There was a time where I thought if Sanchez played on a team with some solid talent he would be up to the task of being a fairly competent QB, but nowadays...meh. The whole "he brought the Jets to two AFC title games" has lost its luster. Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

I still feel a bit sorry for David Carr, though. I'm curious as to how we would have turned out had he not gotten destroyed early in Houston.

Wadded Beef:There was a time where I thought if Sanchez played on a team with some solid talent he would be up to the task of being a fairly competent QB, but nowadays...meh. The whole "he brought the Jets to two AFC title games" has lost its luster. Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

I still feel a bit sorry for David Carr, though. I'm curious as to how we would have turned out had he not gotten destroyed early in Houston.

Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

flak attack:Wadded Beef: There was a time where I thought if Sanchez played on a team with some solid talent he would be up to the task of being a fairly competent QB, but nowadays...meh. The whole "he brought the Jets to two AFC title games" has lost its luster. Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

I still feel a bit sorry for David Carr, though. I'm curious as to how we would have turned out had he not gotten destroyed early in Houston.

Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

flak attack:Wadded Beef: There was a time where I thought if Sanchez played on a team with some solid talent he would be up to the task of being a fairly competent QB, but nowadays...meh. The whole "he brought the Jets to two AFC title games" has lost its luster. Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

I still feel a bit sorry for David Carr, though. I'm curious as to how we would have turned out had he not gotten destroyed early in Houston.

Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

I hope Rex manages to stay around for the entire season. For the lulz.

The Slush:I hope Rex manages to stay around for the entire season. For the lulz.

Did I tell you guys about the time a couple of days ago when I was waiting on my car at the fancy car wash & they had ESPN on & they were showing the Rex Ryan press conference & I was sitting next to the door so I could hear the music they were playing outside (I told you it was fancy) & the song was Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are?" Aaaaaaah, it was so perfect.

Thing is, goofy and stupid plays happen all of the time and are forgotten. It wasn't until someone actually coined the term "butt fumble" that this became so hilarious. I almost feel sorry for Sanchez for having to be eternally be mocked for it. But if he were a better quarterback people would have shrugged it off by now.

ten foiled hats:Wadded Beef: Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

QFT

And, most importantly I think, something like 4 of the 5 starters on that oline were first rounders. Arguably the best oline in football at the time. A great oline can make even a shiatty quarterback look better, and its amazing what it can do for a running game!

dickfreckle:Thing is, goofy and stupid plays happen all of the time and are forgotten. It wasn't until someone actually coined the term "butt fumble" that this became so hilarious. I almost feel sorry for Sanchez for having to be eternally be mocked for it. But if he were a better quarterback people would have shrugged it off by now.

flak attack:Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

Why is that Rex Ryan's responsibility and not the offensive coordinator or quarterbacks' coach's problem?

dickfreckle:Thing is, goofy and stupid plays happen all of the time and are forgotten. It wasn't until someone actually coined the term "butt fumble" that this became so hilarious. I almost feel sorry for Sanchez for having to be eternally be mocked for it. But if he were a better quarterback people would have shrugged it off by now.

No, I think we'd still laugh about it because it was really stupid. But if Sanchez was actually good, we'd be laughing with him instead of at him.

flak attack:Wadded Beef: There was a time where I thought if Sanchez played on a team with some solid talent he would be up to the task of being a fairly competent QB, but nowadays...meh. The whole "he brought the Jets to two AFC title games" has lost its luster. Makes me think most QBs could have done the same thing with the D the Jets had then.

I still feel a bit sorry for David Carr, though. I'm curious as to how we would have turned out had he not gotten destroyed early in Houston.

Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

I think Sanchez might have done alright if he hadn't turned pro after one freaking season starting in college. That was one of the biggest example of hubris I can think of in pro sports from the past ten years.

The Jets of course were fools to trade up for then starting a QB with one year starting in college.

Brokenseas:I think Sanchez might have done alright if he hadn't turned pro after one freaking season starting in college.

In fairness, he saw what happened to Leinart almost immediately before him - went from likely No. 1 to barely in the top 10. And that was still when rookies made stacks on stacks, so it's best to get out while the getting's good.

Brokenseas:The Jets of course were fools to trade up for then starting a QB with one year starting in college.

Remember when people were calling Carroll a fool for saying he wasn't ready?

/in fairness, it's not like he'd have been more ready after another year

IAmRight:flak attack: Honestly, I think Sanchez might have done alright if he had played for a coach that knew anything about offense. Rex Ryan can do well with defenses for sure, but DC is his ceiling. He's no head coach.

Why is that Rex Ryan's responsibility and not the offensive coordinator or quarterbacks' coach's problem?

degenerate-afro:It was coined "ButtFumble" in the thread that the game happened about 5 minutes after the fail completed. Someone had made it a Jersey by the game the next week.

That's a terrific thread. I think it's still underrated the play that happened immediately afterwards, where the kickoff returner fumbled the ball directly into a Patriot player's hands for ANOTHER touchdown. Within seven minutes (not game minutes, real-world minutes, which probably includes five minutes of commercials), the game went from "Eh, the Jets look bad but they're still in it" to, and I quote Primitive Screwhead, "HahahahhhahahahhzhhahHahHahahahhahahahahahhahahahha"