If you want a character winger who is tough and can score, then you gotta sacrifice a guy like Neal--assuming Geno is as untouchable as Sid.

What? Or we could just trade a 2nd to Dallas for Morrow, or one of our top prospects and a 1st for Iginla.

You're over-thinking it.

I think it's going to take more than that to get Iginla. Even if he could be had for that, it's a move that doesn't address the main needs of the Pens. Pens need grit and toughness up front, but don't need scoring, therefore let's put that prospect + pick toward a better dman than could otherwise be obtained.

I'm not suggesting the Pens would need to trade Neal for Iginla. But if they're going to add a scoring winger with toughness who has something left in the tank, they're going to need to draw from the top to avoid becoming even more unbalanced.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed with his play. My girlfriend thinks I hate the dude, but he has some serious decision-making issues. Not the kind of player I want making top dollar, in any case. With the players in the system, I'd either trade Letang before letting him walk because someone (Hint - bleu, blanc et rouge) is going to throw $7-8 million at him.

The funny thing is for every 10 boneheaded plays he makes every game (the ill-timed pinches, ridiculously unnecessary passes, turnovers, playing with the puck at the blue line, etc), he'll make you doubt your eyes because there will be one play that leaves you spellbound. I remember Fleury saying when he was breaking into the League, he would purposefully put himself in bad positions so he could make the ten-bell save. It feels like Letang just loves the perfect play too much to be a consistently great player.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed with his play. My girlfriend thinks I hate the dude, but he has some serious decision-making issues. Not the kind of player I want making top dollar, in any case. With the players in the system, I'd either trade Letang before letting him walk because someone (Hint - bleu, blanc et rouge) is going to throw $7-8 million at him.

The funny thing is for every 10 boneheaded plays he makes every game (the ill-timed pinches, ridiculously unnecessary passes, turnovers, playing with the puck at the blue line, etc), he'll make you doubt your eyes because there will be one play that leaves you spellbound. I remember Fleury saying when he was breaking into the League, he would purposefully put himself in bad positions so he could make the ten-bell save. It feels like Letang just loves the perfect play too much to be a consistently great player.

I agree with the statements above, also I think if we are looking for that "winger", he would bring in the most value. I'm also not convinced that we don't need a stay at home D.

Glad I'm not the only one annoyed with his play. My girlfriend thinks I hate the dude, but he has some serious decision-making issues. Not the kind of player I want making top dollar, in any case. With the players in the system, I'd either trade Letang before letting him walk because someone (Hint - bleu, blanc et rouge) is going to throw $7-8 million at him.

The funny thing is for every 10 boneheaded plays he makes every game (the ill-timed pinches, ridiculously unnecessary passes, turnovers, playing with the puck at the blue line, etc), he'll make you doubt your eyes because there will be one play that leaves you spellbound. I remember Fleury saying when he was breaking into the League, he would purposefully put himself in bad positions so he could make the ten-bell save. It feels like Letang just loves the perfect play too much to be a consistently great player.

I agree with the statements above, also I think if we are looking for that "winger", he would bring in the most value. I'm also not convinced that we don't need a stay at home D.

Letang for Perry and Fowler would be just about the only deal I'd support. He still has immense value despite his sloppy play so far. Heck, he probably is a Norris candidate so far if you can believe that.

Can we trade Bylsma to Montreal for MT back? MT showing he can do more with less. Some change needs to happen fast even if it is a minor deal to wake everyone up. After every loss this year it seems as though our star (sid) is talking to the media say we are not prepared, or we were lazy, or we took too many of the same penalties by the same players AGAIN, ect....all is a reflection on the coach. I am starting to think maybe Bylsma doesnt have the players anymore or the system is now outdated already. We are also one of the soffest teams going. Maybe we need to trade in Shero he seems to keep making us smaller and weaker to this point (boychuk-eaton). Philly was strugglling they made a change we just sit there and hope that we can "play our game". Our "game" will not win another Cup, I hope I eat my words but we are not built for the playoffs. Oh and Tanner Glass is horrible.

malksby8771 wrote:Letang for Perry and Fowler would be just about the only deal I'd support. He still has immense value despite his sloppy play so far. Heck, he probably is a Norris candidate so far if you can believe that.

Letang isn't worth those 2 players. It'd probably be Letang, Dupuis, Bennett, and a 1st for those guys and I still don't think the Ducks would even consider it.

malksby8771 wrote:Letang for Perry and Fowler would be just about the only deal I'd support. He still has immense value despite his sloppy play so far. Heck, he probably is a Norris candidate so far if you can believe that.

Letang isn't worth those 2 players. It'd probably be Letang, Dupuis, Bennett, and a 1st for those guys and I still don't think the Ducks would even consider it.

malksby8771 wrote:Letang for Perry and Fowler would be just about the only deal I'd support. He still has immense value despite his sloppy play so far. Heck, he probably is a Norris candidate so far if you can believe that.

Letang isn't worth those 2 players. It'd probably be Letang, Dupuis, Bennett, and a 1st for those guys and I still don't think the Ducks would even consider it.

lololol get out of here Pavel, you're drunk.

Perry's a UFA at the end of the year. Yeah, they won't ask for that much. Letang for Perry is pretty even. If we want Fowler, it would have to be Roster Player and Pick.

malksby8771 wrote:Letang for Perry and Fowler would be just about the only deal I'd support. He still has immense value despite his sloppy play so far. Heck, he probably is a Norris candidate so far if you can believe that.

Letang isn't worth those 2 players. It'd probably be Letang, Dupuis, Bennett, and a 1st for those guys and I still don't think the Ducks would even consider it.

There's no way Letang for Fowler and Perry is happening. Keep dreaming.

Maybe the Pens don't turn the puck over so often because they suck and/or are lazy/stupid/personally unprepared. Unfortunately, because they are turning the puck over so often, their role players don't look good and aren't worth much to trade ATM.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with Letang, but he needs to be reined in, something the coaching staff has been unable to do. It would be a mistake to trade him.

I disagree with this for one reason. The same thing is said about Letang from other markets.

Every article/blog that comes out lists Letang in the top 5 of Norris contenders. Although we get to see Letang play everyday, a lot of other teams get the hype, and scouts can't be at every game. If they were, I doubt we'd have Kunitz, Neal, and Niskanen in exchange for Whitney and Goligoski.

When someone who is even mentioned in the Norris talk is potentially available, other teams will listen.

There's no way Letang for Fowler and Perry is happening. Keep dreaming.

Maybe the Pens don't turn the puck over so often because they suck and/or are lazy/stupid/personally unprepared. Unfortunately, because they are turning the puck over so often, their role players don't look good and aren't worth much to trade ATM.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with Letang, but he needs to be reined in, something the coaching staff has been unable to do. It would be a mistake to trade him.

Rein him in? I'd argue that its the coaching staff that has him being so aggressive.

I disagree with this for one reason. The same thing is said about Letang from other markets.

Every article/blog that comes out lists Letang in the top 5 of Norris contenders. Although we get to see Letang play everyday, a lot of other teams get the hype, and scouts can't be at every game. If they were, I doubt we'd have Kunitz, Neal, and Niskanen in exchange for Whitney and Goligoski.

When someone who is even mentioned in the Norris talk is potentially available, other teams will listen.

The Ducks aren't a rich team, this is a homegrown talent of theirs, still on his entry level deal, already locked up to a long term deal for way cheaper than what Letang is going to get, they already have another offensive RHS d-man that love on the way, I'm not sure if there's a team that could be any less interested in Letang than the Ducks...they have their 21 year old, #1 d-man locked up on the cheap until 2018...they would trade him for pending FA Letang in any circumstance? That's really, really, really unlikely...