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The Stromers played all the rugby and kept all of the log points on offer in beating the Sharks by 32 points to 12 in Cape Town this evening. The home side scored four tries to zero and have extended their lead at the top of the South African conference to 8 points as a result.

For the Sharks, precious little went right all day and some serious questions will need to be asked after some very lacklustre performances from players with big reputations. The Stormers hammered away at the Sharks pack all night and kept them on the back foot, with big counter-rucking and superb groundwork from the likes of Francois Louw resulting in numerous turnovers at the breakdown. Benefting from this surfeit of possession, the Stormers centres made mince meat of the porous Sharks defence, with Jean de Villiers, Jacque Fourie and later Juan de Jongh making huge inroads through the gaping holes between Meyer Bosman and Stefan Terblanche.

Despite a somewhat improved second-half showing – at least in terms of possession, the Sharks were never able to erode the massive 22-9 half-time deficit due to poor decision-making with ball in hand, as well as horribly sloppy execution that saw a knock-on count in the high teens. Add to that some frankly ridiculous aimless kicking from the likes of Charl McLeod, Pat Lambie and Stefan Terblanche and it’s actually miraculous that the Stormers didn’t win by more.

The tries in the first half were scored by Gio Aplon, Jacque Fourie and de Villiers, while hooker Deon Fourie rubbed salt into the wounds late in the game in scoring the fourth from the back of a driving maul.

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Ah Rob, not one mention about the ref. I know we played badly, but heck…

Comment 5, posted at 30.04.11 21:36:07 by CapeShark

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@CapeShark (Comment 5) : Funny how the losers always bitch about the ref.

Comment 6, posted at 30.04.11 21:37:38 by McLovin

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@CapeShark (Comment 5) : the ref was fine, dude. Seriously. We were naive as hell

Comment 7, posted at 30.04.11 21:39:00 by robdylan

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Another thing I learnt today was that my ceiling in my living room is not as high as I thought.

Almost punched a hole in it and have a very bloody knuckle to show for Fourie’s try.

Comment 8, posted at 30.04.11 21:40:03 by McLovin

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Stormers were excellent. I have personally written off this season. Meyer and Oupa has cost us our season. Dont know why Plum persists with them week in and out. Now we wait anxiously on Joubert – a player we couldn’t wait to get rid of for the boks due to his poor defense… And we get excited when Adi comes on… What a low after an era with Butch, Barrit, Murray, Steyn.

Perhaps this is justice if you look at the names of the players we messed around to the point where they left.

Comment 9, posted at 30.04.11 21:44:08 by King Shark

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Also very much looking forward to the two Sharks v Bulls games.

Going to be nice watching a match as a neutral where blood, snot & hare are going to ‘spat’.

Comment 10, posted at 30.04.11 21:44:48 by McLovin

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Congrats to the Stormers, they deserved the win! You guys completely outplayed us!!

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Well done Stormers, and congratulations to the fans – this was a dominating performance.

Really positive to see the performance of Boks like Bekker, JdV, Fourie and Habana.

Sharks have some major issues to resolve of they wish to reach the knock-outs – lineouts, kicking, midfield and tackling aree glaring weaknesses.

Oh, both centres and Mcleod had a shocker.

Comment 12, posted at 30.04.11 21:55:51 by Big Fish

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@King Shark (Comment 9) : Lol your post sums it up beautifully… getting excited when Jacobs comes on shows the depths we are plumbing. We need centres. We need a fetcher.

Juan de Jongh and Heinrich Brussow would be a good start

Anyone else think Skeate was disappointing again?

Comment 13, posted at 30.04.11 21:56:34 by siorc

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Whenever I read Strauss, Barrit, Butch, Steyn, Murray etc. I get peeved… Shocking to lose them. Our midfield ito compatibility and results is pretty damn average. We need centres and we talk about it often… Swannie must be pissed off… Give him and Adi a run.

Comment 14, posted at 30.04.11 21:57:47 by DarkDestroyer

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Not a lot of positives to take from the game, but Deysel made it through his first 20 minutes, which is good.

Hoffmann made a half decent impact when he came on, it might be time for him to get a start, McLeod is just off his usual pace.

Our front row was good, the second row let us down. We need to work on our lineouts and I reckon Mostert and Hargreaves to start at lock next week.

Centre I’m not going to comment on, but if I have to say something, all the talk about Adi coming on, and he had almost no impact. We need to start looking at our juniors and give them the opportunity to shine..

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I can’t wait for next week’s game cos I are going to likes to be there at Newlands!

Comment 16, posted at 30.04.11 22:02:33 by wpw

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sharks got owned!

Comment 17, posted at 30.04.11 22:04:17 by Megatron

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And one more thing.

To all the other supporters out there. You would have witnessed a very rare thing for Super Rugby tonight. Though a common occurrence for Stormers folk.

It’s called a full house. A stadium filled to capacity.

STOOOOOOOOOOOOORMEEEEEEEEEEEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment 18, posted at 30.04.11 22:04:58 by McLovin

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : One can’t expect Adi to come on with 20 mins left and create miracles. The midfield had already done the damage.

Comment 19, posted at 30.04.11 22:05:23 by Ben

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@ Richard, when Adi came on the damage was already done, from a player’s perspective myself there is not much to do when others around you are already down and out…Jacobs was isolated most of the time and this was pre-planned by Stormers coaches seeing the Sharks coaches build-up this hype of Jacobs being the best impact player around in persisting using him in that capacity…

Comment 20, posted at 30.04.11 22:09:38 by Charlie

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@ McLovin

Comment 21, posted at 30.04.11 22:09:39 by wpw

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The Brumbies are a bit of a bogey team for the Sharks. I wouldn’t propose wholesale changes but Bismark to start, Hargreaves and Mostert to start, Botes for Daniel (if fit) and Jacobs in for Terblanche. Make Hargreaves captain, we need to plan for the captaincy for next season when Smit and Terblanche will no longer be around.

McLeod and Alberts possibly need a rest too, but that’s starting to get wholesale.

Comment 22, posted at 30.04.11 22:09:50 by siorc

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@Ben

I’m not expecting miracles, but at least inject some pace. Subs are there to up the ante.. That was missing tonight..

My point was that we need to back our youth and not go and buy has-beens..

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : Which has been are you referring to? Marius Joubert?

Comment 31, posted at 30.04.11 22:17:47 by Ben

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@Ben..

The main has been is Marius Joubert, I cannot understand the thought process involved in buying a player that has always had defensive issues, when you have such awesomely talented youngsters in your Vodacom Cup team..

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 32) : I couldn’t agree with you more about Marius. Don’t like that sighning. If Plum starts with Stef next week I’m going to throw my toys out of the cot! Enough is enough. I hope the likes of Paul Jordaan will get a run in the Currie cup.

Comment 34, posted at 30.04.11 22:27:30 by Ben

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The one thing when you get a hiding like this that you cant do is sudenlly have wholesale changes ,the individuals need to recognise their mistakes ,pick themselves up and get on with it . Our midfield is the only change i would make . Maybe play deysel at 7 and Alberts at 8 (in a looser role as a break )

Comment 35, posted at 30.04.11 22:28:09 by Talent

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@Ben (Comment 31) : the donkey bosman! he got exposed by sbw and now MONSTERED by JdV.

i’ve said it here before that meyer is a donkey but noooo sharks fans were singing his praises after the saders game because of a cameo against berquist when read, carter, whitelock were injured.

how you okes must miss dries strauss

Comment 36, posted at 30.04.11 22:28:29 by Megatron

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@Talent

You make such a valid point! If we had to change the entire team, things will fall apart.

We need pretty much the same team to hand the Brumbies their arse on a plate next week and get their confidence back!

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So it’s Judd Trump v John Higgins in the snooker World Championship final.

Comment 39, posted at 30.04.11 22:33:16 by McLovin

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 37) : World cup winning teams get beaten 40 something zip from time to time …
we where on the back foot from the first 3 tries and didnt look like recovering .
The stormers had their tales up and parts of their team are pure class ,cronje was also not to shaby

Sharks let themselves down tonight emphatically and by doing so let any title aspirations float away like a fart in a volcano haha

Get frans steyn/barrit back now!

Comment 40, posted at 30.04.11 22:34:26 by Talent

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spelling sorry

Comment 41, posted at 30.04.11 22:35:27 by Talent

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stormers punks better get sited

Comment 42, posted at 30.04.11 22:37:39 by Talent

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I’ve shot up to 114th in the SW pool.

Comment 43, posted at 30.04.11 22:38:05 by McLovin

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There was enough oppertunities to make changes, but because the team won the problem areas were ignored

Comment 44, posted at 30.04.11 22:38:18 by Charlie

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@Talent (Comment 51) : SANZAR citing process is a joke. I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you.

Comment 52, posted at 30.04.11 22:46:33 by McLovin

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@Talent (Comment 51) :
Dignity in defeat dude – let’s not go on about citings just after we got hammered. That’s a topic for later in the week.

@Megatron (Comment 36) :
I’m guessing this is a bit like throwing pearls before swine, but you really have no idea how stupid you look chirping today after your conspicuous silence after your team’s loss last week.

Comment 53, posted at 30.04.11 22:52:22 by Big Fish

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Another thing we learnt is that the Stormers do have depth at flyhalf. Ended the match with the 5th choice flyhalf on the field?

Comment 54, posted at 30.04.11 22:52:58 by McLovin

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Talent
Just so u know I enjoy reading your comments.
You’re not as biased as most Sharks on here.

Comment 55, posted at 30.04.11 22:58:35 by wpw

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@Big Fish (Comment 53) : stupid you say?, i was on holiday buddy now suck it up your cloaca!

Comment 56, posted at 30.04.11 23:03:36 by Megatron

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I’m so happy I might even join the Pagans to celebrate Beltane tomorrow.

Comment 57, posted at 30.04.11 23:04:38 by McLovin

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The Stormers have won their 3 big derbies so far by simply physically dominating the opposition. Same happened tonight. Did they cross the line between physical dominance and dirty play? The answer to that probably depends which team you support.

Comment 58, posted at 30.04.11 23:13:57 by war1

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@Big Fish (Comment 53) : Well read my other posts BigFeesh , but lets call a spade a spade ,you cant punch a guy and expect to get away with it if you are a rugby player …oh except SBW ,he is a rugby player that does hit people just for the sport of it typical

Comment 59, posted at 30.04.11 23:14:36 by Talent

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Talking about midfield defense, is it the system or the players that is at fault?

Comment 60, posted at 30.04.11 23:15:43 by war1

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@war1 (Comment 58) : Haha i my word im not moaning ,go on read some of my other comments about how the game ! And what i had to say about people who would blame the ref and changes in fortune had this try been scored ,that kick gone out…
Im not trying to take anything away from the emphatic way which the stormers rolled the sharks

Comment 63, posted at 30.04.11 23:17:43 by Talent

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Flippen hell but the Stormers played well! Especially that first half. I would have really enjoyed if it wasn’t the Sharks they were annihilating. I reckon the Stormers have probably the only midfield and defense structure to keep the Crusaders at bay. Gonna be an epic game next weekend but if the Stormers play like this again they will win with some to spare.

Comment 64, posted at 30.04.11 23:18:19 by war1

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@McLovin (Comment 61) : They played fantastically well, not even a ref could have won this game for the Sharks if he wanted to. I just hope for your sake there is no citings this week.

Comment 65, posted at 30.04.11 23:20:33 by war1

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@war1 (Comment 60) : Imo the sharks defence structure is non existing ,whereas stormers are sublime in comparison -their pillar post ,bridging ,cleaning and rucking is probably the most organised in the comp. On the other hand the sharks midfield also just tackled poorly and where dominated in every aspect of play ,Meyer looked sub standard and ST was a ghost against a bed sheet that had been dipped in white paint

Comment 66, posted at 30.04.11 23:21:30 by Talent

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@war1 (Comment 65) : Pretty confident there wont be. But with SANZAR you never know.

Comment 68, posted at 30.04.11 23:22:21 by McLovin

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@war1 (Comment 64) : Theyre midfield is better than the crusaders imo
Jean is a better running and passing player than SBW ,Sbw offloads well (he is a much much better league version of the wynands/andreis strauss of the worlds ) yet his distribution , i feel ,hasnt been that of a great 12, he attacks the advantage line well and get offloads to tackles.

Jean dv will get his backline firing better than sbw would on any given day, if they both had to tap into the depths of their talents

Comment 69, posted at 30.04.11 23:25:46 by Talent

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@Talent (Comment 66) : Non-existent is probably a bit harsh, however the Stormers defense is in another class. JDV just drifted into the space that Meyer created by drifting out which is probably more the system that Meyer. What worries me is that this hasn’t been fixed after so many weeks of rugby.

Comment 70, posted at 30.04.11 23:26:19 by war1

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@war1 (Comment 67) : true that …
Jean dv has long been the best 12 the world has .SBW can jol but his strengths wont put his outside backs away like jean dv will.

Comment 71, posted at 30.04.11 23:28:13 by Talent

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@McLovin (Comment 68) : I personally think there will be the token one citing from an SA derby.

Comment 72, posted at 30.04.11 23:28:49 by war1

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@war1 (Comment 70) : Non existent ,its a problem the sharks have had awhile,but then again our forwards also seem to go on these one man marches at 3 man defence ,shocking play.
Any way cheers all

Comment 73, posted at 30.04.11 23:30:01 by Talent

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@war1 (Comment 60) :
Bit of both. We don’t have a good defence marshall amongst the centres, and neither is particularly strong on defence.

In any event, I was at the game and I can tell that from on high you could see the Stormer’s speed of the mark on defence – they were shutting down Lambie very quick, and Mcleod’s head-high passes were not helping.

Big picture; it was an awesome display from the Bok centres, and we shouldn’t undermine how well the Stormers played by just blaming our centres.

Comment 83, posted at 01.05.11 00:05:51 by Big Fish

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I’m up and I’m feeling much better than I was last night. I haven’t been as pissed off as I was after last night’s game. simple..the stormers at the start of the season made it public that they lost in both finals last year because they were not physical enough, they also said they will not be bullied again. Their play this season has been bordering on thugery (if there’s such a word) the entire season. Sharks didn’t do their homework and thought that Alberts alone could the job. Never again must we go to war without Bismarck, alberts, deysel and mostert in our pack. Alberts was marked big time and therefore in effective.JS, Skeate, MB don’t have it in them when the game is this physical.

Comment 84, posted at 01.05.11 06:52:58 by GreatSharksays

Not sure how much value there is in adding my voice to the cacophony, but venting might make me feel a little better…

Firstly, congratulations to the Stormers and their fans. Not in my wildest dreams would I have expected such a one-sided affair. And while I was less than enamoured with some of the reffing calls, the simple fact is that this was a 20-point margin game; there is *no* way a ref could account for all of that. Nope, we were handed our asses by a team who was simply in another league on the day.

The Stormers were hungrier and more committed on attack and in defence, and executed the basics far, far better than we did. It’s hard to think of any facet where we even had a look-in, except maybe for the scrums.

I am also in complete agreement with McLoving that the roles of the respective coaching teams have to be acknowledged. The Stormers had clearly done their homework, and knew exactly how to neutralise our strengths (when last was Willem Alberts this ineffectual?) and where to apply the pressure (the first two tries were both as a direct result of pressure, first on attack, and then of defense, on our centres). Also, the Stormers defensive systems must surely be as close to perfect as they come. Alistair and co. can look in the mirror this morning, knowing that they have earned their salaries, and my respect.

As for the Sharks, the more I think about the game, the more I feel that the only suitable description is “rudderless”. People have been bemoaning the fact that the Boks and the Bulls have only one game plan, and when that proves ineffective, lack the ability to change to a plan B. On the evidence of last night, even our plan A is half-baked at best.

The standard of our backline play is simply shocking. I’ve noted before that our strategy seems to involve sending the ball down the line, hoping for a line-break, and then playing off that. Disregarding how monumentally naive that is in the modern game (and particularly against the Stormers’ defense), a simple look at our personnel should make it abundantly clear how inefectual a plan like that is.

Lambie has the ability to break the line, but is being closely marked. As for our centres, Meyer Bosman is not going to create linebreaks in the JDV mould; instead, he will create opportunities for those outside him, but then you need someone to capitalise on that, and… I’m not going to repeat that conversation, even I am getting sick of hearing myself hold court on it. Which leaves only our outside backs to provide some thrust, but then we need some plan to bring them into play in the midfield, a la the Crusaders. Sadly I’ve seen very little evidence of that thus far the season.

As for the debate about the use of substitues, I feel that Hoffman should have been brought on much sooner, and Adi deployed at 13. McCloud’s passing was wayward enough to rob us of the opportunity to run onto the ball and build momentum, and Hoffman showed, to me, a real hunger to get involved. And while Bosman had a bad day at the office, I’m still convinced a Bosman/Jacobs combo would have had a better chance at creating something than a Jacobs/Terblanche combo.

Comment 85, posted at 01.05.11 07:16:42 by Culling Song

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The sharks have lacked a quality centre pairing for the past 3 years now, granted devilliers and fourie are world class players, that aside we dont have a quality 9 12 or 13 Pienaar should have never left but i guess money speaks huge volumes ask anyone in European rugby!!

Comment 87, posted at 01.05.11 07:35:10 by theswan4

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The Sharks sucked! Period! From now on I’ll support the teams that enhances my chances of getting ahead in our addictive competitions. I’m still a Shark and always will be, but for now my cup will stay half empty.

Comment 89, posted at 01.05.11 07:55:50 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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A few other thoughts:

Based on this weekend’s performance, I am looking forward to the Stormers/Crusaders match rather more than the next Sharks game. Should make for an enthralling contest, particularly the SBW vs. JDV face-off!

Given the treatment he’s received at the hands of Province management, I thought Lionel Cronje really stood up and gave a good account of himself. It would appear that contrary to Morne’s words earlier the season, the Stormers are in fact *not* just one injury away from having their campaign derailed (except maybe if an injury to Dewald Duvenhage means a run-on spot for Ricky).

That lock pairing of Bekker/Elstadt is putting the Springbok incumbents of Matfield/Botha to shame.

Comment 91, posted at 01.05.11 08:12:50 by Culling Song

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@Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 89) : Some people look and see that cup as half full. Others look and see it as half empty. Me, I’m so frikkin’ drunk I see ten cups!

Comment 92, posted at 01.05.11 08:13:48 by Culling Song

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 90) : One game? Count again and then go look what we have left. I’m not going to get my hopes up just to be dissapointed again. Shark’s losses like yesterday’s are putting strain on what is socially acceptable.

Comment 94, posted at 01.05.11 08:22:26 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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@Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 89) : dude, must be the morning after(a loss) that makes u talk like that. Have something awefull to drink, sake your feathers and let’s look ahead to a good comeback next week.

Comment 95, posted at 01.05.11 08:23:17 by franshark

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I miself and me are riveted about last nights performance, we simply can not keep on ignoring the usual week in and week out problems. Line outs and midfield

Comment 98, posted at 01.05.11 08:28:21 by franshark

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Naivity starting from the ‘fans’ are spreading like a wildfire through the Tank.

Comment 99, posted at 01.05.11 08:30:27 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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What was shocking to me as well, we were “defending” JLP and saying give him gametime, I said give him a vodacomcup game, well he almost cost the sharkxv their campain last night. Same with players like st and bosie. We have to look elswere.

Comment 100, posted at 01.05.11 08:33:25 by franshark

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 97) : I’m not asking for permission, acceptance or anything else. I’m stating how I feel and that’s my opinion and my right. So don’t tell me how much of a fan I am. Who made you the judge of ‘Fans’ anyways?

Comment 103, posted at 01.05.11 08:36:55 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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Enjoy the day and the holiday tomorrow guys. I’ll be working

Comment 105, posted at 01.05.11 08:40:18 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 102) : sorry but I do not agree, the jongsters around him made that game, and yes I watched the whole game, he is lacking serious confidence

Comment 106, posted at 01.05.11 08:43:55 by franshark

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Jeez. You okes are pathetic. So your team got hammered. So what ? Mine does every week. Iam not crying am I. They got pumped by one of the best teams in the comp. That’s all. They still have a chance of a home playoff. Get a grip guys. Grow a pair of balls.

Comment 107, posted at 01.05.11 08:44:17 by Speed7

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 104) : Dude, I have Sharks in my FL Squad. They have to win and I never said I wont support them. Look. I like you and respect you. But don’t judge me, you don’t know we that well. Have a nice day. I’m going to

Comment 108, posted at 01.05.11 08:45:30 by Jarson (AddicteD)

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 101) : one or two tackles do not make up for the fact that he is the fh and a senior within a vodacom team and should be exerting some good game plan onto the opposition. And he does not. Maybe he/they should look to rather play him at centre

Comment 111, posted at 01.05.11 08:49:42 by franshark

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I can respect and appreciate The Stormers victory, The Stormers team, synergy, set up, fans. They are well supported and they are such a technical team. Their coaching staff are top class and made us look average technically. We need to be sharper and more technical, we too need a more varied attack with better decision making, a better set piece with better tactics on how to use our big runners more effectively. There can be no excuses, but there are now clear areas we need to address and we cannot afford to not to. Cape Town take a bow, how beautiful and respectful to give your team and opposition a packed stadium.

Comment 128, posted at 01.05.11 09:30:49 by DarkDestroyer

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 126) : Yeah, it’s not all doom and gloom. What worries me with our draw is the last 3 games away from home and the last one away at Loftus. It will by no means be a cake walk.

Comment 129, posted at 01.05.11 09:32:02 by war1

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If we hadn´t been so bloody poor for the last 4-5 games and yesterday´s loss was simply having an off day while beaten by a far better team (which we were) I could have been more positive about the rest of the comp.

However, the weaknesses in our game and some of our players are just too glaringly bloody obvious to ignore and candy-coating that does nobody any favours.

I for one can´t see us winning a semi-final play-off, even if we make it that far, but anyone out there who don´t mind bullshitting themselves are welcome to feel otherwise, of course .

Comment 130, posted at 01.05.11 09:33:49 by rhineshark

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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 122) : hopefully we can develop some of our talent within this years cc. Enough now with the old legends, they were great, time for some new blood

Comment 131, posted at 01.05.11 09:33:59 by franshark

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What a game by the Stormers! They out muscled out thought and out played the Sharks. Yes the Sharks have some glaring problems but take nothing away from the Stormers they played some brilliant and brutal rugby. Let’s hope the Sharks learned some valuable lessons yesterday and that they can use it during the rest of the reason.

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@war1 (Comment 129) : let#s just take it one game at a time. Get 5 points against the Brumbies and suddenly we’re a lot closer, especially if the Stormers slip up against the Cru… although on current form, the Crusaders stand no chance at Newlands.

Comment 135, posted at 01.05.11 09:39:17 by robdylan

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The Stormers yesterday did what the Sharks did in the CC final. They never allowed the Sharks in the game. The biggest worry besides the midfield was the Sharks got dominated physically and that is one area where the Sharks should never be dominated.

Comment 139, posted at 01.05.11 09:51:47 by Pokkel

@Pokkel (Comment 139) : I personaly don’t like the idea of playing albert and deysel together, the are to much the same tipe, like the flair of danials and konko combined with the force of alberts and deysel. Alberts need a deserving rest.

Comment 140, posted at 01.05.11 10:00:23 by franshark

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 128) :
Spot on. And while we are at it, let’s put to bed this crap about the Stormers have yet to tour. What are we expecting? That they will be shown up as the fraud of a rugby team that they are?

They reached 2 finals last year and beat us comprehensively twice so far – this time with Lambie, Deysel and every single other fan favourite available.

I hope Plumtree won’t be floating any nonsense such as the players being naïve again.
He needs to realise that he was outplayed by the opposition coaching team on this one.

We were beaten a combination of things, including rush defence, lineout dominance, rucking and midfield superiority. None of this should have been unexpected – but we didn’t have a plan to counter this.

And on the midfield – focusing on Bosman (who was very poor) misses the poor quality ball that the forwards were securing and the head-high passes that Mcleod was shovelling to Lambie, who couldn’t do much with it.

The JDV try-making tackle was made as much by those factors as by the tackle itself.

Comment 141, posted at 01.05.11 10:07:58 by Big Fish

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what was bosman gesticulating about after being hit by jdv? bwahahaha, was he claiming jdv was offside? what a donkey

Comment 142, posted at 01.05.11 10:19:40 by Megatron

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Sharks are hurting, Plum went as far as to call the game embarrassing.

What was interesting however was Plum’s comments for next week against the Brumbies – he wants to bliksem them good and propper.

Plum usually never talks like this but I expect an almighty roggering of the Brumbies next week.

Comment 143, posted at 01.05.11 10:24:33 by Morné

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We were outwitted, we were outplayed, and we were completely outclassed. But that does not mean that we are washed up and kla!
All of the mistakes we made yesterday can be fixed. And I certainly believe that Mr Plumtree will be intent on fixing them. He will make it his life’s purpose to fix them. It’s his reputation and lifeblood on the line too.
In my exceedingly humble opinion, what is needed now by the Sharks is a complete “defrag”. The slate needs to be washed clean and we need to start at Square One and go back to basics… basic handling, basic tactics, basic discipline.
The ability to beat the Stormers was on the field yesterday – talent in the genes and DNA of every player in the black and white. Every player on that pitch at Newlands knew that we NEEDED to win. But not every player believed that we COULD win. Desperation prevailed over common sense and panic manifested as a result.
And in a game we all knew was going to rest on possession, we failed to retain it. Plain and simple.
The Sharks are not the sum of their failures. Demoralised they may be, and are indeed allowed to be today, but tomorrow begins a new day and a new mission – getting back the mindset that is able to produce some of the most exciting rugby this country has ever been witness to.
A good regroup now, combined with a break over the bye weekend, will set us up for the home straight and what should be a run of victories against inferior teams. And I include the Bulls in that sweeping statement. And the Tahs, even though they are sneaking up on us.
What we, as supporters, must not do now is give up. If we give up, how can we reasonably expect our team to go out there and do what is required of them? A loss against the Stormers like yesterday’s is always going to sting, especially when we know what we are capable of. But pain does not last forever, unless we allow ourselves to dwell on it.
People working together, united in the same cause, have overthrown governments and changed the face of human history. Sharks supporters pulling together, rooting for our team, encouraging them and willing them to do better, can lift them up to the place they need to be right now and show them that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and a glimmer of silver too.
We all need to be Good Samaritans in the coming weeks and pick our Boys’ battered collective ego up out of the gutter, dust it off and carry it for a while until they can run with it and regain their momentum.
I’m up for the task. And I know the majority of you out there are up for it too. So join me (the gal from the Boerstad) at King’s Park this weekend if you are able to, and FILL THAT STADIUM…
The Sharks need us. Let’s not let them down.

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@Megatron (Comment 142) : You know he was indicating that JdV had knocked the ball forward.

Comment 145, posted at 01.05.11 10:39:11 by Salmonoid

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Well you might not be able to win all your games, but you can surely learn a lot from the once you lose…Plumtree please man don’t be so stubborn…Sharks needs change in season…team selection first on the cards…

Comment 146, posted at 01.05.11 10:46:45 by Charlie

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@SharonvanWyk (Comment 144) : the ever optimistic shazz the Tank is never full even when the Sharks are winning

Comment 148, posted at 01.05.11 10:52:57 by Megatron

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Completely out played. Well done Stormers, we do wish you luck for next week.

As for the Sharks, the first problem is their centers. Adi plays better at outside centre than inside. Bosman got a huge achilles heel and the Sharks are killing of Stef in the most brutal way possoble, playing him in the wrong position.

Second our loose forwards got dominated. We needed Bismarck there to compete. The combination of Daniel, Alberts and Kanko fails miserably when playing physical teams. They are all stand out of the breakdown or wait in the backline instead of competing at the breakdown.

This is the best Sharks team IMO for the rest of the competition and until Mcloed gets a wake up.. I think JLP is a first centre who can tackle and does break the game line. Mcloed is out of form and Hoffman is actually playing quite well.

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@Morné (Comment 143) :
We have the ability to bounce back, but its concerning that we have fallen into the old bliksem hulle mentality.

It was not passion that was missing yesterday, it was technique and tactical nous. We need to take the right lessons from this loss.

You can channel a sense of shamed outrage into 1 or 2 victories, but you can’t win a campaign on it. I really expect more from our coaching staff then that response – I hope it will emerge over the next few days.

Comment 150, posted at 01.05.11 10:53:40 by Big Fish

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@ Big Fish, we have a stubborn coaching staff, that’s trying to run through a obstacle that can easily be side stepped through innovative thinking…

Comment 151, posted at 01.05.11 11:05:45 by Charlie

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@Mocho (Comment 149) : Actually thinking about it I much rather have Swannie than JLP

Comment 152, posted at 01.05.11 11:26:23 by Mocho

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Looking back on the game The Stormers had a very good look at what the saders had done They ran the 3 loosies and the 2 centres at our centres JDV and SBW got the glory but in both games it was the loose forwards who caused our centres problems
What concerns me is that none of our centres tackled the Stormers back When Strauss was there he owned the inside channel but now no one is owning that channel and thats why the 5 on 2/3 attach will work against us every time
I also think that the Sharks were aware that the stormers were going to have a go at them physically and were told not to retaliate cos Paper has the reputation of going for players that retaliate. Hence the CJ Burger and Elstat attacks. IN days gone by we would have taken all of them out!!!!Lastly you cannot play Wolla and Vic as flankers together-Wolla and Vic play the same game and after Keegan left the field we were not competitive at all in the loose Yes Wolla had some nice runs but there was no trio work
Stormers playing 2 open siders killed us when last did we have 20 odd turnovers-12 loosing the ball in contact and i think 13 t/o and that was the game folks
Moving forward Yes next week must be a 5 pointer no issue and to do this we need to change a few things-maybe not personnel but playing method. I think Plum is a good enough coach to notice that some teams have our number and we need to be sure that when we come up against the stormers in the semi that the result will be different and when we come up against the saders in the final that we win that too
The Sharks remind me a lot of Tottenham Hotspur great midfield and nothing else We have a great pack an ok S/H-who I think is overplayed- a great F/H and nothing else!!!!!
I was told the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result!!! Thats our midfield There needs to be changes Adi is a 13 not a 12 so play him there move oupa to 12 or something radical play odwa at 12 his one on one defence is great and he runs good lines on defence and attack. Wingers make great centres
my 2 cents worth

Comment 153, posted at 01.05.11 11:32:33 by Fattmann

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@ Fattmann, so Plum is insane then…persisting with Bosman and Stefan in midfield ?

Comment 154, posted at 01.05.11 11:39:35 by Charlie

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we could not believe our luck in CT when we heard Bissy was on bench. With Botes out it was thought to be a foregone conclusion that Bissy would start to assist at the breakdowns. As for Adi, what a waste of a talent considering what the sharks have in that squad. I said flo would have a free luch with Bissy and Botes not there. You guys were lucky P Grant did not play, 50 would have been easy. Be careful of how you select going forward, especially against the Bulls and Cheetahs…steggmann and brussow will hurt you again . see rugby 365….plum calling it men against boys…stormers are the real deal…Smit needs to retire and allow Bissy to play…Burden showed in the earlier game he too is wasted because of the ongoing accomodation of a skipper in decline.PDV better wake up and smell the coffee…or boks will be in same boat as sharks.

Comment 157, posted at 01.05.11 11:52:33 by grant10

@Charlie (Comment 154) : I would not dare say that but if the shoe fits
I think a Oupa Adi combo would work well Or maybe a Odone Adi combo. After watching the Sharks XV yesterday I think its time for Swannie to make a S15 debut Riaan Adi would also work very well But the S15 side need Swannie so if i was choosing I would use Oupa at 12 Adi At 13
However even given the changes we need to change our way of playing and here Hugh must step up. I remember years back Just after we won the currie cup for the first time I was at a breakfast when Mac spoke and had a question and answer section he was asked why did he change the “banana boys” style of playing He said he got tired of loosing and started to study how the french and Aussies were playing He talked Stansky into running the ball straight up and the rest is history
For us Hugh must come up with a change of plan with both our attack and defence that will get us over the gain line every time and bring in the loose forwards to create the space for Adi to shine
Just a thought Use it Dont use it

Comment 158, posted at 01.05.11 11:54:33 by Fattmann

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@grant10 (Comment 157) : The cock that crows the loudest is the one that gets cooked for Sunday lunch… You sure are one big cock.

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@SharonvanWyk (Comment 159) : insult all you like….although I suppose being vcalled Big C Ock is not that bad, but Sharon the writing is on the wall….the cancer is there but you guys put on tinted glasses and choose not to see the obvious.

anyway, enjoy your day.

Comment 162, posted at 01.05.11 12:06:05 by grant10

@grant10 (Comment 162) : Insult? What insult? Merely stating a fact. Big cocks with loud voices tend to rule the roost, but have a very short lifespan as they inevitably end up in the oven quicker than their smaller, less conspicuous brethren…
As for the cancer analogy… Not a terribly clever use of words. Especially seeing that I’ve lost two parents to cancer. I pray it doesn’t ever happen to you or your loved ones.
And writing on the wall can always be edited by those who know how to use words properly. Sadly, those who read it and don’t understand it are beyond help.

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@SharonvanWyk (Comment 163) : relax Shazz the “cancer analogy” has a lot to do with what John said in his book about Luke Watson. you can’t bring your personal life into rugby banter, it’s not fair

Comment 164, posted at 01.05.11 12:27:46 by Megatron

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Plumtree said that the players must now come up with the answers in how they could do better. My advice would be that the Sharks must go on a serious buying spree for midfielders that can take the punch. The “Old Boys Club” in the team may cost the team a few trophies along the line!! And by the way, Meyer Bosman was not a good buy at all. I also heard a rumour that another has been is on his way from Europe!! So, Sharks management take it from a supporter’s view that if you cannot buy class players, go for a hunt on the country’s good U/21′s!! There must be a solution. Half of yesterday’s tries were soft ones that could have been prevented!!

Comment 165, posted at 01.05.11 12:30:44 by trooperman

@grant10 (Comment 157) :
Dude, I try not to be disparaging of people who actually do apply some thought to their posts and take the time to share this on the blog, but you can’t wedge circumstances to fit your agenda.

We didn’t lose because of Smit, and pretending that we did just undersells a superb display from your team yesterday.

FYI: I was at the game yesterday, and the fans applauded Smit onto and off the field as warmly as they did 4 years ago.

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Just watched this again.

Two complaints from a Stormers perspective.

1. CJ is a tool. Looks like he got away with some vuilgat stuff yesterday. So far. That kind of brainless thuggery can cost the Stormers the match.

2. Not a biggie, but de Jongh should occasionally consider PASSING THE DAMN BALL to the oke next to him who happens to be in acres of space.

Thanks you.

Comment 169, posted at 01.05.11 13:11:09 by McLovin

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@McLovin (Comment 169) : It’s actually amazing watching the repeats of the matches because you aren’t so riled up and on the edge of your seat and can actually appreciate the finer nuances of the game. And, as you have done, accurately critique them!

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O ja, and another thing I noticed was how good little Lambie is. He puts in a huge amount of work especially on defence.

Comment 178, posted at 01.05.11 13:26:11 by McLovin

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I don’t know if we are in or out of title contention, but I do know that we need to play out of our skins to finish as strong as possible…

From a technical aspect our locks and hookers need to do a lot of hard work to develop a synergy and a mentality of domination…
Andries Bekker is a big unit, but what makes him so special is not the half inch he has on Ross Skeate, but the technical nous and reading of the lineout – we need to develop a total lineout playbook that has variance. I will be very surprised if big Gerhard Mostert does not get selected in the match 22 from now on… Plum likes Skeate because of “intelligence” and I think he spoke his way into the match against The Stormers because of perhaps knowing the lineout system – Skeate did not pitch up to the game, and looks unable to put a crsip solid tackle together – he tackles like a tall James Small – collar here, shirt sleeve there. Skeate needs to be honest with himself and up his game big time.

John Smit did nothing for his reputation, and allowed a little pikey to get the better of him… John Smit – my man, this is your last season here – but do we allow him to carry on playing, or do we start building now for next season? Bismarck, Kyle Cooper and Burden are our hookers and Kyle/Burden to rotate on the bench and get a mandatory 20 min in each game.

Locks and hookers need some face time.

Loose forwards:

Ryan Kankowski: Where are you? Are you able to get go forward ball, do you know how to counter ruck with venom? Do you want to be a forward, or a back? Because maybe you should audition at centre we seem to have a problem there… (more to follow) – Ryan has not shown up all season, sure he scored a try here and there, but he needs to be more involved, if he cannot, then it is time we accept that Ryan is a super sub employed when the game gets loose and the real forwards have set the platform…

Botes / Daniel / Deysel / Alberts:

I disagree that Alberts and Deysel are the same players, as Deysel is a more dynamic number 7, and before injury was the leading counter ruck forward we have – thus he is more tight on defence than Alberts who stands pillar defence – thus Alberts and Deysel do compliment each other – Alberts had the highest tackle count for last season, Deysel most clean outs and most running meters… What we do need is a number 8 that can get tight too – Is this Alberts, is this Daniel, is this Marcel in the XV team?

Our management is stubborn and is one dimensional with team policy, making it an honour to get a look into the senior team (play for the jersey mentality) – but there are some shining stars in the junior teams who could out play one or two of our current centres… Our centres need work, and Stef needs to be regarded less for his leadership, and more for his ability – I played centre, I may not be world class, but I can see that Stef is the weak link there, he places far too much pressure on Meyer Bosman, Bosman is in fact defending two channels as Stef drifts too much – he is not a centre, Meyer Bosman is a centre, and he is a centre with a gift to distribute – I would put Adi on his outside and look at blooding in our Vodacom Cup boys into the senior team – Swannie can pass a ball and has shown signs even last season that he can up his ante – he needs to be allowed to put pressure on Meyer Bosman – Adi and co must be allowed to put pressure on Stef…

As for captaincy I would put Deysel as my captain – I say this because he is currently not in Bok contention and he is a calm guy who leads from the front – he commands respect from friend and foe – if not him I would look at Ali Hargreaves – Ali is more or less in Bok contention, but even though he is an astute rugby man, I feel he commands less respect than Deysel – with power of delegation given to the younger long term players in the system you can kill two birds with one stone – Smit and Stef i.e. Leadership – both can play from the bench as cover, or for the time being be dropped altogether…

Does Plum and co have the balls to do this, or am I in the wrong?

As for management – we lack in technical skills, Mark Steele is a world class conditioning coach and you can see that our boys are fit, but what you can also see is a dogmatic coaching theology in place on attack, but no clear defensive pattern – we do drift, but when there is no defensive marshall at centre our communication breaks down and one player is left with three defensive positions to cover, it is not possible…

Guys this is just my thoughts and I would like to use this as a discussion on where to from here… We don’t want youngsters to be left out in the cold whilst old timers get game time and I don’t want to see youngsters overlooked for old mercenaries for next season…

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@McLovin (Comment 182) : His bringing down of Habana was a try-saving moment, to be sure. And a classic tackle. Pat’s a real scrapper when it comes to the breakdown too. You won’t see Morne Steyn getting stuck in like that.

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@SharonvanWyk (Comment 183) : 92kg? That must be fully clothed with his togbag.

He’s fairly short and combined with his ‘babyface’ I just can’t help calling him little.

Comment 185, posted at 01.05.11 13:39:58 by McLovin

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Where does Lambie get his perm done? I didn’t realise there were hairdressers who still do perms.

Comment 186, posted at 01.05.11 13:44:35 by McLovin

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@McLovin (Comment 185) : 1,77m. So average height I guess. (Around 5ft 10 or so). There’s a fair amount of muscle under that shirt, I can assure you! He’s bulked up somewhat since the Currie Cup final, which I think helps make him something of a tackling machine, because the opposition completely underestimates his impact, and, as you so rightly point out, he looks too cute to be considered dangerous!

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@Ben (Comment 193) : Come on at least give me some recognition for my visionary statement, I feel like my team – an orphan in the storm whilst our scribes talk about how sexy our general is! How are things going that side? As for rugby, yep we were dished a klap or two… @SharonvanWyk (Comment 194) : We don’t stay angry long – like your new arti – we are supporters! Love your work…

Comment 195, posted at 01.05.11 13:56:45 by DarkDestroyer

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 179) : Totally with you on Oupa. Super rugby is showing his age and lack of centre experience. Jean’s 1st try was due to Oupa drifting. Secondly, Pls rest Big Willem!! Jean is back, so lets rotate. 3rdly Keegan was beaten 6-0,6-0 on the ground… concerning as counter rucking was also not working…

But, be honest… the Stormers came with their AAA-game and were never going to lose this one. their intensity was up for 100% of the game. Give respect where its due. We will bounce back, but have to make changes.

Comment 196, posted at 01.05.11 13:57:39 by catfish

@McLovin (Comment 191) : Ahh…. there’s the rub…. bulking down is a beeaaaattttcchhhh! I’ve shed 25kgs since the start of the year, so I can write the book on that one!

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 195) : Cheers. We have every right to get angry, as long as we don’t let it take us over to the Dark Side, even though I hear it has cookies! (Thanks to Richard Ferguson’s new avatar!)

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@catfish (Comment 196) : Yep, Stormers brought the thunder – they wanted to beat us physically and all – and they won on all counts… As for Keegan, he has more go forward than Botes and Kanko, hence he is my number 6… But yes, Willem seems he needs big rest… Scary thought, I think the Stormers can still improve, but they clicked yesterday…

Comment 199, posted at 01.05.11 14:00:07 by DarkDestroyer

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@McLovin (Comment 200) : Yup. My own special diet to suit my own special bod… one meal a day of less than 1000 calories, working my butt off twice a day to Rihanna for an hour at a time, lots of water, lots of willpower and a fantastic plastic surgeon!

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 195) : Like I said yesterday I think Stef should hang his boots up so high that ni one can ever reach it again. If we are going to keep selecting him I’m going to throw my toys out of the cot! Enough is enough, our backline is stalemate with him in it. Note JDV 1st try from yesterday, Stef should have stayed and helped Meyer tackle JDV. There was one attacker outside of JDV and Stef had Odwa next to him how could cover that attacker. Stef should have went for JDV. Not saying Bosman didn’t have a bad game that he did, but I think Stef is our problem in the backline. He has been consistantly kak.

Comment 205, posted at 01.05.11 14:10:34 by Ben

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@McLovin (Comment 204) : Its an honour to have Ricky Januarie as a member here! (come on you can laugh at that)…

Comment 206, posted at 01.05.11 14:11:07 by DarkDestroyer

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 203) : I agree, some opposition destroying would definitely NOT go amiss! Perhaps we need a Sith Lord on the coaching staff? Mind you, with all those cookies the Sith will be getting fat and lazy…

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@McLovin (Comment 204) : It’s all in the mind. You have to want it more than anything else on Earth. Like winning the SupeRugby trophy. Maybe I should start coaching!!! I can see me putting the boys through their paces!!!
It is now time for me to bid everyone adieu. It’s freezing cold in my office (bleedin’ freezing cold in Pretoria!) and my lunch is calling… along with a nice warm lounge and a nice warm dog to cuddle.
TTFN!

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 208) : Couldn’t agree more! Not even metioning all the aimless kicking Stef does. If he want to play half he should be considered there. Me myself would maybe consider him in the vodacom cup team.

Comment 213, posted at 01.05.11 14:16:56 by Ben

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@Ben (Comment 213) : Technically he got exposed horribly – against class midfields the eye of judgment is severe… Stef has served us well, but he needs to be honest with himself – if he has a poor game again, the management might not have a choice… He is a weak link sadly – don’t mark the ball in goal kids…

Comment 215, posted at 01.05.11 14:20:13 by DarkDestroyer

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@DarkDestroyer (Comment 215) : That marking the ball in goal was a joke! What was he thinking? And then just to kick the ball straight to Aplon. Could even have resulted in a try against us if Aplon didn’t go for the drop. He missed a trick, he should have retired after the Currie Cup. Would have been remembered as a huge Legend. I’m just starting to dislike him more and more now.

Comment 217, posted at 01.05.11 14:25:37 by Ben

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So now the stormers have become favourites to beat the saders?? ..

Comment 218, posted at 01.05.11 14:36:34 by bergshark

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“Losing doesn’t make me want to quit.It makes me want to fight that much harder.”- american football coach.
Sharks4ever!!!!!!

Comment 219, posted at 01.05.11 14:40:03 by bergshark

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Did anybody else think Odwa did a fine job at full back, possibly out-shining Ludik?

Comment 221, posted at 01.05.11 14:48:48 by Mocho

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@Ben: so if saders hammer every sa team and every combo(ie,midfield,loosies,line-out,etc),how can boks possibly hope to win the wc?..
Sharks were beaten by stormers and I don’t like it,but when it comes down to a choice between stormers or bulls or cheetahs or lions vs aus and kiwi teams,then I hope we can beat them.
Sharks must win ALL their games and fellow sa teams ALL their games vs kiwi and aus teams..then I’m happy

Comment 222, posted at 01.05.11 14:55:36 by bergshark

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@Mocho: remember that fab try odwa scored vs wp @ newlands in 2007 cc playing fb?
Odwa is the most improved player in sharks team..look at how out of depth he seemed in his first game in superrugby vs stormers @newlands in 2005 and where he is now..

Comment 223, posted at 01.05.11 14:59:06 by bergshark

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@bergshark (Comment 222) : If we smash the Brumbies and the Saders smash the Stormers, we are right back in it with the Stormers still having to go on tour.

Comment 224, posted at 01.05.11 15:01:11 by Ben

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@Ben: sorry,can’t agree.. Sharks had their chance vs saders and two against stormers.. Not going to hope for stormers to be beaten by kiwi team coz it will help our chances..bigger things at play in saders vs stormers game for me then superrugby log..gonna be a mini rugby test this coming weekend down in the cape..

Comment 225, posted at 01.05.11 15:15:14 by bergshark

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@bergshark (Comment 225) : What an awesome Sharks supporter you are! Given up already!

Comment 226, posted at 01.05.11 15:18:28 by Ben

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Read somewhere that a fellow blogger wrote that sharks are looking to sign another player currently in europe..any idea who that can be? ..hope they still looking at getting ronnie cooke..
Frans steyn would also be a welcome return.

Comment 227, posted at 01.05.11 15:21:21 by bergshark

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@robdylan:”sharks taught a rugby lesson”..only if the sharks team and management,coaching staff took notes and paid attention in class..

Comment 228, posted at 01.05.11 15:41:53 by bergshark

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IMO the separating of Barrit and Murray was the biggest mistake ever. They were young centres who combined well and could have matured into world beaters. I don’t care how good F steyn was,good centre combinations like that only come once every 10 years and we let’s it go.

Comment 229, posted at 01.05.11 16:03:00 by Mocho

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They were a good centre combo in 2007..
F steyn is a special talent,though..

Comment 230, posted at 01.05.11 16:19:02 by bergshark

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Its ridiculous that we lost those three… They were special. (Barrit, Murray, Steyn) – Sharks rugby seems to always have some volatile undertone. To lose young players is a crime, to lose young players and replace them with carthorses, I am not so sure. Had Barrit and Waylon stayed and played for a decade and a bit they would still be younger than Stef. Mull over that for a second or two… Centre combinations are built, not merely put together…

Comment 231, posted at 01.05.11 17:13:01 by DarkDestroyer

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Might be a better option for what the Sharks have at the moment!!

Comment 232, posted at 01.05.11 20:36:36 by trooperman

Sorry was on the road back from my city Durbs and was about in Pretoria when the game was played and from what i heard and me shouting to myself hubby said he has a mad partner and that dame storm we went through it couldn’t of been worse we played Kak

Sharks wake up this is not the U18 or any Under team this is SR and its men against men not boys there now i have said just maybe we will win big time with the next game

GO SHARKS GO

Comment 233, posted at 04.05.11 18:02:24 by chaz

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