Two Palestinians ‘killed’ in protests after UN Jerusalem vote (Update)

A Palestinian demonstrator hurls a stones towards Israeli troops during clashes at a protest

Israeli troops shot dead at least two Palestinians on Friday, a Gaza health official said, as protests intensified against Washington’s recognition of Jerusalem asIsrael‘s capital.

A UN General Assembly resolution passed on Thursday, rejecting US President Donald Trump’s Dec 6 Jerusalem declaration, did little to calm Palestinian anger over his reversal of decades-old US policy on the contested holy city.

Instead, thousands of Palestinian protesters, many of them throwing rocks, confronted Israeli security forces along the Gaza border fence, in all of occupied West Bank’s seven cities and in East Jerusalem.

In Bethlehem, the traditional birthplace of Jesus, smoke from burning tyres billowed in the street, just two days before Christmas celebrations.

Israeli gunfire killed two Palestinians in a confrontation in the southern Gaza Strip, a spokesman for the Palestinian health ministry said, putting the number of wounded at 40, half of them shot with live ammunition and the rest with rubber bullets. Others were overcome by tear gas.

In a statement, the Israeli military said some 2,000 Palestinians had faced off against the troops at the Gaza border fence. It said the crowd threw stones and rolled burning tyres at soldiers, who responded with “riot dispersal” measures and “fired live rounds selectively towards main instigators”.

Protesters chanted “Trump is a coward. Trump is a fool”. Among the wounded was a man dressed as Santa Claus.

Palestinian health officials said at least one Palestinian suffered a live bullet wound in the West Bank and some 30 protesters were hit by rubber bullets. The military, putting the number of demonstrators at about 1,700 and the injured at six, said troops faced firebombs, rocks and burning tyres.

Protests have been held daily since Trump’s announcement. On Thursday, the UN General Assembly approved a resolution calling for the United States to drop recognition of Jerusalem, a city revered by Jews, Muslims and Christians, as Israel‘s capital.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, in a Christmas message, called Trump’s move “an insult to millions of people worldwide, and also to the city of Bethlehem”.

“HOUSE OF LIES”

Israel considers Jerusalem its eternal and indivisible capital. Palestinians want the capital of an independent Palestinian state to be in the city’s eastern sector, which Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East War and annexed in a move never recognised internationally.

Most countries regard the status of Jerusalem as a matter to be settled in an eventual Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement, although that process is now stalled.

Nine countries voted against the UN resolution and 35 abstained. Twenty-one countries did not cast a vote.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for Gaza’s dominant Hamas Islamists, called the UN vote a defeat for Trump, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected it as “preposterous” and branded the UN a “house of lies”.

But Michael Oren, Israel‘s deputy minister for diplomacy, seemed to play down the support for the resolution shown by many countries Israel considers friends.

“We have an interest in tightening our bilateral relations with a long list of countries in the world, and expect and hope that one day, they will vote with us, or for us in the United Nations,” Oren said on Tel Aviv radio station 102 FM.

“But I am not prepared to suspend all cooperation with important countries, such as India,” he said. Netanyahu, who hosted Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in July, is due to visit New Delhi next month.

Friday’s deaths in Gaza raised to 10 the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli gunfire since Dec 6, Palestinian health officials said. Dozens of protesters have been wounded.

Gaza militants have also fired rockets into Israel, and two gunmen were killed in an Israeli air strike after one such attack. There have been no Israeli fatalities or significant injuries.

Amnesty International on Friday called on Israeli authorities to stop using “excessive force”.

“The fact that live ammunition has been used during protests in Gaza and the West Bank is particularly shocking,” it said.

In the run-up to the UN vote, Trump threatened to cut off financial aid to countries that supported the resolution. His warning appeared to have some impact, with more countries abstaining and rejecting the document than usually associated with Palestinian-related resolutions.

But most of the European Union, Israel‘s biggest trading partner, and countries such as Greece, Cyprus and India, with which Netanyahu has pursued closer relations and economic ties, backed the resolution.

“I prefer we have tight bilateral relations over a situation in which we don’t have close bilateral relations, and they vote in our favour in the United Nations,” Oren said, describing India’s vote as “certainly disappointing”.

Note the source of information: The Islamist warlords of HAAS. The very ones who called to spill blood in reaction to an announcement by the US president as required of him by the US Congress since 1995.

This story demonstrates more about the nature of HAMAS and its associated organisations such as Islamic Jihad and Fatah rather than about the State of Israel and its capital city of Jerusalem.

And yet, there are those who insist on veiling their eyes so that they will not face reality.

Plasma Dawn

Being evil or despicable doesn’t have to equate with being dishonest. Hamas have been quite truthful in their public statements.

NadavKatz

But, based on years, no, decades of observation it is clear that HAMAS, as incidentally Fatah, are both deceptive as well as liars.

Plasma Dawn

Not in this case.

NadavKatz

When I see more reliable reports and when I read about the context of what happened will I form my view, not before.

Plasma Dawn

Reports will never be reliable enough for you and Paranam Kid if they show your own side in a negative way or the other side in a positive way.

NadavKatz

Newspaper reports, by themselves, from whatever source, are not reliable enough for me. I form my views strictly on the basis of facts and reason. I am sorry you have problems with such an approach to facing reality.

Plasma Dawn

Unless you are personally in all places at all times, you cannot possibly form your views strictly on the basis of facts and reason and you need the media. Yours are empty words really meaning “I pick and choose what suits my agenda”. Once you start picking and choosing there’s only one way — down the slippery slope of self-manufactured alternate realities.

NadavKatz

I wish you pleasant reading of “narratives”, i.e. fictional stories. This discussion is over.

athessalonian

While this emotionally charged topic constitutes impartiality extremely difficult, I believe that the Palestinians could be utilizing their resources more effectively, than the thus far demonstrated manner, in their effort(s) to procure both beneficial to their cause compromises as well as peace with the Israelis. A process which will not evolve constructively through outbursts of violent protests fueled by emotions and guerrilla war technics but rather through persistent and compromising direct and or shuttle diplomacy. Until then and unfortunately so, human blood will continue being spilled while positions become deeper and further entrenched in hostility and animosity.

HighTide

If you want to negotiate a deal you have to acknowledge the existence of your partner. As long as Palestinians deny the existence of the State of Israel there is no chance for a settlement.
It’s not unlike the situation of the TRNC.

athessalonian

Very true. Yet we must acknowledge that not all Palestinians deny the existence of the State of Israel.

HighTide

At least those who hold an Israeli passport. But that’s neither here nor there. The majority still voted for the current leadership and the Hamas terrorists.

HighTide

Year review:
“Shin Bet Chief Nadav Argaman said on Sunday that the security agency has thwarted over 400 terror attacks in 2017, including 13 suicide attacks and 8 kidnappings, as well as 1,100 potential lone wolf attacks.”

athessalonian

Indeed I read this article on Ynet News as well. A somber indication of the magnitude of animosity, hatred and resentment that exists between the majority of Palestinians and Israelis and one which makes the notion of a negotiated peace settlement seem very improbable.

Anansi Tori

And the Israelis making peace with the Palestinians is not important, it is up to the Palestinians to make peace. Brainwashed by Hasbara.

Plasma Dawn

So anyone who disagrees with your worldview must be brainwashed by Hasbara… Well, this belief must be very beneficial for your self-preservation and mental stability by preventing an otherwise quite serious internal conflict caused by the realization that not everybody thinks like you or sees the world through your black and white eyes and the realization that they may, God forbid, have a mind of their own without having to be brainwashed by anyone—especially when they are neither Israeli nor Jewish nor American nor anti-Palestinian.

athessalonian

At the expense of appearing to be naïve, is this a rebuke?

Anansi Tori

It all depends on your definition of naive. Yes, it is a rebuke because you display that seemingly reasonable understanding of both sides, which in reality is only an understanding of the ziofascist side that has been peddled successfully as part of their sick, incessant Hasbara propaganda garbage.

Many people prefer to swallow that nonsense because the underlying “killer” argument put forward at each & every turn in that propaganda garbage is the Holocaust, that WW2 cataclysmic event in which some 12 million people were exterminated, but that has successfully been appropriated by only half (if that) of the people affected viz. the Jews, specifically the ziofascists.

Nobody, and certainly no nation, has dared to challenge the ziofascists’ claim of their “country’s” so-called “existential threat” from another potential Holocaust. Therefore the Palestinians have been successfully portrayed as the villains out to exterminate those poor Jews in the ziofascists state, when in reality it is the ziofascists who are doing the exterminating of the Palestinians.

In conclusion, your comments show you have swallowed the Hasbara garbage, unfortunately.It is time the Palestinian cause is taken up, that the ziofascists state is sanctioned severely until it buckles & realises it is NOT god’s gift to mankind & gives the Palestinians what is long overdue to them.

Evergreen

I agree with the contents in your second and third paragraphs.

athessalonian

Leaving aside the Holocaust, the Hasbara propaganda and all the expletives, would you kindly copy and paste in quotation marks the exact parts of my comment which merited your rebuke so that I may evaluate them, from your perspective that is, thus avoiding future repetition?

Plasma Dawn

Ha, ha, ha! If you remove all the expletives from his comments all you will be left with will be not much more than an amalgamation of pronouns, conjunctions, and punctuation marks…

HighTide

You are wasting your reasoned thoughts on paranoia.

athessalonian

Based on the unmerited -ve feedback I received, your viewpoint is becoming more apparent.

NadavKatz

I respect your perception that the Arabs seek peace with the Israelis. But, on what factual basis is your perception resting, if I may ask?

athessalonian

Assuming that by “Arabs” you mean the Palestinians, the only factual basis that I have at my disposal is the fact that they have come to the negotiations table on various occasions. By the way, in case you have not noticed, I, unlike you, always answer your questions as best as I can.

NadavKatz

Indeed, Arabs have come to the negotiating table, received peace offers, proposals, gestures and opportunities. They were even handed over the right to govern the Palestinian Authority and by so doing inject very dangerous elements into the country. But, each and every offer made to them, by both the international community or elements of that community and/or the State of Israel they rejected categorically, having pocketed the concessions made to them. Thus, my question is: Do they actually want peace….??

athessalonian

It appears that the answer I provided was adequate. Yet now, and having partially agreed with it, you reformulated the question in a way which constitutes answering it extremely difficult if not impossible. I believe that there must be some do actually want peace just as there are those who are not willing to make concessions and or compromises. As such this conflict will not be easily solved as long as it is fueled by the uncompromising of either side.

NadavKatz

Some may indeed, want peace, although I don’t know them or who they are. But the leadership of the Muslim-Arabs has never wanted to reach an accommodation of peaceful coexistence between Arab and Jew, between the liberal-democratic and sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people and the Muslim-Arab world, local and regional alike. Indeed, concessions and compromises must be made by sides in any negotiations. I am not aware of a single concession or compromise made by the Muslim-Arab leadership. And, I am fairly well aware of continuing breaking of signed treaties made with them, violating major aspects of the treaties. Being blind to such reality does not make it useful to ever pursue such an accommodation.

Plasma Dawn

What does “Palestinian ‘killed’ in anti-US protests” mean? Wasn’t he really killed? Who came up with this headline?

HighTide

Maybe ‘killed’ like ‘TRNC’?

SuzieQ

Yes–I couldn’t understand why killed is in inverted commas.

athessalonian

I believe the reason may be the fact that the source “a spokesman for the Palestinian health ministry” is not named.

SuzieQ

Oh, I see.

NadavKatz

Do you have any evidence of the killing? If HAMAS is your source, I suggest that you place your information within quotation marks.

Plasma Dawn

Au contraire, Haaretz is my source and they did not quote the word ‘killed’:

Two Palestinians were killed Friday in clashes with Israeli forces on the Gaza border. — Haaretz, Saturday, December 23, 2017.

NadavKatz

Haaretz has no independent reporters in Gaza. Their sources of information, as are other news organizations, is HAMAS.

Plasma Dawn

I see… So you seem to believe only what you see with your own two eyes (what about the moon landing?). If the news organizations are untrustworthy, what’s the point in reading CM or any other newspaper for that matter?

NadavKatz

No, I rely, as all people, on more reliable sources of information, HAMAS is certainly not part of those sources.

athessalonian

The title was also present in Israel National News as well as in the Jerusalem Post by Anna Ahronheim. In addition the names of the deceased were also published as being Zakaria Al-Kafarneh 24 years of age and Mohammed Nabil Muhaisen 29 years of age.

Plasma Dawn

How dare you steal what I was seconds away from posting?!

athessalonian

Didn’t mean to…

Plasma Dawn

NadavKatz is the yin of the Anansi Tori (a.k.a. Paranam Kid) yang. Their world is black and white and the other side doesn’t count, cannot be trusted with anything, and is evil incarnated.

athessalonian

It is, and unfortunately so, becoming more obvious as we interact at this place. A phenomenon I have observed in many other forae as well.

NadavKatz

The source of all the information has been HAMAS. I suggest that we are critical in reading the news, regardless of where it appears.

athessalonian

Are you therefore suggesting that, in being “critical,” we must therefore assume that the information is false? And besides, how can one possibly positively ascertain the accuracy of this information? Is the fact that it merited publication on reliable Israeli media sources not good enough?

NadavKatz

I have been trained to never rely on information that can’t be verified independently by other sources. I’d rather not form an idea in my mind at all as a substitute for unreliable information and especially since I have all the reasons to assume that information is injected into the media through some of the most unreliable sources, when the illegitimate motive is clear.

Plasma Dawn

…and I have all the reasons to assume that information injected by you through your comments is pure, unadulterated ultranationalist propaganda aimed at delegitimizing Palestinian aspirations to statehood in the occupied territories and inculcating the notion of a greater Israel.

NadavKatz

You are welcome to be critical of my views, so long as the criticism is carried out respectfully and based on facts and reason. Thank you again and good bye.

athessalonian

The article stated the Palestinian Health Ministry as being the source. If this is not adequate, how else can this information be verified?

NadavKatz

And who controls the “Health Ministry” if not HAMAS? Sadly, not all information and knowledge can be verified. People around the world train themselves and others and specialize in the area of disseminating misinformation.

Plasma Dawn

…and who controls you if not the ultranationalist settler movement?

NadavKatz

I am an independent observer of reality. Do you have difficulties with it?

Plasma Dawn

Yes, I have great difficulties buying it.

NadavKatz

Well, this is not for sale. Good bye. This discussion is over.

athessalonian

Once again you avoided answering my question. The latter being how is one to ascertain the accuracy of this news article?

NadavKatz

Not every piece of supposed information may be ascertained, not even by intelligence agencies of the highest capabilities. We must accept this reality and move on. I would only add that often information is discovered in retrospect, sometimes years later. This of course is important for historians but not for journalists.

athessalonian

In this case it cannot be dismissed either.

NadavKatz

I don’t dismiss or in-dismiss anything. I simply don’t trust it and don’t construct my view of reality based on it. I even refuse to take it with a pinch of salt, or even with a spoonful of salt. I simply don’t take it, full stop.

HighTide

As posted before, misleaders such as Trump make unqualified and unnecessary announcements with innocent people dying as a result. The fact of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is known since decades, there was no need to make confrontational statements that did nothing but sabotaging the climate for negotiations, which is the only way to change the status quo.

Evergreen

Trump announced it with so much ferocity that within hours, it was an issue. Furthermore Israel FM also added fuel on fire through his dark words . The negative enthusiasm of Israel and backing by Trump has caused this hell. something very sad.
In any case J belongs to Christians too.

HighTide

Lourdes ‘belongs’ to Christians too but is French territory.

Evergreen

France herself consists mainly of catholic christians and so is the place and we all always are welcome there.

HighTide

Jerusalem also welcomes people from all faiths and houses churches of all denominations. It just so happens that they lie on Israel’s territory.

Evergreen

Not palestinians.
Flowery words about pseudo civility of
majority of fundamentalist jews can not change reality that majority /majority to the extent of 99% of jews are extremely unfair with helpless palestinians. I rest my case with you as I know your bent of mind in this case.

HighTide

Being “bent on mind” applies to everyone who posts his/her opinion here. That’s the nature of discourse.
The “helpless” Palestinians do a great job sending hundreds of rockets from Gaza and stabbing innocent pedestrians who are just walking the streets. If Palestine would not deny the existence of Israel they would have been able since a long time to come to an agreement.
They seem to be in permanent suicidal mode.

Evergreen

You are drunk.

HighTide

I refrain from answering silly remarks. You have obviously nothing sensible to contribute anymore. Take a rest.

Evergreen

Yes I know my comment was not rational and was just an expression of my anger.Not my style actualky. I agree to disagree with you on the subject issue till your death and therefore rest my case. Thank you😊

Anansi Tori

You are right about everything you say, but you won’t convince the ziofascists & their minions/puppets.

The world’s most cowardly killing machine, the ziofascist entity’s army, is at it again: attacking stone throwers with guns, thus killing another Palestinian, an Untermensch, a piece of trash as the ziofascists see the Palestinians.

But that racist cesspool keeps flouting international law, does not care about what the rest of the world thinks, is convinced of its so-called god-given right to do to another ethnic group whatever it “deems right”, including extermination. And that filth keeps talking about its “existential threat” & its “right to self-determination”, without ever so much as mentioning the Palestinians. That swamp should be drained, but not the Trump way.

Plasma Dawn

You speak from hatred and ignorance. A well-aimed stone from a slingshot can kill a person, never mind take out an eye, disfigure for life, cause brain damage, and so on and so forth. Any Palestinian in the 21st century who is still purposely attacking Israeli soldiers with lethal and dangerous weapons, his blood shall be upon his own head. No soldier of any nation should be expected to find himself in harm’s way and not defend himself with any and all means at his disposal, including firearms. These Israeli soldiers were attacked inside their own country, on Israel’s side of the border fence, not in Gaza or the West Bank.

Evergreen

You always somehow find some point in favour of israel.

Plasma Dawn

No, if you ever followed my exchanges with NadavKatz or Really? you would not use the word “always”. However, people like Paranam Kid (a.k.a. Anansi Tori) should not feel free to spread hatred laced with obscenities, foul language, and personal attacks. Just a day or two ago he called me depraved, not to even mention things he said when he was still called Paranam Kid. His comments and language have fouled the air and lowered the civility and discourse norms on CM to an absolute rock-bottom level.

Veritas

Even though we have our disagreements over the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I fully agree with you on this comment.

Plasma Dawn

Thanks, I appreciate your comment.

Veritas

Have a nice Christmas and a peaceful 2018.

Evergreen

Ah Veritas, you are one of my fav. most commentors.😊

Therefore, as a positive gesture and as a token of my respect to PD, I may have a consensus with PD about “Late” PK.😡

Veritas

Thanks for your nice comment.
Let me wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2018.

Evergreen

Thank you very much.
Merry Christmas and my Best Regards☺

Evergreen

Hi PD,

PK is at least honest and steadfast. He must be a good human being also somewhere deep down in his heart and soul as he understands the plight of palesttinians. This is a great quality in any human being .
Here I m struggling with some who have no belief in soul and can not understand plight of helpless humanity when in clutches of dark devil power what to talk about human goodness.
A human being without a realization of right and wrong is just like an animal .A beer.A panda. A monkey stuck somewhere in evolution process.

Plasma Dawn

I don’t know about him being honest but I’ll grant you he is steadfast. As for being a good human being, that extremely dubious quality is under a huge question mark due to the amount of hatred and venom he is spewing, the way he dehumanizes his perceived enemies, his shameless incitement to suicide attacks and other forms of violence and terrorism against Israeli and Jewish civilians, or his monstrous hope—yes, hope—that Israel would have to kill even more Palestinian demonstrators so that it gets in hot water with the EU—the latter being nothing less than a cynical call for human sacrifices in order to achieve a minor political goal. All the above and more can be found in copious amounts in the majority of his past comments. Such a person can never be a good human being. If anything, he is quite the opposite and even though he is a steadfast champion of the Palestinians, he is nothing but a dark knight.

I would rather limit discussing PK to what I said and add no more.

Evergreen

Pl see my comment to Veritas. Thank you.

HighTide

I could not agree more. We all have our gripe with the US, but his anti-American and antisemitic obsession is simply sick.

Anansi Tori

The plight of the Palestinians is exactly what PD and some of the others here do not care about. In fact, what they want is to clear Palestine (the broad sense of the name) cleared completely (i.e. 100%) of the Palestinians because they are regarded as inferior, as subhumans, as trash.

If even a fraction of what Israel has done & is doing to the Palestinians would be done to the Jews, can you imagine the uproar?

Israel has 1 of the strongest, if not THE strongest, armies in the region, and the ziofascists are continuously in uproar about their “existential threat”, when in actual fact it is the ziofascists who are putting the Palestinians under an existential threat. The whole “country” (I like PK’s use of those quotation marks in this context) is a completely sick project, lacking any legitimacy (hence their obsession with getting delegitimised) with Apartheid that is enshrined as an official policy, viz. Hafrada (look it up on Wikipedia) in combination with the slow, incremental but steady genocide of the Palestinians.

All of this is the reason for my intense hatred in my heart for the ziofascists, though not the Jews as a whole. Those who deny the facts about the “country” and its ziofascist system are in fact abetting the “country’s” crimes against humanity & its war crimes, and are complicit in those crimes.

Evergreen

Paragraph two read with para three -an apt assessment.

Remember AT,
many people in this forum who are supporting Israel have their personal preference for Israel. I am neutral as I just could observe without any emotional or personal bondage what was happening and is happening. I know till this moment , you are 100% right .

Anansi Tori

Thank you.

Plasma Dawn

You, Anansi Tori (a.k.a. Paranam Kid), are not only one of the most hateful and uncivil commenters on CM, you are also one of the most dishonest ones, if not the very top one. Neither I nor your counterpart, the ultranationalist NadavKatz, have ever as much as even implied or hinted of clearing Palestine (the broad sense of the name) completely of the Palestinians nor have we ever claimed that they were regarded as inferior, as subhumans, as trash. It was you and only you who have called them these name and worse and then dishonestly attributed these words to me and others as if the CM readers were morons or blind and didn’t know better. Alas, the truth and honesty were never too much of an obstacle for you when you had to make your point.

You are doing the Palestinian cause a disservice by your dishonesty, incivility, hate speech, incitement to terrorism and violence (“suicide squads, launching rockets, and organising violent uprisings is exactly what would be needed…”), and by your cynical and inhumane hope(!) for human sacrifices in order to achieve minor political goals (“with a bit of luck [tensions in Jerusalem] spin out of control, with Israel having to kill more of the Untermenschen ‘vermin’, and getting into hot water with the EU”). Palestinian “champions” like you have succeeded year after year, decade after decade, in sabotaging the Palestinian cause and doing more harm than good because enlightened people can see what you are writing, they can think for themselves, and they can distinguish between truth and fiction regardless of your claims. The Palestinians have a right for self-determination and a state of their own but what they need least is to be associated with a dark knight like yourself who thrives on hatred, dehumanizing the enemy, and perpetuating lies and dishonesty.

Evergreen

With a very heavy heart about Palestine-I agree with you!

Anansi Tori

Thank you for agreeing. I can assure you that my heart is very heavy for the Palestinians too. My heart is also full of hatred, which I do not deny, for the ziofascists who inflict on the Palestinians what the Nazis inflicted on the Jews before & during WW2, with 1 big difference: the ziofascists have refined the techniques, but the goal is the same.

Please note: I said my heart is full of hatred for the ziofascists, NOT for the Jews as a whole, which is what a number of people here love to argue, conveniently conflating a blatantly racist political ideology with a religion/culture. And there are plenty of Jews who abhor & reject zionism & esp. its extreme form ziofascism as instituted in Israel.

Evergreen

True.

Plasma Dawn

Not true, your heart is full of hatred for the Jews as a whole. Just last week you wrote “you ‘people’ are a disgrace to humanity” referring to all the Jewish people who not only are supposed to be a disgrace to humanity, they are not even a real people—thus the quotes—but only pretend to be one. That comment and other similar ones were unceremoniously deleted by CM and I suspect were the reason for completely banning your previous Paranam Kid persona shortly thereafter. You have the contemptible right to be hateful to the core but at least have a shred of decency and be honest. CM readers aren’t morons or blind and they can read and remember.

Evergreen

RIP.
128 countries on this planet recognize the high handedness and arrogance of Israel aka USA and have a moral courage to vote sgainst it. It is a long road still as US is supporting Israel blindly , but future eventually will bring something good for suffering humanity in palestine.

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