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Good-o. I shall line up my questions now (and apologies if they sound stupid):

Does it have to be a header, not a footer?

Does the header come within the 1" margin, or must there be a clear inch under it?

When starting a new scene/chapter I start the first line at the margin, ie I don't indent. Is this acceptable?

The indent, I've read that it should be 5 characters wide, but I prefer 1cm as it gives a better feel to the page. Is this acceptable?

PS Your second post crossed with mine, which answers one of the above. This will sound even stupider than the others but the word count always goes immediately under the name etc details? (I thought I'd read they were in opposite corners, which is why I ask.)

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Sorry, Judge, I binned that post so I could center the titles (can't do that in edit mode), and started again. Yes, the word count goes on the right. When I said it was on the left that was because I wasn't paying attention to what I was typing.

Yes, the header can go in the top margin. And no, you can't use a footer instead.

Indent should be five characters. (It doesn't matter what you think gives a better feel to the manuscript. If everyone started making that kind of decision they would be choosing their own margins, fonts, etc. and there would be no standard format.)

I have heard British editors ask that you start the first paragraph of a chapter at the margin without the indent (as it usually appears in the published book), but I have not yet heard this from an editor in the US. I'm still using the indent, but you are in England so I think the way you are doing it is proper.

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If you are dividing a novel into books (I am not talking about dividing a long story into a multi-volume series, but divisions with a single volume -- The Lord of the Rings is divided into three volumes of two books each, making for six books in all), begin about one third of the way down the page, centered, thus:

Book One

Short epigraph if you have one.*​

The rest of the page is blank.

*If the epigraph is long enough to spill over onto another page, then do not put it here. Give it a page of its own.

I have heard British editors ask that you start the first paragraph of a chapter at the margin without the indent (as it usually appears in the published book), but I have not yet heard this from an editor in the US. I'm still using the indent, but you are in England so I think the way you are doing it is proper.

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That's how I do it, but for no good reason other than I've seen it in published works and it marks new chapters/sections that much better.

So Teresa, forgive my ignorance, but if you're submitting a novel, you wouldn't have a separate title page - you'd just launch into the first chapter/prologue half to two-thirds of the way down the very first page?

So Teresa, forgive my ignorance, but if you're submitting a novel, you wouldn't have a separate title page - you'd just launch into the first chapter/prologue half to two-thirds of the way down the very first page?

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I've seen it done both ways. For that matter, I've done it both ways. But once you get into using a separate title page, your word processor could start playing fun and games with the formatting and printing. So it's OK to do it that way, but do it at your own risk.

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At the moment I pretty much do it as I want to - submission is so far in the future it's not really worth worrying about, but it is useful to know these things. If I ever do finish something, it's going to be a fun day I spend stripping and re-applying formatting!

I'm looking at one of my manuscripts now. I've got a title page with series title over book title over my name, halfway down the page. Then a new page with a quote, halfway down. Then a new page for my prologue, starting from the very top. When that's done, a new page for 'Part One' over the date. Than another new page for chapter one, which isn't your traditional chapter anyway (rather a geographically-themed collection of short chapters or scenes), again starting at the very top. Yep, looking at it and imagining the disapproving shake of your head, Teresa!

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You can put your series title over your book title on the first page, that's acceptable.

I'm only shaking my head because of all the time you are going to have to spend reformatting. I also format as I please while the book is being written, but I don't go too crazy because I know everything will have to be changed later.

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That's okay, I plan to find an agent or publisher who is so wowed by my raw talent that they'll forgive my formatting faux pas' (apologies to the French for stealing that phrase and then not knowing how to make it plural). I think that's a pretty realistic assumption.

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Teresa said:

You can put your series title over your book title on the first page, that's acceptable.

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Possibly not acceptable if you're not sure you have enough material for even one book!

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Presumably by the time you send your manuscript in you will know if you have material enough for more than one book! However, titles change. Book titles change. Series titles change. You can use a working title if you're stumped for something good. They won't turn down your book for a title they don't like, because if they buy the book they'll just make you give it a new name that they do like.

By the way, I hope this doesn't become the "Teresa Lays Down the Law" thread, and that some of our other professionals will lend their own advice.

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I think I'm going to be like you, Culhwch. Keep the formatting that is easy on my eyes (ugh, headers; double-ugh those tiny 5 character indents!!) while I'm working, and have a separately formatted file everything gets moved to when it's submitted.

Meantime another question for our experts: synopses - double or single spaced? I've read it's single if it comes to a page or less, double if over. Since (presuambly) the rationale of needing to make notes between the lines has gone, this sounds sensible. But is it right?

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So I have my COver letter.

I go like this.

Name
Book name and series name.
Address
Mobile num
Home num
Email.

New page
Dedications.
New page
Acknowledgements.
New page
Epigraph
New page
Prologue
New page.
Book one road of bones and epigraph.
New page
Chapter one.

I'm formatting it normally, with the page format you get on the officeword documents, the one with the border around it, which I think is the correct all the way round right?
My question is. Outside the border on the right hand side is where I should put my name on each page?

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Brian --

Ah, the great copyright notice debate -- it still rages on, does it?

Some agents and editors are indeed put off by the copyright notice. Some don't care. But how are you to know which category the agent or editor you mean to approach falls into? Best to leave it off.*

*I continued to use it for a long time, as did (and perhaps still do) other writers of my acquaintance, being of venerable years and determined to go on doing things the way we were taught to do them back in the Jurassic. For new writers, though, it's best to go with the times.

The Judge --

I was always taught that the one-page synopsis is single-spaced. But it's been a while since I had to send one out. Perhaps you should check for more up-to-date information.

anthorn --

If you will check your format, as you have just described it, against the format I have outlined above, you will see that it is not the same. I have no idea what the officeword documents say about formatting, or whether their suggestions apply to novel manuscripts sent out to print publishers, or whether they are meant for business documents only. If they differ from what I have described above, then you should not rely on them.

And to answer your specific question: After the title page, your name on each page goes in the header. (See what I said above.) How you align the header -- left, right, or center -- doesn't really matter.

As for acknowledgments, dedications, and other such front matter, leave them out of your manuscript when you send it out. To the agent or editor they are just so much clutter that they don't want to read or leaf through. If you sell the book, you can include them when you send back the edited ms.