I was considering a DC tour but after reading this thread I'm having second thoughts???

Refreshing.

Have you traveled abroad for dating before ? Were you considering a specific country or area ? Let us know some more about you and hopefully we can help with some advice.

Nice to see someone "getting" it before they waste 7k+
Unlike some in this thread who failed but say they are not disappointed and ready to waste another 7k
Some never learn.
Now if the tours were hyped by just show up and for 10 days and 7-10k of your hard earned money you have a 10% chance to find a woman. But if you are under 40 its more like 4%
Then i would have no problem with Mark and his silly tours. But when you see guys failing all the time thinking they would get something very different for their time and money you get pissed off.

If as an example, an American based International Dating Agency says they "don't pay" any of the ladies to attend the socials but everyone knows they use "local Ukrainian agencies" to find the women to help fill the socials. Do you think these "sub contracted local agencies" are paying some of the women to attend? This removes the liability from the original American based company and then they claim "we don't pay any women" to attend? While they (American Based Dating Agency) may not have personally paid women to attend, the agency they hired did pay them. Of course, the American agency can say, "oh we fully reject paid women to our socials" wink wink.. But, wow get her photo it's great eye candy for marketing. Do they really know what is going on with these independent local agencies who are sending the women or they do know and just pretend not too or maybe it's understood, "hey go over to the American agency for a brief interview and tell them you want a foreign man to marry, sign and take photo then return to local agency and we have nice paycheck for your work today. We will call you soon for more work with your contract agreement.

I've read it's common to pay some of the "very attractive" women who attend the social events upwards of 25 to 50 US dollars (very good money in Ukraine) which is a week's work or several days work in Nikolaev. These paid potential wive's or unpotential women attend a short 3 hour event to smile, act attentive to the guy, look pretty, talk, ask the client questions about himself, seem interested, take a few photo's and video's. What is the "legal arrangement" with both agencies for these women and is that privy for a client who paid 5000 to review? If the answer is no, then they just answered the question for you there is fraud involved AND some women are being paid to attend. Remember numerous videos say women are not paid to attend events. If the subcontractor pays the women then it should be a law this is fully disclosed to the paying client. why hide it? Why not have a "FULL DISCLOSURE STATEMENT THAT Some Women May Be Paid for Marketing and Advertising Purposes". Will most clients care if you are open to it? Probably Not but to hide this information is flat out unethical and very shady. If one woman is paid to be there it should be a law that this is disclosed to CLIENTS. Do the right thing and be OPEN ABOUT IT IF YOU ARE A HONEST DATING AGENCY! What if the original American based company uses photo's and video's, and interviews to market these beauties at the events creating an 'illusion" for men to come on the tours to meet these beautiful women for potential marriage when in actual reality they are hired as marketing tools and "eye candy" to sell more tours. While they may show many single mothers at the event, they also mix in and show "paid" model type beauties.

Basically, ANY UNETHICAL CROOKED COMPANY can say my company does not pay the girls to attend YET they pay the local agency to get them there. But in reality, the SUBCONTRACTED agency takes that same money, pays and hires very attractive women to attend the events and has an arrangement in contract and full disclosure form that they do not reveal they are paid or will be sued by the terms of the written contract. If some these women are being paid and men are being told all these women are serious and married minded and are not paid to attend, is this not extremely unethical and borderline business fraud? You see these beauties at the socials but never see them actually marry or develop relationships with the majority of the men. Sure, you see an occasional 5 to 10% get a woman but the whole system seems a bit like that shady timeshare business. You see in timeshare you bribe 100's of people to show up for gifts, cash and FREE trips and have a program where it's very lucrative and profitable if 5 to 10% buy the timeshare. Interesting, it seems about 5 to 10% is the normal marriage success rate who take this venture. In addition, is the client's 5000 dollars being used to hire the paid professional beauties that create the allure of grandeur as well? Have these local dating agencies in an extremely corrupt country ever been totally investigated and audited to see where the money trail leads too? Statistically, it's probably a proven model with the right management and process yields a 5 to 10% success rate of marriage. But would this be a good selling point? A youtube video that says pay 5000 dollars and out of 20 guys .. 2 of you will meet your wife??? why not report the truth? I will tell you why..
$$$$$5000 reasons...

You are correct.
You dont think these local agencies work for free do you? and if they need to call up some girls it is not some wrinkly 55 year old they call. To get the girl to agree to showing up it goes something like this. Come on Olga it will be fun. They have free food and drinks. Then Olga say. But i was going to meet a friend today so I am busy. then the agency say. If your friend is pretty you can bring her. come on Olga. We will pay you both 10 dollar each. Then Olga thinks. oooh 10 dollar is enough to buy some sushi. Ok I will tell me friend we are going to a social

Why do you think some girls have been to almost every dc social since the start but never found a man?
Because they are there as eye candy and for free dinner dates.
One of the real dc regulars have been busting her ass in one of the gyms I train at. Shes upping her game to get more dates on the next tour

Hey guys look at these new living profiles introduced by Mark Davis. Mark claims this new format is ground breaking and revolutionary. I have to admit this format is a lot better than a still photo as you get a sense of her essence and personality. What do you think?

Ground breaking and revolutionary????
He found a cure for Cancer or Aids??
Ooooh he just made a short video like people have done for years already. Wow truly ground breaking
Mark sure thinks highly about him self.

Mark is not actively soliciting his clients Are you still married? Are you still married? I am sure if there are some divorces he does not want to hear it because that does not fit in with his marketing campaign. The question is if a guy does come forward and say I am now divorced from someone I met on a DC tour will Mark publicise it? Of course not. If he is a genuine man of character he will stop making the claim.

By the way why are you saying DC marriages are not that old yet? Didn't Mark start his company back in 2011? That's 7 years of marriages.

I said the marriages are not old because they are not old. i not just say things because i have nothing better to do.
That video about no divorces was from january 2017 andthe first tour in nikolaev was in 2012. Nobody got married the same day of the first tour. Right? So by the time that video was published the first marriage from nikolaev was maybe 4 years old give or take a few months. In 2011 it was Alex in Poltava and Mark was just the class clown there to undertain the few clients going there. But even if you include those couples we are still only talking about 5 years which is nothing.

Hey guys look at these new living profiles introduced by Mark Davis. Mark claims this new format is ground breaking and revolutionary. I have to admit this format is a lot better than a still photo as you get a sense of her essence and personality. What do you think?

This is a wonderful example of the eye candy being promoted to lure guys in without a chance in hell of her relocating across the world. Definitely not worth blowing $5,000 for the chance (plus airfare and other expenses). She was interviewed in a promotional video and the comments are filled with guys wanting her. Sad. 23 years old. Not a chance.

Spot on!!
Same with 20 YEAR OLD Anastasia on the march tour. Fat chance that iswife material. I like baking so what. She forgot that she also like to play with dolls and taking 7000 selfies a day. Pure eye candy for the idiot men who could not even get a 40 year old chubby woman. Now they think they are going to make a clueless 20 year old in to their house wife. Even if she wanted to settle down what kind of mental retard of a man want a 20 year old wife.

Another thing. That Maryna is just average by Ukranian escort standards. My favorite Kiev escort is much prettier, just two years older, $50/hour. Plenty of English-speaking girls from age 18 up for $50/hour in Kiev and for much less in places like Mykolaiv. You should be able to find a girl like Maryna for $30/hour in Mykolaiv. And you can easily rent apartments there for $10/day. Other costs also very low, other than for imported electronics. So for the $5000 that guys are willing to throw away on these Dream Connections tours, they could spend $55/day for 90 days having an hour of sex with a young woman every day. You'd probably need some Russian ability to make this work however.

I know this is the marriage thread, but something to consider. Also, many prostitutes eventually leave the business by marrying a customer, so that's actually a very good way to meet a Ukrainian wife.

Prostitution is normal and traditional in Ukraine, they just dont call it that when they have only a few or one clients and the transfer of money is done implicitly rather than explicitly. Marriage to a rich American man (anyone who can throw away $5000 on a two week tour is rich by Ukrainian standards) is effectively prostitution, regardless of whether the woman loves the man or not.

yea you can get hot young hookers in Nikolaev for 20 bucks including 2 dc translators,
Oooops did I just say that. I guess they are not all saints after all

Not that i would use or need to use such services. I find all kind of sluts disgusting. But at least an honest whore who stands for what she is can be respected. It is all the under cover whores=instagram ass posers that are the worst.

So funny on mothers day one of Nikolaevs biggest slut post a picture of her self with her mom anda long nice message about her mom. then 5 minutes later she post a picture of her naked ass. her mom must be so proud

Wow you really flooded the thread with your big pictures MrLee4u. Next time learn to resize them before posting. Maybe someone can edit them out.

The fact is that many on Tinder are prostitutes or soft-prostitutes. They will ask for "help with finans" but when it comes down to it they are hookers. Very few are interested in a serious relationship (in Ukr)

hey, i like big pictures. Get a bigger monitor or just scroll through with your tiny cell phone.

tinder should be the opposites of hookers. Its supposed to be a free hookup app. I dont know how it is in third world ukraine but theres also a report option where you can report people.

Asking for "help" can be anyone. You dont have to. Nobodys forcing you and if you like what shes selling you at least got options if your buying.

your lack of knowledge must be great.
Good Ukrainian women are not in to spreading their legs for random red necks in town. and most would never even think about being seen with a black guy.
hence why tinder is just sluts and pros or semi pros. Reporting? this is not high school adults dont snitch to tinder

I said the marriages are not old because they are not old. i not just say things because i have nothing better to do.
That video about no divorces was from january 2017 andthe first tour in nikolaev was in 2012. Nobody got married the same day of the first tour. Right? So by the time that video was published the first marriage from nikolaev was maybe 4 years old give or take a few months. In 2011 it was Alex in Poltava and Mark was just the class clown there to undertain the few clients going there. But even if you include those couples we are still only talking about 5 years which is nothing.

Mark now claims in this video (published May 7, 2018) @ 2:40 "We've now had now over 300 people married, men and women and out of those we have no divorces and so trust me..."

So if you take the 300 figure, that means 150 marriages right? 150 marriages since he started in 2011. We are still not half way through 2018 so roughly 7 years. That means roughly 22 marriages per year. How many tours does Mark do per year? How many guys usually go on the tour? About 20? And about 10% of the guys actually get married. Do the math. Something doesn't add up.

I said the marriages are not old because they are not old. i not just say things because i have nothing better to do.
That video about no divorces was from january 2017 andthe first tour in nikolaev was in 2012. Nobody got married the same day of the first tour. Right? So by the time that video was published the first marriage from nikolaev was maybe 4 years old give or take a few months. In 2011 it was Alex in Poltava and Mark was just the class clown there to undertain the few clients going there. But even if you include those couples we are still only talking about 5 years which is nothing.

Mark now claims in this video (published May 7, 2018) @ 2:40 "We've now had now over 300 people married, men and women and out of those we have no divorces and so trust me..."

So if you take the 300 figure, that means 150 marriages right? 150 marriages since he started in 2011. We are still not half way through 2018 so roughly 7 years. That means roughly 22 marriages per year. How many tours does Mark do per year? How many guys usually go on the tour? About 20? And about 10% of the guys actually get married. Do the math. Something doesn't add up.

He includes more than just couples who met on one of his tours. He also counts each couple as 2 when he says "300 people married". Any guy who failed on a DC tour and later succeeds on his own, is included in Mark's claim. Also, people who never took a tour, but are part of the "tribe", and find a woman on their own are included.

Steve made a video review of a Dream Connections tour before he ever took a Dream Connections tour. How can his opinion be worth listening to ? For a relatively decent looking guy with what I assume is good income, what can explain his repeated failures ? It seems it can only be that he has no idea how to go about finding the right woman. Why is he giving advice ? He's the last person to seek advice from in this area.

Financial support is a very tricky subject. She could have more than one guy sending her financial support. You do not want to become victim of financial support scam as many guys have.

I would only offer financial support after living with her 2-3 months in her country and in a serious relationship and then couldn't be with her. Ideally if you have some type of online job it's better to live with her in her country.

In Steve's case he probably can't stay in Ukraine that long due to his job. I would recommend that he find a working girl in Ukraine. There are plenty of them that don't require ongoing financial support. His last girl was apparently a working girl. She worked in a hospital and yet still she requested financial support. Maybe she didn't want the long working hours so she wanted Steve to send her $300-$400 a month, or maybe her working in a hospital was just a story she made up.

I was looking through the Facebook page for Slavic Girl Marriage Agency, https://www.facebook.com/SlavicGirlAgency, which is one of the marriage agencies Dream Connections uses to get women for their tours. Of course, if you look at their Facebook page, you will see lady after lady that you will recognize from these events, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread. However, what I found funny was when they replied to a comment, the photo that appeared with their website was a photo of Mark and Anna Davis.

I took a screenshot, but how do I upload it to appear here ?

I wouldn't be surprised if Anna Davis was a client of this agency when she met Mark (through AFA), just like the women at DC events are actually clients of various local agencies.