Posted by colonels19 on 11/15/2012 12:13:00 PM (view original):How/why is baserunning looked at separately...it's offense, include it...moreover, it's 2 categories SB and CS...you can say what you want about GIDP, but that's an uncontrollable circumstance. Secondly, when the hell as anyone ever won an MVP in the MLB based on defense? That's what Gold Gloves are for...box 'em up...

And offense is what silver sluggers are for.

The position you play, and how well you play it, is very important. When Pedroia won was he the best offensive player in the league? He wasn't the best on his own team. Pudge, Tejada, Larkin, etc....there are so many examples.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/15/2012 1:29:00 PM (view original):Trout was unanimous ROY. He was listed first on all 28 ballots.

That was stupid - my fault. There are "Internet Baseball Awards" and he was not listed on 10 MVP ballots there. Cabrera was not on 11. But there were 650+ votes and these are internet awards so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when stuff like that happens there.

No, like I said, with my BPI number which is a complex, centralized offensive number that includes baserunning (SB-CS), Cabrera wins over Trout, it's unbiased and defense doesn't matter...so based on my numbers Cabrera wins, and I hate the Tigers.

Posted by colonels19 on 11/15/2012 4:38:00 PM (view original):No, like I said, with my BPI number which is a complex, centralized offensive number that includes baserunning (SB-CS), Cabrera wins over Trout, it's unbiased and defense doesn't matter...so based on my numbers Cabrera wins, and I hate the Tigers.

You can argue Cabrera is better offensively. I'd probably agree with you. But defense matters.