The manuscripts I have read are far from bullying, they are racist threats.

I was a huge Incognito fan, was my favorite player. But this is way over the line... I am a smart ***, I love to joke around, play pranks, etc. Having fun with a team mate, co worker, heck even another forum member here is all in fun and acceptable.

What he did was not. Whoever knew about it is weaker than Martin IMO.

And I am sure Ritchie's praises to Ricky earlier this year have no bearing on his take on this....

The manuscripts I have read are far from bullying, they are racist threats.

I was a huge Incognito fan, was my favorite player. But this is way over the line... I am a smart ***, I love to joke around, play pranks, etc. Having fun with a team mate, co worker, heck even another forum member here is all in fun and acceptable.

What he did was not. Whoever knew about it is weaker than Martin IMO.

And I am sure Ritchie's praises to Ricky earlier this year have no bearing on his take on this....

As well as the Klu Klux Klan... So I guess its ok to call someone a N****r

I don't think that's really up to you. If Martin didn't have a problem with it then yes it is okay to call someone the N word. If Martin didn't like it and didn't say anything that is on HIM also. The N word is becoming less and less racist in today youths. My white friends call my black friends it all the time and my black friends call my white friends it all the time. Not saying Richie is youthful or anything but words have the power that you as the individual give to them. There is no real problem here unless he called Martin it, and Martin didn't like it and told him to cut it out and Richie didn't.

As well as the Klu Klux Klan... So I guess its ok to call someone a N****r

Why don't you ask the Phins locker room that question? Troop right on down there and compare them to the klan if that is what you think they are like.

Michael Wilbon was on ESPN radio earlier today and said that a younger generation was coming up that was not associating the N word in the same context that he did. He was having a hard time understanding it but was trying to.

Maybe a cultural change is taking place and the guys in the locker room are not trying to stand shoulder to shoulder with the klan but are expressing their views and maybe for them and possibly their generation that the use of the N word in some situations is acceptable and does not mean that the person using it is a racist.

If you don't think the word is used fairly freely in the African-American community (at least in the south) then you don't hang around the same guys I do. That friends of other races are allowed to use it also is not that surprising.

Stupidest reasoning I have ever heard... Does anyone really believe from the rest of that vile message that it was a term of endearment..

Why doesnt Eminem say it if it is soo acceptable? And why are you using *** instead of just saying it if it is such a fun word?

Remember, the correct spelling is how Ritchie used it, not with ahh at the end...

I don't think anyone is saying it's acceptable or fun. The point is that black on black use it a lot. I have black friends and they call each other the word all time like it's no big deal. Eminem doesn't say it cause he's not black, that's the point. It's OK for black on black to say it and listen to it in rap lyrics, but when someone other than black uses it, they are racist.

The manuscripts I have read are far from bullying, they are racist threats.

I was a huge Incognito fan, was my favorite player. But this is way over the line... I am a smart ***, I love to joke around, play pranks, etc. Having fun with a team mate, co worker, heck even another forum member here is all in fun and acceptable.

What he did was not. Whoever knew about it is weaker than Martin IMO.

And I am sure Ritchie's praises to Ricky earlier this year have no bearing on his take on this....

Seems like most of the Phins locker room disagree with you.

They were told to keep their comments professional and uncontroversial prior to opening up the locker room to the media. I take everything that was said with a grain of salt.

Why don't you ask the Phins locker room that question? Troop right on down there and compare them to the klan if that is what you think they are like.

Tell ya what, we will go tegether.. You go to Pouncey, and call him a "half ni**er" and I will tell anyone who takes your side they are racists..

I have never expressed any desire to use that terminology. You were the one who compared the Phins locker room to the klan. Not sure why you want to drag me into your world that believes that message when I do not. You are on your own with that one.

Why don't you ask the Phins locker room that question? Troop right on down there and compare them to the klan if that is what you think they are like.

Tell ya what, we will go tegether.. You go to Pouncey, and call him a "half ni**er" and I will tell anyone who takes your side they are racists..

I have never expressed any desire to use that terminology. You were the one who compared the Phins locker room to the klan. Not sure why you want to drag me into your world that believes that message when I do not. You are on your own with that one.

Then why respond to me in the first place?

I have no issue telling anyone who thinks Ritchie was right in saying that to Martin that they are as much of a idiot as he is. And that is all I am saying, if the "Phins locker room" is saying there is nothing wrong with what he said, then so be it.

I do not know what those 51 men are thinking, and I doubt you do either

I have no issue telling anyone who thinks Ritchie was right in saying that to Martin that they are as much of a idiot as he is. And that is all I am saying, if the "Phins locker room" is saying there is nothing wrong with what he said, then so be it.

I do not know what those 51 men are thinking, and I doubt you do either

That is not all you are saying. For one you have compared the Phins locker room to the klan. I don't believe that.

Why did I respond because you said

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The manuscripts I have read are far from bullying, they are racist threats.

You have called out Ritchie as a racist. I am not convinced that is true.

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In fact, Dolphins players were almost unanimous in their support of Incognito, who was suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins on Sunday for "conduct detrimental to the team." Not a single player, publicly or privately, had a bad thing to say about Incognito

In fact, Dolphins players were almost unanimous in their support of Incognito, who was suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins on Sunday for "conduct detrimental to the team." Not a single player, publicly or privately, had a bad thing to say about Incognito

In fact, Dolphins players were almost unanimous in their support of Incognito, who was suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins on Sunday for "conduct detrimental to the team." Not a single player, publicly or privately, had a bad thing to say about Incognito

I disagree. I think it relevant what the other players in the locker room think. If they think he is or is not a racist I think it important.

Again, these incidents were taking place on text messages and voicemails. OUTSIDE of the lockerroom. The locker room seemed unaware of the extent of this, so given that how can they form a valid opinion?

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If they have helped create a climate in which the N word can be used and not be thought racist then that is important to understand. imo.

Again, these incidents were taking place on text messages and voicemails. OUTSIDE of the lockerroom. The locker room seemed unaware of the extent of this, so given that how can they form a valid opinion?

So a few text messages changes years worth of locker room relationships he built up?

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Speculation, we have no idea about this at all.

You're ignoring the obvious. Even Mike Pouncey let him get away with it and Pouncey is pretty "street" kind of guy.

Again, these incidents were taking place on text messages and voicemails. OUTSIDE of the lockerroom. The locker room seemed unaware of the extent of this, so given that how can they form a valid opinion?

Again, these incidents were taking place on text messages and voicemails. OUTSIDE of the lockerroom. The locker room seemed unaware of the extent of this, so given that how can they form a valid opinion?

Speculation, we have no idea about this at all.

We have players saying they didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. So yes, we do have an idea.

Because Incognito was in a bar acting the fool while Pouncey had his back turned to him telling someone else the guy was nuts?

We don't even know if he heard the racial slur.

You always have some contrarian out when it comes to these kinds of conversation. He was literally 5-6 feet away on the other side of a pool table as Richie is storming around the room yelling his lungs out.

You want to tell me Pouncey didn't hear it and that in a presence of some black teammates he didn't feel comfortable/acceptable using that word?

We have players saying they didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. So yes, we do have an idea.

That is your interpretation. Another could be that maybe it was ordinary that is why it was not noticed as out of the ordinary. There is video of Ingcognito using the N word to Pouncey and he not reacting negatively seems like he was smiling about the situation of Ingocnito being Ingocnito.

That is your interpretation. Another could be that maybe it was ordinary that is why it was not noticed as out of the ordinary. There is video of Ingcognito using the N word to Pouncey and he not reacting negatively seems like he was smiling about the situation of Ingocnito being Ingocnito.

Do we have reports of Incognito calling Martin a half n***** in the lockeroom and threatening to crap in his mouth?

Do we know that Incognito was doing this to other players and they were cool with it?

And even if they were, what does it matter? If one guy is cool with it, it doesn't mean the next guy has to be.

As for the video, I watched it over and over and it seemed as if Pouncey was more trying to laugh the situation off and avoid it by talking to someone else than paying attention to it.

So I go back to my original premise. If they did not know the extent of the text messages and voice mails, their point of view wasn't really relevant.

Can't this defense be used for the coaches? For all we know they were never made aware and Martin was just stockpiling evidence to help him escape playing football without being labeled a quitter.

There is just something here that isn't adding up and Martin almost immediately lawyering up and having all this stuff saved makes me wonder if this wasn't well planned out. Yes, I admit I'm speculating.

We have reports that his teammates fully aware of his text messages don't think that Incognito is a racist ...

Here you go:

Chris Perkins wrote:

Pouncey: Players don't think Incognito is racist

Regarding the voicemail, Carter explained there’s a culture, pop culture and athletic culture, in which the “n-word,” in certain contexts, is acceptable. So Pouncey didn’t find it racist or consider it bullying when he recently found out about the voicemail Incognito allegedly left for Martin using the "n-word."

“He said he thought it was bad,” Carter said, “but he thought he was just trying to spur Jonathan on to have a good off-season, and he wishes the words would have been different, though.”

The entire locker room knows what he said now. They still support him, hence they don't feel he's a racist. This isn't hard to understand. They digested the voicemail themselves and they know the context of how/why it was said better than the media. They just wish Cog went about it differently.