As a Phillies fan, what is it i'm not liking about this trade? Are you just happy with the return or do you think JT is overrated?

Nah, JT's the best catcher in baseball, but he wasn't signing an extension to stay in Miami and Marlins Park actually murdered his numbers (just wait to see him put up 30 HR's a year playing in CBP.)

I'm thrilled with the return, Sanchez is a legit top SP prospect with ace upside and the only knock on him is his conditioning, but he's only 19. Alfaro is a fantastic defensive catcher who I watched a ton in Allentown and Reading in '16-17 and I feel like he only has room to grow (and is under club control for 4 seasons.) Anything else they get (Moniak? Garcia?) is a bonus.

Oh ok, cool. Sixto Sanchez (coolest name in sports) is our top prospect, it's tough to part with him, but Phillies are looking to compete now. Also pretty convenient that Harper and Realmuto are good friends.

Oh ok, cool. Sixto Sanchez (coolest name in sports) is our top prospect, it's tough to part with him, but Phillies are looking to compete now. Also pretty convenient that Harper and Realmuto are good friends.

It certainly doesn't hurt. I think the Phillies are going to overpay a tad since it's an in-division trade, but I also don't see the Marlins putting up a fight until 2021 at the earliest, so by then, Realmuto's existing deal is done, so no real coulda woulda shoulda on Miami's end.

Either way, I'm excited for baseball season once this deal finally gets done.

The Marlins weren't going to get a better deal than a ML ready player, a top prospect, a third piece and bonus pool money.

Meh, I haven't been impressed with Alfaro. And for a young pitching prospect to have knocks on his conditioning (i.e., dedication) and had elbow issues this past year, Sixto Sanchez doesn't seem like a great score to me. (But awesome name). But hey, it's your team so if you're happy (or just drinking the kool-aid), good for you!

Meh, I haven't been impressed with Alfaro. And for a young pitching prospect to have knocks on his conditioning (i.e., dedication) and had elbow issues this past year, Sixto Sanchez doesn't seem like a great score to me. (But awesome name). But hey, it's your team so if you're happy (or just drinking the kool-aid), good for you!

Jose Fernandez had "conditioning issues," too. Alfaro's arm/defense is top notch and if he can get his strikeout ratio down, he'll be in the top tier of catchers.....plus, Realmuto wanted 160M+; Marlins were offering ~$60M. That's a chasm that they weren't going to close. Like I said, this is the best possible return for a guy who's gone in a year anyway.

The Marlins weren't going to get a better deal than a ML ready player, a top prospect, a third piece and bonus pool money.

Disagree, there were talks of the Mets trading Degrom or Syndergaard at one point to get him, and talks of yankees trading gary sanchez and andujar for him. They definitley didn't get top pieces back, but it's not like they got nothing, either, Sanchez is a top prospect. That being said, Jeter really hasn't done a great job so far overall imo.

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Disagree, there were talks of the Mets trading Degrom or Syndergaard at one point to get him, and talks of yankees trading gary sanchez and andujar for him. They definitley didn't get top pieces back, but it's not like they got nothing, either, Sanchez is a top prospect. That being said, Jeter really hasn't done a great job so far overall imo.

The Mets weren't ever going to trade their aces for him and the Yankees would've likely traded one of Sanchez (whom I can't stand) or Andujar, but not both. I feel like that's all hearsay until the negotiations get close, and when they got close, the Mets and Yankees (and Dodgers, where JT would've been a great fit,) were nowhere to be found.

The teams submitting the 'best offers' to the end were the Phillies, Braves, Padres and Reds. Braves weren't willing to part with any top prospects, Phillies offered Sanchez+ and that was better than the prospects the Reds were offering, in the end.

Jose Fernandez had "conditioning issues," too. Alfaro's arm/defense is top notch and if he can get his strikeout ratio down, he'll be in the top tier of catchers.....plus, Realmuto wanted 160M+; Marlins were offering ~$60M. That's a chasm that they weren't going to close. Like I said, this is the best possible return for a guy who's gone in a year anyway.

Alfaro had a 4% walk rate and 60% Contact rate last year. Heís gonna have to learn how to hit the ball if he even wants to sniff anywhere close to ďtop tier of catchersĒ. Sanchez is a total toss up, who knows. (And, not that itís a huge difference for this sake but Realmuto had 2 more years of control, not one).

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That's so sad. It's amazing to me that there are people actually arguing against the protective netting.

Yup. It should have been everywhere long ago. Glad Citi Field has it now.

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They asked for Andujar and Sanchez, the Yankees were never gonna give up either.

Yup, Marlins probably could have gotten Andujar. They overplayed their hand. Mets and Yankees both moved on.