Another new Scandinavian R-P312* joined this morning, ancestral surname Lasseson Heihiller, from just east of Bergen, Norway. He is represented by Placemark 135 on the R-P312* Map (at the link in my signature below).

Interestingly, this new member (YSearch 8EQYZ) is just a genetic distance of 8 away at 67 markers from another of our Norwegian members (YSearch V3228), and that member is L21+.

We added a new Scandinavian member today. His ancestor came from Vimmerby, Sweden.

He is P312+ U152- but is languishing in the "Unassigned Members" category because he is still waiting on the rest of his Deep Clade-R stuff. I'm hoping he gets tested for L21, but there's no guarantee of that.

At Rich's request, I have made a table of the various R1b subclades in Scandinavia. The information is taken from the various projects, but I note there is sometimes a difference between project tables and maps.

U106 and subcladesDenmark 6Sweden 8 ( 9 less one apparently two members of same family)Norway 1 (U198 appears on map only)Finland 4 (? 5 on map)Total 19

Obviously the sampling is thin, but considering that testing for U106 and U152 has been going on for several years, while P312 only for less than a year and L21 only a few months, it is interesting to see that P312 and subclades outnumbers U106 and subclades.

I was beginning to suspect that P312 and its subclades would rival and perhaps even surpass U106 and its subclades in Scandinavia.

Considering the fact that P312 was only discovered last March, and did not become part of FTDNA's Deep Clade-R testing for quite a few months thereafter, and that L21 was only just discovered in October of 2008, it seems to me P312 and its subclades are doing pretty well in Scandinavia.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but no one seems to be noticing things like this.

I was beginning to suspect that P312 and its subclades would rival and perhaps even surpass U106 and its subclades in Scandinavia.

Considering the fact that P312 was only discovered last March, and did not become part of FTDNA's Deep Clade-R testing for quite a few months thereafter, and that L21 was only just discovered in October of 2008, it seems to me P312 and its subclades are doing pretty well in Scandinavia.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but no one seems to be noticing things like this.

What I am having trouble understanding is our shortage of data from Denmark. Looking in Ysearch and at the Danish Demes and Scandinavia projects indicates there is no shortage of Danish P312+.

But how much of it has an L21 result and why so few Danes have joined the R-P312 and Subclades Project are mysteries to me.

Should we try to contact them?

I have emailed some via Ysearch. I heard back from one, but the lady responsible has not since emailed me to say she has ordered any additional testing, and no new Danish members have joined the project.