Talking with the "master of the claw"

If you asked ten different wrestling fans about Rene Goulet, you would probably get several different answers:

a solid technical wrestler

a magnificent heel as Sgt. Jacques Goulet

one of the best-known jobbers from early '80s WWF television programs

one of the guys who would run in to break up a fight on WWF TV

the "master of the claw"

Goulet, who was born Robert Bedard in Quebec City on July 12, 1932, could be considered one of the greatest jack-of-all-trades the industry has
known. However, wrestling wasn't originally his calling in the world of sports.

"I was always in sports," Goulet told SLAM! Wrestling. "I played hockey back home in Quebec, amateur hockey. In those days when they only had
five or six teams in the National Hockey League. Junior A was the next step to the majors, and I didn't make it there. But, I went to training camp with
a couple of teams when Jean Beliveau played for the Citadelles and with the Montreal Nationals when 'Boom Boom' Geoffrion was there."

The young defenceman's hockey career and life almost came to an end during a freak on-ice accident during a practice.

"I almost got killed playing hockey," he said. "I was in practice before the season started and this guy was coming down -- I was playing defenceman -- I gave him a bodycheck. He went down, and in those days the skates were different, his skate hit me under the chin and the blade went through my
throat. It almost killed me. I was in the hospital for six days, but after that I was on my feet. I made the season and went back to play after that."

Despite an interest in becoming a boxer, Goulet prepared to make his debut as a professional wrestler at a card in his hometown.

"My first real match was in 1956 in Quebec City," he said. "That night I was supposed to wrestle against Mad Dog Vachon. At that time he was still
Maurice Vachon and not the Mad Dog yet -- but he was worse than a mad dog. Lucky enough for me he didn't show up that night. He was in
Montreal and couldn't make it to Quebec City and was replaced by a French Canadian named Gerald Dugas. I won, and man, it was tough. I was very,
very nervous, especially in my home town. My wrestling career really didn't start until 1963. In 1956-57 I only wrestled two or three times a year. We
were local boys back home in Quebec and we couldn't get any break whatsoever.

Five years later, Goulet was given his first real opportunity in pro wrestling by the man who he was supposed to face in his debut.

"Finally, I wrestled the Mad Dog in '61 or '62 in Montreal at the Forum," he said. "After the match, Maurice asked me "why don't you go to the
States and wrestle?" I said I didn't know anybody and don't speak a word of english. He said, "well, I'll send you to Minneapolis." He grabbed the
phone and called Wally Karbo, who at the time was the promoter with (Verne) Gagne. I went up there and that was it. I've been on the road ever
since."

Gagne and his partner Wally Karbo gave the young French-Canadian his first opportunity with a large promotion, but they decided to make a small
change before putting him in their ring. The name of Rene Goulet came about as a nod to singer Robert Goulet, who was popular at the time.

LANGUAGE BARRIER

However, Goulet had other barriers to face in the ring. He was unable to speak English, which made the first few matches quite difficult.

"I couldn't speak a word of English. That was very tough for me. You would get in the ring and the guys would tell you something and I couldn't
understand a damned thing. In those days I used to wrestle against Curt Hennig's father, Larry "The Axe". He was a big, tough kind of bully. He used
to beat the hell out of me. That's how I learned. I learned good too, good and fast!"

Hennig had nothing but praise for his old friend.

"He was a great tag team wrestler," he said. "Always trained hard, worked hard."

After nearly a decade in the Minneapolis territory, Goulet would occasionally wrestle with other promotions during the summer when Gagne would
run fewer shows. It was also around this time when he would participate in a rare babyface match with Jerry Brisco in Oklahoma City. The epic battle
resulted in a draw, and the crowd demanded a rematch.

Goulet had many positive things to say about his time with the AWA.

"That was a good time, a good experience. I was very happy with it. I was in Minneapolis in and out for almost 10 years. I used to stay there for
about a year or 15 months and go to a different territory and switch back again. Minneapolis at the time was considered the number one territory. If
you were in there, that was pretty good. I was very happy because they gave me a break and I was working on top."

A decision to relocate to Vince McMahon's WWWF in 1971 resulted in Goulet's first chance at championship gold. He was partnered with
tough-as-nails Karl Gotch and they defeated "Crazy" Luke Graham and Tarzan Tyler for the tag team title on December 6, 1971.

"The first time I went (to wrestle) for Vince Sr. was in 1971," he said. "They put me with Karl Gotch -- he was a tough son-of-a-gun, a shooter -- and
we got the belts from Tarzan Tyler and Luke Graham. Just after we had the belts, everything was going good, Gotch had a chance to got to [Antonio] Inoki's
new promotion in Japan. They came all the way to New York and asked Karl if he wanted to become their booker. He agreed with it, and here I am by
myself. We were supposed to keep the belts for a year."

Kotch and Goulet dropped the belts to Baron Mikel Scicluna and King Curtis at the next television taping (February 1, 1972), and he stayed on a few
more months before looking for new opportunities.

"I placed a call to Verne Gagne to go back there," he said. "He asked me if I wanted to go to Japan, and I said okay. Before I went to Japan, I booked
myself in Montreal for Maurice Vachon and his partner who had just started Grand Prix wrestling."

Originally, Goulet was to leave for Japan with Tarzan Tyler, Baron Scicluna and Big Bill Miller. However, Tyler was injured during a match with
Andre the Giant. He enjoyed working in Japan and recalled one particular incident which was particularly humourous.

"I got into an incident there," he said. "We had a six-man tag against three Japanese guys. One guy we didn't like too much, his name was Tanaka,
and I was in the ring with him and he was beating the hell out of me. I'm down on my knees and I grabbed his wrestling tights and pulled them all the
way down to his ankles. He was bare-assed naked! He was so insulted -- this guy was pissed. I went and tagged Bill Miller and the Japanese people
were laughing. After the tour he said I really insulted him."

Goulet also worked briefly in Germany in the early '70s. The promoters decided to call him Buddy Rogers, Jr. He was amazed by the use of lighting
and entrance music before match, something which was being done 10 years before North American promotions.

He also toured Australia, Hawaii and wrestled for a number of different promotions during the '70s. Goulet believes this made him a better performer
in the ring.

"In those days, that was what made you such a good worker compared to those guys today. When you worked in a new territory, everything was
changed. Most of the time, you would have a different opponent every night, you didn't wrestle the same guys, the same bullsh*t. That's how you
learned the business and became a hell of a worker. No offense to some of the guys today, but that's what it was."

Upon returning to North America, Goulet made a decision which would alter the course of his career.

"I said I didn't want to work babyface anymore," said Goulet. "I felt much better in that position."

It was also around this time when he would meet one of his greatest friends in the industry -- Andre The Giant.

"I travelled with Andre The Giant and was very close friends with him," he said. "He used to live 60 miles out of Charlotte. This guy was amazing.
He was a true giant in this business and he was very good. He was a ring leader."

Goulet had a great deal of respect for the Eighth Wonder of the World, and still thinks of him today.

"If Andre called something, you'd better do it," said Goulet. "He was not an ego guy. He would think about the whole match, and wherever he goes,
he was the man. He was a good friend of mine, and I really miss the guy."

THE CLAW

Goulet became a feared opponent all over North America because he used the claw hold as a finisher. The idea to use it was proposed to him by
Dusty Rhodes during a stint in Florida. He feels that it wasn't anything which was revolutionary.

"Nothing is new in the wrestling business," he said. "The claw was used by different people like Fritz Von Erich in Dallas, Don Jardine and Baron
Von Raschke. I started using it in Minneapolis. When I became Sgt. Jacques Goulet, I would put the claw on the guys and beat them like that."

Goulet has made many friends in professional wrestling, including a young Ric Flair, whom he handed his first defeat. Flair recently spoke with
SLAM! Wrestling and gave overwhelming praise to Goulet.

"He was one of the greatest people I've known in the industry," he said. "He was a consummate professional and a good personal friend as well."

When asked for a particular memory of Goulet, Flair was in rare form.

"I can't tell you because his wife will read the article," Flair joked. "He's a great guy. He and his wife are real nice people."

Even former WWF champion Bruno Sammartino, who was not a close friend of Goulet's, understood how much he contributed to wrestling.

"I only wrestled him a couple of times," he said. "He was a terrific performer in the ring. He was a guy who loved the business."

CAREER RENAISSANCE

As the '70s drew to a close, Goulet headed back to the WWWF in search of a greater opportunity.

"I came back to again in 1979 working for Vince McMahon," he said. "That's when I started making really good money."

"We started January 1 -- Hogan, myself, the Samoans and Ken Patera. We had a hell of a crew. Business was good. Every place we'd go was
packed."

Some of Goulet's earliest matches in his WWF return were against a young Hulk Hogan. Once again, Goulet was to battle with one of the wrestling's
biggest stars during the infancy of their career.

"Hogan was a heel at the time," he recalled. "I wrestled to put him over, and that was good for me because I made more money that way. That helped
him learn more of the business."

However, this stay in the New York territory was short-lived and Goulet returned to the AWA.

"I stayed in New York for a year and went to Minneapolis," he said. "Hogan was there again with Verne. Then he was the babyface and I was the
heel. I worked with him all over the territory to put him over again. Hogan was over like a million dollars. Minneapolis was the hottest territory in the
country, especially when Hogan was there. It was unbelievable."

After his final AWA stint, Goulet made a choice which would shape the rest of his career by returning to New York prior to Vince McMahon, Jr.
purchasing the company from his father. Not only was he wrestling nearly 300 nights a year, but he also had some new responsibilities.

"At first I became a (road) agent while I was still wrestling," said Goulet. "I used to wrestle the first match, then I would tell the guys what to do and
take care of the dressing room. Sometimes I used to go to the box office with my wrestling boots on."

Goulet would wrestle his last match in Detroit in 1984 and became a full-time road agent. He also had a feature on the Tuesday Night Titans
program called Cafe Rene. The wrestling business was beginning to reach new heights, even bigger than today, in Goulet's opinion.

"They talk about how today the business is good," he said. "But in those days I'd say it was even better. We used to run three towns a night in those
days and it was sold out. It was unbelievable. That was a hell of an era."

Goulet would make one last in-ring appearance as a wrestler in 1987 during an oldtimer's battle royale at New Jersey's Brendan Byrne Arena.

For the rest of his tenure with the WWF, Goulet would look after backstage matters and make sporadic appearances on television programming
whenever individuals from the backstage area were brought out to break up a heated post-match battle.

A long career in wrestling came to an abrupt end in 1997 when he was notified his services were no longer needed.

"One night Jerry Brisco called me and told me I was still with the World Wrestling Federation, but they would use me if the need to," he said. "But
hey, no hard feelings. You don't have and sympathy in the wrestling business. I had some good times and some tough times. An agent was a tough
job. You had to please the boys and please the office. You were in the middle at all times."

Goulet doesn't appear to be bitter about how his career ended.

"When you finish in the wrestling business, they sometimes forget you. It's a no mercy business, guys drop dead and they step over you. The
wrestling career was good for me," he said. "No regrets, and I would do it again. It was a good time. Sometimes it's hard on your family because
you're always gone. I wish I could have kept it going for another couple of years."

Today, Goulet is retired and resides in Charlotte, North Carolina, where has lived for over 20 years. Several weeks ago, he underwent hip replacement surgery and notes he is recovering nicely.

"It's the first time in my life I've done nothing for six weeks," he said.

After becoming an American citizen three years ago, he spends a great deal of time playing in golf and expects to be back on the links in about six months. He doesn't watch wrestling very much these days, but offered his thoughts on current WWF product.

"What I don't like about it today is it's the same thing over and over. They've got the same format, and I hope they change it pretty damned fast. It's a 25-30 minute start to the show and it's getting boring as hell."

He also offered praise for the WWF's talent, especially Kurt Angle.

"The WWF has fantastic matches on their show, they've got great talent," he said. "One guy I like is that kid Kurt Angle. In the time I've been in the
wrestling business, most of the time you bring a guy in from amateurs into pros it's not good. For this guy in the short amount of time he's been in
the pros -- unbelievable! He's learned a bit, he's a good talker, he's good in the ring. He's unbelievable."

Memories

Rene, I miss your "interventions" in the ring, you reminded me of a young guy Lafleur coming down on right wing with his
blong hair in the air!!
Happy retirement.
Yves Leroux from Montreal