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wow....

....the whole team order thing is SUCH a bogus issue. Let me say off the bat that I did not think Austria was necessary, however no one would have been the wiser had Rubens not pulled his melodramatic brazilian hissy fit and made it look obvious to to the whole world.
But my point is, why are anglos always bitching about Austria and for example say nothing of the Hakkinen/Coulthard incidents of a few years earlier?
And US 02?..... shoot, Ferrari had trashed the reast of the field already, they were running 1-2...did it really make a difference who crossed the line first? did it "ruin the show"? Most F1 races are over well before the checkered flag....Ferrari decided to make it a little show, so what? FuŠk the UK teams if they can dish it out but can't take it!

Sorry but that issue is a well beaten dead horse.<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

oops wrong place...reply to Paesan below...

What DC and MH did was between them.

If I remember right it wasn't Ron Dennis speaking in DC's ear, let Mika by David, for the championship.... I absolutely agree Rubens could and should have handled it differently and maybe the rest of us would not have had that vision of Todt on the radio and then again after the race. You say it's an Anglo thing, well there really aren't any other teams out there to get upset now are there? The fans in general at Austria were very upset to say the least. It's hard to say collectively what nationality those people were. At Indy, I thought Michael was trying to allow them to cross the finish line more or less together, and Rubens passed him. So I'd say Rubens screwed that up again.

It better be a dead horse because it's against the rules now.

Even the tire issue was Ferrari manipulating the FIA. They had no business demanding those changes, but it made Michelin take a step back and the teams were not able to do the fine tuning of their cars before Monza that might have made the difference. The rules say that the tire regulations will be set the September of the year before the season and not changed. They changed measuring the tires before the race to measuring them after the race. Norbert Haug has recently said that the FIA had the chance to say that these are the rules we are not changing them. Ferrari are the primadonnas, it's obvious.

Don\'t buy it

DC just let Mika by out of the kindness of his heart but when Ferrari does it it's a scheming evil thing?

The tire question....hoooooooonk! sorry charlie, just because they figure out late in the season HOW they were (cleverly) getting around the rules it doeasn't mean the y should be allowed to get away with it for the remainder. I'm sure if there had been a bone to pick on any red car it would have been done by the boys in black. Please don't tell me that "british fair play" would have prevented this!

OTOH the reason it was brought up by Ferrari was tactical, no doubt. Performance wise B-Stone always built their tires on the narrow side of the compromise. All's fair in love and F1<br><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/booboo/.Pictures/axis.jpg"height=180 width=180>

Re: Why trash Montoya?

LOL, I obviously never implied he didn't, but what I am implying is that I think he will come full circle sooner rather than later and win a title. His F1 career is still fairly young and I think that he will win next year if his car is competitive.