Wow- Ravens come to town and yet another thread degenerates into "Ray is a murderer"...

How about doing something positive?

The facts are all out there; opinions are all out there- make your choices.
Whatever transpired that night has nothing to do with his on-field legacy.

So NOT true. If not for his on-field legacy, THAT night would have been just another night in Atlanta that 99.9999% of the world never knows/cares of. If you don't believe that night will forever be linked to his name and his legacy you are kidding yourself.

It may or may not be fair, but it's the cruel reality of the court of public opinion.

Wow- Ravens come to town and yet another thread degenerates into "Ray is a murderer"...

How about doing something positive?

The facts are all out there; opinions are all out there- make your choices.

Whatever transpired that night has nothing to do with his on-field legacy.

There's probably a reason why that happens when the Ravens come to town. It might have something to do with those facts. The dude ditched his clothes faster than OJ could lose a pair of gloves but pointing out the obvious is being negative because Ray's a great player?

There's probably a reason why that happens when the Ravens come to town. It might have something to do with those facts. The dude ditched his clothes faster than OJ could lose a pair of gloves but pointing out the obvious is being negative because Ray's a great player?

Nope.

I like Ray but his actions are simply indefensible regarding that case. I think he grew up rough and had some hanger-ons from the wrong crowd. I've read about the case from many different angles, and it's really difficult to say with any certainty what exactly happened that night. I do not believe that he committed the murders, though.

I do think he's a good man at his core. He was not a trouble-maker before that night and he's been nothing but a solid, upstanding citizen since then. I can't blame anyone for their opinions in connection with that tragic night, but I also look big picture and do not see man in a pattern of trouble. If anything, he's out there telling his story and the wake up call that a jail cell was for his life.

I did not always feel this way. I used to convict him in the trial of public opinion, as well.

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I like Ray but his actions are simply indefensible regarding that case. I think he grew up rough and had some hanger-ons from the wrong crowd. I've read about the case from many different angles, and it's really difficult to say with any certainty what exactly happened that night. I do not believe that he committed the murders, though.

I do think he's a good man at his core. He was not a trouble-maker before that night and he's been nothing but a solid, upstanding citizen since then. I can't blame anyone for their opinions in connection with that tragic night, but I also look big picture and do not see man in a pattern of trouble. If anything, he's out there telling his story and the wake up call that a jail cell was for his life.

I did not always feel this way. I used to convict him in the trial of public opinion, as well.

Who cares right now. He's out for the year and that's all that matters right now.

I don't care how it affects the Ravens. Nobody gave a damn when we had half our ****ing team out throughout the year last year. I won't feel sympathy for any team ever again after what we had to go through last year.

Who cares right now. He's out for the year and that's all that matters right now.

I don't care how it affects the Ravens. Nobody gave a damn when we had half our ****ing team out throughout the year last year. I won't feel sympathy for any team ever again after what we had to go through last year.

This is really all that matters. He's not playing and how that affects the game is all I'm interested in. I know enough to not assume that just because a player like this (declining skills not withstanding) is out it means that the other team will be hurting. The Ravens defense will be possibly a little better on the field and maybe a little lacking in the heart but even that can be a motivator. They'll have the mindset of feeling they need to win one for Lewis and Webb. They'll come in focused on compensating for that loss and playing at a higher level if possible. At the same time the Texans will hopefully be trying to prove that Sunday night wasn't them and using that for motivation.

Should be a good game. First seed in the AFC is up for grabs and both teams have significant reasons to be additionally motivated. The team that can't get up for this game needs to have its pulse checked. Hope that doesn't end up being us.

i dont know what happened, and there hasnt been an argument on either side to convince me of anything. what i know is that ray is one of the greatest players to ever step on to the field. i know that he's an inspiration to dang near every player in the league, and to millions watching. i know he offers himself to any player asking for advice or guidance, be they teammate or rival (including our own). i know he spends time in the community as do many superstars, but few do so with such fervor, taking each encounter personally.

it sucks that he's going to miss this game because honestly i like watching him play. i'd like to watch him lose this weekend obviously, but ray ray's one that i would rather have on the field when we face the ravens.

Really and truly, I think Ray is going to have a hard look at himself this offseason and is probably going to have to make a tough decision about whether he wants to come back to the NFL for a 17th year.

yeah...but Ed Reed is still going to be there...UNLESS...we get Hines Ward to come out of retirement for one game to try to break his jaw again.

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