My day with Markos & Jerome

Hmm. As it turns out, both Markos and Jerome are real people. Real people with Treos attached to their thumbs, but real people nonetheless.

A packed crowd of about 200 showed up at the Labor Temple last night, and a smaller group went out for drinks afterwards. Andrew has the details.

Everything went incredibly smoothly yesterday, which I guess validates the concept of a volunteer, netroots organized book tour. Kudos to Nick for organizing last night’s event, and a big thanks to the SEIU for footing the bill. (Local 775, Local 925 and District 1199NW.

I had the privilege of hearing Markos and Jerome repeat their message to a number of different audiences and respond to a variety of questions, and I was struck by how commonsense — even obvious — some of their criticism of the Democratic Party really is. Crashing the Gate may be an intentionally provocative title, but my hope is that if party officials read the book and take the criticism constructively, that gate will swing wide open, and they will welcome the help of the netroots in revitalizing our party.

As both Jerome and Markos pointed out repeatedly, the Republicans have all these huge infrastructure advantages… and yet they just barely win. It won’t happen overnight, but if we can manage to overcome the institutional inertia and shove our party into the 21st century, we really can achieve a Democratic majority.

UPDATE: Fixed the post to recognize all the SEIU locals who supported the event. My apologies.

Now that your fearless leader and leadership is VERY clearly being exposed as liars, crooks, war-profiteers, megolomaniacs, etc. – aren’t you just a little PISSED OFF that this whole Ponzi Scheme is gonna crash before you get your grimy-slimy mitts in it?

Hey Goldy – Remember last summer when you did your amateur engineering analysis on the 520 bridge and you wanted it shut down? How’s that coming? Did you get anybody in WSDOT to listen to your kooky ideas?

You can only imagine how pleased I was to see the headline in today’s PI dealing with Senator No Rocket Scientist. I figured there would be a gem in there, and SAS, I was right. So Senator Dimbulb wants more money for border security, but true to form, she voted against a bill that would have done what she wants.

So now she can go around demonizing the wascly wepubwicans without mentioning that she voted against her own idea.

“When you cut right through it, right-wing ideology is just ‘dime-store economics’ – intended to dress their ideology up and make it look respectable. You don’t really need to know much about economics to understand it. They certainly don’t. It all gets down to two simple words. ‘Cheap labor. That’s their whole philosophy in a nutshell … a short and pithy ‘catch phrase’ that describes them perfectly. …

“You see, cheap-labor conservatives are defenders of corporate America – whose fortunes depend on labor. The larger the labor supply, the cheaper it is. The more desperately you need a job, the cheaper you’ll work, and the more power those ‘corporate lords’ have over you. If you are a wealthy elite – or a ‘wannabe’ like most dittoheads – your wealth, power and privilege is enhanced by a labor pool, forced to work cheap. …

“Cheap-labor conservatives like ‘free trade’, NAFTA, GATT, etc. Why. Because there is a huge supply of desperately poor people in the third world, who are ‘over a barrel’, and will work cheap. … ‘Free Trade’, globalization, NAFTA and especially GATT are intended to create a world-wide ‘corporate playground’ where national governments serve the interests of corporations – which means ‘cheap labor’. …

“The ugly truth is that cheap-labor conservatives just don’t like working people. They don’t like ‘bottom up’ prosperity, and the reason for it is very simple. Lords have a harder time kicking them around. Once you understand this about the cheap-labor conservatives, the real motivation for their policies makes perfect sense. Remember, cheap-labor conservatives believe in social hierarchy and privilege, so the only prosperity they want is limited to them. They want to see absolutely nothing that benefits the guy – or more often the woman – who works for an hourly wage.”

“Me? hate and intolerance? When? Give me an example. No, you guys have cornered the market on hate and intolerance.”

Commentby Mark The Redneck— 3/26/06@ 3:38 pm

This comment was pretty cheeky, because MTR has proposed genocide far larger than that perpetrated by the Nazis:

“There are 6 billion people in the world. 2 billion of them are muslim. That means that all the rest of need to pair up and kill one of them. When we all do that, the problem will be solved. And it really is like a cancer… you hafta get every trace of it… every cell, or it will come out of remission with a vengeance. This also solves the global population problem you guys are so worried about, so we kill two birds with one stone.”

Commentby Mark The Redneck— 12/17/05@ 8:51 pm

How long will it take for MTR to repudiate or apologize for such hateful remarks?

Thumb – I appreciate the fact that you have picked up on the need to exterminate the cancer of isfuckinglam from the world. While the timing may not be quite right yet…the day will come. Perhaps when these raghead assfuckingholes fire SAMs at commercial airplanes and blow up innocent people, or maybe when they walk into your neighborhood grocery store and blow up everyone in the produce section, maybe fucking idiots like you will start to see the light. Until then, please continue to get the word out.

And to be clear, this includes every fucking one of them. Every man, woman and child. Every man who is a terrorist, every woman who would breed terrorists, and every child that would grow up to be a terrorist or terrorist breeder.

And don’t tell me that bullshit about “the religion of peace”. Don’t tell me the bullshit about islam being hijacked by extremists. If that’s the case, then I want to see the “moderates” block I-5 once a week with a “not in our name” protest. I want to see non stop commercials on TV saying “this shit isn’t us”. I want to hear stuff on the radio that they reject terror. So far, I haven’t heard shit from them. So until I do, I’m gonna assume that they support it.

Geez Rabbit, ya oughta stick to whatever you know. This thing about “cheap labor conservatives” might be a cute political statement, but it’s clear you don’t know shit about economics. Since you obviously got a public education, I’ll be a nice guy and share with you how the fucking world works.

First, there is a world beyond Murka’s borders. You know, like the “global village” that The Smartest Woman In The World talks about. Murka is not isolationist; we are the big dog in the global world.

It can be proven with 100% mathematical certainty that the aggregate economic effect by allowing immigrant labor to work here is strongly positive. Let’s go down the list:

1) The immigrants are better off because they make more money here than they can in their home country. That’s why most of them come here. Plus they get to use our free healthcare system and other taxpayer provided benefits.

2) Business is better off because they can produce their products at lower cost. Their profits are therefore higher, and the company is healthier and assured of continued viability.

3) Consumers are better off because they can buy products at lower prices because the producer’s cost is lower. And some (but certainly not all) of the savings ARE passed on to the consumer. I won’t go into “elasticity of demand” here to prove why that’s true, but if you want I can later.

So at a macro-economic level, the aggregate economic gain is strongly positive. So that’s why it’s happening and will always happen. It’s not any more changeable than the law of gravity.

So who gets hurt? The displaced Murkan worker. I think it was Clinton’s budget director who said “it’s hard to sell globalization as a good thing by telling people that their unemployment check will go further at WalMart.” Bingo. That pretty much nails it doesn’t it? But nobody in Murka has an excuse to have no markeable skills. None. Anyone can get a free taxpayer funded education through high school and pay only 20% of the true cost of a university education. So anyone who doesn’t take advantage of that is a lazy fucking idiot. Period.

So if big hearted Roger Rabbit and the other moonbats here want to do something constructive relative to immigration, how ’bout you tell the stupid lazy minimum wage Murkans to get off their asses and get some of that free fancy book larnin’ so they can get out of the economic cellar? And leave the immigrants alone, and not spew your hate on them?

P.S., what free health care system? I’d like to sign up for it, since my health insurance premiums take 1/3 of my income and cover only half of my health care needs. I’m a U.S. war veteran, and I can’t get affordable health care much less free health care. According to the fucked-up priorities of your Murka Ant Farm, it’s more important for people like Mike McGavick to make $14 million a year, or for people like Bill Frist’s dad to be billionaires, than it is for an American citizen who worked for 45 years and fought this country’s wars to get health care. Fuck you, Mark. Fuck all of your kind. All of you un-Christian Republican bastards will go to Hell for the evil lives you led in Murkaland.

Go to any ER. Anywhere. It’s against the law for them to turn you away. And if you can’t pay, just walk out the door.

The fact is Rabbit…is that you got all you’re worth. If you could have done better, you would have. You didn’t because you couldn’t. You are the ONLY fucking “lawyer” I’ve ever heard of who complains of poverty. So either you aren’t a lawyer at all, or you’re a fucking idiot. Or maybe both.

You seem to be making the case that you’re somehow entitled to free unlimited healthcare. How the fuck is that gonna work? Who the fuck is gonna pay for it? And on what possible moral ground can you claim that?

In case you’re wondering why I don’t qualify for V.A. health care, it’s because (a) I don’t qualify before service-connected because I was unlucky enough to not get shot in Vietnam, and (b) I’m not poor enough (by $500 a year) for non-service-connected because Bush lowered the maximum eligible income level. And you want me to vote for HIM??? A draft dodger and deserter who doesn’t have to worry about whether he can afford to see a doctor when he’s sick because he’s gonna inherit millions of dollars and stole millions more? Fuck you Republican bastards.

Hell, after the most incompetent president in history retires, he’ll get the finest medical care money can buy — at taxpayer expense — for the rest of his life. I’m just a citizen who worked for a living, paid taxes, and fought in Nixon’s war, so I’m not good enough even for V.A. care. Fuck you Republican bastards! I’ve waited 60 years for you assholes to give me one good reason to vote for you, and I’m still waiting.

“Anyone can get a free taxpayer funded education through high school and pay only 20% of the true cost of a university education.”

Really??? Are you referring to the high school graduates in Washington State with 3.9 GPAs who get turned away by our public colleges because they don’t have space for A students?

And then when Washington’s voters elect a Democratic governor who wants to increase state funding for public schools and colleges, and create more spaces for deserving students in the U.W. and our other state colleges, you Republican bastards whine about Gregoire “stealing” the election and bitch about taxes you don’t even pay? Fuck you, Mark, and fuck all your lying bastard Republican ilk!

Only a ‘cheap labor’ republicfuck would see the elimination of the middle class as good for the United States. So goes Saipan, so goes the rest of the U.S.

Forget about the sanctity of fetuses, In Saipan (U.S. protectorate and sweat labor shop) the Republicfucks FORCE abortions on the women. Sounds like Mark The Reddick’s paradise. No more child support, just force the women to work 14 hours a day and abort the fetuses you supply them with after raping them.

“A” students can’t get in because you moonbats are so preoccupied by pigment and plumbing that being a good student isn’t a factor. UW gives more points for brown skin and a pussy than it does for a 4.0 GPA and perfect SAT scores.

C’mon rabbit – Fess up… you weren’t really a lawyer were you? Maybe a paralegal… or maybe you were the secretary in a law office. There is NFW that you were a lawyer. Any lawyer worth a shit makes well into 6 figures.

But Mark, I’m glad you appreciate the fact that the plaintiff’s lawyer who collected a $1 billion fee in the tobacco case is worth what he was paid.

And I’m sure you have no objection to lawyers who bring shareholder suits against companies typically collect anywhere from $5 million to $100 million in legal fees while the shareholders get somewhere around $1 to $10 each. Obviously, these lawyers are worth what they’re paid, or they wouldn’t be paid those amounts.

And, no doubt, a CEO who gets a captive board that he appointed himself to pay him $100 million a year for losing money for the shareholders is worth every cent of what he extorted from the company’s customers and shareholders!

Yeah, you can always trust unregulated capitalism to make sure everyone gets paid exactly what they deserve. Either that, or you’re a FUCKING IDIOT.

And we also know that for the world to work, we gotta get rid of the incompetent, evil, greedy NeoCons and their delusional sympathizers. MTR, you may be happy destroying the U.S. economy, and shooting yourself in the foot, but it ain’t gonna happen.

The people have caught on. You are dead meat swinging in the wind. Just check out Bush’s approval ratings.

Over 1,000 lawyers work in state government, and you can count on your fingers the number of them who make six figures. Most state agency heads don’t make six figures. The highest paid state employee — by far — is guess who? The U.W. football coach.

Donna – Look, global economics obviously isn’t your thing. You’d be way better off just trying to figure out what goes on in your office. BTW, any luck figuring out what those “technical people” do? Here’s one: Why do websites like HA put a “cookie” on your machine? Just give me one sentence answer.

The 1000 lawyers in state gummint are the ones who aren’t good enough to command the high salaries of private practice. They rose to their max level and that’s where they stayed. Free market economics at work. Like I said, you live in a manner exactly equal to your worth…

Chris Gregoire, as state attorney general, was paid about $120,000 a year for winning a legal case that brought in over $4 billion for the taxpayers. If she’d been paid a law firm rate, her take would have been about $1.2 billion, or roughly 10,000 times what she was paid as a public servant for performing comparable work. So I guess this is an instance of the free market deciding what a person is worth, huh. Or maybe the person you right-wing assholes call “Fraudoire” or “Queen Gregoire” has values a cut above crass money-grubbing? But you Republican government-haters don’t know shit about public service or dedication or doing anything for others, so I don’t expect a FUCKING IDIOT like you to understand why she did it for $120,000 a year.

General Roger Hindsight Rabbit it appears that the United States is coming up with new War plans for Iran. You better get on the ball and start your protest or the war will be over before you can free Tibet.

Report: U.S. steps up war plans covering Iran White House reportedly mulling military options for forcing regime change

The report says the administration has stepped up clandestine activities in Iran and has initiated a series of talks on its plans with “a few key senators and members of Congress.” A former senior defense official is cited as saying the military believed a sustained bombing campaign against Iran would humiliate the leadership and lead the Iranian public to overthrow it, adding that he was shocked to hear the strategy.

The report also says the U.S. military is seriously considering the use of a tactical nuclear weapon against Iran to ensure the destruction of Iran’s main centrifuge plant at Natanz. The Pentagon advisor is quoted as saying some senior officers and officials were considering quitting over the issue.

Now tell us Wabbit… are you telling me that you COULD have commanded $200/hour in private practice but chose not to? That is, you decided to be state employee rather than making $400k/year? Either way, you’re a fucking idiot…

Four billion bucks divided by 4 million adult residents of our state is $1,000 per person of taxes you don’t have to pay because of her good work. If you don’t like what she did for the state’s taxpayers, why don’t you mail a check for $1,000 to the Department of Revenue? That’s what you got from her for free, you fucking

My career decisions are MY decisions, not yours. Not everybody is a selfish money-grubbing asshole like you.

By the way, Mark, how many wars did you fight in? Were you happy with the $90 a month starting pay, and the $258 a month combat pay? I knew what the pay was when I ENLISTED, asshole. Unlike your Fearless Leader decorating a chair in the Oval Office, I didn’t pull strings to get a National Guard slot in order to EVADE serving in Vietnam, nor did I go AWOL or become a DESERTER like Bush did. I wouldn’t have been drafted, because I can’t pass a military physical, so I ENLISTED for the pay mentioned above. Thanks for supporting the troops, Mark. When are you going to pay your $100 gambling debt to Goldy, you fucking bet welsher?

@44: Well, Vagina Lips, you could always put your pants on your head and paint yourself with shoe polish….nah, wouldn’t help. You’re still pathetic. Give yourself a 350 year head start, and then point fingers at others because they are “not keeping up”.

You are an out of control egotistical sociopath, and I assert this with all due respect.

Answer the fucking question you pretend fucking wanna be… you’re not a lawyer are you. You worked in a law office, but you weren’t a fucking lawyer. Nobody in their right fucking mind would give up $300k per year just to work for the state. And even if YOU wanted to do that… how ’bout your family? Don’t you think Mrs. Rabbit deserves better after putting up with an asshole like you for all these years? Or how ’bout your chirrens… don’t you want to pass something onto them so they don’t turn into miserable angry old bastards like you?

I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm

“The advantage that the R’s have is that our ideas work every time they’re tried…”

With the exception of Abraham Lincoln and the radical Republicans, the GOP has not supported or formulated an “idea” that has “worked” since 1863. Their “ideas” (to use a term loosely), when implimented, have proved to be utter failures.

Failures, each and every one of them. They all called themselves conservatives. But I suppose you will say the divine right of kings is not “true conservativism” (I leave that to you to take up with Hobbes and Burke).

The history of the “west” is a fairly consistent narrative of the defeat of “conservatism”, under whatever guise it takes. Nothing much has changed in that respect lately. As they say on the Street, “the trend is your friend”.

MTR at 20: His argument is no different than the one Adolph Hitler used to justify the Holocaust. The only difference is that MTR is proposing the genocide of a far larger percentage of the world’s population.

Some lefties on this blog call various trolls “Nazis.” The problem with using the term so loosely is that it trivializes what amounts to one of the harshest criticisms one can make of another person.

MTR truly deserves to be described as a neo-Nazi. What he proposes represents an unprecedented crime against humanity. Have we become so numbed to right-wing hyperbole that such talk goes uncriticized?

Vagina Lips @21: You assert a mathematical “proof”, but make no such argument. I want to see the “100% mathematical certainty”. Bring the numbers and formulas, and spare us from further displays of your incredible ignorant egotism. As to your other displays of ignorance:

Vagina Lips: Immigrants use our “free” social services..

False. These services are not free. I should think that would be self-evident. Grade: F-

Vagina Lips: “Business is better off because they can produce their products at lower cost. Their profits are therefore higher”

Does not follow. Lower costs does not necessarily imply higher profits in a pure competitive model. And anyway, that is micro economic analysis. Grade: F-

Vagina Lips: “Consumers are better off…”

That depends, some do suffer as a result–see working class, the (as you point out). But do tell us about the “elasticity of demand”. We can’t wait. The jury is still out on the question as to the net gains\losses from the immigration we have experienced. As usual, economists differ. Grade: F-

Vagina Lips: (I paraphrase) “Why anybody can get a “free education” and if you don’t it’s your fault”. This assertion is ludicrous on its face. You sound excactly like that blathering idiot, Dori Monson. Grade: F-

However, it is with some glee that you appear to be one who favors unlimited immigration to balance the trans-national labor market. Somehow, I don’t think most of your fellow loons agree with you, Vagina Lips.

RR: It’s useless to try to reason with a bullet-headed jerkoff like MTR. His economic expertise might work in a world simple enough for a 7th grader to understand. That’s the level he’s at. And if you can’t see he’s , wellthen your just stupid and not up to understanding his “world vision.”

Like , for instance, the idea of the “free market”. If you try to explain to MTR that Exxon/Mobil does not operate in a “free market”, he won’t understand what you’re saying.

MTR gives himself advice “When you have 4 university degrees, you can argue with me. Until then STFU and listen to your betters.”

Actually the degrees you don’t have are immaterial. You just need to quit drinking the NeoCon Kool-Aid, and quit parroting empty headed and not-worth-the-time-debating and often disproved wingnut slogans.

Where do idiots like MTR get bred? That type of slime cannot be from the Pacific Northwest. His ego is definitely geometrically grander than his IQ. Why do we even waist time with neo-NAZI-trolls like this bottom feeder? At least, once in a great great while, Puddybud and Rufus actually say something worth thinking about…..that is while your are sitting on the throne and taking a well deserved GWB. (don’t forget to wipe)

@92: I agree, drivil, but sport is sport. Vagina Lips is good for elementary target practice, nothing more. He reminds me of a poster on another blog who boasted of his 140 IQ and claimed to make an IRONCLAD IRREFUTABLE CASE that the “Jews” blew up the World Trade Center on 9\11. Why, he even had some “scientific analysis” to back it up.

A person whose only tool for understanding human society is economics, is like a carpenter whose only tool for building a house is a saw. A carpenter without a hammer, level, tape measure, etc., builds nothing. Likewise, a person with no understanding of history, politics, sociology, psychology, etc., can have a dozen Ph.D.s in economics but would not have a working knowledge of human society or be capable of making rational policies.

There you go RR, you nailed it on the head. “only an idiot….” makes MTR the President of the wingnut brigade….and a cheap, low life, welsher on his personal (I would say gentleman’s but he does not classify) bets.

Here’s rabbit economics for ya: I can make bunnies faster than you humans can trap them or run them over!! Been to Green Lake Park lately? Didja notice there’s still bunnies hopping around? My cute babies will keep multiplying until the ecology is SATURATED with rabbits!! How’s that for bunny economics! We’re gonna overrun the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD with FLUFFY BUNNIES with CUTE COTTONTAILS!! Eat pellers, parks department fascists!

I’d get better medical treatment from Castro than I do from you fucking Republicans! That’s not an advertisement for Castro, it merely points out how pathetic the GOP is. Hey, I’m looking forward to Mike “Million-Dollar-Man” McGavick running on a platform of “health care for nobody except millionaires!” That should go over big with the voters. If he’s lucky, he might pull as many votes as Nethercutt!

“But I suppose you will say the divine right of kings is not “true conservativism” (I leave that to you to take up with Hobbes and Burke).”

Sure it is. Conservatism is nothing but warmed-over royalism. And royalists are nothing but CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES.

“Cheap-labor conservatives opposed virtually all of the New Deal, including every improvement in wages and working conditions.

“Cheap-labor conservatives have a long and sorry history of opposing virtually every advancement in this country’s development going right back to the American revolution.

“Cheap-labor conservatives have hated Social Security and Medicare since their inception.

“Many cheap-labor conservatives are hostile to public education. They think it should be privatized. … Cheap-labor conservatives opposed universal public education in its early days. …

“Cheap-labor conservatives hate the progressive income tax …

“Cheap-labor conservatives like budget deficits and a huge national debt for two reasons. A bankrupt government has a harder time doing any ‘social spending’ … and . . . cheap-labor conservatives … earn tax free interest on the money they lend the government. …

“‘Free Trade’, globalization, NAFTA and especially GATT are intended to create a world-wide ‘corporate playground’ where national governments serve the interests of corporations – which means ‘cheap labor’.”

“Ass – When you have 4 university degrees, you can argue with me. Until then STFU and listen to your betters. If you had any fucking education at all, you’d know what I’m talking about. Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/8/06@ 7:19 pm”

So — how many years were you a professional student, sponging off taxpayers?

“Hey Rabbit – Ya disappeared for a while. How was the dog food dinner? Did Mrs. Rabbit fix it up good? My filet mignon is on the grill now. Smells delicious…I’ll letcha know how it is… Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/8/06@ 7:29 pm”

Rabbits are vegans, dummy!! I was up the hill eating Stefan’s garden, not that it’s any of YOUR business!! Enjoy the filet mignon … I can hear your arteries hardening all the way over here!! Hey, enjoy another one!! Go ahead, clog your pipes!! Ya ain’t gonna live forever anyway, so you may as well go happy!!

122 – Ummmm…. I know this would never occur to you… but all my degrees are from private universities. None of them paid for by taxpayers. I’m WAY above that level. Commentby Mark The Redneck— 4/8/06@ 9:46 pm”

Allow me to revise my question.

So – how many years were you a professional student, sponging off your parents?

“Rodger Rodger, the term old codger, you’ve become, repeating yourself, saying the same things,”

Yeah, why not? Republicans do it, because it’s a good propaganda technique — it works. If Republicans can repeat things, why can’t I repeat things too? Why should Republicans have a monopoly on repeating things? Republicans want a monopoly on every fucking thing.

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Over 1,000 lawyers work in state government, and you can count on your fingers the number of them who make six figures. Most state agency heads don’t make six figures. The highest paid state employee – by far – is guess who? The U.W. football coach.

Commentby Roger Rabbit— 4/8/06@ 4:51 pm

Wabbit,

Here is a list of monthly salaries in the Washington Attorney General’s Office as of January 2005:

Hmm … well, since six figures seems to be the going rate for everybody from state lawyers to idiots with 4 economics degrees, maybe we should bring up all the state lawyers who AREN’T making six figures to that level. Sound fair?

I counted 30,* Richard, which is a little more than 10 (with inflation and all) but that’s still only about 6% of the lawyers in the AG’s office making $100,000 or more; and the AG’s are by far the best-paid lawyers in state government. Over half of the state’s lawyers work for other agencies, and almost none of those make six figures.

So MTR has four degrees? I can’t imagine anyone but a spoiled and aimless rich kid getting that many . But if indeed he does, why does he sound so insecure that instead of honestly engaging an argument he uses the debating tactics of a sixth grader?

At any rate, education is highly overrated. Gary Snyder laments graduates who “make unimaginably large sums of money, people impeccably groomed, excellently educated at the best universities” who eat “fine foods” and read “classy literature, while orchestrating the investment and legislation that ruin the world.”

Many, many stupid and dangerous policies have been enacted by “highly educated” people. The key factor that leads them astray is lack of compassion. I’ve yet to see MTR show a drop of it.

Over half of the state’s lawyers work for other agencies, and almost none of those make six figures.

Commentby Roger Rabbit— 4/8/06@ 10:18 pm

Well, I didn’t have any axe to grind one way or the other, just felt like rebutting your statistical pronouncement on $100K plus lawyer salaries :)

You may very well be correct that the number of — (1) JD degree holders, (2) people ever admitted to any bar association, or even (3) currently active members of the Washington bar — outside of the Attorney General’s office is higher than the number working for the Attorney General’s office.

But somehow I doubt that most of these other positions require bar membership, or even a JD degree. They are probably just people who have a law degree, but prefer doing something constructive and pleasant working for government, instead of ending up the unlucky SOB lawyer at the bottom of the feeding chain, with lots of frustration and little money.

He “has insisted that leakers thwart the proper functioning of government. In certain cases, they commit “treason.” He has described leakers as low-level, frustrated bureaucrats who feed their own egos by passing along juicy tidbits to mangy reporters.”

He once said “somebody in our government wanted to show off to his family or her family in between Christmas and New Year’s by leaking information in the press … I don’t know why people do that. I guess either to make you [the press] feel good and/or to make themselves feel good.”

Jeez, I respond to a couple of Vagina Lips “facts”, and all I get is admonished to “STFU”, or come back when, presumably, I will have 5 university degrees (alas, I have only two). His response merely demonstrates more of his poor grammar, execrable spelling, and intellectual cowardice.

That can be overlooked or even forgiven, but welshing on a bet? Never. Welshers are pond scum.

Hey Goldy– This huge infrastructure advantage you claim the R’s have??? I’ve never seen it in Washington. They have useless voter lists, virtually no ground troops and organizational skills that are poor at best. More & more people have felt alienated from the Party when they wanted to help. Money was spent in all the wrong places. The Dems on the other hand have the cheat-machine in place….although more & more of it has been exposed. Tens of thousands of names have been taken off voter lists in recent months because they were illegal & ineligible. Remember how King County had more votes than voters in numerous Gregoire precindts and more voters than votes in Rossi precindts. That should happen quite so easily with all these extra ballots not floating around. There have been numerous double-voters clearly identified….and none prosecuted. It’s apparetnly still worth it to double-vote! No consequences.

Actually the post @ 21 is the most asinine piece of gutter logic I he read since PuddyBud’s last post.

But if you like it so much in Murka, I suggest you haul your trailer over there and set up your own Kingdom of Idiocy.

Those of us in the United States will hardly miss you.

Commentby Donnageddon— 4/8/06@ 4:34 pm”

My last post was this:

“RPope: As I remember Bill O’Reilly also posted his bent on his TV show. But most ASSWipes or… ASSHeads don’t listen to O’Reilly. You have to excuse Rabbit Pellet. He probably read about on Kos, and assumed Phelps must be Republican since he is anti-gay. But no, Phelps isn’t Republican and this destroys another myth that all donkocrapts are pro-gay!

Rabbit Pellet: While in Atlanta during the week Mrs. King died, I learned MLK Jr’s daughter, Pastor Bernice King, preaches from her Atlanta megachurch pulpit against homosexuals too. She is rabidly anti-gay. Hmmm…? I wonder why? Bernice preaching to blacks from the Bible perhaps? Didn’t you moronic idiots called ASSHeads realize that Mrs King’s funeral was held at the largest anti-gay black church in Atlanta? DUH! Remember Mrs King was pro-gay. So looks like Bernice got the last laugh in! Did you moonbats miss the irony? See marks, I saved this piece of information for the right time.

If only the loony libruls of the Goldy Northwest Division of Moonbats got out and read past their librul blogs and understood more of the country, what a better place WA State would be!”

You know DonnaDumbMonkeygeddon, if you traveled around the US you’d see just how far out of touch the Goldy Northwest Division of Loony Moonbats are. I realize now that DonnaDullKnifegeddon has a disease called eye-brain infarction. When he reads utter truth as the post above, his eyes bug out. Upon reaching his optic nerves the truth misfires his nerve receptors in his cereburm and he enters the bullshit zone! Ahhh the lunacy!

“Only a ‘cheap labor’ republicfuck would see the elimination of the middle class as good for the United States. So goes Saipan, so goes the rest of the U.S.

Forget about the sanctity of fetuses, In Saipan (U.S. protectorate and sweat labor shop) the Republicfucks FORCE abortions on the women. Sounds like Mark The Reddick’s paradise. No more child support, just force the women to work 14 hours a day and abort the fetuses you supply them with after raping them.

Commentby Donnageddon— 4/8/06@ 4:45 pm”

You have to stop visiting those left wing sites and listening to Al Franken[stein]. This whole matter was a lawsuit done by NYC donks. Also since the SAIPAN island is under the protection of the 9th Circus Court of Appeals, they would HAVE REACTED! The vicious anti-CNMI crusade of Donnageddon per Al Franken[stein].

But there’s more Stuckonstupiddon: The unions were upset over the cheap labor and competition from overseas! Instead of research, Donnageddon takes what Al Franken or Brian Ross says as gospel.

“Miss Sheldon’s assessment is amplified by Kok Hiong Pang, pastor of the Chinese Christian Church, the largest Chinese church in Saipan. He told WORLD that in six years of ministry to Chinese workers on the island, he had never experienced or heard of instances where the freedom to worship or practice religion had been hampered. Mr. Pang holds four weekly services at his church. Average attendance at each is well over 300.

Mr. Pang said that he and his wife had counseled women, who comprise the majority of the imported garment workers, in crisis pregnancies and other difficulties without ever encountering a worker who was being coerced into having an abortion or committing sex crimes. “There may have been a few cases where these things happen,” said Mr. Pang, “but it is not ‘rampant,’ as the investigators say. This is a lie.”

Along with its veracity, the conduct of the department’s investigation is also under fire. Interior’s director of insular affairs, Allen Stayman, hired a private investigator to conduct the probe, under a $100,000 contract with the government. The department’s investigating team says it conducted 400 interviews in Northern Marianas in January and February as the basis of the report. During the Senate hearings, however, department officials said they were not prepared to turn over the report to the Senate committee, even though a draft version was shown prior to the hearings to The Washington Post and ABC News. Justice Department and Customs Service officials, which have jurisdiction over such investigations, asked that the outside report not be presented because they considered it unverifiable.”

Now isn’t that typical donk. Display the draft version to have liburl MSM news orgs make the opposition look bad but when called on it they bury the report. Typical Clintonistas!!!

And we also know that for the world to work, we gotta get rid of the incompetent, evil, greedy NeoCons and their delusional sympathizers. MTR, you may be happy destroying the U.S. economy, and shooting yourself in the foot, but it ain’t gonna happen.

The people have caught on. You are dead meat swinging in the wind. Just check out Bush’s approval ratings.

Commentby Donnageddon— 4/8/06@ 4:50 pm”

Apparently stuckonstupiddon forgot the ABC Quinnipiac poll that said 57% of the peeps approve their own congressman. Now if they vote that way, who will control congress in the fall? Stuck, do a google search on “poll 57 approve of their congressman” Take your time and read real slowly! You’ll see the poll!!!!

Rabbit Pellet: Why did you become a donk lawyer working in the donk system? My niece makes a large six figure salary. She is admitted to the SCOTUS to plead cases, and she made partner in way less that ten years! And “drivelASS”, she was a 3.95 student! Don’t worry I won’t divulge her particulars. Remember donnageddon said I have a “pink ass” so she could be white, chocolate, asian, or eskimo! Happy hunting Rabbit Pellet!

KLake: Green Thumb is off the reservation again in post #78. Please repost your wonderful entry from an earlier thread about the Socialist Party and display for the libruls here who supports Socialist agendas. It is NOT the Republican party!!!

Donnageddon AKA Dull Knife. I’ll give you a break for the rest of the day. I am off to the airport now. Gotta get some more FFMs, so I am taking the long way to WA DC area instead of going direct to Dulles! I’ll rejoin you tomorrow! Happy researching your incorrect analyses!

Drivel@92: Only Puddybud and Rufus? I think Richard Pope holds his own too. Regarding taking a GWB, I would rather enjoy a Lewinsky or is that have a Clinton? I wonder…

Regarding the love fest between MTR and the rest of you liberals or is it libruls… I have not viewed a shred of lefty evidence in any post in this thread refuting much of MTR’s argument. All I have read are vitriolic attacks against him. Drop the $100 bet attack. If that’s all you have, your arguments are silly! Please post some economic data to back up your responses to MTR. I want a debate.

Personally I like the Sowell/Samuelson debates. If you don’t know who they are; Thomas Sowell & Robert Samuelson. Take a few minutes and read people. Headless Lucy, you economic retort was worthless!

Dream on Redneck. Your economic “analysis” is dimestore right-wing lifted from National Review or some other propaganda.

I’ll give you a fact: the record of the Bush administration on job creation is the WORST of any post-WWII president. Squandering hundreds of billions of borrowed money on a useless war in Iraq (that is soon going to spread to Iran) is going to the wreck this country if not the whole world economy for many years to come.

Hey rabbit – tell the story again about 1/3 of your income going to medical. I guess a lifetime of bad choices is coming home to roost huh… And now you want to externalize your fucking stoopid choices to the rest of us. NOT gonna happen. Hey, maybe you can get a job at one of the parking garages in seattle. You can be the old fart collecting parking fees and opening the gate. You should be able to handle that.

Lawyer my ass… you were a lowly fucking paralegal. I’ll bet you ran LA Law movies in your head though didn’t you. Made the day pass at least…

Goldy makes reference to “huge infrastructure advantages” that Rs have. Other than having cornered the market on IDEAS that work, what the fuck is he talking about? You guys have the courts, the media, and the schools.

Can somebody make a list? This should be fun… have ANY of you illiterate idiots read this piece of shit book Goldy refers to? Even one of you? Hey goldy – Have you read it?

By Parisa Hafezi TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran on Sunday brushed aside what it called a U.S. “psychological war” against its nuclear program after a published report described Pentagon planning for possible military strikes against Iranian atomic facilities. A report by influential investigative journalist Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker magazine, citing unnamed current and former officials, said Washington has stepped up plans for possible attacks on Iranian facilities to curb its atomic work. The article said the United States was considering using tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Iran’s underground uranium enrichment facilities at Natanz, south of Tehran. “This is a psychological war launched by Americans because they feel angry and desperate regarding Iran’s nuclear dossier,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told a weekly news conference.

“But somehow I doubt that most of these other positions require bar membership, or even a JD degree. They are probably just people who have a law degree, but prefer doing something constructive and pleasant working for government, instead of ending up the unlucky SOB lawyer at the bottom of the feeding chain, with lots of frustration and little money. Commentby Richard Pope— 4/8/06@ 11:40 pm”

For example, there well over 100 administrative law judges (the Board of Industrial Insurance Appeals and the Office of Administrative Hearings have over 50 apiece)

DSHS has over 50 staff attorneys in its child support division, a smaller number in its central contracts office, and a couple dozen in its medicaid division

The Department of Health has a good-sized staff of attorneys in its professional licensing and discipline division

The legislature employs a number of lawyers who advise legislators on bills and help draft legislation; in fact, this was Gary Locke’s first job in government

The Code Reviser’s office has staff attorneys who perform bill drafting services and maintain state codes

A few attorneys are employed by the courts as court commissioners or research assistants

FYI – All of these positions require bar membership, and most of them require membership in WA bar. Of course there are people with law degrees and bar membership working in non-lawyer positions as caseworkers, managers, agency heads, legislators and other elected officials, and what have you; I didn’t count these.

Roger that game that Iran is playing did not work very well for Iraq and WMD. Now look where Saddam is spending his time, and his supporters are now getting the shit blown out of them by their fellow citizens.

I suppose the next thing they’ll say is outing a CIA agent isn’t “treason” when they do it. It’s only “treason” if a Democrat does it.

Oh, and one more thing … warrantless wiretapping is illegal when Jim McDermott distributes a tape he got from someone else about Republican politicians plotting the overthrow of our democracy to the news media, but isn’t illegal when Bush orders it to keep tabs on his critics and political opponents.

LONDON (Reuters) – It sounds like a job for Wallace and Gromit. A “monster” rabbit has apparently been rampaging through vegetable patches in a small village in northern England, ripping up leeks, munching turnips and infuriating local gardeners. In an uncanny resemblance to the plot of the hit animated film “Wallace & Gromit in the Curse of the Were-Rabbit,” angry horticulturists in Felton, near Newcastle, have now mounted an armed guard to protect their prized cabbages and parsnips. “They call it the monster. It’s very big — it’s nearly the size of a dog,” said Joan Smith, whose son Jeff owns one of the plots under attack. “It’s eating everything, all the vegetables,” she told Reuters. “They are trying to shoot it. They go along hoping to catch it but I think it’s too crafty.”

“A great way to reduce the number of lawyers in state government is to reduce the number of prisons and criminal laws we create to satisfy the inbred bible thumpin right wing maniacs. Commentby LeftTurn— 4/9/06@ 5:40 am”

Given that many of the lawyers in state government are kept busy by the bible thumpin right wing maniacs running loose in society (e.g., welshers who don’t pay their child support or gambling debts), methinks more prisons and more enforcement of the criminal laws we already have would reduce the legal workload in state government if we took these people out of circulation by locking them up.

Puddybutt, be careful of strange looking passengers…they could be terrorists….oh my god, if puddy looks in the mirror he might arrest himself! Commentby Drivel— 4/9/06@ 8:38 am Drivel was this met to be a racist joke?

He sure isn’t a Democrat. He showed up in Baghdad (with Saddam’s permission) with signs saying:

“AL GORE FAMILY VALUES (with a cartoon of two men having anal sex)” “GO HOME (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)” “BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Hillary Clinton)” “BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton)” “FAG GORE” etc.

Does this sound like a guy who’s a Democrat? or a liberal? Don’t think so.

Actually, Phelps is a bit hard to pin down, either philosophically or politically. Mainly, he seems to be a psychiatric case. He was fired from a preaching job for punching a baby in the face for crying during his sermon. He attempted suicide. He’s a drug addict. He’s a wife and child abuser. He’s a con man and a disbarred attorney (for perjury and fraud). He’s a megalomaniacal cult leader. More than anything else, he seems to be a sociopathic hater. Probably the best clue to his political beliefs (if he has any) are his links to the “Christian Identity” religion and Aryan community, and his links to the Ku Klux Klan. Most people consider those folks “right wing.”

Roger was you over their in Viet Nam and what did you know bout this subject. Today the Nazi hunters are looking for new villains since all their old ones have been snagged. The difference today it is not the Jews doing the hunting but the folks you support daily. What a twist Roger now the villains of the Viet Nam War (the press) are now hunting your old buddies who possibly saved you but more than once.

Mike Ware of Haskins, Ohio, a veteran of the Army’s 101st Airborne Division who served in Vietnam during America’s most controversial and divisive war, reacted to an ad in The Blade last week that promoted the series of articles that started on today’s front page.

This series reveals for the first time anywhere that members of a platoon of American soldiers from the 101st known as Tiger Force slaughtered an untold number of Vietnamese civilians over a seven-month period in 1967.

COLUMBUS – A lawyer for convicted murderer Joseph Lewis Clark will try to convince the Ohio Parole Board on Tuesday that Clark has changed since shooting David Manning to death during a Toledo gas station robbery 22 years ago. Members of Clark’s family are not expected to appeal personally to the board. His Akron attorney, George Pappas, stated in a clemency petition filed yesterday that Clark asked his family not to participate

re 162: MWS: Actually, Sucker, I thought my “retort” was pretty good.I simply gave MTR the opportunity to display more of his economic expertise by explaining and defending the conservative viewpoint THAT THE OIL INDUSTRY IN TODAY’S WORLD IS NOT a zero sum game. ( I say it is.)

200 cont’d: The only thing I’ve heard from MTR is some incoherent blabber about “macroeconomics” and several subsequent declarations by him that he has won the debate and, in addition, has used “facts” to do so.

200, cont’d: Well, MTR, I thought my questions to you in #163 would give you an opportunity to flex your intellectual muscles by explaining the conservative viewof game theory and how it relates to economics.

Also, I challenged your assumption ( via the philosopher, Karl Popper ) that Economics is in any way “scientific” at all — as it has no experimental data that can be independently verified by replicating experimental data.

200, cont’d.: I say the oil industry operates as a zero sum game.Conservative economists say the opposite. Also, I agree with philosopher Karl Popper that Economics is not a science, but merely a collection of educated guesses and ideologically driven opinions.

I am saying there are no theories that propose replicable results. Therefore, economics is not a science but a series of EDUCATED GUESSES and ideologically driven opinions — albeit bolstered by cherry-picked stats. Are you familiar with Karl Popper and his book on whether social sciences are indeed sciences at all?

re 206: MTR: I don’t think you understand the implications of taking a view on zero sum games. If you say, as I do, that the oil industry is a zero sum game ( like checkers ), then you are saying that there is only a certain amount of game pieces ( resources ) and that whoever controls the limited amount of game pieces always wins. Conservative economists say this is not true.

I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm

Donnageddon: Yes you are the DULL KNIFE of ASSes! What part of Pastor Bernice King preaching the Word of God is gutter logic? Since you are the Atheist, the Bible burns? Man you do not help the librul left when you post. Utter insanity and confusion is all you blog.

“When the gains made by winners in an economic transaction equal the losses suffered by the losers. It is identified as a special case in GAME THEORY. Most economic transactions are in some sense positive-sum games. But in popular discussion of economic issues, there are often examples of a mistaken zero-sum mentality [emphasis mine], such as “PROFIT comes at the expense of WAGES”, “higher PRODUCTIVITY means fewer jobs”, and “IMPORTS mean fewer jobs here”.” – Yes Horseless Looselips – You are a mistake!

Donnageddon: Has is own Kingdom or Idiocy in East King County. Fortunately, not too many libruls live his kingdom of idiocy besides For the Clueless, Drivel, and Rujax; The four monkeys of ASSWipes!

Are you looking to expand your domain by having MTR purchase a KIngdom of Idiocy franchise? Why not expand into Kingdom of Librul Lunacy? You’d have the charter franchise right now. No one will compete with you. Do you have any investment capital for this kingdom? Rabbit Pellet has some free pellets he can invest!

Drivel said something almost nice in post 92 then made himself an ASS (what’s new?) in post #163. Yes, Drivel I used to get stopped by this one Asian guy in Seattle, but he was demoted to baggage aid from TSA! God does move in mysterious ways! Now that I am on a plane just about every week, TSA knows me well!!!

MTR, you are right. Horseless Looselips gets his economics from… Well I can’t find the URL. We had Samuelson as an economics professor at university. Off course he wrote his own book. The econ majors fought to get into his courses! We engineers needed rounding so we got first choice, which pissed off the econ majors. I took his course.

I read a lot of Thomas Sowell. Now there are two bright economists; one from each side of the aisle!

“John von Neumann proved the minimax theorem in his article Zur Theorie der Gesellschaftsspiele. It states that every two- person zero-sum game with finitely many pure strategies for each player is determined, ie: when mixed strategies are admitted, this variety of game has precisely one individually rational payoff vector. The proof makes involved use of some topology and of functional calculus. This paper also introduced the extensive form of a game.” – Found in Google

Please regale us on how oil is a zero sum game like you still chicken out on Headstart Programs on how oil is a zero sum game when the strategy set for oil always differs from zero, because as the cost increases, the harder to recover oil becomes profitable to recover? Therefore when oil prices rise, the game is not zero sum. So in closing, how is economics a two person zero sum game. You are truly stooooooooopid!!!

Puddy – C’mon… keep up here. Oil is like a game of checkers… whatever the fuck that means.

Hey Loocy – Can you explain to us how the revenue maximizing price is calculated in a commodity market facing a downward sloping demand curve? Do that and then compare current price of oil to the predicted one as calculated above. Hint: you’ll hit it within about a nickel per barrel. I know… I’ve done it.

But please explain the basic mechanics to us. Or checkers… whichever is easier for you…

PuddyBud @ 226 “Donnageddon truly stuck on stupid: Now you are an economist?”

I made no such claim! You are a LIAR!

“Higher productivity means lower paying jobs. Huh? Maybe in your field. In my field the more productive you are the better you get paid.”

This is, sadly, not all about you, PuddyBud. But if you paid attention during the past few years, or even understood economics at a childs level, you would know that an increase in productivity leads to a net lose in jobs, shifting formerly well paid workers into lower paying jobs.

MTR the only downward sloping curve a librul understands is the slope of their cro-magnum skulls when they look at their reflection. In fact most libruls don’t have mirrors in their houses because they would be screaming every morning at their reflection!

For donnageddon to make that claim in #231 he is either a serial copier of foolishness or an economist. Since you don’t want to be known as a serial copier you must be an economist. If I am wrong and you are a Sanitation Engineer instead, why are you in this conversation stuck on stupid?

Oh and BTW I asked donnageddon a question, to wit he responds “I am a liar!” You worked in the defense industry? Shit oh man were the projects you worked on land based? I hope you didn’t design rockets or rocket telemetry.

I like Castro’s system better. He confiscates the employer’s property, shoots the employer, and the workers get quality health care for free. We need something like that in America. Commentby Roger Rabbit— 3/19/06@ 3:42 pm

MTR: That’s why I fully understood the spent uranium argument of months before. We used to threaten to pour benzene on the pre-med students when they would try and sabotage our organic chem lab results. Engineers had better lab technique and we would blow the curve apart.

Yeah, all that “left join” and “right join” stuff. Set theory is WAY above moonbat level.

One of the things I really like about being an engineer is that you understand how the world works and why. Look at the moonbats here… absolutely fucking clueless about the basics… how the fuck do they get through life? To them, life is just a big mystery I guess. It must suck…

When I got my MBA, I had fun with the other students in the classes when it came to exams. I’d walk in the room, look at them and say to myself “It must suck being you… because you gotta compete against ME.” Engineers absolutely had it over all of them.

re 215: Good, Puddwhack! You at least now have a one paragraph ( conservative ) explanation of zero sum games gleaned from a website called: “Economics from A to Z”!!! Way to dig-in and get on with our “debate”! I notice your paragraph of research on zero sum games gives you the important information that “profits do not come at the expense of wages”…. That being the case, Puddy, why is it important to keep them low??

Loccy… um there’s a thing called the “labor market”. Here’s how it works.

If there are a lot of people who can do a certain job, wages are low. Since there are so many stoopid and lazy people out there like you, you and your ilk tend to gravitate toward low skill jobs along with the rest of the fucking losers out there. The more desperate you are, the lower wage you’ll accept. The reason you don’t have marketable skills is directly a result of your laziness and lack of character. If you were industrious and hard working, you’d make in investment in yourself and get some education. You obviously haven’t fucking bothered.

Guys like me and Puddy are able to command wages that some would call “confiscatory” because we bring technical skills to a job that are in short supply and high demand. We can get big salaries because we are worth it. We got those marketable skills through a lifetime program of continuous intellectual investment along with showing up every fucking day and working our asses off.

There ya go. That’s it in a nutshell. So your kooky idea whatever the fuck it is about profits at the expense of wages is fucking bullshit just like everything else you say.

Horseless Looselips: For wages, are you talking about a developing country, an under-developed country or a major economic power? Your question is WAAAAAAAY too open ended, just like the way you think. No formality, just crapola! Do you want to dwell on perceived “global income inequalities?” Do you want to discuss the impact on the 90 day stock payout and this effect? I can’t Vulcan mind meld with the librul head because in the words of Spock “The Pain oh The Pain!”

MTR: donnageddon said it around the first of March through March 6th. I don’t have the time but he said he doesn’t use wikipedia. THat’s why I posted the March 6th link. When I get to DC. I’ll post your bull so everyone can see it if MTR doesn’t find it first.

“One of the things I really like about being an engineer is that you understand how the world works and why.”

This claim is so fatuous as to defy response. Engineers don’t know shit about “how things work” and generally express incredulousness when somebody disagrees with a judgement they make outside their field of specialty. Must be something about the curriculum.

ewwww…puddy. I am so impressed you can google Von Neuman. Can you explain the quote you cut and pasted?

….didn’t think so.

Fucking moron.

Now don’t take this to heart pupster, I was just copying Vagina Lips’ favorite method of argument. Are you convinced? Didn’t think so.

Ass – … Not only do we understand everything, we MAKE everything work. Every fucking thing you use in your life was created and produced by an engineer. If it wasn’t for engineers, you’d still be living in a fucking cave.

re 276: Donnageddon: Figured out “Revenue Maximising” yet? Is it anything like charging as much as you possibly can and producing it as cheaply as you can. It’s a real brain twister, isn’t it?

And, according to Puddy’s paragraph long study of game theory, wages have nothing to do with a company’s bottom line or profit, but wages should be low just to make sure the workers are kept,”over a barrel”.

Proud He is an ASSWipe: Can you spell John von Neumann’s name correctly? Didn’t think so Dingleberry. Problem with libruls like yourself is your father didn’t pack a full load at conception. Is that clear enough for ya?

It’s been so long I heard someone call oil a zero sum game I was shocked back into the Twilight Zone of librul thought. Damn if I was home, I could run out to the garage and dig up my Samuelson Econ book!

ASSWipe: There are times I choose to BUTT in and this is one of them. So Proud He is an ASSWipe, tell me what economy you want to be a member of: a developing country, an under-developed country or a major economic power? Then I may decide to respond, ASSWipe!

Proud He is an ASSWipe: To sum von Neumann in a single sentence. I have it all and YOU HAVE NUTHIN!! You are a Zero Sum Loooooooozer! In six months I made more than you did in a year! Clear enough for ya? I am paying taxes on April 17th ASSWipe. Clear enough for ya?

Are you a producer or a consumer? Do you contribute to the social fabric of man or are you a sponge like most libruls? Damn I’m on EDT and I’m wide awake. I like it when libruls try to demonstrate they have the upper hand.

Proud He is an ASSWipe: Yeah, your librul economic policies work so well. Just look at my people in the inner city. Lousy services, lousy schools, Headstart Programs that destroy the black family fabric! Need I say more about your economic policies?

Oh yes Donnageddon. I am unpacking the suitcase and then I have to iron for tomorrow because I arrive clean, because my clients are clean! You make money in this world looking clean using your brain! When you decide to be a producer welcome to the conservative side of life.

Remember the little ditty I posted on the hard working college student, her lazy whacked out friend and her father? Think about it! Producers vs. Consumers.

So dickless looselips you didn’t answer my questions above regarding the escalation of oil prices or which economy? Why is that? Got some donnageddon on your tongue?

The oil industry was one of our senior final projects we had to tackle to graduate with our degree. Not only did we have to design a full oil refinery but we had to discuss the economics of it regarding pricing. Chemical cracking was an interesting project!

Let me help you libruls out on chemical engineering so you understand whom you are dealing with in Pudster:

OK Donna, here ya go. You should share this with Maria Cantwell sometime. She doesn’t understand it either.

In a market with a downward sloping demand, the more something costs, the less demand there is for it. Even an idiot like you can understand that right? So try this… open up Excel and make two columns: Quantity and Price. Enter some data showing fewer units demanded at higher price. OK?

Now add a column to the spreadsheet and call it Revenue. The revenue is Quanity times Price. Enter a Q * P forumula in the revenue column and then copy it down. Are you smart enough to do that with Excel? Still with me?

Now scan down the revenue column and notice that the numbers get bigger, and then they get smaller. How ’bout that. The point in the middle where the number is the biggest is called a “Maximum”. And the price where it occurs is called the “Revenue Maximizing Price”. All commodity markets including oil work like this. OPEC has economic analysts who perform this analysis and present it at their meetings. The presentation takes about 20 minutes. The rest of the 3 days is spent allocating the supply to maximize revenue.

So all this horseshit you spew about corporate greed and screwing the little guy is just that. Loocy, you should take this in too…. there is a SCIENCE behind economics, and it works. Whether you understand it or not, or give a shit or not, your life is controlled by it. So you can either continue to be a dumass or you can try to raise yourself out of the intellectual cesspool you live in and get with the fucking program.

Uh.. I had to dumb it down for you. But since you replied 8 minutes after I posted it, and you spent at least a minute or two writing your reply, you didn’t do it did you. You’re still a fucking idiot. A hopeless fucking idiot…

OK… let’s go with your theory… something about oil is like checkers. That makes a lot more sense…

Donnageddon: This is the second time I have proven you said something. In the future copy what you blog to a hard drive and life will be much simpler for us whom think right and for the ASSHeads from “Goldy’s Northwest Division of Librul Moonbats”.

That’s my phrase and if you don’t like it find Rabbit Pellet’s armadillo!

Good night donnageddon. What part of post 296 don’t you understand. I blogged an entry about your quoting much stuff from Wikipedia and you call me a liar. So does that mean you don’t quote stuff from wikipedia? If I am a liar as you claim, that’s what you are saying!

You are so confused you can’t even make out your own words. Since I am on EDT you can gladly have the last word, since I won’t be reading it. How does it feel to see your blog entries ignored?

Donnageddon you are right about my word choice but I am not a liar! I should not have said “never” just not too much. You are a protectionist consumer not a free market producer.

Dickless Looselips: I just acquired another 2500 TMs and over 5000 FFMs. And your point is in Post 308 is? Goldy can attest to me being in three different cities last night. Keep changing the subject without answering me the questions I have raised.

1.) Tell me all about Head Start 2.) Tell me when oil prices rise how it’s a zero sum game when more oil is recovered from Mother Earth 3.) Tell me which economy dickless looselips wants to be part of under-developed, developing or major economic power

When you stop rambling and mumbling about nothing, stop calling us Nazis when Post #236 proves today’s libruls are the closest thing to Nazis since Joseph P. Kennedy and answer those questions above, I’ll pay more attention to your rants. Until then you post white noise……….

And Dickless Looselips tell me how protectionism helps consumers? Since US unions tend to be protectionistic, doesn’t that force higher consumer prices? What about union people who are worthless at their job but they can’t be fired? You in the Seattle School District for instance? Is that good for consumers? Doesn’t that force higher prices? What about subsidies to farmers for consumers? What about dumping and consumers? What about export-oriented firms? Are they more productive? Do they pay better?

Dickless looselips and Proud He’s is an ASSWipe: Economics are more complicated than you lead your libruls to think!!!!

Tell me how patronage jobs in Chicagoland help Chicago consumers? Doesn’t those policies steal more tax $$$ from the poor peeps and they have less $$$ to consume? Is that a zero sum game Dickless looselips and Proud He’s is an ASSWipe?

Come on you ecomomic powerhouses Dickless looselips and Proud He’s is an ASSWipe; let’s have a discussion here. Or are you a chicken because of what I just might produce as an argument for you to consume?

In closing before I head out for the day: If what I produce was a lousy product would I be successful? Would my client list grow? Would I make in six months be $$$$$$?

I’ll take Samuelson and Sowell over Krugman any day of the week for my economic analyses. At least they don’t have to perform mea culpas in the public forum because their economic thoughts are based on sound principles!

Donnageddon: Sunday morning from WA State, then in the afternoon, Illinois. Sunday evening from Maryland. DUH! Email your ASSHead leader Goldy and he WILL verify this! Are you stupid or do you act this way on purpose? Do you project this aura of ignorance at work too? Does you manager implement hand holding direct guidance management because you can’t work alone as a self-starter? Do you ask for the next project task from your manager because you can’t think it through?

Do you own a laptop? If yes, does you laptop have built-in RF? Mine does! I also pay for Internet roaming services in airports and other hot spots! You sit on your fat ass thinking what is he talking about because you have no clue about technology, let alone cookies!!!!

When will you answer my economic questions? What is your economy of choice? Are you a blood sucking consumer or a blood providing producer?

Goldy: Donnageddon needs remedial Internet assistance. Tell idiot breath (donnageddon) what state I am blogging from right now. Perform a graphical traceroute and it should display my location. Tell the stooopid one (donnageddon) I am in Maryland. He, whom is clueless, needs help with the Internet! Maybe someone should purchase the yellow book: “Internet for Dummies” for donnageddon! In fact donnageddon needs all the “XXXXX for Dummies” books and their sequels.

Hey Puddy – Dondon claims he works in the computing field. But he already admiitted he has NFI about computing technology. He’s as much a tech person as Roger Rabbit is a lawyer. So he has NFI what you mean when you say “traceroute”. Hops and pings and packets are meaningless to him too… he’s just a fucking idiot.

Yes Donnageddon, everything in word must be perfect or you are the first to run out and claim liar! We’ll be watching your claims too from now on.

Post 42 is a complete lie Donnageddon. So how does it feel that you spread the debunked lies of Al Franken when your beloved Clinton Justice Department said the information you presented about Saipan was unreliable from the sources used? Are you his mouthpiece? Why do you spread librul lies on ASSHeads donnageddon? Does it provide physical relief for you?

Every post from donnageddon will be put on the truth test. Keep blogging donnageddon. What amazed me in Post 42 you didn’t provide a link. Why did you do that donnageddon? The citation would have debunked your argument? It was really weak right donnageddon?

You are the liar in post #42. The Saipan reference was baloney against DeLay. No references just donnageddon baloney. Now you are being called for posting lies on ASSHeads. Prove to us where you got the post. ABC News? Washington Post? Both of them were discounted by the Clinton Justice Department as unreliable. Al Franken – he used those reports. Democracynow.org or IGC.org, loony lefty web sites?

So Donnageddon don’t change the subject. Eventhough the only action you know is deflect and resist, you can fess up. Where is this Saipan expose? Who did the investigative fact finding? URL? Citation? Please explain to us how DeLay congressional decisions were keeping those Chinese women pregnant and unemployed? Please provide references or you are a serial liar, poster of bullshittum!

And Donnageddon since you love to go back into history, why didn’t you raise the issue of Clinton oil postering with Turkmenistan? We overlooked them jailing political opponents so a proposed $2.4-$2.8 billion trans-Caspian gas pipeline could be built. You love to bring up how Bush is an oil for war guy but you overlook how Clinton was an oil for jail your political opponents, we’ll look the other way guy!

Sure donnageddon the post#42 was over fabricated evidence. Admit you didn’t do your homework or you would have determined the Clinton Justice Department said it had no relevance! It was found full of falsehoods. Yet you put it on ASSHeads asserting it was true. Liar! Just can’t give up huh! Look at the real evidence in post#155.

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