I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

Such as?

I am, btw, typing between eating my first Chick-Fil-A. The parking lot was packed. The counters were packed. The dining room was packed. The patio was packed. The drive thru was packed.

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I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

I have to give the opposition credit. They accurately, if cynically, do point to the fact that the same Church(es) that stand for "Biblical Marriage" in fact neglect many other marital laws quoted in Scripture

I wouldn't say they're accurate. Most of the Protestants I know oppose no-fault divorce and other threats to institutional marriage/family just as much as gay marriage (plenty of Protestant churches have more stringent divorce rules than even Orthodoxy, for instance). There's just no organized pro-divorce movement around to drum up controversy about it.

In my experience the whole "Christian hypocrites" angle that these types play up is mostly mythological.

I am, btw, typing between eating my first Chick-Fil-A. The parking lot was packed. The counters were packed. The dining room was packed. The patio was packed. The drive thru was packed.

I don't have CFA in my state (though I've enjoyed it many times in other locales), but I've heard the same from friends elsewhere. Seems this controversy has been the best thing that ever happened to the company.

And honestly, this whole controversy is dumb. The president of the company said he was pro-family. Didn't say the words "gay" or "homosexual" at all. That was the spin of radical egomaniacs who seem to require the explicit and unqualified approval of absolutely every person on earth or they will die.

Chick-Fil-A restaurants don't have a sexual litmus test for customers or employees. I never saw a gaydar installed in the entrance of one. So...what's the big deal?

I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

There was no "anti-gay" rhetoric. Just pro-marriage rhetoric.

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Why do we have a news post with no link to the news. What is this about?

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And honestly, this whole controversy is dumb. The president of the company said he was pro-family. Didn't say the words "gay" or "homosexual" at all. That was the spin of radical egomaniacs who seem to require the explicit and unqualified approval of absolutely every person on earth or they will die.

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

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I was told that Chick-Fil-A money has been given to "faith-based" organizations that oppose gay marriage. Has anyone heard about that, or is it baseless?

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...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.

Naw man, I ain't gonna eat it. I'll eat some free range on occasion, which my wife will fry up as good as anyone. But I'll probably go buy some lemon ades and sweet teas from Chick-fil-A, just to protest intolerance. I'm not a flag burner type of guy. Not really into burning books, burning flags, burning babies, or burning oneself. Burn Babylon, that's all!

Selam

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As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

Dude, you are like within the heart of proper fried chicken which I would say ends about four miles north of me until you get to the occasional eatery like Sylvia's . Please don't waste your fried chicken experience on the garbage Chick-Fil-A puts out.

I beg your for your own sake.

Have real fried chicken and burn a rainbow flag, if you must protest what is going on.

We protest by building up. The opposition protests by tearing down.

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Very inspiring video, and very influential. That gal definitey inspired me to go to Chik-fil-A on August 1st and buy a few meals to give to the homeless. And her points were so good that she almost influenced me to stop being a vegetarian.

Selam

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A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

it's not to spite gay people, but a show of support for Chik-fil-a for standing up for their principles and for the norms of traditional Christian marriage in the face of a barrage of pro-gay and pro-gay marriage hatred and ridicule.

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them. It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

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In the alternate universe of culture warrior ism it,s heterosexuals that are discriminated most often by homosexuals.

Why be so specific? It is the deviate dictating the norm (something Sen. Moynahan called "defining down deviency") in general, not just this instance, that needs to be fought.

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Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.

I'm going Tueday. Again.

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I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

Is it really any worse than the labor that went into giving them Coke and chocolate shakes? If you're gonna boycott, boycott, but this seems like an odd reason to provoke such action. From what I can tell, there's been no active discrimination against gays from Chick Fil-A, just some rhetoric and questionable donations by its leadership. I can't say I approve, but I can't say I'm moved to care a great deal either.

A friend of mine has speculated that this whole thing was a calculated move on the part of Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy to drum up more business by making Chick-fil-A seem like a persecuted martyr. He theorizes that since Chick-fil-A does not do nearly as well in liberal communities as it does in conservative areas, it was a calculated gamble to trade the loss of liberal consumers for an increased gain from conservative consumers. I'm not sure I agree with his thesis, but it's interesting. It would surely be a cynical ploy on Dan Cathy's part. And I personally think he is a better business man than to intentionally sabotage any of his consumer base. Also, even if such a strategy worked in here in the U.S., it would backfire internationally. It would be foolish to jeaopardize the proliferation of their business overseas simply to make short term gains in America. I also think Chick-fil-A has built their company on integrity, and such a cynical move would be contrary to the values and integrity upon which their company was founded. But then again, I might be very naive.

As for the "LGBTQ..." activists, their militancy and intolerance seem to always backfire. I'm a vegetarian, but I think I'm gonna have me a Chick-fil-A sanwich this week.

Selam

I'm not sure their "militancy and intolerance" always backfire, what with Coors and all.

And it's pretty sad and petty that you would do something just to spite gay people.

Serving notice that those pushing the gay agenda (the majority of whom are not gay, btw) shall not dictate to us is not spiting them. It is rather sad and petty that someone should think we should ask "how high" when they say "jump"!

So they have an agenda now, do they? Sounds ominous.

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Someone quipped: "Is metropolitn Philip going to give a dispensation for chicken on Wed. to all our culture warriors?" Plus it's the beginning of the fast, you know.

I'm going Tueday. Again.

make sure it's before vespers; also are you aware to what extent the southern baptist co venting and organizations associated with it ( to which is reasonable to think our pro-family filthy capitalist donates) is involved in proselytism in eastern Europe ? They built a very large university in Oradea ( Romania) for instance,

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I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

I'm not sure I support a company that promotes or even enables anti-gay rhetoric.

And how do you define "anti-gay rhetoric?" Would simply stating that homosexuality is a disorder or that the acts involved are sins be deemed by you "anti-gay rhetoric," even if there is no condemnation of persons or fomenting of violence or discrimination?

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I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

I ate there in grad school. They had an outlet in the cafeteria--perhaps it's been shut down by kiss-ins, I don't know now. But part of my job in the cafeteria was working there and in proximity to the place and after that, I didn't eat there because of cross-contamination issues. Perhaps real Chick-Fil-As not staffed by students are better run.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

I will admit that liberals sure do look mighty hypocritical right now saying CFA is intolerant. Yet it seems to me liberals are intolerant of the freedom of speech. I also would like some confirmation if CFA is funding anti-gay marriage groups as well.

There's only like 3% of adults in America who classify themselves as LGBT, why give them such a loud voice when they hardly represent a majority?