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My kid's 14 months. Yeah, there's totally a balance to be had between protection and freedom. We used a harness and leash at least one time I can remember, and thankfully it's absolutely nothing like commanding a dog. You're not tugging on him to train him to walk by your side, you know?

I'm certainly not saying that's a requirement or that the perspective that it's wrong is wrong.. or something. But that's my experience so far.

I'm convinced that a great deal of society's ills and people's general stupidity could be eradicated if we made critical thinking and logic a basic education requirement beginning in grammar school. This isn't indoctrination, it's teaching them to think.

I'm convinced that a great deal of society's ills and people's general stupidity could be eradicated if we made critical thinking and logic a basic education requirement beginning in grammar school. This isn't indoctrination, it's teaching them to think.

I'm convinced that a great deal of society's ills and people's general stupidity could be eradicated if we made critical thinking and logic a basic education requirement beginning in grammar school. This isn't indoctrination, it's teaching them to think.

In an ideal world, I would agree with you. Unfortunately human minds are not all made equal. True critically independent logical thought exists on a spectrum with nobody having a monopoly over anyone else regardless of their formal education, even in matters such as these. However, there will always be those who excel at it to a fantastically and quite obvious degree regardless of level of education. We are reams above where we were 100 years ago when it comes to this issue but there will always be those thinking of the masses as generally stupid and ignorant in comparison to themselves, as well as new forms and formats of logic being developed arguably being necessary to bring everyone up to the same standard in the world of the future. Also, it is likely such a system would serve to further the illusion of equality/quality of thought based on credentials rather than on merit, much like the universities of today.

In an ideal world, I would agree with you. Unfortunately human minds are not all made equal. True critically independent logical thought exists on a spectrum with nobody having a monopoly over anyone else regardless of their formal education, even in matters such as these. However, there will always be those who excel at it to a fantastically and quite obvious degree regardless of level of education. We are reams above where we were 100 years ago when it comes to this issue but there will always be those thinking of the masses as generally stupid and ignorant in comparison to themselves, as well as new forms and formats of logic being developed arguably being necessary to bring everyone up to the same standard in the world of the future. Also, it is likely such a system would serve to further the illusion of equality of thought based on credentials rather than on merit, much like the universities of today.

I know I sound like I must think I'm smarter than everyone else. I don't think that and would guess myself at average intelligence, but the important thing is to continually question and sniff for logical and intellectual bullshit being masqueraded as something more and to question all "truths". Our world culture doesn't care about making their kids question everything.

Fit in, get dat job, get dat money, find a mate, have more dumb kids, repeat.

I know I sound like I must think I'm smarter than everyone else. I don't think that and would guess myself at average intelligence, but the important thing is to continually question and sniff for logical and intellectual bullshit being masqueraded as something more and to question all "truths". Our world culture doesn't care about making their kids question everything.

Fit in, get dat job, get dat money, find a mate, have more dumb kids, repeat.

I don't think you sound like you must think you're smarter than everyone else; at least, I understand where you're coming from, and I definitely don't think it's a place of arrogance, more frustration/exasperation.

I think a good thought to ponder might be "All things are subject to interpretation; whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." A Nietsche quote. Not sure if you're a fan of his or not. However, the thing that needs to be realized, is that logic (rather especially, human awareness of it) does not rule the world. This is probably less obvious to you since your mode of thinking is so far removed from socionics "beta" quadrant values. Regardless of the level of logic a person is capable of applying, there is still the (not usually complete conscious) emotional decision (and sometimes, many barriers) intact allowing them the choice of whether or not to operate that logic. It is also an emotional decision whether or not to make the realization that perhaps a necessary level of logic has not been applied to their thinking before making an argument or attempting to pass themselves off as an expert/moral authority on a particular subject. Sometimes, the emotional truths are too painful to even consider embarking upon certain tunnels of thought, and no human is a stranger to this. To make the demand that all people make the same emotional sacrifice upon all topics before feeling worthy of having or sharing their opinion, is far too much to ask...

I'm convinced that a great deal of society's ills and people's general stupidity could be eradicated if we made critical thinking and logic a basic education requirement beginning in grammar school. This isn't indoctrination, it's teaching them to think.

My 5 year old asks the "Why?" questions a lot. Me, being me, I have an answer for everything. I don't want her to stop questioning things but I know in school there is this emphasis that 'things are the way the are because we said so' kind of thing and I'm working on her being someone who can think differently.

I know I sound like I must think I'm smarter than everyone else. I don't think that and would guess myself at average intelligence, but the important thing is to continually question and sniff for logical and intellectual bullshit being masqueraded as something more and to question all "truths". Our world culture doesn't care about making their kids question everything.

Fit in, get dat job, get dat money, find a mate, have more dumb kids, repeat.

You forgot dab...that's the craze now days. If you don't follow the crowd you must be lost. Statistically the biggest crowd is right.

Take what I say with a grain of salt, because that's all it is compared to the ocean of complexity when it comes to actions and real life.

I've never played Ocarina of Time. I guess I could. I find myself unenthusiastic about playing a game with those typical, early N64 graphics and camera work. They are so awful. I hated Mario 64. I was so unimpressed with the first generation of 3D consoles.

Go to sleep, iguana.

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