Another thing to think about is resale down the road. A 2012 with be worth more than the 2011 say in 3 or 5 years. Saving another $1k from incentives will never make up for the one year more in deprecation. I would jump on a 2011 today since I'm loosing my mind waiting for my 2012 to finally be built but I also like to think long term. I will get a new vehicle in 3-5 years and losing say 3-4k more in value won't make me feel any better about me jumping on a 2011 today when I could easily wait a few more week for my 2012.

Plus, as you know they work out bugs with any new car and having the 2nd year of a model help in my opinion.

Another thing to think about is resale down the road. A 2012 with be worth more than the 2011 say in 3 or 5 years. Saving another $1k from incentives will never make up for the one year more in deprecation. I would jump on a 2011 today since I'm loosing my mind waiting for my 2012 to finally be built but I also like to think long term. I will get a new vehicle in 3-5 years and losing say 3-4k more in value won't make me feel any better about me jumping on a 2011 today when I could easily wait a few more week for my 2012.

Plus, as you know they work out bugs with any new car and having the 2nd year of a model help in my opinion.

Others might disagree with me on this but thats how I look at it.

That's not necessarily true. Look at this thread I started and specifically look at my post 6 which gives an example. While it is true that the 2012 will be worth a little more in resale 3-5 years from now as you say, you have to look at the price differences and the rebates which are sure to increase after 6 Sept when the current ones expire and the 2012s are officially launched and advertised by Jeep. You'll see that the current price differences will exceed the resale difference. If you're financing, that will likely widen the gap and you could also get really detailed and look at the time value of money saved now and how much you'd make in 3-5 years which just widens the gap yet again. If you're thinking long term, 2011 is really the way to go when you look at the numbers.

I agree the incentives would have to jump to at least $2,500 and also get at least 1.9% over 60 months to make sense. But, I don't plan to wait till 9/9/11 to see. I plan to close this month. I'm already getting $1,100 under invoice. I also have 1.9% financing for 60 months through a local CU. I guess for me it makes sense. Besides my past experience with 1st year models has been pretty bad. I would rather not experience these issues again.

I agree the incentives would have to jump to at least $2,500 and also get at least 1.9% over 60 months to make sense. But, I don't plan to wait till 9/9/11 to see. I plan to close this month. I'm already getting $1,100 under invoice. I also have 1.9% financing for 60 months through a local CU. I guess for me it makes sense. Besides my past experience with 1st year models has been pretty bad. I would rather not experience these issues again.

I hear you. Everyone has to make their own decision I'm just providing information. I'm not in a hurry so I'm curious to see what happens after 6 September. I know right now I can get about $2500 below invoice with USAA and that doesn't take into account the cost savings over a 2012. One of my toughest things is going to be finding what I want in a 2011 (Mineral Grey/Light Frost Beige--insanely tough combo but can't get wife to OK Saddle and Black is a no go here in Texas for me...done that before..not again, Overland, 4X4, V8, RHR, and ideally ORAG II although if I found one equipped the way I wanted without ORAG II, I could do the plates and hooks afterwards since I'd have to work a trade with the dealer on the 20''wheels/tires because I don't want the 18s with the ORAG II).

I was looking at TSB 18-035-11, and it says it applies to vehicles built before April 4th. I assume that means vehicles built after have this TSB incorporated? So Jeeps on the lot could already have the "6 speed" transmission.

I was looking at TSB 18-035-11, and it says it applies to vehicles built before April 4th. I assume that means vehicles built after have this TSB incorporated? So Jeeps on the lot could already have the "6 speed" transmission.

Yes that is the understanding. Late build 2011s or those built that have had the TSB done should have the same programming as was done on the 2012 "6spd" since the ratios are the same as posted earlier in the thread.

What it means is that if you purchased a 2011 V8 with the 5spd, your fuel economy is the newly rated 13/20 after the TSB vs. 13/19 which is on the sticker. The 13/20 is the new rating for the 2012 Hemi with the "6spd".

How is that possible though? The final drive ratio is the exact same either way.

I am set to take delivery sometime on tuesday or wednesday depending on schedule, and will report then. There are a couple 2012 Overlands set for delivery this week according to the tracking thread so hold on tight...

I am set to take delivery sometime on tuesday or wednesday depending on schedule, and will report then. There are a couple 2012 Overlands set for delivery this week according to the tracking thread so hold on tight...

Looking forward to your report.
I'm really hoping you see all 6 gears displayed in EVIC otherwise it's a big let down for Chrysler.