Q4? Damn. I was worried I made the wrong choice getting my GTX 660 in January. Looks like I did not! I was hoping for a March/April release though so I could use EVGas step up program . Oh well. The 660 should last me into 2014 when even newer cards are released. I wonder if this has anything to do with a focus being placed on next gen gaming consoles or if they have an entirely seperate team working on it? (I don't know much about the production side of things.)

An old 6950 or 560ti can still perfectly play all games unless you're going over 1080p single monitor res.

It's only limiting some games because developers don't put the extra time and money to make a true pc version and just do a port. That's more to do with the business side of things than anything technical holding them back. Sure with the next Xbox at least we can finally say good bye to dx9.

It's only limiting some games because developers don't put the extra time and money to make a true pc version and just do a port. That's more to do with the business side of things than anything technical holding them back. Sure with the next Xbox at least we can finally say good bye to dx9.

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Without derailing this topic too much I wanted to ask since DX9 was brought up: Obviously games look better on the PC than consoles when it comes to ones that aren't just poor ports (IE: Dark Souls) in large part due to DX 11 but when the 360 and PS3 first game out was there such a gap in visual appearance in titles? I really can't recall because its been so long.

Without derailing this topic too much I wanted to ask since DX9 was brought up: Obviously games look better on the PC than consoles when it comes to ones that aren't just poor ports (IE: Dark Souls) in large part due to DX 11 but when the 360 and PS3 first game out was there such a gap in visual appearance in titles? I really can't recall because its been so long.

Dark Souls with a mod looks much better on the PC, and can run at 60 FPS...

But, there's always been a visual gap. The Xbox has always struggled to do 720p or 60 fps

Without derailing this topic too much I wanted to ask since DX9 was brought up: Obviously games look better on the PC than consoles when it comes to ones that aren't just poor ports (IE: Dark Souls) in large part due to DX 11 but when the 360 and PS3 first game out was there such a gap in visual appearance in titles? I really can't recall because its been so long.

When 360 games came out first they looked on par or a bit better than what the pc had at the time but we're talking long ago and dx10 wasn't out yet. This didn't last long once we got newer games and cards that supported dx10+.

Dark Souls with a mod looks much better on the PC, and can run at 60 FPS...

But, there's always been a visual gap. The Xbox has always struggled to do 720p or 60 fps

Right. I'm familiar with the mods but I was using it as an example of an out of the box port. It's the only one in recent memory I could think of heh.

When 360 games came out first they looked on par or a bit better than what the pc had at the time but we're talking long ago and dx10 wasn't out yet. This didn't last long once we got newer games and cards that supported dx10+.

Thanks GP! Ididn't realize it's been so long since they were released - Before DX10? Damn.

I prefer PC Gaming. But I could not afford a 670.

Yeah that's why I went with the 660. Good news for people using 560s or anything older is the 6xx series will see a price drop with the new cards - Maybe even sooner if they won't be out until September.