your sources you provided, disputes what an islamic stance is. whether was the bible corrupted or not. are you a christian? a muslim reformist? odd rerply.if your postion that the bible is intact. then you have to explain the inconsistency between similar accounts...between koran and the bible.

nonetheless that does not refutes plagiarism. religions owe to each other for each existence. judaism is not exceptional. all formed by men. no supernatural forces involved.

“a true believer as a person so fanatically committed to a cause that no amount of reality can make him abandon it”Eric Hoffer

assuming it refers to a Jew or a bear for all I care. it's irrelevant.

but for clarification, the commentary is over Kain and Abel (indicated as well in Koran; habil and qabil). these characters do not represent jews. but the ancestors of the entire human race. from theological stand point that is.

that is plagiarism in front of you. you gave me no reasonable reply to consider otherwise.

First, you don't complete the whole verse.

The holy Quran:''32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.''

Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)"Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

Did Talmud mention the verses which are colored?

So I think you should stop cutting a chunk or a part of the verse in order to prove something which mainly is wrong. Be honest.

Second, what is your opinion on the stories of prophet in both the holy Quran and the distorted Bible?I showed you before that there are big differences between the holy Quran and the distorted Bible but you didn't give me a reasonable replay. Now I will repeat and you must replay to me.

Islam Seemhan wrote

Let's look first at the prophets, who are insulted, in your Bible and the prophets, who are honored, in the holy Quran:

[Gen 9:21] Noah drank of the wine, and became drunk, and lay uncovered in his tent. and Ham [his son] saw the NAKEDNESS of his father.

Allah said in the holy Quran:79. "Peace and salutation to Noah among the nations!"

58. Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow His Grace,- of the posterity of Adam, and of those who We carried (in the Ark) with Noah, and of the posterity of Abraham and Israel <the prophet Jacob> of those whom We guided and chose. Whenever the Signs of ((Allah)) Most Gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tears.

LOT'S DAUGHTERS COMMIT INCEST WITH HIM !

[Gen. 19:30] Lot went up out of Zo'ar and dwelt in the hills with his two daughters. And the first-born said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come to us after the manner of all the earth. COME LET US MAKE OUR FATHER DRINK WINE AND WE WILL LIE WITH HIM, that we may preserve offspring through our father. So they made their father drink wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE. And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger "Behold, I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our father. So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.

Allah said in the holy Quran:

[160. The people of Lut rejected the apostles.161. Behold, their brother Lut said to them: "Will ye not fear ((Allah))?162. "I am to you an apostle worthy of all trust.163. "So fear Allah and obey me.164. "No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the lord of the Worlds.165. "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males,166. "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"167. They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!"168. He said: "I do detest your doings."169. "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!"170. So We delivered him and his family,- all171. Except an old woman who lingered behind. ]

Let's also look at the story of Israel and the golden Calf in both the holy quran and the distorted Bible:

AARON BUILT THE CALF !

[Exo. 32:2] Aaron said to people of Israel, "take off the rings of Gold which are in the ears of your wives, your sons and your daughters. So they took off the rings of gold, and brought them to Aaron. And he received the golf at their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a molten calf and they said, "These are your Gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt."

In the holy Quran, Samaria built it and the prophet Aaron asked Israel to worship Allah and leave worship of this false golden calf. Allah said in the holy Quran , according to the prophet Aaron, when Israel worshiped the Calf:

90. Aaron had already, before this said to them: "O my people! ye are being tested in this: for verily your Lord is ((Allah)) Most Gracious; so follow me and obey my command."

91. They had said: "We will not abandon this cult, but we will devote ourselves to it until Moses returns to us."

The true Bible is distorted and the people who distorted it insulted the prophets by accusing them of committing adultery or by drinking Al-cohol but the holy Quran honored all prophets <Peace Be Upon Them> so the holy Quran never derived stories from your Bible.

The Bible is a collection of writings by many different authors. The Qur'an is a dictation. The speaker in the Qur'an - in the first person - is God talking directly to man. In the Bible you have many men writing about God and you have in some places the word of God speaking to men and still in other places you have some men simply writing about history. The Bible consists of 66 small books. About 18 of them begin by saying: This is the revelation God gave to so and so… The rest make no claim as to their origin. You have for example the beginning of the book of Jonah which begins by saying: The word of the Lord came to Jonah the son of Elmitaeh saying… quote and then it continues for two or three pages.

If you compare that to one of the four accounts of the life of Jesus, Luke begins by saying: “many people have written about this man, it seems fitting for me to do so too”. That is all… no claim of saying “ these words were given to me by God here they are for you it is a revelation”, there is no mention of this.

He also claims he PREORDAINS whether we will believe in HIM or not .

First, Allah means some infidels who were living with the prophet Mohammed. They refused to believe in Islam although the prophet brought many miracles to them.

Islam seemhan, what you say is meaningless. You believe that the Quran is the Truth. Your belief is not a fact. I believe exactly the opposite, that the Quran is the Lie. Christians believe that the Bible is the Truth. You are mixing up beliefs with facts. Beliefs are just beliefs.

Islam is the biggest hoax perpetrated on the world. Islam is false is proven everyday by Muslims themselves by their irrational actions. Muslims are killing people in the name of Islam everyday. That proves that Islam incites violence.

How do you explain the lack of the freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Why are apostates executed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc.?

Islam Seemhan wrote:First, Allah means some infidels who were living with the prophet Mohammed. They refused to believe in Islam although the prophet brought many miracles to them.

Second, it is not an excuse for polytheism

What is your problem? I don't accept or believe in the message of Islam - why that should bother you? I don't care what you believe, why should you care what I believe? I believe that the Prophet was a fraud. Besides, there is no such thing called a miracle. Why are Muslims bent on shoving their evil down our throats?

Ah....polytheism? Why are you obssessed with polytheism? You believe in a man who has been dead for more than 1400 years - his life has no relevance in today's world but you are bellyaching about polytheism? You believe that Muhammad, a pedophile is the Last Prophet - so, I don't understand why you should have a problem with polytheism? Polytheism does not harm anyone but pedophilia is evil. Get a life.

Is emulating a pedophile Prophet, who has been dead for 1400 years, better than polytheism? At least polytheists do not go around bonking kids, but Muslims do.

Pedophilia was accepted by Muslims in Muhammad's days. But today pedophilia is a crime in the West and all countries. Only in Muslim countries, pedophilia is legal. In some countries, like Yemen, Saudi Arbia, Afghanistan etc., it is encouraged.

At least, I answer many questions about Islam> I was so clever , in answering questions, that neither you nor your friends can reply to me but you escape from my questions about your distorted Bible.

again,

What is your opinion on the Bible terrorism?

In Bible, your god said that he felt tired after creating earth and heavens.

In the holy Quran, Allah said that he created the earth and heavens without feeling tired.

Your Bible described your god as someone who repents, sleeps and drinks wine but Allah in the holy Quran refused all these describtions.

soooooo, again and again, The holy quran was not derived from Bible.

Very few Muslims can escape the mental prison that Islam imposes on them.They are like programmed robots, cannot do but comply. Even if it will destroy them.

Like the Borg, You Will Be Assimilated. resistance is futile.

Firstly,Read the whole debate from the beginning> If you read it, you will discover dishonesty and falsehoods of friends who fail to reply to me.

Secondly,Islam frees us from lusts in which others are indulging . I love Islam and i am very proud of it.

Islam seemhan, what you say is meaningless. You believe that the Quran is the Truth. Your belief is not a fact. I believe exactly the opposite, that the Quran is the Lie. Christians believe that the Bible is the Truth. You are mixing up beliefs with facts. Beliefs are just beliefs.

Islam is the biggest hoax perpetrated on the world. Islam is false is proven everyday by Muslims themselves by their irrational actions. Muslims are killing people in the name of Islam everyday. That proves that Islam incites violence.

How do you explain the lack of the freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Why are apostates executed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan etc.?

Oh my god!

Ram!!!!!!!!!!

Really, I feel bored because of repeating answers.I hope you read the whole debate generally and the discussion I made with your friend "Reignmasterman" specifically

You will find answers to your repeated questions.

What is your problem? I don't accept or believe in the message of Islam - why that should bother you? I don't care what you believe, why should you care what I believe? I believe that the Prophet was a fraud. Besides, there is no such thing called a miracle. Why are Muslims bent on shoving their evil down our throats?

Ah....polytheism? Why are you obssessed with polytheism? You believe in a man who has been dead for more than 1400 years - his life has no relevance in today's world but you are bellyaching about polytheism? You believe that Muhammad, a pedophile is the Last Prophet - so, I don't understand why you should have a problem with polytheism? Polytheism does not harm anyone but pedophilia is evil. Get a life.

Is emulating a pedophile Prophet, who has been dead for 1400 years, better than polytheism? At least polytheists do not go around bonking kids, but Muslims do.

Pedophilia was accepted by Muslims in Muhammad's days. But today pedophilia is a crime in the West and all countries. Only in Muslim countries, pedophilia is legal. In some countries, like Yemen, Saudi Arbia, Afghanistan etc., it is encouraged.

Firstly,

I have no problems at all.The real problem is in your brains which refuse the truth.You are insisted on repeating the same falshoods about Islam without understanding.

Secondly, Don't insult the prophet Mohamed and Islam as long as you don't want Muslims insult polytheism.Don't insult the religions of others as long as you don't want others insult your religion This website first started to insult Islam so I am here to defend my religion.I have right to defend my religion as you give yourself right to swear my religion.

I have no problems at all.The real problem is in your brains which refuse the truth.You are insisted on repeating the same falshoods about Islam without understanding.

Secondly, Don't insult the prophet Mohamed and Islam as long as you don't want Muslims insult polytheism.Don't insult the religions of others as long as you don't want others insult your religion This website first started to insult Islam so I am here to defend my religion.I have right to defend my religion as you give yourself right to swear my religion.

Also, defend your religion. But all you are doing is throwing punches in the air. We have no respect for your Prophet. Muhammad may be your prophet, he is nothing as far as we are concerned.

According to what we have found in your Islamic scriptures, Muhammad was a charlatan, sex fiend and a pedophile. If you have problem with that, you should throw the Quran, the Hadiths etc. in the garbage.

Also, defend your religion. But all you are doing is throwing punches in the air. We have no respect for your Prophet. Muhammad may be your prophet, he is nothing as far as we are concerned.

I think you don't listen to everyday news. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.we, as muslims, don't care whather you respect Islam or not.

According to what we have found in your Islamic scriptures, Muhammad was a charlatan, sex fiend and a pedophile. If you have problem with that, you should throw the Quran, the Hadiths etc. in the garbage.

Islam seemhan wrote:Firstly,

I have no problems at all.The real problem is in your brains which refuse the truth.You are insisted on repeating the same falshoods about Islam without understanding.

Secondly, Don't insult the prophet Mohamed and Islam as long as you don't want Muslims insult polytheism.Don't insult the religions of others as long as you don't want others insult your religion This website first started to insult Islam so I am here to defend my religion.I have right to defend my religion as you give yourself right to swear my religion.

Also, defend your religion. But all you are doing is throwing punches in the air. We have no respect for your Prophet. Muhammad may be your prophet, he is nothing as far as we are concerned.

According to what we have found in your Islamic scriptures, Muhammad was a charlatan, sex fiend and a pedophile. If you have problem with that, you should throw the Quran, the Hadiths etc. in the garbage.

This show that you know nothing about Islam.Do you read the Bible or Talmoud? I think the Bible and Talmoud must be thrown in the garbage.The prophet Mohammed is innocent of all your claims which I reply to but your my intellectual superior friends fail to reply to me

Islam seemhan wrote:This show that you know nothing about Islam.Do you read the Bible or Talmoud? I think the Bible and Talmoud must be thrown in the garbage.The prophet Mohammed is innocent of all your claims which I reply to but your my intellectual superior friends fail to reply to me

I have read the Bible and the Quran.

The Bible is mythical but it is very intersting to read. It is a beautiful story. I am not a Christian but still enjoy reading Biblical stories.

I have read the Quran, many Hadiths and several works written by Muslim scholars. The Quran is nothing but a hate manual.

So you are saying that the Bible is false but the Quran is true. It is obvious that there is someting missing in your skull. Both books are equally mythical. Only an my intellectual superior will believe that the stories in a religious book are true.

You cannot prove that the Quran is true more than a Christian can prove that the Bible is true.

If Islam is true, why there is no freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Are you afraid that Muslims, if given the choice, will leave Islam?

Also, defend your religion. But all you are doing is throwing punches in the air. We have no respect for your Prophet. Muhammad may be your prophet, he is nothing as far as we are concerned.

I think you don't listen to everyday news. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.we, as muslims, don't care whather you respect Islam or not.

According to what we have found in your Islamic scriptures, Muhammad was a charlatan, sex fiend and a pedophile. If you have problem with that, you should throw the Quran, the Hadiths etc. in the garbage.

Islam seemhan wrote:Firstly,

I have no problems at all.The real problem is in your brains which refuse the truth.You are insisted on repeating the same falshoods about Islam without understanding.

Secondly, Don't insult the prophet Mohamed and Islam as long as you don't want Muslims insult polytheism.Don't insult the religions of others as long as you don't want others insult your religion This website first started to insult Islam so I am here to defend my religion.I have right to defend my religion as you give yourself right to swear my religion.

Also, defend your religion. But all you are doing is throwing punches in the air. We have no respect for your Prophet. Muhammad may be your prophet, he is nothing as far as we are concerned.

According to what we have found in your Islamic scriptures, Muhammad was a charlatan, sex fiend and a pedophile. If you have problem with that, you should throw the Quran, the Hadiths etc. in the garbage.

This show that you know nothing about Islam.Do you read the Bible or Talmoud? I think the Bible and Talmoud must be thrown in the garbage.The prophet Mohammed is innocent of all your claims which I reply to but your my intellectual superior friends fail to reply to me

Islam seemhan:I have a question for you.What are the objectives of Islam,how does it achieve them,and how do Muslims,following the prophet of Islams example,expand the Islamic cause now?

It would be helpful of course, if you could quote from reliable Muslims sources, such as the Quran,and ahadiths e.g. Al Bukhari

Islam seemhan wrote:Why is this site anti-Islamic only not anti-Christianity or anti-Judaism ?

I am an atheist, so I am anti-all religions including Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

Islam is the best religion in this universe and enjoins us to respect the other religions.

All religions are equally bad, so how can Islam be better when it is just as bad as the others?

Every verse in the holy Quran and Hadith has reasons and interpretation but the enemies of Islam interpret the verses of the holy Quran and Hadith wrongly as they desire to make people hate Islam.

But many Muslims also interpret the verses of the Koran differently from each other, so who is correct? If you disagree with another Muslim's interpretation and say he is wrong, how then can both of you be correct?

Judaism and Christianity have also many violent commands in The Old Testament and The New Testament

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Did they actually exist? If you don't believe in Old and New Testament, how then can you say they are full of violent criminals if those same violent criminals didn't exist? You contradict yourself.

I have read the Quran, many Hadiths and several works written by Muslim scholars. The Quran is nothing but a hate manual.

This show that you read nothing about Islam.Your my intellectual superior friends are not honest because they don't complete the whole verse or mention it in its full context.They cut a part of it.They also don't complete the whole story of the king of Persia but I completed it and show their dishonesty to them.

You cannot prove that the Quran is true more than a Christian can prove that the Bible is true.

No.Neither Jews nor Christians proved that their Bible is true.They fail to answer my queations about Bible but I answer their questions about Islam.I proved that the holy Quran is true book by scientific miracle then I ask you some questions about these miracles but you failed to answer.

Again I will repeat and you must answer my questions.

Islam seemhan wrote

Ram wrote:

You believe that Muhammad is the Last Prophet and Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Both are myths. So why much bellyaching? Can you prove that Muhammad is really a Prophet of God?

Yes, of course, I can. Ponder what I say.The prophet Mohammed was an illiterate man who told us about many medical advices in 7th century.The prophet's medical advices were proved by many non-Muslim scientists in 19th and 20th century.There are many medical advices of the prophet but I now mention 2 advices only and wait your opinion.First, On the authority of ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘As that the Prophet (PBUH) said:

“No one should sail on the sea except the one who is going to perform Hajj or ‘Umrah , or the one who is going to fight in Allah's path for [color=#400040]under the sea there is a fire, and under the fire there is a sea. ”

Allah said in the holy Quran:

"And when the seas shall be burnt." [Surat At-Takwir ( Wound Round and Lost its Light): 6]

Scientists discovered underwater volcanoes in 20th century while the prophet Mohammed told us about that 1500 years ago.Underwater volcanoes

Thus, we see the magnificence of this honorable hadith in which the Prophet SAW stated and clarified some facts about our planet more than 1400 years ago, though the Jahiliyyah people denied him at that time. Strangely, man was (only) able to reach these facts a few years ago.

Was Prophet Muhammad a scientist? Was Muhammad a deep-sea diver or a researcher studying ocean-bottom substances? What equipments were available on Prophet Muhammad that allowed him to declare that there were volcanic eruptions under the sea? NO! All those are the kalam (words) of Allah. Allah swears with what is unknown to mankind at that time (the Jahiliyyah era) and what is just known to mankind because the Qur’an is not only for the ummah of 1400 years ago, but also for the ummah of all time, until that deciding moment arrives.

I ask you,

How did the illiterate noble man <the prophet Mohammed> who was living in the desert know these complex informations which scientists have discovered in 19th century?

If Islam is true, why there is no freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Are you afraid that Muslims, if given the choice, will leave Islam?

Please, Please, Please,

Read the whole debate from the beginning. Your friend "Reignmaster" asked me this question before and I answered more than one time.

I also want to ask you:

Why do many western countries persecute and oppress Muslims?

What are the objectives of Islam,how does it achieve them,and how do Muslims,following the prophet of Islams example,expand the Islamic cause now?

I repeat the same answer:

We have reason to believe that Islam is evil. There is ample evidence that Islam is repressive and backward ideology. The proof lies in Muslim countries. Without exception, Muslim countries are the most backward and Muslims the least educated.

Not all Muslims. There are too many Muslims are engineers and doctors.Islam has no guilty of uncivilization of Islamic countries.Don't relate Islam to the bad deeds of some Muslims.If Islam is uncivilized religion, how were Muslim scientists the beacon of knowledge in Europe in darkness age?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists[/url]Astronomers and astrophysicistsChemists and alchemistsEconomists and social scientistsGeographers and earth scientistsMathematiciansBiologists, neuroscientists, and psychologistsPhysicians and surgeonsPhysicists and engineersPolitical scientists

Islam seemhan, a question for you. where science disagrees with Koran, which side will you take, Koran or science?

ygalg,

You are ignorant.

Islam or the holy Quran never disagrees with science.

The prophet Mohammed said:“Seeking knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man or woman”. (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 218)

Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Peace Be upon Him again said;

"If a daughter is born to a person and he brings her up, gives her a good education and trains her in the arts of life, I shall myself stand between him and hell-fire." (Kanz al-Ummal, reported by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud).

This is an extract from Dr. Gronier, a French MP, who embraced Islam. Revealing the reason of embracing Islam he said, I read all of the Ayat (Quranic verses), which have a relation to medical, health, and natural sciences that I studied before and have a wide knowledge of. I found that these verses are totally compatible with and give a picture of our modern sciences. Thus, I embraced Islam as it was obvious that Muhammad revealed the Absolute Truth more than a thousand years ago. Had every specialist, artist or scientist compared those Quranic verses to his own specialization, beyond the shadow of doubt he would embrace Islam, especially if he has a sound mentality and goodwill to search for the truth and not a mentally defective person with the intentions of malevolent aims.

Did they actually exist? If you don't believe in Old and New Testament, how then can you say they are full of violent criminals if those same violent criminals didn't exist? You contradict yourself.

I don't invent or make up verses. All what I say is from their distorted Bible but no one answer me.If you compare the holy Quran to the Bible, Bible will be thrown in the garbage.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death to Followers of Other ReligionsWhoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him,[b] but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)[/b]

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

If you all want more, I will give you the truth of your evil and false Bible.

This the Bible.All Jews and Christians here failed to answer my questions about their distorted Bible.

All religions are equally bad, so how can Islam be better when it is just as bad as the others?

Read the whole debate and you will know how Islam is the best religion.

not his first time. nor will be the last time. Islam seemhan is a walking contradiction.

You still say this sentence because you failed to answer my questions. hhhhhhhhh

I have read the Quran, many Hadiths and several works written by Muslim scholars. The Quran is nothing but a hate manual.

This show that you read nothing about Islam.Your my intellectual superior friends are not honest because they don't complete the whole verse or mention it in its full context.They cut a part of it.They also don't complete the whole story of the king of Persia but I completed it and show their dishonesty to them.

You cannot prove that the Quran is true more than a Christian can prove that the Bible is true.

No.Neither Jews nor Christians proved that their Bible is true.They fail to answer my queations about Bible but I answer their questions about Islam.I proved that the holy Quran is true book by scientific miracle then I ask you some questions about these miracles but you failed to answer.

Again I will repeat and you must answer my questions.

Islam seemhan wrote

Ram wrote:

You believe that Muhammad is the Last Prophet and Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Both are myths. So why much bellyaching? Can you prove that Muhammad is really a Prophet of God?

Yes, of course, I can. Ponder what I say.The prophet Mohammed was an illiterate man who told us about many medical advices in 7th century.The prophet's medical advices were proved by many non-Muslim scientists in 19th and 20th century.There are many medical advices of the prophet but I now mention 2 advices only and wait your opinion.First, On the authority of ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘As that the Prophet (PBUH) said:

“No one should sail on the sea except the one who is going to perform Hajj or ‘Umrah , or the one who is going to fight in Allah's path for [color=#400040]under the sea there is a fire, and under the fire there is a sea. ”

Allah said in the holy Quran:

"And when the seas shall be burnt." [Surat At-Takwir ( Wound Round and Lost its Light): 6]

Scientists discovered underwater volcanoes in 20th century while the prophet Mohammed told us about that 1500 years ago.Underwater volcanoes

Thus, we see the magnificence of this honorable hadith in which the Prophet SAW stated and clarified some facts about our planet more than 1400 years ago, though the Jahiliyyah people denied him at that time. Strangely, man was (only) able to reach these facts a few years ago.

Was Prophet Muhammad a scientist? Was Muhammad a deep-sea diver or a researcher studying ocean-bottom substances? What equipments were available on Prophet Muhammad that allowed him to declare that there were volcanic eruptions under the sea? NO! All those are the kalam (words) of Allah. Allah swears with what is unknown to mankind at that time (the Jahiliyyah era) and what is just known to mankind because the Qur’an is not only for the ummah of 1400 years ago, but also for the ummah of all time, until that deciding moment arrives.

I ask you,

How did the illiterate noble man <the prophet Mohammed> who was living in the desert know these complex informations which scientists have discovered in 19th century?

If Islam is true, why there is no freedom of religion in Muslim countries? Are you afraid that Muslims, if given the choice, will leave Islam?

Please, Please, Please,

Read the whole debate from the beginning. Your friend "Reignmaster" asked me this question before and I answered more than one time.

I also want to ask you:

Why do many western countries persecute and oppress Muslims?

What are the objectives of Islam,how does it achieve them,and how do Muslims,following the prophet of Islams example,expand the Islamic cause now?

I repeat the same answer:

We have reason to believe that Islam is evil. There is ample evidence that Islam is repressive and backward ideology. The proof lies in Muslim countries. Without exception, Muslim countries are the most backward and Muslims the least educated.

Not all Muslims. There are too many Muslims are engineers and doctors.Islam has no guilty of uncivilization of Islamic countries.Don't relate Islam to the bad deeds of some Muslims.If Islam is uncivilized religion, how were Muslim scientists the beacon of knowledge in Europe in darkness age?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists[/url]Astronomers and astrophysicistsChemists and alchemistsEconomists and social scientistsGeographers and earth scientistsMathematiciansBiologists, neuroscientists, and psychologistsPhysicians and surgeonsPhysicists and engineersPolitical scientists

Islam seemhan, a question for you. where science disagrees with Koran, which side will you take, Koran or science?

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You are ignorant.

Islam or the holy Quran never disagrees with science.

The prophet Mohammed said:“Seeking knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man or woman”. (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 218)

Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Peace Be upon Him again said;

"If a daughter is born to a person and he brings her up, gives her a good education and trains her in the arts of life, I shall myself stand between him and hell-fire." (Kanz al-Ummal, reported by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud).

This is an extract from Dr. Gronier, a French MP, who embraced Islam. Revealing the reason of embracing Islam he said, I read all of the Ayat (Quranic verses), which have a relation to medical, health, and natural sciences that I studied before and have a wide knowledge of. I found that these verses are totally compatible with and give a picture of our modern sciences. Thus, I embraced Islam as it was obvious that Muhammad revealed the Absolute Truth more than a thousand years ago. Had every specialist, artist or scientist compared those Quranic verses to his own specialization, beyond the shadow of doubt he would embrace Islam, especially if he has a sound mentality and goodwill to search for the truth and not a mentally defective person with the intentions of malevolent aims.

Did they actually exist? If you don't believe in Old and New Testament, how then can you say they are full of violent criminals if those same violent criminals didn't exist? You contradict yourself.

I don't invent or make up verses. All what I say is from their distorted Bible but no one answer me.If you compare the holy Quran to the Bible, Bible will be thrown in the garbage.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Death to Followers of Other ReligionsWhoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him,[b] but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)[/b]

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

If you all want more, I will give you the truth of your evil and false Bible.

This the Bible.All Jews and Christians here failed to answer my questions about their distorted Bible.

All religions are equally bad, so how can Islam be better when it is just as bad as the others?

Read the whole debate and you will know how Islam is the best religion.

not his first time. nor will be the last time. Islam seemhan is a walking contradiction.

You still say this sentence because you failed to answer my questions. hhhhhhhhh