No quote for this one. My understanding is that Hillary had the authority to decide which emails were work-related and which were personal, and she then had the authority to delete them so that her mere deletion of the emails itself is not illegal or against State Department policy. WHEN the emails were deleted is the question, and the answer is...we don't know. Those that are inclined to believe Hillary will believe that she requested the emails to be deleted before they were subpoenaed and therefore did nothing wrong. Those not inclined to believe Hillary will believe she ordered the deletion of the emails after the subpoena and committed obstruction of justice. The point is, there is no evidence to prove it.

1) your understanding is wrong. She is required to maintain record of her official correspondence. That is fact.

2) Nobody cares about her personal emails. People with but a single ounce of common sense (neither you nor Stinger fit in this group) recognize that IF all those thousands upon thousands of emails were personal they would have nipped this in the bud from the get go. You can’t see that? Hey Hillary you deleted official correspondence. Ummm no I didn’t, here is what I deleted.

3) who uses a program to have their server wiped clean if they don’t have something big to hide? You have your IT guys do that to cover up yoga appointments and death condolences?

Please. The fact you guys believe that nonsense is why this is no longer worthy of debate.

Was classified info on Weiners computer made up? Was wiping clean of server made up?

Yes no answers.

One provides enough evidence of mishandling and the other obstruction. Those are but two simple examples. You ignore the obvious when it’s all right here to see.

But please feel free to go on and on to say how it didn’t occur or it didn’t matter. You two are literally so blind to your allegiance to the Democratic Party you refuse to accept anything that might reflect negatively.

There is none so blind that those who refuse to see applies here.

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Society, you know the thing that you live in needs people to help pay for things like hospitals where the sick can get treated, and schools so children can get educated and grow up to be good hard and productive working citizens who pay their fair share and will maybe look after you when you are old and infirm. So when you drive to work tomorrow on that spiffy highway or heaven forbid call the fire department or police department cause you need their services know your tax dollars and those of others have helped make the society you live in a pretty good one (but not as good as the socialist Canada )

Really? OMG I literally wasn’t aware of any of that.

You do realize what you posted has nothing to do with why we’ve debated. Fully aware we need those things. What we don’t need to be doing is serving as the welfare state of the world. Countries are importing their problems to us. And the Dems take them in because they seem them as a future vote.

I’ve spoken specifically about the Dems plan to simply redistribute to others. Take more from me to give to someone that literally just showed up here. It’s a big issue in California where I live. Highest taxed state in nation but dead fucking broke. Gee I wonder why. Couldn’t possibly be due to our out of control social programs. Giving benefits hand over fist to anyone that shows up on our doorstep.

It was either Patriots Halloween night game in '04, or Ravens in '05. You prob mean Ravens. I was at both, with my then 11-year-old or 12-year old son on both occasions. At the Ravens game, there was this chick sitting about four rows behind us. About every 10 minutes, every Ravens possession, she's screaming, "Break his FUCKIN' leg!!" A girl after my heart!! My boy's laughing his ass off. Was telling my Mom, rest her soul, about it, the next day. She says..."Isn't that terrible! What did the people around you say?" I say..."You kidding me, Mom! She was the hero of the section!"

Yup, Ravens Halloween '05.

SB campaign.

Was at the Ravens playoff game at Heinz when AB hauled in the helmet catch.

Before the game starts, a mother daughter Ravens duo had the misfortune of sitting behind us. Up comes a very drunk female yinzer. Sees the mother daughter Ravens duo. Says, "Hey bitch, lick my pussy bitch."

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We could have ended the game there and Tomlin’s band of assholes let them back in.

It was either Patriots Halloween night game in '04, or Ravens in '05. You prob mean Ravens. I was at both, with my then 11-year-old or 12-year old son on both occasions. At the Ravens game, there was this chick sitting about four rows behind us. About every 10 minutes, every Ravens possession, she's screaming, "Break his FUCKIN' leg!!" A girl after my heart!! My boy's laughing his ass off. Was telling my Mom, rest her soul, about it, the next day. She says..."Isn't that terrible! What did the people around you say?" I say..."You kidding me, Mom! She was the hero of the section!"

Yup, Ravens Halloween '05.

SB campaign.

Was at the Ravens playoff game at Heinz when AB hauled in the helmet catch.

Before the game starts, a mother daughter Ravens duo had the misfortune of sitting behind us. Up comes a very drunk female yinzer. Sees the mother daughter Ravens duo. Says, "Hey bitch, lick my pussy bitch."

Ya, I was at that one as well...Ravens fans thought they had it at halftime. That was one noisy fuckin' stadium in the 2nd half...double Renegade!!

It was either Patriots Halloween night game in '04, or Ravens in '05. You prob mean Ravens. I was at both, with my then 11-year-old or 12-year old son on both occasions. At the Ravens game, there was this chick sitting about four rows behind us. About every 10 minutes, every Ravens possession, she's screaming, "Break his FUCKIN' leg!!" A girl after my heart!! My boy's laughing his ass off. Was telling my Mom, rest her soul, about it, the next day. She says..."Isn't that terrible! What did the people around you say?" I say..."You kidding me, Mom! She was the hero of the section!"

Yup, Ravens Halloween '05.

SB campaign.

Was at the Ravens playoff game at Heinz when AB hauled in the helmet catch.

Before the game starts, a mother daughter Ravens duo had the misfortune of sitting behind us. Up comes a very drunk female yinzer. Sees the mother daughter Ravens duo. Says, "Hey bitch, lick my pussy bitch."

Ya, I was at that one as well...Ravens fans thought they had it at halftime. That was one noisy fuckin' stadium in the 2nd half...double Renegade!!

Oh yeah. The stadium was a' rockin'. I remember I had to teach and my voice was totally shot.

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Orangesteel wrote:

We could have ended the game there and Tomlin’s band of assholes let them back in.

Society, you know the thing that you live in needs people to help pay for things like hospitals where the sick can get treated, and schools so children can get educated and grow up to be good hard and productive working citizens who pay their fair share and will maybe look after you when you are old and infirm. So when you drive to work tomorrow on that spiffy highway or heaven forbid call the fire department or police department cause you need their services know your tax dollars and those of others have helped make the society you live in a pretty good one (but not as good as the socialist Canada )

Really? OMG I literally wasn’t aware of any of that.

You do realize what you posted has nothing to do with why we’ve debated. Fully aware we need those things. What we don’t need to be doing is serving as the welfare state of the world. Countries are importing their problems to us. And the Dems take them in because they seem them as a future vote.

I’ve spoken specifically about the Dems plan to simply redistribute to others. Take more from me to give to someone that literally just showed up here. It’s a big issue in California where I live. Highest taxed state in nation but dead fucking broke. Gee I wonder why. Couldn’t possibly be due to our out of control social programs. Giving benefits hand over fist to anyone that shows up on our doorstep.

Look 95 you have said it and I agree we are diametrically opposed in our views Vis a Vis socialism and unfettered capitalism. I am living in a place where the metrics prove that socialism, while certainly not perfect on average provides a better standard of living for the masses. Fewer super rich, but far better wealth distribution. Studies prove the USA ranks modestly (or worse) on most important societal benchmarks. You and your ilk will suggest the metrics are flawed, blah blah blah, however as they say in football you are only as good as your record, and excuses are for losers.

Your statement above, high lighted, is laughable. Syria, going through a recent genocidal civil war, aided significantly by instability caused by aggressive US activities in the middle east (see illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq) has seen millions of people flee the country's carnage. I know Germany, Sweden, Canada, France amongst developed countries have all stepped significantly more than the US. Most on a per capita basis are orders of magnitude higher than your philanthropic USA. Here is the proofhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 20616.html

The USA the richest country in the world, who has played a part in creating this crisis for humanity has said um no we'll essentially take a pass. Just as an aside, to address your Fox induced Muslim paranoia, in Canada, where we have accepted significantly more Syrian refugee's than in your country, I am not aware of any issues related to us taking in the Syrian refugee's. I am proud of us stepping up

P.S. dont want to hear you bitch about Mexicans cause someone is paying them to work for them illegally so get pissed at the employers who are exploiting these people (see U.S. racial exploitation circa...well essentially for ever)

Your statement above, high lighted, is laughable. Syria, going through a recent genocidal civil war, aided significantly by instability caused by aggressive US activities in the middle east (see illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq) has seen millions of people flee the country's carnage. I know Germany, Sweden, Canada, France amongst developed countries have all stepped significantly more than the US. Most on a per capita basis are orders of magnitude higher than your philanthropic USA. Here is the proof

Not sure what you find so “laughable”. When a mass migration occurs it goes from being one countries problem to someone else’s. Not sure how you can even debate that but I’m sure you’ll try.

As to the comments about Germany etc “stepping” up significantly more than the U.S. I say more power to ya. Take in as many as you want.

Here is something I do know, if you arrive here as a refugee rather than just showing up here illegally like say what occurs in mass on our southern border you get the gold card of social welfare.

Now before you espouse your “greater good” stuff please note I’m not against helping people from war torn countries. Especially woman, children, and the elderly. But let’s not kid ourselves here. That isn’t exactly the entire story here. These countries in many many cases are sending us their young able bodied men. Men that should be staying home and being part of the solution in their own countries. I suppose you’ll deny this as well. I’ve seen the pics. How many times are the lines and lines of people predominantly young men? Far too many.

Every refugee that arrives is given free clothing, housing, food, medical, and education. Then thy will work to bring their families here. And if they have children themselves while they are here that child of refugee gets the gold card as well. Again, not opposed to helping those truly in need.

Ask some people in Germany or throughout Europe how they feel about the migrant issue. I’m sure you’ll be able to find plenty that are none too happy about it.

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P.S. dont want to hear you bitch about Mexicans cause someone is paying them to work for them illegally so get pissed at the employers who are exploiting these people (see U.S. racial exploitation circa...well essentially for ever)

But no mention of the government that is giving them free stuff when they arrive. So you want to cast blame on the people that pay them to work but none to the gov that pays them not to. Check...

Yes that’s who I am referring to. And yes I read your previous post discussing him or I should say excusing her of very similair and far more serious charges. And that’s why I no longer wish to debate this with you. Because I’m not actually debating you. You don’t have your own opinion based on the information that is out here. Instead, you find something that defends her and cite that as “proof” why your “opinion” is right and mine is wrong. It’s a back and forth of my “news” source is more accurate than yours. And can that really be relied upon in this day and age?

So I try to look at the information that’s out there and form my OWN opinion while you spend a few days searching the inter webs for a source that will provide an opinion for you.

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Clinton also did nothing to obstruct the FBI inquiry

That was but one line from that quote you posted that rendered it garbage. Unless of course smashing devices with hammers and having your IT guys wipe an entire server clean is “nothing”.

On one hand you have a 22 year old that took some pics. There is zero evidence that shows he was communicating with anyone as it would pertain to selling those pics or anything else along the lines that could be considered espionage. So it’s most likely they were taken for memoir purposes. Something I’m sure even you would admit occurs in the military with kids this age even bough they are aware it’s illegal and they could get in trouble. And him lying about it and trying to destroy evidence? I think a lot of people would try to do the same in his shoes when he knows he did something wrong and now has the FBI sniffing around. He knew what he did was wrong and against the rules and tried to get out of it. He did not and was punished. Rightfully so if we are going to apply the law as it’s written.

All that nonsense you posted from that article that tried to show how “different” the two are. I don’t see it. Sorry.

When the news of this first came out her first response (very typical of her) was to lie. Just like he did. She said there “were no work related emails” on her private server. Just “cooking recipes, yoga appointments, and death condolences”. This was proven to be a flat out lie when it was discovered there were in fact work related emails. Once that lie was no longer going to work for her she pivoted to “well there was no classified information” on her personal and unsecure server. This one doesn’t even pass the smell test as it was later discovered that she NEVER utilized an official .gov email while serving as SOS. So you either believe that she literally did no work while SOS (classified info big part of that job obviously) or she was once again, lying.

Turns out she was in fact lying as they most certainly discovered classified emails on her server. They even recovered emails between her and an aid discussing the fact that the IT guys had to take the server down because they discovered hack attempts. The aid was asking they should establish a .gov email for her to use in the interim and her response was no. And the reason, she was concerned with Freedom of Information Act disclosures. And that’s the very reason she operated in the manner she did.

She was required to maintain a record of all official correspondence and completely blew that off. Those are not hers but yours and mine. And that is the disconnect with people like her.

And then as the noose began to tighten there was the smashing of devices and the use of bleach bit to wipe the server clean. Are those the actions of an innocent person? One that claimed originally the only thing in there was yoga appointments and death condolences? And if that really was all that was there, WHY DESTROY IT? It literally would have been her perfect get out of jail free card. Truth is however that once again she was (not surprisingly) lying.

So post all the articles you want that dismisses her actions and provides you an opinion. They mean nothing to me. Because nothing in those articles eliminate the actions she did but instead find ways to excuse them and provide a sense of “move along, nothing to see here”.

If you believe all that then well, there is nothing more to say here. I’m also pretty certain if everything she did was done in the exact same manner but by someone on the other side or related to Trump all of a sudden your opinion on all this would be quite different.

So we have a kid that made a mistake. Took some selfies and later lost his phone. Phone is recovered and person happens to be former Navy and knew those pics were a no no. Turns it in and kid gets caught.

Hillary purposely runs all official business (business intertwined with personal foundation business which she assured Obama’s would not occur) on a private server that gets compromised. Classified info which she had a fiduciary duty to protect gets out (some found on freaking Anthony Weiner’s laptop and who knows where else) and somehow that doesn’t constitute “mishandling of classified information”??? Really?

And then the obstruction with smashing of devices and wiping server clean. Not to mention the weeks and weeks delay of handing over emails that weren’t deleted. I’m sure heavily screened too. And to you that is somehow acceptable behavior of someone who came extremely close to becoming POTUS?

You actually think that person should have been allowed to have even more power and control?

You sir are either extremely naive or purposely complicit because she happens to reside on the side of politics you support. Sad actually you allow a personal political preference to do cloud your opinion of things that actually occurred.

I no longer wish to change your mind. Everything I said here is but some of the reasons I feel the way I do on the matter. Posting stuff that quotes James freaking Comey isn’t going to change my mind one bit. And at this point it’s apparent no amount of evidence will get you to take off your “Stronger Together” bumper sticker or take down your “I’m With Her” lawn sign.

So I have nothing more to say on the matter and am trying to refrain from further discussion here. It’s still a free country and as such you are free to believe whatever it is you’ve been led to believe.

Neither one sounds very appealing to me....other than the beach & margaritas.

Noooooo.....not at all!

Granted, my enthusiasm for academia lasted all of 6 weeks in grad school. But from my perspective, a lot of the "masters" observed lessons we've forgotten. I don't want to dismiss that when it comes to discussing modern events.

Basically what I'm saying is I have experience and education....but I've grown a much greater appreciation for history, and I think it trumps both. I could start a whole new thread debating Keynesian vs. Classic economics.