re: Is it wrong of me to root against Israel?(Posted by SammyTiger on 11/18/12 at 11:46 am to trackfan)

quote:Every Arab state, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas have all agreed to the 2002 Saudi peace plan.

Thats great. No one has ever broken a peace treaty. People who fire rockets specifically at civilians aren't civil people. There is nothing about a peace treaty that should make Israel feel comfortable.

quote:It happened because Arabs were unjustly forced to pay the price for German crimes after WWII. The unvieling of the 2002 Saudi peace was really a de facto surrender and acceptance of Israel's right to exist by the Arab world. Even Bill Clinton has recently said that the bigest obstacle to Mideast peace is Netanyahu.

They weren't being forced to ay for anything. Europe was carving up the middle east while giving zero shits. They pissed off a lot of people all over, and giving a nation to a religious group that made up a majority in the area they were given is forcing the arabs to pay for anything.

re: Is it wrong of me to root against Israel?(Posted by trackfan on 11/18/12 at 11:54 am to SammyTiger)

quote:Every Arab state, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas have all agreed to the 2002 Saudi peace plan.

Thats great. No one has ever broken a peace treaty. People who fire rockets specifically at civilians aren't civil people. There is nothing about a peace treaty that should make Israel feel comfortable.That's because Israel rejected the Saudi peace plan. Egypt and Jordan have honored their treaties.

quote:Another Zionist myth. Zionist are peaceful, don't engage in terrorism they just want to be left alone in peace.

It is more realistic to think the Jews would have taken the 1948 plan peacefully than your ridiculous idea that Palestine will be a peaceful neighbor if Israel completely gives in to all demands of the terrorists there today.

The truth is the Arabs were never peaceful neighbors and Anti Jewish riots tarted way before 1930.

re: Is it wrong of me to root against Israel?(Posted by ZZTIGERS on 11/18/12 at 8:15 pm to VOR)

quote:Israel is God's chosen, do you really think they will lose?

I am with Israel rain or shin, even if my country turns it's back on her. God will let loose his sword one day and woo unto them that are against Israel.

Oh my. It's scary to think this point of view will influence American foreign policy.

You would think god would’ve PWNED those against his chosen by now. Making them unnecessarily fight for centuries seems kind of like a dick move, especially considering all he has to do is “let loose his sword”.

re: Is it wrong of me to root against Israel?(Posted by blueboy on 11/18/12 at 9:33 pm to shuke33)

I'm no fan of Israel, but I was alarmed to see that rockets were fired into Jerusalem. To me, that just doesn't compute. If done by Hamas, I'll wager the person responsible was fired with extreme prejudice.

Tinfoil hat - activate - but it would serve as a plausible prelude to a "Hamas rocket" hitting the hated Dome of the Rock. Oops.

Just a theory I wanted to post in case it actually happens, so we can all hold hands and call bull shite.

And honestly, all of the arguing is pointless. At this point, any concession by Israel would be viewed as weakness and embolden the whackos (the muslim ones, that is). Even if every Israeli got up and left, the global Jihad would not be over.

But there won't be concessions of any kind. The Israelis are way too far up their own asses to budge, and a nuclear event seems inevitable at this point. And of course, because the real hard-line, right-wing Christians and Jews actually want there to be Armageddon, this will be encouraged, not deterred.

All for a worthless plot of fricking real estate based on a 2000 year old religious claim.

As an Orthodox Christian, I just don't get it when (and being in the south, we are surrounded by "Right Wing" Christianity) Christians try to "figure out and welcome" the End.

Christ Himself told the Disciples - "Only My Father in Heaven knows...."

Yet fanatics welcome the Rapture, forgetting the true lessons Christ taught us about tolerance and love. We worry when we shouldn't, and basically miss the point of faith altogether, endorsing death for those we don't agree with.

Some of the biggest critics of Israel that I know are left-wing Jews. But, even more vocal are groups of non-Israeli religious Jews. Not a lot of people know that in 1948, many of them circulated flyers in the ME exclaiming "why do you violate God's law?"

But yeah. The Irgun/Likud crowd and Falwell types actually want Armageddon. That astounds me. What black-hearted, evil place does that come from? How soulless do you have to be to wish that on the world?