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jfruh writes "For years, DDoS attacks on various websites have been routinely launched by hackers within China. Now an attack of this sort has been launched against the foundations of the Chinese Internet — the domain servers for the country's top-level .cn domain. The attack raged over the weekend, disrupting and slowing access to .cn sites."

DDoS attacks on various websites have been routinely launched by hackers within China

Hackers like these [theguardian.com] launching attacks from inside China? No longer can we just blindly accept that "launched by hackers within China" actually means that the hacker is or works for the Chinese...

Anyone knowing even a little about, say, DNS, BIND, networks, and specifically DOS attacks knows that you absolutely do not need high bandwidth connectivity to orchestrate an devastating DOS attack. So either you are ignorant, or being deliberately misleading. Second - Guardian "a site well-known for its anti-US bias" - that is the extent of your fact finding truth exposing debating prowess, the equivalent of "...Snowden leaks lalalala head in the sand, all disclosures ANTI-US lalalala...". Not much to I can say to that overwhelming logic DNS-and.BIND (461968)...

No doubt. I'll tell you something, I am so damn sick and tired of looking at my IDS/snort logs and seeing IP addresses from China. I swear 75% are from there... and it is a safe bet that another 15% are spoofed/botted but really originated there.

The problem is that there are too many people who don't care or know that their computers are in bot nets and there are tensions about hacking each other in the air. I'm guessing that this is some group of people trying to start something larger. It would be good to tone it down a bit, as this kind of thing mostly hurts countries whose economies are tied to the Internet.

They should treat infected computers the same way they treat infected people.

With quarantines.

If you've got some sort of disease, the health police get to confine you. Even if it's not your fault you got sick, because the quarantine is to protect the public, which is why your freedom to go as you please is subordinate to the public's freedom not to catch your germs.

They should treat infected computers the same way. It doesn't matter if it's your fault it got infected or not. If your computer is putting the internet at risk, it should be quarantined. I don't care if the user of the computer is inconvenienced or if it's not his fault. He is harming the internet just the same.

If you defiantly refuse to care or fix it, you should be hit even harder, because at that point you're effectively aiding and abetting whatever criminal activity the hacker is using your computer for.

If I was an ISP and a customer failed to have their computer cleaned up after I warned them, I would terminate their access for abuse. Once they know and refuse to take care of it, they are complicit.

I really like the idea, but I am concerned that it could be used to censor people. Fraudulent DMCA take-down notices can hurt people, and if they make it automated enough to tackle large botnets, it makes it more dangerous. We would need an assurance that the traffic was not being spoofed [wikipedia.org] somehow and not just to remove voices from the internet.

The internet as we know it today is clearly fragmenting. China's.cn domain is restricted and regulated up the wazoo. You have to have a legitimate registered company to get a.cn domain, and even after you do, you have to register with the government and display an ICP certificate [accesstochina.com] on your front page. The government gives you an encrypted.cert file to place on your site which will be periodically verified by a web crawler bot (bazs.cert). Websites (even non.cn domains) without such authentication will eventually be blocked.

This clearly separates.cn from the rest of the internet. Moreover, most of China has no interest in the foreign-language internet, and most of the rest of the world has no interest in Chinese language content. So it makes sense that eventually the split will become official. Of course China will trumpet this as their own independent innovation (China strong!) and overthrowing the Western oppression capiDUHlism and whatever crap they need to spout to blame the foreigners and distract their population from the daily crimes of the CCP. You already can't go to an internet cafe without showing ID, and this has been used repeatedly along with CCTV footage to identify and imprison the foes of the Party.

I just can't wait for the TVs that watch you to become mandatory...for social stability, of course. Of course, it's hard to argue with the Party as China is a country where the smart people really are in charge. If any of you ever wondered what it would be like if democracy was repealed and scientists and engineers got to run things without interference from those smelly common people, look no farther than China.

The scientists and engineers are the third-generation leadership and are on the way out. Hu Jintao was the archetypical example. The fourth-generation leadership (the Xi Jinping crowd) is settling in. These are the "princelings"; privileged children of former party leaders. Take a guess at how well they're going to do.

The rapid economic growth that you saw under the second- and third-generation PRC leadership is going to come to a screeching halt, and nobody will want to admit it but the reason is that, to put it in Western terms, the new leaders are not Dilberts but instead are PHBs.

You can't just "get in" to the CCP. You have to have excellent grades, and it's a lot of extra work in university when all your classmates are goofing off. It doesn't even really help you unless you work for the government. Classic Western Beijing-centric fallacy of assuming the top level of the government controls everything. It doesn't.

You have to have excellent grades, and it's a lot of extra work in university when all your classmates are goofing off.

Or you can be the son of somebody that was a friend of a friend of Deng Xiaoping, like most of the fourth-generation leadership.

No, you need both. It's just with such a large population, you're likely to find a significant number of people who got high grades AND are the son of a friend of a friend of Deng Xioping. After all, that's 3 degrees of separation, which is good enough for the NSA.

It's hard to know what the future holds. Much of the leveling off of China's growth isn't about changes in management style but about slowing exports and a lack of internal demand.

It seems axiomatic that there will be attempts made to consolidate power by Xi Jinping given some of the weakness of Hu Jintao and the perceived threats from the likes of Bo or other who may follow him.

There are so many challenges to PRC leadership it's hard to know where to start or what could really hobble them in ways they do

I'm not sure what chops the current leadership has, but China's real problem is loose monetary policies and a tendency to lie to themselves using official statistics. During the West's economic meltdown, they became concerned the Chinese people would go all Falun Gong on their collective Party asses if their economy slowed significantly. And it would have had to because the West was not buying nearly as much Chineseware. So they opened the spigots from their central bank. However, they didn't count bank loans made off the books more or less in the shadow economy. These loans kept large enterprises in the money, including those dinosaurs, the State companies.

Bad things happen when you mis-allocate investment (see U.S. economy and the housing boom). And China has been mis-allocating in very large way for a number of years. They cannot slow it very well because their Falun Gong Ass problem and the fact they do not really control their banking sector with the off-the-books loans.

They could try increasing consumption and have been making an effort in this area. But to do that effectively, you have to give people a reason to buy now rather than saving for later. Cheap money would do that, but they are bursting at the seams with cheap money and it hasn't really increased consumption that much.

They have another problem, they've spent a lot of time and money on creating an educated workforce. They still have a lot of un-educated workforce but they simply have too many people. The educated workforce is having trouble finding educated jobs and hence could contribute to the Falun Gong Ass problem. The new young people have high expectations.

To make matters worse, Chinese companies believe in getting ahead at any price, and that price includes the Environment. Now they are poisoning the land. Pollution is a real drag on the economy because to fix it you must re-allocated money from other investments without any immediate return on investment. And you must knacker the state-owned enterprises which pollute in a state-sized way. To not fix it means you are poisoning your own people and that has deleterious effects on productivity.

I would rather have a true democracy where we the smelly common people could decide for ourselves who should rule us, and that includes changing our minds if the people we pick turn out to be stinkers in disguise.

The whole point of the government is to serve the public. Government ministers are in fact often called public servants. Shouldn't the public get to decide who best serves its interests?

I would rather have a true democracy where we the smelly common people could decide for ourselves who should rule us, and that includes changing our minds if the people we pick turn out to be stinkers in disguise.

The whole point of the government is to serve the public. Government ministers are in fact often called public servants. Shouldn't the public get to decide who best serves its interests?

Are you serious? Do you really want people who are putting their children in debt, have no fiscal responsibility, and don't care about anybody but themselves making decisions on a Federal level?

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. Democracy is also the lowest common denominator (meaning that instead of skimming the cream off the top, you're scraping the dregs off the bottom).

We do seem to be approaching the point where it wouldn't be much worse than what goes for a limited democ

Meanwhile, my wife here in the US will no longer be able to Skype with her parents so they can spend some remote time with their new grandchild.

Fucked up world we live in. 15 years ago, I was always optimistic that technology would solve most of the worlds social problems and give way to world peace. I couldn't have been more wrong. Technology was an open tool to be used by the assholes of the world for subversion and domination.

Someone in China got my web sites suspended last week when they started scraping my photography web site. I guess I'd better hide those PayPal and Western Union receipts for payments that I made to the Ukraine.

They're confirmed to be spying on everyone around the world, so it's totally reasonable to suspect them of doing this too, with no evidence whatsoever except circumstantial talk and random speculation? Am I doing this right?

Of course the article starts with accusing China of hacking. Western hypocrisy never ends, even Snowden's devastating revelations couldn't derail you hypocrites on your anti-China hate train.