In pushing this plan, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez appears to be either economically illiterate or intending to unleash mass starvation and suffering across the nation. Does she not realize there is no such thing as wind-powered farm tractors or solar-powered long haul big rig trucks? There are no battery-powered commercial jet airliners, either, and the entire infrastructure for agriculture depends almost entirely on heavy equipment that runs on combustion engines.

The simple, undeniable truth of the matter is that batteries simply don’t come anywhere close to the energy density of fossil fuels. Large agriculture tractors run on diesel fuel because diesel packs an astonishing amount of work energy into a small amount of volume and weight of fuel. Airplanes run on jet fuel for the same reason. Long haul transport trucks run on diesel because the portability of the liquid fuel provides torque and range, allowing trucks to drive many hundreds of miles between fuel stops, even when hauling tens of thousands of pounds of consumable products.

In fact, a 100 horsepower tractor — a common size for a farm tractor — would need to be outfitted with nearly 5000 square feet of solar panels to equal the power of a single 100 h.p. diesel engine. That’s a solar array of roughly 70′ x 70′, mounted to a tractor.

Here’s the math: 1 horsepower = 746 watts, so 100 h.p. is 74,600 watts. Each square foot of solar panels produces roughly 15 watts of power, so you would need 4,973 square feet of solar panels, which comes to an array of about 70′ x 70′.

Such a tractor would be impossible to maneuver and would stop operating when the sun isn’t shining. It would fall over at the slightest incline, and would be blown away by the slightest wind. The 70′ square solar array would make the tractor impossible to transport on a truck, park in a barn or even moved into a repair shop. The very idea is sheer insanity.

It is upon these insane, ludicrous dreamworld concepts that AOC’s Green New Deal is ultimately based. Anyone who’s going to insist that all combustion engines be eliminated in ten years might as well also say that Leprechauns will deliver pots of gold at the end of every rainbow, or that new batteries will run on magic. This is what the Democrats have come to: Sheer insanity disguised as policy.

Shutting down fossil fuels would collapse the U.S. food supply and lead to mass starvation

Natural News has conducted a straightforward analysis of the agricultural use of fossil fuels and how the food production industry would be impacted by ending the use of fossil fuels in the next decade. A detailed infographic, shown below, summarizes these important findings.

What we’ve found should be alarming for anyone paying attention to reality. Here are the main points:

The agricultural industry depends heavily on fossil fuels for farming, harvesting, milling, manufacturing, transport and even for fertilizers. (See statistics in the infographic, below.)

Food imports depend almost entirely on fossil fuel-powered ships, shipping port transport equipment (such as cranes and forklifts), long haul rigs and other heavy equipment that run almost exclusively on fossil fuels.

There are no “green energy” replacements capable of powering most of the heavy equipment used in food production, manufacturing and transportation, aside from small, battery-powered forklifts that must be recharged for many hours between uses. (There are no battery-powered ocean freighter ships that can cross the Pacific Ocean on battery power, for example. They simply do not exist.)

Ending fossil fuels and combustion engines would result in a catastrophic collapseof national food production.

Our rough estimate is that food supplies would collapse by 80% within the first 12 months after fossil fuels are outlawed.

The result would be mass starvation, social chaos, uncontrolled outbreaks of infectious disease, a collapse of government, widespread mayhem and lawlessness.

Under the scenario, the GDP of the United State of America would plummet by an estimated 70% as the national economy grinds to a halt.

America would cease to exist as a nation and would be especially vulnerable to invasions by foreign forces such as China, Russia or even migrant waves of military-aged men from Central and South America. (Is this what Ocasio-Cortez wants to see happen?)

In summary, the “Green New Deal” appears to be a planned, engineered economic apocalypse plot to destroy America from within. No wonder so many Democrats have signed onto the plan, for it is exactly what they want to see happen: the complete economic destruction of the United States of America.

The Green New Deal might be more accurately called “the 1700s” because it would thrust America back to the age before engines and machines, forcing the nation to live in an era utterly lacking in modern machines that produce and transport the food supply.

See the full Infographic here… and share everywhere

You can also view a larger version of the following infographic at this link:

It’s also worth noting in all this that combustion engines release carbon dioxide, the very “miracle molecule” needed by plants to grow and produce food. CO2 is essential to photosynthesis, and by burning fossil fuels, heavy machines actually release carbon that has been sequestered in the Earth. Higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere accelerate food crop production and even allow arid regions of the world to produce more food. This is why greenhouses frequently buy and operate CO2 generators to increase the CO2 in the greenhouse air, accelerating plant growth.

Thus, the very fossil fuel-powered machines that harvest the food also release food-producing nutrients as they are operated. This is an indisputable scientific fact. There’s even a non-profit group called the CO2 Coalition that publishes white papers talking about the simple science behind CO2. (The group is probably funded by the energy industry, but that doesn’t mean their information is wrong.)

Carbon dioxide is such an important molecule for all life on Earth that I’m now calling it the “God molecule.” Yet climate change cultists call CO2 a “pollutant,” completely oblivious to the crucial role this molecule plays in all plant life on our planet (and nearly all food webs that support animals and humans).

Although combustion engines can release particulate pollutants, that is almost entirely eliminated through emissions controls. Newer diesel engines even use ammonia solutions to produce near-zero emissions, and all the agricultural, construction and transportation equipment sold today must adhere to these stringent emissions controls. I know this because I own modern John Deere equipment, and the emissions are so clean that you can now literally stand right behind the exhaust of a diesel-powered machine and breathe normally. It’s not like the old ways when diesel engines spewed dark clouds of toxic pollutants.

Solar power and wind power have their place and can be very effective at powering homes and businesses that are connected to the grid, but “green” energy sources are incredibly bad at powering machines which are not connected to the grid. That’s why the Green New Deal is a pipe dream authored by some of the most incredibly stupid, scientifically illiterate people on the planet.

37 Comments on "Green New Deal Would Unleash A Catastrophic Food Collapse"

makati1 on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 9:04 pm

“That’s why the Green New Deal is a pipe dream authored by some of the most incredibly stupid, scientifically illiterate people on the planet.”

That sums the article, and situation, up perfectly. The US has the greatest collection of “the most incredibly stupid, scientifically illiterate people on the planet” running the government. Almost promises another term for Trump. Go Trump! Take America Down! LOL

“…in 2002 the US withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. At the time, the Russians declared that they will be forced to respond, and were basically told “Do whatever you want.” And so they did, developing new weapons that no anti-ballistic missile system can ever hope to stop.”

“…the Americans can now rest assured that if they ever attack Russia the result will be their complete, guaranteed annihilation, and the Russians can rest secure in the knowledge that the US will never dare to attack them.

The real victory happened on February 2, 2019. This day will be remembered as the day when the Russian Federation decisively defeated the United States in the battle for Eurasia—from Lisbon to Vladivostok and from Murmansk to Mumbai.”

BTW “(Russia)… is building nuclear generating capacity around the world and owns a lion’s share of the world’s nuclear industry. The US can no longer keep the lights on without Russian nuclear fuel imports.”

Slip slidin’…

SP on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 9:18 pm

Who is NaturalNews.com per Wikipedia

Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a website for the sale of various dietary supplements, promotion of alternative medicine, controversial nutrition and health claims,[2] scientific fake news,[3][4] and various conspiracy theories,[5] such as “chemtrails”, chemophobic claims (including the purported dangers of fluoride in drinking water,[6] anti-perspirants, laundry detergent, monosodium glutamate, aspartame), and purported health problems caused by allegedly “toxic” ingredients in vaccines,[2] including the now-discredited link to autism.[7] It has also spread conspiracy theories about the Zika virus allegedly being spread by genetically modified mosquitoes[8] and purported adverse effects of genetically modified crops, as well as the farming practices associated with and foods derived from them.[9]

makati1 on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 9:26 pm

SP, and your point is? That ALL of the points made are accurate?

BTW, they are.

makati1 on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 9:31 pm

SP, trying to kill the messenger because you don’t like the message changes nothing.

BTW: A conspiracy theory is only so until it is proven to be true, as most have over the years.

DMyers on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 9:39 pm

Alexandria, I’m lovin your looks. Speak, and it shall be. That’s the only way this thing will work. May miracles abound.

I did like her proposal for a living wage to all those who were “unwilling” to work. But as I understand it, she has since removed that particular phrasing. I say, bring it back. All the way Socialism. That’s what we need.

Anonymouse on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 10:26 pm

Radical left-wing Democreatures? In the united snakes? No such thing in uS exists, at least not anywhere official positions of power. Not even mildly left-wing. Maybe a few token pseudo-lefties (your Bernie sanders types), but, there certainly is nothing like a ‘left’ wing in the uSs governing circles, much less any radicals lol. When radical is defined as wanting normal relations with say, Russia, or closing a money sink military base or cancelling a worthless weapons program, you know your cuntry is truly fucked up.

Still, manufacturing hysteria on demand with over-the-top hyperbole, remains the one thing amerika is #1 at.

Besides even if this horsehit article were remotely accurate, it would be amerikans that would mostly be turned into scarecrows, which, once they expired, would reduce the population(good for the planet) of the most worthless eaters and resources hogs history has ever seen. Good for world peace too once we shed a couple hundred million war-mongers and their enablers.Also good for the planet.

If there is a downside to their hysterical futurecast, I am not really seeing it.

Cloggie on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 10:51 pm

From mak’s Orlov link:

“It won’t be a difficult decision for Europe’s leaders to make. On the one pan of the scale there is the prospect of a peaceful and prosperous Greater Eurasia, from Lisbon to Vladivostok and from Murmansk to Mumbai, safe under Russia’s nuclear umbrella and tied together with China’s One Belt One Road.“

Exactly what I have been saying for years here. PBM.
Anglosphere means the death of the white race.
Post-communist Russia means rebirth of European civilization. I only need a nano-second to decide of which club I want to be a member.

These days Russia has started a charm offensive in Germany: a large number of classical musicians will perform 700 times all over Germany. No rap monsters with tattoos all over, but well-dressed, well-behaving, disciplined, cultured, good-looking white people. The German population loves it. The German imperial media tried to insert a little skeptical tone, but they also had to report earlier this week, no doubt to their horror, that Germans have a great preference for Eurasia over the US:

The media tried to blame it on Trump, who had thrown cookies at Merkel during a summit, last Summer.

makati1 on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 11:00 pm

Thought you would like that article. It explains a lot, but has some negatives for the American “exceptionalists” here.

I would love to see a Eurasian world with the US outside and neutered.

Outcast_Searcher on Wed, 13th Feb 2019 11:36 pm

OK Mak. You’re sounding more delusional than ever, which is saying a LOT, given your posted nonsense around here.

So regale us with “truth” Which conspiracy theories do you want to claim are true, since you say “most are”?

Chrome Mags on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 12:02 am

It’s not worth analyzing her proposal. She’s young and acted without wisdom or enough knowledge about the subject of energy to realize the folly she was attempting. The Dems should have never let her unveil that crap.

makati1 on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 12:59 am

Outcast, You list them. They are just about everything the US claims as fact, but is really bullshit.

All were once considered conspiracies. There are more but I’m not going to try to educate you. You obviously are too thick to ever understand or accept those facts. Easier to deny.

But then, there are always some who prefer the government to do their thinking for them. Suckin’ on that government Koolaid and a government teat. Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!

BTW Outcast, are you a Davy clone? Sounds like it. He is the example dictionaries give when they define “delusional”.

makati1 on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 1:06 am

Chrome, maybe she is doing it to show what should be done, but knows it will never be done? A lot of bullshit is proposed that is a lot more delusional than her GND. Your freedoms are being taken away daily by less obvious proposals.

The US is crumbling. Her proposals are about 50 years too late. The US is in regression and over its head in debt of all kinds. It cannot survive much longer. The rest of the world is moving away from its insanity. All we can hope for is that it is severely crippled before it can start a world war. It is suffering the fate it deserves.

Consider that, in six years,o she can run for President. Right after Trump’s second term. LOL

Theedrich on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 2:12 am

Back to the 1800s Green New Deal. Great idea, AOC! Eliminate all modern devices, tools, transportation, medicine, electronics; give everyone a good-paying job on a farm (50¢/hour). Norman Rockwell, here we come. The Mohammedans, Spics, and assorted other muds will love it as they pour into the eco-paradise of the USA.

Of course, China might not choose the same path. But thats good, because we can borrow all the more from that country to pay for the new stoners heaven. And hereabouts a new Mao Tse-Tung or Stalin can show us the way, the truth and the life.

We just need more low-IQ, horse-faced Congressional Spickesses from the Bronx to enlighten us about how to avoid the End of the World in twelve years. Yup. From the mouths of babes.

Martin on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 2:53 am

I disagree with conclusions of article.
Green New Deal would actually work but there are few prerequisite conditions to be met.

The most important one is to drasticaly expand already huge American prison population.
There are already 3 millions or so of American locked up in prisons. We would need modify laws in such a way that even minor offence, like parking your bike in unassigned area would land one with 10 years prison term.
America would need to put additional 50 millions of peoples or so in prisons and then employ them as manual labor on farms.
Large scale organic production would result (prisoner manure and in some circumstances corpses could be used as a fertilizer supplement as well).
Overall fitness of the nation would also improve and upon introduction of daily calories allowance curent brand of Fat Pig Wallmart Babes would go away for good.
Fat sheriff unable to leave his car would also become joke of the past. First – there would be no car. Secend – sheriff would eat less and remain fit.

Go Speed Racer on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:16 am

AND NOW YOU KNOW
WHY TRUMP IS THE
PRESIDENT.

BECAUSE THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS
ARE KOMPLETELY FUNKING NUTS.

Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:36 am

The Green New Deal is an example of extremism actually hurting the green effort. The policies pushed are not realistic with tech nor the economics. The social aspects of the wealth transfer are beyond the change the system can manage and still be productive and produce the needed solar, wind, and efficiency tech. The problem with this fake green deal is behavior is not really addressed. What we are told is we can solve our problem and then given the fixes but the fixes are not realistic. They are just more denial of the science and economics we see with climate deniers but at the tail end.

It would be far better to push policy like Europe is doing. Europe is not perfect but they do have the best policy I have seen. China is too much malinvestment with the horse in front of the cart and with the hypocrisy of a massive coal industry effort. This Green New Deal is rubbish when reality tested and worse than China. We need to be pushing some policy like Europe.

Behavior has to adapt an accompanied with education. How many green classes are there in our school system? Not enough to make a difference. There must be sacrifice and it must be fair but this effort is more a power grab. The entire population must be stakeholders but the population is not united and many are not interested. This is all the ingredients of failure and it appears dead on arrival. Means test these policies and change what you can understanding failure is an option and failure of our way of life is likely in the cards. We can reduce the penalties but not the consequences of a bad way of life.

Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:45 am

This article is lame mainly because they have an axe to grind and an agenda that is not balanced. There are ways to reduce internal combustion engines on the farm. Mentioning putting solar panels on tractors is stupid. Their examples of the electric tractors laughable. Germany’s Fendt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK5lfKaE_hw is making an impressive 100HP tractor. I have also seen tractors with electric cables driving electric motors which work great for certain type of AG applications like the Central Valley of California where fields have nice and organized shapes. I am in hope of a 30HP electric tractor to make hay with. A small tractor like this makes it affordable in the right niche.

These electric tractors could be charged with solar and wind farms that would need a minimum of battery or storage because there is flexibility to working the times when fields are worked. Farming communities could go more intermittent as part of the lifestyle selling food and power with their own dedicated solar and or wind to charge tractors and sell surplus to the grid. We now have hydrogen showing promise which may be another avenue. Biomass production from crop waste could be added to this hydrogen effort.

There are many strategies that can help reduce our need for diesel. The problem now is the cost. A complete makeover may not be in the cards but starting the integration of electric into the farm’s mechanical efforts is a must. An effort to complement and enhance electrifying farms is a push for smaller farms and permaculture. Many more people need to be part time farmers. Urban populations need gardens, fruit trees, and animals instead of golf courses and theme parks. There is no way to quickly leave industrial agriculture unless you want to take the status quo down with you. If you do that forget about all those solar panels and wind turbines. Forget large populations. If that is what you want you may be one of those who ends up dead.

We can do a whole lot more with smaller farms and permaculture efforts. This is what the green new deal should be. It should be pushing the idea of people going back to the land not pretending we can reinvent a green modernism. We can’t take an unsustainable way of life and green coat it. A “REAL” green new deal would be about a new way of life that would adapt our modern life to its gradient of decline with a hybrid of the old and new. We could mitigate this decline and maybe even find a stable resting level eventually after a volatile stair step down. As long as we include denial in these policies little good will come of them. Europe has some denialist polices but they are more realistic and will achieve some good results until they hit a brick wall. This green new deal is a brick wall from the start from failed policy.

I work in a white-collar office
full of software types. Highly
educated AND highly liberal.

All 3 types of garbage are available
(green compost, blue cans & bottles,
and plain old garbage).

Not one of them has brains (or morals)
enough to use the cans correctly.

Not one.

They pour the coffee grounds into the
cans and bottles.

They put their aluminum cans into the
garbage.

They put their bottles into the compost.

In a white-collar liberal software office.

Every last one of them recycles their
garbage wrong but I recycle all
my garbage correctly. I am the only one.

You think shit-eating maggots like that,
the smartest in the land, are going to
be capable of going and farm the land
so that they don’t use any fossil fuel
anymore?

LOL. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

makati1 on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 4:13 am

Go speed, you point out exactly why the US is going to suffer the most in the coming crash, helplessness, arrogance and stupidity. Not one of your office mates can likely grow a carrot or have a place to do so if they did know how. Not one in 10,000 American have even the faintest idea of how to grow food. After all, it comes neatly packed on their grocery shelves from some “food fairies”. A plastic card provides their necessities.

baha on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 4:38 am

You can die now or die later. It doesn’t matter to me. I’m going to plant my garden now.

deadly on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 4:47 am

AOC is a clueless bartendress from the Bronx, she grew up in a rich neighborhood, but that doesn’t matter. She is probably still in diapers, wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

She doesn’t know if she is afoot or horseback. Nice rack on her though.

Her dad probably gave her a hundred grand and told her to get out of the house, her room was a mess, she had to go, the maid was complaining.

Nikola Tesla didn’t discover alternating current so AOC could walk up to a microphone and tell everybody what is wrong with them.

You can’t fix stupid and crazy both.

Field tractors use implements that are sixty feet wide, you need hundreds of horsepower to pull something like that. A one hundred horsepower tractor won’t budge that size of steel frame that weighs in the tons.

You need a Big Bud made in Havre out in Montana that has an engine of 525 horsepower. The biggest Big Bud is 747 horsepower. You will pull a 21 bottom plow. The fuel tank on a Big Bud holds 550 gallons.

AOC has no idea what is out there for power and tillage equipment, totally clueless.

Diesel fuel will be what you need to fire up the engine, peanut oil will work, but diesel from crude oil is the ticket. Millions of barrels of that stuff.

Roundup herbicide and Roundup ready gmo corn, soybean, and canola are planted to reduce tillage. After the Roundup herbicide is applied, all noxious plants will die, the gmo seed will survive, it will be a green shoot.

Once the green shoots appear, the primary leaves, weeds will also begin to grow, become green shoots, that is when the Roundup herbicide is applied.

One quart of Roundup per acre will control all the weeds, the gmo soybeans will survive.

Cuts down on cultivating the corn rows, saves fuel, time, and weeds aren’t robbing moisture and nutrients, yields improve three-fold and more at times.

What was once 25 bushel wheat in the late 50s are now acres of 90 bushel and more.

All of the noxious plants die, the gmo crops live on. Roundup herbicide saves millions of gallons of diesel fuel.

Maybe you agree with the system, maybe you don’t.

Without fossil fuels to power modern ag, you will being fishing, hunting and gathering all on your own. Some days you will go hungry.

It’ll be back to walking, hoeing weeds, and growing your very own food. Beneath AOC, she’ll starve to death refusing to give up her foolish pride.

“But it is far from clear that these newcomers have a grasp of economic reality that is any better than that of their ‘establishment’ opponents. They’re good at knowing what the public doesn’t like, but sketchy, at best, about what can realistically be offered instead. I like to think that energy-based analysis of the economy provides answers to questions which baffle ‘conventional’ economic interpretation.”

“– The almost tangible pace of economic deterioration, most obviously (though by no means exclusively) in China. – The complete bafflement of ‘the powers that be’ about the processes that are dismantling the established economic, social and political world-view.– The looming crisis of a financial structure built on reckless credit and monetary adventurism.– The rising anger of ‘ordinary’ people who, without knowing exactly how or why, suspect that they’ve been ‘taken for a ride’ by ‘the establishment’.– The impending revelation that’s likely to boost popular anger to levels dwarfing anything yet experienced.”

“Broadly speaking, people in Western countries have a long-established expectation, which is that they’ll retire in their early 60s, and then receive a pension equivalent to about 70% of their final in-work incomes. We’re close to a point at which retirement before the age of 70 will become impossible to finance and, even then, it’s unlikely that the 70%-of-income benchmark will be affordable.”

“The best way to impose a structure on these disparate issues is to start with their common cause – a deterioration in prosperity that’s becoming impossible to disguise, and which the authorities themselves seem wholly unable to comprehend.”

“Optimists assert that we needn’t worry about the ECoE problem with oil, gas and coal, because we can transition to renewable energy sources. This claim might be a valid one, though the weight of evidence strongly suggests otherwise. Where the optimists do depart completely from reality is in the assertion that this transition can happen seamlessly, without any check to “growth”, without any noticeable disruption and, needless to say, without any hardship which might weaken the economic or social status quo.”

“High on this list lies the indulgence of ideological extremism in economic organisation. If there was ever a time when society could afford either the fanaticism of “nationalising everything”, or the contrary fanaticism of “privatising everything”, that time passed at least two decades ago. What is required now is the pragmatism which surely leads to the “horses for courses” preference for a mixed economy, in which both the state and private enterprise concentrate on what each does best. Other luxuries that we can no longer afford include massive gaps between the poorest and the wealthiest. This was an affordable luxury when everyone was getting a little more prosperous with each passing year. When your own circumstances are improving, it’s not difficult to accept the extreme wealth of your neighbour – but this tolerance will dissolve very quickly indeed when exposed to the solvent of generally deteriorating prosperity.”

The Green New Deal is both necessary and hopeless. Such is our predicament. Forced sacrifice is our future, not BAU. AOC is full of youthful vigor and a get things working attitude but all she is doing is rearranging the deck chairs as they go sliding towards the railing. An undertone of desperation is becoming more prevalent in our institutions as the bottleneck nears. The solutions proffered in our long emergency will become much more ludicrous as Ind Civ dissipates. Even the popcorn will lose its taste.

The simple truth is that AOC has become the poster child for the New Left (not to be inferred as Liberal or Progressive). She is the darling of the talk show circuit as she represents the youth and vigor of a generation that has no direction in their lives. It wouldn’t surprise me that in 2020 people complain that the Constitution is unfair because she cannot run for the Presidency.

The fact is that younger people in this nation are caught up in a notion of instant gratification. Many were probably rejects from American Idol. They are strapped in student loan debt. They haven’t found their meaningful career. They look in envy at older generations in their 500K homes with a Mercedes and a Hybrid in the driveway and wonder why they are not fortunate enough to also have the same luxuries. They assume that life is unfair in its failure to bestow on them those comforts. Their answer is to take.

They feel that they have a monopoly on making the world a better place, and there is nothing wrong in the idolism of youth. Perhaps we all had that at one point in time. Yes, the environment needs addressing. Yes, there is economic inequality. Yes, there is gender inequality. Yes, there is racial inequality. And we can go on and on and on. Yet everything isn’t terrible, there are many good points and those must be worked on.
The most interest aspect of AOC love fest is that there are 101 new Representatives in the 116th Congress and she has probably go more publicity than the other 100 combined.

I can run the whole place with one good mule, and a pair of Dexter oxen. Necessary equipment: John Deere mechanical mower, John Deere rake, hay wagon, a plow, a shovel, an axe, a digging bar, and one good saddle horse. Livestock wouid include 5 Dexter mother cows, one Dexter Bull, two Dexter Oxen, one work mule, 5 sheep ewes, one sheep buck, 4 goat nannys, one goat buck, 20 laying hens, 4 geese, 4 turkeys, 5 barn cats, one livestock guard dog, two catahoula dogs, one heeler dog, and a house cat. The place would include brine barrels, a smoke house, a root cellar, a cooking and canning kitchen, a stainless steel table, a culinary well, a reliable source for irrigation water good quality knives and sharpening steels, a .243 rifle with a good quality scope, a .22 rifle, a .45 cal. 1911a pistol, a .45 long colt 1873 revolver, pack saddles, and other miscellaneous tack. Almost forgot the blacksmiths shop witrh a good mechanical forge and access to good quality coal. I’d have plenty of food for myself and family plus extra to share or barter. The key ingredient is a strong and like minded community. .

Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 11:32 am

Estamous, always nice to see your comments. I have many of the same things on my farm. When I see someone else is doing what I am doing it gives me a boost. Don’t weaken my friend.

bob poulton on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 1:53 pm

I’m getting old, but just about got this place whipped into shape. Still need a good root cellar, and the smoke house. Got the mule, the Dexters, the goats, sheep, geese, turkeys, chickens, dogs and cats. Need a good stainless steel table for outdoor kitchen (very useful for canning veggies, or cutting up venison, lamb, goat, or beef). We grow lots of veggies, plenty for us, and we sell our surplus at the farmer’s market in town and a couple of restaurants, We always have fresh eggs, goats milk and cheeses and sometimes cows milk. We like our goat meat, along with pork from a neighbor, bottled turkey and chicken, and a beef we process every three or four years. We always have good spring lamb. We make lots of cider in he fall and can vegetables for a month or two. The pantry is full. Life is good. Wish I had a son to take over. Once upon a time i was a Cowboy and rode nice horses that would dance and be studdy for the pretty girls. Now I ride my good mule, “Hemmingway The Terrorist”. Nothing studly about him. Still have my silver bits and good puncher spurs and a half a dozen worn out hats hanging around the place. My wife has an inclination to throw them out and so I have to watch her. I like my hats. I did try to sell one on ebay one time….., no luck. My buddy sold one of his at the general store in town. I thought I’d give one of mine a try. Didn’t sell so I gave it to the trailer park in town and it’s been hanging on the same shed for 15 years now. Still isn’t worn out.

Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:12 pm

I have many of the same things on my 5000 acre mind-farm. I get up at 6am, no 3am, no 12am, and work all day long posting at PO.com. When I see someone else doing what I am doing, sock-puppeting, cut and pasting world salads no one reads, harassing and insulting everyone and everything that I dont approve of, and linking zerohedge garbage all day long, it gives me a boost. Don’t weaken my friend.

Sunspot on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:14 pm

It’s all very simple:
We can cease burning all fossil fuels immediately and civilization will collapse and we will all die.
or…
We can keep burning fossil fuels until the atmosphere gets too hot to grow food anymore and we will all die.
Of course what will actually happen may be much more interesting than either of these, but the option where we maintain bau for much longer doesn’t exist. Sorry.

Not Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:49 pm

Davy on Thu, 14th Feb 2019 3:12 pm

Loren Petrich on Sun, 17th Feb 2019 3:22 pm

I concede that a 10-year timescale is very ambitious and likely to be only partially successful. But aside from that, this article is pure nonsense.

Aside from that, I fully concede the energy density and usability of liquid fuels, but there is something called synthetic fuels that the article’s authors don’t seem to have heard of. One electrolyzes water and then combines the hydrogen with carbon dioxide to make hydrocarbons and water. As a bonus, this hydrogen is available for combining with nitrogen to make nitrogen fertilizers. Thus getting two for the price of one.

Finally, crop plants don’t need vehicle exhaust to grow, because there is already plenty of CO2 in the atmosphere. The problem with CO2 is having too much of it. Consider planet Venus, a planet with an atmosphere about 100 times more massive than ours, an atmosphere that is mostly CO2. This makes a super greenhouse effect that makes its surface temperature 450 C / 840 F. The longest that a spacecraft has landed on its surface is 2 hours.

So I find that article’s twaddle very difficult to take seriously.

Cloggie on Sun, 17th Feb 2019 3:46 pm

“There is no law of nature that states that only fossil fuels can power vehicles.”

“If you think that wind generators and solar panels are the answer, these can’t be built or maintained without fossil fuels.”

Complete rubbish. In one sentence Orlov disses the entire renewable energy policy of Europe, the continent where science and technology were invented, so Orlov can ram his Russian nukes through our throats. Not even our resident nuclear energy promoter Antius will make such a statement.

Davy on Sun, 17th Feb 2019 4:17 pm

“If you think that wind generators and solar panels are the answer, these can’t be built or maintained without fossil fuels.”

1KW does not equal 1KW clog once out in the real world. Economies produce KW’s not the other way around. Orlov point is valid until proven wrong by a yet to be realized transition.

Cloggie on Sun, 17th Feb 2019 4:36 pm

Let this sink in to realize that you can convert renewable energy into fossil fuels: