I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.

A tragedy. Mental health is a problem we need to spend more time sorting out. Access to more and more sophisticated and powerful tools means that mentally deranged people have an ability to be more destructive than ever. And mental health is an issue that affects most of us, whether individually or because of a family member or friend.

I have to agree that drunk people should not have guns. The way they tend to behave, I don’t think bar security should have them either. Those guys would start acting like police and shooting people who tried to cut in line.

Except nothing of the kind happens in the states which have "shall-issue CCW" and/or "constitutional carry".

A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.

Yes, and as I mentioned, had no chance by himself. The strength in gun ownership for the people is always in numbers. Limit those numbers, and trained killers like this army vet are guaranteed free reign.

A large number of the attendee's where under 21 and there for a dance night.

And since when does everyone who drinks have to get sloppy drunk? Now if they were handing guns out at the door, maybe I could see your point. But I'm talking about gun owners going out and bringing their firearm with the intent to protect themselves and others if needed. Nothing about that mentality sounds irresponsible.

Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Alcohol is considered a performance-enchansing drug in competetive shooting. Slightly buzzed shooter actualy has an edge over completely sober one.

Weird but true.

No experience in the shooting realm with alcohol. But this is most certainly true in a ton of non-consequential motor skill type activities. Darts. Ping pong. Golf. The list goes on. And I'm not talking about being wasted. As you said, being buzzed, for some people can get their brain out of the way and make them less "mental" about the task at hand.

And I don't want to hear the rips on alcohol. There are plenty of other drugs that docs prescribe that fuck up the body substantially worse and are less effective when it comes to anti-anxiety and calming effects. As with anything, moderation is key. I'd rather have 2-3 beers and play darts over some pharma drug that is way worse for the mind and body.

VA "beneficiaries" are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind. I would like to know the perpetrator's Rx history and what drug(s) he was taking in the days leading up to this event.

The military industrial complex combines with the medical industrial complex:Step 1: train young people to kill;Step 2: send them to a foreign environment with an impossible mission, e.g. separating the "good" Muslims from the "bad" Muslims who are trying to kill them;Step 3: require them to follow incomprehensible secret rules of engagement that ensure failure and PTSD;Step 4: poison their brains with psychotropic prescriptions that push their behavior in violent and suicidal directions;Step 5: Profit!

An active duty soldier on Ambien and who knows what else walked off base one night in Afghanistan, murdered a whole family, set the corpses on fire, and walked back with no recollection of what he had done nor why.

Guns did not cause this problem, and guns cannot solve it. We are subsidizing infinitely these toxic placebos that don't solve anything but do cause more problems. As long as the recipients of those subsidies (PhRMA, prescribers, pharmacists with 10-years of post-secondary education counting to 30, all the ivory tower "educators" paid to train these people, pharmacy benefit "managers" AKA profiteers, distributors, etc.) continue to make policy, we will continue to see this problem. It happens more often in the USA than in Canada because more people are on psychotropic prescriptions here than in Canada. Lots of places have guns, but nobody can match the USA in poisoning our own population with infinitely subsidized toxic placebos.

It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.

It's so fun to live in a country where you can be nailed anytime for no reason by a wacko on psychotropic prescriptions who was able to buy guns without any checks - for the greatest profits of all involved.

Guns and profits have been around for a few hundred years. But mass shootings have not. Ever asked yourself why that is? I can tell you one thing that didn't exist when Mr. Winchester was alive...

are at high risk of being prescribed SSRIs, Ambien, and other psychotropic drugs that can badly mess up the mind.

That, and the fact that there was no gun-control . . . so even the crazy understood that if he pulled his gun out in a crowd, he'd be shot very quickly. There were no "gun-free" defenseless crowd ready to be targeted like sitting ducks.