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So I think the engineers have a lot of contribution to make because let’s look at what do we mean by a business scale. Business scale has two dimensions to it typically there may be multiple dimensions fundamentally when you look at it a product perspective business case has two dimensions. one is what is the size of your TAM or the Total Addressable Market space right how big is the customer base that you can go and capture what are the essential attributes of that particular product now this is sort of output technique.The second aspect of a business case is that for your business to be or your product to be profitable right and for it to have a sustainable differentiator what are some of the essential attributes such a product should have and typically one of the attributes that is given is that for us to be successful given the competition is what should be my total cost of goods. Now there are definitions of a different the cost or bill of material so if you have the bill of material and you sort of add to it to get to a (( )) but what is this. Second is what are the performance parameters, 3rd how do you want to actually scale this product a roadmap perspective. So you develop some things there is a business case surrounded what happens of this particular product 3 years 5 years down the line. I think there that is the engineers and the managers really play a very very important role in any sort of business related discussion because they didn’t decide based on those parameters what’s the best approach to build a product right IBO example (( ))a networking or a telecom domain typically when you get a systems (( )) or you get a business case for creating a particular system one of the decisions that you have to make is that am I going to use merchant silicon that is available many silicon vendors across the globe or am I going to build a custom (( )) for this particular product right. Now this is you need a very strong interlock between engineers and business managers because the decision on track depends a lot of on what’s going to happen in future not just today on this particular product line. So I guess you know engineers play a very very important role specially the senior engineers who can sort of look at the breadth of the problem as well as look into future and see how the technology or the competitive landscape is going to evolve and what’s going to be our sustainable differentiator no longer period of time.