Bitches Brew should be on top. Although in a silent way was good, Bitches Brew is the rawest most pure form of fusion you can get. It sold alot more than In A Silent Way has. In A Silent Way should be second. Also it spawned the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Chick Corea, and many other artist in the top 100. I also think Tribute to Jack Johnson should be switched with Amandla. More critics think of Tribute to Jack Johnson than Amandla. JJ gets 5 stars by almost every reviewer where as Amandla is hardly recognized and receives a 3-4 star rating.

Bitches Brew should be on top. Although in a silent way was good, Bitches Brew is the rawest most pure form of fusion you can get. It sold alot more than In A Silent Way has. In A Silent Way should be second. Also it spawned the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Chick Corea, and many other artist in the top 100. I also think Tribute to Jack Johnson should be switched with Amandla. More critics think of Tribute to Jack Johnson than Amandla. JJ gets 5 stars by almost every reviewer where as Amandla is hardly recognized and receives a 3-4 star rating.

Yeah, I kind of agree too that Bitches Brew should be #1 considering it was the first album that was fully recognized as being the beginning of fusion. If you're going to put "In a Silent Way" high on the list, then you'd probably consider putting The Free Spirits "Out of Sight and Sound" on this list considering that was one of the very first albums that combined jazz with rock. You'd also have to consider Gary Burton's album "Duster" at the top of the list.

Those are indeed some of the first records most point to as some of the origins of fusion, and are worth noting in a historical setting in that respect...it's just my thought/opinion that they don't make the "Greatest" 100 list. And it's my opinion that "In A Silent Way" has had more influence on fusion over time than "Bitches Brew"...the music on "In A Silent Way" has held up a better over time as the most prominent early marker of fusion as a genre. Musicians I know still play "In A Silent Way"'s music on a much more regular basis, it has a timeless quality in that respect.

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Those are indeed some of the first records most point to as some of the origins of fusion, and are worth noting in a historical setting in that respect...it's just my thought/opinion that they don't make the "Greatest" 100 list. And it's my opinion that "In A Silent Way" has had more influence on fusion over time than "Bitches Brew"...the music on "In A Silent Way" has held up a better over time as the most prominent early market of fusion as a genre. Musicians I know still play "In A Silent Way"'s music on a much more regular basis, it has a timeless quality in that respect.

Why couldn't "Out of Sight and Sound" and "Duster" be in the top 20? I'd group them together with "In a Silent Way" which are albums that are kind of like "pre-fusion" fusion.

Also, I think there should be some Chick Corea Elektric Band albums. They're one of the greatest fusion groups.

Those are indeed some of the first records most point to as some of the origins of fusion, and are worth noting in a historical setting in that respect...it's just my thought/opinion that they don't make the "Greatest" 100 list. And it's my opinion that "In A Silent Way" has had more influence on fusion over time than "Bitches Brew"...the music on "In A Silent Way" has held up a better over time as the most prominent early market of fusion as a genre. Musicians I know still play "In A Silent Way"'s music on a much more regular basis, it has a timeless quality in that respect.

Why couldn't "Out of Sight and Sound" and "Duster" be in the top 20? I'd group them together with "In a Silent Way" which are albums that are kind of like "pre-fusion" fusion.

Also, I think there should be some Chick Corea Elektric Band albums. They're one of the greatest fusion groups.

Again...a matter of opinion...I look at "Out" and "Duster" as historical records, but not ones I listen to with any regularity. I have four Corea/RTF records in the Top 50. I am not, as I mentioned earlier, a huge fan of the DiMeola RTF or Gambale Elektric bands, and think there are a lot of other bands worthy of mention in these lists beyond having 10 Corea/RTF/EB records out of 100...there's a lot more good music out there. The original Jazz Fusion article on Wikipedia I found back in 2006 was written by a Dutch guy that thought RTF and EB were practically the beginning and end of the entire genre, something I found was way, way off. Other people can of course find that to be their personal "truth" if they wish.

If I was doing these based solely on my own personal preferences, I'd have a lot more Holdsworth, Tribal Tech/Henderson, Soft Machine and a few other bands...we all have our personal preferences, and I tried to balance my preferences with what I know other musicians talk about most often, as well as other factors.

Those are indeed some of the first records most point to as some of the origins of fusion, and are worth noting in a historical setting in that respect...it's just my thought/opinion that they don't make the "Greatest" 100 list. And it's my opinion that "In A Silent Way" has had more influence on fusion over time than "Bitches Brew"...the music on "In A Silent Way" has held up a better over time as the most prominent early market of fusion as a genre. Musicians I know still play "In A Silent Way"'s music on a much more regular basis, it has a timeless quality in that respect.

Why couldn't "Out of Sight and Sound" and "Duster" be in the top 20? I'd group them together with "In a Silent Way" which are albums that are kind of like "pre-fusion" fusion.

Also, I think there should be some Chick Corea Elektric Band albums. They're one of the greatest fusion groups.

Again...a matter of opinion...I look at "Out" and "Duster" as historical records, but not ones I listen to with any regularity. I have four Corea/RTF records in the Top 50. I am not, as I mentioned earlier, a huge fan of the DiMeola RTF or Gambale Elektric bands, and think there are a lot of other bands worthy of mention in these lists beyond having 10 Corea/RTF/EB records out of 100...there's a lot more good music out there. The original Jazz Fusion article on Wikipedia I found back in 2006 was written by a Dutch guy that thought RTF and EB were practically the beginning and end of the entire genre, something I found was way, way off. Other people can of course find that to be their personal "truth" if they wish.

If I was doing these based solely on my own personal preferences, I'd have a lot more Holdsworth, Tribal Tech/Henderson, Soft Machine and a few other bands...we all have our personal preferences, and I tried to balance my preferences with what I know other musicians talk about most often, as well as other factors.

The thing I notice on your fusion lists is that you put a lot of rock/fusion dudes. It seems that you are kind of a more rock/fusion guy, so you are going to put more rock dudes on the list rather than jazz guys. Personally, I believe that there are three categories of fusion: jazz-fusion, fusion, rock-fusion. Jazz-fusion are guys like Chick Corea, Pat Metheny. Fusion are guys like Holdsworth, Gambale, Henderson. Rock-fusion are guys like Howe, Donati, Lane. Out of these three categories the jazz-fusion & fusion guys should probably represent more often than the rock-fusion dudes. I hope you understand what I mean.

The thing I notice on your fusion lists is that you put a lot of rock/fusion dudes. It seems that you are kind of a more rock/fusion guy, so you are going to put more rock dudes on the list rather than jazz guys. Personally, I believe that there are three categories of fusion: jazz-fusion, fusion, rock-fusion. Jazz-fusion are guys like Chick Corea, Pat Metheny. Fusion are guys like Holdsworth, Gambale, Henderson. Rock-fusion are guys like Howe, Donati, Lane. Out of these three categories the jazz-fusion & fusion guys should probably represent more often than the rock-fusion dudes. I hope you understand what I mean.

I know what you mean, but I follow the more general definition of jazz fusion, which at its origin was specifically coined as a term to merge rock and jazz. If you look at my guitar preferences, for example, you see Holdsworth and Henderson in the top 3, Lane and Howe are much further down...the only two "rock" guys in my Top 10 Guitarists are Zappa and Santana...and that has a lot to do with their composition in addition to just pure guitar playing. The other eight would be people from the "jazz" side of the ledger in my mind. There are some rock guys like Chris Poland I don't like at all some people think are the greatest fusion guys out there today. If fusion was originally defined as the merging of rock and jazz, the original rock-jazz players deserve plenty of consideration. Again, my opinion.

The thing I notice on your fusion lists is that you put a lot of rock/fusion dudes. It seems that you are kind of a more rock/fusion guy, so you are going to put more rock dudes on the list rather than jazz guys. Personally, I believe that there are three categories of fusion: jazz-fusion, fusion, rock-fusion. Jazz-fusion are guys like Chick Corea, Pat Metheny. Fusion are guys like Holdsworth, Gambale, Henderson. Rock-fusion are guys like Howe, Donati, Lane. Out of these three categories the jazz-fusion & fusion guys should probably represent more often than the rock-fusion dudes. I hope you understand what I mean.

I know what you mean, but I follow the more general definition of jazz fusion, which at its origin was specifically coined as a term to merge rock and jazz. If you look at my guitar preferences, for example, you see Holdsworth and Henderson in the top 3, Lane and Howe are much further down...the only two "rock" guys in my Top 10 Guitarists are Zappa and Santana...and that has a lot to do with their composition in addition to just pure guitar playing. The other eight would be people from the "jazz" side of the ledger in my mind. There are some rock guys like Chris Poland I don't like at all some people think are the greatest fusion guys out there today. If fusion was originally defined as the merging of rock and jazz, the original rock-jazz players deserve plenty of consideration. Again, my opinion.

What are your feelings as to why so many rock/fusion dudes belong on the list? I have always grown up thinking fusion was more of a jazz cat type of a deal.

I think I've already answered that...the genre was established to try and categorize musicians blending aspects of both rock and jazz, and it later expanded to include world and other music. Most of the fusion I listen to comes from jazz-origin players, as I pointed to in having 8 of the top 10 guitarists from the "jazz world". If you look at the Musician categories, they are overwhelmingly, but not exclusively, players from the jazz world.

I think I've already answered that...the genre was established to try and categorize musicians blending aspects of both rock and jazz, and it later expanded to include world and other music. Most of the fusion I listen to comes from jazz-origin players, as I pointed to in having 8 of the top 10 guitarists from the "jazz world". If you look at the Musician categories, they are overwhelmingly, but not exclusively, players from the jazz world.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure. Hope to eventually see it as a predominantly jazz musician list.

I think I've already answered that...the genre was established to try and categorize musicians blending aspects of both rock and jazz, and it later expanded to include world and other music. Most of the fusion I listen to comes from jazz-origin players, as I pointed to in having 8 of the top 10 guitarists from the "jazz world". If you look at the Musician categories, they are overwhelmingly, but not exclusively, players from the jazz world.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure. Hope to eventually see it as a predominantly jazz musician list.

I think I've already answered that...the genre was established to try and categorize musicians blending aspects of both rock and jazz, and it later expanded to include world and other music. Most of the fusion I listen to comes from jazz-origin players, as I pointed to in having 8 of the top 10 guitarists from the "jazz world". If you look at the Musician categories, they are overwhelmingly, but not exclusively, players from the jazz world.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure. Hope to eventually see it as a predominantly jazz musician list.

It already IS.

Alright, thanks. There are just a few things that I disagree with on the fusion lists.

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