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The mind is the ultimate weapon, but the soul of the fighter fuels the action.enThu, 22 Feb 2018 04:25:15 GMTvBulletin60http://www.warriortalk.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/rss.pnghttp://www.warriortalk.com/
Just How Screwed Am I? Shooting Out of Policyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138148-Just-How-Screwed-Am-I-Shooting-Out-of-Policy&goto=newpost
Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:57:42 GMTI got the phone call and headed to the scene. That sounds like to the start of a good story, but this one wasn't going to be. I could tell by the officer's voice he was scared and he needed someone on his side. I wasn't an investigator, but having rank does have some benefit in that you're allowed to do things which otherwise couldn't. The officer was sitting in the back of an ambulance being checked out by emergency medical personnel. The other ambulance containing the person he'd shot had already cleared the scene and as on the way to the hospital.

I heard the story from the officer: Bad person was observed doing bad things and when he went to contact the evil doer he was presented with bad person trying to shoot him. As bad person, who couldn't make the pistol function, continued to try and shoot the officer the officer, finally realizing what was happening, decided to return fire and ventilated bad person's lower abdomen and upper leg region. Bad person was on the way to the hospital in critical condition, but expected to live.

Now, the officer, in his first shooting was presented with an unfortunate situation. You see, this didn't happen on-duty, but off-duty. The officer also wasn't completely dressed the way he was supposed to have been as he'd made it more comfortable for himself on the long shift. Beginning to see the issue? Yes, good to go on the lethal force to prevent harm, injury or death to self or bystanders, but not so good on adhering to policy.
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What's the point of this? I explained to the officer he could relax, be calm and know he did the right thing. One the other hand, violating policy is just violating policy. One can't serve prison time, jail time, be charged or have any criminal repercussions for this; however, one may be terminated and open to civil litigation. My point in speaking with the officer was to get him to understand he'd be fine. In the end, he was fine. He'd traded a formal uniform for a police marked t-shirt and it wasn't an issue as he was still readily identified as a LEO, but he did get some paper from the agency.

Guess what happens if you shoot someone with that J-Frame .38 on your ankle after the agency has dropped that platform? On the criminal side - not a damn thing. Homicide detectives are only interested in a good kill or a bad kill....you can use whatever implement you want. On the policy side....well, that can be an issue, but articulation is the key.

Point in this short post is do what you can to be in policy and within the law, but don't think life is over and you're done if it isn't all picture perfect and like the movies.

If Gabe teaches his class I'm sure he'll explain life isn't black and white and you'll learn to excel in the gray.
]]>JonathanNobodyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138148-Just-How-Screwed-Am-I-Shooting-Out-of-PolicyThank you, gentlemenhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138099-Thank-you-gentlemen&goto=newpost
Sat, 10 Feb 2018 03:16:33 GMTThere was a thread on Facebook today on a Glock group I'm in. Suarez, the man, the company, the products, was just getting trashed. I didn't see the need to wade in. Pearls before swine and such.

Honestly, it made me sad. Rather than take an objective look at the training and the mindset, and the products offered, it was a shitstorm. And guys piled on, most of whom I'm certain have never taken a Suarez class or owned a Suarez product.

And I really don't give two shits. When I say it made me sad, it's because guys who are willing to spend a good chunk of disposable income on training and gear are misdirected, and not only that but unwilling to make a course correction.

And you know what else? Warriortalk, on the whole, could smoke that group. Brent and Greg could do it by themselves, everyone else is backup.

No real point to this. Just serves to remind that no, the "gun community" is not "all in this together", and Warriortalk is a haven in an ocean of BS.
]]>ZeroTAhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138099-Thank-you-gentlemenA discovery.http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138094-A-discovery&goto=newpost
Fri, 09 Feb 2018 19:02:55 GMTI have recently discovered, through an exchange with a friend, that the one thing a leftist can't handle or deal with is an intelligent, articulate, savage with no abhorance of violence. They cloak themselves in the false protection of "civility" with no recourse other than victimhood and no understanding of manhood, honor, or respect.
]]>Greg Nicholshttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138094-A-discoveryThe Reality of Modern Day Civilian Policinghttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138091-The-Reality-of-Modern-Day-Civilian-Policing&goto=newpost
Fri, 09 Feb 2018 02:22:07 GMTI was on the weapon's range when I read the comment about police having extra rights. We'd just been briefed the Internal Affairs was now going to investigation accidental, unintentional and negligent weapon discharges that occur in the field, and even in the range's training environment. We just learned those who had difficulty passing qualification would have their POST certificates submitted for suspension as well. While I don't necessarily have a problem with certain aspects of these new actions it certainly hasn't left me feeling police have extra rights. Actually, I think police are predisposed to being guilty until proven innocent by their agency and especially by the public.. So, let's look at the reality of modern day policing. If you were an officer in the past - great - but times have changed and good for you, but times have changed. That was probably true when you looked back at the previous generations of police when you were a boot as well. If you were military police - great - but times have changed as well. Not to diminish experience, but if you aren't doing it now - you simply aren't doing it now.

The modern day police officer is in a unique position. Here is a good summation of the situation using bullet points for simplicity:

The public hates him - he's responsible for holding them accountable and people don't generally appreciate that.

His agency hates him - he's a human that may do his best but he may also make mistakes. Those mistakes create liability, sway public opinion, and make office-dwelling administration types afraid.

His family hates him - he's always gone, has inconvenient shifts, gets to deal with death, destruction, blood, guts, torn child vaginas and rectums, heads in buckets, self-imporant wealth persons and then he must turn all this off and become the perfect husband, father, brother, etc. the moment he gets home. Tomorrow is more of the same.

He hates himself - he joined the agency to fight crime, kill bad guys, protect citizens and now has to dodge internal affairs, internal oversight, spreadsheet-producing-office-dwellers telling him he's a racist and he wonders where he went wrong. He knows he will never be rich, but will makes ends meet with off-duty and overtime only.

Is this overly dramatic - sort of yes, maybe and sometimes...but there it is. So far I don't see the extra rights here.

Why do modern day police do what they do? Here's a partial list, same bullet-points for simplicity:

Despite being hated by everyone and everything, he knows he stands for right and that's never wrong.

Despite having a target on his back from the public and his own agency, he knows if he doesn't do the job right then, right where he's at, it may not be done and it needs to be done.

Despite all the family issues the career produces, he knows it is a honorable, worthy career he can be proud of. The family knows this too, but has to be willing to sacrifice to support him - this is not always the case.

At the end of his life, he can be proud of what he did, who he helped, who he killed, who he saved, and who he bled with. He can be proud of his work ethic and product.

Despite the bullshit of the job, he knows actually makes a difference. Yes, capitalists make money. Yes, socialists (true sense) push social goals forward, but the law enforcement officer - he makes real, honest, life and death decision-making choices that affect lives. If he weren't there it wouldn't be done.

So, it isn't about free coffee, a cool uniform or extra rights. The modern day law enforcement officer is about making an impossible situation seem merely difficult in the fast of odds stacked against him by the public, his agency and his personal life. Why does he persevere? Simple - he makes a true positive difference the rich can't purchased, the intellectual, office-bound manager can't fathom and the self-centered public can't imagine. When we die, I do not believe God will say, "How much money did you earn?" or "How large of a house did you have, or what sort of car did you drive?" I think he'll be interested in old fashion blood, sweat and tears kill-the-evil-person/save-the-good-person/help-those-who-couldn't-do-if-for-themselves law enforcement officer. Yes, money is nice...very nice. When I look at who I've put in prison, the grave or who's alive...well, that's why I do the job. There's a cost to it - a heavy cost to be sure, but if it were easy everyone would be doing it.

Extra rights? Haven't seen those yet.

For what it's worth.

J

I will say this. The LEO's lot may suck at times - rock at others - but if you can handle the shit, gore and sadness, stick up for the righteous and weak, then grab a vest, rifle and I'll see you at shift briefing. This is why we do what we do.
]]>JonathanNobodyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138091-The-Reality-of-Modern-Day-Civilian-PolicingThe Spartans were Morons- Interesting Perspectivehttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138060-The-Spartans-were-Morons-Interesting-Perspective&goto=newpost
Tue, 06 Feb 2018 19:52:19 GMTSorry about the Clickbait title, but it’s the name of the article.

In a nutshell; The Spartans were a culture that focused only on war. And furthermore, their belief that their fighting style and tactics were superior to any other (no advancement) is what kept them from building an empire and ultimately led to their demise.

Interested in the WT commentary and discussion on the article.

https://taskandpurpose.com/the-spart..._medium=social
]]>callmebubbahttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138060-The-Spartans-were-Morons-Interesting-PerspectiveMy great nephew had his first day at the police academyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138051-My-great-nephew-had-his-first-day-at-the-police-academy&goto=newpost
Mon, 05 Feb 2018 23:41:23 GMTOpened FB and saw my great nephew had his first day at the police academy today, this was my post:
Walker I hope you get to be much older. A prayer for your safety and success. You will experience things that will make you stronger than you thought possible and you will see things that never go away. It is a job that will always shade the way you see life. Best advice came from my Sarge, Mike Persin-- A man makes the badge, the badge does not make the man. Good Luck.
ChoirboyOpened FB and saw my great nephew had his first day at the police academy today, this was my post:

Walker I hope you get to be much older. A prayer for your safety and success. You will experience things that will make you stronger than you thought possible and you will see things that never go away. It is a job that will always shade the way you see life. Best advice came from my Sarge, Mike Persin-- A man makes the badge, the badge does not make the man. Good Luck.

Choirboy
]]>choirboyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138051-My-great-nephew-had-his-first-day-at-the-police-academyhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138043-Don-t-finish-their-way&goto=newpost
Mon, 05 Feb 2018 14:41:21 GMTI recently received a video of a man being tortured to death by a group of Cartel as they laughed and had a good time doing it. I don’t know what the victim’s transgressions were and I don’t really care. The savagery displayed by the perpetrators didn’t disgust or horrify me, it enraged me. These people aren’t even human in my eyes anymore. I had the immediate urge to take these animals off of the planet.
I discussed this video with the member of the forum who sent it to me and the first thing he said to me was “This takes me back to your 3 day TASI class” and our path of discussion walked around how and why you can’t be mentally weak and unprepared in this day and age. If conflict comes your way you need to be prepared physically, mentally, and martially to handle your business. You need to fight like you’re the third monkey on the ramp to the ark and brother, it’s starting to rain. Giving up is not a choice and shouldn’t be a mental option, and from a legitimate point if you get snatched you better be fighting the whole way, don’t let fear cloud your judgement and be willing to take a bullet or be beaten to death while fighting because it’s a far better option.
We focus a lot on jihadis and liberals but don’t forget that real threats from large groups exist outside of that and just minding your own business isn’t going to cut it anymore as they spread out and become larger and more dangerous, including gangs, cartel, jihadis, BLM, and many others.
Let’s discuss.I recently received a video of a man being tortured to death by a group of Cartel as they laughed and had a good time doing it. I don’t know what the victim’s transgressions were and I don’t really care. The savagery displayed by the perpetrators didn’t disgust or horrify me, it enraged me. These people aren’t even human in my eyes anymore. I had the immediate urge to take these animals off of the planet.

I discussed this video with the member of the forum who sent it to me and the first thing he said to me was “This takes me back to your 3 day TASI class” and our path of discussion walked around how and why you can’t be mentally weak and unprepared in this day and age. If conflict comes your way you need to be prepared physically, mentally, and martially to handle your business. You need to fight like you’re the third monkey on the ramp to the ark and brother, it’s starting to rain. Giving up is not a choice and shouldn’t be a mental option, and from a legitimate point if you get snatched you better be fighting the whole way, don’t let fear cloud your judgement and be willing to take a bullet or be beaten to death while fighting because it’s a far better option.

We focus a lot on jihadis and liberals but don’t forget that real threats from large groups exist outside of that and just minding your own business isn’t going to cut it anymore as they spread out and become larger and more dangerous, including gangs, cartel, jihadis, BLM, and many others.

Let’s discuss.
]]>Greg Nicholshttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?138043-Don-t-finish-their-wayMy Garage Training “Range.”http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?137975-My-Garage-Training-“Range-”&goto=newpost
Tue, 30 Jan 2018 01:48:50 GMTLiving in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia, you have to be creative in order to maximize your training opportunities. Recent laws have made getting ammunition difficult and expensive: Illegal to have it mailed to your home, illegal to buy it in another state and drive it over the CA border, illegal to purchase from unlicensed sellers, and others.
Over the years I’ve invested in various laser training systems including laser bullets, targets, and even one of the deluxe SIRT pistols. Plus using Airsoft with some full-sized pellet traps I fabbed up that allowed me to use full-size targets and place them anywhere in my house. (Full-color photo targets work best.) As much as I like the SIRT and Airsoft, there was always the issue of the training tools not matching up enough to the real thing. No RMR, trigger feel, etc.
After much trial and error, I put together laser-based dry-fire range in my garage that allows me to use my real RMR G19, my holsters, mag pouches etc.
It uses the Laser Ammo laser cartridge with barrel tube. Of all the ones I’ve tried, this one holds true zero even through reloads and other manipulations and fits my holsters with minimal mods. (No mods if the holster was set up for a threaded barrel.)
Attachment 54762 (http://www.warriortalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54762)
The mag is a training-only mag, with no follower/spring and then filled with wheel weights so it weighs exactly the same as fully loaded 19 mag. So the gun handles/feels the same as the actual loaded weapon. I have a couple of G17 mags set up the same. (A little geeky maybe, but it works for me.)
The targets are a combo deal. The Laser Ammo LaserPet at the top is my face-shot target. (1-inch target mask.) Also has countdown/shot timer modes. Middle is a LaserLyte for “center mass.” Then on the bottom are some self-adhesive 1” and 2” reflectors for working “Istanbul Drills.”
Attachment 54763 (http://www.warriortalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54763)
The self-adhesive reflectors work really well. They are cheap (Amazon), and can be stuck anywhere. If you get a good hit, you get a nice bright flash. Much cheaper than buying more laser targets!
Attachment 54764 (http://www.warriortalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54764)Attachment 54765 (http://www.warriortalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54765)
In the garage I can only get a max distance of about 25 feet, but playing with angles in my house up to almost 50’. All works well, and man has it really increased my speed and smoothness from draw to dot to hit.
As always, thanks to SI and all at WT for the knowledge, experience, and motivation to always train, always try.Living in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia, you have to be creative in order to maximize your training opportunities. Recent laws have made getting ammunition difficult and expensive: Illegal to have it mailed to your home, illegal to buy it in another state and drive it over the CA border, illegal to purchase from unlicensed sellers, and others.

Over the years I’ve invested in various laser training systems including laser bullets, targets, and even one of the deluxe SIRT pistols. Plus using Airsoft with some full-sized pellet traps I fabbed up that allowed me to use full-size targets and place them anywhere in my house. (Full-color photo targets work best.) As much as I like the SIRT and Airsoft, there was always the issue of the training tools not matching up enough to the real thing. No RMR, trigger feel, etc.

After much trial and error, I put together laser-based dry-fire range in my garage that allows me to use my real RMR G19, my holsters, mag pouches etc.

It uses the Laser Ammo laser cartridge with barrel tube. Of all the ones I’ve tried, this one holds true zero even through reloads and other manipulations and fits my holsters with minimal mods. (No mods if the holster was set up for a threaded barrel.)

The mag is a training-only mag, with no follower/spring and then filled with wheel weights so it weighs exactly the same as fully loaded 19 mag. So the gun handles/feels the same as the actual loaded weapon. I have a couple of G17 mags set up the same. (A little geeky maybe, but it works for me.)

The targets are a combo deal. The Laser Ammo LaserPet at the top is my face-shot target. (1-inch target mask.) Also has countdown/shot timer modes. Middle is a LaserLyte for “center mass.” Then on the bottom are some self-adhesive 1” and 2” reflectors for working “Istanbul Drills.”

In the garage I can only get a max distance of about 25 feet, but playing with angles in my house up to almost 50’. All works well, and man has it really increased my speed and smoothness from draw to dot to hit.

As always, thanks to SI and all at WT for the knowledge, experience, and motivation to always train, always try.

]]>OmegaDShttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?137975-My-Garage-Training-“Range-”Saw this on another forumhttp://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?137963-Saw-this-on-another-forum&goto=newpost
Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:07:15 GMTSaw this quote on another forum, a local one here in VA.

Someone who is trying to be "good", should be dangerous, otherwise there is no Force to you; nothing to contend with. The pathway to virtue is to be able to be a Monster, and then choose not to be one. - Jordan Peterson
]]>http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?137963-Saw-this-on-another-forumWhat is your backup plan?http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?137925-What-is-your-backup-plan&goto=newpost
Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:31:35 GMTI think everyone thinks of either a backup gun or a “retreat to home/truck/cabin bunker in the woods” when that question comes up. What I’m thinking of sort of came up in a recent thread about what we actually “load out” with on a daily basis. I think a lot of us aren’t some type of law enforcement so we have to carry at our jobs and out during our errands and social lives. I want to focus on carry inside your workplace however.
Sadly, a lot of workplaces are becoming no weapons businesses that we are working in. Now, we ultimately choose to work there...in the most general sense of the idea but, what we choose to do about our “carry considerations” will have a profound impact on the continuation of our job/career.
Some thoughts to consider:
If we are working at a “no weapons “ business and it’s not illegal to carry, what, if we do a poor job, is our backup plan should we get fired (but not arrested) and are we already ultimately prepared to face that consequence? Now, we can go back and forth about how we “didn’t adhere to concealed means concealed” etc and yes, it is OUR rear ends and OUR decision to carry and not do a great job concealing whatever firearm we choose. That is not the idea behind this topic however.
What is your backup plan? Do you have a savings account to live off of until you find another job? Do you have a way to make quick money such as liquid assets? IF the company TRIES to press unsubstantiated charges, are we prepared and ready to afford and retain our own legal counsel...AND stick out that legal battle for the duration? We always talk about the kind of prepared it takes to be a good fighter or medic. What about when it comes to Life concerning our decision to carry?
Then we have the legal NPE topic...
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI think everyone thinks of either a backup gun or a “retreat to home/truck/cabin bunker in the woods” when that question comes up. What I’m thinking of sort of came up in a recent thread about what we actually “load out” with on a daily basis. I think a lot of us aren’t some type of law enforcement so we have to carry at our jobs and out during our errands and social lives. I want to focus on carry inside your workplace however.

Sadly, a lot of workplaces are becoming no weapons businesses that we are working in. Now, we ultimately choose to work there...in the most general sense of the idea but, what we choose to do about our “carry considerations” will have a profound impact on the continuation of our job/career.

Some thoughts to consider:

If we are working at a “no weapons “ business and it’s not illegal to carry, what, if we do a poor job, is our backup plan should we get fired (but not arrested) and are we already ultimately prepared to face that consequence? Now, we can go back and forth about how we “didn’t adhere to concealed means concealed” etc and yes, it is OUR rear ends and OUR decision to carry and not do a great job concealing whatever firearm we choose. That is not the idea behind this topic however.

What is your backup plan? Do you have a savings account to live off of until you find another job? Do you have a way to make quick money such as liquid assets? IF the company TRIES to press unsubstantiated charges, are we prepared and ready to afford and retain our own legal counsel...AND stick out that legal battle for the duration? We always talk about the kind of prepared it takes to be a good fighter or medic. What about when it comes to Life concerning our decision to carry?

Then we have the legal NPE topic...

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