"nose maturity"

Have you ever on your fragrance journey come to a point where your nose reaches a level of "maturity"? What I mean is have you come to a point where you crave well composed 5 star fragrances and your whole style changes? I feel like I am at that point. I don't know if its because I'm getting older or what. All I know is all the sweet, lady killers and generic mainstream fragrances make me gag now. Fragrances I NEVER would have worn years ago, I am truly entranced by. I don't care anymore if other people smell what I'm wearing. I don't care "which frag gets you the most compliments". Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox, tell me if you've ever experienced this, or tell me I'm nuts, just give some feedback. Thanks!!!

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Preference. It seems as though I was searching, searching, searching and now I feel(after a good amount of money) that I at least know what my preferences are. I know I still have a loooooooong way to go, but at least I'm headed in the right direction!

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One thing I've found is that my sensitivity changes significantly for no apparent reason, so that will affect my perception. Some days a spray to the chest with vintage Kouros is not an issue whereas other times it's too much, for example. Another example is castoreum, which I often find sickening in large amounts but not always. Another thing I've noticed recently is that when I first sample a scent the sweet aspects seem stronger than in subsequent wearings, so I have to take this into account as well (and it might change at some point, for all I know).

However, I don't dislike all "cheapos," and in fact it often seems like the perfumer had a good idea (though the ingredient quality may not be what it needs to be). There was a stage during which I didn't like simple scents but now variety seems to be what I'm seeking though I certainly usually prefer more complex ones. Remember that complexity can come from the inherent characteristics of the ingredients or from a bunch of notes composed well. There are many patchouli and amber/vanilla scents, for example, but that comes across (to me) as simplistic, whereas good quality sandalwood can seem quite complex.

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I don't know about 'nose maturity' but I would say my nose is a lot more 'sensitive' ever since I started really exploring fragrances. Scents I used to enjoy don't smell the same or as 'great' as I used to think they were and I'm picking up various notes I never paid attention to or noticed previously.

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I have more specific fragrance tastes now, more targeted and more strict fragrance requirements, but even though I had my fair share of fragrances tested and purchased, I cannot actually say whether my nose has actually matured. My nose is, in many ways, still eager for lots of fragrance experiences, almost irrespective how random, unsolicited, non-generic, non-linear etc. they are.

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I think "nose maturity" comes when you find you're comfortable with your own taste and stop worrying about what others would consider "5 stars."

+1. Well said. '5 Star' is just another point on the spectrum.

The next phase comes when you are able to appreciate and enjoy the simpler cheapies and would have a place for them right next to your more complex/ rare/ expensive 5-Star masterpieces. Only then can you consider yourself approaching a rather liberating state of fragrance enlightenment.

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Originally Posted by FISS80

Have you ever on your fragrance journey come to a point where your nose reaches a level of "maturity"? What I mean is have you come to a point where you crave well composed 5 star fragrances and your whole style changes? I feel like I am at that point. I don't know if its because I'm getting older or what. All I know is all the sweet, lady killers and generic mainstream fragrances make me gag now. Fragrances I NEVER would have worn years ago, I am truly entranced by. I don't care anymore if other people smell what I'm wearing. I don't care "which frag gets you the most compliments". Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox, tell me if you've ever experienced this, or tell me I'm nuts, just give some feedback. Thanks!!!

To me, nose maturity occurs when suddenly one realises that Cool Water doesn't smell anything like Green Irish Tweed, despite having posted here on various occasions that they were almost exactly the same.

However, what you seem to be describing is one's nose suddenly becoming snobby. It seems to affect small groups at Basenotes who suddenly start wearing unisex niche scents or women's scents.

It helps to try bring some objectivity back. What you need to ask yourself is whether or not acknowledged perfume experts like Luca Turin or Michael Edwards would have started rating all those designer scents that you suddenly don't like at zero stars, when their noses had "matured".
Regards,
Renato

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Originally Posted by Kagey

I think "nose maturity" comes when you find you're comfortable with your own taste and stop worrying about what others would consider "5 stars."

I agree with your comment as you can see with my comment earlier. It feels good to finally realize what I enjoy. I could care less what others consider "5 star fragrances". I guess I used the wrong phrase in expressing my thoughts. I only use others' perception of fragrance as A guide, not THE guide. Thank you for your response.

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I don't think my *nose* has matured but as I continue to try more and more fragrances over the years I have indeed become more demanding due to finding scents that specifically appeal to my tastes that I never knew existed. Once I have sniffed those it is indeed difficult to go back to others that would have previously "made the grade". That said, my actual preferences really have not changed much from 20+ years ago.

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Originally Posted by Renato

To me, nose maturity occurs when suddenly one realises that Cool Water doesn't smell anything like Green Irish Tweed, despite having posted here on various occasions that they were almost exactly the same.

However, what you seem to be describing is one's nose suddenly becoming snobby. It seems to affect small groups at Basenotes who suddenly start wearing unisex niche scents or women's scents.

It helps to try bring some objectivity back. What you need to ask yourself is whether or not acknowledged perfume experts like Luca Turin or Michael Edwards would have started rating all those designer scents that you suddenly don't like at zero stars, when their noses had "matured".
Regards,
Renato

I realized a long time ago that Cool Water does not smell like GIT, or Le Male doesnt smell like Reflection Man, or Unforgiveable doesnt smell like MIP, or Rochas Man doesnt smell like New Haarlem, or Pure Malt doesnt smell like Frapin 1270, or any other other designer fragrances that have similiarities to niche. As far as the unisex niche scents or womens scents comment, I actually had no problem wearing these types of fragrances before and now I am liking more of the mature masculine scents that I used to detest. The word "designer" was never referenced in my comment. I have great love and respect for a number of designer fragrances to include: dior fahrenheit, dior homme, A*men, Prada Amber Pour Homme, LLAM, and Body Kouros to name a few. Not to mention Guerlain classics whether they be new or vintage. Thank you for your response.

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Originally Posted by drseid

I don't think my *nose* has matured but as I continue to try more and more fragrances over the years I have indeed become more demanding due to finding scents that specifically appeal to my tastes that I never knew existed. Once I have sniffed those it is indeed difficult to go back to others that would have previously "made the grade". That said, my actual preferences really have not changed much from 20+ years ago.

I suppose that what I am referencing when I say "matured". As I sniff more and more dynamic and complex fragrances, the ones that I used to think were great are only average at best. I believe its not just dynamics and complexities that are in question however, because I sniffed M and Black Afgano and no longer enjoyed Jubilation XXV, which I know is a great frag, but it does nothing for me anymore. It sat in my mini fridge for a full year before I gave it away on the free thread. Thank you very much for your response.

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Originally Posted by Diamondflame

+1. Well said. '5 Star' is just another point on the spectrum.

The next phase comes when you are able to appreciate and enjoy the simpler cheapies and would have a place for them right next to your more complex/ rare/ expensive 5-Star masterpieces. Only then can you consider yourself approaching a rather liberating state of fragrance enlightenment.

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I dip in and out of designer fragrances -- trying to find a nice one, but I rarely purchase. Maybe 2 or 3 a year. I have basically got used to luxurious and niche fragrances and these are what I like best. If you drive a Bentley (I don't), why would you be looking for a Ford Hatchback for your next purchase (if you didn't have to). I'd rather spend my money on a couple of drop-dead gorgeous scents than half a dozen mall juices. Nose maturity? Not sure, sounds a bit pretentious, but maybe.

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Yip, experienced this just the other day when I picked up my Chergui sample that I had dismissed about a year earlier. Can't get enough of it now but didn't get it at first.

Originally Posted by FISS80

Have you ever on your fragrance journey come to a point where your nose reaches a level of "maturity"? What I mean is have you come to a point where you crave well composed 5 star fragrances and your whole style changes? I feel like I am at that point. I don't know if its because I'm getting older or what. All I know is all the sweet, lady killers and generic mainstream fragrances make me gag now. Fragrances I NEVER would have worn years ago, I am truly entranced by. I don't care anymore if other people smell what I'm wearing. I don't care "which frag gets you the most compliments". Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox, tell me if you've ever experienced this, or tell me I'm nuts, just give some feedback. Thanks!!!

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Familiarity breeds contempt. Variety is the spice of life. That's why we have the Kamasutra. Off-road driving brings a different joy than cruising in a Bentley. Who's to say which activity is the more pleasurable?

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Originally Posted by FISS80

I realized a long time ago that Cool Water does not smell like GIT, or Le Male doesnt smell like Reflection Man, or Unforgiveable doesnt smell like MIP, or Rochas Man doesnt smell like New Haarlem, or Pure Malt doesnt smell like Frapin 1270, or any other other designer fragrances that have similiarities to niche. As far as the unisex niche scents or womens scents comment, I actually had no problem wearing these types of fragrances before and now I am liking more of the mature masculine scents that I used to detest. The word "designer" was never referenced in my comment. I have great love and respect for a number of designer fragrances to include: dior fahrenheit, dior homme, A*men, Prada Amber Pour Homme, LLAM, and Body Kouros to name a few. Not to mention Guerlain classics whether they be new or vintage. Thank you for your response.

Fair enough.
But you now have me somewhat nonplussed.
Could you please be a bit more explicit about which are the " sweet, lady killers and generic mainstream fragrances" that make you gag now? As, given your response, I'm really not sure what you are referring to.
Regards,
Renato

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Originally Posted by Diamondflame

Familiarity breeds contempt. Variety is the spice of life. That's why we have the Kamasutra. Off-road driving brings a different joy than cruising in a Bentley. Who's to say which activity is the more pleasurable?

Excellent Point.

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Originally Posted by Renato

Fair enough.
But you now have me somewhat nonplussed.
Could you please be a bit more explicit about which are the " sweet, lady killers and generic mainstream fragrances" that make you gag now? As, given your response, I'm really not sure what you are referring to.
Regards,
Renato

I was referring to fragrances like Le Male, Rochas Man, Givenchy Play Intense, and 1 Million to name a few....

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Originally Posted by Kaern

I dip in and out of designer fragrances -- trying to find a nice one, but I rarely purchase. Maybe 2 or 3 a year. I have basically got used to luxurious and niche fragrances and these are what I like best. If you drive a Bentley (I don't), why would you be looking for a Ford Hatchback for your next purchase (if you didn't have to). I'd rather spend my money on a couple of drop-dead gorgeous scents than half a dozen mall juices. Nose maturity? Not sure, sounds a bit pretentious, but maybe.

It does sound quite prententious but what else would you call it?

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Originally Posted by Mr G

Yip, experienced this just the other day when I picked up my Chergui sample that I had dismissed about a year earlier. Can't get enough of it now but didn't get it at first.

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I don't think I will ever develop this nose maturity you speak of. I say that just because I look at other aspects of my life, like my taste in music. I still enjoy mainstream electronic even after years of delving into the lesser known. I notice that I may enjoy complexity, or uniqueness, because as humans we crave something new. But I imagine my taste in simplicity, even mainstream/generic will never go away.

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Originally Posted by Ryan1411

I don't think I will ever develop this nose maturity you speak of. I say that just because I look at other aspects of my life, like my taste in music. I still enjoy mainstream electronic even after years of delving into the lesser known. I notice that I may enjoy complexity, or uniqueness, because as humans we crave something new. But I imagine my taste in simplicity, even mainstream/generic will never go away.

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For me, it's an increased sensitivity to many synthetic aromachemicals... when they are used in a clumsy manner (most frags) they annoy me. Most designer frags are annoyingly synthetic, and many niche as well like Amouage, who combine very nice natural topnotes with awful synthetic bases. I still enjoy trying out different frags but I have gone from liking maybe 5% of what I try out to less than 1%.

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Originally Posted by FISS80

I was referring to fragrances like Le Male, Rochas Man, Givenchy Play Intense, and 1 Million to name a few....

I can't really say I see a significant difference between these ones and the ones that you admire - A*Men and Body Kouros.
Though I can understand how one can easily tire of some of the sweeter scents, particularly with multiple wears in a short time period.
Regards,
Renato

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Originally Posted by Renato

I can't really say I see a significant difference between these ones and the ones that you admire - A*Men and Body Kouros.
Though I can understand how one can easily tire of some of the sweeter scents, particularly with multiple wears in a short time period.
Regards,
Renato

So you mean to tell me that there is not a significant difference between A*men and Rochas Man? Or Body Kouros and 1 million?

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Originally Posted by Diamondflame

Familiarity breeds contempt. Variety is the spice of life. That's why we have the Kamasutra. Off-road driving brings a different joy than cruising in a Bentley. Who's to say which activity is the more pleasurable?

You misunderstand me. I wasn't referring to the activity inside the car, but the quality of the car itself. Your 2 cliches don't apply either -- there is plenty of 'variety' in niche fragrances to see me out.