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Rather than have the few women who show up here be the center of attention for every man (they already are, but to make it "official" skeeves).

While I object to the word "skeevy" because it is a female shaming word up there with "creepy", your content is correct. The problem is that most men do not understand how to interact with women, as shown by the overweening attention the women here tend to receive.

Do you actually know what "skeevy" means and been around people who actually use it?

I get from the itais via yiddish. It just what whatever is gross or disgusting.

Never, ever I have I ever heard used as something used particularly about women.

For example (just examples):

Public toilets skeeve me out.

Not wearing shoes with shoes is skeevy.

If anything I have only heard the uncommon "skeevatch" applied to men.

Everyone deserves to be treating with respect. The problem that many men have is that they put women on a pedestal and do their best ot be "nice guys". Then, they wonder why all the hot girls are with "jerks".

I do put women on a pedestal (and I would agree that many do not want to be in this position). They can have strengths, motivations, degrees of caring and empathy that I lack. To be able to associate with them is an honor and that association and education from their perspective makes me whole.

Nice guys looking for hot girls sounds like a non sequitur to me. Care to justify this statement?

If the nice guys would get a clue, they would realize that most divorces are filed by the wife. Then, they would find that most of the time, the husband was abusive, addicted, or adulterous. Rather, it is just even though "he's so good to me" that "something was missing".

If men are more likely to be swayed by the attitudes that you express than women (as it appears from this forum to some extent), this supposedly statistical observation is quite understandable.

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The best and most public modern example is "Eat, Pray, Love". The first few chapters can be read on Google Books for free, and we learn it is a story of a woman who is married to a perfectly nice man, but then she goes cuckoo for no apparent reason.

Without further information this appears to be an extrapolation of a single instance into a generality. Again Sauron, this worries me because you are usually crisp and clear in the logic of your thinking which makes me think something else is going on in your life.

The other thing that disturbs me is that your attitude is so akin to the precepts of Lykis101, which conceivably you derived yourself. It might be useful to discuss Tom Lykis from an Orthodox perspective if you care to do so.

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

I don't understand how men here showing women attention is evidence of some deficiency, but men going back and forth amongst one another (Sauron, Punch, Orthonorm) in order to hash out what is manliness at its most man is...well, I guess it's enough to say I don't get the point of the recent discussion.

I don't understand how men here showing women attention is evidence of some deficiency, but men going back and forth amongst one another (Sauron, Punch, Orthonorm) in order to hash out what is manliness at its most man is...well, I guess it's enough to say I don't get the point of the recent discussion.

Make the thread private and we can speak about this explicitly.

Or not, cause I dunno if I can find a bus large enough to fit what I to throw under it.

I don't understand how men here showing women attention is evidence of some deficiency, but men going back and forth amongst one another (Sauron, Punch, Orthonorm) in order to hash out what is manliness at its most man is...well, I guess it's enough to say I don't get the point of the recent discussion.

Make the thread private and we can speak about this explicitly.

Or not, cause I dunno if I can find a bus large enough to fit what I to throw under it.

Ouch.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." --Bertrand Russell

Rather than have the few women who show up here be the center of attention for every man (they already are, but to make it "official" skeeves).

While I object to the word "skeevy" because it is a female shaming word up there with "creepy", your content is correct. The problem is that most men do not understand how to interact with women, as shown by the overweening attention the women here tend to receive.

And, the men are snookered. I had a Baptist man defend the movie Fireproof to me the other day. I was gobsmacked.

Whoa! I don’t know how we got to talking about “jerks” and “whores”…honestly, I’m not here for attention. My thread was posted jokingly with a serious question. No one here has to believe, but I am a good Christian looking for someone who is similar.

My future husband isn’t based on a movie or someone’s view of how a man/woman should be. In my opinion, a man who reads the Holy Bible and fears God knows how to treat a woman.

A few years ago here in the DC metro area they started an Orthodox Singles group. At the first get together they were over run by attendance. Hundreds of people showed up.

They go on day trips, have mixers, BBQ's, dances etc. Several marriages have resulted.

Thanks guys. Theses are all EO events.

What is the meaning of your icon?

Where is your picture?

My Icon is St. Qirqos (baby St. Cherkos) with his mother and archangel Gabriel. I don’t know their names in English.

My picture was up only for 2 days. Now is gone

Why are they being boiled ?

I haven`t seen your picture.

My guess would be that they were boiled for the same reason that Christians have been roasted, fried, baked and grilled. Certain people have not liked Christians throughout the ages and sometimes were less than civil to them.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

They are Holy Martyrs three year old St.Kyrikos( Cyriacus/Qyriacus) and his mother St. Julietta (Eyalutha) being tortured. these are very re-known early christian martyrs. the exact account of their martyrdom varies slightly, however every one knows they were martyred.

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To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

Only pray for me, that God would give me both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but truly will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one. St.Ignatius of Antioch.Epistle to the Romans.

Rather than have the few women who show up here be the center of attention for every man (they already are, but to make it "official" skeeves).

While I object to the word "skeevy" because it is a female shaming word up there with "creepy", your content is correct. The problem is that most men do not understand how to interact with women, as shown by the overweening attention the women here tend to receive.

And, the men are snookered. I had a Baptist man defend the movie Fireproof to me the other day. I was gobsmacked.

Whoa! I don’t know how we got to talking about “jerks” and “whores”…honestly, I’m not here for attention. My thread was posted jokingly with a serious question. No one here has to believe, but I am a good Christian looking for someone who is similar.

My future husband isn’t based on a movie or someone’s view of how a man/woman should be. In my opinion, a man who reads the Holy Bible and fears God knows how to treat a woman.

That's the difficult thing--it may not be hard to meet people, but how do you find the right person? If face-to-face conversations aren't possible--since there may be few eligible Orthodox Christians in your area--online conversations are better than nothing. The sadly defunct Orthodox Circle was a good place for conversations. Maybe OC.net's PM function might be helpful for the purpose of conversations. Then, if the conversation goes well, you could move to a personal instant message service like Skype. Skype and other services allow you to block people, if it should sadly come to that. E-harmony has been helpful to some, but it's pretty expensive.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

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Quote from: GabrieltheCelt

If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

This made my day. Although I might translate strength to a mutual desire to overcome weakness.

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

This made my day. Although I might translate strength to a mutual desire to overcome weakness.

Ah! what the both of you said made My day! I can only say Amen to all of them.

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To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

Only pray for me, that God would give me both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but truly will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one. St.Ignatius of Antioch.Epistle to the Romans.

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

This made my day. Although I might translate strength to a mutual desire to overcome weakness.

More better!

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Quote from: GabrieltheCelt

If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.

Quote from: orthonorm

I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

This made my day. Although I might translate strength to a mutual desire to overcome weakness.

Ah! what the both of you said made My day! I can only say Amen to all of them.

Although I must add, the Ethiopian women I have seen have all been beautiful. (And it wasn't just because they were offering me food. Though, my suspicion is the Queen of Sheba brought berbere to Solomon.)

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Quote from: GabrieltheCelt

If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.

Quote from: orthonorm

I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

My verdict is: "Too much make up, madame". If I moved across the Ocean and we started going out you should know I like girls with all the pimples, freckles, moles, etc. You girls look more like real people then (and they are cute).

LolThat’s a 1st! I do not wear makeup except lipstick. Most men don’t like lipstick and I’m assuming you are one of them

I saw your avatar when it was you. I give you a 7, so you have a good chance of getting a 6-8 man, which is pretty good.

Thanks. I would’ve liked an 8 or 9 better, but I can deal with a “7” too Did race play any role in your decision making? *this question has nothing to do with being racism only preference*

Race had nothing to do with your rating, although I note that you haven't the slightest idea what my race is, so we could be the same ethnicity for all you know. I would also remark that one has no duty to be attracted equally to all ethnicities.

A 7 is pretty good, so you should be happy with that. Please keep in mind that this is a bell curve, not a linear scale.

FWIW, it doesn't really matter if she knows what race you are, preferences are not always depended upon the race of the one with the preference. A number of non-Caucasian ethnicities frequently rate higher on my scale,.

Thanks, J.

Personally, I'm not concerned about race or culture. I'm looking for faith, kindness, strength, and stability.

This made my day. Although I might translate strength to a mutual desire to overcome weakness.

Ah! what the both of you said made My day! I can only say Amen to all of them.

Although I must add, the Ethiopian women I have seen have all been beautiful. (And it wasn't just because they were offering me food. Though, my suspicion is the Queen of Sheba brought berbere to Solomon.)

I have to say that I have noticed the same thing (interestingly, they were bringing me food, too). My father spent two years in Ethiopia when he was a teen, and he has remarked at the beauty of the Ethiopian girls.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

Although I must add, the Ethiopian women I have seen have all been beautiful. (And it wasn't just because they were offering me food. Though, my suspicion is the Queen of Sheba brought berbere to Solomon.)

I have to say that I have noticed the same thing (interestingly, they were bringing me food, too). My father spent two years in Ethiopia when he was a teen, and he has remarked at the beauty of the Ethiopian girls.

Here is a picture of average faces from around the world. Ethopian is ok, but there are lots of other countries that are hotter. Samoan is the ugliest, of course. As for me, I am all about Uzbek. Lord have mercy (x3).

I guess I just don't see why it is necessary to call Samoans ugly (and in a way that makes it clear that it should be obvious, as though we should all share your opinion) in order to call Uzbeks beautiful, but you're right that there's nothing wrong with posting faces in general. We have a whole thread for it.

Here is a picture of average faces from around the world. Ethopian is ok, but there are lots of other countries that are hotter. Samoan is the ugliest, of course.

Is it fun being a jerk?

Interesting that the South African girl pictured is white. Unfortunately racial persecution has made life very difficult for whites in SA and they are leaving the country they established and built up.

I guess I just don't see why it is necessary to call Samoans ugly (and in a way that makes it clear that it should be obvious, as though we should all share your opinion) in order to call Uzbeks beautiful, but you're right that there's nothing wrong with posting faces in general. We have a whole thread for it.

So when will your Uzbek wife be converting to Orthodoxy?

Well, "I don't see why it is necessary" does not mean "you are a jerk". Ice cream sundaes and roller coasters are not necessary. Most of the people who have ever lived on this earth have never even heard of ice cream. So what?

Anyway, the pictures are all composites, so I am not being uncharitable to any particular person.

My wife is not Uzbek. I have a beautiful young Japanese wife. She will convert if she chooses. One cannot force a flower to open.

Interesting that the South African girl pictured is white. Unfortunately racial persecution has made life very difficult for whites in SA and they are leaving the country they established and built up.

Otherwise the Greek, Polish and Swiss are the most attractive.

Yeah, too bad about SA. Afrikaans is on my list of languages to learn.

I think the Greek composite is the hottest of the three you mentioned. What is remarkable is how attractive most of these composites are.

Interesting that the South African girl pictured is white. Unfortunately racial persecution has made life very difficult for whites in SA and they are leaving the country they established and built up.

Otherwise the Greek, Polish and Swiss are the most attractive.

Yeah, too bad about SA. Afrikaans is on my list of languages to learn.

I think the Greek composite is the hottest of the three you mentioned. What is remarkable is how attractive most of these composites are.

Cheers. You have good taste!

Med women (Spanish, Italian, Greek, French) i find in general to be the most attractive. Followed by central and northern European.

Interesting that the South African girl pictured is white. Unfortunately racial persecution has made life very difficult for whites in SA and they are leaving the country they established and built up.

Otherwise the Greek, Polish and Swiss are the most attractive.

Yeah, too bad about SA. Afrikaans is on my list of languages to learn.

I think the Greek composite is the hottest of the three you mentioned. What is remarkable is how attractive most of these composites are.

Cheers. You have good taste!

Med women (Spanish, Italian, Greek, French) i find in general to be the most attractive. Followed by central and northern European.

My mother's line is Spanish and it has really come out in my daughter as quite a blend of Japanese and northern Iberian features. It is hard for us to go a day without a stranger commenting to us how lovely she is. I am going to have to be very careful with this tot.

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

Did your mother submit to him?

It is a shame you posted this post-weekend. I will answer the question. But first I would like you to tell me precisely what you personally mean by the phrase in your own words, with no scripture citations, just your own words, with no ambiguities, demonstrating the precise question that your are curious about, such that anyone over age 16 could understand. Anything less is a cop out and the ball is in your court. The reason I am asking is that I do not understand the logic in your question. Which is worrisome, so you might want to deal with that as well.

Although I must add, the Ethiopian women I have seen have all been beautiful. (And it wasn't just because they were offering me food. Though, my suspicion is the Queen of Sheba brought berbere to Solomon.)

I have to say that I have noticed the same thing (interestingly, they were bringing me food, too). My father spent two years in Ethiopia when he was a teen, and he has remarked at the beauty of the Ethiopian girls.

Here is a picture of average faces from around the world. Ethopian is ok, but there are lots of other countries that are hotter. Samoan is the ugliest, of course. As for me, I am all about Uzbek. Lord have mercy (x3).

They all look alike.

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Every formula of every religion has in this age of reason, to submit to the acid test of reason and universal assent.Mahatma Gandhi

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

Did your mother submit to him?

It is a shame you posted this post-weekend. I will answer the question. But first I would like you to tell me precisely what you personally mean by the phrase in your own words, with no scripture citations, just your own words, with no ambiguities, demonstrating the precise question that your are curious about, such that anyone over age 16 could understand. Anything less is a cop out and the ball is in your court. The reason I am asking is that I do not understand the logic in your question. Which is worrisome, so you might want to deal with that as well.

What don't you understand about the question, "Did your mother submit to him?"

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

Did your mother submit to him?

It is a shame you posted this post-weekend. I will answer the question. But first I would like you to tell me precisely what you personally mean by the phrase in your own words, with no scripture citations, just your own words, with no ambiguities, demonstrating the precise question that your are curious about, such that anyone over age 16 could understand. Anything less is a cop out and the ball is in your court. The reason I am asking is that I do not understand the logic in your question. Which is worrisome, so you might want to deal with that as well.

What don't you understand about the question, "Did your mother submit to him?"

Your worry is a personal problem, so I am not going to deal with it.

I understood it to be a vague and open ended question. I decided to have some control of the center of the board rather than winging it. What didn't you understand by my reply? Is is clear enough for you now?

In regard to the other matter, I think you have changed, you can take it or leave it.

Finally, I was raised by my father to be a gentleman. He was a exceptional human being. I frankly can't remember him ever erring from the path that Christ set out for us to follow. I need him now and I am surviving on the basis of my remembrance of him. I greatly appreciated the logic of your arguments in the past and I wish you will return to your old self. I am tired of your current vapid statements. Take care (meaning I am striving to be a nice guy and one of my goals in life is caring about you).

Did your mother submit to him?

It is a shame you posted this post-weekend. I will answer the question. But first I would like you to tell me precisely what you personally mean by the phrase in your own words, with no scripture citations, just your own words, with no ambiguities, demonstrating the precise question that your are curious about, such that anyone over age 16 could understand. Anything less is a cop out and the ball is in your court. The reason I am asking is that I do not understand the logic in your question. Which is worrisome, so you might want to deal with that as well.

What don't you understand about the question, "Did your mother submit to him?"

Your worry is a personal problem, so I am not going to deal with it.

I understood it to be a vague and open ended question. I decided to have some control of the center of the board rather than winging it. What didn't you understand by my reply? Is is clear enough for you now?

I am sorry it is vague and open-ended to you. I asked the question with certain passages of scripture in mind, so I imagine those writers were also vague and open-ended. Don't shoot the messenger.