Paramount makes the argument that it's not a real language because there are no Klingons, but there's a group associated with The Long Now foundation that collects dead languages. If a language is dead, does that make the owners of the documentation of that language owners of the whole language?

This is the full proof-of-concept video that was made. It's amazingly well done.

Prelude to Axanar

I thought the problem is that the producers are trying to make money from the movie? There have been plenty of Star Trek fan films before and I don't think any of them got in trouble. And know with Star Wars fan films the big rule is you can't make money off of it.

Pentaxian:I thought the problem is that the producers are trying to make money from the movie? There have been plenty of Star Trek fan films before and I don't think any of them got in trouble. And know with Star Wars fan films the big rule is you can't make money off of it.

I think they're just trying to run the Star Trek brand entirely into the ground for a decade.

This is the full proof-of-concept video that was made. It's amazingly well done.

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I thought the problem is that the producers are trying to make money from the movie? There have been plenty of Star Trek fan films before and I don't think any of them got in trouble. And know with Star Wars fan films the big rule is you can't make money off of it.

Well, from what I understand, the producers built a working studio with the kickstarter money, announced that the profits would be used to finance other films, and started paying themselves salaries. Paramount/CBS generally ignored fan productions provided they didn't use established characters and ships. There are alot of models out there, but as long as they don't compete with official licensees, again, largely ignored. The whole Axanar thing may really screw things up for alot of people.

This is the full proof-of-concept video that was made. It's amazingly well done.

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I thought the problem is that the producers are trying to make money from the movie? There have been plenty of Star Trek fan films before and I don't think any of them got in trouble. And know with Star Wars fan films the big rule is you can't make money off of it.

They started a crowdfunder to cover production costs. Seems quality CGI and decent (SAG) actors cost actual money. That sent up the red flags with Paramount. I hope that can work something out that this will see the light of day, because this would do wonders for the Trek franchise.

This is the full proof-of-concept video that was made. It's amazingly well done.

[YouTube video]

I thought the problem is that the producers are trying to make money from the movie? There have been plenty of Star Trek fan films before and I don't think any of them got in trouble. And know with Star Wars fan films the big rule is you can't make money off of it.

Well, from what I understand, the producers built a working studio with the kickstarter money, announced that the profits would be used to finance other films, and started paying themselves salaries. Paramount/CBS generally ignored fan productions provided they didn't use established characters and ships. There are alot of models out there, but as long as they don't compete with official licensees, again, largely ignored. The whole Axanar thing may really screw things up for alot of people.

The premise was to cover production costs.. it was of course, way too wildly successful, which led to the whole alternate Trekverse talk of other films and getting paid. Paramount cannot allow an alternate Trekverse if there is money involved. The difficulty for them is they have been allowing *all* the fan fic up to this point.

sno man:The premise was to cover production costs.. it was of course, way too wildly successful, which led to the whole alternate Trekverse talk of other films and getting paid. Paramount cannot allow an alternate Trekverse if there is money involved. The difficulty for them is they have been allowing *all* the fan fic up to this point.

All Paramount is doing here, though, is alienating Trek fans even more than they did with the NuTrek movies. They should just buy into the Axanar project themselves, release it as a direct-to-video movie, and take their cut.

The Axanar issue has nothing to do with how much the Kickstarter raised, whether they're paying the staff and actors, or the use of canon characters and ships. It's entirely that they sold products with the Star Trek branding on it, which is a clear violation of Paramount's copyright. It's the one thing the Axanar crew did that none of the other fan-Trek projects did and the legitimate reason they got shut down.

I dunno how all that relates to this dumb Klingon language issue, tho.