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Do you think he would have been drafted in 4th or 5th rounds? I am still completely clueless as to how NFL GM's and scouts can ignore a 24 TD to 1 INT season. So if he would have say, passed for 1,000 more yards or so, would he have received a better look from scouts? Or did Clowney's fame and presence really overshadow everyone else just that much?
As you can see, I have a lot of questions.

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

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Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

I understand that. What I don't understand is how people can come to that conclusion before he has a chance to prove himself. If he would have went anywhere else I feel like he could have had the chance. But behind Manziel in Cleveland is just insane. He really got a sh*t deal.

I was really hoping Harbaugh was going to give Connor a chance at San Francisco. The Niners are not deep at QB. Behind Kap, they have two average QBs in Bethel-Thompson and newly acquired Blaine Gabbert.

Niner's offense fits Connor's strengths. He would of been worth a look for SF.

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

Yes, HIS TEAM won a playoff game. He was 10-21 that day and completed a pass at the end. The Broncos Defense is why they made the playoffs that year and a terrible AFC west is why they made it with an 8-8 record, losing their last 3 in a row.

I don't hate him or love him, but he is not a good NFL qb. 32 NFL teams appear to agree.

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Yes, HIS TEAM won a playoff game. He was 10-21 that day and completed a pass at the end. The Broncos Defense is why they made the playoffs that year and a terrible AFC west is why they made it with an 8-8 record, losing their last 3 in a row.

I don't hate him or love him, but he is not a good NFL qb. 32 NFL teams appear to agree.

The most surprising fact about Tim Tebow is that if you look at the last 17 Quarterbacks to win the Heisman Trophy, he is the only one that has won a playoff game (yes I know Manziel and Winston have not played in the NFL yet).

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

Agree...and there were plenty of other guys available that displayed better NFL potential that Connor factoring in your comments I highlighted (that's why they got drafted).
Not so sure Aaron Murray is not victim of the same thing....

I've always viewed Connor as an excellent athlete playing QB....not so much the other way around. But he still has a chance.....he's a smart guy who throws accurately....hopefully that gets him somewhere....there are a few guys like him in the league, but they do have the big arms.

Agree...and there were plenty of other guys available that displayed better NFL potential that Connor factoring in your comments I highlighted (that's why they got drafted).
Not so sure Aaron Murray is not victim of the same thing....

I've always viewed Connor as an excellent athlete playing QB....not so much the other way around. But he still has a chance.....he's a smart guy who throws accurately....hopefully that gets him somewhere....there are a few guys like him in the league, but they do have the big arms.

They were talking to Dave Caldwell, the Jags GM the other day..before the draft He said he put most of the emphasis on decision making. In other words, pulling the trigger and making the throw. I think back to the number of times I heard SOS saying that he needed to throw the ball more and quicker.

That being said, I think that Connor could be successful being an NFL QB if he was given the time and resources to develop. The problem is that they don't groom qb's anymore. They want a ready made one because there are so many new guys coming out every year.

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The problem is that they don't groom qb's anymore. They want a ready made one because there are so many new guys coming out every year.

Yep...they want franchise guys right out of the draft....guys who can get them to the playoffs ASAP. It may not be realistic, but they are the ones being pressured to win now...and have to find who is best equipped to do that.

Really, it boils down to mechanics, decision making and arm strength. being successful in college does not mean you will be a successful NFL quarterback. See Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Tim Couch, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Blaine Gabbert and a ton of other guys. The game is much faster, so you have to get the ball out quick. It's very difficult. You have to have a quick release because DE's, LB's and DT's are all top of the top and are swiping at it.

Exactly! The college game does not always translate to the pro level. Connor does not have great arm strength or a quick release or ideal size.

I don't understand why some people on here are saying he won't get a shot. He's getting a shot with the Browns. He'll have his chance to prove whether or not he can play in the NFL.

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I can't understand why GM's can turn their heads on a QB who is undefeated as a starter in Bowl games. Has defeated other SEC and ACC QB's consecutively that were drafted, is a hard worker and no off the field issues. I understand they think his durability and height is a question mark, but c'mon so is Mettenberger. The only difference is that he is 6'4.

I can't understand why GM's can turn their heads on a QB who is undefeated as a starter in Bowl games. Has defeated other SEC and ACC QB's consecutively that were drafted, is a hard worker and no off the field issues. I understand they think his durability and height is a question mark, but c'mon so is Mettenberger. The only difference is that he is 6'4.

Hard to figure, but I thought a few of the other SEC qbs. would go higher. I figured he would go as a free agent, but honestly thought it would be better than Cleveland. & also with a team that didn't draft a qb. I was hoping with a very good qb that he could learn good mechanics from ! But hey maybe this is just a stepping stone for Connor, he can prove himself and another or maybe much better team will pick him up later.

Hard to figure, but I thought a few of the other SEC qbs. would go higher. I figured he would go as a free agent, but honestly thought it would be better than Cleveland. & also with a team that didn't draft a qb. I was hoping with a very good qb that he could learn good mechanics from ! But hey maybe this is just a stepping stone for Connor, he can prove himself and another or maybe much better team will pick him up later.

I can't understand why GM's can turn their heads on a QB who is undefeated as a starter in Bowl games. Has defeated other SEC and ACC QB's consecutively that were drafted, is a hard worker and no off the field issues. I understand they think his durability and height is a question mark, but c'mon so is Mettenberger. The only difference is that he is 6'4.

no that's not the only difference.....winning in college doesn't necessarily translate to winning in the NFL. while Connor was a great QB for us, he doesn't have the attributes necessary to be an NFL QB.

no that's not the only difference.....winning in college doesn't necessarily translate to winning in the NFL. while Connor was a great QB for us, he doesn't have the attributes necessary to be an NFL QB.

If your talking about Connor's height in terms of attributes, of course he is possibly as tall as he's going to get, you're right. As for his mechanics and arm strength, the S&C and QB coaches for the Browns can help him out.
Connor has the maturity and the strive in my opinion so I do believe he has what it takes personally to be an NFL QB.

If your talking about Connor's height in terms of attributes, of course he is possibly as tall as he's going to get, you're right. As for his mechanics and arm strength, the S&C and QB coaches for the Browns can help him out.
Connor has the maturity and the strive in my opinion so I do believe he has what it takes personally to be an NFL QB.

I wasn't taking about his height....he's the same height as Drew Brees or Russell Wilson. See post #28.

no that's not the only difference.....winning in college doesn't necessarily translate to winning in the NFL. while Connor was a great QB for us, he doesn't have the attributes necessary to be an NFL QB.

While Connor lacks some of the traits NFL teams tend to look for, your statement is way too dismissive of his chances. With your statement, you are essentially saying he can't make it. I'm sorry, but that's bullsh**. If at any point in his career he makes a 53 man roster, your statement will be proven to be bullsh**, and maybe you'll learn a valuable lesson about heart, guts, tenacity, and the folly of underestimating Connor Shaw.

If at any point in his career he makes a 53 man roster, your statement will be proven to be bullsh**, and maybe you'll learn a valuable lesson about heart, guts, tenacity, and the folly of underestimating Connor Shaw.

Agree. I have my reservations about Connor's future as a pro, but there were plenty on this very forum that doubted he'd ever become an effective SEC QB, which he proved them wrong.
Dude plays smart and wins lots of games...maybe there's a place for that at the next level?