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I'm almost at the point where I am ready to call MSG and tell them to cancel my tickets and refund my money, and then sell all of my rangers memorabilia..

"....have different views of the world." Translation: "I am not going to ask Toronto, NYR, Philly, Boston, Montreal, and Vancouver to support Columbus, Florida, and Phoenix."

Was reading on another site where someone said according to the numbers the NHLPA said they could be giving up, they are proposing ~52.5%. I haven't done enough research to determine if that is acurate. If it is true, they are likely offering that with that hope they will wind up at 50%.

I'm almost at the point where I am ready to call MSG and tell them to cancel my tickets and refund my money, and then sell all of my rangers memorabilia..

"....have different views of the world." Translation: "I am not going to ask Toronto, NYR, Philly, Boston, Montreal, and Vancouver to support Columbus, Florida, and Phoenix."

Was reading on another site where someone said according to the numbers the NHLPA said they could be giving up, they are proposing ~52.5%. I haven't done enough research to determine if that is acurate. If it is true, they are likely offering that with that hope they will wind up at 50%.

I do not care who caves first I just need my hockey, I love the Giants aswell but I cannot go another year without the NHL I will go nuts. So hopefully this is true about the PA giving in.

I'm almost at the point where I am ready to call MSG and tell them to cancel my tickets and refund my money, and then sell all of my rangers memorabilia..

"....have different views of the world." Translation: "I am not going to ask Toronto, NYR, Philly, Boston, Montreal, and Vancouver to support Columbus, Florida, and Phoenix."

Was reading on another site where someone said according to the numbers the NHLPA said they could be giving up, they are proposing ~52.5%. I haven't done enough research to determine if that is acurate. If it is true, they are likely offering that with that hope they will wind up at 50%.

They're proposing 52.5% initially but it goes up to 57% by Year 4. But again, this is an initial offer. The key move the union has to make is to threaten to decertify - that's what'll get the owners actually negotiating.

They're proposing 52.5% initially but it goes up to 57% by Year 4. But again, this is an initial offer. The key move the union has to make is to threaten to decertify - that's what'll get the owners actually negotiating.

Will decertification REALLY mean anything? With the NFL, it seemed like that was just a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo that didn't really mean anything.

Will decertification REALLY mean anything? With the NFL, it seemed like that was just a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo that didn't really mean anything.

Absolutely. They did it in the NBA as well. Without unions, there's no collective bargaining, and without that, all of the little rules the NHL has come up with go bye-bye. There's an argument that it's not even in the players' best interest to have a union. But once the union threatens to decertify, the owners will actually move to make a deal that resembles a compromise instead of the Judge Smails negotiation.

Absolutely. They did it in the NBA as well. Without unions, there's no collective bargaining, and without that, all of the little rules the NHL has come up with go bye-bye. There's an argument that it's not even in the players' best interest to have a union. But once the union threatens to decertify, the owners will actually move to make a deal that resembles a compromise instead of the Judge Smails negotiation.

I understand, and I didn't follow the NBA's process. But, IIRC, the NFLPA decertified, they kept negotiating anyway, and when they reached an agreement the union re-certified. So, let's say the NHLPA decertifies and the owners still don't budge. Then what happens? The owners don't have to open the doors for the season to start.

I understand, and I didn't follow the NBA's process. But, IIRC, the NFLPA decertified, they kept negotiating anyway, and when they reached an agreement the union re-certified. So, let's say the NHLPA decertifies and the owners still don't budge. Then what happens? The owners don't have to open the doors for the season to start.

I had forgotten this part of it - the NFLPA sued the NFL for antitrust violations, of which there are a gazillion. The NHL doesn't have specific antitrust exemption, but that's what the entire league is founded on and how the teams in the big markets stand to make so much money.

I had forgotten this part of it - the NFLPA sued the NFL for antitrust violations, of which there are a gazillion. The NHL doesn't have specific antitrust exemption, but that's what the entire league is founded on and how the teams in the big markets stand to make so much money.

Only baseball has an antitrust exeption, which arises out of a series of highly critcized Supreme Court cases.

All professional sports leagues can only operate with antitrust violations. What do you think the draft is?

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Just lock the involved parties in a room with food and water (no bathroom of course ), and tell them to have a deal in 7 days otherwise sharks with freaking laser beams attached their heads will be throw into the room with a huge amount of water...

maybe the owners, NHL, and players can realize the impacts beyond them? we have already seen paycuts by team on staffs, jobs will be lost, and local businesses will lose a ton of business. the league will also lose a ton of fans because people are tired of bickering billionaires and millionaires.

maybe the owners, NHL, and players can realize the impacts beyond them? we have already seen paycuts by team on staffs, jobs will be lost, and local businesses will lose a ton of business. the league will also lose a ton of fans because people are tired of bickering billionaires and millionaires.

you talk about screwing the pooch . . . . 8M and they wait for the last second. Should have taken care of it last year. Very disappointed. MAY drop the season tickets, will return in dribs and drabs. . . .shame if it ends this way

maybe the owners, NHL, and players can realize the impacts beyond them? we have already seen paycuts by team on staffs, jobs will be lost, and local businesses will lose a ton of business. the league will also lose a ton of fans because people are tired of bickering billionaires and millionaires.

The league didn't lose many fans last time, they didn't lose many the time before, and they're counting on the fact that they won't lose many fans this time, and they'll end up being right. They don't care about team staffs, local businesses, or anyone else.

Bettman makes less than the best players in the league. Presumably he's more valuable to the owners, although I guess they mostly pay him to be the guy that everyone hates - sort of ingenious, really.