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The Book of the Diner is well worth preserving. I only wish it had reached a broader audience when it might have mattered more. That is a testament to the blindness of our culture. If there is a future to look back from, one difficult question historians will have to ask is how we let this happen, when so many saw it coming. This site has certainly aggregated enough information and critical thinking to prove that.[/b]

Im no expert on this, but I cant help thinking a critical distinction is being overlooked in that graph. Boiling water which will condense and fall to earth in power generation is not as bad as the colossal amount of water used in fracking the gas to get it even if the water is not used in burnng the gas to generate power. The fracking water full of chemicals allowed to be kept secret is then dumped and pollutes the place. Apples and oranges?

Im no expert on this, but I cant help thinking a critical distinction is being overlooked in that graph. Boiling water which will condense and fall to earth in power generation is not as bad as the colossal amount of water used in fracking the gas to get it even if the water is not used in burnng the gas to generate power. The fracking water full of chemicals allowed to be kept secret is then dumped and pollutes the place. Apples and oranges?

I have seen similar statistics suggested in the past and it is my guess that the figures quoted above are for the gas production cycle only and do not include the water used for hydrolic fracturing. Another point to bear in mind is that all natural gas production produces some leakage of gases most notably methane. The methane leakage maybe a relatively small amount to total gas production at around 1-3% but bear in mind that methane has a warming effect that is 30 times more potent than CO2. This means it only takes a small amount of leaking gases to significantly alter the environment impact of this mode of energy production. It has also been stated that unconventional gas production from fracking has higher leaking rates than conventional gas meaning the supposed environmental benefits are likely overstated.

Im no expert on this, but I cant help thinking a critical distinction is being overlooked in that graph. Boiling water which will condense and fall to earth in power generation is not as bad as the colossal amount of water used in fracking the gas to get it even if the water is not used in burnng the gas to generate power. The fracking water full of chemicals allowed to be kept secret is then dumped and pollutes the place. Apples and oranges?