S&F for you, easynow, a very good post and subject matter. the movie was great, wasn't it? I drove with some friends to a city some 50 miles
from home, my friend had this 1964 Mercedes car that was really neat. I have to believe these real incidents are because of Wright-Patterson Air Force
Base, and Project Serpio.

Aliens/UFOs held at Wright Patterson Air Field, Ohio ?

thanks autowrench , great post my friend

yes the close encounters movie is one of my favorites. i think it's the best one of them all. i wish they would make another one that compares to it.
64 Mercedes ? yea that is a sweet ole car , i had some good times back in my high school day's cruising around in one of those. wow that brings
back some memories !

not sure about the project Serpo stuff but i think there is something to that Air Force base. there have been many stories about it. check out this
video, you might like it ?

In reference to "Trumbull County incident" I grew up in this part of Ohio and remember when this happened I was 12 at the time. It was a really big
deal for about a week and then you didn't hear anything else about it, nil nada zip zilch. No one reported on it, no one talked about it, it was like
it didn't happen.

Incidentally, there are a number of strange "things" around that area of Ohio especially on Kings Grave Rd, and the surrounding areas. There is
Ravenna Arsenal, which is a now defunct munitions plant and current National Guard base, but it stretches across 4 different counties and is HEAVILY
guarded at all times despite the appearance of a run down base

There are also a number of small airfields, and in Levitsburg there was a NASA research facility (Locally called NASA Space Center but the actual name
I don't remember. In the town I grew up in, Niles, which is on the flight path of the Trumbull County Incident UFO ( I didn't see it ) we had a
titanium plant that made parts for the space shuttle

Getting back to Kings Grave RD, there is a section of it I believe it is Sodom-Hutchings Rd ( been a long time so not quite sure) that is also HEAVILY
patrolled not only by local police but by state police as well and unmarked but clearly military vehicles. It was a big thing as a teenage to grab
some people and head back there as there was all kinds of "spook" stories about that area, however it was also dangerous as well because the police
would "politely" escort you back to the main road if you were caught back there without a really really good reason, and since there was nothing
back there but fields ( not grain or corn ...just empty fields) you never had a good excuse.

Now there are houses and stuff back there, but not near where you could get busted for being. I haven't thought about that place in ages since I left
Ohio when I turned 18 and haven't been back so its really surreal to see my home town area pop up on the radar here, small world.

it's nice to hear from someone that actually lived there when this happened. you wouldn't by chance have any newspaper articles from then or any
other kind of documents about this case ? thought i would ask even though it's been a long time ago.

since you are familiar with the area there i thought you might be interested to know about this other ufo sighting that happened in December 2008 in
Empire & Midvale, Ohio

The encounter started as Comstock was driving and saw other cars pulled over on the side of the road.

Howe quoted Comstock as saying, "As I was driving along the route, I noticed there were a couple of cars alongside the road with their lights still
on. People were standing outside their car and that peaked my curiosity about what was going on. I looked in the direction that they were looking,
which was toward the top of a rather large hill."

Comstock told Howe, "I looked up and there was a very bright object just above the tree level. I can't really say for sure what it was because I've
never seen anything like it."

"It seemed self-luminescent. It was about the size of a large pickup truck and it was very bright whenever I looked at it. That's really what caught
my attention."

"Five or six cars" were pulled over, Comstock stated. "The people standing there looked like they were stuck, just transfixed watching the objects.
They weren't moving. They were just standing almost completely still."

"They were pretty awestruck. And it was extremely close to the small town of Empire, Ohio. I don't know if people there saw it. Maybe it was too
late at night."

'SOMETHING ORGANIC'

"It didn't look like anything mechanical by any means. To me, it looked like a cocoon," Comstock told Howe.

"When I saw it, I was trying to take everything in and that's immediately what I thought when I saw it – that it was organic. That's the feeling
that I got. I didn't think it could be anything else. It just came across as something organic."

Comstock said that as the object rose, he was able to see the larger object from the light given off by the smaller ascending object. The larger
object with the bluish lights seemed to be basically stationary, Comstock said.

"As long as I had it [brightly-lit smaller object] in my field of vision, it seemed like it might have risen from above the tree line, I would
say a couple thousand feet."

"It was a white light with a little bit of orange inside of it. It had a little bit of red and the shape just seemed so strange to me because it
seemed like a biological shape. As I watched that shape, it was rising upward," Comstock stated.

"As I looked above that, I saw a pattern of three bluish-colored lights. They weren't flickering like a star. They were in some kind of sequence,
but they were all in tune with each other. They were very large lights. They were definitely not stars."

"I'm judging this because I was in the military and worked on helicopters, so I can tell this was pretty low because a couple of thousand feet seems
like a lot, but it's really not," he said.

"It seemed like it rose a few thousand feet and then the craft – by the time I lost sight of it – it seems like it might have been maybe 500 feet
from whatever the object was above it. So it was definitely getting closer to the triangular craft that was drawing it in," Comstock told Howe.

"As the large white-orange object was rising up, it looked like it was going into the center of the triangle of blue lights. At first glance when I
saw the triangle of lights and rising, glowing object, I could not process what was going on."

"As the white-orange object got closer to the triangle of lights, I could see from reflected light that the underside of the inside of the triangle
pattern of blue lights was one object – one very, very large object. When I saw it with my naked eye, I saw the bottom of the craft and it looked
like it was very flat."

Comstock described the color of the larger craft above to Howe as being dark gray or black. He said he thought it had a crystalline type of surface
that reminded him of a "cracked open piece of coal."
"It was big. About the size of a large shopping mall and parking lot."

No, that was almost 10 years ago, and when I was that age I didn't save stuff like that as far as the other sighting I had never heard of it but then
again I have not been back to Ohio since I left, what I do know of that area is that Midvale and Empire are both really really small towns in farm
country, I've been through the area but never really stopped or anything.

From August 1949 to March of 1950, thousands of people reported seeing a UFO in the sky over
Norwood, Ohio. witnesses included Priests,
Scientists, Civilians, Police officers and Military personel. a searchlight that was present at a local carnival was beaming it's light into the sky
when the disc shaped UFO was first seen. this began a series of sightings that was photographed and video recorded. it was reported in the local
newspapers and had many people puzzled as to what the object was. according to the story this case was not included in the
Project Grudge files.

On August 19, 1949, during the Jitney Carnival at the St. Peter and Paul Church in Norwood, Cincinatti Ohio, Reverend Gregory Miller, pastor of
the church had purchased from army surplus, an 8 million candle power searchlight. Sergeant Donald R. Berger of ROTC of the University of Cincinnati
would operate it. During the height of the festivities, at 08:15pm, Sgt. Berger's sweeping searchlight suddenly flashed across a stationary circular
object in the sky. Reverend Miller and later others joined in and observed. This was only the beginning.

"So, what reason would the police officers
have for lying in the above case? Are their identification skills
really as poor as the "final?" explanations tried to make them out to be?
In some instances, there were numerous witnesses that confirmed exactly what the officers reported.
The technology reported back then still has not been displayed in any military arena by
any government we know, and the Air Force explanations for some of
the better sightings left much to be desired."

After "i saw the dam thing my entire life came crashing down around my shoulders" Spaur told a reporter in 1967

he said he saw the saucer code named "Floyd" one more time before he quit his job. he believed that FLoyd was following him

Special Deputy W.L. Neff was with Spaur on April 17, 1966 when the unidentified flying object reportedly rose directly over the patrol car ,
releasing heat and a light so intense it made tears stream from the eyes of both men UFO Case Still Goes
Unsolved (Reading Eagle 5/31/1972)

An 86-mile high-speed chase after an unidentified flying object (UFO) ended in Conway Sunday morning nearly an hour after it began in Ohio.

Conway Patrolman Frank Panzanella said he saw what prompted two Sheriff's Deputies and a Policeman from Ohio to drive at Speeds 80-105 Mph in pursuit
of the "flying saucer"

two deputies from Portage county Ohio Dale Spaur and W.L. Neff began the chase shortly after 5 a.m. on Ohio Route 224 near Atwater south of Akron and
southeast of Ravenna , the Portage county seat.

at about the same time Police Chief Gerald Butchert of Mantua Ohio snapped a photo of the object from some distance while he and his wife stood in
their front yard about ten miles north of Ravenna. Beaver County Times
4/18/1966

The United States Air Force has reopened it's books on the recent "chase" of an unidentified flying object (UFO) from Ravenna, Ohio to Conway

An Air Force spokesman admitted to Ohio Congressman William Stanton late week that the Air Force made an "error " in not investigating the April
17th UFO chase.

Stanton was told that investigators from project Blue Book, the Air Force's investigative unit on UFO sightings at Wright Patterson AFB, Dayton,
would be sent to Portage County, Ohio, this week.

Lt. Col. John Spaulding director of the community relations division of the Air Force, told Stanton the primary reason for failure to investigate the
sighting at the time was lack of manpower in Project Blue Book.

"i was amazed to find that they have only four men assigned to Project Blue Book, " Stanton said.

in addition to Spaur, Neff, Hustan, Panzanella and Buchert, Weitzel has statements signed by three to five other Policeman who saw what they
believe was the same object that morning.

Two Salem, Ohio Policeman saw three jets chasing the object. Spaur and Panzanella said they heard police radio reports that morning about jets being
sent up to investigate. Beaver County Times
5/9/1966

Aftermath of a Sighting

it all began routinely, on the night of April 16, 1966 when Spaur a deputy sheriff, together with Wilber Neff were dispatched to answer a call about a
car that had sheared a utility pole near Atwater Center, Ohio.

while they were engaged in straightening out the mess, their Police radio reported that a woman in Summit County, west of Portage, had called in about
a brightly lighted object "as big as a house" flying over her neighborhood. it was 4:45 a.m.

the first reaction was to make jokes and ignore the call. but when heading along Rt. 224 they saw an abandoned car and stopped to investigate, it was
time to take things more seriously.

Spaur saw something rising from behind the trees. he watched it come towards them, getting brighter as it did so, and he called to Neff to look over
his shoulder.

"he didn't say nothing, he just stood there with his mouth open for a minute," wrote Spaur in his report. then as the "thing" got very bright,
both men had to lower their gaze.

"i started looking down. i looked at my hands, and my clothes weren't burning or anything when it stopped right over on top of us. the only thing,
the only sound in the whole area was a hum... it sounded like a transformer being loaded. i was pretty scared for a couple of minutes, as a matter of
fact i was petrified"

the two men dashed for safety of their cruiser and the UFO moved off to the east. Spaur called in on the radio to report that the "bright light" was
right there - and the order came back "shoot it !"

3 military pilots chased after the UFOs. Vital live witnesses if they can be found. They are humans, not robots. Why are they keeping silent after so
many years? Where are they? Which airbase do they hail from? Who were their officers and fellow pilots? I am sure they would have discussed about
it.

They would have retired by now and out of the airforce. Or had they been 'conveniently' sent to 'Nam by the Corporations to fight the war and no
longer of this Earth?

In one of the links about the case it even states that the scientific advisor to Project Bluebook (Dr Hyneck) debunked the 'Venus explanation' yet
the military decided to keep with it.

The most intriguing piece, however, came from Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the Air Force consultant. Hynek noted that Venus had risen at 3:35 that
morning and would have been too high in the sky, by the time of the sightings, to be mistaken for an aircraft..

Easynow, just watched that video and the testimony from USAF secretary June Mcrain (around 2:30) is very interesting -thanks for sharing that one.

"They frequently saw them (UFOs) and then told me, I'm positive that there were three crashes by 1952".
June Mcrain -Wright Patterson Secretary 1941-1952
June 27th 1997 -Interview with Police Sgt Clarkson.

Originally posted by karl 12
Easynow, just watched that video and the testimony from USAF secretary June Mcrain (around 2:30) is very interesting -thanks for sharing that one.

"They frequently saw them (UFOs) and then told me, I'm positive that there were three crashes by 1952".
June Mcrain -Wright Patterson Secretary 1941-1952
June 27th 1997 -Interview with Police Sgt Clarkson.

Heres a full interview with June Crain (pdf file) and she makes some pretty remarkable comments.

Interesting photograph taken of a UFO in Ohio one year earlier - could be Floyd.

Athens, Ohio, 1965:

At approximately 8 PM on 12 July 1965 J. Douglas Stewart of 100 Second St. Athens Ohio took this picture with a Pentax camera with 135mm lens
with a 1.8x Barlow creating a focal length of 243 mm. The film was Kodak Plus-X 35mm film, which was underdeveloped to reduce image contrast.
(developed in D-76, 1:4) This entire event was witnesses by Dr. and Mrs. William. Stehr, Mrs. Claud Kantner and Mrs. Scott Wilson.

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