lemur wrote: for the purposes of this discussion, lets presume that "art" in the context of burning man refers to the camps/sculptures/mutantvehicles/installations and "not art" refers to the DJ's and music.

I'm down with that

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Simon of the Playa wrote: I think it's important to note that i love the OOOOONTZ. i really do, i used to get made fun of, called names for my musical tastes, and now that it's mainstream, i find the whole "scene" pretty interesting, from a sociological standpoint...

one more thing.....TRAP sucks worse than dubstep....that is all

Don't fall into the Trap trap!

Step back into the House, preferably in the Deep part of the house early in the night, the get Electro-field l8r on.

But, in all seriousness, even though I am _not_ one of the 4 non-DJs, I still have to agree: BM is a radical art & self reliance event, where we should have some DJs to make a nice party - not the reverse.

Decent music playa-wide died years ago when everyone switched from desert breaks to dubstep...

Even if the lineup was correct, and timely, they are all just playing dubstep anyways, so it really dosn't matter who you go & see.

Last three years I've had a handful of really good dancing experiences to unknown DJs, anything bigname is just a disappointment as the um superficial crowds take up the sweetspots prancing in circles and the soundsystems are, while large, horribly out of tune/clipping.

Best sound on playa is usually the little psytrance camp off at 10' & End of the Line.... Pure High Fidelity Quadraphonic with an all emersive experience..... even if you don't like psytrance try & seek them out and compare the sound to any of the camps on the corners.

Simon of the Playa wrote:thank you, im sure there are others with more experience than i, but i have been in the trenches so to speak, for a while.

i think it's important to note that i love the OOOOONTZ. i really do, i used to get made fun of, called names for my musical tastes, and now that it's mainstream, i find the whole "scene" pretty interesting, from a sociological standpoint...

i'm pretty old to be a raver, i'm 49, but, Disco has been around as long as i have, and EDM is TECHNO, people, even though eminem claims nobody listens to it anymore.

my hope is for Balance...

in the past few years, as the wave of "Rave" popularity rolled over and around us, the playa has become a focal point, a proving ground for DJ's and producers.

we are Important in that manner, believe me, EVERY motherfucking DJ worth his salt wants to say he's played some big stage at Burning Man, it gives them instant street cred.

this chum in the water also draws the sharks.

i know who they are, and where they swim, and as a lifeguard of sorts, i only want to make sure that they do not attempt to eat the event, in many ways, large and small.

the LSC (large scale sound) need to respect these boundaries, and NOT ALLOW DEFAULTIA BUSINESS onto the playa...pretend it's a party for you and your friends, not how can we pump up the new talent, or where can we not so secretly place mounds of product that have been "donated" to us..

i will name no names, you know who you are.

keep that shit outta Black Rock, it does not belong on the dust.

and try to do something other than pills and nitrous all week and for god's sake, GO OUT AND VISIT THE REST OF THE FUCKING CITY, dont just flutter between 10 and 2 every goddamn night.

am i shitting on the rave camps? No...i'm warning you, my friends and comrades in sub-woofers, that you must check yourselves before you wreck ourselves...

it's not a fucking dirt rave, it's a fucking ART PICNIC w Music and dancing.

participation is not shuffling from one superstar dj's set to the next....that is Coach- Hell-a

I fear for the day of Burning Man joining the ranks of the "transformational festival circuit" along with Symbiosis, Sonic Bloom, et. al. The folks already speak of Burning Man as if it's some kind of transformational-hippie-rave-mecca... at least they are too busy selling pretty rocks (spirit stones) and shitty-smelling homemade incense rather than actually attempting to put the trip together. Those festi-kids are among the most worthless people I've ever met in my entire life. Can talk your ear off about absolutely nothing (the spiritual machine manifests within all of us in it's own earth-goddess), will try to sell you useless shit in a vain attempt to seem worldly, and then will drive off after stealing your gear.

I always laugh reading the taglines for those fests and seeing all the Venice-Beach-Rich-Parents-but-I'm-so-poor-and-worldly Hipsters eat up the hilariously written "spiritual" garbage like flies on shit.