quote:I hope they bury them. A goddamned terrorist organization has no business attempting to function as a legitimate government.

Huh? Come on man. History is full of governments and world leaders that started out as terroirists and terrorist organizations. As a matter of fact, the last six Presidents have hosted terrorists at the White House.

quote:I love the knee jerk reaction here that the right has. Anytime Israel kills people, they've done a good job and were egged on.

Well, is it not true that Israel's primary goal is simply to exist and if the islamic groups would just leave them the frick alone and not threaten or aggitate them and recognized their right to exist as Israel, all violence would pretty much cease?

Israel wants the occupied territories and will not give them up. It wants to be rid of the indigenous population it finds in its midst.

Israel wants the land without the people, much like Hitler wanted Eastern Europe without the Slavs.

Israel will not give equal rights to the arabs and can't figure out how to get rid of them so it is satisfied with the US supporting the status quo as it slowly continues its ethnic cleansing and incorporation.

quote:Look, I know people love to bitch about media bias, but you didn't even have to click the article. It was in the OP, clearly mentioned. Even the pro-Hamas writer had the rocket strikes as part of his narrative. Can we at least have our complaints bear some resemblance to reality?

Thanks.

I was responding to trackfans link to the American Conservative, which made no mention of the strikes.

If you click THAT link, you'll apologize to me.

ETA:

Here is the entire story to which I was responding so it doesn't get changed on me.

quote:Bibi Bares Some Fang By SCOTT MCCONNELL • November 14, 2012, 4:59 PM Tweet Now we will begin to find out whether Obama in his second term can deliver anything different from what Mitt Romney or George W. Bush would deliver. Israel’s prime minister Netanyahu has begun another miniwar against a largely defenseless people in Gaza. Israel is a practiced master of this — send an armored personal carrier across the border, provoke a response, assassinate a Palestinian leader, wait for the reaction, use its high-tech military to kill a few dozen or a few hundred Palestinians. Of course it’s done with American weapons, provided free of charge by American taxpayers. And if the Palestinians or Arab states complain to the UN, Washington will “have Israel’s back.” Jeremiah Haber precisely describes the process here:

I spoke with an expert on the Israeli military shortly after “Operation Cast Lead,” and when I told him that many argued that the operation was a reaction to Hamas rocket-fire, he laughed. He said that Hamas rocket-fire was deliberately provoked when Israel broke the cease-fire so that Israel could do a little “spring cleaning,” deplete Hamas’s arsenal of weapons. He told me that this happens every few years, and that I should expect it to happen in another few years. Israel will assassinate a Hamas leader, Hamas will have to respond (wouldn’t Israel, under those circumstances?) and Israel will perform a “clean up” operation. If Hamas is smart and doesn’t play into Israel’s hands, then Israel will also come out ahead, because it will be weakened in the eyes of the Palestinian public. It’s win-win for Israel. That’s what having control means.

MJ Rosenberg tweets that one strategic goal of the attack, (which Obama will inevitably support, or at least fail to criticize) is to torpedo possible American negotiations with Iran. So it’s a three-fer: kill a lot Palestinians and show them who’s boss; keep the Iranian pot boiling; and illuminate Obama’s continued deference to the Israel lobby. Over to you, Mr. President.

Israel wants the occupied territories and will not give them up. It wants to be rid of the indigenous population it finds in its midst.

Israel wants the land without the people, much like Hitler wanted Eastern Europe without the Slavs.

Israel will not give equal rights to the arabs and can't figure out how to get rid of them so it is satisfied with the US supporting the status quo as it slowly continues its ethnic cleansing and incorporation.

I am not sure about all that. I know the general history of how the Jews landed in what is now known as Israel. As far as I am concerned, they were desperate, had no where else to go, and simply wanted to find somewhere to exist and not become extint.

So they landed in what is now Israel. And I believe they just want to be left the frick alone and to exist and make little Jews or whatever they do.

So, IMO, the islamic people and so forth should quit fricking with them and leave them alone.

quote:Well, is it not true that Israel's primary goal is simply to exist and if the islamic groups would just leave them the frick alone and not threaten or aggitate them and recognized their right to exist as Israel, all violence would pretty much cease?

No. The primary goal of the current regime is to realize the dream of Greater Israel. When James Baker was Secretary of State, he went to an AIPAC conference and told them to give up on this dream and he was booed and smeared as an Nazi sympathizer.

EDIT: The next time a Jewish member of Congress criticized Israel's settlement policy will be the first. If they were only concerned with being left alone, why would they be so committed to settlement building, land confiscations and expulsions? Check out what happened when Bush 41 tried to stop settlememy building.

quote: On May 15, Israel's Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force (UNEF), stationed in the Sinai since 1956 as a buffer between Israeli and Egyptian forces after Israel’s withdrawal following the Sinai Campaign, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly (as his predecessor had promised), Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs radio station proclaimed on May 18, 1967: As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain any more to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.(6) An enthusiastic echo was heard May 20 from Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad: Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united....I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.(7)

quote:BS! This all goes back to the six day war in 1967 and why the Arabs attacked Israel.

Of course the Arabs refused to sit idly by and allow a Jewish state, made up of European exiles, to come into existence at their expense in 1948. They weren't the perpetrators of the Holocust and saw no reason why they should be made to pay the price for crimes committed by Europeans. But the Europeans, lead by Winston Churchill, rejected the logic that Palestine's indigenous people had a right to live in Palestine. Here's Churchill in his own words regarding Arab objections to the creation of Israel:

"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

The bottom line is that Israel was founded on the premise of White supremacy as a way for Europe to solve its "Jew problem". Why didn't Europe give Jews land to create their state? Why didn't they make Germany give up Bavaria for example? Why did the U.S. turn away a ship full of Jewish WWII refugees?

EDIT: By the way, Israel started the Six Day War, not the Arabs. Get your facts right.

quote:No. The primary goal of the current regime is to realize the dream of Greater Israel. When James Baker was Secretary of State, he went to an AIPAC conference and told them to give up on this dream and he was booed and smeared as an Nazi sympathizer.

If I had to guess I'd guess that the primary goal of the current Israeli regime is to prevent Iran from developing or acquiring nuclear weapons. As evidence I offer the speach Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu made to AIPAC in March 2012. LINK The leader of Israel made zero mention of Greater Israel to his audience. A rather glaring omission if realization of Greater Israel is the primary goal of his government to a supportive audience.

And just what exactly is Greater Israel? Is it Israel one square centimeter larger than 1967? Without you defining Greater Israel how can anyone conclude whether or not the dream of realizing Greater Israel is reasonable?

quote:As long as the occupation continues there will be new fighters against the Zionist occupation.

Israel is paying a minor price, we are paying the biggest price here. This will create more and more terrorists and will have ramifications on our troops in Afghanistan, pakistan and throughout the Mideast. Sheeples gonna sheeple

quote:Of course the Arabs refused to sit idly by and allow a Jewish state, made up of European exiles, to come into existence at their expense in 1948. They weren't the perpetrators of the Holocust and saw no reason why they should be made to pay the price for crimes committed by Europeans.