Looking forward to watching him play. If he fills NT for a couple years it's all worth it. That's the position on defense that makes all the difference but gets no glory in 3-4. The guys looks like he's hungry and has game but the tale will tell itself as it always does come showtime.

Certainly rooting for him.

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Thank you Detoxing, that's the kind of point I was trying to make out of my questions. I havn't fealt like they've played good enough especially on passing downs. This year they best be getting at the QB. Poes job is collaps the inside, but he is too young & wet behind the ears to get his technique down to be that effective for his first year so we got to count on Dorsey & T Jack to really get after the QB. We should be constructive critisism for there play on the field imo & not just say that's good enough, it's not.

Exactly. It's not good enough. I'm not saying they are bad players, but they have to step it up in passing situations. Their lack of production is too much for the rest of the team to overcome, and Poe isn't going to do them any favors, at least not in his first year or two. There isn't a NT on the planet that will help Dorsey and Jackson win 1vs1. They have to do it themselves, and to this point, neither have shown that they can.

We're not asking for the world here. Something like 4-5 sacks each. We need them to produce that if this D is going to take the next step forward.

The problem with CP's members is that "They just have to clog the lanes" has been beaten into so many people's heads.

It's PART of their job, not their only job.

Even if Houston picks up where he left off and Hali continues to be Hali, it won't be enough to make this defense Elite. Not until those two step it up.

To me it's so what if you can stop the run? Can you stop the pass on first, second or third downs? Cus teams are passing on all the downs and the offences have it easy with the rules so DBs are having to lay off the WRs so it's a must to be able to attack the QB from the D line.

But that still doesn't mean he wasn't a shitty pick at 11th overall. I'm not even talking about reaching and position value. I'm talking about the concept of taking a guy that high who needs to COMPLETELY transform the way he plays the position.

And if that wasn't bad enough, he doesn't even flash the little stuff that you look for in potential stars. He doesn't have any explosion at all. He's slow off the snap and gets beaten off the ball 99% of the time. He doesn't exactly play with a motor. The number of plays in his highlight reels that I've seen where he really impresses me can be counted on both hands. And I'm INCLUDING the snaps where he doesn't make the play. I'm talking about instances where he gets leverage against a double team, or makes the correct gap read, or just plain athletically dominates the weaker competition (he has only a few of those plays).

He's got unbelievable work ethic, discipline, he's got great coaching here in Kansas City, and he's in a good environment in a scheme that supposedly plays to his strengths. Let's hope those things are enough to correct the glaring weaknesses of his.

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There is a lot of cause to be concerned about the pass rush. They were tied for 3rd worst in the league last season.

Dorsey and Jackson combined for a whopping ONE sack the ENTIRE season. That is pathetic.

So lets go with what you've dreamed up though.

Hali continues to be Hali and gets 12-14 Sacks.

Houston Continue where he left off and get 8-10 Sacks.

Dorsey and Jackson continue Being Dorsey and Jackson: 1 Sack

The DB's rushing the QB thing is a bit of a reach, but we'll go with it.

Arenas: 2 Sacks

Berry: 2 Sacks

Now lets say we get about 10 sacks from everywhere else (which is what we got last year) : That would put us at 34 Sacks on the season.

We will have improved from 29th int the league to about 20th.

Not good enough.

BUT

If Dorsey and Jackson do what a good 34 DE would do...Produce 4-5 Sacks each on the season, then we'd be top 10.

Or....close to Elite.

Point?

Dorsey and Jackson producing a combined 1 sack per season isn't going to cut it.

But, if Dorsey and Jackson aren't in on passing downs so how are they going to get sacks then? Point, without knowing exactly what they are being asked to actually do, how can you say they need to improve?

Jackson and Dorsey are there to enable others to make plays. Odd that after their improved play, we're talking about how DJ, Hali, and now Houston are making plays. The problem is that its still not enough because the Chiefs are not a big blitzing defense, and rely on just a couple of guys to essentially be their pass rush (hell you could almost argue one guy and amazingly its actually worked decently). I personally would like to see them get more aggressive, and I think that is actually the next step that needs to be taken. We'll see how things turn out obviously, but I think Jackson and Dorsey were told deliberately not to be super aggressive and get after the QB.