Reasons He Might Not Get Elected: The Catholic Church in Africa can be very disconnected from the Church that the majority of the European Cardinals live in. In Africa the top issues aren't sexual politics and theological disputes, they are exorcism, animism, the growth of Islam, and condemnation of Western economic policy.

Reasons He Might Not Get Elected: The Catholic Church in Africa can be very disconnected from the Church that the majority of the European Cardinals live in. In Africa the top issues aren't sexual politics and theological disputes, they are exorcism, animism, the growth of Islam, and condemnation of Western economic policy.

See, the more I realize that this might finally get racist morons to reevaluate Christianity, the more excited the prospect makes me.

What are you trying to say? Do you revel in the thought that I lose my faith?

That makes you feel good doesn't it........the thought of me burning in hell for eternity because , after all, i'm just a "racist moron".

Hope that really excites you.

Just because one is not a Christian, doesn't mean one will burn in hell.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

I don't understand the idea of resigning from papacy. I know that according to RCC papacy is a office and not a sacrament but still there is something fishy in the idea.

Same here. A Pope voluntarily abdicating doesn't have much of a precedent if you discount the Pope whom Dante saw in hell.

Why does his resignation have to be "fishy" just because we do not yet understand or know all the details of it? Why can we not take him at his word, that he is resigning because he is not physically up to the task and just leave it at that for now?

A Pope voluntarily abdicating will now have a better precedent after Feb. 28, 2013. There is much we do not understand. If we wait and keep our hearts open, perhaps with more time we will have greater understanding.

Many Years to His Holiness!!!

The thing that seems untrue is how he could be worse off than what the last Pope was the last few years, Pope John paul could hardy hold his head up at the end.

Also I read Pope John Paul struggled with his health for a long time when he was shot, it seems that Benedict is not willing to struggle as much as a Pope who stays till he dies.

I will say that this may be a good thing though , and it is for God to say whether it is or not.

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The Lord gathers his sheep, I fear I am a goat. Lord have mercy.

"A Christian is someone who follows and worships a perfectly good God who revealed his true face through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.“

Reasons He Might Not Get Elected: The Catholic Church in Africa can be very disconnected from the Church that the majority of the European Cardinals live in. In Africa the top issues aren't sexual politics and theological disputes, they are exorcism, animism, the growth of Islam, and condemnation of Western economic policy.

See, the more I realize that this might finally get racist morons to reevaluate Christianity, the more excited the prospect makes me.

What are you trying to say? Do you revel in the thought that I lose my faith?

That makes you feel good doesn't it........the thought of me burning in hell for eternity because , after all, i'm just a "racist moron".

Hope that really excites you.

I'm just saying, it'd be good if you considered your attitudes, really wrestled if they're truly compatible with Christianity and with Catholicism in particular, and decided what's really important to you. Frankly, I'd rather you be a non-racist Catholic than a racist non-Catholic, but what happens happens. Or maybe you'll stick to both, who knows?

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"Some have such command of their bowels, that they can break wind continuously at pleasure, so as to produce the effect of singing."- St. Augustine of Hippo

How about a Mexican-Grandmother for a Pope? While most of us are lapsed and only nominally Roman Catholic, in every Mexican family there is ALWAYS at least one extremely faithful, "Traditionalist Thomas" Roman Catholic grandmother.

How about a Mexican-Grandmother for a Pope? While most of us are lapsed and only nominally Roman Catholic, in every Mexican family there is ALWAYS at least one extremely faithful, "Traditionalist Thomas" Roman Catholic grandmother.

That's my mom. She is probably the most faithful in our family, and she is the grandma.

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"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

well according to Malachy of Ireland this new pope is it and the world will end. he said the last pope's name is Peter and will be from Rome. I guess we will have to see how it all plays out.

From what I understand, the "Prophecy of Malachy" was never given by St. Malachy. Instead, it was a later forgery.

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"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

There's another prophecy about the next pope (IIRC) from fringe pseudo-Adventist/Sacred Name groups that believe Pope John Paul II will be impersonated by a demon, claim to be resurrected, and take the papacy. Then end times.

There's another prophecy about the next pope (IIRC) from fringe pseudo-Adventist/Sacred Name groups that believe Pope John Paul II will be impersonated by a demon, claim to be resurrected, and take the papacy. Then end times.

There's another prophecy about the next pope (IIRC) from fringe pseudo-Adventist/Sacred Name groups that believe Pope John Paul II will be impersonated by a demon, claim to be resurrected, and take the papacy. Then end times.

How about a Mexican-Grandmother for a Pope? While most of us are lapsed and only nominally Roman Catholic, in every Mexican family there is ALWAYS at least one extremely faithful, "Traditionalist Thomas" Roman Catholic grandmother.

My grandmother was devout when I was really young, but by the time she died (post-RCC sex scandals), she specifically asked that she not be given a church funeral. It's weird, though...she showed up to my reception into the RCC circa age 23, even though she was confined to a wheelchair by that point, and seemed very happy to witness it. Grandmas are complex sometimes, I guess. (My other grandmother, of Danish-English stock, decidedly less so: "You did what? Why would you want to join a church? That's stupid. All they do is tell you what to do." I guess she doesn't like anyone honing in on her racket... We get along okay nowadays, though. But I still didn't tell her when I became Orthodox. Why start a fight that you don't need to have.)

Reasons He Might Not Get Elected: The Catholic Church in Africa can be very disconnected from the Church that the majority of the European Cardinals live in. In Africa the top issues aren't sexual politics and theological disputes, they are exorcism, animism, the growth of Islam, and condemnation of Western economic policy.

There's another prophecy about the next pope (IIRC) from fringe pseudo-Adventist/Sacred Name groups that believe Pope John Paul II will be impersonated by a demon, claim to be resurrected, and take the papacy. Then end times.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

Reasons He Might Not Get Elected: The Catholic Church in Africa can be very disconnected from the Church that the majority of the European Cardinals live in. In Africa the top issues aren't sexual politics and theological disputes, they are exorcism, animism, the growth of Islam, and condemnation of Western economic policy.

So because they aren't the top issues for Western/white people they aren't valid issues for others in the church? Interesting.

Yes, because if there's one thing I think of when I think of the Roman Catholic Church, it's white people and their particular concerns.

Pictured: A bunch of honkies gather to greet the Roman Pope. (Just kidding, of course. Good thing they've got him in that protective car, eh Charles? Otherwise those black folks might get their witchcraft all over him. Ew.)

Some of the most devout and sober Catholics and Anglicans I've come across were Africans from sub-Saharan Africa. And I know of one Orthodox priest originally from Nigeria who an Igumen described as one to whom God listened.

I suppose what stuck out in each case is their faith did not seem 'qualified' by the doubts and rationalisations that, to me at least, appear all too common in the Western, or should that be Northern, world?

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

Jessica Bridge of Ladbrokes said: “The fingers are now pointing at Cardinal Turkson to address the masses in St. Peter’s Square for the foreseeable future.”

Punters flocked to the bookies to place their bets last night."

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

A picture of the Lightning Bolt striking St. Peter's dome at the Vatican was just shown on Channel 10, ABC, on San Diego.

Why did the lightning bolt strike the Vatican soon after the Pope's resignation? Note that a lightning bolt also struck the Vatican at the Council of Vatican I, when the doctrines of Papal Infallibility and Supremacy were declared.

Perhaps that lightning strike made the actor think twice about the God-Man, Jesus Christ, whom he was portraying.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

I hope that its not that African Cardinal ( Peter Tongo something)I heard rumors that he might be an Afro Marxist eho would either favor third world nations over the desperately needed re evangelization of European nations. He could also try to liberalize or Africanize the RC liturgy and theology / morality. We need to reme.mber as Belloc said Europe is the faith and vis a versa. Other nations have the place but we should always take care of our mother first

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Men may dislike truth, men may find truth offensive and inconvenient, men may persecute the truth, subvert it, try by law to suppress it. But to maintain that men have the final power over truth is blasphemy, and the last delusion. Truth lives forever, men do not.-- Gustave Flaubert

I hope that its not that African Cardinal ( Peter Tongo something)I heard rumors that he might be an Afro Marxist eho would either favor third world nations over the desperately needed re evangelization of European nations. He could also try to liberalize or Africanize the RC liturgy and theology / morality. We need to reme.mber as Belloc said Europe is the faith and vis a versa. Other nations have the place but we should always take care of our mother first

[Tough, I heard that he was a proponent of liberal beliefs ( as head of the Pontifical council for Justice and Peace they recently issued a statement calling for world currency and government). As a European American I'm proud of my culture, religion, and heritage and wish to see those things preservfor posterity. If that's not PC to some people, then too bad. I'm not a very PC person and make no bones about it. People of all races and colors are welcome in the Big Ten of the Roman Church, But people like myself would like to see that shirt continue to be becenter in Europe and certainly not become the religious equivalent to the Obama administration and all its policies.quote author=Asteriktos link=topic=49883.msg880442#msg880442 date=1360648650]

I hope that its not that African Cardinal ( Peter Tongo something)I heard rumors that he might be an Afro Marxist eho would either favor third world nations over the desperately needed re evangelization of European nations. He could also try to liberalize or Africanize the RC liturgy and theology / morality. We need to reme.mber as Belloc said Europe is the faith and vis a versa. Other nations have the place but we should always take care of our mother first

You disgust me.[/quote]

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Men may dislike truth, men may find truth offensive and inconvenient, men may persecute the truth, subvert it, try by law to suppress it. But to maintain that men have the final power over truth is blasphemy, and the last delusion. Truth lives forever, men do not.-- Gustave Flaubert

Tough, I heard that he was a proponent of liberal beliefs ( as head of the Pontifical council for Justice and Peace they recently issued a statement calling for world currency and government). As a European American I'm proud of my culture, religion, and heritage and wish to see those things preservfor posterity. If that's not PC to some people, then too bad. I'm not a very PC person and make no bones about it. People of all races and colors are welcome in the Big Ten of the Roman Church, But people like myself would like to see that shirt continue to be becenter in Europe and certainly not become the religious equivalent to the Obama administration and all its policies.

You heard "rumors" about some guy whose name you aren't sure of. How can I argue with such overwhelming evidence?

I hope that its not that African Cardinal ( Peter Tongo something)I heard rumors that he might be an Afro Marxist eho would either favor third world nations over the desperately needed re evangelization of European nations. He could also try to liberalize or Africanize the RC liturgy and theology / morality. We need to reme.mber as Belloc said Europe is the faith and vis a versa. Other nations have the place but we should always take care of our mother first

"Africa is great and all, but seriously guys, a white guy said something last century that I think completely trumps reality, so let's all focus on that."

Europe is the faith, my behind. Haven't seen Mass attendance rates in Europe at any point in the last decade or so I take it, Robb? They're not great, and hardly likely to improve.

Oddly enough, all indications point to African priests re-evangelizing the West, in direct contradiction of your unfounded idea that the African Catholic Church would place the needs of third world countries ahead of those of Europe (that they're doing the opposite, in fact, when they could very easily make the case that they need to tend to in-country needs is, frankly, amazing and highly commendable; when was the last time you went to Africa to serve the RCC faithful there?). Unless you think that Africans are too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time, I don't see how such a ridiculous, insulting string of thoughts could ever enter your mind.

I hope you get a chance to meet some African Catholics some day, Robb. Many put the average Anglo/Euro-Catholic to shame in the strength of their devotions.

The weirdo show, Coast to Coast, will discuss this entire matter tonight, especially the Malachi prophecies.Lord have mercy.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

"After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry,"

"In order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me,"

"After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry,"

"In order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me,"

Seems like admirable reasoning to me. Many years to him.

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Psalm 37:23 The Lord guides a man safely in the way he should go.

Prov. 3: 5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths.

"After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry,"

"In order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me,"

Seems like admirable reasoning to me. Many years to him.

Yes, very admirable.

Here is another picture of lightning. He comes in with lightning and leaves with lightning.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

Pope Benedict was Pope John Paul II's right-hand man during the latter's decline. He got to see up close what it's like when the Pope goes effectively non-functional; he didn't want to burden the Church and the world with a repeat of that.

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The end of the world is as near as the day of your death;watch and pray.