I like Griffin. I wouldn't might drafting him with our 2nd 1st rounder or at the top of round 2. But I'm concerned he's too short to operate in the pocket, he plays school yard ball, and he's going to have durability issues.

Who said I hated him? I would be ok if we drafted him. Just not if Barkley was still on the board. I prefer pocket passers who play in a pro system. I have him number 3 on my QB draft list. I would take his upside over Colt McCoy any day.

e0y2e3 wrote:You claimed that RG3 doesn't pass in the pocket (you may want to watch him play, because I don't believe you have beyond highlights) and keep comparing him to fucking JOSH HARRIS.

That is possibly the most ridiculous biased sack of shit I've ever seen here and fucking SD posts here.

SD:

Thats Mr SoulDawg to you.

Mistero , RG3 is the fer sure shizzle , quicker release than Dan Marino, more akin to the strike of a Cobra , while having the power to flick it 40 yards on target with just his wrists while his feet are going in another direction .

True elite dissonance of coordination from where the rest of his body is to where he's aiming the ball, the best arm in the draft and that includes Luck .

Needs some seasoning coming out of that non pro set , but man the kid can spin it and can escape like a cat burglar ta boot .

Luck is the most pro ready anything to come outta the draft in a generation , but RG3 could give us the top QB in the division , where Colt is 6th in a four team race.

and don't let the Rastafarian hair style throw , ya

Kid ain't no Rickey Williams in search of himself , came off as a professor in a recent ESPN interview , he's study in awareness and smarts .

Luck, Barkley,RGIII....then stick with McCoy. Not fond enough of the other QB's to bail on Colt. Do you think his game is similiar to Newton's? Do you think teams are starting to figure out Newton after his hot start?

SoulDawg74 wrote:Luck is the most pro ready anything to come outta the draft since Brady Quinn , but RG3 could give us the top QB in the division , where Colt is 6th in a four team race.

and don't let the Rastafarian hair style throw , ya

Kid ain't no Rickey Williams in search of himself , came off as a professor in a recent ESPN interview , he's study in awareness and smarts .

I also like Barkley , Butt after Luck , RG3 is the star that is left.

SoulDawg

fixed it?

I'm on board with RG3. I want the Browns to take him with the first pick. If, by some miracle, Colt turns himself into Drew Breeze, well, then you have 2 trade chips.

Maybe Matt Ryan gets turf toe and we end up around 15 with the second pick. Take a WR. Take a RT. Take a LB. Take a DE...Same with our top of the 2nd round pick. There are holes to fill. But none of those holes being filled with a top 8 pick is going to get us to the Super Bowl next year.

There is absolutely no downside to taking RG3 with the top pick that I can see. None.

I can envision a scenario where RG3 is mocked to fall to where our ATL pick would be. OK then, take Blackmon or a stud LB with the 1st. But you better be damn sure RG3 will still be there when that pick comes around.

we could get to three if everybody else wins one game , and the Zona pigeons don't get any ideas about laying down on our account.

SoulDawg

Whew, 3 is Justin Blackmon territory.

RG3 needs to tank at the combine so he can fall to the 15-18 range where Atlanta hopefully will be. RG3 to Blackmon gives me chills.

SD:

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

look for Washington to be our competition , they will try and get ahead of us and deal with whoever doesn't need a QB via trade .

IMO I think they go the conservative route and take Barkley off the board , if we don't step up to three RG3 will be gone, as we'll have to outbid Denver Miami & Zona just to name a few peeps in need of the grail .

Much as i 'd luv the draft to come to us .

If we're in the top ten but out of the top three , trade up and get him , even if you have to fork over that extra #1 .

He's that valuable and would be that big a difference maker in turning around the Browns.

Finally vs Rapistburger Flacco and Dalton , we wouldn't be trotting out the kid sister.

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact . SoulDawg

This is spot on.

Now, excuse me while I go and vomit.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

look for Washington to be our competition , they will try and get ahead of us and deal with whoever doesn't need a QB via trade .

IMO I think they go the conservative route and take Barkley off the board , if we don't step up to three RG3 will be gone, as we'll have to outbid Denver Miami & Zona just to name a few peeps in need of the grail .

Much as i 'd luv the draft to come to us .

If we're in the top ten but out of the top three , trade up and get him , even if you have to fork over that extra #1 .

He's that valuable and would be that big a difference maker in turning around the Browns.

Finally vs Rapistburger Flacco and Dalton , we wouldn't be trotting out the kid sister.

SoulDawg

I'd do what it takes to get him too. But damn if it wouldn't hurt giving up that other #1.

So I'm understanding correctly, are you saying that you think Luck, Barkley, RG3 will be going 1,2,3 in the draft? That seems unlikely to me.

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

I've decided (for now) that I don't want Landry Jones (not in the 1st round, at least). Is he an improvement over McCoy? Probably. But is he so significantly better, is he likely to be a franchise QB? Or will he just be a pretend answer to the problem and set the team back a couple years trying to "see" if he has what it takes.

If the big-time 3 are gone, stick with Colt for another year and use the picks to build up the rest of the team.

You could get Landry Jones around that spot , but I wouldn't use either of my #1's on him , he's not ready has no clutch gene is mentally weak , and will wilt under an NFL hit worse than Gabbert flinches before contact .

I've decided (for now) that I don't want Landry Jones (not in the 1st round, at least). Is he an improvement over McCoy? Probably. But is he so significantly better, is he likely to be a franchise QB? Or will he just be a pretend answer to the problem and set the team back a couple years trying to "see" if he has what it takes.

If the big-time 3 are gone, stick with Colt for another year and use the picks to build up the rest of the team.

Agreed.

That said, I hated Matty Ryan for most of the same reasons I hate Jones.

Cleveland Browns: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor Colt McCoy is not doing enough for Cleveland to pass on a potential franchise quarterback. He was a third-round pick in 2010, so it is not like the Browns have a huge investment in him. McCoy could still be a quality backup for Cleveland.

Griffin has been one of the best players in college football this season. The 6-foot-2, 220-pounder is a big-play machine. He has a strong arm, is extremely accurate throwing the ball and has superb mobility, having also been a track competitor. Griffin is very intelligent and a high-character individual. He has the makings of a franchise quarterback. Thus far in 2011, Griffin has completed 73 percent of his passes for 3,678 yards with 34 touchdowns and five interceptions. He has rushed for 612 yards and seven touchdowns. Griffin has the 'it' factor that pushes his team to wins and elevates the play of his teammates.

Readers have been emailing me that they want the junior to be included in the 2012 mock. Previously, Griffin was projected to go at the very top of the 2013 NFL Draft because the early hints are that he is inclined to pull an Andrew Luck/Jake Locker/Matt Leinart and return to school for the 2012 season. Griffin has already been graduated and is getting a master's this year. He has stated that he wants to do his first year of a law degree next year. That would put him in the 2013 draft. It will be interesting to see what Griffin decides to do.

I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

I am starting to like 6-3, 205 lb 21TDs vs. 6INTs Kirk Cousins. We can get him in a later round, and he plays in a system it so foreign to what the Browns currently run, plus shows poise an accuracy.

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Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

Ah, but then one could also argue that the Browns are starting a less talented version of the same thing.

Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

Ah, but then one could also argue that the Browns are starting a less talented version of the same thing.

You can all have Landry Jones. If I had to bet my life on it tonight I'd say McCoy is a better QB than Jones at the NFL level. Both benefited from watching guys with 4 yard cushions run free all day and both benefited from Top 10 talent around them relatively speaking.

RG3 is a different player IMO. Stronger than either of them, strong arm, playing with less than Texas and Oklahoma caliber teammates.

I didn't know he already had a his undergrad degree and was working toward an advanced degree. How much does that say about the kid?

It also tells me he's not a lock to declare if he can come back, play ball at that level and move through a year of law school.

Govbarney wrote:I am starting to think both Jones and RG3 are just your typical good Big 12 system QBs. Does anyone have a warm and fuzzy over either of the two playing under center in a WCO after watching today's games.

I am starting to like 6-3, 205 lb 21TDs vs. 6INTs Kirk Cousins. We can get him in a later round, and he plays in a system it so foreign to what the Browns currently run, plus shows poise an accuracy.

Waiting for a QB in the later rounds, is, um, a recipe for disaster. We might as well stick with Colt if we are going to do that.

hiko wrote:Hey, I'm not a big fan of Jones either. Just pointing out that most scouts would say that he was much more talented than Colt.

RG3 is like a dream I don't want to bother having because it won't come true.

Splitting hairs and not important at all, but I don't think people would say that regarding Jones over McCoy. Not as college players. There aren't many QBs in the history of college football more decorated than McCoy. I know decorated doesn't necessarily equate to talent but throwing for 76+%, 3500 yards, 34TDs and 8ints, and 550 yards rushing has to involve some....

I think Landry Jones falls short, personally speaking. Not bias as I really don't care what becomes of McCoy or Jones other than their Browns-related newsworthiness.

hiko wrote:Hey, I'm not a big fan of Jones either. Just pointing out that most scouts would say that he was much more talented than Colt.

RG3 is like a dream I don't want to bother having because it won't come true.

Splitting hairs and not important at all, but I don't think people would say that regarding Jones over McCoy. Not as college players. There aren't many QBs in the history of college football more decorated than McCoy. I know decorated doesn't necessarily equate to talent but throwing for 76+%, 3500 yards, 34TDs and 8ints, and 550 yards rushing has to involve some....

I think Landry Jones falls short, personally speaking. Not bias as I really don't care what becomes of McCoy or Jones other than their Browns-related newsworthiness.

When one is drafted in the 1st Round and the other is drafted at the end of the 3rd, it speaks to what the scouts think of each player's talent level/potential. I think Landry's height alone gets him drafted in the 1st. If Colt were 4 inches taller, he'd have been a 1st rounder too.

The Browns are going to have to draft a QB. Colt McCoy is going to be Tim Couch 2.0. Dude is getting crushed over and over and over. Not saying he's a good QB but don't think with what is there he can get much accomplished. Still can't figure out how anyone could function well with the cast of misfits who inhabit the offensive side of the ball.

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