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Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Akutsu. Ryoma won that match ONLY because he was the main character, Akutsu played better.
Akutsu it's absolutely great

Um no he didn't

You can't go writing off all of the main characters victories has plot devices, Ryoma only had one match where the plot really saved his ass and that was the final.

Akutsu does not play too smart he plays on instinct, that's good but tennis is a tactical game (see Murray, Andy) and Ryoma was more tactical because he practiced, he had the ability to win but not the tactics and this is why Ryoma won.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

You can't go writing off all of the main characters victories has plot devices, Ryoma only had one match where the plot really saved his ass and that was the final.

Akutsu does not play too smart he plays on instinct, that's good but tennis is a tactical game (see Murray, Andy) and Ryoma was more tactical because he practiced, he had the ability to win but not the tactics and this is why Ryoma won.

Maybe when Echizen loses an official and real tennis means something in PoT, you will be right. Echizen wins, that's that. There is nothing else to it.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Let's be fair, Ryoma does have some plot hax in every single match.
But let's be more fair, every single match in the manga has plot hax. Why did Sanada beat Tezuka? Because Konomi wanted to make rikkai look threatening.

So saying that X match doesn't count because of plot hax is like saying that the entire series doesn't count. The entire series is an infinite loop of plot haxes.

So therefore, we should always ignore plot haxes when judging a character's skill.

Because if we really stop to analyze the haxes, then we'll come to the conclusion that Horio could beat Yukimura if it was all up to him and Seigaku was losing 2-0.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Just to directly answer the topic of this thread, as far as we know, Kirihara would destroy Akutsu. Who knows? Akutsu might have gotten serious about tennis and gotten twice as good. But minus speculation and looking at cannon, Kirihara would win.

But on another note, there's no proof that Akutsu is better/faster than Kenya. Show me evidence if you want to make that argument. It seems to me that, honestly, most of the things you say are just speculation.

On the Zaizen argument, I believe he's ok, but overrated at the same time. He is considered a genius, but he was embarrassed because he wasn't even close to returning Tezuka's ball. You say that you can't judge his skill based on one swing, but you also can't judge his skill on just his title. Oshitari is called a genius. Do you think that he can stand on par with Tezuka and Chitose? Honestly, I doubt it. So far the only one that I've seen able to hold the title "genius" is Fuji. I may be biased, but I think that everyone can agree he can back that title up.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes

Let's be fair, Ryoma does have some plot hax in every single match.
But let's be more fair, every single match in the manga has plot hax. Why did Sanada beat Tezuka? Because Konomi wanted to make rikkai look threatening.

So saying that X match doesn't count because of plot hax is like saying that the entire series doesn't count. The entire series is an infinite loop of plot haxes.

So therefore, we should always ignore plot haxes when judging a character's skill.

Because if we really stop to analyze the haxes, then we'll come to the conclusion that Horio could beat Yukimura if it was all up to him and Seigaku was losing 2-0.

It isn't even about the plot. It is about Echizen not being allowed to lose. Konomi wont let him. So how can you even compare the skill of anybody who played against Echizen, who beat everyone in the series? For once I will use a RL situation.

Does that mean you can judge a match between Roddick and Djokovic by looking at how they played against Federer? No. You can only look at the playstyle of both players. NOT what happened in the match.

You can't say "Well Federer got Roddick on this drop volley, so that means Djokovic and Nadal will beat him." You can't judge like that. You must only look at how the two playstyles will fair against one another.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

In fact, Nadal defeats them all XD
Well, I don't think we should be angry because Ryoma will always win, this is a shonen. Akutsu was other victim of that fact.
But the fact is that we have only seen 1 match of Akutsu,against Ryoma. Kirihara also played his first match VS Ryoma, but we have seen their matches against Fuji, Krauser and Kaido-Inui too. So I think we don´t have enough arguments to study the evolve of Akutsu

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Originally Posted by javimgol

But the fact is that we have only seen 1 match of Akutsu,against Ryoma. Kirihara also played his first match VS Ryoma, but we have seen their matches against Fuji, Krauser and Kaido-Inui too. So I think we don´t have enough arguments to study the evolve of Akutsu

I know, and that is my point. This is just taking the two play-styles and comparing them.

Re: Akutsu vs Kirihara

Originally Posted by Fayte

I know, and that is my point. This is just taking the two play-styles and comparing them.

Well, if you are talking about unfair play, you shouldn´t forget about Higa.
In the court I think Kirihara it's more agressive and mad; Akutsu, in the match, was shown as an excellent player, not extremely agressive. He could reach all the balls, was powerful, with good abilities...but he didn´t want to crucify Ryoma like Kirihara did with Krauser
But outside the court, obviously Akutsu it's more dangerous