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Funny story ... I thought Garick was the seer and TRV was the mafia ...

What made you think I was mafia

I explained why I thought you were mafia, but oops you were the seer. Either way, I knew you weren't playing your vanillger self. I privately voiced my suspicion of ZH to Obi, so I am confused as to why everyone thought I was mafia.

thanks for running jdarksun, this felt like a faction game with the unfortunate problem of having my faction neutered on day two.

This is an odd complaint considering you could join a new "faction" at any time.

I offered space on my ship to everyone I talked to that sounded like they wanted it.

I couldn't in good conscience accept this when Buddha was the remaining crew member aboard my ship, and he was "The Fixer".
Also, the bounty board appeared to be updated with perfect information when someone with a bounty landed on one of the 5 trade planets, so I also thought you knew where he was Day 2.
But it appears that the initial Day 1 info was plain fabricated, so I guess not.

nah, the locations on the bounty board were always the same

I told anyone on my crew that if they were my crew, bounties didn't matter.

Then I don't know.
The Fixer's bounty only went up when I landed on Persephone.

That was probably a giant coincidence because one of the bounties died.

When I reveled to obi I was the vig he his reply was for me to kill my crew. I told him no that was not an option and he wouldn't budge and insisted that I needed to do it. I received no seer information, no discussion on who would be suspicious or a good target outside of my crew and he wouldn't consider any other plan.

I made it clear that I would not consider that as an option and that if it was his only plan then there was nothing more for us to discuss and he proceeded to dig up old posts from a year ago and throw them in my face and accuse me of going against my win condition for trying to win with my team. There were about 5 other posts that I didn't read because I ran out of steam and still needed to figure out my orders. There was nothing I could say that he would consider.

I withdrew quietly when jdark assured me he could get a replacement. Obifett completely disrespected me and treated me like I was worthless in an effort to get what he wanted. Then turned around after I was gone and achieved what I had intended from the beginning.

All I was asking of you was to kill mafia. You offered me no alternative either, fwiw, besides your entire ship retiring.

And of course i didn't give you seer info, you weren't confirmed.

If you want, bedlam, I can re-add you to the PM chain so you read it again and or post it here to try and backup that I disrespected you or treated you as worthless because that's just not true.

Again, I'm sorry if any of it came across as personal. It was purely game stuff with me fighting for the village to keep their vig focused on the village wincon. I used prior posts you made because it contained reasoning that I agreed with and needed you to follow in this game. Had you not, and decided to retire then I wouldn't have held it against you because it was a wincon.

Finally, I did what "you had intended from the beginning" because gizzy/ZH shared the plan. Had you done that, I would have gone along with it from the get go as evidenced by my actions.

oh also @Garick you were like, maybe the most mafia poster i have ever seen. I was following the thread after I died and didn't talk to anyone and I was like, oh man this dude is definitely mafia.

and I am terrible at finding mafia like that. Like it basically looked like this:

Really? I wonder what I wrote that made it seem like that. To be honest, my posts were never intended to mislead the village, they were pretty much exactly what I would have posted if I was a villager, as I was trying to find the reaver, and I really did think obi might have been converted. (woulda been an awesome play to convert the mouthpiece, and I had a hunch that reavers had that ability)

oh also @Garick you were like, maybe the most mafia poster i have ever seen. I was following the thread after I died and didn't talk to anyone and I was like, oh man this dude is definitely mafia.

and I am terrible at finding mafia like that. Like it basically looked like this:

Really? I wonder what I wrote that made it seem like that. To be honest, my posts were never intended to mislead the village, they were pretty much exactly what I would have posted if I was a villager, as I was trying to find the reaver, and I really did think obi might have been converted. (woulda been an awesome play to convert the mouthpiece, and I had a hunch that reavers had that ability)

there were a lot of posts that were for lack of a better word "reaction" posts that look like someone pretending to be a villager. It's difficult to quantify, but the basic idea is that when you're mafia, you can kind of try too hard to look like a villager. Reaction posts to narrations can be hot spots, as well as sort of fluff posts that bring up "discussion" to the village but go no where and end up not influencing your vote in any meaningful way.

Like, yes, there was definitely at least enough in the game to bring up that obi could have been converted, but the way in which you did it was just enough to throw shade on him, while not taking enough of a stand to actually do anything about it. The mafia is never (usually never) going to just vocally try and get the village to not trust the net head. But if they can influence the village to do it for them, they've done their job well. As such, it's usually something of a mafia flag to see a post that's like "well I think x is suspicious for y but I guess I'll throw a vote on z"

Other mafia flags are the reaction posts that are like "oh no! reavers! what could that mean??" That and the sort of light RP are just more things that can sort of in aggregate point someone out as trying to look like a villager.

I imagine I must always look mafia then haha. i'm only ever around for vote close and a couple hours after that, so my posts are always fluff reaction to the narration and tentative vote before much discussion because I can't be sure I can make it back to read everything before vote close the next day.

I imagine I must always look mafia then haha. i'm only ever around for vote close and a couple hours after that, so my posts are always fluff reaction to the narration and tentative vote before much discussion because I can't be sure I can make it back to read everything before vote close the next day.

I used to do the same thing with the reaction posts to narration. Got me killed quite a few times. Speculation on possible mechanics from narration may get you a pass but if you say "oh man those dirty mafia are going to pay for that!" Don't be too surprised if you end up getting stabulated

I imagine I must always look mafia then haha. i'm only ever around for vote close and a couple hours after that, so my posts are always fluff reaction to the narration and tentative vote before much discussion because I can't be sure I can make it back to read everything before vote close the next day.

Heres the thing though: if you always act that way and stay consistent with it every game, then it will be less "oh Garick is mafia" and more "oh that's just Garick".

Just keep being you no matter if you are village or mafia and no one will be able to tell after a while.