White Problems – Should children drink wine?

“It usually doesn’t take. Most of the time kids — teenagers, anyway — would as soon snicker at their old man’s obsessions as indulge him. Even so, I can’t help hoping that my sons might share my taste in music and food, books and movies, ball teams and politics. Why should wine be any different?”

Stuff White People Like examines the issue: Should white children be allowed to drink wine?

Yes:

White people need to learn about wine as soon as possible. Not learning until college puts them at an inherent disadvantage to Europeans and white children raised abroad. It is strongly recommended that children learn about wine regions, vintages, terroir, and tannins in elementary school to give them that all important leg up when they reach college.

Being able to declare “my favorite wine as a child” in a conversation is recognized as more impressive than stories about extended visits to wine regions. In fact, it can only be topped by a story about opening your own vineyard.

No:

White people also enjoy binge drinking.

Final Call:

White children should drink wine. They should not be allowed to drink beer or other “party” liquors.

Ugh my girlfriend wants to own a vineyard when she gets old. I think only white women should drink wine when their kids, then they’ll drink that in college instead of tequila slammers which often leads to bro slamming.

My dad and stepmom always let me drink a little wine with dinner from the time I was a kid. Of course, now I have their palate, but they have great taste. I can say things like, “I’ve been drinking Pinot Noirs **long** before “Sideways” came out.”

Also, wanted to note that this site gave me that little extra push to start writing my own thing about local agriculture and how we can marry this idea with pretentious ideaologies about food. Since it is kind of related… http://culiinist.com

I’m not white
I dont drink wine, dont have gay friends, dont care about traveling, never want to be in San Francisco, have a college degree that is actually applicable to the real world, dont have a problem with shopping at Wal-Mart.

A couple of years ago, it was Shiraz. Nothing sounds cooler than ordering a glass of “SHIRAHHHHZZZZ.” It’s like a Syrah on steroids.

I have no idea what wine white people are drinking now.

White people also like to drink Stella Artois even though its considered the equivalent of Bud Light in Belgium. The girlie type of white person thinks the name sounds sophisticated. Bonus white person points for simply ordering “a Stella.”

That’s true about the Stella Artois. In grad school (white person liberal arts degree here!) I heard someone talking about how much she loved Stella Artois and how it was considered one of the best beers in Belgium. One of the European grad students wasted no time in correcting her.

First of all, I’m surprised that Eric Asimov was able to convince some hapless woman out there that he wasn’t one of the dudes from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy long enough to succeed in procreating (more than once, apparently).

Second of all, if, when my children reach their teenage years, they drink wine and not Pabst Blue Ribbon that they begged a friend’s older brother to buy for them, I’ll know that the whole “time out” thing is a complete failure and that I should’ve spanked their asses during their formative years (and since their formative years happen to be right now, maybe I should and beat them pre-emptively tonight… just to be on the safe side).

My favorite part of trendy bars is when you see a couple bearded white people hunched over the bar, force feeding themselves an incredibly disgusting beer (ie: arrogant bastard) for the sole reason that it comes served in an awkwardly-shaped glass. Its secret white code that the more extreme the glass your beer is served, the better you are than the person next to you.

John McCain would bitch slap you if John McCain’s arms worked properly.

(By the way, do you know what John McCain frickin’ loves? Referring to himself — that would be John McCain — in the third person.)

P.S. Your posts are prohibited by a little-known clause in McCain-Feingold. Feds in black helicopters will visit your home shortly. Kiss the kids on the forehead and pat the wife on the ass because you won’t be seeing them for a while. A long while.

Any kid that says they had a favourite wine as a child is a liar and an idiot.
I was given wine like every other kid, I drank it sometimes but what the hell kid likes the taste of wine instead of a Coca Cola or something?

White people means HIPSTERS…WHITE WASTE….

Pretentious, predictable douchebags. They try so hard not to judge based on sex, gender, culture and will bend over backwards proudly to show everybody they are not judging another because of their race/colour/sex/culture and feel good about themselves.
But when they meet somebody with different tastes and style than them they all judge.

Dont forget:

White People LOVE pointing OTHER people out as Racists.
It makes them feel great about themselves, and reassured them that they are not racists. They also like finding racism in everything so that they may point it out and gain “points” with who/whatever it discriminates against.

your kids will all drink and most of them will probably smoke weed at some point in their teenage lives, there is next to nothing you can do about it, but you can explain that to many liberals, they dont understand that you can’t control the way people behave

So, this all points to an interesting question: Is ordering an obscure/trendy microbrew/import a way of distinguishing yourself from someone who orders wine? That is, is it a way to demonstrate to others that you are in fact not “white” as per this blog? Does such an attempt make them even whiter?

Actually, it’s conservative parents who are obsessed with control and who think they can keep their kids from drinking and smoking pot…liberal parents are the ones drinking wine (and smoking pot) with their kids because they know they’re going to do it anyway. Hence, this post and the post on marijuana. The ‘right kind’ of white people love drinking wine/microbrews and smoking pot with their kids…it lets everyone know how intelligent they truely are.

I don’t want to kill anyone’s buzz, but white kids have been “studying wine” for years. My white (teenage) friends and I used to pair wines such as Boone’s Farm, Thunderbird and MD 20/20 with a sack full of White Castles, or perhaps a “beef n bean” burrito from 7-11.

I never understood the connection between recreational under-age drinking and alcoholism. I’m no expert (save 10 years as a bartender), but it seems to me some folks can handle the sauce, and others cannot.

I do not believe alcoholism is a “disease” nor to I believe it to be “hereditary”. Sometimes people drink too much, or drink for the wrong reasons. Some people drink appropriately, while others do not. These behaviors are the result of choice. It’s very simple, if one’s drinking becomes unhealthy, either he/she deals with the problem, or the problem deals with him/her.

Im so glad (and fortunate) to have a mother addicted to prescription medication, while also being an alcoholic. Since ive been a child, I knew the best wines on the market, and which wines goes best with which prescription drugs. Now I know most people cant hold their ambien and red wine very easily without having amnesia, but for me I can easily function properly with both in my system. I can operate heavy machinery and still teach the children about the best areas in Italy to buy the most authentic, and expensive olive oil (you never know when you might need to know where to get the best olive oil). I am fortunately not an alcoholic like my mother, I only drink one bottle of wine a day, and it is apparently very good for the heart. I say its very important to teach small children the proper wines to drink and for them to know the taste, so they can easily identify the wine, and the region it was grown. I dont consider wine a liquor, since its been around for thousands of years….was jesus a drunk? no. Wine should be the prodominate drink at every meal, even breakfast. Wine just screams culture, class, refinement. So I say why not drink up!

Also, I agree. Wine basics should be a part of late high school education for all white children & friends of white children. I am quite proud that my younger brother knows enough about wine so that he won’t be embarrassed ordering a bottle a year from now, when he is legal.

Great post! I was just having that conversation with a bunch of other white people. We all grew up in Ontario, Canada (English) but have lived/spent time in Quebec (French). We were agreeing that in Quebec kids drink earlier, but they seem to do much less binge drinking in University than the kids from English Canada.

That could be another post, if you wanted to doing something for your Canadian fans. In general all white Canadians agree that things are more civilized (more European) in Quebec. But few choose to live there for long if they’re not native Quebecers, because of the poor economy and oppressive language laws (if you’re not a French speaker.)

Most people who drink are not alcoholics. They enjoy a glass or two of wine or beer because of the ‘taste.” Contrary to conventional wisdom social drinkers are more sensitive to the effect of alcohol than ardent booze hounds. They may enjoy the mildly ephemeral buzz of a drink but anything more than one or two ounces triggers unpleasant psychoactive consequences in the form of anxiety, fearfulness or nausea.

Alcoholics drink because they love the stuff more than sex, more than their wives and children, more than life itself. The addiction is purely physiological and has nothing to do with a stressful job, a bad marriage or poor judgment.

To the point: If an alcoholic drinks, even as a toddler or teen sipping from mommy’s glass of merlot, he is doing what he loves best.

My parents had the opinion that if they would let me drink wine or beer or whatever, so long as I was at home. As soon as my mom let me, I grabbed a glass of wine and tried to drink it. It was so foul that I never wanted to touch the stuff again. To this day, wine (and beer) just turn my stomach. They should have tried this same technique with vodka.

What the heck is remotely “corny” “liberal” white about drinking wine?? Our ancestors have loved the hell out of it for thousands of years. How do you think Europe became so damn densely populated. Some frankish warrior came home from slaying saracens, gave thanks to god, drank a ton of good wine and made love to the wife of his vanquished foe on top of some animal pelts.

My (white) parents let me have wine at holiday meals starting when I was about 14 or 15. I never felt the need to go out to and get trashed or sneak booze into the house. I’m glad I have a healthy attitude about alcohol thanks to them.

As far as wine, nobody should ever, ever drink white wine, EVER! It should be outlawed, or put in tanker trucks and all moved to Oklahoma or SOMEPLACE where they could neutralize the stuff! But a nice glass of 15.2% Zinfandel is a great way for kids to start the day, I must say. I mean, it worked for me!

PS – Just a random comment on this hilarious site: I suggest a name change. It should be What White People Likes.

can we get a post about how young white parents like to bring their kids out to eat at restaurants that clearly aren’t designed for children? they’ll even bring their own screw in high chairs to places that don’t have booster seats

Of course white children should drink wine with meals … starting with diluted wine at 5-6 and transitioning to undiluted wine (just a small amount) by the time they are 8-10. How else is a child supposed to develop his or her palate? They need to learn what’s good (and why) and what wines go with what foods. Children who drink wine growing up will not be the merlot bingers of the next generation.

My parents started me at 5 or 6 and we started our children at the same age. Now in their early 20s, the kids have excellent palates, good taste memories, and have tasted — and talked about — first rate wines for over a decade. They understand about buying wine, laying red wines down for aging for a decade or so, and how wines mature.

As a child growing up in Darien, my parents not only encouraged our drinking, but made “toddler binge-drinkers” out of us. The rationale was that if we drank until we were commode-hugging drunk as kids, moderation in alcohol would rule our lives as adults. And it worked. Today, I enjoy one or two Dewars a day and perhaps a Puligny-Montrachet with supper but that’s about it. My boyfriend, on the other hand, has battled alcohol addiction since he first went off to Choate. OMG, I hold his crazed Episcoplaian parents totally responsible. He was never pernitted to imbibe at home, and that first bottle of Glenfiddich at 15 completely altered his brain chemistry for life. I suspect that’s how he ended up in bed with the cable guy recently. I, on the other hand, was pernitted to drain the leftover glasses of Bungundy, Bordeaux, and Pouilly-Fuisse at every event in my home to the delight of my parents and guests. In fact, they gave me a Sauterne for my 6th birthday. Once, I remember my father’s being sloshed on a fine Chateau Pichon-Longueville, holding my head like really hard and forcing me to swallow the stuff until I bit into the glass! (It was Thanksgiving Eve…still no excuse as I was only 5) My lip was cut badly, but my mother was furious with him because I had broken the Waterford (her mother’s) Later, he gave me the label for a little home-made scrapbook, and I’ve been a responsible drinker as an adult although I still carry the physical scar. Miles’ injuries are all from adult DWI auto accidents. The moral? Let your kids booze it up as soon as they show an intrest in liquor.

My mother used to actually take me out with her gay male friends to cool dinner places, and I thought it was hilarious- (Okay, so my mothers friends were gay guys, but they were waiters that worked with her, and she’s French, so I think it is more the gay waiter liking to hang with French women thing)-
But my mother didn’t give me wine, even being French. If I asked for it, she probably would have, but what kid wants wine when you can have a Shirley Temple?

I think the reason this site is able to present these ideas as “white” things is because most media types ARE these kinds of people, who tend to seek out whites similar to themselves as subjects of their “human-interest” stories with white subjects. Hence the popular media image of what whites are: wealthy neurotic pantywaists. The reporters and producers don’t relate to lower class whites (I’m talking about the national media). I don’t recall seeing many sympathetic news stories about the poor/working class who happen to be white. Usually those stories are reserved for other races. To me it comes off pretty obvious that everything here is lampooning whites only of a certain stripe, but it’s more clever to be subtle and not call it “stuffrichwhiteliberals” like…Would take most of the fun away.

#? – White people like “Stuff White People Like”. Whether it is to confirm their whiteness or because it is now a great starter for a hip conversation with the other white folks in the office. White people like to know Stuff White People Like.

#? – White people like to curl their upturned nose even a little further towards their forehead by submitting huffy comments to the blog Stuff White People Like. It fulfills their need to display their superior intellect. Sending off a terse, but well constructed comment to Stuff White People Like is the new “I don’t own a television” card for expressing white people’s clear mental superiority and lack of time for the trivial type of humor designed for “the other people”.

Thank you, sir. Yes, I still have the label from the Chateau
d’Yquem. The gave me a Roquefort and foie-gras to go with it, and all of it probably contributed to the early onset of diabetes I battle. Anyway, your daughter has a wondeful father. My niece has moved on to Chilean wines (at 7!)

It helps the children sleep! Plus, that way we can feel more European! And, we shan’t have our offspring pop in to a dinner party without proving their impervious background, education, and sophistication, shall we.

Am I the only one using this blog to find new stuff to like? I figure if I already like most of the things on your list, I would also probably like Netflix and David Sedaris…which were previously unknown to me (how I could have made this oversight, I have no idea).

Is the white kid French? Then the answer’s an obvious Oui, because he/she already does.

Our younger kid — wanted to be 30 since she was about 4 — loves the idea of wine. She’s always begging for sips of whatever we’re drinking. The kid loves to act like she knows what she’s talking about when her dad breaks down and lets her taste it, then asks her what she thought.

It’s sort of cute … if by “cute”, one means “edging on the creepy”.

Her older sister could not be less interested. “I don’t drink,” she says.

If she tasted the latest sounds-like-an-exotic-disease foreign wine (Chateauneuf-de-Pape?), the older one would probably say, “Wow. That tastes like **ass**.”

OK. I have to ask. Am I a horrible father? We were debating this last night. My friends were getting married a couple of weeks ago and I went to the reception (which was at Foufounes, a local bar) to congratulate them. With my two children. They had cokes, but after numerous pleas I gave one some of my beer. I only had one, in contrast to my Irish heritage. But still, he’s 8.

For the record, my children are multilingual, I own a Mac and an iPod, I prefer Colbert over Stewart, would totally vote for Obama if I was American (unless, of course, Stephen Colbert was accepted), I’m a bit tipsy from the wine I drank at a dinner party, that I hosted, involving sushi and Thai food, and I was wondering when you were going to do an article on bagels?

To go even further on the whiteness scale, I enjoy telling people that I live in the ghetto. The McGill ghetto, bitches.

If I were making a list of ignorant blogs this would definately make it. Sloppily poor observations that people think are clever are dangerous, even more so when they are done under the pretense of ‘just’ being jokes- especially when they claim to be cetain truths about an entire population of people that only exist in the imaginary.

I definitely took great pride in beating my dad and all his friends at wine-tasting competitions when I was 10 years old and onward. I may not have appreciated the wine as much as they did, but my untainted super-sensitive little taste-buds definitely rocked the house when tasting for differences in the wine.

I also throw out the Kokanee my friend offered me at 13 when I tasted how cheap and weak it was on my highly attuned pallate… so yes, learning to appreciate good alcohol at a young age helped me to avoid getting pissed with my friends as a teenager.

Now that I think about it… I’m going to have myself some more wine, play a game of personal Jenga, watch “Road House”, eat a vegetarian chicken pot-pie and fall asleep to my Michael Bolton tape. I hope you can all be so privileged.

Wine actually has less alcohol than some cough medicines per teaspoon. Wine glasses of cough syrup? That was so 2004 . No one drinks that much Nyquil (anymore) because the makers kindly thought to include their own recyclable ‘shot glass’ ! Menthol green or Cherry red?

Isn’t that totally politically incorrect, recommending kids to drink wine? I thought you get busted in the States for drinking under 21. Just watch it, that no politically correct parent sues you :-)))

Sailer: “However, noticing who in the media is related to whom is not SWPL.”

LOL, so true.

Should children drink wine? Let’s rephrase the question: should children drink double espressos?

I’m no doctor but given the existence of Foetal Alcohol Syndrome and the general idea that kids brains are growing and not yet fully formed children – we’re not talking about 15 year olds here, but 6-12 year olds – I’ll have to pass on giving the thumbs up to kids drinking wine. When the writer asks:

“Why should wine be any different?”

it comes across as a bit air-headed. Typical liberal: “what harm can it do?” is their default position on everything, placing the onus on you, the smart person with valuable time, to re-explain the wheel to these blank slate bozos. Eric Asimov is not a young man and shouldn’t be blurting out stupid questions.

I grew up on a sheep farm in Wisconsin and after earning a degree in Fine Art & Photography I aspired to live in a more culturally diverse place, so I moved to the great city of Chicago. As I enjoy the perks of being in a thriving urban area, I also maintain my country roots by gardening, landscaping, playing the banjo, strolling in the park, bicycling and regularly photographing my flora.

Eh. My family always made wine with grapes from their own farm back in the old country. Wine is a beverage to them, and they never got hung up about all this other stuff. Some people do, but I guess everyone needs a hobby.

My grandparents let me try chocolate at a young age, and I still haven’t been able to kick the habit. It’s true, there are pictures aka “blackmail” that my mother has of me with chocolate from one cheek to the other.

Ironically, I tried wine for the first time (that I remember) when I was 14 and visiting my uncle in Germany. If that’s not the most appropriate place to start a drinking habit!! But I never got into wine, the taste of it was a little too tart.

(Your wise ass remark here.)

There are occasions where I’ll pick up a cabernet and enjoy a glass with a good book, listen to some Norah Jones, but that’s been a while now.

Last thing I need is to be some old-timer singing on a plane, right Bill Turk?

This is unrelated but I think white people really like catch phrases from popular culture, like “alrighty then” and “I’m Rick James, bitch” and “who’s your daddy?” and totally running them into the ground.

The scenario would unfold like this: some yuppie would try to be ‘daring’ by announcing that’s he’s been watching NASCAR (oneup-ing your white pals in slumming & irony is a white person obssession) and talk about how much he actually likes Jeff Gordon. The redneck would then snort derisively and say something like “Jeff Gordon?! What, are you some kinda queer like him?” An uncomfortable silence and downward glances would then proceed. The host would be mortified, the party would be ruined, and one yuppie would have his little heart broken.

Funny how white folks are so blase’ about alcohol but majorly freak if their kid knoshes on pizza or something.

the other day, in the farmer’s market, this thirty-something birkenstock babe in a tailored peasant dress gets a call from her kid who is obviously at playdate or something & called to ask permission to eat the pizza they ordered there.

High-Crunch-Factor Chick goes into meltdown mode like she knew the day would come when peer pressure’d exert itself on her & her kid’s lifes but not now, y’know, not today! Not while I’m stressed out on checking my Iphone for the organic authenticity of my fucking produce!

She ends the call with a very earnest plea for the youngin’ to follow its conscience & do the right thing & not eat of the tree of damnation or whatever apocalyptic spin she put on it.

By the look on her face as she slapped her phone shut I knew she knew the score. That kid was going over to the dark side…

I’m really disappointed to see the tangents this site has gone on. I thought it was great before. Now it is very dilluted and contrived. These new types of articles really miss the mark. I assume material has dried up. Instead of ruining what was once a great blog with shoddy material, you should have just let it be.

You can say “cab” and most serious wine people will know you mean Cabernet Sauvignon, and you can say “cabernet” and most serious wine people will know you mean Cabernet Sauvignon. A vineyardist or a winemaker, if the context were unclear, might ask for clarification to confirm you did not mean either Cabernet Franc or Ruby Cabernet, but usually if you meant either you would be specific — without more, “cab” or “cabernet” means Cabernet Sauvignon.

However, I have NEVER heard anyone even remotely knowledgeable about wine say “cab sav.” If I heard it used, as a person with a very long family history in the wine business, I would interpret it as indicating the speaker was not in the business and not a serious oenophile.

The problem that poor old carl is feeling is that white people just aren’t that funny, you can laugh at what they do or don’t do for a short space of time but on the whole they are so fucking boring. They wear boring clothes eat boring food and listen to boring music, however they are excellent at ripping off other peoples culture/food/music/clothing etc and making it their own along with the dollars.

All of those flavored fruit wine drinks such as Boone’s Farm and Annie Greensprings are the tipple of white trash, just as MD20/20, Night Train Express, etc. appeal to a primarily black market, and things like Thunderbird appeal to the ‘wino’ segment of market.

In a sense you are right. The comment is an unqualified generalization. There are many kinds of alcoholics, some moderate drinkers, some binge drinkers, some occasional drinkers and some even contingently “accidental” over- drinkers. And, yes it is easy for the juvenile to get drunk on the cheap with sticky-sweet beverages which the wine, beer and scotch connoisseur would shun.

Still I would advise you to be on the lookout for the kid who at first just seems to be guzzling, sipping, hard- partying then barfing it up along with all the other kids then a few years later starts to peel off from the maturing peer group of responsible drinkers to take a slow downward trajectory. At some point on the descent, You will have no trouble identifying the lost soul whose only goal in life is to get drunk and stay drunk. Most sobering of all is to witness the sad premature death of an alcoholic. No one at his funeral dare utter the comforting eulogy: “He died doing what he loved best.”

I think a better thread would be that White people love Frawnce (the kind of white people mocked here) and the French kids drink wine. Therefore if we were more enlightened, then our kids would drink wine just like the French kids do.

i dont know if theres already a post giving a shout out to this but white people also love:
eating at diners
wearing reasonably upper end trench coats (i.e. burberry)
and reading the onion
pretending like they care/are familiar with whatever the credits are rolling after the movie’s over and the theatre has put the lights back on.

Children should not be limited to drinking wine at home. An important social structure is defined by wine literacy, so wine clubs should be established as afterschool programs at all private schools and upscale suburban public schools.

I think it is important not to create a huge taboo around wine drinking. Instead, teach your children drinking manners. I grew up in a home where, whenever adults were drinking, I always had a glass in front of me. I was taught that I was a lady, and a lady only tastes her drink. I was very proud of myself, and wetted my lips with every toast.

When I became older, the single drink maximum was something I was already used to and stayed true to until I got married.

White people like to say that SWPL has jumped the shark and run out of new material, and needs to get back to the early days when it was keepin’ it real. It’s like this blog is that indie band they “discovered” and now have sold out and gone mainstream with a major record label deal.

What’s wrong with you people? Worried about some lame crap like this when traitorous SOB’s are running this country straight into the ground!

Wake the hell up and put two and two together. Your children won’t be drinking any fine Chardonay, while toasting the memory of their spineless parents. They’ll be happy to drink JACK, the way things are going.

You need to turn off Entertainment Tonight, your Brintney Spears BS, or anything else on the lying, traitorous mass media and pay close attention.

The Fed is now wanting greater powers on our economy, an economy that they are trashing but will be on-hand to provide “the solution.” And Globalist elites are now selling off their dollars and putting their wealth elsewhere.

You people just keep your heads in the sand and play stupid crap 24/7.

Didn’t you have a favorite wine as a child? My favorite — long before I understood it was probably the one of the two best California red wines of the 20th century — was the 1941 Beaulieu Vineyards Georges de Latour Cabernet Sauvignon (which I marginally preferred to the 1941 Inglenook Cask Cabernet Sauvignon, which it turns out, was its closest competitor).

Chardonay, Smardonay. You make lame jokes, like you’re the bright and witty Bon Vivant.

Mkae fun about it. I’ve always enjoyed wine, just fine. But the facts are coming out: Our country is being sold down the river by Globalist Elites who think of all of us as nothing but the “unwashed masses” who imagine themselves as wine experts and laugh in your face as they transport your jobs overseas and import your slave replacements from Mexico and India.

“Being able to declare “my favorite wine as a child” in a conversation is recognized as more impressive than stories about extended visits to wine regions. In fact, it can only be topped by a story about opening your own vineyard.”

Wow…white people should only drink wine, no beer or other liquor??? You sir are nuts. Beer is delicous especially white belgian, but crappy busch light also has it’s place in my fridge. That was the worst post i’ve read on here…:<

We have had problems with some of them here even in our gated community. They may be the ‘wrong kind of white-people,” but we ought not to exclude them toally as “red-necked step children.” Noblesse oblige, and it has always been my belief that is the job of affluent white people to uplift our culturally-deprived citizens. For example, Miles’ new “gay friend” the cable company boy (he told us he’s “str8,” whatever that is) has at least aspired to drinking Stella Artois, even if it is “Belgian Bud.” Miles sent him off with a Mouton Cadet and a pat on the ass, he told me.) And despite the Fruit of the Loom men’s underwear I found in the Porsche, Miles says he WAS wearing Tommy Bahama shorts OVER them. Like the kid at least realized he needed to look upscale if he was going to get ahead. (Miles is a drunk but good-hearted. He enrolled “Kyle” in a winetasting class at Brewers in return for a “Get Her Done” tee shirt or something.

What’s your take on Spotteswoode Sauvignon Blanc? Miles enrolled his new “redneck gay friend” (he told us he’s “str8” whatever that is) the cable company installer in a wine course at Brewers, and they both liked it.

Well, of course, if you don’t believe it to be hereditary, then that settles it! Nevermind the science, Bourbon Cowboy here doesn’t THINK it’s hereditary, and what he believes totally outweighs reality.

For wacky hilarity, order a “cab” at an Olive Garden or some other chain restaurant. We got stuck eating at an Olive Garden last month, and my husband gamely ordered a “cab” and got a glass of something pink. The waiter said, “Well, it’s KIND of red…”

Diners are totally hip now. It’s cool to go “slumming” at a diner, because diners are so retro. People decorate their own kitchens to look like diners, and they refurbish those old timey railroad car diners and serve modified diner food (lobster thermador au crevettes with a fried egg on top and spam). There are shows about it on Food Network, and I think on Fine Living Network, too.

My great uncle let all his children drink wine at every dinner. 2 out of the 3 became alcoholics and one has problems with booze. One of the alcoholics killed himself. Don’t do it.
I live in England btw.

I’m afraid I haven’t tried it. My taste in Sauvignon Blanc runs primarily to Sancerre and Pouilly-Fume style wines, I am really not a fan of the highly “grassy” style one sees from (especially) Sonoma County and New Zealand. Once upon a time, in California, many of the better wineries blended Semillion with Sauvignon Blanc (as in white Bordeaux) to produce a wine with less of the pronounced Sauvignon Blanc aroma of freshly cut grass. Those wines fell out of favor in the late ’60s and early ’70s and disappeared, replaced by two different strains: the distinctively grassy Sauvignon Blancs mostly from Sonoma County (with some from Napa) and a more ‘fume’ style Sauvignon Blanc – usually labeled “Fume Blanc” mostly from Napa County — beginning with Robert Mondavi’s offering around ’68. (Dry Creek, which is Sonoma County, also makes a nice Fume Blanc — they’re the ones with sailboats on the label who partner with US Sailing, so it’s very Noroton YC. Chateau St.Jean used to make a good one, but I have not liked it in recent years.)

I don’t like wine. Never have. I am starting my kids early on Pale Ale though. It sounds sophisticated enough to be for white kid, and even the name sounds whitish. “Hey Dad, can I have a swig of your Sierra Nevada?” Sure Son, just drink the rest of this one, and get me another out of the fridge. That would be swell!”

Anything wrong with being rich? I thought that was the goal of capitalism? Poor people are poor because they’re lazy or incompetent. Am I right or am I right? Tweak.

BTW, thanks for pointing out this is only about certain whites. No one would have gotten that if you hadn’t sussed it out for us, even though every tenth comment says it, and the posts make it explicit it’s about the ‘right kind’ of white people. Dumbass.

Actually, it is hereditary. It doesn’t mean you’ll automatically become an alcoholic. It means you’ll have to be more careful because you will have that greater tendency. An easy way to tell is if you’ve had a high tolerance for alcohol from the get go. If you were the one who could drink everyone else under the table, you’re at greater risk.

Interesting article about alcoholism in a certain group of people we love talking about in Hollywood.

I was raised in a family where alcohol was accepted and my parents started letting me have sips of their wine in high school. That said, now that I’m in college, I think I binge drink much less than many of my frat bros. Although the occasional wastage is fun.

why did he take the #’s off the comments ? That made it easier to comment back and forth to each other, that’s the most entertaining part for it for me anyway- maybe he thought we were engaging in too much discussion w/each other and veering dangerously off-topic. Oh and he also yanked our pic icons as well? However, you can still click on people’s screen names and see our not-as-hip blogs. Bookmark them, because he might take that away too!
(mad at Chris! Uses D&D magic dragon card!)

Those racist pieces of trash, ignorance knows no end. I’m going to try to open them to our views; I suggest that you guys do the same. Together we can point out their hypocrisy and hopefully get some of them to start thinking like sane-modern people (instead of racist knuckle-dragging neo-Nazis). Bring down Storm Front!

Nice try. Stormfront folks are the LEAST ignorant White people around!!! Who are you kidding? They know about history, Europe, and what it actually means to be White, Western, European, etc. White people from all of the world, and different countries contribute to that site. Its international boards offer consise history lessons and updates on Europe, Canada, Australia, their politics and current events etc.

Want to see what’s really happening in Russia? Learn how the Batlic states are coming along today? See what’s happening in California or Florida? See what anti-White racists are doing while they’re unemployed? Go there.

Knuckle-draggers? That’s a term for negroes!

I could make tons of jokes about the physical appearances of liberals, and skewer all their false ideology that reality always refutes better than anything, but I won’t. Liberals are often very intolerant themselves, but rarely see it. They are also amongst the most angry people around. Lighten up and maybe you could learn something! Cheers!

You sure sure can tell that Stormfront is waking whites up. The braindead, like imec here, go into conniption fits about it! Funny thing — they always spew out the ignorance tripe when what they really mean is they really hate whitey since daddy once failed to buy them that barbie doll or pony when they were a little girl. Or that they wish they were born white to begin with.

You had better start drinking Jew. Your time is running out in America with all your continued war-mongering and race-baiting. You would fit in Hollywood, considering all the Jews out there. But, alas, we’ll soon be frog-marching you to Mehico!

“Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”

“The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”

“Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”

“What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”

“How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”

“And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?”

“But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”

Hmmm. I feel I understand myself (and my tastes) so much more than I did before.

This is deep stuff.

However, I find myself unable to worry about these things anymore, at least not to the point I need to resort to ungainly break the tension humor.

The net result here is that in a few years your cheap wit will no longer matter for two reasons: people will be laughing at other things then and this kind of humor looks silly on a grown up.

All my friends who *were* committed to this sort of, everything-anyone-might-enjoy-is-not-worth-enjoying too cool for school attitude, now that they do not go to bars and play the funny man any more, feel like they must stay true to the ideals of their bullshit humor. So they don’t enjoy anything anymore. And their fat and old on top of it. Yup. Tragic. But, they are just too smart to enjoy things like dinner parties and hikes in the woods. In fact they feel duty bound to be enthusiastic about nothing at all.

Read Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Lautremont, Batille, etc. Your attitude is not new or interesting. We’ve been doing this for awhile here in Euro American culture, fuckin’ yawn… the attitude that one is too cool for life can either be serious or flippant, but it is the same unexamined crap either way…

Look at me using the word ‘enthusiasm.’ Well I’m about to go enjoy me a dinner party with good friends, I took a hike today and turned the soil in my garden. It gave me joy. Mock away….

I would like to emphatically clarify that my reasons for wanting to read Muffie’s blog are entirely different than Cargill’s reasons. I love Jews, even on the TV. I also love homos, especially in my bed but not so much on TV.

Nah, rest assured you’re a level five white if that makes you feel better. It’s just that it gets a little annoying to see what’s basically a light hearted website turned into a heavy racial discourse. With the same argument over and over and over. But I guess anything invoking race can’t stay light hearted for long.

Somewhere someone posted a comment about white people binge drinking. My husband who went to high school and college w whie people always said he would leave their company around 10 or so because once they began binge drinking it was not fun to be around them.

I have had the same observation with female colleagues – single and married. Once they move beyond being wine drinkers to wine bingers it is nothing nice. I have never seen the same behavior in black friends.

My husband, who is Persian and European (aka “not white”), and I debate this all the time. Of course, me being the whitest whitey mcwhiteyson argue in favor of letting our kids taste wine at dinner. Heck, it worked for my parents. They let us taste and even have whole glasses. I have never done the binge drinking thing. Heck, I never even got drunk until I was 26 and only have been drunk a few times since. Moderation was the key!

OH go lay down somewhere,
I’m very white and not boring at all, My music, is fun, jazzy, bluesy, all kinds, my wines are rich, and bold, my beer is dark and irsh, my clothes, are fun, and colorful.
my life is exciting, and rich; rich with laughter, and smiles, and family,friends.
Maybe your life is boring. Sorry about that.

I am one such white girl that learned the “right” way to drink, and grew an appreciation for wine. I began tasting wine with my parents when I was in early high school, and throughout college it became a hobby of mine. I am now in the wine business at 24 years old and have travelled internationally and domestically. I hold wine tasting as a responsible adolescent in high regard!

Food (or liquid) for thought–I’ve been told that in Germany, the drinking age is 16, but the driving age is 18 (or 19, can’t remember which). Seems sensible, learn how to hold your liquor before you learn how to drive!

The problem is, white liberals in the U.S. aspire to be more like Europeans, aka letting kids drink wine at home. Trouble is, the culture OUTSIDE your home does not match that of the supreme european culture people try to propogate within their home–it’s full of frat parties, kegs, binge drinking and rehab clinics at age 20. BTW, my husband’s parents let him drink wine at dinner, and he has had serious substance abuse issues.

by the way i would be overjoyed to force feed you matzah balls so you choke to death and then steal your wallet and then invest your money wisely.

I think you are just jealous of jews. You are jealous becuase no matter how hard people try to eliminate us from the face of the earth we keep coming back.

It also bothers you that 20million jews worldwide amongst approx 3 billion in the world is deemed so threatening.

It bothers you that we work hard and contribute to society.

You act all righteous like the conflict bewteen jews and arabs is all the jews fault…I’m not getting into political diatribe here…but I can say thatthe holocaust was cauused by big white assholes like you.

It seems many people didn’t appreciate the truthfulness of this article. I was sitting at the bar in an Applebee’s (I’m not white so it’s okay), and there was this white family sitting across the bar from me, 3 little girls and their parents. Their parents were enjoying their wine. The other customers sitting next to me (who were also not white) were so disturbed by the sight of this, especially since other adults were also waiting for seats at the bar, that we all started talking amongst ourselves as to how bizarre it was that these parents thought it perfectly fine to have their little 5-10 year old girls sitting at the bar amongst all those boozing adults…Now I know why.

Yeah, I’ll bet. When I hear elitist snobs pretending to know something, just to pretend they are elitist snobs, then I have a hearty chuckle. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard your type confuse a Burgundy from some cheap table red. Good thing we have nimrods around, like you, so we can jack-up the price on the season’s worst trash.

Huh – this half-Arab white woman has been trying so hard all her life not to be so white, and I find this blog and feel totally busted. What happens is, I like something early (Brooklyn – I *left* Brooklyn 15 years ago, with sadness too) and then everybody else catches up.

Now about wanting a vineyard. Maybe it’s just the half-Arab part of me, but I don’t want a vineyard – too boring to look at, even if it’s organic with all the interplanted favas and mustard greens (betcha didn’t know about interplanting did you? Catch up!). What I want is an olive grove. Or an olive grove interplanted with favas and other dry-climate, preferably native plants that attract beneficial pests. (if you really care about organic food, you know about this)

I was in L.A. a couple of months ago, noticing how uncool my clothes, shoes, handbag and cel phone are (but I don’t care, it’s a conscious thing not to be in style). Then I realized that every time I said anything about ecological or sustainable practices, all the hipsters got very quiet and listened, anxious worry lines furrowing their brows. I walked into a store and saw a large glass drinks dispenser from Paris. Oh yes, i said, there’s a sustainable caterer in Berkeley who uses those for tap water at parties. You know that Berkeley’s tap water is the best in the country, I added.
This comment made the shop clerks and my L.A. actress friend very concerned. THey questioned me about sustainable caterers. I could see the gears clicking: must hire sustainable caterer for next function…

Anyway. Just proving how fashion forward I am on the things that matter. (I’ve been requesting tap water instead of bottled for twenty years; I used to order “Croton Reservoir” in New York bars, and any bartender who got it scored points).

I’m not sure about this ‘supreme european culture’. My wife is Greek and when we spend time there it seems people can handle drinking at a taverna or wherever letting the kids try wine and there is no trouble or public drunkenness. The same is true in Italy or France. However, north europeans are a whole other ballgame. Drinking competitions, pub crawls, fighting etc etc are an everyday reality if you come to England (or Ireland, Scandinavia etc). For some reason American media portrays extreme substance misuse as somehow cool and makes a celebrity of Ozzy Osborne, Keith Richards or whoever is coming next. Is it surprising that young white kids think this is more exciting than sitting in a restaurant with three generations of their own family?

The white people I know from South Africa allow their children to drink wine along with their dinner. But I agree with THAT GIRL… there is a fine line. I think the parents need to draw the line for the children.

The bottom line is kids shouldn’t drink at any age. There have been cases that kids have sued there parents now because of the same kind of thinking of the people on this site. alcohol is for adults. There is a reason for age limits and you need to check what they are.

If a problem arises in the future at least you can say I had nothing to do with it! Last year a mother in I believe California gave a bunch of kids jello shots at a birthday party. A parent came after to pick up her kid and notice the sq/cubes. She decided to have one she found out that they contained liqueur. She sued the mother for over a million and won. food for thought!

It is only for comedic effect that the author of this blog would have said elementary school children should learn about wine etc. But I do think that it is important to have children from the age of 12-16 learn how to drink responsibly before they reach the age majority. By drinking responsibly I do not mean they should be allowed to get drunk but instead that they should learn to appreciate drinks for flavor.
Essentially if people can appreciate alcoholic beverages for properties other than getting drunk they might be less inclined to unhealthy or dangerous drinking practices.

why offer, what king of a parent are you. Do you want those kids to die as because of alcohol. just get it out of your house the disadvantes of alcohol beats the advantages. i was an alcoholic i wiSH i never had alcohol because once you are addicted thats it , you start living on it.

please educate your kids about the dangeres of this liqued, they are very young too. you should be a parent not a friend to your kids if you really love them