so, i'm going to be a bus driver. i'm going to kill 50 kids. then you can visit me in jail, tell me a story about how guns make people safer. if i get out, i'm going to blow your brains out. you won't do ****, because you won't have a gun, and of course i will, because i'm a criminal.

Baseball bats are used for baseball. Rope is used for rope things. Knives are used for cutting things. the only thing that guns are used for are killing people, and marksmanship. Marksmanship can be accomplished with small caliber rounds like .22's and stuff. You don't need AK47's with armor piercing exploding rounds and grenade launchers for anything legal or ethical. I'm pretty sure everyone is fine if you do target practice with a .22 rifle, a small caliber shotgun for hunting, or a small caliber pistol for home defense, but fully automatic weapons, armor-piercing rounds, high-capacity magazines, and explosives really should be illegal.

well i think the difference is that if your coming at someone with any melee weapon then (unless your sneak skill is 30+) they have a change to fight back, and call for help. also your stuck with killing one person at a time. meanwhile anyone with a gun can kill a dozen people in a few seconds. I dont think we should ban guns but I just dont like arguments that arent fully thought out.

man all these gun posts are really ridiculous. I mean I guess it's fine that anyone can buy a firearm, you know whether they're mentally stable or not. And let's not forget "2nd amendment muh freedums" yeah when the second amendment was written that was about having a standing militia, which in today's day in age isn't relevant. Let's also keep in mind that when they wrote that there were not any fully automatic, even semi-automatic weapons that were portable and able to more than once without reloading. "DUUUUR if guns are illegal that will only stop law abiding folks from having them not dem der criminals" well it seems to work well enough in other countries doesn't it?

first of all, the 2nd amendment was written at a time when your average person was equally armed as your average soldier (different levels of training and discipline mind you). it wasnt put in place to single shot muskets or they would have said that. it would say: "you have the right to bear a musket, but not a cannon" or something like that. so dont give that same bs no semi auto ****.
secondly, the amendment is there not to save your ass from some random criminal, its to save the ****** country from threats. both foreign AND DOMESTIC. its to prevent a president or congress or the supreme court from becoming tyrants and trampling the rights of the people. no matter how many safeguards you place in government, they will eventually erode and create tyrants and you must revolt, peacefully or violently.
that is why we have guns.
and dont give me that ****, "it works in other countries". no it doesnt. it does stop gun violence (the majority, not all) but you get other crime stats up. london has by far the one of the highest knife attacks per capita in the world. crime will shift. and what happened when those riots in england took place? they got out of control. what did the government do? they armed up. stopped the riots pretty quick after that. what does that tell you?

No it was not meant for just militias, it says that there needs to be a well regulated militia. If there are more guns out there most crime would drop drastically, maybe not the psychotic people, because they are crazy anyway, but criminals get whatever weapon they want, so I believe that there should be absolutely no gun laws. If the criminals come into my house with some automatic weapon, I want something that is equal. www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf

The problem isn't someone invading your house and being killed, the problem is you could have serious mental health problems and you have access to firearms.
This doesn't mean you couldn't be dangerous without access to guns, you could make a weapon out of anything. But outside of a range of lets say 1 meter, the person with the gun will win the confrontation.

Guns laws should at least be more strict. Not banned, but more strict. I mean knife laws here are pretty strict.

Maybe I don't know, have people undergo mental assessment, and make it a lot harder to get a gun. Maybe then less psychopaths would have guns. I mean I know a lot of people say "oh they were nice people really" but if anyone could find underlying psychological problems it'd be a professional. So make the assessment compulsory for getting a gun.

I think the main difference is the other items have other uses. Knife cutting vegetables, bat for baseball. I'm not sure what exactly he strangled him with so skip that one. Guns are made for shooting animals, or warfare. They are hunting weapons, used for killing. We don't use guns for simple everyday tasks, like a knife. Their only use is killing living things. The only other use for guns I can think of is competition.

Guns are a lot like bows and arrows. So why aren't bows and arrows illegal as well, they are used for killing (originally) and are used in competition , well because they are harder to use. A gun is a bow and arrow an idiot can pick up and use in a few minutes. It is very hard for someone to pick up a bow and arrow and become deadly with it. We can't add laws on idiots so they add laws on guns.

In my opinion the thing they should do is make it a lot harder to get guns and have many mental tests to test your mental stability before you can have a gun. Someone told me that in Israel (may have been a different country), you are limited to bullets in your lifetime, and it takes around 2 years to get your gun, with many mental tests during those years. That way the idiots and insane don't get guns, but the people that actually want them and need them get them.

"the bat is used for baseball"
Guns are used for skeet shooting
Target shooting
Hunting
etc.
A bat is essentially a club, it is only good to hit stuff
A gun is a gun, it is only good for shooting stuff
When you look at how often a gun is used for harmless stuff compared to murders and compare a baseball bat used for harmless stuff compared to how often it is used for murders, it's probably about the same, baseball bats are one of the most commonly used murder weapons ever.
But that is neither here nor there. If you look at how often a gun is used for murder compared to harmless stuff, it's about the same as all other "weapons"

Well ****, the same goes for bows and crossbows, no? People use the hell out of them for hunting, and the only time they're relatively harmless (given that the operator knows their ****) is when one is at a range or in a competition.

Mr Crusader, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Baseball bats are made for baseball, guns are made for killing things, and more specifically people.

There are 32,000 thousand deaths a year in the US caused by firearms, are you actually telling me baseball bats cause the same thing?

Because according to statistics 67.8% of murders are caused by firearms, while only 3.9% are caused by blunt objects like baseball bats and hammers and so on.
More people are killed by fists and feet than that, 5.7%.

Politicians have their hands full. Guns of course kill a lot easier but if they made them illegal then criminals will still find a way to get guns and civilians will only have at most a knife. Then, if you made guns legal, you give the cops guns so the few criminals can be neutralized easily, but then again, cops can go mad and kill a lot of people. I really don't have a clue of what they might do next for gun violence.

That's a ******* stupid argument. And I don't think anyone honestly thinks this way except for the same dumbasses in this intellectual ******** of a country who say "HURR DURR GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE WEED IS BAD THO IT KILLS PEOPLE"