Here's a quote that could add to the study a bit, just to provoke some thought.

Isaiah 66:22-2422For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name
remain.

23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
saith the LORD.

24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I'm sure there are many in prison who would love to come back and argue the existence of the place. Just like Abraham told that rich man. If somebody
doesn't have an ear to hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will a man coming back from the dead persuade them.

The English language actually lacks a word for Hades or She'ol. It is a common mistake to (mis-)translate Hades or She'ol into Hell. Hell is Gehenna
the fiery Lake of Fire that will show up in the endtime judgement where the unforgiven sinners are cast to be destroyed with sulphur. The
mistranslation of Hades/She'ol into Hell has it's roots in church dogma and books like Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Divine Comedy. Hell is a
Christian concept. Most Jews don't believe in Hell.

BW, I don't know.
I'm pretty sure that there is a place of punishment to one who does not except Yeshua, He did say that it's so bad that you pluck out your eye or
cut off your hand because it makes you sin and that sin will cause you to go there. I don't think taking the trash out was that bad lol.
Here's what I know, there was once a place called sheol, this is what I believe is the space where Abraham's Bossom and the lake of fire exist.
Yeshua gave a parable about a rich dude and a poor dude, the poor dude went to Abraham's Bossom, the rich dude went to the lake of fire, and or Hades
and there was a great gulf or gap between them that nobody could pass. Well if you look in The Book of Enoch, there is this same place (I don't think
it's in the part where Enoch travels to the center of the earth though), a place where some angels are bound up for 70 generations (which is about
7,000 years "70x100=7,000") and some souls are being tortured in a lake of fire. Also hell is a place of wailing and nashing of teeth, so I think it
would be a torturous place. Gehenna is a trash valley, this much is true, sheol is not hell, sorta, but when Yeshua went there, He ministered to the
folks there and they all loaded up and went on to Heaven (my ghetto translation ).
So I believe the place exists and that if you don't except what He did for ya then you'll go there, but I think you did bring up a valid point about
mistranslation and the Catholic Church.

Oh I absolutely agree there's a bad place that non believers go... It's just different places got translated to one place and it's not all the
same. It's not so cut and dry as most make it out to be is my point. I just don't subscribe to the idea of eternal torture. God is rational and
punishment is supposed to instruct. It says you must be saved to have eternal life - so if you are not you can't suffer eternally right? The Bible
mentions the second death. That's pretty much what I believe right now, is that they eventually just cease to exist.

Eh, in my opinion, the second death is eternal seperation from God, that's a pretty bad thing. Here's one way to look at it, the wages of sin is
what? Death. Every action has a reaction, sometimes the reaction is permanent, the thing is if people believe that they will only go to hell for a
little while then why worry about it at all? After all they are just learning a lesson, I don't know if you see what I'm getting at, but it's one
of them things that's hard for me to explain really lol.

the thing is if people believe that they will only go to hell for a little while then why worry about it at all?

I understand and I also wouldn't bet on universal salvation. It's appropriate to warn people but I don't believe fear of hell is what draws people
to God. It's his mercy - so I wanted to try and emphasize that when I posted this thread.

I agree with what defcon said. The gospels and Jesus talk about hell. All over the bible it talk about hell. The bible says the gates to hell are wide
and open. To say that there is no hell is to say that Jesus is a lier. And I believe in every word that Jesus teaches us.

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