I asked this question but nobody seemed to have a anwser? But i found anwsers in another forum under a title "are they worth it"
Judge for yourself!!!

Sep 26 2005 : 20:51:38

What is the big attraction that so many guys want a foriegn bride??
From what ive been reading it looks like alot more work than its worth and risky. The only reason im on this site is because i find it somewhat entertaining! After recieving a response from a Russian girl and we started emailing each other, i became suspicious, by the 3rd letter when she wouldnt anwser any questions.Thats when i started investigating and found these forums.I have been approached by 3 others since. Out of the 4 i think one could be real? time will tell,Even if she is i dont think it would be worth all the time, effort and money. I cant help but feel that with all of the culture changes, missing family-homesick, language barrier etc.And with what ive read in some postings to what has happened after men brought them back to there home, country etc. many got there clocks cleaned and there hearts broken.So knowing all of this i ask- WHATS THE ATTRACTION??
Mike

replies from that thread:

Are Russian women really worth all of the scams, lies and dishonesty?? It all depends on what you are looking for.
Personally, I regard them very highly. But would I ever consider marriage with one?? Not a chance !!
I know them much too well to ever have such a foolish idea.
I have said this many times. If you REALLY want to know about these women. Ask a Russian man and learn the truth.
Stop being internet dummies, believing what you hear from marriage agencies, Russian women, and western keyboard romeos.
How many success stories do you hear about longterm Russian women/Western men relationships? Very, very few.
How many scam stories do you hear? Very, very many.
They are simply not compatible with western culture. It is just too much for them to learn in such a short period of time.
Maybe in 100 years they will step out of their 19th century mentality, but for now, they have too much to learn.
Very nice play things, but not real marriage material.

I have actually meet two Russian girls married here and my impression was that they were not really happy here..it sounds like fun to them to go to the West but when they realise the streets are not paved with gold and money does not grow on trees and lifes realities, life in the West becomes tarnished to them pretty quickly..it is a different world for them..we have no Opera theatres or none of those cultural things they take for granted everyday in the FSU..operas and concerts are too expensive and out of reach here and most Western men are not interested in anyway with such things..we like to watch football on t.v etc...not go to a concert for 5 hours and sit and watch something you don't understand..many Western men find that boring and its incomprehensible to a Russian or FSU women why we found such things "boring"..I personally would go to sleep during one of those events!
Russian women think Western men are "weird" and most have a low opinion of them.
Some Russian girls or individuals scam, some do this internet bride profile thing as a novelty and not serious and some look at the West through "rose colored glasses" and do not do there research before coming here and become unhappy.

Very few Russian/Western marriages succeed and most are doomed because of the huge differences in culture and mentality for these girls..they are incapable of understanding us and our ways.

Seriously guys..my advice is to forget about it and get a local girl or stay alone ( you can relieve your sexual frustration at a brothel far cheaper than importing an FSU girl )..your better off.
You are courting scam or disaster with FSU internet brides!

If a guy decides to play the internet marriage agency game, my advice is DO NOT take any of it seriously. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK that you are writing to, is really someone else. 50% of the time, the girl that YOU THINK is developing a realtionship with you, is also writing to 20 other guys, making them think the same thing. The odds are stacked way against a successful outcome. The agencies themselves couldn't care less. Bottom line is they don't care about anything other than your money.
Internet love does not work in most cases and it never will. It only leads to frustration and anger.

This is the reality with internet dating..full of scam, lies and failures..don't take this thing seriously, guys!
99.9% chance of scam or failure with internet dating..don't waste money with agencies that do not allow exchange of members private e-mail addresses or charge exorbitant fees.
Most agency databases are cross shared,stolen or sold and re-sold over and over..the databases become so old the girls are not available anymore or its full of scammers.
Look Russian /FSU women are fine for there countrymen.
You can't uproot something from an "alien culture" and expect it to adapt and be happy in the West (US, Canada, Australia etc.).
Its like taking a plant that grows only in the tropics and then planting it outside in the Antartic..it will not grow..IT DOES NOT WORK!
Russia etc. is a great country for these girls..they should stay there with the family, friends and culture, they have always known and be happy.

That's a damn good comparison. I never thought of it like that but it makes good sense. Especially since most of them have the mind of a plant.
Here are some other reasons.
1. Very insensitive women and many of them just don't like men in general.
2. Very unforgiving women. If you piss one off, they tend to stay pissed. Sometimes FOREVER !!
3. Very unemotional women. They would much prefer to tell you a lie, rather than say what is really on their mind.
4. Very overrated women. I think that they probably believe all of this Marriage Agency/Internet crap more than we do.
5. Very selfish women. Normally the most important thing in a Russian womans mind is herself. Aside from her 'blood family' she will care very little about anyone else.

THE ODDS ARE STACKED WAY AGAINST YOU!

If you were to travel to some of the smaller places in Russia (Ryazan, Kazan, Ufa, Samara) you would be totally amazed at what you would see. Aside from Moscow and St Petersburg, and the uninhabited areas, the entire country is nothing more than a huge ghetto. Very limited modern facilities and nothing more than basic Soviet era housing. In many ways, socialism is still a way of life and will be for the next 100 years.
The typical Russian woman knows very little about the modern world other than cell phones and the internet.
A western guy entering into a relationship with a Russian woman will need alot of time to even begin to understand the mentality. Cultural differences and language barriers can be overcome, but it takes a very special kind of girl to be able to step out of the 'dark ages' and into the moI don't advise involvement with a Russian/FSU women..they are over rated by the hype and lies of interent marriage agencies..the reality is a nightmare.
It takes a LOT OF PATIENCE, UNDERSTANDING AND MONEY TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND MARRY A RUSSIAN/FSU WOMAN AND THE MARRIAGES WILL NOT LAST...98% OF WESTERN MEN CAN NOT HANDLE THE EMOTIONAL, MENTAL AND FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS..THEY ARE TOO DIFFERENT IN MENTALITY AND CULTURE.
dern world. Most of them can not do it.

All men and women too make mistakes and errors of judgement from time to time as WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND NOT PERFECT but to to have a "mentality" to hold on too grudges for life as a lot of FSU women do, ruins the relationship..such a woman I would dump in the garbage and move on because why should a man put up with such sh*t!
These women are the type that will do the "cold shoulder, silent, not talk to you for days, treatment if you do something which is in there eyes wrong, even if it is trivial" and I don't like that sort of thing..its very stressful!

These women all seem to think that we are stupid or something. But it is very easy to sense when something is not right with a woman. Even with only e-mail.

Its really sad that this does exist and many people are hurt from it.
I probably would have been one of them.I was lucky,I became suspicious
and found these forums.Speaking for myself i just don't think its worth the headache or heartbreak.
I thank everyone for this forum.[^] Mike

elenag

10-02-2005, 06:44 AM

Poor Mike.
He sounds like a real angry person. My condolences.

elenag

10-02-2005, 06:44 AM

Poor Mike.
He sounds like a real angry person. My condolences.

scam magnet

10-02-2005, 06:49 PM

Poor Mike.
He sounds like a real angry person. My condolences.

The truth hurts, let the facts speak for themself. I think that is a pretty short reply for so much info.But when your makebelieve world is threatened and your stuck in your DENIAL Its probably all you got.[:0]

Poor, not me, mid 6 digit income.:D
Angry, no,no reason to be.I wasnt scammed
Don't feel sorry for me, My life is great!I have it better than most
and am very grateful.

If it was children on these foriegn sites you could be labeled a pediphile,a 60 yr. old man + 20 yr. bride gives off that same affect.
So I guess that leaves PREDATER,etc.. as being a good description on both sides of the fence.
And where are all the happy endings??? Why dont they share thier success ?FACE IT!! there is not many out there.
HEY! if you lost a few thousand you got off cheap, vent your anger and show who it was, then move on,BE A MAN lifes to short to waste time on a foriegn bride or on this forum searching on one.

"ARE THEY WORTH IT"

scam magnet

10-02-2005, 06:49 PM

Poor Mike.
He sounds like a real angry person. My condolences.

The truth hurts, let the facts speak for themself. I think that is a pretty short reply for so much info.But when your makebelieve world is threatened and your stuck in your DENIAL Its probably all you got.[:0]

Poor, not me, mid 6 digit income.:D
Angry, no,no reason to be.I wasnt scammed
Don't feel sorry for me, My life is great!I have it better than most
and am very grateful.

If it was children on these foriegn sites you could be labeled a pediphile,a 60 yr. old man + 20 yr. bride gives off that same affect.
So I guess that leaves PREDATER,etc.. as being a good description on both sides of the fence.
And where are all the happy endings??? Why dont they share thier success ?FACE IT!! there is not many out there.
HEY! if you lost a few thousand you got off cheap, vent your anger and show who it was, then move on,BE A MAN lifes to short to waste time on a foriegn bride or on this forum searching on one.

"ARE THEY WORTH IT"

elenag

10-02-2005, 07:39 PM

Scam magnet,

You are right.

I don't think things are going to work out for you and a foreign lady. I suggest you stay local.

By the way, it sounds to me, that you could write a very good "What the attraction of marriage?" esse, as well. Would you care to try? I am sure some people on this forum could benefit greatly from a good esse on this subject.[:o)]

elenag

10-02-2005, 07:39 PM

Scam magnet,

You are right.

I don't think things are going to work out for you and a foreign lady. I suggest you stay local.

By the way, it sounds to me, that you could write a very good "What the attraction of marriage?" esse, as well. Would you care to try? I am sure some people on this forum could benefit greatly from a good esse on this subject.[:o)]

nick20045

10-02-2005, 11:21 PM

are they worth it?

heck NO!

you meet her family. dad, mother, sister, sisters boyfriend. she told them she likes you. they throw "a spread" of russian food. hug you. dad and mum do not speak english. you do not speak russian. but they hug you, invite you to their home. whatever you do, do NOT look at that chess board. get ready to see all the family photos. especially if the dad was in the army and served abroad.

get a life. these people are a different culture. ever heard of "give and take"?

i have just spent a week in russia. if you "get in with the right crowd" they are nice people.

i just got engaged last week to a russian girl. problem is, her dad and mum love me MORE then what she does!!!!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-02-2005, 11:21 PM

are they worth it?

heck NO!

you meet her family. dad, mother, sister, sisters boyfriend. she told them she likes you. they throw "a spread" of russian food. hug you. dad and mum do not speak english. you do not speak russian. but they hug you, invite you to their home. whatever you do, do NOT look at that chess board. get ready to see all the family photos. especially if the dad was in the army and served abroad.

get a life. these people are a different culture. ever heard of "give and take"?

i have just spent a week in russia. if you "get in with the right crowd" they are nice people.

i just got engaged last week to a russian girl. problem is, her dad and mum love me MORE then what she does!!!!!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

scam magnet

10-02-2005, 11:30 PM

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

scam magnet

10-02-2005, 11:30 PM

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

nick20045

10-02-2005, 11:35 PM

quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

elenag posts as a russian woman who is a "scam detective".

personally i think this person needs to sit and decide before giving advise.

some of the posts i have read are, i have to say, absolute crap.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-02-2005, 11:35 PM

quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

elenag posts as a russian woman who is a "scam detective".

personally i think this person needs to sit and decide before giving advise.

some of the posts i have read are, i have to say, absolute crap.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-03-2005, 02:49 AM

quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

I wasn't upset, but thanks for caring:)

My comment was a dumbass?[B)] Ouch! :D

My take on it is that 1) you need to lighten up, you sound overly angry. 2) some people need to stop thinking with the wrong head and learn to be sceptical, and 99% of the scammers won't be of any threat to them; 3) some RWs can be as great as the agencies advertize them, and some can be as bad as you can only imagine in your worst nightmare. 4) No every AM is suitable for a marriage to a RW (or for a marriage. period), and not every RW is suitable for a life in the US or for a marriage to an AM (or for any marriage for that matter). 5) therefore, posts or opinions that generalize to much on either side of the line tend to be... how to say it... inaccurate of the whole truth.

So, for all you out there reading this and that about RWs, some glowing agency ads and some doom and gloom reviews on the scam forums just like this one, the truth is probably going to be somewhere in the middle.

I am a woman (do you think there could be a guy by the name Elena? :D). I won't re-type everything about me, it has been discussed on another thread http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=351. You are welcome to refer to it with your questions about my gender and my relationship to this forum and to the subject of international dating in general.

elenag

10-03-2005, 02:49 AM

quote:Originally posted by scam magnet

Elenag,
I was not trying to upset you. Remember that this is a anti scam site
If you need help with marriage issues you will have to look elsewhere.
I never went looking for a foriegn bride, They found me (as i wrote).
Sounds like your a scam victim? But then you seem to encourage it.
What is your angle?? There must be one,Why, because you replied to this thread.Any one else would have just read it,not replied with a dumbass comment.
Oh!! I will continue to date here (FT.Lauderdale)We have no shortage
of woman, Plenty of foriegners, if your into that kinda thing.

HAPPY STALKING MIKE

Question: are you a man or woman ???

I wasn't upset, but thanks for caring:)

My comment was a dumbass?[B)] Ouch! :D

My take on it is that 1) you need to lighten up, you sound overly angry. 2) some people need to stop thinking with the wrong head and learn to be sceptical, and 99% of the scammers won't be of any threat to them; 3) some RWs can be as great as the agencies advertize them, and some can be as bad as you can only imagine in your worst nightmare. 4) No every AM is suitable for a marriage to a RW (or for a marriage. period), and not every RW is suitable for a life in the US or for a marriage to an AM (or for any marriage for that matter). 5) therefore, posts or opinions that generalize to much on either side of the line tend to be... how to say it... inaccurate of the whole truth.

So, for all you out there reading this and that about RWs, some glowing agency ads and some doom and gloom reviews on the scam forums just like this one, the truth is probably going to be somewhere in the middle.

I am a woman (do you think there could be a guy by the name Elena? :D). I won't re-type everything about me, it has been discussed on another thread http://www.stop-scammers.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=351. You are welcome to refer to it with your questions about my gender and my relationship to this forum and to the subject of international dating in general.

scam magnet

10-03-2005, 05:19 AM

Well... That about sums it all up. Lets see hmmm......
A Russian woman with a attitude, got lucky and made it to the U.S.
Now she acts like the #1 source of wealth + knowledge (guru)on this topic,What are you trying to prove??
You have shown that your immature.
I see that any time you dont agree with someones post you call them angry, I think it makes you look ignorant.
Intead of trying to protect the woman of Russia why dont you try something usefull like saving a forest.HEY.... Now that your in America you should be happy and grateful not angry so go on and be a good little housewife, it is what you were "bought" for!!!
Mike

scam magnet

10-03-2005, 05:19 AM

Well... That about sums it all up. Lets see hmmm......
A Russian woman with a attitude, got lucky and made it to the U.S.
Now she acts like the #1 source of wealth + knowledge (guru)on this topic,What are you trying to prove??
You have shown that your immature.
I see that any time you dont agree with someones post you call them angry, I think it makes you look ignorant.
Intead of trying to protect the woman of Russia why dont you try something usefull like saving a forest.HEY.... Now that your in America you should be happy and grateful not angry so go on and be a good little housewife, it is what you were "bought" for!!!
Mike

elenag

10-03-2005, 07:14 AM

[V]
ouch once again! :D what harsh words for someone you do not even know!

my advice to you stays the same: less negative emotions - more positive attitude! life will look alot brighter :)

oh well.

p.s. have a good night :D

elenag

10-03-2005, 07:14 AM

[V]
ouch once again! :D what harsh words for someone you do not even know!

my advice to you stays the same: less negative emotions - more positive attitude! life will look alot brighter :)

oh well.

p.s. have a good night :D

Sonar

10-03-2005, 10:32 AM

Scam magnet,
Excuse me for dropping my 2 cents here, but after reading this thread I can easily see where it might be headed.
I see that you have been accused of being an angry person. After reading your posts a couple of times, I see absolutely nothing that you have said that seems angry. There is a huge difference between the real cold/hard truth and (you know who's) perception of it.
Having been personally involved with several Russian women (I am not talking about internet love stories here) I can tell you that it is a common tactic when they have no other defense. "Oh, you are a very angry man". They all do it and it makes no difference if you are actually angry about anything or not. They just paint the label and then stick their head in the sand.
It is also very common on these type of forums for Russian women to bypass the real issues and try to label those that they do not agree with as angry woman haters. Loosers, misfits,undesirables.
After all, they are (in their own minds) the greatest thing since cheesecake.

Sonar

10-03-2005, 10:32 AM

Scam magnet,
Excuse me for dropping my 2 cents here, but after reading this thread I can easily see where it might be headed.
I see that you have been accused of being an angry person. After reading your posts a couple of times, I see absolutely nothing that you have said that seems angry. There is a huge difference between the real cold/hard truth and (you know who's) perception of it.
Having been personally involved with several Russian women (I am not talking about internet love stories here) I can tell you that it is a common tactic when they have no other defense. "Oh, you are a very angry man". They all do it and it makes no difference if you are actually angry about anything or not. They just paint the label and then stick their head in the sand.
It is also very common on these type of forums for Russian women to bypass the real issues and try to label those that they do not agree with as angry woman haters. Loosers, misfits,undesirables.
After all, they are (in their own minds) the greatest thing since cheesecake.

toymaker

10-03-2005, 11:46 AM

I really thought we were all past this petty name calling. A woman's point of view should be welcomed no matter her origin. Previosly it was mentioned that good marriages were few and not heard of.....why would someone that is happily married be commenting on this forum, much less reading it. Some comments do not make much sense. That is my comment, and I already have a name.

toymaker

10-03-2005, 11:46 AM

I really thought we were all past this petty name calling. A woman's point of view should be welcomed no matter her origin. Previosly it was mentioned that good marriages were few and not heard of.....why would someone that is happily married be commenting on this forum, much less reading it. Some comments do not make much sense. That is my comment, and I already have a name.

Sonar

10-03-2005, 12:28 PM

quote:Originally posted by toymaker

A woman's point of view should be welcomed no matter her origin. Some comments do not make much sense.
The guy clearly stated that he is not angry about anything. Her point of view is that he is. I tend to believe that he knows more about himself than she does.

Sonar

10-03-2005, 12:28 PM

quote:Originally posted by toymaker

A woman's point of view should be welcomed no matter her origin. Some comments do not make much sense.
The guy clearly stated that he is not angry about anything. Her point of view is that he is. I tend to believe that he knows more about himself than she does.

elenag

10-03-2005, 06:36 PM

bypass the important issues? I kind of thought I addressed "the important issue" in my previous post... what other important isues did I bypass? I am stratching my head here.

scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.

by the way, if several people tell you you are an angry man, you might want to at least get a third opinion from an independent party! :D i personally see angry men all the time. nothing to be surpised at given that I deal mainly with scam victims. and just because I think they are angry does not mean that I am the one with the problem. I see why they are angry and I feel for them. if I was in a wedding business, i would see happy people all the time. being angry is not a problem. not being able to admit that you are angry, or not being able to tell the difference between build-up anger and "being cynical" is a problem.

toymaker, I am here because I am always on a hunt for new scammers. and I enjoy the challenge of being on forums like this. after all, where else can you enjoy such a great company of finest minds of the male species? ;)

elenag

10-03-2005, 06:36 PM

bypass the important issues? I kind of thought I addressed "the important issue" in my previous post... what other important isues did I bypass? I am stratching my head here.

scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.

by the way, if several people tell you you are an angry man, you might want to at least get a third opinion from an independent party! :D i personally see angry men all the time. nothing to be surpised at given that I deal mainly with scam victims. and just because I think they are angry does not mean that I am the one with the problem. I see why they are angry and I feel for them. if I was in a wedding business, i would see happy people all the time. being angry is not a problem. not being able to admit that you are angry, or not being able to tell the difference between build-up anger and "being cynical" is a problem.

toymaker, I am here because I am always on a hunt for new scammers. and I enjoy the challenge of being on forums like this. after all, where else can you enjoy such a great company of finest minds of the male species? ;)

toymaker

10-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Thank you Elena I take that as a compliment. I also saw anger but maybe a more careful explanation of the problem would lead to a truer understanding . No offence to anyone but all comments should be accepted as a comment not a "JAB" at a persons personallity or nationality. I have lived with oppression as a METIS man but would not force my views on anyone because of thier geneology. We cannot help to whom or when we were born and we should not be chastised for the sin of not being born in thier country. Elena cannot help what some other "lady" has done to a person and is NOT ot be held responsible. I apologize Elena for my friends on this forum.

toymaker

10-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Thank you Elena I take that as a compliment. I also saw anger but maybe a more careful explanation of the problem would lead to a truer understanding . No offence to anyone but all comments should be accepted as a comment not a "JAB" at a persons personallity or nationality. I have lived with oppression as a METIS man but would not force my views on anyone because of thier geneology. We cannot help to whom or when we were born and we should not be chastised for the sin of not being born in thier country. Elena cannot help what some other "lady" has done to a person and is NOT ot be held responsible. I apologize Elena for my friends on this forum.

elenag

10-03-2005, 08:27 PM

wow, toymaker. that was nice. :)

but do not worry about me, i can take a little heat from those two. :D i do appreciate what you said, though.

elenag

10-03-2005, 08:27 PM

wow, toymaker. that was nice. :)

but do not worry about me, i can take a little heat from those two. :D i do appreciate what you said, though.

Sonar

10-03-2005, 10:20 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.

Well ElenaG,lets just say more than 6. Three were very beautiful, sweet and loving women. Not a scammer bone in their body. (Damn, I should have married one of them). Three more were also very beautiful but more interested in money than anything else. There were also a few short-timers along the way but I won't get into that.
My present girl is from Moscow.
By the way, you mentioned that you are always on the hunt for scammers. Why is that?? Just curious.

Sonar

10-03-2005, 10:20 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

scam magnet, how many Russian ladies have you got to know in real life? just give me the number.

sonar, the same question to you. you said, you had several.

Well ElenaG,lets just say more than 6. Three were very beautiful, sweet and loving women. Not a scammer bone in their body. (Damn, I should have married one of them). Three more were also very beautiful but more interested in money than anything else. There were also a few short-timers along the way but I won't get into that.
My present girl is from Moscow.
By the way, you mentioned that you are always on the hunt for scammers. Why is that?? Just curious.

toymaker

10-03-2005, 11:12 PM

no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

toymaker

10-03-2005, 11:12 PM

no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

Sonar

10-04-2005, 12:12 AM

quote:Originally posted by toymaker

no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

That is pretty funny. I wonder what is your estimate as to how many are actually looking for the BUCK?? As far as protection goes&gt; give me a break man. Protection from what?? Some mousy internet scammer?? What the hell is a scam hunter anyway??

Sonar

10-04-2005, 12:12 AM

quote:Originally posted by toymaker

no doubt Elena is a scammer hunter to show that not all FSU women are looking for the BUCK. She has undoubtedly save a few skins on here and will continue her vigil to protect you and me as well as the newcomers that find thier way to this forum.

That is pretty funny. I wonder what is your estimate as to how many are actually looking for the BUCK?? As far as protection goes&gt; give me a break man. Protection from what?? Some mousy internet scammer?? What the hell is a scam hunter anyway??

nick20045

10-04-2005, 12:55 AM

i have to say, yes, what is a scam hunter? personally i think this forum has taken a U turn and totally moved away from what it was originally made for. namely to discuss and help each other from possible being scammed. learn from each others experience and mistakes.

want to be a scam hunter? dead easy....... open a few profiles on free dating sites. post a lot of rubbish. like you are 5ft 1, built like a brick house, bald and whatever BUT MAKE SURE you say live in England, USA, Australia or something like that.

heck! i have even had letters saying that liked my profile and my profile had nothing in it!!!!!

but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.

but most of all, are the members on here looking for an eastern bride? or are the members on here "would be sherlock holmes"?

i have about 6 ladies i write to. one i met last week.

i will be honest, we DID have a couple of arguments. namely, according to her, she works on the basis of "cannot leave work until it is finished" and she can be called in on saturdays and sundays as well. i saw her bring work to her apartment to finish. she did it so that she could leave work early, we can go out and when i go to sleep she will do the work ready for the next day to take with her. yeah, according to what she said she has a very good salary (for a russian. she earns about US$350 a month). but hells bells, she works hard for it. i saw her still working at 3 am! and she had to go to work at 8 am!

i have met her family. great folks. met them twice. once invited to their home. nice spread of food (i said to Nadya that i like to try russian food. her mother must have cooked for at least two days and it was all russian food). to reciprocate, we invited them out for a meal. nobody forced me to do that. her dad kept on insisting he will drive me from Yaroslavl to Moscow just in case i get lost going back on the train by myself. at average speed that is 6 hours to moscow and 6 hours back driving. i thanked him but politely said no. he insisted he gives me his "going away" army watch as a present. he also was going to give me some books from his army time. but i said no. they were momentoes and i could not take them.

is an eastern girl worth it? maybe yes. maybe no. time tells is the old proverb. but if you have a woman who after you meet her, is prepared to wait for you for 2, 3 or 4 months, before you see her again, think about it!

you meet her. she falls in love with you. she tells you that she will be home every evening waiting in case you call her. she changes her life to wait for you.

as far as i can understand it, they look at it as if you are in the services and have to go away on duty.

how many western women will do that after just meeting somebody for say 2 weeks? yeah she may say she loves you. will she be faithful? maybe for the first week. after that......

so what do i wish to say? chill out guys. either be a sherlock holmes or try and find a decent woman. use your head. think. read her letter two three four times. most probably she uses an online translator. translators make mistakes. look at different variants to what she wrote. (try reading william shakespeare and learn how to read a story). if you do not understand anything ask her to explain. do not assume. assume is actually three words. ass you me. if you assume you make an ass of you and me. understand english is not her first language. i have walked into shops and asked if she speaks english. i get told "a little". then i get "hmmmmmm da da hmmmmmmmm niet hmmmmmm. ok. then she flaps her hands, and says DA?"

try patience. you speak english. she is trying to talk to you. maybe she has learnt a little bit of english. maybe using a translator. anybody on here ever wrote a letter back to a russian in russian? i have. (not Nadya but somebody else I write to). simple reason. she could not work out how to use a translator. she writes to me in russian. i translate it. then i write back to her in russian using a translator.

chill out guys. if you use your head you will not be scammed and maybe find a nice lady. unless you have a 9mm next to your head, if you part with your money, it is because you wanted to.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 12:55 AM

i have to say, yes, what is a scam hunter? personally i think this forum has taken a U turn and totally moved away from what it was originally made for. namely to discuss and help each other from possible being scammed. learn from each others experience and mistakes.

want to be a scam hunter? dead easy....... open a few profiles on free dating sites. post a lot of rubbish. like you are 5ft 1, built like a brick house, bald and whatever BUT MAKE SURE you say live in England, USA, Australia or something like that.

heck! i have even had letters saying that liked my profile and my profile had nothing in it!!!!!

but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.

but most of all, are the members on here looking for an eastern bride? or are the members on here "would be sherlock holmes"?

i have about 6 ladies i write to. one i met last week.

i will be honest, we DID have a couple of arguments. namely, according to her, she works on the basis of "cannot leave work until it is finished" and she can be called in on saturdays and sundays as well. i saw her bring work to her apartment to finish. she did it so that she could leave work early, we can go out and when i go to sleep she will do the work ready for the next day to take with her. yeah, according to what she said she has a very good salary (for a russian. she earns about US$350 a month). but hells bells, she works hard for it. i saw her still working at 3 am! and she had to go to work at 8 am!

i have met her family. great folks. met them twice. once invited to their home. nice spread of food (i said to Nadya that i like to try russian food. her mother must have cooked for at least two days and it was all russian food). to reciprocate, we invited them out for a meal. nobody forced me to do that. her dad kept on insisting he will drive me from Yaroslavl to Moscow just in case i get lost going back on the train by myself. at average speed that is 6 hours to moscow and 6 hours back driving. i thanked him but politely said no. he insisted he gives me his "going away" army watch as a present. he also was going to give me some books from his army time. but i said no. they were momentoes and i could not take them.

is an eastern girl worth it? maybe yes. maybe no. time tells is the old proverb. but if you have a woman who after you meet her, is prepared to wait for you for 2, 3 or 4 months, before you see her again, think about it!

you meet her. she falls in love with you. she tells you that she will be home every evening waiting in case you call her. she changes her life to wait for you.

as far as i can understand it, they look at it as if you are in the services and have to go away on duty.

how many western women will do that after just meeting somebody for say 2 weeks? yeah she may say she loves you. will she be faithful? maybe for the first week. after that......

so what do i wish to say? chill out guys. either be a sherlock holmes or try and find a decent woman. use your head. think. read her letter two three four times. most probably she uses an online translator. translators make mistakes. look at different variants to what she wrote. (try reading william shakespeare and learn how to read a story). if you do not understand anything ask her to explain. do not assume. assume is actually three words. ass you me. if you assume you make an ass of you and me. understand english is not her first language. i have walked into shops and asked if she speaks english. i get told "a little". then i get "hmmmmmm da da hmmmmmmmm niet hmmmmmm. ok. then she flaps her hands, and says DA?"

try patience. you speak english. she is trying to talk to you. maybe she has learnt a little bit of english. maybe using a translator. anybody on here ever wrote a letter back to a russian in russian? i have. (not Nadya but somebody else I write to). simple reason. she could not work out how to use a translator. she writes to me in russian. i translate it. then i write back to her in russian using a translator.

chill out guys. if you use your head you will not be scammed and maybe find a nice lady. unless you have a 9mm next to your head, if you part with your money, it is because you wanted to.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 06:21 PM

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D

quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight. :D

elenag

10-04-2005, 06:21 PM

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D

quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight. :D

Sonar

10-04-2005, 07:01 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D
You must have a very busy life. Where do you go to actively seek out scammers? All that I have to do is post a profile somewhere and they actively seek me out.

Sonar

10-04-2005, 07:01 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D
You must have a very busy life. Where do you go to actively seek out scammers? All that I have to do is post a profile somewhere and they actively seek me out.

elenag

10-04-2005, 07:08 PM

most of the time I do not have to go out to seek them, since the scammer reports are sent to my email address by dozens.

But I realize that online chat rooms like this is where you have a good chance of meeting someone who is currently in the process of being scammed. That is good because:
1) I can stay on top of the most current scam tendencies
2) instead of "I have been scammed!" report you can later publish "I almost got scammed" report. :) That is a nice thing. the less profitable I make it for scammers, the less people (hopefully) will get involved in the scam industry.
3) you can help the guy to play mind games with the scammers and extract as much info out of them as possible. I trully hope the prosecution of scammers is possible and once some officials in both countries will get enough complaints, the tide will start turning against the scammers. that's when I hope all that information will become handy.

In general, I meet plenty of people who are in the process of being scammed (I have free scammer evaluation tools on my web site, so lots of folks write to me saying: "OMG!!! I just found out the girl I am writing to is a scammer! Thank you so much, you saved my life! I was falling for her, she sounded so sincere, I thougt I found a true soulmate, we seemed to me made for each other! (yeah, right...:D looking at their scammers' letters I can't help sometimes but think that only a 6-years old whos mental abilitiy was crippled by a severe case of spermotoxicosis could fall for THAT)".

So, i don't have to come out to look for scammers, but I find it amuzing, plus as I said, not a dull moment on these forums (this one, RWG one, a couple more, but I don't visit those often), so why not.

elenag

10-04-2005, 07:08 PM

most of the time I do not have to go out to seek them, since the scammer reports are sent to my email address by dozens.

But I realize that online chat rooms like this is where you have a good chance of meeting someone who is currently in the process of being scammed. That is good because:
1) I can stay on top of the most current scam tendencies
2) instead of "I have been scammed!" report you can later publish "I almost got scammed" report. :) That is a nice thing. the less profitable I make it for scammers, the less people (hopefully) will get involved in the scam industry.
3) you can help the guy to play mind games with the scammers and extract as much info out of them as possible. I trully hope the prosecution of scammers is possible and once some officials in both countries will get enough complaints, the tide will start turning against the scammers. that's when I hope all that information will become handy.

In general, I meet plenty of people who are in the process of being scammed (I have free scammer evaluation tools on my web site, so lots of folks write to me saying: "OMG!!! I just found out the girl I am writing to is a scammer! Thank you so much, you saved my life! I was falling for her, she sounded so sincere, I thougt I found a true soulmate, we seemed to me made for each other! (yeah, right...:D looking at their scammers' letters I can't help sometimes but think that only a 6-years old whos mental abilitiy was crippled by a severe case of spermotoxicosis could fall for THAT)".

So, i don't have to come out to look for scammers, but I find it amuzing, plus as I said, not a dull moment on these forums (this one, RWG one, a couple more, but I don't visit those often), so why not.

nick20045

10-04-2005, 07:53 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D

quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight. :D

scam hunter? to me, sorry to say, it is ridiculous. i will tell you why......

i have read profiles of people reported as scammers. some fair enough are scammers. others i find ridiculous. give you an example which comes to mind....

woman with a child. she asked for help with internet costs. (i used internet cafe when in russia. it was about 3 roubles for a minute. i could run a bill of 200 roubles in one session). at 28 roubles to the dollar that is about 7 dollars. for a person who may be a single parent and on minimum income that is a fair price considering average wage seems to be in the region of 100 - 150 dollars a month. (you have to consider that some people may take a long time writing a letter. first she has to answer what is said to her. then she has to think of something to add. then have to translate using most probably an online translator and if her typing is not so good this can take time).

the person who reported her said he sent her US$20 and she did not write back to him.

jeeezzzzz wept man! US$20! first of all it will cost about the same in western union fees. secondly, if i was a single parent and wanted to find a person to possible get married to and sends me US$20 i will take it as an insult. come on! look at it. what future can a person forsee with such a mean person who only sends US$20! lets see a scenario.....

married came to live in say USA or UK.

dear John. I need a new dress she says

you bought one two years ago he replies! :D:D:D

and, anybody not got anything better to do then to try and "trick" people to see if they are scammers or not?

so elenag, you post as a man trying to catch women? :D:D

personally, if i had a wife, i would rather have her cuddling up to me, maybe watching tv, or a film or something then have her on the internet trying to be a detective.

question: why is somebody who came to live in london (UK) at the age of 29, is married, with children and seeking a relationship with another man?

answer: she used the man she married to get a visa and come over

question: will i touch her with a barge pole

answer: heck NO

cuteonly.com Natasha2005 profile now removed. sent me same letters as Maria Pavlova. same templates. word for word.

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1214

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1213

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1212

if some woman writes to me and she turns out to be a scammer fair enough. but wasting my time, literally writing to people, posing as a man to try and see if the person is a scammer or not! sorry but to me that is a sad life.

can work out if a scammer or not in about 3 or 4 letters. for example:

profile. http://www.faceparty.com/ba_ba_ba_badone

that is my profile on there. it is just a daft stupid profile to have a laugh.

if i get some woman writing to me saying she read my profile and liked it and wants to have a serious relationship with me........ yep a scammer. a decent woman will run a mile if she reads that profile. LOL.

i have other profiles on other boards. some are just empty. just a name and age.

i get a letter on there asking me to write because she liked my profile! take a wild guess what she is. :D

personally i have not been fleeced by scammers. i HAVE sent money. but i did it out of my own will. anybody who asked me for money and i did not want to i said no.

but this thing, posting........

i have caught another scammer!!!

ok, report her on the proper section. now why are you bragging about it? and all these posts, wondering..... is she. is she not. why?

take it easy. chill out. write a few letters. you always have the chance of backing out and not writing to her again. its not like she lives round the corner!!!!

and most of all, do not write as a desperate man seeking love. if a woman feels this she will fleece you.

personally, i love reading their letters. some i find hilarious and actually look forward to the next letter. if i like the girl, i write. if i do not like her, i block her e mails and they just go to the deleted folder.

if i find somebody i EEALLY like, then ok, i check her location (using a program i have on the pc). i check if she is using the bat. if she is using internet or home pc. but most of all, i use my head and think twice.

and never fall in love until you at least meet her face to face.

but wasting my time, chasing scammers. hell no.

ohhhh and here is a letter i got today. i was laughing my head off reading it. (sorry weird sense of humour). i think this one is bleeding lovely:

Hello Nick,

Tell you abaut me - i am XXXXXX live in XXXXXXXXX. I have 2 sisters and 1 mather. I havnt father :(. I am manadger in transport company but 15 oktober i go out from there and will be find another work. I like ice - cream and shokolate. I dont like to go in bar or club. I like pikninks and play tennis. In my life i dont be in another contries :(.
About my dreams- i wont to meet men hwu love me and hwu i wiil have lovd alweis an we live tigether in qwiet place.

My negative line of the nature - i am very jealous, and i dont wont to love men hwu very love money - more then life.

I foget yet i love to eat pizza

Sorry for my bad english and i very wont continju to tolk with you

p.s. i wrote back to her begging she will NEVER use a translator. :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 07:53 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I think scam hunter is someone who goes and activly seeks out scammers, and the tries to make other people aware of their scams, I guess. I don't know. :D

quote:but scammer hunting? i reported 3 profiles. they are on this board but not on russian detective. reported to russian detective but no action taken.
you did? which scammers? I want to make sure I have them (drop me a PM if you do not wish to talk here).

I am taking about 1 week break from working on scammer profiles. got brain fry on them last week. but I am missing them already, it is a classic love-hate relationship I guess, I am planning to go back to my scam mining shaft tonight. :D

scam hunter? to me, sorry to say, it is ridiculous. i will tell you why......

i have read profiles of people reported as scammers. some fair enough are scammers. others i find ridiculous. give you an example which comes to mind....

woman with a child. she asked for help with internet costs. (i used internet cafe when in russia. it was about 3 roubles for a minute. i could run a bill of 200 roubles in one session). at 28 roubles to the dollar that is about 7 dollars. for a person who may be a single parent and on minimum income that is a fair price considering average wage seems to be in the region of 100 - 150 dollars a month. (you have to consider that some people may take a long time writing a letter. first she has to answer what is said to her. then she has to think of something to add. then have to translate using most probably an online translator and if her typing is not so good this can take time).

the person who reported her said he sent her US$20 and she did not write back to him.

jeeezzzzz wept man! US$20! first of all it will cost about the same in western union fees. secondly, if i was a single parent and wanted to find a person to possible get married to and sends me US$20 i will take it as an insult. come on! look at it. what future can a person forsee with such a mean person who only sends US$20! lets see a scenario.....

married came to live in say USA or UK.

dear John. I need a new dress she says

you bought one two years ago he replies! :D:D:D

and, anybody not got anything better to do then to try and "trick" people to see if they are scammers or not?

so elenag, you post as a man trying to catch women? :D:D

personally, if i had a wife, i would rather have her cuddling up to me, maybe watching tv, or a film or something then have her on the internet trying to be a detective.

question: why is somebody who came to live in london (UK) at the age of 29, is married, with children and seeking a relationship with another man?

answer: she used the man she married to get a visa and come over

question: will i touch her with a barge pole

answer: heck NO

cuteonly.com Natasha2005 profile now removed. sent me same letters as Maria Pavlova. same templates. word for word.

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1214

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1213

http://www.stop-scammers.com/scammer.asp?profile=1212

if some woman writes to me and she turns out to be a scammer fair enough. but wasting my time, literally writing to people, posing as a man to try and see if the person is a scammer or not! sorry but to me that is a sad life.

can work out if a scammer or not in about 3 or 4 letters. for example:

profile. http://www.faceparty.com/ba_ba_ba_badone

that is my profile on there. it is just a daft stupid profile to have a laugh.

if i get some woman writing to me saying she read my profile and liked it and wants to have a serious relationship with me........ yep a scammer. a decent woman will run a mile if she reads that profile. LOL.

i have other profiles on other boards. some are just empty. just a name and age.

i get a letter on there asking me to write because she liked my profile! take a wild guess what she is. :D

personally i have not been fleeced by scammers. i HAVE sent money. but i did it out of my own will. anybody who asked me for money and i did not want to i said no.

but this thing, posting........

i have caught another scammer!!!

ok, report her on the proper section. now why are you bragging about it? and all these posts, wondering..... is she. is she not. why?

take it easy. chill out. write a few letters. you always have the chance of backing out and not writing to her again. its not like she lives round the corner!!!!

and most of all, do not write as a desperate man seeking love. if a woman feels this she will fleece you.

personally, i love reading their letters. some i find hilarious and actually look forward to the next letter. if i like the girl, i write. if i do not like her, i block her e mails and they just go to the deleted folder.

if i find somebody i EEALLY like, then ok, i check her location (using a program i have on the pc). i check if she is using the bat. if she is using internet or home pc. but most of all, i use my head and think twice.

and never fall in love until you at least meet her face to face.

but wasting my time, chasing scammers. hell no.

ohhhh and here is a letter i got today. i was laughing my head off reading it. (sorry weird sense of humour). i think this one is bleeding lovely:

Hello Nick,

Tell you abaut me - i am XXXXXX live in XXXXXXXXX. I have 2 sisters and 1 mather. I havnt father :(. I am manadger in transport company but 15 oktober i go out from there and will be find another work. I like ice - cream and shokolate. I dont like to go in bar or club. I like pikninks and play tennis. In my life i dont be in another contries :(.
About my dreams- i wont to meet men hwu love me and hwu i wiil have lovd alweis an we live tigether in qwiet place.

My negative line of the nature - i am very jealous, and i dont wont to love men hwu very love money - more then life.

I foget yet i love to eat pizza

Sorry for my bad english and i very wont continju to tolk with you

p.s. i wrote back to her begging she will NEVER use a translator. :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 08:01 PM

I never posed as a man in my life! :D

In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

elenag

10-04-2005, 08:01 PM

I never posed as a man in my life! :D

In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

nick20045

10-04-2005, 08:08 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I never posed as a man in my life! :D

In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

hmmmmmm never heard that name before. Olga. i wonder. must be a very rare name. Olga. :D:D:D:D:D i have heard of maria, masha, inna, marina, alla, alena, elena, tatyana, yulenka, svetlana and loads of other names but Olga is kind of new name to me. :D:D

lol, you try to trace an Olga in Russia, you need to check out one in ever 3 women living there!!!!! walk into a pub. shout Olga and half the women in that pub will turn thinking you have called her!!!! LOL

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 08:08 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I never posed as a man in my life! :D

In fact, I don't even post any profiles anywhere. (yet somehow I do get "I am Olga from Russia, I liked your profile" messages on my "office @ r-d" email address!)

hmmmmmm never heard that name before. Olga. i wonder. must be a very rare name. Olga. :D:D:D:D:D i have heard of maria, masha, inna, marina, alla, alena, elena, tatyana, yulenka, svetlana and loads of other names but Olga is kind of new name to me. :D:D

lol, you try to trace an Olga in Russia, you need to check out one in ever 3 women living there!!!!! walk into a pub. shout Olga and half the women in that pub will turn thinking you have called her!!!! LOL

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Sonar

10-04-2005, 08:50 PM

Source:CBS NEWS:He says his job as a Moscow gumshoe is right out of the movies. His name is Vladimir, an undercover detective hunting down Russian women who bill themselves online as brides. As CBS News Correspondent Thalia Assuras reports, their prey is American men.

"They suck out $3,000 to $5,000, then simply disappear," he says.

"It's become almost like an industry," says Russian detective Elena Garrett.

The above are the first few lines of an article that I found somewhere on the web. I found it interesting and pasted the entire report on another site awhile back. Is that you miss elenag?

Sonar

10-04-2005, 08:50 PM

Source:CBS NEWS:He says his job as a Moscow gumshoe is right out of the movies. His name is Vladimir, an undercover detective hunting down Russian women who bill themselves online as brides. As CBS News Correspondent Thalia Assuras reports, their prey is American men.

"They suck out $3,000 to $5,000, then simply disappear," he says.

"It's become almost like an industry," says Russian detective Elena Garrett.

The above are the first few lines of an article that I found somewhere on the web. I found it interesting and pasted the entire report on another site awhile back. Is that you miss elenag?

elenag

10-04-2005, 08:58 PM

Yes.
Is it still on the internet? It was many months ago. Where did you find it, I was looking for a link to that report the other day!
And they (CBS) put me down as a "Russian detective". I am actually not a detective myself, and never was.
Then Current Affairs did the same thing (saying I am a detective). Just to make it clear to averyone - I am NOT a PI. I just hire them, when necessary.

elenag

10-04-2005, 08:58 PM

Yes.
Is it still on the internet? It was many months ago. Where did you find it, I was looking for a link to that report the other day!
And they (CBS) put me down as a "Russian detective". I am actually not a detective myself, and never was.
Then Current Affairs did the same thing (saying I am a detective). Just to make it clear to averyone - I am NOT a PI. I just hire them, when necessary.

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:03 PM

i am somewhat confused.

is Elena Garrett really Vladimir? is Vladimir posing as Elena Garrett? is Vladimir a gumshoe? is Elena Garrett a gumshoe? who on earth is Vladimir?

and is the board not called Russian detective? and that article is racist. what about UK men? or the ones from OZZYland? (canadians do not count. they have too much money. :D:D:D)

where is my vodka!!!!! :D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:03 PM

i am somewhat confused.

is Elena Garrett really Vladimir? is Vladimir posing as Elena Garrett? is Vladimir a gumshoe? is Elena Garrett a gumshoe? who on earth is Vladimir?

and is the board not called Russian detective? and that article is racist. what about UK men? or the ones from OZZYland? (canadians do not count. they have too much money. :D:D:D)

where is my vodka!!!!! :D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:28 PM

Nick,

didn't you have enough vodka in that Russian bar for a while? I suggest you go easy on that stuff, or next thing we know you will start signing all your posts "Na zdorov'e!" (sort of "cheers" in Russian)

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:28 PM

Nick,

didn't you have enough vodka in that Russian bar for a while? I suggest you go easy on that stuff, or next thing we know you will start signing all your posts "Na zdorov'e!" (sort of "cheers" in Russian)

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:35 PM

whey hey!!!!!

another russian word. thanks. i will add it to my collection. up to now i have:

da, niet, dasfidanja, borsh (made me ill), pernini (i love them), the barman told me a word but i do not think i should post it on an open board (kinda rude word :D) and now i have Na zdorov'e

anyway, elenag, i am a man who when i make a promise i keep it. i promised Nadya i will not drink vodka. so i cannot drink it as i have to keep a promise.

tonight i am on whiskey :D:D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:35 PM

whey hey!!!!!

another russian word. thanks. i will add it to my collection. up to now i have:

da, niet, dasfidanja, borsh (made me ill), pernini (i love them), the barman told me a word but i do not think i should post it on an open board (kinda rude word :D) and now i have Na zdorov'e

anyway, elenag, i am a man who when i make a promise i keep it. i promised Nadya i will not drink vodka. so i cannot drink it as i have to keep a promise.

tonight i am on whiskey :D:D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:40 PM

I am just shaking my head here....

BTW, everyone I know (westerners) can't get enough of pelmeni. My husband could kil for a plate of those. You know, you can fry them, too? Even better that way.

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:40 PM

I am just shaking my head here....

BTW, everyone I know (westerners) can't get enough of pelmeni. My husband could kil for a plate of those. You know, you can fry them, too? Even better that way.

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:52 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I am just shaking my head here....

BTW, everyone I know (westerners) can't get enough of pelmeni. My husband could kil for a plate of those. You know, you can fry them, too? Even better that way.

ohhhh i thought it was pernini. oops. pelmeni. had them with fish and meat. also in a soup and with creamy sauce. funny thing though.....

in the hotel they had a menu in russian and one in english. (yeah.... online translator stuff but at least can understand part of it). pelmeni was on the russian menu and not on the english menu. i only found about them cos i was giving the barmaid a headache while drinking a beer (she could only speak broken english so a converstion about anything could take 20 minutes :D). well anyway, cut a long story short, she learnt about me liking to try russian food and ordered me some. that shut me up for about 15 minutes. :D:D

dont understand what you mean about shaking your head. have you just washed your hair? :D usually a hair dryer works better.

or is it, shaking your head to make the hair flow in the air. kind of sexily?

if by any chance you are shaking your head because you give up on me, please dont. i gave up on myself about 20 years ago. :D my mother gave up on me about 30 years ago!

how can you explain to somebody how i was supposed to be in moscow for 2 days, (kind of "test the ground") then vyborg for 7 days (meet up with a girl called Irina) and finished in Yaroslavl engaged to a girl called Nadya!!

hey! next week i am off to Malta. i wonder what chaos i will create there. :D:D but this one i planned to the "T". her name is Elena and she arrives 1 hour after i land there. so i cannot go wrong and she leaves 1 hour before i leave. hotel is booked. transfers is no problem as i have a hired car.

now the only one got to solve is which girl do i kiss when they start coming off the arrival lounge. knowing my luck i will kiss the wrong one and get slapped. :D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 09:52 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

I am just shaking my head here....

BTW, everyone I know (westerners) can't get enough of pelmeni. My husband could kil for a plate of those. You know, you can fry them, too? Even better that way.

ohhhh i thought it was pernini. oops. pelmeni. had them with fish and meat. also in a soup and with creamy sauce. funny thing though.....

in the hotel they had a menu in russian and one in english. (yeah.... online translator stuff but at least can understand part of it). pelmeni was on the russian menu and not on the english menu. i only found about them cos i was giving the barmaid a headache while drinking a beer (she could only speak broken english so a converstion about anything could take 20 minutes :D). well anyway, cut a long story short, she learnt about me liking to try russian food and ordered me some. that shut me up for about 15 minutes. :D:D

dont understand what you mean about shaking your head. have you just washed your hair? :D usually a hair dryer works better.

or is it, shaking your head to make the hair flow in the air. kind of sexily?

if by any chance you are shaking your head because you give up on me, please dont. i gave up on myself about 20 years ago. :D my mother gave up on me about 30 years ago!

how can you explain to somebody how i was supposed to be in moscow for 2 days, (kind of "test the ground") then vyborg for 7 days (meet up with a girl called Irina) and finished in Yaroslavl engaged to a girl called Nadya!!

hey! next week i am off to Malta. i wonder what chaos i will create there. :D:D but this one i planned to the "T". her name is Elena and she arrives 1 hour after i land there. so i cannot go wrong and she leaves 1 hour before i leave. hotel is booked. transfers is no problem as i have a hired car.

now the only one got to solve is which girl do i kiss when they start coming off the arrival lounge. knowing my luck i will kiss the wrong one and get slapped. :D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:59 PM

as long as you stay out of Massachusetts, I can only wish you to have a great trip. :D

P.S. does it mean that we will be deprived of your company for while ? Ohhh... that's... really too bad :D How long did you say your trip was going to be?

elenag

10-04-2005, 09:59 PM

as long as you stay out of Massachusetts, I can only wish you to have a great trip. :D

P.S. does it mean that we will be deprived of your company for while ? Ohhh... that's... really too bad :D How long did you say your trip was going to be?

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:10 PM

aint got no chance of me coming to good old usa. sorry. IF i was to ever go to USA it will be somewhere down south. do not like places like new york, washington, and the such.

how long am i going to be? one week. (that is one week of 24 hour pubs). will you miss me? heck no. i like to make people suffer. it is called use internet cafes. :D:D:D elena is 33 so by my reckoning, most probably she will be asleep by about 11:00pm.

what is good about being daft and mad and not winding some people up!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:10 PM

aint got no chance of me coming to good old usa. sorry. IF i was to ever go to USA it will be somewhere down south. do not like places like new york, washington, and the such.

how long am i going to be? one week. (that is one week of 24 hour pubs). will you miss me? heck no. i like to make people suffer. it is called use internet cafes. :D:D:D elena is 33 so by my reckoning, most probably she will be asleep by about 11:00pm.

what is good about being daft and mad and not winding some people up!!!

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:21 PM

I have an idea. I have a Russian girl from New Orleans. She is blond, makes awsome pelmeni and can tell you all the best vodka manufacturers in Russia by hear. Best of all, she has heard of you and now she can't wait to be introduced in person.

I can get you a cheap ticket to New Orleans right from Malta. It's pretty south. What do you say?;)

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:21 PM

I have an idea. I have a Russian girl from New Orleans. She is blond, makes awsome pelmeni and can tell you all the best vodka manufacturers in Russia by hear. Best of all, she has heard of you and now she can't wait to be introduced in person.

I can get you a cheap ticket to New Orleans right from Malta. It's pretty south. What do you say?;)

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:28 PM

tell her she can have a ticket. wait in the queue. i think the next ticket number is 57. at the moment i am meeting holder of ticket number 21. :D:D:D

she must not be taller then 5ft 7in. blonde hair is nothing. hair can easily be dyed. not to skinny (otherwise will call her spaghetta), not to fat. must have great legs and a cute bum. if bust is 3 or 4 all the better. (at the moment kind of skint money wise. cannot afford and plastic surgery so sorry, bust 1 have to take a ticket starting from number 100 :D:D (tickets from 100 upwards are for what are basically "reserve" or in short, if i become desperate):D:D

ticket from Malta to New Orleans. nice one. you made one mistake though......

i was born in malta. i lived in malta most of my life and i worked in travel agencies there. i also worked at the airport and i fly to malta between 5 to 8 times a year. and there are no flights to anywhere in the states from there. :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:28 PM

tell her she can have a ticket. wait in the queue. i think the next ticket number is 57. at the moment i am meeting holder of ticket number 21. :D:D:D

she must not be taller then 5ft 7in. blonde hair is nothing. hair can easily be dyed. not to skinny (otherwise will call her spaghetta), not to fat. must have great legs and a cute bum. if bust is 3 or 4 all the better. (at the moment kind of skint money wise. cannot afford and plastic surgery so sorry, bust 1 have to take a ticket starting from number 100 :D:D (tickets from 100 upwards are for what are basically "reserve" or in short, if i become desperate):D:D

ticket from Malta to New Orleans. nice one. you made one mistake though......

i was born in malta. i lived in malta most of my life and i worked in travel agencies there. i also worked at the airport and i fly to malta between 5 to 8 times a year. and there are no flights to anywhere in the states from there. :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:32 PM

damn...:(

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:32 PM

damn...:(

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:35 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

damn...:(

i am SHOCKED!!!

language please. there are ladies on this forum :D:D:D
p.s. why do you think i am meeting elena in malta? dead easy. it is a country i know like the back of my hand. when i play, i play by my rules. i know she can get a visa to malta. (i have phoned the malta embassy to check if her documents are all ok and have been told she should get a visa). i know the country. i know the restaurants. i know which pubs to go to........i also can speak the lingo :D:D i might be mad and a senile delinquent but i am not stupid. ;);)

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:35 PM

quote:Originally posted by elenag

damn...:(

i am SHOCKED!!!

language please. there are ladies on this forum :D:D:D
p.s. why do you think i am meeting elena in malta? dead easy. it is a country i know like the back of my hand. when i play, i play by my rules. i know she can get a visa to malta. (i have phoned the malta embassy to check if her documents are all ok and have been told she should get a visa). i know the country. i know the restaurants. i know which pubs to go to........i also can speak the lingo :D:D i might be mad and a senile delinquent but i am not stupid. ;);)

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:40 PM

quote:Originally posted by nick20045

quote:Originally posted by elenag

damn...:(

i am SHOCKED!!!

language please. there are ladies on this forum :D:D:D

Shoot! Well, excuse my French...:D

elenag

10-04-2005, 10:40 PM

quote:Originally posted by nick20045

quote:Originally posted by elenag

damn...:(

i am SHOCKED!!!

language please. there are ladies on this forum :D:D:D

Shoot! Well, excuse my French...:D

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:47 PM

darn!

i had just hit the button "quote" so that what you said will be in the quote but you edited your reply just in time.[8D][8D]

oh well......

nope..... i was referring to Vladimir :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:47 PM

darn!

i had just hit the button "quote" so that what you said will be in the quote but you edited your reply just in time.[8D][8D]

oh well......

nope..... i was referring to Vladimir :D:D:D

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:49 PM

now i am off to finish the letter to olga. man! this woman has knockers to die for :D:D;) great body as well.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-04-2005, 10:49 PM

now i am off to finish the letter to olga. man! this woman has knockers to die for :D:D;) great body as well.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Sonar

10-04-2005, 11:41 PM

Man you guys are hoggin' my entire monitor screen.
Anyway elenag here is the link.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/14/eveningnews/main688311.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
What the hell is a gumshoe anyway???
Na Zdorov'e

Sonar

10-04-2005, 11:41 PM

Man you guys are hoggin' my entire monitor screen.
Anyway elenag here is the link.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/14/eveningnews/main688311.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
What the hell is a gumshoe anyway???
Na Zdorov'e

elenag

10-04-2005, 11:56 PM

Sonar, thanks, that was nice of you.
I have no idea, I guess it means "private investigator".

elenag

10-04-2005, 11:56 PM

Sonar, thanks, that was nice of you.
I have no idea, I guess it means "private investigator".

nick20045

10-05-2005, 12:09 AM

a gumshoe is a private eye. term used a lot in the days of dick maloy, scarface capone and the such. well it was used a lot in the days where the safest place to be in good old usa was "out of the bleeding country" :D:D:D

now the term used is either private eye (written PI) or private dick

usually it depends on how much of a pain in the backside a person can be. if he just does the job he is a PI. if he is a nuisance in the process then he is a private dick.

most private twats (i had one investigating me when i was getting divorced. darn he was stupid. he caught me with one having an affair. never caught on to number 2 and 3!!! just cos they see a person with another girl they think "my job is done") have to be licenced. but some are not. also there are laws about what video tape they can produce, what is acceptable or not.

actually there are ways you can sue a private dick. for example.....

you may not have a conversation recorded unless you give permission to do so. (unless there is a warrant from a court authorising it).hence if a PI records you without your consent you can sue him/her for infringing on your rights without your consent. if your girlfriend/wife/partner authorised it, it means nothing. you have to give permission.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

nick20045

10-05-2005, 12:09 AM

a gumshoe is a private eye. term used a lot in the days of dick maloy, scarface capone and the such. well it was used a lot in the days where the safest place to be in good old usa was "out of the bleeding country" :D:D:D

now the term used is either private eye (written PI) or private dick

usually it depends on how much of a pain in the backside a person can be. if he just does the job he is a PI. if he is a nuisance in the process then he is a private dick.

most private twats (i had one investigating me when i was getting divorced. darn he was stupid. he caught me with one having an affair. never caught on to number 2 and 3!!! just cos they see a person with another girl they think "my job is done") have to be licenced. but some are not. also there are laws about what video tape they can produce, what is acceptable or not.

actually there are ways you can sue a private dick. for example.....

you may not have a conversation recorded unless you give permission to do so. (unless there is a warrant from a court authorising it).hence if a PI records you without your consent you can sue him/her for infringing on your rights without your consent. if your girlfriend/wife/partner authorised it, it means nothing. you have to give permission.

to all russian scammers: i am somewhat of a bullshi*ter myself but i do like to listen to a professional. please carry on

Dutchy013

10-05-2005, 02:29 PM

I did not read all the inputs.
In general I agree with Nick.
I have met a few women from Ukraine, Russia and Moldova, before meeting this nice woman from Ukraine. Have been there a number of times and she visited me once. All women I have met, were decent, kind and taking care of you.
Family loves you, hugs you till you are out of air (Nick), they do not speak English, but welcomes you into the family and makes you feel at home.
In general I think they have their priorities more in order as we do.
I cannot wait to go back again, traveling in Ukrain, Russia and Moldova is like an adventure, I always travel alone, taking plane, buses and trains, I love the trains.
When I am with my girlfriend she will not let me take the local bus by myself, she is afraid I get lost!!!! :)
Of course I hav encountered a few scammers in the net, but you recognise them easily, THEY ASK FOR MONEY!!

Dutchy013

10-05-2005, 02:29 PM

I did not read all the inputs.
In general I agree with Nick.
I have met a few women from Ukraine, Russia and Moldova, before meeting this nice woman from Ukraine. Have been there a number of times and she visited me once. All women I have met, were decent, kind and taking care of you.
Family loves you, hugs you till you are out of air (Nick), they do not speak English, but welcomes you into the family and makes you feel at home.
In general I think they have their priorities more in order as we do.
I cannot wait to go back again, traveling in Ukrain, Russia and Moldova is like an adventure, I always travel alone, taking plane, buses and trains, I love the trains.
When I am with my girlfriend she will not let me take the local bus by myself, she is afraid I get lost!!!! :)
Of course I hav encountered a few scammers in the net, but you recognise them easily, THEY ASK FOR MONEY!!