Thanks for the reference. I have not digested it enough to see the end of the tunnel yet. I did since find sql files in lmce/db_dumps. That will fit the pluto_main_build requirement but not the remainder of databases needed by BuildUbuntu_Functions.sh script (like main_sqlcvs_$flavor" and myth_sqlcvs_$flavor" ; $flavor=ubuntu) called by the make process. So this does push me back towards the sqlCVS topic. Thanks

Well I've just been over the entire mailing list's achive a bit earlier, and I didn't see anything being developped there.

Furthermore, what exactly is the advantage of a seperate mailing list over this forum here? I for one certainly don't need more places to keep track of. I already have 3 lmce-accounts in 3 different places. Next I guess will be a lmce newsgroup. And in the meantime we're not making much progress because everybody is to busy setting up their own place.

Right. I have to apologize, I was mistaken. It was not developed there, but hari announced it and his server there as well as on the forum. My bad. I was confused, as there were some mails going back and forth about the sqlCVS with the build-from-scratch-process.

I don't see it as setting up a bunch of new places, but daniel provided us with a full development area with svn, bugtracker trac and a mailinglist. The advantage is that these places at charonmedia are maintained. So I'd see the mailinglist as an addition.

To the three accounts: I guess you can forget about the mantis account. It seems somewhat useless. There are some people I have never heard of in the forum or wiki or mailinglist, that produce patches that I never got to see. That seems to be pluto-people with their system, but without feedback to a community-driven development, we're certainly all trying to achieve together...

In my opinion, the advantage of the mailinglist is, that you don't have to keep track of it. It comes to your inbox if you join and it does so right away without having to click reload several times a day... I'm up for a talk about that and everything else... but let's do that on freenode

What you see as an advantage I see as a nuisance. For me it's yet another place to check and I really don't need a mailbox full of stuff to plough through every day as well, I get more then enough email as it is already. And I don't think looking at the forum is that much harder then checking your email.

The community lives right here on the forum as far as I'm concerned. I'm affraid that starting more and more of these little islands is just going to spread our resources thin. And honestly, what use is a "maintained" SVN if we can't even get the thing completely built from source?

(I guess that didn't really came out right, I'm a lot less "upset" about these things then it may sound, please keep that in mind. Just can't seem to find the right wording)

What you see as an advantage I see as a nuisance. For me it's yet another place to check and I really don't need a mailbox full of stuff to plough through every day as well, I get more then enough email as it is already. And I don't think looking at the forum is that much harder then checking your email.

The community lives right here on the forum as far as I'm concerned. I'm affraid that starting more and more of these little islands is just going to spread our resources thin. And honestly, what use is a "maintained" SVN if we can't even get the thing completely built from source?

(I guess that didn't really came out right, I'm a lot less "upset" about these things then it may sound, please keep that in mind. Just can't seem to find the right wording)

Personally, I don't mind having the mailing list as well as the forums. I'm on both. If some people think the dev mailing list is easier, then so be it. So far it's been very tightly focused. If it starts wavering, then I'll start to worry. Also, the guys working on maintaining the svn (namely Daniel and a few more enterprising devs) are making good progress in working through the build issues. Come join us on the Dark Side in the forums and see!

Seriously though. I realize that communications between the core developers and the community as a whole is an important issue. I would propose, however, that someone help offload that responsibility from the devs, and let them continue to focus on the issues they're working on. Maybe, I don't know, someone who posts to 98% of the threads here and has a good idea of what's going on. Know anyone like that?