Look stat geeks, you can stop kiss Trout's ass. No amount of math formulas and "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP" will ever beat the facts that Cabrera is on an all-time historic tear and Trout's Angels are 10 games under .500. As the old adage goes, the Angels could be 10 games under .500 with or without Trout.

WTF Indeed:Look stat geeks, you can stop kiss Trout's ass. No amount of math formulas and "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP" will ever beat the facts that Cabrera is on an all-time historic tear and Trout's Angels are 10 games under .500. As the old adage goes, the Angels could be 10 games under .500 with or without Trout.

Si Miggy is a better player because he is on a better team? Good to know

tdunning:WTF Indeed: Look stat geeks, you can stop kiss Trout's ass. No amount of math formulas and "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP" will ever beat the facts that Cabrera is on an all-time historic tear and Trout's Angels are 10 games under .500. As the old adage goes, the Angels could be 10 games under .500 with or without Trout.

Si Miggy is a better player because he is on a better team? Good to know

fark_me_running:tdunning: WTF Indeed: Look stat geeks, you can stop kiss Trout's ass. No amount of math formulas and "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP" will ever beat the facts that Cabrera is on an all-time historic tear and Trout's Angels are 10 games under .500. As the old adage goes, the Angels could be 10 games under .500 with or without Trout.

Si Miggy is a better player because he is on a better team? Good to know

notice how it's called "Most Valuable Player", not "Best Player"?

Ok so players on good teams can't win because their teams would still be good anyway and players from bad teams can't win because they're bad anyway. MVP awards should be reserved for players on average teams who would be slightly below average in their absence.

Rex_Banner:And Cabrera is probably going to win in a landslide anyway, so.......

I had just assumed Chris Davis was the frontrunner for this year's AL MVP.

MVP:AL: Chris DavisNL: Paul Goldschmidt

Cy YoungAL: Max ScherzerNL: Clayton Kershaw

My only concern is both Davis and Goldschmidt are on teams that right now would not make the playoffs, and so if making the playoffs is a factor for those who decide, those awards could go to McCutchen and Cabrera instead.

SlothB77:Rex_Banner: And Cabrera is probably going to win in a landslide anyway, so.......

I had just assumed Chris Davis was the frontrunner for this year's AL MVP.

MVP:AL: Chris DavisNL: Paul Goldschmidt

Cy YoungAL: Max ScherzerNL: Clayton Kershaw

My only concern is both Davis and Goldschmidt are on teams that right now would not make the playoffs, and so if making the playoffs is a factor for those who decide, those awards could go to McCutchen and Cabrera instead.

tdunning:WTF Indeed: Look stat geeks, you can stop kiss Trout's ass. No amount of math formulas and "Should salary be taken into account when voting of the MVP" will ever beat the facts that Cabrera is on an all-time historic tear and Trout's Angels are 10 games under .500. As the old adage goes, the Angels could be 10 games under .500 with or without Trout.

Si Miggy is a better player because he is on a better team? Good to know

No, the Tigers are better team because of his offense, and his offense is a very big part of their success. That is what the MVP is, the person most valuable to a teams success. Without Miggy they are probably tied with Cleveland and KC for the division lead instead of 6 games up. With out Trout the Angels are still out of contention. Carlos Gomez's numbers are almost comparable to Trout's, and I will say if Gomez was on a team that had more hitting his numbers would mirror Trout's. Nobody's numbers have been near Miggy's and nobody's number would rise to his numbers from an improvement in the batting on his team.

DeWayne Mann:Makes as much sense as "Miggy is the MVP because his team was in a weaker division."

First of all, that's the worst argument for someone in the history of arguments. Second, the "cost-effective" argument is at least supportable, however its goal here is not to say salary should be taken into account, but rather "we need to find away for our formulas to take the lead forever". You're adding another number to your argument instead of just relying solely on WAR.

DeWayne Mann:SlothB77: Rex_Banner: And Cabrera is probably going to win in a landslide anyway, so.......

I had just assumed Chris Davis was the frontrunner for this year's AL MVP.

MVP:AL: Chris DavisNL: Paul Goldschmidt

Cy YoungAL: Max ScherzerNL: Clayton Kershaw

My only concern is both Davis and Goldschmidt are on teams that right now would not make the playoffs, and so if making the playoffs is a factor for those who decide, those awards could go to McCutchen and Cabrera instead.

SlothB77:Goldschmidt are on teams that right now would not make the playoff

i was saying recently how it it is astounding how after the Puig vs Kennedy* beanball incident, the Snakes completely collapsed and that's about when Los Doyers began their, what, 39-8 tear. Kennedy isn't even a Snake. Traded him in-division, at that.

Wondering what happens to Gibby if the Snakes don't make the playoffs. Last year we finished 3rd, barely at .500. a 5.5 game lead circa the ASG has now become a 7.5 deficit with about 40 games left. yeah, NL West title in 2011, but nothing came of it (first round loss). No playoffs in 2012. Probably no playoffs, and a pretty incredible collapse in the second half in 2013. I wonder how safe Gibby is if the Snakes complete the gag job.

DeWayne Mann:his salary is roughly as legitimate as anything used in Miggy's case.

using salary in a non-salary cap league is ridiculous. might as well factor in draft round he was taken in. "welp, he had 51HRs but he was taken in the 12th round, but the first round pick has only 49HRs, so......"

also, everyone was giving Trout grief last year for slumping during the end of the season. (whether he actually was or not is another debate, he was getting grief for it).

Trout opened this season hitting .261 in April. He's been turning it on late season. He hit .379 in July and .361 so far post all-star game.

Cabrera, has hit .378 or better every month except july when he hit .288. He is still extremely effective hitting the ball when he plays, but the usually resilient third baseman is starting to break down this season with his hip/ abdomen injury.

thecpt:Yeah, I knew it was the arb year but I'm pretty sure AA has repeatedly told Colby he is the best thing evar. I have no clue what that fetches on the arb market.

Arb is basically "This player had a .275 average, 20 HR, 80 RBI this season. That's pretty similar to [insert crappy player] who got 8 mil in his final arb year." And then the player's rep says "Yes, but he had 40 SB and 100 R which is like [better player] who got 10 mil in his final arb year." And then the arbitrators decide on 8 or 10 mil with nothing else allowed.

It's very silly.

You're the jerk... jerk:Or we could just guess because of the nature of dWAR the leaders will be the two best defensive short stops in the game.

There actually aren't really any good defensive SSs in the AL. Iglesias will be, but he hasn't played it much. Hardy's pretty good. Alceides Escobar, maybe. But that's about it.

So it ends up being Machado, then Cain, Pedroia, Victorino (which is a shock) and Salvy Perez.

SlothB77:Rex_Banner: And Cabrera is probably going to win in a landslide anyway, so.......

I had just assumed Chris Davis was the frontrunner for this year's AL MVP.

MVP:AL: Chris DavisNL: Paul Goldschmidt

Cy YoungAL: Max ScherzerNL: Clayton Kershaw

My only concern is both Davis and Goldschmidt are on teams that right now would not make the playoffs, and so if making the playoffs is a factor for those who decide, those awards could go to McCutchen and Cabrera instead.

I don't see any way that Davis beats Cabrera. And honestly, he shouldn't. Cabrera has been better

thecpt:Anyways, I suspect miggy's duct taped hip isn't going to last another month. Should make these threads interesting soon.

Davis has been missing time as well, i think a hamstring issue. So it is possible, if Miggy can get healthier than Davis, for him to catch up. But both have been missing time. I am surprised his injuries have not effected his productivity yet.