Thursday, November 19, 2015

After a long shift at the atelier I returned home and turned on the polyseme to catch up on the emerge re the refugee crisis.

#general

"…then we as members of the Commensal have a duty, a moral duty, to help. We've all experienced the wholesales of the refugee family crawling from their burned lander near the shores of the Achelous Sea, the father cradling his dead son as he steps out onto Ganymede. The time to debate is over, and the time to act -"

"Madame Secretary!"

"-the time to act is now. We must -"

The emergent raised his voice. "Madame Secretary! I must object. Before we talk about importing potentially a hundred million refugees, we have to have a serious conversation about whether they can possibly integrate into our culture."

The secretary didn't bother to keep the annoyance from her face. [ translator's note: all references to physical gestures are, at best, illustrative, and – at worst – ficitive ] "You're going to say 'a flood of refugees', aren't you? I, for one find that phrasing offensive. May I remind you that exact sort of language was used just three hundred years ago when the Martian Diaspora brought so many people to us here in the OCC. Are you going to tell the many proud citizens who trace their ancestry to the M.D. that you don't like their kind?"

The emergent shook his virtual head. "It's inane to compare the citizens of the Martian Diaspora to the current refugee crisis. On the Barnes scale the people of the M.D. were almost all type 1 and type 2 ideologues: Nationalists, Trade Unionists, Libertarians, Atheists, Catholics. Non-totalizers, all. The Hitlerite diaspora that threatens to swamp us now -"

"Sir, I find that offensive. This is not a Hitlerite issue. This is an inner system issue. These people aren't coming here to attack us, they're coming here because they're fleeing war."

"Madame secretary I agree, they're fleeing war – a war that the Hitlerites themselves have caused".

The Secretary took a long breath. "I utterly reject that sort of bigotry. To call this a Hitlerite issue is to blame the victims. The problem is not Hitlerism – it's a small evil group of people who are twisting the words – the beautiful words of an ancient faith – to their own destructive ends."\

Clark's posts generally upset "the community" over at Popehat. He has some very funny material from 2 years ago on the US Federal Government shutdown which if you get the chance is a good read.

Popehat really is quite the paradox to me. Its supposed to be a "Free Speech" blog which happens to be populated by a large quantity of leftist. The moment a post or a comment comes across that violates their delicate sensibilities they point and shriek, denounce the bad think, and then the inevitable appeals to authority to remove or restrict the material comes.

Well, in other news, I think the people I know on FB don't like it when I describe Middle Eastern Muslims as being "adherents of a hostile and alien ideology that is not only incompatible with Western Civilization in every sense of the word, but who also aren't particularly tolerant of the kind of people that liberals want us to tolerate."

Most of my family is very conservative (my aunt and uncle are big Trump fans), but a lot of the people I went to high school with are at least mildly liberal. So when I see a Jewish friend whose family came here from the USSR after the wall fell saying that America should do for the Syrians what it did for his people, I responded with "Sam, your people weren't fleeing other Jews, and I don't remember Jews having a penchant for suicide bombing, honor killing, FGM and murdering people who insult their faith. Whereas 33% of Syrian refugees are ISIS sympathizers. So maybe bringing the people whose religion teaches them to kill your people here isn't a good idea."

I'll take a stab and apply SJW Rule 3 "SJW always project." Now you know that the Racial Theorists amongst the SJW are always telling us millions upon millions of "Whites" that we are basically all just going to freaking die out, and be less wanted than a living fetus at PP.

I think I have found out the real unwanted whites, reading that stupid shit over at PH's thread it is basically white Kostards trying to be relevant on the Left.

Many are arguing, essentially, "we (the west) did lots of bad things to Muslims throughout history (Muslims are always reactive, never proactive, its a wonder how they ended up conquering so much territory considering that they are such pacifists) and therefore if some of them are violent it is our fault."

To which my reply is, so what?

The premise of your own argument is that some percentage are going to be violent.

I am immensely and magnificently indifferent to the reasons for their violence. I just want to be able to enjoy my croissant and latte before repairing to the Musee d'Orsay for the morning without fear of being shot to death or blown up.

Leftists are the ones always nattering on about safe spaces. How about working on providing one so that little children don't fret about having to leave their homes so that the mean, mean people with guns won't shoot them?

And, doesn't the assumption that Muslims (as a group) never did anything bad ever unless it was an unfortunate reaction to Christian aggression imply that Muslims have no moral agency whatsoever and that therefore are at best children who need looking after and at worst not truly human?

And, doesn't the assumption that Muslims (as a group) never did anything bad ever unless it was an unfortunate reaction to Christian aggression imply that Muslims have no moral agency whatsoever and that therefore are at best children who need looking after and at worst not truly human?

And to think those silly Christians just never learned. Why they must have continued to provoke those poor mild mannered muslims from Saudi Arabia right up to the gates of Vienna!

So let me summarize, Muslims have been mistreated by the West, especially for the last hundred years or so, and therefore are totally justified in using violence to strike back at the aggressors, therefore we should allow large numbers of them to reside in the West even though we know that some percentage of them are going to be violent.

Especially liked the comment that everyone of importance agreed that the refugees were going to be let in and that the refugees would be let in.

The commenter might be correct about that, for now. But considering that a great number of the "important" people live in D.C. and N.Y. and even the liberals there seem to be trying to signal POTUS to take this seriously and that the Electoral College votes of the states whose governors have stated that they don't want to accept these refugees is 315 I don't think that the current political state is going to hold much longer.

"It is also perhaps worth mentioning that the cited document claims that 38% of Muslims surveyed claim that suicide bombing/terrorism is justified 'at least rarely' – which is both hardly 'support' for terrorism, and not entirely different to what you might hear from a typical crowd from any OTHER group of people.

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Erm, does he understand what support for terrorism actually means? Generally supporting a suicide bomber "rarely" is still a bad thing.

Lets play the game though and delve into when it's OK to suicide bomb... perhaps when someone draws a mean cartoon? When someone calls you a bad name? When someone calls the Prophet a pedo?

Can we round these people up and send them to their chosen country of choice in the middle east (except for Isreal). Let them experience tolerance first hand...

The one good thing about the collapse of Europe will be these idiots are also ground under the boot (assuming they do not line up in droves to convert to the religion of peace).

Do those idiots understand how many people constitute 1% of 1% of 1.6 billion? I wonder how many of them would be willing to personally sponsor a family of refugees, take them into their homes and sign a declaration accepting all legal and financial responsibility for any acts they may commit against Americans in the future.

a small evil group of people who are twisting the words – the beautiful words of an ancient faith

1. Bullshit. And your great grandfather would have bitch slapped you for your stupidity and perpetual childishness and purposeful obtuseness and lies in your attempt to play mommy-savior in a "crisis" that has been purposefully created.

2. It doesn't matter one whit if the Muzzies have killed billions or absolutely no one.They didn't build the West, are not the West, and cannot reside in the West. Period. Nor can Central and South Americans.Time for a full pendulum swing, not a partial one. Damn the Globalist Elites and their slut-whore politicians to Hell. America First.

So VD, I'll take your word for it on Reconquista v.2.0... I list myself as a big skeptic though, considering the demographic realities. Just saying...

But now what do we call it in America? How about U.S. Civil War II? I like the Roman numeral thing because it gives it that epic gladiator feel. This is America after all, ya know? And considering that TN just called up the National Guard to combat "refugees" I'd say the cold Civil War between the US citizenry and the Federal Government has now officially gone to a hot war as there is no way violence between the two is avoided is the Washington DC regime is at all serious about resettling the Land of the Free.

Good to know that our descendants aren't so smart after all. If you are reading this in the future in your asteroid cities and flying colonies in Jovian atmosphere know this - you maybe more intelligent but stupidity is constant. It cannot be removed from the society. It may actually increase in proportion to the growth of intelligence. So you may actually be stupider than us. Hitlerites will get you sooner or later.

Back to the present: story was OK, but comments were more enlightening.

The migrating Muslims are facilitating the creation of Greater Israel, a Jewish state from the Nile to the Euphrates. As a Chrstian Zionist friend told me, "Well, if it's God's will then we just have to accept it (the Muslim invasion)."

They will not be more intelligent. Rapid access to vast amounts of information confers neither intelligence nor wisdom. I expect cherry picking to conquer strawmen will remain a popular pastime in perpetuity.

They will be probably more intelligent as in having more capabilities to store, process information and recognize its patterns (if, of course human race survives in more or less recognizable form). However wisdom - as in use of such information to create useful knowledge and apply it to achieve intended goal without much negative consequences - this may be another matter.

I agree that we will develop systems with more capabilities to store, analyze and process information for us, but, given that the species is already careening toward a survival of the fitless evolutionary model at an exponentially increasing delta, that will only exacerbate the dumbing down problem.

Hilarious butthurt in the comments over there. Pointing and spluttering galore. Pompous denunciations by the wagonload. Frantic nitpicking of the precise percentage of moon worshippers who openly admit to supporting ISIS, suicide attacks on civilians, etc (IT'S NOT 30%! IT'S ONLY 25%!). All in all a rich harvest of tears; A+ trolling from Clark

It's so easy, I learned it just by being mistaken, and then someone conceded the point by correcting me on a particular. All you have to do is get lazier and you can set those traps by accident. Not even kidding.

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