SoBadItsGood can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of {{Camp}}, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough.

Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the SoBadItsGood franchise by trying to give it a [[ContinuityReboot Reboot]]. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was {{Camp}} serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer SoBadItsGood, but now it's SoOkayItsAverage. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not ''so'' bad that it's fun to mock anymore.

This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of GoodBadBugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope.

This is ''only'' for fans who honestly felt the original sucked SoBadItsGood. If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits -- or if nostalgia means that they just hate change -- then that belongs under TheyChangedItNowItSucks and NostalgiaFilter instead.

This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are ''general'' perceptions of a work as a whole.

Contrast NarmCharm. This is the lack -- more specifically, the loss -- thereof. Also see GenreThrowback, which may or may not result in one of these.

Compare ItsPopularNowItSucks.----!!Examples:

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[[folder: Anime and Manga ]]* With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions ''entire episodes'' - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like ''Anime/MusashiGundoh'', whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.* The Latin American dub of ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' had a completely different (and worse, [[SoBadItsGood and much more fun]]) opening. When the series was re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.** Even if you don't speak Spanish, compare: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=009GRHKykUk&feature=related So Bad It's Good Intro]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGbVNSFVW_Q So Ok It's Average Intro]][[note]]To be fair, the opening is actually good (and above average for an intro) but there is no way it can compete with the NarmCharm of the original. This is true even for the more hardcore fans, who tend to prefer the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px2zX-M2alQ Japanese Pegasus Fantasy.]][[/note]]** That does not hold true of the Portuguese dub, however. Especially since the "Pegasus Fantasy" version that eventually ended up in the opening was sung by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angra_(band) Angra's]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCV74ZtLx6I Edu Falaschi]].* The first dub of ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' was a [[{{Woolseyism}} rather freely translated]] English version distributed by Carl Macek's Creator/StreamlinePictures in the 1980's. However, in 2001, a new dub was recorded, featuring a fresh and more accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue, and arguably better acting... ironically, the dub was dismissed by old-school fans as ''inferior'' to the original English dub. Which is ironic, because neither director Katsuhiro Otomo, Streamline, nor even ''Macek'' were [[OldShame pleased with the original dub]].** The same is true for the ancient '80s dub of ''Anime/CastleInTheSky'', although that version isn't as widely known as its few defenders will attempt to make you believe.* The English dub of ''Angel Blade'' gives all the women rounded even tones... including [[PsychopathicManchild Karin]], which isn't ravingly ''bad'' per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.* The Ocean dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to NeverSayDie. The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and MemeticMutation) are what make people prefer it.** The Funimation dub of the same series, which was of similar quality (at least in its early days), also has its defenders compared to the much more polished dub of ''Anime/DragonBallKai'' by the same company.* At one time, {{Creator/Netflix}} had the Japanese versions of the first four seasons of ''{{Franchise/Digimon}}'' but they were soon removed, as most American fans prefer the cornier, {{Bowdlerized}} versions from [[Creator/SabanEntertainment Saban.]] * Many fans of ''Anime/WeissKreuz'' prefer to ignore its sequel series ''Weiß Kreuz Glühen'', whether in spite of or because of ''Glühen'''s significantly higher production values, more serious and less episodic plot, and better dub. The change of all of the main character designs due to legal issues and the large amounts of story buildup and character development [[AllThereInTheManual only covered on Drama CDs]] [[NoExportForYou not available to Western audiences]] didn't help, but one of the major complaints regarding ''Glühen'' is that its more serious plot is ''too'' dark and depressing, and that it fails to capture the NarmCharm of the original.* The Creator/VizMedia dub of ''Anime/SailorMoon'' is victim to this from people who watched the Creator/DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on Youtube, you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent. While several appreciated the re-dub with a pretty faithful translation, professional voice actors, keeping the original music, and no CutAndPasteTranslation, many of the aforementioned purists decry the Viz Media dub as much less fun to watch. Where's the [[HamAndCheese overly hammy]] voice acting? Where's the ridiculous American slang? The clumsy censorship? The unfitting voices? For some, the awkward localization of the original dub ironically added a whole new level of NarmCharm to a show that was already over-the-top to begin with, and it's just not ''Sailor Moon'' without it. The biggest thing that fans actually miss however is the soundtrack, which even the biggest critics of the [=DiC=] dub admitted was pretty awesome.* Some fans of the [[LighterAndSofter tamer]], [[HurricaneOfPuns pun-laden]] dub of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' for not being cheesy. * The US finally got a DVD release of ''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters''... with only subtitles. Many fans of the original god-awful HongKongDub (aired on Star TV in Asia) ''hated'' this, as it was considered the best reason to watch ''Headmasters''... otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Comic Books ]]* The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic ''Comicbook/TheTombOfDracula'' was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s ''Nightstalkers'', is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.* Speedball was a 60's comic character created in the 80's, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "ComicBook/CivilWar" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change: his powers were now activated by pain and he changed his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on NinetiesAntiHero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.* Fans of UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks often [[http://mightygodking.com/2012/04/23/empirical-reasons-why-the-silver-age-was-better/ take this view]] towards more modern superhero stories, saying that while Silver Age stories were frequently idiotic, they were at least creative, tonally consistent, and unapologetically aimed at children, while modern superhero stories are slightly less idiotic, but went from appealing to dumb children to appealing to dumb manchildren, and turned into depressing atonal retreads in the process.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Fan Fics ]]* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' FanFiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Fanfic/MarissaPicard story ''Time Speeder'' called ''Athena Prospects''. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is ''way'' more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the Franchise/StarTrek shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.* The chapters of ''FanFic/ThePrayerWarriors'' written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.* The Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion fanfic Fanfic/DeltaInvasion is an [[SoBadItsGood honored favorite]] among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.* {{Franchise/Transformers}} ''Beast Wars'' fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Film ]]* ''{{Film/Birdemic}}'' is terrible to a legendary degree. Awful acting, awful scripting, awful effects. It's a disaster in every possible way, and it's perhaps the perfect movie for people who like movies that are the exact opposite of perfect. Then, a couple of years later, a sequel came out. Unlike many examples on this page, ''Film/Birdemic2TheResurrection'' is actually really terrible, as well. However, ''Birdemic 2'' is terrible ''on purpose''. Now that he had an actual budget, James Nguyen was clearly spent it all trying to make the sequel equally bad, but it just ended up feeling forced and overly self-referential, and it was a ''lot'' less fun to watch. * The Creator/AngLee-directed ''Film/{{Hulk}}'' tried to be serious, but some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film become a humorous example of SoBadItsGood. Then [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the second film]] actually didn't suck and was instead... [[SoOkayItsAverage watchable]]. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of [[Series/TheIncredibleHulk the low-budget TV series]] over the first big-budget movie's excesses.* The original ''Film/DeathRace2000'' was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for [[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]-style ribbing. ''Film/DeathRace'', the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham), but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.* Likewise, if you can find it, the Creator/RogerCorman ''Film/TheFantasticFour'' film from the early 1990s is SoBadItsGood, compared to the two SoOkayItsAverage 2000s [[Film/FantasticFour films]].** On the other hand, all three are being held in higher regard than ''Film/FantasticFour2015'', if only because they're having some fun with the source material instead of taking it on a DarkerAndEdgier approach. Although this case is more in the line of "I like it better when it sucks ''less''" as the new reboot is considered [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dull, lifeless]] and plagued with [[EightDeadlyWords underdeveloped characters nobody cares about]] by many fans.* While in real life the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' film was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a [[http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/ great Onion News Network piece]].** That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other? The bridge is supposed to look like it's made out of cardboard and plywood!"* The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production ''Naked Killer'' originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.* A common quibble with the ''Film/{{Clash of the Titans|2010}}'' remake. While [[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 the original]] had lovingly crafted Creator/RayHarryhausen stop-motion beasties and a certain [[NarmCharm old-timey cheesy charm]], the remake, despite having a much greater budget and access to more advanced technology, had [[SpecialEffectsFailure badly tacked-on 3D effects]] and an even more convoluted plot while being [[SadlyMythtaken even less faithful]] to Myth/GreekMythology.* A lot of the comments from people reacting to the trailers for ''Film/{{Godzilla 2014}}'' is along the lines of "If it doesn't have monsters portrayed by PeopleInRubberSuits and human characters played by B-list actors [[HongKongDub whose lip motions don't match up with their spoken dialogue]], then it doesn't count as a Franchise/{{Godzilla}} movie." Indeed, the improved special effects, more talented cast that includes Creator/BryanCranston, and darker, more realistic tone are held up as examples of outright pretentiousness. [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint Then again, a good number of these complaints come from people who have not seen the original 1954 film.]]* The film adaptation of ''Film/FiftyShadesOfGrey'' took a lot of heat for toning down the book's more outre elements, including getting rid of the "Inner Goddess" bits entirely. Turns out that when you try to make this story more respectable, there's nothing of interest left.* ''Film/JemAndTheHolograms'' is what happens when you take [[WesternAnimation/{{Jem}} a campy thirty-year-old toy-commercial cartoon]] and try to turn it into a serious band movie. Without the holograms, the Misfits, the action-adventure elements and other campy charms, ''Jem'' came across as a cheap ''Film/HannahMontana'' remake that pissed off its intended fandom so badly that [[BoxOfficeBomb it couldn't make back]] [[NoBudget a $5 million budget]], and was pulled from theaters after ''two weeks''.* The first set of chapters to Music/RKelly's infamous [[RockOpera hip-hopera]] ''Music/TrappedInTheCloset'' are about as [[{{Narm}} gut-bustigly melodramatic]] as a [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative feature-length R&B ballad music video]] gets, and are legendarily [[SoBadItsGood hysterical as a result]]. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline [[DenserAndWackier straightforward comedy]].* The reason some people prefer ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' to Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory''. The cheap practical effects in ''Willy Wonka'' definitely contribute to the surreal charm of the film, while the flashier, expensive CGI in Burton's film just isn't as unique or memorable. [[/folder]]

[[folder: Literature ]]* In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.* Tyra Banks's novel ''Literature/{{Modelland}}'' is so bad that most positive reviews agreed it needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Live Action TV ]]* One of the (many) reasons that ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1978'' fans were unimpressed by the [[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 re-imagined series]] was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.* Attempts to mature ''Series/SavedByTheBell'' into a prime-time sitcom just resulted in a rather average sitcom with no excessive wackiness.* The original ''Franchise/{{Dragnet}}'' was much more low-key and subtly humorous than most cop shows that we see today. So when ABC tried to remake it as an extremely gritty tough-as-nails life on the street show, well... it didn't go over very well.* The ''Film/LostInSpace'' movie toned down the {{Camp}} and replaced the [[SpecialEffectsFailure cheesy special effects]] with CGI. The [[Series/LostInSpace TV show]] was SoBadItsGood, but the movie was just SoOkayItsAverage at best.* The Sci-Fi Channel original series update of ''Series/{{Flash Gordon|2007}}'' suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast CorruptCorporateExecutive [[RecycledINSPACE IN]] [[AnotherDimension AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION]]!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose [[Film/FlashGordon1980 most recognizable entry]] was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).* The ''Series/EurovisionSongContest'' is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor [[SoBadItsGood so bad they were good]].** There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.* Invoked in one episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates... which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to [[{{MST}} mock]] the old encyclopedias.* This, combined with NarmCharm, is part of the reason why quite a few ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' fans detest the remastered episodes - it just isn't 60s ''Trek'' without analog clocks in the 23rd century and cheesy special effects. Of course, another factor is that the remastered special effects are still really obvious; it's just that they now look like crappy 90s special effects than crappy 60s special effects, and stick out like sore thumbs.** Many fans of the classic ''Series/StarTrek'' weren't exactly thrilled to see the modern ''Trek'' series with the updated sets, costumes and visual effects, and more serious storylines. To them, the cheese was part of the fun.* Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of ''Series/RedDwarf'' because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.** Hence the reason that ''Red Dwarf Remastered'' that updated the first three series went over badly with the fanbase who felt that the titular ship looked too spit and polished for a three million year old mining vessel, constantly on the verge of falling apart even when it was ''new'' and built on the cheap. Similarly fans hated the look of the ship in ''Red Dwarf VIII'' when the errant nanites repaired the ship to its original in-universe design before the Jupiter Mining Corp slashed the budget.* ''Series/DoctorWho'':** Certain fans say that they prefer the low budget special effects of the original to the modern looking effects of the revival. It might be worth noting that Creator/ColinBaker accuses this of just being rose tinted glasses. According to him, nobody really ''liked'' the crappy special effects, they just tolerated them. Still, this was a big enough concern for Creator/RussellTDavies that he deliberately tried to keep the special effects from being overly polished in order to retain some of the stylisation and NarmCharm. The same principle goes for a lot of the obviously 'bad' bits of the Classic series - cheesy synthesiser soundtracks (retro charm!), dodgy and under-rehearsed WorldOfHam acting (over-the-top and spontaneous!) and rushed ThreeCameras look (like watching a play!), DependingOnTheWriter inconsistencies and CharacterDerailment (asks the actors and the viewer to do the work!), how large chunks of it [[MissingEpisode don't exist any more]] (better in the imagination!)...** "The Mind of Evil" was lost, and the only copies that the BBC had in its collection were black-and-white copies from Australia. This meant that it couldn't be seen in colour until very recently, when it was digitally recoloured. Some fans have opined that the black-and-white version is better, as it gives the story a 'gritty' feel.* In the mid-nineties, a Norwegian TV network briefly experimented with dubbing the first few episodes of the sitcom ''The Gregory Hines Show'' in a country where there's no tradition for dubbing foreign TV shows unless they are aimed specifically at children. After airing three dubbed episodes, the viewers were asked to vote over whether they wanted the show to remain dubbed or if they wanted the original version (the latter of which they didn't get a chance to see in advance). The audience overwhelmingly voted for the original version. Nevertheless, the original episodes only aired for a few weeks before the show was removed altogether - Possibly because once people saw the original, they realized that ''The Gregory Hines Show'' was a very bland sitcom, and the novelty of having it dubbed was the only thing that had made it remotely interesting.* Many fans who don't like the Steve Harvey version of ''Series/FamilyFeud'', which has enjoyed its highest ratings in decades, prefer the original Dawson or Combs versions. Then there are those who prefer the less tolerable hosts over Harvey, such as John O'Hurley and even Richard Karn. For a time, the 1994-95 season where Dawson returned was cited as the worst ''Feud'' had to offer but viewer demand prompted the former Game Show Network to air that version in reruns.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Music ]]* ThePortsmouthSinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and [[HilarityEnsues the results were hilarious]]. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.** [[FridgeLogic Wonder why the members didn't periodically switch to other instruments they didn't know how to play?]]* Music/TheShaggs were awful musicians when ''Philosophy of The World'', their most famous album, came out. Later recordings show them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good, though they never quite got their audience back, and as a result faded into obscurity, at least until recently. Dot Wiggin is a ''much'' better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Unwanted_Song The Most Unwanted Song]] was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. Wiki/TheOtherWiki describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song. Which was, indeed, the entire point.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Other ]]* Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon took up this line of thought sometime after ''ComicStrip/DickTracy'' changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth".[[/folder]]

[[folder: Radio ]]* One episode of ''Radio/ThisAmericanLife'' entitled "[[http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/61/fiasco Fiasco!]]" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of ''Peter Pan'', and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Theater ]]* The Broadway musical version of ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'' got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.* The original run of the musical version of ''Literature/{{Carrie}}'' was best remembered for two things: the astronomical [[TroubledProduction amount of time and money]] poured into it and its spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.* The [[SelfDeprecation incredibly self-aware]] ScreenToStageAdaptation of the [[SoBadItsGood ironic classic]] ''Film/{{Xanadu}}'' was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Video Games ]]* When ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' received an UpdatedRerelease for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's NarmCharm derived from poorly translated lines and decried the new translation's excessive use of PurpleProse that makes the game's already-complicated story even harder to understand. This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). (The ability to press select to see descriptions helps somewhat.) Say what you will about the [=PS1=] version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. (Until you wonder why "Fire Bracelet" is breathing fire on you, or why you're summoning "Rich") In a slight reversal of this, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied ''later'' and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original. They also kept some "bad" translations, such as "Wiegraf" instead of "Wiglaf".\\\The same thing happened with the PSP remake of ''Tactics Ogre''. To say that a part of the hardcore fanbase was... ''displeased'' with their arbitrary name changes would be an understatement. In particular, fans weren't amused when [[UnfortunateNames Aloser's]] name was changed to Arycelle - 'Aloser' was a rather obvious example of So Bad It's Good name (plus there's the hilarity in a hard boss being destroyed in one hit by 'A Loser', who happens to be a GameBreaker), while Arycelle was viewed by many as a mere generic fantasy name. It doesn't help that Aloser's name is clearly romanized in the original [[NoExportForYou SNES version's supplemental material]] as [[Literature/ArsGoetia 'Alocer']]... so 'Arycelle' isn't any more correct than 'Aloser'. But given that the SNES version was only fan-translated, and the 1998 translation was not done by Creator/SquareEnix but ''Atlus'' in their infancy, this doesn't come as a surprise.* A chunk of the the original ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'''s fanbase was offput by the [=GameCube=] remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the [=PlayStation=] and [=GameCube=] versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.* The ''VideoGame/HouseOfTheDead'' series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade NarmCharm and MemeticMutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being ''good'' in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, ''Overkill'', employs StylisticSuck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.* ''VideoGame/StarOceanTheSecondStory'''s EnhancedRemake got this. The fans were ''all'' saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the EnhancedRemake was announced for the [=PlayStation=] Portable. Those were perhaps the ''number one criticism'' from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the [=PlayStation=] version ''better'', partly due to the NostalgiaFilter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the PSP version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Never mind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually ''forgot to record'' two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the Japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.* ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' and its remade dialogue in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaTheDraculaXChronicles''. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of NarmCharm and a FountainOfMemes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as [[HamAndCheese hammy]] or fun to listen to.* Most of the retranslation of ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'' for the DS is relatively good, but some fans lamented the loss of Frog's YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe dialogue, which added to the character's status as TheComicallySerious.* Some fans of ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake'' prefer the hilarious borderline-{{Engrish}} fan translation of the MSX version, complete with ComicBookFantasyCasting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence]]'' disc.* When ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'' was remastered in an "HD Collection", many fans expressed everything from annoyance to outrage at the recasting of character voices and clearer, more crisp graphics. Many made the claims that the original [=PS2=] game's less-professional, somewhat corny voice acting was part of its [[NarmCharm charm]], and the murkier graphics added to the experience of being lost in a nightmare world. The HD version did have plenty other problems too though; see PortingDisaster for the details.* ''VideoGame/BigRigsOverTheRoadRacing'' series:** A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the [[MemeticMutation iconic "You're Winner!" image]] and replaces it with "You Win!". [[FlatJoy Yay.]]** ''Big Rigs'' has a sequel, named "Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!" It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.* ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForceInsectArmageddon'', the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce'' series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.* Go to any video comparison of the UsefulNotes/{{Nintendo 64}} and UsefulNotes/Nintendo3DS versions of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' or ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask'' (such as [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT6JqJXeHpA these]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mMfPcjZ7U8 two]]), and you'll find the comments section full of people who prefer the crude polygonal models, dull blurry textures, poor lighting, draw distance fog, etc. of the Nintendo 64 originals, claiming that they're more "realistic", "atmospheric", "mature", etc.* ''VideoGame/SonicBoom: Rise of Lyric'' was patched to remove GoodBadBugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game. Previously, ''Rise of Lyric'' was an ObviousBeta that was more fun to break than to actually play, then the game was patched, significantly cutting what entertainment value there was in it, and is now considered a resoundingly boring, mediocre game.* There have always been bugs of all kinds in ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them -- until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious EpicFail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Web Original ]]* Wiki/TVTropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment, a stricter ban on Administrivia/{{Natter}}, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries, although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.* In the ''Boss Mabel'' vlog, [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic Rob Walker]] complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a VocalMinority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.** Creator/DougWalker also mentions this in one of his out-of-character ''{{Literature/Twilight}}'' film reviews: the first two movies were SoBadItsGood, but ''Eclipse'' was actually pretty competent and thus not as fun. * {{Discussed}} by [[WebVideo/LifesAGlitchTV LAG TV]]'s hosts when fans asked them to play more ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black [[EpicFail failing and dying in hilarious ways]], all while [[ScreamsLikeALittleGirl Screaming Like A Little Girl]]; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new ''Minecraft'' videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.* An intern wrote into the advice blog Ask A Manager because they'd been fired and were seeking recourse. The intern had noticed that a coworker typed in a way the intern considered inefficient, so the intern changed the coworker's computer setting to force the coworker to type differently. The blogger responded by telling the letter writer that changing the way someone types is going to result in an adjustment period that might cancel out any gains in efficiency (and also that an intern trying to enforce changes on actual employees was a pretty gross case of overstepping one's bounds).[[/folder]]

[[folder: Western Animation ]]* Happens InUniverse in the ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'' episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. [[SpringtimeForHitler Of course it becomes a hit]]... until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.* The original ''WesternAnimation/BikerMiceFromMars'' series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with {{double entendre}}s and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.* ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' is notorious for being, at times, [[InsaneTrollLogic aggressively anti-logical]]. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.** So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy [[StrawFeminist feminists]] mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.** At some point in the '90s the ComicBook/WonderTwins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a DarkerAndEdgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?* For some of those who like ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'' over ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM,'' it's like this. Adventures is ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'' meets ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog,'' the perfect storm for WebAnimation/YouTubePoop. Concurrently, ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM'' is a more serious version of Sonic that is closer to other '90s cartoons at the time. Depends whether you liked the humor or wanted a stronger narrative. ''WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground'', by contrast, is frequently considered as the mean between the two... having ''neither''.* The original ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' had bad dialogue, low quality animation, [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny bad jokes]] and [[JigsawPuzzlePlot ridiculous plots]] as the "monster's" reason for being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after when aired years after the time it's set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along [[NarmCharm removing these charming factors]] and making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.* The ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003'' series, while it has fans, became a divisive due to this; a lot of fans were nostalgic about the goofy, silly 80 cartoon and didn't appreciate the DarkerAndEdgier approach of the 2003 version (despite it being closer to the original comic).** This is also considered the reason why the "Red Sky" ReTool seasons flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the 80's cartoon was removed... and what we got was a generic mid-90's action cartoon that took itself too seriously.* A good chunk of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'' fans take this view towards more modern interpretations. The 80s cartoon was solid cheese and flatly ridiculous, as [[MostTriumphantExample a near-platonic ideal]] of the stupid 80s cartoon, with its [[MerchandiseDriven blatant toy advertisement]], thick HoYay, nonsense plots, and lovably pathetic villains. The reboots, such as the comics or the 2000s series, remove as much of this as possible... and the result is a generic piece of SwordAndSorcery about a very serious generic muscled dude with a sword fighting a very serious generic EvilOverlord, only [[TheArtifact everyone's still got names like]] Stinkor or Fisto.[[/folder]]

[[folder: Real Life ]]* The takeover of [[TheAllegedCar Škoda]] by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "[[SelfDeprecation It's a Škoda]]. [[WeDontSuckAnymore Honest.]]").* "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from the Badfinger song "Without You", as song by Valentina Hasan, was an [[MemeticMutation internet meme]], almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The SoBadItsGood silliness was lost and it became SoOkayItsAverage.* Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was [[TheBigRottenApple a seedy haven for porno theaters]] before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in TheNineties.* As the Page Quote from ''Series/TopGear'' says a car might be more ''fun'' to drive if it is dynamically ''worse'' since cars with more power than grip will oversteer, ie; the back end will slide around under acceleration, more dangerous on a road but more exciting to mess about with on a track. This can also apply to videogames where the 'less good' cars can be more fun to race than the top level cars. It is for this reason that James Hunt preferred an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_A35 Austin A35]] for everyday driving.* The 1980s incarnation of Ride/ActionPark in New Jersey, when it was a real life AmusementParkOfDoom, has many fans who hold nostalgia for its particular brand of mayhem (drownings in the tidal pool, numerous injuries, drunken ride operators) as being part of a freer, less 'sissy' world where teenagers could learn lessons at the SchoolOfHardKnocks rather than visiting the sanitized corporate modern day theme park.* In a general sense, upgrading to newer vehicles, appliances, software and whatnot can cause frustration after one has grown familiar with the various idiosyncrasies of the older tech, ironically making it ''[[DamnYouMuscleMemory harder]]'' for some people to figure out how to work with the more simplified, "user-friendly" stuff. This is especially pronounced with cars, where the increasing number of modern conveniences and digitized functions also make them significantly more difficult and expensive to repair compared to older models that relied on largely mechanical parts.* For VHS collectors, it's generally like this. There are practical reasons to collect VHS tapes of course (their cheapness, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes the non-existence of some DVD releases]], or wanting [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion the original unaltered versions of some films]]); but perhaps for reasons of NostalgiaFilter some prefer the retro feel of watching older movies with the soft, grainy picture quality of VHS. Some horror movie buffs maintain that VHS is the ''true way'' to watch just about any horror movie made before 2000.** The same is true of vinyl-record collectors. Many will insist that vinyl is actually higher-quality, which is sometimes true, but only because records are usually old enough to predate the LoudnessWar that afflicts many modern [=CDs=] (which is the fault of marketing-driven sound engineering, not the distribution format). Record fans prefer the characteristic sound of analog vinyl playback, even though it's technically less clean and accurate than a properly-mastered CD or digital file. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_sound The sound distortion of vacuum tubes]] is a similar phenomenon.[[/folder]]

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