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Ekaterina Joukova: Why do modeling agencies not book me?

I should be a fashion model; by many I have been told,
I’ve been trying for an year, and am just 18-years-old.
I know I am a little bit short, at a mere five foot eight,
and my 34-25-36 at 120 lbs may be a tad overweight.

Oh, I would really love to model all varieties of fashion!
And my motive is intrinsic; a deeply cherished passion.
Photographers, makeup artists, models encourage me.
But no luck so far getting booked; why should this be?

Ekaterina, by fashion world norms, you don’t look great.
Surely, it’s bad to resign yourself to your apparent fate.
But, ask yourself, why does age 18 border the too late
when the models will be selling to adults, not to jail bait?
To bolster your chances, you have lost 10 lbs of weight.
But why do fashion designers extreme thinness mandate,
when most women customers are not close to flyweight?
What people do the industry’s absurd standards dictate?
The designers who’d of the pleasures of sodomy partake
with boys, whose looks the models have to approximate.
Surely, these looks are not those to which your’s relate;
neither with dieting, etc. could your efforts thus translate.
Be glad; let these facts your emotional well-being inflate.

Comments

I don't think this girl is particularly attractive. Especially the last picture reveals that. If you aren't attractive in the traditional sense there has to be something else about you that stands out and makes you unique and interesting in some other way. This girl hasn't got that something special - neither is she very attractive in the traditional sense. I doubt photographers who work in the fashion industry encourage her to become a model.

I do think it's terrible that an 18-year-old is considered "old" and that you have to be anorexic-looking in order to get work. There are probably many girls who are far prettier than this one who also get the cold shoulder by the fashion industry for not being thin enough. Maybe we need laws that regulate the fashion industry since it seems to be totally unwilling to take responsibility for the health of its models and for the dangerous, unhealthy ideal it promotes.

To Emily:
well I think this girl is attractive and she has very feminine features. I find it funny Emily, that you believe she is not that attractive since she has very "Nordic" features. It's because you cannot see past superficiality Emily, that you fail to pay attention to form, structure, etc. instead of just bright dyed blonde hair, blue eyes with a fake tan, fake boobs, and a party dress or top, like in your pictures. This girl has very delicate facial features, and she is an attractive "Nordic" looking woman. I have read your other posts Emily and you are wrong about Asians, Indians, etc. Nordic women are on average EXTREMELY attractive, however it is ignorant to believe that only THEY are attractive or that they are on average more attractive than Asians or other races. I truly believe that the races are balanced out in various ways in terms of attractiveness. Besides, lets say there is truth to your statement that Nordic women are most attractive, if an Asian women came by that was more attractive than the average Nordic woman, I would go for that Asian girl instead of any Nordic chick, so it doesn't matter about the race as a whole, it depends on the individual. I can care less what race or nationality you are, if you are more attractive than another girl, I will go for you. However, I see why you feel the need to defend yourself. In other posts others have put down the "Nordic" woman, but you must understand they too were just defending their race. This whole subject is very delicate because who wouldn't want their race to be prettiest, smartest, etc? Because this is a reflection of that person, or is it? It doesn't matter if your race is prettier on average or smarter etc. because that does not make you prettier than anyone else or smarter. It depends on you as an individual.

Erik:
I agree this woman is attractive. However, I disagree on her measurements and her weight. She is not that curvy and not a typical hourglass shape. She is close, but not there. I don't think a woman needs to have a "perfect" hourglass shape and disagree that on ALL occasions having this shape will automatically maker her more attractive than any other woman. I do think that a beautiful woman should have curves and yes this woman does have some curves. But she is not a 34-25-36, it is obvious.

I read the thread where she posted her photos and where she asked for opinions, and most photographers and models discouraged her and some even called her an attention seeker. Most didn't take her seriously. Neither did I when I first saw her pictures.

This comment on Katerina comes from a photographer;

"This is another case of ," can I be signed/a model/ supermodel/Victoria secret model/Abercrombie &fitch model, and I do NOT CARE if you say NO i cant be cause I don't care and will do it anyway." kind of Thread. I just had one with a midget Asian Girl asking if she could be JUST a BEAUTY model.Which is not Possible.
But they dont care what the actual real honest to goodness experienced AGENCY LEVEL PROFESSIONALS have to say , They are going to do it because MISS_________ (fill in the blanks IE , Kate Moss, or some MM member ) did it and they weren't Agency Height /standards ,etc , their egos are so super inflated that they have lost any kind of reasoning and logic that they MAY have had.
They forget that they are not good looking enough nor uniquely beautiful enough for an agency to sign them or for them to even become more then a WEB WANNA BE. I call TROLL / I WANT ATTENTION on all of these type of threads.
If they were serious they wouldn't be wasting their time asking a lot more 'non agency pros' , if they have what it takes to 'make it'. 'Make it' how?
'make it' , where? 'make it' , what?
Stop the threads and GO TO A REAL LEGIT LEGAL MODELING AGENCY AND FIND OUT IF YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES. GO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MORE HARSH THEY ARE THEN ANYTHING OR ANYONE ON MM CAN BE TO YOU, You WILL HEAR THE HONEST TRUTH FROM THEM .

Attention troll ."

Instead of attacking me personally, stick to the topic. Personal attacks look like insecurity and show a lack of real arguments. This site is by its very nature superficial. You are ignorant if you haven't figured that out yet. So why are you here? If commenting on pictures here makes a person superficial in your eyes I would suggest that YOU are extremely superficial and immature when you judge people you don't know based on a site they sometimes visit. You are also an hypocrite in that you are doing the exact same thing here. You know absolutely nothing about me and I am not the topic of discussion. Period.

Also, your false definition of my opinion of beauty and femininity is laughable and pathetic. Your comment was hostile and blatantly dishonest. You have an agenda, clearly. You think that by discrediting me personally you will also shoot a hole in my arguments. The problem for you is that it doesn't work that way. You only look like you are desperate and a person who has no real arguments. I don't attack you viciously only because your taste is different from mine. Refrain from doing that to me, and get some manners.

Most people wouldn't find this girl very attractive. Not even in ordinary settings, and she wants to become a runway model. Actually, she does not look Nordic, by the way. She looks slavic. There are VERY good-looking slavic girls who work as models, but she's not one of them.

Finally, I realize this is a sensitive subject and that everyone wants their race to be the most beautiful. There is always loyalty-issues that come to play. I know that my opinion cannot be shared by everyone - although I do believe that they generally are shared by a majority of people. I have never "defended" the Nordic type. I have corrected misconceptions and blatantly false statements. Since I live in Scandinavia I know when someone is not being truthful on that subject. I would have done the same if someone had said that blacks usually have fair complexion and blue eyes.

I have no interest in sparing anyone's feelings. Neither do I have an interest in hurting anyone, or attacking them personally when they don't agree with me. If the topic is too difficult you don't have to visit the site. No one is forcing anyone. I present my opinion like everyone else, and in a far more polite manner than many others here, I might add.

Also, You are the one not paying attention to form and structure since you thought she was Nordic-looking. I actually laughed when I read that. She looks extremely slavic. Pay more attention to form and structure of the face and less attention to measurements and "boobs", as you call them. ;)

yes she does look slavic as well but with very nordic features. She has nordic eyes, a nordic nose, actually the only thing that makes her look slavic are her face shape and cheekbones. Her face is a little on the round side, her cheekbones more lateral(which is a very feminine trait actually and posessed by many slavic girls. Otherwise her eyes are a pale blue and set close, her nose is thin and long and these are all nordic traits. You can tell she is from Russia or the Ukraine or something like that because you can tell by her features her DNA derives from the North and is probably the result of mixture with "Nordics". So yes Emily I am right to claim she has Nordic features and she is very Nordic looking, because she is. My observations are not laughable Emily, your ignorance and your lack of self-esteem are. Open your eyes! Realize the beauty and variety around you! If life was not filled with variety it would be sooo bland and boring! Enjoy the variety, don't degrade it!

Her features are not "very Nordic" at all. Practically everything about her face screams slavic. This girl is EXTREMELY slavic - not Nordic-looking, as you defined her.

I doubt you are even white since you failed to see that she is in fact VERY slavic-looking. No one who knows anything about this would define her as Nordic. Someone who is not white would have a harder time seeing the difference, just as it is harder for whites to see the differences within Asian- or black subtypes.

"She's an attractive Nordic-looking woman."

Your words. The fact is that she is neither particularly attractive, nor is she Nordic-looking AT ALL. By the way, I don't think Erik chose her because he thought she is attractive but because it is wrong of the fashion-industry to say that she is too old and not thin enough to become a model. I agree with him on that. It IS wrong. However, she is not model "material", and thin or not thin doesn't change that fact in this case.

"So yes Emily I am right to claim she has Nordic features and she is very Nordic looking,"

No. Your statement was incorrect. She is VERY slavic-looking, and does not look Nordic at all. I am Swedish and I know what I'm talking about. You obviously don't.

Your blatant attempt at misinforming people here - or at the very least your embarrassing ignorance - are the things that are laughable. You don't even realize what a blunder you just made, and that anyone who truly knows what they are talking about sees it. Nordics would recognize this woman as a slavic Eastern European right away. One would have thought that at least her name would have given you a clue since her pictures obviously didn't. LOL

"self-esteem are. Open your eyes! Realize the beauty and variety around you!"

No. I am not the one that posts thousands of pictures on a website. Not to mention that you visit it like every 3 hours. Then you constantly ramble about how white women are superior, blah blah blah. REALLY? REALLY? Im the one with the self-esteem issues?

"You're not white"

Uh... last time I checked I was white. Do blue eyes, white skin, and dark blonde/light brown hair count? And no i'm not SALAVALIC. I'm Irish,Scottish, and German sweetheart. I freckle and burn in the sun, but afterwards I tan. Oh, I'm sorry is that not WHITE enough for you?

I think these pictures will illustrate my point. You cannot take eyes and nose in this case - isolate them from the overall facial structure - and say that "these are Nordic nose and eyes so she must look Nordic." You have to view her whole face in its entirety in order to assess where she is ethnically from (unless you read her name, that is. LOL) Ekaterina Joukova's face has a very Slavic form and no one would mistake her for a Nordic girl if they are familiar with them.

This Russian woman actually look much more Nordic than...

..this Russian woman with fairly close-set eyes,

or this one. They look Slavic despite the position of their eyes.

Most Nordic women have normally-set eyes and a nose that is straighter, finer and less hooked than those of many Eastern European women. Their facial features are more refined and less coarse than what you generally see in Slavic women. There are Nordics who have fairly close-set eyes and then there are the Danish women who often have wide-set eyes, so there are different types among Nordics.

Despite being surrounded by Nordic women this Nowegian man married an African woman.

There are many beautiful Nordics, but there are beautiful people in every race, and everyone has their tastes. I think the Russian women posted are more attractive than the Swedish ones. Nordic beauty tends more toward the bland, media-perfect look where the Russian women look more interesting and unique.

No, I'm not a lesbian. I love men. :) This site is about feminine beauty, you know, so the topic of discussion is women's looks. One can appreciate beauty without being sexually attracted. Voila, you learn something new every day. Your question seems rather immature. Women generally love to assess and comment on other women's looks, so we must all be lesbians, then.

When it comes to beauty I do think Nordic women, generally speaking, are outstanding. I think their femininity, elegance and refined and delicate facial features are unsurpassed. So is the color of their eyes, hair and skin. I'm not saying that I cannot see beauty in other types and races, as well. I do. However, I find that the sheer amount of elegant, beautiful and feminine Nordics is higher than in other types and races. There are more of them, simply put, when you compare the same amount of women. This is something that most men who visit Scandinavia will verify.

Why would you post that picture up? Erik clearly claimed that Heidi Klum is incredibly masculine. Also, Heidi Klum is not Nordic by anyone's standards. Just because she has blue eyes and blonde hair does not make her Nordic. She has Nordic DNA but is not within Nordic norms in terms of her features. The woman next to Heidi is not only masculine, she actually looks like a man. How are these pictures proving your point?

I didn't choose them because they look Nordic, although Elin is Swedish and does look Nordic, and Heidi semi-Nordic. It was in response to the photos of the white man with his black wife. Since I thought those were totally irrelevant in this discussion I posted another one with black men and their white wives. And why not? It's the same thing. The black woman looks way more masculine, by the way, but I didn't hear any complaints from you about that.

You seem very hostile towards Nordic women, by the way. Nasty, bad photos you posted here, and pointless. Deliberately choosing ugly photos of people making faces only speaks of insecurity and envy. You also seem bothered by the Seal/Woods picture and it's anyone's guess why..

As for Heidi and Elin they look like women you see in Sweden, although especially Heidi is much more masculine than the average woman here. She has heavier features than most Swedish women do. Heidi has brown eyes, by the way.

Hey Emily!
You have met your match i am here!!! :D
Can you explain to me why so many Nordic women want to be with black men? I have seen many such couples and it makes me sick! Why are they not sticking to their own men?
Off course your going to say that Black men like Nordic women because they are the most beautiful/feminine (according to you). But whats in it for the women?

Actually Heidi Klum has hazel eyes. I am not jealous or envious of Nordic women since I happen to be one myself. The difference between you and me is that I do not let my race define who I am as a person. If you ask me if I were to choose a mate, would it be a Nordic one? My answer would be that most likely it would be because I am most attracted to Nordic men. I do agree that Nordic women are on average the most attractive sub-race of the caucasian race, and that the caucasian race is on average more attractive than any other race...

However, within my argument I must add that although Nordic women are on average more attractive, that does not mean that every single Nordic woman is more attractive than any other woman out there of any other race. This means that although I see more good looking Nordic women in my day, it doesn't mean I won't find one African American woman who can be more attractive than all those Nordic women put together...

Do you get my drift? So when a man chooses his mate and he compares all those attractive Nordic women to that one stunning and more attractive African American woman who will he pick? Well he is most likely picking one person, so he will go for the African American, if biased preferences haven't been shaped within his life. You can argue: Well, why would he pick a woman who comes from a race that often does not produce more attractive offspring on average? Well, it does not matter if her race is on average less attractive, because she individually is more attractive.

When we select our mates we select an individual because we like their specific features and not necessarily the whole races features. We anticipate that our offspring will recieve the individual's attractive features, not the races' as a whole, because they do not have the whole races DNA. We are built to be attracted to certain qualities in everything for the survival of ourselves directly and the survival of our gene pool. We are attracted to bright fruit because bright fruit indicates high nutrients. We are attracted to eachother in much the same way. What will ensure strong healthy offspring that will pass on my gene pool? What qualities to I want my offspring to have?are the questions we must ask themselves and what we all subconsiously and instinctivley ask ourselves when choosing a mate.

Attraction is different from beauty. If you want to learn about "TRUE BEAUTY" get into philosiphy and actually just look around you. It is much deeper than attraction. Attraction is just a code embedded in our brains from birth that we follow to ensure survival in the gene pool. This code guides us to make good decisions when picking our mates. This code can be overwritten by social biases that develop during our lifetimes. This is essentially what is happening with the influence of the fasion world over society. However, this "skinny" body preference is affecting women more than men. Men are less likely to be influenced by social biases in terms of sexual selection for many reasons, too lengthy to include in here. Often however, unhealthy and unattractive overwrites on the brain come out of something good but are confused. For example, our current society believes that a healthy, fit, strong physique is the way to go for males and females. In fact this is almost a safety choice, this will always ensure strong offspring, so one can argue it has always been preferred. Well, the fashion world twisted this and turned it into unhealthy and thin based on some artist's ideal of beauty, and not attraction.

I claimed before that I am biased and attracted to Nordic men. This is because I grew up around Nordic men and so I am most comfortable and inclined towards them because of this. There is also a phenomenon attached to this. Did you ever notice that often times the more you are around a friend or someone they can appear more attractive than when you first met them? This is because attractive people's images are easy to process in our brains. When you get used to a slightly unattractive person your brain can process their image easier because you see them often and become attached to them and their image. Therefore the fact that your brain processes their image easier makes them more attractive to you. They become a bias and overwrite. There can also be an opposite effect. Many people are attracted to "exotic" people. These are essentially people that hold completely different characteristics. People are pulled in two ways in terms of attraction: familiarity or exoticness. The direction they are pulled towards depends on so many factors it would be impossible to list them all.

Another point I would like to mention is that although you believe that Nordic women are so unique, they are not. First off lets start off with the origin of Nordic people. There are many theories but one that is widely accepted is that Northern Europeans are the result of Indo-Europeans that migrated to the North of Europe. Indo-Europeans are essentially Middle Easterners or Indians. Middle Easterners and Indians have many qualities of Northern Africans. Africans are the most diverse human race so they have many many different characteristics, but Europeans clearly share the characteristics of Northern Africans. The long skull, long face, long nose, etc. are all "Aryan" characteristics. Aryan characteristics are those found in for example, Indians. Yes, Indians are the true Aryans. Northern Europeans are simply lighter in pigment and one can argue that they have more refined features than Indians and Northern Africans. Hitler in particular admired these qualities. I am bringing him into the picture because he was highly pro-Nordics and I want to show you that even he realized this connection. Hitler had his own personal Nefertiti that he highly valued and would not get rid of. Read up on it. I am in no way saying that you or Hitler have any similar ideas or relation, just making a point. Here are the pictures:

Notice in the last picture above how similar the bone structure of the statue and the woman are. The white woman has typical Northern European features except for pigmentation. Note that both women are mascunilized.

Compare to Nordic:

Note above how Indian people have very Nordic features in terms of face shape, long noses, long heads, etc. Again, you can argue that Nordic features are more refined. Indians that have broader faces are the result of admixture with Asians. However, Indians by themselves very closely resemble Nordics, with darker features.

This all leads to Nordic people. You seem to have a very interesting view on Asian people. You claim in your other posts that they very much resemble Neanderthals. Well, first off this is a very far fetched statement because there are few true accurate models and portrayals of Neanderthals. Even those models that we deem accurate may not be so. Nordic people are not always 100% Nordic as many would like to think, especially in the very Nordic countries such as Sweden or Finland. Sweden has an indigenous group of people that are very close to Asians DNA wise or even technically Asian called the Sami.

Sami:

recent Sami/Nordic mixes:

Many Nordic people have Sami DNA, and from other Asian groups in Northern Europe in general. Finland seems to have a population with the highest concentration of "Asian" DNA, which is interesting since they have the highest number of blondes in all of Europe and also since their blondes are lighter and brighter in genral. Eric even pointed out on this website in the nose job section that Finnish people often have shorter and broader noses. Nordic mixes with Asian people result in slanted eyes, shorter noses, fuller lips, rounder faces in general. This can be beautiful and attractive or not. It depends on the overall individual. Here are some example of Swedish girls:

*these women are a bit mascunilized. It is obvious they are athletes.

Note in the last photo how wide and rounded most of those womens faces are. The only one that looks truly Nordic is the blonde on in the middle. It is evident that those girls have Asian DNA. By your standards Emily, they might even appear Slavic. The reason for this is that what makes Slavic women look Slavic is the Asian admixture. Genghis Kan invaded most of Eastern to Central Europe. A lot of Asian admixture took place. Also, some argue that many Eastern Europeans developed a certain bone structure to suit their environment better. This bone structure leans towards Asian bone structure. Note that even in the first photos you can spot many women that look more Eastern European/ non-Nordic than Nordic ones. Also keep in mind that there are many foreigners all throughout Europe due to the fact that the reproduction rates in Europe are low, and reproduction is not keeping up with the economy. Many European countries have changed policies to encourage foreigners to inflate the reproduction rate resulting in more admixture. Notice that although one may look very Nordic, Asian DNA is still a possibility. The mixture is probably not very recent, and practically ancient. Or, the individual simply did not inherit stereotypical Asian/Sami genes. Sami bone structure is coarser than Central Asian or East Asian bone structure. Eastern Europeans are mixed with Central Asians and distantly mixed.

Either way what I am trying to say Emily, is get a DNA test. You might be closer to your Asian neanderthals than you think.

This is what I have to say about Eriks website. He makes some very good points, but his ideas is not 100% error free. If Erik really thought that his ideas are very accurate I would call him a fool. Femininity and attractiveness are so hard to define. Almost nothing in this world is black and white, even science. We are constantly expanding our knowledge of things. Also, the way Erik looks at things might be right, but there could be an opposite/different but equally accurate way of defining things. Look at this picture:

Do you see an old woman or a young woman? Who is right? The person that sees the young woman or the person that sees the old woman?

And don't write that question off to pyschology and philosiphy which many people deem unimportant. Countries are built on philosiphies, so obviously philosiphy is very important.

Well, I wanted to prove a point. Here in the U.S. we have stereotypes of very "Nordic" women too. Most of the extremely Nordic people in the U.S. live in the South, primarily composed of English ancestry. They often are stereotyped as "White trash here". The heart of the U.S. New York is was primarily built up by Eastern Europeans, and to this day they take up a majority of it. The South is looked at as uneducated and ignorant. Just like in your country you may see foreigners as ugly, we see our Southern people as uneducated and ugly. Just like you post up pictures of ugly and obviously ill taken care of Indians and South East Asians with obvious bad health care, inexpensive wardrobes, lack of access to things, I will post pictures of our "white trash" women who also don't or cannot take care of themselves to the extent of other women.

It's hard to live in the North of the U.S. up in New York coming from the South. I am often stereotyped as a "dumb blonde" or white trash because of my roots. So I know how it feels to be put down because of false stereotypes. You portray false stereotypes in your pictures, so I had to portray false steroetypes in mine to make a point.

I don't portray false stereotypes AT ALL. I live in Sweden and I know what women here look like. Unlike most others I don't post model pictures in order to show what my people look like.

Posting photos of Asian women or of racially mixed women who live here would be less of a stereotype to you no doubt, (you seem especially bothered by pictures of blondes with blue eyes so it's fair to assume you are not one of them. YOU, on the other hand portray a false image of Nordic women when you choose extremely masculine top athletes who are probably on steroids.

To be honest I don't have the time or interest to read and respond to your entire comment, it is too long, but I can say that I very much doubt you are Nordic, or white. I think you are Asian or black. Your first comments and pictures here were very revealing, and the later comments seem more like damage control than anything else, from what I have seen. It's funny, those who attack Nordics always call themselves Nordics on here. Each and every time. It is of course up to each and everyone who reads their comments to judge whether they are honest or not, and what motivates this kind of behavior.

Since you love pictures of Nordics making faces this one ought to please you. Other athletic girls without the steroids:

The girl you posted last doesn't look like a typical Swede. This girl is more representative of what a Swedish girl looks like. I guess she is too much of a steretype to you since she is not ugly. ;) I'm sorry to say that people here are generally good-looking so we must be living up to our steretypes then.

"Just like you post up pictures of ugly and obviously ill taken care of Indians and South East Asians with obvious bad health care, inexpensive wardrobes, lack of access to things, I will post pictures of our "white trash" women who also don't or cannot take care of themselves to the extent of other women."

Well, you do that, as long as you don't try to pin those pictures on Scandinavia.

Indians and East Asians often have "bad health care, inexpensive wardrobes and a lack of access to things" so showing that would not be dishonest, it tells you the truth of what the majority looks like. If you do the same with Nordics living in Scandinavia it will give a false picture since that is not what we look like here. We are well-off, generally speaking.

I cannot speak for your country. I have been there only once. I can't say that I saw the kind of people you showed in your pictures, though. I haven't posted pictures of down trodden people so I don't agree at all with your description. I have seen many such pictures though but I didn't want to post them.

First Indians are not dark white people. They are unique and have features of their own. Second Katrina Kaif, the woman in red is half anglo-saxon.
Secondly no amount of convincing will help with Emily. She does not like Indians. Plain and simple.

Boob job: Although Katerina Kaif might be half anglo-saxon is does not deter from my point. How many times do I have to repeat that Indians are a dolichocephalic ARYAN group of people. This means that they have long skulls and that their facial features are long, just like Nordics! She is a very good example... I told you that Indians with broader faces have Asian admixture. Oh the ignorance is killing me people! Please go read an anthropology book! Look up BRAHMINS! Or just look up South Indians. That should give you the answer!

Emily: Yes, my comment is long but there are main points in there you fail to address? Why? Because you know you cannot make a good argument. What about all the Asian mixed Nordics I posted up? Is your pride too much to admit that many if not the majority of Nordics have Asian DNA? I find it interesting because you claim Asians resemble Neanderthals, yet you are ignorant because you do not even know what an accurate portrayal of a Neanderthal is. Have you ever studied Neanderthal head measurments, body measurements,etc.? No. Go pick up a book an educate yourself. I rarely have time for books because I work my ass off and I am only 20 years old, however, I know a little about something and it is evident more than you, which is sad because you practically dominate this website. I noted that some of those pictures I posted up are masculine. I was trying to show Asian admixture. The rest are not Masculine yet Asian admixture is evident in all the girls. Here is one of those photos:

Note: none of the women are masculine. All of them have rounded faces and Asian qualities, the blonde one doesn't but she too has Asian admixture. It is obvious!

About the Indian people, no Emily your pictures are unfair. You cannot compare the standard of living to Indians in India to any people in Scandinavia. Maybe you should turn on the news or read about and learn a thing or two about India before you make false assumptions. The people you posted have no where near as good of a standard of living to the Swedish and they will not look as good as them simply because of that.

I find it amusing that one of your main arguments to me is that I am not white. It really does not matter if I was white or not, it is my point that matters. I am not biased, well actually, I am biased because like I said I am attracted to my own kind: Nordics. Does this statement ring clear to you?:

"I do agree that Nordic women are on average the most attractive sub-race of the caucasian race, and that the caucasian race is on average more attractive than any other race"

How does that sound biased towards any other group? Besides, like I said, it is the point I make that is important.

"In 1931 (the last Indian census to record caste), Brahmins accounted for 4.32% of the total population. Brahmins even in Uttar Pradesh, where they were most numerous, constituted just 12% of the recorded population. In Andhra Pradesh, they formed less than 6%,Tamil Nadu they formed less than 3% and in Karnataka, less than 2%.[13] In Kerala, Nambudiri Brahmins make up 0.7% of the population."

Brahmins make up around 5% of the total population in India. Choosing them as examples of what most Indians look like is dishonest since 95% of them are not Brahmins. I could say the Sami are the real Swedes, and just disregard everyone else. It would make just as much sense. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than posting lies (you claiming to be a blonde Nordic in one thread then saying you are half-Puertorican in another), pictures of half-Indian actresses showing them off as 100% Indian, and outrageous claims that Indians look just like Swedes/Nordics?

Brahmins are not attractive people. They don't look white. There are Brahmins in every state but the system is slowly fading. Indians do not look like Swedes. Even if they dye their hair blonde, they won't look like swedes. Why? Because they are not Swedes. There was no mixing amongst the two. Ever.

The last girl I posted is a typical Swedish. You live in Sweden, don't you know what the website Snyggast is? It is a Swedish social website equal to hot or not in the U.S. She obviously is Swedish with Asian admixture. She is clearly beautiful. I agree she does not look like a typical Swede. She looks better than the typical Swede.

Wow. Great statistics there Emily. Have you cited your sources? Also, Indians again are an ARYAN DOLICHOCEPHALIC group. They are not all Brahmins but they are all Aryan. I told you the ones with braod faces that you post up, are obviously mixed with upper Asians. Do you know where India is Emily? South Asia!

I am half puerto rican, I never said I was 100% Nordic. Yes I do have blonde hair. Yes it is natural. I have other DNA but I don't know what it is. I just know my immediate heritage. My mother is Puerto Rican and my father is Nordic. I lived in the South of the United States all my life. I grew up around white people and I look very white. I tan easier than white people and I have more Puerto Rican shaped eyes and fuller lips, but I look really white. I know my mom isn't 100% Puerto Rican but we don't know what else she is so I just say I'm half puerto rican. I am proud that I have other genes. It makes me look good. But overall, I have Nordic bone structure. I was born with strawberry blonde hair and dark blue-green eyes. I think that is pretty Nordic. I have larger lips but they are nice:)
You are so ignorant seriously.

Who said Indians look Nordic if they dye their hair blondes? When did I say that? Please pay attention to bone structure and not pigmentation. I claimed they looked Nordic just darker. Because their bone structure, dolicephalic skulls are Nordic! Especially with lack of Asian admixture. Please read an anthropology or history book.

Many if not the majority of Swedes are mixed with Samis. Yes, the Samis are not a huge part of Sweden, but admixture with them is a huge part. Germany has more Nordic looking type people often because they have no Asian mixture. Most of Europe is somehow mixed with some type of Asian DNA because of the groups interacting or because of invasion such as Eastern Europe. There are few places that don't have any. Many Swedes and Finns etc. are mixed with Samis or an Asian type of people. It is clearly evident. Like I said Emily, go get your DNA tested. I think you will be surprised.

The argument between Bourne and Emily appears to be related to the usage of Nordic. Emily is using a strict definition, namely a Scandinavian (a Norwegian or Swede using a stricter geographic definition). Bourne is presumably referring to the light coloring that suggests a significant Nordic element in Ekaterina, where Nordic is more generically used as a Northern European not limited to Scandinavia. Northern European tribes have occupied Eastern Europe for thousands of years. The word Russia derives from the Rus, a branch of the Vikings (Nordics using Emily’s strict definition) that moved to Russia and Ukraine. So Ekaterina is close to an Eastern type of the various Northern European people out there and presumably has a lot of Nordic genetics. You will find plenty of people in Russia and the Ukraine that would easily blend in among Western or Scandinavian Northern Europeans, though not Ekaterina because she has a clear Eastern look to her.

THE INDO-EUROPEANS

This is a reply to Kayla B.

You said that Indo-Europeans are essentially Middle Easterners or Indians. This is incorrect. The original Indo-Europeans were Nordic-type people that spread over a wide region ranging from Europe to India and hence the Indo-European designation. Ethnically, these people did not resemble Middle Eastern or South Asian people existing either today or when the Indo-Europeans encountered them for the first time, and even though many Indo-European tribes spread from the Russian Caucasus region, you can be reasonably sure that their looks didn’t lean toward Asiatic because a few thousand years ago Central Asia and large parts of East Asia were occupied by Northern European types and there weren’t any East Asians in the region to alter their looks. The original Indo-Europeans were a very Nordic-looking people.

You mentioned long noses being an Aryan characteristic shared by Europeans, Indians and North Africans. If nose length is considered in relation to face length, among these populations, the shortest noses will disproportionately be found in India and the longest in some Middle Eastern populations. Skull, face and nose lengths are hardly features with which to infer shared ancestry. Many more elements should be considered.

Indians are not the true Aryans. The Aryans were a European people that migrated to the region and subsequently disappeared as a distinct ethnic group. Today it is rare to find people in India that would look Northern European if they had white skin. Incidentally, none of your pictures of Indians reveal people with Nordic face shapes though you could find some such Indians. Even the half Indian, Katrina Kaif, has a face shape that looks Middle Eastern, not Nordic. You mentioned Hitler realizing the connection between the Northern Europeans he admired and people in India. What is this connection? Lost white tribes set up a civilization in a far-away land well before Christ’s birth and far away from the Middle East, which is where the Biblical worldview would place the origin of Western civilization. Scholars who were not too keen on adopting the Biblical worldview were happy to be able to trace white/Germanic cultural origins to a long-lost European people distant from the Middle East, and Hitler and others adopted some of the cultural elements of the Aryans to symbolize the noble, the good and the spirit of the white man, the most recognizable element being the Swastika. Aryan in Sanskrit means noble. Over time the word Aryan in India came to encompass people that didn’t have much in common with the original Aryans, but the untouchables of India, a substantial minority (like 1 in 6), were never classified as part of the Aryan community, and so your including all Indians in the basic Aryan group (though you allow for some Asian element) does not go with the Indians’ own classification.

THE ASIATIC ELEMENT IN SWEDEN

Another reply to Kayla B.

You said that “Sweden has an indigenous group of people that are very close to Asians DNA wise or even technically Asian called the Sami.” This is incorrect. The Sami are a Northern Scandinavian Nordic-Asian mixed people, with the Nordic element predominating, on average. Then you posted pictures of recent Sami/Nordic mixes, but these people are Sami (Nordic-Asian mixes, more Nordic than Asian).

You then started talking about an Asian element in Swedes and other Nordics. Most Nordics have no significant East Asian genetic material or else they would not retain their high frequency of light hair and light eyes. Besides, some of the so-called Asian DNA in Nordics, more so in Finland, is not Asian ethnically. Until a few thousand years ago, Central Asia and large parts of East Asia were occupied by European people. The genes of these European people that have ended up in Finland and neighboring populations have technically come from Asia geographically, but not ethnically.

Within any population you will find people with faces ranging from wide to narrow. It is silly to look at round or wide-faced Nordics and come to the conclusion that they have Asian DNA when their light pigmentation, body shape and numerous other characteristics suggest no more than an insignificant amount of East Asian genetic material, if at all. This goes for the Swedish girl that you claim to have discernible distant Sami DNA based on her face. If you believe that Asian mixture can improve the looks of a Nordic, I’d say you are correct; it can sometimes, but this improvement will almost never be because the face is shifted toward East Asian norms but because of other factors. If this doesn’t make sense, wait for me to post an article on this topic.

Erik, would you mind giving me the source of your material and where you found your information? I have studied scholarly articles and books and that is where I got my information from. I am wondering where you got your theories from? I don't know who is more accurate. I am sure I am not 100% accurate, but I don't think you are either. I have never actually heard of anything you said or read anything on it. I have read about the out of Africa theory, and how we all branched out. I have read a bit on cro-magnons and neanderthals and ancient ancestry but not a lot. What I learned about Indians being the Aryans, Northern Africans, etc. I learned at my school. It is a Catholic private school though and not typical of the schools over here where I live specifically, so now I am questioning what I have been taught and why I haven't been taught any other theories. I would really enjoy reading wherever you got your sources. Can you please tell me the name of the articles/research? Anthropology is really interesting to me. Thanks!

I looked it up and I believe what I learned in school is the "Out of India" theory? Which theory did you post? I really need to study it. I haven't looked over anything about Indians or "Aryans" since high school, but now this really grabbed my attention.

Sami argument:

Yah, what I meant by "recent" Sami is that the person still holds many Asian qualities. Some Northern Europeans mixed with Sami a loooong time ago and have since only continued mixing with more Northern Europeans, so that Sami characteristics rarely show up, rather more recent Northern European characteristics show up and you can barely tell they have any Asian DNA whatsoever. Your genes don't ever get diluted, but some people have more "obvious" expressions of genes in terms of race. I posted those pictures up to show that even thought those people have very Nordic features, they evidently still have very Asian features that are very well expressed. Blonde hair is not possible without both parents having that genes, so the blonde Sami girls couldn't be half Sami. I just wanted to show Emily that Northern Europeans have Asian admixture as well. Since she finds Asians so repulsive, I find it ironic and amusing that Sami people exist in Sweden. And yes I agree that Asian features often improve Nordic looks, however sometimes they do just the opposite.

Erik,
someone on here made a good point. I often see white women with black men. I don't mean just your regular white

women either. I mean the tall blue eyed blonde women that are naturally blonde. Are they attracted to black men

because black men are so masculine and white women (north women) are feminine? Even in Sweden the high status women go for darker guys whether in terms of hair color or skin color. Why is this? Is darker more masculine?

You don't have to answer if you don't want. Have you ever dated a more masculine woman? Were you not able to be attracted to her AT ALL? Jus wonderin! When I saw your post on "how to have a god like son" and how you thought that woman was masculine but beautiful nonetheless I don't know it just made me look at you differently. It showed me that you understand something beyond attraction, something called beauty. lol well i got that crap from kayla b's beauty thing philosiphy but it got me thinking and there really is a diff. and you saw that Erik you just haven't realized it

Reposting the same photo won't give you a different answer. Just because this person is on a Swedish website doesn't mean she is the best representative for Nordics. People of all kinds of races and ethnicities post there. What kind of silly argument is that? There are some in Sweden who have heavier features due to the Finnish/Slavic influence, probably. Especially if they are from Stockholm or above. These will sometimes have broader/rounder faces, bigger cheekbones and generally somewhat heavier features. They will look more robust.

Cite reliable sources for that statement. The Sami is are very closed-knit and isolated group of people, not only geographically but also socially and culturally. They have never had any desire to mix with other Swedes or Norwegians and they very much keep to themselves - much like native Americans, I presume. By the way, you should lay off with the DNA bit. It's irrelevant and ridiculous.

For the record, I think Kayla B is trolling. I have never said anything about individual posters but to me this is a person who has mental problems and a total obsession with racial issues, probably due to some deep-seated inferiority complexes. She claims not to read much about this subject but all she says contradicts her. That's probably all she ever does. I also suspect she has posted under other nicknames here. She is fanatically obsessed with racial issues, with a particular emphasis on trying to turn white/Nordics more or less into Asians.

Look, let's all agree on this; white/Nordics really are just half-Asians and probably also very much Neanderthal. All the things that distinguish the white race are really just illusions and we are all just more or less Asian and Indian.
Asian, Puertorican and Indian women are the most desirable and feminine creatures that ever walked the earth and no one should pay any attention to white women since they are so incredibly ugly.

Any desirable traits you see in Nordic women are just the Asian parts shining through so why not go for the real thing? We all must come to this conclusion and stop worshipping on the altar of the overvalued white woman.

Now there. I have spared Kayla time and energy, and she can finally catch some breath and get a life and a hobby that is more sane.

As if she would be honest and post the real ones. Strawberry-blonde hair and blue-green eyes when one parent is Puertorican? The irony is that she described MY colours, except for the deep colour of the eyes. Mine are bright blue-green. I have two pure Nordic parents who have blue-grey and green-blue eyes, and blonde and light-brown hair.

If you have a Hispanic parent who maybe even carry also some black genes (Puertoricans are often very dark) you don't get to have blonde children with blue eyes. That is HIGHLY unlikely. Ultimately it doesn't matter what she looks like, though. She could be a space alien for all I know. It is what she writes that matters, and what she writes is ridiculous.

According to her Nordics are basically half-Asians and Indians "very much resemble" Nordics except for their colors. She writes like a nut, then posts pictures of half-Indians and try to say they look Nordic. I laughed when I saw that because she had Indian written all over her, even with one Anglo-Saxon parent.

Nordic-looking Indians. It's all just in the color, people. They are really just deeply tanned Nordics. That's what Kayla says so it must be true. After all, she reads books.

Then why the.... don't they look like this? Swede.

Swede.

Really just Indians with blonde hair and blue eyes, according to some. Indian Brahmins, maybe? I wonder how many laughs I would get if I said that to people and showed them the picture.

"According to her Nordics are basically half-Asians and Indians "very much resemble" Nordics except for their colors"

Actually, I never said that. I said that many Nordics are mixed with Asians, not that Nordics by themselves or originally were Asian. I never said Nordics were Indian, just that they might have come about from that line of people, but they are different due to mutating and thus evolving seperatley.I never said they were half-Asians either. Actually, I am sure a very rare percentage of Nordics are "half" Asian, a lot less than that. That doesn't take away from the fact there is lots of Asian admixture. My ideas about Indians, I got out of the Out of India theory. There are many theories out there, some of which I haven't obviously studied or heard of. I learned the Out of India theory a couple years back in high school. I thought it was relatively good since man Indian features closely resemble North African, and then Nordic features. Honestly, anthropology is not a science set in stone. Even the theory of evolution has many potholes, but I still have faith in that. I am willing to open my mind and learn. All I want is truth. There may be some biases on my part, however you shouldn't judge me on this. You are obviously even more biased! You claim that Native Americans are a secular group in the U.S.? Yes that is true, but an overwhelming percentage of Americans have Native American ancestry. Overwhelming! Ask 10 people here what their heritage is. I garauntee you 8 out of 10 will say somewhere in there they have Native American ancestry.

Puerto Ricans black? No, Puerto Ricans or Mexicans or Native Americans are also related to Asians in some way shape or form. Most likely when a long time ago Asians migrated to North America. The theory goes it was by a land straight from the area near or on Russia. Just because some Puerto Ricans mixed with blacks does not mean all Puerto
Ricans are black. Puerto Ricans are not even close to blacks. The pigment of your skin says little about your race. It goes alot deeper than that.

I don't really care if you don't believe what hair or eye color I have. It is only the truth. My mother is not 100% puerto rican. We don't know what she is otherwise though since she was raised by her puerto rican single mother. She never met her father and yes her mother wasn't the virgin mary either, but after she had my mother she grew up and took responsibility. My father is 100% white and he went for my mom. I just happened to get a lot of recessive genes. My mother looks puerto rican because she has dark hair and eyes, but her bone structure and skin color is a little different. I strawberry blonde hair and blue-green eyes. My hair is on the darker side, but it was lighter when I was little. Why should I post a pic up? Would you be willing to post a pic up of you on the internet? Maybe you should so we can see how beautiful and feminine of a Nordic you are since you claim all Nordics are so lovely?

boob job:yes, it is rare for *mixed puerto ricans to have blonde hair but not impossible. My hair was a bit lighter when I was younger, and as I grew older it gained a reddish tint. Now its a dark strawberry blonde.

sorry thought you asked me for pictures of myself. Turned out it was someone named "visitor". I refuse to post pictures up of myself on the internet. I am on social networking sites but those are all set to private.

Also, I can see a similarity between that brahmin and a regular white person. Yes, there are differences as well, but many similarities in bone structure. Again, I will add that Nordic bone structure is more refined. However, I am not going to say that Nordics ARE Indians as Emily keeps accusing me of saying. I am saying there is a RELATIONSHIP between them. That relationship is similarity in bone structure, and there are just theories as to what that relationship is exactly.

It's also funny that Kayla says only the Indians WITHOUT the Asian admixture resemble Nordics since Nordics are so heavily related to Asians surely the resemblance should be just as strong - if not stronger - to Indians who have the Asian admixture, to normal Indians, that is. Logical thinking is not her forte. If you have to look among Indians who have no Asian admixture in order to find Nordic-looking people there then why since we all look so Asian here?

Of course I am still waiting for a picture of a TRULY Nordic-looking 100% pure Indian - not a half-Indian who still looks Indian. If you find it we will compare it to what the other 99% of Indians look like.

"Also, I can see a similarity between that brahmin and a regular white person"

Of course you can, dear. We ALL see it, (eh), don't worry. People who visit Sweden all prize the Asian- and Indian-looking Swedes. The similarities are so huge. I am not an expert on what "regular white persons" look like in the US but here they don't look like Brahmins, and I don't care what color they have. Dark or light they will NEVER look Nordic unless they have Nordic blood, and not even then, apparently.

Good for you that you don't post pictures of yourself, Kayla. I bet the only thing you got right in your self-description was the fuller lips part.. Envy is a nasty thing. It makes you see reality in a warped way and truth doesn't matter when you have to lend some legitimacy to your idiocies. After all, had you told us you are not in any way coming close to looking Nordic everyone would have written you off as a jealous woman, which in fact you are.

Boob job has to show pictures of ADULT Puertoricans who still retain naturally blonde hair AND blue- or blue-green eyes. Children won't do since their adult colors are not developed yet. Anyway, it wouldn't matter since Kayla claims her mother has the Hispanic/ black colors of dark hair and dark eyes. Those Puertoricans don't make blonde, BLUE-green-eyed adult children. That is VERY rare. Kayla is in fact probably just another Hispanic/Asian/Indian girl (take your pick) who hates blondes with blue eyes. What else is new? Sorry if I sound angry, but mean-spirited people who lie out of envy repulse me.

Look, it's not even relevant to discuss it. Who cares what she says. I don't believe half of it is true. Her agenda here was made clear in her first postings. Her later comments have been damage control. She wants to come across as some kind of expert on Nordic anthropology. She is not. She is just a layman with a personal grudge against Nordic women. Erik has contradicted her on several important points and I choose to believe HIM since he has not an axe to grind.

Of course I am still waiting for the scientific evidence of the heavy Sami admixture among Swedes. You said it is "huge". Cite reliable sources for the statement you made. You ignored that part.

As for the out of India theory you should try the "out of here" theory. Stop writing nonsense and personal fantasies and "theories" as if it was hard scientific fact.

Brahmins are the "crème de la crème" of Indian society and have much power and influence. They are often highly educated and financially well-off. They also "coincidentally" look more white and less ethnically Indian than other Indians do. They account for less than 5% of the Indian population.

Brahmins - just like most other Indians contrary to what Kayla wants you to think - have broader, rounder faces and lower foreheads than Nordics, on average, and of course different eyes and noses. Their skin has a distinct yellowish-brown color, even when they call themselves "fair". It is very important in India to have as fair skin as possible, and to generally look as little Indian as possible. The Dalits, formerly known as the untouchables, have very dark skin in comparison.

These are the Indians that those who promote Indian beauty want to show us. The elite - not the ordinary Indians. I don't see why since they can be just as attractive as the Brahmins, albeit with darker complexion. The point is to look white, it seems, and if you also have blue eyes you will probably be a movie star.

Brahmins are accused of thinking that they are better than other Indians, and apparently like to keep to themselves so they won't get tainted by associating themselves with lower classes/castes. India is a country full of segregation and discrimination, from what I can tell. I'm not an expert but this is what it looks like to me. Very poor and vulnerable people are treated extremely badly.

95% of Indians are NOT Brahmins.

Brahmins;

Dalits, the outcasts. They are treated terribly and live under great oppression and discrimination.

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There is good looking and ugly looking people everywhere whether in India or Sweden but you are probably mentally ill if you create a website about such an issue so please go and get off the computer and get a job.

Emily: What do you mean few people retain blonde hair and blue eyes? Blue eyes never change color as you get older, in fact most people's eyes lighten as they age. Blonde hair on a puerto rican is rare yes, but keep in mind I am less than half Puerto Rican. I don't know what the rest of my ancestry is so I have to say half Puerto Rican. My mother never met her father, and her mother isn't even sure what his ethnicity is exactly, she knew he was Nordic, but was he German, Swedish, Irish, etc.? Yes my mother has dark features but that does not make it impossible for her to pass on light features. It take two parents to carry the recssive genes required for blonde hair and blue eyes. Just because my mother had dark hair and eyes does not mean she did not carry the recessive gene for blonde hair and blue eyes, but that it was masked by her dominant brown hair brown eyes gene. I am not an only child and I have siblings with brown eyes. However, I am on the lighter side compared to them because I simply received the recessive genes. None of us really look hispanic though. You can see some features, but a stranger probably won't be able to pin point my ethnicity at all.

So you want statistics? I will give you statistics. Right now I am busy with school and work so it might take a few days. I want to give you good credible statistics so you can't say I am making this stuff up. I will find a credible source for all this and Ill give you what you want. Don't write off everything as jealousy. You know what makes me angry? Ignorance. I feel you are ignorant and I want to open your eyes. To show you everything is not as it seems, and that everything goes a lot deeper than it seems. You have this idea in your head that is arrogant and wrong. You have so much fear of being what you hate, what you believe to be inferior from you simply because you were born a certain way and they weren't. I want to prove to you that you are closer to those "inferior" people than you think because you most likely are in many ways. I am not jealous of you Emily. I am disgusted by you. What if you were to be born an Indian in India? What if you wondered when your next meal is? What if you were born a middle class Indian? So what? Middle class there is not like middle class here. Standard of living is different. I want to show you what a monster you are. It doesn't matter if people who are PURE Nordics (not mixed with Sami, etc.) are superior, you give any Nordic a bad name. I am sure many of your fellow Swedes would be disgusted with your ideas.

Now, I am not endorsing racial intermixing or anything. I am not saying you should be attracted to someone of another race. I hope that we can preserve races. I mean I have nothing against mixed people, obviously I am one. However, I want to have people that are 100% white, black, asian, etc. too! I never want these races to completely dissolve. I do believe preserving a race is important too. I am saying however, realize that you are wrong to say that Nordics are the most beautiful people on Earth. That every other race is so disgusting. I am saying notice the beauty in all races. Notice that there are extremely beautiful people in all races. And yes there could be a more beautiful person in one race, than there can be for 10 Nordic girls put together!

I already know you made it up, since I checked it myself. Look, this site is about femininity and beauty in women, and everyone is free to have their own opinion regarding who and what is feminine and beautiful without being accused or attacked like you did to me right from the start. Understand that basic concept. I state my opinion on beauty and I believe that it is shared by a vast majority of people. If this upsets you so be it.

You know, what matters to people is what they actually can SEE. Whoever or whatever made someone beautiful and feminine is irrelevant. Understand? You are obsessed with racial issues, and of me apparently, since you are of mixed race and have huge hang-ups and inferiority complexes that have nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. Everyone here can see that. As far as I am concerned this ridiculous discussion ends here.

Why haven't you posted any picture(s) of your heavenly, Nordic phenotype yet? If you are indeed Nordic looking ... you have the "benefit" of having the finest/refined features, light hair, light eyes, light skin...In short everything "nice". You will only be praised by everyone here. Since everyone is trying to look more white/nordic, we will truly appreciate your features and use them as a reference point for altering our own. Go on! I am surprised you haven't done so yet and shut everyone up. Why only use pictures of Nordic "models" when the best way to determine Nordic attractiveness is by looking at average people since they will be better looking than the average for other races. Since you are the average Nordic person why don't you prove this point?
I am eagerly awaiting your beauty! Please bring light on my darkness!

To be honest, I thought that this was an informative website, and I have visited it several times, but I have to say, I am disgusted by it.

I am disgusted by its racial prejudice and exaltation of one "race" over the other. We are all humans, some are beautiful, some are not. But what is truly ugly is this superiority complex that I see everywhere on this site.

I have seen beautiful asian girls, I have seen beautiful asian-indian girls, I have seen beautiful native american girls, I have seen beautiful african girls, I have seen beautiful caucasian girls etc. Bottom line is this site is about promoting "feminine beauty" when it is really about demeaning one group of people.

Emily, you are a disgrace as a human being. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean that the are jealous of you (and you have an extreme ego to really think that!), and it does not mean they wish they were you.

I believe that Kayla B. is in actuality truthful about here appearance because I have seen many mixed people with different features. I have seen African-Americans with red hair, light blond hair (my aunt is one of them), blue eyes, green eyes what have you.

To sum up, get a life, and look for beauty in everyone and everything.

Erik,
I agree with the non-nordic Emily. This website almost made me throw up when I saw it! It screams lack of self esteem!

You know men are not as selective as women when it comes to a mate right? Men can pass their DNA in 3 minutes. Women have to carry a baby for nine months so they are very selective as who they mate with because for them it is worth more to be selective. Men generally find healthy women attractive. Otherwise there is not much that won't deter a man away from fucking you. The things that are more important are how intelligent, talented, etc. a woman is. That comes in many shapes and sizes. Basically, I am saying a woman just has to take care of herself and have qualities like intelligence, etc. to attract a good man. It is really reversed so there should be a male masculinity website, because pretty woman go for good looking men, and ugly women go for ugly men. Its not the other way around. Women are the ones selecting the men. Men are not as selective. It is up to us, not to you. You better start looking good for women Erik instead of trying to make women look good for you. Somewhere on this site you mention you seem to attract small breasted women when you clearly are more attracted to larger breasts. Although most men would love small perky breasts since small perky breasts are equivalent to large cantalope breasts in terms of attraction and fertility. There have been many studies done on this. So perhaps you should work on yourself so YOU can attract the type of women you want to attract, rather than worrying about women attracting you!

WOMEN ARE MORE SELECTIVE!
Here is just a little over view of that. Not the best source or the best explanation but it was a psycholgical experiment. You can find tons of research proving this though! It is common sense. If I put on a classy nice outfit, do my hair nice, speak and walk gracefully, I can attract any man! However, not ANY man can attract me. This is truly the way it works. When a man selects a wife he pays attention to non-physical qualities. When he selects a bed partner for one night or more, he pays attention to her physical features, however these aren't all that important since men are not really all that selective. So are you surprised that many men LOVE Victorias Secret models? Even extremely attractive men? NO! It makes perfect sense. So maybe you should start a website explaining to men how they should be attracting the ladies huh? You should have a "how to improve your looks section" for that website as well.

If they are so selective how come they often get pregnant before even having an established relationship, anxiously asking themselves how the man will take the news of the pregnancy, and sometimes not even knowing who the father is because they are so sexually "active"? Women should be far more selective, actually. Society would be a lot more stable if they were. Men who are serious seem to complain about how easy women are and they say that they cannot respect them.

"When a man selects a wife he pays attention to non-physical qualities. When he selects a bed partner for one night or more, he pays attention to her physical features"

Actually, it could be said that it is the other way around. When a man wants only sex from a woman he is not very selective or choosy at all. He "selects" her based on how sexually available she is, first and foremost. A much, much prettier woman will be of no interest to him, unless she seems "available". When he is serious he will be much more picky and he will choose someone he finds attractive. Men are very much into looks when they look for a serious girlfriend, and often only later discover that the woman they chose had a bad character or lacked good qualities.

They go for looks FIRST when they are serious, and they go for sexual availability when they are not. They may SAY that they look for other qualities too (politically correct version), but the reality is that their choices initially are mostly based on looks. If he gets the girl he will proudly describe how beautiful she is to his friends. Rarely will he mention in the same breath that she sings in the church choir, is an excellent cook and has good morals. Those things will be mentioned much later on, if ever, since he is probably not even aware of them yet. Highly intellectual people would be an exception to this but they don't represent most ordinary people.

I don't think you could say that women choose. Women who want to fool themselves like to say that, I think. It can appear that women have the power of choosing since men initiate, but they forget that the men already had made a selection by that time, and that many women feel left out in those selections that men make. So it goes both ways, I think.

Unlike many other women here I don't have huge insecurities and don't feel personally attacked when a man shows pictures of women who are feminine and slim because I feel I don't measure up. That's also why I don't come across as hysterical. If you are intelligent try to figure out why that could be, instead of writing nonsense.

Erik is not telling ordinary women what they should look like, I think. He is telling you that there is something wrong when homosexual fashion designers - who are obviously disgusted by the normal, healthy female form and feminine curves - get to dictate what beauty is. If any of you insecure women had undressed in front of these designers they would have looked at you with disgust and picked you apart, exactly because you are feminine, normal and healthy. THAT is the sickness Erik is trying to show you, I think.

And you still don't get it. Women are so self-obsessed and unsophisticated in the US that they lack the ability to even see what the message here is. Erik wants more natural, feminine and healthy women in the media - not anorexic and androgynous models who are so far removed from what women look like that they hardly resemble women any more, but an entire new species.

He is not your enemy. The fashion industry is. Generally, sane heterosexual men can see and appreciate beauty in many types and forms. They like curvy women, slim women, thin women and even voluptuous women, as long as they seem healthy and project some kind of femininity - in contrast to their own masculinity. Erik has shown many types of women here, and he has seen beauty in all of these female forms.

Does the fashion industry do the same, I ask? Before you attack, try at least to understand who your true adversary is.

I understand the message of the site, and I think it is an important and valid one. Unlike many women reading here I see this as being about a more healthy, normal and sane beauty ideal. That is something women should welcome, is it not?

Emily...if you are a "woman", don't speak for all men!
I am a gay male but i don't find the current model look too attractive. There are many straight guys i know who are into the model look. They like tall, skinny girls...which is more typical of North European women btw!
Most male models/athletes would want to date similar looking females. A 7 foot tall "fit" male wouldn't exactly look ok with an average woman who is lets say...5 feet tall and curvy/not slim. Just a thought...
Also i see you have not responded to any of my comments. I can take you on anyday! I can prove you wrong...

Erik is just doing exactly what the fashion industry is doing.He is promoting his personal idea of what beauty is and trying to sell it. Now I agree that there are certain characteristics on a woman that are synonomous with the term beauty. However, the formula for beauty isn't quite developed yet, and Erik is no where near it either. What truly makes a beautiful person beautiful is the right combination of the right characteristics. Now the right characteristics are those that are considered universally beautiful, however these characteristics have to be paired and balanced with other characteristics to complete the look. Also, notice that if someone has all the right characteristics combined this really won't make them as beautiful as a person who has SOME stereotypical "beautiful" characteristics paired with some stereotypical un-beautiful or regular characteristics. Too much of one thing is never good. Life is balance.

If you want healthy women around then you have to change the way that you do things. For example, in the U.S. people have power through consumerism. Whatever they demand they get. If less people bought magazines with skinny mascunilized women on the cover and in them, then the publishers would not accept those women in their magazines since they know they will make more sales with curvier more feminine women. Posting on a site that is basically just some guys opinion is not going to change anything. Also, due to the fact that no offense, but everything that is written on this site has little credibility. Erik cherry picks the research that supports his claims, which is not wrong, because that is what you do when you prove a point. However, there have been many studies that prove the opposite than the studies that Erik posts. Also, the research Erik posts is not all that credible, and most of the research done on "beauty" is not credible. Beauty is not something we can define that easily. It is something that you know when you see it but can't exactly define.

Emily and I are not the same person, and nobody should be accusing me of “same obsession racial superiority with blonde hair, blue eyes.” If you have anything to dispute, there surely is evidence you can cite without attacking the person.

Emily is a Swede living in Sweden. Does anyone seriously believe that very many Nordic Swedes would have some kind of obsession with blonde hair and blue eyes?

Ching Yang...: I have cited plenty of evidence that my idea of what is attractive in women is the same as that of most people, whereas the fashion industry cannot cite comparable evidence. So you cannot accuse me doing just what the fashion industry is doing, and I have explained on the FAQ page how I differ from this industry on other measures.

It is bad manners to be accusing someone of putting forth arguments having little credibility and cherry picking studies without substantiating the charges. You have stated that there have been many studies proving the opposite of the ones I am citing. Cite enough of them to show how some of my major arguments are not credible. You will run into minor criticism here and there in the comments, but I have limited time and I will take care of them eventually. What I have yet to encounter is substantiated criticism of the major arguments I have put forth.

I haven't had time to really look over any journals, it is very hard to find any information on how many Swedes could be mixed with Sami. Many do not even know they have Sami DNA obviously. Anyways, I found some interesting articles on the Sami. It seems this article mentions that there is recent admixture.

The Y-cromosome I1a found largely throughout Sweden originated in Middle East many thousand years ago (pre-historic time). It stemmed from a commom ancestor of the current nordic and middle eastern man. Once there was IJ, so It split as I and J. The I chromosome subdivided into I1a (Nordic area) and I1b (Balkans) and J in J1b (Arabic Penisula) and J1a (Levant). No, the carriers of I and J are not the same people they just have commom ancestors. The carriers of I chromosome are "Glacial" while J people are "Sandy Desert".

European white man is: R1a, R1b, I1a, I1b from the Glacial peak.

R Y-chromosome is another history. Once it was M-45 (P) so it split and formed R and Q. Are R and Q the same people? No, as long as I and J they just share a commom acestor. R turned out R1 (Europe) and R2 (India). And R1 turn out as R1a (Eastern Europe) and R1b (Western Europe) and Q is simply native american (asteca, maya,...)

The best way to prove asiatic admixture in swedish people would be by y-cromosome evidence. So, where are the nordics with "mongoloid" Y-cromosome? Where are the y-chromosome evidence comproving Atilla and Genghis Kan descendants in Europe. The unique evidence of mongoloid admixture in Europe are those found in the very far Eastern Europe (blame comunist soviets for that)

Sammi people are not mongoloid but simply a race of their own (at least they were for the most part). They've got their own genes and physical aspects. Round face and small eyes alone doesn't scream mongoloid admixture. Sammi people have very projecting faces, whereas mongoloids have flat faces. When thinking in Sammis just bring to your mind the word URAL. Uralic people are a race of their own. Nowaday they happen to be mixed with europeans to West and With mongoloid to the East.

The slavic look is not a "caucasoid"-"mongoloid" hybrid but a caucasoid-uralic mix. The admixture in Sweds is not mongoloid but uralic. The same goes to finns. Well, are they white? It's relative since terms as white, black and socially constructed.

Those superficial traits that you describe as mongoloid are not mongoloid. They just happen not to be restrict to asiatic people.

If the origin of the white man rely on India it would be anything but NORDIC. The closest that Indians come to Europe is due to the presence of R1a that peaks in the very Northern India. In Europe R1a only peaks in Northern Slavic countries while it's the least commom in nordic countries and Western Europe. Theories are not science.

Indian People are not long-faced. Long face are just those one picked out by the likes of Bollywood. Even if they were it doesn't connect them to nordic people.

The origin of white man is a group of Middle Eastern and Central Asia man that turned "white" by living thousand of years through two glacial eras.

This is an interesting site: it almost works. The author has made all the right noises... References to the damage that the fashion industry has done to the bodies and minds of countless women... The propagation of an almost unreachable masculine ideal... A call to boycott the industries that are benefitting from the suppression of "real" women. If he goes a little too far in his indictment of the homosexual dominated fashion industry, at least he does it without overt hate... It almost sounds like he's trying to do something positive for women.
Then you see the photos of "attractive" women that he has on the site. The similarities between the women are more than uncanny, they point to an almost pathological obsession with a certain set of feminine traits. The size of the eyes (proportionally large), and mouth, the shape of the nose (small and upturned), the size and fullness of the lips. The age seems to be between 18 and 25. The major difference among the women is in eye and hair color. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Doubtless, the women chosen are all attractive. But there is also a "Stepford" quality to the whole section which is unnerving. Take a look at the photographs, you'll see what I mean.
Obviously, the author of this site is an extremely intelligent man, with an appreciation of women. It is also pretty obvious to me that there are some obsessions at play. What we have here is not quite an objective study of feminine beauty. What we have is a site (more like a shrine) dedicated to the particular type of woman who "does it" for the author. That's more than fine. It's his site. What is a might more insidious is that he tries to flesh it all out with some science, some pseudoscience, and some propaganda. We almost escaped this in the 1940's. On the more benign side, this site reminds me of the pronouncements of Max Factor, when in 1940 he measured and presented the All-American face of Mary Parker, a "perfectly proportioned" blonde who represented perfection. Worldwide, there were less benign effects of the "science" of perfection, as well.
Frankly, I'd like this site better if it were a plain old porn site. At least it would be honest in it's intentions. An attempt to justify one's own personal preferences (which by the way, need no justification) through the use of science is eerily reminiscent of darker times, and in the end may be more destructive than the fashion industry. The fashion industry is actually broader than the ideals of this site, and employs models of all shapes, sizes, and colors. Moreover, it changes throughout time. Looking at the pictures displayed here, I'd actually feel safer throwing my lot in with Lagerfelds and Versaces of the world. I might actually find a place for myself amidst the mayhem. I could say more, but it's late and I'm tired. In a word, like what you like, but your personal standards aren't the gold standard, and if you're trying to help women, we may be better off without it.

Girls are bitches. Ekaterian is beautiful. All woman are beautiful if they choose to be. The creater of this thread is a jealous whore though, for creating a hate-thread against how "ugly" you think a girl is. You are probably ugly yourself. Even if you're pretty on the outside, your personality is the shits. Fuck you and everyone like you.

You should honestly stop acting like you know everything. It doesn't make you look very intelligent. I don't tolerate my issues being discussed on the internet without my permission. I'm not disturbed by the fact that everyone is judging me by my looks, that's the modeling industry..It's the fact that my issues have been taken to a whole new level where I never wanted them to be.

Hearing the truth about one's mediocrity is never fun, but you asked for opinions and now you have them, both on that site and here. By the way, if you google her name this page appears right away. lol No wonder she tries to censure our discussion. Honey, this is not communist Russia.

Since you think we must ask your permission before talking about you it must be a relief to know that there most likely will not be much attention coming your way. For a "model", and I use the term lightly, you have a lousy attitude. You just come across as someone afraid of negative critique.

Ekaterina: I am the person who posted the article on you that people have been commenting on. Please accept my apologies for anything here that offends you. A lot of it has nothing to do with your looks. My intention has not been to disparage your looks. I would pick you for fashion modeling any day over the models typically picked by the fashion industry.

Your case study serves as a good illustration of the nature of the fashion world: it considers a fresh, attractive 18-year-old woman with a healthy body weight as overweight and bordering the ‘too old’ to start modeling clothes to adult women! Why? The politically incorrect reasons have been described in sufficient detail within this site, and these are not facts you can officially acknowledge, let alone complain about, or else you will lose whatever modeling gigs you have secured. Important advice: feel free to talk about these politically incorrect facts at various discussion boards and blogs using a pseudonym but not your real name.

You should let those of us not seeking employment within the fashion world talk about these politically incorrect matters. Had you been short, obese, middle-aged, or something similar, I could not have used your example, but your looks serve well, when placed in context, to indict fashion industry homosexuals, and if you know of others like you, feel free to forward their details to me. Alternative fashion industries await.

That apology doesn't include me. There is no reason to apologize to this person. She has a bad attitude, trying to prevent free speech on a subject SHE herself brought up, just because things are not going her way. A good model doesn't need to act like that, obviously, since her work and pictures speak for themselves.

Trying to prevent people from talking is usually done because you fear what they have to say.

On the issue of weight, I am very much opposed to the anorexic model look, and those who have read my comments on that issue knows this. However, in order to work as a model you HAVE to have the looks for it. She does not have the looks for it according to professional photographers who answered her question on the site where she asked for opinions.

An unattractive model who is not anorexic is not a substitute for a good-looking anorexic model. The good-looking model, if not masculine, could gain weight and become outstandingly gorgeous. That is the way to go. Sub-standard models who are not even pretty is not the answer, unless you talk about the "Lolly Pop fashion show" Ekaterina participated in, and similar things.

Ekaterina,
Please ignore Emily...for "obvious" reasons. I think you have a unique and different look. Also i really like your body!

People here are soooooo confused! One minute they say they don't "like" masculine models and then they post pictures of them?
Emily why don't you post pictures of your beauty from multiple angles? unless there is something to "hide"? Since when did Ekaterina's face (which is pretty) come into the Q? Isn't modeling about the body? and Ekaterina has a nice non aneorexic body which you have said you "prefer"? Wow you are totally confused!
So you would rather have an aneorexic / masculine good looking model than a healthy looking and feminine model like Ekaterina? way to contradict yourself!

And who made you the judge here??? This isn't a beauty contest! Who cares about the face if she is interested in modeling. Give credit where it is due, and please do go out of the house and get some sunlight sometimes lol

"Ekaterina,
Please ignore Emily...for "obvious" reasons. I think you have a unique and different look. Also i really like your body!"

She may ignore me, but not professional fashion photographers who have said the same thing.

"Since when did Ekaterina's face (which is pretty) come into the Q? Isn't modeling about the body? and Ekaterina has"

No, it is a question of the entire appearance, obviously, body and face.

"a nice non aneorexic body which you have said you "prefer"? Wow you are totally confused!"

Nice body? Nice does not cut it. However, her body is much better than her face, which totally ruins it for her.

"So you would rather have an aneorexic / masculine good looking model than a healthy looking and feminine model like Ekaterina? way to contradict yourself!"

Straw man alert. Do not make false arguments and attribute them to me.

A good-looking anorexic model, who is NOT masculine, could become an outstandingly gorgeous model if she put on weight. That's what I said. And quit trolling for god's sake! I like healthy, slim models who are good-looking and not masculine.

By the way, I don't think her face is feminine. I think it is too robust.

You can't just say that because someone has a normal weight she must be able to model. It obviously takes more than that. Ekaterina is not good-looking enough, and thin or not thin doesn't matter. It won't change that fact.

A model who doesn't have the face doesn't have the face. Weight, however, usually can be lost or gained.

"And who made you the judge here???"

And who made you the judge here???

You have your opinion and I have mine. For Indians she is probably a knock-out, so everything is relative.

Here is a picture of an Indian "model" participating at the same event as Ekaterina.

First of all My sweetie...one look at the "beautiful" model's pic you posted shows someone with a "strong jaw" and square chin or did you turn a blind eye to that one? Off course i can't tell by looking at one pic...thats why i asked you to post pics from multiple angles so i can "judge" better. You obviously ignored that comment/request and HOW THE HELL did you manage to through in the picture of the Indian model???? straw man alert indeed!

The face of the model you posted seems to be robust and posting a picture of her posing with an ASIAN MALE is not going to change that.
Where Ekaterina's is concerned...her face shows someone with a gracile jaw and rounded chin (don't you agree?) and my pumpkin pie...there are more pictures of her from different angles to prove this.
For what its worth even the Indian model has a gracile jaw and rounded chin compared to your beautiful model!!!

"A good-looking anorexic model, who is NOT masculine, could become an outstandingly gorgeous model if she put on weight. That's what I said. And quit trolling for god's sake! I like healthy, slim models who are good-looking and not masculine."

Have a second look at the jaw/chin of your model and answer who has a more masculine jaw/chin area? yeah... thought so....your statements about not liking masculine models are quite credible.

ALSO just for your info sweet heart a model's face is secondary!!!! You are soooooo misinformed. She (Ekaterina) wants to become a fashion model, and that is the context in which Erik posted this entry. She is not becoming a cosmetic model such as L'oreal, lipstick etc...
The emphasis is on the body. Are you seriously telling me that the wierd make up and head gear some models have to wear is to make their face look more attractive???? wrong!
Its all about the body and how clothes fit on them. Now if she was wanting to become a cosmetic line model....masacara, tooth paste, lipstick, creams etc...then her face would be of focus.

* I meant to say throw in the picture of the Indian model
Also Emily claims she doesn't "personally" attack people. So what was the purpose of the Indian model's pic? I did not mention anything related to Indian or make any comparison. Could it be that i am Indian and you wanted to "show" how Indians are "unattractive" maybe?
nice try but its a FAIL with a long F sound lol

I have no idea who the real model is. Maybe someone else here recognizes her. That's the only photo I found of her in that set of photos and her name was not on it. I would gladly have posted more pictures of her, and unlike Indians and Asians in general most white people look good in profile shots (well, unless you have a Slavic face type and hooked nose like Ekaterina).

How on earth is a picture of an Indian model a personal attack on you? Seriously, you seem to me to be disturbed or just an attention-seeker. She was at the same event as Ekaterina, and it was relevant to show her since I made the claim that to Indians Ekaterina might be good-looking since most Indian women look bad. Everything is relative.

Emily,
You really don't "personally attack" people huh?
"Seriously, you seem to me to be disturbed or just an attention-seeker."

"and unlike Indians and Asians in general most white people look good in profile shots (well, unless you have a Slavic face type and hooked nose like Ekaterina)."

Unlike you Emily, i "talk the talk and walk the walk". I don't have a "hooked" nose or a Slavic type face. I am North West Indian and even though i am dark skinned my facial features are closer to Europeans than to East Asians or Africans.
If by your definition a hooked nose makes profiles of Indians look bad...then i must look good? by that definition. So yes i don't have a hook nose but i still find Ekaterina's face (hooked nose or not) pretty. I never said i find her Gorgeous or stunning.

Now before you start calling me Ugly, dark etc etc I only posted my pics to show you that i do not have a "hooked nose". At least i am "brave" enough to do that. Can we say the same for Your highness Emily?

Ekaterina is attractive. She is also 100x more attractive then the models in those fashion or swimsuit magazines. The hooked nose does little to detract from attractiveness. If you have one bad feature, but the rest are nice and feminine, that one bad feature will do very little to the "big picture". Ekaterina has a really nice body. Hourglass figure and feminine.

I never really cared if your face is slavic or nordic or whatever. As long as your face looks good, it doesn't matter. Ekaterina's face looks good.

What is the point of posting snapshots of me? I'm either mid-sentence or in the middle of doing something. Most people don't look attractive in those. And you happen to nitpick through the entire album and find the most unattractive images of me just to prove your worthless point. I also suspect that you wouldn't look too great in snapshots either. It rare to look good in those.
Just for the record, my nose isn't an issue. I used to hate it but I have learned to love it. It's unique and gives me my own look. I look European because of it.
About this whole situation - Erik, I accept your apology. I would also like to add that the thread I made about agencies was posted a while back. I was feeling low and wanted some critique to motivate me. Time has passed and I have given up on agencies because they are a waste of time in my case.
As for my attitude..you got me all wrong, Emily. I am completely confident in myself and I welcome critique. You learn from it. Although considering opinions of people such as yourself, who enjoy spewing negativity at others to make themselves feel better, I disregard. Everyone has different views on certain aspects. Some people may hire me while others won't. I know I don't have a marketable look, nor do I have the height to be a fashion model, but that doesn't stop me from doing what I want. I honestly don't understand why you care so much about my life and my career choices. You don't even know me. I'm not trying to pursue a modeling career, I only model in my free time. You're a joke on a stick, Emily. Thanks for your concern. LOL.

Thank you for calling me a joke. In light of your recent pictures here I think that is pretty much the pot calling the kettle black. Posing in cheap lingerie at the LollyPop show, yes, that is very classy and stylish. I see your career is really taking off..but in the wrong direction. lol

First of all, yes, it was classy. It was promotional modeling for a very expensive store that sells European lingerie. Don't assume things before you truly know what it's about.
I have already stated that I model for fun and only in my free time. I'm not making a career out of it. And you're saying it's wrong to model lingerie? Take Victoria Secret..you think that's wrong? Get that pole out of your ass, seriously. You're welcome for me calling you a joke. Glad you accept something about yourself.

Now don't get me wrong. Both girls are attractive in my opinion. They both have a lot going for them lookwise.

However, I feel the first one is more masculine, and following this website's terms Ekaterina wins simply because she looks more feminine. But, I have to say feminine or not the other girl IS attractive, and I'm sure any guy would want to date her as well.

Ekaterina also has an interesting look. She looks like a feminine Roman godess or something. Seriously, look at the depictions of Roman godesses. Or she looks like she has an angelic face. Soft and rounded with delicate features, and yes that is including her nose.

I never defined her looks in terms of masculine or feminine, now did I? She is an example of a real model who is pretty and attractive, and that's about it.

Ekaterina does not even look good. Come on, who are we kidding here? She looks like hundreds of thousands of Eastern European women. There is nothing "unique" or special about her (and the photographers, agencies and even some models told her so), and she does not look feminine to me at all.

Ekaterina's face is far too robust to be feminine, ands she has a weak chin which is not more feminine than having a clearly defined one. I repeat, a WEAK chin is NOT = feminine chin. Asians want to think that since they often have poor chins and often run to the plastic surgeon to get a more defined one.

Unlike the other model's chin, which is within normal size, Ekaterina's nose area and almost ball-round face shape ruin her whole face. The extra weight she put on recently ruins the definition around the cheek area, which look puffy like in Asians, as you can see if you compare her older and more recent pictures.

This is obviously a matter of personal taste but I think it is VERY safe to say that the men who prefer Ekaterina's face to the real model's face are very easily counted. I actually showed one guy the pictures and he laughed when he saw Eakerina's unattractive face, told me she looks terrible, and said that the model is very pretty.

Since she other woman is a model she is probably not extremely feminine, but in comparison to many others we have seen here she is not particularly masculine either, and she IS very pretty in that picture, unlike Ekaterina.

This is what happens if you work outside the protection of a reputable agency. You could be offered these kinds of assignments. Of course it is up to the person being offered them to accept or to refute them.

I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to imply that I am Asian. Let me clarify some things:
A) I am not Asian. I am 100% white, I am just not 100% Nordic.
B) I am not endorsing race mixing. I believe in letting nature take it's course. I currently have a WHITE boyfriend and I have dated all white men, because it seems only white men are attracted to me. I am guessing I am going to end up having kids with a white man.
C) I do have an underlying motive: I have many attractive friends of different ethnicities. I have Eastern European, Nordic, Southern European, Central European, Asian, Indian, Mexican, etc. friends. The list goes on! I just want to prove to you that Nordics aren't the MOST attractive. My one Asian friend looks like a beautiful doll, literally! She probably has one of the most feminine faces you will see, although I don't believe super-femininity is always as attractive as being really feminine but not super feminine.

It's interesting you claim Ekaterina's face is soo round. Look at the face shapes you post up of Nordic women. Very few actually have oval faces. Very very few. In fact the majority seem to have round faces, and pretty robust. The fact you call Ekaterina's face robust is a joke. It's soft and rounded and feminine. What you are calling robust, is that she has a bit of definition. If she didn't her face would look like a blob.

Now go back and look through your photos! I don't know where you are getting these and how well they represent Nordic women. Look at their face shapes... How many have oval faces? How many have round faces? How many have square faces? etc.

We will have to agree to disagree. For the record, I don't for a second believe that you are 100% white.

As for race mixing your attitude doesn't matter since only men who are hopeless and can't keep a Nordic girl will import an Asian woman. She is always a last choice for Scandinavian men, so the reality is that these men take what they can get, and an Asian woman is better than no woman at all. These men will race mix since that's their only option.

The pictures I have of Nordics are almost all of Swedes. Since I am Swedish I know my people very well, better than people who don't live here and try to be experts on something they don't see every day like I do.

There are several types of Swedes, and there are different face shapes. Some are less oval/long than others. They are not Slavic in type, though. A Swedish girl can have an oval face approaching a "roundish" face, without looking Slavic OR being robust, and actually many of them do have those types of faces.

And there are also non-Nordic girls who have oval/long faces but who still look Slavic. Try to understand that concept. There is a difference which you will see right away if you are truly white.

If you are not white you may have a harder time setting sub-races apart, obviously. My goal was to show normal and attractive, REPRESENTATIVE Swedish or Nordic women. Some may have less delicate faces than others. So what? That doesn't make Ekaterina's face less robust.

Generally speaking, Slavic women without the Nordic genes are much more robust and coarse than Nordics, and have less delicate features.

As for Ekaterina, she does have a robust and broad face by our standards, not by Asian or Indian standards, and an unattractive, robust nose area, very, very much NON-Nordic, which probably ruins her modeling career.

No one would ever mistake her for a Nordic woman here. She looks very much Slavic and in fact she is Russian. I won't go into this again since it was discussed before in this thread, and the subject is getting boring now, I think. If you like her looks, fine. Who cares. Obviously most people don't agree with you.

"For the record, I don't for a second believe that you are 100% white"

Ok Emily, I'm going to try to be as honest as I possibly can with you right now on this thread. Where my motivation lies, why my opinions are the way they are, my true ethnicity, exactly how I look etc.

Ok, so firstly my ethnicity: I was born in Romania in Satu Mare, Transylvania. The thing about Satu Mare is that it borders countries like the Ukraine and Hungary. However, I am not 100% Romanian, nor do I look Romanian. You see Romanians generally look like Slavicized Southern Europeans, such as Spanish and Italians. Romania has a long history of being taken over by the Ottoman Empire,Roman Empire (*most Romanians have a large % of Roman blood) and even the Mongolian Ghengis Khan may have been there. There is also a large percentage of gypsies (or ethnically Indian mixed with Caucasian). Now, I have no known Gypsy blood, and you can tell just by looking at my family. My father is from Romania, but he is an ethnic Schwab. This means basically that he is descended from a place called Swabia in Germany. I am not sure how these people are ethnically, however my German family have long faces, light skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes.

The way I look:

I think I often resemble what a Roman statue would look like. I have the "Roman nose" you often see on Roman statues. My eyes are hazel, my skin is light but can tan, and my hair is blonde. I am 5'3 1/2, I have an hour glass figure, large C cup breasts, small feet and hands. My face is rounded, but can be confused for oval. My bottom lip is thicker than my top. My eyes are very wide vertically giving me the wide-eyed look. I am very feminine from what I have read from this website. My best feature are my teeth and boobs lol! They are naturally a very white color and they have a nice shape...
My worst feature: My nose. Too Roman looking.

Blonde hair does run through my family and my extended family. Since we border the Ukraine and Hungary, I am sure there is a large percentage of that in our genes. I believe I got my light features (because Romanians are generally darker like most Southern Europeans) from my German side, probably some admixture from the Ukraine and Hungary as well. However, even Romania has a high percent of Germanic genes because the Celts, Goths, etc. were over there for a period.

So, now you know what I'm made of. Like it or not, it's me.
Now, I think I am attractive. I don't think I am the most beautiful woman in the world, but I wouldn't want to be anyways.

Why do I care soooo much about other ethnicities?

Well, like I have said before, I have a lot of friends that are different ethnicities. I honestly think they are attractive, even based on this sites standards. Even though this site is aimed towards caucasian women.

I just want to try to show you that YES, Nordic women are beautiful. No one in the world will argue that Nordic women are not among the most beautiful. But, I am trying to show you that a high percentage of attractive people CAN be found in other cultures too.

Also, race mixing is happening whether you like it or not. I try to find the good in it, because it's going to be there, period. I am generally attracted to white men. All the men I have dated have had either blue or green eyes, which confuses me because I have read somewhere that blue-eyed men are more attracted to blue-eyed women, and I believe it. However, my eyes are light, and so are my features. I do date attractive men. I am actually attracted to more dominant colors like brown eyes and brown hairs in males however.

Anyways, this is where I am coming from. As for your ideas that Slavic women in general have more robust features.

Yes, they probably do. Sorry I don't live in Romania anymore so I can't really tell. However, many don't. Now, I don't know if you are taking pics from the most attractive part of Sweden, however most of those women have more robust features than I have seen on Slavics in general. That is just my view on it, and I am trying to be unbiased. Those pictures you post do not resemble the Nordics I visualize, which I believe to be more attractive.

The woman you posted with the brunette to reddish hair in this pic has a more feminine round face than ANY of the Nordic women you posted with round faces. Also, look at the nose area, now look at the nose area of even the FIRSt woman you posted and compare.

I honestly consider myself beautiful in every way and there is absolutely nothing anybody can say to me to make me think otherwise. Stop being such a try-hard, Emily. You're getting absolutely nowhere. And I bet your friend who said I looked terrible would be lucky enough if I was ever to even speak to him. Hey, I have an idea Emily! How about you post pictures of yourself and then we can pick your face apart? And after that, you can dare to tell me I'm unattractive. Swallow your pride.
Either way, this is completely ridiculous and pointless. I suggest we end all of this nonsense altogether.

I will take your self-serving self-description with a HUGE grain of salt. After all, it was YOU who called blondes with fair skin "washed out". VERY strange description if you belong to that group yourself, to say the least.

Dark brown hair, probably bottle-blonde, round, broad and coarse face, large hooked nose and tan skin. That's the truth in the mirror for you. No way you are a natural blonde. All your attacks on Nordics and blondes here make anyone see that you have a deep envy towards them.

NO natural blonde on earth would describe Nordics as "washed out". You are a liar. I'm sorry to have to say this but you are a liar.

As for the women in the picture they are very much Slavic with heavy features, so of course you will prefer these coarse and robust women to Nordics. There is nothing delicate and refined about these two, and there is nothing delicate and refined about you, either.

Suddenly your attack on Northern European "washed out" women makes so much more sense! Envy..? No, not at all, surely totally unbiased..cough, cough.

Finally, OF COURSE you like race mixing. After all, gypsies and other similar swarthy ethnicities with hooked noses in that part of Europe have everything to gain from it, don't they.

Interesting, it says on Wikipedia that gypsies have Hindu origin.

The problem is that WE blonde, washed out, Northern Eurpeans don't have anything to gain. We stand to lose a lot, however. Our "washed out" hair colors that WE like very much, gorgeous blue, green and grey eye colors and light, creamy skin, for example.

LOL Emily your a joke!
The last girl with the pig tails has blue eyes, the boy above her green and the girl above with grey/green (like Aishwariya). Where did i say all or even the majority of Indians have light eyes?
I am just "challenging" your monopoly on Nordics only having all those "gorgeous" eye colors.

I don't understand why you stick to such stupid things as hair and eye colors??? really?
Do you ever hear me going around and saying that NO other type of people (maybe except Latinos...who are recent) have a huge diversity of skin colors. In India you can find people with black, dark brown, medium brown, light brown and white skin. Should i be proud of this diversity and rub it in people's faces? Who decides eye color or hair color is more "beautiful" than skin colors? After all skin is the largest "organ" on the body and a ready indicator of health.
What do you say to that my Dear Emily
I could easily post pictures of tons of Indians (i mean many) with naturally light eyes....but then where would we be?
Here i am posting blue eyes enjoy!

1.A Sikh...North West Indian soldier.............blue eyes or yellowish brown?

2. North West Indian woman.....blue eyes or yellowish brown?

3. The sister of the girl with pigtails i posted above.....blue eyes or yellowish brown?

4. An Indian man with blue eyes and his grand son also with blue eyes

Is that enough or you want more? There are many many Indians with light eyes!

I was assuming you could tell the difference between real and "fake" eyes but you can't. So you agreed some of them are real?
None of the pics i used are fake....ever heard of people saying he/she has got cat's eyes? apparently not! And please girlfriend look closely, the last pic is certainly not fake! oh so you want close ups? sure we can arrange that :)

Ok Eimly for a moment lets believe 99% of Indians have dark brown eyes....which means 1% of 1.15 billion people don't. What is the population of Sweden? less than 10 million....YOU DO THE MATH HAHAHA....meaning there are more people with light eyes in India than Sweden! hahaha
ohhh Emily such a pity....you must be boiling with rage right now :)
love you!

#1) I am not a washed out blonde. I do not have pig pink skin and eyelashes and eyebrows that match my skin. I have darker blonde hair (was platinum only as a kid), and I have darker hazel eyes. I am probably as attractive a blonde you can be because I have visible eyelashes and eyebrows WITH blonde hair whore.

I fuckin said I WASN'T a Gypsy. I am 100% white cow.

Now fuck off. You don't know me. I hate ignorant people.

I look very German actually, so much so everyone thinks I am 100% American when I go to Romania. They dont' believe I am Romanian.

I don't have tan skin either. I just don't have Scandinavian pig skin thats all.

I CAN tan, something you people in Scandinavia pay tons of money every year to do. You look like plastic tan cows.

and yes I hate the washed out look, and I WISH I was brunette, but I look sick if I go darker than my natural color.

Emily,

You I was 100% honest with you. You piss me off so much. Bitch, one day you are going to get your nose broken by a fist. Then you'll have that "hooked" nose you fuckin despise so much. I'm going to laugh.

I am seriously never coming back on here. It's useless to argue with someone whose only arguments are to claim someone is not white or jealous.

I am sorry but I can only have conversations with someone of a certain brain capacity, and Emily you have a below-average brain capacity and little understanding of simple concepts so I am going to have to end this for good. You are an absolute waste of my time and a disgrace to your society. God bless those poor Swedes who know you. I didn't mean those insults towards them, but holy shit I hate stupid people.

I am sorry I was being so hateful. I am just angry because I was 100% honest with you and you just dismiss my testimony of who I am as if it meant nothing. Then you go trying to tell me how I look and what is wrong with me.

I just don't believe that it is worth fighting with someone like you. You will believe only what you see with your own eyes. I am sorry but you are going to be in for a rude awakening.

I don't believe this website or you Emily are worth any stress or too much time. So I apologize for my barbaric behavior.

The point of the video is to show that people can be portrayed in any manner. The Swedes were portrayed in a horrible way not by other ethnicities who are "jealous" but by their own: Nordics. The Germans are obviously Nordics, however it is evident they don't think so highly of their fellow Swedes.

The problem when you lie is that the story usually ends up full of inconsistencies. You are not blonde and German-looking at all. Those who are don't trash Nordics. Who are you trying to fool? That is what you want to look like, though. By the way, you are so for race mixing, all kinds of ethnicities (except Nordics/Germanics, which you hate, but resemble...cough, cough) and so open-minded, and yet you threw a fit over the gypsy comparison, so I guess we see some *gasp* racism here. When it comes down to it you desperately wants us to know that you look nothing like the Slavs and gypsies of your home region. Haha.

You are ethnically Slavic with a short body, round, broad face, a hooked nose and brown eyes, and that's it.

You identify with the coarse and robust Slavs with round faces and hooked noses since that is what you look like. You might very well be little gypsy since you said yourself you have "no KNOWN gypsy blood". Who on earth says something like that if they are a German-looking person?

I would never dream of saying I have no "known" gypsy blood since there is no doubt. It tells us that you suspect some kind of ethnic kinship with them. Why would you suspect that if there is no visual similarity at all?

You also clearly root for people who are NOT Nordic in type, calling Nordics "pig colored" and washed-out, and me you call "cow" and "whore". What gutter did you crawl up from?

Each and every time you have "argued" with me it is to say something negative about Nordics and something positive about Asians, Slavs or Southern Europeans, at the expence of the ones you say you most closely resemble, Nordics/Germanics...EACH and EVERY time! You are a liar, and a nasty and malicious one at that.

In real life I wouldn't have given you even a moment of my time.

A round-faced, brown-eyed person with a hooked nose will look at home in Romania - not in Germany. Fool. Hair color doesn't matter since half of you have yellow-t(a)inted hair anyway, in an attempt to look like those you LOVE to put down.

Romanian "blonde".

You have shown your immence ignorance in describing Scandinavians. You have no idea what you are talking about and it makes one wonder if you are even white. Most Scandinavians tan easily and well, so don't confuse us with the British, and so do most Germans. There are exceptions to this and they need to stay out of the sun. They have a unique beauty of their own, though, and the porcelain white and raspberry color of their skin and red hair can be very pretty.

These are KNOWN Swedish actresses;

And again, typical Swedes;

"I fuckin said I WASN'T a Gypsy. I am 100% white cow."

This type of thing, along with the rest of your nonsense here really makes you seem so white..
Besides, why is that so important? You love all races (except Nordics/Germans) and race mixing, so why bother defending that so hard? To me you seem more gypsy than ever after these rantings. lol

"I look very German actually, so much so everyone thinks I am 100% American when I go to Romania. They dont' believe I am Romanian."

"Romanians generally look like Slavicized Southern Europeans, such as Spanish and Italians."

Try telling them that..that they are "slavicized". lol Romanians "generally" don't look anything like the Italians and Spanish. Give me a break. I have lived in Italy and I know what they look like.

"I am not a washed out blonde."

No, that is very true...

"But, I am trying to show you that a high percentage of attractive people CAN be found in other cultures too."

Very beautful peope can be found in all countries and regions. A high precentage of them..no, not in most parts of the world, not in relation to the size of their populations. Scandinavia does take the top spot there and will do so in the future, unless the Asians ruin our gene pool.

"Those pictures you post do not resemble the Nordics I visualize, which I believe to be more attractive."

lol

Well, it's good for the world that we have the attractive Romanians, then, instead of the washed out Scandinavians who no men could possibly admire..

Ultimately it doesn't matter what you look like. It's just that envy and malice really bother me.

I just looked at the video you put up and it is hilarious. I have seen it several times before and I laugh every time because it truly is very, very funny. So there you go..sorry to disappoint you. lol

Emily,
There is nothing wrong with having a hooked nose or dark brown eyes....Please don't "rub" it in people's faces. I felt the same way as Godis when you kept insisting "all Indians" have hooked noses and only models/actors may look good. Thats why i posted my pic for you to show that i don't have a hooked nose and by many people i am considered good looking and especially Nordic people find me very attractive. I also happen to be what you call a "typical" Indian and not a "rare" one.
Regarding eye color diversity ... the statistic is closer to 5% of Indian people having light eyes - blue, green, hazel etc.
I have posted many pics ... of different people and the best you could do is say they are fake or photo shopped. Denialism anyone? Come one girl...most of those people look too poor to afford contact lenses or professional photography!

You think you know a lot about what Indians look like? Have you ever been there? Don't judge by what you see in photos on the web. Actors you see in Bollywood are a good representation of North Indian/high caste equivalents.

I really hate when you keep posting "unflattering" pics of Eastern Europeans.....You should think twice. European population as a whole is much lower than the rest of the world....why not unity? Why are you putting down other Europeans? Lets say for example Scandanavians lose their "genes" by inter mixing with Asians...where will one go next to find blonds? rest of Europe.

I have a straight nose, oval face, "refined" features and am 6 feet tall....So in other words my "phenotype" is more preferable to the Eastern European "phenotypes" you mentioned? off course not.
Please be nice....at least when it comes to groups of people.

Again I know many Nordics who don't like themselves for many reasons....some say they wish they were darker, marry/mate with blacks etc...
So don't think all Nordic share your "Nordic unity" idea. How is your word more trust worthy than Godis's? Don't make assumptions.....you make too many!
Have a good day

If I were ethnically a gypsy I would have no problem with it since often times Gypsies can be extremely attractive. My fit was thrown over your arrogance. You really believe you have me all figured out. Please Emily. I told you I was 100% honest. I am done, and you can kiss my round ass because I don't give a damn how you think I look. I know what I look like and I know who I am.

Why do you think the video is so funny? The rest of Sweden didn't. They banned it.

However, there are differences. My eyes aren't really that color. They are a darker green. My hair is a bit darker. My face shape is strikingly similair, my lips are a bit different, my nose is a bit different, my ears are really similair. But, there are many similarities.

I do look very "Hungarian" and believe this girl does as well. I have to question whether this girl is even Swedish as she looks more similar to German or Hungarian?

1) It's useless. You believe what you want to believe and you wouldn't believe the truth if someone slapped it in your face.
2) Your arguments bore me. The "you're just jealous and you are another ethnicity/race and you're a liar" argument is lame and boring.

It's similar to that girls but it is more Romanesque, meaning the bridge is a tiny bit higher, but that's about it. No its not hooked. Not that I am 100% sure what your "hooked" nose looks like anyways. As for Ekaterina's nose, its not really a big deal. I am sure most guys don't mind, besides she is more feminine than women with a straight nose that are masculine so...

My nose looks like that. But it's not quite as long. My face kind of resembles the statue as well. I would say my face is between the pic of the girls I posted, and the Roman's statues. The eyes shape and face shape closer to the girls. My lower lip is similar to hers but my top lip is smaller. My nose is in between the statues and the pics.

I'm not going to lie I like the way I look. I used to hate having a childish face like that because people always thought I was 16,17,18 as opposed to 20. Now though I am beginning to realize its just feminine not childish.

Emily,
There is nothing wrong with having a hooked nose or dark brown eyes....Please don't "rub" it in people's faces. I felt the same way as Godis when you kept insisting "all Indians" have hooked noses and only models/actors may look good. Thats why i posted my pic for you to show that i don't have a hooked nose and by many people i am considered good looking and especially Nordic people find me very attractive. I also happen to be what you call a "typical" Indian and not a "rare" one.
Regarding eye color diversity ... the statistic is closer to 5% of Indian people having light eyes - blue, green, hazel etc.
I have posted many pics ... of different people and the best you could do is say they are fake or photo shopped. Denialism anyone? Come one girl...most of those people look too poor to afford contact lenses or professional photography!

You think you know a lot about what Indians look like? Have you ever been there? Don't judge by what you see in photos on the web. Actors you see in Bollywood are a good representation of North Indian/high caste equivalents.

I really hate when you keep posting "unflattering" pics of Eastern Europeans.....You should think twice. European population as a whole is much lower than the rest of the world....why not unity? Why are you putting down other Europeans? Lets say for example Scandanavians lose their "genes" by inter mixing with Asians...where will one go next to find blonds? rest of Europe.

I have a straight nose, oval face, "refined" features and am 6 feet tall....So in other words my "phenotype" is more preferable to the Eastern European "phenotypes" you mentioned? off course not.
Please be nice....at least when it comes to groups of people.

Again I know many Nordics who don't like themselves for many reasons....some say they wish they were darker, marry/mate with blacks etc...
So don't think all Nordic share your "Nordic unity" idea. How is your word more trust worthy than Godis's? Don't make assumptions.....you make too many!
Have a good day

You have shown your immence ignorance in describing Scandinavians. You have no idea what you are talking about and it makes one wonder if you are even white. Most Scandinavians tan easily and well, so don't confuse us with the British, and so do most Germans.

Very few people would be aware that Scands "tan easily and well." Do you have some pics of tanned Scands you could share with us? (To forestall the likely: yes, yes it's just part of my nefarious plot -- I'll tell them how could good they look so that they proceed to mix themselves with "darkies.")

There are exceptions to this and they need to stay out of the sun. They have a unique beauty of their own, though, and the porcelain white and raspberry color of their skin and red hair can be very pretty.

Hmm, occasionally, yeah, if the person is good-looking. But then they're good-looking despite those, well, when you get to it, "flaws" (sneer quotes because I'm not as nasty as you). Otherwise, I don't think Edgar J. Steele ever inspired too much envy. That said, though, I hold that it's completely possible, perhaps even likely, to be genuinely fond of such features if you belong to his race.

I just looked at the video you put up and it is hilarious. I have seen it several times before and I laugh every time because it truly is very, very funny. So there you go..sorry to disappoint you. lol

Is there some inside cultural joke to it? Otherwise I don't get it. I found it neither funny nor "offensive" and I doubt it was filmed with the intention of being the latter.

One more question for you, does that Swedish model in the red dress sitting on the bed have a name? To nitpick, her head seems just a tad big for body, but otherwise she's breathtaking.

I don't like her skin toe. Nor do I like her bone structure. I'm sorry I just don't find her attractive.

This is what I mean by washed out, people this blonde look washed out. They seem to have no eyebrows or eyelashes. My hair was not this color when I was younger either, it was an ash blonde that was so light it looked white. This is just Scandinavian platinum blonde and in my opinion it is not as attractive.

The girl herself however has feminine bone structure and it is less robust than the photos of the women you post up.

However, even darker blondes can look washed out. I look washed out sometimes but I always have a healthy tan and glow, I also wear mascara everyday so I don't look washed out. However, even without mascara my hair is dark enough to have well defined lashes and eyebrows that are nice. It doesn't take a lot of pigment to have this.

She has darker eyebrows, even though her hair is very light. She does have the pink skin I don't find particularly attractive, however it doesn't matter because although she is making a strange face she has feminine and soft bone structure. Her bone structure is not as robust as the photos of the women you post, and she is closer to my idea of what an attractive Scandinavian looks like.

I have a sense of humor, godis troll, and that's why I can laugh at this video. I can however understand why it wouldn't be appropriate to use it as a commercial, just as it would be improper to make a cartoon about Germans and show it to Swedes. Why would you do that unless you have to? There is no point for IKEA in looking unkind or vulgar.

And "Sweden" didn't ban it. Swedish IKEA did. Maybe you are as ignorant when it comes to this as you are being ignorant on issues pertaining to Nordics in general, looks included. IKEA is owned by Swedish Ingvar Kamprad and is one of the largest privately owned companies in the world, and he is one of the riches men in the world.

IKEA Germany is fairly independent when it comes to many issues and this piece of film, which is very funny but not appropriate as a commercial for IKEA, was made without the ruling Swedish division's knowledge or concent. The bosses, when they saw it, apparently judged it to be inappropriate, and it is since it can be seen as a cartoon, and cartoons can be offensive. This one does have elements, obviously, that are offensive and vulgar to some, so they obviously thought it wise not to hurt or offend people.

What makes it funny is that you are trolling here and posting this link in an attempt to hurt me and Swedes who you say you "like". You are a liar and a troll, as usual. However, I saw this one several times before and I happen to find it hilarious. It is too ridiculous to be taken seriously, but I can understand that for example older people would be offended by it, so it wasn't appropriate as a commercial.

As for German-Swedish relations they are more than excellent, so don't you worry about that. lol

I have posted many pictures of tanned Nordics, so that's not my intention to do that again. Those who are interested can look at pictures of Nordic girls that I have posted here and elsewhere on this site, in order to get an idea what they look like. Another good idea would be to actually visit our countries instead of posting ignorant remarks about us. No offense. :)

There is nothing wrong with having a hooked nose or dark brown eyes....Please don't "rub" it in people's faces."

No one is saying there is anything "wrong", but it is oftentimes not something that improves your looks, and in many cases, as in Ekaterina's, it ruins the looks. Personally, I think the more robust and coarse Slavic women and Indian women have noses that are bordering and sometimes crossing the line of being ugly.

Rai is an example where it doesn't offend, and her nose is smaller, too. Would she have looked better with a straight nose? It's hard to tell. Most people benefit from a straight nose, I think, and it is a commonly performed plastic surgery operation.

I looked at pictures of Romanian women yesterdeay and I must say that they are very unattractive for the most part, so I see why someone with envy in their hearts would be trolling here, like godis, since Nordics are so much better looking it is laughable. Most of them are dark-haired and have more or less hooked noses and coarse appearances with very round and broad faces. In other words, they don't look like Roman statues but like very Slavic and coarse women. lol

As for brown eyes I am doubting anyone who claims to be a natural blonde when she has "darker hazel eyes" and is from Romania. Everything about her story was ludicrous.

As for godis.. do NOT use a photo of a Swedish girl, trying to say you look like her. You do NOT look like her unless you prove it to us. Use your roman statues that you say you resemble.

And yes, she is Swedish. I put great pride in using Scandinavians, only. In fact, I have been far too strict in that. I could use German, British and Dutch Nordic girls, for example, too.

I think you are just mad because I make good points. My point with the video was:
a) I was angry and getting tired of your idiotic arguments. You only have two: I am jealous or not white.
b) I wanted to show you how anyone can be portrayed negativley. Just as you portray other cultures besides Nordic cultures negativley

Another good point I make is how the photos you post are Ok, but they aren't great representations of what attractive Nordic people look like. Are the people in your photos attractive? Yes, but they are not especially feminine or refined. This site deals with femininity. The women in your photos often have very robust features. Some don't but many do. I think you need to find better photos of Nordic people. There are much more attractive Nordic people out there than that. All your photos represent is a group of well groomed individuals. Their bone structure however is nothing special and not particularly feminine.

Your statements:

Try telling them that..that they are "slavicized". lol Romanians "generally" don't look anything like the Italians and Spanish. Give me a break. I have lived in Italy and I know what they look like.

So you have lived in Italy? But have you lived in Romania? No. You don't know what they look like. Romanians are SouthEastern European. So naturally they look Southern European, however yes they are Slavicized just as they were Hellenized and all that jazz. A lot went down in Romania. That is why it has a lot of diversity, but overall the population resembles Italians with slightly different bone structure as obviously it is more Slavic looking.

Very beautful people can be found in all countries and regions. A high precentage of them..no, not in most parts of the world, not in relation to the size of their populations. Scandinavia does take the top spot there and will do so in the future, unless the Asians ruin our gene pool.

LOL You act like the Asians are raping the white gene pool. You shouldn't worry about this, but obviously you are worried that your own kind would choose someone of another race over their own. No one is forcing Nordics to mate with Asians. What an idiotic idea you have here.

There are several types of Swedes, and there are different face shapes. Some are less oval/long than others. They are not Slavic in type, though. A Swedish girl can have an oval face approaching a "roundish" face, without looking Slavic OR being robust, and actually many of them do have those types of faces.

Really? That is surprising since you claim that all Nordic women have perfect little oval faces. lol Give me a break. Eastern European women have SUCH robust faces. Oh my! LOL Besides a face that tends to be a bit on the wider side is overall more feminine and attractive than a narrow face.

You are ethnically Slavic with a short body, round, broad face, a hooked nose and brown eyes, and that's it.

LoL Would it make you feel better if I were Emily? Here lets look at the truth:

You are ethnically Slavic: check
Short body: hmmm... well 5'31/2 is on the shorter side so check
round face: check
broad face: lol you wish
hooked nose: no *rolls eyes
brown eyes: lol hazel, or dark green w/e you want to call them
and that's it: Not really, you forgot something: I'm beautiful

lol

Besides Emily what's so bad about being short? My height is a very feminine one. A perk that comes with a small feminine and slender frame is small hands and feet. I can wear the cutest heels too!

I wonder how people in real life react when they hear you talking about how Asians are ruining your gene pool? You would fit right in over here in the U.S. down South in the trailer parks...

About being short Romania has their fair share of tall people. Miss Romania, while not particularly feminine, was very tall. Romanian has tall women, in between women, short women, feminine women and masculine women. Overall however women in Romania are of an average height. Not particularly tall or short. Although the trend is that they seem to be becoming taller, but this may just be the result of overall better nutrition as most Romanians used to and still do live on about $200 a month for a family of 5.

I think what you meant by short was stocky but lol one of my best features is my body, and I take care of it and take great pride in it so you can't even go there lol I have a classic hourglass figure, I am slender but I have fat in the right places. It's called being feminine. lol

Oh and Nikola Luciu does have natural breasts and you find breasts like these common in Romania actually. What I noticed particularly is that Romanian women often have large breasts with strong underlying tissue. This makes them perky and look rounder. That is how mine are and I have even been asked if they were fake before:)

I have posted many pictures of tanned Nordics, so that's not my intention to do that again. Those who are interested can look at pictures of Nordic girls that I have posted here and elsewhere on this site, in order to get an idea what they look like.

If you posted a series with the intention of demonstrating their tans could you post a link or the name of the thread? If they're dispersed among the many images you've linked to it won't answer my question to direct me to sift through them: I want to know what you consider an example of a tanned Scand.

Another good idea would be to actually visit our countries instead of posting ignorant remarks about us.

As an alternative to requesting a few pics? Er, I don't think so.

godis,

I think what you meant by short was stocky but lol one of my best features is my body, and I take care of it and take great pride in it so you can't even go there lol I have a classic hourglass figure, I am slender but I have fat in the right places. It's called being feminine. lol

Whatever you do, don't enter a beauty contest while Emily's on the prowl. ;)

Emily,
I don't understand why you and Erik have this thing with hooked noses??? I mean come on....
When Nordics look at a woman and she is beautiful do you ask her to turn her head sideways so you can see if she has a hooked nose or not? and if she does she is not pretty anymore? I really don't think a hooked nose matters personally...and i have a straight nose.
Do you think it will be difficult for me to find Nordics with hooked noses? NO!
Will Nordic men or women think that she is ugly? even though she has a hooked nose? yeah right!

Wow Emily you don't know your own people??? Genes for eye color and hair color are independent of one another. The vast majority of blue eyed people are not blonds! Also many Blonds don't have blue eyes.
I believe Godis when she says she has hazel eyes and darker blond hair. I have seen many people with a similar look. Now if you consider hazel eyes the same as dark brown eyes is another thing!

Yes Emily Darling only Nordics have "those beautiful" eye colors.....all these people must be definately fake and have "ugly" eyes in real life *rolls eyes*
*YAWN*

Pictures of beauty queens and models are hardly representative. Ordinary Romanians are not attractive, they are unattractive for the most part. Their looks are a matter of more or less unattractive. That is the zone in which they belong. There are always exceptions, of course. There are many Eastern European nations that have more beautiful women, sadly, for you.

I see you try to make a case for Rumaninan women and it is quite touching. Talking down Scandinavian women, or my pictures of them, makes you seem very envious and people here see it for what it is.

It would help if you stayed in your own league, so to speak. For example comparing them to Ukranians, Bulgarians or Turks. The most beautiful group of people there is would hardly benefit you for comparison purposes. Just a well-meaning piece of advise.

It is also ignorant that you believe Romanians look the way they do. Here are your misconceptions:

1) All Romanians have hooked noses, actually ALL Eastern Europeans have hooked noses. Um... not really. In fact I see just as many bumpy and hooked noses in Nordics. If you look at George Washington or Thomas Jefferson they all had hooked noses. Many Nordic women have large, high-bridged hooked or bumpy noses. It's funny if you never noticed that because I have. Some Eastern Europeans DO have hooked noses. I believe almost every race and sub-race has hooked noses. I have never seen a hooked nose on an Asian, but that is about it. In fact many British people have hooked noses... The funny thing is that Eastern European nose bridges are generally lower than Northern European who have very high defined nose bridges in general.

2) All Romanians have brown hair and brown eyes. Wrong. Romanians had a lot of Germanic influence in the gene pool from long long long ago. In fact Herodotus described "Romanians as having bright red hair". This was not uncommon a while ago since the Celts, Goths and tons of Nordic types of people invaded Romania. Romanians also have a great big pool of Roman genes. Yes, many Romanians can look Roman. Look, gasp the word Roman is in the word Romanian. OMG Gasp again, the Romanian language is the closest language to the original Latin language EVEN closer than Italian! OH MY! Just like all of Southern Europe the norm is that most Romanians have brown hair and brown eyes. However, move to the North and West of Romania bordering Hungary, Ukraine, etc. and you will find blondes with blue eyes, green eyes, etc. There is actually A LOT of diversity in Romania. It is very ignorant of you to believe that Romanians are so homogenous. Besides, I am technically half German. Why don't you look up Satu Mare Swabians and then you could figure out a little bit more about my Germanic influence ADDED on to general Germanic influence in Romanian genes. I have extended family that is not Swabian like me and they are still blonde. Even rarer: blonde hair and brown eyes. It looks pretty.

3) All Slavs have broad round coarse faces. Not true, and with better nutrition face shapes are changing and becoming less coarse. Not that most Slavs really had such coarse faces to begin with. Again, the ignorance is overwhelming. Having a softly rounded face with low cheekbones, that is wider is feminine, not coarse. What you post up is coarse and robust. Look at some of those pics. Tell me this is feminine and delicate and not coarse or robust:

Explain to me how Ekaterina's supposedly coarse and robust face compares to these. It doesn't because her face is not coarse or robust. The women's you post are. You just have this idea in your head so much so that you believe Slavs to be this way when they really are not.

It's hard to find photos of regular Romanian teens. It's not hard to find photos of Swedish teens who are obviously obsessed with posting photos of themselves everywhere. I would get you more attractive photos. Yes, Romanians that have a stable income and good nutrition are attractive if not generally more attractive than Nordics. I always tell my cousin who has warm brown eyes and beautiful ringlets of dark brown hair, and tan olive skin that I wouldn't mind giving up my lighter looks for hers because like I said sometimes blonde's look washed out. However, I don't live in lala land. I can admit sometimes I look washed out.

And if you are as ignorant as I think you are, you probably believe that ethnically Romans were very similar to Italians. Wrong. Romans were a great big mix of things, but they too had a lot of Nordic influence and so the Romans had Nordic genes. Caeser had curly blonde hair and blue eyes for example...

So yes, Romania and a lot of Eastern Europe has original German ancestry from invasions (Roman, Celts, Goths, etc.), and they also have neihboring countries with Germanic blood with which they mixed. Ukranians, Russians, Hungarians, etc. all obviously have Nordic genes and you can find many blue eyed blondes in any of those countries...

And yes I actually look very Hungarian or German. This is not surprising since
a) I am half German, particularly Prussian and Swabian
b) The part of Romania I am from is Satu Mare Transylvania was actually part of Hungary until Romania reclaimed it in the 1920s. A lot went on between the Hungarians and Romanians, even though they often do not like eacother over bickering over the land, that doesn't stop them from doing the dirty and producing little Hungarian-Romanian offspring...
c) Satu Mare Transylvania is in the North West of Romania, bordering Northern countries. keyword: North=light hair,skin and light eyes for environmental adaptive purposes...

It's hilarious that you seriously think I would lie about something so stupid as what color my skin, hair and eyes are. The hilarious thing is I even get little freckles on my nose when I am in the sun, and even when I have a tan the freckles are there. I used to hate them, but now I think they are cute.

She is ugly though lol but its interesting because I've noticed many women in Eastern Europe that have hooked noses seem to have more "Nordic" genes overall. This is not surprising since Nordic genes bring in a higher nose bridge, and kind of mess up the nose. I think I got away lucky, I think it was the Hungarianess because they don't have high nose bridges.

She is ugly though lol but its interesting because I've noticed many women in Eastern Europe that have hooked noses seem to have more "Nordic" genes overall. This is not surprising since Nordic genes bring in a higher nose bridge, and kind of mess up the nose. I think I got away lucky, I think it was the Hungarianess because they don't have high nose bridges.