Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, October 30th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Tiffany Johnson about minorities in the gun community.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a woman in South Carolina who refused to be quiet…to the home invader’s dismay.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we have no gun news.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and one of our DGU’s starts with a carjacking at a gas station.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a cigarette thief that brought a knife to a gunfight… so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 427 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories. That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. Amanda Suffecool and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Dustin Salomon and I were guests on the Safety Solutions Academy podcast with Paul Carlson. That was interesting as we tried to figure out what instruction works for both students and teachers. I’ve been in contact with one of our listeners who wanted to talk about training.I also went for a run. Not very far, but I wanted to make my heart beat and make me sweat. It is a first step.

John- I missed last show because I was a flower girl wrangler. For age 2 ½, Olivia did just fine in her aunt’s wedding. Now to gun stuff. I have booked our hotel and flight for the SHOT Show. I’m still waiting for the media registration to open. This coming weekend I will be taking MAG-20 with Massad Ayoob in Charlotte, NC. I’ll have a full report for the next show.

Tracy- I spent part of my Saturday taking a private lesson from USPSA grand master, Karl Rehn, working on some speed skills for my upcoming MAG-120 class. Always looking for a way to solve shooters’ problems, in my case little hands with really short thumbs, Karl decided a right-sided magazine catch could prove very helpful in speeding up my reloads. I have an order in with Mitch at Bulletworks.com for an aftermarket right-sided mag catch for my STI Trojan. Stay tuned for updates. Other than that, I’ve just taught some lessons and been a good citizen.

Belle- Took a Level 2: Def HG at FAS, just for the trigger time and to learn how to teach it better from a couple of my favorite instructors. Getting ready to close out the 2017 training season and start prepping for 2018.

Gary

Paul/Susan Trip to Washington, quitting smoking.

Listeners FB group.

Promo about PSP patches

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News

House Bill violates the Second Amendment

OnFriday, November 3rd, Massachusetts Lieutenant Governor Karyn Polito signedHouse Bill 4008 into law. He was acting on behalf of Governor Charlie Baker. A provision in H.4008 prohibits the possession of “bump stocks” and “trigger cranks.” Violations of this provision by merely possessing these accessories carry excessive punishments. In addition to the possibility of life imprisonment, the minimum mandatory sentence is 18 months imprisonment. Second Amendment advocates are scrambling to fight this bill.

Walmart Shooting

Severalshoppers screamed and ran for cover inside the Walmart inThornton when a gunman opened fire in random directions.The suspect, 47-year-old Scott Ostrem, killed three people. Some shoppers pulled out their own handgunsduring the shootings in self-defense. The authorities complained about the five hour delay in identifying the number and identity of the assailants. The officers didn’t feel physically threatened. The investigators reviewed the surveillance footage by following each individual with a firearm until they could eliminate them as a suspect. Thornton police spokesman Victor Avila would not elaborate on whether any individuals were detained or tested for gunshot residue. He did not say if anyone other than the suspect had fired shots during the incident. Darlene Jackson, a truck driver, said she was in the toy section of the store when she heard the gunshots. Although she owns weapons, she didn’t have hers on hand at the time. She and her husband will be attending a shooting range to practice. She had been horrified that other shoppers drew their guns, but did not confront the killer.

Almost Tarred and Feathered

According to neighbors,U.S. Sen. Rand Paul was mowing his lawn outside his Bowling Green, Ky., home when he was intentionally attacked by an irate neighbor. Rene Boucher, age 59 is a registered Democrat according tothe Daily Caller. A different neighbor toldlocal news station WNKY-TV that Boucher and Paul nursed their ongoing feud over the corner of property they share. Boucher was charged with one count of fourth degree assault for the minor injury. He was taken to the nearby Warren County Detention Center, where he was being held on $5,000 bail for the Class A misdemeanor. A Facebook account said to be maintained by Boucher contained multiple anti-Trump postings.

“Senator Paul was blindsided and the victim of an assault,” Kelsey Cooper, a spokeswoman for Paul, said in a statement to the Hill. “The assailant was arrested, and it is now a matter for the police. Senator Paul is fine.”

Dog Eat Dog World

Chicago Police say 19-year-old Terrion Pouncyrobbed a South Side hot dog stand at gunpoint about 6 a.m. on Halloween. Pouncy pulled out his gun, demanded cash from two employees, and pressed the gun to the head of a 39-year-old worker. The victim called for his co-worker to hand over the cash from the register. They passed their wallets and a stack of singles to Pouncy, but the bucket tipped and bills went flying. The robber stooped over to collect the cash even though he continued to point the gun at the workers. He replaced the gun to his waistband and shifted the gun as he ran out. He apparently pulled the trigger which fired a bullet striking him in the penis. He was unable to run further because of the pain. Pouncy was arrested at the Oak Lawn hospital not long after he was found slumped on the steps of a home across the street from a West Pullman restaurant. Surveillance cameras captured video and audio of the robbery, his struggle across the the street, his stop on a bench, and his collapse at the nearby house. Police recovered the wallets Pouncy had allegedly stolen from the two men, as well as the .38 caliber pistol. Pouncy’s blood-stained boxers match the underwear he had on in the surveillance video. The video clearly shows the pattern on the fabric when the teen bent over to collect the money that had fallen to the floor.

Ex-Employee Seeks Last PayCheck

Police said an armed man between 35 and 40 years old, entered Lawry’s The Prime Rib in the 100 block of East Ontario and restrained several employees who were in a locker room at the steakhouse. The former employee knew his way around the building, took the employees’ cell phones and announced thearmed robbery. A 28-year-old man interrupted the robbery, prompting the gunman to fire his weapon, according to authorities. The victim was shot in his right arm and transported to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in stable condition. The suspect fled on foot but was found by police a short time later. Authorities said the man was taken into custody and a weapon was recovered. An investigation remained ongoing Monday morning.

Media Taunts America

A man entered a church inSutherland Springs, Texas. He killed and injured a lot of people that he probably knew. The killer’s rampage was only halted when an armed citizen “engaged” him. The killer was bad-conduct discharged from the military as opposed to beingdishonorably discharged. Due to his domestic assault, he wasstill banned from buying guns. He was willing to break the law to procure guns. He additionally broke the law by committing mass murder. After the reports surfaced of the mass shooting, TV reporters comforted themselves with their usual demand about new legislation on guns. CNN’s Jim Acosta used every TV appearance on Sunday to mention that after the Las Vegas massacre, Trump suggested talk of new gun control should wait until the dust settles. That conversation, Acosta repeatedly complained, has “never occurred.”

NBC News’s Chris Jansing, who is currently traveling with the president in Japan, used the opportunity to tout the country’s “restrictive” gun control laws.

Even though MSNBC’s terror analyst, Malcolm Nance, is a gun owner, he said, “The Second Amendment in this case has nullified the right to live for many people in this church and I think a national discussion has to happen. It’s not too — we constantly run away from it but we’ll keep doing this until we have that discussion.”

MSNBC contributor Jim Cavanaugh likewise used his appearances in the moments after the massacre to hype gun control. Cavanaugh said. “…And we can’t get even the Congress to give us one sentence that we can’t have bump stocks.” In another appearance, Cavanaugh says that America has no choice and that passing new gun control measures “has to be done.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Tiffany Johnson.

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3- Interview 1

Tiffany Johnson- Do black and white gun culture want to mix?

We already have a number of separate gun cultures. For example, waterfowl hunting, game hunting, target shooting, the gun sports, collecting, re-enacting. What does it mean to have some blacks and whites who want separate gun cultures based on race?

Tracy- We need to be united, not divided, in our “crusade” for gun rights. What can I, as a middle-aged, white woman, do to reach out to my black brothers and sisters of the gun culture?

Rob- Are there different needs you see between the two cultures?

Tiffany- We all need the basics. “Blind spots” between the two cultures.

Black gun culture wants to hear about the racist roots of gun control.

Belle- It is human nature to categorize things in order to understand them. Pointing out that so often things are, as you said “blind spots” or lack of exposure is such an important point. I think changing the ‘lingo’ from racism to naivety is an awesome distinction. Thank you. Voicing what is important to the smaller groups we want to include is so important. If we are “blind” to it, and no one says it, how can we fix it? How do you suggest we as instructors encourage any given minority group to join in the activity, whether it be training, competing, what have you?

Tiffany – go to your intended audience, actively look for locations where black people live, local YMCA, black church, people at your job – pure self-defense, which is a human right

Rob-

Are the minority gun cultures separate but equal, separate but welcome, or are they inseparable?

Do we want diversity to include exclusivity, or can members move freely between the two cultures?

Who will bridge the gap for those who feel alienated in one culture but want to move between both cultures?

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5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Standing in Jail

Tracy – Samuel Jeter thought the Spartanburg, South Carolina, mother and daughter were going to be easy victims. Recently, he broke into their home and hid in the bathroom.

Shortly after midnight, Katrina Walker’s 24-year-old daughter spotted Jeter standing in the bathroom holding a finger to his lips indicating for her to be quiet. Her daughter instead started to scream, and when Walker came running to see what was the matter, Jeter tackled her.

Jeter demanded money from the women. Walker’s daughter instead grabbed her gun and cocked it. Jeter decided this was his clue to get out of Dodge. As Jeter ran, the 24 year-old began to shoot.

Police responded to the 12:35 AM call to find Walker and her daughter sitting on the front porch. Walker was crying and her daughter was holding her 9millimeter firearm.

The officers used a K-9 officer to track Jeter to the backyard where they found him lying unresponsive.. He had been struck 4 times in the buttocks.

The story said he was sitting in jail but we wonder “Is he sitting or standing?”

Paul – All is well that ends well but…

Rob- This was a potentially lethal shot. There are not safe places to shoot someone who is not a lethal threat to you.

Cornered Clerk – Belle

The 30 year old cigarette thief found out you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. He walked into a Williamsburg Virginia 7-11 armed with a knife and swiped a couple packs of cigarettes then backed the clerk into a corner. He demanded the clerk open the register.

The 56 year old clerk then drew his own gun and the suspect fled on foot. The clerk was a concealed carry permit holder.

A man that matched the description of the suspect was located in the area and taken into custody. A knife was also found nearby as well.

Clinton Frazer has been charged with petit larceny and felony armed robbery.

Belle- Its always a preferred outcome when the mere display of the firearm is enough to stop the threat.

Rob- It seems strange that the clerk drew a gun and did not shoot.

John – Good Samaritan stops carjacking

Joanna Avalos is happy she had a good Samaritan near by the other day. About 7 AM, an armed man walked up to her in the gas station parking lot and demanded her vehicle with two young kids inside.

As Avalos recalled, “He pulled out the gun and said, ‘Get out of your car! I’m taking your car!’”

The carjacker fumbled with the keys. He could not get the car started. After his frustration grew, he ran after her, grabbed her and threw her to the ground. It turned out she had two sets of keys for the Tahoe.

The security footage is grainy but it shows the two children and their mother running into a convenience store after being chased by the man with a gun. The kids were already inside when a clerk grabs their mother and pulls her into the store.

Avalos says another clerk ran after the carjacker with a gun and shot him after the robber fired at him. Police said the suspect, Courtney Johnson, led police on a short chase in the stolen SUV before crashing it into a couple parked cars. He had gunshot wounds to his arm and abdomen.

Johnson has been arrested and the investigation is ongoing. As for the Tahoe, Avalos is not sure she wants it back. With all the trauma around the incident, she doesn’t think it is a good time to keep the car.

Paul – we are NOT the Police

Rob- This woman is lucky he didn’t take the car AND the kids.

Bring your own gun to a gunfight.

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Rob- Gun Quotes- To paraphrase We cannot sit idly by in Texas and not be concerned about what happens in New Jersey. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality.. tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one of us directly, affects all of us indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial “outside agitator” idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds. Original quote from Martin Luther King, letters from a Birmingham Jail

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Hi, guys:

I found one of Paul’s comments regarding deporting illegal immigrants to be a bit of puzzle.

He said that illegal aliens who get arrested for felonies should be immediately deported. In effect, arrest = guilt.

Putting the immigration question aside for the purposes of discussion, I find such a comment to be a bit hard to comprehend when it comes from someone who understands full well (I hope!) that police can….and do…arrest perfectly innocent people without legitimate cause.

Keep up the good work. I listen to every episode now.

Norman

Rob- Paul, one of our listeners has been exchanging e-mail with me about training methods. Thank you, Alen.

Rob- Gun laws are a fraud. They are confidence scheme. The politicians who advocate for gun control say that these laws will keep us safe. When these laws fail, as they always do, then the confidence men claim that they need more from us. They need more money, more votes, and more laws. I looked at the recent attacks in Las Vegas and in Maryland. The article is called Gun Laws Failed, and People Died. My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

John- Among the many posts I made, I’d like to point out two. First, you may have heard that 17 state attorneys general have put out a letter opposing national reciprocity. While I can’t speak for all of them, Mark Herring of VA and Josh Stein of NC are hypocrites. Both of their states have universal recognition of any other state’s permit. Herring got over $1 million from Mike Bloomberg in his first election and has gotten substantial money from him this year. The other post is about the San Francisco 49ers who are donating $500,000 for anti-gun TV commercials. They are encouraging other NFL teams to join them. Combine this with the whole kneeling controversy and the NFL is on the highway to hell. As a contrast look at the World Series. Every player stands with his hat over his heart for the National Anthem.

Paul – I have come to a bit of a decision with the direction of the show and of my personal like for the next several months. As most of you know I had an incident in Nebraska a little over 18 months ago. There was fundraising done that covered part of the costs and I am eternally grateful for that.

However I still have 3 outstanding personal loans that need to be repaid as well as my personal money situation is not in the greatest shape.

I am a Dave Ramsey fan of sorts, and one of the sayings that he uses a lot is “There is a great place to go when you are broke and that is to work.” So starting tomorrow that is what I am going to do. We have been recording the show on a when I am home basis and that just isn’t fair to you listeners. We don’t have a regular release schedule for the show and it is hard to book guests on the basis of “we could do this next Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday can you be available to us all three evenings?

So this is what is going to happen going forward. I have a GREAT team of people that work with me on the show, I am going to let them do what they do best. We will record on Monday evenings and if I can be here I will. I won’t be here for most of them. I am planning on heading out tomorrow and the next time that I spend more than 1 day at home I will have paid everyone back and have built up a cushion.

I am not quitting and the show is not going away. I am just not going to be on the air a whole lot until I have made my world square again.

www.Patreon.com/politesocietypodcast

Rob-

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

“Rarely, if ever, is it a case of a “good guy” suddenly gone bad. As the investigation proceeds, more information will come to light revealing now unknown aspects of the Las Vegas murderer’s personality and motives. And we will see that the attack was in fact “in character.”

Paul: I want to talk bump fire stocks for a bit

Ammcon-

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Grpc-

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Attack in Nashville-

Gun Quotes- What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended? Alex Rawls

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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