I don't see how it can be THAT bad. Can anybody who has used it care to explain why, apart from the omission of the start menu, it's such a failure?

Gabe Newell needs to shave...

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Because you need to learn how to use it, it's not intuitive, there's no start menu and a lot of people don't know off the bat how to perform simple tasks they have been doing for many years.

It may well be better and easier to perform these tasks when they have put in the time to learn how to but it's the requirement to have to learn how to use it that people don't like from what I can gather. They want Windows 8 to be exactly the same as Windows 7 but offering better performance, more features etc.

I haven't put the time in to learn the OS yet, though I likely will do when it's released, and like I said it may well be slicker and easier to perform everyday tasks on it when I put in the time to learn it. As it stands now I don't like the fact that I have to perform about 4-5 mouse clicks to turn off my PC, it doesn't feel natural having the desktop with no start menu, it's a pita to find stuff like control panel and other things, I don't want to open explorer just to type control panel in the address bar to find it, it's not intuitive.

As much as I respect Gabe, I know he has this hatred for Microsoft since he used to work for them. When it comes to his opinions about Windows, and Microsoft in general, I take it with a grain of salt.

Because you need to learn how to use it, it's not intuitive, there's no start menu and a lot of people don't know off the bat how to perform simple tasks they have been doing for many years.

It may well be better and easier to perform these tasks when they have put in the time to learn how to but it's the requirement to have to learn how to use it that people don't like from what I can gather. They want Windows 8 to be exactly the same as Windows 7 but offering better performance, more features etc.

I haven't put the time in to learn the OS yet, though I likely will do when it's released, and like I said it may well be slicker and easier to perform everyday tasks on it when I put in the time to learn it. As it stands now I don't like the fact that I have to perform about 4-5 mouse clicks to turn off my PC, it doesn't feel natural having the desktop with no start menu, it's a pita to find stuff like control panel and other things, I don't want to open explorer just to type control panel in the address bar to find it, it's not intuitive.

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I've seen lots of people switch from Windows to Mac, and they put in the time to learn the OS. I don't see why that would be any different for people upgrading to Windows 8. In fact, for consumers, I think it's much easier for the average Joe to use.

Because you need to learn how to use it, it's not intuitive, there's no start menu and a lot of people don't know off the bat how to perform simple tasks they have been doing for many years.

It may well be better and easier to perform these tasks when they have put in the time to learn how to but it's the requirement to have to learn how to use it that people don't like from what I can gather. They want Windows 8 to be exactly the same as Windows 7 but offering better performance, more features etc.

I haven't put the time in to learn the OS yet, though I likely will do when it's released, and like I said it may well be slicker and easier to perform everyday tasks on it when I put in the time to learn it. As it stands now I don't like the fact that I have to perform about 4-5 mouse clicks to turn off my PC, it doesn't feel natural having the desktop with no start menu, it's a pita to find stuff like control panel and other things, I don't want to open explorer just to type control panel in the address bar to find it, it's not intuitive.

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Most of these arguments are identical to the ones made when Office changed the GUI slightly. People learned it pretty quickly once they stopped bitching about it.

And Gabe Newell is an idiot, I have no respect for him, I lost my last bit of respect for him when he said Windows 8 is bad because it is too cheap.

As much as I respect Gabe, I know he has this hatred for Microsoft since he used to work for them. When it comes to his opinions about Windows, and Microsoft in general, I take it with a grain of salt.

I've seen lots of people switch from Windows to Mac, and they put in the time to learn the OS. I don't see why that would be any different for people upgrading to Windows 8. In fact, for consumers, I think it's much easier for the average Joe to use.

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I agree, and like I said when released I will most likely be running Windows 8 at some point, though you didn't have to learn hardly anything even coming from XP - Vista - Win7, there are things to learn if you want to though on the whole everything is centred around your start button/menu. It's not in Windows 8, there is more to do (essentially more mouse clicks) to perform simple tasks that could all be done in one click in Windows 7, I had to constantly switch between metro and the desktop to perform some actions, there may well be an easier method to perform these but it's actively having to find out what these are, Windows Vista/7 was as easy to use as XP from day one, I would say if anything I learnt more about them the longer I ran them.

BTW I haven't stated I don't like it, though the reasons I listed are what I have experienced whilst using it and also what I seem to get from the people who don't like it.

It is easier for the average joe to use as they only have the one screen with everything they do on their PC right there, they have no need to go into explorer/control panel etc most of the time anyway, generally I would say it's people like the people on here who know how to install, maintain, troubleshoot etc who find it frustrating as doing these things is more laborious and not very "clean" or intuitive. Kind of ironic if you ask me... lol

but those people made the choice to switch to an entirely different operating system. that's quite different from buying a new computer featuring the newest version of a product you have used for 10 years, and finding it is radically different.

windows' 8 upgrade is akin to Mercedes rolling out a 2013 Murcielago and having it look more like a Vespa. Maybe there are valid reasons for the design decisions but the fact of the matter is that is NOT what is and has always been known as a Murcielago

As a computer tech (now database administrator) going on 7 years, I can honestly say that I am uncomfortable with Windows 8. That is not to say that it is bad, but I feel like Microsoft it taking the wrong direction with this.

I am fine with it's release though, because if it is not acceptable, we don't have to accept it, and we will continue to run 7. It happened with Vista, and we get a second acceptable bloat-free version of vista we call Windows 7.

but those people made the choice to switch to an entirely different operating system. that's quite different from buying a new computer featuring the newest version of a product you have used for 10 years, and finding it is radically different.

I agree, and like I said when released I will most likely be running Windows 8 at some point, though you didn't have to learn hardly anything even coming from XP - Vista - Win7, there are things to learn if you want to though on the whole everything is centred around your start button/menu. It's not in Windows 8, there is more to do (essentially more mouse clicks) to perform simple tasks that could all be done in one click in Windows 7, I had to constantly switch between metro and the desktop to perform some actions, there may well be an easier method to perform these but it's actively having to find out what these are, Windows Vista/7 was as easy to use as XP from day one, I would say if anything I learnt more about them the longer I ran them.

BTW I haven't stated I don't like it, though the reasons I listed are what I have experienced whilst using it and also what I seem to get from the people who don't like it.

It is easier for the average joe to use as they only have the one screen with everything they do on their PC right there, they have no need to go into explorer/control panel etc most of the time anyway, generally I would say it's people like the people on here who know how to install, maintain, troubleshoot etc who find it frustrating as doing these things is more laborious and not very "clean" or intuitive. Kind of ironic if you ask me... lol

In short, no start menu and metro is why it's shit lol

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Ya no worries, wasn't accusing you specifically, but there has been a lot of hate towards Windows 8 on this board lately. Personally this is a welcome change. Yes you have to relearn an OS, but Microsoft has finally made a 21st century Windows OS geared towards the general consumer, while still maintaining functionality for us enthusiasts. But, I do agree with you lol.

but those people made the choice to switch to an entirely different operating system. that's quite different from buying a new computer featuring the newest version of a product you have used for 10 years, and finding it is radically different.

windows' 8 upgrade is akin to Mercedes rolling out a 2013 Murcielago and having it look more like a Vespa. Maybe there are valid reasons for the design decisions but the fact of the matter is that is NOT what is and has always been known as a Murcielago

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I'm sorry but I don't see the point you are trying to make. When someone goes to a store like Best Buy and buys a new computer with Windows 8, they are upgrading their existing computer to the new one, so they are still making a conscious decision to upgrade to a new OS because you better believe that the salesman there will make a big fuss about how different Windows 8 is from everything else.

Windows 8 is a good OS. Its hilarious how people bitch about the new UI start screen, but they can customize it and move the tiles where ever they would like and put whatever they want.

Windows 8 fails because of the UI? Kill yourself....

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No windows 8 fails because of its default UI and the fact that they want to push an OS that has "squares" as a UI interface. I would love to build a 16GB, 12 core, quad SLI wtf beast and use vtech software to control it. Can you disable it? Sure can but why do I need to? Why dont they leave that shit on phones were it belongs?

Seems kinda like a forced change imo. Every OS has/had a start/open button and a desktop. and now they get to decide hey you can just use a bunch of virtual legos instead. Why not just enable classic by default instead? with the ability to use the metro interface? with an annoying pop up like "click here to tour windows XP"? Then secure boot. I know its been beaten to death it can be disabled and its going to be included in every UFI bios but why?

Every windows PC will have it enabled by default. Which means i will see 9000+ threads after the first 2 weeks telling noobs that they need to disable it before they install a new OS. Or report 9000+ people because their bios activation hack doesnt work and listen to them plead with 1million + members that they SWEAR their copy is legit and they just lost the COA because they spilt milk on it. Whats this going to do to bios modification when you have them checking integrity only to realize you removed the feature because seriously fuck it. Why do I as a PC enthusiest get to go in and disable it every time i flash or buy new stuff?

I was going to OC anyway I guess but why do I have to? Not to mention from what I gather alot of things are only going to be availible in the sweet metro store!!! want MSE? MSN? that sweet panda metro theme? better make an account better buy/download it. Better make sure you dont own more then one PC because arent some of the apps locked to one system?

Now please. Tell me how windows 8 is worth the 0-4 FPS you will get realistically in game because of performance optimizations assuming companies patch it fast enough not to make running titles on 8 an issue.

I'm not going to say Windows 8 has a bad GUI, but it is clearly evident that it is designed to run well on tablets. It would be wise to include a "Classic" option that behaves very similarly to how Windows has in the past. Microsoft needs to work on transitioning people into a new UI, which I think Apple has done an excellent job at doing.

All in all, everyone will eventually stop complaining about it and just get used to it. It's not a good model to have, but it works. Something more transitional would be ideal though.

no windows 8 fails because of its default UI and the fact that they want to push an OS that has "squares" as a UI interface. I would love to built a 16GB, 12 core quad SLI wtf beast and use vtech software to control it. Can you enaable it? sure can but why do I need to? why dont they leave that shit on phones were it belongs?

Seems kinda like a forced change imo. Every OS has/had a start/open button and a desktop. and now they get to decide hey you can just use a bunch of virtual legos instead. Why not just enable classic instead? with the ability to use the metro interface? with an annoying pop up like "click here to tour windows XP"? Then secure boot. I know its been beaten to death it can be disabled and its going to be included in every UFI bios but why?

Every windows PC will have it enabled by default. Which means i will see 9000+ threads after the first 2 weeks telling noobs that they need to disable it before they install a new OS. Or report 9000+ people because their bios activation hack doesnt work and listen to them plead with 1million + members that they SWEAR their copy is legit and they just lost the COA because they spilt milk on it. Whatws this going to do to bios modification when you have them checking integrity only to realize you removed the feature because seriously fuck it. Why do I as a PC enthusiest get to go in and disable it every time i flash or buy new stuff?

I was going to OC anyway I guess but why do I have to? Not to mention from what I gather alot of things are only going to be availible in the sweet metro store!!! want MSE? MSN? that sweet panda metro theme? better make an account better buy/download it. Better make sure you dont own more then one PC because arent some of the apps locked to one system?

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Just direct those millions of people to OEM support och Microsoft support. They'll have their work set for them when 8 is released. And the app store is one of the better things there imo, it will make it easier for a lot of people to get new stuff. It's a good next step.

Just direct those millions of people to OEM support och Microsoft support. They'll have their work set for them when 8 is released. And the app store is one of the better things there imo, it will make it easier for a lot of people to get new stuff. It's a good next step.

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you know i honestly think if tech forums didnt exist alot of companies wouldnt make such a big quarterly profit because they would sink so much $$ into the support division.