Funny referencing DU.
I am a lifelong Republican (except for that brief time with Ross Perot)
(If you would like a private thread of correspondence, I would me more than happy to give you my bio-—especially to a fellow Army veteran)
And no, I really don’t care about “the right to life issue.”
As far as spending so much time on this thread, I’ve been in and out of the house, cutting bushes out of the front yard, here in sunny Florida, and have just left this page open.
I also know that this topic is where I can find the supposed Christians and argue with them.

It may sound harsh, but let's be totally objective here. There are tens of thousands of people murdered in the U.S. every year, and George Tiller's "profession" as a state-sanctioned killer is the only reason the news of his murder even made it beyond the front page of the local newspaper in the town where he lived.

It begs the questions: If it is your duty to stop the murder of innocents by all means necessary, why haven’t you done what Tiller’s killer did yourself?

Answer: Because I am a wimp and do not have the courage to shoot a man in cold blood. I would, however, consider badly injuring such an unrepentant abortionist so he could not kill again. Like breaking all his fingers on both hands.

Are you advocating that we all go out and start “whacking” all the folks who perform abortions? Or is there a litmus test as to the type and number they can get away with before being “whacked”?

I would rather dialogue with them and hope to convert the more reasonable ones. Prolifers did this with Bernie Nathanson, who killed more than 20,000 unborn children, and they converted him!

You dont know that. All you know is that he was shot down in the lobby of a Church. Unless you know exactly what the doctrinal stance/spiritual state of that Church was, then you libel them.

I dont know what Tiller’s relationship with God was. No one but God does. I do know that Jesus broke bread with “sinners”, including adulterers, prostitutes, “terrorists”, thieves, collaborators, liars and even (shudder) lawyers. Unfortunately, Churches are public buildings. Equally unfortunately, the great commission says “Go and make ALL men my disciples”. I’m afraid Churches don’t have the luxury of choosing who they preach the word to.

You need to know where YOU stand, and you need to have the courage to STAND!

I do not support shooting abortionists, however, I fully understand that our TYRANTS in the Courts, and our TYRANTS in government, have left some feeling helpless.

I fully realize that our government is corrupted by the abortion industry.

I was told, by a Priest, years ago:

“Evil has always existed in the world, God will take care of the babies, we must use the abortion cause to save the souls of those who are already born!”

At that point, I chose not to react in a violent manner, when I saw a teenage girl, drugged by her racist mother (White girl from Arizona or Nevada, I forget, pregnant with an Hispanic baby) dragged from her mothers car, carried from the car to the abortion clinic by 4 adults.

Where was the “choice” in this?

I saw the FATHER of the baby, yelling at the gates at his girlfriend, (who he later married, I understand, even after the abortion!)

I saw the pregnant woman, drugged but still aware, turn her head towards her Hispanic boyfriend, with sadness in her eyes.

And YES, I considered violence.

The Priest, now a Bishop, knew this, somehow.

He came up and whispered in my ear.

I would be in prison, even to this day, had I not been blessed by the good Bishop.

Everyone on here claiming the media and government have the right to smear and attack the pro life movement because of the murder of a rabid abortionist, are digging your own graves and I would appreciate it if you would not dig my grave with you!

I don't recall saying they have to right to smear us with this. I said they'll do it, because that's how malicious, lying left-wing activists function. That's what we should expect from them, based on everything they've ever shown us.

This church obviously does not follow Scriptural prescription in this instance.

It certainly is not obvious. For example, how often has he been going to this church? For all you or I know it could be his first attendance. Then again, how can you "disfellowship" someone for a sin, if said person does not recognise he is committing a sin? Surely you first have to convince them that it is! Anyway, we ALL have ongoing sin issues. His are just more visible (at least to us).

I agree, the church is the Bride Of Christ, and services are primarily for fellowship of the Bride with the object of worship. If an unbeliever attends, it should be with the aim of repentance and salvation. Evangelism is for reaching the lost, and that occurs outside the church building.
Saying that, it seems this is one of those apostate churches which disregards God’s Word. There’s a lot of that going on in the latter days.

LOL...that’s ok, I almost...ALMOST..voted for Anderson as a third party candidate over Reagan in 1980, but when I got into the voting booth I couldn’t vote in a way that might let Carter get re-elected. Of course I was 22 and had not fully formed my conservative center by then.

But we should not respond with guilt or shame nor the expectation that it makes us all guilty. It does not. One person’s actions in response to the outrageous crimes committed by Tiller is just that. We should talk about what Tiller did that created such turmoil around himself.

We should say the media smears the innocent of whole groups for the crimes of one all the time. It is hateful and ignornat of our justice system.

Shelley Shannon shot him in 1995. IIRC, she hit him with a bullet in each forearm and reached into his car to shoot him with a small caliber pistol. She was charged with and convicted of attempted murder of Tiller. If she really wanted to kill him, she would have put the muzzle to his head which probably would have been easier than what she did. It seems obvious that she intended to render his arms useless an stop his killings without killing him. That being said, she should not have shot him at all. OTOH, she should not be accused of being a terrible shot for shooting each of his arms at point blank range.

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posted on 05/31/2009 1:10:44 PM PDT
by BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)

Republicans should have made that evil, racist lilth a household name with every black family in America a long, long time ago. Democrats get away with advocating the disproportionate slaughter of black children without so much as a whimper from the kid-gloves GOP.

If you want to know the truth, I believe God’s patience allowed this man to live as long as he did, and God is waiting for us as a nation to reverse this abomination called abortion but in reality it is child sacrifice. 2013 will be forty years of this, this, abhorrent practice.

I agree 100% with your stmt. Why are so many on this thread soooo concerned with what the left thinks? Who gives a rats’ a$$. The man was shot and killed plain and simple. Find the perp and bring him to justice. How is his murder any different than those crimes perpetrated by environazies or animals rights freaks. The pro-life movement should not be concerned with what the left thinks.

George Washington's largest military exercise was actually carried out while he was President, personally putting down the “Whiskey Rebellion” in Pennsylvania. That just pushed all the Irish down to the South.

And -— Washington then opened his OWN Whiskey still!

Not putting down Washington, just telling you that God uses all types of people, to do His work, and you should avoid being so sanctimonious.

As far as my LOGICAL POINT was concerned, I believe that Jefferson said some even more “radical” things about the justification for a people to use violence, against a tyrannical government, did he not?

I think the best strategy at this point would be to use Tiller’s death to expose what his actions were in life. Millions of non-news-savvy people can be educated on what the “pro-choice” movement is all about. It takes a person of little to no conscience to not be utterly shaken and mortified by what George Tiller has done. Let’s get it out.

>> It is not a crime now. It used to be a crime, It may be a crime later, but it is not now.

Why the movement to make abortion illegal if it’s not legal to begin with? Abortion is a crime against humanity, it’s not, however, a crime by definition of law. Terminology is important if the goal is to reduce abortions.

What about the people who voted for Pres. Obama who are pro-life? There were a number of pro-life people/anti-gay marriage people who voted for him! They would have to go after them also, wouldn’t they? Then there were the veterans who they claimed would be lured over to the extreme far-right.

There were people mentioned in that report for various other reasons! Funny thing, there are gay people who may/not have voted for him who are opposed to abortion, are for second amendment rights, support our war efforts, and other conservative issues, etc..! I’ve heard of them!

You sound like you are very new to the prolife movement (if you are prolife at all, and not a media troll).

Been around a long time. Guess I've just always been a member of the shooting-abortionists-doesn't-help-the-cause-and-doing-apologetics-for-the-act-hurts-too wing of the movement.

The idiot nut case that perpetrated this act has done nothing to further the pro life cause. No babies have been or will be saved. I hope he does the right thing before the day is done and rids the world of a second totally disgusting and evil man; himself.

Apart from the abortion issue, he's done enormous damage to those fighting the media/Hollywood stereotype of all non-leftists as unhinged whackos awaiting orders from Rush Limbaugh to shoot somebody. If you haven't noticed, the left can have all the Unibombers and DC snipers they want. We don't have that luxury. If you can't see that, maybe you're the troll.

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posted on 05/31/2009 1:20:13 PM PDT
by Minn
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