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hehe, lopsided [Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans]...
They look a lil too busy...I like the filled AGD font from the first one but maybe in a different font? The plain look with the AGD would look good I think...
But if I had to choose between the two I'd say the second.

I may be off a bit, but one point to ponder would be that when doing a flame job, all the flames tend to go in ONE general direction. However, the flames used on this frame seem to be used to take up space, NOT add accent.

If that was the intent (to add content) vines would look better. But then again that is not a Paintball Theme (unless it was to be added with a cammo paintjob).

Other than that, I see no positive effect from the flames. And yes, it does look like ["Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans"]... (you know what I am referring to). the overall effect created makes me think of a cheap child's toy.

Just because you CAN does not always mean you SHOULD. I say, keep it simple, keep it strong.

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“The richest man is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.”

Im not to fond of the flames on the first one, but Id say if you were to go with either of them, pick the second one. Why not design a new AGD logo for the frame? Im sure some ppl around here could help to make something catchy, that will make the frame look awesome. Flames are gettin old, we need a new concept. But then again this is only my opinion. Just a little food for thought!!

the second probably goes as the winner. but if you look at a mag, the BEAUTIFUL SIMPLICITY of it, you cant really justify the extra money or time for the flames. DYEs are plain, Benchys are plain, and they all STILL look and sell great. but if it were a must have, go with 2. or perhaps a new design, just the AGD milled in, and perhaps one small milled thing.

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"Sure you've got ROF, but if you really want someone out, you have to go GET them out."

Time...
Leaving at approx. 12;15 EST.
Back... who knows. You know how it is, I do the driving, not the scheduling. LOL

And about the me being "Sawtan-Sucks"... LOL Sure, that is my style alright. LOL But banning me would not solve much... IP Addresses matter little to me. What one do you want me to use to post with next? LOL But you know that TOO. LOL I always prefer to keep things real though.

Oh, and it is nice to see your entertainment with "blind" posters is still going on. LOL

(glad to see someone is on the job... the Tom thing... LOL jk2)
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“The richest man is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.”

I got it!!! If people like the flames and the logo wants/needs to be changed...
AGD Logo in a flame design!!! Woo hoo! D'oh, wait a minute, hows that gonna work anyhow?
I cant picture a font that is flamelike but y'all get the idea.