>>41484278Do you think politicians openly discuss policies like this as a way to disincentivize gun ownership, or do they just jerk eachother off with talk of how much cancer they'll be preventing while everyone has a tacit understanding of what's actually going on?

>>41484278Reminder that grabbers will use every excuse, so unironically educate yourselves about lead to fuck them and to not poison yourselves. They use this shit every time for hunters and sporters are not to be spared.

>>41484278>https://sf.curbed.com/2018/10/26/18028576/united-nations-rapporteur-homeless-farha-human-rights-violantion>Why is a 3rd world country doing dumb shitYeah, dunno. Unless you're eating bullets it's not an issue, if you're worried about contamination in the water supply and it somehow getting though filtration plants then why not require ranges to have proper barriers or some shit. The small amounts in hunting is environmentally insignificant, lead occurs naturally in most rocks containing other minerals, it's literally just going back to where it was anyways.This is only about restricting gun owners

amazing really that you think every american is exposed to so many bullets that they become retarded, but the vast sea of niggers that inhabits the southeastern portion of our nation is of no consequence whatsoever. what exactly are you legally allowed to be told about our country in whatever shithole you're from?

>>41484500>You'll pay more for lead and even more for unleaded. Just like it happened with gasoline.https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/Poor argument, you're dumb and wrong. Lead bullets are more effective overall, bismuth isn't much more expensive, almost as dense, but isn't as soft, and solid copper bullets are already a thing with those screw driver rounds.

>>41484278>CA bans lead ammo>everyone forced to use solid copper or steel core>level II armor becomes useless overnight>level IIIA barely useful>anti gun shills conduct "studies" showing that "the average AR-15 bullet penetrates more than it used to" and "nothing can stop it">shills claim that no one should be allowed to own something that police with body armor can't defend against>mfw CA bans all ammunition because "the bullets are too deadly and evolve too fast".Mark my words /k/ they will try to make us pay for the problem they created.

>>41484589so why is everyone still allowed to pump millions of pounds of lead into the ground all over the place

i'm about as pro gun and pro freedom as they come but this is the only "anti-gun" thing that I could ever understand, ever. It's lead dude it's not good for anyone or anything. Sure it occurs naturally but you don't want to fucking sprinkle it all over the fucking Earth

>>41484984>law abiding hunters forced to use solid copper or steel core>anti gun shills argue that hunters don't need AP rounds because armor can't stop it>AP gets banned leaving only meme copper rounds like G2 RIP etc.>all hunters and NRA members are psychopaths according to the left>"oy vey imagine if a hunter with fragmenting rounds went on a shooting spree, it would be anodda shoah">all ammunition banned for hunters>hunting with firearms banned>only people with legal ammunition is tyrone and his downtown gangHow is this any better?

>>41484475Niggers are the biggest problem facing functional society in America, primarily due to their low IQ making them easily manipulated by kikes. Hopefully we can finish the golem story and destroy the jews permanently.

>>41484516>The small amounts in hunting is environmentally insignificantThey give zero shits about people with this. It's because they are worried about carrion birds like the condor consuming lead bullets from carcasses. It also only effects center-fire ammunition used to hunt "large game" and coyotes.

>>41484288Taking the obvious bait to drop a bit of info for those who don't know.Lead is used in bullets because it is heavy, relatively cheap, and has a low melting point, and is soft. This makes it ideal for projectiles, especially ones that are designed to deform like soft and hollow point. As for why other materials aren't used, they are ether no good or banned as it would create armor piercing """"handgun"""" ammunition.

>>41484402>it's more of a eco thing than gun thing>ignore the fact that the amount of lead contamination for shootings is meaninglessly low>lmao, what reason would california politicians possibly have for making the cheapest plinking ammo 1$ per round?are you actually retarded?

>>41484999It's your duty to shit on calilocusts, see a CA plate? Dung. They're just visiting friends? Same thing. They're relatives visiting you? They wouldn't be gold company anyway. Call them what they are.

besides being interstate commerce related so they can pound sand, any tax or ban on bullets falls under a "use tax" made illegal by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Star_Tribune_Co._v._Commissioner when kikes tried to legislate wrongthink newspapers out of existence by taxing ink use.

the argument when ginsberg finally fucking dies will focus on "you can't weaponize the tax code" and once shit like this slips past the 9th circuit it'll rape gun control efforts nationally.

>>41484485>lead ammunition ban on the books>ammo background checks begin the same day on July 1st>thinks his cheap ass plinking rounds and cast boolits aren't going to be facing further restrictions under gavin newcumCalifags everyone.

>>41486317mainly waterfowl because ducks are retarded and eat stones, potentially causing lead magnification up the food chain when they scoop up birdshot as gizzard stones

but the level that actually happens is so retardedly miniscule it is only law to use steel birdshot in many places just to fuck with hunters

the idea that birds will eat an actual bullet is beyond retarded

years of studying environmental science did nothing but convince me that every leftist environmental effort is complete horseshit that ranges from ineffective to actively damaging the environment.

>>41486280>take that hunters, now only solid brass, solid copper, and steel core .308 can be bought in california unless pt 2 is a complete effective ammo ban via stopping these cop killa bullets that will go right through all bodyarmor below lv IV, congratulation leftists you played yourself

>>41486677animals that subsist on carrion like vultures or other scavengers are dying off from lead poisoninglead's an accumulative poisonit's not terribly different from when they banned ddt to save birds of prey

>>41484288Lead ammunition for hunting was banned in Norway for some years. It was a disaster. So we legalized lead again. We didn't ban it for target shooting, so it was not as bad as California even.Here's what our lead ban meant:>shotgun ammo suddenly got 5-10 times more expensive>poorfags couldn't hunt as cheaply as they could before. Hunting birds is what everyone who doesn't own land, but still want to hunt do.>steel shot keep bouncing off rocks, and injured lots of hunters.>way more animals got injured instead of killed, because the alternatives to lead are still worse, even if it's more expensive>it didn't lower lead levels in the blood of people eating game, as hunters cut away lead polluted parts of the meat anyway.>people still went to Sweden and got hold of lead shot, if they wanted to. Because it's really easy to just get your buddy in Sweden to buy it for you, then take it back home when shopping cheap beer and snus, over the border, as we all do.

Basically, a lead ban is just there to fuck over gun owners. It will not lower lead levels significantly, and it will make hunting less humane. Also, the lead replacement metals, are often bad for the environment too, like bismuth.

Banning leaded gasoline, and lead paint is way better for lowering blood lead levels. This is where most of the lead exposure comes from.

As for lead exposure from guns, it's really just noticeable on people shooting an absolute fuck ton of unjacketed .22lr on poorly ventilated indoor ranges. Or people casting their own bullets. Shooters and hunters in general do not have higher lead levels than the population in overall.

>>41485045The real answer is that it's a non issue. Most ammunition is consumed in places where the lead will end up doing no significant harm to the environment. Aka ranges. The few instances where lead can do damage is shooting into water but even then the quantities are tiny because it's not like a huge number of people shoot right into the water. The reason lead is banned for water fowls isn't because it spreads lead in the water, it's because the ducks and such eat the pellets which causes damage.

The bigger issue is that leadless ammo is a step towards making firearms a harder hobby to maintain since the cost of leadless ammo is much higher. It's a Trojan horse for a control on ammunition in general.

>>41486317it's a fairly big deal for vultures and so forth because when high speed bullets hit things they tend to fragmentit's not that they're eating actual bullets, just bullet fragments that build up over timewhat this really means is we need to legalize heavy steel core ammunitionthink of the birds, buy ap rounds

>>41488009>it's not terribly different from when they banned ddt to save birds of preySo, it's a bullshit smokescreen using "muh environment" as an excuse to restrict liberty while doing literally nothing worthwhile? Sounds about right.

>>41488156>>41488190>US hunters are in decline and continue to shrink season after season as boomers die off>ignores lead paint and improperly disposed of waste that contaminates wildlife to a much larger degree>NOW is the time we need to worry about these super deadly lead hunting boolits my fellow gun owners!>Think of the vultures! California is shit and so are you.

So if we can as easily dismiss the right keep and bear arms in the name of environmentalism we can also do so with speech?

Yet you are posting on a forum whose entire chain of existence is built upon the requirement for rare earth minerals that probably were strip mined, manufacturing processes that result in toxic waste, and power generated from fossil fuels?

>>41489135The C3 stuff is $.44 / round. Might work for a country club range. The zinc stuff looks better, but I can't find it for sale anywhere.

Still, if it works, best idea I've seen so far. How much is tin these days. It's heavier than both copper, iron, or zinc. Maybe something to look at when the feds inevitably ban foreign imports of lead core ammo like Wolf or Monarch.

>>41487958This, Commiefornia will find ways to chip away at or right to the firearm itself but any attempt to infringe on our right to buy ammo is gonna be struck don. Hell their attempts to infringe on our right to bear the firearm itself is one court case away from being nuked

>>41489896I'll call it whatever you want. There's still lead dust coming off that impact, same as when the lead primer goes off, and it has to be filtered on an indoor range or your employees get poisoned.

>>41486259Public safety isn't in the constitution.You have the right to live, be free, and to maybe get some happiness. You don't have the right to be safe. This is why there is punishments.Boomers did away with punishments because they wanted to be children playing with toys.Not men hanging and removing any and all that stepped out of line.Stealing was hanging, rude language was whipping. Hard men enforcing hard laws, kept society civil. Military used cat-o-nine-tails to keep the men right and proper.Its not savage its civil. Savage is failing to punish violations of law.

>>41490219How do you go from an intelligent first half to full retard in the blink of an eye, with literally zero self-awareness? The Constitution is perhaps the most anti-authoritarian document that has ever existed, and you somehow spin it to be in support of authoritarianism. Are you literally fucking retarded?

Cool they've pretty much just banned nearly all ammo, you'll have a harder time buying via normal places that stock "CA compliant" bullets.Which was of course the whole point, to make it more difficult, to add to death by a thousand cuts.Fuck you commiefagnia.

>>41491101>Car thieves in PDX are *literally* not prosecuted.What's so screwy about that is that there are Democrats in the state trying to amend the legislation to fix the goofball ruling so that police no longer have to prove intent, and it gets nowhere.

>>41486277>Copper and steel coreCorrect, copper and steel CORE. As in there is a rod or conical core of said elements contained within the lead bullet. The whole thing isn't steel or copper under the jacket.

>>41488009>animals that subsist on carrion like vultures or other scavengers are dying off from lead poisoningNo they aren't.Think for five fucking seconds.We have been shooting animals with lead bullets for hundreds of years. Literally MILLIONS of buffalo were shot and left to rot and feed the vultures, just to fuck over the Indians. If they didn't die off then, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO START DYING OFF NOW.

>>41497031Flintlocks/caplocks/matchlocks/etc are not firearms under the NFA. The California law does not apply to non-firearms, such as pellet guns and such. While modern bp rifles require lead free ammo, actual traditional ones do not.

>>41497070>14 CCR § 250.1>(b) Definitions.>(1) A projectile is any bullet, ball, sabot, slug, buckshot, shot, pellet or other device that is expelled from a firearm through a barrel by force.>(2) Nonlead ammunition is any centerfire, shotgun, muzzleloading, or rimfire ammunition containing projectiles certified pursuant to subsection (b)(3) or subsection (f).NFA is federal. California classification is what matters and California classifies them as "antique firearms" Penal code 16170>(c) As used in Section 17700, “antique firearm” means either of the following:>(1) Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898. This includes any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898.

>>41497130>NFA is federal. California classification is what matters and California classifies them as "antique firearms"

Both California and the Federal government have the classification antique firearm. The difference is that Federally, antique firearms are a seperate set from firearms, while in California, antique firearms are a subset of firearms.