Pakistan Considering Hq-9 And Hq-16 Procurement

Han and Defense Review magazine (February 2013), the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the test is completed the latest improved HQ-16B (Red Flag-16B) type surface-to-air missiles, HQ-16B is expected to equip the next batch production 054B frigate. Pakistan consider purchasing HQ-16 and HQ-9, but that the price of your side.

&#12288;&#12288;Han and said that the Chinese Army's 38th, 39th Group Army air defense brigade equipped with a launch battalions HQ-16A, each camp has six launch vehicles. Navy Type 054A missile frigate equipped with HQ-16A. HQ-16A deal with the aircraft's range 3500-40000 meters against cruise missiles with a range of 3500-12000 meters, shot 15-15000 meters high vertical launch INS + semi-active radar-inducing way, the reaction time of 12 seconds, simultaneous attacks 4 targets. Improved HQ-16B against the maximum range of the aircraft was increased to 75 km, is mainly achieved through an improved charge, the charge of the engine compartment lengthened to 0.17 meters, which charge more flight trajectory control software has also been improved .

&#12288;&#12288;Han and said that the September re Northwest Range test the implementation of the anti-cruise missile engaged the subject, developed by the General Staff 60 S200/300 series drone was shot down. There are rumors, HQ-16B is expected to equip the next batch 054B frigate.

Han also said, HQ-16A has obtained the right to export, export-HQ-16A called LY-80. Pakistan Army sources said: negotiations with China have been a number of rounds, the Pakistan Army wants to buy a battalion HQ-16A test and, if necessary, transfer the production license. Pakistan requested the HQ-16A, B-type bomb has just completed the experimental results have also been communicated to the other party. This means that the B-type bomb the right to export to "friendly countries" will soon be approved. Pakistan news sources said, the price of your side of this missile.

&#12288;&#12288;Han and mentioned that Pakistan want FD-2000 (the export version of the HQ-9), the anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 125 km, has now entered the technical evaluation stage, FD-2000 is the product of the China Aerospace Science and Industry Group, Pakistan also think this The missile is too expensive. Pakistan hopes to FD-2000, SY-80 high school empty modern air defense systems.

If this goes ahead this will nicely compliment the SPADA system already in service.

Blessed be the sacred land, Happy be the bounteous realm, Symbol of high resolve, Land of Pakistan. Blessed be thou citadel of faith. The Order of this Sacred Land Is the might of the brotherhood of the people. May the nation, the country, and the State Shine in glory everlasting. Blessed be the goal of our ambition. This flag of the Crescent and the Star Leads the way to progress and perfection, Interpreter of our past, glory of our present, Inspiration of our future, Symbol of Almighty's protection.

I thought we already have FT-2000 in service which is variant of HQ-9.

Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947. As the Creator willed it, the date corresponded with the empowering night of Ramadan 27 of the year 1366 after the Prophet’s Hijra. Its great destiny was thus set from the start

If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Qur’an, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours… Do not be overwhelmed by the enormity of the task… You only have to develop the spirit of the Mujahids. You are a nation whose history is replete with people of wonderful character and heroism. Live up to your traditions and add to another chapter of glory. All I require of you now is that everyone… must vow to himself and be prepared to sacrifice his all… in building up Pakistan as a bulwark of Islam and as one of the greatest nations whose ideal is peace within and peace without… Islam enjoins on every Mussulman to give protection to his neighbors and to minorities regardless of caste and creed. Muhammad Ali Jinnah

The FD-2000 and LY-80, are being acquired by Pakistan Army, not Pakistan Air Force, which is already equipped with Spada-2000. Also, Pakistan Navy ought to be looking to establish fleet of Missile-Destroyers, like the Type-052C, which come equipped with HHQ-9 Long-Range SAMs. These would compliment the F-22Ps, whose strength may be increased from 4 to now 8 Frigates.

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........

........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr .........

........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........

The FD-2000 and LY-80, are being acquired by Pakistan Army, not Pakistan Air Force, which is already equipped with Spada-2000. Also, Pakistan Navy ought to be looking to establish fleet of Missile-Destroyers, like the Type-052C, which come equipped with HHQ-9 Long-Range SAMs. These would compliment the F-22Ps, whose strength may be increased from 4 to now 8 Frigates.

I am pretty sure FT2000 is being operated by PAF as a AWACS killer. We showed interest and than rumors are we acquired the system for that purpose when Indian went for Phalcon AWACS.

Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947. As the Creator willed it, the date corresponded with the empowering night of Ramadan 27 of the year 1366 after the Prophet’s Hijra. Its great destiny was thus set from the start

If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Qur’an, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours… Do not be overwhelmed by the enormity of the task… You only have to develop the spirit of the Mujahids. You are a nation whose history is replete with people of wonderful character and heroism. Live up to your traditions and add to another chapter of glory. All I require of you now is that everyone… must vow to himself and be prepared to sacrifice his all… in building up Pakistan as a bulwark of Islam and as one of the greatest nations whose ideal is peace within and peace without… Islam enjoins on every Mussulman to give protection to his neighbors and to minorities regardless of caste and creed. Muhammad Ali Jinnah

^^ Primary Nuclear Arsenal is with Pakistan Army, which lends support to the opinion that the FD-2000s are being considered by Pakistan Army and not Pakistan Air Force. The latter has already made its choice in the shape of Spada-2000s and procured a substantial quantity of it. Pakistan Navy is also currently looking for Long-Range SAMs that are on board a Missile-Destroyer. If permissible, Pakistan Navy would be looking to procure a small but adequate quantity of Aegis Class type Missile-Destroyers. Perhaps the Type-052C Missile-Destroyer, which would work well with the F-22P Zulfiqar Missile-Frigates.

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........

........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr .........

........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........

You guys should get this system with tech transfer and domestic production. Then use it as a stepping stone to make your own advance SAM just like the Al Khalid Tanks.

Agreed.

As for what everyone else is talking about, I don't think there is any definitive evidence that the FD-2000 is in service or has been acquired. The HQ-16 IS very good news. Pakistan should have a complex network of SAM systems that can engage India warplanes over the their side of the border, before they even have time to acquire targets on our side. If they enter our airspace, it should be saturated with SAM's, whilst our airforce does the rest.

Blessed be the sacred land, Happy be the bounteous realm, Symbol of high resolve, Land of Pakistan. Blessed be thou citadel of faith. The Order of this Sacred Land Is the might of the brotherhood of the people. May the nation, the country, and the State Shine in glory everlasting. Blessed be the goal of our ambition. This flag of the Crescent and the Star Leads the way to progress and perfection, Interpreter of our past, glory of our present, Inspiration of our future, Symbol of Almighty's protection.

There has been some strong rumours emanating online that Pakistan Air Force has acquired the LY-80 LOMADS Air Defence System to compliment it's Spada-2000 ADS. Reports have been posted on various forums like Sino Defence Forum, Facebook and there is a lot of chatter on the rat-indian forums!!

Date of the news is being reported as 6 December 2014. Once confirmed, it would mean a significant development for Pakistan's Air Defence sector which was in dire need of a medium to high altitude SAM system.

It also proves my earlier assessment that the LY-80 (the export version of HQ-16) would be procured by Pakistan Army. Rather now, it would be procured by Pakistan Air Force and would be under its operational command.

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........

........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr .........

........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........

That is some good news finally since 2003 I was the advocate of a better air defence starting with the ft2000 system and getting rid of untested extremely risky(actually failed. 1967 israeli destruction of several countrys air arsenal on ground.) fighter based air defence doctrine leaving airfields very vulnurable unless you have vtol capability but that is alone still expensive if not supported with cheaper effective sam sites.

That being said I hope there is some tech transfer from China or joint production at least the rockets or some parts for a future indigieneous potential.

usa wont like it and will try to discourage to stop another capable state from emerging that can rival its future interests along with Iran.

If some other country offers something else like for example saudis offer their fighters or Turkey offers f16s(you already can produce jf17 and upgrade it with China) etc. I think it is not the right time Chinese sam offer should be considered as higher priority since air defence high altitude sams are lacking in your defense arsenal(also the war plans against you are possibly made considering this situation).

It would be a game changer for both navy and army. What should be considered is how to use them. If they are used statically on ground they can be targeted after satellite images by missiles or ew aircraft jamming and bombers. If positions are changed continiously with decoys ıt would be difficult to target them. For navy these can take out anti ship missiles even faster ones as well.

The next step is also to procure a longer range variant of this sam as friends mentioned.

Also I think there is future in underwater gliders as well mentioned in my another post both stealthy and long range.

-If you have faith and put resistance-hard work to it like defending your people or finding a scientific breakthrough then you channel down blessings the more you put resistance-work. If they believe in lies and covering truth then they put resistance for it work for it and cover truth by darkness and lies. The choice is given to us and thus the responsibility.

- Everything is from Allah. There is no other source of power and all causes are from Allah. This way you don't fall into theist or pantheist fatalism immobilising you.

- Submission, acceptance, let go of the roadblocks that we are sticking to the ego,fears,doubts etc.
We are in a constant war with our nefsh and eventualy we will experience death, the ego what we attach to will inevitably be gone whether we want it or not so do not stick to any result within this process.

- In this process desire everything but dependent on nothing without attaching to any cause but Allah. Everything becomes a tool a window for you. One who loves Allah loves everything from Allah. One who desires Allah desires everything from Allah.

- Take action, resist and be a wider channel for the 99 Forces of Allah. Ibadah is all your life process not snapshots of when you do Salat or dzikhr.
Gradually the false consciousness,the lies will melt away and Truth remains. You will experience what you do is from Allah. Then InshAllah you won't feel alone and disconnected.

If you can be selfless there can be wholeness in your conscioussness. If you can handle the internal battle which is the most important then you remove the blocks within the mind and your mind becomes like a channel. You can crush egos, smash idols, reveal the Truth, always transform and improve. Everything becomes possible. Most importantly it is the ego and lies that we are up against and at the essence the aim is to understand and live fully with the conscioussness of there are no many powers, sources of power like ego or images, only Allah. This fact in turn leads us to the point that it is those lies that makes us and the opponent seperate and prior aim should be on changing the opponent without using violence unless it is inevitable.

Pakistan aims to deepen existing partnerships, attract new partners and build equipment at home, despite economic instability and insecurity. That drive was on display last week at Pakistan’s biennial defense show, the International Defence Exhibition And Seminar (IDEAS-2014). IDEAS-2014 seemed somewhat reduced, since no missile systems or mobility programs were on display. Furthermore, some large contractors, from Western Europe in particular, were absent.Yet Zaheer Ahmad, vice president of Kestral, representing a range of primarily North American contractors such as L-3 Communications, Lockheed Martin, and Sikorsky, said IDEAS2014 was comparable to any other large exhibition in terms of the variety of attendees and exhibitors. A number of key smaller exhibitors were present for the first time.

ByField Optics, a developer of surveillance and security products and manufacturer of leading edge ultraviolet/kinetic eye protection and optics, came from Australia. Czech manufacturer Inflatech showcased its inflatable decoys that reflect radar energy and can simulate infrared signatures. Lithuania’s Helisota promoted its helicopter maintenance, overhaul and upgrade expertise. Yugo-Import, Serbia’s arms export agency, was also a major presence. With local industry the largest presence, the bulk of the remainder came from China, Turkey and the US.

The Sino-Pakistani Karakorum K-8 trainer was notable for being displayed armed for the first time with two AIM-9P Sidewinders, practice bombs and a 23mm gun pod in recognition that it now serves in the advanced jet trainer role.

Most eyes were on the JF-17, Pakistan’s flagship defense project, and Nigeria is reported to be in the final stages of negotiations to equip up to two squadrons.

“So far, there are 11 countries talking to us; so far we have not actually signed any deal,” said Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, director of sales and marketing for the JF-17.He outlined a wide range of improvements and weapons integrated with the aircraft. Weaponry now includes the CM-102 air-launched supersonic anti-radiation missile and GB-6 air-launched standoff submunition dispenser, which were unveiled at China’s Zhuhai Airshow last month.Mahmood said Pakistan is “open to all suppliers” for advanced short-range air-to-air missiles, and dispelled rumors the active/passive SD-10A long-range missile was not fully operational. He stressed the program continues to evolve and potential customers are being offered a partnership, not just an aircraft.

The expected deals for Chinese submarines and Russian Mi-35M helicopter gunships were not signed. Russian Helicopters representatives said only that the deal is “for more than five.” Pakistan’s Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanvir Hussain also declined to directly address the issue, but did say Pakistan is also considering the Mi-28NE Havoc.

Similarly, Chinese and Pakistan Navy officials would not discuss the submarine contract, but Cmdr. Hasnain Ali of Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) said they would likely mostly be built in Pakistan.Other deals have been quietly signed, including those for the third and fourth stealth missile boats being built at KSEW. The remaining pair have yet to be contracted.

Three batteries of the China Aerospace Long-March International LY-80 surface-to-air missile system have been purchased for nearly US $226 million, with eight units of the IBIS-150 air defense surveillance radar for $40 million. A model of an LY-80 battery was displayed, but little further information was forthcoming. Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank, who attended IDEAS-2014, said the LY-80 was a “good system that looks like it will be very effective,” but does not yet know if it will be produced locally as speculated.

NORINCO displayed its SH-1 155mm wheeled artillery system, but Khan said its worn appearance proved it had at least been trialed by Pakistan’s Army, though officials would not comment on this. State-owned armored fighting vehicle manufacturer Heavy Industries Taxilia (HIT) has been busy. Spokesman Lt. Col. Amer Ahmed Khan said it will partner with Belgian engineering firm and licensee Duma Engineering to produce General Dynamics’ Dragoon four-wheel-drive armored fighting vehicle (AFV). Of the initial 15, the Airport Security Force will take 10, with HIT retaining five. It is being promoted to the civilian and paramilitary security services, and for export to Nigeria and Saudi Arabia.

Khan confirmed HIT’s plans to produce the Chinese VN1 eight-wheel-drive AFV are “under process,” but development of HIT’s Burraq MRAP vehicle had been abandoned after the US supplied the MaxxPro. Though the latest variant of the Al Khalid main battle tank was absent, the most modern Mohafiz internal security vehicle was present. It can resist the armor-piercing rounds that penetrated earlier versions.

Also evident was considerable work done in replacing foreign content of the Al Khalid and T-80UD tanks with indigenous equipment to make the systems more affordable and supportable. Similarly, more radical approaches such as a common turret for the main tank types had been discussed, but no action has been taken. The increasing number of simulators was also aimed at reducing operational costs.

Soft Innovative Systems (SIS) is Pakistan’s largest supplier and has partnered with the Military Vehicle and Research Development Establishment to produce shooting simulators and the surface-to-air weapon simulator to train personnel to operate man-portable air-defense systems.

Speaking for SI, Muzaffar Hassan said that knowing it could match quality but undercut the Western vendors, SIS is keen to secure business with developing nations, especially those in Africa. However, a real leap appears to have been made with the Air Force Simulation Environment. Squadron Leader Abid Ali Khan said it started out as an air defense simulator evolving to simultaneously train pilots, air traffic c

ontrollers and radar operators. “All are linked, so use of the aircraft sim will allow the training of multiple personnel without a single aircraft being flown,” he said. “It is very cost effective and we have also sold one to Jordan.”

Similarly, indigenous UAV firms continue to improve and export widely. Although the Global Industrial and Defence Solutions conglomerate showcased its UAV range, the most notable was perhaps Pak Business Aviation’s Enduro. Design head Usman Habib said it was the second such all-electric UAV on the market. Fully autonomous, the man-portable Enduro has a range of 20 kilometers and an endurance of up to three hours.

Though HIT makes an armored Toyota Corolla sedan, there has been a considerable increase in private firms offering the same services due to Pakistan’s security situation.

First time exhibitor Streit Group displayed a wide range of military, law enforcement, and civilian/discreet vehicles, and has opened a small factory near Karachi that has modified many civilian vehicles for international clients based in Pakistan. Also chasing the same clientèle were Pak Armouring and UAE-based International Armored Group, with the latter along with Thai firm Chaiseri also offering tactical security vehicles.

Not to be displaced by their Chinese counterparts, Turkish defense firms are working hard to deepen their partnership with Pakistan. Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) continues to heavily promote its T-129 attack helicopter. A memorandum of understanding was recently signed between TAI and the Pakistani government, but details are unavailable.In the future, TAI also hopes to promote its Hurkus turboprop trainer, but along with software and electronics firms Aselsan and Havelsan, hopes to upgrade the Pakistan Navy’s ATR-72 patrol aircraft. Long time collaborator Yonca-Onuk is also hoping to deepen its relationship with the Navy by offering its MRTP-34 and perhaps MRTP-45 vessels, and hopes to build its MRTP-64 at KSEW under a wide-ranging transfer of technology deal.

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........

........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr .........

........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........