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Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

Fair enough on Rigid being better than Dewalt for a circular saw. I can't argue on that. ****, if you asked me straight up which one of those two I preferred based on the design alone, I'd have said rigid hands down for the reasons you mentioned. I have to admit that I assumed the US-made brand you were talking about was Skil (and that they were cheaper in Texas), but I just looked it up and apparently Skil stopped making saws in the US in 2007 (right when I stopped having to buy new tools each year).

You do make some good points about the management, too.

Skil is like Black and Decker (B&D) that makes 99% throw away junk for Harry Homwowner, although B&D is trying to bring out a "pro" line. But Skil/B&D do make good, and cheap, accessories like blades/bits, saw horses and tool stands/legs/tables that work quite well. The Lowe's brand, Kobalt (also imported), makes some good (but not best) tools/accessories and has some clever variations of their own. Milwaulkee tool (and its partner Delta tool) make very good U.S. tools but they are a union labor shop and thus very expensive. The Japanese and Germans make some pretty good quality tools/accessories as well. The best part of a global market is the competition, as each must try to one up the other, while still not pricing themselves out of the game. ;-)

Last edited by ttwtt78640; 06-27-12 at 03:39 PM.

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Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by ttwtt78640

I'm not sure about that. The SCOTUS seemed to have said that revokation of the business license was OK but that fines were not. Shutting down an entire company, because it hired an illegal alien, seems to be overkill. That may put hundreds of citizens out of work, and cost the business owner millions, for the fault of a single lazy manager that failed to check ID properly. I can see shutting a company down for repeated violations, but a steep fine seems sufficient to act as a deterent.

I disagree. A fine just becomes a cost of doing business.
Revoking a business license has a marvelous way of focusing one's mind.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by ttwtt78640

I doubt that very much. Saving $5/hour by using illegal alien labor is not worth $100K fine for each such employee found. Many companies, like Walmart, have several stores that hire independently. What if a business (or public school) had hired an illegal alien to mow their grass, would you shut that place down?

What if games are for children.

I do like the idea of shutting down public schools. We should get the government out of education either way.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by ttwtt78640

Skil is like Black and Decker (D&B) that makes 99% throw away junk for Harry Homwowner, although B&D is trying to bring out a "pro" line. But they do make good, and cheap, accessories like blades/bits, saw horses and tool stands/legs/tables that work quite well. The Lowe's brand, Kobalt (also imported), makes some good (but not best) tools/accessories and has some clever variations of their own. Milwaulkee tool (and its partner Deltl) make very good U.S. tools but they are a union labor shop and thus very expensive. The Japanese and Germans make some pretty good quality tools/accessories as well. The best part of a global market is the competition, as each must try to one up the other, while still not pricing themselves out of the game. ;-)

Aw, come on now, Black and Decker doesn't even have 1%. I'm only talking about the Skil worm drive circular saw (aka their 1%). Not their other tools, which are crap. I once made the mistake of buying a skil drill and tossed it off of three-flat in about 10 minutes.

Milwaukee has a big service center in Niles IL (a suburb of Chicago not far from me) so I used to buy a lot of their tools, although they are expensive.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by clownboy

You know, that's a great suggestion for Arizona to send a bit of the feds' treatment back to them - no drug smuggling help. Don't house or help the DEA in any fashion. No backup from local and state LEOs. The state LEOs will still enforce state and local drug laws, but will no longer enforce, house or help federal drug enforcement. Quid pro quo.

I think the states being ****ed over by the Regime should refuse to send taxes to the feds. Stop withholding. And refuse to assist the feds until we have a regime change.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Obama is not King. And we see this everywhere from health care to taxes to the economy. Only an idiot thinks he's king. The court ruled here.

He has become a dictator, a tyrant. He is acting in extra-constitutional ways. He is selecting which laws he will enforce and which he will not. He, along with the courts, are acting against the American citizen. We must have regime change in the US.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by j-mac

Any other administration I would agree with you, but this one? I am not so sure anymore....Obama is effectively saying he will not enforce the border in AZ, nor lend any federal help in doing so. I thought he took an oath?

He promised fundamental transformation. We have moved from a free people to people living under a regulatory tyranny. The one term Marxist did not do this by himself. President Bush set the stage. Shame on him.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

If you scroll down, you will see that the mean hourly wage for Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL Metropolitan Division is $25.37

Mean, meaning the average.

The fact that I have experience was enough for me to know that you didn't have a ****ing clue about what you are saying. The above is simply verification from an outside source that you are, indeed, clueless.

Um, those are wages NOW, not during the peak that you were talking about, nor are you including any benefits (health, dental..), but go ahead and tell me again how you were paying benefits, meeting the wage levels for that time and again how US workers were "lazy".

They weren't lazy, they were not attracted to what you had to offer, they found BETTER offers.

Originally Posted by trouble13

If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

Originally Posted by ttwtt78640

You are being UNBELIEVABLY dense, AND purposefully distorting things. Of course AZ is likely to have more illegal aliens of Mexican origin than the U.S. average, as they are a border state with Mexico. That is the strangest thing about "averages", is it not? Some places have WAY MORE illegal immigrants than others; perhaps you think AZ has only the average number of them?

I often wonder why those on the left despise American citizens and prefer illegal aliens. If you do a quick review it is all the usual suspects who believe allowing illegals in and allowing them to stay is a good thing. It does not matter to them that American citizens are harmed. It is especially true if the Americans who are harmed are in the bottom half of wage earners.

Re: The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

For those I've been debating with in this thread:

I've been thinking about the "lazy Americans" rhetoric I've been using in this thread and I realize that I owe people an apology. It was way over the top and doesn't accurately portray my views. My apologies to anyone I have offended with this over-the-top and uncalled for rhetoric.