quote:Originally posted by concernedI haven't posted here in a long time or even acknowledged the subject, but I see not much has changed. All I can say is it fascinates me how the chemtrail debate along with any other contreversy instantly draws two sides of opinions. I've come to realize we're never going to find an answer. We as humans are biologically predisposed to beliefs and we feel the need to project them and find comfort by communicating with others who feel the same. This all probably looks childish and I'm not trying to preach. It's just after taking psychology and reading a bunch, you realize how these questions have always plagued humanity and how we are conditioned to believe what we do.
My only point here being relax a little, continue to research and hey, maybe even try and work in one of our ominous agencies to try and find more answers. I've seen some rediculous posts here about acussing eachother of being paid agents comparable to McCarthyism or the witch trials! That is all

They are trying to legalise chemtrail spraying right now. I'm not stepping on that post, please go there.

These links are to old and no longer work but the info did exist. NWO cleanup, The stories have disappeared. Copies of the original news link info below.

(Jul. 31, 2007) — Scientists are reporting development of the first test to detect a potential biomarker for human exposure to diesel exhaust, a major source of environmental pollution that is classified as a probable ... > read more
Air Pollutants Alone May Cause Asthma Attacks (Nov. 11, 2003) — UCLA researchers have shown for the first time that diesel exhaust particles alone may be enough to induce acute asthma attacks. A new testing method used in an animal model helped researchers better ... > read more
Air Pollution Linked To Clogged Arteries (Jul. 27, 2007) — Got high cholesterol? Better stay away from air pollution. So says a new study linking diesel exhaust to atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries, which significantly increases one's risk for ... > read more
Air Pollution Linked With Risk For Exercise-Induced Heart Damage (Jul. 30, 2002) — Breathing polluted air, especially smoky exhaust that billows from factory smokestacks and the tailpipes of some diesel-powered buses and trucks, is bad for people with heart disease, according to ... > read more
Scientists Identify Genes That Regulate Allergic Response To Diesel Fumes (Jan. 12, 2004) — The risk of developing respiratory allergies from exposure to diesel emissions depends largely on genetics, according to a study funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases ... > read more

Toxins mixed together can produce reactions 1000s of time more toxic than the parent chemicals. There is no study on this for chemtrails. there are studies for this on pesticides , herbicides , and industrial hormones. The really scary part is the people voting on the new bill to legalize chentrails aren't qualified to even look at the bill. There is not a chemical engineer or Chemical scientist among them and no one with less than a dotoret in chemical science is. All the ingrediants of chemtrails have not yet been identified. There seem to be many mixtures that expand and react in the atmosphere differently. I'm sure a full disclosure has not been made to Congress and Congress is going to review the facts set in front of then as gospel, chapter and verse. If there was anything legit about the chemtrail program we would know everything about it, This seems to be above top secret, probably indicating it is a clandestine campaign.

You bet I've been swearing, I'm trying to save and better American lives, blace, white, red, yellow, Christian, Jew, Muslum, Hindu, Budist, Atheist, of all political backgrounds and sexual orientations. Can I get these people to listen that I was born and raised with or their children? Maybe,couple but I'm not sure, I don't usually provide links, just the topics. The reason is it would only indicate my views. I want people to educate themselves of the pros and the cons on the subject so you can make up your minds on your own. Is everybody to lazy? I provided you some links today and I left the topic for interaction of toxin for you to discover. How many of you will produce any effort in that direction?

The data is still evolving as the chemical properties of the spray has many formulas, however all analysis has brought a negative health result to date._________________Thomas Jefferson. " Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

stitcherman

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ancient fable of chemtrailsThu Apr 24, 2008 12:29 pm

ancient fable of chemtrails spoken of at 1 hr 34 minutes to 1 hr 36 minutes.
Talk of fine gold dust particles sprayed in atmosphere to repair damage and protect from cosmic rays, filmed in 1999.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3531_________________". . . that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God." -- Thomas Jefferson's Last Letter, June 24, 1826

mr. jones

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Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:21 pm

People are in denial. denial is a person´s first defense against facing reality.

They see chemtrails in the sky but deny they are real.

Because if they accept them then their whole little bubble of fantasy will burst and their entire life´s projections and goals will go down in a single swoop.

They will have to accept that they are simple mortals after all and that life is just a theater.

Everyone wearing masks.

Too bad they´re not chemical masks though._________________"The whole aim of practical politics is
to keep the populace alarmed, and thus clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of
hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

stitcherman

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Fri May 02, 2008 2:37 pm

Here is an audio giving more possibilities of what chemtrails are all about.
The intreview starts probably 30 minutes in, and lasts 90 minutes.
http://theedgeam.com/edgetvarchives/thursdays/thursday1May2008.htm
"On the the show this week: Edge Correspondent Gina Romano talks to Bill Gallagher about Chemtrails. Bill Gallagher is living in New Mexico, but he has traveled extensively during the last 8 years photographing Chemtrails in their relation to ENMOD (Environmental Modification) and Mind Control in the United States. Bill served four years in the Air Force and was in the Air Force when he first noticed chemtrails in the 1970s. Bill Gallagher has written a book entitled Devilvision: The Worlds New Wireless Grid, which includes "Pertinent History And The First Ever Discussion of Active Auroral Behavior Modification and Surveillance Technology."
There is lots of infomation there.
I will say it is really worth a listen.
"Law enforcment in america today; is the new taxation grid for the new world order" Bill Gallagher_________________". . . that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God." -- Thomas Jefferson's Last Letter, June 24, 1826

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Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:13 pm

http://alexansary.com/
Alex's show with news then interviews scott stevens from weatherwars.net
less than an hour.
Alex calls out scott on the elections and peak oil starts at 42 minutes and then goes on a 10 minute rant on this and that._________________". . . that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God." -- Thomas Jefferson's Last Letter, June 24, 1826

PAK

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Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:03 pm

I thought the interview with Scott Stevens was interesting and informative. But, I have to agree with Alex that he then spins it off into global warming as if average humans are causing it and nations have to get on board with the Kyoto Protocol. One cannot discuss global warming without addressing the arial spraying and HAARP and since those perpetrating this outrage are not forthcoming to us average Joes, then all this environmental nonsense is a moot point. I think he may just spin it into aliens have invaded us and are in control - even the man he interviewed from Lockheed Martin, Boyd Bushman, joked about it during the interview Scott did with him. Unfortunately he only put up a very short clip of the interview with Bushman and none with Eastlund. Hopefully he'll eventually post the entire interviews. It's not like everybody gets to interview these men._________________... we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably will always exist to get people to love their servitude. Aldous Huxley

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Abilene man wants to warn you about the dangers of 'chemtraiSun Jul 06, 2008 4:28 pm

Abilene man wants to warn you about the dangers of 'chemtrails'
Darrin McBreen wants people to look up in the sky -- and contemplate what might be happening up there that might be affecting us down here.

McBreen, 41, has created a popular YouTube video, featuring footage shot in Abilene, examining "chemtrails," a term derived from the belief of some researchers that certain jet plane contrails dump chemicals on an unsuspecting populace below.

'Stem rust' fungus threatens global wheat harvestNew variety of an old crop disease called "stem rust" can infect crops in just a few hours and vast clouds of invisible spores can be carried by the wind for hundreds of miles

John Vidal, environment editor guardian.co.uk, Thursday 19 March 2009
New variety of an old crop disease called “stem rust” can infect crops in just a few hours.

Photograph: Steve Satushek/Getty images

The world's leading crop scientists issued a stark warning that a deadly airborne fungus could devastate wheat harvests in poor countries and lead to famines and civil unrest over significant regions of central Asia and Africa.

Ug99 — so called because it was first seen in Uganda in 1999 — is a new variety of an old crop disease called "stem rust", which has already spread on the wind from Africa to Iran. It is particularly alarming because it can infect crops in just a few hours and vast clouds of invisible spores can be carried by the wind for hundreds of miles.

Scientists meeting in Mexico this week at a summit on Ug99 worry it will continue travelling east and infect major wheat growing centres in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, which produce nearly 15% of the world's wheat and feed more than a billion of the world's poorest people. Plant breeders are now racing against time to develop new resistant wheat strains and distribute the seeds around the world.

The fungus was thought to have largely disappeared since the 1960s when original disease-resistant varieties were developed and planted. But Ug99 has evolved to take advantage of those varieties, and it is now believed that 80-90% of all wheat varieties grown in developing countries are susceptible to the new fungus.

The Nobel prize-winner Norman Borlaug, who is credited with helping India and other countries avoid famines in the 1960s by developing high yielding crop strains, said: "This thing has immense potential for social and human destruction. It is capable of severely damaging virtually all of the world's commercial bread wheat. It is a problem that goes far beyond wheat production in developing countries. Sooner or later it will be found throughout the world, including North America, Europe, Australia and South America."

The new version of what scientists believe was one of the Biblical plagues has spread from Uganda to Kenya, and then to Ethiopia and southern Sudan. Where the spores attack, a wheat crop can be turned into a tangle of blackened and broken stems in a few days. Up to 80% yield losses were recently recorded in Kenya and Uganda, though fortunately neither of these countries wholly depends on wheat as a staple crop .

But in 2007, it jumped the Red Sea, possibly as a result of Cyclone Gonu, and is now widespread in Yemen and Iran. Wheat is a major crop in Iran, but its progress has been slowed by a long-term drought that has inhibited its growth.

"Kenya is having recurring epidemics, the situation is getting worse in southern Sudan and it is now widespread in Ethiopia," said Rick Ward, co-ordinator of the Durable Rust Resistance in Wheat project, based at Cornell university. "The likelihood is that it has already spread beyond Iran. We would be foolish to believe that other countries in central Asia, such as Afghanistan and Pakistan, are not already at risk. Places like Kazakhstan, Turkey, Ukraine are all susceptible."

Ward predicted that Ug99 would inevitably spread much further, potentially into regions where wheat is a staple crop for hundreds of millions of people. "It is a certainty that it will expand its area," he said. "It will continue to move and wherever it is present and the crops are susceptible it will potentially lead to a disaster of catastrophic proportions, which will translate into widespread food insecurity and civil unrest." Global wind models suggest the crop disease may next spread into Pakistan, Afghanistan and India.

Large wheat farmers in developed countries can buy expensive fungicides, which they must apply several times to protect their crops, but very few of the small farmers in Asia can afford the chemicals.

However, scientists at the meeting reported rapid progress in developing newly disease-resistant wheat varieties. According to plant geneticist Ravi Singh, a project leader at the International Wheat and Maize Improvement Centre in Mexico, 60 disease-resistant varieties have been developed via conventional breeding, some of which are thought to be not only resistant to Ug99, but higher-yielding than today's most popular varieties. Countries such as Bangladesh and Pakistan are already being helped to multiply resistant seeds for future harvests, he said.

But it usually takes at least five years to cross disease-resistant lines with wheat varieties adapted to local conditions and then grow enough seed to plant fields. "We are making rapid progress but it will take years to distribute enough new varieties" said Ward.

Ug99 "stem-rust" fungus

• Ug99 is resistant to the three major anti-rust genes used to protect nearly all the world's wheat.

• The fungus reproduces to release billions of identical spores, which can blow hundreds of miles in the wind

• It attacks the above-ground part of plants and unlike other strains, can cause 100% crop loss

• The US army produced wheat rust as part of its biological weapons programme in the 1960s_________________... we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably will always exist to get people to love their servitude. Aldous Huxley