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I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence. However, I fail to see how it's the great calamity it is claimed to be. They also tend to ignore things like "global greening" that might mitigate the effects and/or even be beneficial to humanity.

This summer kind of turned me into a believer, as it wasn't that hot, but it didn't "cool down" at night very much.

I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence. However, I fail to see how it's the great calamity it is claimed to be. They also tend to ignore things like "global greening" that might mitigate the effects and/or even be beneficial to humanity.

This summer kind of turned me into a believer, as it wasn't that hot, but it didn't "cool down" at night very much.

Compared to the forces of nature, human activity is one grain of sand on all the beaches of the world

Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago. Please, give me the detailed temperature information from a couple thousand years before that.

Christ was born and the light of that Son is the true cause of Global Warming. Or, about every 2000 years the planetary alignments of Jupiter, Saturn, and the Earth/moon combine. Changing the orbital path and tilt of the earth. Which causes the earth to enter a cooling stage with info about solar cycle 24. Soooo...using the SWAG (Scientific Wild-Assed Guess) method, the year 19 the planet was colder.

For detailed info put on your snow gear and go dig your own ice cores. That would be the only way to figure it out and not rely on someone else's data.

Global greening is pretty interesting, rising carbon dioxide is respiration for plants, turned into oxygen (as well all know), and rising temperatures results in more water in the atmosphere, which is greening a lot of areas that were formerly "brown" (deserts, etc.).

Global greening is pretty interesting, rising carbon dioxide is respiration for plants, turned into oxygen (as well all know), and rising temperatures results in more water in the atmosphere, which is greening a lot of areas that were formerly "brown" (deserts, etc.).

I'll have to look it up, but I read that the Sahara desert shrank by 700,000 square miles, or kilometers due to global greening.

Ice core studies also confirmed a feature that researchers had already noticed in deep-sea cores: the glacial cycle followed a sawtooth curve. In each cycle, a spurt of rapid warming was followed by a more gradual, irregular descent back into the cold over tens of thousands of years. A closer look showed that temperatures tended to cluster at the two ends of the curve. It seemed that the climate system had two fairly stable modes, brief warmth and more enduring cold, with relatively rapid shifts between them. Warm intervals like the past few thousand years normally did not last long. (36)

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Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago.

And even that is not all that 'detailed'... Even today it is not that detailed. This is a big ol planet, and very dynamic. Folks tend to forget that, and then believe nonsense like measuring ocean rise and fall to the millimeter...

I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence.

Nah. Something stuck with me back when St. Helens erupted... Science estimated that that single volcano spewed more particulate, toxins, and general pollution in that one episode, than all the history of man produced.

Do that math a minute.

If you believe the statement, then science itself proved anthro-global warming to be false.If you don't believe the statement, then science is talking out it's collective ass.

And even that is not all that 'detailed'... Even today it is not that detailed. This is a big ol planet, and very dynamic. Folks tend to forget that, and then believe nonsense like measuring ocean rise and fall to the millimeter...

Even hands on field survey of unpaved ground will only give elevation to the closest 0.1' or a little over 1".

Again, depends on believing ice cores are old. Greenland and Iceland have been free of ice, and Antarctica was charted (at least coastline being free of ice) within the history of man.

It wasn't just ice cores they examined.

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Beyond such fascinating hints, however, the Greenland ice cores could say little about long-term cycles. They were too short to reach past a single glacial cycle. And the ice flowed like tar at great depths, confusing the record. In the 1970s, despite the arduous efforts of the ice drillers, the most reliable data were still coming from deep-sea cores.

After another five years of difficult work, organized by the U.S. Army's Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory, the drill at Camp Century reached bedrock. The hole reached down some 1.4 kilometers (7/8 of a mile), bringing up ice as much as 100,000 years old.(30*) Two years later, in 1968, another long core of ancient ice was retrieved from a site even colder and more remote: Byrd Station in West Antarctica.(31)

cores of slick clay drilled out of living lakes, researchers painstakingly counted and measured the layers. Some reported finding a 21,000-year cycle of changes. That approximately matched the timing for a wobbling of the Earth's axis which Milankovitch had calculated as a crucial element

Tracking the shells layer by layer in long cores of clay extracted from the seabed,

As a check, the sea level changes could be set alongside the oxygen-isotope temperature changes measured in deep-sea cores.To make it worthwhile, scientists had to draw on all their knowledge and luck to find the right places to drill on the ocean bed. In these few places, layers of silt had built up unusually swiftly and steadily and without disturbance. Meanwhile, drilling techniques were finally worked out that could extract the continuous hundred-meter cores of clay that Emiliani had been asking for since the 1950s. Improved techniques for measuring the layers gave data good enough for thorough analysis. The most prominent feature turned out to be a 100,000-year cycle — evidently a key to the entire climate puzzle. Several earlier studies had tentatively identified this long-term cycle. Corroboration was in hand from Kukla's loess layers in Czechoslovakia, at the opposite end of the world from some of the deep-sea cores. Here too the 100,000-year cycle stood out.(37)

A splendid deep-sea core had been pulled — "one of the best and most complete records of the entire Pleistocene that is known" — the famous core Vema 28-238 (named after the Lamont Observatory's oceanographic research vessel, a converted luxury yacht). It reached back over a million years, and included the most recent reversal of the Earth's magnetic field, which geologists dated at a bit over 700,000 years ago. This calibrated the chronology for the entire core.

1985 the Antarctic team had pulled up cores of ice stretching clear through the cold period and into the preceding warm period—a complete glacial cycle.(50)

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I think you're a bit off. The Romans never made it to Greenland. The Vikings grew grapes in Greenland during the Medieval Climate Optimum (and probably made wine). The Romans had vineyards and wine making in what is now the English Midlands, a bit north of the current British wine-country in Sussex, during the Roman Climate Optimum.

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