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Spreewerke wrote:That said, there are a couple of things that aren't acceptable answers, unless you fit very specific criteria. The most obvious of these is that the 'AK-47' is not an acceptable answer. If you have a problem with that, feel free to talk to me about it. Why isn't that an acceptable answer, though? Spoiler time!

No, seriously, read this:

The AK-47 was designed in 1946 and formally adopted by the Soviet military in 1949. There were four models used between 1947 and 1959: The AK-47 was the test and trials designation for the rifle: the earlier prototypes, made in 1946, were referred to as the AK-1 and AK-2. After the adoption of the rifle, it was designated simply as the "AK". However, due to three variants of the AK being made, it is more proper to refer to these variants as the "AK Type-#" rather than just "AK" as the three variants differed quite significantly from one another. Due to that, the term "AK" has more or less become a catch-all for just about all AK variants, and does not necessarily refer to one specific model. The Type-I, adopted in late 1948, featured an early, stamped receiver, but it was quickly (and I mean quickly) replaced by the Type-II AK in 1949. This featured a milled receiver, a stock boot, and some other small, yet somewhat significant changes. The Type-III is the most common "AK-47," and it is basically just a milled predecessor of the rifle you should be using. What rifle is that?

Enter the AKM.

The AKM is the modernized version of the Type-III assault rifle. It utilizes a stamped receiver, reinforced receiver cover, slanted muzzle brake, vented gas block, and a rear sight leaf showing distances of 100m to 1,000m among other things. In reality, it is only acceptably accurate out to 300m on a good day. The AKM is the most widespread AK variant in the world. Almost every foreign-made AK (Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish, etc) variant in the world is based off of the AKM. Why? It's more reliable and just as accurate as the original AKs, not to mention much cheaper to produce. It is the Kalashnikov rifle. They come in a variety of, well, variants, which include models with forward, wooden grips, underfolding MP40-style stocks, side-folding wire stocks, and, of course, fixed, wooden stocks. They fire the 7.62x39mm cartridge. Folding-stocked AKMs are designated as AKMS.

The AKMN is the most useful of the AKMs, however, as it utilizes the famous Russian optics rail on the receiver. This allows the user to attach a variety of slide-on optics that do not lose zero and, sometimes, co-witness or, most usually, sit above the iron sights so one may choose which sighting system to use. If I recommend any "old", AKM variant, it is most usually the AKMN. It is the most multi-purpose AKM variant there is, and that optics rail is wonderful. It can serve as a mount for red dot optics and magnified optics alike (night vision, too!).

Let's say you've advanced beyond the AKM, though, and are looking for some more "modern" AKs. This is where the AK-74 and its variants come into play. The AK-74 was adopted in 1974 and it was Russia's answer to the M16 family. Its 5.45x39mm round is kind of a "me, too!" round as they wished to copy the American 5.56NATO cartridge. However, in their drunken stupor, the Russians managed to make a much more effective round. The 5.45x39mm round is very unstable after coming in contact with any kind of obstruction. This limits its penetration quite a bit, but the tissue damage it inflicts is unparalleled. The AK-74 family really tears up soft targets.

Even more modern still is the AK-100-series of AKs. The AK-101 and AK-102 are 5.56x45mm NATO variants of the AK. They're basically a re-chambered AK-74M. The AK-103 and AK-104 are the new, modern 7.62x39mm variants of the AK. I, in all honesty, believe these are the most superior models of the AK family. Stick to the AK-74M, AK-101, or AK-103 for your full-sized AK rifles (or AK-107, AK-108, or AK-109 if you wish to utilize the BARS anti-recoil dual-piston assembly). For carbines, the AK-102, AK-104, and AK-105 are your answers. Shorter still is the AKS-74u. However, if you're looking for a more modern variant, the AK-12 is still undergoing its testing stages, but there is fair potential it will be adopted for use at some time in the near future. Though I discourage its use due to its lack of true production during 2012, within a few years it will probably be a perfectly acceptable answer: models are supposedly supposed to be imported in 2013 in semi-automatic form to the United States. So, I suppose you could either be a nation from 2012+ or a nation that is using an alternate history in which the AK-12 was adopted earlier. Either way, if you're using weapons from 2012 or onwards, it should be perfectly acceptable, and it is being offered in multiple calibers (5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, 12 Gauge, and there is talk of 6.5 Grendel variants).

So, basically, what are you planning on doing with your military? Here's a list of actual "WE USE TEH AK-15 WIHT BULLETGLOCKS" models that are, well, acceptable for the listed roles in the AK family, and I've went ahead and separated them by general effective range.

Now that you've decided which model it is that you're actually going to use, it's time to decide on a caliber and an optic. What's the best caliber? Well, I'll talk in terms of the assault rifles/carbines as the longer-range weapons are really a freedom of choice type of thing. So, we're basically down to 5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, and 7.62x39mm. Let's discuss 5.45x39mm first, shall we? Rhetorical question.

5.45x39mmOkay, so you've chosen the "me, too" cartridge. What can we expect? Well, the 5.45x39mm round is capable of penetrating some armored vests, but not at very long ranges at all. Let's just refer to it as standard ball FMJ, regardless of type, for simplicity here. You can make your own uber-cool loads for it later. Alright, so the 5.45x39mm round is designed with a small air cavity in the front. This makes the round rear-heavy and very unstable. Upon impacting a target, it begins to tumble almost immediately. The flesh wounds caused by this round are devastating. This is probably the most lethal round to choose for an AK if going against unarmed opponents in semi-open ground (see Afghanistan invasion). The 5.45x39mm extends the AK-74's (and derivatives) range from the standard AK's 300m to about 400m. It will get about 2.0MOA accuracy, so that means 8.0MOA at that outer limit of its range: well within the chest. This round is also very light recoiling and, with the proper muzzle brake, is therefore easily controllable. There are a few AK-74 variants utilizing a recoil-countering piston (BARS), but I did not list these variants above as they are, to my understanding, very much so specialist items. Going back to wound capabilities, please note that the 5.45x39mm round is not good for penetrating barriers.Pros

Accurate (2.0MOA)

Longer effective range (400m)

Very easy to control

Devastating on flesh targets

Cons

Tumbles upon impact with obstacles (jungle warfare would be less effective)

Less barrier penetration

5.56x45mm NATOGo read a book. No, seriously: there's thousands.

7.62x39mm7.62x39mm is, in my opinion, the best round for the AK. The original M43 ammunition was lead-core FMJ through-and-through (or steel for AP). It is known for penetrating barriers and packing a good ol' .30-caliber slug in its casing. In 1967, the Yugoslavians created the M67 cartridge of 7.62x39mm. This is now the most widely used 7.62x39mm round. It features a hollowed nose cavity similar to the 5.45x39mm, but it isn't as large compared to the rest of the round. This lets it mushroom out a bit and yaw inside of flesh, but it still retains most of its barrier-penetrating capabilities. It's kind of a middle-ground cartridge, but its effective range is honestly only 300m. The recoil, while not horrible, is not preferable for sustained fully-automatic firing, but in bursts or semi-automatic fire, it should stay relatively on-target.Pros

It's freaking 7.62x39mm

Penetrates barriers easier

Retains some flesh-destroying qualities

Most common AK round -- pretty much every single country in the world has some of it somewhere

Good-sized .30-caliber hole, even with no expansion

AK-103/AK-104 accuracy of 2.0MOA

Cons

More felt recoil

More noticeable muzzle climb

Pre-AK-100 series, accuracy of ~3.5MOA

Of course, there are some AKs that fire 6.8SPC, 7.62x51mm NATO, 7.92x57mm IS, 7.62x54mmR, et cetera, et cetera, but those are pretty much specialty weapons and, therefore, not truly "main military weapons" unless you are issuing battle rifle equivalents as standard-issue.

As for optics, unless you're wanting to issue a quasi-DMR in each squad (POSP or PSO is highly recommended) or perhaps an ACOG (or similar) on a Beryl/Krebs/TWI Dogleg-style receiver cover rail. As for standard infantry use, however, stick to red-dot optics or other no-magnification optics. These can be had via Russian Kobra, PK-A, PK-AS, 1P63 Obzor, anything else on this site or, if you're feeling Western and pig-doggish, you can utilize a quad-rail/gas tube rail/etc. and put a small red dot (like an AimPoint of some kind: EOTechs would be too tall) on that top rail. If it sits low enough, it should co-witness with the iron sights, giving you a back-up sighting system in the event your red dot optic is damaged/destroyed/dead/otherwise unusable. So, yeah, you can say you use the AK-47, but unless you fall within that time frame of pre-AK production Russia, then fuck you.

Have a nice day.

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Federal Firearms Incorporation of the Independent Nation of the Republic of Lanos is proud to present its finest assault rifle it has created for service for the Lanos Armed Forces: The M31 Standard Combat Assault Rifle. The M31 SCAR was created in 2011 as a suitable replacement for the M4A1 Carbine and the M16A3D rifle chambered in 6.8mm SPC. The rifle has a 14" barrel suited for 6.8mm SPC and similar calibers and weighs 7 lb. It accepts a standard M9 bayonet with its lug and can also accept the Lanosian 10" M12 bayonet or bayonets designed for larger caliber rifles and even AK-series bayonets with a correct adapter (the rifle can be manufactured with a different lug if requested). The M31 SCAR has also served as a basis for the M32 Standard Combat Battle Rifle chambered in 8x57mm IS and even light machine gun dual feed variants (M68 and M69 Machine Guns). Such variants can be ordered separately and existing M31s and M32s can be quickly converted to M68s and M69s by switching their upper receivers. The rifle features multiple rails and can attach multiple accessories such as optics, flashlights, grenade launchers and shotguns, and other accessories. The rifle can be ordered with shortened barrels but this is not a standard feature. The rifle has a ambidextrous fire selector switch, non-reciprocating charging handle and forward assist, magazine release, and bolt catch. The stock is adjustable and can be folded back into the rifle and the stock catch acts as a brass deflector for left-handed shooters. The barrels on the rifle has a quick-change feature that allows for sustained fire if using large-capacity magazines or prolonged automatic fire use. Using a special alloy, the sustained rate of fire is now 50 rounds per minute with cyclic rate of fire at 625 rounds per minute.

The EM1 was an experimental British rifle developed in the late 1940s, and was definitely the high-tech wonder rifle of its day. It was a bullpup-style design before that was a trend, and used a roller locking action take right from the fancy German arms captured during and after WWII. It was not adopted, losing out at the time to the visually similar and mechanically different EM2 rifle, which then fortunately lost out the the FAL. Field stripping the EM1 (and EM2 for that matter) is not a huge task, but disassembling the bolt is an absolute nightmare in anything resembling combat. Doing it on a clean workbench is tricky enough.

We bought the design and made are own version which is a copy but served well, the designation for the Teccon modal was AAR-2. We made are version with improved bolt and cleaning measures so the infantryman will not m=waste more time off of up keep of the AAR-2.

The EM1 was chambered for the .280/30 cartridge (also known as .280 Enfield), which was a capable intermediate cartridge, and made the rifle controllable both in semiauto and fullauto firing (especially when using the optional bipod). One interesting element noted in the EM1 manual was the inclusion of a built-in stripper clip guide in each magazine:

Most of our reserves are supplied with surplus mosin-nagants, AKMs, RPKs, AKS-74us and Dragunov SVD sniper rifles with wooden stocks and whatnot. Older RPG-7 models are currently in use.

Most of our marines are equipped with AK-74Ms, AK-105s, RPK-74Ms and Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot. AK-12s are being tested for the marines. RPG-7V2s are also in service.

This also applies to parts of our army and to all of our special forces units, though most of the army is equipped with AK-103s, AK-104s, some AKMs, Pecheneg machine guns, Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot, and RPG-7V2s are also in service.

The pilots in our airforce prefer to use the AKS-74u, which they usually have included in their survival equipment.

Our navy uses the AK-104 and Bizon SMG to defend our ships, and Dragunov SVDs for long range battles.

Torrocca wrote:Most of our reserves are supplied with surplus mosin-nagants, AKMs, RPKs, AKS-74us and Dragunov SVD sniper rifles with wooden stocks and whatnot. Older RPG-7 models are currently in use.

Most of our marines are equipped with AK-74Ms, AK-105s, RPK-74Ms and Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot. AK-12s are being tested for the marines. RPG-7V2s are also in service.

This also applies to parts of our army and to all of our special forces units, though most of the army is equipped with AK-103s, AK-104s, some AKMs, Pecheneg machine guns, Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot, and RPG-7V2s are also in service.

The pilots in our airforce prefer to use the AKS-74u, which they usually have included in their survival equipment.

Our navy uses the AK-104 and Bizon SMG to defend our ships, and Dragunov SVDs for long range battles.

I really need to make my own weapons.

This is actually not half bad.

I suggest SpreeKs though, they are like the Russians, but obv. better.

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I've got a question regarding the use of explosive weapons by my infantry. I'm thinking of issuing unguided rocket weapons on a larger scale for both anti-personnel and anti-armor purposes (since rockets provide a brilliant way to suppress enemy infantry); the idea essentially goes along with deployment tactics for RPGs. It needs to be a light-ish weapon with decent characteristics in terms of explosive power. It's really going to be used as an assault weapon by infantry platoons.

I was thinking the SMAW is a good idea, or maybe the FGM-172B SRAW-MPV. Any other/better ideas?

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Torrocca wrote:Most of our reserves are supplied with surplus mosin-nagants, AKMs, RPKs, AKS-74us and Dragunov SVD sniper rifles with wooden stocks and whatnot. Older RPG-7 models are currently in use.

Most of our marines are equipped with AK-74Ms, AK-105s, RPK-74Ms and Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot. AK-12s are being tested for the marines. RPG-7V2s are also in service.

This also applies to parts of our army and to all of our special forces units, though most of the army is equipped with AK-103s, AK-104s, some AKMs, Pecheneg machine guns, Dragunov SVDs with plastic stocks and whatnot, and RPG-7V2s are also in service.

The pilots in our airforce prefer to use the AKS-74u, which they usually have included in their survival equipment.

Our navy uses the AK-104 and Bizon SMG to defend our ships, and Dragunov SVDs for long range battles.

I really need to make my own weapons.

This is actually not half bad.

I suggest SpreeKs though, they are like the Russians, but obv. better.

nooo

we like our weapons to be Russian-made only

that way we can share magazines with soldiers when someone using the same weapon or variation of said weapon runs out of ammo