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Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Originally Posted by MSgt

I don't understand the lot of you. I'm just going to chop it up to political correctness or plain old comfortable ignorance.

What occurred is indeed a Muslim problem. It is not as simple as explaining it away as a terrorist issue. It is not as simple as explaining it away as an economic issue. It is not as simple as explaining it away as an Israeli/Palestine issue. These excuses in the Middle East merely exacerbate the problem.

Everytime a Muslim seeks God to explain away his/her thirst for murder against a Westerner, we should all think about what they do to each other every day, all day. Muslim slaughter has been perfected by Muslims throughout the centuries. Just look at the situation in recent history....

- Jordanian and Syrian Muslims have killed far more Palestinian Muslim civilians in two events (Black September & Lebanese Civil War) than Israel has managed to do in over 60 years of warfare.

- Muslims slaughtered 100,000s of black Christians and near 700,000 fellow Muslims in Sudan from the 1990s.

- The vast majority of Muslim civilians killed in Iraq (whatever your preferred number) since 2003 were and are at the hands of fellow Muslims.

- Every single violent death in Syria over only the past two years has been at the hands of fellow Muslims and have reached some estimates of Iraqi numbers.

Oh, but according to every single Islamic terrorist, they murder Westerners because they are defending Islam from our attrocities upon them. Only the gravest of retards lend them credibility and comfort in their illusions. Because of their extremely succesful propoganda campaign, Muslims believe in the foreign devil. With Israel being the "Little Satan," the Soviet Union being the "Small Satan," and the U.S. being the "Great Satan," Muslims have designed a way to pretend that all of their problems are externally caused. The greatest enemy any Muslim has ever had since the end of the Crusades was and is another Muslim.

We are witnessing the failure of an entire civilization in terms of economy, society, and religion. Their constant whining about the rest of the world's progress threatening their desire to remain fixed in concrete has cost them dearly. They produce nothing for the world and, besides oil, they only export terror. The populations of the Middle East blew it. They've failed. After thirteen hundred years this entire entire civilization can't even design and build an automobile. And thanks to the wonders of the media age, it's daily rubbed in their faces whenever they see the prosperity of the West. Has anybody read Thousand Nights and a Night? If you have, congratulations because aside from the Koran nothing else worth reading has come from the region in a thousand years.

The Middle East suffers because of its religion. There is little to no recorded history for Arabs before Muhammad and the creation of his religion. I would venture a calculated guess, however, that tribal barbarity and slaughter escallated once it became religiously divine to "defend" tribe. Caliphates have a recorded history for oppressing and abusing Muslims and exciting tribal warfare amongst Muslims for distraction. Nothing has changed. This Arab Spring appears to be their last chance to grow up with the rest of the world.

Look at it another way. Even within Islam the Islamic nations get healthier the further they get from the Arab heartland. Indonesia? Turkey? Muslims thrive throughout Europe and in America because they are free to do so. The closer you get to the Islamic base the worse you find the misery, bitterness, and anger. Islam in the Middle East is set in brittle concrete. People like to pretend or actually believe that the handful of Islamic terrorists (self identified, by the way) here and there are the problem. Wrong. Dead wrong. I submit that airplane and machete wielding Muslims are mere symptoms of a civilizational disease. Whether born and raised in the Middle East or not, too many Muslims all over the world appear very susceptable to the narcotic of blame which has been preached for so long that a Muslim can't get diarrhea without looking to blame Israel, America, or some other "devil" for poisoning the very limited Middle Eastern fresh water supply. In the mean time, they ignore the continuous slaughter of Muslims by other Muslims throughout their region.

You want to know the differene between a Christian nut and a Muslim nut? The Christian nut has to face hundreds of thousands of fellow Christians in the form of preachers, cops, jurors, lawyers, and judges. More often than not, the Muslim nut faces a civiliazation that either publicly applauds, secretly applauds, receives a half hearted admonishment in the ME media, or is apathetic as it avoids the mirror and trusts in the narcotic of blame to avoid truth. Until Muslims rise up against their own bull ****, they have no right crying about being a stereotyped victim of the West. At least when Christians went into a slaughtering religious rage during the Reformation in Europe, they slaughtered each other without the use of foreign scapegoats.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

My point is that Muslims are free to persue whatever they wish in terms of economy, poiitics or religion outside of the Middle East. The further they get from the Arab heartland the greater their potential for success. Those that fester in ghettos while adhering to the propoganda of the Middle East may as well live in any one of the failure MENA states. Something about not being able to take the trailer park out of the girl......?

This rises a whole different issue called immigration. People that leave failing and failed nations for the prosperity of the West expect great and wonderful things for their migration. When they don't get it, they get pissed. They ignore the fact that nobody in Europe invited them and the point of the West is "opportunuty." They are welcome to go back home where they can be slaughtered by another Muslim.

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Most of the extremists who have repeatedly expressed their hatred of British soldiers are themselves supported by the British state. A prominent hate-preacher—Anjem Choudary, a leader of the disbanded al Muhajiroun—was even caught on video earlier this year extolling Britain's "jihad-seekers' allowance." As he explained to his followers, "The normal situation, really, is to take money from the kafir"—a slur for non-Muslims. "Allahu akbar. We take the money."

After the video showed up online, a BBC reporter asked Mr. Choudary to clarify how much he's taking—the press has long reported a sum of £25,000 ($37,770) per year. "It's irrelevant," Mr. Choudary replied.

This would not be the first time a country has paid both sides in a conflict. But if the reported figure is anywhere near accurate, it would surely be the first time in human history that a society has paid its opponents better than it pays its own. A British soldier can expect to start in the army on a salary of around £16,000 ($24,172).

Re: 'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

more from wsj above:

How many ignored warnings does it take

Islamists have been saying for years they would do this. They have planned to do it. And now they have done it.

The attack itself is not surprising. What is surprising is that British society remains so utterly unwilling not just to deal with this threat, but even to admit its existence. Politicians have called the Woolwich killing "unforgivable" and "barbarous." But expressions of anger should not really be enough.

Attempts to attack military targets in Britain go back to before the millennium and even before, it is important to note, the war on terror. In 1998 Amer Mirza, a member of the now-banned extremist group al Muhajiroun, attempted to petrol-bomb British army barracks. In 2007, a cell of Muslim men was found guilty of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier in Birmingham. The plan had been to take the soldier to a lock-up garage and cut off his head "like a pig." They wanted to film this act on camera and send it around the world to cause maximum terror.

In 2009, al Muhajiroun protested at a homecoming parade in Luton for British troops returning from Afghanistan. Carrying banners saying "go to hell," "butchers" and "terrorists," the group was protected by British police officers from an increasingly irate crowd of locals. The resulting outrage toward the police gave rise to the deeply troubling English Defence League, a street protest movement that often turns violent.

Now comes the attack in Woolwich, which the perpetrators—as with the earlier cell—wished to be observed and even filmed. Reports suggest that they invited people to capture their actions on video. The perpetrators gave interviews, machetes in hand, to bystanders with cameras. This horrific scene is something that will stick in the memory.

But it should also have been foreseen. Instead we entered the stage of denial. For there is already, in the reaction to events, more than a hint of what I have previously termed "Toulouse syndrome." The term is named after the attacks last year carried out by a jihadist called Mohammed Merah, who killed three French soldiers in a rampage that concluded with the murders of four French Jews at a school in Toulouse.

In the early stages of the attacks, when little was known, there was significant speculation that the culprit was a far-right extremist. At that stage everybody knew what they were going to say. But once the culprit turned out to be an Islamist, the gaze nearly fell away completely. "Nothing to see here, please move on" was the order of the day.

"Toulouse syndrome" also touched Boston last month. After the bombing at the marathon, media and politicians waited, hoping—some even said as much—that the attackers would be tea-party types. Then everybody would know what to say. But when it turned out to be Islamists?

So it is with the Woolwich killing, which British officials have lined up to denounce. Yes it is sickening. Of course it is barbaric. But what of it? Even all these years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2011, our societies remain unfit for purpose in facing up to—and facing down—Islamic extremism.

Too many still seek refuge in ignorance and denial that was so memorably displayed by U.S. officials after the Fort Hood shooting in 2009. A man who was a member of the American armed forces, Maj. Nidal Hasan, gunned down his colleagues while shouting "Allahu akbar." On that occasion the American government, like the French government before it and the British government this week, decided to focus on everything about the attack other than what really mattered: the motive. Fort Hood was put down to a case of workplace violence.

the editorialist calls it "toulouse syndrome," it might more accurately be described as a policy of playing ostrich