Thanks for some input...mine is not severe but definately not a neutral black either. And it looks reddish at any viewing distance. On mixed material though it pretty much looks black..seldom do I think letterbox bars look reddish. So mine might be in the realm of 'normal' for these. I am sure there are varying degrees. Without seeing other ones it's hard to say. Do you have any idea what might be causing some panels to be so much more red??

Did you view dark content or a dark movie in a completely dark room? If not then you aren't going to see it unless the set is REALLY bad. Like I said, mine is only visible in the pitch dark and on the letterbars with dark content. I hate to say it but I kind of feel like more people might have this problem but they watch with some sort of light on or their eyes aren't discerning enough or maybe they just haven't looked for it (which I don't blame them).

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If that were true, 8G kuros should be more red than 9G kuros. Granted, I haven't seen that many kuros, but the ones I have seen - none have had a red tint, 8G or 9G.

Did you view dark content or a dark movie in a completely dark room? If not then you aren't going to see it unless the set is REALLY bad. Like I said, mine is only visible in the pitch dark and on the letterbars with dark content. I hate to say it but I kind of feel like more people might have this problem but they watch with some sort of light on or their eyes aren't discerning enough or maybe they just haven't looked for it (which I don't blame them).

Obviously, I was discerning enough to settle on a kuro, but I'm too blind to be able to tell if blacks appear red with the lights out

Actually, I think at one point I did start to see some odd redness on the black blob startup screen, but I changed up my viewing habits and it disappeared. I forget what I did at the time to get rid of it though.

Did you view dark content or a dark movie in a completely dark room? If not then you aren't going to see it unless the set is REALLY bad. Like I said, mine is only visible in the pitch dark and on the letterbars with dark content. I hate to say it but I kind of feel like more people might have this problem but they watch with some sort of light on or their eyes aren't discerning enough or maybe they just haven't looked for it (which I don't blame them).

I wonder too how many have this but don't notice it. Although AVS'ers tend to be FAR more critical than the average tv owner. It does take a really dark, or totally dark room to notice this issue on my set.

Obviously, I was discerning enough to settle on a kuro, but I'm too blind to be able to tell if blacks appear red with the lights out

Actually, I think at one point I did start to see some odd redness on the black blob startup screen, but I changed up my viewing habits and it disappeared. I forget what I did at the time to get rid of it though.

Mine always has irregular reddish blobs on the initial startup screen before it drops to the next lower black level. Does anyone else see this behavior on their sets?

That's supposed to be a single black blob on a lighter black background.

Yes blobs..irregular shaped reddish patches...and they can be seen even with some room lighting on. As soon as the set drops to the next lower black level they go away. My final black screen is pretty uniform albeit slightly reddish. What do you mean by a single black blob?

I see four different pictures when the set is turned on, the first is solid grey, the second is greyish black with the red tint of death hiding out, the third is greyish blue, the fourth is solid black. I am going to try dlplover's suggestion of "black wash" for several hours a day and see if there is any difference over the next few weeks.

I see four different pictures when the set is turned on, the first is solid grey, the second is greyish black with the red tint of death hiding out, the third is greyish blue, the fourth is solid black. I am going to try dlplover's suggestion of "black wash" for several hours a day and see if there is any difference over the next few weeks.

My step one 'solid grey' is covered in large reddish tinted blobs...has not changed at all in the year I have owned it. I just figured they were all that way..guess not! After startup though it doesn't seem to be an issue. I could take a picture and post if anyone wants to see.

My step one 'solid grey' is covered in large reddish tinted blobs...has not changed at all in the year I have owned it. I just figured they were all that way..guess not! After startup though it doesn't seem to be an issue. I could take a picture and post if anyone wants to see.

Sorry, I should have mentioned this was last night when I was switching inputs. I have seen exactly what you described when first turning the panel on, but on mine it seems to fizzle away before reaching screen two

Sorry, I should have mentioned this was last night when I was switching inputs. I have seen exactly what you described when first turning the panel on, but on mine it seems to fizzle away before reaching screen two

Yes blobs..irregular shaped reddish patches...and they can be seen even with some room lighting on. As soon as the set drops to the next lower black level they go away. My final black screen is pretty uniform albeit slightly reddish. What do you mean by a single black blob?

Big black blob in the center of the screen that seems to spread as black level is initializing.

What startup screen are you guys talking about? I haven't noticed like 4 different screens though. I might know what you are talking about though. When I am using my PS3 to watch a movie I come across something similar. The PS3 is on and when I click "play movie" it switches to a lighter gray screen (no red) and then goes to the deeper black that it stays on for the movie and this is what has the reddish tint. I have never noticed any "blobs" as you guys mention though. Some saying they have red blobs and some saying black. I guess when I first start it up I have darker streaks all over the screen that go away almost immediately (warming up I guess). Maybe these are the "blobs" you guys are talking about? It isn't one big blob though. It is more like a ton of different streaks that are more localized toward the center.

What I don't understand is why it switches between different gray/black levels and what each one is and why only the final one has the red tint (the only one that matters haha)

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I see four different pictures when the set is turned on, the first is solid grey, the second is greyish black with the red tint of death hiding out, the third is greyish blue, the fourth is solid black. I am going to try dlplover's suggestion of "black wash" for several hours a day and see if there is any difference over the next few weeks.

What startup screen are you guys talking about? I haven't noticed like 4 different screens though. I might know what you are talking about though. When I am using my PS3 to watch a movie I come across something similar. The PS3 is on and when I click "play movie" it switches to a lighter gray screen (no red) and then goes to the deeper black that it stays on for the movie and this is what has the reddish tint. I have never noticed any "blobs" as you guys mention though. Some saying they have red blobs and some saying black. I guess when I first start it up I have darker streaks all over the screen that go away almost immediately (warming up I guess). Maybe these are the "blobs" you guys are talking about? It isn't one big blob though. It is more like a ton of different streaks that are more localized toward the center.

Mine are reddish irregular blobs on a dark grey screen when the set is first turned on. There are either 3 or 4 steps to final darkest screen..I need to note more carefully. Weird that different sets act so different at startup. Pioneer's QC wasn't perfect either was it? lol Every new set that is somewhat close in PQ to our Kuros (Sony 929, Sharp Elite etc.) has some sort of issues as well. We may as well be content with what we have for a few more years.

Just got off the phone with an autorized Pioneer repair center, told them the issue, and was told they have run into this with 1 display. The person who actually worked on this display was out of the center when I called, I am waiting for his return call now, I will report back with details.....

Just got off the phone with an autorized Pioneer repair center, told them the issue, and was told they have run into this with 1 display. The person who actually worked on this display was out of the center when I called, I am waiting for his return call now, I will report back with details.....

Awesome..will be interesting to hear if it's a simple fix or requires a new panel..if a new panel we are all out of luck but at least we know where we stand and can stop wondering.

I have a 5080 and when it was new I did feel the reds were slightly stronger than Id like overall but service menu adjustments and regular user settings that I gathered from this forum took care of it. The picture on this set STILL kills everything else I look at no matter what it is. Its scary how good even the "lowly" 5080 is compared to all the hyped-up LEDs and other gimmicky sets out there.

I hope she lasts forever since I aint seen nothing that can replace it!

mikey it sounds like you probably don't have the same issue since you were able to adjust it out. I used to have a 5020 that had a red push but I had it calibrated and it got rid of that. The color temperature was just too low on that set.

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I have a 5080 and when it was new I did feel the reds were slightly stronger than Id like overall but service menu adjustments and regular user settings that I gathered from this forum took care of it. The picture on this set STILL kills everything else I look at no matter what it is. Its scary how good even the "lowly" 5080 is compared to all the hyped-up LEDs and other gimmicky sets out there.

I hope she lasts forever since I aint seen nothing that can replace it!