https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Working_Group_Minutes/MWG_2016-09-04&feed=atom&action=historyWorking Group Minutes/MWG 2016-09-04 - Revision history2020-06-07T09:44:34ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.33.3https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Working_Group_Minutes/MWG_2016-09-04&diff=4199&oldid=prevZverik: done2016-09-04T21:54:04Z<p>done</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>==Participants==<br />
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* Steve Friedl (SJFriedl)<br />
* Clifford Snow (Glassman)<br />
* Michael Spreng (datendelphin)<br />
* Ilya Zverev (Zverik)<br />
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== Introductions ==<br />
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Two members are missing.<br />
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[[Working_Group_Minutes/MWG_2016-08-03|Minutes from 2016-08-03]] were accepted with two votes.<br />
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== Google Forms ==<br />
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Nothing yet.<br />
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''Ilya to check if it is possible to add these forms to join.osmf.org's wordpress.''<br />
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== NDA ==<br />
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We have an NDA form, sent to Paul for verification.<br />
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Not sure how to sign it. Decided to print, sign, scan and send an image.<br />
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== osmf-talk Mailing List ==<br />
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Frederik has offered an admin access, nobody on MWG has it yet. We are to talk to Frederik.<br />
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= Transcript =<br />
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&lt;pre&gt;<br />
[21:59] &lt;Glassman&gt; Good morning/afternoon/evening to everyone<br />
[21:59] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Good evening to you too<br />
[22:01] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Zverik: hi<br />
[22:03] &lt;datendelphin&gt; So while we are waiting for the others, what do you think about the NDA?<br />
[22:05] &lt;Glassman&gt; from what I remember it looked okay. Does anyone have a link to it?<br />
[22:05] &lt;datendelphin&gt; sure https://docs.google.com/document/d/106JVPBsmFVKIPZw5bGLIvADLM8NbvCvqdqS-cH8F2lY/edit?pref=2&amp;pli=1<br />
[22:06] &lt;Glassman&gt; Where are the signed NDA kept or who keeps them?<br />
[22:07] &lt;datendelphin&gt; probably paper work for the board. Something for the administrative assistant?<br />
[22:08] &lt;Glassman&gt; Since Paul is secretary maybe he knows.<br />
[22:10] &lt;Glassman&gt; I just pinged paul on the osm channel<br />
[22:10] &lt;datendelphin&gt; tried to ping him as well<br />
[22:10] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Ilya is not responding either<br />
[22:11] &lt;Glassman&gt; guess we can assign them all the work and adjourn :)<br />
[22:12] &lt;datendelphin&gt; yes but that will not change much. those two do work already. They are the only ones with access to civicrm and similar<br />
[22:12] &lt;datendelphin&gt; so it would be nice if finally some more people could get access.<br />
[22:12] &lt;Glassman&gt; +1<br />
[22:26] &lt;datendelphin&gt; I havealtered the LWG draftto fit MWG: (link redacted)<br />
[22:28] &lt;Glassman&gt; The rewrite looks good. <br />
[22:29] &lt;Glassman&gt; datendelphin do you send it to the group; asking them to sign it and return it to Paul Norman?<br />
[22:30] &lt;datendelphin&gt; well I think we should get the ok of the board (pnorman or Zverik)<br />
[22:30] &lt;Zverik&gt; hi everyone, sorry for being late<br />
[22:30] &lt;datendelphin&gt; oh Zverik is here :) good<br />
[22:30] &lt;Zverik&gt; I'm okay with any NDA, but how are we going to sign it?<br />
[22:30] &lt;datendelphin&gt; with blood<br />
[22:31] &lt;datendelphin&gt; just kidding. I can mail it, but I can also scan it and e-mail it<br />
[22:31] &lt;Glassman&gt; there are websites that allow you to sign remotely. Let me look<br />
[22:31] &lt;Zverik&gt; I guess russian customs will get suspicious when they see people from all around the world sending me samples<br />
[22:32] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Glassman: I don't think such a service is necessary. Scan usually works fine<br />
[22:32] &lt;Zverik&gt; When I researched the CLAs (contributor license agreements), they said a digital signature is okay: http://maps.me/cla/<br />
[22:32] &lt;Zverik&gt; a scan is also okay<br />
[22:32] &lt;Glassman&gt; I was thinking of hellosign. Not sure of the cost. But I'm ok with scanning.<br />
[22:34] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Oh wai,t in 2 weeks is SOTM, I can also give it personally there<br />
[22:34] &lt;Glassman&gt; I won't be in Brussels, although I'd like to. I'm off to Costa Rica instead.<br />
[22:35] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Well that's no bad alternative<br />
[22:35] &lt;datendelphin&gt; So should we get started even though not so many people showed up?<br />
[22:36] &lt;Glassman&gt; I think we already started!<br />
[22:37] &lt;datendelphin&gt; So first item, last minutes. Everyone accepts them?<br />
[22:37] &lt;Glassman&gt; Does anyone have the transcript from last meeting, basically our minutes?<br />
[22:39] &lt;datendelphin&gt; http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/MWG_2016-08-03<br />
[22:41] &lt;Glassman&gt; I accept them<br />
[22:41] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Me too. Zverik?<br />
[22:41] &lt;Zverik&gt; I wrote these :)<br />
[22:42] &lt;Zverik&gt; (thanks for chairing, datendelphin, I'm a bit distracted with starting the osm awards)<br />
[22:43] &lt;datendelphin&gt; ok, so NDA, we will send it to the MWG list and the MWG members can sign it<br />
[22:43] &lt;Glassman&gt; send signed copies to osmf secretary, paul norman?<br />
[22:44] &lt;datendelphin&gt; yes I think so.<br />
[22:45] &lt;datendelphin&gt; I guess there was no progress on the google form issue?<br />
[22:45] &lt;Zverik&gt; no, sorry<br />
[22:46] &lt;Zverik&gt; for now we rely on members asking us why their membership hasn't been extended :)<br />
[22:46] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Then the spam false positives, are there some settings we could tweek to not reject mail?<br />
[22:47] &lt;datendelphin&gt; I am personally aware of that problem, as my mail got rejected as well each year when renewing.<br />
[22:48] &lt;datendelphin&gt; (side note: we should make a section open issues in the minutes to efficiently handle these points)<br />
[22:49] &lt;Glassman&gt; does the osmf have a github account we could use to track open issues?<br />
[22:49] &lt;Zverik&gt; I don't know, researched this because my mails are also rejected by google, and found no answer<br />
[22:50] &lt;Glassman&gt; I use google apps for my email so I haven't had a problem (that I'm aware of) <br />
[22:51] &lt;Glassman&gt; Is it the google form that is causing the problem?<br />
[22:51] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Glassman: no it has nothing to do with the form. Normal mails are being rejected as spam<br />
[22:52] &lt;Zverik&gt; yes<br />
[22:52] &lt;datendelphin&gt; I guess only from other mail providers than google itself<br />
[22:53] &lt;datendelphin&gt; I will investigat if we could provide an alternative address<br />
[22:54] &lt;Glassman&gt; datendelphin let me know how i can help<br />
[22:55] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Hi SJFriedl, you are a bit late :)<br />
[22:55] &lt;datendelphin&gt; so next point, osmf-talk mailing list. Zverik do you have access to it now?<br />
[22:56] &lt;Zverik&gt; let me check<br />
[22:57] &lt;Zverik&gt; no. Frederik has sent us a mail on 2.09 about the list, offering admin rights, but didn't make anybody an admin<br />
[22:58] &lt;SJFriedl&gt; I thought iwas 10 mins early.<br />
[22:58] &lt;datendelphin&gt; ok, so lets ask him if he could make us admin? Or just some of us?<br />
[22:59] &lt;datendelphin&gt; SJFriedl: hmm time zones are tricky. London is currently +1 because summer time. doodle has a nice feature that lets you see the time in your time zone (also for the finalized date)<br />
[23:00] &lt;SJFriedl&gt; Ok, summer time explains it. Sorry folks; I was looking forward to this.<br />
[23:01] &lt;Zverik&gt; datendelphin: he can<br />
[23:03] &lt;datendelphin&gt; so everyone (who shows up on mwg meetings) gets admin right to the osmf-talk list<br />
[23:04] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Report from Vivien. Looks good to me, but I am curious if it worked matching the transfers to members<br />
[23:06] &lt;datendelphin&gt; And if a payment is missing, we will ask Frederik if he can investigate in the transactions.<br />
[23:09] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Zverik: can you report on Viviens report?<br />
[23:10] &lt;Zverik&gt; I've checked £15 entries for the first half of the year, and most of these were indeed related to membership fees<br />
[23:10] &lt;Zverik&gt; Haven't seen the latest one yet.<br />
[23:11] &lt;datendelphin&gt; ok, so you used the transaction log directly. But we expect it to work with viviens monthly export<br />
[23:13] &lt;datendelphin&gt; A member asked about multi-year payment. Would that be possible?<br />
[23:13] &lt;Zverik&gt; just checked it; looks almost the same as entries that Frederik sent me, so it should be no problem to use these reports<br />
[23:13] &lt;Zverik&gt; Some years ago, I think, we decided against multi-year payments<br />
[23:13] &lt;Zverik&gt; because this way we know members are still active<br />
[23:14] &lt;datendelphin&gt; ok, good.<br />
[23:15] &lt;Zverik&gt; we can reconsider that, but it's for the Board to decide, I think<br />
[23:16] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Then we have two members who have announced their wire transfer, and one who requested that his e-mail address be changed<br />
[23:17] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Zverik: have you changed this e-mail address in civicrm?<br />
[23:18] &lt;Zverik&gt; I was postponing that, but doing it now<br />
[23:19] &lt;datendelphin&gt; thanks. That's everything on my list. Any other business?<br />
[23:20] &lt;Zverik&gt; not from me :)<br />
[23:20] &lt;Zverik&gt; I'd like somebody to make a CLA and sign it, so there is at least one other person manning the civicrm :)<br />
[23:20] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Zverik will be doing the minutes again?<br />
[23:20] &lt;SJFriedl&gt; I presume you folks talked about the NDA?<br />
[23:21] &lt;datendelphin&gt; CLA=NDA?<br />
[23:21] &lt;SJFriedl&gt; nondisclosure? do you call it something else?<br />
[23:21] &lt;Zverik&gt; yes<br />
[23:21] &lt;Zverik&gt; NDA of course :)<br />
[23:21] &lt;SJFriedl&gt; ok. I'll wait for the minutes.<br />
[23:22] &lt;datendelphin&gt; yes, we agreed on this: (link redacted)<br />
[23:22] &lt;Zverik&gt; datendelphin: I'll copy the log into minutes<br />
[23:22] &lt;datendelphin&gt; thanks. If you could omit my owncloud urls, that would be great :)<br />
[23:23] &lt;datendelphin&gt; Thank you everyone for showing up, and have a nice day<br />
[23:23] &lt;Glassman&gt; thanks everyone.<br />
[23:24] &lt;Zverik&gt; thanks!<br />
&lt;/pre&gt;</div>Zverik