Why I don’t want women to become ‘equal to men’

We need to stop saying that women want to be equal to men – or that we are striving for women to be seen as the ‘same as men in society’.

After many a frustrating conversation with people who have somehow managed to mix up egalitarianism, equalism and feminism, this blog feels timely.

There’s only so many times we should have to explain that feminism is NOT a movement to make women equal to men. Feminism undoubtedly means different things to different people, but can we stop watering it down now? The dumbing down of feminism has gone too far in the third wave. I have heard feminism defined as everything from ‘the belief that all people are equal’ to ‘feminists believe that women should be the same as men in society.’ What? Nah.

Feminism is not ‘for the equality of all people’. Feminism is not ‘the belief that women should be treated the same as men.’ Feminism is not ‘the movement to make women equal to men in society.’ Feminism is not equalism.

Feminism is the liberation of women and girls all over the world from the patriarchy and misogyny that continues to harm and oppress them as a class of people. Feminism centres women unflinchingly and unapologetically. Feminism is the conversation about women’s issues in the world; without having to add some tokenistic sentence at the end acknowledging that men also experience some things too. Yah, we know. But we are talking about women right now, so hush.

The problem with saying that we are working towards women becoming equal to men is that it frames men and male cultures as being the optimum culture or the ideal goal that women should reach to become equal.

I’m here to say: what a crock of shit.

For women to be valid, whole human beings in society – feminism has got to move beyond this notion that women are striving for what men already have. I don’t want anything men already have. None of it. It’s a mess.

If we take modern men and male experiences as the ‘goal’ level for women to achieve in personal life and society, what would success look like?

Would success mean that women’s suicide rates rise to the same levels as the male suicide rate because as women reach ‘equality’ they must follow the patriarchal value of eradicating ‘feminine’ emotions and expressions, including talking about their feelings and seeking help?

Would success mean that women’s cancer mortality rates rise to the same rates as men because as women finally reach the almighty peak of maleness, they also stop seeking help for medical issues because of embarrassment, and just like men do now; they begin waiting until a health problem has become unbearable before they seek help, meaning cancer has usually spread and is more complex to treat?

Would success mean that women significantly increase their rates of violent crime and interpersonal violence to match that of men around the world?

Would success mean that women increase their murders of their partners and ex partners by at least 200% to match the rates of women killed by male partners and ex partners each year?

Would success mean that women increase their rates of sexual violence, trafficking and exploitation of men and boys at an unprecedented rate never before seen in history to achieve ‘equality with men’?

Would success mean that women become the most likely group to die in gun and knife violence with other women all over the world?

Would success mean that women working in aid roles begin abusing, sexually assaulting and sexually exploiting boys in deprived areas to match the male role model we currently have?

Would success mean women in power developing regimes in which baby boys were murdered or aborted because no one wanted a son?

Would success mean that women must begin carrying out many more terrorist acts and mass murders all over the world, especially school shootings – to claim equality with the men?

Is this what we mean by ‘feminism is the movement to make women equal to men’? Or when we say this, do we just mean the ‘good’ bits like higher salaries and more power in society?

It’s not. This is the stuff of nightmares. No one wants this. Even people who claim to hate feminism and claim that women should be equal to men in all arenas don’t REALLY want to see this level of sex equality. No one wants this in the world. No one wants women to step up to match what men already have.

I don’t think we’ve thought through this whole ‘we want women to be equal to men’ thing. I don’t think we have realised that we have framed male issues and experiences as the goal we are all supposedly striving for, and what that would actually mean for us all. All sorts of people hark on about how women finally being ‘the same as men’ in society would mean that we were respected, paid higher wages and would be safer. It’s bollocks.

The reality is, we cannot assume that what men in have society is the standard we should be striving for as women. Men are miserable and harmed daily by the patriarchy – they just haven’t figured it out yet. Men’s rights activists kick off on twitter about male suicide rates but don’t look into the way male gender role stereotypes they support; are harming them every day. Campaigns argue that men and boys are also victims of rape and that is absolutely true – but do not admit that the vast majority of perpetrators of those crimes are men. Activists argue that men are significantly more likely to be killed in violence than women which is also correct – but the fact that more than 97% of violence and murders are committed by men seems to escape them. I’ve even seen campaigns from men’s rights activists arguing that family courts are biased against fathers and men – and there is some truth in that claim – but to them I say this:

The laws about family court weren’t written by women. The legislation about children remaining with their mothers was not signed off by women. The majority of all judges are men. Legislators were men. Policymakers were men. The research that the majority of family court attachment and bonding theory was based on came from JOHN Bowlby. A man. A lot of the legislation and policies were developed in a time where men were the breadwinners and women were the childrearers. It made sense to the men in power that women should take care of the babies and men should go out and do important man things. Nowadays, MRAs are positioning that as ‘reverse sexism’ – but actually, its a legacy from the patriarchy. The assumption that you wouldn’t want to play an active part in your kids’ lives, dreamt up, supported by, signed off by and judged by your fellow patriarchal family court judge. Think about it. Women were not in influential positions at the time these systems were being developed. Women did not orchestrate these patriarchal systems. Men did.

All of the things wrong with society at present (and all of the things that even MRAs hate about society), were created by, funded by, legislated by, demanded by, invented by and sold by men. Therefore, why should feminism support a movement of women ‘becoming equal to men’? In fact, why should we be using male experience and cultures around the world as a blueprint at all?

There is something important to be said here. Feminism is the movement towards liberation of women and girls from the oppression and control of the patriarchy – but actually, the real change will come for the world when we rise up and dismantle the patriarchy together. The destruction of patriarchal and misogynistic values benefits everyone.

As a woman who is proudly radical feminist, is a specialist in the psychology of sexual violence against women and girls – but is also the Chair and Founder of the first male mental health and wellbeing centre in the UK, serving around 150 men per month – I can see that the patriarchy is killing all of us.

Men come into our centre having been abused, neglected, sexually exploited, having suffered with mental health issues and lived in misery for decades and they sit in front of us and say ‘I thought I should just shut up and put up – be a real man and not ask for help.’ Men so harmed by gender role stereotypes that they cry in therapy and then apologise for crying because it means they are not a ‘real man’.

The best way I have found to explain it to people is that the patriarchy harms men, but oppresses women. Often times, men hear us talk about the patriarchy oppressing, killing and dehumanising women – and when we say ‘patriarchy’ they hear ‘all men’. Hence the annoying phrase NAMALT (not all men are like that!).

My view, is that if men could detach themselves from the patriarchy and see how it harms them and makes them miserable, they would stop fighting against feminism as a movement. However, and this is important, it does mean that we have to actively challenge the warped current wave of liberal feminism which oftentimes completely contradicts itself and props up the patriarchy in a number of concerning ways. Not least by claiming that these gender role stereotypes are real, innate qualities and not social constructs that harm us all.

To explain how the patriarchal values of our world harm men and women, I’ve made this handy table:

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The point is this:

Men are not the blueprint.

The current epidemic of male violence cannot be the standard we all strive for. Men are coerced into, are propping up and are being harmed by patriarchal values. They don’t have it right. We should not be trying to emulate that. We should not be striving to become equal with men in their patriarchal misery – we should be challenging and dismantling the patriarchy and its global values until we can revolt.

True change in the world will only come with revolution. Revolution is not possible if we perceive male privilege and male experience as the ‘goal’ women should be working towards in the world. We don’t want to be the ‘same as men’. Why would be want to replicate a broken system? Why would we work towards total misery and increased violence?

I don’t know about you, but my vision for women is not that we become more violent, more misogynistic, more miserable, less able to speak about our emotions, less able to seek help, more likely to bully each other for ‘feminine traits’ and so confused that we begin celebrating the same toxic masculinity that is harming us every day.

That’s not my feminism. That’s not my vision for us all.

Imagine for a second, if we did dismantle the patriarchal beliefs and cultures centuries of male power have created for us. A world where men can show their emotions without worrying that someone will call them the ultimate insult: a woman. A society where women are not objectified as sex toys to be used up and thrown away when they get older or imperfect. A world in which teenage boys are not having to visit therapists and doctors about their erectile dysfunction and addiction to porn. A society in which rape isn’t a constant threat to women and girls all over the world – and a joke told about men in prison. A life in which men can participate and enjoy parenthood in equality with the mothers of their children because they believe their role is just as important. A workplace where a pregnant woman isn’t managed out of her job because she is perceived as unreliable – but where a man whose wife is pregnant is promoted for becoming a ‘responsible family man’. A world where women can become the main breadwinners and not make men feel insecure about it. A community where men can stay at home with the kids admiring the tenacity of the mother of his kids who rakes in the cash in a job she loves.

A world where the patriarchy no longer controls women, kills female babies because they were unwanted, hacks off vulva and clitoris of women, revels in porn, excuses everything with rape myths, positions ‘woman’ as the ultimate insult to men, sells women’s bodies and denies women the right to healthcare and advice about their own reproductive systems.

True feminism is revolution. Feminism is the liberation of women from the values and systems of the patriarchy. Feminism is the movement to challenge and dismantle the patriarchy, raising new generations of humans that do not fall into the same tropes we have. Feminism is not about centring men in our discussions or our events – but feminism will inevitably support men to be healthier and happier.

I don’t want to be ‘equal to men’. I want to rip up the blueprint and smash up the patriarchy and start again with our new generations. I want us all to take a step back, breathe and realise that the patriarchy harms all of us, and claiming that feminism is about women working towards being ‘the same as men’ in society is us moving in the wrong direction. And yet, the patriarchy in power are scared of women becoming more networked and more influential – because they know it will dilute the power of the patriarch.

With all the harm done to men by the patriarchy, I find myself asking men – what are you clinging on to it for? What is it about feminism that scares you? What is it about femininity that makes you feel so insecure? What do you stand to lose if we one day break down the patriarchal powers in the world?

Once we can answer those questions honestly and with integrity, we can take the first steps to breaking down the patriarchy and the patriarchal values, myths and messages being communicated all over the world.

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Psychologist specialising in victim blaming and self blame following sexual violence. International independent specialist researcher and writer for www.victimfocus.org.uk - Founder of VictimFocus, The VictimFocus Charter and VictimFocus Academy. Founder and Chair of The Eaton Foundation, the first male mental health centre in the UK.
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At least most women in the past were real ladies and very old fashioned which made it very easy for a man to meet a woman back then with no trouble at all either. And today most women are just so very horrible altogether since a great deal of them have a very severe mental problem too. MGTOW is the much better option for many of us single men now thanks to Feminism.

I think perhaps William you are looking at the past through rose coloured glasses. Things were far from perfect. Abuse s took place under the cover of darkness. Young girls were thrown into homes if they misbehaved or gotten
pr egnant . Anyway single mothers were social outcasts treated with contempt where they had to give their babies up for sdoption.

There cannot be all way GENTLEMEN idea. So which part of humanity you try to convince that they aren’t. Most are. Others are 50|50. And of course there still exist animals, rapists etc.. You cannot change that, we cannot..

“are the men these days GENTLEMEN?”
the combination of the effects of the sexual revolution, masculinization of females and The Pill nullified and/or disincentivized gentlemanly morals and societal codes.
single parenthood NEEDED to be discouraged and disincentivised so that people wouldn’t DO it- unless you want to argue that one parent can do a better job than TWO parents!
and YES , I strongly believe that males should aspire to(and thus honored by society) to be gentlemen, just as females should in the same respect be ladies.
i’m sorry to inform you, Banana, that gender roles are a critical part of nature and a result of evolutionary biology . a major tenement of 3rd wave feminism which was NOT part of the early women’s rights movement is the batshit insane theory that women and men are biologically identical,thus equal in all job roles save pregnancy.

I went MGTOW Monk going on 33 years ago and haven’t touched/been with anyone sense, long before things are as they are today.

The article as anyone could guess feminist would, points to men to put blaming men for things like abuse a murder. No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion. I’d also like to point out how most of the abuses and rape statistics are reported against men where it comes from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Dtcvqcjc8

Also if women once had it so hard, were so oppressed abused and mistreated as feminism has convinced them they once were before feminism came about, then why were the men required to remain on the Titanic while the women life boated off to the rest of their futures? Why are men the chosen ones to die in wars, not women? And why would any woman in those male tyrannical days ever have chosen to be with a man? The answer is simple, no feminism implemented through Marxism, was never interested or about equality. Feminism has always been about destroying the nuclear family and it has reached it’s goal through convincing women that man were no good, women are oppressed, and children hinders their freedoms and careers. Feminism has convinced women the past was the opposite and to put their careers ahead of a happy family life, destroy men and take it all.

Today with the aid of #MeToo feminism and the misandry system in place, men are literally throwing it all down walking off leaving women relationships dating and marriage in mass droves at the rate where icon bridal shops have gone out of business and Vilentine’s Day is know to men as National MGTOW’s Day with all of it spread world wide. My sights are now set on moving to Russia where all but the word feminism itself is criminalized and for a very good reason so at least I can gain a little bit dignity as a man since Asia and Russia have become a western world thing for men to escape the misandry of feminism.

And speaking of Asia, it is China that kills female babies, something I would never approve of. For the record I never wanted boys, I have always wanted a little girl all my life I did, if I could have I afforded to I would have loved to have had a 100 of them. Yet I have none since hypergamy and feminism took relationships and marriage off the table and feminist choose to put their babies to death even at full term . And I wonder if the writer of this blog supports abortion.

“No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion.”

Animal mothers in nature do not have to abort their offspring where they have land to live on.

In law [written by males and transgenders] children must receive 24 hour care. If you forced this on female animals both they and their children would starve to death as the mother could not hunt or gather food.

When legislators of most western countries wrote laws demanding 24 hour care of children they neglected to provide adequate financial assistance for unwed mothers.

They demanded a service from mainly women taking 24 hours a day of a mothers time and didn’t pay them for providing that service. Essentially male and transgender run governments legislated that mothers would give 24 hours of their time to provide childcare and did not offer realistic pay for that time.
They must have known this would stop mothers working and keep women poor and begging from husbands for their food and thus easily exploited.

Governments run by men must have known that if you demand services from people and neglect to pay them then this is actually slavery which mainly women were subjected to by their own governments.
These laws prevented many women from leaving abusive or cheating partners and maintained the luxury hotel lifestyle women were providing free of charge to men.

The necessity to provide unpaid household domestic services for children coupled with unpaid and enforced 24 hour care of children kept motherhood in the hands of husbands to fund it.

The effect of all this on unmarried mothers was to force them to abort their babies often because providing all the unpaid services made it impossible for them to provide a decent life or even food and shelter for their children.

I suggest men like you work to ensure unmarried women are paid for government enforced use of their time so that they are able to feed and house their children instead of having to abort them.

I suggest you make men pay for the keep of those children in adequate housing with adequate food.
This should be your mission. Not blaming women for their own government inflicted poverty.

I suggest you prosecute men who have sex with women they do not intend to support financially if a child comes along.

You are gutless scum blaming women for their male and transgender government inflicted poverty.

“No mention of the fact that women in fact have murdered more human beings male and female than anyone in the history of mankind on the face of this earth through abortion”

Animal mothers in nature do not have to abort their offspring where they have land to live on.

In law [written by males and transgenders] children must receive 24 hour care. If you forced this on female animals both they and their children would starve to death as the mother could not hunt or gather food.

When legislators of most western countries wrote laws demanding 24 hour care of children they neglected to provide adequate financial assistance for unwed mothers.

They demanded a service from mainly women taking 24 hours a day of a mothers time and didn’t pay them for providing that service. Essentially male and transgender run governments legislated that mothers would give 24 hours of their time to provide childcare and did not offer realistic pay for that time.
They must have known this would stop mothers working and keep women poor and begging from husbands for their food and thus easily exploited.

Governments run by men must have known that if you demand services from people and neglect to pay them then this is actually slavery which mainly women were subjected to by their own governments.
These laws prevented many women from leaving abusive or cheating partners and maintained the luxury hotel lifestyle women were providing free of charge to men.

The necessity to provide unpaid household domestic services for children coupled with unpaid and enforced 24 hour care of children kept motherhood in the hands of husbands to fund it.

The effect of all this on unmarried mothers was to force them to abort their babies often because providing all the unpaid services made it impossible for them to provide a decent life or even food and shelter for their children.

I suggest men like you work to ensure unmarried women are paid for government enforced use of their time so that they are able to feed and house their children instead of having to abort them.

I suggest you make men pay for the keep of those children in adequate housing with adequate food.
This should be your mission. Not blaming women for their own government inflicted poverty.

I suggest you prosecute men who have sex with women they do not intend to support financially if a child comes along.

Why are women chosen to die in childbirth not men. Millions upon millions of women have died giving birth to sexist creeps. Men like you conveniently forget that.

I did history at school. in 1977. I don’t remember much about it to be honest but I remember being horrified to hear that 6 out of 7 female immigrants to NZ did not survive very long. I was also shocked to hear that in the NZ Maori tribal wars between 1800 and 1840 40000 women and children were killed cooked and eaten. The Maori population took a long time to recover because they had very few women left.
I think history has been written by men and most women have no idea of the massive atrocities to their gender that have taken place. Men want us to agree to marry them after all so better cover the dirty laundry.

“It was estimated that in 2015, roughly 303 000 women died during and following pregnancy and childbirth”
That would amount to about 3 million women dying every 10 years. There are no commemorations
or public holidays marking their deaths. There are no statues of brave mothers etc etc. All I hear from men is that “women are meant to suffer”. They don’t seem to give a shit. But they are furious that we don’t also die in battle.

One reason men don’t want us fighting [ usually against the law written by men] is that they want compliant helpless women who can be controlled.

I do not envy men their position fighting wars however they usually completely overlook the massive maternal death count. We see war in the media a lot, so its not surprising really.

there are a number of men in MGTOW who ARE toxic, NOT because of masculinity ,but because they’ve become misogynistic from early negative experiences-particularly abuse ,abandonment or neglect from unhappy single mothers. these are damaged men who need a shrink, just as most of the rabid extreme feminists do , from THEIR own bad experiences with their fathers at early ages.
sane men and sane women need to stop this bad and forth gender war before their entire society collapses.

Can you please tell me what is a mans space and what is a woman’s space.

What are these male spaces Corey. You mean the right to earn money so you can buy food and shelter.

The only other space if you can’t earn money is

1) that of a beggar
2) a slave wife working 7 days a week who begs her Husband for everything.or
3) dead from starvation.

The fruits of the earth are meant for male and female animals. Female Tigers do not have to beg food from the males or they would die. They are not told to stop hunting and wait for a few male crumbs. They are not told to serve male Tigers 7 days a week and the male Tigers will then feed them.

The right to earn money and live independently is not a male space.

The woman’s space you are referring to must be that of a household slave to an man because if she cant earn money she will die. That seems to be the only space available to people who cant earn money. That or death.

Hey! Sorry about this! I’ve been on flights to NZ for the last 27 hours and travelling for 48 hours. I need to go through about 18 comments and just approve them all from lots of people – give me a min

To C Welch. There are very few western men who are making women beg for scraps in a relationship. I presume you live in the west? If not then you may have some validity.

However, if we don’t want a relationship, we don’t owe you what we have. You’re just another person. Your life is not our responsibility unless we WANT that responsibility. And really, we shouldn’t have to look after an adult, anyway.

@George W. Bush Let’s analyze your comment.
First Sentence: “Agreed.” Cool.
Second and Third Sentence Sentence: “Feminism is not about equality. It is about total absolute power for women.” You made an argument. Nice.
Fourth Sentence: “The ideal male suicide rate for most feminists is 100 percent.” Another argument.

Warrants? Logic? Evidence?

Conclusion: You are displaying ignorance and bad debate skills with this comment.

Matriarchies survive only in isolation, like on remote south Pacific islands, deep in dense jungle. When a patriarchy shows up the matriarchy is done for.
So-called matriarchies have an old woman as the matriarch. She is backed up by strong young warriors who respect her wisdom and honor her as the mother of all.

I wonder your thoughts… Current blueprint: society values power and money, the rewards of typical male (biological) traits of competitiveness and aggression. Even within the patriarchy, alpha wins–and always will when money and power is at stake. New blueprint: society values kindness and empathy, traits arguably more common to women–also rooted in biology. Power, money: greed, vanity, pride. Kindness, empathy: love and charity. Doesn’t seem hard to argue on philosophical or religious grounds which should be the goal. In the developed world, I’d like to see society embrace biological differences, encourage and respect women who lead in realms based in kindness and empathy–even without the excess power and money. As currently with Scandinavia, I’d say much of the developed world is ready for this. I’d discourage, as you, seeking to make women like men, competing in games they, more often than not, lose–often unwittingly shunning their womanhood in the process. I’d say women inherently embody some of mankind’s best traits: develop them, honor them, don’t ignore them. Broad brush strokes here, talking in generalities, but these are some thoughts as I head into raising my own daughter.

ok, then comrade- since this society isn’t up to your ideals, perhaps you can go create your utopia elsewhere on some unpopulated island with some volunteers-then let us know a few generations later how that’s working out

I do get your point and I respect that, but as a question: Do you respect other women/men who are feminist? And feminists who do believe in equality? Because it doesn’t matter what proof there is, it’s the experience some of us have. But I wonder if you also respect people who are feminist who do want women to be equal as men.

A capable adult should support themselves when they split from a partner. If you think someone you used to live with owes you something, now that you’ve parted ways, you’re a leech. Assets can be divided. After that he owes you nothing.

Child maintenance is fair, you make them you pay for them. But you…you don’t need a man, do you? So promote equality.

Campaign for equal sentencing for the same crime. A woman is as intelligent as any man, so should be held equally accountable.
Unless you are actually saying you are less capable than men in this regard across the board. You wouldn’t suggest that, would you? I don’t. That’s sexist.

A capable adult should support themselves when they split from a partner.

Assets can be divided. After that he owes you nothing.

Have you heard of laws that demand the 24 hour care of children under 14 years of age in my country NZ and most western countries. You are not paid for the enforced 24 hour care laws.

So your children are young say 5 years old and you have at least another 10 years of meeting the government regulations of 24 hour childcare plus providing all domestic services.

It is not over by a long shot. the custodial partner is left with the massive cost in time and lost income.

The non custodial partner who is free and able to work is the leech if he/she refuses to compensate the
custodial partner for their daily provision of Domestic services and 24 hour care. See how much that will cost you from anyone else.

Most women earn enough just to pay the bills if they are lucky. Many women live under the breadline. Not their fault. They are deliberately paid less to make them easy fodder for men on the lookout for someone to do everything for them at no cost. A free domestic Slave.
There are activists out there and they are all fake. They are working for the elites
If you start your own campaign they will infiltrate your organisation and destroy your efforts. if you have a job and you rock the boat you will loose your job.

You know the score and are talking complete crap and whats more you know it. What a cynical creep you are.

Many women are paying for childcare so they can work in lowly paid jobs. Natural women are cut right out of good paying jobs by men and Transgender’s.

You talk about campaigning for this and that in an environment where Natural women are covertly tortured for

1. refusing to marry
2. refusing to have children etc
3. Not looking good enough for men
4. Anything else that upsets men.

How convenient for you to then lecture those women about why they don’t stand against it.

Also does the journalist here in question , wish to relinquish her rights to men and stay at home raise a family and fade into obscurity????? Suppose it’s personal choice.

Women in the past had to fight for their rights in order to have the same opportunities as men. Course we don’t mean we wish to acquire the same levels of depression, suicide rates or indeed match their capacity for violence but REMEMBER , women AREN’T exactly alien to these social problems/ issues either.

Poorly written. Just an enumeration of distorted rhetorical questions. “Would success mean, would success mean, would success mean, would success mean.” The monotony is killing me.

This seems to be your thesis, which I would respond to directly.

“The problem with saying that we are working towards women becoming equal to men is that it frames men and male cultures as being the optimum culture or the ideal goal that women should reach to become equal.”

No, you’re not striving for equality because you internally think that male is optimal. (Or do you?) You’re striving for “equality” because you’re envious of the benefits that man enjoys. But know this, you enjoy the benefits of a woman: those that man does not.

Presumption of child custody, no one assuming we are weird if we care about kids, lower sentences for the same crimes, being able to assault a guy and noone cares, doing sex acts on a drunk unconscious man and not being called a rapist, abusing a kid then being able to get child support off him for a kid he had no choice about, etc etc

Stephanie. I read an article quite a few years ago that this is actually a myth. The truth back then was that most men didn’t want custody of their children and usually didn’t apply for it. I don’t know what the situation is now.
They wanted to get on with their careers and money making prospects which are difficult if you have to provide 24 hour child care.
Apparently when both parents applied for custody the man had a much better chance of winning.

There were of course a group of men who didn’t get custody when they applied. Those men were very publicly angry and used the fact that most men did not wasn’t custody of their children as a way of claiming women were being preferred by the courts when it was the reverse.

Most men simply didn’t want custody of their kids in those days because it was financially very difficult.

So they left that to women, did whatever they liked and then put court orders in stopping their EX wives moving with the children. So after a marriage ended the wives would be used to provide virtually all childcare, not be able to work. If opportunity arose for a woman to remarry or get ahead financially which involved moving to a new area, non custodial parents [usually husbands] could then slap a court order on the ex to prevent the person from moving away. At the same time non custodial parents [usually men] could move to whatever part of the country they liked or overseas with no interference. They could desert their children if they felt like it.

lets see 24 X 7 = 168 hours per week. 168 X minimum wage of NZ 15 per hour is $2520 per week.
If the woman has qualifications where she can earn more than the minimum wage the cost to her increases with her earning potential.

Spock-excellent points!
I hold the view that there’s no such thing as “equality” nor is it possible-shy of making everyone equally dead-to ever achieve equality ,save re engineering the entire human race into a genderless androgynous beige/mixed race of clones, with no individual rights ,but as a collective “hive” .
two different people cannot be equal, any more than apples and oranges are.
we are all born unequal-physically and mentally, so I say to SJW folks- go ahead and be angry with reality or with “god” , sulk in your Marxist nihilism , or you can make the best of whatever your situation and be as kind as you can to others ,because we don’t have to live forever in this imperfect world anyway.

“I hold the view that there’s no such thing as “equality” nor is it possible-shy of making everyone equally dead-to ever achieve equality”

Female animals in the wild have equal access to the fruits of the earth. If they were not equal they would die out because they could not compete. They do not beg males for food. This is the natural world. Go take a look.
Female animals graze, gather fruits and hunt independently. They teach their male offspring how to hunt and survive.
Female animals do not turn their lives over to the males serving them 7 days a week for no pay like a slave.

“Feminism is the real excellent reason why so many men are still single today.”

Why would any woman want to marry except because of the male conspiracy of female poverty.

When rich men used to dump their wives they would often end up as bag ladies living on the streets.

Women work 7 days a week cooking cleaning but no legal right to be paid for this work. No day off no Christmas holiday. On family and holidays are cooking cleaning 7 days. They must ask their husband for money when they give him a hotel life style 7 days per week. I am being covertly tortured if I speak online. I am being threatened to shut up. I am have been threatened with imprisonment in a mental institution is I speak or take legal action.

There is so much more to tell but the internet is not free and women will be electronically tortured if they dare tell.
Are the press cueing up to tell my story. NO

My name is Cheryl Welch I live in Hamilton NZ, The men and transgender are electronically torturing me to death because I don’t believe in my own slavery. When I’m not being tortured I have one of the most beautiful singing voices in the country but they wont let me sing. Only opportunities for men. Why should we like them. They are cruel selfish people who only abuse, torture and enslave women.

To me Feminism means I am against domestic slavery of women.

“Traditional man” is a polite term for a man who believes a woman should provide him with a hotel lifestyle for no pay.

She gets her food clothes etc like the black slaves in America got. You have to feed your slave so they can continue to serve you. Keeping women poor means you cannot leave. Equal rights were invented for XY Transgender women, not regular XX women.

Parliaments only have transgender women. TV and much of the internet we see only Transgender women.
There is a total media blackout on real women. We have no representation, no voice.

Please remember that I will be tortured severely or killed for writing this. I am a real woman. The writer is not.

The true definition of feminism is seeking for power in every single shit in women, women just want men to disappear even though without our sperm you’re all nothing just piece of shit
I am fucking sick of feminine talking about FEMALES RIGHTS the fuck?
why there is no Men RIGHTS ? we work our asses of 8 h a day to secure food for you and you’re fucking children
ASSHOLES this what you are

And low life pathetic losers like you, really are for so many of us men still single today because of your attitude problem. And are you Bi Polar by any chance? Because there are many of these very mentally disturbed type of women everywhere now that i have noticed unfortunately.

“Cory westing
£1000 says you have received more gender specific benefits and subsidies.”

Gender specific benefits. A partner who works 7 days per week up to 16 hours for you for no pay [if you let them have 8hrs off to sleep] . A person who when the children are young [under 14 years in NZ] and the government requires 24 hour care for them, provides this service to you for you at not cost except her food. A person who has no legal entitlement to time or days off or holidays from providing cooking cleaning all household services.

GENDER specific benefit – A slave with no rights who gets their food only because if you didn’t feed them
they would not be able to work 24/7 for you.

Guess what, you get their whole life, a hotel lifestyle you couldn’t afford, and to tell them to do whatever you like. Just like I dream of Genie.

Lets total up the real costs and see who are getting the most gender specific benefits.

i am not a complete fool.
i make these comments knowing that regular (XX) women will probably never see them or be allowed to read them.

To “females hater”

Firstly I notice that my being covertly tortured has not even registered with you.
That shows what you are and that it is women who are under threat of death not men.

We don’t want men to disappear from the earth but don’t want to be kept in the slave labor camp of
marriage which is all about a free hotel lifestyle for men.

We want our own or shared property and financial opportunities like men have.

WHAT MEN GET FROM WIVES

Having someone to cook and clean laundry etc etc etc [not something that female animals provide]
for you 7 days a week for no pay.

Having someone To provide 24 hour care of children for no pay, as required by law written by males
[female animals come and go as they wish] .

Having the discretion to give that unpaid person money they request or NOT.

Having the discretion to feed the unpaid woman OR NOT. Many married women currently survive on benefits as
their husbands don’t feed them. Those women can then be imprisoned for benefit fraud.

Having the discretion to keep any extra money for himself rather than pay or share money with [your partner?]. .

Female animals have a right to the food of the earth. They don’t have to beg males for it and become slaves to the males to get food.

Animal police do not arrive at the door of female animals if they leave the young unattended. The
police prosecution of women for leaving children unattended means of course that the male heir-
achy demand 24/7 care of children far above the call of natural motherhood. You want super mommy
slaves. If you enforce those very high standards you need to either share income equally or pay a
woman for all the hours you are demanding so they can afford to hire people to give them some time
off like all male workers get.

Your husband has stolen your life and is using it to give himself the life of a king with
servants that he could not afford to pay for.

The difference is that the King Pays his servants your husband does not pay you.

Its when the men earn extra that they keep it all for them selves. Its forcing a woman to do all
the domestic work.
How much would it cost and how many hours would it take to do the work for a household. None of it
is nature. I don’t see any female tigers cooking vacuuming cleaning washing shopping etc etc. Its
all about having a free hotel lifestyle. A life of pure luxury off his wife’s back and giving her nothing except what he wants to give.

So after her working 7 days for you she has to ask your permission to buy something for herself.
That is ludicrous. If you tried to get men working under those conditions they would call it slavery. There would be war.

Men tell me life is not fair so get over it but when men are treated unfairly they are angry and
they fight.

They wonder why their wife no longer loves them. They believe she should not be angry regarding
her financial imprisonment.

Unfairness and fighting go together. You treat your wife unfairly you will have a marriage full of fighting and anger. That is the way men and women are.

I have been told by men to get over it and that thats the way it is here that life is not fair etc etc.

Smile giggle and cojule while they steel your life for their enrichment. The thing is guys, women have never actually liked it. Men have always had to trick or force women into the slave role, wfe, then limit women’s access to money and opportunities to keep women there. Women never actually liked it. So don’t be surprised if after a while your woman doesn’t like it or you and your marriage bed gets very cold indeed.

The two things in marriage that cause +90% of the fighting are money and who does all the domestic work.
So its clear that men not paying women and wives not having any legal right to do what they wish to do with their own time and lives causes a lot of fighting in marriage.
Its clear by this fighting that women do not agree with their own forced unpaid labour.

When your wife says its not fair, whether sho knows it or not she is a feminist and believes in her own rights. Most husbands believe those women should have no legal entitlements of money for their labor or to time off.

By not offering women basic rights the men gain a lifestyle of freedom and luxury.

In times before there were some women’s rights, often the men would not even feed their slave wives. The slave would have to work very hard at home and in the workforce to try to feed herself and children plus keep house. This type of female role is what I call the SELF FINANCING SLAVE.

African slaves in the US were fed clothed and most often had separate housing. So they had some
independence. They wern’t expected to provide sexual services for their masters although some of
the enslaved women were raped and bore children. This of course didn’t happen to male slaves.

African slaves legally had 1 day off per week. Wife slaves have no such luxury of legal time off.
I don’t know if African slaves had legal protection demanding food housing and clothing be
provided but you can imagine that it was in the best interest of the slave owner to provide those
things.

I ask you was it OK to be a white slave owner if you didn’t beat the slaves.

I hear many men moaning that they are a good husband [slave owner] and they don’t beat their wives
so women should want to marry [enslave herself] them.
Of course now the beatings have been replaced by covert electronic torture. Men can hold their
heads high and claim to be non violent.

I dont think men want to be violent. They want the women to be enslaved without a fight.

Clean clothing, cooked meals, orderly houses and 24 hour care of children are particular to human
beings. They require a lot of work and that work should either be payed for, shared equally [a
Roster], or the man should be legally obliged to share his wage and assets equally with his wife for doing
that work which gives him and his children a lifestyle that no other animal enjoys.

That is a lifestyle of luxury that a woman could only dream of. To get that she would have to be
very wealthy. How much would that cost you from anyone else but your wife (slave)

Marriage is also sexual slavery. A marriage can break up if a wife does not want to have sex with
her husband.
So she is now impoverished or on the streets because her husband now has all assets in his name.
He didn’t pay her for the hotel lifestyle so she has nothing and her only viable option is to
remarry.

It means nothing that she works 7 days per week for him unless he is happy with her sexually and
in their relationship he can cast her into horrible poverty.

Lack of financial opportunities for females means the only way they can survive is to go back to
the slavery of marriage. She must please her slave owner or she will go hungry.

The men of the earth are now trying to free up land for the animals. The female animals will have
land at their disposal and will not have to beg the males for food and work 7 days per week for
the males to get it. They will have access to the land and its fruits which is their birth-rite.

Human beings have bodies and minds that are purpose built with the ability do develop the earth
and do a myriad of things.
The human female is equally capable except for the fact that the males can bash her if she
refuses him. Men have now developed technology where this can be done in secret and they are using
it on dissenting females and other women they regard as not being sexually attractive.

So they now demand that women look perfect and fight for their positions as robotic slaves to meet
all their needs. They now demand that while cooking everyday women do not put on weight so the men
can enjoy having sex with the robot. This also means the robot mommy slave is cheap to run.

So we have the human female used by men as a robot mommy slave. Being ordered by her husband to
proved his hotel lifestyle in return for her keep. They would prefer it if they didn’t have to put
petrol [food] in the robot and they could send her out to work while she should be sleeping and this does
actually happen. Then ofcourse she would be a SELF FINANCING SLAVE.

To force or trick a woman into domestic and sexual slavery is a disgusting indignity toward one of
the 2 highest creatures on this earth and men have used domestic violence, threats of starvation
etc to enforce it. Now they are using covert torture as well.

Several years ago I was shocked when I read a comment by what I believed to be a female representative in the NZ parliament.

“If you give a woman money shes off.” She(XX,XY?) was referring to women who leave marriages if they have financial opportunities or are paid. It becomes very clear that our so called representatives are deliberately limiting womens access to jobs (especiall job’s that pay well) and money to force us into domestic slavery to men.
I know realize that all of the females in parliament are actually transgenders and do not give a toss about natural XX women. They look similar to us but do not represent us.

To give an example of the real intentions of men toward women in marriage I quote serveral old western sayings.

A WOMANS WORK IS NEVER DONE.

[No legal time off]

WHY BUY THE COW IF YOU CAN GET THE MILK FOR FREE.

[the self financing slave who provides her own food etc but also does all domestic work]

BAREFOOT PREGNANT AND IN THE KITCHEN

[As a female human she must provide 24 hour care for children + domestic services for that child and
has no entitlement to the fruits of the earth like other female animals, she can then be forced
into domestic labor cooking and cleaning for no pay just to get food and shelter like the black slaves got in
America.

You can simplify what you’re saying, also marriage is a choice, not a forced decision (well used to/middle ages)
I mean it is a choice to have sex and get pregnant, most of what you are saying is very well on the biased side of the argument without taking into count how there are many men who are cooks and do all of this. You are saying you should get paid for just simply doing a job at home? I completely understand what you are getting at, but this isn’t always true and you are mostly talking about sexual slavery? I mean seriously, do you think all of us men are like that? People have sexual desires however it shouldn’t be put in as all men are abusive and demanding? Not all of us are like that. Just because you think what you say is true, without pointing out other opinions, facts, etcetera. I don’t know what the hell does this mean as stated, “Men have now developed technology where this can be done in secret and they are using it on dissenting females and other women they regard as not being sexually attractive.”. I do not know any of what you are referencing to, and also how, “A WOMAN’S WORK IS NEVER DONE” I mean no one’s work is ever done, sometimes a man’s work is never done as well. Also, this is very rude and not at all a valid argument to use, also blatantly framing us for using your gender as a “robot mommy slave”? None of your references are valid, and most of the things you stated out, are only after a choice, and why would a woman even date a man who acts like that? Not all people are bad and you should know it. Some women are smart and give good debates and etc, however, you are just a person without common sense or knowledge and simply made things up in your mind to use a “valid argument”.
BTW, “So they now demand that women look perfect and fight for their positions as robotic slaves to meet
all their needs. They now demand that while cooking everyday women do not put on weight so the men
can enjoy having sex with the robot. This also means the robot mommy slave is cheap to run.” I enjoy cooking very well and like to do it by myself, I also clean the house myself. I am not what you describe who I am you inhumane person who frames some (not all) people for this and that.

I am being covertly tortured and gang stalked. I am being given the option to either marry or continue to be tortured in the extreme. Its not much of a choice. On radio I have heard presenters telling women they must date and marry. Jobs for XX women are disappearing and we are seeing a work force of Men and transgenders. Stop talking a load of bull. Trump has made it clear that natural women will not have opportunities in the new order. A guy recently asked me out and said to me that a womans place was with children. I had no interest him after that. I was yelled at by the male torturer of the House across the Street. He said that I was not behaving like a woman. [I was mowing my tiny lawn] Usually when I try to do this I am hit so hard that I end up bedridden for a couple of days.

there’s not a western democratic industrialized nation where women don’t possess at least AS MANY rights as men.
women have had the pill long before you were even BORN! arranged marriages and polygamy OUTLAWED while GENDER (and racial) hiring/promotion quotas-which violate MEN’S rights-have been widespread in these same countries for at least 2 generations. you might as well be claiming African males are still being held as slaves here! Nobody is forcing you to marry bad men or bear their children. That’s an OPTION just as it’s my option to shelter abandoned pets at my own expense.

I find women have more rights than us or every one is just a sexist and don’t treat men as good sometimes so like the raise of lies about sexual assault but I will be honest women need to be treated better like men assaulting women because men think they can control them that’s got to stop

This is an incredibly foolish article. Unfortunately, “the patriarchy” formed the world as we know it. It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization. Men have pioneered nearly all the great innovations. If women didn’t do these things, it was either because they were not educated, or more likely, not interested. If they weren’t educated, it’s their own fault. Women don’t have what it takes to wield extreme power or knowledge. It is rather common knowledge that women are very emotional. Therefore, women are more likely to make a decision based on emotions, while men are more likely to use logic. Which leads me to question, who’s idea was it to let women vote? Or be voted into positions of power? Women have two very special things about them that make them far more valuable than men. They can produce new human life, and they are beautiful. Unfortunately, the feminist movement undermines these two advantages. Take away those to things, and women don’t have anything. Men are stronger, faster, more competitive, and have better critical thinking skills. Men have created a world where women screw up life for everyone by letting women in power make irrational decisions. Because women are so valuable for the continuation of the human race, they should be protected. The problem is, they believe (and are encouraged by men who believe) that they are special for other things. Men are better at everything else. The feminist movement is created a generation of degenerate males and useless females. I pity my generation, who will have to destroy society and rebuild it from scratch to fix the problems that we have let unfit people create.

As a side note, saying that men have oppressed women on a grand scale is the most sexist thing you can say, as it implies that women are weak and cannot take control; men have to give it to them. I mean, that’s true, but you should not use that argument as a case for feminism.

My grandmother in the beginning of the 19th century milked cows [biked or
walked?] 7 miles a day each way to school but she still managed to top her
whole region for her school “Matriculation” exams. Yes she beat all the
boys. In those days she was not allowed to go to university and ended up
as a domestic slave to her husband till he got another woman pregnant and
she left her husbands farm.
My father used to tell me that boys were smarter than girls yet it was his
mother not him who topped the region in Exams.

“It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great
kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization.”

Women worked 7 days a week for men for no pay. They were slaves given no
money for their work.
How many inventions did the black slaves create. Please quote me some
examples of while being imprisoned as slaves, black men managed to invent
things and do all their own housework etc.

In many countries women are not even allowed an education. They are
prevented by violent methods.

Men have achieved a great deal having female slaves to do all the cooking
cleaning etc and they have used oppression. I.e Deliberate keeping women
without money, forcing them into marriage etc and even violence to stop
them achieving at school. Then simply giving all opportunities to other
men.

Even here in NZ we have bought back external exam’s to gain the “NZCA”
qualification. When I was young the certificates were called “School
certificate” and “University entrance” etc. Strange that students never got
their papers sent back to them so they could compare their results and be
sure of fair marking. Boys always did better when we had these external
examinations then when the system changed to internal assessments

[including local school exams where everyone got their papers back] girls started to do
better.

in the years when e I was at school the external exam results were often graded up or down,
if afterthe exam was sat if it was the paper was more of less difficult than usual. But students
never saw the papers again after sitting. You could request a recount. I’m not sure if they

In standard 4 I was told I got the second highest mark in the school for a

reading and comprehension test. The next year I was dumped into the class

for the students who were not very bright. I was not a swat though and my

attendance was poor.

I was bullied right through the 1st form at intermediate school, then went

to college and the bullying continued in the 3rd and 4th form at school. In

the 5th form this ended where all the classes were no longer streamed the

bullying ended. But then I suddenly came down with a mystery illness which

kept me away from school a lot. While desperate because terrible exhaustion

and muscle pain, the doctors said they couldn’t find a cause for my

condition so they decided I must have a mental problem.

I always knew their was nothing wrong with my mind.

This condition then called ME [now chronic fatigue syndrome] in NZ is

called Radio Frequency sickness in Russia.

In the west we have had radio broadcasts from the early 1900’s.

Since that illness began I have barely felt well enough to even read a

book.

While trying to catch up at the last minute before the exams relative’s

[uncle & school teacher wife] turned up and I had to spend ages cleaning

because my mother never cleaned floor etc. So this took 2 weeks of my time

just before exams leaving little time to catch up. I did my revising in bed

because I was so ill. During the exams I felt incredibly ill and felt like

my head was swimming.

I still passed but not nearly as well as I would have under normal

circumstances.

My younger sister was top of her school for some subjects. At that point a

campaign of bullying started against her.
When when exams loomed she was confined to her bed with a mystery illness

and had to leave school.

We used to have what were called special classes at school in those days

for students who were were mentally disabled. Thinking back those students

were probably the most physically unattractive looking children in the

school.

One day in college i saw a handsome boy who I had admired taunting a boy

from one of those classes. I immediately told him to leave that boy alone.

After seeing what the good looking boy was doing I no longer felt any

admiration for him just anger and disgust.

A couple of years later that boy committed suicide or so we were told.
I hope he is in a better place than this. To me those who made him so

My grandmother in the beginning of the 19th century milked cows [biked or walked?] 7 miles a day each way to school but she still managed to top her whole region for her school “Matriculation” exams. Yes she beat all the boys. In those days she was not allowed to go to university and ended up as a domestic slave to her husband till he got another woman pregnant and she left her husbands farm.
My father used to tell me that boys were smarter than girls yet it was his mother not him who topped the region in Exams.

“It was men who invented cars, discovered electricity, build the great kingdoms that have left their mark on civilization.”

Women worked 7 days a week for men for no pay. They were slaves given no money for their work.

How many inventions did the black slaves create. Please quote me some examples of while being imprisoned as slaves and working 6 days pre week black men managed to invent things and do all their own housework etc.

In many countries women are not even allowed an education. They are prevented by violent methods.
Men have achieved a great deal having female slaves to do all the cooking cleaning etc and they have used oppression. I.e. Deliberately keeping women without money, forcing them into marriage etc and even violence to stop them achieving at school. Then simply giving all opportunities to other
men.

Here in NZ we have bought back external exam’s to gain the “NZCA” qualification. When I was young the certificates were called “School certificate” and “University entrance” etc. Strange that students never got their papers sent back to them so they could compare their results and be
sure of fair marking. Boys always got the top results when we had these external examinations.

Then when the system changed to internal assessments including local school exams where everyone got their papers back] girls started to do better.

When I was at school and sat the external exams, they had an obscure system where the exam results would be graded up or down supposedly based on a later decision [after the exam had been sat] that the exam was more or less difficult. I didn’t see this happening in any internal exams.

But students never saw their papers again . You could request a recount for a hefty fee but I don’t remember if they would then return your paper.
It was 1976 and i think the cost of a recount for 1 subject was about $30 so for 5 subjects the cost was approx. $150. I earned about $30 per week at the local supermarket restocking shelves in the school holidays. You can see they didn’t want to make it easy for students to compare results or look over each others examination marking.

There was a lot of male anger when the system went to an internally assessed system as the boys had always done better than the girls using that system but not in internal assessment where students could scrutinize and compare results.

In standard 4 [at primary school] I was told I got the second highest mark in the school for a reading and comprehension test. The next year I was dumped into the class for the students who did not do as well as other students.

I was bullied right through the 1st form at intermediate school, then went to college and the bullying continued in the 3rd and 4th form at school. In the 5th form this ended where all the classes were no longer streamed .the bullying ended. Next I came down with a mystery illness which kept me away from school a lot. While desperate because terrible exhaustion

and muscle pain, the doctors said they couldn’t find a cause for my condition so they decided I must have a mental problem.
I always knew their was nothing wrong with my mind.

This condition then called ME [now chronic fatigue syndrome] in NZ is called Radio Frequency sickness in Russia.

In the west we have had radio broadcasts from the early 1900’s. Since that illness began I have barely felt well enough to even read more than a couple of books as reading exhausts me

While trying to catch up at the last minute before my University entrance exams the relative’s [uncle & school teacher wife] turned up [they almost never came to visit us] and I had to spend ages cleaning because my mother never cleaned floor etc. So this took 2 weeks of my time just before exams leaving little time to catch up. They stayed a week and were planning to stay longer until I asked my father to get them to leave so i could concentrate on studying for my exams which were coming up in about a weeks time I did my revising in bed because I was so ill. During the exams I felt incredibly ill, like my head was swimming.

I still passed but not nearly as well as I would have under normal circumstances.

My younger sister was top of her school for some subjects. At that point a campaign of bullying started against her.
When exams loomed she was confined to her bed with a mystery illness and had to leave school.

We used to have what were called special classes at school in those days for students who were were mentally disabled. Thinking back those students were probably the most physically unattractive looking children in the school.

One day in college i saw a handsome boy who I had admired taunting a boy from one of those classes. I immediately told him to leave that boy alone. After seeing what the good looking boy was doing I no longer felt any admiration for him just anger and disgust.

Several years later that handicapped boy committed suicide or so we were told. I hope he is in a better place than this. To me those who made him so unhappy are ugly. Their deeds are ugly indeed.

This is so badly written it’s not even worth trying to respond. You really do need to read a book – especially one on critical thinking, and perhaps something about essay writing. It might make your points more rational and connected.

Toni you are a horrible person and understand very well that I am a victim of electronic torture. You know this affects a persons abilities of all types. I find it very hard to even look after myself because of life long torture by greedy nasty creeps. I have been stupified by the Radio Frequency network and I know the article is pretty bad however at least Im not viscous. How many natural women have been tortured covertly killed to make way for a large population of Transgenders on the earth. Please excuse me if I seem insensitive to them.
Please excuse me if slavers torturers and murderers repulse me.

Is your argument that women did not invent enought at time they could not study at universities?Really?

Well, prime example of critical and logical thinking, is it not? Actually, it was proven that measured intelligence depends on social circumstances and in countries, where women were given same educational opportunities as men, they scored in tests equally. Look at Germany, after WW2, there surely were not that many men around (maybe cause they are so logical and better at everything) so women played a great role in getting that country back on its feet.

So no, men are NOT better. They are DIFFERENT. No one say we need to be the same and both genders are necessary for humanity to continue, so why the need to argue who is better?

The minute you start saying this men will grab this to limit women opportunities and take all for them selves. Yes we are different but that shouldn’t allow men to use us for free domestic labour or refuse to allow us into areas such as media etc. Seems all the women in our parliaments and the media are actually transgenders so genetically natural XX women have no real representation. The only group on earth to have no one representing them. We can therefore be forced into whatever roles, those who control governments [Men & Transgenders] want.
I do not believe transgenders in parliament represent me. I have no representation. It would appear the great female success stories are all Transgenders. There has never been any real equality only a group of privileged transgenders who in the past masqueraded as genuine women.

Can you be more ignorant than this?! Women were not educated because they didn’t have access to education in the first place(thanks to men who thought just like you that women are not worthy of it and that they are emotional creatures made to be pretty,breed and care for the man-be men’s slaves). So they were simply forbidden from getting any education as families sent only the boys to school. Those few women who did get education fucking DID achieve things.Educate yourself and see that there were so many women who contribute to the great inventions of this world. See who pioneered the computer from where you spew your ignorant theories(it was WOMEN!). Also worth mentioning that a lot of women were stolen of their ideas& inventions by their male colleagues who took the credit of their work in the past. Women were not( this continues today) groomed the same men were and weren’t allowed education because men wanted to have the power and credit as masters of the world. You are demanding the same results as men(free) from women( who were caged) and still fail to see how insane you are!!! Just stay away from us. I wish MGTOW would truly mean men who leave us alone: don’t interact with us,don’t touch us,don’t talk to us. But sadly it doesn’t mean that: it means spewing hate against women and bitching that more and more women refuse to stay in the cage you designed for them.

Also, there is a conception that women at large want “gentlemen”. Just like men want the most beautiful and most healthy (therefore most able to have healthy offspring; it is not well known that natural beauty and strength go together for the most part), women want the toughest strongest fittest and smartest men (who will make the most healthy offspring). It’s in humans DNA to ensure survival. This means that in a primitive society, the men and women keep getting stronger and fitter as time goes on. Seems good, right? And this is why we have a problem.

Well unfortunately there are so many very horrible low life loser women everywhere nowadays that really think their very much all that because of feminism, and i have met these type of very pathetic women already unfortunately as well. And the ones that have their so called careers today making their six figure salary, who the hell cares what you women really make anyway which i could care less. It is these type of women that have really destroyed the dating scene altogether now for many of us men too since they’re very much too blame to begin with as it is. These type of women just have no respect for us men anymore, and they have the nerve too blame us men for their problems too. And there are many of us very good innocent men out there that Don’t play head games at all like most of you single women are doing these days since many of us are really looking for a serious relationship now. And unfortunately no matter how very nice many of us men are, which it still isn’t good enough for you women at all either. At least most women in the past thank God weren’t at all like today since they were very much different than you very awful women now. It is very obvious why so many of us men are still single today, especially with these kind of very troubled women around now more than ever. Get a life already since the great majority of you women will just end up growing very old all alone with your pet cats sitting in your rocking chairs anyway when your time comes.

I don’t want a “life” as the maid and breeder of a man. Oh….and you buddy are going to end up alone with your pets as well plus very bitter and angry that those pesky women won’t stay in the cage your predecessors designed for them. Such a nice innocent man who only wants a woman to make him babies,clean,cook,overlook his porn addiction and the mistresses(or prostitutes) he has on the side…..AHAHAHA spare us! Shit not working anymore dude. Truth is that you’re no longer wanted or needed and that is thanks to feminism. We can get jobs that will support us so as long as all you have to offer is the stick…better stick it in your own ass.

I was raised to clean my house, make my food, my bed, and my own money like most 20 year old guys. I never looked for a mommy replacement. Times have changed, and most of us DONT NEED YOU. And more and more don’t want you, either.

You are living in the past. If those are the men you’ve known, take responsibility for your poor choices, and pick better next time. I don’t want a servant, and neither do most guys I know. I can’t speak for older people. If you’re angry about what happened 50 years ago take it up with 70+ guys.

Oh let me see. I lived with a male once. He Tortured me with his cell phone. A few years ago a woman told me that a lot of men were now doing house work because they were widows. How creepy is that.
Oh I wonder why women do not want to marry you??

Women that earn 6 figure salaries will be Transgenders not regular XX women. The female politicians, the media women etc all earn big bucks but they are not XX women. They are genetically male.
I would choose a 6 figure salary over a man any day. I’d be able to afford to pay someone a good wage for doing my house work. Oh what a disgusting woman I am. At least I’d be willing to pay good money for it unlike most men who want it for free or dirt cheap.

I like non sexist men. Once I find out a man believes in or benefits from sexism [free housekeeping services and all money kept for himself] my admiration for him is gone and therefore any attraction I might otherwise feel is also gone. I cannot help but dislike a person who steels another persons life. Works them 7 days per week without holidays etc, refuses to share financial benefits with their partner??, refuses to pay them and assumes daily control of their life. Share equally or pay for the services provided to you and you will have my respect.

” Same goes for the men. Let’s see why would I be afraid of a radical feminist in power”

OK I am a radical feminist. This is one thing I would do to you if i were in power.

Firstly I would revolutionize household services. Healthy meals made at cost and delivered to your door or provided in community meal centers where you could also get some good company. No MacDonald’s and all food can be overseen by the community. Laundry services at cost. Again the systems would have to be ultra modern and economical. I have a lot of systems and inventions dreamed up and I’m sure other people also have ideas.

For couples they could get the bulk of housework done at very very cheap affordable rates.

So the remainder of housework can be shared by couples easily. Both men and women could then have a life with no need to oppress anyone to get what each person wants.

Men could stay single, have a demanding career and still get a hotel lifestyle cheap and so could women.

I would ensure no group got the upper hand over another group financially or in other areas [ Males, Females Blacks, Whites, Asian etc etc] There may be areas that some groups would dominate simply because of their choices and participation numbers but i would keep an eye on it and there would be systems for sorting it and keeping a balance.

So how scary are radical feminists. I am one. I radical feminist would look after everyone equally. Feminism is about fairness which women do not get in our world so why would we want unfairness as that only causes fighting.

That’s is one reason marriage has been a battle ground for a long time.

some of these comments scare me. i honestly wonder if some people have even read the post before commenting on here because most of the comments are just further proving her point that women should not strive to be the same as men. some of the things being commented of here are disgusting, why would we ever want to be anything like that?
but thank you for this article, it is inspiring and truly needed in today’s society. it sends a brilliant message and i am very grateful for reading it.

In your dream women should strive to be financially imprisoned and therefore domestically enslaved to men. Lets be honest Traditional gender roles are Master slave roles. That is incredibly scary to women once the propaganda wears off. It is hideous. I believe life is short to break up power structures and situations that would be intolerable if they continued longer than they actually do. The example I’m thinking of is marriage. You wouldn’t want to be a wife for longer than 1 short lifetime. In fact you wouldn’t want to be a wife at all. i don’t know what happens to us after our physical body comes to an end but assholes like men and their Transgender lackeys will have no power over women or anyone else at that point. Hopefully you will have to pay all your unpaid debts to people you neglected to pay here on earth. i.e. your wife [slave].

“My son pulls his weight, so does his girlfriend. They are PARTNERS not indentured servants to each other. You sound like you were growing up in a different time.”

Why did a man who asked me out say to me ” A woman’s place is with children.” Why was I told that a requirement of joining the local “New World Order”[for want of an actual name] was to do all the domestic work for your husband. Why did the torturer across the street tell me I was behaving like a man when i was mowing my lawn. Why are all the XX women disappearing from the retail sector. All i see is males and Transgenders in those jobs now.

If things are so good for women why am I being Electronically tortured.

Why Stephanie did one of the transgenders on parliament say ” If you give a woman money she’s off”
Looks like those in parliament are trying to deliberately impoverish women to keep them in marriages.

Why are men telling me over and over that “that’s the way it is here and that I should get over it”. I do believe that the new transgender women [genetically male] are getting a lot more equality but not the rest of us.

When everyone can have a job with a living wage and when there are laws that protect [adequately financially compensate] women and men who give up careers to provide domestic services for others then I will agree with you but that is not the case.

DR-get yourself a tinfoil hat , a shrink ,then a 40 year supply of cat food!
you obviously suffer paranoid delusions about the other half of the human population and present yourself a classic example of a man hating rabid Marxist/ feminist who would have fit in with the Soviet Union’s gulag system.

Given the scores of women discovered abusing little boys, it’s pretty clear that a lot of women do cause harm, when they gain power over someone male who can’t fight back because he’s too young.

You can be as bad as some men, if you get the chance. So yes, you will exploit men when you gain power over them. There are always some abusers, and when you get more power, more abuse will be committed by some of you.

You are not better than men. Or worse. Human nature will always throw up some degenerates, of whatever stripe.

And because of your victim mentality, you will minimise your crimes through what-about-ery, and just say “well look at all those times men did blah blah”.

Guys: women want all the power. Give it to them, whilst remembering Camille paglias most famous quote. The best way to cure feminism, is to let them have what they want. And then walk away and create our own masculine based communities away from them, and importantly, share nothing. Except with your brothers.
Ladies: this article has masses of projection, a pinch of overgeneralisation, and total condescension(which I now gladly return). I will not tell feminists or women generally how to do things, stop forcing nonsense on us. And be assured, you understand nothing about men, and have no right to tell us how to be men. Any more than I can tell you how you should be as a woman. Any guy who does that is an asshat, don’t give them the time of day. And if you keep doing it, expect decent men to keep walking away, taking all their resources with them.

It is a different thing to ask you not to infringe on us.
You can do what you wish in your own life. Just leave men alone. You clearly want us to do the same for you.

My life is no business of yours unless I allow you to be a part of it. Me asking you not to infringe on me is not infringing on you. In fact this seems to be what YOU want. If I harm you, then feel free to come after me.

But your life is YOUR problem not mine. You are an adult. Create your own resources stop taking mens. And stop forcing your way into male spaces. We’re not spending our time plotting to oppress you amongst ourselves. Hate to break it to you, but men have better things to do. Sad people like incels are a minority

“And if you keep doing it, expect decent men to keep walking away, taking all their resources with them”

That is how men control women. They now have almost complete control of the earths resources.

In the wild females do not have to beg the males for resources. They forage freely [ No Land Ownership ] and carnivorous females compete for game.

The resources of the earth are actually meant for both male and female genders and the young.

Men can now block female access to those resources and use that as a method to demand anything at all from the female of our species. That is not how god [whatever created us] created it.

Men talk about women who use the social welfare system that many women rely on just for food etc like its benefactors [largely women] are bludgers. At the same time Male governments try to enforce 24 hour child care but refuse to pay women for their time, making work and living outside marital slavery near impossible for many mothers.

Women have nothing approaching equality.

Male governments want to free up land for the animals. Both male and female animals will have access to that land.

Why cant they give land to human females?

Because men treat human females worse than they treat animals.

Men gain a lifestyle of luxury by having human females [the most capable females on earth] as domestic slaves.

No other creature on earth is capable of supplying them with their Hotel life style of luxury.

And how have men attained control of the world assets. Enslaving the female of the species has given them a massive advantage.

So how much money do they owe us for unpaid work? I think you will find that is they paid us for our labor women not men would control the worlds assets. So they have assumed their status of controllers of the worlds resources based on female slavery.

Feminist women: Women are strong and empowered and don’t need no man.
Men: Okay. You’re on your own.
Feminist women: Women want men to just leave them alone!
Men: Okay. We’re going our own way then.
Also feminist women: Wait. Where are you going? Man up and approach us and bring back the resources we’re entitled to!

Wow. I clearly live on a different planet to you. If this has been your experience of the world then I truly feel sorry for you. The world I live in is not perfect but the inequality you speak of does not exist in the proportions you are stating.

As a species, each sex is capable of being just as controlling or as submissive as the other. Female slavery? Seriously. Complete inequality? Seriously? You need to get some perspective.

There have been huge steps towards equality made over the last few decades in many areas, not just the male/female imbalance (which I fully agree did used to exist). I just feel you have been asleep through all of this progress. The world you are describing sounds like a re-run of a 1960s tv show.

For thousands of years you have taken women’s entire adult lives as slaves to you and you have not paid them or shared with them so that they can in any way be independent. Now you tell other men to share nothing with the women who have nothing because you didn’t pay them for 7 day a week labour you forced on them. So of course you now have everything and we have nothing. You suggest leaving the women who have nothing because men took everything from them to starve, unless they agree once more to 7 day slavery to you. You are disgusting.

We are fine with you having all you want. But keep your hate and bitterness to yourselves. I am 43. I, and most men my age and younger, don’t seek to hold you back from anything. Therefore we OWE YOU NOTHING.
We were brought up in a world where independence and autonomy for women was to be accepted. I do accept it. Most of us do.

You demand the right for femininity to be self defined by women, yet you attack masculinity, as if it is only negative, and tell us how to be men. Get lost. I don’t tell you how to be women. Most guys I know dont do this.

The statistical likelihood of partner violence is somewhat higher in lesbian couples by the way.

I especially love how male guilt is collectivise by feminists and female guilt is individualised. A number of men go on a rape spree, and it is “indicative of a general flaw in male nature”; female teachers sexually abuse 13 year old pupils and it is that woman who is a predator and this isn’t a reflection on all women(I agree). But look at the former example. My word, you are hypocrites.

“But keep your hate and bitterness to yourselves. I am 43. I, and most men my age and younger, don’t seek to hold you back from anything. Therefore we OWE YOU NOTHING.”

A lot of men your age are making or have made a lot of money covertly torturing and killing women then replacing them with Transgender’s.

A few years ago I discovered that everything was mathematics. If this is correct you might find that your debt to others is being calculated by the second. You may find you are the most in debt people on the planet if you imagine another persons life to be worthless.

Some people are hugely in debt to me for what they have done to my life. I want them to pay. Wont happen here on earth but life is short and who knows what happens next.

I have been tortured intensely since the age of 12 and to a lesser degree earlier in life.
I was tortured at school in my examination years and actually during my exams to stop me achieving. To leave all the good positions open for men. Women now have nothing because men have neglected to pay us for your government enforced 24 hour care of children etc etc. They have paid us just enough to stay alive while they force women to give up their entire lives caring for children and providing 24/7 domestic services for you with no pay check.

The successful women with money have all been genetically male, just another lie.

If you think you have the technology to live here forever and escape possible justice then remember this. No matter what technology you have, whatever created you “God” can decide to end your life if God chooses. Whether the creator “God’ will do that or not I have no idea. I do not claim to know the mind or intention of God [Whatever made us] but neither do you.

If God is as horrible, ungrateful and selfish as you well who cares about God anyway.

You can claim you owe us nothing and will never have to pay in this life. But life is short and perhaps you don’t know it all.

“But keep your hate and bitterness to yourselves. I am 43. I, and most men my age and younger, don’t seek to hold you back from anything. Therefore we OWE YOU NOTHING.”

Hello

You wouldn’t be here if billions of women had not given birth to your parents and endured lifetime apon lifetime as slaves for your benefit. You owe your life to the people of history including the women who bore and nurtured all those people.This planet would be devoid of all humans if it were not for women. You owe them your life. You owe them everything.

“you men owe women everything” ? sounds like SLAVERY to me! I didn’t ASK to be born ! this is like Catholicism’s “born in original sin”. I sure as hell didn’t ask a twisted freak like you to bring a child into the world! you conceived a child you didn’t WANT? Then stop bitching about it and adopt it out! Lots of women WANT that child and don’t consider motherhood “slavery”! AND they’re pleased to find an decent guy who’ll work his ass off outside to bring home his EARNINGS . Bringing a baby into the world and making a 2 parent home raising that child is a PRIVILEGE that YOU shouldn’t have nor deserve .
how perverse your values are that you obsess with income envy and not see eternal value in a mother/child relationship . You MUST be a Marxist for your envy and resentment. PLEASE DON’T BREED.

Would you ask a male friend to work 7 days a week for you and not pay him. He would not be your friend for long. If he wanted to be paid for his work would you say to him.

“You MUST be a Marxist for your envy and resentment.”

Traditional men are not even treating a marriage Partner??? who most men claim to love with the same respect they treat a male friend or business partner.

As I have said female animals have equal access to the fruits of the earth.

As most people no longer have land to live off [which animals must have to survive] we now all depend on getting money for our labour.

It is not perverse jealousy or unwarranted resentment to demand the female share of money which has replaced resources which were taken away.

So men have been compensated for the lack of natural resources created by land ownership, industrialisation etc. They are now paid for their contribution of labour in different positions.

But women were never included in this system of compensation and this meant men could control and and use them as slaves in return for food clothing etc. In days gone by women were often sick and hungry because their husbands spent all the money and did not provide food etc.

The removal of natural resources then the replacement of those resources with wages has not been fairly enacted. The men have turned us in to beggars which female animals are not.

Would you talk that way to a black slave telling him that the man feeds him houses him and clothes him but who doesn’t pay him is a great guy who brings home the bacon and is providing for him
And that he should be grateful.

If the slave has no money for his labor he is unable to live independently or choose the life he wants.

Trisha “people including women ” includes men also. You must see that.

This hardly deserves a response.

You concentrate on a non existent triviality and don’t even mention the billions of women who were enslaved and often went hungry [because no one paid them for the care of children] Often they were not even fed unlike the black slaves. They were not left starving and therefore sick while their husbands drank and spent all the money.

Lets compare here. A 10 second ejaculation ” A pleasurable experience compared to 9 months nurturing of a foetus which pulls many resources from your body. Pregnancy often induces months of
sickness and sometimes death of the mother.

“I sure as hell didn’t ask a twisted freak like you to bring a child into the world! you conceived a child you didn’t WANT? Then stop bitching about it and adopt it out!”

Hello Dean

I have not conceived any children and have been tortured intensely and gang stalked for at least 5 years with people insinuating and in some instances saying that I must produce a child or die.
You are not getting the use of my womb and body and the use of my time providing a luxury lifestyle for a man [all household services and childcare] for slave conditions.
Who are the twisted freaks. It sure isn’t me. I don’t torture or enslave decent people.

“Then stop bitching about it and adopt it out!”

Again women not given the natural resources that other animals need to survive cannot feed their young and are forced to marry a man and provide his luxury lifestyle or loose their child because they are not given enough money to live independently.

Why would I be grateful to have a man then torture me with his cellphone because with no money I can’t escape.

This happened to me when I lived with a man and believe me I wasn’t grateful for the experience. luckily for me at the time I owned my own home so he left. The houses near by were government housing full of microwave torturers so the torture didn’t stop.

Millions of men and boys were equally enslaved. What’s your point? The whip hurts whoever it lands on.

Oh yes your slavery matters more. Another feminist pissing contest about suffering. And looking for reasons to blame all men for the crimes of some.

You know, we have read your posts, whether as C Welch, or dreaming life. The hate against trans people, the weird stuff about secret waves and all that, and your conspiracy theories. You need help. Frankly it’s a disgrace that the blogger hasn’t expressed concern for you.

I hardly see natural women at all where I am living. I am being gang stalked and tortured constantly by men and Transgenders. Right now I am not keen on either, who are usually genetically the same.

Do you expect me to like people who have tortured me from birth in an attempt to destroy me so that they can replace me.
Do you expect me to be happy that my gender is represented in the media, parliament sports etc by Transgenders and natural women are not included in the good positions which media claim are given to women.

Do you expect me to be happy that transgenders in parliament say things like

“If you give a woman money shes off” In other words they are saying that most women will leave a marriage if they have other opportunities. It implies that natural women shouldn’t be given money as a way of keeping them in marriage.

Is this a hateful way for a transgender who is claiming to represent women [and getting a nice fat pay packet ] to speak.

Where is the hate coming from here. Trans people have helped the men torture and murder my gender so you can replace us. Do you expect me to be nice to you as you keep trying to wipe me out.

I believe some of what is behind men becoming women is that female hormones can extend the lifespan a great deal when those women are not being covertly attacked and murdered.
I read recently that in some parts of the world women are living to 140 years old and that the men cant get to anywhere near that age.

Many foods and chemicals replace natural oestrogen but are not nearly as potent as natural oestrogen thus decreasing the bodys oestrogen and life span. I read recently that many forms of contraceptives are masculinizing. But your doctor will decide which form you are given.
I suspect transgenders are given good life extending forms of oestrogen replacement.
So who are been given the masculinizing pills and who are getting the good life extending forms???
In the todays environment which prefers transgenders to women I would take a guess that women are not getting good natural life extending contraception.

The problem men have is your hypocrisy…if you want to see violence against a partner, Google Jordan Worth. If you want to see a sexual predator Google Vanessa George. Most women would never do the things these women have. Neither would MOST men do these things to women.

We are sick of you judging us by a minority made up of sickos and psychopaths who happen to be the same gender.

Until you are willing to get off the high horse and take a look at yourselves, you have no right to judge us. And you wonder why Mgtow exists. I can’t blame them, even if they do attract some unfortunate types.
No wonder you don’t want equality. That would mean being held to the same standard of responsibility. Men can be rapists, so can women.
Men can be pedofiles, so can women. Men can be spouse abusers, so can women.
What’s the difference, you do nothing like the same sentence, if you go to jail at all. I call that actual sexism. And if it was my child being abused, you can be assured I would treat that woman the SAME as a man if I ever caught her …

Dude? Dude? Where do you live? You seriously cannot see the statistics of today’s world? What sex holds the record for rapes,beatings,harassment and murder? It’s MEN! We live in porn culture: look around and see how women are expected to perform the degrading acts men see in porn. If you think most men are nice and innocent look up porn(created by men for men’s pleasure). 90% of porn is extremely degrading towards women and it gets worse and worse because as men lose their empathy they need more violent content to get off. Now because of so many muslim immigrants there is a new genre of porn aimed to degrade muslim women:See titles as ” Muslim woman in need gets fucked by 3 guys”.Please show me a majority of women who would masturbate on videos of men being called w*ores, beaten,tied,gagged,penetrated everywhere until they are in tears. You won’t find women doing this(except maybe a very very low number of them). This says everything about you and how much you truly hate women! You didn’t hear of #metoo by now? Ask all women you know and i can guarantee you that ALL of them have at least 1 event of harassment to tell. Every woman experiences at least one during her lifetime. Why,if the majority of you are nice and innocent? You are able to go anywhere you want at any time you want,dressed however you want. You don’t risk rape. Women do! You don’t risk having your drink spiked with drugs at the bar so you can be raped latter by some woman. You won’t be intoxicated with alcohol so that a group of women can rape you with strapons everywhere. It is so convenient to keep the eyes closed isn’t that so? If you are so nice and innocent why do you colonize the lands of other men and start wars? It’s for gaining power and resources and domination. Stop hiding behind the finger because we the feminists see you and won’t keep the mouth shut: you want to rule over everything. It doesn’t matter who suffers as long as you get what you want. When you don’t engage in wars,rape,beating,harassment,murder or keeping women as second class citizens you are PASSIVE. You close your eyes and never stand up for women because it doesn’t concern you. You won’t fight against prostitution because you benefit from it. Most prostitutes would stop if they would be able to get money in other ways. You won’t fight against pornography because you like it and you see nothing disturbing in wanking to women in pain. Liars,hypocrites and selfish-that’s what most of you are!

I like your article.
the fact that the patriarchy /society has created systems that prevent people male and female from getting what they want is true. the law creation …well yes men made it, but can you prove that they made it just for themselves or like current laws and system where we have people represent people.
in the UK it was a “household” representation ,traditionally the “man” of the home votes for the house . his means that the eldest son of 23, or the butler could not vote either ,as it was one per household . this would be for general elections and polls and referendums. people acting on behalf of other people ,much like politicians currently represent an area /constituency. so the system/ patrearcy has just adapted and included more girls , which it did have girls in it,and it excluded many men.
the idea that male society in it’s current form is not the pinnacle is something we can all agree on.
However the way in how many men ,just ,like many women ,feel oppressed and left out of the loop.
at present society feels like it is reaching a more social norm between masculine behaviours and feminine behaviors. this is causing strain on both sides, but not the middle. people who are very feminine are being made to feel pressured to be more “feminist and liberated” where as masculine men are also being made to feel as if “their role and existence is no longer needed” .notice the diffrence…
One side promotes changing of one’s self. the other is a societal peer pressured (mass) execution/ suicide.
this is the fight on both sides of feminism.

one is a personal rejection (feminine side )
the other is a fight to survive (masculine side)

Read the scum manifesto by Valerie Solanas or Gloria Steinem’s wonderful pieces and then tell me feminism is good for me too.

“We need to reduce men to 10 percent of their current population”
Now tell me this isn’t your kind of feminism. No, it is red blooded full fat feminism. Properly done.

The best trick feminism played was to make the average woman treat “feminism” and “equality” as synonyms. To any women reading, please, for the love of reason, look at what the founding mothers and current leaders have actually said and done.
I am for equality. Feminism is not.

And finally, stop telling us how to be men. You have no right. If we harm you, then do what you have to, but most of us don’t and won’t ever seek to hurt you. A normal man’s instinct is protective, not harmful. Don’t judge us by maladjusted predators.

“The best trick feminism played was to make the average woman treat “feminism” and “equality” as synonyms. ”

I must say that I have read almost nothing about feminism. Mainly because I have been too ill from radio frequency torture to read since age 15. I believed in equality from an early age.

Part of the trick you talk about is that there is no word to describe a woman who believes in equality.
Could she be called an equalist? Sounds a bit odd but the only name that comes remotely close to my knowledge is feminist and that does apparently have many types as defined by people who might have an agenda that everyday women were not privy to. Our language seems to limit the options.

This also applies to religion. It seems when you mention GOD people automatically put you in the religious category.
I have never liked religion but have always considered myself to be spiritual and used to enjoy meditation. I believe that there is a being or beings responsible for the creation of the Universe, but do not believe in any religious dogma. The whys and wherefores are in my don’t know basket. So we have atheists who don’t believe there is a creator and agnostics who don’t know. Where is the word for people who believe something must have created all this but don’t know what the creator is and anything about that creator. The word for someone who doesn’t acknowledge any known spiritual text as being sanctioned by the creator. These texts have been written by men and these men are not engaged in a two way dialogue with the creator. [God does not actually talk to them]. So what do we call this persons belief system?
Why don’t we have a word to describe this persons belief system, my belief system.

I’ve said the exact same things for years, however , how I differentiate my pro “equalist” position is by emphasizing my support for the early Women’s Rights Movement but In opposition to the later 3rd wave Feminism which has usurped and highjacked the narrative for the extreme leftr,

C Welch:
Where did I support genuine deadbeat dad’s? I am annoyed, because I see good men get shafted and feminists coming along with the attitude “tough luck because all these OTHER guys did something wrong, so just shut up and take it.”
Your worldview is hurting good people. Stop acting like men all act and think the same way. My son is not how you said, my brother isnt, my father isnt. I love them, and I am sick of hearing them get lumped in with scumbags. And maybe look at all these drug addicted women raising thug criminals.
Oh yes, they’re victims…😭

“I see good men get shafted and feminists coming along with the attitude “tough luck because all these OTHER guys did something wrong, so just shut up and take it.”

The abuse of women in our society has become part of what a descent Guy is.

I talked to a woman who’s husband was stationed in Singapore with the NZ army. All the men there, married and single visited prostitutes except the captain. The married captain didn’t go to prostitutes but had a lover.
Her decent man wanted to bring his lover back to NZ and keep his wife and girlfriend. Not one of the troops was faithful to his wife here in NZ. They were not involved in fighting.

Another women told me about working for a big a company with a large number of executive men on the Payroll in England. At lunchtime the men most of them married would all without exception go to visit their lovers.
Where are these decent Guys you are talking about. I’m sick of hearing that bull.

So all single mothers were drug addicted and damaged their precious male offspring and that is the reason for all the abuse against women in the comments here.

Wo you need to grow up and look at reality. You are part of movement trying to force women back into marriages.

You clearly think single mothers are unfit and drug addicted. Therefore we should force them out of the workforce where a decent man can use them as free household labor for his hotel lifestyle and sex on tap.

I haven’t seen many drug addicted mothers etc and think they are a media construct with the main actors been transgender women impersonating real women like we have seen in the media for many years, so the elites who own the media can then publicly label unmarried women as something bad and re-introduce traditional marital slavery.

But of course not for Transgender women because after all they are genetically male and therefor better than Natural women.

You haven’t said one good thing about women. You haven’t helped defend women. You only defend the men
by throwing a load of unsubstantiated mud at them.

My son is a decent man. He is nothing like you describe, and I won’t have him characterized as a predator, just because he is male, neither did I turn him into half a man, in order to make him acceptable, like feminists would.

His masculinity IS his nobility, and is why he treats women so well.
He learned that from his father, another true man. I am proud of them both. Their humble dedication gives me life.

I take nothing away from victims, and I despise these men who do these things, but they aren’t fit to breathe the air of the men I know, who are beautiful people.

I can hear pain in what you say Cheryl and I do not mean to hurt you, I just love my boys. I hope you can get peace for yourself.

I see my reply has been blanked out…Jess you don’t want to hear another side. You only care about your own.
This lady has been harmed, and ideology like yours has used women and their pain to pursue an agenda. She needs help to assuage her fear, and instead you encourage it, by feeding her fear of men. She thinks NORMAL men are sleazy predators. I know this is BS.

Here is a piece of info: Jess, it is true, the majority of sexual crimes are perpetrated by men.
How common are those crimes: according to the ONS in the UK, the incidence of rape including attempted was below 1% from 2005 to 2017. You are talking the majority of this 1% of these crimes being perpetrated by men. Ok fair enough, that might tell you something about abnormal men, and suggest measures against THEM specifically. I am not going to accept being told that I have to hold all men in contempt, because of these freaks. To paraphrase joshx45, men don’t judge all of us based on Myra Hindley, do they?

I have not blocked any replies, all of your replies are here.
However, I am working in NZ which gives me a time difference of about 11 hours so it’s taking me a while to keep up and sign off all of the comments on this blog as there are hundreds per day.
None of your comments have been deleted.

Most men believe in marriage or domestic slavery. Even if they are polite and loving it is still slavery to get you working 7 days a week with no legal right to money for your labor.

I don’t see all these decent men lining up to pay their wives for the seven day, no holiday wife job.

At the beginning of my country only 1 in 7 female European settlers survived and I have to wonder what was going on. Huge numbers of Maori women were exterminated in supposed Maori Tribal wars, so many that their population didn’t recover for a long time.

The torture and extermination of my gender has been going on for a long long time by a lot of men you refer to as decent.

That is hardly an isolated incident of 1 lunatic acting alone.

The perpetrators of these crimes should be the ones needing to find peace not me.

I will not be turned into a mummy slave even though they continue to torture me.

“all the NZ men visited prostitutes in Singapore”.
so absolutely no proof other than what perhaps ONE person said AND what the demographic of that unit is made up of -could they all possibly be convicts or maybe it happen to be this specific group of guys each have been cheated and enlisted to get away from living as civilized gentlemen-all collectively agreeing on it?

Josh, they refuse to see it. Maybe time to let it rest. It looks like you are banging your head on a brick wall.

Feminists only listen to women, and men who agree with them.

Have you seen Jessica be willing to engage with a single point you guys make, or anyone else who disagrees with her? They don’t care about men, or what they think. It is a site about empowering victim hood, not victims.

Oh you don’t want me spreading truth. I’m sure the men can decide with their technology who if anyone will visit these pages. I’m under no illusions and not totally brain dead yet.

Lets just sweep all the torture murder and destruction of so many female lives under the carpet. [ Because they didn’t look hot enough to live according to the men. So had to endure lifelong torture from which many men made a good living] .And what of you and your hatred mongering “Drug addicted mother lies”. You are a disgrace to whatever gender you belong. Can’t tell on the internet.

the vast majority of western men actually agree with equal pay for equal WORK and while even most western women support the gender quotas which HAS been policy in many places for almost two generations now!
i see the straw man arguments are STRONG with you

Im talking about the 7 day a week job of housework. Most women laugh at the bullshit statistics fed to the public about the hours men and women contribute to a household. Women laugh when I mention 50 hours per week cause its way more than that. This is especially important right now as most women are losing their 9 to 5 jobs [except for Transgenders] and being forced back into the home where there is no pay. So we now have a Male/Transgender workforce. Where are the Natural women and how are they living.

By far the biggest injustice women face, committed by most men is domestic slavery.

I’m tired of hearing about decent men who just need to support their families. The system designed by men means men earn more so they are the logical provider and the woman is the logical slave. Then they believe that after providing for their family the money left over belongs to them.
They have no legal obligation to pay their wives for household services. They have no legal obligation to tell their wives what they are earning. They have no legal obligation to share any remaining money [after expenses] with their wife.

I was told by a male member of parliament that all men without exception try to prevent their wives getting matrimonial property during a divorce.

Many couples have used trusts and put their homes etc into those trusts. What women are not told by their husbands or lawyers is that those trusts are not subject to matrimonial property laws. In years gone by women saw other women still getting divorce settlements as shown in the media but they didn’t realize [and weren’t told by anyone] that this was only because it took years to transfer money into a trust without substantial taxation penalties, so there was usually still money available [not transferred to the trust] to claim as matrimonial property.
This changed radically when the NZ National party removed all penalties for transferring money into trusts. Then suddenly all family money could be immediately transferred into a trust without penalty and many women lost their share of everything they thought they were entitled to.

I guess the idea of matrimonial property kept many women working willingly for their families thinking they were being fairly treated only to find later that they had been conned and now had nothing of their own and no way of escaping an unhappy situation.

What the lawyers have done to women is actually illegal. Lawyers are meant to fully inform their clients by law and instead conspired with husbands [good men] to trick women who didn’t know and were not told, that anything could prevent their rights to matrimonial property.

The truth is they are designing the system to make women poor and therefore dependent and doing most domestic unpaid labor for nothing but their keep [ like the Black slave in America ]. The men might claim the system is not their fault but it is what they want. They just blame the elites [ men’s representatives ] to stop war breaking out in their homes. They want their slave to love them or at least like them. If their wives [ Slaves ] knew what they really think and how they are being conned they would and should hate them.

I went out with a guy who I later realized had been torturing me with his cell phone. I told him of a woman who was beautiful but not a very nice person. His reply was that women like her could be trained. That is how your average man is taught to think and act by the older men. To manipulate women into willing slavery. Then if they cant achieve that she is covertly tortured.

I went out with another guy who told me about his sister and how she was having a horrible time doing all domestic work + paying half the bills as she also worked.

I went off him when he talked about working in India and going to prostitutes. His sex slave was a young girl who he told me just wanted to go home to her parents. He used the term 1 bucky fucky to describe the services he received from her.

Before he left he told me that he wanted a similar marital setup to the one that he knew inflicted misery on his sister. That of a woman who pays half the bills and does all domestic work. I guess this meant that he could save more of his money [for himself] and have a comfortable life. He wanted the hotel lifestyle. His ideal women was a self financing slave.

While he was with me he did share the cooking and did his own housework but was hoping that in marriage the situation would change to the one described. He lamented to me. You mean I’m never going to have someone to wash my socks etc etc. He longed for a domestic slave. A life of luxury which he couldn’t or wouldn’t pay for.

I spoke with him long after we had finished about getting machines to to a lot of housework. This had the affect of sending him into a complete rage. The idea of women not doing unpaid slave labor for their food was too much for him to tolerate.

“I was told by a male member of parliament that all men without exception try to prevent their wives getting matrimonial property during a divorce.”
There’s always an exception.
When my BIL divorced my sister he gave her his marital estate in the house, continued making the mortgage payments, gave her his interest in the car she usually drove, and made child support payments on time until each child’s 18th birthday.

If businesses can get away with paying women less for the same jobs, why do men have any jobs at all?

A company has 20000 employees, and say 47% are women. Lets say that they are being paid £2000 less deliberately. What boss is going to bother paying 53% 2000 more each, when he can just hire an all female workforce?

The only explanation that would make sense is if men were objectively better at those jobs most of the time, and companies were paying for that. I don’t believe that. Seen too many mixes of ability, regardless of gender
Women tend to pick less well paid jobs. Women just don’t go for say engineering in the same numbers as men.

Yes we get it, C Welch. You despise men.
And isn’t Jessica Eaton the same feminist nutter who wrote not to make misandry(hatred of men) into a hate crime? Because “Well it would just be too easy for men to abuse the slippery slope and make anything a woman says into misandry”(an ironic response that feminists won’t recognize the irony in).

I despise anyone who decides to torture me, to stop me achieving in life. I despise anyone who tries to turn me into an unpaid navy for their comfort and benefit. I despise anyone who wants natural women they are not attracted to to be tortured & eliminated from the earth. If that is all men then yes I despise them. Like I have said I have been far too ill in my life to read feminist books. From a young age I was opposed to the slavery of women without ever having reading a load of feminist writing. There is no simple English word to describe a woman who wants financial equality ( to be properly compensated for her labour in the home and if she wishes to have equal opportunities in the workforce). If feminist describes this then I am one.

so Dreaming Life ,you click “like” on her OWN comments! yep, nothing abnormal happening here….
also – repeated comments on “transgenders” being a problem for feminism. WHAT transgenders? can you NAME any ? they certainly don’t represent cis gendered NORMAL men and in fact are considered
mental patients like YOU likely are.

It should be remembered that generalizations like “feminists ______” shouldn’t be understood as “ALL feminists.” “Feminist” and “feminism” are broad spectrums.
The feminists Mario refers to in “feminists won’t recognize the irony in” don’t care.

I’ve been a man for over half a century. I do not spend my days and nights on guard against violence perpetrated against me by women.
I lock my doors against male burglars and home invaders.
I lock my car doors against male carjackers.
For years I carried a concealed handgun. Usually two. Against attacks by women? Of course not. Don’t be silly. Against male robbers. More than once just a thug seeing that I was armed with a deadly weapon inspired them to go away. Both of them were armed with handguns.
Of course my precautions would have worked against female thugs as well, but that never was on my mind. I haven’t been assaulted or threatened by a female since the seventh grade. It’s always men threatening, acting suspiciously, pulling guns on me, shooting at me.

Thankyou for your input and making valid points. I don’t discount any opinion which is presented respectfully nor do I support the angry bitter women and men who just dump on either of the two genders. there are some damaged spiteful people and then good hearted people in each group. in that light , your anecdotal examples are only part of a broader picture. I can relate to instances where women have purposefully used white nights to attack other men just out of spite, in one instance causing death and others resulting in life altering disabilities. how many black men were lynched because jim crow white women threw them under a bus rather than admit they cheated on husbands? I want TRUE equality of opportunity for BOTH sexes ,not this 3rd wave feminist hypocrisy which is equality of outcome/communism. property rights, reproductive rights, parental rights-along with personal responsibility- ,etc are vitally important for BOTH sexes. I attack no one with my views, though activists with invested bias in one group may take offense, so be it. ________________________________

Do you think a woman should be angry about being covertly tortured for her entire life. Do you think a woman should be angry for being forced to work 7 days a week with no holidays or pay i.e. 24 hour care of children as legislated by men.
You might say “don’t get married” but women are tortured covertly if they refuse. Do you think they have a right to be angry and bitter about that.

Do you think the black slaves in America had a right to be bitter and angry about what was done to them?

so what’s the solution? collectively blame an entire group for the past wrongs committed by a fraction within that groups WHILE giving the greater fraction NO collective credit for fighting AGAINST slavery? you are living in the best civilization that EVER existed for both averaged living standards and personal freedom for ALL and it was western men who created it. by contrast ,Islamic Arab nations had legalized slavery up until the late 20th century yet the left attempts to make illegal our speaking out against it as “racist” “hate speech”.
Western men are getting fed up with this double standard bullshit being spewed by Marxist/feminists.

The Scandivain mass killer-Breviek- was sexually molested and then told she wished he was dead repeatedly through his early childhood by his divorced mother. You never heard about this even after his trial because of the lying ass femiMarxist international media

No, Ms Eaton it is an example of carefully selected statistics being particularly employed, by a biased movement with an agenda.

You will see what you want to see.

We are tired of being demonized. You are going to lose the support of decent intelligent people if the stupidity of trivia like “mansplaining” continues.
You don’t seem to hate men, from what I see, but your philosophy is institutionally misandrist. I wish you could actually understand what this is doing to perfectly innocent men. Yes such a thing exists.

If women really have an issue with us men, they can just date each other if they believe that will make them feel better. From my understanding it’s always the women over 30-40 that talk a lot of sh* more so than the women in their 20s, at that time they were all too busy sleeping around with everybody. They hit 30 and 40 now their talking out the a** if men were equal to women they would get bored, men claiming to be feminist are just morons who get used by those women who really want to be with and sleep with men that can dominate their whiny asses while the male feminist end up eventually becoming gay or settling with some ugly woman that’s nothing like the women he thought he’d be able to get by becoming a feminist.

There is a damn good reason why Stud dyke lesbians do NOT like women who are equal to them, They always go for submissive females that dont have an issue with submitting to them not other women who want to be dominate or equal to them. Men are honestly much better off chasing Trans women to be honest. They don’t have this jaded view about men at all, granted their still male but if you can look over that and just accept them, I can guarantee you they’ll fight harder than genetic women at making you happy unless you are lucky enough to go to a country where women love submitting to men and men are expected to be dominant in the relationship. I don’t trust sh*t women say, because I know for a fact any man who tries to be passive or equal to a woman is going to get laughed at and overlooked by the very same women claiming they want equality.

At the end of the day if you want someone who doesn’t have an issue with serving you and being submissive, date trans females. I guarantee you they aren’t selfish about this stuff, nor do they bitch about it. They are a threat to real women, because they are more capable of being women than actual women are, and that scares the hell out of a lot of them. That’s one reason why Feminist don’t accept them as female, they fear these people. They know they are a threat. Trans females are feminine too the point where they would never DREAM of becoming masculine or being seen as anything but female.

That means having all the traits of what they feel and believe a woman should and aught to have. And this is what makes them a threat.

And they have a good reason to fear them, most trans women are hot as hell. Especially the ones in Brazil, South East Asia, etc. Very calm, and usually gentle people to be around. I once met one that was so glad to cook for me, that she made any woman I’ve known look pitiful. And was always concerned about anything going on with me too.

I don’t even complain about genetic women anymore simple because I know it’s the Western ones for the most part that really suck the most. Especially White Women. Black women are more at disadvantage but its these privileged white women that have more than enough to live a peaceful life that act so goddamn stupid.

Quite. As a bloke, I’m tempted to write a “lean out” pamphlet, aimed at men. The corporate workaholic drone life is a crock of shit. I’d far rather spend time with my kids. But the option doesn’t exist. 2 poxy weeks of paternity leave. And a vicious culture which will ensure you’re fired if you’re naive enough for unpaid leave, even if that was affordable. What many men “have” is pitiful. Stunted lives, largely. Makes me laugh when I see women “aspiring” to have more of our crap. We should be aspiring to be more like women. As you correctly note, what men currently have is no blueprint.

I think you might be missing the intended meaning, equality is definitely used by activists to say being treated with respect equal to other genders.

And if there was complete equality, it would go both ways, so men would also likely not face discrimination. In an equal society, there also wouldn’t be the things you described that push men down because it’d be inherintly harmful to all genders based on the assumption of differences.