The UK has voted to leave the European Union, confounding the polls, the "experts" and the British establishment in the biggest turnout for a vote here in 24 years. Prime Minister David Cameron announced his resignation at 8:30am this morning.
The count stands at 51.9 per cent Leave, and 48.1 per cent remain – and more than a …

He is financing one way or another some of that across Europe in a tit-for-tat response for Ukraine and the sanctions. While his fingerprints are not on the money trail leading to Farage and Co (still, one wonders why Farage refuses to publish his tax return), he has given a 26M load to Le Pen as well as quite a few handouts to other "interesting suspects".

"If a racist like Farage is happy about it as well then you know you're in real trouble."

Are you another idiot who can't tell the difference between race and nationality?

No, however unless discussing technical details it's usually best to communicate in commonly understood or used language, even if it's misused.

So how would you define a "race"? :) [honest question] A set of people sharing a similar average skin tone, a set of people where the genetic similarity is over a certain percentage from another arbitrary set of people, a group of genetically varied individuals who happen to believe in the same invisisible friends or those through luck or circumstance happened to be born within the same, often rather arbitrary, geographic area of the same planet (or where their parents or other ancestors were born there)?

Farage = Huguenot vs.DNA

"Farage... ...surname is French Huguenot and so the vast likelihood is that he's a descendant of migrants from France."

DNA testing often reveals that family trees have branched off in unexpected directions. Although his surname is Huguenot, he's just as likely to have undocumented Polish plumbers, gypsies, and lizard people in his actual, biological, ancestral lineage.

Farage is married to a German woman, he knows the difference between racism and nationalism. Do you know the difference between UKIP and the National Front? The trick has been to propagandize against UKIP as though its the National Front, and you seem to have fallen for that.

"Put Britain First" is not a terrorist cry. It's the majority view of UK.

"Many Christians object to Muslims saying "god is great" but are quite happy to say hallelujah which effectively means the same thing (and even refers to the exact same God)."

Wrong on ALL counts. Allahu akbar means "God is greater" not God is great. Meaning to Islam that Allah is greater than any other god.

"Hallelujah" is from the Hebrew word Hallel and is used to express praise or joy, the Greek form is Alleluia.

Allah is NOT the same God of Christians, The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is: But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30.

In the Catholic and Christian faiths God cannot be deceived nor does he deceive. "We believe 'because of the authority of God himself who reveals them, who can neither deceive nor be deceived'" (Catechism of the Catholic Church #156) The Muslim god Allah is NOT the same as the Christian God.

Just like certain people refuse to admit that the current government in London was very deliberately elected by the majority of voters in the majority of electorates those with inflated opinions on their intelligence and personal value will not accept that the same applies to this referendum.

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It couldn't be that people just had issues with EU in general or thought that the on-going economic crisis in Southern Europe is an unacceptable situation of which the EU holds a significant amount of blame on. Nope... Racism.

It couldn't be that people think the EU interfers too much in the UK and what UK gives up for EU membership just ain't worthwhile.... Nope, Racism.

It couldn't be that people believe that immigration needs sensible control of which the EU obliterates... placing intense strain on established services and allowing foreign criminals and benefit cheats into the country...... oh sure, cas it's just Racism.

It has been clear this entire debate where the majority of the bigotry has come from and that is actually the Remain side whom ad hominem the leave side by calling the entire thing racist and not wanting to actually engage in logical and sensible debate.

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Bigotry exists on both sides if you ask me. Yes there are bigots and racists in the leave camp. But to tar just over half the population that way...seriously?

At no point did I suggest that all Leave voters were either racists or bigots.

However you cannot deny that a significant portion of the country voted to Leave based purely on the Immigration issue, and the completely false premise that "we can control our own borders now" as I heard quoted on the radio this morning.

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The trouble is, other than the helots turning up each day to clean the swimming pool and vacuum the house, there weren't that many people with funny accents in Hampstead or Kensington, but in other parts of the country the local culture has changed utterly without the consent of the people who used to live there.

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What it is come to is a large percentage of the country are not necessarily racists, but idiots who bought the lies that the Leave campaigners unashamedly spun.

Leaving the EU will not address any of the challenges facing the UK, and the rest of Europe, in the 21st century. It will just make all of us the weaker in tackling them.

But people believed it when they were told that leaving the EU would protect us from an imminent invasion of millions of Turks, and put £350m a week into the NHS. Both of these were unapologetic lies that they are already started back pedalling on.

And guess what? Those funny accented people that you have been fooled into thinking are the source of your woes? They're not going back to where they came from. So if that is what you voted for, you've been a mug. They've now got jobs and are a part of the economy that this vote has done its best to cripple. No-one is going to force them to leave, any more than the millions of UK citizens in Europe are going to be forced back home.

And if you trust the likes of Boris or, god help us, Farage, to set up a fair society with the same progressive regulations the EU has spent decades creating, you're an even bigger mug.

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Three months ago I said:

There are positive arguments for staying as part of the EU but I've yet to hear anyone make them. "No Tracy, don't leave. Stay and make a go of it or he'll cut up rough." isn't the winning argument you all seem to think it is. In fact from what I've seen it's flat out counter-productive.

After watching the campaign and the aftermath I think I can add: If you want to convince people of your ideas don't talk about them as though they are the shit on your shoe.

"on-going economic crisis in Southern Europe"

Just it's not EU to have created it. The blame is on a string of corrupt, inefficient, greedy *local* governments that created it breaking the EU rules (i.e. debt control) while altering the evidences. *Local* government elected by citizens who just wanted to suck more money out of their privileges, subsidies, and corruption. Out of the taxes from of honest, hard working people, better if those from abroad, who can't vote for the *local* government. The EU acted to stop that. It did some mistakes (i.e. too high interests on leases), sure.

Italy has more 10,000 state/region/town -controlled companies. A large percentage of them with more high-paid administrators and executives than employees. Most of them in the red, requiring tax payers money to survive - money that can't be used for investments to get past the crisis.

But nobody wants to close them, because they are a huge reserve where politicians can find highly paid, cozy jobs for friends and relatives. And that's just an example.

Of course, it's the EU to blame. Listen to those politicians who wants to maintain the status quo because it's from it they get the most advantages. The EU is asking them to renounce to their unethical, if not illegal, privileges, and they will fight to "death" to avoid it. Having to find a job to earn money? Are you mad?

Southern Europe - I live in Italy - won't be saved by more money spent or lax rules - they will just be funneled and used by corrupt governments into buying more short-term electoral consensus to maintain their extremely high paid seats (if you believe eurocrats are paid too much, look at those in Italy....) - leaving the root issues exactly as before.

The four bank who went bankrupt in Italy, and the other two the barely escaped it (zeroing their share values, meanwhile), are a perfect example of extremely bad *local* management too often colluded with *local* politicians.

Thereby, yes, believing EU is to be blamed for what It didn't, it's a form of racism. It's bad just because it's the EU.

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@R3sistance

"It couldn't be that people just had issues with EU in general or thought that the on-going economic crisis in Southern Europe is an unacceptable situation of which the EU holds a significant amount of blame on. "

No, seriously.

Move to somewhere out of your normal comfort zone and you will see. I have done so twice.

For 3 years I lived on a council estate with available housing as nobody wanted to move there, resident's burnt the fences to keep warm (when they didn't burn boots & shoes, yes really, suprising what people talk about while waiting for the bus). From there I moved to traditional manual labour working class city with a decimated tranditional industry. I still live in the second place and stayed because everyone was so frendly, however, I'm white, I would have gone home after the 6 months I needed to the there if I wasn't.

Before you accuse me of being middle class or elitest and not knowing poverty, put down your stones, let the man who has needed declared himself destitute for a £20 cash handout cast the first stone. I don't blame the people I live with, I blame the, so called, leaders. They are scum that later litter our lives to benefit their advantage, who else would persuade the poor to blame those who are poorer still.

The leave campaign have stirred this up to suit their own agenda, it won't stop here.

I actually saw people in my polling station with pens in hand! FFS, as if an organisation with a vote changing agenda would rub out individual votes! There are far more than a small percentage of gullible and racists, they are all Leave needed to brainwash.

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"However you cannot deny that a significant portion of the country voted to Leave based purely on the Immigration issue, and the completely false premise that "we can control our own borders now" as I heard quoted on the radio this morning."

There may be an element of that, however, do the results back that up?

Given the results, I would suggest that areas of the country that haven't felt the benefits of "the economy" over the last two/three terms of government and are used to local companies making statements about the need for X or Y before closing a local factory are a little jaded by the remain campaign.

The turnout alone vs general elections suggested people cared about the result because they thought it would make a difference which begs the question why?

If this is framed purely as an immigration issue and the economic/establishment issues are ignored, then the UK is in for troubled times indeed

The thing that happened ...

is that a democratic country had a democratic election on a clearly defined topic. I am not happy about the result, but I think the election result and those who voted deserve respect.

Now there'll be the British experiment outside of the EU. It'll be interesting to see how a major European country will do on its own without oodles of oil money (the Norwegian way), oodles of banking money (the Swiss way), or a fishing-based economy (the Iceland way). Everybody in the EU will break out the popcorn to watch. And no, you British folks cannot have a handful, you don't belong anymore.

Now, concerning that Wembley goal, let's just clarify once and for all that is was a tragic referee error. You'd have deserved to win that game fair and square, how sad that it didn't turn out that way....