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Today In History. What Happened This Day In History | euzicasaSun, 01 Feb 2015 13:38:55 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-3595098[...] U.S. Rangers and Filipino guerrillas rescue 513 American survivors of the Bataan Death March. [...][...] U.S. Rangers and Filipino guerrillas rescue 513 American survivors of the Bataan Death March. [...]
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This Day In History | SomTribune | Daily Horn News & UpdatesSun, 01 Feb 2015 05:04:41 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-3593532[...] U.S. Rangers and Filipino guerrillas rescue 513 American survivors of the Bataan Death March. [...][...] U.S. Rangers and Filipino guerrillas rescue 513 American survivors of the Bataan Death March. [...]
]]>By: Mikehttp://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-1195770
MikeTue, 25 Jun 2013 12:36:07 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-1195770There is a book, Fighting for MacArthur, which describes the activities of Navy and Marine Corps personnel in the defense of the Philippines. The 4th Marines in Shanghai had no facilities in which to train for combat. When it arrived in the Philippines it was understrength, 800 men in 2 battalions. They were put on Corregidor because the leaders in the Philippines, Army and Navy, felt they would not be effective ground troops. The Marines on Bataan were in either an air warning unit or in the USAFFE guard. Marines were assigned as the USAFFE guard so that an Army infantry battalion, which had been the USAFFE guard, could be put on the front line. The Marines in the Philippines were not significant to the defense of Bataan.There is a book, Fighting for MacArthur, which describes the activities of Navy and Marine Corps personnel in the defense of the Philippines. The 4th Marines in Shanghai had no facilities in which to train for combat. When it arrived in the Philippines it was understrength, 800 men in 2 battalions. They were put on Corregidor because the leaders in the Philippines, Army and Navy, felt they would not be effective ground troops. The Marines on Bataan were in either an air warning unit or in the USAFFE guard. Marines were assigned as the USAFFE guard so that an Army infantry battalion, which had been the USAFFE guard, could be put on the front line. The Marines in the Philippines were not significant to the defense of Bataan.
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Jeff LowryThu, 09 May 2013 00:17:14 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-1099827Marines? Support unit? The 4th Marine Regiment is an infantry regiment. Not only was the average age and physical shape better in the Corps than in Army units there, but EVERY Marine is trained to be an infantryman before anything else. In those days to become a Marine pilot, you had to serve as an infantry officer for TWO years before you would be considered! Not to mention that the 4th had just returned from China where they had already encountered the Japanese and KNEW what could be expected of them.Marines? Support unit? The 4th Marine Regiment is an infantry regiment. Not only was the average age and physical shape better in the Corps than in Army units there, but EVERY Marine is trained to be an infantryman before anything else. In those days to become a Marine pilot, you had to serve as an infantry officer for TWO years before you would be considered! Not to mention that the 4th had just returned from China where they had already encountered the Japanese and KNEW what could be expected of them.
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Glenn Stewart IIIThu, 18 Aug 2011 19:05:14 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-698633Your words are amazing. May I ask who you are?
I am the grandson of Glenn Stewart. I met Roy Weaver several times when I was younger, is he still alive?
I am in the Army now serving as a Warrant Officer flying helicopters. One of the schools I had to attend for flight school was S.E.R.E (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape)
While in solitary confinement, and during the physical abuse portions I would constantly think about what my "Papaw" went through. He did it for almost 4 years, I can definitely get through the next 4 days......
The men who fought in that war were in every sense of the word "Men". I miss my Papaw very much and think of him daily. I hope that if I'm ever faced with the things he was faced with, I can perform half as well as he and the others like him did.
CW2 Glenn E. Stewart IIIYour words are amazing. May I ask who you are?
I am the grandson of Glenn Stewart. I met Roy Weaver several times when I was younger, is he still alive?
I am in the Army now serving as a Warrant Officer flying helicopters. One of the schools I had to attend for flight school was S.E.R.E (Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape)
While in solitary confinement, and during the physical abuse portions I would constantly think about what my "Papaw" went through. He did it for almost 4 years, I can definitely get through the next 4 days……
The men who fought in that war were in every sense of the word "Men". I miss my Papaw very much and think of him daily. I hope that if I'm ever faced with the things he was faced with, I can perform half as well as he and the others like him did.

CW2 Glenn E. Stewart III

]]>By: Mikehttp://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553491
MikeSun, 08 May 2011 18:35:24 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553491I say again, the ratio to soldiers to marines on the Death March was 200 to 300 to 1. At the outset of the Death March, just from numbers, if a prisoner were to die, the odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier.
Japanese guards executed prisoners. If a guard picked a prisoner for execution, odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier, not a marine.
It is not at all remarkable that not 1 marine died on the Death March. It was mostly a function of, not many Marines made the Death March.
Mr. Urwin never mentions that in his article.I say again, the ratio to soldiers to marines on the Death March was 200 to 300 to 1. At the outset of the Death March, just from numbers, if a prisoner were to die, the odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier.

Japanese guards executed prisoners. If a guard picked a prisoner for execution, odds were 200 to 300 to 1 it would be a soldier, not a marine.

It is not at all remarkable that not 1 marine died on the Death March. It was mostly a function of, not many Marines made the Death March.

Mr. Urwin never mentions that in his article.

]]>By: Mikehttp://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553487
MikeSun, 08 May 2011 18:31:30 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-553487See my comments on the ratio of soldiers to marines on the Bataan death march.
The ratio of soldiers to marines was 200 to 300 to 1. From the outset, the odds of a death being a soldier rather than a marine was 200-300 to 1.
One cause of death was Japanese guards killing a prisoner. The odds were 200 to 300 to 1 that if a guard decided to kill a prisoner, it would be a soldier.
It is not at all remarkable that not one marine died on the Bataan Death March.
Most of the Marines in the Philippines were in the 4th Marine Regiment. Contrary to some claims, the 4th Marines did not fight on Bataan. They remained on Corregidor during the defense of Bataan. When Corregidor surrendered, the Death March was over.See my comments on the ratio of soldiers to marines on the Bataan death march.

The ratio of soldiers to marines was 200 to 300 to 1. From the outset, the odds of a death being a soldier rather than a marine was 200-300 to 1.

One cause of death was Japanese guards killing a prisoner. The odds were 200 to 300 to 1 that if a guard decided to kill a prisoner, it would be a soldier.

It is not at all remarkable that not one marine died on the Bataan Death March.

Most of the Marines in the Philippines were in the 4th Marine Regiment. Contrary to some claims, the 4th Marines did not fight on Bataan. They remained on Corregidor during the defense of Bataan. When Corregidor surrendered, the Death March was over.

]]>By: Mikehttp://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-548482
MikeWed, 04 May 2011 17:41:05 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-548482It is not at all remarkable that not one of the 650 American servicemen who died on the Bataan Death March was a Marine. There were fewer than 50 Marines who made the Death March, compared to 10,000 to 12,000 Soldiers. Statistically, at the outset, the chance that an American Death would be a Marine were less than 1 in 200 to to 1 in maybe 250.
All things being equal(and they were not - the Marines were in a support unit, not a front line combat unit) statistically one would expect that 3 Marines would have died. That might have been significant. It also might have been just random chance. Or it might have been that the Soldiers might have been in poorer condition because they were fighting a desperate battle lacking the logistical support to do so.It is not at all remarkable that not one of the 650 American servicemen who died on the Bataan Death March was a Marine. There were fewer than 50 Marines who made the Death March, compared to 10,000 to 12,000 Soldiers. Statistically, at the outset, the chance that an American Death would be a Marine were less than 1 in 200 to to 1 in maybe 250.

All things being equal(and they were not – the Marines were in a support unit, not a front line combat unit) statistically one would expect that 3 Marines would have died. That might have been significant. It also might have been just random chance. Or it might have been that the Soldiers might have been in poorer condition because they were fighting a desperate battle lacking the logistical support to do so.

]]>By: Grover Smithhttp://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-524421
Grover SmithWed, 13 Apr 2011 18:03:18 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-524421Note that all the Marines were infantry younger heather to begin with many of the Army were specialist , technical , medical , Army Nurses Surgeons Logistics Army Airman mechanics , often older men with specialized skill other than ground combat . . The only way to do a real comparison would be to break it down and compare Army infantry with Marine Infantry . There is a difference it the training and the mentality of Men trained to fight and those trained to serve in technical positions .. This is not to take away from Marines but you would have to examine by age and job description . The Army had a much higher average age due to the need for skilled technicians and mechanics than the Marines which relied on the Navy and the Army for most of their logistics , air cover , Medical care etc ...Note that all the Marines were infantry younger heather to begin with many of the Army were specialist , technical , medical , Army Nurses Surgeons Logistics Army Airman mechanics , often older men with specialized skill other than ground combat . . The only way to do a real comparison would be to break it down and compare Army infantry with Marine Infantry . There is a difference it the training and the mentality of Men trained to fight and those trained to serve in technical positions .. This is not to take away from Marines but you would have to examine by age and job description . The Army had a much higher average age due to the need for skilled technicians and mechanics than the Marines which relied on the Navy and the Army for most of their logistics , air cover , Medical care etc …
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Maurice A ChristieFri, 02 Oct 2009 20:11:58 +0000http://www.historynet.com/how-marine-pows-hung-tough.htm#comment-127357All the best from the son of Captive 1210All the best from the son of Captive 1210
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