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[12:30] hi
[12:31] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip Has been updated based on the opinions and suggestions gotten in IRC
[12:31] JaneW: hi there
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[12:34] specifically: 'rpc failed: 2' in between /scripts/nfs-premount and /scripts/nfs-bottom
[12:36] I actually never payed attention to errors as long as clients do boot
[12:36] IIRC, Oliver mentioned some errors as 'normal' for this version
[12:36] :)
[12:36] This plonks me in a busybox shell, no joy on the booting :-(
[12:36] ooohhh
=== mhz dislikes busybox
[12:37] The scripts all report 'Done.' but then I end up with: mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory
[12:38] oooh
[12:38] well, you got me there.
[12:38] and had your installation worked ok before getting this errors?
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[12:40] Can you tell me the cfg in your inetd (fopr tftp) and pxelinux.0/default?
[12:40] argh /me lags
[12:41] cafuego: yes, gimme 2 mins
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[12:41] Ack
[12:42] Any chance you could give me your tftp config line and pxelinux config?
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=== P3L|C4N0 saludos
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[07:50] cafuego_: ping
[08:22] mhz: pong
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=== P3L|C4N0 Hello friendes - Hola amigos - Buna prietens
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[11:29] hello all
[11:29] I have a question. Can I ?
[11:43] what about?
[11:43] I'm looking for a software like the DERIVE(tm) one
[11:44] sry don't know what it is
[11:44] it's a matematical soft used to resolve equation, disequation. Also plot a graph for the function
[11:45] u're runnning ubuntu i suppose?
[11:46] yes
[11:47] open applications > add applications and have a look in the edutainment menu
[11:47] i can see kmplot which could be useful to u maybe
[11:47] i'll do it now
[11:47] thank
[11:47] you can also use synaptic
[11:48] and use it's sections sorting ability to trace something
[11:48] in both case u should enble the universe repository
[11:48] and eventually muliverse
[11:49] multiverse
[11:49] ok thanks for now !
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[01:15] bluefrog-10: also, maybe he could look at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuScientists
=== mhz_breakfast bbl
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[02:09] re
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[02:10] hey mhz :)
[02:10] zakame: nice to cya
[02:11] has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10?
[02:11] recipe?
[02:12] zakame: hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release
[02:12] mhz: ah
[02:12] :)
[02:12] sorry, I feel a little lazy lately and didnt want to write all that :D
[02:13] no problem, just asking as I'm also new too :D
[02:13] okidoki
[02:13] highvoltage: hi, did you?
[02:14] JaneW: ping
[02:14] mhz: sorry, did I?
[02:14] has anyone here helped ogra with the recipe of current 5.10?
[02:15] ah, sorry. catching up noe.
[02:15] recipe= hmmm, with the knowhow and actually making all the components work together well for the release
[02:15] now.
[02:15] mhz: i think it's all ogra, really.
[02:15] ok
[02:15] he did the whole edubuntu by himself.
[02:15] highvoltage: ever done a customized LiveCd
[02:15] ?
[02:15] yep.
[02:16] highvoltage: duh! that's why he's Mr. Edubuntu
[02:16] i've done a livecd from scratch, and customised knoppix a few times.
[02:16] highvoltage: could you help me with some details?
[02:16] mhz: yes :)
[02:16] sure.
[02:16] thx
[02:17] edoo: ogra
[02:17] ogra is Oliver Grawert
[02:17] edoo: ogra
[02:17] ogra is Oliver Grawert
[02:17] hmmm..
[02:17] I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier
[02:17] highvoltage: is edoo a bot?
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[02:18] yep.
[02:18] edoo: mhz
[02:18] highvoltage: I'm not following you...
[02:18] ok. thought he knew your name too.
[02:18] hhehe
[02:18] edoo: choose highvoltage is stupid or highvoltage is clever
[02:18] I choose highvoltage is clever, highvoltage
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[02:18] LOL
[02:18] edoo: google for edubuntu
[02:18] highvoltage: Google found 'Edubuntu - Linux for Young Human Beings', at "http://www.edubuntu.org/"
[02:18] haha
[02:19] edoo: slashdot
[02:19] highvoltage: Slashdot - Updated 2005-11-08 12:35:00 | Vertical Axis Wind Turbine With Push and Pull | Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern Web Apps | No More Science on the ISS Until Further Notice | YouTube Receives $3.5M Funding from Sequoia
[02:19] edoo: google for edward ubuntu
[02:19] mhz: Google found 'Edward's Weblog', at "http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/edward?entry=nis_auth_and_ubuntu_group"
[02:19] :D
[02:20] it has karma too.
[02:20] edoo: mhz++
[02:20] edoo: karma mhz
[02:20] highvoltage: mhz has karma of 1
[02:20] nha
[02:20] I should have at least 10
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[02:21] highvoltage: sorry to interrupt your delightful entretainment but..
[02:21] I have a meeting tomorrow with one of the important universities here in Chile. Some math teachers have asked to think how to make customized Edubuntu LiveCd's for each carrier
[02:21] so,
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[02:21] I gotta make a list how much effort that would mean
[02:22] what kind of infrastructure they should have to do so
[02:22] mhz, good morning!
[02:23] neurogeek: guten morgen
[02:23] hmmm...
[02:23] neurogeek: you speak spanish, right?
[02:23] i usually worked off the customising knoppix guides.
[02:24] i wonder if there's a similar one for ubuntu.
[02:24] that might be the best bet.
[02:24] edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecs
[02:24] edoo: google for customise ubuntu livecd
[02:24] highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found
[02:24] highvoltage: Google found 'Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings', at "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/"
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[02:24] hehehe
[02:25] highvoltage: I can google as well, but I was wondering if you could have some ideas
[02:25] mhz, si.. jeje
[02:25] neurogeek: are you participating in this maracaibo congress?
[02:26] highvoltage: ie. how much do you usually take on making your own livecd from scratch and what implements you used
[02:26] mhz: seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?
[02:26] anyone here who could help fix a broken idle?
[02:27] mhz: they were small ones, mostly for my own education. the one i worked hardest at was for a generic gnu/linux installer i want to finish one day.
[02:27] jelkner: i'm not very good with cars, but i can try?
[02:27] lol, great!
[02:27] a bit of background
[02:28] idle will not start on this system
[02:28] jelkner: hi there, let's try
[02:28] it works on the newer edubuntu systems i've setup
[02:28] but this one was a prerelease that has been upgraded
[02:28] highvoltage: and in average, how many hours?
[02:28] i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but no luck
[02:28] here is the error message:
[02:28] mhz, yes.. we'll be there talking about Cuaima and about the Venezuelan linux distro :)
[02:28] i think you could customise and ubuntu livecd in a day or two, if you have the time.
[02:29] jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle
[02:29] Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:29] File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ?
[02:29] main()
[02:29] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main
[02:29] root = Tk(className="Idle")
[02:29] mhz, are you going??
[02:29] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__
[02:29] self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use)
[02:29] _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
[02:29] mhz: i would also try to get in contact with the ubuntu guys who put together the livecd, perhaps they have some scripts that will help you get it down to just a few hours.
[02:30] jelkner: how did you install idle? apt-get install idle?
[02:30] neurogeek: I have no money to yet, but YES! I'd love to go and talk about many stuff, esp. our intent to do the Inst. Tecnologias Libres para L.A.
[02:30] yup
[02:30] and when i removed it, it did --purge
[02:31] i'm just installing idle too... just a moment...
[02:31] yours will probably work
[02:31] i've only had this problem in this system
[02:31] jelkner: sorry, I can't install idle right now so I can reproduce errors :(
[02:31] oh
[02:31] which we setup at the end of august and then upgraded
[02:32] ohh
[02:32] jelkner: is idle a devel app?
[02:32] mhz: yes
[02:32] mhz, great idea!! i hope you can go and we get a time to talk about stuff
[02:33] jelkner: apt-get install python-tk
[02:33] neurogeek: so far.. funds are tending to zero :)
[02:33] highvoltage: let me try...
[02:33] that *might* help. as far as i can deduce it looks like you don't have that installed.
[02:33] mhz, oopps!!
[02:34] jelkner: no, seems i'm wrong, ignore me :)
[02:34] neurogeek: however, I can get to convince one of the institutions here to support us, maybe I can get there
[02:34] i think that might be one for #ubuntu
[02:34] or the lists
[02:34] highvoltage: no change
[02:34] jelkner: have you installed python-dev ?
[02:34] hold on...
[02:34] mhz, good luck.. i do hope so!!
[02:35] neurogeek: thx
[02:35] me too
[02:36] mhz: it shouldn't matter, i installed idle through apt
[02:36] so there shouldn't be missing dependencies
[02:36] i would file a bug report
[02:36] only it is not a general problem
[02:36] a new edubuntu install won't have it
[02:37] but this was an august prerelease that has been upgraded
[02:37] jelkner: do you have python2.4-tk installed?
[02:37] zakame: yes, idle depends on it
[02:38] jelkner: can you apt-get --reinstall install python2.4-tk and try idle again?
[02:39] zakame: i did that, i even uninstalled idle, python2.4-tk and reinstalled both
[02:39] same problem
[02:41] jelkner: weired that problem indeed is :)
[02:42] how about updating {tcl,tk}8.4?
[02:42] mhz: i'm going to uninstall all python and tk related stuff that won't break other things
[02:43] then i'll try reinstalling idle
[02:43] let me see how that goes
[02:43] jelkner: are you using AMD, x86 or PPC?
[02:44] mhz: x86
[02:44] dual xeon
[02:45] ok
[02:45] jelkner: tried #python ?
[02:46] jelkner: neurogeek manages python very well (IIRC he's a developer on python)
[02:46] neurogeek: any ideas with jelkner's issue?
[02:47] mhz, let me read to see i can be of any help
[02:49] jelkner, what have you installed so far and what ubuntu version are you running?
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[02:50] highvoltage: thx
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[02:57] ok, catch you guys a bit later.
[02:57] bye!
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[03:55] any python hackers here at the moment?
[03:56] i'm trying to follow this traceback that is preventing idle from running
[03:56] i've tried uninstalling *all* python packages i could, including idle an tk, but after reinstalling idle, the problem persists
[03:58] well, dump idle, use another editor instead :p
[03:58] jelkner, tell me
[03:59] jelkner, whats the error??
[03:59] jelkner@edubuntu:~$ idle
[03:59] Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:59] File "/usr/bin/idle", line 5, in ?
[03:59] main()
[03:59] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/idlelib/PyShell.py", line 1350, in main
[03:59] root = Tk(className="Idle")
[03:59] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1569, in __init__
[03:59] self.tk = _tkinter.create(screenName, baseName, className, interactive, wantobjects, useTk, sync, use)
[03:59] _tkinter.TclError: this isn't a Tk applicationunknown color name "Black"
[04:00] not much in /usr/bin/idle
[04:00] i don't know where "Black" is coming from
[04:01] so the error is actually coming from tk, yes?
[04:01] yes
[04:01] thats the main problem..
[04:01] what version of TK are you using??
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[04:03] better.
[04:03] neurogeek: tk8.4
[04:04] neurogeek: here is the strange part, on an fresh edubuntu install, this problem does not occur
[04:04] this system was an august prerelease install that was updated
[04:05] so there is something that wasn't removed during the upgrades that is causing the problem
[04:05] i've tried uninstalling and reinstalling tk8.4 several times
[04:05] but i can't get rid of the problem
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[04:08] G'day All
[04:09] heya Yagisan
[04:09] jelkner, lets see.. it shouldn't matter because you are using the same packages
[04:10] jelkner, sounds you are still missing some deps
[04:11] So whats up ? I had a rather nice 3 day weekend, which was finished off with terrorist raids a few suburbs away =-O
[04:12] jelkner, or your libraries are way too wrong
[04:14] neurogeek: so, what can i do?
[04:15] hi folks, is that ok if I publish an (U/Edu)buntu management script on edubuntu wiki under the following license? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5
[04:15] i could bite the bullet, and reinstall edubuntu
[04:15] not yet.. lets see if we cabn work it out
[04:15] moving home directories and getting the info i need from /etc/passwd /etc/group /etc/shadow
[04:16] yes, i would rather not have to reinstall
[04:16] jelkner, did you apt-get update??
[04:16] yes
[04:16] many, many time, since august
[04:16] jelkner, Ok
[04:16] s/times/time
[04:16] i would do this then.. i would download tk source code and idel source code to see if it works...
[04:17] hmm... but that would mean i still have a broken tk on the system
[04:18] which will probably cause other problems in the future
[04:19] bluefrog-10: IIRC the wiki already is all covered by http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[04:19] i'm open to trying to get rid of the current tk in a more complete way (did apt-get remove tk8.4 --purge still leave artifacts that are causing this?)
[04:19] but i would prefer to reinstall then to try messing around with source installs
[04:20] hmm, that reminds me, I need to ask mhz about restoring authorship credits on the wiki
[04:21]