The point is that the thread is about the call, not how we played. I'm sure we all could point fingers all day about that, but this is supposed to be focused and not cluttered up with every tom dick and harry's two bit analysis.

Okay. You say it was a bad call. The former VP of NFL Officiating says it was a good call.

Anything else?

I think he is covering his guy. That was a bad call. Former players even are saying it was a bad call.

It was a complete BS call. Only a fool or somebody with an ax to grind would call that legit. LMAO

There have to be 25 offensive holding calls more blatant than that in every NFL game. Ludicrous! It was an INTENTIONAL alteration of the game result.

You can gripe all you want about the call, and rightly so. It was a call that should not have been made, and it swung the game to NY. However, it was the millionth straw in a long series of "should not have happened" things, most of which were the Patriots' fault. With all the injuries and etc., its going to be an uphill climb to really go deep into the playoffs. When you add young receivers and Brady's creeping inconsistency, they have their work cut out this year. But we knew that going into this season. 5-2 not bad considering, and with what the Red Sox have been doing, its hard to be greedy about the Patriots.

It wasn't a push. The flag was thrown before the alleged push. You don't make cheesey calls in OT with the game on the line anyway, unless something is rotten in Denmark.

It is the NFL covering for their corruption. It may be a rule but the enforcement is suspect. Perreria is the "Former" VP. The telling fact was Rex not going ballistic when the flag was thrown. he would have been ecstatic if he had seen or heard it was a real penalty. No Jets players were excited either. They didn't see a penalty. The officials had to huddle up to make something up. Because there WAS no penalty. Just heard on WEEI that the league "just" sent out a memo to officials this week showing instances where it wasn't called and should have this season. BS. The league saw an opportunity at the end of the game, and threw the flag as a safety valve in case he misseed a 64 yard field goal, which he had no chance of making.

The point is that the thread is about the call, not how we played. I'm sure we all could point fingers all day about that, but this is supposed to be focused and not cluttered up with every tom dick and harry's two bit analysis.

Okay. You say it was a bad call. The former VP of NFL Officiating says it was a good call.

Anything else?

I think he is covering his guy. That was a bad call. Former players even are saying it was a bad call.

Yeah. Pereira is the same guy who covered for the replacement refs in the Seattle bag job "win" over the Packers. It's like crossing a union line with him. He won't do it.

"Rule 913: Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into offensive formation."

Can someone tell me where the "second tier" stuff comes in?

Team B means second tier, moron. Jones is a Team A player in that rule. He's lining up on the line of scrimmage.

Go back to the Bruins board and whack off to Jacobs some more.

From my understanding team A is the kicking team, and team B is the kick return unit. Who knows where second tier stuff comes in ... maybe a memo? At any rate, the implication is that players on the line of scrimmage cannot be pushed, so a creative person could argue that it means a player not on the line of scrimmage has to be the one 'pushing.'

It doesn't matter. The call was questionable/lame/GUTLESS ... he was not pushing him ... and it was a zero impact play (the kick wasn't bloacked, ; no Jets were injured or threatened; etc).

It's a 15 YARD penalty that basically handed the Jets the win.

Section 1 Kick From Scrimmage

KICK ON OR BEHIND LINE OF SCRIMMAGE

Article 1 Team A may attempt a punt, drop kick, or placekick from on or behind the line of scrimmage.

Penalty: For a punt, drop kick, or placekick that is kicked from beyond the line of scrimmage or not from scrimmage:

Loss of 10 yards from the spot of the kick.

Note 1: This is not considered illegally kicking the ball.

Note 2: The penalty for a punt, drop kick, or placekick from beyond the line is to be enforced from the spot where the ball is punted or kicked when the player’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage. This includes either when the player is airborne or touching the ground.

Note 3: A second kick from behind the line of scrimmage is legal provided the ball has not crossed the line.

KICKING TEAM PLAYERS ON LINE DURING KICK

Article 2 During a kick from scrimmage, only the end men (eligible receivers) on the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap, or an eligible receiver who is aligned or in motion behind the line and is more than one yard outside the end man, are permitted to advance more than one yard beyond the line before the ball is kicked.

Penalty: For advancing more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage before the ball is kicked: Loss of five yards.

DEFENSIVE TEAM FORMATION

Article 3: Defensive Team Formation

(a) When Team A presents a punt, field-goal, or Try Kick formation, a Team B player, who is within one yard of the line of scrimmage, must have his entire body outside the snapper’s shoulder pads at the snap.

(b) When Team A presents a field-goal or Try Kick formation:

(1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the

snap; and

Note: These restrictions do not apply if a team does not present a standard punt, field goal, or Try Kick formation (an equal

number of players on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper in a tight formation), or if, after the offensive

team has assumed a set position, there is a shift, or a player goes in motion.

Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense: Loss of five yards.

(2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.

Team B means second tier, moron. Jones is a Team A player in that rule. He's lining up on the line of scrimmage.

Go back to the Bruins board and whack off to Jacobs some more.

Wrong.

Team A is the team with the ball.

Team B is the team on defense.

Example from the NFL rulebook:

"PLAYER ON LINE

ARTICLE 2: A Player of Team A is on his line

(a) when his shoulders face Team B's goal line..."

You are so dim you don't even know how to read the rules of the game you follow.

That's not what it means. It means second level. Second tier. The rule is about the second level player pusing a DL into the line of scrimmage. It used be legal, now it is not. A stunt is not pushing a fellow D Lineman anyway.

Why would they refer to "Team A" as the team with the ball in one rule and then call "Team A" a down lineman in a different rule?

That makes no sense at all.

Give up.

This second tier stuff is created and parroted by people who don't understand the rule.

It wasn't a push. The flag was thrown before the alleged push. You don't make cheesey calls in OT with the game on the line anyway, unless something is rotten in Denmark.

It was cheesy. Gutless. That's the major issue.

It swings the game completely from one end of the win probabilty spectrum (NE with ~70% [10 yards to a 45 yard FG] to Jets 90% [in line for a chip shot FG].

Gutless.

It's just an unnecessary penalty and it does nothing for the game and it comes at the dumbest time for no real good reason. I totally agree with you. It makes the NFL look bad, even if the Broncos lost like that I would feel bad and think the NFL looks bad.