I feel less petty now, cause I really hated that guy for his smug ass comments on space lol. They have a recent quote from him where he talks about how excited he is for swtor's upcoming space thing, but it's too late lol

EA should see about getting SWG back up an operating somehow, then they would get their money back for SWTOR a lot faster! ;)

I don't think swg 2.0 will ever happen, but I do hope a game comes along and decides to copy most of it's fundamental game processes. What I'm trying to get at, is I want swg 2.0, but I would take a knock off, even a new I.P. Right now, Repopulation has promise, but its an indie, so it will never have the money to go all out unfortunately.

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Originally posted by smh_alotHeh. If people really think that SWTOR or BW will be gone soon like within a year or so, they should bet some serious money on it. But I think none will do that, bc deep down they know it's more wishful thinking than a realistic belief that those'll cease to exist anytime soon.

It's a bad bet on your part, because BioWare is already gone. EA bought BioWare in 2007. BioWare has lost all it's core personell that actually separated BioWare from what people used to remember (mostly recently, but some notables in the past 2 years). All the vacancies are now filled with EA employees.

Taking bets that BioWare will be gone soon? lol get with the program, BioWare is already gone.

If that's your criterium, then as good as all game companies are gone, or other companies as well for that matter, bc you'll always have people leaving and joining in the course of time. If that's your criterium, then you could say Blizzard is gone, when the majority of the key players that made their games like D2, Starcraft and WC3 were gone when 2005-2006 came around.

I'm talking about actually being gone, in the real world. A company is more than a few people. Blizzard isn't gone simply bc the Blizzard that some people knew from the past has changed and seen a number of their key people leave, and the same applies for Bioware. If you don't see them making games as Mass Effect series or Dragon Age anymore, or they all turn out to be like DA2, and BW gets integrated and loses its name like Mythic did, then you can say it's gone.

Anything else is just hyperbolic sentimentality, but then again, we see enough of that around on these forums anyway, so wouldn't be a big surprise, many MMO gamers are bit of a chronic dramaqueens anyway.

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Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by smh_alotHeh. If people really think that SWTOR or BW will be gone soon like within a year or so, they should bet some serious money on it. But I think none will do that, bc deep down they know it's more wishful thinking than a realistic belief that those'll cease to exist anytime soon.

It's a bad bet on your part, because BioWare is already gone. EA bought BioWare in 2007. BioWare has lost all it's core personell that actually separated BioWare from what people used to remember (mostly recently, but some notables in the past 2 years). All the vacancies are now filled with EA employees.

Taking bets that BioWare will be gone soon? lol get with the program, BioWare is already gone.

If that's your criterium, then as good as all game companies are gone, or other companies as well for that matter, bc you'll always have people leaving and joining in the course of time. If that's your criterium, then you could say Blizzard is gone, when the majority of the key players that made their games like D2, Starcraft and WC3 were gone when 2005-2006 came around.

I'm talking about actually being gone, in the real world. A company is more than a few people. Blizzard isn't gone simply bc the Blizzard that some people knew from the past has changed and seen a number of their key people leave, and the same applies for Bioware. If you don't see them making games as Mass Effect series or Dragon Age anymore, or they all turn out to be like DA2, and BW gets integrated and loses its name like Mythic did, then you can say it's gone.

Anything else is just hyperbolic sentimentality, but then again, we see enough of that around on these forums anyway, so wouldn't be a big surprise, many MMO gamers are bit of a chronic dramaqueens anyway.

thats is not his criterium dude, its a thing called reality, a company is just as good as the ppl working for them. Also there is nothing sentimentalist of hyperbolic just simple reason and logic. dont be an azz.

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Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by smh_alotHeh. If people really think that SWTOR or BW will be gone soon like within a year or so, they should bet some serious money on it. But I think none will do that, bc deep down they know it's more wishful thinking than a realistic belief that those'll cease to exist anytime soon.

It's a bad bet on your part, because BioWare is already gone. EA bought BioWare in 2007. BioWare has lost all it's core personell that actually separated BioWare from what people used to remember (mostly recently, but some notables in the past 2 years). All the vacancies are now filled with EA employees.

Taking bets that BioWare will be gone soon? lol get with the program, BioWare is already gone.

If that's your criterium, then as good as all game companies are gone, or other companies as well for that matter, bc you'll always have people leaving and joining in the course of time. If that's your criterium, then you could say Blizzard is gone, when the majority of the key players that made their games like D2, Starcraft and WC3 were gone when 2005-2006 came around.

I'm talking about actually being gone, in the real world. A company is more than a few people. Blizzard isn't gone simply bc the Blizzard that some people knew from the past has changed and seen a number of their key people leave, and the same applies for Bioware. If you don't see them making games as Mass Effect series or Dragon Age anymore, or they all turn out to be like DA2, and BW gets integrated and loses its name like Mythic did, then you can say it's gone.

Anything else is just hyperbolic sentimentality, but then again, we see enough of that around on these forums anyway, so wouldn't be a big surprise, many MMO gamers are bit of a chronic dramaqueens anyway.

Blizzard are pretty much like EA or SOE or LA, they have varying quality

Bioware was a dedicated small team on its own, pumping out top class game after top class game, because they cared at one point about their games. Now that team is gone, even if there are more Dragon Ages and Mass Effects, the quality will not be so certain, but EA probably will still use the Bioware name, to enhance their sales.

The Sims were originally developed my Maxis with EAs name on it, and now is just called The Sims Studio and is all EA, with Maxis no where in sight

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Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by smh_alotHeh. If people really think that SWTOR or BW will be gone soon like within a year or so, they should bet some serious money on it. But I think none will do that, bc deep down they know it's more wishful thinking than a realistic belief that those'll cease to exist anytime soon.

It's a bad bet on your part, because BioWare is already gone. EA bought BioWare in 2007. BioWare has lost all it's core personell that actually separated BioWare from what people used to remember (mostly recently, but some notables in the past 2 years). All the vacancies are now filled with EA employees.

Taking bets that BioWare will be gone soon? lol get with the program, BioWare is already gone.

If that's your criterium, then as good as all game companies are gone, or other companies as well for that matter, bc you'll always have people leaving and joining in the course of time. If that's your criterium, then you could say Blizzard is gone, when the majority of the key players that made their games like D2, Starcraft and WC3 were gone when 2005-2006 came around.

I'm talking about actually being gone, in the real world. A company is more than a few people. Blizzard isn't gone simply bc the Blizzard that some people knew from the past has changed and seen a number of their key people leave, and the same applies for Bioware. If you don't see them making games as Mass Effect series or Dragon Age anymore, or they all turn out to be like DA2, and BW gets integrated and loses its name like Mythic did, then you can say it's gone.

Anything else is just hyperbolic sentimentality, but then again, we see enough of that around on these forums anyway, so wouldn't be a big surprise, many MMO gamers are bit of a chronic dramaqueens anyway.

So very true. With the way some of them go on and on week in and week out on the same subject you would think the end of days has arrived. Even bible thumpers don't dramatize and beat a horse this much.

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Originally posted by ShakyMoI'm not a wow fan And I'm definetly not a diablo 3 fan.

But its unfair to lump blizzard in with ea. Blizzard don't around buying up good games companies and turning them to shit.

Amen. They have the decency, at least, to keep their shit turning powers focused only on themselves. I kid, mostly. I still love most of what Blizzard does. I actually thought SC2 was a blast. I didn't buy D3 simply because I find Torchlight a better game to wait for. The RMT thing sure did give em fits though.

Really, though, this problem finds in fault in you guys. I mean, we, as gamers, have known for a decade or better than EA is seriously just screwing things up for everything. Yet we still feed em cash. We should have buried that company in refused sales years ago. How about you all just stop hoping anything good will ever come of them and keep your money. I haven't bought anything from em in a good while. Matter of fact, these days I only really buy from Bethesda.

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Originally posted by ShakyMoI'm not a wow fan And I'm definetly not a diablo 3 fan.

But its unfair to lump blizzard in with ea. Blizzard don't around buying up good games companies and turning them to shit.

Apples to Oranges.

Lump Activision in with EA instead (publisher to publisher). Blizzard was reformed in 2009 to create the company now: Activision-Blizzard. But, as when you sell your soul to any large conglomorate publisher (EA or Activision in this case), quality takes a plunge.

Anyone that played WoW would notice the huge drop in quality around 2009+, as the game became more of a money maker than a fun pasttime for gamers. Cash-shop went in, features were ignored, game became centered around getting new players (dumbing down WoW) while trying to keep existing players happy.

Arguably it worked (more money), or it didn't work (many veterans quit), but since Activision took a seat on the bridge WoW saw for the first time a drop in subscribers. A trend that seems to carry on. 12M players is a thing of the past. The recent expansion saw a jump back to 10 mil accounts, but that won't last - and the number includes free account time, as part of Blizzards standards for calculating "subs".

So, Blizzard doesn't go around buying companies because they are a game company. Activision however will bleed you dry if you get too close. Vivendi (who owns both Blizzard and Activision now) is the head mistress, waiting for clean souls to walk through the door, so she can corrupt them..

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We are talking about daniel erickson leaving bioware.......he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted. He is starting fresh and new to make more money and EA wants to be cheap and not pay the guy more. I don't blame him.

Also Bioware doesn't exist anymore, the studio is filled with EA workers. They mine as well put everything with a EA logo only. They destroy every company they buy and ruin them and devourer them. Bioware is as good as dead. End of Discussion.

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We are talking about daniel erickson leaving bioware.......he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted. He is starting fresh and new to make more money and EA wants to be cheap and not pay the guy more. I don't blame him.

Also Bioware doesn't exist anymore, the studio is filled with EA workers. They mine as well put everything with a EA logo only. They destroy every company they buy and ruin them and devourer them. Bioware is as good as dead. End of Discussion.

This is fantasy. Erikson was fired because there was no more work for him to do at Swotor since there aren't going to be any more expansions and 'stories'. And the reason there will be no more expansions or 'stories' is because the development team, of which he was a senior, customer-facing executive, screwed up the world's surest bet: make an MMO using the SW IP off the back of Bioware's reputation and EA's money.

If Erickson is now saying 'Oh, I left because they wouldn't pay me the money I deserved' then he is as delusional as the time he told us 'Oh, no-one really wants a true flight sim because I don't remember Han and Chewey going about mining, do you?' (of course, this bald hipster douchebag forgot to mention that mining stations and mining ships were in fact crucial element of both Kotors, but that's beside the point). And if hs is ineed going around trying to peddle this bull, then it's symptomatic of his arrogance - and the stupidity he ascribes to us, the people he wanted to buy and play his game. Well, he's all gone, and we're still here.

No, Erickson is out of his ass - like Georg Zoeller who had to leave the industry to pursue 'new opportunities in the Philippines' or Ray Muzyka who is quitting games forever to devote his life to 'speciality beers'. Erickson, like them, has been canned and deservedly so. Any sofwtare or development or games company that ever picks him up is deliberately swallowing a poison pill.

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Originally posted by Jonoku

We are talking about daniel erickson leaving bioware.......he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted. He is starting fresh and new to make more money and EA wants to be cheap and not pay the guy more. I don't blame him.

Also Bioware doesn't exist anymore, the studio is filled with EA workers. They mine as well put everything with a EA logo only. They destroy every company they buy and ruin them and devourer them. Bioware is as good as dead. End of Discussion.

This is fantasy. Erikson was fired because there was no more work for him to do at Swotor since there aren't going to be any more expansions and 'stories'. And the reason there will be no more expansions or 'stories' is because the development team, of which he was a senior, customer-facing executive, screwed up the world's surest bet: make an MMO using the SW IP off the back of Bioware's reputation and EA's money.

If Erickson is now saying 'Oh, I left because they wouldn't pay me the money I deserved' then he is as delusional as the time he told us 'Oh, no-one really wants a true flight sim because I don't remember Han and Chewey going about mining, do you?' (of course, this bald hipster douchebag forgot to mention that mining stations and mining ships were in fact crucial element of both Kotors, but that's beside the point). And if hs is ineed going around trying to peddle this bull, then it's symptomatic of his arrogance - and the stupidity he ascribes to us, the people he wanted to buy and play his game. Well, he's all gone, and we're still here.

No, Erickson is out of his ass - like Georg Zoeller who had to leave the industry to pursue 'new opportunities in the Philippines' or Ray Muzyka who is quitting games forever to devote his life to 'speciality beers'. Erickson, like them, has been canned and deservedly so. Any sofwtare or development or games company that ever picks him up is deliberately swallowing a poison pill.

I disagree, EA is full of shit. Daniel did his part on the game, and he did well. Is he at fault for failing at the PvP part of the game? heck no, because he isn't the guy working on that part of the game, he worked on story. It isn't a fantasy that Daniel may say that, its a possibility. I would say its most likely the case and other reasons too.

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Originally posted by Jonoku

We are talking about daniel erickson leaving bioware.......he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted. He is starting fresh and new to make more money and EA wants to be cheap and not pay the guy more. I don't blame him.

Also Bioware doesn't exist anymore, the studio is filled with EA workers. They mine as well put everything with a EA logo only. They destroy every company they buy and ruin them and devourer them. Bioware is as good as dead. End of Discussion.

This is fantasy. Erikson was fired because there was no more work for him to do at Swotor since there aren't going to be any more expansions and 'stories'. And the reason there will be no more expansions or 'stories' is because the development team, of which he was a senior, customer-facing executive, screwed up the world's surest bet: make an MMO using the SW IP off the back of Bioware's reputation and EA's money.

If Erickson is now saying 'Oh, I left because they wouldn't pay me the money I deserved' then he is as delusional as the time he told us 'Oh, no-one really wants a true flight sim because I don't remember Han and Chewey going about mining, do you?' (of course, this bald hipster douchebag forgot to mention that mining stations and mining ships were in fact crucial element of both Kotors, but that's beside the point). And if hs is ineed going around trying to peddle this bull, then it's symptomatic of his arrogance - and the stupidity he ascribes to us, the people he wanted to buy and play his game. Well, he's all gone, and we're still here.

No, Erickson is out of his ass - like Georg Zoeller who had to leave the industry to pursue 'new opportunities in the Philippines' or Ray Muzyka who is quitting games forever to devote his life to 'speciality beers'. Erickson, like them, has been canned and deservedly so. Any sofwtare or development or games company that ever picks him up is deliberately swallowing a poison pill.

It cracks me up how fanboys see developers. Now while distributors can make crap call's like pushing for DLC and what not, the fact is, Bioware was going bankrupt, EA saved them, gave them a job for 5 more years before they failed with mass effect 3 and then finally put the nail in the coffin with SWTOR, most expensive mmo ever, unfortunately all that money went to b actors and not too content. And no matter how good a writer is(I'm not claiming erickson was a good writer), he cannot write a thousand stories and have them all be good, thats like asking Stephen King to write 20 top selling novels in a year.(hell even stephen king can screw up a story, what was the whole point behind the giant space turtle in IT?)

Bioware had as many flops, as they had hits, but fan's see only the great when trying to think irrationally on a forum, especially when they are trying to explain how EA is responsible for everything from TOR, to Global warming. They flopped harder than ever on their dream of what MMO's should be with TOR, and for that, they are getting canned faster than tuna. EA funded TOR with no constraints, they let them run rampant with no supervision and they got burnt. If anything I hate EA for not doing some market testing of mmo players, and hiring some outside blood to be involved with developement. I've never seen a poll about what should be in mmo's with Voice acting at the top of the list(or even included on the list of options), yet some how it was the fourth pillar that all mmo's where missing?

Funny thing is, every other mmo started to scramble to get voice acting on everything lol

BTW, I haven't seen anything on D Erickson claiming that they wouldn't pay him his money, I think that the poster of that fact is using made up facts to back his assumptions.

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We are talking about daniel erickson leaving bioware.......he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted. He is starting fresh and new to make more money and EA wants to be cheap and not pay the guy more. I don't blame him.

Also Bioware doesn't exist anymore, the studio is filled with EA workers. They mine as well put everything with a EA logo only. They destroy every company they buy and ruin them and devourer them. Bioware is as good as dead. End of Discussion.

Oh, I see^ maybe you should edit your post to reflect your "opinion of why he left" cause your post states it as fact. You can add a ...."maybe he left because EA didn't pay him the money he wanted."