Re: Immigration, Islam & Freedom Addressed from God's Word

Dear Brother McCarter, I would encourage you to read the book before jumping to conclusions. Your contention that Baptists are in no small measure responsible

Message 1 of 5
, Jul 2, 2006

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Dear Brother McCarter,

I would encourage you to read the book before jumping to conclusions.
Your contention that Baptists are in no small measure
responsible "for getting us in our current mess with immigation" may
have some truth in it, but that does not mean that Baptists,
especially REFORMED BAPTISTS have nothing to say on this matter.

I will have David Dykstra respond for himself to your concerns, but
he is on vacation at the moment.

I appreciate the fact that you have taken the time to respond, but I
hope you will be willing to listen before jumping to conclusions.

Establishment Principle position which was responsible in no small
measure for getting us in our current mess with immigration.
Baptists have long argued that the State should not enforce the first
table of the Ten Commandments on the basis of their doctrine of "soul
liberty". This false doctrine opens the door for all sorts of false
religionists to take power and to come in.

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> As a former Baptist myself, I would recommend we look to other than

Baptists for solutions on such issues as immigration of Muslims.

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> - Parnell McCarter
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Fred blahous

G day Parnell, Immigration is one of those hot-button issues for me. As you are probably aware, last year we had Muslims terorising beach goers in NSW, and

Message 2 of 5
, Jul 3, 2006

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G'day Parnell,

Immigration is one of those hot-button issues for me. As you are
probably aware, last year we had Muslims terorising beach goers in
NSW, and when the locals had had enough of it, they finally took
matters into their own hands. This resulted in police attacking
their own kinsmen to "defend" gangs of immigrant thugs, and the
usual media whinning about how ashamed they are of their country.
(Unfortunately, they don't back up their statements by leaving :c).
It is amazing that these same gangs and their clerics always accuse
Jews of creating a "hostile environment". We have had Jews from the
start, and not one of them has ever harrassed or raped anyone.
Muslims come over, and we get nothing but constant trouble from day
one. I may not like the occupation of Palestinian Territories, but I
would rather live next door to a full-fledged AIPAC member than a
Leb Hizbollah member.

Establishment Principle position which was responsible in no small
measure for getting us in our current mess with immigration.
Baptists have long argued that the State should not enforce the
first table of the Ten Commandments on the basis of their doctrine
of "soul liberty". This false doctrine opens the door for all sorts
of false religionists to take power and to come in.

>
> As a former Baptist myself, I would recommend we look to other

than Baptists for solutions on such issues as immigration of Muslims.

>
> - Parnell McCarter
>

Parnell McCarter

The damage done by Judaists is not as obvious as that done by Muslims, but it is very real. Here in the USA, for example, Judaists have been a major part of

Message 3 of 5
, Jul 4, 2006

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The damage done by Judaists is not as obvious as
that done by Muslims, but it is very real. Here in the USA, for example,
Judaists have been a major part of such groups as the ACLU, which fought for
abortion "rights", pro-evolutionary teaching in public schools, etc.
(You know, it was Cromwell who first let Judaists
immigrate into Britain, against the opposition of most Presbyterians and
Anglicans alike.)

I think the best temporary solution is to let
Judaists and Muslims alike have their own homelands. Let's see how
the different religions fare in running nations. The Middle Eastern
nations give us a good guage of how these religions work. Sadly, though,
there is no true reformed Christian nation in the world to show the world how it
fares. But we can see how they fare historically (Calvin's Geneva, Puritan
New England, Knox's Scotland, etc.). One major opponent of such a reformed
Christian nation would be the USA (as well as most of the western nations)
though. They want secular humanist nations.

- Parnell McCarter

Fred blahous

G day Parnell, I don t believe the mere presence of Jews is a problem. If they are given permanent residency, required to attend upon conversionist sermons

Message 4 of 5
, Jul 5, 2006

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G'day Parnell,

I don't believe the mere presence of Jews is a problem. If they are
given permanent residency, required to attend upon conversionist
sermons once a week, and prohibitions against anyone borrowing or
loaning money at interest are established, there should be no
problems. The trouble is that countries have given them citizenship
without required religious tests, enabling them to exercise civil
and ecclesiastical office whilst still professing the Jewish
religion, and given them a vote. Plus countries do not observe the
old Cannons prohibiting such offices to the third generation of
converted Jews. The laws allowing for moral reform groups have also
contributed to the current problems.

I understand that some Jews are hostile to Christianity and/or
religion, but it is not universally true. If we simply send them all
to Israel, we remove any opportunities for them to hear the gospel,
and endanger the prospects for a peace settlement that would
recognise the rights and boarders of both Israel and Palestine.
Also, some Jews consider the existence of a Jewish state in
Palestine to be heresy in a state of exile. Shouldn't they be
permitted to dwell amongst us? The Presbyterians and Anglicans were
more opposed to a commoner setting aside an act of King Edward
(statute of Jewry), than with maintaining the act itself. Some felt
that a return of the exiles would be good in itself, as regards
extending the kingdom of Heaven to the Jews.

All the best,
Fred.

PS: For the benefit of other readers, I should point out that the
3rd Generation prohibition was not based on anti-Semetic bigotry,
but was a response to the "Kol Nidre", a Jewish law which allowed
for perjury to advance Judaization of kirk and kingdom by
disregarding vows and oaths made under a feigned conversion. This
was part of the motivation for Ferdinand and Isabella's expulsion
laws.

Muslims, but it is very real. Here in the USA, for example,
Judaists have been a major part of such groups as the ACLU, which
fought for abortion "rights", pro-evolutionary teaching in public
schools, etc. (You know, it was Cromwell who first let Judaists
immigrate into Britain, against the opposition of most Presbyterians
and Anglicans alike.)

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> I think the best temporary solution is to let Judaists and Muslims

alike have their own homelands. Let's see how the different
religions fare in running nations. The Middle Eastern nations give
us a good guage of how these religions work. Sadly, though, there
is no true reformed Christian nation in the world to show the world
how it fares. But we can see how they fare historically (Calvin's
Geneva, Puritan New England, Knox's Scotland, etc.). One major
opponent of such a reformed Christian nation would be the USA (as
well as most of the western nations) though. They want secular
humanist nations.

>
> - Parnell McCarter
>

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