Chicago fans and media all over Ben. Could he be moved?

That simply ain't true. There was absolutely no market for CB last off season and JoeD may have given him even more than would have been needed to make him stay. As for Ben, I can imagine he was or still juicin'- but he's definetely not the only one in the league.

Click to expand...

Doubt, whether dumars was ready to give him ever more: seems that he has to follow Davidson's order to stay under lux tax.

According to Smith, trading Kirilenko for Wallace would save the Jazz $21 million as Kirilenko is paid more annually than Wallace. With an extension, most likely for the max, coming up for Deron Williams it may make sense.

In the off season Kirilenko was upset at the Jazz and asked to be traded, and while his play and attitude do not appear to have been a distraction for Utah this season, he has never actually rescinded that trade request.

I HATE THIS THREAD. IT'S SO UGLY TOWARD BEN IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. IT MAKES ME WONDER WHETHER SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE EVEN PISTONS FANS THAT YOU COULD BE SO MEAN SPIRITED AND VINDICTIVE AS TO SUGGEST HE TOOK STEROIDS WHEN HE WAS A PISTON. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE? I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANY OF YOU WHO FIND YOUR BITTER ENTERTAINMENT AT BEN'S EXPENSE. HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST STARTING FIVE! HE HELPED US WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! WTF is the matter with you people?

Ben Wallace will always be remembered as a special player in the NBA, whenever he retires. He is and will be respected by his peers over the long haul. Let's compare that to the people on this forum who are having fun ridiculing him. Posting on this forum, entertaining as it might be, is no claim to fame and very far from the accomplishments of Ben Wallace, which you, who claim to be Pistons fans, ought not to be dragging through the mud and practicing revisionist history. You are mediocre people who will never be remembered for being ANYTHING except being backstabbing fans. STFU.

Roscoe, I am sorry. As you probably know I have written so many responses to the posts in this thread and deleted them all because I didn't want to make trouble. But I am tired of being part of what I suspect is the silent majority of forum members who still appreciate Ben, despite his declining performance.

Speculating about and alleging steroid use is a serious thing. These people need to get a life before someone sues them for defamation of character.

Oh and by the way great game tonight. Love the Stuckey and Amir action. Why does Primoz do that crazy thing where everytime before he gives the ball to the ref he bounces it three short bounces? It's really a strang behavior. Anyone else notice that?

I HATE THIS THREAD. IT'S SO UGLY TOWARD BEN IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. IT MAKES ME WONDER WHETHER SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE EVEN PISTONS FANS THAT YOU COULD BE SO MEAN SPIRITED AND VINDICTIVE AS TO SUGGEST HE TOOK STEROIDS WHEN HE WAS A PISTON. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE? I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANY OF YOU WHO FIND YOUR BITTER ENTERTAINMENT AT BEN'S EXPENSE. HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST STARTING FIVE! HE HELPED US WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! WTF is the matter with you people?

Ben Wallace will always be remembered as a special player in the NBA, whenever he retires. He is and will be respected by his peers over the long haul. Let's compare that to the people on this forum who are having fun ridiculing him. Posting on this forum, entertaining as it might be, is no claim to fame and very far from the accomplishments of Ben Wallace, which you, who claim to be Pistons fans, ought not to be dragging through the mud and practicing revisionist history. You are mediocre people who will never be remembered for being ANYTHING except being backstabbing fans. STFU.

Roscoe, I am sorry. As you probably know I have written so many responses to the posts in this thread and deleted them all because I didn't want to make trouble. But I am tired of being part of what I suspect is the silent majority of forum members who still appreciate Ben, despite his declining performance.

Speculating about and alleging steroid use is a serious thing. These people need to get a life before someone sues them for defamation of character.

Oh and by the way great game tonight. Love the Stuckey and Amir action. Why does Primoz do that crazy thing where everytime before he gives the ball to the ref he bounces it three short bounces? It's really a strang behavior. Anyone else notice that?

Click to expand...

I am sorry. I was just trying to make a joke. I love Ben and the Pistons!!

I HATE THIS THREAD. IT'S SO UGLY TOWARD BEN IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. IT MAKES ME WONDER WHETHER SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE EVEN PISTONS FANS THAT YOU COULD BE SO MEAN SPIRITED AND VINDICTIVE AS TO SUGGEST HE TOOK STEROIDS WHEN HE WAS A PISTON. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE? I DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANY OF YOU WHO FIND YOUR BITTER ENTERTAINMENT AT BEN'S EXPENSE. HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST STARTING FIVE! HE HELPED US WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! WTF is the matter with you people?

Ben Wallace will always be remembered as a special player in the NBA, whenever he retires. He is and will be respected by his peers over the long haul. Let's compare that to the people on this forum who are having fun ridiculing him. Posting on this forum, entertaining as it might be, is no claim to fame and very far from the accomplishments of Ben Wallace, which you, who claim to be Pistons fans, ought not to be dragging through the mud and practicing revisionist history. You are mediocre people who will never be remembered for being ANYTHING except being backstabbing fans. STFU.

Roscoe, I am sorry. As you probably know I have written so many responses to the posts in this thread and deleted them all because I didn't want to make trouble. But I am tired of being part of what I suspect is the silent majority of forum members who still appreciate Ben, despite his declining performance.

Speculating about and alleging steroid use is a serious thing. These people need to get a life before someone sues them for defamation of character.

Oh and by the way great game tonight. Love the Stuckey and Amir action. Why does Primoz do that crazy thing where everytime before he gives the ball to the ref he bounces it three short bounces? It's really a strang behavior. Anyone else notice that?

Click to expand...

I've posted in this thread one or two times generally commenting on things going on with Ben, and speculation on his CHI days. I don't think it's so much people bashing Ben as much as there's still an interest in Ben and what's going on with him b/c he was a huge part of the Pistons. There are some things in the post that do thread/cross the line (the steroids thing being one of them), but people are entitled to post their opinion. Yes, it's negative at times, but that's b/c Ben has been a negative in CHI, and the way he left the Pistons wasn't exactly amicable.

Maybe some people miss Ben and get a satisfaction that he's not doing well in CHI as a sign he should've stayed. Or some ppl are glad we're not the ones paying him. Whichever.

Point being the steroids thing was over the line, but i don't really have a problem with the general thread.

On blogabull there is some talk about Ben's trade potential mixed in with the inceasingly brutal bashing he is getting.

Unfortunately the lack of lift that was Wallace's problem last year has been even worse this year. He can't or simply doesn't jump very often anymore. His ability to finish inside and his defensive rebounding have only further declined.