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Well the one thing that’s absolutely correct is the height of the Star Saga Marine which is 35mm to the top of the head excluding the base (I checked last night)

I just don't think they have seen a big enough drop/enough complaints to justify changing the whole line. Hellboy being 43mm has been on the page since day 1. If they do make a change, they will do it queitly. But it seems unlikely without a lot of resculpting. Shrink that Lobster Johnson down until he is the same height as the Star Saga Marine and his head will be tiny and his arms super thin. Add to that the group of 3-4 regular commenters who like them huge because they are boardgamers and say so every time someone brings up the scale, and you have a recipe for no changes.

Bud Waller has joined the crew as a playable BPRD Agent and Back-Up Agent. In Wake the Devil, Bud Waller meets an untimely end at the hands of Roger (before he joins the BPRD) so hopefully you can help him survive a little longer. With Bud in the pledge, you'l now be able to play as a BPRD-only team. The BPRD agents won't have as many special abilities as Hellboy and the crew, but they will work well together - so keep them close and keep them safe! So, what's next?

We've had numerous requests to make Target Priority markers for Lobster Johnson and Roger - so all the standard agents in the core pledge will have their own Target Priority bust (alongside the cardboard token). With regards to the Back-up Agents that were turned into playable agents and characters from the Hellboy in Mexico expansion, we are hoping to make resin versions of these and add them as an optional extra in the pledge manager - so stay tuned. The Agent Pledge box is already pretty full and our operations manager is having sleepless nights about cramming everything in!

Our next goal is another exciting scenario! This will be based around Herman von Klempt and his loyal Kriegaffe. It will use the troopers from the Conqueror Worm expansion and maybe throw in some surprises along way... a chance encounter with Kroenen, perhaps? Although we don't want to spoil the surprise.

Finally, it's the last week of the campaign T^T and it's been a rollercoaster of emotions and excitement. But don't worry because we've still got a few surprises up our sleeve! Wednesday will see a brand new expansion added to the optional extras (feel free to speculate about what that will be in the comments) and we might even have some more bad guys entering the fray...

2018/05/21 13:06:18

Subject: Re:[KS] Mantic Games - Hellboy board game - now live and funded

The priority markers are unlocked and the next one has been revealed...

mantic wrote:Our next stretch goal is a little one that should hopefully be blasted through in no-time tomorrow when Add-on Wednesday goes live. Currently enemies have their wounds marked on the board with cardboard tokens. However, we've seen numerous comments from backers that were worried the board could become a little cluttered. In order to help keep down the clutter, we'll add plastic cubes to use as wound markers. These can be easily placed on the base of minions or the boss to track how much damage they've taken.

Came back to see what other people thought of this. KS comments are bad as usual. (Some things never change).

Not a fan of the Value filling duplicates in the core pledge. Turns a "must by" into a "wait till Mantic sells it at half price" at retail.

The lack of a buzz here suggests my suspicions are right. Good luck Mantic, but considering I never opened the Star Saga box, I think I may pass on this, although I like the concept.

I think there is a lot less excitement generally for KS's these days in the forum, I think it's in part because the novelty has warn off and you have to really push the boundaries to get people excited as they once were. Possibly Kingdom Death was the last one that seemed to explode, it seemed to get the sweet-spot between a lack of availability previously and a mystique around the new product.

Although, over £1.2 million and still going, they have obviously done something right!

Dreyf wrote:Strech goals being added to an extension and not to the pledge (because the box is full)?!?
Is it something usual in kickstarters?

I was going to add some extensions to my pledge, but I think that I will stay with the basic pledge: I don't condone the principle.

Yes, it has become pretty common over the last few years. For example, the recent Zombicide campaign did the same thing. That campaign also had higher pledge levels that received exclusive stretch goals with the basic pledge missing out.

Mantic were upfront from the beginning that they had added a lot more value into the starting offer then you would normally get and do away with fake stretch goals unlocking what should have been in there to begin with. They were upfront that this would mean less stretch goals then usual and have actually been generous in what they have provided so far considering this.

Having some stretch goals for the addon bundle opens up more options to a) create additional stretch goals that may not be possible to add to the core pledge and b) encourage a big pickup in addon money to help unlock more stretch goals for all backers.

Came back to see what other people thought of this. KS comments are bad as usual. (Some things never change).

Not a fan of the Value filling duplicates in the core pledge. Turns a "must by" into a "wait till Mantic sells it at half price" at retail.

The lack of a buzz here suggests my suspicions are right. Good luck Mantic, but considering I never opened the Star Saga box, I think I may pass on this, although I like the concept.

I think there is a lot less excitement generally for KS's these days in the forum, I think it's in part because the novelty has warn off and you have to really push the boundaries to get people excited as they once were. Possibly Kingdom Death was the last one that seemed to explode, it seemed to get the sweet-spot between a lack of availability previously and a mystique around the new product.

Although, over £1.2 million and still going, they have obviously done something right!

A lot of the reduced excitement is also down to board / miniature gamers being a pretty limited group and these Kickstarter campaign pledges take up a massive amount of room once you add in stretch goals and addons. We all have limited space and a couple of big Kickstarter campaigns can fill a spare room (the original Shadows of Brimstone all in pledge does a pretty good job of doing this all on its own).

I have passed on several very interesting campaigns in last few years just because space in my spare room (used exclusively for my PC desk and board game storage) has almost run out entirely. I have several massive games I haven’t even touched yet, still sitting in the cardboard shipping boxes. What was an instant back four years ago now gets a quick glance over and that’s it. Mantic and Hellboy is one of the few games that interests me enough to actually pick up.

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2018/05/23 19:22:06

Subject: Re:[KS] Mantic Games - Hellboy board game - now live and funded

It's a bit different to that (but still as ridiculous to be complaining about).

The original plan was to have the main pledge come in four boxes and have these stored inside a large box. These boxes are for the main games, 2 expansions and stretch goals. They decided today that it would make more sense and work out much better if they just combined all the small boxes straight into the big box as would make it smaller, more secure and better quality. This has upset people who want the separate original boxes just for collection purposes, because they want the original box to sell off one of the expansions, etc.

They have also added a bundle for the 2 expansion addons which will also combine them into a second big box. This bundle also comes with additional stretch goals (2 so far). People are upset that the first stretch goal was an enemy that was in demand and they instead want it unlocked as a main stretch goal or want everyone stretch goal to be for the main pledge as don't want to pay extra. They are also upset as they wont get separate boxes for the two expansions for collection or sale purposes, etc.

The stretch goals with the addon bundle are not kickstarter exclusive and will be available at retail. Due to the generous original pledge level Mantic are not able to make these goals for everyone but can make them goals for those who buy addons.

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With the floating Japanese heads, we really want to create a Japanese-themed set. So we asked Mike Mignola if we could produce a new miniature based on some concept art included in Right Hand of Doom.

He was happy to give us the go ahead and thus the Oni miniature was created. This miniature stands around the same size as Hellboy and will be great to pop into missions alongside the floating heads or the beasts from the BPRD Archives expansion.

One of our favourite parts of the campaign was the Requisition Card competition we held. This was a chance for backers to come up with their own ideas for items that could be used in the game. There were so many great suggestions and we were disappointed we couldn't use more. So, we'll dig through those suggestions once more and include five extra Requisition cards in the Agent pledge. We'll update backers after the campaign has finished to let everyone know which ones we chose.

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oh and its almost (26 hours) down to the last day

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As you know, our next stretch goal is the dastardly Igor Bromhead - a recurring thorn in Hellboy's side. With this goal we'll produce a miniature of Igor Bromhead looking suitably crafty! But after that? Well as we enter the final 24 hours we wanted to make sure we had something big and exciting...

Step up to the plate: Saint Leonard's Worm. This mighty creature is seen in the Right Hand of Doom collection as part of the story: The Nature of the Beast. With this stretch goal, we'll produce a miniature for Saint Leonard's Worm along with a new confrontation. Will the Visitor be here to save Hellboy this time?

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I am surprised that more people aren't bothered by the 40mm tall Nazis.

I must be in the minority wanting to use the miniatures in other pulp or fantasy settings. Hopefully I can get the Frogmen separately at some point.

Given the success of this KS, I can see Hellboy becoming a staple of the (somewhat crowded) Mantic game lineup with annual or so big box expansion releases. It is nice to see them get lucky, as I am still rooting for them despite not being a customer for several years.

Gallahad wrote:I am surprised that more people aren't bothered by the 40mm tall Nazis.

I must be in the minority wanting to use the miniatures in other pulp or fantasy settings.

I understand buying a KS and thinking 'thats a heap of minis i can use in different settings', I have done similar with Zombicide (modern setting) and Shadows of Brimstone (western + fantasy) but I dont really get it when it comes to Nazis though, they are plentiful in many metal and plastic ranges.

If you want cheap 28mm nazis, cant you just buy a box of bolt action germans, you can even arm and pose them how you wish, If the 30 nazis arnt usable there is still 90 other models, 30 frogs, 30 asst beasts + 30 others.

It doesnt strike me as a KS to buy just for the models though they seem quite limited in applications (except for the 30 beasts they look cool) and if you want the Hellboy themed models you probably want the game itself. Just my opinion though

Since if I use them anywhere else it will be in some sort of weird WWII game rather than a historical one I've decided they will be genuine Nazi Übermensch created with occult technology

so being 7 feet tall will be totally reasonable

(although i'd have preferred them be a bit smaller…… and since they're PVC you never know they may end up that way anyway)

oh and the Frogmen had a retail price against them so will get a separate release (although whether stores will bother picking them up i'm not convinced, you may need to buy direct from mantic I think they were scheduled for $18)

Gallahad wrote:I am surprised that more people aren't bothered by the 40mm tall Nazis.

I must be in the minority wanting to use the miniatures in other pulp or fantasy settings.

I understand buying a KS and thinking 'thats a heap of minis i can use in different settings', I have done similar with Zombicide (modern setting) and Shadows of Brimstone (western + fantasy) but I dont really get it when it comes to Nazis though, they are plentiful in many metal and plastic ranges.

If you want cheap 28mm nazis, cant you just buy a box of bolt action germans, you can even arm and pose them how you wish, If the 30 nazis arnt usable there is still 90 other models, 30 frogs, 30 asst beasts + 30 others.

It doesnt strike me as a KS to buy just for the models though they seem quite limited in applications (except for the 30 beasts they look cool) and if you want the Hellboy themed models you probably want the game itself. Just my opinion though

Exactly. They will have chosen a scale that they think works best with the sculpts and for the board game. Obviously the consideration for this has been greater than the requirement that people might buy into this KS because they want to make an occult Nazi army.

As you say, that might be a bit annoying, but there are tons of 'weird war 2' type miniatures out there, it's probably one of the most popular pseudo-historical settings out there.

I suppose there's the reverse view too. If you love the game so much, you go and pick up some figures from some of the other WW2/wierd war 2 ranges, and they just don't fit right because they are too small.

Either way I am still backed, I am trying to work out if to get the £75 big box too. It's a lot of money for a board game I won't play more than a few times

So, even though there were hints that they would re-clarify the re-clarification on the scale of the regular human sized minis here, they in fact did not re-clarify and/or state that they'd be...smaller?