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Thank you for your responses and for viewing the last post on the male results from the past three combines. What an awesome community we have. All of you were super encouraging and enthusiastic about it.

I apologize for not getting this data for the women out sooner. Ladies first, I know…don’t tell my mother. I initially was just looking at the men because I am male and was curious how the men stacked up. Also, there was more male data (more men competed than women) and I usually like more numbers. It’s 1 am and I am still in deep with the data for the women, so this will be an abbreviated summary of their performances for the past 3 combines (LA, Dallas and ATL). Hopefully some of you can read this before you compete today.

Initial thoughts:

WOW! You ladies are amazing.

Strong athletic performances by the women, I love to see where this sport is growing in the female performances

Men typically have solid strength backgrounds due to football/other sports in highschool and college but I think the growth for women (in strength/performance numbers) will out-run the growth for men relative to respective averages. You ladies have so much potential and are just now tapping into it all!

Your relative chances of returning to perform the team workouts on Sunday will be higher (than the men) because there are less women overall. However, you still need to perform well (at or above average) in the events you choose.

Most athletes participated in 7-8 events. Picking events can be tricky. You want to show what you excel in, that should be first priority. Second priority (in my opinion): you want to pick events that you can beat the average, or at least fall in that range. For example: the average 1K row time for the combine was 222 seconds (3 min 42 sec) and the standard deviation was 11 seconds. So if you choose to row, try and get better than the average, or at leastbetter than one standard deviation above average (below in the case of weightlifting events). That would equate to 3 min 53 seconds for ladies.

I hope these numbers are accurate – they will be close. It’s been a whirlwind of numbers, and my data spreadsheet is now too big for me to look at without going cross-eyed. I won’t do a detailed analysis of any one event in this post but if you want the numbers for any one event then get a hold of me via @noelnocas on twitter or nitrostrength.wordpress.com and I would be happy to help.

108 athletes participated in 21 events, 62 made it to Vegas

By the numbers – here is how they did

I have included the averages from all Combine athletes and the averages of athletes that made it to Vegas. All other numbers are just from the combine.

From previous combine post:

The law of large numbers that are normally distributed (basically) states that +/- 68% of the population will fall within 1 standard deviation of the average. It just so happens 68% of the athletes make it to Sunday. Yes this is the NPFL selecting 48 people per combine to come back, and is kind of a happenstance number of sorts. However, I believe that performing within +/- the standard deviation of average for any one event is in your benefit.

So how do you make it to Sunday?

You get selected to perform on Sunday based on your performance. That simple.

I think you can do things to maximize your performance over the course of the combine. Your likelihood of being selected for Sunday is going to be in direct relation to how you perform. Here is what I can offer:

Have fun. You have trained for this, feed off of the energy and let that propel you to PR’s

Smart Choices: Please don’t do 20 events. If you did make it to Sunday who knows how you would feel.

Be true to yourself: Make event choices that showcase your athletic potential and what you can bring to the table.

You may be told that certain events want to be seen more than others. If you perform these you should think highly about how each one will affect the result of the next.

Look at the numbers from other combines, if you think you can perform an event higher than average, or at least within 1 standard deviation below average this will be in your benefit.

Meet new people and develop connections. Ask for advice from other athletes or share a trick you have. Our community thrives on this. Competition is not your enemy.

Becky Conzelman has a great post on here experience from the ATL combine. MUST READ

I hope these numbers help you today, or help you get an idea of where you need to be if you have a goal of going to a combine next year. Like I said in the previous post, you are where this data finds value. Hopefully you can think of some way to look at it to improve your training, your regionals team, or maybe your client/gym programming. If you have any questions or have more ideas on how to look at the data, let me know!

Introduction

First and foremost: Thank you for looking at this. The interwebz is full of tantalizing material, so how you stumbled here is beyond me.

Second, but also foremost: I am an engineer, long winded, failed statistics, and suck at most things excel and grammar. I have a lot to learn and I am slowly building my knowledge base in the areas of strength and fitness. I think you are where this data finds value and is used, or ignored. Either way, the nerd in me enjoys looking at the numbers. A lot of assumptions, references to statistical smart person terminology will probably be wrong. Let me know if I am, but don’t shatter my heart. Please be nice.

Third, and definitely foremost: Use this data however you would like to, but please don’t plagiarize. My name is Noel, nice to meet you, you honest referencing person. MLA referencing is not necessary, but give me a shout out…so I can have at least more than 4 hits/month on my blog.

Name: Noel Nocas

Twitter: @noelnocas

Blog: nitrostrenth.wordpress.com

Contact me with any questions or if you would like a copy of the RAW data and the spread sheets I used.

Actual introduction

The NPFL is this pretty amazing idea to further the sport of fitness. They have done a great job on building it from the ground up and incorporating great sponsors. I won’t babble on, but I am excited about it. All this nerd stuff stemmed because I wanted to know what it took to be an NPFL athlete, or at least competitive at a combine. I wasn’t doing it for myself because I am a total badass and will probably oust Rich Froning in the games, plus be the #1 draft pick in the NPFL next year.

With the onset of the NPFL combines I was really interested in the caliber of athlete it took to be on that stage. What a perfect stage to collect data from – top athletes from around the country giving it everything they had in a 2 day event to see if they can make a career out of this crazy sport. I love it. So I grabbed the data out of initial curiosity, then I figured out I could make graphs and do little function things in excel. I am writing this for people from a few different viewpoints:

– As an athlete performing in or wanting to participate in the combine.

– As a “coach” training athletes that wish to make it into the NPFL, or be competitive on that level

– As a programmer wishing to effectively develop an athlete into NPFL “material”

– As a competitive weightlifter/CrossFit athlete that wants to see where the competition is at

Most everything you’ll need to see is in the first table. I will also draw conclusions on how an athlete needs to perform to make it to the third day of competition. If you are interested specifically in a certain event/stat and this doesn’t cover it then I will gladly share that data with you i.e. if you want to see the average row time for people that snatched over 275lbs. Hopefully you can use this for a future combine, to train an athlete, or to program your training. So here it is.

Disclaimer: I would not make it back to the Sunday workout portion of the combine. I’m pretty average in the sport of weightlifting and CrossFit and definitely could not keep up with these guys.

How to read what I am about to puke forth:

Data is from the MALE participants from the three combines (LA, Dallas, ATL). I will also compare combine athletes to athletes selected to move on to the next stage -“Vegas athletes”. To keep this short, I will do one in-depth analysis on the Snatch event. I have all the same data for the other events, but that would make this document way too long. If you want this data for any other event please don’t hesitate to ask.

A lot of the data I collected is analyzed using basic arithmetic equations. I also will reference Standard Deviation (SD) a lot. Standard deviation is “A measure of the dispersion of a set of data from its mean. The more spread apart the data, the higher the deviation. Standard deviation is calculated as the square root of variance.” – Source

A histogram basically collects data into “bins.” A bin is a range. For example 200 to 225 lbs., or 300 to 320 seconds, etc. In each bin/range there will be a certain number of competitors that performed within that range. i.e. 3 people snatched between 193 and 214lbs. The number of people in that bin is often referred to as frequency. For front squat:

In this case 2 people front squatted between 233lbs and 275lbs.

Most of the Bins you see are based on Standard Deviation. The first bin you will see is the average minus 3 times the Standard Deviation. Bins after that just add the standard deviation.

Got it? Sorry, I’m trying to make it simple.

IMPORTANT: The law of large numbers that are normally distributed states that +/- 68% of the population will fall within 1 standard deviation of the average…important if you want to make it to the third day of the combine.

Because sometimes we have a small data set, we can “normalize” that data and apply it to an imaginary population set of – in this case – 2,000 people. These imaginary people show the exact same trends as the actual data (normal trend using average and SD) but it gives us prettier graphs. It also allows us to compare a population set of 48 with a population set of 140…once again with a prettier graph. It also can give us an idea of what the sport of fitness will look like as it progresses in size.

21 events, 210 athletes

210 athletes participated in three separate combines. They had the option of choosing between 21 events on the first day. Here is how they did.

List of events:

Front Squat – 1RM

Press (strict) – 1RM

Overhead Squat – 1RM

Jerk – 1RM

Deadlift – 1RM

Clean & Jerk – 1RM

Snatch – 1RM

Clean – 1RM

Chest-to-Bar Pull-ups – Max reps in 90 seconds

Handstand Push-ups – Max reps in 90 seconds

Muscle-ups – Max reps in 90 seconds

Box Jumps (30/24″) – Max reps in 60 seconds

Pistols – Max reps in 45 seconds each leg

Double-unders – Max reps in 90 seconds

Rope Climbs – Max reps in 90 seconds

Handstand Walk – Max distance in 60 seconds

Farmer Carry (155/67lbs) – Max distance in 60 seconds

Shuttle Run – Max distance in 60 seconds

The following two stations are timed efforts:

5 Rounds of 12 Power Clean and 6 Push Press (165/105lbs) – 12 min cap

Row 1k

*Athletes will have eight hours to make their way to any/all of the above stations in whatever order they choose.

Event Participation

Here is how the numbers panned out for the number of athletes that participated in each event.

After doing a lot of the calculations and drawing some basic conclusions I was informed that in the [ATL] combine, athletes were informed “what coaches wanted to see on the tests. They didn’t care if you did all the events but they told us they wanted to see specifically front squat, snatch, 1k row, power clean met con, muscle-ups, and I think pull-ups was the other.” -Super secret source.

This explains the high density of athletes that performed these events. This is fine, because it gives me more data to choose from, but it adds a different element to the statistical analysis. I.e. what events are most likely to get you to the second day?

64 Athletes made it to Vegas – Here is the data:

How does that compare to all the combine athletes? As expected, averages are better across the board.

210 athletes competed in an average of 8 events.

Snatch – 1RM

As promised: the snatch data. I am a bit biased here because I like weightlifting. As mentioned above, if you would like the data for other events let me know. If there is enough demand I will put together a larger document/post with all the data.

140 participated in the snatch:

Of those 140 athletes, here are the frequencies divided into small bins:

Here the bins are selected by the standard deviation (SD).

Then I went on to aggregating the data normally over 2,000 “imaginary athletes” with the same average and SD. All it does is gives us a pretty graph if the data trends normally (red – below). The blue graph is the actual data (from the bin above.) This can give some great indicators on competitive athlete strength numbers.

Let’s compare all the combine athletes with just the athletes that made it to Vegas. This is normalized so we could visualize the combine athletes and Vegas athletes 1:1. The benefit of that is we can see if 2000 combine athletes went head to head against 2000 Vegas athletes, what would the numbers look like.

This graph is cool because it shows us that as more and more athletes are selected for future combines, we will most likely see a snatch in the 340+ range (statistically.) It also shows that the stronger weightlifters made it to the next stage, and that the density of strength was much higher in the 250 – 280lb range.

Now what… and some discussion

In my mind all these numbers basically will give baseline strength/performance indicators which can be used as goals for a developing athlete. In addition, I believe they can aid in strategy when performing in a combine – hopefully yielding in an invitation to the third day. We all ask the question “how in shape do I need to be to make regionals, or make the CrossFit games.” Similar to the open/regionals – I am asking the question about what an athlete needs to do to make it to the next stage – without the semi-randomness of the open or regionals clouding the air.

A note on self-selecting data:

“In statistics, sampling bias is a bias in which a sample is collected in such a way that some members of the intended population are less likely to be included than others. It results in a biased sample, a non-random sample [1] of a population (or non-human factors) in which all individuals, or instances, were not equally likely to have been selected.[2] If this is not accounted for, results can be erroneously attributed to the phenomenon under study rather than to the method of sampling.” – WIKI

This data is absolutely a biased sample; it is self-selected and is not a probability sample. This is not a population sample or a “Gallup Poll” style competition. We aren’t pulling people off the street at random here. Individuals are invited or are selectively chosen to participate, and therefore any of the data extruded from competition cannot fall into a probability sampling definition.

For example, let’s take a look at the Boston Marathon. If we were run basic statistical calculations on all the participants of the race and say the average time is X and the standard deviation from the average is Y time, then we can use those numbers to see how an individual performed, or predict how an individual will perform next year…or even the probability that they will perform in the top 10%. The only reason we can run these numbers to predict how you will do in the marathon is because people decided (who knows why) to run the marathon. Similar to the NPFL, people decide to do an event (probably those who are more competent in that area) so we can pull data from it. The NPFL is pulling in the best competitive exercisers from around the country and is doing it in a way where individual performances can be measured discretely and mutually.

Addressing those that did not do the events and how that affects the results:

Why would someone not compete in an event?

1. Other priorities (what the coaches want to see)

2. Weak in that area (less than the Average minus the SD)

3. Injury of some sort.

4. You can’t do all the events.

Let’s take a look at the snatch: 70 athletes chose not to participate. I don’t know why. But we can assume that if they had a top 10% or even an above average snatch, they probably would have done it. Adding in the numbers from the 70 athletes would probably lower the average (slightly) and it is hard to speak to the standard deviation – but I could assume it would be similar (but larger or would not diverge tremendously.)

“Noel, why didn’t you do an analysis on the players that made it to Sunday? Doesn’t this yield all your conclusions on how to make it to Sunday totally useless?”

Frankly this would have been a lot of work. NPFL did not release an official list of those that moved on to Sunday from each combine (to my knowledge.) I would have had to comb through every race summary to get some of the athlete names, but I would have probably missed most the athletes that made it to Sunday. Does this mean the numbers from the first day are “non-factors?”

I would initially agree to this on the surface. But let’s look at the numbers.

UPDATE: My previous edit used basic statistical calculations to place a “probability of reaching the 3rd day of the combine value.” After some input from the community I have chosen to remove that data as it was very misleading. I did not know the numbers of who made it to Sunday, yet still placed a statistical number to them and spoke of them as holding truth. Thank you to those that helped me understand the mistake I made.

Up to 48 male competitors from each combine are invited to the next stage. This represents 144 athletes out of three combines (210 total athletes) and means that 68.6% of the athletes are invited to Sunday. So actually, more of the athletes are invited than not invited to Sunday.

I don’t know who was invited to Sunday out of the 210 athletes. But 68.6% were, and 67% of those athletes competed in the snatch. In comparison only 22% competed in the strict press. Does this mean if you perform the snatch you have a greater chance of making it to Sunday? No it doesn’t. Again, I have not compiled data for those that made it to Sunday (besides Vegas Athletes).

75% of Vegas athletes performed the snatch, 20% performed strict press.

What does this say? I don’t know really. NPFL coaches priorities, athlete priorities, strengths/weaknesses of athletes, etc… Does it mean that performing in strict press event, even near the average, is less likely to earn you a golden ticket for Sunday? No it doesn’t.

Remember, these are STATISTICS. They can be used to draw a hypothesis which can be tested against data. Technically it is illogical and incorrect to say if you press rather than snatch you have a lower likelihood of making it to Sunday. These are skewed because many of the athletes are doing what the coaches wanted to see.

The law of large numbers that are normally distributed (basically) states that +/- 68% of the population will fall within 1 standard deviation of the average. It just so happens 68% of the athletes make it to Sunday. Yes this is the NPFL selecting 48 people per combine to come back, and is kind of a happenstance number of sorts. However, I believe that performing within +/- the standard deviation of average for any one event is in your benefit.

So how do you make it to Sunday?

You get selected to perform on Sunday based on your performance. That simple.

I think you can do things to maximize your performance over the course of the combine. Your likelihood of being selected for Sunday is going to be in direct relation to how you perform. Here is what I can offer:

Have fun. You have trained for this, feed off of the energy and let that propel you to PR’s

Smart Choices: Please don’t do 20 events. If you did make it to Sunday who knows how you would feel.

Be true to yourself: Make event choices that showcase your athletic potential and what you can bring to the table.

You may be told that certain events want to be seen more than others. If you perform these you should think highly about how each one will affect the result of the next.

Look at the numbers from other combines, if you think you can perform an event higher than average, or at least within 1 standard deviation below average this will be in your benefit.

Meet new people and develop connections. Ask for advice from other athletes or share a trick you have. Our community thrives on this. Competition is not your enemy.

SUPER IMPORTANT UPDATE:

Puppy, because you deserve it for reading all of this (and for the ladies):