Blackburn burglary turns Eid joy to heartbreak

THOUSANDS of pounds worth of Asian heritage gold jewellery with huge sentimental value was stolen when burglars ransacked a home as the owners were celebrating Eid.

Ali and Sumeya Sodha, of St Anne’s Close, Blackburn, were out with family and friends to mark the holiday when the thieves hit.

They smashed through the patio door before searching the house for the pieces, which are worth between £8,000 and £10,000.

Among items taken were bracelets, bangles, necklaces, earrings and chains, which were given to health care assistant Mrs Sodha when the couple married in 2006 in Kenya.

Mr Sodha said the couple were devastated to find their house had been turned upside down.

The NHS caretaker said: “We were out all day because it was Eid. But it was a day of celebration just destroyed.

“It is supposed to be a happy time with family after fasting, but when we came home and found this, our day of happiness and joy had gone.”

Mr Sodha, 29, said when the pair arrived home around 12.30am yesterday they could not get in through the front door because of the damage, so had to go round the back, where they discovered the patio door had been completely smashed with a brick.

The burglars had gone upstairs at the two-bedroomed property, and pulled out the drawers of the divan bed where the jewellery had been hidden.

The pieces were described as Asian heritage gold, which are typically of high purity and passed down from generation to generation.

Mr Sodha added: “They did not touch the television or anything else. They made a right mess of the house.

“It is really sentimental stuff and we are gutted.

“I do not know why anyone would do this.

“We have inherited the jewellery from family and friends.

“It has value and it is not just monetary, but emotional too.

“We can replace the door, but the main thing they have taken off us is part of our life and we cannot replace that.

“The jewellery is something we would have wanted to pass on to our children when they are married.”

A police investigation has been launched and officers are studying CCTV footage captured on a neighbour’s camera.

Insp Andy Winter appealed for anybody with information about the burglary, which happened between 11am on Monday and 12.50am yesterday to come forward.

He also advised people with expensive items to keep them in a safe bolted to the ground, or to put them in a bank or community safety deposit box.

The officer said: “There have been four or five Asian heritage gold burglaries in the Blackburn area in recent weeks. This has been a bit of a crime pattern.

“We are targeting those offences and we have increased patrols in the area.”

Anybody with information should call police on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.

Nice to see that the Police have finally made the suggestion of putting valuable items in a safe or safety deposit box.
Can I add to that, and suggest that individual photos be taken, on a plain piece of white paper, alongside a ruler and that these be saved to a memory card or USB Flash device, so that the Police can distribute the images. It makes identification so much easier, if you have a scaled image of something, rather than a vague description..

Nice to see that the Police have finally made the suggestion of putting valuable items in a safe or safety deposit box.
Can I add to that, and suggest that individual photos be taken, on a plain piece of white paper, alongside a ruler and that these be saved to a memory card or USB Flash device, so that the Police can distribute the images. It makes identification so much easier, if you have a scaled image of something, rather than a vague description..woolywords

Being burgled is a horrible crime but let need to stop making these stories sell papers. Burglaries are going yo increase when the police are being cut by the government so householders need to protect themselves. Unfortunately a lot of people don't want to spend money to protect their valuables yet they crazily put burglar alarms and CCTV in after the burglary...crazy..wh
y would the burglar come back he has nicked everything! All these victims in the paper if they had invested in a house alarm, decent CCTV and small safe bolted to the ground burglars would of left empty handed and police would of had a chance of catching them! Spent £1500 to protect your home and don't be next story for let

Being burgled is a horrible crime but let need to stop making these stories sell papers. Burglaries are going yo increase when the police are being cut by the government so householders need to protect themselves. Unfortunately a lot of people don't want to spend money to protect their valuables yet they crazily put burglar alarms and CCTV in after the burglary...crazy..wh
y would the burglar come back he has nicked everything! All these victims in the paper if they had invested in a house alarm, decent CCTV and small safe bolted to the ground burglars would of left empty handed and police would of had a chance of catching them! Spent £1500 to protect your home and don't be next story for letcrusade to find the truth from the brown stuff

garnersfreshpint wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?

Because it's a double glazed unit. If the outside one gets broken first it has to fall on the outside

[quote][p][bold]garnersfreshpint[/bold] wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?[/p][/quote]Because it's a double glazed unit. If the outside one gets broken first it has to fall on the outsideOssyosssyossy

garnersfreshpint wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?

It's very hard to smash through double glazed glass it would've taken them more than one go hence the glass outside.

[quote][p][bold]garnersfreshpint[/bold] wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?[/p][/quote]It's very hard to smash through double glazed glass it would've taken them more than one go hence the glass outside.dimpyK

A spring-loaded punch is commonly used to break the glass. To be had for a few pounds, this device is quite properly used to mark out wood or metal. Used in this context, the result would be as shown in the image which accompanies this report - the broken pieces of the outer glazing are outside. Only an amateur would use a brick - too much noise - unless the burglar(s) were quite confident.

A spring-loaded punch is commonly used to break the glass. To be had for a few pounds, this device is quite properly used to mark out wood or metal. Used in this context, the result would be as shown in the image which accompanies this report - the broken pieces of the outer glazing are outside. Only an amateur would use a brick - too much noise - unless the burglar(s) were quite confident.Graham Hartley

GracesDad wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....

It would be an interesting record of social history if these chains of comment were preserved rather than deleted. Are there researchers with such interest who preserve this material?

[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....[/p][/quote]It would be an interesting record of social history if these chains of comment were preserved rather than deleted. Are there researchers with such interest who preserve this material?Graham Hartley

well if he cant fathom that out then heaven help him. burglars dont give a **** about sentiment.... the only see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

how many of these types of burglaries have taken place in the past few weeks/months/years..
... and yet still those keeping such amounts of gold in house dont seem to learn a single lesson from such incidents.

the burglars must thank their lucky stars such people still exist.

put your jewellery in a bank for safe keeping... or invest 600 quid in suoer heavy safe that bolts into the ground and is impossible to lift as it weighs over qrtr of a tonne. its impossible to break through as well unless you have the key or an impossible to guess combination.

but oh no..... such people believe it always happens to someone else but not me.

now lets see, after reading this burglary who in the same position (having lots of gold in the house) will actually act and safeguard their valuables and do something about it... or will remain inactive like this bloke in the newstory and believe it will always happen to others and not me.

"I do not know why anyone would do this."
well if he cant fathom that out then heaven help him. burglars dont give a **** about sentiment.... the only see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
how many of these types of burglaries have taken place in the past few weeks/months/years..
... and yet still those keeping such amounts of gold in house dont seem to learn a single lesson from such incidents.
the burglars must thank their lucky stars such people still exist.
put your jewellery in a bank for safe keeping... or invest 600 quid in suoer heavy safe that bolts into the ground and is impossible to lift as it weighs over qrtr of a tonne. its impossible to break through as well unless you have the key or an impossible to guess combination.
but oh no..... such people believe it always happens to someone else but not me.
now lets see, after reading this burglary who in the same position (having lots of gold in the house) will actually act and safeguard their valuables and do something about it... or will remain inactive like this bloke in the newstory and believe it will always happen to others and not me.CyberWala

To put it in perspective. Although this family feels a personal loss of heirlooms, it could be a lot worse. People have their house burn down and lose everything. The people on that plane brought down in Ukraine lost their lives.
This family may be anguished, but these possessions are only ours temporarily and they still have each other. That is more important.
However, having had our house broken into and personal items stolen, I can appreciate their feeling of being violated and their future fear of more burglaries.

To put it in perspective. Although this family feels a personal loss of heirlooms, it could be a lot worse. People have their house burn down and lose everything. The people on that plane brought down in Ukraine lost their lives.
This family may be anguished, but these possessions are only ours temporarily and they still have each other. That is more important.
However, having had our house broken into and personal items stolen, I can appreciate their feeling of being violated and their future fear of more burglaries.kenbro

Graham Hartley wrote:
A spring-loaded punch is commonly used to break the glass. To be had for a few pounds, this device is quite properly used to mark out wood or metal. Used in this context, the result would be as shown in the image which accompanies this report - the broken pieces of the outer glazing are outside. Only an amateur would use a brick - too much noise - unless the burglar(s) were quite confident.

Oh yeah do you know something we don't is there anything you like to share..... How much did you get for it

[quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote:
A spring-loaded punch is commonly used to break the glass. To be had for a few pounds, this device is quite properly used to mark out wood or metal. Used in this context, the result would be as shown in the image which accompanies this report - the broken pieces of the outer glazing are outside. Only an amateur would use a brick - too much noise - unless the burglar(s) were quite confident.[/p][/quote]Oh yeah do you know something we don't is there anything you like to share..... How much did you get for itbennyhill

Secure your homes with burglar alarms and cctv and you can watch your home in your iphones while you out.Police cannot be everywhere in town or every corner of the streets.Residents should involved in neighbourhood watch schemes and keep a look out for neighbours.
In this current economic climate burglaries, robberies and shoplifting are on the rise.

Secure your homes with burglar alarms and cctv and you can watch your home in your iphones while you out.Police cannot be everywhere in town or every corner of the streets.Residents should involved in neighbourhood watch schemes and keep a look out for neighbours.
In this current economic climate burglaries, robberies and shoplifting are on the rise.M.DANNY

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

I've said this before and was label a racist

[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]I've said this before and was label a racistbennyhill

GracesDad wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....

Just a few.... Is it me or can I smell porkies

How dare you cast your shameless aspersions upon such a fine, upright, honest-as-the-day-is
-long person, whom has suffered such an outrage to their home...
What!
You think he's dodgy because he's wearing a pair of purple Nitrile gloves and you think that he's stolen these from his place of work?
Let me have another look at that photo...
Amazing deduction, Sherlock.. You might have a point...

[quote][p][bold]bennyhill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....[/p][/quote]Just a few.... Is it me or can I smell porkies[/p][/quote]How dare you cast your shameless aspersions upon such a fine, upright, honest-as-the-day-is
-long person, whom has suffered such an outrage to their home...
What!
You think he's dodgy because he's wearing a pair of purple Nitrile gloves and you think that he's stolen these from his place of work?
Let me have another look at that photo...
Amazing deduction, Sherlock.. You might have a point...woolywords

I can see the contents insurance costs around this area shooting up, the same way the car insurance has. almost double the price in Nelson, as it costs Burnley.
I know if I had 10k worth of gold in my house it would be in a safe and I would have CCTV and alarm. beyond belief how anyone would not. The costs for this sort of basic security in minimal. Maybe insurance company's should look at this as a prerequisite to insurance along with photographic and independent valuations evidence.
Before it gets out of hand.
On a side not, terrible to be burgled during a holiday, and must be very upsetting for the family, to loose such sentimental items :(

I can see the contents insurance costs around this area shooting up, the same way the car insurance has. almost double the price in Nelson, as it costs Burnley.
I know if I had 10k worth of gold in my house it would be in a safe and I would have CCTV and alarm. beyond belief how anyone would not. The costs for this sort of basic security in minimal. Maybe insurance company's should look at this as a prerequisite to insurance along with photographic and independent valuations evidence.
Before it gets out of hand.
On a side not, terrible to be burgled during a holiday, and must be very upsetting for the family, to loose such sentimental items :(calman66

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)

[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)englishmuslim

garnersfreshpint wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?

Yes if you break in glass would be on the inside.looks like it was smashed from the inside I'm sure the police would have thought about this but you never know these days .could not possibly be an insurance scam mmmm

[quote][p][bold]garnersfreshpint[/bold] wrote:
on a side note, why is the smashed glass on the outside?[/p][/quote]Yes if you break in glass would be on the inside.looks like it was smashed from the inside I'm sure the police would have thought about this but you never know these days .could not possibly be an insurance scam mmmmpainterman1060

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)

sorry english muslim - but that is complete and utter nonsense

[quote][p][bold]englishmuslim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)[/p][/quote]sorry english muslim - but that is complete and utter nonsensehasslem hasslem

GracesDad wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....

You must be able to predict the future.....the mysterious case of the disappearing comments...

[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote:
Let's see how many comments get written before they are stopped.....[/p][/quote]You must be able to predict the future.....the mysterious case of the disappearing comments...Primus622

Richard Pembrook wrote:
More pakistanis (not Asians) putting the cost of insurance up for innocent people living in deprived blackburn.

They are not Pakistani, stop assuming things.

[quote][p][bold]Richard Pembrook[/bold] wrote:
More pakistanis (not Asians) putting the cost of insurance up for innocent people living in deprived blackburn.[/p][/quote]They are not Pakistani, stop assuming things.dimpyK

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

It might be a non event for you but not for Muslims. If someone is burgled at Christmas they should contact the press themselves.

[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]It might be a non event for you but not for Muslims. If someone is burgled at Christmas they should contact the press themselves.dimpyK

Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????

wow, LT inst it time you removed these disgusting comments.
Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????VICKY P

VICKY P wrote:
wow, LT inst it time you removed these disgusting comments.

Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????

Totally agree. if this was an indigenous white...there would be 'awwwws' and sympathy all the way round. Just proves how racist some people are with their snied comments. To all the haters out there educate yourself on the matter in hand before making stupid assumptions.

[quote][p][bold]VICKY P[/bold] wrote:
wow, LT inst it time you removed these disgusting comments.
Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????[/p][/quote]Totally agree. if this was an indigenous white...there would be 'awwwws' and sympathy all the way round. Just proves how racist some people are with their snied comments. To all the haters out there educate yourself on the matter in hand before making stupid assumptions.255.255.255.0

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

Comment on this article then
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[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]Comment on this article then
http://m.lancashiret
elegraph.co.uk/news/
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_in_heartache/255.255.255.0

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

Comment on this article then
http://m.lancashiret

elegraph.co.uk/news/

11378433.Colne_shoe_

shop_owner___s_break

_in_heartache/

Thanks, 255.255.255.0 - will visit the Arcade in Colne this weekend.

[quote][p][bold]255.255.255.0[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]Comment on this article then
http://m.lancashiret
elegraph.co.uk/news/
11378433.Colne_shoe_
shop_owner___s_break
_in_heartache/[/p][/quote]Thanks, 255.255.255.0 - will visit the Arcade in Colne this weekend.Graham Hartley

VICKY P wrote:
wow, LT inst it time you removed these disgusting comments.

Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????

Disgusting, repugnant... such adjectives are among those at the vanguard of intolerance. Please consider instead tolerance, forgiveness. Wow, these drugs are strong tonight.

[quote][p][bold]VICKY P[/bold] wrote:
wow, LT inst it time you removed these disgusting comments.
Why is it every-time an article is written about immigrants/Muslims, whether they have done something good or are victim to a crime it is barraged by repugnant comments..... and they say the foreigners don't integrate, do you blame them ?????[/p][/quote]Disgusting, repugnant... such adjectives are among those at the vanguard of intolerance. Please consider instead tolerance, forgiveness. Wow, these drugs are strong tonight.Graham Hartley

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

It might be a non event for you but not for Muslims. If someone is burgled at Christmas they should contact the press themselves.

In the same period, nearly an hundred other burglaries were committed, in both commercial and domestic properties, without all this attention.
...
Personally, were I ever burgled, I'd put an X in the box for no publicity.
Why?
Because my insurance replaces my loss for new in any claim and it doesn't take a genius to realise that now, my goods are worth more than the ones stolen originally. I may as well put a big sign up and advertise.
All they have to do is, read about a burglary, see what was stolen and where. Then watch for the cardboard boxes going out with the rubbish to know when to strike..
Not rocket science, really.
...
Still want a mention in the paper when you get burgled?
Thought not.

[quote][p][bold]dimpyK[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]It might be a non event for you but not for Muslims. If someone is burgled at Christmas they should contact the press themselves.[/p][/quote]In the same period, nearly an hundred other burglaries were committed, in both commercial and domestic properties, without all this attention.
...
Personally, were I ever burgled, I'd put an X in the box for no publicity.
Why?
Because my insurance replaces my loss for new in any claim and it doesn't take a genius to realise that now, my goods are worth more than the ones stolen originally. I may as well put a big sign up and advertise.
All they have to do is, read about a burglary, see what was stolen and where. Then watch for the cardboard boxes going out with the rubbish to know when to strike..
Not rocket science, really.
...
Still want a mention in the paper when you get burgled?
Thought not.woolywords

Let me define my use of 'non-event' for you.
In plain and simple terms, I seriously doubt the veracity of anyone whom would steal from his place of work.
I seriously consider this, an inside job.
No neighbours heard the sound of two panes of toughened glass being broken?
Nobody saw anyone entering or leaving the area?
...
I have to tell you that, I used to live on a street similar to this and the man in the shop used to tell me that I had been working away or on nights...
Not to mention when I had friends round or even came home late...
And nobody saw, nothing, in this case?

Let me define my use of 'non-event' for you.
In plain and simple terms, I seriously doubt the veracity of anyone whom would steal from his place of work.
I seriously consider this, an inside job.
No neighbours heard the sound of two panes of toughened glass being broken?
Nobody saw anyone entering or leaving the area?
...
I have to tell you that, I used to live on a street similar to this and the man in the shop used to tell me that I had been working away or on nights...
Not to mention when I had friends round or even came home late...
And nobody saw, nothing, in this case?woolywords

Let me add this..
The house has a burglar alarm fitted..
Is in a Neighbourhood Watch area..
All of which is used by Insurers to assess the risk to property, to give a lower premium, as it only right.
...
However, a Loss Adjuster, worth his salt, will ask..
Was the alarm armed, when you left?
Was the Neighbourhood Watch Coordinator informed of your away day?

If you were told that none of the above had been done, by how much of the claim would you reduce it by, as the insured person was negligent?
As we all know, Insurance companies love to find an excuse to reduce any claims made against them..
...
So, if you have an alarm, arm it.
Bolt a safe or strongbox to a concrete floor, put your treasures in it.
Also throw in your bank stuff, passport, birth certificates and vehicle documents, so that these can't go missing.
Check that all windows and doors are secured.
Tell your neighbour that you are away for the day.
Have a nice day!

Let me add this..
The house has a burglar alarm fitted..
Is in a Neighbourhood Watch area..
All of which is used by Insurers to assess the risk to property, to give a lower premium, as it only right.
...
However, a Loss Adjuster, worth his salt, will ask..
Was the alarm armed, when you left?
Was the Neighbourhood Watch Coordinator informed of your away day?
If you were told that none of the above had been done, by how much of the claim would you reduce it by, as the insured person was negligent?
As we all know, Insurance companies love to find an excuse to reduce any claims made against them..
...
So, if you have an alarm, arm it.
Bolt a safe or strongbox to a concrete floor, put your treasures in it.
Also throw in your bank stuff, passport, birth certificates and vehicle documents, so that these can't go missing.
Check that all windows and doors are secured.
Tell your neighbour that you are away for the day.
Have a nice day!woolywords

Another point Woolywords - does every Asian family have ten thousand pounds worth of gold items under the bed, or were the robbers just lucky in picking the right house ?
If these types of robberies continue, the insurance companies may require people to have a separate policy for such valuable items. It is too easy to work a scam otherwise.

Another point Woolywords - does every Asian family have ten thousand pounds worth of gold items under the bed, or were the robbers just lucky in picking the right house ?
If these types of robberies continue, the insurance companies may require people to have a separate policy for such valuable items. It is too easy to work a scam otherwise.kenbro

woolywords wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?

There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)

I think you might be wrong there pal! Evidences please?

[quote][p][bold]englishmuslim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote:
Not to be seen as a bit of a wet blanket here but...
Aren't there more domestic burglaries in and around Christmas than at Eid?
So why all the press coverage of this non-event?[/p][/quote]There is a simple answer for that. More people celebrate Eid in this country than they do Christmas. Sorry pal. ;-)[/p][/quote]I think you might be wrong there pal! Evidences please?onsidecobra