deltbucs wrote:Do you Trump supporters still really believe that Mexico is going to pay for the wall or do you now realize that you were conned?

The brighter ones will answer "B".

His whole damn campaign was a used car sales pitch. They ignored the bald tires, didn't notice there was no steering wheel, fluids leaking all over the place and the damn idiots bought the shit-ass car anyway...

That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's like when someone goes to a used car dealership, pays 25% over fair market value, and walks away thinking they got a great deal.

RedLeader wrote:We were all conned, you dopes! Unless you believe Trump and Hillary were really the best candidates there was to choose from.

Apparently Delt and Mcfan are still biting down hard on this one... Lol

I know you get upset whenever someone talks bad about Trump, but the fact that Trump and Hildog were shitty candidates has nothing to do with people getting conned into believing that Mexico was going to pay for a wall. I've been saying the whole time that the DNC got exactly what they deserved and they helped get him elected by shoving Hildog down our throats. I don't think anyone outside of Trump fans thought that these were really the best 2 candidates. And I'd say that you are the one that was conned if you think you're only allowed to vote D or R.

His whole damn campaign was a used car sales pitch. They ignored the bald tires, didn't notice there was no steering wheel, fluids leaking all over the place and the damn idiots bought the shit-ass car anyway...

That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's like when someone goes to a used car dealership, pays 25% over fair market value, and walks away thinking they got a great deal.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

But some people actually believe(d) that Trump is better/different than Obama or Bush or Clinton. Some people believe that Trump cares about the average American. It should be quite obvious by now that this isn't the case.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

But some people actually believe(d) that Trump is better/different than Obama or Bush or Clinton. Some people believe that Trump cares about the average American. It should be quite obvious by now that this isn't the case.

I still don't (now, this could change any day now), at the present moment, think Trump is on the same team as the neocon / true global elite - which is what sets him apart from Bush/Clinton

deltbucs wrote:But some people actually believe(d) that Trump is better/different than Obama or Bush or Clinton. Some people believe that Trump cares about the average American. It should be quite obvious by now that this isn't the case.

I still don't (now, this could change any day now), at the present moment, think Trump is on the same team as the neocon / true global elite - which is what sets him apart from Bush/Clinton

Has he really done much...if anything since he's been president to show that he isn't at least catering to the true global elite?

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

Hence the con job. Trump is the same or worse than all that they reject. He's already made the government/corporate corruption worse than we've ever seen.

I have an honest question. Hillary Clinton once said that her dream is open borders, do you liberals share the same dream? If so, why do you think it is the ideal approach at this current time in history?

Wharf Rat wrote:I have an honest question. Hillary Clinton once said that her dream is open borders, do you liberals share the same dream? If so, why do you think it is the ideal approach at this current time in history?

Wharf Rat wrote:I have an honest question. Hillary Clinton once said that her dream is open borders, do you liberals share the same dream? If so, why do you think it is the ideal approach at this current time in history?

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Are you referring to Capital, Energy, or People?

People

Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I feel like if these neo-faux-populists get their way we'll eventually not even be able to vacation. Everyone has to stay in their own country. No international travel allowed. I mean, ultimately, it's the only way to really secure your border. Let nobody in or out.

Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

I've voted Libertarian before and will happily do it again, but Rand Paul....no thanks. At least he'd have his daddy in his ear, but he clearly doesn't have morals like his Ron does.

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Looks like I may have been a little rash in my thoughts that Trump has done nothing I like so far. I think the reason for that is probably because of being inundated with negativity from the liberal MSM, left-wing pols as well as some right-wing pols...all of whom seem to have something to lose by not having their "establishment" guy in the WH.

Some things he's done that I was reminded of...

1. Appointment of a SCOTUS that knows his role is to interpret laws not make laws {I agree with this choice.}2. Border Security {When I read how people closest to the problem actually like the idea of a wall, I have a harder time saying no.}3. Repeal regulations {Like, but don't go too far.}4. Defeat ISIS {I'd rather get out of the region altogether but I knew that wasn't going to happen. Since we're staying, I will say I like Trump's approach more than Obama's...at least so far.}5. Tax reform {Like}6. Repeal Obamacare {Like. I can't say it's Trump's fault Congress sucked an egg on this. Besides, it took Obama 14 months to get Obamacare implemented, so I shouldn't have expected Trump to get it repealed/replaced in less than a 100 days.}7. Reel in the EPA {Reel in, yes. Eliminate, no.}

As I said, Trump is less than 100 days in, so it's way too soon to judge his performance. I gave Obama a lot more time than that. He didn't totally lose me until Obamacare was rammed down our throats. I've just got to stop listening to all the 24/7 media negativity.

1. You ASSUME he is going to interpret and not make law. Trump never should have filled that vacancy, but that's water under the bridge.2. What has he specifically done with the border thus far?3. You LIKE coal dust and chemicals in your water?4. I didn't know that ISIS had been defeated. I must have been focused on Russia.5. I missed his tax reform? When did he sign that?6. Obamacare is still the law of the land. can't really call that an accomplishment yet.7. the regulatory Authority of the EPA has no effect on the market price of natural resources. All it does is increase profit margins for the companies that extract them and pollute the environment.

There's way too much to make fun of in that post...but...tax reform? He's pushing his corporate tax cut right now. The one that's cut lower than the middle class. He thinks corporations should pay less in tax than a struggling middle class. Not exactly sure what's to like about that.

Buc2 wrote:I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Looks like I may have been a little rash in my thoughts that Trump has done nothing I like so far. I think the reason for that is probably because of being inundated with negativity from the liberal MSM, left-wing pols as well as some right-wing pols...all of whom seem to have something to lose by not having their "establishment" guy in the WH.

Some things he's done that I was reminded of...

1. Appointment of a SCOTUS that knows his role is to interpret laws not make laws {I agree with this choice.}2. Border Security {When I read how people closest to the problem actually like the idea of a wall, I have a harder time saying no.}3. Repeal regulations {Like, but don't go too far.}4. Defeat ISIS {I'd rather get out of the region altogether but I knew that wasn't going to happen. Since we're staying, I will say I like Trump's approach more than Obama's...at least so far.}5. Tax reform {Like}6. Repeal Obamacare {Like. I can't say it's Trump's fault Congress sucked an egg on this. Besides, it took Obama 14 months to get Obamacare implemented, so I shouldn't have expected Trump to get it repealed/replaced in less than a 100 days.}7. Reel in the EPA {Reel in, yes. Eliminate, no.}

As I said, Trump is less than 100 days in, so it's way too soon to judge his performance. I gave Obama a lot more time than that. He didn't totally lose me until Obamacare was rammed down our throats. I've just got to stop listening to all the 24/7 media negativity.

He repealed regulations that help protect or land and water and you think that's a good thing? Ohh...and he repealed the little regulation on Wall Street to prevent another crash like 2008. That's a good thing for you?He defeated ISIS?His proposed tax plan is plus or minus 3% for everyone unless you make over 400k where it's a 7% break. You think that's good?He hasn't repealed Obamacare. In fact his only proposal to fix it so far didn't change much except give the rich a huge tax break. That's good?Reel in the EPA = Remove regulations that protect our land an water....That's good?

mightyleemoon wrote:There's way too much to make fun of in that post...but...tax reform? He's pushing his corporate tax cut right now. The one that's cut lower than the middle class. He thinks corporations should pay less in tax than a struggling middle class. Not exactly sure what's to like about that.

mightyleemoon wrote:There's way too much to make fun of in that post...but...tax reform? He's pushing his corporate tax cut right now. The one that's cut lower than the middle class. He thinks corporations should pay less in tax than a struggling middle class. Not exactly sure what's to like about that.