BlueOrchid wrote:... I realized if the situation had been anything but life or death, Edward would always feel guilty for "killing" Bella.

That's interesting! I hadn't thought of that. I have another possible reason:Stephenie has kept on reminding us throughout the first three books that being a vampire is a huge sacrifice. The Cullens certainly make us like vampires more, and Bella can think of nothing else but joining Edward as a vampire, perhaps the reader sometimes forgets what she might be risking. I think Stephenie had to write a mildly horrific scene to hammer home the full meaning of what Bella has done by giving up her human life. Is she playing with her soul? In any case, it makes us think twice about her decision.

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I gotta say, I'd burn for three days If I could be a Vampire. Bella got everything and more when she turned. So I think she sacrificed less then most Vampires might..aside from the standard transformation process. Besides, I'm not sure if I would call the burning process a sacrifice, more like the price of admission. Of course, if you add in whether or not Humans have souls and if we loose them when we turn. That I can see as a sacrifice, but I choose to leave that out of the equation. Since no one has been able to prove Humans and Vampires do or don't have souls and they seem to be able to love just as much if not more when a Vampire.

Yeah, I liked the situation in which Bella changed, because in the end, like with Edward, Rosalie, Emmett, and Esme, it was either change or die.

Oh yeah, who else was annoyed with Carlisle after the whole Morphine incident? The mere thought of it gave me chills. Imagine, burning on the inside and not being able to scream or move.

Also, I don't know who else felt this, but I was kind of sad when it got to the point when Bella's heart stops beating. Because, in a sense, she died at that moment. Scientifically, if your heart stops beating for good, you are dead. Yes, I know that being a vampire isn't being dead, but still, its sad when you think about it.

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NolitaFairytale wrote:Yeah, I liked the situation in which Bella changed, because in the end, like with Edward, Rosalie, Emmett, and Esme, it was either change or die.

Oh yeah, who else was annoyed with Carlisle after the whole Morphine incident? The mere thought of it gave me chills. Imagine, burning on the inside and not being able to scream or move.

Also, I don't know who else felt this, but I was kind of sad when it got to the point when Bella's heart stops beating. Because, in a sense, she died at that moment. Scientifically, if your heart stops beating for good, you are dead. Yes, I know that being a vampire isn't being dead, but still, its sad when you think about it.

The brain keeps living for like an hour after death. But as for her not being able to scream, she was glad. Because for one, screaming would of caused Edward great pain and she didn't want that. Secondly, Rose already said that screaming does no good.

I liked the bit about the morphine. By that point, Edward had already suffered enough and I was glad that Bella was able to give him that. She had to feel pain though, there really wasn't any other way. The whole death of one thing to make room for another, and the pheonix rising from the ashes would have been lost had the experience not been painful. Really nicely written and I loved the symbolism.

For me, one of the most powerful scenes in the book, was at the very end of Jacob's book. When he gives up, adn starts thinking about how Bella is dead. Then Edward tells him to get out and pumps her heart for her to push the venom through. That had the most impact on me. The combination of Jacob giving up, and Edward refusing to.

BlueOrchid wrote:At first I was dissapointed that there wasn't a big romantic biting/death scene, but then I realized if the situation had been anything but life or death, Edward would always feel guilty for "killing" Bella. The way it was written made it so that if Edward hadn't bitten Bella, she would have died so he was more saving her life. I also liked how the morphine didn't help the tranformation. It seemed more symbolic, all the rises from the ashes stuff.

I agree.

And I also like how it didn't just end with him biting her or something, I was afraidd of that. Meyer just did an absolutely phenomenal job describing what it felt like to be a newborn. Not in the sense of a newborn's thirst, but how her senses are so enhanced, the strength, etc.

the transformation- well i was kind of dissapointed how it was done out a medical way for saving a life than out of a loving way for a new and different life...but regardless, all the detail and vivid description was insane!!! the venom sounds crazy, but in a good way. the 3 or 4 pgs. for it was suspensful to lead to the first hunt chpt.

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cynb wrote:For me, one of the most powerful scenes in the book, was at the very end of Jacob's book. When he gives up, adn starts thinking about how Bella is dead. Then Edward tells him to get out and pumps her heart for her to push the venom through. That had the most impact on me. The combination of Jacob giving up, and Edward refusing to.