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* Robert Spencer:

If you speak honestly and accurately about the Islamic jihad doctrine and the Islamic supremacist agenda, and even confine your case entirely to quotes from authoritative Islamic sources and spokesmen, you will still be accused of “hating Muslims.” This is the constant refrain of apologists for jihad and their useful idiots in the West — and they constantly have recourse to it because they know that it is effective: it turns the Left and much of the squishy Right away from the message of the “hater,” regardless of how outlandish and unjust the charge is.

Myself, I don’t hate Muslims. I love Muslims. Telling the truth is not an act of hate. I am not “Islamophobic,” I am Islamorealistic. I tell the truth about Islam and work to defend Western civilization and society from the encroachments of a legal and societal system that oppresses Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Unlike refugees from Nazism, or Communism, who hated Nazis and hated Communists, and wanted only to escape from them and, in many cases, to actively work against them, the so-called “refugees” or simply immigrants from Muslim lands bring with them, in their mental baggage, Islam itself. They do not realize that it is Islam, with its inshallah-fatalism and natural support for depotism as opposed to advanced Western democracy (for the belief-system locates legitimacy not in the expressed will of the people, but in the will expressed by Allah in the Qur’an, as glossed by Hadith and Sira). They carry the belief-system with them, and what is more, attempt – not without success — to spread it about, to make sure that the numbers of adherents of Islam grow and grow and grow. It is this Da’wa, and demographic conquest that is the result of fantastic, utterly unchecked Muslim migration, and the great disparity in birth-rates between Muslims (who often smuggle in plural wives, supported by Infidel taxpayers in their generous welfare payments), and the indigenous non-Muslims, that has, for example, caused the 15,000 Muslims in Holland in 1970 to become 1 million, or 5-7 million Muslims now to burden the educational and justice systems, and the welfare benefits, and the laic state, and social peace, in France, and England, and Germany, and everywhere that Muslims in large numbers have been permitted to settle — which has led, no clear-sighted Infidel can deny, to a situation far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous — and becoming more unpleasant, more expensive, more physically dangerous every day — for the indigenous Infidels.
This must stop. This suicidal policy cannot continue.
Guessing the religion of those who plant bombs, hi-jack planes, fire into crowds of civilians, take hostages and murder hostages is the world’s ultimate no-brainer. And yet our leaders, the media and many of us pretend there’s no connection between psychopathic killers and the religion which exalts the slaughter of unbelievers. Islam remains what it was at its beginning, a violent, expansionist faith that will tolerate no competitors. What other religion has the concept of jihad, the notion that if you die fighting for allah you get 72 virgins in paradise? Mohammed started by eliminating the competition, annihilating Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula. More than a 1000 yrs later, it’s still business as usual for his successors. Is islam a religion of peace? Is there an Easter bunny? Can pigs fly? Calling for a war on terror is like trying to stop the bullets instead of stopping the people who are doing the shooting, decades of terror and they still dont get it. Any religious creed that promotes terrorism as a method for the conversion of infidels deserves only contempt and needs to be mocked, crushed, and expelled from the lands it has silently infiltrated. The war is, and needs to be identified without question, against islam and their numbers and attitude warrant exceptional attention…

Hugh Fitzgerald

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So-called dialogue with the Islamic world and relativism regarding marriage, the dignity of women, and sexual equality in the name of multiculturalism is destroying European identity and doing away with womens rights.

Thursday, March 08, 2007
By Samir Khalil Samir

The ideology of multiculturalism, i.e. blind tolerance toward any culture and tradition, is destroying European identity and is above all doing away with human rights and, more specifically, women’s rights. A prime example is the increasing tolerance in European countries toward polygamy.

In theory, polygamy is prohibited in Italy and in Europe. But it increasingly happens, in the name of multiculturalism, that Muslim immigrants are registered as polygamists in the European continent: if a man is Muslim and married in his country of origin with 4 wives, we cannot but accept this as a given. All this goes against European laws and constitutions – which affirm monogamous families – but, in the name of a misplaced respect for cultures, any solution is deemed acceptable.

Tolerance for polygamy?

In Italy, some constitutionalists are suggesting, for the sake of letting people have it both ways, that only one wife be recognized as such, while the others are considered concubines: this would settle the situation of various Muslims who already have a wife in their country of origin and take another in Italy. Others think that a distinction could be made between civil marriage (at City Hall, with just one wife) and religious marriage in a mosque, where polygamous marriages could be celebrated. Naturally, to do this, they are proposing that the articles of Italian civil law, which affirm monogamy and the equality of men and women, not be read. A similar trend is spreading in Greece. In certain areas where Muslims are the majority, the government has accepted the principle that they manage themselves with their own norms. And so, in Athens, polygamy is prohibited, but in Muslim-majority areas, it is allowed, again in the name of cultural respect.

Multiculturalism is doing a lot of damage. Firstly to common sense: if a man is married in Senegal with a woman and in Italy with another, this cannot be defined as monogamy. A crime remains such whether it is committed in Italy or abroad. Such tricks are actually a way to suggest loopholes for polygamy. Thus, if an Italian wants to have more than just one wife, all he needs to do is to convert to Islam!

But multiculturalism is above all damaging to the dignity of women. Polygamy in Italy is prohibited in that it is contrary to the principle of equality between men and women. It would be useful to Islam too to affirm this principle. In Islamic society, in fact, women cannot be polygamous (only men have that “right”). The same is true for repudiation, which is permitted to a man, but not to a woman who, however, can ask her husband the favour of repudiating her. Affirming monogamy is thus the way forward on the path for an overall effort in favour of women’s rights.

He had been ordered on February 26, 2004, to leave the country by Interior Minister Sarkozy, for his inflammatory speeches and for incitement to hatred, but the ordinance was not enforced. On April 20, following an interview in the “Lyon Mag” newspaper, he was again served an expulsion order for his statements against women, in particular for having said that “the Koran authorizes a Muslim, in certain cases, to beat his wife,” that women must subjugated themselves to their husband and were not equal to men.

On April 23rd, the administrative tribunal of Lyon suspended the expulsion ordinance and rejected the Interior Ministry’s request. The imam went back to France in May 22. On October 5, 2004, the State Council cancelled the expulsion suspension, and the next day the iman was again expelled to Orano in Algeria. On June 21, 2005, the Lyon court declared him once again free, but on October 14, he was convicted in absentia. The imam filed an appeal, but on February 6, 2007, the courts definitively rejected his case.

here are a few extracts of the (famous) interview with Sheikh Abdelkader on the male-female relationship.

In your opinion, are women equal to men?

No. For example, women do not have the right to work alongside men, as they [women] could be tempted by adultery.

Must women necessarily be subjugated to men?

Yes, because the head of the family is always a man. But he must be fair to his wife: he must not beat her for no reason, nor consider her a slave.

Is this why you are favourable to polygamy?

Yes, a Muslim can have more than one wife. But not more than four! Plus, there are conditions.

But why can women not have more than one husband?

Because no one would know who fathered the children!

Are you in favour of the stoning [1] of women?

Yes, because beating one’s wife is allowed by the Koran, but under certain conditions, in particular if she betrays her husband. Please note however: the man does not have the right to beat her everywhere: not on the face, but in the lower parts, her legs, her stomach, her bottom. He can beat her vigorously so as to induce fear, so that she does not start again!

The Koran: wife beating is allowed

Various readers were up in arms, but in the end the imam defended himself saying that this is the Koran. And he’s right. If we open the Koran at Sura 4, verse 34, we can read:

“Men have authority over women due to the preference that Allah concedes to them over the other and because they spend their property [for women]; Good women are therefore obedient, guarding under secrecy that which Allah has preserved [sex]. [2] ; As for those on whose part you fear insubordination, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do nothing further against them; Allah is high and great.”

Last week on Al Jazeera, I heard another imam explain the four conditions for beating a wife: not on her face; without drawing blood; without breaking bones; not in the presence of children. If all this is insufficient, one must resort to extreme punishment, i.e. the man deprives his wife of sexual relations.

The Koran is also explicit on the question of the superiority of men to women; according to the Koran, Charter 2 (The Cow), Verse 228:

“Divorced women should keep themselves in waiting for three periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have priority to take them back during this time if they wish for reconciliation; and they [women] have rights equivalent to their duties, on the basis of good custom, but the men are superior. Allah is Mighty, Wise.”

The Italian edition published by the Union of Islamic Communities and Organizations in Italy (UCOII) includes a long footnote (absent on the on-line version) on the phrase “but men are superior”:

“In a pitiful effort to standardize Islam to Western culture, certain modernist commentators have written that superiority has only to do with the right of men to repudiate their wife, a faculty which is not reciprocal. In reality, it is a much more important and fundamental matter for the maintaining of balance at the individual, family and social levels.

“Man and Woman are two complementary realities that exist unto each other. If this were not so, Allah (glory be to Him the Most High) would not have formed Eve from Adam’s rib, he would have furnished each gender with complete reproductive organs, etc., etc.

“The physical structure of men is capable of great exertion and significant exploits, that of women, of steady labour and great endurance of pain.

“Male sensitivity is entirely exterior, projected outside the realm of family and tends to become public and political. That of women is interior, careful of oneself, aimed at the protection of that which has been acquired and to the acquisition of simple means of sustenance and security.

“Male psychology is imaginative, creative, experimental, risk-loving, desirous of novelty, of affirming the Self, usually ample and superficial. That of women is concrete, traditional, risk-hating, desirous of certainty, of conserving what is “mine”, usually profound and limited.

“In the realm of family, the respect of the Laws of Allah and of the Sunna of the Messenger can create situations that require an affirmation of power that mortifies the complementarity of spouses. But apart from complementarity, there is the problem of leadership, in the family and in society, which does not mean predomination, oppression or the lack of recognition of female predominance in a number of sectors and circumstances. Allah (Glory be to Him, the Most High) assigns this management role to the male. It is an onerous and difficult task that men would often willingly do without, and for which he must respond before Allah.”

This apologetic comment, written by an Italian converted to Islam, mirrors the opinion of traditionalistic ulemas, avoiding their excesses. It assigns specific tasks to men and to women, tasks which are unchangeable because determined by God, which claim to correspond to the nature of one and the other. It is obvious that such a distribution of roles, established by God for eternity and valid for all times and cultures, is hardly compatible with Western mentality and is often incompatible with the laws and constitutions of Europe.

Conclusion

Is it possible to accept this teaching in the name of the respect for cultures and religious tolerance? This is the serious question faced by all Western countries.

I don’t know if the flag-wavers of multiculturalism realize how much human damage they cause. Actually, it is increasingly clear that so-called multicultural tolerance is only acquiescence to a subtle form of racism. In the name of cultural difference, in fact, everything is left to proceed on parallel tracks, without envisaging any progress, integration or betterment in the name of human dignity.

It is time for Europe to understand that religious law cannot prevail over civil law and that, above every form of tolerance, there is a country’s constitution. If this does not happen, Islam will be given carte blanche to colonize our customs.

NOTE :

1) The imam, who had lived in France for 24 years, did not understand the word “stoning”, which he understood to mean “beating”. Hence, his reply.

2) In UCOII’s translation, generally attributed to Hamza Piccardo (Imperia, 1994), the following note can be read “This is the ideal of the believing woman: ‘patient and modest.’ Says the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “The best of women is she who rejoices at your gaze, obeys you, guards her person and the property of the husband in his absence.”

Was Muhammad a Sex Maniac?

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) – Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.

Bukhari (62:18) – Aisha’s father, Abu Bakr, wasn’t on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) – The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad’s house (something to play with when the “prophet” was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) – Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) – “Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?” Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an “older woman” instead.

Bukhari (4:232) – Muhammad’s wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it’s a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) – Muhammad’s wives had to be available for the prophet’s fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (62:6) – “The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.” Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally – and it isn’t hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) – “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, ‘Had the Prophet the strength for it?’ Anas replied, ‘We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.’ ”

So let me summarize:

Even if we accept a 54 year old man marrying a child, raping captured (non-believing) woman what does that make him?

Even we accept the unacceptable, what do you call a guy who rapes captured women and sells them into slavery?

Even if we accapt all that, what do you call a guy who has sex with 14 women in one night?

Some of many jihad verses:

Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s Cause) is ordained for you , though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads:] “Warfare is ordained for you.”

*Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

*Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

*Bukhari:V4B52N44 “A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.’ He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.'”

*Bukhari:V1B2N25 “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah’s Cause.'”

Arguing, debating with Muslims:

They will say:

1. He’s taking verses out of context
2. He’s an Islamophobe/racist/bigot
3. He doesn’t know Arabic, and you can’t understand the Qur’an unless it’s in Arabic
4. He’s not an expert on Islam/he has no credentials
5. The Qur’an, the mind of Muhammad, and Islam in general are too complex and mysterious for infidels to understand
6. What about the Crusades (and other violent Christian actions of the past)?
7. What about the violent verses in the Bible?
8. Those Muslims are not “real” Muslims
9. Only Muslims can address the tough topics
10. He’s lying
11. If you prove him wrong from Qur’an and Hadith, you just get ridiculed
12. He has been refuted hundreds of times, and thoroughly discredited

Muslims are hopeless. They can’t debate because Islam doesn’t make sense. They are victims of a senseless indoctrination program that devours them and their perceived enemies. More

Is Islam a Religion of Peace? Not!

The day after 9/11, President George W. Bush made the absurd statement that Islam is a religion of peace.Â Ponder the findings of a monumental study of the Islamic Trilogy, the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sira published in 2007.Â The study was made by Bill Warner, director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam:

Of more than 153,000 words in the Koran, only 4,018 or 2.6 percent seem to express goodness to humanity, qualified, however, by obedience to Muhammad.

The words of Allah are only about 17 percent of the Islamic Trilogy, but the words and actions of Muhammad comprise 83 percent of the Trilogy.

About 20 percent of the most authoritative school of the Hadith is about jihad.

At least 75 percent of the Sira is about jihad.

There are 146 references to hell in the Quran, only 6 percent of which concern moral failings such as murder and theft.Â The other 94 percent of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Muhammad, a political crime.

Warner concludes:Â there is no benevolence toward good nonbelievers in Islam. Moreover, and, contrary to what Obama said in Cairo, there is no golden rule in Islam that restricts what Muslims may do to non-Muslims. This places a big question on Islamic monotheism

Open Season on British Women(The Opinionator)Now that Europe has imported a 7th century values system and given it top priority, the continent’s women will need to remember to cover up.

Debating Islam(Answering Muslims)A four-part video series of a debate between David Wood and Sami Zaatari. The subject is “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?” (As usual, Sami’s job is to pretend that Islam has nothing to do with what is done in the name of Islam each and everyday).

Poll: Muslim Support for Terrorism Declines(Pew Research)Muslims are less likely to support terrorism when THEY are the targets of such attacks. Thanks to recent al-Qaeda sprees in Islamic countries, bin Laden is barely pulling 50% approval ratings. Religion of Peace, indeed!

Female Genital Mutilation in Eritrea(BBC)Muslims in some parts of the world are beginning to realize that Allah wouldn’t have made the clitoris in the first place if he meant for it to be cut off. Women elsewhere. . . not so lucky.

Jordan’s Outreach to Hamas(JCPA)The bonds of Islam are simply too strong to let a little thing like terrorism spoil relationships.

Gave Peace a Chance(Jerusalem Post)A Peace Now activist in Israel reluctantly admits that his country has no peace partner in the Middle East.

No Longer One Law for All(Spectator)“Sharia law is not compatible with English law or the principles of equality and human rights that it embodies.”

Fear and Fiction(FrontPage Magazine)The story behind the story that was deemed too hot to handle.

Losing My Religion – Continued(Islam Watch)The second piece to the story of a Muslim who decided that believing for the sake of believing wasn’t making much sense anymore.

Islam and the Barbary Pirates(Islam in Action)How did the Tripoli ambassador justifiy the plundering of ships and the enslaving of innocent people to Thomas Jefferson? Let’s just say the man knew his Qur’an.

Fleeing Malaysia(Islamist Monitor)Only a few short years ago, the young country of Malaysia was held up as proof that a Muslim majority didn’t necessarily mean discrimination against other religions. Wonder what it means now?

Imagine Dodger Stadium full of loud and whooping fans cheering on, not baseball, but your weekly stoning and flogging of adulterers, thieves and other errant citizens of southernÂ California.

This isÂ AmericaÂ under Islamic law, or Shari’a, a system that everyone should fear. Or so, Alan Kornman, director of the United American Committee (UAC) thinks. He continues to fundraise for a freeway billboard inÂ FloridaÂ stating, “Shari’a Is Hate,” to educateÂ AmericaÂ before it’s too late.

As Kornman argues, “underÂ Shari’a law if you are accused of stealing, a hand and foot from opposite sides are amputated. If you are caught having an affair, the woman is stoned to death and the man is given 80 lashes. If you change religions, you can be charged under apostasy laws and given the death sentence by a legal Sharia court.”

The implementation of Shari’a is much more subtle than the quotation from Kornman suggests, however.

Through Shari’a, Islamists govern the private lives of individuals as well as regulate the social, political, and economic aspects of society. Islamism crosses national borders, with the final goal of asserting the Muslim ummah globally, with all non-Muslims as second class citizens. It is a totalitarian ideology, and Islamists do want to makeÂ EuropeÂ and the US Islamist states.

Don’t wait for floggings in your local neighborhood. Consider the following incidences:

1. MuslimÂ cab drivers in Minneapolis refusing fares where would-be passengers are carrying alcohol because it is a sin to drink in Islam:

This first example exemplifies the lack of tolerance Islamists have for non-Muslims. It is one thing to believe drinking is a sin; it’s quite another to enforce your opinion on others. Muslims aren’t alone in this belief. Consider Mormons, who don’t drink coffee because of the caffeine. The problem is the belief that you have the right to impose your opinion on people of a different faith, or no faith at all.

The Metropolitan Airport Commission (MAC), possibly fearing charges of discrimination, tried to compromise and approached Kahlid Elmasry of the Muslim American Society, who sided with the cabbies: “it isÂ expressly stated transportation of alcohol for Muslims is against the Islamic faith, and therefore forbidden.”

But this is not an Islamic country. The Constitution governs us, not Shari’a. Therefore, Elmasry’s defense of the cabbies’ position reinforced their notion that Islamic law trumps American secular law.Â In a later lawsuit, the cabbies lost and intend toÂ appeal.

2. Niqabi fails to reveal face for ID purposes.

The second example concerns Muslim women and modesty. While there is no specific definition of what modesty entails in the Quran, Islamists increasingly demand the niqab, which covers a woman’s body, hair, and her face. Islamists refuse to concede that the niqab is not a requirement of Islam, but greatly debated among Muslims. Yet, when Americans raise security concerns, Islamists call them racist.

Consider, Sultana Freeman, aÂ niqabi inÂ Florida. She refused to remove her veil for picture identification purposes at the DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) citing modesty. In reality, she mocks any reasonable person’s definition of modesty since ID pictures have nothing to do with attraction and sexuality, completely ignoringÂ Florida’s right to identify its citizenry for the sake of public safety.Â Such blind adherence to Shari’a rather than the laws of the state exemplifies the disdain Islamists have for non-Muslims wherever they may live as well as common sense.

3. Polygamy inÂ America

United States are obligated to perform their duties within the limits of American secular law. Yet, some Imams, like Siraj Wahhaj, prefer to ignore American law where it conflicts with Islamic law. Wahhaj stated in Paul Barrett’s 2007 bookÂ American Islam*that, “If a man can have a hundredÂ girlfriends, and it’s legal, I don’t say you can’t have more than one wife.”

Rather than explain what is wrong with men having multiple relationships, Wahhaj greenlights it under the guise of polygamy despite American law against it. This is because he only sees relationships from a usurious male perspective when he should be teaching men to see women as equals and partners. Moreover, he ignores a woman’s perspective entirely. Subsequent wives have no legal rights. Family problems, domestic abuse, combined with economic dependency, forces women to remain silent when issues arise.

Wahhaj also ignores the criminal fraud behind polygamy as well. TheÂ UK,Â Canada, like theUS,Â face welfare fraud every time polygamous marriages are made. Subsequent wives live in a marital household, yet can file forÂ welfare as single women because they failure to register the marriage. The failure to register is not an accident. Polygamous couples know that if they file they will be arrested for violating local bigamy laws. Second, these couples realize the financial advantages given current welfare policy. Such fraud is occurring in the thousands and is a burden to all taxpayers.

It is time for policymakers to realize that Sharia is a system of hate and must not gain any influence in American society. It denigrates women, non-Muslims and the US Constitution. Policymakers must define the limits of religious accommodation in light of the Islamist agenda. Otherwise, democracy and true tolerance will be mere words with no meaning as Islamism spreads in the West.Â The UAC billboard is a good start in bringing the danger of Sharia to the nation’s attention.

Greetings from sheik yer’mami!

638 thoughts on “Who is Sheik yer’mami?”

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It is insisted- by scholars of Islam- that The Holy Book’s translations are not valid. Only the original should be read, and followed.
Since many Moslems all over the world, and even current day Arab Moslems, do not understand the Arabic language of the times which has been used in The Quran Sharif; it leaves a gap in theory and practice of this seemingly simple and correct approach.
Moslems begin to depend upon the scholars to interpret the book. Scholars all over the Islamic World have differences- so various interpretations of the same provisions exist.
This problem should be solved, and one unified interpretation should be brought out.
If it is difficult to achieve- then at least universally accepted translation should be brought out in each of the languages-which is used by current Moslems.
Reading the original is not sufficient. Understanding the original Book in one’s language is equally important.
I do not see any hope for an unified interpretation in near future anywhere; but at least an universally accepted translation should be possible.
Thanks

Racist pictures, racist comments… That makes you better than the extreme muslims that hate you?
There is a very small doubt in your chest saying that you are being unfiar. Listen to it. I know most contributers to this site are the sh1t that settles on a pig’s rectum. But a furious muslim like myself has chosen not to point fingers at every westener, because youre not all the same.
I am furious beyond the urge to take action…I’ll just wait for the day that offenders burn.

What a silly article, obviouslty a work of someone bent on defaming, rather than educating. A simpleton could put Zaidi in his place. A billboard villifiying a religion… lets see, the Nazi’s did that… they had posters of big nosed Jews all over Berlin, and we all know what that lead to. Please stop the hate and fear mongering of a population that, as a religion, has the lowest kill rate than any other religion in the 20th Century.

Sorry Ayan – Islam has the highest kill rate – we are talking about killing in the name of religion – not wars driven by politics, etc. Do try and get your facts straight!!!! Islam is number one in this respect – and that is about all that it does well. And again “A Muslim” – islam is not a race. Aryan, just so that YOU understand – the mistrust that the behavior of a significant minority of the muslim community has brought on the whole muslim community will only fade away when islam actually behaves like a religion of peace! It is up to you to change and since what you do is your choice you WILL live with the consequences.

A Muslim,
You know what make me angry – and it is certainly not someone like you throwing insults which makes you rather pitiable actually, it is the fact that you have kept your mouth SHUT when every new muslim atrocity hits the news. I keep a very close eye on your community, a very close eye (and not only through the internet), and I have not seen you contribute anything that can be even remotely described as a statement against the more extremist behavior of your co-religionists. When you stand up to the thugs that kill in the name of your religion you will have earned the right to claim that I (we) are being unfair to you personally, and I (we) will happily and sincerely apologise. Until that time shut the fuck up! You want to be treated with respect – then learn to treat others with respect. And there is absoluitely NO DOUBT in my chest that I ma being unfair – You people were

SY….
I’m not here to condemn your site, or to give you a hate speech etc….
I’d just request you to stop doing what you do (not that you’d stop doing, just ‘cos I said so); what you are doing here is creating hate.

Do you really think that you’re speaking about Islam? Is Islam alllll about ‘jihad’? Have you thought about the contexts on the jihad? or is it just kill-kill-kill? Havent you ever come across anything else on Islam?

I’m sure you’d have a reply for all of it (I’m not looking for a reply)

If you hate Islam, be straight-up on it. Why HURT other muslims? We respect other views, its just that we dont accept it

Let me tell you that you’re only hurting yourself both in this world and hereafter.

After reading the comments above from the muslim posters, all I can say is that you need to fight polygamy, honor killing and terrorism wherever you find it. It does no good to complain about what others say-you must put your actions behind what’s right. We all know that most muslims are good, decent people-it is those who are radical and extreme who must be stopped.

Hay you son of a Bitch. you coward if you are really son of one father then face the muslim people directly. this all your crab shows your mother slept with how many men to bring you to this world. yes we muslim wants to marry four women because we can satisfy them not like your fathers who fail to satisfy you mother.
mail me personally if you have courage.

someone said theres a limit of wisdom but they can neva be a limit of stupidity, motherfuker if u got balls say something direct u pieace of jealoused shit. n look at all those ppl writing comments without a name are right pussies as well tut feel sorry for u dumb fuks.
agree with brothers ricky, a muslim and zubair.

Sheik,
This site seems to be attracting the real muslim intelligentsia here!!!!

Nice to see Zubair, waqas and nasrallah showing us the cream of islamic evolution.

The question is:
What possibly can these “gentlemen” contribute to our societies??? Murder, rape, intolerance — the list is really endless.

Haroon, if you wish no adverse comment on your belief system then you should first perhaps advise “people” like zubair and co. on how to behave in a civilised world. The comment muslims attract derives directly from muslim actions – there is NO other source – and if muslims have really shown an ability to live in peace with others this web site would not exist. This simple fact has been stated over and over, but you and your co-religionists are either unwilling or incapable of understanding this simple concept.

Zubair – if you wish to threaten someone do it to their face – then they can beat the shit out of you if that is required. Oh, and I doubt very much that you can even satisfy yourself sexually with your left hand – let alone four women. I would bet that your pet goat is always rather concerned come evening time.

Waqas, You demonstrate most ably that there is no limit to stupidity.
No one is jealous of you ! Why would we be jealous of you? You are violent, uneducated, not terribly intelligent, and you cannot spell. You are unable to perceive that the almost universal mistrust and hatred of muslims comes as a direct consequence of what muslims do to others. You have been beaten every time that you have risen to threaten the peaceful citizens of this world, and since it is clear that you and your ilk are incapable of learning this will happen again. There is a war coming – a war of your making – and when the ashes have settled you and your kind will be extinct.

As a result of CAMERA’s correspondence with AP, the wire service corrects a photo caption which falsely stated that a Palestinian protester with his hands help up in the air has “passed out” from tear gas fired by Israeli troops.

What a surprise… The Z*onist Jew at his (damnable) best: spreading hate, racism, lies, mischief, deceit, blasphemy, pornography and all the general sickness pouring forth from his black heart.

The self same Zio Jew who’s own (Talmudic) tradition is based on the practices and beliefs of depraved (Babylonian) occultists of yesteryear… No doubt this is why the Talmud compares a man’s sexual intercourse with girls under 3 years of age to a mere “poke in the eye”, and regards all non-Jews as a sub-human species even the best of whom “should be killed”…

What can one expect from such a hypocrite…

Look into yourself, liar… All the foulness you spout tells a story about who *you* are… As per Freud’s “transferrence”… Whatever it is you accuse muslims and their spiritual guides of being/doing reveals *your own* internal obsessions: your own faecal, debauched, depraved, defaming, pornographic, racist, hate-filled persona…

Whatever it is you affect to denounce effectively describes your own way of living and being, not someone else’s…

No wonder God made you an accursed nation. He destroyed you again and again, cast you out of your homes again and again for rejecting Him and His prophets. He gave you a new Covenant with Isa (Jesus, pbuh) and you rejected it, preferring to wait for the false messiah… Who, no doubt, will be the worst of your nation to ever disgrace the face of the Earth – but he will be the last…

May Allah (swt) disable your hands and mouth, stopping you dead in your tracks… May He afflict you with tribulations right, left and centre… So much so that you either go insane or perish in the midst of them or you concede, at length, that you were so violently and sickeningly wrong in your endeavours against Him and his messengers. Ameen Ya Rabb.

A good Muslim will kill anyone who isn’t Muslim, an infidel.
Sounds charming.
What if, hypothetically a child was born smack bang in the middle of Arab land (please excuse the blunt terminology)
and was raised without a clue about Islam and what being Muslim stands for. Then in their early adult-hood was introduced to it, and decided that it was all morally wrong to them, but they were a good person. Should they die? If YES, then there is no argument about it.

If you were to meet someone for the first time and they told you they belonged to a religion that you had never heard of, you asked them what it stood for, what it meant, and that response was of killing anyone who doesn’t believe; (not to mention the questionable manner in they way women are treated)
1. Why wouldn’t someone be scared
2. why would you want to be part of it (unless you liked to kill (good for some people…)

Oh but the virgins, I forgot! It is something that Muslims and Catholics have in common, they both like Virgins.
If you were a modern Muslim, many many girls loose their virginity these days in their early teens. So to entice men into killing in the name of Allah, they’re told there will be 72 Virgins (girls aged 15 and younger) waiting for them!
Seems like Muslims and Catholics have a bit in common, but Catholics tend to go for young boys instead

Mr Bangas, you need to learn about something before you comment upon it, much less criticise it; that is from wisdom. Speaking from ignorance, as you are doing, harms you, your family, friends and the rest of humanity…

You swallow hook, line and sinker the myths created by, amongst others, the lying Z*onists as part of their black propaganda against muslims and Islam.

Take the “72 virgins” as an example… There is no reference in Islamic texts to “72 virgins”. There is, however, a *weak* narration attributed to the Prophet (SAW), to wit:

“The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah (a Damascus suburb) to Sana’a (Yemen)” – Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562.

Notice: no mention of martyrdom or suicide missions etc. Martyrdom in Islam deserves the *highest* reward, not the least. Also, the above hadith (narration) is considered weak in authenticity terms due to a flawed chain of transmission. In other words, it cannot be accepted as truly authentic. It may, in other words, have been fabricated, mis-narrated etc…

In onw of the narrations from the most authentic collection of hadith, the Prophet (SAW) tells his followers that a man amongst the muslims who just has been seen to fight fought valiantly and bravely in a particular battle, incurring many crippling wounds in the process, is of the “people of the Fire” (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 77, Number 603). This astonishes the muslims but is later explained when the man in question takes his own life rather than bear his wounds! So, regardless of his valiant, brave effort and the self-sacrifice in combat that has brought about his severe wounds, because he then hastens his own death, he becomes a dweller of Hell!!

“And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection”. (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73)

You need to research Islam, just as you would research any other topic… Understanding will not come from visiting hate sites like this one, where you will find only misinformation and defamation for defamation’s sake…

You owe it to yourself, those whom you love and those you know to tell the truth instead of swallowing and repeating lies and general deceit, which harms everyone. You will only know the truth of something when you study it – with sincerity…

Why don’t you take it up with your co-religionists who are such obvious misunderstanders of your peaceful religion? Here we have it from ex-Muslims and from Muslims who seem to know your religion better than you do:Muhammads Great Bordello in the Sky

Or try to educate Saudi Cleric Omar Al-Sweilem who Extols the Breasts and Thighs of the Black-Eyed Virgins of Paradise here:

Umar makes a good point here. Seems to me that it’s in everyone’s interests to do what he is doing and correct misunderstandings about these things. If the Hadiths teach that people who kill themselves go to hell, then making this teaching clear also makes clear that suicide bombers etc are not acting on Allah’s behalf. Good muslims who don’t understand this and mistakenly expect virgins in heaven might change their plans if they are sincere about their religion. In the same way, westerners that equate Islam with suicide attacks will learn differently and not unfairly lay this charge at their feet.

Umar, thankyou for your valuable input; I hope you will be patient enough to continue to provide others with reasoned facts. You are very welcome to add your comments to my blog, it is a Christian site and you will be treated with respect.

Sheikyermami, unless you know of a clear teaching that differs with what Umar has explained, spreading these teachings would be a constructive use for your website.

It’s a lie to say that the Qur’an prohibits committing suicide. The Qur’an only prohibits taking one’s life for no holy purpose. The Qur’an condemns killing one-self only out of frustrations and for no good reason. But to die in the process of killing non-muslims/kaffirs for the cause of Islam is considered a good deed for believers, and Allah promises many rewards for it.

There is one most important and appropriate quote that we must consider in beginning a discussion on this issue: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” (Blaise Pascal, 1670).

The Qur’an and Sahih (pure) hadiths do encourage believers to commit suicide if necessary, in order to kill infidels/kaffirs, for the sake of Islam. The Qur’an repeatedly promises terrestrial handsome rewards for those who can kill kaffirs (enemy of Allah and His messenger) and dreadful punishing hellfire for those who refuse to kill kaffirs.

Muslims believe that their actual life starts after death and they have very little desire to prolong their life in this material world. The Qur’an also incites followers to sacrifice their lives in order to kill kaffirs in exchange of a much better and lucrative after life. In the Qur’anic verse 9:111, we find the incentive for jihadis to die in battle: the rewards of paradise, which involves sex with virgins. There are many other verses that promise rewards in paradise for death in jihad (i.e. 4:74, 4:95, 3:169). Such verses clearly order devout Muslims to kill and be killed. Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives, to commit suicide, in His cause in order to kill infidels (enemies of Allah).

The verse 9:111 says: “Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed.”

This verse very precisely justifies suicide bombing – the most lethal, terrifying, inhuman and successful weapon Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah’s enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of the suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In verse 9:111 Allah is clearly saying that He has purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause of killing kaffirs. And the Qur’an is loaded with many more verses ordering the ardent followers to carry out endless killing of infidels/unbelievers until only Muslims remain to inhibit this Earth owned by the Islamic Allah (i.e. 8:39, 9:29, 3:85, 9:39, 9:73, 8:65, 8:66, 4:78, 2:193, 2:216, 5:33, 4:89, 9:5, 9:28, 8:67, 8:17, 9:23, 3:28, 5:45, 47:4, 9:123, 2:191, 8:12).

Umar is, of course, an indoctrinated creature devoid of any rational thought and so full of hatred, that he wishes me dead. As a Muhammad worshiper, he is religiously obliged to engage in taqiyya, lies and deception to defend Islam.

Thanks for that Shiekyermami (except for the unnecessary personal attack on Umar).

The point of debate here is not about whether the Koran exhorts violence or not. The verses you’ve listed do to my understanding say that quite clearly and it appears to me that this is how they have been interpreted over time. There are other passages that promote peace, but my understanding is that the violent and the peaceful passages apply to different times, different pathways – the roads to Mecca and Medina. Umar appears to have a good grasp of Koranic teaching and I would welcome any insights he has on that here if he believes we have misinterpreted the verses.

The point of contention however is that the passages say “be killed”, not “kill themselves”. This is not a small issue. Western armies for instance will readily send soldiers into battle knowing that they will be killed – the US for instance could quite easily co-opt Sura 9:111 to say of their own soldiers “They will fight for our cause, kill and be killed”. These soldiers are brave and readily accept the possibility or likelihood of death, but there is a big difference between this and suicide. The difference is even greater for muslims who have a teaching promising hell to those who commit suicide whereas the secular west has no such thing.

Classical muslim jurists have certainly always taught this distinction and it was well understood; the rise of those who blur the distinction is a very recent thing. Even the terrorists of the 1960’s & 70’s took care not to be killed in their own attacks. Suicide attacks only really entered the muslim world with Hizbullah and Hamas in 1982. The passage quoted by Umar is quite extensive and very explicit in its warning. Other teachings exist as well, such as the hadith qudsi which describes a man mortally wounded in ‘holy’ war who killed himself to shorten his pain. The teaching says that Allah told Muhammed “My servant pre-empted me by taking his soul with his own hand; he will therefore not be admitted to paradise.”

If classical Islam teaches that suicide even as part of war is punishable by hell, then those terrorists that do so supposedly in the name of Allah commit blasphemy (from a muslim perspective).

Christian:
Obviously, there is no cure for your obsession and immoral equivocations. You object to my “unnecessary personal attack on Umar” while ignoring his curses and death-wish on me.
You also seem to be reality resistant (or is it a learning disability or both?) otherwise you wouldn’t come back telling me that we (infidels) should consider suicide bombings as subject for debate. The highest ranking Islamic clerics are all agreed that suicide bombings are praiseworthy and have sung the praises of the “martyrs” that have followed Muhammads teachings as per Koran 9:111
“They will fight for our cause, kill and be killed”.
Your claim: “the rise of those who blur the distinction is a very recent thing”- is equally absurd, since the sura goes back to the days of Muhammad. Google ‘assassin’- it comes from ‘hashishin’.

“Western armies for instance will readily send soldiers into battle knowing that they will be killed” is extremely offensive to me, (and to every western soldier who goes to war) that you equivocate the Mohammedan death-wish and the promised rewards (72houris, 28 boyz) in Muhammads bordello with the diametrically opposed mindset of General Patten: “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. … The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his…”

Besides, FYI: just yesterday a Muslim scholar opposed to suicide bombing was killed by a suicide bomber

I’m disappointed Sheikyermami, I thought that you might have been interested in a rational debate but in the absence of an answer you’ve reverted to personal attacks and avoidance of the subject again.

Nothing that you have said in your post presents evidence that the Koran encourages killing yourself as opposed to being killed in battle. That’s the point you need to make. When you have something concrete to add such as the quotes in your earlier post you appear quite rational, but as soon as you are faced with a line of reason that you can’t answer you revert to abuse and game playing.

Dear Christian:
It is not the purpose of this website to whitewash Islamic scriptures or make Islam more acceptable for unsuspecting infidels. If that’s what you want, read Fareed Zakaria or drink Umar’s taqiyya straight up.

This website informs and educates. It is not my business to waste time with obstinate PC-cultists obsessed with imaginary guilt and a savior complex, a disease that weakens our resolve to keep our society and civilization Islam-free.

Update:

PC and multiculti is the problem, not the solution:

In the words of Mark Steyn:

On the continent [Europe], they pay lip service to multiculturalism and celebrate diversity, and all the rest of it; but when at a certain point, when they realize that they are looking at a life and death situation, a percentage of them will change in very unpleasant ways. So you have, on the one hand –this is the trap they are caught in – you will have people like the Swedish minister who said that we should be nice to Muslims so when they will be in a majority, they will be nice to us, or the Dutch minister who says that it would be nothing wrong with sharia if the people voted for it democratically in a Dutch election. But on the other hand you would have a lot of darker forces that, when push comes to shove, would not go easily into the long Arabian night.

But back to what we’re facing, if we allow Muslims to keep invading our countries:

Pakistan: Muslims tell Christians to convert to Islam, pay the jizya, or die

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29

“Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them….If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.” — Muhammad (Sahih Muslim 4294)

Yet more Misunderstanders of Islam make the obvious, boneheaded mistake of acting upon what Islamic texts teach.

You’re not telling me anything new Sheik. I’ve been a Christian for a long time, I have quite a few friends that have suffered at the hands of Islam and I have worked hard to dispel the myths that Islam is peaceful, just misunderstood. I don’t need to tell you these things again so I’ll leave that there.

I have 2 issues with what you do:

1) You claim to inform and educate, but when faced with information such as that above, you work to increase people’s ignorance by diverting them from the subject and resorting to childish arguments and name calling. You do this whenever you are faced with facts that make you appear fanatical and misinformed. In contrast, Umar presented valid facts and reason. You, Sheikyermami have done more on this page to contrast Islam as the voice of reason than many muslim apologists.
2) You respond to hate with hate and thereby continue the cycle. You initiate new conflicts and stir the pot rather than providing a safe environment where muslims and any others are free to question their beliefs and discuss them openly, peacefully and rationally as I have found many prepared to do.

It appears to me that you are a sociopath – a narcissist that by definition is unable to empathise with others. I hope very much that I am wrong because confused, hurt people flock to narcissistic leaders and together are capable of immense harm. If I am right, my words will be meaningless to you and you will continue as you have done; but if this is the case I intend to do what I can to expose your fraud.

So for you, a fake ‘Christian’ communist, Umar’s insane rants are ‘rational?’ Who is the fanatic here?

“Umar presented valid facts and reason?”-

Here’s Umar:

“May Allah (swt) disable your hands and mouth, stopping you dead in your tracks… May He afflict you with tribulations right, left and centre… So much so that you either go insane or perish in the midst of them or you concede, at length, that you were so violently and sickeningly wrong in your endeavours against Him and his messengers. Ameen Ya Rabb”

You complain about me name-calling, but you call me a “sociopath – narcissist” while calling Islam a “voice of reason?”

Ever since you started to post here, you been trying to defend Islam, demanded “respect”, kept chewing on the old ‘racist’ canard, you even threatened me “to expose my fraud” and tried to trip me in some kind of genocidal rant while at the same time calling for some kind of Christian love and compa$$ion (as if it there was an obligation) –

No Sir, there’s not.

“2) You respond to hate with hate and thereby continue the cycle. You initiate new conflicts and stir the pot rather than providing a safe environment where muslims and any others are free to question their beliefs and discuss them openly, peacefully and rationally as I have found many prepared to do.”

I don’t hate. I care. I care for the future of western civilization, for the birthright of OUR kids, for freedom and democracy, for OUR culture and OUR civilization which is the best in the history of mankind. I see disengagement from the “Muslim world” as an obligation. In fact its more than that: its a matter of self-preservation, because we cannot coexist.

I don’t care if Muslims like Umar are posting here. I don’t care if Muslims want me dead. I have thousands of hatemail from guys like Umar.
I care for my people, who are going to be dhimmies (or dead) if we don’t reverse the Islamic invasion.

“You’re not telling me anything new Sheik”-

I’m no ‘Hope’n’Change’ man. I don’t claim to reinvent the wheel.

Muslims hate because they are religiously obliged to hate unbelievers. Their whole belief-system is based on hate. Without hatred against the kuffar, without jihad, there is no Islam.

Is there another religion with a genocidal mandate to wipe out Jews to the last?

Still wanna tell me we have an obligation to make Muslims comfy among us?

Again, no answer so a lot of rehashing of previous points and twisting of my words. The fraud is that interpret what you do as “care”, when there are so many people out in the world you obviously fear so greatly who have the courage to respond to hate with love. They face hard reality and bear the anger on their own lives rather than cowering behind deception and half truths.

When I cursed you, Sheikh Yerfists, there was no “death threat” involved… Prove that *I* threatened to do harm to you… Go on, call the police, ask them to round up suspects… They might have a little trouble bringing in a certain Deity, though…

Such a drama queen…

What I did, and completely justifiably, was to wish upon you, consequent to the vile, disgusting defamatory bile you have produced on this website which attacks – not critices – in the sickest way, personages revered by 1.5bn human beings… I have merely wished, I say, what God Almighty promises to all those who fight and defame his Deen (way of life), his messengers and their families…

Such mischief by the Children of Israel is not new… They started looong ago… They derided, mocked, ignored and opposed their own prophets, including Moses (AS)… Some they even murdered…

No other nation has done as much as yours to pour filth and scorn upon the great and blessed characters of Jesus (AS) and his mother Mary (AS) (whom muslims consider the best of womankind), though Jesus was the Messiah awaited by the Israelites!!

So why would you spare the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

Not only are you a hate-merchant and a deviant/ pornographer, but you are a liar to boot… Call this a “personal attack” if you will, but nothing of what I have said is inaccurate…

You are not attacking extremism, you are attacking Islam and all muslims… Do you still wonder at the ferocity of my response?? If you do, then you are also a fool…

You can quote verses from the Qur’an ad infinitum but you are too wretched to even try to comprehend their meaning IN THEIR CONTEXT… You take any verse that mentions killing, death etc and you jump on it, like some crazed bigot foaming at the mouth, just looking for something to use against people whom you have decided to hate BECAUSE OF ISRAEL!

You are such a hypocrite, that you have forgotten that your ancestors were saved time and again from desctruction by the muslims, *precisely because* of what is in the Qur’an and the example of the Prophet (SAW)… They flourished – yes as dhimmi paying the jizya (token pledge tribute) – in muslims lands, even establishing monopolies in various areas of industry and commerce… Your greatest scholar, Maimonides, flourished in the Middle Ages because of MUSLIM rule!

“I don’t hate. I care. I care for the future of western civilization, for the birthright of OUR kids, for freedom and democracy, for OUR culture and OUR civilization which is the best in the history of mankind. I see disengagement from the “Muslim world” as an obligation. In fact its more than that: its a matter of self-preservation, because we cannot coexist. ”

As a Zionist, you are not concerned with Western ‘Civilisation’, assuming such a thing exists. You are concerned with one thing and one thing alone –> save Zion! You would destroy the West – and the East, North and South – to protect a nation of vile, racist, neo-Nazis… Even a Jewish member of the UK parliament, a Zionist, who knew met all Israel’s PMs and was a friend of Golda Meir, has compared Israel’s actions to those of Nazis!!

“We Jews are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“. (Jacob Klatzkin, Zionist Ideologist, 1921.)

Why don’t you put your own house in order before you broach the question of what muslims believe? Look a little closer to home…

Rabbi Ovadia Yosip, head of worldwide Mizrahi Jewry and ‘spiritual’ leader of the Israeli Shas party (who regularly has members in ministerial posts) – who has been greeted by PM Tony Blair amongst others – refers to Arabs as “rats”, “dogs”, “snakes” etc and calls for their annihilation…

What about a Talmud-soaked ex- ‘spiritual’ head of Israel’s Central Region Command forces:
“When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed… Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized … In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.” (Colonel Rabbi A. Avidan (Zemel), ‘Tohar hannesheq le’or hahalakhah’ in Be’iqvot milhemet yom hakkippurim –
pirqey hagut, halakhah umehqar, Central Region Command, 1973.)

These people speak – and act – from the religious conviction informed by Talmudic teachings…

I would be more than happy to answer all charges levelled against our Deen, respond to all out-of-context quotes, explain the Qur’anic descriptions of Heaven etc, but that would only ever be AFTER you have proven that you are civilised and interested in 2-way dialogue, not one-way hate-speech. This would require taking down all the vile, injurious, opprobrious pictures and drawings on this site and removing all pornographic/ injurious references, remarks and so on…

Tell me… If you are only concerned with throwing filth at others, as this site makes abundantly clear, why should any rational person waste their time reasoning with you?

Both Guantanamo prisoners who should be taken up by request of the USA in Germany are known to the security services. As the news magazine “Focus” reports, a Tunisian had come in 1996 illegally to Germany and had applied under wrong name for asylum. In the federal state Hessen he was known to the police as a dealer.
According to the information of the authorities the Tunisian went through a paramilitary education. After the attacks from the 11th September he fled from Afghanistan to Iran, however, was sent back again and handed over in February, 2003 to the US military. The second Guantanamo prisoner was in a Taliban camp and appears according to the news magazine as a potential martyr in a video which was taken up in autumn, 2001. The Ministry of Internal Affairs sees no possibility for the admission of the prisoners because of of the legal conditions.
More:http://searchlight-germany.blogspot.com/2009/06/gitmo-prisoner-pushed-drugs-in-germany.html

People in the west are particularly aware of Islam due to the fear that completely random individuals will wander into a building with bombs strapped to their chest and kill hundreds, believing that they are on a mission from God. Most are not aware however that the Muslim scriptures explicitly condemn suicide for any reason, even as part of war.

““And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection”. (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73)

The reality is that there is not a single muslim scripture that condones suicide. There are plenty that say “be killed”, but none that say “kill yourself”. If this is the case, then why can such terrorism not be cut off at the root by broadcasting this teaching so that good muslims will no longer believe they are acting on Allah’s behalf by blowing themselves up or flying planes into buildings? Some muslims are attempting to spread this teaching, but they have been banned from this site.

When asked if he knew of any scriptures to say differently, Sheikyermami responded by saying that Muslim clerics now believe suicide bombings to be ok. Interestingly, if Muslim clerics say that Islam is a religion of peace he points them back to the scriptures that say differently, but not in this case. When asked why in this case alone he places the authority of a few modern clerics over the entire Muslim scriptures and their interpretation for the past 1,500 years, Sheikyermami blocked the poster. Clearly, there are some questions we are not allowed to ask.

Why does Sheikyermami want you to remain ignorant of this? How does he propose to free Muslims from Islam through reason (as he claims) when he promotes “Rational Ruthlessness”? Ruthlessness by definition means action that is not limited by empathy or compassion. A ruthless approach means that there are no limits to the lengths taken. No amount of propaganda is too much; no amount of violence is too much.

Consider carefully how much you listen to this person. If he responds to this message, check 1) does he provide answers from the Koran or the Hadiths, and 2) do these answers encourage soldiers to be brave enough to “be killed” or do they say “kill yourself”? If the answer does not satisfy both of these criteria he has attempted to mislead you. Be aware that Sheikyermami censors his information heavily and only allows you to read what he wants you to know. Ask yourself what his agenda is really, and whether you want to be played by him.

I have a better idea: you go and explain to the 40.000 Iranian suicide bombers in waiting, the hundreds of thousands of madrassah students in Pakistan, the thousands of Hamas, Hizbollah and Al Aqsa martyr’s brigades suicide trainees that what they’re doing is un-Islamic and they’re somehow misinterpreting sura 9:111. Now go and knock yourself out!

I’ve had a gut full of your prevarications and mendacity, your phony, pretentious humanitarian BS and your parasitic commie grievance theater. I allowed you (patiently) to post your rubbish here, but when you shamelessly lie and make up crap like “Sheikyermami censors his information heavily” (all your posts remain, for now) but if I don’t get an instant apology and a retraction, all your posts and those of your Muzz-compatriots, “Rev” and “Dave” who post with false e-mail addresses, will be summarily deleted.

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“Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.”

Another example of Zionist out-and-out hypocrisy…

Your entire site is an insult to and abuse of Islam and its 1.5bn followers!

You insult the Prophet (pbuh) in every conceivable way, clearly relishing in your depraved pornographic outpourings… What if your mother or grandmother were called a whore and this was elaborated upon in every way and a website created for that purpose with ‘evidence’ gathered and – as per your sick-minded m.o. – ‘interpreted’ in the blackest possible manner?

Hypocrite, liar, black-hearted propagandist, racist, enemy of humanity. This site says it all…

“REMEMBER: posting comments at WoJ is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and you will be gone.”

You abuse every privilege given to you by God – and your country’s Constitution…

May God blight your hands, your mouth and every part of you that is used to spread lies, deceit and depravity about His Deen and His blessed messengers. May be He make an exampe of you for all to see. Ameen.

Sheik, you know very well that I have weathered constant insults from you and replied with courtesy even if directly. Your post deceptively implies that you deleted mine because it was abusive when all I did was ask why you blocked me making a very valid point about the current subject. You have the power to mislead your readers this way and there is nothing I can do about it, I understand. But that is corrupt use of power and gives you no moral high ground from which to criticise others.

You say that disagreement and debate are welcome, so please, engage in debate with me and stop resorting to name calling, implying that I am stupid or misleading your readers as you have just done. You have the power here, please don’t misuse it.

You didn’t make a valid point about the ‘current subject’- you tried to play “Gotcha” with me, and you kept digging yourself ever deeper in a hole, over whether sura 9:111 justifies suicide bombing. I don’t have the time for games like this, and for you to whine over me ‘having the power to mislead readers’ is absurd.

This is my soapbox, remember?

Now I spell it out, for you and for the last time. And if you still don’t get it, please be gone and don’t post here unless you have a valid point to make:

There is a difference between wrong and right. There is a difference between left and right, day and night and a man is not woman.

All cultures are not equal. Religions are not equal. There is a difference between black and white, and to say that doesn’t make me ‘racist’.

The law of gravity is SELF-EVIDENT.

The fact that Muslims have attacked non-Muslims for 1400 years following the koranic command to enslave us, to force us under Islamic law, the sharia, is undeniable like the law of gravity.

Fact is that sura 9:111 is the justification for suicide bombers and the rewards of 72 virgins (along with 28 boyz like pearls) in an Islamic bordello are the reason for these ‘martyrdom missions’, but you insist its “my opinion” and that I’m wrong.

I don’t have time for that, I really don’t.

In the archives of this blog there are hundreds of videos and certified transcripts from the highest raking mullahs, muftis and imams in the Islamic world, from Saudi Arabia to Cairo, including Sheik Qaradawi, sheik Tantawi and Mufti Goma from Al Azahr, clearly stating that those who die in suicide missions are the highest rewarded ‘martyrs’. The muslim understanding of ‘martyr’ is obviously not the same as the Christian one, just like ‘peace’ or ‘oppression’ has a completely different meaning for a muslim, who believes he has a natural, Allah-given right to rule cruelly over the subjugated infidel (dhimmi) who must not be allowed to rule any part of this earth.

That’s why its called Islamic supremacy.

I am unimpressed about ‘global worming’ and care even less about ‘carbon trading’- its all bogus.

So is “Shell’s access to oil in the Nigerian delta with no environmental restrictions”- this blog is called Winds of Jihad, its about stopping the muslim invasion, which will turn our world into an Islamic desert if we don’t succeed to keep them out. Islam stifles mental growth. Read it, here.

Our ancestors understood that and fought the muslims valiantly. If 300 years ago Vienna fell to the Muslims, we would all be prostrating ourselves to Mecca 5 times a day, women would be under black shrouds and have their clitorises cut out, and you would be stoned for adultery or blasphemy.

If you watch Geert Wilders latest video you might try to understand what’s at stake: to do whatever it takes, (and that means legally) to reverse the Islamic invasion in Europe, Australia and America (or wherever the jihad rages)

It is also important to understand that its not an ‘irrational fear of terrorism’ that is our first concern. What matters is demographics, jihad by outbreeding. By replacing secular democracy with sharia and all the rest.

Here is the real conundrum: how does anyone make clear the truth of such a vile and hateful ideology, when to make such a statement as I just have is considered to be “vile and hateful” itself? How can we protect ourselves and our descendants when even to seek wisdom on this issue is despised?

There is no art in Islam. There is no music in Islam. There is no science in Islam. There is no equality for women or non-Muslims in Islam. Ayatollah Khomeini told us there is no fun in Islam.

Just to wrap everything up, we can simply aver: There is no civilization in Islam.Link
Update:
Both Old and New Testament exhort us to love good and HATE EVIL.

Psalm 97:10
Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

Proverbs 8:13
To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

Amos 5:15
Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph.

Romans 12:9
9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

As Israel has compromised and offered citizenship to Arabs since 1948 and given up land in an attempt to appease an implacable foe, I am reminded of the following verse:

Numbers 33
55 ” ‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. 56 And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them.’ “

It is time to develop an “I just don’t care, anymore, what you think about me” attitude. For years, terms like intolerant, racist, -phobe, bigot…you name it, have been used as means to shame us into silence.

I understand that this is your soapbox – that’s what you ‘having the power’ means. In the entire post you just gave me you could not show one single instance where I had insulted you, was slanderous etc as you had claimed. If there wasn’t anywhere that I did that then that claim was misleading wasn’t it?

Discussing the meaning of Sura 9:111 is not off topic is it? So drop that misleading accusation. I have repeatedly acknowledged that it has been used to justify suicide attacks since 1982 haven’t I? So stop repeating the obvious as if it changes things! The question I asked you because you have obviously spent a lot of time reading the Koran is whether there is a scripture that allows suicide as an act of war, because Sura 9:111 does not cover the topic.

It may be that we’re just talking across a big culture gap and misunderstanding each other. I work as a research scientist and follow the falsification principle – you put forward a hypothesis based on observations and then look for evidence to disprove it. You write it up as a paper and send it in to a group of faceless strangers who tear it to bits and criticise every aspect that they can find of it. After you’ve addressed their issues, it’s finally published, where any other scientist on earth can read it, find fault with it and write another paper to refute it. That’s the scientific process; it keeps us honest.

Now say I write up a theory that says “everyone in the world is white”, then I survey Scandinavia and come up with millions of people, all who are white. If I send that enormous dataset in to a journal and a reviewer says “I know someone who isn’t white”, my entire thesis has been disproven. The entire crux of the argument is not about the millions of white people I surveyed, it’s about the one person who wasn’t. I can wax poetic about the streets lined with white faces that I saw, I can do some more research in Russia, I can tell the reviewer he’s annoying, I can call him a muslim, a communist or tell him he’s fat, but unless I prove that the person he knows is actually white after all, I don’t have a case. He’s not ‘playing gotcha’, he’s using the scientific method, he’s just being reasonable.

That’s what I’m about here; I want to get to the bottom of things. Because I am interested in the same issue that you are, I think it’s important to know whether suicide attacks really are based on muslim scripture, or if as many other jurists say they are a misinterpretation. Listing more people that interpret Sura 9:111 as you do is like finding more white faces. The issue is what the scriptures say. So do you know any scriptures that explicitly support or allow suicide, that give a loophole to the hadith that promises hell? I’v got no interest in gloating, but if someone who has clearly looked into the issue as much as you have can’t find one, I think that’s noteworthy.

And on Global Warming, if you can demonstrate that you have a better grip on climatology than the thousands of climate scientists and have a proven case that discredits all of theirs, then you can dismiss all of the destruction we are causing. But without that, you need to get the log out of your eye. The World Health Organisation estimated a few years ago that there are already 100,000 people dying a year as a result of the warming that has already happened. Just as muslims need to take responsibility for their actions, so do we.

As difficult as it is, Fitzgerald’s conundrum is not quite so bad as as it seems if we adopt the Christian principle “hate the sin, love the sinner”.

Fitzgerald said: “how does anyone make clear the truth of such a vile and hateful ideology, when to make such a statement as I just have is considered to be “vile and hateful” itself?” If, during WWII I was to say that the German extermination of the Jews was vile and hateful, I would be just. If I instead was to say “Germans are vile and hateful”, then yes, I would be vile and hateful myself. This Christian principle has been embodied to some degree in the Rule of Law, which allows us to identify exactly what is vile and hateful without having to hate the perpetrators. It allows us to decide that female “circumcision” is vile and cruel, that forcing people to convert to your belief under threat of violence or persecution is vile and hateful, that stoning women for being raped is unspeakably evil. It allows us to do all of these things in perfect freedom – neither you or Fitzgerald is really in a conundrum at all. But if you start treating people from places where these things are practiced as if they themselves are vile and hateful, then yes, you yourself have become the thing you hate.

If you read back over the passages you have quoted, you will find the principle that I’m describing. At no point does God tell us to “hate evil people, love good ones”, instead he says “hate evil, love good, maintain justice in the courts”. When missionaries entered the West Papuan highlands, they encountered a belief that taught people that the highest ‘good’ was to befriend your enemies, earn their deepest trust and then at the moment of greatest trust, betray and kill them as brutally as possible. When they told the story of Judas betraying Jesus, the people cheered in excitement, honestly believing that Judas was the hero of the story. At that point the missionaries could have said “these people are vile & hateful”, but instead they set out to expose to the people what was vile and hateful about that kind of thinking. They didn’t communicate any form of rejection, because as much as they hated the sin, they still loved the sinner. Which I’m glad of – free of that sort of thinking now the West Papuans I know are kind, generous, caring funny people with a beautiful culture and I enjoy their company no end. They were never vile, there was just a vile practice.

This is how you can avoid the titles “intolerant, bigot, racist” etc and still maintain your integrity. Campaign with everything in you against the behaviours, but love the people. Welcome Muslims to your country, but do it fully. A Texan friend of mine opened his house to Muslim refugees so that they became part of his family. In doing so, they were placed in a safe environment where they were completely loved and accepted, while being subject to laws that forbid certain behaviours. People in this environment come eventually to a crisis of belief – they see the contrast between the good they are experiencing and the evil that they are being asked to perpetrate, and they are forced to choose. The reality is that over and over again, people who are accepted into a caring society let the old beliefs fall off them like yesterday’s clothes. The formula is a simple one – hate evil, love good, maintain justice in the courts. Hold the laws against what is wrong firm and enforce them justly in the courts, but love the people. Without both sides happening, we have our present situation.

Christian , what is wrong with you? You are beyond reason. You accuse Sheik of things and then do the same. You called him a narcissist. I could not even find a word to describe you. You are a walking bafflement. You say you are a Christian and then you go to extraordinary lengths to defend the indefensible.
So you have Muslim friends..this site is not about your friends.
Sheik is not a fraud and the others who post here are not “lost” or “hurt.” You are the one who is very confused.
I hope you find something worthwhile to do. I will not respond or reply to any more of your posts.

What an unadulterated f*cker you are, Sheik Sh*thead. One of these days you will be crushed under a large object and once your putrid corpse has been scraped off the ground and the ground cleansed, the stench that was you will be but a memory…

Your foulness will be your undoing… Mark my words… As the Talmud so aptly puts it: “J*ws are incorrigible f*ckers so drop big, heavy objects on them and purify the world of their stench”.

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Yourheadonaplate,
bugger off idiot!!!
Lets hope that your wishes come to pass on you.
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A Christian
You have lost the plot – and you quite simply do not understand the logic of the enemy. Granted most muslims are probably OK, but there are a significant minority who are not!! These are the ones that concern us. Behaving like Neville Chamberlain is no solution. You are welcome to pray and ask your G_D for help – others will solve the problem in their own way – and for some this means waiting for the dogs of war to be unleashed. Put me in this last category, and I have lived for a short time in one so I make the statement in full knowledge of what it implies. Your logic is flawed and insulting people does little to further your cause or win adherents to your form of pacifism. The game you play requires both parties to genuinely participate – not just one! From my viewpoint there is only one that participates honestly, and that is not the muslim site.

A Christian,
It is clear that many muslims do not interpet the Quran as you, or Umar, interpret. I suggest you speak to them and correct their “musunderstanding”.
They would claim that the interpretations offered by eg Umar are incorrect. Since there is no ultimate authority in islam as in other religions (ie a body that plays the same role as the Pope and Vatican councils within the Roman Catholic community) these differences cannot be resolved. Islam needs to be destroyed/deconstructed/reconstructed, reformation is not sufficient. Until that happens the arguments offered by you and Umar are meaningless. To correct you one one further point – the main motivation for people to comment here is to provide information and comment on a problem that many consider relevant to the present time – that of muslim intolerance.

He calls the sheik “a sociopath – a narcissist and a fraud who is causing harm” and even invokes “genocide”, thereby projecting the Moslem mantra for wiping out the unbelievers onto us. What mental acrobat, what an infantile jackass! He doesn’t even acknowledge his own insults, but sulks like a bitch when he cops it in return.

And all he’s got to offer is some “Little Mosque in the Prairie” kumbaya, as if we had some kind of obligation to open the floodgates to the barbarians.

“A Texan friend of mine opened his house to Muslim refugees..” blah blah… as if that changed anything on the attitudes of Moslems who are religiously obliged to terrorize us and to make us Islamic! There is no proof that Muslims integrated or assimilated anywhere, Christian. But there is plenty of proof (and a long line of corpses) that the Koranimals follow their Koranic commands.

Umar is just doing his Islamic da’awa, nothing we haven’t heard before.
The ‘Christian’ (who sounds very Islamic to me) does the same, and the fact that Umar, the Rev and a couple of others appeared in support of him doesn’t look like an accident to me.

doctor koolaid,

you are quite right that there is no evidence for any (peaceful) integration or assimilation of Muslims in any society, but there are millions of corpses to prove the exact opposite.

It is not our business to straighten the Koranimals out or to teach them that some kind of peaceful Islam exists, there is no such thing. I’ve had more than a gut full of people who tell us that opposing the Islamization of Western countries makes us “haters” or makes “us just like them” that we have to break that “cycle of violence” (how do we do that if its their religion to wage war on us?) along with the demand that we throw (even more) money at the problem which only encourages the Muselmaniacs to demand more.

No. There has to be an end to this. A reversal of the Islamic invasion, no mosques, no madrassahs,no “outreach-interfaith-da’awa’ garbage, no special rights for Islam (face coverings, Muslim holidays etc) and absolute law-enforcement, which must include the stripping of citizenship for muslims who engage in jihad, terrorism or related crime.

I call that self-preservation. That is not only our birthright, but also our duty and obligation. We owe it to our future generations, who will curse us for having been so stoopid to allow this multiculti experiment to take us to the abyss.

Ah yes, Hassan:

We infidels can’t possibly understand Islam because we’re “ignorant”.

Like here:

1. “ignorant”

–foolish (6:35); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); have no sense (5:103, 10:100); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60).

2. “bad/evil, liars, etc.”

–“evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); evil-livers (5:59); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); “enemy” (63:4); ungrateful traitors (31:32).

What a great debate! Remove every one of my comments so that no one can see the rubbish you’re talking! Obviously I must be a muslim kaw; what other possible explanation could there be? Maybe I just disagree with you! I note that no one except the Sheik posted any comments when I was here to debate them, but you all come out of the woodwork when I’ve been gagged.

“I could trace it down, maybe even photograph it in its surroundings”. Better still, come and meet me face to face and talk without the benefit of someone to edit out everything that you can’t answer! Are you the official stalker here? Do I need to put my family somewhere safe? You’ve already told me that you don’t care whether I live or die, just how do you silence people when you can’t face the facts they give you?

A narcissist is someone that can’t empathise and a sociopath is someone that takes their lack of empathy to the point that they don’t care how their actions hurt other people. Think of how you relate to muslims – do either of these terms fit you?

A Christian,
You waste people’s time – you have written reams and said little. Ask the thousands who have died in the last few years as a direct consequence of muslim intolerance and aggression as to how they should have related to muslims. When muslims are willing to accept others as equal I will have nothing to say. Your ramblings share certain characteristics with the normal muslim diatribes – your logic is usually incomplete or false and as far as I am concerned there is a high probability that you are a muslim parasite. If you are not a muslim then you are our worst enemy – a dhimmi incapable of standing up to muslim thuggery. That is precisely why I wrote that it might be interesting to track you down – to verify this suspicion. And what facts have you given me that I cannot face??? I am quite amused by the statement.

Kaw, I think you’ve won. My entire argument has been this:
1) The Koran contains many teachings that I as a Christian find cruel – both to muslims such as the women forced to wear Burkhas and to non-muslims
2) Because of this, the picture of God in the Koran is a cruel one. He is cruel to his slaves and makes them at times be cruel to others. His victims are Muslims as well as non-Muslims.
3) I believe that the victims of Allah need love. I believe it because that is central to Christianity – to think differently is to reject the teachings of Jesus. I therefore campaign strongly against Muslim violence as I do against any other violence, but I defend the rights of Muslim people to believe what they believe and practice those things that are not harmful. When I meet muslim people I care for them. My son follows in my path. Just last week a muslim girl in his class decided to leave her religion because of the way she saw him behave – with strength, justice and compassion. She will now have a hard road with her family but we will support her.
4) The things that are wrong with Islam need to be legislated against. We need laws that ban polygamy, wife bashing, paedophilia etc even though they may offend some Muslims.
5) By combining a strong stance for justice with an equally strong stance for acceptance of and care for the people, we provide the way out. It works, Christians have been doing it for a long long time.

The alternative of “Rational Ruthlessness” is so poorly thought through. If we ban people fleeing violence, if we expel people for their beliefs, if we encourage mob violence like Cronulla then those people like the girl in my son’s class who could be freed are now hardened by righteous anger. “I did nothing wrong, I’m just a kid! Why should I be punished?”

For making these points I have been told that I am a Muslim. Doesn’t that seem even a little bit ridiculous to you? No one has yet given me a rational argument in response, just faith-based dogma such as “muslims can’t change”.

I look at my West Papuan friends who have been persecuted by the Indonesian military for 40 years and have maintained a peaceful response despite horrific treatment. The latest strategy of the TNI (military) is to bring in the Laskar Jihad and conduct proxy warfare. The LJ march up and down the streets in their white suits calling out chants about killing the Christians, but since they came a few years ago there has not yet been a massacre. Why not? Because the TNI intend the Papuans to crack and form their own militia. As long as the Papuans maintain peaceful resistance, any attack from the LJ will read in the international press as “Jihad slaughters defenceless Christians” and the UN will have massive pressure to act. But if the Papuans pick up weapons and accept the challenge, the headlines will read “fighting between Christians & Muslims” and the world will yawn about another religious war.

It terrifies me that they might read this website. 40 years of hope gone.

But I have gotten to the point now that the arrogance and ignorance of some (in particular the Sheik) have made me so angry that I find it very difficult to write in the spirit of my God. I don’t want to insult you or repond in the same spirit as I have been treated here, but it becomes increasingly difficult as I see the Sheik carry on like a kid with his dad’s gun, wreaking havok in blissful ignorance or perhaps something worse. Even now he has censored my latest post on his article about Global Warming without providing a single fact to refute me. Changing the subject or reverting to name calling because he can’t answer me is wilfull ignorance. This is a bad person and he is deliberately deceiving people on important matters.

I’m sure that you will now accuse me of exactly the same thing because that’s what you do. When I said (in the Sheik’s thread on AGW) that comparable numbers of people are dying from the effects of Climate Change as there are from Jihad, the Sheik didn’t challenge my numbers because he couldn’t; instead he accused me of saying that Christians & Jews are not being persecuted in some Muslim countries. When I said that forced migration would increase the incidence of Jihad, he accused me of Jew-hatred. Because of your ridiculous obsession with proving me to be a Muslim, you’ve gone to the point of threats. You could just use the photo I have provided with my link on every single post, but you’d prefer to make out that you’re going to find out where I live.

A rational conversation here is clearly impossible; I just deeply regret that I don’t have the time and patience to continue to expose this shameful fraud. If you do ever want to talk properly, please visit http://www.bloodwoodtree.org. I wish you the best.

A Christian
This is a long mail because you seem to be concerned for your safely. You have perhaps misinterpreted some things, so for your benefit I shall try and
explain what you may not have fully understood. You were not told that you were a muslim – you were told that your writings contained certain similarities which indicate a high probability that you were not whom you claim to be. This conclusion could be false – it is a very inexact science particularly with limited material (in your case) to study. I was also not aware that we were involved in a competition. I said that it would be amusing to see if you were actually a muslim – and the best way to do that would be to find you – and to find someone you track them down – no threat was made to you what so ever. If I was to ever threaten you it would be done face to face and not through email. Learn to differentiate between what is written and whatever you choose to project – there is a significant difference. I stand by my original comment – much of what you have written and the way it is structured is suggestive of strong muslim influcnce. As regards the Sheik and his understanding of GW – well I agree with most of what you have written, and am slightly confused by the tone of his replies but I do NOT know what has passed between you both. At some point the GW argument became a personal confrontation as has this which is rather tiresome. I agree with your basic arguments but much of the rigorous argument is subtle to untrained ears as you understand and thus the popularists tend to be heard whilst the serious scientists are either ignored or deliberately misunderstood. However the simple facts are that global mean temperatures show a current trend to increase and that CO2 levels and mean surface temperature appear to be correlated. To make your point you could have noted that at the end of the last ice age CO2 levels were 300 ppm (I have to dig out the reference for these numbers). Given that weather system can be approximately described a series of non-linear coupled PDES with appropriate boundary conditions I find the raise of 0(100%) in CO2 of significant concern. As for number dying through climate change, it is difficult to ascertain exactly – because overpopulation, corrupt politics, war are also linked with GW in rather subtle ways that I do not understand except that one can argue convincingly that links exist. No one can dispute your claim – but what can be disputed are the numbers, What cannot be disputed. and this may be the Sheiks point though I cannot speak for him, are the numbers that are killed by radical muslims on a weekly basis. And there is NO comment from the “moderate muslim” umma condemning this, I agree with you that the Papua – NG cannot confront the muslim militia who are directly supported by Indonesia through force of arms. But I don’t believe that the UN is capable of achieving anything. I said in a much earlier email if you can win the battle through peace and through living an outstanding life then you have my support and best wishes. It appears that your children have positively influenced muslims to the point that they now see a better and more honest alternative – this can only be a good thing – and your support for them is a good thing. However, I do not believe that the war can be won in this way and this is our principle difference. I see a hard core of islamic fanatics that will have to be destroyed – and the quicker this is done then the smaller will be the damage that they can achieve. In this sense your faith is perhaps stronger than mine. So if you see a nasty email from me that is less than polite it is either because the person to whom I am responsding is clearly a muslim with a very limited outlook, or a muslim supporter who has clearly not though out the consequences of their argument. For example . sharia finance – the ultimate control of this mechanism comes from whatever interpretation of sharia law is considered valid – and as there in no overriding authority in the interpretation of islamic law what islamic finance actually means can be subject to change. For this reason I consider it a weapon, and since the islamic brotherhood of Egypt developed it my concerns are justified. Yet very few people have acknowledged this point. Finally, i have no obsession with proving you to be green, pink, or yellow. The content of your correspondence and its style simply suggested that you were not who you claimed to be – perhaps the analysis was right – probably it was wrong – and a photo comparison provides no data whatsoever without a lot of additional work which I cannot afford. You are not being threatened – as far as I am aware you and your family are quite safe. You are making a positive contribution in your way so keep up that good work – but understand that the true meaning of what you read cannot often be correctly interpreted within your own reference frame. A simple example is the difficultly of translating jokes between two languages where the culture of the language is substantially different. It usually cannot work – so if you find something I have written disturbing then ask what was intended – I have no problem discussing the finer points and I have no fear of being corrected if I have made a mistake because then I too have learned something. Rest assured, I am sure you are quite safe – enjoy your Sunday with your family. And say a prayer for two families in Germany and one in South Korea for their children who will not be coming home. –

sorry again: there seem to be a error in sent/received text again which i do not understand – so i will do this another way. At end of the last ice age CO2 levels were of order 170pp. Now they are of order 300 ppm (ppm = parts per million) Fit that into line 25 of second last email – apologies for wasting bandwidth.

Thanks kaw, it’s good to leave with the impression that someone here can think. It seems that you understand where I’m coming from but I won’t push you. I’m reminded of what Victor Kravchenko said when he joined Stalin: “I was a soldier in a highly disciplined army in which obedience to the centre was the first and almost sole virtue. To meet the wrong people, to listen to the wrong words, thereafter would be inadmissable.”

Oh yes, the new term is now “Man Made Climate Change” not “Global Warming”. “Man Made Climate Change” allows the Goracle to hide behind a new euphemism and continue to claim the we are destroying the planet.

Knowing that current scientific research disproves the anthropogenic global warming theory, the U.N. ordered that no recent research be considered in the IPCC report. This is a scandal of which too few people are aware. As science, the U.N. report is a bad joke.

Carlin and Davidson go on to recite the scientific work that shows rather clearly that human activity is a minor factor, at most, in climate change–which has, of course, been occurring from the beginning of Earth’s history to the present. Their report is a useful summary of the evidence for those who are not familiar with it. More here…

Global warming zealots are a bit like Iran’s mullahs. They are fanatically devoted to a series of false propositions. Unable to win an open scientific debate, they consistently resort to bullying and brute force to suppress their opposition. Once again, we see the Obama administration taking the lead in this regard, putting political ideology above scientific truth and demanding that all others do likewise.

Even now he has censored my latest post on his article about Global Warming without providing a single fact to refute me. Changing the subject or reverting to name calling because he can’t answer me is wilfull ignorance. This is a bad person and he is deliberately deceiving people on important matters.

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“180 000 people are dying from the effects of Climate Change every year”- is an absurdity of Goraclish proportions.

People die from all kinds of things, from old age, from car accidents, from hunger and disease, from heat or cold and from exhaustion, but not from man-made climate change. Where is your proof, Philip? The fact that your on some government live-line that pays you for your ‘research’ is not proof. Neither is anything else you wrote. There was a lot of gibberish, but not facts.

“your ridiculous obsession with proving me to be a Muslim”- ?? You seem to be confusing me with someone else, Phil.

But anyway, lets visit your blog, Phil. After all, you have invited us, have you not?

What have we got here: “the end is neigh, the end is neigh: climate change conference in Copenhagen, melting icecaps in Greenland, acidity dissolves shells of various sea creatures…” We’re all gonna die, Phil. Global warming will get us, (if the nutroots and the mad Christians don’t get us first)

Next: Papuan refugees. Who pays for them, Phil? You?

“An Aboriginal friend told me …” Stolen generation anybody? Are you in the fairy tale business, Phil? Name 10 “stolen children” Phil. Name 10! (Absolute BS, just like your “Cronulla riots”) which don’t mention the Mohammedan attacks on innocent Australians, the cowardly behavior of the police who failed to do their job, and the non-prosecution of Muslim crime. Whereas an Aussie who walked down the street in the aftermath of Cronulla with a tree-branch got 6 months in the slammer.

Phil’s all for open borders, we are the world, we are the children! Open the floodgates!

Nobody is illegal! Not even “Illegal Asylum Seekers”- lets have ’em all, right Phil? Yes, lets have ’em all, let ’em squat on your front lawn. Get the mattresses out, Phil. There’s always room for more, you can handle that!

More climate change: the Ice shelves are breaking! We all gonna die! climate change will kill us all…”

For your enjoyment: I am now republishing comments from ‘Christian’ who is a nuisance poster and UmarA, a fanatical Jew hater.
Not that it adds anything to this blog, on the contrary, it distracts and annoys. Some of it, however, might be worth responding to, especially since the weird Christian claimed he “shot me down in flames” because I couldn’t disprove global worming.

Tim Flannery, undaunted by the failure of his predictions that global warming would cause Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide to now be out of water, went on Lateline last night to bang once more that doomsday drum that’s made him so rich.

And why wouldn’t he, when Lateline host Tony Jones is a fellow warming alarmist who is guaranteed not to ask him any awkward questions?

“I defend the rights of Muslim people to believe what they believe and practice those things that are not harmful. When I meet muslim people I care for them. My son follows in my path. Just last week a muslim girl in his class decided to leave her religion because of the way she saw him behave – with strength, justice and compassion. She will now have a hard road with her family but we will support her.”

Watch out, Christian. Apostasy means death. Her father might kill her. He might even kill your son and you. We can’t have that. You’re too valuable as a do-gooder.

“4) The things that are wrong with Islam need to be legislated against. We need laws that ban polygamy, wife bashing, paedophilia etc even though they may offend some Muslims.”

We have all these laws and more, but the law is not enforced, because we’re dealing with Muslims and our polit-props are a bunch of cowards. And do-gooders, multiculti-obsessed PC- lovers like yourself protect them from law-enforcement because they’re only “practicing their religion”.

“As long as the Papuans maintain peaceful resistance, any attack from the LJ will read in the international press as “Jihad slaughters defenceless Christians” and the UN will have massive pressure to act. But if the Papuans pick up weapons and accept the challenge, the headlines will read “fighting between Christians & Muslims” and the world will yawn about another religious war.

It terrifies me that they might read this website. 40 years of hope gone.”

So you think you can save the Papuans by ‘peaceful resistance?’ The Muslims will attack them, either way…

Lets see what Al-Ghazali actually wrote about jihad war, and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples (from the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D.):

…one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – Jews and Christians, typically] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…

Hi.
I am an infidel & loving it.
It’s about time our religeous nitwit friends (muslims) grew a collective brain.
Snap out of it people!!!
Are that many people (who follow islam) really so incredibly stupid?
We Evil Infidels know that the reason you all live and breath, and what you do all day, involves the eternal stuggle against the Infidel (me)
THE BIGGEST BARRIER TO ACTUAL CIVILITY, IS RELIGION!!!

the reason for polygamy is simple ,surplus women , there are 30 million more women in the west than men why cant women do it the answer is simple WHO IS YOUR DADDY I DONT KNOW 1 IN 4 CHANCE LOL and of course sexual diseases or stds which will spread if its a women and four men but not four women and a circumcised man thats why muslim nations have very low std and aids rates despite wide spread polygamy you need to take ideology out of the debate rob spencer , bernerd lewis are all proagandists with an agenda read an old testament and tell me it isnt as violent or worse than the quran justifying rape and murder ie “the genisis of genocide” as bernerd lewis once said of the old testament i say religion and politics need to be kept apart especially in regions were different religoouse groups ie lebanon live together its a bad idea the state must be neutral

German football club Schalke and their management are busy doing damage control and public relations work after a curious threat of protests and massive outrage over the team’s club song. The Bundesliga club is getting waves of protest emails, boycott threats and petitions after the German Muslim community began venting their anger over a passage of the club’s song they feel is blasphemous.
Here is the song, translated into English as it appears on the club’s website.

Look, you are wrong. Why are you demonizing Islam? Islam does not support terrorism. There are many Muslim-majority countries that are dysfunctional, and many terrorists who are confused, angry, and misguided people, claim Islam as their religion. But why look at them and associate Islam with them? Why not look at Muslim countries that are nice, traditional, yet modern, like Qatar, the UAE, modern Saudi Arabia, and the Arabian Gulf?
Islam is the way of life that our Creator (Allah) has designed for us, and if you know the true Islam, you know that killing innocent people in any way is not justified, and suicide bombing is completely prohibited. The Saudi Arabian Islamic Scholars have ruled it absolutely prohibited, so any Saudi who does so acts against his country, and his religion.
The Arabian Gulf is a perfect example of Arab achievement, especially in the last 30 years, and remember that the tallest tower in the world is in an Arabic Islamic country, the United Arab Emirates!
I am a proud Arab and a proud Muslim, I love my people, I love my God, and nothing will ever change that. Life without Islam is pointless, but I respect non-Muslims.

“and many terrorists who are confused, angry, and misguided people, claim Islam as their religion. But why look at them and associate Islam with them? “

Erm correct me if I am wrong, but the reason they are associated with islam, is because it is in the name of islam that they commit their atrocities. They use the koran as motivation and at the same justification to do their crimes.

“you know that killing innocent people in any way is not justified”

As Anjem Choudary, a prominent islamist put it: “only muslims are innocent”. This is in line with koranic teaching, and thus gives you the opportunity to decieve us westerners with a distorted view of what makes an innocent victim. Those who are educated know that muslims only see fellow muslims as innocents, but the majority see innocent people as the general population. A play on words as far as you and I are concerned, and a very clever one at that. As far as you’re concerned, every single free westerner is fair game to be harmed or killed, and as far as they’re concerned they have nothing to worry about if they deem themselves innocent. Talk about lure people to their death, you fucking bastards….

God the judge and creator of the universe wants all of mankind to take responsibility for our actions.That means Israel who provokes God to anger and has Gay parades in Jerusalem God’s holy sanctified city and 50,000 abortions a year(murder).Let’s all starting with me personally start with the man in the mirror.

Its quite sad that these people have come to such lengths, and sitting behind your desks writing silly stories to insult islam on the internet in such ways. this is what you have resorted to. i actually feel sympathy towards you. But this is good this shows how much you non-belivers really fear. You fear that maybe its time the truth is going to be told. Islam is undoubtably the worlds fastest growing religion in the world. an yes u non-believers have evry right to fear, because it will be you who will pay the consiquences for your actions in the life after, but you still have time open your eyes and relise the truth is there islam is the path. its not an ideology its not a myth its a way of life. The only way of life.

Why do you not feel resentment and anger, when Muslims support people like Osama bin Laden and President Bashir from Sudan, praising them and praying for their wellbeing?

Where is your critique when muslim women are being stoned and lashed? Will you boycot your hajj then? Just to show your anger towards the saudi establishment?

Where is your voice of criticism when Muslim women both in the West and East are denied basic rights because they are considered inferior in the name of religion such as one women’s testimony being half of a man, unequal right to inheritance, right to be beaten if she is rebellious, the lack of right to a divorce on equal terms as the man? A man can say “i divorce you” 3 times and be done. Yet a woman can not. She has to go through the courts and involuntary intermediation proceedings and all the while she is told that Divorce is the most heinous of things in the world?

Where is your anger, when women in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan are forced to act and dress in a certain way again in the name of Islam and Allah?

Are you equally saddened and angered when apostates or religious minorities in muslimj countries are persecuted mercilessly and apostates just murdered in cold blood?

Can we expect that you also write on such blogs/websites or just angry letters to the various authorities and embassies?

Or is it in fact just you sitting behind your computer screen appalled by the truth revealed and instead of examing where this criticism emenates from, you rather arrogantly claim that you know the only right way to live life.

You make assumptions. Not every critic of Islam is a non-believer. Some are actually muslims. Some are apostates.

Maybe instead of living this life you live in denial, maybe just maybe you should read up on Islam. Rather than wasting your time writing useless and arrogant comments on a blog. You are nothing by hypocritical and arrogant and ignorant of Islam.

The critics get their inspiration and ammunition from you. Your faith. Islam. Islamic sources and references mainly the Quran and the hadith. Maybe you should devote your time to reading the hadith which are in several volumes and then we will talk!

As for Islam being the fastest growing religion – really could the fact that many girlfriends of muslim mean feeling forced to convert in order to get their man or the fact that muslims tend to have many children (often) anything to do with it?

I don’t hate islam. But I hate the suppression of any human being. Woman, man, child irrespective of race, ethnicity, religion or lack of or other.

Your rant just shows that your imaan is weak. Or else a true believer would not feel threatened or insulted especially when you believe there is no truth to it.

though I am not “proudtobemuslim”, I will happily answer from my perspective, whom is also a Muslim.

I certainly feel anger when those radical Muslims support people like Osama bin Laden and President Bashir from Sudan, but I know as most people do that they are radicals.

I along with most Muslim nations constantly critique those few countries that still allow women to be stoned and lashed, and I know that they are only a few and the pressure is for them to stop it. I like most Muslims would not be so foolilsh to accept the logic of a non-Muslim to simply “boycot your hajj then”, considering that the Pilgramige is beyond politics.

My existance and support for my own family and its values, respecting women’s rights is the best method to stop those radicals that treat women with cultural and tribal sexism that is not Islamic. Like most people in the world who actually read and learn, I am aware quickly these old non-Islamic regional customs are being destroyed and that most Muslim countries in fact do not have them, as also Shari’a Law is not in most.

I am certainly angry when I see women forced to put on clothes and forced to dress in styles that are cultural and not actually set in the Holy Qur’an and I feel dismay and pitty for those societies, but I am heartened by the fact that they are a minority in Islam and though modesty is proscribed in Islam, that it is possible for women to have the right to chose their dress, wear a hijab if they want and reject the cultural sexist burqa and viel.

As a fellow human being, I am outraged by religous and cultural minorities are targetted in any country, be they in Muslim ones or not and I am like most people in this world actually aware that it happens everywhere and not just by Muslims.

Though I am not the poster you have targetted, I wish to point out that I am dismayed at the strength of accussations and targetting of Islam in contexts that are incorrect and agenda-based so that implications are made that only Islam and Muslims are committing barbarious acts in this world. I also am astounded at the ignorance and lack of knowledge when the information is easily gained in the various sources – bringing to question the motivation and reasoning behind such questions and words as yours.

The inference that “ex-Muslims” would question as you have done shows without a doubt the malicious intentions, because a Muslim would know what is real and what is not. An ex-Muslim whom is honest with themselves will simply condemn acts by those that are radical, perhaps even bitterly condemn and complain how the radicals have destroyed thier particular society (depending on where they come from) and an ex-Muslim with integrity and not some “score to settle” against those whom hurt them – would simply say I am no longer a Muslim because simply put – I do not believe.

It is your own ranting that shows a naive “hate” even if you deny it. I also condemn any group, community or organisation or philosophy that makes one group, person or gender better than others and I know Islam does not do that, but certainly many, many Muslims do.

Human…
Debate of believes already been on earth since forever…
Can any human learn????
It’s only going to bring pain to debate about differences..
We’re only human..
When we born we didn’t bring anything to this earth
When we live we consume earth to die
When we die we’re going back to earth with nothing

Having seen Islam close up in Saudi it noteworty that no dissimulation on their part will convince anyone that this is the religion of peace. It is a mindless religion practiced to 7th century standards.. Any westerner that believes their garbage is a total sucker. Europe will eventually revolt, rise up and throw these barbarians out. The problems in France are merely a portent of what will happen when these savages are told they are offended by uneducated Imams.
I was in the UK when the Satanic Verses had their turbans on fire. The Bradford muslims did not understand the book, and even less understanding was evidenced by Khomeini, who did a fatwah against the author. The whole outrage was a monument to stupidity. Douglas Hurd put an end to the idiots threatening murder by threatening to send them back to the caves they came from… Where is Mr Hurd, or his equal today? The British conquered most of the world at one time, but where is the testicles to throw out these idiots?

since of 14 centuries ago islam ghrowing up to be a bigger populations in world,and he ever conquested human civilization when western is uncivilized.bombing and angry from moslems are our resistance to keep our faith and our life from your genocide to moslems as what as happened in palestina,irak,afghan,philipine and many other countries.western never give freedom for moslems whereever and whenever there are,moslems only stand up waiting to be killed by you.but moslems always give freedom for minority to live as what as happened in malaysia,indonesia and many other moslem countries.who started the war?,moslems are already to be died for our faith,we’ll come to you with loving to die as you love to live

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 5 â€” Police have arrested 16 people including Human Rights Party leader P. Uthayakumar as they were attempting to march from Masjed Jamek to Dataran Merdeka here tonight for a candlelight vigil protesting last week’s cow-head demonstration by Section 23 residents in Shah Alam.

Authorities had closed off access to the square to prevent the group of about 50 demonstrators from carrying out the vigil.

The group first gathered near Central Market at about 7.30 pm and made their way towards the Masjid Jamek LRT station where they started lighting candles and distributing placards to supporters.

The placards read “Threat and insulting the religion of others is condoned by the government, where is justice?” and “Umno must repent”.

The group’s message echoed those of Pakatan Rakyat leaders, who believe the racially charged cow- head protest was instigated by Umno, the dominant party in the ruling Barisan Nasional.

As they marched towards Dataran Merdeka, Uthayakumar and Hindraf coordinator S. Jayathas led the march with songs as others followed them.

All 16 were later taken to the Dang Wangi police station to have their statement taken.

In a statement from his London base, Waytha Moorthy said he was appalled by the arrests, saying it was a deliberate and calculated attempt to target the main leaders of Hindraf so that the planned candle vigil would be foiled.

“Those vigil participants were going with candles and roses when they were arrested. PM Najib’s 1 Malaysia is a shame to all democracy-loving Malaysians.

“It is ridiculous that the Muslim extremist cow head protesters – with blood still dripping from the head – who behaved in violent manner, delivered fiery speeches promoting racial hatred and insulted Hindus were given full police protection whilst Hindraf supporters who were armed with unlit candles and roses were violently arrested, bundled and taken into police lock ups,” said Waytha Moorthy who lives in self-exile.

He branded the government and police as fascists who did not have any respect for the Federal Constitution, which provides for freedom of assembly, equality and freedom of religion.

In last week’s protest in Shah Alam, around 50 residents from Section 23 marched towards the Selangor state secretariat building after Friday prayers to protest the planned relocation of a Hindu temple to their housing area.

The protesters brandished a severed cow’s head during the protest, which was observed by the police. No arrests were made then or since.

Today, Selangor mentri besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim announced the relocation will now be temporarily put on hold, following an abortive Shah Alam town hall meeting called this morning to discuss the growing controversy.

I have spent many days reading through your most excellent website and finally downloaded your picture. I now know who you are because a cousin of mine is related to his eminence Sheik Hussan bin Abdullah more commonly known as Ali Musthaveafag and I don’t think it had anything to do with smoking cigarettes!

The things which u have done in this website is very shameful.
This is not good, u are all who dose this things, u r all people like pigs, u ediots. and i am going to take a big action on it. and 500000 lakhs Muslims are with me at this time.

This article contains some harsh words for those who choose to follow the path of violence. However, I find it necessary to use a harsh tone – which departs from my normal writing style – in order to confront those people who take up arms with the purpose of bringing death to numerous people and reducing societies to ruin.

When I wrote about al-Qaeda, some of my dear friends took exception to my doing so, warning me that I would be the brunt of libel and attacks upon my honor, or worse. However, I replied that the situation required that we speak clearly and frankly, and it does not matter what people will say.

I have persistently called upon our sincere scholars and preachers – and continue to call upon them – to describe things by their proper names, and to disassociate the word “jihÄd” (a word rich in meaning which is found in our sacred texts) form the activities of those killing organizations which murder innocent people and undermine security in societies around the world – regardless of whether those societies are Muslim or non-Muslim – since carrying out atrocities and targeting civilians is categorically forbidden in Islam.

Today, I must stress how important it is for us to condemn the abominable and criminal acts being perpetrated around the world in Islam’s name and which are being misrepresented as “jihÄd”. We must expose those acts and the people who carry them out by calling them what they really are, whether their perpetrators refer to themselves as al-Qaeda, or a jihad organization, or a militant organization or an “Islamic state”. It is not enough to give vague indications and make ambiguous general statements.

At the same time, I must stress that it is the right of every country in the world to defend itself against external aggression and to carry out resistance against an invader or occupying power. This is an international right acknowledged by all nations. Nevertheless, carrying out such legitimate resistance neither justifies nor excuses the targeting of civilians and innocents, regardless of where they are.

It is not enough that we speak up. Things have gone farther than that. A crisis has rent the intellectual and cultural fabric of our society. Therefore, I appeal to myself and to my fellow preachers to condemn this great evil in the clearest and most unambiguous terms, an evil which is causing bloodshed, destroying society, and blackening Islam’s good name. It is also hampering our development, bringing ruin to our countries, inciting transgression against human life, while violating both the tenets of Islam and the dictates of basic human values.

Therefore, we must take care not to confuse our message by discussing other wrongdoings at the same time we discuss this matter, tying them in with each other. Some ignorant people might claim that we are justifying those atrocities or seeking an excuse for them. Indeed, we should not bring up the question of terrorist attacks when we discussing social and political issues, or the media, and say: “This is the cause of that. Avoid these mistakes so as not to give cause for extremism…” This is not a good way to address the matter. It could make some of those people feel, when they see things they dislike, that they have an excuse to perpetrate acts of violence. We need to make a clear distinction between issues, and take care how we speak, so as not to unwittingly have a negative impact upon such people.

We should be wary of how we use the words “but” and “however”, words which can lead some young people to fall into misunderstandings, as if what we are saying has many angles to it which can be interpreted in various ways.

The problem we are addressing is one of blind civil strife, where “every time it seems to come to an end, it just goes on” as the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said in an authentic tradition describing the tribulations of the Last Days. The onus of quelling this strife and exposing how it violates Islamic teachings falls upon the sincere scholars and preachers of Islam who do not fear the censure of others and who feel no hesitation in calling a crime a crime, regardless of the consequences.

I do not care if some people who dislike what I say are going to accuse me of working for this or that interest group, or of being a “government stooge”. I call Allah to witness for what I say. My condemnation of terror stems from my religious faith and my firm convictions. No one has any sway over my beliefs. I am neither for nor against the governments. Regardless of the consequences, I am against deviance, destructive behavior, and acts of atrocity in general, and especially when those acts are perpetrated in the name of religion. I make my position plain.

I do not care if my opponents insist on making false accusations against me. I say what I mean, loudly and clearly. These are my religious beliefs, which I have not changed and which have not been any different in the past. However, there is a more pressing need today than at any previous time to reiterate those beliefs and announce them all the more forcefully. Indeed, ever since the outbreak of these violent acts, speaking out against them has become a religious, educational and moral imperative for anyone who cares about the future of Islam, our country, the generations to come, and preserving what little stability is left in the Muslim world.

That which is happening in Somalia and elsewhere is a heartbreaking tragedy. Everything is being laid to waste and people are killing each other over the ruins – all in Islam’s name. People have being killed by the droves, without pause, even in the month of Ramadan.

I declare that Allah does not make right the deeds of those who perpetrate atrocities. Nor does He bring the plots of the deceivers to right guidance. Those who, in the name of Islam, kill innocents – and very often they happen to be Muslims – or who claim that by doing so they are upholding Islamic teachings, they will not succeed and they will not set things right. Rather, they will face Allah’s punishment and become a warning to others unless they repent beforehand.

Al-Qaeda is not what it was before September 11. It has turned into a media phenomenon with many people claiming the name merely for its symbolic value, mobilizing the youth under its umbrella. In this way, the strategy has changed, the evil has shaken loose from its reins and become like shrapnel all over the place, possessing a regional character but making a global noise. Al-Qaeda has become like a trademark that anyone can get hold of and carry out their activities in its name. It is no longer a cohesive organization with strong ties between its leaders and followers.

I call upon those who still make excuses and hesitate when they speak to think about the judgment they will face when they will stand before Allah. They should not let the oppressive acts of governments or their policies – like what took place in Algeria – or the embargoes that governments impose upon them, cause them to be unjust. The heavens and the Earth are only set aright by justice.

The merciful thing to do is to tell those young people who have been deceived, and those who are set to join their ranks tomorrow, that: “This path you are taking is not going to bring you to your goal. It will not save you from Hell or earn you Paradise. Whoever wants success in this life, salvation in the next, and Allah’s pleasure should adhere to the true teachings of Islam and keep far away from bloodshed and strife. Do not attempt to reinterpret the faith so as to justify acts that are clearly and patently evil. In the boldness with which you commit such mortal sins, you engage in crimes far worse in Allah’s estimation than those whom you purport to condemn.”

This should be the message that parents give to their families, that mothers teach their children, that teachers impart to their students, and that preachers address to their congregations. The condemnation of terror should not be connected with any official campaign, media drive, or salaried work. Rather, it should come from an inner sense of religious duty, from our obligation to raise the next generation correctly and to call people to what is right. It should be carried out with the intention of fostering reconciliation in society and building bridges between ourselves and those who disagree with us, which can be achieved on the basis of our shared concern to safeguard our faith and our worldly lives. In our thinking, we need to get beyond defending our individual interests and look to the general good and to the future. Our concern should be for society: its common folk and its leaders, its rich and its poor, those who are righteous and those who are sinners. All of these people are part of our society, and we must share a sense of loyalty with them all.

When we talk about this issue, which is of the utmost seriousness, we must not mix it up with talk about other things. Those other matters might very well be equally important, or more important, or less. In any case, those issues can be addressed on other occasions.

In all earnest, I call upon our young people to discuss this matter both in person and on the Internet, to uncover the reasons why some people have sympathies for such activities and organizations and how to remedy the causes for those sympathies. I call upon them to hold fast to the clear and explicit teachings of Islam, as set forth in the Qur’an and Sunnah, which warn against sowing dissention, killing, and murder. Indeed, this was one of the last exhortations that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) made to his followers at the end of his life, on the occasion of his final pilgrimage.

Some sick-minded people have started talking about assassinations as if they were a tradition established by the Prophet. This is more than a misunderstanding – it is delusional. Did the Prophet permit the execution of the leaders of Quraysh in Mecca when they sought to stamp out the Muslims in their midst? No. Or the leaders of the traitorous hypocrites in Madinah when the sought to undermine the nascent Muslim community? No. Did he call for executing the leaders of the Jews when there was a covenant between them? No. Did he ever grant anyone the right to pass personal judgment over others and their faith and carry out punishments? No. Never did he permit such things. What chaos would have been worse than that? But this is what these people today want to reduce us to.

I assert, on the basis of certain conviction, that the people who follow that extreme path, if they ever come into power, will bring destruction and ruin to everything. Society, from its civil cohesion, to its family integrity, to its agriculture, would waste away. Those people would foster civil strife and suffer for it in turn. This is because they have deviated from the straight path. They have no understanding of Islamic teachings and the wisdom behind those teachings. They are ignorant of the natural laws that Allah has placed in His creation. Therefore, they will never be successful and never find divine support. That is for certain, as anyone who has understanding can see. Nevertheless, those people are quite successful in spreading chaos and confusion. They are good at misleading the simple-minded and causing discord, and they are given support in this whenever we are silent, mince our words, or withhold judgment.

May the peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, who brought the clear message and established the clear proof. And praise be to Allah, the Lord of All the Worlds.

A true religion is Islam only as it teaches a Power control not only earth and complete universe and peace in human being. The muslims are good(not all).
A person can blame any religion by doing so many manipulation.even he can prepare his own mother a bitch if he decide. The same thing happen in this site.The Quran to undertsnd and analyse it self take time for Muftis who comple this education and still have so many clarifiacations and fatwas.I dont understand the person who created all this STANIC Verseses is understand and explained as per Quranic verses.
A only a religion understand all religion as One(start from Adam to Md.prophet) and all have a single god.

I dont thing you undersatnd the Quran and Mahummed insted of wasting your time and preparing for heven.
Can you tell me who is your dad. you can’t so you did created this site and MD. pictures.
I hope you forgive and comeout from hell.Reliase the God is One that is muslims call as Allah and the path shown by Mahummed prophet.

Islamlic operatives and apologists try to paint all critics as “Islamophobes” and “McCarthyites” and seldom respond to specific charges. To these apostles of pre-emptive forgiveness, Islam is just another exotic religion, and we can all live together in peace and friendship if we will only put away the fears and slanders propagated by the “merchants of hate.”

The problem is that the principal “merchant of hate” in the modern world is Islam and the global jihad, not those who are sounding the alarm.

@sheik – the response from mohammedans is truely repulsive, in an ideal world the whole lot of them would be put under arrest, at the very least for hate-speech, and hopefully go to prison for the death threats.

I literally spend hours fuming with rage, wondering how all this bile and filth aimed at our citizens on a daily basis is tolerated by those who have imposed political correctness upon us. It’s a one way street, only whites can be racist, only whites can offend. In the schools, on television, we’re taught that whites are the only people capable of committing atrocities, any other race is excused because of poverty, or the insurmountable racism of the white man, or some other crap made to excuse the fact that they are usually third world savages… basically they have an excuse to be as brutal as fuck towards us!

Remember that anywhere there are moslems in great numbers, your life is forfeit if they find any reason to suspect you for insulting the prophet or even just rejecting islam.

Violence was once dealt with almost instantly, but now……pffft, I could wipe my arse on the houses of parliament with a bomb strapped to me while shouting “allahu snackbar” and still be given a council house…..

As a Muslim i dennounce any terrorist act against civilians and innocents.There is no verse on Quran nor the prophet Mohamed saying that support this crime and this biggest major sin . This who writes against muslims with his emotional speeches and rhetoric and has no firm basis of the Quran and Sunnah, should know that the prophet Mohamed forbids killing innocents by saying
Do not kill any man far advanced in years, nor a child, a baby, or a woman.

In the Farewell Pilgrimage, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, declared the principle that people’s lives, property, and honor are inviolable until the Day of Judgment. This ruling is not restricted to Muslims; rather, it includes non-Muslims .
According to another hadith, the Prophet once said, “By God, he is not a believer, by God, he is not a believer, by God, he is not a believer, with whom his neighbors are not secure.”
In the holy QURAN,God says
[Quran 49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.

Therefore, the religion of Islam (Submission), advocates freedom, peace and mutual agreement and admonishes aggression. The following verses make it very clear.

The relations of Muslims (Submitters) with others are based primarily on peace, mutual respect and trust. The theme in the Quran is peace, unless there is oppression or injustice that cannot be resolved by all the peaceful means available.

As for jihad is concerned,
fighting without the permission of the legal elected ruler is a transgression against his rights and over stepping the mark. If it were permissible for the people to fight without the permission of the ruler, that would lead to chaos.Moreover, pledging allegiance to him
Bay’ah can only be given by the decision makers – i.e., the scholars and people of virtue and status. Once they give their allegiance to him, his position of leadership is confirmed, and the common folk do not have to give allegiance to him themselves, rather they have to obey him .
The Prophet forbidden taking arms against the rulers and revolting against them even if they were unjust as long as long as they established prayers. He said this in order to prevent great corruption and evil that could emanate from taking arms against them.
He also said
Whoever rebels against my Ummah and fights the righteous and unrighteous of them, does not avoid its believers and does not fulfill his obligation to whom he has a contract, then they are not from me and I am not from them . [Muslim 1848] .

Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur’an. Nowhere in the Qur’an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in ‘payback’ for another people’s alleged crimes.

ll of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur’an are in this context. There are some specific verses that are very often “snipped” out of context, either by those trying to malign the faith, or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.

But who is this referring to? Who are “they” that this verse discusses?

The preceding and following verses give the correct context:

“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression”
(2:190193).
for God loves those who are just.”

These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Khubaib bin Adi. These would be classified as ‘terrorist activities’ according to the modern usage of the term. So what does this verse say in this context? “Fight in the cause of God those who fight you”, “unless they (first) fight you there” – the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear: “But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” And it also makes clear the purpose for what Muslims fight: “fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”. It is the duty of Muslims to defend humanity from oppression and persecution and to establish justice. Muslims believe that God has placed us here on earth as his deputy or viceroy, and thus, it is our duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, to establish peace and justice in the land. Dr. Maher Hathout writes the following on verses 2:190-194:

These verses were applicable to a particular situation or if, hypothetically, the same situation was to be repeated? Historically, fighting back against the aggressors was prohibited during the thirteen years of the Meccan period. After the migration to Medina and the establishment of the Islamic state, Muslims were concerned with how to defend themselves against aggression from their enemies. The aforementioned verses were revealed to enable them to protect the newly formed state by fighting in self-defence against those who fought them. However, the Qur’an clearly prohibits aggression. The verses explain that fighting is only for self-defence. Thus, a Muslim cannot commit aggression and kill innocent men, women, children, the sick, the elderly, monks, priests, or those who do not wish to fight. A Muslim is also mandated not to destroy plant life of livestock. (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, p.49, emphasis added)
The historical context is something that must always be considered where developing an understanding of Qur’anic verses. Without knowing the circumstances behind the revelation, one cannot apply the verse as accurately.
Anyone who examines the groups that have deviated from the Straight Path will see that they have confused the people by quoting a verse or a hadeeth out of context.
Therefore,
We as muslim stand united against all kinds of terrorism, as only through unity will we be able to eradicate terrorists and bring them to justice. We only serve the terrorists’ cause by name-calling and false accusations of everyone who happens to be a TRUE God-fearing Muslim.

let conclude with this pact
This is the protection which the servant of God, ‘Umar, the Ruler of the Believers has granted to the people of Eiliya [Jerusalem]. The protection is for their lives and properties, their churches and crosses, their sick and healthy and for all their coreligionists. Their churches shall not be used for habitation, nor shall they be demolished, nor shall any injury be done to them or to their compounds, or to their crosses, nor shall their properties be injured in any way. There shall be no compulsion for these people in the matter of religion, nor shall any of them suffer any injury on account of religion… Whatever is written herein is under the covenant of God and the responsibility of His Messenger, of the Caliphs and of the believers, and shall hold good as long as they pay Jizya [the tax for their defense] imposed on them.”

Those non-Muslims who took part in defense together with the Muslims were exempted from paying Jizya, and when the Muslims had to retreat from a city whose non-Muslim citizens had paid this tax for their defense, the tax was returned to the non-Muslims. The old, the poor and the disabled of Muslims and non-Muslims alike were provided for from the public treasury and from the Zakat funds

knowing about islam should be taken from reliable muslim scholars.Moreover, The Methodologies for the study of hadith have been developed over centuries by Islamic scholars and jurists and are commonly referred to as the science of hadith study. Verification of hadith as reliable, and the use of hadith to verify or disavow Islamic practice, is left to Ulama, or Islamic scholars, with a deep understanding of Islamic jurisprudence and history.
Since Islamic legal scholars were utilizing hadith as an adjunct to the Qur’an in their development of the Islamic legal system, it became critically important to have reliable collections of hadith. While the early collections of hadith often contained hadith that were of questionable origin, gradually collections of authenticated hadith called sahih (lit. true, correct) were compiled. Such collections were made possible by the development of the science of hadith criticism, a science at the basis of which was a critical analysis of the chain of (oral) transmission (isnad) of the hadith going all the way back to Muhammad. The two most highly respected collections of hadith are the authenticated collections the Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. (Sahih literally means “correct, true, valid, or sound.”) In addition to these, four other collections came to be well-respected, although not to the degree of Bukhari and Muslim’s sahih collections. These four other collections are the Sunan of Tirmidhi, Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, and Abu Da’ud. Together these four and the two sahih collections are called the “six books” (al-kutub al-sitta). Two other important collections, in particular, are the Muwatta of Ibn Malik, the founder of the Maliki school of law, and the Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, the founder of the Hanbali school of law.

If you read this blog carefully, you will find that we rely on Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, on the Koran and on Islamic scholars. We also monitor the daily atrocities and we are aware of the 1400 years of relentless jihad warfare against the world.

You damn right; Islam means SUBMISSION. SUBMISSION is a beautiful attribute and beneficial to Muslims. If you become an apostate from Islam, and no longer wish to believe in, or participate in Islamic crimes, you must SUBMIT to the fact that you can be legally murdered by Islam by stoning, hanging, or by having your head chopped off. No exceptions.

When a macho male Muslim sex pervert wishes to divorce one or more of his many “wives,” actually one of the many whores, the “wife” or “wives” that are put away must SUBMIT and then slink away in humiliation after the Muslim sex pervert says “I divorce you” three times.

Muslim women must SUBMIT and cover their whole bodies with Muslim floppy rags. That will help depraved and uncontrolled Muslim male sex perverts from being tempted with carnal desires. You know how it is with depraved Muslim male sex perverts who are always thinking of those 72 virgins and 28 prepubescent little queers who are waiting for Muslim queers who murder in Allah’s cause. So yes, Muslim women must SUBMIT and cover their bodies from head to toe. Remember, it’s the woman’s fault if she exposes her anke or forearm to uncontrolled, sex craved Muslim male sex perverts, and get raped as a result. When Muslim women fail in covering their bodies, uncontrolled Muslim sex perverts SUBMIT to their carnal desires and rape them. This is further proof that Islam means SUBMISSION.

Women of Islam must SUBMIT and admit that Muslim males are superior in intelligence. No exceptions since the paedophile, child molester, diaper chaser, sex maniac, wife beater, slave owner, murderer, adulterer, whoremonger, polygamist, false prophet, Muhammad has spoken. Little girls, as young as seven years old, must SUBMIT to depraved, uncontrolled, Muslim male sex perverts and “marry” these depraved old Muslim male creatures. And then the female child must SUBMIT to these depraved Muslim male sex perverts and get raped legally, even if the child screams and pleads for mercy. She must SUBMIT to fulfill her Islamic vow. It pleases the Muslim god, Satan, the Muslims call him Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. You damn right, the little girl must spread her little legs and SUBMIT and fulfill her Islamic duty. The false prophet Muhammad raped Aisha when she was nine years old, so his followers may also force little girls to SUBMIT to an Islamic ritual. You damn right. All this SUBMITTING by little girls is what makes Islam, the religion of peace so beautiful. Wives must also SUBMIT to the whims of their husbands. If they don’t SUBMIT, they must SUBMIT to a good drubbing by their sadistic Muslim husbands to keep them straight. You damn right; wives must SUBMIT to Islam. Concubines must also SUBMIT and give their bodies to depraved Islamic husbands. They can’t fight back. If they do, they,too, must SUBMIT to an Islamic beating.

Infidels must SUBMIT to superior Muslims, and to Islam, the religion of peace. If infidels don’t SUBMIT, Islam has a right to murder them unless infidels SUBMIT to pay the Jizya tax. Paying the Jizya tax gives the infidels the right to live among the Muslims of Islam, the religion of peace.

Little girls must SUBMIT and have their clitoris chopped off with a piece of glass or a dull Muslim knife. How can infidels be so touchy about this Islamic ritual? You infidels must SUBMIT to this Islamic ritual because it pleases the Muslim god Satan, the Muslims usually call him Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. You infidels must SUBMIT to the fact that the Muslim bloodthirsty Allah, the god of hatred, pain, cruelty, violence, death and destruction is pleased with these atrocities. Infidels must also SUBMIT to the fact that Allah is superior to the infidel God of Love, the True God, the God of the Ten Commandments.

Wives must SUBMIT and be stoned until dead if they’re caught cheating on their whoremongering husbands. Wives must also SUBMIT and be punished severely if they are raped by a band of lecherous male Muslim sex perverts usually by stoning. That will teach the women not to commit adultery. Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate demands this punishment.

If a hungry Muslim is caught stealing a loaf of bread, he must SUBMIT and have his feet or hands chopped off. If the hungry Muslim persists and steals another loaf of bread, he must SUBMIT to have his eyes gouged out. This punishment, too, pleases Allah, the Merciful the Compassionate. The Muslim god Satan, the Muslims call him Allah, demands these “just” punishments.

If a Muslim girls is raped by a bunch of Muslim savages, she must SUBMIT to receive at least 100 lashes. If the Muslim girl protests and makes the chauvinist Muslim judge angry, she must SUBMIT to 200 lashes. If the Muslim girl continues to protest, she might have to SUBMIT to be stoned to death. Gays must SUBMIT to be hanged by the neck until dead even if they are not practicing queers.

If girls don’t wear their Muslim rags on their heads, they must SUBMIT and be punished until dead by their fathers, brothers and/or uncles. This is called “honor killing” by the religion of peace. This ritual is performed to keep the religion of peace, Islam, pure and intact. Honor comes first in the Muslim family. Honor is worth more than life itself in the perfect Islamic religion. You damn right; Islam, the religion of peace means SUBMISSION.

As a christian i really hate the article which was posted by sheikyermami about muslim’s prophet. and qouted wrong words from Bukhari and quran.

As i studied i know that Muhammad first married Khadeja and she was widow and she was 40 years old and Mohammad was 25 in this time.

You know becuase of this laying which not just sheikyermami said i am reading in Internet a lot of non-muslims posting lays regarding ISLAM so i am planing to accept ISLAM because it is really peace full religion.

I reqeust all the people who want to know read the Quran and Hadith of Mohammad then Decide.

Because of your laying our own Christian attacked on Pop in Chris Mess. if you are really want to know the truth and want salvation then please visit : http://www.irf.net or watch Peace TV.

When i studied the history of our Churchs and Christians like Adolf Hitlor who killed just 6 Million Jews. Bush Killed iragis, somalies, Afghanis. and even American Citizen in 9/11. there is no proof that this attack was happen by Muslims, and it was inside job of American government and CIA, FBI…. i am really confused with this act of our Christians.

You know why i want to accept ISLAM, becuase when i read the Bible there is ilogical things writen in it in some places contradictions in some places it says Jesus dos’nt have father in some places it says he got a lot of fathers.

Please see the bellow refrences from bible where it says realy bad things and give moral to Chrichians to do it. thats why we faced in America, Europ… INCEST Cases which is really shame to our Christians Society christians faith.

“INCEST: “Sexual intercourse between two persons who are too closely related.” (New Collins Dictionary). For example, between father and daughter, son and mother, father-in-law and daughter-in-law, brother and sister, etc. INCEST IN GOD’S BOOK (?) BETWEEN A FATHER AND HIS DAUGHTERS: (a) “That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him … “The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let’s get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him … “In this way both of Lot’s daughters became PREGNANT by their father. ” GENESIS 19:33-35 (From the “Good News Bible- In Today’s English”). In the older Versions, like the King James and the Roman Catholic Versions, “SEXUAL INTERCOURSE” is vaguely described as “COLLECTING THE SEED OF OUR FATHER.” INCEST BETWEEN MOTHER AND SON: (b) “While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land, Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUAL

INTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father’s concubine. GENESIS 35:22. The older Versions of the Bible, use the word, “lay” for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. INCEST BETWEEN FATHER-IN-LAW AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW: (c) “When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. “He went over to her at the side of the road and said, “ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?” (He did not know that she was his daughter-in-law) {The words in parenthesis i.e. within brackets from He did not know to daughter-in-law are not in the original Hebrew manuscripts. They are the editors g loss.}

“She said, what will you give me?” (To have sex with me) ‘He answered, I WILL SEND YOU A YOUNG GOAT FROM MY FLOCK “She said, “All right, if you will give me something to keep as a pledge until you send the ,goat. ‘ . . He gave them (the pledges) to her. Then had INTERCOURSE, and she became pregnant GENESIS 38: 15-18 (Quoted from the ”Good News Bible”). CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ”KETURAH” (the third wife of Abraham). Out of this incestuous relationship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ see Matthew 1:3; “And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar . . . INCEST AND RAPE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER (d) ” . . he took hold of her (Thamar, his sister, not to be confused with Tamar in “c” above,, and said unto her, Come lie with me (have sex with me), my sister. “And she answered him, Nay, my brother (Amnon, one of the sons of David, the man after God’s own heart) do not force me . . . “But he would not listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he overpowered her and RAPED her (his sister). ” 2 Samuel 13:5-14 WHOLESALE RAPE AND INCEST BETWEEN SON AND HIS MOTHERS! (e) So they set up a tent for Absalom (another son of King David) on the palace roof, and in the sight of everyone, Absalom went in and had INTERCOURSE with his father’s concubines ” 2 SAMUELS 16:22

“. . . In the sight of every one” is rendered in the King James Version as “in the sight of all Israel.” This is a fulfillment of God’s promise to David the King:

“Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee (David) out of thine own house, and I will take THY WIVES before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor (actually thy son) and he shall lie (have sexual intercourse) with thy wives in the sight of sun (for the whole world to watch the fun).

For thou didst it secretly (with Bath-Sheba the wife of Uriah): but I will do this thing before ALL Israel, and before the sun.” 2 Samuel 12:11-12

You can well guess where “Penthouse” and “Playboy” got their inspiration from. Wherefrom if not from the Book of Books?

(f) For other various types of incest see LEVITICUS 18:8-18. 20:11-14 and 17-21. Concubine seems synonymous to the word wife in the Bible. Look for this reference in index under “Keturah” the third wife of Abraham.”

The proof that Muslims organised 9/11 comes from internet, telephone and SW intercepts of AQ by our security people and by their own admission, intelligence gathered on the ground in Afghanistan and in Europe, and interrogations on captured terrorists. We KNOW that muslims organised and carried out the atrocity. Your ignorance in this matter in neither excusable or forgivable.

You have obviously not studied the history of the church very well, OR you appear to have not understood most of it. Do not blame the teaching of the church for the actions of Hitler – he acted on his own, for political reasons, and he did NOT use the church to justify his actions (he may have tried to initially but it backfired on him). In fact he put several church leaders into concentration camps when they started to protest his treatment of the Jewish folk and of the handicapped (well – to the shame of the church fewer spoke out against the murder of the Jews in comparison to the murder of handicapped people). Quite the opposite for muslim scum who regularly used the quran and hadiths to justify violence against non-muslims and muslims alike

The violence suffered by Afghanis is due in part to a) to islamists imported by Pakistan b) the tribal structure of their society which precludes effective central government c) the inability of the afghan people to throw violent islam out of their house d) the unwillingness of ISAF to agressively prosecute the war due to European political sensitivities e) corrupt afghan politics f) pakiland.
Somalis are killing themselves and others – no one is helping. The actions of Bush have resulted in the loss of less civilian lives than the actions of the muslim Sudanese government, the actions of muslim Hizbollah and Hamas, the actions of muslim Iran, the actions of Muslim Chechyna (remember Beslan you muslim shite). In terms of the actual conflicts that Bush instigated relatively few civilians died – the problem came in Afghanistan and Iraq when muslims decided to go killing themselves and others – then the casualty tolls rose and these deaths are a direct consequence of muslims acting like muslims. Actually islamists like you murdered over 150 in Mumbai and you dare call yourselves peacefull!!!! You are confused – why – the facts are there – but you cannot or are unwilling to understand them. Many people lost friends on the 9/11 and to have a poorly informed person like you crow out that the American government did to its own people what islamist governments have been doing to theirs for years is not only laughable – it pisses us off and that is very bad for islamists like you. Your attempt at counter propaganda is so amusing that I could laugh – go back to your mosque and lick the arse of the muslim in front of you clean – or go spend some time with your donkey. By the way – amusing that you send us a link to an islamist site – to what end??? islam has NOTHING to offer. And you are wasting both time and bandwidth.

PS the pope was not attacked, simply pushed by a person with known problems. Your logic is highly flawed!!! Religion of peace is a description that CANNOT be given to islam.

NOTE TO READERS: The use of the term “our Christians” by this muslim t___ is very interesting. It actually paints a very negative picture of the person with alias John.

John or whatever your real name is,
The proof that Muslims organised 9/11 comes from internet, telephone and SW intercepts of AQ by our security people and by their own admission, intelligence gathered on the ground in Afghanistan and in Europe, and interrogations on captured terrorists. We KNOW that muslims organised and carried out the atrocity. Your ignorance in this matter in neither excusable or forgivable. So we have a mussie precher on board – fuck off john
You have obviously not studied the history of the church very well, OR you appear to have not understood most of it. Do not blame the teaching of the church for the actions of Hitler – he acted on his own, for political reasons, and he did NOT use the church to justify his actions (he may have tried to initially but it backfired on him). In fact he put several church leaders into concentration camps when they started to protest his treatment of the Jewish folk and of the handicapped (well – to the shame of the church fewer spoke out against the murder of the Jews in comparison to the murder of handicapped people). Quite the opposite for muslim scum who regularly used the quran and hadiths to justify violence against non-muslims and muslims alike. The violence suffered by Afghanis is due in part to a) to islamists imported by Pakistan b) the tribal structure of their society which precludes effective central government c) the inability of the afghan people to throw violent islam out of their house d) the unwillingness of ISAF to agressively prosecute the war due to European political sensitivities e) corrupt afghan politics f) pakiland.
Somalis are killing themselves and others – no one is helping. The actions of Bush have resulted in the loss of less civilian lives than the actions of the muslim Sudanese government, the actions of muslim Hizbollah and Hamas, the actions of muslim Iran, the actions of Muslim Chechyna (remember Beslan you muslim shite). In terms of the actual conflicts that Bush instigated relatively few civilians died – the problem came in Afghanistan and Iraq when muslims decided to go killing themselves and others – then the casualty tolls rose and these deaths are a direct consequence of muslims acting like muslims. Actually islamists like you murdered over 150 in Mumbai and you dare call yourselves peacefull!!!! You are confused – why – the facts are there – but you cannot or are unwilling to understand them. Many people lost friends on the 9/11 and to have a poorly informed person like you crow out that the American government did to its own people what islamist governments have been doing to theirs for years is not only laughable – it pisses us off and that is very bad for islamists like you. Your attempt at counter propaganda is so amusing that I could laugh – go back to your mosque and lick the arse of the muslim in front of you clean – or go spend some time with your donkey. By the way – amusing that you send us a link to an islamist site – to what end??? islam has NOTHING to offer. And you are wasting both time and bandwidth.
PS the pope was not attacked, simply pushed by a person with known problems. Your logic is highly flawed!!! Religion of peace is a description that CANNOT be given to islam. NOTE TO READERS: The use of the term “our Christians” by this muslim t___ is very interesting. It actually paints a very negative picture of the person with alias John.

KAW,
Please understand me the Verses from Bible i gave you reffrences if i too dumb?? and please tell what morality it gives us when we read the in which this type of things mentioned.

“INCEST: “Sexual intercourse between two persons who are too closely related.” (New Collins Dictionary). For example, between father and daughter, son and mother, father-in-law and daughter-in-law, brother and sister, etc. INCEST IN GOD’S BOOK (?) BETWEEN A FATHER AND HIS DAUGHTERS: (a) “That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him … “The next day the older daughter said to her sister, I slept with him last night. now let’s get him drunk again tonight, and you sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father. So that night they got him drunk and the younger daughter had INTERCOURSE with him … “In this way both of Lot’s daughters became PREGNANT by their father. ” GENESIS 19:33-35 (From the “Good News Bible- In Today’s English”). In the older Versions, like the King James and the Roman Catholic Versions, “SEXUAL INTERCOURSE” is vaguely described as “COLLECTING THE SEED OF OUR FATHER.” INCEST BETWEEN MOTHER AND SON: (b) “While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land, Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUAL

INTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father’s concubine. GENESIS 35:22. The older Versions of the Bible, use the word, “lay” for SEXUAL INTERCOURSE. INCEST BETWEEN FATHER-IN-LAW AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW: (c) “When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. “He went over to her at the side of the road and said, “ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?” (He did not know that she was his daughter-in-law) {The words in parenthesis i.e. within brackets from He did not know to daughter-in-law are not in the original Hebrew manuscripts. They are the editors g loss.}

“She said, what will you give me?” (To have sex with me) ‘He answered, I WILL SEND YOU A YOUNG GOAT FROM MY FLOCK “She said, “All right, if you will give me something to keep as a pledge until you send the ,goat. ‘ . . He gave them (the pledges) to her. Then had INTERCOURSE, and she became pregnant GENESIS 38: 15-18 (Quoted from the ”Good News Bible”). CONCUBINE and WIFE are synonymous terms in the Bible. Look for it in the index under ”KETURAH” (the third wife of Abraham). Out of this incestuous relationship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ see Matthew 1:3; “And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar . . . INCEST AND RAPE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER (d) ” . . he took hold of her (Thamar, his sister, not to be confused with Tamar in “c” above,, and said unto her, Come lie with me (have sex with me), my sister. “And she answered him, Nay, my brother (Amnon, one of the sons of David, the man after God’s own heart) do not force me . . . “But he would not listen to her, and since he was stronger than she was, he overpowered her and RAPED her (his sister). ” 2 Samuel 13:5-14 WHOLESALE RAPE AND INCEST BETWEEN SON AND HIS MOTHERS! (e) So they set up a tent for Absalom (another son of King David) on the palace roof, and in the sight of everyone, Absalom went in and had INTERCOURSE with his father’s concubines ” 2 SAMUELS 16:22

“. . . In the sight of every one” is rendered in the King James Version as “in the sight of all Israel.” This is a fulfillment of God’s promise to David the King:

“Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee (David) out of thine own house, and I will take THY WIVES before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor (actually thy son) and he shall lie (have sexual intercourse) with thy wives in the sight of sun (for the whole world to watch the fun).

For thou didst it secretly (with Bath-Sheba the wife of Uriah): but I will do this thing before ALL Israel, and before the sun.” 2 Samuel 12:11-12

You can well guess where “Penthouse” and “Playboy” got their inspiration from. Wherefrom if not from the Book of Books?

(f) For other various types of incest see LEVITICUS 18:8-18. 20:11-14 and 17-21. Concubine seems synonymous to the word wife in the Bible. Look for this reference in index under “Keturah” the third wife of Abraham.”

John You are right. i am also getting confused when i read the BiBle and see such folish things in it, and even some time i think that this is not the word of god, because God can not say this word. and you Know John when i read the articles like Mr. sheikyermami posted in this web site which is very rude and full of emotions and lay then i am thinking our Christianity is in fall. it is not just Mr. sheikyermami wrote the articles against ISLAM if you search web you will find a lot of anti Islam Articles. but when i analyze these articles, it make me confused why our Christians posting these things. believe me some time i am thinking to Accept ISLAM.

When i watched a video clip of Shikh Yasin Khalid in which he said that American CIA and Army Mad the Aids Virus. and then i start searching for to make confirm. then i searched ” Aids virus a smoking gun” in Google i found a lot of proof which was enough for me to accept this word of Khalid Yasin.

“The proof that Muslims organised 9/11 comes from internet, telephone and SW intercepts of AQ by our security people and by their own admission, intelligence gathered on the ground in Afghanistan and in Europe, and interrogations on captured terrorists. We KNOW that muslims organised and carried out the atrocity. Your ignorance in this matter in neither excusable or forgivable. So we have a mussie precher on board – fuck off.”

If you are talking about the proof which CIA and US Governement provided is not accurate. if you are talking the Vedio in which Osama shows was fraud and he was not Osama. and i think muslims not recommanding or defending Osma becuase he doing things which i thing not allowed in Islam so i think we have not blam Islam or any other religion. but now if you see the proof in internet it shows us that it was done by Bush Administration and it was inside job.

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“You have obviously not studied the history of the church very well, OR you appear to have not understood most of it. Do not blame the teaching of the church for the actions of Hitler – he acted on his own, for political reasons, and he did NOT use the church to justify his actions (he may have tried to initially but it backfired on him).”

KAW when a Christian ( Hitler) Kills 6 million Jews it was his own act and it was for politics. now please explain me how we can blame ISLAM for act of Osama or any other terrorist. Now think CIA produces AIDS Virus to Kill black people which kills 7 million per year can we blame CIA or Christianity. for proof visit the address:

Hope it will give you and our other Christian brother to decide what is going on. you know because the media is in our ( Christians and Jews ) hand and that is way ISLAM is bad religion, it is my point of view.
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“the violence suffered by Afghanis is due in part to a) to islamists imported by Pakistan b) the tribal structure of their society which precludes effective central government c) the inability of the afghan people to throw violent islam out of their house d) the unwillingness of ISAF to agressively prosecute the war due to European political sensitivities e) corrupt afghan politics f) pakiland.”

I Remember when Russia attacked Afghnistan the CIA and US Government support the Same Islamist and you know the OSAMA is also our Christians production. you know this time CIA send Osama to afghanistan to fight against russia when Afghanistan defeated Russia by help of US CIA then CIA plan to make Al-Qaida and give the leadership to Osama. the what the CIA says Osama doing that and when Osama did US Army can go there, like Afghanistan, IRAQ and killing more then 200000 Innocent civilian Iraqi and afghani peoples by name Democracy. you know what is the Name of Osama with CIA Tim Osman.

Bush attacked IRAQ by name Biological Weapons, tell me how many weapons did US Army discover after killing 90000 Iragi People and more then 9000 our Christiane Army ( US Army) killed in IRAQ. now you will say i wrong to tell 9000 US Army Killed in Iraq becuase you and readers watch CNN, BBC. Fox, ABC…. but please ask US Army department for reall deaths. my question is for what A Christian ( W.Bush) Kills this much peoples???? i am asking you Sick KAW and sheikyermami . but please don’t tell me in Answer “wasting both time and bandwidth” please do not say this words if you have answers. if you have answers and that satisfy me then i can change my plan of accepting ISLAM.

Look Mr. sheikyermami i blieve on logic and proof please see the following proofs that Mohammad is mentioned in Bible and we Muslim and Christian are same peoples Jessus peace be upon him was preaching ISLAM and Mohammad was preaching same. so if you respect to Jesuse you have to respect Mohammad as well and don’t note make his cartoon if you are true believer of the Bible.

please see some of the proofs in Holy Bible regarding Mohammad:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel”.

1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur’an 3:42-47]

ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36).

v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, “He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”

iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

“And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.”

“His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem.”

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur’an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

“And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!’ ”

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.

“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).

4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

Look Mr. sheikyermami as i mentioned in previous submission that we Muslims and Christiane are same people ( Religions). see i will give you some proofs which will prove you the Similarities between ISLAM and Christianity :

Al-Qur’an 3:64
Al-Qur’an 20:25-28
Greet you in the same manner as Jesus (pbuh) greeted in Hebrew Luke 24:36
‘Sholam alay kum’
or Islamic greeting in Arabic Assalaamu alai kum
both meaning ‘Peace be on you’.

INTRODUCTION

Similarities / Similar Teachings in the Qur’an and the Bible which Muslims follow but Christians don’t

I) ISLAM

1. Definition

A. Meaning of Islam
(i) Islam is derived from the word salaam meaning peace.
(ii) Submission to the Will of Allah (swt) i.e. God Almighty.

B. Meaning of ‘Muslim’ – One who submits his will to Allah.
C. Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

2. Messengers in Islam

A. (i) To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur’an 35:24
Al-Qur’an 13:7

(ii) 25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur’an
(iii) Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)
(iv) Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur’an
Al-Qur’an 4:164
Al-Qur’an 40:78

(v) More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith

B. (i) Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.
(ii) Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.
(iii) Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur’an 3:49
Mathew 10:5-6
Mathew 15:24
(iv) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the
Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur’an 33:40
Al-Qur’an 21:107
Al-Qur’an 34:28
Sahih Bukhari Vol.1 Book of Salaah Chapter 56 Hadith No. 429
(v) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Al-Qur’an 7:157
Al-Qur’an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14

3. Revelations of God

A. Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur’an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.

B. (i) The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.
(ii) All previous Revelations before Qur’an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period
(iii) The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind
Al-Qur’an 14:1
Al-Qur’an 14:52
Al-Qur’an 2:185
Al-Qur’an 39:41

C. If every human being gives Zakaah, not a single person will die of hunger.
D. “Wealth does not circulate only amongst the wealthy and the rich”
Al-Qur’an 59:7

E. I Peter 4:8

4. Saum – Fasting

A. Description – one lunar month i.e. during the month of Ramadaan every lunar year, Muslims fast, i.e. abstain from food and drinks from sunrise till sunset.
B. Benefits: learn self restraint. If you can control your hunger you can control almost all your desires. It enhances spiritual awareness.
Al-Qur’an 2:183

A. Description – Pilgrimage atleast once in life time if you can afford it
B. Universal Brotherhood – 2.5 million people from all over the world gather, wear two pieces of unsewn cloth, preferably white. Cannot differentiate between rich and poor.
Al-Qur’an 49:13

C. Significance of Kaaba – Muslims don’t worship it
Psalms 84:4-7

III ) ISLAM IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE

These five pillars do not constitute complete Islam. Only if the pillars are strong, will the structure be strong.
1. Humans Created to Worship Allah

F. In short, every Muslim should follow all the Commandments of Allah (swt) and His Messenger Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and abstain from the things they have prohibited.
CONCLUSION

(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves).
(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) said, “not my will but thy will be done.” i.e. Muslim.
John 5:30
(c) Al-Qur’an 5:82

Abdullah, no matter how much information you provide, the only thing that people judge anyone by, is the above quote.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
Look at the terror Muslims commit in the name of Allah.

If you judge what a person is doing because of his Religious then please consider Hitler, W. Bush………… read your Church’s history how many peoples killed by them. believe me if you have count it you will know the people who killed by Muslim is not 25% of the Christians.

See what the CIA and other christian Intelligence organization doing making Aids Virus which kills more then 7 Million people every year. See US Security Companies ( Black Water) trains Terrriost and they blast in Muslim Mosques and give the name of ISLAM. so i request you do not belive what CNN, BBC, Fox, AP , Reuters…. says if you realy want to know what ISLAM is Read the Quran and Hadith.

(i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).

(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.

II) Concept of God in Christianity:

1. Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

(v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]

2. The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]

3. God Sent Jesus’ (pbuh)

The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

(i)”… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.”
[The Bible, John 14:24]

(ii)”And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”
[The Bible, John 17:3]

4. Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity

Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

“And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’

And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ ”
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]
Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

5. Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God

The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.”

[The Bible, Acts 2:22]

6. The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:

“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”

This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:

“Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.

Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
III) Concept of God in Testament:

1. God is One

The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

Abdullah,
You clearly don’t understand the bible – rather amusing really. So please don’t try and explain it!!! Islam is not a religion – it is a violent and nasty virus. Muslims do have significant hold on the media – which is why the numerous and murderous attacks by muslims are not usually reported. Even now the media are treating scum like Anjem Choudhury with kid gloves. There are no wise and apt islamic messages, expect perhaps for the brain-dead muslims like yourself who have been trained from birth not to think. I find the conversation with “John” rather amusing. “John” is clearly a muslim and it seems that Abdullah and John are trying a little “conversion” game here. “John”

“John”, I suspect hails from a madrassa in India, and it is a muslim. “John” and Abdullah – islam has nothing for us and we reject it, and we reject you. And play your silly silly conversion game somewhere else – you both are liars and you are fooling no one!!! Now go away you stinking muslim shite (SMS).

Isnt it amusing having two SMS twirps (John, Abdullah) with single digit IQ’s lecturing us.

I Well come you to Religion of Peace ( ISLAM). you know ISLAM is the first religion which people accepting in the World most of them are Women if it was not the religion of peace why people accepting ISLAM.

You Know to confused the Muslim and None Muslims Christian Missionaries will ask you the following Questions:

TEN MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AGAINST ISLAM:

1. QUR’AN PLAGIARIZED FROM THE BIBLE:

Question

Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qur’an from the Bible?

Answer
Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.

i.MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN
Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qur’an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge – the Qur’an says in Surah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103:

“We know indeed that they say, ‘It is a man that teaches him,’ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.”
[Al-Qur’an 16:103]

How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur’an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare.

ii. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA – THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)
Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’an.

3. PROPHET’S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.

4.THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA
All historical records available show that Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:

At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madinah.

Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria.

At the age of 25 he led Khadija’s Caravan to Syria.

It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.

5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
The day-to-day life of the Prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.

The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them – more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.

The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar – they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.

It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’an.

6. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE

The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.

Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48

“And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.”
[Al-Qur’an 29:48]

Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.

Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:

“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel”

The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.

“And the book is delivered to him that is not learned.”
[Isaiah 29:12]

The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.

7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT
The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. – more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. – about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.

8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE
Similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source – the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.

It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.

The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.

If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.

9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR’AN
Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur’an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an.

Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh).
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh).
Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
‘Al-Qur’an’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).

It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.

The Qur’an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.

Another name for the Qur’an is the ‘The Furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.

10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE
If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.

Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.

When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.

Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.

Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.

Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?

If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.

The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night”.

Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.

11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO
As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:

1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today
These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.

There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
The Qur’an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible – what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.

12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD
The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.

This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.

It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur’an.

13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS

The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:

“This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!”
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II’s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

This verse of the Qur’an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’, and confessed that the author of the Qur’an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.

14. QUR’AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH
These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur’an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur’an is the Furqaan – ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.

The Qur’an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3

Alif Laam Meem.

(This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds.

Or do they say, ‘He has forged it’? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.”
[Al-Qur’an 32:1-3]

7. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARY AND MIRIAM

Question

It is mentioned in your Qur’an that Mary was the sister of Aaron (pbuh). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who wrote the Qur’an did not know the difference between Miriam the sister of Aaron (pbuh) and Mary the Mother of Jesus (pbuh), the time span between both of them was about a thousand years.

Answer

1. IN THE SEMITIC LANGUAGES SISTER ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verses 27-28

“At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!’”
[Al-Qur’an 19:27-28]

Christian missionaries say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus (pbuh) and Miriam the sister of Aaron (pbuh). The time span between both was more than a thousand years.

In the Arabic construction of the sentence, sister is also considered as a descendant. Thus, when the people said to Mary, Ukhta Haroon i.e. ‘sister of Aaron’ it actually means descendant of Aaron (pbuh).

2. SON ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT
It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter 1 verse 1

“Jesus Christ, the son of David,….”.
[Mathew 1:1]

Gospel of Luke Chapter 3, verse 23

“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, …..”
[Luke 3:23]

DID JESUS (PBUH) HAVE TWO FATHERS?

What do you call a person who has two fathers? The explanation of the phrase that Jesus (pbuh) was the son of David (pbuh), is that Jesus (pbuh) was a descendant of David (pbuh). ‘Son’, here means a descendant.

8. JESUS (PBUH) DID NOT DIE

Question

Is it not true that your Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verse 33 that Jesus (pbuh) died and was resurrected?

Answer

JESUS (PBUH) SAID, “THE DAY THAT I DIE”, NOT “THE DAY THAT I DIED”

It is mentioned in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verse 33

“So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die and the Day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”.
[Al-Qur’an 19:33]

The Qur’an mentions that Jesus (pbuh) said “Peace is on me the Day I was born, the day that I die”. It is not stated “the day that I died”. It is in the future tense and not in the past tense.

“That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Jesus Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ – But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not –

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in Power, Wise.”
[Al-Qur’an 4:157-158]

9. JESUS IS “A WORD” OF ALLAH AND A “SPIRIT” FROM ALLAH

Question

Does not your Qur’an mention that Jesus is Kalimatullah –”The Word of Allah (swt)”, as well as Ruhullah – “The Spirit of Allah”, indicating his Divinity?

Answer

1. JESUS (PBUH) “IS A WORD FROM ALLAH” NOT “THE WORD OF ALLAH”

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Ali ‘Imran Chapter 3 verse 45

“Behold! The angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah.
[Al-Qur’an 3:45]

Jesus (pbuh) is referred in the Qur’an as a word from Allah and not as ‘the word of Allah’.

“A word” of Allah means a message of Allah. If a person is referred to as “a word” from Allah, it means that he is a Messenger or a Prophet of Allah.

2.THE TITLE OF A PROPHET (PBUH) DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THAT PROPHET (PBUH)

Different titles are given to different prophets (pbut). Whenever a title is given to a prophet (pbuh), it does not necessarily mean that the other prophets do not have the same characteristic or quality. For e.g. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Khaleelullah, a friend of Allah. This does not indicate that all the other Prophets (pbuh) were not the friends of Allah. Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kaleemullah, indicating that God spoke to him. This does not mean that God did not speak to others. Similarly when Jesus (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah, “a word from Allah”, it does not mean that the other Prophets were not “the word,” of Allah.

3. JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED “A WORD” OF ALLAH
Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah i.e. a word of Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39

“There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: “O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!

While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: “Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous.”
[Al-Qur’an 3:39]

4. JESUS (PBUH) REFERRED AS RUHULLAH – A SPIRIT OF ALLAH

Jesus (pbuh) also never referred to as Ruhullah “a spirit of Allah” but as a spirit from Allah in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 171

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”
[Al-Qur’an 4:171]

5. SPIRIT OF ALLAH IS BREATHED IN EVERY HUMAN BEING
A spirit from Allah does not indicate that Jesus (pbuh) is God. The Qur’an mentions in several places that Allah breathed into the human beings “His Spirit” in Surah Al-Hijr, chapter 15 verse 29 in Surah Sajdah, chapter 32 verse 9

Surah Al Hijr Chapter 15 verse 29

“When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.”
[Al-Qur’an 15:29]

Surah Sajdah Chapter 32 verse 9

“But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!”
[Al-Qur’an 32:9]

10. IS NOT THE QUR’AN WRITTEN BY SATAN?

Question

The Qur’an is not the Word of God but on the contrary the handiwork of Satan.

Answer

In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed:

Surah Waqiah, chapter 56 verses 77-80

“That this is indeed
A Qur’an most honourable,

In a Book well-guarded,

Which none shall touch
But those who are clean:

A Revelation from the Lord
Of the Worlds.”

Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen. i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.

Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur’an does not arise.

It is further mentioned in Surah Shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212

“No evil ones have brought
Down this (Revelation):

It would neither suit them
Nor would they be able (To produce it).

Indeed they have been removed
Far from even (a chance of)
Hearing it.”

Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.

If satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98

Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; “Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?”

There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Qur’an.

In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200

“If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).

Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.

In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168

“O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy.”

In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60

“Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;

for that he was to you an enemy avowed?”

Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not satan’s word.

The Bible mentions in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26

“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand.”

“And if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand.”

“And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.”

This site has to be the best on the WWW. The one frustration I have, is, what can we do collectively to stop this cancer from taking our heritage!!!!! I know how bad islam is, but action is needed not talking!!!

If you judge what a person is doing because of his Religious then please consider Hitler, W. Bush…………”

Nice ‘Cut & Paste’ of a rambling comparison of Islam and Christianity, which talks of the world view of Islam, Abdullah, but…. this comment here shows your low level of understanding and expression. Belief in your conspiracy theories doesn’t mean they are true.
Facts, Abdullah, facts, please.

My point, again, is comparing ACTIONS to their word, written another way.
My point about Islam is that it talks about peace but asks its members to kill. What sort of cult is that? Christianity doesn’t do that.

I have just sat through a movie called “The Seige”, starring Bruce Willis and Denzil Washington. It was terrific. Appropriately, it’s about Islamic terror cells and how they blow up people in America. Of course we win.
The climate, now, has already advanced way past that. We are in far more deadly times and our response is far more deadly.
Not long now, Addullah, until our civilisation deals with your cult.
Not long now.
Stop talking about religion. None of us buy it.

Abdully (spelling intended) and John are two muslims trying to pretend that one of them is a Christian converting to the religion of Child Abuse. In fact, they may be the same person – this is suggested by analysis of their “emails”. Folks – please sign petition against Auburn mosque – again the muslim enemy is trying to destroy an Australian heritage site – see “another day – another mosque”

kaw
I sympathize with you, but TELL your government to LEARN to distinguish between muslim and Christian immigrants to Australia. Had they done this long ago, another Australian heritage site would have been spared by now. As much as I hate to say it, it’s too late.

” KAW when a Christian ( Hitler) Kills 6 million Jews it was his own act and it was for politics. now please explain me how we can blame ISLAM for act of Osama or any other terrorist. Now think CIA produces AIDS Virus to Kill black people which kills 7 million per year can we blame CIA or Christianity. for proof visit the address:”

Rubbish. Firstly Islamists use their religion to justify murder. Yes there are murderers of all faiths but ONLY MUSLIMS USE ISLAM TO JUSTIFY MURDER!!! Would you like a list of where muslims have justified murder using islam????

Now the joke about AIDS – actually we suspect that it has been in parts of Africa for a long time – we don’t know its natural host and we are trying to beat it for all people – you muslims are contributing nothing to this by the way. Your claim, and what you quote, that AIDS is a manufactured weapon, is absolute rubbish. Actually, if the West did want to kill using biological weapons we would use another method, because AIDS is a highly inefficient short and long term weapon and all long term costs of the illness are being bourne by the west. We are some time away from a cure, but rest assured that the west did not infect anyone with this virus. Another fantasy delusion from a muslim – rather common these days.

Abdullah January 4, 2010 at 10:54 am
Abdullah,i just watched your comment rapidly…i only want to know which planet are you coming from? Are you living inside a Asylum and you have access to the “Internet”…..of course muslim countrys are some kind of Asylum “oriental style’…..I told you that because you looks totaly Alien to any mental health……..

NoLaughingMatter
Am doing this on a regular basis – Letters to KRUDD and Co – but one or two people is not enough – more need to write and often!! And it is NEVER to late – sincere apologies to JEH – I was rather harsh in a previous mail but I have had it with people saying it is too late – it is just more difficult – that is all.
You have some valuable things to say so please don’t let my careless comment stop that. But I will say this again – it is NEVER to late.

regards
Keith

PS Abdully – Your camel is taking you to court for sexual deviancy. Never take the words of a prophet literally!!!!

I like your fighting spirit, Kaw. Keep it cool, but stay determined. The Western world as we know it is about to change forever – your leaders’ eyes have been blinded to the eminent danger that looms ahead. The cancer has spread and any major open surgery will bring a quick death to the patient.

You ragheads are somethin else….of course I would feel deprived if all I had access to were my sheep and goats…pour fellers…..not you, the goats I mean.

Well….us cowboys grew up playing cowboys and indians…and it looks like we need to start playin cowboys and ragheads….what fun…course y’all might be asked to take a bath a little more often…then we will let the vultures have ya…cuz y’all are all chickenshit.

Abdullah, I have one question for you. Where are you going when you die?

I will give you the answer,

It is not your business when a perosn die where he go, because of you sick and Materialist people don’t believe on Death. you just enjoy your life by doing sex with women and girls even you don’t believe on Bible.
so don’t worry who die and where go. but remember it is Nature of human one day they will die and you are a human god knows when you will die or we die.

You know it is Nature of human when he sees injustice for long time he become psychological sick and react so the person who react it was a human reaction in Ft. Hood now the media and sick people like you will says it was by Muslims and by name of ISLAM which is every time did by media and it is job of media to propagand against ISLAM, believe me if the injustice continues the reaction will be more and more and our Christiane people will die every day by our own Christiane peoples. hope it will stop.

you ARE a muslim idiot. You just described a muslim with your diatribe – IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOME THING THEN KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE TOPIC.

YES JOHN WE WILL ALL DIE – BUT WE TRY AND LEAVE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE WHEN WE GO – WHICH IS WHAT YOU MUSLIMS DO NOT DO!!!

And please use your muslim name – a muslim like you using the name John is an insult to all people who are, and were called John What in the world is your major problem with sex – it is only one component of our existence but it seems to be everything for you – as I said – you sound like a muslim pervert.
Are you really as stupid as your last email indicates??????

John
Are you really as stupid as your emails suggest? Sex is only one component of life. It is not everything and your hangup with it is very amusing, We all die and we usually try to make things better for others before we we leave. DO YOU????

An observation: Muslims are the most selfish people one can meet – they have no concept of society and all they do is to satisfy a perverted set of rules so that they believe they will be rewarded. And that is the equation – you people do every thing for yourselves only – for a reward – you have no concept of sacrifice for others unless of course you are rewarded after death. Well many of us non-muslims sacrifice something or a lot for no reward but only so that others can benefit or survive – you will never understand that you selfish little twit.

You are wasting peoples time – go back to the mosque you idiot.
You are simple proof of how backward most muslims really are.

You know it is Nature of human when he sees injustice for long time he become psychological sick and react so the person who react it was a human reaction in Ft. Hood now the media and sick people like you will says it was by Muslims and by name of ISLAM which is every time did by media and it is job of media to propagand against ISLAM, believe me if the injustice continues the reaction will be more and more and our Christiane people will die every day by our own Christiane peoples. hope it will stop.

John,
You are a waste of space. Why are you so hung up about sex – it is only one part of being human and that is all you can concentrate on. Actually muslims are the only group that behave in the way you suggest – just ask the millions of women who have been murdered by muslim males in the last cenury. Go back to your madrassa and give your imman a blow job – maybe you wont have to lick his butt clean tomorrow.

I don’t know how i should start the writing……. because the matter on your website is totally non-sense. we can say that people like you are responsible for today’s worst condition of our planet earth. if you don’t know about religion then why you are wasting your time. if you are funded by any devil than you should know that one day you will die…. and God will ask about what you are doing today. so please study the religions comparetively and then decide what is wrong and right. plz study like a human not with the eyes of muslim or christian or jew.

You need to study all religions, not comparatively but, in their entireties. This way you gain the essence of each clearly. Each of us has a different way of expression but a single view about Islam, after a lot of research, here, there and everywhere else.
The Sheik’s site is unique for its acceptance of a forthright range of views. You should view it for a while because you clearly have not understood it.
Its humour is particularly appreciated by me because it helps to deal with the issues we learn about. Otherwise we might bury our heads in the sand, for the ugliness.

If Islam is not a good religion and according to your propaganda if Muslims are terrorists then why hundreds of christians are embracing Islam everyday?
You do not have any answer……
Study the Islam, you will love Islam.
Islam is a religion of humanity, truth and peace.
Read the history.
Open you mind.
Spread peace and love.
You cannot kill billions of Muslims.
Leave the “road of hate”.
Join the “road of peace and love”
I was a christian but know, thanks God, I am Muslim.
I again want to say that “read the history and Islam with neutral mind and heart”.

We have! We Have! We have!
That is why we know it as the ‘religion of hate, war and death.

Taqiyya, Jusaf John, taqiyya! I do not believe anything you say from your first point. You were never a Christian.
The fact is many, many Muslims are secretly converting to Christianity and other faiths, to get out of Islam, because of the terrorism. They are sick of it. If any do, it is because your horrible Imans are forcing them via your Islamic police. What sort of religion is that? NOT ONE! It is a sick cult! Only 20% of your guys go to the mosques! All these are facts!
Please look some up before you write on sites like this.

Shall we pup up a tote to remind you, John, of how many people are murdered on a weekly basis by muslims becaue they are not muslims. islam is NOT a religion of peace – go and practise your lies elsewhere.

Why is it that when a muslim murders 14, the muslim community say “No – it wasn’t our fault”. Well John, you just threatened us in your Ft. Hood comment!! If you muslims really want us to declare open war on you, then keep on inventing pathetic excuses for crimes commited by Muslims and keep trying to avoid the responsibility for your actions. As I said before , you are an idiot and I doubt if your IQ is larger that a single digit.

O mr. Dhumme Dhimmi,
Cooool , Cooooooooooooooooooool,
You are totally unaware of current affairs and the scenario of current world. you are seeing dreams in daylight.
As you said that Islam spread through “police”, you are totally wrong. which ‘police’ convert billions of Asian pacific budhists and christians to Islam?
which ‘police’ convert billions of Africans to Islam?
What crusaders did with thousands of Muslims, when they conquered Jerusalem ? …………………Do you know?
What Salah-ud-din ayubi did with thousands of Christians and Jews when he conquered the Jerusalem?……………. You know?
You know……………. Mr. Dhumme Dhimmi………….?
……………. Really, if you want to know the history of Jehad, then just read the history of Crusad Wars by a Christian writer, Lane pol.
……………….
Do you know about the condition of women before Islam? Read the history, O Mr. ………… again i want to say that read the history… you will get the truth. plz read the history.
I want to let you know that more people are embracing Islam then ever. Your drama of 9/11 has been failed. Just read the statistics of today’s christians who convert to Islam.

You are a liar Yusuf John
Almost none converts to islam you stupid and idiotic islamic troll. However, the converse is true. Folks Yusuf John is a typical muslim – stupid and dishonest – he says that red is black and hopes he can convince you if he says it long enough. Again yusuf john – ALMOST NO ONE CONVERTS TO OSLAM!!! AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TRY TO LEAVE ISLAM OR LEAVE IT!!!

In last post the word OSLAM is a play on 9/11 and the perverted philosophy called islam. Wonder if john understoods it. Sheik can you send out the headers for this twit. Guess what john – twenty people converted from islam in the last 10 minutes . no one decided to become a muslim – the ration is 20/0 which is infinite – so by your logic an infinite number of people wish to leave islam and no one want to join. We all see mohammed for the pervert that is it. No get lost you little troll. BUT FIRST TO ANSWER YOU QUESTIONS.

>You are totally unaware of current affairs and the scenario of current world. >you are seeing dreams in daylight.
NO – YOU ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE.

<As you said that Islam spread through “police”, you are totally wrong. which <‘police’ convert billions of Asian pacific budhists and christians to Islam?
<which ‘police’ convert billions of Africans to Islam?
DD never said this – but it is well known and documented that islam is propogated through violence and force – very few join voluntarily. muslims are violent scum – you threaten our pacific friends are you will be screwing camels in allahs used camed lot very quikly you muslim pervert.

<What crusaders did with thousands of Muslims, when they conquered <Jerusalem ? …………………Do you know?
killed them – a good move – pest removal.

<What Salah-ud-din ayubi did with thousands of Christians and Jews when he <conquered the Jerusalem?……………. You know?
killed them when they didnt convert – murder

<……………. Really, if you want to know the history of Jehad, then just read <the history of Crusad Wars by a Christian writer, Lane pol.

We all acknowledge that the Crusades were brutal however Christians grew up – muslims scum never did and cannot. Muslims remain trapped in the mires of the past and the frustrations of dreams they can never hope to achieve

<Do you know about the condition of women before Islam? Read the history, <O Mr. ………… again i want to say that read the history… you will get the <ruth. plz read the history.

Yes – Woman were not slaves before mohammed (the pervert) – under mohammed (may piss and puss be upon its name) they were not freed – they were enslaved so that preverted little loosers like you john could rape with immunity. islam is no friend of woman kind. Why dont you take your advice and read the truth, you miserable idiot,

<I want to let you know that more people are embracing Islam then ever. <Your drama of 9/11 has been failed. Just read the statistics of today’s <christians who

As before – muslims murdered 3000+ in 9/11 and very few convert to islam. You are a liar. Again Sheik – can you post the emaiil headers for this twit.

O Mr. Kaw………….. why u are going so hot….. your language tells the readers that what you are. ………
this is the language of christians? Ha ha ha ha
What a language? ………. you words tells the readers that ‘abuse’ is your religion and ‘killing’ is your faith.
you wrote that killing a human is good…. shame for you.

As you are propogating that muslims are terrorists and killing humans, then would you like to let me know that
1- Who was Hitler, killed millions of jews, …………….he was muslim or christian?
2- Who was Stalin, killed millions of christians, muslims, jews and Buddhists,…………..he was muslim or christian?
3- Who was mesoleni, Muslim or christian?
4- Who were Karadzic and Milsovich, killed and rape thousands of people in Bosnia including Croatian Christians ? …………………. were they Muslim or christian?
5- Who is bush, which is killing millions of innocent humans in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan? ………………he is muslim or christian?
If Hitlor, Bush, Stalin, Mesolini, Cradzic & milosovich are christians, then would you like to let me know that “this is jesus christ (peace be upon him) religion?
If you want to convert me back to Christianity then please answer these questions ?
I would like to say again that read the history and write truth.
As you said that the western people hate Islam then I would like to quote one example that “the ambassador of Italy embrace islam after one day of 9/11. …. Another important thing i want to let you know that according to western statistics, women of west is more interested in Islam.

If you want a dialogue, then choose a topic then we will try to discover the truth and lies, don’t run ‘here’ and ‘there’.

The difference, YJ, between the people you have named and your prophet is this: While these men were politicians who committed attrocities based on their political convictions, your prophet and his henchmen killed and masacared people in the name of Allah. Do you see the difference? Hitler, Stalin, and the others did NOT do what they did because God told them to do it. These men, like your Mohammad were inherently evil. Your Mohammad was a terrorist, and his followers today kill people in exactly the same fashion as their beloved “prophet”.

Mr. nolaughingmatter,
I red your comments. A bunch of lies and hate.
I mentioned in my last post that if you want to discuss something then choose a topic. don’t abuse any person or religion.
Mr. nolaughingmatter ! you are not human, you are just an evil and son of devil.
If you don’t have knowledge then why you are wasting your time.
‘Abuse’ and ‘killing’ is your religion and your words are proving this.
If you have proof then put it. you are sitting in a cave. if you are brave, then come out , the people will see the decision.
Don’t act like illiterates……………..
Prove what you said in your comments.

john (Islam is Great) January 16, 2010 at 7:46 am, there is always a BUT…!

Just when you have to produce something, Yusaf John [Muslim/Christian].

You certainly were busy while I was away.

Answer the questions directly. Not in the Islamic way. Twisting and turning and attacking the other person. [tsk tsk tsk].

We tell you we have learnt about your horrible cult. We tell your points are fallacious. You compare incomparable points. Then twist it and attack the other person.

The evidence does not support anything you say. Yes, there is a lot of jihad happening lately, BUT…how far is it getting Islam. Nowhere actually. Beneath the noise the West is waking up to your mess of a cult and turning you back in every country.
A few months ago I thought Islam was a Religion of Peace [Please forgive me Sheik for writing that].
THANKS TO THE SHEIK, I, AND MOST VICTORIANS NO LONGER BELIEVE IT.
GAMES UP BUDDY!

Now all we have to do is remove you from our countries and return you to your Paradises.

The non-Muslim verdict on Muhummed (PBUH)
If a man like Muhammad were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.

George Bernard Shaw
People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.

Professor Jules Masserman
Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.

Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith
Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.

John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D.,
( A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330 )
In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world.

John Austin,
( “Muhammad the Prophet of Allah,” in T.P. ‘s and Cassel’s Weekly for 24th September 1927. )
Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

Lamartine,
( Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727 )
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty
Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them,
a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.

Annie Besant,
( The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4 )
Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.

Encyclopedia Britannica
I have studied him – the wonderful man – and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.

George Bernard Shaw
( in “The Genuine Islam” )
By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion.
…………….
Now what you think about these Christian scholars ?
I think you are not more literate than these christian scholars…..
Read with neutral and open eyes.

[The non-Muslim verdict on Muhummed (PBUH)
If a man like Muhammad were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.]

The sort of thing Antichrist will do, in his time:

[Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.] (Part of the prophecy of Daniel 8)

<O Mr. Kaw………….. why u are going so hot….. your language tells the <readers that what you are. ………
<his is the language of christians?

No, my language tell you that you are wasting peoples time – you are an idiot – nothing more and nothing less. You are a contemptible muslim liar and you are simply being treated as such.

<What a language? ………. you words tells the readers that ‘abuse’ is your <religion and ‘killing’ is your faith.

No – you cannot understand English – what you imply was never said or written. Perhaps this is an example of "self-projection" on your part.

<you wrote that killing a human is good…. shame for you.

No – I wrote that killing a muslim parasite is good – islamists are not human.

<As you are propogating that muslims are terrorists and killing humans, then <would you like to let me know that
<1- Who was Hitler, killed millions of jews, …………….he was muslim or <christian?

Irrelevant – He did not kill in the name of Chritianity. muslims murder often in the name of their pig prophet.

<2- Who was Stalin, killed millions of christians, muslims, jews and <Buddhists,…………..he was muslim or christian?
Again irrelevant – he did not kill in the name of Christianity. See above,

<3- Who was mesoleni, Muslim or christian?
again irrelevant – and you cannot even spell the name you silly muslim fool.
See above.

<4- Who were Karadzic and Milsovich, killed and rape thousands of people in <Bosnia including Croatian Christians ? …………………. were they Muslim <or christian?
again irrelevant!! See above. Additionally it now appears that many of the alleged atrocities were fabricated.

<5- Who is bush, which is killing millions of innocent humans in Iraq, <Afghanistan and Pakistan? ………………he is muslim or christian?

millions have not been killed in these places and allmost all dearths are due
to muslims killing muslims. Also see above. You have offered no examples of mass murder of the Christian religion in this and the last century because there are none. Certainly in the period between 1000 and 1800 there are examples but Christianity grew up – and islam remain rooted in the belief system and morals of a 6th century pervert called mohammed the sex criminal. muslims murder and rape regularly in the name of mohammed the child molester and rapist – well that is what he was.

<If Hitlor, Bush, Stalin, Mesolini, Cradzic & milosovich are christians, then <would you like to let me know that “this is jesus christ (peace be upon him) <religion?

again irrelevant . these people commited crimes but these were not commited in the name of their religion. EVERY MUSLIM CRIME IS COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. For example: Dafur, Sudan, Somalia, Chechyna, Kashmir, Dagestan, Southern Thailand, Southern Phillipines, Mumbai, London, Paris, Amsertam, Moscow, New York City, Chad … to name a few places where muslims are currently murdering in the name of the pig prophet.

<If you want to convert me back to Christianity then please answer these <questions ?

You never were a Christian and, quite frankly, you are too stupid to be one.

<I would like to say again that read the history and write truth.

We have, you silly muslim. We can tell you what history is recorded and what it means, and what are the implications for the future than can be deduced from what has passed before. You cannot – and it is pretty clear that you have understood little or nothing. From your pathetic arguments it is clear that you have a very limited understanding. There is no point in having a serious argument with you – you are simply too stupid.

<As you said that the western people hate Islam then I would like to quote one <example that “the ambassador of Italy embrace islam after one day of 9/11. <…. Another important thing i want to let you know that according to <western statistics, women of west is more interested in Islam.

Where did you get this myth about the Italian ambassador – and in which country was he stationed?!!! t I suspect that this is a symptom of your diseased imagination. Inventing statistics. Show me the source you silly muslim – and I can shown plenty of other sources which show that most people, men and women, find islam repugnant and revolting. There is no mass conversion to islam and there never will be, except in your own feeble imagination.

<If you want a dialogue, then choose a topic then we will try to discover the <truth and lies, don’t run ‘here’ and ‘there’.

I dont want a dialogue with you – firstly you are not intelligent, secondly you are a liar. You offer little argument, and all argument that you offer is based on concepts and ideas that you have tried to understand but failed miserable.
Despite atetmpts by others to open your eyes you are incapable of responding in an intelligent fashion. You are the only person running "here and there" – we see the same arguments from you – none of these arguments hold – this has been explained to you but you are simply too dishonest or too stupid to understand. John, you never were a Christian – you are a lying muslim. It is clear that you do not understand Christianity, it is clear that you are incapable of interpreting current events, and it is clear that you are simply another brain dead islamic donkey. You have not even tried answer questions that others have set you – simple reversion to fallacious argument that has been often disproved is no answer but that is the only mode of answer that you seem capable of. No one is running here from you – do keep on writing – it will be interesting to see if you are dumber that you appear to be. Actually , you really are a waste of space.

The burden of proof is on you, John. It is YOU who has to prove your claims to be true.

Listen to me and listen good. Size, or the number of adherents of ANY religion is not a sign of appeasement. In simple words, it does not mean that God approves of you or of your religion if you number 1 billion – and are still growing.

Again I ask you to consider the life and teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ – and to think of this one probablitiy that you might just be dead wrong.

We now consider the statement of Jules Masserman. My comments are capitalized.
—————————————————————————–
Leaders must fulfill three functions-
1: Provide for the well-being of the led.
(KAW: The key word here is “well-being of the led”. This implies, in some sense, that the led are incapable of looking after themselves – a situation reminiscent of islam where people effectively cannot function without instruction from a book whose authority is questionable and whose interpretation is open. Pasteur and Salk did NOT provide leadership of this form, although their work benefited all, muslims included. The leadership provided by Salk and Pasteur was scientific. Masserman has made a huge and invalid assumption is equating the work of science to the social definition he has provided. Even under the loosest terms his generalization cannot be accepted. An important point is that his definition implies that only the led are to get benefits of the leadership. What of those who are not lead? Masserman’s definition explicitly excludes those who are “non-lead” from “being provided for”. Again Salk and all scientists worked and work for all peoples. islam, however considers non-muslims as something less than human and as a group to be destroyed. As such and within the very narrow confines of the definition provided by Masserman, a psychopath like mohammed who murdered all those who simply believed in another concept of religion is a leader. Thankfully, the modern world recognizes such leaders as the criminals they are. However with the narrow definition provided by Masserman (and this is the point that the idiotic muslims who regularly quote this cannot comprehend) muhammed was a great leader. I suspect that many idiotic muslims will think this is praise for the pedophile – it isn’t.)

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party. However, many societies are secure without resorting to the extreme measure that islamists or nazis have had to resort to. It is interesting that the first goal of the islamists is to try and destroy the perceived security of the culture that they are trying to invade. There are numerous examples in history – I shall dig out some references and post them later. In short, this attribute of leadership is again not necessarily an attribute of humanity. The definition is ambiguous and both evil and good can fit the satisfy the description. )

3: Provide them with one set of beliefs.

(KAW: Provide does not mean enforce – another point islamists seem unable to comprehend. islam destroys all other beliefs. It is interesting why Masserman makes the statement that a great leader should provide one set of beliefs. In one sense he is correct – a great leader should have a well defined and easily understood concept of what he wishes to achieve. In another sense he is quite wrong – a great leader should encourage diversity. creativity, originality and understanding. The truth lies usually lies somewhere between these mutually exclusive concepts – islam however cannot encourage creativity except within a very narrow range.

People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense.
(KAW: This is an inconstent argument – see (1) above)

People like Gandhi and Confucious. On one hand, and Alexander,
Caesar and Hitler on the other. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone.Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Muhammad (PBUH) who combined all three functions.
(KAW: Again I stress the definition provides a very narrow range of leadership types. If you want such a leader then Ghengis Khan, Hilter, Stalin, mohammed are good choices for you. All of these choices do not offer a long term stable society and that is also a weakness of Masserman’s thesis)

(KAW: Summary –
The claim is true within a very narrow definition of leadership that is satisfied also satisfied by people who wold be considered mass-murderers today – Ghengis Khan, muhammed the chid molester and others. The conclusion is that this statement is not a statement of support for islam – rather a statement that mohammed (may camel puss drip on his node forever) satisfied the criterion specified by Masserman. )

(KAW: Summary –
The claim is true within a very narrow definition of leadership that is satisfied also satisfied by people who wold be considered mass-murderers today – Ghengis Khan, muhammed the chid molester and others. The conclusion is that this statement is not a statement of support for islam – rather a statement that mohammed (may camel puss drip on his node forever) satisfied the criterion specified by Masserman. )

We now consider the statement of Jules Masserman. My comments are capitalized.
—————————————————————————–
Leaders must fulfill three functions-
1: Provide for the well-being of the led.
(KAW: The key word here is “well-being of the led”. This implies, in some sense, that the led are incapable of looking after themselves – a situation reminiscent of islam where people effectively cannot function without instruction from a book whose authority is questionable and whose interpretation is open. Pasteur and Salk did NOT provide leadership of this form, although their work benefited all, muslims included. The leadership provided by Salk and Pasteur was scientific. Masserman has made a huge and invalid assumption is equating the work of science to the social definition he has provided. Even under the loosest terms his generalization cannot be accepted. An important point is that his definition implies that only the led are to get benefits of the leadership. What of those who are not lead? Masserman’s definition explicitly excludes those who are “non-lead” from “being provided for”. Again Salk and all scientists worked and work for all peoples. islam, however considers non-muslims as something less than human and as a group to be destroyed. As such and within the very narrow confines of the definition provided by Masserman, a psychopath like mohammed who murdered all those who simply believed in another concept of religion is a leader. Thankfully, the modern world recognizes such leaders as the criminals they are. However with the narrow definition provided by Masserman (and this is the point that the idiotic muslims who regularly quote this cannot comprehend) muhammed was a great leader. I suspect that many idiotic muslims will think this is praise for the pedophile – it isn’t.)

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party. However, many societies are secure without resorting to the extreme measure that islamists or nazis have had to resort to. It is interesting that the first goal of the islamists is to try and destroy the perceived security of the culture that they are trying to invade. There are numerous examples in history – I shall dig out some references and post them later. In short, this attribute of leadership is again not necessarily an attribute of humanity. The definition is ambiguous and both evil and good can fit the satisfy the description. )

3: Provide them with one set of beliefs.

(KAW: Provide does not mean enforce – another point islamists seem unable to comprehend. islam destroys all other beliefs. It is interesting why Masserman makes the statement that a great leader should provide one set of beliefs. In one sense he is correct – a great leader should have a well defined and easily understood concept of what he wishes to achieve. In another sense he is quite wrong – a great leader should encourage diversity. creativity, originality and understanding. The truth lies usually lies somewhere between these mutually exclusive concepts – islam however cannot encourage creativity except within a very narrow range.

People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense.
(KAW: This is an inconstent argument – see (1) above)

People like Gandhi and Confucious. On one hand, and Alexander,
Caesar and Hitler on the other. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone.Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Muhammad (PBUH) who combined all three functions.
(KAW: Again I stress the definition provides a very narrow range of leadership types. If you want such a leader then Ghengis Khan, Hilter, Stalin, mohammed are good choices for you. All of these choices do not offer a long term stable society and that is also a weakness of Masserman’s thesis)

(KAW: Summary – The claim is true within a very narrow definition of leadership that is satisfied also satisfied by people who wold be considered mass-murderers today – Ghengis Khan, muhammed the chid molester and others. The conclusion is that this statement is not a statement of support for islam – rather a statement that mohammed (may camel puss drip on his node forever) satisfied the criterion specified by Masserman. ) In a few day a reposnse to the claim that Bosworth-Smith makes.

We now consider the statement of Jules Masserman. My comments are capitalized.
—————————————————————————–
Leaders must fulfill three functions-
1: Provide for the well-being of the led.
(KAW: The key word here is “well-being of the led”. This implies, in some sense, that the led are incapable of looking after themselves – a situation reminiscent of islam where people effectively cannot function without instruction from a book whose authority is questionable and whose interpretation is open.

Pasteur and Salk did NOT provide leadership of this form, although their work benefited all, muslims included. The leadership provided by Salk and Pasteur was scientific. Masserman has made a huge and invalid assumption is equating the work of science to the social definition he has provided. Even under the loosest terms his generalization cannot be accepted. An important point is that his definition implies that only the led are to get benefits of the leadership. What of those who are not lead? Masserman’s definition explicitly excludes those who are “non-lead” from “being provided for”. Again Salk and all scientists worked and work for all peoples. islam, however considers non-muslims as something less than human and as a group to be destroyed. As such and within the very narrow confines of the definition provided by Masserman, a psychopath like mohammed who murdered all those who simply believed in another concept of religion is a leader. Thankfully, the modern world recognizes such leaders as the criminals they are. However with the narrow definition provided by Masserman (and this is the point that the idiotic muslims who regularly quote this cannot comprehend) muhammed was a great leader. I suspect that many idiotic muslims will think this is praise for the pedophile – it isn’t.)
next part in next post

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party. However, many societies are secure without resorting to the extreme measure that islamists or nazis have had to resort to. It is interesting that the first goal of the islamists is to try and destroy the perceived security of the culture that they are trying to invade. There are numerous examples in history – I shall dig out some references and post them later. In short, this attribute of leadership is again not necessarily an attribute of humanity. The definition is ambiguous and both evil and good can fit the satisfy the description. )

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party. However, many societies are secure without resorting to the extreme measure that islamists or nazis have had to resort to. It is interesting that the first goal of the islamists is to try and destroy the perceived security of the culture that they are trying to invade. There are numerous examples in history – I shall dig out some references and post them later. In short, this attribute of leadership is again not necessarily an attribute of humanity. The definition is ambiguous and both evil and good can fit the satisfy the description. )
3: Provide them with one set of beliefs.

(KAW: Provide does not mean enforce – another point islamists seem unable to comprehend. islam destroys all other beliefs. It is interesting why Masserman makes the statement that a great leader should provide one set of beliefs. In one sense he is correct – a great leader should have a well defined and easily understood concept of what he wishes to achieve. In another sense he is quite wrong – a great leader should encourage diversity. creativity, originality and understanding. The truth lies usually lies somewhere between these mutually exclusive concepts – islam however cannot encourage creativity except within a very narrow range.

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party.

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism.

2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years.

It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party.

It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism.

George Bernard Shaw
People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.

Professor Jules Masserman
Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.

Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith
Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.

John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D.,
( A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330 )
In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world.

John Austin,
( “Muhammad the Prophet of Allah,” in T.P. ’s and Cassel’s Weekly for 24th September 1927. )
Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?

Lamartine,
( Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727 )
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty
Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.

Annie Besant,
( The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4 )
Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.

Encyclopedia Britannica
I have studied him – the wonderful man – and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.

George Bernard Shaw
( in “The Genuine Islam” )
By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion.
…………….
Now what you think about these Christian scholars ?
I think you are not more literate than these christian scholars…..
Read with neutral and open eyes.

Of course we have quite a few learned people among us who understood what Mohammedanism is all about.

How’s this for starters:

But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him.

-Voltaire, Letter to Frederick II of Prussia, December 1740

“We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. (He is already on the way; he is like Mohammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with a wild god). That can be the historic future.”

– Karl Jung, The Collected Works Volume 18, The Symbolic Life (1939),

“Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness.”

-Winston Churchill, 1897

“I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.”

-Alexis de Tocqueville.

“…the sedentary population of Jerusalem numbers about 15,500 souls, of whom 4,000 are Mussulmans and 8,000 Jews. The Mussulmans, forming about a fourth part of the whole, and consisting of Turks, Arabs and Moors, are, of course, the masters in every respect, as they are in no way affected with the weakness of their Government at Constantinople. Nothing equals the misery and the sufferings of the Jews at Jerusalem, inhabiting the most filthy quarter of the town, called hareth-el-yahoud, the quarter of dirt, between the Zion and the Moriah, where their synagogues are situated ?the constant objects of Mussulman oppression and intolerance, insulted by the Greeks, persecuted by the Latins, and living only upon the scanty alms transmitted by their European brethren.”

Karl Marx, The New-York Herald Tribune 1854

It is a misfortune to human nature, when religion is given by a conqueror. The Mahometan religion, which speaks only by the sword, acts still upon men with that destructive spirit with which it was founded.

The precise and devastating observations of A Carlebach (Ma’ariv October 7 1955) brought to our attention by Hugh Fitzgerald and which – ironically preserved and drawn attention to, by the fool Edward Said, who thus shot himself in the foot – says all that needs to be said about the relationship between Islam and the misery that festers everywhere it prevails.

It is one of my favourites. I haven’t quite memorised it yet, but I shall post it, yet again, for the benefit of any new readers here today, and any who may in future be investigating the archives.

“These Arab Islamic countries do not suffer from poverty, or disease, or illiteracy, or exploitation; they only suffer from the worst of all plagues: Islam.

“Wherever Islamic psychology rules, there is the inevitable rule of despotism and criminal aggression.

“The danger lies in Islamic psychology, which cannot integrate itself into the world of efficiency and progress,

“that lives in a world of illusion, perturbed by attacks of inferiority complexes and megalomania, lost in dreams of the holy sword.

“The danger stems from the totalitarian conception of the world, the passion for murder deeply rooted in their blood, from the lack of logic, the easily inflamed brains, the boasting, and above all: the blasphemous disregard for all that is sacred to the civilized world…

“their reactions â€” to anything â€” have nothing to do with good sense.

“They are all emotion, unbalanced, instantaneous, senseless. It is always the lunatic that speaks from their throat.

“You can talk ‘business’ with everyone, and even with the devil. But not with Allah…

“This is what every grain in this country [Israel] shouts.

“There were many great cultures here, and invaders of all kinds. All of them â€” even the Crusaders â€” left signs of culture and blossoming.

“But on the path of Islam, even the trees have died.”

Others here might like to bring out, yet again, the equally ruthless observations of Churchill and John Quincy Adams, on the obvious nexus between the teachings of Islam and the havoc it wreaks upon people and societies.

Theosophy has about as much to do with Christianity as islam and its false prophet.

Like George Bernard Shaw? Really?

Fabian Socialists might find that interesting, as they fawn all over muslims & islam in their attempt to destroy the West from within.

“With Beatrice and Sidney Webb, Shaw founded the Fabian Society, a socialist political organization dedicated to transforming Britain into a socialist state, not by revolution but by systematic progressive legislation, bolstered by persuasion and mass education. The Fabian society would later be instrumental in founding the London School of Economics and the Labour Party. ”

Theosophy has about as much to do with Christianity as islam and its false prophet.

Like George Bernard Shaw? Really?

Fabian Socialists might find that interesting, as they fawn all over muslims & islam in their attempt to destroy the West from within.

“With Beatrice and Sidney Webb, Shaw founded the Fabian Society, a socialist political organization dedicated to transforming Britain into a socialist state, not by revolution but by systematic progressive legislation, bolstered by persuasion and mass education. The Fabian society would later be instrumental in founding the London School of Economics and the Labour Party. ”

Take your time, and do some homework on your “Christian scholars”.

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Ah – the idiot John is back again. Okay we debunked Shaw – Now it masserman.

We now consider the statement of Jules Masserman. My comments are bracketed.
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Leaders must fulfill three functions-
1: Provide for the well-being of the led.
(KAW: The key word here is “well-being of the led”. This implies, in some sense, that the led are incapable of looking after themselves – a situation reminiscent of islam where people effectively cannot function without instruction from a book whose authority is questionable and whose interpretation is open. Pasteur and Salk did NOT provide leadership of this form, although their work benefited all, muslims included. The leadership provided by Salk and Pasteur was scientific. Masserman has made a huge and invalid assumption is equating the work of science to the social definition he has provided. Even under the loosest terms his generalization cannot be accepted. An important point is that his definition implies that only the led are to get benefits of the leadership. What of those who are not lead? Masserman’s definition explicitly excludes those who are “non-lead” from “being provided for”. Again Salk and all scientists worked and work for all peoples. islam, however considers non-muslims as something less than human and as a group to be destroyed. As such and within the very narrow confines of the definition provided by Masserman, a psychopath like mohammed who murdered all those who simply believed in another concept of religion is a leader. Thankfully, the modern world recognizes such leaders as the criminals they are. However with the narrow definition provided by Masserman (and this is the point that the idiotic muslims who regularly quote this cannot comprehend) muhammed was a great leader. I suspect that many idiotic muslims will think this is praise for the pedophile – it isn’t.)
2: Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure.
(KAW:islam is unique in that it encourages people not to think – it is in effect a social organisation which destroys individuality and seeks conformity – this provides a simple explanation for the rather mediocre performance of muslim society for many hundreds of years. It is the hall mark of a cult and a very dangerous cult. The NSDP functioned in a similar way, as did the Soviet Communist party. islam does indeed share the same characteristics as an extreme brand of socialism. From the point of humabn growth and development, these characteristics are not those that should dominate a dynamic society. Also, the means through which the security is achieveds, via violent and threat, is common to islam and to the NSPD and to the Russian Communist party. However, many societies are secure without resorting to the extreme measure that islamists or nazis have had to resort to. It is interesting that the first goal of the islamists is to try and destroy the perceived security of the culture that they are trying to invade. There are numerous examples in history – I shall dig out some references and post them later. In short, this attribute of leadership is again not necessarily an attribute of humanity. The definition is ambiguous and both evil and good can fit the satisfy the description. )

3: Provide them with one set of beliefs.

(KAW: Provide does not mean enforce – another point islamists seem unable to comprehend. islam destroys all other beliefs. It is interesting why Masserman makes the statement that a great leader should provide one set of beliefs. In one sense he is correct – a great leader should have a well defined and easily understood concept of what he wishes to achieve. In another sense he is quite wrong – a great leader should encourage diversity. creativity, originality and understanding. The truth lies usually lies somewhere between these mutually exclusive concepts – islam however cannot encourage creativity except within a very narrow range.

People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense.
(KAW: This is an inconstent argument – see (1) above)

People like Gandhi and Confucious. On one hand, and Alexander,
Caesar and Hitler on the other. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone.Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Muhammad (PBUH) who combined all three functions.
(KAW: Again I stress the definition provides a very narrow range of leadership types. If you want such a leader then Ghengis Khan, Hilter, Stalin, mohammed are good choices for you. All of these choices do not offer a long term stable society and that is also a weakness of Masserman’s thesis)

(KAW: Summary –
The claim is true within a very narrow definition of leadership that is satisfied also satisfied by people who wold be considered mass-murderers today – Ghengis Khan, muhammed the chid molester and others. The conclusion is that this statement is not a statement of support for islam – rather a statement that mohammed (may camel puss drip on his node forever) satisfied the criterion specified by Masserman. )

Sheik,
I am in the process of ripping apart “John”‘s list – entry by entry. Shaw has been dealt with, Masserman has been posted today, and others will follow. “John” is quoting out of context and clearly has not understood the frame in which the quotes the lists were made.

Mr Kawkaw …. Are you going to run away?
Your minds and hearts are very narrow. you people are unable to understand the truth.

I ask many questions but i found no answer from your side.
I am not misquoting but you misquoted.

I think you know about a Christian write Micheal H Heart. Michael H Heart a Christian American, Astronomer, mathematician , Lawyer, chess master, and a Scientist, after extensive research published an incisive biography of the 100 most influential people of all times. The biography ranking’s with explanations describes the careers of religious and political leaders, inventors, writers, philosophers, scientists, and artists.
Would you like to let me know that why he place the name of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) on No. 1st. …. ?

He wrote “My choice of Muhammad(peace be upon him) to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.”

Do your small and narrow mind have any reasons to reject Mr. Micheal H Heart ?

Dear Friend,
Your pathetic crusade against Islam will not succeed. I pity you and I am trying to gauge why you are ridiculing something that you are not fully aware of! May Allah have mercy on you on the day of the judgement as HE is the Most Merciful, The Most Benevolent.. It might influence and encourage those who already have a hatred against Islam like you, or some ignorants who would not bother to do a thorough research.
I am a Muslim, and I am PROUD to be a Muslim and I assure you that I am following the most peace-loving and just religion which shows you the rights and the wrongs of Life, like none other….God Bless you all…(Seek forgiveness from your heart before the day of the Judgement and InshaAllah HE will forgive you)

Mr. John (islam is great): Hitler was one of the most influential persons of last century and so was Stalin. Now, few enlightened persons will however grant these persons influence that is desirable. So it is with your beloved Muhammad. We westerners reject your prophets tenets. Simple as that. As we have rejected Hitler and Stalin, however successful they were in their time. Don’t be a muslim shit-for-brains, grow up!

“We westerners reject your prophets tenets.”
No, we don’t, you moron. Many of the tenets of Islam are consistent with western values. (Even more so with Christian values, if that happens to be you predilection.) Generosity, restraint, devotion, respect for elders, respect for learning… You take the worst examples of Muslims that you can find and paint the entire religion with your nonsense. Would I be correct in characterizing Norwegians as Nazi, because 2% of the population supported the National Socialist party? That would be idiotic.

@Mr. Oats:
“we reject your prophets tenets.” – Actually, yes we do.
“Even more so with Christian values” – well, yes, and most of them too, (only exception: Mathew 7:12).
ANY tenets which claim that certain groups are more important than other groups, or permit slavery, are rejected by enlightened people.
“characterizing Norwegians as Nazi, ” – Any Norwegians, Germans, Austrians, Russians, Poles etc. who did not argue AGAINST the NPD WERE Nazis. Basta.

Kaw kaw: we call dogs kawkaw in our language, you and nolaughingmatter like two girly dogs , all you do is barking, well done John and Timmy brother, my english is not very good to answer them dogs in writing but you doing very good job

I’m glad he brought up that “most western women is interested in islam.”

Yeah, many western women are. The fat ones, the old ones, the ugly ones. The ones who convert because some mohammadan scumbag like you plays taqiyya with them telling them these old taqiyya classics: “older women are desirous in my culture.” “Fat is considered attractive in my culture.” etc., etc., ad nauseum.

You mohammadans purposly target these old, fat, ugly and completely socially inept western women for two reasons: green cards and to earn brownie points with your allah/mohammad.

These dumb broads (and I’ve met plenty of them here in dar al islam) convert not out of conviction but to get a “man.” I use the term man loosely because mohammadans are not men. You are sick-minded, evil, sexually perverted pieces of excrement.

So, conversion by desperate and worthless women, in a pathetic bid to get married, to your cult does not add validity to your cult or your arguments about “more westerne women interested in islam.” True believers convert to a belief system out of conviction not to hear some ugly mohammadan barbarian lie to them and tell them “I love you.”

My argument holds true for all the converts to islam out of prison inmates. Not exactly quality people there. How about Michael -I screw little boys- Jackson? You mohammadans love to hold him up proudly as a convert to your cult of misogyny, lies, hypocrisy and supremacy. Let’s not forget the socially inept Walker-Lindh and Jihad Jane? Both social retards and Jane the typical old, used up and ugly whore who converts to your cult. Point being islam does not attract quality people. It attracts the losers, the rejects the undesirables.

Hitler, Musollini and Stalin were atheists. Hitler, in fact, stated on several occasions that he HATED Christianity because he said it was weak. At the same time he praised islam because he said islam was strong because it taught its adherents to kill all enemies and show no mercy: exactly opposite of the teachings of Christ.

History: Crusades were a RE-ACTION to 400 years of iSLAMIC invasion of Christian lands and forced conversions/slaughter of Christians IN THEIR OWN LANDS!

Look up “re-action” in a dictionary. Christians didn’t start the Crusades. You bloody mohammadans did. mohammadan armies invaded Christian and Jewish lands and raped and pillaged and forced conversions. No Christians or Jews had attempted to invade islamic lands. mohammadans invaded because your allah/mohammad commands them to for his grand scheme of spreading the islamic ummah.

Now, you weasly islamic turd, take your pea-brain, re-invented history and half-baked taqiyya and cram them up your nose.

The ONLY people who believe your twisted lies are DESPERATE, OLD AND FAT WHORES AND SOCIAL RETARDS.

Islam is NOT religion. Big bad Mo was a paedophile , a rapist , a murderer…..the Quran is a rip off of other previous texts and I am told it is poorly written. Why would any thinking person follow this codger?
It appears to me that muslims are what is commonly known as ”sheeples”…they unthinkingly follow anyone or anything…they would follow a big bus if someone convinced them to.
How sad..so much mindlessness…And as for ”judgement day”…This is not an original concept..There is nothing original in islam. Even head scarfs and stoning were borrowed off others.
It is for weak, unintelligent people who desperately need something to belong to . Sadder than sad in my opinion.

John
Replies to your rubbish were posted – you have either not read them or where unable to answer – whatever – your reasons are irrelevant to me. And yes – I do reject your statements. They are out of context to what was intended by the original article. Most of the statements you have given when properly interpreted are in fact damming of islam and the peophile prophet.
You simply have not understood what you read. Pick any one of your strongest arguments and I will happily rip it to pieces again. Already done this once and I don’t really feel like wasting my time in deal with a person who seems unable to understand much. So please post – am waiting.

Ero,
I guess you are as dumb as you appear to be from your email. John is not doing a good job, but since you are unable to understand why it is hardly worth explaining the reasons to you. kawkaw is not my name – it is actually close to the sound of a crow- I guess muslim dogs have vocal chord damage from having foreign objects inserted in their throats.

Being called a dog is not an insult..In western culture , dogs have long been known as ”man’s best friend.” Dogs have been working animals for centuries and have been pets and friends to humans for just as long.
An ancient ideology which deems dog saliva as ”haram” is nutty , poor and simple..nutty…dog’s teeth are cleaner than human teeth.
Every non muslim should own a dog..this is one way of returning the fear…Muslims are irrationally afraid of dogs…If muslims start moving into my neighbourhood , I shall buy a Doberman, a huge one.

buttroast – or whatever your name is – your email is not entirely clear in whether you are trying to be complementary or sarcastic. English is a subtle language so make sure you understand English before trying to be witty. BTW Pope Benedict has not protected any one from prosecution on child abuse charges. Given that your average muslim male rapes children and that it is not rare that immams demand sexual favors of very young males you should perhaps start looking inside your mosque before abusing those who point out the absurdity that is islam.

Rossco,
He will wait until it looks like this issue has been forgotten – ie when no one posts here for a while – and then the illogical rubbish will spew from his keyboard again. Like all muslims he will argue only when the reply is the echo of his own voice because he cannot support his point of view when it is challenged. The problem with dogma – it is not based on logic.
Still waiting john.

Still waiting – and gee thanks Jane! Is there a reason for your little spat.
Just correcting your spelling – I guess that you are not a woman and that you are a typically poorly educated koran freak …. there is no such word as “YOUSELF” – you should write “YOURSELF” – and “YOUR” should be “YOU ARE”. And speaking of being full of yourself – well I suspect that you are speaking from experience. If you have nothing to say then don’t bother writing!!!

YOU should check the churches, chapel etc for those “Men and Women of religion and so called God fearing in those places are indeed in real need of sex , man.They are wrongly deprived of a basic human need just because your weird religion forbids them to marry, have sex and be humans. And yes, I don’t blame them because they have to read
those graphic sex narrations in your “holy” bible, not once but daily.

Anyway, my gut feeling says you and your cohorts are actually planning to reap some financial rewards from these anti Muslims/Islam
web sites if not why should you and your Sheikh asked for DONATIONS.!! Donations for what?

Buttroast,
You are quite a fool, are you not??? Denial of the rite of marriage to priests, nuns, and brothers is not practised in all branches of the Catholic faith. Religious workers within the Anglican and other branches enjoy quite happy married relations – and this will happen for the catholics. Unlike islam, a stubborn and doltish monolith, the Christian religions develop and evolve as humans evolve. So too, do the eastern philosophies such as Buddhism. In short, only islam represents a repressive monster without any self-correcting mechanisms built in. So you are again incorrect – as you mostly are. I find it amusing that your only comeback has been a silly comment on a mistyped vowel – the significant points noted in the email to which you refer have not been disproved by you: then again – buttroast – you are a moron, buttoast, having scanned your rather pointless contributions draws one to the conclusion that your IQ is somewhat less than 100. This means the family dog is probably equally as intelligent as you are. By the way buttroast (I wonder if you understand what the word in slang means??) I would also say that you have not read the bible – and I am curious as to which particular passages you found so arousing!!! Perhaps the bible I read was previously owned by you, and during this unfortunate ownership several pages got stuck together.

The Prophet said: “The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife”

The Prophet said, “Paradise lies at the feet of your mothers.”

A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man said. “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man further said, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your mother.” The man asked for the fourth time, “Who is next?” The Prophet said, “Your father.”

Narrated ‘Abdulla bin ‘Abi Qatada – “My father said, “The Prophet said, ‘When I stand for prayer, I intend to prolong it but on hearing the cries of a child, I cut it short, as I dislike to trouble the child’s mother.’ ”

Narrated Salim bin ‘Abdullah ,also in 7:165 – My father said, “The Prophet said, ‘If the wife of any one of you asks permission (to go to the mosque) do not forbid her.”

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith – The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “He is not of us who does not have mercy on young children, nor honor the elderly”

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 5127 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Abbas –
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If anyone has a female child, and does not bury her alive, or slight her, or prefer his children (i.e. the male ones) to her, Allah will bring him into Paradise.

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith v8 #64 Narrated by Anas (when mentioning his childhood) – I served the Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alaihi wasallam) for ten years, and he never said to me, “Uf” (a minor harsh word
denoting impatience) and never blamed me by saying, “Why did
you do so or why didn’t you do so?”

Hadrat Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) was asked to curse the infidels. He said, “I have not been sent to curse people but as a mercy to all mankind.” (Muslim)

Hadrat Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: While we were in the mosque with Allah’s Messenger (may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) a desert Arab came and began to pass water in the mosque. The companions of Allah’s Messenger said, “Stop! Stop!” but Allah’s Messenger (may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) said, “Don’t interrupt him; leave him alone.” They left him alone, and when he had finished, Allah’s Messenger (may Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) called him and said to him, “These mosques are not suitable places for urine and filth, but are only for remembrance of Allah, prayer and recitation of the Qur’an.” Hadrat Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) said that he then gave orders to one of the people who brought a bucket and poured water over it. (Bukhari and Muslim)

S. P. Scott writes in, History of the Moorish Empire in Europe, p. 126:
If the object of religion be the inculcation of morals, the diminution of evil, the promotion of human happiness, the expansion of the human intellect, if the performance of good works will avail in the great day when mankind shall be summoned to its final reckoning it is neither irreverent nor unreasonable to admit that Muhammad was indeed an Apostle of God.

Lamartine a French historian, writes in his book, History of Turkey, p. 276: Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may ask, is there any man greater than he?

MAJOR A. LEONARD
If ever any man on this earth has found God; if ever any man has devoted his life for the sake of God with a pure and holy zeal then, without doubt, and most certainly that man was the Holy Prophet of Arabia. (Islam, its Moral and Spiritual Values, p. 9; 1909, London)

we know there were a few confused souls in history who sold their soul to Shaitan. Should we be impressed?

Perhaps you know who was AtatÃ¼rk, Mustafa Kemal? He said this: “Islam, an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.”

He also said this:

Turks were a great nation even before they adopted Islam. This religion did not help the Arabs, Iranians, Egyptians and others to unite with Turks to form a nation. Conversely, it weakened the Turks’ national relations; it numbed Turkish national feelings and enthusiasm. This was natural, because Mohammedanism was based on Arab nationalism above all nationalities.

Do you know that Ataturk was Founder and first President of the Republic of Turkey?

I cannot imagine how much of a loser you are!
You dedicate your time and energy just to say bad things about another religions and other people who don’t have the same beliefs as you yours..what a loser!
You think if you come here and complain like a girl about Islam and Muslims that it will change a thing! Ok, keep dreaming..
Piece of advice: get a life!

I cannot imagine
That is true of a muslims,centuries of blind unthinking obedience have rendered them bereft of the higher brain functions that non muslims possess.
In case you hadn’t noticed,this blog is not about religion,it’s about opposition to islam

* You think if you come here and complain like a girl about Islam and Muslims that it will change a thing!

And muslims run whining to the UN and every “human rights” body under the sun complaining about “islamophobia”, “hurt feelings”, “cultural insensitivity”, “upset sensibilities” and a plethora of trifles, expecting instant redress, apologies, fawning & dhimmitude, backed with threats of violence – real or implied.

muslims supply the feedstock for this blog, and many more like it;
you reap what you sow.

Kamal Ataturk hijacked Islamic (Anatolian ) fervour for his own ends and now we see the reverse.And we Muslims will never ever insult Jesus (Isa a.s ).what we rejected are weird ideas that he is son of god.Ideas from popes bootlicking Emperor Justinian and other Roman emperors.

Yes Amanda , these fools are making money from this web site.One of them is businessman in Cairns.

Kamal Ataturk hijacked Islamic (Anatolian ) fervour for his own ends and now we see the reverse.And we Muslims will never ever insult Jesus (Isa a.s ).what we rejected are weird ideas that he is son of god.Ideas from popes bootlicking Emperor Justinian and other Roman emperors.

Yes Amanda , these fools are making money from this web site.One of them is businessman in Cairns.

I will donate ( maybe money ) and deliver to you personally on condition you and the others receive them personally . But I disclaim what ever happens after that.My disclaimer excludes your conversion to Islam.if that really happens,(its not impossible ) I will pray to God in gratitude.

Muslim freak called Rasputin,
We shall put up your home address here – shall we – and we can do that. Do not ever threaten here again you muslim pig. Muslims do insult other religions, muslims do murder people because they belong to other religions, and as for conversion to a cult worshipping a child molesting, sheep fucking, 6th century arab rapist and warlord – no thanks – keep your money muslim retard. BTW Amanda, no one is making money on this site – the people who run this site have real jobs and they do this as a community service – and this service is far more social and useful than the “don’t critic islam or die” service that the muslim fuckwits that pollute this planet provide at the present time. You want to see a blind racist fool – look for a muslim and there is a high probability that you have found one.

The truth is we are hated by the Muslim world. It is not only political correctness, but also political madness to hear the words of hatred aimed at the West and not accept them as reality. Even the threats of Osama bin Laden were taken from the eighth and ninth chapters
of the Koran.

“When you meet the unbelievers strike them in the neck…. If you do not go out and fight, God will punish you severely…Whenever you find the polytheists, kill them, seize them, besiege them, ambush them…You who believe do not take Jews and Christians as friends…The Hour of Judgement will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them”.

A good muslim is a jihadist. A bad muslim wants peace.

The muslims will try to kill Jews and us no matter what the consequences or circumstances.
Read for yourself.

Greetings Infidel and theresaj
”from the eighth and ninth chapters
of the Koran.”

If it is from Omar Ben Laden or yourselves, then the verses are read out of context ala “cut and paste” The connotation ‘if threatened ‘ /self defense are always left out every time.But you can’t explain all these to fools, can we?

Conversion for desperate people? of course to those desperate for real truth and sick of paying homage to idols and man gods.Nauseated by the THREE=ONE OR TWO=ONE arguments.Go back to maths school.

1. Muhammad’s earliest biographer, a pious Muslim named Ibn Ishaq, explains the progression of Qur’anic revelation about warfare. First, he explains, Allah allowed Muslims to wage defensive warfare. But that was not Allah’s last word on the circumstances in which Muslims should fight. Ibn Ishaq explains offensive jihad by invoking a Qur’anic verse: “Then God sent down to him: ‘Fight them so that there be no more seduction,’ i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. ‘And the religion is God’s’, i.e. Until God alone (Allah) is worshipped.”

The Qur’an verse Ibn Ishaq quotes here (2:193) commands much more than defensive warfare: Muslims must fight until “the religion is for Allah” – that is, until Allah alone is worshipped. Ibn Ishaq gives no hint that that command died with the seventh century.

Question for Salty : I take it you believe that Ibn Ishaq was wrong, and misunderstood the true, peaceful teachings of the Qur’an and Muhammad?

2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.”
2:194-“Fighting in the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those whofear Him.”

Verse 2:193 should be read with verse 2:194. 193-“These verses should also be read in the context of occasion for its revelation (As babul nuzul ) In the main they are about self defense in the situation when pagans renegade on Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, when pagans obstructed prayer in Holy sanctuary (Kaabah ) and when idolators did all those in the month when fighting is not permitted and in the place where fighting is not allowed (sanctuary )

The verses told Muslims to fight back irrespective of the aforesaid constraints.The general application of God’s command today will be for Muslims to fight back in self defense against the oppressors and against any force that obstruct Muslims’ adherence to God’s command, performing prayers etc.BUT cease fighting when the other party stop oppressing.

Who is ibn ishaq and tabaree?
Ibn Ishaaq authored the famous Seerah of the Prophet salallaahu aalihi wa salam and At-Tabaree authored a book on Taareekh (history).

Both of them just collected narrations with the chains of narration without authentication. The reason for this is that these books were not authored for the ignorant layman, they were authored for the scholars as books of research. The authors collected “All what was said” and not “all what is authentic” so that when the scholars read the books, they research the chains of narration.

YHWH is not one or two or three; Elohim Echad!
Echad is ONE in the sense of being undivided one in purpose
and is not applicable to the supreme Being adding from one; Unity
(judaism/islam) up to eight (a true church).

Allahu Ahad,(God is ONE )
Allahu Samad,(the One Who is always sought at times of need,)
Lam Ya lid wa Lam Yuulad (He neither begets nor is born,)
wa lam Yakullahu kufuwan ahad.(Nor is there to Him any equivalent/partner/associate/son .”)

Saltie Croc
The unity/oneness, duality, family and trinity doctrines fall all short of
describing the Supreme Being of YHWH. they are all God limitations.
Echad as in elohim echad is not applicable to humans for we humans
are not really one&undivided, one in purpose and invariable as YHWH who is ONE and multi-manifestational.
So YHWH can manifest as YAH, Yehoshuwa, Ruach, Nefesj, Kabod, Sar, Malak and Cohen as recorded.
Too literal interpretation of certain texts lead the monotheistics astray.
elohim, allah (from ellah) and god are all titles, the NAME is YHWH.
if the name of your god is allah, than it is the moongod.
adonai elohim won’t convince either, lord god who?
god, G-d or God, to what are we referring?
There is only YHWH Elohim Tsuvaoth, the others are idols.

Saltie Croc,
Religion is a human concept!! And if G_d is the supreme being she/he/it does not need your help to defend its unity. Your comment was a fairly typical statement from a mohammedan. And mohammedism is not wanted or needed. BTW your moniker is amusing – one wonders if it is because the salt water crocodile is the most dangerous large animal in Australia. Well, if required salties can be shot.

True, it does not not matter to Him , if you praise or curse Him, help or do not help Him for He is Supreme (Al Aziz ) and As Samad ( His creations depend on Him , He does not depend on anything or anybody )

BUT God is pleased with those that acknowledge His attributes, follow His commands and do not associate Him with partners.It is His pleasure that we always seek.To die defending one’s conviction and belief that God is without associate or partners is to die without committing the unforgivable /unpardonable sin of shirkh .Believing that God shares power and has a son is a blasphemy , a shirkh of the worst kind!

SM
“Allah” is used in the Quran, this word in Arabic simply means “The God”. ( We are commanded to submit to ‘The God” and never to His creations (moon,sun etc ) so that ‘moon god ‘ remark is a blatant lie.)In fact,Arab christians use word Allah to mean God.

On the subject of ‘YHWH’ the Jewish encyclopedia mentioned that “the modern Jews are as uncertain of the real pronunciation of the Sacred name as their Christian contemporaries” As it was made apparent that we and them do not know how to pronounce the word “YHWH”, we must now look and understand what this word means so as to get an understanding of the word itself. The Jewish Encyclopedia informs us that the meaning of the name “YHWH” is;
“‘He who is self-existing, self-sufficient’, or, more concretely, ‘He
who lives’” [emphasis added]. Hence in simplest of terms “YHWH” means “The Living and Self-Subsisting. ”

Islamic teachings inform us of 99 names (attributes– ( your version of multi manifestations ?) of Allah (swt) and the Quran informs us that to Allah (swt) belongs the most beautiful names and we can call him by any of these beautiful names: Say: “Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most beautiful names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.” – [Quran 17:110] ,Amongst the names are;
Al-‘Adl -The Just, The Equitable Al-‘Afuw – The Pardoner Al-‘Asim – The Protector Ad-Dafi` – The Remover of Tribulations Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem -The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
AND Hayyul-Qayyum – The Living,Self-Subsisting
So,
Hayyul-Qayyum – The Living, Self-Subsisting is’nt it YHWH – The Living,Self-Subsisting ?

Saltie Croc
YHWH is not jewish.
Allah is from Ellah (aramaic).
There was a moongod-cult who worshiped a Allah (name).
Islam has a moon-sign.
The names in the quran are just titles.
quran is more contaminated than tenach,
tenach was more contaminated than New Testament.
You need YHWH Ruach to understand scriptures.
All world religions are just organized systems.
Real Theocracy will occur in the Millennium-reign of
Yehoshuwa ha Moshiach.

On the steps of Sydney Town Hall in the wet dusk of last Tuesday, the former mufti of Australia, Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly, raised his arms and asked for silence as the crowd chanted anti-Israel slogans and waved the flags of Turkey, Lebanon, Palestine and the Socialist Alliance.

”Israel is a terrorist state. Yes?”

The crowd cheered. A series of chants drowned out his next sentence, which ended with the words, ”a clear message to the Israeli government.”

”Listen!” cried Hilaly, and the crowd grew silent.

He then lifted a Turkish flag and said, ”Turkey is coming!”

More Cheers. A section of the crowd, young men, broke into a chant of ”Allahu akbar!”
Hilaly continued: ”Turkey is coming. And Iran is ready!”

This was greeted with more cheers.

Iran is ready? For what? If you were to ask Hilaly, his record suggests you would receive disingenuous piffle of the type he has been offering for years whenever questioned about his war-mongering, especially the comments he has made in Arabic when he thought he would not be scrutinised in the wider society.

For this you can thank Paul Keating and his government and the NSW Labor machine, for overriding the advice of the Australian intelligence community that Hilaly be deported. He was too useful to Labor.

Hilaly’s latest message is clear. Turkey has turned against Israel. And Iran is ready, through its military and its foreign proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, to wage war against Israel. It has sent thousands of rockets to Lebanon and tried to do the same in Gaza, and is prepared to confront and destroy the Zionist entity, with Hilaly and his followers cheering them on.

Sharing the stage outside the Town Hall was Paul McAleer, the Sydney branch secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia. He chose his words carefully: ”This flotilla [confronting Israel’s military blockade of Gaza] was hijacked by state-sanctioned murderers, who carry out their orders with deadly precision.”
State-sanctioned murderers who act with deadly precision. Sounds like Nazis.

The irony in McAleer’s comments was elements of the union now known as the MUA functioned for decades as a criminal organisation, practising system-wide blackmail, extortion, intimidation, pilfering and featherbedding on the wharves. During World War II, the wharfies’ union, controlled by the communists, undermined Australia’s war effort. After the war, when dock operators began to introduce mechanisation on the wharves, union leaders pushed forklift trucks into the harbour.

When the Howard government and Chris Corrigan broke the MUA’s stronghold on the ports 12 years ago, the union again used violence and intimidation. After the MUA lost the strike, the ports doubled their productivity. This is the moral authority on which the MUA stands.

Next on the Town Hall steps was a Greens NSW MP, Lee Rhiannon. She condemned Israel’s ”crime against humanity”. Rhiannon is the embodiment of the common cause the hard left has made with the hard right of Islamic militancy. It is an interesting alliance. After the first modern Islamic revolution, in Iran, the new regime wiped out the communists, whose activists on university campuses had helped bring down the shah. Within its first two years, the Islamic regime had executed thousands of communists, student leaders and feminists. Despite this warning, the hard left and Islamic militancy continue to find common cause because of a shared and defining antipathy to Western capitalism and Zionism.

Where does the Australian Human Rights Commission stand on matters such as calls to religious war made in Australia? It has nothing to say. It prefers softer targets. Earlier on the day of the Town Hall demonstration, the Race Discrimination Commissioner, Graeme Innes, told the Herald he thought it was time for racial profiling of crimes. Not racial profiling of perpetrators, of course, just victims. ”Racial profiling perpetrators is little more than a guess which often reinforces incorrect stereotypes,” he said.

This is typical of the patronising hypocrisy permeating the human rights industry. Since when did identifying the ethnicity of people convicted of a crime ever involve guesswork? And if racial stereotypes are unfair, then racial profiling of both crime victims and perpetrators would exculpate any stereotyped group. If, however, racial profiling confirmed an ethnic group was disproportionately involved in crime, then it would not be an ”incorrect stereotype” but a truth.

Yet even the selective suggestion by the Race Discrimination Commissioner was too much for the president of the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board, Stepan Kerkyasharian, an inveterate ideologue on matters of presumed prejudice. In a letter to the Herald, Kerkyasharian wrote having police asking victims about their ethnic origin was ”dangerous”.

Why? ”Publicity about the ethnicity of a victim,” he wrote, ”when there is no suggestion of a racial motive, could lead to copy-cat attacks.” This is an argument made out of thin air. It is predicated entirely on the notion Australian society is seething with prejudice and in no way should crime and ethnicity be a subject fit for public consumption or transparency.

This is the bedrock belief of the human rights industry. Society is prejudiced and needs the civilising buffer of a large human rights machinery, and a human rights charter, policed and interpreted by the human rights industry, all funded by the taxpayer.

Just don’t ask too much about the most basic human right – freedom from violence. Don’t ask about who is populating our prisons, our criminal justice systems and the organisations on the published watch lists of ASIO. Because we can’t handle that sort of truth.

1) YHWH is not Jewish.————-You have problem with Jewish
encyclopedia?
2)Allah is from Ellah (aramaic).—-Arabic and Aramaic are related
languages
2)There was a moongod-cult who —It was the pagan and idolators’s
worshiped a Allah (name). cult demolished by Islam.Pagans
were Arabs and called God
Allah.You simply refused to
understand ,do you?
3)Islam has a moon-sign.————- The crescent and star was the
coat of arms of Ottoman
Empire.Islam has no symbol

4)The names in the quran are just titles.– -God’s 99 names are
His attributes

5)quran is more contaminated than tenach,— PROVE IT.
tenach was more contaminated than
New Testament.

6)You need YHWH Ruach to understand
Scriptures ——————————– WOW! You need
God’s ruach (soul )
to understand
scriptures? Only
rabbis have this
soul? No wonder
gentiles are flocking
to Islam for Islam
is not an exclusive
religion.Islam make
it simple to
understand and
follow God’s
commands
7) All world religions are just organized
systems- ———– What are you trying to
say?
8) R eal Theocracy will occur in ———–Still waiting for the Messiah?
the Millennium-reign of you rejected Jesus (pbuh )
Yehoshuwa ha Moshiach. and
Muhammad
(pbuh) because
they did not meet
your man-made
criteria.

Yes Saltie Croc, and you speak for G_d ???????!!!!! I THINK NOT!!!! Folks, why are mohammedans such purile moronic wankers. Try your idiotic preaching elsewhere you muslim fuckwit, And remember, you threaten any one here, and you are gone. I am sure mohammed the rapist has a used camel waiting for you.

Satay Croc,
Piss off you muslim fuckwit! I doubt very much that G_d would be upset if I thought he had a son – actually he doesn’t but you do not understand the concept of the trinity. Satay, you are a wonderful example of how stupid mohammedans are. I suspect that you are the end product of countless muslim “men” raping their sisters – in the muslim world the genetic pool is rather limited. Folks, here we have a dumb stupid muslim jerk who is so dumb that he believes he actually understands who G_D is and how he thinks. No Satay, you are a dumb muslim shit, with little understanding of anything except how to hurt the weak. NOW GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

1 YHWH is not jewish for the Godsname. (hebrew is different)
the jewish encyclopedia is just describing it.
2 aramaic and arabic are related and allah comes from ellah.
2 mooncult is still here under the denominator of animism.
3 many islamic countries have crescent and star in their flags.
4 same mistake as in christianity; attributes are not names.
5 “this is a perfect book” (quran) muhammed describes trinity
wrong unknowing or willingly. there are no perfect books!
6 without the Spirit of YHWH you will remain carnal in your
spirit/soul and mind; islam tries to reform the exterior human,
real religion in YHWH changes the interior human.
Only by spiritual rebirth and the renewing in the YHWH Ruach
and the gifts one can understand the scriptures.
Rabbi’s are not the suited ones; they follow Judaism.
islam is just an excuse to remain carnal.
without real faith you can’t please YHWH.
There is only one Qahal YHWH and YHWH knows who will
be in it, not by decision of humans.
7 it is just human work with a religious covering.
8 Isa and Jesus as presented by islam and christianity are
limitations of the manifestation of HWH as Yehoshuwa ha Moschiach.
+Also; “the God” doesn’t mean a thing; many people have “the God”
instead of YHWH. whatever that may be.
+To say that God can not have a son is God limitation.
if he CAN’T, than he is not YHWH El Shaddai.

Greetings SM,
Yours is a better discourse than the one by Kaw.His is a rambling and ranting.So, Qahal YWHW relates to the creed of the second temple and it was expounded by Ozair upon your return from exile in Babylon.
ok you have your stand.
sorry if I seem to be offensive; can we extent the concept of not limitating God’s power of having a son to Him having ascendants and descendants as well.What I mean is of having Grandfathers and grandsons? Sceintists discovered man (real man not apelike creatures )
to have existed 3 million years ago so God’s lineage must be very very long then!and Kaw, cool down please I am asking a relevant question here.
And the stars and stripes appear on US flag.Stars on Aussie flag too.Are they Muslim countries.?

All human relations are by divine design,
earthy father-son relation is a poor reflection of a bigger thing.
YHWH is the creator of humans thus it is easy to do all human things for Him but it does not mean that he will do all human things, YHWH can lie, change, vary But He won’t. YHWH was not created has no father or mother.

That scientists discover very old proof of human existence id due to
the scientific reality which differs from the hidden Truth.
Solomon stated already that no man can discover the work of the hand of God; that’s why there are so many versions about the earth’s history.

About stars and stripes and crosses on flags you are right.
there are only a few “political correct flags” in the world; the ones from
chad, guinea, mali and romania; to have stars, sun, moon, animals,
code of arms, objects black/white etcetera on flags would be incorrect.
YHWH Nissi (Yahweh my Banner).

SC
I didn’t intend a discourse – you are not worth the effort. I find this entire line of discussion rather trite and amusing. You appear not to understand what evolution actually means, you appear not to understand that the concept of a God is a human concept – perhaps it is an indication of higher intelligence? Did you know that the difference in DNA sequencing between “apes” and “man” is only a few percent? Humans appears to have evolved to their current state 500.000 years ago, they didn’t just appear (not three million years ago – yes our ancestors existed 3 million years ago but they were not Homo Sapiens – our species). The reason there are so many different ideas about Earths history is that not many possess the skill, expertise and training, and funding to dig up and properly understand the geological past. It is a question of time scales, and the time scale of human conscience is but a fraction of geological time. So we are learning to deduce and to understand but science does this in a rigorous formal way (which is also open to interpretation because we still know very little) that you do not seem to understand. If you do not have these resources you seek an explanation elsewhere – there is a very very high probability you will be wrong but you will be comfortable. Humans frame their religion within what they do not understand and you seem to be a classic example of this. But within this framework both science and religion can co-exist though religion will not be what you seem to believe – religion is again a human concept and as our species evolves so to will our concept of G_d. You can ascribe any powers that you wish to your god, he/she/it is after all just a creation of your imagination and desire to understand what you cannot understand or control. Interestingly the concept of G_d having descendents appears to damaged by the definition of what a god is by your apparent definitions – there is a logical contradiction. You are welcome to believe what you wish, but it is YOUR belief and it is not a global truth. You and SM may not understand how much time and effort is required to really understand something – I do not wish to be offensive in this instance but you and SM have both chosen the easy way that leads to no real understanding but perhaps one must err on the side of pragmatism in order to retain sanity – the problem you are both trying to categorize has too many degrees of freedom (I suspect that you both do not understand this but apologize if you do). But again, that is my interpretation only – the question of G_d is open-ended – there is by definition an infinite number of possibilities. By way of explanation for my earlier hostility – SC you appear to be a muslim trying to shove islam down our throats – if that it so then be warned. I have seen the mess that you people have made in Europe, and I will not tolerate it in Oz. And if that means you have to be removed to protect my country, then you will be. You are welcome to believe in the bleatings of an illiterate child molester and rapist from 630 AD, but you do not coerce another into the pit that you seem to have climbed in.

Kaw,
Thank you for the semi discourse.To cut short are you saying it is that difficult to understand who God is?

We Muslims understand fully the difficulty of knowing God and thankfully we are guided by the Quran (God’s words ) Ahadith (Prophet’s sayings and deeds as reported by people around him pbuh ) and other secondary sources.In fact we are also warned not to dwell too much on His Essence for it is a very difficult topic beyond man’s
understanding.

Without those references we will be grappling with the infinite possibilities and probabilities you mentioned It is due to His Mercy that He who Creates the Heavens and Earths and 52 billion galaxies let
us (Muslims ) have the Books–Torah,Zabur,Inji land Quran and further guided by Musa,Isa and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all )
respectively.

Please be informed that in no way I am trying to shove Islam into anybody’ s throats.We do not need to and do not want to.What we want is the opportunity to let our stand be known.We THANK you
and Sheikh for that.

SC,
Unfortunately many subtle aspects of what I wrote have eluded you – and you have completely missed the main point – no surprise there. This is why argument with people like you is rather frustrating – the argument has to be brought down to the simplest level before muslims like you even have a change of understanding. To cut (it) short, your first paragraph illustrates clearly that you have not understood a word of my previous email.

Your stand was already known, through the numerous murders and violent crimes that have been perpetrated by your violent and brain dead co-religionists.
Your last email illustrates the narrow confines of your intellect – and the best person to demonstrate this is you – THANK YOU so much for showing the readers how limited your reasoning is. Be warned again – you force the ideals of a long dead arab rapist, child molester and murderer down our throats and you will be removed from this country. You are not, nor will you ever be, an Australian. You are an invader, and you are at present being only barely tolerated. Now lets see if we get a day free from a report of another misguided muslim murdering some non-muslim person!!

Kaw,
There is a difference between spiritual truth, scientific reality and
the daily existence.
the first demands faith, revelation and guidance,
the second hard work, study and time,
the third awareness, caution and activity.
all the comments are in general so you are right that one can’t
categorize in short summaries with too many variables.
If you don’t have faith you will conclude that God is a human concept
and interpretation and an open-ended question, unless… one has the
REAL experience, the indwelling of YHWH Ruach, the charismas and
the ability to divide the word properly and convey it correctly.
one can’t expect that from the ordinary religionists.

SM,
We Muslims have the Sufis who emphasize search for spiritual truth.The Ruh .The search to know who God is (ma’rifat ).HIS 99 attributes are guidance towards Divine truth on His Essence and Existence which the Sufis share with scientists and ordinary religionists.These are the people with experience but they do not monopolise that experience and knowledge.Many of them are also scientists.

We have the scientists dealing with scientific realities hence, the discovery of a little of God’s immense creations.These discoveries fortify their beliefs in God and the scientists share their knowledge with others the ordinary religionists .Many of them are also sufis.

As for daily existence, such as having families, working for living running the country, carrying out social responsibilities ; are carried out by all, the Sufis, the scientists, the imams, and the ordinary religionists.

I am not driving all these into anyone’s throat and I am not saying these
are better than what you believed You and your beliefs and me with my belief.Simple!

SC,
It seems i get inbetween scientific and religious interpretations.
What i talked about is more dimensional; most people are most
of the time existing, others are more realistically existing and
others are living the truth, of course there are mixtures as you
pointed out.
Still what many people consider to be “spiritual” is a mix of theosophy,
philosophy and religious tradition.
What i talk about is; Faith in YHWH through Yeshuwa by the in-
dwelling of the Ruach with the working of the charismas and its
guidance which confirms the real experiences in word,spirit and truth.
As stated before everyone is free to believe what he/she wants,
it wont matter; the anti-christ will do away with All religions and put
his cult instead of all creeds.
Only YHWH in form of Yehoshuwa Ha Mosiach will destroy it and
institute real divine reign on earth during one thousand years.

SC
YHM (hebrew) is refered to as Jesus in english,
still the biblical jesus and quranical isa limit the
real YHWH manifestation because of human
restrictional interpretation.
anti-christ is the personification of satan in a human being
who will be the sole world dictator.
After 1000 years reign the non-believers will rebel (under
satan’s influence) again, which will result in the final war
and the total annihilation of all the unbelievers and the end
of heaven and earth and the creation of the new heaven and
the new earth.

Surah Ibrahim (14:48 )
[It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah , the One, the Prevailing.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And mention, the day when the earth will be changed to other than the earth and the heavens, namely, the Day of Resurrection: mankind shall be gathered onto a white clear earth, as [reported] in the hadÄ«th of the two Shaykhs [al-BukhÄrÄ« and Muslim]. Muslim relates the following hadÄ«th: ‘The Prophet (s) was asked, “Where will people be on that day?” He said, “On the Bridge (sirÄt)” ’; and they shall come forth, they shall exit from [their] graves, to God, the One, the Almighty.

Greetings SC,
In the biblical eschatology the Day of Resurrection for the believers is sooner (before the Millenium ) than the one for the unbelievers, which is before the New Earth/New heaven, after the last war.
(The war before the 1000 years reign is not the last one).

As one can see, mohammed was not particularly original when it wrote the quran. In my school it would have be suspended for plagiarism. History is filled with soothsayers and predictors of doom so much of what is above can be found in other cultures and different religions . It is part of the human condition, a leverage of imagination and fantasy to create a sustaining belief – called faith.

they have freedoom of charging interest thru mortgages, and if the head of the family is struck with a calamity… the freedoom of throwing whole family on the street (what a brotherly freedoom)

they have freedoom of honoring women thru porn and prooosteeetution.

their celebrities even have the freedoom of taking drugs and no this freedoom doesn’t ruin anyone lives

and heck ….

… their men have freedoom of discussing, how b.spears or maddona looks, what do they eat, what do they like dislike, which tooth they had removed, which ear of theirs is infested with wax, and how many hairs they have on each eyebrow …. and yea…. how can we spend thousands in buying their spitted chewing gum on ebayyy…

and at the bottom of all of this … the freedoom of bowing and kneeling to the ‘top elite’ ‘rhetoric’ ‘public opinion’ in reality the ‘creation’ rather than THE ‘ONE WHO CREATED them’

SC
Jerusalem hellinistic version? in the koine greek it would be Hierousalem, Ierusalem is latin.
eIrenepolis would be Jerusalem translated in greek, meaning
City (of) Peace, the original Yerushalayim is semitic (hebrew) too.
Darusalem means house of peace.
Both are not paradise, that’s too allegorical.
Gan eden/paradeisos are not referred to in both texts.
the first one refers specifically to Jerusalem during the Millennium.
the second one is in general (too common).
The Isaiah text does not sound like a prediction of doom at all,
it points to the future of the city during the 1000 year reign,
it is not a fantasy or imagination, it is a prophecy.
Without Faith one can’t believe it and will regard it as a human saying.
You believe it or you don’t. your choice.

Jerusalem is Latin version adopted by King James Bible, hence the use of “J” in Jerusalem, Jesus ,Jehovah etc.If the translators stick to the original version or try to stick to original version( after all it is supposed to be an original holy Book ) then the “y” should be retained.Translating not in accordance to the original is also plagiarism. Adhering, praying and practicing to messages not in
its original form and substance is not only plagiarism but hypocrisy.

I will not want to go into it but I can prove that the Quran does not copy.Messages on the sciences and accurate evidence of creation of Heavens and Earths are in abundance .Quran, unlike the Bible has no problem with scientific explainations and it is able to counter atheists
stand on nature’s self creation. Quoting Prophet Solomon’s “message”
that it is impossible to know God’s creations and some saying that science is just estimation are excuses that does not hold currency in the light of today’s level of scientific knowledge.

Darusalem is” House of Peace’.Peace and harmony prevail amongst dwellers of the “earth” and the ‘house ” in the hereafter in an “abode” called paradise.Eden and Firdause are among the many “paradises” God created for believers to each according to their levels of beliefs and deeds.Similarly there are many types of hell, to suit the many types of misdeeds, including contaminating and changing the original contents of God’s messages in Taurat ( old testament ), Injil( New testament ) and Quran(Final testament ).

However, “You and your religion’ and’ I and my religion”.There is only
one truth.
Quran :Sajadah :25 )
Indeed your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ (in matters of beliefs in religion )

BAPTISM
The word ‘Baptism’ comes from the Greek ‘Baptein’ which means ‘to plunge, to immerse, or to wash.’ It was an ancient custom to wash or to make ablution. Islam has preserved this tradition in the form of ablution and ritual Ghusl for the purpose of purification purpose. Allah mentions in the Qur’an that He made water a source for purification. Allah Almighty says: “And He it is Who sendeth the winds, glad tidings heralding His mercy, and We send down purifying water from the sky.” (Al-Furqan: 48)

Like all other Prophets of Allah, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, also washed himself to purify himself. During his time Yahya (John, the Baptist) used to call people to repent and purify themselves in the River Jordan. It is mentioned that Jesus also went to him and took a bath of purification (Mark 1:9-11).

After that Allah appointed Jesus as His Prophet and Messenger and he began preaching Allah’s Message. Jesus was a servant of Allah. He used to pray and for his prayers he must be purifying himself.

Jews in his time also used to do a lot of ritual washings. The Old Testament speaks a lot about the use of water for the purpose of purification. (See Numbers 19:1-22; Leviticus 14-15-16:24-28)

After Jesus left this world, Paul became a leader of some Christians. It was he who gave a new interpretation of Jesus’ Baptism. He told them that when a person takes a Baptism in water, actually he immerses himself in Jesus’ blood and dies with him and then he is resurrected like Jesus into a new person. (See Romans 6:3-4).

Paul gave a new definition of Baptism. For him it was something to do with Original Sin and then the alleged death and resurrection of Jesus. (See Colossians 2:12)

For Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, and his followers the Baptism was just a bath or ablution to purify themselves physically, ritually and spiritually, but with Pauline interpretation it became a symbol of belief in Jesus’ so-called death and resurrection.

We, as Muslims, accept the early tradition and that is what Islam has preserved and reaffirmed. We do not accept the later interpretation and doctrinal aberrations.”

SC,
Ierusalem is latin=Jerusalem in several other western languages.
The word of YHWH stands in any language, nobody has to worry
about the original hebrew, aramaic and greek.
Smith Wigglesworth was an english christian who could bearly express
himself in english, but had a better understanding of scriptures than
the learned scholars of his day.
Don’t try to explain all science by scriptures, it can’t be done.
Science is to changeable anyway.
no one (in this life) will know or understand the REAL scientific truth.
nor will non-believers find out in the after-life.
You can divert what you want; paradise was not mentioned in the two texts quoted. the first text is a prophecy the second one is a general statement.
Tenach (old testament), new testament, quran (final testament),
book of mormon (another final testament) new age literature
(other final final testaments) and so on.
truth is by the Spirit of YHWH which must be in accordance with
scripture and must be experienced as well as revealed.
You your religion, i my religion?
Religion can not save you; you got to have a personal relationship with YHWH through the Spirit.
If you want to wait for the final judgment and the resurrection you will
be too late, first resurrection will take place before Millennium, the
second one after the last war.

SC
The greek word for bautism is baptizo.
The baptism of repentance was already preached by John the baptist,
Yeshua was baptized by John to fullfill righteousness
Yeshua said “you got to born of water and spirit”.
the disciples were baptizing before Paul became a christian.
baptism is an act of obedience not a “condition” to be saved.
People are baptised as a sign of being saved.
So paul did not give a new definition but added a new description of it.
jews and muslims and many christians are stuck by tradition and
the letter of the law, which kills, the spirit of the word makes alive.

Just like in Christianity, we the Muslims also believe in the Holy spirit, however so our belief in the Holy spirit is quite different than the Christian belief on this matter. However so who is the Holy spirit that the Quran often refers to? :

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

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YUSUFALI: Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’

So who exactly is the Holy Spirit? Let us consult Ibn Kathir’s tafsir:

Jibril is Ruh Al-Qudus

The proof that Jibril is the Ruh Al-Qudus is the statement of Ibn Mas`ud in explanation of this Ayah. This is also the view of Ibn `Abbas, Muhammad bin Ka`b, Isma`il bin Khalid, As-Suddi, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, `Atiyah Al-`Awfi and Qatadah. Additionally, Allah said,

(Which the trustworthy Ruh (Jibril) has brought down. Upon your heart (O Muhammad ) that you may be (one) of the warners) (26:193-194).

Al-Bukhari recorded `A’ishah saying that the Messenger of Allah erected a Minbar in the Masjid on which Hassan bin Thabit (the renowned poet) used to defend the Messenger of Allah (with his poems). The Messenger of Allah said,

Abu Dawud recorded this Hadith in his Sunan as did At-Tirmidhi who graded it Hasan Sahih. Further, Ibn Hibban recorded in his Sahih that Ibn Mas`ud said that the Prophet said,

(Ruh Al-Qudus informed me that no soul shall die until it finishes its set provisions and term limit. Therefore, have Taqwa of Allah and seek your sustenance in the most suitable way.)

Reminding `Isa of the Favors that Allah Granted him

Allah mentions how He blessed His servant and Messenger, `Isa, son of Maryam, and the miracles and extraordinary acts He granted him. Allah said,

(Remember My favor to you) when I created you from your mother, without male intervention, and made you a sign and clear proof of My perfect power over all things. d

(And to your mother) when I made you testify to her chastity and you thus absolved her from the sin that the unjust, ignorant liars accused her of,

(when I supported you with Ruh – il-Qudus) the angel Jibril, and made you a Prophet, calling to Allah in the cradle and manhood. I made you speak in the cradle, and you testified that your mother was free from any immoral behavior, and you proclaimed that you worship Me. You also conveyed the news of My Message and invited them to worship Me.

And also here is what one Sheikh writes concerning this matter:

Praise be to Allaah.

The “Holy Spirit” (Rooh al-Qudus) is Jibreel (peace be upon him). Shaykh al-Shanqeeti said: “The words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning), ?and [We] supported him with Rooh al-Qudus’ [al-Baqarah 2:87] refer to Jibreel according to the most sound view. This is indicated by the words (interpretation of the meaning): ?Which the trustworthy Rooh has brought down’ [al-Shu’ara’ 26:193] and ?then We sent to her our Rooh’ [Maryam 19:17].”

This view is supported by the above and by the report narrated by the two Shaykhs [al-Bukhaari and Muslim] with their isnaads from Abu Salamah ibn ?Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ?Awf, that he heard Hassaan ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari asking Abu Hurayrah to bear witness, “I ask you by Allaah, did you hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ?O Hassaan, respond on behalf of the Messenger of Allaah. O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus’?” Abu Hurayrah said, “Yes.”

(al-Tafseer al-Masboor by Dr. Hikmat Basheer, 1/192-193)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: the majority of scholars said that this refers to Jibreel (peace be upon him), and that Allaah called him al-Rooh al-Ameen, Rooh al-Qudus and Jibreel.”

(Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 1, p. 310)

He wrote an entire chapter on that and said:

Chapter on the meaning of Rooh al-Qudus:

Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning):

“O ?Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”

[al-Maa’idah 5:110]

Allaah supported the Messiah (peace be upon him) with Rooh al-Qudus as He mentions in this aayah. In al-Baqarah Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We gave ?Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]

[al-Baqarah 2:87]

“Those Messengers! We preferred some of them to others; to some of them AllÃ¢h spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ?Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)]”

[al-Baqarah 2:253]

This is not limited only to the Messiah; others were also supported in this way. (The scholars) mentioned that Dawood said, “Do not stop supporting me with Rooh al-Qudus.” And our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Hassaan ibn Thaabit, “O Allaah, support him with Rooh al-Qudus.” According to another report: “Rooh al-Qudus will be with you so long as you are defending His Prophet.” Both versions are narrated in al-Saheeh.

According to the Christians, the “Holy Spirit” dwelt in the Disciples, and according to them the “Holy Spirit” is something experienced by all of the Prophets. But Allaah says in al-Nahl (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad) Rooh ul Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur’aan) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe, and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allaah as Muslims)”

[al-Nahl 16:102]

“Which the trustworthy Rooh [Jibreel (Gabriel)] has brought down

Upon your heart (O Muhammad)”

[al-Shu’ara’ 26:193]

“Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel (Gabriel) (let him die in his fury), for indeed he has brought it (this Qur’aan) down to your heart”

[al-Baqarah 2:97]

So it is clear that Rooh al-Qudus here refers to Jibreel. No one suggests that Rooh al-Qudus means the life of Allaah; nor is this indicated by the wording and this phrase is never used in that sense.

Daqaa’iq al-Tafseer, part 2, p. 92

So it is a consensus among Islamic Scholarship that the Holy Spirit is Jibreel, and this isn’t just a mere opinion, the Islamic texts and sources prove this fact, the scholars didn’t just make it up. For instance the Quran says this concerning the Holy Spirit:

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YUSUFALI: Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

So the Holy spirit has brought down the Quran to the prophet Muhammad, this is non other than the angel Jibreel, this is what the Quran says concerning Jibreel:

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YUSUFALI: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

So as you can see the Holy spirit can be non other than the angel Jibreel, the Holy spirit brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers, the angel Jibreel brings down the revelation which strengthens and guides the believers! Hence the Holy Spirit is Jibreel and Jibreel is the Holy spirit!

So in conclusion the Holy Spirit in Islam is not God, nor a semi-God, the Holy Spirit in Islam is non other than the angel Jibreel.

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Sorry, the RUACH YHWH is not the ruach qadim nor the angel
Gabriel; on the same premise of sole oneness it excludes this YHWH
manifestation and lower it to angelical level.
Gabriel is just the #3 ranked angel.
I am not impressed by biblical, quranical, veda, buddhist quotations
and quasi literature that follows an agenda in order to fit human made
religion. If you don’t have the Spirit you don’t belong to YHWH, if you
want to follow the majority in whatever imitation of what is suppose
to be the reasonable service (Faith in YHWH), you go right ahead,
but you won’t be part of the Qahal YHWH, as said before more than 6 billion people won’t make it in.
To believe in the holy spirit is not enough, Ruach YHWH has to indwel
(baptism/bautismo in the Spirit) and inspire, reveal, lead, guide and administer by charisma a person according to the Scriptures.
If you have not experienced this, than you can’t really understand.
Isa and maryam are not Yeshua and miriam, and gabriel is not Ruach
YHWH, the problem with all world-religions is that they are too restrictive and are diminishing YHWH.
anyway, it is everybody’s choice to believe something… or not.
Muhammed and joseph smith and many others did not pass the Micha test (even evil king Ahab didn’t fail it) and they accepted other gospels from angels resulting in what is contrary to Scripture.

1) What is the name of your creed? if there is a name to it.Are you one of the 490 sects in Judea- Christianity? Or the normal question is to which church do you belong and which version of the bible do you pray with?

2) Or you do not have a book/literature at all? Or it is just sufficient for you to be baptised and get that experience you mentioned.But you said “and inspire, reveal, lead, guide and administer by charisma a person according to the SCRIPTURES. You refer to book.

3)RUACH YHWH,is it the Holy Spirit in the bible,yet you do not seem to agree too much with the bible.

4) Gabriel is just the #3 ranked angel.
Who is no 1 and 2? Mikail? Because he gives only glad tidings?

God has, by His decree, preserved the last representatives from both lines of Abraham for the establishment of His Kingdom. At the end of time, He will bring Imam al-Mahdi and Prophet Jesus together for the fulfillment of His plan.

We are told that Jesus will descend to the earth soon after the appearance of the Mahdi; he will join the Mahdi in establishing the Kingdom of God on earth; and he will pray behind Imam al-Mahdi. The true Christians will follow Jesus in accepting Imam al-Mahdi as the leader at the time and become Muslims.

And they made a move, and Allah made a move. And Allah is the best of those who make moves (3:54) When Allah said: ‘O Isa, I am to take you in full and raise you towards Myself, and cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and place those who follow you above those who disbelieve, upto the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in what you have been differing in. (3:55)

Commentary

In these verses the miraculous event of the Ascension of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ) has been mentioned. “And they made a move” refers to the evil designs of the Jews who planned to arrest him and to get him crucified.

The next sentence i.e. “and Allah made a move” refers to the plan designed by Allah Almighty to save his prophet Isa from their ill designs. They sent one of them to Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) to arrest him and Allah changed his face totally and made him resemble Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and raised Sayyidna Isa to heavens, while that person was crucified under the mistaken identity. How Allah had planned to save Isa (alayh issalam) from their clutches was disclosed to him when his enemies came to arrest him.

Explanation of important words in the verse

Some sects which deny, contrary to the belief of the entire Muslim community, the Ascension of Sayyidna Isa (Jesus Christ), his being alive in the heavens and his descension towards the later times, have worked through the words and meanings of these verses to open doors of distortion in the Qur’anic text. Therefore, it seems appropriate that these words be explained in some details.

Let us begin with “wallaahu khairul maakireen” translated as “and Allah is the best of those who make moves”. The word, makr in Arabic denotes a subtle and secret move or plan. If this is for a good purpose, it is good; and if this is for a bad purpose, it is bad. It was why the restriction of saiyy (evil) was placed with makr (move, plan) in 35:43.

The Qur’anic word, makr, is used exclusively for conspiracy, evil plan, and strategy in the everyday idiom of the Urdu language (in which this commentary was originally written), therefore, it should not be equated with the Arabic usage. This is the reason why Allah has been called “khairul maakireen”.

The verse means that the Jews started making a series of conspiracies and secret schemes against Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) going to the limit of convincing the ruler of the time that he was a heretic (God forbid) all bent upon changing the Torah and was going to make apostates of everybody. The ruler ordered the arrest of Sayyidna Isa. While this was the scene on one side, the subtle and secret move made by Allah Almighty was countering their evil plans more effectively, which has been mentioned in the verses coming next.

The word mutawaffi in “innee mutawaffeeka” takes tawaffi as its verbal noun with its root being wafyun. Lexically, the word means “to take in full”. This being its real meaning, its derivations wafa, ifa, and istifa are used to convey that sense. In fact, the real meaning of tawaffi is “to take in full” which is universally confirmed by all lexicons of the Arabic language. Since man completes his appointed time at the hour of death and the spirit or soul given by Allah is taken back fully and conclusively, it is in that context that this word is also used figuratively in the sense of death. A simple form of death is the daily sleep of human beings. For this too, the Holy Qur’an uses the same word when it says:

“Allah takes away lives of the living at the time of their death and of those that do not die, in their sleep.”

Hafiz Ibn Taimiyyah says in al-Jawab al-Sahih (v. 2, p. 83):

“Al-tawaffi, in the Arabic language, means: to exact fully or take in full. It takes three forms; the first: to take in sleep; the second: to take in death; and the third: to take the soul and the body all together.”

In Kulliyat Abu al-Baqa, it is said:

“Al-tawaffi is putting to death and exacting of the soul in common usage while, in the classical usage, it is taking in full and the exacting of the due right.”

Therefore, the majority of scholars have translated the word mutawaffika in the verse under study in the sense of “taking in full”. This means that Allah will not leave Sayyidna Isa in the hands of the Jews, rather He would take him away which would be in the form that he would be risen unto Him in the heavens.

This is how the words “I am to take you in full” have been interpreted by the majority of the scholars. However, some authentic comentators of the Holy Qur’an have interpreted these words in the sense of “giving death” also, but they do not mean that the death of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will occur at the hands of his enemies. The true meaning of the verse, according to these commentators is as follows:

Allah Almighty said two things to comfort Jesus at a time when the Jews were bent on killing him. One: That his death will come, not at their hands in the form of killing, but that it would be a natural death. Two: In order to rescue him from the evil designs of those people, Allah Almighty will, at that time, raise Jesus towards Him. This explanation is exactly what has been reported from Sayyidna Ibn Abbas (radiyallahu anh) as quoted by al-Suyuti in his al-Durr al-Manthur v. 2, p. 36 on the authority of several narrators.

The gist of this tafsir or explanation is that tawaffi does mean giving death, but there is the element of precedence and sequence in the words used. The fact of raafi’uka (I shall raise you) will come first and that of mutawaffika (I shall give you death) later. Now at this point, the wisdom behind mentioning the phenomenon of the earlier lies in the hint that it gives about the events which are to come later on. It means that raising towards Allah will not last forever; it would be temporary and then, he would return to the mortal world and prevail over enemies and later on, death will come to him in a natural way.

Thus, the event of his return from heaven and his death after having established his victory in the world was not only a miracle but a consummation of the honour and integrity of Jesus (alayh issalam). In addition to that, the unfounded Christian belief in the divinity of Jesus was also refuted. Had it not been so, the event of Jesus being raised towards the heavens alive would have further strengthened their false belief that he too was Living and Eternal like Allah. Therefore, by introducing the word mutawaffika (pointing out to his death) first, all those misconceptions which might have arisen from “raising of Jesus” have been refuted in advance.

The reality is that disbelievers and polytheists have always been vehemently opposed to prophets (alayhim issalam). And parallel to that there has been the customary practice of Allah – when a people unto whom a prophet has been sent stick to their own opinion, do not listen to the prophet and do not believe in him even after having witnessed the miracles, then, one of the following two counter-actions were taken: Either those people were annihilated through some natural calamity as was done with Ad and Thamud and the peoples of Prophets Lut and Salih (alayhim assalam); or, alternatively Allah would instruct His prophet to migrate from the habitat of disbelievers and go to some other place. It was there that they were provided with such power and glory that they finally achieved victory against the people whom they were sent to. For example, Prophet Ibrahim, (alayh issalam) migrated from Iraq and sought refuge in Syria. Similarly, Prophet Musa (Moses) (alayh issalam), migrated from Egypt and came to Madyan. Finally, the Last Prophet, Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) migrated from Makkah and came to Madinah. It was from there that he finally attacked Makkah and conquered it. This raising of Jesus to the heavens to outmaneuver the threatening designs of the Jews was, in fact, an act of emigration in its own way, following which he would return to this world and achieve total victory over the Jews.

Now comes the question as to why this emigration of his, quite separate from the rest, has the heavens as the destination? So, for that matter, Allah Almighty has Himself said about him that his case is like that of Adam (alayh issalam). The way in which Adam’s birth differs from the normal birth of the rest of creation, (i.e., without a father and a mother) so it is that the birth of Jesus took a miraculous form different from the normal birth of human beings; and his death too, taking a unique and unmatched form, will materialize after hundreds of years following his return to the world — unprecedented indeed. Why then, should one be surprised if his emigration too follows some such unique pattern?

These marvels of nature led the ignorant among Christians into believing and declaring that he was God, while deliberation into the various aspects of these very marvels, are clear proofs of his servitude as a human being to God, obedience to the Divine will and the demonstration of human traits. It is for this reason that the Holy Qur’an has made a pointed reference to the refutation of belief in the Godhood of Jesus on all such occasions. The raising towards the heavens would have made this doubt all the more strong. Therefore, by bringing the word mutawaffika (I am to take you in full) earlier, this doubt was totally eliminated. Thus we come to realize that this verse, no doubt, aims at negating the Jewish plans since they were all set to crucify and kill Jesus, (alayh issalam), and that Allah Almighty made their plans come to nothing. Moreover, this precedence and sequence of words became the mode of refuting the Christians as well that Jesus was no God who was never to die but that a time will come when he too will meet his death.

In his Tafsir Imam al-Razi has said that such precedence and sequence occurs frequently in the noble Qur’an in order to cover similar expedient considerations under which an event due later has been mentioned first while an event due earlier has been placed after that. (al-Tafsir al-Kabir, v. 2, p.48)

As for raafi’uka ilayya (And I shall raise you towards Me), the meaning is clear. Addressing Jesus here, it has been said: “I shall raise you towards Me”. Every one knows that Jesus is not the name of just the spirit but that of the spirit and the body of Jesus. Now taking the raising of Jesus in the sense that the act of raising was spiritual only, and not physical, is all wrong. As far as the word, raf’ (raising) is concerned, there are occasions when it is also used to indicate raising of ranks as it appears in the following verses of the noble Qur’an:

“Rafa’a ba’dakum fawqa ba’din darajaatin” (6:165)

“…and raised some of you in ranks over others.”

“Yarfa’illahullazeena aamanoo minkum wallazeena ootul’ilma” (58:11)

“…and Allah will raise up in rank those of you who believe and those who have been given knowledge.”

So, it is obvious that the word, raf’ : raising, in the sense of the raising of rank or status has been used figuratively in view of the context of the aforementioned verses. There is no reason here to ignore the real meaning and go by that which is figurative. Moreover, by using the word, ila (towards) alongwith the word, raf’ (raising), at this particular place, the possibility of such a figurative meaning has been totally eliminated. What is said in this verse is raafi’uka ilayya: I shall raise you towards Me. Then there is the verse from Surah al-Nisa (4:158), which refutes the belief of Jews; there too, what was said is “wa maa qataloohu yaqeenan barrafa’ahullahu ilayhi” that is, the Jews certainly did not kill Jesus, instead, Allah raised him towards Himself. This later expression is used for nothing but the raising alive of the spirit and the body.

Explained this far were the words of the verse.

Allah Almighty’s Five Promises to Jesus

In the verse under reference, Allah Almighty made five promises to Isa (alayh issalam) vis-a-vis the Jews:

1. The first promise was that his death will not come at the hands of the Jews through killing. It will be a natural death coming at its appointed time and that appointed time will come close to the Day of Doom, when Isa (alayh issalam) will come down from the heavens onto the earth as reported in details in sound ahadith transmitted through unbroken chains, part of which will appear later.

2. The second promise was to raise him towards the heavens in the existing situation. This was fulfilled right then. The report of this fulfillment was given in Surah al-Nisa (4:158) by saying:

3. The third promise was: “wa mutahhiruka minallazeena kafaroo”, that is, to have him cleansed of false accusations brought on him by his enemies. That promise was fulfilled when the last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) came and refuted all false accusations of the Jews. For instance, the Jews threw slanders on the parentage of Sayyidnaa Isa (alayh issalam) because of his having been born without a father. The noble Qur’an refuted this slander by declaring that he was born without a father because such was the power and will of Allah. And that too does not call for much of a surprise. More surprising is the birth of Adam since he was born without both a father and a mother.

The Jews accused Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) of claiming to be God. There are many verses in the noble Qur’an in which, contrary to this accusation, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) has been reported to have publicly confessed his being human and a servant and bondsman of Allah.

4. The fourth promise appears in “wajaa’ilullazeenattaba’ooka fawqallazeena kafaroo” (and placed those who follow you above those who disbelieve) which means that his followers will be made to overcome those who deny and oppose him. This promise was fulfilled in the sense that following here means the belief in and confession of the prophethood of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). The belief in and the practice of all injunctions ascribed to him is not a pre-condition. Thus the Christians and the Muslims both fall in this category as they believe in the prophethood and messengership of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). However, this is a different matter that holding this much of belief is not enough to bring forth salvation in the Hereafter. Instead, the salvation in the Hereafter depends on believing in all injunctions brought by Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). One of the instructions given by Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was that his followers should believe and have faith in the last of the Prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), who would come after Jesus departs. The Christians did not follow this instruction in matters of faith and belief, therefore, they deprived themselves of salvation in the Hereafter while Muslims acted in accordance with that too, therefore, they became deserving of salvation in the Hereafter. But, part of the promise which relates to having dominant authority over Jews was dependent on the prophethood of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) only. That dominance in the world has always been the fate of Christians and Muslims vis-a-vis the Jews, and surely, so shall it be through the Day of Judgement.

From the time when Allah Almighty made this promise right upto now, it has always been the case that the Christians and Muslims have dominated the Jews. The world has seen the establishment of their empires. The existence of the present state of Israel cannot make the truth of this position doubtful for several reasons. To begin with, and in reality, this state is no more than a manifestation of the military might of Russia and the Christians of Euro-American origin which they have established and maintained against Muslims. As soon as Russia, America and countries of Europe withdraw their patronage, the world will itself witness the instant collapse of this state and its disappearance from the map of the world. Therefore, people who can see the reality do realise the actual position of Israel or the Government of the Jews. It is by no means a manifestation of the domination of Jews. If, just for the sake of argument, it is taken to be their own state, even then, who would – in his right frame of mind – deny that, given the totality of Christians and Muslims, they are wielders of lesser influence and are much subjugated with fear. Even if we were to leave this aspect aside, we know that a temporary domination by the Jews close to the Day of Judgement has been reported in the authentic reports of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Now if this world is destined to exist for any considerable period of time and if the Day of Judgement is close, that domination too is not contrary to the reports which Muslims consider authentic. Moreover, such short-lived occupation cannot be given the name of a state or government especially when it is based on a conspiracy hatched by the Christians and the communists.

5. The fifth promise, that of giving a decision in respect of such conflicts in faith on the Day of Judgement will certainly be fulfilled on its appointed time as it has been indicated in the verse:

“Thumma ilayya marji’ukum fa’ahkumu baynakum” (3:55)

“Then, to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you.”

JESUS: The question of his life and second coming:

The Jews are the only people in the world who say that Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was crucified, killed and buried following which he never returned to life. What happened really and truly has been clarified in verse 158 of Surah al-Nisa in the Holy Qur’an. Then, in “makaroo wamakarallahu” (And they made a move, and Allah made a move) of the present verse, it has been pointed out that Allah Almighty made the sinister move of the enemies of Isa recoil upon those who had gone into the house to kill Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam). It was one of them that Allah Almighty changed to look exactly like Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and then He raised Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) alive onto the heavens. The words of the verse are as follows:

“Wamaa qataloohu wamaa salaboohu walaakin shubbiha lahum” (4:157)

“And they did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but they were deluded by resemblance.”

Details regarding this will appear under the commentary on Surah al-Nisa.

The Christians said that Jesus was, no doubt, killed on the cross but was brought back to life once again and raised onto the heavens. The verse under reference has refuted this false notion as well. It is stressed here that similar to the Jews who were rejoicing after killing their own man, the Christians fell a victim to the same mistaken identity by believing that it was Jesus who got killed on the Cross, and as such, the Christians too became the victims of mistaken identity. This is obvious from the Qur’anic statement shubbiha lahum (they were deluded by resemblance) just like the Jews were deceived by mistaken identity.

As opposed to the view of these two groups, there is the Islamic belief, stated here in this verse and in several other verses clearly, which says that Allah Almighty raised him alive onto the heavens in order to rescue him from the Jews. He was not to be killed and he was not to be crucified. He is in the heavens alive and it will be close to the Day of Judgement when he shall come down from the heavens, lead the Muslims to victory over the Jews, and finally, he will die a natural death.

There is a consensus of the entire Muslim community on this belief. Hafiz ibn Hajr, in his Talkhis al-Habir, has reported this consensus (page 319). This belief, and the consensus of the community on it, stands proved on the authority of several verses of the Holy Qur’an and reports from mutawatir ahadith transmitted through an unbroken chain of reporting. However, this is not the place for its detailed discussion, and not necessary either. The reason being that scholars of the community have already taken up this question in special books with full clarity giving detailed answers to those who dispute in the Ascension of the Christ. For instance, the Arabic work, Aqidatu l’Islam fi Hayati Isa (alayh issalam) by Hujjatu l’Islam Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Anwar Shah al-Kashmiri, Hayat-e-Isa (alayh issalam), (the Life of Jesus) in Urdu by Hadrat Maulana Badr Alam Muhajir Madani, Hayat-e-Masih (alayh issalam) in Urdu by Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Idris and hundreds of other books or essays dealing with this question have been widely published and circulated. While carrying out the orders of his respected teacher, Maulana Sayyid Muhammad Anwar Shah al-Kashmiri, this writer had collected more than one hundred mutawatir ahadith identified by him which prove in an undeniable manner that Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) was raised alive and that he will return close to the Day of Judgement. This collection in book form and entitled, Al-Tasrih bima Tawatara fi Nuzul al-Masih has been recently published from Beirut with marginal notes and commentary by Allama Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghudah, a revered scholar of Allepo, Syria.

“There are ahadith from the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), narrated in an uninterrupted succession, that he proclaimed the coming of Isa (alayh issalam) before the Day of Judgement as a just leader.

At this stage I would like to draw the attention of the reader to a point which, if noticed even with a small measure of sanity and justice, would leave no room for any doubt regarding this question. The point is that in the eleventh section of Surah al-Imran, Allah Almighty while referring to past prophets deemed it sufficient to refer to prophets Adam, Nuh, Al-Ibrahim (the family of Ibrahim) and Al-Imran (the family of Imran) briefly in one single verse. After that, it was in nearly three sections and twenty two verses that reference was made to Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) and his family with meticulous detail – something which has not been made in that manner even in respect of the Last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) to whom the Qur’an was revealed. Note the detailed mention of the grandmother of Jesus, her pledge, the birth of his mother, her name, her upbringing, the conceiving of Jesus by his mother then the detailed narrative of his birth, followed by the description of what his mother ate and drank, after child birth, her return to the family with the newborn child, their blames and curses, first the gift of eloquence to the new born as his miracle, then his growing up and call to his people, opposition faced and the help of disciples, the hostile attempts by the Jews to trap and kill him, his being raised alive onto the heavens – then complete details of his additional traits, his looks, physique, dress and its likes – these are accounts which have not been taken up in the whole spectrum of the Qur’an and Hadith in respect of any prophet or messenger with that much of detail. This point is an open invitation to everyone to think as to why did this happen and what was the wisdom behind it.

Even a moment’s reflection here makes it clear that the Last of the prophets (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), being the final prophet and messenger with no apostle to come after him, took special care to guide his community about conditions that it was going to face right through the Day of Judgement. He therefore, took upon himself to identity those who would be worthy of the community’s following. He, as a matter of principle, described them with a profile of their general qualities. There were other blessed people whom he identified by name and emphatically asked the community to follow them. Other than these, he also marked out the astray and the deviating who posed a danger to the faith of the community.

Of the mischief-makers who were to come after the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) the most notorious was Dajjal (the anti-Christ) the imposter of the Messiah, whose disturbing wickedness was terribly deviation-prone. Therefore, the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) related many details of his profile, attending conditions and distinguishing traits, so that there remains no room for the community to doubt about his being a mischief monger whenever he appears. Similarly, among the later day religious reformers and power-worthy elders, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) is the most distinguished whom Allah Almighty blessed with the station of prophethood, kept him alive in the heavens to come to the rescue of the Muslim community during the wicked period of Dajjal (anti-Christ) and appointed him to kill Dajjal close to the Day of Judgement. This is why it was deemed necessary that the community should be given the most clear indications of his person and qualities as well, so that no human being remains in doubt while identifying Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) when he comes, the second time.

There are many elements of wisdom in this treatment.

Firstly, should the community find it difficult to identify Isa (Jesus Christ) (alayh issalam), the very purpose of his coming will be negated. If the Muslim community will not identify and cooperate with him, how could he help and support them? Secondary, although Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will not come into the world at that time designated as Prophet, but he would come to lead the Muslim community as the Khalifa (viceregent) of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), the personal station of prophethood that he has will not be taken from him. Instead, he would be like the governor of a province or state who continues to hold that position even if he has gone out to visit some other province or state for some reason. Therefore, even though he is not as a governor in that province, the office of the governorship has not been ipso facto taken away from him. Similary, Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will not be without his attribute of prophethood at that time, and the way the rejection of his prophethood was infidelity earlier, so infidelity it shall be at that time. Now the Muslim community which has already nursed and shown its faith in his prophethood as based on the guidance of the Qur’an would fall into the grievous error of rejection, if it fails to recognize him when he comes. So, clarifying his signs and attributes in a greater measure was extremely necessary.

Thirdly, since the event of the coming of Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) will take place towards the later years of this mortal world, chances were – given the ambiguity in his marks of identification that some other person could come up with the claim of being Messiah, the son of Mary, in which case, these indicators will serve well to refute and reject any such claim. This is what happened in pre-partition India where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian claimed that he was the promised Messiah. The scholars of the Muslim community refuted his claim on the basis of these very cited indicators.

In short, here and at other places, the very fact of such detailed description concerning Sayyidna Isa (alayh issalam) is in itself indicating that his reappearance is due close to the Day of Judgement and that he would return to the world. This humble writer has taken up this subject in full details in his Urdu treatise entitled Masih Maw’ud ki pahchan (Identifying the Promised Messiah) which may be consulted for these details.

1) The Gathering of Yahweh is universal and not depending on the religional denominations. christians are closest to it, still jews and
muslims depend too much on self-justification.

2)In general the parts of old and new testaments and with other parts that are in accordance with eachother spiritually discerned by the
YHWH Ruach through the charisma, prayer, guidance, revelation,
inspiration and induction.

3)There are no perfect books; all have contaminations, no book is the
entire inspired word of YHWH; new testament has most inspired texts,
but it is in no way TOTALLY inspired by YHWH; “pasa graphe Theo-
pneutos kai ophelimos pros..” = every (not all) GOD-inspired scripture and profitable for..

4) YHWH in angel form; 1.Malak YHWH 2. Archangel Michael.
Michael is the one leading the heavenly host in heavenly warfare. Gabriel is more the messenger, who can be used to test humans
(see last comment; correction; Micha=Micaiah).

About your last comment; all religions are awaiting someone to return;
christians: jesus, catholics; the high-priest, jews; the messiah, muslims; (shia) al- mahdi, hindus;brahman, buddhists; buddha, new age; the
maitreya. All will accept the Vicarus Lucifer (satan’s replacement) as
the one they expect. only real believers won’t be deceived.
YHWH will return in form of Yehoshuwa ha Moschiach first for the
real believers in the sky and will descend on earth later on to fight
against the gathering of nations east of ierushalaim ( the most correct transliteration of masonic scripture) /Jerusalem.
The real YHWH theocracy will not be according jewish, christian or
islamic designs. The Divine will truely reign!

SC,
Concerning your very latest comments;
thanks for your elaborated explanations.
it is always interesting to read the theological explanations from the
various religious interpretatations, although i don’t agree;
Because the crucifixion of Yeshua was from before the foundation
of heaven and earth (not to confound with the statement that he was
crucified twice; before and after), there is scriptural, archeological,
historical, experiential as well as spiritual proof of his life, death and
resurrection between the years 0-33 as the incarnation of YHWH
through the Ruach YHWH in human form.
YHWH has appeared too many times in the form of Yehoshuwa ha
Moschiach through many many years to too many people.
The Kabod YHWH reveals it and the YHWH Ruach confirms it.
people can make all kind of books and commentaries, bottomline is;
The adversary will do everything to deceive mankind, he loves all
religion, as long it keeps you away from the real Qahal YHWH.
As human i can respect all human believes, but as a believer i do
disagree with all, because most people will go astray, but only few will find the way to life in spirit and in truth.
Every human is suppose to be a free agent with the ability to choose
freely against… or… for YHWH.

SC,
Most of what you are writing is more or less rubbish. One suspects that you are trying to force people into YOUR belief system. I would suggest that you stop.
Lets NOT hear from you again. It is fairly clear the muslims tried to dilute an opposing belief system, Christianity, by incorporating vague references into their own “religion”.

astaghfirrullah..
where do you get the sources about Muhammad(SAW) marriage? there no such thing about he sleep with all his wife in one night and so on..Muslim and Bukhari never told that..
please don’t hate Islam because some of us made something bad.. our religion has thought us to be good,and clearly who done something bad and is forbidden,it is still a sin..we done hate you,so don’t easily made a conclusion about our religion..only Allah knows it all..

Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.” I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet the strength for it?” Anas replied, “We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men).” And Sa’id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Why are you all sex obsessed?
Not enough phono graphy in your Bible?
Not graphic enough in your New Testicals men oops sorry
New testaments.
You sickos, followers of Paul of Tasarus or is it Saul ?
No, it sound Jewish. No it must be Greek,.You Qibtis from the upper Nile forever lost in the twilight zone of your stupidities .You cannot even utter God, but write G-d.why? is it because your minds are full of filth as large as the human waste that flow from the Gold coast to the sea?
instead you say G-d everytime.

Saul or whatever you are.
That coin falls both ways. It would be advisable for you to somehow add some IQ points before your next mail. And just who is sex-obsessed? It seems that you are – never mind – go visit a therapist.

Well david, assuming that is your name, I must admit that I didn’t realize that a turkey could write. Well, I guess you can. Perhaps you might like to explain your rant to the folks here – before you take your nightly pill of course.

SC,
You cannot prove what does not exist – but you can fool yourself into believing. The quran contains nothing of scientific value and its historical value is also poor. So I am going to ask you to prove what you claim – rest assured it will be easily and validly disputed. You are asking people into converting into your poisonous religion – well keep on trying – the simple fact is that very few convert to it. In muslim countries a person would be jailed or shot for trying to convert others to a non-muslim religion. Please also explain why you should not be jailed or executed for doing the same in a non-muslim country.

Hello ,
You wrote ” You are asking people into converting into your poisonous religion – well keep on trying – ”
If the facts are acceptable, why not? The ex christians who reverted to Islam are the ex clergy; priests who were exposed to and found out the
frauds in the scriptures.They reverted freely with no coercion. They turned out to better Muslims.

The evangelists turned away from Islamic countries are those bringing in distorted facts , bribing children and the poor with sweets and money. That’s coercion.Don’t expect us to smile and do nothing when that unfair tactics were used.

Eventually, allah and its henchmen will be no match for the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which will be preached in all the nations … before the end comes. The signs of the end, and the return of Christ – Matthew 24, in part:

Jesus answered them, “Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will lead many astray. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren’t troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.

But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.

Then they will deliver you up to oppression, and will kill you. You will be hated by all of the nations for my name’s sake.
[…]
Many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray.
(Mo is the most successful false prophet to date – he did it for you)
[…]
This Good News of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

No more allah, no more islam, no more muslims – the millennial reign of Jesus Christ over all the nations, from Jerusalem, the City of the Great King.

The rantings of a thousand deluded imams, or the bloodthirsty designs of the insane Persian President against the ‘Zionist entity” will come to nothing, as Jerusalem returns to pride of place for the Millennium.

SC,
It seems you can only lie, but you are a muslim so nothing else can be expected, There are no Christian clergy who have devolved sufficiently to revert to islam, the religion of the murderer, rapist and child molester. Some were forced, through torture etc, to accept islam but it is doubtful they ever really accepted your pig prophet.

YOU WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE YOUR PROOFS OF SCIENCE IN THE QURAN – DO SO NOW – SO THAT YOUR STATEMENTS CAN SHOWN FOR THE RUBBISH THAT THEY ARE.

Why is it that we are not allowed to terminate you for trying to foster a religion of child molesting rapist murderers called islam onto our people. Well, that will change soon enough and then we WILL come for you.

BTW – the statements you make about Christian missionaries show that you , in fact, are the perverted individual. But you are a muslim, and we accept now that you will have to be destroyed if we wish to save our species. islam is a curse, a pox, on mankind that subjugates peoples and enforces ignorance, stupidity and violence. I am merely repeating what you muslims bleat every friday when you smell each others arses is the mosque – that probably gave you wet dreams sc – now provide your “proofs”.

Hello,
“There are no Christian clergy who have devolved sufficiently to revert to islam”
Turn to You TUBE-‘Deenshow” you will see Sheikh Yusf Estee,Josgua Evans,
Jerrard(Ex Harvard ) all were ordained priests reverted to Islam.

“‘YOUR PROOFS OF SCIENCE “”
Go those You TUBE and Islamic websites on science and religion.Just click those words.

There are always people converting to one religion or another,
still the number of voluntary conversions to islam compared to
voluntary conversions to christianity is bleak.
islam depends formost on procreation, force, violence or bribery.
which makes the “membership” unethical, unlawfull, dishonest and
fake. the major world religions are too generalised to make a REAL
impact in numbers. Without real change from within and the renewal of Ruach Yhwh you won’t get anywhere.
Science can not disprove or prove religious scriptures, science is a
variable within the system, it can register the reality, but is heavily
under the influence of human interpretation, but so is religion.
Only Kabod Yhwh can manifest the word, the spirit and the truth.
Systemized religions are only imitation of the one real Qahal Yhwh.
One can make the choice for or against. C’est a vous tous!

SM,
There is no conflict between science and religion, or at least there shouldn’t be. Religion provides “answers” to the questions that science cannot answer, and science, by definition, cannot ever encroach into pure religious grounds. By definition science can never provide “all the answers” with certainly. The uncertain areas are often the province of religion. On the other hand, religion often does try to encroach into area of science for which religion is unequipped and cannot provide any proper solutions. Muslims often blur, or apply an astoundingly poor comprehension of these matters. As an aside, islam depends mosts only high birth rates, violence, bribery, and deceit to grow – there are very few honest conversions to islam – so we agree on this point.

Have already seen these “proof” of islamic contribution through the quran – and all are sufficiently debuÅ„ked – also on the internet..

YOU provide what YOU believe to be proof, moron. And then I will show you where you are wrong!!! Do we have to tell you how to think. you islamic moron????? You really are quite a dullard.

2) It is debatable as to whether the people you refer to were ever priests. Available records do not support the islamic contention that these people were priests. Again, there are a large number of priests in the world, and it is possible that a few converted to pislam, But more people leave islam than join. islamic growth is achieved through high birth rate and violent coercion – not conversion. And it is likely that there are Christian priests who once followed satin, sorry, mohammed the child molester, but the numbers are harder to find on account of the mandatory death sentence that muslims use against people who wish to leave pislam. Again your sources are lacking in credibility and again a muslim resorts to dishonesty to try and prove a point, whilst failing miserably.

What is it with muslims .- why are you so incapable of intelligent argument – and nothing you have written here since the time you started to pollute these site has been intelligent. I have merely responsed in kind to you.

NOW YOU WRITE YOUR CASE and stop wasting band-space. Do we have to teach you how to think??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dear kaw
you seem to have real problem just seeing the way you express yourself
you seem to be near a nervous breakdown, or you must be on drugs!
you give the impression to be crazy!
unsure of yourself, scare, lost, near to murder!!!
put yourself together, be intelligent! cause you give the impression of the contrary to intelligent!!!!

Cohen,
SC was asked to provide HIS proof, as he claims, of scientific advancement in the quran. There are, of course none. My emails to him are of a lower form reserved for mindless violent thugs – muslims in other words. Your response amuses me, because you seem to be the one on drugs or near a nervous break-down. The only person near to murder is a hysterical muslim, of which group there is a significant probability that you are a member. I suggest that instead of screaming, you learn to think. Analysis of your blurb suggests quite strongly that you are likely to be a muslim arab. Like your logic, your English is sufficiently poor to make analysis difficult but there are enough positive markers to support my claim.. I suggest abdul or mohammed or whomever you are, that if you don’t like the way you and your co-religionists are viewed, then you should persuade them to behave like decent human beings. I am still waiting for the proofs from the idiot muslim called SC (its moniker is an insult to crocodiles but possibly a rather apt description of a muslim – a rather dangerous and unintelligent monster driven by basic instinct only) to which I will appropriately respond. Now David, I am sure that you are breaking your bedtime curfew so you had better go to bed before your parents catch you and give you the thrashing you deserve. Next time do your rant in front of a mirror – at least one person will hear it then!!. Now piss off!
Have a nice sleep and learn to count to ten – use your fingers as a guide!

You brought up the topic of conversion to Islam and now you are paranoid over numbers of converts! It shows your true colours–yellow, if you know what I mean. Or is it a blank- white devoid of any intelligence?

Your stand on science explains why many christian scientists became atheists.Your Bible’s chapter on Genealogy and the Great flood just put them off–for there are many holes, more than what appear on your mattress.

Our knowledge in science as well as in religion is limited due to our
imperfection. they are both merely a shadow of what is to come.
Again, numbers of religious adherents don’t impress me because not
all followers are real believers, animism remains the worlds leading
“religion” whether people believe/except it or not.

my dear kwa
one last thing,
the only way you express your self is with insults and hatred you don’t know anything else !!!bet your father was like that! he must have insulted or beatten your mother you probably saw that all your life! that’ s why today you are a bit derranged and full of hate ! we anderstand it’s not your fault!!!!! maybe you was raped too!!
you see;thta’s why you react with such little compassion and anderstanding!!!

my dear kaw
one last thing
the only way to express yourself is with insultand hatred!
it looks like that’s the way you’ve probably been brought up
you probably had a father who insulted his wife or even beat her up! you must have seen that all your life so obviously you detained on him
so you became a small individual with no compassion and no anderstanding! a poor man a a failure if you prefer
well we anderstand!! not you fault!!!!!

cohen,
you are a simple fool – learn to count to ten muslim troll, and stop bothering the people here. And specifically, you are treated as you deserve to be treated – with contempt and disdain. You deserve nothing more and a great deal less.

SM
number of religious adherents means nothing (we agree) because it is a quantity that is so imprecisely defined. However, when muslims like SC lie then some comment is required. Animism is followed by the majority of the worlds people – monotheism has generally not been very healthy – and muslims are a prime example. Probably the most healthy system has been Buddhism (and there is no God in Buddhism) because its followers learn that they are responsible for their own thoughts and actions – again something that muslims seem unable to comprehend.

In any case SC – you do appear to be similar to your moniker in nature Â´- primitive and driven by instinct. I suggest you and cohen both scream at a mirror. At least we can laugh at your logic but laughing at an impaired mind is really not very funny at all. Go back to the mosque and rant there – they might be interested.

The mutual anger expressed between different opinionated people
is understandable but not diplomatic, anger is a bad counselor.
monotheism, dualism and trinitarianism are all falling short to
describe the Being of YHWH.
Kaw, you are right about Buddhism not acknowledging a god,
still the essence of this religion to harmonize completely with nature
is a sheer impossibility not withstanding that it is probably the most diciplined religion on earth.
SC, Kaw and me can’t be the same; if you would have read carefully you would have noticed that he is in europe and that i am in north america.
although that fact can be circumvented easily nowadays because if
one has relatives/friends in another part of the world they can easily pose under the monniker by posting e-mailed messages from the first.
That is not the case here, but it is known that many posted comments
under different monnikers on this web-site; solkar was an example,
moslima, muslem, SC (NZ) could be otman (malaysia?) rock jansome=
noori ?. the Sheik could probably shed more light on this.

Or maybe Paul of Tasaurus claiming to be inspired by G_d ?
It’s GOD say it, man ! Why the ‘fear’ yet you have blasphemised HIM with your Trinity–God in substance and god in form Pauline ideas.

Listen to these ex Paulines:
Arius-“-God in essence is ever existent(eternal ) .If Jesus is the son ,there must be a time when Jesus did not exist-he is not eternal therefore he is not god.”
Francis David–” Scriptures nowhere teaches anything about a triple god.”

Fausto Paolo Sozimi “-Doctrine of Atonement means that God’s law is no longer binding on man since his sins has already been paid.” So why penalised the Oklahoma bomber or Irish anti British fighters?

Biddle-“The Holy Spirit is distinguished from God.He that is distinguished from God is not God”.

SM
I am not posting under your name, Perhaps the idiot called SC is confused again – no problems – let it rant. SC may be posting from Australia which means our immigration policy is failing. However, I might get around to tracking it down when I get time. I agree with your comment:
“you are right about Buddhism not acknowledging a god,
still the essence of this religion to harmonize completely with nature
is a sheer impossibility not withstanding that it is probably the most diciplined religion on earth.”

My comment to this is:
that is the test and the point of Buddhism – to achieve perfection – which is for us rather difficult.

Once again SC – YOUR PROOFS. Again you illustrate that you have failed to understand the concept of the trinity – it is not that subtle – you (SC) are just rather unintelligent and spectacularly so. 1+1+1=3 but one can propose that infinity + infinity + infinity = 3 * infinity = infinity. Here the sum of three quantities (infinity) has the identical properties to the single quantity. There is of course another 0 + 0 + 0 = 0 which seems trivial but is not, at least from a philosophical point of view. I an reasonably certain that SC has not understood any of this.

Folks, please notice the trademark of the islamist – when challenged it reverts into the spoilt child that it is – thank you for demonstrating this SC. What I have written was quite understandable, at least for those of average intelligence. I guess that you and cohen dont quite cut the grade. You are treated with contempt and derision because that is what you deserve.

“”There is of course another 0 + 0 + 0 = 0 which seems trivial but is not, at least from a philosophical point of view. ”’

Your philosophical rendering does not make sense to ordinary folks who happened to make up 99.99% of the populace of every nation on earth.That’s the reasons for handing out money and sweets– to force people to accept
that ridiculous notion, is it? You may turn them to atheists if they subscribe to that 0+0+0=0 philosophy.Brand them stupid or not sophisticated enough to understand Pauline’s distortions of facts.The fact is it’s utter confusing.Brilliant surgeons, scientists, writers and ex priests found the concept confusing .call them stupid if you wish.

The reality is they will readily understand and accept that there is only God without partners.Such a simple but effective concept.No frills.

As I surmised, you are incapable of understanding the argument. Nothing else needs to be said. Typical mohammedan reasoning – when you cannot argue you bluster, and then reverse the argument in another direction where you feel comfortable. Why ever did my government let you into Oz – never mind – you will be deported soon enough. And again – within the trinity concept there is only 1 (one) God. It is sad to see you struggle with the concept but one should not laugh at disadvantaged people. Most Christians understand the concept – whether they agree with it or not is another issue – but you have again shown the truly low level that the mohammedan mind infests. Thanks!

Jehoshuva ha Moshiach was from before the foundation of the world.
YHWH always existed, which is not possible in human terms.

The atonement is not automatically applicable to everybody;
the oklahoma bomber was not a believer, nor does being a
catholic or protestant guaranties salvation.

Holy Spirit different from God; yes and no,
jewish concept leaves possibility open.
greek concept says one or the other.
all god descriptions are god-limitations and /or
god-restrictions.
Scripture shows YHWH multi-manifestational.
Being ONE is beyond human comprehension
YHWH is really ONE, a human being is not.
That is the difference.

SM,
You may not agree with this, but there is a interesting difference in what you believe (at least from what I can infer from your emails) and Buddhism. You recognize that the state of “divinity” – this is probably an inappropriate word but I am rather tired at present – is a goal that is unattainable for humans, but buddhists seek to attain a “enightened” state over several cycles . however this is not the “divine” state of God, but rather an elevated consciousness which is closer to “perfection” – perfection here being a relative word that only a Buddhist master could propbably explain from the Buddhist perpective. In any case, the significant difference between these concepts and the main stream religions is that many followers of main stream religions abrogate theiir responsibilities as a consequence of their interpretation/unserstanding of what their religion requires – and this is a very dangerous state of affairs as evidenced by the stagnation of islam.

Kaw,
All religions on earth are human work trying to obtain a better level
by works. (still imperfect naturally)
The true Kahal Yhwh is /and will be/ formed by the Divine Being and
not through human efforts.
This earthly life is just a shadow of what is to come, one hundred years
is not enough to understand, learn and experience everything.
That is what the Eternal Life is for.
Concerning believers fleeing their responsibilities in this life, i know
what you mean, from human viewpoint it is dangerous indeed,
though from the Divine perspective it won’t matter, YHWH will
realise all plans anyway in spite of all human imperfectness.

Well I do agree SM, Religion, as we understand it, is a human concept. One senses something “on the other side” beyond our grasp and understanding, and we try to understand in different ways. I understand your other points as well – they are valid – the question is an open one, as the truth is that each individual sees what only she/he can see w.r.t. to these questions [“only” is meant here to imply that each individual has a unique perspective].

Hello guys,
Go on show off your philosophy repertoire and have fun BETWEEN
you.The ordinary hardworking people could not be bothered with philosophies–they have livelihoods to earn, mouths to feed and will be satisfied with a simple, direct, no words gymnastics concept of One God with no nonsensical concepts of indwelling etc.

Only priests will make knowing God a difficult thing, hence the G_d thing , for a reason which is normally self benefits.
Quran-9:34-“O YOU WHO BELIEVE! THERE ARE INDEED MANY AMONG THE PRIESTS AND AUTHORITIES, WHO IN FALSEHOOD DEVOUR THE SUBSTANCE OF MEN AND HINDER (THEM ) FROM THE WAY OF GOD…”

Piss you useless moron SC – and please explain why you should not be judicially executed for preaching your poisonous followings of a child molesting rapist in a non-muslim country.

Please note folks – the idiot muslim cannot argue so it simply bleats out verses from its poisonous book.

I am not going to ask SC again for its proofs – it has none and cannot provide any.

A work of warning SC – I have given your details to some folks – you are now under observation. You do NOT speak for the working men and women in Australia, Those folks are considerable brighter than you and they do not need a retarded muslim pig as a religious advisor from a group of child molesting rapists called muslims.

SC,
If you have been hassling the Aboriginal people you will be in very big trouble – take that as advice not to do so. These folks have enough to contend with, despite the fact that they are talented and intelligent, and they do not need advice from you on how to run their lives. It is curious that many muslims spend their lives destroying in honor of their “prophet” whereas aboriginals saw themselves as caretakers of the enviroment – we need that more than we need morons with burqas, qurans, guns, and very bad attitudes. You people demonstrate from your behavior on a daily basis just how undesirable you are. And by the way, if you (muslims) were just different you would be accepted. But you are not just different – you seek to impose your failed customs onto others thereby destroying them as well. You will not be allowed to do so. This is not a racist statement – it is a statement against a very dangerous cult that seeks to destroy all (and that is what the evidence over the last 1000 years tells us). We follow the laws of our land, so unless you declare war we will not hurt you physically, but we can have you removed from our shores as a very significant potential danger.

A note to the police and DFAT officials who will read this – you are meant to protect the people of Australia – not make it a home for islamic fruitcakes (violent or non-violent – actually is there such a thing as a non-violent islamist – I do not believe so). Do your job properly!!!

SC
You missed the point again,
what you describe as philosophy repertoire is an exchange of view-
points, as many people seem to have reading, comprehension and
attention problems these days (and a short memory span), it becomes more difficult to convey certain things.
i can’t say that jews, muslims, upci-christians are doing good work
with their oneness theory, nor does the world-wide church of god
with its family-theory, nor the majority of christians with the trinity
theory, it is all too much theory to be real doctrine!
Sorry to say, but religious knowledge is no substitute for real Spiritual
manifestation, revelation, experience, inspiration, vision, wisdom &
knowledge. without all this you will never get out of “the natural”
carnality earthbound influenced indoctrinations.

SM.
Who are the upci-christians with oneness theory?
I already have a sense of bondship with them.
Btw Qibtis and Europeans , Muslim Makassaran traders have touched base with the Warlpiri people long before you guys set foot in Uluru.Being good people, the traders did not even think of colonising .

SC, once again you are lying – muslim visits to that region are imagined – chinese visits on the other hand are probably not.. You have no kinship with the aboriginal people – and their strories do not mention your imaginary muslims.
If you are hassling these people you will be dealt with. As for muslims not colonising – well you did that in Africa and you devastated entire regions! That is the second lie in your email – can you ever tell a truth. Again folks. we see a muslim liar in action with imagined histories and dishonest histories. The African slave trade was basically a muslim business enterprise – just a little more of your peaceful muslim behavior. BTW – notification of your location and activities has just reached me and it seems that you are up to no good. So expect a visit soon from some suits – and pack a bag. Good riddance to bad news.

SC,
The united pentecostal church international is the largest christian
denomination that believes in the sole oneness of God.
I doubt you will like their doctrines; there is only one God and his name is Jesus. water-baptism as condition to be part of the church, dress codes and a generalized eschatology, baptism in Holy Spirit, glossolalia etc.

Mr Kaw,
You say “If you are hassling these people you will be dealt with. As for muslims not colonising – well you did that in Africa and you devastated entire regions! ”

Firstly, it is not the Muslims who have been harrassing the Walpiri and other tribes from Kanberra to Alice Springs. ( Hey, that’s a coloniser’s substitution of a native name ) This real mistreatment of natives by ‘settlers ‘ happened for most of last 100 years.

Secondly, not only is your maths so poor, you always compare oranges with apples. I was referring to the Makassar Muslim traders from Sulawesi Indonesia.The distance between the two melanesian islands are much shorter compared to Uluru and white’s homelands and yes upper Nile, Egypt.Hence, trading and interfacing did occur.No record? Do you understand Tiwi or Laragiya ?

Thirdly, not only are your maths and English comprehension poor, your knowledge on history is not good either.The ones that devastated Africa are the whites–Afrikaans and boers from tiny Netherlands- they practiced that hideous apartheid but at the same time promoting their hundreds of denominations of Christiniaty. the Portugese and lately the Americans arms suppliers and manufacturers playing off rivals in Angola, Mozambique and North Africa. The apartheid by the Christian Dutch and English settlers are the worst kind of slavery in human history.

So, WHO IS LYING? But your inadvertent slip ups is excusable.Just practice your maths, read more books and be cognisance of local and world history.You will be ok.

Apartheid vs Slave trading
Slave trading was the norm pre 19 th century ,it was practised everywhere.
Barbaric Europe in 10th century practised it widely.
But they are pale and mild when compared to the utmost
despicable, vulgar and sheer disregard for human dignity of
APARTHEID practised by the God fearing Christian whites of South Africa and Klu Klux Klan of US.

Mr Kaw,
We coloured people, you , Sheikh and me are united against apartheid in what ever form.We disagree with white christians or white Muslims or white Indians from India who look down on people just because God made us less white than them and we are of lower castes than them.The latter is human’s idiotic innovations.

Institutionalized discrimination and slavery is part of sharia and the ‘immutable’ Koran. In your scriptures, it says Muhammad was ‘a white man’ and he called blacks ‘raisin heads’ who’s hearts are more cross than a donkeys. Slavery and discrimination is still widely practised in Africa and Arabia by Muslims, so I’m not sure what you’re aiming at.

I don’t think you are educated enough to comment on Arab slave trade, which goes back more than 1000 years before Muhammad invented his so called religion.

You will be gone soon SC – despite your little game you have been located and you will be dealt with. Since the process involves official bodies this is my last response to your rubbish. You are a fool, you have proved this adequately and that is all there is to say. The color of your skin has nothing to do with the issues.

Folks – when you do some “research” you need to use more than Google, which is often incorrect. Some examples of where Goggle is wrong include the degree of muslim interaction with mainland Australian aboriginal tribal peoples (effectively none) which was been copied and used in recent emails by a muslim moron. There are many others – the problem is that Google cannot verify all entries placed into their search engines. So if you want to investigate a issue dig up the literature – Google is NOT sufficient.

A proper literature search also shows that West and Central Africa were effectively decimated by arab muslim attacks and slave raids well before the Europeans arrived. Early European explorers often reported on the trail of bodies left behind arab muslim slave caravans (see e.g. Livingstone, Stanley,
The role of the Boers is very minor in comparison. One of the major problems in africa, islam , is now a very active virus and it represents a major impediment to the continents march into the future.

You idiots,
I am from that part of Indonesia, there are local traditions on that trading activities.It happened about 400 years ago which is a recent history.

Do not try to be intelligent (You are actually a moron ) and start lecturing on Google research data.You and that imbecile Sheikh have been using Google for your anti Islam articles.If your naseuting reasoning is accepted then BY YOUR OWN ADMISSIONS, ALL the ‘facts” you posted in this on Islam are unreliable and lies. These lies are the most dangerous virus and you people are riding on these lies and deceit to make MONEY.

SM,
Try telling apartheid is not worse that slavery to Mr Nelson Mandela.The problem with you people is you argue for argument sake especially when the perpetrators of apartheid were Christians in religion but racists in outlook.Apartheid is colonising a WHOLE country and totally enslaving the natives not only with total restrictions in their own land but contaminating them with crappy ideas like trinity.What could be more worse than that?

Thanks for showing us again that you rather silly SC. I never said that apartheid was worse or better than slavery. I simply inferred that the long term consequences of arab muslim tyranny will be affecting Africa a long time after apartheid is forgotten. And apartheid is practised by muslim states on the basis of religion, not color. Can you understand that ? The trouble with you is that you are not intelligent but since you think you are … sit in a corner and argue with yourself all day – stop wasting other people’s time. Still having problems with the trinity are you!! Sadly it seems that the concept is far beyond your capacity for understanding. Actually, I do not know it is is true of not – it is a concept of faith – but one that can be expressed exactly with a sufficiently advanced understanding of set theory. What could be worse? A silly muslim who knows nothing but continues to advise others on what they should believe . that do for starters. You are becoming rather tiresome. BTW, I am not quite sure how we are making money out of telling the truth??? Actually you are rapidly becoming an excellent example of how many muslims revert to primeval behavior when challenged, Have a nice day (sarcasm here).

SC, you seem to have some reading/comprehension problems,
i was not defending apartheid or segregation, but there were societies
in history were slaves were far worse off than black people under
apartheid or segregation: slaves with no rights whatsoever treated as
things objects or possession, you want to tell me that the slaves of the
roman empire 2000 years ago were better treated than blacks in South Africa & USA during last century?
if you do you are making a bias-acxtivated political statement.
Also it doesn’t seems to get to you that i don’t believe in extreme
oneness (judaism, islam), twoness (wwcog/rcog) or threeness theories
(90% of christianity).

SC – you are a simple fool – you have understood very little of what has been written to you. There is a very big difference between accepting something as being true through faith and knowing it to be true. But since you cannot understand this, or the implications thereof, there is little point in further explanation. Again you refer to the trinity .. you do not understand the concept .. so why do you keep referring to it??? We evolved to be intelligent thinking creatures – and religion is simply a device we have created ourselves. I find it interesting that the muslim god requires unthinking rigid obedience to a set of pointless rules – as typified by your rather silly contributions to discussion on these pages – whereas other religions require that one at least uses one brain. Stay in the cesspit called islam SC – like your moniker you are a primitive violent savage driven only by instinct.

Kaw, at least the saltie is predictable and largely avoidable – the muslim can detonate without warning, & the “allahu ackbar” might come too late.
The rubbish bins weren’t removed from the station platforms because of crocodiles.

“muslim god requires unthinking rigid obedience to a set of pointless rules”
Mr Kaw— that again points to your stupid ignorance.Tawhid is the most important branch of knowledge in Islam,it concerns KNOWING and then
BELIEVING God.No blind faith here.

SC,
Your last email shows how silly you are. Faith is blind – by definition. So you have once again proved that you are a mindless muslim drone incapable of any real thought. And again, why do you keep wishing to discuss the trinity, a concept that you have shown you are incapable of understanding. I find your statement “knowing God” rather laughable. Assuming that God does exists, a being of infinitely more capability than man, you claim to understand him- LOL. What you actually understand is a perverted rapist and child molester’s concept of God – a flawed concept delivered by a flawed human who was a violent thug and who was called mohammed (piss and vomit upon its head). And you have the nerve in your arrogance and stupidity to tell us all that ignorant cretins like mohammed and you have the sole right to determine who or what God is. Stop wasting this space.

” (piss and vomit upon its head). ” likewise to your “saint” Paul of Tasarus or tasaus, whatever. A real physical embodiment of Iblees and satan.The parasite innovator and liar having the gall to claim to know Jesus.The Roman
Emperor’s balls licker.Yet you and others are moronic , imbecile .idiotic not to realise that fact! WAKE UP people, you have been duped.

Peace be upon Messengers to Muslim Jews; Moses and Jesus, Peace be upon Muhammad.

Is knowing God, something alien to you? Is it made out of bounds to you?
My,my … what a waste.
Could it be the belief in the images; the cross, the picture of a bearded handsome guy ( white man ?) dressed in rags or that anguished semi naked man on the cross or the cross itself constrained you to learn to know who God really is?

You really are stupid SC. You cannot ever understand a being that transcends your development by an infinite magnitude. You are a good example. In every one of your messages you show that you are incapable of understanding what people here have answered to your often inane comments. And you claim to know God!!! You do not – you only understand the rabid mumblings of a arab rapist. And your last sentence of your last email is really a projection of your lack of understanding and lack of respect for another faith that is followed by more people than there are mohamedans. The interesting thing, SC, is that islamic morons like you cannot learn, and continue to shoot themselves in their feet every time they open their mouths.
You are too stupid to even contemplate INTELLIGENTLY what God is, so do not try to tell us what he is and as for the trivial and trite question of his appearance – well you can waste time on that if you wish. You are really wasting space SC – you have nothing to offer. Sheik – can you prevent this moron from posting again – he is just wasting our time.