Your kids aren't your's

Just thought I'd let everyone with small children know that they aren't your's. Nope. That's what MSNBC says anyway. My gosh! I can't believe that Americans can possibly think this way. But, sadly, Americans voted for this type of thinking. Forget individualism or freedom. Just hand everything over to the government.

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No. But no one should be telling you that your kids aren't yours either. There is no way I would send a kid to public schools these days. Since the federal government got involved, the schools have gotten worse. This woman was not talking about paying school taxes. We already do that.

She is now saying that she didn't mean it the way it sounded. I call bull on that. This was a scripted commercial, she new exactly what she was saying. I predict that before Obama is out of office, they launch a full scale attack on home schooling. Just wait and see.

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How did education relate to her point?

As for schools getting worse, the links below show that student test scores have done nothing but improve over the past 40 years. I, for one, was not even required to take math classes in high school, growing up in Rochester, MN in the early 80's, so I KNOW that kids today are coming out knowing more about math than I did.

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Originally Posted by ban basketball

How did education relate to her point?

Her very first sentence was about investing more in public schools. Did you even watch the video? I haven't had time to look at your links b/c I'm about to head to work. I'll look at them later. But a quick question, do they show how we compare to the rest of the world now as compared to the past? It doesn't really matter if scores improve here if they are falling behind the rest of the world. Competition is global now, not just within the U.S.

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Originally Posted by quinn14

Her very first sentence was about investing more in public schools. Did you even watch the video? I haven't had time to look at your links b/c I'm about to head to work. I'll look at them later. But a quick question, do they show how we compare to the rest of the world now as compared to the past? It doesn't really matter if scores improve here if they are falling behind the rest of the world. Competition is global now, not just within the U.S.

Yes, I watch the entire video, and why I asked you the question. She's an educator, like myself and like Shane who runs this forum, and ask any educator if they feel a sense of community responsibility for our kids and they will answer an emphatic yes. Education, by it's very nature, helps raise our kids collectively. I can assure you that no one is coming to round them up.

Yes, the U.S. does not fare well with other countries in education, but within our own country, which i showed in the links, our own scores have gone up significantly over the past 40 years. So, no, it isn't getting worse.

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I apologize for having to keep hitting and running but I just got off work and heading to the gym. I'm curious as to why we have dropped significantly in global education over the years. You 're a teacher, enlighten me. From where I sit, there can only be two reasons. Either parents aren't doing their jobs and making their kids study or our teachers aren 't teaching as well as they used to. Maybe it's a combination of both. Either way, it doesn't make a compelling argument for good parents to stop thinking their own kids are their own responsibility. In fact, it drives home that point even more.

If their are other reasons our education system is failing globally, please tell me what they are. And I really hope you aren't just going to bring up money b/c that gets into taxpayer pensions and healthcare and I really don't want to rehash that debate.

Again, sorry about my limited time to post links to our global education.

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Originally Posted by quinn14

I apologize for having to keep hitting and running but I just got off work and heading to the gym. I'm curious as to why we have dropped significantly in global education over the years. You 're a teacher, enlighten me. From where I sit, there can only be two reasons. Either parents aren't doing their jobs and making their kids study or our teachers aren 't teaching as well as they used to. Maybe it's a combination of both. Either way, it doesn't make a compelling argument for good parents to stop thinking their own kids are their own responsibility. In fact, it drives home that point even more.

If their are other reasons our education system is failing globally, please tell me what they are. And I really hope you aren't just going to bring up money b/c that gets into taxpayer pensions and healthcare and I really don't want to rehash that debate.

Again, sorry about my limited time to post links to our global education.

I, nor anyone else has the easy answer to this question, but I can tell you this much: like wrestling, other countries are catching up to the best.

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Re: Your kids aren't your's

Originally Posted by quinn14

I apologize for having to keep hitting and running but I just got off work and heading to the gym. I'm curious as to why we have dropped significantly in global education over the years. You 're a teacher, enlighten me. From where I sit, there can only be two reasons. Either parents aren't doing their jobs and making their kids study or our teachers aren 't teaching as well as they used to. Maybe it's a combination of both. Either way, it doesn't make a compelling argument for good parents to stop thinking their own kids are their own responsibility. In fact, it drives home that point even more.

If their are other reasons our education system is failing globally, please tell me what they are. And I really hope you aren't just going to bring up money b/c that gets into taxpayer pensions and healthcare and I really don't want to rehash that debate.

Again, sorry about my limited time to post links to our global education.

I'm genuinely concerned for anyone who's actually obtuse enough to have come away with that idea. You're literally getting this as ass backwards as possible. Not once does she say that your children ARE NOT your responsibility. What she IS saying is that everyone has a stake in how children turn out.

Ever heard the term "it takes a village?" I know, for the Fox loving Neo-Cons, this gets to be pretty heady stuff. We need to minimize it to one short cliche. That was her ONE problem. She assumed that people such as yourself were intellectually capable of understanding such a simple point. Apparently she was wrong.

LOL...I can't imagine a more innocuous statement or point of view, and I guarantee if this was not on Fox, this would have been just another one of those commercials on MSNBC.

But the FoxNews people were bored and they thought, "gee, wonder if we can get the paranoid morons worked up on this one," and they kept their BA at 1.000!

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