The Associated Press story covering the Supreme Court hearing on requested release of Vincent Foster crime-scene photos read as follows: "Five government investigations concluded that White House attorney Vincent Foster's death in 1993 was a suicide."

Not true.

There haven't been five government investigations. In fact, there hasn't been even one real government investigation. Instead, there have been five cover-ups, all using the same tainted evidence and the same tainted investigators.

Attorney Allan Favish believes the public may learn something from 10 unreleased police photos of Foster and has taken the issue all the way to the Supreme Court.

I believe he's right.

Color me a "conspiracy theorist" if you wish. But I go where the facts lead me. And the facts in the Foster case have never led to the conclusion of suicide in Fort Marcy Park. No matter how many government rubber stamps are placed on that theory, it will never hold water.

The Justice Department is fighting a lower-court order to release four of the photos under the Freedom of Information Act. The law allows the media and individuals to receive unclassified records the government would not normally release. Its "personal privacy" exemption does not cover surviving family members. Nevertheless, the government is still covering its behind  not wishing the public to find out it was sold a bill of goods a decade ago.

"I can think of no higher public interest than what's being argued here," said Favish. "I think the government can no longer be trusted to filter the raw evidence to the public in this case."

Favish said the government made numerous mistakes in its handling of Foster's death, and he believes the withheld photos will help prove his conspiracy theory.

Last week, a seemingly skeptical Supreme Court grilled Favish, suggesting the public is no closer to finding out the truth about what became of Bill Clinton's lawyer in 1993.

"There is a long-standing tradition of respect for the dead, for the survivors," said Justice Stephen Breyer. "It is something so deep in human nature."

In other words, it's not a matter of what the law actually says  but there's this "tradition ..."

Justice David Souter said there is a fundamental "right to be left alone." He indicated the Foster family's interest falls under the concept of privacy, and that they should not have to be "assaulted by having these photographs published."

The old right-to-privacy ... found nowhere in the Constitution.

Favish rightly pointed out it is up to Congress, not the courts, to give surviving family members specific privacy rights.

Justice Anthony Kennedy disputed the suggestion that the Supreme Court had endorsed the narrower definition of privacy in a 1989 decision protecting the confidentiality of criminal "rap sheets." Noting that the court in that case had said that traditional understandings of privacy "encompass the individual's control of information concerning his or her person," Kennedy told Favish that it was an "unfair reading" to equate "encompasses" with "consists of."

In other words, it all depends on what the word "is" means.

Even the usually reliable Antonin Scalia seemed to cave to political correctness on this issue. Scalia, who seemed to favor Favish's definition of the scope of privacy under the Freedom of Information Act, nevertheless was critical of the attorney's campaign to get the Foster death photos, at one point calling him a "conspiracy theorist" about the case.

"You have relatives here who are going to be very much harmed," Scalia said. "What is the interest on the other side? You've demonstrated some footfaults in the investigations, a mistake here and there, but who cares? Do you really think this is of significant moment for the country?"

Favish does. So do I. And no amount of name-calling by people who refuse to look at the facts is going to change that.

Simple, just release the photos of Foster mwalking out of the White House on the day he died. If the government would do that, then all the 'conspiracies' would immediately vanish.

Interesting that they don't roll such tape on the evening news.

But you are correct again - I guess that the tape that once existed showed C. Livingston carrying out a rug, and Foster somehow got out of the most secure building on the planet without being caught on any video at all.

Who had access to those tapes anyway...(the killer and cleanup squad are known to the Secret Service, IMO.)

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posted on 12/11/2003 9:09:07 AM PST
by Triple
(All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)

if I understand the time frame of her employment in that capacity correctly, it would have included the period of VWF's death and the subsequent ransacking of his office.

non of the events surrounding foster's last day in the white house have been found recorded on video tape. nor are there any known video tapes of interlopers who cleaned out foster's personal files and took them to the WH residence.

there may have been some of the early coffes held during her tour of duty with WH communications.

"that state dept gal you refer to was barbara wisw, iirc. sharlotte was WH communications officer."

Alright, excellent. Thanks a million, thinden. It's important to keep the corpses (during Its reign) properly identified even if "accuracey" doesn't seem to carry much weight these days. {g}

"...if I understand the time frame of her employment in that capacity correctly, it would have included the period of VWF's death and the subsequent ransacking of his office."

OK, so the USSC's not permitting anyone from inquiring of the video tapes, is that about right? If so, on what grounds could the robed morons possibly be basing their opin?

"none of the events surrounding foster's last day in the white house have been found recorded on video tape."

Why? The WH, various rooms therein & the entire WH grounds have got to be the most video taped places on the face of earth. Not another "memory hole." {/sarc}

"...nor are there any known video tapes of interlopers who cleaned out foster's personal files and took them to the WH residence."

Again, why? Has anyone -- whatsoever -- ever even attempted to offer a *reason* for something as unusual as that from being so; or, is "The Question" they're stonewalling?

"there may have been some of the early coffes held during her tour of duty with WH communications."

I'd bet there were; and, a hellova lot more than that, too; except, tapes of VF & her on the days in question. The smell's overwhelming.

"I think she was gone pre-monica."

Nothing's "pre-monica" with Clinton, only the names. ;^)

Off topic, but where in the hell have you been!? People like yourself, BIreland, & ND (to name just a few) are the people directly responsible for making this place more than just special. You people asked didn't just ask the tough questions; &, you then (somehow) marshalled some amazing investigative resources in an attempt to answer the questions. Without that kind of spirit, the place has turned into something hollow.

FWIW & at the risk of sounding smarmy, you & the others have been sorely missed; so, don'tremain a stranger, y'hear?

If y'all are posting elsewhere, it'd sure be nice to know where that is; &, no it's not necessary I know what handle you'd be posting under, either. It's what's going on in those brilliant, inquisative minds I seek.

Anyway as I said, really good reading ya & even better to know you're still up to asking those qusetions. Best of luck to you & the rest of the guys.

Close, but Barbara Alice Wise was in the Commerce Department. She was found dead in her office on November 26, 1996, at the very end of Clinton's first term. The AP stories on the event ran very briefly, but Rivero's old website at Barbara Wise is still up and has a summary of the strange events of that weekend after Thanksgiving, seven years ago.

BARBARA WISE

Was Barbara Alice Wise Tortured to Death.
Did Reagan era appointee, Wise, discover what was behind the illegal
contact between Bill Clinton, Ron Brown, and operatives of the Chinese
government, John Huang and Wang Jun? John Huang, long time friend of Bill
Clinton, Democratic Party bagman and agent of the Chinese, was hired by
Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and privy to classified documents. Ron Brown
died tragically in an airplane crash. When John Huang left the Commerce
Department to be bagman/fundraiser for the DNC, he was retained on
contract to the Commerce Department, by Charles Meissner, Assistant
Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. Under this
arrangement with Meissner, John Huang kept his security clearance and
remained in phone contact with agents of the Chinese government. Charles
Meissner has since died tragically in a plane crash. Barbara Alice Wise
was suspected of leaking Commerce documents exposing the Chinese
espionage. On November 29, 1996 Barbara Wise was found dead and bruised
>from head to waist in a locked Commerce Department office. According to
a news report on WRC TV, he body was found partially nude. On that same
morning President Clinton inexplicably left Camp David where he was
vacationing for the weekend and flew to the White House on Marine One, the
presidential helicopter. Questioned by reporters regarding this sudden
visit on the same morning that Barbara Wise's mottled body was discovered,
Mike McCurry, on behalf of the President, told an obvious and, as yet,
unchallenged lie:
John Belmont, ABC News: President Clinton took time out from his holiday
weekend at Camp David to stop by the Oval Office this morning to pick up
some poetry.
Jerry King, ABC Reporter from the White House: "Says Mike McCurry
(Presidential Press Secretary)," 'The program for the President's January
inauguration has to be completed by Monday. Mr. Clinton did not have some
of the books he wanted to research for example to find poetry to be read
at the event. So, he flew in the official helicopter, Marine One, back to
the White House to pick up the books.' [Reporter] Could the research not
have been delivered cheaper? McCurry says, "Well, sure."
There have been numerous news reports that President Clinton tinkered with
his inauguration speech well into January of 1997. As for the poem that
the President had to have that day--its as forgotten as poor Barbara
Alice Wise. Why did the White House lie about the President's unusual
behavior that day?
How seriously incriminating are the documents at the Commerce Department?
Here is James F. Hoobler, Bill Clinton's Inspector General of the U.S.
Small Business Administration writing a letter in the November 21, 1996
Wall Street Journal, a scant eight days before Barbara Wise's death. "In
respo Pour Nov. 5 editorial (CIA Takes Commerce Files): Let me make it
perfectly clear that no files have been taken by the CIA or any other
agency. All files remain in my custody. In addition, I took custody of
the safe and its contents at the request of the SBA's Office of General
Counsel, not in response to a subpoena....As for the classified documents,
Executive Order 12958, Section 4.2, prohibits disclosure without the
authorization of the agency that originally classified the document.
Examine these news stories filed by Reuters, Associated Pressed and UPI
respectively.
12:01 p.m. Friday November 29, 1996 Reuters: Body found in deceased's
office, where the International Trade Administration has offices. Cause of
death not yet determined. Police say the city's medical examiner would
perform an autopsy to determine the cause and manner of her death. Case
being investigated by Homicide branch.
5:21 PM Friday, November 29, 1996 [AP]
"The name of the 48-year-old woman was being withheld
pending notification of relatives. District of Columbia police spokesman,
J. C. Stamps said that an autopsy was being performed."
Clinton reviewing inaugural plans
by Helen Thomas UPI
29-NOV-1996 14:29
WASHINGTON, Nov. 29 (UPI) -- President Clinton briefly interrupted
his Thanksgiving holiday weekend at Camp David Friday with a quick trip
to the White House to gather data he wants to study in planning his
second inauguration and then returned to the mountaintop retreat.
The president, still suffering from a raspy voice, and ordered by
his doctor to rest his vocal chords, carried a briefcase as he strolled
to the waiting helicopter to return to Camp David. He wore a leather
jacket and was followed by an aide carrying a huge box of inaugural
papers.
Did the President orchestrate the unusually hurried autopsy of Barbara
Wise during his mysterious trip to the White House? Given the homicide
rate in DC, the shortage of medical examiners and the backlog of
suspicious deaths awaiting autopsy, how was the body of Ms. Wise able to
jump to the head of the line and go under the knife less than 10 hours
after being discovered. Was the huge box of "inaugural papers" actually
Commerce Department files similar to those buried in the SBA's safe?

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A reposting of who the gal was & what happened is in order. Wouldn't want this woman forgotten.

Both Green Dragon TavernandWhatReallyHappened are a wealth of information, & now bookmarked.

I really miss the FR investigations that turned up so many incredibly unanswered facts. The recent linking of gov richardson and AKAL got my attention big time.

In fact take a look at http://www.akalsecurity.com/Pages/article101303.pdf. AKAL has landed a contract in October (approved by the US Congress in 2003 Defense Authorization Act) to guard U.S. Army bases in Washington, Kansas, Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucy, Georgia and Alabama. They also are still providing security for many of our courts via a contract with US Marshalls. Akal is one of New Mexico's largest federal contractors...

This wouldn't bother me if FR's investigators hadn't tied Akal to the Scumbag, Reno and the Murrah Building in the '90s and to Richardson recently. Maybe everything's just fine, but IMO it's something to keep in the backs of our minds IF something nasty starts to develop in this country.

Also, BIG disappointment about Scalia, one of my biggest heroes and usually our best champion in the effort to hang to our Constitution.

Before nuking Scalia, I'd wait to see how he votes. Having read other things Scalia has said during oral arguments, I'm not really surprised by his comments. He will ask some pretty off the wall questions sometimes but at least he will base his opinion on the Constitution and not some tripe like what the E.U. courts says.

Worse. The questioning at one point went like this: You can't see the photos because you don't already have evidence of murder. But the photos might be the evidence. Well, you can't see the photos unless you have evidence of murder.

That's interesting, because it's exactly what will be presented to them if Rush Limbaugh's case ends up before the SCOTUS. So I suppose we should expect the same opinions there. Just replace photos with medical records and murder with the crime of doctor shopping.

I'm not about to defend any of the judges or justices involved in either of these two cases, but the two are entirely different.

Limbaugh is defending himself against over-zealous prosecuters who are trying to get evidence to enable them to press charges, but Favish is a private citizen, trying to get public access to covered-up crime scene pix of a dead victim.

The privacy concerns are totally different. But I'm not a lawyer (thank God) so I might have it wrong.

The questioning at one point went like this: You can't see the photos because you don't already have evidence of murder. But the photos might be the evidence. Well, you can't see the photos unless you have evidence of murder.

I'm sorry, but I agree with this, and it is the sort of protection you would invoke over your private life in a SIMILAR circumstance.

The family has a right to keep the photos private, unless there is probable cause a crime has been committed, then they could be seized under the 4th amendment. Apparently, no judge anywhere has yet thought there was sufficient evidence of a crime to invade the family's right to property.

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