optikeye:You do know porn reality and reality reality are different things. If it wasn't the cable would never be fixed.

Exactly.

I was an athlete in HS and part of college. And in college I lived in a fraternity with no shower dividers. Granted, I was still closeted back then, but it was never really an issue for me. Never had a surprise boner. Somehow managed to avoid involuntarily bending over and yelling "STICK IT IN!"

We've been sharing locker rooms and showers with you since secondary school. We didn't suddenly appear in a cloud of glitter. We've been here the whole time. You'll get used to living with the realization of that fact and you'll survive. Nothing else is changing.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

I think I can remember back to High School gym days and state that locker rooms are hideous dens of germs, ball and ass stank, green arm pit haze and literally an assault on every olfactory sensor in the human body.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

so then ladies won't mind showering with a straight male if none of them are what he is looking for? I agree that this isn't a real issue. but to assume that gay/lesbians don't benefit from showering with the sex they find attractive is giving them way too much credit.

One would hope the straight males in question are goddamn adults, and if they're competitive athletes... ya, the same should hold true... if you go to the locker room with enough energy for anything other than a shower, you've failed, you're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

So long as the guy isn't taking up space on the bench that I need to put my clothes while I change, I could care less if he was jerking it; it did bother me occasionally that guys I swam with did jerk it in the changing room but that was because they were either unattractive, or doing it in the least attractive way possible.

Summoner101:If it's that much of an issue, you'd think an NFL team could afford seperate stalls

this is where I get stuck. if you are worried about others seeing you naked (gay or straight) then cover up. if that isn't possible because of the property configuration..... well then you need to biatch at them not at gay people.

mostly good letter, i wish it was a bit more honest though. if a guy was coming out of a practice and said it was fine for him to shower with females because he was too tired to check them out people would laugh there ass off at him. the same for the 'well its a professional thing and no one would want a sexual relationship with anyone they work with' thing. while in theory we can all get behind that, the idea that coworkers never date or desire each other is rediculous.

I guess in short this shouldn't be a big deal and if it is its not the gay folks fault. they should say that though, don't bullshiat us with 'well omg I will be too tired and no one ever wants to fark people they work with!'

Just getting clean, getting dry, and putting on deodorant are your only top priorities.

When in the shower the male libido suddenly gets out prioritized? I mean, sure, you got things you need to do in there, and you do not find %100 of the other naked wet bodies to be sexually attractive. There'd be only, lets say, %30 you would consider making rhythmic slapping sounds with. But once you catch a whiff of bengay, there's no going back.

Anderson's Pooper:As a friend of mine who coached girl's high school basketball once said, "The problem isn't having a homosexual in the locker room. The problem is when you have two or more, and they're dating."

Nurglitch:So long as the guy isn't taking up space on the bench that I need to put my clothes while I change, I could care less if he was jerking it; it did bother me occasionally that guys I swam with did jerk it in the changing room but that was because they were either unattractive, or doing it in the least attractive way possible.

Waldo Pepper:in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area. I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

I don't that your question is necessarily a bad one. However, I think most folks who say that stuff are using it as a cover for more homophobic feelings.

Seriously though, if you are paying hundreds of millions for a stadium (or a billion in the case of Jerry World), is that hard to add private-ish showers to the locker room? If LA Fitness can do that crap, so can the NFL.

Waldo Pepper:in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area. I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

id like to hear a good answer to this too. I don't have one. I just view it similar to a situation like if a hs/college or whatever didn't have a women's locker room so they just don't let them play sports. I can see how it could be an issue, but the issue isn't that gay folks want to be treated fairly and equally, its that those hs's/colleges/whatever aren't designed to provide privacy.

it provides an interesting question of why even have mens/women seperation as this gets more common though. I bet we see more unisex areas that just provide good privacy in the future. or people just get over the fact that someone who thinks you are attractive checking you out isn't the end of the world. I think we are a bit behind the rest of the world in that regard.

ladodger34:Waldo Pepper: in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area. I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

I don't that your question is necessarily a bad one. However, I think most folks who say that stuff are using it as a cover for more homophobic feelings.

Seriously though, if you are paying hundreds of millions for a stadium (or a billion in the case of Jerry World), is that hard to add private-ish showers to the locker room? If LA Fitness can do that crap, so can the NFL.

you are probably right on the homophobic thing but dismissing the question because of that doesn't really help anything. moving to a resolution on issues like that are possible (as you note about private stalls), but ignoring the question just causes these dumb ass issues to linger on.

Waldo Pepper:in all seriousness why is a straight man not wanting to shower in the same shower room as a gay man any different than a straight woman not wanting to shower in the same shower as a straight man?

I don't mean this in some stupid homophobic reasoning but a true a person's comfort area. I think we have hit upon areas that might cause some concern.

Personally I think men and women should shower together, too. Get over you puritanical discomfort with the human body.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

so then ladies won't mind showering with a straight male if none of them are what he is looking for? I agree that this isn't a real issue. but to assume that gay/lesbians don't benefit from showering with the sex they find attractive is giving them way too much credit.

One would hope the straight males in question are goddamn adults, and if they're competitive athletes... ya, the same should hold true... if you go to the locker room with enough energy for anything other than a shower, you've failed, you're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

or you're a kicker. what about high scho ...

Even if you don't make it to the pro's, a competitive mindset is a competitive mindset... your focus is on the game... when you get to the locker room, your brain is still in competition mode. Look, if they were showering at home, a la Tom Brady-Peter Griffin, that'd be one thing... no stress, not in game mentality... but right after a game, that's just not where your mind is at. Same thing goes for the military, if you can't focus because you can't get your mind off of where some other dude's dick goes at night, the problem is you, not him.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

so then ladies won't mind showering with a straight male if none of them are what he is looking for? I agree that this isn't a real issue. but to assume that gay/lesbians don't benefit from showering with the sex they find attractive is giving them way too much credit.

One would hope the straight males in question are goddamn adults, and if they're competitive athletes... ya, the same should hold true... if you go to the locker room with enough energy for anything other than a shower, you've failed, you're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

or you're a kicker. what a ...

dude you really need to get off the "mindset" of competitive athletes. you don't think if those showers were filled with playboy bunnies when the team hit the shower some of those "competitive athletes" couldn't find the energy to "enjoy them"

not to mention the question goes far beyond top level competitive athletes, as you and I both have noticed. a junior high student isn't going to be in 'omg I have the focus of a world class athlete and just destoyred myself from my efforts so I'm not in sexy mood' after an hour of dodgeball in gym class.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

so then ladies won't mind showering with a straight male if none of them are what he is looking for? I agree that this isn't a real issue. but to assume that gay/lesbians don't benefit from showering with the sex they find attractive is giving them way too much credit.

One would hope the straight males in question are goddamn adults, and if they're competitive athletes... ya, the same should hold true... if you go to the locker room with enough energy for anything other than a shower, you've failed, you're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

...

A Jr. High Student is gonna be horny if you put him in a shower alone, it doesn't really matter with whom you put those raging little balls of hormones, they're just gonna be horny no matter what. That said, I don't recall, in Jr. High, anyone giving a fark what my orientation was, because oddly enough even Jr. highschoolers aren't quite the dickbags many adults are.

As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

so then ladies won't mind showering with a straight male if none of them are what he is looking for? I agree that this isn't a real issue. but to assume that gay/lesbians don't benefit from showering with the sex they find attractive is giving them way too much credit.

One would hope the straight males in question are goddamn adults, and if they're competitive athletes... ya, the same should hold true... if you go to the locker room with enough energy for anything other than a shower, you've failed, you're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

...

A Jr. High Student is gonna be horny if you put him in a shower alone, it doesn't really matter with whom you put those raging little balls of hormones, they're just gonna be horny no matter what. That said, I don't recall, in Jr. High, anyone giving a fark what my orientation was, because oddly enough even Jr. highschoolers aren't quite the dickbags many adults are.

you suppose having junior high girls and boys showering together would be acceptable then?

Waldo Pepper:ask jr high school girls that same question and i bet you get a totally different answer. better question. would you want a 13 year straight middle school boy showering in the same shower with your 13 year daughter and changing clothes right beside her in the locker room

I wouldn't want my 13 year old daughter getting married, driving a car, drinking alcohol, or moving to her own apartment either. I think you can see the flaw in your argument.