I wonder how much money Builders / property developers donate to the Tory party?

6th Feb

One thing is for sure. We will need plenty of extra bricklayers, roofers, plumbers, electricians ... to build all those houses. Hope our immigration quotas can support the need we are creating.

6th Feb

How joyous. We just need to build more houses, especially in central London, perhaps also sell them really cheap.

6th Feb

Saturn

One thing is for sure. We will need plenty of extra bricklayers, roofers, … One thing is for sure. We will need plenty of extra bricklayers, roofers, plumbers, electricians ... to build all those houses. Hope our immigration quotas can support the need we are creating.

just a virtuous circle eh?

6th Feb

The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population but nobody is brave enough to deal with that hot topic.

Hospitals, roads, railways cannot cope now so things will only get worse if the the UK population continues to grow.

6th Feb

The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population … The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population but nobody is brave enough to deal with that hot topic.

Agree, the best thing we could do for the sake of humanity and the planet would be to stop breeding like flippin rabbits for 50 years.

Edited by: "SidSnot" 6th Feb

6th Feb

The thing is, once you do that you become a dictator and its hard to stop people from doing things, for which they have had no limit on ever!

donaldduck2

The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population … The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population but nobody is brave enough to deal with that hot topic.Hospitals, roads, railways cannot cope now so things will only get worse if the the UK population continues to grow.

The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds … The realistic long term solution will be to control the Worlds population but nobody is brave enough to deal with that hot topic.

6th Feb

This must be true.

It's in The Express.

Font of all truth and knowledge.

6th Feb

Some (very basic) things:

1) The figure assumes every migrant will have their own house. There will be no children or families. Just one scary-looking Muslim who will probably use all the spare rooms in said house to make bombs.

2) The figure ignores the fact that without migration the UK population is in decline. Less people are being born. We have an aging population. It basically assumes everyone currently alive will still be alive in 22 years time, which is brilliant news for my 99 year old great great auntie.

6th Feb

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment.

Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.

2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

6th Feb

arcangel111

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of … I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment. Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

Do the right thing, run your life in a respectable way and you get nothing.

My wife was laid off from work after working for nearly 40 years. She was entitled to £75pw JSA for 6 months and that was it. If she was a thieving smackhead she could have signed on for as long as she liked.

Edited by: "deeky" 6th Feb

6th Feb

They should be building these in the countries where these people are coming from and getting themselves out of the stone age and into the 21 century. Why are we such a soft target?

6th Feb

We need to build a lot more Council houses that are not sold off instead retaining them so the Council can provide housing at controlled rents. Every new supermarket, petrol station could have another level added to be used as social housing with the Council owning and controlling it.

6th Feb

airfix

They should be building these in the countries where these people are … They should be building these in the countries where these people are coming from and getting themselves out of the stone age and into the 21 century. Why are we such a soft target?

We are a soft target because of our soft benefit laws. Entirely our fault.

6th Feb

arcangel111

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of … I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment. Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

Where do you live?

And would you be happy living in an area like that surrounded by immigrants if you were to be given a council house?

Round my way the problem with social housing isn't so much immigrants as it is elderly little old ladies blocking homes that could be used for families by still living by themselves in 3/4 bed council properties.

6th Feb

Whats happened to their homes.. Gods eye technology is real so why do lots of civilian homes have to be destroyed. To kill 5 people why are we killing a 100 or more.

Whats happened to their homes.. Gods eye technology is real so why do … Whats happened to their homes.. Gods eye technology is real so why do lots of civilian homes have to be destroyed. To kill 5 people why are we killing a 100 or more.

Where do you live? And would you be happy living in an area like that … Where do you live? And would you be happy living in an area like that surrounded by immigrants if you were to be given a council house? Round my way the problem with social housing isn't so much immigrants as it is elderly little old ladies blocking homes that could be used for families by still living by themselves in 3/4 bed council properties.

I live in Leeds .. in some parts it's quite nice but the rest of it is pretty much just one big Council Estate! I've lived here all my life (apart from when I didn't ) so I'm not too bothered who lives here, I just thought that after everything I've been through and done, the least I deserved was a nice new council house .. but nope!

6th Feb

arcangel111

I live in Leeds .. in some parts it's quite nice but the rest of it is … I live in Leeds .. in some parts it's quite nice but the rest of it is pretty much just one big Council Estate! I've lived here all my life (apart from when I didn't ) so I'm not too bothered who lives here, I just thought that after everything I've been through and done, the least I deserved was a nice new council house .. but nope!

Ah Leeds.

Makes sense.

Biggest council estate in Europe if you include all the bits of it I think.

I'm sure you've got a similar problem to us with lots of older folk in council houses that should really be for families as well, but of course they can't be moved on unless suitable alternative accommodation is built.

I can see why you'd be frustrated tbh.

6th Feb

@Captain Socks - My neighbour in the last house i lived in was a little old lady who had problems climbing the stairs. The council paid for her (2 bed) house adapting with stair lift and wet room. She passed away the day after work was completed.... Her home was put onto the council bidding list a couple weeks later. My wife and i decided we wouldn't bid for it as it had been adapted and first priority would go to a family that needed that equipment.

2 weeks after bids ended the council came round with a family to show the house. They were Somalian and they got the house even though none were disabled. Before they moved in the council ripped out all the work they'd done and refitted everything brand new from flooring to windows to kitchen and bathroom. The workmen were physically ill when i told them who'd gotten it as they were the ones who fitted it out for the old lass previously.

6th Feb

Euthanasia at 70 would solve a lot of problems.

6th Feb

donaldduck2

Euthanasia at 70 would solve a lot of problems.

No more deek ?

6th Feb

Although I agree, why are we keeping people alive in nursing homes who have absolutely no quality of life?

6th Feb

arcangel111

@Captain Socks - My neighbour in the last house i lived in was a little … @Captain Socks - My neighbour in the last house i lived in was a little old lady who had problems climbing the stairs. The council paid for her (2 bed) house adapting with stair lift and wet room. She passed away the day after work was completed.... Her home was put onto the council bidding list a couple weeks later. My wife and i decided we wouldn't bid for it as it had been adapted and first priority would go to a family that needed that equipment.2 weeks after bids ended the council came round with a family to show the house. They were Somalian and they got the house even though none were disabled. Before they moved in the council ripped out all the work they'd done and refitted everything brand new from flooring to windows to kitchen and bathroom. The workmen were physically ill when i told them who'd gotten it as they were the ones who fitted it out for the old lass previously.

6th Feb

airfix

No more deek ?

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6th Feb

airfix

No more deek ?

He can be preserved in formaldehyde for prosperity. X)

6th Feb

War is coming to decrease the surplus population so I wouldn't worry too much.

6th Feb

donaldduck2

He can be preserved in formaldehyde for prosperity. X)

Here lies deeky- stiff at last.

6th Feb

arcangel111

@Captain Socks - My neighbour in the last house i lived in was a little … @Captain Socks - My neighbour in the last house i lived in was a little old lady who had problems climbing the stairs. The council paid for her (2 bed) house adapting with stair lift and wet room. She passed away the day after work was completed.... Her home was put onto the council bidding list a couple weeks later. My wife and i decided we wouldn't bid for it as it had been adapted and first priority would go to a family that needed that equipment.2 weeks after bids ended the council came round with a family to show the house. They were Somalian and they got the house even though none were disabled. Before they moved in the council ripped out all the work they'd done and refitted everything brand new from flooring to windows to kitchen and bathroom. The workmen were physically ill when i told them who'd gotten it as they were the ones who fitted it out for the old lass previously.

In our village we have some council houses and one had an old chap in, he'd lived their all his life but his brother died so he was evicted to a smaller house miles away. Anyway his garden was so lovely, full of roses and plants and was a credit to the village, in move a young family and they rip up the whole garden down to turf and soil and he parks his old transit van and car on the mud, no driveway just a load of churned up mess, with huge plastic kids toys abandoned all over, these people don't deserve a house in our village, wasters!

Edited by: "airfix" 6th Feb

6th Feb

arcangel111

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of … I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment. Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

I was uncomfortable to see a lot of that being promoted 20 -30 years ago, it's what the politicians call 'positive discrimination' and it's pursued by all the established political parties.

I can see the reasoning behind ps, but I can also see some extremely dangerous problems with it;

1. It ignores people who have been on the waiting list for years.

2. Owing to point 1 it creates and fuels the fires of division.

The assumption by those who support ps that natives can bear the burden of homelessness better than non-natives is one of the main reasons this country is turning against the established political parties and voting in increasing numbers for UKIP.

6th Feb

donaldduck2

He can be preserved in formaldehyde for prosperity. X)

​Prosperity? You think preserving deeky in formaldehyde could be a good investment, do you mean 'posterity' or have you been taking financial advice from mutley? X)

6th Feb

donaldduck2

He can be preserved in formaldehyde for prosperity. X)

Is that Bobby Knutt? I didn't know he'd died.

6th Feb

rodders443

War is coming to decrease the surplus population so I wouldn't worry too … War is coming to decrease the surplus population so I wouldn't worry too much.

Unless we go full on nuclear glow in the dark war the numbers won't be so high, We need a good influenza pandemic to really clear out the numbers, a pandemic like the 1918/19 one would solve the EU unemployment/housing crisis very quickly.

6th Feb

did someone say immigrants

It's enough to make a leftist panda lose his temperX)

6th Feb

airfix

In our village we have some council houses and one had an old chap in, … In our village we have some council houses and one had an old chap in, he'd lived their all his life but his brother died so he was evicted to a smaller house miles away. Anyway his garden was so lovely, full of roses and plants and was a credit to the village, in move a young family and they rip up the whole garden down to turf and soil and he parks his old transit van and car on the mud, no driveway just a load of churned up mess, with huge plastic kids toys abandoned all over, these people don't deserve a house in our village, wasters!

Are you sure he was evicted?

Anyone over retirement age is protected from the bedroom tax etc.

Unlikely he was forced out (unless his health was also deteriorating).

Also, what exactly are you saying here?

An old retired man who doesn't work should be able to remain in a family home at tax-payers expense because he kept the garden nice?

A family shouldn't live in that family home because their children have toys and the parent works so he doesn't have time to keep the garden nice and needs somewhere to park his van?

Okay...

6th Feb

arcangel111

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of … I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment. Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

Sounds all too familiar to me does this. I'm also in Leeds and same position with work/kids. Think I'm destined to rent for the rest of time

6th Feb

CaptainSocks

Are you sure he was evicted? Anyone over retirement age is protected from … Are you sure he was evicted? Anyone over retirement age is protected from the bedroom tax etc. Unlikely he was forced out (unless his health was also deteriorating). Also, what exactly are you saying here? An old retired man who doesn't work should be able to remain in a family home at tax-payers expense because he kept the garden nice? A family shouldn't live in that family home because their children have toys and the parent works so he doesn't have time to keep the garden nice and needs somewhere to park his van? Okay...

I'm saying if you are given a house it should be kept tidy, not an eyesore, it should be on the agreement. Also I think it's a planning issue to drive over a high kerb and into your garden! She can't be that busy, each time I drive by she's huddled at the front porch smoking a cigarette, lol X)

You might think this looks fine in your neighbourhood, good for you.

Edited by: "airfix" 6th Feb

6th Feb

CaptainSocks

This must be true. It's in The Express. Font of all truth and knowledge.

That's a good point.

We've got to remember that a newspaper is actually only promoting the views of a few individuals who own it (- can you imagine if any of the groups in Misc were to own a newspaper? oO X) ).

At any rate, all they do is take a story and push it from their favoured angle, turning it and twisting it to fit their agenda, and 'losing' the bits that don't fit ( a bit like the Telegraph story highlighted in this thread missing the bit about how the children of immigrants tend to fall into line with the natives and on average only have a couple of kids).

6th Feb

arcangel111

I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of … I was on the council waiting list for 3 years recently.. 18 months of that was awaiting a load of new build homes in my area to be completed. I applied for all of them (those I was in the bracket for) I was denied every single house, because I didn't fill the criteria..... basically both me and my wife work full time, have 2 children and can comfortably pay our private rent on time without missing a payment. Apparently they would rather give homes to immigrants on full benefits than to me. In no way am I racist but there was only 1 White family that I saw move into the new homes ... They were Polish.2 years down the line I am still in private renting.

What you've said there is that you weren't in need of help. The other families may well have been in greater need.

That might sound unfair to you and I can understand why, but aren't there also going to be families who have saved their money, delayed having kids and are looking to buy their first home who might be priced out because supply is constricted by the need for council housing/social housing/affordable housing?

I imagine there are some who might view families like your's who are waiting on a list for a house to be given to you in the same way you view the Somalian family.