Wired UK Covers E-Cat, Cold Fusion [Update: Forbes Profiles Testers]

David Hambling has written an article for Wired.co.uk titled “Cold Fusion gets red hot and aims for EU” in which he discusses the recent 3rd party E-Cat test and other developments in the LENR field. Hambling has written about Rossi and the E-Cat before, but like many journalists he has not covered the topic while waiting for important events to transpire. Today he writes,

“Rossi has continued to make extravagant but unverifiable claims, promising that independent tests would be published at some point. Something astonishing has now happened: a third-party report has been published supporting Rossi’s claims.”

The article is an accurate and balanced approach to the story, and he acknowledges the debate surrounding the topic and provides quotes from Paul Story of eCatnews, myself (Frank Acland), and Steven B. Krivit.

Hambling also brings attention to the upcoming meeting at the EU Parliament on June 3 on the Pons/Fleischmann effect which he says will be attended by Herbert von Bose, director of the EU’s Industrial Technologies Programme. The article concludes on a familiar strain that many observers in the media these days seem to echo:

There are many questions still be to be answered. But the new report might just provide the kick needed to get those answers. Will EU taxpayers support a project to establish once and for all whether this is a gigantic con, or the biggest new technology of the century?

UPDATE:

A new article by Mark Gibbs has been published at Forbes.com in which he looks at the professional qualifications of the academics involved in the 3rd party testing of the E-Cat. He wrote it in response to criticisms of the testers in terms of their qualifications and independence. Gibbs has compiled a list of the testers including their professional positions and links to their publications and concludes:

I find it hard to believe that Rossi could, somehow co-opt this diverse group into knowingly participating in a scam. This means that if the whole E-Cat thing is a fraud, the recent tests would have to have been engineered to hoodwink them. We’ll look into those theories in the next posting.

In the over two years of posting on JONP, I have suggested to Dr. Rossi in prior posts there are powerful financial interests that will stop at nothing to delay and/or eliminate his E-Cat. He has always replied to me, there is no reason to believe he is being threatened, and has always minimized the possibility of violence toward him. He has now told us his life has been threatened and he takes this threat seriously. Those of us who respect and believe in Dr. Rossi should also take these threats seriously and do all we can to expose those making these threats.

Roger Bird

“I love Rossi and LENR and paradigm shifting and economic freedom for all. I dislike patho-skeptics and especially that liar Krivit.”

I used Google Translate to take that sentence to Azerbaijani to English to Azerbaijani to English, and this is what I got. I think that it is cool:

“Rossi and LENR and paradigm is changing, and I love all of economic freedom. I Krivit patho-called skeptics, and especially lying.”

Krivit has become a verb for lying and being a dumb 5hi7. Krivit’s biggest problem is letting his lower nature drive his thinking, or what passes for thinking. Implying that Rossi is all-powerful and can manipulate 11 scientists without their even knowing it is VERY akin to Krivit’s wicked heart manipulating his thinking.

Ted-X

Krivit just created a new scientific discipline: kriviti$m. 🙂
It is a pity that scientists do not study the philosophy of science. One of the philosophers of science, Karl Popper, defined pseudoscience:
“what is unfalsifiable is classified as unscientific, and the practice of declaring an unfalsifiable theory to be scientifically true is pseudoscience”. The interpretation is that if a scientist thinks that his theory can not be disproved (proven wrong), than such a scientist practices pseudoscience. What about nuclear physicists? Some prominent scientists in that field (and other fields)… practice pseudoscience. Pure logic.

orsobubu

Don’t rely too much on popperism, it was proved wrong decades ago by Geymonat, Feyerabend, etc. If you cannot disprove a theory, can be that the theory be perfectly exact. Only the first contradiction principle in formal logic could really disprove a theory. Popperism was born in the mccarthysm era, when an ideology was required by the ruling bourgoeise class to defeat dialectical materialism. Dialectical materialism is a real science and it is the foundation of Marx’ scientific communism. It is true because it cannot be proved wrong, to date, but it is perfectly possible, in theory. Popper claimed dialectical materialism false because he claimed its unfalsifiability, but that was only a miserable trick to support the cold war between USA and URSS, as the latter had adopted marxism to justify its state-capitalism, presenting it as communism. Popper would have been right if he had proved that soviet ideology was a distorted dialectical materialism elaborated to support russian imperialism against american imperialism. Real dialectical materialism – the base of communism – is real just because gives a scientific explanation to imperialism, cold war, state-capitalism, etc: if there are market, money, wage work, banks, etc, as in URSS, you cannot affirm this is communism, in the same way you cannot affirm that free market ideology in USA is for real, because without state help, printed money and protectionism, the free markets would be dead long time ago. Free market and soviet communism are only bourgeoise false ideologies, but this is demonstrated by dialectical materialism, not by its (false) unfalsifiability.

Ted-X

It is just “pure logic”, that Popper was right when he stated that “theories can not be proven right; theories can only be proven wrong”. I am not interested in the rest of the Popper’s theories.
In social/economic sciences all the theories failed miserably and they became merely tools of propaganda of the governing cliques. The real conclusions we can take only from analyzing the history, and we have to do it on our own; pre-digested theories are easier for secondary digestion but the taste is bad 🙂 . Do some independent thinking. Independent thinking has the future (the present situation is not conducive to independent thinking, unfortunately). Men, think on your own, reject the theories, do not use “charged words” and try to validate your sources, because even the sources are quite corrupted. Use pure logic, not somebody else’s ideas.

Scientific theories are more linked by groups and a sort of political war, helped by the fact that it is usefull…

His book is bloody against academics…
science is done by practitioners and then history is rewritten to say it came from theory…
his book notice many case of suche history rewriting, in finance, physics, aeronautic… even about his own works…
bloody.

Roger Bird

What a croak!!! “Dialectical Materialism” is just an idea, a perspective. It can neither be proven nor disproven. And as far as scientific socialism is concerned, one would think that North Korea, the Evil Empire, Cuba, etc. etc. etc would have disproven that stupid idea. Communism hinges on the notion that the ownership of the means of production will determine the goodness or badness of people. I would think that Stalin and Ted Bundy would have disproven that absurd idea. Communism does not take into account the good or bad of the individual, and dictatorship of the proletariat would necessarily be run by one or several individuals, without any way to protect the masses from bad people, like your beloved Stalin. If there were some kind of checks and balances in Communism, they wouldn’t have performed quite so dreadfully.

And the idea that they have all the answers, their attitude of being “scientific” or having a monopoly on the truth, made them into monsters, like Islamo-Nazis, the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, Conquistadors who thought that the Indians were total losers, Nazi, and now patho-skeptics who don’t have to look at the evidence.

Robyn Wyrick

I’d feel better if the debate was lifted up. Mr. Krivit has an opinion, and that is not likely to change without a mountain of contradictory evidence. And he does not elevate the discussion. But I would still ask that we do.

Where is it from? I cannot see any death threat there. It just says that Rossi might be in danger of being assassinated.

GreenWin

Allusions to assassination ARE death threats from cowardly a-holes.

Roger Bird

That’s nonsense. Warning or giving a heads up is hardly a threat of assassination. It is sort of the opposite of a threat of an assassination. I could very well imagine that some dictator of an oil dependent country, should he and his minions find out about Rossi and the E-Cat, might very well try to kill him. It will probably be way too late for anything like this by the time these kinds of people figure out what is going on, hopefully.

GreenWin

The last thing a smart agent wants to do is commit murder. The dead man trigger releases a whole cloud of compromising documents – i.e. dirt that sinks dozens of high level oligarchs. This is how savvy people protect themselves.

And people who threaten honest individuals are IMO cowardly aholes.

Roger Bird

Are you saying that I am a cowardly a55hole?

GreenWin

Are you threatening an honest individual Roger??

Roger Bird

GreenWin, does that make any sense? Perhaps you should go back to the 4th grade and take a course in reading. I did not threaten anyone, and anyone who reads what I said will see that. I gave a heads up regarding countries 100% dependence on oil, like Azerbaijan, which are run by a dictator. Such people could be particularly dangerous to someone who will put them completely out of business. Jeez, did you bump your head real hard or something? I was expecting an apology, not a repeat of your idiotic accusation.

GreenWin

Sorry Roger, throughout this dialog I was never referring to you.

freethinker

Azerbaijani, Google translate :
“There are a whole bunch of fascist dictatorships countries. Saudi Arabia is just one of many. I think so. The oil is almost completely dependent. U.S. will feel the squeeze, but will die without the oil. Dictatorships can act quickly. They do not need to consult with the heads of a few even in parliament. The dictator is completely subdue them. It may be hard to resist the fascist dictatorships, waiting for assassinations. But it is still not too late for them. Rossi then I’ll die, its notes published on the Internet in the hands of the formula all over the world there are a lot of lawyers, I’m sure.”

From this translation it could be like any speculations we have seen on this forum what risk an entrepreneur of LENR would take, when having a device ready and viable as a threat to big money interests.

Possibly there is a hint that if Rossi dies the formula would be spread on the internet (as a precaution, would he be killed by accident or by premeditated actions)

Roger Bird

I guess going from English to Azerbajani to English again is pretty messed up. I just said that Rossi probably has his formula in the hands of many lawyers around the world with instructions to publish on the Internet should he die.

artefact

I thought you found that on a scary page. Then forget what I said.

Pedro

In the original report is a plot that super imposes the input power and the output power (plot 7) which strongly suggests that the ecat works in batch mode. The 35% control mode prepares the reactor, and then the reactor runs for 65% in SSM.
I always wondered why the reactor needed heat from the resistors, whilst it s own working produced heat. There are 2 possible explanations I can think of…
1) the activator generates a ‘fuel’ for the ssm reaction, which will stop as soon as it runs out of ‘fuel’
2) the ssm reaction works only in a very narrow temperature band. The activator brings the reactor up to the minmum temperatur which ‘ignites’ a runaway reaction in the reactor which kills itself by raising the temperature beyond the upper limit. This causes the reactor to cool down again.
The question with 2 is: why doesn’t the reactor spontaniously re-ignite when the overheated reactor starts to cool down after killing the reaction? Maybe it’s a combination of both?
Any suggestions?

Thinks4Self

I think you’re on the right track but I believe the cause to be a little different.

I believe the majority of the heat is caused by adsorption of low level gamma and x-rays by the steel outer cylinder. The inner ceramic tubes are for containment of the reaction and are near invisible to the gamma and X-rays.

I believe the reaction to actually be multiple different reactions. The initial ones are transmutations(fusion of protons/neutrons from hydrogen with the metal lattice). These reactions are endothermic requiring the heat coils to jump start.

The second set of reactions I believe to be fission of the newly created transmutations back to their stable isotopes. This releases the gamma and X-rays as well as some heat(exothermic). It would also explain the lack of exotic isotopes in the fuel after cooling.

I believe the total heat released by the second set of reactions to be slightly less than the heat absorbed by core from the heating elements that began the process. So over time the core cools below the critical temperature and ssm ends.

The majority of the useful thermal energy is not created by the core itself but by adsorption of the gamma and x-rays on the outer cylinder which is mostly thermally isolated by a void/air-gap from the core.

That is my working theory of what is going on inside the E-Cat.

kasom

didn’t you sign a NDA? 😉

Thinks4Self

I wish I had the access to have signed a NDA. I just love a good puzzle and the E-Cat is certainly a puzzle right now.

Pedro

Interesting concept. But from the plot in the report we can see that the temp continues to rise first after the activator is switched of. That would imply a reaction that raises the temp and dies when the temp gets to high. Or a exothermic reaction first and an endothermic reaction later. Your thesis requires the opposite… Endothermic first, exothermic later.

Thinks4Self

The endothermic is basically creating fuel by creating heavier unstable isotopes of nickel and copper.

The exothermic is caused by half life decay (fission) of the isotopes caused by the transmutations. When the heat is turned off you stop adding extra heat to create heavier isotopes removing the focus on the endothermic part of the series, creating fuel. The focus then switches to decay/fission processes so the temperature would increase as there are fewer endothermic reactions to counter and the fuel is allowed to decay. It is the decay that heats the steel by way of low level gamma and x-rays.

As the isotopes break down less and less heat is available to keep the temperature at a level that is conducive to transmutations. Eventually no new isotopes are created and the temperature peaks and then begins a slow decline as the last of the isotopes decay.

It is just a guess…

Thinks4Self

“temperature at a level that is conducive to transmutations.” with this I am referring to the core not the unit as a whole.

And this refers to the exterior temperature of the steel:”the temperature peaks and then begins a slow decline”

AB

My two cents as layman.

It seems clear to me that there must be more than heat involved. It does not seem possible to have a design where the reaction is started by the very same thing it produces while maintaining control.

Either heat is not the trigger used to start the reaction, or heat is not the main product of the reaction.

Bill Hill

This is easy, after ignition you want to keep the output within a narrow range to maintain optimal efficiency. Perhaps the output would fluctuate too much if there wasn’t a regular input, being on 35% would appear to be that optimal input.

Thinks4Self

One more try at a clear concise theory of what is going on inside the E-Cat.

The core is made of ceramic and is isolated thermally from the steel outer cylinder by a void/air-gap. This is to prevent direct heat flow from the steel outer casing and the core. The ceramic would likely be nearly transparent to gamma and x-rays. The heating elements heat the core to the correct temperature and excite the hydrogen via the frequency generator. This creates unstable isotopes of nickel and copper. I believe the frequency generator may not be completely necessary but it magnifies or acts as a catalyst for the transmutations.

Once the core has been brought up to temperature the isotope creation begins. Decay of these isotopes create low level gamma and x-rays that heat the outer steel casing. I believe while the frequency generator is on it is more difficult but not impossible for the isotopes to decay, either do to constant bombardment of hydrogen ions creating heavier and heavier isotopes faster than the decay or some harmonic effect of the signal. When the heat coils are turned off so does the frequency generator so decay is allowed to happen at an increased rate. The temperature on the steel outer casing increases do to more isotopes decaying per time interval.

I believe the decay doesn’t produce enough thermal energy in the core to maintain the temperature needed for isotope creation so the core cools and stops making fuel but continues to put out low level gamma and x-rays from the decaying isotopes. Eventually all isotopes are decayed to a stable form and heat production stops on the outer steel casing.

The cycling of the generator on for 35% and off for 65% is likely to keep a fairly constant amount of isotopes available for decay and possibly to encourage the most energetic isotopes to be the majority if they have that fine of control.

Roger Bird

Looks good to me, Thinks4Self. Of course it doesn’t explain what is happening at the atomic level, but neither can anyone else for certain. Lots of people think that they know, but these theories have not yet been proven or accepted.

I would greatly prefer that Tesla was both a visionary/dreamer and a realist. Perhaps then he wouldn’t have been crushed by Edison and wouldn’t have become a nutjob proposing impossible schemes like broadcasting power over the airways and not expecting that the power would become attenuated because the receivers would be very teeny, tiny profiles in the sphere of broadcast. (Did I say that right?)

GreenWin

Behind a pay wall… reprint??

Methusela

Andrea Rossi
May 25th, 2013 at 10:33 AM
TO THE READERS, IMPORTANT:
We are, obviously, under attack, as usually after a successful test, but this time the level of threat has been raised: not being able to attack under a scientific and/or technological point of view the Third Party Indipendent Test, some are clearly inviting to kill me ( if so, at last I will be able to rest, after working 16 hours per day!), others insulting, but there is one that is very disturbing: a blog, which our intelligence has discovered to be of the same snake that is gently inviting to kill ( sic) me, has written that there are actions pending upon me in Court: this is totally false. Our attorneys tried to sue the author of this false statement, but it turned out that the author is anonimous, just a false address of a nickname, strangely originated from the same source of the website that invites to kill me and suggests how to. In any case, I declare and swear that it is totally false that there are any actions in Court pending against me. Of course we will search the evidence to make a REAL action in Court against the snake that has put in the web this false information.
To know exactly what happened to me in past ( I mean 15- 20 years ago) please go tohttp://www.ingandrearossi.com
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi

We have speculated in the past that Gary Wright might be a sock puppet of Krivit, whom Rossi has called snake, but a site search of shutdownrossi.com doesn’t produce any results for the keyword kill. Hmm…

RenzoB

actually it was Rossi himself who wrote that Gary Wright was “the snake”. I only see the writing style is similar.

RenzoB

of course it is plainly obvious that Gary Wright is an hired shill

Jerry Jones

Try – Steven krivit

Roger Bird

I did, and it made me vomit, gaseous, and diarrhea all at the same time.

Stew

but where are those death threats?

Roger Bird

Oh, yeah, that does seem a little paranoid, doesn’t it? I have no idea where the death threats are or if they are just in Rossi’s head. He has shown slight paranoid tendencies in the past, and now he is under much greater stress.

Jerry Jones

Steven krivit – has severe paranoidal tendencies he has demonstrated over his scary “intense” interest in anything Rossi.

The story is decent. The Register is an online blog covering computer IT software, hardware, networking and security. They have a pack of very noisy hackers commenting mostly against this validation report. In the end none of the skeps or critics can stop the business desire to commercialize a stunning new technology.

While it is easy to get caught up in the details of verification, let’s not forget this resource will lift the burden of poverty from literally billions of human beings. For that and reasons of an uplifted global economy, it’s important to stay focused on the next major steps. IMO they are to build and demonstrate a E-Cat HT that produces high pressure dry steam. After that, driving a steam turbine or engine to spin an alternator.

There is little that can stop that development if Elforsk and the American partner stay focused.

georgehants

From Vortex with thanks
here is a statement from Elforsk, in Swedish:http://www.elforsk.se/Aktuellt/Svenska-forskare-har-testat-Rossis-energikatalysator–E-cat/
Google translated:
Swedish researchers have tested Rossi energy catalyst – E-cat
Researchers from Uppsala University and KTH Stockholm has conducted
measurements of the produced heat energy from a device called the E-cat. It
is known as an energy catalyst invented by the Italian scientist Andrea
Rossi.
The measurements show that the catalyst gives substantially more energy
than can be explained by ordinary chemical reactions. The results are very
remarkable. What lies behind the extraordinary heat production can not be
explained today.There has been speculation over whether there can be any
form of nuclear transformation. However, this is highly questionable. To
learn more about what is going on you have to learn what is happening with
the fuel and the waste it produces. The measurements have been funded by
such Elforsk
Jed Rothwell

georgehants

Atom Ecology
EU Parliament Holds Special Meeting June 03, Preparing For Cold Fusion Age.
The European Parliament has scheduled a special meeting on 3 June 2013 to discuss cold fusion. The meeting organized and supported by the Italian Government Energy Agency ENEA, equivalent to the US DOE, will bring to the EU parliamentarian’s the astonishing news that cold fusion, 24 years after its announcement in Utah, has finally arrived.http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/24/eu-parliament-calls-for-meeting/

artefact

I can feel the revolution.

Interesting that nearly everyone calls it cold fusion. A good thing to get the story of Pons and Fleischmann correct after more than two decades.

freethinker

+1

Gerrit

I think we manage pretty well without Russ George !

His Planktos business is not running well it seems:

“Soon there will be opportunities to help crowd fund cold fusion… Chip in and be enabled to get your own Palo Alto Garage Style Invention…”

He is the very last person on this planet to ever get a penny from me.

Fibb

My latest LENR/Rossi related comment on the long running LENR thread at theeestory.com.

Rather stunning to see a once-respected science publication descent to sycophantic grovelling before the tarnished APS (‘Merican Physical Soc.)

Roger Bird

What is the APS?

Adam Lepczak

American Physical Education Society.

Gerrit

American Physical Society.

Jenni “Served on the Committee on Informing the Public of the American Physical Society (2013-2015).”

Bob Park was director of public information at the Washington office of the American Physical Society.

The APS are like the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Gerrit

American Physical Society.

(while my other comment is awaiting moderation)

GreenWin

Roger they are like RC Church to Copernicus, Kepler, and Galileo. Political manipulators hellbent on control of knowledge.

Methusela

Don’t bother commenting unless it strongly agrees with her view as your comment will be deleted.

Roger Bird

Actually, I thought that her column was so unimportant that I didn’t even look for a comments section. To reduce important science and engineering discoveries to a single sentence or a small paragraph tells me everything that I need to know about her column.

“Sigh. The E-Cat people are back with the usual big claims of cold fusion. Ethan Siegel at Starts With a Bang once again leads the charge to put those claims in the proper perspective. “If this were an undergrad science experiment, I’d give the kids an F.””

Well now… As usual, clueless. God sighs…

freethinker

Lol :). Was caught in moderation, so I ordered deletion and sent in a slightly simpler version. Sorry all for the duplicity.

I think Gibbs should investigate whether these vociferous and voluminous “sceptics” have any conflict of interests motivating them to be that way.

Shane D.

That is so weird to me. Guess this guy gets his kicks mocking, defaming, and trashing fellow scientists under different pseudonyms.

Can’t help but wonder what he is like in real life… a “Sybil” type maybe?

Roger Bird

fairyyugo

Dixie

It’s not if, it’s not when, it’s soon.

Roger Bird

I am a futurist. I didn’t know that I was a futurist until this afternoon. I didn’t intend to be a futurist. But I know how your grandchildren will live better than those highfalutin futurists who get their pictures on the cover of science magazines and write their own books that geeks and Manhattanites read. Your grandchildren will live in a relatively pollution free world. They will drive pollution free cars whose fuel will be close to free. Their houses will be heated and cooled by LENR devices. Poverty will be close to gone, and those who are still in poverty will more likely be the cause of their own poverty than is now the case.

I know other things about the future, but they have little to do with LENR, so they are for another forum.

Kim

I agree with you for the most part

The children being born into this world today
will have to make a decision.

Be lied to; or claim what is their true
heritage.

We made our decision already. We like the Lie.

Respect
Kim

Zedshort

We like to be told stories that flatter us. I have a litmus test I apply to the things people tell me: That which flatters you most, is most likely wrong.

Roger Bird

Well then, Zedshort, you make really good point in your posts. You are a really smart feller. You are a great lover. And . . . . . .

Barry

Ah kids today… They will have access to information, energy and automation, what are they going to do with it all? As fortunate as they will be these are not the recipe for happiness. More freedom perhaps.

Roger Bird

How many times I have said that, with the Lord Buddha standing next to my shoulder. There will be less misery based upon need, and more misery based upon desires.

Jim Anderson

Assistance is needed now. Reddit has an article and discussion claiming Rossi and all Lenr research is a fraud and a scam. I hope someone besides myself will comment on what’s happening there.

Roger Bird

You have to give us the link.

fortyniner

Whatever it was, it must have been voted down the popularity ratings – all the top articles seem to be positive to one degree or another at the moment.

fortyniner I found the article on Slashdot by going to Slashdot and searching for cold fusion not LENR. I don’t know if it is cross posted or I just made a mistake as to where I saw it.I tried to copy the link but that didn’t seem to work.

Jim Anderson

Roger I also found the article on Slashdot but I don’t know how to do the link. For some reason what I usually to copy a link isn’t working. I found it by going to Slashdot and searching on cold fusion it was one of the first things that was listed.

GreenWin

“…books that geeks and Manhattanites read.”

I’m a part time Manhattanite so I resemble that geek. But a nice vision Roger, I share most of it. Even Manhattanites havaheart!

Redford

“Poverty will be close to gone” By 17th century standards, poverty is already gone. Depending on your take on that consideration, poverty will either be gone, or perception of poverty will have evolved. Which is a good thing, progress wise =)

Roger Bird

Misery caused by a lack of unfulfilled needs will be greatly decreased.
Misery caused by a lack of unfulfilled desires will be greatly increased.

They have 186,028 likes for their whole page and they also twittered the news.

daniel maris

I like this phrase:

“But there’s buzz this week of a cold fusion experiment that has been replicated, twice.”

That’s what we want to see spreading around the world, then we shall surely have an answer to the question that torments us! 🙂

freethinker

Gary Wright has a downloadable PDF full of his flammable and sulfur oozing comments. In that PDF are 2 appendix present, purportedly written by David Bianchini. Anybody know if those are legit? I did not see them in the pre-print at arXiv. Nor seem they to be available from ecat.com.

Roger Bird

I couldn’t get past the free energy bit regarding Steorn. I just won’t go that far. The energy has to come from somewhere.

buffalo

the steorn energy did come from somewhere

Roger Bird

buffalo, bird here. Point me in the right direction.

buffalo

i,l have to use all ten fingers roger,pointed in every direction: ambient heat sir,twas a 2nd law thermo bust.

Roger Bird

I meant give me a link so I can read about this guy.

fortyniner

Their site is at http://www.steorn.com/. ‘Orbo’ (a magnetic motor) was a bit of a bust – they are now focusing on their ‘hephaheat’ system. As this is a commercial enterprise (they sell the devices) it will sink or swim on its merit – just like Rossi’s e-cat.

Alp

The motor was “a bit of a bust”? It was much worse than that. Their own jury said it didn’t work! They spent millions for years and never sold a single one nor a single development kit. They disbanded their user group, and deleted their entire forum from the internet.

Hepaheat is nothing other than a simple (and extremely dangerous) induction heater. It most likely won’t ever be sold.

Sorry but I don’t think Steorn is for real.

fortyniner

“Hepaheat is nothing other than a simple (and extremely dangerous) induction heater.” Yes, that’s what they say it is on the site (not the ‘dangerous’ bit obviously). They seem to have dropped any claims of overunity with the Hephaheat system – it’s just being marketed as an alternative to other types of industrial fluid heating.

Kim

The skeptics and the 4 scientists that performed
and provided the Independent. E-cat report are all headed to the…
OK Corral.

Its inevitable. They have placed their butts
on the line and the sport of it all is just too
great.

They are going to call them out!

Big show down! at OK Corral.

Respect
Kim

Alan DeAngelis

Yeah there’s a lot at stake here. This would vindicate Fleischmann and Pons and confirm the fact that our “best institutions” set LENR back a quarter of a century.

MStone

well said

Barry

well put

Morgan

and they still have a huge pretentiousness about them. I hope they all fall on their swords once F&P are vindicated.

fortyniner

They will simply re-write history to vindicate themselves, and then begin writing LENR research proposals in order to create a new multi-decadal gravy train.

Those that don’t have to be retired early and put in safe accommodation with plastic spoons and soft walls, anyway.

Alan DeAngelis

Yes, it will be a lot like the Henry Eyring story. Henry Eyring was one of the greatest chemists of the 20th-century whose pioneering work was overlooked (Transition state theory of chemical reactions) when Nobel prizes were being handed out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Eyring

Roger Bird

I never met a Mormon that I didn’t like. There is a sweetness about them that is very appealing. Of course, I always avoid theological discussion with them. And the above observations bolster my belief that theology is incredibly unimportant. Child rearing and values are important.

Gerrit

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
– Schopenhauer –

“There are three stages of scientific discovery: first people deny it is true; then they deny it is important; finally they credit the wrong person.”
– Alexander von Humboldt –

If anything went wrong in the scientific assessment of cold fusion, it was the fault of the cold fusion researchers.

AlainCo

this is what Nassim Nicholas taleb explai…
Garage inventor invent things, and mainstream science take the credit and rewrite the history…

daniel maris

Things are still moving in a positive direction I feel.

There are some questions that could only be answered by the scientists wheeling in their own portable generator and using their own cabling.

But all in all I think we can be pleased at the way the Third Party report has held up to criticism.

Good article. I tried to get a photograph of Evelyn Foschi ’cause I am a lustful dirt bag, but I couldn’t find anything. (:->)

Jim Anderson

Roger I found images of Evelyn Foschi by doing a Google search on her name and then clicking on the images link near the top the page. As is usual there are multiple images for Evelyn Foschi. I assumed the Evelyn Foschi in question was the one that showed a young middle aged person in front of a class room of college aged people.

Roger Bird

There were so many responses to “Evelyn Foschi” that I gave up trying to decide which was the real Evelyn Foschi.

Jim Anderson

Roger I found images of Evelyn Foschi by doing a Google search on her name and then clicking on the images link near the top the page. As is usual there are multiple images for Evelyn Foschi. I assumed the Evelyn Foschi in question was the one that showed a young middle aged person in front of a class room of college aged people. I did a quick search of Facebook and there is an Evelyn Foschi listed and one of her friends is Monica Rossi

Bernie Koppenhofer

+1

Sean B

Great to see such a positive reaction in the early MSM coverage. Hope the “secret DC biased trojan current” (Maxwell’s Demon?) doesn’t predominate when the big newspapers run it.

Incidentally, my 9 year old daughter understands the concepts of false readings on the Fluke IR imager I use. Emissivity issues? I think we’re way beyond that, folks.

Dan

Most of the important things we use today were discovered and exploited or invented without any understanding of why or how it worked. Edisonian engineering is a tried and true path to technological progress. Rossi is doing the right thing by not trying to understand the science but simply solving the engineering problems instead. The nay sayers and the “if you can’t explain the science so it must not be real” types are not important.

Kim

Yes I agree

Maybe we should stop civilization until
we can figure out how gravity works.

Respect
Kim

Hampus

Or time for that matter 🙂

freethinker

+1 to the both of you 🙂

Blanco69

Now, there’s a thought. It’s only a matter of time I guess.

Anonymole

I only wish that Rossi would take the same Edisonian approach to public demonstrations. Edison’s inventions were tailor made for public demonstrations and he did perform them. Rossi’s should too if he can and would just quit the subterfuge. I don’t care how it works, I only care that it does work and that its working can be demonstrated in an obvious, clear and undeniable way. Not too much different than Edison’s lightbulb.

Brian

The MFMP folks have offered their preliminary assessment of the Rossi paper.

Interesting comments by Robert Ellefson at that link WRT refuting the hidden DC power hypothesis.

AB

It’s a contentious point. I hope the authors release more info.

Chris I

The link is bum.

http://www.e-catworld.com admin

Thanks Chris — fixed now.

Christopher Calder

Let’s hope that Rossi, Defkalion, and others will end the counterproductive and futile effort to use biofuels, windmills, and solar panels as a replacement for fossil fuels, which is a complete impossibility.

Most people won’t ever accept this technology until they can understand it. Rossi is making the right decision in not giving up more information than necessary for independent trials until he receives a patent, Something Tesla should have done back in the day….. (Thomas Edison = Douchebag)

Visitor

He could easily go now to whatever country he chooses, like USA and Russia, and ask for 3-4 billion $ for revealing the secret to the world.
A picture of Obama ending over a 4 billion $ check to Rossi, can be easily achieved.
Rossi will remain with the glory, Nobel price, written in the history of man kind and very very rich. Nothing less then the gains achieved after patent is granted.
We all know that the patent approval will not really defend him in the entire world and once one country will copy, it will export to others.
receiving now the huge reword, it’s the best next step for Rossi and better then that, for mankind.
As soon as it is open source, the faster it will save lives.

Roger Bird

It is disrespectful to not re-read one’s comments at least once to eliminate spelling and other foolish errors.

Blanco69

Never mind Roger. Once the Nobel price is right, Rossi should get everything he deserves.

Tex-X

it should be “Nobel prize”

GreenWin

Tex-X, the aliens here like to misspell it as a clever backhand comment on materialism.

adam

A patent will protect him in America and Europe (the 2 places that matter). China on the other hand would probably steal his tech but would not be able to sell it in America due to the patent rights. As such with a patent Rossi would still be able to make billions by selling the patent by itself.

Visitor

If the Chinese will sell only the device itself, on which there is no patent, they can sell it also to the Americans. Since everyone will know what are the ingredients to add in order to make it work, they will buy a Chinese home E-CAT kits and power their houses.

It’s the new fire, you can’t protect lighting the new fire with a patent the same as you can’t protect the old one.

Bernie Koppenhofer

It would be very naive to assume China is not testing LENR, they have probably already stolen one of Rossi’s E-Cat’s

Jim Anderson

Bernie,
About a week ago I did a Google search for LENR and tungsten one of the first things that came up was a link to an article by Chinese academics. The article focused on transmutation of tungsten into gold. So there is research going on. Sorry I don’t have the link but it’s clear Chinese research is occurring.

Tex-X

Quite likely the Chinese are working on it.
In the West, there are most likely at least 30 other “under the radar” places searching for the magic formula. Probably another 30 other places in the non-Western countries. Rossi had only two hands and one head – reverse engineering (even without access to the actual device, which nota bene might be useless as providing hints for reverse engineering) is a specialty of many professionals and even commercial enterprises. The effect is known, verified, so only guessing what resources were available to Rossi remains to find out the catalyst. Physical Chemistry, some Nuclear Physics and some Electrical Engineering. Actually, the TRIZ method (the part related to physical effects) might be very useful in this effort. The rat race to one of the patent offices is in full strength.

Roger Bird

Adam, please, don’t hold back, tell us what you really think about Edison.

buffalo

yes i also demand to know why he equated edison to a douchebag.calm me down roger before i get angry at that poster

Roger Bird

buffalo, you are so big, and I am such a little bird. I hope that I can calm you down with this song: Edison defrauded Tesla out of $50,000, which in the 1890’s was real money, like perhaps 10 years wages for most people. This is a fact. Edison was an obnoxious person that snapped at people, including employees. This is a rumor. Do I need to go on? I am certainly no expert on Edison or his douchebaggery.

sempervivum

Yes, Edison also had a penchant for electrocuting elephants and other animals in public to disprove the AC theory. Not a particularly nice man by many accounts.

Roger Bird

“Electrocuting” them, as in KILLING them with electricity.

John Bull

Dear All,

The beauty is that nothing can stop, hide, mute or kill the answer to that question. When, not if. That is the question.