Democratic debate transcript: Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley in Iowa

The Democratic presidential candidates faced off on
foreign policy and domestic issues at Drake University in Iowa on
November 14, 2015. CBS News hosted the debate.

JOHN DICKERSON:Good
evening, I'm John Dickerson of CBS News in Des Moines, Iowa. The
debate you've tuned in to see tonight is a symbol of the freedom we all
cherish.

Last night the world watched in horror as freedom was savagely
attacked in the heart of Paris. At least 129 people were killed and
many more wounded in a coordinated series of terror attacks. Tonight,
as France mourns, so does America.

So before we begin tonight's
second debate with these candidates for the Democratic presidential
nomination we ask you to join us in observing a moment of silence.
(LONG PAUSE) Now please welcome to Drake University Former Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton, (CHEERING) (UNINTEL), Senator Bernie Sanders of
Vermont. (CHEERING) and-- and Martin O'Malley, the former governor of
Maryland. (CHEERING)

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MARTIN O'MALLEY:This is a people's campaign.

HILLARY CLINTON:I am a real person with all the pluses and minuses that go along with that.

BERNIE SANDERS:(UNINTEL) your own hardware

HILLARY CLINTON:I'm running for (UNINTEL).

MARTIN O'MALLEY: The American people are sick and tired of hearing about the damn unit (?). (LAUGHTER)

[First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State during the 21st Century admits she was dead wrong?]

JOHN DICKERSON:Before
we-- before we start the debate here are the rules. The candidates
have one minute to respond to our questions and 30 seconds to respond to
our follow-up. Any candidate who is attacked by another candidate gets
30 seconds for rebuttal. Here's how we'll keep time, after a question
is asked the green light goes on. When there are 15 seconds left the
candidate gets a yellow warning light. And when time's up the
light turns red. That means stop talking. (LAUGHTER)

Those are the
rules. So let's get started. You will each have one minute for an
opening statement to share your thoughts about the attacks in your Paris
and lay out your visions for America. First, Senator Sanders.

BERNIE SANDERS:Well,
John, let me concur with you and with all Americans who are shocked and
disgusted by what we saw in Paris yesterday. Together, leading the
world, this country will rid our planet of this marvelous organization
called ISIS.

[Marvelous? ISIS was armed, trained and funded by the West, Gulf Countries and Turkey according to declassified US Defense Intelligence Documents:

I'm running for president because as I go around this
nation I talk to a lotta people. And what I hear is people concerned
that the economy we have is a rigged economy.

[Rigged by the Fed for Wall Street and Silicon Valley 1% against the American people and the world.] People are working
longer hours for lower wages.

And (UNINTEL) income and wealth goes to
the top 1%.

And then on top of that we got a corrupt campaign finance
system in which millionaires and billionaires are (UNINTEL) use some of
the money into super packs heavily influencing the political process.
What my campaign is about is a political revolution.

Millions of people
standing up and saying, "Enough is enough. Our government belongs to
all of us and not just a handful of billionaires."

JOHN DICKERSON:All right, Senator Sanders. Secretary Clinton.

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
our prayers are with the people of France tonight. But that is not
enough. We need to have a resolve that will bring the world together to
root out the kind of radical jihadist ideology that motivates
organizations like ISIS, the barbaric, ruthless, violence jihadist,
terrorist group.

[Which you supported as First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Benghazi.]

This election is not only about electing a
president. It's also about choosing our next commander in chief.

[We have not had a female Commander in Chief. Feminizing the Military did not work, from Tailhook Scandal to Pregnancy Leaves to transgenders at taxpayer expense to Jessica Lynch, Shoshona Johnson, Yvonne Ridley captures and more than 145 women killed in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait:

Our country
deserves no rest because all of the other issues we wanna deal with
depends on us being secure and strong.

JOHN DICKERSON:Governor O'Malley.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:My
heart, like all of us in this room, John, and all the people across our
country-- my hearts go out to the people of France in this moment of
loss, parents and-- and-- and sons and daughters and family members.
And-- as our hearts go out and as our prayers go out to them we must
remember this, that this is a new face of conflict and warfare, not
in the 20th century but the new face of conflict of warfare in the 21st
century.

And there is no nation on the planet better able to adapt
to this change than our nation. We must be able to work
collaboratively with others. We must anticipate these threats before
they happen. This is the new sort of challenge, the new sort of threat
that does, in fact, require new thinking, fresh approaches and new
leadership.

As a former mayor and a former governor, there was never a
single day, John, when I went to bed or woke up without realizing that
this could happen in our own country.

We have a lot of work to do to
better prepare our nation and to better lead this world into this new
century.

[The FBI is watching 1000 Taliban threats in the USA that came in with the open border free ride welfare policy of Hillary Clinton (HRC), her party and President.]

JOHN DICKERSON:All right, thank you, governor,
thank all of you. The terror attacks last night underscored the biggest
challenge facing the next President of the United States. At a time of
crisis the country and the world look to the president for leadership
and for answers. So Secretary Clinton, I'd like to start with you,
hours before the attacks, President Obama said, "I don't think ISIS is
gaining strength."

72% of Americans think the fight against ISIS is
going badly.

Won't the legacy of this administration which is-- which
you were a part of-- won't that legacy be that it underestimated the
threats from ISIS?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, John I think
that-- we have to look at ISIS as the leading threat of an international
terror network. It cannot be contained, it must be defeated. There is
no question in my mind that if we summon our resources, both our
leadership resources and all of the tools at our disposal, not just
military force which should be used as a last resort, but our diplomacy,
our development aid, law enforcement, sharing of intelligence in a much
more-- open and cooperative way-- that we can bring people together.

[After 23 years of HRC in DC big government, just how has that worked out for the American people and the world?]

But
it cannot be an American fight. And I think what the president has
consistently said-- which I agree with-- is that we will support those
who take the fight to ISIS. That is why we have troops in Iraq that are
helping to train and build back up the Iraqi military, why we have
special operators in Syria working with the Kurds and Arabs so that we
can be supportive. But this cannot be an American fight, although
American leadership is essential.

[US middle class taxpayers and HRC supported Special Forces in 147 countries this year. American taxpayers paid the billfor the $500 Million training of 15,000 "moderate" Syrian rebels to take out President Assad and ISIS, the so-called red line in the sand, with the result that only 54 graduates came under attack, suffered captures, and the failed program was disbanded. The Major General responsible for this expensive failure was promoted upstairs to the DC bureaucracy:

JOHN DICKERSON:But--
Secretary Cli-- Clinton, the question's about what-- was ISIS
underestimated.

And I'll-- I'll just ask-- the president referred to
ISIS as the JVU in a speech, the council in foreign relations in June of
2014 said, "I could not have predicted the extent to which ISIS could
be effective in seizing cities in Iraq."

So you've got prescriptions
for the future. But how-- how do we know if those prescriptions are any
good if you missed it in the past?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
John, look, I think that what happened when we abided by the agreement
that George W. Bush-- made with the Iraqis to leave-- by 2011 is that an
Iraqi army was left that had been trained and that was prepared to
defend Iraq. Unfortunately, Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, set
about decimating it.

[After seven years of two terms in office, again blaming your predecessor is a non-starter.]

And then with the revolution against Assad--
and I did early on say we needed to try to find a way to train and equip
moderates very early so that we would have a better idea of how to deal
with Assad because I thought there would be-- extremist groups filling
the vacuum.

[HRC, her president and proxies, claimed Benghazi was an impromptu response to a video, not extremist terrorists. HRC wanted it both ways. Her policy of training and equipping "moderates" was a clear failure, as ISIS ended up with US hardware, including heavily armed Toyota Hilux Pickups:

So, yes, this has developed. I think that there are
many other reasons why it has in addition-- to what's happened in the
region. But I don't think that the United States-- has the bulk of the
responsibility. I really put that on Assad and on the Iraqis and on the
region itself.

[Putin and others claim gas attacks were not by Assad. CBS asked, "Where's the evidence?":http://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-attack-blamed-on-assad-but-wheres-the-evidence/

The US War on Terror accomplished everything Bin Laden hoped it would. US actions abroad repeatedly led to unintended, indefensible consequences, with 800 US military installations abroad and collateral damage on innocent civilian families that created hatred of offensive American foreign policy.

Freedom fighters were drawn to the Al Qaeda, ISIS and Taliban movement for reasons that had little to do with belief in extremist Islam.“I didn’t like Saddam, but at least we didn’t have war. When you came here, the civil war started.”

JOHN DICKERSON:Okay, Governor O'Malley would you critique the administration's response to ISIS? If the United States doesn't lead (UNINTEL)?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
I would-- I would disagree with-- with Secretary Clinton, respectfully,
on this score. This actually is America's fight. It cannot solely be
America's fight. America is best when we work in collaboration with our
allies. America is best when we are actually standing up to evil in
this world.

And ISIS, make no mistake about it, is an evil in this
world. ISIS has brought down a Russian airliner. ISIS is now attacked
the western democracy in-- in France. And we do have a role in this.

Not solely ours. But we must work collaboratively with other nations.
The great failing of these last ten or 15 years, John, has been our
failing of human intelligence on the ground.

Our world in the world is
not to roam the globe looking for new dictators to topple.

Our role in
the world is to make ourselves a beacon of hope, make ourselves stronger
at home.

But also our role in the world, yes, is also to confront
evil when it rises. We took out the save haven in Afghanistan but now
there is undoubtedly a larger safe haven.

And we must rise to this
occasion in collaboration and with alliances to confront it. And invest
in the future much better human intelligence so we know what the next
steps are.

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator Sanders, you said you
wanna rid the planet of ISIS.

In the previous date you said the
greatest threat to national security was climate change. Do you still
believe that?

BERNIE SANDERS:Absolutely. In fact, climate
change is directly related to the growth of terrorism.

And if we do not
get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you're gonna
see countries all over the world-- this is what the C.I.A. says,
they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited
amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of
international conflict.

But of course international terrorism is a
major issue that we've got to address today. And I agree with much of
what-- the secretary and-- and the governor have said. Only have one
area of-- of disagreement with the secretary. I think she said
something like, "The bulk of the responsibility is not ours."

Well,
in fact, I would argue that the disastrous invasion of Iraq, something
that I strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely.

And led
to the rise of Al Qaeda-- and to-- ISIS.

Now, in fact, what we have got
to do-- and I think there is widespread agreement here-- 'cause the
United States cannot do it alone. What we need to do is lead an
international coalition which includes-- very significantly-- (UNINTEL)
nations in that region are gonna have to fight and defend their way of
life.

JOHN DICKERSON:Quickly just-- let me ask you-- follow
up on that, Senator Sanders, when you said the disastrous vote (?) on
Iraq-- let's just be clear about what you're saying, you're saying
Secretary Clinton-- who was then Senator Clinton-- voted for the Iraq
war.

And are you making a direct link between her vote for that or--
and what's happening now for ISIS? Just so everybody--(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:Oh
I don't think any-- I don't think any sensible person would disagree
that the invasion of Iraq led to the massive level of instability we are
seeing right now.(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:I think that was one of the worst foreign policy plunders in the modern history of United States.

HILLARY CLINTON:Thank
you, John, well, I think it's important we put this in historic
context. United States has unfortunately been victimized by terrorism
going back decades. In the 1980s it was in Beirut, Lebanon under
President Reagan's administration and 258 Americans, marines, embassy
personnel and others were-- murdered.

We also had attacks on two
of our embassies in-- Tanzania and Kenya-- when my husband was
president.

Again, Americans murdered.

And then of course 9/11 happened
which happened before there was an invasion of Iraq.

[In fact, Iraq was first invaded by the US in 1990 and 1991:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War ]

I have said the
invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

[HRS voted for it, wants it both ways.]

But I think if we're ever gonna really
tackle the problems posed by jihadi extreme terrorism we need to
understand it and realize that it had-- ans-- and (UNINTEL) to what
happened in Iraq and we have to continue to be vigilant about it.

[American voters now understand Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and ISIS were armed, funded and trained by the West, Gulf States and Turkey:

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator
Sanders, let me just follow this line of thinking. You've criticized
then Senator Clinton's vote. Do you have anything to criticize in the
way she performed as secretary of state?

BERNIE SANDERS:I
think we have a disagreement. And-- the disagreement is that not only
did I vote against the war in Iraq, if you look at history, John, you
will find that regime change-- whether it was in the early '50s in Iran,
whether it was toppling Salvador Allende in Chile or whether it was
overthrowing the government Guatemala way back when-- these invasions,
these-- these toppling of governments, regime changes have unintended
consequences.

I would say that on this issue I'm a little bit more
conservative than the secretary.

JOHN DICKERSON:All right.

BERNIE SANDERSAnd that I am not a great fan of regime changes.

JOHN DICKERSON:Here, let me go--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
may I-- may I interject here? Secretary Clinton also said that we left
the h-- it was not just the invasion of Iraq which Secretary Clinton
voted for and has since said was a big mistake, and indeed it was.

But
it was also the cascading effects that followed that.

It was also
the disbanding of-- many elements of the Iraqi army that are now showing
up as part of ISIS. It was-- country after country without making the
investment in human intelligence to understand who the new leaders were
and the new forces were that are coming up.

We need to be much more far
f-- thinking in this new 21st century era of-- of nation state failures
and conflict.

It's not just about getting rid of a single dictator.
It is about understanding the secondary and third consequences that fall
next.

JOHN DICKERSON:All right, Secretary.

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
and-- and of course each of these cases needs to be looked at
individually and analyzed.

[No, covert US attacks on foreign nations that backfire need to be stopped for our prosperity.]

Part of the problem that we have currently
in the Middle East is that Assad has hung onto power-- with the very
strong support of Russia and Iran and with the proxy of-- Hezbollah--
being there basically fighting his battles.

So I don't think you
can paint with a broad brush. This is an incredibly complicated region
of the world. It's become more complicated. And many of the fights
that are going on are not ones that the United States has either started
or have a role in.

[Pouring gasoline on a fire does not solve problems.]

The Shia-- Sunni split, the dictatorships that have
suppressed people's aspirations, the increasing globalization without
any real safety valve for people to have a better life.

We saw that in
Egypt. We saw a dictator overthrown, we saw Muslim Brotherhood
president installed and then we saw him ousted and the army back. So I
think we've got to understand the complexity of the world that we are
facing and no places more so than in the Middle East.

[Let foreign nations solve their problems without US creating far more worse repurcussions.]

JOHN DICKERSON:I understand. Quickly, Senator.

BERNIE SANDERS:The--
the secretary's obviously right. It is enormously complicated. But
here's something that I believe we have to do is we put together an
international coalition. And that is we have to understand that the
Muslim nations in the region, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, all of
these nations, they're gonna just have to get their hands dirty, their
boots on the ground.

They are gonna have to take on ISIS. This is
a war for the soul of Islam. And those countries who are opposed to
Islam, they are gonna have to get deeply involved in a way that is not
the case today. We should be supportive of that effort. So should the
UK, so should France. But those Muslim countries are gonna have to lead
the efforts. They are not doing it now.(OVERTALK)

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, I think--(OVERTALK)

HILLARY CLINTON:I--
I think that is very unfair to a few that you mentioned-- most
particularly Jordan which has put a lot on the line to the United
States. It's also taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria
and has been therefore subjected to threats and attacks-- by extremists
themselves.

I do agree that in particular Turkey and the Gulf
Nations have got to make up their minds. Are they going to stand with
us against this kind of jihadi radicalism or not?

And there are many
ways of doing it. They can provide sources, they can provide resources.
But they need to be absolutely clear about where they stand.

JOHN DICKERSON:Let
me ask you-- Secretary Clinton a question about leadership. We're
asking about what role does Americapick.

Let me ask you about Libya.
So Libya is a country in which ISIS has-- taken hold in part because of
the chaos after Muammar Gaddafi, that was an operation you championed.

President Obama says is the lesson he took from that operation. In an
interview he said, "The lesson was do we have an answer for the day
after."(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:--supposed to be one of the lessons that we learned after the Iraq war?
And how did you get it wrong with Libya if the key lesson of the Iraq
war is have a plan for after?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, we did
have a plan.

[HRC's Arab Spring plan failed.]

And I think it's-- fair to say that-- of all of the Arab
leaders Gaddafi probably had more blood on his hands of Americans than
anybody else.And when he moved on his own people threatening-- a mass
occurred, genocide-- the Europeans and the Arabs, our allies and
partners-- did ask for American help. And we provided it. And we
didn't put a single boot on the ground. And-- Gaddafi was deposed.

[Under Gaddafi, Libya enjoyed the top living standard in Africa. NATO NeoCons, including HRC, marked Libyangold, oil and waterfor one of the seven countries in five years to invade. They put Libya into civil war and the dark ages. HRC gun-running from Libya to Syria resulted in Benghazi American deaths under HRC, hardly a laughing matter:

The
Libyans turned out for one of the most successful Arab elections that
any Arab country has had. They elected moderate leaders. Now there has
been a lot of turmoil and trouble as they have tried to deal with these
radical elements which you find in this arc of instability from North
Africa to Afghanistan.

[HRC failures.]

And it is imperative that we do more-- not only
to help our friends and partners protect themselves and protect our own
homeland-- but also to work to try to deal with this arc of instability
which does have a lot of impact on what happens in a country like Libya.

[Broken HRC promises.]

JOHN DICKERSON:Governor
O'Malley, I wanna ask you a question and you can add whatever you'd
like to. But let me ask you, is the world too dangerous a place for a
governor who has no foreign policy experience?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
the world is a very dangerous place.

But the world is not too
dangerous of a place for the United States of America provided we act
according to our principles, provided we act intelligently.

I mean,
let's talk about this arc of-- of instability that Secretary Clinton
talked about.

Libya is now a mess. Syria is a mess. Iraq is a
mess. Afghanistan is a mess.

As Americans we have shown ourselves-- to
have the greatest military on the face of the planet.

But we are not
so very good at anticipating threats and appreciating just how difficult
it is to build up stable democracies and make the investments in
sustainable development that we must as the nation if we are to attack
the root causes of-- of the source of-- of instability.

And I
wanted to add one other thing, John, and I think it's important for all
of us on this stage.

I was in Burlington, Iowa and a mom of a service
member of ours who served two duties in Iraq said, "Governor O'Malley,
please, when you're with your other candidates and colleagues on-- on
stage, please don't use the term boots on Iraq-- on the ground. Please
don't use the term boots on the ground. My son is not a pair of boots
on the ground."

These are American soldiers and we fail them when
we fail to take into account what happens the day after a dictator
falls.

And when we fail to act with a whole government approach, with
sustainable development, diplomacy and our economic power in--
alignment with our principles.

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, I
think it's perfectly-- fair to say that we invested quite a bit in
development aid.

Some of the bravest people that I had the privilege of
working with as secretary of state were our development professionals
who went sometimes alone, sometimes with our military into very
dangerous places in Iraq, in Afghanistan-- elsewhere. So there does
need to be a whole of government approach.

But just because we're
involved and we have a strategy doesn't mean we're going to be able to
dictate the outcome. These are often very long-term kinds of--
investments that--(OVERTALK)

[Actions and investments that failed.]

BERNIE SANDERS:But when
you talk about the long-term consequences of war let's talk about the
men and women who came home from war. The 500,000 who came home with
P.T.S.D. and traumatic brain injury.

[And a failed VA that the private sector can do better.]

And I would hope that in the midst
of all of this discussion this country makes certain that we do not
turn our backs on the men and women who put their lives on the line to
defend us. And that we stand with them as they have stood with us.

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary Clinton, you mentioned radical jihadists.

HILLARY CLINTON:Yes.

JOHN DICKERSON:Marco
Rubio, also running for president, said that this attack showed-- in--
the attack in Paris showed that we are at war with radical Islam.

Do
you agree with that characterization, radical Islam?

HILLARY CLINTON:I
don't think we're at war with Islam. I don't think we at war with all
Muslims. I think we're at war with jihadists who have--

JOHN DICKERSON:Just to interrupt, he-- he didn't say all Muslims.

He just said radical Islam. Is that a phrase you don't--

HILLARY CLINTON:I--
I think that you can-- you can talk about Islamists who-- clearly are
also jihadists.

But I think it's-- it-- it's not particularly helpful
to make the case that-- Senator Sanders was just making that I agree
with that we've gotta reach out to Muslim countries. We've gotta have
them be part of our coalition.

[Huh?]

If they hear people running for--
president who basically shortcut it to say we are somehow against
Islam-- that was one of the real contributions-- despite all the other
problems that George W. Bush made after 9/11 when he basically said
after going to a mosque in Washington, "We are not at war with Islam or
Muslims. We are at war with violent extremism. We are at war with
people who use their religion for purposes of power and oppression."

And yes, we are at war with those people that I don't want us to be
painting with too brand a brush.(OVERTALK)

[Semantics?]

JOHN DICKERSON:The
reason I ask is that you gave a speech at Georgetown University in
which you said that it was important to show-- quote-- respect even for
one's enemy. Trying to understand and in so far as psychologically
possible empathize with their perspective and point of view. Can you
explain what that means in the context of this kind of barbarism?

HILLARY CLINTON:I
think with this kind of barbarism and nihilism-- it's very hard to
understand other than the lust for power, the rejection of (UNINTEL),
the total disregard for human life-- freedom or any other value that we
know and-- respect.

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground:

Historically it is important to try to
understand your adversary in order to figure out how they are thinking,
what they will be doing, how they will react. I-- I plead (?)-- that
it's very difficult when you deal with-- ISIS and organizations like
that whose-- whose behavior is so barbaric and so vicious-- that it
doesn't seem to have any purpose other than lust for killing and power.
And that's very difficult to put ourselves in other shoes.(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:Very quickly, do either of you-- radical Islam, do either of you use that--(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:phrase?

BERNIE SANDERS:I
don't think the term is what's important. What is important to
understand is we have organizations, whether it is ISIS or Al Qaeda, [armed by USA]

who
do believe we should go back several thousand years, we should make
women third-class citizens, that we should allow children to be sexually
assaulted, that they are a danger to modern society.

And that this
world with American leadership can and must come together to destroy
them. We can do that.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John--

BERNIE SANDERS:And it requires an entire will to come together including, in a very active way, the Muslim nations.

JOHN DICKERSON:Governor
O'Malley, you've been making the case-- when you talk about lack of
forward vision, you're essentially saying that Secretary Clinton lacks
that vision.

And this critique matches up with this discussion of
language. The critique is that the softness of language betrays a
softness of approach. So if this language-- if you don't call it by
what it is, how can your approach be effective to the cause. That's the
critique.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:I believe calling it what it is,
is to say radical jihadis, that's to call what it is. But John, let's
not fall into the trap of thinking that all of our Muslim-American
neighbors in this country are somehow our enemies here. They are our
first line of defense.

And we are going to be able to defeat ISIS
on the ground there as well as in this world-- because of the
Muslim-Americans in our country and throughout the world who understand
that this brutal and barbaric group is perverting the name of a great
world religion. And now like we never before-- we need our
Muslim-American neighbors to stand up and to-- and to be a part of this.

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary
Clinton, the-- French president has called this attack an act of war. A
couple of days ago you were asked if you would declare war on ISIS and
you said no.

Would you-- would you-- what would you say now?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, we-- we have an authorization to use military force against terrorists. We-- passed it after 9/11.

JOHN DICKERSON:And you think that covers all of it?

HILLARY CLINTON: It-- it certainly does cover it. I-- I would like to see it updated.

JOHN DICKERSON:If you were in the Senate-- if you were in the Senate would you be
okay with-- the commander in chief doing that without coming back to
you?

HILLARY CLINTON:No. It would have to go through the
Congress.

[So does it cover it or not?]

And I know the White House has actually been working with
members of Congress. Maybe now we can get it moving again so that we
can upgrade it so that it does include all the tools and everything in
our arsenal that we can use to try to work with our allies and our
friends, come up with better intelligence.

[More HRC broken promises.]

You know, it is
difficult finding intelligence that is actionable in a lotta these
places. But we have to keep trying. And we have to do more to prevent
the flood of foreign fighters who have gone to Syria, especially the
ones with-- with western passports that come back. So there's a lot of
work we need to do. And I wanna be sure that what's called the AUMF has
the authority that is needed going forward.(OVERTALK)

[The 2003 Authorization for the Use of Military Force (AUMF) in Iraq turned into an expensive debacle with no claimed Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) found. That 2003 AUMF cannot by any stretch be used to justify invading Syria twelve years later. No senator or congressman wants to go on record supporting another potential quagmire:

JOHN DICKERSON:Let
me just-- let that is-- whatever you've got to say about refugees. You've
been a little vague about what you've done in the Syrian refugees.(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:I mean, what's your view on them now--

[HRC and DC caused the Syrian refugee problem]

BERNIE SANDERS:Let
me pick up an issue that-- a very important issue that we have not yet
discussed. This nation is the most powerful military in the world.
We're spending over $600 billion a year on the military.

And yet
significantly less than 10% of that money is used to be fighting
international terrorism.

We are spending hundreds of billions of
dollars (UNINTEL), 5,000 nuclear weapons.

I think we need major reform
in the military making it more cost effective but also focusing on the
real crisis that faces us.

The Cold War is over and our focus has got
to be on intelligence, increased manpower, fighting international
terrorism.

In terms of refugees I believe that the United States
has the moral responsibility with Europe, with Gulf countries like Saudi
Arabia to make sure that when people leave countries like Afghanistan
and Syria with nothing more than the clothing on their back that of
course we reach out.

Now what the magic number is, I don't know.
Because we don't know the extent of the problem. But I certainly think
that the United States should take its full responsibility in helping
those.

JOHN DICKERSON:Governor O'Malley, you have a magic
number. I think it's 65,000. Does that number go up or down based on
what happened yesterday?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John, I was the
first person on this stage to say that we should accept the 65,000
Syrian refugees that were s-- were fleeing the sort of murder of-- of
ISIL. And I believe that that needs to be done with proper screening.

But accommodating 65,000 refugees in our country, people of 320 million
is akin to making room for six and a half more people in a baseball
stadium with 32,000.

There are other ways to lead than to be a
moral leader in this world rather than at the opposite end of a drone
strike.

But I would want to agree with something that Senator Sanders
says, the nature of warfare has changed. This is not a conflict where
we send in the third divisions of (UNINTEL).

This is-- a new era of
conflict where traditional ways of-- of huge standing armies are not
as-- serve our purposes as well as special ops, better intelligence and
being more proactive.

JOHN DICKERSON:Just very quickly, 65,000, the number stays?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:That's what I understand is the request from the international--(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:But-- what would you want?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:I
would want us to take our place among the nations of the world to
alleviate the sorta death and the-- the-- the specter we saw--(OVERTALK)

MARTIN O'MALLEY:--little kids, fathers walking up on a beach.

[The emotional picture of the dead toddler on a beach was a Kurdish family who capsized off Turkey, headed for Greece and Canada, rejected by Turkey, Greece and Canada, who supported the Syrian War until recently-elected Justin Trudeau withdrew from the so-called ISIS Coalition airstrikes, thus highlighting the expensive connection between government warfare and welfare:

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary
Clinton, let me ask you a question from Twitter that's come in. And
this is a question on this issue of-- of refugees. The question is with
the U.S. preparing to absorb Syrian refugees, how do you propose we
screen those coming in to keep our citizens safe?

HILLARY CLINTON:I
think that is the number one requirement. I also said that we should
take-- increased numbers of refugees. The administration originally
said ten [thousand?]. I said we should go to 65 [thousand?] but only if we have as carefully
screening and vetting process as we can imagine whatever resources it
takes.

[More expensive promises.]

Because I do not want us to-- in any way-- inadvertently
allow people who wish us harm to come into our country.

But I wanna say
a quick word about what-- Senator Sanders and-- and then O-- and
Governor O'Malley said.

We do have to take a hard look at the defense
budget. And we do have to figure out how we get ready to fight the
adversaries of the future, not the past. But we have to also be very
clear that we do have some continuing challenges.

We got challenges in
the South China Sea because of what China is doing in building up--
these-- military installations.

We have problems with Russia.
Just the other day Russia allowed a-- television camera to see the plans
for a drone submarine that could carry a tactical nuclear weapon. So
we've gotta look at the full range and then come to some smart decisions
about have-- having more streamlined and focused--(OVERTALK)

[With Federal debt and obligations larger than our economy, can we still afford to be the world's cop? Can we afford simultaneous wars with China, MENA (Middle East and North Africa) and Russia?]

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator
Sanders, I'm sorry, we're gonna have to take a break now. We will have
more of the Democratic debate here from Drake University in Des Moines,
(APPLAUSE) Iowa.

JOHN DICKERSON:Wanna turn now from
terrorism to another important issue for many Americans, the financial
squeeze on the middle class. For that, we go to my CBS News colleague,
Nancy Cordes. Nancy?

NANCY CORDES:John, thanks so much.
We've learned a lot during the course of this campaign about what you'd like to do-- that you think help the middle class. So we haven't
learned quite as much about who would pick up the tab.

So Secretary
Clinton, first to you, you want to cap individual subscription drug
costs at $250 a month. You want to make c-- public college debt free.
You want community college to be free altogether and you want mandatory
paid family leave. So who pays for all that?

Is it employers? Is it
the taxpayers? And which taxpayers?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
first of all, it isn't the middle class. I have made very clear that--
hard-working, middle class families need a raise, not a tax increase.

In fact-- wages adjusted for inflation haven't risen since-- the turn of
the last century after my husband's administration.

[In factmedian real weekly earnings have not risen since 1971, including HRC's first time in Washington DC White House:

So we have a lotta
work to do to get jobs going again, get incomes rising again.

And
I have laid out specific plans. You can go to my website,
HillaryClinton.com and read the details.

And I would pay for it by,
yes, taxing the wealthy more, closing corporate loopholes, deductions
and other kinds of favorable treatment. And I can do it without raising
the debt, without raising taxes on the middle class and making it
reasonably-- manageable within our budget so that we can be fiscally
responsible at the same time.

[ The problem with socialists is they run out of other people's money ~ Maggie Thatcher, Prime Minister of Britain in 1976:http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/thatcher.asp

QUESTION #3:But a quick
follow-up on that $250 a month a cap. Wouldn't the pharmaceutical
companies and insurance companies just pass that cost onto the consumers
in the form of higher premiums?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
we're gonna have to redo the way the prescription drug-- industry does
business. For example, it is outrageous that we don't have an
opportunity for Medicare to negotiate for lower prices. In fact,
American-- consumers pay the highest prices in the world for drugs that
we helped to be developed through the National Institutes of Health and
that we then tested through the FDA. So there's more to my plan than
just the cap. We have to go after price gouging and monopolistic
practices and get Medicare the authority to negotiate.

[More promises from the same HRC who failed to reform Healthcare in 1993 and lobbied for 0Care in 2010 as Secretary of State:

QUESTION #3:Governor O'Malley, you also want to make public college debt free, you want to--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:That's right.(OVERTALK)

QUESTION #3:
--tuition. You've got your own family leave plan. How would you pay
for it? In Maryland you raised the sales tax, you raised the gas tax
and you raised taxes on families making over $150,000 a year. Is that
the blueprint?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Nancy, the blueprint in
Maryland that we follow was, yes, we did, in fact, raise the-- the sales
tax by a penny. And we made our public schools the best public schools
in America for five years in a row with that investment. And, yes, we
did ask everyone the-- the top 14% of earners in our state to pay more
in their income tax.

And we were the only state to go four years
without a penny's increase to college tuition. So while other
candidates will talk about the things they would like to do, I actually
got these things in a state that (UNINTEL) not only a triple A bond
rating but the highest medium [median?] income in America.

I believe that we
paid for many of the things that we need to do again as a nation,
investing in the skills of our people, our infrastructure and research
and development and also climate change-- by the elimination of one big
entitlement that we can no longer afford as a people.

And that is the
entitlement that many of our super wealthiest citizens feel they are
entitled to pay, namely a much lower income tax rate and a lower tax
rate on capital gains.

I believe capital gains for the most part should
be taxed the same way we tax incomes from hard work, sweat and
(UNINTEL). And if we do those things we can be-- a country that
actually can afford debt-free college again.

QUESTION #3:Senator
Sanders, you want to make public college free altogether. You want to
increase social security benefits. And you want to spend-- spend $1
trillion on infrastructure. So you said that to do some of these things
you'll impose a tax on top earners. How high would their rate go in a
Sanders administration?

BERNIE SANDERS:Let me put those
proposals-- and you're absolutely right. That is what I wanna do. That
is what has to happen if we're gonna revitalize and rebuild the
crumbling middle class. In the last 30 years there has been a massive
redistribution of wealth. And I know that term gets my Republican
friends nervous.

The problem is this redistribution has gone in
the wrong direction. Trillions of dollars have gone to [from?] the middle class
and working families to the top 1/10 of 1% who have doubled the
percentage of wealth (UNINTEL).

Yes, I do believe that we must end
corporate loopholes such that major corporations year after year pay
virtually zero in federal income tax because they're stashing their
money in the Cayman Islands.

Yes, I do believe there must be a tax
on Wall Street speculation. We bailed out Wall Street. It is their
time to bail out the middle class.

Help our kids be able to go to
college tuition free. So we pay for this by do demanding that the
wealthiest people and the largest corporation who

QUESTION #3:Well, let's get specific, how high would you go? You said before you'd go above 50%. How high?

BERNIE SANDERS:We
haven't come up with an exact number yet.

But it will not be as high
as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower which was 90%. But it will
be-- (LAUGHTER)(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:I'm not a
socialist compared to Eisenhower. (LAUGHTER) But-- (CHEERING) but-- but
we are gonna end the absurdity as Warren Buffet often reminds us--

That makes no sense at all. There has to be real tax reform
and the wealthiest (UNINTEL) corporations will pay when I'm president.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:I
mean, (UNINTEL) under Ronald Raegan's first term the highest marginal
rate was 70%. And in talking to a lot of our neighbors who are in that
super wealthy millionaire and billionaire category great numbers of them
love their country enough to do more again in order to create more
opportunity for America's middle class.

QUESTION #3:Secretary
Clinton, Americans say that health care costs and wages are their top
financial concerns. And health care deductibles alone have risen 67%
over the past five years. Is this something that Obamacare was designed
to address?

And if not, why not?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
look, I believe that we've made great progress as a country with the
Affordable Care Act. We've been struggling to get this done since Harry
Truman. And it was not only a great accomplishment to the Democratic
Party but of President Obama.

[Every time HRC said "Look," she misdirected and did not answer the question. The facts are, 0Care canceled plans, lost doctors, bankrupted Co-ops and Medicaid, failed to lower healthcare costs that rose +49%, failed to provide healthcare to 45 M Americans, made healthcare less efficient and created 22 higher new taxes.

I do think that it's important to
defend it. The Republicans have voted to repeal it nearly 60 times.
They would like to rip it up and start all over again, throw our nation
back into this really contentious debate that we've had about health
care for quite some time now.

I wanna build on and improve the
Affordable Care Act.

I would certainly tackle the cost issues because I
think that once the foundation was laid with a system to try to get as
many people as possible into it, to end insurance discrimination against
people with pre-existing conditions or women, for example, that, yes,
we were gonna have to figure out how to get more competition in the
insurance market, how to get the cost of particularly prescription drugs
but other out of pocket expenses down.

[Did not happen, can not happen with 0Care.]

But I think it's important
to understand there's a significant difference that I have with Senator
Sanders about how best to provide quality affordable health care for
everyone. And it's-- it's a worthy debate. It's an important one that
we should--

QUESTION #3:Is it--HILLARY CLINTON:--be engaged in.

QUESTION #3:--it is a worthy debate. Senator Sanders, a quick response and then we'll get-- into health care again later.

BERNIE SANDERS:I
am on the committee that helped write the Affordable Care Act. We have
made some good progress. Now what we have to take on is the
pharmaceutical industry that is ripping off the American people every
single day. I am proud that I was the first member of Congress to take
American (UNINTEL) Canadian border to buy breast cancer drugs for 1/10
the price they were paying in the United States.

But at the end of
the day no doubt the Affordable Care Act is a step forward. I think we
all support it. I believe we've gotta go further. I wanna end the
international embarrassment of the United States of America being the
only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all
people as a right, not a privilege.

(CHEERING) Also-- also what we
should be clear about is we end up spending-- I think the secretary
knows this-- far more per capita on health care than any other major
country and our outcomes-- health care outcomes are not necessarily--

JOHN DICKERSON:There's
a lot of presidential history here in Iowa. It holds the first in the
nation Caucus. Herbert Hoover was born in West Branch. And tonight
we're in Pope County for our 11th president with three people who hope
to be number 45. Joining me now to question them are Iowan Keven Cooney
of KCCI and Kathie Obradovich of the Decides Moines Register, Kevin.

KEVIN KOONEY:Thanks
John. Candidates, we've already-- heard your answers on what you would
do with Syrian refugees. With a crucial part of the immigration debate
here at home controlling our own borders. Republican say the borders,
security borders is a top priority.

Democrats say they wanna plan for
comprehensive integration reform. So Governor O'Malley, are you willing
to compromise on this particular issue to focus on border security
first if they were keeping the country safe?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Well,
security-- we've actually been focusing on do-- border security to the
exclusion of talking about comprehensive immigration reform. In fact if
more border security and the-- and more and more deportations we're
going to bring our republican brothers and sisters to the table it
would've happened long ago.

The fact of the matter is-- and let's say
it in our debate because you'll never hear this from that-- immigrant
bashing carnival barker Donald Trump, (LAUGH)

The truth of the matter
is-- (APPLAUSE) the truth is matter is net immigration from Mexico last
year was zero.

Fact check me, go ahead, check it out.

[Fact check: US residents born in Mexico bounced up in 2014. According to Homeland Security, Illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico surged +68% in 2014 led by Central America, while deportations fell -24% due to 0's illegal amnesty ruling and so-called sanctuary cities who refused 10,182 Federal deportation requests, 87,000 of whom had criminal records:

But the truth of
the matter is if we want wages to go up we've got to get 11 million of
our neighbors out of the (UNINTEL) shadow economy and into the full
light of an American economy.

[How/Why would people who did not respect our borders respect our culture, language, economy, raise wages and pay taxes? Illegal immigrants were a $113 Billion drain on the economy. California alone spent $21,756 per illegal immigrant, not counting the loss of lower wages. Immigrants move to blue states for better benefits partially paid by Federal taxpayers.

Nevada has the nation’s largest share (8%) of unauthorized immigrants in its state population:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/24/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ That's what our parents and
grandparents always did. That's what we need to do as a nation. Yes,
we must protect our borders. But there is no substitute for having
comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship for 11
million people-- many of whom have known no other country but the United
States of America. Our symbol is the Statue (APPLAUSE) of Liberty. It
is not a barbed wire fence. Thank you.

[37.6% of Americans are out of work because of illegals and their billionaire interests:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CIVPART ]

KEVIN KOONEY:Now,
Secretary Clinton, you have said you would go further than the president
when it comes to taking executive action to implement immigration
reforms. But the President's already facing legal troubles on this.
We've seen it more just in the past week. Realistically how can you go
further with executive action?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, first
of all, I know that-- the president has appealed the-- decision-- to the
Supreme Court. And my reading of the law and the Constitution--
convinces me that the president has the authority that he is attempting
to exercise with respect to dreamers and their parents because I think
all of us on this stage agree that-- we need comprehensive immigration
reform with a path to citizenship.

[Legal immigrants already have a path to citizenship.]

Border security has always been
a part of that debate. And it is a fact that the-- net immigration
from-- Mexico and south has basically zeroed out.

[Incorrect. +68% increase documented above.]

So what we wanna do
is to say, "Look, we have 11 million people who have been here, many of
them for decades." They have children who are doing so well. I've met
and worked with dreamers. I think any parent would be so proud of them.
So let's move toward what we should be doing as a nation and follow
the values of our immigration history and begin to make it possible for
them to come out of the shadows and to have (APPLAUSE) their kids--
(INAUDIBLE PHRASE)

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:Senator Sanders-- you
guys have talked about immigration as being a wage issue in the United
States. And I wanna actually go directly to the wage issue now.

You've
talked about raising to $15.00 an hour everywhere in the country.

But
the President's former chair of the Council of Economic Advisors, Alan
Krueger has said the national increase of $15.00 could lead to
undesirable and unintended consequences like job loss. What level of
job loss would you consider unacceptable?

BERNIE SANDERS:Let
me say this-- you know, no public policy doesn't have in some cases
negative consequences.

[In other words, all government policies have negative consequences.]

But at the end of the day what you have right
now are millions of Americans working two or three jobs because that
wages that they are earning are just too low.

Real inflation accounting
for wages has declined precipitously over the years. So I believe that
in fact this country needs to move toward a living wage.

It is
not a radical idea to say that if somebody works 40 hours a week that
person should not be living in poverty. It is not a radical idea to say
that a single mom should be earning enough money to take care of her
kids. So I believe that over the next few years, not tomorrow, that
over the next few years we have got to move the minimum wage to a living
wage $15.00 bucks an hour. And I apologize to nobody.

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:But
you said the-- the-- (APPLAUSE) you said there-- there are consequences
for-- for any policy. Do-- do you think job losses are a consequence
that are--(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:This is what
many economists believe that one of the reasons that real unemployment
in this country is ten percent, one of the reasons that African American
youth unemployment and underemployment is 51 percent is the average
worker in America doesn't have any disposable income.

[Non-sequitur.]

You have no
disposable income when you're making ten, $12.00 bucks an hour. When we
put money into the hands of working people they're gonna go out for our
goods. They're gonna go out for our services. And they are gonna
create jobs in doing that. That is the kind of economy I believe, put
money in the hands of working people, raise the minimum wage to $15.00
an hour.

[Only economic illiterates believe government can raise wages without raising inflation and unemployment. Look no further than the Departments of Commerce, Defense, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development for real life examples.]

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Kathie, this was not merely theory
in Maryland. We actually did it. Not only were we the first state in
the nation to pass a living wage we were the first to pass a minimum
wage. And the U.S. Chamber of Commerce which hardly ever says nice
things about democratic governors anywhere made our state number one for
innovation and entrepreneurship.We defended the highest median
income in the country. And-- so look, the way the-- the-- a stronger
middle class is actually the source of economic growth. And if our
middle class makes more money, they spend more money. And our whole
economy grows. We did it. And it worked. And nobody headed for the
hills or left the state because of the--

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:You're calling for a $15.00-- minimum wage. But why did you stop at $10.10 in your state?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:$10.10
was all I could get the state to do by the time I left in my last year.
But two of our counties actually went to $12.80. And their county
executives if they were here tonight would also tell you that it works.
The fact of the matter is the more our people earn the more money they
spend and the more our whole economy grows.(OVERTALK)

MARTIN O'MALLEY:This
is not an esoteric article-- argument. And you're seeing cities like
Seattle, you're seeing cities like San Francisco, cities like Los
Angeles doing it. And they are doing it well and workers are able to
have more disposable income.

[MD is a special case because it benefits from profligate unproductive Washington, DC spending. San Francisco and Seattle are already laying off employees and closing businesses:

HILLARY CLINTON:But I do take
what Alan Krueger said seriously. He is the foremost expert in our
country on the minimum wage-- and what its effects-- are. And the
overall message is that it doesn't result in job loss. However what
Alan Krueger said in the piece you're referring to is that if we went to
$15.00 there are no international comparisons. That is why I support a
$12.00 national federal minimum wage. That is what the democrats in
the senate have put forward as-- proposal.But I do believe that
is a minimum. And places like Seattle, like Los Angeles, like New York
City, they can go higher. It's what happened in-- Governor O'Malley's
state. There was a minimum wage at the state level. And some places
went higher. I think that is the smartest way to be able to move
forward because if you go to $12.00 it would be the highest historical
average we've ever had.(OVERTALK)

[Why stop at a $12 or $15 minimum wage? Why not go to a million dollar minimum wage? Government does not create wealth. It takes it.]

[None of these politicians has any business experience. They are career politicians who promise the sky and deliver dirt.]

HILLARY CLINTON:He's not on Wall Street.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:And start taking advice from-- (OVERTALK)

KEVIN KOONEY:You
have-- you have given me the perfect segue. We are gonna talk about
Wall Street. But now we've gotta go do a commercial. (LAUGH)
(APPLAUSE) We're starting in the first hour. But there's another hour
behind it. And we're gonna talk about Wall Street. So hang with us.(THEME MUSIC)

BERNIE SANDERS:This country will rid our planet of ISIS.

HILLARY CLINTON:We have to look at ISIS as the leading threat of an international terror network.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:The world is a very dangerous place but not too dangerous of a place for the United States of America.

HILLARY CLINTON:This is an incredibly complicated nation of the world.

BERNIE SANDERS:This role with American leadership can and must come together (UNINTEL).

HILLARY CLINTON:We've got to understand the complexity of the world that we are facing and no place is more so than in the Middle East.(THEME MUSIC)

JOHN DICKERSON:Live from Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, CBS--(THEME MUSIC)

This country will rid our planet of ISIS.

HILLARY CLINTON: We have to look at ISIS as the leading threat of an international terror network.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:The world is a very dangerous place but not too dangerous of a place for the United States of America.

HILLARY CLINTON:This is an incredibly complicated nation of the world.

BERNIE SANDERS:This role with American leadership can and must come together (UNINTEL).

HILLARY CLINTON:We've got to understand the complexity of the world that we are facing and no place is more so than in the Middle East.

Good
evening again as we begin the second half of the debate. And joining
me in the questioning are-- candidates, our CBS News congressional
correspondent Nancy Cordes, Kevin Cooney of CBS Good Morning affiliate
KCCI and Kathie Obradovich of the Des Moines Register.

As those who
watched the first hour now our topic is Wall Street for those just
joining us, welcome. Senator-- excuse me, Secretary Clinton this time,
went to the past there for a moment, Senator Sanders recently said
quote, "People should be suspect of candidates who receive large sums of
money from Wall Street and then go out and say, "Trust me, I'm going to
reregulate Wall Street."

So you've received millions of dollars in
contributions and speaking fees from Wall Street companies. How do you
convince voters that you're gonna level the playing field when you're
indebted to some of the biggest players?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
I-- I think it's pretty clear that they know that I will. You've got
two billionaire hedge fund managers who've started a super PAC. And
they're advertising against the (UNINTEL) as we speak. So they clearly
think I'm going to do what I say I will do. And you you can look at
what I did in the senate. I did introduce legislation to reign in--
compensation.

[So much for freedom.]

I looked at ways that the shareholders would have more
control over what was going on in that arena and specifically said to
Wall Street that-- what they were doing in the mortgage was bringing our
country down.

I've laid out a very aggressive-- plan to reign in
Wall Street not just the big banks. That's a part of the problem. And I
am going right at them. I've got a comprehensive, tough plan. But I
went further than that. We have to go after what's called the shadow
banking industry, those hedge funds.

Look at what happened in '08, AIG a
big insurance company, Lehman Brothers, an investment bank helped to
bring our economy down. So I wanna look at the whole problem. And
that's why my proposal is much more comprehensive than anything else
that's been put forth.

[Talk is cheap. HRC was First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State, a Washington DC Insider for 23 years and accomplished none of that except to put her name on the Clinton Foundation with blatant financial conflicts of interest including illegal foreign political donations.]

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator Sanders,
you've-- you've said that the donations to Secretary Clinton are
compromising. So what did you think of her answer?

BERNIE SANDERS:Not
good enough. (LAUGH)

Here's the story. I mean, you know, let's not be
naive about it. Why do-- why over her political career has Wall Street
a major-- the major-- campaign contributor to Hillary Clinton?

You
know, maybe they're dumb and they don't know what they're gonna get.
But I don't think so.

Here is the major issue when we talk about
Wall Street, it ain't complicated.

You got six financial institutions
today that have assets of 56 per-- equivalent to 50-- six percent of the
GDP in America.

They issue two thirds of the credit cards and one
third of the mortgages. If Teddy Roosevelt, the good republican, were
alive today you know what he'd say? "Break them up. Reestablish
(APPLAUSE)

(UNINTEL) like Teddy Roosevelt (UNINTEL) that is leadership.
So I am the only candidate up here that doesn't have a super PAC.

I'm
not asking Wall Street or the billionaires for money. I will break up
these banks, support community banks and credit unions-- credit unions.
That's the future of banking in America.

JOHN DICKERSON:Quick
follow-up because you-- you-- (APPLAUSE) Secretary Clinton, you'll get a
chance to respond. You said they know what they're going to get. What
are they gonna get?

BERNIE SANDERS:I have never heard a
candidate, never, who's received huge amounts of money from oil, from
coal, from Wall Street, from the military industrial complex, not one
candidate, go, "OH, these-- these campaign contributions will not
influence me. I'm gonna be independent."

Now, why do they make
millions of dollars of campaign contributions? They expect to get
something. Everybody knows that.

Once again, I am running a campaign
differently than any other candidate. We are relying on small campaign
donors, $750,000 and $30 apiece. That's who I'm indebted to.

HILLARY CLINTON:
Oh, wait a minute, senator. (LAUGH) You know, not only do I have
hundreds of thousands of donors, most of them small,

[In fact, most of HRC's disclosed donations are from Wall Street and an International Law Firm. The tax-free Clinton Foundation is on a watchlist for failure to disclose all donors and only 10% of donations to charity:

I am very proud
that for the first time a majority of my donors are women, 60 percent.
(APPLAUSE)

So I-- I represented New York. And I represented New York on
9/11 when we were attacked.

Where were we attacked? We were
attacked in downtown Manhattan where Wall Street is. I did spend a
whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. That was good for
New York. It was good for the economy. And it was a way to rebuke the
terrorists who had attacked our country. (APPLAUSE)

So, you know,
it's fine for you to say what you're gonna say.

But I look very
carefully at your proposal reinstating Glass Steagall is a part of what
very well could help but it is nowhere near enough. My proposal is
tougher, more effective and more comprehensive because I go after all of
Wall Street not just the big banks. (APPLAUSE)(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:Hold on, hold on, he was attacked. Go--(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:Here's--
she touches on two broad issues. It's not just Wall Street. It's
campaigns, a corrupt campaign finance system.

And it is easy to talk
the talk about ending-- Citizens United.

But what I think we need to do
is show by example that we are prepared to not rely on large
corporations and Wall Street for campaign contributions.

And
that's what I'm doing. In terms of Wall Street I respectfully disagree
with you, Madame Secretary in the sense that the issue is when you have
such incredible power and such incredible wealth, when you have Wall
Street spending five billion dollars over a ten year period to get re--
to get deregulated the only answer that I know is break them up,
reestablish Glass Steagall.

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator, we have
to get Senator O'Malley in. But no-- along with your answer how many
Wall Street-- veterans would you have in your administration?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Well,
I'll tell you what, I've said this before, I-- I don't-- I believe that
we actually need some new economic thinking in the White House. And I
would not have Robert Rubin or Larry Summers with all due respect,
Secretary Clinton, to you and to them, back on my council of economic
advisors.

HILLARY CLINTON:Anyone (UNINTEL PHRASE).

MARTIN O'MALLEY:If
they were architects, sure, we'll-- we'll have-- we'll have an
inclusive group. But I won't be taking my orders from Wall Street.

And-- look, let me say this-- I put out a proposal-- I was on the front
line when people lost their homes, when people lost their jobs.

I
was on the front lines as the governor-- fighting against-- fighting
that battle. Our economy was wrecked by the big banks of Wall Street.

And Secretary Clinton-- when you put out your proposal (LAUGH) on Wall
Street it was greeted by many as quote/ unquote weak tea. It is weak
tea. It is not what the people expect of our country. We expect that
our president will protect the main street economy from excesses on Wall
Street.

And that's why Bernie's right. We need to reinstate a modern
version of Glass Steagall and we should have done it already.
(APPLAUSE)

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:Well, you know, governor I
know that when you had a chance to appoint a commissioner for financial
regulation you chose an investment banker in 2010. So for me it is
looking at what works and what we need to do to try to move past what
happened in '08.

[HRC?]

And I will go back and say again AIG was not a
big bank. It had to be bailed out. And it nearly destroyed us. Lehman
Brothers was not a big bank. It was an investment bank. And its
bankruptcy and its failure nearly destroyed us. So I've said if the big
banks don't play by the rules I will break them up.

BERNIE SANDERS:The big bank--

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:

[HRC?]

And
I will also go after executives who are responsible for the decisions
that have such bad consequences for our country. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:Look,
I don't know-- with all due respect to the secretary, Wall Street
played by the rules. Who are we kidding? The business model of Wall
Street is fraud. That's what it is.

And we-- we have-- (APPLAUSE) and
let me make this promise, one of the problems we have had I think all--
all Americans understand it is whether it's republican administration or
democratic administration we have seen Wall Street and Goldman Sachs
dominate administrations.

Here's my promise Wall Street representatives
will not be in my cabinet. (APPLAUSE)

JOHN DICKERSON:All
right, I wanna get to the-- bridge to the issues of guns here.

Secretary Clinton, you've said that Senator Sanders is not tough enough
on guns. But basically he now supports roughly the same things you do.
So can you tell us some of the exact differences going forward between
the two of you on the issue of gun control?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
I think that there are different-- records. I-- you know, know that--
Senator Sanders-- had a different vote than I did-- when it came to
giving immunity to gun makers and sellers. That was a terrible mistake.
It basically gave the gun lobby even more power to intimidate--
legislators not just in Washington but across the country.

But
just think about this, since we last debated in Las Vegas nearly 3,000
people have been killed by guns, 21 mass shootings including one last
weekend in Des Moines where three were murdered, 200 children have been
killed.

[AP fact check said this was untrue:

http://apne.ws/1SSxZ7R

This is an emergency. There are a lot of things we've gotta do
in our country. Reigning in Wall Street is certainly one of them. I
agree with that. That's why I've got such a good plan.

But we have to
also go after the gun lobby. And 92 percent of Americans agree we
should have universal background checks, close the gun show loophole,
close the out of (APPLAUSE) loophole and-- I wanna-- but I-- I will do
everything I can as president to get that accomplished.

http://downtrend.com/71superb/surprise-hillary-clinton-lied-about-guns-in-democratic-debate/ When guns are criminal, only criminals will have guns.

Our Second Amendment states, A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed. History shows governments that disarm their citizens, like New Orleans during Katrina, become despotic.]

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary
Clinton just a quick follow up, you say that-- Senator Sanders took a
vote that-- on immunity that you don't like. So if he can be tattooed
by a single vote and that ruins all future-- opinions by him on this
issue, why then is he right when he says you're wrong on Iraq
vote tattoos for offering your judgment?

HILLARY CLINTON:I--
I said I made a mistake on Iraq. And I would love to see Senator
Sanders join with some of my colleagues-- in the senate that I-- see in
the audience, let's reverse the immunity. Let's-- (OVERTALK)

HILLARY CLINTON:Let's go to the gun makers and tell-- on notice that they're not gonna get away with it.(OVERTALK)

[Not get away with business and constitutional free markets?]

BERNIE SANDERS:Let's do more than reverse the immunity.(OVERTALK)

HILLARY CLINTON:'Cause you think that that's a mistake.

BERNIE SANDERS:But
let's-- let me hear it-- if there's any difference between the
secretary and myself. I have voted time and again to-- for-- for the
background checks. And I wanna see it improved and expanded. I wanna
see them do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988 I lost an election
because I said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of
America.

[Facts show More Guns, Less Crime:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html Insistence by Stanford Law Professors that right-to-carry laws are associated with substantially higher rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape and murder confused correlation with causality. Of course more people defend themselves with guns in high crime areas: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/14/more-guns-more-crime-new-research-debunks-a-central-thesis-of-the-gun-rights-movement/ ]

We have to do away with the strong man proposal. We need
radical changes in mental health in America. So somebody who's
suicidal or homicidal can get the emergency care they need. But we
have-- I don't know that there's any disagreement here.

[Needs and wants are not always practical.]

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Oh yes, there is.

BERNIE SANDERS:We have lots-- come forward with a consensus--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Yes, there is.

BERNIE SANDERS:--that in fact will work--

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator, a mistake or not, you're-- you're-- so quickly before--

BERNIE SANDERS:We
will talk of that bill which I agree with parts, I disagree-- I am
certainly absolutely willing to look at that bill and make sure-- and
not a form of the bill.

JOHN DICKERSON:Not a mistake.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
this is another one of those examples. Look, we have-- we have a lot
of work to do. And we're the only nation on the planet that buries as
many of our people from gun violence as we do in my own state after
they-- the children in that Connecticut classroom were gunned down, we
passed comprehensive-- gun safety legislation, background checks, ban on
assault weapons.

And senator, I think we do need to repeal that
immunity that you granted to the gun industry.

[Immunity was also granted to Telecom and Vaccine companies that broke laws or harmed people.]

But Secretary Clinton,
you've been on three sides of this.

When you ran in 2000 you said that
we needed federal robust regulations. Then in 2008 you were portraying
yourself as Annie Oakley and saying that we don't need those regulation
on the federal level.

And now you're coming back around here. So John,
there's a big difference between leading by polls and leading with
principle. We got it done in my state by leading with principle. And
that's what we need to do as a party, comprehensive gun--(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:All
due respect-- I think it's fair to say that Baltimore is not now one of
the safest cities in America. But the issue-- and it's a lot--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Saved a lot of lives along the way.

BERNIE SANDERS:The
issue is I believe and I believe this honestly and I don't know that
there's much difference on guns between us but I believe coming from a
state that has virtually no gun control I believe that I am in a
position to recount of the 60 or 70 percent of the American people who
agree with us on those issues. The problem is--

JOHN DICKERSON:Hold on.

BERNIE SANDERS:--people
all over this country, not you Secretary Clinton, are shouting at each
other. And what we need to do (LAUGH) is bring people together to work
on the agreement where there is broad consensus. And that's what I
intend to do.(OVERTALK)

HILLARY CLINTON:There-- there is broad consensus. 92 percent in the most recent poll of Americans want gun safety measures.

[Double-down on a lie. Only 45% believe government gun control works.]

BERNIE SANDERS:Absolutely.

HILLARY CLINTON:And
85 percent of gun owners agree. We've got the consensus. What we're
lacking is political leadership. And that's what you and others can
start providing in the senate. (APPLAUSE)

[Triple down on a lie: 45%.]

BERNIE SANDERS:Yes, I agree.

JOHN DICKERSON:Sorry, I'm gonna bring in Nancy Cordes with a question from Twitter about this exchange.(OFF-MIC CONVERSATION)

NANCY CORDES:(IN
PROGRESS) --about guns but also about your conversation on campaign
finance. And Secretary Clinton, one of the tweets we saw-- said that
I've never seen a candidate invoke 9/11 to justify millions of Wall
Street donations until now the idea being that, yes, you are a champion
of the community after 9/11. But what does that have to do with taking
big donations?

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:[HRC?]

Well, I'm sorry that
whoever tweeted that-- had that impression because I worked closely with
New Yorkers after 9/11 for my entire first term to rebuild. And so
yes, I did know people. I had a lot of folks give me donations from all
kinds of backgrounds, say, "I don't agree with you on everything. But I
like what you do. I like how you stand up. I'm going to support you."
(LAUGH) And I think that is absolutely perfect.

BERNIE SANDERS:Well,
I-- if I might-- I-- I-- I think the issue here is that I-- I applaud
Secretary Clinton. She did. She's the senator from New York. She
worked-- many of us supported you in trying to rebuild that devastation.

But at the end of the day Wall Street today has enormous economic and
political power. Their business model is greed and fraud.

And for the
sake of our economy they must-- the major banks must be broken up.

HILLARY CLINTON:But--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John, I think somewhere between the--(OVERTALK)

NANCY CORDES:Senator
Sanders, I'm sorry, so what is it in Secretary Clinton's record-- that
shows you that she's been influenced by those donations?

BERNIE SANDERS:Well, there--(OVERTALK)

BERNIE SANDERS:The
issue right now is whether or not we reestablish Glass Steagall. I led
(UNINTEL PHRASE) unfortunately unsuccessfully against deregulation
because I knew when you merge large insurance companies and investment
banks and commercial banks it was not going to be good.

The issue now
is do we break them up? Do we re-establish Glass Steagall? And
Secretary Clinton unfortunately is on the wrong side.

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
I'll tell you who's on my side, Paul Krugman, the Nobel prize winning
economist who said my plan for what we should do to reign in Wall Street
was more comprehensive and better. Paul Volcker, one of the leading
(UNINTEL) of trying to reign in the excesses has also said he does not
support reinstating Glass Steagall. So I mean, this may seem like a
bit of an arcane discussion.

[Glass Steagall anything but arcane when the two biggest economic collapses in American history were caused by Wall Street Monopolies. Our economy has still not fully recovered from the 2009 0 W crash. Paul Krugman is an advocate of big government something for nothing Keynesian Economics. Paul Volcker in fact opposed full repeal of Glass Steagall and still does, another fib by HRC:

I have nothing against the passion that
my two friends here have about reinstating Glass Steagall. I just don't
think it would get the job done. I'm all about making sure (APPLAUSE)
we actually get results for whatever reason.

JOHN DICKERSON:That's-- a final word-- the final word, Governor O'Malley, before we go to commercial.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
there is not-- a serious economist who would disagree that the six big
banks of Wall Street have taken on so much power and that all of us are
still on the hook to bail them out on their bad debts. That's not
capitalism, Secretary Clinton-- Clinton, that's crummy [crony?] capitalism.

That's
a wonderful business model if you place that bet-- the taxpayers bail
you out. But if you place good ones you pocket it.

Look, I don't
believe that the model-- there's lots of good people that work in
finance, Secretary Sanders. But Secretary Clinton, we need to step up.
And we need to protect main street from Wall Street.

And you can't do
that by-- by campaigning as the candidate of Wall Street. I am not the
candidate of Wall Street. And I encourage--

BERNIE SANDERS:Let me--

MARTIN O'MALLEY:--everybody
watching this tonight to-- please-- acknowledge that by going online at
MartinO'Malley.com and help me wage this campaign for real American
capitalism. (APPLAUSE)

JOHN DICKERSON:We have to--
we have to go for a commercial, I'm sorry. We have to go for a
commercial here. We'll be right back with the democratic debate here in
Des Moines, Iowa on CBS.(THEME MUSIC)

JOHN DICKERSON:Back
now in Des Moines with the candidates for the Democratic presidential
nomination. Senator Sanders, I wanna start with you. Let's say you're
elected president. Congratulations.

JOHN DICKERSON:But
there's a conservative revolution going on in America right now. As
John Boehner knows, and as Democrats know who have lost in state Houses
across the country--

BERNIE SANDERS:Right.

JOHN DICKERSON:--those
conservatives are watching tonight and probably shaking their heads.
So (LAUGHTER) how you deal with that part of the country? The
revolution's already happening, but on the other side.

BERNIE SANDERS:And
we are gonna do a political revolution which brings working people,
young people, senior citizens, minorities together. Because every issue
that I am talking about, paid family and medical leave, breaking up the
banks on Wall Street, asking the wealthy to pay their fair share of
taxes, rebuilding a fumbling [crumbling?] infrastructure, raising the minimum wage to
15 bucks an hour, every one of those issues is supported by a
significant majority of the American people.

Problem is, that as a
result of a corrupt campaign finance system, Congress is not listening
to the American people.

It's listening to the big money (UNINTEL).
What the political revolution is about is bringing people together to
finally say, "Enough is enough. This government belongs to us, not just
the billionaires."

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator, a 30-second
follow-up. We've heard already tonight that-- that your 92% of support
for background checks. Let the ar-- let's look at that as-- as an
example. If there were something 92% of the public was for, there have
been these-- these mass shootings, there was emotional support behind
it.

BERNIE SANDERS:What
we need is leadership in this country which revitalizes American
democracy. And makes people understand that if they stand up and fight
back and take on the bullet-- p-- billionaire class, we can bring about
the change that we need.

If we are not successful, if we continue the
same old same old Washington being run by corporate lobbyists and big
money and trusts (?), nothing changes.

Look, I am very happy in
this campaign that we have had rallies with tens of thousands of people,
mostly young people.

What the polls are showing is that we are
absolutely defeating the secretary among younger people.

We're giving
young people and working people hope that real change can take place in
America. That's what the political revolution is about.

JOHN DICKERSON:A ques-- a question from Kathie Obradovich.

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:Yes.
Senator Sanders, you famously said in the last debate that you were
sick and tired of hearing about the damn emails. But then you told The
Wall Street Journal that the questions about whether or not Secretary
Clinton's emails compromised classified information were valid
questions. So what does it mean? Is it an issue or is it not?

BERNIE SANDERS:That's
just media fluff. I was sick and tired of Hillary Clinton's email. I
am still sick and tired of Hillary Clinton's (UNINTEL). (LAUGHTER) And
the issue is-- the problem is the front pages every day we're dealing (?)
with that. I didn't know I had so much power. But after I said that,
without hearing much of that, Hillary (LAUGH) (UNINTEL PHRASE).

KATHIE OBRADOVICH:But (UNINTEL) all right--

BERNIE SANDERS:What
I would like for the media now (APPLAUSE) is for us to be talking about
why the middle class is disappearing while we have more people in jail
than any other country, why we have massive levels of income and wealth
inequality and we're the only major country (UNINTEL PHRASE) [without] paid family
and medical leave.

HILLARY CLINTON:I
agree completely. (LAUGHTER) (APPLAUSE) I couldn't have said it better
myself. But-- but I-- I did wanna-- I-- I wanted to follow up.

Look,
we need more Americans to be involved in the political process. And I
give Senator Sanders a lot of credit for really lighting a fire under
many people, young, old, everybody who sees a chance to be involved and
have their voice heard.

[Ironically, HRC is correct on this one. Because most Americans were turned off by billionaire dirty candidate politics, 0 was elected by 65,915,796 voters, 20% of our population, one in five Americans, hardly a representative mandate. America, the most divided since the Civil War and Amewrican Revolution, is ready for a Washington or Lincoln of our time to re-unite US:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#cite_note-VEP12-1 ]

Look at what's happening with the
Republicans. They're doing everything they can to prevent the voices of
Americans to be heard. (APPLAUSE)

They're trying to prevent people
from registering to vote. So we do need to take on the Republicans--
very clearly and directly.

[In fact, requiring positive photo ID of all voters who provide it when they buy alcohol or tobacco, enter a government buidling, fly on a plane, get a driver's license or register for welfare, reduces illegal voter fraud.]

But the other thing I just wanted quickly to
say is I think President Obama deserves more credit than he gets for
what he's gotten done-- (APPLAUSE) in Washington despite the Republican
oppression. [opposition?]

[Constitutional representative government is protected by fair elections, guns, impeachments and balance of powers. In fact, the Speaker of the House resigned because he was not representing most Americans, but special interests who funded him and his party.]

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary Clinton, just one--
more question on the email question.

[This was the first question here.]

For Democrats, there's an F.B.I.
investigation going on.

Can you satisfy Democrats who might worry about
another shoe dropping?

That you and your staff have been totally
truthful to them and that another shoe is not gonna drop?

You know, I-- I do think it's important to do
exactly what Senator Sanders said. And that is to start talking about
the issues that the American people really care about and that they talk
to each of us about and to contrast.

I mean, there are
differences among us. You've heard some of those tonight. I still
wanna get back to healthcare, because I think that's a worthy topic to
explore. But the differences among us pale compared to what's happening
on the Republican--

JOHN DICKERSON:What--

HILLARY CLINTON:--side.
And if you listen to what they say, and I had a chance over those 11
hours to watch and listen as well as what I see in their debate, they
are putting forth alarming plans.

I mean, all of us support funding
Planned Parenthood.

[In fact, most Americans do not support funding 330,000 Planned Parenthood Abortions with body part chop shops a year. 78% of Americans oppose a billion dollars a year in federal funding for any organization involved in the sale of aborted babies’ body parts. A CNN poll reveled that 58% of Americans believe that abortion “should be illegal in most” cases:

http://bit.ly/1lqEuDD ]

All of us believe climate change is real.

[Another HRC big lie. 36% believe global warming will pose a serious threat to our way of life during our lifetimes:

They don't believe in any of that.
So let's focus on what their election is really gonna be about.
(APPLAUSE)

JOHN DICKERSON:Another-- well, race relations is
another issue everyone cares about. And we're gonna switch to that
now. Governor O'Malley, let me ask you a question. The-- the head of
the F.B.I. recently said, "It might be possible that some police forces
are not enforcing the law because they're worried about being caught on
camera."

The acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration said a
similar thing.

Where-- where are you on this question and what would
you do if you were president and two top members of your administration
were floating that idea?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Well, look-- John,
I think the-- I think the call of your question is how can we improve
both public safety in America and race relations in America
understanding how very intertwined both of those issues are in a very,
very difficult and painful way for us as a people.

Look, the truth of
the matter is that we should all feel a sense of responsibility as
Americans to look for the things that actually work to save and redeem
lives and to do more of them.

[There's that lie trigger word "Look" again. Fact is, the Baltimore death and destruction riots occured after the good Governor and Mayor claimed he fixed Maryland and Baltimore with a disputed 37% reduction in violent crime:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O'Malley

And to stop doing the things that
don't. From my part, that's what I have done in 15 years of experiences
in there and as the governor, we restored voting rights to 52,000
people, we decriminalized possession of small amounts of americ-- of
marijuana.

I repealed the death penalty, and we also put in place a
civilian review board. We reported openly discourtesy and-- and lethal
force and brutality complaints.

[This is not what Baltimore residents demonstrated, with at least twenty police officers injured, at least 250 people arrested,
285 to 350 businesses damaged, 150 vehicle fires, 60 structure fires,27 drugstores looted,thousands of police and Maryland Army National Guard troops deployed, and with a state of emergency declared in the city limits of Baltimore, not a tribute to Baltimore, Maryland governance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests ]

This is something that-- and I put
forward a new agen-- agenda for criminal justice reform that is
informed by that experience. So as president, I would lead these
efforts and I would do so with more experience and probably the
attendance of more gravesites than any of the three of us on this stage
when it comes to urban-- crime, loss of lives.

And-- the truth is-- I
have learned on a very daily basis that yes indeed, black lives matter.

[So why aren't you and your fellow candidates Black?]

JOHN DICKERSON:All
right, governor. Sen-- (APPLAUSE) se-- Senator Sanders, one of your
former colleagues, an African American member of Congress said to me
recently that a young African American man had asked him where to find
hope in life. And he said, "I just don't know what to tell him about
being young and black in America today." What would you tell that young
African American man?

BERNIE SANDERS:Well, this is what I
would say. And the congressman was right-- according to the statistics
that I'm familiar with, a black male maybe born today stands a one in
four chance of ending up in the criminal justice system. Fifty-one
percent of high school African American graduates are unemployed or
underemployed. We have more people in jail today than any other country
on earth.

We're spending $80 billion locking people up disproportionately, Latino and African American. We need very clearly
major, major reform in a broken criminal justice system from top to
bottom. And that means when police officers out in a community do
illegal activity, kill people who are unarmed, who should not be killed,
they must be held accountable.

It means that we end minimum sentencing
for those people (UNINTEL). And it means that we take marijuana out of
the federal law as a crime and give space for freedom to go forward
with legalizing marijuana.

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary--
Clinton, you told some Black Lives Matter activists recently that
there's a difference between rhetoric and activism and what you were
trying to do, which is-- was enforce law-- or get laws passed that would
help what they-- were pushing for.

But-- recently at the University of
Missouri, that activism was very, very effective. So would you suggest
that kind of activism take place at other universities across the
country?

[Mob rule is effective?]

HILLARY CLINTON:Well, John, I come from-- the
'60s, a long time ago. There was a lot of activism on campus. Civil
rights activism, anti-war activism, women's rights activism. And I do--
appreciate the way young people-- are standing up and speaking out.
Obviously, I believe that on a college campus, there should be enough
respect so people hear each other.But what happened-- at the
university there, what's happening at other universities, I think
reflects the deep sense of, you know, concern, even despair that so many
young people, particularly of color have. And I recently met with a
group of mothers who lost their children to-- either-- killings by
police or random killings-- in their neighborhoods.And hearing
their stories was so incredibly, profoundly heartbreaking. Each one of
them, you know, describes their child, had a picture. You know, the
mother of the young man with his friends in the car who was playing loud
music and, you know, some older white man pulled out a gun and shot him
because they wouldn't turn the radio down.

[HRC played the race card.]

Or a young woman who
had been-- performing at President Obama's second inauguration, coming
home-- absolutely stellar young woman, hanging out with her friends in a
park, getting shot by a gang member. And of course, I-- I met the
mothers of Eric Garner and Tamir Rice and Michael Brown and Trayvon
Martin and so many of them who have lost their children.

[Is that now the job of the Secretary of State to advocate the violation of free speech by students at Amherst, Yale, Mizzou and others? Answer the question. Appealing to emotion rather than reason dumbs America down, as Ethics Alarms noted:

So your
original question is the right question, and it's not just a question
for parents and grandparents to answer. It's really a question for all
of us to answer. Every single one of our children deserves the chance
to live up to his or her god-given potential. And that's what we need
to be doing to the best of our ability in our country--

KEVIN COONEY:A
couple questions about this. Fifty-three percent of those who enroll
graduate. First question, you're just throwing a lot of money away if
we're looking at a third of these people are not going to complete
college.

[53% is closer to half, not a third.]

BERNIE SANDERS:No, it's not throwing-- it is an
extraordinary investment for this country. In Germany, many other
countries do it already.

In fact, if you remember, 50, 60 years ago,
University of California, City University of New York were virtually
tuition-free. Here it's a new (?) story.

It's not just that
college graduates should [not?] be $50,000 or $100,000 in debt.

More
importantly, I want kids in Burlington, Vermont, or Baltimore, Maryland,
who are in the six grade or the eighth grade who don't have a lot of
money, whose parents that-- like my parents, may never have gone to
college. You know what I want, Kevin? I want those kids to know that
if they study hard, they do their homework, regardless of the income of
their families, they will in fact be able to great a college education.

Because we're gonna make public colleges and universities tuition-free.
This is revolutionary for education in America. It will give hope for
millions of young people.

[What does it matter when 67.6% of Americans are out of work?:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CIVPART ]

KEVIN COONEY:21:34:41:00 Well,
one of the things that you want to do is to have the states pay for
about a third of this $70 billion plan, correct?

BERNIE SANDERS:Yes.

KEVIN COONEY:There are 16 states that are running budget deficits right now. Where are they expected to come up with--

BERNIE SANDERS:Well,
I think that they're gonna be pretty smart. If I think a lot of states
will do the right thing and I think those states that don't will pay a
heavy penalty.

[Please answer the question.]

Bottom line here is, in the year 2015, we should look at
a college degree the same we look at a high school degree, 50 or 60
years ago.

[In other words, grade inflation. Someone please explain demand and supply curves to Marxist Senator Sanders.]If you wanna make it into the middle class, I'm not
saying (UNINTEL), we need t-- plumbers and we carpenters and
electricians. That's for sure. And they should get help as well.

[Everybody must get stoned.]

But
bottom line now is, in America, in the year 2015, any person who has the
ability and desire should be able to get an education, college
education, regardless of the income of his or his family. And we must
substantially lower, as my legislation does, interest rates on student
debt.

[Thus further bankrupting student loans.]

JOHN DICKERSON:Governor O'Malley, jump in, yeah.

MARTIN O'MALLEY:Okay,
thank you. I have thought that-- (APPLAUSE) I would agree with much of
what Senator Sanders says, Kevin. I-- I believe that actually
affordable college, debt-free college is the goal that we need to attain
as a nation.

And-- unlike my three distinguished colleagues on this
stage, I actually-- made college more affordable and was the only state
that went four years in a row without a penny's increase to college
tuition.

I respectfully disagree with Senator Sanders' approach. I
believe that the goal should be debt-free college. I believe that our
federal government needs to do more on programs, states need to stop
cutting higher education, and we should create a new block grant program
that keeps the states in-- in the game, and we should lower these
outrageous interest rates that parents and kids are being charged by
their own government, 7% and 8% to go to college?

I mean, my dad
went to c-- college on the GI bill after comin' home from Japan, flying
33 missions. My daughters went to college on a mountain of bills. But
we were proud of them on graduation day. But we're going to be proud
every month for the rest of our natural lives. (LAUGHTER) It-- it
doesn't need to be that way. We can (APPLAUSE) have debt-free college
in the United States.

[But wait, there's more freebies.]

HILLARY CLINTON:Governor, if I could
just jump in. I-- I believe that we should make community college free.
We should have debt-free college if you go to a public college or
university. You should not have to borrow a dime to pay tuition. I
wanna use Pell grants to help defray-- the living expenses that often--
make a difference whether a young person can stay in school or not.

I
disagree with free college for everybody. I don't think taxpayers
should be paying to send Donald Trump's kids to college.

[Zing.]

It think it
oughta be a compact (?), (APPLAUSE) families contribute, kids
contribute, and together, we want to make it possible for our new
generation of young people to refinance their debt and not come out with
debt in the future.

[Is this Fantasy Island or a serioius Presidential Debate? Are these giveaway socialists actually running for the highest office in the land in the once greatest economy in the world? Send them back to remedial school to learn business and economics? Please.]

JOHN DICKERSON:All right, Nancy Cordes has a question.

NANCY CORDES:Back
to healthcare by popular demand.

First to you, Senator Sanders. You
prefer to scrap ObamaCare and move to a single-payer system, essentially
Medicare for all. You say you wanna put the private insurance
companies out of business. Is it realistic to think that you can pull
the plug on a $1 trillion industry?

[Good question, lousy answer. Save US from political utopians.]

BERNIE SANDERS:It's
not gonna happen tomorrow. And it's probably not gonna happen until you
have real campaign finance reform and get rid of all these super PACs
and the power of the insurance companies and the drug companies.

But at
the end of the day, Nancy, here is a question. In this great country
of ours, with so much intelligence, with so much capabilities, why do we
remain the only (UNINTEL) country on earth that does not guarantee
healthcare to all people as a right?

[And why do we rank last in the civilized world for healthcare? For the same reason. Government does not produce. It takes.]

Why do we continue to get
ripped off by the drug companies who can charge us any prices they want?
Why is it that we are spending per capita far, far more than Canada,
which is a hundred miles away from my door, that guarantees healthcare
to all people?

[Because corporate monopolies own politicians.]

It will not happen tomorrow. But when millions of
people stand up and are prepared to take on the insurance companies and
the drug companies, it will happen and I will lead that effort.

Medicare for all, single-payer system is the way we should go.
(APPLAUSE)

[That's what uninformed voters think until the rigged economy collapses.]

NANCY CORDES:Secretary Clinton, back in--
(CHEERING) Secretary Clinton, back in 1994, you said that momentum for a
single-payer system would sweep the country. That sounds Sandersesque.
But you don't feel that way anymore. Why not--

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
the revolution never came. (LAUGHTER) And I waited and I've got the
scars to show for it. We now have this great accomplishment known as
the Affordable Care Act.

[Canceled policies, higher healthcare costs for less coverage. Great accomplishment? What planet are you on Madame?]

And-- I don't think we should have to be
defending it amount [amongst] Democrats. We ought to be working to improve it and
prevent Republicans from both undermining it and even repealing it.

Puts it all
together in a big program which he then hands over to the state to
administer.

And I have to tell you, I would not want, if I lived
in Iowa, Terry Branstad administering my healthcare. (APPLAUSE)
(CHEERING)

[Iowa's longest serving Governor, in 2016 America's longest serving Governor, repeatedly elected by the people. His only disqualification would appear to be his party affiliation, more divisive politics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Branstad ]

I-- I think-- I think as Democrats, we ought to proudly
support the Affordable Care Act, improve it, and make it the model that
we know it can be--

[Our partisan government, right or wrong. Up to 55% of Americans favor repeal of 0Care, more when 2016 draconian IRS rules are enforced.]

BERNIE SANDERS:Right. Well, let me just say something--(OVERTALK)

JOHN DICKERSON:Thirty seconds--

BERNIE SANDERS:We
don't-- we don't eliminate Medicare. We expand Medicare to all people.
And we will not, under this proposal, have a situation that we have
right now with the Accordable Care Act.

We've got states like South
Carolina and many other Republican states that because of their
right-wing political ideology are denying millions of people the
expansion of Medicaid that we passed in the Affordable Care Act.

Ultimately, we have got to say as a nation, Secretary Clinton, is
healthcare a right of all people or is it not? I--(OVERTALK)

Begin the final segment of this debate
with something none of you saw coming. Something quite unexpected.
Soon after your inauguration, you will face a crisis. All presidents
do.

What crisis have you experienced in your life that suggest you've
been tested and can face that inevitable challenge? Secretary Clinton,
you first.

HILLARY CLINTON:(THROAT CLEAR) Well, there are
so many. I don't know where to start. (LAUGHTER) I guess the one I-- I
would pick is-- the fact that I was part of a very small group that had
to advice the president about whether or not to go after bin Laden. I
spent a lot of time in the situation room-- as secretary of State and
there were many very difficult-- choices presented to us.

But
probably that was the most-- challenging. Because there was no
certainty attached to it. The intelligence was by no means absolute.
We had all kinds of-- questions that we discussed. And, you know, at
the end-- I recommended to the president that we take-- the chance-- to
do what-- we could to find out whether that was bin Laden and to
finally-- bring him to justice.

[We were led to believe he was murdered, not brought to justice. Some say UBL, cousin to Bush Carlyle investors, died in Bora Bora in 2001 of kidney disease, the reason his body was buried at sea, not according to Muslim beliefs as claimed:

http://bit.ly/1lqKdJG ]

It was an excruciating experience.
I couldn't talk to anybody about it. In fact, after it happened, the
president called my husband, he called all the former presidents. And
he said to Bill, "Well, I-- I assume Hillary told you about this." And
Bill said, "No, no, she hasn't." There was nobody to talk to and it--
it really did give me an insight into the very difficult problems
presidents face--

[HRC punted on Benghazi, ethical lapses, national security and her husband's impeachment among others:

JOHN DICKERSON:Yeah. Governor O'Malley, what crisis proves that you're tested?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
I don't think that there is a crisis at the state or local level that
really you can point to and say, "Therefore I am prepared for the sort
of crises that any man or woman who is the commander in chief of our
country has to deal with."

But I can tell you this. I can tell you
that-- that as a mayor and as a governor, I learned certain disciplines
which I believe are directly applicable to that very, very-- powerful
and most-important-of-all jobs of the United States, president, whose
first and primary duty is to protect the people of our country.

You
learn that threats always change. You learn to create-- a security
cabinet. You learn to create feedback mechanisms. You learn to
constantly evaluate and understand the nature of the threats that you
are being faced with. I have been tried under many different
emergencies.

And-- I can tell you that in each of those emergencies,
whether they were-- inflicted by-- by drug gangs, whether they were
natural emergencies, I knew how to lead and I knew how to govern because
I know how to manage people in a crisis and be very clear about the
goal of protecting human life.

JOHN DICKERSON:Senator Sanders, what (APPLAUSE) experience could you draw on in a crisis--

BERNIE SANDERS:Well--
I had the honor of being chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on
Veteran Affairs for two years. And in that capacity, I met with just an
extraordinary group of people from World War II, from Korea, Vietnam,
all of the wars.

People who came back from Iraq and Afghanistan without
legs, without arms. And I've been determined to do everything that I
could to make VA healthcare the best in the world, to expand benefits to
the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend (UNINTEL).

[VA Healthcare is not the best in the world. Neither is 0Care, which BS voted for without reading it:

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/?p=7

And
we brought together legislation, supported by the American Legion, the
VFW, the DAV, Vietnam Vets, all of the veterans' organizations, which
was comprehensive, clearly the best (UNINTEL) for veterans' legislation
brought forth in decades.

I could only get two Republican votes on
that. And after 56 votes, we didn't get 60. So what I have [had] to do then
is go back and start working on a bill that wasn't the bill that I
wanted.

To (UNINTEL) people like John McCain, to (UNINTEL) people
like Jeff Miller, the Republican chairman of the House, and work on a
bill. It wasn't the bill that I wanted. But yet, it turns out to be
one of the most significant pieces of veterans' legislation passed in
recent history.

You know, the crisis was, I lost what I wanted. But I
have [had] to stand up and come back and get the best that we could.

JOHN DICKERSON:All
right, Senator Sanders. We end-- (APPLAUSE) we've ended the evening on
crisis, which underscores and reminds us again of what happened last
night. Now let's move to closing statements, Governor O'Malley?

MARTIN O'MALLEY:John,
thank you. And to all of the people of Iowa, for the role that you've
performed in this presidential selection process, if you believe that
our country's problems and the threats that we face in this world can
only be met with new thinking, new and fresh approaches, then I ask you
to join my campaign. Go onto MartinOMalley.com. No hour is too short,
no dollar too small.

If you-- we will not solve our nation's
problems by resorting to the divisive ideologies of our past or by
returning to polarizing figures from our past.

[Amen.]

We are at the threshold
of a new era of American progress.

That [?] it's going to require that we
act as Americans, based on our principles. Here at home, making an
economy that works for all of us. [sic]And also, acting according to
our principles and constructing a new foreign policy of engagement and
collaboration and doing a much better job of identifying threats before
they back us into military corners.

There is new-- no challenge too
great for the United States to confront, provided we have the ability
and the courage to put forward new leadership that can move us to those
better and safer and more prosperous (UNINTEL). I need your help.
Thank you very, very much. (APPLAUSE)

JOHN DICKERSON:Secretary-- Secretary Clinton?

HILLARY CLINTON:Well,
thank you very much to-- CBS and everyone here this evening, for giving
us another chance-- to appear before you.

[Another Chance? Remindful of Being There:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_There ]

You've heard a lot about
me-- in this debate. And I'm gonna keep talking and thinking about all
of you. Because ultimately, I think the president's job-- is to do
everything possible, everything that she can do to lift up the people of
this country.

[She? There has not been a woman President. The woman candidate for Vice President was ethically challenged and withdrew. My how things have changed.]

I've spent my entire life, since I started as a young lawyer
for the Children's Defense Fund, trying to figure out how we can even
the odds for so many people in America, this great country of ours, who
are behind, who don't have a chance.

And that's what I will do as your
president. I will work my heart out. I need your help. All of you in
Iowa, I need you to caucus for me. Please go to HillaryClinton.com and
be part of making this country what we know it can and should be.
(APPLAUSE) (CHEERING)

BERNIE SANDERS:This country today has
more income and wealth inequality than any major country on earth.

We
have a corrupt campaign finance system, dominated by super PACs.

We're
the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee healthcare to all
people.

Millions of people are gonna have to
stand up, turn off the TVs, get involved in the political process, and
tell the big monied interests that we are taking back our country.

Please go to BernieSanders.com, please become part of the political
revolution. Thank you. (CHEERING) (APPLAUSE)

JOHN DICKERSON:All right, back with some final thoughts in a moment. (MUSIC)

And
as the candidates are thanking each other for a good debate, Clinton,
Sanders, and O'Malley now have two debates in the books, so four more to
come.

So, Major Garrett, how did they do tonight and what's getting
the most talked about on Twitter? Major Garrett is with us in this
finale.

MAJOR GARRETT: So, John, our partnership with
Twitter reveals the most-talked-about moments for each of the three
candidates-- when you're having this kind of conversation, it doesn't
mean it's all good, it could be good and bad, but it's what drove the
conversation most.

In order: Hillary Clinton, when she defended her
integrity on campaign contributions and mentioned 60% of her donors are
women. That was her big spike moment.

For Bernie Sanders, it's
when he called Dwight D. Eisenhower a noted socialist for referring to
his (CHEERING) income tax bracket being very high and much higher than
they are now.

Martin O'Malley's big spike moment is when he called
Donald Trump an immigrant-bashing-- (CHEERING) carnival barker.

And
remember that as the (UNINTEL PHRASE) plan for Martin O'Malley,
immigrant-bashing-- carnival barker for (CHEERING) Donald Trump.

Those
are the big fight moments for the three candidates, as recorded by
Twitter, our partnership with them has revealed the most interesting
moments of conversation as defined by the three candidates. John?

JOHN DICKERSON:(UNINTEL)
thanks so much, Major Garrett. Thanks all of you for joining us for
this Democratic president debate, hosted by Drake University in Des
Moines, Iowa. CBS News will bring you a debate on the Republican
candidates on February 13th, from Greenville, South Carolina.

I will
have much more about the presidential race and the Paris attack tomorrow
on Face the Nation. (MUSIC) Our guests include Senator Sanders.

And
you can see more on post-debate coverage on our 24-hour digital news
network, CBSN which is available on all devices at CBSNews.com. From my
CBS News colleagues, Major Garrett and Nancy Cordes, Kevin Cooney of
KCCI, and Kathie Obradovich of The Des Moines Register, and with a
thanks to all the folks here at Drake for their hospitality. I'm John
Dickerson. Good night. (APPLAUSE)* * *END OF TRANSCRIPT* * *http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-transcript-clinton-sanders-omalley-in-iowa/

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