rynthetyn:browntimmy: Wayne 985: rynthetyn: worlddan: If either Mumford and Sons or the Lumineers win anything I'll declare music dead.

/Must be the only TCW fan who despises both groups.

I like Mumford and Sons but Frank Ocean deserves to win everything this year. I don't even really like his genre (R&B makes me feel cranky for some reason), but Channel Orange was a great album.

Ditto. I just bought it today and it's amazing.

Judging by his performance and song at the Grammys, he doesn't deserve a record deal. It wasn't just bad, it was embarrassing. I caught him on Saturday Night Live awhile back too and had the thought, "You know when you see really old reruns of SNL and the musical guest makes you go, 'Well we know why we never heard from them again', this is just like that."

His public performances are hit and miss, but his album is brilliant. It probably didn't help matters that he was doing a song where he was trying to play piano and his finger is still busted up from getting into the fight with Chris Brown.

Really though, listen to the album, there's a reason why it's on top of everybody's best-of lists for 2012.

it's called producers and studio musicians. They can clean up anyone these days.

Wayne 985:rynthetyn: worlddan: If either Mumford and Sons or the Lumineers win anything I'll declare music dead.

/Must be the only TCW fan who despises both groups.

I like Mumford and Sons but Frank Ocean deserves to win everything this year. I don't even really like his genre (R&B makes me feel cranky for some reason), but Channel Orange was a great album.

Ditto. I just bought it today and it's amazing.

Judging by his performance and song at the Grammys, he doesn't deserve a record deal. It wasn't just bad, it was embarrassing. I caught him on Saturday Night Live awhile back too and had the thought, "You know when you see really old reruns of SNL and the musical guest makes you go, 'Well we know why we never heard from them again', this is just like that."

stanhapsburg:Byno: Mumford and Sons reveal to mainstream America what we knew all along: they farking suck.

I'll save you some time, wannabe hipsters: all their other songs sound just like that.

It was a bit like a bluegrass tour bus crashed into an Irish pub full of stoners.

I think Pokey LaFarge's critique of them was spot-on.

"For us folkies, and maybe this arrogant, but I think a lot of people are rubbed the wrong way by bands like Mumford and Sons," LaFarge says. "I think they're people who are somewhat exploiting certain forms of music rather than honing it in and evolving from it. I think it's more like dipping in the well and snatching and grabbing."

JerseyTim:Every modern country song by a guy sounds like a yodeling dog to me.

I sound like a homer here, but Hunter Hayes is one of those guys who's been on stage since he was like, 4. He played an accordion bigger than he was. And he (reportedly, but I'd believe it) played every instrumental part on his album, from drums to piano. And he's opened for Carrie Underwood and Taylor Swift.

He kinda blows everyone else out of the water, He just can't be pigeonholed very well.

They didn't start winning awards and accolades for Appetite until two years after the album was released. Because unlike the Oscars/Emmys/Golden Globes, the Grammies, Brits, AMW, MTVA and PCA don't recognize when music is released, they always recognize when it gets popular. Appetite for Destruction actually sat on the shelves for 10 months collecting dust until MTV discovered Sweet Child o' Mine and began caning it incessantly.... AND THEN the album shot to another one. AND THEN sports arenas wore out Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise City incessantly. AND THEN the brass start noticing.

So you have Slash and Izzy absolutely shiatfaced winning awards in 1990 for an Album they released in 1987.

The music industry is farked and has always been farked, and it's never been truly representative of what the people actually like and listen to (I suppose you could say that about all awards shows, but at least the Oscars tries to have some integrity). It's been farked ever since the very first year when Alvin & The Chipmunks won three awards.

That's right. The 1950s equivalent of the farking jingle cats took home the most Grammies in its inaugural year.