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Can anyone list the games that were revealed during the Sony conference? And did Vita get any?

Because Kingdom Hearts 3 and FFXV do NOTHING for me.

Sony really landed a death blow on Microsoft with that pricing though hahahaha.

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So far, Sony has won E3 with Versus XIII/XV/whatever and the long-awaited Kingdom Hearts 3. It's gonna take Nintendo a lot of hype to exceed the same levels of Square's game for the PS4 (maybe revealing Ridley for the SSB4 trailer should do?).

It's all tastes but no matter how you look at it, Smash and 3D Mario are bigger than Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. The only difference was that 3D Mario and Smash 4 were announced in advance.

Personally, when it comes to the games, Nintendo has this one in the bag just with the line up we already know, but I still don't know Sony's one.

I'm still catching up on PS4 info as I couldn't watch the conference due to time.

From what I gather so far it wins though. £79 cheaper, FFXV (should still be called Vs.XIII but oh well), job done.

That said I don't think there's enough on either console to actually warrant my money on release or the Christmas which will quickly follow release. My 360 will probably stick around for a good while yet.

I'm so surprised at the people praising Sony's presentation. In terms of games, even Microsoft had a much better showing, and they actually made me think about next gen. Sony was super underwhelming in that department.

But nope, because they announced the lack of a DRM, their presentation is suddenly the best ever. It's so sad we're seeing people getting sooo excited about it, to the point they forget about the other anti-consumer policy they're bringing in, a paywall for online. (Microsoft had it before, sure, and there's no defending it, or this.)

If no DRM is what people wanted, might as well look into the Wii U.

EDIT: Let's not forget how the PS3 had a better showing than the Vita.

I'm so surprised at the people praising Sony's presentation. In terms of games, even Microsoft had a much better showing, and they actually made me think about next gen. Sony was super underwhelming in that department.

But nope, because they announced the lack of a DRM, their presentation is suddenly the best ever. It's so sad we're seeing people getting sooo excited about it, to the point they forget about the other anti-consumer policy they're bringing in, a paywall for online. (Microsoft had it before, sure, and there's no defending it, or this.)

Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV was pretty much all they needed to win, that was pretty much their "if anything goes wrong, we'll still win" button; nothing could have lessened such an announcement. Then, of course, there was Destiny, to appeal to the non-KH/FF crowds, as well as Beyond Two Souls, Second Son, Annual Ass Creed, Tearaway, ESO (if I recall) and...well...the Xbone's expense. They were pretty much guaranteed fanfare, they showed pretty much everything most crowds of gamers would have wanted.

It's harsh to say Nintendo did the weakest as they don't have a new console on the way so they don't have a similar aim to Microsoft and Sony.

That said I'm not really defending Nintendo, the Wii U deserves to do terrible because of its technological inferiority and poor marketing, I really have no idea what they were thinking with the Wii U really unless they thought that the 360 and PS3 wouldn't be replaced for a few years. The 3DS has a lot of good things ahead now though.

That said I'm not really defending Nintendo, the Wii U deserves to do terrible because of its technological inferiority and poor marketing, I really have no idea what they were thinking with the Wii U really unless they thought that the 360 and PS3 wouldn't be replaced for a few years. The 3DS has a lot of good things ahead now though.

Is that really fair? The 3DS, DS, and Wii were (and are) all inferior to their competition by quite a bit, but they did so well that they all practically left their competition in the dust. The Wii U's problem is the exact same problem that plagued the Gamecube: low 3rd party support (though, ironically, Gamecube was the strongest system of its generation, iirc). It doesn't have a library and it has no foreseeable library. I don't think it deserves to do badly because it's weaker, that wouldn't be fair, but I think that they'll need to make some quick and drastic moves/changes if things don't turn around soon for the Wii U.

I did like Nintendo's presentation, but at the same time, I just expected more from Nintendo. I mean, sure, there were a list of video games that they've announced to fit in their Wii U console, but then again, someone might ask, why should I buy the Wii U? Granted, games like the new DKC and the new Wind Waker remake looks good, but, I just have this sensation that Nintendo isn't telling us everything. Like... from a perspective, sure these games are great, but, what sets them apart from the other ports on the 3DS, or other games from that matter?

Well the game looked interesting, such that I actually wish I could play some of them, though not enough to buy an Xbox One.

I found it odd that KH 3 wasn't announced as an exclusive as thus far it's only been exclusive to one platform for every game. However if that's true it'll be nice for those who own a different console as that's one of it's biggest criticisms, to play the series one must have a thousand consoles, and from different publishers too.

Also Nintendo itself didn't introduce much new stuff either...
This is a strange position for me as Nintendo is my favorite of the three...however I won't be blind to admit their lost.

It's more about when it happened rather than the status of the product to the masses, and its all about the approval ratings to the company (which will definitely come back to aid Sony (and SE) in the future). It's because it happened at Sony's that people are so ecstatic, and that's what Sony wanted. It certainly worked out for them.

Though Kingdom Hearts will probably be exclusive. None of the KH titles have ever been on a non-Sony home console (though they're fair game with the portables). Final Fantasy will also probably be Sony exclusive, since the only FF to date (not counting remakes or the Nintendo days of yore) to ever go multiplat was the XIII trilogy, with XIV being PC/PS3.

Is that really fair? The 3DS, DS, and Wii were (and are) all inferior to their competition by quite a bit, but they did so well that they all practically left their competition in the dust. The Wii U's problem is the exact same problem that plagued the Gamecube: low 3rd party support (though, ironically, Gamecube was the strongest system of its generation, iirc). It doesn't have a library and it has no foreseeable library. I don't think it deserves to do badly because it's weaker, that wouldn't be fair, but I think that they'll need to make some quick and drastic moves/changes if things don't turn around soon for the Wii U.

It depends on your perspective really, but from my eyes Nintendo decided 'oh lets make this giant controller to fight the tablets' instead of actually fighting the other home consoles by making the Wii U's specs competitive for next gen, instead they seem more matched to competition with the 360 and the PS3. Therefore you could argue the lack of 3rd party support is justified as developers don't want to waste time on less powerful console. Their game will also be probably be less successful on Wii U due to the larger casual audience.

By putting the Wii U out there so early they basically have restricted themselves to using Mario alone to sell consoles. I suppose for many on here the Wii U is their perfect console, but for a wide amount of the gaming audience it's pretty poor.

It depends on your perspective really, but from my eyes Nintendo decided 'oh lets make this giant controller to fight the tablets' instead of actually fighting the other home consoles by making the Wii U's specs competitive for next gen, instead they seem more matched to competition with the 360 and the PS3. Therefore you could argue the lack of 3rd party support is justified as developers don't want to waste time on less powerful console. Their game will also be probably be less successful on Wii U due to the larger casual audience.

By putting the Wii U out there so early they basically have restricted themselves to using Mario alone to sell consoles. I suppose for many on here the Wii U is their perfect console, but for a wide amount of the gaming audience it's pretty poor.

I blame the overly ambitious innovation. Unlike the touch screen or motion control, this console hinges on something that most devs don't want to work with and don't even see catching on. Honestly, I wish that they had gone more traditional, 'cause heck, the tablet even scares me away. The only thing that really attracts me to the Wii U is X which, funnily enough, probably won't hinge on the tablet.

But I think this is the kick in the pants that Nintendo needs for 9th gen. They will change their game, they have to. I can't see things doing a 180 any time soon, if at all, and I actually think it to be better for them to do badly with this one because they do have the potential for high sales and popularity, as past generations have shown.

I blame the overly ambitious innovation. Unlike the touch screen or motion control, this console hinges on something that most devs don't want to work with and don't even see catching on. Honestly, I wish that they had gone more traditional, 'cause heck, the tablet even scares me away. The only thing that really attracts me to the Wii U is X which, funnily enough, probably won't hinge on the tablet.

But I think this is the kick in the pants that Nintendo needs for 9th gen. They will change their game, they have to. I can't see things doing a 180 any time soon, if at all, and I actually think it to be better for them to do badly with this one because they do have the potential for high sales and popularity, as past generations have shown.

I completely agree, nothing would please me more than to see Nintendo bring out a real challenger when we get to the next round of consoles. Also if they do go down the same route again with their Wii U follow up I really hope they drop the 'Wii' from the title. For a lot of people who are perhaps less educated in the gaming world, it seems as if the Wii U is like an edition of the Wii rather than a whole new console in its own right. The lack of marketing for the console hasn't really helped Nintendo's cause with that issue either.

Also I'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but did anyone catch the Destiny trailer? I'm pretty disappointed in Bungie, they really seem to have followed the Halo route all over again. Would it have killed them to have come up with a new concept?

Edit: Omg just realised a new SW Battlefront was announced, oh life is good again.

I don't see how people say Sony was weak in terms of games. The whole conference was two hours of rapid-fire game trailers, announcements, and demos. We had trailers leading into trailers, with hardly any pause in-between. Microsoft showed a lot of games, yeah, but I honestly think Sony showed more, and Sony definitely had more variety. Not only that, but for those concerned with graphics, PS4 games look a hell of a lot better than the Xbone footage we saw.

And Nintendo was seriously disappointing. Two HD 3DS rehashes (so much for a proper 3D Mario) and Retro's big new project is...another Donkey Kong Country. Wii U is going to have another weak holiday without a real system-seller (a ten-year-old game port and another practically-2D Mario are not system sellers) and I don't really see how Nintendo is going to turn things around, especially if they insist on staying at $349.

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