Nah, for everyone "me", Bara, and the like, there are plenty of still going tankadins, and various other new people.

Hell, I've not been a tankadin in a very very very long time. Outside of ICC, and the beginning of Cata, I haven't been a "Tankadin" since T5/6 except for part timing it.

When we ran into too many tanks in our final push in BT, I just swapped to Ret, and really only part time tanked things after Dual Spec landed, until ICC when we ran into a Tank Shortage. Then came HP, and I.... went to the dark side.

I just love this place. I haven't played WoW in over a year, and I still don't go more than a few days without checking.

If I was still raiding I'd probably do Normal/some Heroic and LFR for valor. Flex probably only if the regular raid group was short people or something. Mainly because running Flex would require getting into another organised group. Also seems like it'll tend toward large groups, and I hate 25 man.

I'm not sure what I'll run. In a way, they are not competing activities for me: Flex at least initially will be a guild thing, and my guild raids only once a week, while LFR is essentially a solo activity I can do whenever. So I'm not really fearing the "burn out" thing that sparked the long Flex/LFR thread.

However, heroic scenarios have already taken a big dent out of the attractiveness of LFR for me. I used to think it was the most interesting way to get VPs. But hc scens are just SO much more time efficient, I am not sure I can be bothered with LFR anymore. Also, it feels like LFR gear will be much less of an upgrade for my gear (522+2/2) than it was before. Is it just 2 item levels better? Not sure I want to spend 500 VPs per piece upgrading to get that.

I suspect I will run only LFR a few times for orientation; perhaps more if there are any more fights like Will of the Emperor where practicing as a tank would be really useful.

Ideally, my guild will be able to focus on normals and Flex will take off like ICC PUGs, so I can join them in weekend nights when my guild is not raiding. But that may take consolidated servers for that to happen as my server is pretty dead.

I marked all three, because I really don't know. Depends on my guildmaster and if his tolerance for absentee BS is lower or higher than mine.

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

Going from 0 to 1000 valor is just running a couple of HC Scenarios. You can Valor cap within the hour. LFR is such a slow method to cap, I don't think anyone is running it purely for valor at this point. Sure, the valor is a nice extra if you happen to run it, but nothing more.

Considering that most of the people who run LFR are kids that know nothing of teamplay and yell GOGOGOGOGO every 2 minutes, not sure if it'll be a nicer experience.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

I can forsee organized guilds and the "good" players running semi-random/audited PuG flex raids for the items, leaving LFR to those that couldn't move their character in a straight line if there was a 1 meter width corridor with no exits.

It drove me insane, to the point where I would slow down when they started it. I was a pretty fast pulling tank. To say that to me, showed you knew nothing about how other classes, or the game in general, worked outside of your little bubble.

Honestly the reason I stopped tanking in LFR was because no one cared to explain the fights and I couldn't pull and read the dungeon journal at the same time. One time I said "Hey guys can anyone explain this boss to me, I've never done him" and someone actually inspected me, called me a noob with bad gear, and votekicked me from the raid. So now unless I'm feeling confident I just queue as Ret and herp all the derps and no one cares.

Sabindeus wrote:Honestly the reason I stopped tanking in LFR was because no one cared to explain the fights and I couldn't pull and read the dungeon journal at the same time. One time I said "Hey guys can anyone explain this boss to me, I've never done him" and someone actually inspected me, called me a noob with bad gear, and votekicked me from the raid. So now unless I'm feeling confident I just queue as Ret and herp all the derps and no one cares.

This is exactly why my un-retirement from raid tanking lasted about 20 minutes.

And why I have yet to paladin tank anything beyond heroic dungeons. I'll tank flex/normal if I'm asked to, but fuck if I will LFR.

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

Sabindeus wrote:Honestly the reason I stopped tanking in LFR was because no one cared to explain the fights and I couldn't pull and read the dungeon journal at the same time. One time I said "Hey guys can anyone explain this boss to me, I've never done him" and someone actually inspected me, called me a noob with bad gear, and votekicked me from the raid. So now unless I'm feeling confident I just queue as Ret and herp all the derps and no one cares.

Same here. Nail in the coffin for me was Ultraxion (so waaay back), when I said it was my first time tanking, whispered my (afk) cotank, had already read up on the dungeon journal and still wiped the raid because noone and nowhere hinted that you had to specifically taunt each and every trash mob (and I had done that fight as dps several times). Who the hell pulls with a taunt?

I might have been in luck, as when I returned to the game a week before MoP came out, I ran the entirety of LFR twice (not knowing I would get zero loot for doing it a second time ). I explained that I had just gotten back to the game and every time someone was patient enough to explain to me what to do, usually my co-tank, but sometimes other random people.

I was tanking Tsulong in LFR. In norm, I am used to parking the dragon next to the sunbeam facing out from the centre of the circle, so that his breath would only hit me, and so that both ranged and melee have a quick trot to the sunbeam to reset their stacks. I had this ret pally in LFR insisting I was doing it wrong and absolutely haranguing me about how the boss should be far away from the beam. He even went to the extent of taunting the boss from me, which got him immediately pasted. He then went on to argue about it for the rest of the fight, while dead.

So I said "screw this" and went heals the next time I ran it. For the next 3 runs I did, we couldn't get past Tsulong because the DPS refused to kill the adds in the day phase. It's not like there's anything else for them to do in that phase, so why not kill the adds? The mind boggles. Anyway, I thought it was funny that they are "experts" on the fight but can't execute even the simplest of mechanics.

To be honest after I've been told that people in heroic dark animus aoe the adds by some hunter, I just started to giggle anytime someone pretends to be cluesome. I just link them my actual hc kill achi, and wait for them to fail at giving me theirs and say how "they got a friend in top guild"

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.