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I think they should not have made a Dream World. The hidden abilities could have been gotten another way, though I don't know what that could have been.

I never used the Dream World, because it felt like it was not really a part of the game. They dedicated an entire part of the C-Gear to that one feature, when they could have made many more features accessible through the "Online" separator, and you had to go to this website and do things there (Game Sync is related to the Dream World, right?).

Part of the problem is not everyone enjoys online minigames (like me). A *lot* of sites nowadays (and even some time ago, too) made minigames their chief feature of the website (e.g. Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, Facebook, Yahoo, etc.). It feels like Nintendo is just trying to grab a piece of that pie along with all the other minigame-playing sites.

Pokemon X/Y seem to have the right idea. Make more features part of the game, e.g. Pokemon Amie, the rumored seeking feature that I keep hearing about, etc. I have no problem with the GTS website, because there are no real minigames and you don't have to go there if you don't want to - you can chiefly use the GTS from the game directly.

I think they could have done much more than another game-linked website. Especially since I just found out there are exclusives that only come from the Dream World - Pokemon, for example.
In essence, They only have so much ROM space to work with and now that part will just be dead code.

Oh yes, certainly this as well. I hate looking for a specific Pokemon and having offers asking for "Level 9 and under (insert legendary here)". It's impossible except for a select few (Mew, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina - more maybe?). It's also very stupid when they ask for an unreasonable offer (Give me your Darkrai for my Ludicolo? LOLNO).

Maybe there could be a trade-check feature where submitted trade offers must be scanned for fakes, unreasonable offers, etc.

I am hoping, to save the hassle of going to a computer, the dream world (or whatever replaces it) is made into an app.

Dream Radar kinda fits that criteria, where you can get DW Pokémon from there.

But yeah make DW maybe into an island in Kalos where if you get all the Pokémon in the Regional Dex, you can get access to there and a random batch of DW Pokémon appear everyday (excluding legends and starters of course).

As for the level 9 and under thing, please rid that but I understand that some do that to clone their Pokémon (or at least from what I heard from my friends).

Originally Posted by Excitable Boy

wow, we're now pre-ordering an 18 year old game

guess Nintendo knows how poorly GS play and needs a cheap pre-order bonus to rope people in

gotta get the preloads in so the servers don't get hammered by all those nerds trying to download their 0.00004 GB of retro meh on relaunch day

I liked the fact that u had access in pokemon that werent in the dex, even since the 1st badge...
the mini games were fine i guess but after a while u get tired of them...
i hope this time u dont need 10.000 dream points to have access on a pokemon... it made loging into DW a daily chore... at least to me

I still wish they would do away with the Dream World concept. Instead, use this extra feature space to allow access to previous generation regions, and allow capture of Pokemon from those regions there.

Oh yes, certainly this as well. I hate looking for a specific Pokemon and having offers asking for "Level 9 and under (insert legendary here)". It's impossible except for a select few (Mew, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina - more maybe?). It's also very stupid when they ask for an unreasonable offer (Give me your Darkrai for my Ludicolo? LOLNO).

Maybe there could be a trade-check feature where submitted trade offers must be scanned for fakes, unreasonable offers, etc.

I don't mind unreasonable offers tbh, I mean the game is still targeted at young kids, and yeah those kids die to have something like a Darkrai for sure. They may also know that a Caterpie for a Darkrai isn't that reasonable, but yeah I can't say it bothers me that much. That would still get a lot of questions if that would happen, since what is unreasonable? It will really depend on loads of factors and will be different from person to person. Would something like a Mew only be tradeable for an other event Pokémon or a shiny? Can you only offer a Bidoof for other regional rodents? It will be a very hard system to make and also would limit certain choices for certain people. Especially if you are not fortunate enough to be able to stop at shops or places where certain event Pokémon are given away.

I really agree with impossible offers, since I hate to look at several shinies just to get offered for a level 9 Reshiram.

Like some others in this thread, I would also like to make the Dream World more in-game and less out-of-game. I like the idea of something like the Pokethon from HG/SS, but with more mini-games and Dream World-esque prizes. Also, I found the Dream World to function very slowly, which was annoying when exploring via minigame and trying to find one single pokemon.

Maybe if they just revamp the whole Dream Word and make it less clunky and more straight-to-the-point, I would be more willing to access it. However, for me personally, when I want to play Pokemon, I want to play Pokemon - not Pokemon Mini-Version 2.0 on the computer. That said, I understand most people probably think differently, so that's fine.

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Like some others in this thread, I would also like to make the Dream World more in-game and less out-of-game. I like the idea of something like the Pokethon from HG/SS, but with more mini-games and Dream World-esque prizes. Also, I found the Dream World to function very slowly, which was annoying when exploring via minigame and trying to find one single pokemon.

Maybe if they just revamp the whole Dream Word and make it less clunky and more straight-to-the-point, I would be more willing to access it. However, for me personally, when I want to play Pokemon, I want to play Pokemon - not Pokemon Mini-Version 2.0 on the computer. That said, I understand most people probably think differently, so that's fine.

They did something similar in BW2 with the Hidden Hollows, where the pokemon in them had Dream World abilities.

They did something similar in BW2 with the Hidden Hollows, where the pokemon in them had Dream World abilities.

Oh yea, almost forgot about those. I liked those. I'd be OK with something that allowed a fairly large amount of Pokemon with DW abilities to be obtained both in-game or online. That way, someone like myself could capture them in-game, and someone who wants to play the mini-games can capture them online. And BW2 did have a good amount of DW pokemon, so I'm not complaining, it just seems like some desired 'mons were still left unobtainable (like DW Lucario - was that even released in the DW anyway?)

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Oh yea, almost forgot about those. I liked those. I'd be OK with something that allowed a fairly large amount of Pokemon with DW abilities to be obtained both in-game or online. That way, someone like myself could capture them in-game, and someone who wants to play the mini-games can capture them online. And BW2 did have a good amount of DW pokemon, so I'm not complaining, it just seems like some desired 'mons were still left unobtainable (like DW Lucario - was that even released in the DW anyway?)

Yes it was, but in the Dream Radar.

As for Hidden Hollows, while it was awesome to get a lot of DW Pokémon, Mulch and other items were quite abundant in there, decreasing the chance of finding one. I wish we could have the ability to soft reset for the gender and have the appearances of the Pokémon increase just a bit.

Originally Posted by Excitable Boy

wow, we're now pre-ordering an 18 year old game

guess Nintendo knows how poorly GS play and needs a cheap pre-order bonus to rope people in

gotta get the preloads in so the servers don't get hammered by all those nerds trying to download their 0.00004 GB of retro meh on relaunch day

As for Hidden Hollows, while it was awesome to get a lot of DW Pokémon, Mulch and other items were quite abundant in there, decreasing the chance of finding one. I wish we could have the ability to soft reset for the gender and have the appearances of the Pokémon increase just a bit.

A 20% chance of finding pokemon to be exact. Considering they spawn, on average, every 5120 steps or so I think there should be a higher chance, especially since some are so hard to find or get to in the first place.

My guess is that they'll bring back the Dream World for 6th gen, maybe with more areas. I'd like for the DW to be more worth playing than it is, aside from getting the DW Pokemon (which you'll have an easier time through Serebii's Trade Forum than any in game method) or planting berries (which should've been in the main game in the first place) there's no reason to keep coming back.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

I think the new Dreamworld will allow a player to visit other regions that are not available in X&Y. For example you can visit the Johto region and attempt to catch the pokemon in that region. I think it would be great if they made Dreamworld part of X&Y instead of accessing it from a computer.

What irked me in the B/W/B2/W2 DW was the means of exploration. In reality, for one person to unlock all the Dream Islands, you'd have to log on almost daily for months. I can only access 3-4 islands as of now, with the same handful of unattractive Pokemon, because I don't bother gathering 10,000 "dream points". You get a meager number of points for logging on, and another small amount for visiting the Dream Islands. It doesn't add up realistically in my opinion. There was also a maximum amount of Dream Island attempts one could manage before being banned from encountering any more Pokemon or items, which annoyed me because I don't remember any rule explicitly saying that we had a max. It was a little problem but I can deal with it if they keep it this Gen. Lastly I disliked that we can only bring back one single Pokemon, which didn't make much sense for me.

Focus Blast: "It's a good move with a secondary effect of hitting the opponent"

What irked me in the B/W/B2/W2 DW was the means of exploration. In reality, for one person to unlock all the Dream Islands, you'd have to log on almost daily for months. I can only access 3-4 islands as of now, with the same handful of unattractive Pokemon, because I don't bother gathering 10,000 "dream points". You get a meager number of points for logging on, and another small amount for visiting the Dream Islands. It doesn't add up realistically in my opinion.

Not really, if you do as many minigames as possible and take advantage of every Dream Point you can earn, you can get about 600 per day or something and earn 10,000 within a matter of weeks.

Originally Posted by jonnyc

There was also a maximum amount of Dream Island attempts one could manage before being banned from encountering any more Pokemon or items, which annoyed me because I don't remember any rule explicitly saying that we had a max. It was a little problem but I can deal with it if they keep it this Gen. Lastly I disliked that we can only bring back one single Pokemon, which didn't make much sense for me.

Now this is a more serious issue. The DW is too stingy to be worth playing, especially after you've gotten whatever you really wanted out of it. What they need is something that you'd want to keep coming back for, like the furniture but better.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

Not really, if you do as many minigames as possible and take advantage of every Dream Point you can earn, you can get about 600 per day or something and earn 10,000 within a matter of weeks.

The point being from the previous poster you were replying to, I think, that the amount of time it takes to get that many Dream Points is excessive. It's fine to have something require effort, but it probably doesn't appeal to the general audience to have something like Dream Islands require that many points and then, additionally, require x amount of hours AT MINIMUM to achieve said points.

Frankly I think it would be better to simply have the Dream World have a bunch of places you can go from the start, with set pokemon at each point as opposed to random. But, I'm not sure if that would be too easy.

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I don't think they'll bring back the dream world
I suspect now the Global Link will be solely used for stat tracking (GTS, ranked battles, etc), tournaments, and maybe changing out skins for the pokedex and such