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The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast networkSun, 02 Aug 2015 20:43:36 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.5By: MarkTheGreathttp://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/19/all-i-need-is-the-air-that-i-breathe/comment-page-4/#comment-1899856
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:17:14 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=44513#comment-1899856Hansen recently testified in England that a group of people who trespassed and vandalized a power plant were justified because of the damage that CO2 was doing to the planet.

He has also recently compared trains that transport coal to power plants to the trains that carried Jews to the Nazi extermination plants.

He has been quoted as saying that we only have few more years to save civilization itself.

On Aug. 4, however, the well-known climate change skeptic and former mining executive Steven McIntyre — who previously challenged climatologist Michael Mann’s 1998 finding that temperatures have increased rapidly since 1900 A.D., compared with the previous thousand years, forming a distinctive “hockey stick” temperature pattern — observed a strange jump in the U.S. data occurring around January 2000. He sent an e-mail to NASA about his observation, and the agency responded with an e-mail acknowledging a flaw in the calculations and thanking him for his help…Most significantly for climate change skeptics, however, the year 1934 now edges out 1998 as the hottest year in the United States.

Jim Hansen gets all of his funding from global warming govt. agencies…he has been on the dole of global warming for decades…prior to that, we was advocating global cooling, because govt. funding was given for that.
A better person to rely on is Timothy Ball (Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg) or even better is Richard Lindzen (Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences) the world’s foremost authority on climate, and someone who does not accept govt. funding regarding climate change policies.
But then if you read Dr. Lindzen, you would either have to give up your global warming for now, or just ignore the world’s foremost authority…and someone not on the govt. dole.

This site has spent the last year or two doing a survey of US meteorological sites.

This is the NOAA rating system for such stations.
The third column is the percentage of stations that earn this rating.
rating error percentage
CRN1 <= 1C 3%
CRN2 = 1C 20%
CRN4 >= 2C 58%
CRN5 >= 5C 11%

The CRN rating system only deals with the area within 100 meters of the recording station.

By NOAA standards, only stations with a CRN1 or CRN2 rating are supposed to be used for weather predictions.

(I must add that almost all of the potential sources of error result in heating. Errors that cause cooling are few and far between.)

As you can see only 11% of the stations rated so far meet the minimal standards for such stations. The number of stations ranked CRN5 errors greater than 5C equals the number of acceptable stations.

The NOAA standards have nothing to say about the larger issue of urbanization that is further than 100meters from the recording station.

Just a casual review of the GPS coordinates for these stations show that most of them are in areas suffering from substantial UHI increases over the last 100 years.

Studies have shown that even small towns, as small as 10,000 in population can create a noticeable UHI affect.

Finally, this network was created to aid weathermen in making short term weather forecasts. It was never designed to record climatic data. The result is that the data from the network is useless for climatic purposes.

Dead zones have gotten much larger thanks to modern agriculture, sad to say. It’s a real problem in the Gulf of Mexico, when areas the size of New Jersey have huge die-offs of aquatic life.

starfleet_dude on February 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Now you step into territory I know first hand…I have spent over 20 years along the gulf.
First, the real die off came from overfishing by the Japenese fishing fleet which “bought” their way into the gulf.
That caused an extreme upset of bio life in the gulf…they literally “netted” everything, and tore up the bottom of the relatively shallow gulf.
On top of that, El Nino came through in the 1980’s, a natural occurrence, documented for hundreds of years by the “vagabundos”.
Then, the coup do grace, was the over fertilization of the areas around the agriculture centers…in Sinaloa, around Guymas, Los Mochis, Culiacan…nothing to do with the co2 climate…but typical mis-management of rescources, and coupled with cyclical climate change.
Starfleet, you must learn to do some more research before buying into this crazy “global warming”, much of it is to cover up poor agriculture management by these countries…and yes, we have the same, look at the areas around the central valley of Ca. over fertilization has caused problems.

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Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:40:36 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=44513#comment-1899719Hey starfleet_dude, next time you grab yer towel and hitchhike a ride thru the galaxy, take a quick stop on Mars. To what do you attribute the ice caps melting & climate change there? Martian cow farts? “My Favorite Martian” riding around in his Hummer? Marvin the Martian flying around in his private Jetson-mobile? Capitalist pig martians? Martian overpopulation? Al Gore and the Obamartian heating their sprawling mansions to tropical climates so their martian orchids can flourish?

We earthlings are so selfish. If we really wanted to do some good, we would put a carbon tax on ALL carbon-based life forms on the blue planet, and then have the President of the World send those carbon credits to Mars where they could do some good buying 3rd world martians a new atmosphere.

Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

National Geographic

No one is denying that there was warming. I believe every chart shown so far has agreed in that regard. The point of contention is WHAT caused it, CO2 or the sun. Even your own chart shows it was the sun. Nevertheless, its moot now because CO2 is still increasing (that’s a good thing because its plant food) but the world is growing cold.

Unfortunately denialist talking points are a lot like zombies in how they keep coming up… ;-)

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Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:26:46 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=44513#comment-1899675Unlike denialist sources, Wiki is at least open to editing by outside parties, and while not perfect is a better resource for basic information as a result.

When even National Geographic says the Earth is warming, it’s pretty silly to claim it’s all some sort of conspiracy.

Do note that while the years after 1998 haven’t shown as much warming as 1998, they are still warmer than average and have only added the the warming seen over the past century.

starfleet_dude on February 20, 2009 at 12:00 PM

You give us a chart from Wiki, that is from an unknown source and doesn’t reference if these are ground or satellite readings. Dude, there is something seriously wrong with that chart, but you can believe that one if you want to.

The claim of the Warmies is that there is a “consensus” of scientists that say the temp is going up, and therefore all these economy ruining measures have to be taken, but thats a lame argument imo, you may find that scientists who claim that the climate is “changing” or that the global warming exists, but how many of those scientists have put their credibility on the line and have claimed that the rise in temps are going to result in the catastrophic events claimed by the fear mongers..or even that a slight rise in global temps is a bad thing? Where’s that list?

Maybe a rise of .06C is not even worth getting your shorts in a wad in the first place.

I for one think its one of the biggest money stealing scams to arrive on the scene P.O. (Pre-Obama)

Here’s a graph that depicts how global temperatures have trended upwards along with the amount of CO2 in the Earth atmosphere.

starfleet_dude on February 20, 2009 at 10:48 AM

You know what starfleet_dude, I like your graph. If you took the time to look at it closely you would notice the clear association between temperature and sunspots. Look at the period around 1975. What do you see there?

We see CO2 increasing… with temperature DECREASING, and look at sunspot activity for that same period, YES it is also DECREASING. There you have it, what is painfully obvious to any thinking person. Its the sun that drives climate, wow, what a revelation!!!

You say you still don’t believe me? Then look at the sunspot activity at the beginning of your graph during the Little Ice Age. Note the lack of sunspot activity. If that doesn’t do it for you, then you are lost to reason and I don’t think anyone can help you.

]]>By: MarkTheGreathttp://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/19/all-i-need-is-the-air-that-i-breathe/comment-page-4/#comment-1899499
Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:27:03 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=44513#comment-1899499Not that dudlet gives a flying flip for real data, but here’s a chart that shows worldwide temperatures and shows that indeed it has gotten cooler since 1998, not just “the rate of increase has lessened” as he so foolishly tried to claim a few posts ago.

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Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:23:16 +0000http://hotair.com/?p=44513#comment-1899494Here’s an article that shows that the increase in temperatures in Florida are 100% the result of urbanization.
Areas that did not urbanize actually cooled.