madtheory wrote:Yes FM layered with analogue is the sound of a lot of classic records.

gcoudert wrote:

philip wrote:They do sound a bit different

Just to clarify what "a bit" is, it's because of a slight difference in the way the filter is set up. It's nothing that cannot easily be replicated with a little eq. I guess some people don't programme even their Junos

I have to totally agree. The two Juno’s might be marginally different but they are not different enough. If you’re looking for an additional synth to expand on your sonic palette then the DX7 would be a far more sensible option. I have a Juno-6 and a DX7IID and it would seem ludicrous to me spend more money on another synth to get practically the same sound!!!

The most fundamental practical difference between a Juno and an FM synth is not so much the sound. A DX7 can produce a sawtooth, a blockwave, a sine, and thousands of other sounds. At least with FM8 I can also do the PWM thing, the white noises, and all the other stuff. The main difference is the way you program them. A Juno has, what, less than 25 parameters for sound alone (not counting arpeggiators and other global stuff like transpose). A DX7 has tons more things to tweak, and all these things act differently depending on which algorithm you're using. With a typical analog synth like the Juno6/60/106 you have results in under a minute, but the results are (from a sound design point of view) quite basic. With a DX7 (or any other advanced FM synth) it also takes a minute for a basic sawtooth, but it can take hours for something complex. And that's just tweaking parameters, it'll take another few decades to gain enough experience to make these complex FM sounds not just an act of sheer luck. So, FM has a steep learning curve, but the results are extremely vast and rewarding. They have acoustic qualities, and that's where it shines way more bright than any Juno can do!

Personally, I'd pick the: FS1r, if you can find one. It has so many standard FM voices that even I eventually didn't bother anymore programming my own FM stuff. (okay, the limited display didn't make things much better ^_^ )