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India - The moral winners of the 1st Test at Adelaide?

Today at Adelaide more than Australia winning or India losing test test cricket won a moral victory.It proved that test cricket is the ultimate form of the game with more fluctuating change of fortunes than any form of cricket.

Today chasing a stiff target of 363 runs India made one of test cricket's bravest attempts or most spited challenges reminding you of a brave military batallion coming to the doorsteps of victory against all the odds.Infact at one stage with Murli Vijay on 99 India seemed to be coasting home to a famous win and again when Jayanta Saha struck some big blows to take India within 64 runs of the target.I would rank the Murli Vijay-Virat Kohli stan as one of the best ever in a 4th innings runchase if you evaluate the composure of the batsmen and strokeplay.Virat Kohli's knock may rank amongst the best ever in a4th innings run chase and arguably amongst the top 5 ever in a run chase in a losing cause.I will never forget the range of strokes Virat executed all around the wicket which included some of the most audacious drives.It was one of the best batting exhibitions against the turning ball.Above all I give all the credit to Virat for playing for a victory throughout the day and never playing for a draw.Although India lost Kohli's approach won a victory for the game of test cricket.Today we witnessed the twists and turns of a Hollywood classic with a most unexpected climax .At one stage at tea only 2 results seemed possible-an Indian win or a draw.A sudden flurry of wickets brought Australia back but it was only after Kohli's dismissal that the Aussies come back well and truly in the game.What brought the reversal of fortunes for the Aussies who were almost dead and buried was their fighting mental never say die attitude.India truly missed Dhoni who would almost certainly have taken India to victory.Kohli simply ran out of partners with no batsmen apart from Muli Vijay playing a supporting role.Even with Ashwin batting India could have crossed the line.To me it was one of India's top 5 performances of all in a losing cause.Full credit to India for coming back so spectacularly after a disastrous tour of England against a team that is arguably the best in the world on fast,bouncy,tracks.It vanquished England last summer and beat South Africa 2-1 on their soil earlier this year.True,the conditions were conducive to India where there was turn and hardly sufficient pace and bounce for seamers.The spirit of Indian cricket ressurected itself in this game.If any team deserved to win it was India.

Today I got memories of India's famous run chase of 493 runs on the very same ground in 1977-78 when by coincidence India again lost by a margin of 48 runs.It was the highest losing 4th innings total ever which stands as a record till today.At one stahe at 415-6 India looked like pulling off the impossible.At the Oval in 1979 India seemed coasting home to achieve a record 4th innings winning total of 438 runs before blunderous umpiring decisions cost India a famous victory.Had India won today it would have been one of India's greatest overseas wins ever if you ***** the conditions.9 out of 10 teams would not have achieved the victory target today and in the 1970's ,80's or 90's I doubt any team would have played for anything but a draw.The game today proved the evolution of test cricket.

I will remember this game for the brilliant exhibition of spin bowling by Nathon Lyon and the batting of Warner and Kohli.However above all it ressurected the spirit of the game after the tragic death of Phillip Hughes which took the morale of the cricket world to the rock-bottom.The mental approcah of both India and Australia won the day for the game.

if just putting up a fight is good enough for parosses these days then India has surely lowered the bar for overseas test tours. Can't say that for certainty though since I think most Indian posters would never agree to the OP. For me at least, I would want my team to win no matter what and anything short of it is a faliure. There can be positive from a certain defeat but moral victory, whatever that may be, can constitute to zlich in cricketing terms.

It was Australia and Michael Clarke who dangled the carrot for India to chase 365 in 97 overs. The vast majority of teams around the world would never give another team a target like to chase on the final day under 4 runs an over.

Australia could have completely shut up shop but I'm glad they didn't becuase it a fantastic Test match to watch. India deserve credit for going for the target, they played fearlessly and Kholi especially deserves credit for an aggressive approach.

However Aus were the dominant team in the Test match and they deserved to win it.

Nope, an epoch for a different approach in the longer fomat henceforth, maybe, but not moral winners. We were in that position of being able to win the match only because Australia declared not once but twice, if nothing else then only to dangle a carrot.

India took 12 wickets for 800 runs, and lost eight wickets in the last session of the Test.

I thought that India's top-order batting was fine - it usually is.

But the bowling is just useless at international level, and if you are selecting useless bowlers at least ensure that they can bat a session to save the game.

India and Pakistan are reverting to type. The former can't bowl, and are returning to their traditional role as cannon fodder overseas. The latter can't bat, but will usually be competitive outside Asia (after Amir and Asif return) because they can take 20 wickets.

India managed to take only 13 wkts outta 20. Got hammered in both innings and it was a walk in the park for OZ batsmen.

Then when it came to chase, only 2 Indian batsmen managed to get 50 . The other failed miserably on an absolutely belter of a track. They still had a great chance to draw it. BUT they lost 8wkts after the tea and LOST the match.

All the credits must go to the Aussies. They fought bravely. they played to win and they eventually did.

I know that a lot of Indians have somehow convinced themselves that they were somehow the victims rather than the perpetrators, but the real story of that Test was a gutless tail falling over in the final session - final over even - to lose a Test which should have been drawn.

Fast forward seven years and it's the same story. Gutless and inept lower (and lower-middle) order batsmen racing over the edge of the cliffs like lemmings.

Kohli and Vijay were fine. But most of the Indian team was as cowardly as it was outclassed, with bat and ball.

12 wickets for 800?

They should be ashamed to lose eight wickets after Tea when they only managed to take 12-800 when they bowled, in the entire match.

Grand delusion. India got 12 Australian wickets in all, and lost all 20 wickets and yet the Aussies scored more runs. There was much difference between the two sides save for the sporting declaration on the final day.

People are forgetting that it was a typical subcontinent pitch but with extra bounce, lots of overs lost due to rain and Australia declaring very early otherwise margin of defeat would've been over 200. Sorry but that's the sad truth.

I know that a lot of Indians have somehow convinced themselves that they were somehow the victims rather than the perpetrators, but the real story of that Test was a gutless tail falling over in the final session - final over even - to lose a Test which should have been drawn.

Fast forward seven years and it's the same story. Gutless and inept lower (and lower-middle) order batsmen racing over the edge of the cliffs like lemmings.

Kohli and Vijay were fine. But most of the Indian team was as cowardly as it was outclassed, with bat and ball.

12 wickets for 800?

They should be ashamed to lose eight wickets after Tea when they only managed to take 12-800 when they bowled, in the entire match.

Shocking. Shameless. Gutless, Inept.

I think not even any Indian poster is claiming the victory except the bot Harsh Thakor.

So I don't know where you get the impression that Indian posters think they are victims.

Yes, they fought bravely

But a defeat is a defeat.

And in the end they lost to a better team.

End of story.

By the way in test cricket Indian team unable to take 20 wickets outside their country has always been the case.

[QUOTE=Dr_Bassim;7360837]I think not even any Indian poster is claiming the victory except the bot Harsh Thakor.

So I don't know where you get the impression that Indian posters think they are victims.

Yes, they fought bravely

Why do you call me a BOT?

I don't deny India has batting weaknesses and capitulated but did it not stage a heroic fightback?Did not India make a remarkable fightback to come within touching distance of a target of 363 runs against arguably the best team in those conditions?I agree Australia is overall better but how many teams in such dissaray have come back so spectacularly against one of the top sides in the world?Virat's knock was classic and till the fall of the 6th wicket India looked like acheiving an amazing win.What I parised was the fighting spirit of keeping the lame of test cricket alive.In that context India won the day.Not many taems have ever come back after such adefeat like Inda who were vanquished in England last summer.

But a defeat is a defeat.

And in the end they lost to a better team.

End of story.

By the way in test cricket Indian team unable to take 20 wickets outside their country has always been the case.

I think not even any Indian poster is claiming the victory except the bot Harsh Thakor.

So I don't know where you get the impression that Indian posters think they are victims.

Yes, they fought bravely

But a defeat is a defeat.

And in the end they lost to a better team.

End of story.

By the way in test cricket Indian team unable to take 20 wickets outside their country has always been the case.

Should they be more ashamed of it this time?

No they should not.

It's a common thing.

Why do you call me a BOT?

I don't deny India has batting weaknesses and capitulated but did it not stage a heroic fightback?Did not India make a remarkable fightback to come within touching distance of a target of 363 runs against arguably the best team in those conditions?I agree Australia is overall better but how many teams in such dissaray have come back so spectacularly against one of the top sides in the world?Virat's knock was classic and till the fall of the 6th wicket India looked like acheiving an amazing win.What I parised was the fighting spirit of keeping the lame of test cricket alive.In that context India won the day.Not many taems have ever come back after such a defeat like Inda who were vanquished in England last summer.

I don't deny India has batting weaknesses and capitulated but did it not stage a heroic fightback?Did not India make a remarkable fightback to come within touching distance of a target of 363 runs against arguably the best team in those conditions?I agree Australia is overall better but how many teams in such dissaray have come back so spectacularly against one of the top sides in the world?Virat's knock was classic and till the fall of the 6th wicket India looked like acheiving an amazing win.What I parised was the fighting spirit of keeping the lame of test cricket alive.In that context India won the day.Not many taems have ever come back after such a defeat like Inda who were vanquished in England last summer.

That's the first time I've ever seen you respond to a post.

I thought you were a bot.

On topic, Yes they fought brilliantly and did higher than expected but only because of Clarke's declaration.

In fact, Clarke made this game for India.

Had he batted on, India would not have won or lost and the game could have finished as a draw.

I think you need to factor that fact, that Australia were not bowled out for 290 and Indians were set 364 to win. It was a bold batting by Australia and a feisty declaration by Clarke that set into motion a good Indian day.

Dr Baasim I wonder why you call me a bot?I have answered on many an occassion and you can check.I wish to state that I agree that Australia declared,the Indian bowling attack fragile and the Indian batting tail surrendered submissively.Without rain and declaration it would have been a different story.I am just analyzing the last day and considering that India were a team in tatters after the England tour.To be at one stage coasting home or heading for a victory towards achieving a famous win was an achievement in itself against a team not so long ago rated the best in the world.

Consider the inexperience of this Indian unit without Dhoni.His presence could have made a major difference.

Dr Baasim I wonder why you call me a bot?I have answered on many an occassion and you can check.I wish to state that I agree that Australia declared,the Indian bowling attack fragile and the Indian batting tail surrendered submissively.Without rain and declaration it would have been a different story.I am just analyzing the last day and considering that India were a team in tatters after the England tour.To be at one stage coasting home or heading for a victory towards achieving a famous win was an achievement in itself against a team not so long ago rated the best in the world.

Consider the inexperience of this Indian unit without Dhoni.His presence could have made a major difference.

Well after you acknowledge everything..

then a better heading would be...

Were India moral victors of a day 5 display in Adelaide test?

And even then I don't thing you have a very strong case, considering India lost.

Can India be proud of the way they went about on day 5 wearing pitch? That headline would have been less sensational and a lot of posters would have agreed including me.

I cringe at the term "moral winner". India played well, but they were not able to cross the line and LOST. They are the LOSERS of the cricket match. Whether it was a 48 run loss, or a 1 run loss, the winner is the winner, and the loser is the loser.

To be really honest, at one point I thought Team Australia will give up. So I think its the moral victory for Australia for believing in themselves, their gameplan was pretty clear they just wanted one wicket either Murli Vijay or Virat Kholi. If some how they managed they knew they have the game, its kinda embarrassing when some one steals the win from your mouth. And to be satisfied with this loss, I feel like India has lowered its bar. Good thing about this test match was Kohlis attitude and his captaincy, Kohli should be retained for the rest of the series.

When Murli and Kholi were on the crease it felt like they could play whole day, they were timing the ball superbly and lyon wasnt that threatening to them, ***** sharma should be dropped asap.

You needed 120 with 8 wickets left and you lost by 50 runs!! Vijay and Kohli can be proud of a couple of top class innings, the rest of the team should be ashamed. They crapped the bed when they had the chance for an historic win.

It was Australia and Michael Clarke who dangled the carrot for India to chase 365 in 97 overs. The vast majority of teams around the world would never give another team a target like to chase on the final day under 4 runs an over.

Australia could have completely shut up shop but I'm glad they didn't becuase it a fantastic Test match to watch. India deserve credit for going for the target, they played fearlessly and Kholi especially deserves credit for an aggressive approach.

However Aus were the dominant team in the Test match and they deserved to win it.

EXACTLY LOL It was Clarke's brilliant captaincy as he had faith in his bowlers. When a team declares twice and scores at 4-5 RPP, I don't see how even talk of a 'moral victory' comes into play

No. Recently, there was a "Moral winning" debate after Dubai Test also. Guys, win is a win, loss is a loss. If anything, I 'll say IND 'll go to next Test with lot more mentally drained. Indians are not fool & I am sure Shastri is damn upset with Umpiring, with his Captain & his tail. Why?

1. If IND had any chance of avoiding 4-0 without significant contribution from weather Gods - that was at Adelaide. With over 50 overs lost due to rain (& time wasting), on this absolute belter they failed to avoid defeat - one can understand their chances at Gabba, MCG & SCG

2. MJ had a poor match - he 'll make up that in next 3 matches

3. Kohli had one of the best ever performance in a single Test, still it wasn't good enough. If you loose even after this sort of individual performance, normally your moral goes down.

4. As said, Indians are not fool - they picked the Adelaide Team for a draw in mind (otherwise would have gone with 5 bowlers on that track). They should be damn upset not to survive 10 more overs.

5. OF ALL, IF AN OFF-SPINNER TAKES 12 WICKETS TO BEAT INDIA, NO INDIAN 'LL EVER BE MORALLY HIGH. Now they 'll have to face MJ, Harris & Strak at Gabba in 4 days time. Yah, Team India must be high on moral right now.

Tbh I thought Indians would get around 220-240 in the 2nds innings so in that sense they have done better than they or I thought. Overall the batting of especially Kohli was great but the bowling still lacks any belief but not talent.

No, but it was pleasing to see Virat Kohli walk the talk, It was one of best knock ever played by Asian batsmen on Day 5 pitch outside Asia. A superstar was born, India found new leader. He plays with so much passion, its unreal. Indians are relieved that he will be at helm of Indian Cricket proceedings very soon. He will be 4th all time greatest cricketer produced by India across formats after Sachin, Gavaskar, Kapil.

Today at Adelaide more than Australia winning or India losing test test cricket won a moral victory.It proved that test cricket is the ultimate form of the game with more fluctuating change of fortunes than any form of cricket.

Today chasing a stiff target of 363 runs India made one of test cricket's bravest attempts or most spited challenges reminding you of a brave military batallion coming to the doorsteps of victory against all the odds.Infact at one stage with Murli Vijay on 99 India seemed to be coasting home to a famous win and again when Jayanta Saha struck some big blows to take India within 64 runs of the target.I would rank the Murli Vijay-Virat Kohli stan as one of the best ever in a 4th innings runchase if you evaluate the composure of the batsmen and strokeplay.Virat Kohli's knock may rank amongst the best ever in a4th innings run chase and arguably amongst the top 5 ever in a run chase in a losing cause.I will never forget the range of strokes Virat executed all around the wicket which included some of the most audacious drives.It was one of the best batting exhibitions against the turning ball.Above all I give all the credit to Virat for playing for a victory throughout the day and never playing for a draw.Although India lost Kohli's approach won a victory for the game of test cricket.Today we witnessed the twists and turns of a Hollywood classic with a most unexpected climax .At one stage at tea only 2 results seemed possible-an Indian win or a draw.A sudden flurry of wickets brought Australia back but it was only after Kohli's dismissal that the Aussies come back well and truly in the game.What brought the reversal of fortunes for the Aussies who were almost dead and buried was their fighting mental never say die attitude.India truly missed Dhoni who would almost certainly have taken India to victory.Kohli simply ran out of partners with no batsmen apart from Muli Vijay playing a supporting role.Even with Ashwin batting India could have crossed the line.To me it was one of India's top 5 performances of all in a losing cause.Full credit to India for coming back so spectacularly after a disastrous tour of England against a team that is arguably the best in the world on fast,bouncy,tracks.It vanquished England last summer and beat South Africa 2-1 on their soil earlier this year.True,the conditions were conducive to India where there was turn and hardly sufficient pace and bounce for seamers.The spirit of Indian cricket ressurected itself in this game.If any team deserved to win it was India.

Today I got memories of India's famous run chase of 493 runs on the very same ground in 1977-78 when by coincidence India again lost by a margin of 48 runs.It was the highest losing 4th innings total ever which stands as a record till today.At one stahe at 415-6 India looked like pulling off the impossible.At the Oval in 1979 India seemed coasting home to achieve a record 4th innings winning total of 438 runs before blunderous umpiring decisions cost India a famous victory.Had India won today it would have been one of India's greatest overseas wins ever if you ***** the conditions.9 out of 10 teams would not have achieved the victory target today and in the 1970's ,80's or 90's I doubt any team would have played for anything but a draw.The game today proved the evolution of test cricket.

I will remember this game for the brilliant exhibition of spin bowling by Nathon Lyon and the batting of Warner and Kohli.However above all it ressurected the spirit of the game after the tragic death of Phillip Hughes which took the morale of the cricket world to the rock-bottom.The mental approcah of both India and Australia won the day for the game.

Congratulations on this "moral win" in chennai 1999 and Bangalore 1987 too. Rubbish!

Indians are bad losers and have a pathetic overseas record. They can't win anything abroad and are just trying to console themselves by claiming a moral victory. Australia played brilliantly and outclassed India completely. My prediction is a complete whitewash for India in this series, they are not going to win even a single match.

Such a sad thread really its like we are one of the associate teams and we are happy we reached the 5th day of a test match.Lets not troll ourselves.
Pathetic performance from bowlers ,most batsmen and fielding wasn't that good either.The only reason we even came near was coz Kohli going for the win and he does well when he has chase in his mind. Vijay though was a positive.

In cricket, my superhero is Sachin Tendulkar. He has always been my hero.
-Virat Kohli

india should be very disappointed. these conditions were very similar to the ones where pakistan smashed the aussies. india will get their next shot in the sydney test, i hope they play better than what they did here

If players like hack-one and rohit had even shown 50% of the effort which they do while mocking players and arguing with the opposition players then india would have won this match.

You have to walk the talk which most of the indian players aren't capable of doing. And they all look like jokers after the match result. Look at hack-one asking warner to go back to his crease. I hope he doesn't play the remaining test matches.

So are India moral victors in the second and third tests as well? India on their way to a moral victory whitewash

First Test - India moral winners with a superb 5th day chase despite taking only 12 wickets for the match and Aus declaring both innings
Second Test - India moral winners because of Vijay's 140+ at the Gabba, home of bounce
Third Test - India moral winners because of Virat Kohli's press conference sticking it up to the gor@s and managing to draw the game

What would be needed for an Indian moral victory in Sydney?

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First Test - India moral winners with a superb 5th day chase despite taking only 12 wickets for the match and Aus declaring both innings
Second Test - India moral winners because of Vijay's 140+ at the Gabba, home of bounce
Third Test - India moral winners because of Virat Kohli's press conference sticking it up to the gor@s and managing to draw the game

What would be needed for an Indian moral victory in Sydney?

Probably Pujara scoring 50 is enough for them to claim moral victory in the 4th test. Or perhaps not conceding 500 runs

First Test - India moral winners with a superb 5th day chase despite taking only 12 wickets for the match and Aus declaring both innings
Second Test - India moral winners because of Vijay's 140+ at the Gabba, home of bounce
Third Test - India moral winners because of Virat Kohli's press conference sticking it up to the gor@s and managing to draw the game

What would be needed for an Indian moral victory in Sydney?

How about you stopped taking the mickey out of Indians and actually express some gratitude to the almighty umpires.