Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?kkkkkkk

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View Poll Results: If you support workers ability to collectively bargain, what do you support?

Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive

I choose: 'don't have to join a union'.

However, when certain workers opt out a union it may cancel out the work the unions do to help members. On the one hand, I think people should be able to do what they want. But on the other, I think that choice might be damaging, in the long run, to all workers. I have to do more research on the matter of choice in this instance.

I know of no union that forces anyone to join. However, those who do not wish to join will have to pay a percentage of the union wage (i.e.: 85%). This only stands to reason if they are going to earn the same wage as union members, a wage secured through the considerable efforts of these union members and through no effort of the scab.

Allowing scabs the option of not joining and not paying any percentage of the union wage, but enjoying the wage and benefits secured by the union amounts to union busting.

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Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

Private businesses tend to compete against one another. that is the last thing public sector unions want to do

can you see it-SEIU tells the City of Cincinnati it will set pay at 2X minimum wage and AFSCME comes in and wait it will supply janitors for city hall who only want 1.5X minimum wage

Not sure competition with each other is always ideal for workers who often need to work together, but let's not confuse two different functions. There is more than one role to play here.

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Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Are you suggesting Business never plays a role in who is nominated? Wealthy people paly no role? If only unions donated to the cause, you might have a point. But frankly a lot of anti-union forces donate as much or more to candidates. I'm sorry, but there is no preversion, and unions are merely being scapegoated.

No one of any intelligence would suggest that the private sector does not maintain the upper hand in spades compared to unions, as far as influence over public elections is concerned. This was most plainly evident in the Walker recall where an avalanche of private sector money made all the difference.

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Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by clownboy

Try to get a job in lighting on a Hollwood movie set without being an IATSE member and then come back to tell us there aren't closed shops. Same thing with acting and SAG.

Who said there wasn't? Though I did work in one (closed shop) without being a union member. But the statement I read is about forcing to join. Not whether there was a closed shop or not. There is a difference.

Last edited by Boo Radley; 06-11-12 at 03:28 AM.

AUSTAN GOOLSBEE:I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by Sig

No one of any intelligence would suggest that the private sector does not maintain the upper hand in spades compared to unions, as far as influence over public elections is concerned. This was most plainly evident in the Walker recall where an avalanche of private sector money made all the difference.

Was that the election where out of state union thugs registered to vote using the hotel as their address? Right, that was it. No one of any intelligence would have made the dishonest statement you made and expect to not be called on it. Does a company providing janitorial service have the upper hand over President Obama's beloved SEIU purple-shirted thugs? Did any president ever promise to cross a picket line like Barack Obama promised to march on a picket line. The avalanche of union money makes all the difference and they get it all back and then some if they deliver the promised votes.

Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Originally Posted by Patrickt

Negotiation in union-speak for extortion that includes bribery, assault, arson, theft, sabotage, vandalism and any other criminal act they wish to encourage.

prove to me that any private union has participated in these acts...

Second of all, NO one is forcing you to join a union. If you don't like the idea of unionization then you probably should have picked a different career path. For instance, if you wanted to be a teacher, maybe you should have taken into consideration what teachers unionization is all about, and if that is something that you can accept or not.

As far as private sector unions go, of course they are needed. The person who is contracting out the jobs goal is to pay the lowest dollar possible, the workers goal is to get paid the highest amount possible (and they deserve to be).

Ever get up on some iron, walking on less than a 1 foot wide piece of metal 100's of feet off the ground. Would you do that for 10 bucks n hour?

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Re: Those who support workers ability to collectively bargain what do you support?

Generally, I don't mind if individual businesses or companies unionize, I absolutely oppose public employee unions and state or national unions that represent a huge number of companies. When the union has no direct stake in the survival or health of the individual company, it's not collective bargaining, it's union thuggery. When the company can say "here's all the money we have, this is all we can pay you, either take what we can give or we'll go out of business and you won't have a job", the union ought to understand that because it's reality. Large unions don't care if individual job sites go out of business, they have sources of income all over the place.

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