The specs are DOUBLE the London.
They're probably not going to give us the chance to choose between this or the London at launch.
If I buy a Nexus 4 for example, I'm pretty confident that they aren't going to to surprise me with a 8-core Nexus this June.

You're right, it's actually simpler.

You buy it or you don't.

It's a smartphone you're buying here. Not deciding whether or not to donate a kidney.

You're confusing CPU with GPU. There are already multiple phones out in the market that are already capable of displaying 1080p through external screens. The US Samsung S3 can display 1080p through HDMI, and the US S3 is dual core. iPhone 4S is capable of outputting 1080p. There are 2 generations of iPads with dual core CPU's that are capable of much higher resolution than 1080p. The limiting factor is the screen, not the CPU, or even the GPU in some cases.

I am not confusing anything, my point was that dual-core and the gpu in it works just fine to power the 720p display in the imminent bb10 devices, the quad-core processors have newer and higher performing gpus that would improve the overall user experience when powering a 1080p display for everything and not simply video or whatever out via hdmi, but there is no inherent reason why they would be needed before then other than for the sake of chasing specs.

CM10.1 isn't stable and official stock 4.2 is fast. Fast as in: If everyone says BB10 is fast, you guys would be the first in line with torches and pitchforks if someone told you they found it slow. Well guess what? Everyone says 4.2 is fast. But the same doesnt apply now right? Ah. I see.

I don't own any pitchforks or torches. I've already said on these forums that I think the S III is a great device. My point is that the poster experienced lag on an android device...not an unheard of experience. If you disagree then that works but to suggest they are making it up because their experience doesn't match yours is silly.

I don't own any pitchforks or torches. I've already said on these forums that I think the S III is a great device. My point is that the poster experienced lag on an android device...not an unheard of experience. If you disagree then that works but to suggest they are making it up because their experience doesn't match yours is silly.

It's far from silly, in this case skepticism is quite rational.

When someone claims to be running an unreleased OS, then when challenged explains that it was actually a custom ROM (which was later replaced by stock ROM)
When someone claims to have gone through not just two, but three of the same device
When someone claims slow performance of the S3, contradicting just about every review on the web, not to mention personal experience

Taken indvidually, each of those points above is somewhat improbable but still believable. However taken together you have to multiply the probabilities and the story comes out to be rather implausible. And when you take into consideration that these claims are made on a a fansite where wilful misinformation is rampant for the sake of cheerleading, well Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation. Some skepticism is definitely in order. I would like some proof of these actions that are "slow" on the GS3.

Regardless of platform, if you buy generation one hardware/software you are accepting that more than any later iteration you are going to buy something that might be quickly outmoded by a next generation as a company tries to quickly react with what works and what doesn't work - and you will pay a premium to do so.
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When someone claims to be running an unreleased OS, then when challenged explains that it was actually a custom ROM (which was later replaced by stock ROM)
When someone claims to have gone through not just two, but three of the same device
When someone claims slow performance of the S3, contradicting just about every review on the web, not to mention personal experience

Taken indvidually, each of those points above is somewhat improbable but still believable. However taken together you have to multiply the probabilities and the story comes out to be rather implausible. And when you take into consideration that these claims are made on a a fansite where wilful misinformation is rampant for the sake of cheerleading, well Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation. Some skepticism is definitely in order. I would like some proof of these actions that are "slow" on the GS3.

I know three people with an S III and one of them complains about lag. She is returning it for an iphone 5.

Sorry if this has been covered but, will the Bold and Curve names still be used for new models? What is the L/N Series expected to equate to? Bold or Curve?

We can't be sure at this point, sticking with older names such as Torch and Bold (for L and N) would be beneficial for brand recognition, but they might want a complete break to more clearly indicate the change being made with the move to bb10 especially with the all-touch model.

I think the Bold and Curve names might actually survive the move to bb10 since those are clearly defined and with less negative connotations than there are with the all-touch models.

Rim has said they are not in a spec race...and with good reason. BlackBoard10 is running nicely on the dev alpha hardware as it is.

Why get into a spec race when you have an OS as efficient as QNX?

Sure there will be newer more powerful devices from RIM in the future but as they said they are not in a spec race. With that coming from the CEO's mouth,I wouldn't expect it.

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While I agree experience is much more important than specs, what worries me is that I have heard this before. I remember podcasts from OS5 and OS6 days and it was claimed on them the hardware was not as high of specs because of how efficient the blackberry OS is. The iphone was already out and bb was just a java os. I just hope its not another excuse by calling qnx so efficient and that its not about specs

As was mentioned before, the usual launch cycle of Blackberry is the fall of the year. (Remember we were all speculating on 10/10 for the 10?) My crystal ball says the Aristo will come out in the fall 2013, to fit with the 2013 holiday buying season. That is all.

What if the L-Series (BB10 London) is the 'mysterious' Aristo, minus the quad-core and the ridiculous 2800mAh battery. Because the Rest of the spec's on that device aren't that impossible, a lot of devices in the market have these specifications it's just unusual to see on a blackberry.

The specs are DOUBLE the London.
They're probably not going to give us the chance to choose between this or the London at launch.
If I buy a Nexus 4 for example, I'm pretty confident that they aren't going to to surprise me with a 8-core Nexus this June.

LOL. Simple......wait and no shenanigans!! Also, whether you wait or not, the Nexus 4 will only become tempting if that is what you truly want.

I cant wait to see this phone and it should be the new flagship device. I would imagine this will not be a cheap phone when it does drop and I will be highly disappointed if the aristo is P'9981 style priced. Doesn't seem to make sense if RIM is loosing money and trying to market a completely un-attainable phone.

When someone claims to be running an unreleased OS, then when challenged explains that it was actually a custom ROM (which was later replaced by stock ROM)
When someone claims to have gone through not just two, but three of the same device
When someone claims slow performance of the S3, contradicting just about every review on the web, not to mention personal experience

Taken indvidually, each of those points above is somewhat improbable but still believable. However taken together you have to multiply the probabilities and the story comes out to be rather implausible. And when you take into consideration that these claims are made on a a fansite where wilful misinformation is rampant for the sake of cheerleading, well Occam's razor suggests the simpler explanation. Some skepticism is definitely in order. I would like some proof of these actions that are "slow" on the GS3.

I have yet to encounter lag on my sgs3 (either my red or blue one) with 9 home screens running 12 widgets on top of everything else.

Of course, I don't have a mythical 4.2 release, just stock with apex.

Methinks the poster didn't have it set up properly and it was user error... Or does that excuse only work to cover BB issues?

if it bothers you that much wait a while to see if they announce the a-series.
but i do not agree they should make it available at launch. they need to focus on getting the l series right. all others can wait because a negative reception for the l series means we wont see an a series