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Monday, April 21, 2014

A space of their own

I find the contrast between the female writer's reactions to the exact same concept being expressed by a man and a woman to be fascinating:

“You can have equality in all sorts of professional areas but I don’t see any reason why there shouldn’t be all-male clubs or all-female clubs if you want them. They’re just places you go to to enjoy yourself.”

Perhaps there is something in that. Kylie O’Brien, The Telegraph’s Weekend Editor, who is a member of women’s-only The University Women's Club, tells me: “I have to say, not having men around is really relaxing. It’s nice to be with your own kind. It’s rather warm and welcoming. I think that’s how men feel together. There’s a kind of sympathy together. I think it’s a good thing.”

She thinks it makes sense for men and women to have their own space, and cannot “see what prize there is for women to be gained” in becoming members at gentlemen’s clubs. In that respect, she agrees with Mr X and co, but when I tell her what they think about women’s “shrill voices” and the “slippery slope”, she replies tartly: “Well, if that’s how men really feel, they’re better off on their own.” Hear hear.

What men need to do is simply echo the female justifications for their own single-sex spaces. "It's really relaxing. It's rather warm and welcoming. It's nice to be with your own kind."

And if that isn't enough to get them to stop violating the male sanctums, then black-knight the hell out of them and invade women's shelters, women's gyms, and everything from girls' volleyball teams to scholarship programs.

It's really not that hard to understand why men sometimes don't want women around. Men can't relax around women and women usually attempt to make unwanted changes in any organization they join. Women should respect that, just as men should respect the female desire to keep men out of their bathrooms, locker rooms, and social clubs.

37 comments:

Heh, yes, she's fine with men having a space of their own as long as she thinks they're being all warm and welcoming and having the right kind of feelings about it. But when she realizes that they might sit around feeling good about the lack of women, she's not so happy.

Being a modern woman, she's probably never really been excluded from anything. So when she imagines a male-only space, it's only theoretical to her, and as long as it's "warm and welcoming," her unconscious assumption is that they'd let her in if she ever really wanted in. That's what "welcoming" means, right? So she'll let them have that as long as they have the right attitude about it. But change the picture to one where the men actually don't want women there and would resist letting her in, and it's totally different.

what prize there is for women to be gained” in becoming members at gentlemen’s clubs

Where I live, "gentleman's club" is a polite euphemism for, "place where women take off their cloths and prance around or display themselves on a pole for the benefit of men, generally with AC/DC's Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap playing". Barring women from such venues would reduce the appeal for men.

yeeeeeeeees. black knighting. more apropos than one might imagine at first glance, and in all seriousness the only way to go ahead and cut down the rabble, savages, the white knight weaklings, and the harpy she-males standing in our way to reclaiming and reestablishing civilization. It's a metaphor that works on more levels than one might think.

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands,hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

Who shall I credit for the expression 'black knighting' or 'black knight' in terms of Game and inter-gender realtions? Vox?

She is not stupid. She knows that "all-female clubs" will be invaded by the transgendered. "All-Female" means exactly that and it is discrimination to those men who feel they are women. This has already happened in our schools. The first line of defense is no more. This is happen in greater frequency later and soon "all female" is no more.

I keep on saying that a woman's primary vice is envy. This is why women want to get into the men's clubs. It has nothing to do with equality or prejudice or any of that nonsense. The feminist movement is literally the politicization of female envy.

I think that to women there's a difference between hearing "I want a place to hang out with my mates and chill" and "I want a place where those rassafrassin women can't bother me!" And I think from a solipsism point of view it makes sense - a place that relaxes your man and connects him to other men who might share skills and/or resources with him helps her. Bonus points if this group demonstrates/boosts his status in some way. A place where he's going to be sitting around complaining about the ol' ball in chain doesn't help her.

Reminds me of women I know complaining about getting stared at when they are the gym, and the thought that I have is I'm really glad I joined an elite style gym that has no machines or cardio equipment because there is almost never a woman there to distract us from actually lifting. Female only gyms make sense to me, but male only gyms even more so for how distracting and annoying women are to be around when trying to focus.

Wasn't that Eve's downfall? Envious that others knew the difference between good and evil? Envious that she wasn't like God?

No. Her downfall was that she used the wrong standard (i.e. not God's) for evaluating a course of action.

The standard she used was as follows: ".. the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom..."

Of themselves these are not bad standards, but she applied them to an object that God had declared forbidden, and God's prohibition should have been her first consideration, after which none of the other criteria should have mattered.

Yes, they are too busy bitching about other women. Case in point: the women in my family are bitching to each other about an in law interloper woman who got knocked up by a male relative then married him.

Two women walk into a room wearing the same dress: "Who's that bitch?"

I don't know about the other men here, but never, ever, in ANY men's forum or gathering, do we spend any time at all talking about our wives. Church groups? Never.School groups? Never.Buddies from work? Never.Backpacking/shooting buddies? Never.Triathlon training groups? Never.

The only time spent talking about our wives is a family gatherings, and when men come over specifically to ask for advice about their marriage.

I am a woman and I agree, women do sit around with other women complaining about the men in their lives. If it's bad, it can consist up to 90% of the entire interaction. Men seem to complain less about women, and if they do it's only in spurts. Like venting for a few moments then moving onto another subject. I also believe men speak more highly of women than women do of men.

It all comes down to what we don't understand or care to learn about the othe gender.