00:25 - KarlabosMost videos are all about just adding random images to the song though, so...

00:22 - KarlabosSome videos aren't bad. But an ok video is not a good video. A good video would be something that adds to the song. In a way after you've seen it you can't help but to feel only listening to the song isn't enough anymore

23:53 - ApothecaryI mean welcome to artists trying to be theatrical lol there's always going to be some degree of cheese in music videos, even if it's .0001% cheese

The classic Epicus Doomicus Metallicus was the first doom metal album ever and set the standard that many bands have tried to cover for years while Candlemass still produced quality doom metal. And this is the only album where Johan Lanquist is the lead singer.

This masterpiece opens up with the suicidal 'Solitude'. One of the most depressing songs in metal history. The melody is beautiful and the atmospheric guitar riffs are just divine while the lyrics take to you a another world: the world of Candlemass or to your own black universe filled with fear and anger. The second song 'Demon's Gate' is the same material but a bit slower song. Technicly speaking the whole album is slow and full of melodies. 'Crystal Ball' follows exactly the same while having a slow melodic rhythm. The follow-up 'Black Stone Wielder' is a bit ?happier? song on this dark album. When you close you're eyes then you might notice a slight similarity with some classic masterminds like Wagner.

This album totally blew me away, especially its last 3 tracks. Never expected this band to be this good, as I also own Nightfall, which I think is very good, but nowhere near the epicness of this album.

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This album is a monster and the undoubtedly best doom album. A Sorcerer's Pledge is so hauntingly beautiful, especially that vocalization at the end. So glad I sprang for the deluxe.

Nah, thinking about it I don't agree with the rating tags anyway since an album can be perfect yet not worthy of a 10

Wtf?! That simply doesn't make sense AT ALL. When an album is perfect (subjectively, because there is no objectively perfect album!) it is of course worthy of a 10. But an album is NEVER perfect, therefore it's never worthy of a 10.0 rating. It baffles me how you would think a perfect album (which doesn't exist) can not be worthy of a 10, since perfection is the best there is, because it equals 100% and nothing less.

Wtf?! That simply doesn't make sense AT ALL. When an album is perfect (subjectively, because there is no objectively perfect album!) it is of course worthy of a 10. But an album is NEVER perfect, therefore it's never worthy of a 10.0 rating. It baffles me how you would think a perfect album (which doesn't exist) can not be worthy of a 10, since perfection is the best there is, because it equals 100% and nothing less.

I've already explained the concept of perfection in a previous thread:

Quote:Perfection is subjective, however, the way I perceive it there are two varieties of "perfection" with regard to music. There is that which is perfect in that the gap between the intention and expectation and perception is non-existant; in this respect there can exist a perfect, mediocre album. The other is a more comprehensive and subjective: does the listener perceive it as an epitome of top-grade material - is it subjectively a masterpiece?

I've already explained the concept of perfection in a previous thread:

Quote:Perfection is subjective, however, the way I perceive it there are two varieties of "perfection" with regard to music. There is that which is perfect in that the gap between the intention and expectation and perception is non-existant; in this respect there can exist a perfect, mediocre album. The other is a more comprehensive and subjective: does the listener perceive it as an epitome of top-grade material - is it subjectively a masterpiece?

So yes, perfect albums exist and not all of them are worthy of a 10.

Music is never 100% objective, therefore an album can never be perfect objectively. While that's clear now, subjectively it might be possible for someone to regard an album as "perfect", but I highly doubt it because perfection means you have literally no complaint whatsoever about the album, meaning you wouldn't change even the smallest thing of an album if you could. If one would truly think a "perfect" album exists, then the definition should be just that. BUT there's always some minor detail in the music that you don't like, so it isn't perfect.

And for the 100th damn time (I've said this many times, not just to you): a masterpiece doesn't need to be "perfect" to be called a masterpiece. A masterpiece is an album that is subjectively brilliant to the listener and like you said "an epitome of top-grade material" but again: it's never perfect. Perfection equals 100%, remember that. My opinion is that the word "perfect" simply cannot be used when it comes to art (music, movies etc.).

Music is never 100% objective, therefore an album can never be perfect objectively. While that's clear now, subjectively it might be possible for someone to regard an album as "perfect", but I highly doubt it because perfection means you have literally no complaint whatsoever about the album, meaning you wouldn't change even the smallest thing of an album if you could. If one would truly think a "perfect" album exists, then the definition should be just that. BUT there's always some minor detail in the music that you don't like, so it isn't perfect.

And for the 100th damn time (I've said this many times, not just to you): a masterpiece doesn't need to be "perfect" to be called a masterpiece. A masterpiece is an album that is subjectively brilliant to the listener and like you said "an epitome of top-grade material" but again: it's never perfect. Perfection equals 100%, remember that. My opinion is that the word "perfect" simply cannot be used when it comes to art (music, movies etc.).

I don't recall writing that music was objective, the criteria I've written are all purely subjective What you're missing out here is that one form of perfection is subject to expectations. Therefore if your expectations are low, you expect to have minute gripes with the album. It serves it purpose and, as such, is perfect. Also, don't you think that perfection exists in the eyes of the creator(s)? I'm certain that no musician of any degree of dignity would put out an album which wasn't to his/her utmost ability.

I don't recall writing that music was objective, the criteria I've written are all purely subjective What you're missing out here is that one form of perfection is subject to expectations. Therefore if your expectations are low, you expect to have minute gripes with the album. It serves it purpose and, as such, is perfect. Also, don't you think that perfection exists in the eyes of the creator(s)? I'm certain that no musician of any degree of dignity would put out an album which wasn't to his/her utmost ability.

Well, I've always said that music is mostly subjective so it's partially objective as well. But fair enough, I guess I brought something not entirely relevant up, even though that's what I think of this matter. I'm not sure, but you could be right that perfection exists in the eyes of the creator. But maybe it's more satisfaction than perfection in their view. I mostly agree with your last sentence, because you said "musician of any degree of dignity". There are a lot of bands that simply release albums to make more money and so they care more about the money than about the quality of their music. But of course in the metal scene that doesn't happen as often as for example in the pop/rock scene.

Well, I've always said that music is mostly subjective so it's partially objective as well. But fair enough, I guess I brought something not entirely relevant up, even though that's what I think of this matter. I'm not sure, but you could be right that perfection exists in the eyes of the creator. But maybe it's more satisfaction than perfection in their view. I mostly agree with your last sentence, because you said "musician of any degree of dignity". There are a lot of bands that simply release albums to make more money and so they care more about the money than about the quality of their music. But of course in the metal scene that doesn't happen as often as for example in the pop/rock scene.

I think a good example would be a revivalist old school death metal band. They bring nothing new to the table, and no one expects them to. Thus it's the perfect OSDM band (or album.) Of course there will be those who think they are missing some elements or whatever, but considering there are countless listeners, one is bound to consider the effort perfect for its intentions. Just thought I'd say that since it illustrates what I think is one form of perfection.

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"You travel within the glory of my memories, insect. I can feel your fear as you tread the endless expanse of my mind. Make yourself comfortable... before long I will decorate my home with your carcass."

An excellent masterpiece, epicness of doomness, simply can not gen enough of this, a band what never will die and maybe did more to doom metal what Black Sabbath after second album , make it more hifger as it was before. A brilliant band, and album
Songs stands out: Solitude, A Sorcerer's Pledge

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I better die, because I never will learn speek english, so I choose dieing

Listened to this album last night and again this morning. What a masterpiece, great songwriting, and performances from beginning to end. It's clear as day to me now that I need to get into doom, one of the genres I've overlooked for so long for some reason. This and Watching From A Distance make for an excellent introduction to the genre.