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1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:

[T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”

These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”

Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”

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“They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?

Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”

Why indeed? It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America. There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok. About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division. And is wise to the ways. The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this: it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget. So… why not?

Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way. President Obama has an opportunity, now, to live up to some of his rhetoric by helping the federal government set a noble example in a matter very close to his heart (and that of his Progressive base), one not inimical to the Bill of Rights: gun control. The federal government can (for a nice change) begin practicing what it preaches by controlling itself.

Remember the Sequester? The president is claiming its budget cuts will inconvenience travelers by squeezing essential services provided by the (opulently armed and stylishly uniformed) DHS. Quality ammunition is not cheap. (Of course, news reports that DHS is about to spend $50 million on new uniforms suggests a certain cavalier attitude toward government frugality.)

Spending money this way is beyond absurd well into perverse. According to the AP story a DHS spokesperson justifies this acquisition to “help the government get a low price for a big purchase.” Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center: “The training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.”

At 15 million rounds (which, in itself, is pretty extraordinary and sounds more like fun target-shooting-at-taxpayer-expense than a sensible training exercise) … that’s a stockpile that would last DHS over a century. To claim that it’s to “get a low price” for a ridiculously wasteful amount is an argument that could only fool a career civil servant.

Meanwhile, Senator Diane Feinstein, with the support of President Obama, is attempting to ban 100 capacity magazine clips. Doing a little apples-to-oranges comparison, here, 1.6 billion rounds is … 16 million times more objectionable.

Mr. Obama has a long history of disdain toward gun ownership. According to Prof. John Lott, in Debacle, a book he co-authored with iconic conservative strategist Grover Norquist,

“When I was first introduced to Obama (when both worked at the University of ChicagoLaw School, where Lott was famous for his analysis of firearms possession), he said, ‘Oh, you’re the gun guy.’

I responded: ‘Yes, I guess so.’

’I don’t believe that people should own guns,’ Obama replied.

I then replied that it might be fun to have lunch and talk about that statement some time.

Mr. Obama? Where’s the disdain now? Cancelling, or at minimum, drastically scaling back — by 90% or even 99%, the DHS order for ammo, and its receipt and deployment of armored personnel carriers, would be a “fourfer.”

The federal government would set an example of restraint in the matter of weaponry.

It would reduce the deficit without squeezing essential services.

It would do both in a way that was palatable to liberals and conservatives, slightly depolarizing America.

It would somewhat defuse, by the government making itself less armed-to-the-teeth, the anxiety of those who mistrust the benevolence of the federales.

If Obama doesn’t show any leadership on this matter it’s an opportunity for Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, to summon Secretary Napolitano over for a little national conversation. Madame Secretary? Buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and deploying armored personnel carriers runs contrary, in every way, to what “homeland security” really means. Discuss.

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Many alternate websites including infowars carried this story a long time ago. My jaw will drop when the propaganda media covers the FEMA camps as true story. I won’t hold my breath though. Here is a laugh for everyone, the author of REX 84 Col. Oliver North had a OP ED in the Washington Times about the use of drones.

He’s still a screamer, but he isn’t the only one who has been reporting the DHS ammo buys. I’m glad to see a publication like Forbes pick it up. Well let’s try to figure this out. Uhhh… Maybe all of this is to put Americans back to work? Keeps our bullet maker people employed? Rah rah anyone?

Yeah, didn’t think so. Me either.

It is scary for me to consider why our government needs to protect itself against its own citizens. It bothers me that someone high up there thinks that armored personnel carriers are for deployment on American streets. And it completely sucks that the phrase “That will NEVER happen in America…” is a joke. Because everything that couldn’t happen has happened and then some.

(…as he spins around looking for that lost privacy while waiting in the “Feel Me Up Quickly Please” line, while texting on his monitored cell phone, after transferring money on his wide open bank account, exhausted already from having traveled for 3 hours on a drone patrolled triple DHS roadblocked route to catch a plane for that 1.5 hour flight)

I just hope there are more out there like Senators Cruz, Rubio, and Paul who can turn this mess around.

@ Johan Straus … Um, all this stuff is public, available on the federal business office website, as required by law. The fact that the Denver post was the first to notice the requisition and is therefore receiving credit is journalistic courtesy. You are arguing that the world is flat, never knowing that you are an idiot.

Look at all these intelligent comments on Forbes! We are winning! They better stock up and quick.http://www.infowars.com/obama-group-says-brace-for-right-wing-terror-attack/

copy and paste. wait till you see all the legislation that has been leading up to this since bush and 911 2001. wait till you see how many “residential centers” and reeducation camps they have built and documented in plain view.

Wait till you see the Authentic Military Manuals that state warning shots will not be fired on Americans attempting to escape these “residential centers”.

Alex is scrutinized and listened to by all government agency’s and mainstream government run media. They would discredit him if they could. He will not put out fake documents, and if he speculates he lets you know many times. Many speculations come true. He predicted 911 twice, months before it happened, and said who, why, and what was coming next. He has whistleblowers inside all government agency’s, they are called patriots.

fedbiz.op sight took down the solicitation after infowars broke the story and it went viral and people got angry, they did the same for the unconventional targets sold to DHS and local law enforcement of little boy with real gun, little girls, old men in home with shotgun, old woman in robe, teenagers at parks, they were called no hesitation targets. They eventually apologized publicly for creating these targets of very small children. 1st graders. Screenshots at infowars. This is the only reason forbes picked it up, they had to. The fedbiz.op site puts out solicitations for everything they need and contractors bid on them. I witnessed the solicitations for all 1.6 billion hollow points, different calibers, then it jumper to 2 billion on the fedbiz.op site . Infowars may have saved a screenshot, Im sure they did.

I know you’re probably as accustomed as the rest of us to being leary of what the news organizations tell us (and that is a good thing), but Forbes rarely publishes false information. Please research the link, verify for yourself that this is a legitimate concern, and pass it on once you have.

Notice that they claim these vehicles are being seen all over the US, but they are all numbered. And not a single number above 14. You can search the photos and see when they were uploaded. If the delivery of those vehicles happened back in 2012, why are we not seeing any that are either un-numbered, or numbered over 14 since 2012, and photos of one numbered 12 were uploaded in 2011, before these supposed 2,000 were even done.

God Bless. All they can do is kill the body. We know who wins in the end. But I’ll be right ext to you in spirit, and my body will be be being hit with one of these purchases probably somewhere else. At least will know we’re on the right side. These guys fighting today are unbelievably great and fighting for their brothers in arms and they believe, freedom. I pray for them and that they are right.

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On February 11,2013, I wrote Representative John Kline, MN 2nd District, Senator Amy Klobuchar, and Senator Al Franken, both from MN, concerning the arms build-up by the DHS. Representative Kline’s office did respond via phone. The answer I was given was that the arms build-up was to strengthen our border with Mexico, and the equipment was needed by Border Patrol which is part of DHS. 1.625 billion rounds of ammo, 7,000 new select-fire “Personal Defense (assault) Weapons” with multiple 30 round magazines each, 2700 armored vehicles for 1969 miles of border, new Type-III and Type-VI body armor, plus UAV capability, all added to the existing inventory of M16′s, M4′s, shotguns, and hand guns equals a lot of firepower for our border with Mexico. Or perhaps DHS is planning a war someplace else.

Fact: Lake City ammo plant’s annual production is 1.6 BILLION, total, which is 6% of the Pentagon’s annual requirement. If that is the Pentagon’s annual requirement, then they were shooting a hell of a lot more ammo than 5,000,000 per month in Iraq. THESE figures were published in various arms trade magazines three to six years ago. Also, Aviation Week And Space Technology. By GAO’s own numbers, they fired 250,000 rounds per kill in Iraq. And killed A LOT.

In a weekend class, we shoot about 8,000 rounds. Sounds like a lot, eh? Well, 15 students, but it’s only 533 rounds per student. Every round is a controlled training experience. No blasting wildly. Some serious SWAT schools will have students firing 10,000 rounds in four days. They will burn out a barrel in four days in their M4 5.56 carbine. So, while some speculate that the USG is buying up all the ammo, it’s bogus. Citizens will buy about 16 to 18 BILLION ROUNDS this year.

Cruz, Rand and the Tea Party politicians are likely the only ones who will stand up and object to this. This is Big Government aiming to become much much bigger. Time for the Limited Government contingent to get bigger. Questioning the drones is just a beginning.

Johann Strauss, Jeff Betts, et al… You can find this on the AP wire, the Investor’s Business Daily, or, you can get this information from the us govt itself. These purchases are public record. Indeed, there are two links at the top of this article, not just one.

You choose to negate, not investigate. A need to take from the people that make, but in your eyes they all look fake. Dippy hippy or fabulous freak… Do you run with hate or love life complete? (Fitting lines From a poem)

@John Hedges (and everybody)… Hollow points are the most common police rounds in the world, including the US. They are inhumane in military theaters, where FMJ ammo is used. Full Metal Jacket ricochets easily, and can hit undesired targets. FMJ does not blow a big hole in a target, but merely drops the target, or incapacitates it. Hollow points guarantee stopping someone when hit. Well, that’s the story on those two. The DHS has placed orders for hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow point rounds – presumably for police action in the US.

Mitch Graves, You are right about the numbers there. These are not not unreasonable amounts of ammo for 200,000 employees to conduct target practice (1.6 billion rounds over 6 years). But there was also a purchase of 7000 automatic rifles, and 2700 armored vehicles, and the deployment of drones, with allowance to use on US citizens. The DHS is becoming an armed staff to handle domestic conflict – this is what they are preparing for.

I thought the exact same thing… I think this is part of the overall plan. Sociologists call it “Conflict Theory”. Get us to fight among ourselves and take the spotlight off what is being done. Shame on everyone. This is if nothing else disturbing.

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there’s at least 30 different news sites reporting on this thread. they may have censored the actual purchase at this point but the story’s out… tons of news outlets reporting the same thing… think they are all lying, there Mrs. Skeptic?? http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vanilla/discussion/281/dhs-opensthen-concealsbid-to-buy-cut-to-fit-sheet-plastic-explosive-universal-housekey/p1

Its the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention, that restricts the use of expanding ammunition. Even then the restriction is only against its use between signatories when there is a declared war.

Why? Speaking from a free market perspective, I am sure that the government sent out a bid and some company quoted. Why focus on the ammo manufacturer and focus on why the government would need 1.9 billion rounds of ammo.

Hopefully people do start to wake up. However at this point I don’t think people will do anything unless some mainstream media figure gets on TV with some fancy pictures and screams at their viewers of what is really going on. Even then, people are so dumbed down and docile they would probably just change the channel.

see the thing is people cant see what the media wont tell them …most people in this country are cattle being lead to slaughter as they want to believe nothing bad could ever come to this country ….the media doesnt lie (according to the sheeple) so for forbes to come out and basically say what gives is the first credible ( i use that term loosely cause there are other alternative media out there ) source that has reported on the misuse of funds and not to mention the stockpiling of ammo and armor on the streets ( as the potus said regarding ar-15′s ) there is no place on our streets for weapons of war ….yet its ok for these apc’s to be rolling around on our streets and let us not forget the 7000 select fire rifles they purchased as well (3 round burst or full auto ) nicely donr forbes calling out this administration ….bout time someone makes a few waves

Unfortunately the IDIQ you linked from FBO is not the correct the one being discussed even though it is also for 5 years. It lacks the quantities being discussed in the article. It tops out at $1.9M per year and an overall limit of $9.5M over the term of the contract.

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SonOfJefferson, Federal Cartridge Corporation was the beneficiary for the contract award I saw, but several are out there. The problem about “pressuring on” these corporations is that the Federal Government can out-pressure us. Let’s say Federal had a crisis of conscience and refused the order. We have a President who ignores Congress at will – what are the odds that Federal will find itself in trouble for OSHA violations, back taxes, any and all sorts of opportunistic grief should they (or any other private company) frustrate the will of the person who authorized massive arming against the American people.

My contempt for moveon.org. Codepink and all the other organizations who were shouting “Bushler” at the slightest provocation is passing unbounded toward asymptotic. THEIR man turns out to be the one who doesn’t trust the American people and is arming SOMEONE to fight the people who pay his salary.

I agree and what worries me now is why would they even allow cell phones to post the gun free zones in the areas for them to download??? It don’t make sense. Now this viruses is missing in some lab in texas i heard in the news. They are hiding some agenda and we are the targets. God bless us when that time comes. Best thing to do is for them to be out voted on next election. I don’t trust any lying administration in the white house, alot of them seem strangers to me.

Try to get an answer on that one-I’ve emailed many people in congress-state gov’s. about this and guess what NO REPLY!! Looks like they’re looking out for # 1 as usual, when it goes south we all know who’s implicated in it–THEM

Which points out many of the numbers are flat out wrong or presented in a very misleading fasion. The ammo includes acquisition contracts for all federal law enforcement, up to 750 million rounds. The DHS contract only lists 63 million rounds purchased so far:

https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096e56b0d8362d91e93cf105309c3

Want to know the truth? There are a lot of people making a killing off paranoid Americans, Alex Jones among them.

It is scary this schlock is running on Forbes. But if it gets enough attention for a reasonable investigation by congress to cool off some of the conspiracy nuts it will be a good thing. If it results in more people becoming irredeemably paranoid, it’s bad.

What about those companies providing them TARGETS to Practice Shooting at…for instance LET INC.

They are providing DHS Paper Targets of Armed American People in RESIDENTIAL Settings! Look this up! One is a CHILD! Another a young pregnant mom…then grandma and grandpa in kitchen and front yard…

C’mon. There is something horribly WRONG with this picture and Obama’s idea of “fundamentally Changing America” Into WHAT, pray tell?! Don’t forget the NDAA Internment Camps to Indefinitely DETAIN American People who apparently do NOT agree with his socialistic NWO ideas about changing America.

The contract with ATK in MN is a 1 yr, contract with 4 OPTION years for a maximum of 450 mil rounds. Option means “could buy” not “must buy” and volume is UP TO 450 mil. typical govt contract, mins/max/options.

DHShas over 135,000 officers who are armed and must qualify at a range. DHS also equips the TSA, ICE, and Customs Border Patrol. Additionally, DHS operates the FED Law Enf Training Ctr which trained approx 11,000 personnel from Fed, state and local LE agencies and fired over 11 mil rounds/yr.

So, the real question is not how “could” they buy, but how much “did” they buy? BTW, I prefer fact not beliefs/opinion/conjecture.

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It’s actually not MRAPs are made with gun ports no matter what. MRAPS are likely for explosive ordinance disposal which is very dangerous and would benefit the EOD personal tremendously. To give you the picture I can make explosives out of what’s in my kitchen fairly easily and stuff it inside a pipe. Guess what i go all sociopathic and i decide to plant it somewhere. I put a timer of an hour when the crowd is highest. Somehow someone finds it. Eod moves in with an MRAP and sets up a Operating post close to the bomb so action comes fast after the order is given to disarm it.

The true hilarious thing is u yanks are so easily to buy those conspiracy while totally ignore the objective analysis. No wonder US economy is shrinking nowaday because people are so arrogant and intent to suspect & paranoid the everything that not happen! BTW found some useful information of lie explosing: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41713_Fact_Checking-_Obama_DHS_Purchases_2700_Light-Armored_Tanks http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/30/chain-email/chain-email-says-homeland-security-purchasing-many/

There is only one reason for all these rounds, and its to kill citizens. You dont order that much ammo, along with all the other ammo they have ordered and not mean to start a war on your own people. I get training, and how much ammo it takes, I can easily zip through 1000 rounds in 4 days of training, but this is WAY WAY WAY over that amount. They are looking to start war with US on our homeland.

Hollow-points cannot be used in war (Geneva Convention). If a country declares ‘action’ against it’s own citizens that must not be war. If if the purpose of this amount of bullets is for arming and practice, shouldn’t one question be, ‘just how many people is Department of Homeland Security talking about and why do they need that many people?’ As citizens do we not have the right to purchase ammo and does the gov’t have the right to corner the market (for any reason, nefarious as well as well intentioned)?

I can think of another reason – and mind you, I in no way make ANY excuses for this regime or it’s intentions – Nor do I discount your assumption – David Koresh would agree with you 100%. Let’s just say as a result of this DHS purchase the market price for ammunition has near tripled since the school shooting in RI – that is if you can find any. It’s almost impossible to find any .223/5.56 even this many months later. backdoor gun control

That is true and has been stated as a secondary benefit. I have learned when large illegal or unwanted moves are made by our leaders, that there are several benefits and several benefactors weather it be odd purchases, assassinations, or false flag attacks. That is how a conspiracy works. Multiple people with multiple reasons to benefit from such criminality mixed with strict compartmentalization, greed and no accountability makes these nightmares possible and inevitable. The signs of the intentional bankrupting of America by our leaders is self evident.

When just under 50 million food stamps are removed from circulation after we default on our debts, they will get the war that they want. Sarah Palin has actually spoke out and released this information, saying they are buying 6 billion hollow points for civil unrest trying to separate herself and her party of involvement though they are all working together to monopolize the political platform. This is why Ron Paul could not speak, those debates were pre-arranged. The questions allowed are controlled just as any event with our government run media. It is all documented for sure.See DHS warns public of zombie apocalyptic scenario and to get prepared. See military manuals and training exercises involving shooting hoards of “zombies” and displaced civilian relocation.

You’ll get some “drone” claiming to be ex-Law enforcement who will state something along the lines of, “You practice with what you carry.” B.S. In any kind of hostile tactical, virtually no one would be able to discern ballistic the difference between a hollow point and a full metal jacket bullet. And the difference between HP and FMJ are only evident upon impact. First, your targets will most of the time be less than 25 meters away. That’s about 80 feet. With an average muzzle velocity around 1,000 feet per second, the bullet arrives at destination (as opposed to on target. See videos on youTube of NYPD in action.) in less than a tenth of a second. Second, there is the conflict between your emotional response (hey, they’re shooting at me) and your trained response (to think clearly.) A person’s ability to control their emotions is a reflection of their training and self control. Ever had a LEO go off on you at a traffic stop or other, losing their cool or getting sarcastic with you? Think they could tell the difference between an HP and an FMJ if they were being shot at? Unlikely. Lastly, in a tactical shooting situation anyone would have enough adrenaline coursing through their veins that they could sprint the stairs to the top Sears Tower without stopping. Shooting accuracy requires calmness, not extra energy. Conclusion? Hollow points are not for training, they are for people.

Its the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention, that restricts the use of expanding ammunition. Even then the restriction is only against its use between signatories when there is a declared war. It does not deal with domestic use.

They don’t get around it. It’s the Hague convention not the Geneva that prohibits expanding ammunition not hollow points. You can have HP that are not designed to expand, like the ammo being used now. HP rounds actually fly better.

And who do you know that uses Hollow Points for Target practice? No one, so why do they need them? Let’s see how this adds up in the Obama Socialist nation.

1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For DHS.

Drones who can now fire on US Citizens while on US Soil without our constitutional right to be judged before our peers.

A law that Obama had passed where you can be imprisoned for an indefinite period of time without a trial.

A law (H.R.347) that Obama passed that allows the government to arrest you if have a protest and a government official is near by and I quote the law here “You may not hold, have or participate in any act of protest If a government official is near by” It does not matter if you do or do not know. So if your state senator, or elected mayor comes by you can be arrested and can be imprisoned for up to 10 years.

Correct it also does not deal with Use against Non Signors of the Conventions as the US being a Signor and another country not being a signor, the US could use Expanding Bullets against the other country it also does not apply to use against Terrorists. SO therefor it would not apply to use against the US’s own people. Still I have no Idea why they need so much Ammo.

I agree with your end points, but I should point out that your assertions are 100% correct…if you are talking about handguns only. For rifles (which much of this ammo is for) the things you state about no discernible difference are completely untrue…even 2 different brands of FMJ can have different points of impact at ranges where they are commonly used.

Again, your facts are right, but only when applied to pistols…and what I think what you’re neglecting is that we aren’t just talking about LEO sidearm ammo….so yes, you practice with what you carry when it comes to rifles…pretty much always. However, if you practice with what you carry, and you practice with hollow points…guess what you’re carrying! So your end conclusion that you don’t have hollow points unless you’re shooting at people is totally true regardless.

And I’ll take it one step further: you never have hollow points unless you’re shooting at people you know will never have any form of body armor…e.g. never against any military entity. So it’s not even that hollow points are just for usage on people…they’re just for usage on citizens.

The Govmt does not have the right to corner the Ammo or any other market…the Sherman Act makes it illegal for any organization from having a monopoly even in Ammo, and this would be considered a Monopoly action by the DHS and other Govmt agenies. This combined effort is a monopoly on the Ammo industry, so the Govmt is again breaking the Law, and the Ammo industry is now price gouging the American People (A box of 20 Wolf FMJ .223 Cal Ammo last Oct cost $4.89 not it cost $27.00) Price gauging is a felony offense! But they are not buying all this Ammo, Tanks, M16′s, bullet proof vest, bullet proof mobile check point stations, 450 Million MRE’s and much more just to create a monopoly…NO it’s to move on “We the People” and if you believe any different you are either brain dead, brain washed (like 80% of the public) or one of them (Commies)…!!!

That is a very important part of this puzzle!! Very few people understand that part they are much more expensive it is the central for their plan to bankrupt the United States of America so many tentacles they have meeting in all directions giving as much money away as possible in a very short period of time.

We are asking. Our congressmen are asking. And being ignored. DHS will not answer thequestions. They say – price break for buying in bulk (hollow points are expensive and banned by the Genieva convention). Need them to practice. Again, hollow points are expensive and banned by the Genieva convention.

There is also a story floating around the web about DHS purchasing over 7,000 assault rifles. Of course, DHS calls them Personal Defense Weapons although they are fully automatic AR-15′s which when in civilian hands are considered assault rifles. Again, the question is Why?

It doesn’t matter if this is old news or new news, I read about it months ago, but the fact that it is indeed happening. That should scare the peewaddle out of all of us. Who are they planning to kill with these armaments?

Yeah I wouldn’t trust the Rhino. As Bob has stated the Coast Guard is under DOD. I have a co-worker that is in the Coast Guard and he says that their funding has been cut a lot. They aren’t able to keep up maintenance on their ships and such. The Military in general has been seeing a cut in funding for training in general, and this isn’t something that has just started since the first of the month. I work with a few people that have gotten out of either the Army or the Marines as well over the last year. They say that the DOD has reduced its funding for training. I can remember being on the streets of LA doring the Rodney King Riots and only having 2 20 Round magazines in my ammo pouch. Needless to say that the intel that we received was that the re had been a shipment of guns and ammo inbound to the gangs in LA that they had lost track of. We was told to be prepared for anything. Now the question is was the intel we were given true? if so, why was we limited in the ability to protect ourselves? The new estimate on ammo purchases from the government is now up over 2 billion rounds as well. Why does our government need all of this if they do not intend to disarm us and cause another civil war. It is time that we start demanding answers from our government. And stop taking the BS that they feed us.

The DOD has never equipped the Coast Guard. The Coasties were part of the Department of Commerce before DHS took them over. They can be militarized by order of the President during wartime and become part of the Navy.

Actually, cOrtana, the DOD has indeed equipped the Coast Guard. I served aboard a CG cutter that was a US Navy castoff for several years. We also got most of our .45 cal. ammunition from the DoD (manufactured in Israel back then). And as an aside, the Coast Guard has never been part of the Dept. of Commerce. It was Treasury from the beginning in 1790 as the “Revenue Marine Service” established to provide a fledgling nation with duties from overseas commerce. It moved to the Department of Transportation in the late ’60′s and that onerous and unnecessary Department of “Homeland Security” in only 2002. The Coast Guard also has been attached to the Navy in time of war. Coasties are very proud of the service’s history and traditions but most who have seen some time there are not at all happy with the move to DHS.

AR-15 are not full auto select fire,these weapons are not available for the average person,you must pass a stringent background check,apply for & receive a class 3 FFL & pay a $200 tax for each purchase & cost for these weapons weapons is $10,000.00 +/- each.

The AR-15 was designed by Eugene Stoner in 1957 for the US military. The select-fire version of the AR-15 was designated the M-16. Originally made by Armalite (Armalite Rifle, or AR), they sold the rights to Colt in 1959.

The military versions are automatic. Civilian are semi-auto. More details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15.

I am a retired Coaste, The US Coast Guard was under the US Treasury Dept and after that the Coast Guard became part of the US Department of Transportation.The Coast Guard became part of the DHS after 911. The Coast Guard becomes part of the US Navy when congress authorizes a declaration of war against another country. Today the Coast Guard has better boats and training. No more 50 year old hand me down ships from the Navy.

The coast guard was part of DOT (transportation) prior to DHS, and part of treasury prior to that. The larger caliber weapons the coast guard has on their cutters belong to the navy (DOD). All their ammo comes from DOD. BTW, I am a former coast guard gunners mate.

I have no doubt some of the TSA agents I’ve run into in my travels would be happy to shoot me. However, I am very skeptical that many U.S. Special Ops forces would turn their considerable skills on U.S. citizens if ordered to. That would be an unconstitutional order in my humble opinion, though others, smarter than me in legal matters, would have to determine that.

AR-15s are not fully automatic. They are single pull, single shot weapons and are definitely not “assault weapons” as they are now being defined by the government and liberals. By that definition, ANY single pull, single shot rifle or handgun would be an “assault weapon”. It’s just another one of the blatant attempts at controlling the minds of the masses.

tHE THING IS, THE ARE IN ‘CIVILIAN’ HANDS….DHS IS A ‘DOMESTIC’ DEPT….SORTA LIKE OBAMA’S CIVILIAN ARMY HE BOASTED ABOUT IN 2008 THAT HE WANTED MORE POWERFUL THAN THE US MILITARY….WHILE PLACING OUR VETS, AND OATHKEEPERS ON THEIR “WATCH LIST’ AND POTENTIAL TERRORIST BECAUSE THEY ARE PATRIOTS AND WILLING TO DEFEND THIS COUNTRY AGAINST TYRANNY, AND ALL ENEMIES WITHOUT AND WITHIN.

Actually many criminals are armed or at least the ones that DHS would fight. Many are illegal arms dealers and drug lords which have military grade heavy weapons such as m60′s m240Bs Ak-47s RPG-7s and sniper rifles like the psg-1 or the sr-24. DHS needs to have better weapons than a glock or something. I doubt a civilian would need an automatic AR-15 to shoot at a paper target. Civilians may cite self-defense but the chances are extremely low and pretty much no one’s gonna rob your house while you’re in there. They are PDW’s because the barrel is under a certain length.

Many non-mainstream news organizations, like PPRN, have been following this story. The AP did a pathetic job of covering it. Here is what they failed to do: http://www.prepperpodcast.com/you-have-been-lied-to-by-the-government-again-and-heres-how-you-can-know/

Every round counted. Every public contract accounted for. Even the fraudulent ones.

Hey Janet we already have police forces and military DHS is supposed to protect us from terrorist you do not need all those bullets or tanks tell us why?????????????????????? we need to know WE THE PEOPLE

come on John we know why, and if one thinks that one will get a forthright answer then a blue face is in order. As a former Deputy I know what this is intended for. A financial collapse, civil unrest, relocation to internment camps, re-education for those able, liquidation for the unwilling and forced labor for the rest. Join us at OathKeepers won’t you? And tell a friend. Respectfully in truth and liberty, Defender of the Republic

Its kinda obvious isn’t it? When DHS has nearly 2 BILLION rounds of AMMO and Tanks and is PRACTICING shooting TARGETS that are of Armed AMERICAN CITIZENS while in RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS, provided the DHS by a company named LET INC.

And you have NDAA with the potential to ‘INDEFINITELY DETAIN” AMERICAN CITIZENS whom this “Fed” gov deems a “threat”, and then you find out WHO–THEY, THE GOV IS LABELING “DOMESTIC TERRORIST” AND “DISSIDENTS” AND “ENEMY COMBATANTS” for example, The group OATH KEEPERS, made up of military and law enforcement and the like who take their OATH to DEFEND the US CONSTITUTION and AMERICAN PEOPLE from ALL ENEMIES, foreign and DOMESTIC….AND they are labeling and in some instances even kidnapping and “disappearing’ US returning Veterans, and PATRIOTS, and ALL WHO THEY SEE AS A THREAT TO ‘THEM” THE FED GOV….WHICH IS MILLIONS OF AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO TAKE THAT OATH SERIOUSLY. AND DO NOT WANT THE KIND OF ‘FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE” THE NWO ‘ELITE’ ARE INSISTING BE DONE TO AMERICA.

when you add it ALL together, it then becomes obvious what is in the making…along with all the URBAN WARFARE DRILLS BEING CONDUCTED ON AMERICAN CITIES….and the GESTAPO TYPE ROAD BLOCKS and ROAD CHECKS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS. Along with the NSA and DHS watching everyone of US…and PREDATOR DRONES over AMERICA to also TARGET AMERICAN CITIZENS.

what’s left but to conclude….something is HORRIBLY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE! IT LOOKS WAY TOO FAMILIAR TO HITLER’S NIGHTMARE. FEMA CAMPS, PLASTIC CASKETS, TANKS ROLLING IN AND THOUSANDS OF UN VEHICLES HIDING OUT OF VIEW OF PUBLIC.

ALONG WITH ALL THE NEW EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO COMPLETELY TAKEOVER THE AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE AND FOOD, UTILITIES ETC…DURING TIMES OF ‘EMERGENCY’==MARTIAL LAW.

All I can say is that if you are not concerned, you are damn well NOT paying attention! THIS IS A POLICE STATE NET BEING IMPOSED WITH SUSPENSION OF THE US CONSTITUTION DURING A TIME OF EMERGENCY….SO WHY ARE THEY PRACTICING SHOOTING AMERICANS AS TARGET PRACTICE? THAT, SAYS IT ALL.

READ: RETIRED ARMY CAPTAIN WARNS DHS ACQUISITIONS ARE ‘BOLD THREAT OF WAR’ AGAINST AMERICAN PEOPLE. For further incite.

Looks like THEY KNOW something is coming and are preparing to Round People up and “Detain” them or worse eh? What else can one concluded when all is considered?

Emergency or no, that is what HITLER, STALIN and MAO also did. Is History repeating itself, in America?