I don't think anyone's found that holy grail of motorcycle jeans, subtle ones. As I mention in the other thread, my play was to get Draggin Kevlar underwear and add knee armor, which protects me while letting me wear anything.

Ok I couldn't hold it in anymore: that's all I can stands I can't stands no more! This whole diatribe is full of shit. Not that it didn't happen but the author's conclusions are just bullshit. Advice like this is what gets people hurt because they are in over their head

I was never in "over my head".

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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid

Not directly but you did say this
"This" being to not start off on a supersport... If you want to get semantic, sure, the article as about 600s and not 1000s but both are pretty stupid bikes to start on

You also played the whole "it worked out fine for me" card

And now you are writing essays to backpedal

Bottom line, someone w/no experience on a motorcycle has no business on a 600/1000. A couple of months on a 250-500 won't kill you and taking your time to actually learn how to ride instead of just surviving is a good thing

I haven't backpedaled at all. Unfortunately, what I have done is defend what I wrote against others (like yourself) filling in spaces with things that I didn't say or mean. If someone feels completely comfortable on a larger bike then I don't see why they shouldn't get one. If one's not comfortable with it than they shouldn't do it. I was completely comfortable with what I did.

Also, someone with no experience should start out taking a MSF course (or a similar course) and learn about riding and handling a bike and make sure that they even LIKE riding a motorcycle or it's something that they can even physically do. I've stated that from the start. That's nice of you to put words into my mouth though. Once again, that's not backpedaling, it's not letting you take liberties with what I said.

How long have the two of you been riding and how did you start out? Anyone that started riding later in life (as in after 18 yo.)? Have either of you taken the MSF (or similar) courses?Edited by Tck13 - 8/16/13 at 4:19pm

Thing is, there's a 99% chance that you didn't knew what you were doing, principally because you had no idea what the bike was capable of doing. And how could you, since you had no way to compare it with anything ?

This is the recipe for disaster and that's why what you did should never at any point and for anybody be a recommandation.

There's no way we can stress enough that being able to do something and being able to totally control it aren't the same.

There's a reason why EVERY book, rider, forum starts with the advice "get a small bike first". It's because it's way harder to be an old rider than a big bike rider.

I don't think anyone's found that holy grail of motorcycle jeans, subtle ones. As I mention in the other thread, my play was to get Draggin Kevlar underwear and add knee armor, which protects me while letting me wear anything.

I really want a pair of esquad jeans. They are something like 30% stronger than pure Kevlar but with French fashion styling. That's my grail jean. Now, if only they had US stockists.

They're also stiffer that the competition. If you know your size and want one shipped to the US, maybe i can help ? If you want a quotation on how much it would cost to sent it over the pond, just let me know.

Thing is, there's a 99% chance that you didn't knew what you were doing, principally because you had no idea what the bike was capable of doing. And how could you, since you had no way to compare it with anything ?

This is the recipe for disaster and that's why what you did should never at any point and for anybody be a recommandation.

There's no way we can stress enough that being able to do something and being able to totally control it aren't the same.

There's a reason why EVERY book, rider, forum starts with the advice "get a small bike first". It's because it's way harder to be an old rider than a big bike rider.

You're right. After 3 MSF courses (2 before even getting a bike and one soon after getting one) and several months using my bike in parking lots testing the limits of the brakes, acceleration, drilling at turning and maneuvering at slow speeds, expanding on the skills that I learned in my classes, etc. I had absolutely NO IDEA what I was doing. I should have played the lottery as well. I could have won millions as I was so lucky!

What kind of training in addition to what I did would you recommend before someone moves up to a bike with a higher CC than 750?

Thing is, there's a 99% chance that you didn't knew what you were doing, principally because you had no idea what the bike was capable of doing. And how could you, since you had no way to compare it with anything ?

This is the recipe for disaster and that's why what you did should never at any point and for anybody be a recommandation.

There's no way we can stress enough that being able to do something and being able to totally control it aren't the same.

This. It's worrying when new riders go on about how they would have been bored on a smaller bike. A CBR250R will have you moving at 80mph about 5" above skin-grinding asphalt while surrounded by people in 2-ton metal cages trying to watch Youtube on their phones. Someone bored while doing that isn't skilled - he's clueless. What new riders really mean is "I'm no longer constantly terrified" so clearly they can handle another 100hp.

Someone new isn't the best judge of this sort of thing. Anyone that's ever taught another person how to do something involving safety equipment will tell you that newbies always say they're fine, totally comfortable - when they clearly can't see out of their helmet, or their knee guards are covering their shins, or their cup is on backwards, or their safety harness is loose. Ignorance is better than goose-down for giving you that nice, fluffy comfortable sensation - that's why they say it's bliss.

This. It's worrying when new riders go on about how they would have been bored on a smaller bike. A CBR250R will have you moving at 80mph about 5" above skin-grinding asphalt while surrounded by people in 2-ton metal cages trying to watch Youtube on their phones. Someone bored while doing that isn't skilled - he's clueless. What new riders really mean is "I'm no longer constantly terrified" so clearly they can handle another 100hp.

Someone new isn't the best judge of this sort of thing. Anyone that's ever taught another person how to do something involving safety equipment will tell you that newbies always say they're fine, totally comfortable - when they clearly can't see out of their helmet, or their knee guards are covering their shins, or their cup is on backwards, or their safety harness is loose. Ignorance is better than goose-down for giving you that nice, fluffy comfortable sensation - that's why they say it's bliss.

People with no training (or that have been "trained" by friends or family members) account for 90% of motorcycle accidents.

You're right. After 3 MSF courses (2 before even getting a bike and one soon after getting one) and several months using my bike in parking lots testing the limits of the brakes, acceleration, drilling at turning and maneuvering at slow speeds, expanding on the skills that I learned in my classes, etc. I had absolutely NO IDEA what I was doing. I should have played the lottery as well. I could have won millions as I was so lucky!

You're just lacking humility. What you're saying is that after 45 hours of training, 15 of them in class you're good to go on any bike as long as practice in a parking lot ?

And after that you attack the other's arguments on experience ?

If you had ridden on smaller bikes you would know the difference acceleration control make, and actually how to apprehend a newer, bigger bike. I maintain that you just got lucky.

As for under or over 750cc, displacement is not really the matter, my brother's 250cc two stroke engined RGV i have in my garage is way harder to ride correctly and to 100% than my 1000cc is. It's just a matter of big / powerful bikes against experience of what to do with those HP.

Edit : 40% of accidents on a motorcycle are by motorists over their head with confidence. Usually happens around 6 months after getting the license.

People with no training (or that have been "trained" by friends or family members) account for 90% of motorcycle accidents.

Couldn't part of that correlation be the universal practice of recommending smaller-displacement bikes by professional trainers? I'd lay odds that in the courses you took, not once did an instructor say "Ride whatever you want, long as your comfortable."

It's friends and family that push for starting on larger bikes, using pretty much the same rationales you've been arguing against.