really I dont think it needs to be a 10 man guild only, but using gear that is only available from raiding 10 mans only. It is a good achievement, but is it with buff or w/o and anyone failing as hard as saying its better than killing LK 25 hc fails, because in 25 man hc lich king you cant get better gear than is available to 25 man raiding either.

The way guildox looks at you as a 10man strict guild, if more then x amount of people in your guild have 25man achievments, it negates your entire guild. If you look up these players, you will find very few of them have anything from 25man content, most likely just the tanks

The way guildox looks at you as a 10man strict guild, if more then x amount of people in your guild have 25man achievments, it negates your entire guild. If you look up these players, you will find very few of them have anything from 25man content, most likely just the tanks

Then we finally got the kill last night i has been a nice learning experience to try to get Lich king 10 man hardmode with our raidsetup (we got 0 paladins or DK's)

We decided to try the 10 man raiding road this expansion and even though guildox allows some people to do ICC 25 man normal we have 0 in the guild doing that. We just wanted to see how far we could get with our 2 nights a week raiding and also with Cataclysm in sight with same tier level for 10 and 25 man this was a good way to improve our performance.

"oh look. we killed lich king while undergearing the content! hooray us!"

No, more like "Everyone else was only able to kill him by overgearing the content! we didnt need that!"

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Originally Posted by phantomlink

The way guildox looks at you as a 10man strict guild, if more then x amount of people in your guild have 25man achievments, it negates your entire guild. If you look up these players, you will find very few of them have anything from 25man content, most likely just the tanks

if ANYONE in your guild has an achievement past the Citadel (Front 4), or have a single heroic kill (lootship or marrowgar), the whole guild is disqualified. Also, if 4+ (i think) have Stormwind the Citadel, your guild is disqualified.

Originally Posted by Bahumut5

I don't want to call Boubouille and wake her up for something like this.

No, more like "Everyone else was only able to kill him by overgearing the content! we didnt need that!"

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if ANYONE in your guild has an achievement past the Citadel (Front 4), or have a single heroic kill (lootship or marrowgar), the whole guild is disqualified. Also, if 4+ (i think) have Stormwind the Citadel, your guild is disqualified.

8 People over time for Marrowgwar, and 8 over time for the first 4.

It's like 14 total and 9 at the same time for all other fights.

But Typhoon Struggle is actually one of the only strict guilds without any 25 man kills. This may be due to them most likely sticking together the entire expansion. Recruitment is a dick in a world where you can pug 25's with ease.

But Typhoon Struggle is actually one of the only strict guilds without any 25 man kills. This may be due to them most likely sticking together the entire expansion. Recruitment is a dick in a world where you can pug 25's with ease.

You are right that recruitment for now is pretty hard, and i can easily understand if people rather want to be in a guild where they can get the ICC 25 man trinkets and weapons with the speciel procs and so. We are a tight group of people who all know each other reallife. It is only our priest from Russia we have recruited outside the group of friends.

With Cataclysm it will be easier to recruit with same ilevel on gear and small 10 man guilds can still compete with big guilds on their server if they got enough time.

I dont think people realize how much better the gear is in 25. 10 man stuff is normally not itemized as well and almost all of the good trinkets etc are 25 man. Also they have no shadowmournes in the raid which are a huge dps increase etc.

Gratz, very impressive when you plug your brain and understand the fact that you can't overgear and needed an LK10 kill WITHOUT normal ICC25/ToC25/ToC25 hc kills (specially not the easy ones everyone can get) and the sheer lacks of itemization and trinklets in 10-only gear.

In before all the "it's because strict 10 mans are just terribads" from people that never tried anything in 10 man content without overgearing it by at least a tier.

Good luck in Cata, it sure looks promising to see 10man strict guilds and 25-man fight on the same footing.

PS : For those pretending it's "easy" without ever trying, try to get your "BiS" lists for dps/tanks from this tier or previous one or Ulduar, list the caps you need, and then try to build gear-profiles with ONLY 10 man drops.
Then understand it means : NO DBW/TAJ/Stam trinklets from Sindra or Satrina/Juggernaut's for tanks, No Death's Choice/Death's Verdict, NO Hallion's trinklet either, No Bryntroll/Cryptmaker, and quite some other things, and that, to get HC gear from the "easy" boss you HAVE to kill the LK without overgearing it (while everyone else did the easy bosses in 10/25 every week to finally face the LK10 in nearly full 264 overgearing it by a tier, and then only starting ICC10hm already overgearing them).

Gratz but tbh if the top 25 man guilds (I mean like the top 20/25) attempted strict 10mans, they would've already downed it. Paragon and Ensidia did it with 5% buff. 25% extra damage, healing and a lot more weeks of experience than Paragon or Ensidia is pulling equal with the gear they had at that time.

TL;DR Gratz but the best guilds in the World would wtfpwn 10man strict guilds if they chose to do it.