Lying Mormons

The two Mormons I have been talking about that I met with and with whom I am friends on Facebook, lied to me, about me, and are rather deceitful. Here is a break down of what happened.

I replied to both of them in one letter and posted this on both of their Facebook timelines.

Hello Austin Condie and Kael Bowman.
Let me start first by saying that everything I am about to write to you guys will be posted on my website as an “article.” It will also be posted on my Facebook page “Fighting for Truth,” and I will read it in its entirety on my radio show for all the world to hear. With this in mind, if you guys want to respond, you are more than welcome to do so.

What is this all about? I feel you two as Mormons are very dishonest and have lied and use deceit. I will explain why in detail and give quotes. When the two of you came to my house and we sat down and had a long talk, I told you guys that I feel your church is a bit on the uncaring, unloving side and only want people who will not think for themselves and just blindly believe everything you tell them. You guys said that is not true. I also said that after you guys leave, I will never see you again and your “higher ups” will not let you speak with me and they will not speak with me either.

Austin wrote me and sent me a friend request via Facebook and said, and I quote, “Hey Rick! We are able to use Facebook to help answer questions and help teach. We’d love to help you in any way we can.” AND “Hey, we both talked to our mission president and he did not give direction to stop talking to you. I know you have examined everything but that does not scare me. I’m more than willing to go the miles and listen to you as well as learn how to help teach you better.”

These are exact quotes as I saved all replies I receive from you guys. It’s nice of you to say to me that you’re willing to listen and help. Here is the problem. The very first reply I received from Austin was Oct 5th, and as of this reply being written now, it is Oct 26th. In the days between the 5th and the 26th, I have posted 13 articles on Austin’s timeline, Here is a break down to be more accurate. One was a link to my website/radio show; one was an article about the anchors mentioned in the Bible (Acts 27) that were tossed off the boat on which the apostle Paul was sailing. It was just pointing out as evidence that they were recovered, and now all the world can view them; zero mention of Mormonism mentioned. Another one was a video of a speaker talking about end times prophecy and the soon rapture of the Church. Again, zero mention of Mormonism.

One was not exactly an article; it was Austin asking me to watch a video by Mormon Tad R. Callister called, “Gods compelling witness of the Book of Mormon.” I pretty much broke down everything Tad said and replied to it. One Article I posted was what I shared with you guys when you came to the house. It was what I called, the “Bruce McConkie Challenge.” When you guys came over, I only shared part of it with you; this was the entire thing. Another thing I posted were some Bible verses and my thoughts on what they say and asking his thoughts on what he thinks they say.

One thing I posted was taken from the newspaper and it was a church historian looking into the issue of racism in the LDS church; nothing I wrote. The final remaining few things I posted were quotes and information taken from your LDS scripture, prophets, and presidents. Then, I posted one last thing explaining why I feel you guys are liars and deceitful. Basically what happened was I was looking over Austin’s timeline and I noticed it says he has 481 friends, and I am assuming the vast majority are LDS. I started thinking, it is really strange that not one person has left a comment or liked anything I said or posted. I was looking over things posted by Austin and noticed there were lots of likes and hearts and other things, indicating people look over his timeline and read things he posts and comments. So, I asked my son and my daughter to get on Facebook and go to Austin’s timeline and leave a reply or hit like on things I said, in hopes of maybe getting others to do the same. That was when they told me that nothing I posted was on his timeline and it said I was his one and only friend. So, I got on my wife’s Facebook account and it said the same exact thing. That was when I knew his account is set up so it looks active and like lots of people can see what I post, but in reality, only Austin can. That is very deceitful.

When you guys sent me friends requests, neither of you said that I cannot post anything, or I am limited in what I can post, so that shows you guys are deceitful. I was honest and listened to what Austin asked me to listen to from Tad R. Even if Austin felt I posted so much he could not respond to it all, he could have at least replied to one thing; as he said on Oct 14th and I quote, “Hey Rick, I just wanted to let you know I am not ignoring you. I am continuing to research everything you have given to me.” I have to say, I find this hard to believe due to what I have discovered and the fact that there are zero replies as of yet.

Now moving on to you Kael. After all this came out with Austin, I posted only two things on your timeline. One was a link to my website, and one was the “Bruce McConkie Challenge.” Not even a day had gone by and you removed both, and you never wrote me and told me you did that or gave any reason why. That it why it seems very dishonest of you to do that. I replied I felt that was deceitful to do, and this was your entire reply to me and I quote:

“Hey Rick how’s it going? I’m sorry you feel the way you do but I just wanted to let you know some things. The reason we delete your post from our facebooks is because we have people we teach on here and we don’t want them to see your accusations. We really do appreciate all that’s you’ve told us and the reason we don’t come back over because we know WE can’t change your mind, only the spirit can change your mind and heart. And you are so locked down that you won’t let it change you. We really emphasize the Book of Mormon because it is true, and you have to come to know of it for yourself. Please don’t think we are avoiding you because we are “afraid of the truth,” we just don’t want to cause contentions and all you want to do is try to tear down our testimonies. I will tell you over and over again that this church is true and nothing will change my heart or mind.”

So, Kael, I gotta ask. Did you really think about what you said before you wrote me? Here is why I say that. You said : “I’m sorry you feel the way you do but I just wanted to let you know some things. The reason we delete your post from our Facebook is because we have people we teach on here and we don’t want them to see your accusations.”

What accusations did I make that you needed to remove? I only posted my website and the Bruce Challenge. If you honestly did listen to any shows I did, and there is something in a show that is an accusation by me, please tell me what exactly it was. Otherwise, I am left to believe without evidence that you are lying. As far as the Bruce Challenge, there is not one single accusation in it; it is taken word for word from your apostle. I simply ask, “Where is the evidence for things he said?” It seems you’re bearing false witness.

You said, “We really do appreciate all that’s you’ve told us and the reason we don’t come back over because we know WE can’t change your mind, only the spirit can change your mind and heart. And you are so locked down that you won’t let it change you.” Again, you’re making accusations. Since I told you I am open to the truth and want to talk about these things, you claim I am not. So, you’re, in a polite way, calling me a lair with no evidence. This also means you ignore everything your leaders have said and taught. Your scriptures teach (maybe you are simply ignorant of what was said and taught), things like this: D and C 71:5-11 98:14,23-26 says meet your enemy in public. If I am your enemy, which I don’t feel I am, but if I am, it says meet me in public to talk about this stuff. Jesus said to love your enemy. D and C 66:7 68:1,9 says go into the churches, public, or private to discuss this stuff. D and C 6:9-11 say, “Convince us of our error, if we have any.” Why do I get accused of being hateful for doing what the scriptures teach? Let me add this: would you agree it is good to listen to the Mormon prophets? If so, then I am.

I quote Orsan Pratt, still pg 15.

“We ask from you the same generosity–protect us in the exercise of our religious rights–CONVINCE US of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds”.

Kael, you also said, “We really emphasize the Book of Mormon because it is true”, and you have to come to know of it for yourself. If you really believe this, then 1) you would not need to lie and use deceit, and 2) you would be easily able to read the “Bruce McConkie Challenge” and give me the answers I am looking for listed in it, and 3) Doct of Salvation, vol 2, pg 1 of chapter 1 heading says:

SALVATION.
below that it says THE PLAN OF SALVATION.

“TRUTHS of SALVATION EASILY UNDERSTOOD.
Salvation should be a subject uppermost in the minds of all men. It is, without question the most important subject that could possibly be considered, and yet there are so few among the many who pay any attention whatever to this great and important theme, as it may be applied in their lives.”

On pg 9 of Doc of Salvation, vol 2, J.F.S states what I said.

“What is eternal life? It is to have a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. No one receives eternal life except those who receive the exaltation. Eternal life is the greatest gift of God; immortality is not. The Lord says: “Verily verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. everlasting life in this passage is the same as eternal life”.

Lastly you said: “Please don’t think we are avoiding you because we are “afraid of the truth,” we just don’t want to cause contentions and all you want to do is try to tear down our testimonies. I will tell you over and over again that this church is true and nothing will change my heart or mind.”

Again, here is what your prophets and leaders taught.

Mormon President George A. Smith said on page 216 in volume 14 of the J.O.D.
“If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if it’s preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak.”

Seems to me, your faith is very weak since you guys fight tooth and nail to not have what you believe examined. You feel I am being contentious, so I guess you never read the Book of Jude. It says:

Jude 1:3 “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”

Notice it says we are to contend for the faith? Do you know what it means to contend for the faith? Do you know why it says we are to contend for the faith? The next verse answers that question. Jude 1:4 ” For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Also, don’t you find it rather ironic that you said to me, “And you are so locked down that you won’t let it change you”. But, then, you end by saying to me, “I will tell you over and over again that this church is true and nothing will change my heart or mind.” You’re basically telling me, you’re doing and acting the way you accuse me of being. Lastly, you feel I am trying to tear down your testimonies. I never mentioned your testimonies. I was saying: let’s examine all the evidence.

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