Nigel Farage says Buckinghamshire voters are turning to UKIP because of HS2

UKIP Leader Nigel Farage told Chesham and Amersham MP Cheryl Gillan in a live televised today debate many of her constituents were turning to his party because of the Tories' stance on HS2.

Both politicians appeared on today's Daily Politics show on BBC Two, with Conservative Mrs Gillan being joined by members of the Labour party and the Lib Dems to discuss a possible role for UKIP in future coalitions Governments.

Recent opinion polls suggest up to 16 per cent of voters would be prepared to vote for the party - leading to speculation they could be needed to form a coalition with the Lib Dems' popularity waning.

During today's show Mrs Gillan dismissed UKIP were "a bit of a one issue wonder" regarding Europe, to which Mr Farage replied: "We're against HS2, which your party's not, and that's why we're getting so many votes in your constituency."

In replying "I'm with you Nigel" Mrs Gillan reiterated she was against the controversial project, to which the UKIP leader quipped: "There's a new coalition breaking out."

Mrs Gillan said however all the major political parties should sit up and take note of UKIP's rise in popularity.

She said: "They are starting to broaden their base. We've got to take UKIP seriously - I take UKIP very seriously. All parties should take a party that's taken 16 per cent of the poll seriously."

Having earlier spoken of UKIP's stance on Europe, Mrs Gillan added later: "The time has come for us to look at the relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union. I don't want to see particularly an in/out choice because I don't believe in an empty chair policy in Europe."

Mr Farage stood against House of Commons Speaker John Bercow in the Buckingham constituency at the last General Election but was beaten into third place in the poll.

He has also campaigned in Bucks on a frequent basis after saying his party is the only one that has consistently been opposed to HS2 - a hot political topic in the county, with the line set to cut through the Chilterns Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty if the scheme is given the go-ahead.

Alternatively - He's the only party leader who tells the truth, and means everything he says.

The only leader that we can trust.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]Alternatively - He's the only party leader who tells the truth, and means everything he says.
The only leader that we can trust.A VOTER

So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???

I don't think so.

[quote][p][bold]cw1989[/bold] wrote:
You have my vote Nigel.
I campaigned for the Conservatives at the 2010 General Election. Never again. I wasn’t told they would cut disability benefits, slash our armed forces, increase our EU payments, treble tuition fees, double foreign aid, cut nurse numbers, introduce gay marriage without any mandate, penalise savers, cut pensioners incomes, lower our living standards or fail to limit immigration.[/p][/quote]lower our living standards
vote for this creature and this will happen.
So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???
I don't think so.miccles

So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.Bill Taxpayer

So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.

"The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”

If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.

Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???

Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.

[quote][p][bold]Bill Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.[/p][/quote]"The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”
If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.
Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???
Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.miccles

Yes because everyone knows that the only thing Mr Farage and UKIP offer is an oposition to HS2... The party are on 12-16% in the polls so clearly their message is resonating with the public.

Goodness at least Nigel seems to actually listen and understand public concerns, far more than can be said of any of the other leaders.

Yes because everyone knows that the only thing Mr Farage and UKIP offer is an oposition to HS2... The party are on 12-16% in the polls so clearly their message is resonating with the public.
Goodness at least Nigel seems to actually listen and understand public concerns, far more than can be said of any of the other leaders.cw1989

So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.

&quot;The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”

If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.

Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???

Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.

I don't think it's the dodgy HS2 deal that's increasing the UKIP poll vote to 16%.
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UKIP came 2nd and 3rd in two recent parliamentary by-elections soundly beating the LibDems twice and the Conservatives once.. I don't think the proposed HS2 went anywhere near those 2 constituencies.
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A bit more statistical / geographic / political research is maybe needed above.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bill Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.[/p][/quote]"The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”
If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.
Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???
Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.[/p][/quote]I don't think it's the dodgy HS2 deal that's increasing the UKIP poll vote to 16%.
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UKIP came 2nd and 3rd in two recent parliamentary by-elections soundly beating the LibDems twice and the Conservatives once.. I don't think the proposed HS2 went anywhere near those 2 constituencies.
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A bit more statistical / geographic / political research is maybe needed above.J B Blackett

None of this was in their manifesto for very obvious reasons, also not one person in this country voted for a coalition. Democracy my arse.
we are all in this together, unless you earn a combined 98,000 then you can keep your child benefit. Why on earth are people earning over 50,000 getting Child benefit in the first place and how many have or will give it up?

[quote][p][bold]cw1989[/bold] wrote:
You have my vote Nigel.
I campaigned for the Conservatives at the 2010 General Election. Never again. I wasn’t told they would cut disability benefits, slash our armed forces, increase our EU payments, treble tuition fees, double foreign aid, cut nurse numbers, introduce gay marriage without any mandate, penalise savers, cut pensioners incomes, lower our living standards or fail to limit immigration.[/p][/quote]None of this was in their manifesto for very obvious reasons, also not one person in this country voted for a coalition. Democracy my arse.
we are all in this together, unless you earn a combined 98,000 then you can keep your child benefit. Why on earth are people earning over 50,000 getting Child benefit in the first place and how many have or will give it up?sparky49

Actually neither could I have predicted we would have two out-of-touch, remote, millionaire, anti-democratic promise-breaking , class-conscious , blustering , untrustworthy , inept ex-public school boys running this divided country.
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Who would have thought it ?

Actually neither could I have predicted we would have two out-of-touch, remote, millionaire, anti-democratic promise-breaking , class-conscious , blustering , untrustworthy , inept ex-public school boys running this divided country.
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Who would have thought it ?J B Blackett

So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.

&quot;The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”

If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.

Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???

Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.

Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bill Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.[/p][/quote]"The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”
If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.
Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???
Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.[/p][/quote]Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.sparky49

sparky49 wrote:
Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.

Not the fault of any other party, so maybe Labour is the party with the most fault. Plus, it was Labour that sold our gold at stupidly low prices, and it was Labour that spent billions on an illegal war.

Hmmm.... Labour has a bad record as far as I can tell...

[quote][bold]sparky49 [/bold] wrote:
Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.[/quote] Not the fault of any other party, so maybe Labour is the party with the most fault. Plus, it was Labour that sold our gold at stupidly low prices, and it was Labour that spent billions on an illegal war.
Hmmm.... Labour has a bad record as far as I can tell...A VOTER

People aren't turning to UKIP because of HS2 .... they're turning because of the broken promises of the current coalition and the total disaster that was B-liar and Brown. The public have lost faith in the whole political process hence more people vote on x-factor than in an election. They say they're voting for Farage, not because he's any good but because the alternative is more distasteful ....

People aren't turning to UKIP because of HS2 .... they're turning because of the broken promises of the current coalition and the total disaster that was B-liar and Brown. The public have lost faith in the whole political process hence more people vote on x-factor than in an election. They say they're voting for Farage, not because he's any good but because the alternative is more distasteful ....Stand up for England

So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???

I don't think so.

Do you have anything to offer besides name-calling and nay-saying?

You have not contributed one cogent criticism of Nigel Farage or UKIP in three posts.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cw1989[/bold] wrote:
You have my vote Nigel.
I campaigned for the Conservatives at the 2010 General Election. Never again. I wasn’t told they would cut disability benefits, slash our armed forces, increase our EU payments, treble tuition fees, double foreign aid, cut nurse numbers, introduce gay marriage without any mandate, penalise savers, cut pensioners incomes, lower our living standards or fail to limit immigration.[/p][/quote]lower our living standards
vote for this creature and this will happen.
So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???
I don't think so.[/p][/quote]Do you have anything to offer besides name-calling and nay-saying?
You have not contributed one cogent criticism of Nigel Farage or UKIP in three posts.authentic8

Someone mentioned that boring old chestnut about Labour selling our gold reserves, i get so bored of hearing that when those same people do not seem to remember conveniently that the Cons sold them just before Labour got into power! So i guess it was down to Labour that there were any to sell in the first place!! I like so many others have been waiting for a viable alternative as none of the 3 known main parties can offer anything in the way of good leadership. Nigel Farage is the answer! We need to stop being dictated to by a german europe that is for sure, bail out would be the best idea. So whereas no-one got my vote before, Nigel does. And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!!

Someone mentioned that boring old chestnut about Labour selling our gold reserves, i get so bored of hearing that when those same people do not seem to remember conveniently that the Cons sold them just before Labour got into power! So i guess it was down to Labour that there were any to sell in the first place!! I like so many others have been waiting for a viable alternative as none of the 3 known main parties can offer anything in the way of good leadership. Nigel Farage is the answer! We need to stop being dictated to by a german europe that is for sure, bail out would be the best idea. So whereas no-one got my vote before, Nigel does. And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!!Brixham Smith

Well we all know that the 3 so called main parties have nothing to offer so we need something fresh anyway! And Miccles you have not forgot why we have a coalition government which none of us voted for have you? ie Labour won!! Votes for any of the old parties will be wasted votes at the next election. Update yourself!

Well we all know that the 3 so called main parties have nothing to offer so we need something fresh anyway! And Miccles you have not forgot why we have a coalition government which none of us voted for have you? ie Labour won!! Votes for any of the old parties will be wasted votes at the next election. Update yourself!Brixham Smith

So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???

I don't think so.

Do you have anything to offer besides name-calling and nay-saying?

You have not contributed one cogent criticism of Nigel Farage or UKIP in three posts.

and you are???

[quote][p][bold]authentic8[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cw1989[/bold] wrote:
You have my vote Nigel.
I campaigned for the Conservatives at the 2010 General Election. Never again. I wasn’t told they would cut disability benefits, slash our armed forces, increase our EU payments, treble tuition fees, double foreign aid, cut nurse numbers, introduce gay marriage without any mandate, penalise savers, cut pensioners incomes, lower our living standards or fail to limit immigration.[/p][/quote]lower our living standards
vote for this creature and this will happen.
So you reckon Mr Wonderful Farage can do all the things that you say the tories fail to do???
I don't think so.[/p][/quote]Do you have anything to offer besides name-calling and nay-saying?
You have not contributed one cogent criticism of Nigel Farage or UKIP in three posts.[/p][/quote]and you are???miccles

So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.

&quot;The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”

If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.

Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???

Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.

Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.

at least im not a socialist like you.

[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bill Taxpayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
What a complete baffoon this bloke is.[/p][/quote]So you like Cameron's Big Society idea do you? You like HS2? London to Birmingham 16 minutes quicker - to do what? You like Cameron closing all the libraries or getting volunteers to do paid workers out of jobs? You think it's great that the Conservatives put University fees up to £9,000 a year?
The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.[/p][/quote]"The Conservatives have long since had the last vote they will ever get from me. This 'buffoon' as you call him, is the only one talking any sense.”
If you want someone to blame, blame the last Labour goverment, and i'm sure they won't be that upset that you are not going to vote for them anymore.
Can you honestly see a bloke like this in some sort of power???
Lets face it, if it wasn't for HS2, nobody would give him the time of day.[/p][/quote]Ah yes the tory default blame Labour, as we know they were also responsible for the worlds economy collapsing. Remember nearly every country (apart from Australia) followed the same economic strategy resulting in most countries suffering, hardly the Labour party's fault.[/p][/quote]at least im not a socialist like you.miccles

He can't help his looks. Only plastic surgery surgery could change that - not usually available on the NHS. Perhaps you are referring to his dress style / jacket lapels
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Making personal remarks about someone's appearance does not really add to the political debate.
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However a 31% flat rate tax will not solve any problems - except free up a few Inland Revenue resources.
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The whole tax and benefit system is an actual total mess - illogical , unfair and favours certain groups at the expense of others. The whole system has now got out of step as regards affordability and has become unsustainable.
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Too much politicised tinkering and the creation of built-in instability over the years by all parties has create a creature that even 'our masters' can no longer control.
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So this Frankenstein money monster will career on and stagger about until it self-destructs and brings the whole system to an end. The trouble is that a lot of entirely innocent people are going to get hurt in the process.

He can't help his looks. Only plastic surgery surgery could change that - not usually available on the NHS. Perhaps you are referring to his dress style / jacket lapels
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Making personal remarks about someone's appearance does not really add to the political debate.
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However a 31% flat rate tax will not solve any problems - except free up a few Inland Revenue resources.
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The whole tax and benefit system is an actual total mess - illogical , unfair and favours certain groups at the expense of others. The whole system has now got out of step as regards affordability and has become unsustainable.
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Too much politicised tinkering and the creation of built-in instability over the years by all parties has create a creature that even 'our masters' can no longer control.
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So this Frankenstein money monster will career on and stagger about until it self-destructs and brings the whole system to an end. The trouble is that a lot of entirely innocent people are going to get hurt in the process.J B Blackett

sai-diva wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.

Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?

Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?

To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.

FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.

So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?

[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.[/p][/quote]Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?
Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?
To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.
FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.
So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?A VOTER

Brixham Smith wrote:
Someone mentioned that boring old chestnut about Labour selling our gold reserves, i get so bored of hearing that when those same people do not seem to remember conveniently that the Cons sold them just before Labour got into power! So i guess it was down to Labour that there were any to sell in the first place!! I like so many others have been waiting for a viable alternative as none of the 3 known main parties can offer anything in the way of good leadership. Nigel Farage is the answer! We need to stop being dictated to by a german europe that is for sure, bail out would be the best idea. So whereas no-one got my vote before, Nigel does. And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!!

"And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!!

What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.

[quote][p][bold]Brixham Smith[/bold] wrote:
Someone mentioned that boring old chestnut about Labour selling our gold reserves, i get so bored of hearing that when those same people do not seem to remember conveniently that the Cons sold them just before Labour got into power! So i guess it was down to Labour that there were any to sell in the first place!! I like so many others have been waiting for a viable alternative as none of the 3 known main parties can offer anything in the way of good leadership. Nigel Farage is the answer! We need to stop being dictated to by a german europe that is for sure, bail out would be the best idea. So whereas no-one got my vote before, Nigel does. And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!![/p][/quote]"And i believe by the time of the next general election if we wait that long i think the polls will be closer to 50% for UKIP so no coalition will be necessary. Nigel is our next prime minister and i certainly cannot wait for that!! So wake up n smell the coffee i say!!
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.miccles

miccles wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.

With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.

[quote][bold] miccles [/bold] wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories. [/quote] With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.A VOTER

miccles wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.

With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.

Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party.

Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.

[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold] miccles [/bold] wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories. [/quote] With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party.
Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.miccles

miccles wrote: What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.

With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.

Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party. Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.

Three main parties, yes.

But if the Lib dems get the expected and deserved hiding at the next general election, who do you think might be third?

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold] miccles [/bold] wrote: What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories. [/quote] With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party. Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.[/p][/quote]Three main parties, yes.
But if the Lib dems get the expected and deserved hiding at the next general election, who do you think might be third?Bill Taxpayer

Good to see that i am not the only one smelling the coffee here! Seems the majority of us are in agreement as will the next election show. A party that is gaining support from previous tory and labour voters is set for a landslide. Luckily the miccles of this world are the minority it seems. That alone fills my heart with hope! At the moment this country is heading for third world status long gone is the British empire, sadly.

Good to see that i am not the only one smelling the coffee here! Seems the majority of us are in agreement as will the next election show. A party that is gaining support from previous tory and labour voters is set for a landslide. Luckily the miccles of this world are the minority it seems. That alone fills my heart with hope! At the moment this country is heading for third world status long gone is the British empire, sadly.Brixham Smith

miccles wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories.

With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.

Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party.

Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.

Well according to English / British history there haven't always been 3 main parties.
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For a long time there weren't any at all - ie None . Just dictators , warring factions and assorted rebel gangs - some of whom were tortured and executed in varied horrendous ways.
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The socialist parties gradually evolved into a stable existence only at the beginning of the 20th century. Before that it was Whigs and Tories and Royalists and Parliamentarians and a few other odds and sods
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Before that it was various imposed dictatorships or kings or queens or a mixture of foreign invaders who imposed their cruel dogmatic regimes on the English / British and more or less enslaved them by brute force.
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There have been several periods of years when no parties were countenance democratically - not just in royalty / feudal / serfdom days but during Cromwell's time and even more recently during WWII.
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Some people even think that nowadays a corrupt self-serving dictatorial anti-democratic alien regime now runs and imposes itself on nearly European all countries.
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There is always some arrogant pompous b******d telling other people what to do and think ... Or Else ........
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I blame Ghengis Khan and Julius Caesar - and their associates in the devious untrustworthy Blair / Cameron / Clegg Gangs.
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Trouble is you only find out what people are really like if and when they are handed a bit of power. Before that it's just hot air and false promises. Nigel Farage may turn out to be no different.

[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold] miccles [/bold] wrote:
What a pathetic statement, i think everyone knows that this will never be the case, i think you should go back to fairyland and read some more stories. [/quote] With the high levels of dissatisfaction, and disillusionment with the current three parties, combined with previous very low voter turnouts, it is probable that more than currently expected voters will switch to UKIP, combined with a resurgent of previously inactive voters looking to change the status quo that is destroying this country, who will swell the UKIP voting numbers.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but look at it logically, there will always be 3 main parties, there always has been and always will, sorry but i just dont agree, this imaganitive party will never become a major political party.
Do we want to end up like Spain, Greece etc, thats what will happen.[/p][/quote]Well according to English / British history there haven't always been 3 main parties.
.
For a long time there weren't any at all - ie None . Just dictators , warring factions and assorted rebel gangs - some of whom were tortured and executed in varied horrendous ways.
.
The socialist parties gradually evolved into a stable existence only at the beginning of the 20th century. Before that it was Whigs and Tories and Royalists and Parliamentarians and a few other odds and sods
.
Before that it was various imposed dictatorships or kings or queens or a mixture of foreign invaders who imposed their cruel dogmatic regimes on the English / British and more or less enslaved them by brute force.
.
There have been several periods of years when no parties were countenance democratically - not just in royalty / feudal / serfdom days but during Cromwell's time and even more recently during WWII.
.
Some people even think that nowadays a corrupt self-serving dictatorial anti-democratic alien regime now runs and imposes itself on nearly European all countries.
.
There is always some arrogant pompous b******d telling other people what to do and think ... Or Else ........
.
I blame Ghengis Khan and Julius Caesar - and their associates in the devious untrustworthy Blair / Cameron / Clegg Gangs.
.
Trouble is you only find out what people are really like if and when they are handed a bit of power. Before that it's just hot air and false promises. Nigel Farage may turn out to be no different.J B Blackett

Brixham Smith wrote:
Good to see that i am not the only one smelling the coffee here! Seems the majority of us are in agreement as will the next election show. A party that is gaining support from previous tory and labour voters is set for a landslide. Luckily the miccles of this world are the minority it seems. That alone fills my heart with hope! At the moment this country is heading for third world status long gone is the British empire, sadly.

I couldn't give two ***** if im in the minority, dont know where you suddenly sprung up from, maybe you should go back there.

I am entitled to say what i like, so if you don't like it, you know what you can do, dont you,

[quote][p][bold]Brixham Smith[/bold] wrote:
Good to see that i am not the only one smelling the coffee here! Seems the majority of us are in agreement as will the next election show. A party that is gaining support from previous tory and labour voters is set for a landslide. Luckily the miccles of this world are the minority it seems. That alone fills my heart with hope! At the moment this country is heading for third world status long gone is the British empire, sadly.[/p][/quote]I couldn't give two ***** if im in the minority, dont know where you suddenly sprung up from, maybe you should go back there.
I am entitled to say what i like, so if you don't like it, you know what you can do, dont you,miccles

sai-diva wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.

Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?

Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?

To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.

FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.

So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?

Yes you're quite right, I was being a bit mischievous as I do find this man to be a bit of a buffoon, but Boris made it to Mayor, so maybe I should take this seriously.
The threshold you quote is no longer accurate, and i seem to remember that this government is committed to raising that to £10,000.
You will have to explain to why you think that abolishing employers NI will boost employment.
I also don't understand why you feel that 31% will be better for everyone,£11500 is way below the average, therefore majority, wage.Are ukip intending to make this the rate for corporation tax as well?

[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.[/p][/quote]Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?
Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?
To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.
FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.
So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?[/p][/quote]Yes you're quite right, I was being a bit mischievous as I do find this man to be a bit of a buffoon, but Boris made it to Mayor, so maybe I should take this seriously.
The threshold you quote is no longer accurate, and i seem to remember that this government is committed to raising that to £10,000.
You will have to explain to why you think that abolishing employers NI will boost employment.
I also don't understand why you feel that 31% will be better for everyone,£11500 is way below the average, therefore majority, wage.Are ukip intending to make this the rate for corporation tax as well?sai-diva

sai-diva wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.

Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?

Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?

To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.

FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.

So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?

Yes you're quite right, I was being a bit mischievous as I do find this man to be a bit of a buffoon, but Boris made it to Mayor, so maybe I should take this seriously.
The threshold you quote is no longer accurate, and i seem to remember that this government is committed to raising that to £10,000.
You will have to explain to why you think that abolishing employers NI will boost employment.
I also don't understand why you feel that 31% will be better for everyone,£11500 is way below the average, therefore majority, wage.Are ukip intending to make this the rate for corporation tax as well?

The tax threshold that I have quoted is correct according to the government’s own website. (I checked today)

If UKIP abolish employers N.I. then it will be noticeably cheaper, and therefore easier to employ more people.

The flat rate 31% is essentially the same base rate that we are currently paying for Income tax (20%) plus National Insurance (11%). However, increasing the lower threshold from £8,105 to £11,500 means that everyone benefits, by not having to pay 20% income tax on the difference of £3,395, which equates to an additional £679 per year. Then there’s also the difference in the National insurance lower threshold of £5,564, where everyone pays 11% on earned income above that figure. So by raising the threshold to £11,500, the difference is £5,936, so we’re all better off by £652.96 per year. Combine those two figures, and everyone earning over £11,500 is better off by £1,331.96 per year, or £110.96 per month.

Do you still not like the UKIP flat rate tax proposal?

[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote:
Flat rate tax of 31%, let me think about that.
No thanks Nige, besides I could never vote for a bloke who looks like a second hand car salesman.[/p][/quote]Oh come on sai-diva, you're better than that. I have admired many of your posts, which are normally well constructed, and have much merit to them. But to base your voting preferences on the visual appearance of a candidate? Really?
Why not instead discuss the merits of each candidate based on what they really aim to achieve, and also, the value you place on their ability to be honest?
To the best of my knowledge, the flat rate 31% tax that you quote is relatively correct, and is suggested to simplify the current tax system, which is outdated, overly bureaucratic and therefore very costly to administer. However, the UKIP taxation proposal is based on combining the current base rate of 20% tax, with the current 11% national insurance, to create a 31% flat rate on all earned income over £11,500. The current lower threshold is £8,105, so the UKIP taxation system benefits everyone, and proportionally more so the very low earners who benefit by the threshold increase.
FYI, UKIP also plan to abolish the employers national insurance contributions, in order to boost employment and make employing people simpler.
So, the 31% income tax headline is actually better for everyone… Why would anyone object to that?[/p][/quote]Yes you're quite right, I was being a bit mischievous as I do find this man to be a bit of a buffoon, but Boris made it to Mayor, so maybe I should take this seriously.
The threshold you quote is no longer accurate, and i seem to remember that this government is committed to raising that to £10,000.
You will have to explain to why you think that abolishing employers NI will boost employment.
I also don't understand why you feel that 31% will be better for everyone,£11500 is way below the average, therefore majority, wage.Are ukip intending to make this the rate for corporation tax as well?[/p][/quote]The tax threshold that I have quoted is correct according to the government’s own website. (I checked today)
If UKIP abolish employers N.I. then it will be noticeably cheaper, and therefore easier to employ more people.
The flat rate 31% is essentially the same base rate that we are currently paying for Income tax (20%) plus National Insurance (11%). However, increasing the lower threshold from £8,105 to £11,500 means that everyone benefits, by not having to pay 20% income tax on the difference of £3,395, which equates to an additional £679 per year. Then there’s also the difference in the National insurance lower threshold of £5,564, where everyone pays 11% on earned income above that figure. So by raising the threshold to £11,500, the difference is £5,936, so we’re all better off by £652.96 per year. Combine those two figures, and everyone earning over £11,500 is better off by £1,331.96 per year, or £110.96 per month.
Do you still not like the UKIP flat rate tax proposal?A VOTER

I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!buftonp13

buftonp13 wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes build it. It is needed.

[quote][p][bold]buftonp13[/bold] wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yes build it. It is needed.sparky49

Good thinking, Britain will have the best work force in europe building HS2, mainly from Poland, Spain and Greece, the Germans and French will likely get the contracts for the rolling stock and the steel will probably come from India. Yes, Europeans will benefit not to sure Wycombe and the chilterns will.

Good thinking, Britain will have the best work force in europe building HS2, mainly from Poland, Spain and Greece, the Germans and French will likely get the contracts for the rolling stock and the steel will probably come from India. Yes, Europeans will benefit not to sure Wycombe and the chilterns will.Minority Report

buftonp13 wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes build it. It is needed.

Needed in London and Birmingham maybe, but as there are no stops in between it won't help anyone else..

[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]buftonp13[/bold] wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yes build it. It is needed.[/p][/quote]Needed in London and Birmingham maybe, but as there are no stops in between it won't help anyone else..sidthesexist

buftonp13 wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes build it. It is needed.

Needed in London and Birmingham maybe, but as there are no stops in between it won't help anyone else..

But what about those people who have to suffer the current journey from London to Birmingham on a train that takes 30 minutes longer than it would if they had a shiny new High Speed Train.

Think of the smiles on their faces as they board those new trains, knowing that they will have an extra 30 minutes to utilise however they wish when they get off in Birmingham.

At least the Governments (All of them so far) have decided to make deep cuts in funding for the NHS, Police, Fire Services and Education, so that now they are able to spend those savings far more wisely on a huge project like this...

[quote][p][bold]sidthesexist[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]buftonp13[/bold] wrote:
I cant wait till they start HS2. Then all these posh stuck up people in that area will be out of the news at last. They are boring me to death. I understand their house prices will drop a bit but the money their worth im sure they will cope.
This country hasnt spent anything like the money it should have over the last 50 years on infrastructure, and in these hard times the amount of jobs that will be created up and down the country makes it well worth it. BRING IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yes build it. It is needed.[/p][/quote]Needed in London and Birmingham maybe, but as there are no stops in between it won't help anyone else..[/p][/quote]But what about those people who have to suffer the current journey from London to Birmingham on a train that takes 30 minutes longer than it would if they had a shiny new High Speed Train.
Think of the smiles on their faces as they board those new trains, knowing that they will have an extra 30 minutes to utilise however they wish when they get off in Birmingham.
At least the Governments (All of them so far) have decided to make deep cuts in funding for the NHS, Police, Fire Services and Education, so that now they are able to spend those savings far more wisely on a huge project like this...A VOTER