San Francisco Chronicle, Jan. 8, 2014: Scientists reported Wednesday that low levels of radiation from Japan’s Fukushima disaster first detected off the California coast two years ago have been declining ever since [... Prof. Nicholas Fisher] said that continued sampling of low radiation levels from Fukushima on the California coast shows “they have gone down ever since.”

There appears to be confusion about the radioactive plume crossing the Pacific to the West Coast. The leading edge of the plume has only just recently been reported to be arriving at the North American coast. Which means whatever contamination that was detected “off the California coast two years ago [and has] been declining ever since” is not related to the Fukushima plume crossing the Pacific.

Reports of the recent arrival of the Fukushima plume on the West Coast of North America are coming from government-funded scientists. Here’s a few examples:

Arnie Gundersen, nuclear expert: “Radiation that went into the Pacific from largely French tests, but also American tests, is smaller than what is going into the Pacific now from Fukushima [...] Fukushima Daiichi’s plume that’s heading towards the West Coast of the US has about 10 times more radiation in that wave than what we had already done from bomb testing. We further contaminated the Pacific, much more so than the bomb testing.”

The contamination is forecast to last for about 10 years off California’s coast. Yet the model only takes into account the first few weeks of Fukushima releases into the Pacific, though plant officials have recently admitted hundreds of tons of contaminated water have been flowing into the Pacific since the first days of the disaster nearly 3 years ago.

I didn't say *anything* about being employed by a nuclear utility, vendor, reactor supplier or anyone that operates a nuclear reactor. Did I folks? I said derived from the nuclear industry. You do understand derived? Does a Criticality Accident Responder who responds to nuclear emergencies not derive something from the nuclear industry?

socref, are you still claiming that there was no criticality?
TooExpensiveToMatter
January 9, 2014 at 8:51 am
As radio personality Paul Harvey said, "And now you know the REST of the story".
By opening his mouth enough, socref has not only inserted his foot multiple times, but has also revealed the real purpose of his so-called "research".
He has obviously already reached his "conclusion" (reached it long ago) and is now just collecting "facts" cherry picked to fit that conclusion. The purpose of his "anti-anti-nuclear" tome is crystal clear.
"Nuclear expert doing research" my **s.
All folks need to know about socref was revealed in his single ridiculous claim that he "didn't get the call to come to Japan to respond to the criticality", which, in his thinking, amounts to evidence that there was none.http://enenews.com/nuclear-chemistry-expert-steam-at-unit-3-could-be-from-corium-burning-throug-containment-into-underlying-groundwater/comment-page-1#comment-442309
That one claim tells us everything:
1) That he believes "the absence of evidence is evidence of absence"
2) that he ACTUALLY believes ***simply not getting a phone call is "evidence" of a PHYSICAL process (or its absence)*** [the dumbest thing I have ever seen on the internet!! ] ie, that TEPCO or Japanese officials would always (necessarily) call if a criticality occurred
3) that he is suffering from a very serious case of Dunning-Krugeritis and/or
4) That he is just completely…

Dr. Dropsila (aka socref) already told us (more than once) that he didn't get the call on the Fuku-phone from Japan and you know, as he indicated, he certainly would have if there had been an actual criticality, being the world expert he is and critical to the disaster mitigation team* and all and knowing how on-the-ball and transparent TEPCO has been since hour 1.

*Don't be fooled by the appearance that a world expert Like Dr. Dripsila has time to post voluminously on this blog. He's just waiting for that call…

QED

PS Although some engineers and scientists (including the ones I have dealt with over the years) would undoubtedly say that "Absence of socref/dropsila is not evidence of absence (of criticality)", we can be assured that they are all wacko conspiracy theorists because, you know, they just are.

No evidence of criticality – depends who would be looking for it, and reporting it to whom.
It was critical enough that 1/4 crew of our Naval Ship is showing cancer due to their drinking radioactive water while by Fuku on a short term help.

Of course those who have everything to gain by not telling anyone – including their own employees (TEPCO covering the radiation measuring monitors etc) did their job.

And by the way – what are you doing on this site – blogging away comments nobody seems to be interested in ?
Go away please and troll somewhere else. You might get some 'takers'.

I've met very many important experts in my life, and they don't need to shout. A very important expert would have other things to do than blog on this website, posting a comment every minute. The expert would be writing and publishing very important scientific articles on peer-reviewed journals. They would be quoted in the headlines.

First he says I'm trying to discover who he is and it won't work, then he says go find me. Yup, multiple personality disorder. And who would be on this thing if they were on vacation? Dedication fellows. Dedication.

I believe what you really want to say is that you are a private contractor, on call, whose field is specialized. Maybe several fields. This doesn't necessarily mean they will call.

I am a ex-private contractor to FEMA, working for a private company, as an inspector for 4 years. We are called second responders. First responds deal with death and critical infrastructure's. I have a critical role to play in natural disasters as an inspector, serving those applicants who file for disaster relief.
However, in and under no terms am I critical to any disaster.

The two company's I use to work for said that I was critical to their mission. A member of the A team.

Some inspectors let this go to their head and take their position of power to the next level. Others just want to know if the check is good at the end of the week.

YOU LIE!! Had to say that. Multiple times you've used the word "we" when speaking for everyone here. We is not I. There is no I in we. And I've asked you multiple times to NOT speak for me. I asked you multiple times if you were a doctor of psychology with no response because you stated you were here studying people's psyche. Get help dude.

Whatever – plitting hairs. You're a nuclear engineer and you don't work for the "industry", you work for academia, non profit, hospital, club. Got it. Whatever. You still didn't answer if you derive any benefit, income, jollies from your work, studies, interests in and around things that have the word nuclear in it?

We all care. And it matters a lot, specially as you earlier posted "Listen to me I am an all important expert" – and just as many (industry funded) experts you mislead the public, and it looks that you actually know less than the public already knowns. Yawn.

I dont care if you listen or not, that is your perogative. I will say what I have to say goes counter to your knowledge base and world view, so on that account, you think I mislead but its actually a "recalibration" of your thinking.

The exercise of watching you people ping off each other reminds me of the blind leading the blind.

Yes, you do have to walk through it – as you chose to troll here…saying you had no ties to nuclear industry (at first) …now the truth is coming out – posting your last post here. As a nuclear engineer you knew better – because even CNN reported that very first night of Fuku that particled detected indicate a meltdown…And it was the biggest meltdown on this Earth of modern times. I knew that very night.
"socref
January 9, 2014 at 6:14 pm

Does a firefighter derive income from the fire establishment?

I dont derive income from the nuclear industry. And what would it matter? Who cares? I am my own voice and do not speak for any other.

Plus lets see. If a medical doctor got on a blog and blogged about medicine, and someone says "you derive your income from medicine.."

“The Boeing Company (/ˈboʊ.ɪŋ/ BOH-ing) is a United States-based multinational corporation that designs, manufactures and sells fixed-wing aircraft, rotorcraft, rockets and satellites and provides leasing and product support services. Boeing is among the largest global aircraft manufacturers, is the second-largest aerospace & defense contractor in the world based on 2012 revenue and is the US' largest exporter by dollar value.[3][4] Boeing stock is a component of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
“The Boeing Company's corporate headquarters are located in Chicago, Illinois …”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing

socref, did you get your PhD. at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY, or any degree from them? Where are your degrees from? Where did you study health physics? How many classes did you take in health physics and what are they?

Socref; if you really want to learn about Fukushima first hand go to Japan.

Perhaps you can really find out what's happening behind their veil of
secrecy. We all here are trying to figure it all out with the limited and
censored information offered to us. I do not see you contributing anything
to our understanding of what happened and is happening there. You
would be commanding a lot of respect from all of us if there was something
of value in all of your comments here. You just don't get it!

I hope we can all agree on some basic things.
1. Something like 300+ tons of irradiated water is entering the Pacific every day via Fukushimas' three core meltdown.
2. Bio-accumulation of these isotopes is amplified the further up the food chain you are.
3. Any amount of exposure to radioactive elements has a chance to cause mutations or death to living cells/tissue.
4. Man-made radioactive isotopes have been falling out of our atmosphere since the first atomic detonation, but has been greatly increased since 2011 via the explosions and subsequent daily steam release at Fukushima.
5. The entire world is now exposed to these unnecessary cancer causing elements thanks to pro-nuke government, schools, and industries.

So why do anything to dilute or question these facts? Sure we come here "to learn about fukushima," but by diverting the arguments, and steering the conversation into the proverbial weeds, or to cast fog and doubt to these facts and understandings, goes against the greater purpose. To be anything but anti-nuke is to be against the survival of life. Nuclear technology never promotes life, only electricity and weapons. Some may argue electricity promotes life, but it only promotes convenience. And weapons are obviously not pro-life.

If the entire world nuclear energy production is less than 3%, I say the risks far outweigh the rewards. Shut them all down!

They say they're leaking 300 tons of water a day, but that doesn't count the groundwater flow, fresh water outlets… springs… in the ocean floor off of the shore there, where the groundwater is released into the ocean.

Still happening aint it. Dropsila and dropzilla. Reminds me of a story.
A friend was in an abusive relationship. Her partner seemed so reasonable but he was an abuser. She was always trying to leave but ?…as a skilled, well established, respectable smooth talker/stalker, he always somehow managed to entice her back in, and there it was , he was in her life AGAIN. she finally went to therapy. She shared with me what she learned… Even while learning to forgive herself:

"I was dancing my half of the dance", she said. "He was abusing me but i would respond and get hooked into the bad patterns, thru talking to him and being seduced and hurt and outraged. I had to stop the dancing. I had to let go of my part of the dance."

Hell the lady changed her phone number, email addy and locks. Police stay of protection. He finally went away. he found another person to entice and engage and charm and argue and abuse. And he is such a nice guy on the surface. His words and behavior seems so civil and reasonable. He cons so many. i just avoid him like the plague.

Seems to me we are being stalked and it is working. I have been as guilty as the next. Now i am not reading those posts by the dropsilla entities. I am trying one screen at a time to ignore them. I want to stay on topic. i do not want to read the script going back and forth with a stalker. Like one day at a time? One screen at a time. Like a 12 step program for people pissed off at shills on…

1. we admit we have a problem and we are powerless before the urge to debunk people who lie to protect nuclear deathmachines
2. we come to believe that a power greater than ourselves (like the community here of wise folks) can help us regain our sanity
3. made a decision to turn our hearts and hands to protecting human and earth life as we understand it, against nukes
4. make a fearless and moral inventory of ourselves and our ability to stay on track in the face of huge annoyance and manufactured lies
5. admitted to the community, ourselves and our pets that we fell off topic
6. were ready to have the enenews community correct us so we can go back to work telling the truth in all ways possible
7. humbly asked our true peers here to help keep us on track
8.made a list of the nuclear meltdowns and apologists we had tried to harm, and vowed to harm them in more effective ways with on topic arguments…excellent links, and creative rediculousness
9.made direct amends except when to do so would support the shills or confuse the newcomers
10 continue with personal inventory and when we were off topic promptly admitted it (i'm here!)
11. sought through concentration study and practice to strengthen connection to the community of support on enenews and elsewhere so we have the wisdom and courage to spread the truth, debunk lies and make change for the better on this planet
12. carry this message to others and practice these principals here!

->key: only takes into account the first few weeks of Fukushima releases…

"The contamination is forecast to last for about 10 years off California’s coast. Yet the model only takes into account the first few weeks of Fukushima releases into the Pacific, though plant officials have recently admitted hundreds of tons of contaminated water have been flowing into the Pacific since the first days of the disaster nearly 3 years ago." – from above

If a 'FEW WEEKS' equals 'LASTS 10 YEARS', then what does 148 WEEKS mean?

OK guys and gals, enough silly banter. Here is some real data that I got out of a 300 page gov report, yes, it is annoying to grind though.

It shows that the nuclide deposition from Fukushima NOW (beyond a shadow of a doubt, using CS134/CS137 ratios) in a place 2000 miles away in Alaska was equal to the nuclides from a large atomic bomb hitting that same spot in 1969, measured back then.

Simply the Cesium in 2011 was 13750 pCi/kG
Before Fukushima in 1997 is was around 42 pCi/kG

After 3 bombs were set off in 1969, the tests showed 8000 to 27000 pCi/kG.

Seriously, it is hard to believe. Read it, ask questions, I will explain.

I promised myself I would not engage in or entertain the mental masturbations of denial splattered on the pages of this kick ass site by our resident "stuck in the 90's" trouble maker. But will post when possible information to counter his incessant insanity*.

Here is his latest "expert" brain fart *1) not all levels of radiation are dangerous

Environmental Protection Agency: “ … any exposure to radiation poses some risk, i.e. there is no level below which we can say an exposure poses no risk. ”

Nuclear Regulatory Commission: “ any amount of radiation may pose some risk for causing cancer … any increase in dose, no matter how small, results in an incremental increase in risk. ”

National Academy of Sciences: “ … it is unlikely that a threshold exists for the induction of cancers… ” (John LaForge: Dangerous Disinformation About Radiation, 2011)

“ No amount of radiation is safe. Every dose is an overdose. ”
- Nobel Laureate George Wald, in 1953.

“ There is no safe level of radionuclide exposure, whether from food, water or other sources. Period. ”
- Jeff Patterson, DO, immediate past president of Physicians for Social Responsibility.

“ There is no safe dose of radiation since radiation is cumulative. Harm in the form of excess human cancer occurs at all doses of ionizing radiation, down to the lowest conceivable dose and dose rate. ”
- John Gofman, Ph.D., M.D. in Radiation and Human Health.

“ It is also notable that the thyroid radiation exposures after Chernobyl were virtually all internal, from radioiodines… Thus, the increase in thyroid cancer seen after Chernobyl is attributable to ingested or inhaled radioiodines. A comparable burden of excess thyroid cancers could conceivably accrue should U.S. populations be similarly exposed in the event of a nuclear accident. This potential hazard highlights the value of averting such risk by using KI as an adjunct to evacuation, sheltering, and control of contaminated foodstuffs. ”
- Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The dirty secret that the largely cheerleading function of mainstream media conceals on behalf of the nuclear industry is that exceedingly low levels of internalized (inhaled or swallowed) radioisotopes may do exponentially more harm than present radiation risk models allow for.

In order to understand the absurdity of drawing a one-to-one comparison between external and internal radiation exposures, Professor Chris Busby (Scientific Secretary for the European Committee on Radiation Risk) draws the analogy between direct comparison between external radiation and internal radiation exposures with warming oneself in front of a fire and eating a red hot coal. Indeed, the public is being lulled into pulling up a comfy chair to warm themselves by the radioactive fire of a disaster the scale of which this world has never known before.

“ The nuclear industry is waging a war against humanity. This war has now entered an endgame which will decide the survival of the human race. Not from sudden nuclear war. But from the on-going and incremental nuclear war which began with the releases to the biosphere in the 60s of all the atmospheric test fallout, and which has continued inexorably since then through Windscale, Kyshtym, 3-Mile Island, Chernobyl, Hanford, Sellafield, La Hague, Iraq and now Fukushima, accompanied by parallel increases in cancer rates and fertility loss to the human race. ”
- Professor Chris Busby

You have no shame nor conscience. Bald face lie!
"I disagree with the "any radiation is dangerous" meme."
Go live on the outskirts of Fukushima some 50 miles out
and make this comment again. Your health will be gone!

Administrator: there has to be a line drawn in the sand
with this kind of comment. It goes beyond "free speech"
on this site.

OK, socref claimed "listen to me , I am a very important scientist". If he chooses to say this in disregard for many ESTEEMED scientists quoted earlier (and BEAR VII)
"socref January 9, 2014 at 5:09 pm ·

I disagree with the "any radiation is dangerous" meme. You all cited bananas. I didnt."

…then we all can see socref is a MORON…not an important scientists, and perhaps we can now ignore him (to save time)…Just saying…

The size and scope of this global nuclear poisoning is being quashed by a silly string of prostitute scientist and politicians whose funding and careers stand to be terminated and humiliated if they do not tell the lies and turn a blind eye. These clowns of science and politics are trying to tell us that the Fukushima radiation is the equivalent to eating a banana or flying across the country.

When pundits talk about passive radiation exposure from a long airplane trip or eating a banana being of similar radiotoxicity to the kind presented by a nuclear meltdown, they are reinforcing the fundamental myth of the nuclear age: that releases like Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and now Fukushima are concerns to health only as long as they involve external doses of radiation high enough to cause acute damage.

“ If you are smiling, you will not have any radiation effect… If you are not smiling, you will have radiation effect. ”
- Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

“ Drinking may be bad for your health, but happy drinkers are less affected by radiation. ”
- Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

“ Not a problem if you continue to live here. Just wash your vegetables, that's all. ”
- Fukushima Radiation Health Risk Advisor Prof. Dr. Yamashita of Nagasaki University On Fukushima And Radiation.

While our resident "tobacco scientist" is choking on the splinters of the RED CARD we just fed him, I'd like to share my latest "layman's" version of the Chernobyl vs Fukushima comparison based on my notes taken from this and other sites during the last 2 years +.

1986 Chernobyl – 195 days till containment. A single uranium powered nuclear plant without plutonium (MOX) fuel and NO spent fuel pools, located far from any ocean in the middle of what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine was running at low power had a partial meltdown, exploded and burned for ten days until an army of half a million “liquidators” buried it and entombed it in a concrete sarcophagus. It sent a plume of radioactive particles 2 kilometers into the atmosphere – equivalent in toxicity to 400 Hiroshima bombs. It contaminated forty percent of Europe and Central Asia. A thousand kilometers in all directions are permanently contaminated. It has slowly killed a million people and destroyed the DNA of millions more.

2011 Fukushima – 1034 days still no containment. Three uranium and plutonium powered nuclear plants and four large spent fuel pools, located on the shores of Eastern Japan were running at full power, had triple "China Syndrome" meltdowns, exploded and two hundred tons of radioactive fuel burned up into the atmosphere and burned down into the groundwater aquifer that empties into the Pacific Ocean. For over two and a half years an army of ten thousand down on their luck contract workers have tried to mop it up and then filter and save the mop water. It didn’t work. It can never be stopped. It sent a plume of radioactive particles 5 kilometers into the atmosphere – equivalent in toxicity to 6000+ Hiroshima bombs. It has permanently contaminated 50 percent of Japan and portions of East Asia. Three thousand square kilometers of the Pacific and growing are permanently contaminated. It has begun to slowly kill millions of people in the northern hemisphere and destroy the DNA of billions more for generations to come.

Apparently the nuke industry, unable to stop the flow of radioactivity at the Fuku plant, has chosen instead to stop the flow of information by sending it's henchmen in.

Some of them claim that there is absolutely no harm whatsoever from radiation. It's GOOD for you, they say! Well then, why do NPPs have those thick concrete and steel monoliths around them if they are sooo safe, hum? Why aren't you advocating just tearing them down? Go on, I dare you…

Like old Ronnie Raygun might have said: "Tear those walls down!"

Here's what I have to say to the nukers:

When you can actually STOP the multiple meltdowns in Japan rather than just armchair quarterbacking, when you can completely CLEAN UP that country AND the Pacific Ocean, when you can REVERSE all the health damage caused to human and non-human life from this disaster, when you put your money where your mouth is and PERSONALLY VOLUNTEER to clean up this godawful mess, When you decide to get a bit of HONESTY for a change and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY not only for forcing this damned technology on the world, but also for LYING about the damaging effects of radiation, THEN, AND ONLY THEN WILL I LISTEN TO YOU.

Been here as a lurker too long.Had to post because I`ve been disturbed by `socref` commentary.Surely,whatever education he
has in the nuclear field was wasted.He will not acknowledge
the statements of `experts` in the field,but chooses to play
games instead.Go back ton your Non-Destructive Application
position and pray…coming from an athiest,that`s saying a lot.

The community here is doing delightful combat
with Socref. Don't worry he is being exposed
completely and not allowed to get away with
his version of things. He comments as we
all do here and unfortunately he appears
to be an agent sent here to do cyber-combat
with the truths of Fukushima. It is a great
learning experience to know how to do combat
with the hydra headed monster of the ProNukers.

Welcome, deadeyes!
Thank you for proving to the pro nukers that by sending in agents to disrupt enenews, it is actually backfiring on their plan – more lurkers have actually signed on as members to show support, ever since this disturbance has happened. They are stoking the fire.

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