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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comSat, 10 Dec 2016 01:57:28 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: irishjackmphttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/chester-pitts-calls-goodell-a-fraud-pash-a-consistent-turd/#comment-1048490
Sun, 01 May 2011 13:52:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1048490Both sides would dearly love to have the fans on their side in the Public Relations war.

Knowing this, with all of the dumb things coming out of the players mouths lately, why do I have the overwhelming feeling that Goddell, behind closed doors, is telling the owners “just keep quiet fellas the players are doing all of the work for us”.

“It would be unlawful for the owners to bring in replacements in this situation.

“That can only occur when there is a strike and a union. In this case, there is neither.”

Unlawful? This ain’t Perry Mason, dude – it’s the real world. Of course it’s not unlawful to bring in other players. So long as they honor existing contracts, the owners can bring in whomever they want.

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When i say they, i mean the individual teams. Do you care to elaborate why i am incorrect?

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 23:39:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042850And one day when rodger the turd has you in his office and your paychecks are at risk remember today

Sooner all later the games will start and aholes like this will get fined or busted and oh well then it will be up to Rodger the turd to set things right

It would be unlawful for the owners to bring in replacements in this situation.

That can only occur when there is a strike and a union. In this case, there is neither.

]]>By: Debhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/chester-pitts-calls-goodell-a-fraud-pash-a-consistent-turd/#comment-1042657
Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:50:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042657No matter which way you lean in this thing, if you’re being honest, you’ll admit Goodell is an ineffective commissioner who routinely pushes policies fans do not support saying “the fans want this.” When the labor dispute is resolved, it would be better for league harmony if he resigned.
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:32:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042621Pitt…the Seahawks were the fraud last year in the playoffs. Should not have been there so you very well may know something about the term ‘fraud’.
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:04:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042533Finfan68 says it best: you can’t simultaneously argue that the union is only seeking leverage via decertification and that said decertification isn’t a sham.

You cannot have it both ways. If it’s merely a negotiating ploy, than it’s a sham. If the union is being genuine and really wants to kill the draft etc., then I think it’s pretty clear who true fans ought to support.

Lastly, just to make a point about being a man: if you are going to hold a gun to someone’s head, you had better mean it. If it’s “leverage” you seek then you are lower than the lowest scum.

Bring on the replacements.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:28:16 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042467smacklayer says:
Like anything they want now that there is no CBA to constrain them.

Smacklayer, I’m afraid you don’t get it. The anti-trust laws would constrain them from doing any of the things you suggested.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:25:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042462@eaglebobby
Some of you are really ignorant and have no clue.

1. EITHER the owners OR the players could have withdrawn from the CBA early. That it was the owners that decided to do it has led to a lot of people bashing only the owners. How would those same people have felt if the players had done it?

2. What is it with these players and the namecalling? That is so juvenile and so petty. Chester Pitts, I’m pretty sure was on IR last year anyway if not out of the league completely, cut by Seattle.

3. If the players aren’t trying to kill the draft for the future, why hasn’t Smith and his cronies come out and said it? And for all of you with the argument that “baseball is okay…”, baseball has a draft and they also have a 162 game schedule–not a 16 game schedule where players would make more difference.

4. Its strange that when the owners withdrew from the CBA early, the players were saying how they’d agree to play this season under the current CBA–now they’re saying that all the player acquisition protocol–something THESE players have consistently agreed to over the years, are now all illegal under antitrust rules.

5. I wonder haow many of you actually followed the NFL before 1993–the Cowboys, Vikings, Rams, Cards, and Skins, 49ers in the NFC and the Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Steelers, Broncos in the AFC were the only teams that consistently made the playoffs. With no player acquisition rules in place, you’d see the big market and popular teams attract all the big name players–the Cowboys, Skins, Pats, Giants, Jets, maybe the Steelers and Eagles would rule the NFL. The small market teams would have a hrd time competing in that environment. Plus, only 5% of the players or the big money superstars would be making millions, while the supporting cast would be making pennies in comparison–there wouldn’t be any floor–meaning teams could pay as little as they want–and wouldn’t be any ceiling on what they would pay players.

6. Why hasn’t Smith come out and said their aim is not to destory the draft and FA rules? In every interview he’s conducted and the question asked, he’s danced around it.

7. Why, if they are clear cut winners in court, do they need additional leverage?

8. And finally, if they get their way, it’ll be the fams that pay for the new CBA. Player costs and benefits will go up, which means ticket prices, tv subscription prices, and everything associated with those things will go up. Right now, it costs a family of 4 approximately $400 on ONE Sunday to attend a game–parking, concessions, tickets, the smallest soft drinks, 4 hot dogs, a program and 4 hats. And if you think I’m joking, 2 1/2 years ago I took my middle daughter to an Eagles game–we spent $190 for two tickets–we got two small diet cokes for $5.00 each, and we spent $5.50 each for two hot dogs–a program was $10.00 each, and parking was $25.00. So that was $246 for two of us.

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The owners are the ones who walked away- there’s no need for me to examine how I’d have felt if the players had.
There’s no reason to let the owners off the hook on the draft yet.
This ain’t McDonald’s, the product is the players and if you think all the concession prices were set by the NFLPA you’re sadly mistaken. The only difference is how much of that money goes in Lurie’s pocket instead of the players.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:25:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042461Well, no one will ever have the chance to say “Chester Pitts, what a classy guy” now.
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:24:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042460smacklayer says:
Apr 27, 2011 2:42 PM
It is painfully obvious that the players do not want to get rid of the draft, the league minimus, benefits, or anything else that is part of the previous CBAs. NONE have come out and say that is what they want. This shows exactly that the decertification and lawsuits are all just leverage plays and a means to get a better CBA for them.

BUT, this is quickly evoling in to a “be careful what you wish for” type situation. It seems like the NFLPA has overplayed their cards with this. They are playing the nuclear option and it may very well work.

HOWEVER, although the league “appears” to be disoriented right now, be sure that they have all contingency plans covered. They knew this would possibly happen. And don’t be surprised if the owner play their own nuclear card or have something else up their sleeve.
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You have made a fatal flaw in your argument.

1) Many players are not aware of the lawyer’s strategy (ie. attacking the draft, etc). Steven Jackson called it an outright lie because he didn’t know what was going on. Other players have come out earlier in the offseason calling the league liars without realizing that they just weren’t important enough to be informed by their own side of what was going on.

2) Since they decertified it doesn’t matter what the players think as they don’t have a voice in the proceedings. If the lawyers decide to take this all the way to the end, the players have to live with the results.

When it comes to the future of their own careers most of the players have their heads in the sand.

]]>By: howboutthemtexanshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/chester-pitts-calls-goodell-a-fraud-pash-a-consistent-turd/#comment-1042455
Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:20:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042455Chester got on local radio here in Houston a while back, and all the guy could do was try and place full blame on the owners, and any time anyone, including show hosts, tried to suggest the players shared in a good part of the blame and were maybe being unreasonable on certain points, he did his best to turn it around and shield the players and the NFLPA* from any sort of liability in this mess.

It was just overtly political, and one of the most disgusting things I’ve had the misfortune to listen to since this shebacle got going. It really got me leaning towards the owners, and the past couple weeks have only kept pushing me away from neutrality.

TL;DR: Shut your ass, Chester.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:13:01 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042442manderson367 says:
Apr 27, 2011 2:38 PM
How would the players would react if the owners started calling them names? If you lack the intelligence to make a valid argument, resort to name calling. Sad.

Never buying a jersey of an active player again. I’ll buy a legacy jersey to support my team.

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Remember how big an issue the media made of a supposed “fist bump” of Jerry Jones? Yet the players have no problem calling the league and commissioner whatever derogatory names they feel like.

If they were called even one of the names they’ve been calling the owners/league they’d be doing a fullcourt press crying about the lack of respect.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:00:06 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042403Stop it with the players are “attacking” the draft. This isn’t a chicken and egg argument. How many of the owners draft people for their other businesses? When you come out of college, if you’ve worked hard enough and are lucky you get offers! Doctors, Lawyers, teachers and MBA’s get them. That’s free enterprise.

You really think that ALL of the owners want the draft because of “competitive balance? Owners can’t trust themselves and the draft has been legal because it’s part of the CBA. The players in a prior contract actually bargained free agency back to the owners.

The antitrust lawsuit is a bargaining chip, just like the 18 game schedule. Man if Goodell said that the moon was made of cheese some of you guys would believe it.

You don’t see Jerry Jones calling De Smith any names or Jerry Richardson saying Kessler is s consistant fraud…I know they may in private or whatever, but they are smart enough to know that childish namecalling is pathetic.

The players have made this personal and that is what’s really sorry and petty.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:53:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042380Chester Pitts….? Last time I saw him he was doing an ad for the Superbowl…not playing in one
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:50:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042376@tommyf15 says: “Like what?”

Like anything they want now that there is no CBA to constrain them. A few things that come to my mind are cancelling the season, cancelling benefits, having a 20 game season, having full pad practices everday from now until forever, requireing very difficult performance benchmarks, having full blood tests for drugs twice a day, etc.

If the owners wanted to, they could make being an NFL football player a VERY bad profession. They obvciously don’t want to do this because they are looking at the game as whole are trying to protect it. Be the more and more you push them and the more you force them in to bad business decisions, there will be a snapping point.

I don’t understand how people can criticize the owner for walking away from the previous CBA — they had the right to do so. …

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You are partially right. Yes they had the negotiated right to opt out. But since they chose to exercise that right they must be held fully accountable for the effects of that choice. And that effect is a labor war.

The opting out owners attempt to make the players look like the bad guys is a giant fraud and insults the intelligence of anyone with an IQ over 85.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:44:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042363Btw, why is it that so many people here who are lined up against the players in the name of the “free market” all of a sudden want to keep things like the draft, the salary cap, and profit sharing – all of which fly in the face of free market capitalism?

Hypocrites.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:41:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042357A consistent turd? I have to say that made me lol. Ha ha ha, great insult.
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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:39:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042345Some of you are really ignorant and have no clue.

1. EITHER the owners OR the players could have withdrawn from the CBA early. That it was the owners that decided to do it has led to a lot of people bashing only the owners. How would those same people have felt if the players had done it?

2. What is it with these players and the namecalling? That is so juvenile and so petty. Chester Pitts, I’m pretty sure was on IR last year anyway if not out of the league completely, cut by Seattle.

3. If the players aren’t trying to kill the draft for the future, why hasn’t Smith and his cronies come out and said it? And for all of you with the argument that “baseball is okay…”, baseball has a draft and they also have a 162 game schedule–not a 16 game schedule where players would make more difference.

4. Its strange that when the owners withdrew from the CBA early, the players were saying how they’d agree to play this season under the current CBA–now they’re saying that all the player acquisition protocol–something THESE players have consistently agreed to over the years, are now all illegal under antitrust rules.

5. I wonder haow many of you actually followed the NFL before 1993–the Cowboys, Vikings, Rams, Cards, and Skins, 49ers in the NFC and the Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, Steelers, Broncos in the AFC were the only teams that consistently made the playoffs. With no player acquisition rules in place, you’d see the big market and popular teams attract all the big name players–the Cowboys, Skins, Pats, Giants, Jets, maybe the Steelers and Eagles would rule the NFL. The small market teams would have a hrd time competing in that environment. Plus, only 5% of the players or the big money superstars would be making millions, while the supporting cast would be making pennies in comparison–there wouldn’t be any floor–meaning teams could pay as little as they want–and wouldn’t be any ceiling on what they would pay players.

6. Why hasn’t Smith come out and said their aim is not to destory the draft and FA rules? In every interview he’s conducted and the question asked, he’s danced around it.

7. Why, if they are clear cut winners in court, do they need additional leverage?

8. And finally, if they get their way, it’ll be the fams that pay for the new CBA. Player costs and benefits will go up, which means ticket prices, tv subscription prices, and everything associated with those things will go up. Right now, it costs a family of 4 approximately $400 on ONE Sunday to attend a game–parking, concessions, tickets, the smallest soft drinks, 4 hot dogs, a program and 4 hats. And if you think I’m joking, 2 1/2 years ago I took my middle daughter to an Eagles game–we spent $190 for two tickets–we got two small diet cokes for $5.00 each, and we spent $5.50 each for two hot dogs–a program was $10.00 each, and parking was $25.00. So that was $246 for two of us.

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:33:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042336joey49er says:
Heres another good example why unions are a joke!!! nfl this is a good thing only to be destroyed by greedy employees!!!!! they bankrupt any buisness they sink their teeth into!! gm bankrupt,chrysler bankrupt,city schools bankrupt,steel workers bankrupt,soon to be nfl will stand for =not for long!!!unions should be happy now.lol

I don’t think this poster likes unions very much, so he should be happy.

Very happy.

Let me explain:

1. The players no longer want to have a union, and according to the judge’s ruling they no longer are a union.

2. The owners were every bit as much a union as the players…until yesterday. Now they must operate as separate entities, and may no longer be unified.

And Chester Pitts is a fat ass moron who could just as easily be a fry cook super sizing my fry’s. Really, talk about idiotic comments and biting the hand that buys your mansions and lifestyle. Somebody post this guys Wundelic scores. I’m betting lower teens.
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says the guy who can’t spell Wonderlic… lol

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Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:20:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127533#comment-1042309Maybe the owners can just say Ok, you guys can make your own reservations for your flights to the games along with paying your hotel and food bills.

Getting to the and from the games from your hotel and the field and back to the airport. Get your NFLPA to cover your benefits when you have concussions or tear an ACL, break your arm or your neck.

Just sit down and get it done w/o the big a-holes shooting off their gums.