No, I haven't altered my opinion. My posts speak for themselves, and this is the same opinion that I have had for a dozen years. You haven't
actually addressed any points, so I will leave you to either do so, or not.

If you don't think I have addressed any of your points...please point those out and I will address them.

But why is it that you can't answer one simple question...when does an individual human life begin?

I think you unintentionally touched on the real issue though….it’s a power thing for women (some call it penis envy). Thanks for the
insight!

I think that is a lot of what it is.

Women who hate being women...I'm glad I married a woman who loves being a woman and loved creating, carrying, and caring for our children.

I kind of find it funny that some women act like they just can't control their vaginas so it isn't their fault if they get pregnant. Men are
obviously the more sexually charged sex due to testosterone...and yet I have never had a problem controlling my penis and accidentally impregnating
someone. But it seems like some women tend to think they accidentally get pregnant all the time.

I just don't get it...to me it is a maturity and responsibility thing...just because someone may be old doesn't mean they are mature.

Hahaha, men know nothing about what it feels like to be pregnant so their argument is moooooooooooot!

Men are held to a higher standard so stop whining about a little pain!

Men are held to the standards that they set for themselves. Up until and into the1900's men completely subjugated women for their own desires. Women
in history had no right to work, to own or inherit property, to say no to their husbands sexual desires and were basically owned by their fathers or
husbands.

Women were held to higher standard of purity and grace, covering themselves so as not to tempt men. While men were drinking, smoking, gambling and
running off to fight wars that they created, women were at home cleaning and cooking. Their whole lives were supposed to be dedicated to being a
devoted wife and mother.

And yet, you are still to inform me exactly what a man does during the 9 months of pregnancy that contribute to the growth and development of
the unborn.

When your ready

I can tell you what I did for my wife, but with your bitterness towards men...I doubt you would believe it.

I supported her, I cooked for her, I gave her messages, I rubbed her feet, I went with her to all her appointments, I helped her prepare for labor, I
was there with her for labor...I did anything she needed while she was pregnant.

Again, I'm sorry if this seems odd to you...you should pick your partners better if so.

I just find it hilarious that you think men shouldn't "sleep around" if they don't want to take responsibility.

And yet, you are still to inform me exactly what a man does during the 9 months of pregnancy that contribute to the growth and development of
the unborn.

When your ready

I can tell you what I did for my wife, but with your bitterness towards men...I doubt you would believe it.

I supported her, I cooked for her, I gave her messages, I rubbed her feet, I went with her to all her appointments, I helped her prepare for labor, I
was there with her for labor...I did anything she needed while she was pregnant.

So... What did you do that contributed to thegrowth and development of the unborn?

Again, I'm sorry if this seems odd to you...you should pick your partners better if so.

Perhaps you want to answer the question before you start pitying me like you've got some sort of high ground

I just find it hilarious that you think men shouldn't "sleep around" if they don't want to take responsibility.

Why is it hilarious? They have personal responsibility, the state isnt going to raise your abandoned offspring, why should it?

No, I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s simply a power issue for women. Men have the power and women want it. Abortion is a power trip (penis
envy).

Penis envy in Freudian psychoanalysis refers to the theorized reaction of a girl during her psychosexual development to the realization that she
does not have a penis. Freud considered this realization a defining moment in the development of gender and sexual identity for women[1]—the
parallel reaction in boys to the realization that women do not have a penis being castration anxiety. In contemporary culture, the term sometimes
refers inexactly or metaphorically to women who are presumed to wish they were men.

For girls:

Soon after the libidinal shift to the penis, the child develops her first sexual impulses towards her mother.

The girl realizes that she is not physically equipped to have a heterosexual relationship with her mother, since she does not have a penis.

She desires a penis, and the power that it represents. This is described as penis envy.

Originally posted by firemonkey
If you don't think what I did contributed to the growth and development of the unborn, that is fine...you can think that.

I think otherwise, my wife thinks otherwise...and that is all that is important.
But can you tell me what the women specifically and actively does to contribute to the growth and development of the unborn?

She carries the unborn for 9 months in her body, which requires SO much to change from your hormone levels to her hips. A woman's lifestyle is
changed upside down in order to cater to an unborn, a man just cannot understand what that FEELS like. If she stops eating, the baby doesnt eat. If
she gets stressed, the baby gets stressed. You're just not allowed to function as yourself anymore.

Men contribute NOTHING in the first 9 months of pregnancy, that is a fact.

Why is it hilarious? They have personal responsibility, the state isnt going to raise your abandoned offspring, why should
it?

Then women should close their legs to avoid abortions. I'm actually perfectly fine with both sexes being more responsible. But the fact
remains...only women can get away with killing their children.

Contraception fails, abortions are necessary. They will be sought whether legal or not. It matters how society accommodates this need. Banning it out
right will not make it go away.

Men should be punished for knocking up a woman and refusing responsibility by having their testicles cut off. That should be a good deterrent.

No, I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s simply a power issue for women. Men have the power and women want it. Abortion is a power trip (penis
envy).

Penis envy in Freudian psychoanalysis refers to the theorized reaction of a girl during her psychosexual development to the realization that she
does not have a penis. Freud considered this realization a defining moment in the development of gender and sexual identity for women[1]—the
parallel reaction in boys to the realization that women do not have a penis being castration anxiety. In contemporary culture, the term sometimes
refers inexactly or metaphorically to women who are presumed to wish they were men.

For girls:

Soon after the libidinal shift to the penis, the child develops her first sexual impulses towards her mother.

The girl realizes that she is not physically equipped to have a heterosexual relationship with her mother, since she does not have a penis.

She desires a penis, and the power that it represents. This is described as penis envy.

No. Abortion is a woman's issue that has nothing to with the men or penis envy. Because the woman is the one who is charged with carrying a
pregnancy to term, it's the woman's choice to do or not to do this thing.

I think that your emotional disturbance in this issue stems from vagina envy and the fact that women are able bear life and men can't. Men feel
powerless as a result of female resolve, and as a result they manufacture conflicts and act out their frustration by running off to war. If it isn't
war, it's violent sports and video games or shooting animals for fun.

Men get off on killing and always have. Now, some men are all upset that women are embracing their own self defense mechanisms and using birth control
and getting abortions to rid themselves of men's seed. Men are upset that women are claiming the right to flush away their precious and sacred
donation, without their consent or approval.

[Disclaimer: The above generalization of men was just that, a sweeping generalization that only applies where the shoe fits. Apologies to all men
who don't wear those shoes

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