Sorry but ambitious players will not want to come to a club which sells its best players and looks (or is) lacking in ambition in the short term. I stress short term.

The club has a medium to longer term plan, with the infrastructure in place etc. But players think much shorter term. The better players are going to want to see a realistic shot a promotion. And we are selling all our best players! End of...

Sorry but ambitious players will not want to come to a club which sells its best players and looks (or is) lacking in ambition in the short term. I stress short term.
The club has a medium to longer term plan, with the infrastructure in place etc. But players think much shorter term. The better players are going to want to see a realistic shot a promotion. And we are selling all our best players! End of...London Dave

As I said on another post....we've had too many false hopes lately and wasn't about to jump up and down until he signed. So here we go again.....weeks and weeks of waffling around has cost us yet another decent player. Talk about management incompetence.

As I said on another post....we've had too many false hopes lately and wasn't about to jump up and down until he signed. So here we go again.....weeks and weeks of waffling around has cost us yet another decent player. Talk about management incompetence.albionbloke

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
If Burnley were always lurking then to be fair we never had a chance. They would just wait until we agreed a fee then match it andoffer

They waited 12 months to make a move did they? Complete rubbish

[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote:
If Burnley were always lurking then to be fair we never had a chance. They would just wait until we agreed a fee then match it andoffer[/p][/quote]They waited 12 months to make a move did they? Complete rubbishmark by the sea

The club appears to be a total shambles at the moment. It seems to still be run in the same amateur, tinpot way in which it was run in those dark days when we almost dropped out of the league. We should have got Ward signed up months ago, months ago. The amateurs running the club really need to get some professionals in. Shambles, absolute shambles. So, Tony Bloom, we're going to have a good squad by the end of August are we??? I think not.

The club appears to be a total shambles at the moment. It seems to still be run in the same amateur, tinpot way in which it was run in those dark days when we almost dropped out of the league. We should have got Ward signed up months ago, months ago. The amateurs running the club really need to get some professionals in. Shambles, absolute shambles. So, Tony Bloom, we're going to have a good squad by the end of August are we??? I think not.MikeTheMan

If any of these rose tinted followers still believe that the only reason these deals don't get done is because the players want to move to a Premier League club then I'm sorry - they're in big denial.

We have had three seasons when our players were not moving to Premier League clubs so why now?

There is a terrible atmosphere hanging over the club right now and anyone who understands can see what's happening.

No good Tony Bloom keeping making ridiculous comments about how hard his team are working. I've never been impressed by 'hard work' but rather 'smart work' and when he keeps 'blaming' all manner of things outside of the club he forgets the old adage 'when you're pointing the finger of blame notice you have three fingers pointing back at yourself'!

Something has to be sorted soon.

If any of these rose tinted followers still believe that the only reason these deals don't get done is because the players want to move to a Premier League club then I'm sorry - they're in big denial.
We have had three seasons when our players were not moving to Premier League clubs so why now?
There is a terrible atmosphere hanging over the club right now and anyone who understands can see what's happening.
No good Tony Bloom keeping making ridiculous comments about how hard his team are working. I've never been impressed by 'hard work' but rather 'smart work' and when he keeps 'blaming' all manner of things outside of the club he forgets the old adage 'when you're pointing the finger of blame notice you have three fingers pointing back at yourself'!
Something has to be sorted soon.WisdomSpeaks

That's what happens when you p*** around and wait at the last moment it all goes tits up. Have finally lost faith in our board lately it has become demoralizing. I will never stop supporting the club but us fans deserve better. At least watching match of the day on a Saturday night will be ok with all the ex Brighton players in the premier league shame it won't be with us.

That's what happens when you p*** around and wait at the last moment it all goes tits up. Have finally lost faith in our board lately it has become demoralizing. I will never stop supporting the club but us fans deserve better. At least watching match of the day on a Saturday night will be ok with all the ex Brighton players in the premier league shame it won't be with us.bhaforever

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
If any of these rose tinted followers still believe that the only reason these deals don't get done is because the players want to move to a Premier League club then I'm sorry - they're in big denial.

We have had three seasons when our players were not moving to Premier League clubs so why now?

There is a terrible atmosphere hanging over the club right now and anyone who understands can see what's happening.

No good Tony Bloom keeping making ridiculous comments about how hard his team are working. I've never been impressed by 'hard work' but rather 'smart work' and when he keeps 'blaming' all manner of things outside of the club he forgets the old adage 'when you're pointing the finger of blame notice you have three fingers pointing back at yourself'!

Something has to be sorted soon.

Agreed. Blooming ridiculous.

[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote:
If any of these rose tinted followers still believe that the only reason these deals don't get done is because the players want to move to a Premier League club then I'm sorry - they're in big denial.
We have had three seasons when our players were not moving to Premier League clubs so why now?
There is a terrible atmosphere hanging over the club right now and anyone who understands can see what's happening.
No good Tony Bloom keeping making ridiculous comments about how hard his team are working. I've never been impressed by 'hard work' but rather 'smart work' and when he keeps 'blaming' all manner of things outside of the club he forgets the old adage 'when you're pointing the finger of blame notice you have three fingers pointing back at yourself'!
Something has to be sorted soon.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Blooming ridiculous.London Dave

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
If Burnley were always lurking then to be fair we never had a chance. They would just wait until we agreed a fee then match it andoffer

They waited 12 months to make a move did they? Complete rubbish

Last season had nothing to do with this. Who is to say we could have signed him earlier? Typical MBTS, retrofitting the truth.

[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote:
If Burnley were always lurking then to be fair we never had a chance. They would just wait until we agreed a fee then match it andoffer[/p][/quote]They waited 12 months to make a move did they? Complete rubbish[/p][/quote]Last season had nothing to do with this. Who is to say we could have signed him earlier? Typical MBTS, retrofitting the truth.Ex-pat Arnie

I hope BBB have now learned their lesson that if you wait trying to be clever until the last minute you will miss all your targets. Why wasn't Ward offered deals as soon as the season ended? These people are proving how little they know about running a club. They're very good at selling merchandise but if they're not careful they'll have no one to buy it soon!

I hope BBB have now learned their lesson that if you wait trying to be clever until the last minute you will miss all your targets. Why wasn't Ward offered deals as soon as the season ended? These people are proving how little they know about running a club. They're very good at selling merchandise but if they're not careful they'll have no one to buy it soon!WisdomSpeaks

What an absolute farce. Another nail in the coffin for bumbling Burke. He couldn't sign his own name.

This transfer window has been nothing short of a disaster. Let's hope they do better in January when they'll be panic buying no doubt to stave off relegation.

What an absolute farce. Another nail in the coffin for bumbling Burke. He couldn't sign his own name.
This transfer window has been nothing short of a disaster. Let's hope they do better in January when they'll be panic buying no doubt to stave off relegation.heshootshescores

What the hell is going on ??? Just why won't players come to the Albion ?? Stop bring so dam tight and pay the going rate or we will be bottom 6 all season ! Then what ??
Come on TB , go public and tell us what's going on !! We deserve honesty !!! We pay to keep our beloved Albion afloat !
I'm getting so down about all this !!

What the hell is going on ??? Just why won't players come to the Albion ?? Stop bring so dam tight and pay the going rate or we will be bottom 6 all season ! Then what ??
Come on TB , go public and tell us what's going on !! We deserve honesty !!! We pay to keep our beloved Albion afloat !
I'm getting so down about all this !!kipper12

Good on him. He would have been a fool to come here, now that we have pitched our season into one of nonprogressive inactivity. I can't imaging anyone of any worth wanting to come here now! Take heed Sami and get out while your pride is on tact😐

Good on him. He would have been a fool to come here, now that we have pitched our season into one of nonprogressive inactivity. I can't imaging anyone of any worth wanting to come here now! Take heed Sami and get out while your pride is on tact😐MHubbs

Well that's **** my evening right off. This club **** around all pre season to sign Ward only to be beaten by Burley. Total shambles this club at recruiting players. It time for Bloom to get rid of these clowns!!! A squad ti be prod of before the transfer window close, yeh my backside!!!!

Well that's **** my evening right off. This club **** around all pre season to sign Ward only to be beaten by Burley. Total shambles this club at recruiting players. It time for Bloom to get rid of these clowns!!! A squad ti be prod of before the transfer window close, yeh my backside!!!!Tony the tiger eastbourne

Ffs not again thought we would of learnd by now goodl luck to him. Barber Burke out now otherwise we might see more players leaving and know one will want to come in unless they start signing players now if not I want them gone I've had enough of what they are doing to our club

Ffs not again thought we would of learnd by now goodl luck to him. Barber Burke out now otherwise we might see more players leaving and know one will want to come in unless they start signing players now if not I want them gone I've had enough of what they are doing to our clubLiambhataylor19

No one to blame but TB & PB in this case. As someone said earlier 'You snooze - you lose'. Absolute shambles if this is true. Not a way to treat your loyal and high paying customers. 2 weeks left and we still need a left back, a marquee centre forward, a creative midfielder, and now to replace Buckley - a winger. 4 minimum but ideally on or two more on top of that. I think I have more chance of my hair growing back. TB needs to make a statement to the fans and NOW!

No one to blame but TB & PB in this case. As someone said earlier 'You snooze - you lose'. Absolute shambles if this is true. Not a way to treat your loyal and high paying customers. 2 weeks left and we still need a left back, a marquee centre forward, a creative midfielder, and now to replace Buckley - a winger. 4 minimum but ideally on or two more on top of that. I think I have more chance of my hair growing back. TB needs to make a statement to the fans and NOW!arc12

If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.

They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.

If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.

Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.

AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.

If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.
They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.
If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.
Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.
AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.VegasSeagull

Money talks and premier clubs have much more of it. Sounds like he has let us down at the last minute which is extremely frustrating. If a premier club wanted him I would have thought they would have shown their hand by now. They just waited until they knew what they had to beat and then slid in under the radar.
Cannot blame Ward I suppose but equally what are we to do, we cannot afford premiership wages that is the dilemma. We now need another left back sharpish.

Money talks and premier clubs have much more of it. Sounds like he has let us down at the last minute which is extremely frustrating. If a premier club wanted him I would have thought they would have shown their hand by now. They just waited until they knew what they had to beat and then slid in under the radar.
Cannot blame Ward I suppose but equally what are we to do, we cannot afford premiership wages that is the dilemma. We now need another left back sharpish.Piglet1

I'm just stunned, can't believe this. What is happening to us? All summer it's been a complete shambles and it's continuing. We deserve better, we are the Albion the best supporters in the championship. Well and truly p****d off!

I'm just stunned, can't believe this. What is happening to us? All summer it's been a complete shambles and it's continuing. We deserve better, we are the Albion the best supporters in the championship. Well and truly p****d off!Sweetmanattheamex

When the bloodletting is over, the core of the fans will still be there, urging the team on - whatever that team may be....
I am on the crest of a trough at the moment.

I hope and expect to be a little comforted in a couple of weeks. I will not be driven to complete despair by MBTS and others - this is MY team as well as theirs!

When the bloodletting is over, the core of the fans will still be there, urging the team on - whatever that team may be....
I am on the crest of a trough at the moment.
I hope and expect to be a little comforted in a couple of weeks. I will not be driven to complete despair by MBTS and others - this is MY team as well as theirs!brightonup

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

I'm no betting man, but I suspect Naylor's "expected to sign" prediction for Clayton, Baldock and Ward is looking a smidgen wide of the mark.

[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]I'm no betting man, but I suspect Naylor's "expected to sign" prediction for Clayton, Baldock and Ward is looking a smidgen wide of the mark.Quiterie

All I can say is the board couldn't have been that impressed with him last season otherwise they would have tied him down in may....if you **** around this is what happens....I would urge hypia to go asap...and I would ask bloom to get rid of Burke and barber...until he does I won't be going and I would hope other fans will follow suit...if you vote with your feet bloom will have to act...

All I can say is the board couldn't have been that impressed with him last season otherwise they would have tied him down in may....if you **** around this is what happens....I would urge hypia to go asap...and I would ask bloom to get rid of Burke and barber...until he does I won't be going and I would hope other fans will follow suit...if you vote with your feet bloom will have to act...the taffster

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?Bucket feet Duffy

I have been extremely relaxed, restrained and very very patient the last few months, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable !!! It absolutely smacks of incompotance. What on earth is going on at the Football Club?

I have been extremely relaxed, restrained and very very patient the last few months, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable !!! It absolutely smacks of incompotance. What on earth is going on at the Football Club?Alan G Skinner

Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.

So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.

Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.

All about wages and the cut for his agent.
Albion's annual turnover is about £25m.
Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.
So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.
Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.Withdean-er

B-hove wrote:
Is there anyone out there who wants to play in Barber-Burke's version of BHA?

They should swap Barber/ Burke for The Chuckle Brothers. The way the recruitment of players makes laugh!! A P up in a Brewery comes to mind. The end of the transfer window is going to very interesting; NOT!!!

[quote][p][bold]B-hove[/bold] wrote:
Is there anyone out there who wants to play in Barber-Burke's version of BHA?[/p][/quote]They should swap Barber/ Burke for The Chuckle Brothers. The way the recruitment of players makes laugh!! A P up in a Brewery comes to mind. The end of the transfer window is going to very interesting; NOT!!!Tony the tiger eastbourne

Everyone is forgetting one word, LOYALTY. Absolute disgrace that somebody agrees personal terms with us and then fails to show. The sooner football takes a fkin nose dive in this country financially and players take a pay cut, the better it will be for everyone. I'm starting to hate football at this level, just through the pure greed of players and their agents.

Everyone is forgetting one word, LOYALTY. Absolute disgrace that somebody agrees personal terms with us and then fails to show. The sooner football takes a fkin nose dive in this country financially and players take a pay cut, the better it will be for everyone. I'm starting to hate football at this level, just through the pure greed of players and their agents.argchat

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.

And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.

PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.

[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?[/p][/quote]Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.
And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.
PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.Withdean-er

argchat wrote:
Everyone is forgetting one word, LOYALTY. Absolute disgrace that somebody agrees personal terms with us and then fails to show. The sooner football takes a fkin nose dive in this country financially and players take a pay cut, the better it will be for everyone. I'm starting to hate football at this level, just through the pure greed of players and their agents.

Agree with you, and if the Albion end up serving future years of Championship and League One dross at the Amex as quality players in the future are all snapped up by the other c. 30 clubs (i.e. the 20 plus another 10 swimming in PL parachute £), that could be devastating.

Vicente, Buckley, Murray, Bennett, Orlandi, Bridge, Noone .... to me, have served up some wonderful games and moments over the last 5 years. If we are now increasingly out of the picture for the future equivalent of players of that ilk, being very much second division in money terms, that is worrying.

[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote:
Everyone is forgetting one word, LOYALTY. Absolute disgrace that somebody agrees personal terms with us and then fails to show. The sooner football takes a fkin nose dive in this country financially and players take a pay cut, the better it will be for everyone. I'm starting to hate football at this level, just through the pure greed of players and their agents.[/p][/quote]Agree with you, and if the Albion end up serving future years of Championship and League One dross at the Amex as quality players in the future are all snapped up by the other c. 30 clubs (i.e. the 20 plus another 10 swimming in PL parachute £), that could be devastating.
Vicente, Buckley, Murray, Bennett, Orlandi, Bridge, Noone .... to me, have served up some wonderful games and moments over the last 5 years. If we are now increasingly out of the picture for the future equivalent of players of that ilk, being very much second division in money terms, that is worrying.Withdean-er

brightonup wrote:
When the bloodletting is over, the core of the fans will still be there, urging the team on - whatever that team may be....
I am on the crest of a trough at the moment.

I hope and expect to be a little comforted in a couple of weeks. I will not be driven to complete despair by MBTS and others - this is MY team as well as theirs!

The core fans might still be there - but that hard 'core' of fans is probably less than 10,000. We have a massive floating fair weather support and now things are getting stormy it'll be interesting how many of those continue to support the club. Harsh but true - bearing in mind the capacity ay Withdean was around 9000 we rarely filled that. Yes we have a magnificent new stadium but also many 'Jonny come lately's too'.

[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote:
When the bloodletting is over, the core of the fans will still be there, urging the team on - whatever that team may be....
I am on the crest of a trough at the moment.
I hope and expect to be a little comforted in a couple of weeks. I will not be driven to complete despair by MBTS and others - this is MY team as well as theirs![/p][/quote]The core fans might still be there - but that hard 'core' of fans is probably less than 10,000. We have a massive floating fair weather support and now things are getting stormy it'll be interesting how many of those continue to support the club. Harsh but true - bearing in mind the capacity ay Withdean was around 9000 we rarely filled that. Yes we have a magnificent new stadium but also many 'Jonny come lately's too'.arc12

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.

And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.

PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.

Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.

[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?[/p][/quote]Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.
And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.
PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.[/p][/quote]Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.argchat

to be honest im not sure we actually truly wanted Ward. it looks good to the supporters if we go after these players and just miss out on them at the last minute as another club beats us to it. but if we really wanted him we would have signed him weeks ago. it just looks good to us fans if it appears they are going after these players.

to be honest im not sure we actually truly wanted Ward. it looks good to the supporters if we go after these players and just miss out on them at the last minute as another club beats us to it. but if we really wanted him we would have signed him weeks ago. it just looks good to us fans if it appears they are going after these players.Phillip Smith

Couldn't agree more but if Ward doesn't want to join us then good riddance.
I really only want players who positively want to play for BHA.
It seems footballers and ex-footballers agree things one moment and do the opposite the next. First Lee now Ward. Shows a lot of gratitude for helping to revive his career.
I suspect Ward's agent is behind this but wonder if our recruitment department has mucked things up (again ?). Echoes of the Grabban saga - it's beginning to become a bit of a trend.
SH must be both gutted and not very impressed and rather let down. If I were SH I would be having a very serious chat with TB about the Albion's recruitment department. As it turns out by pursuing Ward we have wasted about 7 weeks as far as acquiring a first choice LB is concerned and now we only have 18 days to do so !
In trying to be positive I hope we move quickly for someone else , someone who turns out to be a better (and younger) option than Ward.

[quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote:
Really not happy with this news![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more but if Ward doesn't want to join us then good riddance.
I really only want players who positively want to play for BHA.
It seems footballers and ex-footballers agree things one moment and do the opposite the next. First Lee now Ward. Shows a lot of gratitude for helping to revive his career.
I suspect Ward's agent is behind this but wonder if our recruitment department has mucked things up (again ?). Echoes of the Grabban saga - it's beginning to become a bit of a trend.
SH must be both gutted and not very impressed and rather let down. If I were SH I would be having a very serious chat with TB about the Albion's recruitment department. As it turns out by pursuing Ward we have wasted about 7 weeks as far as acquiring a first choice LB is concerned and now we only have 18 days to do so !
In trying to be positive I hope we move quickly for someone else , someone who turns out to be a better (and younger) option than Ward.ballantrrae

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.

They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.

If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.

Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.

AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.

Some good points, but Burnley will be paying him twice or triple our Championship wage. Just the way it is.

[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote:
If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.
They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.
If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.
Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.
AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.[/p][/quote]Some good points, but Burnley will be paying him twice or triple our Championship wage. Just the way it is.Withdean-er

Gonna give Nyalor a pass on this one, he had it all correct until the hijack, and who expected that to happen.

If I were innBloom's shoes, and if we have any serious talks going on for a player or two, I would move heaven and earth to get them done tomorrow, even if we have to cough up a tad more than we want to.

The fans need a lift, we have a diffcult match on Saturday, give us something to hang our hat on.

Gonna give Nyalor a pass on this one, he had it all correct until the hijack, and who expected that to happen.
If I were innBloom's shoes, and if we have any serious talks going on for a player or two, I would move heaven and earth to get them done tomorrow, even if we have to cough up a tad more than we want to.
The fans need a lift, we have a diffcult match on Saturday, give us something to hang our hat on.VegasSeagull

Alan G Skinner wrote:
I have been extremely relaxed, restrained and very very patient the last few months, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable !!! It absolutely smacks of incompotance. What on earth is going on at the Football Club?

spot on, incompetence of the highest order. So Bloom was being canny saving wages through the close season was he on this player that we needed? The great Lizard of the poker table thought he would bluff it out until the last minute did he? Ward could have been our player weeks ago but Bloom knew best and held out.....And lost.

[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote:
I have been extremely relaxed, restrained and very very patient the last few months, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable !!! It absolutely smacks of incompotance. What on earth is going on at the Football Club?[/p][/quote]spot on, incompetence of the highest order. So Bloom was being canny saving wages through the close season was he on this player that we needed? The great Lizard of the poker table thought he would bluff it out until the last minute did he? Ward could have been our player weeks ago but Bloom knew best and held out.....And lost.SonnyJim55

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.

And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.

PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.

Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.

If ever the s/t prices go up sharply, but still without PL football, I'd seriously consider quitting our s/t's. It's already high by national standards including the PL, to watch a fast deteriorating squad in terms of quality especially lack of match winners and players that get you off your seat.

Over to TB to salvage morale and squad quality with quality additions in those last days to 1st Sept. There are surely many players available to buy or borrow ... PL and other £ clubs squads are overloaded.

[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?[/p][/quote]Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.
And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.
PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.[/p][/quote]Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.[/p][/quote]If ever the s/t prices go up sharply, but still without PL football, I'd seriously consider quitting our s/t's. It's already high by national standards including the PL, to watch a fast deteriorating squad in terms of quality especially lack of match winners and players that get you off your seat.
Over to TB to salvage morale and squad quality with quality additions in those last days to 1st Sept. There are surely many players available to buy or borrow ... PL and other £ clubs squads are overloaded.Withdean-er

Story re Pullis was not happy at transfer activity and failure to land his targets.
We could lose Hypia if we were not honest in telling him as it was at the beginning of his time with us, I can see it going down to the last day, just hope we don't end up with a load of Donkeys, we must have had some crap manager/coaches over the last few seasons if they couldn't get promotion with a squad half of which is now residing in the premiership.

Story re Pullis was not happy at transfer activity and failure to land his targets.
We could lose Hypia if we were not honest in telling him as it was at the beginning of his time with us, I can see it going down to the last day, just hope we don't end up with a load of Donkeys, we must have had some crap manager/coaches over the last few seasons if they couldn't get promotion with a squad half of which is now residing in the premiership.Bucket feet Duffy

Phillip Smith wrote:
to be honest im not sure we actually truly wanted Ward. it looks good to the supporters if we go after these players and just miss out on them at the last minute as another club beats us to it. but if we really wanted him we would have signed him weeks ago. it just looks good to us fans if it appears they are going after these players.

Better than Chicksen. Not in the same league as Wayne Bridge.

Ben Mee at Burnley might now be looking for a game...

[quote][p][bold]Phillip Smith[/bold] wrote:
to be honest im not sure we actually truly wanted Ward. it looks good to the supporters if we go after these players and just miss out on them at the last minute as another club beats us to it. but if we really wanted him we would have signed him weeks ago. it just looks good to us fans if it appears they are going after these players.[/p][/quote]Better than Chicksen. Not in the same league as Wayne Bridge.
Ben Mee at Burnley might now be looking for a game...London Dave

Come on true BHA supporters. Anyone who thinks Ward has gone to Burnley on the same wages he would have got at BHA is deluded. All Wolves are interested in is the transfer fee. After that its the best deal a players agent can agree. Ward will be on a lot more at Burnley.

Let's hope that one of the alternative names being banded around when Wolves were being difficult, materialises. All those pointing the finger at TB - that's easy when you are not having to dip into your pockets for a few million. It's depressing at the moment, but it will make the good times feel extra special when they return.

Come on true BHA supporters. Anyone who thinks Ward has gone to Burnley on the same wages he would have got at BHA is deluded. All Wolves are interested in is the transfer fee. After that its the best deal a players agent can agree. Ward will be on a lot more at Burnley.
Let's hope that one of the alternative names being banded around when Wolves were being difficult, materialises. All those pointing the finger at TB - that's easy when you are not having to dip into your pockets for a few million. It's depressing at the moment, but it will make the good times feel extra special when they return.Chi Gull

Seagulls26 wrote:
See my comment on MR NAYLOR has been taken off!!
I'll say it again go talk about some speedway rather than these stories that never materialise.

When the story broke earlier today on various media Kenny Jackett the Wolves manager was quoted as saying that the clubs had agreed terms and that it was 'down to Brighton and the player (Ward)' to finalise things
I don't think you can blame Naylor for reporting something that looked as if it was going to happen as evidenced by Jackett's remarks. Naylor's story had substance. Give the guy a break in this instance.

[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
See my comment on MR NAYLOR has been taken off!!
I'll say it again go talk about some speedway rather than these stories that never materialise.[/p][/quote]When the story broke earlier today on various media Kenny Jackett the Wolves manager was quoted as saying that the clubs had agreed terms and that it was 'down to Brighton and the player (Ward)' to finalise things
I don't think you can blame Naylor for reporting something that looked as if it was going to happen as evidenced by Jackett's remarks. Naylor's story had substance. Give the guy a break in this instance.ballantrrae

mikeygit wrote:
Sorry guys I got thumbs DOWN when I suggested IF it happens. We seem to be jinxed on getting anyone now I AM in despair

Well Mickey, seems another wheel has fallen off the wagon. Not sur eif you noticed it but one comment on this thread asks, 'why didn't the prem clubs come for our payers last year,' what's your take on that question?

[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote:
Sorry guys I got thumbs DOWN when I suggested IF it happens. We seem to be jinxed on getting anyone now I AM in despair[/p][/quote]Well Mickey, seems another wheel has fallen off the wagon. Not sur eif you noticed it but one comment on this thread asks, 'why didn't the prem clubs come for our payers last year,' what's your take on that question?VegasSeagull

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gonna give Nyalor a pass on this one, he had it all correct until the hijack, and who expected that to happen.

If I were innBloom's shoes, and if we have any serious talks going on for a player or two, I would move heaven and earth to get them done tomorrow, even if we have to cough up a tad more than we want to.

The fans need a lift, we have a diffcult match on Saturday, give us something to hang our hat on.

Yes, agreed.

Spoke to a couple Birmingham City season ticket holders today. Crikey, they're a pessimistic bunch... Enough to give anyone a lift.

[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote:
Gonna give Nyalor a pass on this one, he had it all correct until the hijack, and who expected that to happen.
If I were innBloom's shoes, and if we have any serious talks going on for a player or two, I would move heaven and earth to get them done tomorrow, even if we have to cough up a tad more than we want to.
The fans need a lift, we have a diffcult match on Saturday, give us something to hang our hat on.[/p][/quote]Yes, agreed.
Spoke to a couple Birmingham City season ticket holders today. Crikey, they're a pessimistic bunch... Enough to give anyone a lift.London Dave

Remember...this is not the first time this has happened this summer. Sammy Lee also agreed terms to become assistant manager and then did a U-turn. You'd think players would jump at the chance to play for a club like Brighton...great town, great support...but I guess it all comes down to who pays the most in the end.

Remember...this is not the first time this has happened this summer. Sammy Lee also agreed terms to become assistant manager and then did a U-turn. You'd think players would jump at the chance to play for a club like Brighton...great town, great support...but I guess it all comes down to who pays the most in the end.heshootshescores

Oh and not a silly question Withdean-re given the opportunity to play in the PL for the same money I would go with the PL the likelihood is that he was almost certainly offered more the BHA deal was possibly given to Burnley by his agent.

Oh and not a silly question Withdean-re given the opportunity to play in the PL for the same money I would go with the PL the likelihood is that he was almost certainly offered more the BHA deal was possibly given to Burnley by his agent.Bucket feet Duffy

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Story re Pullis was not happy at transfer activity and failure to land his targets.
We could lose Hypia if we were not honest in telling him as it was at the beginning of his time with us, I can see it going down to the last day, just hope we don't end up with a load of Donkeys, we must have had some crap manager/coaches over the last few seasons if they couldn't get promotion with a squad half of which is now residing in the premiership.

Losing Hypia may not be a disaster. Who knows how he will be 'in the relegation trenches'.....

[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
Story re Pullis was not happy at transfer activity and failure to land his targets.
We could lose Hypia if we were not honest in telling him as it was at the beginning of his time with us, I can see it going down to the last day, just hope we don't end up with a load of Donkeys, we must have had some crap manager/coaches over the last few seasons if they couldn't get promotion with a squad half of which is now residing in the premiership.[/p][/quote]Losing Hypia may not be a disaster. Who knows how he will be 'in the relegation trenches'.....kwaidam

Been a s/t holder for a number of years now and to be honest I,do rather watch the football we played at our last season at withdean than all the luxuries we have at the amex we had players who fought for the shirt. Players that didn't think they were the be all end all and a board that put us on the map. Looks like s/t will go down and fans will pick and choose their games to watch as there will be plenty seats to choose from what say ye all

Been a s/t holder for a number of years now and to be honest I,do rather watch the football we played at our last season at withdean than all the luxuries we have at the amex we had players who fought for the shirt. Players that didn't think they were the be all end all and a board that put us on the map. Looks like s/t will go down and fans will pick and choose their games to watch as there will be plenty seats to choose from what say ye allscottishb;ue

Completely amateurish. We're playing Russian roulette and losing all over the place. someone at Sunderland has said we're a 'nightmare' to deal with - and they were the buying club!
This is very very poor. You can't blame Burnley, you can't blame ward. You can't blame huddersfield, you can't blame Clayton. We are not getting our targets in and Hyypia must be in despair.
Right now, i cannot think of a redeeming feature of our summer policy. If there is one, the club better reveal it to the public.

Completely amateurish. We're playing Russian roulette and losing all over the place. someone at Sunderland has said we're a 'nightmare' to deal with - and they were the buying club!
This is very very poor. You can't blame Burnley, you can't blame ward. You can't blame huddersfield, you can't blame Clayton. We are not getting our targets in and Hyypia must be in despair.
Right now, i cannot think of a redeeming feature of our summer policy. If there is one, the club better reveal it to the public.Albion In Staffs

Chi Gull wrote:
Come on true BHA supporters. Anyone who thinks Ward has gone to Burnley on the same wages he would have got at BHA is deluded. All Wolves are interested in is the transfer fee. After that its the best deal a players agent can agree. Ward will be on a lot more at Burnley.

Let's hope that one of the alternative names being banded around when Wolves were being difficult, materialises. All those pointing the finger at TB - that's easy when you are not having to dip into your pockets for a few million. It's depressing at the moment, but it will make the good times feel extra special when they return.

If you don't like noisy planes flying over your house don't buy a house under a flight path nobody expects Ward to have gone for the same or less, thing is this whole scenario was probably cooked up by wolves and his agent, if we want a player then someone needs to get off their arse and go and sign them subject to a medical, problem is I expect Burke needs his eight hours and driving or flying up to the Midlands compromises that.
Oh well two weeks and counting.

[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote:
Come on true BHA supporters. Anyone who thinks Ward has gone to Burnley on the same wages he would have got at BHA is deluded. All Wolves are interested in is the transfer fee. After that its the best deal a players agent can agree. Ward will be on a lot more at Burnley.
Let's hope that one of the alternative names being banded around when Wolves were being difficult, materialises. All those pointing the finger at TB - that's easy when you are not having to dip into your pockets for a few million. It's depressing at the moment, but it will make the good times feel extra special when they return.[/p][/quote]If you don't like noisy planes flying over your house don't buy a house under a flight path nobody expects Ward to have gone for the same or less, thing is this whole scenario was probably cooked up by wolves and his agent, if we want a player then someone needs to get off their arse and go and sign them subject to a medical, problem is I expect Burke needs his eight hours and driving or flying up to the Midlands compromises that.
Oh well two weeks and counting.Bucket feet Duffy

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Sorry cannot agree in any way. Ward has been on our radar all summer. He stated he wanted to come back and we played jeopardy with him. We should have signed up a primary target when we were in the driving seat.

[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Sorry cannot agree in any way. Ward has been on our radar all summer. He stated he wanted to come back and we played jeopardy with him. We should have signed up a primary target when we were in the driving seat.Albion In Staffs

Sorry to say Tony Bloom but I've lost complete faith in you and your plan...whatever it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....I greatly admire and thank you for what you have done in building a greatl infrastructure but you (and your chosen executives) are failing miserably when it comes
running a football team. It frankly amazes me that you sit there in silence while your team falls apart. Your silence is also a slap in the face to your paying customers, surely you know they deserve better? To me, this borders on contempt. I've had faith in you for all that you are building but the actions of you and your highly paid executives is rapidly causing me to lose faith in you. And that hurts more than anything as I was always proud of the fact that we had a true fan as the leader of this club. This summer has shown me that my faith has been misguided.

Sorry to say Tony Bloom but I've lost complete faith in you and your plan...whatever it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....I greatly admire and thank you for what you have done in building a greatl infrastructure but you (and your chosen executives) are failing miserably when it comes
running a football team. It frankly amazes me that you sit there in silence while your team falls apart. Your silence is also a slap in the face to your paying customers, surely you know they deserve better? To me, this borders on contempt. I've had faith in you for all that you are building but the actions of you and your highly paid executives is rapidly causing me to lose faith in you. And that hurts more than anything as I was always proud of the fact that we had a true fan as the leader of this club. This summer has shown me that my faith has been misguided.albionbloke

Ward thought he was worth more it had already been reported previously that a number of clubs were interested but no contact, I am convinced this was set up by Wolves and Wards agent in a bid to flush out a club that would bid more, I would not be suprised if Burnley knew what was required before negotiations started.
That is why Jacket made the comment to the media they were looking for a bigger fish to fry! And that Fish was never going to be BHA.

Ward thought he was worth more it had already been reported previously that a number of clubs were interested but no contact, I am convinced this was set up by Wolves and Wards agent in a bid to flush out a club that would bid more, I would not be suprised if Burnley knew what was required before negotiations started.
That is why Jacket made the comment to the media they were looking for a bigger fish to fry! And that Fish was never going to be BHA.Bucket feet Duffy

Is it just me but why would a premier league club want Ward. He's clearly not good enough. Would have been a good solid choice for us. He's a 6 or 7 every week in the Championship but has never shown premiership quality. Wayne Bridge showed what a premier league left back can do in the Championship. Can only think Burnley are rebuilding early for life back in the championship.

Is it just me but why would a premier league club want Ward. He's clearly not good enough. Would have been a good solid choice for us. He's a 6 or 7 every week in the Championship but has never shown premiership quality. Wayne Bridge showed what a premier league left back can do in the Championship. Can only think Burnley are rebuilding early for life back in the championship.lonegull

is that right ive heard saturdays game at birmingham is going to be 5 a side match i believe thats how many players well have left by then were an absolute joke well end up like pompey youll see the way things are going at the amex bloom and burke wake up and get things sorted and sign some bloody decent players for gods sake

is that right ive heard saturdays game at birmingham is going to be 5 a side match i believe thats how many players well have left by then were an absolute joke well end up like pompey youll see the way things are going at the amex bloom and burke wake up and get things sorted and sign some bloody decent players for gods saketez1959

Looks like me and Liam Bridcutt was 100% correct yet again.Fans must now stop going into the ground and start asking why lower league rubbish like Dunk and JFC got 4 year contracts? The club is just looked as a joke now in the football world.Like i said last season Ulloa and Buckley wanted out last season but the club blocked it wanting more money at the time.

Looks like me and Liam Bridcutt was 100% correct yet again.Fans must now stop going into the ground and start asking why lower league rubbish like Dunk and JFC got 4 year contracts? The club is just looked as a joke now in the football world.Like i said last season Ulloa and Buckley wanted out last season but the club blocked it wanting more money at the time.Please wake up

Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: "Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.

Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: "Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.Albion In Staffs

Your looking good dutch wrote:
So Pulis leaves the scum. Not such a bad day after all

Well not being funny but we might well have a vacant managers position here once again and very soon the way things are going, and Pulls would be the man to fill it and lead us to the promised land, if some of the millions in the bank account are made available. Well just have to ignore the palace connections. They I think will go for Mackay or Lennon, the sort of managers we thought we should have gone for.

[quote][p][bold]Your looking good dutch[/bold] wrote:
So Pulis leaves the scum. Not such a bad day after all[/p][/quote]Well not being funny but we might well have a vacant managers position here once again and very soon the way things are going, and Pulls would be the man to fill it and lead us to the promised land, if some of the millions in the bank account are made available. Well just have to ignore the palace connections. They I think will go for Mackay or Lennon, the sort of managers we thought we should have gone for.Mayfield sweeper

Have to admit, it is difficult remaining positive
My half full glass is now only half full!

But as I have previously stated, I will wait until the window closes before passing judgement on TB.

And as I have also stated, If No new players come in I will continue to support the boys wearing the shirt.
That is what a genuine supporter does
UTA

Have to admit, it is difficult remaining positive
My half full glass is now only half full!
But as I have previously stated, I will wait until the window closes before passing judgement on TB.
And as I have also stated, If No new players come in I will continue to support the boys wearing the shirt.
That is what a genuine supporter does
UTAOldGull

albionbloke wrote:
Sorry to say Tony Bloom but I've lost complete faith in you and your plan...whatever it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....I greatly admire and thank you for what you have done in building a greatl infrastructure but you (and your chosen executives) are failing miserably when it comes
running a football team. It frankly amazes me that you sit there in silence while your team falls apart. Your silence is also a slap in the face to your paying customers, surely you know they deserve better? To me, this borders on contempt. I've had faith in you for all that you are building but the actions of you and your highly paid executives is rapidly causing me to lose faith in you. And that hurts more than anything as I was always proud of the fact that we had a true fan as the leader of this club. This summer has shown me that my faith has been misguided.

He said by the close of the window we will have a squad that we would be happy with, I agree that we are doing badly thus far re our recruitment, before we abandon Tony completely let's give him the time that he stated.
I think as previous posts that we were taken for a ride by Mr Jacket on this as well as the player himself or his agent, that's where he earns his money, getting the best deal for the player he represents and to a degree the club.
As said if we want a player don't fluff around all day talking on the phone ,go get off your arse and contract signed subject to a medical.

[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote:
Sorry to say Tony Bloom but I've lost complete faith in you and your plan...whatever it is. I've said it before and I'll say it again.....I greatly admire and thank you for what you have done in building a greatl infrastructure but you (and your chosen executives) are failing miserably when it comes
running a football team. It frankly amazes me that you sit there in silence while your team falls apart. Your silence is also a slap in the face to your paying customers, surely you know they deserve better? To me, this borders on contempt. I've had faith in you for all that you are building but the actions of you and your highly paid executives is rapidly causing me to lose faith in you. And that hurts more than anything as I was always proud of the fact that we had a true fan as the leader of this club. This summer has shown me that my faith has been misguided.[/p][/quote]He said by the close of the window we will have a squad that we would be happy with, I agree that we are doing badly thus far re our recruitment, before we abandon Tony completely let's give him the time that he stated.
I think as previous posts that we were taken for a ride by Mr Jacket on this as well as the player himself or his agent, that's where he earns his money, getting the best deal for the player he represents and to a degree the club.
As said if we want a player don't fluff around all day talking on the phone ,go get off your arse and contract signed subject to a medical.Bucket feet Duffy

Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.

So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.

Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.

And Burnley is such an attractive place to live compared to sunny Brighton by the sea. Now he can take the bigger pay packet and spend the season on the bench probably as reserve left back. And he gets more MONEY than he would have done here. MONEY - that's what it was about all along.

IMHO that was what he wanted. MORE MONEY. It's no good signing for a Prem club and not playing much football - unless you are Stephen Ward. Must have really p****d him off last season - having to put his boots on every week and play football in order to collect his pay packet.

Lets move on and hopefully find a LB who actually wants to come here.
UP THE ALBION!

[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
All about wages and the cut for his agent.
Albion's annual turnover is about £25m.
Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.
So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.
Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.[/p][/quote]And Burnley is such an attractive place to live compared to sunny Brighton by the sea. Now he can take the bigger pay packet and spend the season on the bench probably as reserve left back. And he gets more MONEY than he would have done here. MONEY - that's what it was about all along.
IMHO that was what he wanted. MORE MONEY. It's no good signing for a Prem club and not playing much football - unless you are Stephen Ward. Must have really p****d him off last season - having to put his boots on every week and play football in order to collect his pay packet.
Lets move on and hopefully find a LB who actually wants to come here.
UP THE ALBION!Spirit of Spearitt

Albion In Staffs wrote:
P.S.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hyypia follows the Pulis route in the very near future. And I wouldn't blame him.

That will then open the door for them to give NJ the job on the cheap.

[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote:
P.S.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hyypia follows the Pulis route in the very near future. And I wouldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]That will then open the door for them to give NJ the job on the cheap.Please wake up

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: &quot;Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.

It might help in future if Bloom/Burke negoitiate in person and not via a conference call (if that is how it was done). Travel to the player's home ground to hold talks and take our senior medic with them. Get the details agreed and written into the contract, carry out the medical on the spot using their facilities, once passed, have the player sign the contract.

[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote:
Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: "Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.[/p][/quote]It might help in future if Bloom/Burke negoitiate in person and not via a conference call (if that is how it was done). Travel to the player's home ground to hold talks and take our senior medic with them. Get the details agreed and written into the contract, carry out the medical on the spot using their facilities, once passed, have the player sign the contract.VegasSeagull

Not sure why thumbs down. Chickson has more potential for improvement.

Man of the Match for me against Cheltenham

[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote:
chickson is better.[/p][/quote]Not sure why thumbs down. Chickson has more potential for improvement.[/p][/quote]Man of the Match for me against Cheltenhamwardfan

Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.

So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.

Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.

And Burnley is such an attractive place to live compared to sunny Brighton by the sea. Now he can take the bigger pay packet and spend the season on the bench probably as reserve left back. And he gets more MONEY than he would have done here. MONEY - that's what it was about all along.

IMHO that was what he wanted. MORE MONEY. It's no good signing for a Prem club and not playing much football - unless you are Stephen Ward. Must have really p****d him off last season - having to put his boots on every week and play football in order to collect his pay packet.

Lets move on and hopefully find a LB who actually wants to come here.
UP THE ALBION!

Nice views across the moors near Burnley when the fog clears you know. Mustn't be underestimated.

[quote][p][bold]Spirit of Spearitt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
All about wages and the cut for his agent.
Albion's annual turnover is about £25m.
Burnley's, with much smaller gates, a lot of poverty in their environ, and much lower ticket prices .... overnight will be c.£80m per annum from all income sources.
So Burnley are able to double the weekly wage (non-parachute) Championship clubs can pay. Gutting, but most of us would do the same.
Instances of this are increasing, as well as clubs shadowing our clubs moves in transfer windows through media news, then stepping in and gazumping. Lazy but a modern additional way of 'scouting'. Agents, for obvious reasons, thrive on this .... a greater pay packet for their player, doubles their cut.[/p][/quote]And Burnley is such an attractive place to live compared to sunny Brighton by the sea. Now he can take the bigger pay packet and spend the season on the bench probably as reserve left back. And he gets more MONEY than he would have done here. MONEY - that's what it was about all along.
IMHO that was what he wanted. MORE MONEY. It's no good signing for a Prem club and not playing much football - unless you are Stephen Ward. Must have really p****d him off last season - having to put his boots on every week and play football in order to collect his pay packet.
Lets move on and hopefully find a LB who actually wants to come here.
UP THE ALBION![/p][/quote]Nice views across the moors near Burnley when the fog clears you know. Mustn't be underestimated.Mayfield sweeper

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: &quot;Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.

It might help in future if Bloom/Burke negoitiate in person and not via a conference call (if that is how it was done). Travel to the player's home ground to hold talks and take our senior medic with them. Get the details agreed and written into the contract, carry out the medical on the spot using their facilities, once passed, have the player sign the contract.

Who knows how it was done? (or not)
I do know that Brian Clough used to get players in his office for talks and assuming it went well refused to let them out until they signed.
We seem (or at least it feels it to me) to regard players as a commodity who should do as they're told because we're in charge.
We're clearly not,

[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote:
Keeping your own counsel and t*ssing off the local media in preference for your own platform when you feel like it as all very well when you're on the up. But there's a saying: "Always look after people on your way up, because you'll meet them on the way down."
I wouldn't be surprised if there's an element of professional satisfaction in Andy Naylor and the Argus reporting failure upon failure because they've been frozen out by arrogance.
I really admire Tony Bloom for the bigger piece of work he's done, but have no time for a summer of complete failure. in recent years we have made losses that have to be balanced but the income and saving from transfers and releases should have resulted in a far better return on summer activity.
Frankly, and I make no bones about it, after a summer of promises, supported by a recent forum, the administrative performance is contemptible.[/p][/quote]It might help in future if Bloom/Burke negoitiate in person and not via a conference call (if that is how it was done). Travel to the player's home ground to hold talks and take our senior medic with them. Get the details agreed and written into the contract, carry out the medical on the spot using their facilities, once passed, have the player sign the contract.[/p][/quote]Who knows how it was done? (or not)
I do know that Brian Clough used to get players in his office for talks and assuming it went well refused to let them out until they signed.
We seem (or at least it feels it to me) to regard players as a commodity who should do as they're told because we're in charge.
We're clearly not,Albion In Staffs

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.

They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.

If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.

Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.

AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.

I think you are missing the point. I don't believe Burnley have been interested until the last week when something happened in their camp. If they had wanted Ward, Sean Dyche would have sewn it up long ago; that's how he acts.
People can say all this nonsense about Bloom being poker-like in dealing and being clever to save wages over the Summer and getting the price down by waiting but it's all nonsense. If he was acting like that then it's not negotiating but brinkmanship. There is a world of difference and it is a very tricky card to play. I doubt any of the three Bs are clever enough to do it. A good Barrister or Lawyer may do it but it takes years of training and experience.
No, there is only one fundamental problem here....the Albion **** footed around until it was too late. I don't think they really wanted to sign him and were looking for a cheaper option but things were getting desperate so they were forced to act. That's just my guess but if true then they missed the boat and it could be a huge error of judgement (which is different from negligence).
Whoever is handling our negotiations is not very good at it either and with my experience I feel qualified to make that assumption.

[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote:
If Money, be it the trasnfer fee or his wages, was the issue, then Burnley would have signed him weeks ago, we are not talking big numbers here.
I think that Burnely were always interested in the lad but just hadn't made a move, maybe they had other irons in the fire, but once it was known that our deal was close to fruition, Burnley had to move or lose, they moved.
They didn't have to offer a bigger fee or better wages, just he fact that they are prem was all that was needed, just as long as they were offering the same as us. I said in a comment yesterday, 'what the prem clubs want the prem clubs get,' when it comes to Champ Div club players.
If there is any truth in a prem club wanting Kaz, they will get him.
Time to move on and find another left back and deal with the Kz issue of it comes about. This might be a good time for Bloom to issue a statement.
AGT999 was right to suggest some caution after all, if only the thumbs down could be retracted.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point. I don't believe Burnley have been interested until the last week when something happened in their camp. If they had wanted Ward, Sean Dyche would have sewn it up long ago; that's how he acts.
People can say all this nonsense about Bloom being poker-like in dealing and being clever to save wages over the Summer and getting the price down by waiting but it's all nonsense. If he was acting like that then it's not negotiating but brinkmanship. There is a world of difference and it is a very tricky card to play. I doubt any of the three Bs are clever enough to do it. A good Barrister or Lawyer may do it but it takes years of training and experience.
No, there is only one fundamental problem here....the Albion **** footed around until it was too late. I don't think they really wanted to sign him and were looking for a cheaper option but things were getting desperate so they were forced to act. That's just my guess but if true then they missed the boat and it could be a huge error of judgement (which is different from negligence).
Whoever is handling our negotiations is not very good at it either and with my experience I feel qualified to make that assumption.Claude Back

This club stated not so long ago it needed 20,000+ to break even. I can tell you that this, if we have trouble getting players to play for this club and end up playing kids to put out a decent side snd we end up near the bottom of the table, fans will vote with their feet and not turn up!! Also the following season fans wobt renew their season tickets. Whats Barber going to say then when up to 20% don't renew. Great club,great fans but let down very badly by a couple of useless articles

This club stated not so long ago it needed 20,000+ to break even. I can tell you that this, if we have trouble getting players to play for this club and end up playing kids to put out a decent side snd we end up near the bottom of the table, fans will vote with their feet and not turn up!! Also the following season fans wobt renew their season tickets. Whats Barber going to say then when up to 20% don't renew. Great club,great fans but let down very badly by a couple of useless articlesTony the tiger eastbourne

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Wrong. They should have sewn this deal up a long time ago.

[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Wrong. They should have sewn this deal up a long time ago.kwaidam

Well I honestly didn`t think it was possible to screw this signing up ,but some how these incompetent tight wad fools have . Here was a guy who stated openly at the end of last season that he wanted to join us , his parent club wanted him gone ,we knew how good this guy is and yet we stood around and waited and waited ,no doubt with the 3 fools praising each other on how clever they were for saving a few quid ,and believe me to find a likewise replacement ,it was only a few quid they saved ,surely it occurred to one of them that to leave it too long would be chancing loosing him to another team ,apparently not !.
Now the rumours are that Saints want Solly and Fulham want Kaz ,what a **kin mess , not so long ago I wouldn`t have dreamt of saying anything negative towards Mr Bloom ,right now I cant think of a single positive thing to say towards him . In a nutshell this past 2 months has been a bloody nightmare , and I cant think of a single way that these 3 bumbling idiots could ba1ls our club up any further , but I`m sure they`ll try . In fact this sorry saga might just be the last straw for Sami ,I know it feels like that to me ,I havn`t felt so disheartened with the way my club is being run since 96/7 . Bunch of penny pinching amateurs .

Well I honestly didn`t think it was possible to screw this signing up ,but some how these incompetent tight wad fools have . Here was a guy who stated openly at the end of last season that he wanted to join us , his parent club wanted him gone ,we knew how good this guy is and yet we stood around and waited and waited ,no doubt with the 3 fools praising each other on how clever they were for saving a few quid ,and believe me to find a likewise replacement ,it was only a few quid they saved ,surely it occurred to one of them that to leave it too long would be chancing loosing him to another team ,apparently not !.
Now the rumours are that Saints want Solly and Fulham want Kaz ,what a **kin mess , not so long ago I wouldn`t have dreamt of saying anything negative towards Mr Bloom ,right now I cant think of a single positive thing to say towards him . In a nutshell this past 2 months has been a bloody nightmare , and I cant think of a single way that these 3 bumbling idiots could ba1ls our club up any further , but I`m sure they`ll try . In fact this sorry saga might just be the last straw for Sami ,I know it feels like that to me ,I havn`t felt so disheartened with the way my club is being run since 96/7 . Bunch of penny pinching amateurs .tug509

Jeez there are some ridiculous comments on this thread. And the insults thrown at people who have a track record of success... I can understand people being disappointed but get some perspective for ******* sake!

Jeez there are some ridiculous comments on this thread. And the insults thrown at people who have a track record of success... I can understand people being disappointed but get some perspective for ******* sake!Dave in Hastings

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Yes when it came down to it we lost out to a PL club although I am not sure how long they will remain one. I just wonder how much game time Ward will actually get for Burnley. With BHA he would be one of the first on the team sheet.
There is a lesson to be learnt by TB from this episode. As the saying goes never leave to tomorrow what can be done today.
If I was Bloom and Barber I would be thinking of making significant changes to the Recruitment department. As I posted earlier there is a trend developing of resource agreeing to come to the Albion and then not doing so witness Grabban, Lee and now Ward. It really seems to be more than a coincidence.
What SH makes of this I can only guess but I really hope he stays because if he were to leave now we really would be up a creek without a paddle !
The club has just under 18 days in which to turn things round as far as new signings are concerned and I am keeping everything crossed that they do so. I will try to keep positive.
However I am beginning to have serious doubts......

[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Yes when it came down to it we lost out to a PL club although I am not sure how long they will remain one. I just wonder how much game time Ward will actually get for Burnley. With BHA he would be one of the first on the team sheet.
There is a lesson to be learnt by TB from this episode. As the saying goes never leave to tomorrow what can be done today.
If I was Bloom and Barber I would be thinking of making significant changes to the Recruitment department. As I posted earlier there is a trend developing of resource agreeing to come to the Albion and then not doing so witness Grabban, Lee and now Ward. It really seems to be more than a coincidence.
What SH makes of this I can only guess but I really hope he stays because if he were to leave now we really would be up a creek without a paddle !
The club has just under 18 days in which to turn things round as far as new signings are concerned and I am keeping everything crossed that they do so. I will try to keep positive.
However I am beginning to have serious doubts......ballantrrae

Dave in Hastings wrote:
Jeez there are some ridiculous comments on this thread. And the insults thrown at people who have a track record of success... I can understand people being disappointed but get some perspective for ******* sake!

Such as?

[quote][p][bold]Dave in Hastings[/bold] wrote:
Jeez there are some ridiculous comments on this thread. And the insults thrown at people who have a track record of success... I can understand people being disappointed but get some perspective for ******* sake![/p][/quote]Such as?Albion In Staffs

Baldseagull wrote:
Naylor on for a hat trick, Adam Clayton to Boro, Ward to Burnley now he just needs Sam Baldock to sign up somewhere and his &quot;Trio expected to sign" will all have signed, just not for us.

Bit harsh on AN but it did really make me laugh. Good one.

[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote:
Naylor on for a hat trick, Adam Clayton to Boro, Ward to Burnley now he just needs Sam Baldock to sign up somewhere and his "Trio expected to sign" will all have signed, just not for us.[/p][/quote]Bit harsh on AN but it did really make me laugh. Good one.Claude Back

Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.

Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of "ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.

We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.

Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.

We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.

It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.

UTA

Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.
Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of "ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.
We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.
Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.
We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.
It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.
UTAVince

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Had the club done everything right Ward would be an Albion player , that's the simple fact .

[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Had the club done everything right Ward would be an Albion player , that's the simple fact .tug509

Vince wrote:
Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.

Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of &quot;ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.

We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.

Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.

We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.

It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.

UTA

'Tony Bloom is not stupid'.......You mean it's an act?

[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote:
Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.
Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of "ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.
We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.
Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.
We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.
It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.
UTA[/p][/quote]'Tony Bloom is not stupid'.......You mean it's an act?Claude Back

TB is a great gambler when it comes to analysing stats and probabilities - but maybe he is now hanging himself by his own petard? Soccer is a different animal - you need to forget the stats (like O'Grady scored 15 goals for relegated Barnsley) and employ people who have a feel for what makes a good team. Vokes was a disaster for us - but under Dyche - and playing alongside Ings - he was superb. Statistics wouldn't have ever forecast that in a million years. You need a very clever type of manager to realise the talent/potential of some players. I recall watching the late Jimmy Leadbetter playing for the Albion in Div3(S) in the mid 1950's. He was a thoughtful player - but not a stand-out performer. He was a spindly legged player and looked like a bent old man. Who should see something in him that no one else did? Alf Ramsey - who in successive seasons took Ipswich from Div3S to Div 1 - where Leadbetter excelled as the skilful provider of pinpoint crosses for the prolific Crawford and Phillips partnership and Ipswich won the 1st Division Title in their first ever season in Div 1.

Yes TB needs to find a manager with the nous of Alf Ramsey - and DITCH the policy of using SUITS IN AN OFFICE TO BUY PLAYERS WHO ON PAPER LOOK GOOD - BUT IN REALITY WILL NOT GEL AS A TEAM.

NO COACH WORTH HIS SALT WILL JOIN US WITH OUR CURRENT SET-UP. NO WONDER GUS LEFT IN DISGUST.

LEAVE THIS JOB TO A SKILFUL MANAGER.

[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote:
FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]That was my first reaction!
One almighty big c*ck-up comes to mind!
TB is a great gambler when it comes to analysing stats and probabilities - but maybe he is now hanging himself by his own petard? Soccer is a different animal - you need to forget the stats (like O'Grady scored 15 goals for relegated Barnsley) and employ people who have a feel for what makes a good team. Vokes was a disaster for us - but under Dyche - and playing alongside Ings - he was superb. Statistics wouldn't have ever forecast that in a million years. You need a very clever type of manager to realise the talent/potential of some players. I recall watching the late Jimmy Leadbetter playing for the Albion in Div3(S) in the mid 1950's. He was a thoughtful player - but not a stand-out performer. He was a spindly legged player and looked like a bent old man. Who should see something in him that no one else did? Alf Ramsey - who in successive seasons took Ipswich from Div3S to Div 1 - where Leadbetter excelled as the skilful provider of pinpoint crosses for the prolific Crawford and Phillips partnership and Ipswich won the 1st Division Title in their first ever season in Div 1.
Yes TB needs to find a manager with the nous of Alf Ramsey - and DITCH the policy of using SUITS IN AN OFFICE TO BUY PLAYERS WHO ON PAPER LOOK GOOD - BUT IN REALITY WILL NOT GEL AS A TEAM.
NO COACH WORTH HIS SALT WILL JOIN US WITH OUR CURRENT SET-UP. NO WONDER GUS LEFT IN DISGUST.
LEAVE THIS JOB TO A SKILFUL MANAGER.Vince

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.

And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.

PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.

Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.

MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL - so the saying goes.

It could well see the END of football as we have known and loved it in this country for the last 100 years. It probably already has - if Brighton's experience is anything to go by.

GONE IS THE LOYALTY OF PLAYERS like Tom Finney, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and many other one-club players in yesteryear.

Now we have MONEY-GRABBING (GRABAN!) PLAYERS ASSISTED BY THEIR MONEY-GRABBING AGENTS who milk clubs of their hard-earned cash.

WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS? THE FOOTBALL FAN OF COURSE - AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORS LIKE SKY.

GONE - is the friendly, homely football club - instead we have the SUCCESS-HUNGRY appetite of chairmen WHO SACK MANAGERS LIKE THEY WERE YESTERDAYS RUBBISH (I don't include Tony Bloom in this respect).

Fans have to PAY THROUGH THE NOSE to watch mediocre football, and referees who make glaring mistakes every game being conned by players diving, shirt-tugging ,cheating - so that they miss the blatant trips in the penalty area - and book innocent players for diving when they didn't, handballs given for unintentional contact etc etc etc. All very frustrating for us fans to watch.

How can Championship clubs and below survive this Premiership monopoly of obscene transfer fees, wages, TV money, parachute payments etc??????? Small clubs like Burnley, Hull and Swansea are rare - surviving this circus by astute management and transfer dealings. The majority will slide back down and never challenge the top 6.

The premiership is now 2 divisions in one. The BIG PLAYERS and the SMALL FRY. Saints were top of the SMALL FRY and the rest of the teams were just vying with each other to stay out of the bottom 3.

WE WILL SOON HAVE A PREMIERSHIP OF 10 TEAMS.

The rest of the Football league will then be a separate entity - with entry to the Premiership based not just on promotion - but on the capacity of the club (fanbase and financial stability - a bit like Conference teams being accepted into the football league).

IMHO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY IN DANGER OF IMPLODING - WRECKED BY EXCESSIVE WAGES AND TRANSFER FEES
.

[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?[/p][/quote]Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.
And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.
PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.[/p][/quote]Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.[/p][/quote]MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL - so the saying goes.
It could well see the END of football as we have known and loved it in this country for the last 100 years. It probably already has - if Brighton's experience is anything to go by.
GONE IS THE LOYALTY OF PLAYERS like Tom Finney, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and many other one-club players in yesteryear.
Now we have MONEY-GRABBING (GRABAN!) PLAYERS ASSISTED BY THEIR MONEY-GRABBING AGENTS who milk clubs of their hard-earned cash.
WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS? THE FOOTBALL FAN OF COURSE - AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORS LIKE SKY.
GONE - is the friendly, homely football club - instead we have the SUCCESS-HUNGRY appetite of chairmen WHO SACK MANAGERS LIKE THEY WERE YESTERDAYS RUBBISH (I don't include Tony Bloom in this respect).
Fans have to PAY THROUGH THE NOSE to watch mediocre football, and referees who make glaring mistakes every game being conned by players diving, shirt-tugging ,cheating - so that they miss the blatant trips in the penalty area - and book innocent players for diving when they didn't, handballs given for unintentional contact etc etc etc. All very frustrating for us fans to watch.
How can Championship clubs and below survive this Premiership monopoly of obscene transfer fees, wages, TV money, parachute payments etc??????? Small clubs like Burnley, Hull and Swansea are rare - surviving this circus by astute management and transfer dealings. The majority will slide back down and never challenge the top 6.
The premiership is now 2 divisions in one. The BIG PLAYERS and the SMALL FRY. Saints were top of the SMALL FRY and the rest of the teams were just vying with each other to stay out of the bottom 3.
WE WILL SOON HAVE A PREMIERSHIP OF 10 TEAMS.
The rest of the Football league will then be a separate entity - with entry to the Premiership based not just on promotion - but on the capacity of the club (fanbase and financial stability - a bit like Conference teams being accepted into the football league).
IMHO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY IN DANGER OF IMPLODING - WRECKED BY EXCESSIVE WAGES AND TRANSFER FEES
.Vince

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Completely amateurish. We're playing Russian roulette and losing all over the place. someone at Sunderland has said we're a 'nightmare' to deal with - and they were the buying club!
This is very very poor. You can't blame Burnley, you can't blame ward. You can't blame huddersfield, you can't blame Clayton. We are not getting our targets in and Hyypia must be in despair.
Right now, i cannot think of a redeeming feature of our summer policy. If there is one, the club better reveal it to the public.

The only one to blame is BURKE. He has utterly failed to deliver; if he was a coach he'd have been fired weeks ago. Ward not coming here isn't the worst news in the world; not signing him weeks ago is indicative of the managerial stupidity that's prevailing at the moment.

Shocking last few weeks.

[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote:
Completely amateurish. We're playing Russian roulette and losing all over the place. someone at Sunderland has said we're a 'nightmare' to deal with - and they were the buying club!
This is very very poor. You can't blame Burnley, you can't blame ward. You can't blame huddersfield, you can't blame Clayton. We are not getting our targets in and Hyypia must be in despair.
Right now, i cannot think of a redeeming feature of our summer policy. If there is one, the club better reveal it to the public.[/p][/quote]The only one to blame is BURKE. He has utterly failed to deliver; if he was a coach he'd have been fired weeks ago. Ward not coming here isn't the worst news in the world; not signing him weeks ago is indicative of the managerial stupidity that's prevailing at the moment.
Shocking last few weeks.daughter-of-manag

Seagulls26 wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!!

So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?

Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.

And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.

PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.

Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.

MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL - so the saying goes.

It could well see the END of football as we have known and loved it in this country for the last 100 years. It probably already has - if Brighton's experience is anything to go by.

GONE IS THE LOYALTY OF PLAYERS like Tom Finney, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and many other one-club players in yesteryear.

Now we have MONEY-GRABBING (GRABAN!) PLAYERS ASSISTED BY THEIR MONEY-GRABBING AGENTS who milk clubs of their hard-earned cash.

WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS? THE FOOTBALL FAN OF COURSE - AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORS LIKE SKY.

GONE - is the friendly, homely football club - instead we have the SUCCESS-HUNGRY appetite of chairmen WHO SACK MANAGERS LIKE THEY WERE YESTERDAYS RUBBISH (I don't include Tony Bloom in this respect).

Fans have to PAY THROUGH THE NOSE to watch mediocre football, and referees who make glaring mistakes every game being conned by players diving, shirt-tugging ,cheating - so that they miss the blatant trips in the penalty area - and book innocent players for diving when they didn't, handballs given for unintentional contact etc etc etc. All very frustrating for us fans to watch.

How can Championship clubs and below survive this Premiership monopoly of obscene transfer fees, wages, TV money, parachute payments etc??????? Small clubs like Burnley, Hull and Swansea are rare - surviving this circus by astute management and transfer dealings. The majority will slide back down and never challenge the top 6.

The premiership is now 2 divisions in one. The BIG PLAYERS and the SMALL FRY. Saints were top of the SMALL FRY and the rest of the teams were just vying with each other to stay out of the bottom 3.

WE WILL SOON HAVE A PREMIERSHIP OF 10 TEAMS.

The rest of the Football league will then be a separate entity - with entry to the Premiership based not just on promotion - but on the capacity of the club (fanbase and financial stability - a bit like Conference teams being accepted into the football league).

IMHO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY IN DANGER OF IMPLODING - WRECKED BY EXCESSIVE WAGES AND TRANSFER FEES
.

Tell us something new.

This is beside the point, and that is, Brighton's penney pinching and inept transfer policy (burke) is to blame for not getting ward and grabban, but they and both poor players so blessing in disguise.

[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
If it's better terms you can't blame him,we'd all do the same,I would anyway as it's only a short career!
What really grates though is Mr Naylor publishing these non events,getting the fans a little bit excited only to be kicked in the knackers.,surely you've got some speedway to write about!
Please think again next time until it's set in stone!D:::HEAD!!![/p][/quote]So given the same terms would you in that position want to play championship or PL ?[/p][/quote]Silly question. They are never the same terms. Looks at Deloittes stats for wages. Average PL wage £31k per week, compared to £8k per week in the Championship.
And that was before the new much higher TV deal just earned by the PL, which will simply filter down into even greater PL player wages.
PL footballers, even non-playing squad members, are now incredibly wealthy individuals. Ward is about to rejoin that gravy train, and galling as it is for Albion fans, almost anyone else would do the same.[/p][/quote]Sooner football take a nose dive financially the better. Players wages and agents are bankrupting clubs up and down this country, because of that I'm really starting to hate football. Would rather go and watch non league football if I am honest with you. I have been a Brighton supporter all my life.[/p][/quote]MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL - so the saying goes.
It could well see the END of football as we have known and loved it in this country for the last 100 years. It probably already has - if Brighton's experience is anything to go by.
GONE IS THE LOYALTY OF PLAYERS like Tom Finney, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore and many other one-club players in yesteryear.
Now we have MONEY-GRABBING (GRABAN!) PLAYERS ASSISTED BY THEIR MONEY-GRABBING AGENTS who milk clubs of their hard-earned cash.
WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS? THE FOOTBALL FAN OF COURSE - AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE PREMIER LEAGUE SPONSORS LIKE SKY.
GONE - is the friendly, homely football club - instead we have the SUCCESS-HUNGRY appetite of chairmen WHO SACK MANAGERS LIKE THEY WERE YESTERDAYS RUBBISH (I don't include Tony Bloom in this respect).
Fans have to PAY THROUGH THE NOSE to watch mediocre football, and referees who make glaring mistakes every game being conned by players diving, shirt-tugging ,cheating - so that they miss the blatant trips in the penalty area - and book innocent players for diving when they didn't, handballs given for unintentional contact etc etc etc. All very frustrating for us fans to watch.
How can Championship clubs and below survive this Premiership monopoly of obscene transfer fees, wages, TV money, parachute payments etc??????? Small clubs like Burnley, Hull and Swansea are rare - surviving this circus by astute management and transfer dealings. The majority will slide back down and never challenge the top 6.
The premiership is now 2 divisions in one. The BIG PLAYERS and the SMALL FRY. Saints were top of the SMALL FRY and the rest of the teams were just vying with each other to stay out of the bottom 3.
WE WILL SOON HAVE A PREMIERSHIP OF 10 TEAMS.
The rest of the Football league will then be a separate entity - with entry to the Premiership based not just on promotion - but on the capacity of the club (fanbase and financial stability - a bit like Conference teams being accepted into the football league).
IMHO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY IN DANGER OF IMPLODING - WRECKED BY EXCESSIVE WAGES AND TRANSFER FEES
.[/p][/quote]Tell us something new.
This is beside the point, and that is, Brighton's penney pinching and inept transfer policy (burke) is to blame for not getting ward and grabban, but they and both poor players so blessing in disguise.ringtone

The saddest thing is that due to transfer inactivity during the summer, we are now putting ourselves in a position where we might end up paying over the top in transfer fees, clubs will know we are desperate for players, either that or we'll end up accepting players who aren't up to the standard we require, I do hope I'm wrong though.

The saddest thing is that due to transfer inactivity during the summer, we are now putting ourselves in a position where we might end up paying over the top in transfer fees, clubs will know we are desperate for players, either that or we'll end up accepting players who aren't up to the standard we require, I do hope I'm wrong though.Alan Duffy

the taffster wrote:
All I can say is the board couldn't have been that impressed with him last season otherwise they would have tied him down in may....if you **** around this is what happens....I would urge hypia to go asap...and I would ask bloom to get rid of Burke and barber...until he does I won't be going and I would hope other fans will follow suit...if you vote with your feet bloom will have to act...

Bye!

[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote:
All I can say is the board couldn't have been that impressed with him last season otherwise they would have tied him down in may....if you **** around this is what happens....I would urge hypia to go asap...and I would ask bloom to get rid of Burke and barber...until he does I won't be going and I would hope other fans will follow suit...if you vote with your feet bloom will have to act...[/p][/quote]Bye!Captain Haddock

Couldn't agree more but if Ward doesn't want to join us then good riddance.
I really only want players who positively want to play for BHA.
It seems footballers and ex-footballers agree things one moment and do the opposite the next. First Lee now Ward. Shows a lot of gratitude for helping to revive his career.
I suspect Ward's agent is behind this but wonder if our recruitment department has mucked things up (again ?). Echoes of the Grabban saga - it's beginning to become a bit of a trend.
SH must be both gutted and not very impressed and rather let down. If I were SH I would be having a very serious chat with TB about the Albion's recruitment department. As it turns out by pursuing Ward we have wasted about 7 weeks as far as acquiring a first choice LB is concerned and now we only have 18 days to do so !
In trying to be positive I hope we move quickly for someone else , someone who turns out to be a better (and younger) option than Ward.

Absolutely. Sign Robinson from Liverpool and no problem but this isn't looking good at all so far.

We STILL need 4/5 players (first teamers). Time is ticking fast. Am hearing things are not all well (NOT soecifically Sami btw).

While I'm very happy with Stockdale and satisfied with the potential usefulness of the other recruits so far, the summer overall has been unsuccessful, frustrating and worrying. I'm not one to complain unduly so could be indicative of a sea change in opinions from fans...the tide could be about to seriously turn!!!

First class signings are now urgently required and I'm not sure the board are focused as one.

[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Alan Duffy[/bold] wrote:
Really not happy with this news![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more but if Ward doesn't want to join us then good riddance.
I really only want players who positively want to play for BHA.
It seems footballers and ex-footballers agree things one moment and do the opposite the next. First Lee now Ward. Shows a lot of gratitude for helping to revive his career.
I suspect Ward's agent is behind this but wonder if our recruitment department has mucked things up (again ?). Echoes of the Grabban saga - it's beginning to become a bit of a trend.
SH must be both gutted and not very impressed and rather let down. If I were SH I would be having a very serious chat with TB about the Albion's recruitment department. As it turns out by pursuing Ward we have wasted about 7 weeks as far as acquiring a first choice LB is concerned and now we only have 18 days to do so !
In trying to be positive I hope we move quickly for someone else , someone who turns out to be a better (and younger) option than Ward.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Sign Robinson from Liverpool and no problem but this isn't looking good at all so far.
We STILL need 4/5 players (first teamers). Time is ticking fast. Am hearing things are not all well (NOT soecifically Sami btw).
While I'm very happy with Stockdale and satisfied with the potential usefulness of the other recruits so far, the summer overall has been unsuccessful, frustrating and worrying. I'm not one to complain unduly so could be indicative of a sea change in opinions from fans...the tide could be about to seriously turn!!!
First class signings are now urgently required and I'm not sure the board are focused as one.Captain Haddock

Seagulls26 wrote:
See my comment on MR NAYLOR has been taken off!!
I'll say it again go talk about some speedway rather than these stories that never materialise.

When the story broke earlier today on various media Kenny Jackett the Wolves manager was quoted as saying that the clubs had agreed terms and that it was 'down to Brighton and the player (Ward)' to finalise things
I don't think you can blame Naylor for reporting something that looked as if it was going to happen as evidenced by Jackett's remarks. Naylor's story had substance. Give the guy a break in this instance.

Indeed. Seagulls26, I'd imagine The Argus pulled your comment because you didn't just criticise him but used a mildly offensive term.

[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls26[/bold] wrote:
See my comment on MR NAYLOR has been taken off!!
I'll say it again go talk about some speedway rather than these stories that never materialise.[/p][/quote]When the story broke earlier today on various media Kenny Jackett the Wolves manager was quoted as saying that the clubs had agreed terms and that it was 'down to Brighton and the player (Ward)' to finalise things
I don't think you can blame Naylor for reporting something that looked as if it was going to happen as evidenced by Jackett's remarks. Naylor's story had substance. Give the guy a break in this instance.[/p][/quote]Indeed. Seagulls26, I'd imagine The Argus pulled your comment because you didn't just criticise him but used a mildly offensive term.Captain Haddock

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Sorry cannot agree in any way. Ward has been on our radar all summer. He stated he wanted to come back and we played jeopardy with him. We should have signed up a primary target when we were in the driving seat.

No evidence for your version. Just hearsay from hopeful Albion fans. Ward is not old for a LB, was virtually a free agent with Wolves wanting rid and so Ward & his agent held all the cards. Why should've he have been in a rush in May, June & July to sign for any Championship side, when he held all the aces.

Ward has just gone from a PL contract /pay packet with Wolves (with an irrelevant intertude at the Albion where Wolves/BHA ensured his total pay didn't dip), to another PL contract/pay packet at Burnley.

If you don't believe that the differences in wages between the divisions are vast (now 4x higher), check well respected web documents.

Ward bidded his time, kept quiet, then Burnley stepped in to stitch up the Albion at the last minute. This morning, Ward, his agent, financial advisors, wife and Sean Dyche will all be smiling.

[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Sorry cannot agree in any way. Ward has been on our radar all summer. He stated he wanted to come back and we played jeopardy with him. We should have signed up a primary target when we were in the driving seat.[/p][/quote]No evidence for your version. Just hearsay from hopeful Albion fans. Ward is not old for a LB, was virtually a free agent with Wolves wanting rid and so Ward & his agent held all the cards. Why should've he have been in a rush in May, June & July to sign for any Championship side, when he held all the aces.
Ward has just gone from a PL contract /pay packet with Wolves (with an irrelevant intertude at the Albion where Wolves/BHA ensured his total pay didn't dip), to another PL contract/pay packet at Burnley.
If you don't believe that the differences in wages between the divisions are vast (now 4x higher), check well respected web documents.
Ward bidded his time, kept quiet, then Burnley stepped in to stitch up the Albion at the last minute. This morning, Ward, his agent, financial advisors, wife and Sean Dyche will all be smiling.Withdean-er

London Dave wrote:
Sorry but ambitious players will not want to come to a club which sells its best players and looks (or is) lacking in ambition in the short term. I stress short term.

The club has a medium to longer term plan, with the infrastructure in place etc. But players think much shorter term. The better players are going to want to see a realistic shot a promotion. And we are selling all our best players! End of...

Money is more important than ambition for the vast majority of players. Burnley offered more money because they can afford to.

[quote][p][bold]London Dave[/bold] wrote:
Sorry but ambitious players will not want to come to a club which sells its best players and looks (or is) lacking in ambition in the short term. I stress short term.
The club has a medium to longer term plan, with the infrastructure in place etc. But players think much shorter term. The better players are going to want to see a realistic shot a promotion. And we are selling all our best players! End of...[/p][/quote]Money is more important than ambition for the vast majority of players. Burnley offered more money because they can afford to.s_james

Apologies as I think this may upset a person or two but why do all the complainants here take a step back and look at the bigger picture!

Not that many years ago the Albions future was hugely doubtful and the finances non-existent... not even a proper ground to play on but Withdean!

Then along comes a highly professional BUSINESSMAN who managed. by using his guile, knowledge and of course his own money to provide a magnificent stadium and lift the team into the Championship (no mean deal) but more importantly, wants to maintain this status with wise stewardship of the Football Club Business within the realms of the set down regulations!

Is it not right that the club showed losses of over £7 Million last season? and so this has to be rectified ... called balancing the books, just as another pretty reasonably run club (love them or loathe them) Arsenal have done ... and now they are starting to reap the benefits of their careful management over the past few years and have money to compete earned from the game and not some wealthy fickle investors who just love vying for attention and showing how much money they can waste...

OK... so I am not an avid fan of B&HA but I admire the way Mr. Bloom has taken a fallen club by the scruff of the neck and given it a wonderful foundation and future based upon sound fiscal know-how and planning!

You are so lucky to have this guy at the head of your club and you really should buy into what he is doing, not slate him as well run, debt free clubs will survive and prosper, those trying to buy success by mortgaging the future will fail...

Regardless, I truly believe that Brighton will end up doing well this season and that Sammi will prove his worth!

Apologies as I think this may upset a person or two but why do all the complainants here take a step back and look at the bigger picture!
Not that many years ago the Albions future was hugely doubtful and the finances non-existent... not even a proper ground to play on but Withdean!
Then along comes a highly professional BUSINESSMAN who managed. by using his guile, knowledge and of course his own money to provide a magnificent stadium and lift the team into the Championship (no mean deal) but more importantly, wants to maintain this status with wise stewardship of the Football Club Business within the realms of the set down regulations!
Is it not right that the club showed losses of over £7 Million last season? and so this has to be rectified ... called balancing the books, just as another pretty reasonably run club (love them or loathe them) Arsenal have done ... and now they are starting to reap the benefits of their careful management over the past few years and have money to compete earned from the game and not some wealthy fickle investors who just love vying for attention and showing how much money they can waste...
OK... so I am not an avid fan of B&HA but I admire the way Mr. Bloom has taken a fallen club by the scruff of the neck and given it a wonderful foundation and future based upon sound fiscal know-how and planning!
You are so lucky to have this guy at the head of your club and you really should buy into what he is doing, not slate him as well run, debt free clubs will survive and prosper, those trying to buy success by mortgaging the future will fail...
Regardless, I truly believe that Brighton will end up doing well this season and that Sammi will prove his worth!makoshark

JoeBlow wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.

Alex almond has a better plan b and he hasn't got a clue!

[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote:
The simple fact is that the club did everything right, but a Premiership club muscled in on the deal. Can't do anything about that. It's annoying but that's life. On to plan B no doubt.[/p][/quote]Alex almond has a better plan b and he hasn't got a clue!cybergu11y

Vince wrote:
Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.

Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of &quot;ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.

We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.

Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.

We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.

It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.

UTA

'Tony Bloom is not stupid'.......You mean it's an act?

You mean getting ready for selling Albion

[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote:
Always look on the bright side of life......Life's a piece of **** - our transfer targets are dropping like flies - there's no denying it - time is getting late..... but I'm sure there's a promising left back and striker in Albania Division 8 (Well Conference or even Ryman league) ! After all where did we get Peter Ward from? Yes the Conference - and he was the best striker we have ever had.
Seriously, the only way for the Albion to get to the Premiership is the way Burnley have done. Build a team of "ordinary" stars and then find an Ings / Vokes partnership to rip teams apart. Our best bet is to develop a real team ethic - a harmonious dressing room - without any real stars, finishing lower mid-table - and then the following season take the Division by storm - resisting all attempts to steal any of our players.
We have succumbed to the temptation to cash in on our star players (They are unsettled here... they want to play in the Premiership etc etc).
Ings was happy at Burnley - so they MADE SURE they kept him. Ulloa was happy at the Albion and we could have kept him. But once we started on that road - all the other players start to think - this is a sinking ship - we will not reach the Premiership now - and they become restless too.
Watford - have insisted on nothing less than £10m for Troy Deeney and they have frightened off potential buyers, and with Vydra and Forestieri they must stand as good a chance as anyone of making the top 2 this season.
We made the mistake of failing to buy our transfer targets BEFORE we sold our star players.
It's not irredeemable- we can develop stars from within our Academy - but we need to keep hold of them in order to develop that spirit of togetherness - the family spirit that Burnley developed. It will take time... at least another 5 years probably. Our supporters have been spoilt by the success of the Poyet era. Now is the harsh reality. Supporters need to keep the faith and stay loyal. With just a fraction of the spirit the fans displayed in the days of Archer and Bellotti - we will rise again. Tony Bloom is not stupid - he knows the score. He may even have learnt some harsh lessons himself - but he will emerge all the stronger for it.
UTA[/p][/quote]'Tony Bloom is not stupid'.......You mean it's an act?[/p][/quote]You mean getting ready for selling Albiontinker111

Peppers I wrote:
I think most fans are now realising that we are Incompetent BURKES.

Club are and sadly fan's for being sucked in Club come to think of it Maybe something else going on ????SELL OUT ??

[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote:
I think most fans are now realising that we are Incompetent BURKES.[/p][/quote]Club are and sadly fan's for being sucked in Club come to think of it Maybe something else going on ????SELL OUT ??tinker111