Hey guys just a update, its going through a system update then I should be good to go for the system info screen. I dont have cable installed yet for TV so I can't test actual recording (which is why you see U-verse box on my stand) but hopefully Charter will be out here next week. They have to install a new drop first so that part sucks but anything I can do to help I'm more then willing.

You could always set it to Antenna/OTA-only, then put a big custom bent paperclip into the coax center hole.

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If they put a firmware image on there, then it's highly likely it includes everything that's needed to get things going initially... guide data and settings would have defaults and it would get other stuff online from TiVo mothership.

This is what the newer Motorola boxes do. They store the bare minimum on flash and then when you put a new drive in, it will format it and begin download from the head end the software for the box. Its limited to 1TB drive somehow, so putting anything in a Motorola box will only format out 1TB. I hope Tivo didnt do this.

There are some of us that can remember 5.25 full height hard drives, big suckers, all of 80 MB.

I actually remember taking apart an old server that had drives as tall as they were wide (roughly). They were SCSI drives, in raid (IIRC), and the tower was at least 4 feet tall.

Then, only 15 years ago, I actually worked at a place where the drives were single platters, about 2 feet wide, 1/2" thick, and encased in a "pack" that looked like a flying saucer, and weighed about 30 pounds. Each day I had to take one out and install the "scratch pack", which somehow worked as a backup system...

God, do I feel old...

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The EURS drives have the profile that is DVR optimized. However, RED drives have similar "always on, always writing" characteristics.... they are designed for NAS applications.... they also use low power, run cool and are very quiet.

The EURS drives have the profile that is DVR optimized. However, RED drives have similar "always on, always writing" characteristics.... they are designed for NAS applications.... they also use low power, run cool and are very quiet.

IIRC, the RED line has the best warranty, and roughly the same power profile as a "Green" model (if always running), but dual-processors and higher performance, without having to run at high RPMs.

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I have read in the past to avoid Red drives for DVRs and Media Center. I want to say it had something to do with how they handled errors since they were designed for RAID environments.

Now someone needs to try this on the Plus.

In some ways this makes sense. The MSOs can easily repair their units. Also they can easily field upgrade them rather than needing new hardware.

One thing that concerns me a bit is if there is no negative to doing it this way, why doesn't Weaknees have "upgrade" drives ready to go? If they don't do anything different to them, they should be able to just sell bare drives.

They told Zatz

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Self-install kits will be made available once these guys catch their breath and it sounds like the team is hopeful of ultimately offering 4TB drive expansion options.

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I, nooneuknow, hereby foresee a spike in 2 & 3 TB drive sales, along with shortages of the TiVo Roamio (basic), and a sudden price shift in the other models.

Either that, or TiVo will quickly start limiting the size the drive will yield, by modifying their servers/software, before too many of these can happen...

Either they were just dumb, while actually being innovative and smart, and this wasn't foreseen (or was a programming error), or I don't know how this can be?

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I have read in the past to avoid Red drives for DVRs and Media Center. I want to say it had something to do with how they handled errors since they were designed for RAID environments.

Now someone needs to try this on the Plus.

In some ways this makes sense. The MSOs can easily repair their units. Also they can easily field upgrade them rather than needing new hardware.

One thing that concerns me a bit is if there is no negative to doing it this way, why doesn't Weaknees have "upgrade" drives ready to go? If they don't do anything different to them, they should be able to just sell bare drives.

They told Zatz

Well, maybe they caught some glitch that we don't know about yet with just popping in a bare drive and going to the races.

On the flip side, they are in business to make money, so if they can sell some "drive kits" at a profit before everyone and their grandma knows how to upgrade a TiVo then tip of the hat to them.

Either they were just dumb, while actually being innovative and smart, and this wasn't foreseen (or was a programming error), or I don't know how this can be?

As I said in another thread this was probably added for their MSO partners. Competing MSO DVRs have this same feature. It makes it easy for the MSO to repair a broken unit by simply popping in a new drive and redeploying the unit. That's probably why they went with the external power brick on the Basic too. All about ease of maintenance for their MSO partners.

I have read in the past to avoid Red drives for DVRs and Media Center. I want to say it had something to do with how they handled errors since they were designed for RAID environments.

Now someone needs to try this on the Plus.

In some ways this makes sense. The MSOs can easily repair their units. Also they can easily field upgrade them rather than needing new hardware.

One thing that concerns me a bit is if there is no negative to doing it this way, why doesn't Weaknees have "upgrade" drives ready to go? If they don't do anything different to them, they should be able to just sell bare drives.

They told Zatz

There's two lines (or more) of Red drives: NAS & Enterprise are the two I know. I can see where the latter may become an issue. The former has a programmable TLER, which can be tweaked to suit the environment you use it in. It adjusts how long the drive can dwell on an error before moving on.

As far as weaknees... Maybe they booted the TiVo with the stock drive, then analyzed the drive, copied it to a larger one, then expanded it, and it worked, and are now about to find out they did it all for nothing....

Only time, and many more pioneers willing to open their TiVos, will tell.

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With the weaknees $40 off coupon, why not just grab the pro model over the plus?

That's what I did. But kinda wish I'd known about this before I did. There is a $185 difference between the Plus and the Pro with the respective coupons. A 3TB drive is only $130 on Amazon and when you're done you have an extra 1TB drive.

Oh well, an extra $55 isn't going to kill me and this way I can buy the extended warranty and not feel guilty if something breaks and I need to use it.

I would advise everyone to calm down a bit until we get confirmation that:

a. This works as intended w/no problems.

b. It works on the plus.

It beggars belief that TiVo would think they could get away with this, but I suppose they have done stranger things. At the very least, I suspect they will be more aggressive in enforcing the "cracking the case voids the warranty" rule.

Looking at weaKnees, if the only difference between the Plus and the Pro is drive size, I am at a loss to understand why anyone would pay $599 for a Pro when you can get a Plus with a 3TB drive for $569.

In any case, I still see a need for DIY tools for doing after use upgrades and failing drive replacements. Of course if it automatically formats a drive if it senses a change in hd s/n, then...never mind.

As to what is in the on board flash - it could be just a stub - enough to format the drive and d/l and install the full O/S.