therealdeal wrote: 3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.

I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

What makes everyone so confident we will have a potent rebuild in 2014?

Like I said in the past the Lakers have usually gotten TOP-tier players via free agency when we're pretty good and on the cusp of being great.

Frankly, we are not good or great today. I don't know if trading Pau will turn us from *this* to good but if it does, then sure. Re-sign Dwight, renegotiate contracts, and contend.

I think an infusion of just 1-2 guys could make us a good team right now. You never know how these things happen, all of the sudden the vibe and culture of a team starts changing from just a couple guys doing great things.

I think that could get us to being a playoff team and put us in a good place with the expiring contracts we'll have coming off the books in 2014 to make a run at someone great to put us over the top.

therealdeal wrote: 3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.

I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

What makes everyone so confident we will have a potent rebuild in 2014?

Like I said in the past the Lakers have usually gotten TOP-tier players via free agency when we're pretty good and on the cusp of being great.

Frankly, we are not good or great today. I don't know if trading Pau will turn us from *this* to good but if it does, then sure. Re-sign Dwight, renegotiate contracts, and contend.

Unless I'm way off in my math..... we have a roster near 100M right now.... In 2014 everyone's off the books..... So the MOST we can spend is the Cap amount. We have no picks to pay other than a couple second rounders before then as well. So we will have to spend the CAP amount plus the Exception (I think it will be available to us) to get a team of 13 to 14 players. If we attract one or two top tier FA will will be filling the roster out with Vet Min players I'm afraid.

Our problem is that we have no young players that are developing and no picks to get them. In 2014 through 2016 we will be at or near the salary cap and have no pieces to trade other than the one or two valuable guys we sign.... so I'm not sure how we are going to BUILD at that time unless we trade some of the current team for young players that actually belong at this level and picks.

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Doc Brown wrote:We still have our 2014 1st rounder if I looked it up correctly.

That's better than I thought.... but I'm still not sure how the 2014 plan can net us more than we could get by trading for talent and picks now.... It seems that our payroll will be very close to the cap then.... I'm not sure we can put a team on the floor that can compete if we have a max player and 3 very good vets.... We'd have to hire the Sparks to fill out the roster.... Actually they may be better than some of the guys we have on the bench now.....

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"If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill

“The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded."Dwight Eisenhower

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it"Thomas Sowell

therealdeal wrote:1. Trading Howard is silly. Whatever we get in return doesn't make us contenders AND would likely ruin the rebuild in 2014.

2. Howard is the best big man in the game, building around him is a good idea.

3. If Howard were to walk this summer, oh well. Our rebuild goes through and is EVEN MORE POTENT. We then move Nash's contract (if he hasn't retired by then), and we have literally NOTHING on the books. We are free to do ANYTHING we want.

I would agree for the most part because of point 3, but I don't agree that trading Dwight is stupid in a few cases. Like if you could get Kevin Love for him, I think that would be more awesome than stupid.

Well then you move forward with Love in 2014 instead of Dwight? In 2014 you have an opportunity to have maybe both of those guys.

And I"m not sure there's a better fit next to Howard than Kevin Love in this league.

You guys are calling Dwight a faker but you're just the same, only praise him when he plays well & when he has an off game you want to trade him. Give the best C in the NBA a damn break he enjoyed tonights win and team play and you should too instead of complaining.

The dude is going to be a Laker for a long time, I'm telling ya'll. He's just sick of losing just like the rest of us are.

He's just a little more immature than the rest of us are.

By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.

therealdeal wrote:By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.

This. He needs to play like this consistently if we're trusting him with the keys to our franchise.

therealdeal wrote:By the way, the EFFORT he put out tonight is the kind of effort we need EVERY night. If he played this way every night for the entire season, I wouldn't hesitate to start making him the 1b instead of the 2.

This. He needs to play like this consistently if we're trusting him with the keys to our franchise.

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