Soon you will sit on the benchof those who deny I have my soulYou sell a dream you createCondemned by what you condemned beforeSmooth are the words you sing down and highUnderground is your joy your laws

Well the girl on the left may have a clear concience, but shes dead. the other girl made a mistake yes, but as it says she didnt actually do anything wrong as such - and she lived. Call me what you want but i know which girl id rather be.

Didn't really have much of a lasting impact on me. The first girl didn't really betray her conscious, she was just willfully unaware of what was going on around her, which is a different but very serious problem.

Didn't really have much of a lasting impact on me. The first girl didn't really betray her conscious, she was just willfully unaware of what was going on around her, which is a different but very serious problem.

But she DID betraying her conscious:

"Deliberately ignoring the voice of warning inside her, Trauld would enjoy her years with her new employer."

This is deep.. It definitely impacted me, it just goes to show how strong your conscious really is..

My ass. You get a voice of warning when you do something you know is going to be 'wrong.' She had no idea the atrocities her government was committing until significantly later.

The point is that she deliberately didn't care. She knew about the war, about the mistreatment of the Jews etc. She, and many others her age were excused because it was felt that they were too young to know, but the White Rose were that age and they died trying to stop it. The point is that if everyone in the world were to behave more like Sophie Scholl and her brother then perhaps we wouldn't have had the holocaust and WW2, perhaps the world would be better.

You have to strive to be aware, knowledge doesn't just fall into your lap.

"Why should we subsidise intellectual curiosity?"-Ronald Reagan

"Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."-George Washington

The point is that she deliberately didn't care. She knew about the war, about the mistreatment of the Jews etc. She, and many others her age were excused because it was felt that they were too young to know, but the White Rose were that age and they died trying to stop it. The point is that if everyone in the world were to behave more like Sophie Scholl and her brother then perhaps we wouldn't have had the holocaust and WW2, perhaps the world would be better.

You have to strive to be aware, knowledge doesn't just fall into your lap.

or perhaps we would all be killed by the people we are rebelling against. only one of them survived.

The point is that she deliberately didn't care. She knew about the war, about the mistreatment of the Jews etc. She, and many others her age were excused because it was felt that they were too young to know, but the White Rose were that age and they died trying to stop it. The point is that if everyone in the world were to behave more like Sophie Scholl and her brother then perhaps we wouldn't have had the holocaust and WW2, perhaps the world would be better.

You have to strive to be aware, knowledge doesn't just fall into your lap.

I'm aware of what the point is, I have no confusion about that. I'm saying that the other girl didn't really betray her conscious in the story.

You're right, she deliberately didn't care. In that historical context (and today, and throughout history) there were crimes/mistreatment of people based on religion and/or race or other factors all the time. Why would she think of it as a special case at the time? She was unaware of the crimes the Nazi's committed until afterwards. She did not betray her conscious in this sense, she was merely ignorant towards events happening around her.

or perhaps we would all be killed by the people we are rebelling against. only one of them survived.

If more people cared, the fascists would have no power like to kill you.The same happened in Argentina. Everyone knew about the people rebelling against the government disappearing, but everybody chose to just shut up, thus giving the government the power to make whatever it wanted.