Magically speaking, there are quite a few methods I have been unable to get results from. That doesn't mean they don't work. That just means I can't get them to work. There's nothing wrong with saying that and moving on to what does work for you.

My date tonight (si, la Calavera!) is more than adequate for me to believe there's something at work with NAP. And what I've read from others suggests that NAP is working for some people. What I'm wondering is how many of the people getting positive results are doing things exactly by the book?

"By the way, I like your wizard: instead of making all the wealthiest women in love with himself, and getting thousands out of them, he condescends to pick up £15 by rendering Glaucias irresistible."-Tychiades in Lucian's "The Liar"

When i first picked up NAP some weeks ago, I read the book and began to start the ritual work with an open mind, given that over the years i have worked with various Finbarr titles and other works with varying degree of success.

So far i have experienced some small successes with the money and success ritual work and the pendulum work is very much an extension of work that i already do so i expected that to be successful and of course natural progression from that moves into other types of communication with the spirits you work with.

Some rituals in the book have not yet brought results, however as my goals are more 'long term" i do not expect to see anything from those workings for some weeks.

You want something without having to work for it. That's not "judgement" (cos who the hell wouldn't want that! lol) but just restating it in the way it is likely to be seen in the greater scheme of things.

I'll tell you this now. Angelic spirits know that is not how to maintain balance within their office or "piece of the garden they maintain" so to speak. If what you ask for would throw a spanner in the works and cause chaos the answer will likely be no.

The opposite seems to be true when we employ the same spirits to help us work towards the same kinds of goals(or freeing up money owed to you that has not been forthcoming)...then they are helping you in your efforts, teaching you along the way rather than teaching you nothing by acting like your personal money handout center.

Sure...you can force a spirit to do shit...even angels (I can't...but it can be done) but generally speaking the subset of spirits likely to give you what you ask (sometimes)for regardless of consequences, are not in that book.

Also consider the powers of your own being. Many spirits can not help you past the extent of these things in yourself. Not without a significant consequence. The key is to learn how to amass wealth with the powers of your being. Some people can be given a car if they need it with little more than a candle, but if they try and do a spell for a twenty dollar bill, they can never seem to get a successful result.

Also, never ever forget, magic will not remove every obstacle from your life, it will hopefully be a key to accomplishing ordeals and a means to make you learn lessons easier to not have to keep revisiting them ... A magician in their oaths consents to experience every element of the human condition,.. Bear them all with joy and purpose.wealth or poverty, labor or luxury, bliss or anguish. Not matter how good or how bad, this too will come to pass.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHVH do all these things.

raum215 wrote:Also, never ever forget, magic will not remove every obstacle from your life, it will hopefully be a key to accomplishing ordeals and a means to make you learn lessons easier to not have to keep revisiting them ... A magician in their oaths consents to experience every element of the human condition,.. Bear them all with joy and purpose.wealth or poverty, labor or luxury, bliss or anguish. Not matter how good or how bad, this too will come to pass.

You know, that's the distilled or shortened essence of part of my earlier Saturnine work.