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I never said he didn't play a part in his failure. It's just stupid having fans expect him to do things they already know he can't do. Expect what's realistic, not what you fantasize about. When you expect what's realistic, you can go somewhere.

I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying fans play a role in his own demise.

I expect 20 ppg on decent shooting %s, along with decent defense, and he hasn't given that. We aren't asking the world. Everyone knows he isn't a superstar. Also, people bring up his rebounding because it's a detriment to the team. We know what we get with Barfnani...let's see what someone else can do. This team is going nowhere.

Originally Posted by gwrighter

Bargnani is the 7foot version of J.R. Smith. Talent, athletic but posesses nothing between the ears.

basically what i've been saying, except he isn't athletic. he has a deceptively quick 1st step though.

I never said he didn't play a part in his failure. It's just stupid having fans expect him to do things they already know he can't do. Expect what's realistic, not what you fantasize about. When you expect what's realistic, you can go somewhere.

I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying fans play a role in his own demise.

Thats the problem, fans know what he can and can't do, thats why most of them have come to the conclusion that he sucks and its time to move on.

I expect 20 ppg on decent shooting %s, along with decent defense, and he hasn't given that. We aren't asking the world. Everyone knows he isn't a superstar. Also, people bring up his rebounding because it's a detriment to the team. We know what we get with Barfnani...let's see what someone else can do. This team is going nowhere.

He's basically given 2 of the 3 you expect in previous seasons.

I don't understand why we focus on his rebounding but we want to trade Bargnani so Ed Davis gets a chance yet he has the same amount of holes as Bargnani has. Not to mention have a redundancy with Ed and Jonas.

I don't understand why we focus on his rebounding but we want to trade Bargnani so Ed Davis gets a chance yet he has the same amount of holes as Bargnani has. Not to mention have a redundancy with Ed and Jonas.

he hasn't given decent shooting %s. look at his %s the last couple of years. We focus on rebounding because we're 28th so far in rebounding and have been getting owned on the boards.

Maybe with Ed we'll get better rebounding and defense, and it'll affect the team more. Ed gets easier shots with hook shots in the paint and no dumbass fadeaways. The only serious hole Ed has is 1v1 scoring, but who knows? maybe he'll play better with starters.

Thats the problem, fans know what he can and can't do, thats why most of them have come to the conclusion that he sucks and its time to move on.

At this point, fans are just trying to tolerate his existence.

Fans always focus on what he's not good at when his role is to do the things he's good at. And when he does perform well offensively, there's never any credit because he didn't do the things we know he can't do.

Fans always focus on what he's not good at when his role is to do the things he's good at. And when he does perform well offensively, there's never any credit because he didn't do the things we know he can't do.

Though I do agree a change of scenery would be beneficial.

The problem is, his negatives far out weighs his positives, thats why its hard to focus on the things he does well.

Fans always focus on what he's not good at when his role is to do the things he's good at. And when he does perform well offensively, there's never any credit because he didn't do the things we know he can't do.

you must've not been here when everyone was riding his nuts the first month of last season. nobody cared about his rebounding when he was on fire. When he's cold, like I said, he sticks out badly because he can't do jackshit else. And he sticks out often because of his inconsistent shooting.

he hasn't given decent shooting %s. look at his %s the last couple of years. We focus on rebounding because we're 28th so far in rebounding and have been getting owned on the boards.

Well I was focusing more on his 17 PPG on 47% shooting. Not necessarily the 20 PPG but he's a high teens scorer more than a low 20's scorer.

As for rebouding, I guess I understand the hate for his lack of rebounding. I've already concluded he's going to get 5 RPG so I'm more focused if he actually does what he's good at over doing the things he's not good at. So far, he's not doing what he's suppose to do (score).

Maybe with Ed we'll get better rebounding and defense, and it'll affect the team more. Ed gets easier shots with hook shots in the paint and no dumbass fadeaways. The only serious hole Ed has is 1v1 scoring, but who knows? maybe he'll play better with starters.

We'll probably get the defense and rebounding, but the offense won't work IMO. It'll just make it difficult for Derozan and Lowry to score having 3 players who aren't too developed offensively.

I'm not sure what your definition of Euro game is this issue is sounding kind of stereotypical to me.

Players can play with grit and tenacity regardless of where they are from.

Fast paced offence with a lot of high screen and rolls. Raps only have 1 real iso threat with Lowry out in Derozan. When the game slows down our team is useless because they can't create for themselves in an iso situation.