Comments on: Guest Post: Raid Size ~ Two Months Onhttps://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/guest-post-raid-size-two-months-on/
There's no bacon like Holy BaconTue, 19 Sep 2017 02:11:22 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: AliPallyhttps://bossypally.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/guest-post-raid-size-two-months-on/#comment-2709
Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:52:38 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2709In Wrath our 25s always struggled to make the progress our 10s did, despite the fact our 25s were seen as the main aim of the guild. Some people just weren’t as committed to the 25s, and we struggled with sign-ups and there were always ‘slackers’ who put in the minimum effort every raid.
We did used to run 10s as well as 25s, but as our 10s were always secondary to 25s, we tended to only run 10s one day a week. Despite that, we got our Glory titles in 10 man, whereas in 25s we didn’t even beat the LK in normal mode.

Now we just run 10s; our team is settled, we have a better understanding of each other, and everyone is doing their best. I wish our 25s could have been of the same standard, but they sadly weren’t, and I am happy we have abandoned them.

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Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:25:44 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-270825 Man BH drops 6 loots not 5, i thought some other bosses dropped 6 as well. Slightly more valor, meh, I have all ready run out of valor upgrades and i am siting on 2k pts, slightly more Guild rep. But with the small loot tables and the fact, you can get up to 3? of the same drop from the same boss you get a lot of wastage. Back to back triple hit offhand drops and I think we have had enough cloth hats for every person in the raid.

But I still prefer 25 man over 10. 25 feels like a raid, 10 is a group of friends.

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Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:19:46 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2707PS. Thank you for adding me to your blogroll. 🙂
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Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:18:51 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2706Oh yes, there have been many times where it seems everybody is on a similar page and writing about a common topic. I don’t think that it’s too unusual considering we’re all playing the same game and experiencing similar changes. Especially when you consider that Cataclysm has brought some major differences.

I’m like you in the sense that I don’t tend to hold onto my posts for very long. I think it’s because once I get it pounded out it burns a hole in my pocket. The longest I’ve held onto a post is ’til the next day, and that’s just because the template I use doesn’t separate posts on the same day and so one inevitably gets missed.

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Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:53:43 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2704Fantastic post, Janyaa. I’m still amazed by the blogs I sometimes miss — particularly when they belong to people I already talk to on Twitter!

Added you finally to blog roll and reader.

It’s kinda interesting actually; it’s almost like this topic went out as a hive-mind version of a BA Shared Topic.

I saw Larisa’s post on the matter which finally decided me on a topic to do for this guest post which I’d been trying to think on since December, and I started writing it on the day.

Then between the time I first wrote it, and then finally submitted final revision to Ophelie to post, about a half dozen other posts on the same topic came up from about the place.

All of them quite good; which almost made me want to pick something else! xD In the end glad stayed with this one, but it was certainly an odd experience.

Not used to having blog posts held for so long, I typically blog by the seat of my pants, write and post. At most I might hold a post a half day or so to post during the US AM, but never much more than that.

I bet people who schedule posts further in advance are often frustrated by this. xD

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Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:35:41 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2703Wow, Naithin, it sounds like your and my thought processes about switching to 25man to 10man raiding is very similar. Overall, I am surprised at how satisfied I am with my 10man raiding.

Although, I am concerned about the lack of bench and how easy/ hard it will be to recruit if we lose a player due to real life.

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Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:49:11 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2700If it is just 5 drops per 25m raid boss then you’re correct and the ratio is the same.

As for why I said it:

Quote: NethaeraWe of course recognize the logistical realities of organizing larger groups of people, so while the loot quality will not change, 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you’re able to gather the people. The raid designers are designing encounters with these changes in mind, and the class designers are making class changes to help make 10-person groups easier to build. Running 25-player raids will be a bit more lucrative, as should be expected, but if for a week or two you need to do 10s because half the guild is away on vacation, you can do that and not suffer a dramatic loss to your ability to get the items you want.

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However, just double checked myself, and it appears for whatever reason that never came to pass.

25m raid bosses do seem to give more valour points per kill (source) but I think that on its own is hardly sufficient motivation to keep 25m as a ‘more rewarding’ way to go for groups that fight to organise the numbers like yours is doing.

So it appears I was going off old and incorrect information. So with Claisa being correct on that point, I’m more inclined to believe 10m is missing some heroic tokens too (which I guess might be the motivation to 25m? I would’ve preferred the originally planned motivation if so… But.. oh well) but I haven’t yet been able to find anything on that topic.

At work at the moment so basically limited in browsing time to breaks at the moment. 😦

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Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:55:50 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2699can’t understand why you say the ratio is better in 25 mans. The bosses drop 5 items in 25 mans = 1 per 5 players. In 10 man they drop 2 items = 1 item per 5 players. Is’nt that the same?
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Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:55:35 +0000http://bossypally.wordpress.com/?p=2368#comment-2698Agreed that 25m raiding had a more epic feeling to it, and it certainly seemed to be held as the more ‘elite’ and ‘real’ raiding tier.

I have thought about it since writing the post, and I wonder if it might be some hold over from either:
a) The 40m raiding days, 25m is closest to that number you can get, closest to the original and thus ‘real’ raiding style,
or
b) Burning Crusade; Kara was held in high regard and is many raiders favourite raid, but it was still a second class citizen or perhaps like the little sibling to the ‘real’ raid content of SSC, The Eye, Black Temple, etc.

There was no 10m version and so it literally was the only ‘real’ raiding content.

I think more likely the answer falls with (b), and the mentality carried over into Wrath even though on most fights the 10m version was legitimately more difficult.

There were some exceptions though, Thaddius for example was more difficult in 25m vs 10m. Patchwerk was at first due to the increased damage on tank relative to the early gear levels, but for the most part, yeah, 10m was harder.

Still. My biggest hope at the moment is that Larisa ends up ok. Certainly turned the whole look at this from the purely academic to the more personal. When I wrote it was fairly sure Larisa had already ended up alright,but it would appear not.