G-League

I really hope they do say SOMETHING along these lines at some point, though i don't expect it. It's just going to be hard to trust them at any point, no matter if they turn this ship around or not, based on what they've done and the lack of transparency along the way. They've left everyone wondering and hoping and then it comes out that they've already made decisions and not said anything to anyone, players included. I do not have faith in this front office at this moment, but a little transparency and ownership of what they've done would certainly boost them up a few points in my mind.

because i'm not sure they actually believe they screwed up. their claims that tyrone corbin would be more likely to take the kings to the playoffs this season than mike malone were always a misguided attempt to deflect some of the criticism for firing malone in the first place. we already know that corbin isn't "their guy"; it's been reported that the front office attempted to lure alvin gentry to sacramento to be a part of mike malone's bench. when neither malone nor gentry were interested in an arrangement that might undercut malone's authority, the front office relented and malone selected tyrone corbin as his lead assistant. but corbin is not their guy...

that said, whatever the next step is in their "plan," they fully committed to it the moment they fired malone. they won't be admitting any errors, and corbin is just acting as a placeholder until "phase whatever" of their plan is enacted. if the next step is to hire chris mullin in the offseason, then the kings will simply bide their time until mullin is able to be installed with a full offseason and training camp at his disposal. but perhaps that's not the next step; perhaps the next step is to tank the rest of the season in order to keep this year's draft pick. or maybe the next step is to seize on an opportunity created by potential shifts in the head coaching landscape due to midseason or end-of-season firings. or maybe the next step is something else entirely...

but admitting that "an error was made" can't really occur until pete d'alessandro is fired. that would be a worthwhile admission of error from vivek. anything else would just be fan appeasement that wouldn't necessarily be followed by an altering of their course of action. personally, i find it rather unlikely that vivek/PDA will deviate from their "plan," at least not until they can measure the results yielded by whatever their "plan" is. and while we may take them to task for their immediate failures, they may not choose to evaluate the progress of their "plan" for another couple of seasons. none of this is to say that i'm in agreement with their approach; i think i've made my bone-to-pick very obvious in the last several weeks. but i'm also not expecting them to place a premium on opinions like mine, shared though they may be by a great many...

Starter

Is the front front office (Ranadive) still out of town? If so, that is a reason nothing has been said. Otherwise, I don't know.

The post-Malone failure has been to win games or even look like they are capable as winning games. To me, that demands the FO saying something to take the coach and players off the hook for the whole blame. Right now the people on the court must be carrying a heavy load of guilt which is unfair.

Bench

This actually seems more and more the idea that I keep coming back to. You don't get a new coach if you don't want to win. They seemly want this team is metal state turned upside down so the Kings can get a pick within the top 10.

G-League

I think they've come clean already and there's nothing more left to say. They didn't want a defensive-minded coach. When you make a mistake, and everyone knows you made a mistake, you just look dumber if you try to rationalize it afterwards. It is reasonable from their perspective to keep their mouths shut until the next big decision comes along. Belaboring your own stupidity is never a good move.

Bench

I think they've come clean already and there's nothing more left to say. They didn't want a defensive-minded coach. When you make a mistake, and everyone knows you made a mistake, you just look dumber if you try to rationalize it afterwards. It is reasonable from their perspective to keep their mouths shut until the next big decision comes along. Belaboring your own stupidity is never a good move.

Admitting you made a mistake isn't rationalizing the mistake. You may look dumb if you try to rationalize a mistake everyone knows you made, but you will look dumber and more foolish by refusing to admit you made a mistake. You can't fix a problem or a mistake unless you admit that the problem/mistake exists.

Starter

There's not much to tell. Pete was the one who started the Karl conversation. Pete went straight to the back of the bus, leaned against the back of it and yelled out to us, "Why do you guys want Karl so bad?" Well something like that. The bus got silent. All eyes and ears were on him. It was game on and we discussed Karl and many other players.

I can honestly say it was a much better conversation than what took place on KHTK.

For the record this bus trip was planned before the season started so this was no PR cover up or whatever.

We have done things with Pete in the past too such as attending a Reno Bighorns game with him and Chris Mullin as well as being invited to the DC signing during Summer League.

Starter

This actually seems more and more the idea that I keep coming back to. You don't get a new coach if you don't want to win. They seemly want this team is metal state turned upside down so the Kings can get a pick within the top 10.

Hall of Famer

Admitting you made a mistake isn't rationalizing the mistake. You may look dumb if you try to rationalize a mistake everyone knows you made, but you will look dumber and more foolish by refusing to admit you made a mistake. You can't fix a problem or a mistake unless you admit that the problem/mistake exists.

The question no doubt in many people's minds is what difference does it make if the FO admits to a gross screw up. If I were considering being a season ticket or renewing my STH status, I would NOT do it with an organization that seemed to have trouble in one or many areas such as telling the truth, using good basketball judgment, etc. For ME and perhaps a few others, coming forth with the truth as to why Malone was fired could make the difference in buying tickets and not buying tickets.

So only a select few get to know why Karl isn't considered as a coach. Point well taken, Mike.

Starter

There's not much to tell. Pete was the one who started the Karl conversation. Pete went straight to the back of the bus, leaned against the back of it and yelled out to us, "Why do you guys want Karl so bad?" Well something like that. The bus got silent. All eyes and ears were on him. It was game on and we discussed Karl and many other players.

I can honestly say it was a much better conversation than what took place on KHTK.

For the record this bus trip was planned before the season started so this was no PR cover up or whatever.

We have done things with Pete in the past too such as attending a Reno Bighorns game with him and Chris Mullin as well as being invited to the DC signing during Summer League.

I'm sure it's not the impression you wanted to give and it's probably has a lot to do with my jaded view of the organization, but the image I got was a arrogant, know-it-all prick taunting you mere peasants with his superior knowledge cause you know, 'he knows what he's doing.'

Hopefully, you'll be doing more with the Kings while Pete hits the road.

Starter

I'm sure it's not the impression you wanted to give and it's probably has a lot to do with my jaded view of the organization, but the image I got was a arrogant, know-it-all prick taunting you mere peasants with his superior knowledge cause you know, 'he knows what he's doing.'

Hopefully, you'll be doing more with the Kings while Pete hits the road.

Pete did not bring up being a lawyer or said he was smarter than us on the bus.

When I said game on it simply meant we got into some good conversations because it was kind of slow at first. There were no Earth shattering news as if an NBA GM would tell a bus load of fans (under the influence or not and I mean the fans).

Hall of Famer

That PDA has to ask why fans would want George Karl in comparison to what we're getting under Corbin, and in relation to firing Malone without an adequate replacement lined up on top of Karl publicly campaigning for the job, is yet another example of the incompetence and aloofness we're witnessing.

I mean, FFS Pete, I don't know, maybe wanting the top available coach who employs the style you've campaigned for, wants the job and specializes in damage control, turning a struggling team into a playoff team quickly, would be the preference over Ty Corbin and his current .263 winning % with us while we're once again soundly qualified as the laughingstock of the NBA. But what do I know, Pete, you've told us you know what you're doing after all. Of course, if every GM who said he knew what he was doing actually knew what he was doing, there wouldn't be so many failures across sports.

And it's cool some fans rub shoulders with an NBA GM, bet they enjoy the experience, yet it's just a distraction and deflection. Just my opinion.

Starter

That PDA has to ask why fans would want George Karl in comparison to what we're getting under Corbin, and in relation to firing Malone without an adequate replacement lined up on top of Karl publicly campaigning for the job, is yet another example of the incompetence and aloofness we're witnessing.

I mean, FFS Pete, I don't know, maybe wanting the top available coach who employs the style you've campaigned for, wants the job and specializes in damage control, turning a struggling team into a playoff team quickly, would be the preference over Ty Corbin and his current .263 winning % with us while we're once again soundly qualified as the laughingstock of the NBA. But what do I know, Pete, you've told us you know what you're doing after all. Of course, if every GM who said he knew what he was doing actually knew what he was doing, there wouldn't be so many failures across sports.

And it's cool some fans rub shoulders with an NBA GM, bet they enjoy the experience, yet it's just a distraction and deflection. Just my opinion.

Prospect

There's not much to tell. Pete was the one who started the Karl conversation. Pete went straight to the back of the bus, leaned against the back of it and yelled out to us, "Why do you guys want Karl so bad?" Well something like that. The bus got silent. All eyes and ears were on him. It was game on and we discussed Karl and many other players.

I can honestly say it was a much better conversation than what took place on KHTK.

For the record this bus trip was planned before the season started so this was no PR cover up or whatever.

We have done things with Pete in the past too such as attending a Reno Bighorns game with him and Chris Mullin as well as being invited to the DC signing during Summer League.

This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things

That PDA has to ask why fans would want George Karl in comparison to what we're getting under Corbin, and in relation to firing Malone without an adequate replacement lined up on top of Karl publicly campaigning for the job, is yet another example of the incompetence and aloofness we're witnessing.

All-Star

I've been hearing awful stuff about Vivek outside the forum worlds and while I have no faith in one of the sources, the person is regularly credentialed to shoot games on the court so he may have access to people that do actually know things. Everything from the routine FO missteps we talk about here to the way the players off court lives are being (mis)managed. I really don't want to believe it and I hope that as much truth there is to it can be explained by naivety curable by a disaster like what we're currently experiencing.

Starter

Its looking more and more like PDA/Vivek have no clue about what they're doing and its not like we have a track record we can point to in order to comfort ourselves into the "they will get this right" or "this is all a calulated tank" mindset. You really can't tell if they are trying to tank or just plain dumb (in basketball terms).

My opinion is he asked the question because he has no plans to hire Karl and wants to gauge the backlash once his puppet is hired (something he miscalculated terribly when he fired Malone) so that the firestorm that occured when Malone was let go won't be as large when "his guy" is hired.

Starter

Pete did not bring up being a lawyer or said he was smarter than us on the bus.

When I said game on it simply meant we got into some good conversations because it was kind of slow at first. There were no Earth shattering news as if an NBA GM would tell a bus load of fans (under the influence or not and I mean the fans).

I said nothing about him being a lawyer or that he said he was smarter than you all. I said image and indicated it might be influenced by my (jaded) view of the organization. I stand by the taunting call. Why bring up a sore subject (unless it's another indication how tone-deaf they are to the fans) if you can't discuss (give any meat) it?

Starter

I said nothing about him being a lawyer or that he said he was smarter than you all. I said image and indicated it might be influenced by my (jaded) view of the organization. I stand by the taunting call. Why bring up a sore subject (unless it's another indication how tone-deaf they are to the fans) if you can't discuss (give any meat) it?

Hall of Famer

I was interested in why Karl was not hired as a replacement for Malone. I think that is the question on a lot of people's minds. If PDA thinks that placing Corbin in the head coach position is somehow adequate, I am blown way. He says he doesn't want to hire until after the season. What's Corbin?

I personally am not so stupid as to think he should fire Corbin this year and hire Karl.

I am done with this FO. Glad everyone had fun. Glad Vivek had the honor of attending a Swiss meeting on economics. Glad Vivek was with the President in India. Sounds like he is getting his needs met.