There is quite a double standard when it comes to tolerance of violence between the sexes. Some of that attitude is understandable due to the natural physical size difference, but it shouldn't be condoned either way.

Csb: Had an ex that was rather drunk and picked a verbal fight. I calmly ended it with a "whatever" and walked downstairs and watched tv. About a half hour later she comes down with a baseball bat screaming how she wants to beat me to death. She then grabs her car keys and starts to leave and I block her path to the door because she's drunk and in no condition to drive.

She takes a half hearted swing at me with the bat, I grab it out of her hands at which she starts screaming how she's going to call the police on me. At no point did I even raise my voice or threaten her. I did know that if she called the police it was me that would end up in jail no matter what I said. Eventually I talked her into just going to bed. The point here is that women know they have leverage to get away with a lot of crazy shiat and they use it. They are often given the benefit of the doubt, but are just as batshiat as men.

Millennium:WhippingBoy: What you people fail to see is that abuse is an institutional thing. You can't be an "abuser" if you're in the oppressed minority (e.g. a women). It goes the other way. The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, not the other way around.

Not sure if serious, but either way, this post explains exactly why "group guilt" and "shared responsibility" folks don't get taken seriously. People need to be held responsible for their own actions, and no one else's. To do otherwise is scapegoating: a fundamentally unjust act.

That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".

It is not a double standard because most women can't really hurt men without using weapons. Have you ever seen a women's self defense final exam? Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend? Have you ever been hit by a woman?

This app is funny because the actions depicted don't happen in real life without the man's consent.

g4lt:GoldSpider: g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.

So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??

So the ONLY choices are "kill the biatch" or "do nothing"? Dude, remember that whole "civilization" thing? Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested". Interesting that you added a helper to the woman abuser here though. This is typical in your experience, that when people see a person being abused, they pile on?

You ever tried to have a woman arrested in a domestic violence incident? They never get arrested unless they are dumb enough to commit battery right in front of the police, it is always the mans fault, always. Guy could have four bullets in him, be bleeding out, and the mouth breathing sub-100 IQ police would still say it is his fault.

MayoSlather:She takes a half hearted swing at me with the bat, I grab it out of her hands at which she starts screaming how she's going to call the police on me. At no point did I even raise my voice or threaten her. I did know that if she called the police it was me that would end up in jail no matter what I said. Eventually I talked her into just going to bed. The point here is that women know they have leverage to get away with a lot of crazy shiat and they use it. They are often given the benefit of the doubt, but are just as batshiat as men.

You should have let her call them. Being drunk is worse for your case than being a dude in domestic disputes. Well it was in my experience anyway.

I called the cops to remove a drunken woman from my apartment once, she was a friend of my girlfriend and was being very rude towards me and my other guests. When I told her to leave she got violent. I told her to leave and she refused. I had two options at this point, leave myself and leave her in control of my property and possessions, forcibly remove her, or call the police. When the cops showed up to find a sober me standing by the door and her drunkenly raving about how I hit her and they should take me to jail the officer just laughed and slapped the cuffs on her. She's no longer friends with my wife.

LowbrowDeluxe:I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.

Shhhh! The men are commiserating about how persecuted they are. Don't interrupt men with your silly facts.

ciberido:LowbrowDeluxe: I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.

Shhhh! The men are commiserating about how persecuted they are. Don't interrupt men with your silly facts.

VonEvilstein:Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread. At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.

Mr. Right:onyxruby: I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.

There was a guy who worked for me for a short time who was in an abusive relationship. I asked him to work late one night on a drop-in project for a customer and he allowed as how he would be beaten when he got home if he did. He wondered if he could come in a few hours early the next morning instead. After talking to him for a bit, he admitted that he was in an abusive relationship, that she hit him frequently because of an out-of-control temper (I daresay she was bipolar). I asked him why he stayed and he allowed as how he thought of himself as a lightening rod between her and their two daughters. He had tried the marriage counseling and other avenues but she could put on a great show for others so nothing changed and he was pretty sure it wouldn't.

Then one morning he came in with a black eye. I invited him into my office and asked him about it. His wife had always been careful not to leave a mark. He broke down and told me that his oldest daughter, then about 14, had thrown a temper tantrum because he didn't want her to start dating. She hit him and his wife only encouraged her and said he deserved it. A week later he wrapped a company car around an overpass support at about 75 mph. Clear, dry conditions and no skid marks.

Definitely not a cool story, bro.

Good god, that is one of the saddest things I've read in a while. I just imagine he made it through everyday by telling himself it was for his daughters, and then one of them starts turning into the mother. How utterly life-shattering that must have been.

ciberido:VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread. At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.

Well, you don't see any dinosaurs in those liberal bastions of Massachusetts, New York, or California, do you?

Slaves2Darkness:g4lt: GoldSpider: g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.

So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??

So the ONLY choices are "kill the biatch" or "do nothing"? Dude, remember that whole "civilization" thing? Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested". Interesting that you added a helper to the woman abuser here though. This is typical in your experience, that when people see a person being abused, they pile on?

You ever tried to have a woman arrested in a domestic violence incident? They never get arrested unless they are dumb enough to commit battery right in front of the police, it is always the mans fault, always. Guy could have four bullets in him, be bleeding out, and the mouth breathing sub-100 IQ police would still say it is his fault.

I used to work in a zero-tolerance jurisdiction. The rule was this: If there is a report of domestic violence, somebody is leaving that house tonight. In handcuffs, into a hotel room, in an ambulance, in her sister's car, SOMETHING. Somebody's going to be not home. This was in response to some recent incidents where domestic violence calls got FIDOed and people died. And yes, all of those people had girl parts. In most cases (usually related to child care or the difficulty in packing all of one's necessary shiat), it was the guy who was removed from his own home. We made it abundantly clear that it had nothing to do with guilt or innocence, but that the law simply forbade us from leaving them together and that moving him was just logistically easier. Usually they understood.

The upshot (inasmuch as a zero tolerance policy can have an upshot) is that if somebody's going to jail anyway, taking one or taking both doesn't really make that much of a difference so there's no disincentive to arresting whoever you think committed a crime, including her.

/was used as a weapon in a DV complaint//she recanted///and then here come the witnesses to point out her story made no sense////sorry dude, honestly

ciberido:VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread. At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.

That's just crazy. Everyone knows it was Adric and the Cybermen who did that.

Egoy3k:MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?

Voxper:There are NO differences between women and men. Except in the ways that women are better than men.

Pro-tip: If you want to have any credibility with your other statements about "this is what feminists have told me" or "I totally read this on a feminist web site," then you probably shouldn't misrepresent feminists <B>in the very same thread</B>.

browntimmy:Good god, that is one of the saddest things I've read in a while. I just imagine he made it through everyday by telling himself it was for his daughters, and then one of them starts turning into the mother. How utterly life-shattering that must have been.

As his boss, I realized I was walking a fine line between counseling and meddling so I tried to do a lot more listening, once he opened up, than talking. But when I asked him if he thought it was a good idea for his daughters to see the kind of parental interaction he and his wife were modeling, he kind of slumped and said that he didn't think it was any good but he didn't know what else to do. When he came in with the black eye, he put on a good show in front of the rest of the company about stepping on a rake or something like that. But, behind the closed door of my office, he completely broke down. I knew, at that moment, that he had been, as you put it, shattered. And it still haunts me that I never anticipated his suicide. He had put on such a good tough guy show in front of others that I thought he could handle it. Quite honestly, had I not asked him to work pretty late that one night, I doubt he would ever have opened up to me. This happened 18 years ago and I am getting teary-eyed typing about it. R.I.P. Jim

While I do find this app to be reprehensible and agree that Apple should drop it, I am also rather amused by the crowd in here screaming about how there is a double standard and that something portraying a guy beating a girl for fun would never be tolerated in our society.

Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?). As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife. Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes).

Perhaps the reason why you think there is a double standard where only female-on-male violence is tolerated in pop culture is because things like this app are pretty rare while the above mentioned things are so omnipresent in our culture that you barely even notice it anymore and just accept it as the default normal. Or perhaps you're just letting let your own personal bias distort your perception.

Moonfisher:There are plenty of men being abused by women as well as both genders being abused in same sex relationships. You don't hear about the men because they seldom come forward. Law enforcement usually doesn't take them seriously and their peers ridicule them and question their masculinity. It's silly to get your panties wadded over an app, but we as a society need to address all abuse and take measures to end the double standard.

A lot of women don't come forward either, not even when they're raped. So, no double standard. A mess, maybe, but no double standard. If you're in an abusive relationship, YOU get blamed for it. Get used to it. I've been hearing about how it was all my fault for years.

You can't be an "abuser" (or a racists, or a bigot, etc. etc.) if you're a member of an oppressed minority (e.g. anyone who isn't a straight white male). The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, and thus are the only ones capable of abuse.

My ex didn't participate in Flying Plate Night, as I would only buy plastic. But she was aces at Flying End Table Night. After her stunning entry, I didn't even try to enter the competition. Plus, I only had one end table.

Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.

L.D. Ablo:My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk. One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested. On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head. Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?).

I don't see anyone saying that this will encourage violence, most of them are just annoyed with double standards.

As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife.

Even supposing that this is true (the millions of records thing not the song) it's not because of that song it's because of his ability as an artist or the studios ability to fake his ability.

Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes)

Nobody is upset at them making fun of men they are upset about depicting violence which has nothing to do with sandwiches.

ciberido:Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?

I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.

My ex didn't participate in Flying Plate Night, as I would only buy plastic. But she was aces at Flying End Table Night. After her stunning entry, I didn't even try to enter the competition. Plus, I only had one end table.

That wasn't a competition. She was just engaging you in a friendly game of catch.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:While I do find this app to be reprehensible and agree that Apple should drop it, I am also rather amused by the crowd in here screaming about how there is a double standard and that something portraying a guy beating a girl for fun would never be tolerated in our society.

Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?). As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife. Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes).

Perhaps the reason why you think there is a double standard where only female-on-male violence is tolerated in pop culture is because things like this app are pretty rare while the above mentioned things are so omnipresent in our culture that you barely even notice it anymore and just accept it as the default normal. Or perhaps you're just letting let your own personal bias distort your perception.

Actually, more relevant would be that Sony doesn't go out of their way to censor video games from their system in the same way that Apple does. It's like comparing what is 'acceptable content' in a NYTimes article to, say, FARK Comments. Apple makes a big deal about there being a 'morality gateway' to their App Store, which this passed, while GTA went under no such burden.

Prank Call of Cthulhu:I gotta say, that's actually pretty funny (and I'm a dude). Seeing men get butthurt about this is a lot like listening to white people complain about how "honkey" is OK, but the dreaded n-bomb isn't, unless you're black. Or rich people griping about some lucky ducky poor person not having to pay taxes. Protip: If you're the one holding most of the power, you don't actually get to complain about being the butt of the joke. But by all means, go right ahead and act like an enormous pussy and cry about some video game. It totally doesn't make you look like a sandy-vaged pussy.

Having been on the receiving end of a psychotic abusive girlfriend, all I can say go fark yourself with a rusty Garden Weasel.

When she throws things at you, and then threatens to call the cops and lie her ass off if you try and defend yourself, there's no joke involved.

Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.

Egoy3k:the_vegetarian_cannibal: Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.

I read your whole post but you are still wrong. Mistreating prostitutes does not 'exist' in the game any more than it does in real life. You can pay for their 'services' or not as you like. The game never actually gives any indications that this is even possible let alone encouraged and it's a pretty obscure part of the game as it is. Once the transaction is complete the hooker walks away. If you decide to kill her she drops some money just like any other random person on the street will drop some money when you kill them.

Killing hookers has never been a mechanic in GTA just like flying into the World Trade Center isn't a mechanic in a flight sim.

Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.

Egoy3k: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.

If you're trying to say the game makes all women to be skanky prostitutes, then it's also saying all men are violent thugs. And there's plenty of regular looking men and women you can kill and beat up just as easily.

My ex was very abusive and I stayed for the kids that she tricked me into having, to have me stay. (long story that I've already wrote down in previous threads).

Anything that you guys can think of, she probably did it, and when I left, she tried every trick to cause me trouble.

Even with witnesses to her punching me in the face, the cop told me that if I pressed charges, she'd get a warning BUT if she claimed that I hit her (even in defense, and regardless of how many witnesses), the law was that they'd have to arrest me.

She kept pulling crap until the cops, the lawyers, the judges, the children services got tired of the crap, and I ended with full custody and she hasn't seen the kids in about 10 years (or more...)

This is a quick version as I have so many stories that I could tell, which most I've done in previous threads...

The one thing that's a fact, a man has no resources, no assistance, is always the bad guy coontil proven innocent)...

Can girls/women get away with it... hell yes... even if my ex ended up diagnosed as paranoid-schizophrenic, a man that would have done even less than 1/2 the stuff she did would have been in jail for a few years.

Egoy3k:I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.

So you and MsIndy are the same person? MsIndy is one of your alts? Because nothing you say makes any damn sense otherwise.