weird reading you guys debate when I haven't even seen the movie yet. Sounds like the issues rest mainly on the script. I like Colin as the idea guy and producer but he may not be the right one to play a major part in the actual script. But we have to remember that creating a story to follow the previous films must be a difficult task. There aren't many paths for them to take without taking some leaps in logic. The low critic score does bother me and mostly because we now have to go through another cycle of people hating on a jp film and this franchise. People rely too much on reviews these days to decide what movie to watch and I just hope that it doesn't affect the American box office.

weird reading you guys debate when I haven't even seen the movie yet. Sounds like the issues rest mainly on the script. I like Colin as the idea guy and producer but he may not be the right one to play a major part in the actual script. But we have to remember that creating a story to follow the previous films must be a difficult task. There aren't many paths for them to take without taking some leaps in logic. The low critic score does bother me and mostly because we now have to go through another cycle of people hating on a jp film and this franchise. People rely too much on reviews these days to decide what movie to watch and I just hope that it doesn't affect the American box office.

This film was doomed to poor reviews as soon as it was announced. You could just tell from the tone of all of the media coverage that they were going to shit on this thing no matter what. I'm in the same boat as you in that I haven't seen it yet, and am trying to decipher what the supposed issues with the movie are going to look like and how they'll affect the film overall. Funny thing is I still have this overwhelming urge to defend it

At the end of the day, as long as the film is competently made and has dinosaurs messing shit up, it's probably good for at least a 7/10 from me, and I imagine that as long as other JP fans aren't going into this thing wanting it to fail, they'll enjoy it too.

If you liked Jurassic World, just know that this movie (regardless of flaws in the storytelling), has better writing in general with set up and payoffs, characters with purposeful roles in the narrative, better dialogue, better directing, and better visuals.

The music, although good, might not suit everyone because it's the least Jurassic Park sounding score so far.

The pacing is too fast and that might irk some people.

The film has lots of standout/iconic moments and has much more emotion.

The villains are perhaps too evil. They make Hoskins seem sane.

Owen and Blue's relationship actually means something in this film.

The editing is so good! Pay attention to the parallel editing in some of the emotional scenes and the auction scene, they keep the flow moving very nicely.

The original Jurassic Park had some reviews thst more or less said that it was ok but not great.

And now it is considered a classic that no one would dare to question. Same thing with Empire Strikes Back, critics and audiences said it was just ok but not great. And now ESB is almost considered a religious object.

Critics do not always dictate how a movie will be remembered with neither hardcore fans or the general public.

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The original Jurassic Park had some reviews thst more or less said that it was ok but not great.

And now it is considered a classic that no one would dare to question. Same thing with Empire Strikes Back, critics and audiences said it was just ok but not great. And now ESB is almost considered a religious object.

Critics do not always dictate how a movie will be remembered with neither hardcore fans or the general public.

And John Carpenter's The Thing. Now considered one of the best horror movies of all time. Was originally criticised.

Jurassic World is IMO standing the test of time very well. People still remember and talk about Chris Pratt dealing with the Raptors, the Mosasaurus eating the shark, even the high heels (as much as they're an annoying argument to me) are still being talked.

Hope it will be the case with Fallen Kingdom too. The film certainly has its iconic (and controversial) moments.

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I was instead thinking of the powerful use of Cricthon-esque themes in the movie, brought to a further (and maybe unexpected but totally logical if you think about it) level, and how that is used cleverly to make the final scenes (one in particular) much more intense and emotional, giving us a strong message about empathy towards these animals who were here before us and have the right to live, just like us.

You can complain about that little moment in the film, but it's like two pages of this thread only for that moment... seems a bit like nitpicking to me.

Seems like the reason some critics didn't like the movie, that they really stick to those details (they have the right to do that) but really forgetting how great the bigger picture is. They also seem to watch a movie only to find if there are plot holes, or non-logical scenes... and completely forgetting about going to a movie and at least try to enjoy it.

If in 1993 we were all like today, we would have hated the T-Rex vs Raptors scene because it's not logical that the humans could not see a T-Rex sneaking into the Visitor Center. Instead we just remember that scene as an awesome iconic moment.

Is it repeated again in FK? Yeah, it's not a "new" thing anymore, but it's a trademark of JP now. Why would they go to the island for 4-5 times? Isn't it repetitive? Maybe, but it's every time worth it.(or, well, maybe not every time, depends on which sequel did you like lol)

The themes and everything are interesting yes but the way things have been handled with the script and everything is just not satisfying for me. I'm not nitpicking, I really wanted to like this film. After the great opening sequence I thought it would be totally amazing but again with the bad writing, stupid characters, bad acting at times, inconistend CGI, bad pacing...I just felt disappointed and left the theather with at best mixed feelings.

Yet simply because of the 'bad writing' you put it in the same vicinity as Transformers? Yikes.

Seems like you are wearing another type of fan goggles ;-)

I've pointed out my reasons why I think that's total bollocks, though. Like I said, a film is more than one aspect and to generalise the whole thing because of 'lazy writing' is quite unfair.

Um even a lot of people that kinda liked FK are pointing out that the writing is lame and that the story is bollocks and makes no sense. And I have also pointed out more than one reason for why I think FK is only mediocre.So it's really not that far off.

The nitpicks you mentioned don't break the narrative so of course the movie makes sense.

That is quite simply not true and you know it. Take your goggles off as you would say. The plot convenience is strong with this one, the happenings of Isla Sorna once again not properly explained onscreen leaves most viewers scratching their heads because it leads to the obvious question of why the dinos need to be saved when there is another island full of them. Or why Lockwood didn't just suggest to have the dinos relocated to Isla Sorna instead of an entirely new island.

Spoiler:

Also how did they catch the T-rex when she is running in the direction of the cliff and with the ashcloud closing in, beside the fact that Owen should have passed out when the ashcloud caught on to him. The movie is unfortunately full of deux-ex-machina moments that do not make a lot of sens and constantly save the protagonists.

If there is one thing that all the reviews have in common whether they are negative or positive it's that they all point out the weak script with it's corny dialogue, cartoonish villains and just overall ridiculous story.Deny it all you want but that's how it is.

I was instead thinking of the powerful use of Cricthon-esque themes in the movie, brought to a further (and maybe unexpected but totally logical if you think about it) level, and how that is used cleverly to make the final scenes (one in particular) much more intense and emotional, giving us a strong message about empathy towards these animals who were here before us and have the right to live, just like us.

You can complain about that little moment in the film, but it's like two pages of this thread only for that moment... seems a bit like nitpicking to me.

Seems like the reason some critics didn't like the movie, that they really stick to those details (they have the right to do that) but really forgetting how great the bigger picture is. They also seem to watch a movie only to find if there are plot holes, or non-logical scenes... and completely forgetting about going to a movie and at least try to enjoy it.

If in 1993 we were all like today, we would have hated the T-Rex vs Raptors scene because it's not logical that the humans could not see a T-Rex sneaking into the Visitor Center. Instead we just remember that scene as an awesome iconic moment.

Is it repeated again in FK? Yeah, it's not a "new" thing anymore, but it's a trademark of JP now. Why would they go to the island for 4-5 times? Isn't it repetitive? Maybe, but it's every time worth it.(or, well, maybe not every time, depends on which sequel did you like lol)

The themes and everything are interesting yes but the way things have been handled with the script and everything is just not satisfying for me. I'm not nitpicking, I really wanted to like this film. After the great opening sequence I thought it would be totally amazing but again with the bad writing, stupid characters, bad acting at times, inconistend CGI, bad pacing...I just felt disappointed and left the theather with at best mixed feelings.

Yet simply because of the 'bad writing' you put it in the same vicinity as Transformers? Yikes.

Seems like you are wearing another type of fan goggles ;-)

I've pointed out my reasons why I think that's total bollocks, though. Like I said, a film is more than one aspect and to generalise the whole thing because of 'lazy writing' is quite unfair.

Um even a lot of people that kinda liked FK are pointing out that the writing is lame and that the story is bollocks and makes no sense. And I have also pointed out more than one reason for why I think FK is only mediocre.So it's really not that far off.

The nitpicks you mentioned don't break the narrative so of course the movie makes sense.

That is quite simply not true and you know it. Take your goggles off as you would say. The plot convenience is strong with this one, the happenings of Isla Sorna once again not properly explained onscreen leaves most viewers scratching their heads because it leads to the obvious question of why the dinos need to be saved when there is another island full of them. Or why Lockwood didn't just suggest to have the dinos relocated to Isla Sorna instead of an entirely new island.

Spoiler:

Also how did they catch the T-rex when she is running in the direction of the cliff and with the ashcloud closing in, beside the fact that Owen should have passed out when the ashcloud caught on to him. The movie is unfortunately full of deux-ex-machina moments that do not make a lot of sens and constantly save the protagonists.

If there is one thing that all the reviews have in common whether they are negative or positive it's that they all point out the weak script with it's corny dialogue, cartoonish villains and just overall ridiculous story.Deny it all you want but that's how it is.

So in this case, would you say TLW doesn't make sense because site B just miraculously appeared out of nowhere for the sake of the plot, just like how Sorna doesn't have Dinosaurs for the sake of the plot? Same shit really.

The music, although good, might not suit everyone because it's the least Jurassic Park sounding score so far.

I'm curious to see what you meant, Six Foot Turkey, when you say that the music is "the least Jurassic Park sounding score so far". How would you say it differs from a more traditional sounding JP score?

The music, although good, might not suit everyone because it's the least Jurassic Park sounding score so far.

I'm curious to see what you meant, Six Foot Turkey, when you say that the music is "the least Jurassic Park sounding score so far". How would you say it differs from a more traditional sounding JP score?

I'm waiting to get the CD

I'd say it sounds more old-fashioned horror. Something about the choirs brings the sense of chaos and the brass is much heavier. M<ore horns rather than trumpets etc.

However, the main them does get used in different ways and reminds me of this trilogies version of TLW theme. It's a great score, but it is very different sounding. I did notice some bongo/conga drums in there, too.

The choir, in particular, made me think of a mixture between Doctor Strange, Planet of the Apes, and Evil Dead

I was instead thinking of the powerful use of Cricthon-esque themes in the movie, brought to a further (and maybe unexpected but totally logical if you think about it) level, and how that is used cleverly to make the final scenes (one in particular) much more intense and emotional, giving us a strong message about empathy towards these animals who were here before us and have the right to live, just like us.

You can complain about that little moment in the film, but it's like two pages of this thread only for that moment... seems a bit like nitpicking to me.

Seems like the reason some critics didn't like the movie, that they really stick to those details (they have the right to do that) but really forgetting how great the bigger picture is. They also seem to watch a movie only to find if there are plot holes, or non-logical scenes... and completely forgetting about going to a movie and at least try to enjoy it.

If in 1993 we were all like today, we would have hated the T-Rex vs Raptors scene because it's not logical that the humans could not see a T-Rex sneaking into the Visitor Center. Instead we just remember that scene as an awesome iconic moment.

Is it repeated again in FK? Yeah, it's not a "new" thing anymore, but it's a trademark of JP now. Why would they go to the island for 4-5 times? Isn't it repetitive? Maybe, but it's every time worth it.(or, well, maybe not every time, depends on which sequel did you like lol)

The themes and everything are interesting yes but the way things have been handled with the script and everything is just not satisfying for me. I'm not nitpicking, I really wanted to like this film. After the great opening sequence I thought it would be totally amazing but again with the bad writing, stupid characters, bad acting at times, inconistend CGI, bad pacing...I just felt disappointed and left the theather with at best mixed feelings.

Yet simply because of the 'bad writing' you put it in the same vicinity as Transformers? Yikes.

Seems like you are wearing another type of fan goggles ;-)

I've pointed out my reasons why I think that's total bollocks, though. Like I said, a film is more than one aspect and to generalise the whole thing because of 'lazy writing' is quite unfair.

Um even a lot of people that kinda liked FK are pointing out that the writing is lame and that the story is bollocks and makes no sense. And I have also pointed out more than one reason for why I think FK is only mediocre.So it's really not that far off.

The nitpicks you mentioned don't break the narrative so of course the movie makes sense.

That is quite simply not true and you know it. Take your goggles off as you would say. The plot convenience is strong with this one, the happenings of Isla Sorna once again not properly explained onscreen leaves most viewers scratching their heads because it leads to the obvious question of why the dinos need to be saved when there is another island full of them. Or why Lockwood didn't just suggest to have the dinos relocated to Isla Sorna instead of an entirely new island.

Spoiler:

Also how did they catch the T-rex when she is running in the direction of the cliff and with the ashcloud closing in, beside the fact that Owen should have passed out when the ashcloud caught on to him. The movie is unfortunately full of deux-ex-machina moments that do not make a lot of sens and constantly save the protagonists.

If there is one thing that all the reviews have in common whether they are negative or positive it's that they all point out the weak script with it's corny dialogue, cartoonish villains and just overall ridiculous story.Deny it all you want but that's how it is.

So in this case, would you say TLW doesn't make sense because site B just miraculously appeared out of nowhere for the sake of the plot, just like how Sorna doesn't have Dinosaurs for the sake of the plot? Same shit really.

Nonsense it's not the same at all. The events of TLW don't contradict anything in JP since the latter never said that the dinos were exclusively bred and raised on Nubar. But for Lockwood to have another island and not proposing Sorna as the sanctuary is just weird. A lot of viewers are wondering about that.

I'd say it sounds more old-fashioned horror. Something about the choirs brings the sense of chaos and the brass is much heavier. M<ore horns rather than trumpets etc.

However, the main them does get used in different ways and reminds me of this trilogies version of TLW theme. It's a great score, but it is very different sounding. I did notice some bongo/conga drums in there, too.

The choir, in particular, made me think of a mixture between Doctor Strange, Planet of the Apes, and Evil Dead

That's really interesting to hear. I was listening to all of the soundtracks yesterday and noticed how Giacchino's JW score did have a pretty different feel than Williams score. Would you say this score is more in line with the JW score, or its own beast entirely?

I'd say it sounds more old-fashioned horror. Something about the choirs brings the sense of chaos and the brass is much heavier. M<ore horns rather than trumpets etc.

However, the main them does get used in different ways and reminds me of this trilogies version of TLW theme. It's a great score, but it is very different sounding. I did notice some bongo/conga drums in there, too.

The choir, in particular, made me think of a mixture between Doctor Strange, Planet of the Apes, and Evil Dead

That's really interesting to hear. I was listening to all of the soundtracks yesterday and noticed how Giacchino's JW score did have a pretty different feel than Williams score. Would you say this score is more in line with the JW score, or its own beast entirely?

Can't we all assume that after listening to Amanda's Kirby's incessant screeching for 2 days the Sorna dinosaurs decided to walk into the sea?

Perfect!

hmmm, from what I recall from the movie, it sounds more like Jurassic World, but less whimsical feeling. I'd have to hear it isolated, though, because the soundtrack is actually quite low in volume in the film and can easily become drowned out. For example, there's this really cool version of Chasing the Dragons at the climax that sounds totally different, but you can barely hear it from all the sounds.

Can't wait to hear some specific tracks isolated. hopefully, he doesn't exclude any good ones this time. there were too many good tracks excluded from JW score.

hmmm, from what I recall from the movie, it sounds more like Jurassic World, but less whimsical feeling. I'd have to hear it isolated, though, because the soundtrack is actually quite low in volume in the film and can easily become drowned out. For example, there's this really cool version of Chasing the Dragons at the climax that sounds totally different, but you can barely hear it from all the sounds.

Can't wait to hear some specific tracks isolated. hopefully, he doesn't exclude any good ones this time. there were too many good tracks excluded from JW score.

Well, one of my issues with the JW score was that it did feel a bit too light and whimsical for my tastes, so I'm glad to hear this score in general has a darker feel to it.

And agreed fully about too many good tracks being left off of the JW soundtrack. I was quite annoyed when that little piece of music that accompanied the Gallimimus scene in JW wasn't on the main soundtrack.

Just saw something that bugged me lol. So i'm sitting here watching JP and a commercial about rexy comes on and her animatronic etc.

Man oh man i do like Chris Pratt, and i don't expect him to be a expert on anything. But i just saw an Ad that was really cringe worthy. It made me do a double take. They were talking about the films and "Rexy". They were literally showings scenes from all the movies as if if she was the same animal. Pratt clearly says "she's been in all 5 films" and Colin says "it's impressive she's still around" all while showing scenes from JP-FK. Unless i misheard him i'm pretty sure that's what they both said.

Like i get that alot of people don't know the difference but the ad was still really awful for a JP fan.