Thought this might help our situation... ATF has finally updated their published list of laws. They now have it broken down on their online site by state. For Illinois, it includes all the updated concealed carry including the preemption that the State has preempted all handgun laws over municipality ordinances. Surprisingly it only includes at the end of the document, ordinances for Aurora and for Chicago only. As far as Chicago, it details that the firearms dealers need a license if they are using a physical location inside of Chicago. As everyone here already knows, there is no ordinance prohibiting having ammunition shipped to them in Chicago and any dealers that take the time to review this will not find any prohibition. Illinois law already allows anyone with a valid FOID to have purchased ammunition shipped to them and that is also listed in this document under 430 ILCS 65/3. It says "ANY RESIDENT" and does not distinguish anything regarding any municipality ordinances. One thing ammunition related that Chicago does prohibit is 50bmg rounds and "armor piercing" ammo. Absolutely nothing else is listed under the prohibition. Another interesting thing I saw was in regards to "high capacity" magazines under Chicago's laws. It identifies them as having over 15rd capacity. So anything that is 15rds or less are good to go as well. I ways thought it was 12rds or less. Maybe now that this published through ATF, more dealers will jump on board and start selling to Chicago residents. Here is the link. Hopefully it works for you.

Thought this might help our situation... ATF has finally updated their published list of laws. They now have it broken down on their online site by state. For Illinois, it includes all the updated concealed carry including the preemption that the State has preempted all handgun laws over municipality ordinances. Surprisingly it only includes at the end of the document, ordinances for Aurora and for Chicago only. As far as Chicago, it details that the firearms dealers need a license if they are using a physical location inside of Chicago. As everyone here already knows, there is no ordinance prohibiting having ammunition shipped to them in Chicago and any dealers that take the time to review this will not find any prohibition. Illinois law already allows anyone with a valid FOID to have purchased ammunition shipped to them and that is also listed in this document under 430 ILCS 65/3. It says "ANY RESIDENT" and does not distinguish anything regarding any municipality ordinances. One thing ammunition related that Chicago does prohibit is 50bmg rounds and "armor piercing" ammo. Absolutely nothing else is listed under the prohibition. Another interesting thing I saw was in regards to "high capacity" magazines under Chicago's laws. It identifies them as having over 15rd capacity. So anything that is 15rds or less are good to go as well. I ways thought it was 12rds or less. Maybe now that this published through ATF, more dealers will jump on board and start selling to Chicago residents. Here is the link. Hopefully it works for you.

My exchange with Grabagun when they cancelled my order. I think that NSSF and NRA should get involved to clear this issue. They are throwing the baby with the bath water. These are bans by people who claim to support the 2nd amendment.

Thanks again for your order. However, we can not ship magazines of this capacity to your state.

Your order has been cancelled and a full refund issued.

Thank you,
Greg

Yes you can ship it in my state and there is no capacity limit. Please check the laws again. Chicago has a limit of 15 rounds but even that is preempted by state law so there is no limit.

New policies have been enacted at Grab A Gun in response to ever-changing state and local laws on firearm
legality and high capacity regulations. As a Texas-licensed gun dealer, we are unable to verify legality
for firearms and ammunition for every state, county and city across the country. For this reason, Grab A
Gun has instituted a policy that if a state (or any county/city within a state) has "assault weapon" or
high capacity magazine restrictions, we will not ship them to that state under any circumstances. This
also applies to law enforcement officers, who are typically exempt from firearm statutes. Hopefully
new legislation will pass in the future that would allow us to resume conducting normal business within
your state.

When were your new policies enacted? There is no "assault weapon" ban in Illinois and this is a pistol magazine. The law in Chicago hasn't changed since 2014 and it doesn't take long to see. Seems like you don't want to bother and are making up excuses.

There are active assault weapon and high capacity statutes in Cook County and ammunition shipping regulations across the whole state of Illinois, which are still in effect to the best of our knowledge. The policies were enacted just within the last month, due to rising incidences of firearms having to be returned to us, and ammunition orders are becoming too troublesome with having to verify active FOID cards. From a logistical standpoint, the cost to ship these items into Illinois/Cook County is simply outweighing the benefits, as well as opening the company up to potential legal issues. Again, we apologize for the inconvenience and sincerely wish that we were able to ship to your state unrestricted.

Thanks,
Greg

Thought this might help our situation... ATF has finally updated their published list of laws. They now have it broken down on their online site by state. For Illinois, it includes all the updated concealed carry including the preemption that the State has preempted all handgun laws over municipality ordinances. Surprisingly it only includes at the end of the document, ordinances for Aurora and for Chicago only. As far as Chicago, it details that the firearms dealers need a license if they are using a physical location inside of Chicago. As everyone here already knows, there is no ordinance prohibiting having ammunition shipped to them in Chicago and any dealers that take the time to review this will not find any prohibition. Illinois law already allows anyone with a valid FOID to have purchased ammunition shipped to them and that is also listed in this document under 430 ILCS 65/3. It says "ANY RESIDENT" and does not distinguish anything regarding any municipality ordinances. One thing ammunition related that Chicago does prohibit is 50bmg rounds and "armor piercing" ammo. Absolutely nothing else is listed under the prohibition. Another interesting thing I saw was in regards to "high capacity" magazines under Chicago's laws. It identifies them as having over 15rd capacity. So anything that is 15rds or less are good to go as well. I ways thought it was 12rds or less. Maybe now that this published through ATF, more dealers will jump on board and start selling to Chicago residents. Here is the link. Hopefully it works for you.

So, I just want to be clear. I'd like to buy some 17/18/20 rd magazines onilne and have them shipped to my house in Chicago. Is 357 right, or is mikey right?? If they can't be shipped, is that only for Chicago, or Cook? Could I have them shipped to an FFL not in Chicago?

The Chicago 15 round limit ordinance is still on the books. A number of people argue that the Illinois state preemption law on handguns rendered that city ordinance moot. However, I have not found any actual court decision to that effect and I have not found any vendor outside of the state or even in the state (Springfield Armory) that would ship a handgun magazine with a capacity greater than 15 to Chicago. Companies are just not willing to take the chance.

The Chicago 15 round limit ordinance is still on the books. A number of people argue that the Illinois state preemption law on handguns rendered that city ordinance moot. However, I have not found any actual court decision to that effect and I have not found any vendor outside of the state or even in the state (Springfield Armory) that would ship a handgun magazine with a capacity greater than 15 to Chicago. Companies are just not willing to take the chance.

The Chicago 15 round limit ordinance is still on the books. A number of people argue that the Illinois state preemption law on handguns rendered that city ordinance moot. However, I have not found any actual court decision to that effect and I have not found any vendor outside of the state or even in the state (Springfield Armory) that would ship a handgun magazine with a capacity greater than 15 to Chicago. Companies are just not willing to take the chance.

Long story short, you are not going to find a mail-order vendor who will sell you magazines with a capacity greater than 15 rounds and be willing to ship them to an address in Chicago. In fact, some won't ship you anything more than 12 rounds (which is the Cook County limit), and some won't ship you any magazines of any size whatsoever (Bud's, Palmetto, etc).

Only handgun magazines are (potentially) pre-empted by the state concealed carry law, and even that is treated as vague. I personally think they are, since they're an integral part of a semi-automatic handgun (the gun won't operate without one), but I'm not a lawyer and can't give you legal advice in that regard.

As for whether a vendor will ship them to a FFL dealer, you'd have to check that with the vendors and the dealer.

How would Chicago enforce any of this against an out-of-state dealer? Who knows?

Long story short, you are not going to find a mail-order vendor who will sell you magazines with a capacity greater than 15 rounds and be willing to ship them to an address in Chicago. In fact, some won't ship you anything more than 12 rounds (which is the Cook County limit), and some won't ship you any magazines of any size whatsoever (Bud's, Palmetto, etc).

Only handgun magazines are (potentially) pre-empted by the state concealed carry law, and even that is treated as vague. I personally think they are, since they're an integral part of a semi-automatic handgun (the gun won't operate without one), but I'm not a lawyer and can't give you legal advice in that regard.

As for whether a vendor will ship them to a FFL dealer, you'd have to check that with the vendors and the dealer.

How would Chicago enforce any of this against an out-of-state dealer? Who knows?

Chicago politicians would get in front of a camera and make grim statements about enabling violence and would name the seller directly and state that they are "exporting violence to our streets" and that the City is looking into what legal recourse they have against them. They would then declare that Congress should close the "person buying non regulated items from out of state loophole," but then blame the NRA for being too powerful to allow for these "common sense" laws. Then they would call for Springfield to enact legislation.

Honestly, the anti-gun response is pretty much paint by numbers at this point. While I understand merchants not wanting that on their shoulders I also think it's cowardly of them.

Your order (Brownells confirmation #xxxxxxxx) contains an item that isrestricted in your area. Your complete order will be put on hold untilthe proper documents have been received. One of the following documentsmust be on file with us:

A) Large Capacity Magazine Permit issued by yourState (CA) If you are a police officer, your order must be submittedon Department letterhead stating that they will receiveand validate your ID for the transport of high capacitymagazines. The magazines must be shipped to the Departmentaddress listed on the letterhead. The letterhead must besigned by your Superior Officer.C) FFL (CA, CO, MD, NJ, NY)

The document can be faxed or mailed.

If your document is not received within two weeks of the order beingplaced, your restricted item will be cancelled, unless we, the GunDepartment, are contacted during this time.

Magazine shipping is a separate issue from ammo, and has its own set of complexities. Let's keep this thread within the original scope (ammunition), otherwise the info here will become more difficult for people to navigate.