Has anyone else noticed that there are other LGBT couples and characters on the show besides Lexa? Lexa was a great character and though she was becoming less badass commander and more of a love interest to Clarke she was stilll a very enjoyable character to watch. I was sad when she was killed but again all of this boycotting of the show is just tacky. Lexa's death has such a significant impact on so many people and that is so awesome to witness but do people not realize that by doing this they are causing an even bigger problem. Tv producers are not going to want to piss of the LGBT community by killing them off so they are not going to want to put them into their shows at all. The point of creating a show is having the creative freedom to do what you want. I'm in no way condining what Jason did is right because it's not and Lexa did deserve better. But saying LGBT deserved better is ignorant. LGBT is supposed to be about all Lesbian, Bisexual, Gay and Transgender being supported and equal. But Lexa again did not get killed because she was a lesbian and none of those people seem to realize that.

This has already been hashed out a ton on other places throughout the wikia, but I'm just going to leave this here for you:

"However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."[1]

Miller and Bryan do not make up for it remotely. They're tertiary characters who, up until this week, no one would have known they were a couple if it weren't for JR tellng us over social media.

Lexa's death was a pretty big turning point in the show, especially as it was after a Clexa kiss and also that, well, it was Lexa. Look, the death and consequences were even reported by BBC News. I have NEVER seen that happen before with this show.

a lot of talking about thedeath of lexa, so if may i ask, what excacly did she represent in the LGBT community?

seriously, because she way a lesbian? can i please get an answer from someone who:

1) can please tell me what LGBT is(sorry, but i have no idea what that stands for, maybe lesbian, gay and bisexual.... something....)

2) why was lexa so important there

3) WHY THE FUCK IS THE ONLY PEOPLE ANGRY ABOUT HER DEATH CLEXA FANS AND LGBT.... SERIOUSLY, SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH HER DEATH, I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO WRITE AND THAT IS WHY I AM ANGRY..... BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN I UNFOLLOWED ANYTHING OR SENT DEATH TREATS.... YES SHE DESERVED BETTER AND HELL YEAH, I CRIED AT THE END OF 3X07 THE FIRST 8 TIMES I WATCED IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A LESBIAN, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY HER DEATH WAS SO BAD, I FOR ONE LOVED THE TRAGEDY OPF IT, BUT THE WRITING WAS JUST PISS POOR TERRIBLE.... GREAT EXECUTION, OF COURSE, BUT AGAIN, WHY WAS HER DEATH SO DIFFRENT.....

3) WHY THE FUCK IS THE ONLY PEOPLE ANGRY ABOUT HER DEATH CLEXA FANS AND LGBT.... SERIOUSLY, SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH HER DEATH, I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO WRITE AND THAT IS WHY I AM ANGRY..... BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN I UNFOLLOWED ANYTHING OR SENT DEATH TREATS.... YES SHE DESERVED BETTER AND HELL YEAH, I CRIED AT THE END OF 3X07 THE FIRST 8 TIMES I WATCED IT, BUT JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A LESBIAN, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHY HER DEATH WAS SO BAD, I FOR ONE LOVED THE TRAGEDY OPF IT, BUT THE WRITING WAS JUST PISS POOR TERRIBLE.... GREAT EXECUTION, OF COURSE, BUT AGAIN, WHY WAS HER DEATH SO DIFFRENT.....

I have never been a Clexa fan and I never even really liked Lexa so your accusations are unfounded. LGBTQ representation in the media is almost as bad as POC representation. I don't know how many different ways I can explain covert racism and cover homophobia but it's about the always negative representation and stereotypes they're forced to fulfill, whether it's death by a stray bullet immediately after sex (the most common form of lesbian death) or being made into villains, drug users/dealers, and/or killed off (the most common tropes for POC). If you can't see anything wrong with perpetuating stereotypes and leaving LGBTQ and POC with no good role models on TV, then it finally makes sense how Trump has so much support in this day and age.

Lexa's death was incredibly moving, and when watching it i realised out of the majority of the characters on The 100, she was one of the few i never disliked.

But at the same time, i disagree that she should have been kept alive simply because she was a lesbian.

The way she died was tragic, and it could have been done better, and to not follow the 'dead lesbian syndrome'. However i know a lot of the fans are saying she should have been kept alive simply because she was a lesbian, which is what i don't agree with. She should have the same risk of death as any of the others. I understand that they connected with her on a pretty deep level, and i even heard that somebody commited suicide over the character being killed off, but boycotting the show to try to get it cancelled is going too far.

Skyzy wrote:This has already been hashed out a ton on other places throughout the wikia, but I'm just going to leave this here for you:

"However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."[1]

Miller and Bryan do not make up for it remotely. They're tertiary characters who, up until this week, no one would have known they were a couple if it weren't for JR tellng us over social media.

I understand that. Killing off an LGBT character definitely has a huge affect on the LGBT community and in no way am I saying that it doesn't matter. I just don't understand why people think that Lexa was killed because she was a lesbian. When that was clearly not the case. Her death was poorly executed yes, and raising awareness for LGBT characters on Tv is cool to see. But trying to cancel the show is in my opinion wrong. If they dont like the show they they don't have to watch. Not everything in life is going to go the way you want.

i agree. i am pissed at writing of her death. i admit it.... i am. but rather than that, i must say, that not everyone has a death risk. clarke, bellamy, probably octavia, maybe even monty. those characters have, atleast clarke and bellamy, absolutly zero death risk.... unless the kill clarek off in season finale.... but look at what has become of bellamy, and now everyone is just happy with him getting back on the right track? HELL NO. and still, after all he has done, he gets a redemption arc, nad gets turned back to the good guy. after following pike, after 300 lives he helped take, after being his right hand man... ok, i get that he has been changed, but clarke left, she didnt get anything for saving the lives of everyone in arkadia.... it should have been the same for bellamy.... no to mention what was he thinking was going to happen to clarke after he killed 300 people, rejected the coalition... did he even think for a second what lexa would do to clarke.... just bad writing.....

now, back to lexa, yes, her death was tragic, but the writing of her death was even more..... and ok, now she is gone, lets try to grieve, and maybe move somewhat on.... i will continue to watch this show even s4..... loved it since the pilot... it is no longer that good, but hey, who knows, maybe we get something in the end....

and to the people who hate this show now, i say this: please dont talk shit about it. if you wish, continue watcing. if not, dont. this show will never be the same for me, i will never watch it the same way, hell, ep8 seemed so diffrent, and the only missed clarke... but who knows....

and maybe, this will help: after ep7 i was devestated..... didnt sleep that night, cried for hours.... i even considered stop watching the show.... what helped me was rewatching the episode.... yes, rewatched it agasin an again until i was able to watch it without crying.... maybe it will help some of you as well.... just a note, have tissues preaperted, it wasnt just a couple of times, until i was able to watch it without crying. but when i finnaly did, i was able to get over it.... still mad at it, and ok with it, but.. dunno, somehow it is... more peacefull.....

96.228.137.74 wrote:I just don't understand why people think that Lexa was killed because she was a lesbian.

That's not even the argument. It's not that she was killed because she was a lesbian in the show. It's that she was killed in the exact same way as too many other lesbians on TV (immediately after a love scene by a stray bullet), thus fulfilling the dead lesbian trope. The history behind the trope goes back to the early days of TV censorship where lesbians could only be portrayed as long as there were negative repercussions for their "devious activities."

the 100 most likely got renewed because JR is kinda friends with the boss of cw.

also, ratings are not THAT bad, and remember, the 100 is "diffrent" from other shows, "EVERYONE" is fair game, except for bellamy and clarke, because bellarke has to happen(i do not ship them, i actually might stop watching this show if they get together, but not because i am a clexa/was a clexa fan, i can actually give you a very long argument as to why i dont like bellarke happening.....)

finn. thats all i can say. sorry, but that makes your argument invalid. clarek said she loved him even after that, so......

i mean, we can argue that he was ounished fro his crimes and belllamy definetly wont be, but....

look, bellarke happened in the books, and now, after adc is gone, JR will probably make them happen, like when the show ends he will be like why the fuck not or something like that..... BUT! first from the shows POV: male and female protagonists. when the fuck did they not end up together...... i mean, castle, psych, scrubs...... yes, diffrent types of a show, but still, boy and girl have their ups and downs and then they kiss, fuck and get married..... thats why i loved clexa, they were enemies, lexa wasnt even in s1, she just came and they happened..... kinda like romeo and juliet..... just with juliete and juliete......

as to the characters: remember why did bellamy even started hanging out with clarek, and went to help her get jasper back.... not because of her argument about being scared, but cause HE wanted to cut her hand off..... like i am in charge and you will obey me.... s2 bellamy was like i lost everything and i want to help "my" people..... thats why he went into the mountain, it had nothiung to do with him and clarke, he felt like he left them and he felt guilty..... and not to mention he showed no such feelings for clarek until s2 finale...... s3, he has a girlfriend. im gonna skip his character description and how he fucked his way trough s1, and just say he had gina now, not clarke.... and he still wanted to save her, clarke. because he.... OH CMON, NOW HE HAS FUCKING FEELING FOR CLARKE, WHILE STILL DATING SOMEONE ELSE... AND THEN HE GOES KILLING INNOCENT GROUNDERS, AND ESCALETES THING WITH THE COALITION. AND THEN JR SAYS HES NOTHING LIKE FINN??????????????

thats the problem, bellamy is becoming like finn, and now, after all he has done, all will be forgiuven and he gets the girl, who just lost someone she cared about and spent all her time in polis taking care after the mess he made. HE MADE HER CRY, FOR FUCKS SAKE. he is blaming her for everything she has done, and most importantly, he doesnt get her, not whatshe had to sacrifice to make peace with the grounders, and he even destroyed taht...... and now clarke is just gonna fall for him? thats bad writing, and makes s3 look amazing in comparison.....

^^ Agreed - hes beyond redemption at this point from arresting clarke too pushing for a war they cannot win - hes took part in he massacre and helped pike invade villages - he even shot the messenger in 3x08 whilst clarke was in there capital which tells us he hardly cares for her safety he just has his selfish need for revenge for that girl ( gia was it?? ) we saw for 5 mins & then after all this he has a sudden personality shift when kane sentenced to death its jus naive & sad knowing that after all this they will most likely set up bellarke in the second half of this season leading into season 4- it will be finn all over again & lexas death will become a sidenote thats rarely mentioned or looked upon & i suspect it will be the death of this show unless they defie all our expectations and have bellamy die for his actions this season which will never happen

Finn "only" killed 18 (and I still considered him irredeemable, even if Clarke didn't). Bellamy killed 300.

That's a good point about Gina. Everyone is always worried about Clarke getting over Lexa but no one considers Bellamy getting over Gina. For all we know, they've been in a relationship for the last three months whereas Clarke had the equivalent of a two-week hook-up with Lexa, a vacation fling if anything.

i guess i kinda understand what you are trying to say, but that is not the point.... bellamy is iredemable, and the point is not whether or not he is finn 2.0, but how bellarke is not what would happen, like the writers are pushing it way too hard. i wrote what OOC for him was this season, like going after clarek, killing 300 grounders....... but his relationship with gina, yes, it doesnt matter how much it changed jhim, the problem is that after all he has done, he suddenly has another mind change(sorry, i just couldnt find a better word to describe it)???????????????

HELL NO!!!!!!! after all he has done, dont get me wrong, bob portayed bellamy amazingly, but clarke doesnt AND COULD NEVER EVER EVER EEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR have feelings for him after all he has done.... so, gina has very little to do here, i mean, even if he gets changed, it would change him so badly that he would be willing to kill 300 grounders, start a war, no longer cared about clarke, basicly manipulated monty, got sinclair arrested, got lincoln arrested, after they were more or less friends, and got kane to the point where he faces execution. AND THEN HE CHANGES HIS FUCKING MIND AGAIN??????? anything for bellarke, i guess..... i mean, bellamy is the reason why lexa lost the loyalty of her people.... so in a way, he is kinda responcible for her death.... and then he gets clarke.... just no. just too much no. like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, don't worry. I agree with you entirely. Bellarke should not happen because Bellamy needs to be punished for his war crimes just like Pike and Hannah. If the penalty is death, then Bellamy needs to die. He is not someone I would ever trust considering how easy he is to flip between a mass murderer and a...whatever they're trying to turn him into now.

^ As do i - only death can redeem his character now so if the writers decide to do a complete 180 on bellamys character & have him get with Clarke ill stop watching because it would just be totally insane & would make no sense whatever way you look at it - i know this is sci-fi but i cant keep watching if all im doing is completly suspending belief and theres no form of realism

yeah, but i dont think thats gonna happen..... i think it is safe to believe that bellamy will be "redeemed", and quite possibly get together with clarke..... you know, how he will see everything bad he has done and clarek is going to forgive him and then in the finale lexa tells clarek to move on and she gets with bellamy..... its probably gonna happen about season3/4, in the episode titiled "nope, im out, this is just too stupid", when they dedicate the whole episode convincing the viewers how this is not just another teen drama show where the male and female protagonists get together.....

I think everyone has gone way too far in their opinions of this show. Everyone is so stereotypical towards gender and sexuality and LGBT people are just as bad at judging straight relationships as straight people are with LGBT relationships. Everyone strives for equality but then argues when something doesnt go the way they want. This show is not real life. It's just a show and you should watch it for enjoyment and entertainment not as something that's going to change your lives. Lol

"Everyone strives for equality but then argues when something doesnt go the way they want.."

"equality." i see.

let me give you an analogy.

there is this kid, and let's call him Kid A, who has just been given an entire plate of 100 cookies. there is another kid called Kid B who is given a plate of just 1 cookie. but for some reason, each kid has to have a single cookie taken from their plate. because, you know. equality.

except it's not really equality when you pick past the lovely, gilded letters that make up the word and look at the rotten stuff underneath, because Kid A has 99 cookies left to enjoy and Kid B has none.

the lgbtq* community is Kid B.

so yes, lgbtq* are gonna argue when "something doesn't go the way they want." because what we're getting is nowhere near what "equality" is.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:i think it is safe to believe that bellamy will be "redeemed"

Regardless of whether or not he gets together with Clarke, he is irredeemable, no matter if the writers try to tell us otherwise. The only way he can be redeemed is by not having massacred 300 sleeping warriors sent to protect them. I will say it over and over again to drive the point home: there is no coming back from that.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:i think it is safe to believe that bellamy will be "redeemed"

Regardless of whether or not he gets together with Clarke, he is irredeemable, no matter if the writers try to tell us otherwise. The only way he can be redeemed is by not having massacred 300 sleeping warriors sent to protect them. I will say it over and over again to drive the point home: there is no coming back from that.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:i think it is safe to believe that bellamy will be "redeemed"

Regardless of whether or not he gets together with Clarke, he is irredeemable, no matter if the writers try to tell us otherwise. The only way he can be redeemed is by not having massacred 300 sleeping warriors sent to protect them. I will say it over and over again to drive the point home: there is no coming back from that.

maybe Death?

According to Kim Shumway, death is permanent on this show so he's still not coming back from that.

(But, yes. If Bellamy died in some self-sacrificing way to save others from the repercussions of his actions, then he might be redeemable only then.)

Ok so yeah LGBT people have been living very hard and deal with really tough situations in life. They face bullies and stereotypes and constant prejudice for being who they are and none of that is ok. I was bullied in high school for having feelings for a person of the same sex. I also agree that they deserve better in both the case of Lexa and how she was killed right after she had sex with Clarke. It does imply that gay people dont get happy endings and that also sucks. Showing support for lexa and the LGBT community is awesome and helps other. But what I'm trying to say is that the people who act extremely unprofessional about the whole thing. The way some people from the community act is ridiculous. I love shows but i also have a life that exists outside the 100 and i understand that everyone is different but soon this show will end and no matter who Clarke ends up with or whether Bellamy is "reedemed" or they get together in the end. Our lives will still go on because like i said before this show isnt real.

76.78.236.84 wrote:I love shows but i also have a life that exists outside the 100 and i understand that everyone is different but soon this show will end and no matter who Clarke ends up with or whether Bellamy is "reedemed" or they get together in the end. Our lives will still go on because like i said before this show isnt real.

You do realize this is a wikia for the show itself so people disucss things about this show on this wikia.

76.78.236.84 wrote:I love shows but i also have a life that exists outside the 100 and i understand that everyone is different but soon this show will end and no matter who Clarke ends up with or whether Bellamy is "reedemed" or they get together in the end. Our lives will still go on because like i said before this show isnt real.

You do realize this is a wikia for the show itself so people disucss things about this show on this wikia.

Yes of course. I just want people to respect each other and not be so condescending when you are talking about something about the show or ship or what have you. Everyone has different opinions and arguing and yelling at each other is not how we should be acting.

i will say this: people who are sending death threats/threats in general to people involved in the show are going over the line. but that should be a given, because death. threats. are. never. okay. i will NEVER understand why people think telling someone they're going to show up at their home and murder them with a bloody meat cleaver will solve anything. tf? this won't solve anything. it only perpetuates hate and violence and that is NOT what we need.

but imo, just about everything else is fair game.

i cause discourse about this subject because it needs discourse. it will need discourse for as LONG as people don't understand how much it's affected people. it's affected people to varying degrees, sure, but it has affected people in a negative way and that's what matters.

again: it's been 14 years. enough time has been spent NOT talking about this subject, and look where it's gotten us: nowhere. i'd even go so far to say that we've been regressing. there have been 133 and counting wlw deaths in tv shows ALONE and i'm not even counting those of gay men. chew on that for a moment.

there have been some people out there who have been BLATANTLY a) disrespecting lgbtq's feelings in the regards of lexa's death and b) basically telling them to f*** off. they're going to be disrespectful during an especially sensitive time? well, i'm sorry, but i'm going to argue with them. arguing is exactly how we should be acting: we've been passive long enough.

what's even worse than some of the fans is that the network, the showrunners, and i'm guessing the executive producers are not. listening. they think it'll make things better? it will NOT. it is making things WORSE. it is EXACERBATING things far more than accepting discourse ever would've been. in the past 12 days, there have been tons of twitter trends slamming the show, slamming jason rothenberg; the show has started to attract bad press from very well-renowned sites like variety. does it MATTER that the 100 has been renewed? have you seen ANYONE talking about it as much as they have "The Lexa Issue"? no. because bad press is always going to be mentioned above good press. yet they have not uttered a PEEP on the entire situation. it's an entire PR disaster alone, forget about the social implications. they just burned an entire community whom they apparently believe to have little to no power (a gravely incorrect assumption on their part, as the past few weeks have shown) and now they're paying the price for it.

major social change, in history, has never happened with people being passive. in this matter, the time is gone for being passive.

I wasnt trying to start trouble at all. I was saying it in general because ive seen a lot of hostility on twitter and on here as well in other discussion posts. And skyzy you seem like have a lof of negative feelings about the show some I agree with lol why do you still watch it if you don't like most anything about it?

76.78.236.109 wrote:I wasnt trying to start trouble at all. I was saying it in general because ive seen a lot of hostility on twitter and on here as well in other discussion posts. And skyzy you seem like have a lof of negative feelings about the show some I agree with lol why do you still watch it if you don't like most anything about it?

This wikia is NOT a fan page and editors are not required to be "fans" in order to make edits. I've edited pages on wikipedia about Stalin and Castro; does that make me a fan of communism? This wikia is for information and part of that information is on how you can ruin a show in a single season and piss off half a fandom (including one of the admins on the show's own wikia) in the process.

I'm still not sure if I will continue watching it once it comes back from hiatus. At this point, I'm still around as a matter of principle and integrity. I'm one of only two admins and I spent the entire hiatus rebuilding this wikia before Season 3 and I don't want to see it destroyed in a week. I have ten months of wasted time to make up for so I deserve to be as vocal as I want about how horribly off-course this season has gone. I don't condone any of the actions taken this season in any way and I don't want people mistaken that all my hard work and effort over hiatus is because I agree with them.

Since I can't (and wouldn't ever want to) sit here and revert every edit I've made on this wikia, I want to make it clearly visible that the person with the most edits on this wikia (me) does NOT support this "unintentionally" racist and "accidentally" homophobic mess and is disgusted with the unprofessional behavior of the showrunner and the the Network.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:agree..... lots of fanpages out there about arguing and whats ok and not, but this has just facts, mixred with personal opinions......

Exactly. You can hate/love Lexa, you can hate/love Bellamy, you can hate/love Clarke, you can hate/love the show. Just don't hate on other users or try to turn discussions into arguments. Otherwise I have to censor people and that's what I hate more than anything.

Almost every character on this show has blood on their hands. Yes, Bellamy participated in or went along with - as far as we know since we don't actually see it - the killing of 300 grounders sent to protect Arkadia and then you have Clarke who basically sat back and did nothing when Mount Weather bombed TonDC, seemigly on Lexa's say so that it would be a good idea not to warn anyone, and how many dead/injured there - same meat different gravy to me. How is one redeemable and the other not? Bellamy following Pike was a bum move on his part but the fact is shit happens in life and people make mistakes and whilst some people are lucky enough to make the kind of mistakes that have negligable consequences there are others who make big, almighty clangers but it doesn't mean that these people do not deserve a shot at redemption. Everyone has it in them to redeem themselves.

81.133.30.90 wrote:Yes, Bellamy participated in or went along with - as far as we know since we don't actually see it - the killing of 300 grounders sent to protect Arkadia and then you have Clarke who basically sat back and did nothing when Mount Weather bombed TonDC, seemigly on Lexa's say so that it would be a good idea not to warn anyone, and how many dead/injured there - same meat different gravy to me. How is one redeemable and the other not?

Because Clarke wasn't the one who sent that missile to Tondc; that was the Mountain Men. Bellamy actively pointed his gun and shot sleeping and wounded Grounders dead. There's a BIG difference. If Clarke and Lexa went around individually killing all those people in Tondc, only then would it be the same meat....

clartke made a strategic call, not to mention she only did that because bellamy didnt do his job in time.... she let this happened, not do it, diffrence there. bellamy killed people who he was warned about that were no threat. HUGE diffrence between those 2, sorry.

2.31.148.195 wrote:Some of you keep saying Bellamy can't come back from the fact he killed 300 grounders,

When there was like 10 of them that went, Bellamy didnt kill 300. The number is unknown of how many he killed. It could literally be like 10.

It doesn't matter if it was 10, 18, or 300. He killed people for no reason other than for who they were, Grounders. That's irredeemable. He's now completely untrustworthy, unpredictable, and unreliable. There is no guarantee that something else won't set him off on another killing spree out of anger/vengeance/grief or whatever the motivations were behind this recent downfall, especially since he keeps switching sides so fast it makes my head spin.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:if he would be anything of a good character, or a person his character is, he would kill pike and take control as a chancellor..... that is what i think his character really is.........

Not anymore. :( That's who we all thought his character was but according to the writers, he's just an indecisive and angry militant follower who has no trouble killing people in cold blood. Probably tortures small animals, too.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:if he would be anything of a good character, or a person his character is, he would kill pike and take control as a chancellor..... that is what i think his character really is.........

Not anymore. :( That's who we all thought his character was but according to the writers, he's just an indecisive and angry militant follower who has no trouble killing people in cold blood. Probably tortures small animals, too.

no, i must disagree with you, bellamy is no follower, atleast wasnt until pike came along......

Bellamy wasn't a lot of things until Pike came along. Now, he's a wasted redemption arc stuck in a Stormtrooper's body. If they try to redeem him again, it will be more nonsensical than turning him into the mindless, unpredictable drone he currently is.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:no, i must disagree with you, bellamy is no follower, atleast wasnt until pike came along......

Bellamy wasn't a lot of things until Pike came along. Now, he's a wasted redemption arc stuck in a Stormtrooper's body. If they try to redeem him again, it will be more nonsensical than turning him into the mindless, unpredictable drone he currently is.

nope. he is gonna get a redemption story, because after massacring 300 people in their sleep, people who were there to protect him, and rejecting the coalition, which clarke stayed in polis for and not thinking about her and not knowing what the grounders will do to her as revenge fro the attack, and after attacking an innocent village and again, now going to war with people that had clarke, he.... oh, cmon, he still didnt excpect her to get killed????? ok, after that, he didnt excpect her to get killed because bellamy knew that jason would not kill two people in the show, where he claims everyone is fair game: him and clarke..... and after that, after giving her shit for doing things she did becasue he screwed up and made her cry, he will now be redeemed and clarke will fall for him, because love knows no bounderies, and this show is so progresive you can fall in love with everyone: a girl that you love so much, you let her hate you so she...... wait, what, so what ecxacly was he thinking he had a shot with her or something???? ok, or a guy, who has a girlfriend but screwes you and then tells you he just wanted his first grounder pound and you were just kinda there..... but you just smile because you think he was just kidding....... then you make one of the best tv couples EVER with a woman you fall in love with after she betrays you, makes you do something that you lost your soul for, then uses you to gain political power and makes you bow before her..... but you do all that because...... you love her???? ok, and then you attack back and manipulate her into not taking rightful revenge against people who are still, as they speak, preparing to kill even more of her people.... which ultimatly lerads to her dath, but not before you FINALLY have sex.... twice. and in this progresive show, where the producer says he didnt have another chance to cast her and wanted to do ther reincariation story arc as an excuse... but you know he is lying and actually ships bellarke, so kills the woman you love, during your walk of shame, in front of you. but after about 950 people you killed or watched die.... you will fall in love with boris..... bellamy after pike......

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? THAT IS THE ACTUAL PLOT FOR CLARKE AND BELLAMY????? THIS IS HOW BELLARKE HAPPENS?????????? THIS IS WHAT YOU MADE CLARKE DO IN SEASON 3???? HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MAKE ELIZA AGREE TO THIS???? SERIOUSLY, WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE ON HER THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOO BAD SHE WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE TO THIS??????? AND BOB????????? AND FUCKING ADC????????????? AND WRITERS WHO ACTUALLY DARE TO ADMIT THEY TOOK A PART IN ALL OF THIS?????????? SERIOUSLY, JASON, WITH WHICH DEVIL DID YOU MAKE A DEAL WITH???? THE ONE FROM LUCIFER, THE ONE FROM SUPERNATURAL, WHICH ONE????????? SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:nope. he is gonna get a redemption story, because after massacring 300 people in their sleep, people who were there to protect him, and rejecting the coalition, which clarke stayed in polis for and not thinking about her and not knowing what the grounders will do to her as revenge fro the attack, and after attacking an innocent village and again, now going to war with people that had clarke, he.... oh, cmon, he still didnt excpect her to get killed????? ok, after that, he didnt excpect her to get killed because bellamy knew that jason would not kill two people in the show, where he claims everyone is fair game: him and clarke.

Now that JR has finished ruining Clexa shippers and will soon ruin Linctavia shippers, he's started his trolling for Bellarke shippers. They're so desperate for a crumb of acknowledgement, they are eating it up. And he calls himself "progressive?" He's a a spoiled bully throwing a temper tantrum because he was finally exposed for the uncreative hack he has always been.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? THAT IS THE ACTUAL PLOT FOR CLARKE AND BELLAMY????? THIS IS HOW BELLARKE HAPPENS?????????? THIS IS WHAT YOU MADE CLARKE DO IN SEASON 3???? HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MAKE ELIZA AGREE TO THIS???? SERIOUSLY, WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY HAVE ON HER THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOO BAD SHE WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE TO THIS??????? AND BOB????????? AND FUCKING ADC????????????? AND WRITERS WHO ACTUALLY DARE TO ADMIT THEY TOOK A PART IN ALL OF THIS?????????? SERIOUSLY, JASON, WITH WHICH DEVIL DID YOU MAKE A DEAL WITH???? THE ONE FROM LUCIFER, THE ONE FROM SUPERNATURAL, WHICH ONE????????? SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, wasn't going to quote the whole statement, but

LMAO!!!!!!! OMG, I was dying laughing!.. if this is how you write here, can't wait for AO3. ;-)

But, totally agree with the whole point. JRoth has no brain, no creativity and I swear to god, he is out to kill off every character of this friggin' show. Only problem is who will be left to act in it?? And if he actually does Bellarke, this show will have just lost every single ounce of creative credibility it ever had - or at least what it had left after the Lexa fiasco. Because there is no way, on this little blue marble that Clarke would ever redeem Bellamy for all the crap he pulled.

And as an aside, as I have been pulling apart "13" for the last two weeks, is it not odd that in the story line that both Abby and Kane knew what Pike was going to do the the Grounder Army, and even though they had time before Kane gave Pike the Chancellors pin, that they never thought to go warn said army?? Being that they were getting along with Indra and all?? Odd, no? or just a major oversight on JBeasts part. Cause I sure as hell would have ridden my ass off to them. (kind of like Octavia did?)

And as an aside, as I have been pulling apart "13" for the last two weeks, is it not odd that in the story line that both Abby and Kane knew what Pike was going to do the the Grounder Army, and even though they had time before Kane gave Pike the Chancellors pin, that they never thought to go warn said army?? Being that they were getting along with Indra and all?? Odd, no? or just a major oversight on JBeasts part. Cause I sure as hell would have ridden my ass off to them. (kind of like Octavia did?)

We've noticed that massive plot hole as well as numerous others. This entire season has been a really terrible joke on the fandom. I don't understand how anyone even allowed this to air in such a tragically unedited state??

We've noticed that massive plot hole as well as numerous others. This entire season has been a really terrible joke on the fandom. I don't understand how anyone even allowed this to air in such a tragically unedited state??

Holy crap, I think you, I or uncle bob from the grocery store could have done a better job writing than these guys....no wonder fan fiction is alive and well (and doing a WHOLE lot better) telling the stories like they should be told...

i mean, to be fair...to play devil's advocate...season three had a lot of potential...which is why half the fanfiction out there is better than the actual season itself...they just didn't exploit it properly.

agree.... i saw the potential for this season and really liked it.... but then it didnt happen.... like OMG,gronder clarke with red hair killing and...... AAAAAAAAAAND thats gone...... holy crap, a new black person on the sho..........AAAAAAND hes the bad guy.... omg, omg, omg, alyca is ba........... AAAAAAAAAAAAAND i am crying such a river i could end water problems in africa.......holy crap, this queen nia is very interesting charac............. AAAAAAAAAAAND she is dead...... omg, emerson is bac..........AAAAAAAAAAAAND he is gone......

so, after watching the walking dead 14 episode, i was wondersing, since i reqad somewhere that there had been a lot of lesbians killed off this year, if i cvould like getr a list, of people that have apparently been killed due to "kil your gays" trope and thius year in general....

That sounds crazy to me. I've been reading fanfiction for over 15 years. As a kid, if I had to pay money for fanfiction, I wouldn't have ever read a single fic. As an adult, why would I waste money on fanfiction, when they're so many well written books out there. (Yes, there books out there that are worse than fanfictions, but for every such book, there are a hundred fanfics worse than it. Also, I don't count self-published books in my description of "well written books", even though some are well written.)

That sounds crazy to me. I've been reading fanfiction for over 15 years. As a kid, if I had to pay money for fanfiction, I wouldn't have ever read a single fic. As an adult, why would I waste money on fanfiction, when they're so many well written books out there. (Yes, there books out there that are worse than fanfictions, but for every such book, there are a hundred fanfics worse than it.)

When I heard about that I believe it was a joke. How can this be happening? It's fanfiction. How can you profit on this?

Anyone can self-publish on Amazon, so maybe it's the fanfic writers themselves putting it up. Not too many hits on those books at the moment but it might become something lucrative. I'd be willing to spend .99 cents on a good fanfic just like I do on a song. The ratings system would also make it a lot easier to avoid those fanfics that aren't so good, too.

But I would never have gotten into fanfics if I had to pay. Part of the appeal for fanfics is that there are many and they are free. If I read one and don't like it (poorly written, disliked plot, etc.), then the only thing I wasted is time. As a kid (aka before finishing college and working full-time), I wouldn't have money for fanfics. I'd be reading whatever I could get for free, if not fanfics, then library books (and I doubt libraries plan on stocking these fanfics anytime soon).

Also, the type of fanfics I read, I question if publishers would approve (e.g. gay relationships where in canon everyone is straight, NC-17/MA/Explicit fics, etc.). I don't know how Kindle Worlds works, i.e. Can anything be published or must it PG? If original author is anti-LGBT (e.g. Orson Scott Card), are LGBT fics allowed? Or do authors, when 'releasing' their worlds to Kindle Worlds, have no control on what is now published?

Looking through the list of Kindle Worlds, I'm happy to see that none of the fandoms I read are on it (yet). (I never got into The 100 fanfics.) I have mixed feelings over this. Over 15 years, I've read some amazing fanfics. Am I unwilling to support the authors? It's not that exactly. It's more that I would never have read those fanfics if they weren't free. Because I don't regret reading fanfics (even though my family, all of whom are readers, think fanfics are junk), I don't want fanfics to be lost. And I feel that putting a paywall, will prevent people like me from ever getting into fanfics (and my family cheers).

No, it's illegal to publish fanfics for money without proper permissions. There are some fair-use guidelines (e.g. parodies like Barry Trotter) but they are extremely limited in the US. What fanfic authors do to get published is change names and claim it's an original work, e.g. Fifty Shades of Grey (this only works if plot is also significantly different, e.g. take out the vampires & werewolves, insert BDSM).

What Kindle Worlds does is gets permissions from the rights holder. Amazon publishes the fanfics and for each copy sold, pays royalties to both the rights holder and fanfic author. The Star Trek books are a better comparison, but a big difference is that those were publisher approved (i.e. publishers made sure the works were well-written and it had to fall within certain plot guidelines).

Janus100 wrote:I have mixed feelings over this. Over 15 years, I've read some amazing fanfics. Am I unwilling to support the authors? It's not that exactly. It's more that I would never have read those fanfics if they weren't free. Because I don't regret reading fanfics (even though my family, all of whom are readers, think fanfics are junk), I don't want fanfics to be lost. And I feel that putting a paywall, will prevent people like me from ever getting into fanfics (and my family cheers).

I have the same mixed feelings. Some fanfic authors, I would pay in a heartbeat to read their next work and I think they should "graduate" to the next step and make money off their talent on their way to getting a real book deal. Other fanfic authors need more work perfecting their craft and I'm happy to be their test audience because I can see the potential. Those ones should remain free.

Janus100 wrote:I have mixed feelings over this. Over 15 years, I've read some amazing fanfics. Am I unwilling to support the authors? It's not that exactly. It's more that I would never have read those fanfics if they weren't free. Because I don't regret reading fanfics (even though my family, all of whom are readers, think fanfics are junk), I don't want fanfics to be lost. And I feel that putting a paywall, will prevent people like me from ever getting into fanfics (and my family cheers).

I have the same mixed feelings. Some fanfic authors, I would pay in a heartbeat to read their next work and I think they should "gradauate" to the next step and make money off their talent on their way to getting a real book deal. Other fanfic authors need more work perfecting their craft and I'm happy to be their test audience because I can see the potential. Those ones should remain free.

seriously? SERIOUSLY? so i just found out that fanfiction is now payable..... sorry, maybe i was a little slow on the subject, but really, paying fort fanfiction..... too bad, so i guess i wont be reading that anymore.... dont people know that a big part of the audience or/and readers are poor....sorry, dont mean you guys, but rather myself.... like i honestly do not have enough to pay for fanfiction, like i do not own 0.99 for that..... jesus, capitalism at its finest.....

Ebooks have caused decreased sale of printed books and the close of some bookshops. Payed fanfics will cause some fanfic authors to no longer publish fanfics for free, which may lead to decrease of quality free fanfics, which may cause decrease of fanfic readers, leading to decrease of sale of non-free fanfics and closing the market (... or not).

It has the potential be a self-correcting market. A fanfic author starts writing fanfic and grows an audience. They eventually post their next work for purchase. Either everyone buys it because the author is that good or no one buys it because the author is not quite there yet. Some of these fanfic authors deserve to make money because they're that good and should be published but they probably never will because the publishing industry is a mess.

It might be a way for them to get their foot in the door. After that, they can write original works for publish and continue writing fanfic for free if they want. There are already several published authors who still write fanfic for free under pseudonyms and I don't see that going away.

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
seriously? SERIOUSLY? so i just found out that fanfiction is now payable..... sorry, maybe i was a little slow on the subject, but really, paying fort fanfiction..... too bad, so i guess i wont be reading that anymore.... dont people know that a big part of the audience or/and readers are poor....sorry, dont mean you guys, but rather myself.... like i honestly do not have enough to pay for fanfiction, like i do not own 0.99 for that..... jesus, capitalism at its finest.....

Who knows? Hollywood could buy them and make shows and movies about them. Have you seen all those reboots and remakes?

From 'this season is terrible' to "which is why half the fanfiction out there is better than the actual season" to "Speaking of Fanfiction. I read that Amazon wants to cash in and sell fanfiction." to 'they are going to ruin all fanfics.'

Dragonfly82 wrote:How can they have any seasons when they are killing off characters? I mean those which people like and make the show meh.....watchable.

It was once innovative to kill off main/beloved characters in shocking ways every now and again. Now, it's become some sort of challenge and has ruined the original conceit, making most of those shows pointless to watch for the characters since "no one is safe." Why waste my time loving a character who will soon be dead? The story better have a good plot to make up for the disposable cast (which most of them don't).

Not sure what you mean? I guess I misused some industry terminology or something. I'll just copy/paste then.

"‏unholyduet: @Maybelline Are you supporting discrimination against your LGBT customers ? If not, why are you financially supporting the tv show "The100"?Maybelline New York: @unholyduet of course we don't. We no longer advertise around that tv show."

In other news.... Anyone read this article about one of the writers, Shawna Benson, infiltrating an LGBTQ safe space to quell fears that Lexa was going to die?

Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:so, after watching the walking dead 14 episode, i was wondersing, since i reqad somewhere that there had been a lot of lesbians killed off this year, if i cvould like getr a list, of people that have apparently been killed due to "kil your gays" trope and thius year in general....

skyzy, sorry, but that list of 148 dead lesbians..... i just have to not agree with it.... like not disagree, just not agree.... ok, i am gonna put some of things that i believe are to be noted to know that this list is not excacly what i believe is dead lesbians... ok, some of them were bi, not lesbians, special mention here is lucretia, whose death had nothing to do with her sexuality and was bi.... thi list goes from 70s to today..... yeah, some of those deaths however are kinda stupid.... avoibable.... preventable or senseless..... BUT.... just a thought: not to defend in any way any lesbian death or something like that, but to me i believe that the reason of the incresed number of lesbian deaths on TV could be somewhat connected to the increased number of such characters intruduced on TV in general over the past years.... does that make any sense?

well, it says in the title "dead lesbian and bisexual characters" in the article, so yeah, they did make mention of that.

"but to me i believe that the reason of the incresed number of lesbian deaths on TV could be somewhat connected to the increased number of such characters intruduced on TV in general over the past years.... does that make any sense?"

and yet, how many straight characters are introduced on television every day? how many of them are PROPORTIONALLY killed off? lesbians as a group on tv, PROPORTIONALLY, die FAR more often than straight characters. that's the point. it's not about how many characters in a given group are killed off but the percentage that are.

and yet, how many straight characters are introduced on television every day? how many of them are PROPORTIONALLY killed off? lesbians as a group on tv, PROPORTIONALLY, die FAR more often than straight characters. that's the point. it's not about how many characters in a given group are killed off but the percentage that are.

There's another article that goes into the statistics of it and said that in order for straight deaths to "catch up" to all the LGBTQ deaths so far this year (8) something like another 300(?) straight characters still need to die in the first three months of 2016. I can't find it now, though, so if anyone has a link, please feel free to share.

Skyzy wrote:
In other news.... Anyone read this article about one of the writers, Shawna Benson, infiltrating an LGBTQ safe space to quell fears that Lexa was going to die?

hooo boy, yeah, that was ugly. it's been a subject of contention for quite some time now: [1]

And they want us to trust JR when he apologizes? Hahahahaha! Besides, it's not like his apology is going to bring Lincoln or Lexa back from the dead. It's unfortunate he ruined such an excellent show that could have been remembered as revolutionary for the LGBTQ community. Instead, it's going to be remembered as a cautionary tale of poor representation for both LGBTQ and POC.

If you are not glad on what happened on The 100 and so I think you could take time from it, I used to watch The Big Bang Theory also The Pretty Little Liars. Things which was bothering me about it and it was causing more frustration. It's not worth it. I am glad I stopped watching them it's not gonna get better after this.

Save yourself time and start a new show. You should not waste your time anymore.

I'm posting my response here to a comment in this thread because it got kinda off-topic over there.

Show addict wrote:Wow... i had absolutely no idea of any of that. Thank you for all the explanation and info.

Call me naive, but i really thought they would never go through that much trouble.

The Network clearly has no idea what they're doing and has been scrambling for the past month to figure it out too late. I'm almost certain that JR's present media silence is only because it was finally forced upon him (which should have been done immediately after they realized the backlash was bigger than they thought). The Network is only making it worse with their stubborn refusal to admit they are wrong (especially with this latest rumor about the Shawna Benson scapegoat thing).

My honest opinion is that there were no intentionally malicious motivations behind the queer-baiting. They took things much too far and crossed a line they should have clearly seen but I don't think they set out to do that purposefully. The queer-baiting, however, is only a small portion of a much larger problem. To put it simply, JR is a privileged bully who was given too much power and it got to his head. He bullied his cast and he bullied his fans and it's his own gross negligence that led both the show and the fans into the mess we're in now.

I still hold firm to my belief that there is someone or something that was introduced to the show (or Network) around 1x04 and was removed again around 3x04. Whoever that person is or whatever that component was, it needs to be returned immediately.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:^2 more to come this week, though i'm not sure if it's also on the cw or if it's on another network.

Are there even any more LGBTQ left on the CW? I don't know. I stopped watching all shows on that network after The 100 trainwreck started happening.

Oh, wait. There's still Clarke, (Niylah), Miller, and Bryan. My guess is Miller gets shot by a stray bullet from his father's gun while Sgt. Miller is aiming for Bryan. Then, Bryan commits suicide in his grief.

Is CW run by the Gov of North Carolina? It doesn't make sense for CW to be anti-gay in this day and age. that said I don't ahve CW, I have to watch the 100 on netflix. But I can follow the ratings and they are plummtieing, which is way I think even if renewed they will cancel the show. If the CW is systemically killing off all LBTGQP characters then that can be construde as a hate crime. I find it hard to believe they could justify that to there sponsors, without a mass exodus.

I also have to say, that sometimes LGBTQ characters have to die, I mean this for story reasons that actually make sense, Not how they seem to be pilling them like cord wood according to Skyzy. ADC, has come out and said she is in shock over the backlash, and apologized, which I don't think she needed to do. This rumour disturbs me greatly, one if its true that changes this from JR being the bad guy to the Network being the true baddies(meaning JR maybe still bad, but not as bad) and if it is false, this makes you wonder why these two people made it up and what their agenda is? This is starting to get disturbinly out of hand.

First of all I shouldn't be surprised that there is a thread for this. Secondly, it'll take me a while to catch up on all that has been said here. Thirdly, Skyzy suggested I (re)post my message here.

My original post: Wadda heck!? Look what I've came across,shocking , is there anybody who believes him at this point?

"Interviewer: Do you feel like everybody who was upset about the Lexa issue has made peace at this point?

Jason: I don't know, honestly, what the answer to that is. I feel like this is an ongoing situation. I feel like I'm grateful that I was the center of this so that I could understand it. It would have taken me, at first, I didn't get it and I worked really hard in trying to take myself out so I could hear what was being said.

I have learned a lot from it, and for sure will apply these lessons going forward in terms of being not just a better showrunner, or course, but also a better writer and more in tune with what my audience is reacting to, and I think a better person too. I think as the father of two kids, this has been a teaching moment for them and for me, because ultimately, I don't think it's weakness to apologize when, even if inadvertently, you've hurt somebody.

So that's sort of where I have come to. I never meant for the story to cross the line the way that it has for some people. Just because I didn't mean for it to happen, it happened, and I felt the need to apologize, and it took me a while. I wish I had gotten there sooner."

I'm just gonna leave right here this JR quote from that moviephone interview where he's accidentally flaunting his white, male privilege again: "In terms of how it affects me as a human being, my writing is always pretty dark. I think the show has always been pretty dark. It's, yes, darker this season for sure. But it's always been something that I've had to sort of step away from and be with my kids, and try and find a way to live a normal, healthy, happy life and not [let] it consume me."

Heads up. There are more rumors going around that in the next few days before 3x10, there will be two interviews with cast being released. It's assumed it will be ET and LM. Looks like the network is finally trying to do some damage control. Just as a reminder, they are both still under contract so their words will be carefully chosen for them.

Skyzy wrote:Heads up. There are more rumors going around that in the next few days before 3x10, there will be two interviews with cast being released. It's assumed it will be ET and LM. Looks like the network is finally trying to do some damage control. Just as a reminder, they are both still under contract so their words will be carefully chosen for them.

I think they're underestimating the fandom's patience threshold. We had to occupy ourselves for 10 months waiting for Season Three. It's only been a month since the initial backlash. We still have at least another 9 months of fight left in us.

.......................in other news apparently there are people out there who refuse to support the lgbt movement currently happening rn for a multitude of reasons, one of them being: "I can’t support gay people wanting better representation because they jokingly ship Clarke with the Chip."

Skyzy wrote:Heads up. There are more rumors going around that in the next few days before 3x10, there will be two interviews with cast being released. It's assumed it will be ET and LM. Looks like the network is finally trying to do some damage control. Just as a reminder, they are both still under contract so their words will be carefully chosen for them.

Got more information on it. It's Ben Bateman who will be interviewing RICKY!!! on Tuesday night and Lindsey on Thursday.

Skyzy wrote:Heads up. There are more rumors going around that in the next few days before 3x10, there will be two interviews with cast being released. It's assumed it will be ET and LM. Looks like the network is finally trying to do some damage control. Just as a reminder, they are both still under contract so their words will be carefully chosen for them.

Got more information on it. It's Ben Bateman who will be interviewing RICKY!!! on Tuesday night and Lindsey on Thursday.

I think it's a good thing. Ben Bateman seems fairly objective and Ricky has been nothing but an angel to the fans, not only over hiatus but also during this whole disaster. It'll also be nice to get some solid evidence and closure as to what happened.

Ricky's interview on youtube with Ben Bateman. It was a fantastic interview for the most part. I've only listened to it once so I wasn't too clear on some things and might have missed some other things. I've summed up the JR stuff below.

Ricky loved everything about that show, loved Lincoln, misses the everyday contact with his vanfam. Lincoln was supposed to survive S3 but JR started cutting Ricky's scenes and dialogue to the point where Ricky sat around for 6 weeks not even filming. JR further "abused his position to make [Ricky's] job untenable." Typical, run-of-the-mill, power-mad-boss-type bullying and other inappropriate behavior that got so bad Ricky tried to quit in S2 and again in S3. The belittling and bullying led to script changes that kept happening last minute and how Lincoln's entire storyline continued to shrink with each new script release.

Ricky finally reached an agreement with CW/WB to stick out the season but could audition for other roles? (I wasn't too clear on what was being said here). He would absolutely work with CW and WB again in a heartbeat. He was even still considering returning to The 100 S4 until JR changed the script and killed him off for unnecessary shock value and sabotaged the story. (Ricky also made a passing comment that it was probably because JR heard about the American Gods audition.) It sounds like the original plan might have been to write him off in the finale, allowing him to come back for S4? (again not too certain on what he meant).

^^ALL of this makes it sound like he's still technically under some sort of loose contract with CW/WB, which brings me to the only cringe-worthy PR moments. He continuously pushed for us to keep watching a show where the show-runner bullied the audience and has completely crossed the line in terms of story. I want to keep watching, I want to support the cast and crew, but I'm sorry, Ricky. Like you said, "enough is enough." People's mental and emotional health is at stake. Lexa's death triggered people, Lincoln's death triggered people, this next episode sounds like it's also going to be triggering.

I really honestly think he hasn't even bothered watching this season and doesn't realize it's so much worse than a couple of dead favorite characters. This season is abusive and bullying to the audience and if Ricky actually saw what we're seeing, I don't think he would have almost guilt-tripped us into keep watching it. He did make up for that PR spiel a little bit with a comment at the end about how the show is great, the cast and crew are great, the show-runner just needs to go.

He also phrased a couple of other things poorly but this is a live interview so it's understandable (but I have a feeling people will still be jumping on him for it because everyone is so freaking over-sensitized and paranoid now because of JR's manipulation).

All in all, great interview. Still no real specifics besides typical bullying behavior from a terrible boss but that's okay because there's no need to air dirty laundry that graphically. What he gave us was enough information to understand the problem while also remaining respectful and professional.

NikkiNicks wrote:What, who's mental health is at steak, I agree that JR is a bully, but what?

Every single person who has been traumatized by the show's offensive, homophobic, and racist message this season. Why do you think over $115,000 (and counting) has been donated to the Trevor Project since Lexa's death? Suicide hotlines have been passed around like crazy both with Lexa's death and now with Lincoln's. People have relapsed (and I know of several on a personal level, which I shouldn't even know one).

All I can guess is it was done purposefully to test the limits of the Network censorship code and to see what they could get away with? But they never considered how the audience might be affected by their insensitivity and gross negligence toward real-world issues. They seem to have no concern or care for the implications behind the negative messages they are sending out, especially since they don't even bother exploring the consequences if those things were to happen in the real world. It seems like they're trying to outdo themselves each week at the expense of the audience. Is there some sort of writers' pool with whichever epsiode loses the most viewers wins?

And by "they," I mean JR for the most part but also the Network a little bit for not intervening before and especially for not intervening now and continuing to air this show in its current unedited state when it has already gone out of its way to offend minorities from POC to LGBTQ as well as cause mental and emotional health problems to its viewers.

personal experience here, after 3x07 i cried for 2 hours and couldnt get to work the next day.... and im a straight white male(pun intended)......

it took me about 2 and a half weeks just to get over that scene, like stop having remembering it at random times and start crying....

most people have it even worse, so.... yeah, it is pretty bad..... not to mention now lincoln..... i mean i watched A LOT OF CHARACTERS DIE onscreen, but lexa..... damn, that one even got to my cold barbed stone where heart was supposed to be....

Skyzy wrote:...the only cringe-worthy PR moments. He continuously pushed for us to keep watching a show where the show-runner bullied the audience and has completely crossed the line in terms of story. I want to keep watching, I want to support the cast and crew, but I'm sorry, Ricky. Like you said, "enough is enough." People's mental and emotional health is at stake. Lexa's death triggered people, Lincoln's death triggered people, this next episode sounds like it's also going to be triggering.

I really honestly think he hasn't even bothered watching this season and doesn't realize it's so much worse than a couple of dead favorite characters. This season is abusive and bullying to the audience and if Ricky actually saw what we're seeing, I don't think he would have almost guilt-tripped us into keep watching it. He did make up for that PR spiel a little bit with a comment at the end about how the show is great, the cast and crew are great, the show-runner just needs to go.

Ricky responded and apologized on twitter to help clear up this confusion:

yes, it was indeed that bad. me personally, i couldn't even drag myself out of bed for 2 days after 307 happened to go to school or finish work and was...generally not in a very good mental state. it was triggering and it was not good. which is why ricky saying what he did about the show nagged at me a lot, especially what he said about "representation still being on the 100; they still have a bisexual lead" or whatever it was. but the thing is, representation does not equate GOOD representation. quantity does not equate quality. i can't put it more simply than that. (though i admit i didn't stay to watch after that part of the interview because my internet cut off right after that point, so i'm definitely going to rewatch it tonight again and see if anything changes.)

also, this needs to be said: i've mostly refrained from commenting on my personal feelings on the "cancel the 100" issue that has been going around after it had been first brought up, and i've waffled between both sides of the argument for a couple of weeks too. on the "don't cancel the 100" side, mostly i was 1) worried about the impact it'd have on the actors and the crew, who have been (well, mostly...) nothing but amazing through the entire thing and 2) worried about how pushing this rather radical idea would reflect on the lgbt* community as a whole, that it'd make us look petty. and listen: i still certainly do admire the hard work and effort the cast and crew put into the 100. i do. but in the end - i'm so sorry, but i truly think that the issue is ultimately much bigger than their careers on this show. this may sound terrible - but, you know, the 100 was going to end of its own volition sometime anyway, and then the cast/crew will eventually have to find new jobs. (and quite frankly, it would be an insult if the cast/crew couldn't find new roles on other shows/films, because they're all so, so talented.) but this is about poc and lgbt* representation for two entire minority communities in the entire entertainment industry. the movement happening now has the potential to serve as a deterrent for all future shows that are made. this movement has traction now, and i personally think that it has the potential to change the future of the entertainment industry in regards to poc/lgbt* representation. and that...is something that i don't think should be given up.

i don't know, though - heaven knows i've wavered over this issue myself long enough.

They're playing a game they already lost a month ago. It's only gained more momentum and support since then and is now bigger than anything they can control.

As to Lindsey, she will probably go the same route as ET and ADC. She will say the PR statements she agrees with and will stay away from the statements she disagrees with. It's still PR but it's as much freedom as they're allowed to have.

"[Jason Rothenberg] was professionally bullying me, cutting out all the storyline I was supposed to be doing, cutting lines, cutting everything out, trying to make my character and myself as insignificant as possible.”

And

“Every time a script would come through I would see literally nothing for Lincoln," he said. "He’s not doing anything. It was never about screen time, it’s an ensemble cast … but it was why he had no screen time. I approached other producers [on set] and said, ‘What’s going on?’ because Jason always stayed in Santa Monica. ‘Why am I being treated like this?’ And the producer I spoke to just [said], ‘You need to speak to him. I don’t know what his problems are with you.’”

Not to mention this ->"It kind of seemed settled that Lincoln was going to go toward the end of the season, and then a script came out and an amendment came out ... where he went back and was executed. I mean, even that storyline — he was executed for no reason. It was very weak."

Or this -> "[Alycia's] incredible character and to be caught by a stray bullet … and then Lincoln, that was really weak," Whittle said. "It's sabotaging the story. That's down to the writing. And for me, I just thought that's just Jason trying to get me off the show as quickly as possible."

Does anybody else gets the feeling that Ricky was supposed to have a VERY different final story, but just because JR is a spiteful jerk he got reduced to THAT?! (Up until now I was trying very hard to be neutral about this, but damn it, this is unprofessional and cruel!)

He also mentioned something about the possibility of coming back for season four somewhere? Like it sounded as if it were supposed to be open-ended and he was just to have reduced screentime (which he was already being given) and be allowed to audition for other roles.

This whole thing just rekindles the spark that's been burning since Bellamy pratfalled into his fridged girlfriend and got wangst all over himself. This season had so much potential and it started off so well! My heart is broken for the greatness of what could have been.

Skyzy wrote:He also mentioned something about the possibility of coming back for season four somewhere? Like it sounded as if it were supposed to be open-ended and he was just to have reduced screentime (which he was already being given) and be allowed to audition for other roles.

This whole thing just rekindles the spark that's been burning since Bellamy pratfalled into his fridged girlfriend and got wangst all over himself. This season had so much potential and it started off so well! My heart is broken for the greatness of what could have been.

I'm watching the interview rn and he said he was supposed to die in the last episode (Cuz the network and WB wanted him to stay), but JR not only cut those scenes (KILLING Beach's complex character development into a flat cartoonized caricature) he made his death earlier in the season just get rid of him. Lincoln's storyline was supposed to be bigger this season and JR just pulvirized it, along with the posibility of return. I think that's why he decided to do his death close-up and detailed. It was "Look closely. Ricky is NOT coming back after this. Just so you don't hold out any hopes!"

Yeah, I mean Ricky did say that everyone supported him and that the story was going to be different, there was a big depth in Pike's character, which was supposed to be a complex one not a 1d joke, but JR is simply a spiteful person who chose to write off a fanfavorite and belittle the others. I seriously don't see how The CW can keep him on after this!

Up until now, I was interested in two producers' actions. Jeff Davis from "Teen Wolf" who seemed to have the best relationship with his leads and the cast (from what I gathered at ComicCon panels) and JR because of the season 3 spoilers he gave this summer. I have NEVER heard of such mistreatment to an actor. I have heard of actors who were hard to work with but BOICOTTING YOUR OWN SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF YOUR LEADS?! WTH?! Didn't he cast him in the first place?!

Not sure what you mean? I guess I misused some industry terminology or something. I'll just copy/paste then."‏unholyduet: @Maybelline Are you supporting discrimination against your LGBT customers ? If not, why are you financially supporting the tv show "The100"?

Maybelline New York: @unholyduet of course we don't. We no longer advertise around that tv show."

Target has now also announced they're not running ads during the show.[1][2]

TheDragonair wrote:I'm watching the interview rn and he said he was supposed to die in the last episode (Cuz the network and WB wanted him to stay), but JR not only cut those scenes (KILLING Beach's complex character development into a flat cartoonized caricature) he made his death earlier in the season just get rid of him. Lincoln's storyline was supposed to be bigger this season and JR just pulvirized it, along with the posibility of return. I think that's why he decided to do his death close-up and detailed. It was "Look closely. Ricky is NOT coming back after this. Just so you don't hold out any hopes!"

It also sounds as if the Network's hand were tied in some way with Ricky having to prove he wasn't being utilized for them to allow him to audition for other rolls instead of them fixing the problem immediately? JR either owns some sort of creative rights or has some sort of blackmail over someone at the Network and their hands are basically tied (or it will cost them more than they're currently willing to invest to get rid of him).

This whole situation validates and explains exactly where this season went so wrong. JR was given too much power with too little experience and too little maturity to handle it. Instead, he's like a vengeful five-year-old stomping on his own sandcastle for spite.

jesus, everyday i go on the internet and i see how people react on this show.... lexa dying , linoln dyong, bellamy/boris changing sides story arc, actors visibly not liking the show anymore..... then jr being stupid and sayiong he put thing in the show we knew fans would not like..... AND people stoping spšonsoring this show now..... should i even go into petitions and fan reactions....

i fell like i am on a beach... with a cigare in one hand and whiskey in other.... watching the world burn.... wseriuosly, this show is actually digging its own grave.....

I never watched Lexa as a LGBT character. I watched her as a strong woman who knew what she was doing. Im straight white female, I really loved her, she i one and only fictional character i have cried for. And after a month and so ago, i watched again and again 307 and i still cry every time, I dont know how to get over her death. beside that, I also love this show, i love their story, (they r getting darker after 310) but I like the plot. Really dont understed this boycot, I mean cmon people. They r ruinig this show with their hatred, i mean what normal person will go and lower the rating on every episode so far, (talking about Imdb). If u dont like the story and the way it goes this story stop watching it. There r people sho still love this show,

What if the TV Network wants to do damage control and bring back Lexi, A.L.I.E 2.0 regenerated her body and installed a back up of her conscious mind. And she would like the real Lexi. Could this please many of the people?

I don't think so. Because that means that Alycia must be Luna. i don't think that they killed Lexa(Alycia) just to bring her as Luna. That would be so stupid.I've read somewhere that they r casting Maggue Q(from Nikita) as Luna.

Dragonfly82 wrote:What if the TV Network wants to do damage control and bring back Lexi, A.L.I.E 2.0 regenerated her body and installed a back up of her conscious mind. And she would like the real Lexi. Could this please many of the people?

Nope. Once again, people aren't pissed Lexa died. They're pissed at the way she died and the queer-baiting and lying done to the fans before they were slapped in the face with the dead lesbian trope. It also does nothing to address the real-life treatment of Ricky Whittle or the specific problems with the flat-out racism of this season.

It's too far beyond the show now. They lost control of the situation when they did nothing for a month, waiting for the "bitter teens" to get bored. Instead, those bitter teens have organized and are banding together, along with other fandoms (Arrow, TVD, Sleepy Hollow).

umm, no, wouldn't really help. this is a lot bigger than her death. That was the start, indeed, but now it's way out of the reach of any showrunner/PR team/network. They can't solve it with throwing crumbs in front of the starving masses. that'd be only fuel to the fire...

My new ultimate hope would be, somebody else's idea, a spinoff. The Grounders. That'd be awesome. Could the fandom make that happen???
Starting with the bomb, first Commander, then fast-forward how the Mt men exploited them, then how Lexa become Commander, how she united the clans, how then the Arkers landed and the fight begun. Kinda like the FtWD, providing with all the lore, background story, creatures, culture, etc.

Could be the save for CW if this thing really becomes a problem for them (I know I kinda contradict myself, but even if it's out of controll, I don't think it became a true pain in the butt for the network). They could try to redeem themselves, naturally right after they fire He-who-must-not-be-named but hold onto the original writers, recreating the universe, giving a new perspective, more consideration, thought, empathy and awareness to the whole show. In a nutshell, correcting all the wrongs, while keeping the parts which fans fell in love with, fulfilling the "slogans" of the100.

Dragonfly82 wrote:What if the TV Network wants to do damage control and bring back Lexi, A.L.I.E 2.0 regenerated her body and installed a back up of her conscious mind. And she would like the real Lexi. Could this please many of the people?

Nope. Once again, people aren't pissed Lexa died. They're pissed at the way she died and the queer-baiting and lying done to the fans before they were slapped in the face with the dead lesbian trope. It also does nothing to address the real-life treatment of Ricky Whittle or the specific problems with the flat-out racism of this season.

It's too far beyond the show now. They lost control of the situation when they did nothing for a month, waiting for the "bitter teens" to get bored. Instead, those bitter teens have organized and are banding together, along with other fandoms (Arrow, TVD, Sleepy Hollow).

could you elaborate on the other fandoms? why are the upset I don't watch those shows.?

I only watched Sleepy Hollow but I stopped at the beginning of this season and was going to binge it after the season was over. Not anymore. From what I've gathered, the lead actress, Nicole Beharie, had what sounds like a similar experience to the Ricky Whittle situation. She quit and they killed her off in an extremely distasteful manner, reducing her character to a prop for a white man's path to sainthood.

The Vampire Diaries - I've never watched but they killed off their only two LGBTQ in a murder-suicide (double-suicide?).

Arrow - I also don't watch but they killed off Laurel Lance in some sort of abhorrent/offensive way, too.

Skyzy wrote:I only watched Sleepy Hollow but I stopped at the beginning of this season and was going to binge it after the season was over. Not anymore. From what I've gathered, the lead actress, Nicole Beharie, had what sounds like a similar experience to the Ricky Whittle situation. She quit and they killed her off in an extremely distasteful manner, reducing her character to a prop for a white man's path to sainthood.

The Vampire Diaries - I've never watched but they killed off their only two LGBTQ in a murder-suicide (double-suicide?).

Arrow - I also don't watch but they killed off Laurel Lance in some sort of abhorrent/offensive way, too.

ok so is the CW controlled by the governments of North Carolina, and other anti-gay state governments?

94.228.238.113 wrote:I don't think so. Because that means that Alycia must be Luna. i don't think that they killed Lexa(Alycia) just to bring her as Luna. That would be so stupid.I've read somewhere that they r casting Maggue Q(from Nikita) as Luna.

Maggie Q?? Really??? Damn!!! I love her!!!! Can't wait for her to show up!!!

Well, maybe it's just a rumor, idk, i just read that they r casting some of the actors from Divergent series, and its probably Maqqie Q, but don't hold me with that.(i'll try to find that article) As for Luna, she might be her older sister or even mother,idk, it's just a theory.

94.228.238.113 wrote:Well, maybe it's just a rumor, idk, i just read that they r casting some of the actors from Divergent series, and its probably Maqqie Q, but don't hold me with that.(i'll try to find that article) As for Luna, she might be her older sister or even mother,idk, it's just a theory.

they appently killed off Maggie Q's character in divrgient and she is in two other TV Series. so I doubt its Maggie Q.

Skyzy wrote:I only watched Sleepy Hollow but I stopped at the beginning of this season and was going to binge it after the season was over. Not anymore. From what I've gathered, the lead actress, Nicole Beharie, had what sounds like a similar experience to the Ricky Whittle situation. She quit and they killed her off in an extremely distasteful manner, reducing her character to a prop for a white man's path to sainthood.

The Vampire Diaries - I've never watched but they killed off their only two LGBTQ in a murder-suicide (double-suicide?).

Arrow - I also don't watch but they killed off Laurel Lance in some sort of abhorrent/offensive way, too.

For the Sleepy Hollow thing, didn't Beharie want to get out of her contract

the point is that black and latino and asian actors may be in the business but they're far more likely to get treated like crap than white actors, both onscreen and offscreen. is all of hollywood racist and homophobic? i don't know. however, i would say that covert racism/homophobia are both huge problems.

being nondiscriminatory isn't a matter of inclusion - you can have a token black character in a movie and stereotype him/her to the point where they're unrecognizable, because they act like apes and are derogatory to the point of comedy and can't comprehend the workings of ~modern society~. is that racism? yes. but since that black character is included in that movie, well, then no one should be complaining.

No, and why can't we just put this argument to bed already, no side is winning here, we are all either fighting back and fourth, insulting back and fourth and no side is getting anything, let's just put this whole mess of an argument to bed and move on, there's alot worse in the world than racism

you furthered the argument yourself when you posted that previous message...

racism is a problem in the world. there being other ~larger~ problems doesn't diminish the problem of this one because 1) "larger" is relative and 2) racism is probably the largest social issue in the world right now.

I also happened to read that article, Arden said that there wasn't room for every character, Now Whittle was bullied, Arden's is due to probably budget reasons, did she out right say they were racist? No, or else she would've said they were, and no matter how much you try, racism, or any other issue in the whole entire world, it will never go away, this will all still be here in ten years

NikkiNicks wrote:I also happened to read that article, Arden said that there wasn't room for every character, Now Whittle was bullied, Arden's is due to probably budget reasons, did she out right say they were racist? No, or else she would've said they were, and no matter how much you try, racism, or any other issue in the whole entire world, it will never go away, this will all still be here in ten years

Bullshit, Most places are far less racist and sexist, homophobic then they were 10yrs ago or are moving in that direction. there are exceptions like th Southren US. The US has a huge problem with it. Many of my friends who travel and work their come home and comment how much worse it is there then here. We are not past blame, Our Treatment of our First Nations is appaling. Thankfully we now have a government that actually wishes to do something. Saying racisism is never going away is giving up, 50yrs ago they said segeration is never going away, 50yrs ago they said they would rather lynch a black man then allow him to date their daughters, that I think has changed. Racism, Homophobia and Sexism can be defeated. I changed. Its very possible and is no longer taking 50yrs.

But are we so special? The Clexa, Lexa + other 100 fans banding together and marching straight into the fire, nah not really but relentlessly fighting on social media week after week, maybe soon month after month. Again, my question is, are we indeed that special, or we just happened to be at the right place at the right time, perhaps both!?

Sure, the whole trope problem proves that this has been going (unnoticably) on for quite some time. It might be that it was time, but seemingly this fandom is like a bunch of superheroes, reaching the sky and telling the Moon all about our issues. Still it is hard to believe, that this bunch of cosplayers can actually fly after taking on the cape, maybe even without it.

Javier Grillo-Marxuach stated :
"There is something called the lesbian death trope which has deep roots in homophobia. Whether we intended to or not, we played into it. Now we are looking at a community which is mobilized and using social media very productively to move forward an agenda that is saying we do not want to see this anymore."

so maybe it's also a generation thing, the fact that we do have access to social media, whilst earlier outraged fans could only scream at home, maybe organize a protest, but it never became a WW trend, huh that sounds stupid, but you get what I mean.

Again, my question is, are we indeed that special, or we just happened to be at the right place at the right time, perhaps both!?

putting aside the entire controversy it sprung from, it's really a very interesting social phenomenon in and on itself. and i'd say it's a mixture of both. there were certain elements in place, such as the sheer pervasiveness of the lesbian death trope/bury your gays and the fact that the 100 is a show that is very much driven by its social media presence. but that alone wouldn't have been enough if the fandom didn't take initiative.

I'm truly intrigued and I did seriously consider to shift my focus and analyze this phenomenon as a sort of human rights violation. Problem is, it's hard to research an ongoing movement, so perhaps in two years, for my master's thesis. ;)

Honestly, I'm honored to be part of it and to live at the time when it's happening. Hats off to all who started this movement and the ones who keep pushing it forward.

As the headline of the Washington Post's newest article says, "TV keeps killing off lesbian characters. The fans of one show have revolted". The emphasis is on the "one". It started with the 100 fandom and I think that's something to be proud of.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:Again, my question is, are we indeed that special, or we just happened to be at the right place at the right time, perhaps both!?putting aside the entire controversy it sprung from, it's really a very interesting social phenomenon in and on itself. and i'd say it's a mixture of both. there were certain elements in place, such as the sheer pervasiveness of the lesbian death trope/bury your gays and the fact that the 100 is a show that is very much driven by its social media presence. but that alone wouldn't have been enough if the fandom didn't take initiative.

I think it was just the perfect storm. A show betraying the trust of the fans it used for ratings happens much more often than most people realize. Usually, the show will slowly die off in viewership before finally being put out of its misery a couple of seasons later. This time, however, the fans are sick of it and are finally taking a stand.

This situation with The 100 was unique for a number of reasons, making it the ideal catalyst for the viewer revolution.

They used social media to build their fan base for free marketing. Their fan base is relatively young and savvy with social media and used their talents to further promote the show and generate buzz. It's a double-edged sword because now the fans are using those same talents they perfected over hiatus to make their message heard.

They teased and lied to the fans about good representation when they have actively done the reverse this entire season (diminishing female empowerment, embracing homophobic and racist tropes, etc...). I still don't think it was a deliberate lie; I truly think they really are that incompetent.

They did not respond appropriately to the problem fast enough and their initial responses were further insulting and instigating to the fans.

They still have done nothing to rectify any of the issues that have been brought up by the fans or the media (like putting up general advisory or content warnings like almost all other TV shows already do). Instead, they continue to exacerbate the problem each week by showing more and more offensive things to add fuel to the fire (from Lincoln's death to Raven's wrist-slitting to Murphy's rape played off as a joke).

Other shows are doing the EXACT SAME THINGS, further proving the points being made and affecting far more people than just The 100 fans. I don't know what it is about this season or if all the show-runners got together last year and plotted some sort of industry-wide conspiracy, but it has been a terrible, horrible, no good, rotten season of TV. I can't think of a season this bad for viewers and fans in a long time, if ever, especially since last year was one of the best.

The political climate is especially volatile right now in the US and people are justly concerned about their rights being taken away (just look at #blacklivesmatter and what's going on in North Carolina and Georgia!). What is reflected on TV is considered a reflection of our society and what is being reflected right now is that if you're a minority, you're disposable.

Last thing, about that, this whole "Black Lives Matter" thing is that, people are tired of that, you know why, because people who are non white or LGBT should not get special privileges because there black or gay, or illegal immigrants suckimg our money, that's why Trump's high in the Republican poles, people like his ideas, say anything you want, he still getting higher, know why, like I said before, people are tired of this bullshit, and I'm tited of this whole argument as a whole

NikkiNicks wrote:this whole "Black Lives Matter" thing is that, people are tired of that, you know why, because people who are non white or LGBT should not get special privileges because there black or gay, or illegal immigrants suckimg our money

It's ignorant and generalized hate speech like this that's part of the problem.

(And the only people who say they're "tired of it" are the special privileged who don't want to share.)

There not privileged, nobody should be privileged over anything else, and, uh, look at us, look at what where all doing, this Wiki used to be a good place, everyone used to get along well, now where all fighting back and forth, people are taking sides, no one is nice to anyone anymore, this whole wiki is divided, I have as much stress in my life as it is (I'm sure we all do) and we are all just causing more stress to each other, just, uh, I'm tired, of this this argument of fighting you, fighting half this Wiki, what happened, why did this get out of hand

1, um, yes, you were being ignorant with that response. :/ "people are tired of [BLM]"? if that isn't being ignorant, i don't know what is. and "people who are non white or LGBT should not get special privileges because there black or gay"? you do realize that the reason why non-white and LGBT* people are complaining is because they don't have any privilege, whereas white people have it all???

2. if you don't want to discuss it, then don't discuss it, stop replying, and let people who actually want to discuss it talk about it. no one's forcing you.

NikkiNicks wrote:There not privileged, nobody should be privileged over anything else, and, uh, look at us, look at what where all doing, this Wiki used to be a good place, everyone used to get along well, now where all fighting back and forth, people are taking sides, no one is nice to anyone anymore, this whole wiki is divided, I have as much stress in my life as it is (I'm sure we all do) and we are all just causing more stress to each other, just, uh, I'm tired, of this this argument of fighting you, fighting half this Wiki, what happened, why did this get out of hand

What happened is exactly what this entire thread has been discussing. Why are you even replying if you don't want to discuss it? Minorities are treated like crap on this show (and others). That's a fact that has been proven over and over and over and over again in article after article after article after article. You can deny it all you want but all that does is make you seem like a privileged person who's scared of having her privilege taken away and given to those blacks or gays or immigrants stealing jobs you don't want to do anyway.

NikkiNicks wrote:There not privileged, nobody should be privileged over anything else, and, uh, look at us, look at what where all doing, this Wiki used to be a good place, everyone used to get along well, now where all fighting back and forth, people are taking sides, no one is nice to anyone anymore, this whole wiki is divided, I have as much stress in my life as it is (I'm sure we all do) and we are all just causing more stress to each other, just, uh, I'm tired, of this this argument of fighting you, fighting half this Wiki, what happened, why did this get out of hand

What happened is exactly what this entire thread has been discussing. Why are you even replying if you don't want to discuss it? Minorities are treated like crap on this show (and others). That's a fact that has been proven over and over and over and over again in article after article after article after article. You can deny it all you want but all that does is make you seem like a privileged person who's scared of having her privilege taken away and given to those blacks or gays or immigrants stealing jobs you don't want to do anyway.

It Isn't all shows, it just seems that a lot of them have been fucking up recently.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:Again, my question is, are we indeed that special, or we just happened to be at the right place at the right time, perhaps both!?

putting aside the entire controversy it sprung from, it's really a very interesting social phenomenon in and on itself. and i'd say it's a mixture of both. there were certain elements in place, such as the sheer pervasiveness of the lesbian death trope/bury your gays and the fact that the 100 is a show that is very much driven by its social media presence. but that alone wouldn't have been enough if the fandom didn't take initiative.

This isn't new either. When Conan-Doyle killed of Sherlock Holmes back in the 19th century, the fans(dom) was so upset they protested and Conan-Doyle brought Sherlock Holmes back.

It Isn't all shows, it just seems that a lot of them have been fucking up recently.

and they'll continue to fuck up if something! isn't! done! about! it! why is this so hard to understand?! nothing has ever been changed because the powers that be suddenly decided to get off their high horses one day and go "oh, we're going to give the little man what he wants out of the kindness of our hearts." NO. it has always been an oppressed faction who has worked to attain equality or whatever cause they were fighting for to get the powers that be to pass legislation or whatever to create positive change for them. that's how it works.

This isn't new either. When Conan-Doyle killed of Sherlock Holmes back in the 19th century, the fans(dom) was so upset they protested and Conan-Doyle brought Sherlock Holmes back.

conan-doyle is one man. this is hollywood. hollywood's a business. there's a difference.

This includes the overuse of offensive tropes because suddenly, show-runners think they're above the need to research what they're writing. How many of them have come out recently with the "I didn't know" excuse? They're basically admitting to being terrible writers and should be fired for that ineptness alone.

The problem isn't really that Lexa died, it's more so that she died in the stereotype lesbian tv death way. Tragically shot in front of Clarke after they had sex is a way different way to go than getting stabbed in battle, you know?

Thing is, Lexa had to die for the story to progress, but the way they killed her was ridiculous and insensitive. Just wait until Bryan inevitably dies and makes this whole thing worse lol there I'm stuck because I love LGBT representation, but I'm already ready for Bryan to go ahaha

Thing is, Lexa had to die for the story to progress, but the way they killed her was ridiculous and insensitive. Just wait until Bryan inevitably dies and makes this whole thing worse lol there I'm stuck because I love LGBT representation, but I'm already ready for Bryan to go ahaha

My bet is on Miller: LGBTQ and POC representation in one "shocking" twist!

Whitewalker000 wrote:Thing is, Lexa had to die for the story to progress, but the way they killed her was ridiculous and insensitive. Just wait until Bryan inevitably dies and makes this whole thing worse lol there I'm stuck because I love LGBT representation, but I'm already ready for Bryan to go ahaha

My bet is on Miller: LGBTQ and POC representation in one "shocking" twist!

Oh my god, that would be terrible. That would really be the straw that breaks the camal's back for me with this show. I've been wondering if we're going to get another major/semimajor death before the series ends. If it's Miller I'm going to lose my mind lol

Jarod(Miller) said on twitter that 312 is really special episode for him. So my guess that something big is going to happen in that episode about him and Bryan. I think Jaha will die in the finals, bc i dont see his story for S4.

Alex.saka wrote:Jarod(Miller) said on twitter that 312 is really special episode for him. So my guess that something big is going to happen in that episode about him and Bryan. I think Jaha will die in the finals, bc i dont see his story for S4.

I would love some kind of redemption arc for Jaha. I know he's probably too far down the rabbit hole now, but I like to think that he looked a little uncomfortable with the idea of needing to kill Clarke, Bell, Octavia and co.

Skyzy wrote:I guess Stephen King is their latest PR trick. Such a disappointment but not surprising. If he can't see the obvious plot holes in Season Three, I might have to rethink my opinion of him as a writer.

That's quite the surprise. I wasn't sure what kind of audience this show included in terms of gender and age. As an 18 year old I knew for sure that I was in the target demographic, but I've been debating recommending it to my 50 year old parents lol I'm curious if he ACTUALLY like The 100.

Skyzy wrote:I guess Stephen King is their latest PR trick. Such a disappointment but not surprising. If he can't see the obvious plot holes in Season Three, I might have to rethink my opinion of him as a writer.

Skyzy wrote:I guess Stephen King is their latest PR trick. Such a disappointment but not surprising. If he can't see the obvious plot holes in Season Three, I might have to rethink my opinion of him as a writer.

Wow. Is the CW paying him or is he doing this promo out of the goodness of his heart? Let's face it, after a certain point of fame, you pretty much cease to exist as a private individual, at least on social media outlets.

My guess is it's some backroom handshaking that went on. Maybe he has another book being turned into a movie or miniseries and needed someone at CBS or WB to approve it. You know, your usual corporate politics and cronyism. I'd rather believe that about him than the other option....

Skyzy wrote:My guess is it's some backroom handshaking that went on. Maybe he has another book being turned into a movie or miniseries and needed someone at CBS or WB to approve it. You know, your usual corporate politics and cronyism. I'd rather believe that about him than the other option....

So now William Shatner is in on this latest PR attempt. He even takes the "people should be grateful we have any representation at all" stance. He also makes a pretty rude dig at Ricky Whittle, basically saying that if he was a minority who was bullied into quitting and then had his character prematurely killed off in an extremely racist way, he would keep his mouth shut and be thankful to even have a job. Basically, telling everyone to stop protesting and be happy about it.

"But the vast majority of the most powerful people in TV come from the same subsets of the population, and are typically white, male and heterosexual, thus certain assumptions and forms of obliviousness are going to keep popping up."

Sparkstoaflame wrote:LOL shatner basically called people involved in the mvmt terrorists,,,..,,,

It's because they're minorities, otherwise he'd be calling them "misunderstood."

sigh...I'm embaressed as a Canadian.

William Shatner bullied my grandmother when they were kids, they lived on the same street. She wasn't surprised to see he grew up to be a d***. I can be a proud Canadian and a proud Trekkie but still accept the cold reality that Shatner is a d***** bag lol

Sparkstoaflame wrote:LOL shatner basically called people involved in the mvmt terrorists,,,..,,,

It's because they're minorities, otherwise he'd be calling them "misunderstood."

sigh...I'm embaressed as a Canadian.

William Shatner bullied my grandmother when they were kids, they lived on the same street. She wasn't surprised to see he grew up to be a d***. I can be a proud Canadian and a proud Trekkie but still accept the cold reality that Shatner is a d***** bag lol

It is like an unspoken rule, that Kirk is cool, but Shatner, shat on everyone.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:LOL shatner basically called people involved in the mvmt terrorists,,,..,,,

It's because they're minorities, otherwise he'd be calling them "misunderstood."

sigh...I'm embaressed as a Canadian.

William Shatner bullied my grandmother when they were kids, they lived on the same street. She wasn't surprised to see he grew up to be a d***. I can be a proud Canadian and a proud Trekkie but still accept the cold reality that Shatner is a d***** bag lol

It is like an unspoken rule, that Kirk is cool, but Shatner, shat on everyone.

A rude Canadian? They exist? I mean, I have always heard that they are always so nice and polite and that Canada is a near uptopia even if you google it. or is that a stereotype? By the way, I prefer Picard.

Dragonfly82 wrote:If you are not glad on what happened on The 100 and so I think you could take time from it, I used to watch The Big Bang Theory also The Pretty Little Liars. Things which was bothering me about it and it was causing more frustration. It's not worth it. I am glad I stopped watching them it's not gonna get better after this.

Save yourself time and start a new show. You should not waste your time anymore.

Well Dragonfly, I want to give a compliment on your post, buy everything that comes to mind leaves me comparing your post to a majority of others posts I've seen here, and I want to avoid lumping this in with those. So, please just accept that I was impressed by this post.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:the point is that black and latino and asian actors may be in the business but they're far more likely to get treated like crap than white actors, both onscreen and offscreen. is all of hollywood racist and homophobic? i don't know. however, i would say that covert racism/homophobia are both huge problems.

being nondiscriminatory isn't a matter of inclusion - you can have a token black character in a movie and stereotype him/her to the point where they're unrecognizable, because they act like apes and are derogatory to the point of comedy and can't comprehend the workings of ~modern society~. is that racism? yes. but since that black character is included in that movie, well, then no one should be complaining.

is that what you're trying to say?

More than 99% of hollywood votes for a given poliitical party. So, when you want to blame a group for being "racist" or "sexist" or "anti LGBTQ(whatever other leters we're supposed to asdd here now)", take a look at hollywood and the politicians you see them hobnobing with.

FloaterJ wrote:
More than 99% of hollywood votes for a given poliitical party. So, when you want to blame a group for being "racist" or "sexist" or "anti LGBTQ(whatever other leters we're supposed to asdd here now)", take a look at hollywood and the politicians you see them hobnobing with.

...ok...good for hollywood...

i'm sorry, i don't quite understand what you mean to say with your response. what do political party affiliations even have to do with this? they were never even brought up here???

FloaterJ wrote:
More than 99% of hollywood votes for a given poliitical party. So, when you want to blame a group for being "racist" or "sexist" or "anti LGBTQ(whatever other leters we're supposed to asdd here now)", take a look at hollywood and the politicians you see them hobnobing with.

...ok...good for hollywood...

i'm sorry, i don't quite understand what you mean to say with your response. what do political party affiliations even have to do with this? they were never even brought up here???

Political candidates are constantly brought up here. I have noticed, here and namy other places, one group (and members of that gorup) gets a free pass on anything they do, up to and including blatant ___ism, while the other is vilified whether they do/say anything or not.

To clarify, my point was to those people who want to see some kind of change, to quit screaming about a sca[egoat, and try looking for where the perceived problem is actually coming from. (Hint: if you keep looking at and blaming some schmuck who is not even a serious political contender, yu are looking in the wrong place; you are better off looking at the ones who are established and entrenched, and have a strong following in the places where the shows are made, in particular the shows people are griping about.

Dragonfly82 wrote:If you are not glad on what happened on The 100 and so I think you could take time from it, I used to watch The Big Bang Theory also The Pretty Little Liars. Things which was bothering me about it and it was causing more frustration. It's not worth it. I am glad I stopped watching them it's not gonna get better after this.

Save yourself time and start a new show. You should not waste your time anymore.

Well Dragonfly, I want to give a compliment on your post, buy everything that comes to mind leaves me comparing your post to a majority of others posts I've seen here, and I want to avoid lumping this in with those. So, please just accept that I was impressed by this post.

Skyzy wrote:I only watched Sleepy Hollow but I stopped at the beginning of this season and was going to binge it after the season was over. Not anymore. From what I've gathered, the lead actress, Nicole Beharie, had what sounds like a similar experience to the Ricky Whittle situation. She quit and they killed her off in an extremely distasteful manner, reducing her character to a prop for a white man's path to sainthood.

The Vampire Diaries - I've never watched but they killed off their only two LGBTQ in a murder-suicide (double-suicide?).

Arrow - I also don't watch but they killed off Laurel Lance in some sort of abhorrent/offensive way, too.

ok so is the CW controlled by the governments of North Carolina, and other anti-gay state governments?

Lol even the academic world (in this case the Harvard Political Review) took notice of this phenomenon. What do you think, who will be the last to acknowledge that there is something seriously wrong with the representation of minorities on TV? Any ideas?

Lol even the academic world (in this case the Harvard Political Review) took notice of this phenomenon. What do you think, who will be the last to acknowledge that there is something seriously wrong with the representation of minorities on TV? Any ideas?

Guys, this is all about marketing. The majority of people in Hollywood are liberals who statistically do not tend to hold racist or homophobic beliefs, but at the end of the day, they will prioritize what they think they can market. They may avoid LGBT representation because they want to make sure that straight people (the majority) will be comfortable. It's the same thing with race. They think a white male is simply more marketable than a POC or LGBT person.

What many of these people don't understand is that diverse representation makes a show more interesting. Mad Max Fury Road was more interesting with it's strong, middle aged, female protagonist. The Walking Dead is more interesting with it's POC and LGBT diversity. Not only is representation the right thing to do, but it's also more marketable than they think it is.

@FloaterJ that's basically like saying "run before you walk." I am assuming the scapegoat you are referring to are the 100 and Jason rothenberg, but correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously, yes, the "perceived problem" of killing minorities with blatant disregard to their viewer base is not stemming solely from the 100 or jr; they are merely cogs in a bigger machine, the bigger machine being the entire entertainment industry at the moment. Likewise, the networks are perpetuating the problem by allowing these to be shown. No one is saying they aren't as culpable for the 100's issues as the 100 itself (and by extension, jr). Whatever you may think, people have recognized this fact. So I assume that their philosophy is this: to change the machine for the better, you have to replace and remove its faulty parts. The 100 is, to them, one of those parts. It is certainly not a scapegoat.

@Whitewalker000, truer words have never been spoken. Hollywood is a business and businesses need to make a profit. They assume the most profit they can make is sticking to the status quo bc, well, it's served them well up to this point. But like you said, audiences are changing, and some of that "profit" is now trickling into other demographics that are being ignored.

What many of these people don't understand is that diverse representation makes a show more interesting. Mad Max Fury Road was more interesting with it's strong, middle aged, female protagonist. The Walking Dead is more interesting with it's POC and LGBT diversity. Not only is representation the right thing to do, but it's also more marketable than they think it is.

And this is why this current movement might actually make a difference this time around. The fans are telling Hollywood that they've had enough and refuse to put up with outdated and (particularly in The 100's case) racist and homophobic ideology. They're getting even more organized, trends are still ongoing, articles are still being written, other fandoms are joining in, mainstream media has picked up on it so it's no longer relegated to the "entertainment" sections.

This has always been so much bigger than "just a TV show," especially when all the other shows are re-enforcing exactly what started the initial outrage: poor and negative representation of minorities on TV. The 100 simply became the poster child for everything wrong in the TV Industry.

Now, the latest Industry threat is to remove ALL representation as some form of punishment for people speaking out against bad representation and oppression, which just makes them look even more petty, insecure, and vindictive.

All that they would need to do is diversify their writers' room. If you're going to write female, LGBTQ, and POC characters, then please have some people on staff who are female, LGBTQ, and POC and listen to them when they tell you you're doing it wrong. That's it! Problem solved!

I think it was this thread where we were discussed how some sponsors pulled out or at least said they will pull out. Now there is an article on the topic, where the author emphasizes that Maybelline did not actually cut the funds.

"In a Twitter post made in mid-March, the company said it decided “to no longer advertise on that show,” in response to a follower who asked the company to stop sponsoring the program.

Since that time, however, Maybelline has removed a small handful of tweets that suggested it continued to protest the series. Behind the scenes, according to a person familiar with the situation, the beauty advertiser moved a single 30-second ad slated to run in “The 100” elsewhere on the CW’s schedule. The company did not pull any of its ad dollars from the network, this person said.

To be sure, Maybelline’s statements energized a fan base. And it remains unclear if the company will allow its commercials to return to the series."

Well, yes, "it's nothing personal, it's business" would be the most suitable (and expected) reply from any sponsors regarding any controversy really... But then someone, in this thread, was talking about that it's all about the money, so if we make the networks, sponsors and industry see that there is an untapped potential in treating minorities equally, then perhaps they will be more willing to comply with our demands!? Which is fair and equal treatment and representation. Is it really too much to ask? If it is, that's mind-blowing, and as the Swedes would say, "it's not very 2016 of them"...

There is a new article from the Aussie tabloid newspaper, Herald Sun, written by Alice Clarke (lol and that's her real name...) and it focuses on/takes into consideration almost all minorities, not only LGBT+.

"FOR each minority group, there is one thing that Hollywood completely buggers up. If Asian people are ever going to be a main character, they will be played by a white person. African Americans are there to be the sidekick that will probably die to motivate the hero.

Gay men are sassy, sexless and great at shopping.

And lesbians are there to give the show diversity points before catching a stray bullet.

But something interesting has been happening: the new wave of baby lesbians is demanding better representation, and it’s getting harder for Hollywood to ignore them.

No character should be immune to TV deaths, but killing off nearly a third of all characters of one variety does seem a bit extreme."

Honestly it doesn't really add anything new to the discussion, yet it's always nice to see a new article from a new news outlet reflecting on Hollywood's and the industry's behaviour. The more coverage, the more noise we generate, the better!

Noooo way. It must be fake, even though I wish it'd be true, but it has to be fake. JR would never cut voluntarily his own (and only) leg that he is currently balancing on. I mean (harcore) Bellarkes are more or less the only ones who are still supporting the show. He would never approve a line like that, that's like suicide for him!

Noooo way. It must be fake, even though I wish it'd be true, but it has to be fake. JR would never cut voluntarily his own (and only) leg that he is currently balancing on. I mean (harcore) Bellarkes are more or less the only ones who are still supporting the show. He would never approve a line like that, that's like suicide for him!

well, between lindsey asking fans if they REALLY want bellarke, and other leaks saying that clarke puches bellamy after he apperntly, for some reson, tries to kiss her, and now this.... i dont know, but if this reallly would be real, i guess clexa shippers would be the first ones to know, dont you think???

and lets be honest, clexa AND bellarke in the same season??? i never liked clarke and bellamy as a couple, not even before lexa came along, but putting both ships in the same season, which is supposet to not be about teen drama? just doesnt add up..... also, if it werent for the bellarke shippers, or at least SO many of them, bellarke would never happen and bellamy would die in s2, i guarentee it. but since, yeah, bellarke shippers are the only thing thats still somewhat viewers of the show, bellamy is still around. but honestly, i hope they dont happen. this show has become only one of many i watch now, and i no longer have any craving or anticipation for it, but i am sticking with it, to see waht happens next... and i plan to keep watching up until the moment bellarke happens.... so plaese note this, the same seconf bellarke kiss, unless they dont like it or clarke turns bellamy down cold, i stop watching...... sorry, thi has nothing to do with lexa, but i never saw bellarke, in fact, in ep12, where clarke runs to him, all i saw was clarke running for her life and bellamy just happened to be the first person she saw, and needed a moment to catch her breath because of the red smoke and thats why she leaned on him..... sorry, but thats all i saw in that clip.....

eh. maybe. again, i do think that clarke saying "bellamy's like the brother i never had" is feasible...look, my view on bellarke is, bellamy has some form of romantic feelings for clarke, but clarke doesn't reciprocate them at all. do i deny their close bond? no. but i really think it's purely platonic from clarke's side.

the rumor floating around is that clarke needed to "feel something" to get out of the city of light, so bellamy kisses her and then she wakes up and punches him. barf.

but all that being said, let's be real: bellarke is probably going to happen in s4. frankly, i will be beyond disgusted if it happens any time earlier.

Sparkstoaflame wrote:yeah but there are two versions of that thing going around: that, and something like "bellamy's like the brother i never had" so i mean...

if something along those lines did get said i'm gunning for "bellamy's like the brother i never had." until then, who knows.

That brings up an interesting point. Why would Clarke use "brother" when none of the rest of the Sky People have siblings except for Bellamy and Octavia? That'd be like Lexa telling Titus to go float himself or something. She has no context for the meaning behind the words.

^They're the ones trying to copyright the slogan, right? There are a lot of things wrong with that pledge but one of them is that the people who put it out there are such a tiny portion of the fandom and they're ignoring half of the problems (like mistreatment of other minorities) that the rest, the majority, of the fandom is upset about. It makes the pledge little more than an LGBTQ-directed marketing campaign for directors and writers. "Look, my name is on the pledge! Come watch my movie/show!"

and yeah, i do partially agree that it's a stunt. they're drawing attention to this cause, yes, but they're also drawing positive attention to themselves, the writers/showrunners/producers, which makes it lowkey difficult for the movement to address the shortcomings of others bc it's like "ok, why are you attacking those on your side?"

Sparkstoaflame wrote:...makes it lowkey difficult for the movement to address the shortcomings of others bc it's like "ok, why are you attacking those on your side?"

It forces the rest of the fandom to agree with their hijacking of the movement while "protecting" anyone who signs the pledge to get away with whatever they want because, look! their name is on the pledge so they got approval to kill the queer from someone gay. Shady and manipulative, just like JR.

exactly. from what i heard, this was something that wasn't talked about beyond the people behind lgbt fans deserve better. they weren't entitled to speak for the entire mvmt, yet they did so anyway. it was backhanded manipulation at its finest.

Let the pledge people do their thing completely seperate. At this point, the best idea is to just give them the "LGBT Fans Deserve Better" and point out that the rest of the movement is intersectional so they don't want it anyway. The rest of the movement should focus their attention on including ALL minorities to differentiate them and truly make a difference instead of the same old LGBTQ song and dance.

All fighting them is going to do is divide the fandom further and reduce the impact already being made. Ignore them and create two separate movements: theirs and one for all minorities.

I'm a Bellarke shipper, or at least I used to be, in season 1 and 2 I thought they had great chemistry and were a good balance for each other. But season 3 has kind of shut that down for me, not just because of how Bell and Clarke have changed, but also because I agree that having Bellarke and Clexa so close together would be even more insensitive than The 100 has been all season.

All fighting them is going to do is divide the fandom further and reduce the impact already being made. Ignore them and create two separate movements: theirs and one for all minorities.

Indeed, though who has the time the organize a separate movement? Anyone? Volunteers?

good luck :/// what it seems to me is right now everyone influential in the mvmt is mostly focused on getting better rep for lgbt* as opposed to all minorities. they seem to care, but lgbt* is and always will be their primary goal. i can't blame them for that, because this did technically sprout out of lexa's death as opposed to anyone else's, but they need to be more intersectional: 1) poc rep right now is as abysmal as lgbt* rep and if you're going to go after the vices of one, go after the exact same vices of the other; 2) i mean, they could curry more support that way too, i guess.

All fighting them is going to do is divide the fandom further and reduce the impact already being made. Ignore them and create two separate movements: theirs and one for all minorities.

Indeed, though who has the time the organize a separate movement? Anyone? Volunteers?

They were already doing it. Long and short of it, there are three segments to the movement: twitter, tumblr, and Lchat. Lchat is by far the smallest segment but they're the ones in charge of the Trevor Project and I believe it was them who were invaded by Shawna Benson?

There have always been problems with Lchat and everyone else involved and they've screwed up a couple of WW twitter trends because of it. I won't go into details, but Lchat has basically been trying to take control of the movement even though they're the smallest group within the movement and practically no one agrees with their narrowminded focus (*cough*white feminism*cough*)

In the meantime, the tumblr and twitter parts of the fandom have been holding elections to form a joint board between the two platforms for disseminating information and trends and keeping people motivated (and a bunch of other movement related stuff). They're intersectional and have the majority of the fandom on their side, especially since they were voted in. They should keep doing what they're already doing and simply ignore Lchat and the pledge. Lchat speaks only for Lchat and no one else.

what it seems to me is right now everyone influential in the mvmt is mostly focused on getting better rep for lgbt* as opposed to all minorities.

If that's what this is turning into on all sides, then it's their own faults when this fails, because it will fail. I called the failure of this show at 3x04. I'm calling the failure of this movement the second they drop the other minorities and become yet another steaming pile of white feminism.

The industry won yet again. Bravo. Nothing accomplished. I might as well stop watching TV now because there's not going to be anything good on for the next 20 years.

what i'm saying is that this would need to be constantly brought up to whoever is in charge. they care about minority rep (exhibit a: trends) a hell of a lot more than lchat does, so they'll listen. the job would be to get them to act on it. (last i heard, i think one of the people were looking into poc stats for the boards.)

I really hope you're right and that's what I've thought was happening. Now, I'm just worried they're going to get caught up in the Lchat business and forget their original purpose: better representation for ALL minorities.

Another major problem with this pledge is that it goes against everything that we appreciated Javi G-M for. He sat and listened to the outcry and he promised to do better but you know what else he did? He said he has to earn our trust. That's what all these people signing the pledge and anyone who thinks the pledge means anything are missing. TRUST HAS TO BE EARNED.