Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem. The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition isn’t made up of climate scientists, but is just a group of global warming skeptics who gave themselves a fancy title. And they just got caught combining temperature data from different places to get rid of the inconvenient warming trend in New Zealand. If you want to know what the science really says, please read the Copenhagen Diagnosis.

The New Zealand Government’s chief climate advisory unit NIWA is under fire for allegedly massaging raw climate data to show a global warming trend that wasn’t there.

The scandal breaks as fears grow worldwide that corruption of climate science is not confined to just Britain’s CRU climate research centre. …

Gareth Renowden explains how the NZCSC concocted their result — they made the NZ warming trend go away by treating measurements from different sites as if they came from the same site. Now that might be simple incompetence, but they also claim that NIWA won’t explain how they adjust the data for site changes, and as Renowden says:

Nothing in the station histories? It’s all there for anyone who can be bothered to look, or to ask politely. But Treadgold and the NZ CSC have no excuse, because the NZ CSC were told about this information at least two years ago, the last time they tried to make a fuss about “adjusted data”. In other words, Treadgold and whoever in the NZ CSC helped him with the data are being more than economical with the truth, they are lying through their teeth.

I wonder how many of the folks accusing NIWA of cooking their data will correct their posts?

Re: “hide the decline”. That phrase has been explained so many times, but I doubt you are interested in the truth eh? Go to realclimate.org or desmogblog.com and read all about what they were really saying.

So basically there are “scientists” on one side that are lying, censoring and stating half truths and on the other side “scientists” that are misrepresenting raw data.

That being the case….where do we get any sense of consensus, an actual scientific conclusion or any resemblance of a desire to have a government act upon this HORRIBLE “science”?

I’m so sick of the uneducated deniers that constantly deny that the planet is not meant to be a static temperature, denies that the ice has been melting for thousands of years and denying that we are in the midst of an overwhelming cooling period.

There is no “world-wide conspiracy”. There is, however, a smaller scale conspiracy by so called “scientists” who put political pressure and tapping into a huge cash cow of research funding that is provided by political groups over real, unbiased science. Wouldn’t want to loose out on all that free money, now would we?

Happy Daze elaborates on my less complete comments in #42. I left CFD aero-surfaces modeling a few years ago to come to the States and study history of science and surf a bit in California. Sure, the techniques used today, or capable of being used, are often formidable and impressive. Yet, there’s always an assumption, some necessary decision on rounding and precision in the models. The subjectivity just lies at a higher fidelity. I’m sceptical because I’ve been through the process – admittedly not the same process – but have dealt with atmospheric environmentals quite a bit. We’ve seen this before in the past, great energy and even public and legal policies hinging on what are now rightly considered pseudo-science, even if that was the “science” of the day. The expressions of certainty should offer pause to all with a sense of historical perspective and an understanding of complexity and attempts to model it. Browbeating the less- or uninformed with pedantic scientific-scribalism (e.g. #56) also does not establish the merits of one’s argument. Much of the above sounds just like two of my flatmates, fine boys without a numerical bone in their bodies, poor bastards. I’m sorry but you warming believers should welcome valid (yes, a great caveat, definition of that) scrutiny – your hypotheses and conclusions require the exercise. Cheers, DS.

Global warming results from BOTH natural causes AND manmade causes. We can’t do anything about the natural causes, but we can preempt the manmade causes. I fully support all actions that preempt the manmade causes. This fake ‘outrage’ I see against cap and trade, which worked perfectly to mitigate sulfur dioxide pollution, really demonstrates how sick and twisted the far right fringe extremist has become. The coal industry lobbyists spreading this garbage are going too far and I can guarantee people see right through it.

I am still waiting for the ice age that was predicted in the 70’s by the same science that are pushing this global warming lie. It is a fraud. If it is not, then open your books and show everyone your science. You can’t and you won’t. You will not even have an open debate. Al Gore will not even take questions. The global warming cult is a cult and they are trying to turn it in to a religion. The scientific data is derived from limited information. The earth’s volcanoes are capable of putting more polution in one hour than man could do in 1000 years. Plants need Co2 to grow. Plant more tress if you want to help. But even that is a drop in the bucket. It is a fruad designed to make money. Period, that’s all that is about.

#87 Tom is a different Tom from the one copy pasting the PR-document. I (not copy-paste Tom) will sign with Tomk in the future.

@Happy Daze: I don’t understand your line of thinking here when you say: “There is some suggestion (from the CRU material) of technical problems in the code and data, organized suppression of opposition technical opinion, and etc.” what do you mean exactly. I’ve seen e-mails of a guy complaining about the databases, because he is fixing them. What should they have done? Throw up their hands and say “this is too hard, let’s give up?” Similar for the “organized suppression of opposition…”. What I see is a magazine publishing such bad papers that it’s own editors (including those holding an opposing position like van Storch) resign. What should they have done, pretend all is just hunky dory?

How does that apply to me as a health researcher. In one of the projects I did, I had a very bad database from a previous researcher. I spend half a year making sure it was okay and usable. Should I not have done that? And if a medical journal is consistently publishing crack homeopath horseshit papers, what should I do, pretend that journal is just a-okay?

I’m currently using databases from other institutions to do my own research. Yes, I could make an agreement where parts of those databases will be available to the public (some parts never because of privacy issues) but then the cost of my research will probably quadruple. And for what? So that it is at best ignored and at worst the Watts of this world (who as I noted in #87 are completely incapable of holding a coherent position) can twist it? I don’t see any benefit from that, not for moving the research forward and not for the public.

I’m not climate scientist, it’s just that I look at the fields I do know (health research and the assorted quackery surrounding it) and transplanting my experiences there to the e-mails and the denialists behavior and I cannot see how anyone would take the denialists seriously.

Could you explain to me how similar e-mails from a single institution on cancer research would invalidate the whole field?
Could you explain to me how similar e-mails from a frustrated datamanager would invalidate the research on the dangers of smoking?
Because I really have no idea who these e-mails are supposed to mean anything to the field of climate science as a whole.

The attitude of Tim Lambert and the True Believers in Anthropomorphic Global Warming commenting on this site is quite remarkable. If AGW doesn’t exist in the form you claim it does it would be the biggest embarrassment of your allegedly scientific careers, no? What really goes on behind the scenes of your respective climate research organizations/institutions? How many data sets have you massaged to make AGW look better to further your careers? Why do hard questions make you so upset?
It’s fascinating that you insist the rest of the world ignore the fact that scientists are human and are therefore subject to the same social and financial pressures as the rest of us. Who’s really in denial?

I’d like to say a big thank you to all the new visitors for pushing Deltoid’s Google page ranking way, way up.
Wake me up when one of them manages to form a grammatically correct paragraph, without spelling errors, that expresses some kind of coherent point.

4. Data and programs produced using government funds by government employees? They do not belong to you.

5. You think this is going to blow over because you assholes call skeptics names? Keep blowing yourselves. It’s the only good time you’re going to have.

Fact is that you dog-fuckers have shown yourselves as completely untrustworthy. Monbiot is trying to get ahead of the curve but there’s no chance of that. Anybody who uses the term “deniers” as freely as he does doesn’t have much credibility to start with.

And failing to comply with FOIA requests? Conspiracy? That falls under the USA’s RICO anti-racketeering law.

Hello jail time.

So far you assholes have predicted all sorts of crap that hasn’t happened and won’t. More hurricanes? *laugh* hardly any this year. And let’s not forget those snippets of FORTRAN code that explicitly modifies the temperature data upward.

Next on the list is Hansen. When he is forced to admit that he has been fucking up the temp data for years his ass is gone. And frankly most of GISS is going to follow him into oblivion.

Hey DAVE,
You really have a command of adjectives for us “Deniers,” Bravo! I notice you take your global warming seriously and very personally. But guess what? 2009 was a very cool year here in the U.S. If fact, the past several years have been cool, cool, cool. Predicted global warming induced Hurricanes? Didn’t happen. I also notice you global warming enthusiasts rarely talk about things contrary to your hell bent OPINIONS about the earth soon broiling.

The problem with you Emotional Dave, is you want to levy a perpetual tax on me and everyone else based on your OPINIONS and feelings. Why your Grand Kleagle Al Gore won’t even debate the issue in public yet we’re required to believe people like him and you? Fat CO2 emitting chance!

Global warming is a SCAM by which communists/anticapitalists steal money from the populace by greenmailing psudoscientists to create fake studies having a predetermined outcome.

Carbon dioxide being a man made gas of consequence? Only an idiot or a grant hack would believe that crap.

And what is this religious DENIERS statement? If you want religion go to church FREAKS. The only thing more pitiful than a religious christian is the religious faggit who prays to a fake grant based science outcome.

The above senators may well move the gag to get the CPRS through or otherwise vote for it. Anyone who would like to stop the CPRS, should use the above user names followed by “@” followed by “aph.gov.au”. I suggest we find as many people as possible to contact them to ensure that the bill is defeated.

Until the AGW alarmists like Hanson and Mann agree to make all their data and methodology available to all I see no reason whatsoever to believe one word they publish. They aren’t practicing science. They are practicing politics.

If all of you believe that global warming is a real threat to this planet, why then are people like the CRU hiding so much information. Lay out all of the facts for us. The secrecy and tone of the CRU data is very damning if you ask me.

Honestly I will not even entertain the idea of agreeing on climate change until there is real transparency and a real discussion of the facts. Hammering us with absolutes while talking about suppressing dissenting voices and deleting information when they are being requested under a FOIA sends a really clear message to me, that there is something to hide.

Memomachine #118:
” 1. Here’s a clue: You have no credibility.
2. No open access to data? No science.
3. No open access to programs? No science.
4. Data and programs produced using government funds by government employees? They do not belong to you.
5. You think this is going to blow over because you assholes call skeptics names? Keep blowing yourselves. It’s the only good time you’re going to have.”

Well, I guess that effectively rules out most of medicine, physics, chemistry, astronomy, archeology or any field of science as science. Well done. Are you a creationist by any chance? They have this same tendency to deny all of science with sweeping statements.

Fran, wouldn’t we be better to self organise and take start a sustained campaign of non-cooperation with the system of injustice?

I’d feel that was a better use of our effort. I don’t think the opposition need any more help towards self destruction. There still so much to do (and so little time) in terms of playing a straight bat.

Mapel leaf be happy that Global warming isn’t happening. We are ok don’t worry about us. Oh that doesn’t fit your agenda. By the way Science shouldn’t have an agenda because if the facts don’t fit the agenda then you have to make the statistics fit the agenda.

Judging by these posts, the AGW crowd is in a panic and in full scale damage control. If there is no ‘AGW’, these so called ‘scientists’ are unemployed. No more government funding or research grants will really put a damper on the AGW crowd’s ability to scare the shit out of people. Keep trying to cook the books. No one is buying your bullshit anymore. Once the requested FOI documents are obtained from NASA and other climate research entities, the entire world will see what a farce ‘AGW’ has been from day one. At that point, all of these so called ‘scientists’ should be executed for their role in what will become known as the biggest scam ever perpetrated on mankind.

Al Gore, q low grade moron has made over 100 million dollars off promoting his global warming scam. Gore has taken 500 million more from the US taxpayers in preparation for the Cap and Trade SCAM. I REST MY CASE. SCAM. SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.SCAM.

Interpretation of ice core data suggests that between 800 and 1300 AD the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a mild climate, with trees and herbaceous plants growing and livestock being farmed. What is verifiable is that the ice cores indicate Greenland has experienced dramatic temperature shifts many times over the past 100,000 years — which makes it possible to say that areas of Greenland may have been much warmer during the medieval period than they are now and that the ice sheet contracted significantly.[8]

Imagine that: Greenland was green 500 years ago for half a millenia and now we are concerned about a .75 celsius degree warming in the last 100 years which is a result of the sun and other natural phenomea.

ROFLMAO, I can’t believe the idiots on this forum that still back the “MAN MADE” hoax of global warming. I realize it is one of the tenants of your socialist/communist libtard religion, but you are just going to have to let this one go. The majority of the world’s population had stopped believing in your hoax long before the emails came out. The emails just put the icing on the cake. Now, go back to your environmentalist shacks, continue to deny the holocaust, and think up some other way to destroy humanity, because this hoax of yours has come to an end.

In any scientifc method, doubt is part of it. There is no learning, knowledge without doubt.
Calling name to those who doubts in the name of science, is pretty lame, far away from science.
Inquisition was based on that, Galieleo was a clear “denier” by the same approach some “believers” want to apply in the name of science.
Truth would never be afraid of doubt.
Only lie is.

Having read several dozen of the emails in question. I am more concerned how their writings depicts a group still massaging input data, quizzing each other over equations and the meaning of the output results. Basically every phase of their simulations from input to interpretation of the output are still uncongealed, incomplete, unconvincing (even to themselves). Yet they represent it as conclusive.

Were the input simulations on circuits I design for aerospace electronics so full of holes from top to bottom it would be frowned upon by my colleagues that I would even begin a circuit board layout yet alone put the thing into a critical operating point in a jet plane.

No, It is NOT ALRIGHT for a cottage industry of, secretive, quasi-aristocratic, pipe-smoking, know-it alls to fudge their data (even a little) or even interpret it without review to impose indentured servitude upon citizens which, in the name of protecting planet earth only really line the pockets of despotic elites.

God and my industry knows we wouldn’t let a plane fly under these circumstances, why should we consider altering the disposition of trillions of dollars and billions of humans based on such crumbly hokum?

Wow the paid trolls at the beginning of the thread are quite impressive. And quite obvious. The English Channel was above water 15,000 years ago. You could walk from England to France. The sea levels rose and flooded it. What causes that… all the cars the cave men were driving around at the time ?? The Climate is ALWAYS changing so how do you fight Climate Change ? Freeze the planet solid so nothing change. Does anyone remember them saying the sea levels could be 13 feet higher with Mega-hurricanes every year by 2010 ? Uhhhhh… the sea levels havent even risen a tenth of an inch !! The earths environment moves in cycles.. period !!

Imagine that: Greenland was green 500 years ago for half a millenia and now we are concerned about a .75 celsius degree warming in the last 100 years which is a result of the sun and other natural phenomea.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem. The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition isn’t made up of climate scientists, but is just a group of global warming skeptics who gave themselves a fancy title. And they just got caught combining temperature data from different places to get rid of the inconvenient warming trend in New Zealand. If you want to know what the science really says, please read the [Copenhagen Diagnosis](http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.org/).

You AGW propagandists remind me of meteorologists who study charts and graphs and data, but who never bother to look out the window. If you did, you would see what the rest of us see – your emperor has no clothes.

What evidence? No true peer review no data exchange no debate just a big shovel of manipulated data by AGW supporters. If AGW I would be the first one to admit it just show me real data not cooked books. I don’t know which is more arrogant we can change the temperature of the globe or we are causing a change of temperature of the globe.

Wow the paid trolls at the beginning of the thread are quite impressive. And quite obvious.

Yup. Have to rally round the religion, don’t you know. But, as you and I know, it matters not, as this hoax has run its course and all “climate” legislation will soon come to an end. Meanwhile, Barak the Magic Negro hasn’t gotten the memo, and still plans on going to Copenhagen.

Since climate science may drastically effect us all, whether climate change is because of humans or not, (cap & trade, etc.)many scientists and engineers have begun to look at what the climate scientists are doing. Many of us have experience in industries that require more rigorous oversight and quality assurance. Examples are in medical device and pharmecutical development, nuclear industry, etc. It appears to me the climate science so far has been strictly amatur hour. They have no clue what true rigorous and structured oversight is. They clearly do not involve the statistics community in the review of their work. They have no configuration management or rigorous quality assurance programs. Try that with the Food and Drug Administration in the US, or the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Climate science is in its infancy yet they expect us to implement drastic changes based on “trust us, we know what we’re doing”. Sorry, that’s not the way its going to be.

OK, so where do I go to get the raw data and documents showing how the raw data were adjusted? I want to see the procedures for myself. Why don’t you? This isn’t rocket science, you know. (Or do you know?)

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Update: A special message to visitors from Drudge: you are being lied to. Global warming is happening and we’re causing it, but to avoid dealing with the problem folks are shooting the messenger, attacking the scientists who discovered and reported on the problem.

ROFLMAO, Kool-Aid for everyone. Sorry idiot, we don’t bow down to your religion, and the curtain has been pulled from your hoax. What part of FALSIFYING DATA TO MAKE NON-EXISTANT TRENDS LOOK LIKE WARMING don’t you understand. You and your ilk can continue bowing down to Lord Obama, or whatever other liberal idol you want, but THE WORLD NOW KNOWS IT WAS A COMPLETE HOAX, AND YOUR RELIGION IS DEAD. TRYING TO CHANGE THAT FACT BY CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE EMAILS IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. WE SEE WHAT THEY SAY, AND THEY SIMPLY SUPPORT THE FACTS WE ALREADY KNEW. YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED.

Its always so funny to see people trying to do damage control when the lights get flicked on and they are caught. they always talk loud, get defensive, attack, demonize the questioners (as Deniers). Scramble like roaches little ones !! You have been caught. Btw, if a large mantle avalanche occured or maybe the yellowstone caldera gives a start since it is overdue (none of which are caused by man) everything they think they can control will blow up in their face and it will have been for not. Climate Change is a new kind of medeval sorcery. Those who wield it are mysterious are powerful and even kings listen to them, the only prove their art under their own conditions, and if you question them in front of the populous or the kings they will attack you and discredit you to save themselves. Just like medveal sorcery.

Quote from the Brothers Bloom: “In the perfect con, everyone gets what they want.” Usually, the con-artists gets the money from the sap being played. The best con involves several different artists cooperating. In the global warming con, the politicians will get more control. The UN gets to distribute money to “poor countries”. The eco-socialists-nazis get to say they have saved the world from the evil capitalists. The “scientists” get grant funding and power in their community. It seems to be to me that there are several people with vested interest in the outcome of the global warming hoax.

It is funny that all the chicken little psudoscientists discuss “GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE” with a greater religious furvor than a televangalist on meth or worse Jehova’s witnesses. Their insane shouts of DENIERS/BLASPHEME at any questioning of thier massaged data and “computer models” make me want to believe in Scientology, which is at least more open and less defensive.

Why won’t Al Gore have a debate on APW? If it is such a vital subject, one would think he would debate all comers! Also, why does Al Gore live a lifestyle that leave such a huge carbon footprint? The “carbon offsets” is a bunch of crap. Why doesn’t he lead by example?

I just love the kool-aid drinkers here. They say that the ‘deniers’ must prove that AGW doesn’t exist. How do you prove a negative. I have yet to see any real proof of AGW. The only proof of anything offered was that temps have gone up through 1998. No proof beyond scientifc doubt that the cause was AGW related. In fact every relationship graph has shown that there is no direct correlation, let alone causation, for AGW and the climate. So please give us a break and you prove the physics between AGW and climate. BTW that means back testing it to show the results of AGW in a historical relationship which has NEVER been shown.

Tim #128: “By the way Science shouldn’t have an agenda because if the facts don’t fit the agenda then you have to make the statistics fit the agenda.”

Yes, science does not have an agenda and it is not a popularity contest. And yes, fiddling the data is wrong. That is why what the NZCSC has done is so reprehensible. That is also why Monckton et al. fiddling the data is wrong.

Oopps, Sorry Rick, I take that back, Tim Osborne has just pointed out that any evidence of AGW is “*just a big shovel of manipulated data by AGW supporters*”, and since this evidences supports AGW, then by definition it must be wrong.

Tim L – Please seek mental help. AGW is hoax and you continue to push this hoax on a public that is aware of it. You and your colleagues look like idiots. Please STOP. Give it 5 or 10 years and a new great cause will come along.

Shorter Greenies are Psychos & Melissa and all the others geniuses here for the first time:

I’m too stupid to reproduce, so I’ll drag everyone down to my level.
This is all they have folks. Nothing else. Best they can do. And they reproduce.

WE HAVE NOTHING? Your whole hoax has been exposed and you say “they have nothing”. You pompous asses on the left are witnessing the destruction of your religion. Therefore, I expect the types of reactions I am getting.

But I will tell you, you better change your worldview, or you will soon find yourself delegated to the dung heap of communism and totalitarianism. Yes, that’s right, we all know what you idiots are all about.

So tell me, Mr. Pompous Ass, what do you have now? Who is going to believe you? Will you go to your death-bed screaming “global warming is real” while the snow piles up to record levels around your home? Stop being an idiot, and wake up.

>*t is funny that all the chicken little psudoscientists discuss “GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE” with a greater religious furvor than a televangalist on meth or worse Jehova’s witnesses. Their insane shouts of DENIERS/BLASPHEME at any questioning of thier massaged data and “computer models” make me want to believe in Scientology, which is at least more open and less defensive.
NUTBAGS*

AWG is bullshit … is that a scientific enough term for you true believers? The nut job climate scientists, those pushing the AGW agenda and pocketing gobs and gobs of research dollars, have nothing invested in this, do they? Like the high priests of old, they hide in their towers, conceal their secret methods, scowl at the common ignorant peasants, and tell the kings what they want to hear.

So much outrage from the high priests! How dare we get a look behind the curtain, only to see them throwing beads and bones in the dirt in order to arrive at their sage, wise declarations. Truth is, many of these agenda-driven climate scientists are confused and disorganized … and now, thoroughly embarrassed.

“Why won’t Al Gore have a debate on APW? If it is such a vital subject, one would think he would debate all comers! Also, why does Al Gore live a lifestyle that leave such a huge carbon footprint? The “carbon offsets” is a bunch of crap. Why doesn’t he lead by example?”

HE is leading by example. Actions speak louder than words. If ALGORE actually believed the crap he was scamming the RUBES on he would have a house more eco friendly than the UNIBOMBER instead of trying to one up TRUMP

The guy who wrote the article has now changed it and is now commenting as well to try to manipulate the readers. This is not even news !! Haha, hwo funny. Well sir you are right I am being lied to. I have read stories on the AP that unless we do something quick the seas are going to BOIL !!! Are you kidding me ?? Seriously you are kidding me right. Do you have the slighest knowledge of thermodynamics. You guys are out there telling the populous the SEAS ARE GOING TO BOIL ?? What a gigantic joke. Next thing you know polar bears will be dropping from the sky. Oh wait, you guys already made a commerical about that. Sorry my friend, no one is trying to convince me global warming is NOT happening. The only ones trying to do the convincing are people like you. A student of climate history knows the earth goes through cycles and is ALWAYS ALWAYS changing. Mother natures rule #1 – Stay on your toes humans cause I change quick !!

With that standard of argument and evidence, I predict Schmidt, Rahmstorf, Pitman, Mann and co. will admit defeat and throw in the towel, polar ice caps will dramatically increase in extent and thickness, the rise in global mean temperatures will halt, and we will all live in peace and harmony under the New Really Really Nice World Government led by his Benevolence Tony “People Skills” Abbott.

If the above is representative of the comments that sites like RealClimate receive but refuse to publish, then clearly they are guilty of “hiding data” and “manipulating the science”. Frankly, the posts above have opened my eyes to The Truth, and I realise that up to now I have been a forlorn stumbler in the darkness of unreason.

I am a Drudge Reader. One of those you say is being manipulated. I am an average person. I have no college degree. i have no formal education. I regular working joe and a single parent of two teens. Very close to an average American.

I publicly challenge you to a debate on this subject. I advance the statement that you are wrong and the global warming is not caused to a large degree by humans. I am not afraid to have my ideas questioned and if you can not convine someone like me then you can not convince America.

>*It’s not science, it’s the religion of the left…
Science has never had one thing to do with it.
It is simply about destroying the very concept of God and replacing it with MASSIVE government!
All hail his royal FUCKTARD COWARD, Barack Obama!*

Wake up email deniers! These leading scientists are troubled that they can’t make all the data work for them. There is evidence of collusion and systematic coverup here, and one needs only to follow the money to understand why. AGW as settled science may not be completely dead, but it isn’t breathing on its own.

I’m a self labeled skeptic. Which does not mean I deny AGW, I just think it isn’t firmly proven yet. It’s still fairly early for the field, scientist are still discovering fundamental issues with their theories and models which disprove them. Which does NOT mean the science is wrong, this is how it’s supposed to work. Theory, test, refine theory based on results. I won’t claim AGW must be wrong just because we’re still in the test/refine theory phase. I just think the proper course of action is to wait until scientists have more refined theories better able to stand up to testing than we do now before all of humanity makes a massive lifestyle altering and expensive program.

Which is why the comments in this thread as well as the leaked emails disappoint me. It isn’t that anything is there that disproved AGW, it’s the attitude. The leaked emails are full of arrogance by trying to blackball denialists, attempts to re-define what a peer reviewed journal is because they don’t like one paper that appeared in it, and quite active attempts to deny FOI requests and hide their data. The very first comment I see here is ‘Denialists, remember – gullible is a life-style choice.’ Further comments call me full of bullshit and anti-science.

This is why there is such a backlash against AGW. Proponents of AGW are arrogant, elitist, and flat out insulting to anyone who dares think differently than they do. As the emails prove, AGW proponents actively seek to blackball anyone who dares disagree. They actively seek to restrict science and hide their data, something which should be counter to the very ideas of the scientific community. Instead, you guys are fine with that. It’s those people who dare asked to see data proving your claims that are, as comments in this thread have claimed, criminals. In the meantime, there isn’t a single prediction in the IPCC which showed there would be a 10 year stabilization in global temps. I can accept the arguments that there are other factors currently hiding AGW, but that doesn’t change the fact you were wrong. Flat out 100% wrong. Real data has proven the models IPCC relied on to be false. As in not true. Yet I’m the one full of bullshit, a criminal, and anti-science because I think there needs to be a model good enough to make accurate predictions on before we take action? Perhaps AGW proponents just need to quit being such stuck up snobbish bastards instead.