I remember when I first watched a live DVD of theirs, and I saw that... I was like, what the fuck?! Get a job, Clown!

Yeah, I feel the same. It's like, there's a bunch of drugged out high school losers from Iowa, and they just all made a band. They wanted to include their whole group of friends, though, so had to make up positions for 'em all

All Hope is Gone sold over a million copies alone, though... so maybe they should just keep that shitty job that a monkey could do.