Bishop Paul Tan menyelar Hasan Ali sekali lagi

“Hasan Ali is in a man in search of a justification for his vaulting ambition – the classic recipe for the making of a charlatan,” opined the bishop. Hasan, the former PAS chief of Selangor and member of the state executive council, had been raising the alarm over Christian proselytisation of Muslims since controversy broke out over a fundraising dinner held at the Damansara Utama Methodist Centre a year ago.

“A retiree has been ordered by a High Court here to pay a total of RM100,000 in damages and costs to a private automotive technology training centre where his son had studied over three defamatory postings on Facebook.”

“GEORGE TOWN: It looks like the embarrassment caused by the publication of 51 pictures of Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng in the May edition of the state government’s official newsletter, Buletin Mutiara, has not deterred its editorial team from continuing to glorify the DAP politician.

The latest issue of the publicly-funded newsletter is filled with 28 pictures of the chief minister unabashedly splashed across almost every page of the 28-page newsletter.”

Nah, I don’t think they are the only ones that are regarded as potential threats to Project Crossover. Don’t you think The Old School Politician Mr Karpal Singh is also against crossover ? I bet this whole vendetta against Hasan Ali and Nasha Mat Isa is a subtle warning to Karpal that if he continues to oppose politicians crossing over, he too will not be spared.

“Hello Ahmad Ibrahim. It’s not just 20-30 year olds Chinese leading the charge. 20-30 year old Malays are in it as well.

“The conflict is more generational than racial. Those below the 40 year age gap are more pro opposition.”

Jonny boy, for Dapsters like you, it is a very convenient answer. But to most thinking people, the real answer can be found in S Thayaparan’s ‘The years of living racially‘:

“If anything, Chinese and Indian support of Pakatan is not really based on any egalitarian foundation but rather that their racialist expectations would be better served by an alliance which is not as corrupt and (here’s the hilarious part) racist, as Umno.”

“Nobody in Pakatan (with a few exceptions) dares put forward the idea that a non-Malay could ever lead this country but Pakatan supporters make the appropriate noise when it comes to meritocracy and race blindness when it is politically expedient to do so.”

“The usual justification is that the Malay community is the majority and only they can decide if and when it is palatable for a Malaysian regardless of his or her race to ascend by popular will to the highest office in the land. So don’t rock the boat. The goal is to be led by a forward-thinking Malay and banish the hated BN from Putrajaya.

Yup, and once there, we can still play the same racial game with ideas of the sort espoused by Niat but coming from Pakatan no doubt it would be more palatable. And once this happens we will unfortunately once again, get the government we deserve.”

The Pakatan hacks, as always, love to say their politics is beyond race, clash of generations, blah blah blah. But as S Thayaparan said, they are all hacks, when it is expedient for they to say so, they will say it.

Wow, this Bishop Paul speaks like some deluded Crusader from the Dark Ages.

BTW, Helen, I have my friends and relatives in Klang Valley and this is what they tell me. You might want to check this out.

One of the first thing happened in Klang was the massive expansion of a Church supported by Xavier. Apparently the church broke every rules in books and more.

My relatives also say that there are churches and Christian organizations setting up branches everywhere in shop houses and housing estates. High profile foreign Christian preachers are also apparently visiting Selangor in droves….may be to support Visit Selangor Year kot…

An uncle of mine was relating how Gopinand gave a speech at his church in Puchong, not unsurprisingly on politics and to demonise BN. Wonder why churches even allow non Christians to take the pulpit and abuse it for political purposes. Isn’t having DAP Christian Right politicians and Crusaders Bishops like Paul Tan abusing Churches not enough ?

Its like this. Someone stole something. He was caught. Instead of admitting he committed a crime, he said he was set up by the person who arrested him.

Now we have these Opposition people coming here with Malay, Chinese, Indian names claiming they are such and such, but we all know, in reality, these people are not what they claim they are. As RPK said, most of the people posting comments on his site are Chinese masquerading as such and such.

When they are exposed as such and such, they cry conspiracy, propaganda, set up etc. I m not surprised by all this. After all, I work with these people all the time. The difference between me and them is, I don’t hide behind excuses like conspiracy, propaganda, set up etc. I m an Illuminati Agent after all.

Accusing someone of theft, getting caught for theft are 2 different things. If someone is not caught for theft (whether he did it or not, god knows) and you still accuse him, then you provide evidence (if any) to corroborate your accusation.

Everyone who posts here uses nick, including yourself.

Does the color of skin matters to you, to decide whether to read their comments? Does the substance of their argument only matters if you know their skin colour or political alliance?

Again i am making my point, if there is an organised christian group going around spreading their teachings to Malay/muslims , logically there would be many (not 1 or 2) who would have been agitated by their approach, and come forward to complain. SO far i only see this Hassan fellow and few others who are the complainants not the victims themselves. What else to say if you say 1 plus 1 is 3.

Helen, is ‘opposition’ people and views not welcomed here?
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If you’re saying that only 1 or 2 people have been agitated by the evangelizing, and only this Hasan fella and few others are complaining, then your views express your limited social circle and reading, and not mine. — Helen

“Does the color of skin matters to you, to decide whether to read their comments? Does the substance of their argument only matters if you know their skin colour or political alliance?”

Again you showed your hypocrisy. When you want to sell your snake oil i.e politics beyond race, you say stuff like “look beyond skin color” etc. One minute you say “skin color is not important” the next you say “does the color of skin matters to you”. It is obvious that you are indulging in DAPthink. If you indeed look beyond skin color, why would it matter if someone says explicitly/implicitly that race matters ? The man is just expressing his views.

You don’t seemed to tolerate dissent, and you certainly can’t debate rationally. When you don’t agree with someone, you play the race card and the conspiracy card.

But then again, me and most of the readers of this blog, those that are rational, most certainly welcome you and people like you to this blog not because you and people like you make me and the other loyal readers look good, but because the more you put your paranoid arguments/views on this blog, the more it reveals people like you to be truly hypocrites and paranoia at the same time. Funny but not surprised though, that hypocrisy and paranoia are bedfellows. But then again, the opposition is, as the ruling coalition say time and time again, a grouping of people sleeping on the same bed but dreaming different dreams.

And if you don’t quite like what I’ve just said, then you can post derogatory replies on this blog. But at the same time, I also reserve the right not to respond to your “derogatory” statements. Cheers ! Phew !

Time for journalists and reporters to ask point blank tough questions to hypocrites like Paul Tan & many christian pastors about their efforts in trying to evangelise Muslims.

Hassan Ali has spoken the truth and christian leaders like Paul Tan are saying that it is a non-issue and demands for clear proof. To Paul Tan and the other Christians, I say the proof lies in your heart. Search your conscience and be sincere about this.

Even NECF Chairman Rev Eu Hong Seng has admitted post DUMC incident: “I don’t think they share openly.” After being pressed further on whether such groups proselytised Muslims at all, he replied: “They always share. Anyone shares the message. They share the message.”

So there it is-already an admission though Rev Eu is still trying to be cagey but the conclusion is clear. There were attempts to do so. Am sure there were conversions too but no pastor or Christian leader in Malaysia has got the courage and guts to openly admit it and face the consequence.

None dare to pay the price. All of them wanna lift their hands to sign hallelujahs but scared to pay the price. Do they really believe that there is a crown without the cross? Is there glory without pain and sacrifice? These Christians should go and read about Bro Yun in “The Heavenly Man” and be really ashamed of their own deceit, lies and dishonesty.

At the end of the day, if one dared not pay the price, then just don’t do it and keep quiet. I don’t expect them to be heroes but I do expect them not to be hypocrites. The Bible that I read and the God I worship preaches truth and love. But as a Christian, I’m ashamed that I’m not getting much of these from Christian leaders in Malaysia.

Dr Hassan Ali said the truth. What he said is not surprising. All Malay Muslim leaders know about that. But being typical Malay, they have the tendency to underestimate the situation.

Thanks to Dr Hassan for putting it point blank to our face. The insistence of sharing name ‘Allah’ is related to this “murtad’ issue. What better way to bring Christianity to Muslims other than making Muslims feel they are not sinful for leaving Islam By recognising a human mortal (Jesus) as ‘allah”.

Aptly reminded by Quran that Christians will not be satisfied until Muslims follow their path.

Also the Malay saying “lulus jarum, luluslah kelindan”. The “Allah” issue is not a linguistic dispute. Rather, it is about “akidah”.

So, now we have a ultimate test to know who among Muslim Malay politicians (who believe they are Umat Nabi Muhammad SAW), are genuine or “fake”.

The ‘munafik’ politicians will support Christians using “Allah” as they badly need Chinese votes towards Putrajaya. Just to satisfy their crave on power. Go to hell with akidah. Not that the name “Allah” is a big thing for Christians as all of them when asked reply that they worship Jesus, not ‘Allah”. Only a few pastors insists on that for reasons we all know.

Their (the munafik Malay politicians) excuse is that Malay Muslims faith can’t be shaken simply because Christians use the same name for “god”. They will accuse UMNO as creating an issue out of nothing.

The genuine leaders will reject outright the proposal. As they realise what that can shaken the faith WILL EVENTUALLY leads to just that: SHAKEN THE FAITH.

The naked truth is that the way some of our Malay politicians (many of them seems pious) behave make me wonder are they actually leading Allah SWT to “turunkan bala” to all of us.
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Does the Quran describe sifat ‘bala’ yang bakal diturunkan? According to the bible, the wicked were punished by “plague of locusts”, great flood, cities destroyed (Sodom and Gomorrah). — Helen

It is obvious; the name does not rhyme with the agenda. In the 1980’s thousands of Malaysian Indians indentured labors from the plantation were converted into Christianity for the sole reason as material help and material enhancement was provided for the impoverished society due to conversation of plantation into housing development. Naturally the fault lies in the government because they never catered for this community like what they did for the Malays and it was free fall of beliefs for survival then.

It is very sad that most run an agenda as when it fits them without having an understanding or acceptance that no religion should be brought into equation if equality is all that is sought after for a nation to progress.

Naturally people like Helen Ang needs to be there because to remind us to ponder agenda and notions of the lawmaker for the benefit of the people to ensure that we are not blindly hoodwinked with a false independence, freedom or whatever you call it.