its got that Live 06/07 arena vibe, which was the best thing about those games. Just really great arenas. Crowd was dead, some completely stationarySome uniform glitches, only noticeable when paused/slo-moDAT BALL TEXTURE Animates beautifully, for the on-ball player. Everyone else seemed to have some jerkiness which is a Live staple, hell, an EA Sports staple.The minute detail in the animations, hands, faces, ermergerd.I hate painted on wrinkles in the uniform textureShoe scuffs in the paint lane (which game used to have that, 2K right?)Gorgeous light reflections in the floorCrowd is waaay too orderly and neat in their seats, no one in aisles.

After watching it a few times, I have come to my conclusion. This looks amazing. I'm not being a fanboy or anything because I admit that there are things that could be better. One thing is the jerseys. They look a little weird when there are a lot of wrinkles. The graphics look good, and the dribbling looks good also. Would have been nice to see how the play ended to judge player collisions. We haven't seen a play end in all the trailers. Makes me a little nervous that there could be an issue. The arena looks good and the court has nice colour. The fans and the crowd look good but they could be better. What I don't understand is when I look at the YouTube comments I see people saying: oh this is horrible or this is trash. I mean come on, even if your a huge fan of 2K, give it the least bit of props. I can't wait to see 5on5 gameplay and to get my hands on it. Nice to see EA put this trailer out as a start.

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JaoSming wrote:its got that Live 06/07 arena vibe, which was the best thing about those games. Just really great arenas. Crowd was dead, some completely stationarySome uniform glitches, only noticeable when paused/slo-moDAT BALL TEXTURE Animates beautifully, for the on-ball player. Everyone else seemed to have some jerkiness which is a Live staple, hell, an EA Sports staple.The minute detail in the animations, hands, faces, ermergerd.I hate painted on wrinkles in the uniform textureShoe scuffs in the paint lane (which game used to have that, 2K right?)Gorgeous light reflections in the floorCrowd is waaay too orderly and neat in their seats, no one in aisles.

looks good.... but wasnt really impressed. Game still has some stiffness effects. graphics, detail, etc look great, but skin textures look like live 13, clayish... I dont know just yet. I still need some 5- on-5 gameplay to seal the deal for me. After this trailer, I'm still 50/50 im my decision to purchase it. Wish it was coming to PC though! Looks promising though.

this is the kind of graphics we have all been waiting for! i find 2k's has always been cartoonish, but on gameplay live doesn't compare..loved the arena/reflections, the jersey colors, those little animations and details that adds to realism of the game.

the jersey is too silky for me...

THAT ARMPIT!!!!

i could spread strawberry jam on those and lick them with no problem....

Good to finally get some in-game stuff by way of a trailer, so we can at least see some of the animations and in-game assets. Definitely some "next gen" elements in the form of finger and limb movements, as well as players gesturing, looking around and whatnot. There's room for improvement, but I like what I see there.

Hopefully, the raw five-on-five gameplay footage that will be coming soon will impress - or at the very least, be satisfactory - in terms of collisions, spacing, AI and animations in general.

The transitions between different animations is still an issue EA can't seem to get right, yet it is one of 2K's strong points and very important for EA to get down if they want to compete, imo. If they don't get it down, people will continually use the words stiff, herky-jerky, and arcady. They can do it for the dribbling animations, so they need to look at the work they put in on those and start applying some of that to all animations. Just look at the tip off at 0:24 and watch all the background players go from a stand still to movement. It's all at the exact same time and in one snap. There is no inbetween animation, they just start going. Only Amare Stoudemire and an obstructed Tyson Chandler have an animation between a standstill and a run because they have to turn 180 degrees.

Something weird about Amare's jump animation on defense right before the slow-motion.

The crowd is tranquil.

Everything else looks good or even great. I just hope the game doesn't end up being just a dribbling showcase with nothing else.

I didn't really have a problem with the animations. That has always been the price to pay for having the tight/robust controls that NBA Live has been known for.

My only real gripe is the complexion of the players, which EA Sports is known for getting totally wrong in most of their games. It's like they're afraid to make dark skinned athletes I swear. Why was Amare and Raymond Felton basically the same complexion as Kyrie Irving? Makes no sense.

Also the player models still look kinda skinny and lanky

Outside of that, this trailer got me real hyped to see what they've done.

Well I think we have to take the improvements from the E3 build and go from there. The player models have improved but are still overly muscular and the pg's/sg's still look a bit stretched out. Also like other poeple have been saying, some players complexion is much lighter than how they are in real life; make people chocolate EA.

The herky-jerkey ness of the animation transitions is something EA might never master until people constantly harp on and on about it. Its almost like they forget to add the frames so players just morph into the next movement. It doesn't seem to happen when Kyrie dribbles at the top of the key. All in all I'm pretty excited about the game, hopefully they still have time to polish the game up one last time before the launch two months from now.

I'm glad ea has stayed away from going heavy on that "in between animation stuff". While it may look better it takes away control in all aspects. That stiff look is ea giving you a clean slate from which to move and perform any move you want. Not force you to go places or pass, shoot and dribble slowly. Why I don't like 2k gameplay and what most people mean when they say its over animated.

Found a glitch on the NBA mobile site, we're getting a total of 10 trailers,one is for 5v5 game play!! Posted it on my Twitter, I'm not by a computer to upload, but the news is really coming, so let's get ready!!!

ThaLiveKing wrote:Found a glitch on the NBA mobile site we're getting a total of 10 trailers,one is for 5v5 game play!! Posted it on my Twitter, I'm not by a computer to upload, but the news is really coming, so let's get ready!!!

I noticed those extra pages in the rss feed, but it only went up to nine. Guess they added another one.

Positives about the short clip.1. Hand/ball relationship looks spry as hell.2. The dribbling looks authentic, Like you can really be shook by the moves.3. Liked the aggresive 2nd dribble Kyrie made. (could've been editing, but if it resembles that..Tight.)4. Liked the player sizes. You can really see the difference in sizes in Live games. Melo looks like he would just murder a little guy in the post, at the same time - he doesn't look too big.5.The jerseys looks nice. Kicks, pads, ect.6. The hair looks cool.7. The court looks big and active.

The negatives I gathered.1. Some animations don't look next gen. (Tip off- how the knicks players zip into a turn. Melo specifically. Reminds me of Live 06)

2. Tip off again. The way the defense had to turn their back to the offense to run back (rather than just back pace) worries me about the defense. Will they always have to turn around to move back? I see fast breaks being a nightmare to defend if so.

3. Felton doesn't look like he's ready to defend at all. He runs infront of the screen at 0:25 like he's waiting to get crossed, like he's been having nightmares about it. He does get in stance later at least, but something about that feels missing. Like the dribbling is smoother animated than the rest.

4. The socks look like styrofoam.5. 2k has a way to make their game look realistic(even if the graphics aren't technically better than EA's) their lighting, something about it makes it look more Real World. Not a knock at all at Live, I can appreciate their art style. Just that in past lives, 06,07,08,09, they had that 2k realistic lighting style.The players still have that baby oil shine in live 14.

6. On the lay-up part, before he rises you can see the animation jerk. Like a computer shift, Stat shifts into Kyrie. (without really moving. Dunno how to explain it. ) Could probably be cleaned up a bit there? Idk. May not look so blatent in-game. Won't really bother me, just it was obvious in the slow-mo. Just thought I'd mention it.7. At tip off one of the cav dudes -(don't know his name, it'll come back to me when the season kicks)- on the right has his legs broken off. Like the foot planting thing just screwed him over for life, he chopped his own leg off man. Got-damn.

Overall this reminds me of a sequel to Nba live 10. I get that feeling with the graphics and dribbling so far. Hope it comes out.

Mr LostSoul wrote:2. Tip off again. The way the defense had to turn their back to the offense to run back (rather than just back pace) worries me about the defense. Will they always have to turn around to move back? I see fast breaks being a nightmare to defend if so.

Speaking of the tip, I thought the actual jump ball and the tap itself was a little off. It's OK, nothing that would bug me too much, but still a little off.

julsnice wrote:I didn't really have a problem with the animations. That has always been the price to pay for having the tight/robust controls that NBA Live has been known for.

Agreed. While it's important that NBA Live does strive for a good balance between responsiveness and animation quality, in NBA 2K we do see the downside of an animation heavy game; while it looks great, there are moments when it doesn't feel great. I think that both companies are trying to find that perfect balance, coming from opposite ends of the scale.

On the subject, if they had armpit hair, the first complaint will be that everyone has the same armpit hair. Is this something we really want the developers focusing time on? Didn't think so.

If they do, they might as well make it a feature. You know, in rising star you could get a sponsorship by right guard sport clear gel that leaves no white sticky residue. You get a +1 to your hands and dribbling rating because your underarm doesn't rub together as much.

Good to know the general times the trailers will come out. Weird that nba.com is the one breaking the news but it lets us know that the NBA has once again chosen Live as their game to follow and advertise. Can't wait to see them all.

Also saw this posted on Live's website:

To complement the video, below is a breakdown of some of the cool elements and features you may not have noticed the first time you watched the clip.

GRAPHICS/LIVING WORLD

The development team scanned the real NBA arenas and paid attention to every last detail in bringing the arenas to life.

PLAYER MODELS AND LIKENESS

With the power of next-gen, you can see the emotion and focus of every big moment in the faces of the players.

TRUE PLAYER MOTION

NBA LIVE 14 gives you full control over all the NBA’s greatest players, allowing you to utilize the individual styles that make them NBA superstars.

HUMAN INTELLIGENCE

Players react realistically and intelligently to everything on the court. Big men fight for position in the post and perimeter players smartly space the floor to stretch the defense and open up shot opportunities.

Awesome news! not only that but if you hover over 2 and three you see September 25 is when the next trailer is out, so a new one on Wednesday and the 3rd, October 9 which is 2 weeks after #2

So judging by this and the screen shot I took, I'm wondering when they'll show the 5v5 gameplay footage, it's first on the mobile touch website, but they don't show it on the nba.com/nbalive site!! As long as each video is longer than a minute, I wouldn't worry much

Awesome news! not only that but if you hover over 2 and three you see September 25 is when the next trailer is out, so a new one on Wednesday and the 3rd, October 9 which is 2 weeks after #2

So judging by this and the screen shot I took, I'm wondering when they'll show the 5v5 gameplay footage, it's first on the mobile touch website, but they don't show it on the nba.com/nbalive site!! As long as each video is longer than a minute, I wouldn't worry much

I think what they meant is the 1st trailer was "5 on 5 gameplay" I don't think actual 5v5 gameplay is coming yet.

Awesome news! not only that but if you hover over 2 and three you see September 25 is when the next trailer is out, so a new one on Wednesday and the 3rd, October 9 which is 2 weeks after #2

So judging by this and the screen shot I took, I'm wondering when they'll show the 5v5 gameplay footage, it's first on the mobile touch website, but they don't show it on the nba.com/nbalive site!! As long as each video is longer than a minute, I wouldn't worry much

I think what they meant is the 1st trailer was "5 on 5 gameplay" I don't think actual 5v5 gameplay is coming yet.

I don't think they meant that the first trailer was 5v5 at all, because there was no 5v5, I'm guessing it's going to be at the end of the cycle of trailers or some where in between

It's worth noting that they never acknowledged or promoted those dates through the official site or any of their social media channels, which is something they tend to do at least a few days before they release anything.

I don't mind if a trailer is not ready by dates set on a site outside of ea's control or if there was misinformation somewhere in marketing plans. It's quite possible that they just delayed them for some reason.