old skool...watched Frank Zane win his first Olympia....agree without a doubt....BOYER COE....had great arms (split biceps) and legs but no cells in his abs....and remember genetically great abs can make you look more cut than you really are....case in point my old training partner Mohammed Makkawy

Trained in Toronto with Mohammed and then would sometimes go to Gironda's one month prior to Mohammeds big shows. Vince would be outside waiting for us at 6am and scream at us if it was 6:01! Also trained with Gladys Portuguese for her Olympia attempt in Montreal, as her routines were done by Gironda . That was one of the very few pro shows Vince actually attended. Gironda was a genius, an eccentric, a maniac, an originator who questioned existing training and nutrition .I feel honored to have known the man.

what's your take on vince's don't do squats or deadlifts? i'm a very hardgainer and natural... how else am i supposed to get big? squats have given me a kinda big butt. 40.5 inch hips and only 41 inch chest/back. my weakness is chest/back.

Didnt agree with Vinces NO SQUATTING policy...he made us do tons of sissy squats which made your legs scream but truly believe busting your ass at the squat rack is the only way too get big. Vince made us do wide grip DIPS, chin down, elbows forward, for our chest instead of benching and I truly agree with this. Bench press is a shitty pec developer. Some of his stuff was way ahead of its time. Remember, we did not have access to all the machines and supplements there are today. Your talking 22 years ago!

i can squat 225 for 8 reps. that's pretty good i guess because i weigh 187 but my LBW is 159. my legs are my strong point. i have 17.5 inch calves... that's just the way they are. i dont work them. i can develop legs with legpress too. but i also tend to feel my butt doing those. vince recomended that front squat but i can never do that. i've tried and it hurts like crazy... i have bad shoulders from bench pressing wrong in high school and from playing handball too. my back and chest totally suck. deadlifts have helped me put size on it recently and wide grip pull ups too since i'm narrow. if i stop the deadlifts i dont know how i'll get size on my back. vince says deadlifts give you wide hips... that's my dilema. i wanna get thick and wide but if my butt grows at the same time i'll have women proportions.

Think hip width is more bone structure related than muscle. Hell, look at Colemans ass and his hips dont look wide! LOL! Vince strived for an "X" frame that was achieved from delt width, small waist, and good outside thigh sweep ( hence the sissies and hack squats). He thought big hips and a big ass detracted form this X frame.

Trained in Toronto with Mohammed and then would sometimes go to Gironda's one month prior to Mohammeds big shows. Vince would be outside waiting for us at 6am and scream at us if it was 6:01! Also trained with Gladys Portuguese for her Olympia attempt in Montreal, as her routines were done by Gironda . That was one of the very few pro shows Vince actually attended. Gironda was a genius, an eccentric, a maniac, an originator who questioned existing training and nutrition .I feel honored to have known the man.

Makkawy ever talk of Vince getting him ready for the 1982 Night of the Champions in New York City?