Interesting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they woulddo would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligenceagencies, especially when those intelligence agencies have theircountry, dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

In the Navy, there's an expression commonly heard to describe manypeople's feeling about how useful re-organizations are. Rather thanidentifying and dealing with actual deficiencies, the bureaucracy doingthe re-organization is said to be re-arranging the deck chairs on theTitanic.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they woulddo would be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligenceagencies, especially when those intelligence agencies have theircountry, dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

In the Navy, there's an expression commonly heard to describe manypeople's feeling about how useful re-organizations are. Rather thanidentifying and dealing with actual deficiencies, the bureaucracy doingthe re-organization is said to be re-arranging the deck chairs on theTitanic.

We had slightly more colorful ways of expressing similar sentiments inthe Corps.

However, in this case, I am certain that "revamp" is a euphemism forhamstring or render ineffectual.

US intelligence agencies get a lot of criticism from idiots likeTrump. When you can't or won't discuss your successes; your enemiescan criticize you ad nauseam, paint you with a shit covered brush andassign you an undeserved bad reputation.

All by itself, the ELINT espionage conducted by USN submarines, inconcert with the CIA and NSA have probably saved the world, a halfdozen times, from nuclear Armageddon.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.

Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leakingout is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers andthey saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emailsconcerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)is more important than using those resources to stop the criminalhackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions fromAmericans every year.I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whetherHillary screwed Bernie last year.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leakingout is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers andthey saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emailsconcerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)is more important than using those resources to stop the criminalhackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions fromAmericans every year.I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whetherHillary screwed Bernie last year.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leakingout is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers andthey saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emailsconcerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)is more important than using those resources to stop the criminalhackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions fromAmericans every year.I am a lot more worried about crypto locker crooks than whetherHillary screwed Bernie last year.

The latest news I've heard is that the hacking of DNC computers may have been done by Russian nationals but not the Russian government. Russian hackers who are not connected with the Russian government or its spook agencies have been hacking into computers all over the world for nefarious reasons and often just out of curiosity. As you wrote, the hackers steal credit card numbers and defraud financial institutions out of millions in whatever currency they managed to poach. There is the British computer hacker Gary McKinnon who broke into a lot of U.S. government computer systems and he's not an agent of the UK. The feds want him because he embarrassed them not because he broke anything. It's the same thing with the Democrats/Commiecrats. The hackers, whoever they are, embarrassed the Democrats/Commiecrats and their poster girl Hitlery Clinton. Russians hackers did not get into voting machines and change the result of the November elections, the American people got into the voting machines and the Democrats/Commiecrats need to get over it, they lost big time. Go Wikileaks! ヽ(•‿•)ノ

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

I have been watching this pretty closely lately and what is leakingout is that the NSA may still be bugging domestic Email servers andthey saw the hack. Nobody wants to tell us that tho.I still want to know why this bullshit hack and the release of Emailsconcerning things we already know (there are dirty tricks in politics)is more important than using those resources to stop the criminalhackers in Russia who take millions or maybe even billions fromAmericans every year.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

We're his enemies?Wow, it's worse than I thought. ;)

Trump did specifically address many of us as his enemies. Even morebizarre, he did it in his New Year's greeting. He wished his supportersa Happy New Year, then went on to include talking about the people whodid not vote for him and his "enemies". Very, very bizarre. He;s sohateful and self-centered, that he can't even put out a normal, positive,uplifting, unifying New Year'smessage. With Nixon, we had to wait many years to learn of the enemieslist. Trump is already freely talking about them.

Post by Stormin' NormanInteresting, if an enemy nation state had planted a puppet aspresident of the United States, one of the first things they would dowould be to have their puppet marginalize US intelligence agencies,especially when those intelligence agencies have their country,dead-to-rights.From the Wall Street JournalDonald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agencyhttp://imgur.com/tffCDuQ

And does anyone believe Trump has really analyzed what is goingon with US intel before starting to change it? He hasn't evenhad his briefing on what US intel has on the Russian hacking,he refuses almost all of his presidential briefings. Very, verytroubling. You're right, he's acting like someone with an agendaother than making US intel better. To make it better, you'd haveto dig into it, understand it, figure it all out. To destroy it,no such analysis is necessary.Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.--Maggie

Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't haveone, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 mil rapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He'sexec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,because Trump isn't there anymore.

Post by trader_4Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't haveone, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 milrapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUStelling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world everymove the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.

Post by trader_4The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He'sexec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,because Trump isn't there anymore.

Post by trader_4Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't haveone, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 milrapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUStelling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world everymove the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.

I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whateverhe pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?So, likeObamacare, one day Trump is just going to say, Obamacare is gone,here is the new deal by my decree? Wow! We're further along the paththan I thought!

Post by trader_4The latest example of his narcissistic personality disorder came today,when he used Twitter to attack Arnold S and the Apprentice show. He'sexec producer and he attacked the show as no good now, Arnold no good,because Trump isn't there anymore.

I watched the show, and I'm not so impressed by Arnold, either.--Maggie

Post by trader_4Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't haveone, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 milrapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUStelling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world everymove the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.

I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whateverhe pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?

Since when is the media and/or public supposed to be read in on all thedetails that the president has to make decisions on? He has a job,which is different from the job of Congress, or any other position. Hedoesn't need or have to debate many issues that he is charged withmaking decisions on. The buck stops with him. It's no one elses job tobe president, and the different levels of government, along with all thechecks and balances involved work when people do their own jobs vs.trying to do someone elses job!

Trump can't do many things unless it's approved by Congress, so, why areyou running around like a nut ranting as if he's some sort of Hitler inthe making?? It seems to me you're just trying to find ways to saveface because of your own positions, so you have no choice but to rant.

Post by trader_4Trump being an ignoramus likely doesn't know what happened to thelast president that went to war with CIA.

Trump is NOT going to tell us his game plans - the enemies don't need toknow.

Trump can't tell anyone his game plan, because he either doesn't haveone, eg replacing Obamacare, or he has conflicting ones, eg deport 11 milrapists, now they are good people who we need to treat fairly, TBD, etc.

You won't "get" what he's doing until a couple weeks after he's done it,and you'll be wondering how you could have missed it. The days of POTUStelling the liberal media and, therefore, also telling the world everymove the US is going to make ahead of time is over. Let them wonder.

I see. So we live by rule by fiat now. Trump will just do whateverhe pleases, we will find out later. No more Congress? No more debate?

Since when is the media and/or public supposed to be read in on all thedetails that the president has to make decisions on?

Whenever it's a change in the law, at a minimum, obviously.You Trumpet types were sure bitching when Pelosi said Obamacarehad to be passed before the public could find out what was in it.

He has a job,

Post by Muggleswhich is different from the job of Congress, or any other position. Hedoesn't need or have to debate many issues that he is charged withmaking decisions on. The buck stops with him.

He can't cut taxes, build his wall, kill Obamacare, replace it withsomething else, do his new infrastructure spending, increase defensespending, increase our nuclear forces or many of the other thingshe's promised on his own. He needs the approval of Congress.Geez.

It's no one elses job to

Post by Mugglesbe president, and the different levels of government, along with all thechecks and balances involved work when people do their own jobs vs.trying to do someone elses job!

Total silliness.

Post by MugglesTrump can't do many things unless it's approved by Congress,

Well, make up your mind! First you say he can, then you admit hecan't.

so, why are

Post by Mugglesyou running around like a nut ranting as if he's some sort of Hitler inthe making??

Because he has a dangerous, cult like support, just like Hitler did.Because, just like with Hitler, his supporters are incapable of lookingat the facts of his irrational, narcissistic, bizarre behavior andinstead quickly compromise themselves, their principles and it'sAll hail Trump! Is he Hitler? No. But some of the same dangeroustraits, processes are there. The bizarre way that alleged conservativesflipped from viewing Putin and Russia as an enemy, to accepting anddefending not only Russia's actions, but also their hacking, meddlingin US elections is about a good example of this as it gets. IfHillary or Obama were siding with Russia, siding with Putin, thesame Trumpets would be calling them traitors.