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1/12/2018

Fake news stifling free speech?

In thenewspaper front page news on 11 Jan was this heading, ‘Will fake
news end up stifling free speech?’ What a dumb question to ask? What are
the factors that limit, restrain or control free speech? Fake news?
What has fake news got to do with stifling free speech? At the most fake
news would be misleading, telling untruths and falsehood and lies. As
to stifling free speech, the answer is obvious. I will deal with this
later, no rocket science.

The govt is setting up a high power Select Committee to look into the
issues of fake news in social media. This committee is headed by Charles
Chong, Deputy Speaker of Parliament and 7 PAP MPs and one WP MP. No
fake news in main media? What about half truths or select truth or
alternate news? Would these constitute fake news? Was the statement that
CPF is not the people’s money fake news?

Would the committee also look into the definition of fake news and
include half truth, select truth, alternate news and propaganda as fake
news, to mislead the readers? This is the first and basic step to take
to define what constitutes fake news.

Singapore today has the highest percentage of its citizens with tertiary
education, more than 50%, not like the days under colonial rule when
less than 3% went to university. In many instances, such high percentage
of tertiary graduates would qualify the people as smart people, a smart
nation, not a smart nation of daft and unthinking zombies, waiting for
the govt to spoon feed them with real news and fake news and telling
them what are fake news. Is this not a sad state of affair, when a
highly educated people cannot differentiate between fake and real news?
Has our education system failed the people to reach this pathetic state
of affair?

Ok, the Select Committee is not to deal with the stifling of free
speech. Many wise ones in Parliament have commented that it is falsehood
that is the problem with fake news, spreading falsehood to mislead. But
telling half truth or select truth can also mislead right? MP Sun
Xueling said repeated falsehoods can lead to crying wolf. Would this
exercise of setting up a committee to look at fake news and to justify
stronger legislation be also a kind of crying wolf? Misleading the
readers is not only a result of fake news. There are many kinds of
falsehoods in all the media, even in so called reputable American and
western media, telling untruths, fabricated truths and outright lies.
Social media is not the only source of fake news.

A notable comment from Seah Kian Peng is worth mentioning here. ‘Heavy
handed legislation may backfire on the Govt, acting as the judge, jury
and executioner of what constitutes credible information. We may end up
freezing free speech online.’ NMP Kok Heng Leun also cautioned against
abusing the law against people who were just expressing their opinions.

What would stifle free speech is simply power and the abuse of power,
not fake news. No need to elaborate this simple fact. It is everywhere.
What is dangerous about this issue is that it will end up with more
power than necessary to deal with fake news and ended up with the
stifling of free speech. What is the real intent of this expensive
exercise? To curb fake news, to help to educate the people, or to curb
free speech? The grey area is so grey and fussy, more like fake news,
more like crying wolf.

The whole of this so called a committee to clamp down fake or false or lies/untrue news is an lamb excuse to curb freedom of expressions & free speech. What happen the garmen also spread fake & untrue news? Will it happen? Even God also make mistakes not to say human beans. An over legislation of any form will force a dog to jump over a wall or 狗急跳墙. This Select Committee is like 指鹿为马, just like telling the dafts Sinkies " I say is right is right ", the garmen think its people r stupids & Stupidity is no cure .

The issue of fake news arises because of MSM is not providing REAL news. Their reports are never complete and skew towards one side. If only MSM is professional and give full and true news to readers, there is no room for fake news. Remember the war days, people relied mainly on BBC which was considered as a source of real information.

The PAP is very smart (cunning) to have one Opposition MP to be in the Committee. They knew WP is Second Team PAP and if everyone agreed to the New legislation, they will said we are very fair people. Even have WP, the Opposition in the Committee.

What Can Pritnam Singh do in the majority of their MPs, Ministers and the kaypoh chiak liao bee pai kai NMP,??

Already supported the PAP, CPF is not your monies.

This Singh and that NMP just want to have Prestige.

Next election Singh will be PAP Candidate. Played safe before WP disband or kick out.

They don't even know what fake news is.. u want fake news just go to marketplace..price of veggies up cos of hot/wet/Cold weather.. price of ABC stock went up/down cos of everything but not market manipulation .. ST under reporting all the data manipulation by the gov't n over reporting the absurd $8 heart bypass operation n purchase of apartment on $1000pm salary? I would suggest the biggest culprits of fake news generators is the gov't n msm.. unfortunately for these 2 people.. less and less are believing them.. u want us to believe in u .. u got to show it not legislate it

..r u that dump ass whom don't understand Chinese Proverb? No excuse if u r a Chinese, even a Pakistanis also learn Chinese might try to understand its meanin..That's why Minister need to come out regulations to curb people like anon 9.04am to make this daft understand the meaning.

Fake news should not be curbed, unless the news involves national security such as terrorist attack.This is sufficient laws to cover this area.

Taxi driver earning $7k pm and managers resigned to take up driving taxi was real news turned out to be fake news later. Who was right or wrong? No body was wrong unless they believed what the news said and resigned from jobs.

The elites cannot contain real news, such as poor people needs help, even $20 one time payment, they go for it at cold weather queuing.

This will be fake news when if is not reported in main media, if there is a law to punish fake news, and someone complains to police about its validity.

So fake news law is a way to intimidate news when people see events on streets and write about it. It is a way to curb such street news not politically correct, or against what the elites think it should be.

Let them curb those writers willing to pass the news around. There will be nothing to read about on internet, except shit times some days. This sinkieland will be avoided by business men.

On the other hand, daily the main media on tv in english bombarded viewers about bitcons surging prices. How many voters are being conned into believing bitcoins are real? Kids are asking parents bitcoins and wanting to put their savings on it.

Is reporting bitcoins spreading fake news? Yes it is spreading harmful news that might induce losses. No when reading news, viewers must act according to their rational knowledge.

Daily the main media will spread such similar news by talking to "experts" wearing nicely. Are these people spreading real reliable news? No. The are broadcasting personal opinions only. One cannot fault such broadcast but to bear own consequences if he relies on such "expert" s opinion.

That should be the attitude to deal with news. There should not be laws to curb so called fake news because not all news are real on main media. Net writers will be worst source of news as they are known NOT to be licensed news agency.

It s a good news to see Pap tie ropes around themselves. Some days, this place will have so little to read about, so much so that the locals including foreigners will source news from abroad web sites. Everyone will spread news through coffee shops. The Pap cannot control coffeeshop news anyway.

Look at this para from independent sg:"The first instance was regarding a question on former Keppel CEO Choo Chiau Beng, who was Singapore’s Ambassador to Brazil from 2004 to 2016. The question: Was he removed from the post because he had knowledge of, or was involved, in the bribery? Indranee said she did not have the info.

She was then asked the name of the Keppel Offshore & Marine subsidiary in Singapore cited by US Department of Justice for paying bribes of US$17 million to an entity in Miami, Florida. Indranee again said she did not have the info.

How inexplicable! This is despite the fact that Parliamentary questions are generally filed in advance so answers could be adequately prepared.

With such goings-on, it’s easy to see why the government has repeatedly turned down requests for Parliamentary proceedings to be telecast or streamed live."

Who is spreading fake news? Questions asked in parliament cannot be fake news. Answers cannot be fake news. But was the answers fake untruthful? Readers will find out themselves if inquisitive or can deduct logically what led to the answers.So there is fake answers to true facts. There is fake news about events. Up to readers to decipher.

Tertiary education s value comes from such further steps. Pap cannot curb these steps. They can curb questions in parliament? So WP did a useful job.

Voters must cast votes for opposition to have more questions in parliament, and read the answers about Pap s replies to do their own conclusions.

Do you think Singaporeans have the constitutional right to read "fake news"?

Just as PAP Ministers have the right to read documents that PAP has decided to classify as "state secrets"?

Do you think Singaporeans and the Singapore President should also know how much assets is in our "national reserves"?++++++++++++++

US Army Finds $830 Million In "Missing" Helicopters As First Ever Audit Begins---------------

After several decades of nation-building and trillions of dollars missing or improperly recorded, the long-awaited audit of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) has finally begun.

On Wednesday, the Defense Department Comptroller David Norquist told lawmakers in Washington that the DoD’s first-ever department wide audit will cost about $367 million in 2018 and an additional $551 million to fix the problems.

Do you think we should conduct a National Audit to make sure we have "real" assets instead of "fake" assets?- just like "real" new versus "fake" news

See below Yahoo news article:==============

Former Keppel Club executive admits to $37 million fake membership scam---------------------

A former executive from a country club who duped buyers into paying more than $37 million for fake memberships pleaded guilty to multiple charges of cheating on Monday (4 December).

Setho Oi Lin, also known as Setho Irene, 70, was convicted in the State Courts on 60 out of 3,000 counts of cheating people to buy Keppel Club memberships over 11 years between 2004 and 2014. Her remaining charges will be taken into consideration for sentencing.

10:44amU spoke the truth: reading fake news is sinkies right. If u read china s or pro china web sites, such as china comments or zhongguo pinruien, its commentary twisted Kim Jong Un was thought he was smart to win US, he was stupid to have develop nuclear weapons to stand against the whole world.That was the conclusion. It was made to match China s official stand.

Most official writings in whole china will take this stand on kim Jong un in their writing. That is also what Pap wishes for, such as the think tanks elder care group voiced about China s not following Hague tribunal judgement, and the main media followed exactly in 2016. The consequence was terrible. Crisis started when amoi cars were arrested. Loony was known world wide not invited for 1r1b world forum.

Pap millionaires continue their increased salaries. Voters paid for the bills: businesses suffer, fewer china tourists landed, forest city to siphon cargo and more ports are built around sinkieland to see its own downfall in port importance.

On the other hand, the once tightly media control Russia was more opened to facts and logic. Putin a day ago commented NK won strategically. Putin commented Kim jong un is smart and mature as state man (at 34). Of course, China will not agree with Putin about Kim. But readers of both countries will find Russians education is far better for their citizens and kids.Russians are opened and dare face the facts, good or bad. Sinkies dare not. Facts about China s Hague judgement sabo was twisted as legitimate to feed the local readers. Elite was feeding with more doubts in parliament questions from her answers. Sinkieland is sinking much faster with such attitude to transparency. Elites s attitude is only official news are real, others are fake. But go back to the crisis of sinkieland s official news on Hague tribunal: it was not Hague tribunal when Hague international courts declared that, and Ocean laws court also declared that the judgement was a private tribunal nothing to do with them.Who was spreading fake news?

Alamak.I agree that those giving fake news should stop doing so .But what is more worry is to get the wrong person to head a committee .

My lakopi kaki in his 60s has bladder problem.Suddenly rain and he need to panjio while smoking .Seeing taegoo around he know holding a lighted cigarette into the kopitiam toilet is an offence.Threw the butt into the rubbish chute pool before he enter the toilet in the kopitiam so as not to be book for smoking in kopitiam first then enter to panjio.Once out of toilet door before stepping out he was book for littering .Lao uncle pick up the butt n explain but still got to pay fine .Khongcum uncle went to see his engpee to explain his problem hoping to save 300.After one month no reply n went back again to see the khakia.Adoi,khakia found letter not send but uncle saw the letter .Appeal letter turn out to be few short sentence saying uncle feel it's ok to throw at the chute area.like that see engpee for what.in the end still got to pay.Uncle only want say it's unfair to say he litter in public as he can't control his bladder but cannot bring lighted butt into kopitiam but will pick up after stepping out of toilet after panjio.See engpee is to hope to explain and save 300 as he oso another supporter of the you know who n never throw before.We need a respectable leader to lead a committee n not those who sign letter blindly.This one no fake news.

We are breeding a generation or two of Sinkies that do not have the capability to compete with Vietnam, Myanmar and even Cambodia in years to come, not to mention the mainland Chinese and Taiwanese. These are hungry people and they are hardworking, hardy through years of poverty and strife, that help build stong characters to withstand hardship.

What have we been doing in Sinkieland? In order to remain in power the PAP government resort to too much nannying, which in two generations will make them unable to compete. Right now, have we can see that small businesses run by mainland Chinese putting local small food and retail businesses out of existence. What will happen in the days to come when the Vietnamese and Myanmarese join the fray?

We always hear of how successful our business people have been competing overseas. But how much of this success is due to real entrepreneurship and not through 'kelonging'. I am talking about Keppel using underhand tactics to garner business. How many other Sinkie companies are doing it and have not been caught? No one knows or if it known to exists, some people will still deny that they know. The powers that be who fomulated the laws will tell you that ignorance is no excuse.

It is reasonable to elect and have a Government that supports the people to have a better life, but not to the extent of nannying them in every fanciful way that they asked for, in order to get their vote. It is a sure way to disaster in the long run.

With (repressive) laws & taxes of all names, creeds & what have u been rolled out & strapped on the (increasing frail & fragile) necks of the Qin dynasty peasants, it is clear as daylights the days of the Qin 2nd emperor, his eunuchs & cronies are numbered ...?

In the cold winter months of BC 207, (some where) in the middle part of ancient China called da zhe xiang, the last straw of repression broke the Qin empire's back & open dissent broke out among a group of repressed peasants ...?

The rest is history ...?

The 2nd emperor chief eunuch knew the end was near and the masses were baying for the 2nd emperor's blood ...?

The chief eunuch Zhao Gao, to save himself, pushed all the blame to the Qin Dynasty 2nd Premier Li Si and had him tried (in their kangaroo courts). By then, Li Si already relinquished (his premiership) & no longer the premier?

The chief Eunuch Zhao Gao's kangaroo court sentenced the former Qin 2nd premier Li Si to death (& punishment by execution of the most brutal form - chopped into half {at the waist level}, back then known as "Yao Zhan") ...?

Next, to save his own skin, the chief eunuch knew the Qin masses anger & anguish could only be placated by the severe accountability of the (mis)deeds of the 2nd emperor ...?

So in late BC207, he lured the 2nd emperor to the vacation palace and in the midst of the 2nd emperor (usual) tryst with his women, the eunuch barged in with his fellow eunuchs & henchmen cronies ... he told the 2nd emperor he must die to atone (& appease the subjects) for the chaos & extreme sufferings of the Qin masses ...?

The 2nd emperor tried to resist & escape but was quickly subdued by his ex subordinates & (porlampa) cronies ...?

While held down by the lower ranked eunuchs, the 2nd emperor was knived by a super sharp bao qian or imperior sword (ironically made by the best goldsmith in the Qin empire using the best materials) ...?

"Having this trust enables effective leaders who do not shirk away from making difficult but necessary decisions, such as introducing mandatory National Service ... or requiring land acquisitions so that land can be redeveloped and used more efficiently."- PAP General Chan Chun Sing

Wah piang can write Qing Dynasty History, how can you be stall holder assistant. Lucky CNY next month or else stall holders lose their pants in this rainy season cannot even make enough for the rentals.

Especially the RC leased stall holders on their barren or grasslands which is the citizen's land.

As for Anon 2.40 CCS is just quotating whats his Mentor and Nemis LKY style of tough government.

Do not be afraid to be land robbers to acquire land from you idiots who are in our pockets.

Any news not to their liking is fake news. Any news to their liking is true even if it is false, for example, ''GST is good for poor people''.These leaders have lost their ways. God will remove them from power soon.

@ Virgo49 January 12, 2018 3:59 pm//Hi Anon 3.34I had typed an earlier post but was blanked out by erratic WiFi. ............................Praising him to be a Qin dynasty scholar who can write their history. Hopefully he not replaced by the foreign trashes as brought in by the PAP. Now as stallholders assistant. Also a job but wasted his talents.//

Uncle Virgo,

Yew are sharp?

And could be collect?

On the other hand, just like in ancient times, there could be many talented pple/ scholars who chose to serve the pple than the despotic, plundering, womanising, decadent, wasteful, inept, eyes-pasted stamps, ..... etc Emperors .....?

Imagine the Han Dynasty stalwarts such as Zhang Liang & Xiao He serving chief eunuch Zhao Gao & the plundering 2nd Qin Emperor (though they were contemporaries/ from the same era) ...?

The Chinese have a saying:

"良禽择木而栖，贤臣择主而事"?

If the Han Dynasty stalwarts such as Zhang Liang & Xiao He didn't choose the right master wisely but served under the brutal Qin Dynasty emperors, the Chinese descendants would not be what they are today and in far worst circumstances such as in present day South Asia ...?

Between 2 evils, it is a (far) lesser evil to "waste" a talent than to serve bad emperors and exact/ wrought more sufferings on the masses?

In history, it is not uncommon and littered with parasites who porlampa the reigning emperors to enrich themselves (and multiply the sufferings of the peasants/ masses?)?

3:02pmThe contents like what mentioned in speech related to old fart team s work. It was done on old generations. This man said the same things the young generations do not trust: After NS, good paying jobs go to foreigners and not them, even they graduate from local universities. Force acquisition in the past was done at very low price, due to protest, the prices are now close to market. Was the old ones trusted the old fart team? No: own Pap man sued old fart govt for price dispute, this man s sound like "how" something.

U believe what this young guy said probably u are PR dont know history. He is pm or not is nothing to do with the people living inside sinkieland. Really, no one will be celebrating. What locals want is jobs, to pay bills.

Instead of spending so much time, energy, money and high-power manpower to tackle fake news, which is a selectively perceived problem that is not a problem, the Parliament should pass a law for more transparency and honesty by organizations such as Keppel Holdings and Temasek Holdings to abide by. This will prevent such corruption incident as that of Keppel O & M from happening.

@ Virgo49 January 12, 2018 3:59 pm//Hi Anon 3.34 I layman cannot differentiate Qing and Qin. Just glance at his posting and type Qing. Don't mistaken. I had high regards for this bro who can quote Qin dynasty history and claimed to be stall holder assistant.///

Uncle Virgo,

Nobody can attest that Chinese history is 100% "accurate" but the death (execution) of the Qin Dynasty Premier Li Si is recorded in 《史记》(compiled by Han Dynasty scholar Sima Qian) as quoted below:

Qin Dynasty Premier Li Si chose to serve a tyrant (& despot) and as recorded in《史记》was sentenced to death (in the end) by way of "五刑" (face, ears, limps, hip, head)?

On the other hand, Han Dynasty (which lasted 400 over years from abt BC 202 to abt AD200+) stalwarts Zhang Liang and Xiao He chose to serve the Dynasty founder Emperor Liu Bang (whose Han Dynasty heralded the 1st Golden Age in Chinese history, the other being the Tang Dynasty)?

During the AD200+ years period, at the end of the Han Dynasty era known in history as the period of the 3 Kingdoms, the Chinese saying:

"良禽择木而栖，贤臣择主而事"

is best exemplified by the continuous and countless rebuffs by (Warrior God) Guan Kong of (the devious) Wei Kingdom Premier Cao Cao wooings with unlimited gifts, women, titles, officialdom and riches ... etc

The best and most well-known strategist of that era Zhu Ge Kong Min chose to serve Han Dynasty founding Emperor Liu Bang's descendant King Liu Bei despite knowing (the fate) that his chance of success (& destiny) was preordained (to fail in the end)?

If the best talents opt to serve tyrants & despots, what would happen to the masses in the end ...?

The immense sufferings of the Qin Dynasty subjects served as empirical examples of the "best talents" but serving the "undeserving emperors" (& a horrendous outcome for the masses in the end)?

Anon1.04What's wrong with Taiwanese as APO.They are the best, dedicated n competent and I have absolute confident in them.Should even allow Taiwanese here as security guard ,not limited only to only APF.We need APO who are security conscious and not any Arthur Ah Kow who join just becos they need a job.Taiwanese fit the bill , are serious when come to defence n security.See those ROC military policemen n guard of honour on duty.No smile no standing on one leg like those tingtong jlb.,no pride in serving NS.悲哀。。。It's a privilege to drivr private hiren sinkies are very Heng.In Taiwan no chance to driver PH.We shd instead encourage sinkies to work longer hour ,grab any job that comes along.Welcome Taiwan .

When the brain is infected with an incurable cancerous disease, the whole head becomes cancerous. Therefore, the whole body suffers. The suffering will not cease until the cancerous cells in the brain are totally removed by lazer surgery or destroyed by intense chemotherapy. Looks like it is too late for any cure to be available. The only thing left is to pray for a miracle to happen. Alternatively, be prepared for a Plan B.

"What is a more serious threat? the ability of people to publish false claims (which have existed since humans developed the capacity to speak or write and are subject to correction), or vesting governments around the world to censor entire websites and social media postings on the ground that they have judged them to be “false” or “Fake”?

Since the advent of the internet, the one danger regarded as most menacing was having states and corporations assume control over the political content that one can express."

“Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men, without a consequent loss of liberty?” - Patrick Henry (29 May 1736 – 6 June 1799)

Do you think Patrick Henry's timeless reply is applicable to PAP General Chan Chun Sing's speech about "building trust" ??

Laochek Virgo ah.Really khongcum bo yeo ee.Stpp khooning inside yakak lah.To many ,whether hongkies,chinamen or Taiwanese ,they are seen as Chinese.For a minority here to announce that the country's security can be entrusted to the majority ,this can ,or is able to tell that one is colour blind and therefore should be the most suitable candidate to become a leader and have the support of the majority.Back to condo.Dun be ungrateful and see guard no up like many Peter lim or Rebecca Wong here.Many dun realize they can sleep peacefully because we have these professionals 24 hours around ,foreign or not.Sinkie self claim pmets who lost their jobs should join this profession instead of becoming jlb.When there's a shortage of this guard,there is no choice but employers have to get from oversea.It's those jlb n lazy sinkies that give them chance to be here.

Ahgongkia,Ahgongkia, now live till this age still do not understand the Psyche of our minority.

They are a sensitive lot and shouted discrimination is their norm.

They do not even know that they are taken care of better than the Majority due to our own discretion not to have any excuses of been accused of unfair practises to our majority.

These are their Traditional Heroic Professions of being in uniforms. We just always lan lan let them check and bear with the inconveniences due to our virtue of not looking for troubles until we have no choice.

If the Taiwanese Auxiliary Security Personnel were to be over zealous in their duties not knowing their sensitivities as we know, then things might get out of hand.

Cunning people used other people's knives to kill others. This is the best way to ursurp the the throne if things go wrong.

LaochekTaiwanese were said to be here in the 40s ,but time being forced and recruited by Japanese army to attack us.This time their grandchildren are here voluntarily to protect us .They are responsible n harmless .Taiwanese meimei is the least problematic and proven the best among all my other nationality meimei.Put more Taiwanese meimei here as APO and you can see many , including ah lao like you joining APF as APO as security.But too late you liao.

LaochekTaiwanese those days are forced to go into battle by the anonae.Not like here who only give 2 years NS and help parents train their boys with good accommodation and welfare provided.You another ugly Sinkie .It's their duty to check luggage so dun go if you typical babatai.,coming there to howlian your angmo and cannot accept the importance of security like many sinkies.Taiwanese mean business when come to security.You want to land safely or want your plane to disappear halfway?Many here only wayang wayang but I would prefer strict security as I travel often to hug my you know who.Once a Malaysian woman apnn here even grab my lampar when she felt mine unusual or special.It's fine with me and I dun mind her to press press.It's for my own good.Unfortunately another time saw a group of 50 apo inside a holding room like jlb.Knowing it's not an offence to take photo cos no sign to say so,I tried to see n test whether our apo got brain or not.I click 3 times,expecting someone to approach me.True ,one approached me and I dun argue but ask his opinion.He want me to delete and I only delete one to please him.He left thinking he won liao.But....I still got 2 extra photo taken.See?it's attitude n brain that one need and Taiwanese are the best for security.

The core of POPPIES real operation motto since the weeding of 1st generation leaders: "Leadership by hypocrisy and the making of hypocrites leaders under the mask of public service."For the love of greed & SELF.

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