Top Ten Quarterbacks in the League...

Numerous times in this debate 2008 has suggested that i would have considered charlie ward a better QB than roethlisberger because ward had better collge stats than roethlisberger had pro stats. He is saying that i have or would disregard the fact that both players are at a whole different level. That is completely dishonest.

Never never never in my entire 5 years of posting on this site have i said anything like that. Never have i said that QB A, over there at whatever college has better college stats than QB B for a certain nfl team therefore he must be better. Never, never never. If i thought that way troy smith would be in my top 10 list. Hell i didn't even put 1st year nfl starters in my list. 2008 made a claim that is absolutely false and made that false claim the centerpeace of 20 posts of worthless nothing.

Dishonest? I was using your logic (or your lack thereof) when making the analogy in the hope that you would see the error in your ways, but you were too proud to admit it. I don't care what you have said historically lol. That is what you've said in this thread, which, apparently, is exempt from your "history". Rofl.

Let's make this official so I can see exactly what part of it you disagree with, because so far, all you are doing is rambling and attacking me. I believe the following to be true:

In general, a qb's statistics are affected by

A: the talent of the offense including the quarterback's individual ability
B: the talent of the opposing defense

The objective ways to measure these, in turn are:

A: yards passing (and running) per game combined with the qb's TD:INT ratio and any rushing TD's he might have had
B: yards allowed per game

Exactly what part of this simplicity is tripping you up? I already backed it all up with stats (which you ignored). Tell me, how would you judge the qb's performance? W/L? That's retarded. I guess Warren Moon played a ****ty game when the Bills came back and beat him.

I compare stats many times on this thread alone, show me the college to pro comparison. I compared roethlisberger to mcnair in the post season and roethlisberger and mcnair vs baltimore. Where have i ever compared the stats of 2 guys in 2 different levels of play? I have never done that even one time on this thread or any other.

And why would i think moon played a bad game against buffalo in 92 i have defended his play several times on this board. The stats 2008 the stats. Moon threw for 370 yards with 4tds and 2ints. Based on my typical analysis i would think he played a good game.

It's your approach that suggests moon might have had a bad game. He threw 2 ints and lost to the 13th ranked defense. Based on everything you have said here he sucks because he lost to a lessor team.

I compare stats many times on this thread alone, show me the college to pro comparison. I compared roethlisberger to mcnair in the post season and roethlisberger and mcnair vs baltimore. Where have i ever compared the stats of 2 guys in 2 different levels of play? I have never done that even one time on this thread or any other.

And why would i think moon played a bad game against buffalo in 92 i have defended his play several times on this board. The stats 2008 the stats. Moon threw for 370 yards with 4tds and 2ints. Based on my typical analysis i would think he played a good game.

It's your approach that suggests moon might have had a bad game. He threw 2 ints and lost to the 13th ranked defense. Based on everything you have said here he sucks because he lost to a lessor team.

So, in other words, you refuse to address any points. Again. Rofl. This "debate" is over.

Have you made any? You mean the same lame crap over and over that a QBs play is effected by his team mate's abilities and the quality of the opposition? No kidding. So where do you go from there? What a waste of time.

I posted stats comparing 2 players for ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES. The stats are not a religion. the stats are not an end by themselves but simply an ILLUSTRATION. The subject was ben roethlisbger so i ran some stats of his to ILLUSTRATE that he played well in big games and had a significant role in his team's success. That's it and what we got was post after post of garbage and comments so extreme they have no relevance to anything and intellectual dishonesty.

I will say this no QB ever made the hall of fame by being a victim. Guys make the hall by winning championships and playing great not by performing average in difficult situations.

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