Talk:Scarlett

On respectful addition of transgender note

Not only has she become one of the most successful unknown open bracket players in StarCraft 2 history but she has also become StarCraft’s most successful transgendered player, breaking down even more barriers in a sport that is dominated by men and sometimes characterized as sexist or hyper-masculine.

I don't want this trolled as much as the next guy, but I think this is significant enough to deserve mention (gamers breaking through barriers). --DanglarsTalk 18:32, 10 April 2012 (KST)

Okay, so I just dug through a bunch of reddit threads and found her account
http://www.reddit.com/user/ScarlettM
The above quoted statement simply isn't there now. I guess with everyone simply agreeing with it now it probably is true but I would really like to see an actual source other than a quote in an article or a claim some random person made in reddit. Pal2002 12:52, 27 April 2012 (KST)

The source is an editorial from ESFI World, not Reddit. Please, read the linked article from a very reputable source. Again, this is not from reddit, so I fail to see any relevance of your comment. ----DanglarsTalk 14:06, 27 April 2012 (KST)

I have read the article, which is why I went on the reddit search - "To put the rumors to rest, Scarlett was preemptive, responding to a Reddit post detailing an ESFI tweet with her picture."Also -"said Scarlett in her Reddit comment." That's what the article attributes the quote from, and it is definitely not there now. I also cannot find this quote in scarlett's twitter, or her tl posts. In fact, every google result of this quote is a reference to the esfi article, not the true source. I really want to see a true source of this quote. Pal2002 03:15, 28 April 2012 (KST)

I don't see why this is relevant to my player page. It is disrespectful as I have always tried to make it a complete non-issue and including this is subverting that and akin to mentioning someone is the best gay/black/etc player; something that has absolutely no relevance on how they play. Also I have - never - mentioned anything about it in an interview/show/etc (the ThisIsGame article included something from a private discussion which was not intended to be published). Scarlett` 18:45, 2 May 2012 (KST)

It is relevant as it's a milestone of sorts in esports history. It is not disrespectful or an "issue". It's important. You obviously must know that you face challenges other SC2 players don't. Any minority who rises to accomplish great feats often in the face of adversity, ignorance, and hate should be championed for who they are. I would suggest you read the first paragraph of wikipedia's Jackie Robinson article for perspective on why it's important to note these things. That's not to say the fact that you're transgendered should be the focus of this article, but in the spirit of being a wiki all information relevant to what you've done and who you are should at least be mentioned. Yoduh 22:45, 16 July 2012 (KST)

Yoduh, being transgender is not like being African American, being religious, or even being gay. It's vastly different than all of those things because almost nobody WANTS to be transgender. They would much rather have been born cis-gendered in the correct gender for them. I understand you're trying white-knight here and hold Scarlett up as some sort of symbol, but this would do more harm than good. She already has to deal with every single Youtube video, Reddit thread, and stream chat being filled with nonsense and hate, so advertising a status she does not want known for to more people (regardless of its "historical value") is not something LP should do. There is a difference between LP and Wikipedia in that Wikipedia strives to be accurate in all things whereas LP would not exist without the community, and posting something harmful to a community player just to be accurate crosses boundaries that I do not think LP should cross. Dcemuser 15:53, 14 November 2012 (KST)

Dcemuser, I disagree that it has anything to do with whether people want to be transgender or not. I think the reason it should not be included like being the first black major league baseball player is that Starcraft has never had an issue (as far as I know) with people being discriminated for their gender. It isn't notable that Scarlett is transgender because it never affected her performance or acceptance. Some people might make rude remarks about/to her but I do not think she has been discriminated against the same way blacks were with baseball and such. Of course, if I am mistaken, and she has been held back as a result, then I do think it is something of note. Scarlett herself seems to not think the information is important and so unless there is any evidence that she was was held back in a major way (in the realm of Starcraft) then I see no reason to include that information. Thegegors 07:08, 4 April 2013 (KST)

Most successful female player?

The "Trivia" section says, "Her IPL4 performance catapulted her to most successful transgendered player in Starcraft 2". While this is certainly true, it's a pretty substantial understatement since her IPL4 performance also makes her the most successful female player in Starcraft 2 as far as I can tell, not to mention being ranked #7 GM on NA. Perhaps that line should mention both, or even just "female"?--DavidHolmes 11:09, 17 April 2012 (KST)

After I wrote that it occurred to me that it might be unfair to assign that title without seeing her beat Aphrodite or Flo in a tournament. Still, food for thought...

Her accomplishments speak for themselves. She made a huge impact from the open bracket with many upsets. I added that 'particular' quote from ESFI World because this is gamers breaking historical barriers. It already has caused re-evaluation of those that hold to antiquated stereotypes. Most successful female player, bar none, is premature since this was the first tournament that brought her to prominence, whereas other female gamers have been competing against the best for far longer. We look to her continued performance with anticipation. ----DanglarsTalk 14:11, 27 April 2012 (KST)