Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

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Luke -Jr

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Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

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Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:11:58 -0500

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On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote:
> In message: <address@hidden>
> Luke -Jr <address@hidden> writes:
> : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote:
> : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote:
> : > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it,
> : > > > and in order to be applicable, the work in question must somehow
> : > > > rely on the GPL'd work. The "somehow" here is an interesting legal
> : > > > question that hasn't been well settled.
> : > >
> : > > And copyright law by default grants you no rights to modify or copy
> : > > Qemu at all. The ONLY way you can get permission to copy or modify
> : > > Qemu is to agree to the GPL in its entirety-- which does not restrict
> : > > itself to merely derivative works, but covers all linking. (note:
> : > > obvious the copyright holder(s) can make exceptions to this rule)
> : >
> : > Actually, the GPL does only apply to derived works, and it plainly
> : > says so:
> : > The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and
> : > a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any
> : > derivative work under copyright law
> : > Linking typically is what makes a derived work, but not necessary. It
> : > is just the shade of grey that most people use as a rule of thumb.
> :
> : That's merely the definition of "Program" as used in the
> : license. Read all the requirements, not just definitions...
>
> The definition is what is controlling here. IF it is a derived work
> THEN you must do X. If it is not a derived work, then you may do as
> you see fit. If what you did somehow wasn't a derivative work, then
> the there's no legal basis for forcing compliance with a license.
> This is exactly what SCO is trying to do right now with its IBM case.
Unless you modify or distribute the work. These acts are illegal without
compliance with the license.
> : > If you do not have a derived work, then you can use and distribute
> : > your work as you see fit, without the GPL restrictions. While the GPL
> : > is viral, it is only viral to the extent that the new work is
> : > derivative of the GPL'd work. This is why, for example, running my
> : > proprietary program on a Linux box doesn't mean my proprietary program
> : > is covered under the GPL. Although it uses the kernel, and in a very
> : > real sense the kernel links into the program due to address space
> : > mapping for system calls and the like, this isn't enough to make my
> : > program a derivative work. So it isn't 'black' vs 'white' but more of
> : > a 'this shade of grey is more white than black' or vice versa.
> :
> : The kernel contains exceptions for userland code. If it didn't, you would
> : be unable to distribute your program alongside Linux.
>
> Even if it didn't, you would be able to. Running a program on a
> kernel does not create a derivative work. I believe there is even
> case law on this. IIRC, there were cases with IBM and third parties
> providing software for mainframes that settled this, but I don't have
> the time to do an Internet search here.
I bet those cases weren't distributing the kernel along with their software,
were they?
> It is unclear for the Linux kernel if the 'end run' people do with
> loadable modules is a legal way to avoid source distribution. The FSF
> doesn't think so. Linus has said he's cool with it, but absent a
> statement from all the copyright holders of code in the Linux kernel,
> the issue is at best murky. It is unclear if the original poster
> tried to do a binary-only module with QEMU if he'd be in compliance or
> not (since the end user does the actual linking).
It is undisputed that it would be in violation if the kernel was distributed
with the modules. The GPL is clear that mere use (end user) is always
allowed. It is also fairly clear (the opinions of many kernel developers and
IP lawyers) that proprietary modules for Linux are illegal to distribute. As
with all copyright violations, however, the liability is on the distributor's
end, so the end user is again not liable for the download either.