The Hungarian Noble Council (Palatine Council,Nádori Tanács) was founded in Budapest in january of 2008 by the leaders of Hungarian Noble Association (member of the CILANE,CILANE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and The CILANE web site :: CILANE.eu ::).
Since then the council has had no chairman , but in this year or next year will be a chairman, a palatine (nádor). In the history the Hungarian palatine was the assistant of the king (vice-king,mainly in noble cases) and the palatine was elected by the nobility.

Some people think (or know) that the Palatine will be from the Habsburg-Lothringen family.

The Laczkfi family is a noble family from Hungary , which ruled (as Vajda,viceroy) Transylvania in the 14th century. The Laczkfi was the wealthiest family in 14th century Hungary, owning much of what is today Northern Croatia, Eastern Slovenia, and Western Hungary. The family also gave bans (viceroys) to Croatia, Slavonia, Dalmatia, and Bulgaria, Palatines to Hungary, princes (knez) to Zadar, as well as a viceroy to Naples. They held the dynastic title of Prince. (????)

The Laczkfi family is the descendant of Hermann v. Nuremberg (Nürnberg?),who came to Hungary in 996 with Gisela of Bavaria (Chronicles tell this story,but it is more likely that Hermann came later. Hermann's descendants (male line): Makray de Felpestes,Mézes de Debreczen,Mézes de Várad,Mézessy de Mézes ,Laczkfi de Kerekegyház, Árokközy,Hídvégi families.

The L. family died out in the XV.century. However there is a Lackovic (=Lackfi= son of Lack) family in Croatia (Peter was Noble Judge of Križevci County in 1513.)
Their titles (were):
Prince of Zadar (?)
Count of San Severino
Count of Serra
Count of Zagorje
Lord of Nürnberg (?)

Offices:
Palatine of Hungary
Ban of Dalmatia,Slavonia,Bulgaria,Macsó
Vajda of Transylvania
Viceroy of Naples
Count of Székelys
Count of 10-15 counties (megye) in Hungary

I just wonder how to use Hungarian noble names abroad, especially in English speaking countries, in order to indicate your noble status, but without being too pretentious. And how to deal with the Western-Hungarian name order problem. (In Hun garian fisrt comes the territorial designations, then title, then surname and then given names.) Also, should we translate the rank/title e.g. Gróf-Count? For example, let's use a fictional, but typical name:

hátszeghi és rétközi gróf Hátszeghy László

It could beeither
Count László Hátszeghy de Hátszegh et Rétköz

or keeping the Hungarian way but put given name first:

Lászlóhátszeghi és rétközi gróf Hátszeghy

However these variations above are too long and would complicate eveyrday life. So please tell me which one would you use of the list below.

László gróf Hátszeghy or
László Gróf Hátszeghy (Would English speakers recognize that gróf/Gróf is a title like Graf in German? And if yes, with upper or lower case?)

Or would you use only one territorial designation, but which one? That one which basically repeats your surname or the different one?

László Hátszeghy de Hátszegh orLászló Hátszeghy de Rétköz

or would use just a German or Latin/French nobility prefix, which sometimes are used with a surname, but in my opinion a bit alien to the Hungarian naming system:

I am not an expert on Hungarian nobiliary practice, and I am not entirely sure if the status of nobility was legally abolished in Hungary as it was in Austria in 1919, but generally the mainstream European custom persists. The majority of the Magyar nobility do not hold comital or princely titles: of course there are many exceptions.

Cognizance of nobility would be the prefix baron, count, prince as in general European tradition. The fact that surname precedes Christian name is of little importance. If an Hungarian gentleman or lady is an hereditary noble without titular designation this is signified by the addition of followed by their territorial designation. As Latin and French were prefered over German among the landed elites it is perhaps more proper to address the person as, for example, Janos Agoston de Hatszeghy. This signifying that he is a noble of the Magyars without a "title"; but of course the de Hatszeghy in this case is the noble title. I trust I have not confused anyone!

Does anybody have any information on the Roskovanyi noble family from Roskovany, Hungary (now Rozkovany, Slovakia). I am interested more on the family in the 1700's and the early 1800's. There might be a connection to Austrian nobility.

Hello, Have you ever heard of the Hungarian noble family name of Roskovanyi? There is several coat of arms for the Roskovanyi name and some of them look ancient. They lived in Roskovany, Hungary (now called Rozkovany, Slovakia).

What information do you have on your family tree? I am descended from the Roskovanyi family. Roman Catholic church records mentions my Roskovanyi ancestors as Hungarian nobles. The church records I have is from the late 1700's and the 1800's.

On 30 October József Daka of the Árpád dynasty officialy submitted a claim to the Hungarian parliament and declared himself to be the legitimate crowned king of Hungary.

Daka claims that in the 13th century during the Mongol invasion of Hungary, King Béla IV. gave his daughter in marriage to Mongol khagan Kadan and he descends from this marriage. There is no historical evidence that ever a daughter of King Béla married Kadan.

According to Daka in 1944 he as a child was secretly crowned with the Holy Crown of Hungary by regent Miklós Horthy and Cardinal Jusztinián Serédi.

Historians dismiss his lineage and the coronation alike, but Daka apparently has some popularity.

He styles himself Joseph I, although Hungary already had Joseph I and Joseph II as well.

Dr. Péter Boross, the former PM of Hungary recently has been asked about the new constitution of the country which will be ready for 2011. Boross considered he can imagine that the new constitutional government will be kingdom. Boross is advisory member of the committee preparing the new constitution.

I have been trying to find this out for years. I was always told Hungarian nobility ended in the 1950's, and that titles where abolished. However was told by an old family friend ( His father was a Grof) that, titles can be re-granted by the Hungarian goverment , but the process was extremely complex . I know there are people with in Budapest who still carry there titles .

My own family were nobles in Zala and Vás . Stemming from German Baronets of the time . We were local Lord as well as Land Lords (150km2) So i am interested to find out , if this is really true !

In Hungary there is a law adopted in 1947 during the Soviet occupation of the country that says: titles of nobility are not allowed to be used officially. Some argue that the ban extends to the private use as well, but it is not true.

So, you can't have your title of Gróf (Count) in your passport, but you are free to print business cards using your title.

On the other hand territorial designations can be considered as part of your surname. This is quite similar to the Italian legislation.

For example:

You can't have a passport as Count Péter Esterházy de Galántha (in Hungarian: galánthai gróf Esterházy Péter), but you can as Péter Esterházy de Galántha (in Hungarian: Galánthai-Esterházy Péter)

Good evening to everyone,
Is there any hungarian genealogy-addicted who can help me, please? I'm searching information about an italian family which had an hungarian title. Brivio (Brivius, Brippius), Counts (Grof) of Brokles.
In particular I'm looking for the place Brokles. Italian sources say that it was a County near Belgrade (but in 1708, when the Emperor Of Austria-Hungary gave the family the title it was Kingdom of Hungary), but I haven't found it yet. I also sent mails to the State Archive of Belgrade, but noone knows that place.

Thanks in advance and please forgive some mistakes in the writing,
Marco

I have one quastion conserning the Berke noble familly. The got the title of nobility in 1609 from Mathias II. they were lower nobility and didnt get any high title because they were lutherans. One of the member of this familly was allso secretary of state at the ministry for foregin affairs (Jozsef Berke), many members of Berke familly were members of hungarian parliament in 19. century. I would like to know if they were a part of hungarian nobility before the Habsburg came to power in Hungary. Because 2 villages in Slovenia are named after them - Berkehaza or Berkovci in slovenian language. Berkehaza means house or settlement of Berkes. The weardes thing is that this sattlements were named Berkehaza in 1489!!! so more than 100 years after they were elevated into Habsburg nobility. Is it possible that they were noble before, and the Habsburgs only confirmed their nobility?

Another quastion is concerning Kovats familly. They are suposed to be noble. I dont know where they were from but Kovats Istvan the man that married Iren Berke from the noble Berke familly, was born in Lebeny near Gyor to evangelical/lutheran landowner in 1866. Iren Berke was allso born to lutheran/evangelical landowner Mihaly Berke. So i guess that same status of fathers shows on landed gentry and nobility?

Anyone from hungary familiar with a duchess Farkas? family story states Etel Farkas from Hungary (great grandmother) was either a duchess or descendant of one. Any help is appreciated to quell this family rumor.