Nothing It followed on from P115, the last of the H16s. The three P126 chassis were built for BRM by Len Terry's Transatlantic Automotive Consultants. When BRM built their own versions they were designated P133, and these were followed in BRM's F1 hierarchy by the P138 and P139.

Nothing It followed on from P115, the last of the H16s. The three P126 chassis were built for BRM by Len Terry's Transatlantic Automotive Consultants. When BRM built their own versions they were designated P133, and these were followed in BRM's F1 hierarchy by the P138 and P139.

I didn't think the 1999 event could have been improved on. But it was - in spades ! I was stood amongst a group of Bourne locals who didn't really know much about racing but thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated seeing a bit about their town's history brought to life - I'm sure that gained the sport some new fans.

The sounds, smells and vibrations running up through your feet (especially with the stack exhaust pipe car) were unforgettable.

Any chance of a 60th bash ?

Did anyone have problems getting out of Raymond Mays Way Park & Ride - it was a wee bit slippery when I left ?

The sounds, smells and vibrations running up through your feet (especially with the stack exhaust pipe car) were unforgettable.

Any chance of a 60th bash ?

Did anyone have problems getting out of Raymond Mays Way Park & Ride - it was a wee bit slippery when I left ?

I was a bit dubious when we were ushered into the car park and the digger was spreading sand along the entrance, fortunately the weather appears to have played into the hands of the organisers after a night of heavy rain.

Frank Zappa once made the observation that just because your in a minority of one does not necessarily mean you are wrong, I notice that respected TNFer Wouter Melissen refers to Julian Pearson's car as a Type 25 does anybody out there agree with him or is it really a P25 ?

Authoritative references would be appreciated since this is a case of one mans voice against the rest of the internet and all the information available from Bourne on the day

Answers maybe credited and used in a forthcoming blog.

Thanking you in anticipation of your responses.

EDIT IGNORE THIS QUESTION TIM HAS ALREADY ANSWERED IT IN A PREVIOUS POST !

EDIT IGNORE THIS QUESTION TIM HAS ALREADY ANSWERED IT IN A PREVIOUS POST !

Thanks Ralph, but in case anyone still has doubts, here's what Doug has posted here on the subject in the past:

Dave - I think I told you that story about the Dutch GP winning car - like, between ourselves, mate...

I don't think the story really stood up to scrutiny when I double-checked it. But a good mischievous mechanic's story nonetheless, one of millions...

Even if the car's identity had been in REAL doubt - and it was certainly '258' in my mind* - there is no doubt that Spencer's car was the sole BRM-built genuine survivor of the type - as (I fear) the magnesium fire at Phillip Island has so sickeningly confirmed.

And I emphasise it should be 'Type 25' NOT 'P'25 as has become normal useage...and as I have written myself before I learned the error of my ways...for which, again, I apologise to all.

Karl - whose serious work I so hugely admire, having prefaced my very first letter to him long ago with the words "if a cat can look at a King...", which I really meant - deserves the credit for pointing out to us all, way back when, that 'W163' was a misnomer for the 'W154' Mercedes-Benz fitted with 'M163' engine under the marque's 1939 bodyform.

Well in my minor way I'm preaching Type 25 instead of P25 where BRMs are concerned.

The first five cars built used semi-monocoque stressed-skin panelled centre sections. They were nicknamed 'The Over-Stressed Skin Specials' by the team. They were then replaced by an evolutionary multi-tubular chassis structure with all-detachable body panels - apart from the spoon-shaped semi-stressed undertray - which retained the Project 27 internal classification, though v. different from the original design under that number.

The cars - assembled from P25 engine and P27 chassis frame - should properly be referred to as the 'Type 25'.

In period, they were known by most people as neither P25, nor P27, nor PS, PT, PTFE nor Type anything...they were just 'the BRM' or 'the 4-cylinder BRM' or 'the 2 1/2-litre BRM'.

Fans like us just didn't develop anoraksia nervosa over type numbers then.

I think I was one of the very first ever to quote 'BT' Brabham type designations in print, in an F2 review in 'Motor Racing' magazine, I think in 1964. Until that time Lotus digital model numbers or '250F' were about the only ones that were at all familiar...check the magazine record to see... Coopers tended to be described as 'Lowline' or '1959-type'....the internal model classifications T43, T51, T53, T53P were first exposed, publicised and then adopted by 'us' years after the cars were current.

*I first saw '258' on display in the Montagu Motor Museum at Beaulieu around 1960-61, with a perspex engine cover permitting sight of the works beneath. When I examined it thoroughly prior to its sale by Christie's in 1981 the only chassis identity was '27/3' lightly stamped low down into one frame tube in the cockpit. Think about it - new Type 27 multi-tubular spaceframe chassis number '3'. '251' to '255' had been stressed-skin cars, so '256', '257' and '258' were the first, second and third tube-frame versions...i.e. '27/3'. Magnesium alloy - elektron - body. Lovely jubbly... but not, I fear, any more...

I hope this clarifies some of these matters.

DCN

And...of course...termination of employment was marked by a P45...

BUT the P25 was the 4-cylinder 2 1/2-litre engine project - the chassis propelled by that engine were built under the P27 heading - BUT the combination complete car was the BRM TYPE 25...as previously explained here.

DCN

Sorry fellers - I was one of the first to start using the 'P25' designation but I was also the first to appreicate I'd cocked it up. The chassis design was allocated P27, the engine only was P25. The overall car combination of P25 engine and P27 chassis then became the 'Type 25' 2.5-litre Fomrula 1 car.

Way back in the very first post of this thread, Ralf gave us the link to the 'BRM Day' website. The website's 'Gallery' section is now filling up with lots of interesting (uncaptioned) photos, and there is a facility for anyone who wishes to contribute some of their own.

My home video of Sunday's events. It's a bit shaky, but I think you'll enjoy the soundtrack!

I did manage to capture a bit of a "moment" in North Street, when a P153 met a P160 (I think) travelling in the opposite direction, outside Smith's (named after my family's grocery business).

What a great day - congratulations to all involved in the organisation and running of the event.

How absolutely wonderful! Many, many thanks.I was a youthful ORMA member in 1963, remaining until my hero NGH broke ranks to join the arch enemy at Cheshunt. I would have absolutely loved to be there last week-end.Thanks again.

Good photos Jerry / Erin of a welcome reunion! Nice to see Tim Parnell. Was he able to take part in the parade? Perhaps we missed him, although at least we have a good shot of him from 1999, with the rest of the guys. Roll on 2022 - 60 years since the Championship, 50 years since the last GP win!

As a long time BRM supporter, may I thank everyone for posting their photos of this event; especially the ones that show the correct shade of green. Many colour photos in the 60s showed the green as dark blue (or even taupe ).
Alan

It's now just over 12 months since Bourne hosted their BRM celebrations. The other week I was googling BRM and the BRMDay website came up. They had a DVD and programme from the day available at £10 & £5 respectively. So I had one of each sent out to Oz.

They arrived this week and are nice items for those who either weren't able to make it or those who were and wouldn't mind a copy anyway. The DVD goes for nearly 1 hour and covers various facets of making the event happen, period footage from 1962 and the goings on from the event with interviews with Damon Hill, Sir Jackie Stewart, Howden Ganley, Rick Hall, etc.

To procure, you'll need to go to www.brmassociation.org though. Although the old brmday.co.uk address will redirect you.

The programme says that Henri Pescarolo was to drive John Fenning's P201, can anyone confirm if it actually was Pesca in the green helmet???

# 27 : 153-003

Copyright Luc Ghys

RobJohn Fenning drove P153 #27Max

Looks like John Fenning most likely was driving his #15 BRM P201/5 at Bourne on BRM Day as per programme, but much googling under BRM, BRM Day, BRM P201 and McCaw has not helped me to establish who was, TBA per programme, driving the car listed as Bruce McCaw P201/1