Saturday, February 24, 2007

Monbiot: "Why do I bother with these morons?"

"Because they are destroying the movements some of us have spent a long time trying to build," George Monbiot writes in the Guardian today. It started here, and for his pains, this is what Monbiot heard:

"You did this hit piece because your corporate masters instructed you to. You are a controlled asset of the new world order ... bought and paid for." "Everyone has some skeleton in the cupboard. How else would MI5 and special branch recruit agents?" "Shill, traitor, sleeper", "leftwing gatekeeper", "accessory after the fact", "political whore of the biggest conspiracy of them all".

I'm all of these things and more, as I've learned from the responses to my Tyee column in recent weeks:

I'm an apologist and propagandist for European Jewry, an elite tool of the Zionists, a fomenter of hate, a warmonger ideologue, a peace-movement slanderer, a Ziocon creep and an infiltrator. I'm a diatribe-mongering Islam-despising, war-loving former girl named Teri who had a sex change operation, a Coulterian protege-provocateur, a friend of George Bush, a shill for the Israel lobby, a CIA agent, a secret advocate of Dershowitzianism, and "evidence of just how deeply the Israel Lobby has infiltrated every aspect of our media." I'm a gatekeeper to the Ziocon false-flag hegemony. I'm an "Aspernazi whore."

My favourite: According to George Galloway, I'm proof that "the degeneration of that part of what once might have been considered left has no limit."

Comrade Andrew has come up with a remedy: "My plan is to fight madness with madness. It's a battle the conspiracy nuts cannot hope to win. For I am the Moscow of madness, whereas they are merely the provincial weather stations."

This is the result:

UPDATE: Andrew's 9-11 Video and his accompanying essay is up on Tyee. Straightaway, the whackjobs were at him like a pack of rats. Andrew's nailed it: ". . .the real danger posed by the irrational in this Age of Reason is that, utterly disowned, it will wander the streets unrecognized, and then come up behind you and bite you on the ass. Geopolitically and metaphorically speaking, that's what happened with 9-11. . ."

I posted this earlier today at Back Talk---If the surveys are accurate it seems that fully one third of the American public is prepared to believe that President Bush was behind 9/11.

This belief is completely illogical, since we know not only that al Qaeda carried out the attacks but also how the particular al Qaeda terrorists involved carried out their missions. And we know that the attacks were in the planning stages for at least two years before they were carried out.

Those who believe in the ultimate Bush fantasy can only maintain their delusion by ignoring the role of al Qaeda or by concluding that Bush was conspiring with al Qaeda even while he was Governor of Texas.

And how considerate of al Qaeda to take credit for the attacks and not spill the beans on their co-conspirator even as he unleashed American forces to drive them out of their sanctuary in Afghanistan and force their leaders to live in caves.

And, of course, how curious that in an age of anti-administration leaks not one of the many dozens -or would it be hundreds or even thousands - who must have participated in the biggest hoax in history has leaked any information about the conspiracy.

And for those who believe that Bush did not conspire with al Qaeda but simply allowed the attacks to take place- so that he could liberate 58 million Muslims- clearly he could have justified the "attacks" on Afghanistan and Iraq if he had thwarted the attacks of 9/11. And if had prevented the attacks of 9/11 he would have been the all time American hero and he could have claimed the attacks would have killed 50,000, not 3,000, Americans.

And from whence came this overwhelming mania of GWB that this good Christian man would risk his own neck and condemn his soul to eternal damnation by attacking his own country? Do these wingnuts really think he attacked his own country so he could justify liberating Muslims from tyranny. (And please don't insult my intelligence, and your own, by claiming that the motivation was oil. The U.S. has stolen not one drop of oil from Iraq.)

And the same peope who were capable of the 9/11 conspiracy wouldn't have been capable of successfully conspiring to plant WMD in Iraq?

What is it about Bush that has provoked such widespread insanity?

It's one of the fundamental questions of our time. One of my theories is that if you are a pacifist you want to cast George Bush as a villain so you can ignore the rise of Islamofascism.

"I'm an apologist and propagandist for European Jewry, an elite tool of the Zionists, a fomenter of hate, a warmonger ideologue, a peace-movement slanderer, a Ziocon creep and an infiltrator." self-described Terry.

Coyote said:...."I'm an apologist and propagandist for European Jewry, an elite tool of the Zionists, a fomenter of hate, a warmonger ideologue, a peace-movement slanderer, a Ziocon creep and an infiltrator." self-described Terry.

Which yeah, sounds about right. :-)"....

.....Dude why are you making such a fool of yourself.I have some problems with some of Mr Glavin's views also.But for christsakes he is but a writer expressing his opinion,nothing more nothing less.In the end your opinion,nor Mr Glavin's opinion matters in the least.It's what you do,you know your actions that count.The rest is just hot airDirk gimpchronicles.com

And when you put your views out there Dirk, as a writer, you should expect that they will be criticized-, but not banned.

I am not a Holocaust denier. Indeed I understand that millions of Jews, along with millions of Communists, Anarchists, Socialist, Atheists and Russians (who had more dead in the Second World War than all others combined), along with Slavs, Gypsies and homesexuals. What I question is, is the legitimacy of the Zionist State of Israel, imposed upon the people of Palestine, by the UN or whatever, who were not connected with the crimes of Hitler in any way, and indeed, until the Zionist Stern and other gangs turned on them, provided the Jews escaping Europe with sanctuary. To expect that Palestinians should lie down and surrender their country in order to compensate for European war crimes, and have Zionist Israel with Amerikan strategic aid, deliver its own Holocaust upon the people of Palestine, is a crime not even a growing body of Jewish opinion agrees with; Orthodox Jewry and others, in Israel, Great Britain, Amerika, and elsewhere in the world.

Glavin needs to come clean and acknowledge this as well. And to speak out against Tyee or any other such bannings of opinion such as mine.

Jews are themselves increasingly divided along similar lines and engaged to the kind of debate now launched here in Canada and elsewhere, questioning Israel and Zionist Israeli policy in Palestine. It is a legitimate debate for them, and for we gentiles no less.

"To expect that Palestinians should lie down and surrender their country in order to compensate for European war crimes, and have Zionist Israel with Amerikan strategic aid, deliver its own Holocaust upon the people of Palestine. . ."

Classic. I'm leaving it up.

Dirk: Thanks for defending my right to express my opinions about Israel - but if you can find some opinion I've written about Israel, let me know.

Coyote the only thing I can say is.Layoff the name calling and the labels.Such tactics just weaken your argument.Indeed many will focus on,only the weakest points of your argument.While ignoring the rest.As I said I have some problems with Mr.Glavin's positions on some things,but none the less he does make valid points and criticisms of some aspects of those that identify as"lefties" or are of the "left".But I would question the level of importance(that Mr Glavin seems attach to some of these manifestations of wingnuttery) and how deeply some of these mindsets penetrate or are representative of the "left".That said Mr Glavin is no body fool,read a few of his books,in regards to fisheries,First Nations,and the environment.I am sure you will see another side to Mr Glavin,that is very representative of many many people on the "left".A point of view that can not be so easily dismissed with the applications of a few labels.To do so is to blind one self,take the easy way out.While at the same time emulating,the same kind of simplistic thinking that fuels,Bush et al.Dirk gimpchronicles.com

The person posting above is not the real "Coyote" (of Tyee fame).The real one can be found here:http://thecoyotehowls.blogspot.com/

The "Coyote" impersonator is a "retired transportation worker from Revelstoke BC" whereas the "real Coyote" is a young overzealous "activist" member of ISM (a Palestinian cheer leading group that advocates for violent "resistance") from Saskatchewan.

Did you really think no one would click on your link and connect the dots? Which brings us full circle. What a moron!

I'm an apologist and propagandist for European Jewry, an elite tool of the Zionists, a fomenter of hate, a warmonger ideologue, a peace-movement slanderer, a Ziocon creep and an infiltrator. I'm a diatribe-mongering Islam-despising, war-loving former girl named Teri who had a sex change operation, a Coulterian protege-provocateur, a friend of George Bush, a shill for the Israel lobby, a CIA agent, a secret advocate of Dershowitzianism, and "evidence of just how deeply the Israel Lobby has infiltrated every aspect of our media." I'm a gatekeeper to the Ziocon false-flag hegemony. I'm an "Aspernazi whore."

Well can you put a word in for me then? Bastards keep blackballing me.

What I question is, is the legitimacy of the Zionist State of Israel, imposed upon the people of Palestine, by the UN or whatever, who were not connected with the crimes of Hitler in any way, and indeed, until the Zionist Stern and other gangs turned on them, provided the Jews escaping Europe with sanctuary.

The Zionist policy toward Arab violence prior to the late 1930's and the emergence of the Stern Gang, was to maintain guards at the perimeters of their settlements - which were bought earlier at inflated prices from comprador bourgeoise absentee and local effendis like Amin al-Husseini - and otherwise refrain from retaliating against Husseini and Black Hand jihadists. This mainstream Zionist policy was called 'havlaga' (a Hebrew word meaning: self-restraint).

It was only after the the 3 year long Palestinian Arab leadership's revolt which began in 1936 that the most marginal fraction of the Zionist movement, the right wing revisionists, splintered creating the even smaller groupscule of Zionist militant cadres of Avraham Stern. Moreover, the Stern gang was opposed by mainstream Zionists who found their violent tactics repugnant and counterproductive.

Second, the reason the Jews in British Mandate Palestine achieved self-determination and statehood is not because the United Nations voted in favour of a two state solution, but rather because the Jews in Palestine weren't defeated, exterminated and/or ethnically cleansed by either the local pan-Arab nationalist militias during their jihad in 1947, nor by the six invading Arab armies who initiated the violence in 1948, despite assistance from the British to Transjordan and despite no assistance to Palestinian Jews either from the British, or the American governments. Had the Jews of Palestine been defeated by the invading Arab armies and their local allies, the UN vote would never have occurred as it would have been moot to vote on a two state partition after the Jews of Palestine had been wiped out.

Finally, just because some antizionists happen to have Jewish family backgrounds or are ultratheocrats like the Neturei Carta, doesn't automatically make their views legitimate, or laudable, anymore than saying that because the hilltop youth type of religious Zionists vehemently oppose the Israeli government, their views are legitimate or laudable. See this essay.

Sorry my error. The UN vote on partition took place on November 29, 1947, not after the Arab armies invaded as I had suggested erroneously in my last post.

Nonetheless, had the Jews of Palestine been defeated and exterminated and/or expelled, not only would UNGA resolution 181 (which was not a Security Council resolution and therefore not binding under Chapter VII of the UN Charter) have been a dead letter, but also the recognition of Israel's statehood by other countries (11 minutes after the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel at 18:00 (Washington, D.C. time), on 14 May 1948, the United States formally recognized the State of Israel, followed by Guatemala, Nicaragua and Uruguay. The Soviet Union recognized the State of Israel on 17 May 1948, followed by Poland, Czechoslovakia (formally), Yugoslavia (formally), Republic of Ireland and South Africa) after Israel declared its statehood on May 14, 1948 would not have mattered an iota either.