* SPOILER ALERT *Massive Bond fail throughout the film. Initially fails to get the bad guy, leading to dead agents, gets the bad guy in the end but fails to protect M. As a bonus the film features Hollywood hacking and the non-existence of infra-red goggles. Moneypenny and Q of course have to be young and sexy, because that's totally realistic. Throw in as many retro nods as possible for fan wankery.

Wyalt Derp:Massive Bond fail throughout the film. Initially fails to get the bad guy, leading to dead agents, gets the bad guy in the end but fails to protect M. As a bonus the film features Hollywood hacking and the non-existence of infra-red goggles. Moneypenny and Q of course have to be young and sexy, because that's totally realistic. Throw in as many retro nods as possible for fan wankery.

Frankly, it's totally realistic for Q to be young. In real life, Q would be a freshly minted PhD out of MIT or some such place after having finished his undergrad work before he was 20. By the time he was Desmond Llewellyn's age, he'd have long since left government service to found a company taking advantage of all his contacts and become a billionaire.

Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

gshepnyc:Wyalt Derp: Massive Bond fail throughout the film. Initially fails to get the bad guy, leading to dead agents, gets the bad guy in the end but fails to protect M. As a bonus the film features Hollywood hacking and the non-existence of infra-red goggles. Moneypenny and Q of course have to be young and sexy, because that's totally realistic. Throw in as many retro nods as possible for fan wankery.

Frankly, it's totally realistic for Q to be young. In real life, Q would be a freshly minted PhD out of MITKings College Cambridge, or Magdalen (pronounced 'maudlin') College Oxford, or some such place after having finished his undergrad work before he was 20. By the time he was Desmond Llewellyn's age, he'd have long since left government service to found a company taking advantage of all his contacts and become a billionaire.

I_C_Weener:grinding_journalist: Well, Moore was the best Bond, so I'm willing to hear him out.

/also going tonight

Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

Lazenby. He gave the role a ruthless and serious edge, and in only one movie. And with Kojak as the bad guy!

I_C_Weener:Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

Craig is not Jason Bourne in any way. But if you can't see that you are hopeless.

I_C_Weener:Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

I "grew up" with Roger Moor's bond meaning I saw my first Bond movie at 5 so that's supposed to mean he should be my favorite but he was sort of foppish and his movies were cringe-worthy at times. Anyone remember the redneck sheriff or Yaphet Koto blowing up like a balloon? The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only were good.

Brosnan's my favorite, tied with Connery. Even though Brosnan didn't get the best films and Die Another Day was terrible. But not his fault. I still don't understand the plot to that film.

Anyway, Bond is Bond. I've never missed a Bond movie in the theaters since I was five.

gingerjet:I_C_Weener: Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

Craig is not Jason Bourne in any way. But if you can't see that you are hopeless.

He's my 1A. I loved Goldeneye. As for Moore, some of the problem for him was he was a bit foppish as you say, but also, the 1970's sucked for style. A black voodoo guy running drugs in bell bottoms with Jane Seymour using tarot cards? Might as well go to Studio 54. Or Moonraker? Octopussy and A View to a Kill are pretty decent even if you don't believe Moore could kick anyone's ass.

gingerjet:I_C_Weener: Don't even joke about that. Connery was the best Bond. Craig is the best Jasoun Bourne (extra u's to make him British). Then Remington Steele. Then the Saint. No, there were no other actors in the Bond series.

Craig is not Jason Bourne in any way. But if you can't see that you are hopeless.

/getting off your lawn

Haven't seen Skyfall yet, but excited to. Still, not sure we need Bond in this day and age. We have Bourne, who has the modern spy/intrigue thing covered, quite well.

Bond is a brilliant piece of history, I think the movies should play to that. The opening of Casino Royale had that 1960's feel, and it rocked.

Connery was good and it's more 1a 1b in terms of ranking between him and craig, but DC seems like he can beat the ever living shiat out of SC and have his Bond girl hold his jacket while doing it.

I tend towards:

Connery>Craig>Dalton>Lazenby>Brosnan>Moore

Brosnan might be higher, but the movies he was in SUCKED. His character was too cutesy and self-aware of all the Bond cliches while the movie went ahead and did all the Bond cliches. Plus, they used Joe Don Baker again in a different role. You can't use an actor twice in a series for different parts; that shiat's just wrong.

Massive Bond fail throughout the film. Initially fails to get the bad guy, leading to dead agents, gets the bad guy in the end but fails to protect M. As a bonus the film features Hollywood hacking and the non-existence of infra-red goggles. Moneypenny and Q of course have to be young and sexy, because that's totally realistic. Throw in as many retro nods as possible for fan wankery.

Now get off my lawn.

It's a bond movie, why are you complaining about non-existent infra-red goggles? You must have been really mad at Moonraker.

Dogfacedgod:Connery was good and it's more 1a 1b in terms of ranking between him and craig, but DC seems like he can beat the ever living shiat out of SC and have his Bond girl hold his jacket while doing it.

Yes. Craig is definitely the bad ass. But in Casino Royale he actually tries to be smooth and somehow sleeps with the women. I'm sorry, but he doesn't do that nearly as well as Connery or Moore or Bronsan. Dalton sucked.

Orgasmatron138:Brosnan might be higher, but the movies he was in SUCKED. His character was too cutesy and self-aware of all the Bond cliches while the movie went ahead and did all the Bond cliches

Yeah but he was pretty cold blooded in places. He deliberately dropped his former best friend to his death, he shot an unarmed woman in cold blood. And he put a bullet through the head of a guy pleading for his life because he killed one of the only girls he actually loved.

These aren't admirable things to do but Bond isn't an admirable person. Just because Brosnan's Bond looked like he was having fun boozing and dogging girls didn't mean he couldn't also be a murderous bastard.

gshepnyc:Frankly, it's totally realistic for Q to be young. In real life, Q would be a freshly minted PhD out of MIT or some such place after having finished his undergrad work before he was 20. By the time he was Desmond Llewellyn's age, he'd have long since left government service to found a company taking advantage of all his contacts and become a billionaire.

I'm sure Q branch would be full of young geniuses, but the head of department would have to have had some experience?

Wyalt Derp:gshepnyc: Frankly, it's totally realistic for Q to be young. In real life, Q would be a freshly minted PhD out of MIT or some such place after having finished his undergrad work before he was 20. By the time he was Desmond Llewellyn's age, he'd have long since left government service to found a company taking advantage of all his contacts and become a billionaire.

I'm sure Q branch would be full of young geniuses, but the head of department would have to have had some experience?

I think the point of the Q character is that he's the only person who could boss Bond around. "Now pay attention, 007!". He's the only person Bond would show any respect to. Bond tolerated the various "M"s but it was only Q that Bond thought, "He's going to be pissed" when he destroyed a piece of equipment. .

Orgasmatron138:Brosnan might be higher, but the movies he was in SUCKED. His character was too cutesy and self-aware of all the Bond cliches while the movie went ahead and did all the Bond cliches. Plus, they used Joe Don Baker again in a different role. You can't use an actor twice in a series for different parts; that shiat's just wrong.

Charles Gray disagrees.

/ Henderson in You Only Live Twice and Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever,

puckrock2000:Orgasmatron138:Brosnan might be higher, but the movies he was in SUCKED. His character was too cutesy and self-aware of all the Bond cliches while the movie went ahead and did all the Bond cliches. Plus, they used Joe Don Baker again in a different role. You can't use an actor twice in a series for different parts; that shiat's just wrong.

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Charles Gray disagrees.

/ Henderson in You Only Live Twice and Blofeld in Diamonds Are Forever,

I am waiting to see SKYFALL for myself, but if it is half as good as the reviews, then I would agree,though to be fair Craig would only be a few millimetres ahead of Connery even at the best of times.

I agree. I was afraid to watch, don't want to see Bond die, can't stand watching movies where the good guy dies in the end. From what I'm gleaning maybe M dies? So that will be hard to take. But this will be the first movie we're going to see since Master and Commander, Far Side of the Earth, or whatever it was called.

I_C_Weener:Mugato: Craig's Bond is just a murderous bastard without any of the fun.

It looks to me that they put some fun back into him. If so, he could be the best Bond ever.

For all your trollishness in this thread, this one statement fills me with giddy adolescent glee.

Bond has always been a combination of thug and smoothie; in the early books he's much more athug, and in the later books (impelled by the characterization of Bond by Connery that Fleming grewto like more after he got to know Connery between DR. NO and FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE) andmovies the smoothie aspect of his character has always been much more to the fore (though Daltonand Brosnan definitely had more than a hint of thuggishness about their characterizations).

It was refreshing that Craig harkened back to the mostly thuggish characterization in CASINO ROYALE(I haven't seen QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and apparently I'm not missing anything), but my mainthought after seeing him in that film was "If he would just add a wee bit of the smoothie Bond to thismix, he would be absolute perfection".

I pray that I'm not falling for some massive troll on your part, I_C_Weener.