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Glitches aside, what are the community's thoughts on the P23A-S vs. the -DS variant?

I like the structured fit of the S more, belt loops, button on the fly, the potential for a nice patina, & most importantly the floating pockets feel like they can actually be used to store things. Things I like better on the DS is the webbing system & obviously the stretch.

Also, it's crazy how raf changes color in different lighting. In direct sunlight it looked dark brown but in moderate indoor lighting it's the olive color I much prefer.

Edited November 1, 2018 by X.bee

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Speaking of P23 variants, am I the only one who can't figure out how to use the drawcord on the -S/-CH properly? The one on the -DS has buckles to hold it in place, but the regular one just seems to end in loose straps for decoration? Is there a way to fix them in the cinched position? I realize you can just tie their ends together but that looks like crap and gets in the way of using a belt...

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i send e-mail about high price, i got reply and they agreed that it was too high to be priced that way.

Since i brought it to their attention, they made me a coupon code that i can put towards that item

too bad.... i was at work, by the time i check email... already sold out

oh well...

yeah gave them a call a few days ago about the higher price and shipping (they don't ship outside the usa), they said the same and agreed the price is too high, told me the manager would look into it. he did wonder why it was still sitting there unsold. seems like they listened and like magic they're gone.

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quick question. there is a difference in the quality of the fabric between the newer (2017) foil bags vs the older (2015/2016?) bags correct? if so, is there anything to look for when purchasing so i can tell the two apart? more specifically the 3ts. iirc the older foil bag does not have the peeling problem?

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Speaking of P23 variants, am I the only one who can't figure out how to use the drawcord on the -S/-CH properly?

the drawcords without buckles are meant to tighten the waist but by no means are they enough on their own to prevent loosening of the waist from walking around. after cinching the waist w/ the drawcords (think of putting on snowboard pants where you squat and pull on drawstrings to tighten the waist to your size), a belt is necessary.

that's why for p23a-s product shots on the mothersite, a belt is accompanied (ignore other sites such as oki-ni that have tied the drawcords)

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That's actually how I've been using them. I never expected the drawstrings to hold the pants in place while walking or anything, but once I let them go to close my belt, they instantly slide back all the way and don't keep the cinch at all, which makes them pretty useless to me. I mean in that case I could've just pulled the pants together using my belt and not bother with the drawstrings in the first place. Another pet peeve for me is due to the ultra wide waist, the pants basically drop to the ground instantly once you open the belt - it would've been nice if the drawstrings would at least hold the pants in their shape a little bit. Anyway, I guess the strings weren't intended to have any such function then ... gonna try if I can mod them with some webbing sliders to hold the cinch.

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That's actually how I've been using them. I never expected the drawstrings to hold the pants in place while walking or anything, but once I let them go to close my belt, they instantly slide back all the way and don't keep the cinch at all, which makes them pretty useless to me. I mean in that case I could've just pulled the pants together using my belt and not bother with the drawstrings in the first place. Another pet peeve for me is due to the ultra wide waist, the pants basically drop to the ground instantly once you open the belt - it would've been nice if the drawstrings would at least hold the pants in their shape a little bit. Anyway, I guess the strings weren't intended to have any such function then ... gonna try if I can mod them with some webbing sliders to hold the cinch.

the ultra wide waist and instant pant drop is designed for quick bed action access

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wise choice. I ordered Large, but this was way too big. But I am happy with my white J74-PX anyway. I really love the jacket.
it would be great if I could find a white J47 as well. fingers crossed for some random dropping in the near future

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That's actually how I've been using them. I never expected the drawstrings to hold the pants in place while walking or anything, but once I let them go to close my belt, they instantly slide back all the way and don't keep the cinch at all, which makes them pretty useless to me. I mean in that case I could've just pulled the pants together using my belt and not bother with the drawstrings in the first place. Another pet peeve for me is due to the ultra wide waist, the pants basically drop to the ground instantly once you open the belt - it would've been nice if the drawstrings would at least hold the pants in their shape a little bit. Anyway, I guess the strings weren't intended to have any such function then ... gonna try if I can mod them with some webbing sliders to hold the cinch.

Have you tried pulling them really tight and then running the drawstrings through the buckle a second time? that helps for me on my DS variant

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i was under the impression that the drawstrings were there to hold the extra fabric as opposed to just using a belt with the fabric being bunched up in weird places. the buckle is one of the reasons why i love the ds variant

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That's actually how I've been using them. I never expected the drawstrings to hold the pants in place while walking or anything, but once I let them go to close my belt, they instantly slide back all the way and don't keep the cinch at all, which makes them pretty useless to me. I mean in that case I could've just pulled the pants together using my belt and not bother with the drawstrings in the first place. Another pet peeve for me is due to the ultra wide waist, the pants basically drop to the ground instantly once you open the belt - it would've been nice if the drawstrings would at least hold the pants in their shape a little bit. Anyway, I guess the strings weren't intended to have any such function then ... gonna try if I can mod them with some webbing sliders to hold the cinch.

Longtime Acronym admirer here! Recently started lurking on this forum to do some research before finally purchasing my first Acronym pieces.

First piece was P27-DS, with the super convenient sliding buckles for the webbing. Second piece was P22-S, which I assumed had the same buckle system. Instead, they have the same free drawcord webbing as P23A-S, and they were falling off me in public since I tried going beltless... Had to tie the drawcords together -- this worked well, but sacrifices the dangling drawcord aesthetic and left wrinkles in the webbing.

My first solution -- went on Amazon and bought some YKK cam lock lever plastic buckles. Worked perfectly and, IMO, suited the technical aesthetic of the pants. I also bought some tri-glide buckle fasteners, very similar to the ones used by Acronym themselves in their beltless drawcord pieces, but these were useless without an extra piece of connecting webbing between the two fasteners to maintain tension and lock the sliders.

Lately, I've been using a belt with my P22-S and the P23A-S from the recent drop. I don't use the YKK buckles anymore, but they're low profile enough that you could use them in combination with your belt to keep the pants cinched up even when your belt is unbuckled. I might move to this setup myself for some piece of mind against untimely pants dropping when I'm standing at a urinal, or any other situation where I need to undo my belt without dropping my pants...

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Talking about belts, Eliminator Japan have a new collaboration with Bagjack’s cobra belt - its 30cm longer then usual. It comes in both black and silver buckles. When I wear it tightened, the excess belt strap hangs till my knees - acronym aesthetics. I think its not yet available on web, but interested fellows who live in Tokyo can purchase from their Daikanyama shop