I am probably crazy for saying this, but there is no way I would trade George Hill for Rubio.

Sigh

10-23-2012, 01:02 PM

Trader Joe

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Rondo should be above Parker at this point in their careers IMO. I think you can make the argument Rondo should be over Westbrook depending on what style you prefer. I think Nash is about where he should be.

10-23-2012, 01:18 PM

Sollozzo

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Rondo over Williams too.

10-23-2012, 01:21 PM

LG33

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

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Originally Posted by joew8302

I am probably crazy for saying this, but there is no way I would trade George Hill for Rubio.

You must be talking about fit, because talent-wise I don't think there's much of a debate. Regardless, I think I'd still take Rubio, despite his flawed defensive game.

10-23-2012, 01:21 PM

Eleazar

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

You know for all the hype PG's get anymore, I believe the only PG on that list with a championship is Parker, and he has probably never been better than the third best player on his team.

10-23-2012, 01:23 PM

Eleazar

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneGranger33

You must be talking about fit, because talent-wise I don't think there's much of a debate. Regardless, I think I'd still take Rubio, despite his flawed defensive game.

Actually I think you could make a good case that Hill is a better all-around player than Rubio is. I mean Hill obviously isn't a better PG, but I do think there is an argument to be made he is a better player.

10-23-2012, 01:25 PM

LG33

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar

You know for all the hype PG's get anymore, I believe the only PG on that list with a championship is Parker, and he has probably never been better than the third best player on his team.

Rondo has a championship ring too - but you could argue that Rondo was the 4th best Celtic at the time.

10-23-2012, 01:25 PM

vnzla81

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

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Originally Posted by Peck

Over who?

Here is my list:

1 CP3, best point guard in the NBA for sure but his defense is decent.

2 Rondo, I think he is second best because of the whole package, great defense, great passing, decent scorer.

3 Dwill, he should be the best point guard but sometimes he doesn't play like it.

4 Westbrook, amazing player that can do many things, he needs to get better at making his teammates better.

5 Nash.

6 Parker.

7 Kyrie

8 Lawson

9 Wall

10 Rubio/Rose, they are both hurt so I don't even know why they are on the list? we don't even know if Rose is even playing this year.

10-23-2012, 01:27 PM

pacer4ever

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

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Originally Posted by Trader Joe

Rondo should be above Parker at this point in their careers IMO. I think you can make the argument Rondo should be over Westbrook depending on what style you prefer. I think Nash is about where he should be.

I totally disagree about Tony Parker below Rondo for now. Parker was in the MVP discussion last year IMO(obviously LBJ was the and deserved it but Parker was top 5 IMO) I don't know if he got votes but he should of. Rondo may pass him this year but these rankings have to take last year into account in a huge way and if anything TP is underrated. He is the player who makes the Spurs tick he plays when the older guys rest and he leads them to wins in those games.

And yes whoever said they wouldn't trade Hill for Rubio you answered your own question your loco but I like the team spirit:)

10-23-2012, 01:40 PM

Eleazar

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneGranger33

Rondo has a championship ring too - but you could argue that Rondo was the 4th best Celtic at the time.

I'd go:
1-CP3 (Best all-around package. Scores/distributes/finishes/jumpers)
2-Rose (Unless you don't count injured guys, then move him off obviously)
3-Rondo (Best passer left in the game, best defender on this list...and probably the worst offensively. Get a jumper, move above Rose.)
4-Parker (Can't argue with his results. Scores and distributes very well.)
5-D-Will (We'll see. This guy has certainly been more flash than substance of late, now is his time.)
6-Nash (Shooting/distributing. Literally the opposite of Rondo, just a step or two slower)
7-Westbrook (Best of the SG's playing PG on this list)
8-Kyrie (Will rocket up this list IMO. Incredible potential.)

Don't see the significance of ranking guys after 8 as it becomes more of a wash IMO.

10-23-2012, 01:47 PM

LG33

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Actually I think you could make a good case that Hill is a better all-around player than Rubio is. I mean Hill obviously isn't a better PG, but I do think there is an argument to be made he is a better player.

If you're open to it, I'd like you to make that argument. Clearly, I don't agree with that assessment, so I'd like to see it from you point of view.

10-23-2012, 01:58 PM

hackashaq

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneGranger33

You must be talking about fit, because talent-wise I don't think there's much of a debate. Regardless, I think I'd still take Rubio, despite his flawed defensive game.

you mean flawed offensive game? shooting and such. his defense is pretty close to awesome.

10-23-2012, 02:11 PM

LG33

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

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Originally Posted by hackashaq

you mean flawed offensive game? shooting and such. his defense is pretty close to awesome.

His on-ball defense? I mean, he's no D.J. Augustin, but he has a tendency to be beaten off the dribble from what I've seen and I don't think he's not strong enough to bang with the bigger point guards just yet. I would imagine - though I haven't seen too much of him to be honest - that he's more of a passing lanes gambler (like Larry Hughes) than a lock-down defender. I will admit that his defense is probably underrated and his offense overrated, but I don't think it's time to flip the script as you've done.

His on-ball defense? I mean, he's no D.J. Augustin, but he has a tendency to be beaten off the dribble from what I've seen and I don't think he's not strong enough to bang with the bigger point guards just yet. I would imagine - though I haven't seen too much of him to be honest - that he's more of a passing lanes gambler (like Larry Hughes) than a lock-down defender. I will admit that his defense is probably underrated and his offense overrated, but I don't think it's time to flip the script as you've done.

i think he's awesome at keeping his man in front of him, actually. Plus he's much bigger, longer and smarter than most point guards and uses it to his advantage defensively. And high energy level.

10-23-2012, 02:31 PM

LG33

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

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Originally Posted by hackashaq

i'm not flipping scripts there btw, i was just wondering why you singled out his defense.

What I meant by that is that the story on Rubio has been that he's an asset on offense but a burden on defense. Maybe this narrative has changed, but I would imagine most criticisms of Rubio would still begin by attacking his man defense. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that Eleazar has concerns about Rubio's defense because he would rather have George Hill - a guy whose defense is often praised as his best strength at the point.

10-23-2012, 02:37 PM

xBulletproof

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Rondo is one of the few players in the NBA with physical and mental toughness in the neighborhood of Michael Jordan. He certainly doesn't have the game on the level of Jordan, but he simply doesn't accept losing. He wills his team to wins, even with one arm. I think there's a lot to be said for that. In the playoffs his focus and game is ****ing razor sharp. Last year he averaged 17 points, 12 assists, 7 rebounds and 2 steals in the playoffs in 19 games.

There aren't many players I'd pick ahead of Rondo in the NBA, let alone just at the PG position. He'd probably be my number 2 choice at PG.

10-23-2012, 02:42 PM

hackashaq

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneGranger33

What I meant by that is that the story on Rubio has been that he's an asset on offense but a burden on defense. Maybe this narrative has changed, but I would imagine most criticisms of Rubio would still begin by attacking his man defense. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that Eleazar has concerns about Rubio's defense because he would rather have George Hill - a guy whose defense is often praised as his best strength at the point.

i see. well, he was always a very good defender. I guess there were worries about how his athleticism level will translate. But he's been impressive so far.

10-23-2012, 02:53 PM

Major Cold

Re: Top NBA point guards SI.com

Seriously I am actually shocked that Rondo was out of the top 3, let alone top 5. He may have glaring weaknesses, and he can take a night off. But the dude killed it in the playoffs for 2 straight years.