I recently stumbled on this CCG and liked it alot, multiple races, each with their own cardsets, so lots of deck disparity. Plenty of card abilities, though overall the game is more like Elements than WMT.

The biggest factor for me was PvP, which is a rarity is most decent games that are not pay to win.

That’s right, you read “not pay to win.”

The game has no premium content. You won’t see certain $ynapticoin fans there because actual skill is required.

why don’t we just rate all their games 1 star? if the avg drops below 4* they lose money. Seems to be the only thing that synaptigreed cares about

Lots of 8 year olds who shouldn’t even have a Kong account play the game for one day, rate it five stars, and never come back again. If you recall the 1/5ers campaign, most of the dedicated userbase (ironically) has the game rated at one star.

Just out of curiosity, has anybody from BW ever confessed all the accounts that were shared? I don’t read the forums much, so i’m not sure if there was ever any proof or if people just assumed. I figure with the game coming to an end, maybe somebody should tell the story from the BW side. And who knows, maybe I have some (account) info that people would like to know about?

Of course not.
They admit to spying,but not to sharing.
And even after all the times they have been caught out, they still won’t admit it.

Not until shutdown at least,cause then it won’t matter~

Actually, that’s false. In each of the catfaces, a confession/description of the event was posted on the forums. These admissions were from current BW members every time and are thus trustworthy. Heavy account sharing was usually cited as the reason for every catface.

Furthermore, after the two big catfaces and into BW’s reign, several leaks and confessions occurred. The leaks were mostly screenshots, but even if you discount those the confessions remain solid. An example is Mak’s admission, which Mak referenced earlier in this thread.

The official line from the protectionist devs and mods has always been that there is no proof BW cheated, and all rumors are unsubstantiated, however the long line of evidence provides a different story.

At the very least, even if we discount every confession and screenshot, the fact that BW was catfaced twice and those catfaces were confirmed to be caused by account sharing demonstrates that BW was cheating at least during the catfacing periods.

The weight of the other evidence mainly relies on the assumption that a faction with a strong history of organized cheating would continue to cheat in order to capture and hold the top rank, which is not a particularly unreasonable assumption.

The political reasons for the administration’s protectionist and defensive stance are myriad and a different topic, but they can be summed up as the desire to avoid any cheating related discussion on the forums (so as not to scare away new players/potential WBers) and because many BW members spent quite a bit of money on WBs.

The solution is to make all forums only moddable by the mods assigned to them.

Else, you will have mods with no understand of social context or the fact that this game has already been declared dead (i.e., one the basic facts you should know if you want to moderate here) coming in and enforcing their own puritan idea of ToS.

And of course, the report bots which target specific usernames as retaliation get their way.

not all ppl who flag are literally hitler. so yeah, it’s bad in some cases.

also: I don’t think the threads DF mentioned were locked because they were off-topic or anything (except Tinashes), but because they always devolved into fighting and flaming. If you guys want to seriously discuss stuff like music or politics without resorting to insults, then I couldn’t care less.

The problem is that you’re not the only mod who stumbles in here. Specimens like Stots would gladly lock a civil thread if it wasn’t Tyrant themed, such a politics thread.

This is the second game I’ve met up with Blakers in, just by chance. Since we’re done here in August, where are we headed next?

Thanks for the concern wayne :)

I’ve been looking for a penguin CCG…no luck. (inside joke)

If you find something, let me know…and vice versa (applies to everyone reading this). I have a job with a fair amount of deadtime outside my busy season, and i’ll be forced to find a new addiction. just PLEASE no more connect 4 games, i’m tired of chuck norris beating me in 3 moves.

Remember, BW was forced to cheat to get to the top due to a lack of skill on the part of their members. So you could always argue that, had they been better at the game, they could have gotten to the top without cheating and thus would never have cheated. If you assume that BW wouldn’t have cheated if they didn’t need to, then BW was really just a victim of circumstance which acted as a rational actor.

#NoChoiceSaveSharing

Your argument would hold more water if every top faction didn’t cheat at some point.

Unless you argue that this game, being random, is well represented by a gambling model. In that case, the odds are for the house, and thus no one can consistently beat the game. In addition, everyone who tries to beat the game eventually losses everything (gambler’s ruin).

In that case, the fact that every top faction had to cheat actually supports my theory, albeit now extended to every faction, not just BW.

Logically, the only way to stay in the top ranks (i.e. survive against the house) is to result to cheating. However, factions with more aggregate skill will have to cheat less. We can imagine a dimensionless value, M, which stands for what it takes to stay in the top ten. If all factions have to cheat, then M is the value of aggregate skill S added to level of cheating C. So, for any given top faction,

M = S + C

As you can see, factions with more skill need to cheat less to attain M and stay in the top ranks.

We can see that the factions who cared enough about the game to adopt rational behavior models over the long term can be ranked in skill retrospectively by how much they cheated. Since BW’s cheating was the most egregious, it does imply that BW had less skill than the other factions who cheated less.

Essentially, the common sense notion that factions which cheat more have less skill than factions who cheat less is solid.

#NoChoiceSaveSharing

I agree with your reasoning, it seems sound. How do we know BW cheated more than other factions did, though? Maybe BW just had some people (like myself) admit to certain things more than other factions did.

This is a good point. The assumption that BW cheated the most is due to the extensive evidence and confessions which have appeared over the years, however, it could be that BW was simply very unlucky.

In fact, if we argue that other factions did a much better job of keeping their stuff under the rug, BW could have been the cleanest faction in the game.

I would appeal to occam’s razor here.

We could either assume that BW was extremely unlucky, and other factions just hid everything much better, or that the investigative pressure of the Tyrant community more or less revealed most of what every faction was doing. Thus, the rate of cheating was directly proportional to the rate of exposure on the forums.

Now, every faction has had some sort of expose’ on the forums, so it seems unlikely that they just hid things perfectly. Furthermore, based on the M = S + C model, it follows that the the top faction will always be the one which cheats the most anyway.

I would argue it is much more probable that BW simply cheated the most, rather than that they were singularly unlucky.

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