Well if the 1 percent actually spent more time and resources trying to improve the lives of their fellow man rather than trying to hoard even more of the stuff they could never spend in 100 lifetimes, there would likely be more goodwill pointing in their direction.

I'm more cynical. Revolutions don't happen just because the 1% exist. They happen when a critical mass of people stop believing they have a chance of they (or their children) ever becoming one of that 1%.

I think state sponsored mega-lotteries are a great tool to prevent that happening.

It's also a matter of just how much the "1%" are leveraging their economical advantage to exploit the general masses.

There hasn't been a single revolution in a country where the general population could genuinely say that "The laws are fair, I can give my children a better future, my personal safety is guaranteed and I have secure access to food, water and housing".

Withhold even one of these things and you're playing with fire. With enough wealth independent of taxes (generally natural resources) you can still hold on to power through armed oppression, but then you'll have to juggle military politics as well.

You can't trust the Liir. Never trust someone that smiles all the time.

Disney buys out most of FOX, but not FOX network programming such as FOX News, which will be spun out into a new corporation. Wonder if this will mean any changes to right wing media. Is it too much to hope the new corporation will not strictly be a Bannon propaganda tool?

It's one of the reddest states in the country, with centuries of racism and the fallout thereof as pat of its legacy. Asking for progress toward blue state attitudes and numbers to happen overnight -- well it could never have happened, and won't anytime soon. It'll take Alabama a generation to move far enough left that it reaches the point swing states are at today, in terms of progressive ideals, if it happens at all. It's to be expected that the margin of victory would be slim. That's not news, good or bad, so much as it's just the reality of the region.

As for black turnout... it was good, yes, but I think the dispiritedness of the Moore vote was the more telling factor.

Actually no...the black vote, especially black women, carried the day. White voter numbers were pretty much on track and still pretty happy with a bible thumping teenager hound. It might be time to just start going around the aging, delusional, white vote and just concentrate on the younger voters of all races and to make minorities more aware and excited about liberal candidates.

Yes, the black vote was strong - about as strong as it was when Obama was president. I will agree this is an excellent result, all things considered. And margins of victory in heavily Republican counties were about what you'd expect. But voter turnout on those heavily Republican counties was very low - only about half as many Republican voters showed up for Moore as showed up for Trump, and it was pretty crippling. Overall they just couldn't muster the vote count, even with normal-ish margins of victory. Some of that is on Moore, some of that is on Trump. But those voters mostly didn't switch to vote Democrat -- they just stayed home.

I agree that conservatives have a big demographics problem coming in the future, as there are a lot more young Democrats than young Republicans, and Trump has only made this trend worse.

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Technically it still has a way to go. The FCC made that vote and all, but it still also has to pass through Congress to not mention courts(and in Congress, some republicans are already starting to break rank to mention support for motions to basically enforce net neutrality anyway. Making me wonder some of the ISP-backed goons forgot to check with their colleagues to see if the loss of net neutrality would hurt some of their own in-party "allies" 's own political donations from businesses that could stand being hurt by the loss of net neutrality).

It's still a tough fight ahead, but really it's only the start of it. And we all knew this particular vote was going to go in this way anyhow.