It's about time. Xbox One fans should be happy, and although I won't be getting the console, the competition is good - and because of Sony's proposition, Xbox One is now in a better place than it's ever been.

there was always used games on the console it just changed how the used games worked also MS never announced their indie policy for the xbox one so can't really chalk that up as a win for sony... the other 3 yeah sure but wouldn't say they're all down to sony especially the kinect one

If they didn't announce it that means they were using their previous one from the X360 as nothing new was announced at the time until recently you can see this by the fact games like warframe and some other indies are launching first on PS4.

True it probably wasn't all Sony seeing as the whole industry was supporting indies expect from MS at the time.

@kayant i do believe they said that they were going to explain their indie policy at gamescom but someone leaked it first and they had to come out and give a half assed explanation which they further clarified at gamescom

Sure hope you are on Sony's payroll since you ate working so hard for them. Shouldn't assume that Xbox one is on a better place because of Sony, but because people for once were voting with their wallets, which caused them to return to policies of the past.... policies that have been in place way before Sony even had a consumer video game console.

I would assume a date on at least the same week as the PS4 release, or else they would be pretty much dooming themselves to lose quite a few sales to the PS4 due to some people just wanting the first console released. It happened last gen, PS3 got delayed so all the people who really wanted one just went and bought 360s because they couldn't wait.

Might be stupid, but does it really matter if they beat PS4 to market. I mean wouldnt most of the consoles released for launch alreay be preordered by people. That goes for the PS4 as well. Would there still be consoles floating around that are not preorders?

The way I see it is Microsoft has no choice but to release the X1 on nov 5 alongside call of duty,there so far behind in sales and hype there almost forced to come out early.i woundnt even be surprised if they release in September.