So Shin is stating the UC was too powerful and wanted to control the server but his proposal is to add the Emperors to this alliance? What did the Emporers want out of this, corner territory in the northwest only after an alliance was struck.

So which way is it Shin, No alliance of big leagues unless you are in it?

What of your Unforgiven family, no place at the table for them, no voting rights?

No ganging up on small leagues unless you say it is ok since they touched a beacon?

The server has to ask you if they can have a beacon and prove themselves worthy?

You admitted towork with the UC until it created friction then you back out give the beacons to KT and say it was our plan?

We can't help any ally of the Emporers unless it has your approval?

It seems as though you want to control the server and have used credit cards to secure your place at the table, you say you have toppled the UC out of righteousness only to try and create another in which you are a part?

You mention that we had some players move to Destiny but you left out most of Anarchy leadership moving to Emporers and a few others I am sure as well.

You try to get your allies to talk to other leagues on your behalf to get them to use thier debuffs on KoK which might drag them into this war with no concern for their league just losing less of your credit card army.

You have the Ungorgiven league give up their flag to you to make you stronger, again cheating the game and competition.

Yes we know of your underhanded dealings to bring in others behinds the scenes.

So in conclusion you dropped all your beacons and made a bargain with another league to cheat the fortress upgrade process by trading upgrades on empty fortress hits with IRC II all to create what it was you were trying to destroy?

Did I hear correctly that you actually have a league funded paypal account to buy armies for individual players, is that cheating too?

You say beacons should be off limits in this new alliance is this why you dropped yours only to hit ours?

You speak of honor but I see none n your actions and even less in the fact you feel you need to post this to wash your hands of the blood you spill to try and control this server and have it bend to your will

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

How have we spent more? We play smarter, we don't kill all of our troops just to place for tournaments. WE decide when we will go for top ranking in a tournament then we will work cohesively to do so. We don't need to do this every week to make a point and feed Plarium's pockets with our hard earned cash. Playing smart and PAYING to play are two different things. I don't deny spending money but I choose how much and when I don't allow my ego to make that decision for me.

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

What are you babbling on about?..UC has all its Offence intact, of course it does as they never use it!!

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

What are you babbling on about?..UC has all its Offence intact, of course it does as they never use it!!

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

What are you babbling on about?..UC has all its Offence intact, of course it does as they never use it!!

I guess you were sleeping last night when we dropped 12 beacons?

No I see that but according to all you lot at Destiny hitting beacons with nothing in them is called cowardice. So we hit edge beacons and corner beacons and you call us cowards. You hit beacons Balar could have taken and you give it large.. Wait a min I cant stop laughing!!!! ROFLMAO!!

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

What are you babbling on about?..UC has all its Offence intact, of course it does as they never use it!!

I guess you were sleeping last night when we dropped 12 beacons?

No I see that but according to all you lot at Destiny hitting beacons with nothing in them is called cowardice. So we hit edge beacons and corner beacons and you call us cowards. You hit beacons Balar could have taken and you give it large.. Wait a min I cant stop laughing!!!! ROFLMAO!!

Its funny how you guys come with credit card excuses, like none of you spending. Your league/alliance is bigger than solo emperors and you have spent way more, just not showing yet.

Coined a 900m hammer between 3 players. Its about $50k of spending (and that is assuming the money was spent in the most efficient manner which I suspect isn't the case).

With that size league strike the leagues they are hitting have to push defence into stacked beacons. The way the siege mechanic if you let that hammer hit small defence it will kill the def with just minimal losses to the hammer (overwhelming battles work very much in your favour).

So the coiner hammer forces the UC leagues to move defence into a smaller number of stacked beacons. I don't think Emps realised this when they started. I don't think anyone in Emps understands the siege mechanics to have understood this strategic reaction to the coined hammer. But it is exactly what happened in the KT war to counter Roanne's coining.

Either way Emps had fun going round all the undefended inside beacons, killing the inactives that had been their only defence for the month leading up to the attacks (yes the UC knew Emps were coming. You dont get to be the best w/o the best spy network).

Emps eventually hit 2 properly defended KoK beacons, lost 15% of the hammer across the two fights and promptly stopped attacking.

So now we are at a statemate. Emps has dropped all its beacons. It can never have a decent map territory because it has about 10bn offence ready to pulverise it. it has played it's trump card but if it plays that hammer card again in 2/3 beacons time the hammer will be dead and ineffective unless another $50k or so was spent). At that point Emps will be a non entity league.

So Emps are saving the hammer so at least they can deny the UC leagues from fanning out and reclaiming their beacon territory.

For now impass. Emps have turned to negotiations which I think Fray has plastered all over the forum for ppl to see above. Not really cool but I guess when the opposition are putting themselves out there as fighting a "holy war" on behalf of the server it probably does deserve for the private convos to come out showing that they actually wanted to be part of a super alliance to control the edge and the rankings.

As well as negotiations Emps have turned to a propaganda war, no doubt trying to get people to join their side as they now know they can only get close to winning the war they started if other people's troops die for them. The red beacon spam looks pretty impressive to the uninitiated so this might be quite successful (but as a reader of this post you will know the war has hardly started with both sides off/def hardly scratched yet).

UC has ALL its offence entact (+ 3 weeks growth). It is down about 200m active defence which net of growth across 6 highly actives leagues probably puts it close to where it started the war.

For now the beacon map sucks and it will do until the Emps hammer is downed. After that the major leagues will go about rebuilding their beacon territory.

What are you babbling on about?..UC has all its Offence intact, of course it does as they never use it!!

I guess you were sleeping last night when we dropped 12 beacons?

No I see that but according to all you lot at Destiny hitting beacons with nothing in them is called cowardice. So we hit edge beacons and corner beacons and you call us cowards. You hit beacons Balar could have taken and you give it large.. Wait a min I cant stop laughing!!!! ROFLMAO!!

You're right, that's why 8 out of the top 10 weekly offense rankings are held by destiny members. They got all those points by hitting empty beacons.

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Balur hits beacons three times a day yet never took even one, your math seems off. So now what, you dropped beacons we dropped beacons, the only difference is you dropped all yours to let the rest of the Ungorgiven family out hanging. You say you don't want beacons from one side of your mouth while the other negotiates an alliance were we don't touch each others beacons, why would that be needed if you had none to hit or have you changed your tune mid war to protect your defense while you use your family as a shield. BRAVO