(More) Power to the People: Ford's New 662-HP Beast Reclaims the High Ground, Posts 11.6-Second Quarter

The great Pony Car War has been raging longer than many of us have been alive, with countless skirmishes between Chevrolet and Ford over the last 40-plus years. The latest battle began with the arrival of Chevy's new 580-hp Camaro ZL1. But Ford has quickly regained the high ground with its all-new 2013 Ford Shelby GT500. Boasting 662 horsepower and 631 lb-ft of torque, the GT500 is the most powerful production car made in America and a fitting tribute to the late Carroll Shelby -- one of the leading generals in Ford's decades-long war against Chevy.

For our first official drive of the 2013 GT500, we headed to Atlanta, where we sampled the latest super 'Stang at the track and out on the open road. Rolling along on the highway, the GT500's extra horsepower and torque isn't as noticeable as you might think. For instance, in top gear at around 80 mph, turning roughly 1500 rpm, it's a complete pussycat, with minimal engine and exhaust noise. No, it's the getting to 80 that's the fun part. Hammer it from a stop and the rush of 631 lb-ft engulfs your body, pinning your head and torso to the optional $1595 Recaro bucket as the GT500 blasts from 0-60 mph in a scant 3.5 seconds, on toward a quarter-mile time of 11.6 seconds at 125.7 mph. For context, the previous GT500, which put out a relatively pedestrian 550 hp and 510 lb-ft, needed 4.1 seconds to reach 60 and 12.4 seconds at 115.8 mph to eclipse the quarter, while the aforementioned ZL1 required 3.8 and 12.1 @ 117.4, respectively. Big power equals big improvements for the GT500. But beware of that big power: get too overzealous with the throttle, and the tires will quickly resemble burnt toast. Luckily, the new GT500's obscene power is absolutely controllable.

So how do you control 662 horses? Launch control. First seen on the Boss 302, the new launch control system in the GT500 has been upgraded with RPM hold, a feature intended for the more advanced drag racer. Set the desired RPM via the track app screen, flat-foot the throttle, quickly lift off the clutch -- but don't dump or sidestep - and the system slips the clutch and feeds power in relation to the traction available. You can turn on the launch control at any time by pushing the button on the dash, but it is only active once the vehicle is up to operating temperature. During testing, full launch control with traction intervention provided the fastest and most repeatable runs. The test team was wary of getting enough traction (a reasonable concern when you have 662 horsepower), but the new system allowed for easy launches: simply dial in the revs, release the clutch, and hold on.One trait we noticed during the drive was that the clutch is much stiffer than in cooking-grade Mustangs, but not difficult to operate. Upgraded to handle the increased torque, the clutch is 10 mm larger than that in the 2012 GT500, with stronger springs and higher-performance friction material. Further, the clutch housing has been strengthened and there's a 33-percent increase in the clutch clamp. Ford also made the engagement point higher on the clutch pedal uptake and revised the shifter of the Tremec 6-speed manual. Roughly the same as that in the 2012 GT500, but with every component improved, the tweaked Tremec boasts stronger gears and an output shaft with a new 40-tooth setup. As a result, some of the shifter's notchiness is gone, which makes it easier to get in and out of gear, but you still can't rush it. The GT500 now also comes with a one-piece carbon fiber driveshaft. Another key to cracking the 200-mph barrier, according to Ford, the driveshaft is 14 pounds lighter, helping reduce rotational inertia, noise, and vibration, while increasing durability.

Since our drive consisted of smooth highway miles for most of the way, we didn't get much of a chance to truly experience the differences between the car's comfort and sport suspension settings. All-new Bilstein electronically adjustable dampers, part of the $3495 SVT Performance Package, are adjustable front and rear, and can be set to normal or sport with the simple push of a button. Normal provides a smooth and comfortable highway ride while sport is specifically tuned for race-track use or a Sunday drive on a favorite canyon road. Not surprising, over the few seams and road irregularities we did encounter, the softer setting seemed to absorb the imperfections, while sport relayed every nook and cranny. It doesn't rattle your teeth but it feels noticeably firmer. New 19-inch front/20-inch rear forged wheels were also deemed necessary in order to help handle the GT500's higher performance capabilities. Nodules protruding from the wheels' bead surfaces embed in the tires (still Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G:2) to help prevent the tire from slipping on the rim under hard acceleration and braking.The track was where we really got to experience how the new GT500 differs from the previous car. Whereas the old car tended to exhibit front-end push, the 2013 displays crisper turn-in, the front Goodyears really biting into the asphalt and responding quickly to steering inputs, allowing you to be more aggressive with the throttle application mid-corner. In comfort mode there's a hint of body roll, but in sport the car stays nice and flat. With all that extra power and torque, it's easy to kick the rear end out, but -- unlike the old car -- when you get the rear loose in the 2013 GT500, its slide is progressive. The last-gen car would start to go, then suddenly it was gone. The 2013 is far more predictable, so it's easier to modulate exactly how far you want to swing the rear out.During our figure-eight testing, the GT500 posted an impressive 24.2 sec @ 0.80 g result, managing an equally impressive 0.98 g (avg) lateral acceleration. Even better: comparing the new Shelby to its predecessor, testing director Kim Reynolds declared it, "simply a much easier car to drive." Part of the improvement is attributable to the Torsen differential -- another piece of the SVT Performance Package - that provides a full-time torque-sensing system to help optimize traction and handling. Still, the old car, while more of a handful, was no slouch, edging its successor with a figure-eight time of 24.0 sec @ 0.82 g and maximum lateral acceleration of 1.01 g (avg).

"You do have to countersteer a fair amount at times, but it isn't excessive and you can easily stay ahead of the tail; it's never snapping so quickly that your arms have to race to catch it," Reynolds added. "That said, you do need to respect the power here; you absolutely cannot just slam down the pedal exiting a corner. It has to be fed in."In order to achieve the GT500's monumental performance increase, Ford first upped the engine displacement from 5.4 liters to 5.8 liters. Since the cylinder walls were thinner, Ford deployed its plasma-transferred wire arc cylinder-liner coating technology, replacing the old cast-iron-sleeve design. The liners improve performance and durability while also reducing friction and lowering heat transfer. The cylinder heads have been cross-drilled into the engine block, adding 3 mm coolant passages. Oil-squirters have been aimed at the underside of the piston to help keep heat in check. Ford extensively reworked the rest of the cooling system of the GT500 in order to further beat the heat. All GT500's have a charge air cooler with its own separate heat exchanger fed by a separate coolant pump. If you opt for the $2995 SVT Track Package, you also get an axle-cooler and pump, a transmission cooler, and an external engine-oil-to-air cooler.The engine internals of the 2013 GT500's 5.8-liter have all been redesigned or modified. A cast aluminum oil pan allows for complex shapes and now holds 8.5 quarts. The windage tray/pan gasket keeps windage below 5 percent, even at high RPM. The new forged-steel crankshaft was developed in an effort to handle the extra strain on the low end. A bigger engine needs more fuel, so the injectors have been increased from 47 lb/hour to 55 lb/hour. To deliver all that juice, two 5.0-liter Mustang pumps were added, capable of pumping 79 gallons per hour. Force feeding the new 5.8-liter is a new Eaton 2.3L Roots-type supercharger that has an increased displacement over the 5.4-liter and uses a smaller pulley at 69 mm compared to 72 mm.

To help achieve the lofty 200-mph top-speed goal Ford set for the new GT500, significant modifications had to be made to the car's front end. Every opening has been modified or enlarged to minimize drag, maximize downforce, and improve cooling. The most noticeable changes are the new front splitter and downforce-generating front grilles. Ford says the changes have resulted in a 14-percent reduction in drag and a 66-percent increase in front-end downforce -- essential to getting the GT500 to its claimed 200-mph Vmax, which engineers had personally promised Carroll Shelby they would deliver.To be an all around performance vehicle, the GT500 has to stop as well as it accelerates, and it more than gets the job done, erasing 60 mph in just 101 feet (the previous GT500 needed 104 feet, the ZL1 needed 108 feet). The test team did report that the brakes started to smell after several hard stops, but they did not feel any noticeable fade. Ticking the Performance Package box gets you a larger front stabilizer bar (34.6 mm -- an increase of 1.4 mm), which helps keep the GT500 flatter, minimizing body roll during cornering. The front brakes have massive 15-inch vented Brembo rotors and 6-piston Brembo aluminum front calipers with high-performance friction pads. The rear brakes are 13.8-inches (2-inches larger than a Mustang GT's) with single-piston calipers. New front-brake dustshields help protect parts from heat while providing maximum cooling airflow.Even with all this newfound power, the 2013 GT500 is more livable and user friendly than it ever was before. Ford has improved its monster Mustang in every way possible -- better handling, more technology , increased power, and even a 1-mpg improvement in highway fuel economy (avoiding the gas-guzzler tax). This truly is the most potent factory pony car the Blue Oval has ever produced. Savor it while you can because this is likely the last major change we will see to the GT500 before the next-generation Mustang debuts with an independent rear suspension. Will that car make 700 hp? If it's still wearing the Shelby name, you can bet the answer will be a resounding yes.

Sorry I meant the magnetic ride control does not overcome the lead weight in that camaro or Rhinoceros/Hippopotamus! It just does'nt, someone will redo the a head to head race on either the real Nuremburging "the Ring" and/or actually they have a version proposed for the US in Nevada! so you can watch your car/tank get beat by the Mustang all over AGAIN! http://www.gizmag.com/nurburgring-replica-las-vegas/21801/

@will I don't have to share the article with you. It was posted and that's all the matters. Ford did testing of the 2013 Mustang GT500 late last year and it "EASILY" wiped out the Camaro ZL1's time by a large margin ... approximately 20 second that's big!!!!!..... sure 7:41 is the best the camaro ZL1 can do. But its not even close to the Mustang Lap Time at nurburgring/green hell. So you can mention and laud magnetic ride control all you want it does overcome the weight issue in the camaro and that "Elephant" gets Beat Badly!

@Ford You would be wise to take your own advice (and shut your mouth). If the Bilstien are better, why does Ferrari come to see GM for a set of Magnetics for their top tier cars? Makes you think GM might be on to something... Please say Ferrari is crap too. This will only strengthen your argument!!! And I've just spent 30 minutes looking for a GT500 lap time so PLEASE share that link or just shut up!!!

@Ford You would be wise to take your own advice (and shut your mouth). If the Bilstien are better, why does Ferrari come to see GM for a set of Magnetics for their top tier cars? Makes you think GM might be on to something... Please say Ferrari is crap too. This will only strengthen your argument!!! And I've just spent 30 minutes looking for a GT500 lap time so PLEASE share that link or just shut up!!!

@GM ahhh no sir camaro does'nt handle better than the Mustang GT500 . The Mustang GT500 times are alot faster ( if you paid close attention to testing around the Ring nurburgring you would already know!). the Mustang handily beat the living crap out of the camaro zl1's time of 7:41 which is alot slower in comparison!@will ahh sir. don't even think your camaro is magnetic ride control is superior to the Mustang GT500's All-new Bilstein electronically adjustable dampers. Plus your camaro only goes 174mph and the Mustang 202 MPH! so no worries mate next generation of Mustang will have all that plus reduced weight and more! And your going to find out your magnetic ride control system won't trump the Bilstein electronically adjustable dampers in the new 2015 Mustang either! Also, Mustang GT 500 is a 2+2 sports car weighs 3871 vs the 2 seat corvette zr1 that weights 3353, and even with a 518 lbs advantage the Mustang absolutely "EMBARRASSES" corvette zr1 owners because its just as fast!

just checked insideline and they have the first comparo up and it looks as though the zl1 out handled the gt500 by a large margin.IL said the zl1 was the clear winner and a much more rewarding car to drive. theyre both nasty cars so gt gets the straight line and zl1 takes over once the road starts to bend. ill take the back roads over a stop light war anyday, just my 2 cents

@Will Good, now that I know you take offence to obvious crap I can carry on. The GT500 makes 82HP more than the ZL1 beating it in the 1/4 mile by .4 seconds. The Boss LS lost to the ZL1 by .1 seconds but the ZL1 also has a 136hp advantage. Now what company do you think really knows how to put the power down, and what company do you think answers by adding power just to stay close?

@TDYes, my first car was a Camaro and I do favor GM, so I have brand "loyalty" not brand "blindness." The Mustang in fact wins some points while the Camaro others. While the 'Stang is quicker, I believe the Camaro will out handle... Can't wait for the official comparison so all the testing criteria is the same. We can continue this conversation... Until then.

Will the bottom line is I know the Mustang is without a doubt the better car and you know that the Camaro is the better car and nothing either of us say will change the others mind. In either case the competition will only make both cars better.

@ Will . I know the Mustang is lighter. That's my point you stated that Ford had to give the GT500 80hp more to out perform the Zl1 while ignoring the fact that the 412hp (now 420hp) GT out performs the higher H.P, Camaro.What about your completely incorrect statement about the Mustang being a "purpose built coupe" vs the Camaro being a modified sedan? When it is in fact built on a modified version of Ford's DEW sedan platform that was used on the Lincoln LS and the Jaguar S-Type ? What you Chevy guy's fail to realize or refuse to admit is that Ford won this round.The Mustang is lighter, faster, has a better interior, and even with its 1960's tech rear suspensions handles better. But don't worry the next round is around the corner . The next Gen Mustang will be here in April of 2014 and the new Camaro in 2015. Both cars will be completely new "purpose built coupes" that should out perform the current versions of the cars in every category. So we will have to wait and see which will win that round.

Yahoo, but what's up with Ford making you pony up an additional $3500 for the 'SVT Performance Pack', $3k for the 'SVT Track Pack', and another $1500 for the Recaro's that come stock in the CHEAPER Boss?

@TD That's easy: weight. I think you knew that "before" you asked the question. The Camaro weighs a handily 300lbs. more than the Mustang, which if you recall, I did call the Camaro a "porker." Go to the gym, put three hundred on the bar and then you'll have a better idea. I bench around 250 so, I already know!@Rod Really? You talk about the weight while ignoring the Hp advantage the GT500 (662 vs 638) has and still gets DUSTED! Let's not even talk about dynamics. Have your victory with the Camaro if you must, but don't embarrass yourself trying to compare that thing to the Vette. Ford guys always look at the side of the equation that best benefits them. These two are prime examples. One looks at one, while the one focuses on another trying to prove a point. IGNORANCE: Base word: "ignore." Rod, you don't have the vocabulary or intelligence to go there with me. And why do you guys ALWAYS ignore my points about GMs dominant suspension? Oh right, you have no pot to piss in. Again, IGNORANCE!

Actually Will3 the S197 Mustang is not as you say a "purpose built coupe" Like the Camaro it is built on a chopped version of as sedan platform. The Mustang is built on a modified Lincols LS platform. As far as "needing" 80 more hp to beat the Camaro, well I can't argue that the GT500 has 80hp more and is faster. However how do you account for the fact that the 412 hp 2011 and up Mustang GT soundly beats the 425hp Camaro SS in the 1/4 mile.?

@FordMPYes, you are right, but as my original statement suggests, you simply IGNORED the questions that I asked you! Which in turn PROVES MY POINT. PURPOSE BUILT MUSTANG BEATS SEDAN-BASED CAMARO. Now, the new Mustang can ALREADY be seen testing. What happens when the lighter, PURPOSE BUILT Camaro comes to market with the magnetic shocks? What's Ford's answer then?

@SoL (2)Think about this... I mean really think about it. GM took a 4000 pound car and made it handle as well as a PURPOSE BUILT COUPE. Then Ford has to add 80 horse power to get it to outperform this GM PORKER! Not very efficient... What happens when the Camaro is A PURPOSE BUILT COUPE? What does Ford have to answer the magnetic suspension. 580 hp will be plenty do deal with the GT500 once the Camaro looses about 300 pounds... Only when you do true research can you make intelligent comments... Do your research little one...

@ SoL(1)What most of you from Ford really don't understand, or just choose to ignore is that the Camaro is NOT A PURPOSE BUILT COUPE. GM went to Australia and took a SEDAN and chopped two doors off and rushed a product to market... It's a PORKER! Why? Because it is SEDAN BASED. What can we say of the Mustang? It is a PURPOSE BUILT COUPE that has a hell of a time trumping the ZL1, but barely. 580 vs. 662 with less weight AND being purpose built and the best you can do is TENTHS (0.3 to 60) of a second. Your really want to brag about that. Let's do the math chief. Corvette is up for a redo. Then, the Camaro will be a PURPOSE BUILT COUPE just like the Mustang. This reduction in weight, plus the Magnetic suspension will put the Mustang to shame. Think that suspension is a gimmick, then ask Ferrari why the come see GM for a set... The live axle, while good, doesn't stand a chance. And just going to IRS won't be enough. Ford doesn't have the tech. So GM took a 4000 pound sedan and made it a beast.

I do think it's a little funny how GM thought they were going to destroy the GT500, when really the 2012 GT500 isn't much slower than a ZL1 at all. Now we have a GT500 that goes 20 mph faster, and has close to the performance specs of a ZR1, destroying the ZL1 by a half a second in the 1/4 mile. 3 tenths by 60 mph with smaller tires. Bottom line, the GT500 is an over 200 mph, mid 11 second, mid 3 second, 1G handling Supercar. The ZL1 is a 180 mph, 12 second, high 3 second 1G handling Pony car. That's just the facts. I'd love to see GM step it up again, will they? What's it gonna take to add over 20 mph to it's top speed? And jeuz, get rid of the over 4000 lb cars already. That's just kills performance. Compare a ZR1's specs to a '13 GT500 specs and they're very close. The Camaro has a lot of catching up to do.

I'll give credit where credit is due, Bugatti has thoroughly tested the Super Sport. It's a 258 mph tested Supercar. Not a 267 mph Supercar. I'd roll the dice and do a 267 mph top speed run in one if they'd let me and hope the tires don't expload, but you can't buy one like that. There is a handful of cars in development that are a lot lighter with just as much or more power than the Veyron, that are going to put it to shame. But until they actually test their cars, I'll give the Bugatti props.

FordMustangPegasus why compare aftermarket built mega hp Mustangs from Shelby Automobiles with cars that roll off production lines? Anyone can put 1000 hp in any car. And I don't understand why you're comparing a Super Cobra Jet to a Bugatti Veyron. Yeah the Super Cobra Jet kills the Veyron at 1.52 0-60, its an NHRA drag car. Even more impressive is the new 2013 430 hp model running mid 9s and the supercharged 500hp model running mid 8s. But again, they are non street legal NHRA Drag cars made for NHRA Stock and Super Stock classes. I don't think the Veyron is the ultimate Supercar, they had to put a speed limiter on it so the tires wouldn't blow up since it weighs over 4k lbs. A test driver went 267, you can't buy one like that, it will only go 258. The Hennesey Venom GT at 2743 lbs will go 275, the old Shelby Aero SSC went 257, in 2009 got 15% more power which should go 273, the 2012 SSC Tuatara will go 275. 2013 Agera R will go 273. All light weight cars, a Supercar at over 4k lbs doesn't make sense to me.

sparkyboy remember when we were getting Fox body 5.0s in the 13's and thought that was fast back 20+ years ago? They got 15-20 mpg average and were slower than a new V6 31mpg 305 hp Mustang. I'm assuming by your posts you're too young to remember that. And we thought the Mustang was gonna get replaced by the Ford Probe? It didn't, Ford just kept making better and better Mustangs, and there will always be Ford Supercars. Could be a Mustang or a return of the Ford GT, or another Shelby car. With technology getting better everyday, allowing the gas guzzler tax to be removed from the '13 GT500 202 mph Supercar even though it makes 112 more hp than last year, the most powerful mass produced V8 in the world, Ford isn't going to stop anytime soon. They're on track with the governments EPA requirements. And if Ford has to adapt, they will, Porche has a 900 hp 918 hybrid Supercar. Fords hybrid, ecoboost, direct injected, and electric motors are amazing. And it's called a GT500 for a reason. R.I.P. Carroll Shelby.

Really how many of you even know what 3 tenths of a second means in real world driving.. It doesn't matter Chevy boys, at the end of the day you can piss and moan all you want about your Magnetic ride control, you still lose. ZL1 or SS Camaro they get beat by less expensive better looking Mustangs... FORD WINS AGAIN.. These are magical times we live in.. ENJOY IT NOW, Big Brother will be putting the clamps down soon.

And if I want to go the strip the 2012 Mustang Cobra Jet is the way to go hitting the 1/4 in 9.22 seconds @ 149MPH faster than the Bugatti Veyron! And this is before even looking at the updated model or 2013 Cobra Jet which will probably break into the 8's!!!

Tuff I must agree even though as you say supercars like the Bugatti Veyron can ruun the quarter mile in just 9.9 seconds @ 146 mph that is the ultimate 2 seat sports car. This Mustang could easily break into the 10's. The fastest it was recorded on the first test day was 11.5. Might point exactly its even very comparible to a supercar. the zr1 is more competition than the zl1 to this car. I would like to know what the other shelby models are capable of in the quarter and 0-60 with 950 and 1,100 hp on tap. Its also my understanding the two Mustang Shelby's have different purposes one the 950HP Shelby is for Track use while the 1,100 HP monster is for the strip. Does anyone know and I would like it if MT did a first test on either!

Amazes me at the stupidity in here. You have some guru, who 3 weeks ago was saying how the ZL1 will be faster than the GT500 blah blah blah. Now times released, we have to skip the similar class cars and go up to ZR1 comparisons. Funny. However, in the 1/4 mile it is a drivers race between the Zr1 and GT500. Of course, at the end of the day, a 2+2 is running in the same league as a "super car." FYI: Evo performance snapped a 10.02 @ 141 with tires and pulley change only. I have yet to see a ZR1 faster without breaking into the engine or changing power adder.

Saw a new ZL1 square off with a 2013 GT500 (it should be called GT600 or 650), at the track. The GT500 was being driven by a test engineer. This was at a track elevation of 700' ASL and a DA of 1035' ASL... The ZL ran 12.3@115.5 & the GT5 ran 11.8@124.3... At over 110 mph, a half to 3/4 sec gap is equal to a grey hound bus and a half, it's huge!!!! This gt absolutely obliterated the ZL... So to any current and future ZL owners, stay clear of the new GT500 if you want to save face and not embarrass yourself..

Don't count on hp being over 450 in the next gen model, if there is one... 2015, no more hi-pwr v8's in domestic iron. Better enjoy it while we have it, thanks to a ever increasingly controlling government, these days are now limited to a few more years.... Shucks, according to a friend of mine at the DOE in DC, cars like this might be restricted from being driven much by 2015... Enjoy it!!!! Live for the NOW, because the future is looking very bleak and dark in the U.S. in almost every way.

Car and driver were able to pull 1.01g vs zl1's 1.0g flat. so i can safely say that because its lighter then the zl1 it will be as good in corners as the camaro if not better and it does that without IRS with magnetic ride. i respect both and would love to se either in my garage, but i feel i would be more satisfied with shelby.

Since when is the Nurburgring the acid test of any car? So what if the Mustang GT500 is faster around "the Ring" by a second or two? Or what if the Camaro ZL1 is faster by a second or two. Will that cause you to change loyalties? No!!! I prefer the Mustang. More advanced and efficient engine and better seating position for a 6'3" person like me. However, I wouldn't mind having both cars.

ROUSH428R I really hope they bring back the Legendary Ford GT based off the legendary GT40, but then again the Ford AC Cobra was a legendary car in its own right. But Carroll Shelby would be proud if Ford brought back the Same GT 40 that conquered 24hrs @ LeMans in 1966. And finished 1, 2, 3, victory for the Ford GT40 at the 1966 24 Hours of LeMans . A Lincoln Supercar would give the adrenaline needed to put some excitement back into the Lincoln Luxury Nameplate as well I think.

@the1guyidontknow. Just the fact that people are making comparisons between high output 2 seat sports cars and pony cars shows that Ford is breaking new ground.I think Ford is clearly going after the ZL1 with this Shelby.If it wanted to go after the ZR1 it would bring back the Ford GT with this engine package. There are rumors that it may do just that.{look up the worlds fastest mile records , all held by Ford GT's not the corvette].As far as the mustang's live axle keeping from being a good track car , that isn't accurate.Look at what the Boss 302's are doing in the GT classes.[the Roush cars are Camaro killers]

I mean cut every Ford guy a Break Chevytard. Edmunds Inside line put the corvette ZO6 alot slower the Mustang GT500 only 3.8 seconds in 0-60 and only 11.7 in the Quarter.. when the tests have confirmed that the Mustang GT500 Posted not only a 3.5 seconds 0-60 probably close to 3.2 seconds and 11.5 or even sub 10 second 1/4 mile time is better suit to be compared with Nissan GT-R Premium instead. Just leave the Z06 out of this because it can't keep up and neither can the corvette ZR-1...embarrassing a 4 seat or 2 + 2 Sports car like the Ford Mustang handing the Chevy corvette ZR-1 its ass!

No chevytard its running ZR-1 numbers you DoucheBag Face it!No don't worry it'll hook,book, and then cook your corvette stupid, just wait Carroll Shelby sent one last salvo the way of GM(he's smiling down on the dumb chevy douches like you one last time and bitch slapped ya~!) Oh yeah, it does'nt run corvette ZR-1 Numbers or even Bugatti Veyron numbers to be exact it NOW set the standard with a new set of numbers never seen before!If you paid close attention when Ford was racing the all new 2013 Ford Mustang GT500 at "THE RING" aka Nurburgring lap; then you'd already have your answer!But I guarantee you won't like the result my little chevy bitch! lol Yeah the camaro and how dare you sir compare a real sports car like the Ford Mustang to that POS! The camaro is a FAT PIG in comparison but that elephant managed a pathetic 7:41.27 was'nt even with lap time. Its not even within 20 seconds of the Mustang GT500 best time! I will personally set an even faster time around the ring when I get mine!

Face it, Ford Monkey, that 5.8L and it's 631 lb/ft is running Z06 numbers. Comparing it to a ZR1 is blasphemy and will only lead to utter embarrassment for the 'Stang. It's an awesome car, and I'd buy one in a heartbeat, but let's be real here. As for mods, you do that. Have "more power than a Veyron", like that's an accomplishment nowadays. I hope you're running Hoosiers, or something, otherwise...Well, if you can't hook, you can't book. And don't even think of taking it to a racetrack; you'd be into a wall before you could say "live rear axle".This is about the Mustang vs Camaro, and the 'Stang wins handily here, at least in terms of acceleration. I still want to see a legit head-to-head comparison, and a Nurburgring lap from the GT500, before I make any calls, though. And about that 200mph thing...I don't much care about the raw speed. I'm much more interested in just how long it takes the GT500 to get there.

Trav all you need to do is Pony up @ least $54,000 dollar to get started. Listen I know your family guy and family comes first but, if you've been saving your beans ah. Its just a car but a damn good one! There is no other car under $250,000 that will give you as much and some won't even give you that kind of power even for $250,000!

I've owned both, Camaro / Mustang. I've spent quite a bit of time in both newer models.. I definitely prefer the GT500 over ZL1. I loathe the seating position in the Camaro and horrible visibility. Mustangs feel so much more agile on the track, even though they're burdened by the solid rear, they manage it well. Its only noticable when diving into an uneven corner, whether it be under hard braking or acceleration, the rearend will jump and jog, but for the most part its surprisingly planted and stable. Bottomline, I'd give a kidney for this new 500.. Anyone in need and wanna make a trade?

Ok Trav you've convinced me your a sports car fan and not biased to any one particular brand but I absolutely hate the chevy fan boy (redneck) mentality. It pervasive and has existed for years. I have run into the kind many times and they think their car is King of everything ahhh No sir its not. Its a turd. If chevy boys gave Ford any credit I might soften a little but they won't and I won't! Please if you have never experienced a chevytard go to your local drag strip where they're gunning the 70's chevy Nova at the strip, then talk to them and soon you'll notice that a damn flea has a bigger brain than they do!

Face it cheby boys Ford's 5.8 liter and 631 Ft/Lbs of Torque Trumps chevy's 6.2 liters and 604 Ft/Lbs of torque! Sorry rednecks head off to limpdickenfelter and hennessey for your mods. I'll be waiting with my own at Shelby's with more power than a Bugatti Veyron!