Watch Joaquin Phoenix Drowning In Protest Against Eating Fishhttp://www.businessinsider.com/petas-latest-go-vegan-ad-shows-joaquin-phoenix-drowning-2013-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:14:27 -0400Christina Austinhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/513917cc6bb3f74c5500000bLizThu, 07 Mar 2013 17:42:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/513917cc6bb3f74c5500000b
Fish = brain food
Joaquin Phoenix does not eat fish
Joaquin Phoenix is brain dead.
But watching him flounder about like a stupid guppie is fun to watch! LOL. Please excuse me now while I finish my all-American beef hamburger!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/513159d4eab8ea0018000030RegFri, 01 Mar 2013 20:45:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/513159d4eab8ea0018000030
Google 'Ike jime'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5123d5b3eab8eac440000012Mike Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:42:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5123d5b3eab8eac440000012
There is one big problem I have with PETA. Why does PETA euthanize more dogs and cats than any other "animal's rights" groups? It's just another non-profit organized by the out of touch rich with a very skewed policy that is actually the antithesis of having care for other living creatures!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5122a771ecad04e763000010Sal ManilaMon, 18 Feb 2013 17:13:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5122a771ecad04e763000010
Even if Joaquin saves the fish from mankind, it's won't meet its end painlessly on a morphine drip. The next fish that comes along and eats it won't have any moral qualms.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51225027ecad043741000003PJ LondonMon, 18 Feb 2013 11:00:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51225027ecad043741000003
Essential Amino Acids
"Although proteins from plant sources tend to have a relatively low biological value, in comparison to protein from eggs or milk, they are nevertheless "complete" in that they contain at least trace amounts of all of the amino acids that are essential in human nutrition.Eating various plant foods in combination can provide a protein of higher biological value. Certain native combinations of foods, such as corn and beans, soybeans and rice, or red beans and rice, contain the essential amino acids necessary for humans in adequate amounts"
I stopped eating Meat 30 years ago Fish 28 years ago and Eggs 27 years ago, I played very competitive (field) hockey until I was 55. (now 67).
I stopped eating meats and felt better, so expanded to fish and eggs. I eat (Goats) cheese, and that is about as much interest as I have in my food.
Any time you want to do a 20 mile hike with a 45 lb pack, call me and I will join you, (Pse send airfare).
90% of this nutrition/diet/health food crap is about selling books and products.
You can talk and theorise as much as you like, I am doing just fine.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512231406bb3f7406e000015FooMon, 18 Feb 2013 08:48:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512231406bb3f7406e000015
I am all for animal welfare, but sugar is the worse poison there is. It doesn't exist in nature unless it is packed with fiber.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f9fb56bb3f7d316000018Hunter-GathererSat, 16 Feb 2013 10:03:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f9fb56bb3f7d316000018
Melissa, a well-thought-out vegan or vegetarian diet isn't necessarily unhealthy, and I'm even willing to concede that a plant-based diet could even be healthy if done right. But why would you exclude an entire food group, namely animal products, if our body is clearly able to fully process them? It's not just that we have canine teeth, or plenty of hydrochloric acid in our stomach to digest meat, but also the fact that we have weak teeth that would quickly rot if we ate lots of fruit on a daily basis, and the fact that we have heme iron receptors in our intestine. Furthermore, it's not just the way our bodies turned out to be evolutionary, there's a ton of paleontological and archaeological evidence too, which shows that humans, and our closest evolutionary ancestors, ate meat for thousands of years. That's where the word 'hunter-gatherer' mainly came from. Moreover, nutrients like zinc, iron, calcium, iodine, preformed vitamin A, vitamin B12, vitamin D, vitamer K2, choline, taurine, carnitine, carnosine, creatine and the omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA are all difficult, and in some cases impossible, to get from a plant-based diet in sufficient amounts. Sure, some of these nutrients, like taurine, aren't strictly speaking essential, but they have proven health benefits and a vegetarian or vegan would exclude these nutrients almost entirely from their diet with unknown future health consequences. So to say that animal products are inherently unhealthy, or not natural to eat, is just false and a distortion of the truth. Numerous well-designed studies show that eating unprocessed animal products isn't unhealthy at all, and several studies show that a paleolithic diet beats the widely praised (mostly) plant-based Mediterranean diet out of the water from a health perspective. The main problem with many of the meat studies that vegetarians and vegans often cite to discredit consumption of animal products, is that the researchers of those studies often compare highly processed animal products, like hot dogs, with unprocessed (organic) fruits and vegetables. It's true that in such a scenario, the plant-based diet often wins, but the comparison just isn't honest. A honest comparison is between an omnivore diet with plenty of unprocessed animal products, like grass fed beef, and a vegan diet with unprocessed plant-based food only. And guess what, in studies that have done so, the diet that includes animal products nearly always comes out on top! Lower blood pressure, less C-reactive protein, a better cholesterol profile and higher insulin sensitivity. The diets that include meat are also much more satiating, because they include more protein, which makes it easier to lose weight. Because protein from a plant-based diet is also poorly utilized, meat eaters are also stronger and it isn't without reason that vegan athletes are rare. It's just very hard for them to compete, and if they do, they certainly supplement with protein powder.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f13516bb3f7160a000029Melissa BalickSat, 16 Feb 2013 00:04:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f13516bb3f7160a000029
Charlie, plants do not have a nervous system and do not feel pain. Fish and other animals, however, do.
Sometimes I jokingly call myself a vegan vampire, because I just LOVE to eat food that's still living! Plants are great -- you eat things that are alive and it gives you all these nutrients that keep you alive! But animal meat is just the corpse of something once living. It's dead, and it's very low in nutrients per calorie. I'd rather eat living things. Plus, fruit, for instance, is delicious because it wants animals like us to eat them and spread their seeds! Kinda cool.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f10f36bb3f76903000023Melissa BalickFri, 15 Feb 2013 23:54:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511f10f36bb3f76903000023
Hi there! I wanted to respond to a few things you wrote.
First, chimps do not kill bush babies whenever they get a chance. In fact, when chimpanzees were first observed hunting bush babies, it was early in 2007, and it made something of a media splash. No doubt, when food is scarce and what is available changes, animals like chimps and humans will eat what is available. But chimpanzees are mostly vegetarian. They eat insects some, but meat is not a staple of a chimp diet.
Second, the teeth we call "canine" teeth are tiny itty bitty when you compare them to an actual carnivore's canines. Even your cat has better canines than you do! Also, unlike a cat, we don't see bloody things and smell the blood and go, "Yum!" We can't smell prey, or want to lick the blood after the kill. For us to eat and enjoy animal meat, it needs to be cooked and disguised by plant tastes (spices, etc). Our teeth much closer resemble herbivore teeth. But, it's true, we're neither. We're omnivores, meaning that we have the ability to eat both plant foods and animal secretions/meat. Just because you can, though, doesn't mean you should.
B12 does not come from animals. It also does not come from plants. It's actually created though bacterial fermentation. But it does kind of come from animals, in that it is made in animal digestive tracks, and later they eat some of their own excrement (that's how many animals get their needed B12). Most animals raised for slaughter these days simply are given B12 supplements in their feed, however. Fish have B12 because they eat algae, or eat fish that eat algae, or plants that have algae on them. That's wild fish I'm talking about (which are quickly going extinct), as opposed to farm-raised fish, which, again, are supplemented with algae in their feed. It's not a very big deal for us to simply take supplements instead, especially when eating plants instead of animals has such profound health benefits. Flax seeds or flax seed oil and walnuts are terrific and high in omega 3's, and it really doesn't make any observable difference by any scientific study if the omega 3's are EPA or DHA.
If you eat a lot of leafy greens, lots of vegetables (some cooked, some raw), fruit, grains, seeds, and nuts, you will be eating a lot of nutrient-dense foods with fewer calories. It's very healthy, and it helps people reverse their type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and high blood pressure. I know people who have been vegan for 30+ years and they're the healthiest and most energetic people I know, plus they look half their age. I know that's just anecdotal, but I think it rings true for people. Folks seem to understand automatically that it's healthier to eat fresh living vegetables than animal's bodies.
Thanks for reading and have a nice day. :-)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ee316ecad04944400000esweetdougFri, 15 Feb 2013 20:38:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ee316ecad04944400000e
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Oh su-uu-re!
You guys go ahead and use all that there fancy stuff, like science and stuff and chemistry to try to make a point.
Huh! You're not foolin' anyone!
What does that prove!
Yeah! I know I am but what are you!
You're just a bunch of meat-eatin' apes!
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Fact: It was meat and the ability to harness fire for cooking the meat that allowed us to grow unusually large brains.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ecbf26bb3f74b06000028RINGMASTRFri, 15 Feb 2013 18:59:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ecbf26bb3f74b06000028
Vegetables feel pain toohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ecaf16bb3f7c60a000001RINGMASTRFri, 15 Feb 2013 18:55:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ecaf16bb3f7c60a000001
ridiculoushttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ec90feab8ea9d4400000cpsy666Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:47:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ec90feab8ea9d4400000c
i was vegan for two years. I went from 180 to 155 kept up on all my vitamens ate all the time and large portions too, stayed at 155 for almost a year. Then moved to a high elevation (4000 ft) and started getting light headed and even almost faint at times before i started eating meat again. now i am back at a healthy 175lbs, 6'1''.
The problem with being vegan is that you have to eat constantly and need to make sure you are getting enough iron. both of which are hard to do when a ogranic/vegan diet is rediculously expensive if you want it to be healthy and too time consuming. Sure if you are fucking celebrity making millions , have a personal chefs and dont work a real 9-5 job then go for. There are certain benifits, like more energy and staying regular but the normal person just cant do vegan easily and healthy at the same time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ec59569bedd9321000024ScienceFri, 15 Feb 2013 18:32:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ec59569bedd9321000024
You clearly have no understanding of basic biology or physiology. NO, the human body DOES NOT make all of the amino acids we need. There is an entire class of amino acids called ESSENTIAL amino acids that MUST BE CONSUMED because we do not possess the enzymes required to synthesize it ourselves.
Length of a GI tract does not matter, and quite frankly will change with evolution. Structure, function and utility of the GI tract is determined by what is readily available to eat, and how it evolves over time eating those available goods. We evolved eating meat and veggies, therefore, our GI tract adapted. Ever hear of your appendix? The little piece of the GI tract that USED to be responsible for digesting grass? Would you look at that - it no longer has any function in the modern day human.
What do you think primitive man did to get food? There were defined roles like "hunter" and "gatherer" even at the dawn of man. And hunters were quite capable of chasing down whatever animal they encountered and turned it into food without hesitance. Just because modern man (who spends 23 hours a day on a computer and has all the comforts of technology) is grossed out by the site of blood, doesn't mean that we're not meant to eat meat. If I needed to hunt and kill an animal to stay alive, my "disgust" at blood and the smell of flesh would quickly disappear.
And the fact that you believe our only source of energy is sugar/carbohydrates just says it all. If that were indeed the case, cookies/brownies/ice cream would be nutritional supplements. Go ahead and try not getting adequate amounts of protein and fat for an extended period of time. I can guarantee you that you won't be standing in about a week.
No, animal cruelty is not needed - but eating meat is. Supplements only go so far, and the economic and environmental footprint of supplements and having certified vegan/vegetarian/etc.. food products is far more than regular meat.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511eb53aeab8ea2119000007Human OmnivoreFri, 15 Feb 2013 17:22:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511eb53aeab8ea2119000007
"Only a small portion of chimpanzees diet is from meat."
Only because animals, unlike plants, move and are often difficult to catch. Given the choice between a meat platter and a fruit platter, chimps choose the meat platter everytime. But even leaving that aside, you didn't include meat in the primate diet, which is a severe distortion of the truth. Primates clearly do eat meat and that was the main point.
"The majority of animals eat plants, and have NO deficiencies"
Even if true (and it isn't, animals die of starvation all the time, the severest form of nutrient deficiency), you can't just compare animals, let alone entire groups of animals, with humans. We have our own DNA and our own specific needs. For example, humans need vitamin B12, which we get in nature only from animal sources. And as said previously, omega-3, zinc, iron, calcium, vitamin A and vitamin K2 are very difficult to get exclusively from plant sources too.
"Omnivores? We DON'T have canine teeth, but flat grinding teeth."
False and once again a complete denial of science. We do have canine teeth, but at the same time, we have molars too. We're neither herbivores, nor carnivores, we're omnivores.
"We don't have the uric acid splitting enzyme, uricase, ergo arthritis, gout, shingles, etc. Read about it, plus cancers and heart disease."
I'm not sure why you believe this strengthens your case about a plant-based diet being optimal. If you're worried about gout, eat diary products, they decrease the risk of getting it. And stop consuming so many fruits. Excess fructose intake is a known gout risk factor.
"Our digestive tracts are way too long, carnivores are very short."
That's why humans aren't carnivores. But we aren't herbivores either, we're omnivores. Have you ever seen the digestive tract of a herbivore, like a cow? Ours doesn't even come close! We're exactly in between herbivores and carnivores. Tract is neither long nor short.
"Our stomach acids are MUCH weaker than carnivores."
Maybe so, but again, I never said that humans are carnivores. I said that humans are omnivores and that's not just what I'm saying, it's what the scientific community is saying as well. Unlike herbivores, we have plenty of hydrochloric acid in our stomach to digest meat. Herbivores simply do not have enough HCI to properly digest meat and we do.
"Our major dietary need is sugar; that's our fuel."
Again blatantly false. Besides sugar, or better said carbohydrates, we need fats and proteins too. Arguably, water and air are macronutrients too, but for arguments sake, lets leave those aside. But to say that the human body could run on carbohydrates alone, is a complete denial of all food and nutrition science to date. Frankly, I suggest you change your diet immediately. Stop following your restrictive pseudo-science diet. If not, you're slowly going to kill yourself.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511eaa2d69bedd505e00000dMCallawayFri, 15 Feb 2013 16:35:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511eaa2d69bedd505e00000d
Feed the Peta crowd to the fishes. Just like Luca Brasihttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ea136eab8eac26700001fBob CFri, 15 Feb 2013 15:57:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511ea136eab8eac26700001f
Sharks will eat aluminum cans.
Dogs will drink antifreeze.
Some people eat ants, snails, or even other people.
Does not mean they should.
You're eating fish protein. It's NOT human protein.
Our bodies M A K E ALL of our proteins - 50,000 + varieties.
We recycle and re-use about 2/3 of it.
And it's made from the 22 or so amino acids, which ALL
go back to plant life. Breaking down foreign proteins into amino
acids is a roundabout, and toxic way to do it. Digesting fish
or animals requires enormous nerve energies. That's why
the heaviest day of sickness is the day after Thanksgiving.
Fruit, is already to use, takes no energy, and has no bad side effects
You may not like the "manifesto." Blame nature.
But believing you get protein from animals or fish shows ignorance.
No offense intended, as I used to believe it. Now, nearing 70,
I have no illness, ailments, flu, colds, headaches, or "medications"
because I cut WAAAAY back on eating critters and cooked foods.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e9b0e69beddf53500000dyertoFri, 15 Feb 2013 15:31:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e9b0e69beddf53500000d
watch again with zoolander water is essence of man commercial in mind and try not to laugh. what a clownhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e978cecad044f36000013UmmmFri, 15 Feb 2013 15:16:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e978cecad044f36000013
Ummm...sushi. Raw. Protein. I catch the tuna. I kill the tuna. I slice the tuna into wonderful tasty bits. I am not disgusted by the act or the sight or the smell or the taste. The tuna I eat eats other fish who, in turn, eat other fish. Just one little ding in your manifesto, eh?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e8a14ecad04461e00000aBob CFri, 15 Feb 2013 14:18:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e8a14ecad04461e00000a
Only a small portion of chimpanzees diet is from meat.
The majority of animals eat plants, and have NO deficiencies.
Vitamin B12 is called the dirt vitamin - no flesh needed.
Omnivores? We DON'T have canine teeth, but flat grinding teeth.
Wolves jaws go in 2 directions for cutting - ours in 6 - for chewing.
Dogs don't chew their food, they gulp it down. We'd choke on it.
We don't have the uric acid splitting enzyme, uricase, ergo arthritis,
gout, shingles, etc. Read about it, plus cancers and heart disease.
Our digestive tracts are way too long, carnivores are very short.
Our stomach acids are MUCH weaker than carnivores.
Our stomachs are shaped differently.
And there are 20 other differences.
We don't have the speed, agility, fangs, claws, or instincts to
hunt down, kill, tear open, and eat animals. The idea disgusts us.
We have our killing done behind closed doors. The smell of dead
flesh repulses us, so we cook and chemicalize the flesh to make it
palatable. Instinctive, is it? Nature didn't provide us with stoves....
Our major dietary need is sugar; that's our fuel. Animals don't have
much. That's why we crave desserts after a meal... for sugar.
We MAKE and recycle our protein (amino acid pool) - and a two
year supply of vitamins will fit in a thimble.
Not one animal we eat for protein ever eats any protein.
They have no deficiencies, and no chronic disease.
We have over 20,000 and counting, plus mental illnesses.
The meat and medical industries are huge.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e84376bb3f7e201000012Charlie M.Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:53:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e84376bb3f7e201000012
Just to add. I am a big fan of Joaquin's acting.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e83fc6bb3f70c04000003Charlie M.Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:52:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e83fc6bb3f70c04000003
How long before these fools start fighting for plant and insect rights? Why is consuming meat any more wrong than consuming a living plant? Fish feel pain on a level closer to plants than to humans.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e83dfecad043a13000013Hale BoppFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:52:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e83dfecad043a13000013
Make them watch Joaquin Phoenix try to act.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e82dc6bb3f7e30100000dEcological ImpactFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:47:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e82dc6bb3f7e30100000d
I forgot to mention that the ecological impact of a vegetarian or vegan is bigger than a moderate meat eater too. Check this study:
<a href="http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Oct07/diets.ag.footprint.sl.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Oct07/diets.ag.footprint.sl.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e822469bedd2f7500000bdo it for GaiaFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:44:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e822469bedd2f7500000b
Joaquin Phoenix should stop eating fish, meat and vegetables.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e81dcecad041f11000004OmnivoresFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:43:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e81dcecad041f11000004
Yes, we're primates. And primates eat meat. Chimps kill bush babies whenever they have the chance. They rip them apart and eat their flesh. You can deny reality all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that humans are cleary omnivores. We have canine teeth and hydrochloric acid in our stomach. We also need vitamin B12, which in nature we only get from animal sources. And the essential omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA are found in significant quantities only in fish. It's also very difficult to get enough vitamin A, vitamin K2, zinc, calcium and iron from plant sources alone. Protein from plant sources is also very poorly utilized and meat eaters are stronger.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7f72ecad04670c00000dget the GaffFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:33:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7f72ecad04670c00000d
they should have shown someone clubbing him with a "fish dispatcher" on the back of his head.. or putting a knife into his vitals to quickly bleed and kill him. that would be more entertaining. and his meat would taste much better.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7e006bb3f7a073000015asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:27:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7e006bb3f7a073000015
Phoenix has a point. And I don't see how this is any more controversial than watching people get shot on regular prime time tv? ABC is a bunch of cowards.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7d81ecad041608000010Bob CFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:25:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e7d81ecad041608000010
He's right, aside from moral reasons.
We're Primates. Our natural diet of raw fruit, vegetables,
nuts and seeds provides everything we need, with little
ecological impact & no killing. The protein myth is a big money-
making lie. We assemble our 50,000+ proteins from the amino acids
found in plants - just as EVERY animal does. Killing animals kills us!
We are not DESIGNED to eat living creatures. Genesis 2: 29,30http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e79e86bb3f7cc6c00000bdepressionFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:09:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e79e86bb3f7cc6c00000b
interesting ...........
i wonder if there was a more humane way to kill fish rather than letting them suffocate in the air ... just a thought .http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e79e3ecad04087e00000aMeat 'n' PotatoesFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:09:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e79e3ecad04087e00000a
What a bunch of retards.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e798169beddad63000023JonFri, 15 Feb 2013 13:08:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/511e798169beddad63000023
Um, it's not drowning if you don't die