Canon EOS RP vs EOS 6D Mark II: Which is right for you?

Introduction

Years back, Canon released the EOS 6D as its basic, 'entry-level' full frame DSLR to sit below the pro-oriented 5D-series. Not surprisingly, that was a recipe for success, with the 6D and follow-up 6D Mark II proving to be quite popular with all kinds of photographers.

But now we have the EOS RP, a new entry-level offering that is even more affordable and portable than the 6D's that came before it. So how do they compare for various kinds of shooting? Here's what we'll be covering – click the link to hop straight to the section of your choice.

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An SL1 is a better choice than either for travel or street. Small, great battery life, great IQ, small good, affordable EF-S lenses such as the 10-18mm , 24mm F2.8 stm, 35mm F2.8 and you can put the old nifty fifty on it too. Spend money saved on a great trip :) Even a simple 9 point dslr AF system won't let you own.

I agree with you all. Mirrorless just isn't there yet. Getting pretty close, except in terms of matching DSLR ergonomics. The whole "small and light" synonymy with mirrorless needs to stop. Never mind small and light, just make them good solid efficient tools like DSLRs. Plus, FF MILC being more expensive than their DSLR "equivalents" just doesn't fly. Won't be too long before MILC is advantageous likely in all aspects (unless one prefers OVF). But not yet...

For me, the big advantage of DSLR is battery life. I see why some would prefer an optical viewfinder but I don't (although I do miss not being able to frame something when the camera is off, quirky behavior I know).

In regards to size, IMO, there is an advantage for street photography if you shoot primes. A mirroless with a small prime is a more effective street camera (I can carry my xt2 in my pocket with a 28mm lens). Once you get into the larger glass the fact that the body is smaller almost feels like a disadvantage.

Canon 6Dii sells at a higher price right now, and probably because it has a lot more features: more fps, great for fast photography, OVF which appeals to many people, bigger grip for handling, top LCD for seeing settings quickly, plus most of the RP features except for: focus points spread out with a few more points, and cropped 4K which although its there, it is not overly useful for pros at 24fps only, no 30fps, no 60fps. 6Dii is more a pro or semi pro camera, RP is more consumer with stripped features in a compact size. Add lens or EF adapter (is using EF lenses) and not so compact anymore.

Yup...mirrored cameras are gonna ALL disappear. I remember back in the 1970s when oil reached the unimaginable heights of $4 a barrel. It marked the end of large gas guzzling cars and trucks. Yet there are still huge pickups like the F-150 used to drive 2 blocks for a can of coke and a lot of massive SUVs around. HMMM.

There are plenty of disadvantages to mirrored cameras. As the bodies are often smaller, this can result in less capable tech. Lower fps in Canon mirrorless, less battery life, not as ergonomic or comfortable to hold - example Sony mirrorless, not as much room for mechanical inbody stabilization so Canon omits it for example. The top DSLRs will still be used by demanding pros for sports photos, fast action, and all day event shooters like the 5D4 and D750 and D850. Both mirror and non mirror will exist for years to come. Predictions and reality can be different. Mirrorless are just gaining popularity, but are not the leading tech for lots of pros, such as sports or event shooters.Also Rebels with kit lenses just keep selling in consumer group.

@philmar There were high commodity prices then there were low commodity prices. Not sure how what you are talking about relates. A better example would be a tech advancement like fuel injection or disk brakes.

too many negative comments around dpr. most people here are only interested in the latest and greatest tech. ive used both sony and canon (love both) and im actually tempted by the RP cause of its lightweight and extremely low introductory pricing. the face focus looks surprisingly good enough to cope with my energetic baby (at least i hope). i would think majority of consumers live on a tight budget like me. just wished canon had more affordable native lens options for the RP. granted the 35/1.8 is a very good first lens release. hope canon follows up with a 24/1.8 (or 24/2) and a 50/1.8 with similar IS and macro capabilities.

I was reading this article and the comments yesterday. As a 6D mark ii owner, I feel hurt by all those bashing and wanted so much to input my own comment and "fight back". While I was typing, my daughter asked me to company her to play in the park. I brought my 6D mark ii and took a couple of photos of her. I came back home and looked at the results, which reminded me that 6D mark ii is a very capable camera and it produces good images for me. I eventually realized that I don't have to prove anything to anyone about my camera decision, and I will not fight canon or anyone's spec war. I bought my 6D mark ii to take pictures and it does the job very well.

Just want to share a small story of an amateur photographer, I am sure the professionals shall find the spec much more important.

True. I never denied the exist of many better cameras. What I wanted to say is that the investment decision don't have to be defended or proven to others. But somehow on this site, defending own investment/brand seems to be important, and many good photographers seem to be passionate about it.

I really don't understand the point of a small camera with an adapter and a huge lens. Why bother getting a small body if there aren't many small lenses for it?

The RP could benefit greatly if Canon produced some small f/2.8 prime lenses. Remember, this camera has a full frame sensor. An f/2.8 lens should be fast enough. And then perhaps a few f/4-5.6 zoom lenses too.

Pentax has several pancake lenses that can cover a full frame sensor. If Pentax can do it, then Canon certainly can. Hopefully, Canon is planning to give us a few small, light and cheaper lenses for their budget full frame MILC camera.

If Canon can produce 2 pancake lens for 80D and 77D etc. in 24mm f2.8 stm and 40mm f2.8 stm, then full frame RP should not be a problem to keep lens small and develop a version for consumers and prosumers.

Agree, except for galleries. Articles should be coherent, continuous and constructed. Slide shows are a cop-out that seems to be an instrument for those with a short attention span (both writers and readers).

LookintotheMirrorlessoften - please explain your metaphor, are you suggesting that canon cameras are disabled? If so please explain in what way. The most disabling aspect of any disability are the social attitudes of others who seek to construct attitudes and values that treat individuals as a unitary category in a devaluing way. You also make no allowance for the person who may or may not be very talented and rely less on the notional idea that gear is the key to success.

The vast majority of cameras at the Paralympics will be Canon ones. Also at the Olympics, the Super Bowl, the World Cup and the Open Championship. At any major sporting event in the world Canon cameras will record the bulk of the images published in the media.

We can all play the speculation game, my speculation is that things will be about the same in 2040. Why I think that is because Sony has put a huge effort in to building very good cameras like the A9 etc but that has not substantially changed the overall market share.Second pro photographers don’t waste their time on forums arguing about how good their preferred camera is or petty differences in scores and rankings. The brief is chose a tool that delivers according to requirement. Any modern FF can do that. So why bother fixing what is not broken?

As incredibly disappointed as I am with Canon's R and RP overall, I will say that the buttons and dials on both are nice (ignore the MFn Bar). They have a good feel to them and bury, BURY, Sony for feel. Both need a lot more buttons and dials though. And the R actually feels quite nice in the hand, though still a little too small. The RP is straight-up "toy small" like all other stupid current mirrorless cameras. And the Nikon Z is right about the same tiny size as the RP.

6D vs. RP? Easy. If you want a good shooting experience, go with the 6D. If you want to use RF lenses, get the RP.

@entoman- if you are willing to use a less well corrected prime or a slower one, you can get a small lens. The laws of optics dictate the size of the lenses. Electronics can be made more compact. But you can’t change how light rays bend.

"Small compact bodies need small compact lenses"Which is precisely why I'll wait until Canon release a mirrorless APS-C body, as they surely will. In the past, I almost clicked "Buy now" on a couple of L series lenses, but their price and weight made no sense. Now that the R lenses are even more stupidly expensive and huge, I'll certainly never buy one.

@Reactive @entomanMaybe you haven't noticed, but Canon released plenty of EOS M cameras since 2012. Making an R-mount APS-C body and special lenses for it is absolutely pointless. There won't be any small crop L lenses.

ecka - Yes the EOS-M system is in many ways more suited to those who want a compact outfit.

Canon have already dropped heavy hints in interviews that they may introduce an APS version. In its favour would be the fact that a given angle of view could be obtained with a lens of shorter focal length, and therefore lighter weight and probably cheaper cost.

The idea of the RF is to provide FF image quality in a simple, cheap and compact body. Issuing *only* heavy high grade glass is counter to this aim.

Camera/lens combos should as far as possible be balanced. Large lenses on the RP don't make sense, as they make the camera front-heavy, and are priced out of all proportion to the body. The body is small, light and "cheap", and it needs lenses with similar properties, if it is to become a big seller.

@entoman - I agree with you that the shorter flange back distance (mount dia is the same as EF) allows designers more flexibility. You can use that to make a smaller size lens of the same optical quality as an EF lens, or a better corrected one that may be heavier and larger. Canon seems to have done the latter. The 35mm f/1.8 is a possible exception.

@entomanYes, it doesn't make much sense to me either. I mean those big, heavy, professional RF L lenses on small, consumer camera body.But it doesn't mean that we need to go APS-C for smaller size. That's a silly non-logic and stupidity. Equivalent optics are the same size on both formats. All I want are some decent, new, compact FF F1.8/F2/F2.8 RF primes and a proper reasonably priced camera with modern features (or at least cutting down the EOS R price by $500-600). There's absolutely no need for EOS M remake.

It’s nice to have the option but taking a cross systems view most fast lenses are big. Some of the more recent G master, or Sigma art, even Olympus pro are substantially bigger than their slower counterparts.

As a regular reader on DO reviews there are frequent cries for smaller, lighter bodies and fast glass, now we have them and some complain?

I believe Canon will drop the M line. It has been a testbed for their mirrorless work, but there are infinitely more EF and EF-S lenses out there than M series. The M lineup is an odd range that doesn't provide the complete niche-filling and market saturating roles of the full lineup of x000D, x00D, x0D and xD APS-C bodies. Canon need to fill every niche. They spent time upgrading the EF-S lenses to STM focusing, so now perhaps they'll release some new RF-S lenses to go with a new APS-C body range.

I'm focused on finding a great travel camera with built-in GPS.It's a paradox that the 6dmk2 has GPS but is bulky and heavy (because of an "old" design") and the RP is compact lightweight which is great for travel but it's missing GPS.

Could not care less for GPS in a camera. Just download your images and name the folder what country you visited. Although for professional travel photographers this would be useful. Perhaps for consumers who want to know the name of the small town they visited in the foreign country this may be useful. I am just not one of them. This camera is limited in features, so you have an upgrade path to a newer one in the future with more features. Take notes on a small pad when you go travelling. Always a workaround if the desire to buy this RP camera is there.

Adrian there's a huge point, but you're missing it.the point is not remembering the name of that small town I visited 8 years ago.is the opposite.I remember the name of the small town and I want to type that name on Google Photo and have the pictures shown in a matter of seconds. literally. on my laptop/smartphone/tablet.I can figure that if someone doesn't even know about such an experience can't aim for it.and I don't want to work on folders organization and manual picture geotagging.Rickard, GPS is drawing little juice, I don't believe is relevant compared with the energy used for shooting pictures but it's there.I'm happy to bring at least two batteries for my camera and at the end of the day I'm ok with shooting (and GPS).

@mattz10 buy a k1. It has GPS for the same price used as the RP and I cannot think of a reason why it would not fulfill any need of any photographer. They only thing the k1 does not have is fantastic autofocus for shooting a formula1 race or hummingbird track meet. For travel, it is fine. How much smaller do you need really when you put a huge lens on it. The pentax limited lenses are fantastic, and tiny. Oh, it has IBIS, which you can use on any old lens you want

@suave yes I do. Just visit the Ricoh Imaging page if you fancy a new lens for your K1. Plenty there that will fit your camera if you dont want to play around with old lenses. Pentax is still making new lenses also, maybe you didnt know this? But they are

FWIW, you can use a location tracking feature in the canon connect app that uses your phone’s gps data to log photo locations on the camera when paired. It can drain your phone battery but it works just fine.

And this is not about Canon only all the other camera apps has similar reviews.Can I go through this while I'm travelling?Absolutely no.

And tomorrow I will change phone, and will update my OS version, and then I change the camera.And more, if this would work anytime, I need to remember to connect it every time!This approach has been going on for a few years now, it's time to face it: camera picture geotagging in pairing with the smartphone is a great failure.

The way I see it is that mattz10 wants GPS built-in. It's a feature he wants. I feel every camera should have GPS built-in. It's not expensive or space-robbing to include it. Those that don't want the battery drain or just don't use the feature can simply disable it. Relying on phone apps to send GPS data to the camera sucks, and that uses phone battery and camera battery (WiFi or Bluetooth on the camera) as well.

Manufacturers just want you using their app so they can spy on you and monetize you. Screw that. I wan't GPS on the camera...

Gee, i really don't know. I believe the 7D has/had GPS. The D5200 has it. I'm not aware of any FF cameras with it from canon or Nikon. I haven't looked into it but i know built-in GPS is truly rare in the latest cameras. Damn shame... 😕

Looks like the k1 and the 6d are the only ones new that are under 2G and have GPS. Or a used alpha 99. OP should just get one of these, and a small lens. It will be heavier, but not actually more awkard than the eos RP due to the lens. Neither the RP or a 6D/K1 will be coat pocket able with a zoom lens.

The k1/6d might have the edge in overall size vs. the RP actually as there are pancake lenses available for both. But in order to use the 40mm pancake lens on the RP you need the EF adapter. The pentax limited 40mm pancake lens is ultra tiny and fantastic. After considering the smallest lens you could get for the camera, a k1 may work out to the shallowest from front of lens to rear screen.

I agree with OP assessment of GPS. If that is a feature you want at least sometimes, get a camera with it included. Why do extra work.

What's the bid deal with geotagging anyway? I understand if you are doing things like surveys, or photographing evidence in accident investigations, but for leasure shooting, why the overwhelming need to have it?

@suave because its nice to have. Heck, we have cameras full of a million features we dont really need. Geotagging a photo is at least practical for some people.

I would use it all the time on canoe trips, or when you are out driving around on backroads. When you have traversed and area the size of france in your jeep driving around all summer taking photos, its not exactly easy to remember exactly where you were when you took it, nor do you always have cell service (I assume GPS works without cell service?).

This is why the pentax K1 has GPS. Its weather sealed and made to be used like this.

mattz10, why not just get the 6D2? I take it you want Canon because you're invested in Canon lenses, or intend to be, as opposed to starting, or being tied to, the Pentax system? Certainly not saying there's anything wrong with Pentax.

Really? After a good in-depth comparison it comes down to beginners being able to judge exposure, WB, and focus with an EVF? The 6DII supports all that with its back LCD as well, but that's not equally good somehow?

The many advantages of the DSLR including weather-sealing, vastly superior battery life, much better ergonomics, a top LCD, an NFC option, AF working at f/8, AF working with fast-moving distant objects, better AF control during video, better burst rate, no viewfinder lag, are summarised as "robust battery life, a comfortable grip and plentiful lens options."

In contrast, the RP summary includes "very good Dual Pixel AF system" ignoring the latter's downsides compared to the 6DII (as listed above). Yes, the RP is a bit smaller but a 280g weight advantage shrinks to a 64g weight advantage once an adapter and the recommended "couple of spare batteries" are included. Given the size of the RP's lenses, the small body is much more an ergonomic liability than an advantage.

BTW, if the RP is said to support GPS "in some form", it would only be fair to state that the 6DII also supports USB charging "in some form".

Using a USB charger has the advantage that one can use the camera while charging a spare battery in the car, for instance. USB charging support on a camera sounds convenient but implies that the camera is unavailable for normal use during charging.

Uncoy - A lot of people find Canons stylish, but it's obviously a matter of personal taste. As you've given me examples of what you think are stylish (=cosmetically attractive) and ugly cameras, I'll do the same:

Not sure how the Canon EOS-R snuck on to your list but otherwise I more or less agree with you. I cited a particular Hasselblad and don't even know what the rest of them look like. I particularly cited the Pen and you're right about the rest of Olympus's line.

I don't find Canon cameras attractive to look at. I do find Nikon cameras attractive to look at. Fuji and Sony are pretty in a nostalgic way, but they lack the look of a modern functional photographic tool.

The way I see it is that Nikons appeal to me in the way that Ferraris appeal to me; artistic form following true real all-out performance. Canon, purely all-out performance without a sensual appearance; along the lines of Lamborghini.

Which is a bit of a paradox in that Canons are more curvy than Nikons, and Ferraris are more curvy than Lamborghinis. But to me, Canons don't make me desire to hold them whereas Nikons do. Likewise Lamborghinis, while bad-ass, don't call out to me to drive them as much as Ferraris do.

It's interesting to read that neither of these cameras is recommended for serious landscape photographers, because other options have better resolution and dynamic range. Yet 10-15 years ago professional landscape photographers somehow managed to take stunning photos with cameras that were relatively primitive compared to either of these. Could it be that the ability to take good photos might have more to do with the skill of the photographer than the specs of the camera?

@entoman,no kidding! It's just coping mechanism from another disenfranchised Canon clergyman. Everytime Canon comes up with yet another yawner you get an outpouring of 'camera doesn't matter' comments. LOL

photomedium - Well, as a happy Canon user for the last 8 years, I tried to steer away from that issue and present my argument as a generalisation! :-)

I love my Canon gear for the ergonomics and optics, but the dynamic range could be, shall we say, better! At high ISO Sony have a clear 1.5 - 2 stops advantage over Canon in DR, and in RAW noise levels.

My 5DS is virtually unusable above ISO 1600. My 5DMkiv is a lot better, but can't hold a light to a D850.

The only thing holding back my decision to buy an RP or 6Dii is the dynamic range. The iso advantage it there no doubt. I will hold on to my 24mp sensor in both my m6 small body and my 77D which have same sensor as 80D. This has much better dynamic range. And with fast glass I can improve iso ability. Apsc is not dead if it can perform well, and it still outsells FF anyway among consumers and prosumers and extra body for pros. Fast glass can improve low light, however dynamic range cannot be improved easily from blowing out highlights or losing detail in shadows. The new 24mm sensor from 80D, 77D and m6 is much better than older 18mp and great images to 1600 iso and even higher.

Adrian-Van - I don't think you'd find any appreciable difference in image quality between 80D, 6DMkii or RP, unless you commonly shoot at ISO 800 or above, where the FF cameras would have a noise advantage.

The 80D handles better than either the RP or the 6DMkii. It also has faster burst speed, and offers a narrower angle of view (with the same lens), which is often advantageous.

My advice, if you want to stay with Canon would be either stick with your 80D, or upgrade to a 5DMkiv, which is a superb camera in all respects.

If you only have a couple of lenses and are willing to switch systems, go for the Nikon D500, which is by far the best APS camera on the market. If you want the best image quality and don't mind Sony ergonomics, go for the a7iii.

@LO, dude, laws of physics have changed. It’s much harder to catch photons today hence you need a better camera. In the old days they would just march into the camera, nice and orderly. But today it’s like the May Day Riots, photons everywhere, smashing into things, things getting broken, and frankly the camera is just a photon policeman, desperately trying to get order.

@entoman Try some DxO PhotoLab Prime Noise reduction (set low at 12, not the 40 default) on your 5DS photos at 3200 and 6400 ISO. Like a brand new camera. I have a 5DS R and shoot 6400 ISO all the time for night soccer and the photos turn out great with PhotoLab (and not so well with anything else due to difficult chroma noise).

@IR1234 I am trying to picture my last landscape shot - a rather peaceful scene in Maligne Lake - as a kind of chaotic photon riot with my 5D Mark IV desperately trying to bring order. For sure my Rebel would have failed.

@entoman: Your assessment is very fair. For my next guide camera for astrophotography, I will be getting one that uses a Sony sensor - an IMX 174.

Photomedium - I see your back on a canon thread characteristically and generally criticising canon cameras, their users and also personally attacking anyone who challenges your viewpoint with your signature insincere LOL.You have no apparent interest in canon and stalk other people’s posts for any opportunity to deride and poke fun at people. It’s hard to not to conclude that you are other than an unpleasant troll.

the RP 1080P video quality is much better than the 6DMk2. I know because I own both cameras. There is detail in far away objects where the 6D2 has a mushy look to distance objects. Building trees that sort of stuff.

Average in specifications and performance definitely, but somehow more appealing to the average buyer than other brands.

It's hard to put a finger on it. Most people fairly quickly adapt to a new brand once they make the switch, but some brands just seem to feel "right" in the hands, and have appealing styling, while others just don't have that same user-friendliness.

If I looked only at spec sheets and reviews, I'd never consider a Canon, despite the name, because Nikon, Sony, Fujifim and Pentax are usually better specified and often perform better.

But when it comes to actually picking up a camera, handling it and using it on a daily basis for real world photography, and looking at the images produced, it doesn't matter how tempting other cameras are, I always come back to Canon.

I hear you. The first camera I picked up was a Canon for exactly the reasons that you mention. Which makes you wonder, why can't Nikon and Sony simplify their menus and make their cameras as user friendly as Canon. I have to say, Fuji is about the easiest camera to pick up, and one of the most fun to use. But Nikon? Sony?

KEnrique - As it happens I just happen to have a borrowed Nikon D850 here in front of me, so I've had a chance to compare it with my trusty 5DMkiv and 5DS.

It's all very odd. The first thing that struck me was that the control positions of the Nikon are more logical than on my Canons, although on the Canons they are smoother and have better "feel". I played for a while, picking up each camera in turn and operating all the controls.

At the end, despite the arguably more logical control layout, better specifications and better image quality of the Nikon, I still found the Canons much more enjoyable to hold and operate. And while the image quality is a bit lower than the Nikon, it's more than adequate for my needs (although better RAW noise control at high ISO would make a major benefit).

Hi Entoman, Yeah, if only Canon would put some Sony sensors on their top models like they do on their little GX7II... What amazing cameras they would be... I like the D850 quite a bit, but I still fight it. Canon makes so much sense. Fuji does as well (the X-T3 was so much fun to use until I saw the files and I was like, what do you mean you cannot see the faces of people a hundred yards away?!?!? - We do get a little spoiled with the 5DS... ) Don't tell anyone but I did a newborn photoshoot with the D850, litterally the second photo I took with the camera, and I was like, why is the focusing point NOT moving??? After taking a whole bunch of photos with the baby right in the middle of the frame I told the couple I needed to have a short break and ran to my room to read the manual... Why on earth does the camera have a focus point lock?????? I guess it is just the Nikon way... If they can make it more complicated, they will...

KEnrique - Yes, Canon must realise that they just can't match Sony's sensor technology, and it would be wonderful if they put Sony sensors in their hiend cameras, but they seem to have committed themselves to this dual-pixel stuff, and can't swallow their pride and admit that it was the wrong way to go.

KEnrique - Dual-pixel was an interesting avenue to explore, but it seems to have turned into a cul-de-sac for Canon.

I think it was developed *primarily* to make video focus transitions smoother, and worked very well for that, but other brands have found alternative methods of achieving the same result.

The big problem with dual pixel, from what I've read, is that it imposes huge overheads on processing, and Canon just don't have the advanced chips that Sony (and Nikon) have.

That, I think, is what is really holding Canon back. Sony, with their sensor and chip technology were able 2 years ago to produce a 42MP camera with very advanced AF and able to shoot at 10fps. Canon seem to be at least another 2 years away from equalling that sort of performance, by which time Sony will have pulled even further ahead.

I have bought the 6d m2 one week ago. This camera is just the definition of "good enough" in the good way.: great colors, great AF, responsive, good customisation and lenses and accessories from a lot of other manufacturers. A keeper.

This looks to be a good deal for full frame sensor camera that is very compact in the Canon RP. This should appeal to a lot of people. The only ones who may want the R camera or a DSLR would be those that want more speed for sports or fast family action events as RP may not be enough (6D2 is better), or landscape photographers who may want more dynamic range (some highlights risk blowing out in outdoor photos if very sunny - check samples online). Lovely high image quality though in RP, but dynamic range not as good as R camera (better) or Nikon/Sony FF. If not pulling shadows too far or not doing much post work the Canon RP and some good glass will give professional results even in studio work I think. For the price offered this is a reasonable expectation, I think. And video capture looks good for this camera. Currently on the fence on this one. Will wait and see.

Your sitting smack in the "meh" "no mans land" focal range so unless you are working the narrow DOF or lifting shadows 5 stops, your photos will look similar to aunt megs with her iphone (esp in good light).

And for typical family event's it's almost useless (Joey's soccer game, Fred's foot ball game, Jeffy's Ballet Recital, or even chasing kids around the park if you don't want to be sitting on top of your kids taking pictures).

(ref: me, I have a family and everything from 16-300mm covered FF or equivalent. On my full frame body I shoot with my 50 or 100 primes way more than anything else with the family, unless it's sports, then the longer the better).

"I think that’s one big reason they’re unhappy with their shots and why I feel they often describe their own shots to me as “average.” They’re comparing their images to the ones they see the top pros make, and their shots just don’t look like that. They’re not that wide. They’re not that close. They’re not that “something” and they probably don’t realize what it is, which makes it all even more frustrating. That average kit focal length makes it harder (not impossible, but certainly harder) to create really compelling images because it’s harder to “stand out from the crowd.” At those focal lengths, you’re producing the same types of shots everybody else with a kit lens does"

Looking forward to trying out the RP for myself. I've tried the R a couple of times and I really like that camera (I'm also a huge fan of the RF24-105/4 lens too - great piece of optics!). From comparing dozens and dozens of test/sample images over the past couple of weeks, I can see I'll picking up the RP as my next camera.

as a newbie to the dslr world, and spending the last week and a half on youtube, trying to learn all i can about the setting and what this thing can do. yes it was a hand me down 60d canon, i think any other newbie won't drop 1300 on a new camera with out a lens, when ebay and kijiji has good used camera for cheap, and best buy has a couple of canons with lenses for around $500, as for image quality, yes this older camera blows away my phone and the cheap point and shoot i had. i do have a question, why does the 24mm on the 60d, doesn't look as wide as the 24mm on my point and shoot

@tripodcat If I may make a suggestion, do NOT depend on internet "reviews" for the purchase of your camera. Go into a camera store with a memory card and actually USE the cameras you are interested in. Change the lens, change settings, check the focus and how does it feel in your hand. Take the card home and look at the images. I think you will be MUCH happier if you do that to choose a camera. If you check the prices in the store, I bet they are within a few dollars of internet prices so buy local in case you have problems.

Neither. I would not waste a penny on either of these antiquated travesties.If I was a photographer who wanted a professional sensor + functionality, I would buy the Nikon equivalent.If I was a metrosexual who wanted a non-camera, and to create my own useless Youtube presence, I would buy Sony.

Professionals can shoot commercial photographs with lesser, and order specified cameras. If you can’t shoot professional grade images with either of these cameras buying the Nikon or Sony cameras will not save you.As for antiquated, what in the end does that mean when there is no decernable differences in the final images shot on Canon, NIkon or Sony. Looking at spec sheets and saying mine is newer, or more advanced or faster is just another version of mine is bigger for people who wear their cameras like a cod piece rather than round their neck.

I will go for the RP for the compact size, guys if you don't like Canon don't buy it, for me it's not the camera that does the job it's me no matter the brand. 40 years ago when I started there were no Is or BIS or any of this. At the end the camera it's just a tool, if you know how to use and are creative pick the one that you feel the most comfortable with,

Photo medium- Canon is the camera to keep because you know how to make a quality image and do not blame your gear for poor workmanship. You also do not suffer from self doub and a profound insecurity that manifests itself in a need to put others down for their camera choice, or to maintain delusions you are a better and wiser person because you did not buy a canon . I do hope your photographic aesthetic is not as inane as your snide humour, that would be a shameful waste of what ever camera you own.

Photomedia - that’s they trouble with mixing your terms , are you really suggesting that people who use canon cameras have issues , or did you mean me? I would suggest it’s not worth trying to score a weak point when the above is the best you can do. I might add people who poke fun or try to belittle others because of their choices are the folk with the issues. It’s in the nature of projection. I have no issue that you have other views and preferences that differ from me and I can respectfully agree to disagree with you in the event.

Photo medium - still struggling to own your own behaviour, still weakly trying to justify yourself as a ritious commentator and missing the irony of your last remark. This is, and never has been about canon cameras, it’s about you and your misplaced sense of superiority that does you no justice. So you don’t rate canon cameras, fine, but please don’t think that those you do are fair game for junior school playground jibes and taunts. You are simply under estimating a lot of people and over valuing your own ideas.

@George1958for a while it was fun watching my quick one-liners get replied by a series of multi-paragraphs off-topic ramblings and insults. I venture to guess you have a payload of stuff left unsaid in your personal life that you are dropping on the wrong target. I suggest you spare the DPR audience and bring all this up with your health care provider. LOL

Photomedium the fact you consider your one liners fun is likely down to your blind spots in your personal awareness that you are not funny,, apparently not well informed (based on content) and have so far not contributed anything than jibes and taunts. You really dont see that all you have done is treat every canon user as being foolish for buying canon. Given that is likely the largest group of camera users, that’s a lot of people. Now you suggest I need to give DPR a rest? Seriously? As for your other suggestion about my posts, there you go underestimating others once again.

Photomedium - why not have a look at the thin dull inane weakly argued empty headed puerile humour in your posts and reflect, who is the yawner? All you have said is the same thing again and again, you don’t make any substantive points , you have no argument. All you do is personally attack others , you are just a bully, and your not good at that either. It really is time to hang up the emperors cloths.As for my favourite camera, you are not even close.

Canon E17 for RP Batteries are $48.90 at B&H Photo. Or you can buy third party batteries on Amazon.com for "UltraPro 2-Pack batteries of LP-E17" combo with fast USB charger for as little as $23.95 plus 11.95 shipping, if you are okay with buying off brand batteries (some people won't). So $40 total for 2 extra batteries and an extra charger. We are talking about a camera aimed at semi-pros in RP (which also can be used by pros), so having third party batteries should not be an issue with many. Sure, they may not hold as much power but who cares, they also will not damage the camera. I use both Canon batteries and SmilePowo batteries (from Amazon) for a year and no issues on my Canon 77D which uses same battery as RP, and the 3rd party holds at least 80 percent charge capable to expensive Canon E17. The battery level shows up on 77D. This battery also fits the Canon m6 which I also have. Why pay more when it isn't necessary? It is just a power supply.

Mirrorless is compelling. More compact camera if used with primes. However add the native zooms and now a bigger camera. However, the one thing going with mirrorless is the video autofocus points are much more with R and RP which is very useful for liveview in video or photo (liveview). Since RP has a small evf, I imagine a lot of people may use the fast dual pixel autofocus in live-view even for photos much of the time for personal use photos. At a workshop, I saw Sony A7iii users doing strobe light photos with liveview as the eye detect is so good. Canon also has eye detect which can be useful on closeup photos. Does not work as well from longer distance photos.

I'll stick to my 800D + 500 f4 ii combo.Until Canon can come out with a mirrorless camera up to Sony's 2018 standard or Sony a decent and affordable super tele up to Canon's 2013 standard. Likely going to be a loooong wait either way...

Personally, I'd prefer a larger mirrorless, about the size of the 6DII. Maybe then there would be room for more controls, a better grip, and a bigger battery - but the other advantages of mirrorless would be retained. I think that would be a better overall user experience.

I will buy the RP to get access to the superb new RF lenses and to replace my 6d as a light and small travel kit AND get some nifty features such as focus stacking. The RP sensor has proved itself in the 6dii to be very capable in real life photography - I have seen some really superb images from it. The complainers and critics NEVER produce anything but test charts or severely underexposed test scenes to demonstrate their sensor's superior DR. I've said it a 100 times before, but show me an image which was elevated from mediocre to exceptional by pushing an extra stop of shadow detail (which seems to be the only metric the anti-Canon brigade here on dpreview is interested in)

I don't understand the battery life complaints? I bought 5 spare batteries from ebay for my 6d for $9 each.The RP is obviously not a serious sports and wildlife cam, but will excel in travel, people, studio and landscapes.

In the two years I have been using them, one has gone dead after a long period of not using it; but the other 4 are still working fine. I remember there were 2400mAh batteries as well; but I opted for the 1800mAh's

Mr Grapejam - Your pics are pleasant, but they are NOT exceptional.. I do not see anything in your links I could not have done with any FF Canon from 5d onwards. Many of these images seem washed out and lifeless.. I have seen thousands of backlit images with way better colour rendition than yours... You should learn how to use fill flash; you will get way better natural colour.. and while you are at it some composition (specifically body posture and background selection) amongst other things...

Spare me your lecturing (you don't even have a single photo in your gallery), you were not there you do not know how harsh the lightning was, and you pretty much blew yourself as a know nothing, fill flash gives a completely different look from natural light and one that is not exactly popular with today's youth.

And mind you, the albums that I showed you were hardly my best works ;)

This is a fantastic choice for compact use travel use. Batteries are very cheap, no issues there at all. Also good for day to day family use in out and about town. (not so much for sports use, but indoor use should be okay, especially with 35mm f1.8 lens, and the iso is still pretty decent with a kit lens option as 6400 iso looks good and bit beyond. My 77D apsc cameras takes very good 6400 iso this should be even better with RP or 6Dii sensor.

Sorry, I've pushed 2 stops with the 6D (which has better DR than the 6D2) and the colors hold up nowhere near as good as the A7III.

Also, ever heard of "color grading", It is awful in the same way that most skin colors in movies are awful, Sometimes skin colors must be sacrificed to fit the mood of the medium. If the skin tone looks "typical pinkish" then the photo would look completely off.

Time and time again you've shown that you know nothing of the modern photographic world.

Nah, nothing to do with the camera,the skin tone SOOC Jpeg of that pic actually looks pinkish, I changed it so it suits the mood better.

Now go tell Hollywood colorists that the colors in their movies are bad because the skin tones are sacrificed to fit the mood, please Mr. Expert with absolutely no photos, or should I say "gutless keyboard warrior" because that's exactly what you are? ;)

No issues I own Canon m6 with the same batteries as RP. Extra batteries and charger are very cheap even new from third party. Take up little space in a bag with camera. Not a deal breaker. You want a compact camera the batteries have to be smaller than the larger bodies.

The Eos RP would have been interesting if it had a 40 or 50 megapixel sensor. Apart from a few smartphones (which have a different Bayer pattern, which Lightroom doesn't handle well) there are no affordable cameras with more than 30 megapixels.

The EOS RP's problems have nothing to do with resolution. A modern AA-less 26MP sensor would be plenty enough for most applications. Canon just rained down the cripple hammer for no good reason on lot's of little things that wouldn't impact the sales of the EOS R one bit. Why do they continue to make a rod for their back?

EOS 5DsR is quite affordable and the IQ is really great. A much better camera than 5D3 in many ways other than video. Still wish I had that camera.

There is an important aspect with battery-life that I find important. My use case is mostly travel and street photography, and with the battery-life available on DSLRs, I can keep the camera powered on all day. This means that when I see something happening quickly, I don’t have to power the camera on, then wait for the ok to shoot, losing a second or two and miss the shot.

What an amazing headline! "Which one is right for you?" Answer: Neither! I suspect Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, Nikon and Hasselblad users will all feel similar. Where was the equivalent article about ANY other company's cameras? "Panasonic GH5 or G9 - which one is right for you?" "Fuji XT3 or X100 - which one is right for you?" "Olympus OMD EM1MkIII or OMD EM1x - which one is right for you?" Or, for those with favorable finances, "Hasselblad 50MP or 100MP - which one is right for you?" Not only have none of these articles appeared, I bet most people think the idea of any of them is laughable. In my opinion this article about two Canon cameras is just as laughable. What hubris is expressed on behalf of Canon: thinking that one of those two cameras must be right for me.

I'm sure there are plenty of Nikon users here, but they tend less to exhibit the fan-boy mentality of (some) Sony and (some) M43 owners, so they are less likely to respond to trolling or fan-boy threads.

It is not insecurity that made me comment, and of course DPR (and NPR) have freedom of the press. We also all have freedom to express feedback in comments. I wrote that "which one is right for you?" is not a good title. How about "Is one right for you?". I see from the comment above that I missed the Nikon D500 vs D750 - which one is right for you? article. If I had seen that one, I probably would have posted a similar comment back then.

Seems like a full frame M50, which is a great camera. I think the RP's real limiting factor is the lack of a smaller lighter kit lens in RF mount to complement it. A variable aperture 24-105 and/or 24-70 would make a stronger case here.

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