Hello friends.I am a vegetarian, I would be a vegan, because dairy is tech-ni-cal-lyyyy part of the veal industry indirectly, which is bad, but yeah maybe when I move out.

Yeah my reason for being a Pastafarian is that in the I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts the FSM said he wants us to live with love and compassion or something.In my opinion the way animals are killed isn't loving or compassionate and anybody who has ever owned a cat or dog knows that animals are much like people (yes even chickens, my mum used to own one), and they are all deserving of proper treatment.

Well that's my take on it but because this is a religion there's multiple ways it can be interpreted.

While we're on the topic though when I tell some in-my-face Xtian that I believe in a FSM but I don't eat meat and they mock me for it, what should be my response?

PirateMichael wrote:I am a vegetarian, I would be a vegan, because dairy is tech-ni-cal-lyyyy part of the veal industry indirectly, which is bad, but yeah maybe when I move out.

Yeah my reason for being a Pastafarian is that in the I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts the FSM said he wants us to live with love and compassion or something.In my opinion the way animals are killed isn't loving or compassionate and anybody who has ever owned a cat or dog knows that animals are much like people (yes even chickens, my mum used to own one), and they are all deserving of proper treatment.

Dude, my wife would reeeeeeeeeeeeally like you. We were active cat rescuers for years (along with the occasional dog, chicken, pig, mouse, etc.), but now we just care for the ones we kept as "unadoptable" (diabetic, blind, heart problems, eye problems, megacolon, FIV, kidney failure -- we've got them all and then some). There's 35 of them left at this point, though I can only see 16 of them without moving from my seat right now. Mrs. T. is what I call a pity vegetarian, similar to the compassionate idea you put out above. She doesn't have any problem eating fish, eggs, cheese, and the like, but nothing with fur or feathers. I don't personally have a problem with eating meat, but I don't do it often because she objects to having it in the house, and it's not like we don't eat well (burritos of doom again tonight - oy). I don't think there's anything wrong with the way most food animals are killed, it's how they are (usually) forced to live that's the problem. In the wild, a deer has three or four years, maybe a couple more, before it gets injured or sick or something, and then it gets chased in panic until it's exhausted, and ripped apart as it's dying from numerous bite wounds. A beef cow is (theoretically) slaughtered with one quick shot to the brain - blam and done. I'll take the blam and done if I get a choice. But I don't get too worked up over it generally.

PirateMichael wrote:While we're on the topic though when I tell some in-my-face Xtian that I believe in a FSM but I don't eat meat and they mock me for it, what should be my response?

I'm not sure what they're mocking you for. Is it that they can't reconcile FSMism and vegetarianism because the FSM has meatballs? Just tell them that the FSM is not anywhere near as demanding and jealous as their god, and that He really doesn't care what you do as long as you're nice to others. If they're mocking you for being a vegetarian in general, ask them how their cholesterol and blood pressure are. If they're mocking you for being a Pastafarian, ask them how that jibes with loving their neighbor, and forgiving you for being different (23rd psalm stuff). If they're mocking you just to be dickheads, tell them about freedom of religion.

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PirateMichael wrote:While we're on the topic though when I tell some in-my-face Xtian that I believe in a FSM but I don't eat meat and they mock me for it, what should be my response?

Any suggestions?

Well, since Pirates are his chosen people, and a pirate ought to spend the bulk of his or her time at sea, where no cattle will roam, (and while there, preferably plundering, not fishing...) -- we could conclude that a pastafarian ought only to eat meat that is rotten and/or worm infested...

Well, all is not good, of course. I firmly believe there is a basis for morality (which is not religious, by the way).

However, my purpose wasn't to base serious ethical reasoning on FSM theology, but to justify my personal morality with random made-up scriptural references. And on that note, I doubt that any pirate worth his or her salt would bring a bunch of cows on a ship...

most of my diet is veggie with poultry and fish added - get it,- I do not eat PKMKll's lovely brisket or Ham's ham of she makes it

get sooooo sick and tired of many of the meat eating people who know me never, ever counting me in when they cook the meat part of a meal --"did not grill you a chicken breast because you do not eat meat". They invited me so seems rude to say - would have. Have mentioned many, many times the meat I do eat and when I cook for others I eat the meat I cook in front of them and at restaurants with them. It just seems easier for most people to label you all one way or the other. .....not

okay - done, put in food thread --because it seems more appropriate

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"How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.'" - Carl Sagan

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - Henri Poincaré