Is the Canon EOS RP right for you?

Is the Canon EOS RP right for you?

We've put the wraps on our full review of Canon's EOS RP, where we look at its image quality, autofocus and more. But is it the right camera for you, and the style of photography you enjoy? Taking the RP into account as a whole, here's how we think it stacks up for these common photographic use-cases.

NCB - "Wrap-up is positive about the camera, the preceding sections mostly negative"

Most reviews of this camera have drawn a similar conclusion, i.e. that the specification is mediocre, the performance below average etc. But they usually end with the comment "a very likeable camera that is more than the sum of its parts".

Novices don't buy a camera purely on the basis of specification or performance. They are also strongly influenced by ease of use, styling, etc.

For a novice, the 35mm F1.8 macro and the 24-240mm zoom are probably more than enough to keep them happy until the belated arrival of additional affordable lenses.

It's such a waste of money ... at least you will see a good jump in quality when you switch later to a better camera.

Who will switch.APS-C Canon users - they can not use their old lenses and have one fitting prime. 5D users ... will not take the step back in picture quality I bet. New users ... will not buy into the system without fitting lenses (no, most won't buy dslr lenses just tu buy the new and better mirrorless ones shortly after) 6D users ... will get the same picture quality. Why switch?

Of course the camera will still sell and I can imagine in 2-3 years this will grow to a nice system. But in the moment - waste of money.

+1. Just right. Atm, it's cheaper to get a 5D...6D Series 2nd hand, choose from the great EF Series of Lenses, and take a look back at the EOS R(F) Mount System into 2-3 years..should being more mature by 2021/2022 then.

Some commenters wrote it will be a great update cause you have a better display and touchscreen and stuff like that. Do you really need that for a photography experience? I need enough dials to be quick and a reliable AF system for the family stuff (which is the excuse to get all this expensive stuff, so I better deliver ;-))

Of course the display has to be good enough but I prefer enough buttons so I don't need to touch the menue over a touchmenue 😊

Actually as update from a 5Dii I really can imagine it's a good experience.

I like my Canon m6 which is nearly the same camera as the m50, the only difference is the EVF and 4K. Rest the same. M series cameras will disappear when Sony A6xxx cameras disappear, which means never. I had the A6000 and sold it. The Canon m6 with dual pixel is clearly better and faster processor than the older A6000, (no disrespect to the new faster A6400)..

Do you guys who are slamming RP and M cameras, probably do not even own a Canon or do you?... Like JustmeMN said, m50 is a top seller and also Compact Mirrorless Camera of the Year from Dprevew in Dec. 2018 in its price range.

No way. Someday, it'll go for 799 USD, and that is the right price for the RP, like i''ve written many times before...the RP does have too many restrictions. (IQ, IBIS lacking, DR, Sensor Performance, 4K Crop, etc.)

There have already being too much Infos, Cover Stories about the EOS RP either way, no offense.

Hasn't there been enough of the RP? Yes, you love it, it's cheap and pretty good. We get it. Now how about something else?

If I count correctly, you have 7 product reviews in progress (Oly M1X, Pana S1/R and G90/95, Sony A6400, Lecia Q2, Ricoh GR). Apart from the G95, every camera on that list is more interesting than the RP.

I don't mean this as a hate or flame post, just giving some feedback...

The Canon is going to generate a lot more clicks and interest overall, and it is the exact sort of camera people will be researching and looking for help deciding on. Same way Car & Driver doing a compact SUV review might be 'boring' but it will help drive a lot of traffic.

But even if the RP is the most popular camera ever, how many articles do we need to say the same things over and over: "it's affordable, it handles good, it has almost no appropriate lenses and has crappy video and an outdated sensor." All this has been known since the first look. Just make the review a sticky on the frontpage for a month or 2 and move on...

@samfan The DPR popularity ranking is simply a measure of which cameras had articles getting clicked on lately—which means that it is just a measure of which cameras had articles published about them recently. As a supporting evidence, the old, entry-grade Rebel SL2 currently sits at second place in the rankings as of right now, a bizarre phenomenon that can only be explained by the fact that it’s the very first item on the “Best DSLRs of 2019” article, which has been one of the lead items on DPR for the last few days.

tl;dr: the DPR popularity ranking has no relationship to the camera’s actual popularity among DPR users.

but its true. I never do video. The last thing I want is to pay for video in a camera which I will never use. I would have preferred them to leave it out completely and drop the launch price even lower.

Perhaps the biggest advantage that Canon RP and Nikon Z have is the adapters, so that existing users don't have to abandon their DSLR glass (some people seem to forget this and are quick to point out the other problems with the systems, like banding after you push the exposure 5/6 stops). Sony is making progress on FF glass, but are still behind Nikon and Canon when it comes to OEM glass. In the mean time, Canon and Nikon are releasing more glass for the new system so that existing DSLR users who are not willing to dump their DSLR glass just yet, have a place to go once they decide to upgrad/retire their old glass.

And as for the physical looks of the camera body, who cares? I don't think many people will look at a final edited photo and go "Gosh, that was taken with an ugly camera.": In fact, I think most will comment on the physical appeal of the image (or its problems) but not mention one word about the camera brand that was used to capture the image. (continued...)

(continued...) cameras these days are just light capturing boxes. Yes there is the ergonomics factor, but I think most of the manufacturers out there are addressing this (one thing I liked about th Z cameras is they took the DSLR grip and kept it rather than trying to re-create a newer, smaller grip). Holding it might feel a little like DSLR in that regard, but without the weight (for the most part, the Z6 isn't much lighter than my D750 was) and it has the most common features or mirrorless. The RP and Z are Canon and Nikon's first FF mirrorless. Sony has had about 3-4 years (maybe longer) to work on theirs, so naturally they will be ahead of the game (at least in terms of bodies and sensor technology) but Nikon and Canon are gaining speed and if they play their cards right, they will remain relevant in the ML market for years to come. To me, the RP just lacks buttons for key features, which I'm guessing are buried in menus now.

Yeah I guess Canon's R system is sort of a knee-jerk reaction to Nikon and Sony, whereas Nikon (and Sony) have put some thought into this. Which is a bit odd because Nikon had the failed Nikon 1 system (which did sell for a few years) and then the failed and never-released DL line, whereas Canon has the M series which I think many people like, so you'd think if anything, Canon might have a better chance of getting things right out of the gate---but I guess not. Either way, the R line-up does buy CAnon some more time (as does the Z line for NIkon). I'm thinking at least for Nikon, a z8 and z9 are on their way (as an improved replacement for the current bodies) but it may be another 2-3 years before we see/hear about those.

Sony has the excellent and expensive 55/1.8 and cheap and ok 50/1.8. Just choose, both are way smaller as Nikons. And the 35/1.8 is really missing in Sonyland - wondering how long it takes them to bring this lens ... it's time!

Over all the Nikon system is for sure more useful at the moment as Canons system. But the press is all over these fast monster lenses. Canon made clear they take this serious (and abandone DSL-R). Nikons roadmap is not that exciting. Canon just needs one good body ... ok, Nikon still has some time 😁

Yes but you also have to look at more than just the body itself. You have to consider glass as well. Sony is picking up speed with glass, but is still behind Nikon and Canon in terms of lens choices for the ML systems (yes, sony does get help from Tamron and Sigma, but as far as OEM glass goes, NIkon and Canon still lead in selection).

What others would you have considered for $1300 that are FF mirrorless? Perhaps a Sony A7 II (new) or a used A7R II. The one other thing Canon has here too is a FF body with "semi-decent" quality, for a nearly unheard of price for a FF ML body. Nikon and Sony's cheapest (current gen) FF ML body is $2000.

The people I see buying the RP are those that have a lot of Canon glass and changing is not feasible for them financially (either because they've invested a lot in glass and maybe are NOT a professional) . OK yeah the RP is not a great camera, but it does give those who are tied to their lenses, an option to try to keep up with the times, although I would take something like a 6D Mark II (or one of the other DSLRs) over the RP.

It's their first attempt and we'll see over the next year if the RP sticks or not. AT least they have the R to fall back on, but even then so, it will be about a year to see if that survives as well.

"IT's NOISY" (only after being pushed 5 or 6 stops at base ISO - High ISO is competitive). "THERE'S no GLASS" (The line was just introduced and with adapter, there is the biggest supply of compatible glass in the world). "THE VIDEO is HORRIBLE" (30 fps would be nice, but 24 works. The crop is a problem for some and a benefit for others). "We don't like anything about it, but overall it is nice little camera". Talk about mixed messages, particularly the first one. For the casual reader who hasn't been in the middle of the 6 stop push discussion, "it's noisy" suggests that the images will be worse than phone images, when in fact most users will rarely, if ever encounter the issue. Lightroom shadow pull doesn't have anywhere near 6 stops of range, so you have to both increase exposure (which says you screwed up) and shadows, or pull both shadows and blacks a long way to get to 6 stops. With this kind of loaded reporting it is no wonder the comment section is so fractious.

"On the other hand – and there's always another hand – the RP's full-frame sensor is going to be just a little noisier than its full-frame peers, particularly if you shoot Raw images and want to post-process. This may limit your ability to shoot in very high-contrast or harsh lighting conditions."

They need to clarify that this refers to low ISO dynamic range, not high ISO noise. The high ISO capability of the 6D II/EOS RP sensor is on par with everything else out there. In trying to simplify, they've oversimplified to the point of being inaccurate.

Well, it looks pretty, unlike Nikon's mirrorless, and for some reason I get the sense that to many that is a crucial benefit.

Anyways, I've had IBIS, not had it, had it, not had it and now have it again in an A7rii and I would not get another camera without it. Partially because I like to use old manual glass from time to time. And this RP has one cheerily affordable native lens although "shock and awe" appears to have worked so the perspective appears to be: "Super attractive native lenses or one zillion EF lenses via an adapter", in a positive sense. It's funny because for Sony it was "We don't want these f/2,8 lenses, come ON Sony, give us some fast glass!" and then it was "Hah! The point of mirrorless! Look at this fat hog of a "mirrorless" lens!" and yet people just swoon before the R lineup. I just don't get it, brand recognition can't rule That Supreme??

I think you would have to be seriously committed to Canon to not conclude that a Fuji XT-3 is a better camera in every practical way for the same money. It focuses better, it has way more flexibility, is better made, has all the lenses you could need and kills it overall. Even the IQ is better given the DR advantage inspite of it being APSC. And there is the advantage of better reach if you shoot telephotos.

And that just for stills, before you even think about how the Fuji spanks the Canon for video.

I thought so...and I bought XT3 (having Canon 5D mk iv). Well, I am disappointed, the body itself is OK (IQ is far from the 5D but I knew it, hard to compare FF and APS-C), but the lenses are rubbish. Fujinon 23mm F2 is probably the worst lens I ever had, it is so soft, that I don't how it went through QA. As a Canon camera owner for the last 20+ years I had probably 15+ different lenses, none of them was so bad. I lost interest and confidence in Fuji to be honest.

I decided to sell both 5D and XT3 and buy Canon RP. I don't care about video capabilities and 6Dmk2 sensor is good enough (I had 6D before 5D and it was OK except bad AF). I do care about size and weight so I need something smaller and something I can trust "optically" - Canon lenses are simply superb.

How's that? Is the camera itself backordered? Would anyone interested in the RP not buy it due to the lack of grip? I am not saying the camera should not sell or wishing it wouldn't sell, but I love all the fan-Bs wishful thinking! Maybe they didn't make enough grips because they knew the camera would not sell or maybe the few that bought it want the grip because the camera is hard to hold w/o it.

Their initial roll-out special had free grips with it. The fact that they are out of stock on the grips lends credence to the idea that they sold more than they expected, and ran out of grips to go with the ones they initially sold.

Given how many articles that DPR has written on the RP, my guess is that interest is high in this camera. To me this will be to the R system what the M50 has been to the M system, and even more, since Canon is dedicating far more resources and future development to the R and RF lenses lineup.

Here's the bottom line: if someone uses this camera, they will thoroughly enjoy using it, and get great images, all for a reasonable price. And they will be positioned to start buying to that amazing RF lenses lineup.

Don't get too excited! Maybe is just the opposite, and they need to prop things up because fewer and fewer give a sh*t about cameras in general and Canon in particular.A further ~30% drop in overall camera sales volume from CIPA would attest to that.

The RP (or R line in general) was a response to both Sony and Nikon (mainly NIkon I would say, because they announced theirs shortly after Nikon did but didn't seem to care much until then). They probably realized that while their M line sells well to enthusiasts and hobbyists (or parents with kids for that matter) they needed something to keep them in the FF game to compete with Sony and Nikon. So they took a risk, a big risk (and part of that risk is with the declining sales of digital cameras, which applies to everyone, not just one brand). Maybe this won't pay off for them and they discontinue their R line-up after a year or two. But it seems that Nikon and Canon for now are going to try to make this work.

(This is partially why I'm waiting to invest ing Z glass for my Z6. Partially because I don't really need to--I have the adapter to adapt my F-mount glass--and because I want to see where the system goes in a few years).

Right, they just developed an entire camera in 6 months in someone's basement. did all the design, shipped it world wide for all the certifications, got all the translations done and completed tooling the manufacturing, molding,etc.

What usually takes 2-3 years some brilliant mind in Canon just pulled it off in less than 6 months.

Yeah I agree, (I said this somewhere else on here, but it seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to Nikon's offerings and what Sony already has on the market hence the shortened develop time frame if they really put that little effort and time into it). And it looks like they're trying to focus too much on price and sacrificing features and quality. I guess I wonder if they know that photographers will pay extra for good quality. A better approach (other than rushing the design process) would be to put the features in that people want, and sell it for $2k like Nikon and Sony do.I guess here I'm not even sure if the phrase "you get what you pay for" can be applied here based on what I've seen/read...

what's the point on buying dslr made lenses which at some point will be a nuisance? If you have to buy EF lenses, later on there will be some mirrorless lenses which will suit you better (smaller, better, ...) and you'll have to spend twice.

A great camera for a commercial pro who uses strobes to control DR. Use a $100 Canon adapter to use ALL EF and EF-S lenses (a EF 90mm f/2.8 T&S should work as well on an RP as it does on a 5D3). A Canon 1Dx 2 has a 20 megapixel sensor, so the RP's 26 magapixel is overkill.

A few thoughts. First, if you read the comments in the R forum, you can find many satisfied users.

Second, I have the R and not the RP, but this bashing of the video on specs is absurd for this type of camera. I'm not a big video person myself, and the R has been criticized as well on this front. But I've tried out the R video and for an amateur like me it's great. And that larger sensor affords greater image quality, with better color depth, etc...than my smartphone. So to say a smartphone will capture better video is just to judge on a few specs and ignores reality. Sure my iPhone is great, has some neat tricks the R series doesn't at this point, but I can definitely tell a difference in IQ between a video from the R and my iPhone. I've even enjoyed the crop factor videoing animals at a distance.

The R series is a case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts, and this camera is going to serve a lot of people very well

Third, most analysis tends to avoid one obvious use case, and that is the one of someone who already has a Canon DSLR (or more than one), some EF glass, and wants to add a mirrorless to their kit.

I've said it many times before, but most reviews of any camera tend to work on the implied assumption that every customer is open to buying into any system on the market, as if starting from scratch. But in today's camera market, most camera purchasers are already invested in a system and don't particularly care to switch. Moreover, many camera enthusiasts own more than one camera, and thus factor their existing system's capabilities into any analysis of a potential new camera.

Perhaps the most important question for Canon now is will enough existing Canon owners buy the RP and thus into the R/RF system. The universe of existing Canon owners is far larger than the universe of new entrants into buying dedicated camera systems.

Furthermore, the RP is focus a bit more about price point (I mean $1300 is a low price for a FF ML body compared to what the others currently have as current gen models. Nikon's Z6 and Sony's A7 III are the next best things but they're both $700 more.) Obviously, with that, they had to sacrifice some performance and features to meet his price point. If you don't like the output from this camera, there are other options---they'll just cost you more. I'm sure Many people said similar things when the Sony a5000 came out and compared it to a higher-priced and slightly better a6000 (although the price difference between the two was less).

ttran,the point of canon RP is not to switch over Sony users. That would be a fools errand. The point of the RP is to monetize on the few leftover customers that walk into a store on the weekend and buy a camera from the display. That may have worked if it wasn't for the bazooka of an adapted lens it comes with.

@Thoughts: Someone who pays 1400$ on a body isn't an starter, so they will look after image quality as well as other things like upgradability of the system and so. Right now, on eos R you can only upgrade from EOS RP to R. That's it.

And if I were a hobbyst or a starting pro, I wouldn't start with a crippled body and dslr lenses

The free version of Capture One for Sony and Fuji does not allow local editing. It allows only editing that is being applied in the whole image. You can get this feature with many free photo editors like Photos on mac.

ZeBebito, not with similar performance though. Some lenses work well with Sigma, some with the ever-so expensive Metabones etc.. Cheaper adapters are more problemmatic.With the free Canon adapter, all Canon EF lenses (all of them) will work without any performance hit.That's why I gave up using my Canon lenses on Sony cameras. Some would be OK, some would work great, some would not AF most of the time or without any reason etc.. And AF-C with Canon lenses isn't as good as native Sony lenses, as expected.

Yeesh, DPR. Why not just condense your review to: "If you are a DPR camera geek, this is probably not the body for you. But for everyone else, it's a heck of a value, it's easy to carry and handle, and it's very enjoyable to use" Oh, and it also has beautiful output....

That should cover it and save you some bandwidth.

PS: I own one. I like it.PPS: I had an A7 system for 2 years. You could not PAY me to go back to it.

Sure - it is not perfect, but it will do nicely while waiting for a reasonably priced one with all features. Might be a long wait, but so what - RP should do nicely meanwhile.

I'll use it mainly for Z-stacking. For that the only downside seems to be battery life. That is easily fixed by AC adapter in studio use. I've always felt that all the mirror flapping was quite pointless. It'll do nicely with 100 mm L macro and MP-E65. It won't be as nice for microscope objectives due to large image circle, but maybe one day Canon will relies EOS M, which has all the necessary features.

Second use is having fun with FD glass. IBIS would have been nice, but I can wait... For obvious reason 6D Mk II wasn't an option for that.

The third use may well be as platform for the coming 70-200mm f/2.8. Should do nicely in that as well while waiting for the replacement. :)

In today's market all cameras from all brands go on sale at some point. I'm sure all companies have a pricing model that they begin with, where they assume different price points over the life cycle of the product.

It's an expertly crafted strategy, just like with the car industry, although that of course is on a whole other scale.

The RF definitely looks like an extremely competitive Full Frame for those who want to upgrade from APSC.However it lacks in DR due to its sensorAnd the RF 24-105 lens costs close to $1K, so then if someone can afford $2200 for lens + body, they might as well spend another $1K and get the EOS R with 24-105.

Canon needs to upgrade the sensor and come up with a 24-70 lens kit combo for around $1500 to beat the competition!

Yeah, no. Young people want decent video in a freaking camera that costs $1,300. If it can't do it, then don't release it - or be ready to get a metric ton of crap from people (rightfully) expecting more.

I have Fuji X-T100. It doesn't outperform RP. Maybe only DR at ISO200, if the Fuji can AF at all (AF is so bad). Is this enough to crush your "all crop cameras outperform RP" theory?And what do you mean by "outperform" anyway? In which area? How? For example no crop camera in the market beats RP's high ISO performance. None. Zero. Or no non-Canon APSC camera has an equivalent LCD system (best articulating touch screen implementation). Or no crop sensor camera has as many AF points as RP, and no crop sensor camera can AF in almost complete darkness where RP can. Does it mean RP outperforms all?Just trying to clarify things in my head...

I wouldn't call the xt100 current. It also costs less than half as much. Regardless, yes, current crop cameras focus better, have higher framerates, better video, better DR, they can actually more or less match the high iso perfromance as well. It's just not good value.

@ozturert, You'll never get a clarification. The comment section under any Canon article is full of Canon-haters and Sony-promoters. They are just going to take a dump on anything Canon no matter what.

Yes, I get it, you're not happy with your recycled components fuji camera. It's still not a current, up to date model, and in a completely different price bracket. Compare it with something more appropriate, like the xt30, xt3 (or even xt2), a6400, etc. They outperform it in all those metrics I mentioned.

Half the price would be hot for such an entry level camera with underperforming sensor, including a native kit lens for less than $1000. This might enable Canon to drive people away from cropped tech and buy into the new R system.

I think Canon must come with a reasonably priced kit lens very soon but as it is RP is an excellent value (including adapter). Just buy a used 24-105mm STM or first version L lens and then sell it when RF version is released.

Rueben... you might not see the value, but they've already made the cheapest (at launch) FF camera ever at $1299. No company in their right mind would say ... "the cheapest FF camera ever at launch has been $2000, let's release one at $650...with a lens!" That's simply unrealistic.

My point is that in most respects, the A7II is still a much better camera, irregardless of the price. That and Sony still promotes them as new, and they are cheaper than the RP. Also, there is a large, quality lens selection.

Years ago, I would have easily purchased this body as I was quite fond of Canon. I still think this is a nice body overall, but I switched from Canon FF to Fuji last year and it has been an upgrade in just about every way (better image quality, better lenses). I do miss Canon’s better menu system and touch screen implementation however.

"... and it has been an upgrade in just about every way (better image quality, better lenses)"I doubt both. I don't know from which body you switched but 5D IV sensor is better than the XH1 and XT3's. Maybe similar DR at ISO100 but Canon is absolutely better in all other aspects (DR at high ISOs, details and colour at high ISOs). I also realized for the same RGB values I had to use longer shutter time in my XT3 vs. 5D IV and this difference can be as big as 1.5 stops at high ISO values.And lenses? Yes Fuji has very good lenses but Canon L lenses are in no way inferior. You just need to choosenthe right one (not old boys like 17-40 or first 24-105 L).Actually the biggest reason to get rid of my Fuji set was inconsistent AF with 56mm f1.2 and 16-50mm kit lens. Just too many false positives with especially XT3+56mm. That lens was perfect for portraits, I just loved it. But then I also love EF 50mm f1.2L :) Maybe less sharp but has magical rendering and bokeh.

I tend to agree. I have Sony/ Nikon/ Fuji. I did shoot Canon 5DIV but the Fuji Xt3 has taken over - more fun, better IQ, more portable, nicer images. I may swing to a R later if I fancy shooting L primes, but the RP is poor value for money compared to an X-T3 IMO.

No I really find the IQ of my Fuji better than the 5D Mark IV.. Check the cameralabs review of the 5DMarkIV. The Fuji XT2 actually matches the 5D for resolution, has better per pixel detail and is as good if not slightly better at high ISO. There are plenty of YouTube pros showing the same results. While the 5D Mark IV is one of Canon’s best attempts at a FF senior, it’s still years behind the technology curve. Maybe it’s different for you, and it’s not a knock against Canon as I loved and used the brand for almost 10 years. Also I just prefer Fuji’s lenses. Better bokeh, better sharpness wide open, better contrast. While I absolutely loved my Canon 35 1.2L and 135L, I find the Fuji equivalent better.

Actually it is quite good at high ISOs and you'll not see much noise if you don't push shadows by more than 3 stops.Video is quite good for the target buyers (people who don't care about Hollywood-level 4K video).For the price (new), it is almost too good as a FF body.All Canon needs to do is to release an RF version of the good EF 24-105mm STM lens. For about 1700/1800-USD that combo would be a killer.

I wouldn't touch the A7II with a 10-foot pole. I had the misfortune of owning one. It couldn't focus in situations that were easy for my 6D. Startup time was terrible. High ISO was not very good. The A7II is a miss-the-moment camera.

ZeBebito You must be joking. I owned an A7 and I own the RP. I ended up getting rid of my A7 system after 2 years because of the incredibly bad color rendition (not correctable even with custom RAW profiles). The RP is just light years better in IQ..oh, unless you want to shoot black cats in coal mines and recover 5 stops at ISO 200. Yeah, I will give that to the Sony. (Inserts eye roll emoji here).

Oz,I have no experience with the a7II but I am positive it outperforms the RP in more than 2 areas! Having said that I am not a fan of comparing a brand new camera to a 4yo one. It just doesn't make sense. The fact that we are even considering that is ridiculous in it of itself. This is 2019 consumer electronics!

ZeBebito - Yes there is a shortage at the moment of affordable native lenses for the RF mount, a problem that Canon needs to address urgently.

However there are 2 affordable RF lenses that between them should easily cover the needs of the target buyers, namely the 35mm F1.8 RF macro, and the 24-240mm F4-6.3 RF zoom.

These need to be supplemented rapidly with a 24-70mm F4, a 70-200mm F4. Photographers with more specialist requirements will need to wait for a while, or use adapted EF lenses (which maintain 100% compatibility with all functions and provide AF that is fast enough for almost anyone).

What if I already have Canon glass? That will be better on RP than on A7ii. And with A7ii I have to buy expensive adapter to use Canon glass, and no Sony person ever mentions cost of a good adapter.

But the A7ii and A7 were dogs. So much so that Sony made dramatic improvements with the A7iii, and that's one reason why A7iii has been a bigger hit.

Canon RP will deliver better looking images and a better user experience, with a better native lens ecosystem, since Canon EF glass with the supplied free Canon adapter is for all intents and purposes native to the R system. Again, that's something that Sony fans never like to admit.

Also we get used to one particular type of rendition, and usually feel uncomfortable with the rendition from an "alien" brand.

One of the nice things about Canon cameras is that the colours are consistent from one current model to another, and don't change when newer models are released.

I'm glad to hear that colours from the a7Riii are much improved over past models. My only real criticism of the a7Riii is that I don't like the ergonomics, but I also don't like the ergonomics of the EOS-R.

zxaar - Yes, Canon glass can be used on Sony cameras, but I'd regard it only as an interim measure, because even with the best available Metabones adaptor, C-AF is slower and less reliable than with native Sony lenses (or with Canon lenses on Canon cameras).

That's probably more than good enough for landscape, portrait and other relatively static subjects, but not good enough when photographing sports or fast moving animals, birds in flight, macro of living creatures, etc.

@captura, You don't do indoor event photography, do you? If you did, the A7I (and A7II) would be dumped quickly. Only the A7III rises up to basic DSLR standards, and only just barely as startup time is still slow. Even the A7III has ridiculously slow dial responsiveness. You dial and ... wait ... for the aperture setting to change.

Entoman, it’s kind of off topic, but Metabones is really no longer the best adapter. The Mc-11 is the best and a number of people are using it with much success for action sports on an A9. Users are claiming near native performance with the latest firmware.

@MikeRan,I beg to differ. I use a Metabones IV with my A7 and there is no hesitation and native-like speed with SAF, on all of the EF lenses which I own. Including the 85/1.8 USM which is very difficult with any other adapter.And yes, this is off-topic.

I am not a fan of brand loyalty, I'd switch back to Canon if there were a compelling reason. Fuji temps me to switch presently. Who cares if in 2019, if the older camera outperforms the new camera - that happens all the time in every brand. It would be interesting to see a shootout between the a7II and the RP using adapted Canon glass. Personally Id like to have a hybrid of all the brands, Canon's excellent and cheap glass, fuji's UI, body and processing, Sony's sensor and technology.

For me, object recognition would be the key reason to switch systems; it has the potential to revolutionize photography. The DR advantage is less of a concern for me personally. I've shot extensively with the 450D, 7D, 7D II, 5D III, and 5D IV (plus numerous other cameras I've rented on and off). Other than the obvious banding noise in the 7D which rendered it unusable at ISO 800 and up, I have really not gone back and wished I had taken a shot with a different camera. Object recognition and fast image processing would be a very meaningful advantage, though.

Arun - Me too, object recognition is very tempting, although I do sometimes wonder if I really need it. It's very easy to convince yourself that you need something that you've managed successfully without for years.

I think we all need to think seriously, about whether this or that feature is really going to be beneficial to us, for our own genres of photography.

Live histogram is an example. Lots of people swear that it's essential or at least highly desirable, but I know that I can judge exposure compensation well enough without it - that's something you quickly learn to do if you spent any amount of time using exposure-intolerant slide film!

Entoman. I get it. But Sony extending EyeAF as they have really shows the power... select a subject and the camera will prioritize the eye, face, and body of that person in that order. It works so well... (A9 and a6400)

Mike - I don't photograph people, only animals, birds, insects, flowers and landscapes. I'm convinced that animal eye-AF and bird-in-flight tracking will assist in certain situations. But I have doubts whether at the moment the system is advanced enough to be of real practical benefit, although it will certainly get better with new firmware and new camera iterations.

It's a cost thing (I can afford to switch systems but I need to mentally justify the expense). It's also an adaptability thing - I've got years of "muscle-memory" with Canon DSLRs, and I'm not very good when it comes to adapting quickly to new camera layouts or operational methods.

So for me, running a Sony system alongside my Canon system, or switching completely to Sony (or any other brand) is something that takes a lot of convincing. It may be "better", but isn't necessarily what would be best for my photography.

A9 users get to try Animal EyeAF in June... looking forward to trying it out. A9 guys that switched from SLRs and shoot birds regularly say the AF combined with blackout free shooting say BIF with the A9 is cheating... I’d have to say I agree. I got great shots while on vacation in my first attempt after never having tried to capture birds in flight before..

I don't do much BIF, but I certainly do a lot of performance and some sports shooting. To be able to follow a dancer or player reliably and effortlessly, or a particular one among a group, would be a very meaningful difference to me. And to a professional, the difference between getting a shot or not. While I might be passionate in defending Canon cameras against foolish critiques, I have no issue switching if it makes a meaningful difference to me.

Yeah. My own lousy panning was partially covered by the 94% AF coverage. I could have the bird half out of the frame, and the camera was still tracking and focusing... so when I got the bird back in the center of the frame, it was still in focus... anyway we’re way off topic now. I’ll let this go. We can continue in PM if you like...

@photomedium: I am we'll aware of the strengths and deficiencies of my cameras. I own a 5D Mark IV and a 7D II. I don't consider that the difference in dynamic range is a significant differentiator, others may differ. The 5D Mark IV has very good DR, but I really haven't gone back to my 5D III files and said, boy, this image would have been better with the IV.

Intelligent AF that works clearly has the potential to be a game changer. I do enough action and performance photography to see that. The Canon system has worked for me so far. If Sony can offer something that truly matters to ME, I won't let brand loyalty stand in the way of a sound decision. All this said, I have no patience for the many people in this forum who denigrate Canon sensors simply for the sake of trolling or to feel better about their own choices and how it makes them smarter than everyone that chose differently.

Ok, I get it. It's all about you. That's a super original stand. lolUnfortunately, Canon is superbusy managing their No1-ness, doesn't bring it anymore and has no desire to change. Sensor performance is just a symptom of the disease.

@photomedium: Well, duh, yes, of course it is all about me. It is my money. I don't believe in spending it merely to send some kind of message! And yes, Canon is managing their No1-ness. Any sensible company manages their market position within their budgetary and strategic constraints. Sony too. Sony i pushing all this tech because they are #2 and want to catch up. The moment they don't need to, they wont!

There are 4 native lenses now and none is 3 times. In fact 2 lenses are less expensive than RP. So half of the native lenses are cheaper.Check your "almost all" statement.On the other hand Canon must come RF version of the EF 24-105mm STM very soon.

Ze, That's right! If the RP it was a powerful killer deal with some special feature to make it stand out one would be inclined to spring for the $$$ lenses. Here the only thing that stands out is what they deleted.

It still makes sense of you have several Canon EF lenses already. You buy RP, use your existing lenses until replacing them with RP versions. Yes the package is about 2cm thicker (adapter) but you invest only 1299 initially instead of 2000+. Initial investment is quite tiny compared to other new FF cameras (not the old ones, for sure).No new FF camera comes even close to RP's price. This is a huge advantage which you may not understand if you are a doctor or a lawyer in US.

If you need adapters to use your EF lenses, then there is absolutely ZERO benefit using a RiP camera over any Sony A7. At least with the Sony you will get IBIS. I rather stick with a native 6D or 6Dii and save $1300.

@John Gellings,"a reasonably priced and small 50mm F1.8 or F2 for this camera"?If you mean the RP, doesn't it come with a free EF to R adapter? The EF 50/1.8 is a wonderful inexpensive lens which I use on both my SL2 and my Sony A7.If you meant the Sony, they also have an inexpensive FE 50/1.8 which I also own, and it is affordable and performs well.

I like how different perspectives collide. Some people from the "1st world" claims that it's an entry level camera for JPEG only, meanwhile where I live people use T2is and 60Ds for shooting weddings and other professional stuff - and most of the time they make great pictures with them. I don't want to state as an objective fact (at all) that it is the way to go and all users should use 8 year old APS-C cameras, I merely want to raise some attention for this fact and to say that a camera like the RP is much more capable than just beginner JPEGs. I for one, would be very happy with an RP and I guess I could make stunning outdoor portraits with it.

I pointed out in a different comment; I recently purchased a used 7D II and find myself using it more than I thought I would. My friends take stunning photos with the original 6D - one of which will actually be featured in a magazine. The ability to lift 6 stops of shadows at ISO100, which really is the one area in still photography where Canon lags, is far less important than we are led to believe.

Photography was done successfully for ~170 years without massive underexposure. Now massive underexposure is the defining standard by which all cameras are judged. We've reached a strange point indeed.

@Yake: I think DPR is the only site that places such a great level of onus on it. I think that's because Rishi and others were the first to incorporate this into their reviews - I'm sure it made them feel really smart. But they didn't stop to think how much this actually mattered in real world photography. While it does matter a bit, the actual impact in most real world cases is minimal. This is changing though. In a recent comment, Richard Butler said " DR is only one metric in image quality ". So even DPR is gradually starting to see sense.

@Stanchung: I regularly take landscape photographs. I have woken up at ungodly hours in far flung locations to make sure I am at the right spot at the right light; often done it twice on successive days to get the perfect shot. I bracket my exposures and generate the final image in post. If you choose to rely solely on the dynamic range of any sensor to get your shots, you're living dangerously.

It was taken with a much maligned 7D Mark II - a camera that I find records extraordinarily low levels of light very cleanly. But I am sure you can find someone who has taken a shot similar to this one by not bracketing. The point is that scenes that do not fit within the DR of a camera like the RP and do fit within the range of an Exmor sensor generally are not that many. And regardless of the camera you have, it is always safer to bracket than not.

In recent years most cameras with sensor size of 4/3 and up are more than capable for most kinds of shooting. That said, it's more and more difficult to make the customer replace his great camera to outstanding one.

The designers are trying not to make a camera capable of delivering great quality (it's already accomplished), but make a camera which helps making great pictures. And I suppose the latest Sony models are ahead of Canon and Nikon because of its AF.

@voronspb: The AF part is why Canon and Nikon know the future is mirrorless. Phase detect AF sensors have low resolution and also have less light incident on them than the main sensor in mirrorless. The ability to read and process information off of the high resolution primary sensor is something that long term, DSLRs simply will not be able to match. And as processing and read speeds improve, the gap will get larger. Ease of use rather than potential IQ is going to be the big difference between cameras. And yes, you are correct, Sony is ahead of Canon and Nikon here.

@Arun, that looks unreal and spectacular and agree that needs bracketing. If not the skies would just be black.That's also extreme and a big event that's predictable where you can use a tripod to get such a shot.

For fast paced event photography, don't have the luxury of that. Especially with difficult lighting. Weddings in dark halls and no flash photography or spotlight on the couple where you still want to see faces of the guests cheering. Concerts, lead singer in spotlight but you still want to see the drummer in the bg. Evening out the exposure in some crazy rave.

Very nice to have 1-2 stops buffer in the shadow. Because i have enjoyed it for 5 years now I would be very stressed if it was taken away for whatever reason.

We live in a world where images are consumed on the internet, on small screens, thus all image quality attributes are thrown out the window, and the only thing that remains, that makes an image, is the optical LOOK. Meaning the FOV and DOF and optical charachter like flare and contrast,

The optical image aesthetic is the only thing that remains intact even when viewed on a 2004 320x124 screen. Hence, I strongly believe it's the lenses that make up the most portion in modern times,

In a world where you print, where you crop heavily, where you sell large full resolution photographs, if that's YOUR world, then the image sensor plays heavily in the equation, with resolution, DR and. noise performance.

I think one would be hard pressed to know, while the bokeh is different at high shutter speeds with EFCS which bokeh belongs to EFCS and which belongs to full mechanical (if this camera had such an option).

Perhaps someone could do a blind test with ND filters and exposures at 1/100 and 1/4000. Can anyone identify the “real” bokeh? I doubt it.

Jim - the 18-135mm STM is an APS-only lens, with a smaller image circle. Hence it could be made quite compact. Lenses for FF cameras such as the RP need to have a larger image circle to cover the larger sensor. Consequently the whole lens becomes much larger and heavier.

18-135mm on APS provides roughly the same angles of view as 28-200mm on FF.

The RF 24-240mm is a great companion to the RP. It provides much more versatility, yet is only about the same weight and size as the 18-135mm.

@ Battersea. That is exactly the point of the 24-240. That is a 15-150 APS-C equivalent, and it isn't much bigger than the 18-135. If you really want small, get an eos-M camera with the 18-150. It is sharper than the 18-135 and is just plain tiny.

Not strange at all. What would be strange is if they had a high end body and no high end lenses.

So Canon comes out with a bunch of high-end lenses, leading up to the introduction of the high-end body in early 2020. The R and RP signal to the market that they are not the "pro body" by omitting features like a dual card slot.

So for now, the lenses get the hype and review; some early adopters either buy high-end lenses looking to upgrade next year or use adapted lenses, and by the time the high-end body gets introduced, Canon will have a complete system.

If they had introduced the high-end body first, pros would be complaining all over the place about the lack of native lenses and how using a lens on an adapter is stupid and provides no reason to switch.

I wonder if Canon will follow the Sony program for their APSC mirrorless cameras? Good quality bodies, but insufficient and lesser quality lenses. Sony's purpose is to stream buyers to eventually buying into their full frame cameras., like the RP and R.

I think for the next year or two Canon is going to invest as close to zero as possible in the M series. They may come out with a new body or two -- there have been rumors of an M5 II -- but all the lens-designing resources are dedicated to ramping up the R.

@symp71. The M line keeps getting bashed here in DPR comments, but the lenses are designed to keep the system small and light and they are ALL very sharp an overall have good IQ. The M5 focuses very fast and consistently takes very good images. At this point, Canon doesn't need to do much with the M series other than adding 4k to the M5. That probably won't happen until they have a sensor that reads out faster than the one in the M50 so they can at least do 30 fps. In the meantime, the M5 is a very fine camera if you are in need of portability.

If units sold mean anything, then smartphones are "good enough for 99.8% of all amateurs".... meaning that all real cameras combine for the other 00.2%. And a portion of that tiny percentage is purchased by professionals.

And that is precisely the problem the industry is having today. Virtually no one needs a real camera today. Well, perhaps 00.2% do, so the only customers they have left are professionals and serious hobbyists. And there aren't enough of us to sustain so many manufacturers.

See Slide #9? A very reliable insider source from Japan voluntered a rumour a camera manufacturer is collaborating with a Korean cellphone maker exploring an idea to replace articulated LCD with a removable cellphone + integrated adaptor.

When he mentioned the "adaptor" flag went up? Could it be one of those who two who are struggling with FF Mirrorless sales?

Ebrahim - At least 6 suppliers found offering at £1020 or less on a quick search of ebay. Grey imports, legal, no taxes due, free delivery, brand new and usually with a 2 or 3 years parts and labour guarantee...

A FF 35mm sensor shooting 1920x1080 up to 60p with an automagical AF systems that negates the need for a focus puller, in a package with a reversible touch LCD and an EVF, that provides and image with arguable the best SOOC colours and contrast profiles,

all with an extra 3840x2160 mode with a sensor area as big as the renowned XT3, C300, FS7, Reds, Alexas, that takes EF lenses and RF lenses natively,

What the hell? All Sonys since the A6300 have excellent video AF features - it's only Canon fangirls who insist otherwise. The A7M3 is in such a different league regarding video that the RP merits no comparison - it'd be a curb-stomp battle.

You don’t buy a camera. You buy a system based on whether it the company making the system offers the specialty lenses, speedlights, adapters, and all the other equipment that you need to fulfill your artistic or technical purpose. For instance if your passion is shooting through your microscope, this system doesn’t seem to offer a microscope adapter. The fact that this is full frame is the least important aspect of the camera.

However that is not the market the RP is aimed at. Novices generally want a camera that is simple to use, affordable and comes with a versatile kit-zoom that they'll probably never remove from the body.

At the moment novices are increasingly enticed to FF by the hype, but will fail in most cases to take advantage of FF benefits. They have no need for FF and would be just as well off with an APS or even a M43.

Don't get your point. RP sensor isn't inferior to any APSC sensor except from DR at base ISO (which you'll never see if you don't push shadows by 3 or more stops). And at high ISO no APSC sensor is as good as this RP sensor. I have had 6DII, Fuji XH1, XT3, X-T100, Pentax K3II, Canon M5, Sony A6300 etc.. So I have used some of the best APSC sensors and except from base ISO DR, 6D II was better than all.Of course if you judge cameras just based on DxO numbers, then I'll leave this discussion.

The 6D has bettter high ISO perfoemance than APS-C cameras, has a larger sensor area meaning sees a larger image circle of lenses, meaning a different "look" and aesthetic to the image with wider fields of view and shallower depth of field. Colours, resolution, noise, fpn, and all attributes of image quality are up there to Full-frame standards, just falling behind the latest APS-C sensors in one attribute, which is shadow pushability at base ISO. If you don't do that, it has FF image quality, which is up a notch from APS-C, which is up a notch from m43s,

now whether the differences are big enough for you personally, that's only yours to decide.

Me? I think if you don't really really want the stronger capability of separating backgrounds, a modern APS-C camera will be just as good. It's really THE thing the user will see and benefit from most in a camera like the RP designed to be shot in JPEG and shared to social media. And it isn't a small benefit at all

I see the eos R as a mirrorless 5D IV. Unfortunately the RP isn’t a mirrorless 6D Mark II. Not good enough. Giving it the smaller battery found in eos m and rebel cameras shows who it’s designated to. And even if one could live with another battery type and charger, reserving the silent shutter to the automatic mode is very limiting to one of the advantages of having a mirrorless camera. Hope they can change that in a firmware update.

Although the RP has a similar specification to the 6DMkii, I think Canon were using it to create a completely different market niche, i.e. a cheap, small, stylish, lightweight MILC to draw novices into the Canon system.

And I think they've succeeded!

For "serious" photographers, the 6DMkii is a much better camera, but for those who are willing to switch brands, I'd personally recommend a Fujifilm, which will provide all the advantages of mirrorless, and better image quality than either the RP or the 6DMkii.

Swerky - Yes Fujifilm have unique ergonomics that people either love or hate.

I think most Canon users are looking for much the same thing - a camera with the specifications and performance of a Sony a7Riii, in a nicely contoured, ergonomically optimal Canon body with twin SD slots, an AF joystick, good battery life and total AF compatibilty with Canon EF glass via the Canon adaptor.

Once we have that, we can slowly transition to RF glass as our desired lenses beome available.

Arun - It depends on the needs of the photographer. For those who want a lightweight travel camera or a general purpose device for casual use, the RP is ideal (although it needs to coupled with smaller, lighter, RF kit zooms). It's primarily designed as a novice camera. Coupled with the 35mm F1.8 macro it's an excellent little camera.

For those who shoot in quantity and need something with greater battery life, and for those who will want to attach longer and heavier lenses for more reach, the 6DMkii is a better choice. It's designed for more "serious" photographers, IMO.

@entoman actually my ideal camera would be an eos R with improved ergonomics. Dual slot is a better option. I’d like for Canon to release an equivalent to Fuji’s 14mm f2.8, which would be a 21 or 20mm f2.8. Their old one isn’t very good.

@Arun H- the 6D II isn’t a better camera but it also isn’t an upgrade to the mirrorless RP as the R would be likened to the 5D Mark IV. That is a 5D IV owner who wishes to go mirrorless would get the R but a 6D II owner won’t get the RP because of the different battery and the silent shutter being crippled on it. Silent shutter being one of the main reasons a user would want to get a mirrorless body.

Swerky - Yes, Canon made a few mistakes when designing the EOS-R, such as leaving out an AF joystick, fitting only one card slot, removing the mode dial and fitting a wholly inadequate battery.

Unfortunately it looks unlikely that Canon will do much in 2019. The only rumours point to an 80D upgrade later this year, followed by a 60MP but pedestrian mirrorless "5DS" sometime in 2020.

Canon lag behind in technology. That, as a Canon user, is something that I have to accept. We Canon users need a lot of patience, and sadly are usually disappointed when cameras are released that don't keep up with Sony or Nikon in terms of specification, fps, image quality, or value.

Fuji's aren't ultimately better than neither the 6DII or RP, they just have a strong following with strange affection to the brand and think it's the best ever.

For many users, the 6D Mark II provides a completely different league experience as a photography tool, even in IQ, which inlcudes how an image "look" (Aesthetic of a 1.2 lens on a FF sensor) not just shadow noise, and the experience, is a large bright optical viewfinder, a large comfortable body and grip. the best touchscreen on the market, that rotates, and an EF lens mount for accessibility to the world's largest lens line up, and there are MANY lenses that simply have no equivalent if you go Fuji, an 11-24mm FF, a 14mm tilt-shift, a 24mm f/1.4, the 35mm f/1.4 II L, the 300, 400, 500, 600, 800, 1200s, the ultra cheap sharp primes at a quarter of the Fuji ones like the 24, 28, 40 and 50, with stabilized options like the 35 and 85 L, all things if a photographer wants just one, will not find in any Fuji up to the XT3.

Yeah but they said they are *really waiting for* a suitable travel zoom, then ignore one that is announced and coming in 2019. And described as, "the ideal lens for amateurs and advanced amateurs who love to travel.... both compact and lightweight."

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