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That is though mainly because they have not bothered to actually bring it up to date. They want everyone to get Windows 10 and use Edge.On the other hand a lot of the things in IE have been clunky for some time, so most people I know use Firefox, Water-fox or Chrome most of the time.

Well I have had systems with overheating issues, its probably the hardware more than anything else.

If your system can run windows 10 or 8 even then it can run almost anything technically at least older amd a and intel up to 6th gen will.

One thing that does actually concern me greatly is the adoption of usbc ports, a lot of manufacturers are going the way apple is.

There are a few reasons why your fast usb3.1c port would become a berdain rather than a advantage.

Firstly just like blueray disks your usb c drive, etc is going to cost you more.

And right now, a lot of usb a stuff exists, in fact more than usbc.

If that were not bad enough unless you get an older system, or a system with enough of them, you will have issues.

I was fortunate to get this risen5, its got a imbedded graphics and not a graphics card which means its not a 2000 dollar box.

On the other hand, no charging, and no usb c.

Just usb 3.1a.

I also have a mbeat 7port usb2-3 a combo which is mostly usb3 but still is flexable.

Yes it is possible to make your usb c port or ports usb compatible, but if you have more than 1 usb c port say 2 usb c ports, and say 1 usb 3 port, then you will need 3 usb hubs, firstly a usb hub for the usb a port, a usb c hub for the other port and a standard one for the other port.

This system at least still has a single usb 2 port which the hub plugs into and usb 3.1a ports 2 of those which handle the usb 3.0 a class drives and they run fast enough faster than the usb 3.0 first generation ports I had before.

Now taking desktops into prospective, I see almost no usb c devices ports on there and I have to assume that well usb a is what everyone uses still.

While there are advantages in the port I do feel we are pushing to quickly.

Unless you get an older system or the right configuration for your system, you may either find yourself with ports that can't fit your stuff or have to spend more cash than you expected on something better.

My other choice was to buy a hulking beast which had every port, internal dvds, etc but fortunately the 1300 dollar workstation I have has all the ports i have and is just a little heavier than an ultrabook.

With the external dvd, its actually a good buy.

Now, that also means that if I get another system I can take dvd out of my pricerange, but once bluerays drop down enough I may go that way who knows.

With all the ongoing upgrades in the house, this newer unit is a pleasure to take about, and its super quiet to.

how about windows 7?i just requested one computer service to install windows 7 for me,when i used it, i experienced heating my system and even wordpad wasunusable for me.using firefox was more difficult than xp for me and caused moreheating my system and more slowness and silence in nvda!the windows 7 was 32bit pro, but now, someone told me that if i usewindows 7 home premium, i dont experience such issues and this versionof windows can make me satisfied.

On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you are using 32 bit Windows, you have plenty of RAM. Especially if youare using XP, that is much more than is needed by most people..

hi gene and all again.whats the best memory for my system?i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audiofiles with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut orconverting video files in to audio.i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, butusing it is difficult specially for me who want to read and editIslamic books with it.but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most timesis slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websitesand other sites that require javascript.even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when iuse arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name ofwebsite without anything else!i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and2.5 gb of ram.this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which iuse forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need topreserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentionedin firefox.also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in usingfirefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!what should i do in this case?On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bitwindows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a differentmatter.Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'msaying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority ofcases.

Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't runwellon 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time itbehavesok, but at times when I have things going on in the background whiledoingother things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, thoughit'snot recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happywithless than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.

On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bitWindows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agreewith your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAMandit ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runswell.

Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open atonce),leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaningeveryday or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has somememory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. Forsomevalues of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GBbarelyqualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizesmemory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it willnotbe happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, andthatwill slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so muchfaster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often,andthat makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with2GBof ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to amotorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle isconsiderablyfaster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GBofram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't meantheos will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.

umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give youmore ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing foryour

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any versionof

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ramin the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you haveisn't maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, andyou

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine. However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote: > Hello again: > I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue. > Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with thatI > don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome > appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, althoughfirefox > and internet explorer are almost unusable. > I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard. > Regards. > Ibrahim. > > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: >> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines, >> certainly. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> >> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf OfIbrahimAjayi >> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07 >> To: nvda@groups.io >> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> Hello: >> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader. >> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing theinternet. >> When I am doing some other work like word processing or readingdocuments >> off line, it is not slow. >> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't havethis slow >> >> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS. >> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launchaweb >> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internetexplorer >> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and whenIpress >> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, whenIam on a >> >> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, anddisables the >> >> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart itall over >> >> again. >> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screenreader? >> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop. >> I have the latest update of the screen reader. >> Hope to read a helpful response. >> I am Ibrahim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

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You mean as to get into the settings of nvda where you can make changes use the nvda key + letter N then arrow down to preferences then right to settings then press the enter key to go into that section.

Or quickly do the following nvda key + letter N then the letter P then press the enter key. Then it is a matter of going through the sections there.

there are other short cut keys to get to other parts of the settings menu

for example nvda key + ctrl key + letter V will take you into the voice settings.

Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.
I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some
more of the keyboard commands.
So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw,
we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get to
the preferences?
Cheers,
Jed

I don't know anything about your computer and
whether it meets the Microsoft specifications for Windows 7. there is a
lot more involved than RAM in determining whether a computer can run Windows
7. I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the question but maybe
others will. 2.5GB is enough for 32 bit Windows 7. I would think it
wouldn't matter whether you are using Home or Pro. It's mostly the same
but pro has more features.

how about windows 7?i just
requested one computer service to install windows 7 for me,when i used it, i
experienced heating my system and even wordpad wasunusable for me.using
firefox was more difficult than xp for me and caused moreheating my system
and more slowness and silence in nvda!the windows 7 was 32bit pro, but now,
someone told me that if i usewindows 7 home premium, i dont experience such
issues and this versionof windows can make me satisfied.

On 2/8/19,
Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote:> If you are using 32 bit Windows, you have plenty of RAM.
Especially if you> are using XP, that is much more than is needed by most
people..>> Gene> ----- Original Message
----->> From: zahra> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:04
PM> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Problems With NVDA>>> hi gene and all again.>
whats the best memory for my system?> i turn on my laptop in the morning
and use it till the midnight.> then i turn it off until
tomorrow.>> i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus,
playing audio> files with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3
direct cut or> converting video files in to audio.> i also had
libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, but> using it is
difficult specially for me who want to read and edit> Islamic books with
it.> but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most
times> is slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora
websites> and other sites that require javascript.> even nvda is
silent and does not work and does not say anything when i> use arrow
keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name of> website
without anything else!> i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system
has 2core cpu and> 2.5 gb of ram.> this is the reason that i
sometimes the best version of nvda which i> use forever is 2017.1 and
sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!> because 2017.2 has one important
bug fix which i really need to> preserve my numeroussettings, but it has
the issue which i mentioned> in firefox.> also, 2017.1 is very
better than other version for me in using> firefox, i believe at least
since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!> what should i do in this
case?> On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:>> But
again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit>>
windows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as
well,>> should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a
different>> matter.>> Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit
Windows.>>>> I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little
RAM as 32 bit XP. I'm>> saying that it should run well with 2gb
of ram in most or the majority of>> cases.>>>>
Gene>> ----- Original Message ----->>>> From:
Travis Siegel>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM>>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA>>>>>> Xp
would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't
run>> well>> on 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1
machine, and most of the time it>> behaves>> ok, but at
times when I have things going on in the background while>>
doing>> other things, even that bogs down.>>>> XP
can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though>>
it's>> not recommended. My personal experience is that windows
is not happy>> with>> less than 4GB once you get out of the
XP stage.>>>>>> On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene
wrote:>>>> Are you basing these comments on
personal experience of running 32bit>> Windows with 2GB? That is
1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agree>> with your
assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM>>
and>> it ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of
RAM. It runs>>
well.>>>>>> From: Travis
Siegel>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50
PM>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With
NVDA>>>>>> Sure it is, if you don't
multitask, (have multiple programs open at>> once),>> leave
programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning>>
every>> day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office
which has some>> memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer
they're left open. For>> some>> values of normal
usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB>>
barely>> qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself.
Tablets are different,>> since they have a (slightly) different
version of windows that optimizes>> memory usage, but normal windows,
under normal usage patterns, it will>> not>> be happy with
only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and>>
that>> will slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to
appear so much>> faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every
single case I've seen,>> and it's because memory swapping doesn't have
to occur nearly as often,>> and>> that makes the system much
faster overall. Sure, you can get along with>> 2GB>>
of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to
a>> motorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle
is>> considerably>> faster, and can do things the bicycle
can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB>> of>> ram on
windows.>>>> Don't fool yourself, there's a
reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,>> it's just that, the minimum
required to run the os. That doesn't mean>> the>> os
will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will
run.>>>>>> On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene
wrote:>>>> That is not true.
2GB is fine for 32bit versions of
Windows.>>>>
Gene>> ----- Original Message
----->>>> From: Travis
Siegel>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019
10:27 PM>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With
NVDA>>>>>> umm, you're
confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you>>
more>> ram, that will only provide more
external storage. swapping SD cards>>
allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for>>
your>>>> RAM, which is where
programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any version>>
of>>>> windows, except if you're
using a tablet, there's not much you can do>>
about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram>>
in>> the computer, providing you have empty
slots or the ram you have>> isn't>>
maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram,
and>> you>>>> need to know
what that limit is before trying to upgrade the
machine.>> However, though I don't know for
sure, it sounds to me like you're>> talking
about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't
upgradable.>>>> On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM,
Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:>> > Hello
again:>> > I thank all those who found time
to respond to my issue.>> > Brian, My GBRam
is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that>>
I>> > don't have this problem with
JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome>>
> appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although>>
firefox>> > and internet explorer are
almost unusable.>> > I am thinking of
increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.>> >
Regards.>> >
Ibrahim.>>
>>> > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list
account via Groups.Io>> > <bglists@...>
wrote:>> >> Well I'd not go that far but
it is faster on lower spec machines,>>
>> certainly.>> >>
Brian>>
>>>> >> bglists@...>>
>> Sent via blueyonder.>> >>
Please address personal E-mail to:->> >>
briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'>> >> in the display name
field.>> >> ----- Original Message
----->> >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>>>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36
AM>> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems
With NVDA>>
>>>>
>>>> >> Use Chrome, it is better
than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.>>
>>>> >> All the
best>>
>>>> >>
Steve>>
>>>> >> -----Original
Message----->> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf
Of>> Ibrahim>> Ajayi>>
>> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07>>
>> To: nvda@groups.io>>
>> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA>>
>>>> >>
Hello:>> >> I am having problems with my
NVDA screen reader.>> >> The screen
reader is just too slow when I am browsing the>>
internet.>> >> When I am doing some
other work like word processing or reading>>
documents>> >> off line, it is not
slow.>> >> This problem has nothing to
do with the websites, as I don't have>> this
slow>>
>>>> >> problems online with
JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.>>
>> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I
launch>> a>> web>>
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet>>
explorer>> >> unknown" or "firefox
unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when>> I>>
press>> >> the arrow down key, that is
what I keep hearing. Some times, when>> I>> am on
a>>
>>>> >> site, or trying to open a
site, the screen reader crashes, and>> disables
the>>
>>>> >> computer itself. I
just have to shut it down, and then restart it>> all
over>>
>>>> >>
again.>> >> Does anyone understand the
problem I am having with my NVDA screen>>
reader?>> >> I use windows7 32 bit on a
laptop.>> >> I have the latest update of
the screen reader.>> >> Hope to read a
helpful response.>> >> I am
Ibrahim.>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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they contain> in order that> I may disobey God> by
depriving an ant> from the husk of a grain of barley,> I would not
do it.> imam ali>>>>
>>

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how about windows 7?i just requested one computer service to install windows 7 for me,when i used it, i experienced heating my system and even wordpad wasunusable for me.using firefox was more difficult than xp for me and caused moreheating my system and more slowness and silence in nvda!the windows 7 was 32bit pro, but now, someone told me that if i usewindows 7 home premium, i dont experience such issues and this versionof windows can make me satisfied.

hi gene and all again.whats the best memory for my system?i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audiofiles with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut orconverting video files in to audio.i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, butusing it is difficult specially for me who want to read and editIslamic books with it.but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most timesis slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websitesand other sites that require javascript.even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when iuse arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name ofwebsite without anything else!i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and2.5 gb of ram.this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which iuse forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need topreserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentionedin firefox.also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in usingfirefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!what should i do in this case?On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bitwindows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a differentmatter.Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'msaying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority ofcases.

Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't runwellon 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time itbehavesok, but at times when I have things going on in the background whiledoingother things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, thoughit'snot recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happywithless than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.

On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bitWindows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agreewith your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAMandit ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runswell.

Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open atonce),leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaningeveryday or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has somememory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. Forsomevalues of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GBbarelyqualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizesmemory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it willnotbe happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, andthatwill slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so muchfaster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often,andthat makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with2GBof ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to amotorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle isconsiderablyfaster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GBofram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't meantheos will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.

umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give youmore ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing foryour

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any versionof

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ramin the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you haveisn't maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, andyou

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine. However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote: > Hello again: > I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue. > Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with thatI > don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome > appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, althoughfirefox > and internet explorer are almost unusable. > I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard. > Regards. > Ibrahim. > > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: >> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines, >> certainly. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> >> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf OfIbrahimAjayi >> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07 >> To: nvda@groups.io >> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> Hello: >> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader. >> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing theinternet. >> When I am doing some other work like word processing or readingdocuments >> off line, it is not slow. >> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't havethis slow >> >> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS. >> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launchaweb >> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internetexplorer >> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and whenIpress >> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, whenIam on a >> >> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, anddisables the >> >> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart itall over >> >> again. >> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screenreader? >> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop. >> I have the latest update of the screen reader. >> Hope to read a helpful response. >> I am Ibrahim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

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Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with
extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even
nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it
that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than
nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most
respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not
some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or
dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like
microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time
with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of
development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out
there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to
experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it
crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be
something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a
really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason
or extra licence to access another windows addition without any
new features.

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about
in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not
much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to
speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice
rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called
Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader
should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people
for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best
of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind
tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in
the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a
settings app.

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had
Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall
if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator
around for a very long time. Prior to Windows 10 it
really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously
starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring
after that (and still ongoing). Even Narrator in Windows
10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as
Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that
have the same name, under different versions of Windows,
being senseless. Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809
Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is
kumquats and oranges.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build
17763

A great deal
of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when
the need for illusion is deep.

Hey guys,Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with somemore of the keyboard commands.So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw,we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get tothe preferences?Cheers,Jed

hi gene and all again.whats the best memory for my
system?i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the
midnight.then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for,
browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audiofiles with mpchc and sometimes
editing files with mp3 direct cut orconverting video files in to audio.i
also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, butusing it is
difficult specially for me who want to read and editIslamic books with
it.but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most
timesis slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora
websitesand other sites that require javascript.even nvda is silent and
does not work and does not say anything when iuse arrow keys, brows mode
does not work and i only hear the name ofwebsite without anything else!i
heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and2.5 gb of
ram.this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which
iuse forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!because
2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need topreserve my
numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentionedin firefox.also,
2017.1 is very better than other version for me in usingfirefox, i believe
at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!what should i do in this
case?On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:> But
again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit>
windows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as
well,> should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a
different matter.> Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit
Windows.>> I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as
32 bit XP. I'm> saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in
most or the majority of> cases.>> Gene> -----
Original Message ----->> From: Travis Siegel> Sent: Friday,
February 08, 2019 2:14 PM> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Problems With NVDA>>> Xp would run on 1gb, but it
didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't run well> on 2gb. I
have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it behaves> ok,
but at times when I have things going on in the background while doing>
other things, even that bogs down.>> XP can certainly run on
512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though it's> not
recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happy
with> less than 4GB once you get out of the XP
stage.>>> On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene
wrote:>> Are you basing these comments on personal
experience of running 32bit> Windows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the
Microsoft minimum. I don't agree> with your assessment. I had
a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM and> it ran well. I
have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runs>
well.>>> From: Travis
Siegel> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50
PM> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA>>> Sure
it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at once),>
leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning
every> day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which
has some> memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left
open. For some> values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for
the rest of us, 2GB barely> qualifies as enough to run windows os by
itself. Tablets are different,> since they have a (slightly)
different version of windows that optimizes> memory usage, but normal
windows, under normal usage patterns, it will not> be happy with only 2GB
of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and that> will slow things
down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so much> faster
when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,> and
it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often, and>
that makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with
2GB> of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to
a> motorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is
considerably> faster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same
thing with 2 vs. 4 GB of> ram on windows.>>
Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,>
it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't mean
the> os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will
run.>>> On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene
wrote:>> That is not true. 2GB is
fine for 32bit versions of Windows.>>
Gene> ----- Original Message
----->> From: Travis
Siegel> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27
PM> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With
NVDA>>> umm, you're confusing ram
and storage. An SD card won't give you
more> ram, that will only provide more external
storage. swapping SD cards> allows you to
copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for
your>> RAM, which is where programs
run. 2GB is poretty low for any version
of>> windows, except if you're using a
tablet, there's not much you can do> about it. If
you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram
in> the computer, providing you have empty slots
or the ram you have isn't> maxed out. Most
machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and
you>> need to know what that limit is
before trying to upgrade the machine.> However,
though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like
you're> talking about a tablet, in which case,
the ram isn't upgradable.>> On 2/7/2019
7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:> > Hello
again:> > I thank all those who found time to
respond to my issue.> > Brian, My GBRam is a
low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that
I> > don't have this problem with JAWS.
But as I said yesterday, chrome> > appears to
be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although>
firefox> > and internet explorer are almost
unusable.> > I am thinking of increasing my GB
ram with an SDCard.> >
Regards.> >
Ibrahim.> >>
> On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io> > <bglists@...>
wrote:> >> Well I'd not go that far but it
is faster on lower spec machines,> >>
certainly.> >>
Brian> >>>
>> bglists@...>
>> Sent via blueyonder.> >> Please
address personal E-mail to:-> >> briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'> >> in the display name
field.> >> ----- Original Message
-----> >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36
AM> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With
NVDA> >>>
>>> >> Use Chrome, it is better than
either Firefox or Internet Explorer.>
>>> >> All the
best> >>>
>> Steve>
>>> >> -----Original
Message-----> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ibrahim> Ajayi> >> Sent: 07 February
2019 00:07> >> To: nvda@groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA>
>>> >>
Hello:> >> I am having problems with my
NVDA screen reader.> >> The screen reader
is just too slow when I am browsing the
internet.> >> When I am doing some other
work like word processing or reading>
documents> >> off line, it is not
slow.> >> This problem has nothing to do
with the websites, as I don't have> this
slow> >>>
>> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of
JAWS.> >> Secondly, when I visit a website,
or even some times when I launch a> web>
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
explorer> >> unknown" or "firefox unknown"
and the screen goes quiet, and when I>
press> >> the arrow down key, that is what
I keep hearing. Some times, when I> am on
a> >>>
>> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and>
disables the>
>>> >> computer itself. I just
have to shut it down, and then restart it> all
over> >>>
>> again.> >> Does anyone understand
the problem I am having with my NVDA screen>
reader?> >> I use windows7 32 bit on a
laptop.> >> I have the latest update of the
screen reader.> >> Hope to read a helpful
response.> >> I am
Ibrahim.>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>
>>>>>>>
Virus-free. www.avast.com>>>
>>

-- By God,were I given all the seven
heavenswith all they containin order thatI may disobey Godby
depriving an antfrom the husk of a grain of barley,I would not do
it.imam ali

When I first got Windows 10 on this newer 64 bit system, when I
used Cortana, it launched Internet Explorer--not Edge.

On 2/8/2019 8:21 PM, marcio via
Groups.Io wrote:

As
far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge,
what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE.
However, IE is still there, for a reason that heavens only knows.
Maybe if they remove it they'll break something on Windows? I
don't know, but well...

Clarissa, you may not need to use the current implementation of Edge much anyway as Microsoft will be adapting their web browser shortly to something different, with more Chromium based features.

As for using IE, I won't get rid of it as I do find the occasional site that works best on it, even now. Waterfox, Firefox, then Chrome, have become my main browsers in that order. Usually one of those gets done what I want except for that 2% of the time when IE still works best.

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IEfor because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way toaccess those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm stillworking on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don'tunderstand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdatedand, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,there's really not that much difference in using one of the otherbrowsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use alot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; Ihaven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefoxwork great with NVDA.

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

Pretty much everything, prior to Windows 10 (maybe 8, but I ignore
8 by and large) that's now in Settings was in Control Panel. I
would be shocked if it weren't in Ease of Access (I think they
called it that, otherwise check Accessibility). My memory of
Control Panel from 2 Windows OS generations ago is far from
perfect.

--

Brian -Windows 10
Home, 64-Bit, Version
1809, Build 17763

A great
deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in
my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much
more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech
voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than
windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader
should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people
for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of
my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had
Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if
it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around
for a very long time. Prior to Windows 10 it really was a
joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously
starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring
after that (and still ongoing). Even Narrator in Windows 10
prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now
(with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that
have the same name, under different versions of Windows,
being senseless. Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809
Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is
kumquats and oranges.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build
17763

A great deal of
intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

What do you mean by the management is almost
nonexistent? You can move bookmarks around in Firefox. I assume you
can in Chrome as well. Instead of assuming something isn't available or
doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.
You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.

Move to a bookmark in Firefox. Open the
context menu. Down arrow to cut. Press enter.

Then move to where you want the bookmark to
be. Open the context menu and find paste. Press enter.

The bookmark has been moved.

However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks
in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature. If you
are interested, I'll describe it.

You may not find ways
that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet
Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is
the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with
this or that site.

I
hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.There
were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one
thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome,
which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my
main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that
browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a
snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the
same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but
as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19,
Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:>
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the
UK:>>
Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security > chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet->
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/> )>> If that
doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now > expired,
nothing will.> -->> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit,
Version 1809, Build 17763>> *A great deal of intelligence can be
invested in ignorance when the > need for illusion is
deep.*>>
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back>>
>>

hi gene and all again.whats the best memory for my system?i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audiofiles with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut orconverting video files in to audio.i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, butusing it is difficult specially for me who want to read and editIslamic books with it.but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most timesis slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websitesand other sites that require javascript.even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when iuse arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name ofwebsite without anything else!i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and2.5 gb of ram.this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which iuse forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need topreserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentionedin firefox.also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in usingfirefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!what should i do in this case?

But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bitwindows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a different matter.Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'msaying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority ofcases.

Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't run wellon 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it behavesok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while doingother things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though it'snot recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happy withless than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.

On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bitWindows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agreewith your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM andit ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runswell.

Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at once),leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning everyday or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has somememory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. For somevalues of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB barelyqualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizesmemory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will notbe happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and thatwill slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so muchfaster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often, andthat makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with 2GBof ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to amotorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is considerablyfaster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB ofram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't mean theos will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.

umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you more ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for your

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any version of

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have isn't maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and you

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine. However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote: > Hello again: > I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue. > Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that I > don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome > appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, althoughfirefox > and internet explorer are almost unusable. > I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard. > Regards. > Ibrahim. > > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: >> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines, >> certainly. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> >> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of IbrahimAjayi >> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07 >> To: nvda@groups.io >> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA >> >> Hello: >> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader. >> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet. >> When I am doing some other work like word processing or readingdocuments >> off line, it is not slow. >> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't havethis slow >> >> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS. >> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch aweb >> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer >> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when Ipress >> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when Iam on a >> >> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, anddisables the >> >> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart itall over >> >> again. >> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screenreader? >> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop. >> I have the latest update of the screen reader. >> Hope to read a helpful response. >> I am Ibrahim. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Virus-free. www.avast.com

-- By God,were I given all the seven heavenswith all they containin order thatI may disobey Godby depriving an antfrom the husk of a grain of barley,I would not do it.imam ali

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:>> Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security > chief ( > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/> )>> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now > expired, nothing will.> -->> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763>> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the > need for illusion is deep.*>> ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back>> >>

i ment that i hate narrator of windows xp (i mean the voice ofmicrosoft sam and its aweful quality.i did not talk about my idea about narrator of windows ten which inever heard it voice and its quality in using and reading englishdocuments.if someone can help me to record one sample text with different voicesof windows ten or eight, please email me off list.

i really hate narrator.do you remember narrator of windows xp which i use?

Which has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Narrator as implementedtoday. Just as the Windows Defender that's on XP has absolutely nothing todo with the Windows Defender, now Windows Security as of Version 1809, onWindows 10 today.

I have come to accept that, for whatever reason, you are clinging to XP likeit's God's gift to mankind. What I cannot accept is making any commentsabout any software that happens to share the same name, but nothing else,with the long unsupported Windows XP and it's components.

Talking about these as if they are even similar is senseless.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need forillusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

-- By God,were I given all the seven heavenswith all they containin order thatI may disobey Godby depriving an antfrom the husk of a grain of barley,I would not do it.imam ali

You may not find ways that work as well to use
those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.
It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser
you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.

I
hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.There
were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one
thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome,
which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my
main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that
browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a
snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the
same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but
as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19,
Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:>
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the
UK:>>
Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security > chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet->
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/> )>> If that
doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now > expired,
nothing will.> -->> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit,
Version 1809, Build 17763>> *A great deal of intelligence can be
invested in ignorance when the > need for illusion is
deep.*>>
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back>>
>>

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