rose professoratbrownuniversityfrom providence, row identify land and i would like to welcome hugo switzer and he teaches on gender studies. thank you both for joining us. tricia, i want to start with you. how do you think that--this is a question we've all been asking--how can somebody whose entire career and life was built around an ethical code, honor and integrity how can he breach the trust that he had built and put his entire career at risk? >> well, i mean, there's no question that those are ethical standards to which all humans strife, but rarely reach all the time. so of course this is a very visible flaming demise of his articulating these values. but i think we want to remember that humans are flawed and humans make mistakes, and when you couple that with the ways in which people get intoxicated with power, it's not unable to imagine that some would have these failings. i think we should be more--not make excuses but we should under that that's very likely to happen. >> jennifer: well, so i'm interested in the dynamic on this. hugo, you wrote a very it fascinating piece

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