The explanation is obvious: It is "Nuclear Fall" in anticipation of the global thermonuclear war and subsequent nuclear winter that is sure to come very soon, starting with either Iran or the new USSR.

Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.

Quoting VC10 (Reply 3):
Well there might be some doubt as to whether the heat or cold will get you ,but you can rest assured you will die, so don't worry about it too much and instead be happy Big grin

Alrighty... CARPE DIEM

Who knows when and how I will die... Maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe in 30 years...

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We know that Arctic summer ice extent is largely determined by variable oceanic and atmospheric currents such as the Arctic Oscillation. NASA claimed last summer that "not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with global warming". The media tendency to knee-jerkingly blame everything on "global warming" makes for an easy story - but it is not based on solid science.

Now isnt this the whole argument for global warming? Dont all the models show that the raise in CO2 emmissions cause an increase in temperature and a melting of the ice caps? Kinda blows all the models out of the water then does it not?

Quoting Tugger (Reply 6):But if you could see how you would die, would you want to?

Depends - does getting to know allow me to prevent it from happening? If so, then heck yeah. If not, then no......

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 9):Now isnt this the whole argument for global warming? Dont all the models show that the raise in CO2 emmissions cause an increase in temperature and a melting of the ice caps? Kinda blows all the models out of the water then does it not?

Quoting Nighthawk (Thread starter):The ice coverage in the arctic is up 30% compared to this time last year, despite predictions that the arctic could be ice free this summer due to global warming.

Just FYI, the article is from The Register... not a science site but a site mainly dealing with software/hardware/music news and opinions with a lot of satire and sarcasm. And, in case you didn't notice, the article is poorly written.

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 13):Damn...does this mean the good looking chicks won't be on the beach in Kiev?

Unfortunately that may well be the case. It also means that property I bought 30 miles inland at bargain prices wont quite raise in value and have a sea view like I expected. Sunbathing? I think snowboarding is going to be more like it

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 14):
Just FYI, the article is from The Register... not a science site but a site mainly dealing with software/hardware/music news and opinions with a lot of satire and sarcasm. And, in case you didn't notice, the article is poorly written.

Im aware of the source of the article - im a frequent visitor of the site, however their journalism is going downhill rapidly at the moment. The source of the article is irrelevent, the facts are what matters, ice levels have increased 30% and NASA say that global warming does not have a significant effect on the ice caps. Thats all that matters, and not how poorly written the article is.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 15):The source of the article is irrelevent, the facts are what matters, ice levels have increased 30% and NASA say that global warming does not have a significant effect on the ice caps. Thats all that matters, and not how poorly written the article is.

What facts??? There are no facts other than the author's junk misinformation.

The author is asserting that "ice levels" have increased by 30%... no one else! Please notice that there is NO quote from ANY source to back up the author's assertion... just typical poor journalistic inferences to "trick" the unthinking reader into believing the author's point of view.

A case in point is your statement above... "NASA say that global warming does not have a significant effect on the ice caps."

That is not what NASA says.... no where in the NASA article does it say that. If you go to the link the author provides (and he obviously doesn't think that you would use to verify his "fiction") you will see that what NASA actually says is...

"The results suggest not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with global warming."

And I actually went to the sites that the author claims to have got his information from and this is what is ACTUALLY said on the University of Illinois site...

"Sea ice extent averaged over the Northern Hemisphere has decreased correspondingly over the past 50 years (shown right). The largest change has been observed in the summer months with decreases exceeding 30%.

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Recent observed surface air temperature changes over the Arctic region are the largest in the world. Winter (DJF) rates of warming exceed 4 degrees C. over portions of the Arctic land areas."

So yes, the source of the news is indeed VERY important... as is the ability to read critically is just as important!

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Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 18):As long as the sources are verifiable the way it is written is irrelevant to the discussion.

Nonsense. I can write in an article that aerodynamic lift on an airfoil is due exclusively to pressure under the the wing and quote NASA as my source. You can verify that NASA is my source... but the claim is still WRONG!

1. Impugn, insult, agitate. In this case Impugn any information that disagrees with global warming dogma.

That is what you are doing while I have actually gone to the sources and pointed out how the author invented his assertions. So instead of complaining about the article being shown to be a sham... if you really believe what the author wrote then try to provide links that back it up.

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein

As is the ability to detect humour in a post / thread. You appear to be missing the whole point of the thread.

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 17):Could you then please point us to that 30% in this near real-time graph (1 day delayed) from the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center?

The graph you posted clearly shows an increase in the levels of ice in the arctic. Whether its 10% or 30% the point is the same - ice levels are increasing, which goes against what every model has predicted. Ice free this summer? Hardly.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 20):The graph you posted clearly shows an increase in the levels of ice in the arctic

Only from 2007 to 2008. I would say the relevant figure is the average of 1979-2000, and in this case, whatever the year, we are still below the average.
But even 1979-2000 is too short of an interval to determine global phenomena.

The interminable debates on global warming and global cooling and whichever it is are spurned by interest groups anyhow. It's turning us away from the real issues that have made us interested in global warming in the first place: can we not be more efficient in our energy usage? Can the planet sustain in an "orderly" fashion the 10 billion people we will be in the next 50 years?

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 20):As is the ability to detect humour in a post / thread. You appear to be missing the whole point of the thread.

I recognized those posting in jest... thus I haven't commented on their "jesting".

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 20):The graph you posted clearly shows an increase in the levels of ice in the arctic. Whether its 10% or 30% the point is the same - ice levels are increasing, which goes against what every model has predicted. Ice free this summer? Hardly.

No... that is not true. If you go to the NISD web site (who produced the graph) you will see that they predicted (and hoped) that this years sea ice extent would be greater than last year's record low. No one said that the arctic would be ice free this summer!

Now, the predictions of increased sea ice extent than 2007 are not only reducing... they may go the other way...

The Arctic Ocean ice cover, which appeared earlier this summer to be headed for a moderate recovery after last year's record-setting retreat, has begun disintegrating so rapidly in recent weeks that experts now say the ice loss by mid-September could exceed even 2007's history-making meltdown.

The Canadian Ice Service is reporting an "unprecedented" opening of waters in the Beaufort Sea north of the Yukon-Alaska border, where expected increases in ship traffic have just prompted the U. S. Coast Guard to establish two new outposts on Alaska's north coast to strengthen its vessel-monitoring and search-and-rescue capabilities.