I find it interesting how many believe they know what extraterrestrials would do. How do you know this solar system isn't remarkable, isn't a point of interest, isn't a place to farm certain biological material, isn't a place to conduct scientific inquiry?

Our knowledge of space is infantile. Our instruments haven't even left the Oort cloud. We can only see as far as the speed of light allows. We likely know almost nothing about the universe. What resides out there yet to be discovered is likely well beyond what we are even capable of imagining at this point in time.

There isn't that much that would really seem to stand out about this particular solar system, as stated before. There do seem to be a number of systems with what appear to be oddities, even from the beginning steps that have been taken in star and planet searches, that would almost certainly be more attractive from a scientific viewpoint. From an overview of desirable systems to visit, you'd want to do the ones with what appear to be oddities, to see how they fit in with your theories. And if they don't fit in your theories, to find out why they don't fit. That's how you expand knowledge. Boring systems are ones you do very quickly, hand over to the students so you can tell them what they're doing wrong, and then move on to the next interesting one.

If anyone wants to point out emissions of electromagnetic radiation from the planet, well, almost all of it probably wouldn't go anywhere much. Early on, the radio wavelengths used tended to bounce back to earth off the ionosphere. That's how ham radio setups worked, not to mention overseas radio broadcasts (which would have been amongst the most powerful signals being created at the time. At the time of the start of WWII, the most powerful transmitter in the world was the BBC's in London (which was used to defeat one of the radio beam bombing systems that had been invented by the Germans)). Outgoing radiation would've been very weak and tenuous and virtually impossible to detect at interplanetary distances, to say nothing of interstellar ones. Atomic explosions wouldn't really show up either, and be treated almost certainly as random bursts from the star, if you're observing from any sort of meaningful interstellar distance. If you want to point out that it's different now, well, "foo fighters" date from the 1940's, so some sort of detection would have been made in the years prior to that if they were actually visiting intelligences.

There isn't that much that would really seem to stand out about this particular solar system, as stated before. There do seem to be a number of systems with what appear to be oddities, even from the beginning steps that have been taken in star and planet searches, that would almost certainly be more attractive from a scientific viewpoint. From an overview of desirable systems to visit, you'd want to do the ones with what appear to be oddities, to see how they fit in with your theories. And if they don't fit in your theories, to find out why they don't fit. That's how you expand knowledge. Boring systems are ones you do very quickly, hand over to the students so you can tell them what they're doing wrong, and then move on to the next interesting one.

If anyone wants to point out emissions of electromagnetic radiation from the planet, well, almost all of it probably wouldn't go anywhere much. Early on, the radio wavelengths used tended to bounce back to earth off the ionosphere. That's how ham radio setups worked, not to mention overseas radio broadcasts (which would have been amongst the most powerful signals being created at the time. At the time of the start of WWII, the most powerful transmitter in the world was the BBC's in London (which was used to defeat one of the radio beam bombing systems that had been invented by the Germans)). Outgoing radiation would've been very weak and tenuous and virtually impossible to detect at interplanetary distances, to say nothing of interstellar ones. Atomic explosions wouldn't really show up either, and be treated almost certainly as random bursts from the star, if you're observing from any sort of meaningful interstellar distance. If you want to point out that it's different now, well, "foo fighters" date from the 1940's, so some sort of detection would have been made in the years prior to that if they were actually visiting intelligences.

You assume you would know what would be attractive to advanced alien species. Especially when we know so little about what is unique in the universe. Even if aliens thought like 21st century human scientists, the abundance of life here would stand out and would be investigated. Much like how we investigate every form of life on the earth we discover.

For all we know some extraterrestrials are a billion years older than us, a billion years ahead of us technologically, and are monitoring every species discovered within the Milky Way galaxy. Including us. Which may be why people have been seeing craft with unheard of performance for over a century, accelerating and changing direction at speeds human beings cannot physically withstand.

In fact, the New York Times recently published an article on the subject. They pointed out that the US government has been monitoring and investigating these craft. The New York Times also pointed out that sometimes these craft crash and materials are recovered from them. Those UFO crash materials are then sent to Bigalow Aerospace.

"Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena."

Robert Bigalow, the billionaire who owns Bigalow Aerospace, was interviewed by 60 Minutes less than a year ago. In that 60 Minutes interview Bigalow was asked by Laura Logan:

Spoiler

60 minutes: "Do you believe in aliens?"

Bigalow: I am absolutely convinced, that's all there is to it.

60 minutes: Do you also believe that UFOs have come to earth?

Bigalow: There has been and is an existing presence, an ET presence. I've spent millions and millions, I've probably spent more as an individual than anybody else in the US has ever spent on this subject.

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60 Minutes:You don't worry that some people will say that 'did you hear that guy, he sounds like he's crazy'?

Bigalow:I don't care.

60 Minutes: Why not?

Bigalow: It's not going to make a difference. It's not going to change the reality of what I know.

60 Minutes:Do you imagine that in our space travels we will encounter other forms of intelligent life?

You assume you would know what would be attractive to advanced alien species. Especially when we know so little about what is unique in the universe. Even if aliens thought like 21st century human scientists, the abundance of life here would stand out and would be investigated. Much like how we investigate every form of life on the earth we discover.

For all we know some extraterrestrials are a billion years older than us, a billion years ahead of us technologically, and are monitoring every species discovered within the Milky Way galaxy. Including us. Which may be why people have been seeing craft with unheard of performance for over a century, accelerating and changing direction at speeds human beings cannot physically withstand.

In fact, the New York Times recently published an article on the subject. They pointed out that the US government has been monitoring and investigating these craft. The New York Times also pointed out that sometimes these craft crash and materials are recovered from them. Those UFO crash materials are then sent to Bigalow Aerospace.

"Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena."

Robert Bigalow, the billionaire who owns Bigalow Aerospace, was interviewed by 60 Minutes less than a year ago. In that 60 Minutes interview Bigalow was asked by Laura Logan:

Spoiler

60 minutes: "Do you believe in aliens?"

Bigalow: I am absolutely convinced, that's all there is to it.

60 minutes: Do you also believe that UFOs have come to earth?

Bigalow: There has been and is an existing presence, an ET presence. I've spent millions and millions, I've probably spent more as an individual than anybody else in the US has ever spent on this subject.

...

60 Minutes:You don't worry that some people will say that 'did you hear that guy, he sounds like he's crazy'?

Bigalow:I don't care.

60 Minutes: Why not?

Bigalow: It's not going to make a difference. It's not going to change the reality of what I know.

60 Minutes:Do you imagine that in our space travels we will encounter other forms of intelligent life?

Bigalow:You don't have to go anywhere.

60 Minutes: You can find it here?

Bigalow:Yeah. It's right under people's noses.

Well, what would initially attract an alien species would be what can be observed from a distance. It would seem to be a given that resources are, in general, limited in some way or form, so you want to spend your resources in the manner that gives the best result. Sure, if you want to posit billion year old intelligences, you can believe just about anything is possible. But there's never good evidence available.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for there to be a superior intelligence out there, that can fill in the gaps in knowledge that allows things like fast interstellar travel, or allows medical miracles. Things like that should leak out, if those in the know actually knew anything.

I started studying Astronomy and Astrophysics a long time ago. It does no good to argue over something that's unprovable, one way or the other. Personally, as a result of my investigative studies, I don't believe in extraterrestrial aliens.

I started studying Astronomy and Astrophysics a long time ago. It does no good to argue over something that's unprovable, one way or the other. Personally, as a result of my investigative studies, I don't believe in extraterrestrial aliens.

Yeah I need to actually watch it from season 1 instead of the snippets from youtube as it seems a quality show that tries to use hard science as much as possible. Other than the majik fuel source super efficient main drive how they move and fight and the weapons they use could be done now with off the shelf tech.

They get that em drive technology perfected along with building a moon base so we can use the the stuff in Atomic Rockets safely away from the earth then the beginnings of this future might very well be only a hundred or so years away.

Yeah I need to actually watch it from season 1 instead of the snippets from youtube as it seems a quality show that tries to use hard science as much as possible. Other than the majik fuel source super efficient main drive how they move and fight and the weapons they use could be done now with off the shelf tech.

They get that em drive technology perfected along with building a moon base so we can use the the stuff in Atomic Rockets safely away from the earth then the beginnings of this future might very well be only a hundred or so years away.

Well, what would initially attract an alien species would be what can be observed from a distance. It would seem to be a given that resources are, in general, limited in some way or form, so you want to spend your resources in the manner that gives the best result. Sure, if you want to posit billion year old intelligences, you can believe just about anything is possible. But there's never good evidence available.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for there to be a superior intelligence out there, that can fill in the gaps in knowledge that allows things like fast interstellar travel, or allows medical miracles. Things like that should leak out, if those in the know actually knew anything.

Right, it's presumptuous to assume humans are at the pinnacle of technological development in a universe over 13 billion years old. Our species is 200,000 years old. In a little over a half century our technological progress jumped from first learning how to fly, all the way into space travel.

Just imagine what we could do in 1,000 more years. Imagine what we could do in a million more years, a billion more years. It's entirely reasonable to believe another species already has been around longer than us considering the age of the universe itself. We are a brand new species in a very old universe.

As for leaks, there are already hundreds of military whistleblowers regarding the UFO topic. Including those who say that they've been witness to non-human beings originating from UFO crash sites. Most other military whistleblowers are witness to things like the New York Times recently reported on: craft that are tracked, chased, and end up outperforming all our aircraft to the point that if a human being was inside, they'd be dead due to the G-forces involved in their maneuvers. Other military whistleblowers report craft that hover above nuclear weapon sites, at times remotely arming and deactivating the ICBMs at will.

The only real question is what they are. Are they an advanced earth species? Are they from different planets? Are they from one of string theory's alternate dimensions? Who knows what they are. The only thing that's even close to anything of certainty is that what's being seen is not human, has technology that's not human-based, and has been flying around in our skies for over a century.

I started studying Astronomy and Astrophysics a long time ago. It does no good to argue over something that's unprovable, one way or the other. Personally, as a result of my investigative studies, I don't believe in extraterrestrial aliens.

Right, it's presumptuous to assume humans are at the pinnacle of technological development in a universe over 13 billion years old. Our species is 200,000 years old. In a little over a half century our technological progress jumped from first learning how to fly, all the way into space travel.

Just imagine what we could do in 1,000 more years. Imagine what we could do in a million more years, a billion more years. It's entirely reasonable to believe another species already has been around longer than us considering the age of the universe itself. We are a brand new species in a very old universe.

As for leaks, there are already hundreds of military whistleblowers regarding the UFO topic. Including those who say that they've been witness to non-human beings originating from UFO crash sites. Most other military whistleblowers are witness to things like the New York Times recently reported on: craft that are tracked, chased, and end up outperforming all our aircraft to the point that if a human being was inside, they'd be dead due to the G-forces involved in their maneuvers. Other military whistleblowers report craft that hover above nuclear weapon sites, at times remotely arming and deactivating the ICBMs at will.

The only real question is what they are. Are they an advanced earth species? Are they from different planets? Are they from one of string theory's alternate dimensions? Who knows what they are. The only thing that's even close to anything of certainty is that what's being seen is not human, has technology that's not human-based, and has been flying around in our skies for over a century.

The thing that really counts against the existence of alien technology is that nobody uses it. If the USSR had had access to alien tech, why would their electronics, especially military electronics, still have been based on vacuum tubes (or valves)? Vacuum tubes are insensitive to EMP, true, but they're relatively heavy and bulky compared to transistors, and they aren't an "instant on" kind of tech either. They take time to warm up. They don't like being switched on and off either. Russia is loved by audiophiles these days due to being the source of these things, for the so-called "warmer" sound they produce. And that's just one example. If alien tech existed, and it was better than anything else, then there's no way someone wouldn't have decided it was worth the advantage of being used in a military manner at the very least.

The Fermi Paradox is a good starting point. At the same time, it's a bit outdated. There is now a mountain of evidence that ETs could very well be visiting and have been doing so for a long time.

Outdated? What do you mean by that? It's still a very valid and accepted concept in the Scientific Community. Scientific principles and theories are never "outdated". They are either proven (through Science) to be valid or invalid. Is the Theory of Relativity outdated, simply because of its age? No. It's principles are still being evaluated and in most instances, proven to this very day. In fact, the Fermi Paradox is in its infancy compared with the Theory of Relativity.

If there were a "mountain of evidence", the existence of ET life would not be considered as being possible or, "could very well exist", but rather that it definitively "does" exist.