Program
Review and Investigations Committee

Minutes
of the<MeetNo1>2nd Meeting

of the 2002 Interim

<MeetMDY1>July 11, 2002

The<MeetNo2>2nd meeting of the Program Review and
Investigations Committee was held on<Day>Thursday,<MeetMDY2>July 11, 2002, at<MeetTime>10:00 AM, in<Room>Room
131 of the Capitol Annex. Representative Gippy Graham,
Chair, called the meeting to order, and the secretary called the roll.

Minutes of the June 17, 2002 meeting were approved by voice
vote upon motion made by Rep. Coleman and seconded by Rep. Hoffman.

Dr. Wilson introduced staff and noted that staff would be
receiving an Excellence in Research Methods award, a Certificate of Recognition
of Impact, and a 2002 Notable Documents award at the National Conference of
State Legislators.

The 2002-2003 Committee Operations Manual was adopted by voice
vote upon motion made by Sen. McGaha and seconded by Sen. Harris.

It was decided to move the August meeting of Program Review
to Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 1:00 p.m. in order to accommodate committee
members who plan to attend a meeting of the American Legislative Exchange
Council conference during the second week in August.

Rep. Graham explained the procedure for voting on
the twelve study topics that had been selected by him and the Co-Chair. He
noted that it would take nine votes to initiate a study, and that no more than
five study topics would be selected. He asked Dr. Wilson for a brief
explanation of the twelve topics, and mentioned that staff was already working
on two other studies, the East/West Corporations, and SEEK which could be presented
at the October and November meetings of the Committee.

Rep. Graham requested that each member go through the list
of topics and discuss those of importance to them. After lengthy discussion,
members agreed that each of the twelve topics was important.

Rep. Coleman asked Dr. Wilson to repeat staff’s position on
making recommendations regarding public financing of gubernatorial elections.

Dr. Wilson stated that staff could provide an informational
report, which would include descriptions based on the experiences of other
states with public financing of gubernatorial elections. She explained that
staff would be unable to make any recommendations regarding whether or not the
state should have public financing of campaigns because that is a policy issue.
She also stated that staff understood the heightened sensitivity to the issue,
and would provide impartial descriptive information obtained from other
states.

Rep. Coleman stated that he felt that several of the study
topics being requested were born out of frustration over not getting bills
passed or from not having committee meetings. He also stated that some of the
study topics listed had no business being done as a Program Review and
Investigations study, and that they needed to be heard by the appropriate
standing or interim committee.

Sen. Stine stated that she had been told by the Director of
the LRC that support staff would be provided to the Program Review and
Investigations Committee for any study that the committee decided to undertake.
She also stated that if members of the legislature requested studies, then the
Program Review Committee should not be hindered from doing those studies
because of inadequate staff. She also stated that if the members of the
committee felt a desire to have a study topic studied, then members should be
allowed to request and vote on as many study topics as they felt necessary.
Sen. Stine agreed that the interim had not been busy, but she stated that it
was beginning to look like the process would open up soon. As to public
financing of gubernatorial elections, Sen. Stine stated that staff had always
shown expertise and non-partisanship when conducting any study, and she felt
confident that they could navigate the political waters.

Sen. Stine made a motion that public financing of
gubernatorial elections be one of the five study topics. Chairman Graham
refrained from entertaining a second on the motion until further discussion.

Sen. McGaha stated that selecting five studies was not
enough, and since the other committees were not meeting, the staffs of those
committees could assist the Program Review staff in conducting more studies.

Sen. Guthrie requested that the Auditor of Public Accounts
come before the Program Review Committee upon completion of its review of the
Transportation Cabinet to report the findings.

Rep. Palumbo stated that she would like to see a review of
the failing schools and dropout rates included in the study of grading of CATS
portfolios.

Rep. Graham stated that he would like to invite
representatives from the Council on Post-Secondary Education and officials from
Kentucky State University to the Program Review meeting in September to discuss
issues surrounding Kentucky State University.

Rep. Graham talked about limiting the study topics to five.
He stated that the committee would be working all through the year and next
year, and that the committee could always come back and vote on more study
topics as it deemed necessary.

The study of public financing of gubernatorial elections was
approved by roll call vote upon motion made by Sen. Stine and seconded by Sen.
Harris.

Rep. Coleman made a motion to consider Kentucky State
University as a study for Program Review. Sen. Borders asked to amend the
motion to include the post-secondary education study topic with Kentucky State
University study.

Rep. Coleman asked Dr. Wilson if it would be feasible to
combine Kentucky State University and post-secondary education studies as
one.

Dr. Wilson stated that staff would consider the
governance issue as a general topic, and at every stage of the research, staff
would use KSU as an example of the issues that were crosscutting for the
Council on Post-Secondary Education. She also told committee members that the
Committee could gather information on its own by having hearings, and working
independently from staff.

The study of Kentucky State University, combined with
post-secondary education, was approved by roll call vote upon motion made by
Sen. Borders and seconded by Rep. Coleman.

The study of medical malpractice insurance was approved by
roll call vote upon motion made by Sen. McGaha and seconded by Rep. Baugh.

The study of enterprise zones was approved by roll call
vote upon motion made by Rep. Palumbo and seconded by Sen. Borders.

A motion made by Rep. Sims and seconded by Sen. Stine to
approve a study of state materials procurement failed upon roll call vote.

The study of grading CATS portfolios was approved by roll
call vote upon motion made by Rep. Hoffman and seconded by Sen. McGaha.

The study of grading CATS portfolios as amended to include
failing schools and dropout rates was approved by roll call vote upon motion
made by Rep. Palumbo and seconded by Sen. McGaha.

Rep. Arnold stated that it was his understanding that if the
interim committees started to meet again, then the Program Review Committee
could relinquish study topics to the proper committee for its review and
evaluation.