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because of high taxes california poverty is exploding.Soon Cali will have the highest rate of poverty in the nation.Liberal wackos are ruining the state with redistribution of wealth ideaology.

The main reason why poverty is so high is that the economy is in this insane churn with people moving in and out of the area. Most of the poor are immigrants, because they are at a disadvantage due to language and acculturation.

The big problem is that we're having a big negative bounce effect from lousy education and acculturation in the 80s and beyond, so there are a lot of kids of immigrants who haven't done very well. All those tax cuts and tax freezes enervated the schools, and produced a generation of disaffected social (and school) dropouts. It's going to be a task to get the next generation of kids into shape.

Conservatives like to say that the answer to poverty is jobs, but they're only half right. It's not just jobs you need; you need negotiating leverage to raise your wages. If you have no leverage, you'll remain a slave. The main way that people get leverage is by having skills, education, and savvy. It's our job, as a society, to provide help people acquire these things, even if they are immigrants.

The poverty today is largely a result of 30 years of low taxes and undereducation.

Texas an alleged conservative state has double the property tax that CA has.

Also if you pay enough to a good cpa they can always lower your taxes in a legal way!

And no state income tax. And do you know what 250K gets you in TX? Trust me, I'll take that trade EVERY TIME.

Yeah, I live in NH now where my taxes run roughly the same as what they were in CA (less, actually). My house is larger, my lot is nearly an acre and a half (versus my old 45X65 lot), and the roads, schools, fire, and police are a lot better here than they ever were in CA.

And no state income tax. And do you know what 250K gets you in TX? Trust me, I'll take that trade EVERY TIME.

Yeah, I live in NH now where my taxes run roughly the same as what they were in CA (less, actually). My house is larger, my lot is nearly an acre and a half (versus my old 45X65 lot), and the roads, schools, fire, and police are a lot better here than they ever were in CA.

It might help that you don't have illegal immigrants there eating up your tax dollars.

It might help that you don't have illegal immigrants there eating up your tax dollars.

No, but we have a lot of Mass. people streaming across the border, demanding the same services as when they left their little socialist paradise, brining their crime problems, etc., with them.

A few months ago in Manchester a cop was murdered by a thug from (surprise!) Boston area. They caught him at grandma's house, brought him up here, and the DA is going for the death penalty. Now when you consider that 1--NH hasn't executed anyone in 30 years, 2--there is NOBODY currently on death row, that's so pretty serious stuff.

Property taxes here are high, yes--I'm paying about 1.9% (versus 1.13% when I lived in OC). It's also a pain that I get reassessed every five years (no Prop 13 here) and the local towns determine tax rates which can fluctuate widely. But no state income or sales tax? Goody!

Yeah, there isn't an illegal problem--YET. But if the tards in Concord make it easier to get public assistance, we're just gonna turn into Mass-lite. It's that "free state" mentality which discourages illegals for the time being.

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Conservatives like to say that the answer to poverty is jobs, but they're only half right. It's not just jobs you need; you need negotiating leverage to raise your wages. If you have no leverage, you'll remain a slave. The main way that people get leverage is by having skills, education, and savvy. It's our job, as a society, to provide help people acquire these things, even if they are immigrants.

The poverty today is largely a result of 30 years of low taxes and undereducation.

You might want to elaborate that statement because as it is, its incorrect. Taxes in general are rising, @ least here in Cali and we're spending more than we've ever have on education. So we, the citizens, are paying more in taxes, hardly a conservative goal, and more money is going to education. End result in LAUSD is a dropout rate of near 50%.

Maybe it could be the devaluation of numerous blue collar jobs which are driving what was the middle class into borderline poverty status. If you have 10 people that'll do your job for less than what you've gotten paid for the past 10 yrs, you have no leverage no matter what education you have. What does our United States "society" owe to this overeducated and contributing citizen over the lawbreakers (albeit laws not enforced) who are undercutting him/her?

California's serious problem is that, even though Californians pay insane amounts of tax revenue, the state of California gets almost nothing by comparison. For every dollar Californians pay in taxes, $0.79 of that goes to the federal government and not California. The state is being bled dry by the feds.

texas property tax is rougly 3% of the value! Yes the average house there is a quarter of the price it is in L.A. but property taxes are double.

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