Honestly "build" doesn't make much difference at all in 5.0. You have everything you need to tank before you even add in glyphs and talents. Your hit/expertise levels might make a difference but threat shouldn't be a big issue with the 5x threat modifier. AoE might be a different matter depending on who you're up against.

If you're doing the exact rotation you listed then you have an empty GCD between the 2nd CS and 2nd Judgement. The basic structure of the rotation is:CS-J-X-CS-X-J-CS-X-X then repeat.X is replaced by AS>Cons>HW (or SS refresh).

Hi! This thread hasn't been used in a bit so I'm here to disturb that. I'm looking to optimize my gear setup when it comes to reforging, I'm still missing a few pieces here and there to actually complete my tanking set. I'm not sure if I should keep reforging for hit *edit: I'm now hitcapped for the moment* or if I should start reforging for more mastery or expertise, here's my armory, btw, http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/t ... die/simple

Personally I'm going for hit and exp soft caps as I just like the extra control so much.I've been very lucky with gear, as much as I dislike the idea of the BMAH I'll take any advantage I can get. I've gone for mastery heavy gemming, but I'm starting to think gemming for stam might be better for hm's (hopefully next week).Here's my armoury I'm a little high on hit and exp atm http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... n/advanced

Daishan"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett

Treck wrote:Its actually really really nice.I used it on Beta cause of the gear scaling anyway, not quite as sure currently, but the pieces are better than most 5man hc gear.

Not only some pieces give us better stats, but I have just noticed on the armory that the pants I bought appears to be 464 instead of 458 now. Since I don't have access to the game at the moment, could anyone have a look? Because if that's the case I'm so buying more pvp gear.

Commander Lo Ping at Niuzao Temple is the official Justice Quartermaster, he sells every JP piece from all available reps.

And by the way, checking both honour and justice gear on wowhead and the armory it appears that on wowhead is all reported as 458 while armory shows honour as 464 and justice as 450, so it seems that I got excited for nothing and is simply the armory not updated.

The Darkmoon trinket is good, but expensive.Atleast it got a decent ammount of dodge compared to the sucker trinkets giving like 3-4k dodge on use/procc.Thisone gives about 9% avoidance, thats pretty decent for a trinket imo.I prolly wont replace it ever, and use it together with the trash trinket from heroics with mastery on use.

The Shado-pan trinket looks pretty rad, and would be my first choice (if I had the rep!!!)The chest looks kickass with Hit/Expertise, but the set piece is not bad, so you'll probably replace it early.The ring would be a nice idea (since you need two of them), but the itemisation is *ungh*The rest is so-so, with either Haste/Mastery of some combinaison of Parry/Dodge with another, better stat.

Sagara wrote:The Shado-pan trinket looks pretty rad, and would be my first choice (if I had the rep!!!)The chest looks kickass with Hit/Expertise, but the set piece is not bad, so you'll probably replace it early.The ring would be a nice idea (since you need two of them), but the itemisation is *ungh*The rest is so-so, with either Haste/Mastery of some combinaison of Parry/Dodge with another, better stat.

I was looking at the equip ranking while toying with stats weights for the mrRobot topic.Going by the numbers theck suggests

Shado-pan trinket ranks second in the non-heroic gear rankingGolden lotus shoulders rank fourthEverything else is way behind for the relative slot,so from that point of view those should be the 2 best pieces to buy,more so considering that it seems everything valor-related /the trinket will get swapped out with raid drops when the 2 new instances open

P.s: actually,the chest ranks third BUT the mega-lizard world boss drops both the first and the forth in the ranking,while the crafted one is second,so out of all of them chest is the slot with most options already avaiable

All the character profile site keep going down,so i could as well not place anything here

In my guild, we're working with Mogu'shan Vaults. The encounter with Gara'Jal the Spirit Binder has brought some issues in yesterday's raid, mainly because my raid leader was pretty mad at me for reforging to Hit and Expertise and out of Avoidance stats, telling me that that's no proper tank, among other things. When it was my turn to tank Gara'Jal, sometimes the damage would spike up, and the healers were struggling healing me and my Voodoo companions.

I tried to explain to him that Mists of Pandaria's Protection Paladin model favors "DPS" stats over avoidance, as described both in Sacred Duty (here) and Icy Veins (here) as well as in Elitist Jerks.

You are doing it right. The problem is that blizz went from us not caring about hit/exp to being completely dependent on it. Discounting divine purpose, we are very binary in our hp generation. Its just a big paradigm shift for everyone to see that any piece of plate gear is for our main spec unless it had intellect or crit.