Post by WLViking on Nov 14, 2012 13:58:26 GMT -5

For the record, Hakuna is lying and was inspector 2 games ago. This is a 100% lie from Hakuna that it's his first time being inspector. I remember very vividly that he was inspector because he came out and gave all the names he guessed and then me and Kiko still quacked up the game and lost.

Kiko, some backup? Or really, all it takes is for someone to look back maybe 2-3 games and see for yourselves!

Hakunah is not inspector!!

Actually sfa was inspector that game. Hakuna was mafia with me.

Jimmyroo, if you are a townie, you have to see this is the best way. By sacrificing you, we can drill into who the mafia are, while safeguarding ourselves from whoever is fake inspector.

Post by quacker on Nov 14, 2012 14:41:43 GMT -5

Well if Roonectar had LLL's name and Hakuna just came out as fake inspector (something only LD would do as a Townie) then I think I think it's better to vote off LLL this round and Hakuna next round. We don't really have a margin of error with the abbreviated game anyway. Thoughts? Pros? Cons?

Post by WLViking on Nov 14, 2012 15:16:02 GMT -5

Quacker, you do know Hakuna came out first, right? It does not necessarily mean he is the real inspector, but you make it sound like he did it in response to roo. Here is the situation we are in:

Hakuna says he has roonectar. Based on that, and voting patterns, he voted Jimmyroo.

Roonectar says he had LLL, and that we should vote her off.

If we kill LLL, and roonectar was the real inspector, roonectar will probably be whacked. We then kill Hakuna and we win. If he is not whacked, it will be because they were trying to frame him. There is no solid way to know if he was inspector or not because we know he is asking about Hakuna. So we have to commit to roonectar being inspector and kill Hakuna. If we are wrong about him and roonectar is the fake, we lose, because we just lynched our own inspector and a townie.

If we kill Jimmyroo, and Hakuna is inspector, there is a chance we kill a mafia member. If Jimmyroo is a townie, then there are options for them. If he is mafia, and roonectar is fake, then roonectar has to survive. Either way, we will know a lot more if we kill Jimmyroo.

Post by quacker on Nov 14, 2012 15:31:48 GMT -5

Very interesting. Quacker just made his status invisible since his last post.

My status has never been invisible. I'm always online and never hide the fact that I am. And I know Hakuna came out first. Take the time to read. I'm with Roonectar on this. Have you been eating funny cookies?

Post by quacker on Nov 14, 2012 15:35:11 GMT -5

Quacker, you do know Hakuna came out first, right? It does not necessarily mean he is the real inspector, but you make it sound like he did it in response to roo. Here is the situation we are in:

Hakuna says he has roonectar. Based on that, and voting patterns, he voted Jimmyroo.

Roonectar says he had LLL, and that we should vote her off.

If we kill LLL, and roonectar was the real inspector, roonectar will probably be whacked. We then kill Hakuna and we win. If he is not whacked, it will be because they were trying to frame him. There is no solid way to know if he was inspector or not because we know he is asking about Hakuna. So we have to commit to roonectar being inspector and kill Hakuna. If we are wrong about him and roonectar is the fake, we lose, because we just lynched our own inspector and a townie.

If we kill Jimmyroo, and Hakuna is inspector, there is a chance we kill a mafia member. If Jimmyroo is a townie, then there are options for them. If he is mafia, and roonectar is fake, then roonectar has to survive. Either way, we will know a lot more if we kill Jimmyroo.

And regardless of who we vote off today we would know nothing if Roonectar is not whacked. It could be a frame-up or it could be that he pulled a fake inspector. We really won't know anything regardless of which way we go and who is whacked. The only way I will know if my hunch is right is if we vote off LLL and then Hakuna and the game ends.

Post by quacker on Nov 14, 2012 18:18:16 GMT -5

I searched high and low for your name in the status screen Mr Quacker. The nice thing about the mobile app is that it shows which invisible users are online.

And I would disagree on not knowing anything if roo gets whacked, but I am not going to put it out here to let the mafia plan around it.

Not sure what shit you're pulling. If you look at the Home page you will always see my name as an online user. I don't even know how to make myself invisible. I've seen posts from you when you use your mobile app and it seems kind of unreliable. You've missed posts before. And you must have missed mine where I obviously am with Roonectar. I'm on board with eliminating LLL and Hakuna and I don't see any benefit in voting off Jimmyroo when we can vote off LLL. You posting shit like that just makes me more wary of you. I've been on LLL all game. Your posts seem like a distraction to prevent the Townies winning.

Post by WLViking on Nov 14, 2012 19:14:04 GMT -5

Quacker,

I was actually on my computer when I went looking for you. I was camping since the inspector came out to see who was on in what combos. It does not tell you much, but it is better than nothing at all. When you were showing up as offline, and still posting, that is when I checked on my cell and saw you were still on. Could be an inforoo glitch. It has happened before, but I did not miss a single one of your posts.

Jimmyroo,

I have laid this out a few times, but I will try to be more clear. If roonectar is really our inspector, it is likely that you are a townie. If this is the case, roonectar likely gets whacked. It becomes certain that Hakuna is mafia, and likely that LLL is as well.

If hakuna is inspector, roonectar is definitely mafia, and it becomes likely that either you or Quacker is mafia with him. We only have 1 miss this game, so between the two of you, I would rather take the chance and kill you even if you are a townie. It will give us one more piece of information based on the whack. Look at it this way, by night 1, we will have an inspector, a fake, and both people alive that they said they had. Based on the night 1 whack, we can learn a lot more. I will not go into more detail because I have learned that posting shapes the mafia play, but if you truly are a townie, hopefully this clarifies this for you.

In my view, you did not attack him hard. You distanced early on, and were not directly responsible for him getting tossed into the runoff.

I am more inclined to believe Hakuna at this point based on the Day 1 voting, post content, and a few remarks made along the way, but I am still considering the other option. This is why I wish the inspector has come out prior to the first runoff starting. It would have done us a lot more good at that point.

Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Nov 14, 2012 19:33:24 GMT -5

Geez I about shit my pants today when I read this out and about and then my phone died so I've had to wait to get home to actually post. Shit my pants with glee because I KNEW I WAS RIGHT about Roo. Fucker. What Inspector rides another player like that and then says that he was trying to be subtle so that he could get another name. My ass. He came out conveniently after the real inspector did.

My thoughts are that this is EXACTLY what I thought was going on with Roo. And I believe Hakuna is the Inspector, but that is solely based on the fact that I know Roo is lying. Like I'm going to say anything else.

This can go many different ways, and unfortunately one of the ways is voting me off and then killing Hakuna if he makes it through the night AND LOSING at that point because you've eliminated two townies.

But this game is so short, so you have to go one way or another. No wiggle room here.

I would reckon Mafia is going to kill Hakuna or keep them both around to fight it out/set one up. Since I am privy to knowing my own role as townie for sure, I know that Roo is Mafia now for sure too.

Now, if I were say, Viking or Quacker, I would have to wonder if which one is really Inspector. Many players asked the Inspector to come forward a few pages back......when it could have made the run-off MUCH easier to navigate, and the Inspector did not respond, and Roo was actively playing at that point.

Also, as far as the invisible thing goes. If you go invisible, you disappear from the list of who has been online in the last 24 hours. If you then change back, you are added again. So that may have been what happened, you called Quacker on it and he went back to being visible. Could also be a glitch. I'm not putting much weight in that because I don't see Quacker doing the Invisible thing, but who knows I guess.

Post by quacker on Nov 14, 2012 20:53:19 GMT -5

OK, here's my thoughts after a little Irish embellishment. Either Roonectar or Hakuna or both is Mafia. I'm going to discount entirely the idea that both of them are because that would be ballsy as all hell and they are both relatively new and would have to cook that up all by themselves. No offense but I don't think too many expert players would dream that one up.

So the biggest problem I hae with Hakuna being Inspector is that he's hardly paid attention to the game. I find it hard to believe that he would play Inspector after having hardly any interaction in the game. The most damning thing is his admitting that he's been a non-participant in the game. How can you even think of not being involved if you're the Inspector?

I'm willing to hear arguments for either side. I'm a fucking Townie so I want to hear arguments from everyone. I certainly can understand that I am not above suspicion from the other Townies but the only thing I will have to go on in this decision is to hear what I can understand as a reasonable choice.

Post by WLViking on Nov 14, 2012 20:59:54 GMT -5

OK, here's my thoughts after a little Irish embellishment. Either Roonectar or Hakuna or both is Mafia. I'm going to discount entirely the idea that both of them are because that would be ballsy as all hell and they are both relatively new and would have to cook that up all by themselves. No offense but I don't think too many expert players would dream that one up.

So the biggest problem I hae with Hakuna being Inspector is that he's hardly paid attention to the game. I find it hard to believe that he would play Inspector after having hardly any interaction in the game. The most damning thing is his admitting that he's been a non-participant in the game. How can you even think of not being involved if you're the Inspector?

I'm willing to hear arguments for either side. I'm a quacking Townie so I want to hear arguments from everyone. I certainly can understand that I am not above suspicion from the other Townies but the only thing I will have to go on in this decision is to hear what I can understand as a reasonable choice.

Mike D missed asking me a name as inspector last game because he slept through it, and he is considered an expert player. Due to how long this took to get started, I can see life happening to hakuna .

Post by roonectar on Nov 14, 2012 21:24:47 GMT -5

I still think we should just vote LLL she's definitely mafia and I'm going to guess hakunah if I'm whacked he is mafia linch him next and the game is over if its not then at least you got one in LLL. I was with the lets kill townie idea but I don't know, I think it's better to get rid of one now that I'm doomed anyway. If mafia do not whack me it would be the worst mafia move ever

Post by roonectar on Nov 14, 2012 21:31:35 GMT -5

We can vote on who my guess should be incase for some reason they do let me live. This could be a unified town actively fighting back against mafia tough guys trying to take our disco!! I just want to dance damn it!

Post by kikosanchez on Nov 14, 2012 23:04:29 GMT -5

The only way townies should get on board with this plan is if we keep the non-whacked (not necessarily the fake) inspector around as long as possible. The remaining "inspector" should keep telling us their guesses and this will help townies. If they mention a townie's name, then that person will know it's a lie.

All of this is concerning the possibility of mafia whacking itself. This is the perfect situation for mafia to control things and whack itself and let the remaining player finish the plan. Write it out on paper and you'll see how easily the mafia would win with this if they convince us to kill the actual inspector in round 2.

Post by LoveLuckLaughter on Nov 15, 2012 9:07:19 GMT -5

Roo. Why would you "guess" anyone but Hakuna at this point. If you are claiming I am Mafia, who ELSE would be the other Mafia? I just can't understand how no one else sees how so much of what you say seems feigned and Mafia-esque from the get go. Unbelievable.

I don't care which way you guys choose to go this runoff. I see each of your points. If I weren't 100% positive of Roo since I am the one being framed, I could rationalize voting me. However I just caution you that we only get one misstep. And I'm not sure the guesses or whacks will end up giving us a smoking gun. And then what?

I'm a townie being set up. Period. I was the easiest to set up. The votes stack up in a way and the two players looking like they were trying to set me up point to Roo and possible Jimmy as the other Mafia. The timing points to Roo being fake inspector. To me it all adds up.

Post by roonectar on Nov 15, 2012 10:10:04 GMT -5

I'm opening it up for discussion. I think this is a very interesting situation where the town can work with the inspector besides the inspector being on his own. Your (LLL) going to whack me at noon anyway so it doesn't matter who I guess. Hakunah faking inspector was just silly on his part with the real inspector still alive. There was a 50/50 chance I could of had his name. I didn't, I was given yours. If you had faked then I would have probably gone with it unless you targeted me in order to get my guess on your partner. But I totally commend you for continuously trying to smear my claim.

Post by quacker on Nov 15, 2012 11:53:13 GMT -5

The way I see it:If Roonectar is Inspector - LLL and Hakuna (This one is obvious and ends the game quickly)If Hakuna is Inspector - Roonectar and Viking

This is based on the way that Viking is steering the game with both hands on the wheel following today's vote. I know I'm a Townie so this conclusion is much easier for me to come to. I know that I will be suspicious too and there's not a hell of a lot I can do about that.