I have two bad knees...most of the time they really don't bother me, or the pain is minor...but every few months, I have a flare up on one knee or the other and that means some strong pain killers...

Usually my bad flare-up last two or three days...but my latest lasted two weeks...lots of pain meds...so I haven't been able to CC for over a week...

But the Docs gave me a new SD tool...a cane...and I've been reading some interesting sites on line to learn tactics and methods to use...

And I ordered a stronger (and classier) cane for future use...

I've been off the pain meds for two days, and went out CCing today, but I know I'll have another flare up in the future, so I'm looking to improve my overall SD toolbox by learning how to use the cane effectively...

Any advice is welcomed...

November 20th, 2010, 02:56 PM

Hiram25

Long, long barreled revolver!

November 20th, 2010, 03:08 PM

Paco

I have been looking in to this as well. I have 2 bad knees, bone on bone for the most part. There is a system called, wait for it...

Cane-Fu.

It can be a very viable close contact defense tool, especially when flying or in other locations where firearms and other defensive tools are prohibited.

The Japanese have Karate-like cane forms, and the Chinese integrate the cane into Tai Chi-like forms, etc.

November 20th, 2010, 03:56 PM

Guantes

In addition to cane speciifc techniques, I would think that non Monadnock baton/riot baton techniques would also be applicable.

November 20th, 2010, 03:59 PM

shockwave

This is a weapon I train with all the time. It's one of the best things you can have and it's utterly devastating. To be good with this kind of implement, you have to work with it. It isn't a baseball bat - you don't swing it unless going for a finishing blow. In most cases, you want to hook or jam it against your opponent's body, and use leverage to execute a takedown.

For example, hold it with two hands, hook the end up and behind the bg's neck, then execute a rowing motion. Stick it through the crotch area and row while you walk past. Jam it under an arm and draw a big circle or two - do figure-8s. It binds the opponent and leverages your body weight and force and is just brutally effective.

Hold it in two hands and point it, tip first, then step and jab. It concentrates all your weight and energy into the tip, for powerful strikes and jabs. Aimed at the base of the neck, the solar plexus, wow. Now swing and rotate your body, using the tip to draw big circles - anything in the path is going to be unhappy.

Combine these techniques, and you have Cane-fu.

November 20th, 2010, 04:06 PM

Guantes

One of my favorites was as a come-along or a nose dive. Holding it in the center, insert it through the legs from the rear then turn it so it bears against the front of both legs. Lift a little and they go wherever you want trying to maintain their balance. Lift more and its a nose dive. Granted you need the right circumstances and an oponent that isn't to heavy to lift.

November 20th, 2010, 04:22 PM

RETSUPT99

You can't even carry a KelTec P-3AT in a pocket holster?

November 20th, 2010, 04:34 PM

DaveJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsupt99

You can't even carry a KelTec P-3AT in a pocket holster?

With the drugs I get, I am not willing to carry a weapon during a serious flare-up...

I hate them (the drugs) and try to use as little as possible...but my reactions and clarity of view is not always the best when on them, and I think it is safer for everyone around me if I don't carry then...

Like I said earlier...its rare that I need those drugs, but when I do...I DO!!!

November 20th, 2010, 05:15 PM

Hopyard

Quote:

Originally Posted by shockwave

This is a weapon I train with all the time. It's one of the best things you can have and it's utterly devastating. To be good with this kind of implement, you have to work with it. It isn't a baseball bat - you don't swing it unless going for a finishing blow. In most cases, you want to hook or jam it against your opponent's body, and use leverage to execute a takedown.

For example, hold it with two hands, hook the end up and behind the bg's neck, then execute a rowing motion. Stick it through the crotch area and row while you walk past. Jam it under an arm and draw a big circle or two - do figure-8s. It binds the opponent and leverages your body weight and force and is just brutally effective.

Hold it in two hands and point it, tip first, then step and jab. It concentrates all your weight and energy into the tip, for powerful strikes and jabs. Aimed at the base of the neck, the solar plexus, wow. Now swing and rotate your body, using the tip to draw big circles - anything in the path is going to be unhappy.

Combine these techniques, and you have Cane-fu.

Yes, as with everything else, some training in technique is needed. A cane can combine techniques used with a bo-staff, Arnis bamboo sticks, and various H2H moves for a very effective defense. But, you need to know how to use it and simply flailing away will likely get it taken and used against you. Learning retention and recovery is really really really important.

November 20th, 2010, 06:07 PM

Old School

A long time ago when I was a younger man I took a course in Jo Do ( the way of the short staff). I still practice a few of the moves that stuck with me over time. I use a straight cane with a knob top handle. If I was under the influence of strong pain medication I would feel that it would be much more difficult for me to protect myself with the cane then even using pepper spray. When I have had to use pain meds in the past, advanced motor skills were not at the top of my list of things I could do well. Staying home and sitting on the couch watching tv or sleeping were my preferred activities. I think I could manage "front sight, press" for close up SD if needed but I understand the OP's concerns. My $.02.:yup:

November 20th, 2010, 06:39 PM

HotGuns

I've actually thought of marketing a gun cane. With the availability of concealed weapons permits it just makes sense. I am not aware of any on the market that one could buy and there does seem to be a market for them.

They would be classed as AOW with the 5 dollar fee. I'm thinking of something like a 2 or 4 shot .357 or .45 Colt. A rimmed cartridge for ease of extraction. Some thing that fulfill the requirements of a concealed handgun, yet one that is quick to access and in a serious caliber. I think it'd doable and practical.

Lets face it, you might beat someone off of you but even that takes a lot of effort.
Leveling a cane at someone and pulling the trigger would be a whole lot easier.

What do y'all think? I've been thinking about coming up with a design for awhile.

The Japanese have Karate-like cane forms, and the Chinese integrate the cane into Tai Chi-like forms, etc.

I would also recommend "Martial Cane Concepts" by Michael Janich. It's self-defense with a cane that is doable by those that are using a cane out of necessity and not just an extension of their martial arts training. The difference is that a lot of the cane stuff shown in some training material cannot be done by someone that has the physical limitations the cane is suppose to help overcome. The techniques Michael demonstrates are effective but do not require super agility and coordination.

November 20th, 2010, 07:00 PM

Ram Rod

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotGuns

I've actually thought of marketing a gun cane. With the availability of concealed weapons permits it just makes sense. I am not aware of any on the market that one could buy and there does seem to be a market for them.

They would be classed as AOW with the 5 dollar fee. I'm thinking of something like a 2 or 4 shot .357 or .45 Colt. A rimmed cartridge for ease of extraction. Some thing that fulfill the requirements of a concealed handgun, yet one that is quick to access and in a serious caliber. I think it'd doable and practical.

Lets face it, you might beat someone off of you but even that takes a lot of effort.
Leveling a cane at someone and pulling the trigger would be a whole lot easier.

What do y'all think? I've been thinking about coming up with a design for awhile.

We'll get there soon. In the meanwhile, I've always liked the canes or walking sticks with the Ninja sword inside. Just a little twist of the wrist and out comes a full sized blade that can take off an arm at the shoulder with a good swing or sever the spinal cord with a full two handed swing at the neck of the opponent. As far as a gun cane....I'm thinking there's already something that's been thought of. Maybe a single shot 12ga, but I'm almost sure we could engineer something better. I'll almost guarantee it would be a single shot. With a cane gun....you'll have to be a true sleeper. Most canes are longer than a normal gun and there's always the possibilities of getting that cane yanked out from under you, or you being in too close proximity to effectively deploy it. It is however an interesting thought.

November 20th, 2010, 07:24 PM

Bill MO

Originally Posted by Pistology
Michael D. Janich has a good rep. No affiliation, but here's the link to his Martial Cane Concepts DVD.

Interview.

The Japanese have Karate-like cane forms, and the Chinese integrate the cane into Tai Chi-like forms, etc.

Quote by 2edgesword

I would also recommend "Martial Cane Concepts" by Michael Janich. It's self-defense with a cane that is doable by those that are using a cane out of necessity and not just an extension of their martial arts training. The difference is that a lot of the cane stuff shown in some training material cannot be done by someone that has the physical limitations the cane is suppose to help overcome. The techniques Michael demonstrates are effective but do not require super agility and coordination.

I will give my vote for Michael Janich's DVD "Martial Cane Concepts". As "2edgesword" posted those who carry a cane because of nesessity can not do the moves of the more martial arts form of training. I have started to carry a cane as of late I found Michal's DVD to be very good info for me, effective but simple.