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Outhouse Editor

Punchy wrote:I didn't count those as the comic, so I didn't review them, the same way we don't review Letters pages or Marvel's recaps. Did they take away story pages?

Don't know, don't care. If people aren't already reading the book, this page inside the book is probably not going to do it. It would be better served in the trade. If people are reading it, like me... it looks like wasted space, regardless of whether it actually took away from the pages or not.

It was a bad decision and should not be repeated in the future. Save your kudos for the bookstore set, let the comic shop guy do his job and tell people about awesome books.

Outhouse Editor

Punchy wrote:I didn't count those as the comic, so I didn't review them, the same way we don't review Letters pages or Marvel's recaps. Did they take away story pages?

Don't know, don't care. If people aren't already reading the book, this page inside the book is probably not going to do it. It would be better served in the trade. If people are reading it, like me... it looks like wasted space, regardless of whether it actually took away from the pages or not.

It was a bad decision and should not be repeated in the future. Save your kudos for the bookstore set, let the comic shop guy do his job and tell people about awesome books.

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:Don't know, don't care. If people aren't already reading the book, this page inside the book is probably not going to do it. It would be better served in the trade. If people are reading it, like me... it looks like wasted space, regardless of whether it actually took away from the pages or not.

It was a bad decision and should not be repeated in the future. Save your kudos for the bookstore set, let the comic shop guy do his job and tell people about awesome books.

To be fair, most books put a good quote on the cover, it's just that this book has so many it needs 2 pages!

Maybe it was because the book is about literature, and most novels have a few pages of press in the start? Another nod?

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:Don't know, don't care. If people aren't already reading the book, this page inside the book is probably not going to do it. It would be better served in the trade. If people are reading it, like me... it looks like wasted space, regardless of whether it actually took away from the pages or not.

It was a bad decision and should not be repeated in the future. Save your kudos for the bookstore set, let the comic shop guy do his job and tell people about awesome books.

To be fair, most books put a good quote on the cover, it's just that this book has so many it needs 2 pages!

Maybe it was because the book is about literature, and most novels have a few pages of press in the start? Another nod?

Outhouse Editor

Punchy wrote:The websites are there to fill us in, but not in an overly expository way, and it's fairly simple as to why Tom is being blamed for these murders, he was the only one left alive afterwards, and Pullman faked a phonecall in his voice. Plus that torture porn. If you read the book, it's all in there. I know there was a 2 month wait between this and #4, but use your memory!

And Magic in comics is pretty much never defined, it never has any rules, it's a reason cited by Joe Q and Bendis all the time as to why Doctor Strange is tough to write, and I've been reading Hellblazer for like 4 years now and still don't know what the limits of John Constantine's abilities are. That's the nature of magic, to give it rules defeats the essence of it.

I have no problem with the websites, but they don't fill you in and I don't collect any more so going back to issue four isn't an option, because I sold out. A better writer would have accomplished his task of cueing my memory and not bored me to death with blog posts.

This book felt like there were rules until this issue and now it feels like those rules were thrown out the window. Actually, more to the point, it felt like there were rules being revealed and in this one they are thrown out.

I can't believe you of all people are telling me to look at how magic is treated in other comics... it only matters how magic is treated in this issue.

Outhouse Editor

Punchy wrote:The websites are there to fill us in, but not in an overly expository way, and it's fairly simple as to why Tom is being blamed for these murders, he was the only one left alive afterwards, and Pullman faked a phonecall in his voice. Plus that torture porn. If you read the book, it's all in there. I know there was a 2 month wait between this and #4, but use your memory!

And Magic in comics is pretty much never defined, it never has any rules, it's a reason cited by Joe Q and Bendis all the time as to why Doctor Strange is tough to write, and I've been reading Hellblazer for like 4 years now and still don't know what the limits of John Constantine's abilities are. That's the nature of magic, to give it rules defeats the essence of it.

I have no problem with the websites, but they don't fill you in and I don't collect any more so going back to issue four isn't an option, because I sold out. A better writer would have accomplished his task of cueing my memory and not bored me to death with blog posts.

This book felt like there were rules until this issue and now it feels like those rules were thrown out the window. Actually, more to the point, it felt like there were rules being revealed and in this one they are thrown out.

I can't believe you of all people are telling me to look at how magic is treated in other comics... it only matters how magic is treated in this issue.

Outhouse Editor

don't it matters not. I am glad that I held off from reviewing this for BF, I would have had to reread the first five issues and researched that god forsaken poem and it would have just been too much fucking work.

don't it matters not. I am glad that I held off from reviewing this for BF, I would have had to reread the first five issues and researched that god forsaken poem and it would have just been too much fucking work.

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:I have no problem with the websites, but they don't fill you in and I don't collect any more so going back to issue four isn't an option, because I sold out. A better writer would have accomplished his task of cueing my memory and not bored me to death with blog posts.

This book felt like there were rules until this issue and now it feels like those rules were thrown out the window. Actually, more to the point, it felt like there were rules being revealed and in this one they are thrown out.

I can't believe you of all people are telling me to look at how magic is treated in other comics... it only matters how magic is treated in this issue.

But Magic isn't supposed to have rules! It's magic.

I never got the sense that there were rules before this issue, we've seen some pretty out there stuff, that water hand, the never-ending staircase, and none of it was explained.

Things are just as mysterious as they were in #1, just because rules haven't been shown, doesn't mean there aren't any.

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:I have no problem with the websites, but they don't fill you in and I don't collect any more so going back to issue four isn't an option, because I sold out. A better writer would have accomplished his task of cueing my memory and not bored me to death with blog posts.

This book felt like there were rules until this issue and now it feels like those rules were thrown out the window. Actually, more to the point, it felt like there were rules being revealed and in this one they are thrown out.

I can't believe you of all people are telling me to look at how magic is treated in other comics... it only matters how magic is treated in this issue.

But Magic isn't supposed to have rules! It's magic.

I never got the sense that there were rules before this issue, we've seen some pretty out there stuff, that water hand, the never-ending staircase, and none of it was explained.

Things are just as mysterious as they were in #1, just because rules haven't been shown, doesn't mean there aren't any.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:Most of the ones I read do, maybe it's different in the UK.

Interesting. Most of my UK lit is older than you, so I don't know. Here, mainly gaudy paperback reprints might put that stuff in the front, but typically publicity blurbs will be placed on the back cover or less commonly on the jacket interior. But the more a book is reprinted, the more of that stuff builds up--so later mass-market pb printings occasionally load up the front of the book.

I was looking around the room here to see if any of the too-many books feature that, but I'm surrounded by mostly early printings at the moment. But if UK reprints feature that at the front I could buy that, since Mike Carey is British.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:Most of the ones I read do, maybe it's different in the UK.

Interesting. Most of my UK lit is older than you, so I don't know. Here, mainly gaudy paperback reprints might put that stuff in the front, but typically publicity blurbs will be placed on the back cover or less commonly on the jacket interior. But the more a book is reprinted, the more of that stuff builds up--so later mass-market pb printings occasionally load up the front of the book.

I was looking around the room here to see if any of the too-many books feature that, but I'm surrounded by mostly early printings at the moment. But if UK reprints feature that at the front I could buy that, since Mike Carey is British.

Staff Writer

House of J wrote:Interesting. Most of my UK lit is older than you, so I don't know. Here, mainly gaudy paperback reprints might put that stuff in the front, but typically publicity blurbs will be placed on the back cover or less commonly on the jacket interior. But the more a book is reprinted, the more of that stuff builds up--so later mass-market pb printings occasionally load up the front of the book.

I was looking around the room here to see if any of the too-many books feature that, but I'm surrounded by mostly early printings at the moment. But if UK reprints feature that at the front I could buy that, since Mike Carey is British.

Still didn't like it, though.

Maybe it's because I'm cheap and don't by first print hardbacks, and wait until the books have been around for a while. But I've read novels with like 5 pages of quotes.

Staff Writer

House of J wrote:Interesting. Most of my UK lit is older than you, so I don't know. Here, mainly gaudy paperback reprints might put that stuff in the front, but typically publicity blurbs will be placed on the back cover or less commonly on the jacket interior. But the more a book is reprinted, the more of that stuff builds up--so later mass-market pb printings occasionally load up the front of the book.

I was looking around the room here to see if any of the too-many books feature that, but I'm surrounded by mostly early printings at the moment. But if UK reprints feature that at the front I could buy that, since Mike Carey is British.

Still didn't like it, though.

Maybe it's because I'm cheap and don't by first print hardbacks, and wait until the books have been around for a while. But I've read novels with like 5 pages of quotes.

Outhouse Editor

I never got the sense that there were rules before this issue, we've seen some pretty out there stuff, that water hand, the never-ending staircase, and none of it was explained.

Things are just as mysterious as they were in #1, just because rules haven't been shown, doesn't mean there aren't any.

I'm not talking about the magical representation. I am talking about the actual magic that makes the book happen, the spells that Tommy and the folks from the society cast.

I'm sorry but Carey reverted to his most base writing here and just threw everything in.

What really appealed to me with the first five issues was that he was being methodical with the narrative. He used the first issue to develop Tom as a semi-celebrity due to the books. Then the second issue made you question what was real. The the third and fourth dealt with the house and the fifth with Kipling (which went a long way for defining the magic, read it again...) the magic in that issue is deliberate, the magic in the issues previous, deliberate, here it is literally all over the place. My biggest problem is with Frank, where the fuck has he been this whole time. It all may have supposed to have been mystery Frank's disappearance, the tat's disappearing and reappearing, the fucker at the end with his kids, instead it just pissed me off.

I will give this book another issue. But to be honest it kind of feels like House of Mystery where it has just gotten out of hand.

I never got the sense that there were rules before this issue, we've seen some pretty out there stuff, that water hand, the never-ending staircase, and none of it was explained.

Things are just as mysterious as they were in #1, just because rules haven't been shown, doesn't mean there aren't any.

I'm not talking about the magical representation. I am talking about the actual magic that makes the book happen, the spells that Tommy and the folks from the society cast.

I'm sorry but Carey reverted to his most base writing here and just threw everything in.

What really appealed to me with the first five issues was that he was being methodical with the narrative. He used the first issue to develop Tom as a semi-celebrity due to the books. Then the second issue made you question what was real. The the third and fourth dealt with the house and the fifth with Kipling (which went a long way for defining the magic, read it again...) the magic in that issue is deliberate, the magic in the issues previous, deliberate, here it is literally all over the place. My biggest problem is with Frank, where the fuck has he been this whole time. It all may have supposed to have been mystery Frank's disappearance, the tat's disappearing and reappearing, the fucker at the end with his kids, instead it just pissed me off.

I will give this book another issue. But to be honest it kind of feels like House of Mystery where it has just gotten out of hand.

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:I'm not talking about the magical representation. I am talking about the actual magic that makes the book happen, the spells that Tommy and the folks from the society cast.

I'm sorry but Carey reverted to his most base writing here and just threw everything in.

What really appealed to me with the first five issues was that he was being methodical with the narrative. He used the first issue to develop Tom as a semi-celebrity due to the books. Then the second issue made you question what was real. The the third and fourth dealt with the house and the fifth with Kipling (which went a long way for defining the magic, read it again...) the magic in that issue is deliberate, the magic in the issues previous, deliberate, here it is literally all over the place. My biggest problem is with Frank, where the fuck has he been this whole time. It all may have supposed to have been mystery Frank's disappearance, the tat's disappearing and reappearing, the fucker at the end with his kids, instead it just pissed me off.

I will give this book another issue. But to be honest it kind of feels like House of Mystery where it has just gotten out of hand.

I think House Of Mystery is a great book.

I really don't see any difference between the Magic in this issue, and previous instalments.

They said Frankenstein's Monster had been asleep in the Villa, but he was awoken by the events in #4.

Staff Writer

thefourthman wrote:I'm not talking about the magical representation. I am talking about the actual magic that makes the book happen, the spells that Tommy and the folks from the society cast.

I'm sorry but Carey reverted to his most base writing here and just threw everything in.

What really appealed to me with the first five issues was that he was being methodical with the narrative. He used the first issue to develop Tom as a semi-celebrity due to the books. Then the second issue made you question what was real. The the third and fourth dealt with the house and the fifth with Kipling (which went a long way for defining the magic, read it again...) the magic in that issue is deliberate, the magic in the issues previous, deliberate, here it is literally all over the place. My biggest problem is with Frank, where the fuck has he been this whole time. It all may have supposed to have been mystery Frank's disappearance, the tat's disappearing and reappearing, the fucker at the end with his kids, instead it just pissed me off.

I will give this book another issue. But to be honest it kind of feels like House of Mystery where it has just gotten out of hand.

I think House Of Mystery is a great book.

I really don't see any difference between the Magic in this issue, and previous instalments.

They said Frankenstein's Monster had been asleep in the Villa, but he was awoken by the events in #4.

Outhouse Editor

And even if it is just for Series novels, then surely it's even more apt for The Unwritten? It's a series isn't it?

some.

sure, and I would have no problem at all with those two pages being in the trade paperback. In the comic they just piss me off from the get go. (However, y the time I got to France I was ready to love the book again only to watch my goodwill be squandered even further)

Carey has proven himself time and time again to be a shitty writer to me and that is why I stay the fuck away from Lucifer. That much of him would drive me batty.

And even if it is just for Series novels, then surely it's even more apt for The Unwritten? It's a series isn't it?

some.

sure, and I would have no problem at all with those two pages being in the trade paperback. In the comic they just piss me off from the get go. (However, y the time I got to France I was ready to love the book again only to watch my goodwill be squandered even further)

Carey has proven himself time and time again to be a shitty writer to me and that is why I stay the fuck away from Lucifer. That much of him would drive me batty.