Vice President Joe Biden, in remarks today before a meeting on guns, suggested the Obama administration is seriously considering outlawing unregulated "private" gun sales:"And so the kinds of things that there´s an emerging set of recommendations, not coming from me but coming from the groups we´ve met with," said Biden today, before a closed door meeting on gun control. "And I´m going to focus on the ones that relate primarily to gun ownership and the type of weapons can be owned. And one is,

They can’t keep track of a couple hundred weapons in Mexico or food stamp spending, but they think they’ll be able to oversee 600,000,000 privately owned firearms? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

And so the kinds of things that there´s an emerging set of recommendations, not coming from me but coming from the groups we´ve met with," said Biden today...

That's a truck load of horse crap. They know exactly what they want to do and Joe is simply going through the motions. And guess what, to outlaw something means the legislative branch has to be involved. His imperial greatness, Great Leader, cannot pass laws. That's not his job.

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posted on 01/10/2013 1:06:21 PM PST
by AD from SpringBay
(We deserve the government we allow.)

So how will the ONE and Half ((Obamao+Biden) get the law breakers to obey registration laws, size of magazine clips, type of weapon etc.? They can’t! By definition the law breakers do not obey any laws.

I have no problem with checking criminal background checks for law abiding citizens if they will show me first how they will control the firearms of the law breaking criminals.

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posted on 01/10/2013 1:20:59 PM PST
by entropy12
(The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)

Checks on private sales means that when the jackboots come to collect your gun you could no longer plausibly say that it was sold to a private party. It makes registration and confiscation a real possibility.

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posted on 01/10/2013 1:57:26 PM PST
by Brooklyn Attitude
(Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)

Dont doubt they will and can do it. recall the fed laws against selling kids toys at garage sales.

I don't know / didn't know about some supposed fed law over selling kids toys at garage sales, but it seems like the 40 dozen or so garage sales every year within a mile radius of my house, I see kids toys at just about every garage sale. If this is a federal law, then it appears that nearly every garage sale I see is unaware of it. What, is some federal gestapo agent or agency supposed to be policing garage sales across the US? Good luck with that!

And now that I am aware of this supposed law, I will be sure to once again include kids toys in my garage sales, as I have always done!

The primary reason any government wants a list of who has possession of what is so the government can either take the property or extort money from the “owner” as a condition of being allowed to possess the item for a time.

Weapons registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation by a government that then murders its disarmed citizen-subjects.

But, for some reason there are still idiots that show up at the police station to register their guns for no reason.

I dis-remember the city, but there was an article about it. Anyhow the local police in the city started storing gun information because so many people kept showing up at the station wanting to register their firearm. The cop they interviewed was like 'I don't understand it, it's nobody's business you own a gun.' He expressed frustration that some people just would not understand no matter how many times they were told it wasn't necessary.

It's like the people that see a sign "Open seven days a week," and still ask the clerk - "hey, are you open on Sundays too?"

Unfortunately, those idiots vote and think we should be just as stupid as them.

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posted on 01/10/2013 3:01:55 PM PST
by Repeat Offender
(What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)

Here in SC when you go to a gun show folks walk around with signs on their backs advertising whatever they brought with them to sell and tables are set up for private sales of guns. The result they are looking for is to make it criminal to have those private sale tables and to bring your own guns to sell by just hanging the rifle on your shoulder with a price tag or even for handguns.

Currently we are allowed to sell or trade guns privately and a gun show is a good place to market them without the instrusion of the government. If this passes we will have to worry about undercover federal cops trying to entrap us.

Private handgun sales or transfers in NC have required a permit for close to 20 years now.

That is true as far as it goes.

One must obtain a permit from the Sheriff to purchase a pistol. This requires filling out a questionnaire, paying a $10 fee. The Sheriff does a background check with the State NCIS. If approved, you are issued a permit to buy, signed by the Sheriff. You don't have to use it or turn it back unused but it does have an expiration date. It is not specific for any gun, but it can only be used to buy a single handgun whether from a public or private seller. If it is from a private seller, the seller keeps the permit after the sale. If it is an FFL, he keeps the permit with his records.

There is no requirement to either file the permit with the Sheriff or buyer/seller (private sale) to register the firearm or turn in any paperwork afterward. The seller is supposed to keep the permit, indefinitely, to show it was a legitimate sale if he is ever asked.

Alternatively, if one has a CHL license issued it is signed by the Sheriff. The background checks have already been done so one does not need the $10 permit to buy a handgun. The CHL allows him to buy any amount of handguns off a private or FFL seller. The CHL holder must show the private seller his CHL but no paperwork is exchanged. Likewise, there is no record of the transaction except a bill of sale or whatever is exchanged by the buyer and seller.

That's pretty loose. Hardly draconian.

Rifles and shotguns are completely unregulated unless buying/selling through an FFL in which case he does an NCIS check and fills out the standard BATF forms.

Now these fiends want to put every honest citizen in a straighjacket with everything registered. It won't "solve" any problems, but that is not the point. The point is stifling sales and registration, which leads ultimately to either heavy taxation or confiscation.

If one needs a poster child, go admire New York City, Washington DC, or Chicago. It has worked out very well for the criminals and the city governments (but, I repeat myself) but not the honest citizens.

The *only* way private gun sales can be regulated is that if *both* the seller and the buyer, *and* the gun, are registered with the government.

And I don’t mean just a background check where the government either requires gun sellers to preserve all the information so it can be obtained at government request; or conveniently “forgets” to not destroy the information when it is supposed to.

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