>>123564691Yeah there is the 2005 one and the 1996 one. I didn't realize the 1996 one was available in 1080p with subs though. Although you could have gotten the script from somewhere and the rip from somewhere else.

>>123565987p. sure it's mostly pd+share for mainstream shit (i never found anything i wanted there) or adc/u2 but i still don't have a u2 because hardly any invites and people who have them hoard them, so i rely on google

I have a hard time enjoying series before ~85. Original Gundam was probably amazing for it's time but it hasn't aged well, but I'm merely saying that because I didn't enjoy it. I dropped Rose of Versailles as well.

Hokuto no Ken was great although repetitive, not much of it was apparently made before 85. Late 80's had shows even an early 90's guy like me could enjoy easily. Like War in the Pocket and Gunbuster. I should probably give Zeta Gundam a second chance one day, dropped it after ~20 episodes because Kamille was annoying.

As boring as it may sound LoGH is still my favorite show. And I'm unsure as to whether I prefer the artstyle of the earlier episodes or the one in the Gaiden(which were partly made as late as the beginning of 2000).

>>123566048>p. sure it's mostly pd+share for mainstream shitI'm under that impression as well. Every once in a while I get lucky and find some cool shit on PD that isn't on any of the English speaking sites or has long since stopped being seeded.

>>123566341best i found after like an hour of searching for gankutsuou bdmv was two .partn.rar files. two total, and each for different discs. so yeah after that i just searched elsewhere and found another rip on baidu.

Normalfags hate black lines on the sides because it doesn't make use of their futuristic HDTV's display capabilities and reminds them of those grandpa tvs.They prefer them on the top and bottom. The thicker they are the more cinematic it is.

>BerserkIt was good, very good, i got some weird Shakespeare vibes from it, it's way better than the movies.>Perfect BluePerfect, i loved every minute of it, a 9/10 and only because the ending was a little too sudden and didn't really end anything.

>>123567800Yeah, I only watched the first episode a few days ago and unlike all previous Macross series, it didn't hook me immediately. It's the longest one too as far as I know, so I don't know how I'm going to get through it quickly.

>>123567819>>123567829The characters are usually fine, but the backgrounds often have randumb smudges thrown in to make it look (more realistic?) but only make the surface look dirty. Everything in old anime simply looks dirty, like someone had a mudball fight recently.

Take >>123564726 for example. That rock wall looks dirty. They added unnecessary details that detract from the scene. Also, so many hard lines on the character's clothing isn't needed, just add shadows without lines or don't do anything at all.

>>123568095I'm not shifting the goalposts. You are demanding a less natural image.The rock formation in >>123564726 shouldn't be distracting because it has barely any color compared to the character in front of it. If there were less detail you wouldn't even know what it was.

>>123568164>You are demanding a less natural image.I am demanding a more natural image. Simply adding more, completely random, smudges does not make a background look more realistic. You should add the maximum amount of detail you are capable of ACCURATELY reproducing, no more. Random smudges are no more than useless noise.

>>123568322>sluggingI don't know why anyone would need to slug their way through doremi it is one of the most pleasantly enjoyable shows there is. If you don't enjoy it just stop whatever you are expecting isn't going to be the pay off you think.

>>123568214I don't know what got changed in the subtitles but I'd just get the Kagura encode and mux in subs. There's no point in releasing one episode at a time for series that are already complete, he should've just uploaded subs on their own if he's limited my his home connection.

>>123568998>he, he argues so solidly!>He must be ignorant!People like you are the scum of Earth. You run away from the slightest bit of conflict and dismiss what other people say without even thinking about the merits of their point. What a useless piece of trash you are.

>>123564571I just finished Rose of Versailles the other day, and I have to say that I wasn't too inpressed with it. Despite whatever influence it may have had on anime/manga storytelling, I just sort of felt it was very underwhelming in a couple of aspects.

>>123569111I'm not going to put effort into educating people who are obviously ignorant and arguing about things they have no understanding of. Ignorant and misinformed people with little understanding of subjects often tend to be the most vocal and confident of their opinions.

>>123569195>>123569211Both of you obviously have nothing constructive to say on the matter. How foolish of me to think anyone intelligent might have been browsing /a/ right now. My attempts to bring the conversation back on topic multiple times have failed. Both of you are idiots.

>>123568864>Actually from 200312 years old is pretty old for media, I would say. Eventually, I think people are going to have to realize that "old anime" isn't a constant, what old is changes with time. Soon enough, it'll unquestionably include 00s anime. I mean, in 2008, Eva would've been considered "old", yeah?

>>123567975Hmm, I don't really get where you're coming from, not with that example. The rock wall is painted in a way to abstractly simulate the rough texture of rock while using shadows to give it depth. It's "dirty" because it's rock. Rock is dirty.

>>123569388>"old anime" isn't a constant, what old is changes with time.There's undoubtedly epochs though. 2000 marks an important change because it was when people started producing digitally (very badly).So these threads are more about cel animation than about just old animation.

>>123569388Old is contextual to the media itself though not to how close it is to current date. Anime has been made for TV for 50ish years I don't think defining everything made past the last X number of years in that context is particularly helpful. People tend to think of the 2000s as the last major change in anime production the switch to digital was occurring around then as cel animation died off.

>>123569667Most anime has non-abstract depictions of people. Stop being obtuse. And it's on thing to maintain a particular style throughout the entire production, it's another to have abstract backgrounds and realistic characters. It's jarring.

>>123565989Oh boy, you haven't the worst of it yetThere is still Shuu and Juuza>>123566059They weren't Dynasty Warriors 4 tier good but still they are better than most Musou games out there, especially Hokuto Musou 2

OK, I really hate the example posted, but as I do not have a lot of old anime, it will have to do. These smudges are meant to simulate what? Shadows? Dirt? I cannot tell. There's not enough detail in them to tell what they are supposed to be. They added detail, but not enough detail. It winds up being either random noise, or worse in other cases, makes the shot look dirty. It looks like some artist with dirty fingers smudged the drawing.

It is disgusting to me that young people just getting into anime seem to reject anime made before 2008 or so offhand on the grounds that it is "old"

I have heard from my friends still attending the community college I graduated from that the anime club screened Wolf's Rain and got a lot of the 18 year old freshman upset because it was "too old" and not from a current or recent season

>>123570341Just because you're an unsophisticated Australopithecus doesn't mean I am. And it's fine if you like the older style. It rarely detracts from the plot anyways. I just find it jarring.>>123570406Those smudges represent nothing. It would be one thing if the entire anime was done as a water color, but to have such a low-level of detail in their background then a higher level of detail for the character is just retarded.

Also this anon here, I was thinking of archiving Lupin the Third and was wondering whether I should get the 46GB on bakabt that has all three seasons and films or whether I should just get the blu ray rips of each one, does it really make that much of a difference for older anime like Lupin?

Very slowly going through Majokko Megu-chan raw. Torrenting it for a full month at 22kB/s was pretty worth it. It's super fun and cute. I am amazed at how well it aged. Almost tempted to learn Japanese for this show.

>>123570755I thought I could handle old kid shows like Astro Boy raw, but holy fuck they speak fast, and they don't use simple vocabulary either. Modern SoLs are way easier to understand than old kid shows.

I just can't watch anime made before 1995, with a very few exceptions. Most of it is very silly and childish. Also I can't stand the old audio and crappy VA. Pretty much everything I enjoy in modern anime is absent in old anime.

>>123570603It's the half-assed approach to detail, like adding color, but not texture. I find texture to be a lot more important in a surface. I'd rather a black-and-white with lots of texture than a bunch of color with no texture, in most cases. Those blobs are without texture.>>123570620They really don't. There is nothing random about shadows falling where they fall. And dirt tends to fall inside of the shadows for a very logical reason. The top of a rock is seldom dirty, or in shadow.

For a better example of old anime done right, see Hokuto no ken. EVERYTHING is dirty there. Dirty is the style choice. The characters are dirty, the objects are dirty, the backgrounds are dirty. It's a grungy, post-apocalyptic world.>>123570843Most people say Neanderthal, but they were thought to possibly be smarter than the humans that they coexisted with.

>>123570900Look at that cobblestone. Why does the pink bleed into the blue? It's like the half-assed the blue. And why is some of the grass darker in color than the other grass? Is it a different type of grass? It doesn't look like a shadow.

>>123570937Look at that sky. Why does the pink bleed into the blue? It's like the half-assed the blue. And why is some of the tree darker in color than the other grass? Is it a different type of tree? It doesn't look like a shadow.

>>1235710231) I could be sand on top of the stones.2) Too much contrast takes away the focus from the actually important things. Watch the lego movie for an excellent example of this. During the first 10 or so minutes, your brain has no idea what to concentrate on and everything just looks like a mess.

>>123570900Too much projecting. Pretty sure my condition is ``not being a snob who watches every shit he can get his hands on''. If anything, I am the person with taste who is very selective about what he watches.

>>123571009Watched all of these, and many more. I think I've seen like 20 or even more shows that aired before 1995.

>>123571082>1) I could be sand on top of the stones.Then where is the texture of the sand?>Watch the lego movie for an excellent example of thisI had no problems at all during the LEGO movie. And if there's too much stuff going on in the background, perhaps they should equally remove texture and smudges. Leave them in balance with one another. >>123571079I am fine with the sky. I've seen clouds actually look like that or nearly so, so there's nothing wrong with it.

>>123571179I want Oishinbo too. Also Tetsuwan Atom, Tetsujin 28-gou, Jungle Taitei, Tadanari Okamoto films (esp. Okon Joururi), and all the films that won the Noburou Oofuji award. Some of them don't even have raws, because they were only released on an overpriced DVD set in 2000.

What is up with this stone? Why doe sit have vertical striping? It's not an inherent quality of the stone, as it carries on from one stone to the next, so it must be something that was applied after the stone was erected. But why the huge variation in color? It makes no sense. Better they just kept it all mostly uniform, or go the extra mile to actually make the stone individually variant. Am I seriously the only one that automatically picks up on this stuff and it just ruins the shot?

>>123571548The detail isn't there for it. That would have to be highly polished stone to have it be that smooth. In which case, I doubt there'd be that type of weathering. Also, the top piece of stone has no such weathering. It's half-assed, at best.

>>123571677Yes but he thinks that you should either be as basic an minimalist as possible flat one colour, or go so ridiculously detailed that you spend your entire budget on a wall and that no inbetween can be reached.

>>123571765>one thing or the otherYou haven't actually read anything I've posted, have you? As long as they add detail uniformly across both texture and shading/color it's fine. It's adding all of one or the other that is jarring.

>>123571424Subs or raw? There are raw encodes that were uploaded somewhat recently. But no one seems to give a shit about subbing them, probably because of their lengths. It is sad because even if one group just did a couple of episodes it would be progress.

Someone uploaded some episodes hardsubbed on NT, but the torrent is dead at 97.something%. Other than that there is only the dub but that's not the full series. And episode 1 was subbed on an American release, but I don't think it is uploaded anywhere.

>>123571916>But really, if you reduce a weathered stone to a view paint strokes, it will look like this.No, it wouldn't. Your mind is clearly not set up to make such judgements. Unfortunately, mine is.>>123571991>Anime is not supposed to be realisticSome anime is, some isn't. If you were watching Wind Rises and suddenly a monster from outer space attacked, you'd probably think it was shit, too.

>>123572250Pretty much all of them that are subbed are worth watching. Heidi, Girl of the Alps, Marco, 3000 Leagues in Search for Mother, Princess Sarah, Romeo's Blue Skies, My Daddy Long Legs, The Adventures of Peter Pan, Pollyanna.

Legend of the Gayass Homos for last pre-2k series, though I recently finished Desert Punk. Outstanding all around with an 11/10 dub.A shame /a/ doesn't like talking about great anime if they can't have waifu wars.

>>123573155It's been on my backlog for a while, and an older labmate from college actually recommended it as well. I know it's supposed to be a fantastic romantic comedy, but I'm afraid that watching a lot of seasonal anime that pull different ideas from the older prototype series will have exposed me to those elements in the wrong way, and may impact my enjoyment of it. Did you have any such problems while watching it?

>>123573331There is one thing that it is blatantly overusing.The trope of misunderstanding.A lot of the plot is driven by it.It didn't hinder my enjoyment of the series though.So, if you can live with this fact, it is an enjoyable series, and I recommend it!

>>123570927See, usually animation backgrounds where painted using brushes, masking tape, air brushes and sponges. Sponges is what Photoshops brush engine emulates in that it copies an image over and over in sequence.

So with a single sponge you can add texture quickly without having to render out the ass.

There is also wet-on-wet watercolor painting where the pigment dries and flows with the water, which can also be used for effects.

So "dirty" is not really the word you're looking for. It's more that it's alive under the restraits of it's medium and under its production requirements

This example is from Cartoon Networks Samurai Jack and drawn in a more Cartoon Modern kind of style, but it should illustrate what I mean.

>>123573460Yeah, I've heard that it's a series based on misunderstandings which kind of scares me. Are they at least well thought out, or it is just like the current day stuff where all you can do is look at them and think "Are you retarded? If you said like 6 words to that person this entire situation would be completely resolved in a way that makes everyone happy."?

>>123574206>or it is just like the current day stuff where all you can do is look at them and think "Are you retarded? If you said like 6 words to that person this entire situation would be completely resolved in a way that makes everyone happy."?

This one, at least for me. And it's such a shame since the characters have many nice moments, but they're ruined by Takahashi making them go full retard to make the manga last longer.

>>123577387>We still get some really fantastic looking movies.Yeah, but most of the ones with a "realistic" aesthetic end up dumping half of their budget into CGI and filters; most of the ones that have excellent animation and art are very stylized.

>>123581093It is mostly to do with that being the last major shift in animation production away from cels and towards digital meaning a dramatic change in the appearance of anime making a clear dividing line between that which was produced in a modern fashion and that which was produced in a old fashioned way.

The world-building is absolutely amazing. That being said there's a lot of just plain retarded stuff. Like using hand-to-hand weapons 1500 years in the future; not just any hand-to-hand weapons either. Every solider is trained in battle-axes. What the fuck?

>>123581596Am I the only one who went out of Logh with kircheis as their favorite character? Especially if you watch the gaiden you just gain so much respect for him, I'd even say hes more capable than reinhard just lacking the charisma.

>>123581521>Wear armor that protects you against physical weapons and get killed by death rays and bullets without getting a chance to do anything>Wear armor that protects you against death rays and bullets and get the chance to fuck people up with an axe

>>123581806It's just kind of contradictory I suppose. Like they have technologically superior weapons like thor's hammer and what not but at the same time resort to using battle-axes like its the middle ages.

>We should build a blaster that can penetrate that armor. Nah fuck it, let them use axes.

>>123564571I finally got around to watching MD Geist like /m/ told me to earlier this week. I can see why it's so polarizing, it's either love it or hate it but one thing that cannot be denied, that soundtrack was fucking awesome.IT'S THE ONLY CRAZY GAME

>>123581938>build a blaster that can penetrate armor designed specifically to resist said blastersYou have any idea how much time and money that would cost, especially in the middle of a war, when you can just hand your dudes a bunch of motherfucking battleaxes and tell them to go crazy for a mere fraction of the price? Really, that's the logical outcome.

>>123582615It just seems pretty obvious to me that if you compare 50 years to say 2 or 3 you are going to get a lot more shows that are better in the 50 years because it is fucking 50 years compared to couple. It is a redundant statement really. Not to mention that people will only ever be watching the good shows from the past that people have bothered to actually subtitle because they were recognized as great classics where as the trash has just been forgotten and left unsubbed. Compare that to now where you have pretty much every single show being released in a season subbed it is a lot more likely you will pick a dud from spring 2015 that going back into the past.

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