really means.
If your Windows OS is really damaged so badly that any attempt to recover it using the Windows CD is not feasable then obviously you will have to reinstall it. Windows will then take over the MBR that Ubuntu had been setup to use but it's a simple task to set up for grub to use the MBR again.

However if you mean that grub won't boot Windows anymore then that's a different issue.

If you explained more what error message you get etc we might be able to help but until then ...that's it.

2. Unless you really want to get involved with grub2 then stick with grub-legacy at this stage.

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It is possible to reformat that first partition and reinstall xp or Karmic without creating a nightmare ? I was told to always install win first but that is not possible.

As above, if you install linux and then windows, then windows will take over the booting (and remember windows can't boot linux directly.) So windows first then linux is the prefered sequence because grub can boot windows and linux.

No idea what is on your first partition.

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Why do in need grub for frugal puppy installs? Just to save inserting the CD?

To boot any OS you need a boot loader. See my long post to nooby above. If you don't use grub or similar on your hard disk then you need to use a floppy or CD or usb stick, or whatever to boot Puppy. The Puppy CD can do this.

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And lastly did I understand grub for dos is included in Puppy 4XX and if so how do I access it?

No it isn't. Puppy 4xx to date uses grub-legacy. But I believe Barry is considering using grub4dos in the future.

Slitaz if I remember have a kind of .iso install that is very close to frugal. you don't even have to open the iso and take out files? But that was one year ago and it could only save to usb not to the ntfs. They have changed this in later versions.

I had read the thing you quoted from Linux Mint too but fail to get why that is like they say. I just have to trust the expertese.

every linux distro should be made so it allow for frugal install on same hdd partition as the Vista or Win7. That is what I expect. But I am spoiled by Puppy.

all three pup431jp, macpup and quirky005 boots
while Puppeee431 says if fails to find the eee-431.sfs file.

I took down all the latest files from his repositry again and followed his description again very carefully and it still fails.

that I have no psubdir= for puppeee was suggested by the developer for it. As a test but that failed too.

So very suprising this happen.

I did put all the files on a USB stick and they worked right away.

Maybe the scrip think the eee-431.sfs should be on a usb? What file can I look in to see if that is the reason it fail to find it?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

But I trust what the developer told me. It could be one of the experiments for Ext 3 instead of a generic saving to all kinds of formats.

so he will take a look at how to make it work on ntfs and come back in the puppeee thread.

Re the mint I set up in frugal mode. It failed to save book marks.

so I need to find a solution to that one. And before it boots it looks through the whole HDD and that takes time. So if one could tell it to not do that._________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

By all means, but I can assure you that your grub code would never work as it stands.

Also I have just checked and puppeee won't boot for me if I install to a desktop but quirky 005 (which puppeee is based on) will boot so it seems the lack of drivers in puppeee (it is designed mainly for asus eee netbooks) is most likely the reason.

By all means, but I can assure you that your grub code would never work as it stands.

Also I have just checked and puppeee won't boot for me if I install to a desktop but quirky 005 (which puppeee is based on) will boot so it seems the lack of drivers in puppeee (it is designed mainly for asus eee netbooks) is most likely the reason.

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Re the mint I set up in frugal mode.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this.

Depends on what you refer to here:

"I can assure you that your grub code would never work as it stands.
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Well it does work. It is the saving that I have not implemented yet.

But the code as it is works very good.
By frugal I mean that the wmlinuz and the initrd are in a subdir and the pup-43.sfs is there too and the code tell the loader to search for them all over the HDD and this it do and find them and load them up and it just works. While if one tell them where to look then one have to know how to tell them and that I don't now yet. I am too much newbie to know if it is hda1 or sda1 or sata or ide or scsi or what?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

I have Shionbar's GUI for Grub4Dos. It does work. I tried the help button and found it connect to a web site with a Guide for Grub4Dos. The HTML files were available in a zip file. One downloads and places the zip file in a directory. My suggestion is /root/my-documents. Unzips the file by clicking on it in Rox File manager. This will bring up the xarchieve tool and by slecting all buton, files will be selected. Then click on the extract button. the files will be extracted. Checking the directory with the zip file, you should see a file Grub4Dos.htm and a directory named files. Click on Grub4Dos.htm to open the guide.

In Quirky006, which has Grub4Dos, there is only the bootlace.com file. The grldr file is not present. I did a frugal install of Puppy 4.3.1 to a Windows XP partition. One can use the grldr with the normal Windows XP boot manager to start Grub4Dos without changing the MBR. It work exacting like the Guide showed.

Yes it works in WinXP. My AOpen which has XP is full of Linux. Puppy, Nimblex, Vector Soho, Slitaz, and many more.

But Windows Vista is a bit more complex. AFAIK there are still no step for step description on how to do manual frugal install of different linuxes in Vista or Win7.

so that is why I use EasyBCD that make use of NeoGrub which is based on Grub4Dos but just a variation. AFAIK it does the same thing.

I try to open the file in windows instead. That worked well.

I can understand why you recommend it. But is it really for Vista?
When I searched the biggest text document they only mention XP and older, they most likely did not have it implemented for Vista when they prepared that text.

I found this mention in one of the htm files

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Attempting to install Windows Vista to (hd1) will result in the BCD store and other boot files being written to the active partition on (hd0).

To avoid this, temporarily remove (hd0) from the system (either disable the disk in the BIOS settings or physically remove it by disconnecting the IDE/SATA lead).

Make sure that the Vista disk is set as "Master" and install Windows Vista from the installation DVD.

When the Vista installation has completed, reconnect the first hard disk and set it as "master", and set the Vista disk as "slave".

But I am not to install Vista. that is the OS that the OEM already have on my computer and which need to be retained in it's precise state to keep warranty of the computer. I talked to the support of the Acer company here in Scandinavia and that is the rules. No resizing of HDD. No partition so I have to learn frugal install of all linuxes I want to test or to use USB or CD live install with persistent._________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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