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see my post on the other thread that explains why school shooting are the high priority issue it is. It solidly refutes your notion that school shooting aren't a big threat.

For everyone who doesn't want to waste their time figuring out which thread is "the other thread" :

Originally Posted by monty1

You're not understanding that school shooting involve the death of children and so for that reason you are minimizing the importance. That's wrong! The whole issue is being belaboured now just 'because' it was children and it should be. It's your highest priority 'because' it was children.

Are you americans getting this?

The gungoons shooting each other and shooting innocent bystanders and shooting home owners, etc., etc., etc., is no big deal and can't be fixed anyway withoug banning all handguns off the streets and limiting them to shooting ranges with a permit to get it there and back. But that's not the issue. And can't be fixed anyway because your 2nd. amendment trumps it.

School shootings are the issue and they aren't a minimal issue as so many Americans are trying to say. All they are doing is screeching about their 'secund mundmun rits' in reality and putting that over the value of their children's lives.

Now are you americans getting it?

I can' help but notice that you didn't actually "soundly refute" their point as much as you just asserted that it was wrong.

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(such a repugnanat and careless comment from one claiming a degree!)

Where, exactly, does Travis claim that he has a degree? What does that have to do with anything?

For everyone who doesn't want to waste their time figuring out which thread is "the other thread" :

I can' help but notice that you didn't actually "soundly refute" their point as much as you just asserted that it was wrong.

I did refute their point but I can go even a bit further. Our children are our future and how we care for them is an indication of our worth in society. The shooting of 20 children has brought the gun issue to the forefront for a very good reason. No doubt that the very large majority in your country now think something has to be done about your gun problem. If it was 20 black people who were shot by other blacks or whites on the street then it would have been glossed over and forgotten long ago. That's why it's of critical importance to decent people and why I say that if it's not important to some people then they are more concerned with their crazy 2nd. amendment or crazed with pure negativism when they express their priorities. Hate? Bigotry? What if not support for that crazy amendment?

[q1uote] Where, exactly, does Travis claim that he has a degree? What does that have to do with anything?[/quote]

Travi's supposed degree has nothing to do with the topic and we should just leave that alone.

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Our children are our future and how we care for them is an indication of our worth in society.

I agree that protecting those who can't reasonably be expected to defend themselves is a moral good, but I fail to see why this should be limited to children. Why should unarmed adults who have no more ability to protect themselves from gun violence than a child deserve less care or consideration?

Originally Posted by monty1

If it was 20 black people who were shot by other blacks or whites on the street then it would have been glossed over and forgotten long ago.

But it isn't just 20 adults who have been shot balanced against 20 children who are victims of school shootings, as you pointed out in your thread on
US gun deaths the number is in the thousands. If the number of adult victims with no reasonable means to defend themselves is larger than the number of child victims by several orders of magnitude, should that not be our first priority?

I agree that protecting those who can't reasonably be expected to defend themselves is a moral good, but I fail to see why this should be limited to children. Why should unarmed adults who have no more ability to protect themselves from gun violence than a child deserve less care or consideration?

But it isn't just 20 adults who have been shot balanced against 20 children who are victims of school shootings, as you pointed out in your thread on
US gun deaths the number is in the thousands. If the number of adult victims with no reasonable means to defend themselves is larger than the number of child victims by several orders of magnitude, should that not be our first priority?

I'm with the roughly 320 million americans that feel that the priority is the 20 children. That has become the issue and that issue is school shootings. That's fact!

It's not what should be the issue, it's what is the issue and the 99% can't be wrong. If the people say that's the issue then you are wasting your time arguing about it.

But let's move on now. What should be the issue, if that's where you want to go, is the second amendment insanity. The reason it is that is because the handgun problem can't be dealt with until that is changed. Or can it? Answer that please.

So the number of handguns are statistically what the issue is. It's specifically why Canada and other sane nations don't have your problem. And so we go around in another circle, around and around in ever decreasing circles until we all disappear up our own .............. you get the picture.

I'm with the roughly 320 million americans that feel that the priority is the 20 children. That has become the issue and that issue is school shootings. That's fact!

It's not what should be the issue, it's what is the issue and the 99% can't be wrong. If the people say that's the issue then you are wasting your time arguing about it.

But let's move on now. What should be the issue, if that's where you want to go, is the second amendment insanity. The reason it is that is because the handgun problem can't be dealt with until that is changed. Or can it? Answer that please.

So the number of handguns are statistically what the issue is. It's specifically why Canada and other sane nations don't have your problem. And so we go around in another circle, around and around in ever decreasing circles until we all disappear up our own .............. you get the picture.

I didn't mean to start the same discussion of that thread in a second thread, just to provide context to your reference of it. We should probably keep it in the original thread to avoid having the same argument in two threads.

(see my post on the other thread that explains why school shooting are the high priority issue it is. It solidly refutes your notion that school shooting aren't a big threat.) (such a repugnanat and careless comment from one claiming a degree!)

Well, considering there are, in the US about 250,000 schools (including colleges, but not private colleges) school shootings ARE rare.

Way back when Seagal first hit the scene, his "people" released the information that he had trained in Aikido directly under founder Morihei Ueshiba.
The Aikido foundation issued a terse reply..."No he didn't."

I think that back in eighties, you could get away with this kind of PR.

Movie magazines will just repeat the press release, serious papers don't do in-depth articles about action stars. The only ones interested in this would be martial arts press, and that is a very small niche.

Now, you put out a press release like that, the first comment under the article will link to bullshido.com debunking all the BS.

Seagal (or his management) apparently put out a lot BS information back then. And teenagers ate it up.

-He was an enforcer for the mob
He did jobs and favours for the CIA
-He was on the Shah's bodyguard team
-He trained under Uesheba (sp)
-He's an expert in antique swords, doing taxations at auctions and museums.
-He's Italian (Jewish-Irish actually)

But keep in mind: He was very highly paid actor in the eighties.

He had the enormous luck that the public believed he was some kind of badass, and he lucked into his first film (Above the Law) being a pretty good gritty action thriller.
He starred opposite Tommy Lee Jones in a big-budget acktion flick.

As whoppers go, this one is always a winner. If you are asked for details, you can claim that it is too classified to reveal. Plus the CIA is forbidden from answering questions about who has and hasn't worked for the Agency.

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Was he ever a Navy SEAL? I remember that going around a lot, but I haven't heard it recently.

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Was he ever a Navy SEAL? I remember that going around a lot, but I haven't heard it recently.

Are you confusing Seagal with Jesse Ventura? While he was never actually in the SEALS, Ventura underwent SEAL training and served in the Underwater Demolition Teams (which later was folded into the SEALS). Sticklers say the distinction is very important.

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Are you confusing Seagal with Jesse Ventura? While he was never actually in the SEALS, Ventura underwent SEAL training and served in the Underwater Demolition Teams (which later was folded into the SEALS). Sticklers say the distinction is very important.

No, I've never paid any attention to Ventura. At least one former associate of Seagal's has claimed he used to say he'd been a SEAL, though. So I guess that was another one of his delusions for a while.

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Now, you put out a press release like that, the first comment under the article will link to bullshido.com debunking all the BS.

If you can find it.

I just browsed to bullshido.com for the first time in several years. It's funny; I seem to remember that it was once some sort of site whose primary purpose was to be skeptical of martial arts claims of awesome superpowered magical chi and so forth. But I can't tell now; it appears to have metamorphed into some typical martial arts fan site whose primary function seems to be movie reviews (of non-martial-arts movies), laughing at pictures of fat people, venerating Bruce Lee, and providing a place where blowhards can ineffectually challenge each other to fights and make fun of people who practice other flavors than them. Maybe I was just imagining the previous format of bullshido.com, or maybe I was looking at a different bullshido website, or maybe it was bought by somebody - I don't know; but I wouldn't link anybody to anything on that incoherent disaster of a website right now.

You're right, it's crazy and an indication that society has failed. But it's probably the only short term solution for the problem. It's being implemented in many schools in the US already and had been even before this latest big slaughter.

The gun control measures being talked about currently are all going to fall short of fixing the problem, supposing that the gungoon lobby and the right wing would ever let any of them pass into law.

The solution lies in changing the American mindset but nobody wants to even suggest that. It's too politically dangerous to go there perhaps?

The obvious answer is to constantly berate and vilify Americans and especially those who disagree with you and create conspiracies giving the US far more power and importance than even Eaglelander True PatriotsTM give it.

Obviously wrong that is.

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They just don't think it's worth doing anything about Nessie. Changing the American mindset of violence is what is needed but that doesn't seem possible at this time. Forcing them to be responsible gun owners by forcing them to carry liability insurane would be a great start.

In September, one of Arpaio’s deputies joined Tempe police in responding to an attempted burglary call – and shot and killed a teenage suspect. A deputy said he felt threatened and saw a knife; eyewitnesses in the neighborhood say he was putting his hands in the air to surrender when he was shot, and wonder why the deputy didn’t simply use a Taser.

Like I said, makes those school kids so much less safe it's only a matter of time.

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They just don't think it's worth doing anything about Nessie. Changing the American mindset of violence is what is needed but that doesn't seem possible at this time. Forcing them to be responsible gun owners by forcing them to carry liability insurane would be a great start.

Of course that's exactly right. Why on Earth would we bother protecting our young from guns, when we're just gonna eat them once they're nicely fattened up anyway?

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I have a perception that it was you. Simple at that and it doesn't need to be any more complicated. If you feel you want to proclaim your innocence then just do it. It's no more than would be expected from you by the police. And then, if you had inferred it wasn't you because you knew who it was then they would be asking you to name the guilty party.

Get on with it Travis, the onus is on you and I couldn't care less. The rubber meets the road Travis and it does with the racism question too!

I have a perception that it was you. Simple at that and it doesn't need to be any more complicated. If you feel you want to proclaim your innocence then just do it. It's no more than would be expected from you by the police. And then, if you had inferred it wasn't you because you knew who it was then they would be asking you to name the guilty party.

Get on with it Travis, the onus is on you and I couldn't care less. The rubber meets the road Travis and it does with the racism question too!

What racism question?

And are you saying you want evidence of posts I didn't make? How does that work?

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And are you saying you want evidence of posts I didn't make? How does that work?

You Americans all look alike.

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And are you saying you want evidence of posts I didn't make? How does that work?

If I may bring the subject back to the OP.

Joe Arpaio has no idea what he is talking about. From what I've seen of Joe Arpaio, he is unable to even correctly describe how the law works. The other problem with Joe Arpaio is that he cannot be convinced that he is wrong.

Of course, I might be completely wrong about Joe Arpaio. Perhaps Joe Arpaio is not a opinionated, closed-minded fool. If anyone has any evidence that Joe Arpaio is not that incompetent, I am willing to examine it.

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No they don't. Travis looks like he's of Russian descent. I'm assuming that's him in the avatar. Good looking lad! I just wish he would apply himself and come out with something longer than his oneliners.

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