At their very best, the Saints offense rivals any in the league. Including the Packers and Patriots.

They have three dynamic running backs. Their first round pick Mark Ingram — who suffered a bruised foot late in the game — is probably the third least important back behind Darren Sproles and Pierre Thomas.

The Saints have a tight end on pace for a record-breaking season. [b]They have four wide receivers who all have different skill sets and know the offense incredibly well. They have two Pro Bowl guards. T[/b]

Just thought I'd throw that out there ^^^^^^^^^

I sat in the 2nd row at the 25 Browns sideline and it seemed the entire fist half was played right in front of me

I can say without a shadow of a fucking doubt that in the Browns 1st 3 series not ONE WR ran a pattern over 7 yds....not one

It made perfect sense tho.... considering McCoy never had the time to throw it 8 [snarky comment]

I have more respect for McCoy today than ever...the kid took and absofuckinglute ass beating in what has to be one of the worst fucking offensive game plans and OL blocking I've ever witnessed

Kerri on....

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I have more respect for McCoy today than ever...the kid took and absofuckinglute ass beating in what has to be one of the worst fucking offensive game plans and OL blocking I've ever witnessed

Kerri on....

Say what you want about the doe eyed midget, I refuse to question his toughness. The only time during the game that he displayed normal touch on his passes was late in the 3rd/4th when he wasn't on his back after every single attempt. Kid took a serious beating.

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Triple-S wrote:did you guys notice the stats they've put up on the defensive side of the ball?

8th in Points allowed.4th in Total Yards2nd in Passing Yards

Granted, did we play some mediocre squads? yeah. But this defense maybe the lone brightspot that we fan can hold up at this point.

Still can't believe this. They pitched a hell of a game last night. Whitehurst looked a HELL of a lot better against the Saints defense in the playoffs last year and in that Giants game.

Just hope that it manages to get better in time to play a respectable game against the Ravens and Steelers at the end of the year. I don't beg for a win, but to just look like the Browns belong on the same GD field.

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I love that this is the game thread after a win. Can you imagine what it would look like if the score was reversed?

On the Randy/soccer thing, I went to the game in Wembley yesterday. Wasn't planning on it, but got a free ticket, and while keeping up with the 6-3 barnburner on my phone, became increasingly happy that I opted for live football at a historic venue over watching the Browns on my laptop in my hotel room. Wore my Kosar jersey. Actually got several compliments. One guy stopped me and asked me if I was an Aston Villa fan. I had no farking idea what he was talking about until it hit me that RJ owns a soccer team too. He went on to explain to me that the fans over here think that he spends too much time and money on the Browns, and should either sell the soccer team or get serious about it. So our problems are not unique to the states...

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves-----Abe Lincoln

Let me tell you, if any of you douchebag empty headed stuffed suit nanny politicians tries to fuck with my bacon, I’m going after you like a crazed chimpanzee on bath salts. -----Lars

gotribe31 wrote:I love that this is the game thread after a win. Can you imagine what it would look like if the score was reversed?

On the Randy/soccer thing, I went to the game in Wembley yesterday. Wasn't planning on it, but got a free ticket, and while keeping up with the 6-3 barnburner on my phone, became increasingly happy that I opted for live football at a historic venue over watching the Browns on my laptop in my hotel room. Wore my Kosar jersey. Actually got several compliments. One guy stopped me and asked me if I was an Aston Villa fan. I had no farking idea what he was talking about until it hit me that RJ owns a soccer team too. He went on to explain to me that the fans over here think that he spends too much time and money on the Browns, and should either sell the soccer team or get serious about it. So our problems are not unique to the states...

I thought they loved soccer Randy? From what i've heard on this side of the pond, dude has spent some serious jack trying to turn AV into a contender.

gotribe31 wrote:I love that this is the game thread after a win. Can you imagine what it would look like if the score was reversed?

On the Randy/soccer thing, I went to the game in Wembley yesterday. Wasn't planning on it, but got a free ticket, and while keeping up with the 6-3 barnburner on my phone, became increasingly happy that I opted for live football at a historic venue over watching the Browns on my laptop in my hotel room. Wore my Kosar jersey. Actually got several compliments. One guy stopped me and asked me if I was an Aston Villa fan. I had no farking idea what he was talking about until it hit me that RJ owns a soccer team too. He went on to explain to me that the fans over here think that he spends too much time and money on the Browns, and should either sell the soccer team or get serious about it. So our problems are not unique to the states...

I thought they loved soccer Randy? From what i've heard on this side of the pond, dude has spent some serious jack trying to turn AV into a contender.

The guy seemed happy about the $$, but not about the players they ended up getting. He complained that some of the guys are making millions and not even on the active roster. Basically thowing big cash after guys that don't deserve it. I told him how Randy hired Mangini on his own, without input from more experienced football guys, and he said that it sounds similar to his foray into soccer.

Pretty much everyone I talked to about soccer (which was about 5 people, so small sample size) wants a salary cap, but they also agree that it will never work because the players will go play in Europe for more $$.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves-----Abe Lincoln

Let me tell you, if any of you douchebag empty headed stuffed suit nanny politicians tries to fuck with my bacon, I’m going after you like a crazed chimpanzee on bath salts. -----Lars

gotribe31 wrote:I love that this is the game thread after a win. Can you imagine what it would look like if the score was reversed?

If there was ever such a thing as a demoralizing win, yesterday's game was it. Just cannot get fired up to come in here and discuss how absolutely FEH was the whole "game day experience."

Even the Fat Man himself is hedging his bets at 5-7 years. I simply cannot give a rat's ass about 5 more years of ineptitude. Losing my religion.

Never, ever, ever have I walked out of that joint after a win and heard the throng of people heading to their cars as quiet as it was yesterday. There was zero enthusiasm and/or rejoicing.

None.

To FMB's point. No one should question McCoy's toughness or approach to preparing. And he did get knocked all over the field yesterday, even on 3-step drops and quick throws. Not pushed down and shoved but hit and hit hard.

But on plays where he did have time he still missed a number of open throws and that can't continue.

You could make a case the best offensive player yesterday was the backup rb who walked in off the street off of the Houston practice squad (that you can say that is scary enough). Although there is a chance Hardesty may have made it to 100 yards if he only could have made it to his 40th carry. The ineptitude is staggering. It's the first game I got to watch as the Seahawks are the "local" team here (along with the Broncos!! it was awesome NFL televising here yesterday getting to watch both Miami/Denver and Cleveland/Seattle at the same time even!), and I'm thinking I haven't been missing much at all.

All I gotta say ... is Charlie Freaking Whitehurst. Wow. From the John Holmes 70's porn star look to the just complete inability to throw a forward pass ... my God was that hard to watch.

And it takes a special kind of suck to horrify those of us that have watched Spergeon Wynn, Trent Dilfer, Luke McCown, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Ken Dorsey, Jake Delhomme ... and presently, Colt McCoy.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

To FMB's point. No one should question McCoy's toughness or approach to preparing. And he did get knocked all over the field yesterday, even on 3-step drops and quick throws. Not pushed down and shoved but hit and hit hard.

But on plays where he did have time he still missed a number of open throws and that can't continue.

...and Josh Cribbs dropped a wide open pass that could have impacted the flow of the offense...

A well thrown ball hit him in the worst possible place........his hands

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Fire Marshall Bill wrote:To FMB's point. No one should question McCoy's toughness or approach to preparing. And he did get knocked all over the field yesterday, even on 3-step drops and quick throws. Not pushed down and shoved but hit and hit hard.

But on plays where he did have time he still missed a number of open throws and that can't continue.

...and Josh Cribbs dropped a wide open pass that could have impacted the flow of the offense...

A well thrown ball hit him in the worst possible place........his hands

SD:

Right a ten yard completion to the 30 from our twenty to the sidelines was monumental .

Mr. Reptile, the reason that everyone keeps disagreeing with you is that you're just wrong.

A good QB can turn around a franchise very quickly, especially in this day and age. If you don't have "The Guy" at that position, then you need to get him ASAP. If you draft someone high and he doesn't turn out to be "The Guy", then you draft another one, and another, and another, and another until you get "The Guy".

Without "The Guy", you are nothing.

Further rationale to the contrary just makes people question your reasoning ability.

Also, there seemed to be a decided lack of comment on how much ass the Defense kicked, but that certainly wouldn't have been in lockstep with the precepts of the CJoD.

I don't know where they're going, but I'm like 3 regimes past stressing about it. At least Heckert can draft well. The rest is a big haze that probably won't end well, but que sera sera.

I know the guy hasn't exactly been this bastion of football knowledge, but I was listening to Fedor in the afternoon due to me being bored, and he about summed up Colt.

Colt is a guy in that you need everything to be just right around him to succeed. You'll need a good defense, good blocking, good receivers and a good defense.

And then there's guys like Roethlisberger and Manning who you can toss into any situation and they'll be able to pull out some form of a win. Be it via smarts or just pure guts and athleticism.

Now, what sounds more likely in the case of the Browns and what would be the quickest way to become a legit team in the NFL?

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

gotribe31 wrote:I love that this is the game thread after a win. Can you imagine what it would look like if the score was reversed?

On the Randy/soccer thing, I went to the game in Wembley yesterday. Wasn't planning on it, but got a free ticket, and while keeping up with the 6-3 barnburner on my phone, became increasingly happy that I opted for live football at a historic venue over watching the Browns on my laptop in my hotel room. Wore my Kosar jersey. Actually got several compliments. One guy stopped me and asked me if I was an Aston Villa fan. I had no farking idea what he was talking about until it hit me that RJ owns a soccer team too. He went on to explain to me that the fans over here think that he spends too much time and money on the Browns, and should either sell the soccer team or get serious about it. So our problems are not unique to the states...

I thought they loved soccer Randy? From what i've heard on this side of the pond, dude has spent some serious jack trying to turn AV into a contender.

The guy seemed happy about the $$, but not about the players they ended up getting. He complained that some of the guys are making millions and not even on the active roster. Basically thowing big cash after guys that don't deserve it. I told him how Randy hired Mangini on his own, without input from more experienced football guys, and he said that it sounds similar to his foray into soccer.

Pretty much everyone I talked to about soccer (which was about 5 people, so small sample size) wants a salary cap, but they also agree that it will never work because the players will go play in Europe for more $$.

Lerner bought the team about 5 years ago and immediately spent cash on a few players. The team quickly went from the middle/bottom of the league to competing for a spot in Champions League. And fans were producing videos like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeJpQlGW_GA

Earning that would be big for this club. This past season they faded back to right in the middle of the pack again.

Heard on the radio this morning from Kiley and Booms that apparently Colt has not been allowed to call audibles in this offense.

If this is so, it would explain so very much.

Also, that's fucking bullshit, because it's not allowing me to gauge Colt as to whether or not he's the guy any further. Not saying the dude's manning or kosar when it comes to that sort of thing, but that is from all accounts one of his strengths and something he really focused on learning with Texas.

Shurmer is a fucking idiot.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:Heard on the radio this morning from Kiley and Booms that apparently Colt has not been allowed to call audibles in this offense.

If this is so, it would explain so very much.

Also, that's fucking bullshit, because it's not allowing me to gauge Colt as to whether or not he's the guy any further. Not saying the dude's manning or kosar when it comes to that sort of thing, but that is from all accounts one of his strengths and something he really focused on learning with Texas.

Shurmer is a fucking idiot.

So, last year he had a coach who completely ignored him. This year he has a coach who has him locked in to a system where he is unlikely to be successful. Good luck in the NFL kid.

I don't want to make excuses for the guy. Frankly I think a great QB overcomes these things, and his passing has looked awful at times.

But you combine the fact that the receivers are not getting separation and now this?

If it's because Pat is worried about turning the ball over, then what the fuck? This season is a wash anyways, might as well hand the kid the keys the old beater (notice I didn't say vette there), and see what he can do. It shows to me a lack of faith in Colt, which is just even more detrimental to the team at this point.

Settle this thing. No one likes going through this revolving door of QB's we've had since the 89. Either let him have more control of the offense or get rid of him, because at this point he's not looking like he's worth the time.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.