Comments on: Sean Payton: It’s frustrating to hear things that aren’t truehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/05/sean-payton-its-frustrating-to-hear-things-that-arent-true/
ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 03 Mar 2015 19:09:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: silentcounthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/05/sean-payton-its-frustrating-to-hear-things-that-arent-true/#comment-1975613
Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:34:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1975613So why exactly was Sean Payton suspended? Goodell claims it was for having a pay-to-injure-bounty-sytem in EVERY GAME FOR 3 SEASONS. But yet, he still hasn’t provided valid proof that it even happened IN JUST ONE GAME! Expect the judge to correct this injustice for Sean as well as the players. In this country, an abusive dictator is not allowed to restrict one’s freedom of speech as Goodell has done to the coaches. let the truth set them free!!! What are the fans of other teams so afraid of? That their hate wasn’t justified after all?
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:27:53 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1975605@biggestsaintsfanever: Judge Berrigan commented from the bench that she saw no difference between what the players were describing as a “pay for performance” program and the league’s/Goodell’s allegation of a bounty program.

In other words, Judge Berrigan agreed that what the Saints admitted to was a bounty program.

What she took issue with was not whether the allegations were true, but the punishments and the manner in which they were handed out.

Judge berrigan, by her own definition, said a pay for performance system is a bounty. So, the saints were doing bounties, got caught, lied, caught again, and punished by the authority that was collectivley bargained by the NFL and the players union. Case closed. Open and shut.

Saints admitted pay for performance. How is it open and shut?

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:26:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1975463Judge berrigan, by her own definition, said a pay for performance system is a bounty. So, the saints were doing bounties, got caught, lied, caught again, and punished by the authority that was collectivley bargained by the NFL and the players union. Case closed. Open and shut.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 19:19:12 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1975156drwbrsdmndsnxplntn says: Sep 5, 2012 12:46 PM

I might add, the proof is in the pudding with Vilmas declaration on SportsCenter, BountyGate existed within a toxic environment where that was “ok” to say that on sports center. Stand up for them all you want, but they cheated because they weren’t as talented at football. PERIOD.

It still doesn’t take away the pain of being robbed, but its a small vindication. Vikings fans were watching that game too, there are great YouTube videos of all the cheap shots they took at Favre. Its amazing thats the only way they could win and advance to their first Lobardi Trophy*.

Take your suspension like a man. Quit whining, acting like a bunch of soccer players.
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the nfl gave you a do over the first game of the next season and after talking all off season of what you were going to do… you decided to write checks your team couldnt cash…soo you didnt get robbed, you merely went bankrupt

It’s even more frustrating when it looks like they didn’t really have a program, but if they did, it would have been strictly during one game in 2009. There is no circumstantial or actual evidence ANYTHING happened besides the vikes game, so doesn’t it seem like they cleaned up whatever was or wasn’t happening
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So you are saying there was a bounty in place for one game. Isn’t that enough! Listen to yourself!
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Listen to YOURSELF. Saints fans this WHOLE time have been saying there was a program going on. We’ve all just been saying the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. I am merely addressing everyone’s claim that the punishments were ok because the Saints continued after being stopped. It seems to me they stopped as soon as confronted. If that is the case, shouldn’t they have some leniency in what is really just a salary cap violation? Goodell claimed the punishments were for continuing. I don’t think they continued.

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:48:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974959If you think it is frustrating to hear things that arent true, how do you think very angry NFL fans feel. Dont feel a bit sorry for this blowhard.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:16:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974873“We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility.

These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans.”

Public apology by Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis, March 2012

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:00:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974816NOT TRUE! All the players and fans who initially said there was NO program got proven wrong and then jumped on “It is ONLY pay for performance!” Well, it has also been proven that one of the ‘performances” was the ‘cart off’ hit. It is not as bad as intentionally trying to maim someone, but it is still giving a reward for causing an injury (even a temporary one). That, my friend, qualifies as a bounty.

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Go back and look at Darren Sharpers interview when this all came out, he admitted to a pay for performance program but said that there was no payments for illegal hits and that was when it first came out. Ya’ll take them not saying nothing as saying they were guilty same as coaches. They would acuatally have to put money in the pot for an illegal hit. As for as the suspended players they did not say anything as to any program, they just denied things that came out about them for example Vilma said he never offered any money to injure someone but he never denied putting money in a pot just said not to injure.
Ya’ll will see when this is all over. You think that if Goodell really had proof he wouldn’t put an end to this, notice how he tries harder to prove he doesn’t have to show that they are guilty then proving that they are guilty. He should just prove it and get it over with if he has proof

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:47:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974788All I know is ITS FOOTBALL SEASON…LETS PLAY THE GAME ON THE FIELD…people will talk forever.
let them wonder why the team with the interim to the interim is still winning
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:46:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974787I might add, the proof is in the pudding with Vilmas declaration on SportsCenter, BountyGate existed within a toxic environment where that was “ok” to say that on sports center. Stand up for them all you want, but they cheated because they weren’t as talented at football. PERIOD.

It still doesn’t take away the pain of being robbed, but its a small vindication. Vikings fans were watching that game too, there are great YouTube videos of all the cheap shots they took at Favre. Its amazing thats the only way they could win and advance to their first Lobardi Trophy*.

Take your suspension like a man. Quit whining, acting like a bunch of soccer players.

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:31:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974762UH last time i check many players have retired an return as coaches. Just let’s get this da _ season underway WHO DAT NATION going to kick some a_ _ take no prisoner’s.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:07:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974723It’s funny that anyone could say that someone “got what they deserved”, when there is no evidence or credible witnesses and the accused all denies everything NFLM portrayed — even falsifying claims of individual written statements, like Greg Williams statement (never admits to bounty, as many portray), or Hargrove lied (how do you make that leap?).
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:46:20 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974669New Orleans Saints 2012 Super Bowl Champions…….Oh I’m sure Goodell is already having nightmares of the very real possibility.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:18:09 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974602He demands an explanation!
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:10:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974573why is it that these professional sports people cant tell the truth after getting caught red handed. kids look up to sports people even coaches, and when they see that all they do is lie and even after getting caught continue to lie more and more, they are taught that is what you should do, every generation of professional sports people are getting worse and worse.

please change the dirrection, you got caught, please stop telling fibs, and just say your sorry and it wont happen again. your making it worse. cant you see that. no one beleives the lies anyways.

He blames it on coaches not having a union, but that doesn’t hold up, either. The player’s union hasn’t done anything to help the suspended players. Payton could have taken a similar path as Vilma and fought the charges tooth and nail, but didn’t. That may well prove to be the most time effective action and the least damaging to his image, but he doesn’t get to claim he’s innocent after admitting he was guilty.

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:56:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974549Funny how the haters spew about how the coaches stayed quiet and didn’t fight. (totally ignoring the fact that the coaches DID appeal the suspensions). Now SP is speaking up and debunking the haters and they are still talking in force. It’s crow season, get your forks ready!
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:32:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974494The only one that I saw get proved wrong so far is Goodell every piece of evidence that was important to Goodells case was proved to be wrong are completly false but he not a lier.
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NOT TRUE! All the players and fans who initially said there was NO program got proven wrong and then jumped on “It is ONLY pay for performance!” Well, it has also been proven that one of the ‘performances” was the ‘cart off’ hit. It is not as bad as intentionally trying to maim someone, but it is still giving a reward for causing an injury (even a temporary one). That, my friend, qualifies as a bounty.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:28:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974485biggestsaintsfanever says:

All i know is, if i was commish, and i found out they had 10,000 on Farve’s head, I wouldv’ve punished them IMMEDIATELY following the 09 season, and nt waited 2 full years and allow more ppl to be hurt, then release evidence when it looks like a good defense for my concussion lawsuit !!!
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I agree but Goodell didn’t have proof and needed the new CBA written in his favor so that he could make sure he could get away with it, Because in the old CBA he would have had to actually show the evidence

It’s even more frustrating when it looks like they didn’t really have a program, but if they did, it would have been strictly during one game in 2009. There is no circumstantial or actual evidence ANYTHING happened besides the vikes game, so doesn’t it seem like they cleaned up whatever was or wasn’t happening
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So you are saying there was a bounty in place for one game. Isn’t that enough! Listen to yourself!

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:21:47 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974470So now Sean Payton is a lier. Ever since the players got suspended all Saints haters have been saying is that they have to be guilty because the coaches were sitting quiet but now he’s a lier because he said there were things said that aren’t true. The only one that I saw get proved wrong so far is Goodell every piece of evidence that was important to Goodells case was proved to be wrong are completly false but he not a lier.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:19:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974463All i know is, if i was commish, and i found out they had 10,000 on Farve’s head, I wouldv’ve punished them IMMEDIATELY following the 09 season, and nt waited 2 full years and allow more ppl to be hurt, then release evidence when it looks like a good defense for my concussion lawsuit !!!
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:14:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974452It’s even more frustrating when it looks like they didn’t really have a program, but if they did, it would have been strictly during one game in 2009. There is no circumstantial or actual evidence ANYTHING happened besides the vikes game, so doesn’t it seem like they cleaned up whatever was or wasn’t happening?
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:03:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974425I love the dumbass comments about Sean Payton, I would bet the farm that if he was fired today, at least half the teams in the NFL including your team that you love so much, would be knocking on his door tomorrow morning saying ” please Sean, do for my team what you did in New Orleans”, of course then you would love and defend him, but then maybe not, sometimes I forget, every fan is not a member of the WHO DAT NATION. Now leave us and our coach the hell alone.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:41:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974386So Sean…

What exactly has you so upset? If you’re thinking that the league is going to forgive you when you come back, think again.

There will be grudges for years against any team you coach, simply because you’re on that side of the field. Other coaches will most likely run the score up on you and will have no pity on whomever is under center, since you turned a blind eye to what your hired goons were allowed to do.

You brought shame to a team that needed a leader and the fans that are too blind to see it or at least own it.
You’re a disgrace to football, and I wish that you would have received the same suspension that Greg Williams.

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:36:05 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974377It’s even more frustrating when you’re twice told to clean up your program and you lie to Goodell about it….but I get Sean Payton – you’re the victim now.
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:29:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974370I won’t comment on whether he’s guilty or not, but he’s not doing a great job keeping quiet if we’re reading this article before the season actually starts.

Seriously Payton?

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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:27:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974364Mention Sean, and the trolls come out the woods with there biased opinions. Face it guys, Sean is probably one of the greastest coaches to be involved in the game. He was on track to be the youngest all time winning coach, (this is based on his wins in the past six years, then adding to the future pace if it were to continue) lead one of the greatest offenses, and lead a team that broke a record for breaking records (<— way to many to try and type in a single comment). Yet you trolls continue to harp on the vicodins or favor in Goddells direction. Just saying, when I had vicodins after my surgery I coudn't talk straight much less imagine doing any of the stated above, nor have I ever had to deal with mordern day dictator who ''ASSUMES'' he made the right choice ''WITHOUT'' showing the proper evidence. Then again, I might ''ASSUME'' you'll respond with he's holding the ''EVIDENCE'' to protect someone or the franchise, right? DO YOUR JOB! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:19:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1198442#comment-1974354For all the Sean Payton haters – Go get a life already as Sean is more of a man and accomplished more as a man then all of you fools put together!!!!! Who Dat!!!
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