There is nothing wrong in being confused, as long as you are curious and curiosity is a great virtue. You should worry when your mind becomes trapped in conviction and faith. Since truth is infinite, the search for truth is a never ending journey. You can never reach infinity.

As for miracles in the Quran, there are none. Muslims have come up with hundreds of miracles that they say prove the Quran is from God. They are wrong on both accounts. Firstly, their so called miracles are self-deceptions and products of false interpretations. Secondly, even if there were strange things in the Quran, they do not prove that this book is from God. It would prove that it is from Satan. Assuming Satan wanted to deceive people, what better way would he have than to produce a few tricks to fool the gullible?

Jesus warned his disciples, “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24). He repeated this warning in Matt. 24:11 “And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.” He must have thought this is important, so he reiterated again, ““Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.” (Mtt. 7:15)

If I claim to be a physician and you ask for proof, can I produce a rabbit out of my hat as proof? Of course not! The proof that I am a doctor is in whether I can cure people. So how can we know if someone claiming to be a prophet is telling the truth? Jesus said, “By their fruit you will recognize them.”(Matt. 7:16)

By their fruits! This is the only criterion he gave and one does not have to believe in Jesus, because this is the only criterion that makes sense. He did not say look at their miracles because he knew people can come with all sorts of tricks and deceive even the elect and he was right.

So, miracles can be either tricks or the work of Satan. In the case of Muhammad, it was neither because he performed no miracles. I have written an article titled “Did Muhammad Perform Miracles?” where I quote the Quran to show he confessed he could not do miracles. He claimed that the Quran is his only miracle. But there is no miracle in the Quran. That book is full of errors and absurdities. One friend of mine has found over 1000 mistakes in the Quran. 1000mistakes.com This is a massive site written for serious researchers. If you want a short list of the errors in the Quran, I have them here.

In this article, I have gone through all the claims that Zakir Naik makes to prove the Quran is miraculous and refuted them all. I published this article nine years ago and sent the link to Dr. Naik inviting him to respond. I am still waiting, but not holding my breath. No other Muslim came to defend his silly arguments either. I am offering $50,000 to any Muslim who can prove Islam is true. It is 11 years now and no takers.

If the only criterion to recognize a prophet is by their fruit, let us look at the fruits of Muhammad. He raided villages and towns, butchered unarmed men and took as slaves their wives and children. He then sold those hapless captives and raped the prettier girls among them. He told his followers to do the same. This is just a token of this man’s crimes. How can such a person be a prophet of God?

Then look at the actions of Muslims. Since 9/11 that the site thereligionofpeace.com is keeping records, there have been on average 4.5 terrorist attacks every day, all perpetrated by Muslims. The victims of these crimes are hundreds of thousands. But the total victims of Islam, since the time of Muhammad, exceed 280 million and this does not include Muslims who were killed in the hands of other Muslims in sectarian fights. This is the fruit of Islam. You shall know them by their fruit not by their tricks.

You must have seen magicians at work. They make extraordinary things and can really leave you dumbfounded. But they are honest to tell you it is all tricks. Muslims perform similar tricks with words and concepts. They can impress those who don’t know how these tricks work, but I have exposed all the tricks of Zakir Naik who is the best trickster Muslims have. I hope you find time to read this article and see how he performs his tricks. Once you know, you too will become an expert and will be able to expose Islamic trickery.

As for the video of this benighted person who thinks he saw seven heavens in his dream and since Muhammad spoke of seven heavens then Islam must be true, I have written an article on this subject, titled The Seven Layers of Heaven where I have shown that the concept of seven heavens predates Islam and has its root in paganism. Muhammad rehashed what he had heard. So if heavens are seven, it is a miracle of Pagans not of Muhammad who just plagiarized from them.

He argues that if someone like Hitler repents one minute before his death it would not be fair that he go to the same heaven that good people go. This only shows his ignorance of heaven. Heaven is not like what Catholics and Muslims believe. I have written an article on this subject titled, Should We Fear God? I explained why it is not consistent with the nature of God to punish people, but why all our actions and thoughts in this world will boomerang back to us and we will experience what we have done to others in our own soul. So Hitler has to feel the pains of millions of his victims before he is redeemed and Muhammad has to experience the suffering of billions of his victims before his redemption. God will not judge nor does he punish anyone. But there are laws in the other world just as there are laws in this world. In the next world we will live the experiences of those who we come in contact in this world. If we show kindness to others, we will experience that kindness and if we are cruel to them we will feel that cruelty. There is no judgement and there is no punishment. We just relive our life and the lives of people whom we interact with in this world. So if you make someone happy you will feel that happiness, in exact same proportion. If you hurt someone, you will feel that hurt. If you hurt millions, you have to feel all that pain and suffering. This law will take care of the justice without God judging anyone or punishing anyone and there is no need to build layers in heaven and hell. Everyone will go to the same place, feeling differently, just as in this world everyone lives on the same planet, while some are happy and others are miserable.

Using the same logic of this man who says it is unjust that all the believers go to the same place because their sins are of different magnitude, why then have only seven levels? Let us say someone kills one person and repents. As a believer he will go to heaven but as a killer he will stay in the lower heaven. But what about a serial killer who repents before his death? Will he also go to the same lower level of heaven? Wouldn’t that be injustice? And what about someone like Hitler? Assuming he repents, will he also go to the same lower heaven? I hope you see the absurdity of this man’s logic about the necessity of heaven having seven layers. Since no two person’s sins are equal, for God to be just he should have a heaven of infinite layers.

The truth is that there are no layers in heaven. But souls will have ranks.

Now, you say, but how do you know this if you haven’t been there? I haven’t been there but countless others have and they all tell the same story. Here is the story of a couple of them. I invite everyone to watch them.

There are more on Youtube. What these people say is nothing like what Muhammad said. The claims of Muhammad make no sense. If you believe in him you must believe that God is a cruel and a stupid fellow. On the other hand the stories of the people with near death experience make sense. That is the kind of afterlife I have no difficulty accepting. I accept that not only because it makes sense it is also compatible with the newest discoveries in science. I am working on an article that will address that topic.

Scientists are telling us that information is not lost. We are information. Everything can be broken down into bits. Every action and every thought that we have is indestructible. What happens to this information when we die? If it is indestructible where does it go? Those who experienced death and came back tell us a story that, not only is remarkable, it is also irrefutable.

The NDE is not a hallucination. Some of these people saw and heard their doctors and their relatives in the waiting room when they were completely unconscious in the operation room. They then reported what they saw and heard. This puzzled their doctors. They could not possible have seen or heard those things while they were unconscious and specially things that happened in other rooms. Try to explain this story through materialistic lens.

The concepts of an orgiastic heaven full of virgins for Muslim terrorists to bang and a hell made of fire for Mother Theresa and other non-Muslims, as described by Muhammad, is asinine. It is clear that he was an impostor and a liar. He was utterly ignorant of the spiritual realm. I will write more on that in future, but for now you can read this article. Why Muhammad Loves Me Most? where I briefly touch the subject.

If the dream of this man hearing lalalala is evidence that for the truth of Islam then the dream of all these Muslims seeing Jesus must also be evident that Islam is false. Unlike him, they did not hear just lalalala. They met Jesus who came to them and talked to them leaving no room for interpretation and guess work.

Dreams are not messages from the other world. They are messages from our subconscious mind. It is possible to dream our own future thoughts, feelings and events. This should not be taken as evidence that such dreams have been sent by God. We can even dream the thoughts of others. When I was a student in Italy, I met a girl on the street doing missionary work, who invited me to visit their church. I couldn’t understand Italian yet and sat there daydreaming. I saw the devotion of these people and my mind wandered thinking if someone entered the church forcing them, under the point of gun, to recant, will they recant to save their lives or will they give their lives for their faith. This was just a passing silly thought. We get millions of them every day. When I returned home, the woman from whom I had rented a room told me that the night before she had a dream seeing me entering a church and with a gunpoint forcing the believers to recant. She had dreamed my thoughts before I had them. How that was possible? Coincidence!? Not so! Quantum physics is beginning to find the answer to these puzzles.

We don’t understand dreams. If we can even dream the thoughts of others, then it is foolish to rely on dream as evidence of truth. And if you watch the videos I provided in this article, you will see that those who have had NDE say they could see the thoughts of other souls and the thought of living people.

Muhammad was a false prophet because of his poisonous fruits. That is the only infallible criterion we should use. Dreams and alleged miracles are not the correct criteria. They can be very misleading because it is easy for charlatans to conjure them. But you can’t be fooled by looking at the fruits of someone claiming to be a prophet.

God is love. The message of Muhammad is the message of hate. How God can send a message so evil to mankind?

Jul 28, 2013

Lewis replied with the following email

I read it! I have another question, though.. I’m not sure if there’s something wrong with me or what, but I get overly curious and look up things. It’s to the point where I can’t do anything else until I look stuff up. It’s very irritating. Do you have any idea what this might be?

In this long article I refute all 30 claims of Naik with ample evidence. Had you read that you’d have realized that Muslims lie to prove their religion. They lie to themselves first because they are so convinced that they want those lies to be true. They lie to others because they think they are doing them a service by converting them to Islam. Lying is an integral part of Islamic da’wa. It is an unspoken rule that is subliminally taught to every Muslim child and convert.

Take the example of the seven layers of heaven that you brought up. In my article I quoted Adnan Okhtai a.k.a Haroun Yahya who claims these 7 layers are physical layers of the atmosphere http://alisina.org/blog/2010/11/11/layers-of-heaven/ I showed he is wrong. This convert in your video says they are seven layers of the invisible heaven and hell. He bases his claim on his dream. Is this a scientific way to establish a fact? I also showed why it is illogical for God to have just seven layers of heaven and hell. Even the human justice that does not claim to be infallible is fairer. The ranges of penalties we have for criminals and offenders are extremely diverse. We don’t lump them in just seven categories. This idea that there are seven heavens and seven hells is stupid. It is up to you to decide whether the dreams of this man are false dreams or God is unfair and stupid. Which makes more sense to you?

Now that we have evidence that Muslims lie and they think it is a virtue to lie to make Islam dominant how much credence should we give to the claim that Muslims make about the water of Zamzam? What is the chance that they lie also in this case? Has any independent and reliable non-Muslim university or lab confirmed this claim?

The claim that the Zamzam water has good energy is not proven. Had it been true, Muslims who love to impress the world about the miraculous nature of their religion would have sent it to a lab (not influenced by Muslims) to analyze it independently and publish the result in a scientific journal. This would have given their religion a major boost. But they won’t do that because they know they are lying. Zamzam water has been tested and it is found to be extremely contaminated. Its sale is illegal in UK. It contains dangerous levels of arsenic. It does not heal you; it can make you seriously ill. http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/holy-water-mecca-marketed-illegally-uk-131396

Watch this video for the truth about Zamzam water.

Now let us assume that these bogus claims about miracles were true. What is the criterion of a true prophet? Shouldn’t we look at their fruits? How can a mass murderer, a rapist, a thief, a torturer, a pedophile, and an assassin be a prophet of God?

The matter is clear. If anyone seeks the truth all he has to do is look at the despicable life of Muhammad, his teachings of hate and violence and the deplorable, backwardness misery, and savagery of his followers to realize we are dealing with a demonic creed.

You ask why you are intrigued by Islam. Muhammad was the most evil man ever born. Why instead of looking at his fruits you are mesmerized by these bogus claims and lies about his alleged miracles? This is a question only you should answer. Why reason, facts and truth have little impact on you and you are fascinated by patent lies? How is it that Muhammad’s despicable crimes don’t affect you and these baseless deceptions impress you? How can I answer these questions? Assuming these claims were true, they still don’t prove Muhammad was a prophet of God. “You will recognize them by their fruits.” They can “perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” The truth is that no such signs exist and they are all leis make your fascination with them even less explainable.

God has created all sorts of people, just as he created all sorts of creatures. Bees are attracted to flowers and flies are attracted to excrement. There are people who are naturally drawn to evil. So don’t be too harsh on yourself. Maybe God created you in this way. Addicts are drawn to drug. Criminals are drawn to crime. It maybe your nature that you are drawn to lies. No good human finds Islam attractive. The converts to Islam can be classified in two groups: evil people and foolish people. The foolish people eventually come to their senses and all of them admit that their conversion to Islam was the most stupid decision of their life. The evil people love Islam . They find in Islam a religion that approves of their desire to hate and to kill and even promises them sexual rewards.

And I agree that you are very confused. I am afraid your confusion is deliberate.

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I am a non-Muslim woman raised as a christian, but even in christianity ( the church) I saw a lot of hypocrisy. Anyway I love the figure of Jesus

and I , like you, believe that christians not always follow his words. I worked a lot in Indonesia and was there also after the Bali Bombing. I speak the language and followed the news on tv. I was surprised by some commentaries that these terrorists were following the exact orders of their prophet. So I read the Koran, the Hadiths and the live of the prophet. And I was chocked by the lack of justice in these writing. The open hatred and violence towards the Jews and all other Muslims. So I read it again and again and became more chocked. This is 11 or 12 years ago. So I could not hide my chock and started talking about it with my friends. But surprise! They said I was a racist and islamophobe and that not all Muslims were terrorists. I had a hard time and felt really bad about it. So I read it again, but couldn't find it anything different then a false prophecy just told by the prophet to establish his power and let everybody do it his way. It was so abvious, transparant and almost ridiculous. Anyway I kept my mouth shut for a long time, but in my country the criminality by Muslims youngsters grew, they asked all kind of privileges and of course now we have thousands of Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq and now here in Europe they are afraid they will come back and do terrorists acts. But still the politic correctness (press, prominents and politicians) almost forces people to say that this has nothing to do with islam, because islam is peaceful and tolerant. It sometimes drives me crazy. I have a business and don't want to profile myself as a racist or islamophobe, but still open my mouth sometimes about it. My best friend is married to a Muslim, he is a very nice guy, but she takes very good care of him and they don't have children. What I want to ask you is: do you have some tips for me how to handle this, because I feel sometimes quite frustrated by this. I admire your strength and inteligence and als your empathy towards Muslims even though you see their religion is false. Thanks

You have Challenged to atheist not Mr. CChuckc and you told "can you say 0 came from 1 or 1 came from 0" so you can prove it where Allah came from? If you are unable to give the answer this will be proof that Allah is not exist.

If I'll celebrate Eid then he will help me but I've decided to do not celebrate a festival that is based on false. I'll celebrate "Nauroz" dated on 05-July of every year and 14- July as "Roz-e-Azadi" but this Eid is like for all thinkers a salvation day. because A person who can't think he is a foolish, and a person who deny to think he is a biased, and who is not able to think a slave. so you can decide in which category Muhammad put all true Muslims.

@narcole1919721
//How about you meet prophet and ask him directly? //
I won't meet that dacoit that I am pretty sure. But since you couldn't answer can I assume that you don't know the answer and your majlis-e-talim, that you advertise with so much vigour, hasn't been able to impart you enough 'knowledge'?

@shabeer_hassan
What the link you have provided doesn't answer the questions it itself sets out to prove. I will quote some truths that the article talks about:
1. However, it does reject the idea of the equality of the sexes as well. In its view, it is impossible that man be equivalent to woman or that woman be the equal to man.
2. Q2:28, last part "but men have a degree over them and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise."
So the article quotes this and then doesn't explain what the last part here 🙂
3. The article says that the position of women then was very weak because apparently the Romans thought so and so about them. First the Arabs were not Romans. Second Khadija was a rich business women which shows that in that society women actually were relatively free and used to run businesses. Third, even among Romans we find politically powerful women, so the allegations against the Romans isn't really true. Fourth, if this is really about the condition of women at that time, don't you think then that these rulings are invalid now, at least in most societies? And if that is so, don't you think Quran requires rewriting?
4. "The Qur'an has given the woman, like the man, the right to earn wealth."
See the comment about Khadija again.

I stop here, not because I can't go further, but because I have showed a sample of how that article could be shredded to pieces.
Lets go back to the comment that I had posted. Do you deny that women are provided half the inheritance and their witness is counted as half. Yes, No? Also do you think the reason Narcole gives for this is correct? Yes, No. Instead of answering straight questions with direct answers you are just propagating Islamic apologies.

@shabeer_hassan
I have already shown hadeeths which go against what you are trying to prove. You haven't been able to counter them. If there are some good words, advice from Muhammad then that isn't surprising. He had to say a few good things for people to keep on believing him. But you can't fight with the facts that he killed people at time entire tribes were wiped off. Muslim armies invaded Persia, India, the Byzantines, and went all the way to Spain. They established one of the biggest slave trade that ever existed. And all of these are permissible under Islam.

As far as bible is concerned this thread isn't about Bible so we need not comment on it.

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

Numbers 31: 25-40

25. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
26. Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:
27. And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:
28. And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons,(including the little girls) and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:
29. Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.
30. And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons(including the little girls), of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.
31. And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
32. And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
33. And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
34. And threescore and one thousand asses,
35. And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
36. And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
37. And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
38. And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.
39. And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.
40. And the persons(including little girls) were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls)

In the verse 35 we are told that Jews caught as booty 32.000 preteen girls for themselves.

The verse 40 is to dedicate the little girls (of women that had not known man by lying with him-32 of them)
to“God”! As God, himself commanded above that wants these preteen girls. Indeed clear perversion, God in the bible want for himself 32 little girls, why? Maybe to do what his soldiers(Jews)to the innocent little girls. Therefore Bible by saing that “LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.(preteen girls) actually demonstrate the Pedophilic nature of the biblical “God” . Shame to the Bible and Shame to its followers.

So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40.

#women earn half the inheritance compared to men ……………………and double the witnesses compared to men…………………………………….

YESTERDAY I POSTED REPLAY FOR U ALI SINNA DELETE IT,BEC'S THE FEAR OF MASS PEOPLE CONVERSION TO ISLAM ,HE SAYS TO ME THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR SPREADING TRUTH,SO MY BROTHER ,I WILL GIVE U LINK WHAT IS THE ISLAMIC STAND REGARDING U'R CLAIM,FIRST U READ IT CAREFULLY ,THEN POST U'R SUGGESTION BASED ON IT…………………..http://womenislamf.blogspot.in/

@shabeer_hassan
//Ohhhh….its only about written words, here? //
Unfortunately I am not clairvoyant. Unwritten words are not read 🙂

//Better attend majlis ta3lim//
Which harvests Islamic terrorists. Sorry I am not interested. If you want to counter the above and are not capable bring in your mullahs whose majlis-e-talim you attend. By the way, since you aren't able to counter doesn't it prove how insufficient your talim is?

@shabeer_hassan
//U NOTHING PROVED HERE [PLZ READ AGAIN FROM THE POST "exoitm real …….." 'U'R CLAIM WAS why different type of materiel water,soil,blood,for human creation i ANSWERED .there r two types of creation acc islam first adam[a] ,almighty god used [water,soil]……………then rest of the human from them [blood,sperm,etc.].//
Go back and read that thread. You were saying something about tea being made of sugar etc. The illogical statements you were making were seen by all and sundry.

Here I am pointing yet another inaccuracy from Quran. Fact is Quran says that women earn half the inheritance compared to men and double the witnesses compared to men. Do you deny that? Narcole posits that women lack mental balance and that is the reason we have these provisions in Islam. Do you agree or you don't? I have already proved by actually counting average number of such days that it still accounts for 21 years in a woman who lives for 70 years, say. Narcole couldn't counter that, you may try, instead of bringing in more Islamic garbage.

@shabeer_hassan
//FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AGAIN & LEARN THE KNOWLEDGE//
Yes, your son must go to a proper school and acquire knowledge instead of going to a madrasa.

//HOW CAN A MAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE SENTENCE "Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us" //
It says exactly what I said here in CAPS is the part that specifically throws your theory out : "….takes up arms AGAINST US…..". Do you have a problem reading that? As I said you are a liar and a very poor one at that. In other words you are a Muslim :-).

//THE TIME REACHED TO CHANGE HIS CORNEA/LENSES FROM HIS EYE OR SOMEONE TEACH HIM TO BASIC ENGLISH LANGUAGE//
The above sentence is a conclusive proof of your English capabilities. With such poor English you should refrain from commenting on others' linguistic abilities.

//The Prophet said, "None is killed unjustly, but the first son of Adam will have a part of its burden." Sufyan said//
It also says exactly what I said. Killing polytheist is never unjust for a Muslim.

General bloodshed isn't mentioned as a crime in the hadeeth you have mentioned which I quoted.
//I ASKING U ONE QUESTION IS KILLING OWN SON WITH UNJUST IS BLOODSHED?//
I said 'General Bloodshed' is not prohibited. The only thing said in the hadeeth is that don't kill your own son. It says nothing about other's son or daughter or polytheist killing. You can't deny history. Muslims killed, in fact butchered, thousands under Muhammad's direction. Here is a hadeeth supporting that. Lets see how you counter that:
Shahi Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256: Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and
children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."

//TAKE A NOTE BOOK WRITE THE FOLLOWING HADITH 1000000[EACH] TIME ,U EVER & NEVER SAYS ISLAM PROMOTING KILLING CHILDREN UP TO U'R DEATH//
Don't put words in my mouth. I clearly said that THAT particular hadeeth says nothing about prohibitng daughters being killed. That hadeeth doesn't prohibit killing in general. It only asks you not to kill your sons.

//Book 019, Hadith Number 4320
It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children. //
Why? Because women and children were being sold as slaves. Detesting their killing was a simple economic consideration. It is a fact that there was a good slave trade that was establishing as the Muslims were growing in power. I have proved it before in other threads. The fact that it was not out of any mercy for women and children is already proved by the hadeeth I have quoted above and I can quote a dozen of these all Shahi.

I AM ANSWERING U'R MEMBERS QUESTION ,I AM NOT INCLUDING LONG ISLAMIC TEACHING OR MY PERSONAL COMMENTS OR I AM NOT POSTING THE IRRELEVANT COMMENTS HERE …………. A POSITIVE WAY OF DEBATE IS PART OF LEARNING TRUTH,EVERY MAN HAS TO RIGHT TO EXPRESS HIS VIEWS /CLAIM………SOME TIME A LONG POST REQUIRED FOR UNDERSTANDING A TOPICS,WE R DISCUSSING HERE RELIGION /CIVILIZATION ,FROM TWO OR THREE LINE WE CAN'T ANSWER THEIR CLAIM ,A ANSWER IS COMPLETED, IT MUST INCLUDE VERSES EVIDENCE,HOW TO PRACTICABLE IN HUMAN LIFE,HOW PROPHET HIS SAHABHA UNDERSTAND/LEARN THAT VERSES /TOPIC ,ETC…………………

@chuch………….FIRST MY SON GO TO SCHOOL AGAIN & LEARN THE KNOWLEDGE………..HOW CAN A MAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE SENTENCE "Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us" ,TAKING ARMS FOR THE FIGHTING IS PROHIBITED ,THEY R NOT PART OF US[MUSLIM COMMUNITY]

The Prophet said, "None is killed unjustly, but the first son of Adam will have a part of its burden." Sufyan said, "..a part of its blood because he was the first to establish the tradition of murdering" WHAT THE MEANING WAS IT ? KILLING UNJUST IS PROHIBITED,EVERY MURDERING A PART OF SHARE GOING TO ITS BEGINNER ,IE FIRST SON OF ADAM [A],HE BEGGING THE MURDERING HIS OWN BROTHER FOR A WOMEN ,I DON'T KNOW CHUCK A BRAIN DEAD PERSON OR LUNATIC OR NOT ………. THE TIME REACHED TO CHANGE HIS CORNEA/LENSES FROM HIS EYE OR SOMEONE TEACH HIM TO BASIC ENGLISH LANGUAGE OR ITS A RIGHT TIME ADMIT HIM TO MENTAL HOSPITAL FOR SHOCK TREATMENT……………………

killing a polytheist is never unjustified.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 37
Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person[HERE NEVER SPECIFY WHETHER THEY R MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM] who killed somebody [COMMON USAGE MUSLIM/NON MUSLIM]unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,)

SUPPOSE WE CONSIDER THAT IF PROPHET INTENDED ALLOW KILLING NON MUSLIM BY MUSLIM ,THE HADITH NOT REVILED LIKE A NON MUSLIM who killed MUSLIM unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,)

#Where is general bloodshed………..1) READ ALL HADITH THAT I POSTED …………2)I ASKING U ONE QUESTION IS KILLING OWN SON WITH UNJUST IS BLOODSHED? OR MILKSHEAD? OR WATERSHEAD? H2SO4SHEAD?
#but not daughter'
TAKE A NOTE BOOK WRITE THE FOLLOWING HADITH 1000000[EACH] TIME ,U EVER & NEVER SAYS ISLAM PROMOTING KILLING CHILDREN UP TO U'R DEATH:
Dawud :: Book 28 : Hadith 3872
Narrated Asma', daughter of Yazid ibn as-Sakan,:
I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not kill your children secretly, for the milk, with which a child is suckled while his mother is pregnant, overtakes the horseman and throws him from his horse.
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 169
Narrated Asma bint Abi Bakr: I saw Zaid bin Amr bin Nufail standing with his back against the Ka'ba and saying, "O people of Quraish! By Allah, none amongst you is on the religion of Abraham except me." He used to preserve the lives of little girls: If somebody wanted to kill his daughter he would say to him, "Do not kill her for I will feed her on your behalf." So he would take her, and when she grew up nicely, he would say to her father, "Now if you want her, I will give her to you, and if you wish, I will feed her on your behalf."
Saheeh Bukhari
Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 258.
Narrated By Ibn 'Umar : During some of the Ghazawat of Allah's Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah's Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
Saheeh Muslim
Book 019, Hadith Number 4320
It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.
arrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah's name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah's Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abu Dawud , Book 14, Number 2608)
WHO KILLED CHILDREN:
1 Samuel 15:2-3
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
2 Chronicles 15:13
All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
2 Kings 2:23-24
Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
PLZ ADVICE THEM ………………………..

One: The Qur'an recognizes the right of woman to earn wealth.
Indeed, to earn as much as she desires. There is to be no right for the
man in any such earnings of hers. Her earnings will be hers alone.
Two: Under no circumstances will the protection and maintenance
of woman; children or the parents become the duty of the
woman. This then means that irrespective of how wealthy a woman
might be, she is not duty bound to bear the expenses of her own self,
children, parents or husband.
Three: Woman has the right to take, at the time of her marriage,
her dower from her husband. This dower (Mehr) is then effectively
treated as her own wealth.
Four: The protection of the family is the duty of man. It is man
who is duty bound to bear the expenses of his wife and children. Furthermore,
it is again his duty to protect his parents and other close
relatives. In effect, therefore, all financial burdens have to be borne
by man.
Five: Irrespective of how wealthy a wife might be, the husband
has no right, whatsoever, to take from any portion of her wealth without
her explicit permission.
The question may now be considered as to whether the Qur'an
has dealt justly or discriminatingly with the woman.
The wealth of inheritance received by woman is hers and hers
alone. None else has the right to this wealth. But what of that received
by man? He has to pay his marriage dower, take up the maintenance
of the women. And to bear her as well as the children’s expenses.
All falls under the responsibility of the man. Then is it man or
woman who has found favourable treatment in the Qur'an?
All other religious texts, which confer financial responsibilities
upon the man, have, in lieu of such duties, restricted the right to inheritance
with the man. As for the Qur'an, while it does stress upon the
fact that all financial burdens will be shouldered by man, it, nevertheless,
provides for the inheritance of woman as well. Indeed, by
approportioning half the inheritance of man to woman it has greatly
honoured her.
What then, can be the non-Qur'anic recommendations of the
critics on this subject? Two such recommendations may be raised:
1. Woman be given twice the wealth of man. Confer financial responsibilities upon woman.
2. Man and woman be given equal share in the wealth of inheritance.
Distribute financial responsibilities equally between them.
Both these recommendations seek to burden woman with the
yoke of financial responsibilities. This is an idea that is against the
very nature of womanhood. For, during times of pregnancy and childbirth
she yearns for the care and protection of the man. To burden
woman with financial responsibilities, as a rule, is to create conditions
of grave and far reaching consequences that will arise in the future.
As such, it is certain that the law which the Qur'an has put forward as
the subject of inheritance is, by far, the best that there is for woman’s
good.

U NOTHING PROVED HERE [PLZ READ AGAIN FROM THE POST "exoitm real …….." 'U'R CLAIM WAS why different type of materiel water,soil,blood,for human creation i ANSWERED .there r two types of creation acc islam first adam[a] ,almighty god used [water,soil]……………then rest of the human from them [blood,sperm,etc.]…..
next he jumped to Quran says that # women are half as capable as men……………..
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because
Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because
they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women
are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what
Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye
fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to
share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly), but if they return to
obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is
Most High, Great (above you all).” (H.Q. 4:34)
“Divorced women shall wait concerning for three monthly
periods. And it is not lawful for them to hide what Allah hath created
in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their
husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they
wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the
rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a
degree over them and Allah is Exalted in Power.” (H.Q. 2:228)
These have been the verses quoted by those who accuse the
Qur'an of being influenced by male chauvinism. It is claimed that these
verses make it clear that the Qur'an has been a product of the malechauvinistic
tendencies of the Arabs. What, then, is the reality?
In the first verse quoted above, the Qur'an says that man is
Qawwam over woman. In Arabic the word Qawwam or Qayyim
refers to the one who looks after the affairs of a person or an enterprize
and supervises over their necessary requirements. Indeed, it implies
more of a responsibility than an obligation. The said verse then
summarises that the control over the institution of the family which
includes, the affairs of woman and children or the responsibility for
their well-being dwells upon man.
The family is an institution. It is a noble institution that grants
peace and tranquility to both halves of the soul. In fact, it is the family
that forms the most important of all social institutions. It will by
acknowledged by all that any institution will require an able head for
its growth, development and the resolution of its various problems. To
any versed even in the most basic lessons of management, it is common
knowledge that any firm, no matter howsoever good its credentials, is
bound to wither away in the absence of a controlling head of affairs.
Then is there not the necessity of a head for the family wherein the
very foundation of all morality in society is being formulated? It is
indeed, vital that there must be an overseer for properly carrying out
all the incumbent responsibilities that arise while maintaining a family
right from bringing up childrenand giving them all the guidance required
for making them responsible members of the society. Otherwise, total
anarchy and chaos will be the result.
It is clear, therefore, that there must be a person to assume the
leadership of the family. It would be more correct to search for the
one who is really more capable for this than to ask the question as to
who is more deserving. It should either be that both assume the
leadership jointly or that the woman assume the leadership of the family
herself. Let us approach the problem from the unprejudiced, basic
premise that the man is to be entrusted with that responsibility only if
both these options are impracticable.
It is more dangerous for an institution to have two leaders than
for it to be without any. It is commonplace for the very institution
themselves to fall apart in all the cases wherein the enterprise, previously
handled by the father before his death, is not justly approportioned off
or is not passed on to any one of his children for its proper functioning.
In institutions where there exists more than one leader, the institution
is wrecked by the power tussle and other problems related to leadership.
Even if it does not fall apart, the ‘products’ that come forth will be
defective in some way. So is the case with the family. If both are
made the leaders, there will be a dichotomy of views concerning their
approaches to the resolution of problems. This will result in a jostling
for power and leadership. This will then, in turn, result in a disturbance
family atmosphere. Children brought up in such a family atmosphere
will become subject to mental tensions and imbalances. This will then
be the cause of the moral laxity of the next generation.
Can a woman really assume control of the family? Or is that
responsibility to be entrusted to man? The answer to this question lies
in the counter question. ‘Is it intellect or emotion that is necessary to
control the family?’ If it is intellect, then the control of the family is to
be entrusted to man, if emotions, then to woman.

If you see nature, you will find quran. the sky moon stars cloud sun sea earth are telling in language for all. Ali Imran 190-191 : Indeed, in the creation of the sky and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You [above such a thing]; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire.

@Narcole
I keep maximum distance from Muslims ,i have no interest in their rituals and Allah ,for me all these things look funny at this moment of 21st century ,when our knowledge is increasing in many fold .But to be frank Muslims are always illiterate and will be in future as well . Today i saw them doing that weird kind of sitting standing exercise in Unison ,i could not stop laughing for this madness .Just imagine how many productive human hours have been wasted in such way ,and how many death screaming of poor animal later that day,simply ridiculous wuff…..i can handle.

If Allah had send the holly Book Quran for all human being, it should be readable by every human being in his own language.In some mythology the God sends the holy book to the human being .Where in any body opens it ,to him it appears in his own language ,even blind opens it he will automatically get divine eyes to read it .Even an illiterate opens it ,to him it will appear in the form of picture or an audio format.If an human consider Gods book in such manner in his mythology ,then why Quran cant do that miracle to establish its authenticity as divine book ha ha ha tell this cock and bull story to your illiterate brothers and sister they will give you prize .

@narcole1919721
//Pms also unstable '.' How many days//
Why are you beating around the bush ? Oh sorry, thats your habit. So do you accept then that Quran correctly diagnoses women to be half as intelligent and trustworthy as men are (and apparently because they are mentally unstable for a certain number of days)? Yes, No?

By the way, lets just do the match. In average cases, a women bleeds between 12 and 50 and lives, say, till 70. So she is not emotionally OK for 32 years in her life. Now even when she menstruates, it is only for 4-5 days, and if she suffers from PMS its an additional 4-5 days, on average.. thats about 10 days in a month. SO of the remaining 38 years, that she has periods, the women is emotionally OK, or mentally stable as you term it, for 25 years. So we see that counting days a women is OK for 57 years out of an average of 70 years. And based on this your silly Allah gives farman that women should get half the inheritance, are half as trustworthy as witness etc. Masha Allah!!

@narcole1919721,
//But Islam prophet quran and hadiths use arabic.//
If Islamic prophet and Allah had/have language deficiencies I can hardly help:-).
But that is beside the point. Do you think the above translations are wrong? Yes, No? If No why are you complaining. If Yes, tell us what are the wrong parts and give us the correct English meanings since thats what 90% of people who visit here understand. If you are unable to do that simply shut up.

@narcole1919721
//Sometimes 10-14 days//
Only sometimes. Usually only around a week, and only between the age 12 to 50. So there are far more days when a woman isn't emotionally unstable(if we can say that) due to menstruation if we consider an average life of 70 years (and women on average live more years than men).

Also I am not specifically talking about you. From your comments you seem unstable 30 days a month (and nights too).

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 190: Narrated: The statement of the Prophet: Whoever takes up arms against us, is not from us."

Is this a prohibition? It is saying that if you attack us then you don't belong to us.

//Prohibit killing with unjust: //
Lets check the hadith again:
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 423: Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "None is killed unjustly, but the first son of Adam will have a part of its burden."
Sufyan said, "..a part of its blood because he was the first to establish the tradition of murdering"

This is how Mhhammad is justifying the killings he did/ordered. To him, as indeed to every true muslim, not being muslim is a crime and punishable by death. That is ENOUGH justification, hence in Islamic logic, killing a polytheist is never unjustified.

You say: //Bloodshed completely prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 4,7 ,8
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,23//
Lets look at one of these:
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 611: Narrated 'Abdullah:
I asked Allah's Apostle "What is the biggest sin in the sight of Allah?" He said, "To set up rivals unto
Allah though He alone created you." I said, "In fact, that is a tremendous sin," and added, "What
next?" He said, "To kill your son being afraid that he may share your food with you." I further asked,
"What next?" He said, "To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor."

Where is general bloodshed prohibited in the above hadith? What is prohibited here is a father killing his son (but not daughter , mind you), polytheism and illegal sexual intercourse (This person could hardly say a thing without mentioning illegal sex).

@Shabeer,
//at least "ONE" [only ONE enough],don't escape from the challenge//
I have already proved more than one. You have fled those discussions. Let me state one: Quran says that women are half as capable as men. In fact their inheritance is also half of that of a man and they also require double the number of witness. Do you think this is correct. We do find many women are far more capable than average men. In fact here on this very site a woman, @narcole, is trolling far better than any of you ever have including @zitouni and @amin.

#there is no need to build layers in heaven and hell. Everyone will go to the same place,……………………..BEST OF LUCK ………..MY DEAR BROTH/SIST SINNA SAY THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT ALL THE PEOPLE GOING THE SAME PLACE,I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS IT WAS [THAKS GOD FROM MUSLIM TEACHING HE WAS LEARN THERE IS PLACE PEOPLE GOINGTO AFTER THEIR DEATH] CONSIDER TWO WORKER THEIR BOSS GIVEN THEM TO SOME WORK & ADVICE THEM DO IT OR I WILL PUNISH U ,MR.A DID IT PERFECT WAY ,MR.B NEVER DID AT LEAST A SINGLE……….THERE THREE POSSIBILITIES OF WAGES
1) WAGES ONLY MR.A & PUNISHMENT MR.B
2)WAGES EQUALLY BOTH MR.A & B
3) NO WAGES TO BOTH MR.A & B ,BUT PUNISHMENT
WHAT IS AN IDEAL/TRUSTFUL WAY OF JUSTICE?
#On the other hand the stories of the people with near death experience make sense…………THEY R NOT DEATH….THEY LIVING ……HOW CAN DEATH EXPERIENCE HAPPENED TO THEM?,PLZ USE COMMON SENSE ……..

#why it is not consistent with the nature of God to punish people……………..god punish the people who deviate the path of his nature/he was the creator of all ,he has the right to punish his creation , his Justice being trustful /moral ……….HITLER KILLED 6 M PEOPLE,HOW MANY TIME WE PUNISH HIM?LIKE FROM THE MANKIND HISTORY LOT OF BLOODSHED ,UN JUSTICE,MASSACRE HAPPENED. HOW MANY DROP OF BLOOD ? HOW MANY DROP OF TEARS? DOES ALL WHO PUNISHED OR EQUALLY PUNISHED? HOW MANY INJUSTICE GOING ON OUR WORLD PER SECOND, A DAY REQUIRED TO PUNISH ALL THE SINNER WITH WHAT THEY DID HERE ,ITS THE DREAM OF JUSTER ,ITS THE DREAM OF THE JUST WHO KEEP RIGHTEOUS,MORALS & GOOD MANNERS………. THE JUDGMENT COMPLETED/MORAL/IDEAL IT JUDGE WHO KNOW THE INTENTION OF THE PEOPLE /DEPTH OF THE CRIME & READ THE PEOPLE MIND[SOUL]………………………..
#God will not judge nor does he punish anyone………………….PROOF????? JUST A CREATED HUMAN CLAIM,HAS LIMITATION WITH SOUND ,EAR,BRAIN,NOTHING TO CREATED HERE A SINGLE ATOM,NOTHING TO CONTROL HERE A SINGLE CELL,DEPENDING WATER,OXYGEN,FOOD,HEAT,& ETC ,DEPENDING ALL FROM GOD,TALKING /CRITICIZING MY ALMIGHTY GOD NATURE WITH THEIR 60-100 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ,A LITTLE HUMAN BRAIN,THEY DON'T KNOW THE CAPACITY OF UNIVERSES ,WHO R THEY?
#Dreams are not messages from the other world. They are messages from our subconscious mind………………………………….
Muslim :: Book 29 : Hadith 5621
dreams are of three types: one good dream which is a sort of good tidings from Allah; the evil dream which causes pain is from the satan; and the third one is a suggestion of one's own mind; so if any one of you sees a dream which he does not like he should stand tip and offer prayer and he should not relate it to people, and he said: I would love to see fetters (in the dream), but I dislike wearing of necklace, for the fetters is (an indication of) one's steadfastness in religion. The narrator said: I do not know whether this is a part of the hadith or the words of Ibn Sirin.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 87 :: Hadith 144
'There are three types of dreams: The reflection of one's thoughts and experiences one has during wakefulness, what is suggested by Satan to frighten the dreamer, or glad tidings from Allah. So, if someone has a dream which he dislikes, he should not tell it to others, but get up and offer a prayer." He added, "He (Abu Huraira) hated to see a Ghul (i.e., iron collar around his neck in a dream) and people liked to see fetters (on their feet in a dream). The fetters on the feet symbolizes one's constant and firm adherence to religion." And Abu 'Abdullah said, "Ghuls (iron collars) are used only for necks."

#4.5 terrorist attacks every day, all perpetrated by Muslims……………..
Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the
westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting
and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation
about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blasts take place anywhere, the first people to be accused
without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the
news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears
as an insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50 year old Muslim marries a 15 year old girl after taking her permission, it
appears on the front page but when a 50 year old non-Muslim rapes a 6 year
old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday
in America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn’t appear
in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans.
2. Black sheep in every community:
I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who
cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in
such activities. There are black sheep in every community. I know Muslims who
are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole:
Inspite of all the black sheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the
whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community
of tee-totallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we
are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is no
community as a whole in the world which can show even a candle to the
Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where
human values and ethics are concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver:
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a
person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up
the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the
ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel
consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of
argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers? If you
want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources,
i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh):
If you practically want to check how good a car is put an expert driver behind the
steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by
whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God,
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and
unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad
was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book,
‘The Hundred Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the
number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh).
There are several such examples of non-Muslims paying great tributes to the
prophet, like Thomas Carlyle, La-Martine, etc.

"But He fashioned him (man) in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (The Noble Quran, 32:9)"
The Prophet's Hadith is also found in Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 549 and Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 77, Number 593.
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"When 42 nights have passed from the time of the nutfah (time of conception), Allah sends an angel to it, who shapes it and makes its ears, eyes, skin, muscles and bones…" (Sahih Muslim, Kitab Al-Qadar)
1. Alaqah changing to mudghah.
2. Mudghah changing to izam.
3. Izam changing to lahm.
The embryo at 24-25 days in the end of the alaqah stage, and it makes a direct change into the mudghah stage at 26-27 days. The mudghah stage lasts until the 6th week, and then changes directly into the izam by the beginning of the 7th week, since the skeleton begins its appearance at that time. The lahm stage follows in the 8th week immediately after the izam stage, since muscle precursor cells begin their development into muscle as soon as the bone is formed and the muscles can become attached. Thus, the word fa is used in the Qur'an to accurately and strongly indicate that these developments follow on another immediately with no delay." (The Qur'an and Modern Science, Keith L. Moore, Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani, and Mustafa A. Ahmed, Pages 37-39, 46-47, ISBN 0-9627236-0-6)
#1000 mistakes in the Quran…………..it was 100 times sinna repeat his claim ,i'm repeating my challenge ,plz bring the proof from the quran,prove here not 1000 ,at least "ONE" [only ONE enough],don't escape from the challenge……………………..
#He raided villages and towns,…………butchered unarmed men and took as slaves their wives and children. He then sold those hapless captives and raped the prettier girls among them. He told his followers to do the same…………………….
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
Not to join anything in worship along with Allah, (2) Not to steal, (3) Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, (4) Not to kill your children, (5) Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people), (6) Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deeds.
#He raided villages and towns,…………butchered unarmed men and took as slaves their wives and children. He then sold those hapless captives and raped the prettier girls among them. He told his followers to do the same…………………….
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
Not to join anything in worship along with Allah, (2) Not to steal, (3) Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, (4) Not to kill your children, (5) Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people), (6) Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deeds.

# But there is no miracle in the Quran………………………….
lot of miracle is there in quran i prove here one
[023:014] Then We made the sperm into a leech-like substance; then of that leech-like substance We made a fetus of a chewed-like substance; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create!
Man is created from the purest and the best sperm (سلالة) that is also drawn with ease (سل ). The male's sperm that fertilizes the female's egg is the best and strongest sperm from among all of the 100s of millions of sperms that were ejected, and it ultimately draws itself from the protective semen liquid to move into the egg.
"2. Sulalah. Sulalah refers to the selection from the male and female fluids……The Qur'anic term for this selection is sulalah, which means in Arabic "gentle extraction from fluid". It is now known that both ovum and sperm are gently extracted from their fluid environments in the process of fertilization. The ovum is selected from a long stream of follicular fluid, while one sperm out of millions is selected from the seminal fluid. The first sperm which touches the cell membrane of the ovum enters easily, but immediately afterwards a rapid physical, chemical change occurs in the cell membrane, selecting the sperm only and all other sperm are locked out." (The Qur'an and Modern Science, Keith L. Moore, Abdul-Majeed A. Zindani, and Mustafa A. Ahmed, Page 27, ISBN 0-9627236-0-6)
[023:013] Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed (that's the woman's egg);
[023:014] Then We made Created the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (that is a leech-like substance); then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create!
1- Man is created and determined from a single flowing سلالة, that is the SPERM.
2- Then Allah Almighty Made man a MINGLED NUTFAH (SPERM…نطفة امشاج), which is a mingled, single, stationed and secured SPERM inside the egg (ثم جعلناه نطفة في قرار مكين); m-قرار مكين is the female's protected and protective BASE (i.e., egg).
3- Then after that, Allah Almighty Created the NUTFAH into an AALAQA (a sucking clot substance that looks like a leech).
4- And then the alaqa was Created into a lump (mudgha….مضغة).
5- Then the lump was Created into bones, and then the bones were covered with flesh, and then Allah Almighty انشاناه خلقا اخر built him into a different creation.
[053:045] And that HE creates the pairs, male and female,
[053:046] From a sperm drop when it that is emitted and is penetrating;
[075:037] Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth (and is penetrating)?
[075:038] The he became a clot, then ALLAH gave him shape and perfected him.
[075:039] Then HE made of him a pair; the male and female.
Allah Almighty Had Spoken a Divine Statement that is today in perfect agreement with Science! Indeed, the male's NUTFAH (sperm) strikes the female's egg with penetration. The NUTFAH is indeed a penetrating one that "strikes" and "cuts" through the egg to make fertilization. That is why Allah Allah Almighty in both Noble Verses, 53:45, 75:39, talked about the formation of both sexes: the male and the female, and said that it is the "penetrating," "striking," "cutting," (يمنى) NUTFAH (نطفة, sperm) that determines them.
We're already seen above that MANA (منى) directly and literally means to strike, cut, and penetrate.
"When one of you was created in his mother's womb, he as a NUTFAH نطفه for 40 days, then became for 40 days a Aalaqa علقه , then became for 40 days Mudgha مضغه, then Allah Almighty Sent to him the Ange(of Life to blow Life in him as stated in Noble Verse 32:9):

#For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” (Matt. 24:24)…………………
#““Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.” (Mtt. 7:15)………………………..

Jesus said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the
Law or the prophets” (Mathew 5:17)
FROM THE BIBLE QURAN WE CAN MATCH SOME SIMILLARITY BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY,THEN WHO THE PEOPLE JESUS PROPHESIED THE false prophets & sheep’s clothing wolves,IT MUST REJECT THE FAITH OF JESUS & AGAINST JESUS IT IT? WE CHECK FROM THE SCRIPT WHO R MATCH WITH JESUS & WHO R NOT.
Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Mathew 10:5-6
Mathew 15:24
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Bible.
Deuteronomy 18:18
Isaiah 29:12
Song of Solomon 5:16
John 16:7
John 16:12-14
Concept of God
Deuteronomy 6:4
Mark 12:29
Prostration in the Bible
Genesis 17:3; Numbers 20:6
Joshua 5:14; Mathew 26:39
Bible prescribes Fasting
Mathew 17:21
Mark 9:29
Abstaining from alcohol
Al-Qur'an 5:90
Proverbs 20:1
Ephesians 5:18
(i) Dead meat
Leviticus 17:15
Deuteronomy 14:21
(ii) Blood
Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:14, Deuteronomy 12:16,
I Samuel 14:33, Acts 15:29
(iii) Pork is prohibited
Leviticus 11:7-8
Deuteronomy 14:8
Isaiah 65:2-5
Six Criteria for Hijab in Islam
Deuteronomy 22:5
I Timothy 2:9 e.g. of Mary
I Corinthians 11:5-6
E. Circumcision
Acts 7:8
John 7:22
Luke 2:21
Jesus prays to God (Matthew 26:42).
A messenger from heaven appears so that Jesus may be strengthened (Luke 22:43).
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." (Mathew 6:19-21)
if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' Everyone will be salted with fire. "(Mark 9:43-49)
so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Mathew 6:4)
anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Mathew 5:21,22)
"'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." (Mathew 6:10-13)
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Mathew 7:21)
"I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father had taught me." (John 8:28)
WHO R HERE MATCH WITH JESUS TEACHING ? MUSLIMS OR SINNA& GANGS ,PLZ REMEMBER THE PEOPLE [false prophets & sheep’s clothing wolves]

#miracles are self-deceptions and products of false interpretations…………………..
Belief in Ghaib (Unseen)
The belief in ghaib (unseen) is mentioned in the first few ayat of the Qur’an, so it is almost the opening message in the Qur’an:
This is the Book (the Qur’an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious believers of Islamic Monotheism who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. Who believe in the ghaib and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and spend out of what We have provided for them [i.e. give Zakat , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allah's Cause – Jihad]. (Al-Baqara 2:2-3)
We can see in the above ayat that Emaan (faith) in ghaib is a matter of belief and it is very important to get our understanding of this concept aligned with what the Qur’an tells us. The correct belief in ghaib (unseen or unknown), as stated in the Qur’an, is that the knowledge of the Unseen is only with Allah:
And with Him are the keys of the ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record. (Al-Anaam 6:59)
(He Alone is) the All-Knower of the ghaib (Unseen), and He reveals to none His ghaib (Unseen).” (Al-Jinn 72:26)
Say: “None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghaib (Unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected.” (An-Naml 27:65)
Say (O Muhammad): “I possess no power over benefit or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the ghaib (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe.” (Al-Araf 7:188)
Narrated Masruq: ‘Aisha said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his lord, he is a liar, for Allah says: ‘No vision can grasp Him.’ (6.103) And if anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 477]
#if there were strange things in the Quran, they do not prove that this book is from God…………………..
that the miracle opinion like a foolish says " IF U SAW THE KING COBRA DON'T FEAR ABOUT THAT "
THEN WHAT WAS THE DIVINITY OF THE TRUE SCRIPTURE ,MR,SINNA MUST PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE ………….
# It would prove that it is from Satan…………&# miracles can be either tricks or the work of Satan……… ONE DAY HE SAYS NO SPIRITUAL/UNSEEN THINGS OR SUBJECT ,NO GOD,NO ANGLE,NO SATAN ,ETC,HERE HE SAY ABOUT THE SATAN,BUT HE NEVER BELIEVE GOD ,I DON'T NO WHAT A MIRACLE MAN WAS HIM,FOR HIS CLAIM HE JOINT ALL OF THEM WITH HIM,FOR CRITICIZING REJECTED ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS,HE BELIEVING SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD ,CAN WE IMAGINE WHO THE PEOPLE LIKE SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD????????????

#miracles are self-deceptions and products of false interpretations…………………..
Belief in Ghaib (Unseen)
The belief in ghaib (unseen) is mentioned in the first few ayat of the Qur’an, so it is almost the opening message in the Qur’an:
This is the Book (the Qur’an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious believers of Islamic Monotheism who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. Who believe in the ghaib and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and spend out of what We have provided for them [i.e. give Zakat , spend on themselves, their parents, their children, their wives, etc., and also give charity to the poor and also in Allah's Cause – Jihad]. (Al-Baqara 2:2-3)
We can see in the above ayat that Emaan (faith) in ghaib is a matter of belief and it is very important to get our understanding of this concept aligned with what the Qur’an tells us. The correct belief in ghaib (unseen or unknown), as stated in the Qur’an, is that the knowledge of the Unseen is only with Allah:
And with Him are the keys of the ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record. (Al-Anaam 6:59)
(He Alone is) the All-Knower of the ghaib (Unseen), and He reveals to none His ghaib (Unseen).” (Al-Jinn 72:26)
Say: “None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghaib (Unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected.” (An-Naml 27:65)
Say (O Muhammad): “I possess no power over benefit or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the ghaib (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe.” (Al-Araf 7:188)
Narrated Masruq: ‘Aisha said, “If anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen his lord, he is a liar, for Allah says: ‘No vision can grasp Him.’ (6.103) And if anyone tells you that Muhammad has seen the unseen, he is a liar, for Allah says: “None has the knowledge of the unseen but Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 477]
#if there were strange things in the Quran, they do not prove that this book is from God…………………..
that the miracle opinion like a foolish says " IF U SAW THE KING COBRA DON'T FEAR ABOUT THAT "
THEN WHAT WAS THE DIVINITY OF THE TRUE SCRIPTURE ,MR,SINNA MUST PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE ………….

# It would prove that it is from Satan…………&# miracles can be either tricks or the work of Satan……… ONE DAY HE SAYS NO SPIRITUAL/UNSEEN THINGS OR SUBJECT ,NO GOD,NO ANGLE,NO SATAN ,ETC,HERE HE SAY ABOUT THE SATAN,BUT HE NEVER BELIEVE GOD ,I DON'T NO WHAT A MIRACLE MAN WAS HIM,FOR HIS CLAIM HE JOINT ALL OF THEM WITH HIM,FOR CRITICIZING REJECTED ALL SPIRITUAL THINGS,HE BELIEVING SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD ,CAN WE IMAGINE WHO THE PEOPLE LIKE SATAN MORE THAN THE GOD????????????

If I am mean it is because you imposed that on me. However, calling muhammadanism by its proper name is not meanness. If doing so hurts your feeling, then there is nothing that can be done about that for evil remains evil no matter whose ox is gored.

The Lord Jesus taught us humility and brotherhood with all mankind. We have to be our brothers' keeper. HE said we should always turn the other cheek. But I have said that after turning the second cheek there is none other to be turned to a muhammadan to slap. If the muhammadan slaps the third time then that is a violation which will attract appropriate response. You, like all muhammadans, have overshot that limit many times over.

@narcole
Rig Veda / 8/58/2: Only One is the Fire, enkindled in numerous ways; only One is the Sun, pervading this whole universe; only One is the Dawn, illuminating all things. The One has become the whole world.
Atharvana Veda 13/4/12: He is the One, the Onefold, the only One.
Mundaka Upanishad/3/1/8: Eye cannot see him, nor words reveal him; by the senses, austerity, or works he is not known.When the mind is cleansed by the grace of wisdom, he is seen by contemplation–the One without parts.
Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad/ 3/8/9: It is in truth that Imperishable, O Gargi, who is not seen but is the seer, who is not heard but is the hearer, who is not thought but is the thinker, who is not known but is the knower. There is no other seer but him, no other hearer but him, no other thinker but him, no other knower but him. And it is that Imperishable which is the warp and the woof of space.”
What we have shown by a few instances from Vedic scriptures is that, if anything, they are monotheistic beyond comparison, as , Vedic scriptures recognize the unity of REALITY without any human intervention or intercession. Going by the playbook of West Asian theisms, the Vedic discourse is head and shoulders above the Abrahamic monotheism, for the reason mentioned above. In the context of Islam, where, oneness, among other things, points to not associating partners with God, there are tons of verses in Vedas (in addition to the above) that show what true oneness is. As mentioned above, Vedic scriptures do not attach a human or a quasi human aspect, while dealing with REALITY.

Fantastic nonsense. There is no name that Muhammad will not be given including pig-head. If he is a descendant of Hagar then he is from the lineage GOD Almighty said will be wild and against everybody. Nothing can be truer than that for muhammadanism is a declaration of war on mankind. The muhammadan is in enmity with the rest of humanity. YES THE TRUE GOD SAID IT ABOUT THE OFFSPRING OF ISHMAEL, HAGAR'S SON, AND IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES.

Sanatan Dharma,
I experienced that some days ago and protested. It is because of the site's new policy. You have to register and once that happens all your comments will be posted as soon as you submit them. In my case I was so frustrated that I wondered if the jihadists had taken over or penetrated the site, Register and all that will be over.

Those arent god. Those are makhluq, under gods control. Even Brahma aka prophet Abraham was a prophet. And saraswati was sarah, his wife. Jesus came from sarahs decendants, prophet Muhammad came from hajars decendants. and tong sam chongs journey to west was order from caesar tang, to take holyscript from budha mahiawu aka prophet Mumammad from west, cos he felt hindu from india wasnt pure anymore. Mahiawu means west, and they called mecca as west. Most religions came from hanif, but improvisation created sects even new religions.

Narcole
Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad/ 3/9/ 1 – 9: This involves a conversation between Shakalya and Yajnavalka on the number of Gods.

1. Then Vidagdha Shakalya asked him: “How many Gods are there, Yajnavalkya?”
He replied according to the Nivid, quoting the number mentioned in the Nivid of the All-Gods: “Three hundred and three and three thousand and three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Thirty-three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Six.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Three.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“Two.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“One and a half.”
“Yes,” he said, “but how many Gods are there really, Yajnavalkya?”
“One.”
“Yes,” he said, “but which are those three hundred and three and three thousand and three?”

2. Yajnavalkya replied: “These are but their powers; there are only thirty-three Gods.”
“Which are these thirty-three?”
“The eight Vasus, eleven Rudras, and twelve Adityas make thirty-one; thus with Indra and Prajapati there are thirty-three all told.”

3. “Which are the Vasus?”
“Fire, the earth, wind, space, the sun, the sky, the moon, and the stars–these are the Vasus. In them is stored all treasure; hence they are called Vasus.”

4. “Which are the Rudras?”
“The ten breaths that are in man, and the atman is the eleventh. When they leave the mortal body, they cause men to weep. Because they cause men to weep, they are Rudras.”

5. “Which are the Adityas?”
“The twelve months of the year, these are the Adityas. They move onward, carrying along all that is; hence they are called Adityas.”

6. “Who is Indra? Who is Prajapati?”
“The thunder is Indra, the Sacrifice is Prajapati.”
“What is thunder?”
“Lightning.”
“What is sacrifice?”
“The victim.”

7. “Which are the six?”
“Fire, the earth, the wind, space, the sun, and the sky–these are the six, for these six are all.”

8. “Which are the three Gods?”
“The three Gods are the three worlds, for in them all those Gods exist.”
“Which are the two Gods?”
“Food and Life Breath.”
Which is the one and a half?”
“The one who blows.”

9. “About this God they say: as the one who blows [the air] is one only, why speak of one and a half? Because in him all this has developed, hence it is called one and a half.”
“Which is the one God?”
“Life Breath; he is Brahman, which they call ‘that’ .”

Rig Veda / 8/58/2: Only One is the Fire, enkindled in numerous ways; only One is the Sun, pervading this whole universe; only One is the Dawn, illuminating all things. The One has become the whole world.
Atharvana Veda 13/4/12: He is the One, the Onefold, the only One.
Mundaka Upanishad/3/1/8: Eye cannot see him, nor words reveal him; by the senses, austerity, or works he is not known.When the mind is cleansed by the grace of wisdom, he is seen by contemplation–the One without parts.

Sura 3:55 "JESUS, I AM ABOUT TO CAUSE YOUR TERM ON EARTH TO END AND LIFT YOU UP TO ME. I SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY FROM THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE AND EXALT YOUR FOLLOWERS ABOVE THEM TILL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION—AS FOR THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE, THEY SHALL BE STERNLY PUNISHED IN THIS WORLD AND THE WORLD TO COME: THERE SHALL BE NONE TO HELP THEM".
Above quotation refers. Let it be assumed, for purposes of argument only, that it refers to the Jesus I know.

Santana Dharma,
"WHAT IS QURAN IN ACTUALITY?"
Sura 81:19 "THE SPEECH OF A NOBLE MESSENGER". In other words, the thoughts and sayings of Muhammad who was called 'the messenger'. Michael Hart, the Jewish geophysicist who is much celebrated by muhammadans, confirmed this to the approval of his target readership.

@narcole1919721
//Lol keep hiding and avoiding.//
My questions are still there unanswered, so who is avoiding?

//Any brave guy would like to take my challenge?//
Suppose I am not brave, how does it answer the question I have raised.

See I have conclusively proven that the speed of light your Egyptian 'physician' 🙂 has found is based on lies and fabrications. You couldn't offer a logical response to it (But when do you anyway?). I am done with this thread and not going to respond to anything else on this thread. Point made, time to move on.

@narcole1919721,
//How about you make a book against dr mansoubs book //
That will be paying too much respect to that idiot. He doesn't deserve it. You can be an intermediary and let your dear 'physician' know. You claim to have understood his theory, but aren't able to answer simple questions exactly on that topic!!!

//and make him admit ur right//
A muslim never admits he or she is wrong. Look at yourself for example.

//then ill give u a car, or ill make u a car. Not joking. How about that? //
Typical materialistic muslim mindset.

//and u cant answer where 0 and 1 to answer nizams question, dont u wanna help him?//
If Nizam asks me, he would. The point I am responding to at present doesn't require it to be answered. Rest assured that the number system, including 0 and 1 weren't invented by the Arabians :-).

How u got ur master will be our business. How about you make a book against dr mansoubs book and make him admit ur right, then ill give u a car, or ill make u a car. Not joking. How about that? Brave enough? 😉 and u cant answer where 0 and 1 to answer nizams question, dont u wanna help him? 😉

@narcole1919721
//Did you get master degree instantly by bribing without process? //
How I got my masters is none of your business and it doesn't matter.

//The site couldnt bring full article or full books here.//
I didn't ask for full article, but simple questions. Questions that you can't or won't answer. Anyway the answer is that joker's considerations are abject scientific failures. He just assumes that "affairs" are light particle and second he lies about the Arabian Lunar Calender having sidereal months while they are synodic months. The whole calculation changes drastically if we replace sidereal by synodic.
In fact we assume the these "affairs" are indeed light particles with which that dumb Allah works/communicates then it implies that he is stationed just about the edge of this solar system.. not very far you know:-).. It also means that since his light takes 1000 Lunar years (of 12 sidereal months each) so he isn't omnipresent but suffers from a delay!!! If a muslim is in distress and is praying for intervention, he is doomed since it is going to take 1 day for Allah to direct his affairs and communicate!!

//And why still asking answered questions in book //
Because the answer to those questions might show you daylight. I am more merciful than your Allah you see!!

//still not answering my questions about 0 and 1 also ur belief?//
Because both the questions aren't related with the topic.

Did you get master degree instantly by bribing without process? The site couldnt bring full article or full books here. You obviously didnt read any. all ur questions answered already there. And why still asking answered questions in book but still not answering my questions about 0 and 1 also ur belief? Arent you diverting and not brave enough? 😉

@narcole1919721
Ha ha… nice cut paste. "of your reckoning" leaves no doubt as to our understanding of the year as the lunar year. Very true. I said as much now in the Islamic Calender Lunar Year comprises of 12 synodic months. Not sidereal months!! Sidereal days are not directly observed and no Islamic calender is based on Sidereal days. So the basic premise itself is wrong. So you joker 'physician' makes 2 illogical jumps to come to his miracle: 1. sidereal day = length of 12000 revolutions of the moon around the earth. The average synodic month is about 2.2 days longer than the sidereal month.
2. a certain "cosmic affair" . Why should this be the speed of light. The verse has nothing to do with light, even the verses before and after it are not related any which way with light. So why this inference?

Muslims come with these garbage every now and then and they can be trashed just as easily. You think about point 1 and 2 and see where it leads you.

If ur a christian ill explain with bible, if ur hindu/budha ill explain ur script. If ur a physician or physicist pffft ill explain using ur field. But you still afraid to tell ur belief, why? Afraid me to find the flaws, and u already know the flaw but cant help it x'D

Omg you stll dnt get it. "GOD rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the earth. Then this affair travels, to Him (i.e. through the whole universe) in one day, where the measure is one thousand years of your reckoning"(32:5)the Quranic expression "of your reckoning" leaves no doubt as to our understanding of the year as the lunar year.The verse begins with a reference to a certain "cosmic affair" which GOD creates and commands. This affair travels, permanently through the whole universe between the heavens and the Earth, so speedily that it crosses in ONE DAY a maximum distance in space equivalent to that which the moon passes during ONE THOUSAND LUNAR YEAR (i.e. during 12000 Sidereal months). The question which pause.; itself now is: what could this cosmic affair be? and what is its greatest velocity as expressed in this Quranic equation?.To answer this question. The above Quranic verse has been understood** in terms of the following equation:Distance crossed in vacuum by the universal cosmic affair in Osle sidereal day = length of 12000 revolutions of the moon around the earth..:. Ct = 12000 L .

Lololol whatcha talking about…btw i was translating from my language to english and i was baking cookies for eid. Want some? dont worry, no poison, trust me 😉 aw you really didnt read. Since im busy here i give you the english, copy paste. I understood this, but you still didnt x'D im doubting ur statement that ur a master in physics, ur a liar x'D this site rejects posting long comments. So i recommend you to check his articles on net, especially english like islamicity.com etc. Im sorry you just know one language in ur life. While me this young from mixed race already did this translation job for you pffft

@I-HATE-ISLAM,
And as far as narcole is concerned, I still maintain that she is a 20 something person with little knowledge of Arabic per se. What is apparent is she thinks Shi'ism is shirk and visits lots of Islamic websites propagating pseudoscience. Her English is also quite 'kinky' which points to perhaps a not-so-well educated person currently located in the west. Her time-and-again referring to "time is relative" indicates she isn't well versed with the physics of Relativity since "time is relative" in itself, carries no physical sense.

@I-HATE-ISLAM,
Call me chuck. I am the same fellow. I had to register because of the new policy in place.

//That is similar to what the woman is doing here. Instead of answering questions directly, she embarks on voyages to the unknown and then parrots her favorite cliche: IT IS NOT IN ARABIC.//
Yes, very old tactics. Never succeeded though 🙂

You are the coward who has not introduced "itself" and to tell who you are. You have refused to give any indication about your nationality. Sometime age chuck said that you were a 20 something muhammadan woman living in the west, among other things. All what you said was that he was partly correct. You claim to belong to 1 out of the 73. But which 1? You have cowardly refused to mention. Your infatuation for your half baked Arabic as a sign of inferiority complex. You want to show the Arabs that you are a good slave to them by abandoning your language for theirs with the hope that it will gain you some acceptance. Maybe the boy friend who has dumped you is an Arab and you are falling over yourself to please him by showing how much can you grovel, they will never be impressed. You will always be an "ansar" to the Arab and your "bf" will despise you the more for being so cheap. SO RIDE ON TO YOUR DOOM.

@narcole1919721
//Qadha is like written formula, and qadar is the value. Capisce?//
Ha ha .. doesn't matter what metaphor you use, if the 'formula' keeps on changing the inventor of such 'formulae' is a mighty big ignorant fellow.

//Lol how could i know what and who you are since ur either too coward or to shy to introduce what you are here//
I think I have already explained that it doesn't matter what view subscribe to. You can simply assume that I am not a Muslim.

//Lets analyze for each word then yudabbiru al amra mina as samaa2i ila al ardhi thumma ya3ruju ilaihi fii yaumi kaana miqdaaruhuu alfa sanatin mimmaa ta3udduun. Which word isnt clear to you? //
As foolish as always. I didn't say I have confusion regarding the verse. You have pointed some Egyptian joker physician's (your poor knowledge of English, ought to have been 'physicist') discovery of speed of light in Quran. I read the article and found it to refer to Q 32:5 for its claim. So, if YOU have understood the article/book all so well you would be able to sustain a grilling from me. So the first question based on Q 32:5 is, it talks about 1000 years "of what you count", so what is the calender being referred to here in this verse. I maintain it is the Arabian Lunar calender of 12 synodic months. If you want to differ, state what it is with proper reasoning.

There are too many charlatans claiming to be "doctor" spell casters (80% of them from Nigeria, and the other 20% are from the rest of the world) I was tired of deleting and blocking their email and IP address. So now the policy for posting is to be registered. Once I approve the first comment, the rest of your comments will be shown automatically. Some of you don't register, this means all your comments will be held for moderation. To avoid that, just register. Once your first comment is approved, then you system will recognized you as a bona fide member.

Lol how could i know what and who you are since ur either too coward or to shy to introduce what you are here 😉 omg. Verse 32:5 again? Do you understand arabic? Lets analyze for each word then 😉 yudabbiru al amra mina as samaa2i ila al ardhi thumma ya3ruju ilaihi fii yaumi kaana miqdaaruhuu alfa sanatin mimmaa ta3udduun. Which word isnt clear to you? 🙂

@narcole1919721
//Proved what? Lol that you dont know qadha qadar concept and cant differ?//
Proved that if it is Qadha thats written in 'the book' then Allah's knowledge is not perfect. If it is Qdar then the whole concept of Judgement Day is a mighty hoax. I know more about Qadha and Qadar than you can think off.

//Foolish, you dont understand yet than one day is from shubuh until isha//
You haven't answered the question. So stop pretending that you know anything off which you are talking.

//But you keep asking using which one.//
Yes, which one?

//If arabs use qamariah calendar n western use syamsiyah, the result still relative. Dumbo.//
Ha ha… don't get confused. The verse is talking about a specific calendar. Not all calendar because they will all lead to different results. If there is one dumb person here, we know who it is.

//you call urself physician x'D//
You don't even know the difference between a physician and a physicist. Pathetic really. And I didn't call me either 🙂

//Im giving you one last chance to prove whether u understand math or not. Now answer. Where does 0 come from, and where does 1 come from//
Another irrelevant question. But I can tell you that the Arabs didn't invent 0.

So lets get back to the point, in verse 32:5 which calender is being referred?

So do you mean to say that ,Albu bakr came with the proposal of the marriage of Ayesha to Mohammed or Mohammed himself has put forward the proposal.It is your duty to clear the misunderstanding here with proof (with authentic documents). Rape means,against the consent and will of the victim to have intercourse,i hope you understood this.

Foolish, you dont understand yet than one day is from shubuh until isha, and you dont know that a year is relative too, whether its using syamsiyah or qamariah calendar. even the variable values are relative too. But you still asking which one, which one, but i repeat time for humans are also relative. But you keep asking using which one. If arabs use qamariah calendar n western use syamsiyah, the result still relative. Dumbo..you call urself physician x'D

@narcole1919721
//Still ur avoiding cos afraid pffft chucky doll is a coward.//
You can assume whatever you want to assume. It carries no weight.

//dear before talking about year, you should now about day, before talking about day you should now about second. One day in islam is from shubuh until isha ends. //
Foolish again. I asked you in Q 32:5, "of what you count" refers to a period, which? Apparently this is the Lunar year (which I agree to), since thats what Arabian/Islamic calender is. It has 12 synodic months (measured as increasing and waxing phases of moon). Do you agree to this interpretation or not? If not, then give me proper reason for not accepting and the 'correct' interpretation.

//Two twins who live at same building, but the one who lives in higher position ages faster cos the time runs faster there for her.//
Not so fast dear. Wait till we get to that point.

//Now answer my question, mr chucky *pock-pock* are you atheist//
You answer my question. I am not going to answer irrelevant questions providing you opportunity to digress and diverge the discussion.

By the way I have already proved in another thread that your Allah is not muqammal in his knowledge and in this discussion I am going to prove that his medium of communication is a quite slow one and is pretty useless.

Still ur avoiding cos afraid pffft chucky doll is a coward. 🙂 dear before talking about year, you should now about day, before talking about day you should now about second. One day in islam is from shubuh until isha ends. And do you know the relativity of time even at same place but different positions? Two twins who live at same building, but the one who lives in higher position ages faster cos the time runs faster there for her. Now answer my question, mr chucky *pock-pock* are you atheist 😉

cchuckc,
The character you are referring to is more slippery than an eel. The evasive and cynical manoeuvrings she makes to avoid issues may be good muhammadan scholarship to her and others in her group. To others who are sane, those moves amount to the scholarship of deceivers. It dates back to muhammadan antiquity. Remember that whenever Muhammad was cornered he would take refuge in the "revelation from allah" and start calling his questioners names or issued threats of hellfire. That is similar to what the woman is doing here. Instead of answering questions directly, she embarks on voyages to the unknown and then parrots her favorite cliche: IT IS NOT IN ARABIC.

@narcole1919721
//Didnt i tell you to read the physician book and tested?//
Foolish really. I asked you for a proof not a bunch load of trash. The proof you have furnished, can be easily trashed if you explain what is exactly meant by "a 1000 years of what you count" in Q 32:5. What denomination for a year is used in the Arabian Lunar calendar? Once you answer this a lot will be clear, something you clearly want to avoid.

//why not answering my question whether ur atheist or not? Shy? //
Noy shy, but I know that it carries no relevance with respect to what we are discussing here. It may be a habit with you to bring in irrelevant topics in discussion but it isn't my vocation. Thats why you will not find me asking questions regarding ethnicity, nationality or sect etc.

//no im not the first. You dont read alot//
Perhaps I don't. But speed is always measured as distance per unit time. 50000 years is only a time period. Elementary really.

Ali is unable to handle the comments. He said to Zimmerman he deleted9 out of his 10 messages becuase "zimmerman was using multiple usernames". Narcole says his notification emails are disabled. I'm getting a "moderation" message. This is a small blog website in any case and it doesnt matter. Ali thinks the world is reading what he writes but its only a handful of people.

Oh Marathon,
Certainly, u are the real mouse who never read of corpses who are declared clinically dead by the doctors n later they came back to life. And never read what they said how they felt that they floated above their bodies and saw the doctors frantically trying to revive their dead bodies.
U never had a spiritual experience because when a spirit does appear u run n hide like a mouse.
U can never explain scientifically what entities had taken up refuge in haunted houses. Because u have no gut to meet them but keep talking about your rubbish.
Human Scientific knowledge has many limitations when come to the spiritual dimension.

Muhammad was very impressed by Judaism. His Islam is an Arabized form of Judaism, which he imposed upon the Arabs. He adopted the idea of monotheistic God, ambulation, circumcision, fasting and prohibition of pig meat etc. from Judaism. Jewish Jehovah became his Allah. He also declared Jerusalem as Qibla of his prayers. He had even adopted Jewish Yom Kippur fasting, which he later discarded after discord arose with the Jews of Medina, and replaced it with fasting in Ramadan. He was highly impressed by Moses and adopted his tactic for establishing his kingdom. He was half Jewish in heart…………………..
.for the rest of the story, go to " welcome to Islam watch.

Site Administrator,
The process of approval takes far too long with the result that many comments are lost. Some of my replies to those of " narcole" have not been posted for more than 48 hours now. These did not violate the rules of this blog. Their failure to appear will certainly give the jihadist the erroneous impression that there is no response to her balderdash. I will appreciate those comments being posted please.

You are here more manly than most, because you are in opposition in minority, and you're taking many insult hits and still always come back. But Ali Sina is far more manly than you. He put his life on the line.

I speak my mind often enough but am also wise enough not to do it, when it gains me or others little and is disadvantageous to me and my relationships. Not afraid but careful of people's response. And I don;t think I know people who are NOT afraid of pain.

On the weak-strength continuum and the cowardly-courageous-line I suppose I am somewhere in the middle, average. Maybe you are too critical, even contemptuous on mankind's average.

@narcole1919721
//but also heaven calendar and angels calendar, capisce?//
So what is the heavens calendar? And what is an angels calendar?

//Read dr mansoub hassab el naby's book, an egypt physician//
A physician? A doctor of medicine can't be trusted with a subject that deals with Physics. What you want me to do is go through stuffs like these: http://theislamicworkplace.com/2010/04/04/miracle…
This has been refuted so many times that I am almost sick of doing the same stuff again. At the very basic you must tell me what is meant by "a 1000 years of what you count" in Q 32:5. Is this referring to lunar calendar of the king Arabians used to use then? Actually this verse has few scientific errors like "Ascending to him" (In extra terrestrial realm up and down has no meaning so 'ascending' is a wrong usage)

The world already knows that women, who have committed no offense whatsoever, are blown daily to pieces by jihadists/muhammadans/muslims on the orders of Muhammad which he left in his terror manual called the quran.

Muhammad, it was, who was so afraid of death that he prayed to allah to serve him from the agony of death. But allah, being deaf and dumb, could not hear him. If it heard, it refused to answer. So muhammad died as an evil doer that he was, according to his own quran which says that evil people will go through the agony of death.

@narcole1919721
//but also heaven calendar and angels calendar, capisce?//
So what is the heavens calendar? And what is an angels calendar?

//Read dr mansoub hassab el naby's book, an egypt physician//
A physician? A doctor of medicine can't be trusted with a subject that deals with Physics. What you want me to do is go through stuffs like these:&nbsp ;http://theislamicworkplace.com/2010/04/04/miracle-calculating-the-speed-of-light-from-the-quran/
This has been refuted so many times that I am almost sick of doing the same stuff again. At the very basic you must tell me what is meant by "a 1000 years of what you count" in Q 32:5. Is this referring to lunar calendar of the king Arabians used to use then? Actually this verse has few scientific errors like "Ascending to him" (In extra terrestrial realm up and down has no meaning so 'ascending' is a wrong usage)

Site Administrator,
There was hope that this site will provide the platform for the liberation of mankind by exposing and ultimately crushing the worst evil that has ever plagued humanity :muhammadanism. But since yesterday, we have watched helplessly as our comments are not posted while those by a jihadist receives every attention. This brings to memory the situation of dhimmitude which Sina has preached against. At this stage it is difficult to comprehend what is happening. Has this site been taken over or surrendered to the jihadists?

You are the personification of lies. Your epileptic idiotic 'prophet' sent a worthless letter to the Negus of Abyssinia as he did to the Byzantine Emperor asking them to convert to muhammadanism and both, of course, shunned the fool. You are either vastly ignorant of your own texts or you are a consummate liar. You are the slave to a conman who died the worst kind of death.

Many ethiopians or al habsy have become mukmins, prophet even sent letter to ethiopian king and the king converted to islam. Even many al habsy around me and religious. You made up things again, namimah slave.

Lol you didnt get that i was asking same questions to you too by asking how many seconds in a day. The point is to lead you state the relativity by ur questions. To answer previous questions of haters questions, about which one is true, 1000 or 50000. But he didnt get that 1 day can be relative depends on each dimension. If u ask me which calendar, i knew the calculation would give different result from other calendar. I wasnt talking about calendars on earth, but also heaven calendar and angels calendar, capisce? Read dr mansoub hassab el naby's book, an egypt physician, and see which he uses then result he got. Compare with other scientists who got different results cos the values could change. Also read bible that supports this too. are you atheist? 😉

Meanwhile, Muhammad the prophet of allah was epileptic. Whenever he had a fit he would claim to have had a 'revelation' and the illiterate Arabs did not know the difference between an epileptic attack and a trance. Some ignorant ones believed him. But a good number saw through the falsehood and called it what it was :a massive fraud. The conman did not hesitate to wreck his vengeance on anyone who challenged his lies.

NDE = Someone almost died but actually did not die. During that time they had some mental processes in the brain, which they later recalled when they were conscious. Nothing "extraordinary" about it. You dont need a spirit or external consciousness for that.
You have no scientific backing for what you're saying. If you think "beliefs" are acceptable, I believe you are actually a mouse in human form.

You do not just deny but entomb the truth. Language expertise is not a sine qua non to be on this site. You are not the administrator of this site to start imposing conditions. Don't try to impose yourself as one. Stop being a busy body and officious.

//"He said this is wrong, that is wrong, but he didnt say what is right."//
//'Why should i support such person?"//

very good points! It seems that way to many. But my opinion is that Ali Sina is in favor of quite a few wonderful, positives goals for humanity, as am I. And only because he sees (parts of) Islam and Muslims as:

Competition now and in future, threat, danger, blockade to his positive goals for mankind,

He is against Islam and tries to eradicate it, with his strategy to malign or expose Muhammad. Pity that most Muslims AND Westerners only see him as being negative.

and believing in wonderful, breath taking, modern, well substantiated (by brilliant minds, doing professional investigation and logical thinking) theories about history of earth and mankind. Satisfying to the highest possible diligent minds.

Or at least favoring that over much less substantiated, much less wonderful TALES, from ancient times. Yeah you are a KAFIR to that, closed-minded to that.

Wow! Good of you to both earn that kind of money and donating it! Good riddance of your boyfriend. It gives you time to do your jihad and comment here and boost number of posts here. I think it gives a bit of meaning to your life.

And now we know that somehow you are under heavy pressure and considering moving because of it. You are at some sort of crossroads in your life, where important decisions have to be made. Why not overhaul your entire life and belief while you are at it?

Narcole, what if he is murdered, harassed? By Muslims? Which you must admit is likely to happen. Ali Sina will then be unhappy, on the run again-hiding again, or dead.

You have to realize that infidels KNOW that you Muslims logically PROPHIT from the silencing or death of this leader, this powerful opponent.

While at the same time you will deny that the harassers or killers are Muslims or Real Muslims. But the PROPHITING OF MUSLIMS OF DISABLING A POWERFUL OPPONENT makes your challenges to him so hypocritical in the eyes of infidels.

And especially when it is not necessary at all for Ali Sina to debate. Robert Spencer and David Wood can already openly debate devastatingly to Muslims, with 98 % coverage of Ali Sina's knowledge.

You describe intimidation and blackmail by Allah (and thus of Muslims) for promoting "belief" and following Islam as overpowering search for highest truth with Brain, offering proof, honest competition with other religions, ways of life.

You show contempt or indifference (or ignorance) for democratic laws. Or about their effectivity perhaps. I say that they are of the people, by the people, for the people (Quote of Abraham Lincoln).

I remind you that there are only a limited number of alternatives to democratic laws in countries. There is tribal society, there is energy, and since civilization began (# 5500 years ago in Uruk) there is the rule of Kings and elite, often in collaboration of priests; dictatorship.

I don't see you coming up with any OTHER, let alone better, alternative to the full democratic system, that also is functioning in the real world, and not just in your fantasy.

And that means that if you oppose this system, then: You talk and behave either ignorant, nihilistic OR IN FAVOR OF A THEOCRATIC DICTATORIAL SYSTEM. Like in Iran! Or in Afghanistan in the days of the Taliban!

But these theocratic Islamic regimes do not treat women equal as men and do not allow freedom of speech. Something you must be in favor of.

I think you have tough choices to make, and on essentials have to choose good infidels over bad Muslims (you can do it, you call Iranians rafidah and Muslim men practitioners of jahiliah). And I think staying neutral on such issues can make you very vulnerable, without help, to the real alligators of the world.

"-AND MY BF LEFT ME FOR THINKING THATS STUPID–WHILE SUFFERING HERE BEING PUSHED BY ALL PEOPLE AROUND ME TO TAKE BACK THE MONEY AND SHARE WITH THEM. I HAVE TO MOVE TO OTHER PLACE COS OF THEIR TERROR".
It is now doubtless that your are psychologically imbalanced and the source of that is having been dumped, like a bad habit that you are, by your boy friend because of your eccentricity. Some days ago you were here telling the world that you let your 'bf' get a job while you prefer to complete your masters program. When did he dump you? Having to relocate means that you are a coward. Why could you not stay and face your adversaries, after all they were only against you giving out your own money? Don't those who opposed you know the muhammadan concept of zakat to mean "charity" or donation to terrorism? Your suffering is really getting the better part of you so, as I said before, you run to this site for psychological protection. POOR CHILD. YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHY.

//"You dont speak up ur mind in real life. Ur also a coward. Ur afraid of peoples response, ur also afraid of pain'//

Weak? Certainly not perfect I admit, I hope average on weak-strong-line. Afraid of people's responses? Well, due to my own imperfection (I may be stupidly wrong if I am careless), yes, I am careful about what I say. To remain in good relations I also am careful what I speak about. Also I have noticed people often are not interested in certain topics or only want simplicity, brevity on them. But there where I have firm convictions I tend to be self-assured and outspoken, even if I am in minority.

By far most people are afraid of pain and sensible to responses of other people most of the time (when it is not necessary to take a moral stand, which I occasionally do).

So with your post you really denigrate the average weakness-strnength and cowardice-courage of people, which shows your own contempt for average humans.

I suppose HERE you are more manly than almost all. (But of course Ali Sina is much, much more manly than you here). If that means defending a minority view HERE against the hostile majority. I already gave you compliments for it.

@narcole1919721,
//You are also a racist, nizam. You said you are humanitarist? iblis is racist too.//
But so are you. You believe Arabic and the Arabs are superior to others. You also believe that off the 73 sects yours only is the correct one.

Allah Joketh to Muhammad that he is God. Al-Ham-Du-Beef,Chicken and Vegetables. When in fact Muhammad be a Liar to all humanity and just Kiddeth to you. Leaveth Islam today and join Humanity. Ali Sina And Richard Dawkins are the disposer of Affairs and the flushers of toilets and the Givers of Tips in fine restaurants. Lo! He knows everything.I mean, LOL, He doesnt know anything.

I can see that. You have tendency to be a moslem. But ur nafs being obstacles, you dont like rules. You want freedom. Then you make democracy as rules. Once again, you write dont read this, and you read it already.

Muslim men do not? They dont support cos they still apply jahiliyah tradition before prophet came. even arab kings still apply jahiliyah traditions. They say they are moslems but they mix islam with jahil customs.

For me, choosing good Muslims over bad infidels happens all the time, it is a no-brainer. And I am with many infidels, including posters here, my family, colleagues, people I know. And the vast majority of them also often choose good Muslims over bad Infidels, often much more than I like.

To be more precise; in many respects I can be a better person for you to agree with than Muslims who are worse in those respects than me. For instance I support full equality for women and women education. And I know many Muslim men (especially in Muslim countries) do NOT. And in this I am in full agreement with virtually all infidel posters here.

I had plenty of guts, because I was so eager. But the subject of criticiizing Islam turned out to be too sensitive for all Muslims I tried it with almost all the time. As if all criticism on Islam was taboo, haram if you will. Plenty of topics I could discuss with them, but not this topic..

Same with the many ordinary Westerners. You appreciate I think deep clarity but also brevity. And most people did not have patience for details for clarity. And so on the topic of detailed balanced criticism on Islam, but only in favor of Democracy and Science, almost all people I tried it with quit, long before I was willing to quit.

OK, that 's your opinion of your prophet. Do you have empathy that followers & friends of Ali Sina & Robert Spencer etc. also have highly favorite opinion of them or of the causes they fight FOR?

Then can you see that those leaders and their followers are more tolerant than Mohammed and many Islamic leaders and clerics and ordinary Muslims? Those counterjihadist leaders & followers don't have deathpenalty for apostasy and they obey tolerant laws to all, except for Muslims and others who themselves have intolerant or anti-democratic laws.

Kafir means denial rejection or burrying. So if i deny or reject ur ideology. Means im kafir in atheism or politheism. But a mukmin in islam. And it means ur a kafir in islam. Btw did you measure ur linguistic intelligence? Are you sure you passed language exam well? 🙂

If Ali Sina and atheists/ christians/ buddhists/ hindus/ jews here find the Islam-interpretations untrue or morally reprehensible, you at times unwittingly agree with that. And then both they and you are in opposition to many dhal Muslims who find the same Islam-interpretations true and morally admirable.

Excellent. Judas has now been made a prophet of muhammadanism. "Prophets" are now created both life and posthumously. Mizra Ghulam Ahmad and Rashad Khalifa are the latest muhammadan prophets. That further exposes Muhammad's lie that he was his allah's last prophet.

I disagree, but be that as it may;
– Slave of Prophet talked about Allah choosing the Arabs for being the most scientific when Muhammad received his mission; in 610 CE.
– And I talked about the modern period. Modern people better follow the modern winners, not the past winners.
– the scale of progress in modern times is so much bigger and faster than in the previous historical periods that it is unreasonable to treat them as equal in size, speed and influence I think.

Of course you do not support Ali Sina or Robert Spencer consciously, no.

I meant you at times agree with, confirm and support them unwittingly. Like in your rejection of "Flat Earth", and morally reprehensible interpretations of texts in Quran-Hadiths-Sira. (Only you try to provide a different interpretation of same texts, they try to show how bad Islam is with these texts).

You know I am favor of free speech including at times "speech that hurts feelings", but that can be balanced with positive speech and it is the aggragate that counts, I think. So I prefer a mix of both types.

But you seem to be against both hurting feelings AND positive speech. What remains?

Insults are legitimate under freedom of speech. for all sides. But limited to Internet, tv, newspapers-magazines, maybe conferences. They are not welcome on the streets, workplaces, in the homes, against people's will.

Other than that democratic people do not bite if not themselves attacked. It is more likely that you were brainwashed in Majlis Ta3lim to distrust ALL infidels. But your teachers told you that because of their interest in keeping you in Islam, and you in opposition to their competitors, the democratic people. You are too paranoid to the democratic people and too naive to your teachers. In part because you'r young.

What better societal system do you propose? For educated, informed people, who like to express themselves critically?

The Islamic Shariah system? This is one of the dictatorial systems. Where did that ever work better than the democratic system? In reality, not just in your mind's idealism? Maybe this is for the primitive mind, as it was the norm in most of history, before massive education.

The only other alternatitves for the democratic system I see are anarchy or a primitive tribal system.

//"What you give is what you'll get. If a person insults someones mother, it means hes insulting his own mother. cos other will insult his mother too. Its karma. By blackening prophets name, it means sina is blackening his own name."//

This may be wise in a context where people deliberately hurt the feelings of others.

But how about hating the bad? And reacting to the bad? You think someone who says hateful things always started? You think Ali Sina started?

Freedom of speech is also about reacting to bad deeds, oppression and about exposure of bad people. IN A NON-VIOLENT WAY!

Free speech may be at times loathsome to you, but it is always better than physically hurting or killing people.

And when humans are behaving violent and oppressive to others, and free speech is blocked, history shows that victims had no other reaction available than either become subservient-apathetic or rise violently.

But the beauty of freedom of speech is that people can react to bad governments and people with words, instead of with apathy or violence. And it works, violence is indeed diminishing in democratic countries and between them, per capita. I read that in the book of Steven Pinker called "The better angels of our nature".

I know you don't believe this, but you now know why I think free speech including insulting is a very good policy and right of people.

@narcole1919721,
//i thought u knew the formulas.//
I didn't even get to any formula yet. I am asking you what you are considering as a day, Sidereal or Solar? They are different you know? Also when you say 1000 years what temporal denomination are you using. A solar or a lunar year and so forth. If you don't even know what these are what values will you put in your fictitious formulas? And then you have to consider that the current average values have changed over the millenia and they keep changing.

//Ur questions answered that time is relative.//
You say this a lot. As if you know what that means. Time is relative to what, in which frame of reference? I tell you, the subject is too complicated for you.

//We were talking about one day on earth but you found urself confused one day on earth using which calendar.//
Off course. Its not a confusion, its a question. When you say a 'day; you have to tell me what denomination/calender you are using. All values are different from each other.

//50000 years for angels speed also like that//
Which years. Years from which calender?

Having to edit all the comments posted here is a welcome development. It cannot be imagined that any muhammadan site will tolerate a tiny fraction of the rudeness shown by muhammadan commentators on this site. Weeding unwholesome comments is not censorship but being sensible. It was beginning to appear as if this site was accepting dhimmitude while giving the impression that it was fighting the evil.
Having said that, one is also concerned that the editing process may become something else. Comments posted at least 3 hours ago in response to those of my adversaries are yet to be published. The process should not take that long.

To the administrator
if you wish censorship for too long on a simple comment ,then i can say only ,i bade goodby to this site. And my only final comment would be that ,this is not ," democratic site " ,any further bye.

Marathon,
U are the real idiot. U cannot come to terms with the fact that human spirits do exist n are haunting houses. U dare not go n experience them yourself n keep talking BS here. Without spirits there will be no such thing as NDE or rather TDE.

OK you have every right to curse anybody as mad Mohammed has granted you the permission .I do not offended by it ha ha ha. I only wish to show the audience how your cussing tournament begin and i think i have achieved it ha ha ha.

So baby, i don't know who i am till date bodily and, i have a shape of a human animal ,so you may call me human. i have no habit of repetitions of relaying things again and again .I woke up early morning have a cup of tea and,then think this is my last day on earth and so i have only 24 hours to spend in and,how best i can utilize this time for my betterment as well for the society as whole,that's all .

Excellent. Judas is now a prophet of muhammadanism. So new prophets can be installed both live and posthumously after the premier impostor. People like Ghulam Ahmad and lately Rashad Khalifa also became prophets of muhammadanism.

Satan the prince of deception changed its name to allah and deceived the world that he was God. It appointed Muhammad its prophet and he is in hell now and on the day of resurrection all his followers will be led by him into everlasting doom. Allah/Muhammad says that it is the best deceiver.

Slave mentality,
Muhammad was only the prophet of the idol allah who has no authority to issue a decree on Jesus. Muhammad died a degraded death to show that he was no prophet of GOD. He is already burning in hell and only those of you who follow him will burn with him there.

And as per this you are also making kufr so you also kafir, and everyone can ask to Slave of Prophet that Narcole is telling a lie about Quran or Not? Because he is also reading Arabic Quran and he never found earth is round but it is you who telling among us that my quran say earth is round.

Bond008, you're an idiot. I said NDE's exist. These are experience "near death". However a soul/spirit does not exist. – if you have any decent amount of IQ, you should understand those are two different things.
Ali said he will prove the existence of a soul/external consciousness in the future. I dont think that is true. We will see how he can do that.

Muhamadans are the infidels who killed great scientists and took their inventions. That is what history has recorded. If there had been any development by muhammadans, it would have been evident in their homeland. But there is nothing there. The muhammadans have to rely on the products of superior systems to live in the modern era.

@Hate monger
Jesus who was prophet should have been followed by people till 7th century but after birth of Prophet Muhammad Jesus replaced by him. And Allah made a provision that from 7th century to the date of resurrection prophet Muhammad should be followed by all humans otherwise they will in eternal hell. But Christians still stuck to prophet Jesus which is gate of hellfire.

i gave the conclusion of the link that muhammadans helped trigger the revival of learning in Europe. The muhammadans translated the works of Aristotle who was a European. They were not the originators of what he postulated. You did not read the link. If you had and new that it would go against you, there would never have been any reference to it. Why did you not mention that the muhammadans succeeded because of the political and cultural advancement they met on ground? Not less than 90% of that link is devoted to wars. What development do wars bring? They are only beneficial to muhammadans who are adept at plundering. There is mention of ur Rashud, who was a poet. Science and poetry do not mean the same thing.

@saket
Mad was your Buddha who never worshiped Allah and denied in the existence of Allah. Buddha, Gandhi, Einstein will be in eternal hell fire because they were non-believer. Allah can forgive all sins except non-belief in him & Prophet (PBUH).

I see. So u meant it was judas who got crucified and then got called jesus by the christians. Yes, judas will enter hell, judas jesus. But not jesus isa. Okay, i guess this misunderstanding came from no specific name.

@narcole
Brother, Jesus which was mentioned by prophet(PBUH) was a worshiper of Allah and prophet of his time. But Jesus as shown by Christians & non-believers like Ali Sina had no existence. Bible we read today also corrupted. In Bible have you ever read Jesus worshiped Allah? That is why I said Jesus which is portrayed by Christians and non-believers must be eternal hellfire for not worshiping Allah.

Do you know why infidels are called kafir? Cos they hide seeds. You obviously hiding seeds now. Why only showing those, why not show the rest which related to the question of demsci about who brought science first? I did read that. But did i hide? Thanks for showing that you obviously hiding. About those statements, i wont deny that in moslems, there fasiqin and munafiqin. And i already explained that. But look the point here, you are hiding the truth that the west took science from moslems 🙂

2. Arab learning only helped trigger "A REVIVAL OF LEARNING IN EUROPE".
That does not sound like much of positive contribution. For something to be revived, it must have originally existed. The muhammadans met an already developed system and some of the infrastructure built by the Romans is evident in many parts of Europe today. There are roads in England dating back to the Roman era. The muhamadan caliphs and potentates spent much time fighting to defend their plunders and paid little attention to development. If they were so development conscious, how did it happen that their land of origin remained ever so backward? Whatever achievements are attributed to the muhammadans were as a result of conquest where they pilfered what they did not destroy and claimed credit for them. MUHAMMADANISM HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING POSITIVE TO HUMANITY.

Oh my god, i thought u knew the formulas. But before doing calculation using which, at first you should know the formulas and variables values. Now, im asking basic, how many seconds is in one day? Sounds simple, but without knowing the real value we cant do the math and get real answer. 1 day is 1000 years in heaven. Back to the question which one day on earth which is 1000 years and related to speed of light? Ur questions answered that time is relative. 1 day here, and on other planets not same. We were talking about one day on earth but you found urself confused one day on earth using which calendar. 50000 years for angels speed also like that, using which dimension? Ur questions answered haters questions already. Capisce?

Dear, did you read surah maryam in quran? Didnt it clearly mention about her son as prophet sent by god? im here not to attack you. Although you dont understand quran, but i know ur here from good niyat, that you love god and his prophet. Eventhough ur doing it in wrong way. But i appreciate ur niyat.

That link says, among others, that as at the time of the muhammadan conquest of Spain,there was an already highly developed political and cultural system, courtesy of the Roman period. It goes on to add: "AN ARAB GENERAL, TARIQ, WAS SENT INTO SPAIN WITH A FORCE OF UNRULY NORTH AFRICAN BERBERS—BY THE SAME TOKEN, THE MOORISH CONQUEST AND ITS AFTERMATH TO c800 SEEM TO HAVE BEEN A FAIRLY DESTRUCTIVE AND CHAOTIC PERIOD IN SPANISH HISTORY–THUS THEY(BERBERS) OFTEN PLUNDERED AND DESTROYED AT WILL—THE ARAB RULERS AND OFFICERS TREATED THE BERBERS AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, TAKING THE BEST LANDS AND LIONS' SHARE OF THE PLUNDER THEMSELVES".

@narcole1919721
You end up showing how zahil you are :-).. You were talking about days and years and I asked you which days and which years to consider. Once you have fixed that we can discuss about that. The question of nafs isn't related. Kafirs are, by virtue of not muslims are in nafs-i-mutma'inna, unlike you.

@Narcole
____See how infidels laughing at you______
Infidels laughed on my prophet Muhammad (PBUH) too. They had to pay for this. How many pagans now in Arbia land? I do not get in their influence. Allah was aware about it that is why he sent the revelation to prophet "dont keep company of unbelievers."
//You said jesus will burn in hell//
I meant to the Jesus which is popular now in Christians. Can you cite single verse where Jesus read Shahada/Kalama? How can be he in heaven without worshiping Allah?
//i wont blame sina or others for insulting such dhal moslems//
You wont blame because you are in their influence. You are doing exact opposite what prophet said. If today science claiming earth is round you twisted the meaning of Quran words and mixed the tone with non-believers. If yesterday non-believer say earth is flat you will claim earth is flat mentioned in Quran too. You are a sheep.
//But please specify which moslem//
Muslims are those who have devout belief in prophet Muhammad, Allah and Quran.
//I dont know whos ur prophet//
How many were the last prophet? I think you do not know even prophet Muhammad who was the last prophet sent by almighty Allah.

Stupid girl we are not here to change your heart and mind which is filled with dirt of Islam.We do not disturb mad man on road we knew he cant be made sane .We allow him to live his way of life.But when that mad man started throwing stone at people for not following him then, it is unbearable .If you want to be silent mad wo/man we have no problem adjusting with you, don't worry.

I will accept this challenge only if you leave the money in screw with a lawyer of my choice. You are just an anonymous person. I am not going to waste time with anonymous persons. If still you want to debate put your money somewhere to show you are serious. In my case I am known. If I refuse to pay I will be expose publicly. In your case? There is no risk for you. You just reappear with another user name.

@Challange to Ali Sina US$ 100000
Ali Sina I do not give much weight your debates with non-Arabic Muslim scholars. I do not think you have had ever debate with any true Arab's decedent. I openly challenge you to refute me. It is I who will give you 100000 US$ if you win and you do not need to give anything to me If you loose. My claims are Islam is only true religion, Quran is only holy book in the world, Prophet Muhammad was a holy man, a saint, a scientist, a philosopher, a philanthropist, a brave warier, world greatest person ever born.

Where is the proof that what you said happened? As one who is fascinated by youtube, where is the youtube evidence? The man is not here to defend himself so any lie can be heaped on him. Besides, assuming but without conceding that it ever happened, the man being a shiite would have been afraid for his life and preferred to avoid further argument with you. You are busy on this site claiming that your sect (whichever that is) is the only correct one out of the 73.As for the man working with jinns and you being followed by them, such things are in the muhammadan tradition. Muhammad said he had a jinn while one of his companions said he had a satan. How do you expect jinns to be distant from anything muhammadan?

The science of murder and theft. The science of zamzam water. The illiterate muslims who could not write and had to destroy advance cultures to make way for their backwardness. Where were they when the "infidels killed them"?

Win prize what? $50000. i received more than that this year, and i gave those for education for my people. and my bf left me for thnking thats stupid. and people still dont know whos behind that. While me sufering here being pushed by all people around me to take back the money and share with them instead. I have to move to other place cos of their terror.

@narcole1919721,
//Quran did explain that shouldnt be friends with zalim infidels//
As per Quran, infidels are never innocent purely by virtue of being disbeliever. So a distinction between zalim and innocent infidels doesn't even arise. Read or hear any lecture by Anjem Choudhury!!

//"Did you critisize islam when ur among them? Did you have the guts?"// O yes, and guts enough. But the problem was that the Muslims I talked soon got angry with me, so I had to learn to avoid the topic of discussing Islam in a critical way (or Israel in a favorable way) or face continuous enmity from them. Same with fellow Westerners who defended Islam.

At times Muslims and Political Correct people were prepared to discuss Islam critically with me, but then they always quit. I often knew more than they and they really did not want to go in all the details necessary to get to a sound conclusion.

Congratulations, Narcole. You have reached a GREAT conclusion. Robert Spencer on JihadWatch is already joking almost every day that AGAIN he found some Muslims who MISUNDERSTOOD ISLAM as explained to the world by Islam-apologists. Interpreting verses of Quran-Hadiths-Sira on laws and tenets in Islam, in agreement with "islamophobes" like him, and disagreement with Islam-apologists.

Why do Muslims disagree? Is it genuine difference or because of Taqqiya to infidels by the Islam-apologists? At least it is great that Narcole now also see this disagreement.

I think you have to spell out more precise who agrees or disagrees about rightness of interpretation but also about truth or falsehood of interpretation.

So Slave of Prophet (SoP) of course thinks his interpretation of Islam is true and Counterjihadists and even some Muslims believe is interpretation of Islam is false. SoP DISAGREES here.

And about the moral calibre and truth of the interpretation of certain Holy Islamic texts from Muslims like SoP Counterjihadists and Muslims like Narcole AGREE. That is why Islam-apologists offer different interpretations of the same holy texts.

And they often pretend to the world that it is only the counterjihadist that concluded the "wrong interpretations", and thus MISUNDERSTOOD ISLAM, but SoP several times already showed that he understood some Islamic holy texts just the same as counterjihadists.

SoP AGREES with counterjihadists like Sakat, who learned from Ali Sina et al, about the interpretation of MEANING of certain Islamic Holy Texts. So Sakat says SoP may well be right in that respect. But of course Sakat disagrees with SoP on Islam being a true religion.

Both islam and democracy have sects. There democracy in islam too. You think my sect can come over to you. But i dont think your animal democracy can come over to me. you cant prove alligators dont bite. In fact you bite already with insults.

What you give is what you'll get. If a person insults someones mother, it means hes insulting his own mother. cos other will insult his mother too. Its karma. By blackening prophets name, it means sina is blackening his own name. While prophet will always have sholawat for him. moslems increase, so do iman and 3lm.

Well, about the origine of science we can agree to disagree, but there can be no doubt, in which part of the world, science started to rise to great heights in the 17th until the 20th century, dwarfing all previous science and a shining example for all mankind. And that part of the World was the West!

And Muslims prophited greatly from that, but still they could have learned so much more from the West, in democracy too, while now many Islamic countries fell or stayed behind in development, like the UN reported in 2003 or so.

Countries like Japan and Israel did learn from the West and they are very prosperous now. Israel is investing the most per capita in research & development of the world and really shines against the darkness of Islamic countries around her.

Here is the link to Ibrahim Buleihi, explaining that arrogant Arabs think they only have something to teach the world, not to learn from it, while by learning to follow the example of the West they could be like Japan and Israel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0CeResVB4

There is only one islam sect that is right, from 73 sects. support ali sina? who is he? What is he? He said this is wrong, that is wrong, but he didnt say what is right. He cant answer all ghaib questions. He cant help himself either. He doesnt know about his life destination. Why should i support such person?

That cos he didnt read quran completely. Quran did explain that shouldnt be friends with zalim infidels. But should live in peace with innocent infidels, and protect innocent infidels if they seek sanctuary from moslems. but islam also teaches moslems not to split with moslems who got misled, but guide them instead. but if they are too stubborn and cocky in defending their pride instead of defending islam itself, then thats where we should split. I dont know whether slave is too cocky and stubborn to accept 3lm from a woman.

Darwinism and ur democracy which support insults and hurting others, arent for humans, but animals. Im clearly emphasizing once again im a human, khalifah on earth, not animal. If u like darwinism and freedom in badness then live in forest. Be tarzan or anything.

Did you critisize islam when ur among them? Did you have the guts? I met a shiite sheikh who said hes learning religion not from humans, but from queen balqis and prophet khidirs spirits, they help him in life, creating miracles. After some observations toward his teaching about islam, which so dhal, and away from real islam, but he kept defending that solomons wife and khidr themselves who told him. actually i understood the process of his miracles include the steps, its not cos hes a holy man, hes helped by jins. So i told him infront of his followers, that hes dhal, balqis and khidir he said, were jins. Its haram learning religion from abstract objects. hes not a sheikh, but a wizard. I clearly said it infront of his followers. But then he f me off cos one by one his followers left him. When i was on the way home, i got followed by jins who smelled so bad, and also showed apce. while people so afraid of his magic. Did you have the same guts? i got casted black magic several times by dhallin whom i preached. But im not afraid. Cos god is with me. infidels are so afraid of death with its pain. While mukminin arent afraid of death nor its pain. Mukminin only afraid if their faith get weakened.

@narcole1919721,
//i wanna test chuck later too. Whether he is really a master of physics//
You are yet to answer me about the nature of the years (Sidereal, Lunar etc) and the days I have asked for yesterday!!
I understand physics, yes, and anything that has to with Mathematics.

I did write, only god knows what they did before. You dont know whether he already investigated the victim or not. And even if without investigation, he killed the victim cos the victim was guilty but no proofs but in fact really guilty, then michael was lucky in russian roulette. But if in fact he really randomly shot innocent infidel, then hes wrong. And it will be god who will punish him in dunia and akhirat.

*rolls eyes* what do you know about the origin of science. its started from moslems. Then infidels killed them and stole their books. and copied the books and burned the real books and threw to the sea. Come on. Ur name is demsci. But science came from moslems, but u didnt know.

//"hes guilty if the guy was really innocent and never hurt moslems. But hes not guilty if the guy ever killed innocent moslems. So how to judge it? By questioning the victims deeds before. Only god knows. But if there proofs that the guy was not innocent, so its okay in islam. but if the guy was really innocent, then michael was dhal. '//

Look, judging, questioning the victims deed, presenting proofs etc, that can only happen in a proper fair trial! The soldier never had that, Michael A. had never met or investigated LEE RIGBY before!!!

So, if you mean what you say, Michael A. was a murderer by your and most people's standards, executing the soldier without a fair trial.

"Oh, Narcole, look then at the other infidels", the political correct ones". They have so much more "sweet tongue" to you Muslims. Many of them, especially the Left, but also in my family, among my colleagues, support you Muslims against us.

I am just someone in between "political-correct, nice-to-Muslims"people and Counterjihadists. Of course then I write with a mixture of respect and criticism. My own mayor is Muslim, I live in Rotterdam, with 600.000 people, with 100.000 Muslims. I am surrounded by Muslims almost everyday, everywhere.

How can you or people here expect me here not to respectfully speak to Muslims then?
Yet, how can people expect me not to criticize Islam at the same time? If I have the opinion that Islam (at least a part of it) is in competition with both Darwinism and Democracy, which I love?

//"If robert spencer and other minority say this and that, but my sect says the opposite, cos my quran isnt like what you say, so what?"//

But Narcole, don't you see? YOU, in being in contradiction with another group of Muslims on explanations of holy texts means that YOU are in agreement with Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and posters here.

Because you disagree with the counterjihadists that verses of Quran-Hadiths-Sira mean something they say these texts mean,

but you do that because you AGREE with them that these meanings would EMBARRASS Islam/ Mohammed/ Muslims if they were true. So you do agree with Ali Sina et al about the "badness" of the explanations Ali Sina et al ascribe to some Holy texts, you only disagree that these texts MEAN those explanations.

But Slave of Prophet agrees that those texts have the meanings Ali Sina et al believe they have, only Slave of Prophet believes them to be "good" and Ali Sina et al believe them to be "bad".

Nizam,
Michael Hart, who is greatly adored by muhamadans, says that Muhammad wrote the quran. Muhammadans believe that their allah wrote the evil book. But when they applaud Michael Hart, they are confirming that Muhammad is allah. For that reason, the quran cannot contain anything other than hate and crime as these are reflections of who Muhammad was and who allah still is.

//"Im only with good moslems. And with good infidels live together in peace."//

That says NOTHING! The point is that you at times should side with GOOD INFIDELS against BAD Muslims. You enjoyed education, you should be on that point with infidels heavily investing and practicing education for girls and you should be against Taliban who shot Malalah Jusufzai

One of such miracles was the miraj/mirage. That a man who returned from a trip could not describe a building he had just visited. Instead he burst into a fit of anger when asked about what he saw until allah miraculously presented him with a temple which no longer existed having been destroyed 500 years before then. He went on to "answer" the questions asked. Muhammadanism is very rich in miracles which some four year old children will consider too childish to be believed.

" In the eyes of Allah non-believers are worst of creatures. Allah guided us
"O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as your protecting friends (auliya): they are only protecting friends of one another. Whoever of you disobeys this commandment will be counted as one of them. Surely God does not guide the wrongdoers." (Qur’an; 5:51) "

Slave of prophet is agreeing with Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, David Wood and many posters here again!

Mind you, he is in favor of the practice of this guidance of Allah, Quran 5;51 and they are exposing that guidance and practice as bad. But Slave of Prophet AGREES with Ali Sina et al about the MEANING of this verse. And he got his opinion from Arabic texts. But according to Narcole he must be Dhal (Dull?).

And so Slave of Prophet goes against so many Islam-apologists, like Shabeer here, his fellow Indian, who declares mighty at length that that verse was only meant for the time of Mohammed.

Slave of Prophet, how can that be? at 570-632 AD there existed the Byzantine empire and the Persian empire, encompassing Greece, Constantinople, EGypt, Iraq, Iran. Also there was then a great Indian culture. And what about the Chinese, they may have been the ultimate civilization at that time, they won't be pleased with what you asserted about the Arabs being the most scientific & civilized people back then.
Who had the best and most universities, libraries, philosophers, traditions, literate people???

The reason you gave cannot have been Allah's reason, maybe Muslims can think of another reason, but not that one. Anyway since when did you, or Allah, or Muslims, appreciate science so much?

"Which islam?" Yes, yes, I too think there is great diversity among Muslims, about interpretation of Quran-Hadiths-Sira on many issues, so there could be "many Islam's". You are helping me with that. Many Muslims and counterjihadists maintain there is only ONE Islam. Recep Tayyip Erdogan also said that there is "only one Islam".

Daniel Pipes and many others distinquish between Ordinary Muslims and Islamists and he is definitely against the "Islam-interpretation- and practice" of the Islamists. But to date not much evidence arises to support Pipes' his hope that "Islam can reform" and become compatible with democracy, UNdeclaration of Human Rights, Golden Rule. Some democratic Muslims do exist (like Zuhdi Jasser and Irshad Manji, Tarek Fatah), but they have little support. I bet you, Narcole, would not trust them and call them "alligators" offering you to protect you from tigers".

Yet, by not supporting them Muslims more or less prove Ali Sina right and so support him. And also Anjem Choudary.

I am glad that you are here. It is undeniable that you boost the number of posts here enormously. I hope you help boost the number of readers too.

And you do it heavily outnumbered against a hostile crowd. You keep getting dislikes. Yet you go on. I respect that. and you deserve being the person with by far the most attention.

If our team did the same on pro-Islam-websites I would respect that too, because there our team would get vicious, insulting reactions and be heavily outnumbered. And I suspect the pro-Islam-websites would censor much sooner and much more than Ali Sina

//"But you cant deny that theres limit of democracy in life"// I admit that. But I think it is the best system mankind so far has. Are you sure your sect can't come over to us? Democracy can tolerate (most of) Islam if Islam can tolerate democracy over Muslims.

//"And look at you and other infdels, keep cursing other prophet. Is that such attitude budha and jesus taught you all to? Such attitude?"//

I Understand. No, I suppose they did not teach such attitude to Mohammed. I never heard anyone say that Buddha or Jesus taught that, just the opposite, I suppose.

But there is always a but … Ali Sina considers "blackening" Mohammed's name a good strategy. Yes, for hurting Muslims' feelings, and let them start to think and question Islam. Which he wants to eradicate. He sees it as a good strategy. But remember; in his view Islam competes with, threathens and attacks, and blocks: What He cherishes most, what He wants for future mankind. He is for something positive and because of that against Islam. And because of that he is extremely insulting about Mohammed. Or so I understood.

I know this is shocking to Muslims. But in Democracy this is legal and done all the time with other great leaders, including Jesus. You wouldn't believe how much the socialists in my countries used to insult Jesus and the feelings of Christians (I know, back then I and my whole family were Christian) in the end of 20th century.

Democratic people often insult great people, other politicians, and they don't accept that Mohammed is made the one exception, who is too sacred, holy, protected for/ by Muslims, who cannot be legally insulted.

In Democracy no one, no Muslims, have the right to NOT be hurt in their feelings, they have no right of protection for their hurt feelings when their most sacred person is insulted. This comes from the rule of freedom of speech, arguably democracy's most important law.

That is the miracle of Islam. Islam can be anything Muslims want it to be. It all depends on situations. Muhammad himself was apt at this situational ethics. He revealed verses for the moment and revealed something entirely different for another situation, allowing Muslims to pick and choose any verse they want for the situation that they need. If this is not a miracle then what is?

//"Why doesnt west itself give democracy for moslems? You betray your own democracy."//

It is a matter of policy to give Muslims in any democratic state absolute equal rights under the law as all other citizens. And Muslims got plenty "political correct" Western defenders to assure this.

But in Islamic countries the people seem somehow not yet "ready for democracy" as George Bush discovered in Iraq. High enough Education and free press and perhaps long practice seem essential for democracy without which people are not ready for it, it seems. But George Bush thought he could blow Saddam and bring Democracy to Iraq.

When Soviet Union existed the West could often only choose to let a country be dictatorial and for the Soviet Union or dictatorial and for the West. The Soviet Union almost never supported any democracy, the West supported many (they made West Germany and Japan democracies). After 1991 (fall of Soviet Union) The West supported and supports more and more democracies.

But yes, sadly there are examples that Western corporations and governments at times have cynically betrayed democracy. Traitors! But not as much and as widespread as many Muslims say, I think.

//"Can islam have democracy in determining its laws too?"// Well, Nonnie Darwish explained to us that shariah law really has 40 laws or tenets which are contradicting the full demcratic system, as shown in the US constitution.

Not all 40 may be valid for all Muslims, and perhaps you don't follow a lot of these laws/ tenets, but in Islamic books and sermons many of them are supported and mandated by professional popular Islamic teachers in Islamic countries, in past and present.

Daniel Pipes said the biggest problems: Islam has laws against equality of men and women, and of believers and unbelievers. And against freedom of speech. And the worst; The deathpenalty for apostasy!

//"What is democracy? Whats the purpose of democracy? Can democracy give peace to the world?"//
God questions, thanks.

5 pillars of democracy: 1. Free elections. 2. Separation of church/ mosque and state. 3. Constitutional state (meaning laws and parliament are supreme over rulers). 4. Autonomy of the individual as far as is possible (so also of women). 5. Freedom of speech.

This shows it's purposes already, but basically it is an attempt to give as much power as possible to concerned and informed citizens and taking it away from rulers and elites.

Yes, democracies bring more peace than dictatorial states or anarchies or the old tribal communities. No 2 democracies have yet fought with each other and it is very unlikely it will ever happen.

America and Israel which Muslims hate so much, ONLY fought with dictatorial states and organisations. Happiness-surveys of UN also consistently show democratic countries have on average the happiest people. Because Democracies tend to be more prosperous and free than dictatorial states or anarchies.

@narcole1919721,
//1 day is 1000 years in heaven//
Which kind of 1 day? Sidereal or Solar Earth Day? Which kind of 1000 years, Sidereal year, Solar year, or Lunar year. If Lunar, then do you consider the year to compose of 12 synodic or anomalistic or sidereal or tropical or draconic lunar months? Do you consider an average duration or would you consider the historical corrections that must be required because of the 'drift' over several millenia?

//We think that its infidels who dont use aqal but use nafs instead.//
Ha ha.. what we infidels have is called nafs-i-mutma'inna. Yes its a nafs.

1ooo years and 50,000 years make one allah's day, I would rather remain uneducated than learn muhammadan physics which is contrary to every law of science. You are an inventor of lies just like Muhammad. Where does the quran give the speed of angels as 50,000? Point out where the quran uses the word 'science'. You are looking up to Chuck for assistance.

May be he belongs to another sect of Islam ,may be he is understanding Islam in right way ,May be you are making lot of amendments to Qur'an which is prohibited (blasphemy) in Islam.So his anger against you is quiet natural.Poor fellow he don't understand you are playing Taquiya to fool infidels(which is not possible)

Lol i told you kufur means farmer who hides seed. Are you that foolish not understanding this simple word? no wonder you cant understand quran. You cant even understand simple words made by me as human

I have already said ,i follow Buddha on three counts ,one he said i am ordinary man and i attained the state of Nirvana by my relentless effort ,if you do, you too can attain that state ,so don't concentrate on my preachings but on practice.Second ,don't believe anything blindly ;this is a concept of science.Third ,he never speak about God .And other things like do not commit violence so you will be happy ,do not steal or desires for others property later you need not bereave.In the stark contrast is your prophet.

1 day is 1000 years in heaven, which science has revealed that it equals speed of light. Learn physics okay, or ask chuck. 1 day isnt 50000 years, 50000 years is angels speed. Okay who are you to understand this. Im sorry you arent educated enough.

Slave mentality,
You mean that your so-called prophet kidnapped a Jewish girl! Actually, there were two Jewish women in his harem both of whom he "married" after having massacred their people. Will you call that marriage?

Whats the use im here defending islam and moslems, while moslems themselves ruining islam. read that sina said he doesnt hate moslems, but hates islam. Why? Cos he thinks its islam who taught all the wrong. In fact its the moslems themselves who misunderstood islam.

Are you here to defend islam, or even to ruin islam with ur ignorance and racism plus blind following? See how infidels laughing at you? You said jesus will burn in hell. How funny you said ur moslem, but didnt know that jesus is nabi isa, and hes in heaven. and prophet met him in heaven. are you really right moslem? i wont blame sina or others for insulting such dhal moslems. But please specify which moslem u r, so that sina and others could specify to whom they could address all the wrong teaching came from. But for sure its not from my prophet. I dont know whos ur prophet, cos my prophet and ur prophet, are they same? Did they teach the same?

To mukmins, reading one ayat very carefully and understand its meaning is more important than reading whole quran but not understand any! Do you know that doing real tafakur for one minute is more valuable than doing ibadah for 1000 months?

You muslims are somewhat funny! Sometimes you state that Jesus is also one of your prophets, other time you say that Jesus will burn in hell for not believing in islam. What you will answer to clutch at straws?

"Didnt i tell the root of kufur word means” No Everyone should know what kufr is? and how many kufr are in Islam? Even Prophet Muhammad does the kufr then what problem with us. The Kufr of Prophet Muhammad Kufr ul-Istihal: Disbelief out of trying to make haram into halal. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (haram) like alcohol or adultery. Only Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, has the prerogative to make things halal and haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.====>Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Read this and it will be clear to all of you Mohammad also made Haram into Halal. He is also a kafir. All Muslims are following a kafir and claiming others one kafir kafir. Yes I've no guts right now to tell my parents but now this is youth era not the old era so our believe has been changed not the person who have to take rest. They have completed their’s duty and you can see my wife and my child is with me.

Wayaqooloona taAAatun fa-itha barazoo min AAindika bayyata ta-ifatun minhum ghayra allathee taqoolu waAllahu yaktubu ma yubayyitoona faaAArid AAanhum watawakkal AAala Allahi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan They have "Obedience" on their lips; but when they leave thee, a section of them Meditate all night on things very different from what thou tellest them. But Allah records their nightly (plots): So keep clear of them, and put thy trust in Allah, and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.
* But Allah records their nightly (Plots)* Means Allah maintaining record, and keep them, this show allah has short term memory, and he does not know what he said. If he know everything why he has required to maintain records he also understand and found the people who are against him and not followed because Allah knoweth everything .

"but more studies are required to increase probabilities." Parnia's AWARE Project asks cardiac arrest patients who experience a NDE to recall hidden pictures placed above their bed. It would only take 1 patient to correctly say what they saw to prove it. It would not take years more of study to "increase probability". So you are clearly talking nonsense.

"non-physical beliefs" What on earth are "non-physical beliefs"?

"the beliefs of the patient presupposes the physical changes of the body." Placebo effect might work in some things, but when a person needs genuine medical attention then giving them placebo can be deadly.

How that perfectly describes you and exposes you hypocrisy. Failure to meet challenges is a ground for profound bitterness and that can be seen written all over you. Your frustration in life is driving you to extremes and you are looking for where and how to take shelter. Keep deceiving yourself that you find comfort in muhammadanism when, in fact, you are looking for an escape route. Coming to this site gives your life some purpose and if taken away you remain a miserable wretch.

@narcole
I have read Holy Quran more than 100 times since childhood. Now I am getting new things from you. Can you give verse which says earth is round? You are in the influence of non-believers. I am noticing in the influence of non-believers fool Muslim like you mixing tone with them.

What a woeful attempt at the laundry of a horribly dirty image. He gave instructions for a handicapped nursing mother to be killed in the midst of her children. He gave orders for Kaa'b to be lured from his home and killed. On re-entering Mecca he ordered for people who were against him to be killed and one of them was murdered while holding on to the curtain of the kaaba. Two sisters were killed as he ordered. Yes, when people 'insulted him' he did not respond verbally but did so with the sword. There was one hell of a "good natured prophet".

Slave mentality,
Yours is the right path. The custodians of the quran and muhammadanism are fully behind you. They know what the quran says and the interpretation better. charcoal/narcotics is inventing. That is intolerable in muhammadanism. Don't forget, however, that you have already pronounced that her username means coconut is very unmuhammadan and which sometimes is empty inside.

It is the usual muhammadan trick. Even when quoted in arabic, there will be some reason to reject the quotation as not coming from the proper source or that the meaning given is wrong or that the scholars do not agree with the meaning given. It is dancing in a circle with a muhammadan because there is neither authenticity nor usefulness in the quran. So some trick must be devised to protect it. That book of hate and terror was written for the wild arabs.

Dear Slave of Prophet you will also gain dare when you will accept truths, for saying truth there is not fear today you will shut my mouth but tomorrow your child will ask. And that time you have only two ways first you tell a lie or second one is truth.

Who drew the red line first. They were ancient Indian (Aryan people) . This red line was Arya Vs. Anarya. Read Veda which openly say kill the Anaryas. Veda instruct the king do not allow Anarya to live in the state. Hindu Veda making people get out from the state just because they were Anarya.

@Nizamuddin
How dare you to say my prophet was mean- minded? Prophet also followed this philosophy "अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् | उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् this one is a relative; this other one is a stranger" is for the mean-minded. For those who're known as magnanimous, the entire world constitutes but a family."
Prophet married with Jew girl. He never differentiate or deny to marry with jew girl because of her religion. Prophet forgiven pagans whey they accepted Islam.

Not like Prophet Muhammad who draw a red line between believers and non-believers and teach the Muslims that they are not your friend, not participate in his/her any company. I don't like that I born in India and there is a philosophy of India अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् | उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् this one is a relative; this other one is a stranger" is for the mean-minded. For those who're known as magnanimous, the entire world constitutes but a family. I've forget this philosophy to born in India due to Islam because Islam strictly instruct followers to not read except Quran. And this philosphy will really keep us far away from bloodshed.

As per my opinion whole world is my family why I use sister word for yourself while I never meet you and you never meet to me. I use Sir word for Mr. Sina why because I also accept him a member of my family when fake "I hate Islam" abuse sina's mother i also protect this and again a person who use bad word in our forum I protect that. All is here my brother and sister.

I said i don't believe in any God ,so the question of talking about that concept do not arise here.I believe science and i follow the theory put forward by scientist that the whole universe is formed out of single spark .The Big bang theory has not been superseded by any other theory till date .The reason for believing that theory is the ever expanding universe .One day the collapsing phenomena will occur and every thing will disappear ,this is never ending phenomena ;that is manifestation,sustenance,and dissolution. This is a plain and acceptable fact.Every visible things should disappear one day .I too will disappear from scene one day and your not exception either .We fear about our death and so go after unseen God .For your ailment you need a qualified doctor and medicine .These are contributions of human intelligence and not any Allah. I hope you have understood my little sermon to your throat .

I don't believe and also want that no one live his/her life in fear of a simple imaginary horrible world that really made the life of human being best to worst. This unknown fear and ignorance killed million of people. so I don't want these all things also repeat.

I didnt see any of what you said is true. Cos you are not a honest person to your own self, also to other people. What you said about islam never been found in my majlis ta3lim. Before you see someones flaw from distance, why dont you take a look at your self in the mirror first?

But I've already told to you that I never belive in Quran, Mohammad, Satan and Allah. You will say why you using these four words, because this is in your book and you can understand properly about them

The Great hypocrisy on the earth is Islam. What it say and again make it false with its teaching, I've already mentioned that If Allah is creator of this universe he know everything well but he don't know a little bit about this universe. If he send Quran then there is no need to take oath of Quran, sometimes he take the oath of City (Mecca), sometimes he take oath of By the (Steeds) that run, with panting (breath),And strike sparks of fire,
and many more what is need to say like. This seems the quotes of mad & crazy otherwise why allah take oath of own creation if he take oath of own creation then why not he take again oath of Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham and others Prophet. Sometimes Allah said to the believers I will forgive you sometimes said you will put you in hell fire. O my people! this is the she-camel of God and a sign unto you. Is this the sign of Allah then anyone also send a camel in another country and say this is the sign of myself. This is only childish talk.

The differences between my prophet and them, my prophet never talked bad about others, never insulted, never cursed, never taught bad teaching, hes always kind and caring. when he saw something bad, he never protested in way that would hurt anyones feeling. hes a very decent and patient person. When people cursed him and hurt him, he faced it with great sabar. Never came out from his mouth any badness, eventhough kafirin and munafiqin, kept making fun of him. He never started war, he always preached in peace. If there wars happened, its kafirin who started. Bugging moslems doing ibadah in physical attacks. when he preached to kafirin about islam, he never did it in hurtful way. Its kafirin who considered him as a threat, and never let him and moslems to worship Allah in peace.

In other words this study has no evidence that the mind can exist independently of the body. "
No,in other words,it says the results they have so far favors the experimenters but more studies are required to increase probabilities.That's exactly how empirical evidence is established.
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Obviously the mind can affect the body, I don't remember arguing that it couldn't."
Oh really?…so you accpet that intangible/non-physical beliefs can drastically influence the tangible/physical body?
The point I was trying to make is that in the concept of the placebo effect,the beliefs of the patient presupposes the physical changes of the body.In other words,in that scenario,the beliefs are primary not secondary.

I have my own opinion about that hater and you. Hes so naive. He cant hide his emotions here. Hes so honest in lying and in spreading lies, so obvious. But your sweet words contain poison. Naive persons would be on your side cos of their hunger of compliments. Stay in darwinism, never enter islam, cos your existence in islam would be like hidden fire burning slowly from inside without smoke. I recognize you dont have honesty to your own heart.

You, as darwinist, doesnt god give you enough democracy until now to speak as you like? But you cant deny that theres limit of democracy in life. Death will take away your democracy in the end. Enjoy your democracy well now.

What is democracy? Whats the purpose of democracy? Can democracy give peace to the world? Can islam have democracy in determining its laws too? Why doesnt west itself give democracy for moslems? You betray your own democracy. You told people not to do this, not to do that. You told people to let you to be free to ask people anything you want. Aint you like nizam whos like person who wrote and read, "dont read this", but he himself read it already? Aint it hypocrisy?

@Nizamuddin Sheikh
Allah himself declares in holy quran non-believers are worst of creature. How so much you build fake polls of Indian & European civilization they can not be true. In the eyes of Allah non-believers are worst of creatures. Allah guided us
"O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as your protecting friends (auliya): they are only protecting friends of one another. Whoever of you disobeys this commandment will be counted as one of them. Surely God does not guide the wrongdoers." (Qur’an; 5:51)
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")

Quran is in arabic. Anything which isnt arabic isnt quran. You kept mentioning quran this, quran that. But none of them are quran. You acted as if you know quran without reading arabic. Which is impossible, cos quran is in arabic. Hadith also in arabic. But none of ur sources from arabic. 🙂

Ibn Abbas (RA) said, Ali (RA) said: "I feel cool breeze from Hind." Mustadrak Al-Haakim Hadith 3954. Hakim said, 'This Hadith is Sahih on the conditions of [Sahih] Muslim.'
Narrated Um Qais bint Mihsan: I heard the Prophet saying, "Treat with the Indian incense, for it has healing for seven diseases; it is to be sniffed by one having throat trouble, and to be put into one side of the mouth of one suffering from pleurisy." Once I went to Allah's Apostle with a son of mine who would not eat any food, and the boy passed urine on him whereupon he asked for some water and sprinkled it over the place of urine. sahih bukhari Book #71, Hadith #596)If Indians are jahil means uncivilized then why you lovely prophet said like that. Because Uncivilized always be dirty their living standard is not good, therir habit is also bad, wore or worst, but he is felt a cool breeze, because Indians are more civilized and Indus valley civilization is one of the oldest civilization of world.

"Jahil were the Indian, American & European. My ancestors Arab were most scientific & civilized people that is why Allah chose Arabs to hand over the Quran."Read the History of India how civilized it was, you can read Haddap and Mohanjodaro civilization and how much old these civilization are you only know Arab what is fact that never mind because Allah have not give you the power to analyze the truth. And why Allah chose Arab to hand over the Quran. This is not Allah this is muhammad who teach this story like a thief who stolen all the outer part of Torah and Bible but like thief he was not able to stole the soul of those religious book that is love. Then he made Quran as a grand building where all things are present with his like and dislike.

Slave mentality,
You have already said that her posts are irrelevant because she is a grand liar. As for your ancestors, science was anathema to them. The two were like water and oil which ordinarily never mix.

You object to my sweet tounge, yet you chastise I hate Islam for his lack of showing you his love for fellow humans. Make up your mind which you want.
We have no backstabbing, just arguments you disagree with and dislike.

@Demsci
I never agree with Ali Sina, non-believers and modern science which claims earth is egg shaped. Today's science is making fool of people and against Quran. I will say it pseudo science. Quran nowhere says earth is egg shaped. But today scientist and apostate like Ali Sina believe earth is egg shaped which is unislamic in the eyes of Allah. Not believing in Allah is gate of eternal hell-fire.

Do you know Anjem Choudary? I can respect him! Or at least his honesty in openly declaring Islamic political system in essence different from and better than the full Democratic system and being supremacist in nature. Because of Divine origine of Islam's laws and just human origine of the laws ofthe other systems. With him you KNOW he wants to destroy/ replace our system.

He is better than all those Muslims who deny any danger from Islam for democracy-loving people, in my opinion.

And it would be OK if a part of the world was not democratic but Islamic, coexisting, I think. Just let Muslims be open about Islam's supremacist attitude and its totalitarian societal system.

But there are apostates who can read Arabic, like Wafa Sultan, who informed Sina et al. And also, we have MEMRI TV, international media, internet. And it is Muslims (knowing Quran-Hadiths-Sira in Arabic well) themselves that draw the same conclusions as the apostates, anti-Islam-activists about quran-hadiths-sira. Only the Muslims are in favor of the meaning of the conclusions and the anti-Islam-activists are against that meaning, but they often agree on the meaning, together disagreeing with the Islam-apologists! Slave of Prophet with his belief in flat earth was a case in point the other day.

And you KNOW Muslims are divided. And like a Mutazilite you use reason. Can't a part of Muslims not ally with the West and practice democracy? With freedom of speech (which you use here)?

@narcole1919721
Please mind your tongue. You have no right to abuse my great Arabic ancestors. Jahil were the Indian, American & European. My ancestors Arab were most scientific & civilized people that is why Allah chose Arabs to hand over the Quran.

But I still like to point out that God has been inactive for a very long period. The time-lag between the very latest prophet and judgment is already 1400 years and counting. Will Muslims wait another 1000 years if judgement day won't come?

And how about deathpenalty for apostasy? Does Majlis Ta3lim teach that apostates must be punished? Or left free?

I know that you told us that if apostates of Islam were quiet they would be left alone, but that really is not good enough in the democratic system with freedom of speech. They should also be free to advocate against Islam.

Former Muslims have challenged major Islamic organisations to sign the "freedom pledge" which was the pledge to let everybody choose their own religion, also out of Islam, and to let people have freedom of speech against all religions. The vast majority of Muslim organisations in US (and I suppose the world) rejected it. While the vast majority of infidels would have signed it in a heartbeat!

Do you see the rift between Muslims and infidels here? Do you see with empathy now the concern of infidels and especially apostates, like Ali Sina, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, and those you meet here? Even if you don't agree with them?

//"Do you know this strategy is ancient?"// I suppose it is as ancient as civilization is, # 5000 years old. Done by all groups.

//"Like double agent intelligents got paid to ruin one from inside? We moslems aint dumb. See how many moslems now. We know that such terrorists aint part of us. They are double agents"//

But there are so many! Many bloody attacks, suicide bombings, the site "Religion of Peace" registered more than 20.000 acts of terrorism carried in the name of Islam since 9/11 (2001). FFI, JihadWatch and other counterjihadist sites covers worldnews and have daily reports about either terrorist acts done by self-confessed Muslims or violence-inciting Muslims in the media, often clerics. We have MEMRI-TV now which monitors TV in Islamic countries. Much Islam-supremacism and anti-Western hate is shown.

So much proof for you is hard to deny, when you are finally brave enough not to ignore it. But how much proof is there for your conspiracy theory of all of them being "double-agents", paid by the West?

Example; Osama Bin Laden. Yes, once he was ally of US against USSR. But after the defeat of USSR he turned on the US. And nowadays a part of the Muslims revere him openly for being a fighter against the US (showing their hatred to US) and a part of the Muslims maintain that he did 9/11-terror-act because he was double-agent for the US (He must have felt insulted by that). You can't have it both ways.

All those Muslims living in the West; I think they should eventually make up their mind and choose; for/ neutral or against the West and democracy.

If they in large numbers support Islamic totalitarian enemies of the West with your kind of thinking shown above, I think Japan, South Korea, Taiwan (who totally resisted immigration of Muslims) can say to the West (which allow much immigration of Muslims):

"See how stupid you were with allowing large-scale immigration of Muslims, even if it was for humanitarian reasons? The majority turned traitor on you, supporting your enemies!"

"We were right all along to resist any immigration of Muslims/ traitors"!

" Ask nizam, hes a kafir too, while his old family still moslems. Nizam can answer why hes kafir. Ask nizam to ask their parents why still moslems." How many kufr are in Islam I've already mentioned in the "Day of Judgment" And all of us can analyze that everyone is making kufr and being kafir, even if Sister Narcole, Brother Shabeer, Brohter Shabeer Hasan, Brother Slave of prophet and we all are but if telling truth is kufr then I've no problem and think you all have also not problem. Because Allah says earth is flat but we know earth is round this is the kufr. And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction. but we know sea cucumber and other animal are also who is not in pair. so it is Allah who who teach us to tell a lie and praise his lie if telling truth is kufr we all will do. My Parents are old theirs age is 58 and 54 years now this is not his age that I can argue with them and try if I will try It might be they feel guilty that what did i do in my whole life I born in a religion that is based on lie and this will be very hard for them because my father will understand all these things but mother has got only Qurannic education so she could not get all these things.

Then you should go n stay in a haunted house to experience the unscientific activities of the spirit in there. Better insure yourself in case u got injured by the unnatural forces. Then write to us n tell us yr experiences.

If a child ask why the moon and stars are in the sky?,one cannot explain him the theory of motion or general relativity, why you know ?.First the adult feel that the question itself is silly ,but at the same time he cant explain even if he wish it to that child because the child do not have the grasping ability. I hope you will understand at least this much.

Muhammadans are always hungry for blood. What happened at Woolwich was a flagrant abuse of hospitality which muhammadans always show. Let it be a lesson to every community not to allow itself to be infested by these bloodthirsty demons. There should be no pity for or generosity to a muhammadan.

So NDE's are valid. Its a near death experience – somoene who is close to dying, his brain goes crazy and they have some experiences. But it does NOT imply "existence of a soul" or consciousness that can exist outside the human body. Those claims are false. From Wikipedia:
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Criticism of NDE as proof for "afterlife" or "a soul" outside the brain

Skeptics argue that what some scientists regard as NDEs is based on the false deduction that the brain of a patient is inactive, while no proper brain activity scans have been performed. They view NDEs as poorly studied biological and chemical phenomena occurring in the brain. They argue that NDE could possibly be explained by purely physiological and neurobiological mechanisms that could be better understood through advances in neuroimaging and neuroscience in general.

There are three arguments in support of such criticism. First, the NDE could just as easily have occurred before or after any state resembling brain death. There is no way to verify the timing of memory formation relative to brain scans when the patient is not conscious.[101] Second, it is very difficult to verify that there was in fact no measurable brain activity. There are many types of brain activity and they require different types of tests to verify them. Most of these types of tests are not typically performed when a patient is undergoing attempts at emergency resuscitation. It is entirely possible, for example, that a patient showing no activity on an EEG scan could still have brain activity that would appear on an FMRI, PET, or catSCAN. In the words of Dr. Mark Cohen, a neuroimaging researcher at UCLA: "The EEG can appear flat even in the presence of high activity, when that activity is not synchronous. For example, the EEG flattens in regions involved in direct task processing. This phenomenon is known as event-related desynchronization."[102][unreliable source?] Third, the experiences reported by NDE subjects have also been reported by other patients whose experiences had known triggers (mostly chemicals of a psychedelic nature.) The chemical processes that happen in a brain under oxygen deprivation are known to share some characteristics with the effects of psychoactive substances.

The NDE is often cited as evidence for the existence of the human soul and afterlife. However, the imagery in the experiences varies within cultures.[103][104][105] Some view NDEs as a proof for heaven and hell, which appear in Christian and Islamic religious traditions, but those concepts do not apply to all religions. For example, Placide Tempels (a Belgian missionary) states that "most African peoples believe that rewards and punishments come to people in this life and not in the hereafter. In the land of the departed, what happens there happens automatically, irrespective of a person's earthly behavior"
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Please note the 3 criticisms of these claims above. Ali, please deal with these criticism in your next article and provide scientific evidence in support of "consciousness existing outside the human body".

" i would be lucky if i had been in same time with him. I would have been always around him. listened to all what hesaid n tried to prove and witness my self."

Understand, you are a very serious, sincerely moral girl. Loving a very gentle, wise man and his ideas. As you were taught Mohammed was like.

Do you have empathy that people here feel the same about Ali Sina as you feel about your prophet as you know him? Or those around Robert Spencer and David Wood who admire them? etc. These bloggers may seem negative to Muslims, but I assure you that they are trying to defend something precious, like democracy, equal rights, freedom of speech, golden rule. Something they explain Islam is in competition with, threathens to destroy, blocks.

They think many Muslims are intolerant to their ideals and therefore they are intolerant to Islam. But you or your sect may reassure their followers that you really respect their precious ideals and even will defend these against those Muslims who aim to destroy them.

Democratic people try to tolerate, INCLUDE all sorts of different people, as long as they themselves are tolerant to the others and do not side with intolerant enemies. Intolerant people are like cats among pigeons. But democratic people are nothing like alligators.

It is apparent that you are confused about what it is to "copy and paste" which has now become the favorite phrase of muhammadans.
I am really thankful to Almighty God for not making me meet that satan of your prophet. I have met many muhammadans and all of them exhibit the same type of mentality. It is not possible for me to meet every member of the evil cult. Those I have met are the samples and from them generalizations are deduced.

Actually many moslems liked what he did for thinking the infidel soldier deserved it. Cos he served the zhalim leader. so, was he guilty in islam view or not? hes guilty if the guy was really innocent and never hurt moslems. But hes not guilty if the guy ever killed innocent moslems. So how to judge it? By questioning the victims deeds before. Only god knows. But if there proofs that the guy was not innocent, so its okay in islam. but if the guy was really innocent, then michael was dhal.
And please enough with sweet tounge but back stabbing.

That passage is self explanatory. It does not require explanation. The angels and Spirit descend in one day which is the length of 50,000 years. There is no mention of malaikat to reach its destination. Don't read into the verse what is not there.

"Angel of death can answer all, anytime, anywhere. so if u think he doesnt exist, why afraid to die?"

I realized a long time ago that I was afraid to die because I was afraid ME, my ego, would simply disappear forever. I still regret that. And of course I am afraid of PAIN when dying, more than of being dead.

That is quite embarrassing to them and those who come to grips with the scientific facts look for escape routes. It explains why charcoal/narcotics will not mind being on the same side with anybody. Frailty is muhammadanism's name. Don't expect any consistency from such quarters.

It is only a fool who will claim to be the "creator of all things" yet understands "only one language" and must be communicated with in that language. There can be no greater ignoramus than that. There are hundreds of beautiful languages in the world. Why should I waste time studying something as dead as arabic.

Cos he was a popular and respected person from all sides. Prophet abrahams father was also kafir. Noahs family also kafir. Moses foster dad who loved him also kafir. Ask nizam, hes a kafir too, while his old family still moslems. Nizam can answer why hes kafir. Ask nizam to ask their parents why still moslems.

Keep mumbling. You never attend majlis ta3lim. Only copy paste sina and haters writings. You dont know arabic, never read nor recited quran arabic, never read arabic hadith, and never read 3lm how to differ which is real hadith, which is strong/weak hadith, and which is fake hadith. Never met prophet and never met real nice moslems. Keep mumbling.

No, because they are wise and modest and humble, allowing for the possibillity that others can teach them something of value so they can make progress.

But those who say they only are true, and best, already, are arrogant, and risk getting and staying behind, primitive.

What do you think about Ibrahim Buleihi, who chastises Muslims that they fail to learn enough from the West because they have the mindset of "being true" and only having something to teach and nothing to learn, while he, a saudi, describes that the Arabs, like the Japanese,who did indeed learn from the West, can and should learn so much from the West.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0CeResVB4

Every living being consists of spirit, mind and body. The spirit controls the mind and the mind controls the body. At death the spiritual body floats out of the physical body to be in the spiritual world to meet other spiritual relatives and meet with the great love of God. Some sinful ones will descend into hell and have terrifying experiences. Some others will become earthbound spirits, haunting houses, tress, caves, etc. Some are directed by the Supreme Being to reenter their dead bodies or bodies already in a coma and these bodies become revived and they live to tell their experiences in the spiritual world.
NDE should read TDE i.e. Temporary Death Experience.

Sura 22: 46 " EACH DAY WITH YOUR LORD IS LIKE A THOUSAND (1,000) IN YOUR RECKONING".
Sura 70:1"TO HIM THE ANGELS AND SPIRIT ASCEND IN ONE DAY; THE MEASURE OF WHICH IS FIFTY THOUSAND (50,000) YEARS".
Read the inconsistency in determining the length of one day in whatever language you choose. The meaning remains the same.

Narcole, on the subject of best organisation of society I hope sect 73 comes down to accepting democracy and rejecting caliphate. You seem to be a Muslima who loves to reason and who uses and enjoys freedom of speech and women-equal rights. On important issues you may separate from Muslims like Slave of Prophet and join us Democratic people.

The Mutazilites used reason and took Islam more symbolically when it contradicted reason. Can you? (No one here except me thinks so, I suppose).

Sakat,
Thanks. But I am just learning. You know, as they say, there is no end to the learning process. That is why I spend much time reading that filthy stuff so that nobody tries to blindfold me as charcoal/narcotics is doing by always claiming that quoted passages are not in their literature until read in arabic. Somebody who is not familiar with the particular text might be tempted to fall for her deceit.

Do you think there way to return back to dunia when you face angel of death and when hes proving all in front of your eyes? Do you think truth is so far? Angel of death can answer all, anytime, anywhere. so if u think he doesnt exist, why afraid to die?

I-Hate-Islam, Slave of Prophet accused Narcole of following non-Muslims on their, say, "theories or propaganda or ideology". But ironically it was Narcole, like a good Islam-apologist, who disagreed with counterjihadists like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, David Woods etc.that the Quran stated and meant that the earth was flat,

while it was Slave of Prophet who, as a devout Muslim, following devout Saudi translators of Quran, who confirmed the counterjihadists! (only Slave believed Earth really is flat, and the quran is accurate/ true, while the counterjihadist point to this flat-earth-description as evidence of an embarrassing scientific fault in the Quran, as Narcole understood).

"-ARABS LIKE PROPHET AND HIS FAMILY –WERE THE BEST —COS OF THEIR DEEDS"
Such deeds as Fatima(Muhammad's favorite daughter) not speaking to Abu Bakr (Muhammad's father in-law) for 6 months till she died. Perhaps the "good deeds" of Ali (Muhammad's cousin) and Aisha (Muhammad's favorite wife) going to war which led to 10,000 people being slaughtered at the end of it. Or the " deed" of Abu Bakr and Aisha tormenting Fatima to her untimely death. It should also be mentioned how the " deeds" made Ali to bury Fatima in the night without informing the reigning caliph. Those indeed, were perfect examples of the muhammadan " deeds".

" I did tell about jamaah who follow sunnah nabi. Not jamaah who follow dajjal politicians."

I hope many Muslims are like you and that that works out well for the infidels in the countries with Muslim minorities.

"Government only uses religion as excuse for them to gain support and power.: You may be wise in this. But the woolwich killer, Michael Adebolajo, clearly explained on the street that he was primarily loyal to his fellow Muslims and therefore so hostile to the West that he murdered one of their soldiers. As he was a 100 % British citizen, and as he was on the side of enemies of Britain where the soldier had fought, he clearly was a despicable traitor. Who long since should have emigrated to an Islamic country, to which he could be loyal too.

"You are questioning whether afterlife is true or false, before asking about future, you cant even answer whether what scientists said about past is true or false."

Here becomes apparent a big difference between us, Narcole. I will never be able or willing to absolutely believe all that Science is saying (let alone what religions or wise people are saying).

I will always leave room for doubt and improvement for theories and replace good theories with better ones, if they show up. Including theories about the afterlife or lack thereof. I am not perfect in it, but still proud of it.

I am an Atheist like Nizamuddin Sheikh, who writes beautiful about it. And I believe that in atheism too there is a good moral theory and I read about that in Sam Harris" the moral landscape" in which he asserts it is not only religions that have good moral principles, but that atheism has as good moral theory.

Now, are you proud that you ABSOLUTELY believe in something without doubt and room for improvement? Do you think it is better to think to know something as absolute unchangeable truth for the rest of your life? and for eternal life after that?

Than it is to not know anything for sure but seeking the highest truth you can find your whole life long?

Why not ask the opposite if u were at same time with him? Dont u think why arabs who against him before turned to his sahabat? i would be lucky if i had been in same time with him. I would have been always around him. listened to all what hesaid n tried to prove and witness my self. But now im living at same time with you. With different place, different version from you. different experiences and different observations. you believe what you believe, i believe what i believe.

Have i said you have cursed Buddha? ,if you curse who i am to stop you ,because it is sanctioned in your religion to curse others .See we are not cursing your Prophet ,we simply highlighting the facts .If the facts go against your prophet you cant blame us ,ultimately it is your own documents we are refferring and not concocted one .If you feel Ali Sina has concocted any Haddith or sura of Quaran then you have every right to bring it to the notice of audience here ,this is a democratic site and ,democracy has equal opportunity for everyone ,just try and put your argument .Till then don't blame us for cursing tournament against your belief .

"And god never did zhalim toward his servants, he asks us to help ourselves too. Hes happy if we find eternal happiness." It almost sounds like God is offering a "deal" to humans; He will reward their ego's with heaven if they believe and behave in a certain way. A win-win-situation. You took the deal, perhaps thinking it "too good be true".

Yes, I-Hate-Islam, the difference before and after was that he became POWERFUL after Khadija's death. Power often corrupts. By the way, you know an awful lot about Mohammed, much from Hadiths&Sira I suppose, which shows in your posts.

Prophets uncle one day found prophet with his son ali doing sholat. And he asked, what the heck were you two doing before? They answered, they were doing sholat. And the uncle said, do whatever you like, just dont ask me to follow what you do. And ali only could smile. They all lived in peace too.

If robert spencer and other minority say this and that, but my sect says the opposite, cos my quran isnt like what you say, so what? Im not surpised. Even im now living with someone who thinks a period woman should fast too, and shes on period, but still fasting. So? I told her in my sect period women dont fast, and she understood. So? She just keeps fasting in peace. Her belief is for hers. Lakum diinukum wa liyadiin. We live together in peace.

"Following Mu7ammad, by holding tight on Quran and Sunnah in right version. Dont forget to specify"

For a long time I indeed realise that the image of Mohammed among Muslims differs vastly from the image that counterjihadists have of him. So when I had lived contemporarily with Mohammed, Narcole imagines that I would have been impressed by a Mohammed living as her image of him. But I would still oppose such a man too, because of his anti-democratic political aims for mankind.

Narcole, how would you have been in Mohammed's time, as you are now?

Now and here you are critical and sceptic and dismissive to Ali Sina and us. Why would you nowhere be like that in Mohammed's time towards him? And would you be allowed to behave like that back then by him?

And i never cursed budha nor jesus, nor maha bodi tree. I respect them all, cos my prophet and my quran told to. Even in quran said that budha zulkifli was a very wise and patient person. And look at you and other infdels, keep cursing other prophet. Is that such attitude budha and jesus taught you all to? Such attitude?

Narcole wrote to Slave of Prophet: "Dear, dont follow sina in translating and interpreting quran using books." Slave of Prophet says he never follows unbelievers and only trusts Saudi translators of Quran.

But yes, he confirms what Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, David Woods and many counterjihadist posters also often say: That in the Quran it is stated and meant that the earth is flat.

With this Slave of Prophet is contradicting Narcole. And many Islam-apologists, like Aminthemystic, Shabeer, here and elsewhere who also emphatically denied that the Quran (in Arabic) states and means that the Earth is flat.

What Muslims should realise is that it is useless and illogical to ONLY try to blame and correct and chastise infidels as if ONLY THEY wrongly interpret Quran-Hadiths-Sira. When it is clear that many Muslims, even among SAUDI translators, believe in essence the same interpretation of the Holy Texts as the counterjihadists. Only the Muslims are in favor of these interpretations and believe they are true, and the infidels are not believing in them and use them to discredit Islam.

So yes, Slave of Prophet indeed IS IN AGREEMENT with Ali Sina on the shape-of-the-earth-topic, which frustrates and exasperates Muslims like Narcole. Who KNOWS and ADMITS that many Muslims interpret Quran-Hadiths-Sira wrong, or DHALLIN, in her opinion. She probably considers Slave of Prophet DHALLIN too.

And Slave of Prophet for once should admit that he agrees with the infidel Ali Sina on something in the Quran. And that they both disagree with Narcole on this.

God sent last prophet to arabs cos at that time arabs were so jahil, there are jahil arabs too these days. Also there are good arabs. Quran clearly says that those who are so close to god are those who obey his orders and avoid his prohibitions, muttaqiin. dont follow iblis and bani israel who boasted that they are the best. God did admit that they were the best. But it was in the past, since they dont obey god anymore, they arent the best anymore. This applies to arabs too, arabs like prophet and his family and sahabat were the best not cos they're arabs, but cos of their deeds. dont forget bilal bi rabah the african, salman from persia, n many more. So u got mistaken by thinking arabs are the best cos of the race. Prophet did warn his family many times, just cos they were his family doesnt mean they were better than others who had more good deeds.

Hey baby!! Buddha never claimed he is Prophet or son of God either ,he said i am an ordinary human being likes you ,if your Qur'an say's it ,then the fault lay,s with Qur'an not with Tripitaka which contained the detailed account of Buddha's life.

Omg you didnt know that solomon could tame humans, animals, jins also elements like wind to teleport? Hes the only prophet with greatest kingdom for every kind of race on earth. At his time transparent glass floor already invented and he could move to any country very fast just like a plane? Why do you thinkga great king also prophet like him couldnt fly like plane we have today? 🙂 anyway many sheikhs can do teleport too.

Which quran, arabic? 😉 lol my quran clearly explains 1 day in heaven is 1000 years on earth 🙂 come on, as if you ever read quran. I wanna hear you recite quran in arabic now as test. How about al ikhlas 😉

In quran, it says that even if god made quran in other language, infidels would still deny. Anyway, if quran in arab, u deny, in urdu, u deny, in english, u deny, in farsi, u deny. So the problem is more from ur dirty heart and mind. Which make you blind and deaf, thats why you dont understand.

Read same book? Where is he? Where am i? Did he attend majlis ta3lim regularly in right sect? Anyway, this forum is complete, there are christians, good and bad christians, there budhist, hindu, atheist, darwinist, murtad, munafiq, moslem, mukmin, also dhallin. There moslems with different sects here. So im here for my sect, if all disagree with my sect but agree with others, then be with others. Ill keep doing jihad, sorting out fitnah, facts, opinions, bid3ah, and misunderstanding. Either you disagree or not, lakum diinukum wa liyadin. Im here to represent ahlus sunna wal jamaah in one version. If other sects disagree, im sorry to call dhallin. Im here for jihad. Not only for infidels, but also for sharing more knowledges to moslems. Believe or not, lakum diinukum wa liyadiin. My duty only as informer or reminder 🙂

Dear, jesus is nabi isa. And budha is nabi too. Budha word means nabi/prophet. Who is sidharta budha gautama? Budha is nabi zul-kifli. And budha got wahyu/revelation under bodi tree aka at tin tree. Hes named zul-kifli in quran cos hes from kapila (kapilavastu) . in arabic zul-kifli means a person from kifli. Yes budha isnt god. Cos budha is prophet. Read surah at tin. Not in english but from the root. Surah at tin explains that zaitun is symbol for jerusallem and the prophet Isa/jesus. Thursina is symbol for moses and jews, makkah is symbol for prophet mu7ammad shollallahu 3alaihi wa sallam and islam, and what at tin/bodi tree is for? Its for prophet zul-kifli. Its symbol for him. His history is just like budhists said. Zul-kifli name mentioned in quran twice in surah al anbiya and shad. So its clear that budha sidharta gautama is prophet zulkifli. And who is budha maitreya? In kitab Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III,76 : “There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe“. Budha Matreiya, avatar and Muhammad are same person. So budha/prophet zulkifli, moses, jesus, and budha matreiya/avatar/ prophet Muhammad shollallahu 3alaihi wa sallam were anbiya/prophets. They were hanif just like abraham they were rasul from 25 messengers.

That clip you gave is at least 2 years old.I love how you jump to your own conclusions and arbitrarily omit the part where the results of the (5 year AWARE) study will only be published this fall by October 2013 in a scientific journal.
Here's an update on that ongoing research.And you'll be dissapointed to know that "They are pleased to report the study is progressing well but have indicated that the results so far suggest more data and larger scale studies may be required" .Until then ,I sugesst you keep your conclusions to yourself. http://www.horizonresearch.org/main_page.php?cat_…
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he gives no proof that the brain cannot produce consciousness."

Lets discuss the placebo effect.I believe its one supporting evidence that the mind can affect the body.

Read sura 42:12 Lahu maqaleedu alssamawati waal-ardi yabsutu alrrizqa liman yashao wayaqdiru innahu bikulli shay-in AAaleemun
To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: He enlarges and restricts. The Sustenance to whom He will: for He knows full well all things.
God must be possessed of an inexhaustible stock of keys considering that he must unlock each and all places. Again it argues childishness on His part to bless with plenty and super-abundance whosoever He pleases regardless of his merits, or to take away the same from any without weighing his demerits. If God is such a creature of mere whim, He is unjust.

Slave mentality,
What do you expect? An Arab was the allah who wrote the quran. As dishonest as he was, did you expect him to run down himself by doing that to his kinsmen? He was so dishonest as not to disclose to you that the quran is not purely Arabic. It contains many direct foreign words and others which have been mutated to sound arabic.

Slave mentality,
Do you really know what muhammadanism teaches? It says that the quranic "jesus" was a prophet of muhammadanism. Now you say he will burn in hell fire for not having recited the shahada. How was he a muhammadan prophet without that article of faith? Was he or was he not a prophet of muhammadanism and why will he burn in hell after having discharged his muhammadan duties to allah? Muhammad cannot help himself not to talk of helping another person given that he is suffering in hell where he rightly belongs.

Read these Sura 36:2 Waalqur-ani alhakeemi By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,- 36:3 Innaka lamina almursaleena Thou art indeed one of the messengers, 36:4AAala siratin mustaqeemin On a Straight Way.36:5 Tanzeela alAAazeezi alrraheemi It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. 36:6Litunthira qawman ma onthira abaohum fahum ghafiloona In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the Signs of Allah).50:1 Qaf waalqur-ani almajeediQaf: By the Glorious Qur'an (Thou art Allah's Messenger).90:1 La oqsimu bihatha albaladi I do call to witness this City;-
If these word from Allah then why Allah take oath of Quran as he take in 90:2 and how he take oath the city if Allah is true there is no need to take oath, this is the work of liar to get faith of people.

Demsci,
The pedophilia and sexual escape were latent. But there was no opportunity for mad Muhammad to have exhibited that while Khadijah was alive. As soon as she died the path was cleared and the jinn was let out of the bottle. Like an animal that was caged all its life, the death of the old dame sent mad Mo on the rampage. There was no way that the jinn could be brought back into the bottle. That was the launchpad of mad Mo's prophethood.

"Allah himself declare Arabs are best people that is why Quran sent in our Arbi languages. "
If he send this book in other language then we understand that it is really from Allah but it is in the language of Muhammad who know Arabic, so it is simple this quran is not the word of Allah but it is the word is Muhammad. If it was came in Persian, Hebrew then we also understand that Muhammad does not know Hebrew or Persian but this Quran came in these language so it will be. But it is in his language so this the pure thought of Muhammad

Your fist part of the above post i have already answered ,if you are unable to understand like, your mad Mohammed it is not my fault.I love Buddha because he never claimed/allowed that, he is prophet.Moreover he never accepted there is God (which is fitting my skim of thoughts) . Third he wanted his teachings should be tested on practical level ,he devised a system called Vipassana ,i am practicing it regularly and the symptoms exactly corroborate Buddha's teaching ,that is the confirmation of f his teaching on practical level.Lastly he said doubt everything before accepting and i am doing that here.Jesus on the other hand i consider the apostle of non-violence and pure love.Each individual existence has its end.Instead we have to imbibe their good teachings in our life ,rather then searching them in the horizon for useless purpose .Only Mohammedans knew how to waste precious time of their life on such things and you are not exception either.

@Nizamuddin
Allah himself declare Arabs are best people that is why Quran sent in our Arbi languages.
Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish."
“Behold, We have sent it down in all clarity, in the Arabic tongue, so that you might encompass it with your reason.” (Quran 12:2)
إِنَّا جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون
“Behold, We have made it a Quran in clear Arabic language that you may fully understand.” (Quran 43:3)

Slave mentality,
It was very simple for the evil man to surrender to allah completely because he was allah. That was why allah had to please him, fawned for him, became his chief security officer and could not give him any physical protection.

@narcole1919721
Jesus and Buddha waiting for day of resurrection when Allah will award them eternal hell-fire for not reciting Shahada and believing in false God. Hell is certain for Buddha and Jesus. Prophet Muhammad also wont favor them. If someone have belief in Allah and prophet but somewhere due to circumstances one misled prophet Muhammad can favor the person to eternal heaven.

Thats not the answer for my questions sakat dear. Ur on coward list too for not answering are jesus and budha friends living in same place? 😉 where are they? are they humans? What would happen if there no god, what would happen if many gods? come on 😉

Now you told me
Is Muhammad a real messenger of Allah?
What should be characteristics of Prophet?
Why does the Quran say that infidels should be killed?
what does Islam offer humanity that differ from other faith's?
Why Allah made women inferior to men?
Why Allah prohibited Alcohol on earth but in heaven there is no restriction?
Why 75 virgin women are in heaven for male & what women get?
Why sex Slave is legal as per Islam?

"The following links are for those who genuinely seek the truth" Parnia said "He speculated that human consciousness may work independently of the brain, using the gray matter as a mechanism to manifest the thoughts, just as a television set translates waves in the air into picture and sound." First of all this doctor is speculating, he gives no proof that the brain cannot produce consciousness.

"When you damage the brain or lose some of the aspects of mind or personality, that doesn't necessarily mean the mind is being produced by the brain. All it shows is that the apparatus is damaged," Parnia said," Even if the analogy of a television set makes any sense, he still has to explain how consciousness can (or even could) continue after the "apparatus" has been destroyed.

"adding that further research might reveal the existence of a soul." He like all the people who believe in a *soul* does not even give a definition of what soul is.

Here is a youtube clip With Sam Parnia&nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JarYYWDfQ
Between 1:40- 1:51 Parnia says "was I really looking down at myself or was that just a dream? I don't know and if anyone says they know, they are just speculating we don't have evidence yet". So I think you should take Parnia's advice and stop speculating.

"I have read Buddha history. Buddha was a non-believer in Allah. He was an atheist and atheist are worst of creature as per Islam. In his whole life he never read Kalama."
such things say your Quran and Muhammad because Muhammad also well known about his lie that what I'm saying to other so he feed fear in your mind forcefully a imaginary things (Allah,Heaven and Hell fire) to made a cut, copy, paste from others religious books.

"it is simple as per Islam "God created us so that we could worship him"
but he created us only for worship him then why he gave feelings of Hungry? For worshiping there is no need to have meal so have not give us this feelings. Second why he made women if he able to create everything then there is no need to made women or men, he created us as neuter. he had not to give us eyes and ears that we can see the activity of Satan, and hear the sound of Satan. And this shows he is selfish and there were no so made us to his recommendation .

Our teacher in school used to teach many things on black board,simultaneously s/he used to prove that in the laboratory .Buddha not only teaches but put us to test his theory in the laboratory (human body). Like wise Jesus not only preached love thy neighbor but also practiced on that painful cross himself.In contrast Mohammed first practiced violence (killing ,looting ,raping children) and after words try to give cherry picked sermons of wisdom(copy pasted ) ,upon which your kinda people would like to concentrate ,what about his acts of violence claiming to be propphet (doing barbaric acts ,it is an insult to the pious term 'The Prophet").

Typical materialist tactic.You claimed before that NDEs can be explained biologically but when I asked you to elaborate you instead shifted the burden of proof onto me.
I know there's no amount of evidence to convince a pathological skeptic,so my aim is to show those readers that are not familiar with the evidence and are not able to construct their arguments logically in a debate with a materialist but they may have known intuitively that such phenomena as psi and nde are possible.Don't underestimate the power of intuition,after all, all truth and logic devolves back to intuition.

The following links are for those who genuinely seek the truth http://commons.lib.niu.edu/handle/10843/9418http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98447&a…
NOTE:In the above link the journalist's headline uses the word "brain" instead of "mind" but most importantly the scientists and doctors who conducted the studies DO make the proper distinction.
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Interview videos of some witnesses claiming them had NDE's are as valid as interview videos of people converting to Islam"
This is a False comparison.Any NDE by a muslim is incompatible with Islamic teachings.It would infact invalidate Muhammad and his Quran.

If you believe Mohammed/Islam on the basis of your scull cap Imams sermons ,don't do that .Here all of us are clairvoyant baby ,don't try to come up with crap things ,people like you came in innumerable numbers and gone ,you don't know you are a new customer here,see more articles of Mr.Sina here in this site ,many of your kinda you ,will encounter hahaha.

" It will be kufra in eyes of Allah"
Kufra is also done by prophet Muhammad, Kufr ul-Istihal: Disbelief out of trying to make haram into halal. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (halal) that which Allah has made unlawful (haram) like alcohol or adultery. Only Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, has the prerogative to make things halal and haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith
.Kufra of Muhammad -> Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu lima tuharrimu ma ahalla Allahu laka tabtaghee mardata azwajika waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Read this and it will be clear to all of you Mohammad also made Haram into Halal. He is also a kafir

Like you and all others who believe in allah and Muhammad. Those who think that Adam spoke arabic which had not evolved as a single language until after the quran was published many years following the death of the super liar/conman, Muhammad.

@Nizamuddin
Dear, you have wrong notion regarding prophet. Prophet was messenger of Allah and he was best creation Allah. He fought for righteousness. You people claim he raided and looted the people. Yes, He raided and looted the people but why? Because they were not following true religion (Islam). They were disobeying Allah and prophet. And marring with 6 years old girl Aisha also a divine sanction to prophet. Prophet never questioned like you on Allah commands? This our life is for testing. Allah looks whether we are questioning on his commandments or following them truthfully? Prophet did complete surrender to the will of Allah and set example before us. I do not want to go in arguments earth is flat or egg shaped. We are to believe what has Allah said to us. We are to obey Allah sincerely. As far my knowledge Allah nowhere said earth is egg shaped then why should I believe earth is egg shaped? It will be kufra in eyes of Allah.

14. Muhammad will not forget the revelations which Allah gives him (sura 87:6-7), is then changed to withdrawing that which Allahs wills to withdraw (i.e. revelations) (17:86).15. Allah commits himself as law to act mercifully, which implies cause and effect (sura 6:12), yet later in the same sura we find that "If Allah willed, he could have brought them all together to the guidance, Whom Allah will he sendeth astray, and whom he will he placeth on a straight path" (vss. 35 & 39).16. Concerning predestination, in sura 57:22 we find the words, "No evil befalls on the earth, nor on your own souls but it is in a book before We bring into existence." And in sura 76:29-31 it says, ", whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord, Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth, He maketh whom He will to enter His mercy, " Both of these contradict sura 42:30, which states, "Whatever of misfortune striketh you, it is what your right hands have earned."17. In sura 5:82, Pagans and Jews are considered the furthest from Muslims, while Christians are the nearest, yet in sura 5:51 & 57 Muslims are told not to have Christians as friends. Interestingly, in the same verse (51) it comments that Jews and Christians are friends, yet the only thing they have in common is their agreement on the authenticity of the Old Testament.18. Muhammad was the first to bow down to Allah (i.e. the first Muslim) (sura 6:14,164; 39:12). Yet these passages forget that Abraham, his sons and Jacob were former Muslims (sura 2:132) as were all the earlier prophets (sura 28:52-53), and Jesus' disciples (3:52).19. Allah curses all liars, yet permits Muhammad to break an oath (sura 66:1-2), and though Allah alone may be worshipped, he demands Satan and the angels to worship Adam, with the result that Satan is eternally punished because he refused to do so (sura 2:32).20. An abrogation evidenced by Muslims today is the claim that the Bible (which they admit is a revealed book) has been altered and corrupted. Yet sura 10:65 reads, "There is no changing in the Words of Allah," and sura 6:33,34 reads, "There is none that can alter the decisions (revelations) of Allah."21. In sura 17:101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7:133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine).22. In sura 51:57 we find that Jinn were created to worship Allah, yet in sura 7:176 we find that the Jinn were created for Hell.23. In sura 17:103 we are told that Pharaoh was drowned with his army, yet in sura 10:90-92, upon admitting to the power of God, he is rescued as a sign to others.24. Angels are commanded by Allah to bow down to Adam in suras 15:29-30; 20:116, which they do, yet Allah prohibits anyone worshipping any but him (suras 4:116; 18:110).25. Lust is condemned in sura 79:40-41, yet in sura 4:24-25 Allah permits polygamy, divorce, and the use of female slaves as concubines (one needs to ask why a man needs a concubine if not to satisfy his lust). Furthermore, for those who are faithful lust is the primary, and unlimited reward in heaven (suras 55:46-78; 56:11-39). Surely if lust is wrong on earth and hateful to a Holy God, it cannot be pleasing to him in paradise.26. On that same note, wine is forbidden while on earth (sura 5:91), yet rivers of wine await the faithful in paradise (suras 47:15; 76:5; 83:25)27. Muslims Jews, Christians, and Sabians are all considered saved in sura 2:62, yet in sura 3:85 only Muslims are considered saved.28. In sura 4:157 we read that Jesus did not die, yet in sura 19:33 we read that not only did he die, but he arose again! (note: Yusuf Ali has no rebuttal here, but in his footnote no.2485 refers to sura 19:15, which repeats the same words for Yahya, and then refers the reader to sura 4:157-a vivid example of using a Nasikh verse to abrogate one which is Mansukh in order to get out of a "jam"

"Only God knows. And Allaah knows best."
1. In sura 2:142-144, we find the change of the Qibla, the direction of prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back to Mecca.2. The inheritance laws in suras 4:7; & 2:180, provides an equal share for women and men, and then is doubled for men in sura 4:11.3. The change of night prayers from a full night in sura 73:2-4, to a half or less, or whatever was easy to do in sura 73:20.4. The change of punishment for adulteresses, beginning with life imprisonment, found in sura 4:15, and then changed to 100 strokes by flogging, according to sura 24:2. Remember that these two examples make no mention of the previous 'missing' aya which prescribes the stoning for those who commit adultery. It is also interesting to note that Homosexuals were let off if they repented, according to sura 4:16, though this same allowance was not given for heterosexuals.5. The change of the retaliation laws where retaliation for the crime (murder) was confined to people of equal rank (i.e. slave for slave) in sura 2:178, then it was to be carried out only against the murderer by the heir, sura 17:33 (note: Ali adds Qisas and forgiving to the Arabic).6. The change of the days of creation from 6 (7:54; 25:59) to 8 (41:9- 12).7. The change of the hierarchy of prophets, where they were initially equal (suras 3:84;2:285;2:136) and then some are elevated above the others, sura 2;253 (see Ali's note:289).8. The changes in intercession; at first done by angels and Muhammad (suras 42:5; 24:62), and then were not acceptable to Allah (suras 74:48; 63:5; 34:23).9. The Sword verses: the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 9:5); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 47:5); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 9:29); or "Fight then, until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 8:39); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 9:3). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256).10. Sura 2:184 first allows a rich man to buy himself out of the fast by feeding an indigent. The following verse (185) allows no compensation.11. Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).12. Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).13. Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).

@Nizamuddin Sheikh
I have read Buddha history. Buddha was a non-believer in Allah. He was an atheist and atheist are worst of creature as per Islam. In his whole life he never read Kalama.
Here is some life history of him: Gautama grew up and eventually married a young princess, Yasodhara, who bore him a son, Rahula. One day, however, he persuaded his groom, Channa, to drive him down to the nearby town, where he had not been till then. In all, he was to make four trips to the town which were to totally change his life. On the first trip, he met an old man, on the second a sick man, and on the third he met a party of people carrying a corpse to the cremation ground. Not having seen old age, sickness and death before, he was naturally deeply shocked. In fact so shocked that palace life was no longer pleasant or even bearable for him. He became very concerned with the fact of suffering and with finding a way of ending it. On a fourth trip to the town, he came upon a possible way of finding an answer to his problem. He met an ascetic, a holy man: one who had given up everything to follow the religious life. Despite having nothing, this man radiated a calmness that suggested to Gautama that he had somehow come to terms with the unpleasant fact of suffering.

What is your sects? Because you tell to all this is not my sect which sect of Muhammad you follow. I've already mentioned that Muslims never capable to hear against Islam and Muhammad because they know Muhammad was the worst man in this world and we are the follower of such worst.

@Nizamuddin the apostate
//Indians not claiming like your Allah and Muhmmad that I'm true//
Because they know they are not true. How can they claim to be true? Arbian are Allah best creation and I am proud to be descendant of great Arabs.

You read the Buddha's History and Jesus everything will be clear for your self. I'm not changing the topic, I've already give you the definition of friendship and as per the definition of friendship you judge about them. Every men and women are the member of a family, even your Muhammad also but he teach or show the worst path humanity is going in wore to worst due to his teachings so we are criticizing him.

because this quote give us the power to analyze everything own self and using own knowledge, This means the liberty not the blind faith, and also based on the changing like not you Muslims who teach Photography is Haram, Dancing is Haram, Music is Haram, acting is haram, watching Television is Haram, but when the time come to enjoy for himself everything is Halal. Read the News and see the double speaking of Grand Mufti Kashmir. The Grand Mufti of Kashmir, Bashir-ud-din Ahmad, is in the line of fire of singers’ community who want the controversial cleric to apologize for allegedly forcing young girls to disband their rock-band, Praagaash, five months ago.
Mufti Bashir was caught on tape enjoying music at a public function despite issuing fatwa calling music un-Islamic practice. The video, which has gone viral, has put the Mufti in an embarrassing situation.
“Mufti sahib is seen enjoying the music — the same activity for which he imposed ban on these girls. It is hypocrisy. We should not have restricted the girls at that time… It’s high time he apologized to those girls,” Waheed Jeelani, chairman of Kashmir Music Club, an apex body of singers and musicians, told dna.
Praagaash was disbanded in February after the Grand Mufti, who heads the self-styled supreme court of Shariat, issued a fatwa saying music is un-Islamic and asked the girls to stop their activities. “Mufti sahib is a human being and he too can enjoy music… But the decision to issue fatwa against young girls was wrong. The issue got so much hype that the girls have refused to rejoin the field. He has demolished their career,” Waheed said.
Qaiser Nizami, another noted singer who sang gazals and Sufi kalams during the function attended by the Grand Mufti, said he asked the Mufti Bashir about the fatwa and he replied that “he had opposed the way the girls were performing because it was not acceptable to the society”.
“If the Mufti issues fatwa that music is haram (forbidden) then people like me who have no other source of income than singing will die of hunger,” Nizami said.However, a spokesman for the Mufti said there would be no compromise regarding the verdict against Praagaash.
“There will be no compromise with regard to the fatwa announced regarding the rock band. The conference (Mufti attended) was purely of religious nature. There was neither any kind of rock band nor musical programme during the conference,” the spokesman said.
The Dukhtaran-e-Milat (DeM), a hard-line women separatist group, said the fatwa issued against Praagaash was according to the tenets of Islam. “However, if the Mufti has attended a function where music was played then he needs to explain otherwise it will construed as duplicity,” said Aasiya Andrabi, chief of DeM.

This was happen because in ancient time Indians not know more about Rome but pond is well known things for them so use Pond Rome and Pond is not same if you think like that then again you have to enroll yourself in Nursery class and again learn

In his book, Islamic Mathematics 3 (Reuters, 2009), KH Fahmi Basya mention some of the traits of Borobudur temple which became evident as the relics of the Prophet David's son. Among them, the forest or the land of Saba, Saba meaning, the name of Solomon, the fruit of a bitter maja, removal of the palace the Queen of Saba to Solomon's territory, buildings that are not resolved by the genie, the gathering place of the Queen of Saba, and others.In the Qur'an, the story of King Solomon and the Queen of Saba is mentioned in Surah An-Naml [27]: 15-44, Saba [34]: 12-16, al-Anbiya [21]: 78-81, and others. Of course, many do not believe it when Borobudur is a relic of Solomon.Moreover, Fahmi Basya KH showed evidence based on the description of the Koran. So what if valid proof of Borobudur is a relic of Solomon or the building of Solomon, whose creation is the command?According to Fahmi Basya, and as the authors see through the existing reliefs, there are several symbols, which is impressive and is identical to the story of Solomon and the Queen of Saba, as the description of the Koran. The first is about the ark, a box or crate that contains the legacy of David to Solomon AS. That said, in it there is the book of Psalms, Torah, and the level of Moses, and give you peace. In the relief contained in Borobudur, was a chest or ark was being guarded by someone."And their Prophet said to them: 'Behold the sign he would be king, was the return of the ark to you, in which there is tranquility from your Lord, and the rest of the family heritage of Moses and the family of Aaron, the ark was carried by the angels. Verily in this there was a sign for you , if you are believers. '" (Surah Al-Baqarah [2]: 248).Second, the work is not finished when jin knew Solomon was dead. (Surah Saba [34]: 14). Upon learning of Solomon's death, the jinn were to stop work. At Borobudur, a statue that has not been resolved completely. Unfinished statue was called Solomon.Third, the genie was ordered to build high buildings and making sculptures. (Surah Saba [34]: 13). As is known, many statues of Buddha at Borobudur. While a high building or buildings that are Prambanan.Fourth, Solomon spoke with the birds and animals. (Surat an-Naml [27]: 20-22). There are also reliefs. In fact, a number of reliefs of Borobudur motivated frame flowers and birds. There are also a number of reliefs other animals, like elephants, horses, pigs, dogs, monkeys, and others.Fifth, the story of the Queen of Saba and the people who worshiped the sun and bow to a fellow human being. (Surat an-Naml [27]: 22). According to Fahmi Basya, Saba means gathering or meeting place. Hud-hud expressions bird on Saba, because birds do not know the name of the area. "Never mind the birds, humans only when it is above the plane, will not know the name of a city or country," he explains. Fahmi added Basya, a gathering place of man in the temple of Ratu Boko is located approximately 36 kilometers from Borobudur. It also allows the distance traveled in a single bird flying.Sixth, Saba is in Indonesia, namely Wonosobo. In the Qur'an, the Saba a lot overgrown with trees. (Surah Saba [34]: 15). In ancient Jawi language dictionary, compiled by Dr Maharsi, the word 'Wana' meaning forest. Thus, according to Fahmi, saba or wana Wonosobo Saba is the woods.Seventh, fruit 'maja' bitter. When the great flood (Sail al-Arim) hit the region of Saba, the trees around him to be bitter as the Wrath of God to those who deny his revelations."But, they turn away, We bring to them the great flood [1236], and We converted their two garden with two garden is overgrown (trees) producing bitter fruit, tamarisks, and some of the trees Sidr tree." (Surah Saba [34]: 16).Eighth, the name of Solomon shows the name of the Javanese. Prefix the word 'su'merupakan Java names. And Solomon is the only prophets and apostles 25 people, whose names beginning with 'Su'. Ninth, Solomon sent a letter to the Queen of Saba through bird Hud-hud. "Go thou to bring this letter." (Surat an-Naml [27]: 28). The minister said the letter was written on plates of gold as a form of wealth of Solomon. He added that the letter was found in a pond at Ratu Boko.Tenth, the building is low (Sidrin qalil). See Surah Saba [34] 16). Building is low it is the Ratu Boko. And there are a number of stupas are low. "This proves that Ratu Boko Palace is a palace of the Queen of Saba who was transferred by order of Solomon," said Fahmi stressed.In addition to the above evidence, Fahmi said, there are many more other evidence which suggests that the story of Solomon and the Queen of Saba in Indonesia. As the monsoon winds blowing from Asia and Australia (Surah Saba [34]: 12), the story of the palace which is lost or removed, the Queen Bilqis dialogue with the princes when he received a letter Sulaiman (Surat An-Naml [27]: 32), the name Sleman district, District Salaman, Salam village, and others. With the above evidence, Fahmi Basya believe that Borobudur is a relic of Solomon. What about the readers? Only God knows. And Allaah knows best.

But sakat said they are birds of same feather? can birds of same feather be friends and live together?
the meaning of above quotes not denoting them birds, It means he is saying that both like peace, love and humility. Do you hear that Buddha killed and try to killed people, no. About Jesus he also never did. The meaning of above quote is this. But you directly use birds. Take a proverb "Rome was not built in a day" but in Hindi we use "Boond boond kare hi Talab Bharata hai" in English A pond will be full drop by drop. Both contain same meaning.

First I will see because I believe in this quote Do not believe in anything (simply)because you have heard it.Do not believe in traditions because theyhave been handed down for many generations.Do not believe in anything because it isspoken and rumoured by many.Do not believe in anything (simply)becauseit is found in your religious books.Do not believe in anything merelely on the authorityof your teachers & elders.But after observations & analysis,when you find anything that agrees with reasonand is conducive to the good & benefit of one & allthen accept it & live upto it .

The proponents of God hypothesize that the term “God” resolves to The “Creator”. They claim that God is ‘something’ rather than ‘nothing’, who can move and perform activities, like “create”. This is their CLAIM, and they ask you to take it at face value and NOT ask any further questions. Whether God is….Invisible Untouchable Unknowable Undetectable Untestable Hidden Mysterious Almighty Complex Not able to be scientifically analyzed and evidenced.Wamin kulli shay-in khalaqna zawjayni laAAallakum tathakkaroona.51:49, And of everything We have created pairs: That ye may receive instructionI’m mentioning only one Sura because you have already also studied there is not required. And if God is really existed he does not talk a silly and useless teaching to human being. Again if he is really existed he really punished to him who do this as he punished in quran, Bible, and Hindus books, but all these happens in the initial stage of religion today such kinds of things are not going on why? The agent of religion doing but today we believe in science and try to understand what the reason behind this is? So they are failed in his effort.Whether God can or cannot create Himself, a believer must land upon one of the two horns of this diabolical impasse: Allah can create Himself out of NOTHING. Therefore, NOTHINGNESS is greater than Allah? On the other hand, Allah cannot create Himself out of NOTHING? Therefore, HE is not absolute. HE is relatively weak, and completely redundant! And this show Allah/God does not exit. If he does not exist then it is not required to know the number because it shows it is zero. Nothing will happen because this universe is approximately 13,750,000,000 years old and everything’s is going well except our fight that made this earth horrible (from ancient time to till now how many war he have fought due to name of religion and our selfishness, and from where this selfishness started? When anyone stated to curse the right of other this depend on the personality if the victim have introvert personality he can’t oppose this but other one learn from both side and it take a hard way.) You will ask about disaster this also created by us today we are cutting down trees in large numbers, we crushing mountains, we digging earth to out minerals but not again filled up them and this be a disaster for ourselves.

Dear Sister Narcole,
"are jesus and budha friends living in same place?" first we start what is friendship, Friendship is a personal relationship shared between each friend for the welfare of each other, in other words, it is a relationship of trust, faith and concern for each others feelings. It is a relationship of mutual caring and intimacy among one another. And as per the definition of oxford, a person with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically one exclusive of sexual or family relations. Now you can judge it were they friends?

"You know very little about quran. You said you were moslem?"
Yes if anyone praise the Quran you know better this is Allah gave you Ilam and if anyone criticize logically pooh! Poor! and many harsh word used by muslims. And they also proof, he is the agent of Jews. This is only form Muslims like the man who unable to have grapes and, told to himself these grapes are sour.

Do you know this strategy is ancient? Like a company who produces msg and success, but rival company got jealous and paid some guys to put najis food into the company and then told people not to buy products from that company anymore but should buy from rival company? Like a new company whos succees in making tea innovation better than previous company but the rival company put cockroaches into the tea n told people not to buy the tea anymore cos not hygienic? Like double agent intelligents got paid to ruin one from inside? We moslems aint dumb. See how many moslems now. We know that such terrorists aint part of us. They are double agents. Dont ask proofs. Too many. Ur just too blind.

"Lol do you know surah saba? queen saba was balqis, solomons wife. saba was a rich land but then cursed cos the people was ungrateful to god. In quran its mentioned god cursed maja tree to become bitter. Then the place called majapahit. then became indonesia" Do you know your user name Narcole is near the Sanskrit Word Narikel it means Coconut, so you are also hindu because your username is so many times used in holy books of HIndus. FaaAAradoo faarsalna AAalayhim sayla alAAarimi wabaddalnahum bijannatayhim jannatayni thawatay okulin khamtin waathlin washay-in min sidrin qaleelin
But they turned away (from Allah), and We sent against them the Flood (released) from the dams, and We converted their two garden (rows) into "gardens" producing bitter fruit, and tamarisks, and some few (stunted) Lote-trees. 34:16 this sura not denote Maja this denote bitter and in Arabic also not the word Maja and there are so many fruits that have also bitter taste. In India, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Pakistan. "Neem" Azadirachta indica found and its leave, bark everyone is bitter but it not define that there will be neem.
"And bahasa was from malay and i told you there are 1 million of languages. So u want quran in 1 million languages? You dont even understand one lol quran already created in our dna. in arabic. arabic is universal language in islam" Yes everyone want a translated Quran from allah so no one have a doubt in his/her mind to understand his teachings. and how can we say Arabic is the universal language of Islam? How many Muslims understand Arabic till today ?

Oh which "jamaah"? I did tell about jamaah who follow sunnah nabi. Not jamaah who follow dajjal politicians. And countries arents related to religions. Government only uses religion as excuse for them to gain support and power.

Your talking about ego. While religion is super ego. And god never did zhalim toward his servants, he asks us to help ourselves too. Hes happy if we find eternal happiness. That means it includes seeking gods ridha too. Btw ur wrong about the age of earth. Until now scientists cant make sure the age of earth cos the ancient oldest rock that they need to observe already gone and processed inside of earth. The age of earth they could get only from whats left on earth. You are questioning whether afterlife is true or false, before asking about future, you cant even answer whether what scientists said about past is true or false.

Please remember to bring scientific evidence, and also to deal with the counter-evidence which is supported by science. Youtube videos of people saying they had an NDE, do not count as evidence. Multiple scientific studies that agree with each other count. The claim for NDE's is made by their believers, so they have to prove the claim. Just like Muslims claim Islam is true, it is Muslims first who have to prove the claim.

"Slave of prophet and me are moslems. and moslems are taught to unite as one in jamaah"

Yeah, I learned the word Ummah, but "jamaah" it is. This unity is understandable; I heard the same from a Jehovah's Witness, in relation to their "jamaah".

But the Slave of the Prophet lives in India, a secular democratic country. His fellow "jamaah"members in Islamic countries and among terrorists are often expressing and practicing anti-Indian, anti Western and anti-democratic attitude and actions. Which side will he choose then?

This goes for all Muslims in non-Islamic-majority-countries. When tough choices arise, do they choose for "jamaah' or "country"?

If for "jamaah" can they understand their non-Muslim countrymen can justifiably see them as traitors?

Look, Japan did allow almost zero Islamic immigration. Did they make the right choice, because they now do not have Muslim-traitors in their midst? Is that what you will honestly admit?

Will you say: Look India, look Western countries, sorry, but we unite with your Muslim enemies in the "jamaah", even if we live amongst you?

So, you should have rejected our immigration, just as Japan does? And India should have properly divided and send ALL MUSLIMS TO PAKISTAN?

But then again, when it is necessary for you Muslims in India and the West, to have costly medical care and government service, for yourselves, or for your children or parents, from Indian or Western medical care, docters, government services,

Do you THEN go to our "jamaah"? No, you go to the infidels for help!

And therefore your first loyalty should be to your country, not your "jamaah". If you can't be loyal first and foremost to your country. then morally you should go to an Islamic country, I think.

"Demsci, if you lived at same time with him, would you still question this?"

As I am now? Definitely, yes. With the proviso of course, if I safely could do it, I am not suicidal.

I think mankind could and can do better than following Mohammed and especially his political views and goals and I would as I am now also then try to promote democracy and science, and freedom and enlightenment-values.

"Time is relative. now im asking, what is the age of this earth ? how many years. While in heaven 1 day is 1000 years in here. Do you think 100 years is long? its only about two hours. should we trade eternal glory with 2 hour game?"

Deep. you are a very serious girl. I did not expect that from pretty girls, but I guess I just don't know their thoughts. But I compliment you on the seriousness and the thinking you have done.

Agree on the parafrasing of "shortness of life" and "100 years is 2 hours" (if that). Remember, a Darwinist like me believes that: Big Bang occurred # 13 billion years ago. That # 4,5 billion years ago primitive one-celled life began, and only 600 million years ago complex plant- and animal life started. And only # 200.000 years mankind as we know it emerged. Only # 40.000 years ago humans started to speak. Only 5.500 years ago what we know as civilization started in Uruk in Iraq. So yes, time is veeeeeery relative.

But is the story about the afterlife true or false? If true you are on right track, if false what more than this life do we, our ego's, get? But you have no proof and you just gamble, I think. And I think promise of heaven is untrue, and we should use our life, our perhaps 75 years well, not waste it, giving it away and giving it up to religion and it's representatives.

And if you believe in eternal glory in heaven, for your soul, is this soul distinquishable from your EGO? Or not? If not, is it not still egoistic of you to want to live eternally? Because then you aim and strive for it only for YOURSELF. And for YOURSELF you follow Islam and for no other reason, not even for Allah, really.

If you had taught to unite why three Kahlifa had killed by Muslims also ? Muhammad taught you to fight to everyone first you will fight against Non-believers, then you will fight with Shitte, next you will fight with Sufi, ahmadiya, Barelavi, Kadiyani etc. after these you will fight against Progressive Muslims who will deny that earth is round, and told sun not set in murky water, and all women who deny Burqa, after that you will calm, No? because you will guilty that we were the follower of Satan Muhammad who killed our brothers and sisters

Slave of prophet and me are moslems. and moslems are taught to unite as one in jamaah, not to split into many sects. the right one sect is taught to guide other moslems if there differences, and discuss. the right one sect, tends to unite, thats why called ahlus sunnah wal jama3ah. but if there sect which tends to have ally-infidel-gators, then its not the right sect.

"We are one" I'm agree with you but Allah is not existed because if he born us, teach us then he also understand our language, he also know everything what will happen. So he was very well known about Indonesia will be the largest Muslim country so first he had to send the Quran in Bahasa but there were not a Sura that say anything about Indonesia.

"Quran came to prophet step by step, depended on situation."
Dear Narcole you mentioned Quran came to prophet step by step depended on situation, but Allah know everything what will happen and what is going on and what had means everything so why not he gave this Quran same time because he know everything and his messenger will also understand that his will be happen. This is Muhammad he said his stupid and useless story to the stupid followers and they also believe this I've already given the proof of his follower ( in the story of Abu Bakr and his Mrs. conversation regarding marrieage of Aisha), and other story he stolen from Bible and Torah.

Time is relative. now im asking, what is the age of this earth ? how many years. While in heaven 1 day is 1000 years in here. Do you think 100 years is long? its only about two hours. should we trade eternal glory with 2 hour game?

Quran came to prophet step by step, depended on situation. At that time, even one ayat could be applied to many cases. It took 22 years 2 months 22 days for 6666 ayat in simple perfect fus7a arabic. How many languages in this world? Angel of death can speak 1 million of languages. Do the math how long it would take. Allahu ahad. One god. Sholat to one direction. Hajj in one destination. All humans gather in one place, one language, one direction, as one from one. We unite as one in jamaah. We unite as bani adam. We are one.

But, Slave of Prophet, do you acknowledge that, officially, Mohammed at 24 was not yet the prophet of Islam, which he only became at age 40 (in 610 AD)?

What do you think Muhammad was like before his prophethood? A nice but ordinary guy? Did his behavior not deteriorate morally? I mean only AFTER becoming Prophet AND POWERFUL, did he marry the young girl. Before that time he married and stayed faithful with ONE adult woman

Yes, you are set on your course. But is it YOUR course only or he course for all Muslims or for something in between? If so, only for a tiny minority of Muslims or for big parts of them?

How will it work out for the infidels? Can Islam be interpreted in favor of Democracy and peace&friendship with America & The West? No one here thinks so. Do you also admit Democracy, peace&friendship with the West is not possible with true, dedicated Muslims? If so please admit so openly. We can go from there.

Did you hear from the Mutazilites, who were for REASON in Islam? In the early days of Islam, with Averroes (also known as Ibn Rushd)? Did you hear that Islamic scholars like Al Ghazali and Islamic leaders following them snuffed out Reason in Islam (around 1200 AD)?

Slave of Prophet, is it your highest goal to reach heaven? I mean, are you determined to do everything to be qualified for some eternal life in heaven? And is this what you use the earthly life for?

Do you forgo all pleasures that jeopardises your goal to heaven, dedicating your life only to do things that will help you reach heaven?

Is it your aim to help your beloved Allah, or are you only selfishly worshipping HIM in the expectation that HE will reward you with heaven? But if HE would not promise this, would you still worship HIM?

And do you want to help to make all mankind Muslim and let there be a caliphate? Or can you accept diversity, in a democratic state, in which Muslims are only one group among many?

You give stark advice about not listening to scientists and using time to reading Quran and worshiping Allah only, is this advice meant for Muslims only? Because if it is only meant for Muslims don't you see that Muslims will fall behind, stay in the 7th century stage of development if they ignore science? While the rest of mankind progresses and performs and looks much better and be much more powerful than Muslims? Because it is undeniable that Science contributed mightily to our progress, longevity, technology.

Do you think many or most Muslims are like you? Do you think for instance that Narcole is like you?

Yes this is true we have not learn Islam and Quran alone because when a question occur in our mind and that is genuine but Allah and his agent (Mullah) will end such curiosity, and if you ask them time and again then they also killed you to the crime of kufr

if your statement is true then Muhammad is false because he told after me Allah will not send any messenger from his side. But where is translated Quran from Allah in Hindi, English, Mandarin, Spanish, German or even if your Bahasa although Allah know Indonesia will a largest Muslim Country so why not he give us the Quran in Bahasa. If your Allah and Rasool is true.

This says:
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Recently, a host of studies has revealed potential underpinnings for all the elements of such experiences. "Many of the phenomena associated with near-death experiences can be biologically explained," says neuroscientist Dean Mobbs, at the University of Cambridge's Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. Mobbs and Caroline Watt at the University of Edinburgh detailed this research online August 17 in Trends in Cognitive Sciences.
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Belief in NDE (or anything for that matter) should not exist unless all information from all sources has been considered and the information is evaluated with a logical, scientific mind.

Even saudi sharia polices say those translations haram. we must not learn it alone. especially the translations. there are rules in learning quran or islam, if you break the rules, u could get misled. gosh how many times i have to repeat this to everyone.

@narcole
I never follow non-believers. I trust only Saudi translators. They have greatest understanding of Arabic and I read only their translation. And It is Arabic scholar who hold the original Quran have translated the verse. If you wanted to say translation done by Arabic scholar is not correct because they do not know ARabic you making mockery of them and it is insult of scholars. Are u Arabic? How much you know Arabic in comparison of Arabic scholars?

Dear, dont follow sina in translating and interpreting quran using books. they arent quran. Study quran in majlis ta3lim, and dont believe subjective translation. prophet said those who hold on original quran wont get misled. now ur not holding on quran, but tafsir. tafsir isnt quran.

@narcole
I have full faith in my prophet and allah but you have faith in non-believers that is why you promoting their ideology. Why are u believing non-Muslim claim that earth is earth egg shaped? Muslim scholar have pressure of non-Muslim that is why they are believing in non-Muslim ideology. Supreme religious authority of the Islamic University of Medina, in Saudi Arabia. On page 23 of his infamous book, “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still”, Shaykh‘Abdul-’Azeez ibn ‘Abdullaah ibn Baaz declared, “The earth is flat, and anyone who disputes this claim is an atheist who deserves to be punished.” Thereafter, Sheikh ‘Abdul-’Aziz ibn ‘Abdullah ibn Baaz had received pressure from his contemporaries and eventually was persuaded by his close collegues to edit his book. The first edition of “Evidence that the Earth is Standing Still” has been discarded and the subsequent editions revised.
Allah has given us ample proof earth is flat.
Translation of the Qur’aanic verses 018:083-091:
“And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): “O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness.” He said: “As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell). “But as for him who believes (in Allah’s Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Dhul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions).” Then he followed another way, Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun. So (it was)! And We knew all about him (Dhul-Qarnain).” [Translation courtesy of Muhammad Muhsin Khan and Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al Hilali]

@narcole
Why are you misguiding the people the Quranic verse 39:5 you quoted Khalaqa As-Samāwāti ……………Musammáan 'Alā Huwa Al-`Azīzu Al-Ghaffāru
This great verse no where says earth is egg shaped . Verse meaning is
039.005 He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power – He Who forgives again and again?

Abdul, we should have faith in islam 3ainul yaqin and haqqul yaqin. We shudnt follow islam too blindly cos many sects in islam. there no contradiction in quran, only misinterpretations who create contradictions and then make islam split into sects. If you misinterprete quran and one day your children question about it they could doubt islam. this is what happening in society now. i dont know ur sect, maybe different than mine?

@Agracean
Prophet marriage with 6 years old Aisha at the age of 53 and prophet marriage at the age of 24 with Khadija who was 45 years old show us that prophet had love for all people of society. He treated Khadija an older woman and a 6 years old child girl Aisha equally. This show prophet greatness.

Mr Slave of Prophet, your above comment reminds me of those giant Ponzi scheme victims who were being conned by Bernard Madoff. They trust that con man so much that they believe whatever he said without any questioning at all. It's sad to know that many braindead zombies like you are heading towards destruction by following a horrible false prophet blindly without questioning any of his teachings and his real intentions for marrying a 6 years old little young girl and having sex with her when she turned 9 years old. No sane man in his 50s will have sex with such a young girl and what's more, this dead 7th century man claimed to be a all merciful prophet and this was what his mercy is all about!

I always believe in holy Quran firmly. In Quran nowhere Allah said earth is egg shaped. If earth would be egg shaped Allah would have said this clearly. But we have ample proof from Quran earth is flat. And this life of us is for testing. We should believe whatever Allah has said to us. Only belief in Allah can lead us to eternal heaven. We should not waist time listening scientist views and discoveries instead of we should use this time reading Quran and worshiping Allah only this can lead us to eternal heaven.

I think quran already explained how earth was and will be. in my language the term in quran at takwir is more like black hole theory. but if ur language translates it as flat, so we have to return to original arabic again.

@All
We should aware that scientist views keep on changing. Today they claim earth is egg shaped tomorrow they can claim earth is flat. But this universe is changing. And I believe earth was flat in 7th century and prophet was correct. And earth will be flat again at the day of resurrection.

Narcole, Islam is a lie. Muhammad was just kidding. Leave Islam today. Your prophet Muhammad had sex with 9 year old Aisha. That makes him a pedophile and you a pedophile worshiper and you idealize a violent pedophile. Stop it and leave Islam.

Ah it seems i have to repost again : In al isra2:85 said, wa yas2aluunaka 3anir ruu7. Qulir ruu7u min amri rabbii. Wa maa 2uutiitum minal 3lmi illaa qaliilan. But some 3ulama said something about ruh. Eventhough i dont believe much cos quran already said its gods business and we only know little. There are ruh sulthaniyah, ruh ruhaniyah and ruh jasmaniyah. Ruh sulthaniyah is the sulthan who orders mind to do what it wants, ruh ruhaniyah is soul who feels emotions, ruh jasmaniyah receives signal from ruh sulthaniah like walk, blink, eat, etc. when someone sleeps, ruh jasmaniyah is out, if ruh sulthaniyah follows, he can experience dreams. if ruh ruhaniyah is out, the person dies. looney persons ruh sulthaniyah not working well, so he lost his mind. faint person has ruh ruhaniyah still inside, thats why still alive.

As my explanation before about ruh sulthaniyah, ruh jasmaniyah and ruh ruhaniyah, which ruh at what stage in life begin to exist you are asking about? for certain, ruh ruhaniyah came from long time ago, ruh jasmaniyah starts at 4 months in tummy, and ruh sulthaniyah starts when aqil baligh.

Okay from what I gathered you believe our lives where planned by God before we was born? This belief of yours has nothing to do with my question of at what stage in life does the soul which means our ego begin to exist?

Im sorry none understood my message yet. your soul, my soul, ur ancestors souls, my ancestors souls, and next generations souls, were created at the same time long time ago. so our souls age is old. but since the creation of bodies as hosts for the souls needs process, which is pregnancy, marriage between a man and woman, so each soul had/have to wait. so if im infertile, it means, none will be my decendants. the waiting souls need to wait for turn. and its malaikats task to select which soul for which baby by gods order. and when the pregnancy reaches 4 months, malaikat will blow the soul into that meat, also put dust together inside from soil where he might die one day to return.

"but a soul moved to a mothers tummy by malaikat when the age of pregnancy 4 months." If this is what you believe then you must believe the *soul* is a physical thing. "so our grandchildrens souls already created too." Future generations have not been born yet.

Mr Marathon
I am impressed with your this post ,however i am totally bogged down with ,the last part of your post ."Its an excuse not to live life. This is the sub-conscious mind trying to make us lazy so we don't have to live life, so we don't have to think about spending those 10 dollars carefully". really heart touching for an action oriented man ,hats up!!!

If a person remained unmarried or maintain celibacy whole of his life ,how his children,grand children roll over into existence ha ha ha.Do some rehearsal of logic baby ,don't go after that mad thug for all crap solutions.

Our souls were created long time ago, after god created Nur Muhammad, and then 3arash. but a soul moved to a mothers tummy by malaikat when the age of pregnancy 4 months. so our grandchildrens souls already created too. they are just waiting for their turn to replace us so that this earth wont be so full.

"Where in the evolutionary line did our consciousness decide to exit the monkey's body and live outside on its own?" That is a very good question, another very good question is, where in the process of our own individual lives does the soul begin to exist? Is it when the sperm fertilizes the egg? Is it when the fetus develops in the womb? Is it the moment of birth? Is it when we can walk and talk? It is when we can reason and empathize? It is when we become self sufficient? Is it when we get married and have children of our own? Is it when we reach old age and become weak and fragile? Or is it at at the moment of death? Where exactly in the process of our lives does the soul *come in*?

Monkeys, pigs, hyenas, ants, caterpillars, fish, cows — do they have consciousness outside their bodies after they die? Where do those ghosts go? So ….. no. NDE's and consciousness outside our bodies, these beliefs are not true.
We cant say they are true if we are unable to deal with the counter arguments. Value your 10 dollars. This is all we will ever have now and after death we disappear. The evidence is not there.

hi Ali
Are NDE's real? We have to look at what the other side is saying too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDI6n9sWZzo
"Are out-of-body experiences real? – The Atheist Experience #691"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjYDZ8fUHk
"Near Death Experiences Explained!"http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/643074-pea…
"Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations (2011)"
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Recently, a host of studies has revealed potential underpinnings for all the elements of such experiences. "Many of the phenomena associated with near-death experiences can be biologically explained," says neuroscientist Dean Mobbs, at the University of Cambridge's Medical Research Council Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit. Mobbs and Caroline Watt at the University of Edinburgh detailed this research online August 17 in Trends in Cognitive Sciences.
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Can monkeys have consciousness outside their bodies? You believe in evolution, so my question is: Where in the evolutionary line did our consciousness decide to exit the monkey's body and live outside on its own? Why did this start to happen?

If we cannot deal with the arguments made by the counter side, we have to accept NDE's may not exist. And regarding God you should read Richard Dawkins books.
If we focus on this life we have and we're able to live it correctly to the fullest extent, we have done all we need to do.
People who believe in an afterlife of some kind are not able to LIVE life fully because we all know we have 10 dollars in our pockets, which is this life. Atheists believe thats the only 10 dollars we'll ever have. People with afterlife beliefs think they have 10 trillion dollars after they die. So to them the 10 dollars is nothing.
Its an excuse not to live life. This is the sub-conscious mind trying to make us lazy so we don't have to live life, so we don't have to think about spending those 10 dollars carefully.

"First of all memories can be rocovered through hypnotherapy." I would like to see that with Alzheimer's patient. Also when you take out a part of your brain then what that part does is gone (just like if you lose your sense organs then you would lose that sense, or your legs then you will not be able to walk again). Take out the Broca's area then you take out speech. If you ablate the temporal lobes, you take out morality. Ablate the frontal lobe, and you radically transform personality, volition, and so on. Damage to the frontal cortex could produce a serial killer like Ted Bundy.

"No one is disptuing that the brain can effect the mind. " As is clear from the examples above not only does the brain effect the mind, physical events can dramatically change your personality.

"If my brain is destroyed my consciousness will also continue to exist because we're existentially independent" It is obvious that your not independent from your brain.

"my mind needs a brain in good condition to function and communicate effectively." Well all the evidence points to the fact that your mind needs your brain to exist, just like to view this web page you need your computer screen to be fully functioning.

"Likewise,the experiences of the brain" I thought you believe a brain cannot have experiences? The brain does not just simple *influence* the mind, it produces it.

With brain damage you can lose memory, cognitive faculties and your conscience. Despite what you believe our consciousness is not separate from the body, when you take mind altering drugs your consciousness is effected"
First of all memories can be rocovered through hypnotherapy.Secondly,you're misrepresenting our position regarding brain alterations on the mind and vice versa.The non-materialist's position is that there's a fuctional dependence (unidirectional) of mind and brain but also an ontological independence of the mind from the brain.No one is disptuing that the brain can effect the mind.
Going back to Ali Sina's analogy of the brain as a transmitter and receiver like a cellphone or computer.If my cell or computer is destroyed I'll continue to exist.If my brain is destroyed my consciousness will also continue to exist because we're existentially independent.But you're refering to a functional dependence.Just as I need a cellphone to be in excellent working condition in order to relay my messages,or the quality of my voice will sound bad,likewise,my mind needs a brain in good condition to function and communicate effectively.HOWEVER,my cell or computer can influence me,such as the information,messages,videos,etc. Likewise,the experiences of the brain can also influence the mind.I do concede,there's a unidirectional influence of mind and brain but the real issue is of an existential independence and not the functional dependence you're refering to which does not clash at all with the mind/brain duality hypothesis.

/Congenital blinds don't see dreams in pictures/
So you agree that dreams too are bound by limitations ,here i think you accept the valid reasons raised by Materealist (regarding without inputs to brain no dreams either ).

Dear Nizamuddin thanks for considering me as your brother ! .. I am still an India ,but due to my job I will be stationed somewhere in Asia . Right now we have completed a project in Thailand and next moving to Brunei .
So always on the move ! thanks once again for the warning . Best regards !.

I can't remember all my dreams (a lot are boring), but since I have good sleep pattern, I can solve easily a lot of everyday little problem, and the work I'm doing is going fine.
Yeah, dreams are healthy. If they weren't no humans no animals had dreams.

Thanks for blessing my child and they will because I never told them that you have to fight against Non-believers, yes you fight with your thought for all against unsocial systems, not using bomb and Missile and rocket launcher and be a suicide bomber & try to kill human beings, you be a good human and believe in humanity.

In al isra2:85 said, wa yas2aluunaka 3anir ruu7. Qulir ruu7u min amri rabbii. Wa maa 2uutiitum minal 3lmi illaa qaliilan. But some 3ulama said something about ruh. Eventhough i dont believe much cos quran already said its gods business and we only know little. There are ruh sulthaniyah, ruh ruhaniyah and ruh jasmaniyah. Ruh sulthaniyah is the sulthan who orders mind to do what it wants, ruh ruhaniyah is soul who feels emotions, ruh jasmaniyah receives signal from ruh sulthaniah like walk, blink, eat, etc. when someone sleeps, ruh jasmaniyah is out, if ruh sulthaniyah follows, he can experience dreams. if ruh ruhaniyah is out, the person dies. looney persons ruh sulthaniyah not working well, so he lost his mind. faint person has ruh ruhaniyah still inside, thats why still alive.

I wish some more Muslims follow your path .Truly you have saved your children's future and let them grow up to be model citizens of your country . Really you are a remarkable guy Nizamuddin .Wishing you a peaceful healthy life to you & your family ,
I have already related your story to my colleges( muslims ) ,I am sure they may be envying you ,one of them already replied saying why I am telling this kind of news in between their puasa ( Ramadan ) .

"it is also obvious to everyone that the Earth is flat. It is also obvious that time and space are immutable." That the earth is a Spherical is based on observation which is empirical evidence. No one has ever observed a *soul* or a realm of the dead, or anything else of this nature. These are fairy tales that belong in the same basket as the virgin birth and the Resurrection of the dead.

"Show me the evidence for this claim." If consciousness were separate from the body/matter it could not be aware of. The fact you are reading this now is proof that the mind is not separate from the body. (or put it this why how could an immaterial soul read the words on a computer screen?) "According to your logic, this proves the radio generates all the sounds." Our consciousness is not like a radio, if our body were simple a avatar controlled by our mind, the the physical state of the avatar (body) would have no effect on the mind. Obviously this is not the reality.

"No you have none." I already said when our brain is damaged so is memory. With brain damage you can lose memory, cognitive faculties and your conscience. Despite what you believe our consciousness is not separate from the body, when you take mind altering drugs your consciousness is effected, when your body needs food YOU feel hungry. When you get injured you feel pain. If you lose your legs YOU will no longer be able to walk. If you damage your eyes you no longer have sight. If memory was independent from the body, how on earth would it work? How for example would you remember what you eat yesterday if memory does not depend on the body? These are facts that are obvious to everyone.

The dream, symbolizes aspects of yourself that you fear. This may involve a painful memory, guilt, or some repressed thoughts. Or you may be afraid of death and dying.. The dream may also be a calling for you to move on and abandon your outdated modes of thinking and behavior.. Overall , it shows ur acute stress, low confidence, will over powered depression , frustration, insecurity and fear of failure. Dear Lewis, I left Islam in this month dated on 5-July-2013 and my wife leave dated on 14-July-2013, till 19-July-2013 we both are in fear and that is unknown fear but we never see any miracles of Islam, Now Kutu, Narcole and other will say that Satan diverted you and you will not able to see such things. but my children one is 7 years old and other is 4 years old, but my elder baby never see such things while he have not declared which religion would he like or will he be a humanist or atheist. If he see any dream only of chocolates, Tom & Jerry or other things but he never saw such dream. Why ? because he never heard about these things. Each religion say baby's are god gifted, why not my baby see any such creation of Allah/God in dream? Was he Satan gifted? if he is Satan Gifted, he should be seen how is Satan, how is his emperor, where does he live? what does he eat? what kinds of cloth Satan wear, What Language Satan Speak, but till today he only heard about Allah, my father some times said to him so he asked to us? And the question is where Allah live? How he looks? Does he see pogo, Tom & Jerry, Mr. Bin etc. so this is only fear and as you assume you will see if you assume that Allah is also in hell fire with us you must will see he is with us in hell fire in dream.

"but our memory and our consciousness is not on our body." This is not true and their is no evidence of any such thing. If a neurosurgeon wants you to lose memory (among other things) he will know exactly what part of your brain to damage. If our memory is not in the brain then where do you believe it is?

"I did not share with her my plans." According to what you wrote she had the dream the night before you went to the church, so she (very likely) had already decided she was going to church and was going to invite you.

"You can't explain that with coincidence." Why not? People win the lottery, when what are the chances of that? Furthermore if telepathy is a reality why does it not happen all the time and to everyone?

"I will write on this in a few days." Yes you need to explain why that and in detail.

"You really need to get some knowledge about quantum physics." I admit I know nothing about what happens in the quantum world, but I have never heard any scientist claim it provides evidence (and an explanation &nbsp;for) telepathy, remote viewing, soul, life after death and reincarnation.

"I did not bring up entanglement to explain it." You wrote "Quantum physics is beginning to find the answer to these puzzles." So obviously you seemed to be claiming quantum physics held the explanation for telepathy, so I posted a video of a physicist with the opposite view.

I read somewhere dreams are necessary. It is like the brain defragmenting its information. Another theory is that dreams are rehearsals. They prepare us to face the difficulties of the world. In any case they are fun but they are not messages from God to us. It is a big mistake to make major decisions based on dreams.

Not necessarily! Young people are curious, which is a good thing and also impressionable, which is not a good thing. I am glad he wrote to me. That means he is smart. There are many young people who fall into the trap of Muslims, fooled by these very fallacies that Lewis is mentioning.

"It goes back into nature"
Our body goes back to earth, but our memory and our consciousness is not on our body.

"Especially when this is from a friend who was attending her local and who knew the night before she would be going with friend she invited. "

This woman was my landlord. I did not share with her my plans. Also I did not know I was going to a church. I met this girl in the street who invited me to her church. She was doing missionary work and I was a young curious person wanting to socialize and learn Italian. What is the probability that my landlord dream such a bizarre thought before I have them? Now if she had dreamed that I will go to church, you could say coincidence. It is not unusual for people to go to church. But dreaming a very silly thought of mine? That is not usual. You can't explain that with coincidence.

" Also if these things were not coincidence we would expect them to happen on a daily basis to everyone ."
You really need to get some knowledge about quantum physics. Obviously your understanding of the world is still based on Newtonian, i.e. the world we are all familiar with. The reality is far more complex than that. I will write on this in a few days.

Michio Kaku is not rejecting telepathy. He says we don't need to explain it through entanglement and I did not bring up entanglement to explain it. Kaku actually say telepathy can be explained with radio enhanced telepathy.

I'm 110% sure that this is another Muslim wanting to advertise Quranic miracles and their "power". Muslims love doing Taqiyzza and trolling and then laughing behind the screen.
Search for the right things such as "errors in Quran" or "Pedophile prophet". All that will prove Islam is a lie.
Instead he's searching for links which will be from Muslims: — "I also get very curious constantly an type in to Google keywords like “Qur’an miracle” or “proof Qur’an is from God.”

"If it is indestructible where does it go?" It goes back into nature, or as the bible says "For dust thou art; and unto dust shalt thou return".

"Coincidence!? Not so." Very likely, since we have millions of thoughts a day, the probability that at least one of those thoughts is the same (or similar) to yours is quite high. Especially when this is from a friend who was attending her local and who knew the night before she would be going with friend she invited. Also if these things were not coincidence we would expect them to happen on a daily basis to everyone and not once in a lifetime to a very small minority of individuals.

"Quantum physics is beginning to find the answer to these questions." Here the physicist Michio Kaku explains the difficulty that people face in trying to use quantum physics to explain telepathy.&nbsp ;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8GvPRvikM