That is the old openredalert that has been dead for years. Nothing on that page has been updated in 6 years.

RedAlert++ is currently private. A GitHub page is planned for later once things are more long as said in this page. https://forums.cncnet.org/index.php?topic=4441.0Last edited by Allen on Sun May 15, 2016 10:20 pm; edited 1 time in totalQUICK_EDIT

Long story short, we was going to take over the OpenRedAlert name, but we decided it was in the best interest of us (now RA++) and OpenRA that we choose a new project name, thus RedAlert++ was born.QUICK_EDIT

Long story short, we was going to take over the OpenRedAlert name, but we decided it was in the best interest of us (now RA++) and OpenRA that we choose a new project name, thus RedAlert++ was born.

It is a good name but i have 1 question.

You are aiming to create a Red Alert 1, aren't you ? which is very similar to the old one. And without adding new features or UI or anything New, except bug fixes. Then what is the reason that will make people download yours? they can just make patches for their game.

- Fully compatable with the original game, allowing you to run the compiled binary as a direct replacement of your original installation. -

- Fixes bugs that appear in the original game, without losing gameplay authenticity. -

- Built on years of thorough research into core gameplay dynamics to deliver a genuine experience. -

- Allows you to continue playing your favourite RTS on a device of your choice. -

These things maynot be important to the players especially " Built on years of through research into core gameplay dynamics to deliver a genuine experience" the only importance that i see is it is cross-platform which OpenRA already did it.

Sorry mate, but your project seems a bit pointless.

It doesn't add anything new (tanks , infantry ,...).

the popularity of OpenRA will cover any C&C games duplicates (simulators) that doesn't serve anything new such as your project + OpenRA is currently heading to Red alert 2 which is the end of C&C classics,
and you can also just edit OpenRA to get the classic look of Red Alert 1 , no need for a whole new project.

Same reason people prefer playing OpenTTD to playing TTD with TTDPatch...having an open-source clone will allow for so many new features, better support for multiplayer, modding, mapping, help fix tons of bugs and do tons of other amazing stuff like improving AI and bringing the game to other devices.

Same reason people prefer playing OpenTTD to playing TTD with TTDPatch...having an open-source clone will allow for so many new features, better support for multiplayer, modding, mapping, help fix tons of bugs and do tons of other amazing stuff like improving AI and bringing the game to other devices.

I'm personally looking forward to RedAlert++

I searched the internet, OpenTTD gives new graphics, features, terrain and more ,while RA++ plan looks like it doesn't have any new feature just Bugfixes and crossplatform.._________________

To be honest, OpenRA just doesn't invoke the same feel that Red Alert does. I don't know why, maybe it's something about the controls but it just feels slow and clunky.

So yeah, I too am looking forward to RedAlert++ a lot. If Arda had as many features as Ares has, I'd probably be modding that instead of messing with OpenRA when doing Red Alert modding._________________QUICK_EDIT

You are aiming to create a Red Alert 1, aren't you ? which is very similar to the old one. And without adding new features or UI or anything New, except bug fixes. Then what is the reason that will make people download yours? they can just make patches for their game.

Why do people still download the CNCNet patched versions? Because people like the old school game play perhaps? In fact as far as I can tell, the originals are still more popular than the OpenRA mods are despite not being properly multi-platform.

That isn't to disparage the work OpenRA have done, they have done some good work and created a unique experience all of their own with twists on the standard C&C RTS formula and they have their fans thanks to that. But its mods are very much their own games these days despite looking like the old WW games.

temp wrote:

the popularity of OpenRA will cover any C&C games duplicates (simulators) that doesn't serve anything new such as your project + OpenRA is currently heading to Red alert 2 which is the end of C&C classics,
and you can also just edit OpenRA to get the classic look of Red Alert 1 , no need for a whole new project.

The people still playing the originals using binary patches suggests otherwise, seems there still is a big market for authentic C&C game play which is what this project will target.

Even if that wasn't the case, as a preservation project this would still IMO be worthwhile to ensure that the original can still be enjoyed somewhat faithfully despite ever changing APIs and computer hardware.QUICK_EDIT

My RA2 mod isn't some graphical masterpiece, but it shines because of the years of work I put into the AI specifically. I mean I could port it to ORA, but I would lose the very core of what makes Scorched Earth so damned fun, and only get some swanky visual effects in return. I know I could expand the mod to take advantage of ORA features not present in RA2, but then like you say, it becomes its own game that only looks like WW -- what's the point of that?

If RA++ will be open source, it'll also give infinite freedom to modders (at least those who know C++), who can then add the new graphics, features, terrain etc. that they want to have._________________QUICK_EDIT

I wouldn't call the OpenTTD-TTDPatch similarity justified - over there TTDPatch was the first. It still has features OpenTTD doesn't have even today afaik (building stuff on tunnel exits, cargo distribution or destination, forgot which one is TTDP exclusive, seriously, I haven't launched TTDP since 2005 to know which is the one), though. On the other hand, OpenTTD got a lot far away from the standard TTD game with all the subtle changes by now (the AI system is a great example), but it started more like RA++ intends to with revengineering, instead of how OpenRA started.

RA++ aims to be purist on the first place and there are fans of that POV. While I personally amn't among them, I can understand that the CnCNet5 and related hacks are still limited and probably cannot be maintained forever.

Oh btw, speaking of CnCNet... do you intend to even reimplement WOL or you let yourself to lean a bit and implement something closer to the CnCNet client infrastructure instead?_________________
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RedAlert++ does intend to be "pure" gameplay/logic wise, but the engine aims to be very modable by introducing features and systems that appear in later games (TS, RA2 and YR).

Some people seem to keep forgetting the reason why I started this project; To actually put a end to the years of research I have done on these C&C engines. It just so happens that Blade joined the team in the past few years and has allowed us to progress at a much faster rate that I could have dreamed of.

And to clarify, the reason why we are closed source currently, is due us (the team) wanting the source code to be as clear and correct as possible, heavily populated with comments, and with helpful documentation. There are parts of the engine we do not yet quite understand, and I think its very bad practice publish a project/source code until we do.

^Rampastein wrote:

If RA++ will be open source, it'll also give infinite freedom to modders (at least those who know C++), who can then add the new graphics, features, terrain etc. that they want to have.

I hope to have RedAlert++ to be modable on the level of what TS/RA2/YR is based on, making it very easy for existing modders to play around with our engine. Hopefully we can get to a point where pretty much everything is controlled by some INI option.

Graion Dilach wrote:

Speaking of CnCNet... do you intend to even reimplement WOL or you let yourself to lean a bit and implement something closer to the CnCNet client infrastructure instead?

It is the lowest of prioritys at the moment, but we will be looking to update the event driven system and impliment our service.QUICK_EDIT

To be honest, OpenRA just doesn't invoke the same feel that Red Alert does. I don't know why, maybe it's something about the controls but it just feels slow and clunky.

I've been saying for a while now that vehicle movement in OpenRA looks similar to seeing units with a very high speed move around in TS with a low game speed. It currently just makes the game unpleasant to play._________________QUICK_EDIT

For what it's worth, that could be easily fixed if we knew how movement in the original games behaved. Unfortunately nobody has been interested in researching or writing up a sufficiently detailed specification for how movement should work, so OpenRA's original movement implementation (which everyone agrees is a bit shit) is our only option.QUICK_EDIT

Same reason people prefer playing OpenTTD to playing TTD with TTDPatch...having an open-source clone will allow for so many new features, better support for multiplayer, modding, mapping, help fix tons of bugs and do tons of other amazing stuff like improving AI and bringing the game to other devices.

I'm personally looking forward to RedAlert++

I searched the internet, OpenTTD gives new graphics, features, terrain and more ,while RA++ plan looks like it doesn't have any new feature just Bugfixes and crossplatform..

After TTDPatch already implemented new graphics, features, terrain etc. The CnCNet patch for Red Alert 1, 3.03p also adds these things to RA1. RedAlert++ would make adding even more features a lot easier, like adding support for adding new units.QUICK_EDIT

Same reason people prefer playing OpenTTD to playing TTD with TTDPatch...having an open-source clone will allow for so many new features, better support for multiplayer, modding, mapping, help fix tons of bugs and do tons of other amazing stuff like improving AI and bringing the game to other devices.

I'm personally looking forward to RedAlert++

I searched the internet, OpenTTD gives new graphics, features, terrain and more ,while RA++ plan looks like it doesn't have any new feature just Bugfixes and crossplatform..

After TTDPatch already implemented new graphics, features, terrain etc. The CnCNet patch for Red Alert 1, 3.03p also adds these things to RA1. RedAlert++ would make adding even more features a lot easier, like adding support for adding new units.

The funny thing is, that is very possible and already in RA++. By using the system Tiberian Sun uses (Find or Make) we can make the engine look up to see if the object listed is already defined (Red Alert objects are hardcoded) or create a new one. That way editing existing objects is easy and defining new ones is just as easy. QUICK_EDIT

OpenTTD in its initial release was pretty much a 1 to 1 replica of the original as far as I understand it, its only over time that additional features have been added. This is something that will probably happen somewhat organically to RA++ once it goes open source as it will then be open to contributions from others.

There are already a few little extensions in the RA++ code base, there is code for drawing a spacer between the tabs for example rather than it just being a black void and C&C style cloaking code has been written for land units rather than them using the same as subs.QUICK_EDIT

There's a lot of special logic which makes this really, really hard to do via assembly patching. TS/RA2 are a lot easier as they have a lot less hard-coded logic.

I see.

Blade wrote:

OpenTTD in its initial release was pretty much a 1 to 1 replica of the original as far as I understand it, its only over time that additional features have been added. This is something that will probably happen somewhat organically to RA++ once it goes open source as it will then be open to contributions from others.

There are already a few little extensions in the RA++ code base, there is code for drawing a spacer between the tabs for example rather than it just being a black void and C&C style cloaking code has been written for land units rather than them using the same as subs.

I would go ahead and fully code in all the needed C&C code into RA++ as well._________________

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