I guess that I was unaware that Papa Johns was responsible for other people's health care. I would hope that they just cooked a good pizza. If along the way they provide a job, they've also accomplished one of the most noble things any man could do for another. Everett seems to have forgotten the principal of private contract and that the terms of employment at John's pizza place are really none of his business.

I guess that I was unaware that Papa Johns was responsible for other people's health care. I would hope that they just cooked a good pizza. If along the way they provide a job, they've also accomplished one of the most noble things any man could do for another. Everett seems to have forgotten the principal of private contract and that the terms of employment at John's pizza place are really none of his business.

Snow, you and I agree on most things. It appears on this one we differ.

Whether I choose to patronize a business or not, it is not unheard of for me to know a little about them. In this case, after reading many articles about Big Papa making statements about how Obama Care was going to be horrible for his business, I am doing something that is long overdue and trying to understand more about this local franchise and the parent company they represent. We all know that every business is in business for one reason; to make money. We could discuss things all over the map (pun intended)....things like the labor Wal Mart suppliers use, vs. locally produced certified organic goat cheese etc. etc. But, at the end of the day, how a company treats its employees is pretty important to me and in turn, it is my business.

And, before someone takes exception to my singling out Papa, please know this is only one example, there are many many more out there. And if more of us paid more attention to how we spend our consumer dollars, it is possible attitudes and actions would change in the "C" suites of the world.

But, my point is, in this case, when you must drive your own vehicle, pay for all the vehicle expenses, and then rely so heavily on a customer "tip" for something as basic as having a pizza delivered to your home. it is more than a little financial challenge. ( BTW, I do tip heavily for pizza delivery, but others choose not too. And, the service here does not come close to the tip a waitress gives after waiting on me for an hour during a meal.....just my opinion)

So, for a company with millions upon millions in profit, it would be most noble for them to sacrifice some of that profit for their employees so, our wonderful politicians don't put the burden on us, the taxpayers.

Take a look at one example of a PBO Papa John delivery: The driver is dispatched to a house in the middle of The Preserve (btw, they deliver even further than this). He/she is delivering a $15.00 pizza. It is over 11 miles to the house, 22 miles round-trip. The round trip takes over 30 minutes. The homeowner tips the driver 20% ($3.00). How much did the driver earn after expenses?

Expenses get a little tricky. Sure there is fuel. But, what about all the other things like tires, insurance, oil, wear and tear, etc. etc. Let's look at three estimates.

First using the approved IRS mileage rate of 56.5 cents per mile....that comes out to $12.43. The result is a net loss of $5.35 for the 30 minutes of work.

Second using just fuel. .... which is not reality, but how some look at it.....Let's say the vehicle being used gets an average of 22 miles per gallon. And fuel cost $3.25 per gallon ( I wish!). Now the result is a net gain to the driver of $3.83 for this 30 minutes of work.

Third, ok, since you get a tax credit of 56.5 cents per mile, perhaps your net expenses are half of that (28.25 cents) Using that, your "real" expenses become $6.21 for the trip. Now you have a net gain of 87 cents for the 30 minutes of work.

To everyone out there, sorry for hijacking a Wanted Ad in our classified section. If anyone wants to continue, perhaps Gene could move the thread to a location he feels is more appropriate.

Just Evertt knows when you are in store and not on a delivery you get min wage. And reality is that majority of the time you get more than 1 delivery in a hour. Also, you were saying mileage they keep up with your mileage in the computer and if you keep your receipts from gas purchases you can claim all that at the end of the year. I guess you are not on top knowing how things at Papa are. But it is obivious that you aren't because you are on here keeping a simple going and going. I will defend Papa because this is how I pay my bills and support my family. I will not feed into lack of knowledge anymore, you are on the political deal and I was simply trying to help others who need a job and have a family and bills to pay know that they need help. Unlike you apparently you have more time on your hands than you know what to do with because, I was trying to help but you try to throw Papa under the bus. Maybe you should just let somethings go if it not affecting you directly. THIS IS MY LAST AND FINAL POST TO THE CHILDISH GAME YOU ARE TRYING TO KEEP GOING. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

Just Evertt knows when you are in store and not on a delivery you get min wage. And reality is that majority of the time you get more than 1 delivery in a hour. Also, you were saying mileage they keep up with your mileage in the computer and if you keep your receipts from gas purchases you can claim all that at the end of the year. I guess you are not on top knowing how things at Papa are. But it is obivious that you aren't because you are on here keeping a simple going and going. I will defend Papa because this is how I pay my bills and support my family. I will not feed into lack of knowledge anymore, you are on the political deal and I was simply trying to help others who need a job and have a family and bills to pay know that they need help. Unlike you apparently you have more time on your hands than you know what to do with because, I was trying to help but you try to throw Papa under the bus. Maybe you should just let somethings go if it not affecting you directly. THIS IS MY LAST AND FINAL POST TO THE CHILDISH GAME YOU ARE TRYING TO KEEP GOING. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

Likewise, I guess I was unaware that EG did not have a right to express his feelings about the policies of a public business. He has just as much 'business' discussing their policies as anyone else - including Snowcamper discussing EG's personal opinions. One of the most noble things is also when people speak up about something they don't agree with and take action personally. It does not matter if they work for the company or not, as we all have a right to speak out and to vote with our wallet. Snowcamper seems to forget that since Papa John's is s business that serves the public, the public is entitled to look at how they treat their employees, among other factors, when making their selection of such services.

Likewise, I guess I was unaware that EG did not have a right to express his feelings about the policies of a public business. He has just as much 'business' discussing their policies as anyone else - including Snowcamper discussing EG's personal opinions. One of the most noble things is also when people speak up about something they don't agree with and take action personally. It does not matter if they work for the company or not, as we all have a right to speak out and to vote with our wallet. Snowcamper seems to forget that since Papa John's is s business that serves the public, the public is entitled to look at how they treat their employees, among other factors, when making their selection of such services.

Their pizza sucks anyway, no offense. It is passable at best.

Your view of intending no offense is quite odd, Yip. It sure seems it was intended to offend. Reason being, no one was asking for opinions on pizza tastes; nonetheless, you offered yours. But hey, your entitled to said opinion; I just thought it was odd interjecting it in the manner you did. C'est la vie.