Long time lurker, finally signed up. Love the Lon and RyansXstar stories! I pray I get to meet them one day...they are LEGENDS!

Anyhoo, I currently have a 2001 Centurion Concourse, 23'. Love the surf wake...with 1500lbs (ish) of ballast on the port side. I do crap bricks since at that point the water is at the rub rail. If I'm driving, I'm not worried. What concerns me is when I'm NOT driving. Now that I'm a family man, it is a major concern.

Surfing 80%, wakeboarding 20% (maybe less). Mainly port side, but there will be some darksiders at some point, I'm sure. I'd like to have something decent on both sides. I don't need the most macked out wake so I don't have to slam the boat if I don't have to. That will obviously help with freeboard. I guess the short way of saying it is the most wake with the least (aftermarket) ballast. Bells and whistles are neat but I think I'm a pretty conservative guy when it comes to that (though I do appreciate it), so I really don't care about the bling.

Do not buy a boat off of its wakesurfing wake. Buy a boat based off of its size, reputation, build, quality, condition, appeal, etc...

No wakeboarding boats will do what you want as far as a surf wake goes (once again IMHO) without external sacks added to it. (I happily own a Bu and do not surf with the wedge down despite what they hype says, and use internal and external ballast.)

If you buying used by over 5 years then opinions based off of those mentioned choices from us here are pretty worthless. It truly comes down to what I mentioned above. A 2005 Bu offered for sale in you area might be much nicer than an 08 Enzo in that area, or vice versa given what that boat has been through.

Just don't put too much priority on our opinions regarding surf wakes when deciding on what 40K boat to buy!

look at deep v boats that need less weight to make a great wave. its always easier to make a wakeboard wake than a surf wave. almost every v drive will make a great wakeboard wake. now a lot of flat bottom v drives will not make the wave with ease. It may require a lot of weight. I found that having bags all over the boat made for a Sh@tty day, so if you dont want everyone to have to sit on 2k of bags and have the same rub rail fears. look at boats that are more oriented to surfing, the enzo's, avy, tige line, sanger, mb, supreme has a bunch of deeper v boats. i know you can get a killer wake out of the bu 247, the lsv23 with a lot of weight. etc etc.

look at deep v boats that need less weight to make a great wave. its always easier to make a wakeboard wake than a surf wave. almost every v drive will make a great wakeboard wake. now a lot of flat bottom v drives will not make the wave with ease. It may require a lot of weight. I found that having bags all over the boat made for a Sh@tty day, so if you dont want everyone to have to sit on 2k of bags and have the same rub rail fears. look at boats that are more oriented to surfing, the enzo's, avy, tige line, sanger, mb, supreme has a bunch of deeper v boats. i know you can get a killer wake out of the bu 247, the lsv23 with a lot of weight. etc etc.

Exactly, like I said in my origInal question: which one of them will make a great surf wake and have max freeboard with factory ballast and maybe 1 additional bag in a locker.

i bought a 05' 23' enzo i have a 1100# in rear locker I removed the stock hard tanks and installed a 750# under port bench it runs just up to the clam shell seat. to me this makes a great suft wake. i have anywhere from my two kids 45# and 55# wife driving to a hand full up big guys and the wave is plenty big for me. it sinks the rub rail up to the vent. i know guys put more weight in them but im not sure how i could get more weight in the port side with out some weight on the starboard to counter it a bit. i am super happy with the boat.. should be able to find one for 30-35k and leave 5k to up grade bags and pumps. good luck

The 226 is a great choice. I have surfed most if not all of the top surf boats and so far the 226 is my favorite wave of all of them.My wife and I have been talking about selling our centurion and placing a order for a 226. I have been using the boat builder and think we have the design narrowed down. Now just have to find the right price on a custom order.

The older Tige's would be a excellent choice as well as the Centurion.The MB has a good wave also and you may get a newer model year.The Malibu will require the most weight,but will still make a good wave.The Tige 22VE will make a nice surf able wave with only 600 lbs in the rear surf side,but will make a really nice long wave with 900 to 1000 lbs in the surf rear and under the passenger seats.Also need to add some weight off side and up front.The nice thing about the 05-08 Tige's is most of them came without ballast,but can easily be plumbed with a tournament quality bag set up.No matter which boat you choose you should demo it and make sure it works for you.