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I just want to see that combined Pegasus Suseiken he and Seiya will do

And I have to admit as much as I like Yuna, I did not like how they made her sit in the back yelling for Eden and Kouga every 5 minutes this episode. Eden was pretty epic though, I mean he literally tried every possible way to save him (even a non-fighting method like using Aria's staff), too bad none of that worked. I wish they had made him the one to save Kouga instead of having a extra episode just so Yuna could get beat up too. Hopefully that doesn't last long and Seiya shows up quick

A shame her motives were never explained. Why did she hate Athena so much?

I don't think she "hates" Athena, she hates the light she symbolizes, since her and Amor were demonized for having dark cosmos, as he told.
Her dream was to create a world where darkness were the norm instead of light. I remember when she first appeared, Mars' words to Medea were something like "Indeed, light shines the more beautifully when it's engulfed by darkness". I think that sums up Medea pretty well.

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Eden was pretty epic though, I mean he literally tried every possible way to save him (even a non-fighting method like using Aria's staff), too bad none of that worked.

Eden developed a lot over the last few episodes - and it's nice how he himself is now acknowledging how much time he lost grievieng over Aria and trying to decide what to do, which made him lose even more. I'm looking forward to see how he'll turn out in the next arc.

Physical power is NOTHING in Saint Seiya, just remember the several characters with great physical power: Casius, the guy that ended losing against Seiya in the first chapter, Geki the bronze saint that ended losing against Seiya in his first fight in the galaxian wars and Aldebaran the one called by several fans like the weakest Gold Saint, not help that he always lost in the anime, and that in the Hades arc he ends being killed by some small fry, at least the other Gold Saints lost against other gold Saints or against one judge.

Yuna already showed us that she is one of the strongest by defeating a full powered Gold Saint by hrself, somethig that no one else did:

Ryuho defeated a confused Paradox
Kouga defeated a Ionia that lost his fighting spirit
and Haruto defeated someone that wasn't even a real gold Saint

Eden and Souma didn't defeated even one gold Saint

And the Shitenhou weren't even full powered when they fighted, just look their chest, they were more like Zombies that warriors

Physical power is NOTHING in Saint Seiya, just remember the several characters with great physical power: Casius, the guy that ended losing against Seiya in the first chapter, Geki the bronze saint that ended losing against Seiya in his first fight in the galaxian wars and Aldebaran the one called by several fans like the weakest Gold Saint, not help that he always lost in the anime, and that in the Hades arc he ends being killed by some small fry, at least the other Gold Saints lost against other gold Saints or against one judge.

Yuna already showed us that she is one of the strongest by defeating a full powered Gold Saint by hrself, somethig that no one else did:

Ryuho defeated a confused Paradox
Kouga defeated a Ionia that lost his fighting spirit
and Haruto defeated someone that wasn't even a real gold Saint

Eden and Souma didn't defeated even one gold Saint

And the Shitenhou weren't even full powered when they fighted, just look their chest, they were more like Zombies that warriors

... and Aldebaran the one called by several fans like the weakest Gold Saint, not help that he always lost in the anime, and that in the Hades arc he ends being killed by some small fry, at least the other Gold Saints lost against other gold Saints or against one judge.

And for the tenth time: Deep Niobe is not a small fry. He has the capacity to kill any Gold Saint who have no counter technique against his Deep Fragrance, which is a smell. Aries Mu survived because he has Crystal Wall and Pisces Albafica survived because of the smell of his poisonous roses that counter Deep Fragrance.

More like she saved Kouga actually. Though Yuna had to be saved by Kouga 2 times: In the cancer temple(though she ended up saving him) and in the Pisces Temple. And 3 times by Eden, in the Pisces Temple, at the end of episode 48, and at towards the end of last episode. (I would mention the time in the Virgo temple, but he was saving everybody there, not just her). So Yuna is not really stronger than Eden or Kouga. But she is definitly stronger than Haruto, Souma and Ryuho.

So considering this I am really glad she is not the one who defeats Apsu next episode, because if neither Eden or Aria's staff (or even Medea) were able to do anything against him (even though they are way stronger). Then it would have been kind of bad writing if she were to suddenly be able to become so supperiorly stronger. So the real Athena and a Legendary Saint fit more for this role.

And for the tenth time: Deep Niobe is not a small fry. He has the capacity to kill any Gold Saint who have no counter technique against his Deep Fragrance, which is a smell. Aries Mu survived because he has Crystal Wall and Pisces Albafica survived because of the smell of his poisonous roses that counter Deep Fragrance.

But lost canvas is not canon and the speed feats in that series were way less then the canon series. And it took three judges of hades to corner Kanon in canon the original specters were really weak. Now next demsion three judges which is the canon prequel are just over powered

But lost canvas is not canon and the speed feats in that series were way less then the canon series.

Even though Lost Canvas is not considered canon by Kurumada, Teshirogi still made Deep Niobe’s attacks consistent with the canon story. That’s all that matters regarding my point about Deep Niobe.

As for canon story, I already gave you an example that Mu survived Deep Fragrance only due to his Crystal Wall, and even that wouldn’t work if he wasn’t being cautious after he saw that Aldebaran was dead.

Virgo chose not to go all out with him iirc. That's not a "defeat" in the common usage of the word.

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Spoiler for yep. more of my opinions. feel free to ignore:

More like she saved Kouga actually. Though Yuna had to be saved by Kouga 2 times: In the cancer temple(though she ended up saving him) and in the Pisces Temple. And 3 times by Eden, in the Pisces Temple, at the end of episode 48, and at towards the end of last episode. (I would mention the time in the Virgo temple, but he was saving everybody there, not just her). So Yuna is not really stronger than Eden or Kouga. But she is definitly stronger than Haruto, Souma and Ryuho.

So considering this I am really glad she is not the one who defeats Apsu next episode, because if neither Eden or Aria's staff (or even Medea) were able to do anything against him (even though they are way stronger). Then it would have been kind of bad writing if she were to suddenly be able to become so supperiorly stronger. So the real Athena and a Legendary Saint fit more for this role.

Truly doubt that Yuna is stronger than Souma or Ryuho. Haruto could prob kick her butt too. Abzu took out the guys before dealing with Yuna. Souma got most hits out of all of them followed by Ryuho. Most people take out the strongest fighters first and then deal with the weakest last.

Virgo chose not to go all out with him iirc. That's not a "defeat" in the common usage of the word.

Truly doubt that Yuna is stronger than Souma or Ryuho. Haruto could prob kick her butt too. Abzu took out the guys before dealing with Yuna. Souma got most hits out of all of them followed by Ryuho. Most people take out the strongest fighters first and then deal with the weakest last.

Spoiler for you guessed it. More opinions:

I am saying she is stronger than them, because back on the saint fight episode, she was putting up a pretty good fight against Ryuho, and Ryuho was the second strongest Saint in Palestria. Meaning he was stronger than Souma and Haruto, and we have Yuna who was able to go very evenly against him. There is also that part in episode 27 when they were fighting Mars where she took 2 direct hits from Mars, while the others were knocked out on the first hit.

I am saying she is stronger than them, because back on the saint fight episode, she was putting up a pretty good fight against Ryuho, and Ryuho was the second strongest Saint in Palestria. Meaning he was stronger than Souma and Haruto, and we have Yuna who was able to go very evenly against him. There is also that part in episode 27 when they were fighting Mars where she took 2 direct hits from Mars, while the others were knocked out on the first hit.

On the other hand, after Souma trained with Jabu he immediately trashed a Silver Saint that Kouga and Yuna couldn't even scratch. Souma was also the only one able to fight on par with Sonia many times, while Yuna clearly couldn't when she tried. See, it's very easy to come up with examples to prove anything, since power levels in SS are often inconsistant.

I think we're supposed to take Souma, Haruto, Yuna and Ryuhou as more or less even Saints at this point.

And for the tenth time: Deep Niobe is not a small fry. He has the capacity to kill any Gold Saint who have no counter technique against his Deep Fragrance, which is a smell. Aries Mu survived because he has Crystal Wall and Pisces Albafica survived because of the smell of his poisonous roses that counter Deep Fragrance.

This.

Niobe not only killed Aldebaran he also ripped apart Taurus gold cloth to pieces as if was made glass. This changed in the anime of course.

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But lost canvas is not canon and the speed feats in that series were way less then the canon series. And it took three judges of hades to corner Kanon in canon the original specters were really weak. Now next demsion three judges which is the canon prequel are just over powered

Radamanthis' Great Caution almost killed Kanon, he(Kanon himself) even said that the reason he didn't die was because a pillar saved him from falling down to hell.

Regarding power levels when they're not burning cosmo like Hummers it goes like this IMO:

I am saying she is stronger than them, because back on the saint fight episode, she was putting up a pretty good fight against Ryuho, and Ryuho was the second strongest Saint in Palestria. Meaning he was stronger than Souma and Haruto, and we have Yuna who was able to go very evenly against him. There is also that part in episode 27 when they were fighting Mars where she took 2 direct hits from Mars, while the others were knocked out on the first hit.

Well that fight never ended (Yuna vs Ryuho). And.. the person who punched Mars was Koga, not Yuna, during the Mars battle.

Well that fight never ended (Yuna vs Ryuho). And.. the person who punched Mars was Koga, not Yuna, during the Mars battle.

But Yuna withstood two attacks from Mars while all the others (expect Kouga) were blown aways with just one attack. Clearly whoever was in charge of that episode wanted to portray Yuna as the second strongest of the group (after Kouga). Although, as someone said before, power levels are pretty inconsistent in this series.