That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.

FlashHarry:somebody should add up all the time and money the GOP has spent since 2010 drafting bullshiat legislation like this, the 36 obamacare repeals, reading the constitution aloud, etc. etc.

and that doesn't even count passing blatantly unconstitutional bullshiat laws in the states.

party of small government, my ass.

I'd bet there would be a cost savings. The more time they spend doing this the less time they have to find new and interesting ways to spend money.

I mean they are in town anyway so really the only cost would be all the copies they have to print of the actual legislation so the Congresspersons can read them. And really how many copies do you think are requested?! So like 10 - 15 bucks max.

Triumph:That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.

I wondered about that. In the military, you don't get rewarded with coming in under budget, and are allowed to keep your surplus for a rainy day. The beancounters assume that since that's all you needed last fiscal year, then that's what you'll need this fiscal year.

You'll start seeing commanders placing orders for gigantic HDTVs for every flat surface in the headquarters building, and mass purchasing every ridiculous Mall Ninja accessory for their troops' M4s near the end of the fiscal year, because of that stupid line of thinking.

I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

Well those congressmen are responding due to ammo concerns by citizens. The government buys more than they need, sure, but it's the same with everything. Some places in the country, it's impossible to find ammunition. Everyone is hoarding, including the government.

crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ? Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer. A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?

Well yeah. They are dutch thus foreign and are associated with dykes, making this an assault on Christian values. Foreign assaults are terrorism. Thus windmills are foreign terrorists attacking American assets here at home as part of the queer islamofascist agenda. Hence the party of small government acting to disarm the Department of Homeland Defense.

Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now. Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.

Mimic_Octopus:crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ? Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer. A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?

J. Frank Parnell:Loki-L: To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.

I suspect all the hysteria about guns being taken away, which is also propagated by the NRA, is intended to drive up gun sales.

If the US government really went rogue in this day and age, they'd just take out problem people with drones or even satellites. They aren't worried about people having guns.

Anyone who was ever in the military knows the "citizens" don't have a hope of standing up against them.1 minigun would settle all the discussions.

Actually, the plan is buy the bullets and then return them for a refund, after lacing them with a genetically engineered disease using stem cells from aborted babies. Then law-abiding gun owners will all get get AIDS Butt Cancer when they buy the returned bullets.

FARK rebel soldier:I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

Like I said once before, at some point stuff like this should be considered treason. The right has done more than any terrorist group to cripple the US government. I say let them see Guantanamo first hand... and stay there.

detritus:Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now. Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.

Establishing mutli-year contracts and price caps to replace expiring ones and actually 'buying' are two different things. Most of the big numbers being thrown around are by taking the maximum number off of multi-year contracts for every department and every year of the contract. The rounds have not actually been 'bought' or acquired so blaming them for any issues in the supply chain doesn't make any sense. Even if the DHS acquired a billion rounds, that would still be a very small percentage of production.

Basically, they are based on a huge level of ignorance on how government contracting works. Way to go Patriots!

BolloxReader:Muta: Tilting windmills is the primary function of a small government.

Well yeah. They are dutch thus foreign and are associated with dykes, making this an assault on Christian values. Foreign assaults are terrorism. Thus windmills are foreign terrorists attacking American assets here at home as part of the queer islamofascist agenda. Hence the party of small government acting to disarm the Department of Homeland Defense.

nmrsnr:Triumph: This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.

You'd be right, except that Inhofe and Lucas explicitly said that you're wrong:

"President Obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding Americans' access and opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment rights," said Inhofe. "One way the Obama Administration is able to do this is by limiting what's available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition."

"After hearing from my constituents about the shortage of ammunition in Oklahoma and the Department of Homeland Security's profligate purchases of ammunition," said Lucas. "We have introduced the AMMO Act of 2013 to curtail these purchases so Americans can exercise their Second Amendment rights without being encumbered by the federal government."

To us guys here up North, those jimmy-crack-corn politicians sound like this...

"President Obama has been adamant about curbin' law-abidin' South Car'linans' access an' oppo'tunities t'exercise their Second Amendment rights," said Inhofe. "One way th' Obama Administrashun is able t'do this hyar is by limitin' whut's available in th' market wif federal ajuncies purchasin' unnecessary stockpiles of ammunishun."

Mimic_Octopus:crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ? Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer. A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?

Crazy farks like you should not own guns. If you are stupid enough to believe this shiat.