why I'm against womens vote - that I wont simply answer due to intolerence of views here. lets stick to whole democracy vote is bad.
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No no, please, go ahead by all means. You've already lost all credibility by any.... well, lets set the bar high... semi-sane person's reckoning, so you don't have anything to lose by disclosing your reasoning. I'm quite curious at this point.

“A fool is not a person who does not know something. Rather, a fool is a person who is given information but who chooses to ignore what he is given based on how he wants things to be, rather than how things are."

It seems there are very few conservative Europeans these days. Is it just super Liberal over there in Europe? Are there any conservative parties who use fiscal responsibility in their decision making? Most of the things I see from European news outlets in general is a bunch of Liberal propaganda to scare / guilt trip people into thinking socialism is the answer and the ethical way to live life.

More and more government control, and less and less wise decision making, less freedoms for the people.

there is close to none liberal country in europe - I dont know if OP is from USA but if is answe is yes then, liberalism that originated in Europe is a something different than a form adopted in USA. theres also no conservatives in Europe per government

Europe, mostly is a swamp of socialism and European Union is a fascism at its best

everything started in XVIII century with masonic shattered faction of Great East of France that is responsible for Revolution and murder spree in France, then they realised idea of socialism in europe - whats the best way for that?

they allowed women to vote, they started to systematicelly forcing democracy, the worst system ever, but the best for corruption and controlling masses by giving idea of self importance in country course ( whoever believe that he can say anything about in his country is simply delusional ).

Socialism has a high tendency for beaurecracy so new working slots were created, women took em

then they were forcing homosexual rights to simply divide society, same as they did with obligatory education system, you "create" human mentality in the first 5 years, so they made pre schools, early school, you dont decide what is your child learning, oh no, in fact parent is pushed away, it is country who controls your little drooling monsters

and about homosexuals, because I dont want to be understood as "anti", homosexuals were in our societies for thousands of years, but in the last fifthy years it escalated to movement that in fact gains money from EU and private organisations. as far as I know theres no parade of men who can only make love with 3 women at the same time, theres no parade of men loving dildos in their anus and chain on nipples with attached freshly cut pork head. those "gay" parades are mostly sponsored by those who seek strife in society

and thanks to that so called gender studies, sponsored of cours, shows that there is about 10-15% of homosexuals among us, where in fact there is 0.5-1.5 max

it doesnt really matter who is who in your country, you simply dont have any control, how many properly intelligent people you can find in society -2-3% ? democracy is for those people, studies shows that 68% dont understand news in tv/papers.

europeans are mostly socialists, cattle that want to be steered, eat that, fish that many fish, do that and that, if you are useless then we gonna give you money, after all we are in civilised world where jobless losers who dont want to wave a finger can live and be happy

Oh, I know how you feel entirely. I work in pharmacy.. and every once in a while I'll have someone come in, turn in their prescription, and then decide they can't afford it because their insurance company won't cover the medication, or even because the copay is too high on it. Its distressing when finances are an obstacle to health and well being.

Hey Kas do you mind going into detail what healthcare is like in Russia? Most of my knowledge of Russian infrastructure is tainted by the leftovers of US Cold War conspiracies. >_>

Sweden's central government debt meanwhile stood at 1,108 billion kronor at the end of 2011, which corresponds to 32 percent of the non-euro-member's gross domestic product (GDP), far below the 60-percent level allowed within the eurozone.

This year

Sweden's central government payments showed a surplus of SEK 11.1 billion in August, which was SEK 9.7 billion lower than the government estimate, figures from the National Debt Office showed Friday.

The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

of course, our children thanks to forced education and selective knowledge. we are milked, a common folk is simply getting addicted, hmm wrong word, umm lose his independence for the sake of EU. they are making totally absurd laws that can be explained throu taxaion and money process: just look at poor snails

snail due european definition is a land fish, and many many more

yes, lords, not literally, not all of them at least, but of course there are those quasi masons even in birthplace of true freemasonery. look at current president of France, "mason", previous "mason", previous "mason", it is widely know, bah its a public knowledge that during visit from Great East President of France adressed his masonic guests by telling them that it is their ministry, I dont exactly remember now this whole situation. But when you analyze whole history and influence of Grant Orient de France then you gonna see how many things are connected together and it is certainly not a coincidence. Great East is a quasi masonery that seeks political influence, it is opposite to ideals of freemasonery, same with allowing women to join ranks, they can be atheists, well in one word, Greast East is a socialist organisation. problem with society is that people gonna brand me as tinfoilhatter or other words, and I dont even imagine to change their opinions, but in this topic we speak about what we think about europeans and liberalism so I said what I thought.

Seems like you are just angry because freemasons oppose monarchy. There is hardly any brainwashing in school towards being pro or anti EU.

Hey Kas do you mind going into detail what healthcare is like in Russia? Most of my knowledge of Russian infrastructure is tainted by the leftovers of US Cold War conspiracies. >_>

Eh.. there are plenty of fine points of course... but in general it follows similar models to other European nations. One area of key difference is compensation; even heart surgeons have horrible wages compared to their American counterparts. The government will pay for them to do, lets say.. 5 surgeries in a given time period, and that's it. They work through the queue of people who need heart surgery, with the order changing in cases of severe need, but ultimately if its near the end of the month and all of the surgeons have done their quota, and you need surgery right now, you're out of luck. The primary compensation comes from individual payments directly to the surgeon/institute, which is considerably more profitable for the health care professional than the government subsidized care and is done outside of the waiting list. The only thing is, those prices are a bit high to compensate for the low government pay, so if you need surgery at a bad time or are far down on the list, and you don't have the finances, you're out of luck.

But another thing to remember is that we have a massive amount of problems in a number of areas. For example, its hard to maintain a hospital in the middle of Siberia away from all civilization apart from a cluster of nearby towns at the same level of sterility and efficiency as one in the middle of Moscow. There are also higher health problems overall, alcoholism, depression, heart issues, chronic stress... a number of things that throw a lot of complications in. And there are a lot of things that are a blowback to Soviet times, of course. I could go on and on into a number of issues, from the mentality of professionals in patient treatment to the effects of low income to public image of the health care system, but ultimately it would be a massive discourse for me to write out in its entirety.

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“A fool is not a person who does not know something. Rather, a fool is a person who is given information but who chooses to ignore what he is given based on how he wants things to be, rather than how things are."