All these polls are meaningless. Anything for publicity. The only poll that counts is the vote on Election Day. Hopefully by than Trump will be way ahead of the Wicked Witch of Wall Street and all her lowlife, scumbag supporters.

roadbikeRob saidAll these polls are meaningless. Anything for publicity. The only poll that counts is the vote on Election Day. Hopefully by than Trump will be way ahead of the Wicked Witch of Wall Street and all her lowlife, scumbag supporters.

This was the same argument we heard the Romney camp. You can deny it and go all flat earth society but the reality is that polling over time does give us insight.

roadbikeRob saidAll these polls are meaningless. Anything for publicity. The only poll that counts is the vote on Election Day. Hopefully by than Trump will be way ahead of the Wicked Witch of Wall Street and all her lowlife, scumbag supporters.

This was the same argument we heard the Romney camp. You can deny it and go all flat earth society but the reality is that polling over time does give us insight.

Yep, the same argument we heard on RJ during the last 2 Presidential races. Obama was losing terribly in the polls, first to McCain and then to Romney. And only the Republican-leaning polls had value, anything that showed Obama with an advantage was "meaningless".

Quick to promote any poll that gives Trump a lead (or at this point, less of a crushing disadvantage), and quick to dismiss any polls that show Clinton ahead. We've seen that game played by Republicans here before, and we can expect to see it again & again from now until November.

The polls will go up and down until the day of the general election. No one can predict how the numbers will look like tomorrow, next week, next month. What we can predict, based on what has happened in the past, is that Trump will be unpredictable and undisciplined.

DOMINUS saidThe polls will go up and down until the day of the general election. No one can predict how the numbers will look like tomorrow, next week, next month. What we can predict, based on what has happened in the past, is that Trump will be unpredictable and undisciplined.

What is interesting is why the race is half way close at all. If Hillary is so wonderful and Trump is so crazy why is this?

- pissed off Bernie fans due to a corrupt DNC- truth challenged Hillary, an endless scandal list- "lost/deleted" emails from the hillbilly server in Chappaqua- blackmail material- Establishment fatigue. Trump is our Brexit and the 1% view him as a threat to their wealth and power.- When the great unwashed masses are warned not to vote Trump... guess what?

I'm waiting for George Soros to weigh in and tell the US electorate not to vote for Trump. That would give him a 10% bump in the polls. That worked out really well for him before Brexit.

And now Obama is pronouncing Trump incapable. wtf- Obama can say this? The owner of our 1% GDP? haha. That's good for a few points in the Trump column too.I know Hillary is scaring the crap out of him. He knows she is vulnerable.

Oh yeah and there's those pesky Wikileaks out there that will be released at just the right time. We all know Assange is out to get her.

DOMINUS saidThe polls will go up and down until the day of the general election. No one can predict how the numbers will look like tomorrow, next week, next month. What we can predict, based on what has happened in the past, is that Trump will be unpredictable and undisciplined.

What is interesting is why the race is half way close at all. If Hillary is so wonderful and Trump is so crazy why is this?

- pissed off Bernie fans due to a corrupt DNC- truth challenged Hillary, an endless scandal list- "lost/deleted" emails from the hillbilly server in Chappaqua- blackmail material- Establishment fatigue. Trump is our Brexit and the 1% view him as a threat to their wealth and power.- When the great unwashed masses are warned not to vote Trump... guess what?

I'm waiting for George Soros to weigh in and tell the US electorate not to vote for Trump. That would give him a 10% bump in the polls. That worked out really well for him before Brexit.

And now Obama is pronouncing Trump incapable. wtf- Obama can say this? The owner of our 1% GDP? haha. That's good for a few points in the Trump column too.I know Hillary is scaring the crap out of him. He knows she is vulnerable.

Oh yeah and there's those pesky Wikileaks out there that will be released at just the right time. We all know Assange is out to get her.

I would love to see the data you have to back any of your claims.

The race isn't close. If you look at he polling for the last year Clinton has consistently beat Trump. Over twelve months Trump has only managed to pull even with or beat Clinton at for points and wasn't able to sustain it for more than a few days at a time. People have consistently rejected Trump in favor or Clinton. There is certainly time between now and November for people's minds to change but it would have to be a pretty stunning revelation.

Donald Trump’s poll numbers are so bad his supporters are making up new ones

The polls don’t look good at all for Donald Trump right now. The RealClearPolitics average of the polls has Hillary Clinton up by 6.7 points. The Huffington Post Pollster has Clinton up by 7.4 points. The New York Times gives Clinton an 80 percent chance of winning the election, and FiveThirtyEight gives her an 81.7 percent chance.

In the face of all this bad news, some Trump supporters have taken it upon themselves to, essentially, make up poll numbers that look favorable for Trump. This is Long Room, the website dedicated to changing poll numbers so they’re "unbiased".

This isn’t the first time something like this has happened. Back in 2012, when the poll averages showed President Barack Obama ahead of Republican candidate Mitt Romney, conservative activist Dean Chambers started the now-defunct UnskewedPolls.com to "unskew" polls in Romney’s direction. But it turned out that the polling averages were right, and Obama won the election. (Chambers later said he was only wrong because he didn’t account for voter fraud — even though voter fraud is vanishingly rare.)

At the same time, the deciding factor is the obsolete 18th-Century US Electoral College. Which gave the 2000 election to GW Bush, even though Al Gore had approx. 500,000 more popular votes nationwide than Bush.

But with a controversial decision from a Republican-dominated US Supreme Court, and the collusion of brother Jeb Bush as Governor of Florida, that State's electoral votes were awarded to Bush. Deciding the election.

More people may again vote for the Democrat, but a Republican may be declared the winner. Electoral votes define the Republican strategy. But even that isn't looking good at the moment for Trump.

Hillary Clinton has emerged from the two major party conventions and their aftermath with an eight-point lead over Donald Trump, aided by a consolidation of support among Democrats and a failure so far by Republicans to rally equally behind their nominee, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The Canadians aren't buying it. Time for Obama to roll out the story Michelle bought a lot of Persian rugs from the ayatollah to redecorate the White House and they had to pay $400 million to get delivery.

"Clinton has trained at the dojo of the great sensei himself, the Houdini of equivocation and denial, Bill Clinton. " - Rex Murphy

desertmuscl saidThe Canadians aren't buying it. Time for Obama to roll out the story Michelle bought a lot of Persian rugs from the ayatollah to redecorate the White House and they had to pay $400 million to get delivery.

"Clinton has trained at the dojo of the great sensei himself, the Houdini of equivocation and denial, Bill Clinton. " - Rex Murphy

The Fake Polls & Creating PerceptionIf you are Hillary Clinton and your message is failing, almost no one is attending your rallies and your health precludes you from making public appearances often or doing real press conferences, how do you create the impression that you’re winning?

2BFree saidThe Fake Polls & Creating PerceptionIf you are Hillary Clinton and your message is failing, almost no one is attending your rallies and your health precludes you from making public appearances often or doing real press conferences, how do you create the impression that you’re winning?

Not sure about Clinton's memory, but you've clearly forgotten why you started this thread ("oops - Clinton's Lead Over Trump Narrows To Less Than 3 Points -Reuters/Ipsos Poll"). Now that Clinton is way ahead in the polls, suddenly they're fake?

2BFree saidThe Fake Polls & Creating PerceptionIf you are Hillary Clinton and your message is failing, almost no one is attending your rallies and your health precludes you from making public appearances often or doing real press conferences, how do you create the impression that you’re winning?

Not sure about Clinton's memory, but you've clearly forgotten why you started this thread ("oops - Clinton's Lead Over Trump Narrows To Less Than 3 Points -Reuters/Ipsos Poll"). Now that Clinton is way ahead in the polls, suddenly they're fake?

Ex_Mil8 saidNow that Clinton is way ahead in the polls, suddenly they're fake?

As I've mentioned here before, we saw the same Republican propaganda in the last 2 Presidential elections. And as eagerly reported on RJ by the Republicans. Turns out the Election Day results were even MORE in Obama's favor than the polls had indicated. But of course if the number do indicate a legitimate Trump lead at some point (gawd forbid) then suddenly these same polls will be miraculously declared absolute Gospel and unassailable.

Well, here's an interesting article that says the same thing as I have:

...People, though, should stick to reality. Right now, Clinton is leading in almost every single national poll. She leads in both our polls-plus and polls-only forecasts. That doesn’t mean she will win. The polls have been off before, but no one knows by how much beforehand, or in which direction they’ll miss. For all their imperfection, the polls are a far better indicator than the conspiracy theories made up to convince people that Trump is ahead.

The piece also debunks the claim that pollsters are undercounting Republicans to favor Democratic voters. The truth is, in much of the country there ARE more registered Democrats, plus those who identify themselves to pollers as Democrats. As the article also states:

...And it’s not crazy to think Democrats will have an advantage in party [self-] identification in 2016. With a controversial nominee, many Republicans might not want to identify with the GOP, and may be calling themselves independents.