"robot horse (Triax offers several designs)" from Rifts England in the Knight O.C.C. equipment section Yet I'm unable to find any Triax robotic horses in Triax and NGR, or really any beyond the few Bandito Arms versions in the New West. If there aren't any others maybe suggestions on how to craft (my first thought is to use the robot builder in Sourcebook One Revised.)My players are interested in purchasing and I'm a little lost.

Awesome! Thanks for the suggestions @Mack @H.P. Hovercraft and @Soldier of OdI'm probably gonna just modify the bandito arms as suggested for time, but I'm gonna also have to check out the unicorn and pegasus. Super helpful, thanks.

I wonder if giving horses bionics is considered "Cruelty to Animals?"Or...Would a horse actually relish it's new abilities?

There's a throwaway line somewhere (not sure where at this point) about how a lot of people in the New West love Bionic horses because they behave like a "real animal" (bvecause they are) including retaining their sensitivity to the supernatural, and bonding with their rider, and tend to prefer them over full robot models.

You get the best of both worlds - your Horse wont get misted (as even a partial conversion horse can wear armor) and it still behaves like a real animal.

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eh.. since it would likely be part of Triax's "wilderness line" of products, which are generally less advanced than those with the triax branding, i'd just use them as is. at most, maybe allow a selection of the civilian vehicles features from Triax2 be applied to them. (whatever seems reasonable for a robot horse)

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H.P. Hovercraft wrote:

I wonder if giving horses bionics is considered "Cruelty to Animals?"Or...Would a horse actually relish it's new abilities?

It actually addresses that in one of the NGR or Russan books about bionic horses noting that the NGR has outlawed bionic horses on humane grounds.also the Russian boosk do note that the bionic horse retains some sensitivity to the supernatural although diminished.

I think the issue is less whatever the bionics give the horse, and more the fact that to implant them you have to chop the horse's legs off, as well as large parts of its pelvis and ribcage. given that horses cannot understand what is going to happen to them and can't consent to the operation, i can see the NGR having ethical issues with the process.

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The irony being that some of the side technologies to bionics----'smart' casts, nano surgery techniques, biosystem muscle and bone replacement, and the like---- make 'shoot'em' equine injury treatment a thing of the past.

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yeah.. but i suspect that triax would specifically have issues with the taking of a perfectly good horse and chopping it up like a hotrod to add military grade bionics. the use of biosystems to heal an injured horse is a lot less ethically fraught.

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I wonder if giving horses bionics is considered "Cruelty to Animals?"Or...Would a horse actually relish it's new abilities?

Thinking about it... The horse might have a hard time adjusting to not being able to really feel its legs or other cyber-parts. They might even be more likely to run themselves to death.

The info presented in New West doesn't seem to support this.

I'm speaking as someone who knows a bit about horses, which I don't think the book's author does.

What an excellent appeal to authority fallacy.

I'll raise you:

I rode show from age 8-15. I was around horses all of my young life. My mother still rides and trains horses. She leads trail rides in Arizona.

I disagree. Animals adapt very well to prosthetics. Far better than humans, even - because they just adapt to how it is now. Just like they adapt far better than humans to bad injuries like an amputation or partial paralyzation.

_________________Im loving the Foes list; it's the only thing keeping me from tearing out my eyes from the dumb.

I wonder if giving horses bionics is considered "Cruelty to Animals?"Or...Would a horse actually relish it's new abilities?

Thinking about it... The horse might have a hard time adjusting to not being able to really feel its legs or other cyber-parts. They might even be more likely to run themselves to death.

The info presented in New West doesn't seem to support this.

I'm speaking as someone who knows a bit about horses, which I don't think the book's author does.

What an excellent appeal to authority fallacy.

I'll raise you:

I rode show from age 8-15. I was around horses all of my young life. My mother still rides and trains horses. She leads trail rides in Arizona.

I disagree. Animals adapt very well to prosthetics. Far better than humans, even - because they just adapt to how it is now. Just like they adapt far better than humans to bad injuries like an amputation or partial paralyzation.

I'll raise you as well.My family is ranchers, and I've been around animals of various sorts all my life. I've seen what happens when a horse loses feeling in one or more legs. Since biotics have at best 80% sensitivity, you'd be dealing with a horse that's either afraid to walk/ run/ et cetera, or a horse that goes nuts. I've never seen a horse with a prosthetic, however, so I'm hardly an expert on equine cybernetics.Just going off what I've seen from three horses and one mule which lost enough sensitivity in their legs to have problems, even if temporarily (a horse whose back left leg went to sleep) to permanently (a horse with a rattle-snake bite, mostly recovered but...).

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