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SWIM has aquired JWH-250 approx .855g (1g - it was under ) from a UK. vendor at least SWIM didnt get ripped. SWIM felt he should post his findings. SWIM has had this sample for 1 month now, and has smoked/vaped approx 0.5-0.7g over the month, initial vape was approx 1-3mg, enough to know he had got something distinctly different to JWH-018 & JWH-073, at least knowing his sample hopefully wasnt mislabled.

The sample was pure white, and in comparison to JWH-018 & JWH-073 seemed more fluffy/larger, lightly more stickyness to itsself, but not damp at all.

body weight & gender Male 70kg.dose taken Approx 5-10mgroute of administration Vape off foilSetting Homeduration of main effects 1/2 hr, then noticible for up to 1+hr more main effects A gorgeous soaring high throughout body and mind, which hits quick, nothing like JWH-018 or JWH-073, closer to JWH-073, but so much higher, clean/clear, quite sharp, a bit too nice.. 20-30 mins the high has reduced significantly, left with a subtle high which remains for at least another hour.side effects None for short term abuseafter effects not really noticblerating of the experience8.5 - 9.addictive qualities / abuse potential no more than other JWH, but that no childs play if abused for extended periods!any other valuable information tastes real strong.. horrible or is lovely, SWIM almost thought he knew the taste, like bleach/bog cleaner, but most of the time its lovely almost "chemical rose"

After reading SWIMs post again, SWIM realises a lot of this experience is compared against JWH-018 & JWH-073, SWIM hopes theres enough for the SWIY who dont have experience to JWH-018 or JWH-073, to get something from this post.

SWIM would like to add the following;

JWH-250 the high is 'quite' strong, and can be pronounced, if it gets a bit much (over do-ing it say), a small intake of JWH-018 seems to round off the high a bit, a lovely compliment, but also can tame JWH-250 down a bit, if required. JWH-250 compliments other JWH-x and MJ well with regard to to the overall experience, unknown health risks/gains..

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Thanks for adding to the limited experience reports available on this compound.

Thankyou for providing an experience report on this compound

Nice report, thanks for sharing this info.

Appreciate the sharing of SWIMs findings when there is limited amount of data to begin with

Thanks for sharing this experience report; especially since there's so little info on this chemical!

My pet turtle Orion is a regular MJ smoker and recently acquired 100mg of this substance for testing purposes. He is happy to have me report his experiences for the benefit of the community. Orion managed to get his claws around my digital camera and took a few pictures, and he insisted that they be attached to this thread. What follows is a description of his experiences investigating this novel compound.

Originally posted by: Ekyldog (on behalf of his turtle, Orion)Body weight: 220lbsAge & gender: 26 year old maleDosage: 3-5mg / 5-10mgRoute of administration: vaporized off of tinfoil / smoked on top of a bowl of cannabisSetting: sitting at home, playing video gamesDuration of effects: 45-60 minutes main effects, 1.5 hours afterglowMain effects: Very crisp and clear head high, crisp and defined but notably different from MJ and JWH-018 with a slight trippiness to itSide effects: Cotton mouth, red eyes, chapped lips, munchies, strange taste in mouthAfter effects: Lingering cotton mouth and red eyesRating of the experience: 8.5/10 Addictive qualities / abuse potential: No more than other cannabinoids (including cannabis)Other valuable information: Very strong taste. No anxiety or feelings of fear noted (in contrast to JWH-018)

MATERIAL

The JWH-250 acquired by Orion was pure white, and as noted by the previous poster, it seems fluffier/larger than JWH-018 with slightly more stickiness to itself. Whereas JWH-018 easily falls off of the measuring implement, JWH-250 must be 'tapped' off. As noted with other JWH compounds, when applying heat for smoking or vaporizing, JWH-250 melts as the heat approaches and balls up into small liquid orbs, which roll off the rest of the powder as they form and then disappear. If vaporized off of a tinfoil spoon, the JWH-250 will leave a slightly brown residue around the upper edges of the spoon, which seems to be re-condensed JWH-250 and provides more effects if heated and the smoke inhaled.

EFFECTS - Pure

About 2 minutes after inhaling, Orion felt a warm glowing feeling in his spine and back of his head, spreading quickly to his entire head. Colors are slightly enhanced, and it's almost like the contrast has been turned up a bit. There doesn't seem to be any couch-locking effect, as Orion felt like he had lots of energy for the duration of the high. He initially felt very little or absent body high, as the initial part of the experience seems to be solely a head high. About 15 minutes in, Orion felt a slight trippy feel to the experience, almost like the onset of a mushroom trip. After 30 minutes or so, a body high starts creeping in and sticks around for the next hour and a half or so. Orion was pleased to note no CNS depression at higher doses (ie: above 5mg) with this compound, unlike JWH-018 which seems to produce slight CNS depression at doses above 5mg. After about 1.5 hours, the effects seem to completely subside back to baseline.

TIMELINE

Orion kept a timeline of his experience, which reads as follows:

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T + 0:00 - Vaporized 3-5 mg off of tinfoil. Has a minty, Oral-B mouthwash kinda taste, almost like nitrous but stronger.

T + 0:35 - Played video games for the next 1.5 hours as effects tapered off.

EFFECTS - Combined with Cannabis

On several occasions, Orion loaded 5-10mg on top of a bowl of cannabis and slowly vaporized the JWH-250 and then smoked the rest of the cannabis. He felt that JWH-250 definitely added something to the cannabis high, although it didn't seem to potentiate the effects of cannabis as much as JWH-018 seems to for him. He noticed that the combination of JWH-250 and cannabis seemed to produce pronounced couch lock, unlike when smoking JWH-250 pure. While it's still a worthwhile experience to combine JWH-250 with the cannabis, Orion would agree with the above poster that JWH-250 is best consumed on it's own. It's like combining two highs for a marginally better experience, when those two highs are sufficient enough on their own to provide a nice experience.

Orion did not have any other cannabinoids in stock while he was testing JWH-250, so he cannot yet report on it's interactions with other synthetic cannabinoids. He plans on testing interactions with this compound in the future when he orders more, and will have me report his experiences to this thread once he has done so.

OPINION

JWH-250 is a very nice compound, Orion feels that it definitely does the trick and provides similar though notably different effects when compared to cannabis or JWH-018. The experience is somewhat of a 'soaring' high as described by the above poster, which despite it's short lived effects, provides nice 'bang for the buck'. He would consider JWH-250 to be the 'nitrous oxide' of cannabinoids; substantial short-lived effects with a quick onset. He posits that JWH-250 would mix well with some of the longer lasting synthetic cannabinoids such as CP 47,497 or CP 55,940.

TL;DR

Overall experience 8.5/10. This is a very nice cannabinoid and Orion recommends it to other swimmers that wish to investigate and experience it's effects.

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Great post, nice to see another report in this thread, thanks.

Well formatted and informative

Thanks for this well-written & detailed experience report on a lesser-known chemical!

JWH-250 Chimp Assay--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
body weight & gender: 150 lbs, M
dose taken: 6.5 mg followed by 4.7 mg
route of administration: Transdermal (DMSO)
Setting: home
duration of main effects: a bit over 84 min. (1 hr. 24 min.)
main effects: from t+8 min. to t+90 min.side effects: t+5 min. to t+35 min.
after effects: negligible
rating of the experience: excellent
addictive qualities / abuse potential: present, not overwhelming whatsoever
any other valuable information: there appears to be a behavioral crash associated with JWH-250--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t+0: 6.5 JWH-250 dissolved into .2mL DMSO; spread over meticulously cleaned forearm (soap followed by EtOH). Chimp was slightly agitated due to some unforseen complications with his technology toys, so he considers this to be a reasonably good measure of the effect of this cannabinoid on mood. Oolong tea (caffeine present) and small amount of cannabis consumed earlier in morning (approx. 7 hrs prior)

t+1.25 min: Itchiness at site of delivery is observed - quite mild.

t+4.02 min: Somatosensory effects of DMSO observed. Desire to ingest cannabis recreationally, minor it may be, begins to recede. Itchiness at site still present.

t+ 9 min: Feelings of emotional relief apparent. Certainly higher energy than the vast majority of cannabis this chimp has burned down. There's an easily discernable 'high' from the substance that isn't as present from cannabis - again, reminiscent of CNS stimulants

t+ 15.48 min: Truly an excellent cannabis substitute for daytime productivity. The chimp likes 250 far more than 018 - the experience itself seems to be far more comprehensive in terms of body/mind effects, and comparably euphoric

t+ 35 min: While the euphoric component of the experience appears to be increasing, no inebriation is observed. This is somewhat comparable to a classic strong sativa (diesels comes to mind) experience coupled with a nice, subtle background body buzz.

t+ 45 min: This is arguably one of the more euphoric experiences the chimp has observed to date; without the anxiety/jitteriness of most psychomotor stimulants, this compound presents an absolutely comparable level of motivation and stimulation. Very awesome. Will consider redosing to assess tolerance development - quite functional on its own. Plateau seems to be emerging.

t+ 52.36 min: Interesting note: vocal control is enhanced as with other psychomotor stimulants - the chimp can sing like a bird w/o any kind of silly warm up.

t+ 84 min: The first effects that appear to recede the most quickly are the energetiic. The relaxing sense of calm appears to linger a bit longer, however--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Overall: The chimp has identified this compound as a truly innovative gem - apparently the best way to manipulate cannabinoid systems to elicit motivation and optimism without the inebriation accompanying cannabis. It appears to be shorter acting than JWH-018, but much more effective in terms of altering states of consciousness in useful directions (rather than purely recreational). Appears to be slightly shorter acting, however. Quite surprisingly, the chimp may even consider this compound, in threshold doses, as a potential study/productivity aid in the future.

Ability to substitute for cannabis: depending on the effects desired, this compound can absolutely simulate the strongest of kafiristanica effects. However, it likely doesn't present the intoxication present in the heavier afganica-ish strains; 'couch-lock' isn't an effect that comes to mind.

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Truly a delight to read, thanks for sharing the details of this assay.

Gradient has your chimp ingested other cannabinoids using the same method? Swim has recently done the same, only using 60mg JWH-018, 20mg JWH-073, 20mg JWH-081 and 20mg JWH-250 for a total of 120 mg into 3 ml dmso (dissolved completely within seconds).

That left swim with a solution that provided about 2mg per drop (20 drops per ml from swims dropper). A few drops into the crook of his arm/wrist (usually about 12 mg/6 drops) also produces a much more calm/functional experience then smoking a similar amount would (smoking this amount would get swim very, very stoned).

There might be something about this route that really effects the character of the experience. For swim it's almost like a completely different cannabinoid(s) that produces mild rushes with a marked uplift in mood/increased pleasure in doing things.

There might be something about this route that really effects the character of the experience. For swim it's almost like a completely different cannabinoid(s) that produces mild rushes with a marked uplift in mood/increased pleasure in doing things.

Couldn't agree more; his experience with this an other cannabinoids - as well as other psychoactives - have convinced him of the hidden utility of this route. For some reason, and I've my own pet theories on why, it seems that the side-effects of most compounds are reduced somehow when ingested transdermally.

Like you've suggested, DMSO (the wonder solvent) dissolves JWH-x compounds quite nicely. In fact, even smaller volumes of DMSO than the chimp used are quite likely possible - just very difficult to handle! There may also be something to be said about surplus solvent to ensure absorption, but that's speculation. To be frank, the chimp's favorite experience with JWH-250 has involved 7.2 mg mixed with .15 mg alprazolam in DMSO - interestingly, it seemed to prolong the stimulative nature of JWH-250. Gave it a gorgeous aquamarine color, too. However, when the effects terminated, the chimp turned into a drowsy zombie - useless for most tasks. Sleep was like sex-good, though.

There may also be something to be said about surplus solvent to ensure absorption, but that's speculation.

Swim had the exact same suspicion regarding volume and imagined some trouble drying or fully penetrating.

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Originally Posted by Gradient

To be frank, the chimp's favorite experience with JWH-250 has involved 7.2 mg mixed with .15 mg alprazolam in DMSO - interestingly, it seemed to prolong the stimulative nature of JWH-250. Gave it a gorgeous aquamarine color, too. However, when the effects terminated, the chimp turned into a drowsy zombie - useless for most tasks. Sleep was like sex-good, though.

Swim's considered trying this using phenazepam in some combination with JWH-x but been too busy lately to get the energy up to make another batch.

DMSO is really quite handy (although it smells a bit like the exhaust from a paper mill).

Originally posted by: Newski (on behalf of his cat CJ)Body weight: 200lbsAge & gender: 31 year old maleDosage: 5-10mgRoute of administration: smoked on top of a bowl of damiana / blue lotusSetting: sitting at home, playing video gamesDuration of effects: 45-60 minutes main effects, 1.5 hours afterglow of contentment. Rapid onset (~1 minute)Main effects: Warm rush, restless / energetic, playfulSide effects: Strange chemically taste in mouth, slightly moreso than JWH-018, JWH-073After effects: Nothing noticeableRating of the experience: 9/10 Addictive qualities / abuse potential: No more than other cannabinoids (including cannabis)Other valuable information: Very strong taste. No anxiety or feelings of fear noted, had more of the recognizeable features of MJ that SWIM prefers (energy, euphoria, a controlled rush)

SWIM's cat CJ has 10 plus years experience with MJ and recently with JWH-018, JWH-073 and Win-55,212-2. CJ recently gave up MJ and has been looking for a replacement. JWH-018 can overwhelm, JWH-073 can put one to sleep - both alter the senses but not exactly like MJ. Discussions of JWH-250's euphoria peaked CJ's curiosity.

JWH-250 gave CJ the most energetic, playful, elated sense since MJ. CJ reported that there wasn't the giggles of MJ but definetly the "let's play with a ball of yarn for a half-hour" playfulness. He said that JWH-250 has a rush similar to JWH-018 but not as incapacitating (CJ warned that JWH-250 is closer to JWH-018 than JWH-073 in dosage and OD potential too). CJ said that this rush can be put to good use and he felt certainly more functional (and happier to be functional) than with JWH-018 and/or JWH-073.

CJ had earlier made a blend of one part JWH-018 to two parts JWH-073 with much success. CJ would lament how this blend, while very effective, felt dull and never made him feel like a kitten again like he had hoped. When JWH-250 was measured and sprinkled on top of the blend, CJ was purring like a kitten. CJ said that this was the closest he's gotten to MJ when using JWHs and that duration was the only noticeable difference.

SWIM's cat CJ felt that JWH-250 was his favorite of JWH-018, JWH-073 and JWH-250 (especially if he could only have one and not combine any). It was certainly the most mood altering in his opinion. CJ felt that when combined with other JWH compounds, it fills that dull spot that the trippier JWH-x do not address.

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Brilliant report, well broken up, well explained and easy to get data from.

well-written, well-detailed experience report; thanks for sharing the info on this chemical!

In summary: swim will update this report when he is free to take a larger dose, but from the dose he took he would say that although the duration is shorter than jwh-018 the effects are much more euphoric and pleasurable.
hope this helps - Johnboi

As some of you may of read previously SWIM ordered 2 grams of JWH-250 which arrived today and he decided to give it a test go in its pure form. Here is a fictional experience from SWIMs vault of fictional experiences.

6'2 Male 310 lbs

5mg

smoked

1:45

calming, relaxed, thinking

waking up sweaty, red eyes, drowsiness, cotton mouth(not as much as JWH-018)

Rate the experience: 9

Did not test abuse potential, but it is a JWH compound so im sure its there.

SWIMs JWH-250 experience was alot better than his first JWH-018 experience. And SWIM thinks he likes the fact that JWH-250 last around 2 hours .

6:45 SWIM opens his package and see's that his JWH-250 is in a makeup like container, one that powder blush would come in. Black with a circular clear plastic face that allows one to view into the container. A little better than the normal "baggie" jwh-XxX usually comes in. SWIM is pleased. The JWH-250 Is clumpy, finer than baby powder, but very sticky. And has a PINKhue to it. Swim proceeds to measure 5mg. SWIM then applies the 5mg into the end of his highly packed Newport short.

6:55 SWIM is ready to test the substance. He steps outside in a good mood. Very good vibes. The lighter sparks, the cigarette burns, the JWH-250 enters his lungs where he holds it. a good 5 seconds. exhale. Swim finish his ciggarette, effects may be noticeable but small.

7:15 SWIM is watching Seinfeld, and suddenly notices he finds George Costanza incredibly funny, from his Hair to his accent, he cant get enough of the guy. SWIM looks down at his foot from time to time. His Crocs feel so comfortable as he wiggles his toes. He feels intensely calm.

7:30 Seinfeld is over, SWIM who usually cant stand commercials is finding them not so bad. More interesting than usual. SWIM decides to go lay down and relax even more. The relaxing effect he is getting is better than JWH-018. He is NOT heavily STONED. rather just greatly at ease with everything around him.

7:45 SWIM texts his cousin from in bed, telling her that she has to try this soon. SWIM nods off into a deep sleep.

8:30ish SWIM wakes up very sweaty, not worried or anything just very sweaty. His pillow is wet. Quite nasty but other than gross its not bothering him. Falls back into a dreamless sleep.

9:15 SWIMS cousin calls, the ringing of his cellphone woke him up. SWIM never wakes up for his cellphone, or usually anything for that matter. The conversation seems to drag on forever. SWIM feels he is slurring words/finding words hard to find. SWIM is a little groggy. But STILL peaceful! He hangs up with his cousin and falls back to sleep.

10:10 SWIM awakes checks his phone for the time, he feels very tingly, very satisfied with his new Research powder. SWIM steps outside to smoke a cigarette The JWH-250 has faded and he is clear and calm.

All in all SWIM is pleased with the JWH-250! And SWIM told me that he will be doing Further research on this chemical.

body weight & gender: 165lbs maledose taken: 4.4mg x 5 times over 4 hours= route of administration: oral tincture sublingualSetting: at home playing video gamesduration of main effects: 5 hrsmain effects: feeling of well being, euphoria, relaxation, stonynessside effects: mild pupil dialation, mild redness of the eyes, dry mouth, stiff muscles in the arms legs and lower back, short term memory lossafter effects: mild groggyness the next morning after 6 hours of sleep
rating of the experience: 8.5 - i wouldn't mind a stronger effectaddictive qualities / abuse potential: my arch nemesis finds a strong urge to redose 1-2 hrs after dosing. he remarked how very easy it is get in a pattern of doing this every day considering the low price/dose

any other valuable information:

My arch-nemesis aquired 500 mg jwh-250 from online source. An oral solution is required in his house as his significant other frowns upon smoking / illicit behavior. After researching methods of dissolving jwh in grain alcohol, he proceded to mix 500 mg with 114 mL of Pharma Kava (kava extract in 4oz of 85-95% grain alcohol, google it).

The 500mg jwh-250 completely dissolved in 4oz pharma kava with agitation/shaking. The pharma kava extract is administered with a dropper included with the pharma-kava. 40 drops = 1 mL. 1 Ml contains 63 mg of kavacetones and 4.4 mg of jwh-250. The end result is roughly 112 4.5mg jwh-250 doses in one bottle of pharma kava.

The solution is placed in mouth and held under the tounge for 15 minutes to allow sublingual absorption. The alcohol content is high so it is pretty harsh for the tissue in that area. Not sure if this could have any determintal health aspects but the primary reason for doing is to bypass the absorption through the stomach lining, increasing the onset of effects. The tincture could be added to a glass of water for those with sensitive mouths and drank.

The JWH-250 added with the kava is nice in that the kava numbs the mouth and provides an added mild relaxant/benzo effect to the experience.

My arch nemesis likes to start with a dose around 6pm and will redose each hour the last dose being 10 pm. he does not use it during the day.

After 15 minutes the effects are begun to be felt. He gets excited with anticipation which provides an adrenaline like buzz as the effects start to ease in. A surge like a very suttle head rush is felt, mild euphoria, colors enhanced. Perception is increased. No difficulty with motor skills noted. My arch nemesis used to be quite a big pot head (kb all day long) so he finds the effects not too intense and he redoses each hour. The efects are sustained by hourly redosing, perhaps slightly enhanced. My arch nemesis reports that there appears to be a tolerance build up as the effects are less noticable after a week of daily dosing. He would like to experiment with ~ 10 mg doses in the future as the kava isn't cheap and it would last longer this way.

My arch nemesis plans next time on adding 1000 mg to 4oz of pharma kava for a ~9mg/mL dosage. As a side note, the pharma kava is around $40 and one bottle contains about 112 1mL doses. At the rate my arch-nemesis is going thorugh this he will be finished in 25 days. Total cost is around $70 for 25 days supply using 20mg per day. Not too bad but for daily dosing it can add up. Might be a wise idea to stock up on supplies in case legal status changes. He has expressed some concern due to the fact that this is a research chemical and hasn't been thoroughly tested or approved for use. Overall highly enjoyable and highly recommended!

Swim was very excited about this compound and tried it several different ways: infuzed into ciggeretttes, Mixed with jwh-018, Vaporized, infuzed into skullcap and wormood, dizzolved into acetone and dropped on a cookie, dissolved into acetone and put directly into mouth.

Swim says his favorite ways to ingest this substance were through infusing it into his herb mixture, and vaporizing.

Swim wrote his experiences down on a piece of paper and mailed it to me:

General experience;
regarless of the administration the effects were close to the same ( with the exeption of the -018 mixture)

Effects: a very liquid high that made feel like a puddle in the couch. I felt a medium to medium-strong sedation especially in my shoulders and head. Extremely trippy feel including feeling like everything is rocking back and forth and seeing patterns in the walls.It was not nearly as choppy as jwh-018. Little to no euhporic feelings felt in comparison to MJ. A concentraded head high and shoulder high were always present.

mixed with 018. In a mixture of jwh-018 and -250 infused into skullcap and wormood the effects were very overwhelming.

effects: Extremely trippy feeling, the walls were moving, the room was spinning, and everything seemed to be moving towards and awayfrom me in a choppy motion.I felt a strong high all over and a strange wiggily wave was moving through my body. Cyclic though patterns noted.

summary:
Pros: Less after effects than jwh-018 or cannabis, and practically no "Dumb-Over"

Cons: Jwh-250 is an OK high that is nothing like cannabis, to be honest, Jwh-250 is my least favorite so far and I would much rather smoke jwh-018 by itself than mix it with 250. Its high has a very short duration and withdrawal effects were noted after four consecutive uses.

Swim Loves real MJ and says if you're a Ganja lover than stay away from jwh-250 or you'll be dissapointed.

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Nice report, with detailed description of sensations and thoughts, and comparison to other stubstanced.

SWIM's giraffe is a MJ vaporizing enthusiast and has been investigating JWH-018 almost daily for the last four months. He recently received his sample of JWH-250 and has been experimenting with vaporizing various dosages for the last week. Before the sample arrived, he strictly curbed MJ and JWH-018 usage in order to lower overall tolerance for cannabinoids. He especially appreciates that JWH-250 has a high affinity for CB1, which is a nice contrast to the JWH-018.
The sample is a pure white, fluffy-sticky powder with an oddly familiar odor. SWIM's giraffe concur's with Ekyldog's turtle:

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Originally Posted by Ekyldog

The vapor/smoke of JWH-250 has a strong taste, that Orion describes as a slightly minty, Oral-B mouthwash taste. He feels the taste is also reminiscent of a strong nitrous oxide flavor. The smoke/vapor seems to leave a strange taste coating the inside of Orion's mouth, however it is easy to wash away using a strong flavored drink.

As noted with other JWH compounds, when applying heat for smoking or vaporizing, JWH-250 melts as the heat approaches and balls up into small liquid orbs, which roll off the rest of the powder as they form and then disappear. If vaporized off of a tinfoil spoon, JWH-250 leaves a slightly brown residue around the upper edges of the spoon, which seems to be re-condensed JWH-250 and provides more effects if heated and the smoke inhaled.

He would like to add that the smell reminds him of DMT's unique mothball/plastic-esque odor and that he wonders why that might be. Is it a part of the molecular structure that is common between the two?
The substance itself liquifies and vaporizes faster than JWH-018 and is easier to take a very large hit using a simple tin-foil + straw method.

SWIM's giraffe also concurs with the majority of reports currently posted regarding their general effects for the given dosages and methods. He asked that I add this experience report-
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Body weight & gender: 125lbs male
Dose taken: 15-20mg
Route of administration: vaporized all at once from a single piece of aluminum foilSet and Setting: 30 min after waking up from 8hrs of dreamy sleep, refreshed and relaxed, living room couch.
Duration of main effects: 60-90 minutes

Main effects: feelings of well being, euphoria, some sedation, slight visual enhancement, mild trippyness.Side effects: brief couch-lock induced anxiety, red eyes, increased separation of body-mind.
After effects: Little to none, most CNS effects dissipate rapidly, no 'dumb-over'.
Rating of the experience: ++/+++
Addictive qualities/abuse potential: Compared to JWH-018, it has similar addictive qualities, with less rush but shorter duration. Some qualities seems aversive at high dosage.

t+ 0 minutes - The 15-20mg dose vaporizes rapidly from foil and is sufficiently 'domed'. It vapes much faster than jwh-018 and doesn't run like crazy across the surface of the foil -- it only leaves a tiny ring of burnt sample. The taste is not good or bad, just sort of chemically sweet. Familiar like DMT but not caustic.

t+ 5 - The effects begin to rise in a very steady way, not with waves of energy or any general body feeling. Mental clarity persists but most of the sensory details are significantly enhanced. The sunlight seems to be pouring in through the windows and music tinkling from my computer widens significantly. At this point effects are comparable to cannabis.

t+ 10 - There is a great sense of that the effects are still increasing rapidly. The mental effects are still clear and enjoyable, at this point probably ++. Couch-lock became apparent and for the first time in years some anxiety began to surface. This is the first time trying such a high dosage and such rapid dissociation was not expected. After a while anxiety induced cyclic patterns of thought and a dazed feeling that replace the clarity of before, increasing intensity and decreasing enjoyment.

t+ 40-90 - After some time of acclimating to the mind-without-body feeling, the relentless couch-lock breaks and body senses return as quickly as they disappeared. Euphoric and even relieved, the remainder of the high was fantastic. Overall, the trippy qualities were smoother and more accessible than those of JWH-018, which are often erratic and disorienting. They persisted for about 60 minutes in total, and at some points I would rate them as approaching +++.

Impressions and Comments --
JWH-250 has a comparable bang-for-your-buck to JWH-018, but it is clearly a different type of bang. SWIM's giraffe compares this blast-off experience to his first experiences with multiple successive vapor bags (10+) from a Volcano Vaporizor. In general, he doesn't feel that it compares to good ol' cannabis and anyone who is looking to replace it might rather look to JWH-018, JWH-073, or herbal blends.
Regarding his comment about aversive qualities, it seems that the extreme cerebral qualities are not as suitable for everyday activities and productivity as others cannabinoids. This does create some aversion to the behavior that sustains an addiction like that which is easy to occur with -018 (including vaping in secluded public areas, bathrooms, at work, etc.).

SWIM's giraffe also concurs with comments in Gradient's chimp assay that

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Originally Posted by Gradient

[JWH-018 is] much more effective in terms of altering states of consciousness in useful directions (rather than purely recreational). Appears to be slightly shorter acting, however.

and would like to add that he is very intrigued by the severe level of altered consciousness and brevity of the experience. It appears very reminiscent of the introspective qualities induced by tryptamines and dissociatives like ketamine. SWIM's giraffe likens it to DMT's distinction as "the businessman's trip", but prefers to think of it as "the businessman's hit."

Body weight- 145 lbsAge & gender- 18/mDosage- Unkown since my cat sir fatso eyeballs his doses (yea we all know he shouldn't do that, but please no criticism. My cat has heard it all before.) However, I have noticed that when my cat doses jwh-250 he vaporizes about four to five times as much as if he were smoking jwh-018.Route of administration- vaporizedMain Effects-euphoria, giggles, very trippy, short-term memory almost gone (my cat could hardly remember what he was typing during parts of his review).Setting- in my room, listening to music, browsing the internetDuration-main effects lasted around 30 minutes, while a tapering high lingered for the next two hoursRating of Experience-7/10

The Experience

11:09 pm

So sir fatso has just gotten done smoking the most JWH-250 he's smoked ever before. He was fed up with the way his past experiences ended so abruptly compared to the JWH-018 high. So he upped the dose and is now the highest he's ever been. My head feels like it's vibrating to the music as my sunken shoulders make my head feel like it's floating right above me. It's crazy.

11:16

Ok nothing much has changed. Fatso is still just super high, it just took his furry paws that freakin' long to get that first paragraph done. DAmn.

11:20

So, the sir has definite feelings of euphoria. Child-like humour. The stupidest little things are making my cat giggle like a little schoolgirl. The high is different from the jwh-018 in that there is far less "body" high mrmeow says. It is a very clean head high that is near psychedelic at high dosages.

11:26

Feels like forever has gone by says the cat. My cat is super tired and feels like going to bed.

11:53

My cat says the feelings have greatly dissipated. He says over the next hour and a half the high has pretty much run it's course.

Conclusion:

Fatso says he will be doing more experimenting with JWH-250 in the future. He says he did notice the intense euphoria stands out compared to JWH-018's effects. For now, the cat says that JWH-018 is still his favorite drug of choice.

My pet aardvark has been reading these forums for a while and he somehow got some jwh-250 as a sample. He told me that he has tried a couple times to smoke it, but he is uneasy about the taste. But from what he has read, it is expected to have a very strong, chemical taste with a mint-like after effect.

His powder is exactly as everyone describes, white, fluffy, sticky but not wet, so he assumes the quality is at least on par with the rest. My wompus has tried numerous times to try, and even keeping in mind the taste is supposed to be bad; but he cannot seem to get by how easily the residue is left behind. The flame can stay a large distance away from the foil (compared to JWH-018 anyway) and still very easily vaporize the substance, and the whole trail of the substance from beginning to end is residue. He knows the JWH-018 leaves some behind, but it's always right as he finishes the last bit.

He has tried dosing numerous times but can't get more than 1 good hit before the flavor makes him want to vomit. My wompus really wants to experience the high so he can compare it to JWH-018, but he would like a little more reassurance from others that this substance does in fact behave that way.

Dosage- Unkown since my cat sir fatso eyeballs his doses (yea we all know he shouldn't do that, but please no criticism. My cat has heard it all before.)

This statement mars an otherwise fine experience report.

Your cat is taking an unnecessary risk. Criticism is warranted and should be expected. If your cat has heard it all before and still does it, your cat needs to hear it again. Eyeballed doses have caused many miserable experiences with cannabinoids and other research chemicals. There's no need to do this. Milligram scales are readily available and probably less expensive than a gram of the drug your cat is using.

SWIM has a few JWH-250 experiences under his belt so I thought I'd contribute them.

body weight & gender ~175lbs, Male
dose taken 3-10mg vaped, 3-5mg intranasal, 5-10mg oral
Setting: in what environment it was taken. At home
duration of main effects : vaporized, about an hour. oral is closer to five.
main effects : enhancement of genital feelings (but no increase in arousal), clear-headed, slightly goofy but under control, very pleasant body feelings described as tingles or shivers of goodness (unrelated to sex btw)side effects : easily distracted, a desire to clean up the house for some reason, mild desire to redose when vaped effects wear off
after effects : not sure yet, none noticed so far
rating of the experience SWIM's '10' was a san pedro experience. He puts this at 6.5 only because he feels it could be a little pushier of an experience
addictive qualities / abuse potential : some, about the same as other cannabinoids SWIM has experienced
any other valuable information

SWIM really likes it orally. It lasts longer and wears off smoothly. There is no real increase in sexual appetite for SWIM however once one goes down that path normally, one finds a very nice sensation.

200 mg of JWH-250 disolved in 200 ml of acetone and then added 2g of tobacco provided swim with a concentration of 1mg/10mg. This afforded a nice two hit high that was out of this world. Swim has now tried JWH-018, win-fx and win-fx3 and the JWH-250 was by far swims favorite. It produced a great body high and a trippy stone that caused very little anxiety at a very intense dosage. Swim felt like he could have pushed the envelope a bit more and taken 3 or even 4 big hits and been comfortable but that is for another dream. Swim noticed that like the win compounds the intensity of the effects lasted for 45 min and the initial onset of effects took a little longer than the other compounds swim has tried. He is very happy with JWH-250 and it was suggested by vendor to combine the relatively less active JWH-081 with JWH-250 in a 1:1 ratio. This will be further explored on the next few days. Allegedly this extends the high when combined. Swim personally likes the duration as is. Redosing did occur and the desire was due to he euphoria JWH-250 provided. Swim is overall very happy he gambled on JWH-250 with his last acquisition. Swim wishes he could turn his stockpile of JWH-018 into JWH-250 as he naturally has a great deal of anxiety and finds JWH-018 exasperates those symptoms.

Overal, four stars out five for JWH-250

His JWH-250 was very salty in consistency unlike the fluffy JWH-018. 10g looks less than it is and it has an off yellow tinge unlike the white JWH-018 and win compounds.

swim tells me he prefers this out of the jwh chemicals overall. the experience is powerful and fast. you can get very high on this compound and still get to doing shit that needs doing in a reasonable timeframe. out of those swim has tried this tastes the most pleasant when burning. swims friend insufflated ~10mg. effects were felt within minutes. bit longer than smoking that way. swim says out of all the jwh compounds this is the one that has made him feel too high. swim is a heavy cannabis smoker. YMMV. take care dosing this stuff. swim has seen serious cannabis users unable to walk straight or articulate verbally after ingesting this stuff. if you are not a regular hardcore smoker you will want to keep it low, or risk the panic attack.

So, my pet jackalope had his first experience with this substance last night. While he didn't take notes at all, he will try to recall what happened last night and how he felt.

Quote:

I am a 5'11" male jackalope who weighs approx 160 lbs. So me and a friend sat down with the tinfoil and jwh-250, using a toilet paper roll to inhale the smoke with. We eyeballed it, but using the smallest possible increments and spreading that out between us. One of the biggest things I noticed was the lack of harsh smoke, and lack of high heat associated with smoking mj. In fact, this had a cool minty taste to it, which was awesome. It took us a few hits in this way to feel it, but when it onsets it comes fast. Like going from sober to an odd feeling high really quick. Depth perception and though process changed somewhat drastically and quickly and I found myself staring at a wall and laughing about it.

The high is very energetic and very happy with a medium euphoria, lasting an hour or so and then tapering down for another hour. It was somewhat like high grade weed with a trippy/speedy twist to it. I did get cottonmouth and the munchies quite bad though. Smoking too much led one person to a loss of ego and speech became very delayed. He also got sick and puked shortly after smoking it and his girlfriend drove him home. I didn't know he was sick until he left.

After effects for me where just a gradual comedown, with no harshness and with a slight desire to redose, but easily controllable to me.

Addictive potential is probably about the same as weed, or maybe higher. This substance is stronger and cheaper than weed as well as builds tolerance more quickly.
Overall rating of 8.5/10 from me. Definitely one of my favorite experiences and will try again soon.

That's what my jackalope said anyway, what are you guys' thoughts?

coffeelover added 5 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

Sorry for the double post, but I can't edit my own posts yet. My jackalope also wanted you guys to know that at his peak, he probably couldn't have done a very good job acting sober on this and even as the effects wore off he wasn't completely confident in his "proper" social skills. In other words, he doesn't recommend going into any public places, as they would probably find out quickly that you were on something.

Last edited by coffeelover; 18-09-2010 at 15:56.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost

The mixer mixed the milligrams with the Everclear, for a solution of 2 mg/ml. Starting at 2 ml, to no effect, he laddered up in 2 ml increments, until, he said, at 10 ml (10 mg), he finally felt the glow. The glow can be characterized as a positive inner light that enhances mood. Whereas using 018 can sometimes be like swimming underwater, using 250 is like the same swim with a mask and breathing gear. It provides both buoyancy and clarity of vision.

A friend who likes rock 'n' roll tried JWH-250 for the second time. Out of curiosity, he took his blood pressure and measured a 25-point increase over normal. Not alarming but something to be monitored.

main effects = Enlightenment and Astral Traveling - Total out of body experience, My Parrot saw himself as a God, as a Zygoat being in his mothers woom, and as Satan with my body like a nautilus closing in on itself. My Parrot also got very high like the regular weed and loved listening to music, while also getting very sexually aroused at the same time during the second night.

side effects = major body cramps that last the entire duration of my parrot smoking

after effects = wanted more! Not too bad really but my parrot kept going for his pipe for 2 days after he was out.

any other valuable information = I haven't seen it on the posts above but their were definatly some severe cramps, the entire 4 days I had it to smoke. My Parrot was DEFINATLY ASTRAL TRAVELING, and loving it! The powder turns right into a brownish liquid upon lighting it up and it hardens on surfaces if spilled so make sure to smoke it all.

All-in-all this is some great stuff. Not exactly like pot but mabye because of my parrots experiences this turned out to be a trip of a lifetime and hopefully by sometime tomorrow my parrot will have some more.