No Rights- no, I don't think everyone should cater to me. Actually, you could say it is the smokers who feel that way, since they are in the MINORITY!

And, just ot be clear, I don't visit places with a lot of smokers. More than once I have left when I enter and my eyes begin to burn from the smoke.

As for the fast food and the healthiness. Each person can choose there health options on their own, But I shouldn't be subjected to their bad choices.

Now, I would have a problem if I went to a fast food restaurant and someone who ordered a triple cheeseburger with Large fries took a bite and then spit it into the air, some of the food landing on me. In that scenario, your analogy would fit, but in the real world, them eating a cheeseburger in the same place as I am eating my choice, really has no direct impact on me.

So, guess if you choose to kill yourself with cigarettes I would simply have to ask, why wait so long, guns are readily available and much quicker.

First and foremost, it is not the 4 elite's decision on how I run my business. Second, LiSaL, nudity has never been legal, so that is a moot point, unless you want it go get a special license that allows it, oh, but that is tax dollars, maybe the intent is to allow smoking in establishments if the owner buys a special smoking license. Those smokers add so much tax revenue to YOUR lives. I think you all will feel the pain when the real estate taxes increase to make up for lost tax revenues, someone has to pay for those fabulous schools you all advertise. Thirdly, how may establishments does this really affect? There are like 6 places in LSL to eat and one of those is only to drink, so was it really worth giving up and creating such a stir? I think the aldermen that voted for this should think about the city and not just their personal agendas.

This infringes on constitutional rights of business owners and that is NOT 4 liberal aldermen's choice to make, put it to a vote and let the people speak, this isn't communist China!!

AGAIN... get your smoking butts outside and smoke cause nonsmokers dont want to smell your stinkin' butts! how can anyone civilized sit down in a resturant or bar without hacking out a lung cause of the smoke? plain and simple, get the f out.

So the fact that a law was made to make nudity illegal is different than a law making it illegal to smoke in public? True- since nudity is a moral thing and smoking can KILL people.

It isn't a matter of my leaving if I don't like it, it's a matter of my right to live my life without being killed by a really dumb person who is killing themselves?

I make sense, you however, do not.

Again, as said before, those who want to kill themselves with cigarettes, great, go do it, don't include me. But why not just take a gun and end it quick and less painful. The result will be the same. YOU WILL BE DEAD!

LiSal says "no, I don't think everyone should cater to me" but everything to writes is saying she wants to be catered to. None of her arguments hold water. One of those political nut jobs who is all for Socialism instead of Democracy.

Great- now this debate has turned toward a conservative against Liberal thing.

SayNoToSocialism, care to give an example of what I write that caters to me- when the opposing view doesn't cater to someone else?

Maybe you are confused that taking a stance on an issue is different than asking to be catered to. Stop being a blind sheep and following the crowd beause it's the thing to do. Try to have an original thought and decide for yourself.

Do not buy cigarettes in Lake St. Louis, do not let them get the tax money. Go to close by cities to drink and smoke in their clubs. Government stay our of people's lives!!!!!. Put that up to a city wide vote not let 4 people chose for you!!!!

FYI - The Aldermen voted as their constituents dictated. That's one reason the Aldermen are in their position - to represent the wishes and needs of their residents!

First and foremost, it is not the 4 elite's decision on how I run my business. Second, LiSaL, nudity has never been legal, so that is a moot point, unless you want it go get a special license that allows it, oh, but that is tax dollars, maybe the intent is to allow smoking in establishments if the owner buys a special smoking license. Those smokers add so much tax revenue to YOUR lives. I think you all will feel the pain when the real estate taxes increase to make up for lost tax revenues, someone has to pay for those fabulous schools you all advertise. Thirdly, how may establishments does this really affect? There are like 6 places in LSL to eat and one of those is only to drink, so was it really worth giving up and creating such a stir? I think the aldermen that voted for this should think about the city and not just their personal agendas.This infringes on constitutional rights of business owners and that is NOT 4 liberal aldermen's choice to make, put it to a vote and let the people speak, this isn't communist China!!

AGAIN...This is not the "personal agenda" of the Aldermen; they were elected to represent their constituents! The ability to go into any restaurant - existing or future - and enjoy clean air is what the residents told their Aldermen we need. We're maintaining the City of Lake Saint Louis as the 9th Best City in the US, in which to live! Some day the rest of the county - and perhaps state - will see the wisdom of our ways!!

allthewest- you are exactly right. But it seems when someone doesn't get there way, they claim favoritism, personal agendas and special interest groups.

Glad someone realizes what the aldermen do is because of their beliefs meshed with the constituents desires.

As for the claim of elitism, well, that does strike as a recurring them in both the city and the CA. Not that those in power mean to be elite, they mean well, and believe in their actions as best for the area. But they view things with an elitist attitude at times.

No alderman asked my opinion before that vote, in fact they openly chose to not get the publics opinion on the matter as it would cost a few bucks to find out what their constituents wanted. As for the affected businesses, I did some quick calculations and figure it affected 2 to 3 businesses. Denny's and the Pub and MAYBE El Maguy (not sure if they allow smoking in there). So this was obviously a personal agenda against a few business owners and thus didn't require any input from the community as it didn't really affect but a few. My problem, as a non smoker, is that the elected officials are making decisions for those that have worked hard to build a business for themselves, they aren't paid by the tax payers, in fact they are paying those individuals salaries with every beer or hamburger they sell. Less Govt. intervention in our personal lives is what this argument is all about. Only the uneducated think this is about smoking. Wait til they start taxing your sodas and cheese puffs, your eyes will be opened then.

It seems the same with so many web forums and places such as this to post comments. Some of you folks will only see it your way and nothing else.

The biggest question that most just can't reply to is:

If this certain place accepts smoking: Just don't go there..It is that easy, that simple! Why is that so hard? If non smoking only is so important then I could open a place like this and cash in with huge amounts of business from the non smokers. Have you ever seen a place do this on thier own? Answer that one.

I doubt that I would go to smoking places if I were a non smoker. I am smart enough to make that decision for myself and wouldn't need others to have thier choices taken away from them for my needs.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch carried the story on the FRONT PAGE at least twice before the vote at the Aldermanic meeting. You had every chance to attend that meeting and speak your opinion.

Additionally, you could have called your Alderman personally to voice your opinion.

Former smoker wrote:

No alderman asked my opinion before that vote, in fact they openly chose to not get the publics opinion on the matter as it would cost a few bucks to find out what their constituents wanted. As for the affected businesses, I did some quick calculations and figure it affected 2 to 3 businesses. Denny's and the Pub and MAYBE El Maguy (not sure if they allow smoking in there). So this was obviously a personal agenda against a few business owners and thus didn't require any input from the community as it didn't really affect but a few. My problem, as a non smoker, is that the elected officials are making decisions for those that have worked hard to build a business for themselves, they aren't paid by the tax payers, in fact they are paying those individuals salaries with every beer or hamburger they sell. Less Govt. intervention in our personal lives is what this argument is all about. Only the uneducated think this is about smoking. Wait til they start taxing your sodas and cheese puffs, your eyes will be opened then.

Allthewest, The decision was made prior to the meeting, nothing was going to change these power mongers that are apparently making up for some other inadequacy in their lives.

Unreal, why does this liberal country think of suing every time there is something they disagree with? Childish if you ask me. Again, people hiding some other inadequacy, probably got beat up alot in High School or were the dorks that no one wanted to socialize with. I am sorry for your pathetic life, but don't think its really fair that you can threaten us all with lawsuits over things that can't actually ever make it to court, but you can keep on believing what you want to its the liberal way. Us smarter folks have learned to dismiss your types stupid comments.

I contacted my alderman in support of the ban. He mentioned that comments from residents were running 3 to 1 for the ban on smoking.

To me, that is representative govt. But I'd be glad to see it put to a vote so that you "put it to a vote" in the spirit of democracy will quit criticizing the "liberal elite" whom you think do not represent YOUR narrow, minority special interests and life-threatening habit.

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