>>152398153I don't know the cypher but if you look at the first sentence and count every two columns of moons as one character then it has the same number of characters as "A boy falls in love with a girl"

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>>152405175They're identical because we don't have all the runes yet. We re-used some runes to make a functioning alphabet because the text in episode 2 had none. IJ and UW are two examples of where we had to recycle due to a lack of material.

There's some runes that we'll likely never have because latin doesn't use those letter-sounds and they'll probably keep using jumbled lorem ipsum whenever they need moontext.

>>152405305>>152405285>this is actually from episode 2 of LWAWell, I'm an idiot. I haven't watched the episode yet, so I just assumed people were killing time until it dropped by taking the "moon runes" meme to new levels.

The lack of a HS release for a high profile anime like this threw me off.

>>152405432Basically.Solved for a couple two-letter words assuming roman alphabet, found a frequent pattern that stood out and guessed it was probably latin. Put the clues into google and let the machine do the rest.

The actual text just turned out to be jumbled lorem ipsum but it was enough for us to have am almost complete alphabet

>>152405965Yeah, but I mean method/rule how alphabet letter is transformed into a particular moonrune. Moonrunes have simple internal structure (4 moon characters on 6 places) so it is easy to assume there is something like that.

If you follow that pattern it works up until you hit J and K. After K however the pattern resumes again.

So if you treat the X's that you get from J and K as unknowns (say X_j and X_k) then you can figure out what they were supposed to be when the pattern resumes on L and M.and it comes out to this >>152407472 for J, and you can get K too, I'll post what I have for K in a sec.

Frequency Analysis was one of the ideas we had, but in practice it boiled down to other things.

Most importantly was the conjecture one Anon made that the alphabet was based on 2x3 matrices, and was actually garbled braille. While it wasn't actually braille, the 2x3 matrices stuck and we worked from there. Another anon transcribed all the matrices to letters, creating a coded language of garbled letters. Among them was one huge hint, a sequence called JOJ. I pointed out that it was possibly NON in latin, and from NON we could get NUNC and work from there. Then somebody took a decrypter from google, stuck in the words we thought we knew, and boom Lorem Ipsum.

Afterwards I used the translation as a Rosetta stone and made this first and very crude transcription, which is what the font was based off of.

>>152408234Not really, FA is more about analysing the text as a whole, not just guessing a keyword. If, for example, we were looking at it and noticed the conspicuous lack of three letters from the English Alphabet, we might have realized it was actually latin. But we didn't.

>>152408021Just a quick mockup to illustrate what's being said here.Moon phases move sequentially in this progression along the pair 3-layer columns that form a letter.To go from A to B, you simply move every moon phase over one position following this route. The moon phase in position 6 is dropped while a new moon phase, seemingly selected at random, is introduced in position 1.

>>152408306It is pretty much exactly the same technique. Looking at 3 letter words that could fit until you find a match. It's just a much cruder way of doing it. The explanation in >>152333367 is correct.

>>152408610I mean, I understand basic cryptography and I know what he's saying. But understanding that these things are segmented into words requires first realizing that the entire thing is based on 2x3 matrices. If FA boils down to one guess I made, you're giving me too much credit and the other faggots not enough.

>>152408689No, I see what you mean there is a lot more to it than that but guessing a word based on its frequency is ultimately what lead to a breakthrough otherwise it could just be gibberish forver.

The 2x3 matrices and Latin don't really seem that outstanding to me to guess. The Japanese managed to get to 2x3 matrices in their attempt too quite readily. Latin would have gotten tried eventually too if English was fruitless I think.

>>152408021Okay, so following this train of thought, I redrawed the parts that should be sure. The "random" x can be taken from the next letter, as >>152408117 did (I assumed, that A follows Z). I counted the "randoms", and turns out that two of them appears 5 times, the other two 6 times. So anyone, has any guess which should belong to K and which to Z?Sorry for bad england.

>>152409029>Assuming A follows ZWould work, we have the full alphabet!Also should we make sure that there are no repeating moon runes now that we have "made our own" just going by logic, you know, to check that it all fits.

It's obviously too blurry to realistically make out what's what, but apparently the books here have written text in moon runes. Maybe this was that something Tattun was talking about them translating with the cheat sheet?

So now when dust is settled what about designing and 3D printing analogous alphabet-moonrunes mapper device:

There are two loops, one with alphabet and second with those moonlets (like here >>152409029 ). The loop with moonlets is curved into window of 6 moonlets in this manner ( >>152408398 ). Sliding one alphabet character would slide one moonlet.

>only stood here reading anons posts without really being able to fully understand the methodsWhere did you people learned cryptography?The only experience in my life I had with it is with The Gold-Bug of Poe some years ago.

>>152409564The fact that the producer wouldn't give us the cheat sheet now must mean there are further texts coming up in the show and that they might actually contain relevant information in the future which will be fun to decode.

>>152409767Honestly this thread has been more pattern recognition rather than cryptography. It was only cryptography when the literal moonrunes where deciphered to lorem ipsum, and even that was basic Cryptography 101 stuff.

Frequency analysis on a substitution cypher for latin does not take very long. The frequency of letter usage across the entire lexicon shows 8 standouts that are easy to pick. Once you have the vowels and HRST, the gig is up.

>>152410440I don't know if that was exactly what he wrote, but I compared the length of the first maybe 10 words and concluded that there was no other block of text of similar length that someone would likely post on /a/ to meme-signal besides that copypasta. I did no actual decoding to reach that conclusion. A lot of the content on /a/ is so frequently regurgitated that I often wonder if it isn't posted by bots.

>>152410961>>152411039Yeah, I copied those from the A & M, actually. The ! is present in the S, too. I guess I could actually take off the top moon from all of those so they'd be obvious at a glance. (and shift the crescent from the ? to the middle)

>>152410670Maybe its like any other language the more you practice the more automatic distinction gets. Trying to identify kanji took me ages at first but now its at a glance or trying to tell the difference between シ and ツ was very difficult if not side by side for me in the beginning.

>>152411137I'm still suspicious there wasn't a 2nd layer encoding to the moonrunes.The randomized scrambling of lorem ipsum words has me suspicious. Why scramble them if they were going to be made into a code text anyways? Unless them being scrambled is part of the coding into moonrunes, and a proper decode would have the output in proper order.

>>152411202The sequenced alphabet is confirmed canon by >>152410557Even if that didn't exist, lorem ipsum is written on the blackboard of the anime using these characters. Using multiple methods mentioned in this thread (but done in previous threads days ago) we got the first iteration of the alphabet.