Monday, December 03, 2018

The fiery Yellow Vest protests that rage on across France have more to do with the “incompetent,” EU-dependent government policy than the rising gas prices, a French political commentator told RT. While many protesters vent their anger at President Emmanuel Macron, who took an unpopular decision to raise taxes and increase prices on fuel and other commodities, “they don’t realize the problem is much deeper and has to do with the general policy of the European Union.”

“The revolt is not just about the gas prices, it’s a general revolt against the policy of the government,” Jean Bricmont, a French writer and political commentator, told RT. There’s not much that French authorities could do to relieve people’s worries and defuse tensions, he said, as Paris “has to obey the orders from the European Commission.”

On the back of violent rallies, President Emmanuel Macron said he will not back down on his controversial economic policy. “We won't change course. We are certain of that,” government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux has said, hinting that Paris was considering a state of emergency over the protests.

“I think [Macron] doesn’t realize the depth of the crisis … there’s not much he can do about it,” Bricmont speculated. “He’s not a statesman, he’s a banker, he’s been put in that position and thinks that he has solution to everything in his head. I think he’s extremely arrogant, extremely self-centered, extremely detached from reality.”

In the meantime, officials around Macron are “incompetent,” Bricmont added, “I’m really scared for France.”

Scared for France? This nationalist resistance to rule by traitorous satraps of the EU is exactly what France needs, only a lot more of it. The protests mean there is still hope for the nation of France in the long term.

Did not have to go to RT, as this was out on the chans at least 2 days before, showing the truth to this. RT is just the extra proof. The violence is just the usual anarchists/lefties out there to get the Narrative back. Of course, we have on here, a couple of people twisting things toward the MSM talking points constantly too.

Any body so stupid that they do not believe the MAGA movement and Trump's people are not connected to this are either idiots or shills, but most likely idiots.

Dreher extensively quotes a great article about the emerging French Catholic right https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/new-french-right-mark-lilla-catholic/ (the original is unfortunately behind a paywall):

"Continental conservatism going back to the nineteenth century has always rested on an organic conception of society. It sees Europe as a single Christian civilization composed of different nations with distinct languages and customs. These nations are composed of families, which are organisms, too, with differing but complementary roles and duties for mothers, fathers, and children.

"Most of these young French conservatives’ arguments presume this organic conception. Why do they consider the European Union a danger? Because it rejects the cultural- religious foundation of Europe and tries to found it instead on the economic self-interest of individuals. To make matters worse, they suggest, the EU has encouraged the immigration of people from a different and incompatible civilization (Islam), stretching old bonds even further."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/03/france-fuel-protests-heres-whats-happening-and-why-it-matters.htmlThe French protests seem to be inspiring others in Europe with copycat riots in Belgium this weekend... told CNBC that the disgruntlement of protesters in France could be felt elsewhere in Europe.

"I guess what's specific to this movement is that it is relatively apolitical, so they (the protesters) are not from just one party on the left or right. They're white, middle-class people that are squeezed by the welfare state. They pay a lot of taxes but they don't get a lot of benefits in return," she told CNBC's Julianna Tatelbaum in Paris.

It might be too late to save the USA if you restrict yourself to "above the board" tactics.If the populist fervor in the USA emboldens the masses to drive out the non-Americans by any means necessary, we could have the country back.

It isn't too late for America, it will just take a bit longer - until the left abandons the rest of pretense for fairness. With Trump packing the courts, and in the Presidency, they won't get what they want, even democratically.

It is still interesting that I have a few tone deaf articles, a recent one complaining Facebook is enabling the Yellow Vests - totally missing any thought or explanation that their grievances might be valid.

Remember how they responded to their funded and managed Black Lies Matter riots? but then Proud Cuck Boys is a terrorist gang?

What would happen if all major traitors, EneMedia, jewish legal terrorism orgs - ADL, SPLC, etc., invasion abetters, and other subversive agitators were all to violently protested at once? Not riots or looting, but focused extreme pressure on specific targets with fitting propaganda.

What is the best way and time to get rid of the people who are working to destroy America?

I'm sure the Defense Ministers of Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands and Germany will get right on it... as soon as each one gets here nails done, gets a new perm, and finds just the right new outfit to wear while spending the next week or so combing through all of the most exclusive women's clothing stores... and then another 2 days for everything to be tailored, because none of them could possibly be caught dead wearing something off the rack... and one additional 2-3 days for delivery through military liaison channels.They need to remember their priorities -- after all, once they start taking action, reporting crews with cameras and even smart-phones might show up.

Reading various commentators who mightn't be too familiar with the nuances of French culture, be wary of projecting too much imagination on the situation. This may be an awakening and a sign of something deeper than tax hikes, but do not equate it with Canadians, Americans, British or Swedes doing the same thing in their respective countries. One thing I discovered in France and which French people will tell you, intense rioting is a way of life for nearly every demographic whether it's immigrants, Antifa, Far Right, Farmers Unions, Transport Unions etc. Relatively well cultured indigenous centrists have no problem getting involved. And these riots can happen in the more sleepy homogenous towns over some small regulatory change in a particular industry. Rioting is very normalised in French culture (main native white population) and has been for decades in a way that I've never seen anywhere else in the West. For example I got caught in a riot in 1997 in Laval, a picturesque, well-to-do town (no poverty, no unemployment, no immigrant community) pop 95,000. Farmers objected to a new regulation and started smashing and burning vehicles in the town's streets. The riot police were just as provocative, charging and joyfully beating anybody with batons and throwing tear gas canisters around for fun. I got back to my apartment and could observe the pattern. While the scene & chaos was frightening, you had a sense after a while both sides were just going through the motions; it was nothing they hadn't seen before. Charlottesville (with exception of woman being accidently killed) was less active than this. Yet it didn't get a mention on National news, and not even the regulation was deemed worthy of being reported on. There would be riots had France never joined the EU.

So, after all that, the rioting itself is not the unusual or shocking thing for any Frenchman, be he elite or not; the sign of the revolution being awakened will be after the riots if all of these various groups simply down tools and choose to be inactive for a long period of time so as to shut down the running of the country. This is the exciting development and seems a possibility.

If those wishing freedom in the USA do not succeed at secession for a part of the USA, Texas and Oklahoma for example, then the only other outcome is subjugation of one side.

The Left is all for subjugation of the right. I don't think they would completely exterminate the lives of all non-Leftists because they love to have a jar of bees around that they can thump from time to time. However, harsh subjugation is their goal.

I do not believe that most Libertarians or other centrist or right of center peoples want, nor seek to subjugate the Left because we are still human beings.

However, fear not. Any "peacekeepers" not wearing the black/red/gold tricolor of Germany will probably join the French soldiers and Paris Police in their support of the Yellow Jackets. Especially any troops sent from Norway or Sweden.

Suddenly, ``cheese eating surrender monkey'' looks like a step up from ``American.''

Let's not start hanging medals on them yet. They haven't actually achieved anything, and France has a history of the violent replacement of bad government with absolutely terrible ones. There's no De Gaulle in sight.

Besides, they started burning things down after winning the World Cup too.

The French are poseurs. They won't riot to prevent their country being given to some rag heads, but they will kvetch if the cost of their expresso and Gitanes go up. Some compromise will be reached, the frogs will pat themselves on the back, then go back to their berets and accordion music in their cafes, endlessly talking about how wonderfully enlightened they are.

This cultural norm is why Macron isn't freaking out & is complacent enough to be arrogant. To him and political class, unlike other governments, this is not a sign of an emergency where action needs to be taken. However, what he won't be mentally prepared for is the citizenry standing still and the consequent paralysis of the system. The exasperation will be in the waiting game, not in the witnessing of violence.

Italy's military history is much less glorious than France's yet no one calls them "surrender monkeys". Smears directed at the French people are likely just another nasty part of politics as are the Russia smears.

James wrote:The French are poseurs. They won't riot to prevent their country being given to some rag heads, but they will kvetch if the cost of their expresso and Gitanes go up. Some compromise will be reached, the frogs will pat themselves on the back, then go back to their berets and accordion music in their cafes, endlessly talking about how wonderfully enlightened they are.

You seem to forget that the French right staged the largest protest in the country's history after gay marriage was legalized--and they don't consider the issue settled. Unlike American conservatives, who rushed to publish editorials on the conservative case for gay marriage.

@32 VOX party exists since 2013. They started with a lot of cuckservative leaders, two years ago, they purged them from the party along the more liberals, and the more nationalists took control of the party.

The last year have been gaining atention due to the oposition to gender ideology, regional separatism and mass immigration. They are also anti abortion and christians.

We were expected a good result. But going from 18K votes to almost 400K, and from 0 to 12 regional representatives in Andalucía, took even the most optimists like me by surprise.

Next year come the rest of regional elections and European Parliament ones. If a Socialist feud like Andalucía got this great result, is going to be great to see them take Madrid and other conservative regions.

"The southern Spanish region of Andalusia, which has been dominated by the Socialist Party (PSOE) for the last 36 years, saw a historic shift in its political map on Sunday at regional elections. The country’s most-populated region took a step toward the right with never-before-seen support for the extreme party Vox."

For the first time in many years I am starting to feel a faint glimmer of hope for my people. They're still alive, they haven't been turned into docile cattle and it looks like Macron isn't getting away with communication gimmicks, a couple committees and a 6-month moratorium on the embattled tax. He has displayed levels of autism I didn't dare hoping we was possessing, and the French public is now starting to see him as the elite puppet he always was. Journalists too are taking a big hit, antagonizing the protesters who have the support of an overwhelming majority of the population by sticking to their script of good elite lapdogs. Protesters are indeed surprisingly woke on the EU question. The movement is staying decentralized, hence resilient - and for good reason: these are the people who are not represented, who don't have lobbies speaking for them.

Still early to tell where it's leading and chances are it's all going to calm down by Christmas, but there are lots of positive signs in there. If they hold on during the festive season though... all bets are on the table.

concur #19. the French people have a long history and established culture of rioting in the streets of Paris. It must be something French. The US version was the Tea Party which had some large gatherings, all nice and they cleaned up after themselves and then allowed the cucks in the Republican party to neuter them.

I was in Lyon the other day. Our taxi driver was adamant that if the French were asked to vote In/Out on the EU today, they'd vote Out.

Seems partly absurd, as the EEC/EU appears to have been a huge net benefit to the French, but there we are. These are the same people demanding lower taxes AND an increase in the minimum wage. Go figure.

tuberman wrote:Anybody so stupid that they do not believe the MAGA movement and Trump's people are not connected to this are either idiots or shills, but most likely idiots.I've seen no evidence of this claim, how exactly is MAGA/Trump's-people connected here?I suppose you could make an argument that the blatant nationalism cheered on by MAGA could have been a morale-boosting/invigorating thing for nationalists in Europe to see... but even that seems an awful long stretch.

Colin Flaherty's baby momma wrote:The French protests seem to be inspiring others in Europe with copycat riots in Belgium this weekend... told CNBC that the disgruntlement of protesters in France could be felt elsewhere in Europe.

"I guess what's specific to this movement is that it is relatively apolitical, so they (the protesters) are not from just one party on the left or right. They're white, middle-class people that are squeezed by the welfare state. They pay a lot of taxes but they don't get a lot of benefits in return," she told CNBC's Julianna Tatelbaum in Paris.Interesting / thank you for sharing this.

Drew wrote:It might be too late to save the USA if you restrict yourself to "above the board" tactics.

If the populist fervor in the USA emboldens the masses to drive out the non-Americans by any means necessary, we could have the country back.The question isn't if there will be blood spilled, but where it's spilled, how much, and whose.

wahr01 wrote:We'd probably have something more effective than riots here in the states if q-tards were not "trusting the plan" that never seems to materialize and has not for 2 years.Perhaps. I can certainly see your point of view here: the "Trust the Plan" always sounded a bit too much like "it's ok to sit on your butt and not do anything" for me to be comfortable with. Though I can certainly appreciate that having a plan, a vision, is necessary as not having one is disastrous for morale.

As to "doing something", I've taken to praying regularly for the corruption in our government to be excised and punished, and also tried running for my State's US Senate seat.

We'd probably have something more effective than riots here in the states if q-tards were not "trusting the plan" that never seems to materialize and has not for 2 years.There is almost no overlap between "people who believe in Q" and "people who will riot"

I suppose you could make an argument that the blatant nationalism cheered on by MAGA could have been a morale-boosting/invigorating thing for nationalists in Europe to see... but even that seems an awful long stretch.

Especially since Trump isn't a nationalist by European standards. In Euroland, being a nationalist implicitly means being a white nationalist. Hence, we don't have 'white' nationalism, just as we don't have 'civic' nationalism. Only nationalism.

Duh-ave wrote:Italy's military history is much less glorious than France's yet no one calls them "surrender monkeys". Smears directed at the French people are likely just another nasty part of politics as are the Russia smears.

Republicans seem to be particularly prone to use the term "surrender monkeys" when describing the French, which is not only annoying and inaccurate but also ironic, given their own willingness to surrender before even the first shot has been fired.

No one describes the Poles as "surrender monkeys", or the Danes, or the Norge, or the Greeks, or the Czechs, or the Dutch, yet each one surrendered in a matter of days or weeks after being invaded by the same German war machine.

"There is almost no overlap between "people who believe in Q" and "people who will riot""

Snidely, I think that's the point he was making: people who are trusting the plan are sitting on their butts. I'm not sure what else we could be doing, since we're still in the awkward, too early to shoot stage.

Some howling for blood might help demoralize our enemies and help encourage Trump to actually act.

The British fled the battlefield in 1940, leaving the French to face the onslaught alone, and they were the ones who started the war. Nobody rags on them for that.

The Dunkirk evacuation included 215,000 British and 123,000 French troops, but no one mentions what happened to the French troops. Once out of Dunkirk and safely in England, they returned to France and rejoined the battle against the invading Germans. At the Fall of France, two million French troops went into captivity and became slave labor for the German war economy for the duration of the war.

Exactly. And not only in metropolitan France, but in the overseas departments as well. Later on, Taubira herself had to go, although that was partly because of her own stupidity. But it was partly b/c of la loi Taubira, make no mistake. The French are not poseurs, as one commenter here has it.

DonReynolds wrote:Republicans seem to be particularly prone to use the term "surrender monkeys" when describing the French, which is not only annoying and inaccurate but also ironic, given their own willingness to surrender before even the first shot has been fired.

When the French had military control in the middle east, they put up with far less than we do. I have it on good authority that the French would not hesitate to shoot Arab youths for throwing rocks. "Rocks today, grenades tomorrow."

The surrender monkey meme seems to come most recently from the Iraq War. Who were the monkeys in that deal?

@66My impression is that the surrender monkey-business started when the French decided they would manage their own defense rather than rely on American protection.

At the time, most all WWIII wargames involved US troops pulling out of Northern Europe and fighting a nuclear war there. The French built a nuclear strike force and made it clear that some of the missiles were aimed at Washington.

Of course, the French declining to participate in Gulf War II didn't help matters, but the meme is older than that.

This was was unwinnable, because the Vietnamese had a 1200 year history of battling armies of occupation. When do you think that tunnel network was built that allowed a person to go from the waterfront of Saigon harbor all the way to the Cambodian border while spending less than an hour above ground? Those tunnels were NOT built overnight. That system grew and evolved over at hundreds of years.

Frankly, it doesn't matter what we did. It is IMPOSSIBLE to win someone else's Civil War. The only reason Russia is supporting Assad is Syria is because Assad gives the Russian fleet a port which is both warm water AND not stuck on the Black Sea, and therefore easily trapped and destroyed in the Dardanelles by the Turks, who, for over 1000 years, have been Russia's most consistent enemy. See Turkish F-16s ambushing a Russian SU-24, in 2015, supposedly for "illegally overflying" a the tip of an irrelevent strip (about 1km wide) of land jutting into Syria, lasting all of 17 seconds (at most).

The Turks look for any and every way to screw with the Russians, and this has been going on since the fall of Constantinople

UK Daily Mail often has good video clips and photos of the France riots. E.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6454033/Riot-police-beat-lone-protester-shocking-video-Paris.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6449407/Fresh-violence-Paris-riot-police-use-tear-gas-batons.html

World events are making the short stories I wrote years ago about a global army representative of corrupt though well-meaning world government struggling with local annoyances obsolete. Which I accept gladly.

Where did I say the uprising is not popular? I DIDN'T SAY THAT. Quit (((niggling))), and taking what someone says out of context.

Obviously, it is very popular and spreading, and seems to have many firemen and police behind it. But... but a couple people (saying they are French, and part of what's happening) have shown up on the chans suggesting strongly that certain people were behind much of the violence, while the Narrative suggests all the Yellow Jackets are behind the violence. Your projection of MSM EU talking points is interesting.

SirHamster wrote:DonReynolds wrote:Republicans seem to be particularly prone to use the term "surrender monkeys" when describing the French, which is not only annoying and inaccurate but also ironic, given their own willingness to surrender before even the first shot has been fired.

Conservative projection.

I wish that were true. Paul Ryan learned how to be a weasel from John Boehner, who always promised to "fight to the death" months before surrendering before the issue even came to a vote. He was never willing to make an issue today, always going to die on that hill months later...but he never did. Ryan does not even bother to promise. That and Mitch McConnell is what passes for Republican Congressional leadership. Conservative projection? I wish it was.

"Obviously, it is very popular and spreading, and seems to have many firemen and police behind it. But... but a couple people (saying they are French, and part of what's happening) have shown up on the chans suggesting strongly that certain people were behind much of the violence, while the Narrative suggests all the Yellow Jackets are behind the violence. Your projection of MSM EU talking points is interesting. "

The use of agent provocateurs can really have only 3 outcomes:

1: Negligible effects

2: Provide the state with an early excuse to use police state tactics against peaceful people (typically the effect aimed for).

3: If not punished quickly enough, the entire mass becomes emboldened, and ratchets up the violence to achieve their goals (the tactic backfires).

The cops are taking off their helmets and dropping their shields. This means result 2 can't happen (I doubt that the white French Army is any more likely to combat white Frenchmen than the white French police officers). The only options remaining are #1 and #3. I'm leaning heavily towards #3 -- because France, and Paris specifically.

I think Trump, the flag officers, or NSA has something on McConnell -- he's improved greatly in the last year (although not nearly as much as Lindsay Graham). Maybe a deal was struck -- McConnell wouldn't get run out of town on a rail IF he agreed to play ball. Although he still bobbles quite a bit, at least he isn't letting the ball roll right between his legs anymore.

First, McConnell did not have full control of the Senate. He was always having to beg the quisling faction of the Senate Republicans for support. Ryan got more passed through the House than he gets credit for...everything died in the Senate.

Second, the Kavanaugh affair shocked the GOPe. Kavanaugh was a Republican SCOTUS nominee right out of Central Casting, a man with impeccable credentials and a spotless character. The Dems tried to lynch him. And I think that fact shocked even the quislings to the core.

Sadly I think that the USA is LEAST capable of doing the sorts of things that Italy, and potentially France, are doing. Europe was a collection of white ethnostates going back thousands of years. Heck there were supposedly even whiter people in Scotland before the Scots (Picts I think they were called). But the USA? We're stuck between "muh diversity" boomers and "muh reconquista" invaders. But not even on total malice. I have dealt with Puerto Ricans on both coasts who ask me why whites won't stand up for themselves and say that if whites don't stand up, or American-born in particular (that would include blacks as well) then we deserve to be "invaded".So I've dealt with these brown guys who want to take over but their lack of respect is based on our lack of self-respect. We might even have an accord if we were just as aggressive. They say whites/Americans have just as much every right to stand up as Hispanics have to take a country from stupid weak people. So they don't really align with this "everybody can be for their own except whites" thing but I have to explain that the breainwashing and guilt-tripping is real and the people who did that will be targeting the Hispanics when they feel their power is threatened. Occasional Cortex didn't get the speakership after all.

So any modelling of what happens in Europe as potential for what will happen in the USA is likely incorrect. As Matt Bracken says "It will be Rwanda times Bosnia" for a lot of places.

While I agree the protests are more than just about the taxes, the taxes are a big part of it. The taxes are there because of France's efforts to fight so-called climate change. And thus, the protests are an utter rejection of the entire notion of anthropomorphic climate change, a complete and utter hoax.