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Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Originally Posted by disneydude

This is a good place to start. It lays out very clearly (From Bush's own staff members) how Cheney and Rumsfield had tried the previous decade trying to convince the first Bush to implement their neo-con agenda to no avail. They needed a pawn in the whitehouse....someone with the intelligence of a thimble and they got that in GWB. It shows very clearly the media barrage that occurred after 911 where the Bush administration layed the groundwork to "justify" the Iraq invasion, linking it rather tenuously to 911.
But...I don't know why I'm wasting my time. People like you will continue to believe what you want to believe. "Mission Accomlished".....right?

That's PROOF because you say so? Obama lies and we all have proof of that. But I have not seen one shred of evidence that Bush lied about anything leading up to the Iraq war. I await your PROOF.

Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Originally Posted by disneydude

This is a good place to start. It lays out very clearly (From Bush's own staff members) how Cheney and Rumsfield had tried the previous decade trying to convince the first Bush to implement their neo-con agenda to no avail. They needed a pawn in the whitehouse....someone with the intelligence of a thimble and they got that in GWB. It shows very clearly the media barrage that occurred after 911 where the Bush administration layed the groundwork to "justify" the Iraq invasion, linking it rather tenuously to 911.
But...I don't know why I'm wasting my time. People like you will continue to believe what you want to believe. "Mission Accomlished".....right?

It is true that the invasion of Iraq was a goal from the start. It is not true that Cheney and Rumsfeld directed GWB. He was always firmly in charge, and a highly intelligent man -- Dem propaganda notwithstanding.

"It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Originally Posted by disneydude

By the way....the war was never "won" there. There never truly was a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". GWB created chaos in the region without recognizing what would happen when he and his neo-con bed buddies were done. ISIS has risen as a DIRECT result of the destabilization in the region caused by Bush's originally failed policies. You can try to blame Obama all you want, but

the buck stops with the Bush administration on this one friend.

The only country on this planet that gained anything from G.W.Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq (Which was no threat to the USA.) was Iran and they're mighty grateful to Bush for it.

Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Originally Posted by polgara

What did they expect Biden to say or do? He has very little authority, and can only go along with Obama's plans, whatever the hell they are. It's truly unfortunate that people are dying while he dithers, though, but what would they do if we weren't in the picture? These people have been killing each other long before the US was even a country, and while I hate to say it, they brought their troubles on themselves, all in the name of religion!

It's interesting that Bush is meeting with Petraeus and others, but for what purpose? All of them are retired so what good does that do? Obama is going to do what he wants to do, and he is the CiC who owns this mess that he created. Do they really think that he'll take their advice if it is offered? Not much chance of that happening, IMO, because that would indicate he might not be handling the problems correctly himself, and that would never do - but meanwhile ISIL is thumbing their nose at him while they swagger, behead people, and laugh at him! So which is worse for a person with a big ego - listening to advice or being laughed at by inferior animals? Maybe toppling those dictators who had kept the lid on the ME pressure cooker wasn't the brightest thing to do after all, huh? Too late now - it's done and we see the results!

If he had met with them BEFORE beginning this war, it would mean he is a leader and wants experienced advice.

Now? PR

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