I got no prollem with queers in the service, so long as nobody gets charged with hate crimes when they beat the shit out of one who wouldn't take no for an answer. I had that happen to me several times and know of others who had it happen to them -- the queer just wouldn't back off.

Camille Paglia makes it clear that queers (men) and lizzies (women) aren't the same. Queerness always and everywhere is about sex, and in quantities beyond the imagination of most straight men. It isn't unusual for a queer to have over a thousand sexual partners over a period of a year or two, and two or three a night, night in and night out.

Lizzieness is seldom about sex, but rather about emotional comfort.

The two -- queerness and lizzieness -- are about as antipodal as it's possible to be. Each takes a fundamental aspect of humanity -- sex on the one hand, emotional comfort on the other -- to an extreme that is not normal.

If somebody - regardless of orientation - won't take no for an answer, that's either rape or attempted rape, and you don't beat the shit out of them, you call the police (or whoever is the equivalent in the armed forces) and get them dealt with appropriately. That's how we do things in the civilised world.

And while I'm sure there are some gay people who are overly persistent, just as there are some straight people - in both cases it's a tiny minority.

"If somebody - regardless of orientation - won't take no for an answer, that's either rape or attempted rape, and you don't beat the shit out of them, you call the police"

I do have to say, I have absolutely no problem with people beating the shit out of rapists, gay or straight. But I'm also sane and I know that checking someone out or even propositioning them doesn't constitute rape.

Really. Well, I had one queer male friend who I spent at least two evenings a week with, sometimes more, and he certainly wasn't having sex on them. So that leaves five nights a week to rack up that thousand... I don't think there were a thousand gay men in our uni town, but still... and all this without anyone else in his flat or his roomate and girlfriend noticing. (Yes, my dear idiot friend, there exist men who are bisexual, too! But I think that may be a little too complicated for your poor tiny mind.)

There was also another queer man in the room next to theirs, and I was over there often enough and for long enough to tell he definitely wasn't having rampant sex with a queue of men outside his door. In fact, he usually came and ate with us.

And then of course, I lived opposite a bisexual transman for the whole of first year, and I can assure you the only other person in his bed at any point was me. (Cuddling up and watching my Doctor Who DVDs. I'm asexual. On which note: the only people who've not taken "no" for an answer have been straight men, some of whom seem unable to grasp the concept of "asexual". All the bisexual men, women or lesbians who've been attracted to me have immediately accepted it and never brought the subject up again.)

As for the "lizzies"... yeah, I've slept in a room down the corridor from two of my female friends who were dating at the time. They were definitely making the most out of a double bed and no parents.

Addendum: "queer", in my experience, is used (by sane people) to refer to anything non-cissexual or non-heterosexual or in other ways outside the heteronormative mainstream. Which puts the irony factor up to 11 when you realise that it can include asexuals.

BTW, homosexuals can be charged with sexual harassment, too, and have been (the military has a sexual harassment policy just like private industry). That's the proper way to deal with persistent unwanted advances. Getting pestered by gay men is nothing to what women have gone through at the hands of straight guys in the military. Beating the shit out of them (or anyone else) is illegal whether it's considered a hate crime or not. The hate crime law just says you'll get three years instead of one.

I have a feeling that this git would beat up anyone who he thought was stepping over the line, regardless of how serious the offense was. Also, if this were a straight man laying a thousand women a year, no doubt DF would be all but worshiping him ("Dude, you rock, how the hell do you get all these ladies?")

Gee, I guess my gay best friend is doing something wrong since he has spent the last two Saturday nights with me, my family and a plate of nachos watching movies on TV. He could have had three sex partners during the time it took us to watch one chick flick.