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you give those farmer income then of course they keep making and ruin your game.

if that same money go into Anet pocket through gems sell, i think they can hire more techniction to develove anti -bot.

Botting is consequence of designing a game with boring monotonous tasks that if done enough times will benefit your character.

Botting is the consequence of people playing a game they obviously don't enjoy as-is feeling that fact entitles them to get around the gameplay by using a bot, thus undermining the entire point of playing in the first place.

Lets be honest here and look at the real root cause.

Okay, let's. The root cause is lazy, entitled players who want the best things in the game handed to them with the least amount of effort. When the game doesn't fit squarely within their "tolerance level" of actually playing the game (read: next to nil for many), they feel that it then gives them the right to cheat, hack, exploit and bot to get around it. And thent hey blame the developers for their choice of gameplay. Kinda like what you're doing in your post, squalleonaha.

The people who are enjoying the game they chose to buy and choose to continue to play don't feel the need to hack/exploit/cheat/bot because they're enjoying the game as it is.

If game companies continue to put in such "features" they should embrace botting.

Translated: As long as there are gamers who want the best things handed to them as quickly as possible, for as little effort as possible, developers just should cave and start making their games cater to them.

I disagree.

People should make better choices in picking what games they play, they should take more accountability on for their own choices, stop blaming developers for not making a game designed specifically for them, and move on to a game that they will enjoy.

It's rarely the actual players who are using bots in GW2, or in any mmo really, it's most likely a gold seller when you see a bot. Having simply a good game in your hands where people dont want to cheat will not make the gold-bots go away.

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Okay, let's. The root cause is lazy, entitled players who want the best things in the game handed to them with the least amount of effort. When the game doesn't fit squarely within their "tolerance level" of actually playing the game (read: next to nil for many), they feel that it then gives them the right to cheat, hack, exploit and bot to get around it. And thent hey blame the developers for their choice of gameplay. Kinda like what you're doing in your post, squalleonaha.

Oh please avoiding clicking a node a million times or pressing 1 to kill yet another boring mob doesn't make you lazy or entitled. Might want to look at people that enjoy this type of thing and question their sanity.

Cheating, hacking, and exploting are another topic altogether and have nothing to do with botting, the topic of this thread.

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IMO the idea of having a couple of GMs on each server daily investigating reports of bots and banning them on the spot would go a long way towards solving the problem.

I have reported the same bots several times and last time i was in that area they were still there. Whatever " measures " they have taken are not enough. GMs online banning them on the spot would be a better solution to the problem. I realize it may actually take some warm bodies sitting in front of a PC working, but it would help with the bot situation I bet.

GW2 is a good game and I will continue playing it for the time being. But their CS and communication pretty much suck.

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They use diminishing returns as a means to fight bots however it is affecting many players and in the end as more players discover how they are being manipulated anet is going to see a diminishing population and deminishing returns of players..

Then maybe they will ask themselves, is it fun?

I love the game but i really will not further support this kind of being treated like a criminal and punished like a child for playing in a full group and pulverizing many mobs and or DEs fast..

And the bots are winning this war..

I ask myself as do my friends when DRs kick in on us while the bots bot on, Is this fun?

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you give those farmer income then of course they keep making and ruin your game.

if that same money go into Anet pocket through gems sell, i think they can hire more techniction to develove anti -bot.

Exactly why selling gold by devs will never solve the problem.

Unless their gold is cheaper than the gold sold by gold sellers. But that would demolish the economy completely I'm afraid.

If devs would drastically lower their gold price, then game prices would inflate and players would demand increase gold drop in game (from mobs, quests, dungeons, selling items to NPC) and then it would make botting avabile again.

Id devs would not do that then only vaible gameplay would be : a) buying gold b) setting bot yourself. Playing by yourself would nto work.

What gold selling by devs is doing - is just increasing potential gold seller clients. Making people used to buy gold and some % of those players will sooner or later buy some cheaper gold from farmers.

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Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Okay, let's. The root cause is lazy, entitled players who want the best things in the game handed to them with the least amount of effort. When the game doesn't fit squarely within their "tolerance level" of actually playing the game (read: next to nil for many), they feel that it then gives them the right to cheat, hack, exploit and bot to get around it. And thent hey blame the developers for their choice of gameplay. Kinda like what you're doing in your post, squalleonaha.

Oh please avoiding clicking a node a million times or pressing 1 to kill yet another boring mob doesn't make you lazy or entitled. Might want to look at people that enjoy this type of thing and question their sanity.

Cheating, hacking, and exploting are another topic altogether and have nothing to do with botting, the topic of this thread.

It doesn't matter what you think - it is against the EULA of the game so it is VERBOTEN!

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Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Okay, let's. The root cause is lazy, entitled players who want the best things in the game handed to them with the least amount of effort. When the game doesn't fit squarely within their "tolerance level" of actually playing the game (read: next to nil for many), they feel that it then gives them the right to cheat, hack, exploit and bot to get around it. And thent hey blame the developers for their choice of gameplay. Kinda like what you're doing in your post, squalleonaha.

Oh please avoiding clicking a node a million times or pressing 1 to kill yet another boring mob doesn't make you lazy or entitled. Might want to look at people that enjoy this type of thing and question their sanity.

Cheating, hacking, and exploting are another topic altogether and have nothing to do with botting, the topic of this thread.

You are aware that instead of clicking node "milloion times" or botting you can just don't play the game?

There is no excuse for botting. If you don't like game that "encourage" botting then don't play it. By playing it (even by using bots & macros) you're supporting this design.

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Every single game under the NCSoft umbrella has been infested with bots and hacks!

Lineage, Lineage 2, Aion, etc. Guild Wars 2 is just next in line to be ruined by botters.

In AION they did nothing either to address the botters. Back at launch there were many days I just had to log off, as botters were just chain killing all the quest mobs in the area you were questing in. /shrug

Shame to see the exact same thing happening in this game.

Worse is that most seem to be build in the client side, so that is even worse recipe for dissaster! Pure invitation for hacking and botting! /sigh

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Id kind of like to know what some of you nuts consider "hordes" and "epidemics". You consider 2 or 3 a horde? Except for 1 location, I have yet to see more than that in an area. I get the feeling many of you never played games that had real bot problems. You could actually sit there and watch a steady train of unique bots just continue running by single locations several seconds apart all day every day.

Yes there are bots. Is it the massive widespread epidemic ruining the game with endless waves of bots everywhere you turn and a result of mor ebots than actual players that some of the drama queens would like to have the more naive believe? Not even close.

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I survived Linege and Lineage II, aion and GW2 are nothing yet compared to those.The road to success with ncsoft involved games is not how they may get rid of bots, but how you can deal with (ignore) them to have an acceptable game.

If a goldfarmer can spam the chat and two minute old characters with the same string of "url" for his site, without resorting to variations - over the course of 1 month.

It's telling enough. They lack even basic force to control the farmers and bots.

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I survived Linege and Lineage II, aion and GW2 are nothing yet compared to those. The road to success with ncsoft involved games is not how they may get rid of bots, but how you can deal with (ignore) them to have an acceptable game.

If a goldfarmer can spam the chat and two minute old characters with the same string of "url" for his site, without resorting to variations - over the course of 1 month.

It's telling enough. They lack even basic force to control the farmers and bots.

They did in GW1 and they will in GW2. I just ignore and report - move on. You don't use them, they will go away. The trick is, they need to make money, if you don't use them there is no incentive for them to sell/bot in game.

But, people are lazy and don't think that if they buy gold, there will be an consequences. There are, mostly to other players.

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Originally posted by skydiver12

I survived Linege and Lineage II, aion and GW2 are nothing yet compared to those. The road to success with ncsoft involved games is not how they may get rid of bots, but how you can deal with (ignore) them to have an acceptable game.

If a goldfarmer can spam the chat and two minute old characters with the same string of "url" for his site, without resorting to variations - over the course of 1 month.

It's telling enough. They lack even basic force to control the farmers and bots.

They did in GW1 and they will in GW2. I just ignore and report - move on. You don't use them, they will go away. The trick is, they need to make money, if you don't use them there is no incentive for them to sell/bot in game.

But, people are lazy and don't think that if they buy gold, there will be an consequences. There are, mostly to there players.

We've seen in the other thread that a lot of people were not ready to support Arenanet through item mall despite liking Arenanet, so it is not too farfetched to think that there is a significant amount of people who are not going to automatically accept a "It is not ok to buy gold from other people despite how legit they obtained it, but it is okay to buy from us" just because Arenanet says so. They simply are not ready to make enough sacrifice for Arenanet even though they may like the company; their wallet speaks higher.

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Originally posted by skydiver12

I survived Linege and Lineage II, aion and GW2 are nothing yet compared to those. The road to success with ncsoft involved games is not how they may get rid of bots, but how you can deal with (ignore) them to have an acceptable game.

If a goldfarmer can spam the chat and two minute old characters with the same string of "url" for his site, without resorting to variations - over the course of 1 month.

It's telling enough. They lack even basic force to control the farmers and bots.

They did in GW1 and they will in GW2. I just ignore and report - move on. You don't use them, they will go away. The trick is, they need to make money, if you don't use them there is no incentive for them to sell/bot in game.

But, people are lazy and don't think that if they buy gold, there will be an consequences. There are, mostly to there players.

Riddle me this......

We know GW2 can be a grind intensive game, what are the odds that some portion of the bots you see are actually just regular players utilizing bots to farm the gold they need for their own uses?

They may not all belong to farming organizations you know, in Lineage 2 many of the bots you ran into were just controlled by regular players of the game.

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Botting has been rampant in recent MMOs, I remember Aion's NA launch and the chat was simply unusable because of gold selling ads...

One thing I think blizzard has done decent with, considering the size of their game... is relentlessly trying to stop the botters and gold-selling sites... there are waves here and there where things get out of hand (spelling out sites in corpses in big cities) but blizzard never gives up, and they keep their technical analysts hard at work.

Anet shoulda learned from all the other recent mmo launches and put in countermeasures... to be crippled by something you knew was going to happen is just sloppy preparation.