I'm thinking about what Special Sweeper to get for my team. I'm leaning toward Gengar, and I know two other viable ones: Gardevoir and Alakazam. Non-legendaries. Are there any good spec. sweepers out there? My team is, as I plan it:

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Sat May 05, 2007 1:57 pm

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Hmm this might soung kind of stupid but its my style, add another dragon, since they have the least amount of disadvantages, and wider movesets

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Sat May 05, 2007 2:01 pm

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he said he wanted an sp sweeper. And besides why have surf if that's special.

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Sat May 05, 2007 2:04 pm

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Dragonite is a better Physical-Sweeper than a special sweeper. Plus, double weakness against Ice. I'd use it otherwise. And, apparently, It's not approved in competitive gaming, so I don't want to use it .

EDIT: Oh, and how good is Will-o-wisp? I heard of it, but it doesn't have a set damage value and I want to plan out a few things.

The fact that PorygonZ is a normal is a good thing. This means it gets stabbed Hyper beam and psychic gets rid of fighting. Nasty Plot/Calm mind for boosting it's sp atk. Thunder Bolt or Ice beam depending on the one you like.

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Sat May 05, 2007 2:23 pm

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Ehh.. Hyper Beam makes for an instant-dead sweeper. And it's not that fast. It could kill something that's slow quickly enough, but otherwise it has one shot of it - and if it doesn't kill, it's dead. Most with low spec.def commonly used are rock or ground or steel. Two shots is enough for almost anything to beat it. A sweeper needs to be faster. Psychic isn't strong enough of a move to instant-kill a fighting pokemon, and since most fighting are faster anyway, one dynamic punch or close combat would tear it apart.

Nasty Plot/Calm Mind only when you have the time, and because of the lack of healing of this pokemon, it doesn't have that time. Thunder Bolt and Ice Beam are nice, though.

Dusknoir
No, he's more of a tank/toxi-tank like thing. If anything, he'd be physical, he has horrid Sp.AtkMetagross
I'd say he'd be more of physical too, but his Sp.Atk is good enough I suppose.Lucario
I think that's your best choice here, he can learn lots of types of moves, including the ever so scarce special type fighting moves. However I'm not all too sure of his Sp.Atk stat, but I know it's at least above average.Milotic
This is more so a special sponge in my opinion, but I suppose it could side as a special sweeper, but is lacking speed, yet it's "sponginess" can make up for it (I'm looking at Omastar with a side eye)
Salamence?mebbe Aerodactyl?Good physical, not special I'd think. Probably a really good physical sweeper, in fact Some dragon-style pokemon.
{Spec. Sweeper}

Out of those, I don't think any of them are all too good. I'd go with Gengar, if he fits with your types of your team. However, Lucario would be next, then Milotic.OH GAWD!! I thought these were the things you were thinking of having as a special sweeper!@!@!@! Well, in that case, I suppose you should go with Gengar...

On a side note...

R-cubed wrote:

The fact that PorygonZ is a normal is a good thing. This means it gets stabbed Hyper beam and psychic gets rid of fighting. Nasty Plot/Calm mind for boosting it's sp atk. Thunder Bolt or Ice beam depending on the one you like.

I thought normal types don't get STAB? I was planning on asking this a while ago in another thread, but forgot. Now that I'm seeing it posted again makes me a bit more suspicious...

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Sat May 05, 2007 3:39 pm

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The five up there are my other pokemon, not viable candidates for being spec. sweepers. I know their skillz.

There you go, 6 options to have the Sp. Sweeper of your team, I think you´ll like at least one of them.

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Sat May 05, 2007 4:22 pm

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In my opinion Starmie is the best candidate to be a Spec. Sweeper if not get Kingdra

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Sat May 05, 2007 5:16 pm

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I already have a water type - Omastar, Lapras, Milotic, I'll choose later. Gorbyss has low spec. attack anyway, compared to some others - I might as well use Lucario.

Gardevoir is nice, but is somewhat slow compared to some other Spec. Sweepers.

Togekiss... I like it. I don't think I'll choose it, but it's in the top 5 Spec. Sweepers I've seen.

Mismagius is fast, but it has relatively low spec. attack, compared to pokemon like Alakazam, Gardevoir, and Gengar. And it's slower than first and third of those, anyway. And I'm planning on incorporating some of those utility moves into my Dusknoir.

Roserade... Eh... It has nice stats, but the grass type is susceptible to too many popular types - fire is practically a standard in most groups, and flying, most people have two of.

So far, I'm still debating between Alakazam and Gengar. They have better spec. attack/speed than almost all of these, as well as good move sets, though Gengar is somewhat more... exotic.

Get this Gengar
@whatever you like
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb
T-Bolt
Psychic

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Sat May 05, 2007 9:36 pm

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Well I surprisingly have never fought someone with an Alakazam so I can't comment although I've heard how good it is. What I can tell you is that my boyfriend has always used a Gengar and it's always rocked. (b^_^)b

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Sun May 06, 2007 6:35 am

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I suggest gengar with the moveset suggested. It may have 5 less base sp atk than alakazam but it covers more types and gets STAB sludge bomb and shadow ball. I'm still sad you didn't pick PorygonZ but it's your decision.

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Sun May 06, 2007 8:44 am

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I'll try Porygon-Z later, but since there's more people commenting on Gengar and praising it, and because I like Ghosts, I'll go with that for now. I may replace one of my attack sweepers with Porygon-Z later. Thanks .

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