Atheist Reasoning on Gun Control in the U.S - Atheist Nexus2016-12-09T18:13:27Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/atheist-reasoning-on-gun-control-in-the-u-s?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2067550&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAnother apparent use for open…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-10-17:2182797:Comment:27135412016-10-17T00:10:26.045ZRussell Pangbornhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RussellPangborn
<p>Another apparent use for open carry weapons - to intimidate people who vote differently than you do.</p>
<p>"On Thursday, an ardent Trump supporter who was “<em><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-supporter-armed-protest-dem?utm_content=buffer92244&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer">legally armed</a></em>” took intimidation to the next level and positioned himself in front of a Democratic congressional candidate’s office in Virginia for…</p>
<p>Another apparent use for open carry weapons - to intimidate people who vote differently than you do.</p>
<p>"On Thursday, an ardent Trump supporter who was “<em><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-supporter-armed-protest-dem?utm_content=buffer92244&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer">legally armed</a></em>” took intimidation to the next level and positioned himself in front of a Democratic congressional candidate’s office in Virginia for twelve hours. The armed man just stared inside the office at the women volunteering and changing position only to make sure staff and volunteers saw the gun on his hip. It is noteworthy that the “<em>intimidator</em>” was not doing anything illegal by strapping on a gun and stalking a candidate’s campaign office for twelve hours straight; but legal can be damn terrifying when a Trump supporter with a gun and a pocket Constitution is protecting “<em>persecuted</em>” Trump voters by staking out a campaign office for hours.</p>
<p>Democrat Jane Dittmar’s Palmyra <a href="http://janeforcongress.com/about-jane-dittmar">congressional campaign</a> office volunteers said they were rightfully frightened at what the ‘intimidator,’ Daniel Parks said was his way of supporting Donald Trump and protesting against Hillary Clinton. And, he was helping other Trump supporters horrified at being persecuted. Parks said,"</p> Look at the hate that Trump s…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-10-15:2182797:Comment:27133362016-10-15T18:53:34.276ZMichael Pennhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DennisMichaelPennington
<p>Look at the hate that Trump stirs up. Apparently it's what he wants to do.</p>
<p>Look at the hate that Trump stirs up. Apparently it's what he wants to do.</p> Idiots like those men should…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-10-15:2182797:Comment:27132892016-10-15T18:51:36.984ZMichael Pennhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DennisMichaelPennington
<p>Idiots like those men should spend the rest of their lives in prison. This is nothing more than fanaticism and delusion. Media helps formulate it but the deceived end up pissed because they are not the only religion on the block anymore. They also want their religion taught in public schools because it is the only true religion.</p>
<p>It all makes me wonder how any of them got out of high school.</p>
<p>Idiots like those men should spend the rest of their lives in prison. This is nothing more than fanaticism and delusion. Media helps formulate it but the deceived end up pissed because they are not the only religion on the block anymore. They also want their religion taught in public schools because it is the only true religion.</p>
<p>It all makes me wonder how any of them got out of high school.</p> ‘It will be a bloodbath’: Ins…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-10-15:2182797:Comment:27132842016-10-15T18:22:42.710ZBertold Brautiganhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/BertoldBrautigan
<p>‘It will be a bloodbath’: Inside the Kansas militia plot to ignite a religious war</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/15/it-will-be-a-bloodbath-inside-the-kansas-militia-plot-to-ignite-a-religious-war/?utm_term=.790b63246dc2" target="_blank">WaPO</a></p>
<p>‘It will be a bloodbath’: Inside the Kansas militia plot to ignite a religious war</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/15/it-will-be-a-bloodbath-inside-the-kansas-militia-plot-to-ignite-a-religious-war/?utm_term=.790b63246dc2" target="_blank">WaPO</a></p> For all the people who nodded…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-10-15:2182797:Comment:27132752016-10-15T16:11:58.261ZRussell Pangbornhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RussellPangborn
<p>For all the people who nodded their heads when the argument was given that we need guns if an unjust rigged oppressive government is in power and needs to be overthrown. I bet they never saw the scenario where the crazy people made the decision to rise up. Here is a quote from a <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/15/1581936/-Trump-is-blaming-a-rigged-election-and-his-supporters-pivot-to-discussion-of-violent-rebellion?detail=facebook" target="_blank">whipped up Trump…</a></p>
<p>For all the people who nodded their heads when the argument was given that we need guns if an unjust rigged oppressive government is in power and needs to be overthrown. I bet they never saw the scenario where the crazy people made the decision to rise up. Here is a quote from a <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/15/1581936/-Trump-is-blaming-a-rigged-election-and-his-supporters-pivot-to-discussion-of-violent-rebellion?detail=facebook" target="_blank">whipped up Trump supporter.</a></p>
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<p>“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. <strong>She should be in prison or shot.</strong> That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”</p>
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<p></p> Thanks for the link! "BREAKIN…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-09-14:2182797:Comment:27092552016-09-14T03:56:36.693ZGrinning Cathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GrinningCat
<p>Thanks for the link! "BREAKING: Supreme Court Defiantly Cuts Legs Off Of NRA With This Historic Ruling"</p>
<p>"The Supreme Court ... ruled that people convicted of any domestic abuse crimes can no longer legally own firearms.</p>
<p>The efforts were taken in order to “close a dangerous loophole” that allowed people convicted of “minor” domestic abuse to purchase and own weapons legally. Now, the ban on felons owning firearms has been extended to include people convicted of misdemeanor…</p>
<p>Thanks for the link! "BREAKING: Supreme Court Defiantly Cuts Legs Off Of NRA With This Historic Ruling"</p>
<p>"The Supreme Court ... ruled that people convicted of any domestic abuse crimes can no longer legally own firearms.</p>
<p>The efforts were taken in order to “close a dangerous loophole” that allowed people convicted of “minor” domestic abuse to purchase and own weapons legally. Now, the ban on felons owning firearms has been extended to include people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence."</p>
<p>(See also <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisine_v._United_States" target="_blank">Voisine v. United States</a>.)</p> Historic Ruling on People con…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-09-14:2182797:Comment:27092452016-09-14T00:24:57.748ZRussell Pangbornhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RussellPangborn
<p><a href="http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/06/27/breaking-supreme-court-defiantly-cuts-legs-off-of-nra-with-this-historic-ruling-video/" target="_blank">Historic Ruling on People convicted of domestic abuse owning guns</a></p>
<p><a href="http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/06/27/breaking-supreme-court-defiantly-cuts-legs-off-of-nra-with-this-historic-ruling-video/" target="_blank">Historic Ruling on People convicted of domestic abuse owning guns</a></p> Nothing is impossible Donald.…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-09-04:2182797:Comment:27078712016-09-04T17:04:43.910ZRussell Pangbornhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RussellPangborn
<p>Nothing is impossible Donald. The Australian government bought back over one million firearms when they changed their approach in that country.</p>
<p>In order to accomplish anything the strongest argument for success is the will and attitude of the people. </p>
<p>I think James was listening. He is suggesting a court led interpretation of the second amendment to make it less radical. That sounds moderate to me.</p>
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<p>Nothing is impossible Donald. The Australian government bought back over one million firearms when they changed their approach in that country.</p>
<p>In order to accomplish anything the strongest argument for success is the will and attitude of the people. </p>
<p>I think James was listening. He is suggesting a court led interpretation of the second amendment to make it less radical. That sounds moderate to me.</p>
<p></p> James, you aren't listening. …tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-09-04:2182797:Comment:27080312016-09-04T16:03:19.018ZDonald L. Engelhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DonaldLEngel
<p>James, you aren't listening. How can you regulate weapons that you have no idea where they are, or who has them? It's already a done fact. How can you undo something that you never had control over to start with? Registering weapons is a fairly recent idea. There were millions of weapons bought and sold before registration was required. How do you know who has the weapons, and if they are responsible, or not?</p>
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<p>James, you aren't listening. How can you regulate weapons that you have no idea where they are, or who has them? It's already a done fact. How can you undo something that you never had control over to start with? Registering weapons is a fairly recent idea. There were millions of weapons bought and sold before registration was required. How do you know who has the weapons, and if they are responsible, or not?</p>
<p></p> A significant number of 2nd a…tag:atheistnexus.org,2016-09-04:2182797:Comment:27079542016-09-04T14:16:28.261ZJameshttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/James644
<p>A significant number of 2nd amendment supporters believe that this is a Christian nation, believe the earth is 10,000 years old, hold many superstitious beliefs, are anti-science, and anti-intellectual. They have essentially rejected Enlightenment ideals. Who is going to protect the minority from them?</p>
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<p>You can have a government that regulates weapons, allows responsible citizens to have them, but not have an innate right to carry a gun. Its not like we either have a 2nd…</p>
<p>A significant number of 2nd amendment supporters believe that this is a Christian nation, believe the earth is 10,000 years old, hold many superstitious beliefs, are anti-science, and anti-intellectual. They have essentially rejected Enlightenment ideals. Who is going to protect the minority from them?</p>
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<p>You can have a government that regulates weapons, allows responsible citizens to have them, but not have an innate right to carry a gun. Its not like we either have a 2nd amendment or its communism. Many modern nations lack gun rights and they are doing just fine. </p>
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<p>We don't have to rid the amendment, just make its interpretation by the SCOTUS less radical.</p>