its not even that, it just wouldn't be worth it, especially with what we got. I'd much definitely have all the guys we got, rather than a stupid pick like Hawk, and waste all the rest of the picks away. Hawk, don't get me wrong is great, but for US, not worth it.

-05-05-2006

tomahawk247

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

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Originally Posted by Varg6

its not even that, it just wouldn't be worth it, especially with what we got. I'd much definitely have all the guys we got, rather than a stupid pick like Hawk, and waste all the rest of the picks away. Hawk, don't get me wrong is great, but for US, not worth it.

Yeah we had too many holes really to consider trading off the entire draft for one player. Plus what if he didnt work out?

Its much better and safer to draft like we did, pretty much every position on the defense got an upgrade, especially if you think Alston will play both safety and OLB, and we improved both positions on offense that needed improving

-05-05-2006

txramsfan

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

There's nothing safe about the draft

-05-05-2006

general counsel

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Agree 100% tx. The key with trading for hawk was a hope that he slipped past 5 to say 7 or 8. I never said i would give up two 1's for him, and certainly the trade down may affect our value proposition over time. Only time will tell whether hawk is worth more than ty hill, klopfenstein and wroten, which at the end of the day is what we got with our 1 and 2 picks. I will say this, i would rather have the three guys we got than just huff.

ramming speed to all

general counsel

-05-05-2006

onslaught11

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Poslusny next year!!!

Yeah

-05-05-2006

HUbison

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

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Originally Posted by onslaught11

Poslusny next year!!!

Yeah

Which would require us to go somewhere around 4-12 this year. Maybe it's just me, but No Thanks.

However, if he's still there at 32....

-05-05-2006

Nick

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varg6

its not even that, it just wouldn't be worth it, especially with what we got. I'd much definitely have all the guys we got, rather than a stupid pick like Hawk, and waste all the rest of the picks away. Hawk, don't get me wrong is great, but for US, not worth it.

Stupid? We have the luxury now of knowing the alternative to trading up. A week ago, I don't recall many people if any saying that trading up for Hawk would be stupid if the price was reasonable.

-05-05-2006

majorram

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

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Originally Posted by Nick

Stupid? We have the luxury now of knowing the alternative to trading up. A week ago, I don't recall many people if any saying that trading up for Hawk would be stupid if the price was reasonable.

Couldn't agree more nick

-05-05-2006

Varg6

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

Stupid? We have the luxury now of knowing the alternative to trading up. A week ago, I don't recall many people if any saying that trading up for Hawk would be stupid if the price was reasonable.

Nick, what I meant to say was that knowing what we got now from the draft, I'd say NOW that it would've been stupid, because we got so many good players, why waste it for just one? I think we got a few steals, and I think overall the draft was a really big success. Would you have traded our draft that we had for Hawk? (even at a reasonable price, which we all know, wouldn't be a reasonable price)

-05-05-2006

theodus69

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by txramsfan

There's nothing safe about the draft

Is that why the post dispatch changed to red on the website? ever notice how irritating that page looks?:D

-05-05-2006

RamsFan16

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Me too man. Me too!

-05-05-2006

Nick

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varg6

Would you have traded our draft that we had for Hawk?

Well for one, there's no scenario where the Rams would have traded every single draft pick to the Packers to get Hawk, so comparing our entire draft to one player doesn't work at all. But there are a number of ways it could work out where we have a great draft even had we traded up for Hawk.

All I'm saying is while it's easy to sit here and say now you don't like that move because of how good of a draft we had, a number of people were fine with it prior to the draft for a reasonable cost. I believe I even remember you saying it would be wise to move up and take one of our top three targets (Hawk, Huff, Davis).

The only reason someone can sit here and call it stupid is because our draft worked out. But there's no reason our draft woudn't have also worked out had we made this move. Which means it wouldn't have been a stupid move, but just a different one, IMO.

-05-05-2006

Fortuninerhater

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

The bottom line is this, if you go into the draft thinking logically you would probably come to the conclusion that the Front Office did. And that is, that no one player in this draft, who has never played a down of PRO football, is worth the price it would've taken to move from 11 to 5.
Assuming everybody plays to their potential, there is no way AJ Hawk could match the production of 3 players in the long run.

-05-05-2006

Nick

Re: Im glad we didnt spend tons of picks trading up for Hawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fortuninerhater

The bottom line is this, if you go into the draft thinking logically you would probably come to the conclusion that the Front Office did. And that is, that no one player in this draft, who has never played a down of PRO football, is worth the price it would've taken to move from 11 to 5.

I'm not even sure that's true. There were reports via NFL Radio during the draft that the Rams were in talks with Green Bay to try and trade up. Whether it was for Hawk or Davis, it's hard to say. But it was reported via radio the Rams did in fact try to move up.