Kolbe: Has that had some detrimental effects on what comes out of Congress?

Goldwater: Yes. See, we have no treaty with Israel, but we have pledged ourselves to go to war if she has to go to war. And there are some of the actions that some of the Israeli groups take that, at times, I’ve felt would hasten that day when we have to live up to our promise. I can understand the feeling, but I’m getting awfully tired of the great influence they have and there’s no question about it.

Keep reading — there’s a lot more of interest in Goldwater’s interview with John Kolbe.

Antiwar conservatives sometimes feel abashed about connecting their views today with those of Cold War conservatives like Goldwater. Both neoconservatives and all too many libertarians have treated Cold War conservatism as continuous with today’s bellicose Right. Yet in fact, a lot of the classic Cold Warriors had been against intervention in World War II before Pearl Harbor, they came to take a less confrontational line against the Soviets over time, and there is good reason to think they would ultimately have followed a trajectory similar to that of other prominent conservatives now over the age of 60 who have been outspokenly critical of the “global war on terror.” Note, for example, what Goldwater tells Kolbe about the state of the Evil Empire in 1986:

Kolbe: I was rereading parts of “The Conscience of a Conservative” (Goldwater’s first book, published in 1960) last night, and was reminded that you took a very dim view of even dealing with the Communists. Have you moderated at all since then in your view of the aims of Communism, and how we should deal with it?

Goldwater: I think you could say I’ve changed a little bit there. Let me try to explain it, because it might not be easy. I don’t believe Russia wants any war with the United States, and I’m sure the United States doesn’t want any war with Russia. Russia’s economy is in terrible shape.

Now what can happen from that? When you have a government controlled by a handful of people, the Politburo, and the economy of the country is not good, and young people are beginning to say, ”Why is it in the United States they can work less than a day and buy a pair of shoes, and I have to work two or three weeks?” They’re beginning to question why we can have two or three TV sets, and they can barely afford one.

Now, you let that unhappiness with the economy in a totalitarian state go far enough . . . If it’s not corrected, there’ll be a revolution. I think that’s a bigger factor in Gorbachev’s thinking than whether we have arms control or SDI or whatnot. Where have I changed? I think it would be worthwhile at some meeting of the president and Gorbachev, or whoever he might be, to explore the idea of maybe we can help. Once you help a people who are having a hard time, you do pretty good with it.

By the end of the Reagan era, old-guard conservatives like Goldwater were not rattling sabers at Moscow. The neoconservatives, on the other hand, burned hotter than ever, taking shots at Reagan for his velvet-glove diplomacy. Younger cons — including the second-generation neos — were also more warlike than their elders, perhaps for the same reason that young men in the years after a hot war are often militaristic: they may have felt they were losing the chance to earn the glories their fathers had earned. Long after someone like James Burnham had ceased to envision a “Third World War,” parlor strategists insisted the great Red juggernaut was as mighty as ever and rolling inexorably forward. Goldwater, by contrast, as the quote above shows, had a pretty clear idea of how the USSR would meet its demise, and how soon.

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Goldwater was on the money here. The only caveat I have is that when a centrally planned economy and society is going bust it’s better not to help them. They really needed a revolution in the USSR but instead the Communist Party thugs were able to control the privatization process and take all the choice plums themselves. The thing about the Soviets was that although they absolutely despotic internally, they were never a military threat and the tens of trillions of our stolen tax monies to support Pentagon Socialism was money down the drain. Which we could sorely use now in our parlous economic straits.
On the Israeli Lobby Goldwater was on the money there too though it must be said that he often signed those “70 Senators” letters back in the 70s but I’m glad he wised up.

I would like to observe that, as a life-long conservative, I have been amazed, appalled and dismayed by the ever-increasing grip that Jewish neocons, AIPAC, zealous Zionists, and other pro-Israel elements have had on American institutions, be they media, political entities, foreign policy or the general public. In short, a tiny, and from time-to-time virulently anti-American nation has essentially hijacked the American political structure.

It is an absolute and easily-proven fact that 9/11 was the successful culmination of Arab and Muslim “asymmetrical warfare” against the insuperable juggernaut of Israel/America. For the love of us all, PLEASE, somebody just ask an Arab. You get lunatics (mind you, I am a 65-year-old conservative) like Limbaugh and Beck doing gymnastics to avoid stating the truth: i.e., the Arab/Muslims hate us because we help Israel. Period. There may be literally tons of new additional elements to the Muslim war against the West, but it was the creation of Israel in 1946, the unending and colossal support the US has given this new state and the present unconscionable machinizations of Israel which have brought the holy war down upon the West.

The media is desperate to lie to, and deceive us about this verity. But it is still there, no matter how we obfuscate To state this is by no means a declaration of anti-semitism or “anti-Isrealism”—it is simply and soley an attempt to expose a truth which will never see the light of day, in my prediction. Obama, albeit an anti-American, communist, and otherwise contemptibly-incompetent pretender, is right about our historic role v.a.v. Israel and the Arabs.

This is why no true patriotic Reaganite conservative in their right mind would ever even atempt to identify with the leftist Bary Goldwater. Thanks to Mr. Goldwater we have a bunch of liberal Ron Paul supporters running around trying to sell it to everyone that they are the real conservatives.

Similar remarks can be found in Mr. Goldwater’s second memoir “Goldwater”, co-written with Jack Casserly, and published by St. Martin’s Press in 1988. The remarks can be found on page 21.

Goldwater wrote:

“I was never put under greater pressure than by the Israeli lobby, nor has the Senate as a whole. It’s the most influential crowd in Congress and America by far. The Israelis can come up with fifty votes or more on almost any bill in the Senate that affects their interests. They went to extraordinary lengths to get me to vote for them, even sending some of my dearest and closest Arizona friends, like Harry Rosenzweig, to lobby me in Washington.

“The Israelis never raised the fact of my being half Jewish, but they stressed protecting Israel in the event of war. I told them over and over, ‘Without a treaty, we’ve already promised to go to war to protect Israel. And the United States is not getting all that much out of the deal. I think Israel is doing pretty well. I don’t worry about Israel when I go to sleep at night. I worry about the U.S. Constitution, which I’ve sworn to uphold–not Israel’s constitution, not that of Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, or anybody else in the Middle East or the world.’

“That usually shut them up, but they often went away mad because I was not about to support everything they wanted.”

The context of these remarks is a larger discussion of lobbying in general which began on page 20.

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Koran 9:28
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

Goldwater was right. We should have cut them loose decades ago, or at least told their stateside agents to sit down and shut up. Instead nearly everybody humored the poor little supplicants and went away humming the theme music from “Exodus”. 40 years later the poor little supplicants have turned into a really nasty gang of full-fledged thugs with effective control of a critical part of our foreign policy.

The consequences for us have already been catastrophic and promise to get far worse. Getting them out of our government and domestic politics is a top priority.

As an issue, the Israel Lobby is at roughly the same point that illegal immigration was about 10 years ago, and the two are also similar in having powerful constituencies in the political and business establishments that maintain the status quo by collusion.

The Lobby issue is also similar to illegal immigration in that it is no longer owned and operated by cranks. Those who are professionally concerned with the consequences of what the Lobby has done are increasingly on the same page. Academics, policy makers, intelligence, military officers, law enforcement, even sectors of the business community all know that it’s a huge problem that has already had disastrous consequences. It has yet to reach the phase of widespread public discussion.

Illegal immigration has only just started to make traction, but already Congress is running scared and the media thought police don’t seem to have their heart in it anymore. Just imagine what it will be like when the Israel Lobby starts getting the kind of daily, weekly exposure and frank discussion that illegal immigration has only achieved in the past year or two. It’s going to happen. Be sure of it. Just keep the discussion going, say your prayers, and vote right this Nov. 2nd.

I bet there aren't any references in the Old Testament or the New Testament condemning Muslims. Nor is there any word in the Old Testament condemning Christians, nor any word in the New Testament condemning Jews. As I recall, any failure to believe in Jesus Christ and accept his beliefs would merely result in denying the disbeliever a place in Heaven. As I recall from an old Woody Allen movie (from his funny phase), he was shocked to find his father in one of the circles of Hell, since "Jews don't believe in Hell."

koran 2.191-And fight those(who fight you) wheresoever you find them, and expel them from the place they had turned you out from. Oppression is worse than killing, do not fight by holy mosque unless they fight you there, if they do ,then slay them.Such is the requittal for unbeleivers.

koran 3.85-And whoever seeks a way other than submission to God,it will not beaccecpted from him. -Please read the endorsement of Moses and Jesus and the messages from them in koran 3 84.

koran 9.123- O believers ,fight the unbelievers around you,and let them realiseyou are firm: Remenber ,God is with those who are pious` and obedient to him.

koran 5 .33-The punsihemnt for those who wage war against God and His prophet and perpetrate disorder in the land , is to kill or hang them…Koran 5 34-But thosewho repent before they are subdued should know that God is forgiving and kind.

koran-8.61-But if they are inclined for peace, make peace with them,and have trust in god.

Now go and read Koran, the verses , before and after that you quoted again.

Thanks Mr Eddie Richards for geeting me interested to read the Koran . ( I dont get the reason he put these out on this thread .This article is about the control of Israeli agents over US)

In Koran 9 .28 this is what I found- ” O believers,the idolators are unclean.So they should not approach the Holy Mosque after this year….” – no mention of Jews or Christians in this verse.

Koran 22.19 This verse , after reading it seems clear this is the punishment God has promised for the disbelievers in the judgement day. It is not for muslim to mete out .

Koran 47.4-“So when you clash with the unbelievers,smite their neck until you overpower them, then hold them in bondage.Then either free them graciously or after taking a ransom, until war shall have come to an end.”

Koran 8 .12-“And the Lord said to the angels”I am with you:go and strengthen the faithful. I shall fill the hearts of infidels with terror. To smite them on their necks and every joint”

Verse 9.5 is interesting . you have to read preceding 4 .

Lets read verse 9 4-:Except those idolators with whom you have a treaty,who have not failed you in the least,nor helped anyone against you. Fullfill your obligation to them during the term (of the treaty). God loves those who take heed for themselves”

lets look at 9.6-If an idolator seeks protection,then give him asylum that he may hear the word of God.Then escort him to a place of safety,for they are people who do not know.

Most of us are mentally trapped to think Jewish. Actually, it is safe to say that virtually every mainstream publication or or other type of media organ is “nothing more than a screen to present chosen views.” The great battle over the last century has been a battle for the mind of the Western peoples, i.e., non-Jewish Euros. The chosen won it by acquiring control over essentially the complete mainstream news, information, education and entertainment media of every type, and using that control to infuse and disseminate their message, agenda and worldview, their way of thinking, or rather the way they want us to think. Since at least the 1960s this campaign has been effectively complete. Since then they have shaped and controlled the minds of all but a seeming few of us in varying degree with almost no opposition or competition from any alternative worldview. So now most of us are mentally trapped in the box the chosen have made for us, which we have lived in all our lives. Only a few have managed to avoid it or escape it, or to even sometimes see outside of it, and so actually “think outside of the (Jewish) box.”

The Norwegian Ministry of Finance has excluded two Israeli companies and one Malaysian company from the portfolio of the Government Pension Fund Global (GPFG), The Council on Ethics emphasises that the construction of settlements in occupied areas is a violation of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.

“The Council on Ethics bases its recommendation on the fact that the international community is united in the view that the area east of the 1967 line is occupied territory and as such comes under the purview of the fourth Geneva Convention. Several United Nations Security Council resolutions and an International Court of Justice advisory opinion have concluded that the construction of Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory is prohibited under this Convention.”

The U.S.people are the only country in the dark when it comes to Israel. The rest of the world laughs at the U.S.people being controlled by the 2%. China is raising and the U.S. is becoming weak in the “new normal”. The world no longer respects the U.S. Israel is scared. From a demographic standpoint, they will disappear. Their big brother is getting weak. 90% of the Jews in America(less in Israel) are leftists and practice what they preach(abortion and homosexuality) so they are dying out from their own decisions. The same goes for shipping the industries overseas and leaving the poor Americans to compete with those immigrants from the southern borders.

We Norse are rich(blue eyed Arabs when it comes to oil/gas) and the UN says that we are number one.

Lars the Viking: “The U.S.people are the only country in the dark when it comes to Israel. The rest of the world laughs at the U.S.people being controlled by the 2%.”

Perhaps it used to be like that. But from my experience, the Zionist mafia is very busy trying to acquire the same kind of influence in Europe, it now has in the US. The fast growing anti-immigration movement in Europe is being morphed into an anti-islamic movement, while the sponsors are using the justifiable resentment against the millions of Muslim invaders, to direct hate towards Muslims in general, and Muslim states in particular. Information on who is responsible for most of the legislation and propaganda which made mass immigration possible, no matter how well documented, is usually not welcomed in these circles, where Israel often is openly worshipped to the point of nausea. While demanding acknowledging of facts and insisting on rational thought when dealing with their political correct enemies, they are immediately ready to forget about all reason and fact when it comes to Israel.

Even the leftists seem to become more and more silent about the Israeli policies towards the Palestinians.

The media too (in Denmark) seem to have become much less critical of US/Israel policies the later years. And by the way; even though the percentage of Jews in Denmark is only about one 1/10 of the American percentage, (US 2% – Denmark less than 0.2%), their overrepresentation in prominent positions in the media is amazingly visible for those who know. For decades the chief of an important news department of the most important TV station (usually seen as left wing) is a former leader of the Danish Zionist Council.