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Re: United Church of Christ sues over NC ban on same-sex marriage

Originally Posted by Jerry

What many don't see is that in order for this lawsuit to succeed, you have to establish a Church's right to legally officiate a municipal contract. In other words, you have to join Church and State. Do you really want the Church in government, or do you want the wall of separation respected?
So, I'm against this lawsuit, and my opposition has nothing to do with gay rights.

Anybody who has been around for as long as you have, knows that's not true.

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Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

Originally Posted by Paleocon

Gay marriage harms the moral fabric of society because it promotes sodomy.

"Moral fabric" is not a measurable harm. It's a poorly-disguised slippery slope fallacy.

Sodomy is already legal, and marriage does not "promote" sodomy. Ask any married man: marriage and sex are not the same thing. In fact, marriage promotes monogamy, which actually reduces the harm caused by sexual activities.

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Re: Religious Group Files a Lawsuit Against North Carolina's Gay Marriage Ban

Originally Posted by danarhea

Why don't you tell me exactly how you are harmed. I agree with you that gay marriage is not traditional, but I also recognize that it is none of my damn business, nor that of the government.

I am not personally harmed, however society is harmed by the acceptance of immorality. And the government has the right to protect the common good.

Originally Posted by Deuce

"Moral fabric" is not a measurable harm. It's a poorly-disguised slippery slope fallacy.

Sodomy is already legal, and marriage does not "promote" sodomy. Ask any married man: marriage and sex are not the same thing. In fact, marriage promotes monogamy, which actually reduces the harm caused by sexual activities.

It's not a fallacy.

A sanction of marriage is a sanction of sexual activity between the married couple. For same-sex couples, this necessarily means sodomy.