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Geoffrey Boycott :-The biggest bonus of all was Moeen Ali taking six wickets in the second innings. Here is a kid the selectors have pinned their faith on even though they were not sure he was good enough. Thankfully for them he has turned out to be the real deal.

England can only go forward if they have a matchwinning spinner. We have got plenty of seamers but we need a spinner who can win the match when the ball turns late on in the game.

It does not matter if one or two of his wickets were lucky because it is better to be lucky than good. If you are lucky and good, then the sky is the limit.

He has a good action, an excellent straight on ball and he can spin it. He has all the attributes but what he has to do now is add better control to his game. He still bowls a number of easy, hittable four-balls. But the more he bowls the more he will improve. The other aspect I liked from this match was that captain and bowler were in sync with one another. The captain must have confidence in his bowlers. To me Cook never had that confidence in Monty Panesar. But he seems to have found confidence in Moeen and is quick to throw the ball to him very early on in the second innings. That will transmit itself to Moeen.

I think people are taking his performance for-granted believing anyone can perform like that on a 5th day's pitch which isn't true. England might high struggled to finish off India's innings if they didn't have Moin.

Ridiculous how Moeen continues to be criticized by some posters. This lad nearly saved his team from a hopeless situation with a hundred against Sri Lanka and has now taken a six-fer against an immensely talented Indian batting line up. This too in his first five tests. Hafeez comparisons are laughable at this point.

Mohammed Hafeez is a much better bowler than Moeen Ali
118 wickets in odis at an average of 35 is nothing to be laughed at

Mohammad Hafeez is not even close to specialist spinners in limited format as well. That guy is averaging 35, not 25 in bowling performance. That's not compliment. He has never been good batsman, but with 35 average of bowling performance suits to part-time spinner rather than specialist spinners.

I think people are taking his performance for-granted believing anyone can perform like that on a 5th day's pitch which isn't true. England might high struggled to finish off India's innings if they didn't have Moin.

No bud.

Its because some are judging Ali as a proper spinner and seeing if he is gonna make it.

Does he have flight, dip or turn (like a proper spinner)? Or does he have accuracy and ability to bowl fast spinners like Monty and Jaddu (who themselves aren't effective wicket takers on a few pitches)?

These are the things that give us an indication of how its going to be.

Arguably the best LOI all-rounder around but people are talking 'bout tests.

Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan

No bud.

Its because some are judging Ali as a proper spinner and seeing if he is gonna make it.

Does he have flight, dip or turn (like a proper spinner)? Or does he have accuracy and ability to bowl fast spinners like Monty and Jaddu (who themselves aren't effective wicket takers on a few pitches)?

These are the things that give us an indication of how its going to be.

Ali did well and deserves the success.

But long term success is based on certain skills.

From what I've seen, he has all that but has a tendency to go off the radar once in a while which is why he's been expensive in previous innings. He'll learn to keep it tight as time goes on though. His speed is also up by a few miles since his debut test.

Originally Posted by MalikMohsin

Mohammad Hafeez is not even close to specialist spinners in limited format as well. That guy is averaging 35, not 25 in bowling performance. That's not compliment. He has never been good batsman, but with 35 average of bowling performance suits to part-time spinner rather than specialist spinners.

Economy of almost under 4 is amazing in this era. Definitely not a part-timer. South Africa, Australia, England and New Zealand would all pick him as a specialist spinner if they could.

Ma sha allah i am very happy for him. a good player with good temperament. kudos to AJMAL bhai for helping him out with his bowling. i hope we get to see another great batsmen like AMLA in the making. he has the temperament and he just needs to play more and more cricket. he has been doing good lately in the test arena and its first time ENG won because of his bowling which is huge for them. i hope he master's the art and does well in the future.

“Moeen is in the side as a batter and a very rapidly emerging spin bowler,” Moore said. “I think Mo had a bit of a turning point before the Lord’s Test. Testament to some of the feedback that he got - I think Ian Bell was quite important in that - you can get feedback about the pace and lines that are difficult for batsmen to play.
“Belly is a fantastic player of spin so he fed back to one of his team-mates, ‘Well, actually, I find that really difficult or that pace is quite nice for me.’ That’s what good teams should do, while Bell was batting in the nets, and then Mo decides what to do. You improve because you talk and work with people.”

“His run-rate came down and he created some pressure,” he said. “Test cricket is about how rapidly people grow in it and he’s grown very quickly as a bowler. Hopefully, that carries on. He’s a very sensible lad, he knows he’s got to keep doing a lot of work.
“He does two things that are essential for a top-flight spinner - he attacks both edges. He gets great drift and then turns the ball. So he spins the ball hard. Without those two things, it is very difficult.
“If you only attack one edge of the bat, people can work you out quite fast. But because Mo creates drift, that I think is a challenge for all batters. He can nick people off.”
The 27-year-old’s performance was unaffected by the mid-match controversy he sparked by batting in wrist-bands proclaiming ‘Save Gaza’ and ‘Free Palestine’.
Moeen, instructed by the International Cricket Council to remove them, was clearly not put off at becoming the centre of attention for non-cricketing reasons, which did not surprise Moores in the slightest.
“I think he was conscious that it happened straightaway and realised it was a mistake that he had it on,” Moores said. “Moeen is a very level-headed bloke and that is one of his real strengths. He stays calm under pressure. So he took it for what it was and moved on.
“Mo has his own personality. I love people who have their own brain and style. Mo has that. You have only to watch him play and how he goes about his business. When he talks to people here, he knows what he stands for and what he is about. That’s a great thing for him to have and it will stand him in good stead.”

My biggest worry for Moeen is what he'll be expected to do in the future, will he be a "Batting A/R" "Bowling A/R" "Batsman who can bowl a bit?" I mean what will England view him as on a long term basis? And looking at the way they are desperate for another Swan I think Moeen might not be around soon if his bowling starts failing at times.

You got to keep in mind he has serious problems against short bowling (I recount him being bounced out twice this series?) Is also weak around the off stump and is a compulsive driver hence he'll always be a candidate for a nick off. His bowling heroics are covering up his batting weaknesses here and it's important he focuses and especially England remember he is in the team as a batsman who can bowl a bit and not try making him something (a Swan type bowler) as it could cut his batting development short.

There is good potential in Moeen as he looks like he could play both pace and spin (I'd rather hold my judgement on him for now) but it's really important England remember he is a batsman!

My biggest worry for Moeen is what he'll be expected to do in the future, will he be a "Batting A/R" "Bowling A/R" "Batsman who can bowl a bit?" I mean what will England view him as on a long term basis? And looking at the way they are desperate for another Swan I think Moeen might not be around soon if his bowling starts failing at times.

You got to keep in mind he has serious problems against short bowling (I recount him being bounced out twice this series?) Is also weak around the off stump and is a compulsive driver hence he'll always be a candidate for a nick off. His bowling heroics are covering up his batting weaknesses here and it's important he focuses and especially England remember he is in the team as a batsman who can bowl a bit and not try making him something (a Swan type bowler) as it could cut his batting development short.

There is good potential in Moeen as he looks like he could play both pace and spin (I'd rather hold my judgement on him for now) but it's really important England remember he is a batsman!

Can be a genuine all-rounder. Bowling average of around 35, if not lower and batting average of around 40, if not higher.

He's not as good of Ajmal obviously but they are in the same tier. Perhaps you can say that Ajmal stands alone with all formats considered though.

The only haters are English bigots, Indian trolls and Mamoon. Everyone else has only been giving constructive criticism and want to see him do well.

His made a 100 and got 15 wickets in series better then Swann, people still saying he needs to establish himself whilst the likes of
Robson, stokes who has more ducks then my local zoo are already flavour of the year....sad some of this these so called experts.

If anyone saw Umer Amin's innings vs SA in third ODI, you'd know he is a pretty good batsman. Very unlucky to get dismissed. He's not the finished article yet but once he is, he'll be fairly good for PAK.

Can be a genuine all-rounder. Bowling average of around 35, if not lower and batting average of around 40, if not higher.

I'm not saying he won't be. What I'm referring to is the fact that his recent wicket taking exploits are hiding his batting problems and it's more important to focus on that then draw parralels with Swan.

I'm not saying he won't be. What I'm referring to is the fact that his recent wicket taking exploits are hiding his batting problems and it's more important to focus on that then draw parralels with Swan.

For him it is, and I'm sure he'll get his problems against the short ball sorted out.

No, he cannot. He would do well to be able to establish himself as their 4th choice pacer first. His bowling isn't good enough so thats what he should be focusing on instead of trying to become the next Flintoff.

Moeen is a much more genuine all-rounder and the better batsman. Stokes isn't even ebtter than Jordon, Wokes and Liam Plunkett right now.

I don't see anything special. Just the fact that he came into the side as a fast-bowling all-rounder is what makes people hype him up. He's not the next Flintoff or Botham, he may not even be England's next 3rd choice fast bowler.