I'm confused, I thought both of Captain Obvious's accounts had been locked earlier? It then posts an apology and when people come down on him for his past behavior, he requests the thread to be locked. What's up with that?

haha.. cute... not.
I requested the thread to be locked only becasue the purpose of the thread was for people to have a link to my apology. No reason for people to continue to post crap that's been said in more than one thread. I'm just trying to help save server space! (lol)

Here's what it boils down to:
Were this a General Discussion topic, people would still be angry and offended - yes - but it would have been a perfect way to show how a fouled-up dealer can pull off a scam on all of us AR.com guys. It would have been enlightening and justifiable, as no real "crime" would have been commited at all.
However, it wasn't a GD - it was an EqEx. Our EqEx is the "business" portion, for lack of better terminology, of this fine site. All of the other forums are for advice, questions, comments, rants and raves, bitching, moaning, and learning - but the EqEx is a [i]true[/i] area of commerce that should not be taken lightly or disrespected.
Capt, what you did was not intrinsically bad, and I admire the fact that you won't back down from that opinion. However, the main injustice that was served was the PLACE of the post, not the CONTENT of it. If you made a quick, but sincere apology for doing the wrong thing in the wrong place, then I think people would overlook the incident, and it would enforce the idea that the EqEx, which I've used on 2 or 3 occasions, is tolerant of only professional, non-fraudulant behavior.
Ya F'ked up, you made an error in judgement - we all do sometimes...now you pay your one-time-installment "Idiot Tax" and apologize for the [i]place[/i] the post was made, understanding that it has its own set of rules. Simple as that. We all in agreement?
It hurts being this good...probably because I'm [i]Eee-vil[/i]
[img]www.auburn.edu/~littlcb/E-vil2.jpg[/img]

Originally Posted By Jewbroni:
Here's what it boils down to:
Were this a General Discussion topic, people would still be angry and offended - yes - but it would have been a perfect way to show how a fouled-up dealer can pull off a scam on all of us AR.com guys. It would have been enlightening and justifiable, as no real "crime" would have been commited at all.

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Actually for five hours his little
prank could have caused a legitimate dealer
to lose sales and therefore money.
Suppose C-Mags were posted on an auction
site
and that auction closed
prior to the Capn's revelation that this was a prank.
This kind of crap causes the seller to deal
with any number of retracted bids as well as being stuck paying posting fees for an item that did not sell due to buyers believing that an incredible deal could be found elsewhere.

I love Blazingleads Idea !!!
How about REPARATIONS for those that have been wronged !!!!
C,mon C.O. make good on your ad and we will put it all behind us.
[BD][B)][:o)]
and as for your"drop it..no seriously just drop it"
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Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with?...... That's me

Originally Posted By Jewbroni:
Here's what it boils down to:
Were this a General Discussion topic, people would still be angry and offended - yes - but it would have been a perfect way to show how a fouled-up dealer can pull off a scam on all of us AR.com guys. It would have been enlightening and justifiable, as no real "crime" would have been commited at all.

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Actually for five hours his little
prank could have caused a legitimate dealer
to lose sales and therefore money.
Suppose C-Mags were posted on an auction
site
and that auction closed
prior to the Capn's revelation that this was a prank.
This kind of crap causes the seller to deal
with any number of retracted bids as well as being stuck paying posting fees for an item that did not sell due to buyers believing that an incredible deal could be found elsewhere.

What would please you? Public stoning or ritual suicide with a short blade?
The guy made a mistake, tried to apologize and people who didn't get taken in by the poor prank started giving him hell.
"those of you with out sin cast the first stone" Oh hell, that's not going to work. Just give the guy a break will 'ya?
If the reaction for the racial and child porno and bondage post here a few months ago was half this intense I'd be more happy.

Originally Posted By Jewbroni:
Here's what it boils down to:
Were this a General Discussion topic, people would still be angry and offended - yes - but it would have been a perfect way to show how a fouled-up dealer can pull off a scam on all of us AR.com guys. It would have been enlightening and justifiable, as no real "crime" would have been commited at all.
However, it wasn't a GD - it was an EqEx. Our EqEx is the "business" portion, for lack of better terminology, of this fine site. All of the other forums are for advice, questions, comments, rants and raves, bitching, moaning, and learning - but the EqEx is a [i]true[/i] area of commerce that should not be taken lightly or disrespected.
Capt, what you did was not intrinsically bad, and I admire the fact that you won't back down from that opinion. However, the main injustice that was served was the PLACE of the post, not the CONTENT of it. If you made a quick, but sincere apology for doing the wrong thing in the wrong place, then I think people would overlook the incident, and it would enforce the idea that the EqEx, which I've used on 2 or 3 occasions, is tolerant of only professional, non-fraudulant behavior.
Ya F'ked up, you made an error in judgement - we all do sometimes...now you pay your one-time-installment "Idiot Tax" and apologize for the [i]place[/i] the post was made, understanding that it has its own set of rules. Simple as that. We all in agreement?
It hurts being this good...probably because I'm [i]Eee-vil[/i]
[img]www.auburn.edu/~littlcb/E-vil2.jpg[/img]

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I don't understand how fraud can be less of a crime in one forum than another. What difference
does it make where the perp committed his egregious act, a lie in GD is different than a
lie in EQEX??? That's like saying stealing from
the bedroom is worse than stealing from the kitchen during a burglary. AR15.COM is a house with many rooms. You don't SH*t where you live.
Every DUMB animal is aware of this axiom.

Originally Posted By Paul:
What would please you? Public stoning or ritual suicide with a short blade?
The guy made a mistake, tried to apologize and people who didn't get taken in by the poor prank started giving him hell.
"those of you with out sin cast the first stone" Oh hell, that's not going to work. Just give the guy a break will 'ya?
If the reaction for the racial and child porno and bondage post here a few months ago was half this intense I'd be more happy.

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Paul -
To the best of my recollection, this is not the first time that C. O. has behaved in this manner. It certainly seems to be a pattern of behavior, based on some of his previous posts. Why should the members give him another break, just so he can continue with this obnoxious behavior?
BTW, I did not get taken in with the BetaMag post, as I recall what the cost at the original L.E. prices.

Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
I don't understand how fraud can be less of a crime in one forum than another. What difference
does it make where the perp committed his egregious act, a lie in GD is different than a
lie in EQEX??? That's like saying stealing from
the bedroom is worse than stealing from the kitchen during a burglary. AR15.COM is a house with many rooms. You don't SH*t where you live.
Every DUMB animal is aware of this axiom.

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I stick with my prevous statements. I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake on his part, because it was. I'm simply saying that the EqEx. has it's own set of "implicit" rules that should be followed. Maybe we should make these guidelines "explicit" so other dumb animals don't shit on their territory - McDonalds put a label on hot coffee due to a specifically for future breakouts of dumb animals, so this should be step #1 in making sure this never happens again.
Furthermore, almost everybody and their mother has shit on the GD forums on at least one occasion. Porn, nudity, and general lewdness is rampant...any Joe AR15.com Schmoe could relay that. Bickering, fighting, slandering of [i]other members[/i] during discussions - when not done on the board itself, a crap is often taken on the inhabitants therein every waking moment. This was just a bigger dump on a larger number of people (from their point of view of course - CO thought he was just joking). While you may have a problem with the context of the post, I have a concern with the etiquette of where it was posted - on a [i]business level[/i] of AR15.com. We both feel that the post was a misjustice to us in some way. As for why, I think we can both agree to disagree.
[brown]Evil Jewbroni~[/brown]
P.S. - Let's try and keep this civil as much as possible guys. Repeated shitting on somebody who shitted on you does nothing but add more to the mountain of feces. Besides, we've already had 2 posts locked, so let's make the 3rd time a charm.

a small request from myself guys.if we start to resort to personnel insult,the subject who's behavior we are attempting to modify may not respond to treatment and all will be lost.he may yet be rehabilitated to the point were we can release him back into the wild.mmk...[:D]

Originally Posted By madman kirk:
a small request from myself guys.if we start to resort to personnel insult,the subject who's behavior we are attempting to modify may not respond to treatment and all will be lost.he may yet be rehabilitated to the point were we can release him back into the wild.mmk...[:D]

Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
I don't understand how fraud can be less of a crime in one forum than another. What difference
does it make where the perp committed his egregious act, a lie in GD is different than a
lie in EQEX??? That's like saying stealing from
the bedroom is worse than stealing from the kitchen during a burglary. AR15.COM is a house with many rooms. You don't SH*t where you live.
Every DUMB animal is aware of this axiom.

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I stick with my prevous statements. I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake on his part, because it was. I'm simply saying that the EqEx. has it's own set of "implicit" rules that should be followed. Maybe we should make these guidelines "explicit" so other dumb animals don't shit on their territory - McDonalds put a label on hot coffee due to a specifically for future breakouts of dumb animals, so this should be step #1 in making sure this never happens again.
Furthermore, almost everybody and their mother has shit on the GD forums on at least one occasion. Porn, nudity, and general lewdness is rampant...any Joe AR15.com Schmoe could relay that. Bickering, fighting, slandering of [i]other members[/i] during discussions - when not done on the board itself, a crap is often taken on the inhabitants therein every waking moment. This was just a bigger dump on a larger number of people (from their point of view of course - CO thought he was just joking). While you may have a problem with the context of the post, I have a concern with the etiquette of where it was posted - on a [i]business level[/i] of AR15.com. We both feel that the post was a misjustice to us in some way. As for why, I think we can both agree to disagree.
[brown]Evil Jewbroni~[/brown]

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Sub MOA at 25 yds. and your Apologies for this
"Joker" as you call him tend to lower your
veracity quotient.

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Regarding last night’s thread, it was intended to be a joke. However, I do apologize to those of you who I angered, or who feel “cheated”. Just so you know, I purposely said my email account was disabled for the sole reason that you, the buyer would not send me any personal information. That should count for something.
I also think last night’s thread brought several things into perspective. Like how easy it would be for a real scam artist to rip you off. We can all learn from this.
For those of you who wish to ban me (DavidXX??), if you can get 50 people on these forums who wish me to leave, I will delete my account, and not sign up for any new ones.
Best wishes,
Captain Obvious
[ Edited By CAPTAIN OBVIOUS on 7/7/2001 2:38:47 PM ]

Here's another quip from the Cap'n Sanctimonious:
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"Then don't believe me, SHUT UP, AND KEEP IT TO YOURSELF."
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Just IMAGINE hearing this from him after you sent him funds for the Holy Betas.
Guess we should really be grateful [to him?] for hearing it under different circunstances!!
Still, you're a small man for not apologizing. You are blacklisted among black riflemen.

Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Sub MOA at 25 yds. and your Apologies for this
"Joker" as you call him tend to lower your
veracity quotient.

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Ouch, calling me a LIAR now. OK then, aparantly we CAN'T agree to disagree (which is a bit of a catch-22, but I'll appease you).
-Sub MOA at 25 yards is under .25". I've put repeated (i.e. more than one or two occassions) near-single holes with two shots. Doesn't happen often, but it has happened.
-I never apologized for his actions, they were deplorable. He's a kid, and he'll grow up and learn what he did was wrong -he's sticking to his guns about this, which is admirable, but also very stubborn. Kids do that crap [:\]
-I am not defending him, nor am I condoning his actions. We both feel that this was an injustice, I just have more "emotional ties" to the EqEx, so my beef comes from that level. You're welcome and expected to take a different, though equally leveled, disappointment value on this.
By the way, don't *hint hint* at whether you think I'm telling the truth or not. If you don't believe me, come out and say it, but don't be subliminal. I'll defer any type of other comments now in the name of civility, but make similar gestures to me again - and the gloves come off.
We're in the same boat, so chill.
Jewbroni~

Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Sub MOA at 25 yds. and your Apologies for this
"Joker" as you call him tend to lower your
veracity quotient.

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Ouch, calling me a LIAR now. OK then, aparantly we CAN'T agree to disagree (which is a bit of a catch-22, but I'll appease you).
-Sub MOA at 25 yards is under .25". I've put repeated (i.e. more than one or two occassions) near-single holes with two shots. Doesn't happen often, but it has happened.
-I never apologized for his actions, they were deplorable. He's a kid, and he'll grow up and learn what he did was wrong -he's sticking to his guns about this, which is admirable, but also very stubborn. Kids do that crap [:\]
-I am not defending him, nor am I condoning his actions. We both feel that this was an injustice, I just have more "emotional ties" to the EqEx, so my beef comes from that level. You're welcome and expected to take a different, though equally leveled, disappointment value on this.
By the way, don't *hint hint* at whether you think I'm telling the truth or not. If you don't believe me, come out and say it, but don't be subliminal. I'll defer any type of other comments now in the name of civility, but make similar gestures to me again - and the gloves come off.
We're in the same boat, so chill.
Jewbroni~

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Jew -
First, I'm not calling you a liar, but didn't you make the sub MOA at 25 yards comment about a Sig 9mm? In a post of favorite handguns or next handgun to purchase, etc. just recently? If that is the case, then the bullet, which is .355 would have a heck of a time making a .25 hole, right?

Not at all. As a matter of fact, it's possible to have a group size SMALLER than the diameter of the bullet, since you are measuring center-to-center, not edge-to-edge. Theoretically, the smallest group size would be zero.

"The M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." General George S. Patton Jr.,US Army

Gentlemen-
Read the post closely, he does not say groups...he says holes. A single 9MM hole is larger than .25. It's first on page 2 of TAC-GIRL'S "Thinking about a new duty weapon" post. Besides, I'm not hammering him, I'm just pulling his chain. We all make these type of goofs from time to time...
[X]
Just like I can't spell goofs and it comes out as goffs

Jewbronis veracity is not in question here, Captain Underpants's is. He says it was just a joke, but somehow, with the feeble excuse for an apology, I get a funny feeling in my stomach that it might have been something else going on.
YMMV.

Beachboy, I cleared it up saying, that after measuring, I probably was shooting MOA, not [b]SUB[/b]-MOA shots (only 2 shots, not "groups" or anything...that would be unreal).
And you count the distance between the [i]middle[/i] of the bullets. So 1/2 the diameter of the .40cal bullet would be about 1/5 of an inch. The next bullet's diameter would be well inside that of the previous, making the holes look like a Figure-8. If I had to make a reading, then they would probably be close to .33" apart, and not