...It also says that all other whiskey he marketed up until that time was primarily Stitzel Weller stock...

All and primarily -- I guess Murray covered himself there, didn't he?
Yes, Julian has bottled much Stitzel-Weller. The original, green-bottle Pappy 23 from Lawrenceburg wasn't among it. (By the way, that from Julian's own mouth.) It is a rye-recipe bourbon.

It seems that the people that publish Mr. Murrays books are not very good proof readers. Everyone of his books have contained misspellings and even mispronunciations. In one book, it even called the brand Old Fitzgerald "Old Fitzpatrick". Another funny thing in this book that had the info about the Boone whiskey is the caption about Old Rip Van Winkle 15/107. It says that this brand is the only wheated bourbon sold by IDV to an outside company. It also says that due to a new marketing strategy within the company, the days of this whiskey under this label may be numbered. I guess the Old Rip 15 brand and the current Pappy 15 won out as they are still S-W wheated whiskey. As Tim stated earlier, the 1st issue of Pappy 23 was a rye recipe bourbon, that is what made me wonder if the Boone whiskey was what was used for that bottling as it was also rye recipe bourbon. Oh well, it make for interesting discussion!

My recollection of numerous conversations with Julian regarding the provenance of his whiskies are as follows:

When I bought a Van Winkle 17yo made for the Japanese market at the auction, Julian said it was Boone whiskey, the same stuff as his first Pappy 20, only younger (of course).

The first Pappy 23 was not SW or Boone....and Julian isn't inclined to disclose its source.

Many of Julians other early bottlings are SW......the 14yo and 16yo VWFR is SW (and are some of his favorites).

As Tim said, lots of custom bottlings are also SW whiskey and continue to be. The Blue Smoke and the Berghoff bottlings could be added to Tim's list. SB members have bought various botllings of SW too. SW stuff you're likely to find on a shelf are the current Pappys. There is the occasional 15/107 which is SW and the even harder to find 10/107 from Lawrenceburg.

Medley used to produce Rittenhouse and I suspect the ORVW ryes are Medley Rittenhouse well-aged. Currently Rittenhouse rye is a Heaven Hill product and the oldest available is but 6 years old, so it is hard to compare the Medley and HH versions.

Circa mid-80's Rittenhouse is hard to find; that was Medley but I have never (that I recall) seen a dusty shelf report here (Doug, maybe?).

And what about Kentucky Tavern, it used to be a wheater and may have contained SW between 91-96 as it was bought from Glenmore in owensboro and UDV switched it to its wheat recipe then(it was a blended before)

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And what about Kentucky Tavern, it used to be a wheater and may have contained SW between 91-96 as it was bought from Glenmore in owensboro and UDV switched it to its wheat recipe then(it was a blended before)

Back in the day, certainly while Glenmore existed as an independent entity, pre-1992, Kentucky Tavern was a rye-recipe bourbon, and a good one. After Guinness bought Glenmore and merged it with Schenley (which owned SW at the time) to form UDV, KT went through a lot of iterations, which probably varied by market. It was a wheater, it was "Kentucky Whiskey," it was a blend, etc. At that point, I don't think UDV cared what they put in the KT bottle.

A lot of this discussion has focused on 'dusties,' but so far as products in current distribution are concerned, only the Van Winkle Family Reserve and Pappy bottlings are Stitzel-Weller whiskey.

rittenhouse

Originally Posted by Gillman

His ORVW 12 and 13 year old ryes may be from Medley, Owensboro.

Medley used to produce Rittenhouse and I suspect the ORVW ryes are Medley Rittenhouse well-aged. Currently Rittenhouse rye is a Heaven Hill product and the oldest available is but 6 years old, so it is hard to compare the Medley and HH versions.

Circa mid-80's Rittenhouse is hard to find; that was Medley but I have never (that I recall) seen a dusty shelf report here (Doug, maybe?).

Gary

Gary,

I've never found a Rittenhouse (medley or HH) on the shelf in California. Doesn't mean they weren't here...Ed ledger gave me an old BIN (Beverage Industry News) book from 1975, I'll check it when I get home tonight and see what was around back then. Maybe Roger or Tim or Christian can comment to their hunting experiences.

Also...Timothy, you mentioned the older version of Rittenhouse is around here and there, if you, or anyone else has or knows where one is, I'd be interested in a bottle of that.

Was there one on the Gazebo table last fall? I don't remember...

Doug

And Thanks everyone for the information on this thread, I've gathered it up and put it on a word doc...Good information on SW for future reference.