If anyone is interested i will have the new Lorenzi fruit book for sale with priority mail shipping included for $89 inside USA, and $104 outside of USA. Please PM me if you'd like a copy. I should get them in 3-4 weeks.

I have 3 copies available now of the new Lorenzi book, Frutas No Brasil. It's really a beauty, a lot fatter than the previous book, lots of new species. Only problem is it's only in portuguese language. If interested PM me. The price is $89 including priority mail shipping. The price to foreign countries will be $114 including priority mail shipping. If interested please PM me.If you are interested in old english version i only have one copy left! This book is now unfortunately out of print. You can order that one from my website.

I am interested to know what the changes are to plinia and myrciaria, although I suspect it is the following:all traditional trunk-fruiting jaboticabas have been classified 'plinia' while the so-called false jaboticabas (like blue grape/blue jabo, cabelluda/yellow jabo, camu camu, cambui) have been classified 'myrciaria' as they fruit more on the stem and are genetically separate enough. There might be some exceptions like cambuca (plinia edulis).

I'm also thinking that Paulista and Sabara are two varieties of plinia cauliflora, not plinia jaboticaba as some are putting for Sabara. And if my memory serves me correctly, white jabo (aureana) is actually a variety of plinia phitrantha.

I have the book and I tried to answer your questions, here is what the book can answer:

1) I saw no reference to grimal in the book; There is a P. spiritosantensis from the Brazilian state of Espírito Santo. I believe now there is widespread belief that grimal is not equivalent to P. spiritosantensis. I think the grimal is from the state of Alagoas, but there is no reference to that in the book; Could grimal be a northern cultivar/variety of P. spiritosantensis? I believe there is discussion on the Grimal somewhere on the forum by more knowledgeable, jaboticaba-experts;

2) Paulista is classified as P. cauliflora and Sabará as P. jaboticaba;

3) White jaboticaba not P. phitrantha but P. aureana;

4) The Plinia/Myrciaria divide you refer to (trunk-fruiting or not) seems correct according to the book.

I am interested to know what the changes are to plinia and myrciaria, although I suspect it is the following:all traditional trunk-fruiting jaboticabas have been classified 'plinia' while the so-called false jaboticabas (like blue grape/blue jabo, cabelluda/yellow jabo, camu camu, cambui) have been classified 'myrciaria' as they fruit more on the stem and are genetically separate enough. There might be some exceptions like cambuca (plinia edulis).

I'm also thinking that Paulista and Sabara are two varieties of plinia cauliflora, not plinia jaboticaba as some are putting for Sabara. And if my memory serves me correctly, white jabo (aureana) is actually a variety of plinia phitrantha.

I might have considered buying a hard copy in English, but they don't have that planned. I'm probably too amateurish to appreciate the whole book anyway. It looks like they are still using the old taxonomic system which is not right in my opinion.

My book arrived, and its now one of the center pieces of my library. IMO its a big step up from the Brazilian Fruits and Cultivated Exotics, even though the blue book is still head and shoulders over many of the books I have managed to collect.

Are you familiar with the Serie Frutas Nativas line of books through FUNEP? They are inexpensive and are written about just one species each. Anyways thanks for the new black book.

My book arrived, and its now one of the center pieces of my library. IMO its a big step up from the Brazilian Fruits and Cultivated Exotics, even though the blue book is still head and shoulders over many of the books I have managed to collect.

Are you familiar with the Serie Frutas Nativas line of books through FUNEP? They are inexpensive and are written about just one species each. Anyways thanks for the new black book.

I'm glad you like the new black book. Just sad they are probably not coming out with an english hard copy version. And the blue book version in english is now out of print, which means hard luck for english speaking fruit lovers. Don't know about the books from FUNEP. Do you have a link to their books? Thanks, Oscar

Oscar, I agree it would have been nice if the book was offered in English, especially if the other book is now out of print.

The link to the series of books on FUNEP.org.br is below. I clicked one of the tabs on the left side of the page for book types (fruit books) and was amazed at the books they have listed for sale.

The book I am interested in, is by Dr. Sergio Sartori on Uvaia. Its maybe 40 pages or so, but I read somewhere else, that he says there are 11 to 16 species/varieties of Uvaia in Brazil. I am just curious as to the quality, format, and composition of the book, because its the only website I have found with it listed. I believe he wrote another one on grumixama (28 pages).

Oscar, I agree it would have been nice if the book was offered in English, especially if the other book is now out of print.

The link to the series of books on FUNEP.org.br is below. I clicked one of the tabs on the left side of the page for book types (fruit books) and was amazed at the books they have listed for sale.

The book I am interested in, is by Dr. Sergio Sartori on Uvaia. Its maybe 40 pages or so, but I read somewhere else, that he says there are 11 to 16 species/varieties of Uvaia in Brazil. I am just curious as to the quality, format, and composition of the book, because its the only website I have found with it listed. I believe he wrote another one on grumixama (28 pages).

Thanks for the link. I think they are all in pamphlet format, not books. Still some may contain unique and detailed information as they are written by specialists in particular fruit. The trick is to get someone to mail them to you. I don't think that website mails internationally, or do they?

Hey Azores,If you have time, can you check what is written about the varieties of grumichama? I know about black (iocarpus), purple (erythrocarpus) and yellow (leucocarpus) but I haven't found a name for the orange type yet.

Hey Azores,If you have time, can you check what is written about the varieties of grumichama? I know about black (iocarpus), purple (erythrocarpus) and yellow (leucocarpus) but I haven't found a name for the orange type yet.

Dear Mango Stein,

In the book, just the first three you mentioned: E. brasiliensis Lam.; E. brasiliensis var. erythrocarpa Cambess. (in the book it is called red grumichama, not purple); E. brasiliensis var. leucocarpa Cambess.

There is an orange grumichama here in Australia, probably just a random mutation. It looks distinct from yellow, but I note that in the description they call it yellow as well. http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/buy/grumichama-orange-tree.htm The other thing I noticed is that the fruit appears to have no calyx.

I have another request to ask for those with the latest book. Do they shed any light on the bunchosia armeniaca vs argentea vs glandulifera. I believe that the one with wavy leaves is glandulifera - and that is the most widespread. See for instance a good write-up on http://www.arthurleej.com/p-o-m-May11.html

Adam linked to the above, although disagreeing with it. Maybe glandulifera won't be in the book if it is native only to Colombia and Venezuela...