Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble.—cthia's father. Incident in ?Axiom of Common Sense

I agree. But then again what do we mean by dangerous? Vanessa killed a lot of bugs. Honor killed lots of people.

And rulers can order people killed.

By the way, a lot of what has been said about Elizabeth was wrong. She might be stubborn but she certainly showed a lot of flexibility in a lot of ways, particularly in more recent books. Yes, she hated the Havenites but had good reason for it.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble.—cthia's father. Incident in ?Axiom of Common Sense