I do not know whether these separtist groups have been under the radar, existing for a period of time, or whether more of these groups are being established to express disappointment and frustration with the government.

"Yeah, tell that to the Confederacy. Seems they got whomped for that."

Well, tell THAT to the Founding Fathers. They were the ultimate seapartists...good thing for us they were.

In fact one of the Founding Fathers (I cannot recall which one - no coffee yet), said that on occasion revolution is needed.

We were established as a Representative Republic. Those that wished to transfer power from the public to the government, via the mob, manipulated the citizens into accepting the falsehood that America is a Democracy.

We were established as a Representative Republic. We are so far from a Constitutionally Functioning government that it would be impossible to return. I'm just trying to figure out the best position to be in when it all washes out.

OK, Thanks. I was unaware of that. I could make the case that there is nothing in our Constitution that would prevent a state from leaving, except the raw brute force of those who stayed. As we found out down here a while back.

I was unaware that Texas left that option documented when they joined.

Interesting. What legally allows Texas while prohibiting the rest of us?

Texas was its own country for a while. It gave up its sovereignty when it joined the Union, but reserved the right to leave. I don't believe that has changed, the Civil War notwithstanding. As such, Texas has considerably different circumstances than the rest of the states.

"I'm just trying to figure out the best poition to be in when it all washes out."

I think the position would be that of grabbing your ankles or getting on all fours.

I do agree with the fact that America will not return to that of a constitutionally functioning Representative Republic. Most Americans are too lazy and weak...not to far removed from Romans in the fading days of the empire.

Maybe we ought to try it for a grace period, say, 2008. We take all the NE liberal states, Illinois, California (or at least parts like San Francisco) and tell them that they can succeed for a trail grace period in 2008. During this time they cannot receive any Federal money (but they must continue to pay taxes), they cannot vote, cannot send reps or Senators to Congress...etc... Then after 2008, we revoke the grace period and deny the succession. Republicans win by a landslide in 2008.

Very few topics evoke intense emotions like this one. Most people immediately posture themselves into the position where they are defending the government that we currently have, and anyone who doesn't support them is the enemy. Those who are dismantling our beloved nation count on this response because it provides good people, (who normally would stop them) with a different enemy. I love my country. My family (like many others) has sacrificed many family members from the Revolution to Vietnam, with many serving in both Gulf wars (fortunately we haven't lost any in the Gulf yet). I myself have served my time. By causing this "rally the wagons" mentality, our enemies have essentially free reign to do as they want. I long for our Republic where we enjoyed liberty not because the central government allows it, but because they were powerless to prevent it. Now we still enjoy relative freedom but it is much like living under a good king - times may be good, but you are still a subject. Back in the late 60's and early 70's when I grew up, the trap had been set already, but the electorate still could have regained control. It is too late now. I'm not sure what form our government will take after the metamorphosis is finished. I suspect it will be a mixture, sort of a democratic, socialist something, with the "electorate" given a choice between socialists so the illusion of liberty still exists.

Hmm, if they get state legislature approval, I say Congress should let VT go: good bye Socialist Congressman, Patrick Leahy and 'jumpin' Jim'.

It's a small thing, but it makes our majorities larger. We could let MN go too, but the rest of the blue states we keep (though we can encourage California to let the Bay Area seceed from the state and the Union, and we could let a few Indian reservations that vote demonRAT have full sovereignty.)

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posted on 11/08/2005 8:00:58 AM PST
by The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)

I couldn't agree more. Whatever principles true conservatives cling to, principles that will not be compromised, will be relegated to the bench. One, because by and large, people to the left of genuine conservatives have no principles. Two, moderates and "compassionate" conservatives will surrender theirs for the good of the party, even if that means putting the Republican party on life support.

Yes, I find it humorous that there are conservatives who deride and laugh at liberals who launch personal attacks due to lack of sound, factual argument. Then on the other hand, attack fellow conservatives who shine a light on serious (or dangerous) breeches within the Republican party.

Lately, I have been called a "dummie" and a "troll" by "GloriaJane".

Read the posts exchanged between herself and me under the article: Given the mainstream media, it's a wonder Republicans win anything... (the title is close enough...I think you may have posted responses there).

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