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Topic: Florida ADAP waiting list (Read 15538 times)

Beware to people thinking of moving down to Florida. I went in to pick up my hiv meds today at the ADAP pharmacy and was handed a paper stating that waiting lists will be initiated for new enrollees of ADAP and the ADAP formulary is also being cut. The Ryan White formulary however is staying the same. For those of us already enrolled in ADAP we are ok as long as we pick up our meds on time every month and re-enroll in ADAP in a timely manner every 6months. So one of the drugs I will no longer be able to get is Andro Gel. I've been getting it thru ADAP for 9 yrs now. But no more. Guess I'll have to pay for the cheaper shots which I absolutel hate. Around 120bucks for a 10ml vial of testosterone.

I know i've read other posts about problems with ADAP funding all over the country but my god Florida has like the 2nd or 3rd largest number of HIV cases in the country and I had thought funding was based on number of hiv cases each state has. If so, what the hell is florida doing with all the money they get from the federal government??? I always read about other much much smaller states having waiting lists but i never thought I'd see the day Florida would implement one. I notice from the lists of states with waiting lists.......neither California nor New York have waits. So what the f is going on in florida?

Also how about cutting illegal immigrants off the rolls or making them go to the back of the line for services?? One thing that has always really ticked me off down here is those of us here legally have to go in and do a song and dance to get enrolled in ADAP. Illegals just stroll in with a letter of support and get medical care thrown into their laps. Also how about cutting ADAP for those in prison that have been found guilty of heinous crimes?

You know one thing. I used to live in Chicago. We got our meds up there thru the mail. They have all these pharmacies here with all these workers that just basically stand around and pick their noses. If they want to save money here, for example, let's shut down the pharmacies.......get rid of all the workers and get the meds thru the mail. I mean if they are short on funding and need to cut costs that's the first place I'd do it. And also how about we stop sending millions of dollars worth of medications over to Africa and start taking care of our own here in this country. Sorry but I'm sick and tired of the US having to hold the world's hand. It's about time other countries stepped to the plate and helped out.

And from what I've read it's all about politics as usual and who is afraid not to get elected this fall. So screw the people dying of AIDS just so you can hold that precious senate or congressional seat. You know i'm really sick and tired of the republicans and those blue dog democrats.

The tea baggers think and accuse Obama of being a socialist. I'm begging to wish he was one! We need to switch to a socialized democracy. But oh well that will never happen b/c we live in such a backwoods, redneck country.

(I'm behind you on all your outrage, except I do hope you can tone it down on the rights of illegals and prisoners. Prisoners are US citizens mostly and have rights, despite their crimes. And illegals often pay taxes and certainly dont have an easy life.)

I particularly agree with your last two paragraphs!

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

I know i've read other posts about problems with ADAP funding all over the country but my god Florida has like the 2nd or 3rd largest number of HIV cases in the country and I had thought funding was based on number of hiv cases each state has. If so, what the hell is florida doing with all the money they get from the federal government???

funding is based on last year's numbers because they have no way to accurately predict how many new cases will show up during the current year along with how many of those cases will need ADAP funding. Plus there is only a limited amount of money set aside for ADAP so if your state's ADAP rolls would jump by say 2000 people this year, there still might not be enough Federal funds for your state.

Then you'll find that most of the ADAP crisises happening (11 states now) are because the states also contribute to the ADAP fund. Many states are strapped in their budgets and ADAP is way down on the list of things to pay for. Recently SC contemplated paying NOTHING to the ADAP program or to any HIV prevention programs. (SC ADAP Funding Cut Protest Rally)

Sorry but illegals are here illegaly. They are committing a crime and should be rewarded for it. One of the main reasons illegals come here is b/c they know they will get free health care (along with companies luring them here with jobs). Very unfair to those of us who play the game and abide the laws. Whether or not they pay taxes is a mute point. I'm not saying they should be pushed out of ADAP altogether but they should go to the back of the line in terms of getting the services. They should be the ones on the waiting lists. Those of us who are US citizens and pay taxes should be receiving these services first.

2nd as for prisoners so we should be keeping a murderer alive while law abiding citizens are being put on wait lists. I mean we are talking cutting costs here. If it's drastic measures we need to insure those of us playing the game fairly get these services then we are going to have to make tuff choices.

I was with you until you brought illegals and prisoners into it. I just feel it was unnecessary and it won't change the problem. Most illegals actually pay something like 80% of the taxes that we pay. They even pay into social security and medicare, but can't get it. I would have to find the study, but I'm pretty sure I'm correct. If you excluded these people, tax payers would end up paying for the care they would need when they ended up in the hospital from AIDS. That would be much more expensive.

Instead of turning this into a thread about illegals and prisioners, how bout why the gov't can't fund this but we just topped $1 Trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have the money. We just need to pressure Congress.

Also how about cutting ADAP for those in prison that have been found guilty of heinous crimes?

You know one thing. I used to live in Chicago. We got our meds up there thru the mail.

You might be pleased to learn that California is actually considering a proposed elimination of ADAP services in city and county jails. However, somehow I doubt that that is where the heinous criminals are kept.

You might have left Chicago just in time. Illinois is seriously considering initiating an ADAP waiting list. If not, it is proposed that Illinois reduce the drug formulary, lower the financial eligibility, and cap monthly expenditures.

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"No one will ever be free so long as there are pestilences."--Albert Camus, "The Plague"

"Mankind can never be free until the last brick in the last church falls on the head of the last priest."--Voltaire

Having the second or third largest cases of HIV in the country may not help you, it may actually hurt. Clearly, as they're proposing a waiting list for services.

And Illinois has a budget crisis currently that is rivaling that of California. So I wouldn't be too keen on Chicago, either.

Quoted from Wikipedia:

The 2009 U.S. military budget is almost as much as the rest of the world's defense spending combined and is over nine times larger than the military budget of China (compared at the nominal US dollar / Renminbi rate, not the PPP rate). The United States and its close allies are responsible for two-thirds to three-quarters of the world's military spending (of which, in turn, the U.S. is responsible for the majority)

(I know it's not the best source in the world, but it's early, throw me a bone).

And the defense spending just rose, and is slated to be $664 billion in 2010. You'd think that they could throw a little of that money back to you know, the people who gave them the majority of through health and social services.

Once again for the "blame the brown man" crowd. Illegal aliens do not qualify for ADAP/Ryan White funds. It is against the law. Oh and before you go pointing fingers at others, there are plenty of Americans that don't want their tax dollars going to people with AIDS. They look at YOU the same way you look at others.

Once again for the "blame the brown man" crowd. Illegal aliens do not qualify for ADAP/Ryan White funds. It is against the law. Oh and before you go pointing fingers at others, there are plenty of Americans that don't want their tax dollars going to people with AIDS. They look at YOU the same way you look at others.

CA ADAPBe living in California. Special note: applicants are not required to be United States citizens or legal permanent residents. Legal residency in the United States is not required for participation in the ADAP program.http://www.apla.org/programs/benefits/adap.html

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leatherman (aka mIkIE)

All the stars are flashing high above the seaand the party is on fire around you and meWe're gonna burn this disco down before the morning comes- Pet Shop Boys chart from 1992-2015Isentress/Prezcobix

I am totally onboard with your frustrations regarding ADAP waiting lists and cost containment strategies. It's hard to fathom that this is happening in the US. ..Americans on waiting lists are akin to Ugandans who go without meds. It's shameless that this is happening.

However I think we shouldnt condemn Illegals and prisoners to death by not allwoing them to access HAART thru ADAP, especailly when a mere $130 million annually (roughly) would clear all ADAP waiting lists. I say "mere" because in the scheme of things $130 million is not much to save lives when we are allocating 100 times that amount in pork projects, wars, stimulus programs, bailouts, new war planes, NYC FLyovers by Air Force One......etc....etc....ad nauseum ETc...

Really? I share your concerns regarding ADAP waiting lists. However, if your going to think globally and try to correlate illegal immigrants and the amount of U.S. foreign aid as the cause of underfunding, then please educate yourself on the facts.

First, the U.S. spends approximately 0.2% of its GNP on foreign aid. The raw dollar amount may be more than any other country. However, in terms of our GNP, the amount the U.S. spends on foreign aid is far less than any other industrialized nation. In fact, out of the top 22 industrialized nations, the U.S ranks last.

Second, the poorest nations receive the least amount of foreign aid. This includes Africa.

Thirdly, illegal immigrants do pay taxes. Maybe not all of them. But then again, neither do all U.S. citizens. You don't need a social security number. Illegal immigrants pay taxes through a federal tax id number. Yes, they pay into social security and medicare. Yet, they will never be able to receive those benefits. Basically, these illegal immigrants are assisting in keeping these programs solvent for you and I.

Lastly, I urge you step out of your comfort zone for just a few moments and ponder why people blatantly break the law and come here illegally to begin with. Let me use an example maybe even you can relate to. Imagine you live somewhere with poor healthcare. You or your child is HIV+. There is no availability to HIV meds. And if there was, you couldn't afford them because your salary amounted to only a few dollars a day. Yet, just beyond the horizon is a world where you can work, feed your family, and receive life saving meds. It's a matter of life or death. Do you stay where you are, or do you break the law and try to support yourself and family by coming to the U.S.?

I think I know your answer. And unless your native american, your ancestors made the same decision.

Who fucking cares is illegals get free drugs - they are human after all. Also, deny prisoners access to drugs would be akin to the death penalty. Most prisoners are non violent felons, so they should be allowed to die horribly because they are in prison?

God, if you are that upset about it, get arrested and go to jail. Free drugs, rent, and food!

I agree with Dachshund, most taxpayers would get rid of any ADAP funds knowing that is going to people "like us".

Who fucking cares is illegals get free drugs - they are human after all. Also, deny prisoners access to drugs would be akin to the death penalty. Most prisoners are non violent felons, so they should be allowed to die horribly because they are in prison?

God, if you are that upset about it, get arrested and go to jail. Free drugs, rent, and food!

I agree with Dachshund, most taxpayers would get rid of any ADAP funds knowing that is going to people "like us".

Good point. I know many of us have paid our share of taxes over our working lives, but have any of us paid enough to cover the roads we drive on, making sure our planes fly safe in the air, to make sure our water, meds, and food are safe, and the benefits we get from ADAP...and the list goes on. We all need help and I know I haven't paid in more than the benefits I've gotten. So, I can't go around saying who should get help and who shouldn't.

I wonder if Mikie, Greg and the other xenophobes who flip their shit about "illegal immigunts" every time ADAP issues are raised could inform the rest of us just how many undocumenteds are on the ADAP lists in their respective states?

"Dichotomous thinking is also sometimes called “black or white thinking.” This is when someone is only able to see the extremes of a situation, and is unable to see the “gray areas” or complexities of the situation. For example, a student who engages in dichotomous thinking may believe that if they don't get an "A" in class then they have failed.

Dichotomous thinking is a very common problem in people with borderline personality disorder (BPD). In this disorder, people tend to see themselves, others, and the world as either “all good” or “all bad.” Dichotomous thinking in BPD is linked to splitting behavior.

Very surprised Florida is starting a wait list with the number of cases they have.Even when I lived there, the treatment was shoddy at best with a number of drugs not available.I too feel the same about money raised in USA going to Africa...fuck those in the most dire circumstances are near deaths door everyday. What good is it to provide for those who have no futures. I am not playing God here at all, it is just we need to get back to making this country the strongest on the planet...and by that I mean we need to care for our own first, Africans second.I am however all for providing the basic combos of illegals here who are working. You know once a week when they get their measly paychecks, they are out partying and partying leads to unsafe sex leading to new infections IN OUR COUNTRY. Sure they might be sending their $$$ back to Mexico, but no way are they sending their infected, still able to work people back over the border.Does this all sound racist? I am trying not to as I am a person of color....a fb native American. I educated myself, worked constantly since I was 16 many times with multiple jobs. Up to 7 years ago, I was able to work in an upper level management position paying a good portion of my salary to cover myself and others in this country. At present, I am totally disabled and have been on SSDI and ADAP with no coverage at all.Monthly med costs? $6800. with nothing that I can do without. Do I feel guilty about the cost of my free meds and free care? Not at all as for years I paid in without any feelings that I should not have to and a treaty signed many years ago promised health care for my tribe. No one can dispute my situation as it was written with the descendants of those who were raped rounded up to be placed on a tiny piece of barren land or if they resisted, they were starved, infected with diseases or killed. Under the cloud of guilt, these treaties were written and I am here with my hand out. Ass backwards thing, I have a good friend in a similar situation who is being forced to move back to his family on the reservation...most likely to die within a few months. He was told there were no funds in SD and he would be placed on a waiting list as 2/3 of HIV infected individuals are. The wait time for the last one signed will be from 2 - 3 years. He does have the option of receiving basic care through the Indian run PHS, but was told upfront and very matter of faculty that his status would most likely be spread throughout his community....they in no way could guarantee that his status would remain confidential.Unbelievable isn't it? He's going to be dead either way, it is his choice now of dying in a urban area with no support system or he can return home and receive the PHS system and have his family face discrimination and hate crimes once they learn his condition.And we have money and support for Africans on a continent half way around the world. Who are the racist rednecks now? Yep, citizens of SD...and many other states in the US. Here we were voting for a Black man to fix all ills of our society which many are facing....and just like Gay Marriage, DADT (yeah it is coming) we will be shut out just as we were when Nancy and Ron were handling the health care of scummy butt fuckers.

I wonder if Mikie, Greg and the other xenophobes who flip their shit about "illegal immigunts" every time ADAP issues are raised could inform the rest of us just how many undocumenteds are on the ADAP lists in their respective states?

MtD

Who really gives a fuck about how many undocumented workers are on waiting lists or not? Are they working and paying into the system? If so, then yes they have every right to receive the care they deserve. Just because our elected officials cannot get their shit together enough to come to a viable and workable solution to monitoring our borders, why should they have to suffer?

"Dichotomous thinking is also sometimes called “black or white thinking.” This is when someone is only able to see the extremes of a situation, and is unable to see the “gray areas” or complexities of the situation. For example, a student who engages in dichotomous thinking may believe that if they don't get an "A" in class then they have failed.

Dichotomous thinking is a very common problem in people with borderline personality disorder (BPD). In this disorder, people tend to see themselves, others, and the world as either “all good” or “all bad.” Dichotomous thinking in BPD is linked to splitting behavior.Also Known As: black or white thinking"

Judgemental call at it's finest!!Reminds me of when I revealed I was taking Hydrocodone, Oxycontin, Xanax and a few other must have drugs to keep me pain free and my sanity in place....many were quick to step forward to call me and others addicts and pass judgement on me as though I was shooting heroin.Just remember, without seeing the extremes in ANY situation, positive change will never be enacted to our benefit.And getting this thread closed for speaking the truth as many of us see it? We all have opinions and I am sorry if mine does not go with the grain and does not 'upset' anyone. As strong as we all have been forced to be because of our illness and daily extreme pain, we are sure quick to call foul and have our opinions silenced.

Buca45 - this wasn't about you but getting so upset about it might explain some things. BTW - I didn't make up the definition of black and white thinking so your anger might be directed at the psychological community.

And your post is ridiculously racist and no, just because you are "a person of color" does not make you exempt from making racist comments.

Who really gives a fuck about how many undocumented workers are on waiting lists or not? Are they working and paying into the system? If so, then yes they have every right to receive the care they deserve. Just because our elected officials cannot get their shit together enough to come to a viable and workable solution to monitoring our borders, why should they have to suffer?

Well Buca, GregFTL and Leatherman appear to care. Everytime this comes up they screech about illegal immigrants forcing good folks of the ADAP lists.

So I'm asking them, how many illegals are on the lists? Since they seem to know every other thing under the fucking sun, I presume they must know that as well.

Sorry but if you are here illegally, paying taxes or not, you are breaking the law. Illegal immigrant contains the word ILLEGAL. And yes DACHSHUND they do allow illegals here working or not to get ADAP/Ryan White services. I have the ADAP elegibility handbook sitting right here in front of me that i downloaded off the florida dept of health website. Undocumented workers only need to bring in proof of income and the elegibility worker will assign them identification numbers and those who dont work and pay taxes simply need to bring in a letter of support from the person they live with.

From the handbook:

"Citizenship of the US and immigration status are not required as a condition of elegibility for the HIV/AIDS (ADAP/Ryan White) Patient Care programs. Applicants who are undocumented/illegal aliens do not have social security numbers and are identified using alternate identification numbers. Elegibility providers are not required to report undocumented aliens to the Immigration and Naturalization Services".

As I stated I am not saying to push tax paying illegals out altogether but they should go to the end of the line when it comes to receiving these services b/c sorry they arent following the rules. They are breaking the law, hence they are criminals. To put US citizens on a waiting list and allow an illegal alien, esp one that doesnt even pay taxes, to receive ADAP services first just isnt fair.

So now the criteria for being a racist is that you cant think that someone here illegally that is breaking the law should have to go to the back of the line and do it the right way??? That's pitiful. Christ sakes you cant even have an opinion anymore in the country without having to be "politically correct". Sorry, this is how I feel. Illegal is illegal. I sure dont break the law. And I dont think that those who do should be rewarded for it!

Illegal aliens amass 40million dollars a year in unpaid medical bills just here in the state of Florida. So that will you how many illegals we have living down here. Something has got to give here this country is in dire straights right now. No, moving illegals to the back of the line for ADAP wont alone solve the funding crisis but it is one step. Number 2 is close all the ADAP pharmacies and do meds thru mail order like in Illinois. Imagine how much money that would save. Have people in ADAP pay small 25 dollar co-pays when they pick up their meds and a 25 dollar co-pay when they utilize medical services thru Ryan White. That would generate some needed cash.

And I'm just curious too about health insurance reform. They passed it back in March and I thought within 90 days the federal govt was going to take 5 billion dollars and setup temporary health insurance co-ops or whatever they are called for those of us with pre-existing conditions. I would gladly purchase insurance instead of having to go thru the ole ADAP song and dance ritual. If they want to get people out of ADAP b/c of funding .....so others can enroll get these co-ops going already. That would surely ease the stress on states trying to fund ADAP.

I see from your older posts that you are gay and that you became HIV-positive around 2000. Perhaps you don't realize that your HIV infection was the result of sodomitic practices, which were illegal before the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. You, too, are guilty of breaking the law.

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"No one will ever be free so long as there are pestilences."--Albert Camus, "The Plague"

"Mankind can never be free until the last brick in the last church falls on the head of the last priest."--Voltaire

Sorry but at the time I got HIV i was living in Illinois. Illinois repealed their sodomy law back in 1962 so sorry to disappoint you but I didnt break any law. I lived all my life from the time I was born in 1969 in Illinois then moved to FL in 2005. So I havent broken any law here in terms of sodomy since the supreme court took care of that for the states who hadnt replealed it back in that 2003 ruling u stated. Look it up on wikipedia before you think u have your "gotcha" moment.

Sorry but at the time I got HIV i was living in Illinois. Illinois repealed their sodomy law back in 1962 so sorry to disappoint you but I didnt break any law. I lived all my life from the time I was born in 1969 in Illinois then moved to FL in 2005. So I havent broken any law here in terms of sodomy since the supreme court took care of that for the states who hadnt replealed it back in that 2003 ruling u stated. Look it up on wikipedia before you think u have your "gotcha" moment.

I didn't look it up on Wikipedia because I was going by your post of 2/20/08, in which you stated that you began living in Ft. Lauderdale in 2001. Florida's anti-sodomy provision was still in effect then.

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"No one will ever be free so long as there are pestilences."--Albert Camus, "The Plague"

"Mankind can never be free until the last brick in the last church falls on the head of the last priest."--Voltaire

First of all yes I did live part time down here back in 2001 but my residency was in Illinois. I came down here from time to time to help out a friend with full blown AIDS. 2nd of all the question is mute anyways b/c I have had an anal fissure since aug 2000 which prevents me from having anal sex and I do not top. So now i've revealed something embarrassing about myself just to debate you about sodomy laws. You're an idiot. Christ you have so much time on your hands that you can go back 2-3yrs and read all of my posts. Should I give you my social security number and date of birth too so you can do a background check on me??? Get a life!

Christ you have so much time on your hands that you can go back 2-3yrs and read all of my posts. Should I give you my social security number and date of birth too so you can do a background check on me??? Get a life!

Those details would be helpful. We'd just like to establish the legality of your residency.

Move to the US. Deal with the ADAP song and dance and then provide us with some insight b/c as it stands you have no clue what you are talking about b/c you have never experienced what it is like to get HIV assistance/health care in the United States.

For crying out loud you have socialized medicine where u live. Your govt provides you with all your needs. You have no idea what you have to go thru to get into ADAP here in the US. Plus u dont have 10's of millions of illegals streaming into your country that you have to stand in line with to get health care.

You're an idiot. You're going on my ignore list so no need for me to see your idiotic posts. Oh I love that ignore button and that phrase everytime a troll posts... "this user is currently ignored"

Move to the US. Deal with the ADAP song and dance and then provide us with some insight b/c as it stands you have no clue what you are talking about b/c you have never experienced what it is like to get HIV assistance/health care in the United States.

For crying out loud you have socialized medicine where u live. Your govt provides you with all your needs. You have no idea what you have to go thru to get into ADAP here in the US. Plus u dont have 10's of millions of illegals streaming into your country that you have to stand in line with to get health care.

First of all yes I did live part time down here back in 2001 but my residency was in Illinois. I came down here from time to time to help out a friend with full blown AIDS. 2nd of all the question is mute anyways b/c I have had an anal fissure since aug 2000 which prevents me from having anal sex and I do not top. So now i've revealed something embarrassing about myself just to debate you about sodomy laws. You're an idiot. Christ you have so much time on your hands that you can go back 2-3yrs and read all of my posts. Should I give you my social security number and date of birth too so you can do a background check on me??? Get a life!

If your residency was in Illinois, how did you get onto the Ryan White and ADAP rolls in Florida? Were you registered for ADAP in both Illinois and in Florida? And oh, by the way, sodomy laws prohibit oral sex as well as anal.

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"No one will ever be free so long as there are pestilences."--Albert Camus, "The Plague"

"Mankind can never be free until the last brick in the last church falls on the head of the last priest."--Voltaire

I had several months of backup meds so I could travel back and forth. As for oral sex I havent done that either since I developed the anal fissure. I completely hate oral sex it is a yawn fest. When I stopped being able to have anal sex.....sex stopped for me altogether. Sex is of no interest to me. I have had a partner for 13yrs now and I am with him for the companionship. Sex is the last thing on either of our minds. Boy, fags and their one track minds. Everything is about sex!!!

I had several months of backup meds so I could travel back and forth. As for oral sex I havent done that either since I developed the anal fissure. I completely hate oral sex it is a yawn fest. When I stopped being able to have anal sex.....sex stopped for me altogether. Sex is of no interest to me. I have had a partner for 13yrs now and I am with him for the companionship. Sex is the last thing on either of our minds. Boy, fags and their one track minds. Everything is about sex!!!