Daedalus27:TV's Vinnie: Is there a "Code of the Convicts" that casts an un-approving eye on people like this? I know that child molesters have to be kept segregated from GenPop for obvious reasons. What about buttholes like this guy who do stuff like this?

Yes there are levels of criminals in prison. As you stated chile molestors typically are typically toward the bottom. Then there are gang drop outs, snitches, people who owe money/services/items and don't pay up who get negatve treatment. Assaults on women or elderly may be frowned upon by some but probably not to a great extent. The biggest knock on this criminal is he is a high profile criminal so as someone stated upthread, he may get attacked so someone can say they beat up on a supposed badass.

Stone Meadow:I've read several articles about this case and see nary a hint of how the police ID'd him, not to mention caught him. Anybody seen anything along those lines?

Nope. But he was on camera, he was just released from prison, and he has 12 prior felony convictions. I'd guess they either ID'd him from his fingerprints or a parole officer just recognized him on the tape.

While we're on the topic of monsters, meet Leon Davis, Jr., who poured gasoline over, and then burned alive two Hispanic women, one of them pregnant, and then shot off part of a Samaritan's facehttp://pysih.com/2007/12/15/leon-davis-jr/

lantawa:While we're on the topic of monsters, meet Leon Davis, Jr., who poured gasoline over, and then burned alive two Hispanic women, one of them pregnant, and then shot off part of a Samaritan's facehttp://pysih.com/2007/12/15/leon-davis-jr/

lantawa:While we're on the topic of monsters, meet Leon Davis, Jr., who poured gasoline over, and then burned alive two Hispanic women, one of them pregnant, and then shot off part of a Samaritan's facehttp://pysih.com/2007/12/15/leon-davis-jr/

I can't help but wonder if this woman got a gun from somewhere downstairs, while the guy went up stairs after beating her, then shot him prior to being beaten a second time and thrown down the stairs, would she would be facing 2nd degree murder,, or just manslaughter? Would a hate crime law be applicable in the case she was stereo typing who she shot or maybe even used insensitive language in the past?

smells_like_meat:TV's Vinnie: Is there a "Code of the Convicts" that casts an un-approving eye on people like this? I know that child molesters have to be kept segregated from GenPop for obvious reasons. What about buttholes like this guy who do stuff like this?

Nope. He beat up a white woman. The brothers will protect him.

You are 100% correct. My brother was a prison guard for a little over four years. He said it was the worst four years of his life. There really isn't much of a code with these guys. The main reason the child molesters are kept away from everyone is because they are easy targets.

This guy is a seasoned veteran who is brutal. He will live like a king in prison. He will have A/C, cable and plenty of weights to lift so he can get bigger and stronger he will likely brutalize others in prison. He will probably not do too much time. And that is a shame.

About the only positive in all this is that this was a high profile crime and a judge might try to make a name for himself by throwing the book at him.

I Browse:smells_like_meat: TV's Vinnie: Is there a "Code of the Convicts" that casts an un-approving eye on people like this? I know that child molesters have to be kept segregated from GenPop for obvious reasons. What about buttholes like this guy who do stuff like this?

Nope. He beat up a white woman. The brothers will protect him.

You think so? I don't. Skin color only gets you so far. If you're considered a biatch (which he will be), no one is going to have your back.

I'm thinking the fact that he mercilessly assaulted the woman while her 3-year-old daughter cowered on the couch may move him from "way to go, bro" to the "might as well be short eyes, biatch" category.

gunga galunga:I Browse: smells_like_meat: TV's Vinnie: Is there a "Code of the Convicts" that casts an un-approving eye on people like this? I know that child molesters have to be kept segregated from GenPop for obvious reasons. What about buttholes like this guy who do stuff like this?

Nope. He beat up a white woman. The brothers will protect him.

You think so? I don't. Skin color only gets you so far. If you're considered a biatch (which he will be), no one is going to have your back.

I'm thinking the fact that he mercilessly assaulted the woman while her 3-year-old daughter cowered on the couch may move him from "way to go, bro" to the "might as well be short eyes, biatch" category.

I know we would all like to believe this, but it just doesn't work that way. He'll do just fine in the joint.

I wonder if this guy will have a fat necked moron testifying in his favor at the trial. After all, he's just a baby. She probably called him a non PC word as he was walking to work, thus forfeiting her rights. She needs to check her privilige.

Bomb Mecca:I wonder if this guy will have a fat necked moron testifying in his favor at the trial. After all, he's just a baby. She probably called him a non PC word as he was walking to work, thus forfeiting her rights. She needs to check her privilige.

In another article the woman said that she didn't scream or cry because she was afraid her daughter would be even more scared... So she just took the beating.

That's one tough lady.

That is probably why he beat her so bad she did not validate his rage as manliness and beg and scream. Deviant Psychology is very interesting, it makes you realize who should really be on death row; it is not always those already there.

No, he won't. He will hang with the brothers, the whites will hang with the whites, Hispanics.... yada yada yada

You're assuming that other black inmates won't target him. From what I know of life inside...certain crimes make you more of a target than others. Beating a mom in front of her child like this guy did will not give him status on the yard. Just the opposite really.

If anything it shows you DON'T know anything of life inside. This dude beat a white woman. He didn't rape or molest a kid. I seriously doubt he will be getting treated like a child rapist or molester would. The black prison gangs, groups etc whom he will certainly be apart of won't treat him different.

I Browse:You're assuming that other black inmates won't target him. From what I know of life inside...certain crimes make you more of a target than others. Beating a mom in front of her child like this guy did will not give him status on the yard. Just the opposite really.

I interned at the Terre Haute federal penn (the cabbage rolls sucked). At that time, it consisted of working with one of the "counselors". I basically followed guidelines and put guys into the programs outlined by federal guidlines based upon the specifics of their offences. Mainly a lot of drug and gun issues.

However, I did ask about some of the myths about prison. The counselor I was with said that for the most part, inmates don't know what each other are "in" for unless they tell each other. I suppose a high profile case might make a difference, but in general no, according to her . This sort of shut down the whole "inmates don't like child molesters, etc." thing for me. Yes I was paired with a woman in a federal men's facility. I thought it was stupid for a woman to be there, but that's the world we live(d) in.

My most surreal experience was when a guy (he was of arab descent, but I didn't notice or perhaps care at the time) stuck his head in the office and spoke to the lady I was working with in perfect, neutral english about some mundane thing I can't remember. when He left, she asked me if I knew who that was. I didn't. She said it was one of the World Trade Center bombers. This was one of the guys that drove the truck into the garage under the building years ago and was unsuccessful. I was shocked and sort of amazed that he seemed like a "regular guy".

Chinesenookiefactory:I interned at the Terre Haute federal penn (the cabbage rolls sucked). At that time, it consisted of working with one of the "counselors". I basically followed guidelines and put guys into the programs outlined by federal guidlines based upon the specifics of their offences. Mainly a lot of drug and gun issues.

However, I did ask about some of the myths about prison. The counselor I was with said that for the most part, inmates don't know what each other are "in" for unless they tell each other. I suppose a high profile case might make a difference, but in general no, according to her . This sort of shut down the whole "inmates don't like child molesters, etc." thing for me. Yes I was paired with a woman in a federal men's facility. I thought it was stupid for a woman to be there, but that's the world we live(d) in.

My most surreal experience was when a guy (he was of arab descent, but I didn't notice or perhaps care at the time) stuck his head in the office and spoke to the lady I was working with in perfect, neutral english about some mundane thing I can't remember. when He left, she asked me if I knew who that was. I didn't. She said it was one of the World Trade Center bombers. This was one of the guys that drove the truck into the garage under the building years ago and was unsuccessful. I was shocked and sort of amazed that he seemed like a "regular guy".

I apologize. "Unsuccessful" was realy insensitive. Those a-holes caused a lot of death and mayhem. Good people were injured and killed.

BetaFlame:They forgot to mention that he already had 12 felonies on record, and had just been released after 10 months for something (forgot what it was).

Prison doesn't make people better no matter how much they say they now love jesus. In fact as you can see some people get caught in the loop and go in and out over and over getting worse each time. The prison system is a mindfark I wouldn't wish on anyone I didn't believe was already completely mindfarked beforehand. Regardless of the events leading to this crime, this man is now basically an animal that can only operate correctly within the prison system, it may be all he really knows anymore. After this, I don't think he'll have to worry about ever getting out again.

Im still wondering why she didnt grab her kid and run. The min. He went upstairs I would have grabbed that kid and been gone. Also, why didnt the kid react AT ALL. I understand being scared, but you just saw your Mom get decked!

1) upon conviction of your first felony, you do your time in prison under extreme hard-labor conditions (12-15 hours a day hard physical manual labor)2) Upon second felony conviction, sentence time is doubled... more extreme hard labor.3) Third felony conviction, mandatory life imprisonment serving 12 to 15 hours a day of physically grueling hard labor.

Hard labor example #127 - carrying 50lbs rocks up a steep 200 foot hill & throwing over the other side.. tomorrow we get the rocks from the other side, carry them up the hill again. and throw them back over where they were the day before..

I like to think, if you do this for 6 months in your first conviction -- you will NOT want to go back to prison a second time. So, if you are that jacked in the head to show for a third conviction.. You dont need to get back out. BTW - I prefer hard labor that contributes to the ppl who obey the law. Need a lake for your cattle? no problem.. Our boys will come out in a bus, with shackles, 3/4" leg chains, GPS implants, shovels and wheel barrels. Ever tried to push a wheel barrel with leg shackels - yea it sucks.

Of course some of you may be saying, "But HKW, what do we do with those prisoners that are too old to work, or suffer some accident in which they are disabled? " or, "What about those prisons who cannot be coerced, under physical duress, to work?"

Easy. Lets face it, medical students need practice. In medical school, they practice on specially preserved human cadavers that were donated for that purpose. I think its more practical for medical students to practice on a living/breathing body.. So, lets say, we are teaching a trauma class. Lets say todays topic is medical treatment for a gunshot wound to lower chest.. We grab our test subject, explain to him carefully what is going on, you know for the mental torture, place a gunshot of the appropriate cartridge, for the subject of the class, where it needs to go.. If the patient lives, we get to use him again later, if not... well those organs are needed by law abiding citizens all over the country -- and some ppl need new organs because they were victims of a heinous crime under the hands of someone similar to the one we just havested them from.

It seems there is enough terror in this system to scare must punks straight -- especially after tour #1. If a person isnt scared of a life in that system, then he really needs to be there.

gunga galunga:I Browse: smells_like_meat: TV's Vinnie: Is there a "Code of the Convicts" that casts an un-approving eye on people like this? I know that child molesters have to be kept segregated from GenPop for obvious reasons. What about buttholes like this guy who do stuff like this?

Nope. He beat up a white woman. The brothers will protect him.

You think so? I don't. Skin color only gets you so far. If you're considered a biatch (which he will be), no one is going to have your back.

I'm thinking the fact that he mercilessly assaulted the woman while her 3-year-old daughter cowered on the couch may move him from "way to go, bro" to the "might as well be short eyes, biatch" category.

You don't go to prison because you help little old ladies across the street. Nobody in there cares much what you are accused of unless they can use it to their advantage somehow. And no prisoner is guilty to another prisoner, only accused. A good portion of them did something similar to get incarcerated with this guy.

require PDA:Im still wondering why she didnt grab her kid and run. The min. He went upstairs I would have grabbed that kid and been gone. Also, why didnt the kid react AT ALL. I understand being scared, but you just saw your Mom get decked!

1) upon conviction of your first felony, you do your time in prison under extreme hard-labor conditions (12-15 hours a day hard physical manual labor)2) Upon second felony conviction, sentence time is doubled... more extreme hard labor.3) Third felony conviction, mandatory life imprisonment serving 12 to 15 hours a day of physically grueling hard labor.

Hard labor example #127 - carrying 50lbs rocks up a steep 200 foot hill & throwing over the other side.. tomorrow we get the rocks from the other side, carry them up the hill again. and throw them back over where they were the day before..

I like to think, if you do this for 6 months in your first conviction -- you will NOT want to go back to prison a second time. So, if you are that jacked in the head to show for a third conviction.. You dont need to get back out. BTW - I prefer hard labor that contributes to the ppl who obey the law. Need a lake for your cattle? no problem.. Our boys will come out in a bus, with shackles, 3/4" leg chains, GPS implants, shovels and wheel barrels. Ever tried to push a wheel barrel with leg shackels - yea it sucks.

Of course some of you may be saying, "But HKW, what do we do with those prisoners that are too old to work, or suffer some accident in which they are disabled? " or, "What about those prisons who cannot be coerced, under physical duress, to work?"

Easy. Lets face it, medical students need practice. In medical school, they practice on specially preserved human cadavers that were donated for that purpose. I think its more practical for medical students to practice on a living/breathing body.. So, lets say, we are teaching a trauma class. Lets say todays topic is medical treatment for a gunshot wound to lower chest.. We grab our test subject, explain to him carefully what is going on, you know for the mental torture, place a gunshot of the appropriate cartridge, for the subject of the ...

In the military, they use goats for the injury/trauma training. They call it Goat School. So, that would changed to Convict School. Sounds good. Hey, how 'bout that Leon Davis, Jr., aye?