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Dear June,
Regarding the kind of statement which you gave as a reference, is there any
possibility at all that the person might have been lying.
I know it must be enormously difficult for a fine person like yourself to
believe, even for a moment, that anyone would lie under oath--but I have heard
that it does actually happen from time to time. The person who made the
statement you presented was: SS-Unterscharfuehrer Oberhauser. Obviously, it
is hard for you to believe that a Nazi and a member of the SS would lie as
well--but, then again, perhaps they could.
How about some corroborating evidence like German "wartime" documents for
gassing at this particular camp? Or better yet, some corpses with a forensic
patholigist's report as to the cause of death? Or a plan for the gas chamber
by German architects or engineers?. Or even better than that, how about an
actual chamber?
Practically all of the evidence presented is evidence generated after the war.
On close scrutiny, all of that evidence is either totally absurd or, at the
very least, hopelessly vague and thoroughly contradictory. Just what one would
expect from a hoax. The"evidence" such as it is, converges indeed. The
holocaust story is a monstrous hoax; no one was gassed by the Nazis.
FPBerg
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Dear readers including Mr. Chuck Ferree,
I made a typo error in my previous post.
Diesel exhaust will still contain less than 0.1% CO at fast or slow idle--not
0.01% as I had inadvertently written. Apparently, no one noticed that error
which, unfortunately, shows just how technically hip the people in this
newsgroup really are--especially among the Holocaust believers. O.1% CO is
barely enough to cause a headache in half-an-hour.
FPBerg
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Dear Gord McFee,
You wrote:
>No one reads the rubbish you write other than superficially because it
>is the same old recycled garbage. The fact that you wrote 0.01% where
>you should have written 0.1% shows your "expertise" and explains why no
>one takes you seriously.
Does that mean you think I am wrong? Or does it simply mean that you are
giving up?
Please do explain.
If you think I am wrong, prove it. 2 million dead Jews are depending upon you
to prove they were really victims of Nazi diesel gas chambers.
FPBerg
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Dear June,
Obviously you are quite new to this subject and naive enough to believe that
revisionists, such as myself, have never really looked at any of the so-called
evidence of gassings.
If you can concede that a witness was lying in one part of his testimony, how
can you be sure that he was not also lying in all other parts of his testimony?
The only way one can pick and chose what parts to believe is by examining
the testimony of other witnesses as well--and other kinds of evidence as well.
There are absolutely no plans of German gas chambers which show any
descriptions or terminology on them to identify them as having ever been
intended as gas chambers. There are drawings of mortuaries or morgues which
exterminationists insist were intended for use as gas chambers--but there is
nothing incriminating in the actual text or even content of those drawings.
There is only one alleged German wartime document that describes a gassing and
that is the infamous letter from Dr. August Becker to Walter Rauff in Nuremberg
file PS-501. But even this "document" is not what people generally believe.
It is not an "original" at all. It is merely a carbon copy that Becker
supposedly kept in his office in occupied Russia--but, which was marked later
to make it appear as an original with notations from the recipients in Berlin
such as Pradel. In other words, it is forgery or confabulation and the
National Archives--Modern Military Branch knows this perfectly well even if
they dance around the story whenever asked about it.
I have been to Dachau, Auschwitz 1, Birkenau, and Mauthausen--several times to
each-- and what is shown there in the way of homicidal gas chambers are simply
nothing of the sort. No one was ever gassed in any of those alleged gas
chambers. Read the essays, especially my own, on the CODOH
website--http://www.codoh.com
If you do get involved, you will see that it is the exterminationist hoax which
is stupid. The reason there are so many "survivors," literally hundreds of
thousands even fifty years after the war, is precisely because there was no
attempt to exterminate those people in the first place. How do you explain
the current abundance of Jewish holocaust survivors? Nazi inefficiency
perhaps?
If the Nazis had wanted to exterminate people like unskilled teenagers Elie
Wiesel or Anne Frank, held as they were in Birkenau for many months in 1944,
they certainly would have been able to arrange it--if they had ever wanted to.
The fact that they didn't, is only explainable by the fact that they had no
desire to exterminate them. In general, the Nazis tried very hard under
hellish circumstances to keep the Jews alive--there was a war going on and
Germany was losing, unfortunately.
People were deported and generally tattooed at Auschwitz, but that is no proof
of extermination or of an intent to commit extermination. And no one was
gassed. Gas chambers of a different sort were used, however, to fumigate
clothing--and thereby keep people alive. The evidence of such life-saving
gaschambers has, however, been perversely used to support the claim that people
were gassed as well.
Zyklon-B was used already for more than fifteen years worldwide and especially
within the US to keep people alive. For example, official US Public Health
Reports give numerous detailed essays just about Zyklon-B and its lifesaving
role for example, for fumigating ships reularly within NY harbor--of all
places. The US Army regularly used Zyklon-B to fumigate all military barracks,
at least until 1944. And yet, the so-called Holocaust scholars have the
hutzpah to use any evidence of the German use of Zyklon-B in German
concentration camps as strong evidence of mass murder.
If any of your friends or relatives claim other relatives were gassed, they are
at minimum badly informed. If they claim they have direct knowledge on the
basis of their own observations, they are simply lying.
There are indeed many records of deportations--but none whatsoever of gassings.
There are many German extremely detailed and reliable records of deaths for
all of the major German concentration camps--but not one record of death by
gassing, even for common criminals. The total numbers of concentration camp
deaths is also extremely low compared to what is alleged. For example, the
death books for Auschwitz give a total of less than ninety thousand--for all
causes, and for all categories of prisoners including Russian prisoners of war.
This small number is usually "explained" away by exterminationists claiming
the gassed Jews were never registered to begin with--but there is absolutely no
real proof for that claim either.
In short, the Holocaust story is an obscene hoax--propped up even today only by
enormous propaganda campaigns from the Jewish community and terror. In Germany
and elsewhere in Europe, to deny the Holocaust hoax means go to jail. But, the
tide is turning because the evidence-- the real evidence, much of it newly
discovered-- converges to the revisionist view that there were absolutely no
gassings. No gassings--no holocaust!
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Sun Jul 26 13:32:03 EDT 1998
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Dear Mr. Richard Schultz,
There are many bad documents in connection with the Holocaust hoax. One
example which should be well known to you, since you are in Israel, is the
forged ID card that was used as a major piece of evidence in the Demjanjuk case
in Israel. That forged document was considered by the Israeli court to be far
more important even than the so-called eyewitness testimony of four Treblinka
survivors. Demjanjuk supposedly ran the Diesel engine that supposedly killed
800,000 Jews.
But more to your point about what "historians" have generally relied upon is
the infamous letter from Becker to Rauff which is part of the Nuremberg file
PS-501. This is the only alleged German wartime document which discusses
gassing-- and so it is enormously important. But, but, but--when one takes
the trouble to investigate, one finds---there is simply no true "original"
document here; there is merely, at best, a carbon copy--but dressed up to look
like an original. It was made to appear as if it was received in Berlin by
Rauff and Pradel and marked in the same way. Rauff was "persuaded" after the
war to certify its authenticity. Interestingly, that document would have
normally been sufficient to make Rauff a culpable party to massmurder and a
major war ciminal on a par with Eichmann--but he was let go instead and never
prosecuted. There are also at least three significantly different versions of
the text that are given out by the US National Archives as either
transcriptions or translations--(very shoddy work from the Archives, if you
read this).
For many other reasons, which I can not attempt to give here, this carbon is
most likely a Soviet forgery dressed up with the help of western allied
prosecutors and staff. For a more thorough discussion, see Ingrid Weckert's
essay in Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte. My own work on the German Holzgas or
producer gas technology, particularly Saurer vehicles, also helps to explain
this forged document. Exactly when and how and who exactly did the forgery
will take far more resources than the desperately poor revisionist community
can bring to bear for now.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Sun Jul 26 13:32:03 EDT 1998
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Dear Mr. Schultz,
The fact that there is a graveyard next to a place like Belzec should surprise
no one at all. We even have cemeteries right here in the good old USA and I
have heard rumors that there are also cemeteries in Israel for Jews and a few,
occasional, righteous gentiles.
However, according to "exterminationist" theory, "all" of the bodies of Jews
and others who were supposedly murdered at Belzec and practically all other
Nazi mass murder
sites were dug up and burned so that there would be no possible physical
evidence of Nazi atrocities. Well here, we have apparently lots of bodies
which prove at least that the exterminationist theory is totally wrong about
Nazi disposal of possible evidence. To believe that the Nazis could have
technically destroyed all possible physical evidence, even with cremation, is
wrong for starters; cremation still leaves lots of bone material and ash. But
now that there are corpses at Belzec, what were the causes of death? Old age?
Disease? Combat?
Forensic examinations of the corpses can and should be conducted now by
internationally respected forensic pathologists to establish the causes of
death. The fact that there are corpses, incriminates no one by itself. I
dare say, there will be absolutely NO instances of death from Diesel
exhaust--or any form of poison gas either.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Thu Jul 30 18:39:54 EDT 1998
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From: dieselzykl@aol.com (Dieselzykl)
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Dear Readers and Mr. Ferree,
If the deliberate firebombing of Japanese civilians was not a war crime, then
nothing is. The fact that Chuck Ferree insists otherwise, only "proves" that
he is as thoroughly depraved as any creature who ever walked the face of the
earth. The fact that most Americans share his obscene and cowardly beliefs,
shows how thoroughly depraved and evil this country is in general.
The very same cowardly savages have the huztpah to preach about the evil
Nazis. The simple fact is that even if the Holocaust hoax were true, what the
US actually did was far worse. Murder of innocent civilians by Nazis in gas
chambers would have certainly been a monstrous crime--but it still would have
been humane, and merciful and even civilized compared to the deliberate
roasting to death of women and children by the likes of Paul Tibbets Jr. and
the hundreds of thousands of US military personnel who knowingly participated,
directly or indirectly.
The first fire-raid was on Tokyo on March 10, 1945. It is thoroughly described
in an excellent book by Martin Caidin entitled: A Torch to the Enemy. The US
bomber crews could actually smell the burning flesh of their victims as they
flew at about ten thousand feet over Tokyo with the B-29 pressurization turned
off for safety.
Throughout much of the cold war, many of the same cowardly US generals from
WW2 were still in command, Curtis LeMay is the most notorious example. And
throughout this period, the strategy-- such as it was-- depended upon massive
nuclear annihilation--in other words, the end of all or almost all life on this
planet. We are lucky to have come through it alive--but the lunatics are still
out there and they are still in charge.
My own epiphany occurred in the Spring of 1978 when a Hungarian refugee, about
forty years old, described the cowardly bombing of Budapest by American
bombers. I had never even heard that Budapest had been bombed by
Americans--but, he insisted that it was. He noted that the Americans flew away
>from the military targets because those were all heavily defended with
antiaircraft guns; they bombed civilian areas instead. But what really
outraged him was that Hungarian gendarmes actually protected downed air crewmen
>from civilians on the ground afterwards. "Why should that have been
surprising," I said. He insisted that the appropriate way to handle these
Americans was to take them to the scene of their bombing , tie them to stakes
and burn them alive. I was shocked, but he looked me straight in the eyes--and
he meant it! Today, there is no doubt in my mind, that such reprisal horrors
would have been proper for many of the commanding officers, generals, air
marshalls such as the British Bomber Harris, President Truman and on and on.
The Chuckies of this world should have been forced to watch and then reflect.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Thu Jul 30 18:39:55 EDT 1998
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Dear Mr. Schultz,
It is nice to see that you have actually gotten yourself worked up enough to
let off some steam.
Regarding the Belzec bodies or remains, don't jump to any conclusions until
there is some real forensic work here.
If WW2 had been fought on American soil and then occupied by the Soviet Union,
there probably would have been mass graves here just like Belzec.
By the way, I do know there are cemeteries for goyim in Israel but they are
totally separate. For example, even goyim spouses of Jews must be disposed of
there rather than next to their Jewish kin--isn't that right or have the laws
changed since last I looked. Do tell.
Apparently, according to the recent stories about Belzec--there are about
fifteen thousand corpses, not just the remains from cremation or burning. We
don't know the condition of the corpses but sometimes the ground conditions and
soil acidity preserve corpses for thousands of years as we know from the corpse
found in the Tirolean Alps a few years ago.
I believe that with modern methods, the chances of discovering the true causes
of death even fifty years after death are quite good. If they were badly
burned, it is, of course, much more problematic--but one of the reasons
cremation was allowed in Germany in 1934 was that death by poisoning could
still be determined from the ash, and therefore, one of the earlier frequent
objections to cremation (because it might obliterate evidence of a crime) was
not entirely valid. You seem to be a chemist--perhaps you can go to Belzec and
do some tests.
Of course, death from CO may still be difficult or even impossible to
establish. But if one examines the corpses and sees bullet holes--then, death
>from CO or Diesel exhaust can be ruled out.
What you say about Diesel exhaust is ridiculous. In civilized countries, the
practice is that if you prosecute someone for murder, you have to describe the
murder weapon and how it was used in a plausible manner, with some expert
testimony. Where the weapon is unusual or bizarre as it certainly would be if
Diesels had actually been used for murder--since it certainly is not something
people know anything about, just read the nutty arguments from the Nizkorites--
the ethical burden on the prosecution to get expert testimony is all the
greater.
But there has never been any expert testimony at all about any of the Diesel
exhaust claims--even during the big shoah trial staged in Israel with Demjanjuk
as defendant. There was no expert testimony about Diesels for murder at all.
But this is typical for Holocaust hoax related cases. Even in a supposedly
definitive and widely praised book like: NS Massentoetungen durch Giftgas--not
one of the many coauthors had any technical background or expertise whatsoever.
What are you people afraid of? I think you know perfectly well that the
Holocaust is a hoax and that there were no gassings.
Just because someone disappeared according someone else's statement--that is
not good evidence for murder.
FPBerg
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Dear Mr. Phillips,
Please do try to get some basic facts straight. In the 1914-1918 war, already
in 1914, the great battle of Tannenberg took place on German territory.
The Allied leaders were short on precedents as well as on morality. Guernica
is specialized incident that I won't bother with her since it did not involve
the major contenders of WW2.
The bombing of Warsaw occurred because the surrounded Polish army chose to make
the city its last ditch of defense. The city was well within the range of
German artillery at the time and the Germans correctly believed that aerial
bombardment would be more accurate than artillery against military targets.
The same for Rotterdam--German troops were within the city and some units were
under heavy attack from Dutch forces. Only about twenty German twin engine
bombers participated in the actual bombing when, because of broken radio
communication, the bombers could not be recalled.
London was only bombed after numerous attempts to end the war with
Britain--Hitler's so-called Peace Offensive--had failed to stop the British
bombing of German cities. That bombing of German civilian targets began
already on May 10, 1940 with an attack on Freiburg and continued throughout the
summer months. Hitler acted with enormous restraint and refused to respond
with any attacks on British cities until late August. But throughout this
period the British continued to bomb German civilians--with the obvious purpose
of trying to provoke Hitler, and to convince the Americans, especially
Roosevelt, that Britain would not make peace with Hitler.
You are absolutely correct when you say the Luftwaffe was not designed for
anything like the Allied raids. The Germans had hardly any four-engine bombers
because Hitler, according to Galland, totally rejected the ideas of strategic
bombing as cowardly and immoral. To my knowledge no four engine bombers were
used by the Germans at all against Britain. Practically all, if not all, of
the German bombers were relatively high speed, precision, tactical bombers.
The US Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that the allied air war against
civilians was generally ineffective also. Technically, the Germans certainly
could have built four engine, long-range, heavy bombers--but they chose not to.
Did the German air war against allied targets justify Hamburg or Dresden? NO!!
Hitler had tried to avoid war as long as possible--but when the British
American economic and military trap was becoming to strong against Germany,
Hitler had no choice but to take drastic action--and that brought the attack on
Poland. Nonetheless, even on the first day of the war against Poland, Hitler
still offered to pull all German troops out of Poland, and pay reparations to
Poland for the German invasion--if Poland could be brought to the negotiating
table to settle the extraterritorial issues (such as freedom for Danzig and a
road through the corridor) that he had been trying for months to settle with
Poland. This is all spelled in --Adolf Hitler by John Toland, especially page
573, and in: Origins of the Second World War by AJP Taylor. Germany's war
against Poland was over in four weeks but the world war began with the
declarations of war by France and England against Germany--not the other way
around.
If things have a way of coming back to you, then this country is in for a real
Holocaust.
FPBerg
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Dear Danny-Boy Keren,
After all I have done to reeducate you, you still persist with your Diesel
nonsense. I am so disappointed that you should write:
>I beg to differ - he (meaning me--FPBerg) doesn't know anything about diesel
>engines either.
Do you still believe you have some technical references to support your views
that the Nazis would have ever committed mass murder with Diesel exhaust?
FPBerg
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From: dieselzykl@aol.com (Dieselzykl)
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Subject: Re: Diesel suicides anyone?
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Dear June,
Regarding the kind of statement which you gave as a reference, is there any
possibility at all that the person might have been lying.
I know it must be enormously difficult for a fine person like yourself to
believe, even for a moment, that anyone would lie under oath--but I have heard
that it does actually happen from time to time. The person who made the
statement you presented was: SS-Unterscharfuehrer Oberhauser. Obviously, it
is hard for you to believe that a Nazi and a member of the SS would lie as
well--but, then again, perhaps they could.
How about some corroborating evidence like German "wartime" documents for
gassing at this particular camp? Or better yet, some corpses with a forensic
patholigist's report as to the cause of death? Or a plan for the gas chamber
by German architects or engineers?. Or even better than that, how about an
actual chamber?
Practically all of the evidence presented is evidence generated after the war.
On close scrutiny, all of that evidence is either totally absurd or, at the
very least, hopelessly vague and thoroughly contradictory. Just what one would
expect from a hoax. The"evidence" such as it is, converges indeed. The
holocaust story is a monstrous hoax; no one was gassed by the Nazis.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Thu Jul 30 18:39:57 EDT 1998
Article: 195140 of alt.revisionism
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From: dieselzykl@aol.com (Dieselzykl)
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Subject: Re: Debunking the Holohoax: Prussian Blue
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Dear Readers,
The Prussian blue staining that one can clearly see at the two delousing
stations in Birkenau is overwhelming evidence against the Holocaust hoax. The
tricks used by the Krakau Forensic Institute to distort and subvert the true
evidence have been discussed in great detail by revisionists such as Rudolf in
their writings which can be seen at CODOH and elsewhere. In short, the Cracow
report is a sham.
For this newsgroup, let me just point out that the intense blue staining--
which is a brilliant and distinct Prussian blue--is not merely visible on the
interior walls of the delousing stations which surrounded the cyanide delousing
equipment--but on walls some distance removed from those chambers (such as in
rooms where the clothing seems to have been given a final airing).
But even more amazing than that--the intense Prussian blue staining is also
clearly visible on the exterior walls as well. Those exterior walls have been
exposed to weathering -- heat, cold, rain, snow and sunlight -- continuously
for more than fifty years; and yet, the intense Prussian blue staining is still
there and claearly visible to anyone who passes by.
By contrast, for the Leichenkeller of Kremas 2 and 3, the alleged
gaschambers,-- there is not the slightest visible trace of Prussian blue or any
other blue staining anywhere.
As to the relative amounts of cyanide needed to kill lice versus people, there
is much confusion. To kill lice in clothing, most of the cyanide is absorbed
by the clothing and only a small portion is actually left to kill lice. Lice
have a lower metabolism rate than humans and that may also slow the killing
process even with forced circulation of gases in a typical well designed
DEGESCH delousing chamber. But for the alleged killing process that was
supposed to have been used to murder Jews, there was no forced circulation at
all during the alleged killing process; in other words, no system in place to
blow the cyanide from the granules throughout the chamber--there was only
convection. Such an inept system would have required many times the cyanide
that a system with good, forced recirculation. Therefore, there is simply no
reason to believe that there would be any less Prussian blue staining in at
least some areas of the alleged homicidal gas chambers than was the case with
the delousing stations.
Furthermore, even when there is a lethal concentration of cyanide in a
well-designed gas chamber, death does not come quickly as has been proven again
and again in hundreds of cyanide gas executions in the United States. Death
still took normally, under ideal circumstances, from 10 to 13 minutes. In the
last gas chamber execution in the US the agony lasted 18 minutes because Mr.
Larsen in Raleigh, North Carolina chose to hold his breath to prolong the
agony. See my essay on http://www.CODOH.com about his execution.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Thu Jul 30 18:39:57 EDT 1998
Article: 195158 of alt.revisionism
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From: dieselzykl@aol.com (Dieselzykl)
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Subject: Re: For F Berg (was: Diesel suicides anyone?)
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Dear Readers,
Obviously, no one has any information about Diesel suicides which is what I
predicted weeks ago when I challenged Ernest Holman to put or shutup. He
claimed then that it would be just a matter of days before he would be able to
cite newspaper stories about Finnish yuppies using their Mercedes diesels to
end it all-- but, he has remained silent since then--and so have all the other
cuckoos who rallied to his support.
The claim that Diesels were used to murder approximately 2 of the 6 million
Holocaust Jews is rubbish. Murder with Diesel exhaust is just as absurd as
suicide with Diesel exhaust. Even accidental deaths from Diesels are almost
unheard of. Although one can speculate about ways in which Diesel suicide or
murder might be arranged--in reality, it never happens. It is too absurd
technically. And that, blows one-third of the Holocaust hoax to the garbage
heap where it belongs.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Fri Jul 31 15:54:01 EDT 1998
Article: 195490 of alt.revisionism
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From: dieselzykl@aol.com (Dieselzykl)
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Subject: Re: I want physical proof
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Dear Readers,
I will only reply here to one item from Schutlz and one from Keren.
The forged document--a forged ID card-- of which I wrote in the Demjanjuk case
in Israel had initially been used to "convict" Demjanjuk and caused the three
judge court to initally sentence Demjanjuk to hang. In their lengthy verdict
they explained that it was this card that they considered far more important
than all of the testimony of the four eyewitnesses. Later, the court reversed
itself and acquitted Demjanjuk-- and, today he is back in the US with his US
citizenship restored. I do not know whether the Israeli court ever admitted
that the card was a forgery but that had become clear enoughto numerous experts
>from around the world--some of whom had testified in the court. Their outrage
and the fact that the Soviets had already executed someone for being Ivan the
Terrible, led to the courts acquittal.
Dan Keren cites a letter from Jaehrling to Kammler regarding the capacity of
the Auschwitz-Birkenau crematory ovens. What he cites, however, is not an
"original" document at all but merely a "transcription" or "typed copy." The
piece of paper is actually shown on a Nizkor link and there one can clearly see
the word on the top of the page: "ABSCHRIFT" --which means transcription.
On the bottom of the page is a sworn statement with signature by someone
swearing that it is an accurate copy. If there ever was an "original" signed
by Jaehrling, where is it? The simple fact is that there is no such original
available today.
But for idiots like Dan Keren, such pseudo-evidence-- what I call
"manufactured" evidence-- is more than sufficient proof for their Holocaust
hoax.
Keren tells outright lies whenever he writes about Diesels. As to cyanide
traces in the walls of the alleged gas chambers--see the groundbreaking
analysis by Germar Rudolf, a Dipl. Chemiker formerly with the Max Planck
Institute--on the CODOH website and through links to VHO.
FPBerg
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From dieselzykl@aol.com Sat Aug 1 06:25:41 EDT 1998
Article: 195615 of alt.revisionism
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Dear Mr. Richard Schultz,
There are many bad documents in connection with the Holocaust hoax. One
example which should be well known to you, since you are in Israel, is the
forged ID card that was used as a major piece of evidence in the Demjanjuk case
in Israel. That forged document was considered by the Israeli court to be far
more important even than the so-called eyewitness testimony of four Treblinka
survivors. Demjanjuk supposedly ran the Diesel engine that supposedly killed
800,000 Jews.
But more to your point about what "historians" have generally relied upon is
the infamous letter from Becker to Rauff which is part of the Nuremberg file
PS-501. This is the only alleged German wartime document which discusses
gassing-- and so it is enormously important. But, but, but--when one takes
the trouble to investigate, one finds---there is simply no true "original"
document here; there is merely, at best, a carbon copy--but dressed up to look
like an original. It was made to appear as if it was received in Berlin by
Rauff and Pradel and marked in the same way. Rauff was "persuaded" after the
war to certify its authenticity. Interestingly, that document would have
normally been sufficient to make Rauff a culpable party to massmurder and a
major war ciminal on a par with Eichmann--but he was let go instead and never
prosecuted. There are also at least three significantly different versions of
the text that are given out by the US National Archives as either
transcriptions or translations--(very shoddy work from the Archives, if you
read this).
For many other reasons, which I can not attempt to give here, this carbon is
most likely a Soviet forgery dressed up with the help of western allied
prosecutors and staff. For a more thorough discussion, see Ingrid Weckert's
essay in Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte. My own work on the German Holzgas or
producer gas technology, particularly Saurer vehicles, also helps to explain
this forged document. Exactly when and how and who exactly did the forgery
will take far more resources than the desperately poor revisionist community
can bring to bear for now.
FPBerg
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