Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

OneTimed:Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.

They don't have a monopoly on it but comparing the Dem lies to the GOP lies is like comparing a bathtub to the ocean.

Yeah sorry, the "edited out" portion doesn't in any way change the context of his comment about redistribution. Sorry, it doesn't.

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."

Oh wow, the comments in the article completely ignore what Obama said, and continue to blame him for everything, including the 'war on women' and so on. The amount of projection i'm seeing is staggering.

The GOP's fanboys are so caught up in the idea that socialism/redistribution/etc is an evil thing that they are literally cheering on the transfer form the poor to the rich, and blaming the liberals for it.

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

The part they leave out.

How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

Not a damn thing wrong with either but it's obviously another attempt by the right to take Obama's words out of context to prove something that a full in context read would not support.

This is "out of context" for any RWers who are having difficulty with the concept.

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

I used to think Romney was an OK guy who just happened to lack charisma. Now I know he's a mendacious, disingenuous scumbag.

"This is how America works. It does not work by a government saying, become dependent on government. Become dependent upon redistribution. That will kill the American entrepreneurship that's lifted our economy over the years," Romney told donors at a fundraiser this afternoon in Atlanta. "The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class? I do. He does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class? I can! He can't!"

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

The part they leave out.

How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

Not a damn thing wrong with either but it's obviously another attempt by the right to take Obama's words out of context to prove something that a full in context read would not support.

This is "out of context" for any RWers who are having difficulty with the concept.

B-b-b-ut two minutes are missing from the Romney fundraising video! Two minutes in which he might have said something that wasn't stupid or false!

So let's get this straight. Romney gets a tape released and owns it and says, "We need to see the whole video." When the whole video is put out, Republicans calls it a conspiracy. Overall, Romney looks bad. Republicans put out a snippet of Obama calling for redistribution of wealth. Then when the whole tape is exposed, he actually talks about competition and marketplace and growth. Obama looks better.

OneTimed:Question: why does it seem like lately the GOP has had a monopoly on deceitfulness and outright lying? I don't think all or even most conservatives are dishonest, but their party and talking heads just can't stop spewing 100% bullshiat from their mouths at all times.

It's because if the average person were to listen to Obama speak at length on a topic, his thoughts sound very reasonable. It's a key quality all leaders must have. Ronald Reagan had the same gift.

SunsetLament:Yeah sorry, the "edited out" portion doesn't in any way change the context of his comment about redistribution. Sorry, it doesn't.

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."

It does indeed. It means how does the government encourage the small business, the local business, so that it can compete and generate wealth. How do you make Joes hardware store compete with billionaire steves hardware chain? Remember, this clip was from around the time of the internet bomb, which helped a lot of folks do just that. Obama points to stuff like tax credits as an example.

This isn't seizing rich people property and giving it away, it's helping the lower classes and smaller business compete via tax breaks.

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities."

Brandyelf:Is anyone actually surprised by this? It was a naked attempt to say, "Look! Their guy says bad things, too!" It failed, and this is just the icing on the cake.

I really liked that part of the TDS video (2 links down) where Stewart exposed this deflection:Media are reporting on Romney's "47%" comments-deflection 1: it was "inartfully worded"-deflection 2: it was an uncomfortable (one might say "inconvenient") truth, but a "winning strategy" to push the 47% line-deflection 3: that was 5 months ago!!-deflection 4: Obama once said something, too!

Now that's how you edit a video to take something out of context, Republicans...

'Course, considering you did the same thing with the "You didn't build that quote", I'm assuming you already knew that and are just using this to deflect from Romney's asinine comments about half the country.