Enter the imagination, explore the dreamlike plainsAnd know that things will never be the same againConfide - begin the initiation, an offer to dream and drift awayAbide - as you go clarity will descend upon the vague

Unobserved, I am the noumenonHidden out of sight, I'm the elusive oneWhile observed, I'm the phenomenonMiracle in sight, distorting concepts of minds

That's where ideas will never cease to roam (dream and drift away)And where impressions never cease to flow (follow)

Resist - defy every calculation of reason explaining me anywayPersist - unfold what is beyond, I am the mutant strain

Felgraf:Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

Jon iz teh kewl:Enter the imagination, explore the dreamlike plainsAnd know that things will never be the same againConfide - begin the initiation, an offer to dream and drift awayAbide - as you go clarity will descend upon the vague

Unobserved, I am the noumenonHidden out of sight, I'm the elusive oneWhile observed, I'm the phenomenonMiracle in sight, distorting concepts of minds

That's where ideas will never cease to roam (dream and drift away)And where impressions never cease to flow (follow)

Resist - defy every calculation of reason explaining me anywayPersist - unfold what is beyond, I am the mutant strain

mattharvest:Felgraf: Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

Stark seems to be REALLY GOOD at farking things up these days, doesn't he?

/God why do I know so much about comics, I do not even read them!//DAMN YOU TV TROPES.

mattharvest:Felgraf: Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

And then Hank McCoy had the bright idea of going back in time and bringing the original five X-Men into the present to try to right the wrongs or something.

mattharvest:Felgraf: Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

Phoenix Five? Whu?

Last time I paid attention to Marvel Comics, mutants had been wished out of existence until there were only a couple hundred of them left on Earth and the rest were "permanently" depowered. . .then Tony Stark became a complete fascist asshole and went and started a civil war in the US and replaced Nick Fury as the head of SHIELD (which became a Gestapo-like organization), in which Captain America was assassinated while on trial for multiple felonies including treason (for standing up to the neo-fascist Iron Man and SHIELD), Spider Man was outed to the world during the war, and then just as the dust was settling from that the Hulk came back to Earth more pissed off than ever and basically wanted to flatten the planet because Professor X and Reed Richards conspired to screwed him over and killed off the love of his life.

How much of that is now retconned away, undone, or completely irrelevant anymore?

texdent:mattharvest: Felgraf: Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

And then Hank McCoy had the bright idea of going back in time and bringing the original five X-Men into the present to try to right the wrongs or something.

To convince Cyke he's being an asshole, but yeah, pretty much.

Silverstaff:How much of that is now retconned away, undone, or completely irrelevant anymore?

Mutants are coming back because the Scarlet Witch and Hope Summers blew up the Phoenix to make new ones. None of that other stuff lasted.

Granted, I haven't really paid attention to comics for several years (the cost/quality ratio finally tilted too far), but this has got to be the dumbest manifestation of the "mutants as representatives of real-world oppressed minority groups" pattern yet. Google "euphemism treadmill" for IRL examples of the consequences of this mindset.

Silverstaff:mattharvest: Felgraf: Wait I don't really follow comics, but when and why did Cyclops decide to go all Magento?

After he and the rest of the Phoenix Five were incarcerated for their attempts (while possessed by a Tony Stark-mutilated Phoenix) to create a Utopia, and the related killing of Xavier by same-possessed Cyclops.

He broke out of jail along with Magneto and a few others and took up this path.

Phoenix Five? Whu?

Last time I paid attention to Marvel Comics, mutants had been wished out of existence until there were only a couple hundred of them left on Earth and the rest were "permanently" depowered. . .then Tony Stark became a complete fascist asshole and went and started a civil war in the US and replaced Nick Fury as the head of SHIELD (which became a Gestapo-like organization), in which Captain America was assassinated while on trial for multiple felonies including treason (for standing up to the neo-fascist Iron Man and SHIELD), Spider Man was outed to the world during the war, and then just as the dust was settling from that the Hulk came back to Earth more pissed off than ever and basically wanted to flatten the planet because Professor X and Reed Richards conspired to screwed him over and killed off the love of his life.

How much of that is now retconned away, undone, or completely irrelevant anymore?

/It's Marvel, I'm imagining 90% of it. . .

Sounds like you and I dropped out of the series at the same time but I've picked up a few issues here & there. A few years after mutants are all but wiped out, one is finally born that starts an, "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World"-like race between 4 or 5 teams to rescue or kill her. Cable gets to her first and takes her to the future to raise her, naming her Hope. He brings her back as a twentysomething warrior and suddenly mutations start to manifest in adolescents again. However, the mutant gene quickly goes wildly out of control and Hope has to touch them to stabilize it.

The various writers have been hinting since day one that Hope would become the next Phoenix. Green-eyed baby, grows up w/red hair, Bishop tried to kill her because he remembers a timeline where she destroys all of humanity in 6 seconds flat, unexplainable powers, etc. Stark's satellites track the Phoenix Force with its trajectory towards Earth, and he & the Avengers decide that it's heading for Hope. They go to the X-Men to reason with them--remember the last Phoenix? Hope may be mutantkind's savior but she won't be much of a savior once she eats the Sun. Cyclops won't budge and...that's the last issue I read.

I do know that the Phoenix 5 are Cyclops, Colossus, Magik, Namor, & Emma. Somehow, they intercepted the Phoenix Force from going into Hope. I've been waiting for the X-Men vs. Avengers arc to finish so I could just buy the TPB. Now it looks like I'll have to pick up the series again. I like that Bendis didn't go w/the obvious and have Hope be Phoenix. I'm kinda tired of the constant Phoenix-as-plot-device but the new storyline intrigues me.

/Anyone know what the hell happened to Rachel? Haven't seen her since she killed some guy w/a Phoenix Force-infused sword, probably 3 or 4 years ago.

brigid_fitch:/Anyone know what the hell happened to Rachel? Haven't seen her since she killed some guy w/a Phoenix Force-infused sword, probably 3 or 4 years ago.

Rachel is teaching at the Jean Grey School in "Wolverine and X-Men" and is a pretty major character. That's my favorite X-series right now, as it is about Wolverine attempting to run a school for wacky mutant youths .

PonceAlyosha:brigid_fitch: /Anyone know what the hell happened to Rachel? Haven't seen her since she killed some guy w/a Phoenix Force-infused sword, probably 3 or 4 years ago.

Rachel is teaching at the Jean Grey School in "Wolverine and X-Men" and is a pretty major character. That's my favorite X-series right now, as it is about Wolverine attempting to run a school for wacky mutant youths .