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I have noticed with my 21v the more weight you add the faster the boat has to run in order to get a clean wake.
also the longer the rope the faster you have to run to get the wake clean up at the distance you are riding.
I was taught to weight my boat then run it with no wakeboarder pick the speed and rope lenth that i think is comfortable than adjust based on this.

you want to cross the wake around 2' infront of where the white wash starts on your wake.

If you are crossing in the white wash and do not want to go faster or shorten your rope you have to much wight. Speeding up and slowing down will change where the white wash is forming on the wake.

On my 21v I run around 600 to 700 lb in each rear compartment (1200 to 1400 in the back) front center bag 1200 lb plus an extra 600 in the nose. weight like this i have to run a minimum of 23.6 mph. (The wake is huge at this speed and weight and is most likely more than i really need but there's a couple of guys in my riding group that absolutely kills it like this)

(This setup is good with 4 people total in the boat. we change the amount of water weight depending on the amount of passangers we have in the boat also.)

We like to ride at 24 mph with a 65' rope plus 5' handle.
We start playing a little bit with riding at 70' plus a 5' handle but we have to speed up to 25.4 mph.

Some people say it is stupid and waste gas by weighting a boat like this. I can do all my trick with no weight in the boat and less speed but I do not think it look as good and in my mind i think it feels better.

Some people say it is stupid and waste gas by weighting a boat like this. I can do all my trick with no weight in the boat and less speed but I do not think it look as good and in my mind i think it feels better.

Who in the world is even concerned with gas mileage while wakeboarding???? LOL!

In my 02 I run a strictly bow weight. Locker full then a 400 on top of the front seats, wake plate all the way up. It damn near swamps the nose coming off of plane actually you half to roll out of it. Usually there are 4 in the cabin. I still need to load up the rear a bit to try it but I am running out of summer quickly. Oh and I ride at 22.5 at 70 feet.

In my 02 I run a strictly bow weight. Locker full then a 400 on top of the front seats, wake plate all the way up. It damn near swamps the nose coming off of plane actually you half to roll out of it. Usually there are 4 in the cabin. I still need to load up the rear a bit to try it but I am running out of summer quickly. Oh and I ride at 22.5 at 70 feet.

Mark, you do pretty well for having such a shallow, sorry and not very big, wake. No offense, I'm actually impressed with that tantrum on that wake, it looked good. Don't think I could have done it on that wake. Get some weight in the back of that boat man! Not very much pop it doesn't seem...but you look good nonetheless!

As far as the speed differences, first thing to check is if the speedo is accurate and calibrate it if not. I usually ride at 22 or so. Over 23 feels too fast for me. It appears that most pros (not including Lyman and Vandall) ride around 24. For me, I am more concerned with the wake shape than the speed.

Also, as mentioned, SC boats seem to like bow weight. Although, this may be an illusion. Follow me here: For example, if a boat is loaded 50/50 and runs say 1200#, the wake may be great. However, add 4 people into the mix, and that is another 600-700#, and most of the time they sit in the back (not the bow). All of a sudden, the boat is closer to 35/65, running ass heavy, not planing out, and not holding speed very well. One of my buddies has an interesting approach to this phenomenon. He will fill up his bow and belly sacs, and them add weight to the rear until he gets the wake where he wants it, depending on now many folks are in the boat.

wolffsupra21v is right on with his remarks. The more weight, the faster the boat MUST go to have clean wake. I have also read that the line length should be set so that the rider hits the wake right in front of the curl/wash. That is where the wake will be the steepest.

I have mentioned this before, but technique is the biggest factor. Mine sucks, but guys that are much better than me have landed nice 3s, big tantrums, perfect HS backrolls, and even raleys behind my boat running less than 1000# of ballast.

Re: Maxing outback v wakeboarding

Originally Posted by NCSUmoomba

I have mentioned this before, but technique is the biggest factor. Mine sucks, but guys that are much better than me have landed nice 3s, big tantrums, perfect HS backrolls, and even raleys behind my boat running less than 1000# of ballast.

100% agree. Like I mentioned before, my buddy and I learned our backrolls (along with other non invert tricks) behind my 17' I/O without a tower. It's honestly just improving your technique, and then figure out what works best for you. As you can see, nobody rides the same speed or setup. It's all what feels best to you.

Personally, after hearing how everybody else rides soooooo sloooooow, lol, I will play with slowing it down and see how I like it. Who knows, maybe I don't need to ride as fast behind this lsv as I did behind my Supra.