Alright, so I'm looking into getting some fat all mount skis with 5 point side cut, that have rocker and camber. I have done some research and found these four skis. I ski Michigan most weekends but get out west for nearly three weeks a year. So I basically want something that can handle pow but still will be able to rip a groomer. I like a poppy playful ski that is softer towards the tail. I am 5'11 150. Please halp.
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i have skied all but the night trains. after skiing the rest i would probably rank them as follows: 1. chetler 2. s7 3.jj. I think the chetler pretty much just feels like a more fun less hooky jj. the chetler seems like a ski that could really be a daily driver. it is very stable everywhere and can rail on groomed as well. didn't get to try them much in pow but the dimensions seem to be great for that. i skied the super 7 (195 version with metal) so it is a little different than the stock s7, but honestly that ski didnt even feel rockered. it felt like it just had grip absolutely everywhere. another ski that can rail on groomed as well. again, didn't get to ski much pow but they seem like they would be great especially with the enourmous tip they have. jj seemed fun, but it was extremely hooky and felt sketch at speed. definitely not a ski i would want as a daily driver and just did not seem nearly as fun as the other two.

overall, i would say the chetler takes it hands down, it just seems like an incredible all around ski and could really be fun any day of the week.

if that deal falls through on the chets, I would look into the bibbys as well. they are hands down my favorite ski. I own the Night trains as well and the bibby is much more versatile (night train is fun but more chargey). along the lines of the JJ but more playful and all around. 123mm underfoot for MI might be much, but good for those weeks you are west they will be good. The 115mm is just a little less but work everywhere great. my everyday ski. I recommend that, but the chets are also nice, just seems a lot for a mid-west ski for 3/4 of the season.

I have some friends with some of those skis, and I have skied on quite a few as well. First off, the friend with JJs absolutely loves his. He swears that they are the best all mountain ski ever; the rip pow, groomers, crud, cliffs, ect. When I tried them, I thought that there were super fun (about 6 inches of fresh). They really want to turn, you just think it and they go. They would probably be your best choice, as the rip everywhere, are a little skinnier so easier to manage on the not pow days, and they are also super light, easy to spin on, and easy to land switch on. The friend with Bent chetlers also loves them, but they are much more of a pow specific ski. According to him, they don't do very well in crud and aren't amazing on cliffs. But that being said, in straight up pow he fucking loves them, and they are also a good ski for booters and such. The same friend demoed ON3P Billy Goats, and he thinks that they are the best ski ever, for everything, but they have a pintail, so they wont ski switch well. You should also check out the Surface One Life, they are a really really good all mountain ski, stiff for cliffs, and the massive but relatively short (they are just an angle, so it can start later on the ski and still be massive) rocker keeps you up very well in both pow or crud, forward or switch. I haven't skied the S7s or the Night trains, but I did ski on the S3s which are like a smaller version of the S7, and thought that they felt sluggish and unresponsive unless you were spinning on them.

I would say go in this order:

1. JJs-super light, versatile, fun, and a sweet ski for everything that you can think of.

2. Surface One Life- same as JJ, but stiffer

3. Bent Chetler- Similar to JJ, but wider and more symmetrical. They are pretty soft all the way through, whereas the JJ is soft in the tip and tail, but pretty stiff underfoot.

4. ON3P BIllygoat- Apparently an amazing ski, but if you plan on skiing switch much, it wouldn't be the best choice. Customer service is super good with ON3P though

5. S7-Similar to JJ, but I have no experience with it.

6. Night Train-No experience

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Billy Goat for sure. Stiffer than the S7 and JJ so it's better in the chopped up pow. None of these skis are going to be great for skiing switch. Check out the ON3P Caylor if that's a major consideration.

I just checked the specs on the Bent Chetler and it's more symmetrical than I thought. Definitely better than the Billy Goat for riding switch. I still think that the Caylor may be better for riding switch in pow since the tail doesn't look quite as tapered. You should also check out the Praxis Mountain Jib.

I'm not sure if they'll be producing a limited quantity for next year or not, but the 4FRNT YLE will probably be the ultimate switch pow tool. I think it's supposed to be nearly symmetrical.

Why would you be spending enough time switch to need a symmetrical powder ski?

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people love on3p on here but honestly i would check out the josh bibby pros no need limiting yourself in the thread. they are a sick ski super playful and pretty fun i loved them when i demod them last winter

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yeah ive skied the old scratch bc's for 5 seasons and they killed it in everything, pow, park, cliffs, straightlines. the s3 is almost the same ski with rocker (and symetrical on hard snow) it seems like the all around best ski

This guy is skiing in Michigan other than a few weeks a year in Vail, switch pow is not a concern for the amount of days and his experience/ability. I'd say 185 JJ or 178/188 S7 are probably the easiest to "get" how to ski with the limited days he will have. Forget about anything "chargey"

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Aggressive skier. Mostly trees, looking for stashes, and some in between cruddy pow, with the occasional deep day. This will be my second ski in my quiver, next to a salomon 2012. Should I get chetlers or billy goats?

If I were you I would go with the JJ. I have owned them for the past two seasons and they are amazing. The flex points are perfect. They are a bit softer and a little bit more slender than the others you are looking at, making them more playful and fun (specially for your weight). They float just as good in the pow as the other skis you are looking at, even though they are not as wide. They are very stable skis and great for hucking off cliffs with. I read one of the earlier posts of a person saying they are not that stable, and I have no idea were they got that from. I have rode the Chetlers and s7 and those are great skis too but I prefer the JJ.

No. I skied the 192 for most of last season. Coming off of a 191 Caylor, the Bentchetler ended up disappointing me in all but the most blower of conditions, and folded in the crud. The tips also had a tendency to flap, and the ski was definitely not as stable at speed.

I will be on the 191 BG this season because it has a superior flex pattern that charges and stomps the shittiest of snow conditions.

I like the BC in the right conditions. But it's really only designed with perfect conditions in mind.

You really don't need a 115 underfoot ski, even if you are gonna be skiing pow in vail. Honestly there are plenty of 100 underfoot skis that ski pow fine, and will ski groomed much, much better than the benchetler, JJ, or s7. I was not overly impressed with the benchetler's groomer skiing ability, but I think they are a ton of fun in 3 dimensional snow conditions. It think you would be doing yourself a service if you got something like the sick day 95 (if you want playful) or the armada tst if you want solid pow and groomer performance.

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If you want to throw another ski into the mix check out the k2 pettitors. Its a similar ski to the chet but instead of being more or less the same stiffness throughout its softer in the tips and tails and stiffer under foot.

Just throwing that out there if you're looking for a deal. I just picked up a pair from last year in mint shape for 400 with bindings

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