if ffxiv has so many ppl that servers are locked for char creation and ppl are getting 1017 yet WoW doesnt have those problems does it mean SE has succeeded in dethroning the once mmo king in number of players/subscriptions?

WoW doesnt have those problems because there's a whole lot less communication between the player and the server as far as locations and actions go. FFXIV currently updates everything retardedly often, from movement accurate to single steps and milimeters even on the exact moment it happens, mostly due to the new red targeting grids it needs to calculate if it hits or misses. If you've ever played WoW, you should know characters there jump around like crazy on someone else's screen. Not from actual jumping, but more that the locations and movements dont get updated nearly as much. It's not all that important there anyhow to know exactly where someone is standing during combat.

So since there's less back-and-forth between the server on WoW, they can host a whole lot more people without problems. FFXIV on the other hand sends every little thing to the server, and due to that overload of communication cant really manage more than 5000 people without giving us some problems. Even with the new caps, the latency and stuttering (server-wise not graphic wise) is slowly increasing and influencing the game's quality.

I liked WoW, dont get me wrong. I just absolutely hated the immature community. I actually hope FFXIV stays small and DOESNT sap people away from WoW or similar games...

No, he's trolling. He's apparently ****** that he got a 1017 error at noon today. Either that or he's lying and just wants to perpetuate the login issue complaints, or he's just mad that he didn't get on the server he originally wanted because it's one of the two or three that are still restricted due to being the homes to some large internet communities.

No, he's trolling. He's apparently ****** that he got a 1017 error at noon today. Either that or he's lying and just wants to perpetuate the login issue complaints, or he's just mad that he didn't get on the server he originally wanted because it's one of the two or three that are still restricted due to being the homes to some large internet communities.

Or he doesn't even really play. Who knows.

I realize this, that's the point my sarcastic point about how pointless this thread is. Obviously FFX|V has not surpassed WoW or it would be pounding its chest and screaming it from the rooftops. I almost, ALMOST, said "Hey Admins, can we just stop certain people from making topics?"

if ffxiv has so many ppl that servers are locked for char creation and ppl are getting 1017 yet WoW doesnt have those problems does it mean SE has succeeded in dethroning the once mmo king in number of players/subscriptions?