Most places find that violent crime goes DOWN when gun laws are less strict

Real reason the left pushes gun control is that they hate white folks having guns to shoot back at minority criminals. Our politically-correct and White Guilt Liberal media will never report nor admit to this

CanuckInCA:sno man:Up here in Canuckistan where we are a bit more, ahem, conservative about gun ownership crime rates are going down too.

/a curious aside: there were 552 murders in all of Canada in 2010. There were just less than half that in L.A. (one tenthish the population) and/or also in New Orleans (one 100thish)

I think the murder rates in cities like LA or New Orleans might be the result of slightly more complex factors than access to guns. Last I checked Canadian gangs have no problems getting them and shooting them off in public.

If liberals just forgot about this stupid gun control wedge issue (their version of the right wing's flag burning amendment) and embraced firearms they would rob the GOP of one of the only remaining legs they have to stand on. It would be like kicking them in the nuts.

Think of the trolling opportunities for Obama. If he went out duck hunting one weekend with someone like Nancy Pelosi or Hillary, and got plenty of pictures of them carrying a shotgun, wearing his neon vest, camo, and shiatkickers with some dead ducks slung over his shoulder, he would have the GOP passing anti-gun laws within days.

dustman81:Let's look at Kennesaw, GA. A town where gun ownership isn't just encouraged, it's the law.

Named in 2007 as Family Circle's "10 best towns for families".

In 2008, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes, as compared to 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. 555 property crimes were recorded as compared to 1,124 in Dalton and 1,802 in Hinesville. (From the Financial Times)

President Merkin Muffley:dustman81: Let's look at Kennesaw, GA. A town where gun ownership isn't just encouraged, it's the law.

Named in 2007 as Family Circle's "10 best towns for families".

In 2008, Kennesaw recorded 31 violent crimes, as compared to 127 in Dalton and 188 in Hinesville. 555 property crimes were recorded as compared to 1,124 in Dalton and 1,802 in Hinesville. (From the Financial Times)

I'll bite. What are the populations of each town and the crimes as a percentage of those populations.

Dustman81 will deliver, let's just wait.

I checked it out, and they're actually comparable. However, they're in completely different parts of the state, and have completely different demographics.

Jesus Christ - I actually used to sort of like guns a little bit before I started hanging out here. Now, I'm constantly reminded that most of you compulsively masturbate over your Cabela's catalog, using bore oil for lube, and frankly I'm so disgusted that I'm finally ready to ban the goddamn things.

Has anyone pointed out yet that since 2006, Virginia has become significantly more blue? Obviously, Republicans cause gun violence!

or

Since 2006, Virginia has experienced a noticeable rise in average temperatures. Global warming clearly leads to less gun violence.

or

Since 2006, the number of IT workers in Virginia has climbed steadily while gun crimes have gone down. Clearly, more basement-dwelling nerds leads to a safer society.

or

Ok, you get the point. All this proves is that either increased number of privately owed guns do not lead to an increase in gun violence (which makes sense, since most gun owner are not killers/shooters, and since someone who is likely to attack someone with a gun only needs one. Giving him two or three isn't going to make him more prone to using them); OR that increased number of guns purchased DO cause an increase in the amount of gun violence, but other factors outweigh this relationship and are causing gun violence to drop despite the increased number of guns; OR that a large number of guns purchased in Virginia end up in other states.

Until the exact relationship is sussed out, this stat is (like 99% of stats) absolutely useless.

But seriously...do liberals even argue for gun control anymore? It seems like conservatives are just screaming at a wall here, since I don't hear any liberals who have not personally been shot by a crazed gunman coming out against responsible gun ownership.