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Ah, I see. Well, a summary then: under our constitution "the rules" are that a government has the right of royal prerogative only where that does not cut across a law passed by Parliament, and the argument here is that if this Government invokes Article 50 without a Parliamentary vote then it is breaking this rule. So the legal challenge is to make sure we play by the rules rather than change them.

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Ah, I see. Well, a summary then: under our constitution "the rules" are that a government has the right of royal prerogative only where that does not cut across a law passed by Parliament, and the argument here is that if this Government invokes Article 50 without a Parliamentary vote then it is breaking this rule. So the legal challenge is to make sure we play by the rules rather than change them.

Surely the peoples vote matters and the only vote Parliament need to do is on how we exit?

Surely the peoples vote matters and the only vote Parliament need to do is on how we exit?

No. The legal argument is that as Parliament passed the European Communities Act then Government cannot decide alone to leave the EEC or EU as it is now. That would fall foul of constitutional convention, or so those bringing the case believe.

__________________Where am I goin'? I don't know. When will I be there?I ain't certain. What will I get? I ain't equipped to say.

A technical article on the implications of Article 50 in terms of UK statute and the task of repatriating laws derived from the EU. The scale of this is huge and there are shortcuts so avoid everything being done by Parliament which might take 10 years, but these authors believe that there are risks to that because if you take Parliament out of the picture then you are undermining Parliamentary sovereignty.To view the link you have to Register or Login

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Lets go, just for a second, and envisage a scenario in which a British Parliament decides to ignore the wishes of the British people, as expressed on June 23rd, and votes down legislation necessary to facilitate our leaving the EU with it made abundantly clear that this is now a no-go.

Lets also assume that people like me are all bluff and bluster and would not go out onto the streets and take direct action but merely slink off back to our hovels and watch reality TV, muttering away to ourselves whilst eating fish and chips.

What next for British politics? Seriously. What actually happens then to our entire system of Government?

Does it carry on as normal? Do people go back to their tribal loyalties in terms of who they might vote for again?

Lets go, just for a second, and envisage a scenario in which a British Parliament decides to ignore the wishes of the British people, as expressed on June 23rd, and votes down legislation necessary to facilitate our leaving the EU with it made abundantly clear that this is now a no-go.

Lets also assume that people like me are all bluff and bluster and would not go out onto the streets and take direct action but merely slink off back to our hovels and watch reality TV, muttering away to ourselves whilst eating fish and chips.

What next for British politics? Seriously. What actually happens then to our entire system of Government?

Does it carry on as normal? Do people go back to their tribal loyalties in terms of who they might vote for again?

probably.

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The Defector looks like no other breaking pitch in the game. It is well-supinated, leaving the right hand of Fernandez at a fastball trajectory before the laws of physics cease to apply and the laws of awesome take over.

A major exercise in democracy, which enthused millions of people to make the effort to vote for the first time in decades, which empowered people to actually believe in the democratic process once again and you think that people would 'probably' let the old order reestablish itself and ignore that vote.

This country would change for ever. And in a way which nobody can truly comprehend. But returning to how things were, that I think is very unlikely.

An absolutely, genuine, 'stab in the back' narrative would be created. And by the very people who, collectively, are the most despised in this country as things stand.

Lets go, just for a second, and envisage a scenario in which a British Parliament decides to ignore the wishes of the British people, as expressed on June 23rd, and votes down legislation necessary to facilitate our leaving the EU with it made abundantly clear that this is now a no-go.

Lets also assume that people like me are all bluff and bluster and would not go out onto the streets and take direct action but merely slink off back to our hovels and watch reality TV, muttering away to ourselves whilst eating fish and chips.

What next for British politics? Seriously. What actually happens then to our entire system of Government?

Does it carry on as normal? Do people go back to their tribal loyalties in terms of who they might vote for again?

If a significant swathe of Brexit votes were more 'protest' ones rather than 'let's have a minor revolution' ones then those same people probably feel they have had their say and got something bothering them off their chest and would be now ok just to chugg along instead of putting the UK at unnecessary risk.

As for "ignoring the wishes of the British people" , Brexit is not my wish nor 48% of the other 33 million who voted.

If a significant swathe of Brexit votes were more 'protest' ones rather than 'let's have a minor revolution' ones then those same people probably feel they have had their say and got something bothering them off their chest and would be now ok just to chugg along instead of putting the UK at unnecessary risk.

So people should be content to just 'chugg' along because our betters up in Parliament decide that is in our best interests? You honestly believe that people should just accept that?

So people should be content to just 'chugg' along because our betters up in Parliament decide that is in our best interests? You honestly believe that people should just accept that?

I didn't say that. I said that some of protest voters would be ok with the status quo having vented. Put it this way, some were a lot more passionate about the Leave vote before the referendum than after. I just can't see there being an unstoppable peoples movement a la Poll Tax to implement Brexit should it be thrown into doubt.

I didn't say that. I said that some of protest voters would be ok with the status quo having vented. Put it this way, some were a lot more passionate about the Leave vote before the referendum than after. I just can't see there being an unstoppable peoples movement a la Poll Tax to implement Brexit should it be thrown into doubt.

But in principle, you think it is fine for the victory of the Leave campaign on June 23rd to be ignored by Parliament, despite the clear pledge to have the outcome of the vote honoured?

But in principle, you think it is fine for the victory of the Leave campaign on June 23rd to be ignored by Parliament, despite the clear pledge to have the outcome of the vote honoured?

Parliament is not bound by the vote. No one is legally bound by the vote. The previous government had agreed to implement it but that government doesn't exist any more (though the current one seems equally intent on acting on the pledge).

So in the case of marginal outcome, which it was, I don't think there is much anyone can assume is the correct outcome. If the government puts forward the motion and is defeated, then fair enough. Though I seriously doubt it would be defeated.

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The Defector looks like no other breaking pitch in the game. It is well-supinated, leaving the right hand of Fernandez at a fastball trajectory before the laws of physics cease to apply and the laws of awesome take over.

But in principle, you think it is fine for the victory of the Leave campaign on June 23rd to be ignored by Parliament, despite the clear pledge to have the outcome of the vote honoured?

If it is clear that it is going to be more or less unworkable and somewhat ruinous then 'yes' of course. Why on earth would anyone that want's what is best for the country desire something to be implemented that would be a significant negative for us?

We had a referendum which was full of lies and misinformation. Not really a concrete case for a seismic shift, is it? Especially as half the country, more or less, don't want to do it.

A major exercise in democracy, which enthused millions of people to make the effort to vote for the first time in decades, which empowered people to actually believe in the democratic process once again and you think that people would 'probably' let the old order reestablish itself and ignore that vote.

This country would change for ever. And in a way which nobody can truly comprehend. But returning to how things were, that I think is very unlikely.

An absolutely, genuine, 'stab in the back' narrative would be created. And by the very people who, collectively, are the most despised in this country as things stand.

It wouldn't be the 1st time though would it. After overthrowing the monarchy, it took 11 years for them to be brought back.

Absolutely. More than that in fact. Conned. Betrayed. Stabbed in the back.

And that hatred and loathing will only fester. There is no acceptance around this and I am confident that the same can be said for millions of others.

A failure to honour this decision will result in this country being divided in a way not seen in hundreds of years.

As will honouring it.

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The Defector looks like no other breaking pitch in the game. It is well-supinated, leaving the right hand of Fernandez at a fastball trajectory before the laws of physics cease to apply and the laws of awesome take over.