Im just curious to find out what people think will happen to the subs this quarter. What kind of drop (or gain) are you predicting?

I know. But I just don't see why you would care so much if you quit the game and moved on?

But for the hell of it. 300-500k loss. Maybe even a gain if 5.4 turns out great with the supposedly 'new' feature coming

I cried alone every single night. It felt like every day that passed here stole another piece of my real life away. After i cried, I’d go and fight as hard as I could. My only thought was winning, moving forward, and getting stronger. — Asuna Yuuki

Well I like warcraft lore and I have had some really fun times playing the game. I just am bored of it right now. It just needs a fresh breath of air in it again.

Yeah, I'm still enjoying it! The new patch is not too far a way. I just got back into the game from a break. Maybe a break will be nice for you!

I cried alone every single night. It felt like every day that passed here stole another piece of my real life away. After i cried, I’d go and fight as hard as I could. My only thought was winning, moving forward, and getting stronger. — Asuna Yuuki

Game is close to 9 years old, competition is stiffer, almost all of the competition is F2P or B2P.

That doesn't always mean anything though. I mean Guild Wars 2 is an awesome F2P game but I see more people coming back to WoW now just because they miss the 'WoW' feeling. I almost gave up on WoW because of people and friends that left the game. But more of my guildies and RL friends are returning and it's making the game fun again! I don't care if it's getting old At least it's not abandoned!

I cried alone every single night. It felt like every day that passed here stole another piece of my real life away. After i cried, I’d go and fight as hard as I could. My only thought was winning, moving forward, and getting stronger. — Asuna Yuuki

I don't think the loss will be as extreme as Q1, however I think it could lose almost up to another 1 mil. Game still has a lot of subscribers though so meh nothing too bad.

i expect the drop to be 1mil + tbh.
Asia will prob have a smaller drop as prev. quarter.
But this time arround i expect a large drop on the west aswell.
Many people underestimate the dying servers and the lack of merges. WoW currently has WAAAY to many server for the activity it has.

It's interesting how a rhetorical question being well-answered doesn't keep people from being boring and repeating it.

"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson

I have this theory that Blizzard have deliberately made a big deal of the sub loses and have made sure they get a lot of coverage for it, so that more people will start talking about the game and more ex-players will get nostalgic or miss the game and want to resub.

Yeah I quit World of Crapcraft a long time ago. I just got bored with how repetitive it is and how there is nothing to do unless you are a basement dwelling nolifer who spends hours of time in that game.

I have since moved on to greener pastures and now I am happily playing Guildwars 2, Rift, and SWToR

Oh look a statement by the OP of this thread talking about "Crapcraft" and promoting other games with ZERO subscriptions.

NADA, ZERO, NOIGHT, NULL, NILL, NUL, subscriptions in these other copycats but the hate dude wants to know active paid subs in what he calls "Crapcraft"

These threads tend to be instigated by people who keep repeating that: "Blizzard has 8,5 million WoW subscribers!"

They don't. They got approximately 3 to 3,5 million WoW subscribers... because 5 million WoW 'subscribers' belong to NetEase China of which Blizzard barely sees a penny...

If you want to compare WoW with other MMOs then use the 3,5M number ... and realize that other games like GW2 aren't too far away from that number, that F2P games like LoL dwarf that number.

Secondly, people keep using the number as somehow an argument of quality and activity. Well ... like others pointed out, there are perhaps 20 decently populated realms (with major faction imbalances on all of them), and tons of other realms that are basically dead ... on the brink of dead. Your chance of coming across another person while you play the game on those servers are very very low... But if you go play GW2, Rift or NWO you'll be surrounded by people and activity, looking to do group quests, dungeons etc even at low levels.

So indeed, who the fuck gives a damn that Blizzard has 3,5M WoW subscribers when the realms and gameplay feels less MMO and less lively than other F2P games???

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The best part is always watching the right wing rage on social media and getting banned.

These threads tend to be instigated by people who keep repeating that: "Blizzard has 8,5 million WoW subscribers!"

They don't. They got approximately 3 to 3,5 million WoW subscribers... because 5 million WoW 'subscribers' belong to NetEase China of which Blizzard barely sees a penny...

If you want to compare WoW with other MMOs then use the 3,5M number ... and realize that other games like GW2 aren't too far away from that number, that F2P games like LoL dwarf that number.

Secondly, people keep using the number as somehow an argument of quality and activity. Well ... like others pointed out, there are perhaps 20 decently populated realms (with major faction imbalances on all of them), and tons of other realms that are basically dead ... on the brink of dead. Your chance of coming across another person while you play the game on those servers are very very low... But if you go play GW2, Rift or NWO you'll be surrounded by people and activity, looking to do group quests, dungeons etc even at low levels.

So indeed, who the fuck gives a damn that Blizzard has 3,5M WoW subscribers when the realms and gameplay feels less MMO and less lively than other F2P games???

You lost the discussion.

Why? Because Blizzard is a stock rated company and the first quarter published showedthe MMO part brought in ... 240 million dollars.

So your 3 million western subs "guess" is wrong since 3 million would NEVER bring in 240 million bucks in 3 months.

Btw: Blizzard as a stock rated company can not lie about that revenue.

Even back in its heyday, some people used to quit WoW in May for the summer. This alongwith the downward spiral WoW has entered will probably fetch a substantial decrease in subs. An additional one million subs lost (about 12% of what Blizzard claim to be their cuurent sub base) is reasonable and even conservative.

Veteran vanilla player - I was 31 back in 2005 when I started playing WoW - Nostalrius raider with a top raid guild.

Amount of income from PC Subscriptions (WoW and Call of Duty Gold Membership) in Q1 2013 was 93M ...
(Page 11 of the report) ... let's assume that 100% of that is WoW (and ignore CoD's contribution), that is 31M per month ... which at 15dollars a month of subscription would leave us with just a bit over 2M subscribers ... but that's not true ofcourse, since many people use other payment plans (3- or 6-monthly), so with an average of 10 dollars a month that leaves us a little over 3M subscribers.

Ergo 3M WoW subscribers is the best estimate we can have for Blizzard. (5M WoW subscribers belonging to NetEase).

The best part is always watching the right wing rage on social media and getting banned.

Amount of income from PC Subscriptions (WoW and Call of Duty Gold Membership) in Q1 2013 was 93M ...
(Page 11 of the report) ... let's assume that 100% of that is WoW (and ignore CoD's contribution), that is 31M per month ... which at 15dollars a month of subscription would leave us with just a bit over 2M subscribers ... but that's not true ofcourse, since many people use other payment plans (3- or 6-monthly), so with an average of 10 dollars a month that leaves us a little over 3M subscribers.

Ergo 3M WoW subscribers is the best estimate we can have for Blizzard. (5M WoW subscribers belonging to NetEase).

Yes, exactly!

*Applause*

I get so tired of people hearing saying Blizzard has 8,3 million subscribers when we know that 5M of those are chinese of which Blizzard doesn't earn much at all.