Everyone is being very defensive of the Irish language I’m not saying bin it I’m saying that English would need to be used officiallyThe Taoiseach needs to be replaced by something else, in EnglishYou can still call it what you like but officially it must not be Irish so when RTE (that will need to go/be amended too by the way) is reporting on the days events they do not use the Irish title Little sacrifices like that surely are not too much to have one peaceful nation now would they?Remember in a new rainbow nation sacrifices will need to be made by all

They aren't little sacrifices. Partition for the foreseeable future it is, so.

a lot of bigoted voters in the dup and Sinn Fein/IRA have to die off before it’s possible.

That's not true is it though? It doesn't matter how bigoted supporters from either side are, as long as there's a majority in favour of UI it'll happen.

Simple arithmetic has bedeviled NI discussion for 100 years ...... bigots trump majorities because NI hasn’t never been a functioning democracy and no border poll is going for change that

I have no interest in a UI where even a small cohort of cvnts feel disaffected

Let them sort their own bigots out first before we entertain hitching our wagon to a UI

That's not how the GFA works though.

Not that I necessarily disagree with you. We also have our own bigots to sort out.

How the GFA works is that if 50% + 1 of those voting in NI in a border poll vote for a United Ireland (and that is reciprocated in Ireland), well then there will be a near immediate United Ireland. If Unionists leave it until they have lost the poll before they start to negotiate any sort of terms, they will have no leverage in those negotiations, since the outcome, a United Ireland has been pre determined. Given demographic patterns, the sooner the Unionists start to negotiate the more leverage they will have. But I can't see, and if I'm wrong please enlighten me, any Unionist party sitting down to negotiations before any such border poll is held. It's a Catch 22 situation for them.

I get the opposition to the flags and the national anthem. I get the opposition to taking all power from Belfast. I get the worries about losing all your culture and traditions. I get fears about being a minority. I do not get the opposition to the Irish language. It's just a language, there's nothing malicious about it.

I get the opposition to the flags and the national anthem. I get the opposition to taking all power from Belfast. I get the worries about losing all your culture and traditions. I get fears about being a minority. I do not get the opposition to the Irish language. It's just a language, there's nothing malicious about it.

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Diego wrote:

rfurlong wrote:

a lot of bigoted voters in the dup and Sinn Fein/IRA have to die off before it’s possible.

That's not true is it though? It doesn't matter how bigoted supporters from either side are, as long as there's a majority in favour of UI it'll happen.

Simple arithmetic has bedeviled NI discussion for 100 years ...... bigots trump majorities because NI hasn’t never been a functioning democracy and no border poll is going for change that

I have no interest in a UI where even a small cohort of cvnts feel disaffected

Let them sort their own bigots out first before we entertain hitching our wagon to a UI

That's not how the GFA works though.

Not that I necessarily disagree with you. We also have our own bigots to sort out.

How the GFA works is that if 50% + 1 of those voting in NI in a border poll vote for a United Ireland (and that is reciprocated in Ireland), well then there will be a near immediate United Ireland. If Unionists leave it until they have lost the poll before they start to negotiate any sort of terms, they will have no leverage in those negotiations, since the outcome, a United Ireland has been pre determined. Given demographic patterns, the sooner the Unionists start to negotiate the more leverage they will have. But I can't see, and if I'm wrong please enlighten me, any Unionist party sitting down to negotiations before any such border poll is held. It's a Catch 22 situation for them.

I had forgotten that was in the GFA. We are all f ucked then as there will be probably enough gobshites in the South to vote for this fiasco. Agree what you say vis a vis leverage. If the lemmings all f uck themselves of the economic cliff across the water the consequences for us will be bad but for the North will be dire.

a lot of bigoted voters in the dup and Sinn Fein/IRA have to die off before it’s possible.

That's not true is it though? It doesn't matter how bigoted supporters from either side are, as long as there's a majority in favour of UI it'll happen.

Simple arithmetic has bedeviled NI discussion for 100 years ...... bigots trump majorities because NI hasn’t never been a functioning democracy and no border poll is going for change that

I have no interest in a UI where even a small cohort of cvnts feel disaffected

Let them sort their own bigots out first before we entertain hitching our wagon to a UI

That's not how the GFA works though.

Not that I necessarily disagree with you. We also have our own bigots to sort out.

How the GFA works is that if 50% + 1 of those voting in NI in a border poll vote for a United Ireland (and that is reciprocated in Ireland), well then there will be a near immediate United Ireland. If Unionists leave it until they have lost the poll before they start to negotiate any sort of terms, they will have no leverage in those negotiations, since the outcome, a United Ireland has been pre determined. Given demographic patterns, the sooner the Unionists start to negotiate the more leverage they will have. But I can't see, and if I'm wrong please enlighten me, any Unionist party sitting down to negotiations before any such border poll is held. It's a Catch 22 situation for them.

You do realise that chanting the same mantra doesn’t make it true.Unionist numbers are not going to dilute by the much going forward and in the odd chance that brexit is a success they might actually grow

Do people talk to each other in Irish? Genuine question- I’ve only heard Irish people speak in English to each other over here.

A minority do. Particularly in the Gaeltacht regions, unsurprisingly.My cousin was born and raised through English in Dublin, but is now living in rural Galway with his wife and they live their lives through Irish. Very much a minority, but it exists.

Do people talk to each other in Irish? Genuine question- I’ve only heard Irish people speak in English to each other over here.

A minority do. Particularly in the Gaeltacht regions, unsurprisingly.My cousin was born and raised through English in Dublin, but is now living in rural Galway with his wife and they live their lives through Irish. Very much a minority, but it exists.

Cool- The majority of my Irish friends are from Mayo, there’s a big expat community in Cambridge.

I’m now a bit worried in private they’re a bunch of Cammy’s and plot my demise in Irish

Do people talk to each other in Irish? Genuine question- I’ve only heard Irish people speak in English to each other over here.

A minority do. Particularly in the Gaeltacht regions, unsurprisingly.My cousin was born and raised through English in Dublin, but is now living in rural Galway with his wife and they live their lives through Irish. Very much a minority, but it exists.

Cool- The majority of my Irish friends are from Mayo, there’s a big expat community in Cambridge.

I’m now a bit worried in private they’re a bunch of Cammy’s and plot my demise in Irish

A UI vote down south would pass with 60% minimum in favour I reckon. It's a heart not head issue.

And that , I would imagine would be the minimum bar set for a proposal of this nature, possibly even a bit higher. Nobody wants some 52/48 non result. It would cause mayhem.

au contraire .... the shinners will insist on 50% plus 1 vote, being the bar

F uck the shinners. Last time I noticed those commie bastards weren't sitting around any cabinet table.

F uck....how did it get to this. Can we take the vote away from scummers ?

a lot of the shinner core vote isnt scummers ..... its idealistic millenial fvckwits, who have swallowed the "somebody else should pay" bolloxology, hook line and sinker.

These gobshites are prepared to hold their noses at the murdering criminal cult aspect of Sinn Fein, and the continuing absence of high level violence allows them to do so..... even when they know deep down that mary lou is on the end of a tight leash that begins in west belfast

the best way to counter this is to give them more money in their pockets via tax/usc cuts and thereby show them what they'd lose if the marxist loons ever got into power. Unfortunately FG are too busy trying to spend money on every bleeding heart/RTE cause out there (for which they'll get no thanks), instead of looking after the people who get up early in the morning

Do people talk to each other in Irish? Genuine question- I’ve only heard Irish people speak in English to each other over here.

A minority do. Particularly in the Gaeltacht regions, unsurprisingly.My cousin was born and raised through English in Dublin, but is now living in rural Galway with his wife and they live their lives through Irish. Very much a minority, but it exists.

Cool- The majority of my Irish friends are from Mayo, there’s a big expat community in Cambridge.

I’m now a bit worried in private they’re a bunch of Cammy’s and plot my demise in Irish

The west of Ireland is a chilled out place bar when the entitled ones from Armagh and Tyrone flock to the resorts for a few days in July or you're unlucky enough to meet a wedding party of them down en masse.

Probably getting the unionists to realise that the people of the republic aren't like those entitled ones is the biggest stumbling block.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

I'm not some mad anti-royalist and like to think that I'm fairly reasonable and objective, but I couldn't countenance Ireland ever joining the Commonwealth. It's just not compatible with where the country emerged from.We can be very closely aligned with the UK on many policy matters and be as buddy-buddy as possible, but as two entirely separate states with no connection at governmental level.

The Commonwealth we left is not the same one that exists today. The one we left we had been forced to be part of. Ourselves and South Africa spent years politicking to get the rules re-written so that we could leave, and once in existence we both left. Mandela brought South Africa back in because he recognised then that it was no longer a tool of control of the empire, but a group of countries largely with a shared experience of having been Brit colonies. While I do not see any great benefit of membership (compared to EU), I do see it as having great symbolism in the context of a United Ireland. There will always be some Irish representative who would like to toast the head of the commonwealth, and good luck to them if they are doing it on behalf of Ireland.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Wrong attitude if you would want it to be a peaceful successThere simply could not be belief that nothing will change to the nature of the Irish state and oh by the way Northern Ireland you just don’t exist anymore would lead to a peaceful processIf you think so I’ll have a pint of what you are having

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Wrong attitude if you would want it to be a peaceful successThere simply could not be belief that nothing will change to the nature of the Irish state and oh by the way Northern Ireland you just don’t exist anymore would lead to a peaceful processIf you think so I’ll have a pint of what you are having

The Irish constitution wouldn't end, but have some serious amending and a referendum to seal the deal. The language things a read hearing. English and Irish would remain official languages.

Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

Everyone is being very defensive of the Irish language I’m not saying bin it I’m saying that English would need to be used officiallyThe Taoiseach needs to be replaced by something else, in EnglishYou can still call it what you like but officially it must not be Irish so when RTE (that will need to go/be amended too by the way) is reporting on the days events they do not use the Irish title Little sacrifices like that surely are not too much to have one peaceful nation now would they?Remember in a new rainbow nation sacrifices will need to be made by all

They aren't little sacrifices. Partition for the foreseeable future it is, so.

Theres a perfect compromise. We dump Irish titles like Taoiseach etc but Belfast is renamed to Béal Feirste and LondonDerry to CahirsiveenDerry