http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/02/snopes-exposed.html
I see to many references to Snopes like they are the end all or something.

Snopes was also claiming there were no secret flights carrying Saudis after 9-11.

They covered for Bush till the heat got to hot and they had to change the story.

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 10:56 AM

Snopes was also claiming there were no secret flights carrying Saudis after 9-11.

There weren't any....oh Lord, you're a TRUTHER too? Oh Gawd.....:eek:

They covered for Bush till the heat got to hot and they had to change the story.

http://colossus.mu.nu/looneyleft.jpg

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:01 AM

There weren't any....oh Lord, you're a TRUTHER too? Oh Gawd.....:eek:

After air space was opened, a secret flight was flown out of the US, this is 100% fact, Richard Clark testified to congress that this happened, it's in the 9-11 commission report for gods sake.

My god, I can't believe how uninformed this board is.

I win .....again....as usual.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.htm

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States
Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:

(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25

Second, we found no evidence of political intervention. We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency discussion at his level. Clarke told us, "I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me. And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me." Clarke added, "I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House."26

Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it. The President and Vice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.27

Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI's requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30

The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.31

They left after the airspace was opened. Like everyone else. Big whoop.

So how was any of this "secret"?

Moron.:rolleyes:

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:06 AM

How was any of this "secret"? Moron.:rolleyes:

Who was aware of it ?

Not Bush/Cheney, like the report said.

If it wasn't a secret, then did the media know ? ...were they reporting on it anywhere ?

did you know ?

Who knew ? ...just a few people in government.

Thats called a secret you fool.

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:07 AM

They left after the airspace was opened. Like everyone else. Big whoop.

So how was any of this "secret"?

Moron.:rolleyes:

Who knew ? ...if nobody knows, then it's a secret, thats the very definition of a secret you fool.

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:12 AM

They left after the airspace was opened. Like everyone else. Big whoop.

So how was any of this "secret"?

Moron.:rolleyes:

LOL, Look at you.

You claimed that the flight never happened. You claimed I was just a "truther" ...because I believe something that everyone else thinks is false.

Not only didn't you know about the flight, you thought the my view was so crazy that you would post a picture of Loony Tunes.

I post a link to the 9-11 report that proves my point, and tells us that Bush/Cheney didn't even know about the flights.

You didn't know
The President and Vice President didn't know.
Most of the US government didn't know
The media didn't know
The American people didn't know

And you ask "how is this a secret?"

Unreal. Maybe you should go get a dictionary and look up the word secret.

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 11:12 AM

Who was aware of it ?

Not Bush/Cheney, like the report said.

Did they need to know? It had been handled at the correct level. Big deal...that;'s their job.

If it wasn't a secret, then did the media know ? ...were they reporting on it anywhere ?

Why would the media need to know about every flight that left the US after the airspace was opened? They were more interested in other things.

Wanna know why? Go ask 'em

did you know ?

I kinda figured that along with the domestic fllghts, the international ones would go too.

It was kinda obvious when they announced on the news that US airspace was now open to international traffic

Duh.

Who knew ? ...just a few people in government.

..and the controllers, and the ground staff, and the pilots , and the other pilots in planes on the ground and in the air and anyone else listening to radio traffic and the flight watchers at the airport and the check in staff and the baggage handlers and the ground marshals and the airplane refuellers and the people in the terminal who saw them get on a plane.....

Thats called a secret you fool.

It is?

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:18 AM

So you are claiming the traffic controllers and baggage handlers knew there were Saudi officials on board that were just looked at by the FBI and could have ties to 9-11 ?

Thats absurd.

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 11:19 AM

ou claimed that the flight never happened. You claimed I was just a "truther" ...because I believe something that everyone else thinks is false.

Nope I said it wasnt secret.It wasnt.

Not only didn't you know about the flight, you thought the my view was so crazy that you would post a picture of Loony Tunes.

It suits you perfectly.

ARE you a truther as well?

I post a link to the 9-11 report that proves my point, and tells us that Bush/Cheney didn't even know about the flights.

They didnt also know about the baggage handler who wore a secret tattoo of a naked lady on his chest after three nights in bed with a rabid she tiger and a rabid Reformed Greek Orthodox Alaskan Cave Bat who flew in from Upper Kryzykistan on the 3:15 red eye from Duluth Minnesota....

The President and Vice President didn't know.Why would they need to know?Thats handled by the people who are there to do that job.They are there to do that job without clearing everythng with the WH first.

Its called delegation of authority.

Most of the US government didn't know
Most of the govt didnt need to know and if asked would not have cared, seeing as they were busy doing other things.

The media didn't know

Theres a lot they dont know.

The American people didn't know

All 300 million needed to be told? Wow, thats one expensive phone call....

And you ask "how is this a secret?"

Unreal. Maybe you should go get a dictionary and look up the word secret.

Actually I looked up the word idiot...and found a picture of you. Shave now and then, will you? And brush your teeth.

satanica

07-09-2009, 11:26 AM

Nope I said it wasnt secret.It wasnt..

It was so secret that 10 minutes ago you claimed it never took place, your words are still posted in this thread. But you are learning, you are now willing to admit that I was right, and that the flight DID take place.

It only had to be cleared by the FBI, and counter terrorism csar.

The President and Vice president didn't know about it

The media didn't know about it

It was so secret it was labeled as a "conspiracy theory" after 9-11, something that "never took place"

The very first confirmation of the flight was when Richard Clark confirmed it to the 9-11 commission.

But no ...it wasn't a secret, nope.

Like I said, get a dictionary honey.

lacarnut

07-09-2009, 11:31 AM

Actually I looked up the word idiot...and found a picture of you. Shave now and then, will you? And brush your teeth.

He needs to wipe his Candy Ass also.

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 11:38 AM

It was so secret that 10 minutes ago you claimed it never took place, your words are still posted in this thread. But you are learning, you are now willing to admit that I was right, and that the flight DID take place.Said it wasnt secret. Duh.

It only had to be cleared by the FBI, and counter terrorism csar.Less than one day after 9/11...quelle surprise....

The President and Vice president didn't know about it..because they had someone to take care of that without asking them every five minutes for advice.

The very first confirmation of the flight was when Richard Clark confirmed it to the 9-11 commission.So he told them so it wasnt a secret.

But no ...it wasn't a secret, nope. Like I said, get a dictionary honey.Mate, you're as thick as two short planks.

Rebel Yell

07-09-2009, 11:41 AM

Who was aware of it ?

Not Bush/Cheney, like the report said.

If it wasn't a secret, then did the media know ? ...were they reporting on it anywhere ?

did you know ?

Who knew ? ...just a few people in government.

Thats called a secret you fool.

What did the Obama girls have for beakfast this morning?

How many Saudis flew out of the country yesterday?

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 11:45 AM

..and
U ≈ 3fA

f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9 ... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

Did the media know this too?

hazlnut

07-09-2009, 11:57 AM

Snopes was also claiming there were no secret flights carrying Saudis after 9-11.

They covered for Bush till the heat got to hot and they had to change the story.

They weren't really 'secret'.--at least not any more. The Bin Laden family members were given expedited security clearances. The flight manifests and passengers names were released some time ago.

Here is a story confirming the flight 10 days after 9/11 -- In F 9/11 Michael Moore made it seem like the flights happened when everyone was grounded. That was not the case. But strings were definitly pulled at the highest levels.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4014-2004Jul21.html

hazlnut

07-09-2009, 12:20 PM

They left after the airspace was opened. Like everyone else. Big whoop.

So how was any of this "secret"?

Moron.:rolleyes:

Big whoop??!!

How about we freeze their assets and detain them until every single American who was buried alive is dug up and given a proper burial?

They were relatives of a the man behind 9/11!! They can check into a hotel and order room service for 6 weeks for all I care. Preferably one with a nice view of ground zero so every single day they are forced to look at what their brother/relative did.

The people on these flights were given preferential treatment when it came to how fast the FBI vetted them. The fact that the FBI and Secret Service had to be pulled off other details to make sure the Bin Laden family 'felt safe' is disturbing.

I don't know that they would be getting any different treatment under the current administration. The reasoning has always been that if the Saudis pulled their money from our banks, the economy would collapse. Screw 'em. Freeze their assets. They didn't invent oil. They tripped over a rock and fell into an ocean of it.

However, soon enough we won't need their oil and all those countries will be begging for humanitarian aide from us when their economy tanks. Of course, it will be our fault(according to anti-west extremists) that the billionaire princes and kings never invested in their own infrastructure or society.:rolleyes:

We're a country founded on thumbing our noses at kings. We should never kowtow to kings.

Sonnabend

07-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Big whoop??!!

How about we freeze their assets and detain them until every single American who was buried alive is dug up and given a proper burial?

They were relatives of a the man behind 9/11!!

..and they were responsible for what he did...how? Going to do the same to the family of every criminal?

They can check into a hotel and order room service for 6 weeks for all I care. Preferably one with a nice view of ground zero so every single day they are forced to look at what their brother/relative did.

..so you want to punish them for something they had nothing to do with.

These people on these flights were given preferential treatment when it came to how fast the FBI vetted them. The fact that the FBI and Secret Service had to be pulled off other details to make sure the Bin Laden family 'felt safe' is disturbing.

Seeing as how they didnt want them hurt by some lunatic who believed that they were somehow responsible for what their crazy family member did.." you do not visit the sins of the fathers on the heads of the sons"...sound familiar?

Aside from being his relatives, what proof do you have that they had anything to do with 9/11?

We're a country founded on thumbing our noses at kings. We should never kowtowing to kings.

..or fall under mob rule for the "crime" of being related to some lunatic.

Name one offence or crime they had committed?

Lars1701a

07-09-2009, 12:58 PM

Big whoop??!!

How about we freeze their assets and detain them until every single American who was buried alive is dug up and given a proper burial?

They were relatives of a the man behind 9/11!! They can check into a hotel and order room service for 6 weeks for all I care. Preferably one with a nice view of ground zero so every single day they are forced to look at what their brother/relative did.

The people on these flights were given preferential treatment when it came to how fast the FBI vetted them. The fact that the FBI and Secret Service had to be pulled off other details to make sure the Bin Laden family 'felt safe' is disturbing.

I don't know that they would be getting any different treatment under the current administration. The reasoning has always been that if the Saudis pulled their money from our banks, the economy would collapse. Screw 'em. Freeze their assets. They didn't invent oil. They tripped over a rock and fell into an ocean of it.

However, soon enough we won't need their oil and all those countries will be begging for humanitarian aide from us when their economy tanks. Of course, it will be our fault(according to anti-west extremists) that the billionaire princes and kings never invested in their own infrastructure or society.:rolleyes:

We're a country founded on thumbing our noses at kings. We should never kowtow to kings.

Pal even if the magic negro's pie in the sky energy plan works we will still need oil for hundreds of other things. Plastics, oils etc

I dont think Osama's family members should be shamed just because he is a murderer, kinda of like your family members shouldn't be ashamed you are a douche bag.

PoliCon

07-09-2009, 12:59 PM

Can I ask as to why this is not in the SLT forum?

Rebel Yell

07-09-2009, 01:04 PM

Can I ask as to why this is not in the SLT forum?

You just did.:D

Rockntractor

07-09-2009, 01:21 PM

You just did.:D
Well! Can we answer him?

Gingersnap

07-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Can I ask as to why this is not in the SLT forum?

Truther idiocy knows no political affiliation. ;)

hazlnut

07-09-2009, 05:50 PM

..and they were responsible for what he did...how? Going to do the same to the family of every criminal?

..so you want to punish them for something they had nothing to do with.

Seeing as how they didnt want them hurt by some lunatic who believed that they were somehow responsible for what their crazy family member did.." you do not visit the sins of the fathers on the heads of the sons"...sound familiar?

Aside from being his relatives, what proof do you have that they had anything to do with 9/11?

..or fall under mob rule for the "crime" of being related to some lunatic.

Name one offence or crime they had committed?

Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:

I mean, that is exactly what we're talking about here. Instead of making them wait their turn, wait until the FBI could thoroughly review their backgrounds and financials, this process was expedited... When American families were still digging out their dead!!

**Six degrees of separation (2-3 when talking about family)

**Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)

**Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)

That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.

PoliCon

07-09-2009, 07:42 PM

Truther idiocy knows no political affiliation. ;)

Sure it does. Insanity is their side of the aisle.

SarasotaRepub

07-09-2009, 08:47 PM

Hey SuperCrash, why don't you bring up Election 2000 too???
Might as well bring all the nutty stuff out...:rolleyes::D

Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:

I mean, that is exactly what we're talking about here. Instead of making them wait their turn, wait until the FBI could thoroughly review their backgrounds and financials, this process was expedited... When American families were still digging out their dead!!

**Six degrees of separation (2-3 when talking about family)

**Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)

**Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)

That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.

Do you really think there were/are any relatives of bin Laden living in the US that the FBI hadn't already checked out thoroughly both before they got to the US and while they were here? I'm sure every aunt, uncle, cousin, and nephew is researched and investigated by the FBI, who probably have very thick files on each and every one of them. I bet many were under constant surveillance. Given that, how much more investigation was needed? Not much. And legally they had done nothing wrong, so how would you justify detaining them once flying was allowed again and they wanted to book flights home fearing a massive backlash against all Muslims but especially relatives of bin Laden? I'm sure the administration didn't want a headline like "young niece of bin Laden killed by angry American crowd" either, so they helped to get them home once flying was resumed.

hazlnut

07-09-2009, 09:33 PM

Do you really think there were/are any relatives of bin Laden living in the US that the FBI hadn't already checked out thoroughly both before they got to the US and while they were here? I'm sure every aunt, uncle, cousin, and nephew is researched and investigated by the FBI, who probably have very thick files on each and every one of them. I bet many were under constant surveillance. Given that, how much more investigation was needed? Not much. And legally they had done nothing wrong, so how would you justify detaining them once flying was allowed again and they wanted to book flights home fearing a massive backlash against all Muslims but especially relatives of bin Laden? I'm sure the administration didn't want a headline like "young niece of bin Laden killed by angry American crowd" either, so they helped to get them home once flying was resumed.

I always try to be supportive of the FBI and other federal law enforcement. However, back in 2000, they had information about foreign nationals taking flying lessons but not wanting to know how to land the plane.... So, yes and no--to answer your question.

The FBI was not on the Bin Laden family 24/7 -- why? Because the Bin Laden family has a lot of money and influence. They have lawyers and representatives who pave the way for them when traveling or living in the U.S. and make a lot of noise anytime they are bothered.

No, I don't think a young niece being killed or harmed would have be good PR for the US. However, to the extent that in the days following 9/11 any FBI agent had to waste 1 minute of his time to help expedite a rushed vetting of Bin Laden relatives and other Saudis is not right.--IMO.

Gee, weren't there people all over this country that wanted to get to NYC to see if their son or daughter who worked the WTC was still alive? How about getting those people on a plane before we worry about the Bin Ladens feeling safe. How many average Americans wanted some sort of special consideration in days following 9/11?

We know how many average muslims (some American citizens) were 'vetted' and investigated by the FBI in the days and months following 9/11.

Due Diligence. Sure the FBI had all the papers and info filed by the Bin Laden's lawyers and reps. But in a criminal investigation you're looking for the stuff people don't want to tell you about. Every cell phone call, every hotel bill, ever credit card charge, every bank statement, every known associate-- that is all normal in a criminal investigation. But when the order comes down--we must clear these folks ASAP -- due diligence is gone because then it's happening on someone else's time table.

Show me where we can get this info:

Out of all the Bin Laden relatives, who was the last to see Osama and when?
Did any of the Bin Laden relatives ever give any money to any type of moderate or extreme group with any type of anti-west or anti-American view? (I already know the answer - yes - but getting more details - good luck)
Did any of the Bin Landen relatives ever go to school or room with anyone affiliated with an anti-American group?
Did any person(s) working for a Bin Laden relative ever hear him/her mention their brother? Or contact their brother?

The list of reasonable questions you would ask the relatives of someone behind a mass murder of American citizens could go on and on. How long were these people interviewed for after 9/11?

Money and economics. They pull their money from our banks and the S hits the fan.

Teetop

07-10-2009, 12:53 AM

I always try to be supportive of the FBI and other federal law enforcement. However, back in 2000, they had information about foreign nationals taking flying lessons but not wanting to know how to land the plane.... So, yes and no--to answer your question.

The FBI was not on the Bin Laden family 24/7 -- why? Because the Bin Laden family has a lot of money and influence. They have lawyers and representatives who pave the way for them when traveling or living in the U.S. and make a lot of noise anytime they are bothered.

No, I don't think a young niece being killed or harmed would have be good PR for the US. However, to the extent that in the days following 9/11 any FBI agent had to waste 1 minute of his time to help expedite a rushed vetting of Bin Laden relatives and other Saudis is not right.--IMO.

Gee, weren't there people all over this country that wanted to get to NYC to see if their son or daughter who worked the WTC was still alive? How about getting those people on a plane before we worry about the Bin Ladens feeling safe. How many average Americans wanted some sort of special consideration in days following 9/11?

We know how many average muslims (some American citizens) were 'vetted' and investigated by the FBI in the days and months following 9/11.

Due Diligence. Sure the FBI had all the papers and info filed by the Bin Laden's lawyers and reps. But in a criminal investigation you're looking for the stuff people don't want to tell you about. Every cell phone call, every hotel bill, ever credit card charge, every bank statement, every known associate-- that is all normal in a criminal investigation. But when the order comes down--we must clear these folks ASAP -- due diligence is gone because then it's happening on someone else's time table.

Show me where we can get this info:

Out of all the Bin Laden relatives, who was the last to see Osama and when?
Did any of the Bin Laden relatives ever give any money to any type of moderate or extreme group with any type of anti-west or anti-American view? (I already know the answer - yes - but getting more details - good luck)
Did any of the Bin Landen relatives ever go to school or room with anyone affiliated with an anti-American group?
Did any person(s) working for a Bin Laden relative ever hear him/her mention their brother? Or contact their brother?

The list of reasonable questions you would ask the relatives of someone behind a mass murder of American citizens could go on and on. How long were these people interviewed for after 9/11?

Money and economics. They pull their money from our banks and the S hits the fan.

:rolleyes:

4th and 5th Amendment.

FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.' (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f081.htm)

FIFTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.' (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f083.htm)

Sonnabend

07-10-2009, 06:11 AM

Sounds like you're more 'liberal' than me on the issue of giving preferential treatment to wealthy foreign nationals -- :eek:

Give me one crime that they had committed and would be prima facie grounds for arrest and I'll change my mind. If not, then they had every right to leave and o justrifiable cause to hgold them.

Do the words "false imprisonment" ring a bell?

**Blood is thicker than water (to find out what they might have known the FBI should have conducted individual interviews and extensive background checks which takes more than a few days)

On what premise? On what charges? With what evidence?

**Due Diligence can take weeks in a criminal investigation. (Tell them to shack up in the St. Regis and we'll get to them when we're done holding funerals for firemen and policemen. 'kay?)

Illlegal search and seizure, not to mention false arrest, false imprisonment..it's called rule of law, jackass.

That's all I'm saying. So what if these people had to be inconvenienced for a few weeks/months.

A pesky little thing called the US Constitution.

Moron.

FlaGator

07-10-2009, 06:21 AM

Snopes was also claiming there were no secret flights carrying Saudis after 9-11.

They covered for Bush till the heat got to hot and they had to change the story.

:rolleyes:

Constitutionally Speaking

07-10-2009, 08:41 AM

After air space was opened, a secret flight was flown out of the US, this is 100% fact, Richard Clark testified to congress that this happened, it's in the 9-11 commission report for gods sake.

My god, I can't believe how uninformed this board is.

I win .....again....as usual.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch10.htm

Sorry stupid. We KNOW we flew Saudi's out the libridiots tried to make it some dastardly deed done while all other flights were grounded - but your own post holds the key.

AFTER air space was opened. And it was not a secret.

Sonnabend

07-10-2009, 08:48 AM

You'll have to forgive him, when he was a child, they stuck an eggbeater in his ears, and scrambled what was left of his brains.:p

YupItsMe

07-10-2009, 02:54 PM

..and
U ≈ 3fA

f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9 ... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

Did the media know this too?

Must be a secret:rolleyes:

PoliCon

07-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Special thanks to what ever member of staff finally placed this discussion where it belongs. :)

YupItsMe

07-10-2009, 03:05 PM

Sorry stupid. We KNOW we flew Saudi's out the libridiots tried to make it some dastardly deed done while all other flights were grounded - but your own post holds the key.

AFTER air space was opened. And it was not a secret.

Nobody called Supercrash and told him they were going to leave, so it must've been a secret.

Sonnabend

07-10-2009, 10:12 PM

Special thanks to what ever member of staff finally placed this discussion where it belongs

You are welcome.

Zathras

07-10-2009, 11:04 PM

..and
U ≈ 3fA

f ≈ 15 (beats per second)
A ≈ 0.22 (meters per beat)
U ≈ 3*15*0.22 ≈ 9.9 ... to estimate that the airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is 10 meters per second.

Did the media know this too?

Nope...neither did the Keeper of the Bridge of Death...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg

InspiredHome

07-10-2009, 11:06 PM

I see what happens when I'm away for awhile...we get a new chew toy! Woot!

FlaGator

07-10-2009, 11:48 PM

I see what happens when I'm away for awhile...we get a new chew toy! Woot!