I am planning to relocate an older, small sized Brigantine from Scotland to New England, US. I would like any advice regarding route (Azores or nothern - Iceland, Greenland . . . or other), time to go, and any other comments for my planning. I have extensive blue water experience but not a crossing. Thanks

TQA

05-15-2011 01:27 PM

Head South till the butter melts turn right, sail west 2000 miles or so then North.

tdw

05-15-2011 06:52 PM

TQA,
The southern route is obviously a lot longer than northern. I really know bugger all about the Atlantic other than what I read but if you chose the Northern route what time of year is best ?

Also, wouldn't the sail north along the US east coast tend to be a hard slog ?

TQA

05-15-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tdw
(Post 730686)

TQA,
The southern route is obviously a lot longer than northern. I really know bugger all about the Atlantic other than what I read but if you chose the Northern route what time of year is best ?

Also, wouldn't the sail north along the US east coast tend to be a hard slog ?

It is all to do with the Azores high and the trade wind belt. The best time is April May when the belt should be well North. If It is delivery it might be possible to skirt just North of the Canaries and head across for about 2000 miles before heading towards Bermuda. From Bermuda to the NE USA you 'should' be in SWs.

The Northerly route is a non starter unless you can motor most of the way.

tdw

05-15-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TQA
(Post 730772)

It is all to do with the Azores high and the trade wind belt. The best time is April May when the belt should be well North. If It is delivery it might be possible to skirt just North of the Canaries and head across for about 2000 miles before heading towards Bermuda. From Bermuda to the NE USA you 'should' be in SWs.

The Northerly route is a non starter unless you can motor most of the way.

I need a copy of the Atlantic crossing guide ..

Northerly .. motor .. lack of wind or too much on the nose ?

I'll find the thing later on but I was reading a book by a young bloke who single handed from UK to Canada (somebody Nicholson from memory) many years back btw. He was definitely in favour of the northern route but then his destination was Canada not US and with what , some 500 nms south west from Newfoundland to New England, that could be a consideration.

TQA

05-16-2011 09:30 AM

In the end a lot will depend on the departure date chosen for the voyage and the length of time available.

If time was not their master I would suggest Scotland to the Canaries in August/September then Canaries to Bermuda in Aprill/May and on to NE USA.

Another factor is that it is a Brigantine and may not got to weather all that well so downwind or at least a reach is to be preferred.

WanderingStar

05-16-2011 03:55 PM

And the northern route has fog, fishing boats and icebergs! Not a good mix. Also the current runs against, as the Gulf Stream continues across to Ireland. He needs Cornell's World Cruising Routes.

centaursailor

05-16-2011 07:24 PM

Check out the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers leaves the Canaries each year in November and arrives in time Christmas in the Caribbean.Welcome to World Cruising Club: ARC
Seems wiser to go in company.
Some boats go independently at the same time, presumably to ensure assistance will be available in the event of a mishap.:eek:
Safe sailing

tdw

05-16-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TQA
(Post 730856)

In the end a lot will depend on the departure date chosen for the voyage and the length of time available.

If time was not their master I would suggest Scotland to the Canaries in August/September then Canaries to Bermuda in Aprill/May and on to NE USA.

Another factor is that it is a Brigantine and may not got to weather all that well so downwind or at least a reach is to be preferred.

Ah yes, of course, I was judiciously ignoring the Brigantine bit wasn't I ?

Hey Centaur, I know the rally thing seems a sensible idea but I must say that the idea has absolutely zero appeal to me.

JonEisberg

05-16-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WanderingStar
(Post 730979)

And the northern route has fog, fishing boats and icebergs! Not a good mix. Also the current runs against, as the Gulf Stream continues across to Ireland. He needs Cornell's World Cruising Routes.

Not necessarily, he'd be north of the Stream, and carry a favorable spinoff of the Stream towards Iceland, then ride the Irminger and E Greenland current down Denmark Strait, and then the favorable Labrador Current...

Actually, the northern route that was plied by the Vikings for centuries still has quite a bit to recommend it…

The northern route can be broken into a number of relatively short passages, and afford the chance to see some remarkable places along the way… Scotland – Faroes – Iceland – Greenland – Labrador/Newfoundland… Delay the approach to Cap Farvel and the Labrador Sea until August, and in the typical season ice should not be too much of a problem…

Met a guy years ago who had returned from Norway via the Shetlands, Faroes, and so on… He recommended the route highly, thought it was a great way to return from Northern Europe…