Texas Prosecutors Lived In A State Of Terror Before They Were Gunned Downhttp://www.businessinsider.com/mike-mclelland-feared-for-his-life-2013-4/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 10:28:30 -0500Erin Fuchshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a45a8ecad043707000003Alice TiptonMon, 01 Apr 2013 22:42:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a45a8ecad043707000003
These people were out there twisting in the wind, doing their jobs while facing death - which eventually found them. I don't think many of us understand the amount of courage that took. They stood up for their beliefs, jobs and honor system knowing it might cost them their lives and the grief that would fall on the people who loved them. Hard to put it in terms that fit the national debate over gun control. It seems bigger than that and more important.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a214decad047576000003bangelsanMon, 01 Apr 2013 20:07:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a214decad047576000003
Before they killed Ebel after the Colorado shooting the first speculations here were of a Saudi Arabia connection. They showed the Arab man on tv and basically said he did it because he didn't get a transfer to a Saudi prison. Before Tim Mcviegh was captured they were positive there was an Arab connection. Evan Ebel also had bomb making materials.
When will you own up to the fact that there is a population of domestic terrorists born and bred here who do the spree killings, bombings, racial hatred and assassination crimes. They're anti-government, pro-gun nuts and typically fall into just one demographic.
Stop trying to pretend each one is an isolated incident or some minority group out to get you. You make yourselves into cowards afraid of your own shadows when you do. I have no gun and I fear no man, whether he is armed or not.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a1a2beab8eaba20000001Neutral GuyMon, 01 Apr 2013 19:37:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a1a2beab8eaba20000001
Not advocating everyone carry a gun. Saying that there's more to a solution than banning guns or types of guns, esp if they're already in a safe purchased by law abiding citizens.
Mexico has enforcement. They'll arrest you and put you into prison if you are caught w/ a weapon. It's more of a drug issue and corruption, than guns.
Brazil has strict gun control laws and the bad elements still have guns.
Certain people only see the gun issue when it's really a multiple faceted issue: guns, gangs, drugs, money/profits, corruption, violence, mental health and a lack of respect for human life.
Would revise the statement to say less guns in the hands of bad people = less crime.
But let's stop and think before we pass laws that disarm only those that will obey those laws in the first place.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a1a1fecad04ae71000003JosiahMon, 01 Apr 2013 19:37:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a1a1fecad04ae71000003
ok, just so yall get the scoop from the local gossip, which can often be more truthful of the state of it's society, we are all thinking this could have been the actions of a mexican gang (who do much more work around here than the aryan nation).
after all, it was a mexican drug cartel that mailed a head in a box to the "dpt of the army."
ps, all these people trying to make a political argument out of these poor peoples death is horrible. ps, to all you who are, an AR15 trumps a pistol. so the fight was not a fair show of force by any means, and is precisely why people also say we need the right to have our AR15s, because in the case we have them in the right place in the right time, it can still save lives. it's also like saying we don't need seat belts because any wreck over 50 mph will likely still kill somebody. sheer lack of thought process progressives, you really outdid yourselves today.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a0940eab8ea7b7f000010Buster BunnsMon, 01 Apr 2013 18:25:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a0940eab8ea7b7f000010
I am with those who believe the Mexican drug cartels are probably behind these assassinations. It is time to wheel out the big guns and join the Mexican government in systematically eliminating this vicious criminal rabble.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a087fecad043f66000003Mentor2Mon, 01 Apr 2013 18:21:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a087fecad043f66000003
Re: John P Walker - you're a perfect example why we need gun control.
In your world: "Let people all have guns because we need to defend ourselves from the government" - this is really the rally cry of the NRA.
You're hiding behind the 2nd amendment but if everyone did their homework and actually read it and took into account the time it was put in place - it was for the militia to carry arms, since there was NOT an official army, the government needed the ability to call up an army at little notice and allowed the public to carry arms so it could be used when the army was called up.
Also, the government didn't need to supply arms, that is no cost to the government.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a0852ecad04336400000aKCRobMon, 01 Apr 2013 18:21:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a0852ecad04336400000a
Should we go into the left-wing violence in our past (and present)? Nah - what's the use.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a048d69bedd0f4500000fSchmidtMon, 01 Apr 2013 18:05:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a048d69bedd0f4500000f
I can't believe the comments I am reading here. Those two guys were true heroes who decided to hold on to their principles instead of avoiding trouble and the ultimate threat.
Really, unbelievable.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a03efeab8ead674000003jamesxxxxxxxxxMon, 01 Apr 2013 18:02:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a03efeab8ead674000003
You're right.
One incident doesn't prove anything.
But the broad statistics do show more guns = more gun crime.
Mexico - with strict laws but zero enforcing meaning lots of guns = massive gun crime.
Canada - with stricter and more enforced gun laws - has a lot less gun crime.
Japan - with very strict gun laws has basically zero gun crime.
I understand the 2cnd Amendment 'freedom' arguments - but those who think more guns will keep you safe are basically retarded.
More guns = more gun crime - always, without exception. The only thing close to an exception might be Switzerland - but the Swiss have rifles locked up in their basements - they do not carry weapons for self defense.
You have to be completely stupid to think that a society in which everyone is carrying a gun will be safer than a society wherein guns just are not available at all.
I understand banning guns in America will likely have no immediate effect -the guns are already everywhere - but they can definitely be regulated.
It's 5x more difficult for a bad guy to get a gun in Canada than it is in the US, so we have a lot less gun crime.
It's just simple probabilities.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a01daeab8eaf971000002Are you new?Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:53:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/515a01daeab8eaf971000002
He is saying that you made a straw-man argument. Nobody said anything about being invulnerable when you are armed. What you are implying is that since this man died clearly gun control laws can be enacted because even armed people die. So, in other words, it would have been preferable if he wasn't armed at all. Apparently the ability to self defense is not reason enough.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159fec16bb3f73a4800000etroobleMon, 01 Apr 2013 17:40:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159fec16bb3f73a4800000e
When the NRA loses the support of cops and prosecutors, its over. They have been supportive in the past, but now it's bedtime for free guns in America. And it's high time. GO ATF!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159fb2169bedd812c000013shall7070Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:24:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159fb2169bedd812c000013
Are BI reporters unaware of new speculation re: Mexican cartel involvement or are they omitting that info from all articles for a reason?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159ebffecad04372e000002John P. WalkerMon, 01 Apr 2013 16:20:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159ebffecad04372e000002
The truth is this prosecutor was a member of the police state and justice was served. Anyone who gets involved in private business becomes a party of that business. If you are part of the system that puts people in a cage at gunpoint, you deserve the gun to be pointed at you. The lesson of this story is to mind your own business and don't volunteer to get up in people's business.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159ebd7eab8ea5039000003John P. WalkerMon, 01 Apr 2013 16:19:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159ebd7eab8ea5039000003
The truth is this prosecutor was a member of the police state and justice was served. Anyone who gets involved in private business becomes a party of that business. If you are part of the system that puts people in a cage at gunpoint, you deserve the gun to be pointed at you. The lesson of this story is to mind your own business and don't volunteer to get up in people's business.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159eabe69beddf903000001Neutral GuyMon, 01 Apr 2013 16:14:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159eabe69beddf903000001
Oh, this is towards the person who started with 'they're armed yet they couldn't defend themselves.' No one is arguing that the right to carry / carry permit will be a 100% solution in all defensive situations. So making that point is useless.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e8bfecad044e2500000ecmonsterMon, 01 Apr 2013 16:06:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e8bfecad044e2500000e
And with your logic, you believe that they wouldn't have been killed if there was any change in the gun control laws? How would the proposed changes in gun laws stop criminals who choose to kill with guns? It's complete naivete to believe that these people would follow any new laws since they don't follow the existing laws.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e51369bedd9375000002Jack BurtonMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:50:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e51369bedd9375000002
I don't think the 99% are in any way prepared to go violent. No matter how rigged and outrageous the fake court system is, it favors the 1% and always will. The 99% are at present fully contained by patriotism for a nation they still feel is theirs. How mistaken they are. This nation now functions as a global police and repression force for the benefit of transnational corporations and banks.
Americans have a LONG way to go before they react against the system they live under. Right now all they care about is getting a job or keeping a job. Their security is almost zero and their wages stagnant or falling their benefits are being cut and most workers are more anti union than their bosses. For the present, the 1% are secure in the knowledge that the education system, the media and the churches have full control of the 99% rabble, who would rather kill Iranians and Syrians much more than they would ever want to touch a hair on the head of the banker or boss making their lives hell. Americans are more patriotic and supportive of the present system of elite control than ever. They even form Tea Bagger parties ti stand in solidarity with banks, corporate bosses, the military industrial complex, the national security state and organized state sanctioned religions.
No revolution. The cops like these folks in Texas have more to fear from the drug cartels than anything else. The Mexican drug wars are moving onto US soil. The blood bath will be extreme.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e39aeab8ea0e23000008JimKCMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:44:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e39aeab8ea0e23000008
That's always been the case- the rabid, gun-toting right wingers - the threat of violence for anyone who disagrees with them.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e27469bedd1d67000013john1066Mon, 01 Apr 2013 15:39:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e27469bedd1d67000013
"How exactly would gun control have helped this situation? It's already illegal to murder people, so clearly the perps have no interest in obeying the law. How would a gun ban have helped?"
So what you are saying is laws are useless. So then why have any of them if they are so useless?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e0a8ecad040918000007Aqua BuddhaMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:31:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e0a8ecad040918000007
THis is the beginning of a more troubling trend. That is people's outrage right or wrong has no satisfaction in the courts which are owned and rigged.
Soon Bankers, elected clowns and DHS tools will not be able to sleep safe anywhere in the country. I do not want to live in Mexico like conditions! Look at the kidnapping in CHicago over the weekend.
The 99% are feeling the pain and some of them are getting down right nasty. My math says that the DHS, FBI and the local county mounties are outnumber 1,000 to one.
God Help us!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e03c6bb3f7bd0b000011ScottMMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:30:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159e03c6bb3f7bd0b000011
Douchebag comments about "They were armed and still died" in 3....2....wait....there already is one!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dff7eab8ea541d00000eSam CookeMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:28:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dff7eab8ea541d00000e
Hopefully this proves to a segment of society that times have changed. In 2013 talking smack thinking you're John Wayne will get you killed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159df49eab8ea981a00000afloridiotMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:26:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159df49eab8ea981a00000a
This should make the next round of Texas political rallies entertaining to watch. Is the armed angry looking white guy a tea party patriot enjoying his right to open carry...or is he from the aryan brotherhood and looking to get even with the tough on crime texas politicos.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dee9ecad04af11000015jjMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:24:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dee9ecad04af11000015
So you're saying the 2nd Amendment is not American values?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159debaecad047411000019Smitty PAMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:23:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159debaecad047411000019
Who are you talking to... and about what exactly?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159de5d6bb3f7180900000bjjMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:22:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159de5d6bb3f7180900000b
What a jerk you can be. A guy gets murdered and you immediately politicize it about gun control.
Nobody is arguing that letting people arm and defend themselves would completely eliminate gun violence, so your comment is just a stupid straw man presented by you.
How exactly would gun control have helped this situation? It's already illegal to murder people, so clearly the perps have no interest in obeying the law. How would a gun ban have helped? Do you actually believe the criminals would have abided by gun laws if they weren't willing to abide by laws against murder?
john1066, you don't seem to have many brain cells, but at least try to use the ones you have a little better. Oh, and I can't wait to see how you weave some mention of old people eating cat food into your response.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159de226bb3f74e09000005Neutral GuyMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:21:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159de226bb3f74e09000005
You cannot point to a single incident and conclude based on only that incident that the policy / position is flawed. Well I guess you can but then you run the risk of your argument being called out as weak.
Not personally directed at you. Directed at your argument.
They CHOSE to carry. Whether or not it was effective during that particular incident is irrelevant. Others have no choice b/c it's against the law and they follow the law.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dd8f6bb3f74a09000004Beltway GregMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:18:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dd8f6bb3f74a09000004
Don't worry with Ted Cruz and Rick Perry making your laws this can only get better.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dd216bb3f7ce0400000dtroobleMon, 01 Apr 2013 15:16:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159dd216bb3f7ce0400000d
Yeah, the NRA dystopia, which is only fit for video games and not real life, is evidence of their hatred for American values. Americans are disgusted by these people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159db506bb3f7c404000002john1066Mon, 01 Apr 2013 15:09:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5159db506bb3f7c404000002
Since the good guys where armed and ready that means they could not be dead.
Isn't that the NRA logic?