The Number One Dead Giveaway That Your Wife Is About To Cheat

The wicked knowledge is disseminating to the masses that women are natural born cheaters at heart; perhaps not as indiscriminately promiscuous as men, but neither as angelic as the Victorian and Christian ideal. Husbands all over the world are slowly becoming aware that their wives are compelled by ancient biological forces to cheat during the fertile time of her monthly cycle, and given the right incentives will act upon that urge to infidelity, usually with a higher status man, in order to acquire the beneficial genes in hopes of having a superior child which she can then foist upon her duped husband to help raise.

The princess pedestal has had three of its legs knocked out from under it, and the last leg wobbles precariously. Dark robed shadowy denizens of the Chateau welcome newcomers to its velvet-curtained corridors, where the last semblance of naivete will be stripped from you.

What to do with this knowledge?, some men will ask. Apply it!

First, you will need to know the details of your woman’s monthly cycle. You will need to acquaint yourself with “fertility awareness“.

Find out when your woman has her period. The monthly cycle begins from the first day she bleeds. Women ovulate about midway through their cycle (days 12-14), and sperm can survive inside a woman’s hoo-ha for 2-5 days. So from the middle of the second week to the beginning of the third week (days 10-16) is when your girlfriend or wife will be at her most fertile, i.e. most receptive to getting impregnated by whichever sperm happens to wander in during that time frame.

This fertile window (days 10-16 of her monthly cycle) can accurately be renamed “the cheating window”, because it is then that a woman will feel the strongest horniness for the seed of an alpha male. If she’s going to cheat, she is most likely to do it on these days. If you are a beta provider husband or boyfriend, you are in danger of being cuckolded on days 10-16. If you are an alpha husband or boyfriend the danger of betrayal is still there, because there is incentive for a woman to acquire the seed of multiple competing alpha males. However, alpha males have less to worry about than beta males, as women with alphas tend to be happier, both psychologically and sexually, and thus less prone to satisfy a gina tingle through infidelity. Even when women aren’t happy with their alpha mates, and seek the sexual embrace of Mr. Sensitivo for the emotional connection alpha hubby won’t or can’t give her, she is more likely to cheat with the soft-hearted betaboy fling during the infertile phase of her monthly cycle. Thus, the alpha husband/BF has less to worry about than the beta husband/BF should his woman wander.

Since a woman contemplating cheating during her fertile window subconsciously wants to ensure that any fertilization is done by an alpha male’s seed, and only an alpha male’s seed, she won’t want her vagina polluted with your tepid beta spooge. She will do everything in her power, in fact, to prevent you from penetrating her while she is ovulating.

Armed with this knowledge, we now know the number one dead giveaway that your wife or girlfriend is about to cheat on you:

Is she withdrawing sex during days 10-16 of her monthly cycle? Then you, my friend, are about to be betrayed.

If you hear from your woman “I have a headache” any time during her peak fertility, she has either cheated on you, is thinking about cheating on you, or is getting sufficiently turned off by your burgeoning betaness that cheating will soon become an option in the calculation of her moral universe.

Once fertile window sex withdrawal (FWSW) happens, particularly if you notice a trend of this happening over two or more monthly cycles, then you had better be ready to respond appropriately. By “respond appropriately”, I mean “get the upper hand”. Here are your choices:

Preemptively dump her. (Husbands are shit out of luck on this option.)

Game her. (As LTRs inevitably soften men, you will have to shake the rust off and return to pre-LTR form.)

Take a mysterious leave of absence during her fertile window. (Counterintuitively, a sexually inquisitive wife or girlfriend will be less likely to act on her cheating impulse if her beta mate isn’t around to remind her why she loathes him so.)

Preemptively cheat. (If you’re banging ass on the side, you won’t feel the sting of her sex withdrawal and possible betrayal as much.)

There is one caveat. The pill potentially fucks up the FWSW-cheating nexus by screwing with women’s hormones. If it’s true that women on the pill prefer less masculine men at whichever time of the monthly cycle, then it’s less predictable that her cheating with a more alpha lover will occur during ovulation. Betas take note. Your best bet for avoiding a rape-equivalent cuckolding is to date only women on the pill. Of course, this will mean she won’t have any kids with you, either, but childlessness beats unknowingly raising another man’s child any day of the month.

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Spot on. If you pay attention over time you will be able to judge your LTR’s phase quite accurately. If you’re not in LTR mode, this kind of awareness is even more useful, and it is possible to figure it out and take advantage of it with careful observation.

personally i operate on the assumption that my girls are already cheating; always have been and will long after i’m gone. it a) keeps me on my toes and b) prevents the pain of disappointment because there was no hope or faith to begin with.

Odd but true: their moods and desires change with the phases of the moon. But only to an extent. I think the idea that the menstrual cycle is determinative is wrong. An influence, maybe, but not a main indicator. It’s reductive, and female psychology and behavior are way more complex than that. Unless, that is, they’ve already been desouled by the debt-lord fiat masters. lolzlzlzz!

My pet theory is that the pill fucks up women’s mate choice for marriage.

They’re on the pill for years at a time- so they’re completely satisfied with their beta boyfriend- and end up marrying him. Then comes the time when they’re thinking of the pitter patter of little feet- so they go off the pill. Their newly awaked sexual cycle hits- and they’re consequently completely turned off by their beta male husband, when before he may have been perfectly adequate.

Added to this is the newfound intensity of their sexual arousal- it erupts like a volcano. Giddy feelings or completel arousal and infatuation, previously suppressed by the pill for years, around alpha males return with an irressible vigor. Having not been chemically deprived of these sensations for years, she is ill-equiped to resist them, let alone know what is happening to her.

Add in the fact that women are completely subservient to their emotaional/sensational whims and you have the perfect storm which virtually guarantees that the women will either cheat, cuckhold, or file for divorce when she finally gets off the pill.

Jay tahnks for pointing out that you are ignoring me. lozlzlzlzl !! u wish u were a beta gammaman paying for dinner when i give her her milkshake for free later that night.

you know how a girl is texting during dinner? she’s texting me! meeting at nmidnight once you winde and dine her. lozlzlzlz! thanks 4 saving me some $$$. perhaps someday u can raise my kids too & pay for their school & look me in the face each time u look at ur kids lzozlzlzl

If you are not having sex several times a week, at least, you may as well suspect it if she has options, aka, lacking a protective blubber barrier . Women losing their sex drive is the same myth as men loosing their sex drive at 50. Men never had a sex drive for old fat women. Don’t you love those women who say the men cannot keep up with them? You mean cannot get it up. Yet with men, you can be a fat old woman in her eyes. Women lose interest in their chemically castrated, water bottle sucking husbands.

“Is she withdrawing sex during days 10-16 of her monthly cycle? Then you, my friend, are about to be betrayed.”

I agree 100%. Should be made into Chateau Maxim number one.

Incidently, Robin Baker, in Sperm Wars, goes into vivid details as to the number of defenses that a women will employ to prevent her from being impregnated by her beta provider when her body is craving Alpha sperm. Aside from avoiding sex with the provider, these include:

1. Trying to placate him with oral (and thus avoid a vaginal bust)
2. Making him make her orgasm (increasing the strenght of her cervical filter- thus increasing her vaginal defenses against his sperm) before she lets him penetrate
3. Not orgasming with her provider (decreasing sperm penetration/retention rates)
4. Orgasiming with the Alpha interloper (bypassing cervical filter and increasing sperm pentration/retention)
5. Nocturnal/Mastrabatory orgasms- strengthen the cervical filter

I’m sure that their are more, but as you can see women employ MANY methods to insure that they’re inseminated by the Alpha sperm. Added to this is that they feeled compelled to ride their beta provider bareback both before, and after, their fertile window to help hide their tracks, decrease chances of insemination by him, and dupe him into thinking that the child is his.

It’s pretty important to note that if you’re going to subscribe to this idea that most women aren’t on a perfect 28 day cycle. So if you really care to find out when she’s most fertile and should be most horny, force her to chart basal body temperature and cervical mucus. Plenty of women see cycle variations and some have very long cycles and since the luteal phase is almost always the same (12-16 days depending on the woman), you could see plenty of variation of when the peak window is based on the length of the follicular phase.

women were transformed from the goddess archetype into the temptress archetype to serve ben bernanke & teh federal reserve.

fifty short years a go a woman would have had one partner–you.

now you are expected to shell out $$$$$$ after she has taken numerous massive cocks in all her orfices lzozlzlzllzl

some of us were yet raised in families wherein two parents got along and dad laid down the law like a man. today he (the real alpha) would be thrown in prison as ben bernanke (the beta males) and his feminist police state are backing women.

a fiat currency inverts debt and welath, as well as alphaness and betaness.

alpha manhood comes from character, honor, and integrity.

beta manhood, which charlotte allen tries to pass off as alpha manhood in the weekly standard, is more akin to tucker max who performs secretive tapings of anal sex with girls without the girl’s consent, and thus is held up by neocon charlotte allen as the paragon of alphahood lzolzlz

all you guys thinking you’re betas you’re not. you’re real men.

all teh alphas like mystery are frauds in tehir furry hats and makeup and eye liner lzozlzllzl! wake up and smell teh coffeee!!!!

the federal reserve wants access to your home and bank acocunt, and feminist studies teach women how to transfer your wealth to the fed lzozlz. and then tehy end up single and alone, as the fed pumps and dumps them.

sweety i am sorry ben bernake and the banking cartel pumped and dumped you and programmed you to act on your baser butthex instincts as opposed to your exalted soul lozlzlzl maybe ben benranke can wire you some fiat dollars to feed your cats lzoz

@PA…that is very correct. Girls -even so called good ones or married ones – often show a level of interest around other alpha men while in front of their boyfriends/hubbies that even the biggest player man would never show to another girl in front of his girlfriends/wives.

Why would you be the one examining CM? That’s her job. If you really care to know more, go look at FAM protocol. It’s got all the goodies on how to do CM checks, internal cervical examinations, all that fun stuff. And no, you’re not involved.

I do have some responsibility in all of this. I set the alarm clock for the same time every day, grab the thermometer and record the temp when she’s done. Then I go back to sleep.

You only need to be concerned with infidelity, on her part, if you’re:

1. Married- in which case your women being inseminated by another male is a large concern- presumably you want to continue to be with her, and her getting knocked up, by another man, and carrying the bastard to term, would destroy those plans (assuming you have the dignity and pride to dump her after such emasculating and trecherous actions on her part).

2. Desire to inseminate her- in which case you actually need to concern yourself with competitors sperm, her attraction to you, and her ovulation cycle.

3. Desire to stay with her long enough to do one of the above.

If you have no desire to breed with her then the issue is moot- most women desire children, and will find someone to donate the genetic material. If you’re not interested in the role then just dump her when you’re done stringed her along .

The key game chaning invetion though is Paternity testing. Paternity testing reveals all- in the end.

Proactively making it clear that you WILL be getting a paternity test, on ALL children, will decrease the chances of opporunistic sperm collection, on her part, greatly; she KNOWS she won’t get away with it (presuming that she wants to stay with you anyway- she may just take alimony and child support for your children and cheat to make another kid anyway).

You know, barbara ann, there is a lot more to life than lozzling, showing off your paranoid conspiracy cred, and having young pussy. Most of us here just want to learn how to attract a good woman (there are some, despite your lozzling) and how to keep her. Now shut the fuck up and go back to masturbating over your gold.

how the fed desouls women & transforms them into soulless transferrers of welath

to begin with look around your room… look around it .. tight now… everyingthing your gaze falls upon was conceived of, created by, built, and manufactured by a man lzolzlzlzlzl!!!

the computer you are using right now–the millions of innovations the physics and engineering were all made by men…

alpha men…

beta men like ben bernanke print fiat dollars and fund feminism to transfer the welath that men create to them through divorce alimony child support lozlzlz and they gain access to your private life in the divorce courts lzozllzlzlz and they threaten you with prison if you try to keep foreign cocks out of your wives anusususs.

lozlzl

from an early age women are trained to deny their higher soul and act purely on gina tingle lingle lings

hence charlotte allen does no due diligence and repeats tucker max’s lie that he is six feet all and a successful filmmaker and the weekly standard publishes it becasue the neocons want to define alpha manhood as jonah goldberg’s fat, cherubic face and tucker max’s secrteive tapings of buttsex without teh girls consent lzozlzlzlz!!
tingle lingle!!!

the law is now completely lorded over not by natruaral rights nor religion nor honor nor truth nor beuaty but gina tingles.

to engage in a relationship with a modern woman is to beocme a slave to gina tingles and violent mood swings lzozlzl

ben bernanke and the federal reseverve are generally pro abortion as leftists and they conquered the country by aborting over 50,000,000 men and women and detsorying marriage and then importing pre-grown labor from mexico to vote for bigger government as that is what the c=neocons like lzozllz

lozlzl! you’ve been conquered dude get over it!

they never fired a shot, but they did get a dozen or more cocks into your future wife’s vagina, thusly desouling her and making her loyal to the fiat currency and the state lzozlzl

and now you are supposed to

a) marry her
b) never critizieze her
c) never tell her to stop taking cock on teh side when her gina tingles lozlzl
d) pay her alimony even if yu come home and find her banging the pool boy on the pool table
e) pay child suypport even if the kids aren’t yours lzozlzlzlz

and the great thing is ben bernanke gets a cut

see men are the ones who create, innovate and produce and that is why the federal reserve and corproations surround themsleves with women to tempt and take and convert fiat dollars into physical tangible wleath lozlzlzl

note that ben bernanke and obama would bnver give their jobs to women–only your job lzozlzlz

You know, barbara ann, there is a lot more to life than lozzling (LZOZLZLZLZLZLLZZLLZLZLZL!!)!!), showing off your paranoid conspiracy cred (omg ad hominem attacks from a beta male lozlzl), and having young pussy (schmoe likes the older pussy–the kind you have to blow the dust off of before going down on it lozllzlzl). Most of us here just want to learn how to attract a good woman (there are some, despite your lozzling(yeah there are some good women aout here and some lottery winners too so keep buying the tickets in the gas station as the government wnats yu too lzozlzlzl)) and how to keep her (OMG! KEPPING A WOMEN! IF BEN BERNANKE HEARS SUCH LANUGUAGE HE WILL HAVE YOU THOWRN IN PRISON!!! WOMEN ARE NOT OBJECTS/PROPERTY 2 BE KEPT BY MEN!). Now shut the fuck up and go back to masturbating over your gold. (lzozlozlzl schmoe is a witty bastard lozzlzlzl matrubating master beta lzozl

No woman would disgust and really be repellent to an alpha male (of her interest), that not even an alpha woman. So it follows that in society what alpha men want women forcibly concur, from lack of options. So, men must be honourable, strong and fierce for women to be loyal, receptive and submissive. But remember, male behavior must be coherent and clear; purposeful. Otherwise, women will roll along pretending — with horrible consequences.

Right now they are not even caring to pretend. They have no set of rules to adhere to, as no alpha man can (cares to?) step up and kick the stand, proclaiming afterwards: — “for whom?”.

Wow. Those last three sentences are so spot on. It’s up to good, decent but still alpha type men to tell everyone to cut the bullshit and grow up. It’s up to those men to grab women by the arm and lead them.

I know there are plenty of folks on this site who just want to break through that first barrier and plenty of others, including the site founder who freely admit they have no real moral compass. But there is plenty of room, at least in my opinion, to be alpha and also be a good man. Tough in this society to be sure, but possible. Want a prime example? Go watch The Quiet Man. One of my favorite flicks of all time. John Wayne dragging Maureen O’Hara across the Irish countryside and not taking her shit anymore is fantastic, as is the fight scene with her brother. Great stuff.

One interesting element to consider – particularly if you live in an on-campus dorm situation – is that multiple women living in close proximity have a well documented tendency to synchronize their menstrual cycles. The current theory is that this is accomplished via pheromones, but the short version is that at some point in our evolutionary past, women living together in social groups would ovulate at the same time in order for an Alpha male(s) to impregnate them simultaneously. From an evolutionary standpoint, women collectively sharing parental investment would have a better species survival rate while ensuring top shelf genetic material.

After almost 14 years of marriage I’ve learned that the best way to deal with mood swings and PMS is to expect it. That might sound stupid-simple, but it works. I have my wife’s menstrual cycle down to a science, I know exactly where she is right now with regards to her upswing and drop off and I adjust my LTR Game accordingly. I’ve gotten to the point where it’s just a natural habit for me to intensify the C&F and Alpha-tude when she’s on the hormonal build up side of the ovulatory bell curve.

This is one of the most valuable things I’ve ever learned about women. Anticipating her moods with regards to her cycle and adjusting my considerations accordingly. I NEVER make, or allow her to influence, any decisions of any gravity during her down cycle. I’ve also learned to apply this to the women I work with and use it to my advantage once I have their schedule somewhat pegged (women dont like you to know when their periods are because they KNOW that they’re subject to more emotionalism that affects their judgement). Women living and working in close proximity that have synchronized their cycles makes dealing with them in a work environment that much easier. My old friend and work associate and I used to actually track the ladies in our office cycle’s on a dry-erase calender since we were the only men in the office. This schedule was predictable like clockwork.

Also, the majority of shit tests a woman will deliver occur during the downside of the cycle. Expect them and pass them, and on the upcycle you will reap the rewards. This shit is gold, I don’t know why I’m not charging for this information,..

I should also add that, once a guy is able to read the signs of a woman’s cyclic point, he can also apply this to his sarge. The single guy can use this handily to his own advantage if he knows how to accurately read a woman at the peak of her cycle. Women in their ovulatory peak are far more sexually accessible than women on the downcycle of the bell curve. Women also have a well documented tendency to dress more provocatively when they are at the peak of their ovulation:

This may not be possible with a random woman in the clubs, but if there is a woman you are familiar with and PAY ATTENTION well enough to observe her moods over a couple of weeks you can better plan a sarge (assuming there’s IL of course). This isn’t a magic bullet, but it is a useful tool for the tool box.

Also, it should go without saying, but I’ll add the warning, that if you do indeed F-close during this peak, be sure you wear a condom. You’re essential knocking it out with a woman at the top of her fertility window, so buyer beware.

@PA: “Without quite disrespecting you, does she light up and eagerly chat with them?”

Fun story: I got invited to the birthday party of a young lady I hardly know. She spent the time chatting me up. Her boyfriend, rightly, was annoyed with this and went to go talk with his pals. She made him apologize for being insufficiently friendly to … me, the dude chatting up his girlfriend. I’m not bastardly enough to have tapped it, but it was one of those “man, woman are eeeeevil” moments.

@PA…that is very correct. Girls -even so called good ones or married ones – often show a level of interest around other alpha men while in front of their boyfriends/hubbies that even the biggest player man would never show to another girl in front of his girlfriends/wives.

Yes but I think that differential is very much cultural. Women used to feel more inhibited about it and men less so.

Feminism mostly through chick flicts and sitcoms has changed that. Men are shamed as boorish when they are seen to do it – which beta males trying to be nice guys or good feminists are particularly influenced by. At the same time men are warned that it would be seen as “controling” and “insecure” and “jealous” if they tried to stop their wife or LTR’s “innocent flirting”.

I’ve never entirely understood how women can get away these days with this flagrant double standard in their favor, but they most assured do, with most guys. I think in so far as challenged, after asserting the “controlling” etc. explanations, if pressed about why it isn’t controlling of her to get pissed at him, they’ll say well “you know men are dogs and they have to be warned and controlled. With me it’s just innocent flirting. Don’t you trust me?”

Which is of course crap. Women are even less to be trusted because if her flirting gets her to the point of making her really want to, the guy is likely to accommodate her cheating. With the guy light flirting won’t usually seal the deal. It takes some followup, usually. (Unless the wife has already decided to cheat w/someone suitably edgie/alpha, as stated.)

I was just reading how women act more like men during their period (because of increased testosterone); and, several times when I’ve hooked up with girls they were on their period; so I wonder, is that another time she will cheat on you?

It doesn’t “potentially” fuck with FAM, it makes it totally useless. The pill pumps progesterone into the body, raising BBT (basal body temperature) and making the vagina inhospitable to sperm. And for what it’s worth, a recent study suggested that women are actually slightly more cautious during their fertile window than otherwise. Think of it as a form of natural birth control.

Now that said, women are also way hornier in general during peak fertility so while it might be tougher to pick up a chick during that time because she’s naturally more defensive, if you’ve already busted down that gate, the floodwaters should be set free. If it’s not, well, then you have a point.

And for the record, I’m not a doctor or anything like that, but my wife and I do practice NFP.

why are you so proud of 14 years being a slave to your wife’s cycles that sounds like fucking TORTURE!!!!

why must you kneel before mentral cycles? WTF can’t she control them? i thought women had minds and branis and were capbable of reason and rational thought?

and here you are telling us how to tippy-toe around base instincts lozlzlz ozlzlzlzlz and beocme slaves to gina bilogical functions lozlzlalala

yer a loozer dude lzozlz

but i do understand your bowing down beofre her cause otehrwise she would divorce you and you would pay for her to hop on alpha cock giving her alimony to hop on giant alpha cock who couldn’t give a fuck about her cuycles lozlzlz

I just left a comment on 60 years of challenge book in Game Resources post and I think his approach is both simpler and makes more sense that “traditional” view of evo-psych alpha-beta stuff (I say there that I didn’t field test yet, but also I say it fits very nicely with my past experience). The points as I see it:

a) High status (alpha) is most lacking in what’s called micro-avoidance in the book – hesitating on daily micro tasks, basically due to a habit of being knocked down into low status that turns into (over)expectation of being knocked down.
b) it feels good for both sexes when attractive opposite sex member is close and touching.

So here you have it, real alphas (not some “leaders”) from Achilles and Ghengis Khan to your dumbest HS knucklehead don’t micro-avoid and go for it. In primitive societies this also works as indicator of fitness (and that’s why it is attractive). Betas hesitate and so masturbate.
Practical implications here I guess are the same and I sure wouldn’t knock down evo-psych as a theory, but perhaps the whole thing is not as complicated. Don’t forget, this is how evolution works – very simple random processes, not “intelligent design”, very Occam razor friendly. Females feel more sexy during ovulation, non-hesitant high-status boys sex them, hesitant betas are too hesitant to leave.

“I have my wife’s menstrual cycle down to a science, I know exactly where she is right now with regards to her upswing and drop off and I adjust my LTR Game accordingly. I’ve gotten to the point where it’s just a natural habit for me to intensify the C&F and Alpha-tude when she’s on the hormonal build up side of the ovulatory bell curve.”

LTR Game is mentioned a lot, but I don’t much written on it. What, in practice, is the difference between it and pick-up Game? Where can I find out more about it?

And what are the signs to look for to monitor the cycle? Irritability? etc. Would appreciate some additional insight.

H says: “Is she withdrawing sex during days 10-16 of her monthly cycle? Then you, my friend, are about to be betrayed.”

Absolutely correct.

The other side of this coin is that during those days women are wettest and horniest. If your woman is happy with your Alpha-ness, then it is during that time that she is likely to do the ‘I-want-sex’ moan or else just jump on you.

So, her behaviour during days 10-16 is an indication whether you are getting your LTR Alpha game right.

to spend a second worrying about how many cocks are in her vagina when you’re not there is kinda silly and you can be thrown in prison for worrying about this under the fed’s and neocon’s laws. lozlzlz! then you’ll have to worry about coks in your own anus as opposed to cocks in her pussususysysysys lolazz

the federal resevre’s takeover of women as intruments of welath transfer has ruined them for men. the soulless beasts are of no use to us naymor lzolzlz!!

i mean i feel bad for all the 30 year olds with sore anuses who wasteed their best years with his cock in their poop chute instead of building a family story via fiath and loyalty to a man lzozlz. but hey–that’s what women choose, as they have no foresight nor moral imagination lzozlozlzlz

i’d figure that a woman’s horniness for her LTR wouldn’t fall off during her ovulation; it’s just that she’ll seek to fuck other guys on the side.

if she’s ovulating and she’s trying to maximize the genetic fitness of her offspring (subconsciously), according to sperm competition theory she’d just ramp up her sexual behavior and spread it out over multiple guys.

either way, i’d like to try this experiment out on my own. not that i have any inkling to believe that my LTR is cheating, i’d just like to see if she’s hornier during that ‘slut window’. i’ll check to see if she’s freakier too.

This morning, on the metro, Pupu took a sneak peek at someone’s paper and found the news on the Large Hadron Collider unbearably romantic. Just think about it — $90 billion spent on a hope to catch a glimpse of the beginning of time and the birth of the universe.

Hormonal rushes can make a woman cheat on love and go for passion :)

[editor: you crack me up.

ps hardon colliders are what happens when a woman’s cheating window overlaps with her domestic bliss window.]

Omega Dork
““to propose to a owman is to give someone a diamond who so many others had when she was younger hotter tighter tighter hotter younger FOR FREE!!!!”

Yeah, that is kind of ass-chapping, isn’t it?”

when you propose to a girl these days, there are those who came before you when she was younger/hotter/tighter who had her for free and there are those coming (cumming) after you who will get her for free while you are paying her alimony. lozlzlzlzl!!

I had to alpha it up there with the whole “force” business. Folks who use NFP as their form of birth control check BBT and CM daily quite willingly. After all, if you don’t want a kid right now, it’s probably a good idea to ensure that you’re not having sex during fertile times, right?

It’s really no big deal and quite frankly, I think it’s good for relationships. I know some may have a problem with the idea of not having sex every day, but I think some absence makes the heart grow fonder. Or at least makes her a bit more anxious for satiation when the infertile times roll around. I think even he would agree since he’s frequently advocated from shutting women down from sex when they want it on occasion just to either A) keep them off balance or B) to make them want it more later.

I’m with Maurice in this, I think there is an effect on horniness during ovulation (if that hasn’t been prevented by her using any of the hormonal methods of birth control, which includes some IUDs and the ring form, and the shot) but that it is often exaggerated.

Well, I think it’s a much more pronounced effect on some women than others. Though we all know that during PMSing (which is similarly variable in intensity in different women) it’s usually a good lot harder to get any.

Preemptively dump her. (Husbands are shit out of luck on this option.)

Not entirely. Not entirely if she doesn’t already have kids by you.

Yeah the costs are higher than just being in a non or live together LTR, and a lot higher if you’ve made a lot more money than she. And divorce almost always has nasty transaction costs unless there’s so little at stake that neither spouse wants to contest anything; but even then someone has to move.

Michelle Langley in her Women’s Infidelity says that all the hundreds of men and women that she did in depth psychological interviews from her book, in only two cases once the man new or suspected his wife had cheated upon him were couples able to piece their relationship back together – meaning mostly in only two did the woman want to (sometimes the man didn’t want to either, but not in most of the cases Langley encountered). In both those cases the man delivered a swift and uncompromising ultimatum to his wife, and in one he accompanied that by filing for divorce – which he eventually withdrew.

Not sure if they mean jobs for hot chicks or hot jobs for chicks, but the list includes all the predictable regulars such as graphic designer, medical receptionist, personal assistant, retail associate, pharma sales rep and yes, public relations.

Are you 14 years old, “special”, or just a fucking dipshit? (Make sure to use as much nonsense words in your incoherent reply as possible). Your comments give off the foul stench of broken, defeated man; as if some ungrateful slut broke your wittle-bitty heart oh so long ago, and you’re STILL not over that shit.

“Amused mastery” is the goal dude…amused mastery – not hair-trigger, cartoonishly faux-alpha responses that aren’t even worthy of a Miley Cyrus text message.

Are you 14 years old, “special”, or just a fucking dipshit? (Make sure to use as much nonsense words in your incoherent reply as possible). Your comments give off the foul stench of broken, defeated man; as if some ungrateful slut broke your wittle-bitty heart oh so long ago, and you’re STILL not over that shit. ”

lzozlzl and all you guys are alphas programming your slutty wives menstral cyucles into excel spreadsheets and crunching the numbers to determine what you should say and when so as to keep her from taking in other cocks lolzlzlzlzllz!!!

you guys are soooo pw3d that even if you can’t tell teh difference between anal sex and a blowjob even when you’re giving them to your wiuves boyfreinds lzozllz

“But the husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract.”

if she’s a bitch i text a diff 20 yr old while you guys are using your iphone apps to deal with her gina bitchness hornomnal sluttery lzozlzl. u guys can have her when she’s difficult. she’ll be with me when she’s bitch free and bicth free only as i am the man of my house lozozlzl

CH, birth control pills inhibit ovulation. That’s probably why women on the Pill prefer betas, and why it’s “unpredictable” that a woman on the Pill will cheat with an alpha during her supposed ovulation period (which the Pill inhibits). If she’s not ovulating, she has no pressing drive to mate up.

The missing part of the story is that women can ovulate in response to being exposed to a high value man.

Women screaming and fainting when they first saw the Beatles? Screaming – advertising high emotional state and ovulation. Fainting – trying to ensnare the target by getting him to show concern, basically it’s an opener.

Since you can’t tell in advance when she’s going to ovulate, a more reliable way to tell if your LTR has cheated or really wants to is this – does she try to initiate sex?

If she’s initiating after she’s back from a trip or a girl’s night out it’s because she’s already pregnant with another man and wants to deceive you. nycbachelor gives a good summary of other tricks she’s got going on.

Actually, reading Chaucer and Shakespeare and other history makes it seem like cheating wives and cuckoldry were also problems back then. At least they put laws and customs in place to mitigate these problems.

Chateau: “…given the right incentives will act upon that urge to infidelity, usually with a higher status man, in order to acquire the beneficial genes in hopes of having a superior child which she can then foist upon her duped husband to help raise….”

Female hypergamy is a central female behavioral trait..most of the time. But one occasionally sees the doctor’s wife screwing the country club manager, etc. Where does that phenomenon fit into your Weltanschauung?

What I’ve learned is women are not logical or objective and are unable to see the financial and educational difference between a doctor and a bar tender, or the difference between a doctor and country club manager.

It’s possible you could walk up to a woman and say “I belong to a golf course that’s featured on TV, and he belongs to a nine hole course” and she wouldn’t understand, or invest the time to realize you are higher status since you a member at Shinnecock.

If the country club manager acts like a doctor and the doctor acts like a nurse, then that’s your answer right there.

Maybe the country club manager (golf pro) has better genes than the doctor, so she can get the best of both worlds married to the one, and reproducing with the other.

In the case of the doctor’s wife, maybe she got used to her current lifestyle, takes it for granted, and doesn’t foresee economic consequences of cheating on her wealthy husband. Or maybe she married him for money and feels she has already given him enough.

One interesting element to consider – particularly if you live in an on-campus dorm situation – is that multiple women living in close proximity have a well documented tendency to synchronize their menstrual cycles. The current theory is that this is accomplished via pheromones, but the short version is that at some point in our evolutionary past, women living together in social groups would ovulate at the same time in order for an Alpha male(s) to impregnate them simultaneously.

How exactly does that work?

Can the “one alpha” take on ten women at once? That seems a little unlikely.

This actually is proof of the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claim. It shows that one alpha DID NOT in fact have all the women in the mythical evo-psych past.

@john
“Female hypergamy is a central female behavioral trait..most of the time. But one occasionally sees the doctor’s wife screwing the country club manager, etc. Where does that phenomenon fit into your Weltanschauung?”

You make the apparent mistake of assuming her hypergamous attraction switches are tuned solely to actual job status and income.

Tend to agree with you here. Having a cycle NOT tuned to the others should give the woman an advantage in getting the alpha sperm, since she can get him when he’s drained, exhausted and otherwise busy servicing the others. There may be some purpose to it, but the reason proposed by Rollo doesn’t seem to make sense.

” Can the “one alpha” take on ten women at once? That seems a little unlikely.

This actually is proof of the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you claim. It shows that one alpha DID NOT in fact have all the women in the mythical evo-psych past.”

Are you sure about that? In my prime I did the same girl 5 times in one day thus without the Coolidge effect. Assuming he was out on the trail and could be by for a few days, he could easily bang 10 in 3 days after a sack packed layoff. Why are they syncing up? Rather than just poking holes, what is your reason?

What kind of women are you guys seeing? I can’t believe you have so much trouble keeping them faithful. Ever think of looking for a virtuous woman? They do exist but they are rare and priceless, just like a good man.

Thinking out loud now: I guess the reason you guys don’t get together with these women is that smart virtuous women don’t like man whores because they know they need a faithful partner to raise a family properly with.

Nothing personal but it seems you guys are going about this the wrong way.

if she’s ovulating and she’s trying to maximize the genetic fitness of her offspring (subconsciously), according to sperm competition theory she’d just ramp up her sexual behavior and spread it out over multiple guys.

Yeah, actually Baker’s book goes into several behaviors (outlined by nycbachelor above) that women engage in which have the effect of favoring the lover’s sperm over the husbands sperm, such as maturbating, timing oral sex and so on. In addition, having regular sex with her husband not only serves to decrease the chance of detection by him, but also makes it far more likely that her lover will win the sperm war, because the number of sperm husband will be ejaculating during “regular” sex is modest when compared to the huge number her lover will inject into her. Taking all the behaviors together, the female sexual response seems rather well tailored both to hide cuckolding and to make cuckolding fertile.

It’s important to note that this is not, for the most part, conscious behavior. It’s programming. A woman will feel the desire for masturbation or oral sex or what have you, and so she pursues that. The wiring underneath that, though, primes her body to promote the lover’s sperm and cuck the husband.

Baker comes to the conclusion that the female wiring is simply superior because it allows her much more freedom to select seed while retaining provision — in other words, her wiring is much better at getting what her genes want (the genetic quality of alpha sperm coupled with the investment quality of provider beta “dads”) than male wiring is at getting what males want. Of course, that was before men started to study such things and write about them, thereby demystifying them.

no longer will tehy be able to command women to follow their gina tingles, abort their children, rob their husbands, give it up for free to beta males while denying alpha males of honor and integrity pussy while taking all tehir money via alimony and child support lozlzl!

no longer wil they be able to hire legions of future cat women, wiring the fiat cash and telling them to h8 on honor integrity and truth and beuaty and homer and hskaespeare lzozlzl

“Are you sure about that? In my prime I did the same girl 5 times in one day thus without the Coolidge effect. Assuming he was out on the trail and could be by for a few days, he could easily bang 10 in 3 days after a sack packed layoff. Why are they syncing up? Rather than just poking holes, what is your reason?”

Whether he “Could” do it is besides the point. The question is, how does advantage a woman to be trying to access during the same time as all other women? Why is she not more advantaged by accessing him during the time of the month that the other women are out of commission? whatever he could do for her during the peak demand week he could do better during the low demand week.

“Nothing personal but it seems you guys are going about this the wrong way.:

Actually, most of them tried it your way, and got f@cked over because of it. There is no virtuous woman store where you go pick one out and she comes stamped with a V on her forhead. Over the long haul, her virtue is, unfortunately, almost always a function of how she continues to view her mate. You don’t like that fact, so you don’t agree with it.

Are you sure about that? In my prime I did the same girl 5 times in one day thus without the Coolidge effect. Assuming he was out on the trail and could be by for a few days, he could easily bang 10 in 3 days after a sack packed layoff. Why are they syncing up? Rather than just poking holes, what is your reason?

I think you are well aware that the amount of sperm at the fifth time was far less than in the first. As is true with every man.

Some in the Catholic Church claim that the divorce rate for those that practice “Natural Family Planning” is supposedly less than 5%. Since the whole concept revolves around abstaining from sex during that Day 10-16 window, perhaps the woman in the relationship is far less likely to cheat and has developed more self-discipline in controlling her urges than those that don’t practice NFP.

“Some in the Catholic Church claim that the divorce rate for those that practice “Natural Family Planning” is supposedly less than 5%. Since the whole concept revolves around abstaining from sex during that Day 10-16 window, perhaps the woman in the relationship is far less likely to cheat and has developed more self-discipline in controlling her urges than those that don’t practice NFP.”

Maybe, or maybe those couples are more tied together because they have so many kids (due to the failure of the natural family planning to prevent pregnancy – whether or not she cheats on him during that window and bears children that aren’t his).

NFP definitely works if the woman is observant and systematic. Not only do you not get pregnant by avoiding days 5-16, you maximize your chances when you do want a kid. (Avoiding only days 10-16 is riskier because sometimes an ovary fires prematurely — there is a small risk on days 5-9 because sperm live a few days). It’s a bummer to miss the sexiest time, though.

white woman says, “why are there no good men left? al the guys i hang out with stick their cocks up my ass? why are all guys like this? why does every guy i date pump me and dump me? there are no nice guys left not one. boo hoo lzozll!”

Actually, I will retract my prior reasoning – I really dont’ know much about it’s effectiveness if followed correctly (though I suspect following it “correctly” is more the exception than the rule).

I would guess that divorce rates would be lower among that group because, for the same reasons they willing to follow the Church’s request to practice birth control that way, they are also more willing to adhere to the Church’s views on divorce. In other words, this group is not a randomly selected group (i.e., they are inherently more devout), and members of this group were less likely to get divorced even before they started practicing any birth control. Correlation is not causation.

By extension of this theory, if she never has a period, what are the chances she is a dude who had an operation?It hasn’t happened to me, yet, but it is a concern with the advancements of today’s plastic surgery.

“Baker comes to the conclusion that the female wiring is simply superior because it allows her much more freedom to select seed while retaining provision — in other words, her wiring is much better at getting what her genes want (the genetic quality of alpha sperm coupled with the investment quality of provider beta “dads”) than male wiring is at getting what males want. Of course, that was before men started to study such things and write about them, thereby demystifying them.”

what you guys don’t seem to understand is that up to fifty years ago whores were exiled, and men made damn sure their wives daughters sisters weren’t whores.

I think you guys are looking at it the wrong way. I bet their cycles get in line with each other as a form of competition. It would be evolutionary advantageous if you could undercut another woman’s reproductive success by taking up the Alpha male’s attention during the fertile window. Higher status women would be more successful in the group than lower status women.

Women are less attracted to men outside their partner during their fertile phase if their partner shows higher genetic quality through more masculine features and greater genetic symmetry.

Satisfaction in the relationship also had an effect. Women who experienced more satisfaction in their relationship (LTR game?) experienced less attraction to other men during their fertile phase. Still, relationship satisfaction was a greater component in extra-partner attraction during the luteal phase than it was in the fertile phase.

dude! you write, “I think you guys are looking at it the wrong way. I bet their cycles get in line with each other as a form of competition. It would be evolutionary advantageous if you could undercut another woman’s reproductive success by taking up the Alpha male’s attention during the fertile window.”

lollz guy said: “white woman says, “why are there no good men left? al the guys i hang out with stick their cocks up my ass? why are all guys like this? why does every guy i date pump me and dump me? there are no nice guys left not one. boo hoo lzozll!””

She should hold out for a better offer. If she gives it ways often enough to just get ANY dick, she’s going to get it in ANY hole. Quanitity and quality are inversely related here.

I guess the reason you guys don’t get together with these women is that smart virtuous women don’t like man whores because they know they need a faithful partner to raise a family properly with.

Nothing personal but it seems you guys are going about this the wrong way.

It’s been said many times in these comments that faithful women can be found in small town churches. As long as you’re willing to wake up on Sunday with her and go to church, you’re in.

Look, the market for “faithful partners to raise a family with” i.e. Beta Providers is saturated. Yes, you can play a Beta Provider game in a small town religious community. Outside of that, tough shit.

Besides, some of the best and most popular posts are on “LTR game” or Long Term Relationship game. In other words, tips and strategies to manage a relationship with a woman’s complex psychology.

What you should observe is we feel this way, and we are “just the tip” of the iceberg. You should listen to us.

We get frustrated when a single girl rated a 6, turns down a single guy rated a 6, and then she has the audacity to complain “there are no men”. I’m sorry, it doesn’t work like that.

The fact is modern western society has said:

A MAJORITY OF THE MALE POPULATION IS UNFIT AND INELIGIBLE.

We, here at CH, do not accept that. We want to see the US stay at the forefront of world power, and we believe a guy that plays by the rules, takes care of himself, and adds to society should be able to have a family. This is how our ancestors built this into the greatest nation on earth.

White Woman asks, “What kind of women are you guys seeing? I can’t believe you have so much trouble keeping them faithful. Ever think of looking for a virtuous woman? They do exist but they are rare and priceless, just like a good man.

Thinking out loud now: I guess the reason you guys don’t get together with these women is that smart virtuous women don’t like man whores because they know they need a faithful partner to raise a family properly with.

Nothing personal but it seems you guys are going about this the wrong way.”

Well, the hard truth is that just like trying to find an honest lawyer, it’s hard to find a beautiful woman who is virtuous.

The priority though, is to get women who are as beautiful as they can get. So long as they’re getting what they want, who are you or I to say that they’re going about it the wrong way, if it works?

Nature always arranges itself perfectly, no matter what we humans think or do. If this generation is lost on the pill and casual sex, then so be it. We’ll be overrun by radical Muslims, and maybe they’ll learn from our history, so that when they become more liberal, they’ll do it more sanely.

In between now and then, people like me will be hunted down and executed for being witches or something, but this is a lesson for us freaks too. If we don’t use our individualism to step up, rule, and prevent things like radical feminism from rendering our people functionally homosexual, then we open a vulnerability for better breeders, no matter how otherwise screwed up they are.

Sux to be at the mercy of people who chop off reporters’ heads, but make more babies.

“There is one caveat. The pill potentially fucks up the FWSW-cheating nexus by screwing with women’s hormones. ”

This is definitely true, however, I do think there are ways around that. Even hormone altering drugs cannot mask forever a woman’s true desire for alpha cock. The truth will always come out, in one form or another.

Oh yeah I don’t sweat the blue pillers who try to make us all blue ballers lolzoozzllzozoz.

A lot of betas only chance is to tell fiat lies and feed the fiat misandry and as a reward they get a fat wife. Lolozlzlz.

Many, many men in churches want you to think that jesus christ was like them. A small, little whiney liar and doublespeaker who liked poking his cock into fat pigs liketheir jg wives lolozlzozzl. They would have you believe that jesus christ was a lying counterfeitingfiat socialist interested in butilding vast church buildings on the back of the commonman and filling his coffers with fiat dollars. Lolzozozlz

nycbachelor – My own experience with my birth control pill-taking wife went as you outlined.

She’d been on the pill for more than 10 years by the time she stopped – for health reasons, and perhaps to get pregnant. She’d spent her entire adult life on the pill.

Her hormones kicked in when she went off the pill. She wasn’t prepared. She started cheating on me with an alpha male that pushed her daddy complex buttons. I saw it coming, found outt about the infidelity immediately after it happened – but the relationship was destroyed.

You have to hand it to the guy – he’s over 60 and fucking a young woman with the body of a fitness model.

What was particularly galling was that she’d reached out to arrange her first fuck date on our 7th wedding anniversary – that very day. The fact that she’d set up their first fuck date via email, in advance of one of my business trips, convinced me that I could never trust her again.

I’d always thought she was a lying bitch, but that she was my lying bitch. Men need to understand – once the vagina tingles go away, women will cheat.

We dissolved the marriage according to the prenup. She just wanted out so she could start her new life, so I got everything I wanted. Having been married so long, she could have really screwed me over.

Churches are filled not with virgins but with born again whores infected with stds who have been pumped and dumped by bikers rockrers drugguies and now use the fiat jesus to tell you to forgive them!

Where was jesus on the night she spread her legs wide 2 take massive cock? Why did jese stand by and watch as the ten incher violated her orifices and she screamed in pleasure and beggedv for more.

Biker rocker dude got her for free qand now the church says you gotta forgive her sins and pay for a ring and then forgive her sins and pay her alimony when she goes back to the biker cock knowing that the modern fiat jesus forgives but never passes the true jesuses jdugment lozzlzolzozzozl.

Contrarian reports: “She’d been on the pill for more than 10 years by the time she stopped – for health reasons, and perhaps to get pregnant. … Her hormones kicked in when she went off the pill. She wasn’t prepared. She started cheating on me with an alpha male that pushed her daddy complex buttons. I saw it coming, found outt about the infidelity immediately after it happened – but the relationship was destroyed. … What was particularly galling was that she’d reached out to arrange her first fuck date on our 7th wedding anniversary – that very day.”

Not only is this a f*cked-up thing to do to a loving husband, but it’s a horrible violation of integrity and one’s word to another person and friend… not that it matters for an unprotected creampie from a “hot” guy, screw basic decency. (Other women are “sluts” for acting that way but she just “had” to, of course, you know.)

One thing to keep in mind about female cheating is that they are instinct-driven to get on with it quickly – as soon as the gina-tingles for her primary provider begin to fade. I mean, her hind-brain knows her package is getting older and the window of alpha cock opportunities is closing. Even if her fore-brain tries to deny this her hind-brain is likely twitching with an awareness of it.

In addition, having regular sex with her husband not only serves to decrease the chance of detection by him, but also makes it far more likely that her lover will win the sperm war, because the number of sperm husband will be ejaculating during “regular” sex is modest when compared to the huge number her lover will inject into her. Taking all the behaviors together, the female sexual response seems rather well tailored both to hide cuckolding and to make cuckolding fertile.

Contrarian says, “I’d always thought she was a lying bitch, but that she was my lying bitch.”

One day you’ll look back on this and laugh.

No seriously.

Between the lines here is a “Captain Save-a-hoe” saga. I’m not saying what she did was remotely okay, but if you had a male friend who lied all the time, would you trust him with anything important? Would you even call that person a friend?

Why require less from mates?

It’s the power of physical beauty, I guess…makes fools of the wise.

My question is though, was it worth it?

In one of our epic struggles, I pointed out to H once that a woman with options is more likely to use them to score a higher status or more wealthy man. She’s also more easily able to have affairs just because her tingles are telling her to seek new genes. It’s just a matter of supply and demand. Her product is in high demand.

So, if a guy can only get it up well enough for a certain kind of women who also happen to be the mainstream favorite, he should get used to the idea of not committing unless or until he comes across the real unicorn, and then probably move to a desserted island or something.

Looking back on it, would you do it again?

Do you still look for the same thing in a partner that you did back then?

If so, have you gotten used to the idea that as he has said, that it’s hard to be virtuous when you have a shot at vice?

Jesus (not “The”) said: “So, men must be honourable, strong and fierce for women to be loyal, receptive and submissive. But remember, male behavior must be coherent and clear; purposeful. Otherwise, women will roll along pretending — with horrible consequences.”

There’re lots women who find that an “uncomfortable” turn-off in favor of the image of Alphaness (you know, the mascara-ed peacocking dude) who’s “a lot of fun” (i.e., makes ‘em “feel alive” via multiple orgasms in a dozen different positions though he’s an irresponsible cheater) instead… being responsible (like John Wayne) is approval-seeking mama’s-boy behavior, of course.

As bad as the lolzer guy is, he has two things going for him. First, he’s supposed to be a troll so at least you can tell he’s annoying on purpose. And second, in the midst of all the gibberish he occasionally makes some thought-provoking points now and again.

Those two things alone make him infinitely more readable and worthwhile than total waste of space dumbasses like gunslinger.

This great books for men guy is friggin hilarious although he does detract from the greater discussion. His last post was the greatest april fools joke i could possibly wish for as I did not realize it was him till i got to the end of the post

“Contrarian reports: “She’d been on the pill for more than 10 years by the time she stopped – for health reasons, and perhaps to get pregnant. … Her hormones kicked in when she went off the pill. She wasn’t prepared. She started cheating on me with an alpha male that pushed her daddy complex buttons. I saw it coming, found outt about the infidelity immediately after it happened – but the relationship was destroyed. … What was particularly galling was that she’d reached out to arrange her first fuck date on our 7th wedding anniversary – that very day.”

Not only is this a f*cked-up thing to do to a loving husband, but it’s a horrible violation of integrity and one’s word to another person and friend… not that it matters for an unprotected creampie from a “hot” guy, screw basic decency. (Other women are “sluts” for acting that way but she just “had” to, of course, you know.)”

What was that we read the other day- “Men cheat, women betray.” This is a glaring example of exactly that behavior.

@OhioStater
I did a quick Wikipedia search and English common law notes:

“But the husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract.”

What’s this “most men are judged unfit and inelligible” bullshit? By whom? I know many not-very-masculine men of varying age ranges and they’re all either in relationships or between them, with the exception of two who are extremely self-sabotaging as a result of mental illness. I don’t know any who are virgins.

What I *do* notice a lot is a certain attitude of entitlement and upward mobility (hypergamy?) among both men and women, which leads them to be unwilling to forsake other options. Everyone feels entitled to an assembly line of ass/carousel of cock.

Is whining about the mutual exclusivity of mating strategies, a mating strategy? Buck up, fellas. It ain’t as bleak as all that.

Can the “one alpha” take on ten women at once? That seems a little unlikely.

Perhaps not simultaneously in some wanton orgy in the numbers you’re suggesting, but it’s certainly possible to impregnate a group of 4 to 5 women concurrently. You’re also presuming a single Alpha exists whereas there would’ve been more in early social groups. Bear in mind the peak fertility window can last as long as a week and a half to two weeks. You’re also making the mistake of applying our present societal conditions to the environmental conditions of our evolutionary past. Up until about 2,000 years ago, polygamy was the norm and women were considered men’s property. This in itself being the result of our earlier hunter/gatherer society roots and a communal need to share parental investment socially to ensure species survival.

Menstrual cycle synchronization is a well documented phenomenon. What other species survival utility would you suggest to have caused this function to be selected in for human beings?

Biker rocker dude got her for free qand now the church says you gotta forgive her sins and pay for a ring and then forgive her sins and pay her alimony when she goes back to the biker cock knowing that the modern fiat jesus forgives but never passes the true jesuses jdugment lozzlzolzozzozl.

Wow, that was actually semi-coherent. Excellent point though, a lot of born-again hypocrites in Christian culture, plus there’s cheating and cuckolding in those communities too. In the end, women act in their own interests and if it serves their gina tingles and bank accounts to divorce and fleece her now-disrespected beta-ized hubby then that’s what she’ll do.

Jerk Off writes,
“This great books for men guy is friggin hilarious although he does detract from the greater discussion. His last post was the greatest april fools joke i could possibly wish for as I did not realize it was him till i got to the end of the post.”

More ad hominem attacks from the tippy toe betas.

I have a theory.

The amount of ad hominem attacks a man launches is inversely proportional to the numbver of chicks he bags, as ad hominem attacks are girly and women like men of honor, courage, and integrity. lzozlzlzl

“NFP definitely works if the woman is observant and systematic. Not only do you not get pregnant by avoiding days 5-16, you maximize your chances when you do want a kid. (Avoiding only days 10-16 is riskier because sometimes an ovary fires prematurely — there is a small risk on days 5-9 because sperm live a few days). It’s a bummer to miss the sexiest time, though.”

Yeah, I’ve heard this as well—from of my ex’s married friends. The friend and her hubby did NFP and she was religious about it. Days 6-16 they didn’t have sex and they never had any pregnancy mishaps. Sometimes she would ask him to go to the whole 10 days without an orgasm. Why, you ask? Because at the end of that time period, his loads would apparently be HUGE and she absolutely loved it.

hey jerk off–where do you think i was making an april fool’s joke? stop being a little girly gilr and man up and cite specifics you lzozlozllzer.

hey peter masive christian churches (fort gods) tehse days are built upon debt based fiat dollars, scearming for foreign wars on foreign shores. the fiat jesus is a false jesus and he commands women to

1) engage in anal sex all tehy want
2) take massive cock in all their orfices whenever they feel like it
3) get forgiven by giving fiat dollars to the church
4) get a beta male to forgive their sinsand pay for the bastard children
5) get the beta male to pay fiat alimony and fund her hopping on more cockx

pre-marital sex is stricly prohibited in the judeo christian religion

without this fundamental tenet intact, the contract hath been broken. all bets are off.

marrying a cock-loving whore is like buying a car without the engine and three wheels missing, except the car won’t sue you into oblivion for missing chil;d support payments for kids taht aren’t yours, and the car won’t makie you pay alimony once you’re done driving it. lzozlzl

and yes sure i forgive all the fiat whores but they must forgive me when i say please stay out of my home let’s have sex in your home mostly as tehre is less liability there and i don’t wnat your biker rocker boyfriends / ben bernanke to know where i live as you aren’t worth teh troyuble as too many cocks have pumped liquid into you and you might have stds american woman lzozzllzlzlzlzlzll.

anonymous wriets, “As bad as the lolzer guy is, he has two things going for him. First, he’s supposed to be a troll so at least you can tell he’s annoying on purpose. And second, in the midst of all the gibberish he occasionally makes some thought-provoking points now and again.

Those two things alone make him infinitely more readable and worthwhile than total waste of space dumbasses like gunslinger.”

“If this dude has had his weiner touched in the last century i would be surprised lsozllzlzzl”

i totally want to have unprotected fiat funded ben bernanke butthex with this fuckin’ jerk

i can’t believe what a bunch of whiny cunts he’s turning half of you fags into–

this is what it looks like to be an asshole, irrational exuberant self confidence, refusal to be concerned with the wants and needs of others, confusing reversals from moron to genius, annoyance to laughter etc

this is what you are telling men to treat women like you fuckin idiots

Peter said: “Excellent point though, a lot of born-again hypocrites in Christian culture, plus there’s cheating and cuckolding in those communities too. In the end, women act in their own interests and if it serves their gina tingles and bank accounts to divorce and fleece her now-disrespected beta-ized hubby then that’s what she’ll do.”

“The Lord is my shepherd; he knows what I like,” as they say. (“Inshallah,” as our Muslim bretheren put it… or “It is better to strive and fall short then not strive at all– I’ll have another Johhnie Walker and one for the lady.”)

Jews and Armenians do quite well despite having a reputation, deserved or otherwise, for dishonesty.

A ruthless Armenian who marries a super-intelligent, pretty, very hard-working and dishonest Jewess does it knowing that he’s more likely to produce a clutch of smart, attractive and ruthless kids than if he marries a typical woman.

Yes, he knows he’s got to keep his eye on that greasy Jewess – but assuming she follows the few rules that really matter, what’s not to like?

Crocodiles mate with crocodiles. A foul-smelling pig mates with another foul-smelling pig. I was in the market for a smart, ruthless woman that wanted to reproduce and, at some point, raise kids. I searched and found someone.

If you see a capable woman who achieves things that require impulse control, you can start thinking they have discipline and won’t ruin their life for silly reasons. But take that same woman off the pill and she might do it.

My understanding of the entire episode is that I took a calculated risk and got a bad outcome. In general, I take a lot more risks than normal people. I don’t view the world like normal people, either.

Asking “would I do it again” doesn’t make sense. In the past, I didn’t know things would end badly. There is no way to return to the past, be clairvoyant and make different choices.

The reality is the current situation. I’m 10 years older than I was back then. I’m not looking for the same thing.

I’m not surprised most people choose vice over virtue. In my ex-wife’s case, it wasn’t even a choice. Her hormones took over. As rational as she can be, she couldn’t resist acting in her long-term interest once her hormones kicked in.

That’s what’s interesting. She knew she’d get in trouble. She just didn’t care. That’s a warning to anyone who thinks that women are rational. The most rational & calculating women, when under the influence of their hormones, will potentially wreck everything.

“That’s a warning to anyone who thinks that women are rational. The most rational & calculating women, when under the influence of their hormones, will potentially wreck everything.”

There is no question this is true. I went to a pretty top school with tons of really smart, accomplished women. ALL of them went weak with the power of the gina tingle. Hormones wiped away all sense of rationality or judgment – except, of course, rationalizing why they should follow the orders of the tingle.

Just as most women don’t have much in the way of mathematical reasoning ability, and the few who do aren’t very interesting as women, most women aren’t honorable, and the few who are, aren’t interesting as women.

I wanted a woman with the performance traits (IQ, ability to delay gratification) and similar Weltanschauung. I found someone who was exceptionally optimal in that regard.

I wasn’t looking for someone honorable. Had I insisted on her being sufficiently honorable, in addition to having all the other traits, I probably wouldn’t have found anyone to marry.

I was looking for someone who’d see that it was in her rational self interest to remain married and raise some kids. You don’t need an honorable woman to do that – just one with a long term view.

The hormones “made her do it” in the sense that if she hadn’t gone off the pill, she would likely have behaved differently. Just compare how a bitch behaves versus a dog. When a bitch comes in heat, she stops eating and tries to find a mate. A neutered bitch, in comparison, lives to eat, sleep and play.

Honor really has nothing to do with it.

Funny enough, she was honest about her desire to seek new adventures. It was clear she wanted that daddy cock weeks in advance. I could read her well enough to see the trouble coming.

She was dishonest in the sense that when I explained that she had two choices, ending the marriage or remaining faithfully married, she said that she wanted to remain married. Once she’d lied that way, she had to pursue her desires secretly.

Contrarian, I can understand your situation because I’m not normal either. It’s difficult to find someone of compatible abnormality, especially female, when you’re talking about natural superiority. People don’t like that word, but there are traits that make for a better predator than others.

I ask these questions because I gambled and lost my first time around too, for similar reasons. I was the boring wife who couldn’t compete with the rainbow of more “outgoing” hoes.

We did manage to make an uberkind before we were done though. For this, it was worth the gamble, so I don’t fault you at all. I would do it again. If it wasn’t against my principles to be a single mother on purpose, I’d have bought his sperm and cranked out a couple more, but I’m not a feminist. The idea of a brood of independent thinkers without a father’s guidance/enforcement and accountability factor appeals to me about as much as being the unpaid housekeeper of a group of height challenged gangsters.

I disagree though, that hormones are the reason for her behavior. Hormones would be the reason she’d become attracted to older men, and maybe even leave, but to behave dishonorably requires a lack of honor. Hormones can make you impulsive, but they don’t make someone a liar.

I’m afraid that by blaming the hormones, you’re letting her and perhaps women in general off the hook. The least she could have done is be honest about her desire to seek new adventures.

Contrarian says, “I wasn’t looking for someone honorable. Had I insisted on her being sufficiently honorable, in addition to having all the other traits, I probably wouldn’t have found anyone to marry.”

This is exactly what my BB was thinking when he married that bargirl (Ultimate Beta Move of the Century), a short while before he met me.

Honor and morality are not the same thing. Sometimes one may have to do things that are technically immoral in order to adhere to a code of honor.

Moral women are boring. Honorable women just don’t run on unnecessary drama. It is never in an intelligent, beautiful, charismatic, and resourceful woman’s rational self interest to be married and raise children with a particular man. All men (humans really) are unstable. To do it, a woman has to be utterly irrationally attached to her spouse and by extension, the idea of raising his offspring.

She has to be able to pass up a “better offer” and stand her ground, not because her man is the best or even the best for her, but because he is hers and she views herself as belonging to him.

It has to be crazy and obsessive to the point that she will at least want anyone who tries to harm him d e a d. She has to view men, regardless of their “quality” who attempt to come between her and her man as intruders threatening her most sacred temple, and rebuff them with the passion of a mad tigress.

Her honor should drive her to do filthy, horrid, immoral things, if that’s what it takes to protect or defend her man.

We are masters of moral acrobatics. Honor is what keeps that working on your behalf, rather than against you.

It’s kind of a joke of nature that the most honorable women are not usually the most beautiful, but if they were, they probably wouldn’t be as honorable. They wouldn’t need to be, in order to attract quality men.

I’d like to think that it’s more of an inside joke though, since age does tend to bear us out in the end. It’s just a shame that we’re most appreciated only after our reproductive peak.

Men/women who’re “a lot of fun” tend to wind up dead, in jail, broke, with AIDS, etc. and so do their partners… which should dissuade folk from acting like that (in in the old days when we couldn’t “have it all” just ’cause we felt like it) but nowadays we’ll just go to hell in a handbasket and enjoy the ride.

By nothing other than chance, I’ve never had an extended sexual relationship with a woman on the pill. The major downside has in every case been that I’ve had to wrap it up just when the woman is most eager, the gina, well, it’s been written above.

I’ve also long known that a woman whose smell I don’t find pleasing, even intoxicating, is not one with whom I am likely to enjoy any real chemistry. I’ve been told by every woman whose smell I’ve enjoyed that they very much enjoyed mine, showered or not, never mattered.

Then it turns out that mate selection relies at least in part on smell because men and women both, but women to a greater extent than men, are able to assess genetic compatibility based on scent.

And THEN it turns out that women on the pill are essentially unable to make this assessment. Ergo, women on the pill make poor mating choices, which is why, if I ever get married (unlikely) it will under no circumstances be to a woman taking oral contraceptives.

Since birth control arguably made the sexual revolution and feminism possible, I would go so far as to assert that it is not either of the latter but the former that is responsible for the impending collapse of, well, society, if we are to put a realistic point on it.

Women have been relieved of the need to reason before they act (or fuck), and we have also been so kind as to bend reality in such a way that they are, at least in the sexual sphere, completely unaccountable for those actions. Amazing.

Carthy, I’m with you on the smell thing. The scent of the woman is a major part of her attraction. Especially the crook of her neck. When she’s in love all sorts of pheremones will waft off her as well, which will make a man drunk.

I’m in complete agreement that if the smell is not intoxicating, the chemistry isn’t there.

The smell is sometimes the main thing I’ll remember about a girl. You inhale her and are comforted and entranced and turned on and calmed down all at once.

Contrarian, your sitation is so different from the ones I’ve known that I won’t be able to say anything of value or even give much helpful empathy. I’ve never lived with a woman that long.

I suppose people take different strategies, short or long, with women. You had aimed long, and got medium. How much of that was pill related, honor related, relationship related, or what have you would be hard to pin down. I’m guessing that after such a huge loss you’ll find it hard to love as deeply and trustingly again.

I think what a lot of us do with the fear of loss and with the desire to bond is to find our own balance. For some the balance is to never see the same woman for more than two date. For others its lifetime monogamy. For most a loss or a succession of losses will alter where our balance point is.

For myself my balance point is to look for a good run. Maybe a year or two. Maybe ten. Just a good run, however that works out. This allows some flexibility and keeps me on my toes. I can’t imagine ever seeing a relationship as permanent – that would be setting myself up for a fall I don’t want to ever have.

Also, it should go without saying, but I’ll add the warning, that if you do indeed F-close during this peak, be sure you wear a condom.

Any single man without a vasectomy is showing his beta side. At a minimum he has some kind of latent desire to serve a woman by paying child support. Vasectomy reversals are way cheaper than child support, should he eventually decide to have children.

Nycbachelor’s description of what the pill does to women corresponds to my own experience. That’s why I felt the urge to communicate my own experience. Hopefully people will learn from it.

The timing of my ex-wife’s infidelity is such that I think hormones were a huge factor.

With her first ovulation (after quitting the pill) she expressed in interest in “daddy”. Clearly there was a crush. With her 2nd ovulation, she was definitely in heat and craving daddy cock. It was during the 3rd ovulation when I was away on business when she rendezvoused with daddy.

I was the same person throughout the marriage. If she was going to cheat on me because I was horrible, no fun, obsessive, possessive and sexist, it could have easily been earlier.

Just as PMS is a real phenomenon, just as racial differences are a real phenomenon, a man who wants to fuck a woman that some other shmuck thinks is his woman should try working with the woman’s ovulation cycle, not against it.

Even now, I see it in action. When she’s in heat, she wants daddy cock. When she’s not in heat, she wants to spend time with me. If she’s pissed at daddy (because he’s not giving her attention), that means providing me with sex – to spite daddy.

She’s entirely at the mercy of her hormones. When she was on the pill, she was entirely different.

Contrarian, whats all this about hormones? i think youv’e got the wrong end of the stick. Your woman cheated because shes a dirty little whore. Nicole was right about something for once, can’t let a bitch off lightly for her “hormones”.

There is nothing going on in a womans body(pill or otherwise) that compares to the testosterone running through even a relatively low T man’s body every damn day.

So is it cool for every man to go rape the nearest 10 or touch her innapropriately?

Is it ok for you to kill this old fucker now? Or your wife? you must be pretty pissed off, angry, aggressive…..

Every day you peform miracles compared to the self control your woman has shown. No love, no respect, no honour, no discipline. Fuck her hormones. Shes a shit woman.

Through the theorizing of my gloriously brilliant mind when I saw a beautiful woman marrying a huge beta and later found out she had been on the pill for years, and, coincidently, the entire duration of their relationship.

She also had a sister- big time alpha chaser who I boned for about a year.

With my knowledge of the mechanics of how the pill works, I deduced that it- and not genetic/upbringing differences between the sisters, was responsible for the sisters differing mate choices.

Contrarian, the question is then, how can a guy prevent this happening? Not date women on the pill?

It’s not such a big deal if you’re in an area where most unmarried women are not on the pill, but those are generally rural areas where there isn’t much premarital sex going on between young people who aren’t committed partners.

In urban areas, many of not most girls (with any sense) are getting on the pill around 16-19, and staying on it until they’re ready to have children. A few groups are now encouraging women to stay away from hormonal birth control for health reasons, but few young women listen to us.

This is a problem that could take a couple of generations to solve.

If we are successful in getting women to opt for barrier methods, there will also be a rise in unplanned pregnancies. Are men really ready for that?

“Just as PMS is a real phenomenon, just as racial differences are a real phenomenon,”

It’s absolutely hilarious that you bring these two things up. As a biologist-in-training, I can assure you, you’re wrong on both counts. Neither of these things are straightforwardly “real” phenomenon.

[editor: you should get a refund from whatever internet diploma mill you’re currently studying at. this statement of yours completely discredits you. get off my board dumbass!]

PMS, strangely enough, does not exist in non-Western cultures– not in name, nor in symptomology. There is no known etiology for what’s called PMS, and the cluster of “symptoms” that the alleged syndrome extends to include are so wide, varied, and unrelated to what’s known about endocrinology that there is plenty of debate about whether they have anything to do with estradiol/estrogen levels or the female reproductive cycle. Plenty of research indicates that the typical behavioral symptoms associated with “PMS” actually have nothing to do with hormones– statistically, these behaviors are just as likely to occur in women who are pre-luteal as those who are post-luteal. The only ‘symptoms’ (see the way this is pathologized for no apparent reason) of PMS that have any solid medical merit are water retention, fatigue, and breast tenderness. Even these are likely the result of industrial waste and other environmental toxins, as they do not exist in pre-industrial horticultural societies.

“PMS” is a syndrome that has been questioned for at least a hundred years, and one that is part of a long androcentric tradition in medicine where female health problems, especially mental health problems, are erroneously attributed to hormones. In fact, our mental health can be almost entirely explained by and attributed to genetics and molecular neurobiology, as these factors are shaped by an organism’s environment. Hormones most likely play an extremely minor role in shaping “personality” or susceptibility to mental illness.

There is some clinical evidence that PMDD (a very severe form of dysphoric disorder that coincides with the post-luteal phase) exists, but it is extremely rare and is most likely caused by hormonal hypersensitivity (which I would guess is genetic and, again, rare).

As far as race goes, there is no genetic basis for “race” as it’s commonly understood. The “races” are actually population groups that branch off from a common ancestral group in sub-Saharan Africa. “Race” is a by and large a social construct based on ethnicity and tribal affiliation rather than any clear and discrete line of biological demarcation. There is no “black” gene. There is no “white” gene. There are clusters of certain traits among population groups that evolved together in one geographic location, but even these are extremely minor on the molecular level. Genetically, there is no such thing as “race”, only a huge gene pool of alleles that drift around from generation to generation.

I’m sorry about your experience with your wife, Contrarian, but as anyone who’s taken even a 100-level statistic course can tell you, a sample of 1 has quite a wide margin of error. Consider finding a larger data set, or some peer reviewed articles, and we’ll talk about the alleged link oral contraceptives and female fidelity.

“Just as most women don’t have much in the way of mathematical reasoning ability, and the few who do aren’t very interesting as women, most women aren’t honorable, and the few who are, aren’t interesting as women.”

Wrong again.

Females outperform males on ever statistical measure in schools today, including mathematics. There is a slight trend where men tend to fall either very high on the distribution curve or low on it, with women more likely to cluster around the mean. But, in general, there is no difference whatsoever in the mathematical reasoning ability of men and women.

[editor: you are incorrect about this. at the right tail of innate math talent men are far more represented than women.]

Many studies have concluded something very interesting: that, rather mysteriously, when people stop insisting that women can’t do math, their scores double and triple. Whodathunk? Stupid stereotypes limit people?? I’m shocked.

Anyway. Don’t talk about things you don’t know about, it just makes you look foolish! Stick to what you know. Science certainly isn’t within your ken.

I’m not sure how men can prevent what happened to me from happening to them. The pill is legal pretty much everywhere. Even Japan caved in on that; after being illegal for decades, the pill is legal in Japan.

Whenever Djerassi and Rosenkranz (inventors of the pill) meet, I bet they do high fives or flying nose-butts to celebrate the terrible and permanent damage they’ve done to Western Civilization.

In a few years, the info about what the pill does to women’s mate preferences ought to be more commonly known.

Contrarian, maybe a guy should add that to his edgy game arsenal. It might be tricky since feminists are running around saying that a guy trying to control your contraceptive choices is abusive, but it’s better than the alternative.

Because of the side effects, my husband is the only one I’d get on the pill for. I don’t see the point in taking it before already being in a committed relationship since you’d be using condoms anyway. So it’s a very sane thing for a guy to ask his girlfriend not to get on the pill or stop taking it before the relationship moves to the next level.

I can see two strategies for a selfish guy: if you’ve got a good sex partner on the pill, you encourage her to stay on the pill (or get on the pill) – so you can keep having the most fun. If you’ve got LTR material, you demand she stop the pill and see how it turns out.

Let’s consider the methodology
1) data studied posthoc. ie. the exams were never intended for the purpose of evaluating the far right side of the curve.
2) from data on No Child Left Behind tests. the tests are focused on a minimal lowest level of competency
3) a test that the highest achieving students HATE HATE HATE HATE taking. The highest achieving students consider these exams to be boring and a waste of a day, and for which they give token effort at best.

So what can be surmised?: when the highest high school and grade school male and female math achievers are required to take an exam that bores them to tears, a post hoc analysis will find no gender performance differences.

The stuff about the pill significantly altering a woman’s mate choice is bogus. Yes, hormones are altered while a woman is on the pill but it’s not as much as you guys think, especially with modern low-estrogen pills (the pill had several times the doses of progesterone and estrogen back in the 70s/80s).
I was on birth control for 6 months. Met my boyfriend before I was on it….Still liked him during that 6 months on the pill, and now I’ve gone off the pill temporarily in order to train for a triathlon….No difference in the attraction level to my boyfriend (who I’ve been with a year and a half)

Catriona, that’s the thing…You met your boyfriend before you got on the pill. If you had been on the pill when you met him, your eye might have been drawn to a different, possibly less dominant guy.

Individual orientation and preferences come into play, but anything strong enough to keep you from ovulating is well…keeping you from ovulating. You’re missing that time of the month when your drive is higher, your behavior and face more feminine, and your natural selection mechanisms sharper.

A guy you select when you’re not on the pill is likely going to be sufficiently masculine and dominant for your tastes, so going on the pill won’t matter. A guy you select while you’re on the pill might not be quite enough for you once you’re off it.

Hormones, within reason, don’t have too much to do with a person’s morality or honor code, but they do matter when it comes to attraction. They even affect how a guy looks and how much exercise he’s driven to get, and how much unconscious activity he does. It’s like the bar for visual and scent indicators of testosterone levels is lower when you’re on the pill than it is when you’re not.

Hmmm…while we’re on the bar, maybe a woman’s perception of her own value as a mate reduces on the pill. She basically becomes infertile, and the body doesn’t know that she consciously chose to render herself infertile, and that the condition is temporary.

It could also be that presuming that one is going to have casual sex, and therefore needs to be on the pill, could also be psychologically damaging. It’s like a bulhemic buying a stock of junk food because you presume that you’re going to overeat.

If you knew how and why hormones rise and fall during your cycle you would not say much about Birth Control Pill dosages per se. BCPs interrupt the feedback processes that cause the drastic rising and plunging of estrogen and other hormone levels. These changes are huge and this is what BCPs shut down. The dose in the pill has more influence on complications and derangements directly related to estrogen – like an addiction to purchasing shoes.

“Catriona – Throughout history, women like you have reproduced, generation after generation, despite your general inability to reason.”

What about my post indicated a general ability not to reason? I was simply pointing out that since the doses of hormones in modern birth control aren’t very high (compared to the earlier forms), it may not be altering womens mating choices as significantly as many of the commentators on here allege. I agree there may be a slight difference however but not enough to where the woman should reject her husband/lover once she goes off the pill- that would be the fault of either flakiness on the woman’s part or some other underlying issue the woman has, not the pill. Yeah, so I provided an anecdotal story, but that’s not my entire basis for my opinion regarding the pill and it’s effects…if that’s why you think I lack the ability to reason?

Contrarian, “no price is too high”. I used to be kind of miserable when I was younger, because I was confused. When I got older, my nature drove me to keep asking questions, and eventually to ask the right ones, which got me the information I needed to settle my mind about things.

So now, I’m quite happy, but when I look around, I see that the “everybody else” I thought was happy around me while I was miserable, are the ones who are really miserable while I’m happy. I was even happier than them when I was feeling miserable.

Someone who thinks and solves problems is always going to have awareness of the problem. Not thinking about it doesn’t make the problem not exist though, so either way, it’s affecting everyone. It’s just that the one who finds the solution eventually alleviates or finds a way to cope with the problem. The one who remains in the dark never really gets over it. They just keep getting pounded until they’re worn out.