Cagey B:Illegal marijuana grows have been known to be causing extensive environmental damage for some time now.

If people don't want weed to wreck the environment, obviously they can simply choose to buy organic weed, perhaps certified through an independent company, the same way Fair Trade is. We don't need more government regulation - the Free Market (peace be upon it) will sort this out.

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich:Cagey B: Illegal marijuana grows have been known to be causing extensive environmental damage for some time now.

If people don't want weed to wreck the environment, obviously they can simply choose to buy organic weed, perhaps certified through an independent company, the same way Fair Trade is. We don't need more government regulation - the Free Market (peace be upon it) will sort this out.

Or they can just legalize it so that people don't have to hide their grow ops.

Marijuana being illegal is in no way the cause of this. It's just those pothead hippies supporting the market. Therefore the obvious solution here is to double the DEA's budget and really start cracking down on these degenerates.

It's part of the remains from a raid last summer. A law enforcement team swooped in by helicopter and found 8,000 marijuana plants here, all between 3 feet and 6 feet tall, as well as lots of leftover rat poison and empty poison containers - trash left by the growers. (Most of the plants were hauled away, but some of the poison got left behind.)

drtfa, but honestly most if not all marijuana grow operations should be organic with few if any poisonous chemicals involved. Yeah that's probably going to raise some token objections with some of you, I guess I don't care.

whidbey:drtfa, but honestly most if not all marijuana grow operations should be organic with few if any poisonous chemicals involved. Yeah that's probably going to raise some token objections with some of you, I guess I don't care.

Yea that's what I thought reading the headline. Turns out the it's rat poison they're talking about. Growing pot doesn't require dangerous chemicals. Well maybe bleach or peroxide for cleaning and an acid for pH balancing.... But that would be for a hydro setup anyway.

Rustblade:whidbey: drtfa, but honestly most if not all marijuana grow operations should be organic with few if any poisonous chemicals involved. Yeah that's probably going to raise some token objections with some of you, I guess I don't care.

Yea that's what I thought reading the headline. Turns out the it's rat poison they're talking about. Growing pot doesn't require dangerous chemicals. Well maybe bleach or peroxide for cleaning and an acid for pH balancing.... But that would be for a hydro setup anyway.

A farm is a farm. You still need fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, nitrates to enrich the soil, all that stuff. Did you think they got maximum yield by just sticking a few seeds in the ground and letting nature do it's thing?

And it's not like anyone is checking they're using the right levels of weed killer or that the fertilizer runoff isn't going into someone else's drinking water.

I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

AbuHashish:I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Repo Man:AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

It wasn't about just that article, but current events in general. There are legitimate concerns, obviously. Illegal grow ops in California state parks is a problem as elsewhere. Living in Seattle, I'm not yet encouraged by the new law as there are still setbacks whether real or imagined.

grumpfuff:Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Cagey B: Illegal marijuana grows have been known to be causing extensive environmental damage for some time now.

If people don't want weed to wreck the environment, obviously they can simply choose to buy organic weed, perhaps certified through an independent company, the same way Fair Trade is. We don't need more government regulation - the Free Market (peace be upon it) will sort this out.

Or they can just legalize it so that people don't have to hide their grow ops.

Or jackasses could stop using illegal stuff that wrecks the environment.

jvl:grumpfuff: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Cagey B: Illegal marijuana grows have been known to be causing extensive environmental damage for some time now.

If people don't want weed to wreck the environment, obviously they can simply choose to buy organic weed, perhaps certified through an independent company, the same way Fair Trade is. We don't need more government regulation - the Free Market (peace be upon it) will sort this out.

Or they can just legalize it so that people don't have to hide their grow ops.

Or jackasses could stop using illegal stuff that wrecks the environment.

There are plenty of ways to grow pot that does not wreck the environment.

jvl:grumpfuff: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Cagey B: Illegal marijuana grows have been known to be causing extensive environmental damage for some time now.

If people don't want weed to wreck the environment, obviously they can simply choose to buy organic weed, perhaps certified through an independent company, the same way Fair Trade is. We don't need more government regulation - the Free Market (peace be upon it) will sort this out.

Or they can just legalize it so that people don't have to hide their grow ops.

Or jackasses could stop using illegal stuff that wrecks the environment.

It's not 'illegal stuff' that wrecks the environment. If it was legal and 'in the open' they wouldn't be growing it there in the first place. You can't regulate and control it if you force it to be grown in the shadows.

Ow! That was my feelings!:It's not 'illegal stuff' that wrecks the environment. If it was legal and 'in the open' they wouldn't be growing it there in the first place. You can't regulate and control it if you force it to be grown in the shadows.

So in other words, so long as it remains illegal you shouldn't smoke it. Sounds a lot like what I said.

jvl:Ow! That was my feelings!:It's not 'illegal stuff' that wrecks the environment. If it was legal and 'in the open' they wouldn't be growing it there in the first place. You can't regulate and control it if you force it to be grown in the shadows.

So in other words, so long as it remains illegal you shouldn't smoke it. Sounds a lot like what I said.

Nope, I'm saying you are naïve if you think people are not going to smoke it anyway, so let's be adults about it and legalize Cannabis.

Repo Man:AbuHashish: I expect to see many more articles voicing concern over legal marijuana in the months to come. Cartels in Colorado mentioned in Drudge today with no stated evidence and rants about weed falling into the hands of children because legal, etc. It's clear there's still a vocal fear mongering opposition. The law narrowly passed in Washington and only a few counties are on board.

Ok. What has any of that to do with TFA?

TFA: "The problem is we have wild rodents out here that are going to eat the rat poisons, and then they become little time bombs,"

So, dopers kill any wildlife that eat the poisoned rodents. The horror! `Marijuana is THE gateway drug'. Failing to mention the fact that it is the exposure of any tender little procurer, in search of weed, to the black market of substances that is the only `gateway' involved never crosses the mind of the `concerned'. Taxpayers are actually the only guilty actors (fund the war - eat the dead wildlife). Meth heads have dumped their `cook' leftovers in our woods (piles of 5 gal. buckets - some always seem to leak). If I had my druthers, anyone over 21 could buy dexedrine/benzedrine OTC at just enough above cost so as to fund eventual treatment of those who want it and to lock up anyone (any substance) who interferes with the life/liberty of another citizen for a mandatory minimum. Have a care for one's own `temperance'.

/every old line of bullshiat will be dusted off, draped over the MSM and drug out along the dead-cat-walk over the coming months

Ow! That was my feelings!:BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

BluVeinThrobber:Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.

Ow! That was my feelings!:BluVeinThrobber: Ow! That was my feelings!: BluVeinThrobber: Eliminate the un-natural element from the situation. Poisons and insecticides should'nt be available without a permit. They should only be available to proffesionals

Or just legalize Cannabis. Naw, let's setup another expensive, expansive government bureaucracy to save us from the evil of fertilizers and pesticides.

I agree it should be leaglized. But that wont stop illicit growers from still growing and selling on the black market.The government already has the agencies and laws in place. The FDA, EPA, Dept of the interior. The products available to the public are ineffective and dangerous when mis-used.

Well, if the regulations and tax rates are reasonable, that would dry up most of the black market. You won't see illegal multi thousand plant grows because it would presumably be cheaper and less of a hassle and risk to grow it legally 'in the open'.

I realize the end of alcohol prohibition didn't end bootlegging, but it is now a tiny, tiny portion of the market the only still exists as a tax dodge.