fairvis wrote:Punting from the 38 is asinine. Don't care who you are. Yay, you saved 18 yards of field position.

The instant they sent out the punt team I knew SD would put points on the board. Its 4 down territory in that situation, yet on 3rd they were looking for a 1st all the way instead of trying to shorten the 4th. And if you're going to punt, at least take a delay of game to increase the odds of Hodges pinning it. God I hate Shurmur.

Let me preface this by saying that anytime Pat Shurmer and Norv Turner lock horns, you can expect the same high comedy you got today.

Secondly preface this by saying I'd bet 90% of the fans down there would exchange a high noon punch in the face as trade for the four hours of life they just wasted down there. (My estimate may be a bit high because I'm unsure of the "lifer" percentage.)

Congratulations to Pat Shurmer in becoming the first coach in the history of the league to score on the opening drive, and then try to run out the clock over the next 2 hours and 50 minutes.

Turner and Shurmer using up 2nd half timeouts in order to orchestrate dive plays and two yards outs was fantastic, yet predictable.

I'm not sure what the hell to make of Weeden. Not sure anyone's gonna gain yards in that offense. As I've mentioned before, NFL people have mentioned that damn near anyone can tell what's coming. Look at the Browns screen and draw games over the last month or so. These are "deceptive" type plays that are gonna gain yards by accident - with only the critical yards determined by execution - and they can't gain a GD yard on these plays. That's a pretty good indicator of a horrible offense. F'ing horrible.

You know it's a Browns games when two punters are locking horns for game MVP.

I watch paint dry for a living. And that game was the most boring stretch of time I have had in a long time.

Not that I mind a win, but

Maybe they'll fly Shurmy to flip the coin in for the Thursday night tilt between Norv and Romeo. Hope someone reminds those guys the game is on Thursday.

Incidentally, wonder what the fact that there is practically a LOCK that a half dozen NFL coaching jobs will be available this offseason - I could see as many as 8, does to the Browns scramble to find someone who knows what the hell is going on?

leadpipe wrote:Let me preface this by saying that anytime Pat Shurmer and Norv Turner lock horns, you can expect the same high comedy you got today.

Secondly preface this by saying I'd bet 90% of the fans down there would exchange a high noon punch in the face as trade for the four hours of life they just wasted down there. (My estimate may be a bit high because I'm unsure of the "lifer" percentage.)

Congratulations to Pat Shurmer in becoming the first coach in the history of the league to score on the opening drive, and then try to run out the clock over the next 2 hours and 50 minutes.

Turner and Shurmer using up 2nd half timeouts in order to orchestrate dive plays and two yards outs was fantastic, yet predictable.

I'm not sure what the hell to make of Weeden. Not sure anyone's gonna gain yards in that offense. As I've mentioned before, NFL people have mentioned that damn near anyone can tell what's coming. Look at the Browns screen and draw games over the last month or so. These are "deceptive" type plays that are gonna gain yards by accident - with only the critical yards determined by execution - and they can't gain a GD yard on these plays. That's a pretty good indicator of a horrible offense. F'ing horrible.

You know it's a Browns games when two punters are locking horns for game MVP.

Haslam looking on, nail meet coffin.

I'll say one thing about the Shurminator - once he finds something that works, he's not afraid to go back to it again. And again. And again.

On the positive - Smith >>>>>> Marecic, and the run game between the tackles, especially when they pulled the backside G around, worked well.

As for the rest - I especially loved the sandlot double reverse when Cribbs flipped the ball up as if it were a live ferret. And running the Weeden roll right about 8 times, even after the Chargers stopped it the third, fourth, fifth, etc. time. Also notable is the Weeds one step drop to throw the quick out - it gives every DE a chance to pretend they're JJ Watt

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

leadpipe wrote:Incidentally, wonder what the fact that there is practically a LOCK that a half dozen NFL coaching jobs will be available this offseason - I could see as many as 8, does to the Browns scramble to find someone who knows what the hell is going on?

If Haslam has even a moderate tendency to spend, that already puts us ahead of KC, Carolina, and Buffalo in the hunt. And no competent head coach is going to take being Jerruh's puppet.

That leaves, what, Philadelphia and maybe San Diego if they forget how Marty got run?

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Philly ought to be the belle of that ball, but the front office there is going to be a mess when they wrest control away from Reid. No one wants to work for AJ, despite how sexy the prospect of being in San Diego is.

I can't say that if the team continues to progress and show signs of life, I wouldn't rather the Cleveland gig over Buffalo or KC.

No idea what kind of pull Haslam is capable of. Might depend on who else is being replaced, and the connections there. (IE, what the new GM would be able to bring in)

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fairvis wrote:Punting from the 38 is asinine. Don't care who you are. Yay, you saved 18 yards of field position.

The instant they sent out the punt team I knew SD would put points on the board. Its 4 down territory in that situation, yet on 3rd they were looking for a 1st all the way instead of trying to shorten the 4th. And if you're going to punt, at least take a delay of game to increase the odds of Hodges pinning it. God I hate Shurmur.

Good thing he learned that lesson last week.

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leadpipe wrote:Incidentally, wonder what the fact that there is practically a LOCK that a half dozen NFL coaching jobs will be available this offseason - I could see as many as 8, does to the Browns scramble to find someone who knows what the hell is going on?

If Haslam has even a moderate tendency to spend, that already puts us ahead of KC, Carolina, and Buffalo in the hunt. And no competent head coach is going to take being Jerruh's puppet.

That leaves, what, Philadelphia and maybe San Diego if they forget how Marty got run?

Actually you are missing quite a few teams. Here's a list of teams I think are likely to change coaches; Cle, KC, Jac, Car, Det, SD, Dal, Oak, Jets, Philly and Wash is always in the mix, and Cincy should be. I'ts a LOCK half these teams switch, I would wager at kleast 3 quarters of em.

That's a lot of friggin' jobs. Not sure what the record turnover is, but it'll be broken this year.

leadpipe wrote:Incidentally, wonder what the fact that there is practically a LOCK that a half dozen NFL coaching jobs will be available this offseason - I could see as many as 8, does to the Browns scramble to find someone who knows what the hell is going on?

If Haslam has even a moderate tendency to spend, that already puts us ahead of KC, Carolina, and Buffalo in the hunt. And no competent head coach is going to take being Jerruh's puppet.

That leaves, what, Philadelphia and maybe San Diego if they forget how Marty got run?

Actually you are missing quite a few teams. Here's a list of teams I think are likely to change coaches; Cle, KC, Jac, Car, Det, SD, Dal, Oak, Jets, Philly and Wash is always in the mix, and Cincy should be. I'ts a LOCK half these teams switch, I would wager at kleast 3 quarters of em.

That's a lot of friggin' jobs. Not sure what the record turnover is, but it'll be broken this year.

mattvan1 wrote:I'll say one thing about the Shurminator - once he finds something that works, he's not afraid to go back to it again. And again. And again.

On the positive - Smith >>>>>> Marecic, and the run game between the tackles, especially when they pulled the backside G around, worked well.

As for the rest - I especially loved the sandlot double reverse when Cribbs flipped the ball up as if it were a live ferret. And running the Weeden roll right about 8 times, even after the Chargers stopped it the third, fourth, fifth, etc. time. Also notable is the Weeds one step drop to throw the quick out - it gives every DE a chance to pretend they're JJ Watt

Yeah, you know, I agree. I'm with you. There was a lot to like there yesterday.

leadpipe wrote:Incidentally, wonder what the fact that there is practically a LOCK that a half dozen NFL coaching jobs will be available this offseason - I could see as many as 8, does to the Browns scramble to find someone who knows what the hell is going on?

If Haslam has even a moderate tendency to spend, that already puts us ahead of KC, Carolina, and Buffalo in the hunt. And no competent head coach is going to take being Jerruh's puppet.

That leaves, what, Philadelphia and maybe San Diego if they forget how Marty got run?

Actually you are missing quite a few teams. Here's a list of teams I think are likely to change coaches; Cle, KC, Jac, Car, Det, SD, Dal, Oak, Jets, Philly and Wash is always in the mix, and Cincy should be. I'ts a LOCK half these teams switch, I would wager at kleast 3 quarters of em.

That's a lot of friggin' jobs. Not sure what the record turnover is, but it'll be broken this year.

8 at the most, but probably more like 6. Half of which will be more appetizing than the Cleveland job.

I think a lot depends on how much power is given to Banner and who ends up being the GM. I can see downsides to many the teams you mention (including the Browns, of course), either from the roster or financial difficulties but mostly from my opinion that any coach worth is salt is not going to want to work under Jerry Jones or Scott Pioli or AJ Smith.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

Someone was on the radio last week (maybe LaConforia or whatever his name is) saying there will be a bigger push for cleaning out front offices across the league than at any time in history. Of course, each of those will include a coaching change once a new GM is in place but the much bigger off season news will be the great GM Search.

I think if Banner was to keep Heckert, it would give the Browns a slight leg up on the coaching search. And of everyone in Berea, I believe Heckert deserves to keep his job out of everyone.