That's the opinion of another moderator, actually. Are they an actual metal band, or just an Evanescence soundalike?

Don't waste your time, they're not even remotely metal and the verses often have the guitars drop out entirely, or play one note/chord per measure while the keyboards/vocals take the lead. Most of the music has no guitar riffing. The production is thick, it's basically Finnish keyboard metal with no emphasis on the guitars.

Personally, I'm not even certain if any one bothered to listen to what they had posted. If HB isn't on here, I'd say Within Temptation and Nightwish should both be removed. They sound like Finnish keyboard metal.

Personally, I'm not even certain if any one bothered to listen to what they had posted. If HB isn't on here, I'd say Within Temptation and Nightwish should both be removed. They sound like Finnish keyboard metal.

I'm familiar with the band as I reviewed them a while ago and the samples you linked fit what I said perfectly. That comment was about the production, not the music, and I'm not a site moderator. Morrigan said no, so there's your answer.

Morrigan is just one site monitor. Besides, your description was way off. I highly doubt you listened to them. Again, I would have to contend that if we are to throw them out, then we should also have to throw Nightwish and Within Temptation out as well.

Why don't take a peek at the main page, click on my username under almost any post? I mean, okay, you're new here, but I fail to see how one could be so clueless.

Early Within Temptation is clearly metal, and so was Nightwish, and they sound nothing like this tripe. Also, are the words "case closed" too complicated for you? Because I honestly can't find simpler ones. "Thick as a castle wall..."

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Von Cichlid wrote:

I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:

a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Fine. I am using my profile from now on to case my opinions. I think this site is more moving close to a "allowing just about anything" site and away from a "metal archive". You also encouraged me to start a blog critiquing some conclusions that I find highly objectionable.

Start a blog over a rejection? Damn, that's what I call determination! Good luck in earning a living on that one, or if it's just a hobby, I hope you have fun while putting down time in that when you could do something more constructive.

Um, no. The "exact proof" I was talking about is that if we allow one band and disallow another that sounds heavier or equivalent, then we can just allow anything. This is the problem with gothic metal variations. Some of them are actually really not metal at all (Nightwish, HB, Within Temptation (sounds like Kittie on their first album)).

I find blogging to be quite relaxing at times. It allows my opinions to go out where any one can see it. Also allows for me to criticize things with my own voice. I also find it easier to argue for the genuine vs. fake metalness of bands doing that (ie - comparing SOAD with Iron Maiden). I do feel I know more about what metal is than a lot of people. I'd say I'd know more than everyone (it sounds arrogant but it can't be if it's true).

Um, no. The "exact proof" I was talking about is that if we allow one band and disallow another that sounds heavier or equivalent, then we can just allow anything. This is the problem with gothic metal variations. Some of them are actually really not metal at all (Nightwish, HB, Within Temptation (sounds like Kittie on their first album)).

1) None of those bands are gothic metal. Nightwish is symphonicpowermetal, early Within Temptation was doomysymphonicmetal (and became lighter/more rock-ish later). You must be one of those clueless idiots who think having violins and/or a female singer makes a band "gothic metal". -_- Here'sgothicmetal.2) Within Temptation sounds like... Kittie? Are you for real?3) HB isn't "heavier" than those bands.4) What part of "case closed" don't you get?5) You're a whelp who knows nothing. The sooner you realize that, the faster you'll grow up.

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Von Cichlid wrote:

I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:

a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

If the guy could tell us he witnessed the rise and fall of several subgenres in the metal spectrum he would have a point. He was born too late to witness the rise of Metallica, only the fall. He never witnessed the rise of Death Metal. He came about when Death Angel were already named The Organization and he claims to know more about Metal than most of us who have been around longer and DID witness these events (or even the rise and fall of NWOBHM).Furthermore he probably didn't even look at Morrigan's profile since he stated that:

StarGazer007 wrote:

Fine. I am using my profile from now on to case my opinions.

. He probably doesn't even know that she is the site Owner.How thick can one be?

Also I forgot to bring up Vorvadoss up after the rejection.I really believe they should get a second listen, they are Doom/Black Metal with experimental hardcore punk influences bit mainly Doom Metal and Black Metal. Saw them live a few years ago. They also have a live album but asI only own the demo though.

@miasma_vienna: I understand what you're saying, but as a digital-only band 11 minutes with three songs is simply too short by our standards. I agree that it is very professional and serious from what I gleaned. I tried to take that into account when I rejected it. Still, a band with that little released original material (and that material also not being physical) at this point doesn't quite cut it. Please understand that accepting EPs in any form is rather the exception than the norm, as we prefer digital full-lengths, and when an EP gets accepted it's usually around 20 minutes long, 15 at the very least. I don't want to stress the numbers too much here, we're of course not into the business of assigning arbitrary values to any specific numbers, but there's gotta be a semblance of a line somewhere.

I'd wait until you guys have another release out and then resubmit (another EP like that and it would be no problem, for instance). Seems like you are getting a good amount of positive feedback, so that's probably only a matter of time anyway.

working already on the new stuff - will take you at your word later this year......