convince me to get dark souls and demon souls

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convince me why I should get these games?
I know about the ...

convince me to get dark souls and demon souls

I'm on the fence about these two games
convince me why I should get these games?
I know about the frustration and "epic" difficulty of the first game
will I like this if I like dragon age and skyrim?
how does leveling work?
any specific vid gameplay I should watch to "enchance" my interest?
it his basically a dungeon crawler? are u solo the whole time? (or most of the time?)
is there classes?

You know for someone who's "on the fence" about getting a game. You are asking questions you should already know the answers too. Because if you are thinking about buying/playing Demon's/Dark Souls. You should already know the answer to every question you just asked in the op.
So either A) you have just become interested in the games. or B) you just made a useless thread. Because no body should have to convince anyone to play a game that they want to play. If you have to be 'talked' into at this point. Than you really don't want to play it anyway.

If you're going to get these games then, forget about Dark Souls and just concentrate on Demon's Souls.
I will be starting Demon's Souls soon, but there are a few games I want to play 1st. You should watch some gameplay to see if you like what you see.

You know for someone who's "on the fence" about getting a game. You are asking questions you should already know the answers too. Because if you are thinking about buying/playing Demon's/Dark Souls. You should already know the answer to every question you just asked in the op.
So either A) you have just become interested in the games. or B) you just made a useless thread. Because no body should have to convince anyone to play a game that they want to play. If you have to be 'talked' into at this point. Than you really don't want to play it anyway.

I can't advise you on Dark Souls as i havn't played it and am also on the fence with it due to varried reviews but Demon Souls on the other hand is brill I just got 1 last trophy to get for my plat . The only thing tho is that the Demon souls servers will be going down some time in 2012.

No, but co-op and PvP are a really fun...even though you never need to play online to earn any trophies. (this is for Demon's Souls...Dark Souls does require online play, but I suggest you ignore the game entirely)

No, but co-op and PvP are a really fun...even though you never need to play online to earn any trophies. (this is for Demon's Souls...Dark Souls does require online play, but I suggest you ignore the game entirely)

I think you're insane. I like Dark Souls a lot more than Demon's Souls. To me they play exactly the same except with Dark Souls you have a limit to how much magic you can use which makes the game harder. I'd say get them both eventually, but start with Demon's Souls first as is cheaper and the servers will be going offline in the near future. You can get Dark Souls later, and hopefully the price will drop by then.

I think you're insane. I like Dark Souls a lot more than Demon's Souls. To me they play exactly the same except with Dark Souls you have a limit to how much magic you can use which makes the game harder. I'd say get them both eventually, but start with Demon's Souls first as is cheaper and the servers will be going offline in the near future. You can get Dark Souls later, and hopefully the price will drop by then.

Dark Souls is an incomplete game and even after multiple patches it's still nowhere near as good as Demon's Souls.

I respect your opinion...but the FACT is that DkS simply isn't a finished product.

I haven't started Dark Souls although I'm staring at the physical game as I'm typing this. If you were to get one of the two, Demon's Souls would be the choice. The games are both very similar, but considering what others have mentioned above regarding servers availability, you should try to take advantage of them still being online. It won't hinder your ability to play the game to its fullest (it is mostly a single player experience), but if you want to take advantage of everything, the game's MP capabilities are fun.

Leveling up works just like many other rpgs: you kill stuff and you gain the game's currency, in this case souls. The difficult part is that if you die, you drop all of your souls on the ground and you respawn back at the beginning of the level with all of the enemies having respawned as well. So you have to backtrack to your previous death spot to regain your souls: if you fail to get to them and you die, you lose those souls forever. The higher your level, the more souls you will need which will force you to stockpile on souls, so if you die twice in a row, you may get very frustrated at your inability to progress. Also, I'd like to point out that you need to play this game several times to platinum it, but once you get to your NG++, your character will be able to easily tackle almost everything and your margin of error in gameplay is much larger. You will at that point be able to make mistakes and still live to laugh about them.

I'm on the fence about these two games
convince me why I should get these games?
I know about the frustration and "epic" difficulty of the first game
will I like this if I like dragon age and skyrim?

Demon's/Dark Souls are not really comparable to these two games. Dragon Age and Skyrim are very mission-based with very specific and narrow objectives where as the Souls aren't. The Souls are about just kicking everyone's ass. Also, I find the combat system much better in the Souls games than in the other two. The movements are more fluid and you have a very robust amount of moves depending on the style of each weapon.

how does leveling work?

Basically, you have a series of about 8-10 stats (e.g., Vitality, Strength, Dexterity, etc.). You go through the game and each enemy you kill provides a predetermined number of souls. You accumulate these souls throughout the course of the game. Each time you have a particular amount available, you can level one stat. Each time you level a stat, you also increase your Soul Level by one level. You can level the stats any way you want, so there is a lot of flexibility in how your builds come out.

any specific vid gameplay I should watch to "enchance" my interest?

Depends. If you don't care about spoilers, look up some "let's play" or walkthrough videos of each. I would say that Demon's Souls is the more polished of the two games. The game is very balanced, and the MP system works like a charm. Dark Souls, while a good game, still has some tweaks that the devs need to iron out.

it his basically a dungeon crawler? are u solo the whole time? (or most of the time?)

Yes, both games are, essentially, "dungeon crawlers". As far as being solo, again, Demon's Souls has the more polished MP system, so if a buddy of yours has the game, you two should have no trouble being able to play online together and co-op to your heart's content. This, is not completely the case with Dark Souls. It is much harder to find your "buddy" through the co-op system, so you'll spend much of your time by yourself. Up to this point, I've only had help from two people in Dark Souls, and those were with boss fights. Other than that, it's been a very long, and lonely journey.

is there classes?

Yes, the game has starting classes that are really only relevant at the beginning (NG). Like I said above, you can take any classes and level it how you want, so you may start off with a melee build (e.g., Knight) and learn a couple of spells and realize that you want to go a completely different route and wind up with a mage. Obviously, it's more cost-effective if you start with a mage to begin with, but my point is that just because you start with a particular class doesn't mean you're bound by it.

Dark Souls does require online play, but I suggest you ignore the game entirely

This isn't necessarily accurate. Online play does help for certain covenants, but you aren't bound by it. You can acquire the items you need to rank up in the covenants for miracles completely offline, but it takes longer.