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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] My Better Brexit Deal Goes To Another School

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I’m not saying the Labour Party has become a cesspool of division and abuse, but this tweet from Guardian columnist and Labour pundit Owen Jones is from yesterday. He’d launched into full attack mode before anyone had even announced anything.

angela smith and chris leslie are both brain-free zones, chuka at least has charisma and is a loss, but the real problem is berger; she makes it almost impossible to deny the party has problems. on the other hand this will last 1day before B A C K T O B R E X I T

I think the oh what losers comments from Owen Jones and the like will studiously avoid mentioning Berger and hope no one notices. I'm betting they'll steer of Mike Gapes as well, a 25 year backbench MP who's no one's idea of an opportunist or a careerist.

Will they even run in another election? Will the next election see them invited back into the party to run if there's a change of leadership which extends a hand after a massively crippling post-Brexit reconstitution of the party?

I mean, Ed Milliband said it and it's absolutely true; the script isn't written. We don't know what will happen. We don't know what is coming. It's all looking very chaotic and who knows what the post Brexit world will be? If we no deal that could see consequences like major parties falling into nothing etc. Maybe they feel like they can do more outside of the party... and they're quite possibly right

I think they wouldn't go back to Labour without a change of leadership and a wholesale expulsion of large numbers of anti-semitic members and some sort of proof that cases were being dealt with in such a way as to quash such behaviour, and not give it tacit approval. But yes, you're absolutely right that no one knows what's going to happen.

This is how you frame your rationale for trying to get free of Labour and the Conservatives. Neither party is working in the best interests of the country and stories like this are a direct consequence of that.

It requires MPs to step away from the tradition parties so that they can do what's best for the country, and the economy before it's too late.

Angela Smith already making friends for the new party by referring to people of colour by saying "it’s not just about being black or a funny tinge ... you know, a different... from the BAME community".

you see when we put tariffs on the eu they pay them but then they put tariffs on us they pay them too, so really no deal is the best because we get to not only have our cake and eat it but theirs too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and nobody will impose tariffs on us anyway because thats economic self harm, and

I don't agree with Justin Tomlinson in that tweet but I do believe there is more to this news than just Brexit (although Brexit plays a huge part in what's happening).

Japanese cars produced in the EU (predominantly small/mid sized cars) are in a very competitive market in the EU. This puts a lot of pressure on Japanese car makers, especially Honda and Nissan because they have direct competition with the likes of Volkswagen, Renault, Peugeot etc. Not to mention stricter controls on CO2 emissions, diesel controls etc. It's therefore no surprise that it is Honda and Nissan who have had to reduce their operations in Britain recently. The market is getting harder and harder to grow within, and it is requiring substantial investment in new technologies (electric vehicles, for example) to secure continued growth.

With the EU/Japan trade deal secured, the need for Japanese firms to have a large manufacturing base in the EU may begin to diminish as the tariff reductions take effect in the coming years. When you then introduce the added complication of your previous EU base coming out of the EU (Britain), the case for continuing your operations in the EU directly shrinks further. Why would you manufacture your cars in a country which may have import tariffs imposed on it, when you could manufacture them in Japan wholesale, which will eventually have zero tariffs? Brexit does nothing to alleviate any concerns Japanese car manufacturers may have about continuing their operations in Britain or the EU. All Britain can do is offer some kind of incentive to companies to try and bribe them to stay, relocate here. e.g. subsidised manufacturing costs, tax breaks etc. Which is probably what was in those confidential letters to specific companies back in 2016. But the political ramifications of that kind of activity must be poisonous. "We need to bribe companies otherwise they won't stay because Brexit is bad for the economy".

Against the Brexit backdrop, the trade deal will almost certainly alleviate a lot of the pressure on Japanese car makers, who previously had to secure Operations in the EU in order to benefit from the market. Without that pressure, they have the option to consolidate their manufacturing capabilities, most likely back in Japan and keep operating costs lower as a price per unit, allowing them to invest in the technologies that will secure their growth in years to come.

The Japanese car industry is such a perfect microcosm of why the EU works, and how Britain benefits. Although it isn't the full story, to pretend that Brexit will have no direct effect on our economy is dangerous at best.

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surrealitycheckthe search for the means to put an end to thingsan end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered Userregular

uk specifically has a particular problem tho - we have about 3/4 of us productivity per worker and they arent very good relative to eu, the uk is remarkably low productivity. key to being favoured by foreign manufacturers was 1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

Which it's why it's so fucking delusional that Brexiteers are saying to Ireland: "Hey, you need to leave the EU otherwise you'll suffer without us". And Ireland are just sitting there, patiently ready to fill the anglo-void that Britain are leaving behind.

It's like the Flybmi news the other day - yes, the company has been in trouble for a while, so citing Brexit as the only issue is inaccurate. But the additional difficulties and uncertainty around Brexit mean that decisions might be taken that could have gone another way. The more of these we see, the harder it is to say "look at all the many and varied non-Brexit reasons people aren't investing in Britain".

(That's what the sane people will say, obvs. The Brexiteers will be doing their best ostrich impressions.)

1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

Which it's why it's so fucking delusional that Brexiteers are saying to Ireland: "Hey, you need to leave the EU otherwise you'll suffer without us". And Ireland are just sitting there, patiently ready to fill the anglo-void that Britain are leaving behind.

Also the Irish know that what the Brexiteers are actually saying is, "We demand you peasants become our colony again to make our English lives easier!"

uk specifically has a particular problem tho - we have about 3/4 of us productivity per worker and they arent very good relative to eu, the uk is remarkably low productivity. key to being favoured by foreign manufacturers was 1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

I mean its pretty easy to spot where we feel off the productivity wagon:

FT graph

*Something* happened in 2008 and we dealt with it in the stupid and shambolic manner we will now be famous for.

uk specifically has a particular problem tho - we have about 3/4 of us productivity per worker and they arent very good relative to eu, the uk is remarkably low productivity. key to being favoured by foreign manufacturers was 1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

I mean its pretty easy to spot where we feel off the productivity wagon:

FT graph

*Something* happened in 2008 and we dealt with it in the stupid and shambolic manner we will now be famous for.

We never really recovered from the financial crisis, did we? I mean, for a while it sure felt like we did. Things picked up again. Maybe not entirely, but they definitely seemed like they were improving from my comfortable approximately middle class vantage point.

But Brexit is basically a direct consequence of 2008, and it's going to fuck us for a generation.

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surrealitycheckthe search for the means to put an end to thingsan end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered Userregular

uk specifically has a particular problem tho - we have about 3/4 of us productivity per worker and they arent very good relative to eu, the uk is remarkably low productivity. key to being favoured by foreign manufacturers was 1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

I mean its pretty easy to spot where we feel off the productivity wagon:

FT graph

*Something* happened in 2008 and we dealt with it in the stupid and shambolic manner we will now be famous for.

we were low globally even before fin crisis

weve been a low productivity economy for a while (although yes the trend worsens in 2008)

EDIT: and the picture gets worse if u just look at manufacturing productivity

uk specifically has a particular problem tho - we have about 3/4 of us productivity per worker and they arent very good relative to eu, the uk is remarkably low productivity. key to being favoured by foreign manufacturers was 1) english language with access to eu and 2) incredibly stable gov and regulatory regime, and 2 is now out the window...

I mean its pretty easy to spot where we feel off the productivity wagon:

FT graph

*Something* happened in 2008 and we dealt with it in the stupid and shambolic manner we will now be famous for.

We never really recovered from the financial crisis, did we? I mean, for a while it sure felt like we did. Things picked up again. Maybe not entirely, but they definitely seemed like they were improving from my comfortable approximately middle class vantage point.

But Brexit is basically a direct consequence of 2008, and it's going to fuck us for a generation.

The Tories sold out the British people and then made the mistake of giving them one real chance to make their feelings known – and, well, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like David Cameron’s face.