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I hope you are right, however, I just read a poll from Mississippi that said Gingrich was leading.

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I read in Kansas 50% more republican votes came out to vote in the caucuses than in 2008. I think that makes a statement in and of itself.

The big concern for me is "Will Gingrich drop out before it's too late?" if not my hope is that enough voters will see that he should have dropped out and has no chance so won't throw away their votes on him which only end up giving Mitt an undeserved advantage.

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Won't mean much (that Gingrich is dropping out.) Romney will be the nominee and lose in November. It's been this way since last September. No major opposition ever arose to truly challenge him.

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I think you are right. Speaking honestly, the idiot Republicans learned nothing from the 2008 election when they nominated McCain, a liberal. Obama won Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. This time, not only are they nominating a liberal, they are adding the ingredients of non-Christian, pro abortion rights, and pro gay rights. I do not think anyone has noticed past the primaries, but think of Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, and South Carolina. These states are all in play in an Obama-Romney race. First of all, there is a very high percentage of black Americans in each of these states. Among the white voters, many will not tolerate a Mormon being President, or will not tolerate a Republican who is pro abortion, gay rights, gun control, and government health care, and if not vote for Obama, stay home. These are states that are always solid Republican. Obama carries Alabama and Mississippi, that would be the irony of all times. The only thing that will save Romney in the interior western states is the low percentage of non white vote. Places like Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma have no use for Romney either.

I still hope Santorum wins the nomination, but short of that, the Republicans deserve exactly what they get. They did not gain one bit of smarts from four years ago.

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I think you are right. Speaking honestly, the idiot Republicans learned nothing from the 2008 election when they nominated McCain, a liberal. Obama won Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. This time, not only are they nominating a liberal, they are adding the ingredients of non-Christian, pro abortion rights, and pro gay rights. I do not think anyone has noticed past the primaries, but think of Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, and South Carolina. These states are all in play in an Obama-Romney race. First of all, there is a very high percentage of black Americans in each of these states. Among the white voters, many will not tolerate a Mormon being President, or will not tolerate a Republican who is pro abortion, gay rights, gun control, and government health care, and if not vote for Obama, stay home. These are states that are always solid Republican. Obama carries Alabama and Mississippi, that would be the irony of all times. The only thing that will save Romney in the interior western states is the low percentage of non white vote. Places like Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma have no use for Romney either.

I still hope Santorum wins the nomination, but short of that, the Republicans deserve exactly what they get. They did not gain one bit of smarts from four years ago.

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I think if Romney holds his edge and becomes the nominee, things COULD hinge on the result of the SCOTUS vote on Obamacare. If they judge that it's unconstitutional, I think that the bulk of the more conservative voters might stay home. If they rule that it is constitutional, I think more will probably hold their nose and vote for Romney with his promise to repeal Obamacare in mind. Of course, with that said, we need to remember that Romney sways with the wind, so his promise is worth....?????? , and that there is a significant number who will not be able to vote for him no matter what due to his religion, and/or his record on life/abortion and his refusal to sign the Prolife/Personhood pledge.

Santorum's not a reasonable candidate, never had been. Listen, I'm not a fan of Romney and won't be voting for either party come November if he's the nominee. But Santorum's not serious, he can't stand on his own two feet half the time. At least Gingrich has stopped beating down Romney and accepted defeat.

The sound of inevitability is moving this race. Who cares, I'm doing something else for the next five years. Wake me when its over.

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I still hope Santorum wins the nomination, but short of that, the Republicans deserve exactly what they get. They did not gain one bit of smarts from four years ago.

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Santorum's a lightweight. He doesn't have the cred with the voters who matter and would get smoked by President Obama come November. Romney might fare better, but...but I'd check the polling from state to state rather than popular vote. President Obama has almost all the electoral college he needs out of the gate regardless of RNC candidate. Why do you think his team has been kicking their feet up on the desk and smoking victory cigars since January.

Perry had a shot, if he had been credible but we all saw what happened. If Bloomberg or Christie had gotten in the race it would have been a different story. However the RNC field never expanded beyond the seven dwarfs that we had after Labor Day.

President Obama has been sailing to a victory since then. And he knows it too.

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I think if Romney holds his edge and becomes the nominee, things COULD hinge on the result of the SCOTUS vote on Obamacare. If they judge that it's unconstitutional, I think that the bulk of the more conservative voters might stay home. If they rule that it is constitutional, I think more will probably hold their nose and vote for Romney with his promise to repeal Obamacare in mind.

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This is some great insight. It really would be about one of maybe two or three things that could swing a victory towards the RNC.

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Santorum's a lightweight. He doesn't have the cred with the voters who matter and would get smoked by President Obama come November. Romney might fare better, but...but I'd check the polling from state to state rather than popular vote. President Obama has almost all the electoral college he needs out of the gate regardless of RNC candidate. Why do you think his team has been kicking their feet up on the desk and smoking victory cigars since January.

Perry had a shot, if he had been credible but we all saw what happened. If Bloomberg or Christie had gotten in the race it would have been a different story. However the RNC field never expanded beyond the seven dwarfs that we had after Labor Day.

President Obama has been sailing to a victory since then. And he knows it too.

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Although we disagree about Santorum, I basically agree with the rest. Santorum is good compared to the rest. What I agree with you on is the point about the Republicans. After the clobbering they took in 2008, they continue to nominate the same people, only in 2012, far worse. It is like the person who keeps hitting themselves with a hammer because it feels so good when you stop, except the Republicans have never stopped. Without a radical intervention, this will be another number in the list of 1960, 1964, 1976, 1992, 1996, and 2008. I have to wonder what goes through the minds of voters who supported people like Romney and lose every time, then, on top of that, never learn a thing.

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Santorum's a lightweight. He doesn't have the cred with the voters who matter and would get smoked by President Obama come November.

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How is Santorum a lightweight? Romney out-spent Santorum 4-1 in Ohio and won by only 10,000 votes or 0.8% more votes, and that on the strength of votes in the Cleveland and Cincinnati areas. Santorum was leading in Ohio up until the full results from Cleveland were counted.

In Romney's home state of Michigan, Romney only carried one county by greater than 50% of the vote, affluent Oakland county, where Mittens grew up. Mittens also won Wayne county (home of Detroit), the county where he was born, by 10,000 votes. Take away these two counties and Santorum would have won Michigan.

If Gingrich had dropped out prior to Super Tuesday, the only states that Romney would have won that night would have been Vermont, Massachusetts, and Virginia (Santorum was not on the ballot.) In Virginia, 40.5% of voters went with Ron Paul, essentially saying they'd rather not vote for Romney, as Paul's primary votes are typically in 10% to 15% of the vote.

Romney appeals to urban voters, many of whom are moderates. This is the same demographic that Obama already has sewn up. Romney will lose to Obama because they share a lot of the same voting base. What the country needs is a real choice, a real contrast in candidates. Santorum is definitely a higher contrast candidate to Obama than Romney would present.

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I love the way things are shaping up in Mississippi and Alabama: Rick, Newt, then Mitt in last place (I don't count Paul anymore ) ...couldn't ask for more than it to finish this way!!! Except Newt may be encouraged to stay in with strong second finishes. When I heard record numbers were coming out to vote I suspected this might be a sign that people are coming out to stop Mitt from happening. :smilewinkgrin:

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I love the way things are shaping up in Mississippi and Alabama: Rick, Newt, then Mitt in last place (I don't count Paul anymore ) ...couldn't ask for more than it to finish this way!!! Except Newt may be encouraged to stay in with strong second finishes. When I heard record numbers were coming out to vote I suspected this might be a sign that people are coming out to stop Mitt from happening. :smilewinkgrin:

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Mitt happens.............to have lost Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Colorado, Kansas, Tennessee, and almost lost Ohio, Michigan, and Florida despite outspending of four to one.

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