While the "War on Christmas" is a big Fox meme much beloved by O'Reilly & others, at some level the secular left really needs to ask itself "Is this the best use of our time & political capital?"

And those of you reading this from the secular left know the answer: for a sizable fraction of your membership, the answer is "Yes". Because a war to the death against Christianity has been in the DNA of the Left since the French Revolution.

If the Left would like Fox News to stop flogging this meme, maybe it should work on stopping the anti-Christian tail from wagging the Lefty Dog.

A big part of me wishes that Fox would never allow itself to be in the position of being such an object of ridicule. Get rid of the "War on Christmas" silliness and all of the other light fluff.

But of course, there is a reason why the Fox News Channel is a cable ratings powerhouse, and the New York Times is scrambling to figure out how it might still be in existence in ten years.

Personally, I wish that Fox was less like Fox and more like the Wall Street Journal editorial page; like the National Review, and the Weekly Standard. I'd like to be able to tune into a conservative (or even a balanced) PBS/NPR. But since my experience in cable news programming = 0, and since a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g is better than the propaganda emanating from the rest of television news, I won't complain too much.

Not all of the scare stories were in fact about the attack on christianity. Others happened to be scary stories that were commented upon during christmas seasons.For example, the one about getting MRSA on a plane. Why is that somehow a story that shouldnt' be done, and why is it linked in with stories about assaults on Christmas?Sometimes scary shit happens during the christmas season and so, stories are done about those scary things.

You see, they took awhile to aggregate the similar sayings and put them all together into one thing that makes a point being driven over a series of programs by similar thinking individuals in agreement and over time appear as obsession and to an extent that is right, it is a correct observation of obsession.

An obsession that occur once a year because they acknowledge atheist never stop and are making great headway so they're not stopping either.

We notice you're not mentioning sensing a need for the atheists to feel any embarrassment for making this a perennial issue.

But mostly, TPM is pointing out Fox's obsession with their made up War on Christmas without having the self-consciousness to feel even a ping of ridicule to their own obsession which is much greater, FOX.

It's really quite incredible. I've not seen anything like it. I'll be reading along in comments and there's a remark referencing FOX where it has absolutely no reasonable place at all. Like an obsession. And this is everywhere. Actually, no thread is really complete without at least one.

And the double-y incredible thing is the presumption that FOX viewers derive their opinions from viewing FOX rather than finding their opinions reflected there. Comments imply FOX provides the views and if FOX were gone then the views would be gone too. And that tells us they're projecting again, that they actually do get their views from MSNBC type anchors and have them do their thinking for them and it explains why the vocabulary is so impressively uniform that we get phrases such as millionairesandbillionaires and justpaytheirfairshare, dogwhistleforracism and yourehomophobic appear overnight.

One would think regulars who keep calling regulars regulars would be embarrassed by 16,200,000,000,000 national debt and one would be right, I am.

I've never been part of any nativity scene, but nor do I care if others have them setup. Who cares?Radical atheists do. If they hadn't made challenges to counties and communities setting up nativity scenes, then Fox News wouldnt have to do stories about it.See how it's actually the atheists that are directing the News? I suppose you, as an atheist think that your position is totally non extreme and mainstream even, but many in the country woudl find your telling them that such displays can't be done to be the exreme position.And thus, I don't actually have a problem with Fox News, or any news division pointing out the fact that atheists keep trying to deprive people of the ability to put up nativity scenes in their communities.It also speaks to the fact that many people have a difference of opinion of atheists as to what separation of church and state (which is not actually in the constitution by the way) means, when it comes to nativity scenes. Atheists seem to think that means no religion can be displayed anywhere in the public square. Yet, that's not historically what that means, and atheists in many peoples opinions are taking an extreme position on this. Again, what is the problem if Fox News, or any other News division has a news cast about the extremist atheists yet again, displaying their intolerance.

Again, this is not from a position of someone who goes to the town to look at the nativity scene every year. I don't care if people put them up or dont put them up. In either case, it's no skin off my nose. I would similarly have no problem if a town also put up a menorah, or didn't put up a menorah. No skin off my nose in either case.Why is it such an issue for these extremist atheists? It's fucking christmas. Let people put up a fricking nativity scened without getting your panties in a bunch or acting like extremist jackoffs.

Nativity scenes have been allowed prior to latest rulings siding with atheists to not allow nativity scenes. Which gets to the interpretation of the 1st amendment and who the judge is making that interpretation.

Wonderful. Everyone from fundamentalists to average church goers to agnostics to just folks who like Christmas traditions get jolted a bit by such stories. That's why they are on. Nobody likes being treated like a dolt by some atheist just so he can score points on some stupid website with equally antisocial types.

What comes to mind whenever some atheist chortles over our stupidity is, "Yeah, man, I guess you've really shown us what life's all about, you asshole. Merry friggin' Christmas."

It says 'respecting' relgion. I.E. no state church. Government must be neutral. They don't ban religious scenes nor push them. If you want to put a cross on the court house lawn, then ok. If you don't, then don't.