The claim is that Dave Wheeler (father of deceased child at Sandy Hook) was caught on video in SWAT uniform and walking around with guns on the day of the shooting. The person in question was captured on multiple occasions walking beside two SWAT members and he was carrying weapons too.

I'm leaving your video up even though its against posting guidelines as you didnt provide timestamps. What i find so interesting about all these "David Wheeler" vids is that they leave out the part showing him getting dressed.

But unless more shots of him at the firehouse are uncovered, OR a much cleareer shot of the FBI guy without his chin strap (Wheeler has a deep cleft chin)- i think the hoaxers will just keep beating this drum.

*the photo at the firehouse of the real D.Wheeler, btw in case anyone is wondering, is in the driveway of the school entrance next to the firehouse. Mr. Wheeler is facing the school and Sunnyside Drive is behind them.

A closer examination of higher resolution photos shows they are different people
There's a variety of differences around the mouth, but also the ears are different size and shape - the above three images are scaled for eye spacing, and the ear on SWAT guy does not match Wheeler's.

The Dave Wheeler shot is from ABC live, its a 4 hour video so there may be clearer footage somewhere. But there are hundreds and hundreds of hours of footage online. I personally am not that motivated to look further as most hoaxers will never be convinced, and as far as i'm concerned his Jan 14th pics prove it. (there are videos of hair growth from bald on youtube you can check...his hair is too long).

The Dave Wheeler shot is from ABC live, its a 4 hour video so there may be clearer footage somewhere. But there are hundreds and hundreds of hours of footage online. I personally am not that motivated to look further as most hoaxers will never be convinced, and as far as i'm concerned his Jan 14th pics prove it. (there are videos of hair growth from bald on youtube you can check...his hair is too long).

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It certainly appears to be the same person based on clothing and bodyfat level. If only the guy didn't have sunglasses on this would be very easy to debunk.

You want me to demonstrate that different facial expressions change your skin lines? I understand proving things is important but this is quite obvious. Anyone can put their hand on their face and pull different expressions to feel the changes.

I just placed my hand over my mouth & nostril area, squinted (looking into the distance) and then smiled. It was very clear my facial structure rearranged.

You want me to demonstrate that different facial expressions change your skin lines? I understand proving things is important but this is quite obvious. Anyone can put their hand on their face and pull different expressions to feel the changes.

I just placed my hand over my mouth & nostril area, squinted (looking into the distance) and then smiled. It was very clear my facial structure rearranged.

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Post photos of yourself that demonstrate the changes you think are happening in these photos. Ideally with a similar helmet.

There's sufficient difference to say they are not the same person, but on a more general note, two people looking somewhat alike is not at all uncommon. When you've got a scene with thousands of people, then you will find some of them that look somewhat alike. If you want to go beyond this and prove they are the same person, then you need a lot more than some low resolution photos showing only generic features.

The whole premise doesnt make an awful lot of sense anyway. There are quite a few swat guys in Conn.
Why would Wheeler pretend to be one (and shave his head) when he has to make appearances as the Dad at the firehouse, the funeral etc.

Bodyfat level? Could you explain that? It sounds objective, but I suspect it may not be.

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he's talking about the FBI guy in the long sleeve brown shirt. but basically as you watch him get dressed you see the crotch flap on his gear, the same gun..his two buddies with him also getting dressed then walking together. Its the same guy. (the bald guy getting dressed and the guy in the helmet)

You want me to demonstrate that different facial expressions change your skin lines? I understand proving things is important but this is quite obvious. Anyone can put their hand on their face and pull different expressions to feel the changes.

I just placed my hand over my mouth & nostril area, squinted (looking into the distance) and then smiled. It was very clear my facial structure rearranged.

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I probably belong in the subset "Anyone."

I just tried to replicate your "Experimenting with Facial Expressions to Try to Move Deep Creases" test,
and could not create anything approximating the difference between the 'SWAT guy' & Dave Wheeler.

Besides, since neither man is touching their face in either picture the "Pull on Your Face" test is moot, to boot.

We never have a great look at 'SWAT guy' without a helmet...
but the best shot we do have suggests that his right ear alone disqualifies him a match with Wheeler.

And of course, this is just (some of the flaws in) the visual comparison...the bigger question is
"What the hell sense does this theory make?" You've got a guy you know is going to be close-up,
on camera, as the parent of a shot child...but you (for absolutely no good reason) put him in front
of lots of cameras, on shooting day, playing a totally unnecessary role as yet another responder .

I realize that this "Barry Soetoro" YouTuber pathologically tries to make everything about Obama
and guns...but he can't even dream up a sensible motive to make this nonsense remotely plausible.

I feel this thread does not belong on Metabunk as the OP doesn't meet the PGs and the subject is obscure at best.

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It's a fairly specific claim of evidence. The claim is that they appear to be the same person in these photos. The claim can also be investigated and debunked.

It's rather marginal, as it's not a very good claim of evidence. But I think it's useful occasionally to address these fringe claims, as there are vulnerable people out there who can fall for nonsense like this.

And of course, this is just (some of the flaws in) the visual comparison...the bigger question is
"What the hell sense does this theory make?" You've got a guy you know is going to be close-up,
on camera, as the parent of a shot child...but you (for absolutely no good reason) put him in front
of lots of cameras, on shooting day, playing a totally unnecessary role as yet another responder .
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again simple "logic" it really is like kryptonite to 99.999% of this distasteful rubbish - surely people have better things to do!!!!!!

I agree the idea behind the claim doesn't make sense on the surface (having a father actor play the SWAT guy), however that's deviating from the claim and is frankly, a fantasy, where you pretend to know all the possible reasons something might happen. You don't know everything and shouldn't rule things until their unarguable.

Stating "the ears don't match" is comparable to "the mole is the same", it's a guess, however the difference being there are multiple similar features. In other words, if I give you 5 things, you can't give me 1 back and expect it to be "case closed". Additionally, saying "other people look similar too" doesn't rule out Wheeler.

Can we put Wheeler somewhere else?
No

Is it proven the bald guy isn't Wheeler?
Partially because of hair growth. However, do we have accurate data on hair growth? I watched a few videos (as advised) and wasn't convinced either way. Even if we have data, would it be applicable to every single person?

Is the guy in question even the bald guy (getting dressed beforehand)?
We don't know yet

Is the guy in question even the bald guy (getting dressed beforehand)?
We don't know yet

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of course its the same guy. can you point out 1 single thing on him or his friends that is different from when they walk around the corner with his helmet on? They are parked in the Senior Center parkinglot, get dressed and walk around the school sign and into the driveway (Dickensen). If you can't tell he is the same guy (bald and helmet)-with all their gadgets and clothes matching- then trying to provide you evidence is kinda futile.

You don't know everything and shouldn't rule things until their unarguable.

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You've got it backwards. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you can't give any evidence other than "they look a bit similar, even though their faces are different, and the SWAT guy is bald", then you've really got nothing, and certainly nothing that needs to be ruled out.

No offense, James, but I think one can make a better argument for the Dan Aykroyd pic, than Wheeler.

You're right, my bit about the utter absurdity of putting this particular guy in front of cameras(on the shooting day) is on the margin...but I think it needs to be in the mix: Why fret and hand-wring
through dozens of posts, since the low quality of the "SWAT guy" images will leave few satisfied...
when there isn't even the flimsiest yarn offered for why one guy might really, secretly, be another.

The CTs and charlatans exploit and manipulate every little crevice they can...this YouTuber only gets away
with it (well, swaying CT believers, anyway) because we don't have great, hi-def shots of an un-helmeted SWAT guy.
If and when those pics surface, it will be easier--and even more irrefutable--to show the differences.
Most will then give up on this flavor-of-the-day, though the ones that really believe The Matrix is real, will hang on.

The photo of Dave Wheeler holding up hand in the first reply, is there a high res of that?

Any proof the guy with the bald head getting dressed is the same guy captured walking?

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At most, a helmet strap would pull back the top of the ear. Their lobes are vastly different and a helmet strap would in no way impact that. David also has a much sharper, much more prominent antihelix.

Here's another picture of the sniper, from the back:

Look at the space on the back of his head, between his strap and his helmet: he's bald. This is consistent with the video of him getting dressed. Everything matches up. This is very clearly not David Wheeler.

Is the guy in question even the bald guy (getting dressed beforehand)?
We don't know yet

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i knew i had seen him before .. this video he walks back to his car at the Senior Center next to the firehouse...up until about 1 min 30.. shows him and the other guy walking back to their cars. this also might be when he puts that beige gun in his car (1:15 looks like both hands are empty)-just since the hoax videos keep asking where his guns disappeared to.

Your rebuttal is also valid against your own claim.
Other people may also look similar, but I mentioned a specific person, Dan Aykroyd as that is who it is (my claim to refute your claim and rule out wheeler) in the swat gear.

Perhaps you're not aware or have forgotten, but Dan is also an original "men in black". Spooky coincidence? I think not!

I think you need to start with "Why is there any reason to think the bald guy *is* Wheeler, aside from a superficial resemblance?"

Because there's no reason to, and in asking to prove it the opposite way just drags pre-existing assumptions and CT theories into it. Obviously, someone was going through the photos and footage looking for 'Crisis Actors' and tried hard to fit a square peg into a round hole to make the evidence fit the theory. If you go in without assuming there are actors in play, no one would ever bother to think these two guys are the same person, so no one would bother to prove they weren't.

And I like the Dan Aykroyd comparison. He *is* an actor, and maybe he just needed work. I hear crisis acting for the NWO is profitable these days. They went with an all-female cast for the new Ghostbusters, so he needed another gig.