Let's discuss SLE

1. Able to make lasting relations
2. Protective. From an SLE friend "You can recognize an ESTP by his tribes. They have many groups loyal to them, like my crew for the last 12 years, my team in the office. Older ESTP’s, i.e. over 40 years old, also tend to have deeper meaningful relationships (Fe-Ni). We are protectors of the people in our tribe. The people under my wing have a lion at the gate.
I still feel responsible for people who worked in my team many years ago. If their current manager doesn’t treat them well, I will kick his ass. I see the same with two ESTP managers and I love to see how they operate!"
3. Like using humor more.
4. Strive to provide the highest quality in goods and service.
5. Work at something for a very long time. Work in science diligently. Dedicate to something they take pleasure in for a long time Ni.
6. Can be extremely frugal living on a skimpy means.
7. Humor, funny, even in subtle ways.
8. Sympathetic
9. Want to be LOVED so they are among the most sympathetic types.
10. Strong...consistently physically train at something "If we have fear it would be to be a coward.There were times when it would be much smarter to run away from danger but I tend to stay because running away would make me feel weak."
11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion
12. Positive-Silver lining kind of person

Last edited by Beautiful sky; 01-05-2019 at 05:04 PM.

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

An ennobling and attractive representation. Also, at least 90% snipes my best friend.

Sorry Y'all, we can't all have the best Dual

Wonderful!
Would you happen to have observations that you can add to my list? (Ever expanding)

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

Now, able to make lasting relationships, mostly only with people from their 'clan'...

Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.

11. Can make harsh or rude jokes that may offend sensitive Fi types like "I can make a cruel joke with my Fi blind-spot. Like at high-school a girl would ask me if I like dogs and I would say: yes, medium done with ketchup." AND "Or if they ask me why I don’t give money to a beggar, my Se-Ti responds by saying he should not beg but do something useful to make money. Not a joke but that’s just how I think." Fi finds this harsh because one should love and care for dogs and the homeless are in such a circumstance for various reasons and don't make fun of the unfortunate. have some compassion

This is really unrealistic. I would say something like, “The poor are systematically oppressed, but so am I.”

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

I have great examples of sle in ltr joe Biden, Gordon Ramsey

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

I didn’t say we couldn’t have ltr. My point is just that the wording of “make” good relations is questionable.

Post if you want though...

Well making lasting relationships has partly to do with acceptance of others. I find that sle can accept their kids for being different (example gay) because of the concept of the tribe.

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

I get that this is trying to be positive about your conflictor but idk.

Yes we can make positive lasting relations, if our Fe HA is good enough. But we don’t ever have good control over this per se, except post facto. I can’t really just fabricate good relations like strong ethical types can. If I have a good relationship with someone, it’s that I happen to have been put into a situation close together with them, we inherently get along and I (or they) haven’t messed it up yet.

I cannot speak for all SLEs, I guess I’m a more sensitive “harmonizing” type SLE, but when I get close to someone and let them in, it really takes a lot and I let them deep in to register them as part of my “clan” or whatever (really I think this stereotype is stupidly overblown just because of the image of team sports, and we’re mostly lone wolf independent type people at the core). I think about how to give people I care about objective positive benefit in their life, so that probably helps with keeping good relations.

I actually feel exactly the same way about lasting relations. This is probably a result of both LIE’s and SLE’s having 1D Fi and 2D Fe.

Beta ST would probably beat the shit out of their kids if they were to come out as gay unless they were the more liberal kind.

I really like SLEs for the most part. However, there may be some things that do matter. They don't really see this however and that tendency to be frugal is detestable.

I cannot find a concrete reason to dislike them, as I do with ILEs or even some SEEs. Maybe for some who are too concerned about the needs of their tribes?

I don't type by stereotypes. Notice I said "can be" instead of "are" I use "are" when I see a huge tendency...

Originally Posted by sbbds

Why must it be called “tribe” just because of Fe Se? Why can’t it just be the regular concept of family?

because tribes have certain camaraderie to them right? Certainly to them

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

On the explanation of the "tribe" because they are on other teams rather than just family, like sport team and office team.

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

Sometimes you remind me of this slender old LIE-looking lady I saw at my dentist’s office once. She chastised me for talking to my mom in a way she didn’t approve of, and I told her she should sit down so the dust wouldn’t fall out of her vagina.

Fi failure.

"A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
attitude acceptable to today's standards." - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism".
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"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

"You see, there are still faint glimmers of civilization left in this barbaric slaughterhouse that was once known as humanity. Indeed that's what we provide in our own modest, humble, insignificant... oh, fuck it."

"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

"You see, there are still faint glimmers of civilization left in this barbaric slaughterhouse that was once known as humanity. Indeed that's what we provide in our own modest, humble, insignificant... oh, fuck it."

"Let's discuss SLEs"
Let's not. We wouldn't want their Se to get pumped up even further now, would we?
Naturally, when they're discussed, only good things are left to be said about them.

Seriously now, most of them are great. They are less intimidating than you'd think, and more afraid of you than you are of them! Feed them plenty, take them on daily walks and keep them entertained through Fe-style fuckassery, and they'll curl up on your lap (menacingly).

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

Also I’m not trying to be positive . I’m a positivist type. I see the goodness first

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

"My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"

"Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest as long as I am living; you said I killed you—haunt me, then!... Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss, where I cannot find you!"

Ime, SLEs are sweet, almost saccharine. They're like polar bears that give hugs or something. They have a sense of duty towards the people they love. I kind of tend to see them as providers, in the same vein as LSIs... A whole lot of bravado, you have to realize the whole of the beta quadra is somewhat theatrical and not just EIEs. They like dramatic displays of emotion and like being in an emotionally charged environment.

Betas in general tend to have a "fuck the system" mentality and you see this in SLEs most overtly. I don't necessarily mean rioting in the street or something, more like doing things in an unconventional way. Alphas are like that too, but Betas tend to be more "in your face" about it.

The ones I know are real gentlemen/ladies and they are surprisingly submissive as well. My brother is an SLE and he never says "no" to any of my whims. I've seen him accompany me and look bored to death, but he never says no.

Respect is also a big deal, give and take respect, but you also need to be able to command respect. This is more for LSIs, I think (not sure). They're aware of power dynamics and so can easily become a protector of the weak. Aristocratic? Yes. Snobbish? No. As for the whole `clan` thing... it's probably true? It's more like wanting to be in a place where I get to make all the rules, where everyone knows their place, where I'm respected and my worth is acknowledged, etc. Betas tend to like hierarchical systems. I think Deltas are also very clan-ish in that sense? (not sure)

Very accurate. People have compared me to a (polar) bear many times in IRL, have called me soft, soft-hearted, etc. Thanks very much for this! Lol

Your welcome^^

I think SLE is one of the most misconstrued types out there... they're painted as brutes, like Gaston from 'The Beauty and The Beast.' I think PoLR Fi hits SLE harder than ILEs. Because Betas want to command respect, not being respected would be a huge deal. SLE tend to minimize Fi. A good example of PoLR Fi in a Bad SLE is like Charlie Sheen in 'Two and A Half Men.' There's a scene where his therapist asks him to describe his feelings for his mother, his brother and his nephew. His response is "Pissed off, pissed off and sad." Throughout the show it is implied that his mother has greatly damaged him to a point where he can't have normal relations with a woman.

But that's also the thing... because of PoLR Fi, he doesn't care to admit that he does have damaged relationships with people. I think this is why IxE come off as kind of socially awkward. Because they don't care to check up on this. With SLE's forceful Se approach, it comes off as more heavy handed. This doesn't mean immorality... Charlie is portrayed as being downright naive sometimes, and it's shown there are worse people in the world than him. He has a desire to do good as well, even through his issues. He's not a good representative of the type for sure, but he does show the vulnerable side of SLE...

I had someone tell me they wanted to be SLE because SLE are badass... they wouldn't know the mountain of duty and responsibility that would come from that. I like to think the IEIs run the Beta quadra secretly... SLE's dual is the IEI, not a very practical or driven type. So you would imagine they would have the skills to compensate for that.

"My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"

"Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest as long as I am living; you said I killed you—haunt me, then!... Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss, where I cannot find you!"

The ethical core of the Beta quadra is the IEI. The SLE has the will power and strength to shape the world in the image of the IEIs vision. It is a very 'world builder' kind of type... like Atlas supporting the weight of the world on his shoulders. I am biased lol and I may be romanticizing it xD

"My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods: time will change it, I'm well aware, as winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind"

"Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest as long as I am living; you said I killed you—haunt me, then!... Be with me always—take any form—drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss, where I cannot find you!"

I think SLE is one of the most misconstrued types out there... they're painted as brutes, like Gaston from 'The Beauty and The Beast.' I think PoLR Fi hits SLE harder than ILEs. Because Betas want to command respect, not being respected would be a huge deal. SLE tend to minimize Fi. A good example of PoLR Fi in a Bad SLE is like Charlie Sheen in 'Two and A Half Men.' There's a scene where his therapist asks him to describe his feelings for his mother, his brother and his nephew. His response is "Pissed off, pissed off and sad." Throughout the show it is implied that his mother has greatly damaged him to a point where he can't have normal relations with a woman.

But that's also the thing... because of PoLR Fi, he doesn't care to admit that he does have damaged relationships with people. I think this is why IxE come off as kind of socially awkward. Because they don't care to check up on this. With SLE's forceful Se approach, it comes off as more heavy handed. This doesn't mean immorality... Charlie is portrayed as being downright naive sometimes, and it's shown there are worse people in the world than him. He has a desire to do good as well, even through his issues. He's not a good representative of the type for sure, but he does show the vulnerable side of SLE...

I had someone tell me they wanted to be SLE because SLE are badass... they wouldn't know the mountain of duty and responsibility that would come from that. I like to think the IEIs run the Beta quadra secretly... SLE's dual is the IEI, not a very practical or driven type. So you would imagine they would have the skills to compensate for that.

I think Gaston is probably a messed up LSE. The Beast is closer for SLE (a misunderstood hairy beast).

Charlie Sheen is a typical manchild SLE. Male SLEs get hit hard by society like other logician males since usually they aren’t given enough positive incentive to express their emotions and to introspect about themselves. IIRC Charlie Sheen is guilty of sexual harassment or misbehaviour, which is immoral unfortunately. If you don’t learn to deal with people and emotions, something’s going to give eventually.

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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx

I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE