I don’t think we immediately go to the highest degree, or even some degree. I doubt I could cite any scripture to support this, but I personally think that we have much more to learn beyond this life before we become anything like glorious. Mortality is a good beginning. Of course, I might be completely wrong. What I absolutely believe is that we will reunite with our Heavenly parents and with Jesus Christ and feel a kind of love which cleanses us of our guilt and fear and selfishness. Then I believe the ministry continues. I guess we’ll all find out, won’t we.

I was once in a stake meeting, and I made a snarky remark about never wanting to be bishop. A visiting GA stood, pointed his bony finger at me and said, ‘If you don’t want the responsibility of being a bishop, then you don’t want the responsibility of being in the Celestial Kingdom.’ So there you go.

I just remember the parable in Matt 25 about who will be on the right or left hand of the Savior and find myself somehow lacking. I find myself also wondering about the availability of penthouses in the Terredtial Kingdom.

I really dislike these kinds of questions, and I’m not entirely sure why. On the surface it seems harmless enough, but really there’s a whole lot of questions about personal desires, worthiness, pride, and authority all mixed up together, and any one answer could have a wide array of positive and negative meanings.

But what we are saying is that when the saints of God chart a course of righteousness, when they gain sure testimonies of the truth and divinity of the Lord’s work, when they keep the commandments, when they overcome the world, when they put first in their lives the things of God’s kingdom: when they do all these things, and then depart this life—though they have not yet become perfect—they shall nonetheless gain eternal life in our Father’s kingdom; and eventually they shall be perfect as God their Father and Christ His Son are perfect.

I’m not sure about the process or how long “eventually” is, but I guess that his description of those who obtain celestial glory includes a number of those who voted themselves likely to be included in a different category.

This all just makes me laugh. I mean, it’s a simple question, but look at all the hand-wringing and definition-wrangling. We don’t even seem to understand our own basic concepts of salvation and exaltation! No wonder others don’t understand us.

And yes, I know I’ve offended some by this comment. I’m ready for the wrath. Brang it.

Before I was 8, I used to hope I would die before that age because I figured that was the only way I could make it to the CK. After that for a long time I was jealous of the kids who died before they were 8.

I wonder if many Mormons get what a big deal this question actually is?

Having been debating with Evangelicals for the past year, I can tell you that the question on this poll is actually one of the thornier theological dilemmas in the LDS Church.

Personally, I’m hoping for some substantive discussion of this issue to arise eventually (once we’re all done being funny). Because it’s honestly an Evangelical criticism of the LDS faith that I don’t have a great answer for.

was once in a stake meeting, and I made a snarky remark about never wanting to be bishop. A visiting GA stood, pointed his bony finger at me and said, ‘If you don’t want the responsibility of being a bishop, then you don’t want the responsibility of being in the Celestial Kingdom.’ So there you go.

Whatever happened to teaching that you shouldn’t aspire to callings? ;-)
Seriously though, if the CK is filled with people who acted like that, I’d consider it HELL to be there!

Then again, the CK is supposed to be presided over by some white bearded guy, who has a habit of kicking his disobedient kids out of the house, so I probably don’t want to hang around someone like him, either!

The afterlife is just like this life, just without a body or the scarcity of the world we live in (okay, that’s pretty different; but people are still the same). The celestial kingdom isn’t some kind of a prize, it is a trust.

When the veil is removed at the day of judgment and I see the relationships I have squandered and injured, my own sense of “right conduct” and justice will be my judge; BUT it is a subjective, personal sense of what I feel I should have done for others, not some impersonal “Justice.” In this sense, as Joseph Smith taught, men are their own judges. I don’t claim that final judgment is a subjective personal assessment. I claim that final judgment is a subjective experience. The nuance lies in the idea that the experience is not a mental exercise but the rather the idea that who we are and how we relate to others is part of our being. In other words, who we choose to have a relationship is self determined and also determined by those who choose to have a relationship with us. I don’t just “go” to heaven, heaven is part of who I am.

I see inheriting different kingdoms and responsibilities after resurrection being strictly determined by our abilities and our prior faithfulness with other tasks. If someone has an ability to accomplish something and God feels he can trust them, he will give them that responsibility. In this sense works play a huge role, not that we get “rewarded” and let into heaven as a result of our works; but the idea that prior faithfulness is a prerequisite to future tasks. I believe that there is no reward outside of purposeful work that is being described in D&C. I also believe in the heresy of progressing after the resurrection, even from one kingdom to the next.

I don’t know either. I’m agnostic about a literal interpretation of the teaching of the three kingdoms (with the CK being divided into three subkingdoms). I sometimes wonder whether the teaching of the 3 kingdoms is just God’s way of giving us some concept about the afterlife, but that the organization of things there is something that we can’t even fathom with our limited mortal minds.

You know, I haven’t thought about this in a long time, and really considering it is rather scary. I’m pretty convinced now that I’m going to hell. Even though I am a practicing Mormon, I agree with Randall. Give me annihilation.

Universe is way different than we can imagine. The CK is way different than we can imagine. God is way different…. And what the heck do we do for an infinite time, have our memories erased and start over when they are full? What is eternal ennui?

What happens if the parable of the workers in the vineyard is more true than you could ever imagine, that all manner of people slide in on long coat tails? On your work? Would you be unhappy with that?

What if Hitler were a slider? Presumably he can repent like all of God’s children. What if he were an angel of perfect light who volunteered to do the very worst and most nasty job so that we could have the experience of seeing someone as bad as this?

Defiantly yes. I say that because as I understand things I will judge my own self and that, ultimately, we will go where we are comfortable and be where we’ve chosen to be. I’ve already decided that I’m in no matter what the discomfort level I experience I’m ready to stay up in the highest kingdom. I’ve lived as an evolutionary biologist and Democrat in Utah valley and I am so ready to be the dirty beggar at the table of nicely dressed guests.

Determining where we go – in the final analysis – isn’t as subjective as some are making it out to be. Section 76 gives us a basic outline, Section 88:20-42 give us a basic idea of the judgement process, and Matthew 5-7 give us a basic idea of how Celestial People behave. Take into consideration covenants (and for priesthood holders, the oath and covenant) and commandments, and…waalaa, you got yourself a formula.

I voted for some kingdom of the CK because otherwise I need to be more careful when I’m crossing the street, and maybe stop listening to my iPod when I’m walking around town, because I don’t want to be hit by a car and get sent to some lower level…maybe I should listen to MoTab on my iPod just in case…

The idea of kingship (and therefore kingdoms) does not antedate the city. It has a maximum age of around 5000-5500 years.

I can, by a stretch of the imagination, conceive of a celestial afterlife, since the ego is illusory and consciousness, although real, may well be pervasive in ways beyond our fleshly experience. The destruction of the ego can therefore be seen to be rejoining a universal or at least non-incarnate consciousness. Celestial, I can allow, with reservations.

But to impose the concept of a king, or a kingdom, onto these ideas is self-evident folly; the onus is on the believer to explain his belief, not the other way around. So, IMO, there is absolutely no chance I will enter any kind of celestial kingdom after death – and nor is there that anyone else will.

I answered “Yes, some kingdom” because like all polls, this one didn’t give me a choice for the answer I really meant. I’m with Margaret that there’s a lot of time between now and the CK for us to become perfected. This is one pretty cool level of the game, and probably a long way from the bottom level, since we have bodies and all, but I think dying will only be like leveling up one level in what’s most likely an infinite game. I believe in eternal progression, after all, and eternal means eternal. So I may suck now but I have a promise that if I really want it and I work for it diligently and continue to try my best, eventually, ages and ages hence, I’ll achieve any level you can name. So that’s what I hope to do.

The point is being on the path, not necessarily where you are on the path. That is how one expresses loyalty. If I understand what I read and experience, as long as one has taken the made the covenant of baptism, has kept that covenant and received the baptism of fire, and has endured in that covenant in spite of attendant difficulties and received light upon light and grace upon grace, you’ll be ok. The parable of the talents applies, and some of the others, as well. The problem is, no one knows what the path is because they are so busy doing things like making a living and trying to be on time for their church meetings or gratifying their various carnal urges.

Just as aside, and not at all relevant to the question: I had ramen noodles, a piece of string cheese and grape soda for my dinner. Delicious!! ~

I’m missing the point as to how pondering your likely trajectory is harmful, ill-advised, or silly.

Maybe a better, less painful question would be to ask:
“With what probability in this life can one know their position in the next life (excluding the issue of having your calling and election made sure)?”

I said some kingdom because I assumed that meant some level within the Celestial Kingdom, only because I’ve been baptized and gotten my endowments, and I’m really really hoping Heavenly Father will let me squeak through on those grounds. But I felt kind of guilty being so presumptuous.

Oh, and I used to wish I would die before I was 8 too. But when I really started pleading for my own death, was when I used to plead with the Lord to let me die before I started my period.

I not only wished to die before I was 8, I tried to find a way to kill myself. I wasn’t depressed, I just thought it would be best to be 100% guaranteed the CK. Thankfully I wanted to do it right the first time, and I didn’t ever find a method I considered to be surefire enough.

These days, I’m glad I didn’t die, but I wonder whether it would have been better from a personal salvation standpoint.

Give me some help on “always remember him.” I’m trying right now…oops, diverted to type…trying again…oops, diverted by hunger…trying again…oops, had thought you might think I’m a smart Alec.

I offered to stop, because I can’t seem to “always” remember him, but I was instructed that I should only not take the sacrament if I had a sin worthy of confession to the Bishop, and to focus more on “willing” rather than “worthy”.

Do people of such diverse self-views want to hang with each other in the hereafter? I’ll take the fold out sofa.

Tracy- Always remembering Him is not an attentional promise- your end of the covenant does not require unending prefrontal cortex activity devoted solely to recollecting some cognitive mapping of God or subset(s) of facts about Him.

What you are actually covenanting to do is to make more covenants in the temple, to keep those, to serve God and His children, and to be obedient. ‘Always remembering’ involves these activities. I would kindly suggest you expand your conception of what the term means.

I’m not sure if this is what you meant in your comment, but willing is definitely an important operative word in the sacrament prayers. I agree with you there.

I’m pretty sure that self-views converge as people get closer to Christ.

Believing Christ talks about Christ being infinitely perfect, and us being not perfect. Infinity + anything still equals infinity, as does infinity – anything still equals infinity. I gain great comfort in that.

And yes, had Adolph Hitler died the day before his eight birthday, he would have gone to the Celestial Kingdom… because he was perfect. Just as my baby who died not long after birth will be in the Celestial Kingdom.