Willie, Just a quick question. How often have you seen a cold honor before? Had never heard of it. This will be my first year running Master.
Oncini

01-31-2013, 01:33 PM

Willie Alderson

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Originally Posted by Oncini

Willie, Just a quick question. How often have you seen a cold honor before? Had never heard of it. This will be my first year running Master.
Oncini

I've seen it once and heard of them being run in the Pacific NW...

I judged this test last year, and my fellow co-judge was known for running cold honors. I had heard of them before, but never seen it. I told him I have never seen one before, so we set one up for the first series. :) Just something to be aware of/train for. Hope it helps!

01-31-2013, 01:59 PM

Paul "Happy" Gilmore

I haven't seen it. I know I don't like shooting fliers inside of gun stations.

01-31-2013, 02:03 PM

Willie Alderson

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Originally Posted by Brian Welch

Willie, on the third series double with a walk up, when was the diversion thrown? Was this after they picked up bird one or two?
Thanks for sending these out. We will try similar set up's at our HRC training day this weekend.

The diversion (#3) what shot on the return of the first bird picked up. Normally it was after the go-bird was picked up. I don't think any dog picked up the marks out of order.

01-31-2013, 04:51 PM

paul young

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Originally Posted by Willie Alderson

I've seen it once and heard of them being run in the Pacific NW...

I judged this test last year, and my fellow co-judge was known for running cold honors. I had heard of them before, but never seen it. I told him I have never seen one before, so we set one up for the first series. :) Just something to be aware of/train for. Hope it helps!

How did that work out for you and your co-judge? Did you get the answers you were looking for? Do you feel you asked "the right question"?

Although cold honors are perfectly legal, the dogs end up seeing the marks twice from 2 different lines. In most tests moving the line 10 feet results in a much different picture for the dog to process. 10 feet is about my minimum seperation between the working dog and the honoring dog. And then there's the no bird problem that may arise.....-Paul

01-31-2013, 06:28 PM

Oncini

Willie one more question. In your set up with the cold honor, if I am dog #1 and am doing the walk-up, what can I say to my dog as she is not going to pick up the flyer? Can I say "No, Sit", just " Sit", or blow a sit whistle ? Thanks
Oncini

01-31-2013, 11:27 PM

Willie Alderson

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Originally Posted by Oncini

Willie one more question. In your set up with the cold honor, if I am dog #1 and am doing the walk-up, what can I say to my dog as she is not going to pick up the flyer? Can I say "No, Sit", just " Sit", or blow a sit whistle ? Thanks
Oncini

Treat it as a regular walk up. When the bird is in the air you can either blow the whistle or say "sit". I believe the rule book says you get to choose one. All that is different is instead of calling for dog 1 to retrieve the bird, dog 2 is called instead. After the dog has been released to retrieve, your dog is now honoring, you can talk to your dog as long as it doesn't interfere with the working dog. You could say anything to your dog...after the judge releases the working dog...as long as it isn't intimidating or interfering with the working dog. Hope that helps!

02-01-2013, 06:25 AM

saabisil

Very nicely done and helpful. Alway need ideas on creating set ups. I tend to done same type of set ups over and over.

02-01-2013, 12:05 PM

fishduck

Thank you for taking the time to illustrate a few Master set ups. I do have a judging question about the cold honor. What if any penalty is there for hunting the flyer fall area by the new working dog? Obviously it was picked up already but does this constitute "hunting an old fall" or simply the dog "honoring his nose".

02-01-2013, 10:49 PM

cwilson

Thanks for sharing! I always like looking over other's set ups to help get new ideas. Does anyone know if I can some how save a thread so I can come back and look over this stuff at a later date?