The sludge always sinks to the bottom. This is indicative of the warped culture T***p has been cultivating and trying to exploit with the help of useful idiots like R.B. It's good to see a big corporation doing the right thing for whatever the reason.

Trump models the behavior, other bigots think their time has come and they can do it also. And though Trump is still in office, most of the rest of them get what's coming to them. Swiftly. He will get his comeuppance also. It's just taking a bit longer than we hoped.

There is a thing that happens, particularly in the South, but not exclusively. It happened again last week - I was in a store looking for something and realized they only offer it online, to order for pickup later. "Would you like me to order it?" the clerk asked. "No, I know that Walmart has it in stock, though I hate to shop at Walmart." I had a couple of other stops and would look there first. I made some further remark about Walmart, to the effect that any time someone drives onto the property their IQ drops 20 points. All of us - it's just that kind of place. The older man next to me leaned over as a confidant and started to quietly tell me about something "black people do" at Walmart. The question is - to be polite to this old bigot? He thinks he sees a like-minded individual in my white face. "I'm sorry, I wasn't talking about race." I should have told him to shut it down, he was being a racist.

Her mental health issues are well known and she has usually gotten cut some slack around her outbursts-- but this one (yay!) ... too much to stomach. And a healthy light shown (media) on the frequent SLANT of the outbursts. Not cool, Rosie! BuhBYE!

I haven't watched the re-boot of the show. Not since the name of Trump was invoked. The original show was one of the best on TV, but I couldn't stand watching the new version knowing she was a Trump supporter. The problem is, when you follow people who are racists, and who spew racist comments, you start believing that's normal, and try it yourself, and, well, YOU don't have droves of brainless, hate-filled minions backing you up, and your TV show gets cancelled, and previous friends figure out what you're really about, and desert you.

The thing about the employees is that Barr has enough wacko history they knew they were hitching their wagons to an unreliable leader. Those who were lower down the rungs of the production - one has to ask where unions come into this and if production companies with more than one project in the works can redistribute staff. Just a thought. But for those at the top of that food chain, they knew what they were signing on for, and the crash can't be a surprise. It was inevitable, considering the political positions she espouses.

The IQ thing - it's something in the air. The way the store is set up, how they market themselves, customers can easily overlook major corporate flaws. Like putting companies out of business to try to get them to give the Walton Family corporation bragging rights about low prices.

First time round Roseanne was a great show, and Roseanne Barr came across very well herself. We haven't had the retread here in the UK, and I don't imagine we will, and from what I've heard I decided not to bother hunting it down on the Internet.

Sad what's happened to her. But I suppose that's just a reflection of what's happened to her country.

As for the people who worked on her show, and are, apparently, losing their jobs: yes, it's no doubt distressing for them, and it's not fair - but every day people lose their jobs, unexpectedly, and it's not fair. The situation of these people is probably no worse than that of most.

pardon me for excusing (in any supposed way) but she did say to her supporters "not to complain about the cancellation on her behalf".

The engineer in me has to note all facts. The cynic in me has analysed it as a desperate attempt at mitigation. And I see her only avenue now is to pander to her (and Twitler's) constituency. Or retire and live on what she has - probably still well heeled. Not having the adulation and creative outlet is not punishment enough.

I don't think it's worth a separate thread so I'm including it here for balance. Samantha Bee of 'Full Frontal' has issued an apology for her description of the President's older daughter. So far it appears that she's keeping her job which I watch as often as I can, but it's early days yet.

I think the cases have a lot in common regarding tastefulness of the remarks, but the shows relative to each actor are very different.

IMO considering these two stories together is based on a false equivalency Trump supporters tried to implant. The only way they truly relate at all is that it matters not to descend to the racist low evinced by Trump, Barr et al when claiming high ground.

The Samantha Bee story has an interesting parallel from the 90's. a "major personality" called Hillary a "c--t" and never apologized. He has been invited to the T---p White House on at least one occasion. Has the standard of acceptability changed?

As far as the Walmart Education program goes, this has been an ongoing story for several years. While I am glad that they are subsidizing vocational education I would be happier if they were paying their employees enough to allow them to attend the college of their choice and study the major of their choice. Even with the Affordable Care Act many of their "Associates" cannot afford health insurance; many of them also public assistance such as food stamps to survive.

Calling a minor rock guitarist (the deplorable Ted Nugent) a "major personality" is a joke. The guy has the personality of a cornered badger.

Sally Field came out in Samantha Bee's defense, tweeting "I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a cunt. Cunts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest." Can't say I disagree.

Is this the same Roseanne I kept seeing in the early '80s, who annoyed me because I could decide weather to pronounce the first e? I gather the answer is no for the celebrity, tho it must be yes in the song.

It is not an equivalency, but the similarities combined with the differences and then compared with the folks who are drawing equivalencies is fascinating.

In the case of Samantha Bee, others have noted the main point, that her words, all of them, were in the script, so you can't blame Samantha Bee without including the writers and those who reviewed and approved the script.

Also, and here is a great place to note it, the 'c' word is far more objectionable and has a stronger sex connotation in the U.S. than in the U.K. The 'c' word shows up in the Derek and Clive records of the 60s, in many English crime movies (including one of my faves 'Sexy Beast') When it comes to Samantha Bee, I don't know since she's Canadian. I don't know the Canadian take on the word, and this may be moot because I don't know the minds or nationalities of the folks in the background of her show "Full Frontal".

I think the further implication she made about Ivanka and her father was in poor taste.

I favor her staying on the air, because I want to keep watching her show, but I feel the same about some other folks who've been purged in the fallout of #metoo.

Michael Moore's comment piece about it is well worth reading. Roseanne's tweeting disaster spree included him among the targets, and that makes more impressive the way that he reminds his readers that, whatever has happened to her as a person, and whatever factors in her life may lie behind it - and he gives some - she has in the past provided a voice for many people who have been ignored and devalued. And he does that without in any way excusing her.

I remember the old Roseanne show, and I watched it consistently. It was the only family centred American show I have ever been able to stomach, and it presented a side of America that nothing else did, and it was a side I liked. The new show I gather was pretty good, and retained a cutting edge.

Michael Moore suggests bringing it back,, without Roseanne, and that sounds a good idea.

"When it comes to Samantha Bee, I don't know since she's Canadian. I don't know the Canadian take on the word" -

I wasn't aware she is Canadian - not that she was any more than a name to me - but knowing that now, I, as a Canadian, am really surprised she could bring herself to utter that word in public. If that gives you an idea of the Canadian take on the word ... !

I haven't got the link, naughty me, for this story. An interview was conducted with some of the crew: one of them in the set design department.

There is a vivid description of the challenge of the first season of the rebooted/revived show. The initial idea was, What do you suppose the Conners' house looks like inside all these years later? Think they might have changed this here, or renovated that there ... what would the windows look like ... the couch ... the this, the that...

So something was worked out, and shown to the showrunner. Who threw his hands in the air and started screaming and hollering! Mistake! Huge mistake! Stop right there!!

The word from on high was to duplicate, as nearly as possible, exactly the way the living room and so on had been, twenty years ago.

Which, the crew designer made clear, was a genuine challenge: that couch isn't made anymore, the something-or-other no longer exists, the pattern in the fabric, and on, and on ...

It's one year later. The designer gets a job offer in May, when crews are all kind of scrambling around for work. "Thanks, but no thanks, I'm on the Roseanne show." The Tweet From Hell gets the show cancelled, and boom!

From this post it will be clear that I passed on the Roseanne show the first time around, or else the following would not have been news to me.

Glenn Quinn was a Dublin native who died of a heroin overdose. His acting career took him to US network television. Had I watched "Roseanne", I would have seen him. As it was, I remember him from the first season of "Angel," the "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spinoff. His character was killed off in the first season, which is kind of tough luck for an actor.

The Roseanne actors who are veterans from the first season have been outspoken about their memories of Glenn Quinn lately. As for me, I recall "Angel" lead actor, David Boreanaz, reminiscing about Glenn Quinn. Boreanaz was there for Quinn's live audition and he recalls that Quinn was so very funny that it broke him up, and Boreanaz is a true professional, he would not easily crack up laughing.

After Quinn's sad demise, Boreanaz allowed that he has never come to terms with the loss.

One report says that John Goodman will do TWO things in the coming network TV season:

a supporting role in an HBO series on (fictitious) televangelists; and "The Conners" at ABC.

Which makes me wonder. Maybe John Goodman is returning to ABC, as Dan Conner, with an idea to giving the character a proper send-off so that the younger Conners can carry on without his generation. They could kill Dan off a second time? Or Dan could show up long enough to explain/justify Roseanne's absence, then gracefully take his leave?

How sad, how worse than sad, it is when an actor fired from a television series decides to get his own back with a homemade video on Twitter.

Yes, Roseanne shot her mouth off, more than once, about being kicked off of her own show, and the provocative comments all got snapped up and reported on by the mass media. But even she knew that there was a line that she had crossed, and had better not cross again.

But the Oscar-winning actor with the stage name of Kevin Spacey (look it up, his real name is slightly different) who was fired from "House of Cards" on cable television BEFORE Roseanne Barr was fired from network television, ... it isn't enough that Spacey is facing criminal charges for acts so objectionable that even Roseanne knew not to go there; he still has to mouth off using the alter ego of the TV character who was killed off in the show.

We get that Kevin Spacey must be very angry indeed, but must he make a spectacle of himself -- literally.