Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

"David Ortiz was extremely optimistic regarding his injured right Achilles tendon after conducting baserunning drills Monday, saying once again that he is targeting playing on Opening Day.

“It was a good day,” Ortiz told reporters in Fort Myers. “I was moving pretty good. I don’t think I can run faster than that. Let’s just see how things go later on tonight."

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

Bill, I don't think anyone is avoiding the facts. What is there to avoid? Yeah, there is the possibility that Papi won't be able to go, or won't be effective. On the other hand, time is when. It would be foolhearty to rush back too soon just too appease nutty fans like you. As Ortiz said: He doesn't want to start playing and then have to stop again because he came back too soon. If anyone is avoiding facts, it is your "Papi is Done" crowd. You are patently avoiding the facts that Papi has been swinging the bat. That doctors and Papi himself feel he is on track to start the season. Now, of course, that might all be spurilous evidence at best. Fine. But, anything else is just pure speculation, conjecture, no facts.

And here is another fact that Geo presented yesterday: Its not really the end of the world if Papi can't go, other than the waste of money. Sure, we lose the only true middle of the order guy we have. But, we are in the age of the mix & match utility DH anyway. Surely, Farrell can make something work.

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

Has management been avoiding the facts? Do you have a quote to back that up? The posters on the forum are concerned but are not in panic mode and posting it all over the forum 24/7 like you do. I hope that I am wrong about this but you sound like a concern troll to me.

No one, that is zero talk about this........Got to sell DUCATS, ya know !!!!

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

Has management been avoiding the facts? Do you have a quote to back that up? The posters on the forum are concerned but are not in panic mode and posting it all over the forum 24/7 like you do. I hope that I am wrong about this but you sound like a concern troll to me.

No one, that is zero talk about this........Got to sell DUCATS, ya know !!!!

Good point Bill (well, I can infer anyway). And one sure way to help bring in fan money is to not go around announcing that your star players are DOA when they are not.

Gotta say Bill, I am surprised at how much bad energy you are directing towards Papi. Kinda weird really. Even if his achilles is toast and he is DOA this year, it is strange for a good natured fella such as yourself to spend so much time harping on him. Bad juju. I am sure Dad does not approve.

Space..... As I have said, I am a PAPI fan and certainly understand what he has ment to the TEAM...... BUUUUTTT, the way most posters & even management are "AVOIDING" the facts bothers me...... I sure hope Ben & J F have a plan B C D E and im sure they do !!! I continue to think that the $ox will go undefeated in 2013 and win it all, again !!!

Has management been avoiding the facts? Do you have a quote to back that up? The posters on the forum are concerned but are not in panic mode and posting it all over the forum 24/7 like you do. I hope that I am wrong about this but you sound like a concern troll to me.

No one, that is zero talk about this........Got to sell DUCATS, ya know !!!!

Good point Bill (well, I can infer anyway). And one sure way to help bring in fan money is to not go around announcing that your star players are DOA when they are not.

I guess Bill wants someone at the Sox ticket window to add a disclaimer;

Good advice from Jim. For sure...he knew when it was time to shut it down. I love baseball..but to me there are few things in sports sadder than someone who doesn't know when to let go. I like to see people go out on top..but that's my preference. I think Ortiz should have retired after last season.

I think the whole Ortiz controversy is nothing but fodder in the sense that it's not very relevent to the team. The Sox season is doing going to hang on whether Ortiz is healthy or not. Ortiz is part of a dying breed. If his achilles heals completely ( I doubt it ever will) then he could have an okay season...but anyone who is looking for big numbers from Big Papi is living in a dreamworld.

Good advice from Jim. For sure...he knew when it was time to shut it down. I love baseball..but to me there are few things in sports sadder than someone who doesn't know when to let go. I like to see people go out on top..but that's my preference. I think Ortiz should have retired after last season.

I think the whole Ortiz controversy is nothing but fodder in the sense that it's not very relevent to the team. The Sox season is doing going to hang on whether Ortiz is healthy or not. Ortiz is part of a dying breed. If his achilles heals completely ( I doubt it ever will) then he could have an okay season...but anyone who is looking for big numbers from Big Papi is living in a dreamworld.

B I N G O !!!! Good post young fella, now hang on while all the seasoned T-BALLERS attack you for "seeing things as they are", not hw they want them to be...... You know your baseball !!!!

Good advice from Jim. For sure...he knew when it was time to shut it down. I love baseball..but to me there are few things in sports sadder than someone who doesn't know when to let go. I like to see people go out on top..but that's my preference. I think Ortiz should have retired after last season.

I think the whole Ortiz controversy is nothing but fodder in the sense that it's not very relevent to the team. The Sox season is doing going to hang on whether Ortiz is healthy or not. Ortiz is part of a dying breed. If his achilles heals completely ( I doubt it ever will) then he could have an okay season...but anyone who is looking for big numbers from Big Papi is living in a dreamworld.

There was no reason to retire. Before he got hurt he was having a triple crown season. Should Mo have retired after hurting his knee last year too? Each player decides when its right for them. Papi's numbers didnt suggest his time has passed yet...

Good advice from Jim. For sure...he knew when it was time to shut it down. I love baseball..but to me there are few things in sports sadder than someone who doesn't know when to let go. I like to see people go out on top..but that's my preference. I think Ortiz should have retired after last season.

I think the whole Ortiz controversy is nothing but fodder in the sense that it's not very relevent to the team. The Sox season is doing going to hang on whether Ortiz is healthy or not. Ortiz is part of a dying breed. If his achilles heals completely ( I doubt it ever will) then he could have an okay season...but anyone who is looking for big numbers from Big Papi is living in a dreamworld.

You should check out Jim Rice's stats for his last three seasons and think again about whether or not he knew when to retire. If Rice had not played that last season, he would had retire with an average above .300, and many think this would have sent him to the hall faster.

I loved Jim Rice and would have paid to see him another year or so. But he did not know when to retire and the only reason he did retire, was that there were virtually no offers after the 89 season.