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Re: Good 40K Novels

They recognise the feeling but it doesn't affect them. This feeling is stronger when you throw a Primarch in the mix.

As far as i recall back in the day only Black Legion was the only SM heritage legion with unbreakable morale. After that all SM legions became unbreakable (unless that changed haha).
Writers mix up the rules and even make up their own. Never read too much into fluff.

Re: Good 40K Novels

I kind of enjoyed The Space Marine battles ,Iron Warriors- The siege of Castellax
because for loyal marines things are always too good and easy they always locate Ork's Top Boss or Tyranid's Brood Queen and .........win ?!?!!!!!!
Those IW got screwd up by the traitor in their midst -a sorryfellow ,type -'why you've rescued me with those hideous wounds ,which mare my beauty looks ?..
Now I pay back !!! ' - he also was a tech-marine lol

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..You are a good person Denny, really a good person!

But believe me they are boring! Also Dan Abnett couldn't save them from the boredom.....

Why? It's simple: They are perfect!....so they are boring!

They are already dead (not a dying fascinating and corrupt Empire, like Terra)! They have no faults! Then GW clearly explained their objectives are not understandable, because too complex and twisted! They are good, and perfect, too good and too perfect compared to the other races of WH40k! You cannot build a love story with their characters because they have a very Platonic sexuality! Their worlds are artificial worlds floating in a meaningless way in the Galaxy! They cannot build a new Empire! They cannot destroy an existing Empire! They are not interested in the profitable goods of the Galaxy! The most intriguing part of the Eldar History is the Webway, but after some trip here and there trought the Webway, GW has stopped to add details about the whole matter (Because any good SF writer would tell you that the Webway is a totally idiotic and silly idea, of course!),...etc....etc.....etc....

I might continue for pages and pages...but the point would not change: The Eldar are boring!

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I recently just finished Titanicus by Dan Abnett, it was pretty epic. Neat look into the Titan Legions, made them very interesting, kinda wanna see the Skittari as a tabletop unit now The image of them reminded me of Alexander the Great's Companions

Re: Good 40K Novels

(Because any good SF writer would tell you that the Webway is a totally idiotic and silly idea, of course!)

What's wrong with the Webway?

Originally Posted by Diocle

Why? It's simple: They [Eldar] are perfect!

Might I ask where you got this idea from? The very essence of the Eldar is 'faded glory' - emphasis on faded. They had their chance and they blew it, they ****ed up and lost their Empire.

They cannot build a new Empire! They cannot destroy an existing Empire!

You could apply that to any faction in 40k; it's an unspoken part of the grimdark fluff. Nothing changes for any of the major factions because you'd risk angering one fanbase or another. That said, GW have taken to using the Eldar (and Elves in WHFB) more and more as punching bags recently XD

Re: Good 40K Novels

I've read many 40k novels in my time and there are definitely some great books out there courtesy of the more popular or modern writers already mentioned. If you go further back though, you can find some real gems. Daemon World by Ben Counter and Pawns of Chaos by Brian Craig are probably my two favourite 40k books. My copy of Daemon World especially has practically fallen apart at the seams, the amount of times I've read it. It's one of those wonderful books where you discover something new every time you read it. When 40k novels leave behind the traditional trappings of the franchise and authors go down more unique avenues, you can find some very original and refreshing works. Dan Abnett's Double Eagle was also very captivating for the same reason, although I wouldn't rate it as highly as the other two.

On a side note, did anyone else pick up any of the philosophical undertones in the (early) Horus Heresy books; False Gods in particularly? Perhaps I was reading too much into it, but I thought there was a definite subtext there. Then again, I was also reading a lot of Nietzsche at the time

Re: Good 40K Novels

Originally Posted by f0ma

I've read many 40k novels in my time and there are definitely some great books out there courtesy of the more popular or modern writers already mentioned. If you go further back though, you can find some real gems. Daemon World by Ben Counter and Pawns of Chaos by Brian Craig are probably my two favourite 40k books. My copy of Daemon World especially has practically fallen apart at the seams, the amount of times I've read it. It's one of those wonderful books where you discover something new every time you read it. When 40k novels leave behind the traditional trappings of the franchise and authors go down more unique avenues, you can find some very original and refreshing works. Dan Abnett's Double Eagle was also very captivating for the same reason, although I wouldn't rate it as highly as the other two.

On a side note, did anyone else pick up any of the philosophical undertones in the (early) Horus Heresy books; False Gods in particularly? Perhaps I was reading too much into it, but I thought there was a definite subtext there. Then again, I was also reading a lot of Nietzsche at the time