What religion has contributed to the world - Special Report #5: The Victims of Blasphemy Laws - Atheist Nexus2016-12-10T02:39:21Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/what-religion-has-contributed-to-the-world-special-report-5-the?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe situations of Berlin in W…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-31:2182797:Comment:22937672013-08-31T01:21:15.180ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>The situations of Berlin in WWII and Saudi Arabia in the here and now are hardly parallel. Nazi Germany was a clearly perceived enemy, actively engaging the entire European theater in a declared state of war. SA is just sitting their with their oil ... which a LOT of folks, including but not limited to the US, want ... and, granted, being the home of Wahhabi / Salafi Islam, perhaps the most extreme form of that religion. They are also currently considered a US ally, and dumping on allies…</p>
<p>The situations of Berlin in WWII and Saudi Arabia in the here and now are hardly parallel. Nazi Germany was a clearly perceived enemy, actively engaging the entire European theater in a declared state of war. SA is just sitting their with their oil ... which a LOT of folks, including but not limited to the US, want ... and, granted, being the home of Wahhabi / Salafi Islam, perhaps the most extreme form of that religion. They are also currently considered a US ally, and dumping on allies out of the clear blue is just plain bad form, sure as hell when no formal declarations of hostilities have been made. Iran by comparison is far more obviously antagonistic with their current nuclear program. My thought is that they'll find the bulls-eye on their backs long before the Saudis do.<br/><br/>The problem with Islam is that it is an idea - amorphous - without a genuine target to hit and hurt them substantially. Hitting Mecca or Medina would hurt them far less than it would piss them off and unify them against us - totally wrong move under the current circumstances. As things are, we fight them where we see them and where we know they are - far more a a guerrilla campaign than the open engagements which were the Second World War. That fight was ridiculously simple compared to the current conditions and opponents.<br/><br/>I wish it were otherwise. For what I can see, it ain't.</p> Bombing Berlin preemptively w…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-31:2182797:Comment:22936162013-08-31T00:31:17.456ZRichard Lawrencehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RichLawrence
<p>Bombing Berlin preemptively would have never been considered as a way of averting the war yet that is precisely what we had to do in order to defeat Germany. It was simply a question of when not if. All your objections make sense if mutual coexistence is agreed on by both sides or is at least possible. My argument is that it is not and one does not preach tolerance regarding people who behead other people in broad daylight. This is a culture that is looking to take over and convert…</p>
<p>Bombing Berlin preemptively would have never been considered as a way of averting the war yet that is precisely what we had to do in order to defeat Germany. It was simply a question of when not if. All your objections make sense if mutual coexistence is agreed on by both sides or is at least possible. My argument is that it is not and one does not preach tolerance regarding people who behead other people in broad daylight. This is a culture that is looking to take over and convert everyone, like it or not. Islam will bring us back to the stone age if it can; it did the exact thing to its own culture. I agree that we should pay very careful attention to what is going on in London and all over England. .</p> What. You. Said!tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22937302013-08-30T18:12:07.362ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>What. You. Said!</p>
<p>What. You. Said!</p> There's a reason Islam is win…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22937292013-08-30T17:58:52.971ZPathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pat46
<p>There's a reason Islam is winning the propaganda war, and allowed to have Sharia zones in London, and demand and receive special privileges in Europe. The Islamists believe it's because they (like all theists) have a monopoly on truth. They're wrong, of course, on that point. The reason they're expanding and doing so well is the same reason Hitler did so well in Europe in the 1930s. (I can see it coming - Pat just proved Godwin's law). Hear me out. </p>
<p>There was only one European leader…</p>
<p>There's a reason Islam is winning the propaganda war, and allowed to have Sharia zones in London, and demand and receive special privileges in Europe. The Islamists believe it's because they (like all theists) have a monopoly on truth. They're wrong, of course, on that point. The reason they're expanding and doing so well is the same reason Hitler did so well in Europe in the 1930s. (I can see it coming - Pat just proved Godwin's law). Hear me out. </p>
<p>There was only one European leader who had the courage to stand up to Hitler prior to WWII. Strangely enough, that was Benito Mussolini in 1934 when he massed Italian troops at the Brenner Pass against a German takeover of Austria that year. It worked. However, every other European leader gave into the bully tactics and threats of violence until, on September 1, 1939, it was too late. Bombing Mecca and Medina are not the answer. Sending the British military into London's Sharia zones, much like the British Army occupies Belfast, Enniskillen, and Derry, would be a first step. Shutting down mosques where imams openly preach violence toward the government as traitorous act by those imams would be the next. And forcibly closing Sharia courts is yet another step. If the Islamists don't like it, they're certainly free to go back to whatever one of Allah's litter box countries they came from. Same thing in France, Holland, and elsewhere. Allowing the English Defense League to speak freely about the cultural destruction of the UK, rather than silencing them is another remedy. </p>
<p>Bear in mind, I'm not advocating violence, but am advocating standing up to it. Don't kow tow to threats, but do stand up to them. Don't accommodate bullies, but put them in their place. Don't accord fanatics special privileges, but force them to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Now, if they do engage in violent acts, then my advice would be the same as given by Sean Connery to Kevin Costner in the movie <em>The Untouchables. </em>"<span> He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue! </span><i>That's</i><span> the </span><i>Chicago</i><span> way..." Too bad British PM MacMillan, French Premier Leon Blum, and Russian dictator Stalin hadn't seen the movie. And, what's worse, neither have the current European leaders who are repeating history.</span></p> There is a further point as r…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22934172013-08-30T17:09:11.911ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>There is a further point as regards hitting places like Mecca or Medina: the fact that most of the rest of the world would see that as being as barbarous an act as 9/11 was. Islam as an entity would have to disqualify itself so blatantly before an attack of that nature would be even remotely palatable that I can't even think of what manner of action would rise to that level.<br></br><br></br>Granted, they ARE disqualified to US, but the rest of the world doesn't see it that way, and it is liable to…</p>
<p>There is a further point as regards hitting places like Mecca or Medina: the fact that most of the rest of the world would see that as being as barbarous an act as 9/11 was. Islam as an entity would have to disqualify itself so blatantly before an attack of that nature would be even remotely palatable that I can't even think of what manner of action would rise to that level.<br/><br/>Granted, they ARE disqualified to US, but the rest of the world doesn't see it that way, and it is liable to be centuries before some of them do.</p> I have noted what is going on…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22935142013-08-30T16:35:28.040ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>I have noted what is going on with shariah zones in Britain with considerable unease and downright disgust and <a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/xn/detail/2182797:Comment:2293071?xg_source=activity" target="_blank">commented on that matter</a> on a video posted by A|N member Napoleon Bonaparte. Her Majesty's government has made a massive mistake in allowing two standards of law for its citizens where there should be only ONE. Were I empowered to do so, shariah law there would be cut off…</p>
<p>I have noted what is going on with shariah zones in Britain with considerable unease and downright disgust and <a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/xn/detail/2182797:Comment:2293071?xg_source=activity" target="_blank">commented on that matter</a> on a video posted by A|N member Napoleon Bonaparte. Her Majesty's government has made a massive mistake in allowing two standards of law for its citizens where there should be only ONE. Were I empowered to do so, shariah law there would be cut off at the knees with no apology, and if islamic fundamentalists there dont' like it, they can damned well emigrate.<br/><br/>As for Mecca and Medina, they will likely remain untouched so long as the US cares for Saudi oil. Iran, on the other hand, may get substantially spanked if they want to persist in their nuclear program. In any case, it is well past time that islam got called to task for its bullshit. Hitchens and Harris have done so repeatedly to limited and generally friendly reception. It's time that audience was radically expanded.</p> My feeling is that since Isla…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22935102013-08-30T16:13:21.573ZRichard Lawrencehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RichLawrence
<p>My feeling is that since Islam hates us already and do the most despicable things without any provocation other than the belief that we are infidels and therefore evil, we should give them good reason to hate us. After the next terrorist attack on the west by Islam, raze Mecca and Medina. This religion is a cancer eating away at society and needs to be excoriated without delay or our daughters will have acid thrown in their faces because they attend school and our military personnel will…</p>
<p>My feeling is that since Islam hates us already and do the most despicable things without any provocation other than the belief that we are infidels and therefore evil, we should give them good reason to hate us. After the next terrorist attack on the west by Islam, raze Mecca and Medina. This religion is a cancer eating away at society and needs to be excoriated without delay or our daughters will have acid thrown in their faces because they attend school and our military personnel will be beheaded in our streets.</p>
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<p>Pay close attention to what is going on in London.</p> These wrenching reports and i…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22935212013-08-30T04:32:05.423ZJoan Denoohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JoanDenoo
<p>These wrenching reports and images chill me to the bone. All these imperatives to obey, submit, and acquiesce to religious dogma are key to the underlying problems facing Earth and all living things. Dominion of one or another religion smacks of superstition and lack of education. Even a notion of a "web of life" in which we all live as part of a much larger whole does not pass their mental barriers. <br></br> A struggle against family violence exists as part of the fabric of dominionism. It is…</p>
<p>These wrenching reports and images chill me to the bone. All these imperatives to obey, submit, and acquiesce to religious dogma are key to the underlying problems facing Earth and all living things. Dominion of one or another religion smacks of superstition and lack of education. Even a notion of a "web of life" in which we all live as part of a much larger whole does not pass their mental barriers. <br/> A struggle against family violence exists as part of the fabric of dominionism. It is part of a much larger roll of cloth; resisting them in support of reason, critical thinking, and understanding creates chaos, even as they strive for decent attitudes and behaviors.</p> Sorry Loren, I couldn't finis…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-30:2182797:Comment:22932722013-08-30T03:32:07.335ZMichael Blackhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MichaelBlack
<p>Sorry Loren, I couldn't finish watching the video. All I could think is "giant glass parking lots". That isn't fair to the reasonable people that do live in that area.</p>
<p>Sorry Loren, I couldn't finish watching the video. All I could think is "giant glass parking lots". That isn't fair to the reasonable people that do live in that area.</p> Thanks for posting. Now I ne…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-08-29:2182797:Comment:22932402013-08-29T22:57:18.671ZDaniel Wachenheimhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Daniel57
<p>Thanks for posting. Now I need a Prozac.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting. Now I need a Prozac.</p>