MH17 Black Box Data Shows Evidence Of Missile Strike

That's pretty much what I figured happened honestly. With the clouds, and an AN-26 supposed to be in the area, a system that can't identify one
plane from another would have a hard time telling them apart, and it would be easy to make a mistake.

Right. And the Russians that are "volunteering" in the rebel leadership are Spec-Ops and intelligence. They understand that even in the face of
overwhelming evidence all you need to do is provide enough misinformation, propaganda and denials to muddy the waters and impede any investigation
that might provide further facts. The public at large doesn't have the time, energy or intellectual endurance to sort through the mass of
contradictory information. That said, anyone educated on the specifics or that takes the time to sift BS from actual evidence knows with very strong
probability what occurred and what did not.

but unfortunately nobody knows if the MH17 was or not on route when was hit so it can be hit from north or from south....

The SA-11 is a radar-guided missile and thus is it possible that instead of aiming the main "body" of the airplane aimed the cockpit running very
close to the possibility to miss the "target" ? (Only few meters and the pilots were safe...)
Or is more likely that the missile was a air-to-air missile with "radar homing" capabilities thus justifying the fact that the missile "target" was
the MH17 navigation radar ?

If you agree with me that there is a concrete possibility of a air-to-air missile fired very likely from a fighter, I would like to hear your
"tactical" opinion taking into consideration that, for what I know, the "militia" has 1 fighter and Ukraine army has many tens....
Does anybody know which kind of air-to-air "radar homing" missile can be fired from a SU-25 ? ?

If you like I can post also a picture sequence that shows "MHC Militia personnel" searching "something" in the MH17 cockpit remains and consequently
dismantling all the remaining cockpit devices... searching evidences against Ukrainian army or trying to hide "critical" proofs.... ?

That's pretty much what I figured happened honestly. With the clouds, and an AN-26 supposed to be in the area, a system that can't identify one
plane from another would have a hard time telling them apart, and it would be easy to make a mistake.

Right. And the Russians that are "volunteering" in the rebel leadership are Spec-Ops and intelligence. They understand that even in the face of
overwhelming evidence all you need to do is provide enough misinformation, propaganda and denials to muddy the waters and impede any investigation
that might provide further facts. The public at large doesn't have the time, energy or intellectual endurance to sort through the mass of
contradictory information. That said, anyone educated on the specifics or that takes the time to sift BS from actual evidence knows with very strong
probability what occurred and what did not.

West has all the time and money (these are governments, not public) to carry a most expansive investigation. What is 60 inspectors doing there?

Russians are not doing anything. Send 600 more inspectors. It is your choice.

An Su-25 is a ground attack aircraft. You don't put the latest and greatest air to air missiles on a ground attack aircraft, because it is never
going to be a fighter. It would be slaughtered before it could ever get a shot off. You can modify it all you want, but you're not going to turn a
frog into a race horse.

That's pretty much what I figured happened honestly. With the clouds, and an AN-26 supposed to be in the area, a system that can't identify one
plane from another would have a hard time telling them apart, and it would be easy to make a mistake.

Right. And the Russians that are "volunteering" in the rebel leadership are Spec-Ops and intelligence. They understand that even in the face of
overwhelming evidence all you need to do is provide enough misinformation, propaganda and denials to muddy the waters and impede any investigation
that might provide further facts. The public at large doesn't have the time, energy or intellectual endurance to sort through the mass of
contradictory information. That said, anyone educated on the specifics or that takes the time to sift BS from actual evidence knows with very strong
probability what occurred and what did not.

West has all the time and money (these are governments, not public) to carry a most expansive investigation. What is 60 inspectors doing there?

Russians are not doing anything. Send 600 more inspectors. It is your choice.

That is a strange response?

What is the difference between 6 neutral, unarmed investigators having a gun shoved in their face and told to turn around and 600?

Yes, if you look it's a lot of implications, without any supporting evidence, implying maybe the Ukraine sent a fighter to shoot it down, but they
never explicitly stated it. Because they knew from the start it was the Ukraine rebels and not a jet.

Its been their mantra since they started this mess.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
They just wanted to deflect blame as long as possible and muddy the waters.

Russia or posters in the forums?

Russia, posters on this forum are not trying to muddy the waters they are just flat out lying and spewing anti-West hate filled rhetoric with no facts
to back it up. They don't need facts though, they have feelings and opinions, the kind of stuff that shrugs off actual factual posts.

So Xcathdra is allowed to continuously spew lies about Russia "invading" Ukraine because he is pro-American? There is no evidence that Russia has
ever invaded Ukraine, and if we want to go by his definition of invasion, then the USA is currently invading almost the entirety of Africa where it
has special forces operating on the ground to achieve pro-USA objectives. If Xcathdra is not willing to drop his double standards of Americentrism vs
other countries' foreign policies, then he is nothing short of a hypocrite and should be treated as such.

A great example of this hypocrisy is in posting a thread claiming evidence that the separatists shot down the plane with a theatre SAM, while
completely ignoring the reality that in order for the Buk system to operate, it needs several different functioning components instead of just a
single launcher that the separatists confiscated.

He also ignores the fact that the Ukrainian Army had all these Buk components established and running in four sites around Donetsk just days before
the plane was taken down. In other words, his evidence further incriminates the complicit Ukrainian regime, which has been withholding and falsifying
evidence to hide its complicity. The Ukrainian regime has also been attacking the area around the crash site with artillery and intimidating
international observers from analyzing the site.

originally posted by: Vovin
There is no evidence that Russia has ever invaded Ukraine,

Indeed, apart from the deployment of 30,000 + Russian Soldiers in the Crimea and the subsequent annexation of said territory, they've never invaded
the Ukraine at all.....

C'mon, really? Even Putin himself owned up to Russian forces being deployed in the end yet you're still claiming they didn't? And you're whining about
others "spewing lies" when you seem to be take the lead in all the "spewing"

originally posted by: Vovin
There is no evidence that Russia has ever invaded Ukraine,

Indeed, apart from the deployment of 30,000 + Russian Soldiers in the Crimea and the subsequent annexation of said territory, they've never invaded
the Ukraine at all.....

C'mon, really? Even Putin himself owned up to Russian forces being deployed in the end yet you're still claiming they didn't? And you're whining about
others "spewing lies" when you seem to be take the lead in all the "spewing"

Yup, Americans spewing the same lies.

Funny how I'm Canadian and I don't believe that Russia invaded Ukraine. Maybe it's because my government was promoting that narrative, and 90% of my
country distrusts those liars.

I still don't understand why Americans fall for the same lies every time. Maybe you just need to get your ass kicked in a major war to finally stop
rallying for more.

Seriously though, 30,000 Russians invaded Ukraine? What are you smoking? It was your State Department officials handing out cookies to neo-Nazis.
There's proof of that.

Where's the proof of this fantasy Russian invasion? There is none. If Russia invaded Ukraine it would have been a decisive victory with a lot of
dead neo-Nazi wannabes and crocodile tears from American state officials.

The West has always divided nations and put entire populations in misery. What Russia did in Crimea is correct.

Russia must invade Ukraine to set the record straight. This is the logical thing to do. Not invading is a problem.

It seems you not only fell for that farce of a vote - widely discredited around the world as such - but also seem to have you chronology of events
mixed up also.

The "vote" took place after 30,000 Russian troops poured out of Sevastopol (in breach of their treaty with the Ukraine). I'd love to
see you adequately explain what you think it was those soldiers were doing if not invading a Sovereign country?

First of all, I'm not an American - that much is obvious from even a cursory glance at my avatar, signature or profile.. Based on your obvious lack
of observational skills, that does call into question your views on anything else, much less the invasion of the Crimea.

How can you honestly sit their and deny it took place, when even Russia has admitted as much themselves? They even got Duma approval for it!!!!

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