It's cool to see they will provide updates to 4.1 when it becomes available - like Suse plans to do. I decided to put Suse on a laptop when I get a new one (if it proves to be fast enough, that is), but Fedora only lost due to it's gnominess (most tools are gnome apps, and I personally don't like mixing very much when on low-end hardware, too slow).

" Fedora 9 will include KDE 4.1 when it is released in July of this year" that's really a very good news, but for opensuse it is still not decided http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/KDE_on_openSUSE11.0 , of course we can always install kde4.1 when it will be out, but an automatic update is even better

Well, the .kde4 settings in 4.0.3 didn't work with the 4.1 svn. For my system they screwed everything up and had to be deleted. After that, everything just worked fine. But that makes me wonder if it would make any sense at all to provide an automatic update to 4.1 once it's out and delete all the settings. Some users might prefer to keep their old ones.

If 4.1 chokes on 4.0 settings, surely that's a bug which has to be fixed?

Folks, if you run into problems, it would be helpful if you didn't delete .kde (or .kde4 if your distro uses that) outright, but tried removing individual files out of the way so we can figure out what _exact_ files are the problem, that way we (developers and/or packagers) should be able to fix it (either by fixing the code or by writing a kconf_update migration script). Automatically deleting all the settings is obviously not an option.

I'm using Fedora 8 and there is nm-applet (GNOMEs network manager systray app) integrated (in the KDE spin). However, there has been announced that there would be an update for KNetworkManager in Fedora 8, but that somehow never happened. Is there a new version of KNetworkManager integrated? It seems to me that development has stalled for this app... Any news?

Sadly, last we tried, knetworkmanager still wasn't ready for nm-0.7 (work is still undergoing). Understandable, since nm-0.7 isn't (officially) released either. Rest assured, when able and working, knetworkmanager (or some other kde nm interface) will make a re-appearance in fedora.

On the trail of distributions with KDE 4: I'm running openSUSE 11.0 Beta 3 with KDE 4.0.4 since a week or two. It works just without a flaw, and looks just great. Stephan Binner has posted a screenshot of the default KDE 4 desktop on his blog on kdedevelopers.org some weeks ago.

I've just install Fedora 9 because I was courios to enjoy KDE, but all gnome applications and in particular I mean Firefox and the network manager applet look so ugly compared to what they look with gnome.

I managed to partially fix it using gtk-qt-engine, but just once. With the next reboot I can't even log in in KDE.

He screamed at me when he noticed that his desktop is different from mine. That poor chap download the "Fedora Desktop Live Media" because he didn't think that "Fedora KDE Live Media" is for the desktop.

Agreed. It's a bit confusing that the GNOME version is called "Desktop", as if it was the only DE available. Despite the magnificent work of the KDE SIG, I see that Fedora is still biased towards Gnome/Gtk users. Hopefully this will continue to change to a more equal footing for all major DEs (yes, even Xfce).

what confussed me when I came from windows to linux was the whole x64 x86. I had no idea what any of that meant back then. And it took me ages to work it out :( might sound silly, but as a windows user, plug it in turn it on and that is all that I cared about. Oh wait that is linux, windows is plug it in, turn it on, run a antivirus, run a spyware scan, update anti virus, update spyware, argh shit blue screen of death. ahhhhhhhh, linux........

This is most ugliest and buggy release of KDE ever seen for last 10 years. Kopete is crashing constantly and can't connect to google, program starter is worse even comparing to Vista, panel is ugly and not configurable, and most annoying thing is icon behavior on desktop. They live their own life populating all desktop over with strange shadows and unneded controls.

The best thing -just the brest! My laptop can not go to hybernation with kde4. It eats memory like crazy colorado bug.

But why gnome just works?

I was just forced to switch to Gnome which I really do not like, but I must work so I have no choice.

I do not understand KDE team. How you guys can call "release" this not even alpha-grade work? Such kind or "artwork" has only one consequence. You lose your users.

Definetely true! Placement of the Icons on the desktop seems to be random, there is no "Align to Grid". Right-Click on the desktop is useless, no "Create new Folder" or whatever. No Quickstart-Panel in the taskbar, useless like it is. I am very disappointed, having installed Fedora 9 and there is only KDE4 :-(

KDE team should make something about that icon thing on desktop. Now I need to open dolphin to manage files on desktop because I cant copy/paste etc from it. I would like that transparent background would be same size on all icons and not different. Placement could be set easily and those would stay there. Altought those icon managements should be more like filemanagement on konqueror or dolphin. ANd not as plasmoids.

The desktop was never intended to be a place to put files on, only shortcuts (being able to store files on it was only a side-effect of how it was implemented), and even for those shortcuts, several of the Plasma developers appear to believe that this is an obsolete practice. Files belong in ~/Documents according to the xdg-user-dirs spec, not ~/Desktop.

That's of course fine & dandy, except now we have something which owns 90% of desktop real estate sitting as empty as the plains. If not shortcuts (to applications or otherwise) then what will it be used for?
I assume there is a master plan but I can't find any document/blog to hand.

Also from a usability standpoint, why does the 'cashew' on the panel need to permanently be shown/take-up-space when that feature will only be used for a few minutes maybe once on account setup or infrequently at best? Surely it would be just as discoverable through a 'Design your Desktop' button/cashew prominently displayed in the main-menu. That could then turn the whole DE into 'design-mode' where any and all aspects of the desktop could be moved, guided, justified, poked and prodded to ones hearts content. This separates all that qdesigner type bells and whistles out of the way and ready for messing about with during lunchbreaks. That way no cashews or extraneous context-menus are needed, this satisfies both the touchscreeners and interface minimalists.

Having worked in computing/technology 30+ years, I find the lack of "user" use-case input to this featureless aspect of KDE4 to be very impressive, but not positively so.
If designers wish their products to be used, they would be well advised to pay very strict attention to what the user wants. The Ivory Tower committees rarely get it "right".