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“Most of what people know is BS.” Jan Irvin of Gnostic Media joins Bulletproof Radio to talk The Trivium Method and Transhumanism – amongst other things. To say that Jan constitutes a wealth of information would be a gross understatement. Well known for fact checking and principled verification, Irvin shares his insights on critical thinking, common sense, and psychedelics. Enjoy!

Jan Irvin is an independent researcher, author, and lecturer. He hosts the popular Gnostic Media podcast, and has done much to expose ongoing CIA programs, such as Operation MKULTRA – the reality of which is only now coming to light – 40 years on. Jan has done over 200 radio interviews (on other programs), has been featured in several documentaries, and has produced many documentaries and videos himself. He also authored the book The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity; A critical re-evaluation of the schism between John M. Allegro and R. Gordon Wasson over the theory on the entheogenic origins of Christianity presented in The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, 2008.

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I mean this in a most sincere form of respect and honestness, and I hope for an honest and positive consideration of my reply.

I feel that I have came away from this discussion with Dave with a confused Idea of what the Trivium Method was, how we can use it, and why we should. It seems that if a person were to be asked these things and he was in fact using the methods of the Trivium, that that person would have followed all the necessary steps of the Trivium method–meaning that Dave’s understanding of the Trivium at all, would have proved that the person being asked the question–communicated the answers to the questions in an appropriate way.

That being said, I feel like either Dave knows exactly what the differences between the Classical Trivium, and the Trivium Method are— and he was using red herrings, conjecture, and irrelevancies to throw an otherwise very aware Jan Irvine off his track. OR like I said above, there was failure in use of the Trivium method ( and maybe a little NVC) proved by Dave’s seeming lack of understanding of what the Trivium was.

Pointed answers to the how and why of using the Trivium include : “the Trivium Method as used by Pythagoras includes the 3,4,5 triangle, is a system of applying a method of the question of “how do we know what we know?” And “this is different than the Classical version of the Trivium that was developed AND DEGRADED further from that by the Romans into the Servile Arts” and “the reason we want to use a more wholistic approach to how we know what we know, is– because use of the Trivium method allows you to learn any subject in a quarter or the time…”
and hopefully this is done within the first five minuets….

“….and the reason the Cias introduction of LSD in the sixties was for Anthropological Genocide and social engineering.”

“….and the reason Transhumanism is a concern of mine, is because of the Moral, Ethical, Spiritual questions that arise for both Humans and Machines alike.”

Ya! It’s a mix of all the wisdom we’ve learned, just repeated. Repeated because those who have came before have done the hard work to develop the method, and since is a system based on truth(numbers) we just don’t have to reinvent how we express how we teach others the method. Can this approach ( using the trivium method)wisdom even get any better? I don’t think so. I think what can get better is how we attempt to actually USE IT.

We just need to actually use the Trivium Method. The reason is because of how deep the Sophistry is. We can so easily be led to using that form of communication. I think this conversation shows this.

-with love, IMO.

ps.I guess that I’m thinking of what Labossie said in his corruption of physics, which I THINK was a Newton quote: — that if you can not get on the same page with definitions, the conversation just can not continue.

@el, I finished watching the interview earlier and Dave mentions several times throughout that many of his listeners may not have much knowledge of the Trivium method or other topics they discussed. So Dave tried to steer the discussion using common fallacious arguments & majority/belief-based methods of thinking. Pit that against Jan’s copious knowledge about the subject, and the disparity gave some great opportunities for Jan to boil things down to a basic level, which would be more suitable as an introduction to the Trivium method of thinking for an audience like Dave’s.

Sometimes people need to both see & hear fallacies & flawed notions being pointed out in real time — as was skillfully done in this interview — before their interest is sparked enough to crack a book or check even a single fact.

And besides, 96.77% of interviews are bullshit done by idiots nowadays, so this podcast was very refreshing (/sarcasm)

I agree with your stance on this transhumanism rubbish. Doesn’t it indicate a little bit of Borg slave hivemind collectivism? Stupid, sick people with circuit boards and toasters grafted into their heads, thinking they are becoming powerful and greater than themselves? Good lordy O. Sounds to me like a fake spirituality being moved on a notch: the idea of transcendence of self but a completely prosthetic and increasing individual effete. BUT organic transcendence (through the DNA) requires freedom and autonomy that will not be allowed much less given, by those tyrannical systems that impose themselves on us, which are solely directed into turning us into mindless mechanized drones.

Im not positing that ALL technology is bad or harmful, we must be careful of what it actually is doing. Mostly it is technology of triviality, gimmickry, servitude and laziness.

An aspect of Neitzsches idea of transcendence in short, was organically though overcoming inner as well as outer obstacles. Nature and physics being a constructive constraint that we are here to transcend and use to become stronger, just like a body builder uses weights to develop muscles.

Dan Winters take on it is that the ‘bad’ guys use external technology like spaceships and vehicles, and the ‘good’guys use their DNA to transport themselves physically. Quite a heavy idea, but it makes a lot of sense to me. The world is a strange place, made stranger by what appears to us be normal…

J,
What is funny is that NO ONE to my knowledge has been forced to inter grate with the Borg*
So far we are still at “how does transhumanism affect me and why I should care?” Stage….

A lot of the idea of a collective transcendence via tech for the 30 something generation comes from Ray Kurtwiel, of course. Anyone who has been to a collage or University in the last decade has been exposed to this idea and if they bought it as anything other than theory—is really just waiting for his ideas of equality and leisure thru transhumanism to just “come true some day” and save the world like a Messiah.

It makes sense that people want God like control;as they are being controlled by people who think they are God. The child emulates the parent.

And AGAIN– what about the multitudes of slave type cyborg Robots that would be theoretic
Y created. After all, once you add a machine to a human, are they still human? UNDER natural law? Common Law? BIG QUESTION here IMO the main question.

The idea of people becoming robot hybrids HAVING NEVER READ THE 4 LAWS of ROBOTICS! Be afraid! It’s like a whole new species is being developed without ANY QUESTION of morality or ethics.

It’s hard to see the idea of Transcendence and pseudo spirituality being the issue here, when we haven’t even started with Genesis. But I agree it’s a component of the whole slippery slope.

What’s up with all the negative reviews of this podcast on Dave Asprey’s website? It seems like Dave’s own listeners have no idea about how critical thinking works, and none of them seem to be on Jan Irvin’s wavelength regarding subjects such as MKultra and the Trivium. Very sad indeed…..

There’s something ironic about watching a guy who wears glasses (technological extension of vision) and a headset (technological extension of hearing) talking into a microphone (technological extension of voice) tell me to be skeptical of transhumanism. 🙂

When transhumanism comes up, just reference The Matrix movies. That usually puts it into perspective. Problem is, given the opportunity to get into one of those pods, most people would beg to get in.