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So according to PC Gamer, they have a "source" who tells them NVIDIA will be readying it's newest Pascal chips for the mobile form factor and they will be released sometime in August/September of this year. In addition, the rumor is these new GPUs will not be cut down M variants but be full-fledged desktop GPUs crammed into high performance notebooks (e.g. MSI and Clevo) but just clocked lower to fit the TDP and power envelope. That shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone since NVIDIA crammed a 165W desktop 980 in notebooks last year and with GTX 1070 only sipping 150W and GTX 1080 at 180W, it makes sense to release these as soon as possible.
Despite what PC Gamer says, we may yet still see M variants with different names down the line as there are a lot of gamers out there that still want high performance chips but with thinner profiles and longer battery lives but that will probably come sometime after the 1080/1070 are released for notebooks. In addition, we've still got AMD's newest Polaris coming and with the 480 only consuming 150W, AMD could easily shoehorn that into a notebook just as NVIDIA is doing so we expect both companies to announce availability of their newest notebook graphics chips soon.
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With NVIDIA having now officially launched their next generation Pascal based GTX 1070 and 1080 GPUs, there are a number of AIB partner boards coming to the market soon. We have a video today by YouTuber Actually Hardcore Overclocking that examines different custom PCBs and helps break down the differences between the various boards and their power delivery designs. If you've read about additional power phases that will be available on AIB cards that are lacking in Founder's Edition but never quite knew what that meant, this video should help.
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Hello,
It seems that new Pascal gpus in mxm form factor no longer support Surround?
Any insight on why it has been disabled, or how to enable it?
980 desktop mxm supports mxm according to notebookcheck.
Thanks!

So according to PC Gamer, they have a "source" who tells them NVIDIA will be readying it's newest Pascal chips for the mobile form factor and they will be released sometime in August/September of this year. In addition, the rumor is these new GPUs will not be cut down M variants but be full-fledged desktop GPUs crammed into high performance notebooks (e.g. MSI and Clevo) but just clocked lower to fit the TDP and power envelope. That shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone since NVIDIA crammed a 165W desktop 980 in notebooks last year and with GTX 1070 only sipping 150W and GTX 1080 at 180W, it makes sense to release these as soon as possible.
Despite what PC Gamer says, we may yet still see M variants with different names down the line as there are a lot of gamers out there that still want high performance chips but with thinner profiles and longer battery lives but that will probably come sometime after the 1080/1070 are released for notebooks. In addition, we've still got AMD's newest Polaris coming and with the 480 only consuming 150W, AMD could easily shoehorn that into a notebook just as NVIDIA is doing so we expect both companies to announce availability of their newest notebook graphics chips soon.

NVIDIA announced it's newest Pascal based GTX 1060 today that is expected to go on sale July 19th for $250 and $300 for the Founder's Edition. The GTX 1060 will feature 1280 CUDA cores, 6 GB DDR5 memory with a boost clock of 1.7 GHz which NVIDIA claims can easily overclock to 2 GHz. In addition, NVIDIA claims the 1060 is on average 15% faster and over 75% more power efficient than the closest competitive product at stock speeds which would be the AMD RX 480.
The following is their PR release:
Media:

NVIDIA announced it's newest Pascal based GTX 1060 today that is expected to go on sale July 19th for $250 and $300 for the Founder's Edition. The GTX 1060 will feature 1280 CUDA cores, 6 GB DDR5 memory with a boost clock of 1.7 GHz which NVIDIA claims can easily overclock to 2 GHz. In addition, NVIDIA claims the 1060 is on average 15% faster and over 75% more power efficient than the closest competitive product at stock speeds which would be the AMD RX 480.
The following is their PR release:
Media:
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So guys, what's your thoughts on the new latest and greatest from Nvidia. According to benchmark results, posted by Nvidia on their official site and released at the conference, the GTX 1080 pulls more performance than SLI 980's. Pretty impressive, although keep in mind the benchmarks were done by Nvidia, so they could be fairly biased. Are you guys gonna buy it on release?

Come join us in discussing the future of MXM in gaming notebooks, especially if you are a recent Clevo owner. With the release of NVIDIA's new 10 series graphics cards, they have ushered in a new era where full desktop cores are ported to gaming notebooks. One would think we are living in a golden era of notebook gaming but that couldn't be further from the truth as these new Pascal graphics cards are no longer offered in MXM format by NVIDIA and instead it is left up to Clevo and other OEMs to design their own modules. Unfortunately, as of right now, these modules are proprietary and offer no backward compatibility with recent notebooks that used MXM modules like the 980. -Brian
Blaise Pascal
N17E-Gx 'MXM III' VERSIONS
CLEVO REFRESH MODELS
P870DM2/3(-G) aka 'PHOENIX 2.0'
P775DM2/3(-G) aka 'WINGMAN 2.0'
P75xDM2(-G) aka 'BATMAN 3.0'
P6xxRS/RP6(-G) aka 'WINGLING'
Join us in the ongoing discussion here and let us know what you think:

Well guys...so now we know... What are your thoughts and first initial impressions?
Do you foresee the new cooling design being able to cool the 1080 better than DTR's/Clevo's?
Are you going to be ditching your current AW to get the new one?
Will you be buying a different brand all together? Reason for the switch?
Are you willing to pay DTR prices for the new AW if it turns out that way? (AW 1070 pricing is now available)
Which screen option will you be opting for? FHD, QHD, or 4K?
Do you care for Tobii?
How long do you normally keep your laptop? ->
Do you normally upgrade every year with the latest refresh? -->
If so, is having LGA/MXM really practical for you?
Things that I like:
"...magnesium alloy for rigidity, copper for better performance and steel...."
".....overclockable DDR4 system memory capable of up to 2667 MHz overclockable DDR4 system memory capable of up to 2667 MHz....."
".... 17" QHD 120Hz display is designed to deliver the smoothest gaming experience with 4ms response time, wide viewing angles, 400 nits of brightness, and NVIDIA G-Sync technology...."
"....a thinner design, better ventilation, higher quality sound and external ports organization...."
".... larger and more effective speaker box has been installed, improving audio output for a clearer and more dramatic gaming experience....."
"....Avoid excess cables and embrace the “desktop mode” design, where most of your critical connections and ports are in the back and out of the way....."
"....We offer the maximum amount of battery power legally allowed with the 99 Whr battery– storing and delivering the most amount of power found in any notebook battery for longer uninterrupted game play....."
Don't forget the LED lighting that unlocks the BIOS and makes the AW hover for better ventilation.
On another note, this is one step in the right direction...it can breathe I take it...
What we know so far (stuff that we actually care about):
* New AW17 1080 will be 180W and GDDR5X https://www.twitch.tv/alienware/v/87746534
(Thanks @DeeX for the heads up. Also confirmed from the horses mouth himself, Azor.)
@ 4:46:26 …mentions 180W
@ 4:49:33 ...worth watching it from here, lol...
@ 4:50:10 ...takes a crack at Clevo...I love DTR's, but what he says is true. No heart behind Clevo's design, just a bunch of rebranded, rebrands.
* Full on Copper heat sinks and heat pipes.
* Back of display is metal.
* Bottom of laptop is metal, anodized aluminum.
* Laptop is very rigid. Watch them try bending it...it's solid as a rock. Lots of metal.
* Keys on the keyboard are guaranteed and rated at 10 Million strokes.
* Keys have a longer 2.2mm travel length.
* N Key roll over technology. Able to register multiple keystrokes.
* 19 Total Macro Keys. More added near the Num pad side on the 17".
* The back plate of keyboard is steel enforced, all metal.
* Bottom and Side air intakes.
* Designed to keep the heat toward the rear and away from the front areas, keyboard / palm rest.
____________________________UPDATE (9/14/16)____________________________
Well guys: Click here
Here are some early pricing (out) comparisons. I've been playing around with different configurations to get an idea of what we can expect for the overall pricing. I've noticed that it is a bit more ala carte in a way...well kinda... Note: It's possible that my numbers are off and if it is then I'll update it, but please do go price it yourself if you have a moment... Couple things I've noticed:
* There is an option to get a display unit without Tobii. Thank goodness. I wonder if this is true for the up coming QHD panel?
* The price for the 4K UHD w/ Frobii is outrageous. +$400?! Sheesh... Hope they offer 4K without Frobii.
____________________________UPDATE (9/23/16)____________________________
www.Alienware.com is now LIVE with pricing of the new machines, but only up to GTX 1070 configurations.
--- Early Comparisons of an Alienware 17R4 (GTX 1070) vs Clevo P775DM3 (GTX1070):
(Blue = Better / Red = Falls Short / Grey = Equal)
------------------------------------------- Clevo P775DM3 / Fager NP9172-S * i7-6700K
* 1080 FHD w/ GSYNC * GTX 1070 * 16GB RAM DDR4 2400MHz
* 256GB M.2 SSD
* Killer 1535 * 2 Year Warranty …$2,114…NO TAX
w/ GTX 1080: $2,502 Options:
* 4K UHD w/ GSYNC is +$275
________________________________ Alienware 17R4: * i7-6820HK
* 1080 FHD w/o GSYNC * GTX 1070 * 16GB DDR4 2400MHz
* 256GB M.2 SSD + 1TB Paper Weight
* Killer 1525 * 2 Year Warranty $2,474 + PLUS TAX $198 (Avg. 8%) = ...$2,672... Options:
* 4K UHD w/ Fobii Eye Tracking is +$400
________________________________ Reality in terms of value to cost ratio:
* 6700K (socketed lga) > 6820HK (mobile bga)
* GTX 1080 for only $275 more on the DTR. How much more will GTX1080 be on the AW?
* 1080FHD has GSYNC on DTR
* Can paying $558 More for AW17R4 be justified?
________________________________ Current thoughts at this time and moment:
Well to be honest, as for the pricing it doesn't look good if the numbers on the pricing page is anywhere near accurate. There's no way that I can justify paying ~$558 more at this point, however, that can change depending on the GTX 1080 and QHD variant. It's too early to tell.
I'd like to also add that the 2 Year Warranty for Dell is "Blue," because it is far superior than Clevo's 2 Year Warranty. This is a fact (at least if you're in the US), so please let's not argue about this.
As I've said before, "Do not pay DTR prices for a bga machine." This is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but please do the math and make a wise decision that best fits you and your needs.
Notice that the comparison is between the AW17R4 vs the Clevo P775DM3, which is not the bulky DTR, but the more slimmer and (IMO) cleaner looking one.
What are your thoughts?

You know, I really hate myself, I do. I swore to myself this time, "don't fall for NVIDIAs shit, you can resist the temptation of Titan X". So I held out, bought a 1080 thinking "ok I got this!". What helped even more was it was constantly out of stock on their website. So tonight I just check it for shits and giggles and what do you know, it's in stock. My finger starts twitching and I'm thinking, "oh fuck no you aren't!" and the next thing I know, I'm at the checkout process w/next day shipping. God damn you NVIDIA! I know in a few months I'll look back on this post and think, "damn I'm an idiot" but what the hell.
Update a day later (today):
It arrived this afternoon and it's definitely an impressive card. My biggest gripe is I have to set the fan to 90% when its boosting to 2 ghz in order to keep it from going above 80c. Since I game with headphones on, that's not a big deal for me. In overwatch with the gtx 1080 @ 2.05 ghz and 1440p max settings I wasn't able to get above 90-95 fps. This card stays in the 130-144 fps range which is perfect for my display.
Pics: https://m.imgur.com/a/y58A5

Hi there! As Afterburner 4.3 beta 14 gives access to the voltage curves, I plaed around some and found out that one can undervolt the GPU with some success.
After locking my GPU clock on 1709 mhz @ 800mV and the RAM clock on 4498 mhz I was able to run the Witcher 3 with the same framerate (73.5 FPS 1080p ultra without Hairworks) as under standard voltage - anyhow my notebook was consuming about 15-17 watt less (152 instead of 168). With G-Sync enabled (one might as well say with FPS locked to 60) the result is even mor drastic, as the GPU won`t clock up as the load decreases in light weigth scenes. I could reduce the power consumption about 20-30 watt (128 instead of 156), depending on the GPU load.
Perhaps some of you guys care to post their results, and perhaps are able to answer one question: I thought with GPU clock locked to 1709 an RAM to 4498 I thought I`d surpass the standard settings in regard to the FPS - still this is not the case. I know this has to do with th undervolting, but still...
Best regards
phila

Dear Respected Members,
I want your advice please:
Upgrading my Clevo P570WM from GTX 880m SLI to GTX 980m SLI (=$2000)
or the new GTX 1070/1080 if applicable? I need to verify if it will support one or 2 of them in SLI??
or Get a new Clevo P870 or Eurocom Sky 9XE Unlocked with the 980m's SLI (=$3500)? and then I have to sell my old Beast
and if your advice is to go for the new system, what is the best choice?:
1- GTX 980m SLI
2- GTX 980 Desktop
3- Just wait for the GTX 980 Desktop SLI?
4- GTX 1070/1080 if applicable
5- Something else
Best Regards.

So guys, what's your thoughts on the new latest and greatest from Nvidia. According to benchmark results, posted by Nvidia on their official site and released at the conference, the GTX 1070 pulls slightly ahead of the Titan X, which is a pretty good feat. considering that it costs $359, will you guys be settling for this or the 1080?

Hi with the new Nvidia Pascal 1080 and 1070 Notebook chips coming very soon I am very excited to see benchmarks and have all the information.
However I have ONE question about these new chips and I am sure that I am not the only one curious about this.
Since Nvidia has confirmed that from now on we will not get "M" versions of the cards I am wondering if this means that standard format MXM format is going to be a thing of the past soon ?
In other words I would like to know if the 1080 and 1070 (Notebook) are going to have a standard MXM format or an extra large format like the 980 (Notebook)
If anyone here has any information about this even if it is unconfirmed rumors I would like to hear it.
Having a Clevo P750DM-G I can always use a graphics amplifier plugged into the thunderbolt port but I would love to be able to upgrade my 980m to pascal at some point.
I know this might be a bit to early to have any information about the chips but I am really curious about this.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Cheers.

NVIDIA has officially lifted the NDA for the GTX 1070 which will be priced at $379 for the non-reference I mean non-Founders Edition card and $449 for the Founders Edition. Starting June 10th, we should see Founders Edition cards hit the market first which will then be followed by custom AIB cards that will vary in price anywhere from $380 to $450+. The GTX 1070 has a 256 bit bus like it's bigger sibling the 1080 but has 8 GB GDDR5 ram clocked at 8 GHz giving it less bandwidth than the 1080. In addition, the GTX 1070 has been gutted by NVIDIA and is left with 15 SM (streaming processors) and 1920 CUDA cores. It also features 120 TMU (texture mapping units) and 64 ROPs (render output unit/raster operations pipeline) with a peak fillrate of approximately 202 Gigatexels/sec.
Comparison of GTX 1080/1070/980 Ti
GPU
GTX 1080
GTX 1070
GTX 980 Ti
GPU architecture
Pascal
Pascal
Maxwell
Node
16 nm
16 nm
28 nm
Transistor Count
7.2 billion
7.2 billion
8 billion
Core Frequency
1607-1733 MHz
1506-1683 MHz
1000-1076 MHz
Memory Frequency
10 Gbps
8 Gbps
7 Gbps
Memory Type
GDDR5x
GDDR5
GDDR5
Memory Bus
256 bit
256 bit
384 bit
Memory Size
8 GB
8 GB
6 GB
ROPs
64
64
96
Shaders
2560
1920
2816
GFLOPS
8,873
6,463
6,060
Texture Units
160
120
176
Texel Fill Rate
277.3 GigaTexels/sec
201.9 GigaTexels/sec
176 GigaTexels/sec
TDP
180W
202W
250W
External Power
8 pin
8 pin
8 + 6 pin
Like the GTX 1080, the 1070 starts at a fairly high base clock of 1506 MHz with boost speeds of 1683 MHz and utilizes NVIDIA's newest Boost 3.0 technology. The cooling unit is pretty much the same between the 1080 FE and 1070 FE that features the new polygonal shaped shroud and fan blower. Like the 1080 FE, the 1070 FE comes with a backplate which theoretically helps keep components cooler. The power delivery system of the 1070 has been cut down a bit more compared to the 1080 and is equipped with a 4-phase dual-FET design.
NVIDIA has stated that the GTX 1070 is as fast as a Titan X in most cases which means it should match or exceed a base 980 Ti in nearly ever metric. Based on the reviews below, it seems NVIDIA was right on the mark.
Here is a round-up in no particular order of current 1070 reviews:
Linus TechTips:
Gamer's Nexus:
Hard|OCP: http://hardocp.com/article/2016/05/29/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_founders_edition_preview/#.V0uByfkrIuU
TechSpot: http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/
PCPer: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-1070-8GB-Founders-Edition-Review
Hexus: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/93050-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-16nm-pascal/
SWECLOCKERS: http://www.sweclockers.com/test/22153-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/10#content
Hardware Canucks: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/72689-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review.html
Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567.html
GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review/1100-6440307/

NVIDIA has officially lifted the NDA for the GTX 1070 which will be priced at $379 for the non-reference I mean non-Founders Edition card and $449 for the Founders Edition. Starting June 10th, we should see Founders Edition cards hit the market first which will then be followed by custom AIB cards that will vary in price anywhere from $380 to $450+. The GTX 1070 has a 256 bit bus like it's bigger sibling the 1080 but has 8 GB GDDR5 ram clocked at 8 GHz giving it less bandwidth than the 1080. In addition, the GTX 1070 has been gutted by NVIDIA and is left with 15 SM (streaming processors) and 1920 CUDA cores. It also features 120 TMU (texture mapping units) and 64 ROPs (render output unit/raster operations pipeline) with a peak fillrate of approximately 202 Gigatexels/sec.
Comparison of GTX 1080/1070/980 Ti
GPU
GTX 1080
GTX 1070
GTX 980 Ti
GPU architecture
Pascal
Pascal
Maxwell
Node
16 nm
16 nm
28 nm
Transistor Count
7.2 billion
7.2 billion
8 billion
Core Frequency
1607-1733 MHz
1506-1683 MHz
1000-1076 MHz
Memory Frequency
10 Gbps
8 Gbps
7 Gbps
Memory Type
GDDR5x
GDDR5
GDDR5
Memory Bus
256 bit
256 bit
384 bit
Memory Size
8 GB
8 GB
6 GB
ROPs
64
64
96
Shaders
2560
1920
2816
GFLOPS
8,873
6,463
6,060
Texture Units
160
120
176
Texel Fill Rate
277.3 GigaTexels/sec
201.9 GigaTexels/sec
176 GigaTexels/sec
TDP
180W
202W
250W
External Power
8 pin
8 pin
8 + 6 pin
Like the GTX 1080, the 1070 starts at a fairly high base clock of 1506 MHz with boost speeds of 1683 MHz and utilizes NVIDIA's newest Boost 3.0 technology. The cooling unit is pretty much the same between the 1080 FE and 1070 FE that features the new polygonal shaped shroud and fan blower. Like the 1080 FE, the 1070 FE comes with a backplate which theoretically helps keep components cooler. The power delivery system of the 1070 has been cut down a bit more compared to the 1080 and is equipped with a 4-phase dual-FET design.
NVIDIA has stated that the GTX 1070 is as fast as a Titan X in most cases which means it should match or exceed a base 980 Ti in nearly ever metric. Based on the reviews below, it seems NVIDIA was right on the mark.
Here is a round-up in no particular order of current 1070 reviews:
Linus TechTips:
Gamer's Nexus:
Hard|OCP: http://hardocp.com/article/2016/05/29/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_founders_edition_preview/#.V0uByfkrIuU
TechSpot: http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/
PCPer: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-1070-8GB-Founders-Edition-Review
Hexus: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/93050-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-16nm-pascal/
SWECLOCKERS: http://www.sweclockers.com/test/22153-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/10#content
Hardware Canucks: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/72689-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review.html
Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,review-33567.html
GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review/1100-6440307/
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NVIDIA's Pascal is on it's way and should be available sometime in June based on current leaks. One of the first GPUs may be a full GDDR5x GP104 based GeForce 1080 GPU and we will almost assuredly have mobile variants shortly thereafter. AMD hasn't given us nearly as much information on Polaris except their performance/watt demo a few months ago but we're fairly certain it is priming for release as well.
With the new generation of GPUs quickly approaching, do you plan to upgrade to either of them upon release? Why or why not?

With NVIDIA having now officially launched their next generation Pascal based GTX 1070 and 1080 GPUs, there are a number of AIB partner boards coming to the market soon. We have a video today by YouTuber Actually Hardcore Overclocking that examines different custom PCBs and helps break down the differences between the various boards and their power delivery designs. If you've read about additional power phases that will be available on AIB cards that are lacking in Founder's Edition but never quite knew what that meant, this video should help.

NVIDIA's Pascal is on it's way and should be available sometime in June based on current leaks. One of the first GPUs may be a full GDDR5x GP104 based GeForce 1080 GPU and we will almost assuredly have mobile variants shortly thereafter. AMD hasn't given us nearly as much information on Polaris except their performance/watt demo a few months ago but we're fairly certain it is priming for release as well.
With the new generation of GPUs quickly approaching, do you plan to upgrade to either of them upon release? Why or why not?
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