There's little debate that health care in this country needs improvement. Costs are high, paperwork is cumbersome and confusing, and patients can get lost in the shuffle. Some believe technology will drive improvements in health care. But the guest on today's podcast disagrees.

Aneesh Chopra was the first ever U.S. Chief Technology Officer serving under President Obama. He says technology's role isn't to drive change, but to enable doctors, hospitals and even patients to create change. He dropped in for a conversation before a crowd of health care innovators at the Cambia Grove in Seattle. The interviewer for the event was Lee Huntsman, President Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Bio-Engineering at the University of Washington.