Re: Intel releases 8th Gen Core U-Series processors

It can be argued that innovation has stalled in the desktop space, yet it is alive and kicking in the notebook arena.

It can also be argued that a certain company might be feeling the heat in other arenas so is having to release some of the innovations it's had parked on the shelf for the last 5 years while lumbering people with hamstrung tech to try and force sales of their more powerful chips. Were it not for AMD's recent strides I wouldn't mind betting these U-series chips would be dual core again.

As an XPS13 owner with a hamstrung i7 "premium" cpu - I'll hold my breath regarding any performance boasts until I see the thermals and throttling behaviour in independent tests of retail consumer units. Don't care what the headline values are if it throttles to the point of uselessness

Re: Intel releases 8th Gen Core U-Series processors

yes, not saying it doesn't, but for what I need to do on the move I prefer the battery life and no GPU weight or battery hit. I do heavy photo editing on a laptop a couple of times a year. I do daily commuting and basic work stuff much more often. For my needs no GPU is the better option, even if performance in the extreme case is a little bit lower. Quite often consumer mobile GPU don't qualify for full CUDA/similar support anyway.

Re: Intel releases 8th Gen Core U-Series processors

Solidworks seems to prefer intel graphics over low end nvidia cards, or at least it did when I was looking for a laptop (HD 520 vs 940MX, that was all that was available).

Also, what's the point of the i7s now? 10% extra boost clock isn't enough for intel to charge the normal i7 premium, tbh I'm quite surprised that we got hyperthreading on the i5s

Originally Posted by ik9000

It can also be argued that a certain company might be feeling the heat in other arenas so is having to release some of the innovations it's had parked on the shelf for the last 5 years while lumbering people with hamstrung tech to try and force sales of their more powerful chips. Were it not for AMD's recent strides I wouldn't mind betting these U-series chips would be dual core again.

As an XPS13 owner with a hamstrung i7 "premium" cpu - I'll hold my breath regarding any performance boasts until I see the thermals and throttling behaviour in independent tests of retail consumer units. Don't care what the headline values are if it throttles to the point of uselessness

Running sub-2GHz on all cores means it shouldn't be too hard to fit in the same thermal profile

Re: Intel releases 8th Gen Core U-Series processors

Also, what's the point of the i7s now? 10% extra boost clock isn't enough for intel to charge the normal i7 premium, tbh I'm quite surprised that we got hyperthreading on the i5s

Originally Posted by elites2012

over inflated chips. just cause it has hyper-threading, does not mean you have to jack up the prices.

I think people are as usually confusing desktop and mobile parts as mobile i5 have 'always' had HyperThreading. In fact (ignoring mobile quads which were rare until now), for mobile parts i3 / i5 / i7 has just been a matter of 'no turbo' (i3), or lower turbo speeds or less cache (i5 vs i7) but all with 2C/4T.

You're a few years out of date there, AMD's existing integrated graphics is slower than Intel's on 15W chips.

Short of the much higher power recent GPUs from AMD and nVidia it's hard to beat Intel's GPUs generally. One of the older low end dedicated GPUs like the GM108 might be a little faster in pure power terms but it's also typically less efficient and doesn't compare favourably for technology support.

You're a few years out of date there, AMD's existing integrated graphics is slower than Intel's on 15W chips.

Short of the much higher power recent GPUs from AMD and nVidia it's hard to beat Intel's GPUs generally. One of the older low end dedicated GPUs like the GM108 might be a little faster in pure power terms but it's also typically less efficient and doesn't compare favourably for technology support.

Agreed. A 15w Intel iGPU (15w iGPU not 15w SoC) will match performance with a 920-930MX which uses double the power.

Originally Posted by ik9000

Were it not for AMD's recent strides I wouldn't mind betting these U-series chips would be dual core again.

Unlikely. Leaks and rumours of 4-core U series and 6-core H series in 2017 timeframe (originally Cannonlake) were out over a year before Ryzen was even named.

Originally Posted by ik9000

As an XPS13 owner with a hamstrung i7 "premium" cpu - I'll hold my breath regarding any performance boasts until I see the thermals and throttling behaviour in independent tests of retail consumer units. Don't care what the headline values are if it throttles to the point of uselessness

No danger of that here, aside from with incompetent/lazy manufacturers who design cooling systems that fall far short of TDP. Intel chips currently have heavily overstated TDPs and rarely use more than 60-70% of the rated TDP under normal loads with all cores at 100%. Plenty of headroom to play around with, even if they'll push closer with this generation. If my 6th gen Skylake can manage 1.9Ghz on 4 cores at under 16W there'll be no issue of more efficient 8th gen chips having trouble, especially when only 10-12w is used by the cores and the rest by my non-low-power RAM.