cx18: PAL support on 1388?

I was wondering if you could confirm that the HVR-1600 1388 model can support PAL capture from the analog S-Video/RCA composite inputs? Also, does the analog tuner support PAL? I have seen output in the driver that suggests PAL support but I was wondering if it varied by card or if the tuner and encoder are multi-format on all models.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Campbell <jac1dlists [at] gmail> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I was wondering if you could confirm that the HVR-1600 1388 model can > support PAL capture from the analog S-Video/RCA composite inputs? Also, > does the analog tuner support PAL? I have seen output in the driver that > suggests PAL support but I was wondering if it varied by card or if the > tuner and encoder are multi-format on all models.

Hi Jeff,

Kernel Labs did some validation of the 1600 for a PAL commercial customer a few months ago. Whether PAL is supported is largely dependent on whether you have the new 1600 design (released about a year ago), or whether it's a legacy board. The new design has an tda18271, which does support PAL. The older version (which has a can tuner) does not.

I'll have to check with Steven in terms of whether he had to make any fixes, and if so whether they got upstream.

Great news, thanks for the update Devin. I believe the 1388 is the newer version, that was the one I sent Andy a board for that required a few tweaks.

I will be interested to hear about the merge of support. I assume that applies both to tuner as well as analog capture support, or is it only a question of whether tuner support is present for PAL, as analog was always supported?

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jeff Campbell <jac1dlists [at] gmail> > wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > I was wondering if you could confirm that the HVR-1600 1388 model can > > support PAL capture from the analog S-Video/RCA composite inputs? Also, > > does the analog tuner support PAL? I have seen output in the driver that > > suggests PAL support but I was wondering if it varied by card or if the > > tuner and encoder are multi-format on all models. > > Hi Jeff, > > Kernel Labs did some validation of the 1600 for a PAL commercial > customer a few months ago. Whether PAL is supported is largely > dependent on whether you have the new 1600 design (released about a > year ago), or whether it's a legacy board. The new design has an > tda18271, which does support PAL. The older version (which has a can > tuner) does not. > > I'll have to check with Steven in terms of whether he had to make any > fixes, and if so whether they got upstream. > > Devin > > -- > Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs > http://www.kernellabs.com> > _______________________________________________ > ivtv-users mailing list > ivtv-users [at] ivtvdriver > http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users>

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Campbell <jac1dlists [at] gmail> wrote: > Great news, thanks for the update Devin. I believe the 1388 is the newer > version, that was the one I sent Andy a board for that required a few > tweaks. > > I will be interested to hear about the merge of support. I assume that > applies both to tuner as well as analog capture support, or is it only a > question of whether tuner support is present for PAL, as analog was always > supported?

As I'm sure you know, analog support is typically comes in two forms: analog via the tuner, and analog via the composite/s-video inputs. I'm pretty sure that both are supported now in the existing upstream tree, although I believe Steven also did some tweaks to improve picture quality that I am not sure have been merged.

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Campbell <jac1dlists [at] gmail> > wrote: > > Great news, thanks for the update Devin. I believe the 1388 is the newer > > version, that was the one I sent Andy a board for that required a few > > tweaks. > > > > I will be interested to hear about the merge of support. I assume that > > applies both to tuner as well as analog capture support, or is it only a > > question of whether tuner support is present for PAL, as analog was > always > > supported? > > As I'm sure you know, analog support is typically comes in two forms: > analog via the tuner, and analog via the composite/s-video inputs. > I'm pretty sure that both are supported now in the existing upstream > tree, although I believe Steven also did some tweaks to improve > picture quality that I am not sure have been merged. > > Devin > > -- > Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs > http://www.kernellabs.com> > _______________________________________________ > ivtv-users mailing list > ivtv-users [at] ivtvdriver > http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users>

>Excellent, thanks for the further detail Devin. I am happy to very the >patches against another install and report back. > >On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Devin Heitmueller < >dheitmueller [at] kernellabs> wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Campbell ><jac1dlists [at] gmail> >> wrote: >> > Great news, thanks for the update Devin. I believe the 1388 is the >newer >> > version, that was the one I sent Andy a board for that required a >few >> > tweaks. >> > >> > I will be interested to hear about the merge of support. I assume >that >> > applies both to tuner as well as analog capture support, or is it >only a >> > question of whether tuner support is present for PAL, as analog was >> always >> > supported? >> >> As I'm sure you know, analog support is typically comes in two forms: >> analog via the tuner, and analog via the composite/s-video inputs. >> I'm pretty sure that both are supported now in the existing upstream >> tree, although I believe Steven also did some tweaks to improve >> picture quality that I am not sure have been merged. >> >> Devin >> >> -- >> Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs >> http://www.kernellabs.com>> >> _______________________________________________ >> ivtv-users mailing list >> ivtv-users [at] ivtvdriver >> http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users>> >_______________________________________________ >ivtv-users mailing list >ivtv-users [at] ivtvdriver >http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users

PAL has always been support on CVBS and S-Video inputs.

Only the newer HVR-1600's with the tda18(mumble) tuner support PAL via analog RF. That should be the 1388's.

I have not received or seen any patches from Steven, although I did have some IRC chats with him to answer some questions when he was working on them.

> > PAL has always been support on CVBS and S-Video inputs. > > Only the newer HVR-1600's with the tda18(mumble) tuner support PAL via > analog RF. That should be the 1388's. > > I have not received or seen any patches from Steven, although I did have > some IRC chats with him to answer some questions when he was working on > them. > > Regards,. > Andy >

Excellent, thanks for the confirmation Andy. So we shouldn't need to update the driver if we are working in a stable fashion with the 1388, unless we need the RF input operational. That is good to know.

> Excellent, thanks for the confirmation Andy. So we shouldn't need to > update the driver if we are working in a stable fashion with the 1388, > unless we need the RF input operational. That is good to know.

Just to clarify, you should have PAL via RF with the HVR-1600 1388 with the stable driver right now. Note that the cx18 driver sets the RF tuner to NTSC-M as a default, since North America is the primary market for the HVR-1600.

BTW, Hans verified PAL-BG/DK/I/M/Nc via RF with the HVR-1600 1388. You might have an email from him dated 10 June 2011.

> On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 09:12 -0700, Jeff Campbell wrote: > > > > > > Excellent, thanks for the confirmation Andy. So we shouldn't need to > > update the driver if we are working in a stable fashion with the 1388, > > unless we need the RF input operational. That is good to know. > > > Just to clarify, you should have PAL via RF with the HVR-1600 1388 with > the stable driver right now. Note that the cx18 driver sets the RF > tuner to NTSC-M as a default, since North America is the primary market > for the HVR-1600. > > BTW, Hans verified PAL-BG/DK/I/M/Nc via RF with the HVR-1600 1388. You > might have an email from him dated 10 June 2011. > > Regards, > Andy > > Thanks Andy. For the sake of the archives, PAL support on the baseband inputs has been working for quite some time on all models of card, not just the 1388, correct?

>On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Andy Walls <awalls [at] md> >wrote: > >> On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 09:12 -0700, Jeff Campbell wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Excellent, thanks for the confirmation Andy. So we shouldn't need >to >> > update the driver if we are working in a stable fashion with the >1388, >> > unless we need the RF input operational. That is good to know. >> >> >> Just to clarify, you should have PAL via RF with the HVR-1600 1388 >with >> the stable driver right now. Note that the cx18 driver sets the RF >> tuner to NTSC-M as a default, since North America is the primary >market >> for the HVR-1600. >> >> BTW, Hans verified PAL-BG/DK/I/M/Nc via RF with the HVR-1600 1388. >You >> might have an email from him dated 10 June 2011. >> >> Regards, >> Andy >> >> >Thanks Andy. For the sake of the archives, PAL support on the baseband >inputs has been working for quite some time on all models of card, not >just >the 1388, correct? > >-Jeff >_______________________________________________ >ivtv-users mailing list >ivtv-users [at] ivtvdriver >http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users