adamlink:"Consider what happened in Australia after a crazed gunman killed 35 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in 1996.

The Australian federal government persuaded all states and territories to implement tough new gun control laws. Under the National Firearms Agreement (NFA), firearms legislation was tightened throughout the country. National registration of guns was imposed and it became illegal to hold certain long guns that might be used in mass shootings.

The gun ban was backed up by a mandatory buy-back program that substantially reduced gun possession in Australia.

The effect was that both gun suicides and homicides (as well as total suicides and homicides) fell. Importantly, while there were 13 mass shootings in Australia during the period of 1979--96, there have been none in the sixteen years since."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/donohue-gun-control/index.html

Also during those sixteen years, violent crime has dropped just as much in the U.S. as it has in Australia from 1995 to 2007 Australia-31.9% declineU.S.-31.7% decline
"My arrival, was badly timed"-Hunter S. Thompson "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas".

"whoever created and sold those Treyvon Martin targets were pro-gun nuts! you can quote me on that..."--DRII

BRG:Im going to say this again, the Swiss have 1 gun for every three people and yet they have very very low crime rates. Just pointing that out.

And they require a lot more work to get than in the States, like getting a permit. More lethal types of guns and accessories, require another permit on top of that. Would you be ok with a similar system?
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BRG:Im going to say this again, the Swiss have 1 gun for every three people and yet they have very very low crime rates. Just pointing that out.

skpensfan:And they require a lot more work to get than in the States, like getting a permit. More lethal types of guns and accessories, require another permit on top of that. Would you be ok with a similar system?

Not really no, I wont lie.But the Swiss also have a very strong civil defense culture. Thats something the US has lost over the decades. Heck the US may never have had it.

BRG:Im going to say this again, the Swiss have 1 gun for every three people and yet they have very very low crime rates. Just pointing that out.

skpensfan:And they require a lot more work to get than in the States, like getting a permit. More lethal types of guns and accessories, require another permit on top of that. Would you be ok with a similar system?

BRG:Not really no, I wont lie.But the Swiss also have a very strong civil defense culture. Thats something the US has lost over the decades. Heck the US may never have had it.

To me, the fact Switzerland has so many guns but so little gun deaths is a great argument in favour of permits and more control.

I think I know what you were going for tho. Just that lots of guns doesn't automatically mean lots of gun deaths.

Yeah, a lot of the guns in the country are army issue. The soldiers keep their arms in their own house.

Switzerland may show that even a country with lots of guns, if done properly, doesn't need to have a lot of gun deaths. But you don't like it. I find that strange.
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To those of you who think banning, restricting weapons, ammunition, etc, is the answer, do you REALLY think someone who is willing to commit murder is going to care that their weapon is illegal??

Do you have any idea how stupid of a notion that is??

Most people want that in conjunction with things that will make a difference, mainly some restrictions on who will be able purchase a gun.
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Yes, someone who wants to murder someone, but can't legally buy a firearm, would never possibly just steal it from somewhere.

Nope, couldn't happen.

It wouldn't happen as often.

My sister-in-laws brother-in-law was denied a permit to purchase a gun here in Canada. He wanted one to kill himself. Eventually, a year later he bought one black market and did the deed. Some would argue that clearly the system doesn't work, he killed himself anyway. It's not perfect, but it's better than a free for all. His children will argue that the extra year that they got to spend with their dad was priceless.

Also, I don't think most murders are that planned. I would think most are reactionary and in the moment.
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adamlink:"Consider what happened in Australia after a crazed gunman killed 35 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania, in 1996.

The Australian federal government persuaded all states and territories to implement tough new gun control laws. Under the National Firearms Agreement (NFA), firearms legislation was tightened throughout the country. National registration of guns was imposed and it became illegal to hold certain long guns that might be used in mass shootings.

The gun ban was backed up by a mandatory buy-back program that substantially reduced gun possession in Australia.

The effect was that both gun suicides and homicides (as well as total suicides and homicides) fell. Importantly, while there were 13 mass shootings in Australia during the period of 1979--96, there have been none in the sixteen years since."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/donohue-gun-control/index.html

ckh1272:Also during those sixteen years, violent crime has dropped just as much in the U.S. as it has in Australia from 1995 to 2007 Australia-31.9% declineU.S.-31.7% decline

BRG:No amount of gun regulation will stop mass killings. Thats just how it is.

adamlink:History has already proven you wrong.

BRG:Common sense has proven me right The fact that you cant understand history is none of my concern.

adamlink:Common sense has proven you wrong, again and again.

The fact you are ignorant of history is none of my concern.

No smiley face.

I know history ALOT better then you do, then you ever will.No country has the protections afforded to its citizens like the US does. No country has the gun culture like the US does. Using some other countries example of gun control does not work, simple as that.