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Topic: First Kiss Weirdness (Read 10078 times)

I got back into the game recently, and something strange happened with the first kiss. I had a romance teen who actually got her first kiss on her first day as a teenager, and her first makeout too, and of course she then rolls the want to have three. So I go downtown, find a new target, they were able to make out pretty quickly. She meets another guy with the same amount of chemistry, but there's not even a kiss submenu under casual even though there are kisses available under the normal Maxis menu because of the chemistry (but no makeout). I figure it's just a glitch, so I go home and invite him over. Still no kiss menu. I leave them for a bit to go do something else, and later I notice he's going up to her to do a social, so I check her queue, and it says first kiss... they do the kiss, the cut scene plays and everything, even though this obviously isn't her first kiss. After this, the kiss menu is available and so is makeout. Was it because it was the townie's first kiss? I've never had this happen before, though, and I started this hood out with a romance sim, and I think I would have remembered if every one of her conquests had generated a first kiss cut scene.

Yeah, I've seen first kisses be lost because someone got kissed goodbye or something, before. But I don't think I've seen townies initiate first kisses, or ACR block kisses because a townie hadn't had their first one yet, when Maxis kisses were available.

Just user-to-user support, TJ does come around occasionally, but not to give support to his mods. However, both BO and AH (Ancient Highway) are experienced modders, and you can rely on the advice they give you as being well-thought-out and as accurate as possible.

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"All the world's a Neighbourhood, and all the men and women merely Sims." ZephyrZodiac with apologies to Willie Waggledagger.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that your help was less accurate because you weren't TwoJeffs. It's not like Sims 2 hacks are closed source, I'm sure there are plenty of people other than TwoJeffs who know how ACR works. I was just trying to assess the deadness of the Sims 2 fandom. MATY Sims 2 forums have been pretty dead for a long time, for example. I was surprised they got as into Sims 3 as they did, considering how many people over there complained about it.

Yeah, the only places that are truly dead are those that assumed no one was interested in TS2 anymore. Garden of Shadows has a new theme thread every month and many of their creators have active blogs. If there's anything you want recolored, retextured, defaulted or franken-meshed, you only have to ask on their "Wishing Tree" subforum. A wonderful member named Prikke fixed a Maxis mesh for me, so now old guys can wear white shoes!

Sadly, I think the last Sims 1 site is TSR (I admire Ravena's pretty doors from time to time); the last little site, Simplesse Oblige, has new posts on it so infrequently that any questions you post may take ages to get a response on. Hm, maybe I should put my "living with Servo" tutorial up....

Yeah, one of the things that disappointed me about TS3 was that with no mods, it felt like starting over - going back to when the game didn't do anything the way you wanted it to. I have so much stuff in my game to perfect it to just what I want that I don't even really think about it anymore.

I know what you mean! A few years ago, while TJ was still around, I played a game vanilla so I could test a mod for him, and suddenly I was confronted with sims checking out every new item, walking into an occupied bathroom, and kids jumping on beds, etc. etc..... horrible.

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"All the world's a Neighbourhood, and all the men and women merely Sims." ZephyrZodiac with apologies to Willie Waggledagger.

Pity SimFreaks is dead, or you could have added a lot of your clothing that needed meshes.... and I suppose for today's audience, you'd have to add Adele or Rhianna...

Damn, I lost the 98 machine when we lost our house (that was my own stupidity), so I lost my copies of the meshes (and a bunch of other stuff) too. I don't know what Heather did to the SimFreaks site, but Jerome's meshes and Fionn's hairs went to the bit bucket in the sky even before the main site disappeared. Guess she didn't back up the subdomains...

Heather just lost interest after the forum was hacked several times. I have most of her SF2 stuff, but I lost all my SF1 stuff when I had a computer meltdown years ago, and never got around to getting it back. Just kept hanging on for her to put everything on a CD....

It's such a shame, SF1 was just about the best Sims 1 site there was, and some of the artists uploading stuff there were brilliant. I used to love Teresa's new objects, like the swing set and the rocking chair.

Well, this was an ACR thing, because the Maxis kisses were available. But I guess if it happens again, I'll just use a Maxis kiss to clear the first kiss out of the system...

Here I go, popping up with a comment about the problem prompting the post long after the thread's been derailed.

While your player sim had the kiss interactions available on the Maxis menu, chances are the NPC sim only had First Kiss. You could have forced a non-ACR kiss, then ACR would have kicked in. TJ designed it so the opportunity for a First Kiss isn't missed because so romantic sim couldn't wait. I think there's a mod dealing with the Mystery Sim that takes away the Maxis default First Kiss. My romance sims get really frustrated because of it.

I guess this is an argument against using the batbox to delete those memories - the hood would be full of adults getting their first kiss at 20! I barely remember to delete the boring gossip as it is, though.

You are exactly right, rufio: deleting "Mystery Sim" memories the way the batbox does, indeed causes a problem with adults and YAs being hard to access for romance.

But then, the way the batbox handles "boring memories" is also somewhat problematic. It will delete all "Met Sim" memories indiscriminately. That means that only the "kissed Mystery Sim" and "did Woohoo with Mystery Sim" memories remain. But the option to kill Mystery Sim memories *specifically* tests for the "Met Mystery Sim" memory in order to identify the MS sequence. So, after "delete boring", it is no longer possible to delete "Mystery Sim" memories, though the option remains available in the menu.

I designed my "No Sim Loaded" mod, which - among other functions - automatically destroys a number of memories, to test whether the subject of a "Met Sim" memory is "Mystery Sim". If so, the memory is not deleted ever. This way, all boring memories are removed, but "Mystery Sim" sequences remain intact in case you wish to delete those using the batbox.

I thought met sim memories were deleted by the "delete trash memories" option, and the boring gossip option just deleted gossip tokens that were no longer interesting enough to be gossiped about. At least, that was how it was explained to me. I don't delete the "trash" memories, because I actually prefer to keep them.

You're right, of course. I used to delete trash memories, but no longer need to with BO's NSL. I don't worry about all the met sim memories, or the vast number of made 1st BFF memories, either.

I always delete the Mystery Sim memories unless the adult CAS sim is a single parent. Funnily enough, I've found that some CAS students find it very hard to *awaken* while others it's almost instantaneous.

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"All the world's a Neighbourhood, and all the men and women merely Sims." ZephyrZodiac with apologies to Willie Waggledagger.

I thought met sim memories were deleted by the "delete trash memories" option, and the boring gossip option just deleted gossip tokens that were no longer interesting enough to be gossiped about. At least, that was how it was explained to me. I don't delete the "trash" memories, because I actually prefer to keep them.

You are absolutely right, ofcourse, rufio. Thank you for correcting me, and please forgive me for misquoting the correct phrases. I haven't used these options anymore ever since I created NSL to replace it, almost 6 yrs ago. So I forgot...

Um, is it the "met Sim" memories or the existence of a relationship resource with another Sim that determines if a Sim can make phone calls to other Sims? I use a hack that lets Sims call anyone in the 'hood similar to the University call directory, because some of my Sims have a heck of a time meeting enough people for their next promotion!

Nice to know that NSL prevents enough trouble to balance out keeping the "trash memories"!

The *met sim* memories don't affect whether the said sim is known to your sim, so they don't affect the phone book. For all his faults, a certain modder would never have made it possible to delete them indiscriminately if they did. Just as any other memory, deleting it doesn't mean something didn't happen, and it doesn't even stop your sim from gossiping about it.

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"All the world's a Neighbourhood, and all the men and women merely Sims." ZephyrZodiac with apologies to Willie Waggledagger.

Anyway, ZZ is right: the memories are totally unimportant. Their only function is to provide you with a a timeline in which the proper order of events is logged, should you care about such things. It's the existence of the relationship files that determine that you can call a sim.

I don't think Pescado is nearly as mean as everyone seems to think, actually. There's a cult of personality centering around a really mean persona, IME the Pes himself never really said anything truly nasty that was actually in serious. At least while I was there, he rarely said anything on MATY that wasn't directly related to hacks.

That's true, rufio. I have never had dealings with Pescado himself, so I can't say much about him as a person. One may say about Pes whatever one wants, but *I* only know two things about him:

He has a tendency to incorporate undocumented and unexpected features in many of his mods.

He has a bunch of mean fans who will tear you apart for asking questions about his mods and those features.

The first is his prerogative. If you don't agree with the way someone constructs their mods, you can refrain from using them. Which is what I try to do: I still have quite a few of Pes' mods in my game, simply because no better alternatives exist. If I can get rid of them in favor of something more to my liking, I will. Because that's my prerogative.The second is something that isn't even his fault, so I've never held it against him. The worst one might be able to say, is that Pes doesn't stop those fans from tearing noobs apart. I always have and always will advise people to not ask questions at MATY, but that is not to avoid Pes himself at all.

Being mean is not on this list. Therefor I'd never say that about him.

Pes actually was never the reason I stopped posting at Maty. I always found him very helpful and he taught me a great deal. He actually got a good deal of teasing and was never, as far as I remember, particularly nasty in return. Certain Matyites, however.....

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"All the world's a Neighbourhood, and all the men and women merely Sims." ZephyrZodiac with apologies to Willie Waggledagger.

I'd say he usually documents things reasonably well that can't be figured out from the options. TJ did something similar with ACR 2 when he said in the documentation that the options should be obvious (but apparently making them always try for baby is not an option anymore...) The only real exception for this is the batbox, and that's because a lot of things on it are "not for peasants". Everyone's mods are going to be different, because everyone plays the game slightly differently. Once you get used to the idea of how Pescado plays the game, the behavior of his mods becomes transparent.

I dunno, he's rather cruel to his favorites/staff. Of course, they do stay there and take it, so I suppose there's a staff forum somewhere, where he's more gentle to them and they discuss being nasty on the main forums. The owner himself has also labelled people 12s, which sets the whole community after them.

Kind of like chickens and pecking order. They rip on every speck of blood until most visitors give up and leave.

One time, someone was foolish enough to post a WCIF for a certain hairstyle. I sent her a link via PM, half expecting to never hear from her again. Amazingly, she said thank you, although I don't think she ever posted on the forums again (at least not under that name).

Oh, well, when I'm in a crappy mood, I know where I can go to poke people with sticks and get over it.

Yeah, Macrotastics and lobonanny are must haves. I haven't had any real nanny problems since installing lobonanny and doing the zip and delete on the (insert favorite slur on annoying elderly women here). I had one nanny actually make cookies without burning down the whole house! Forceable Yummy channel watching for the win!

Pes has a grumpy old man's dislike of teenagers, but that's not really anything new. I've never seen him personally actually call any witchhunts, except against Walt. I've never been eaten for asking WCIF on MATY, either, and god knows they don't like me. They just get very upset over there if you post it outside the WCIF thread.

The "staff" as it were stays because they think it's cool to be assholes and they can justify it at MATY. Nothing else to it, I don't think. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of assholes on Facebook and twitter, without there being a "public outcry". It's the internet, there are tons of assholes.