But Tien have better DC, he is stonger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta that puts him like Planet Buster, Naruto is at least Small Planet level +

I think Naruto wins, there is no feat to suggest that Tien could win Naruto, most of the people think he would win thanks to his DC, but I don't think would be useful. The only way to Tien wins is using his Solar Flare and a full power Kikoho which is strong enough to destroy a planet(I think) But I give that for Naruto, 7/10

@alextheboss: the fact tien could even graze semi perfect cell is enough. We already seen that if you’re too weak your attack won’t do anything to your opponent. You have to be somewhere near in power to do damage. Cell was average in strength in his first form then he absorbed 18 who embarrassed SSJ vegeta btw. You think first form Frieza could subdue cell the way tien did? Also Higher KI mean higher all around stats, if you raise your KI that’s mean higher DC, Durability, Strength, Speed, etc.

If we’re going strictly by feats end of DB piccolo has a better DC feat then Tien does.

@alextheboss: the fact tien could even graze semi perfect cell is enough. We already seen that if you’re too weak your attack won’t do anything to your opponent. You have to be somewhere near in power to do damage. Cell was average in strength in his first form then he absorbed 18 who embarrassed SSJ vegeta btw. You think first form Frieza could subdue cell the way tien did? Also Higher KI mean higher all around stats, if you raise your KI that’s mean higher DC, Durability, Strength, Speed, etc.

If we’re going strictly by feats end of DB piccolo has a better DC feat then Tien does.

Tri Beam doesn't even use Ki, dude.

And the second bolded part has already been proven wrong within the series itself.

The only reason Tien could graze Cell was because of the Tri-Beam. So him grazing Cell has absolutely nothing to do with his power level or the amount of Ki he has. That attack is a completely different function to almost everything in Z.

@iusemycajonas: tien training is the reason he could hurt cell. He became an all around stronger fighter compared to namek saga characters. Never said Related KI to his tri beams tho

No. Tien training his Tri-Beam, not his body, which couldn't have advanced much further than when he got destroyed by the androids, is what allowed him to hurt Cell. Nothing else in Tien's arsenal could've done any damage to Cell unless it was also using life energy, and you can't surround yourself in life energy to fight the same way you can with Ki.

@iusemycajonas: Ki is life energy, Kikoho uses ki just like every attack but uses so much of it that it hurts the user. Similar to mafuba, kaioken or final explosion. There is no difference between ki and life energy.

@iusemycajonas: Ki is life energy, Kikoho uses ki just like every attack but uses so much of it that it hurts the user. Similar to mafuba, kaioken or final explosion. There is no difference between ki and life energy.

You're right and it's weird that they specifically say Tri Beam drains life force and never say it drains Ki, lol. Even in the games it takes away from hp and not ki. Weird.

@iusemycajonas: The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught.

Thats what Roshi said about kikoho, there is no such thing as life energy because ki is just that, a life energy. Seperating life force and ki was made up by dub.

@iusemycajonas: The "Chi Cannon"... a move of enormous destructive force... many times more powerful than even a Kamehameha... its power is so colossal, in fact, that the drain on one's own energy is devastating... warriors have been known to die by using it... and even if one survives, one's life is shortened... that evil Tsuru-sen'nin... teaching him a move that should be never taught.

Thats what Roshi said about kikoho, there is no such thing as life energy because ki is just that, a life energy. Seperating life force and ki was made up by dub.

even weirder he didn't just incinerate the androids with that move lmao