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I am trying to trace my Elder Family History and was hoping you could help me. Any help would be appreciated. My Name is Jere Elder Baldwin and here is all I have to go on: I am descended through:

Jeremiah Benjamin Elder, born 3/22/1834, York Co. Pennsylvania.

Died 3/26/1886 in Baltimore, Md, 3/26/1886, in North Gay Street of Paralyisis of the Brain.

He was a shoemaker. Married Mary Jane Hughes 4/13/1855, (who was the daughter of John Hughes & Mary Dunbar.)

Mary Jane Hughes was born 4/4/1835 in Pa, d. 11/30/1910 Marietta, Pa. He and Mary were seperated, and She moved back to Marietta Lancaster County with her children. I am descended by their daughter Ida Lincoln Elder, born in Baltimore Maryland, april 14th 1865. Appearntly Jeremiah Benjamin Elder remarried and stayed in Baltimore.

A partial geneaology was forwarded to me from a cousin Lois Elder as follows, but I do not believe it is correct:

Jeremiah Benjamin Elder, b. 3/22/1834, York Co., d.
3/26/1886 in Baltimore, Md, 3/26/1886, in North Gay Street of Paralyisis of the Brain.
He was a shoemaker. Married Mary Jane Hughes 4/13/1855,
who was the daughter of John Hughes & Mary Dunbar.
Mary Jane Hughes was born 4/4/1835 in Pa, d. 11/30/1910 Marietta, Pa.

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Robert ELDER [b.1760 York Co, PA]
He served in the Revolutionary War and fought at Kings Mountain. He
wrote a letter which was printed in the book "King's Mountain and
It's Heroes: History of the Battle of King's Mountain October 7th,
1780, and the Events Which Led To It" by Lyman C. Draper.
The letter is has follows:
Robert Elder, April 2, 1823, certifies: That I was a
volunteer of the regiment commanded by Colonel William Campbell, in
the action, fought upon King's Mountain, on the seventh day of
October, in the year 1780, and do hereby declare, that I never saw
Colonel Campbell on the field of battle after the first onset of the
action, until the surrender of the enemy. I also declare, that I
often saw Colonel Isaac Shelby endeavoring to animate our men, and
particularly at the time of the battle when the enemy charged our
lines, and drove us down the mountain, from one hundred and fifty to
two hundred yards, or upwards. I both saw and heard Colonel Shelby
make great exertions to rally our men, which he finally effected, and
turned them back upon the enemy, and drove them in their turn until
they surrendered.
Robert served in his brother Captain James Elder's company under
Colonel Roebuck. He and his wife applied for a pension 25 March 1833
in Lincoln County, Kentucky. According to his pension record he was
born in York County, Pennsylvania. ..."

I'll look for more about Jeremiah Benjamin....
***

(Heritage Quest - Books online)
McBurney, Francis.
History of the congregation of Guinston, Chanceford, York County, Pennsylvania, in connection with the United Presbyterian Church
Chanceford, Pa.: the Congregation, 1866, 23 pg
(No ELDER names in lists of Parishioners)
This is probably the minister who married Samuel ELDER and Mary Scott
in 1779.
Page 14: Rev. James Clarkson d. 1811
at Valleyfield (The name by which he designated the place of his residence)
he is buried in Guinston graveyard_________________Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, WA USA
Host, ELDER DNA project
results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ElderNancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com

Last edited by nancyp on Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:42 pm; edited 1 time in total

I found this information you have here and the link you gave very interesting. I have found nothing on my Ancestor save the information from the Elder Family Bible.

It is possible that Jeremiah Benjamin Elders mother was named Mary as I have a Mary Elder listed as passing away in 1856. I have no maiden name or any other info on her.

Jeremiah Benjamin Elder (though Born In York County 1832) was found in the 1850 census living in Baltimore in the household of another person named Daniel Alister and his family as an apprentice shoemaker.

He married Jane Hughes in 1855, and in New Port, Perry County PA. They went to Baltimore. There a few of the family were born. At some point they seperated ODDLY, Jane came back to Marietta, and Jeremiah stayed in Baltimore till he died. I believe he is in the 1880 census there remarried. I am looking for that census notation, and can not find it just now. I will confirm that at another time

I do have his children listed, and that they lived with their mother Jane Elder in Marietta Lancaster County.

My Relative Ida Elder is there in 1880. (She married in 1886 to William Harry Baldwin, whose Line I also can not trace, but is listed from Marietta.)

Some of the other Children were:

Milton, Jeremiah B Jr. , Livinia, and Mary. I do not have my list handy to include more.

Great stuff! I loved the links. I see alot of similarity to the Line of Robert Elder from Dauphin. I do not know if my cousin just looked at it and wrote down names, or had a basis to do so.

I find it intriguing that one of the Samuels' ends up in Maryland. In that line I see another Samuel and Stephen as well.

I have looked at this line, and have infered I may be from one of these two given what my cousin said. I do know that Jeremiah Benjamin Elder ends up in Baltimore at some time being born in York County.

In my notes my cousin refrences a Samuel Elder of Chanceford Twp, York county as a possible relative. I have him married to a Mary (?)

I assume that there are a few children from this gentlemen down to yet another Samuel or Stephen.

I do find a line from the Dauphin County Elders that looks good:

It is the same one you have above for Samuel Elder,

but I noted in research that there are a few cross overs down that line to Maryland and with the names of Samuel.

The Descendants Samuel Elder from Hanover Twp. noted as married to Mary Robinson in had two children listed:

1) Samuel Born 1758, and dies in Maryland where my Ancestor ended up He marys a Mary (?) I have a MAry Scot Listed in my stuff as married to a samuel from Chanceford Twp. York County.

and The second son is named John Elder who marries Esther McKinley

That Samuel is listed Born 1758, is noted as having two children, a Samuel (Birth Unknown) and Joseph Robinson Elder

I have wondered if that Samuel with the unknown birth (who it looks like was in Maryland) could be my relative?

However, I also noted that the Above John Elder who married Esther Mckinley, had two children with names on my cousins list as well:

Samuel Born Nov. 1795 and died Mar. 8 1866, dies in Baltimore where my Jeremiah ends up. There is also a stephen listed as a brother of this Samuel Born April 11th, 1794. I Note that the list my relative gives has both those names, and would trace back to John Elder from scotland, who migrated here from Antrim Ireland.

These are where I have settled to try to check, but I have nothing on those last ends of those lines. I also do not know anything about that Samuel Elder listed as living in Chanceford Twp York County and his family.

A side note: That Esther McKinley, I am told is of the line of the President, and is a relative of a friend of mine. He has only her name and marriage.

My only other thoughts are I may be from the line in Maryland listed as comming from the Fredrick Maryland and Baltimore Md. Area that is listed as the "catholic" line While I am not aware of any catholic members of the Elder Line in my family, I know York County is not too far from Baltimore, and back if some of that line might be my connection.

The list my cousin gave my aunt years ago, though seemingly disjointed is squarely the John Elder Line from Scotland. I just don't know if she had any rthme or reason to the list.

The York County Elders and teh Samuel Elder line you cited looks like a good bet.

The Frank Elder family you asked about I believe moved to Michigan.

Any help would be appreciated.

I did find that my Jeremiah Benjamin Elder was listed in the 1880 census in Maryland (noted as a shoemaker as is mine) as J.B. Elder and remarried to a lady named Josie Elder. They are in the 6th Ward, Precinct 3, Baltimore.

This was news to me. The latter accompanying the family bible entry only lists his death in and that he and my Great great Grandmother were seperated. (not divorced.) No reason was listed or ever mentioned.

Thanks again, and I hope this was not too confusing to decipher. so many similar names!

ELDER.--Suddenly, on the 8th instant,
SAMUEL ELDER in the 71st year of his age.
His relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from his late residence, No. 156 North Howard Street, on tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon, at three o’clock, without further notice.
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ELDER.--Departed this life, On March 26, at 1 P.M.
of paralysis of the brain, J. B. ELDER, in his 52nd year.
[York county papers please copy.]
The funeral will take place on Monday afternoon March 29, at
two o’clock, from his late residence, No. 407 North Gay street.
Relatives and friends are invited.
***

More about "Uncle Samuel"
From Full Text online at Heritage Quest (search Books-Place- Baltimore)
found book title (and index with one ELDER, SAMUEL)
"Half-century's progress of the city of Baltimore:
the city's leading manufacturers and merchants. "
New York: International Pub. Co., 1887, 205 pgs.
Page 179.
"Samuel Elder & Co., Grain, Flour, and Produce Commission Merchants, Dealers in Clover and Timothy Seeds, and Importers of Bolting Cloths, and Manufacturers of the Boss-Fertilizers, No. 109 North Howard Street.--One of the oldest, as well as one of the most influential firms engaged in the grain, flour, and produce business is that of Samuel Elder & Co. This house was founded sixty-six years ago, and the following have been the changes in the style and title of the firm since that date, viz.: 1820, Thomas Black & Col.; 1850, Samuel Elder; 1854, Samuel Elder & Co. The individual members of the present copartnership are Messrs. Oliver F. and Jacob F. Lantz, both of whom have had long experience, and possess an intimate knowledge of every detail and feature of the grain and produce trade. The firm carries on an extensive commission business in grain, flour, produce, etc., and deals likewise in clover and timothy seeds. Their facilities are unsurpassed by any of their contemporaries, and in this era of activity in the grain market they offer the trade and public unexcelled advantages. Messrs. Samuel Elder & Co. are also large importers of bolting cloths, which are offered to customers at the lowest market prices. The following are the references of this reliable firm, viz.: Robert Garrett, president of the Baltimore and Ohio railroad, Baltimore, Md.; Messrs. Robert Garrett & Sons, bankers, Baltimore, Md.; Western National Bank, Baltimore, Md., Messrs. George W. Ziegler, First National Bank, Greencastle Pa.; George C. Dietrick, Galesburg, Ill.; National Exchange Bank, Baltimore, Md.; William C. Carroll, Charlestown, Jefferson county, W. Va. Liberal advances are made on consignments when required, and all orders are executed in a prompt and satisfactory manner. Both Messrs Oliver F. and Jacob F. Lantz are members of the Baltimore Corn and Flour Exchange."
Book title allso listed as:
" 1st Half Century's progress of the City of Baltimore "_________________Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, WA USA
Host, ELDER DNA project
results:
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RE: ELDER, WAIT & WHITMAN:
http://www.massreports.com/memorials/297ma589.htm
"WILLIAM CUSHING WAIT was born in Charlestown, Massachusetts, December 18, 1860.
His earlyeducation was in the public schools of Medford. He was graduated from Harvard College, A.B. summa cum laude in 1882 and received his A.M. there in 1885. He attended the Harvard LawSchool from 1882 to 1885 and then received his LL.B. Thence, he practised in Boston until his elevation to the Superior Court. For a time he shared an office with his classmate George Eaton.
Then, he became a partner with Samuel J. Elder under the style of Elder & Wait until 1893, when Edmund A. Whitman joined the firm, and the name became Elder, Wait & Whitman. ... He died on January 28, 1935..."
In 1890, with his friend, that very eminent and widely known lawyer,
the Honorable Samuel J. Elder, and Edmund A. Whitman, there was organized the famous firm ofElder, Wait and Whitman, honored in thought and memory of now near three generations of lawyers and laymen."
...Judge Hardy had been the senior member of the firm of Hardy, Elder and Proctor. Mr.
Proctor also retired at this time and the neighborly association with the late Samuel J. Elder was fraught with fruitful consequences both to Judge Wait and to the speaker, who in 1888 took the desk released by the classmate. During these years we both wrote articles for the American and English Encyclopedia of Law, thus helping out a slowly growing practice."
...Early in 1890 Mr. Elder invited the judge to a partnership, followed in 1893 by a similar invitation to the speaker. The partnership thus formed continued until the appointment in 1902..."

Nancy's Notes:
From the book: “Life of Samuel J. Elder”
written by Margaret M. Elder, Yale University Press,1925.
With Preface by William H. Taft --"William Howard Taft" -- His name is also in the index.
That must be President Taft, 1909-1913, as he was Chief Justice after that.
He says of Samuel’s father JAMES, “He was a handsome, adventurous sailer.
He was moody, introspective, but generous and efficient. He was the pride of a family of Scottish descent, settled in Maryland...”
JAMES...."met his future wife, Deborah Keen, in Boston, and married her at Nashua, New Hampshire, in August, 1848.
She was then twenty-seven years old, and he forty-six.
The port from which he sailed most often was Providence,
Rhode Island. They therefore settled in the town of Hope in that state, and Sam was born there in January, 1850.
In January, 1851, James sailed from Providence and touched at New York, and was never seen alive afterwards.
The vessel left New York without him, and his body was found in New York harbor..."

Page 3:
Re: Samuel’s father James Elder.
“James belonged to a family of Elders living in Baltimore, Maryland”
Samuel James Elder was named for his father’s older brother, who
was a quaint, middle-aged bachelor with a prosperous flour business in Baltimore”

Re: JAMES
As a sailor, he was killed in New York City in 1851 sometime before sailing.
James’ brother Samuel writes from Baltimore in January 1851,
“yesterday we had him Buried in Green Mount Cemetery along side of his Mothers remains.”
[so that should be Esther McKinley Elder--maybe we can find a record of her there]

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Page 4:
“Samuel Elder, the flour merchant, was the head of this Scotch-Presbyterian family of Baltimore.
He had made himself foster-father to James and to an appalling number of dependent kinsfolk--widows,
orphaned children and lonely invalids--whom he gathered in succession, in the time of their need,
under his comfortable roof. But while there was comfort and protection afforded in the Baltimore home,
there was also the surfeiting of these satisfactions--ledgers and piety, stuffy parlors and too many Elders.
One is made restless by them even in the letters.

Page 6
...Although James did not make many replies to these numerous
letters, he had a talent for writing which was recognized by his friends and the Baltimore family.
An invalid niece, Margaret, whom Samuel looked after, was devoted to her “dearly loved uncle” James,
and wrote him many charming letters. In one she makes a shy appeal that he “confer a great favour” on her,
“and that is to write me a report for a Society for the Relief of Indigent Sick, something that will be Scriptural”...”
The letters refer to articles which he wrote for sailors’ magazines and in the packet of verse already mentioned
there are thirty or forty poems which James wrote when he was at sea....”
By far the most interesting records of my grandfather’s life as a sailor are two old sea journals which he wrote
when he was first mate during a couple of long voyages. ...”

Page 24
In 1860, Mrs. Elder married again. Her second husband, Mr. Ezra Marble, was a widower t
hirteen years older than she, with three daughters....Mr. Marble was overseer of the printing-room
of the Pacific Mills, an inventor and a highly skilled mechanic. ..
In April of 1861 a son was born, named for his father (Ezra).

Page 29:
In May of 1864, at the invitation of her brother-in-law, Mrs. Marble went to Baltimore with her two sons,
the little boy Ezra and fourteen-year old Sam Elder, to make a visit.
During this visit Uncle Sam took his namesake to Washington.
...Uncle and nephew went together to the White House to see Lincoln and waited several hours...
they went away without seeing him....”

Page 31
“Uncle Samuel Elder died on March 8, 1866, at the age of seventy-one....
Page 32
“When he died he left to his namesake, Sam, a bequest of three thousand dollars.”
[Might find a copy of that Will of 1866 -- should have more
names in it]

Page 64
Samuel:
After a summer in Maine the vacation came to an end in the visit of two dearly loved young girl cousins from Baltimore.
The journal records the last of vacation and the events of the fall term of junior year:
“Wednesday, Floy, Mamie and I spent in Boston visiting the Monument....”

Page 82:
“In Baltimore there was a relative by marriage who was engaged in the wholesale paint business.
This none too successful man offered to make Sam manager of a New England agency and his partner....”

Page 90:
Nearly two weeks were spent in Baltimore at Mr. K--’s house.
I looked over his books with Parker his clerk and found his affairs in a very much less
favorable condition than I had reason to expect...
Still I believed there was money in the business if properly conducted and decided to enter it,
though I did not commit myself to him. My wish was still to study law if possible and I told him so...
On Friday I reached home, having made a vain effort to get something to do in
Boston at the newspapers and in answer to an advertisement.

Page 129
Marriage of Samuel J. Elder:
“At Hastings-on-Hudson, May 10th 1876, at the home of the bride’s mother: Lilla S. Thomas to Samuel J. Elder”
*****
Searching Baltimore City Genweb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdcbalti/PresbyterianBurials.htm
First Presbyterian Church
Baltimore, Maryland
1820-1866
Record of burials attended by John C. Backus
Pastor of the First Presbyterian Church of Baltimore
Submitted by Pattie Causey
1823
July 25 Mrs. Esther Elder.