BleuPanda wrote:most notable, the 5 that are 100% indisputably eligible are also all from the 2010s. In general, looking at the results, it feels like we're missing a few key voters who tend to vote for more recent eras of music, so a few recent artists have dropped considerably. I'm hoping one of these people has a surprise last minute ballot, considering I'm a fan of a lot of those albums...

There is one album that will place that I'm really not sure about including. Would people be alright if I dropped Blue Lines (and if not, can someone justify its inclusion to me)? It seems wrong including an album by a band who had no women as permanent members...even if some of the songs have women on vocals, the fact they're not actually members of the band makes this seem like a stretch.

As to Blue Lines, it should be excluded. All sources will point out that Massive Attack as an all-male collective (3D, Daddy G. Mush). Though, those tracks featuring female guest vocals should be eligible for the songs poll.

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BleuPanda wrote:There is one album that will place that I'm really not sure about including. Would people be alright if I dropped Blue Lines (and if not, can someone justify its inclusion to me)? It seems wrong including an album by a band who had no women as permanent members...even if some of the songs have women on vocals, the fact they're not actually members of the band makes this seem like a stretch.

I don't see how it meets the requirements you layed out in the first post. I would have included it if I had figured it might be eligible. I'd say definitely exclude it.

BleuPanda wrote:There is one album that will place that I'm really not sure about including. Would people be alright if I dropped Blue Lines (and if not, can someone justify its inclusion to me)? It seems wrong including an album by a band who had no women as permanent members...even if some of the songs have women on vocals, the fact they're not actually members of the band makes this seem like a stretch.

I don't see how it meets the requirements you layed out in the first post. I would have included it if I had figured it might be eligible. I'd say definitely exclude it.

- I only included artists, by whom I was familiar with at least an album-worth of music.- The info in the third column gives info over the projects I considered for each artist, roughly in order of relevance.- I didn't include guest appearances, session work or non-performing work in the third column but did consider it to some degree.- I grouped individuals together where it seemed justifiable to me because I either found it hard to separate their work in the respective projects or because they wouldn't have made the list on their own. If this poses a problem for some entries, tell me and I'll try to sort it out.

Quick shout-outs to Laura Marling, Julia Holter, Sybille Baier and Linda Perhacs, whose work I'm only vaguely familiar with but who would have likely made the list if I was more familiar with it. If I get around to it before the deadline, they may still make the list.

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Alright, I have the last three album lists to add, then I'm going to start the results topic. The soft deadline has passed, but if you can sneak a list in before I actually start the results topic, I'll include it.

1. I really hope Frida Hyvonen's "Dirty Dancing" gets some rep after its seemingly strong performance in Overlooked Songs 2 (unless I'm overestimating the strength of "Holocaust" and "I Know It's Over"). It currently has no votes...it must have left some impact on a few of you, right?

2. I recently fell in love with Daughter's "Youth" (in much the same way as I did with Foals' "Spanish Sahara" - Daughter did the soundtrack for the Life is Strange prequel and it used "Youth" at a key moment). Anyone else know this song (I see a single vote)? To me, it feels like a better version of whatever I would classify Florence + The Machine as.

I realized while doing the album results that it's easier to add everything at once than to add it as I go, so I haven't even started with the song file; I don't plan to until after all the lists are in (especially since this will be the hardest of the three surveys to compile). So, feel free to edit your lists until the deadline, and as always, let me know if you need an extension.

BleuPanda wrote:1. I really hope Frida Hyvonen's "Dirty Dancing" gets some rep after its seemingly strong performance in Overlooked Songs 2 (unless I'm overestimating the strength of "Holocaust" and "I Know It's Over"). It currently has no votes...it must have left some impact on a few of you, right?

2. I recently fell in love with Daughter's "Youth" (in much the same way as I did with Foals' "Spanish Sahara" - Daughter did the soundtrack for the Life is Strange prequel and it used "Youth" at a key moment). Anyone else know this song (I see a single vote)? To me, it feels like a better version of whatever I would classify Florence + The Machine as.

Well I think I made it clear at least that I only didn't vote for Dirty Dancing because of how much I love I Know It's Over, and I'll vote for it here. Hopefully you're right and more people appreciate both of those songs. I felt pretty much the same way about Formidable Cool dominating the chart and then getting no other votes in the EOY poll. Funny how sometimes these games crossover into the polls and sometimes they don't.

Daughter's singing does remind me of Florence. I'm a sucker for Florence's hooks though, so this song doesn't quite hit me like their best ones, but it is a nice song.

I really need to remember to ask people not to use periods and dashes to separate things. Really, I'd rather people use @ or # or any other odd symbol that doesn't pop up in other places. There's nothing more annoying than having something like this:1. R.E.M. feat. KRS-One - Radio Song

turn into this in separate columns:1REMfeatKRSOneRadio Song

All that mess simply because I'm trying to separate the rank from the rest of the information. I know it then becomes easier to delineate by width, but doing something like:1 | R.E.M. feat. KRS-One | Radio Songlets me separate everything with a single prompt. Basically, using the more common method of listing songs takes five times longer than using less common delineation.

Sorry, I just needed to rant about this, as I've realized actually getting all the separate lists to have a uniform presentation (and therefore letting all the same songs sort next to each other in excel) is my least favorite part of compiling the information. And maybe someone knows a better method of delineating on excel, like, is there a way to only delineate the first period?

Updating my list slightly to add some songs from 2017, which I thought was a historically great year for this category. If you've already counted my list and it's too much of a hassle to update, no worries. Thanks!

I'll be submitting both my song and artist lists either tonight or tomorrow night. (Please disregard my earlier artist list - it's changed considerably.) I'll also remember to not use periods and dashes as separators from now on. I typically type my lists in Word, and that's been easiest for me; but I definitely don't want to make life more difficult on the people who are generous enough to host these massive forum polls. Thanks, BleuPanda!

Though, really, I've learned with this round that dashes can be fine as long as I keep artist and song in the same column. The only problem there is it expands the other big problem I have with compiling this data: some people, for whatever reason, leave off "The" in band names. Which is a massive problem when everyone else puts The Supremes and one person just puts Supremes. That's where a lot of my errors ultimately comes from; if everything is sorted alphabetically, The Supremes and Supremes will be nowhere near each other in the spreadsheet, so I have to comb through and find every instance of this manually. So, having artist and song separate lets me also sort by song.

Though, with how small this is compared to our bigger forum polls, it's less of an issue.

BleuPanda wrote:Though, really, I've learned with this round that dashes can be fine as long as I keep artist and song in the same column. The only problem there is it expands the other big problem I have with compiling this data: some people, for whatever reason, leave off "The" in band names. Which is a massive problem when everyone else puts The Supremes and one person just puts Supremes. That's where a lot of my errors ultimately comes from; if everything is sorted alphabetically, The Supremes and Supremes will be nowhere near each other in the spreadsheet, so I have to comb through and find every instance of this manually. So, having artist and song separate lets me also sort by song.

Though, with how small this is compared to our bigger forum polls, it's less of an issue.

If it's not too much hassle, can you put Sky Ferreira - Everything is Embarrassing at #90 on my list and move everything else down one spot ? Otherwise don't bother, it probably didn't get enough vote to make it to the final list anyway.

Nassim wrote:If it's not too much hassle, can you put Sky Ferreira - Everything is Embarrassing at #90 on my list and move everything else down one spot ? Otherwise don't bother, it probably didn't get enough vote to make it to the final list anyway.

Simple enough.

panam wrote:Top 500 please!

It will certainly be at least a top 500. I'd like to do even more if possible, but I don't want to include songs that have received only a single vote. However, if there are enough songs that receive 2 votes, I might go through the lower ranks with that as a prerequisite to appear in the final list. But I think we'd need more submissions to reach a notable higher figure.

BleuPanda wrote:The end of February 15. And honestly, I'll pretty much accept lists up until the point I start the results topics, just you'll be taking a risk if you wait until that point.

I'm trying hard but I won't be able to post my songs list before the deadline. Hopefully I could post it on February 16 or 17. If you don't use my list it's OK with me since the overall list is going to be excellent without it (as it was the albums list). But I'll send my list anyway, even after the deadline. Sorry for that...

BleuPanda wrote:The end of February 15. And honestly, I'll pretty much accept lists up until the point I start the results topics, just you'll be taking a risk if you wait until that point.

I'm trying hard but I won't be able to post my songs list before the deadline. Hopefully I could post it on February 16 or 17. If you don't use my list it's OK with me since the overall list is going to be excellent without it (as it was the albums list). But I'll send my list anyway, even after the deadline. Sorry for that...

That's fine, as long as I know. I'll have plenty to do on Friday and a wedding to attend on Saturday, so it's not like I'm rushing to start this.

BleuPanda, I'll have my song list finished in about 26 hours (at the latest). If you plan on beginning the rollout sooner than that, please let me know and I'll submit what I have. (I know Honorio plans on submitting a list, too, and has a similar time frame.) The past couple of days have been especially busy, but I'm going to work on it a lot this evening and tomorrow night after work. Thanks!

So there are at least four people I'm expecting a list from right now, I think:JamieWHonorioFather2TheManandyd1010

We currently have 28 people who have submitted lists. We will for sure cover the top 500; depending on how the final few lists affect things, I might decide to do a top 750 (right now, doing the top 750 would mean everyone's top 3 makes the list).

I planned to have my Top 500 in "a couple of days" and finally it was almost "a couple of weeks". Anyway here it is…

1. THE RONETTES "Be My Baby" (1963). Lead vocals: Ronnie BennettRecipe for an immortal pop symphony. Ingredients: Some Ellie Greenwich lyrics about a promise of teenager love 'till eternity. A bright melody by Jeff Barry. A brilliant vocal performance by Ronnie Bennett and some delicious harmonies by the other Ronettes. A mythical drum intro by Hal Blaine. Mix all these ingredients with the Wall of Sound due to the talents of Jack Nitzsche and Phil Spector. And here you have it, "pure gold coming out from the speakers" (in Spector's own words).2. AUDREY HEPBURN "Moon River" (1961)An unrepeatable conjunction. Truman Capote as the novel writer. Blake Edwards as the efficient director. Hubert de Givenchy as the history-making costume designer. Henry Mancini as the composer of a score straight to eternity. Johnny Mercer as the writer of the dreamy lyrics. And, of course, Audrey Hepburn creating a pop icon of her Holly Golightly. And singing sitting on her windowsill (while George Peppard is peeping) the most beautiful song ever, "Moon River."3. BJÖRK "It's Oh So Quiet" (1995)Lunatic Jazz. Björk previously showed in her Icelandic album "Gling-Gló" her fondness for recreating-perverting Jazz standards. But in her cover of "It's Oh So Quiet" (and in the splendid clip directed by Michel Gondry) she created a dreamy world that was a step forward from the Broadway musical comedies and served as the departure point for Von Trier's "Dancer in the Dark."4. THE SUPREMES "Baby Love" (1964). Lead vocals: Diana RossMusic nerds like us tend to consider the work of the auteur as more artistically valuable than the industrial approach. A more than unfair opinion if we talk about a team of producers, songwriters, musicians and singers like the Motown team. In Motown they've found the secret formula, the exact amount of every ingredient to make the best pop songs ever.5. MASSIVE "Unfinished Sympathy" (1991). Vocals: Shara NelsonCulling elements from diverse styles, Massive Attack designed the everlasting electronic hymn of the 90s, equally apt for dancing madly on the dance floor (courtesy of its House rhythm and Hip-Hop scratching) and for listening quietly in your bedroom (courtesy of its amazing string arrangements and the soulful Shara Nelson vocals).

Note 1: I've included the names of the lead vocalist of the bands or the collaborations.Note 2: I've included some classical tracks showcasing the (female) performer (but also mentioning the composer).