Scrappy that car that went under the spec miata record was stock right? Not the 460hp turbo one others are talking about? I assume it was, as I doubt those turbo kits are ready for the track yet.

Correct; non-turbo.

My understanding - and consider all of this third party hearsay as I did not have a chance to interview the owner in depth - is that the car is stock or near stock in terms of power. I was told by a friend of the owner that it has an "E85 tune" but I'm not sure how much difference that makes on those cars.

I believe he has off-the-shelf BC coilovers, wheels, tires and the tune. This is the Arsenal Autosport car that also ran the time attack event at PBIR (Palm Beach Intl Raceway, formerly Moroso).

Cool. A stock car with wheels/tires beating the spec miata record on a short lap is pretty impressive, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a turbo car making close to 500hp before I start bragging about it to people who hate on the Toyoberu.

And yeah, if or when miatas become too rare to be this cheap (hopefully never) the FRS/BRZ would be my first choice for my new toy. Until or unless Mazda can't produce on a ~2200lbs ND.

Welp they better step it up and deliver on their rumors of a sub 2500 di boosted ND or whatever because they will get muscled out by all these new cars. Hyundai has tonsa power but is a pig. Toyobaru isn't a pig but also doesn't have tonsa power. If the ND could have ok power (at least a bit over 200) AND be under 2600lbs I'd consider them "back in the game"

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Yet you'll never overcome the fact that it looks like complete and total dog **** and the roof doesn't come off....

Still, do not want.

Often times I think I'm the most negative, pessimistic ******* I know.

Welp they better step it up and deliver on their rumors of a sub 2500 di boosted ND or whatever because they will get muscled out by all these new cars. If the ND could have ok power (at least a bit over 200) AND be under 2600lbs I'd consider them "back in the game"

With those stats they would be a class leader in performance, not just "back in the game".

Those stats are also highly unlikely because Mazda is not a huge automaker and does not have loads of cash or the ability to amortize their costs over ginormous production runs. Realistically I think they can pull off a sub 2300lb miata with roughly 170hp and maybe 180hp if they push it. Do not expect >200hp because that is just not going to happen as it would be cost prohibitive.

They will always sell the miata well because there just is no other 2 seat convertible roadster in that price range and it has already been stated that the BRZ/FR-S will not come to america in a convertible form because it would cost too much and no one would buy it, or so they say.

I just hope Mazda doesn't try to put a 1.3 turbo engine in the miata like some rumors state. I would rather them put in the 2.0l skyactive engine they already have developed and tune it a little more for performance and less for mpg's. I feel like that would be the most cost effective solution for them.

Those stats are also highly unlikely because Mazda is not a huge automaker and does not have loads of cash or the ability to amortize their costs over ginormous production runs. Realistically I think they can pull off a sub 2300lb miata with roughly 170hp and maybe 180hp if they push it. Do not expect >200hp because that is just not going to happen as it would be cost prohibitive.

Which is why they are partnered with Alpha on the chassis.

I am not sure how the 2.0L skyactiv handles boost. But a 1.4 turbo wouldn't be terrible; as long as it could still spool up an EFR6258 I would be happy.

I just hope Mazda doesn't try to put a 1.3 turbo engine in the miata like some rumors state. I would rather them put in the 2.0l skyactive engine they already have developed and tune it a little more for performance and less for mpg's. I feel like that would be the most cost effective solution for them.

I could not agree more. The bottom line is the bigger the motor the more potential.

The best scenerio we could ask for would be for a larger discplacement motor that has plenty of options to go even bigger (like the current NC motor). Also have a cylinder head that has the right valve angle and runner geometry, but also has plenty more volume potential. I would prefer it to start out with a small camshaft too.

There is something fun about the ability to uncork a motor and get large gains from a build up. A motor that is already hopped up near the ceiling of its potential is no fun. Never mind the much higher expense to see the same gains.