"The stat chart to be the only saving grace"? Lol. Among the other parts of the game Eli is inferior, INTs are INTs. Though I guess by your standards "paid to win": since we swept the Giants with Rex Grossman as QB, that means Sexy Rexy >>> Eli. And when the stats are so lopsided in favor of Rivers, when just looking at them play it's also obvious Rivers is better. The only thing in Eli's favor is what superbowls THE GIANTS won. And last I looked there were 21+ other starters on a team that helped decide that.

I know you'll probably ignore this like everything else, but look at it this way: The Ravens won the SB this season. Would you take Joe Flacco on your team over Eli or any other QB? No? Why not? Go ahead and answer and contradict yourself.

Strawman, nobody said winning doesn't mean anything. OTOH, where does Dan Marino fit on your all-time list, and why? Stats? By his quick release and arm?

Ummm, you listed 6 QBs. "Take a shot at Bob"? See, that's your problem, you base your opinion on "taking shots" at other teams QBs and assume that must be my motivation. LMAO if you actually want to compare Griffin's performance with Eli's rookie year. I expect you to cling to injury on that, because that's all you have there. Just like basically all you have to cling to Eli being discussed with other better QBs is how well the Giants did in the playoffs.

(Bold mine)Fixed it for you. YW.

I don't take shots at other teams QB's you did. I said I wouldn't. I didn't and haven't compared Eli and Bob ,they're different I fully admit that and have said nothing different, Eli is elite like it or not ,I like Bob he is a good young QB and exciting to watch but if he is not on the field he'll never be elite not a shot (as you would say) just a fact and one more thing I have NEVER in any post EVER wished or hope a player gets hurt Thing is you keep screaming Marino , so what he never won a super bowl so yeah I don't consider him as elite. As was pointed out before to say Eli is inferior is ignorant in any real discussion of current or past QB's.

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You said I'm delusional about Skins Fans , not in a min ! I wouldn't be here if I was the fans here love their team and I respect that but my comments are to you not all skins fans . Skins Fans are great fans as are Giant fans.

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I don't take shots at other teams QB's you did. I said I wouldn't. I didn't and haven't compared Eli and Bob ,

You brought up "Bob" for no good reason. Although I consider it a compliment considering how Griffin embarrassed the Giants DEs after whoever came up with the nickname.

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they're different I fully admit that and have said nothing different, Eli is elite like it or not ,I like Bob he is a good young QB and exciting to watch but if he is not on the field he'll never be elite not a shot (as you would say) just a fact

(bold mine) LOL. Eli is not elite. Period. A team fan can be forgiven thinking so, but to keep arguing the point after being proven wrong... nothing more to say unless you want to keep burying yourself deeper.

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and one more thing I have NEVER in any post EVER wished or hope a player gets hurt

Again you fail reading comprehension, giantone. I said you would cling to the injury thing for debate purposes, as in the ONLY reason you could consider RGIII not to be miles ahead of Eli starting out. And look, you just made the comparison between Eli vs. Griffin if he can't avoid injury, just like I said.

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Thing is you keep screaming Marino , so what he never won a super bowl so yeah I don't consider him as elite. As was pointed out before to say Eli is inferior is ignorant in any real discussion of current or past QB's.

P.S You said I delusional about Skins Fans , not in a min ! I wouldn't be here if I was the fans here love their team and I respect that but my comments are to you not all skins fans .

You are definitely delusional in thinking that Skins fans in general would ever consider Doug Williams or Mark Rypien as elite. Period. Delusional. That's more delusional than thinking Eli is elite.

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Skins Fans are great fans as are Giant fans.

Finally something generally true we can agree on. Each fan base has eccentricities for various reasons. We hate Dallas more than other teams, well until weasel John Mara violated the last year of the old CBA to screw two division opponents, and a lot of giant fans like to pretend that Eli is elite. Glad we can still enjoy fandom and watching the NFL.

I don't take shots at other teams QB's you did. I said I wouldn't. I didn't and haven't compared Eli and Bob ,they're different I fully admit that and have said nothing different, Eli is elite like it or not ,I like Bob he is a good young QB and exciting to watch but if he is not on the field he'll never be elite not a shot (as you would say) just a fact and one more thing I have NEVER in any post EVER wished or hope a player gets hurt Thing is you keep screaming Marino , so what he never won a super bowl so yeah I don't consider him as elite. As was pointed out before to say Eli is inferior is ignorant in any real discussion of current or past QB's.

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You said I delusional about Skins Fans , not in a min ! I wouldn't be here if I was the fans here love their team and I respect that but my comments are to you not all skins fans . Skins Fans are great fans as are Giant fans.

Why do I feel that every time you call our QB "Bob" that you're taking a shot at us and him? I think it's your way of making a derogatory remark and don't be surprised if we react badly to that.

Your continued rants about Eli's eliteness would play a lot better on a Giants message board rather than here, and that's where I suggest you take them. I mean you're just wrong when you assert he's better than Brees for example, so take your arguments/discussion where they would be welcomed, not here.

And I was around when Rypien and Williams were successful here. There's nobody that thought they were in the same class as Montana, for example. So you're just dead wrong when you whistle that tune...

The most constructive thing you could do for at least a little while is go away and play in your own playground, with your Giants friends.

Eli is not an elite QB. He's too streaky of a passer, still makes throws a rookie would make. There is no way you put him in the class of Brady, Rogers, Brees...he's just not that level of QB.

I fully understand the discussion of whether Eli is Elite or not is a perspective thing but this started when HG28 put him in the class with Rivers and Romo , Stafford , Dalton ...post #98 . One super bowl victory might be luck, 2 is not !

As I said back in post #81 of this thread , that it depends on what criteria is being used for the list .Stats for other positions might determine the best , kickers , receivers ,etc but as for QB's and coach's its winning championships that matter a fact the NFL network has been pushing as of late.

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When I think "elite" I just dont think of Eli. He's not consistent enough. Right now: Peyton, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are my elites. Eli is just on the outside looking in, Id probably rank him 6 or 7 best QB in the league right now.

When I think "elite" I just dont think of Eli. He's not consistent enough. Right now: Peyton, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are my elites. Eli is just on the outside looking in, Id probably rank him 6 or 7 best QB in the league right now.

And there's what I posted about Rivers, Rothlisberger might deserve consideration for #6-7, Flacco.... Eli may be top 10, if you don't consider guys like Newton, Kaep, RGIII, RW, and Luck.

LOL , wow. Other then Tom , Ben , and Eli name a current QB with 2 super bowl wins ?

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LOL , wow. Other then Tom , Ben , and Eli name a current QB with 2 super bowl wins ?

I'm all about SBs but remember Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, etc have won super bowls. I agree that ELI is a top 10 QB as I've said before but I don't consider him in the Brady or PM class because those guys give u the same great play week in and out. Both never miss the playoffs and both are always high TD/INT ratio

It's more to create headlines and debate, if the list didn't have any crazy placements no one would be talking about it. If he didn't slight RG3 a little bit, no one here would care. Debate and arguements give it alot of attention.