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Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

I kind of felt like that was what we were doing with the Jalen trade, re-building without re-building.

That trade was good short term, but not so good long term.

Maybe we can have better luck the second go around.........

Thats actually what I had in mind when I said rebuilding. I don't think we'll be in the lottery. I just think with the players we'll get back it will probably take us a couple years to get back to championship caliber again.

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Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

I think we all knew he wasn't a good second option on a championship contender and we now know he's not a 3rd option either on a championship caliber team because he needs so many shots to get his points.

Guys I have a feeling we are about to see this team blow up. I would not be surprised to see a Jamal Tinsley, Steven Jackson , David Harrison or Freddie Jones involved in any deal that includes Ron Artest.If there not shipped with Artest then I expect at least 3 of them to be on different teams before the trade deadline. In a sense I think were in rebuilding mode again.

If the trade is for youth, Donnie/Larry have given up championship hopes.
Otherwise you would fill in a veteran to help us get back to that level.
I do not think we are anywhere close to a championship team right now
and that between now and End of Summer we will be looking at a completly different team. Jack/Tins/DH are for sure going, Pollard will be gone as a FA.

Question becomes do you want to once again try to build a team around JO?
or do you completly start over.

Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

Maybe re-stocking, but rebuilding would imply that we're going to trade all of these guys for lottery picks or projects.

If these other guys are involved, we'll get pieces that are *at least* ready to play and *should* fit together nicely.

This is like a puzzle, and since you can't trade Ron for a puzzle piece shaped just like Ron, its going to take a creative solution.

Jermaniac - I've got to agree solidly with your point as well. The outcome of this trade/ these trades is that this may no longer be a good match with Rick (it probably wasn't a good match with Rick in the first place).

With Ron, our "window" was never really this season anyway. Now, once these moves are made, we need to be thinking of making a deep playoff run next season, not having the best possible record in January 2006. So we need a coach that's willing to live with some rough spots while the young players we've got develop. (And we're going to need the same attitude from our fans - none of us 'get rid of Ron' advocates promised that it would be a smooth transition, just that it would be better in the long run.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

Jermaniac - I've got to agree solidly with your point as well. The outcome of this trade/ these trades is that this may no longer be a good match with Rick (it probably wasn't a good match with Rick in the first place).

With Ron, our "window" was never really this season anyway. Now, once these moves are made, we need to be thinking of making a deep playoff run next season, not having the best possible record in January 2006. So we need a coach that's willing to live with some rough spots while the young players we've got develop. (And we're going to need the same attitude from our fans - none of us 'get rid of Ron' advocates promised that it would be a smooth transition, just that it would be better in the long run.

Of course a key may be management telling Carlisle what is expected (and more importantly, what is not expected).

Last year was about winning each game to keep the team in contention for the fans (IMHO) and nothing else. No thought about the future at all. This year was to be 'the future'. We'd tread water, apply band-aids, win for Reggie as best we could, and just get the thing thru the season and be ready to aim for this season (which was simply last season delayed).

But if management decides we are at all in a rebuilding mode then IF they tell Carlisle they don't care as much about wins 'this year' as developing young talent for next year, could he do it? Would the existing players fall in line?

Or is Carlisle never the right coach for developing young talent or seeing potential?

-Bball

Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

Re: Pacers better get some inside scoring for Artest

The topic of this thread was never more obvious than tonight.

Oh, and somebody who can block out and get a freakin' defensive board.

The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).
I'm (maybe) back after being repetedly banned, merely for supporting a different NFL team than do certain forum moderators.