"My girlfriend, when she was at St. Jude's in LA, she had a little friend."

"All she wanted was some white roses. So I sent her roses and sent her two picks along with that."

^Only direct quotes I could find on a skim.

-Dumb LB

-"We spoke with friends and relatives of Ronaiah Tuiasosopo who asserted that Ronaiah was the man behind Lennay. He created Lennay in 2008, one source said, and Te'o wasn't the first person to have an online "relationship" with her. One mark—who had been "introduced" to Lennay by Tuiasosopo—lasted about a month before family members grew suspicious that Lennay could never be found on the telephone, and that wherever one expected Lennay to be, Ronaiah was there instead."

He and his family have already been duped by ONE elaborate hoax. Why not another?

So you'd have me believe that in October of 2011, Manti and this kid get together and fake a relationship for a year, using an account that dates back to 2008 that the other kid's already use to dupe someone else, so that the two of them can fake the fake girlfriend's death the next season...why, exactly? Because Manti knows his faked tragedy will coincide with ND's undefeated season, and knowing that, he'll enjoy a windfall of exposure, and enjoying that, he'll skyrocket up NFL draft boards?

I'm sticking with Dumb LB thinks he has a girlfriend half a country away, but someone's really just F'ing with him. (At least as a less unbelievable story.)

I just read a theory that T'eo and the Tiuasusopo kid created the girl to cover up their own relationship, families being religious and all. Makes more sense then anything else I've heard, and is pretty tragic.

My personal thought was that this had more to do with his Heisman campaign than anything involving the draft or ND's undefeated season, but I still find the idea more plausible than having an invisible girlfriend who then dies (invisibly) and this doesn't seem odd to even the dumbest dude.

But it did work on Karla in an episode of Cheers, so I guess anything is possible. No way is Karla dumb.

bac5665 wrote:I just read a theory that T'eo and the Tiuasusopo kid created the girl to cover up their own relationship, families being religious and all. Makes more sense then anything else I've heard, and is pretty tragic.

Then why "kill" her off, and in such a public way?

If they were trying to "hide" their "forbidden love", there would be so many better ways to do it.

Even a repressed homosexual suicide pact would make more sense. Then their dads could stand over their coffins with a football and tell the world "I love my dead gay son!"

bac5665 wrote:I just read a theory that T'eo and the Tiuasusopo kid created the girl to cover up their own relationship, families being religious and all. Makes more sense then anything else I've heard, and is pretty tragic.

Then why "kill" her off, and in such a public way?

If they were trying to "hide" their "forbidden love", there would be so many better ways to do it.

Even a repressed homosexual suicide pact would make more sense. Then their dads could stand over their coffins with a football and tell the world "I love my dead gay son!"

R.I.P. Ram!

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

According to the South Bend Tribune (according to Deadspin) Te'o met Lennay after a Stanford/Notre Dame game in 2009. I don't see a direct quote from a specific person that says that, but they must've gotten that from either Manti or a family member. So if this WAS a trick played on Manti, doesn't that mean that whoever was pulling this stunt got a female involved to meet with him? And Manti was able to see these Twitter pictures from this real woman in Torrance, CA, right? Wouldn't he have been able to tell it wasn't the same woman he met in Palo Alto in 2009?

My initial inclination is to believe that Manti and this Ronaiah were involved in this hoax together. That is assuming that this South Bend newspaper is accurate in stating that Manti claimed he had met her before. If he never claimed to have met her, then I'd be more inclined to give Manti the benefit of the doubt initially.

"And three of the better guys in franchise history, Daugherty, Z and now Kyrie could get hurt in a rubber room full of cotton balls." - Leadpipe

ESPN actually sourced Deadspin. ESPN hates sourcing ANY other site and usually falls behind their "sources report" BS, but in this instance they were forced to not only source someone else, but the website that they hate more than any other.

idoctribefan wrote:According to the South Bend Tribune (according to Deadspin) Te'o met Lennay after a Stanford/Notre Dame game in 2009. I don't see a direct quote from a specific person that says that, but they must've gotten that from either Manti or a family member. So if this WAS a trick played on Manti, doesn't that mean that whoever was pulling this stunt got a female involved to meet with him? And Manti was able to see these Twitter pictures from this real woman in Torrance, CA, right? Wouldn't he have been able to tell it wasn't the same woman he met in Palo Alto in 2009?

Manti could have lied about lots of things while still having been duped, too--if he was embarrassed about what he thought was the "true" nature of his relationship.

"Hey, Mom & Dad, I met this great new girl on Twitter/after the Stanford game." Which is an easier message, do you think?

idoctribefan wrote:According to the South Bend Tribune (according to Deadspin) Te'o met Lennay after a Stanford/Notre Dame game in 2009. I don't see a direct quote from a specific person that says that, but they must've gotten that from either Manti or a family member. So if this WAS a trick played on Manti, doesn't that mean that whoever was pulling this stunt got a female involved to meet with him? And Manti was able to see these Twitter pictures from this real woman in Torrance, CA, right? Wouldn't he have been able to tell it wasn't the same woman he met in Palo Alto in 2009?

Manti could have lied about lots of things while still having been duped, too--if he was embarrassed about what he thought was the "true" nature of his relationship.

"Hey, Mom & Dad, I met this great new girl on Twitter/after the Stanford game." Which is an easier message, do you think?

In Swarbrick's presser, he takes a question from a reporter who asks about Manti previously claiming to have met the woman. Swarbrick says he asked Manti about that and Manti gave him a good explanation, which Manti will eventually reveal to the public in due time.

"And three of the better guys in franchise history, Daugherty, Z and now Kyrie could get hurt in a rubber room full of cotton balls." - Leadpipe

idoctribefan wrote:According to the South Bend Tribune (according to Deadspin) Te'o met Lennay after a Stanford/Notre Dame game in 2009. I don't see a direct quote from a specific person that says that, but they must've gotten that from either Manti or a family member. So if this WAS a trick played on Manti, doesn't that mean that whoever was pulling this stunt got a female involved to meet with him? And Manti was able to see these Twitter pictures from this real woman in Torrance, CA, right? Wouldn't he have been able to tell it wasn't the same woman he met in Palo Alto in 2009?

Manti could have lied about lots of things while still having been duped, too--if he was embarrassed about what he thought was the "true" nature of his relationship.

"Hey, Mom & Dad, I met this great new girl on Twitter/after the Stanford game." Which is an easier message, do you think?

In Swarbrick's presser, he takes a question from a reporter who asks about Manti previously claiming to have met the woman. Swarbrick says he asked Manti about that and Manti gave him a good explanation, which Manti will eventually reveal to the public in due time.

When he thinks of it.

Life experience has taught me that in such situations you just stop and say "You know what, I fucked up. I did XYZ and I have no idea what the fuck I was thinking. I fully accept all the criticism that comes my way, beat me the fuck up so we can all move on with our lives."

There is NO way that happens, however. Like the 10 zillion guys that got caught in a lie before him, he'll try to lie his way out of it.

"Most beautiful girl I ever met" = "I met her on the Twitterz, you know."

Either direction feels like a stretch to me. I'm just having a really hard time imaging two 20 yr olds putting so much time and effort into something like this. One 20 yr old fucking with another 20 yr old, and putting that much time and effort into it--THAT, I buy. The guy had to be fucking rollin' off his chair several times a day. But two 20 yr olds saying "This would be some funny shit! OK, we've got it going. Now, we should totally start fucking with people...in about a year from now. Yeah, this is going to be hilarious...in about a year from now. For now, we wait."

This was a GUY running this entire thing, no one has any evidence of a girl being involved yet, etc.

So now you get to the stretches that are:

1) Te'o never actually spoke with this girl and had nothing more than a Twitter relationship w/ THE LOVEZ OF HIS LIFE!!$!!!

2) A third person was a part of all of this and a fake phone buddy (8 HOUR PHONE CONVERSATIONS!!!!), which if true you would think ND would have already found this chick and paraded her around to prove just how blatantly DUPED America's Favorite Mormon was!

Yea, things really have changed since I went to college. All my football friends had multiple "girlfriends" . The Mormons had no problem having several. It was strange the All-American safety sure fire first round draft pick somehow had more women ( real not perceived) than anyone else.

dem425 wrote:Deadspin now reporting that T'eo and Ronaiah and Lennay were all allegedly seen together the weekend after she had "died" at some bar named Ber'nais..........

Don't see this on Deadspin right now. Not saying they aren't reporting it......

So I totally buy the 'he was duped and had a fake GF online for a year' story. He made up the met after Stanford game so his teammates didn't think he had an online GF. And sure, he made more of it than it was after she died, explains the 'love of my life' bs. All seems plausible and the most obvious answer is probably the true one.

But, say you do fall in love with a girl online. Talk to her most nights for a year. She dies. You never call and speak to her parents? You don't make an effort to get out to Cali after the game? Is he really that dense?

What we know so far doesn't add up.

Which throws up more red flags for an NFL team about to draft?

1) LB perpetrates this whole ridiculous hoax with a friend. 2) LB is so dumb he has a fake online GF for a year?

Guys, I have to come clean. There is no motherscratcher. I made him up. I figured creating an over-the-top ass hat like that would have tipped you all off but when it didn't, well, I decided to run with it and have some fun, see how ridiculous I could go. Rambling, incoherent posts, cartoon character nature, all of it a sham.

I don't know who should be more ashamed, me for perpetrating that ridiculous board presence here or you guys for falling for it. Seriously, how many dentists are that dopey and have that much time for tomfoolery.

peeker643 wrote:Guys, I have to come clean. There is no motherscratcher. I made him up. I figured creating an over-the-top ass hat like that would have tipped you all off but when it didn't, well, I decided to run with it and have some fun, see how ridiculous I could go. Rambling, incoherent posts, cartoon character nature, all of it a sham.

I don't know who should be more ashamed, me for perpetrating that ridiculous board presence here or you guys for falling for it. Seriously, how many dentists are that dopey and have that much time for tomfoolery.

Morman Shmorman. The star linebacker of an undeafeated Notre Dame squad has GOT to be throwing the hammer down live and in stereo.

If he's not, for the love of TD Jesus, what an underachiever.

What the hell do I know. I wasn't there, but the cats who usually have the time to fall into a deep online relationship, well, as a rule they don't have drunken college coeds forming a handjob line outside the dorm.