Scope a Mosin Nagant

ok, so i now on a Mosin Nagant. I think it would be fun to have a scope on it.

any thoughts on:

should i?
how do i?
what parts and pieces would you recommend?

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Duke of Doubt

February 16, 2009, 10:38 PM

If you must put a scope on it, use a scout mount which does not permanently disfigure the receiver, barrel or stock, or any other original part.

If you want a target rifle or a hunting rifle, buy a target rifle or a hunting rifle. Mosins are collectible, eminently accurate shootable vintage military antiques. You wouldn't "improve" a Rembrandt etching by colorizing it, would you?

rshackleford

February 16, 2009, 10:42 PM

you are correct.

i do not want to permanently alter the rifle.

my eyes aren't that great, i thought it would be fun to get a little farther out than 200 yards. also, if i were to hunt with it i would like to have a more accurate kill and avoid the gut shot.

i am not trying to create a sniper rifle either.

what is a scout mount.

TIMC

February 16, 2009, 10:46 PM

I say go for it! Do what you want to it and who cares what anyone else thinks. I put a replica PU scope on mine then just for grins I refinished the stock, threadded the barrel and installed a Krinkov muzzle brake. I have a really fun rifle now that is deadly accurate out to 200+ yards. The best part is I now have a rifle I like which is much better then trying to make a rifle someone else likes.

I have 2 M-39's with scout-style scope set (scope forward the receiver, above the rear sight). The field of view is too small for my liking as opposed to regular scope set up with the same magnification. I am also thinking of getting a PU set-up (like TIMC's) but also considering Rocksolid Mosin mount. As to altering your rifle, you don't have to. Just get another one to alter.

jpwilly

February 17, 2009, 12:08 AM

IMO there are two ways. A PU mount:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/M91-30PU002.jpg

or a scout mount:

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/ScoutPaint007.jpg

I'd not mess with the ATI drill and tap...

WardenWolf

February 17, 2009, 12:11 AM

The scout mount requires a special long eye relief scope. I'm not a fan of either setup, truth be told. A while back, I passed up a Mosin Nagant with a tapped receiver, turned down bolt handle (actually cut and a new one bolted on), and a center-mounted Simmons scope. It had a nice barrel. They wanted $200. I was a bit tempted, since I was sure it would shoot well, but I passed. I refuse to support Bubbification in any way.

jpwilly

February 17, 2009, 12:21 AM

The scout mount requires a special long eye relief scope.

Yip, they're actually pretty nice. On the lower power setting I can shoot with both eyes open. It can be a big advantage for close in moving game. The one on my rifle is the NcStar 2-7x32mm IR and its held up just fine so far and only $54. The rifle's only been 4moa with surplus and hunting ammo though but it's incredibly fun to shoot!

WardenWolf

February 17, 2009, 12:26 AM

I'd strongly would recommend against NCStar, still. They have a very bad reputation for a reason.

jpwilly

February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM

I'm not saying your wrong but if you want to digress into this is better than that go for it. There are plenty of $200 Long eye relief scopes to pick from. Again, this ones working fine after a couple hundred rounds. You can spend your money how you like. I figure if somebody (my self included) is modifying a Nagant...the budget isn't big.

wnycollector

February 17, 2009, 07:15 PM

The one on my rifle is the NcStar 2-7x32mm IR and its held up just fine so far

I just finished off a 300 round tin of bulgarian heavy ball with my NcStar 2x7 long eye relief scout scope. No problems what so ever with it loosing zero. With Hungarian FMJBT 147gr ammo it is between 2.5-3". With Privi/wolf the groups shrink down to 2-2.5".

alemonkey

February 17, 2009, 08:27 PM

If you don't want a long eye relief scope there are some good mounts out there.

If you don't mind drilling & tapping and are going to put the time in to build a nice sporter, buy a Rock Solid mount. Best there is:

http://www.rocksolidind.com/Mosin%20Nagant.html

If you don't want to make permanent mods, this looks like a nice solution:

www.AdvancedRifleParts.com

Of course, if you use either of these mounts you'll need a bent bolt handle. The Boltman is the best, very high quality work.

http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/boltman/bolt_work/

doctorxring

February 17, 2009, 08:54 PM

.

PE version of Russian M91/30 sniper rifle. (repro)

Lot's of fun and very accurate.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/doctorxring/PE-sniper.jpg

snakeman

February 17, 2009, 09:04 PM

replace the rear sight with a rail style mount from combathunting.com they are reasonably priced and the products are good. As for mosins as collectors...not too sure about that as they are so so very numerous. don't be afraid to modify it to fit your own needs and wants it's your gun do with it what you will

FlyinBryan

February 17, 2009, 10:22 PM

If you must put a scope on it, use a scout mount which does not permanently disfigure the receiver, barrel or stock, or any other original part.

If you want a target rifle or a hunting rifle, buy a target rifle or a hunting rifle. Mosins are collectible, eminently accurate shootable vintage military antiques. You wouldn't "improve" a Rembrandt etching by colorizing it, would you?

folks would probably rembrandts for welcome mats, drop cloths, and fender aprons for working on their chevy's if there were 50,000,000 of them.

i would say if you want to scope it, scope it. if you dont like it, save up another $69.99 and buy another one.

Torghn

February 17, 2009, 10:56 PM

If you must put a scope on it, use a scout mount which does not permanently disfigure the receiver, barrel or stock, or any other original part.

If you want a target rifle or a hunting rifle, buy a target rifle or a hunting rifle. Mosins are collectible, eminently accurate shootable vintage military antiques. You wouldn't "improve" a Rembrandt etching by colorizing it, would you?

Yes I would. Personally I think Rembrandt's art isn't very good. If YOU want too keep some Mosin Nagants in original configuration for your collection, by all means go for it. For me and my stuff I'll do as I please. Most people don't buy Nagants for an investment.

WardenWolf

February 17, 2009, 10:58 PM

Only thing I did to my Mosin Nagant, or will do, is replace the steel buttplate with a rubber compression pad designed specifically for the Mosin Nagant, that uses the original screws. No permanent modification to the rifle was made, but it's no longer a shoulder breaker.

Franco2shoot

February 18, 2009, 08:05 AM

It's no Rembrandt.... there were over 50 million produced..

ATI makes a very nice mount.. requires two screw holes drilled and tapped, If you google ATI I'm sure it will come up... I bought my 91/30 already with the rail and holes drilled. Payed 89 bucks.. Then went to Wallyworld and got a scope that was almost twice what I paid for the rifle.. I spent the next 6 weeks cleaning the barrel, the rifle'ing was fairly sharp. When all was said and done, (I even refinished the stock - Shockkkkkkk to those collectors) but I now have a 1 MOA shooter that is something that I LIKE and all for under 3 bills.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=82719&d=1218126768

You own it... make it fit your desires, and enjoy..

KKKKFL

FlyinBryan

February 18, 2009, 12:41 PM

very nice franco.

helz_mcfugly

February 19, 2009, 05:18 PM

I took the rear sight off mine and that leaves a 22 rail so I stuck a 4X pistol scope on that and it increases its already accuracy by 4X. ha

joop

February 19, 2009, 05:28 PM

Mike, where did you find that? I can't seem to find anything like that.

rshackleford

February 19, 2009, 05:29 PM

this thing doesn't kick! of course i had a carhartt hood shirt, carhartt vest, and carhartt chore coat on, maybe that had something to do with it.

I have since added a shell holder on the butt, recoil pad, and swivel mount bipod.

rshackleford

February 19, 2009, 06:49 PM

Flea:

who makes all the stuff you have on there?

Flea

February 19, 2009, 07:11 PM

The scope is a KonusPro, the mount is from I think Overstock.com (it's a simple replacement for the rear sight), the recoil pad was a gift from my wife for Christmas -- I think CheaperThanDirt. Shell holder was a $10 Uncle Mike's job, and the bipod was a Wal-Mart special (I had to buy the swivel mount and drill the stock for it).

mcdonl

February 19, 2009, 08:40 PM

Here is mine...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/mcdonl/GUNS/DSCF1746.jpg

Just got it yesterday... shot it for the first time today!

Leroy

helz_mcfugly

February 20, 2009, 05:50 PM

here is mine. looks like me and mcdonl shop at the same store
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92368&stc=1&d=1233982776
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92370&stc=1&d=1233982801

Flea

February 20, 2009, 06:05 PM

Here's an update shot as of this evening:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/fleasf-150eatshondas/FinishedSide.jpg

Mike U.

February 20, 2009, 07:48 PM

Puh-leaze! Enough with the "keep it original, Bubbafying is a sin" talk already. Jeesh...:rolleyes:
I have two M-44's. One is original, one is drilled, tapped and scope mounted. :what:
Who's business is it?:scrutiny:
Not a damn soul.:evil:
My rifles, my decision as to what I do with them.:p
Same goes for every person who owns a M-N or any firearm. You wanna keep it original, fine. You wanna "Bubba" it, fine.
It's your property, do with it as you please.

(And, they all lived happily ever after...:) )

helz_mcfugly

February 21, 2009, 12:30 AM

Mike U. is hitting nails on heads. Pound Mike pound. he11 I might put fins on the backs of 6 MN's and stick that spike on them, paint 3 red and 3 blue, and play Mosan nagant lawn darts, lol

Flea

February 21, 2009, 12:43 AM

They're too damn cheap to be of significant historical value. I passed on a pristine 1917 Remington hex Mosin-Nagant because I wasn't sure I could get the $250 back out of it.

But first. Mike U... I agree. Once I own a gun, I can do what ever the hell I want with it. As it were, I bought that gun in that condition. And, I want to buy another so I can put the original stock, and rear sight on this particular gun. I will then put the ATI stock, scope and a bi-pod on the replacement.

I want to do this becaust the MN in the picture above was one from the French arsenal, and one of the first made. So, *MY* choice is to put this gun back to as close to original as possible, and to get a shorter, more bubbafied gun for bringing in the woods.

I also just bought a Nagant revolver, 'cause they were only $79!

Leroy

helz_mcfugly

February 21, 2009, 10:22 AM

no sh1t? where did you get a nagnt pistol? you know thats one of the only revolvers you can put a silencer on. the chamber closes up over the barrel. I WANT ONE.

helz_mcfugly

February 21, 2009, 10:42 AM

Flea, what kind of scope is that? does it have a 12" to 16" eye reliefe

mcdonl

February 21, 2009, 11:40 AM

Helz.... www.aimsurplus.com - good folks... they are two weeks behind, but it give you extra time to research the ammo....

Here is what I have learned:

The gun, with original cylinder shoots the 7.62 NAGANT... designed for this... is stated to shoot the .32 S&W Long, and the .32 H&R although I have heard more negatives about the accuracy of the .32 H&R - Also, because it is not a "perfect" fit, more then normal cleaning is required. But, .32 S&W Long is a LOT cheaper then the 7.62 NAGANT rounds.

Also, for the same price as the gun, you can get a .32 ACP cylinder. I will not do that, as I can buy a .32 ACP revolver to shoot that little round for around $200, so why take a piece of history and change it... just my opinion... and I would rather buy ammo then parts!

Leroy

Flea

February 21, 2009, 12:20 PM

helz, that is the new scope I have on it. The Konus, I bought used, and the adjustments were pretty chewed up for some reason. After they froze, I bought an AIM scope from (I think) CheaperThanDirt. it's got a good 10-12" of relief, and is perfect for a M-N scout mount.

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