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that's pretty strange. Do you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes
or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are not
received either.
No, it's on notes.
Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP when
I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or
activity when I send a program change message.
otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you connect your
controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi
program change commands it is sending?
What is Midi Ox?
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Re: EDP MIDI Parameter change question

that's pretty strange. Do =
you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes
or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are n=
ot
received either.No, it's on notes.
Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP whe=
n I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or activ=
ity when I send a program change message.

otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you =
connect your
controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi
program change commands it is sending?What is Midi Ox?

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The Digitech RDS-8000 also had this feature.
Smiles,
CQ
At 10:38 AM 7/31/02 -0700, you wrote:
>The EH-16 has a function which modulates the playback rate. A loop would
>accelerate then slow down. In its extreme setting this was a wild effect.
>You could control the depth and frequency of this modulation. Yay analog!
>I miss it, but not the (unwanted) weird behavior it increasingly started to
>exhibit when I ditched it 6 years ago as a collectable after 13 years of
>service. I think you'd be crazy to buy one now if you wanted a dependable
>and serviceable device.
>
>Bob
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Zvonar"
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>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: EH 16 second delay
>
>
>> At 12:25 AM -0800 7/31/02, Stan Card wrote:
>> >*nothing* i repeat(er)*nothing* remotely relates to the
>> > soundwise-operation wise,whatever wise. it is a one
>> >of a kind animal.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, what makes the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay
>unique?
>>
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Spoken by a true master of the EH16. Mr. Helm can do amazing this with
this box and any noise source. I was there.
bret
--- Loopbozo@aol.com wrote:
> > Actually the footpedal was a pain in the ass and added rather
> unambient
> clunks to your loop, even if you were careful. Which is not to say
> that after
> 15 years of service I was not sorry to see it become someone elses
> box (an
> associate of Nels Cline).After tape loops it opened up a world of
> sonic
> manipulation that I enjoy listening to some of the results of to this
> day.The
> half speed backwards function possible in the EDP LoopIV upgrade is a
> nod in
> the direction of this box and it's lore.
>
> b.helm
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Has anybody had problems with the trim cut function in the Repeater? I
was transferring a bunch of loops to my pc, so I did the trim cut on
all of them to supposedly get rid of the empty space before and after
the loop, but when I checked in the computer, it was still there. This
happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not doing it right?
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At 09:09 PM 7/31/2002, Steve Sandberg wrote:
>that's pretty strange. Do you have the ControlSource parameter set to Notes
>or Controllers? If it is "off" then program change messages are not
>received either.
>No, it's on notes.
>Just tried it again -- now there is nothing happening at all in the EDP
>when I send program change messages; that is, no change in its display or
>activity when I send a program change message.
sounds like either no midi is going there or the wrong messages are going
there and being ignored. do you use your midi controller for normal control
of the echoplex, i.e. record, overdub, etc? at least that might tell us if
midi is working at all.
>otherwise I don't know why it wouldn't work. can you connect your
>controller to something like MidiOx and email me a text file of the midi
>program change commands it is sending?
>What is Midi Ox?
it is a handy program for debugging midi stuff, among other things. runs on
pc. it conveniently shows what midi data is going by and allows you to log
it to a text file. very useful for times like this.
http://www.midiox.com/ there are probably other programs like it.
kim
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At 07:53 PM 7/31/2002, Richard Zvonar wrote:
>Richard Zvonar wrote:
>
>>If someone will catalog the E-H's features I'll see if I can reproduced them.
probably another one is the delay feedback being done in analog. That sort
of thing was either a flaw or a feature depending who you ask. With each
repetition of the loop you pick up some system noise, and probably lose
some high end, so loops subtly change over time. In tape loops there is
tape compression as well. People often like this in older delays and hear
it as "warmth", although it sucks in a looper when you want the loop to
stay the same. Digital loopers and delays usually do feedback digitally, so
you get perfect copies with only the amplitude change of the feedback
setting. Of course, in a digital system you have the opportunity to put any
sort of processing you like in the feedback path, which is a nice effect.
To capture the "character" of something like the eh16, you would probably
need to figure out something about how the feedback path affects the sound,
and add some sort of lowpass filter + noise generator in the feedback of
your emulation.
kim
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On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 06:47 AM, Bret wrote:
> What AC voltage does Paris use (120,240,100)? 50hz or 60hz?
> Is it 3 wire, one is ground, one hot, one neutral?
Its 220/240 (I can never remember which), and I think 60Hz. Although
main plugs (i.e. in the kitchen) are wired up for three pin plugs, it is
not the law to enforce this for every appliance like it is in the uk.
Most sockets/appliances are connected with the simple two-pin plug, not
earthed. The horrible thing about my rented apartment is that there is
no earth on any of the sockets in the living space..... BTW: It is
definitely not my fridge making the noise. One time I disconnected the
unit from the mains, and the noise was still there.
Then there are my neighbours with their powertools, pre-war fridges,
electric chairs, photon ray guns etc. all producing random noises here.
I think I'm going mad. :)
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Hi all,
In case any of you loopers might be in Paris over the next few weeks, I
have found a great spot to play at Paris Plage (Yes... somebody made a
beach along the side of the Seine.... Yes its crap...)... Under the
bridge after Pont Sully, North Bank of the Seine, Opposite the middle of
Ile St. Louis.
I've been playing there for the past few days, with one of my students
playing Djambe... and its been pretty cool so far - Great acoustics,
great atmosphere and a good crowd. I can make as much noise with the
120Watt portable PA as I like, without any complaints. I cannot however
advertise CD's, but I can display them... I cannot ask for money or put
out a collecting tray, but I am allowed to keep what is given to me....
(mad rules.... given to me by 3 separate groups of police).... They also
keep taking my lit cigarettes and keep smelling them for drugs.... I
keep telling them, if they want some, they will have to get their own....
Anyway, back to the point of the post. If any of you are in Paris, feel
free to come down for a jam/chat. I'm there normally from lunch time
until 7pm... however, its possible that I might still be there come
midnight.
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"Stuart Wyatt" put forth:
> Its 220/240 (I can never remember which), and I think 60Hz. Although
> main plugs (i.e. in the kitchen) are wired up for three pin plugs, it is
> not the law to enforce this for every appliance like it is in the uk.
I have found that such enforcement is um, selective. New installations
certainly follow this, well, they're supposed to. But there are still quite
a number of places with the old wiring. Including Buckingham Palace! In
the Gold Room the two-prong stuff is everywhere, as well as functionally
plugged-in. I suspect it's that which caused the fire during Jubilee
Weekend - but of course it's the Queen's turf, and so "it could never have
been the wiring!".
> Most sockets/appliances are connected with the simple two-pin plug, not
> earthed. The horrible thing about my rented apartment is that there is
> no earth on any of the sockets in the living space..... BTW: It is
> definitely not my fridge making the noise. One time I disconnected the
> unit from the mains, and the noise was still there.
>
> Then there are my neighbours with their powertools, pre-war fridges,
> electric chairs, photon ray guns etc. all producing random noises here.
You're not going mad. I have recordings made in college (awful, yes! But
so entertaining in a MST3K kind of way!) that have the signatures of fridge
motors and flourescent light fixtures all through 'em. In one place an
"electronic cricket" kind of noise shows up every 12 minutes, even on albums
I taped through the stereo. As it turned out it was the on-off cycle for
the compressor of a fridge down the hall.
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>How about noone, for no one?
as opposed to "any body" ? ;-)
>--- Richard Zvonar wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my all-time linguistic peeve,
>> misspelling division:
>>
>> "alot"
>>
>> At the present time is no such word in English.
>>
>> There is "allot" which means "allocate," and there is "a lot" which
>> means, well, "a lot."
>>
>
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Attention MIDI gurus:
To those of you who are using the FCB1010 to control the Repeater : Is it possible to share your configuration of the pedal, maybe via midi sys ex dump?
Can sys ex dumps be attached to an email?
I am a midi newbie, and it looks as if programing the pedal is not trivial.
I'm not really lazy, but would rather practice playing than programming.
TIA
lazy H
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The trimming does only modify the loop start/end points, not the data
itself. To apply your trim to the data, use resample.
rs
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> Has anybody had problems with the trim cut function in the
> Repeater? I
> was transferring a bunch of loops to my pc, so I did the trim cut on
> all of them to supposedly get rid of the empty space before and after
> the loop, but when I checked in the computer, it was still
> there. This
> happen to anyone else? Maybe I'm not doing it right?
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--- Looping9string@aol.com wrote:
> If I might tell you about another little "group"...
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> I am looking to interact with Loopers that play BASS, w/ 5 or more
> strings...
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> I have a yahoo group that has been very helpful in the multistring
> bass
> community and would love to see the participation of some of you
> fellow
> loopers! We have several notable mfg.'s and musicians in our group
> and we all
> have a sanctuary of information right at our finger tips...
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I looked for this at groups.yahoo.com and couldn't find it. What's the
exact name, and what category is it stuck under?
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What's up everyone,
my name is mike, and i just joined this list. I am new to the world of
digital sampling and need some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind
Controller. I plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample
phrases, and have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that
is foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all
this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, recording
them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that i can immediately
hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, and it loop it. I
would like something that does more than just one loop also. I'm not sure
if a midi sampler is the best way to go or not. Should i just use a phrase
sampler that records analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way
to go, since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal
for midi that fits what i need?
All help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks very much
sharin in grooves
Mike
http://db.etree.org/jam
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newbie

What's up everyone,

my name is mike, and i just joined =
this list. I am new to the world of digital sampling and need =
some advice. I own a Yamaha WX5 Midi Wind Controller. I =
plan on using this for gigging, and would like to sample phrases, and =
have immediate playback. So i am going to need something that is =
foot pedal oriented, cause i am going to be improvising and doing all =
this live. I'm not going to be working on these phrases at home, =
recording them, and then playing to tracks. I want something that =
i can immediately hit a footswitch start recording, and then hit stop, =
and it loop it. I would like something that does more than just =
one loop also. I'm not sure if a midi sampler is the best way to =
go or not. Should i just use a phrase sampler that records =
analog, like a guitar sampler. Or is midi the best way to go, =
since my instrument is midi. And is there a footswitch type pedal =
for midi that fits what i need?