From ohrbit at bluewin.ch Tue May 23 10:30:37 2006
From: ohrbit at bluewin.ch (Markus Maurer)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:30:37 +0200
Subject: [Pdml] OT:Mail send and receive test
In-Reply-To: <2c44384d0604111803w29404986n88f61ade8a2b917c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Hi Pentaxians
I resubscribed and hope that this will fix it :-)
greetings
Markus
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Tue May 23 11:04:25 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:04:25 -0600
Subject: [Pdml] check
Message-ID: <003101c67e7a$2fd16600$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
check
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 11:13:36 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:13:36 EDT
Subject: [Pdml] YAT (Yet Another Test)
Message-ID: <325.4d3d5d7.31a480a0@aol.com>
Test
Marnie aka Doe
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 11:19:16 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:19:16 EDT
Subject: [Pdml] YAT (Yet Another Test)
Message-ID: <414.2a6b316.31a481f4@aol.com>
Okay, I resubscribed and it seems to work.
http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Fingers crossed.
Marnie aka Doe However, hitting reply didn't. It didn't send the reply to
the list, it sent it to me.
From allaround6 at earthlink.net Tue May 23 11:27:38 2006
From: allaround6 at earthlink.net (Paul Sorenson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:27:38 -0500
Subject: [Pdml] YAT (Yet Another Test)
In-Reply-To: <414.2a6b316.31a481f4@aol.com>
References: <414.2a6b316.31a481f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <447329EA.7050108@earthlink.net>
Looks like it needs a "reply to:" in the header from the server
Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> Okay, I resubscribed and it seems to work.
>
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
> Fingers crossed.
>
> Marnie aka Doe However, hitting reply didn't. It didn't send the reply to
> the list, it sent it to me.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdml mailing list
> Pdml at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
From allaround6 at earthlink.net Tue May 23 12:12:02 2006
From: allaround6 at earthlink.net (Paul Sorenson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Pdml] Pentax announcement
Message-ID: <44733452.7070706@earthlink.net>
The K100 series
http://www.pentaxslr.com/home?utm_source=PopPhoto&utm_medium=banner&utm_term=Leaderboard&utm_content=728x90&utm_campaign=kseries
http://tinyurl.com/ztvgo
From michel.carrere-gee at wanadoo.fr Tue May 23 12:35:21 2006
From: michel.carrere-gee at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michel_Carr=E8re-G=E9e?=)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:35:21 +0200
Subject: [Pdml] Test ?
In-Reply-To: <44715C5E.5020703@wanadoo.fr>
References: <44715C5E.5020703@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <447339C9.4040505@wanadoo.fr>
Michel Carr?re-G?e a ?crit :
> ?
>
Working ?
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 13:46:33 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:46:33 -0500
Subject: re-subbed again...
Message-ID:
This is, as many have been doing I'm sure, a test.
-Charles
--
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charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 13:51:47 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:51:47 -0700
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
Message-ID: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net>
.. or, better than what has been normal. Thanks Doug ...
Shel
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 13:52:23 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (pnstenquist at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:52:23 +0000
Subject: re-subbed again...
Message-ID: <052320061752.4426.44734BD7000A58910000114A22070208539B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
I think Doug has subbed us. I received a message to that effect.
Paul
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Charles Robinson
> This is, as many have been doing I'm sure, a test.
>
> -Charles
>
> --
> Charles Robinson
> charlesr at visi.com
> Minneapolis, MN
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
>
>
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> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 13:52:19 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:19 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060522173214.GI18455@trokan.micronas.com>
References: <20060522173214.GI18455@trokan.micronas.com>
Message-ID: <44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com>
K100D and K110D actually.
It's a DS/DL cross. Mostly DL, DS AF unit + anti-shake on the 100, no AS
on the 110. Crappy buffer (3 RAW, 5 JPEG) according to the PDF at
pentaxslr.com. Comes in right between the DL and DS from what I can see.
Looks like a nice little body, but badly needs a bigger buffer unless
the write speeds are spectacular.
The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
-Adam
Martin Trautmann wrote:
> The next D model will be named K100D (or K100-D or K100 D)?
>
> anti shake mechanism,
> wide angle monitor (140 deg visible),
> no live view, but 'pre-shot'
>
> http://foto-info.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/K100D-21.jpg
>
> I'm waiting for the price tag now :-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML
> PDML at pdml.net
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From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Tue May 23 13:47:48 2006
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:48 -0400
Subject: The NEW PDML up?
Message-ID:
Everyone suffering from withdrawal?
--
Perry Pellechia
Primary email: pellechia at sc.edu
Alternate email: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 13:57:53 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (pnstenquist at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:57:53 +0000
Subject: Thanks Doug!
Message-ID: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
Paul
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 13:55:30 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:55:30 -0500
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 12:51, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> .. or, better than what has been normal. Thanks Doug ...
>
Testing a reply.
I notice from my email software that the default "reply-to" goes back
to both the original poster AND to the list... Not my preferred
configuration, for what that's worth.
-Charles
--
Charles Robinson
charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From bdipert at pacbell.net Tue May 23 13:55:33 2006
From: bdipert at pacbell.net (Brian Dipert)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:55:33 -0700
Subject: Test II
Message-ID:
Ping again....ack? Durned hairballs.....
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From d.bonazza at tin.it Tue May 23 13:55:24 2006
From: d.bonazza at tin.it (Dario Bonazza)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:55:24 +0200
Subject: re-subbed again...
References:
Message-ID: <008401c67e92$1278cef0$39c93152@winfsjh496j33q>
...and this is another one.
Dario
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Robinson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: re-subbed again...
> This is, as many have been doing I'm sure, a test.
>
> -Charles
>
> --
> Charles Robinson
> charlesr at visi.com
> Minneapolis, MN
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Dicuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From snagglepuss31 at gmail.com Tue May 23 14:01:14 2006
From: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com (Perry Pellechia)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:01:14 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
Ditto,
Thanks Doug.
On 5/23/06, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Dicuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
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Alternate email: snagglepuss31 at gmail.com
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 14:13:22 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:13:22 -0700
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID: <410-22006522318132215@earthlink.net>
According to a couple of web sites, the K110D with 18~55 lens will be
$600.00 and the K100D with the same lens will be $700.00
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Adam Maas
> > http://foto-info.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/K100D-21.jpg
From fotoralf at gmx.de Tue May 23 14:14:25 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:14:25 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Adam Maas wrote:
> The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
Ralf
--
Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - K?ln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
From fotoralf at gmx.de Tue May 23 14:14:25 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:14:25 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Adam Maas wrote:
> The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
Ralf
--
Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - K?ln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Tue May 23 14:19:19 2006
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:19:19 -0500
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4aa39d670605231119r29165ac4nf904045d5b21196d@mail.gmail.com>
Doug,
I think we all owe you a beer, at least.
Looking forward to GFM to pay off my debt.
Thanks, Bob S.
On 5/23/06, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Dicuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
From powellha at shaw.ca Tue May 23 14:19:58 2006
From: powellha at shaw.ca (Powell Hargrave)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:19:58 -0700
Subject: Hello, Am I here
Message-ID: <4.1.20060523111921.00adb980@shawmail>
Thanks Doug
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 14:22:28 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:22:28 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
Why?
6MP is all most consumers will need. At its price point, it's offering
something you can't get any other way -- interchangeable lenses with
anti-shake, without buying new lenses and without needing to buy
expensive, "pro" lenses.
In fact, 6MP is significantly more than pro newspaper guys need -- at
ballgames, the most commonly seen cameras are the D2H and the EOS-1.
Certainly, people who spend all their time measuring things and must
have the highest number to be happy will not want this camera. It's
not meant for them.
-Aaron
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 14:23:23 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:23:23 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
>
>>The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>
>
> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>
> I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>
> Ralf
>
6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
-Adam
From godders at mac.com Tue May 23 14:24:42 2006
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:24:42 -0700
Subject: another test...
Message-ID: <5F23B18A-B139-4D24-9A4B-0DE14A57627A@mac.com>
From malcolmsmith1 at btinternet.com Tue May 23 14:25:17 2006
From: malcolmsmith1 at btinternet.com (Malcolm Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:25:17 +0100
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now,
> he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man!
> Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
Quite agree Paul, thanks Doug.
My in box has been quite empty of all the information provided here.
Malcolm
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 14:25:25 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:25 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <410-22006522318132215@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006522318132215@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44735395.2020303@mykroft.com>
The websites quoting that price include pentaxslr.com, which is Pentax USA.
It's DL pricing currently, and a visible upgrade (better AF, Anti-shake
on the 100).
The DS's aren't even there anymore, and the DL2 is listed at the same
price as the K110D now.
-Adam
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> According to a couple of web sites, the K110D with 18~55 lens will be
> $600.00 and the K100D with the same lens will be $700.00
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Adam Maas
>
>
>>>http://foto-info.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/K100D-21.jpg
>
>
>
>
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From lonw at isoc.net Tue May 23 14:30:47 2006
From: lonw at isoc.net (Lon Williamson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:30:47 -0400
Subject: test
Message-ID: <447354D7.703@isoc.net>
test
From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Tue May 23 14:23:54 2006
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:23:54 -0500
Subject: PESO: Abe's House (again)
Message-ID: <4aa39d670605231123p78234e8w1dc5c3b268e83c07@mail.gmail.com>
(So I tried sending this just before the crash, here it is again)
Somebody called for a PESO so here is one...
http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Lincoln.jpg
(From a jpeg shot with a *ist DS and 16-45 zoom.
16mm @ f4 for 1/45 second and perspective
corrected in Paint Shop Pro 10.02)
Of course, this is the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC.
I am facinated by the people I find there whenever I go.
I'm still experimenting with how to capture the people and place.
Regards, Bob S.
From tomatoe333 at gmail.com Tue May 23 14:28:57 2006
From: tomatoe333 at gmail.com (Mat Maessen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: testing testing
Message-ID: <1cb09a490605231128n8f1bfdate1a46a9aa20f4fff@mail.gmail.com>
1 2 3 check check mastercard visa check...
Checks may be mailed to...
-Mat
From norman at cellectivecase.com Tue May 23 14:29:26 2006
From: norman at cellectivecase.com (Norman Baugher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:29:26 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c67e96$d2b306a0$690910ac@irlny.net>
Thanks Doug...
From:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it
> from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 14:32:09 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (Unca Mikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:32:09 -0500
Subject: Enough testing! You passed!
Message-ID:
OK, enough testing! You all passed the test! Start sending pictures
for me to look at!
*>Unca Mikey
From pentax.pan at vollholz.de Tue May 23 14:34:00 2006
From: pentax.pan at vollholz.de (Pancho Hasselbach)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:34:00 +0200
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To:
References: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44735598.9090708@vollholz.de>
Charles Robinson schrieb:
> On May 23, 2006, at 12:51, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>>.. or, better than what has been normal. Thanks Doug ...
>
> Testing a reply.
>
> I notice from my email software that the default "reply-to" goes back
> to both the original poster AND to the list... Not my preferred
> configuration, for what that's worth.
Testing, too. but from Mozilla mail, a reply goes to whom it should, the
reply-to address only. Seconding Shel's thanks.
Pancho
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From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 14:36:48 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:36:48 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID:
Don't be ridiculous.
John
On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:14:25 +0100, Ralf R. Radermacher
wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
>> The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>
> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>
> I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>
> Ralf
>
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
From tomatoe333 at gmail.com Tue May 23 14:37:22 2006
From: tomatoe333 at gmail.com (Mat Maessen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:37:22 -0400
Subject: PESO: Abe's House (again)
In-Reply-To: <4aa39d670605231123p78234e8w1dc5c3b268e83c07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4aa39d670605231123p78234e8w1dc5c3b268e83c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cb09a490605231137m4bca3de1j4c71d41274c76062@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Lincoln.jpg
I like the composition and the shape/form, but the blown-out sky on
the left detracts from the image, especially with the abundance of
white in the rest of the frame.
-Mat
From photolucas at gmx.net Tue May 23 14:38:40 2006
From: photolucas at gmx.net (Lucas Rijnders)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:38:40 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:23:23 +0200, Adam Maas wrote:
> Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>>
>>
>> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
>> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>>
>> I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>
> 6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
> from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
that you can't get by improving your timing?
Genuinly curious,
--
Regards, Lucas
From pentax.pan at vollholz.de Tue May 23 14:45:33 2006
From: pentax.pan at vollholz.de (Pancho Hasselbach)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:45:33 +0200
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <4aa39d670605231119r29165ac4nf904045d5b21196d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
<4aa39d670605231119r29165ac4nf904045d5b21196d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4473584D.2030905@vollholz.de>
Doug,
if you ever happen to get to germany, be sure you'll get a beer (or
two...) here, thank you!
There was a hole in my life that's filled up now (is there a life beyond
PDML?). Response time is great.
Pancho
Bob Sullivan schrieb:
> Doug,
> I think we all owe you a beer, at least.
> Looking forward to GFM to pay off my debt.
> Thanks, Bob S.
>
> On 5/23/06, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
>
>>First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
>>Paul
From pentax.pan at vollholz.de Tue May 23 14:47:04 2006
From: pentax.pan at vollholz.de (Pancho Hasselbach)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:47:04 +0200
Subject: Enough testing! You passed!
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <447358A8.9090900@vollholz.de>
Unca,
I'm awaiting those pictures of yours taken with that Limited 40!
Pancho
Unca Mikey schrieb:
> OK, enough testing! You all passed the test! Start sending pictures
> for me to look at!
>
> *>Unca Mikey
From pentax.pan at vollholz.de Tue May 23 14:48:06 2006
From: pentax.pan at vollholz.de (Pancho Hasselbach)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:48:06 +0200
Subject: Hello, Am I here
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20060523111921.00adb980@shawmail>
References: <4.1.20060523111921.00adb980@shawmail>
Message-ID: <447358E6.3040009@vollholz.de>
No, Powell, you're not here, can't see you anywhere. You must be there.
Pancho
Powell Hargrave schrieb:
> Thanks Doug
From fotoralf at gmx.de Tue May 23 14:49:19 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:49:19 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
John Forbes wrote:
> Don't be ridiculous.
Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
Ralf
--
Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - K?ln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
From pdml at web-options.com Tue May 23 14:50:06 2006
From: pdml at web-options.com (Bob W)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:50:06 +0100
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
Ditto
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of pnstenquist at comcast.net
> Sent: 23 May 2006 18:58
> To: pdml at pdml.net
> Subject: Thanks Doug!
>
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now,
> he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man!
> Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
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> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
>
From dougbrewer at adelphia.net Tue May 23 14:53:30 2006
From: dougbrewer at adelphia.net (dougbrewer at adelphia.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:53:30 -0700
Subject: From The List Guy
Message-ID: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
First, let me apologize for the delay. When I first moved the list, I was silly enough to think that if a company offered mail list software, they would enable you to use it. Apparently, that's not necessarily the case. Choking back the server to a max of 500 emails an hour meant that one message distributed to the list filled the quota for that hour. I have a feeling that a number of messages still in the queue from that company will be trickling in over the course of several days.
That was my fault. I should have done better research on the hosting company, and found the obscure reference in the Knowledge base having to do with the email governor. Please note the sarcasm.
So then I had to scramble for another host that offered both MailMan and unlimited activity. Many websites, searches, emails and phone calls later, I found one, and then had to wait for the new name servers to propagate through the Net, and they wanted to wait until that was done before giving me admin access.... So I waited.....
I finally got the access this afternoon, and have been configuring the list. It's running pretty bare bones right now, and I'll go back in a few minutes to tweak the settings a bit more. I also have to write up all the old FAQ pages, et al, to get the site itself up and running.
Now, for a little info...
The old list address, "Pentax-discuss at pdml.net," is no more. It will go into the ether. I've long thought it was a rather long address, and so setting this up, I went with the somewhat enigmatic, but certainly sportier, PDML as the name on the list address.
Most of your subscription settings can be done through the Web interface, and you can get there through a link in the footer of each list message. This should enable even the most technologically challenged among us to subscribe and unsubscribe.
My mailbox is, as always, open to suggestions, whines, threats, and all that. Please don't take it personally if I don't respond immediately, or at all. Sometimes I find it better to let you just vent, and sometimes I don't think whatever has been suggested, especially in regards to acts I am no longer flexible enough to perform, even if I was interested, are simply better left ignored.
With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
Many regards,
Doug
List Guy
From pdml at web-options.com Tue May 23 14:55:25 2006
From: pdml at web-options.com (Bob W)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:55:25 +0100
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
Message-ID:
Resending as a ping, but with content...
--
Cheers,
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob W [mailto:pdml at web-options.com]
Sent: 21 May 2006 14:18
To: 'pentax-discuss at pdml.net'
Subject: Giacomelli
Hi,
Today I browsed through a (too large) book of photographs by Giacomelli. I
had not realised how many of his photos I was familiar with, or how good he
is. He had a very graphic eye (his early training was in typography), and
the geometry & poetry of many of his photos is similar to that of HCB.
Indeed, they shot many of the same subjects.
Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
Those of you who are familiar with the Stella Artois "Ice Skating Priests"
advert will spot the influence.
http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=22733
--
Cheers,
Bob
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 14:58:54 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:58:54 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <44735B6E.6020204@mykroft.com>
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:23:23 +0200, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>
>>Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
>>
>>>Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>>>
>>>
>>>...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
>>>pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>>>
>>>I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>>>
>>>Ralf
>>>
>>
>>6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
>>from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
>
>
> At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
> consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
> that you can't get by improving your timing?
>
> Genuinly curious,
3 frames for me, I shoot nothing but RAW. And I've filled the buffer on
the D before doing studio work. Not filling at 2fps, but write speeds,
on the D at least, are slow enough that you can fill the buffer at
0.5fps. The DS and DL are notably faster, but you can still do that (My
D50 on the other hand can write RAW's at 1fps).
-Adam
From sdloveless at gmail.com Tue May 23 15:01:23 2006
From: sdloveless at gmail.com (Scott Loveless)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:01:23 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2c44384d0605231201t66662aacv257285b6e44265c9@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
>
For the first time in over a year I've had extra time on my hands. I
went to bed at a reasonable hour. I went outside and took pictures.
But now the list is working again. Thanks, Doug. Thanks a lot.
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
Clones are people two.
From rgpdml at netscape.net Tue May 23 15:06:48 2006
From: rgpdml at netscape.net (Gonz)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:06:48 -0500
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <44735D48.9040801@netscape.net>
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:23:23 +0200, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>
>>Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
>>
>>>Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>>>
>>>
>>>...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
>>>pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>>>
>>>I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>>>
>>>Ralf
>>>
>>
>>6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
>>from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
>
>
> At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
> consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
> that you can't get by improving your timing?
>
Maybe not the frame rate, but certainly the buffer depth. I have run
into many situations where I manually fired off several shots, only to
run into the buffer limit on my D, then subsequently missed some nice
shots while the buffer was emptying.
> Genuinly curious,
--
Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I
was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's
a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man?
- Mitch Hedberg
From norman at cellectivecase.com Tue May 23 15:07:54 2006
From: norman at cellectivecase.com (Norman Baugher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:07:54 -0400
Subject: From The List Guy
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <005d01c67e9c$32644d70$690910ac@irlny.net>
I'm just shaking my head, I can't believe you didn't know that
beforehand.....incredible.
Norm
From:
> That was my fault. I should have done better research on the hosting
> company, and found the obscure reference in the Knowledge base having to
> do with the email governor.
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 15:08:25 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:08:25 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
They were scuttled by shareholders for introducing an innovative and
very well priced digital SLR?
-Aaron
From sdloveless at gmail.com Tue May 23 15:11:07 2006
From: sdloveless at gmail.com (Scott Loveless)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:11:07 -0400
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <2c44384d0605231211t690e6696xd3b1862cab993357@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, dougbrewer at adelphia.net wrote:
> Most of your subscription settings can be done through the Web interface, and you can get there through a link in the footer of each list message. This should enable even the most technologically challenged among us to subscribe and unsubscribe.
>
Oh, sure. Ruin all the fun.
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
Clones are people two.
From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 15:12:18 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:12:18 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID:
Can you please not start another long, boring, stupid, thread about Pentax
going downhill. The company is actually doing rather well. It has set
out its plans for the future, and it is sticking to them. But it won't
survive if morons keep running it down for no good reason.
Give 'em a chance, for God's sake.
John
On Tue, 23 May 2006 19:49:19 +0100, Ralf R. Radermacher
wrote:
> John Forbes wrote:
>
>> Don't be ridiculous.
>
> Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
>
> Ralf
>
--
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From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 15:13:32 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:13:32 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44735D48.9040801@netscape.net>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
<44735D48.9040801@netscape.net>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Gonz wrote:
> Maybe not the frame rate, but certainly the buffer depth. I have run
> into many situations where I manually fired off several shots, only to
> run into the buffer limit on my D, then subsequently missed some nice
> shots while the buffer was emptying.
Out of curiosity, do we know that the buffer is actually smaller than
the DS2? I've seen two different numbers quoted for the DS2 -- that it
has a five-frame buffer, and that it can shoot 8 continuous jpegs.
Both are true -- and you can shoot more than 8 with a fast card,
generally ten.
Now, if they've just decided to quote the "five frame buffer" for the
sake of clarity and legality, that doesn't actually make it any slower
than the DS2, which runs rings around the original D.
-Aaron
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 15:14:29 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:14:29 -0500
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To: <44735598.9090708@vollholz.de>
References: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net>
<44735598.9090708@vollholz.de>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 13:34, Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
>>
>> Testing a reply.
>>
>> I notice from my email software that the default "reply-to" goes back
>> to both the original poster AND to the list... Not my preferred
>> configuration, for what that's worth.
>
> Testing, too. but from Mozilla mail, a reply goes to whom it
> should, the
> reply-to address only. Seconding Shel's thanks.
>
Weird. Looks like it was just that one message from Shel that had the
TWO "reply-to" addresses. Ah well.
-Charles
--
Charles Robinson
charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From christian at skofteland.net Tue May 23 15:24:07 2006
From: christian at skofteland.net (Christian)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:24:07 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>
> In fact, 6MP is significantly more than pro newspaper guys need -- at
> ballgames, the most commonly seen cameras are the D2H and the EOS-1.
Funny, I see a lot of 8MP 8FPS 1D Mark II on the sidelines....
--
Christian
http://photography.skofteland.net
From allaround6 at earthlink.net Tue May 23 15:26:30 2006
From: allaround6 at earthlink.net (Paul Sorenson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:26:30 -0500
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To:
References: <410-220065223175147531@earthlink.net> <44735598.9090708@vollholz.de>
Message-ID: <447361E6.2080200@earthlink.net>
It worked that way for several of us earlier today. I suspect that was
one of the glitches that Doug fixed. Works like it's supposed to now in
Thunderbird.
-P
Charles Robinson wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 13:34, Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
>>> Testing a reply.
>>>
>>> I notice from my email software that the default "reply-to" goes back
>>> to both the original poster AND to the list... Not my preferred
>>> configuration, for what that's worth.
>> Testing, too. but from Mozilla mail, a reply goes to whom it
>> should, the
>> reply-to address only. Seconding Shel's thanks.
>>
>
> Weird. Looks like it was just that one message from Shel that had the
> TWO "reply-to" addresses. Ah well.
>
> -Charles
>
> --
> Charles Robinson
> charlesr at visi.com
> Minneapolis, MN
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
>
>
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From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:32:38 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (Unca Mikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:38 -0500
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
Message-ID:
(I posted a version of this over on photo.net. Since PDML is up and
going again (thanks Doug!) I thought I'd post here, too.)
The *ist 35mm can't be easily used with lenses that don't have an A
setting. The MZ-S cannot set aperture on the body, so it doesn't
work that well with lenses that lack an aperture ring.
I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode, however,
moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
ZX-7 works the same way.)
This is so simple and easy, I wonder why Pentax did not do this for
both the MZ-S and *ist. I can't imagine it would have been difficult
or expensive.
And yes, I know this question is purely academic now, since Pentax
probably won't be putting much (any?) effort into film SLRs.
*>UncaMikey
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uncamikey/
From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:33:08 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Enough testing! You passed!
In-Reply-To: <447358A8.9090900@vollholz.de>
Message-ID: <20060523193309.88572.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hi Pancho--
That DA 40mm Limited is easily my favorite lens nowadays. The
equipment is great, but the operator needs quite a bit of improvement,
LOL. I hope to have some snaps good enough to share soon.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Pancho Hasselbach wrote:
> Unca,
>
> I'm awaiting those pictures of yours taken with that Limited 40!
>
> Pancho
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From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 15:34:42 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:34:42 -0500
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
Message-ID: <8889AAFB-1F5E-4D8E-AF7B-DBA4C0E76578@visi.com>
I took a trip last week to some friends in New Jersey (actually,
quite a pretty state!) and took at least one photo that I really
really like:
http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_jersey/pages/page_107.html
(there are variations on this if you scroll to the prior images)
-Charles
--
Charles Robinson
charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From photolucas at gmx.net Tue May 23 15:37:52 2006
From: photolucas at gmx.net (Lucas Rijnders)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:37:52 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44735B6E.6020204@mykroft.com>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
<44735B6E.6020204@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
Adam:
>>> 6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
>>> from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
Lucas:
>> At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
>> consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any
>> pictures
>> that you can't get by improving your timing?
>>
>> Genuinly curious,
Adam:
> 3 frames for me, I shoot nothing but RAW. And I've filled the buffer on
> the D before doing studio work. Not filling at 2fps, but write speeds,
> on the D at least, are slow enough that you can fill the buffer at
> 0.5fps. The DS and DL are notably faster, but you can still do that
O.k., I see... Still, how many of the K100's will see the inside of a
studio?
> (My D50 on the other hand can write RAW's at 1fps).
So it can be done... Is the write speed of the K100 known?
--
Regards, Lucas
From fotoralf at gmx.de Tue May 23 15:42:43 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:42:43 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <1hft7n0.5j9a788mlwxsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
John Forbes wrote:
> Can you please not start another long, boring, stupid, thread about Pentax
> going downhill.
OK. Let's see. Snowwhite and the seven dwarves...
Ralf
--
Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - K?ln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
From godders at mac.com Tue May 23 15:44:08 2006
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:44:08 -0700
Subject: PAW 2006 - 07, 08, 09 - GDG (resend)
Message-ID: <1B8616AA-993C-49D5-8446-C196A74E93D5@mac.com>
This went out just as the list started to move ...
The Pentax FA77 Limited lens arrived last week but I've been busy:
only had time yesterday morning to finally go out for a walk with it.
I was most interested to see the wide aperture rendering qualities so
did a number of exposures at wide open or near wide open.
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/07.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/08.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/09.htm
Larger renderings are included, just click on the image on that page.
Comments and critique always appreciated.
My conclusion: this is a lovely lens. Expensive but worth it.
---
At the same time, the custom focusing screen for the DS from Katz Eye
Optics I'd ordered arrived, so I've been testing with that as well.
Worth it: I like it much more than either of the Pentax screens I
have at my disposal. It has nicer focusing tooth for manual focusing
and is less cluttered.
enjoy,
Godfrey
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 15:45:24 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:45:24 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
<44735D48.9040801@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <44736654.1040902@mykroft.com>
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Gonz wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe not the frame rate, but certainly the buffer depth. I have run
>>into many situations where I manually fired off several shots, only to
>>run into the buffer limit on my D, then subsequently missed some nice
>>shots while the buffer was emptying.
>
>
> Out of curiosity, do we know that the buffer is actually smaller than
> the DS2? I've seen two different numbers quoted for the DS2 -- that it
> has a five-frame buffer, and that it can shoot 8 continuous jpegs.
> Both are true -- and you can shoot more than 8 with a fast card,
> generally ten.
>
> Now, if they've just decided to quote the "five frame buffer" for the
> sake of clarity and legality, that doesn't actually make it any slower
> than the DS2, which runs rings around the original D.
>
> -Aaron
>
I grabbed the PDF of specs from the pentaxslr.com site. It's listed as 3
RAW and 5 JPEG's in continuous mode, basicly the same as the DL and
smaller than the DS. Depending on write speed, this could be an issue.
My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
-Adam
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 15:47:02 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:47:02 -0500
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 14:32, Unca Mikey wrote:
> I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
> lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode, however,
> moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
> ZX-7 works the same way.)
>
I just picked up a used Program Plus (with 50mm M 1.4 lens) and found
that it works the same way as well. Handy!
Sure would be cool if the upcoming 10MP ueber-camera behaved the same
way. Could a kid dare dream??
-Charles
--
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charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
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From rwomer1004 at yahoo.com Tue May 23 15:47:14 2006
From: rwomer1004 at yahoo.com (Rick Womer)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PESO: Abe's House (again)
In-Reply-To: <4aa39d670605231123p78234e8w1dc5c3b268e83c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060523194715.81245.qmail@web61120.mail.yahoo.com>
I like this shot, Bob! The relationship between Abe
and the people is nicely done.
Rick
--- Bob Sullivan wrote:
> (So I tried sending this just before the crash, here
> it is again)
>
> Somebody called for a PESO so here is one...
>
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Lincoln.jpg
>
> (From a jpeg shot with a *ist DS and 16-45 zoom.
> 16mm @ f4 for 1/45 second and perspective
> corrected in Paint Shop Pro 10.02)
>
> Of course, this is the Lincoln Memorial in
> Washington, DC.
> I am facinated by the people I find there whenever I
> go.
> I'm still experimenting with how to capture the
> people and place.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
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From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 15:49:03 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (pnstenquist at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:49:03 +0000
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID: <052320061949.19722.4473672F0004CA0400004D0A22073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Those are probably magazine guys. You do need 6 megapixels or more for that kind of work. But newspapers don't require that much resolution. I recently sold a shot to the NY Times that ran about three columns wide. I remember being surprised at how small a file they wanted. They asked for an 8 or 9 quality jpeg of about 300K, which translates to about 3 megapixels.
Paul
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Christian
> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > In fact, 6MP is significantly more than pro newspaper guys need -- at
> > ballgames, the most commonly seen cameras are the D2H and the EOS-1.
>
> Funny, I see a lot of 8MP 8FPS 1D Mark II on the sidelines....
>
> --
>
> Christian
> http://photography.skofteland.net
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From fotoralf at gmx.de Tue May 23 15:51:24 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:51:24 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44736654.1040902@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Adam Maas wrote:
> My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
> and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
I find that with the exception of the stabilization its a major step
back compared to the DS. I'd never have bought my DS if it hadn't been
for its viewfinder.
Ralf
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manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 15:51:32 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (pnstenquist at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:51:32 +0000
Subject: PAW 2006 - 07, 08, 09 - GDG (resend)
Message-ID: <052320061951.25157.447367C4000112280000624522073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
PAW6 09 is captivating. Fascinating shot.
Paul
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> This went out just as the list started to move ...
>
> The Pentax FA77 Limited lens arrived last week but I've been busy:
> only had time yesterday morning to finally go out for a walk with it.
> I was most interested to see the wide aperture rendering qualities so
> did a number of exposures at wide open or near wide open.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/07.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/08.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/09.htm
>
> Larger renderings are included, just click on the image on that page.
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
>
> My conclusion: this is a lovely lens. Expensive but worth it.
>
> ---
> At the same time, the custom focusing screen for the DS from Katz Eye
> Optics I'd ordered arrived, so I've been testing with that as well.
> Worth it: I like it much more than either of the Pentax screens I
> have at my disposal. It has nicer focusing tooth for manual focusing
> and is less cluttered.
>
> enjoy,
> Godfrey
>
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From cakaltm at hotmail.com Tue May 23 15:56:55 2006
From: cakaltm at hotmail.com (Tom C)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:56:55 -0600
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Yeah it looks like we might have a war in the first couple of hours! :-)
Tom C.
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 15:57:36 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:57:36 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
Message-ID: <39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
On May 23, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Christian wrote:
> Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> In fact, 6MP is significantly more than pro newspaper guys need -- at
>> ballgames, the most commonly seen cameras are the D2H and the EOS-1.
>
> Funny, I see a lot of 8MP 8FPS 1D Mark II on the sidelines....
Really? Who are they shooting for, and are they shooting 8MP?
-Aaron
From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 15:58:57 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:58:57 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com>
<1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20060523195857.GA12979@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 08:14:25PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
> > The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>
> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
I doubt it.
Several people, on several discussion groups, have already said that
they would rather see a 6MP camera than a 10MP one - 6MP is more than
enough for anything up to an 8x10 print, and more pixels means
smaller (and therefore, presumably, noisier) pixels. Plus there's
the 66% increase in RAW file size (less images per card, more disk
space needed on your home computer, etc.)
Admittedly this isn't the camera those folks want (small buffer, no
pentaprism, etc.). But a camera system with shake reduction with
*any* lens (including all those great old manual focus lenses) at
$700 (and that's the introductory price; expect it to drop lower)
will probably sell quite well. It could well be the digital K1000.
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 15:57:07 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (pnstenquist at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:57:07 +0000
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
Message-ID: <052320061957.6218.4473691300018DB20000184A22073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Nice shot. Where in Jersey were you?
Paul
(former Joisey boy)
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Charles Robinson
> I took a trip last week to some friends in New Jersey (actually,
> quite a pretty state!) and took at least one photo that I really
> really like:
>
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_jersey/pages/page_107.html
>
> (there are variations on this if you scroll to the prior images)
>
> -Charles
>
> --
> Charles Robinson
> charlesr at visi.com
> Minneapolis, MN
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
>
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From larrylevy at sprintmail.com Tue May 23 16:02:46 2006
From: larrylevy at sprintmail.com (Larry Levy)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:02:46 -0500
Subject: test
References: <447354D7.703@isoc.net>
Message-ID: <009501c67ea3$dc684db0$220110ac@DynaSpecsLarry>
Test works
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lon Williamson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: test
> test
>
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From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 16:04:03 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:04:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PAW 2006 - 07, 08, 09 - GDG (resend)
In-Reply-To: <052320061951.25157.447367C4000112280000624522073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20060523200403.20362.qmail@web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Oh yes, I agree, I really like that one, 09. And all three are great
salesmen for the 77 Ltd.
*>Unca Mikey
--- pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> PAW6 09 is captivating. Fascinating shot.
> Paul
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > This went out just as the list started to move ...
> >
> > The Pentax FA77 Limited lens arrived last week but I've been busy:
>
> > only had time yesterday morning to finally go out for a walk with
> it.
> > I was most interested to see the wide aperture rendering qualities
> so
> > did a number of exposures at wide open or near wide open.
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/07.htm
> > http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/08.htm
> > http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/09.htm
> >
> > Larger renderings are included, just click on the image on that
> page.
> > Comments and critique always appreciated.
> >
> > My conclusion: this is a lovely lens. Expensive but worth it.
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From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 16:05:09 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:05:09 -0500
Subject: PAW 2006 - 07, 08, 09 - GDG (resend)
In-Reply-To: <1B8616AA-993C-49D5-8446-C196A74E93D5@mac.com>
References: <1B8616AA-993C-49D5-8446-C196A74E93D5@mac.com>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 14:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> This went out just as the list started to move ...
>
> The Pentax FA77 Limited lens arrived last week but I've been busy:
> only had time yesterday morning to finally go out for a walk with it.
> I was most interested to see the wide aperture rendering qualities so
> did a number of exposures at wide open or near wide open.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/07.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/08.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/09.htm
>
I agree with Paul... the first two are pretty enough, but the third
one jumps out.
This is the natural color as you discovered it? No hand-tinting or
tweaking?
Your mentioning of the Katz-Eye screen just gave me a reminder of why
I might not want to go for the K100D - if the K100/K110 do not have
interchangeable screens, that would be a big STOP right there!
-Charles
--
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charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 16:06:24 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:06:24 -0500
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
In-Reply-To: <052320061957.6218.4473691300018DB20000184A22073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061957.6218.4473691300018DB20000184A22073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000DD69B-F8B5-431E-8404-70D421EFAFC7@visi.com>
On May 23, 2006, at 14:57, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> Nice shot. Where in Jersey were you?
> Paul
> (former Joisey boy)
Lake Hopatcong... the friends I was visiting each have a house right
on the lake.
-Charles
--
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From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 16:06:29 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:06:29 -0700
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
Bingo! That's pretty much the way I see it, as well.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis
> Admittedly this isn't the camera those folks want (small buffer, no
> pentaprism, etc.). But a camera system with shake reduction with
> *any* lens (including all those great old manual focus lenses) at
> $700 (and that's the introductory price; expect it to drop lower)
> will probably sell quite well. It could well be the digital K1000.
From tomatoe333 at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:11:18 2006
From: tomatoe333 at gmail.com (Mat Maessen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:11:18 -0400
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
In-Reply-To: <000DD69B-F8B5-431E-8404-70D421EFAFC7@visi.com>
References: <052320061957.6218.4473691300018DB20000184A22073000339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
<000DD69B-F8B5-431E-8404-70D421EFAFC7@visi.com>
Message-ID: <1cb09a490605231311h5551cf48qeb00a9775abe35aa@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, Charles Robinson wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 14:57, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> > Nice shot. Where in Jersey were you?
> > Paul
> > (former Joisey boy)
> Lake Hopatcong... the friends I was visiting each have a house right
> on the lake.
Not too far from my old stomping grounds. I grew up in Parsippany, and
friends from high school have a house not too far from Lake Hopatcong.
-Mat
From christian at skofteland.net Tue May 23 16:12:15 2006
From: christian at skofteland.net (Christian)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:12:15 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
<39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
Message-ID: <44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Christian wrote:
>>Funny, I see a lot of 8MP 8FPS 1D Mark II on the sidelines....
>
>
> Really? Who are they shooting for, and are they shooting 8MP?
>
> -Aaron
I've no idea. Just reporting on what I see on the sidelines of major
sporting events.
--
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http://photography.skofteland.net
From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 16:12:47 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:12:47 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <44736654.1040902@mykroft.com>
<1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20060523201247.GA18256@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 09:51:24PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
> > My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
> > and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
>
> I find that with the exception of the stabilization its a major step
> back compared to the DS. I'd never have bought my DS if it hadn't been
> for its viewfinder.
Well, of course. Just like the DL was a step back from the DS, and
the DL was a step back from the D. In each case there were also
some new features introduced, just as there are on the K100D (SR),
and even the K110D when compared to the camera it replaces - the DL.
But the DS, and the DL, seem to have been successful enough.
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 16:15:56 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:15:56 -0700
Subject: Pent Up PESO Postings - A few From This Past Week
Message-ID: <410-220065223201556781@earthlink.net>
I've finally been shooting a lot this past week, and there are a few pics
to post, all different. The first was taken as I strolled back from my
favorite bakery a couple of mornings ago, carrying two hot baguettes fresh
from the oven. No matter how bad things may be, I have to consider myself
fortunate:
Dream Homes (Whitney Houston Has a Brain Tumor)
http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/dreamhomes.html
One of my favorite cats shows up again in a tight head shot, which will be
used for his SAG portfolio ;-))
Blue in Black and White
http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bluebw.html
Something a little different. Photography's about capturing light, and the
reflection of the light from this lamp shade caught my eye:
Reflected Light
http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/reflected.html
Finally, taken early Saturday morning from my bedroom window. I've been
trying to document the view every morning about the same time.
6:34am Saturday Morning
http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/052006t.html
Comments and criticism welcome
Shel
From patrick.genovese.mt at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:16:18 2006
From: patrick.genovese.mt at gmail.com (Patrick Genovese)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:16:18 +0200
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <1a2983a0605231316k73456450m5ef9e80bfd31c3ce@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Doug,
Thank you for all your efforts and congrats on a sterling job
Thank you & best regards
Patrick
On 5/23/06, dougbrewer at adelphia.net wrote:
> First, let me apologize for the delay. When I first moved the list, I was silly enough to think that if a company offered mail list software, they would enable you to use it. Apparently, that's not necessarily the case. Choking back the server to a max of 500 emails an hour meant that one message distributed to the list filled the quota for that hour. I have a feeling that a number of messages still in the queue from that company will be trickling in over the course of several days.
>
> That was my fault. I should have done better research on the hosting company, and found the obscure reference in the Knowledge base having to do with the email governor. Please note the sarcasm.
>
> So then I had to scramble for another host that offered both MailMan and unlimited activity. Many websites, searches, emails and phone calls later, I found one, and then had to wait for the new name servers to propagate through the Net, and they wanted to wait until that was done before giving me admin access.... So I waited.....
>
> I finally got the access this afternoon, and have been configuring the list. It's running pretty bare bones right now, and I'll go back in a few minutes to tweak the settings a bit more. I also have to write up all the old FAQ pages, et al, to get the site itself up and running.
>
> Now, for a little info...
>
> The old list address, "Pentax-discuss at pdml.net," is no more. It will go into the ether. I've long thought it was a rather long address, and so setting this up, I went with the somewhat enigmatic, but certainly sportier, PDML as the name on the list address.
>
> Most of your subscription settings can be done through the Web interface, and you can get there through a link in the footer of each list message. This should enable even the most technologically challenged among us to subscribe and unsubscribe.
>
> My mailbox is, as always, open to suggestions, whines, threats, and all that. Please don't take it personally if I don't respond immediately, or at all. Sometimes I find it better to let you just vent, and sometimes I don't think whatever has been suggested, especially in regards to acts I am no longer flexible enough to perform, even if I was interested, are simply better left ignored.
>
> With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
>
> Many regards,
>
> Doug
> List Guy
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From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 16:17:29 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:17:29 -0700
Subject: PESO: Abe's House (again)
Message-ID: <410-220065223201729656@earthlink.net>
I like it, although bringing down the sky would, imo, add some improvement.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan
> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/Lincoln.jpg
>
> (From a jpeg shot with a *ist DS and 16-45 zoom.
> 16mm @ f4 for 1/45 second and perspective
> corrected in Paint Shop Pro 10.02)
>
> Of course, this is the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC.
> I am facinated by the people I find there whenever I go.
> I'm still experimenting with how to capture the people and place.
From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 16:17:52 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:17:52 -0400
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060523201752.GB18256@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:47:02PM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 14:32, Unca Mikey wrote:
> > I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
> > lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode, however,
> > moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
> > ZX-7 works the same way.)
> >
>
> I just picked up a used Program Plus (with 50mm M 1.4 lens) and found
> that it works the same way as well. Handy!
Really? You can set the aperture from the body on a Program Plus?
From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 16:21:16 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:21:16 -0400
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060523202116.GC18256@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:32:38PM -0500, Unca Mikey wrote:
>
> I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
> lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode, however,
> moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
> ZX-7 works the same way.)
>
> This is so simple and easy, I wonder why Pentax did not do this for
> both the MZ-S and *ist. I can't imagine it would have been difficult
> or expensive.
And, of course, Pentax already knew how to do this - the PZ series
bodies work in precisely the way you describe, only even better than
the ZX-L: there's a dedicated thumbwheel on the rear of the body to
set the aperture, so you get the two-thumbwheel Hyper Program mode.
> And yes, I know this question is purely academic now, since Pentax
> probably won't be putting much (any?) effort into film SLRs.
Nor into lenses with aperture rings.
From knarftheriault at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:21:16 2006
From: knarftheriault at gmail.com (frank theriault)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:21:16 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <495ff4c30605231321mc59bfe8rc6da96630ab492d7@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
10-4 to that!!
Thanks, Doug.
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 16:21:41 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:21:41 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <44736ED5.6040502@mykroft.com>
Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
>
>>My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
>>and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
>
>
> I find that with the exception of the stabilization its a major step
> back compared to the DS. I'd never have bought my DS if it hadn't been
> for its viewfinder.
>
> Ralf
>
It doesn't seem to be a DS successor at all, just a pair of DL2
replacements with a couple nice upgrades. Don't knock the DL2's
viewfinder, it's a lot nicer than the spec's indicate, as bright as the
DS but lower magnification. I'm expecting the rumoured K10D to be both a
DS and D replacement unless we get a K1D as well (Can always hope...)
-Adam
From photolucas at gmx.net Tue May 23 16:21:31 2006
From: photolucas at gmx.net (Lucas Rijnders)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:21:31 +0200
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:47:02 +0200, Charles Robinson
wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 14:32, Unca Mikey wrote:
>> I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
>> lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode, however,
>> moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
>> ZX-7 works the same way.)
>
> I just picked up a used Program Plus (with 50mm M 1.4 lens) and found
> that it works the same way as well. Handy!
I rather liked the fact that it switches itself to top shutter speed (and
smallest aperture?) after loading film, until the film counter is at 1.
Like you said: Handy.
> Sure would be cool if the upcoming 10MP ueber-camera behaved the same
> way. Could a kid dare dream??
I doubt it. It looks like a Z-series 'controls-on-the-body' interface, not
an MZ-series 'classical' interface.
--
Regards, Lucas
From pdml at web-options.com Tue May 23 16:23:56 2006
From: pdml at web-options.com (Bob W)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:23:56 +0100
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
Message-ID:
It's been mentioned here before that in the UK the *ist DL2 is on offer for
a very cheap price. So cheap that I have been tempted to buy one. My
temptation has been increased by the fact that I've just forked out rather
more than the price of one of these cameras for film processing.
However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are in. Mike
Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of the most
important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the DL2 is
probably not for me.
Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about digital
cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification, sensor
size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
While delving around the internet for information, I discovered that Pentax
sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and the price
suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody tell me
whether this is so, or not?
On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and aperture
would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my purposes.
Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able to find
such a thing in my searches.
--
Thanks,
Bob
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 16:25:09 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:25:09 -0500
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To: <20060523201752.GB18256@panix.com>
References:
<20060523201752.GB18256@panix.com>
Message-ID: <886CC209-1FE1-48F2-B2AF-B4848AC70938@visi.com>
On May 23, 2006, at 15:17, John Francis wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:47:02PM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote:
>> On May 23, 2006, at 14:32, Unca Mikey wrote:
>>> I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
>>> lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode,
>>> however,
>>> moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
>>> ZX-7 works the same way.)
>>>
>>
>> I just picked up a used Program Plus (with 50mm M 1.4 lens) and found
>> that it works the same way as well. Handy!
>
> Really? You can set the aperture from the body on a Program Plus?
>
No, I meant that when you pull the lens off of the "A" setting, it
automatically switches from the "P" mode to Av. I guess I only read
the second half of the first sentence, sorry... Got a little too
excited about having the list back, it made me careless.
-Charles
--
Charles Robinson
charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From cottycam at mac.com Tue May 23 16:25:21 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:25:21 +0100
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <20060523202521.28677@smtp.mac.com>
Appreciate your efforts Doug. Bless you.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com
_____________________________
From bob at bobshell.com Tue May 23 16:25:39 2006
From: bob at bobshell.com (Bob Shell)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:25:39 -0400
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID:
Hi Doug,
Quick question. Mail from the new list is going into my general
inbox, which is not good. It's not being directed to my Pentax
inbox. I set it up so anything coming from an address with "pentax-
discuss" in it would go into the Pentax inbox. These new messages
all show up as just being from the original sender. Is there
anything I can do/you can do to fix this?
BTW, if I'd known you were looking for hosting I'd have offered to
let you move in with me. I have a number of photo lists that I
host. BestStuff.com provides the hosting at no charge. Take a look:
http://www.beststuff.com/forum/index.php?3
The Russian Camera group is the busiest one, as you can see. If the
people you just moved to don't work out, let me know and we can talk.
Best,
Bob
On May 23, 2006, at 2:53 PM, wrote:
> First, let me apologize for the delay. When I first moved the list,
> I was silly enough to think that if a company offered mail list
> software, they would enable you to use it. Apparently, that's not
> necessarily the case. Choking back the server to a max of 500
> emails an hour meant that one message distributed to the list
> filled the quota for that hour. I have a feeling that a number of
> messages still in the queue from that company will be trickling in
> over the course of several days.
>
> That was my fault. I should have done better research on the
> hosting company, and found the obscure reference in the Knowledge
> base having to do with the email governor. Please note the sarcasm.
>
> So then I had to scramble for another host that offered both
> MailMan and unlimited activity. Many websites, searches, emails and
> phone calls later, I found one, and then had to wait for the new
> name servers to propagate through the Net, and they wanted to wait
> until that was done before giving me admin access.... So I waited.....
>
> I finally got the access this afternoon, and have been configuring
> the list. It's running pretty bare bones right now, and I'll go
> back in a few minutes to tweak the settings a bit more. I also have
> to write up all the old FAQ pages, et al, to get the site itself up
> and running.
>
> Now, for a little info...
>
> The old list address, "Pentax-discuss at pdml.net," is no more. It
> will go into the ether. I've long thought it was a rather long
> address, and so setting this up, I went with the somewhat
> enigmatic, but certainly sportier, PDML as the name on the list
> address.
>
> Most of your subscription settings can be done through the Web
> interface, and you can get there through a link in the footer of
> each list message. This should enable even the most technologically
> challenged among us to subscribe and unsubscribe.
>
> My mailbox is, as always, open to suggestions, whines, threats, and
> all that. Please don't take it personally if I don't respond
> immediately, or at all. Sometimes I find it better to let you just
> vent, and sometimes I don't think whatever has been suggested,
> especially in regards to acts I am no longer flexible enough to
> perform, even if I was interested, are simply better left ignored.
>
> With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
>
> Many regards,
>
> Doug
> List Guy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 16:27:58 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:27:58 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
<39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
<44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
Message-ID: <99cd47d05951e2476bef34ee7667a555@aaronreynolds.ca>
On May 23, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Christian wrote:
> I've no idea. Just reporting on what I see on the sidelines of major
> sporting events.
Oh -- I was talking about newspaper pros, so I figured you had some way
of knowing they worked for newspapers rather than magazines or team
photo services. It's already been mentioned, these guys are not likely
to be shooting for newspapers, or if they are they'll have the file
size ratcheted way down.
-Aaron
From cottycam at mac.com Tue May 23 16:29:17 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:29:17 +0100
Subject: GFM 2004 Essay (resend)
Message-ID: <20060523202917.7267@smtp.mac.com>
If you've seen this already, skip over it :-)
What with the list offline for a few days, I'll resend this in case
anyone missed it and would like to see it. There's quite a few of you
heading up to Grandfather Mountain next week, and I'll be as soar as a
bear for the duration. Meanwhile, here's some pics from the 2004 event
to get you in the mood.....
(couple a dozen pics, none larger than 80kb in size, dial ups will struggle)
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
|| (O) | People, Places, Pastiche
||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com
_____________________________
From tomatoe333 at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:31:35 2006
From: tomatoe333 at gmail.com (Mat Maessen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:31:35 -0400
Subject: Pent Up PESO Postings - A few From This Past Week
In-Reply-To: <410-220065223201556781@earthlink.net>
References: <410-220065223201556781@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1cb09a490605231331r3ee7e916x3aad64e5399efb1a@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Dream Homes (Whitney Houston Has a Brain Tumor)
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/dreamhomes.html
This one seems a bit ironic to me. I like it.
> Blue in Black and White
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bluebw.html
Very nice. As close to a pet portrait as I've ever seen. :-)
> Reflected Light
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/reflected.html
To me, this one is more about the texture than the light itself.
Though I suppose the lighting is what's bringing out the textures.
> 6:34am Saturday Morning
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/052006t.html
That's some view you've got there. My bedroom window view isn't half
as interesting. :-(
-Mat
From charlesr at visi.com Tue May 23 16:33:13 2006
From: charlesr at visi.com (Charles Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:33:13 -0500
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To:
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 15:25, Bob Shell wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Quick question. Mail from the new list is going into my general
> inbox, which is not good. It's not being directed to my Pentax
> inbox. I set it up so anything coming from an address with "pentax-
> discuss" in it would go into the Pentax inbox. These new messages
> all show up as just being from the original sender. Is there
> anything I can do/you can do to fix this?
>
The new mails are coming from pdml at pdml.net, not pentax-
discuss at pdml.net.
You just need to modify your filters accordingly...
-Charles
--
Charles Robinson
charlesr at visi.com
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 16:34:32 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:32 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <44736ED5.6040502@mykroft.com>
References: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44736ED5.6040502@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Adam Maas wrote:
> It doesn't seem to be a DS successor at all,
It's not, just as it's not a D successor. That's why there's a *gasp*
higher-end camera still to come!
-Aaron
From tomatoe333 at gmail.com Tue May 23 16:35:23 2006
From: tomatoe333 at gmail.com (Mat Maessen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:35:23 -0400
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To:
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <1cb09a490605231335g31ebe7d3s948e9bf9b29278e6@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, Bob Shell wrote:
> Quick question. Mail from the new list is going into my general
> inbox, which is not good. It's not being directed to my Pentax
> inbox. I set it up so anything coming from an address with "pentax-
> discuss" in it would go into the Pentax inbox. These new messages
> all show up as just being from the original sender. Is there
> anything I can do/you can do to fix this?
Bob, you can fix this, simply by changing your filter so that it
matches the email address "pdml at pdml.net" in the "To:" field of the
message. That should catch all of the list email.
I had to do the same thing when the messages started flowing again.
-Mat
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 16:40:41 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:40:41 -0700
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
Message-ID: <410-220065223204041640@earthlink.net>
Bob,
Grab one and look through the finder. It may surprise you.
I recall a number of people complaining about the finder on the ZX-5n, but
when i got one to play with I found the finder to be acceptable. Nit
great, but certainly not as bad as some reports made it out to be, and more
than adequate for the kind of shooting I was doing with the camera.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob W
> However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are in. Mike
> Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
> viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of the
most
> important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the DL2 is
> probably not for me.
From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 16:42:48 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:42:48 -0400
Subject: K mounts: MZ-S vs *ist 35mm vs ZX-L
In-Reply-To: <886CC209-1FE1-48F2-B2AF-B4848AC70938@visi.com>
References:
<20060523201752.GB18256@panix.com>
<886CC209-1FE1-48F2-B2AF-B4848AC70938@visi.com>
Message-ID: <20060523204248.GA13844@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 03:25:09PM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 15:17, John Francis wrote:
>
> > On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 02:47:02PM -0500, Charles Robinson wrote:
> >> On May 23, 2006, at 14:32, Unca Mikey wrote:
> >>> I recently bought a used ZX-L, which is cooler than either: with the
> >>> lens set on A, aperture can be set on the body; in any mode,
> >>> however,
> >>> moving the lens off A switches the camera to Av mode. (I think the
> >>> ZX-7 works the same way.)
> >>>
> >>
> >> I just picked up a used Program Plus (with 50mm M 1.4 lens) and found
> >> that it works the same way as well. Handy!
> >
> > Really? You can set the aperture from the body on a Program Plus?
> >
>
> No, I meant that when you pull the lens off of the "A" setting, it
> automatically switches from the "P" mode to Av.
As far as I know every Pentax camera with a "P" setting behaves that way.
With an older, pre-A lens, (or with any lens off the "A" setting) you
automatically switch from "P" to "Av" (and similarly from "Tv" to "M").
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Tue May 23 16:46:33 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:46:33 -0700
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <140270529109.20060523134633@daytonphoto.com>
Hello Lucas,
The bigger issue is how fast the buffer unloads. When shooting
weddings and events, I will have a series of people that need a
picture taken is sequence where the buffer can fill up. Wedding
processional, a series of awards handed out, etc. On the current
*istD, the buffers only clears 1 frame per 7 seconds. So if the
sequence is longer or faster than that, you eventually run into
problems. One way around that is to have a bigger buffer. So this
buffer seems rather small to me. Of course, I wouldn't be buying this
particular model anyway. I would be more interested in the 10mp model
and would be very disappointed if it had a small buffer.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 11:38:40 AM, you wrote:
LR> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:23:23 +0200, Adam Maas wrote:
>> Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:
>>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The D replacement will be coming in the fall.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...unless investors now decide a new 6 mpix dslr is simply a joke and
>>> pull the plug on Pentax. The press will certainly rip it to pieces.
>>>
>>> I'm admittedly more than a little worried.
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
>>
>> 6MP and anti-shake isn't a joke at $699 with lens, which is MSRP. Apart
>> from the crappy buffer, it's very competitive at that price.
LR> At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
LR> consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
LR> that you can't get by improving your timing?
LR> Genuinly curious,
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 16:48:48 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:48:48 -0400
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <44737530.40403@mykroft.com>
DPReview gives a table for each camera, but you have to check each
camera for the respective table.
Pentax's 12-24 f4 (And the optically identical Tokina) are superb
lenses, the lower cost is only low when compared to the Nikon 12-24 DX
(More expensive due to heavier 'Pro' build and AF-S motor) and the Canon
10-22 (Good but overpriced lens that's actually a slower variable
aperture design)
Also the DL viewfinder is about as large and bright as the DS's
pentaprism, it's just lower magnification. The DL does better in the
viewfinder department than the Nikon D50, D70 or Canon Rebels. If you
want a film sized viewfinder, you're looking at a Canon 5D as the
minimum entry level, and that's $2600+US.
The big weaknesses of the DL2 for me are the lack of program shift ot
hyperprogram, the small buffer and the light build (It's noticably
lighter in build than the DS or DS2).
-Adam
Bob W wrote:
> It's been mentioned here before that in the UK the *ist DL2 is on offer for
> a very cheap price. So cheap that I have been tempted to buy one. My
> temptation has been increased by the fact that I've just forked out rather
> more than the price of one of these cameras for film processing.
>
> However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are in. Mike
> Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
> viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of the most
> important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the DL2 is
> probably not for me.
>
> Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about digital
> cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification, sensor
> size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
>
> While delving around the internet for information, I discovered that Pentax
> sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and the price
> suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody tell me
> whether this is so, or not?
>
> On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and aperture
> would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my purposes.
> Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
> approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able to find
> such a thing in my searches.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 17:00:26 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060523210026.29615.qmail@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Thanks for sending this, Bob. I looked at the photos and recognized
them immediately, although I had forgotten Giacomelli's name or where I
had seen the pictures. Then I remembered that I first ran across his
work when I visited Senigallia (his home town) a few years back.
Lovely stuff. Some of the priest photos make me think of whirling
dervishes.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Bob W wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Today I browsed through a (too large) book of photographs by
> Giacomelli. I
> had not realised how many of his photos I was familiar with, or how
> good he
> is. He had a very graphic eye (his early training was in typography),
> and
> the geometry & poetry of many of his photos is similar to that of
> HCB.
> Indeed, they shot many of the same subjects.
>
> Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
>
> Those of you who are familiar with the Stella Artois "Ice Skating
> Priests"
> advert will spot the influence.
> http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=22733
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
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From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 17:01:30 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060523210130.72882.qmail@web31713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Thanks for sending this, Bob. I looked at the photos and recognized
them immediately, although I had forgotten Giacomelli's name or where I
had seen the pictures before. Then I remembered that I first ran
across his work when I visited Senigallia (his home town) a few years
back. Lovely stuff. Some of the priest photos make me think of
whirling dervishes.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Bob W wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Today I browsed through a (too large) book of photographs by
> Giacomelli. I
> had not realised how many of his photos I was familiar with, or how
> good he
> is. He had a very graphic eye (his early training was in typography),
> and
> the geometry & poetry of many of his photos is similar to that of
> HCB.
> Indeed, they shot many of the same subjects.
>
> Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
>
> Those of you who are familiar with the Stella Artois "Ice Skating
> Priests"
> advert will spot the influence.
> http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=22733
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
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From cottycam at mac.com Tue May 23 17:03:27 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:03:27 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <99cd47d05951e2476bef34ee7667a555@aaronreynolds.ca>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
<39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
<44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
<99cd47d05951e2476bef34ee7667a555@aaronreynolds.ca>
Message-ID: <20060523210327.22317@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Oh -- I was talking about newspaper pros, so I figured you had some way
>of knowing they worked for newspapers rather than magazines or team
>photo services. It's already been mentioned, these guys are not likely
>to be shooting for newspapers, or if they are they'll have the file
>size ratcheted way down.
I regularly come into contact with British newspaper photogs and they
all shoot D2h and 1DmII. They do not ratchet the file size down. There
are other sales opportunities than just the front line newspaper pics.
Parent companies may filter their images through to other sales where
more quality is needed. It's much easier to ratchet the quality down in
Photoshop rather than be unable to ratchet the quality up.
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
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From knarftheriault at gmail.com Tue May 23 17:04:03 2006
From: knarftheriault at gmail.com (frank theriault)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:04:03 -0400
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <20060523202521.28677@smtp.mac.com>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
<20060523202521.28677@smtp.mac.com>
Message-ID: <495ff4c30605231404y2882f780of1afabdbeceffd0d@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, Cotty wrote:
> Appreciate your efforts Doug.
As do I.
Or is that as do me?
Anyway, me too.
BTW, what's the dealio with Marnie's mailbox now? Will she still have
to empty it? Just curious.
> Bless you.
I wouldn't go that far...
cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Tue May 23 17:07:34 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:07:34 -0700
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
In-Reply-To: <8889AAFB-1F5E-4D8E-AF7B-DBA4C0E76578@visi.com>
References: <8889AAFB-1F5E-4D8E-AF7B-DBA4C0E76578@visi.com>
Message-ID: <57271790015.20060523140734@daytonphoto.com>
Hello Charles,
There are several I like in there. Thanks for sharing - especially
the still water shots.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 12:34:42 PM, you wrote:
CR> I took a trip last week to some friends in New Jersey (actually,
CR> quite a pretty state!) and took at least one photo that I really
CR> really like:
CR> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_jersey/pages/page_107.html
CR> (there are variations on this if you scroll to the prior images)
CR> -Charles
CR> --
CR> Charles Robinson
CR> charlesr at visi.com
CR> Minneapolis, MN
CR> http://charles.robinsontwins.org
CR> _______________________________________________
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CR> PDML at pdml.net
CR> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From cottycam at mac.com Tue May 23 17:07:43 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:07:43 +0100
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To:
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <20060523210743.28631@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, Bob Shell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Quick question. Mail from the new list is going into my general
>inbox, which is not good. It's not being directed to my Pentax
>inbox. I set it up so anything coming from an address with "pentax-
>discuss" in it would go into the Pentax inbox. These new messages
>all show up as just being from the original sender. Is there
>anything I can do/you can do to fix this?
Bob,
Tweak your email filter to 'PDML' rather than 'pentax' as a filtering method.
Cheers,
Cotty
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From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 17:09:53 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:09:53 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft7n0.5j9a788mlwxsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <1hft7n0.5j9a788mlwxsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID:
I'm with you on that.
John
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:42:43 +0100, Ralf R. Radermacher
wrote:
> John Forbes wrote:
>
>> Can you please not start another long, boring, stupid, thread about
>> Pentax
>> going downhill.
>
> OK. Let's see. Snowwhite and the seven dwarves...
>
> Ralf
>
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From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Tue May 23 17:11:06 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:11:06 -0700
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
References: <44736654.1040902@mykroft.com>
<1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <147272001921.20060523141106@daytonphoto.com>
Ditto on the viewfinder. The reason I chose the *ist D over the Nikon
D100 back when I got it, was mainly the difference in viewfinder. I
would not want any less viewfinder than that.
--
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 12:51:24 PM, you wrote:
RRR> Adam Maas wrote:
>> My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
>> and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
RRR> I find that with the exception of the stabilization its a major step
RRR> back compared to the DS. I'd never have bought my DS if it hadn't been
RRR> for its viewfinder.
RRR> Ralf
From cbwaters at bellsouth.net Tue May 23 17:18:09 2006
From: cbwaters at bellsouth.net (cbwaters)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:18:09 -0400
Subject: Introduction and question
Message-ID: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Hi,
My name's Cory and I shoot Pentax cameras.
[All: "Hi Cory"]
I have the *istD, a ZX-5n, and a black MX. I have several lenses that have impact damage and a few that don't. I live in Douglasville, GA (USA) and would be happy to have lunch or dinner with anybody from this list who'd care to stop in for a visit.
Anybody got a recommendation for a decent entry level tripod? I'm wanting one though I don't use the wal-mart version I currently have often enough to justify a better one. But then, maybe I don't use it because it sucks?
I'm about to buy an autofocus 28-105. I understand the Power zoom version is probably the best but is that the 58 or the 62 (IF) filter version? Is the newer FA version bad enough to warrant living with the weight of the older PZ version?
Ok, that's two questions... but what the hell, the list has been slow :)
Cory
From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 17:21:33 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:21:33 +0100
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
We will if you get involved. :-)
John
On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:56:55 +0100, Tom C wrote:
> Yeah it looks like we might have a war in the first couple of hours! :-)
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
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From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 17:32:32 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:32 -0700
Subject: PESO: Sunset in New Jersey
Message-ID: <410-22006522321323231@earthlink.net>
Some nice, pleasant shots in the group i saw ...
Shel
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/2006_jersey/pages/page_107.html
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 17:39:17 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:39:17 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060523210327.22317@smtp.mac.com>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
<39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
<44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
<99cd47d05951e2476bef34ee7667a555@aaronreynolds.ca>
<20060523210327.22317@smtp.mac.com>
Message-ID: <6044e457da88e4b21028383ab5080cc5@aaronreynolds.ca>
On May 23, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Cotty wrote:
> I regularly come into contact with British newspaper photogs and they
> all shoot D2h and 1DmII. They do not ratchet the file size down.
Cotty, unless I'm missing something the D2H is a 4.1 megapixel camera.
-Aaron
From glukas at poczta.fm Tue May 23 17:39:48 2006
From: glukas at poczta.fm (luka6000)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:39:48 +0200
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
Message-ID: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm>
I would like to show You some of my pictures taken during the III Polish
Pentax Days which took place here, in Poland at our coast in Leba.
The meeting geathered arround 40 Pentax users and their families from
all arround the country. So we had almost 4 days of shooting with our
Pentaxes, taking about Pentax, touching others Pentax stuff and so on. I
must say, it was a very nice and well organized social event :]
http://luka.legionowo.eu.org/III-PPD/
maybe some other people from Poland will write more - that's it from me.
Feel free to comment my photos :)
PS: I couldn't find the meaning of PESO, GESO and others, used in
topics. Maybe put it in FAQ?
regards
--
?ukasz Gr?bczewski
www.legionowo.eu.org
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From lonw at isoc.net Tue May 23 18:06:12 2006
From: lonw at isoc.net (Lon Williamson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:06:12 -0400
Subject: Doug, you did it.
In-Reply-To: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> op.s90onmb0n36rk1@venus
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> op.s90onmb0n36rk1@venus
Message-ID: <44738754.7000000@isoc.net>
I don't often contribute a message here
but I do a lot of lurking.
Thanks for such a quick job of getting
the new system up and running.
-Lon
From cottycam at mac.com Tue May 23 18:03:36 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:03:36 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <6044e457da88e4b21028383ab5080cc5@aaronreynolds.ca>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44736157.8050103@skofteland.net>
<39969bbc1af595f0626a710c4ad18ffe@aaronreynolds.ca>
<44736C9F.5000602@skofteland.net>
<99cd47d05951e2476bef34ee7667a555@aaronreynolds.ca>
<20060523210327.22317@smtp.mac.com>
<6044e457da88e4b21028383ab5080cc5@aaronreynolds.ca>
Message-ID: <20060523220336.4345@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Cotty, unless I'm missing something the D2H is a 4.1 megapixel camera.
Apologies, I'm getting my H's and my Xs confused ;-)
Yes, it is true that I see mostly D2H but some D2X as well. It depends
on the newspaper and whether or not the snapper is freelance /
contract / staff. If they're staff, I've seen some old D1 cameras still
doing service! Some even with Sigma lenses. Freelances use the X because
they might well be getting stuff for themselves as well as for the paper.
I think my point here is that surely you shoot with the best quality you
can afford / get given (leaving RAW and Jpeg issues aside for a minute)
and this is personally what I see on the road. I would dearly love to
see some K1Ds out there ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 18:16:55 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:16:55 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <447389D7.5080703@charter.net>
Agreed! Thanks, Doug.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> Paul
>
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> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 18:24:06 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:24:06 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <447389D7.5080703@charter.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
<447389D7.5080703@charter.net>
Message-ID: <44738B86.20005@charter.net>
Replying to myself . Very quick turn around, got it back in a
couple of minutes (I have this mailbox on a 5 minute mail check). Not
sluggish like the old list. Great work, Doug!
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
graywolf wrote:
> Agreed! Thanks, Doug.
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> -----------------------------------
>
>
> pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
>> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From rf.sullivan at gmail.com Tue May 23 18:26:02 2006
From: rf.sullivan at gmail.com (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:26:02 -0500
Subject: Optio SV question/problem
Message-ID: <4aa39d670605231526l4332385ai169ffdcb2c746d55@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
My daughter is back home for the summer with the Optio SV.
She complains that the pictures are not as sharp as the S4.
With 5 megs vs 4 megs, I couldn't believe it.
But I did some testing this morning and saw problems.
The SV shots taken at full wide angle aren't very good!
They do seem to get better when I zoom in, but...
Do I have a focusing or lens problem or what?
I can't believe that the 3rd generation camera is lower resolution.
Can anybody relate their experiences with the SV.
Thanks, Bob S.
From eric.featherstone at gmail.com Tue May 23 18:32:20 2006
From: eric.featherstone at gmail.com (Eric Featherstone)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:32:20 -0400
Subject: Doug, you did it.
In-Reply-To: <44738754.7000000@isoc.net>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <44738754.7000000@isoc.net>
Message-ID: <21285a0605231532k590730d2uaba5f70f2b3c2130@mail.gmail.com>
On 23/05/06, Lon Williamson wrote:
> I don't often contribute a message here
> but I do a lot of lurking.
>
> Thanks for such a quick job of getting
> the new system up and running.
>
> -Lon
Likewise & likewise. Thanks Doug!
Eric.
From pdml at donsauction.com Tue May 23 18:37:44 2006
From: pdml at donsauction.com (Don Sanderson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:37:44 -0500
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID:
Add me to the list of thank-you Dougs.
Had a gazillion PDML messages when I got home.
Actually got excited! ;-)
Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net]On Behalf Of
> pnstenquist at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:58 PM
> To: pdml at pdml.net
> Subject: Thanks Doug!
>
>
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's
> saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all
> your hard work.
> Paul
>
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> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 18:43:23 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:43:23 -0400
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4473900B.9020900@charter.net>
I have seen a couple of similar photos, but have no idea if they were by
him. Probably his work is more likely to be familiar to Europeans.
Are those aerial photos of vineyards?
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
Bob W wrote:
> Resending as a ping, but with content...
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob W [mailto:pdml at web-options.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2006 14:18
> To: 'pentax-discuss at pdml.net'
> Subject: Giacomelli
>
> Hi,
>
> Today I browsed through a (too large) book of photographs by Giacomelli. I
> had not realised how many of his photos I was familiar with, or how good he
> is. He had a very graphic eye (his early training was in typography), and
> the geometry & poetry of many of his photos is similar to that of HCB.
> Indeed, they shot many of the same subjects.
>
> Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
>
> Those of you who are familiar with the Stella Artois "Ice Skating Priests"
> advert will spot the influence.
> http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=22733
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 18:50:55 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:50:55 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060523195857.GA12979@panix.com>
References: <44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com> <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<20060523195857.GA12979@panix.com>
Message-ID: <447391CF.3010309@charter.net>
And going by the name, that is exactly what it is intended to be.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
John Francis wrote:
>
> Admittedly this isn't the camera those folks want (small buffer, no
> pentaprism, etc.). But a camera system with shake reduction with
> *any* lens (including all those great old manual focus lenses) at
> $700 (and that's the introductory price; expect it to drop lower)
> will probably sell quite well. It could well be the digital K1000.
From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 18:53:55 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:53:55 -0400
Subject: Introduction and question
In-Reply-To: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
References: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Message-ID: <44739283.6010002@mykroft.com>
Bogen 3001 (aka the Manfrotto 190cl with 141RC head). great, not too spendy.
-Adam
cbwaters wrote:
>Hi,
>My name's Cory and I shoot Pentax cameras.
>[All: "Hi Cory"]
>I have the *istD, a ZX-5n, and a black MX. I have several lenses that have impact damage and a few that don't. I live in Douglasville, GA (USA) and would be happy to have lunch or dinner with anybody from this list who'd care to stop in for a visit.
>
>Anybody got a recommendation for a decent entry level tripod? I'm wanting one though I don't use the wal-mart version I currently have often enough to justify a better one. But then, maybe I don't use it because it sucks?
>
>I'm about to buy an autofocus 28-105. I understand the Power zoom version is probably the best but is that the 58 or the 62 (IF) filter version? Is the newer FA version bad enough to warrant living with the weight of the older PZ version?
>
>Ok, that's two questions... but what the hell, the list has been slow :)
>
>Cory
>
>
>
>
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 18:55:12 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:55:12 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
million of them either.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Bingo! That's pretty much the way I see it, as well.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: John Francis
>
>> Admittedly this isn't the camera those folks want (small buffer, no
>> pentaprism, etc.). But a camera system with shake reduction with
>> *any* lens (including all those great old manual focus lenses) at
>> $700 (and that's the introductory price; expect it to drop lower)
>> will probably sell quite well. It could well be the digital K1000.
>
>
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From mykroft at mykroft.com Tue May 23 18:56:24 2006
From: mykroft at mykroft.com (Adam Maas)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:56:24 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <147272001921.20060523141106@daytonphoto.com>
References: <44736654.1040902@mykroft.com> <1hft8kd.1ade18je5w8a5M%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<147272001921.20060523141106@daytonphoto.com>
Message-ID: <44739318.4000702@mykroft.com>
Bruce Dayton wrote:
>Ditto on the viewfinder. The reason I chose the *ist D over the Nikon
>D100 back when I got it, was mainly the difference in viewfinder. I
>would not want any less viewfinder than that.
>
>
>
Nikon makes a nifty little gadget called the DK-21M. It should fit the
Pentax viewfinders (Definitely fits Canons) as well and provides 1.17x
magnification. Certainly did wonders for my D50 and I wish I'd had one
with the *istD.
-Adam
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 18:59:06 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:59:06 EDT
Subject: From The List Guy
Message-ID: <384.31503f7.31a4edba@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 12:00:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dougbrewer at adelphia.net writes:
My mailbox is, as always, open to suggestions, whines, threats, and all that.
Please don't take it personally if I don't respond immediately, or at all.
Sometimes I find it better to let you just vent, and sometimes I don't think
whatever has been suggested, especially in regards to acts I am no longer
flexible enough to perform, even if I was interested, are simply better left ignored.
With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
Many regards,
Doug
List Guy
========
Now this is the way a mailing list *should* function.
Thanks for all your hard work, Doug!!! Really. I hope someone brings you a
case of beer (or wine or whatever you prefer) to GFM. You deserve it. If I was
coming, I would.
But since I'm not, in gratitude I'll refrain from any political (or Tom
Cruise :-)) content for a month or two. Okay, okay, maybe I can't last that long.
So for as long as I can refrain -- for a week or two or three.
Thanks again. Sounds like setting this up was definitely a hassle. Funny how
computers usually are, huh? Well, no, not actually funny at all.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
From pdml at web-options.com Tue May 23 18:59:34 2006
From: pdml at web-options.com (Bob W)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:59:34 +0100
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
In-Reply-To: <4473900B.9020900@charter.net>
Message-ID:
They're certainly aerial. Whether or not they're vineyards, I don't know.
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of graywolf
> Sent: 23 May 2006 23:43
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: FW: Giacomelli
>
> I have seen a couple of similar photos, but have no idea if
> they were by him. Probably his work is more likely to be
> familiar to Europeans.
>
> Are those aerial photos of vineyards?
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> -----------------------------------
>
> >
> > Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> > http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
> >
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 19:04:14 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:04:14 EDT
Subject: Thanks Doug!
Message-ID: <456.150c31a.31a4eeee@aol.com>
Ditto.
Marnie aka Doe
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 19:10:49 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:10:49 EDT
Subject: From The List Guy
Message-ID: <41f.2055ab9.31a4f079@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 2:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
knarftheriault at gmail.com writes:
BTW, what's the dealio with Marnie's mailbox now? Will she still have
to empty it? Just curious.
> Bless you.
I wouldn't go that far...
cheers,
frank
========
and
Some things ought to remain the same. Doncha think?
Hehehehe.
Marnie aka Doe
From mclilith at charter.net Tue May 23 19:16:51 2006
From: mclilith at charter.net (Glen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:16:51 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060523195857.GA12979@panix.com>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<44734BD3.9070702@mykroft.com>
<1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20060523191541.02de2f58@mail.charter.net>
At 03:58 PM 5/23/2006, you wrote:
>It could well be the digital K1000.
The model names sort of look the same, don't they?
K1000
K100D
:)
take care,
Glen
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 19:21:50 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:21:50 -0400
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4473990E.2040500@charter.net>
The problem with that is that these cameras come and go so fast that by
the time you read that info the cameras are no longer on the main
market. The second thing is that lists can do nothing to tell you how
the cameras feels and works for you. You need hands on for that, and
usually more hands on than you can get fondling the thing in store for a
few minutes. That is the great thing about events like at GFM, and other
gettogethers, where you can play with each others cameras for extended
periods.
If you still want a list I suggest the online digital magazines, at
least they can get the info posted while the cameras are still in the
stores.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
Bob W wrote:
> It's been mentioned here before that in the UK the *ist DL2 is on offer for
> a very cheap price. So cheap that I have been tempted to buy one. My
> temptation has been increased by the fact that I've just forked out rather
> more than the price of one of these cameras for film processing.
>
> However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are in. Mike
> Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
> viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of the most
> important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the DL2 is
> probably not for me.
>
> Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about digital
> cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification, sensor
> size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
>
> While delving around the internet for information, I discovered that Pentax
> sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and the price
> suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody tell me
> whether this is so, or not?
>
> On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and aperture
> would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my purposes.
> Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
> approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able to find
> such a thing in my searches.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>
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From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 19:22:34 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060523232234.91668.qmail@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I am not so sure they are aerial. Le Marche is very hilly, and the
perspective of those photographs could be from hilltops. I remember
driving a Nissan Micra up and down and around and never being able to
stay in one gear for more than about 15 seconds, LOL.
I think most of the fields are mixed crops with small patches of vines
and olive trees here and there.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Bob W wrote:
> They're certainly aerial. Whether or not they're vineyards, I don't
> know.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On
> > Behalf Of graywolf
> > Sent: 23 May 2006 23:43
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: FW: Giacomelli
> >
> > I have seen a couple of similar photos, but have no idea if
> > they were by him. Probably his work is more likely to be
> > familiar to Europeans.
> >
> > Are those aerial photos of vineyards?
> >
> > graywolf
> > http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> > -----------------------------------
> >
> > >
> > > Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> > > http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
> > >
>
>
>
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 19:27:54 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:27:54 -0400
Subject: PDML Mini-FAQ Link
Message-ID: <44739A7A.3050808@charter.net>
http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
--
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 19:29:54 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:29:54 -0400
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
In-Reply-To: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm>
References: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm>
Message-ID: <44739AF2.4030504@charter.net>
Your wish is my comand:
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
Hum... last update as a year ago? Anyway it was based pretty much upon
list consensus. I guess I should start posting the link weekly again.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
luka6000 wrote:
> I would like to show You some of my pictures taken during the III Polish
> Pentax Days which took place here, in Poland at our coast in Leba.
> The meeting geathered arround 40 Pentax users and their families from
> all arround the country. So we had almost 4 days of shooting with our
> Pentaxes, taking about Pentax, touching others Pentax stuff and so on. I
> must say, it was a very nice and well organized social event :]
>
> http://luka.legionowo.eu.org/III-PPD/
>
> maybe some other people from Poland will write more - that's it from me.
> Feel free to comment my photos :)
>
> PS: I couldn't find the meaning of PESO, GESO and others, used in
> topics. Maybe put it in FAQ?
>
> regards
>
From keith_w at dslextreme.com Tue May 23 19:30:52 2006
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:30:52 -0700
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <456.150c31a.31a4eeee@aol.com>
References: <456.150c31a.31a4eeee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <44739B2C.9030301@dslextreme.com>
Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> Ditto.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
Oh yeah. Double ditto.
Keith aka Buck
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 19:33:36 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:33:36 EDT
Subject: PAW - Practice
Message-ID: <439.1f2946f.31a4f5d0@aol.com>
I got so bored Sunday, no list and all, I (gasp) actually did some
photography.
Since taking care of Mom since her colostomy operation keeps me very, very
busy, I only went as far as our backyard. I tried both telephoto and macro.
I've been thinking I should migrate from PESOs to PAWs. Go back to the
drawing board and just practice photography more (more consistently). I still have
so much to learn to get better. One reason the name of this is practice.
Tamron 90mm SP, f /3.2, 1/100, 200 ISO
Pulling a Bruce, I looked at this and saw a ballerina's legs as she practiced
-- on tippy toes, wearing leg warmers. That's the second reason for the name
(and if you'll believe that you'll believe anything :-)).
Nothing special, but a lot better than I could have done several years ago.
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/practice.htm
Comments welcome.
Marnie aka Doe
From brooksdj at ca.inter.net Tue May 23 19:38:01 2006
From: brooksdj at ca.inter.net (brooksdj at ca.inter.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:38:01 US/Eastern
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID:
> Ditto on the viewfinder. The reason I chose the *ist D over the Nikon
> D100 back when I got it, was mainly the difference in viewfinder. I
> would not want any less viewfinder than that.
>
> --
> Bruce
Bruce, you'd like the D200 finder then.
The selling point for me was the istD finder to.
Dave
>
>
> Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 12:51:24 PM, you wrote:
>
> RRR> Adam Maas wrote:
>
> >> My opinion is the K100D slots in between the DL and DS for performance
> >> and specs, and the K110D is essentially the same body sans SR for DL cost.
>
> RRR> I find that with the exception of the stabilization its a major step
> RRR> back compared to the DS. I'd never have bought my DS if it hadn't been
> RRR> for its viewfinder.
>
> RRR> Ralf
>
>
>
>
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From brooksdj at ca.inter.net Tue May 23 19:46:00 2006
From: brooksdj at ca.inter.net (brooksdj at ca.inter.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:46:00 US/Eastern
Subject: From The List Guy
Message-ID:
>
> With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
>
> Many regards,
>
> Doug
> List Guy
Would a free hat help.
Dave
>
>
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From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 19:49:53 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:49:53 EDT
Subject: PDML Mini-FAQ Link
Message-ID: <474.13a5039.31a4f9a1@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 4:33:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gray_wolf at charter.net writes:
http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
--
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
========
You need to update that subscribe link. Really it's only one line.
Marnie aka Doe
From pdml at donsauction.com Tue May 23 19:53:09 2006
From: pdml at donsauction.com (Don Sanderson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:53:09 -0500
Subject: FS: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
Message-ID:
Now that the list is healthy again I'll send this one _last_ time.
(Promise) ;-)
It would bother me more to see someone who wants to go miss out
than it would to waste the 100 bucks.
********
I really, really, really, thought I was going to make it this year.
Then I lost the transmission in the damn Blazer!
$1250.00 to repair and no wheels till I do. :-(
I have a full pass. If anybody missed out on one $100.00 to
PayPal and I'll call GFM and change the name and mail you the
registration reciept.
%#^%&%#&^!!!!
Don
***********
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 19:56:55 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:56:55 EDT
Subject: GFM 2004 Essay (resend)
Message-ID: <480.f7cfa1.31a4fb47@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 1:36:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cottycam at mac.com writes:
If you've seen this already, skip over it :-)
What with the list offline for a few days, I'll resend this in case
anyone missed it and would like to see it. There's quite a few of you
heading up to Grandfather Mountain next week, and I'll be as soar as a
bear for the duration. Meanwhile, here's some pics from the 2004 event
to get you in the mood.....
(couple a dozen pics, none larger than 80kb in size, dial ups will struggle)
Cheers,
Cotty
=======
Now that you mention it, I want to identify everyone in that photo taken on
the steps of the cabin at GFM 2004. The photo we were all given (which was bad
for some, but flattered Ann and me :-)). I know about 90%, but... I was stupid
and didn't write down names at the time.
If you or anyone else can help, please either contact me off list or name the
names per step left to right here.
Thanks. In another 10 years I maybe a lot more clueless.
Marnie aka Doe
From godders at mac.com Tue May 23 19:58:41 2006
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:58:41 -0700
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
Message-ID:
Caught up on all my PAW sends now.
---
Heckuva "picture a week" but what the hey, I'm way way behind for 2006.
Went for a walk yesterday and still playing with the new 77mm lens so
I brought it along. Garry requested some more color in my work ...
Maybe some of these will appeal.
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
enjoy
Godfrey
From godders at mac.com Tue May 23 20:01:49 2006
From: godders at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:01:49 -0700
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <459D00C0-C1BF-4127-A473-BEA705E67CBC@mac.com>
Seems we are back to normal.
About 75% of my posts don't seem to go anywhere.
Godfrey
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 20:04:31 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:04:31 EDT
Subject: PAW 2006 - 07, 08, 09 - GDG (resend)
Message-ID: <487.983b9c.31a4fd0f@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 12:53:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
godders at mac.com writes:
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/07.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/08.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/09.htm
Larger renderings are included, just click on the image on that page.
Comments and critique always appreciated.
My conclusion: this is a lovely lens. Expensive but worth it.
---
At the same time, the custom focusing screen for the DS from Katz Eye
Optics I'd ordered arrived, so I've been testing with that as well.
Worth it: I like it much more than either of the Pentax screens I
have at my disposal. It has nicer focusing tooth for manual focusing
and is less cluttered.
enjoy,
Godfrey
========
The B&W leaves don't do much for me, but the lens seems nice.
I like 09 better. It offers my eye a bit more to play with. Texture-wise, etc.
HTH, Marnie aka Doe
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Tue May 23 19:58:30 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:30 -0600
Subject: The name is K100D?
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de><4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
Message-ID: <014c01c67ec5$d490e300$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucas Rijnders"
Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
> At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
> consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
> that you can't get by improving your timing?
For me, it isn't the 2.8fps, it's the excruciatingly slow buffer that goes
along with it.
I don't know how the newer cameras stack up, I shoot an istD. I can fill the
buffer in about a half minute of normal shooting if I am in the studio, and
then i have to wait a minute to empty.
Not bad if you have a naked female to talk to while the buffer empties, not
so good if youre subject is an impatient person in a suit who has other
things to do that day.
William Robb
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Tue May 23 20:03:06 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:03:06 -0600
Subject: The name is K100D?
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf R. Radermacher"
Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
> Don't be ridiculous.
Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
Minolta self destructed by not putting a DSLR out until it was way too late,
but they will live on as Sony, Contax mishadled themselves into bankruptcy
when they were still a German company, and Bronica would have done OK except
that they were replaced by DSLRs.
William Robb
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Tue May 23 20:05:53 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:05:53 -0600
Subject: The name is K100D?
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
Message-ID: <014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "graywolf"
Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
> Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
> guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
> million of them either.
You obviously never picked up one of the later, Chinese built, K1000s.
William Robb
From pdml at donsauction.com Tue May 23 20:10:10 2006
From: pdml at donsauction.com (Don Sanderson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:10:10 -0500
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Some very nice stuff there Godfrey.
People who can turn the relatively mundane
into art truly amaze me.
That 77 seems quite the lens too.
Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net]On Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:59 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
>
>
> Caught up on all my PAW sends now.
>
> ---
> Heckuva "picture a week" but what the hey, I'm way way behind for 2006.
>
> Went for a walk yesterday and still playing with the new 77mm lens so
> I brought it along. Garry requested some more color in my work ...
> Maybe some of these will appeal.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
>
> Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
>
> Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
>
> enjoy
> Godfrey
>
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From cbwaters at bellsouth.net Tue May 23 20:12:33 2006
From: cbwaters at bellsouth.net (cbwaters)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:12:33 -0400
Subject: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
References:
Message-ID: <037e01c67ec6$d0c3b8f0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
First of all, don't be a wus. Frank doesn't have a car (I presume here, I'm
not sure but for the sake of dramatic license, lets agree that I'm right)
and he's coming all the way from "The Great White North"!
Seriously though, it's too bad you can't come. I've felt really grumpy when
I've had to miss-out.
You know Don, if you don't get any takers by the weekend, you ought to offer
it back to the GFM staff. I'm sure there's an "official" waiting list.
Cory
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Sanderson"
To: "PDML"
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: FS: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
> Now that the list is healthy again I'll send this one _last_ time.
> (Promise) ;-)
> It would bother me more to see someone who wants to go miss out
> than it would to waste the 100 bucks.
>
> ********
>
> I really, really, really, thought I was going to make it this year.
> Then I lost the transmission in the damn Blazer!
> $1250.00 to repair and no wheels till I do. :-(
>
> I have a full pass. If anybody missed out on one $100.00 to
> PayPal and I'll call GFM and change the name and mail you the
> registration reciept.
>
> %#^%&%#&^!!!!
>
> Don
>
> ***********
>
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From pdml at donsauction.com Tue May 23 20:20:01 2006
From: pdml at donsauction.com (Don Sanderson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:20:01 -0500
Subject: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
In-Reply-To: <037e01c67ec6$d0c3b8f0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Message-ID:
It's more the money than the transportation.
Good idea though Cory, thanks.
Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net]On Behalf Of
> cbwaters
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:13 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
>
>
> First of all, don't be a wus. Frank doesn't have a car (I
> presume here, I'm
> not sure but for the sake of dramatic license, lets agree that I'm right)
> and he's coming all the way from "The Great White North"!
>
> Seriously though, it's too bad you can't come. I've felt really
> grumpy when
> I've had to miss-out.
>
> You know Don, if you don't get any takers by the weekend, you
> ought to offer
> it back to the GFM staff. I'm sure there's an "official" waiting list.
>
> Cory
From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 20:38:21 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:38:21 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
<014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID:
I suspect that if you allow for inflation, the K110D costs a lot less in
real money than the K1000, when it first came out.
As for build quality, I am not going to argue.
John
On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:05:53 +0100, William Robb
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "graywolf"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
>
>> Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
>> guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
>> million of them either.
>
> You obviously never picked up one of the later, Chinese built, K1000s.
>
> William Robb
>
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From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 20:41:58 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20060524004158.16515.qmail@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Lovely, elegant photos, Godfrey -- I especially like the pavement
shots, the lines and rough gray texture really add to the interest.
Cement gesso? LOL.
And I am impressed by that lens.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Caught up on all my PAW sends now.
>
> ---
> Heckuva "picture a week" but what the hey, I'm way way behind for
> 2006.
>
> Went for a walk yesterday and still playing with the new 77mm lens so
>
> I brought it along. Garry requested some more color in my work ...
> Maybe some of these will appeal.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
>
> Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
>
> Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
>
> enjoy
> Godfrey
>
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From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 20:45:04 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:45:04 +0100
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
The 77 Ltd has such a formidable reputation than when you order one you
fear you will be disappointed by the reality after such a build-up.
But then it arrives, and you find it's even better.
John
On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:10:10 +0100, Don Sanderson
wrote:
> Some very nice stuff there Godfrey.
> People who can turn the relatively mundane
> into art truly amaze me.
> That 77 seems quite the lens too.
>
> Don
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net]On Behalf Of
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:59 PM
>> To: PDML
>> Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
>>
>>
>> Caught up on all my PAW sends now.
>>
>> ---
>> Heckuva "picture a week" but what the hey, I'm way way behind for 2006.
>>
>> Went for a walk yesterday and still playing with the new 77mm lens so
>> I brought it along. Garry requested some more color in my work ...
>> Maybe some of these will appeal.
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
>> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
>>
>> Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
>>
>> Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
>>
>> enjoy
>> Godfrey
>>
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>> PDML at pdml.net
>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From sdloveless at gmail.com Tue May 23 20:49:32 2006
From: sdloveless at gmail.com (Scott Loveless)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:49:32 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
<014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <2c44384d0605231749u595a11a4lbe47ddcafb29166b@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, John Forbes wrote:
> I suspect that if you allow for inflation, the K110D costs a lot less in
> real money than the K1000, when it first came out.
>
> As for build quality, I am not going to argue.
>
My father purchased a new (Japanese) K1000 kit with the M50/2 lens and
never-ready case in 1984. According to the register receipt, which I
still have, the price was $135US. Granted, the camera was purchased
in a base exchange, so the price was probably slightly less than the
going street price. According to the Inflation Calculator at
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/, that $135 works out to $249.88 in
2005 dollars.
I can't argue with the build quality, either.
--
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http://www.twosixteen.com
--
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 20:53:48 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:53:48 -0400
Subject: PDML Mini-FAQ Link
In-Reply-To: <474.13a5039.31a4f9a1@aol.com>
References: <474.13a5039.31a4f9a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4473AE9C.5080600@charter.net>
Revised FAQ will be upload momentarily...
Thanks for pointing this out, Marnie.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 5/23/2006 4:33:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> gray_wolf at charter.net writes:
> http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
>
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Tue May 23 21:01:11 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:01:11 -0400
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To: <459D00C0-C1BF-4127-A473-BEA705E67CBC@mac.com>
References:
<459D00C0-C1BF-4127-A473-BEA705E67CBC@mac.com>
Message-ID:
Mine have all gone through, and they've appeared on the list within
minutes. Never better, in my memory.
Paul
On May 23, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi we rote:
> Seems we are back to normal.
> About 75% of my posts don't seem to go anywhere.
>
> Godfrey
>
>
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From forbes at clara.net Tue May 23 21:05:15 2006
From: forbes at clara.net (John Forbes)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 02:05:15 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <2c44384d0605231749u595a11a4lbe47ddcafb29166b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
<014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<2c44384d0605231749u595a11a4lbe47ddcafb29166b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:49:32 +0100, Scott Loveless
wrote:
> On 5/23/06, John Forbes wrote:
>> I suspect that if you allow for inflation, the K110D costs a lot less in
>> real money than the K1000, when it first came out.
>>
>> As for build quality, I am not going to argue.
>>
>
> My father purchased a new (Japanese) K1000 kit with the M50/2 lens and
> never-ready case in 1984. According to the register receipt, which I
> still have, the price was $135US. Granted, the camera was purchased
> in a base exchange, so the price was probably slightly less than the
> going street price. According to the Inflation Calculator at
> http://www.westegg.com/inflation/, that $135 works out to $249.88 in
> 2005 dollars.
>
> I can't argue with the build quality, either.
Yes, but it came out in 1976, and cost quite a lot more then, in real
terms. When I bought my first SPII, three years earlier, it was a month's
pay. The K110D is closer to a day's pay, though admittedly my earning
power has increased a bit over the years.
John
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From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 21:08:31 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:08:31 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <4473B20F.4070600@charter.net>
Let me correct something here. Minolta was one of the first mainstream
camera companies with a digital SLR. The R-100D (my memory may be bad on
that model number) was out long before Nikon or Canon produced a DSLR.
Only Kodak was in that market at the time. It had 3 sensors, one for
each color, and was supposedly a pretty good, if expensive, camera. Now
I can not even bring it up on Google. Such is fame, just a passing fancy.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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-----------------------------------
William Robb wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralf R. Radermacher"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
>
>
>> Don't be ridiculous.
>
> Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
>
>
> Minolta self destructed by not putting a DSLR out until it was way too late,
> but they will live on as Sony, Contax mishadled themselves into bankruptcy
> when they were still a German company, and Bronica would have done OK except
> that they were replaced by DSLRs.
>
> William Robb
>
>
>
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From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 21:09:24 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:09:24 EDT
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID: <418.207e4ee.31a50c44@aol.com>
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wall.htm
Marnie aka Doe
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 21:10:46 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:10:46 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <4473B296.9010908@charter.net>
I think trying to buy out all its competitors in the color copier
business is what caused Minoltas problems. Kind of like buying other
peoples problems .
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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-----------------------------------
William Robb wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralf R. Radermacher"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
>
>
>> Don't be ridiculous.
>
> Can you spell Minolta, Contax, Bronica?
>
>
> Minolta self destructed by not putting a DSLR out until it was way too late,
> but they will live on as Sony, Contax mishadled themselves into bankruptcy
> when they were still a German company, and Bronica would have done OK except
> that they were replaced by DSLRs.
>
> William Robb
>
>
>
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From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 21:12:51 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:12:51 EDT
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
Message-ID: <2a6.4399d7a.31a50d13@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 6:03:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pnstenquist at comcast.net writes:
Mine have all gone through, and they've appeared on the list within
minutes. Never better, in my memory.
Paul
On May 23, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi we rote:
> Seems we are back to normal.
> About 75% of my posts don't seem to go anywhere.
>
> Godfrey
===========
I'd say about 70% of mine are going through quick, and about 30% show up a
lot, lot later. Just when I think a post is not going to show up, it does.
Marnie aka Doe
From brooksdj at ca.inter.net Tue May 23 21:13:36 2006
From: brooksdj at ca.inter.net (brooksdj at ca.inter.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:13:36 US/Eastern
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucas Rijnders"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
>
>
> > At the risk of sounding like Bill gates: why would anyone (o.k.: any
> > consumer) need more than 5 frames at 2,8 fps? Can it get you any pictures
> > that you can't get by improving your timing?
>
> For me, it isn't the 2.8fps, it's the excruciatingly slow buffer that goes
> along with it.
> I don't know how the newer cameras stack up, I shoot an istD. I can fill the
> buffer in about a half minute of normal shooting if I am in the studio, and
> then i have to wait a minute to empty.
> Not bad if you have a naked female to talk to while the buffer empties, not
> so good if youre subject is an impatient person in a suit who has other
> things to do that day.
Or a horse that does not want to jump any more today.
LOL
Thats my manebeef with the camera,slow.
MY D1 is my slowest Nikon Dslr at 4fps and buffer is 20n jpgs IMSMC and the D2H is 40.
BTW the pic's fromthe show this weekend on the D2h look pretty good. Maybe 4 times in a
year to service finally got it
right.
:-)
Dave
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 21:20:37 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:20:37 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4473B4E5.9040408@charter.net>
Hey, Dave, I am glad so hear that.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
brooksdj at ca.inter.net wrote:
> BTW the pic's fromthe show this weekend on the D2h look pretty good. Maybe 4 times in a
> year to service finally got it
> right.
> :-)
From sdloveless at gmail.com Tue May 23 21:25:44 2006
From: sdloveless at gmail.com (Scott Loveless)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:25:44 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
<014e01c67ec5$d4c07e80$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<2c44384d0605231749u595a11a4lbe47ddcafb29166b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c44384d0605231825j25c52d6ey5ee27d75c93d756c@mail.gmail.com>
On 5/23/06, John Forbes wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:49:32 +0100, Scott Loveless
> wrote:
> > My father purchased a new (Japanese) K1000 kit with the M50/2 lens and
> > never-ready case in 1984. According to the register receipt, which I
> > still have, the price was $135US. Granted, the camera was purchased
> > in a base exchange, so the price was probably slightly less than the
> > going street price. According to the Inflation Calculator at
> > http://www.westegg.com/inflation/, that $135 works out to $249.88 in
> > 2005 dollars.
> >
> > I can't argue with the build quality, either.
>
> Yes, but it came out in 1976, and cost quite a lot more then, in real
> terms. When I bought my first SPII, three years earlier, it was a month's
> pay. The K110D is closer to a day's pay, though admittedly my earning
> power has increased a bit over the years.
>
Out of curiousity, what was the street price (ballpark) for a K1000 in 1976?
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
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From johnf at panix.com Tue May 23 21:29:51 2006
From: johnf at panix.com (John Francis)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:29:51 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <4473B20F.4070600@charter.net>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<4473B20F.4070600@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20060524012951.GA4400@panix.com>
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 09:08:31PM -0400, graywolf wrote:
> Let me correct something here. Minolta was one of the first mainstream
> camera companies with a digital SLR. The R-100D (my memory may be bad on
> that model number) was out long before Nikon or Canon produced a DSLR.
That would be the Minolta RD-175, introduced around the time of the PZ-1p
(and which cost somewhere on the wrong side of $10,000, if memory serves).
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 21:33:18 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:33:18 -0700
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID: <410-22006532413318312@earthlink.net>
Nothing come up but the frame.
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 5/23/2006 6:13:57 PM
> Subject: PESO - Wall
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wall.htm
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
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From annsan at rcn.com Tue May 23 21:35:35 2006
From: annsan at rcn.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:35:35 -0400
Subject: Thanks Doug!
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
<447389D7.5080703@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4473B867.924CF469@rcn.com>
graywolf wrote:
>
> Agreed! Thanks, Doug.
>
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> -----------------------------------
>
> pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote:
> > First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all your hard work.
> > Paul
> >
>
here is another boring ME TOO DITTO Hurrah!!!!!
ann
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 21:39:44 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:39:44 -0700
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID: <410-22006532413944812@earthlink.net>
OK, it came up on the second try.
The pic does nothing for me - maybe others will like it. The lines going
off in different directions make it appear incohesive, the tonality - and
yes, I understand this may be intended as a high tonal range pic - doesn't
add to the imagery. What time of day did you shoot it? Maybe a different
TOD would add more shadow interest, or perhaps you could play with the
contrast a bit. Maybe move closer or further from the wall, or shoot from
different angles. There may be some possibilities you've not seen - or
that I've missed completely. Then again, walls are not my thing so much as
sidewalks and pavement.
Good to see that you're experimenting, though.
Shel
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wall.htm
From gray_wolf at charter.net Tue May 23 21:42:20 2006
From: gray_wolf at charter.net (graywolf)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:42:20 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060524012951.GA4400@panix.com>
References: <1hft5r1.1sc5tob1ypli4mM%fotoralf@gmx.de> <014d01c67ec5$d4ab21c0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop> <4473B20F.4070600@charter.net>
<20060524012951.GA4400@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4473B9FC.2000903@charter.net>
Yes, RD-175! When I looked at one it was $3500 (out of NYC), but that
was probably after it had been on the market for awhile, maybe even
discontinued.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
-----------------------------------
John Francis wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 09:08:31PM -0400, graywolf wrote:
>> Let me correct something here. Minolta was one of the first mainstream
>> camera companies with a digital SLR. The R-100D (my memory may be bad on
>> that model number) was out long before Nikon or Canon produced a DSLR.
>
> That would be the Minolta RD-175, introduced around the time of the PZ-1p
> (and which cost somewhere on the wrong side of $10,000, if memory serves).
>
>
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From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 21:44:02 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:44:02 EDT
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID: <496.7cfda7.31a51462@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 6:36:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scbelinkoff at earthlink.net writes:
Nothing come up but the frame.
Shel
=========
Hmmm. I had that happen when I used IE, but not when I used Netscape. So I
thought it was my IE buffer. Beats me. Frankly, I don't know what to do with it
now. The pic is there.
Marnie aka Doe
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 21:46:40 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:46:40 EDT
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID:
In a message dated 5/23/2006 6:36:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scbelinkoff at earthlink.net writes:
Nothing come up but the frame.
Shel
=========
Hmmm. I had that happen when I used IE, but not when I used Netscape. So I
thought it was my IE buffer. Beats me. Frankly, I don't know what to do with it
now. The pic is there.
Marnie aka Doe
==========
Whatever the problem was it works now. Maybe it was an AOL buffer thing. Who
knows?
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wall.htm
Marnie aka Doe
From annsan at rcn.com Tue May 23 21:48:11 2006
From: annsan at rcn.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:48:11 -0400
Subject: GFM 2004 Essay (resend)
References: <20060523202917.7267@smtp.mac.com>
Message-ID: <4473BB5B.4997DF2B@rcn.com>
Cotty wrote:
>
> If you've seen this already, skip over it :-)
>
> What with the list offline for a few days, I'll resend this in case
> anyone missed it and would like to see it. There's quite a few of you
> heading up to Grandfather Mountain next week, and I'll be as soar as a
> bear for the duration. Meanwhile, here's some pics from the 2004 event
> to get you in the mood.....
>
> (couple a dozen pics, none larger than 80kb in size, dial ups will struggle)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
>
>
Well except for that pic taht makes Frank and I look like we
are p.o.'ed at each other
and I look well um a tad larger than I am, these were
wonderful - especially the series
of black and white close ups... great stuff, Cott
BRawaahaahh and I'm not gonna be there this year....
thanks for this nice nostalgia
ann
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 21:50:11 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:50:11 EDT
Subject: PESO - Wall
Message-ID: <44f.17fb552.31a515d3@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 6:45:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scbelinkoff at earthlink.net writes:
OK, it came up on the second try.
The pic does nothing for me - maybe others will like it. The lines going
off in different directions make it appear incohesive, the tonality - and
yes, I understand this may be intended as a high tonal range pic - doesn't
add to the imagery. What time of day did you shoot it? Maybe a different
TOD would add more shadow interest, or perhaps you could play with the
contrast a bit. Maybe move closer or further from the wall, or shoot from
different angles. There may be some possibilities you've not seen - or
that I've missed completely. Then again, walls are not my thing so much as
sidewalks and pavement.
Good to see that you're experimenting, though.
Shel
========
Thanks for the input, Shel. Actually, I think I prefer it color. And I am
going to make a collage of the various shots I got and it will become clearer
what they are. I also think they are more interesting taken as a whole, but it's
going to take me a while to do the collage.
So I was just curious if anyone was attracted to one of them in B&W.
Marnie aka Doe
From scbelinkoff at earthlink.net Tue May 23 21:52:59 2006
From: scbelinkoff at earthlink.net (Shel Belinkoff)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:52:59 -0700
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
Message-ID: <410-22006532415259531@earthlink.net>
Hi Godders ...
I like the simplicity of many of these. It's amazing what a line or a
crack or a simple shadow can do to make a photo interesting.
For the most part the flower pics didn't do much for me, although I ~did~
like the poppy. But that was more in keeping with the simpler theme of the
other pics.
My taste runs to slightly darker backgrounds, but these have a nice tonal
balance and make for enjoyable viewing.
Welcome to the Brotherhood of 77
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
From ryan at hack.net Tue May 23 21:55:43 2006
From: ryan at hack.net (Ryan K. Brooks)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:55:43 -0500
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
In-Reply-To: <2a6.4399d7a.31a50d13@aol.com>
References: <2a6.4399d7a.31a50d13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4473BD1F.6010901@hack.net>
> ===========
> I'd say about 70% of mine are going through quick, and about 30% show up a
> lot, lot later. Just when I think a post is not going to show up, it does.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
> ______
You're on AOL. It's really hard to deliver to AOL... if you want to be
on mailing lists, I'd recommend a different account.
I admin a bunch of lists and AOL is the crappiest at timely receipt of
email lists. They really strain any mailing list software.
-Ryan
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 22:06:50 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:06:50 EDT
Subject: Here's hoping we're back to normal ...
Message-ID: <408.2e7a67f.31a519ba@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 6:58:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ryan at hack.net
writes:
You're on AOL. It's really hard to deliver to AOL... if you want to be
on mailing lists, I'd recommend a different account.
I admin a bunch of lists and AOL is the crappiest at timely receipt of
email lists. They really strain any mailing list software.
-Ryan
========
This is the only mailing list I've ever had a problem with. I am currently on
two others, and, have in the past, been on an additional two.
It's easy to blame AOL, and believe me I do, but it's not to blame for
everything.
Marnie aka Doe :-)
From skyehi at gmail.com Tue May 23 22:42:30 2006
From: skyehi at gmail.com (skye)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:42:30 -0700
Subject: PDML Mini-FAQ Link
In-Reply-To: <44739A7A.3050808@charter.net>
References: <44739A7A.3050808@charter.net>
Message-ID:
I often wonder whether it would be a good idea to include the frappr
link in the FAQ (that would be http://www.frappr.com/pdml). Seems like
a shame to let the thing be forgotten, although I'm never sure whether
it belongs in a faq.
On 5/23/06, graywolf wrote:
> http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
>
>
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 22:51:20 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:51:20 EDT
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
Message-ID: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
This is a Macro Macro shot of what I showed earlier. I thought people might
prefer the more conventional one (the other one -- this isn't). Not sure it's
totally successful, but I like it. And I like it a lot more than the other two
I've shown today...
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
That's if for now, re MY pent up PESOs.
Any suggestions/comments welcome.
Marnie aka Doe ;-)
From ziobacio at yahoo.com Tue May 23 22:58:23 2006
From: ziobacio at yahoo.com (UncaMikey)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
In-Reply-To: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060524025823.74994.qmail@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Oh wow, yea, me too, I like this one more than the others you posted.
Flower photography has never been a great interest of mine, and I sure
can't take decent flower pictures, but this is really cool, more like a
painting than a photograph.
*>Unca Mikey
--- Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> This is a Macro Macro shot of what I showed earlier. I thought people
> might
> prefer the more conventional one (the other one -- this isn't). Not
> sure it's
> totally successful, but I like it. And I like it a lot more than the
> other two
> I've shown today...
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
>
> That's if for now, re MY pent up PESOs.
>
> Any suggestions/comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
>
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From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 23:02:37 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:02:37 EDT
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
Message-ID: <464.1588339.31a526cd@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 5:00:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
godders at mac.com writes:
Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
enjoy
Godfrey
========
Interestingly, I prefer, of those you've shown, your B&W colors. The ones
with the concrete with a dash of color. What does that mean? You decide. ;-)
The poppy is nice too.
Marnie aka Doe
From Eactivist at aol.com Tue May 23 23:04:38 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:04:38 EDT
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
Message-ID: <44e.1820253.31a52746@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 8:01:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ziobacio at yahoo.com writes:
Oh wow, yea, me too, I like this one more than the others you posted.
Flower photography has never been a great interest of mine, and I sure
can't take decent flower pictures, but this is really cool, more like a
painting than a photograph.
======
Hey, thanks. :-) I am not big on flowers either, but what the hey they are
what I had in the backyard to shoot on a drizzly slow (non-PDML) Sunday.
Thanks again. That is what I was going for.
Marnie
--- Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> This is a Macro Macro shot of what I showed earlier. I thought people
> might
> prefer the more conventional one (the other one -- this isn't). Not
> sure it's
> totally successful, but I like it. And I like it a lot more than the
> other two
> I've shown today...
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
>
> That's if for now, re MY pent up PESOs.
>
> Any suggestions/comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
From aaron at aaronreynolds.ca Tue May 23 23:05:45 2006
From: aaron at aaronreynolds.ca (Aaron Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:05:45 -0400
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3861037d8ca59111d9eed3935b5adcd9@aaronreynolds.ca>
On May 23, 2006, at 6:55 PM, graywolf wrote:
> Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
> guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
> million of them either.
I haven't seen a DL -- are they a crappier build than the DS2? I
actually have found the little beastie to be quite solid.
For Cotty -- six photogs at tonight's Jays - Rays game (yeah, not very
many -- the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are, uh, terrible) -- three EOS-1s
that belonged to the two bigger Toronto daily papers and CP, one D2H
that belonged to a different Toronto daily, one D200 that belonged to
the Jays official photo service, and a DS2.
I'm pretty sure the newspaper guys are all salaried and have no further
ownership of their images.
-Aaron
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 00:57:46 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:57:46 +0200
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID: <4473E7CA.1070302@gmail.com>
Hi!
> ...
> With that, I bid you all welcome to the new, improved PDML.
>
> Many regards,
>
> Doug
> List Guy
Great job, Doug...
Many thanks.
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 00:59:29 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:59:29 +0200
Subject: Thanks Doug!
In-Reply-To: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
References: <052320061757.14220.44734D21000007BD0000378C22135753339B9C079A9E020A9B9C029F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4473E831.9010708@gmail.com>
Hi!
> First, Doug saved the list from the Pentax abandonment. Now, he's
> saved it from the suffocated servers. You the man! Thanks for all
> your hard work.
> Paul
Indeed...
Let's have a drink in honor of Doug... L'chaim!
Boris
From Eactivist at aol.com Wed May 24 00:02:11 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:02:11 EDT
Subject: PESO: Abe's House (again)
Message-ID: <387.39535ba.31a534c3@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 12:58:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rwomer1004 at yahoo.com writes:
I like this shot, Bob! The relationship between Abe
and the people is nicely done.
Rick
========
Ditto. I don't mind the blown highlights on the left either, as it's sort of
a monumental shot :-), which means a little haloing is okay.
Marnie aka Doe
From ramarren at mac.com Wed May 24 00:22:57 2006
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:22:57 -0700
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <9EB54707-B22B-4755-907C-3E073F6E4A3E@mac.com>
On May 23, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Bob W wrote:
> Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about
> digital
> cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification,
> sensor
> size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
You can get some of this information out of DPReview.com using the
Buyers Guide Side-by-Side page.
> While delving around the internet for information, I discovered
> that Pentax
> sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and
> the price
> suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody
> tell me
> whether this is so, or not?
It's a very good lens, based on all the work I've seen posted that
was made with it.
> On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and
> aperture
> would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my
> purposes.
> Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
> approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able
> to find
> such a thing in my searches.
Do you mean a lens with that range of field of view from a 35mm
camera point of view? If so, there's the Pentax DA16-45/4 AL, which
is excellent. If you mean the actual focal lengths, probably one of
the best lenses available is the FA24-90/3.5-4.5... It's not a
constant aperture zoom, but it's an excellent lens nonetheless.
Godfrey
From dougbrewer at adelphia.net Wed May 24 00:19:55 2006
From: dougbrewer at adelphia.net (Doug Brewer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:19:55 -0400
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <122C5C20-73FF-4A8C-BB46-2C4A93DC46C5@adelphia.net>
Hey Bob,
I just got the DA12-24/4 about a week and a half ago, and have been
trying it out a bit, in between list issues. It seems a winner. I
haven't really put to any hard tests, mostly been trying to get a
feel for it, but I'll see if I can work up some examples in the next
couple days.
Doug
also expecting the 10-17 Fisheye Zoom
On May 23, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Bob W wrote:
> It's been mentioned here before that in the UK the *ist DL2 is on
> offer for
> a very cheap price. So cheap that I have been tempted to buy one. My
> temptation has been increased by the fact that I've just forked out
> rather
> more than the price of one of these cameras for film processing.
>
> However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are
> in. Mike
> Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
> viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of
> the most
> important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the
> DL2 is
> probably not for me.
>
> Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about
> digital
> cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification,
> sensor
> size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
>
> While delving around the internet for information, I discovered
> that Pentax
> sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and
> the price
> suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody
> tell me
> whether this is so, or not?
>
> On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and
> aperture
> would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my
> purposes.
> Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
> approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able
> to find
> such a thing in my searches.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From annsan at rcn.com Wed May 24 00:25:32 2006
From: annsan at rcn.com (Ann Sanfedele)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:25:32 -0400
Subject: PAW - Practice
References: <439.1f2946f.31a4f5d0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4473E03C.8D89C7E8@rcn.com>
Lovely shot, Marnie
- and a good way to get away from the the harder parts of
life, isn't it?
so what is the square name for that blossom?
Ann
(the good thing about the list disappearing was I coudl
catch up)
Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Pulling a Bruce, I looked at this and saw a ballerina's legs as she practiced
> -- on tippy toes, wearing leg warmers. That's the second reason for the name
> (and if you'll believe that you'll believe anything :-)).
>
> Nothing special, but a lot better than I could have done several years ago.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/practice.htm
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe
>
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From ramarren at mac.com Wed May 24 00:45:37 2006
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:45:37 -0700
Subject: Pentax K100D photos
Message-ID: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax101.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax102.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax103.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax104.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax105.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax106.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax107.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax108.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax109.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax110.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax111.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax112.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax113.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax114.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax115.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax116.jpg
enjoy
Godfrey
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Wed May 24 00:47:58 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:47:58 -0700
Subject: PAW - Practice
In-Reply-To: <439.1f2946f.31a4f5d0@aol.com>
References: <439.1f2946f.31a4f5d0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49299413796.20060523214758@daytonphoto.com>
Not, bad, not bad. There is something about it that keeps my
attention. I think it might be the in/out of focus brushes - almost
looks like a bottle brush, come to think of it. Nice work.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 4:33:36 PM, you wrote:
Eac> I got so bored Sunday, no list and all, I (gasp) actually did some
Eac> photography.
Eac> Since taking care of Mom since her colostomy operation keeps me very, very
Eac> busy, I only went as far as our backyard. I tried both telephoto and macro.
Eac> I've been thinking I should migrate from PESOs to PAWs. Go back to the
Eac> drawing board and just practice photography more (more consistently). I still have
Eac> so much to learn to get better. One reason the name of this is practice.
Eac> Tamron 90mm SP, f /3.2, 1/100, 200 ISO
Eac> Pulling a Bruce, I looked at this and saw a ballerina's legs as she practiced
Eac> -- on tippy toes, wearing leg warmers. That's the second reason for the name
Eac> (and if you'll believe that you'll believe anything :-)).
Eac> Nothing special, but a lot better than I could have done several years ago.
Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/practice.htm
Eac> Comments welcome.
Eac> Marnie aka Doe
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From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Wed May 24 00:51:24 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:51:24 -0700
Subject: PAW 2006 - 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 - GDG
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <191299619625.20060523215124@daytonphoto.com>
Hello Godfrey,
#12 and #15 are outstanding - the rest are good.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 4:58:41 PM, you wrote:
GD> Caught up on all my PAW sends now.
GD> ---
GD> Heckuva "picture a week" but what the hey, I'm way way behind for 2006.
GD> Went for a walk yesterday and still playing with the new 77mm lens so
GD> I brought it along. Garry requested some more color in my work ...
GD> Maybe some of these will appeal.
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/11.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/12.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/13.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/14.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/15.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/16.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/17.htm
GD> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/18.htm
GD> Larger versions available by clicking on the image... :-)
GD> Comments, critique and flames always appreciated.
GD> enjoy
GD> Godfrey
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From dougbrewer at adelphia.net Wed May 24 00:50:20 2006
From: dougbrewer at adelphia.net (Doug Brewer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:50:20 -0400
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
In-Reply-To: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
References: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
Message-ID:
On May 23, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Eactivist at aol.com wrote:
> This is a Macro Macro shot of what I showed earlier. I thought
> people might
> prefer the more conventional one (the other one -- this isn't). Not
> sure it's
> totally successful, but I like it. And I like it a lot more than
> the other two
> I've shown today...
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
>
> That's if for now, re MY pent up PESOs.
>
> Any suggestions/comments welcome.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
This is one of the better shots you've ever posted here, Marnie.
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Wed May 24 00:59:06 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:59:06 -0700
Subject: PESO - Wall
In-Reply-To: <418.207e4ee.31a50c44@aol.com>
References: <418.207e4ee.31a50c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <93300081875.20060523215906@daytonphoto.com>
Interesting concept. It seems just a bit off regarding sharpness or
DOF or something. Perhaps it is the shadowing on it. I would do a
lot more exploration of this one just to see what you can come up
with. Show more, show less, different lighting (time of day), etc.
Be sure to stop way down to get the max DOF you can.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 6:09:24 PM, you wrote:
Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/wall.htm
Eac> Marnie aka Doe
Eac> _______________________________________________
Eac> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Eac> PDML at pdml.net
Eac> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From bkdayton at daytonphoto.com Wed May 24 01:01:11 2006
From: bkdayton at daytonphoto.com (Bruce Dayton)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:01:11 -0700
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
In-Reply-To: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
References: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
Message-ID: <152300206593.20060523220111@daytonphoto.com>
I like this one a bit better than the first. Nice eye and work!
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Tuesday, May 23, 2006, 7:51:20 PM, you wrote:
Eac> This is a Macro Macro shot of what I showed earlier. I thought people might
Eac> prefer the more conventional one (the other one -- this isn't). Not sure it's
Eac> totally successful, but I like it. And I like it a lot more than the other two
Eac> I've shown today...
Eac> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
Eac> That's if for now, re MY pent up PESOs.
Eac> Any suggestions/comments welcome.
Eac> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
Eac> _______________________________________________
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Eac> PDML at pdml.net
Eac> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Wed May 24 01:08:11 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:08:11 -0600
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
References: <1bd.53d7a92.31a52428@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007201c67ef0$17712660$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Brewer"
Subject: Re: PESO - Joyful Abandon
>> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/joy.htm
> This is one of the better shots you've ever posted here, Marnie.
When Brewer sez a shot is good, I hafta go look too.
Normally, I don't comment on pictures, but....
This is an excellent photograph. The composition is dynamic, the colour is
vibrant, the depth of field is adequate (a bit more would have been nice,
but that may not have been possible).
Well done, Marnie.
William Robb
From Eactivist at aol.com Wed May 24 01:43:01 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:43:01 EDT
Subject: PESO - Joyful Abandon
Message-ID: <484.a0008f.31a54c65@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 10:20:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
w__robb at accesscomm.ca writes:
When Brewer sez a shot is good, I hafta go look too.
Normally, I don't comment on pictures, but....
This is an excellent photograph. The composition is dynamic, the colour is
vibrant, the depth of field is adequate (a bit more would have been nice,
but that may not have been possible).
Well done, Marnie.
William Robb
=========
Hey, cool. Thanks WW. Actually DOF was a bit of a problem, because if I did
too much I got the blue spots on the ends of the pink fronds (whatever they are
called) obscuring the look inside. So I tried it both ways, blue spots on
ends in focus, or centers in focus. The centers worked better.
Thanks Doug. Wow.
Thanks Bruce. :-)
Marnie (all aglow)
From Eactivist at aol.com Wed May 24 01:46:21 2006
From: Eactivist at aol.com (Eactivist at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:46:21 EDT
Subject: PAW - Practice
Message-ID: <489.a037dd.31a54d2d@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/23/2006 9:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bkdayton at daytonphoto.com writes:
Not, bad, not bad. There is something about it that keeps my
attention. I think it might be the in/out of focus brushes - almost
looks like a bottle brush, come to think of it. Nice work.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
======
Thanks. Not the best it could be, but I rather liked it. It IS a bottle brush
(we have a tree right next to the condo, I must say of the flowering tree
variety I think it is rather interesting). I took several at this distance, some
with more brushes in the back. Not sure this was the best of the lot, but I
think it had the most pleasing brokah (drat I misspelled that :-)).
Thanks for looking.
Marnie aka Doe I could get addicted to my 90mm lens.
From don.williams at pp.inet.fi Wed May 24 01:49:22 2006
From: don.williams at pp.inet.fi (Don Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:49:22 +0300
Subject: Pentax K100D photos
In-Reply-To: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
References: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
Is there a 'Pop Up' flash in there? I don't see a button.
Don
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax101.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax102.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax103.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax104.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax105.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax106.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax107.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax108.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax109.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax110.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax111.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax112.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax113.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax114.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax115.jpg
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax116.jpg
>
> enjoy
> Godfrey
>
> _______________________________________________
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> PDML at pdml.net
> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
>
>
>
--
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www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/
41660 TOIVAKKA ? Finland - +358400706616
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 01:51:03 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:51:03 +0300
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
Message-ID: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
Hi!
Like promised to another list member here is a little amusement shot for
you:
http://boris.isra-shop.com/temp/IMGP5964.jpg
Shot quickly and dirtily with FA 28-105/4-5.6 IF :-).
--
Boris
From ramarren at mac.com Wed May 24 01:59:32 2006
From: ramarren at mac.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:59:32 -0700
Subject: Pentax K100D photos
In-Reply-To: <4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
References: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
<4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID:
> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/
> pentax108.jpg
On the upper left.
Godfrey
On May 23, 2006, at 10:49 PM, Don Williams wrote:
> Is there a 'Pop Up' flash in there? I don't see a button.
From webster26 at mindspring.com Wed May 24 02:35:37 2006
From: webster26 at mindspring.com (P. J. Alling)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 02:35:37 -0400
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
In-Reply-To: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4473FEB9.20909@mindspring.com>
I hate you. (and before WW chimes in I hate him too...)
Boris Liberman wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Like promised to another list member here is a little amusement shot for
> you:
>
>http://boris.isra-shop.com/temp/IMGP5964.jpg
>
>Shot quickly and dirtily with FA 28-105/4-5.6 IF :-).
>
>
>
--
When you're worried or in doubt,
Run in circles, (scream and shout).
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Wed May 24 02:26:12 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:26:12 -0600
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
References: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c67efb$e64d1420$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
>
> http://boris.isra-shop.com/temp/IMGP5964.jpg
>
They aren't a matched set.
William Robb
From jens.bladt at webspeed.dk Wed May 24 02:34:31 2006
From: jens.bladt at webspeed.dk (Jens Bladt)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:34:31 +0200
Subject: Test
In-Reply-To: <44739318.4000702@mykroft.com>
Message-ID:
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From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 02:47:34 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:47:34 +0100
Subject: FS: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060524064734.13533@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Now that the list is healthy again I'll send this one _last_ time.
>(Promise) ;-)
>It would bother me more to see someone who wants to go miss out
>than it would to waste the 100 bucks.
If I could get time off work Don, I'd snap that up.
But I can't.
WAAAAAA
Cheers,
Cotty
___/\__
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_____________________________
From Photolucas at gmx.net Wed May 24 02:48:22 2006
From: Photolucas at gmx.net (Lucas Rijnders)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:48:22 +0200
Subject: Introduction and question
In-Reply-To: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
References: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Message-ID:
Op Tue, 23 May 2006 23:18:09 +0200 schreef cbwaters
:
> I'm about to buy an autofocus 28-105. I understand the Power zoom
> version is probably the best but is that the 58 or the 62 (IF) filter
> version? Is the newer FA version bad enough to warrant living with the
> weight of the older PZ version?
The powerzoom 28-105 has an 58mm filter thread and is indeed a good lens.
The 62mm filter version is the rebadged Tamron, and reputedly the worst
(or maybe, least good) of the bunch. The latest version is the f/3.2-4.5,
which has a good reputation as well. In chronological order:
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/short/FA28-105f4-5.6-i.html
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/short/FA28-105f4-5.6-ii.html
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/lenses/zooms/short/FA28-105f3.2-4.5.html
--
Regards, Lucas
From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 02:51:22 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:51:22 +0100
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
In-Reply-To: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm>
References: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm>
Message-ID: <20060524065122.28931@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, luka6000, discombobulated, unleashed:
> So we had almost 4 days of shooting with our
>Pentaxes, taking about Pentax, touching others
Knowing how pretty Polish girls are, I'm coming next year!!!
Cheers,
Cotty
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_____________________________
From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 02:51:58 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:51:58 +0100
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
In-Reply-To: <44739AF2.4030504@charter.net>
References: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm> <44739AF2.4030504@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20060524065158.22650@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Your wish is my comand:
>
>http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
>
>Hum... last update as a year ago? Anyway it was based pretty much upon
>list consensus. I guess I should start posting the link weekly again.
Why not ask Doug if he'll link to it from the PDML site?
Cheers,
Cotty
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From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 02:55:27 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:55:27 +0300
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
In-Reply-To: <002301c67efb$e64d1420$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
<002301c67efb$e64d1420$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <5bf68b7a0605232355w644e4ea1maac5c1f2dc91480c@mail.gmail.com>
Hi!
> They aren't a matched set.
It depends on how you define "matched". Yes, they are of different
colors. But, which is difficult to see on the picture, each has a
*matched* Pentax SMC UV L39 filter attached ;-).
--
Boris
From w__robb at accesscomm.ca Wed May 24 03:07:26 2006
From: w__robb at accesscomm.ca (William Robb)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 01:07:26 -0600
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
References: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com><002301c67efb$e64d1420$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<5bf68b7a0605232355w644e4ea1maac5c1f2dc91480c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c67f00$b9813ca0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boris Liberman"
Subject: Re: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
> Hi!
>
>> They aren't a matched set.
>
> It depends on how you define "matched".
Ideally, three black lenses.
The black 77 is definitely a better lens than the silver one.
HAR!!!
ww
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 03:15:47 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:15:47 +0300
Subject: Not really a PESO - "Embrace your suckiness" (repost)
In-Reply-To: <005401c67f00$b9813ca0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <5bf68b7a0605232251p644aa7cepb5e868ad8044a146@mail.gmail.com>
<002301c67efb$e64d1420$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<5bf68b7a0605232355w644e4ea1maac5c1f2dc91480c@mail.gmail.com>
<005401c67f00$b9813ca0$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <5bf68b7a0605240015p4219fd7dr57f5cde1f9d1712e@mail.gmail.com>
Hi!
> Ideally, three black lenses.
> The black 77 is definitely a better *LOOKING* lens than the silver one.
;-)
I've inserted a word, you know...
--
Boris
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 03:19:19 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:19:19 +0300
Subject: Just few words about *istDL
Message-ID: <5bf68b7a0605240019g7bc158cfn2f64b1384e352940@mail.gmail.com>
Hi!
My co-worker bought an *istDL. So I had to return to him that Sigma
24/2.8 lens :-(.
However I just had a chance to handle the sucker... It's AF is
decidedly more silent than that of *istD... Of course F 50/1.7 is not
a heavy lens to rotate, yet it seems very silent. The viewfinder is
absolutely unuseable for manual focusing. I think *istD is marginal. I
don't remember my impressions from *istDS's I handled in UK...
Generally, this camera feels very good. The screen is big and it is
very nice. The interface with the single wheel and a button just by
the on/off switch can in fact be used for hyper program mode. Pity
Pentax did not include that in their program for the camera.
Let's just say, I think *istDL is very worthy camera and mounting on
it some good lenses, say limited ones ;-), one can get perfectly
excellent results with it.
--
Boris
From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 03:38:38 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:38:38 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <014c01c67ec5$d490e300$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
<014c01c67ec5$d490e300$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
Message-ID: <20060524073838.25898@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Not bad if you have a naked female to talk to while the buffer empties,
She could even have an extra tattoo added while waiting....
Cheers,
Cotty
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From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 02:51:58 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:51:58 +0100
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
In-Reply-To: <44739AF2.4030504@charter.net>
References: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm> <44739AF2.4030504@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20060524065158.22650@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Your wish is my comand:
>
>http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html
>
>Hum... last update as a year ago? Anyway it was based pretty much upon
>list consensus. I guess I should start posting the link weekly again.
Why not ask Doug if he'll link to it from the PDML site?
Cheers,
Cotty
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From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 03:32:15 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:32:15 +0100
Subject: PAW - Practice
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References: <439.1f2946f.31a4f5d0@aol.com>
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On 23/5/06, Eactivist at aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Nothing special, but a lot better than I could have done several years ago.
>
>http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/practice.htm
Nice one Marn. I like it.
Cheers,
Cotty
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From kavousan at epcc.ed.ac.uk Wed May 24 03:39:20 2006
From: kavousan at epcc.ed.ac.uk (Kostas Kavoussanakis)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:39:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Just few words about *istDL
In-Reply-To: <5bf68b7a0605240019g7bc158cfn2f64b1384e352940@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bf68b7a0605240019g7bc158cfn2f64b1384e352940@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 24 May 2006, Boris Liberman wrote:
> The viewfinder is absolutely unuseable for manual focusing.
> Let's just say, I think *istDL is very worthy camera and mounting on
> it some good lenses, say limited ones ;-), one can get perfectly
> excellent results with it.
I cannot counter the lens argument :-) Otherwise, I find the second
statement a surprising conclusion given the first statement. Even on
the MZ-S with the bright viewfinder I frequently question, at least
check the AF on the VF. Did you find the DL VF suitable at least for
that?
Kostas
From cottycam at mac.com Wed May 24 03:45:13 2006
From: cottycam at mac.com (Cotty)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:45:13 +0100
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <3861037d8ca59111d9eed3935b5adcd9@aaronreynolds.ca>
References: <410-22006522320629640@earthlink.net>
<447392D0.1070404@charter.net>
<3861037d8ca59111d9eed3935b5adcd9@aaronreynolds.ca>
Message-ID: <20060524074513.30033@smtp.mac.com>
On 23/5/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed:
>For Cotty -- six photogs at tonight's Jays - Rays game (yeah, not very
>many -- the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are, uh, terrible) -- three EOS-1s
>that belonged to the two bigger Toronto daily papers and CP, one D2H
>that belonged to a different Toronto daily, one D200 that belonged to
>the Jays official photo service, and a DS2.
>
>I'm pretty sure the newspaper guys are all salaried and have no further
>ownership of their images.
I haven't seen a film camera at a game / presser / photocall for more
than 2 years over here in the UK. I see Nikon / Canon being used with
approx a 50 / 50 split. If I go to a national event like (say)
repatriation of newsworthy individuals (say) at Heathrow, then I see a
larger proportion of Canon, bit only recently. I used to see a larger
proportion of Nikon.
At UK football games (the real football now ;-) anyone sitting on the
pitch watching the corner kicks has a white lens and a wireless link.
YMMV
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From sylwiuszp at o2.pl Wed May 24 03:52:52 2006
From: sylwiuszp at o2.pl (Sylwester Pietrzyk)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:52:52 +0200
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
In-Reply-To: <20060524065122.28931@smtp.mac.com>
References: <44738124.80007@poczta.fm> <20060524065122.28931@smtp.mac.com>
Message-ID: <2C6983E2-514C-4EF4-90C0-911D39B9A03E@o2.pl>
On May 24, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Cotty wrote:
> Knowing how pretty Polish girls are, I'm coming next year!!!
I hope you are :-) I'll send you details as soon as I know them ;-)
Cheers,
Sylwek
From boris71 at gmail.com Wed May 24 04:13:02 2006
From: boris71 at gmail.com (Boris Liberman)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:13:02 +0300
Subject: Just few words about *istDL
In-Reply-To:
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Hi!
> I cannot counter the lens argument :-) Otherwise, I find the second
> statement a surprising conclusion given the first statement. Even on
> the MZ-S with the bright viewfinder I frequently question, at least
> check the AF on the VF. Did you find the DL VF suitable at least for
> that?
Kostas, like I said, it seems very difficult (for my poor eyesight) to
focus manually with *istDL. It is perfectly useable for checking AF
though.
The VF of *istD is significantly better, yet it is very far from say,
ME Super's VF.
--
Boris
From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 04:24:25 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 8:24:25 +0000
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
Message-ID: <20060524082425.XZQQ19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: "Bob W"
> Date: 2006/05/23 Tue PM 08:23:56 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
>
> It's been mentioned here before that in the UK the *ist DL2 is on offer for
> a very cheap price. So cheap that I have been tempted to buy one. My
> temptation has been increased by the fact that I've just forked out rather
> more than the price of one of these cameras for film processing.
>
> However, I don't like buying such things until all the facts are in. Mike
> Wilson recently bought one, and made a comment along the lines of the
> viewfinder being like looking down a drinking straw. For me one of the most
> important things in a camera is a big, bright viewfinder, so the DL2 is
> probably not for me.
It's something I really don't like about the camera but have got used to. The "run out of buffer" syndrome, on the other hand, is something I am finding much more irritating. Trying to photograph blue tits nesting was an exercise in frustration. So many potential shots, so few recorded. IAC, you will probably be able to have an extended play with it in a few weeks.
>
> Does anybody know of a resource which provides salient facts about digital
> cameras in a table? Facts such as viewfinder size, magnification, sensor
> size, shutter lag, robustness and so on.
>
> While delving around the internet for information, I discovered that Pentax
> sell a 12-24mm lens with a fixed max aperture of f/4. The spec and the price
> suggest to me that this is probably a very good lens. Can anybody tell me
> whether this is so, or not?
>
> On a digital camera a high quality lens of those focal lengths and aperture
> would probably be one half of all that was needed for most of my purposes.
> Is there a high quality lens available with a focal length range of
> approximately 24-70mm and a fixed maximum aperture? I wasn't able to find
> such a thing in my searches.
FA* 28-80/2.8 is findable secondhand. There is a Sigma "equivalent" (same numbers) that is cheaper new than the Pentax secondhand. ?399 in Jessops.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 04:25:27 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 8:25:27 +0000
Subject: From The List Guy
Message-ID: <20060524082527.YACG19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: Cotty
> Date: 2006/05/23 Tue PM 08:25:21 GMT
> To: "pentax list"
> Subject: Re: From The List Guy
>
> Appreciate your efforts Doug. Bless you.
>
Despite his protestations, I think it is time for more than blessings.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
>
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 04:29:19 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 8:29:19 +0000
Subject: FW: Giacomelli
Message-ID: <20060524082919.GNIC24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: UncaMikey
> Date: 2006/05/23 Tue PM 09:00:26 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: FW: Giacomelli
>
> Thanks for sending this, Bob. I looked at the photos and recognized
> them immediately, although I had forgotten Giacomelli's name or where I
> had seen the pictures. Then I remembered that I first ran across his
> work when I visited Senigallia (his home town) a few years back.
> Lovely stuff. Some of the priest photos make me think of whirling
> dervishes.
That way lies excommunication.
>
> *>Unca Mikey
>
>
>
> --- Bob W wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Today I browsed through a (too large) book of photographs by
> > Giacomelli. I
> > had not realised how many of his photos I was familiar with, or how
> > good he
> > is. He had a very graphic eye (his early training was in typography),
> > and
> > the geometry & poetry of many of his photos is similar to that of
> > HCB.
> > Indeed, they shot many of the same subjects.
> >
> > Here are some examples of his magical work, as a reminder:
> > http://www.robertkleingallery.com/gallery/giacomelli
> >
> > Those of you who are familiar with the Stella Artois "Ice Skating
> > Priests"
> > advert will spot the influence.
> > http://www.visit4info.com/details.cfm?adid=22733
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Bob
>
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From carlos_royo at teleline.es Wed May 24 06:30:29 2006
From: carlos_royo at teleline.es (Carlos Royo)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:29 +0000
Subject: The name is K100D?
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graywolf wrote:
> Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
> guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
> million of them either.
>
As far as I know, Pentax sold 2.5 million K1000 SLRs. That's an
impressive number, but far from 20 million.
Carlos
From hterhell at chello.nl Wed May 24 04:33:36 2006
From: hterhell at chello.nl (Henk Terhell)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:33:36 +0200
Subject: Introduction and question
In-Reply-To: <02bc01c67eae$90773aa0$6101a8c0@homecomputer>
Message-ID: <000701c67f0c$c1a63c30$c500a8c0@htcomputer>
Cory, I got myself recently at a decent price a Giottos GB 1140 aluminum
tripod that is very convenient to take along because it has shoulder
strap and foam grips. Weight is 1.3 kg so not much more than an
expensive carbon Gitzo.
See www.giottos.com
Henk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdml-bounces at pdml.net [mailto:pdml-bounces at pdml.net] On
> Behalf Of cbwaters
> Sent: 23 May, 2006 11:18 PM
> To: Pdml at pdml.net
> Subject: Introduction and question
>
>
> Hi,
> My name's Cory and I shoot Pentax cameras.
> [All: "Hi Cory"]
> I have the *istD, a ZX-5n, and a black MX. I have several
> lenses that have impact damage and a few that don't. I live
> in Douglasville, GA (USA) and would be happy to have lunch or
> dinner with anybody from this list who'd care to stop in for a visit.
>
> Anybody got a recommendation for a decent entry level tripod?
> I'm wanting one though I don't use the wal-mart version I
> currently have often enough to justify a better one. But
> then, maybe I don't use it because it sucks?
>
> I'm about to buy an autofocus 28-105. I understand the Power
> zoom version is probably the best but is that the 58 or the
> 62 (IF) filter version? Is the newer FA version bad enough
> to warrant living with the weight of the older PZ version?
>
> Ok, that's two questions... but what the hell, the list has
> been slow :)
>
> Cory
>
>
>
>
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 04:35:05 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 8:35:05 +0000
Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
Message-ID: <20060524083505.GQET24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: luka6000
> Date: 2006/05/23 Tue PM 09:39:48 GMT
> To: pdml at pdml.net
> Subject: III Polish Pentax Days
>
> I would like to show You some of my pictures taken during the III Polish
> Pentax Days which took place here, in Poland at our coast in Leba.
> The meeting geathered arround 40 Pentax users and their families from
> all arround the country. So we had almost 4 days of shooting with our
> Pentaxes, taking about Pentax, touching others Pentax stuff and so on. I
> must say, it was a very nice and well organized social event :]
>
> http://luka.legionowo.eu.org/III-PPD/
Spoko!
Witaj......8-)
>
> maybe some other people from Poland will write more - that's it from me.
> Feel free to comment my photos :)
>
> PS: I couldn't find the meaning of PESO, GESO and others, used in
> topics. Maybe put it in FAQ?
>
> regards
>
> --
> ?ukasz Gr?bczewski
> www.legionowo.eu.org
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tysiace zdjec swietnych samochodow! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f1944
>
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From pentaxlist at gmail.com Wed May 24 04:54:42 2006
From: pentaxlist at gmail.com (Thibouille)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:54:42 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To: <20060524073838.25898@smtp.mac.com>
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
<014c01c67ec5$d490e300$9701a8c0@BillsDesktop>
<20060524073838.25898@smtp.mac.com>
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All of this is well and all but D/DS/DL small buffer isn't that worse
than film bodies isn't it?
It is more problematic for the D since it is a more advanced camera
but AFAIC DS/SL buffer is OK in that price range. Some film bodies
couldn't go past 1 fps, you get 2.5 till the buffer is empty again and
moreover you aren't limited to 36 exposures per card.
So, really what's wrong?
I can understand if you paid DS thousand dollars/euros etc. but for
the DL and K100D/110D I really do not see any issue.
Regards,
----------------------
Thibouille
----------------------
*ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
From pentaxlist at gmail.com Wed May 24 05:08:19 2006
From: pentaxlist at gmail.com (Thibouille)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:08:19 +0200
Subject: From The List Guy
In-Reply-To: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
References: <24734303.1148410410890.JavaMail.root@web19>
Message-ID:
Many many thans, Doug for your hard work.
Despite the numbers of emails stating problems with the list
behaviour, I'm convinced everybody here is very happy to have a list
at all...
So many thanks from Belgium ;)
----------------------
Thibouille
----------------------
*ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...
From pentaxlist at gmail.com Wed May 24 05:12:34 2006
From: pentaxlist at gmail.com (Thibouille)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:12:34 +0200
Subject: PcCard CF adapter
Message-ID:
I'm looking for a CF -> PC card adapter of good qualitity.
I found near me a Sandisk Ultra adapter but it only accepts type I
card according to Sandisk website. As I own a 4GB microdrive, it would
be really stupid to buy that one.
Of course a 16bit adapter is out of the question, I want speed: I just
got my Core Duo ultra portable and wouldn't like it to be used with a
16bit stuff ;)
----------------------
Thibouille
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From Photolucas at gmx.net Wed May 24 05:13:39 2006
From: Photolucas at gmx.net (Lucas Rijnders)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:13:39 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
References: <1hft44g.v16ree4bmohsM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
<4473531B.3020401@mykroft.com>
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<20060524073838.25898@smtp.mac.com>
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Op Wed, 24 May 2006 10:54:42 +0200 schreef Thibouille
:
> All of this is well and all but D/DS/DL small buffer isn't that worse
> than film bodies isn't it?
>
> It is more problematic for the D since it is a more advanced camera
> but AFAIC DS/SL buffer is OK in that price range. Some film bodies
> couldn't go past 1 fps, you get 2.5 till the buffer is empty again and
> moreover you aren't limited to 36 exposures per card.
>
> So, really what's wrong?
If I understood correctly, you get 2,8 fps for the first couple (three to
five) of pictures, after which the frame rate drops quite dramatically to
0,16 (*ist-D) or 0,33 (-DS) (timings from dpreview). Most people are not
complaining about the 2,8 fps, but the 0,33 (and 0,16!) apppears to be
limiting, especially since you can fill the buffer when shooting slower
than 2,8 fps...
The film bodies are actually better here (: they have a 24 or 36 frame
buffer, the continuous shooting speed is maintained until the film runs
out... For comparison: my lowly MZ-50 can shoot 36 frames in 18 seconds,
the *ist-DS would need 100 seconds, the *ist-D 265 seconds. Even worse: If
you shoot every other second, the MZ-50 will stay responsive throughout
the roll, the *ist-DS will fill the buffer in less than half a minute,
after which you can only shoot every three seconds...
> I can understand if you paid DS thousand dollars/euros etc. but for
> the DL and K100D/110D I really do not see any issue.
Not an issue for the target audience, I think. But I can see why folks
here don't like it. Did someone find the card write speed for the K-series
yet? They could still be improved, in which case the buffer isn't such a
problem...
--
Regards, Lucas
From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 05:19:36 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 9:19:36 +0000
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID: <20060524091936.HMWN24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: Aaron Reynolds
> Date: 2006/05/24 Wed AM 03:05:45 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
>
> On May 23, 2006, at 6:55 PM, graywolf wrote:
>
> > Except it cost 5 times as much, and is made one fifth as well. Well, I
> > guess that is the price of progress. The probably will not sell 20
> > million of them either.
>
> I haven't seen a DL -- are they a crappier build than the DS2? I
> actually have found the little beastie to be quite solid.
For modern stuff, it's not bad at all. I'm waiting for the battery compartment door to appear as a separate item in my hand and I'm aware that, if I bump it, it will crack rather than dent but that is the limit of my worries on the build quality score.
>
> For Cotty -- six photogs at tonight's Jays - Rays game (yeah, not very
> many -- the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are, uh, terrible) -- three EOS-1s
> that belonged to the two bigger Toronto daily papers and CP, one D2H
> that belonged to a different Toronto daily, one D200 that belonged to
> the Jays official photo service, and a DS2.
>
> I'm pretty sure the newspaper guys are all salaried and have no further
> ownership of their images.
>
> -Aaron
>
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 05:25:21 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 9:25:21 +0000
Subject: FS: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
Message-ID: <20060524092521.TTQM16086.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: Cotty
> Date: 2006/05/24 Wed AM 06:47:34 GMT
> To: "pentax list"
> Subject: Re: FS: GFM Nature Photography Weekend Pass
>
> On 23/5/06, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Now that the list is healthy again I'll send this one _last_ time.
> >(Promise) ;-)
> >It would bother me more to see someone who wants to go miss out
> >than it would to waste the 100 bucks.
>
> If I could get time off work Don, I'd snap that up.
>
>
> But I can't.
>
> WAAAAAA
>
Steady, now.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
>
>
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 05:29:36 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 9:29:36 +0000
Subject: The name is K100D?
Message-ID: <20060524092936.RFCI16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
>
> From: Cotty
> Date: 2006/05/24 Wed AM 07:45:13 GMT
> To: "pentax list"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
> On 23/5/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >For Cotty -- six photogs at tonight's Jays - Rays game (yeah, not very
> >many -- the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are, uh, terrible) -- three EOS-1s
> >that belonged to the two bigger Toronto daily papers and CP, one D2H
> >that belonged to a different Toronto daily, one D200 that belonged to
> >the Jays official photo service, and a DS2.
> >
> >I'm pretty sure the newspaper guys are all salaried and have no further
> >ownership of their images.
>
> I haven't seen a film camera at a game / presser / photocall for more
> than 2 years over here in the UK. I see Nikon / Canon being used with
> approx a 50 / 50 split. If I go to a national event like (say)
> repatriation of newsworthy individuals (say) at Heathrow, then I see a
> larger proportion of Canon, bit only recently. I used to see a larger
> proportion of Nikon.
>
> At UK football games (the real football now ;-) anyone sitting on the
> pitch watching the corner kicks has a white lens and a wireless link.
Would that be "white" white or "greeny" white?
>
> YMMV
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Cotty
>
>
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From fotoralf at gmx.de Wed May 24 05:30:28 2006
From: fotoralf at gmx.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:30:28 +0200
Subject: The name is K100D?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <1hfua6o.3zq7y1ql779sM%fotoralf@gmx.de>
Lucas Rijnders wrote:
> If I understood correctly, you get 2,8 fps for the first couple (three to
> five) of pictures, after which the frame rate drops quite dramatically to
> 0,16 (*ist-D) or 0,33 (-DS) (timings from dpreview). Most people are not
> complaining about the 2,8 fps, but the 0,33 (and 0,16!) apppears to be
> limiting, especially since you can fill the buffer when shooting slower
> than 2,8 fps...
Exactly. Just imagine a sequence of 12 shots for stitching a panorama.
It's windy, the clouds are moving fast, and the light keeps changing, so
you need to proceed swiftly. Having to adjust the camera after each
shot, you'll still be shooting *way* below 2.8 fps.
These are the situations where you'll find out soon enough why a slow
buffer really hurts.
Ralf
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From m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com Wed May 24 05:36:01 2006
From: m.9.wilson at ntlworld.com (mike wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 9:36:01 +0000
Subject: The name is K100D?
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>
> From: Thibouille
> Date: 2006/05/24 Wed AM 08:54:42 GMT
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> Subject: Re: The name is K100D?
>
> All of this is well and all but D/DS/DL small buffer isn't that worse
> than film bodies isn't it?
>
> It is more problematic for the D since it is a more advanced camera
> but AFAIC DS/SL buffer is OK in that price range. Some film bodies
> couldn't go past 1 fps, you get 2.5 till the buffer is empty again and
> moreover you aren't limited to 36 exposures per card.
>
> So, really what's wrong?
Agreed that you were limited to 36 exposures with an ordinary film camera. With the DL2, once the buffer is filled, the camera is so slow that I could beat it using my thumb....
>
> I can understand if you paid DS thousand dollars/euros etc. but for
> the DL and K100D/110D I really do not see any issue.
>
> Regards,
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From keith_w at dslextreme.com Wed May 24 05:44:16 2006
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 02:44:16 -0700
Subject: Pentax K100D photos
In-Reply-To: <4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
References: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
<4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <44742AF0.70402@dslextreme.com>
Don Williams wrote:
> Is there a 'Pop Up' flash in there? I don't see a button.
>
> Don
Look at image 108, to the left of the eyepiece. Small button.
keith
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax101.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax102.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax103.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax104.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax105.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax106.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax107.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax108.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax109.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax110.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax111.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax112.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax113.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax114.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax115.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax116.jpg
>>
>> enjoy
>> Godfrey
From keith_w at dslextreme.com Wed May 24 05:48:16 2006
From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 02:48:16 -0700
Subject: Pentax K100D photos
In-Reply-To: <4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
References: <40AD5D2F-F542-4A2A-A166-1E8EE7481CD7@mac.com>
<4473F3E2.70207@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <44742BE0.2080702@dslextreme.com>
Wow! Great set of photos!
I like the design a lot.
keith
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax101.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax102.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax103.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax104.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax105.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax106.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax107.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax108.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax109.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax110.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax111.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax112.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax113.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax114.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax115.jpg
>> http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/05/22/pentax116.jpg
>>
>> enjoy
>> Godfrey
From pnstenquist at comcast.net Wed May 24 06:17:00 2006
From: pnstenquist at comcast.net (Paul Stenquist)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:17:00 -0400
Subject: Comparison of Pentax (and other) digital cameras?
In-Reply-To: