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If First Class carved out a new pocket in the X-Men lore and Days of Future Past blended the old with the new, then next year’s X-Men: Apocalypse very much represents the culmination of Fox’s so-called “mini-trilogy,” according to producer Simon Kinberg, who spoke recently with Collider about Bryan Singer’s tentpole feature.

On the eve of The Martian‘s international release – said to arrived tethered with the first trailer for Apocalypse – Kinberg spoke briefly about the upcoming threequel, and why he believes it’s a bigger movie not only in terms of physical scale, but also the emotional spectrum that Singer explores.

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It’s worth noting that Simon Kinberg referred to X-Men: Apocalypse‘s culmination in relation to its four core characters – Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, Nicholas Hoult and Jennifer Lawrence – rather than bringing closure to the entire franchise. Though now that Bryan Singer has hopped aboard Nautilus for Disney’s big-budget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea reboot, it’s likely that Apocalypse will at the very least herald a brief hiatus for the mutant-verse.

It delivers on the dramatic story and emotion of the last two movies. It feels like the culmination of the four main characters really — McAvoy, Fassbender, Nic Hoult, and Jen. And it’s a bigger movie in both physical scale and I would say emotional stakes too because it is the culmination of this mini trilogy of stories.