Not Born Yesterday wrote:Has there ever been a case where someone has been convicted without a body being found and then at a later date the supposed victim turns up?

THERE WAS A CASE IN CHARLES II TIME.SOMEONE WAS HANGED,THE VICTIM TURNED UP LATER,SAID HE HAD BEEN SOLD INTO SLAVERY?

I think there is a more recent one in the Dr Crippen case. The body found in the cellar, which was said to be Crippen's wife, is now thought to have been male. He said his wife had gone to the US and there appears to be good evidence that she had.

I have read that the wife sent a letter from the States to Winston Churchill (who was Home Secretary) at that time, he put it in his pocket and forgot about it. It would have cleared Crippen, who was hanged, and so it had to be hushed up to protect the Government. They recently took DNA from two of Cora Crippen's living relatives (an old lady of about 90 was one, I believe) and there was no match to the remains.

There was also evidence since unearthed that Dr Crippen performed abortions (which were illegal then) and that the body in the cellar could have been one of his "operations" gone wrong.

Hi fred, I don't know, it was a Press report posted on here a long time ago, can't' remember the name of the Paper , sorry.

Right so it might not be true, just more garbage from the pros? I can't see judge saying that tbh.

I don't think it was spin because the report said the Portugese Prosecutor asked a Judge if there was sufficient evidence to go to Trial and the Judgereplied "show me the Body", it may have been a Portugese Paper which printed it. Don't forget it was published the time the PJ asked for the phonecalls to be used and the Court Judge said it was too intrusive.

Hi fred, I don't know, it was a Press report posted on here a long time ago, can't' remember the name of the Paper , sorry.

Right so it might not be true, just more garbage from the pros? I can't see judge saying that tbh.

I would take most things read in a newpaper with a HUGE pinch of salt Fred.

The only thing I would trust is the date.

I am no good at finding stuff but do have quite a good memory and a kind Friend just sent me this link, from which you can see the Prosecutor had sent the Files to the Judge for his opinion. This is probably why Gerry was cock-ahoop with his "find the body and prove we killed her" remark.

Hi fred, I don't know, it was a Press report posted on here a long time ago, can't' remember the name of the Paper , sorry.

Right so it might not be true, just more garbage from the pros? I can't see judge saying that tbh.

I would take most things read in a newpaper with a HUGE pinch of salt Fred.

The only thing I would trust is the date.

I am no good at finding stuff but do have quite a good memory and a kind Friend just sent me this link, from which you can see the Prosecutor had sent the Files to the Judge for his opinion. This is probably why Gerry was cock-ahoop with his "find the body and prove we killed her" remark.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/5sep7/Express-13-09-07.htm

Nowhere in that article does it state that the judge said those words though... does it?

Panda, have you checked Amarals book for a reference to providing a body. I seem to recall reading something about it in relation to the prosecutor but not in a newspaper and not something stated by Gerry McCann. I have a feeling it might be Amaral who said it.

mossman wrote:Panda, have you checked Amarals book for a reference to providing a body. I seem to recall reading something about it in relation to the prosecutor but not in a newspaper and not something stated by Gerry McCann. I have a feeling it might be Amaral who said it.

There was a Daily Mail article where 'a source close to the McCanns,' was said to be quoting the McCanns as saying 'Find the body and prove we killed her.' I can 'see,' that page and where in the article that statement was, but the article has been edited.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________"You can run on for a long time, Run on for a long time, Run on for a long time, Sooner or later God'll cut you down." (Johnny Cash)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564011/Madeleine-McCann-police-must-find-her-body.htmlsnip:"One of Portugal's most senior prosecutors said it would be very difficult to secure a conviction without a body or a confession.A police source told Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas that it would be "almost impossible" for the district attorney to accuse anyone if the authorities do not find the missing girl."The PJ has received instructions from the district attorney's office to find Madeleine's body at all costs," the source continued."It is currently our great priority and operations are being worked on without success - finding the body is fundamental to solving the case."Antonio Cluny, president of Portugal's public prosecutor's service, said: "Without the little girl's body everything is extremely complicated."There have been cases in which it was possible to obtain a conviction without there being a victim but there were confessions."One cannot accuse a person of homicide without there being very strong evidence."

Hi fred, I don't know, it was a Press report posted on here a long time ago, can't' remember the name of the Paper , sorry.

Right so it might not be true, just more garbage from the pros? I can't see judge saying that tbh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

The position of the police was clarified on 16 August by Alípio Ribeiro, national director of the Polícia Judiciária, who said that although there was a strong hypothesis that Madeleine was dead, this could not be confirmed and the investigation was nowhere near a breakthrough.[3][131] António Cluny, president of Portugal's public prosecutor's service, said on 24 September that "Without the little girl's body everything is extremely complicated". He went on to stress that all options from abduction to Madeleine's death were still open

■ Madeleine "spotted in Spain", trumpets the Express – and too many years of false hopes, McCann pain and fragile yarns later we're back to the same canyon of despair, with Richard Desmond adding inverted commas to obsession. Maybe this time the spotting will be real rather than confection but, if not, just combine the two slogans jostling atop the Express masthead. "The world's greatest newspaper – 5p cheaper than the Daily Mail."

Fern, I believe the dogs therefore I would carry on walking. What would you do?

Would you really ?

So no matter how much the child resembled Madeleine, even if you saw the fleck in her eye, you would still simply turn a blind eye and walk on by based on YOUR opinion of the dogs ?

That is so very sad Autumn.

What fleck in her eye for Pete's sake? Even the McCanns are playing this down now. So just how close to you suggest a stranger should get to a child? Very close if they can peer into the child's eye. Think about the ideas you may be putting into people's heads before posting up irresponsible and potentially dangerous tips for the publc. This isn't a game of Where's Wally you know.

"Without the little girl's body everything is extremely complicated". He went on to stress that all options from abduction to Madeleine's death were still open

This statement really should have gone on to include:- Up to and including the possible involvement of Madeleine's parents. They have never been officially cleared, in complete contrast to the reports of the British media sucking up to Mitchell and his smoke and mirrors spin machine!

■ Madeleine "spotted in Spain", trumpets the Express – and too many years of false hopes, McCann pain and fragile yarns later we're back to the same canyon of despair, with Richard Desmond adding inverted commas to obsession. Maybe this time the spotting will be real rather than confection but, if not, just combine the two slogans jostling atop the Express masthead. "The world's greatest newspaper – 5p cheaper than the Daily Mail."

Thanks for this Annabel 5p cheaper than the Daily Mail? I must rush out and get one!!

malena stool wrote: "Without the little girl's body everything is extremely complicated". He went on to stress that all options from abduction to Madeleine's death were still open

This statement really should have gone on to include:- Up to and including the possible involvement of Madeleine's parents. They have never been officially cleared, in complete contrast to the reports of the British media sucking up to Mitchell and his smoke and mirrors spin machine!