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Misdirection is a funny thing but I'll wait and see how Kishi will explain how Obito was THE FIRST MIZUKAGE. Tobi vs Minato and Konan doesn't really indicate anything against him being Obito since they both happened after Obito presumably died, but giving him the Rinnegan and being the first Mizukage are pretty big plot-holes. I don't see how you can deny them as such.

I think when Kisame met Tobi the first time, it was Izuna who was the first Mizukage (remember the long hair Tobi had when he met Kisame and later Itachi) and Izuna and Zetsu brainwashed Obito or made his hatred against Kakashi, Konoha and dying in war bigger and tought him everything, then Izuna died or was killed by Obito OR Izuna posses Obito.

I think when Kisame met Tobi the first time, it was Izuna who was the first Mizukage (remember the long hair Tobi had when he met Kisame and later Itachi) and Izuna and Zetsu brainwashed Obito or made his hatred against Kakashi, Konoha and dying in war bigger and tought him everything, then Izuna died or was killed by Obito OR Izuna posses Obito.

I'm sold. Tobi is therefore multiple people? I think I can live with this.

I'm still don't see the similarity between Naruto and Obito, or at least nothing beyond a fairly simplistic level. True Obito was brash and I guess his clan was something of a burden, but he was still an above-average shinobi that became a chuunin by the age of 11, and was well on his way to his own personal greatness shortly before his death. At best he could be described as a Naruto-lite, but even that feels like a simplistic description. No, Obito was a unique character and shoehorning him (and Jiraiya, and any other character placed in one of the team trios) to Naruto seems a tad disingenuous.

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hmm.... well, let's do some positive thinking...
maybe 'real Tobi' is controlling Obito from his hideout just like how Nagato controlled Yahiko

I'm not sure how that is "positive". Tobi is either Obito or he is not. Using half-measures does the character no good and ultimately feels like pandering to the audience.

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Misdirection is a funny thing but I'll wait and see how Kishi will explain how Obito was THE FIRST MIZUKAGE.

Who said Tobi was ever the 1st Mizukage? Kisame recognizing him need be nothing more than Kisame recognizing the man who controlled Yagura (consequently making Tobi the "real" Mizukage even if he was never elected).

That's what I had thought too, although it's a bit of a stretch to think any old Sharingan can use Izanagi.

Any old Sharingan CAN use Izanagi.

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I'm still don't see the similarity between Naruto and Obito, or at least nothing beyond a fairly simplistic level. True Obito was brash and I guess his clan was something of a burden, but he was still an above-average shinobi that became a chuunin by the age of 11, and was well on his way to his own personal greatness shortly before his death. At best he could be described as a Naruto-lite, but even that feels like a simplistic description. No, Obito was a unique character and shoehorning him (and Jiraiya, and any other character placed in one of the team trios) to Naruto seems a tad disingenuous.

No need to get defensive. Having parallel roles does not mean the characters have to be carbon copies of eachother. Hell, the only requisite to be a Sakura is to be a girl.

Explaining the eye that was lost in the Konan fight! I'm subscribing to said theory! Thank you!

as Dengar said... he lost his eye in the battle against Konan when he used Izanagi and is some radom sharingan from his lab....

I would say "it's explaining why Tobi (when he met Kisame and Itachi with long hairs) wear this white mask with one whole for the left eye.
lets say Tobi was Izuna till he fought against Minato and/or till he met Itachi...

then Obito became Tobi and got a new mask... the orange one... and Izuna became a part of Zetsu which explains why Zetsu is talking like someone with Schizophrenia.

hmm.... well, let's do some positive thinking...
maybe 'real Tobi' is controlling Obito from his hideout just like how Nagato controlled Yahiko

after seeing recycled concepts again and again like the Love Triangle concept in naruto (nagato, konan, yahiko) and (naruto, sakura, sasuke) and now (kakashi, rin, obito) i guess that is possible to happen like others said Obito has his body but is controlled or possesed by Uchiha Izuna maybe

No need to get defensive. Having parallel roles does not mean the characters have to be carbon copies of eachother. Hell, the only requisite to be a Sakura is to be a girl.

Defensive?

That wasn't my point. Kishimoto himself is trying to argue that Naruto could become Tobi/Obito based on their simplistic comparison. Being brash and liking a girl who doesn't like you does not equal trying to take over the world.

As an aside, Sakura gets a bit of a bum rap (especially due to anime filler and the recent debacle with Sasuke after the Danzou fight), but she is an actual three dimensional character (more so than Naruto and Sasuke at times). Sure, she is a brat, weak and 'useless', but she is still standing there with the titans and trying to do her best. She is a normal girl amongst the elite (honestly, she reminds me more of Obito than Naruto does). I can still recall how quickly she jumped in front of that Old Bridge Builder way back when, attempting to defend him, even though she knew she was the weakest link. She makes mistakes, sometimes she learns from them other times she regresses, but she has always constantly sought to improve herself (even if only by minute steps or for the wrong reasons), eventually becoming one of the most powerful female characters in the entire series (for whatever that is worth in a series that seems to intentionally limit the power (or at least never showcase the power) of its female characters). Sakura is, to me, the most human character in the series. (That being said, it is fun to make fun of Sakura...)