But hey, you're welcome to take him over Megatron, Green, Jones, Marshall....Bowe; whatever. The guy's decent, but he's not a world-beater.

The development of Demaryius Thomas will have a great impact on that offense than plugging in Wes Welker for Brandon Stokely.

Well, he's also the biggest reason Matt Cassel became a Chief.... sure, he won't get you 20 yards per catch, but he's the only WR in recent years to lead the league in YAC, and in the year of Cassel, he beat out the next WR by about 200 yards. Top 10 in the league in receptions, ypg, etc; is a bit better than decent. Developing Thomas simply makes Welker more dangerous in that offense.

Yeah, Idiots are sitting here saying Wes Welker isn't one of the best receivers of all time, or THE SINGLE best slot receiver to ever play the game.

Oh now you're just doubling down on stupid. Of all time? **** me - Wes Welker isn't one of the top 50 WRs to play this game. Probably not one of the top 100. There are 15 guys in the league better than him right now and at least 1 on his own team.

He's an undersized product of a pass-happy system that feeds him passes in short (of which he drops a slightly above average amount).

Tom Brady just built himself another legend. Wes Welker is the WR version of Scott ***** - nothing more. He was smart to play with Peyton where he won't be completely unmasked.

It means Thomas or Decker or hell even maybe both are going to have MONSTER years now.

That is very likely, and you'll see Welker post a modest 75 catch, 1100 yard season, and you'll have 3 receivers posting similar stats for their team.

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What does that have to do with this statement:

You most assuredly did not say he was the most dangerous slot receiver in the league. You said he was the most dangerous - period. That's as stupid a statement as has been uttered around here...ever.

Welker was targeted 174 times last year; I'd say that has a little to do with his lofty catch numbers, don't you? And he's not being asked to make difficult catches up over his shoulder and way downfield - he's squatting into zones and making fairly easy catches. Over the last 4 years he's been targeted 605 times. Yeah, 150 targets/season...no big deal.

Morever, his drop rate really isn't that good. Last season he had 133 catchable balls and dropped 15 of them; a drop rate of over 11%. For the record, Stokely's drop rate was 4.26% Danny Amendola had a drop rate of 3.13.

You're full of shit. Welker actually drops an above average % of passes thrown his way. He's not a downfield threat. Sure, he runs good routes, but that's usually the last argument guys make when they can't explain why a WR is actually catching a bunch of balls. Ultimately, Welker's no Marvin Harrison. He runs decent routes, but they aren't amazing.

Wes Welker is a system WR - the end. I'm not convinced he's even a shred better than Danny Amendola and every rate stat bears that out, even if the raw counting stats do not.

I repeat - Wes Welker doesn't scare me.

I'm not reading through all of that to make a point you don't understand.

Wes Welker for the last 7 years has been the most productive receiver in this league, and the most dangerous.

He isn't the best, and he isn't the most gifted wide receiver ever. He is the most productive, and the most dangerous.

That's what I said, and the NFL's statistics back me up.

He is not a system receiver, and the statistics do NOT back you up on that claim.

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As said before, if Welker is "Best WR" in the league, why didn't every GM go ****ing crazy trying to sign him?

He loves Denver so much that he will take 2 1/2 times less money? You are out of you ****ing mind!?

Because he's not a #1 or #2 receiver like I stated. He's a slot receiver. There isn't a huge market for them right now.

I'm the worst for pointing out that a division rival signed a difference maker for peanuts, while we signed scrubs for $2M a year less?

Ok.

I guess I'm already the worst in your eyes, so I'll go ahead and mention that we traded the 34th overall pick for a game manager QB in an effort to win now against the best QB in the game and his merry band of stud WR's.

One of the first sentences out of our new GM's mouth was that he wanted to "build through the draft."

Then he follows that up by getting rid of the 2nd most valuable pick we have, and in the process, completely devaluing the only 1st overall pick in team history.

You don't have a goddamn chance over the next two years with Manning at the helm, so build your ****ing team to be a ****ing dynasty when he retires. Instead, you're going to spend the two most valuable picks in franchise history on a RT and a game manager QB.

I made a mistake, it happens. Doesn't stop Welker from being the most dangerous receiver IN THIS LEAGUE TODAY, nor the only receiver to post 5 seasons with 100 catches or more, and still be in this league today, with the 2nd greatest QB to ever play.

Jesus, you've gone back to this one.

Repeat this after me:
Wes Welker is more dangerous than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Julio Jones and Brandon Marshall.

Can you do that for me? Just type nothing more than that.

I need something really stupid for my signature and that should be an excellent quote.

Oh now you're just doubling down on stupid. Of all time? **** me - Wes Welker isn't one of the top 50 WRs to play this game. Probably not one of the top 100. There are 15 guys in the league better than him right now and at least 1 on his own team.

He's an undersized product of a pass-happy system that feeds him passes in short (of which he drops a slightly above average amount).

Tom Brady just built himself another legend. Wes Welker is the WR version of Scott ***** - nothing more. He was smart to play with Peyton where he won't be completely unmasked.

Wow, Wes Welker isn't one of the best receievers of all time?

He's constantly and consistently in the record books for things Jerry Rice couldn't do, or, he beat out Jerry's records.