What should I be looking for when buying on-ear headphones for listening on a PC without anything fancy? I'm asking because I guess it doesn't make sense to buy some $1000 headphones if I don't have DACs, amps, etc.

Where is the stopping point? I'm willing to buy expensive headphones, but I don't wanna feel like I'm not using their full potential, and I also don't want to just buy a lot of stuff before knowing if I'm into this stuff.

Recommend some headphones you think are good, I haven't decided budget, brand, open/closed, etc, I just want a general idea.

>#1 recommended brand by reddit shills because hehe i get to say Shit>owner thinks authoring a 140-chapter work of fiction about the company history makes up for garbage quality control, performance, and customer service>Schiit defenders are becoming poster children for post-purchase rationalization when shown their buys aren’t worth the money

>solder splatter>caps on output>Either they don't measure their DACs, don't care or don't know how to design a clean DAC. >For me the biggest letdown with all of this is the major disservice Schiit and others are doing to the community. They are toting these frankly "shit" amps as power houses>As we see, tons of jitter and distortion products are visible together with higher noise floor. Even the Topping D30 at $129 shipped runs circles around it in how clean its output is relative to Schiit BiFrost Multi-bit.>There are DACs literally at 10% of the cost that do much better.

>>65092202>I didn't name the company...you defend a company with an infantile name that caters to gen z (by their own admission) with shitty measurements and poor build quality + customer service while calling other anons here gen z.

>>65092373>Blind testing is the gold standard in science.Might be one of the dumber things I've read this year. So if more people think one thing then that thing is truth. This explains a lot about gen z.

ITT: people believe their ears can transcend even the lowest performing of electronics.Somehow, the same people would perfectly be willing to admit a DSLR with an equivalent field of view to a human can take a picture that will have more details when zoomed in than we can perceive unless we get closer to the object. But when it comes to audio, cognitive bias just can't be fought against and people will buy $2k dacs to resolve details their sense is utterly failing at resolving.

>>65092520>You don't like Sailor Moon?I have nothing against sailor moon. I'm making fun of you because if you're going to be critical of people then you are going to have people be critical of you back.

in case you haven't figured it out yet since you are a little slow.. the reason you hate everyone here is exactly because everyone hates you for being an abrasive asshole in the first place.

>>65092523This. I can at least respect floor anon for simply ignoring psychoacoustics. But the gen z distorts and perverts the truth to support his own post-purchase rationalization. Talking to him always goes nowhere because he is mentally incapable of making logically coherent arguments and will shift goalposts and deflect without realizing he is committing a logical fallacy. Quite honestly, I believe he is autistic in the clinical sense of the word.

>>65092626>What do you mean why I care?yes. why do you care. it's not pre 9/11. those days are gone. why do you care? just kill yourself or leave. if you think everyone around you is underage and gen z then leave. you bitching about clearly isn't solving your problem, so leave. it's like you're at a yugioh tournament playing with a bunch of 10 year olds. you keep bitching but you come back every weekend to play with them.

Hpg,a few years back you suggested the Vmoda m100s for their bass and build quality.They were and still to this day are fantastic cans that ive used hours per day for years. However i snapped a band which makes one side non-adjustable. My right ear aux plug is so loose the cord just falls out, but still works fine on the left side.My cushy pleather ear pads are peeling as well.I just need to know if i should pick up another pair of these or if a hot new bassy hard to kill set of cans are on the market?Btw these paired with a shitty Eiio deliver bass that gives me ear tickling only a pair of 12 subs in a car can give. Thanks bruhs

>>65092418Measurements are fine, but that doesn't tell you if the little hump or dip you see in the graphs translates to something that anyone is going to be able to hear. What use is paying hundreds more for something that looks better on a frequency graph, if even someone with great ears can't hear any difference?

Specifically blind tests are used because if you tell someone that they're about to hear the one that's supposed to be good, they'll subjectively hear something better, even if it was actually the same.

>>65091818Now that we're onto absolute horrorposting, get a load these monstrosities originating from a Finnair flight back in 2009.These were so hilariously awful I just had to take them home and hold onto them. You know, just for the occasional shits 'n' giggles, or perhaps as a healthy reminder of the abysmal depths head/earphone quality can go.It's almost endearing how these had the usual old school dual prong headphone plug setup, but with a special twist: the second plug could be turned up 90 degrees, converting them from dual TR to single TRS plug. But have two guesses if that system worked reliably? Of course it didn't! So it was off to opening up the plug casing and permanently soldering the wiring to the non-movable plug. Anything for those shits 'n' giggles!

I have no idea of the frequency response of these things, but I'd guess they'd measure similarly to those Korean Airline earphones. Absolutely no highs or lows (and not in the "hurr durr, there's zero base" kind of way, there's literally NONE). And what's left is this horribly boxy and tinny squeeking. Would make an interesting challenge trying to EQ them to sound anything other than absolute shite.Judging from how it was practically impossible to get them to anywhere listenable volume levels (not that you'd want to...), I would have these to have a massive impedance, but no. Checking with a multimeter, the left channel measured "only" 91 ohms and the right side around 80 ohms (yea, that's some proper driver quality control and matching right here!), not THAT much. I guess the sensitivity of the drivers must be quite legendarily low.

And as a cherry on top and testament to the impeccable shittiness of this earphone model, only one of the two pairs I got from that round trip of two flights was actually properly made and working. Right out of the box (or to be exact, plastic bag), the other pair, A) didn't work at all, and B) had left side shells on both earpieces.You can't make this shit up.

>>65092817Sorry yeah, I'm not at my monitor, my tv has low resolution, so when I was mass quoting things got messy.>>65092858yes, great sounding and comfy af. if you're a burger make sure to import from europe as they're way overpriced in us.I'm in the UK, so cool, comfy too, that's a huge selling point for me, when headband is just a solid semi cushioned band it gets annoying so I have to keep shifting it around.>>65092894The K712 are some the best headphones out there.Well I believe both of you recommending them so highly, I keep hearing good things. It'd be worth the investment, even though I've only just bought a couple of pairs of headphones.

>>65092870>I thought because it's out of the warranty period and I have no receipt they'd just say "Sorry we cannot provide it"Reputable headphone companies all offer a certain level of service. AT, Sennheiser, Koss (all Koss have lifetime warranties. Even their electrostatic!), Beyerdynamic (can find brand new replacement parts for 40+ years old headphones). This is why you buy from a tried and true, old, proven company that has gone through the test of time and shown they care for customer satisfaction.If you buy from stuff like ChiFiMan that should come with the expectation that you're not going to get anything near what the price tag deserves in support, long term distribution of replacement parts and quality control.

>>65092846No. They literally have as much bass as Beats, as well as a harsh, sibilant treble peak at ~7 kHz which will be amplified by your ear canal+concha system's three quarter wavelength resonance.K612 are the only good AKGs.

>>65093209Looks ok, I have watched people review them before and they're on my list.Also considering the Audio-Technica ATH-AD500X'sBecause of the wing design, think Akg do model/s with the wing stuff on too.

>>65093146>They literally have as much bass as BeatsSomeone doesn't know how to read a graph.Bass to about 500hz are at the same (~1 to ~2dB differences are minor and barely noticed by human ears) and it very slowly goes down until it reaches a level where upper mids are toned down, which is a pleasant characteristic found in most headphones apart from the HD600 and other shouty crap. The treble goes back up but it's nowhere near a Beyer T1 peak or worse, a Grado upper midrange shout.Beats in general have gotten an excessive reputation as basshead headphones. They're garbage headphones with terribly uneven frequency response and poor detail but they're not the bass monsters people make them out to be either. Something like the V-Moda in my posted picture is more like it. 100hz +8dB over 350hz. No treble. This is bass canon.Not sure why V-Moda doesn't have Beats's reputation. They are more beats than the real beats.

>>65093422sound sure. But the k712 is more comfy and wearable for longer periods, and more durably built in Europe instead of China and has a detachable cable. don’t pinch shekels to spend more in the long term.

>>65093409I don’t know what tubes they use. But tip. Certain NOS brands gain so much hype they are $$$. However, you can find the exact same hyped up tube only REBRANDED for considerably less money. Exact same tube but was Branded for some other company at the time.

Check out Audiotubes.com. That’s Brent Jesse Recording, and his site lists subjective signature to expect from various NOS, and he also sells those rebranded Tubes for cheap. Usually you’ll scroll down through a page for the tube you need and at the bottom will be the rebranded or sometimes called butt ugly tubes.

>>65093680The Sennheiser's in your pic? Should be yeah>marriagekekThe on ear Sennheisers block out all noise to an extent, like wearing in-ears where you can hear yourself swallow and thoughts. The one ear momentum and urbinites.

didnt know if this sis the place to ask this but here goes;I have a 2:1 setup plus my headphones, what is the best amp to power the two monitors, my sub, and my headphones? or is this a stupid question and should I have separate setups for both

>>65096314That and the fact that it looks like a flat out good pair of headphones, as far as the description goes. This could be a great office pair, with bluetooth for commute, and since it includes dac and amp, no need to carry one myself.

>Budget100-200 I'd rather stay closer to the 150 range>LocationUS>SourceNew computer, occasionally my phone.>Type of headphoneFull sized>Open or closedClosed>Comfort levelVery comfy. I'll be using these for atleast a few hours at a time for games and for music while doing coursework>Sound signatureMaybe bright, I listen to jazz a lot and have found it hard to hear the right hand piano. If not bright then neutral.>Past headphonesMa750s. Never owned full-size headphones besides headsets for games

>>65096564It would be the thx00 ph and k712 tied. Particular the Purpleheart edition of the thx00, its smoother and warmer than the mahogany. I no longer own the sines, But I really liked those and the pm3's for portables.

>>65096613Useful info, Tied ey, both have very different sound characteristics. From what I've heard about the Purpleheart in comparison to the two other colours, they have their own sound even in the same product range..Always useful when someone actually has the products instead of just going by graphs (useful in it's own way of course)

>>65096383I think they've come to realize they've milked "exclusivity" (not really, but still niche) with planars for all they're worth, and that now is the time to get their brand "mainstream". That really wouldn't surprise me with monoprice getting on the planar action and driving prices down.

>>65096650they are different enough, I mainly use the hd600 critical listening and the thx00 for fun. k712 kind on meets in the middle being great at both critical listening and fun. If i could only recommend one it would be the k712.

hd600 sounds too narrow and mid forward imho especially out of a single ended port, I don't know why but a balanced cable really helps the hd600 widen up a bit, I don't think the 660s has the same problem though.

>>65097407It's not active ear infection, there's no pus, just pain.My doctor says it's because of accumulation of ear wax.So is there a headset that doesn't collect ear wax?What about pic related? is this design better?

>>65097448my friends dad who's a doctor said that wearing earbuds or whatever increases the bacteria production in the ear a shitton. but i guess regular not in-ear earbuds would probably give you the least problems.

I don't think of myself as an audiophile, no offense.But I've noticed that same audio files doesn't sound the same on different devices even if I use the same headset.What do I do? use a DAC? Use high quality headset?Or is this just in my head, and it's the first steps towards being an audiophile?

>>65097448In ear stuff increases wax, creates itchiness and soreness... How do I know this? I was using IEM's or should I say IEM, I used to have one earpiece in all the time for listening to podcasts or whatever, I'd get earache in that ear and itchiness and more wax. I usually shower daily and clean my ears with earbuds, so I can notice a difference.That would be the last thing I'd get. Get some open headphones so air can get in too. You don't want a couple of closed ecosystem bio domes over them if they're healing.

>>65096701SBAF measurements so take those as you will. Not like I say every thread that only the L700/Omegas are good from STAX.Get a used HD800 and be happy that you don't have to DIY or buy a $300 amplifier that doesn't even have measurements.

>>65097687>he fell for the stax meme>>65097707this. the postpurchase rationalization around stax is crazy. so many memeing tards who act like all stax and stax rigs are made equally and they aren’t. a used hd800 or focal clear or he-6 that works with verified source chains that don’t cost assrape prices is a better buy for pretty much everyone.

>>65097509You may be a giant faggot but at least you did warn /hpg/ a couple of weeks ago that the L300LE is not *that* good. Now with the headphone being delayed to late summer, my decision to wait and see instead of being an impulsive prick looks wiser with each passing day.

I really should try the HD800 these days... they are immune to FOTM crap so they must be at least somewhat decent.

>>65096701It's funny because not only do you have to deal with the driver failing as soon as some dust looks at it, messy decay through out the entire FR, ridiculously huge and unwieldy headphones, being worse than dynamics at literally everything but transients, but now you also have to deal with a horrible FR!Almost feel bad for the morons that fell for the shilling campaign. Stick to shilling hd600, you'll hurt less people.

>>65097841It's not often Europe gets a better deal because of various reasons so don't feel to hard done by (American anons) you get it better prices on much ore than us.Also,one thing that's a load of crap is when if something is $100, it's £100. they don't alter for exchange rates.I already have a couple of Sennheiser headphones, not top of the line stuff. So, I'd like to try other manufacturers offerings. Not because I don't like Senn ones- just to keep things interesting.

>>65097820If you want akg I think you should get the k612 pro, it's the best cheaper model. I made the mistake of buying all headphones that have prominent treble and no smooth fatigueless headphone. I think people should buy safe bets like hd600, x00, etc for their first real headphone because they wont fatigue you like a 880 or akg

>>65097877>k612 proI think I'm speaking (writing) to the same couple of anons from before. There was similar mixed opinion,i know this isn't that related to AKG but people moan about the ksc75 being to trebly and I think they sound sweet and have plenty of bass.Don't think I'll have the funds for hd600 any time soon really, I have other stuff on my shopping list too.Maybe one day.

>>65097949It's natural with something that specialized and unique looking. That people will be curious about what exactly makes it worth the price, proprietary amp equipment, bulky cables, risk of ear damage, electrocution, dust danger.People will turn to analysis of the sound they produce, and if signs aren't oh that's why they love these things- then obviously, people will be surprised.

>>65099508Buy used off Amazon warehouse or something, then you won't feel as bad sending them back after testing them because they were already used anyway.Not sure if Amazon ban people for excess activity like that though.