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McNabb to Redskins: How the trade was made

While the Eagles made no secret of the fact that Donovan McNabb was on the market, it was a surprise to many this weekend that the Redskins were involved in the discussions.

So how exactly did this all go down?

The Redskins' new regime keeps its cards pretty close to the chest, and hopefully we learn more details at Tuesday's news conference. But here's what we believe right now:

About half the teams in the league contacted the Eagles in the weeks after the regular season ended to inquire about McNabb's availability and find out what it might take to acquire him. The Redskins were among these teams, but they weren't considered a serious contender then.

At some point, the Redskins floated the possibility of shipping either defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth or safety LaRon Landry to the Eagles, but Philadelphia wasn't interested. Moving Haynesworth would've been complicated given the money involved, but Philadelphia showed so little interest that the two sides never discussed dollars.

The Redskins didn't seem to be serious suitors until late last week. The Raiders had emerged as front-runners, but it became clear McNabb didn't want to go to Oakland. According to Yahoo, he told some associates that he'd retire before wearing a Raiders jersey. With McNabb holding his ground, the Redskins likely saw an opportunity and jumped back in the hunt. At the same time, the Eagles likely saw that their best option was going to be the Redskins and they re-opened discussions.

McNabb might've approved of Minnesota or Arizona, where he makes his offseason home, but he let Philadelphia management know that he preferred Washington as a landing spot.

McNabb's camp wasn't certain how serious the Redskins' interest was last week, and many were surprised by how quickly talks escalated over the weekend. Once the Redskins agreed to throw in a 2011 pick, in addition to this year's second-rounder, Washington became a front-runner Saturday and the Eagles decided they had a deal they couldn't pass up.

The impact of this note is moot now that the Redskins have acquired McNabb, but I find it an interesting sign of an intelligent fan base. The Washington Post asked its readers last week if they favored the Redskins moving up in the draft to acquire the draft rights to Oklahoma quarterback Bradford.

In most cases, fans of teams without a certain quarterback of the future would jump at the chance to take a kid who is a legitimate franchise quarterback prospect. That's why the result of this poll surprised me. Post readers, 25,330 of them as of this weekend, were 57 percent against, 42 percent in favor. (Don't ask me why it doesn't add up to 100 percent; I'm just reading off the paper's Web site.)

Those are some mature readers who know their football, readers who are tired of an aging, leaky offensive line getting passer Jason Campbell chased all over the field. Not that GM Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are going to pay attention to the poll, but it's interesting that a solid majority of a team's fans would rather have a tackle many of them have never heard of than a quarterback who might be a longtime Pro Bowler.

It's about making the defense respect your offense. When you don't have a QB who can make plays, the opposing defense stacks the box.

Posted by: Vicc

And the defenses respected our OL how? By running past them time after time. Campbell probably led the league in getting hit by guys who came in untouched. I can't ever recall a season where a QB took so many hits from guys who weren't blocked at all. We had about the 4th worst yards per carry in the league, so it wasn't like the defense needed to stack the box to stop the run.

Dump offs are important passes. Heck, McNabb got a win over us when he dumped one off to Westbrook who went 60 yards with it for the game winning TD.

I just checked, the iggle QBs (mostly Donovan) completed 80 passes last year to their RBs, mccoy, westbrook and weaver -- roughly 1/4 of all their completions.

A few key differences between McNabb and Campbell are the ability to make quick decisions and accurately throw the deep pass...

Campbell is still a restricted free agent who has received a 1st round tender from the Skins. The only reason to trade him is if decent value can be obtained -- at least a 2nd or packaged for an OT -- otherwise, I assume he would still be retained as the backup QB.

And the defenses respected our OL how? By running past them time after time. Campbell probably led the league in getting hit by guys who came in untouched. I can't ever recall a season where a QB took so many hits from guys who weren't blocked at all. We had about the 4th worst yards per carry in the league, so it wasn't like the defense needed to stack the box to stop the run.

Dump offs are important passes. Heck, McNabb got a win over us when he dumped one off to Westbrook who went 60 yards with it for the game winning TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 2:22 PM

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Why would an opposing defense play deep when Campbell is gonna throw a checkdown and Chris Cooley is streaking across the middle for what looks like a TD!

It's almost to the point where I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't draft an O-linemen just so I can prove my point that a QB can post a winning record without a solid O-line.

Even Cutler led the bears to a 9-7 record with a less talented offense and defense. Sheesh, Orlando Pace was their starting LT. Matt Forte was banged up and I can't even name their starting WRs. Urlacher out for the year, + playing in a more difficult division, yet Cutler still pulled out 9 wins

Trade between divisions = Us watching the eagles draft an effective weapon that kicks our butts twice a year. There is a guy they drafted in the second round a couple of years ago - whats his name - 'something' Jackson? I think he was the 49th pick after we picked another guy from a school in California. Anyway, this Jackson dude is about Twice as valuable as our WR core combined. We just gave a smart franchise the 37th pick.

This isnt win now, its Never win.

And working out the money for Haynesworth would have been imposible, other franchises are not as retarded as we are. yet Ill be sleeping wrapped in my burg and gold blankie hoping it can dry away the tears and take the pain away.

RedSkinHead -- really? Did you read my post? I didn't say this was all for PR and to invigorate the fans, but it certainly is part of it. Danny Boy is great at creating excitment for the Skins. Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Deon Sanders, Bruce Smith, Joe Gibbs, Mike Shanahan. He is a master of fooling, stupid... fuc^ing really stupid fans, like you Redskinhead, into thinking we are close. That 1 player will make this team a playoff team and a superbowl contender... when in reality, its not true.

My point is that Mcnabb is not the answer for this team. He will enable us to continue our 8-8 run and be a running joke around the NFL and other teams fan bases... but you go ahead and act superior and intelligent because you think, a 33 year old inaccuate QB whose talent is on the decline is going to save the franchise.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 12:54 PM
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I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

1) It's clear from this that the Skins are open to moving LaRon Landry. I hope they can find another suitor b/c I think he can fetch back a 2nd rounder.

2) I'd like to hear from Shanny what the seemingly abrupt change of heart was. Why we went from "inquiry" to "serious suitor" so quickly. Bascially, I guess I'd like to know - WHAT THE FREAKIN' PLAN IS NOW!?!

Trade between divisions = Us watching the eagles draft an effective weapon that kicks our butts twice a year. There is a guy they drafted in the second round a couple of years ago - whats his name - 'something' Jackson? I think he was the 49th pick after we picked another guy from a school in California. Anyway, this Jackson dude is about Twice as valuable as our WR core combined. We just gave a smart franchise the 37th pick.

This isnt win now, its Never win.

And working out the money for Haynesworth would have been imposible, other franchises are not as retarded as we are. yet Ill be sleeping wrapped in my burg and gold blankie hoping it can dry away the tears and take the pain away.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

So stop being a Redskin fan...there are 31 "smarter" teams.....so if the skins are really dumb....how stupid are you to choose to be a fan of the dumbest team? Just sayin

2 DRAFT PICKS for an aging QB that might last a year or two - dealing away our future...BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!

Splashy signings of aging veterans. George Allen all over again.

Posted by: charley42

I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING...SNYDER IS STILL IN CHARGE! THIS IS HIS DOING! SIGN AN OVER THE HILL GUY- GIVE AWAY TWO GREAT DRAFT PICKS AND SHANALLEN LOOKS LIKE THEY PULLED THE TRIGGER. CLOSE CHARLEY.....

man i got high last night...I was really messed up...i actually thought the eagles were dumb enough to send the Skins not only their franchise QB but there playbook in his brain!

that was some good stuff

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

The Skins know their playbook. We've been watching it and playing against it for 11 years and haven't been able to stop it. Andy Reid could fax us the frickin' playbook and it wouldn't matter. We don't need to know the plays they are running. We need talented players and capable coaches who can assemble a playbook of their own.

2) I'd like to hear from Shanny what the seemingly abrupt change of heart was. Why we went from "inquiry" to "serious suitor" so quickly. Bascially, I guess I'd like to know - WHAT THE FREAKIN' PLAN IS NOW!?!

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 2:33 PM
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Maybe they accelerated the talks because they got a trade offer they couldn't refuse for Campbell...

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

It's too early to say exactly what McNabb will do in Washington, but as one of the league's most recognizable players, his plate was pretty full in Philadelphia. He runs a free football clinic each June, participates in a Thanksgiving event, holds a holiday party for children in December. He also partnered with the city's department of education and has worked for many years with the American Diabetes Association.

By Rick Maese | April 5, 2010; 2:00 PM ET

Does he do any work with the elderly at assisted living facilities? It would be nice if he could stop by and autograph Diesel44's scooter. I bet it would give the grumpy old guy a big lift.

2 DRAFT PICKS for an aging QB that might last a year or two - dealing away our future...BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!

Splashy signings of aging veterans. George Allen all over again.

Posted by: charley42

I THINK WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING...SNYDER IS STILL IN CHARGE! THIS IS HIS DOING! SIGN AN OVER THE HILL GUY- GIVE AWAY TWO GREAT DRAFT PICKS AND SHANALLEN LOOKS LIKE THEY PULLED THE TRIGGER. CLOSE CHARLEY.....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"aging QB" so at 33 he is too old....

Let's take a history look shall we?

Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners...

(not even counting QBs like Joe Theismann who lost a super bowl at age 34 or the countless NFC/AFC Championship games which featured over 30 QBs like Brett Favre, Steve Deburg, Jim Kelly and Warner who lost the SB at age 37)

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

and when/if he corrects those the bears might actually get to 9-10 wins. Think about it pabrian2003. Jay Cutler had a terrible O-line, WRs and a banged up RB. Using your own argument against you, can you imagine how good the Bears could be if they actually provided Jay Cutler with an O-line, some WR weapons and a better defense?

I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM

And what is your point? People are saying that this is a good trade. That it improves our team, improving our team is only good if it helps us towards our GOAL OF WINNING THE SUPERBOWL. Because that is why teams play the game right? To win the superbowl?? Not to be .500. Not to make the playoffs. So, please enlighten me as to how this brings us closer to a superbowl?

We have a starting QB, who is 33, aging, injury prone and pretty inaccurate... on a team without even a mediocre oline... without a decent RB... and without even a real #2 wr. A team whose defense is made up of a diva who takes 50% of the plays off. A safety who cannot cover and does not understand how to form tackle. 2 corners who simply cannot stay in front of opposing teams wrs.... and 3 linebackers who do not fit the new system we are implementing in the 3-4....

Yes, we have a QB. No, we do not have a superbowl caliber team...and trading away 2 picks inhibits us from acquiring the talent necessary to become a superbowl caliber team....

My heads up my asz? Come on now son... say something relevant instead of just trying to insult me. Bring something to the table and stop simply talking about my handle.... ok my name is peoplearestupid.... and you my fried only seem to enforce my point.

"Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners..."

the list of QBs who got traded away at 33 and did nothing for the rest of their careers is three times as long. If McNabb were capable of winning the big one do you think Philly would give one thought to trading him?

Yet everyone knew he was on the trading block since the end of the season... and they trade him within the division...

So you are telling everyone that Philly knows less about McNabb's ability than we do?

The Eagles have a roster that is a already a playoff contender and superior to ours and this pick gives them another resource to widen the gap. They have also stockpiled top 150 picks. I’m afraid we will be looking up at the Eagles in the standings for the foreseeable future. This is how you build a perennial contender, via the draft.

I like how you say I act superior and intelligent when your handle is "peoplearestupid", but then again, you should understand a condescending missive when you read one, right? BTW, did Shanny or anyone in the Redskins org say we were heading to the Superbowl this year because of the McNabb signing? Did I say that? YOU said this puts us farther away from a Superbowl rather than closer and I called you out on that statement. McNabb is a better QB than Campbell and chances are the picks traded were not going to draft a franchise quarterback, so totally disagreed with your statement. You seem to not be hearing what we're saying here on the blog. Maybe it's because you have your head so far up your keister that your ears are covered.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:30 PM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse
--------------------------------------------- You are definetly one of those stupid people. What he is trying to say, the redskins always try to do it in one year. It has never worked, it will never work!! Remember the Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders, Jeff George, etc... off season. Boy those were good times. Real teams do it through the draft like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots!! We are stupid enough to make these same mistakes year after year leaving all the good players in the draft for other teams to get. So yeah you thinking that this trade is a good one and that is could finally be the one, makes you stupid. We could have done alot better this offseason. I Feel we moved backward once again.

"Here are the ages of the QBs who have won a super bowl at the age of 30 and over...these are just the winners..."

the list of QBs who got traded away at 33 and did nothing for the rest of their careers is three times as long. If McNabb were capable of winning the big one do you think Philly would give one thought to trading him?

Yet everyone knew he was on the trading block since the end of the season... and they trade him within the division...

So you are telling everyone that Philly knows less about McNabb's ability than we do?

we did not give a ridiculous contract to an aging QB. We traded a potential NFL player for a legit nfl player, at the most important position in the league.

You can say we want established vets over young unprovens, which is marginally supported by the deal for mcnabb.

But most people I hear see this as a steal from the eagles. Not the hand wringing our fans are apt to do.

I would say we are just not rebuilding. A lot of people said get o line with both picks in the first two rounds, so JC would have been the starter.

McNabb is better than JC, that is simple. Now we gave up one oline future potential pick/player to take care of a position we all thought we would need to draft high on in the next 2 years, say 1st or 2nd rounds of either this years draft or next years draft.

Now we can take Pike at 4 or some other serious project QB (maybe even Brennan as CC47 suggested) next years draft that can learn behind him.

DM feels no pressure from behind since he knows the kid is a project, and the kid has time to learn.

One thing I always expected was that shanny was not content with going 4-12 again this season. This just confirms that.

You are definetly one of those stupid people. What he is trying to say, the redskins always try to do it in one year. It has never worked, it will never work!! Remember the Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders, Jeff George, etc... off season. Boy those were good times. Real teams do it through the draft like the Eagles, Steelers, Patriots!! We are stupid enough to make these same mistakes year after year leaving all the good players in the draft for other teams to get. So yeah you thinking that this trade is a good one and that is could finally be the one, makes you stupid. We could have done alot better this offseason. I Feel we moved backward once again.

So what! They still sucks! Their best weapon is now with us and JC is not going anywhere; remember Shanny promised competition at every level, we have seen the talent at the RB position, now we are looking at the QB. It's still an open competition, but I think McNabb will start.

Nice post, leevi! I like when you use facts. I would like to point out, however, that the overwhelming majority of QBs on your list had many years of stability with the same team and same coach.

McNabb had 11 years with the same team and coach. If he stayed in Philly, he might have continued to be productive for 10 or 11 games a year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes you are right...some did...but some didn't...some of those had only been with their coach a short time...Elway...JT to name two..

like I said..I'm not saying we are going to the superbowl...just pointing out a QB as good as McNabb is not washed up at 33....

Sure is funny how Mcnabb has the same story as Elway did...they even tried to trade Elway at one point! Elway was also labeled as over the hill..washed up and can't win the big one...the Shanny came in and at 37 and 38 he got his ring....

The game is much faster now, players dont smoke cuban cigars on the sidelines anymore and the recent ones had good O-lines and so did the older ones. We have no oline and a qb that is not accurate at all unless someone is WIDE open. So yeah your an idiot!!

we did not give a ridiculous contract to an aging QB. We traded a potential NFL player for a legit nfl player, at the most important position in the league.

You can say we want established vets over young unprovens, which is marginally supported by the deal for mcnabb.

But most people I hear see this as a steal from the eagles. Not the hand wringing our fans are apt to do.

I would say we are just not rebuilding. A lot of people said get o line with both picks in the first two rounds, so JC would have been the starter.

McNabb is better than JC, that is simple. Now we gave up one oline future potential pick/player to take care of a position we all thought we would need to draft high on in the next 2 years, say 1st or 2nd rounds of either this years draft or next years draft.

Now we can take Pike at 4 or some other serious project QB (maybe even Brennan as CC47 suggested) next years draft that can learn behind him.

DM feels no pressure from behind since he knows the kid is a project, and the kid has time to learn.

One thing I always expected was that shanny was not content with going 4-12 again this season. This just confirms that.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

How can you say we are not in "win-now" mode when we just traded away 2 high draft picks for a 33-year old QB who himself is in "win-now" mode?

Mcnabb's big extension is right around the corner. Just watch. And if it's not, then it makes this move even more stupid b/c we basically would have given up 2 good picks for a 1 year rental in a rebuilding season.

The only way to salvage this move and say it's not "win-now" is if we can ship out guys like Landry, Rogers and Campbell and recoup some picks.

Then you can make the argument that when it's all said and done, we got a 2-3 year upgrade at QB without mortgaging the future.

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team. Someone please tell me how this trade does anything to make us a title contender? Please tell me, if were not contending, what the point of this trade is? Trading picks for a player Mcnabbs age should only happen when you are close to contending, otherwise you take those picks and use them to try to infuse the team with young, hungry talent...

I'm honestly waiting for someone to tell me how this makes us a contending team? And if it doesn't why did we make the trade?

The Haynesworth story is just getting started
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 5, 2010 2:36 PM ET
We only have a few more days to milk the Donovan McNabb trade aftermath, but PFT has come up with some exciting non-Draft programming for the next few weeks.

We call it: Who wants Albert Haynesworth?

One of the biggest signings in free agency was offered to the Eagles, and NFL Network's Jason La Canfora expects the Redskins to continue to try to deal him. The connection to the Eagles wasn't the only time PFT has heard a rumor of Haynesworth's availability this offseason.

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

You've got plenty of Years over me in regards to being a skins fan. In fact I wasnt even born till '82.

I can afford season tickets and Im happy if I get in the nose bleed section for a non conference game every 3 years.

I have never been to the superbowl and the only skins away games ive been to have been in Philly (where I currently live) and endure bashings on a daily basis during the season.

I do love every player that puts the Jersey on and plays with heart, dignity and a passion for the game regardless of how they were acquired.

But if I spent half as much money on the team (that is still valued in the top 5 $$ wise) as you have and do, I would not be satisfied with the way the team has ben run and continues to be run. See, DC sports mean something to DC area citizens. Not always the same thing, but its more than nothing. When the team (not the players who represent it but the owners/management that do) consistently make moves that PROVE not to be working, I as a fan that bleeds B & G, tends to get frustrated with the people making the calls. Im glad your commitment to the skins extends financially, but arent you sick of the way they have done things.

When you left Fedex Field in December after the shut out Dallas game knowing we were going to lose to San Diego - but praying we would pull out a win and be 5 - 11 - Didnt you wish things were different?

Remind me what Einstein's definition of insanity is.

Posted by: Skinalicious | April 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:03 PM

If this trade did all that, I'm a supporter. I'm just afraid that we're giving up too much in a draft that's supposed to be deep with OL, when we've got 1 or 2 legit starters on our OL right now. Our running back cadre is suspect. I don't see 8 or 9 wins with our O-line in the condition it's in now.

Philly may have done us a favor declining Haynesworth and LL. Those players are both young and have gas in the tank!

There is none....Eagles will be irrelevant for atleast the next 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And so will we.

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Would that it were so . . . I would love for this team to go back to a George Allen-era level of success. They made the SB in 1972 and made the playoffs pretty much every year of the 70s with a division title or two thrown in, if memory serves me correctly.

My heads up my asz? Come on now son... say something relevant instead of just trying to insult me. Bring something to the table and stop simply talking about my handle.... ok my name is peoplearestupid.... and you my fried only seem to enforce my point.

I would just advise everyone to ignore this guy instead of indulging him. He appears to be a self-absorbed know-it-all who doesn't know nearly as much about football as he (or she) thinks. To your points:

- Devin Thomas was coming around last year, and I think it's a safe bet that either he or MK will be a viable receiving threat (which means that they will consistently run precise routes, obtain separation, catch the ball, and gain some yards after catch, for people who don't know)
- In my opinion, it's pretty likely that at least one of our trio of aging RBs - I think CP - will have enough legs left to produce an effective running game if his carries can be reduced slightly.
- Stats will show (RI and Hogs Haven have both written about it; I'm not going to waste more time by finding the links) that AH didn't take nearly as many plays off as accused him of last year. And he was very dominant a good bit of the time. Do you think Andre Carter had a career year and Orakpo set the Redskins rookie sack record for no reason?
- LL isn't really a free safety, and was drafted to be a strong safety. It's likely that playing him at strong with ______ at free would improve his performance. BTW, do you know how to form tackle???
- Don't underestimate London Fletcher simply b/c you've read some profiles on the internet about the "prototypical" MLB. He's a legit talent and will succeed.
- Our corners are a concern, but I believe that CR has pretty decent cover skills but had a bad year for a number of reasons. He's good enough to keep around and start for a while.

Bottom line is that this trade is good for the Redskins and isn't nearly as bad as what you seem to think. Giving up one little #2 this year and a #3/#4 next year is a small price to pay for a legit top-flight QB who can step in a play at a high level immediately for the next three years or so(assuming he remains upright - hello, Russell Okung). it's what half the people on RI have screamed about for years.

And yes, your screen name is absolutely stupid and reflects poorly on you and your character.

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

i disagree with it being the same ol same ol...they have not over paid for anyone in FA like in years past.....losing the 37th pick is not going to make or break the team...sorry don't agree with that at all

The Washington Post asked its readers last week if they favored the Redskins moving up in the draft to acquire the draft rights to Oklahoma quarterback Bradford.
In most cases, fans of teams without a certain quarterback of the future would jump at the chance to take a kid who is a legitimate franchise quarterback prospect. That's why the result of this poll surprised me. Post readers, 25,330 of them as of this weekend, were 57 percent against, 42 percent in favor.
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Yes it is moot but the reason is why move up to grab Bradford when the Skins could of stayed pat and drafted Clausen.. getting the franchise QB they needed and keeping their other draft picks.. Now of course the Skins won't draft a QB of the future but since McNabb is good for what 2 years, best hope.. and yeah maybe somewhat of a long shot is Colt Brennan really impresses in camp.. maybe moves up to 2nd string.. and after McNabb can become the franchise QB. Otherwise in 2012.. were back to see who we can draft that year...

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

No, because McNabb will still be playing well at 35 and Shanny will have identified our QB of the future by then.

Funny thing is...most against this trade seems to point to the 37th pick and 3rd or 4th next year as so crucial.

Then they turn around and say...we are not one player away from success...

Well you can't claim both ways....

If they are not one or 2 players away from success...then the 37th pick and 3rd or 4th next year (which I believe they will get back both at some point) are not as important as they claim...catch 22 and a complete contradiction.

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

How can you say we are not in "win-now" mode when we just traded away 2 high draft picks for a 33-year old QB who himself is in "win-now" mode?

Mcnabb's big extension is right around the corner. Just watch. And if it's not, then it makes this move even more stupid b/c we basically would have given up 2 good picks for a 1 year rental in a rebuilding season.

The only way to salvage this move and say it's not "win-now" is if we can ship out guys like Landry, Rogers and Campbell and recoup some picks.

Then you can make the argument that when it's all said and done, we got a 2-3 year upgrade at QB without mortgaging the future.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

2 high draft picks? I mean a third is questionable, especially depending upon where we end up; a 4th is not a high draft pick.

Who cares what the QB's mind frame is. He wants to win, and is a leader and knows the offense.

At some point you have to figure that is better than a rook QB who could be a bust or JC who has endured so much.

And I expect them to recoup picks... but that is for people who can see the future. I am focusing on what I see in front of me.

So basically, I am saying why cry now when you dont know what is going on in the next coming weeks.

The first snap is a half year away. There is plenty time for other things.

Based upon face value, we got a potential HOF QB who is NOT past his prime, despite any argument to the contrary that others use to make their point, for a 2nd round draft pick... from a divisional foe.

"Before I get into the number of ways the Donovan McNabb deal will change personnel decisions around the NFL draft, one problematic trend continues: The Redskins simply do not have a lot of regard for draft choices.

How else can you put it? Just take that statement for what it is. It's not downplaying what kind of impact a player like McNabb can make in Mike Shanahan's system. It's simply a fact that aside from their No. 4 pick, the Skins have largely traded out of this draft. They now don't have any other picks within the top 100, and with the current crop of talent, that No. 37 pick the Eagles just picked up is practically a first-rounder. The McNabb pick-up may become a great success story in Washington, but the organization -- regardless of who has been in charge under Dan Snyder -- keeps kicking draft choices to the curb, and the roster has and will suffer. It's nice to pick up great players, but it's not the way to build a great team. You simply have to emphasize the draft." -ESPN

There is none....Eagles will be irrelevant for atleast the next 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And so will we.

And 2 years from now when the Eagles are hitting their stride for another decade of playoff appearances, we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering what to do post-McNabb and lamenting our roster's dearth of fresh young talent ready to hit it's prime.

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM

It's like people become football illiterate from the last 11 years and actually think that trading away picks for aging potential HOF's is the best way to build a team. I guess they don't remember Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Jason Taylor.

The Eagles have 8 picks in the top 150 and we just added to that by making the same move that has plagued his for the last decade.

When I first saw that the eagles were looking to trade Mcnabb, I couldn't wait to throw it in eagles fans faces. They never realized his value to THIER football team. I personally don't think the eagles will win more than 6 games this year they have gotten rid of to many people that were leaders(like Dawkins, westbrook, mcnabb)

But I saw Mcnabb to the skins my stomach sank. Is this still the same dysfunctional redskins? A team still ignoring there biggest needs? And How was I going to mock eagle fans if mcnabb is over the hill? You can see my dilema.

The verdict. If we can get a third or a second for JC = good trade. Or keep jc for backup and somhow trade down or get lucky pickin up other teams castoffs that are actually good and draft Okung.
Prediction. Not having to throw the ball on 80% of the snaps makes mcnabb an even better qb than he ever has been and the skins are competing for the playoffs which no matter how you slice it is better than the debacle that was last year.

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

First off...you just gave credit as a great QB to an unproven QB who had two starts and played well against the Saints and lost and then the chiefs and won. He has a lot to prove and is far from ready...there will be growing pains for sure...can he go 16 games at that level? can he stay healthy?

As far as Jackson...let's see how well and a threat he is without McNabb throwing to him....

The RB is also not a proven guy either...can he go 16 games and carry the load....can he stay healthy?

I understand...but I am just not into worrying about that....i am a fan because it gives me pleasure...fun to hang out and tail gate with so many friends etc....Life is too short to let things like football make you upset or angry over things you cannot control :)

HAIL NATION

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Thats funny - my wife says that too. Maybe I do take it too seriously, but how can one person measure the impact the Saints have had in LA and the surrounding states.

See it might just be sports, but the role can be more than just entertainment. It can be religious. As a V-Tech grad, the hookies arent just my school, they give me and hundreds of thousands of people something to believe in.

Tailgating and having fun is great, but the community, the friends part, the bond = priceless.

I dont like the Dmac trade because I believe in JC and I dont like giving up picks.

Im also dissatisfied with how the signal callers have been treated by management. Ramsey had a horrible line, but im still convinced he could have been a good QB here. JC has a horrible line, and management has devalued him, but he has done more than Brunnel, both Johnson's, Matthews, Wuerffel ,T-beck, and collins were ever able to do in DC. He's started for 3 years. Yeah I pray that our Dmac situation can end up like the Vikes brett situation. I would love that Kind of action, but if it doesnt and it results in the same ol, then im about ready for us to draft some people so that my daughter can grow up a fan of a proud winning franchise. Not a franchise that won a couple more games.

When I first saw that the eagles were looking to trade Mcnabb, I couldn't wait to throw it in eagles fans faces. They never realized his value to THIER football team. I personally don't think the eagles will win more than 6 games this year they have gotten rid of to many people that were leaders(like Dawkins, westbrook, mcnabb)

But I saw Mcnabb to the skins my stomach sank. Is this still the same dysfunctional redskins? A team still ignoring there biggest needs? And How was I going to mock eagle fans if mcnabb is over the hill? You can see my dilema.

The verdict. If we can get a third or a second for JC = good trade. Or keep jc for backup and somhow trade down or get lucky pickin up other teams castoffs that are actually good and draft Okung.
Prediction. Not having to throw the ball on 80% of the snaps makes mcnabb an even better qb than he ever has been and the skins are competing for the playoffs which no matter how you slice it is better than the debacle that was last year.

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

QB was one of their biggest needs along with o line......gosh why can't anyone let this play out and say mcnabb...ok now we need o line...so lets see what they do next...let it play out before you hate and judge

It's like people become football illiterate from the last 11 years and actually think that trading away picks for aging potential HOF's is the best way to build a team. I guess they don't remember Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, or Jason Taylor.

The Eagles have 8 picks in the top 150 and we just added to that by making the same move that has plagued his for the last decade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 3:27 PM

Diesel, today we have one less pick this year than we had to start the day yesterday, but have upgraded the QB position. Good chance that we pick up a few more picks between now and the draft.

All I am saying is let's give BA/MS's plan a chance before we start running to the ledge about the future of this team. This is not DS/VC's plan, but BA/MS's plan.

For years we complained that we want FB people running the show. Now we have that and we are still complaining?

You realize they have more talent on their offense than we have on our entire team? Jackson, Maclin Avant, Mccoy, Celek, a decent Oline will all be more than enough to give Kolb the support he needs to play decently. Their defense had a tough year last year but their MLB is back from the IR and all the players have another year of experience.

Adding to that is the fact that they have draft picks and have proven that they are good at finding talent through the draft. Seeing as all of their stars in the past, Dawkins, Mcnabb, Westbrook, evne now Jackson, Mikel (their SS for those who dont know) Avant, Mccoy, Kolb are all drafted BY THEM....

The eagles are not going anywhere, they are only going to get better from this trade. Skins, only going to stay mediocre as we haven't added any real young talent to this team in years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:23 PM

Only time will tell.....But I don't buy it....

They only made this move because too many people read some remark made by ALbert Einstein.

Was Einstein even alive to watch Football??!!? If he was, he would have told the Eagles they are idiots for applying the 'same' logic here....

i disagree with it being the same ol same ol...they have not over paid for anyone in FA like in years past.....losing the 37th pick is not going to make or break the team...sorry don't agree with that at all

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 3:18 PM
------------------------------------------We can agree to disagree, Im just so ready for the skins to start building with young talent. We need more than a 3 year starter who might get us to the playoffs once. If i remember correctly we beat the Eagles twice the year before last with Zorn at wheel. So i dont buy into McNaab being that great, I buy into the fact that Philly was a good fit and a good team. I believe we are neither. Dont get me wrong i want us to be. Just dont see it. Is it wrong to ask for us to just have all seven picks in the draft for once. Even if they didnt overpay, we have no picks, and just bc you love the skins no matter who they f*uck on you with. Doesnt mean i cant think they are making all the same idiotic mistakes! Learn from your mistakes Danny, this isnt Six Flags Fuco!

skinsfan713- how does my handle reflect poorly on me? I think people are stupid. If you read a number of comments up here, you have to agree. Even outside of this blog, I feel people are stupid.... it does not reflect my personality just my belief that the average person is stupid...

Moving onto your arguments (and leaving my handle aside... since you bring it up everytime you post...) While I agree that Devin Thomas made strides, he also continued to show inconsistencies. I do not disagree that he has talent, but he is a knucklehead who many teammates have called out for acting immature over the last 2 years. My point isn't that he cannot improve, its just that it is risky to simply assume he will take the next step. He has shown just as much immaturity as he has improvement and it is tough to gauge how he will handle being our primary KR and most likely our starting flanker wr.

As to Malcom Kelly. I feel he has more talent than any wr on our team, yet even with an entire year focused on running better routes, he was still unable to produce proper, crisp routes and was unable to consistently get open. Again, he has the talent, but his INCONSISTENT results make me hessitent to simply state that he will bust out and become consistent.

ALbert, was yes a huge upgrade for our team. However, he spent as much time on the bench/ "being injured" and sucking oxygen as he did dominating. I do not deny what he did for us, but I do feel that he came in out of shape and was not nearly worth the 48 mil hes going to receive over the 4 years of his contract...

LL- I am actually a supporter of him. I feel he has all the talent in the world. Yes, I do understand how to form tackle. Wrap up, head up, drive through the player... however LL seems to always go for the big hit and as many people have said he struggled INSIDE THE BOX last year as well.. He's still young, but again inconsistent... theres a theme here...

CP- hmm Im not getting into the RBs on this team because its a waste of time.

Then we come to LONDON... Fletcher is awesome. I love him. He is a great ILB. All heart, drive, desire, talent. However, in a 3-4, the MLBs job is to take on guards, all 340 pounds of them, shed that and make the play. For a LB who is all of 5'10, it is difficult to do that. I am saying he is illconceived for a 3-4 scheme. It will be difficult for him to adjust. Can he do it? I dont know, but i do know he will put everything he has into it... that being said, it will be hard for him...

QB was one of their biggest needs along with o line......gosh why can't anyone let this play out and say mcnabb...ok now we need o line...so lets see what they do next...let it play out before you hate and judge

I do not see how this trade improves the Redskins beyond an 8-8, 9-7 team....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 5, 2010 3:03 PM

If this trade did all that, I'm a supporter. I'm just afraid that we're giving up too much in a draft that's supposed to be deep with OL, when we've got 1 or 2 legit starters on our OL right now. Our running back cadre is suspect. I don't see 8 or 9 wins with our O-line in the condition it's in now.

Philly may have done us a favor declining Haynesworth and LL. Those players are both young and have gas in the tank!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Two thoughts, Alan4. I agree that we are better off trading #37 than AH or LL. But we don't know the entire deal there. It might have been AH for DM and a pick, we just don't know.

More importantly, how can this one deal make us an 8-8 or 9-7 team. Well, it isn't just this one trade. It's all the changes that have happened since 1/1/2010. Cerrato gone, JZ gone, an experienced head coach, a bright young OC, a change in DC, a new training format that should get players in better shape. In addition, remember 5 or 6 losses last year where we held the lead well into the 4th Q. Then having a proven QB like McNabb to control the game. We are clearly on a track to have a better record in 2010. How good? Stay tuned. HTTR.

The Eagles are fine without McNabb because --unlike the Skins--they have history of selecting talent in the draft. They have a first rounder in Kolb and Vick as back up. Plus a bunch of young talent on offense like D. Jackson and Macklin. Anyone who thinks they are "rebuilding" is nuts.

It is the Skins who are couple years away.
The McNabb trade should be viewed as just one step in a process.

Let's see what picks they get for Campbell and anyone else who is moved in the few weeks before the draft.

I was actually hoping the Eagles would hold on to McNabb so they wouldn't benefit from a top 42 pick and would have a log jam at QB. Instead we gave them more than they were initially looking for in return and actually strengthen a divisional opponent.

I have been pleased by the patience and what seemed to be a long-term plan to build for the future and this move is the exact opposite. If they were going to load up for a 2-3 window then they should have been more aggressive in FA and gone after the 5-7 players that were worthy (Dansby, Rolle, etc.). Instead we have a long-term plan in place to build a competitive roster but we just traded for and will give a FAT new contract to a short-term solution at QB.

Peoples I have to agree with Leevi98. Lets say our goodbyes to the passer who completed 64% of his passes and through 20 TD's (15 INTs though - 3 of which were Davis's fault) and welcome our new Helm leader who completed 60% of his passes and through for 22 TDs.

Welcome McNabb - We will value you more than the eagles did. (hopefully)

Goodbye JC - I just pray you dont end up in Oakland. Competing in Carolina isnt a bad setup.

I'm finding it ultra hilarious that people have activated the the town emergency horn RE: the offensive line when there are FIVE months until September and they haven't drafted a single damn player yet...

BECASUE THEY HAVEN'T HELD THE DRAFT YET!

But typical RI posters, so indulged in their own opinions they can't even see the blatant logic in other opinions.

I really don't get how people just automatically assume that they're going to carry this same offensive line into the regular season.

Just like I can't understand how people are coming to the conclusion that Allen & Shanahan will make a trade giving up the 37th overall pick for an expiring contract and choose NOT to make an offer.

Or how everyone assumes that at the end of the coming season that it's a LOCK that McNabb will want to leave.

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 32
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - 33
Mark Rypien, Redskins - 30
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - 33
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 37
John Elway, Denver Broncos - 38
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 34
Drew Brees, NO Saints - 31
POINT IS???? McNabb is NOT washed up and too old. Posted by: leevi98
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Here's the problem those 49er and Bronco etc teams.. were all much better than the Redskins are now. So while the Skins build a contenter McNabb will be getting older and more beat up.. So by the time the Skins are good enough the only QB on the that list that will be older will be Elway.. and McNabb is no Elway.

The front office can't be so blind they don't realize this team needs two tackles (one that can start at lt immediatly) and a ss. Otherwise we do have a playoff capable roster. So the #4 will sure up lt we can grab a castoff to compete with heyer. Then use some of that snyder money for darren sharper or anyone that can cover deep. If we can do those things why couldn't we be competing for the division and a good playoff run. Anyone?

They only made this move because too many people read some remark made by ALbert Einstein.

Was Einstein even alive to watch Football??!!? If he was, he would have told the Eagles they are idiots for applying the 'same' logic here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 3:38 PM

Last year, you, psps23 and I believe BG were all saying how the Eagles would stink because (1) they lost their D-coord and safety, (2) their RB was fading, and (3) their pass catchers were young. What did they do? Compete for the division until the last game of the season and make the playoffs. Reid is still there and they have talent on both sides of the ball. It's good to know history.

The biggest loser in this trade is the grass at FedEx. With the Skins porous OL, McNabb's diminished mobility, and the 5-8 passes that McNabb throws into it, it's going to take a beating.

Posted by: Diesel44

Hey, can you let me know what time is
kickoff this coming Sunday, and whether the Redskins are home or away?

Regards,

Posted by: RedDMV | April 5, 2010 3:43 PM

Listen-

Don't cherry pick a post. Read what I've been writing.

I've said it several times that the season starts in 5 months and with that we are in the same boat as everyone else.

The only difference is that the Eagles, boys, and Ginas already have a more competitive roster and we only have 4 picks, the remaining dregs of FA, potential cuts, and undrafted FA to fill our numerous needs.

Now before you say it will take more than a year to fill our many needs and become competitive...I'll say exactly, that's why it doesn't make sense to have a short-term solution at QB when the roster is 2-3 years away from being competitive in the division.

Funny, you must think that the teams that are contenders are doing it wrong and we are doing it right. I mean it has worked so far right?? If youd rather have McShwaag than building our team through the draft you are as stupid as the FO. Really we need you gulable fans that buy into this crap every year to choose different teams and hope one day danny boy listens to us logical fans and takes a look at an organization that works. Thats all Im asking for. Do it the right way, its not rocket science if your way is broken, fix it!!!

Posted by: 4skin | April 5, 2010 3:15 PM |
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Let me ask you something: do you think great teams are built entirely through the draft? You seem to think this. Look at how Belichek has built the Patriots. Yes, he has a current collection of draft picks, but Moss, Welker and a handful of other players on their roster were not drafted by the Patriots. Last year they took a gamble on Shawn Springs. Belichek likes to sprinkle veterans among his rookies. It is about accumulating the right players, not about accumulating the youngest players. Shanahan is looking for a certain type of player. You can see that mentality show through with the guys who came to the park for auditions and left versus the guys he signed. You can see it also with the guys he is allegedly shopping around the league right now. He is trying to get the "I" out of team. He knows who the "me first" players are and they don't have a home with the Redskins. Say what you will about guys like McNabb and Larry Johnson, but no one ever said they weren't good teammates (except TO and I think we can give that one a miss).

Let me ask you this: How would the Redskins get a franchise quarterback? the guy on the roster had his opportunities and was largely ineffective. The top two QB draft picks carry a lot of questions with them. No one else was willing to give up a QB that had been to playoffs and Superbowls and had demonstrated an ability to lead. Take McNabb strengthens the Redskins while weakening a division foe. How can this be seen as a bad deal?

The front office can't be so blind they don't realize this team needs two tackles (one that can start at lt immediatly) and a ss. Otherwise we do have a playoff capable roster. So the #4 will sure up lt we can grab a castoff to compete with heyer. Then use some of that snyder money for darren sharper or anyone that can cover deep. If we can do those things why couldn't we be competing for the division and a good playoff run. Anyone?

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 3:54 PM

bc you cant just throw a bunch of stars together and expect it to work. a good team is not built through free agency. It takes chemistry and you dont get it with people just thrown together. Havent we done this before.

Let me ask you this: How would the Redskins get a franchise quarterback? the guy on the roster had his opportunities and was largely ineffective. The top two QB draft picks carry a lot of questions with them. No one else was willing to give up a QB that had been to playoffs and Superbowls and had demonstrated an ability to lead. Take McNabb strengthens the Redskins while weakening a division foe. How can this be seen as a bad deal?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report

What you forget to mention is that the Patriots didnt start adding big name free agents till they had a strong core of young talent and a SB caliber team. You add those player to fill gaps not to make you team as we have every year. I honestly would have rather seen Campbell get one more shot with a good line and good RB's and a good coach and pick up someone like Mccoy or Lefvour in the draft. I really think this is just prolonging the inevitable. We draft a good team and have FA to fill the gaps. Cant do that with 3-4 picks a year.

First of all, we ain't taken any Stinkin Cowboys!. Second Vicc is an Idiot!..Third wish you people would make up your mind about McNabb. Last year about this time when Vick joined the Eagles, there were talks on him coming here. Not one person in here wanted him, especially with Zorn, Vinny, and Snyder running things. Well Vinny and Snyder. Now we have Shannahan, and everyone thinks we're going to automatically go to the playoffs. Well unless we get Okung, and alot more help up front, McNabb will be a sitting Duck trying to throw out of a collapsed pocket. God forbid if he gets hurt and we have to rely on Rex to win games. As for throwing deep. That's going to be a new concept around here because Gibbs only threw deep maybe 2 times a game, and Zorn sorry a$$ of an offense with the BINGO CALLER wasn't much better. Can Thomas and Kelly even run deep routes? I wonder how many passes will Portis, Johnson, and Parker throw this year? Go ahead and send Jason to the Vikings and let him learn from Favre. That's the least this organization can do for him.