Jeb Bush on the Future of America and the GOP

5/1/2013 2:09PM

In an exclusive interview with Peter Robinson, former Governor Jeb Bush discusses the challenges facing America in the new century, and what the Republican party needs to do in order to remain relevant. "Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson" is produced by the Hoover Institution.

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... a Republican who served for eight years as governor of a stake in which Democrats outnumber Republicans by half a million ... and age in which Hispanics make up almost a quarter of the population ... yet who left office with an approval rating of more than sixty percent ... today an uncommon knowledge the forty third governor of Florida ... Jeb Bush ... on common knowledge ... now ... the the the the the ... welcome to uncommon knowledge on Peter Robinson ... the son of one president and the brother of another John Ellis Jeb Bush ... served as governor of Florida from nineteen ninety nine to two thousandseven ... in a state that has no income tax to begin with ... he cut taxes in each of his eight years ... and although registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans in Florida by half a million ... Jeb Bush left office with an approval rating of sixty three percent ... Jeb Bush now divides his time between practicing business ... and speaking and writing about public policy ... earlier this year Governor Bush and his co author Clip bullet ... published immigration wars forging an American solution ... Bush welcomed appears to be with you ... segment one What's Wrong Jeb Bush speaking earlier this year this from your seat pack speech ... quote ... I'd travel a lot ... and I've seen firsthand the explosive economic growth in places like China ... Singapore and Brazil ... the streets ... Basile with energy ... when I returned home ... the mood is different ... he I think we've lost our ... embrace of diamonds idle think were ... as ... excited as a nation about the interesting about that the discovery around the corner ... even though ... the Queen sitting here you know and ... California if if you don't see the of the future is incredibly bright I think you're missing what what's happening this is the time is the greatest time to be alive in yet ... an inter country has lost some confidence about the future ... and therefore it's easier and we ... more of us tend to default for its economic security in the form of larger government ... in Seoul the countries that have graced ... this dynamic ... approach the American approach ... are the ones that done now ... full of optimism ... really bored of thinking that there's an incredibly bright future and we're moving away from that and moving towards the philosophy looks more like Europe's that he will your sleep you know there are those who stay ... in the case of Americas in its third century ... as the country ages ... as the population ages ... it's only natural for us to look more and more like Europe ... would cut government spending now accounting for about forty percent of GDP growth of about two percent well ... that's what France and Germany of experience for several decades now ... of our relative decline in influence in the world Britain went through that ... half a century ago ... what's happening to the United States is what happens to be countries over time so Governor just get used to it this is the new normal I mean it's an incredibly depressing ... me what a very passive us a varied but I hear this awful time sure ... it's a very pessimistic approach ... the the idea that somehow we're in perpetual decline is not something that some people that have some influence over the process should accept ... we should be able to re organize ourselves and to re enter footing ... and to look at our pasts and see what ... what's been successful in applied to the future ... though ... well we well were taught him what's wrong ... there's one political party will come in a moment fewer policy ... policy prescriptions for the country does one political party your political party ... that broadly speaking agrees with you ... and they believe as Jubilee ... that that the mood of the country's out of sync with the underlying reality ... and yet is that well you're switching yourself said about the Republican party ... I'm calling you ... way too many people believe Republicans are anti immigrant anti woman anti science anti gay anti worker ... in the list goes on ... many voters are unwilling to choose Republican candidates ... because they feel ... unloved unwanted and on welcome in the GOP ... the Republican party that agrees with your view of the United States ... elected Ronald Reagan ... George H W Bush George W Bush ... and now we've held millions of Americans ... that happened ... no I think we've become too reactionary we have not ... been as positive offering ... concrete proposals that are ... in bed interim based on this principle that ... of the future is incredibly bright if if we believe that we would be advocating across the board principles and policies that would advance that notion ... we've become ... partially for good reason the the overreach of the president Pres Obama ... this deeply disturbed a lot of people I think ... what people on the sideline see is a Republican Party ... based in Washington ... reacting ... to this overreach road and seeing what what are you know positive proposal Scott Walker's doing Wisconsin is a way of thirty governors we have a majority of them Brownback in Kansas ... Brian Sandoval Susanna Martinez Rick Scott has been working hard and Florida ... Rick Snyder these are these are gone or so cars could be in and do one and make a difference ... of but if you look at ... the political landscape we've become pretty Washington centric and are you know who's who's opining in what's going on and that's not a pretty place right now ... Signet to grow ... Jeb Bush rating in Newsmax called ... the conservative movement has to be a movement of the world ... our focus needs to be on how we can grow our economy ... the only path to the reduction in debt requires growth ... in the private sector to downward can ensure that come up with the use of the growing more growth another dozen times that one article ... so how can we do ... well we should have a patriotic energy policy based on American innovation and technology in North American resources we could be energy secure with within five years ... do a three hundred billion dollar balance of payments deficit just on oil imports alone back to be wiped out if we created the strategy ... I think immigration policy that focuses shifts towards ... an economic approach rather than family reunification is critical to that ... growing our population with aspiring people ... will increase our productivity and increase economic growth ... clearly a transformed education system over the long haul would be part of this ... three in regulation in the twenty first century ... fiscal policy that to ... it's not about austerity necessarily but does recognize the government spends way too much and that we should S government to do a few things to do to them well ... if you do this I think our economy can grow at three a half four percent three-year ... in there is no tax increase that comes close to the revenue that could be ... generated for government are all levels if we're growing three and half of workers ... taxes ... Raul Reagan takes office in the top ... personal income tax rate is seven percent he cuts that under thirty years ago ... it took about thirty nine percent now depend ... in any rush to lose California to live in California ... thanks alot for the year ... to keep an eye out for a quarter acre around the coral Gables if you would please ... um ... the point of trying to make use ... we've got a trillion dollar ... deficit every year ... in tax rates are already relatively low is that one from Moshe just isn't moving to move ... we should be looking at creative ways to ... lesson ... that lower tax rates on corporations with highs in the world ... and individuals in return for ... um eliminating ... loopholes ... the the tax code is rife with ... all sorts of well intended ideas that affect ... government spending the call tax expenditures for reason ... and ... the sch the the ... the benefit of that would be would generate more revenue from ... which ... we all that should be the purpose of tax policy not expropriation of people's ... turn up efforts ... in a would also ... shift power away from Washington and away from the government into the hands of people to make decisions for themselves ... the cost of compliance the cost of ... all of the mind numbing ... complexity of our tax code ... sucks the life out of ... economic activity in this country ... and so I think ... the big tax neutral ... us policy were your Loring Rates and Loring eliminating ... deductions and credits and left an Albanian tax credits to write to fruition ... you know what song is just a crazy hodgepodge ... would be would have those dual fact it would generate a revenue more revenue for the government but not in an intimate way that ... that you know it is is a political way right now tax policies are based on ... narrowing the deficit tax policy is based on ... fairness ... theoretical theoretical terms or class warfare to put another way around downturn people or you ... are ... monetary policy and remand Ki do that ... Rand Paul his father had ... made a big point of attacking ... the Fed ... so again the contrast with the Reagan years ... reading comes in and colitis Paul Volcker my reading of one two places the rigging his Paul Volcker the political cover frankly to ... take the money supply ring inflation over the system ... and establish the basis for the ... twenty five years of growth the ball ... O'Meley abandoned and key ... with the ... loose monetary policy certainly since the Second World War no inflation because the economy so sluggish ... well ... are you love RU RU generally favorably disposed toward what Ben burn areas done what your view on style ... Priceline is you know if you cut it up and interest rates go up ... the federal deficit becomes enormously larger theory that if you haven't the surprise the bond women of the ... but it's it's it's it's manmade it's made by this policy the idea that quantitative easing ... is perpetual is really dangers ... for two reasons one ... ultimately ... the the Fed can't be the only buyer of our debt ... right now it's the majority of the day was purchased by the for reserve ... some held that will be Mana ties in a way that either creates high inflation ... or a crisis of some kind ... secondly if it penalizes the safer ... so I've been on and I was really lucky blessed in many ways the governor the state of Florida ... for Floridians many of them are ... retirees ... they there was the implied contract ... that ... still existed least ... rhetorically which is ... you provide for your family then use the new provide for yourself ... you can retire and live in paradise and Florida ... in you can live off of your income ... will today ... that CD is in the in the ... single digit basis points ... instead of getting any kind of interest return ... of the only been a fishery of the spotless zero percent interest rate policy is the federal government the only major bar Werner entire system ... all savers or penalize ... in those that are seeking credit in the private sector that would be so necessary to jumpstart our economy and creating more ... robust growth scenario ... they can access credit ... this is this is this policy ... um maybe ... with good intentions at the beginning to stave off what could've been a calamity ... of epic proportions ... by sustaining and I think puts us in really curls growth ahead ... from a former governor for this point is particular moral authority in heaven quite fun of it this way before ... the jury there are millions of folks in Florida ... the play by the rules all their lives ... and then Ben burn Anqi came on and change the rules ... no one is in its Nevada fisheries really early in the financial ... area so ... you know we we were creating an America where the access to the benefits of those kinds of things are ... are barreling into ... Wall Street and Washington Wall Street investors in Washington DC and that's a tragedy that has to change in addition that the other ... of serious problem or monetary policy ... is that it enables incredibly bad behavior in this ... house ... so we have increased in the last twelve years ... our debt by ... two and fifty percent saying and debt service today is lor then it was twelve years ago ... at the same time this is going on ... as our dessert deficits are in the trillion dollar Ramsay ... up ... sixty percent of the debt comes due in three years ... so we've narrowed our maturities in this low interest rate environment rather than a normal person would say moment after interest rates are so low it ... was two hundred ... year ... bonds ... let's take advantage of this but our federal government the part of the Treasury ... under Geitner and the new circuitry continues on the policy of ... basically using a credit card to pay for the structural deficits that ours will long as far as the eye can see ... entitlements chimp Bush week and I'm quoting you ... we must also address entitlements this is an area great opportunity opportunity ... the other party meaning the Democrats are shown no willingness to bring reforms to Medicare Medicaid and Social Security close call ... governor ... I've put before you ... the experience of your brother ... who after being re elected president of United States ... devoted them out the team month of his second term and I'm told pollute political capital ... pushing for sundry form of social security ... and even his own party was so lukewarm and support ... that not a single piece of legislation ... made its way to the fore in the house for the Senate ... you are asking ... the impossible ... not ... this is a new met someone who says that are entitled system is is sustainable ... no haven't heard the present Obama has said it but it's not a ... he can't believe it ... just more than ... if something is not sustainable and by not acting we make it worse and make it harder to be able to deal with it ... we have to put our big boy pants and Lee ... in the problem the problem with this ... this ... political situation right now is in everybody's fearful about proposing ... even if its controversial ... suggestions to solve problems ... because for fear of retribution ... then we'll never get anything done and I think ... I think there's a missed ... opportunity are truly believe this is an opportunist is why I admire Paul Ryan so much ... he really is ... the one person in their many others but he's the guy that stands out in Washington as ... having the guts to lay out a detailed plan to deal with these these problems it can be soft ... these are not that ... no ... salt is low on salt ... domes his home district ... is pretty evenly divided on the Vatican are evidence of mostly the case that his own folks ... responds to somebody who has the guts frankly could ... to try to take an hour plus he persuades he doesn't just say I'm for this in the leaves and that in me recognizes that you have to use language that the proper line which ... but have no specificity to be able to convince people that you're serious about it ... intake can use the energy that you have whatever energy you do have the ... to persuade people ... can look a look at the last campaign ... the um ... the Governor Romney did not lose this election because seniors ... abandon ... his candidacy he won ... people over the age of sixty five by double digits ... Tyler couldn't other reasons as well but I think when he picked Paul Ryan ... in during the two week period right after the Tories ... were they defended these reforms ... they moved up in the polls even moved and ... I think we ... going over for for two weeks the campaign was on off it's yes and then it for some reason they stop talking about it and um ... and oh well the president and his campaign to define them ... which is unfortunate that was of ... him ... I think the Pres or Romney today would be focused on solving problems were is this president is trying to win will record its statement re education Jeb Bush Paul ... each child in America deserves the best education on the planet and why not ... we already spend more per pupil than any other country ... in the world ... um ... um um ask about the education reforms United and for the moment the first that statistic ... we spend more per student ... than any other nation ... why did the statistics I found a great ... statistics recruiters one of the show that Americans ranked ninth in math ... content and science ... for ... somebody who wants to know in in the brief summary was long with American public schools with the ... we we have low standards ... we have little accountability ... we don't ... have um ... to focus on record ... and we get the result that we aspire to ... our country is not going to be a great country if we continue to dumb down ... the ... of the morning so the children ... get through this ... the maze of the K twelve experience of about forty percent ... are probably college and work are are ready ... after spending ... more than in the eyes of those ... so I don't I don't think it's the teachers I don't think it's our students and or naturally dumber than the other students are measured in these tests ... I think it's a system that doesn't work if you were a Martian ... you cannot but if you were a new parachuted down to analyze ... the public education system in nine states ... you would become founded ... this you would say this this most dynamic country this country of this the source of ... this proportion amounts of technology innovation ... has decided its governance model its thirteen thousand plus government monopolies ... that are heavily unionized ... focused on the adults ... the center piece but it would correct me if I make a mistake you're talking to which it didn't work because I understand that the center of the centerpiece of your reforms in Florida was the A-plus clan ... very briefly Florida students in grades three through ten take the annual Florida comprehensive achievement test ... based on the results ... of public schools the schools not the kids the schools received praise from Asia ... the schools they received bad grades students are given the opportunity to use vouchers ... to enable them to go to school elsewhere including private schools and religious schools ... how's that work out ... for the phenomenally well that the Supreme Court ruled that ... the portion of the vouchers that voucher program we of others ... one was ruled unconstitutional so now all ... of failing schools parents can go to ... a higher achieving public school ... oh we have never funded school choice we have transparent accountability there's nothing more transparent than ABCD in a can of and exchange the system ... so every kid in the school counts in this accountability system ... in the net result is for has gone from being literally at the back ... in terms of ... any of the state by state assessments to ... above the national average and forth in its Korean reading and math ... and um ... in the gains have been the greatest ... with the kids in poverty ... limited English proficiency its ... Hispanic kids after American kids ... learning disabled kids and everyone else categories for probably ... not Polypore is in the top five ... in every one of those categories on the nation's report card than a test ... so robust accountability was the first part of the book than the strategies developed to ensure the kids learned became ... come home are of the plan ... I live in California for couple decades now love that place ... you will ... during my couple of decades here they've been ... two major ballot initiatives ... to provide vouchers to students in schools are performing badly ... and the teachers unions well spent ... the Pro can dish pro voucher forces by a huge multiple ... and both of those initiatives went down by about ... two or more than two to one ... Gov Wilson back in the early nineties propose legislation similar to yours ... in which students of the very bottom performing schools you think this would be threatening to anyone at all ... students in the worst schools in California ... would be given some limited out your assistance ... and he couldn't get it through ... the California legislature ... I need you to ... you know a masculine asking is how to get around the unions well ... two things happened one I said Wells and do in the campaign ... so I actually think it's important to not ... have a secret plan ... to have a real plan and the public plan that people ... can um ... the euro on their own whether it's the right thing to do or not ... so the nineteen ninety eight campaign was about the A-plus plan for education ... in it ... I was the challenger but ... my ideas in education were the dominant feature of the campaign he can allow us to have a mandate ... in effect ... in the legislature sense of this well so ... we acted fast and then we faithfully implemented in a way that ... allow for it to be successful ... today in doctors were not known if always been controversial in court as well but today the majority of ... after American legislators support the um ... school choice programs in Florida ... the corporate tech scholarship program or fifty thousand low income kids go to private schools ... consistently gets a majority of their American support ... sold as the success became clearer ... more people than the fear is dropped and more people began to support it ... so sticking with the I think is another important part of all seem to think of hers that this is a cruel to put the question I think you know what I'm trying to get ... in June ... the two unions or or persuade ... you have to be ... no we did there was no persuading ... in fact ... of the folklore is that of ... the Union mortgage they're building to support ... my opponent in the mire reelection campaign ... and and um ... and then had to sell the building ... after work so ... I'm not sure if that's ... completely accurate defense that was kind of political reality when everyone is it's a very there are a very powerful group and I'd I always respected the union because I never got ... an ever confuse ... what their mission was to what they are ... the true mission is to ... represent the economic interests of ... of school personnel not just teachers that's what they do and so don't be surprised if they like monopolies ... where they collectively bargain where there is no accountability because that empowers them to deal directly with ... unaccountable school districts a ... surprise that they advocate that ... the case ... al Shanker said it best ... in a moment of ... of of clarity when he said ... when kids start up and union dues all-star representing them ... we shouldn't be surprising that unions are principally there to support the interests of the adults and six ... how do we take ... the lessons you've learned in Florida ... he demonstrated core ... can apply to the national level ... with the first question ... would you like to see more Federal participation in education or are you saying to the tothe folks in the other forty nine states states this should remain a state ... responsibility ... but local we didn't for ... us exactly where our foundation to us to go state by state ... to help ... policymakers governors State school officers ... legislators to do exactly that to take a version of the Florida experience were the Indiana ... experience of the Louisiana experience ... chair of the lessons learned along the way and helped them devise strategies to bring about reform ... and of that should not be a federal issue that should be a state by state issue the other thing that I think ... a place like California that has a Stacey's ... Gov missed basis legislature that ... is interested in much reform ... I think is to embrace the digital learning ... um ... revolution if you will hopefully to revolution ... because the betta Fisheries of that will be the ... content providers in the ... software developers and all of the bubbling up um incredible talent that exists out here that could reshape education ... you can literally transform rather than reform and in so you know you would think that ... in that particular case where the convergence of good economic development potential ... plus The ... that I've tried and true ... ability the innovative spirit of California ... could be a place where many California could lead the way they are not yet ... been ... girl can dream ... up ... Singapore integration ... you are intent ... on salting the immigration problem you made clear in this book immigration wars ... because you're eager ... it's easy to get the feeling reading this book that you're almost desperate ... for the Republican party to find some way to appeal to Hispanics ... Hispanics you argue are socially conservative ... the religious ... the small business owners and all kinds of ways they are natural ... Republicans ... but ... there is some dissent ... within the party of among observers ... so what are you due at the journalist other Mattel who notes the high ... of welfare ... high proportion of Hispanics were in welfare for example fall ... far from exercising a break and the erosion of traditional values the growing Hispanic population ... will provide the impetus for more ... government alternatives ... to personally responsible ... public and party on the other being weary of Hispanics now ... rushing to embrace the government by the reason why we wrote this book was from a policy point in our political point of view but the political argument of that ... we should ... not take advantage of the immigrant heritage for sustained economic growth that benefits everybody ... to me is ludicrous number one number two ... the idea that up ... to ... it is Heather's argument is this ... correct ... then I guess it's over ... because the fastest growing demographic group in America ... not just of the party about eleven million undocumented people but the people are already here the people that can begin to participate become citizens and then ... Mr. boat and then vote ... by far away the largest and fastest growing ... new demographic or Latino voters and so if the argument is that all is lost ... all is lost and I just completely disagree with that I think that we ... you know politics is a dynamic business you have to ... persuade ... and ... all I know is for my own Pursell experience of the last time I ran I got the majority of the Democratic Hispanic voters in the form of support ... about sixty percent ago representing ... her is is is very important piece of your records the law to ask about it to be the chance to ... play out explicitly ... you did not ... merely when the Cuban vote Cubans from ... most Oracle reasons tend to be conservative and Republican ... losing your country economists will do that ... he did not just when the Cannonball now that's right and it was because ... Gov scandal lead in this regard governors can ... appoint people that share their views in the in in in the future ... one of the first Latino Supreme Court justice ... I had men and women of ... the great diversity that we're concerned is a work in my administration ... every chance I had I've tried to ... embrace the idea that ... that everybody ought to be able to surf and in doing so the newly ... emerging groups were the ones that were the most of the benefit of the most ... and in terms of policies ... and in terms of advocacy in terms of being in and do when inside the communities ... you can persuade people ... and in all it's now last I mean it's just ... find it ... amazing ... that people don't see ... how all of ... you know you can move the needle in a different direction you can change the course that ... countries are on or politics is on ... and to just surrender and say all is lost I think guarantees and if you keep sending signals we don't want you to be no course we want your vote ... we want to be on our team you can join our club The think people are dead ... it is ... we want your vocal we wish or here yet ... it's like the girl in the grass it's been so long to get the the the best example of Canary in the coal mine ... are necessary Latino voters of the Asian American workers ... they've supported Pres Obama at a higher percentage than one teams ... they are their higher income than the median in the country ... they have more intact families ... they have their higher percentage of college educated there more entrepreneurial ... it would be if that Martian came down again that Martian would say this must be a Republican group ... seventy five twenty three ... it's a reason why Mitt Romney lost urgent ... Asians ... I'm looking it's ... there's a there's something going on here that goes beyond just kind of the the easy ... analysis ... you know from ... from the outside ... on ... immigration wars ... brief ... written book about it this is a ... good fit book ... well ... and as he did reduce an ox globally IQ here and then you wanted ... you propose you include bullet proposal is ... shifting the basis of immigration from family ... relationships too ... to to to the tothe nation's economic means canceling the cheese then the Foerster circus but is it surprising that right now about thirteen percent of all immigrants that come legally come ... for economic purposes H1 B visa is the very tiny ... guest worker programs we have ... and seventy five percent say come ... for a ... petition by family members ... so today in America of the law which ... it was changing in the nineteen sixties ... and I think it's an old law so long but Ismail had this impact of what's called chain migration where you can claim ... your older parents your brother your adult brothers and sisters ... your spell so obviously in your minor children ... in the cascading effect of this now has crowded out all the forms of immigration ... what we propose was to narrow that down to spell some minor children ... to create a legal category ... that ... allow for people to come ... Gregor order if you will ... and then to dramatically expand the economic bases of both in the high-end as well as a guest worker program to deal with the soup significant shortages ... of that exist that are recording the economic growth that we need ... it mirrors in many ways what has been proposed in the Senate and what's being discussed in the house ... that brings us to the ... legislation ... came ... under discussion beginning this week and think hearings were held today ... the proposal by the so-called gang of eight the Senate ... open probably the most prominent numbers your friend Republican senator from Florida Marco ... Rubio ... the legislation is ... complicated but I've gotta try to some of the very briefly ... immigrants already in the country illegally would register with the government ... has a background check to Fallon pay me back taxes and they would then become RPI is or ... registered provisional immigrants were all going to hear a lot about RPI is ... registered traditional immigrants ... the bill would implement a three part enforcement scheme ... including an e verify system ... and entry and exit system ... to check and pieces forty percent of immigrants in the country today ... illegally are here because they've overstayed their visas ... and three increased border security and here's the ... important part of the novel but ... certainly the political novel The ... only when all three parts of Enforcement's scheme are implemented ... and only after remaining RPI is registered traditional immigrants for some ten years would R P I's be permitted to ... register for green cards and then after another long waiting period ... only then ... for citizenship ... do you like ... I think in those two things in ... it ... there's a penalty paid for coming illegally ... number one number two ... before ... these folks could apply for citizenship which could be from ... the euro thirteen to say sixty the way out into the future way ... of the ... long lines of people that have been patiently waiting to get into the country through legal means would be flushed out ... still the principle that people ... who ... have applied ... and then have been waiting patiently for being treated better than those that came from Yelp all most of which must we came for ... pre Carrefour motivations taken care of their families making sure there there was food on the table for their loved ones ... pushed out of their country because of a lack of economic opportunity ... whatever the motives were ... they did come illegally in this I thinks important for future border security ... if we go in there before to have a ... going forward system that were the border is secure were people don't come illegally you have to have a system where legal immigration is easier with less costs unless friction been illegal immigration ... so that it achieves that bed to important point ... by extending this out over thirteen to fifteen years ... during testimony today ... Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration studies ... call ... registered traditional immigrant status brings with it ... work authorization legitimate social security account driver's license travel documents ... registered provisional immigrant status ... is the amnesty ... that is to say it transforms the illegal alien ... came to a person lawfully ... admitted to the United States close call ... not amnesty if it's the objective is to get a Green Corps work to get to this show ... when you're paying two thousand dollars in fines ... you can't violate ... you can create a commit a felony or three misdemeanors ... we have to learn English you have to pay back taxes if you haven't paid them ... your pain your debts to society ... I would look it this way ... so someone crosses the border ... in whatever means became legally in the state ... and they've made a life peer in this country ... the most of them pay taxes most of them are bills taxes and so for some summer and income taxes ... because they falsified their identification and they're ... there and you know they're working ... as though people think that they're here legally though so they've ... they've they've broken the law that is the law that they've broken look doesn't look more like a ... job driving a hundred miles an hour ... in a fifty five mile an hour speed zone or is it like a first degree fell ... let people make that judgment themselves ... um but I would say it's closer to a Sobel Kennelly then it is to a ... felony if people did commit crimes ... when they're here illegally they should be deported no one is suggesting that they not be deported ... in that in how we can enforce these laws without having people come out from the show us ... all right now can here's my reading on ... and keep ... aspect of the political opposition even to ... Marco Rubio what he's proposing ... and it's this ... it's not anti immigrant ... it's that Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty six signed an amnesty that that was only half the legislation the other half of that legislation ... was new and quite ... by the standards of the time quite rigorous enforcement measures Ronald Reagan signed the legislation ... in good faith believing ... that we wouldn't need another amnesty that the legal problem with an ... and from nineteen eighty six to the present day ... the federal government ... has consistently and willful ... reached trust ... reach faced with the American people it has failed ... catastrophic Lee ... under presidents of both parties ... to enforce laws already on the books ... to question the fundamental question of trust and the rule of law there's an oil law there's no question about that the book and I truly believe this there is a tension ... between ... embracing our immigrant heritage and the benefits that accrue in a very competitive world we need to take advantage of our strengths and a respect for the rule of law ... I think this bill ... threads that needle ... by a ... by creating pretty significant penalties for people in extending this process over a long period of time and then having three traders ... up on the border security posts which you mention in terms of e verify ... um and and and dealing in creating a decent system that actually ... works where people can come to this country legally and just overstayed their welcome and not not know where they are ... Joan Bush ... reading with Coppola can immigration wars ... the Republican party ... who needs to put immigration behind his close call ... pushing back the new one last time yet ... the governor ... this will put the immigration wars behind the Republican party ... these RPI is registered traditional ... immigrants eleven or twelve million of them have to wait at least ten years ... we know ... don't think ... that the Democrats had any say over and over and over again during those ten years ten years is to ... bill introduced measures in Congress a couple of years beginning a couple years from now somewhat shortened that time ... they'll say you should be able to receive certain federal benefits while you're waiting ... and wind blows eleven or twelve million folks ... finally get to the end of that ... of course the Democrats will try to short of where the and finally is ... they will be more firmly ... members of the Democratic Party than Hispanics today ... piano that accompli this credo adieu adieu ... well for the tablet the political dynamic that ... was oh no I think I think it misread to these people or ... for starters most look at the pass to see if there's any indication what the future looks like in the eighty six or eighty seven law ... the three million people that were ... allow for an ... expedited path to citizenship in less than half a plug for suspicion ... people came to this country to work ... the idea that summer everybody comes here wants to ... embrace our ... our heritage embrace what it is to be an American is just not been proven out ... people want to work they want to come out from the shows they want to be treated with dignity and respect but they may be actually love the country that they came for ... so we know for example ... nineteenth early twentieth century half of Italian immigrants to this country ... needs only one call ... the same sort of thing would happen with Mexicans another absolutely if half the people didn't come to an expedited process ... why would imply about what is everybody assumed ... that I mean look we all love our country and in so we is naturally assume everybody else does ... but people come for differ reasons people come motivated to provide for their families ... to take care of their their children ... to make sure that their life is better than the one that they had ... in the break their backs doing ... the work hard and we should shows a will but more respect in and have a little deeper appreciation for what their motives are ... and I think I think that would help them to bake one of the ... semi ... finals ... but when we speak like that may be the ones and to stay ... maybe they'll bill embrace conservative principles ... and believe in individual achievement because they're doing in each and every day ... are acting on ... conservative principles living on even know that they're conservative ... second thought ... couple question is the first with Daniel Patrick Moynihan nineteen sixty five famous report entitled the Negro family ... the case for national action ... according ... to an end ... the fundamental problem is that a family structure ... the family in the urban ghettos is crumbling the middle class group has managed to save itself but for vast numbers of the unskilled in poorly educated ... the fabric of conventional social work relationships has all but disintegrated ... so long as the situation persists ... the cycle of poverty and disadvantage will continue to repeat itself ... Moynihan wrote them sixty five ... when the legitimacy rate among African Americans was twenty five percent ... today the legitimacy rate among white Americans is thirty six percent ... among Hispanics is over fifty percent ... and among African Americans is over seventy percent ... Governor education ... economic growth ... what does ... any of the matter ... the kids are going to be released ... in fragmented ... difficult chaotic social situations ... and the American family continues to disintegrate ... is it is our great challenge of ... last year I will ... read a book by Charles Merck Co coming apart this just all turned my thinking about this can accelerated my thinking ... about the study ... he is um ... he's a pessimist about the future because of the CBD concludes there's really not much ... we can do about it ... hope and pray is wrong and I think ... its return of us to figure out a new line which the whole aisles for ... people to advocate wholesome loving family life as the most powerful political ... institution in American ... society ... when we've struggled with this ... I know I struggle with ... because if the lessee want to be called is ... judging them or cholera or or ... or anti this and that is only already have labeled so that the knee-jerk reaction against having this conversation I think it creates a barrier for ... for conservatives ... but we need to figure out how ... to ... address this ... and ... and ... the challenge of course is that as you know is ... this ... concern is we don't believe that ... governments the answer ... government can fill potholes can fill the elements of the park I mean you cannot expect ... the government to five point plan through the federal government to deal with the disruption of ... of wholesome loving family life ... at the same time you have to be respectful effect that there are a lot of single moms and struggled mightily and successfully in bringing their children ... into them into the world and do so successfully so ... this is work in progress for me ... but I know it's hugely important ... than to ignore it ... um ... you know all the rest of policy just doesn't work without dealing with this is well ... you're married to a woman who grew up in Mexico ... he served as its governor to stay with the big Hispanic population ... as you know can immigration wars ... today in more than half the population of Miami ... not just ... not to spend more than half the population Miami born outside outside the United States ... and some basic level ... I didn't ... get the feeling that the project of jumbo ... is to say to Republicans that ... in some way relate to ... what America ... to folks who were ... raised the way ... you a race to ... wait ... Anglo Saxon Protestant ... look ... I've seen the future of this country and Florida ... relax folks this is gonna work out fine ... is the isthe is this something to that there is there's a lot of truth to that because of ... the immigrant experience of my hometown which is shaped lot of thinking is no denying that ... does lead me to believe that the world's not coming to an end infected to be a pretty cool place so ... I think that's actually right now one of the things it's missing ... in the book talks about this as a key point ... and in the debates in Washington about immigration is the need to ... immigration works when there's a set of shared values that we all embrace ... and I'm not sure today in America ... we we would if we ... created a gigantic town hall meeting with three hundred and twenty million people ... that we can reach a consensus about what the shared values would be a ... hundred years ago we probably could of ... fifty years perhaps ... not sure we could today and we need it we need to have a conversation ... because without that ... then immigration can ... create kind of a tower of Babel effect if you will rather than ... the aspirational nature of immigration being positive so ... one of things that we propose I think is a key element of ... a successful American going forward is a revitalized focus on civic Ajit in civic education and respect for constitutional understanding of our history ... and a conversation about what the share value should be ... less cost ... you have a grandchild ... yes ... you're a successful businessman you've done your time and then some ... in public life ... Europe sixty years old and a few months ... looking to add ... in our ... area ... love ... love my country a love ... when I've loved one had a chance to serve our love ... of ... trying to help people ... be big and bold and in the middle of policy it's a ... it's a great intersection for me ... in so ... I am passion about the stock still and I see the ... you know ... you can either say we're a heap of trouble lies will just check out ... lucky for doing that today is going and it's kind of disturbing to me or you can say when he put trouble but ... what a missed opportunity ... to fix the things that need to be fixed to create ... the next American century ... I would prefer to be ... fighting this fight rather than ... harping on the sidelines ... I like this is the last quarter ... and you have to forgive me for this one because this is just a mandatory I can not ask ... twenty sixteen again run for president ... I'm not to think about ... running for president until probably next year ... and of them I'll think about it ... and I will think about in the fall when we're isn't right for my families are right for me ... to have softened offer ... in in the politics of it and so um I can make a decision but I know when to make it stop now ... Jim pushed former governor of Florida and coauthor of immigration wars thank you thanks Peter ... for the Hoover institution in The Wall Street Journal ... on Peter Robinson ... the the the the ... I ... I ...