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I'm not knocking grasses in general. I eat plenty of animals raised exclusively on them (or the byproducts of them).

My beef (pun intended) is specifically relating to "cereal grasses" which are all grains. Feeding animals (including humans) a diet of these types of "grasses" is simply not natural. I understand them just fine. I also understand the "risks" of not eating "cereal grasses" and believe the benefits of not consuming them to be greater than any potential issues.

I understand that you have decided to consume them, and that's fine. I would never tell you not to. Your diet isn't my place to pass judgement.

But I would hope you wouldn't try to force your opinions on me either. Just as your diet isn't my place, neither is my diet yours.

We can debate the merits of consuming or not consuming such substances, but let us never ascend the pedestal of a dietary preacher.

"The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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So what you're saying is, we should all go out to pasture and start eating some grass and all will be well?

Im saying grasses are better than grains.
wheatgrass and barley grass are: the young grasses of fully-sprouted wheat and barley grains that have not yet matured enough to form grains of their own. That why cows choose grass over grains, nutrionally speaking they are better.
sprouting makes digestion easier and mineral content higher.
raw soaked and sprouted nuts and seeds are better too.

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[QUOTE=Drumroll;1025129]I'm not knocking grasses in general. I eat plenty of animals raised exclusively on them (or the byproducts of them).

like i always say its just friendly.
I just think different about consuming byproducts or derivatives. <<fish oil omega 3 is a derivative(epa dha), the parent form is from Flax Oil is ALA ... The human body normally converts ALA to the longer chain fatty acids EPA and DHA if needed.
Where do you think the cow got its nutrition to build strong bones, from the grass it ate.
Baby calves are weaned off milk and eat grass to grow. not grains, they wont eat them unless they are gonna starve.
you eat 3 grams of wheat grass to get 15 mg of calcium
you have to eat 150 grams of beef to get 15 grams of calcium.
Im just throwing that out there. Im not trying to force anything just discussing my beliefs.
PROS TO BOTH
Many plant-based proteins, are easier for the body to digest than meat proteins.(raw)
Vegetable proteins are lower overall in fat, cholesterol, and calories.
Plant-based proteins generally have more vitamins, minerals, and nutrients than animal proteins do.

Most sources of animal protein are complete proteins, so they provide the body with all essential amino acids.
You need to eat only a small serving of meat to take in a large amount of protein.
Meat protein is widely available, economical, and more commonly eaten.
Vitamin B-12 is almost exclusively available in animal-based proteins.
CONS TO BOTH

Many sources of animal protein are high in saturated fat and cholesterol, which can increase an individual's risk of developing high blood pressure and other serious diseases.
Animal proteins tend to be significantly higher in calories than vegetable proteins.
Besides high protein contents, many animal proteins have weaker nutritional profiles than plant-based proteins.

Some vegetable proteins are more expensive and harder to find than meat proteins.
Most vegetable proteins don't offer as many protein grams per ounce as meat proteins.
It can be difficult to get enough vitamin B-12, especially for vegans, from solely plant-based proteins.

they BOTH are great in my book (BALANCE)(MODERATION)
WELL THATS If the soil has the nutrients, sick soil causes sick plants, which causes sick animals, which causes sick human beings.

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I'll just say I choose not to consume flax due to being one of the highest phytoestrogens containing plants, possibly even surpassing soy in that regards and it turns rancid almost immediately if cooked. And yes, the body can convert SOME ALA into the bio available forms needed by humans, but this is relatively low and not nearly equal to the amount of ALA actually in the flax seed. Conversion of ALA to DHA and EPA is not 1:1. So you can't say that if you consume a gram of ALA you've consumed a gram of omega-3. You haven't, because your body won't convert all of it. The conversion process is relatively inefficient which is why fish, krill, and even some phytoplankton/algae oils are better omega-3 sources. Your body can immediately use those omega-3s as no conversion is necessary.

And even if plant proteins are easier to digest, you'd have to eat so much bulk from them to even get a decent amount of protein that this would be hard, if not simply impractical for most humans.

The saturated fat connection is weak at best, and I believe that due to its decreased tendency to oxidize both while cooking and inside the human body, the reduction of free radicals that cause damage is a great boon to cardiovascular and organ health as well as reduces stress and inflammation on the body over the long term. This is a wonderful benefit to saturated fats that often gets ignored and may override any potential "risks" to consuming them.

Fat is pretty dang saturating in my experience that I am ironically, more likely to over-consume on an all veggie diet than I am when I include copious amounts of healthy fats, largely from healthy oils and animal sources.

Anyhow, that's my two cents on the issue.

Eat how you want. I eat tons of plants in my diet too! But I don't agree with a lot of your statements.

"The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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Obviously...what you didn't invest in the extra stomach plan with ruminants upgrade when God asked you? Pfft....read Genesis 6.16....Though shalt upgrade thy digestive track on a lay away plan for six good deeds and a bottle of wine.

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yes for sure,never claiming to be right, just expressing my views, just chatting to someone that seems to care for once, and will listen..... ty well I eat alot of different foods, try to stay as close to nature as possible. I AVOID A LOT: msg, hfcs, soy bean anything unless fermented, pop/soda/caffeine/energy drinks, Sugary juice, breakfest cereal, cows milk, (never >)cigarettes, white flour, white sugar, white salt, never >margarine, veggie oils esp. canola and soy bean, aspartame, anything deep fried or hydrogenated, any farm raised fish or shrimp, try my best > gmo's, dont eat much corn, anything that says enriched or fortified, avoid 30 hidden names of msg lol, anything that has more than 5-7 ingredients,dont drink tap water, anything that has absorbic acid or synthetic inorganic minerals, food coloring, preservatives, natural flavors and spices, cookies, cake, candy, chips, pizza, fast food!! dead food! , no antibiotics, flu shots, pain pills, antacids, no doz, cold meds etc.. I supplement alot!!!! from reputable sources.
Try to buy organic as much as possible, uncured bacon with no bull added, a lot of products i cook with are the real deal.
I mix up all my protein sources and buy mostly organic or wild meats.I use a lot of raw products like kombucha, honey, vinegar. grow a lot of my own herbs and chilis. if youd like to know any of my better choices in any of the ones i avoid i will let you know just ask. or what i supplement.
obv some of these happen, some have never happened, some will never happen again.