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I didn't want to get off topic on the Team Flare post, but yes I think only 3 Showcases are needed to rank up. They haven't really said if there is a showcase they must be completed after the 3rd win to rank up. There needs to be a little more info about them. As for the shortest run between gyms. I think you are correct. I cannot think of any right off the bat that were shorter runs unless it was in Johto that was really close together.

I did it already, but i guess in this thread and poll more supporters of other characters came and gave their vote of who they like best. Sometime Misty will win, sometime she will lose in polls depending on number of voters and who comes and vote. Many Misty fans left forums being discouraged and losing hope of Misty ever coming back, showing to be the case with lack of support for her in forums over past few years. After not returning in person for almost 10 years.

We can only hope that writers will recognize potential, appeal and popularity Misty as charscter holds deciding to soften up their inconsiderate policy and bring her back. Because demand for return is huge, people like her colorful persponality and want to see justice made with her unfinished story.

Hi there. Just wanted to say that i agree with more or less everything you said in my reply in Misty dreams thread. With reply not being required, and i believe thread served its point very well helping to many who came into that thread and read it to understand what in reality water pokemon master means, what was established in canon about path to walk upon in order to achieve it. Along with clearing out false beliefs circulating around it.

So continuation may not be needed.

I just want to say how regarding whole water master thing berng dub edit. Bulbapedia refutes that by mentioning how title water master was brought up in Japanese original version as well. I used to talk about it with fluent Japanese speakers and reputable members Sushi and Adamant(on serebii known as dephender)who know Japanese and one of them lived there. They confirmed how in Japanese version it was several times through episodes stated how Misty wants to become water pokemon master being definitely something writers wrote in scripts and came up with.

So whatever Dogasu may have said he made mistake, which i presume he corrected or should had by now.

Really , Misty really had a stable goal in Kento ????
Dude . I'm taking about Kento series because that was the most popular.
During that time , Misty always say different goal at different time.
First , She says she wants to be Best at everything . Second , She says she simply want to see the most mysterious Water Pokemon . Third , She say she want learn about Water Pokemon.Misty didn't had a Stable Goal until Jotho ! Up until then we just knew her goal has something to do with Water Pokemon.Furthermore, She only reveal a name for her Goal in Jotho.
However , None of us still doesn't know how anyone Water Pokemon Master.
I mean , If we consider Wallace as a Water Pokemon Master since he obviously most strongest Water Pokemon trainer then that wold Misty challenging the league as a mono Trainer to prove herself a Water Pokemon master.
Its the by far the best way to be water pokemon master but it require her to be Ash's rival. Truth is , Original Kento series didn't gave a dam care about Misty or anybodies Goal . It was just about Ash's goal & Humor.

Thinking on it, May and Dawn definitely weren't of that stereotype, except when it comes to their character designs. The stereotypes they fit are those of a 10 year old, particularly a 10 year old girl, while Misty was written more as a young teenage girl compared to the two who immediately followed her.

Remember, they're 10, and they're portrayed with emotions fitting of a 10 year old early on, and are considerably more mature/wise later in their journeys. Unlike Misty, they weren't already trainers when they made their anime debuts, so it's natural they still had some emotional and mental maturity to attain, as, unlike Misty, they weren't out and about on their own adventure. And I don't know about you, but when I was 10, I was a prissy little wimp (as a boy, I might add) and May and Dawn's characters, even in their initial emotional states, would make 10 year old me look like a total wimp. And 10 year olds are frequently obnoxious and whiny. It comes with the territory of being an older child who has some responsibilities and isn't always mentally and emotionally ready for the stress they bring.

Misty was often depicted as all of those things. I'd pick out examples, but my memory of the Kanto and Johto series is on they hazier side (since, well, it was at the start of my Pokemon marathon and was over 500 episodes of Pokemon ago), and I don't want to sift through nearly 300 episodes to make a point (she gets excessively angry on numerous occasions and it's written off by the other characters as her "being a female," which is sexist writing in and of itself). And you can't tell me that her half-shirt and those short-shorts she wears aren't over-sexualizing her appearance. She's no older than 12, at the oldest, herself. And, remember, every single lead anime girl's design is from the games, even Misty's, so, really, the overly sexualized designs are on the design teams at Game Freak.

Reading some summaries for May and Dawn while citing just Princess vs. Princess for Misty is, quite honestly, cherrypicking. Unfortunately, they all fit the stereotype if you were to cherrypick negative episodes for all 3 of them. At the same time, none of them fit the stereotype if you cherrypick positive episodes for all 3 of them. Pokemon also has a sea of female Characters of the Day that both do and don't fit that stereotype in every single subseries of the anime, and it really just depends on which of those you choose to highlight that can skew your entire perception of a particular subseries.

I will concede that Iris and Dawn did have some moments where the writers get lazy, particularly with those obnoxious catchphrases the dub teams gave them: Dawn's "No need to worry!" and Iris's "You're such a kid!", though I'm not sure whether those were in the original Japanese dub or not (I'm pretty sure Iris's was, but I'm not sure on Dawn's). I don't remember any for May or Misty, and Serena doesn't seem to have one yet (which is good, as they kinda get annoying).

they actually came up with ways to defeat opponents rather than relying on game mechanics exclusively.

Except no series of the anime relies on game mechanics exclusively. Off the top of my head (and there's more than just this one in DP), one of Ash's Pokemon actually used Hydro Pump as a hybrid offense and defense move by spinning like a top and spraying water everywhere to beat a gym.

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They also focused on various areas besides the stuff in the games

Every region of the anime has those towns that aren't actually on the game map. In fact, Black & White has a whole subsection of its run dedicated to such a thing (the Decolore Islands), and, iirc (my memory's kind of hazy on it because, like I've said, I've watched every episode in the 5 short years since I graduated from high school), the Advance Series opted to set the Battle Frontier arc in Kanto rather than on the island it's on in Emerald. The Black & White series managed to shove in an arc where Team Rocket is trying to capture Meloetta to use its voice to summon and control an ancient mirror that they could use to take over the world, spanning the time Ash got his 8th badge up until just before the Pokemon League started (~20 episodes dedicated to a plot that was most certainly not from the games).

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And they did hint at gyms besides the eight from the games and imply that you don't necessarily need to complete them in a specific order (unlike future series, where they generally imply you have to go a specific route to complete it, with XY upping the ante by making it impossible to even enter a gym unless you have a specific number of badges)

I inferred that as more of a stability matter where Kanto's gym ranks are more flexible, while the others have more stable ranks. I mean, none of the other regions have a crime syndicate boss for a gym leader, be it in the games or the anime. And none of the other games have an unofficial gym. Also, the BW anime actually has 11 different Gym Leaders make an appearance that are introduced as Gym Leaders or Gym Leaders awaiting final certification, 10 of whom are implied to be fully certified to give out badges, and 9 of whom actually do give out badges on screen. And that XY bit is actually due to a reason that's not actually in the games and is explained about 5 to 10 episodes in, explaining part of the backstories for Bonnie and Clement, before they make the long slog to Cyllage City. And if you watched the second episode of XY, you'd have actually seen Ash be as hax as he is in most of the movies, which is most certainly not something from the games.

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Not to mention I was basing this largely on Takeshi Shudo's blogs (and believe me, he definitely would not have approved with the current path Pokémon is going regarding the anime

Got a source for these blogs so I can read them? As far as I can see, there's been no real direction shift in the anime's entire existence, aside from the "reboot" at the start of BW.

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Actually, they matched up with the exact same stereotype that Maron from DBZ (I mean Krillin's GF, not his daughter) and the girls from Love Hina and Battle Vixens were depicted as

I... don't see what you're trying to convey... are you implying they're harem girls or...? Of the characters you're comparing them to, I only have familiarity with the Love Hina cast, which has a cast of girls that are all prototypes for many modern anime tropes, and Dawn and May fit none of those tropes (Tsundere love interest? Nope. Shy girl? Nope. Crazy genius? Nope. The drunk? Nope. The obsessed step-sibling? Nope. The "it wasn't me!" brat? Nope.). If there's a trope Dawn and May fit that I'm unaware of, please let me know. Because Misty most certainly fits in the tsundere trope if we're going that route (albeit, not as intensely as your typical wholly exaggerated tsundere character you see in many modern anime). One episode does not a character make. Though your example episode also provides something considerably more common in the Kanto anime than in later series: The fluke victory, which is Psyduck using its psychic powers after getting an intense headache from Lickitung's attacks.

Now, if you're talking about that rule pertaining to moments a movie has where two women are talking, and they aren't talking about romance, I can cite several moments where those two are talking with other girls and aren't talking about romance (definitely with Dawn. My memory's a bit hazy on May).

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Say what you will about the Original Series, at least it tried to include everyone regardless of age and geared it towards families and not just Barney and Friends-age children. AG, DP, BW, even XY don't even pretend to care about catering to older audiences, and that's actually resulting in a decrease in ratings.

For the later series, that's on the dub team cutting out the "edgier" jokes in the Japanese dubs that they felt would get them in hot water in America. They did let a hell of a lot of stuff fly, even with the reduction in "edginess", though. Not the fault of the Japanese writers that the dub crews took their script and had to dumb it down so it'd fly under the radar of many of the borderline xenophobic producers who've gone through Cartoon Network's ranks through the years, producers who'll scrutinize the hell out of a foreign-looking series, yet give edgier dubs of shows from studios in the US and Canada a free pass.

Basically, the point I'm making is that the original series is far from worth exalted status in any form. I see it far too often where people diss the later series because they don't want to take off the nostalgia glasses.

No matter your personal opinions, the show's never been anything but a shill. All children's TV anime in the last 30 years are product shills. Having actually watched practically every episode of Pokemon in the last 4 years to refresh my memory of the older stuff as well as catch up with the new stuff, I really don't see much difference between the quality and originality of the first season and the quality and originality of later seasons. It's been pretty consistent the whole way, really, and most of the actual character writing highlights take place in Advance Gen and DP because, well, they took the time to flesh characters out rather than focusing on the "character of the day". Though they did have an advantage in that they had 4 years to flesh out their stories rather than the one or two that every other series was saddled with due to game releases.

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