So if one wants to do a clean install and they purchased the $29 copy of SL, the procedure is . . . ?

One will probably be able to do a clean install of SL without having a Leopard disc, but whether the license says it's allowed without a Leopard disc is a question yet to be answered AFAIK. My guess is the license will permit it. If you're running Tiger and want to avoid a clean install of Snow Leopard, though, you will need a Leopard disc and have to do the upgrade in 2 stages.

The price of Leopard has come down many places, by the way. Only $97 on amazon.

Apple definitely needed to make this break with their past OS X artwork. It's too hard to remember which giant "X" is which: The gloopy blue X, The steely iron X, the cat spots X (how many different cats do actually have spots?) It was getting difficult to identify a specific version of OS X just by the big "X" logo itself.

I could never keep Tiger and Leopard straight in my head. Was Tiger the new one or Leopard? Calling new one Snow Leopard makes it much easier to realize/remember that Snow Leopard is an upgrade of Leopard. And a new colored X wouldn't help.

Seriously, you can't afford the $33 total it would cost at most with sales tax? This isn't Adobe trying to foist another $2K CS update on you, its Apple giving you a great price on a highly improved and optimized OS.

As for the box art, it looks like they're going more Appstore style with all of the app/feature icons spread across the back.

Don't be so quick to criticize, a lot of people I know have been torrenting it just to get it early, and are just going to install the retail version once it comes out. Not all torrenting is to steal!

One will probably be able to do a clean install of SL without having a Leopard disc, but whether the license says it's allowed without a Leopard disc is a question yet to be answered AFAIK. My guess is the license will permit it. If you're running Tiger and want to avoid a clean install of Snow Leopard, though, you will need a Leopard disc and have to do the upgrade in 2 stages.

The price of Leopard has come down many places, by the way. Only $97 on amazon.

Tiger users will need to buy the Mac Box Set for $169 (maybe less or more), which will include SL, iLife 09, and iWork 09. My guess that you will be able to do clean install from the $29 Snow Leopard DVD without the need to install Leopard first. If Apple want to make it a little harder then they might just ask you to insert your Leopard DVD to confirm that you have it before the setup start. Once the DVD confirmed you might be asked to reinsert your Snow Leopard DVD to start the installation. However, your Mac must have an OS (Tiger, Leopard, or SL) installed and the installation DVD can check your HDD for which version you have.

The $29 upgrade will require Leopard, but I have to imagine they will sell a full version for $129.

BTW - Just downloaded the box art from the PR site and it is the current box not the new SL box, my bad... I still believe that SL will very closely resemble the current OSX.

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So if one wants to do a clean install and they purchased the $29 copy of SL, the procedure is . . . ?

There are four versions of Snow Leopard for consumers:

• The $29 version for people already running Leopard
• The $49 family pack version (5 licenses) for people running Leopard.
• The $169 version for people not running Leopard, but that also includes the iLife and iWork ’09.
• The $229 family pack version (5 licenses) for people not running Leopard, but that also includes the iLife and iWork ’09.

The procedure will be interesting. Apple has never required a license to install OS X so that single version will install on as many Macs as you wish,but this is something new and with the Psystar crap going on it may not be in Apple’s best interest for you to be able to install Snow Leopard on any Intel Mac or hacked version that does not currently have Leopard installed for that price.

The $29 version for people already running Leopard
The $49 family pack version (5 licenses) for people running Leopard.
The $169 version for people not running Leopard, but that also includes the iLife and iWork 09.
The $229 family pack version (5 licenses) for people not running Leopard, but that also includes the iLife and iWork 09.

The procedure will be interesting. Apple has never required a license to install OS X so that single version will install on as many Macs as you wish,but this is something new and with the Psystar crap going on it may not be in Apples best interest for you to be able to install Snow Leopard on any Intel Mac or hacked version that does not currently have Leopard installed for that price.

Psystar has less to do with it than keeping the number of SKUs on the shelf the same and reducing support issues from users who could otherwise combine Snow Leopard with obsolete versions of iLife/iWork apps. It doesn't hurt that Psystar will have to pay the Box Set price to acquire a full Snow Leopard disc, but Psystar will probably bundle the iLife and iWork with their PCs.

A Mac OS X install disc that requires the previous version installed is not unprecedented. The Leopard Up-to-Date fulfillment disc, for customers who bought a Tiger-preloaded Mac after Leopard was announced, requires Tiger to be installed before installing Leopard, which means if those customers purchase the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade, they will have a three-step process (Tiger->Leopard->Snow Leopard) if they need to reinstall.

Regarding the box art, Apple obviously decided the purple nebula thing was way too similar to Leopard and had no marketing value. Apple wants every Leopard user to upgrade. They're not playing down the importance of this release. The only thing down is the price.

Actually Apple is trying to get away from full color boxes cause it requires more ink, which requires printers to work harder, which in turn is bad for the environment.

If you haven't noticed all of Apple's boxes are starting to resemble this style of box. Plus the crease on the back is like every other Apple box I have received, my MacBook Pro had one, MacBook had one, and my Mighty Mouse had one.

Might as well get used to it, this is potentially the final packaging for the software.

Yes. Make sense what you are saying...

but.. i dont know... the photo of that snow leopard is not the best... my sixt sense tell me this one is a fake...

Well, i did some deep research about that pictures, and was taken in Newbridge, Kildare and not in Portugal. I dont know if Apple have something there, like designers of something, maybe someone could help..

Download the full photos and see the details.. you will see the GPS coordinates and was taken on iPhone.. lol...

By the way, other think that proof this photos was not taken in Portugal is the Keyboard of the Macbook, dont have some special characters like "Ç" where is placed the regular english keyboard the character ";"

One will probably be able to do a clean install of SL without having a Leopard disc, but whether the license says it's allowed without a Leopard disc is a question yet to be answered AFAIK. My guess is the license will permit it. If you're running Tiger and want to avoid a clean install of Snow Leopard, though, you will need a Leopard disc and have to do the upgrade in 2 stages.

The price of Leopard has come down many places, by the way. Only $97 on amazon.

eBay has some really attractive prices on Leopard DVD's, for those who currently have Tiger and want to upgrade to Snow Leopard. Be careful, though, and make sure that you purchase the Mac OS X 10.5 retail version of Leopard and not the gray install discs that came with a Mac, because they may not work on a different Mac model.

Don't be so quick to criticize, a lot of people I know have been torrenting it just to get it early, and are just going to install the retail version once it comes out. Not all torrenting is to steal!

Um, that's still breaking the law since you've illegally obtained a piece of software that has neither been cleared for public distribution or been licensed. So, in your case, it is. Now, if you download, say, Ubuntu as a torrent, thats perfectly legal and not stealing. I know, its tricky to figure it all out...

Um, that's still breaking the law since you've illegally obtained a piece of software that has neither been cleared for public distribution or been licensed. So, in your case, it is. Now, if you download, say, Ubuntu as a torrent, thats perfectly legal and not stealing. I know, its tricky to figure it all out...

Quines argument is like saying that its okay to download the DVD of an unreleased movie so long as you plan to buy it when the DVD is out, or to grab the CD prerelease of a musician so long as you plan to buy it when it comes out. I dont think the courts would buy that argument.

The pictures don't seem likely, since Apple's site seems to have pictures of the disk and the box (of 10.6 server). They're variants of Leopard.

Apple changed its mind about the artwork between then and now. Amazon had those same preview images at first but they were asked to take them down.

As for "variants of Leopard", all versions of Mac OS X are variants of each other. Snow Leopard is actually a major release but most of the changes are under the hood. They dropped the price in line with perception of "lack of features". The low price is ironic because this is likely going to be the best OS Apple has ever released by far.

It is very weird to totally have that kind of packaging. Using internal codenames as external branding too much. This is the kind of stuff Steve is letting pass more and more, IMHO, as he delegates out a lot of tasks. iPhone 3GS .That was also a weird name. "3G with an S for Speed!". Un-Apple.

"Err.. it's called Snow Leopard, so, what the heck, put a picture of a Snow Leopard there and just use our standard type, voila!" ...Strange.

But the good Un-Apple bits are the MacBook Pro 13" all with SD, backlit-keybaord, all supporting 8GB of RAM, etc. etc.

Our favourite fruit company continues to evolve, and is it just me or is Steve Jobs SUPER LOW PROFILE since the transplant operation. He is far, far below the radar right now.

Not taking a side on whether Apple was brilliant or classy or lazy or this is a fake or anything, just trying to express my general daze and confusion here.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the (Apple press) screenshot of QT player has a "Share" menu. Presumably this is with the Youtube, MobileMe, Facebook etc integration that we've seen with iPhoto 09 for instance. Any other ideas???

Whoever did this is pretty decent with Photoshop but overlooked the concepts of brand identity, continuity, and packaging. A lot of design effort went into the "space/time machine" themes that evoke perceptions of advanced technological innovations accessible to common users. It's unlikely that they would suddenly drop the branding that they've spent the last two years developing and gradually rolling out (to ditch for a nature theme). Also, there are so many inconsistencies with the package design: The objects on the box cover are not centered and aligned appropriately. On the back box cover, the columns are not centered correctly, the icon images are left justified, and the description of Microsoft Exchange Support seems to be missing the MS Exchange icon-- that would never happen. The icons are missing their reflections and there is no mention of Quicktime X. The box is the wrong size and has too much white (empty) space. Apple branding and packaging is usually cleaner, tighter, and more dynamic (reflecting the company image). This would never leave Cupertino.

NOW I just want to ask whether you (or anyone else who's commented similarly) about how long you've owned a Mac for. Don't act like you know Apple's branding and design ethics until you've seen where their recent motif started (around 2002, with their change to Myriad Pro as their corporate font).

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The box is the wrong size and has too much white (empty) space. Apple branding and packaging is usually cleaner, tighter, and more dynamic (reflecting the company image). This would never leave Cupertino.

BTW I had a dream last night or a few nights before, where the way you determine whether your Mac will support Snow Leopard 64bit *kernel* is based on "everything from serial number ***888 an onwards" or something like that. Yes, it was a dream, it doesn't make much sense now that I think about it... But it could be something Apple might do... at least in terms of setting a cut-off date of some kind...

NOW I just want to ask whether you (or anyone else who's commented similarly) about how long you've owned a Mac for. Don't act like you know Apple's branding and design ethics until you've seen where their recent motif started (around 2002, with their change to Myriad Pro as their corporate font).

Get an iLife box.

Yeaaa mate I do recall when Apple used a lot of Adobe Garamond, IIRC? Back when I was a wee lad just learning mah web design and typography. Bought my first Mac in 2001, an iBook G3 I believe.

There's still two possibilities in my mind. A: This is a very elaborate fake. B: Without Steve realy actively involved this kind of stuff can slip out. Design-wise the sudden switch to a Nature picture on the disc is not something you would really expect from Apple.

And yes, like I said before, I remember when Apple was in deep love with Adobe Garamond and that gelatinous blue-ish pseudo-3D stuff ie. Aqua. I have been surfin the Apple website since about the year 2000 so I think I know a little about what I am saying.

All the public branding out there for Snow Leopard really does stylishly, sensibly tie-in with how they are positioning Snow Leopard as "Leopard-gets-even-better". To totally ditch the space imagery for a animal picture is abrupt. Not saying it can't happen, it's just very strange.

I think the nature picture box, if it truly originated somewhere in Apple HQ, is a honeypot of sorts to trace leaks.

Whoever did this is pretty decent with Photoshop but overlooked the concepts of brand identity, continuity, and packaging. A lot of design effort went into the "space/time machine" themes that evoke perceptions of advanced technological innovations accessible to common users. It's unlikely that they would suddenly drop the branding that they've spent the last two years developing and gradually rolling out (to ditch for a nature theme). Also, there are so many inconsistencies with the package design: The objects on the box cover are not centered and aligned appropriately. On the back box cover, the columns are not centered correctly, the icon images are left justified, and the description of Microsoft Exchange Support seems to be missing the MS Exchange icon-- that would never happen. The icons are missing their reflections and there is no mention of Quicktime X. The box is the wrong size and has too much white (empty) space. Apple branding and packaging is usually cleaner, tighter, and more dynamic (reflecting the company image). This would never leave Cupertino.

I agree in terms of the icons not making any sense. Time Machine and iChat on the left hand side? What's so new about them? And on the right hand side no Exchange icon? Just iCal and Mail and Address Book? Very very fishy.

NOW I just want to ask whether you (or anyone else who's commented similarly) about how long you've owned a Mac for. Don't act like you know Apple's branding and design ethics until you've seen where their recent motif started (around 2002, with their change to Myriad Pro as their corporate font).

Get an iLife box.

All I'm saying is that I think it looks really unprofessional. Messy layout and composition and a questionable choise of photo. It's all a mess in my eyes. Even though I didn't quite like the Leopard box personally I think it was really professional and cool with the holographic stuff and all.. but this..? I don't care a second about style guides and stuff, I just think it looks really unprofessional. You're free to think it looks great of course

It's a Landmark deal. Even people like me who regularly whine about the overpriced and misaligned nature of Apple's desktops has to accept...this is unprecedented.

But I guess even Apple recognise, they need this release to be widely accepted by the Intel userbase so they can flog a 'feature fest' of 'consumer' 'features' in the next release. It's a very deft political move to kill PPC once and for all, move on...and in the same breath put another stake in the walking zombie that is M$.

*Applauds.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

...but it's ironic that as Snow Leopard leads the way to a 'desktop/laptop' revival against the Wintel hedgemony...the true blueprint for 'OSEX' victory is being prepared on the 3rd Age of Computing. The true portable ie iPhone and the pending iTab (macbook netbook replacement?)

Apple are handing M$ their a** in the next great age.

It's called poetic justice.

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

I really don't get the backlash. I'm hearing a lot of "oh this is so un-Apple"...As if Apple's design ethic is a static target. Apple re-brands itself all the time. And I, for one, think the Snow leopard photo artwork is pretty good. It's strikingly dissimilar from OS X 10.5, which it should be. This is the foundation of the next generation of OS X releases, its art should reflect that.

Also, to the commenter on the First Page who claimed this looks like something MS would do, you can't just invoke MS whenever you dislike something Apple does. This artwork is nothing like Microsoft, their artwork is all primary and secondary colours with abstract shapes and patters in ludicrously over complicated boxes. Apple's boxes are small and simple, with simple art. Kind of like our friend the Snow Leopard as seen in these photos.