization, again providing tax dollars and good paying jobs to once again pump into the economy. The Vikings are a cultural intity, by far the most popular team in the state. The stadium will get done, public funds WILL and should be used, it just takes time to work things out.

By saying on the record they have no plans to leave aren’t the Vikings destroying any leverage they may have?

If my lease is up on my townhouse and the landlord wants to increase my rent, what would happen if I told the landlord, ‘I have no intention of leaving but I want a cheaper lease?’ Once I tell him I’m not leaving regardless of what happens, I have no leverage and will not be getting a better deal anytime soon.

If the Vikes don’t want the new stadium at the current site but at the site of their choosing, they need to increase their leverage, not throw a giant bomb on it.

I’m afraid this is the last straw. The state of Minnesota has been yanking the Vikings’ chain now for more than a decade, and this may be the final insult.

I wouldn’t blame Wilf if he pulled up stakes and left. The twin cities have proven they don’t have what it takes to support an NFL franchise. The governor and state legislators don’t give a rip. Wilf can get a better deal from another city, and he needs to start entertaining offers from cities that are serious about landing an NFL franchise, and leave Dayton and his compatriots to their stupid shell games.

Regardless, whereever Wilf goes, he’ll be treated better than he has been by the cut-rate bush-leaguers in Minnesota.

Quit cow-towing to the Indian Casino lobbyists and pass the Racino bill and/or put the Block E casino downtown. The stadium could be put anywhere in the metro area and be paid for, plus additional money could go into the state coffers for schools, infrastructure, etc. And don’t hide behind the “high moral standards” of not pushing the evils of gambling. Name one politician that is of “High Moral Standards”. They’re all about who is giving them the most money or what lies they have to tell to get re-elected. they couldn’t give half a crap less about the people they represent. Quit the BS and pass a real stadium bill. Tearing down an outhouse and putting a new outhouse on top of it doesn’t change anything. Its still an outhouse. Build a stadium that the state can be proud of, don’t just build it on the cheap just to pass something.

Maybe they can build it out of Legos, thats probably cheaper than brick and mortar. LegoLand Field!

I think it’s funny when liberals such as yourself decry the rich their entire lives but want everybody’s tax dollars spent on funding a billion dollar playground for a billionaire. that’s hypocrisy at its greatest.

and the myth behind sports teams contributing so much to economies must be put to rest-besides maybe playoff games or superbowls.

now it is true that Minneapolis will lose money if the vikings leave…BUT…people in MN will just spend their money elsewhere if the vikings move. instead of buying tickets or jerseys, maybe they take a vacation, or go fishing, hunting, see a movie, gambling, you name it.

the only effect is where the money will be transferred. MN may lose some money, but someplace else, maybe WI or Iowa, may gain money. money is simply transferred from one product to another. some win. some lose. the net effect is essentially zero.

Ziggy is opposed to building on the Metrodump site because he promised to build a sheep barn at the Arden Hills site as part of the fan experience area. MN, the state where the women are scarce and the sheep are scared.

Minnesotans are extremely loyal when it comes to sports teams. I’ve lived in a number of states, and the lowest number of bandwagoners comes from Minnesota. They will support bad teams like the Timberwolves and the Vikings until the day they die. (I realize this is strange coming from a Packers fan, but my family is from Wisconsin – I hold no ill will towards my Packer-hating neighbors)

Minnesotans are among the thriftiest people in America. They love spending money. They will easily support a new stadium any day now. Minnesota also has one of the warmest climates around. They do such a great job with pot holes too.

Why not move to L.A? Put taxpayer financing up for a vote, and if they reject it, then there obviously is not enough support. If you have to fight tooth and nail to keep a team, is it really worth it? I just don’t want to see the taxpayers get jerked around like the shenanigans with the Miami Marlins.

sj39 says:
Jan 24, 2012 2:27 PM
I believe there is an offer of 3 million square miles in L.A. for free as long as you build the stadium yourself. You are then free to develop the rest however you see fit and probably make more than your NFL franchise does for you. People here are complaining that the Rams are having one home game per year for the next three in London and how much local revenue will be lost. Try multiplying that by eight per year not to mention all the other revenue generated by having a team in your area. Heck, lose a team and lose 40+ millionaires from your area paying tons of taxes, spending their money, sending their kids to your schools etc. Consider the charity work and a ton of other intangibles. You can’t look at it like “look how much the owner makes, look how much the players make, make them pay for it” and so on or you may lose your team. They will make that anywhere, anyway. You have to look at it from the perspective of what having a team in your area does for the community. You lose that and you may never get it back.
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Beautifully said. Look at Indianapolis. That was a podunk town before the Colts moved there and Lucas Oil Stadium was built. Now they’re hosting Super Bowls, Final Fours, Big Ten Tournament, NFL scouting combine, etc. and it’s a big-time city.

My Vikings have no one to blame but themselves, for this development. They have been playin the nice guy who wants to please (minnesota politicians) for far too long.
Grow a pair, and be assertive…if they dont give you more of what you want….then move.

Unemployment, people homeless, gas prices through the roof and these bums want the tax payers to foot the bill for a sports stadium?

Sell PSL’s, borrow money just like I did to buy my house. Get investors to pony up the dough.

Do what the Krafts did. You should see what it looks like now. The stadium, hotels, restaurants, stores, a huge movie theater. 1.3 MILLION square feet of stores. All built with PRIVATE funds. The only thing the state kicked in was a couple of million for road improvements.

The problem is the people evidently do not support public money for this, so the pols are all dodging it.
Demands for a referendum predicted to fail killed the Ramsey County/Arden hills plan.

Republicans control the House and the Senate,
Gov Dayton is from Dem dominated Minneapolis.
So, even if they get a plan, the R’s are likely to demand a referendum, more delays.

There is already a 5 billion $ deficit.
I don’t know how they sell this in the current economic environment.
They will push it as a jobs bill, but that collides a bit with the image of a 400 million dollar handout to a 1 percenter and his millionaire employees.

@deconjonesbitchslap, you beat me to it. I was gonna start with the line:

“People who complain that sports teams shouldn’t leave or our economy will suffer make me giggle,” and then pretty much say what you wrote.

It’s all substitution effect economics — any given family is gonna spend a certain amount on entertainment in a given year (whether or not they budget it, it just happens). The presence of a sports team doesn’t change that. All it does is take that money that would have been spent on theaters, restaurants, retail, other trips, etc. and redirect it to the pockets of athletes and owners (and to a lesser extent, restaurants/shops near the stadium, but again, that pulls away from other restaurants/shops). There’s good research that bears all this out…at BEST, having a team is neutral for the local economy.

@deconjonesbitchslap, you nearly lost me on was the “liberal” accusation. It was a) unnecessary and b) inaccurate.

The twin cities have proven they don’t have what it takes to support an NFL franchise
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So true, u can’t expect an owner to pick up the tab for everything. I hope they move, cause the NFL will never bring a team back there

Metrodump sucks. The best idea is to build in Arden Hills, OBVIOUSLY. I bet every true Vikes fan would pitch in a weeks pay AND volunteer to help build the new stadium. All I would want in return is free beer, and a purple hammer. And a chance to chase Dayton around for awhile on the the nice new sod, I can’t believe these idiots. Get Well, AP. *** SKOL!***

Ziggy is opposed to building on the Metrodump site because he promised to build a sheep barn at the Arden Hills site as part of the fan experience area. MN, the state where the women are scarce and the sheep are scared.

TCF Stadium?!? Yeah, it’s a nice place – that seats what, maybe 40,000? Can’t imagine a pro team, even one as bad as the Boneheads, playing an entire season there. Let alone two or three seasons. Of course even there some outfit like 3M would probably have to step in frequently to buy up tickets and keep the “sellout” streak going. Pathetic.

I think it’s funny when liberals such as yourself decry the rich their entire lives but want everybody’s tax dollars spent on funding a billion dollar playground for a billionaire.

Sorry dude, registered/active Republican (ran my precinct caucus earlier this month). I do not believe in over taxing the rich. but I do believe in investing money into the economy. Lord knows politicians have wasted more money on less. In addition the Tax payers are not funding the entire project. The Wilfs have made a generous offer, much more them most other team owners have. The Wilfs want to invest in the area, yes it will line their pockets, but it will provide jobs, it will keep buisnesses running (if at the dome site), and it will grow the economy. If the Vikings pull out, look for the area around the Metrodome to start looking a lot like block E. People depend on the Vikings, Twins, Wolves and Wild to provide jobs. How many people work at Target field and move right over to the Metrodome once the Football season starts. Look how the area around Target field has growen since it has opened. The stadium will provide many permenant jobs (restaurants, Hotels, Fulltime positions with the Team, and Retail) as opposed to the liberal idea of running a jobs bill through congress, that creats many temporary construction jobs around election time, only to see them leave once the election is over.

You guys think it’s a joke when the Packers offer fans the opportunity to purchase “stock” in their team, but when a fan base truly loves their team they are more than happy to help out, even if that includes buying a worthless piece of paper. I can imagine most Vikings fans would love the opportunity to donate at will to ensure the teams roots remain intact, versus their state government imposing taxes, or worse…losing your team to a competing city.

gb4mn0 says:
Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM
Ziggy is opposed to building on the Metrodump site because he promised to build a sheep barn at the Arden Hills site as part of the fan experience area. MN, the state where the women are scarce and the sheep are scared.

The Colts left Baltimore, the Browns left Cleveland, the North Stars left Minnesota and the Rams and Raiders left Los Angeles. Baltimore got the Browns and a new stadium, Cleveland got a different Browns team and a new stadium, Minnesota got the Wild and a new arena and Los Angeles is going to build a stadium for a new football team. How do you think it will end in Minnesota. The Vikings are to Minnesota what the Browns were to Cleveland. If the Vikings pack up there will be a HUGE out cry. Politicians will get ousted and the new ones will start working on a stadium to try to lure a new team back. Unfortunatly when that happens, there will not be an owner willing to contribute (if there is, it will not be what the Wilfs are offering), and the stadium cost will be much much higher.

Ziggy is opposed to building on the Metrodump site because he promised to build a sheep barn at the Arden Hills site as part of the fan experience area. MN, the state where the women are scarce and the sheep are scared.
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Hey are you still planning the SB party to watch your Packers with that explosive offense play in the big game? Oh wait, wow, yea im sure nobody saw the ‘1 and done’ coming huh? yea..shhhhh…quiet little one.

Mark Dayton is a fraud and a liar. I voted for that prick soley because he was going to get a Vikings stadium built period. He is getting influenced by all these artsy fartsy people up here. The legislatures are all up for re election and they know that if they vote no they will lose their jobs because it will finally wake up a fan base that they don’t hear from. In my opinion the football fan is generally the working type that don’t have time to screw around with poltics but they will if something happens to our Vikings.

tougie1 says:
Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM
You guys think it’s a joke when the Packers offer fans the opportunity to purchase “stock” in their team, but when a fan base truly loves their team they are more than happy to help out, even if that includes buying a worthless piece of paper. I can imagine most Vikings fans would love the opportunity to donate at will to ensure the teams roots remain intact, versus their state government imposing taxes, or worse…losing your team to a competing city.
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No, we think its a joke that fans buy this paper and (a) claim they are team owners and (b) claim that its their contribution that kept the team in GB. Facts are facts so lets review them. (A) You are not and never will be an owner of the GB Packers so stop claiming that. (B) The GB Packer charter already stated that the team would stay in GB and not move to another city WAAAAAAY before that initial ‘stock offering’. So no, you are not the grand savior that prevented the Packers from leaving with your, lets face it, donation.

Now that we got that cleared – get off your high horse and go prepare for your SB party where the Packers will face the…wait, 1 and done.

Hoorayyy!!! Wait, what was this about again? Oh yeah, Minnesota government screwing something up. Hooray was a poor choice of word, should have been something like, “as usual” or “no surprise” or etc, etc, etc.

L.A. needs two teams to fill in their two new stadiums. The Raiders will be in the City of Industry Stadium while the Purple and Gold Vikings would fit nicely next to the Purple and Gold Lakers in Farmers Field, adjacent to Staples Center. What’s the hold up Vikings ownership? Grow a pair.

contra74 says: Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM
tougie1 says:
Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM
You guys think it’s a joke when the Packers offer fans the opportunity to purchase “stock” in their team, but when a fan base truly loves their team they are more than happy to help out, even if that includes buying a worthless piece of paper. I can imagine most Vikings fans would love the opportunity to donate at will to ensure the teams roots remain intact, versus their state government imposing taxes, or worse…losing your team to a competing city.
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No, we think its a joke that fans buy this paper and (a) claim they are team owners and (b) claim that its their contribution that kept the team in GB. Facts are facts so lets review them. (A) You are not and never will be an owner of the GB Packers so stop claiming that. (B) The GB Packer charter already stated that the team would stay in GB and not move to another city WAAAAAAY before that initial ‘stock offering’. So no, you are not the grand savior that prevented the Packers from leaving with your, lets face it, donation.

Now that we got that cleared – get off your high horse and go prepare for your SB party where the Packers will face the…wait, 1 and done.

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Maybe you didn’t read my original post, maybe you can’t read? Worthless piece of paper would equate to a donation.

Where did I claim A or B? Where did I try to come off as the grand savior? What is it you don’t understand about fans that are willing to provide a donation so the team can enhance their fans experience, without raising taxes? Maybe you’re upset I have the means to buy a share of “stock”, whatever it is get over it.

“Now that we got that cleared” I’ll jump back on my high horse and revel in the fact that while the Packers are home for the remainder of the season, they did accomplish one thing this year…2-0 vs. the Vikings! And when was the last time you celebrated the Vikings winning it all…oh yeah, never. I’m still recovering from last year’s victory party, and oh yeah, the best thing about last season…you guessed it, 2-0 vs. the Vikings.

contra74 says:
Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM
tougie1 says:
Jan 24, 2012 4:10 PM
You guys think it’s a joke when the Packers offer fans the opportunity to purchase “stock” in their team, but when a fan base truly loves their team they are more than happy to help out, even if that includes buying a worthless piece of paper. I can imagine most Vikings fans would love the opportunity to donate at will to ensure the teams roots remain intact, versus their state government imposing taxes, or worse…losing your team to a competing city.
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No, we think its a joke that fans buy this paper and (a) claim they are team owners and (b) claim that its their contribution that kept the team in GB. Facts are facts so lets review them. (A) You are not and never will be an owner of the GB Packers so stop claiming that. (B) The GB Packer charter already stated that the team would stay in GB and not move to another city WAAAAAAY before that initial ‘stock offering’. So no, you are not the grand savior that prevented the Packers from leaving with your, lets face it, donation.

Now that we got that cleared – get off your high horse and go prepare for your SB party where the Packers will face the…wait, 1 and done.

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so, where did he say that by purchasing stock, he played a key role in keeping the Packers at home? all he’s saying is that in this case, it would reaaaally help if (like Packer fans) Viking fans could help support their team in any way possible –as they clearly need all the help they can get right now.

and the last time i checked, the money is going straight toward stadium renovation. In turn, yes: anyone who purchased Packer stock technically owns 1 out of hundreds of thousandths of the stadium. If the franchise wanted donations, they’d ask their loyal fans with a 40+ year season ticket waiting list for some help. Instead, they can legally offer shares of stock, even if that IS just a piece of paper and a locker room tour.

As far as the Vikings future goes, good luck. A new stadium is the last thing on MN’s list of to do’s. Pretty sure more than one bridge is on the brink of rusting out. I watched a whole show on the horrible infrastructures in Minneapolis alone. And then your team’s dome roof caves in? What a mess.

honestly so sick of hearing about this..been on and off the table forever it seems..just get it done..Vikings are Minnesota and will stay..don’t worry LA. NFL will not let them move to your undeserving piece of crap city.

And some kid in L.A. will be asking his dad in a few years, why they’re called the Vikings, just as young L.A. kids today ask what the heck a “Laker” is. I still think Dallas should have kept the North Stars. I enjoy the confusion. Now leave me alone. I’m going out to hear some of the best Jazz in the world, right here in Utah!!! Nobody swings like the Mormons!! Did you know Charlie Parker was a Mormon?

tougie1 says:
Jan 24, 2012 5:51 PM
“Now that we got that cleared” I’ll jump back on my high horse and revel in the fact that while the Packers are home for the remainder of the season, they did accomplish one thing this year…2-0 vs. the Vikings! And when was the last time you celebrated the Vikings winning it all…oh yeah, never. I’m still recovering from last year’s victory party, and oh yeah, the best thing about last season…you guessed it, 2-0 vs. the Vikings.
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Remember when the Packer fanbase would give the Viking fanbase crap about hanging their hat on the season when Favre beat the Packers twice? Remember how the packer fans made fun of the viking fans because of how we would hang our hat on a sweep? My my, how many hypocrites are on the packer fanbase!??!?!

contra74 says:
Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM
tougie1 says:
Jan 24, 2012 5:51 PM
“Now that we got that cleared” I’ll jump back on my high horse and revel in the fact that while the Packers are home for the remainder of the season, they did accomplish one thing this year…2-0 vs. the Vikings! And when was the last time you celebrated the Vikings winning it all…oh yeah, never. I’m still recovering from last year’s victory party, and oh yeah, the best thing about last season…you guessed it, 2-0 vs. the Vikings.
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Remember when the Packer fanbase would give the Viking fanbase crap about hanging their hat on the season when Favre beat the Packers twice? Remember how the packer fans made fun of the viking fans because of how we would hang our hat on a sweep? My my, how many hypocrites are on the packer fanbase!??!?!
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Remember how you conveniently ignored the part about the Packers winning the Super Bowl last year?

gb4mn0 says:
Jan 24, 2012 3:02 PM
Ziggy is opposed to building on the Metrodump site because he promised to build a sheep barn at the Arden Hills site as part of the fan experience area. MN, the state where the women are scarce and the sheep are scared.
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Well…..I for one can say it was a nice 2 weeks without you on here after your team CHOKED in the playoffs like no other team has CHOKED before. I knew it would be a matter of time until Sconi’s biggest Viking creeper and basher was back. Must have finally woke up from the drunken stooper following the big loss.