I googled "DC abortion fund" instead of clicking and sure enough:1. It is legit; they raise money to help broke women pay for an abortion2. Their "coat hanger pendant" is something they're actually giving to donors3. This has set the right wing blogs ablaze. Can't say I blame 'em.

vartian:I see absolutely no problem in reminding people of one of the actual consequence of restricting abortion.

Okay but why is it so wrong for those of us who value GOD and FAMILY and RESPONSIBILITY to remind WHORISH SLUTS of the actual consequences of having FILTHY SEXUAL INTERCOURSE and corrupting men's souls and bodily fluids?

kronicfeld:vartian: I see absolutely no problem in reminding people of one of the actual consequence of restricting abortion.

Okay but why is it so wrong for those of us who value GOD and FAMILY and RESPONSIBILITY to remind WHORISH SLUTS of the actual consequences of having FILTHY SEXUAL INTERCOURSE and corrupting men's souls and bodily fluids?

Theaetetus:Considering that the right wing wants to ban abortion clinics so that women go back to the coat hanger, I blame them plenty. Bunch of farking hypocrites.

vartian:I see absolutely no problem in reminding people of one of the actual consequence of restricting abortion.

Points taken, and I agree about the need for abortion rights in this country because of where it leaves us otherwise. I still agree with Subby that this falls under the "you're not helping" category of PR campaigns.

factoryconnection:Theaetetus: Considering that the right wing wants to ban abortion clinics so that women go back to the coat hanger, I blame them plenty. Bunch of farking hypocrites.

vartian: I see absolutely no problem in reminding people of one of the actual consequence of restricting abortion.

Points taken, and I agree about the need for abortion rights in this country because of where it leaves us otherwise. I still agree with Subby that this falls under the "you're not helping" category of PR campaigns.

I disagree... There aren't many fencesitters at this point, so you don't really have to play nice so that some person who hasn't really thought about the issue will swing to one side or the other. This is more about reminding people why donations, lobbying efforts, and pressure on legislators is necessary.

Theaetetus:I disagree... There aren't many fencesitters at this point, so you don't really have to play nice so that some person who hasn't really thought about the issue will swing to one side or the other. This is more about reminding people why donations, lobbying efforts, and pressure on legislators is necessary.

So you're seeing this as being in similar spirit to DV awareness campaigns using pictures of battered women in their ads? I can see that.

factoryconnection:Theaetetus: I disagree... There aren't many fencesitters at this point, so you don't really have to play nice so that some person who hasn't really thought about the issue will swing to one side or the other. This is more about reminding people why donations, lobbying efforts, and pressure on legislators is necessary.

So you're seeing this as being in similar spirit to DV awareness campaigns using pictures of battered women in their ads? I can see that.

Yeah, exactly. Or anti-smoking campaigns using cancerous lungs, or even anti-abortion campaigns using pictures of aborted fetuses. Outrage is a powerful motivator.

Back in the '80s, I got involved in a counter-protest group against Operation Rescue's attack on Atlanta's women's clinics. We used the coathanger with the "international no" circle-and-slash symbol on our fliers (one of my first uses of Pagemaker). I think that gets the point across better than just the coathanger.

Theaetetus:Yeah, exactly. Or anti-smoking campaigns using cancerous lungs, or even anti-abortion campaigns using pictures of aborted fetuses. Outrage is a powerful motivator.

I think the problem is that the right causes don't get stupid crazy often enough. If you could bottle that brash, loud, batshiat crazy rhetoric that so many people eat up and aim it toward a good cause or three, it'd be very interesting to see the results.

factoryconnection:I googled "DC abortion fund" instead of clicking and sure enough:1. It is legit; they raise money to help broke women pay for an abortion2. Their "coat hanger pendant" is something they're actually giving to donors3. This has set the right wing blogs ablaze. Can't say I blame 'em.

Maybe if they sold "killin's all good 'til the baby crowns" T-shirts they could raise some more dough.

You're kidding, right? How many people who profess to be pro-choice would stick to that position regardless of whether the pregnancy was 2 or 250 days along? And how many who purport to be pro-life put their money where their mouths are and use the rhythm method?

Theaetetus:factoryconnection: 3. This has set the right wing blogs ablaze. Can't say I blame 'em.

Considering that the right wing wants to ban abortion clinics so that women go back to the coat hanger, I blame them plenty. Bunch of farking hypocrites.

Why wouldn't the right wingers want to fund abortions to poor, presumed minority women? It seems that it would work in their favor seeing how they biatch about entitlements for poor, brown, welfare children and such. Bunch of farking hypocrites, indeed.

Yeah. This is not a new thing, I know a few women who have them. They're usually the true activists rather than just your average pro-choicer. And frankly the people who will get outraged by the hangers are outraged by abortion (and probably the existence of vaginas).

The end result of making abortion illegal is that women will die in botched abortions, ruin their reproductive organs, or be forced to carry grossly deformed and/or nonviable fetuses to full term and watch while they die screaming in agony.

special20:Theaetetus: factoryconnection: 3. This has set the right wing blogs ablaze. Can't say I blame 'em.

Considering that the right wing wants to ban abortion clinics so that women go back to the coat hanger, I blame them plenty. Bunch of farking hypocrites.

Why wouldn't the right wingers want to fund abortions to poor, presumed minority women? It seems that it would work in their favor seeing how they biatch about entitlements for poor, brown, welfare children and such. Bunch of farking hypocrites, indeed.

In a report titled "Summary of Vital Statistics 2012, The City of New York," black women not only had the highest rate of abortions but they also topped the chart with the highest number of pregnancies and miscarriages as well, surpassing all other racial groups.

Whereas black women delivered 24,758 live births, Hispanic women produced over 10,000 more. White women in New York City, on the other hand, gave birth to the highest number of live babies at 39,112.

As far as pregnancy terminations, black children who were aborted comprised 42.4 percent of the total number of abortions in New York City. In 2012, out of 73,815 abortions in the city, 31,328 black babies were aborted.

Hispanic women came in second behind their black counterparts as far as abortions at 31 percent.

White women were at the tail end of the abortion chart with 9,704, or 13 percent who opted to have the procedure.

The statistics show the city's abortion rate dropped 8.6 percent from 2011, and it has decreased 19 percent since 2003 and 22 percent since 2000.

Asians and Pacific Islander women had the lowest number of abortions according to the data, with 4,493 recorded among the group.

BigGrnEggGriller:Or she could have the kid and put it up for adoption, but whatever.

Yeah, because carrying a kid to term causes exactly the same medical expense, work disruption and health risks as a first-term abortion. Not to mention the mental trauma women suffer from giving kids up for adoption, which unlike "post-abortion syndrome," is a real medical condition.

dpzum1:...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...

You would think so since clinics and many schools give out condoms for free but It is not about responsibility but authority/power without having to be responsible/face the consequences for its use.

They get to say who , when and how (except of course for rape)The chant is their body their business and keeping "our laws" off their bodies except when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their body. Then they are all about reaching into the tax payers or the alleged father's pocket. and damn you to hell for your "war on women" if you are not willing to part with that money with no strings attached.