Now I am still watching this video as I get ready for work this morning, but in the last debate I took part in on this site one of the questions that
was asked with arrogance was "Well, if this stuff is so bad for us, why are we not dead or showing signs from it. I feel fine." This is typical of
the "I/Me" attitude we are conditioned to have through all media in this country, and no one seems to have an answer. This nice lady seems to have
that answer.

I noticed early on in the video that these Chemtrails seem to be working hand in glove with Monsanto and it's GMO agenda.

Will the OSers show up despite the title of this thread? Of course they will, even though there really is no Official Story handed to us.
Such is the programming of OSers.

It has been said that scientific knowledge runs about 30 to 50 years ahead of what is revealed and released to us, an idea that alone makes the head
swim. Which means that few of us without specific training are not knowledgeable to say with any authority "This is not possible".

Even so, those who do have specialized training, have enough knowledge in their field may understand one fraction of what is being discussed.
However, most experts have been so compartmentalized in their training that it brings to mind the compartmentalization the Manhattan Project was famed
for, thereby making debate here rather a silly idea - by design.

At any rate, enjoy the video - it is a lot to digest - and your Saturday morning. I am not posting and running but will have to wait to make any
responses after work this evening.

Itta

Did a quick search and did not find this posted yet, however it was a quick search as I am getting ready for work. Mmm more coffee!

I've not really been involved in the chemtrail debate, as my interests lie elsewhere. I have scanned over a few threads and honestly couldn't pick a
side. However 2 days ago I noticed something unusual.

First of all where I live in Cape Cod is pretty much under transatlantic and other major flight routes, so we see a lot of vapour trails from large
jets. They are nearly always in the same SW to NE path. 2 days ago though they were more proliferate than usual, like 300% more,They were also in a
criscross lattice formation and lingered all day, dispersing slowly into thin strata that eventually merged together.

This caught my attention and I began observing the jets as they flew over spewing their trails. Some had regular trails that seemed to disperse within
10 mins or so disappearing from the tail of the trail forward. The others dispersed far more slowly and laterally, with no discernable "tail
forward" diminshment.

As I was watching one jet, it's trail suddenly stopped dead for about 5 - 8 seconds before bursting back to life. I that was a regular contrail,
would that be a normal event.Would it not signify that the engines had been turned off briefly.From my relatively uninformed perspective it honestly
looked like this jet was spraying something from tanks and one of the tanks ran out leaving a few seconds hangtime while the next tank was being
opened.

I'm still none the wiser and am open minded to explanations from both sides of the debate

This caught my attention and I began observing the jets as they flew over spewing their trails. Some had regular trails that seemed to disperse within
10 mins or so disappearing from the tail of the trail forward. The others dispersed far more slowly and laterally, with no discernable "tail
forward" diminshment.

Look like this...

If so all you witnessed was a normal contrail,sorry...

Btw Morgellons has been shown it doesn't have any link enviromentally...

This comprehensive study of an unexplained apparent dermopathy demonstrated no infectious cause and no evidence of an environmental link. There
was no indication that it would be helpful to perform additional testing for infectious diseases as a potential cause. Future efforts should focus on
helping patients reduce their symptoms through careful attention to treatment of co-existing medical, including psychiatric conditions, that might be
contributing to their symptoms.

As I was watching one jet, it's trail suddenly stopped dead for about 5 - 8 seconds before bursting back to life. I that was a regular contrail,
would that be a normal event.Would it not signify that the engines had been turned off briefly.From my relatively uninformed perspective it honestly
looked like this jet was spraying something from tanks and one of the tanks ran out leaving a few seconds hangtime while the next tank was being
opened.

Sorry there is no tank,but what you probably saw was a plane flying thru an area that was not condusive to contrail formation.

There were what I would call regular contrails which dissappeared within 10 mins as well as these others which took the whole day to disperse. Also
many of them were on unusual flight paths for this area.Thes trails dispersed in a completely different manner.

I dont know diddley about Morgellons. All I'm doing is reporting an observation.

Whether a trail disperses immediately or not is not dependant of the "type" of trail it is. In truth there is only one sort of contrail. However
atmospheric conditions determine whether or not the trail persists, or even if one forms at all. This was also why you saw the short break, as the jet
momentarily passed through a patch to band of air where the water vapour did not freeze, or at least sublimated as soon as it formed. This is quite
common and why you often see gaps between clouds.

Btw Morgellons has been shown it doesn't have any link enviromentally...

Ah the attack of the OSers. Much as I expected. No discussion of the points of the video, no response to the OP, probably didn't even watch the
video. I know, I should have picked a shorter video that didn't require an attention span.

I call BS. After all you are linking to the Center For Disease Creation, a dubious source at best. And after the H1N1 farce the only people who have
any faith in them reside right here in the good ole USA. Europe certainly doesn't give them credibility anymore.

I stand by the video. I for one am old enough to remember when there were no chemtrails, only contrails. And I just can't get on board with
revisionist memory.

So what about all the people who DO remember "chemtrails" (persistent contrails)?

People who remember things that did not occur? Not sure. Guess they were on a different planet. Perhaps a personal issue. Perhaps Psychiatric help
is needed, though I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Maybe they were remote viewing with Ingo Swann. Or maybe my whole family is wrong and
perhaps my 90 year old mother is lying for the first time in her life. If that is the best you got it is thin, very thin.

What about the video? I like how you guys always cherry pick the parts you wish to address and ignore the main points of a thread - you know those
originally addressed in the OP. Always reminds me of Fahrenhype 911.

...sorry again (The same folks love to end this way, as if since they dismiss it out of hand the discussion is over. I for one have just not been
that impressed by your intellectual acumen so far.)

Last time I was in this little micro-argument it was said that the advances in jet engines were the cause. As someone who worked on an international
airport for years, that bucket didn't hold any water either.

As I was watching one jet, it's trail suddenly stopped dead for about 5 - 8 seconds before bursting back to life. I that was a regular contrail, would
that be a normal event.Would it not signify that the engines had been turned off briefly.

I think you are on the right track here. Jet airliners after they take off are almost exclusively flown by autopilot, at least until the
descent stage. Anyone who is familiar with even simulators knows this. The break could have been caused by a manual adjustment to the autopilot
setting or an automatic adjustment made by the autopilot itself which caused a temporary reduction to the throttle.

You see I agree that there is no way you could keep all these pilots aware of what they were doing and quiet at the same time. My theory is that the
chemicals are added to the fuel. This could be done easily and quietly with a minimum of folks aware of it. To me it is the only method that would
make sense. Occam's Razor.

Why did we stop talking about the CDC? Feels like the fast shuffle to me.

As I was watching one jet, it's trail suddenly stopped dead for about 5 - 8 seconds before bursting back to life. I that was a regular contrail,
would that be a normal event.Would it not signify that the engines had been turned off briefly.

I think you are on the right track here. Jet airliners after they take off are almost exclusively flown by autopilot, at least until the
descent stage. Anyone who is familiar with even simulators knows this. The break could have been caused by a manual adjustment to the autopilot
setting or an automatic adjustment made by the autopilot itself which caused a temporary reduction to the throttle.

The breaks are caused by variations in atmospheric conditions. Contrails are just clouds made visible by the passing of the jet. A gap in a contrail
is the same as a gap in the clouds. Gaps in couds can be very big, or very small. Sometimes, like clouds, the gaps can be periodic.

People who remember things that did not occur? Not sure. Guess they were on a different planet.

and the other people who photographed "things that did not occur" over half a century?

Last time I was in this little micro-argument it was said that the advances in jet engines were the cause. As someone who worked on an international
airport for years, that bucket didn't hold any water either.

There are lots of jobs at an airport, my ex wife manages the Spar shop at Donny, but she knows bugger all about jet engines. I on the other and have
never worked at an airport, but I understand why the high bypass ratio engines of modern transports produce trails more easily. Maybe having worked at
an airport isn't actually a qualification?

The breaks are caused by variations in atmospheric conditions. Contrails are just clouds made visible by the passing of the jet. A gap in a contrail
is the same as a gap in the clouds. Gaps in couds can be very big, or very small. Sometimes, like clouds, the gaps can be periodic.

Yeah, I heard ya the first time.

And again I ask, why did we stop talking about the CDC?

So far all I have heard you say is"Nah!" and "Nuh uh". Quite convincing arguments when discussing an hour long video. And you still haven't
clarified whether you even watched the video. This is like discussing something with an adolescent. Sorry better things to do than to feed the
trolls. And anyway, the title made it clear that this thread was not posted for you...

The breaks are caused by variations in atmospheric conditions. Contrails are just clouds made visible by the passing of the jet. A gap in a contrail
is the same as a gap in the clouds. Gaps in couds can be very big, or very small. Sometimes, like clouds, the gaps can be periodic.

Yeah, I heard ya the first time.

And again I ask, why did we stop talking about the CDC?

So far all I have heard you say is"Nah!" and "Nuh uh". Quite convincing arguments when discussing an hour long video. And you still haven't
clarified whether you even watched the video.

Sophia Smallstorm runs 911weknow.com, she has this page on "Basic Facts"

CONTRAILS typically form behind high-flying jets in a low-humidity environment. Cold, dry conditions -- exactly those found in the upper
atmosphere -- are prerequisites to contrail formation. The humidity level of the upper atmosphere is LOW, which is the reason clouds form in the
troposphere -- the lower portion of our atmosphere. Jet contrails, which occur at high altitudes (e.g., 40,000 feet) disappear quickly -- much like
your breath on a cold winter day. They are simply made of water vapor. (Why do contrails disappear? They evaporate in the dryness, helped along by
solar radiation.)

Now, boys and girls, CLOUDS need two elements in order to form -- particles and moisture. They require condensation nuclei (small particulates) for
water vapor to adhere to. The size of these nuclei is about seven microns (picture a red blood cell). Clouds also need conditions of about 70%
humidity before they amass at various levels of our troposphere. Clouds hang around for a long time, and come in basic varieties: cirrus (high
altitude, feathery looking), cumulus (puffy and fat, with noticeable vertical dimension), and stratus (low-hanging ... those sheets of gray that
create an overcast day).

Today's news: We don't get to see a lot of natural clouds any more! ... So, what DO we see up there in the sky?

All over the world today, we are seeing "clouds" formed by "contrails" left by high-flying jet planes. For some reason, as of 1998 or so, the
white lines behind jets stopped going away. (This would be like your breath staying in the air for hours on a winter day, forming big swaths of
whiteness all around you as you walked.) For some reason, after 1998, there were SO MANY jets leaving white trails in the sky that lasted all day,
making THE WHOLE SKY OVERCAST, that NASA decided we now had a phenomenon called "persistent jet contrails." But they cannot explain why they are
persistent

Now these "basic facts" are irrefutable wrong. Jet contrails don't always form above 40,000 feet (generally it's from 25,000 to 45,000 feet, but
can be down to ground level). Clouds and contrails require the same basic conditions to form. 100% humidity to form, 70% humidity to persist
(for ice clouds). Water in the jet exhaust temporarily boosts the humidity, allowing clouds to form. Ambient humidity allows them to persist.

NASA can explain in great detail exactly why there are persistent jet contrails, and why there have been persistent jet contrails since jets
first flew in cold humid air.

So her basic facts are wrong. Since this is the basis for her argument, then her argument (the same thing she presents in the video) is wrong.

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