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Re: What should we do about Iraq?

Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13

here is an idea: suppose we let ISIS take down the al-maliki regime? perhaps ISIS's allies will stop supporting ISIS and start breaking up into factions?

I was watching the News on this tonight and what a mess. We once supported Saddam against Iran, then we or he turned on us. Now we support the Shiites against the Sunni ISIL but we're for the ones that fight against Syria and Assad. We're not doing anything because we don't know if we should fart or fall down.

Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Re: What should we do about Iraq?

Originally Posted by grip

I was watching the News on this tonight and what a mess. We once supported Saddam against Iran, then we or he turned on us. Now we support the Shiites against the Sunni ISIL but we're for the ones that fight against Syria and Assad. We're not doing anything because we don't know if we should fart or fall down.

ISIS's success has been due to collaboration with ex-baathist officials and sunni tribesmen, i do not think isis can sustain that alliance long if it does conquer the Maliki regime.

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Re: What should we do about Iraq?

ISIS's success has been due to collaboration with ex-baathist officials and sunni tribesmen, i do not think isis can sustain that alliance long if it does conquer the Maliki regime.

They're talking about seriously removing Maliki anyway. It appears that ISIS might hold their territory for awhile, but you maybe right about their future success being tied into more land grabbing for resources and gov't type control.

Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Re: What should we do about Iraq?

Originally Posted by grip

They're talking about seriously removing Maliki anyway. It appears that ISIS might hold their territory for awhile, but you maybe right about their future success being tied into more land grabbing for resources and gov't type control.

maybe congress can satisfy the war-mongers by issuing a letter of marque against the ISIS.

"If you can't stand the way this place is, Take yourself to higher places!"
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Re: What should we do about Iraq?

Originally Posted by grip

Not only this but what if ISIS takes over Baghdad and the southern oil fields, and drives oil prices above $150 a barrel? What if the whole region blows up into a multinational conflict, involving Saudi Arabia and restricting oil thru the Persian Gulf? We will look back then as we pay $10+ a gallon at the pump and say, "gee, guess we should've done something."

I'm afraid we have to finish what WE started. We wanted to remove all the dictators (Saddam, Gaddafi, Mubarak, Assad) and spread democracy, now we have the results of our nation building.

Fair question. But, the next logical question is: Can we finish what we started?

IMO, no, I don't think we can. I don't think we ever could. I have heard some say that if we don't get involved then the soldiers who have died thus far died in vain. I think they died in vain anyway, and adding another 1000 deaths would only increase the vainness*.

Re: What should we do about Iraq?

Originally Posted by radcen

Fair question. But, the next logical question is: Can we finish what we started?

IMO, no, I don't think we can. I don't think we ever could. I have heard some say that if we don't get involved then the soldiers who have died thus far died in vain. I think they died in vain anyway, and adding another 1000 deaths would only increase the vainness*.

I'm not sure if we can either, because we can't even identify who we need to fight or remove. Vanity is the word you're looking for and we sure do suffer it.

Though if oil markets get too far out of control because of regional conflict and instability, we may feel compelled to act. Whether it does any good, only time would tell and how they approach it the second go round.

Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."