A legalities standpoint is the only point when we are talking about law. If they thought about going to the police they should have kept on the right
side of the law and not make their own, "reality TV" included.

Sure but if the parents were acting oblivious to the situation, they'd need the cops to search his phone for texts to confirm his intent.

In the UK the 'daughters' phone record is good enough for prosecution. The paedo hunters here do it regularly, post a fake profile on social media and
wait for the paedos to flood in requesting sex. They screenshot the messages, agree to meet up after being asked then detain them as regular citizens
can.

I'm amazed that people do this. If I ever became a vigilantee I know who I would go after, sounds like it would be pretty easy to find targets. Hunt
the hunters.

Sure but if the parents were acting oblivious to the situation, they'd need the cops to search his phone for texts to confirm his intent.

In the UK the 'daughters' phone record is good enough for prosecution. The paedo hunters here do it regularly, post a fake profile on social media and
wait for the paedos to flood in requesting sex. They screenshot the messages, agree to meet up after being asked then detain them as regular citizens
can.

I'm amazed that people do this. If I ever became a vigilantee I know who I would go after, sounds like it would be pretty easy to find targets. Hunt
the hunters.

Desperate for a solution, she said she posed as her daughter and messaged the man to invite him to her home.

...

She said she confronted the man as he made his way to her daughter's room, punching him before the girl's stepfather and another man restrained
him.

So she did not invite the man as the mother, then she confronted him as he went to her daughter's room. Not as he came to the door, as he went to the
room. Nowhere does it say they just opened the door and let him into the house, or they would have confronted him at the door or outside.

As a parent with two daughters, I can appreciate their state of mind and agree with it. But Canada aside, I don't think their argument would fly
anywhere.

Once they had knowledge that the guy was coming, and what for, then all of their actions become premeditated. And that's where they're going to
sink.

You can't know someone is coming to your home, not resist their entrance, and then assault them based on trespass and claim self defense

This reminds me of a case that I believe happened in a state I used to live in (or maybe where I live now) - guys get into an argument online. One
guy tells the other guy to come over so he can get shot. "Just walk on in, I'll be waiting". Guy took him up on his offer. Got shot. Self defense
was not a viable defense, and the shooter was convicted. Because he knew beforehand.

Also as a parent, though, I find it pretty abhorrent that they used their 13 year old as predator bait. I like to think I would have gone to him
instead.

Read about this a couple of days ago. They ought to get a medal!! As for the police, they now have all the evidence they need that this dude is a
scumbag. Yet they are complaining? If they had planned the exact same sting, all would be well, but because they couldn't bother, the parents face
charges?

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

If the police had set up the sting, and lured him to their house, and had to wrestle him into submission, would anyone say they were in the wrong?
Whatever happened to a citizen arrest?

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

You do know.. that undercover police/ agents also do that right? Some pretend to be prostitutes online and organize a meeting with the solicitor and
when the guy shows up he is arrested on the spot.

If the police aren't doing their jobs then people have the right to take matters into their own hands.

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

You do know.. that undercover police/ agents also do that right? Some pretend to be prostitutes online and organize a meeting with the solicitor and
when the guy shows up he is arrested on the spot.

If the police aren't doing their jobs then people have the right to take matters into their own hands.

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

If the police had set up the sting, and lured him to their house, and had to wrestle him into submission, would anyone say they were in the wrong?
Whatever happened to a citizen arrest?

People should not take the law into there own hands. One they lack the training and these parents put there daughter into danger. What would happen if
he brought a friend and they both were armed? The parents playing vigilante put themselves and yes there daughter in danger. He could have shot both
them and killed her. But worse case now they made it easy for the pedophile to get his case thrown out. Now when he gets his case dropped then rapes a
child it's on them.

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

You do know.. that undercover police/ agents also do that right? Some pretend to be prostitutes online and organize a meeting with the solicitor and
when the guy shows up he is arrested on the spot.

If the police aren't doing their jobs then people have the right to take matters into their own hands.

If the police had set up the sting, and lured him to their house, and had to wrestle him into submission, would anyone say they were in the wrong?
Whatever happened to a citizen arrest?

Exactly

Yes, because if the cops can do it legally, then so can a citizen. He didn't come over for milk and cookies; he came to assault a child.

I guess Canadian parents can learn from this, though. No calls needed, no video.

I'm sure his lawyer will have a good excuse and thanks to them he won't go to jail. Police have to set up a case and are very careful not to entrap
them and have rules that they have to follow. All they did was get any case the police had destroyed.

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

If the police had set up the sting, and lured him to their house, and had to wrestle him into submission, would anyone say they were in the wrong?
Whatever happened to a citizen arrest?

People should not take the law into there own hands. One they lack the training and these parents put there daughter into danger. What would happen if
he brought a friend and they both were armed? The parents playing vigilante put themselves and yes there daughter in danger. He could have shot both
them and killed her. But worse case now they made it easy for the pedophile to get his case thrown out. Now when he gets his case dropped then rapes a
child it's on them.

This guy could as easily have lured the girl elsewhere, and her fate would have been sealed. I have zero issues with hunting, trapping, and dealing
with a predator, especially one that threatens a child. The police refused to help, knowing the guy was on his way. What if they'd intercepted the
message, and a meet arranged by the child? As it is, they at least has some measure of control, and the creep likely assumed the girl would be alone.
That said, they should have been armed, but it's Canada.

No, if and when he rapes a child that is on HIM, and on the police who released him. No blame lies on parents who did all they could to protect their
child.

That's strange, since their website says you have be at least 19 at the time you start with them and have a high school diploma or equivalent.

@ - OP: gotta agree with Infolurker. Yea, a guy has a right to defend his family in his own home....but that right gets a little fuzzy when you invite
somebody over with the intent of putting hands on them.

You do know.. that undercover police/ agents also do that right? Some pretend to be prostitutes online and organize a meeting with the solicitor and
when the guy shows up he is arrested on the spot.

If the police aren't doing their jobs then people have the right to take matters into their own hands.

If the police had set up the sting, and lured him to their house, and had to wrestle him into submission, would anyone say they were in the wrong?
Whatever happened to a citizen arrest?

Exactly

Yes, because if the cops can do it legally, then so can a citizen. He didn't come over for milk and cookies; he came to assault a child.

I guess Canadian parents can learn from this, though. No calls needed, no video.

I'm sure his lawyer will have a good excuse and thanks to them he won't go to jail. Police have to set up a case and are very careful not to entrap
them and have rules that they have to follow. All they did was get any case the police had destroyed.

People who are not cops set up such meets all the time, and so do police, and it's all legal. Canada seems to have a real problem with self defense.
I recall another case, some years back, where a fellow shot at people who were throwing molotov cocktails at his house, and HE was arrested, and they
were not.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
So she did not invite the man as the mother, then she confronted him as he went to her daughter's room. Not as he came to the door, as he went to the
room. Nowhere does it say they just opened the door and let him into the house, or they would have confronted him at the door or outside.

That's what I said, there's some crucial information missing. Did they leave the door open? Did someone opened the door to let him in? Did someone
told him where the girl's room was? Without knowing the answers to these questions we cannot know how things really happened, we can only create our
own versions of the events, and reaching conclusions not based on facts is the best way of being wrong.

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