Yay! Another huge exercise in rationalization and hypotheticals to avoid giving credit to Tebow for anything.

You know what is kind of funny about you not agreeing with what he is saying there, had there not been a lock out Denver would have had more time to trade Orton like they wanted to and hand the keys to over to Tebow from the start.

Yay! Another huge exercise in rationalization and hypotheticals to avoid giving credit to Tebow for anything.

I'm not avoiding anything. Merely pointing out there may be other factors than just Orton sucking in being 1-4. None of that has anything to do with tebow. The fact you combine it to think its not giving him credit is ridiculous. I give him credit on the raider Viking steeler games. But those other games the defense won them plain and simple. You do not win in this league by scoring under 20 a game WITHOUT a defense. Does not happen. Never will. This is like giving Dilfer all the credit for a Ravens Super Bowl seauson.

The problem some on here have is they look at this team emotionally instead of logically......

Look at how some on here acted over a premier QB free agent being wooed by other teams as well as our own favorite. b****ing and moaning over **** they had no control over....and now they look like a bunch of whiners and cry babies over it.....

Fast forward to the signing of Manning and trade of Tebow.....again, we had people on here crying and b****ing and moaning.....

I mean honestly...it's one thing to be critical...it's another to call the entire organization classless because they may get rid of a player you like. The greatest Broncos player of all time has been labelled all kinds of derogatory names by those very people ...and for what?

For acquiring the best FA ever available since Reggie White?

For getting rid of a QB they weren't married to, or saw as part of their vision for this team's future?

For trying to bring back the same kind of excitement he use to create back in the days he was our starter?

How misguided are those that wanted Tebow over Manning? They still defend him every chance they can despite his immense flaws while poo-pooing this current team by pointing out their much smaller flaws.

Elway himself said it best...there are Broncos fans...and then there are Tebow fans. This thread exposed who was who in my opinion.

The problem some on here have is they look at this team emotionally instead of logically......

Look at how some on here acted over a premier QB free agent being wooed by other teams as well as our own favorite. b****ing and moaning over **** they had no control over....and now they look like a bunch of whiners and cry babies over it.....

Fast forward to the signing of Manning and trade of Tebow.....again, we had people on here crying and b****ing and moaning.....

I mean honestly...it's one thing to be critical...it's another to call the entire organization classless because they may get rid of a player you like. The greatest Broncos player of all time has been labelled all kinds of derogatory names by those very people ...and for what?

For acquiring the best FA ever available since Reggie White?

For getting rid of a QB they weren't married to, or saw as part of their vision for this team's future?

For trying to bring back the same kind of excitement he use to create back in the days he was our starter?

How misguided are those that wanted Tebow over Manning? They still defend him every chance they can despite his immense flaws while poo-pooing this current team by pointing out their much smaller flaws.

Elway himself said it best...there are Broncos fans...and then there are Tebow fans. This thread exposed who was who in my opinion.

"It was a tough situation," Elway said, "There are Tebow fans and there are Broncos fans. My responsibility is to the Broncos fans, and my responsibility is to (owner) Pat Bowlen and what he wants to do, and that's win championships. I base all my decisions on that."

The tebowers were in full on desperation. They really screwed up this website when that crappy qb was here. The Jets forum was smart: stuck them in their own little sandbox so they couldn't destroy every thread.

Sometimes people miss these threads. I remember a few years ago there was one of these I didn't vote on. I don't remember the subject matter, but I honestly didn't see it.

that's probably true if we give people the benefit of the doubt....however another reason (just as probable given the way the Mane is) might have been they talked about their concerns or just plain trashed Manning and defended Tebow but didn't want their name on the record in case what happened actually happened.

There's also some who wanted to keep both. Or even neither. Those options weren't viable (well I guess neither was), but it could prevent votes.

Not totally on topic, but I am SO grateful the Teboners are gone with all their stupid conspiracy theories and relentless finger pointing at literally every person on the Broncos organization and beyond for every single problem Tebow had.

Looking at that list I am surprised by some of the names and where they fell on the list.

I wasn't surprised at all.......there were some who chose Manning despite having defended Tebow prior to Manning being released by the Colts, because they're not ignorant to the fact Manning was a huge improvement over Tebow.

The die hard Tebow fans however, did every thing they could to trash Elway, Manning, Fox etc. to defend their boy Timmy.

Sometimes people miss these threads. I remember a few years ago there was one of these I didn't vote on. I don't remember the subject matter, but I honestly didn't see it.

Touché. And there will be polls and I just don't vote. But as hot a topic as that would have been last offseason, I'm sure the note able absent T posters on here conveyed there thoughts in the thread and just didn't vote.

I voted on a ESPN? poll that I wanted Peyton in San Francisco. With a real defense and running game, something Peyton never really had consistently in Indy, I thought they could have been an even more dominant force....

But... I am ecstatic that Peyton is in Denver and this is a wonderful organization and a really really good young team. I hope Peyton plays out his contract and Denver dominates the NFL. But just by looking at my vote for San Fran people would have been upset, which is why I don't usually partake in polls. It really doesn't give your thought process behind a decision.

I wasn't surprised at all.......there were some who chose Manning despite having defended Tebow prior to Manning being released by the Colts, because they're not ignorant to the fact Manning was a huge improvement over Tebow.

The die hard Tebow fans however, did every thing they could to trash Elway, Manning, Fox etc. to defend their boy Timmy.

Touché. And there will be polls and I just don't vote. But as hot a topic as that would have been last offseason, I'm sure the note able absent T posters on here conveyed there thoughts in the thread and just didn't vote.

I voted on a ESPN? poll that I wanted Peyton in San Francisco. With a real defense and running game, something Peyton never really had consistently in Indy, I thought they could have been an even more dominant force....

But... I am ecstatic that Peyton is in Denver and this is a wonderful organization and a really really good young team. I hope Peyton plays out his contract and Denver dominates the NFL. But just by looking at my vote for San Fran people would have been upset, which is why I don't usually partake in polls. It really doesn't give your thought process behind a decision.

Looking at that list I didn't vote but I have always been on board with Manning. I am pretty smart like that.