This is how I see it. The main reason a person would own a gun is for protection, right? So if we were to take away the right to bear arms for regular citizens then we wouldn't have a problem. Most of the people who used the gun wrong, most likely bought them legally. So if we only gave guns to the people who need them for a job to protect the regular citizens then there would be no problem. I don't see why a man would have to carry around an AK-47 for protection.

If you live in America, and don't think people should be allowed to own guns, then you are basically shitting on one of the biggest things our founding fathers stood for, and they were very intelligent people. If you don't understand why guns maintain your "freedom", then you should go back to school or something. You know, learn how to see the bigger picture, really simple things like that.

Let's just say that without guns, you wouldn't have the freedom of speech that allows you to want guns to be banned in the first place.

Can't say I agree. It's a nice argument and there is some truth to it but the fact of the matter is. As far as resisting your government If all you have is small arms then you might as well be disarmed. If your government decides to turn despotic and convinces the important part of your military's leadership to sign on (That part being the part that actually commands the respect and the obedience of the soldiers sailors and airmen) Then no amount of 5.56 Nato is going to help you. They won't even have to shoot you they can just run you over with their APCs (they don't even need the tanks, arty , air strikes, naval bombardments.. those would just be superfluous if all you had is small arms)

Instead of convincing people to arm themselves you'd be better off making sure that the average soldier/sailor/airman sees him or herself first as a proud citizen of your country who believes in the constitution they swear to uphold. and as an obedient soldier second.

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Oh and congrats on being the first in this thread to prove Godwin's law.

Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.

Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.

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He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D

Dyme420 said it exactly right. We can't defend ourselves with small arms? And who said anything about 5.56? What about 7.62? .45 ACP? .50 AE? The mentality that you can't defend yourself against the government, is exactly the problem with the nation now. The government is to fear the citizenry, not the opposite. And on topic, yes we should be allowed to own guns. For many reasons, If only for the possible need to one day defend ourselves against our own government.

I'm sorry but our government pretty much has drones at their disposal so good luck with "defense," because you'll definitely need it.

So, you're saying you would just roll over? You don't think the world would notice if the US government turned on it's own citizens? They definitely noticed when we have rebelled before. You would just give up the few freedoms we have, willingly, because "they have drones". Way to be a patriot.

This is how I see it. The main reason a person would own a gun is for protection, right? So if we were to take away the right to bear arms for regular citizens then we wouldn't have a problem. Most of the people who used the gun wrong, most likely bought them legally. So if we only gave guns to the people who need them for a job to protect the regular citizens then there would be no problem. I don't see why a man would have to carry around an AK-47 for protection.

Feedback is encouraged!

That point of view is pretty naive. Most gun crime isn't committed with legally purchased weapons, it would be too easy to get caught if you ditched the gun. The guns are either stolen, or bought from some other country in South America. The problem with only having the "protectors" armed is that you then give them all of the power, which they already take too much of. I happen to not trust the police, so I wouldn't want the only armed people in America be the police, the military, and the criminals. Because the criminals will definitely still be armed. Assault weapons ban in '94, gun crimes didn't even flinch. Can't buy automatic weapons? I heard automatic gunfire when I was a kid in DC all the time. Criminals and gangs will always get weapons. Why disarm ourselves?

If you live in America, and don't think people should be allowed to own guns, then you are basically shitting on one of the biggest things our founding fathers stood for, and they were very intelligent people. If you don't understand why guns maintain your "freedom", then you should go back to school or something. You know, learn how to see the bigger picture, really simple things like that.

Let's just say that without guns, you wouldn't have the freedom of speech that allows you to want guns to be banned in the first place.

Can't say I agree. It's a nice argument and there is some truth to it but the fact of the matter is. As far as resisting your government If all you have is small arms then you might as well be disarmed. If your government decides to turn despotic and convinces the important part of your military's leadership to sign on (That part being the part that actually commands the respect and the obedience of the soldiers sailors and airmen) Then no amount of 5.56 Nato is going to help you. They won't even have to shoot you they can just run you over with their APCs (they don't even need the tanks, arty , air strikes, naval bombardments.. those would just be superfluous if all you had is small arms)

Instead of convincing people to arm themselves you'd be better off making sure that the average soldier/sailor/airman sees him or herself first as a proud citizen of your country who believes in the constitution they swear to uphold. and as an obedient soldier second.

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Oh and congrats on being the first in this thread to prove Godwin's law.

Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.

Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.

edit:He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D

(emphasis mine.)
Your final comment frees me from any need to take you seriously, Have a nice life.

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Most of you don't want to have a dialogue. You just want to ram your second amendment and fear of government down everyone's throats. You are just as bad as the idiots who don't know anything about guns except that they don't like them and don't want anyone else to have them.

I wish you the joy of each others' company. I am done with this thread. You may have the last the word, but don't count on me having read it.

This callsign is OUT.

(minor edit for grammar and spelling. One's last words on a subject should at least be coherent)

Another minor edit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Resort to personal attacks As the quoted poster above me has done and all one proves is that they showed up to a battle of words with their guns unloaded. Might as well just call me a 'fag' or start speaking in 133t. Or more honestly, raise the right flag. Personal attacks prove you have no objective or logical grounds in your argument. so. have a nice life.

I resort to personal attacks because you have no dialogue. To say "we" avoid dialogue though? Ha! The three paragraphs wasn't enough for you?

There's a reason you don't take a knife to a gun fight. Human beings have been killing each other since inception. What makes you think you can stop that? You think your brothers of the great state of Canada killing afghan citizens is a result of peace and love? Oh, my apologies, I forget Canada is it's own country sometimes. It's people really seem to be concerned about our policy. As well as the U.K. and Australia... Link... Maybe??

Ok, I'll bite. So, your beliefs are; You don't think human beings are entitled to self defense from a single, multiple or an army of enemies. I disagree. Rebuttal?

If you live in America, and don't think people should be allowed to own guns, then you are basically shitting on one of the biggest things our founding fathers stood for, and they were very intelligent people. If you don't understand why guns maintain your "freedom", then you should go back to school or something. You know, learn how to see the bigger picture, really simple things like that.

Let's just say that without guns, you wouldn't have the freedom of speech that allows you to want guns to be banned in the first place.

Can't say I agree. It's a nice argument and there is some truth to it but the fact of the matter is. As far as resisting your government If all you have is small arms then you might as well be disarmed. If your government decides to turn despotic and convinces the important part of your military's leadership to sign on (That part being the part that actually commands the respect and the obedience of the soldiers sailors and airmen) Then no amount of 5.56 Nato is going to help you. They won't even have to shoot you they can just run you over with their APCs (they don't even need the tanks, arty , air strikes, naval bombardments.. those would just be superfluous if all you had is small arms)

Instead of convincing people to arm themselves you'd be better off making sure that the average soldier/sailor/airman sees him or herself first as a proud citizen of your country who believes in the constitution they swear to uphold. and as an obedient soldier second.

edit

Oh and congrats on being the first in this thread to prove Godwin's law.

Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.

Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.

edit:He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D

(emphasis mine.)
Your final comment frees me from any need to take you seriously, Have a nice life.

edit

Most of you don't want to have a dialogue. You just want to ram your second amendment and fear of government down everyone's throats. You are just as bad as the idiots who don't know anything about guns except that they don't like them and don't want anyone else to have them.

I wish you the joy of each others' company. I am done with this thread. You may have the last the word, but don't count on me having read it.

This callsign is OUT.

(minor edit for grammar and spelling. One's last words on a subject should at least be coherent)

Another minor edit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Resort to personal attacks As the quoted poster above me has done and all one proves is that they showed up to a battle of words with their guns unloaded. Might as well just call me a 'fag' or start speaking in 133t. Or more honestly, raise the right flag. Personal attacks prove you have no objective or logical grounds in your argument. so. have a nice life.

I resort to personal attacks because you have no dialogue. To say "we" avoid dialogue though? Ha! The three paragraphs wasn't enough for you?

There's a reason you don't take a knife to a gun fight. Human beings have been killing each other since inception. What makes you think you can stop that? You think your brothers of the great state of Canada killing afghan citizens is a result of peace and love? Oh, my apologies, I forget Canada is it's own country sometimes. It's people really seem to be concerned about our policy. As well as the U.K. and Australia... Link... Maybe??

Ok, I'll bite. So, your beliefs are; You don't think human beings are entitled to self defense from a single, multiple or an army of enemies. I disagree. Rebuttal?

No. People should not own guns. We've seen what will happen. They've had their chance.

There are a lot of places that don't let people own guns.

They survive.

Sorry, disagree.

Who has had their chance. Crazy people?

Actually there are crimes and massacres in places where people are not allowed to own guns. also there are places other than the US were guns are common. or even required, they don't seem to have as many problems as the US does. something the anti-gun people don't like to talk about.

If you're going to weigh in here, I suggest you bring a more substantive argument. Not that it'll matter. there are folks just and adamant and unwilling to debate on the other side of the fence. so... I wish you the joy of each other.

Yes people should be able to own guns if they want to its thier choice to do so here its also thier RIGHT to do so.
I just love how people in other countrys think we sould be like them under the governments thumb and unable to defend themselfs against criminals

Yes people should be able to own guns if they want to its thier choice to do so here its also thier RIGHT to do so.
I just love how people in other countrys think we sould be like them under the governments thumb and unable to defend themselfs against criminals

Nothing in the OP said this was about the US. I just love how you think we should do things your way. Because it's been proven to be SO much better /sarcasm.