just to be clear, we are NOT saying that this phenomenon isn't happening. i am just saying that if it happens "sometimes" and "anywhere" within "15-30 mins" and isn't repeatable, then it becomes difficult for use to determine what is the cause or even if it IS a trainer problem-

i cannot fix what i cannot reproduce here.

if this is some sort of new anti-cheat then making holes in the landscape isn't something "simple" to undo.

i am curious how our trainer would be affecting people who own xbox. at any rate, perhaps there is some sort of new anti-cheat built into the game or something? or perhaps the game scans itself. i have no idea.

the problem is FINDING such holes as i have not personally experienced it. i have driven around for 15 mins on various roads and seen nothing. now you can imagine how insane it would be to drive around for 30 mins or more trying to find a problem and then somehow discover how it gets created? 30 freaking minutes is alot of time to 'try' and find something.

we need a repeatable, easy way to reproduce this. otherwise it will be impossible to determine IF and WHAT in the trainer causes it. btw, i am getting reports from other trainer makers that they are getting the same problems from people using their trainers (i.e. seeing holes forming in the landscape), so this is a widespread problem, not 'just' cheathappens trainers problem.

which island is it occurring on?where on the island?can you repeat it over and over?which car?if repeatable can you send save game?

'fixing' this 'problem' might well be as simple as the NEXT PATCH since this could be some sort of glitch in the patch or something of that nature. i am working off of a fresh install with the game patching itself along and along from legit STEAM.

best,Cal

[Edited by Caliber, 2/22/2011 6:35:44 AM]

What ive experienced is in races, when i try using some of the options it makes me fall through the map. But i have experienced crashes when just driving around. Again i havent used the movement commands, and the freeze timer there.

But heres a savegame, this is from a bought version from steam, and nothing cracked/fixed/nothing just used the trainer on it.

I will say I Have "NOT" had any Giant holes while driving around and I cruise all the time listening to the tunes (I'm a freak lol) but as soon as I start an event ANY event be it Timed, Speed, Race or even a duel THEN after about a mile or so (in game lol) "PUFF" car starts to fall over and over again and all this with the trainer activated

i have same problem, when using trainer all problem starts.falling through roads etc. but if i use reloaded(v1.055) no-cd i don't get any fall through roads or any problem atall. but if i use skidrows no-cd it starts to give me graphic crashes, can't open map etc.

v 086b5. Must say that earlier today the trainer worked well, but now I experience again the splash, crash, water phenomena in game. Strange as don't think there have been any updates. No problems if playing without the trainer. Usually problems starts in game or race in approx. 1-2 min and the road disappears or car sinks in water repeatedly. Strange if it's a server bug, have not noticed any "wholes" without the trainer. Could be another problem, but seems unlikely.