Kay Adams: "Giants over-hyping Saquon Barkley"

I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.

Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?

^This. His presence isn't just about his numbers. He should also help the WRs (and Eli). To that end, one thing to look at will be Beckham's yard/rec numbers. He averaged 14.3 y/r as a rookie and then 15.1 y/r in 2015 before dropping to 13.5 and 12.1 the last 2 seasons (granted last season doesn't really count). So with a little less focus on him, can Beckham get back up to 14.5-15.0 y/r?

An extra 1.0-1.5 y/r may not seem like a lot, but that's an extra 100-150 yards over the season and could be the difference between extending some drives and punting.

from his peers than anything else. Gurley, Fournette and Elliott all had over 1000 yards rushing their rookie season. I expect that, at the very least.

It might be unfair, but they drafted him over a QB. And we know that RBs traditionally have about an 8-10 year window and tend to have immediate impacts. So where he was drafted and who he was drafted over as well as what other comparable picks have done in the league lead me to these expectations.

I think Gettleman has over-hyped Barkley. "Touched by the hand of God" and all. The media has run with that statement and others - especially the media that thought they were foolish to draft Barkley instead of one of the QBs. The media (with help from Gettleman) are making the first year expectations so high that there will be little chance Barkley can live up to it. Then the 'experts' will be telling us how right they were that the Giants should have taken a QB. I have watched enough ESPN shows and read enough Giants articles to see it coming....

I am able to judge what I see on the field, also taking into account the team and coaching aspects that can sometimes negatively or positively affect overall production (see Eli Manning). I do expect Barkley to be a playmaker and matchup nightmare from day 1 though.

And right away you could just see things were different with him out there. Yes, his career did not quite live up to that initial promise, but especially in that first year there was a spark the moment he stepped on the field and the offense was immediately on a different level.

With the Giants selecting a RB with the second over all pick, passing up on the potential franchise signal caller for the best player in the draft, you expect to see the offense on an all together different level, day 1.

over-hyped their rookies.
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.

He has been hyped so much for so long, anything short of the best season ever by an NFL RB will cause many to be disappointed. I expect that he will become just as polarizing a figure with Giants fans as Eli was.

Fans will spend less time discussing the 3 TDs he might score in a game and talk about how he came up short on that 3rd down in the 1st quarter as the reason they lost 24-21.

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

over-hyped their rookies.
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.

Our Oline has some work to just get to ordinary. Couple that with a new coach and scheme. 1200 yards is reasonable, but i agree that the "hype train" needs to be walked back a bit for the sake of the player.

100% agree with this. Forcing teams to honor the running game will do wonders for the passing game, especially the play action passing. Safteys will be biting hard on the play fake along with LB's and it should make passing lanes open up.

She knows as much about football as Anakim does. She was the in play baseball announcer for Cardinals baseball games not football games before she landed this gig.

Not worried about hyping him, the kid will have no issue dealing with it. I expect him to fall within the top 5 RB's in the league. I would love 8 to 10 rushing Td's and 4 receiving td's and 1,300 rushing yards for the year. He does that he will meet all the hype and Eli will look like he is 30 again.

Anything less than that would be a disappointment because it would have been available for much less money later in the draft. RBs enter the league at or near their prime, this isn't a situation where you need to be patient. He should be close to what he is going to be from the jump.

It's fair as well, he wanted to be drafted as high as possible and he has not shied away from spotlight or pressure. This is what comes with the kind of hype and expectations that got him drafted at 2.

he was touted as exceptional by the news media well pre-draft, and forecast to go first or near to. He did, but the subsequent noise has again come more from the media, including, for example, Sports Illustrated, than from any Giants source. What to reasonably expect, Sy is right, impact of diversification on offense, pressure off Eli and Odell, and not just more rushing but 1500 total yards.

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?

The Giants were excited to get him and DG was gushing over him but every and I mean everyone was saying he was the best person in the draft. The over all consensus was that he was the best prospect since Peyton and Luck and a once in a generation player and that was not just from the Giants. Analysts and players were saying no one compares to him, except of course when the giants took him then people said Ďhow can they take a RB that high. Now, itís the Giants are over hyping them. The media is NEVER happy and they want to paint a negative picture on EVERYTHING. Why?? Because bad press sells

he was touted as exceptional by the news media well pre-draft, and forecast to go first or near to. He did, but the subsequent noise has again come more from the media, including, for example, Sports Illustrated, than from any Giants source. What to reasonably expect, Sy is right, impact of diversification on offense, pressure off Eli and Odell, and not just more rushing but 1500 total yards.

I think that this is pertinent. His number may actually not match up to our dreams or even our expectations. But I would be willing to bet that there will be a lot of hidden numbers.

If Eli or OBJ, or Engram, etc all of the sudden start putting up ridiculous stats, then maybe some of their numbers are actually Barkley's.

It might just be that the way to evaluate Barkley's worth and impact, is to look and see how the offense performs in toto.

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?

This is exactly how I feel. I wanted a QB, didn't happen, so I'm on board with the Barkley pick. I want him to succeed, just like I want Eli to succeed.

we compete for the division and to make the playoffs and Barkley is a big reason why. I think 1200 yards and 10 touchdowns would be a terrific year. He was taken with the #2 overall pick. What are the Giants supposed to say? We picked him #2 because we think he sucks. He has a good head on his shoulders. If he can't handle the expectations and pressures of playing in New York as the #2 pick he shouldn't have been the #2 pick. I think he will handle the pressure fine.

My guess is if we start playing winning football and the disaster of last season starts to be washed from people's memories, if Barkley plays at or near a pro bowl level, people will quickly forget about overly hyped expectations and just be happy he is a Giant.

If next year we have another dismal season (which I don't think will happen), then nothing Barkley does will be good enough.

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?

Moron? Haha. Anyway...

If you're still here then clearly you're not one of the people I'm referring to. There were a lot of posters that popped in a few months before the draft and banged their drum about QB over RB. They stuck around for a week or so after the draft to keep whining and then they disappeared.

(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

This post sucks on a few levels. First off, I was one who was pretty adamant about not drafting a RB at 2. I still feel like it was a bad decision. I haven't really mentioned it since the draft because:

A. I like to root for Giants players to succeed
and
B. I don't want to keep harping on something that is over and I have no control over.

Have I disappeared??? Would you rather I continually post about why I think it's a bad idea? Also, just because the Giants ended up drafting a RB doesn't mean it was the right move. Time will tell.

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