(Original post by honeyisgoodforyou)
in order not for her chest, arms, legs, or any other visible skin to show. ONLY face and hands are ok to show. A woman might choose to NOT wear the Abaya and that is FINE as long as she wears a dress to cover the mentioned parts.

the best thing is to be in the MIDDLE, not TOO free and not too EXTREME....
After all, Islam is simple and easy and doesn't force people to do things they don't like. God made everything easy for us....

(Original post by necessarily benevolent)
If Islam didn't exist at all then this wouldn't be a problem. Women who conform to this patriarchal nonsense are thoroughly deserving of their status below their beastly husbands. It's a shame this ban will be too little too late.

True. Now that women are legal and social equals when I see women wearing things like this it's just... dated and silly

(Original post by necessarily benevolent)
If Islam didn't exist at all then this wouldn't be a problem. Women who conform to this patriarchal nonsense are thoroughly deserving of their status below their beastly husbands. It's a shame this ban will be too little too late.

So women in the UK don't conform to patriarchal dress codes? Just look at the way female dress codes in the UK have changed since the 1950s with the growing influence of media and the multi billion pound fashion industry. If religion didn't dictate dress codes, something else plugs the gap.

I'm surprised we're seeing this much common sense from France in cutting through the PC-******** because at the end of the day, the full veil is intimidating, oppressive and shows a lack of respect for the culture they chose to live in.

(Original post by CombineHarvester)
So women in the UK don't conform to patriarchal dress codes? Just look at the way female dress codes in the UK have changed since the 1950s with the growing influence of media and the multi billion pound fashion industry. If religion didn't dictate dress codes, something else plugs the gap.

Women don't dress nice because they're dominated by men, they dress nice to feel good about themselves

well divorce aint mentioned in christianity but it is mentioned in Islam.Islam looks at all the prospects.and for the topic i would say in sight of Islam if you deprive a person from his rights then there is resentment. If we ban churchs-what will be its effect-an outcry.it will be morally wrong if we do so.

(Original post by greenforce)
well divorce aint mentioned in christianity but it is mentioned in Islam.Islam looks at all the prospects.and for the topic i would say in sight of Islam if you deprive a person from his rights then there is resentment. If we ban churchs-what will be its effect-an outcry.it will be morally wrong if we do so.

But it's not like mosques are being banned, or even just the headscarf...

It's not like they're stopping Muslims from practising Islam, it's just the full face covering veil...

my point being is that u really practice what HOLY BIBLE says.if u do then its good.but there are 99% of people in west who donot practice.every religion stops from fornication,in france its common..why dont they ban it??
what is good it is good no matter what religion it is .christians donot respect HOLY PROPHET MOHAMMAD PBUH,we muslims repect all the prophets that came which are 124000

(Original post by abbi.blythe)
True. Now that women are legal and social equals when I see women wearing things like this it's just... dated and silly

Women are already social equals to men in Islam, its just that you are standing up for muslim women when you dont even know what they think themselves, they think it liberates them , but then again you think it doesnt, so why does your view take precedence over their view

(Original post by CombineHarvester)
So women in the UK don't conform to patriarchal dress codes? Just look at the way female dress codes in the UK have changed since the 1950s with the growing influence of media and the multi billion pound fashion industry. If religion didn't dictate dress codes, something else plugs the gap.

I can't see anything worse than conformity to an irrational, tyrannical, coercive load of codswallop "plugging the gap". Patriarchy is not necessarily a bad thing if it's a consequence of free choice.

there are some organs of women which are better covered in a burqa .incase of men,they should wear that is morally ok-and yeah u look at the arabs dressing,they cover there head and everything but not the face,covering face for women is alos optional.

(Original post by abbi.blythe)
Women don't dress nice because they're dominated by men, they dress nice to feel good about themselves

Right so what exactly makes women feel good about being paraded semi nude in a human cattle market, i.e. a beauty contest. What's the point of showing your cleavage? what exactly does that achieve other than give the other gender a boner! what's the point of wearing skimpy short skirts etc.

The whole female fashion industry is tailored to appeal to the carnal lust of men not to make you feel good.There is no doubt woman’s flesh sells, it makes money like any another commodity in the free market economy. The business of porn and prostitution by its nature is exploitative and degrading regardless of how it is produced, by choice or compulsion. It is predominantly produced to satisfy the lust of the male gender.

(Original post by lj106)
I'm surprised we're seeing this much common sense from France in cutting through the PC-******** because at the end of the day, the full veil is intimidating, oppressive and shows a lack of respect for the culture they chose to live in.

(Original post by Rizwani)
Women are already social equals to men in Islam, its just that you are standing up for muslim women when you dont even know what they think themselves, they think it liberates them , but then again you think it doesnt, so why does your view take precedence over their view

Well simply because they're wearing these things in a culture that does find that kind of thing oppressive...
I'm not standing up for them i'd just rather not see it.

In a shopping centre near me, security officers have been seen physically pulling hoods off of peoples heads so how's it fair that others can cover their face at all?
Hm.. it's just not very fitting is it?

what is defination of nice?-if a women feels good in some revealing clothes ,that means she should be allowed? so as for men .
dress code need to be observed that is *morally* accpetable not in some culture or society only.

(Original post by Diaz89)
Right so what exactly makes women feel good about being paraded semi nude in a human cattle market, i.e. a beauty contest. What's the point of showing your cleavage? what exactly does that achieve other than give the other gender a boner! what's the point of wearing skimpy short skirts etc.

The whole female fashion industry is tailored to appeal to the carnal lust of men not to make you feel good.There is no doubt woman’s flesh sells, it makes money like any another commodity in the free market economy. The business of porn and prostitution by its nature is exploitative and degrading regardless of how it is produced, by choice or compulsion. It is predominantly produced to satisfy the lust of the male gender.

I wouldn't really say that the majority of women dress like porn stars or actually feature in porn lol.

I don't dress to satisfy men, but it's not like I don't get any male attention
From my point of view I don't conform to any kind of patriarchal dress code in order to make men horny lol..

The reason that girls feel that they have to flash their bits is because they're uncomfortable with themselves and feel that they have to do that to get boys to notice them, so in a sense you're right.. but it's really a minority.

it is the women's option.if there is a misconception that islam says to cover the face-no there is no such compulsion.it is the choice of the women.also if there is misconception that men force them to do so then there is an everyday example-if a woman husband ask her to wear something,wouldn't she do that to make him happy(even if she hates what her husband has asks for) .so is the case here.

(Original post by greenforce)
it is the women's option.if there is a misconception that islam says to cover the face-no there is no such compulsion.it is the choice of the women.also if there is misconception that men force them to do so then there is an everyday example-if a woman husband ask her to wear something,wouldn't she do that to make him happy(even if she hates what her husband has asks for) .so is the case here.

But say that a woman didn't want to wear the veil, or the headscarf..?
What would her husband say about that?

(Original post by abbi.blythe)
Well simply because they're wearing these things in a culture that does find that kind of thing oppressive...
I'm not standing up for them i'd just rather not see it.

In a shopping centre near me, security officers have been seen physically pulling hoods off of peoples heads so how's it fair that others can cover their face at all?
Hm.. it's just not very fitting is it?

Duh..

Hoods, and the face covering are completely different, if a women wants to cover her face, she can, but the hoody thing is associated with crime while the niqaab is associated with religion
If a women in the UK wears the niqaab, she is obviously making a choice so why is that oppresive, and even so when it is from the commands of God.