U.S. Civil War

Topic: U.S. Civil War

I'm interested in learning more about the U.S. Civil War. I have acquired a great appreciation for General Ulysses S. Grant the leader of the Union who The Lord of Hosts gave the victory to, who later became President Grant. All I know at the moment is from a book by Bill O'Reilly entitled "Killing Lincoln." This book really makes him look like a saint and I believe he is one. Anybody want to talk about the Civil War? Also, I had bought a statuette of a Civil War Union medic who was treating a confederate. I was drawn to it and bought it. Is there really such a thing as the Civil War romance?

January 12th, 2017

George

Any specific thing you're interested in? Most books cover the land war only. Lincoln was out to save the Union/country. If he could have done it w/o freeing the slaves he would have. He didn't actually free any slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation only cover the Confederates States. If you were a slave in the US you were still one until after the War ended & Lincoln was dead. Officially freed slaves were confiscated CS property that would then be property of the US Govt. He could have freed slaves in the US, but that would have disrupted the US economy & cost him votes in the 1864 election. He ignored the Supreme Court & jailed lesser Judges, Union troops destroyed printing presses of newspapers that published things he didn't like. He created a puppet Virginia State Govt. in Exile to "give" the Govt. "Permission" to create the State of West Virginia.

January 12th, 2017

LadyUSAFveteran

Where did you learn this from? I've never heard that before.

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January 12th, 2017

LadyUSAFveteran

Lincoln couldn't free the slaves until after the war ended, and he would had freed the slaves if he had lived. The poor man was assassinated and couldn't finish his job. President Grant had to heal the nation and continue Lincoln's vision.

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January 12th, 2017

LadyUSAFveteran

Don't you know that's why there was a war... because the South didn't want to free the slaves. The South had their own president, Jefferson Davis. Who taught you your propaganda against Lincoln?

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January 13th, 2017

LadyUSAFveteran

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Originally Posted by LadyUSAFveteran

Don't you know that's why there was a war... because the South didn't want to free the slaves. The South had their own president, Jefferson Davis. Who taught you your propaganda against Lincoln?

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I apologize for calling that propaganda, but the Union didn't like confederate sympathizers. I truly don't know much, except Grant was president after Johnson who didn't carry out Lincoln's vision. Another reason why I said propaganda is that I have an African-American friend who said Lincoln had slaves. Why isn't anybody saying anything good about Lincoln?

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January 13th, 2017

George

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Originally Posted by LadyUSAFveteran

Lincoln couldn't free the slaves until after the war ended, and he would had freed the slaves if he had lived. The poor man was assassinated and couldn't finish his job. President Grant had to heal the nation and continue Lincoln's vision.

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Constitutional Amendment to end slavery was defeated twice during the War w/o any Southern States in the Congress. E.P was a propaganda move to undermine CS economy & influence Europe. Official US Govt. position was the Southern states were still part of the US so the Govt can't legally take private property through an Executive Order, also prohibited to take territory from one State to create a new State w/o permission of the State. There was at least discussion of a State of East Tennessee, and maybe one out of Arkansas.

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Originally Posted by LadyUSAFveteran

Don't you know that's why there was a war... because the South didn't want to free the slaves. The South had their own president, Jefferson Davis. Who taught you your propaganda against Lincoln?

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South Carolina wanted out, taxes wasn't a good enough reason for other states to support S.C. in the 1830s, but the threat of Emancipation was sufficient reason in 1860, if not that, some other reason would have been found

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Originally Posted by LadyUSAFveteran

I apologize for calling that propaganda, but the Union didn't like confederate sympathizers. I truly don't know much, except Grant was president after Johnson who didn't carry out Lincoln's vision. Another reason why I said propaganda is that I have an African-American friend who said Lincoln had slaves. Why isn't anybody saying anything good about Lincoln?

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I don't think Lincoln had slaves, but relatives by marriage did. Johnson was a Democrat, so probably no surprise having a different vision.

January 14th, 2017

LadyUSAFveteran

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Originally Posted by George

Constitutional Amendment to end slavery was defeated twice during the War w/o any Southern States in the Congress. E.P was a propaganda move to undermine CS economy & influence Europe. Official US Govt. position was the Southern states were still part of the US so the Govt can't legally take private property through an Executive Order, also prohibited to take territory from one State to create a new State w/o permission of the State. There was at least discussion of a State of East Tennessee, and maybe one out of Arkansas.

South Carolina wanted out, taxes wasn't a good enough reason for other states to support S.C. in the 1830s, but the threat of Emancipation was sufficient reason in 1860, if not that, some other reason would have been found

I don't think Lincoln had slaves, but relatives by marriage did. Johnson was a Democrat, so probably no surprise having a different vision.

Thank you, George, for your response. I truly didn't know any of this. This was very enlightening.

January 14th, 2017

MontyB

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Originally Posted by George

Constitutional Amendment to end slavery was defeated twice during the War w/o any Southern States in the Congress. E.P was a propaganda move to undermine CS economy & influence Europe. Official US Govt. position was the Southern states were still part of the US so the Govt can't legally take private property through an Executive Order, also prohibited to take territory from one State to create a new State w/o permission of the State. There was at least discussion of a State of East Tennessee, and maybe one out of Arkansas.

I also understand Lincoln rescinded General David Hunters 1862 order to Emancipate slaves in South Carolina, Florida and Georgia due to fears of border states breaking away.

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The three States of Georgia, Florida and South Carolina, comprising the military department of the south, having deliberately declared themselves no longer under the protection of the United States of America, and having taken up arms against the said United States, it becomes a military necessity to declare them under martial law. This was accordingly done on the 25th day of April, 1862. Slavery and martial law in a free country are altogether incompatible; the persons in these three States — Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina— heretofore held as slaves, are therefore declared forever free.
— Maj. Gen. David Hunter, Department of the South, General Order No. 11, May 9, 1862

I remember seeing a sign about it in Georgia claiming to be the birthplace of emancipation, which amused me enough to remember it 15 years later.

January 16th, 2017

JOC

President Lincoln played the necessary politics to fight and win the war. He was also a man of conviction and knew slavery to be an injustice. The fact that the Emamicapation Proclamation held true only for the southern states is a mote point since some odd 99% of the slave were in the southern states.