Bull81 RRT

@bigfoot I’ve never used Ramshot but heard it does good in gas guns. I always try varget cause it’s always highly recommend for .223’s but I’ve yet to find one that likes it. I’ve always had really good luck out of 8208 and it’s usually the first powder I go too for 69 gr and up pills. H4895 is shooting better accuracy wise out of this rifle but isn’t as consistent on ES and SD’s. I’m gonna mess around with the seating depths and see if I can tighten up the 8208 load.

@bull81
I shot the Tac loads in my CZ 527 and I might have shot some in my AR but I don't recall. I have put a lot of effort into trying Varget mainly because I have ten pounds of the stuff. It does ok in my 308 but the .223 not so good. I get a lot of horizontal spread with Varget and the Tac loads were easier to hit a node. I haven't shot anything heavier than 64 grains but they were Winchester Power Points and did terrible. I might grab a pound of 8208 for heavier projectiles and see. The CZ has a nine twist barrel so it may not do too hot over 60 grains. Heck, I have a couple of pounds of CF223 I don't think I have tried yet either.

Been awhile since I posted to this thread, but I just got the 223 @tscustoms built for me back from cerakote. Gonna let my brother borrow it this weekend in a match. Put everything back together and cleaned the bore real good then re zeroed.

Lowest shot was the first round from a cold clean bore, same point of aim for the second, adjusted up .3 and five in a nice little knot.
Here she is with her new paint job.

The range where I shoot some Fclass gave us a login this past weeks were we could go back and look at all our past electronic targets. These are from a few months ago when I won the entire match not just my class.

First relay. Letter represent sighters followed by number for the scores shots.
Score was 197 11x. Group size 8.41

Second relay. Score was 200 14x. Group size 4.28

Third relay. Score 200 12x. Group size 5.22. Had a couple that almost broke into the 9 ring on this one

Finally got a chance this morning to get the .223 Travis built out at distance. Rifle was zeroed with a brake for my brother to use in a match he backed out of. I was shooting suppressed so I did a quick zero adjustment on an old fence post and started stretching it out. Wind was 12-15 today so I got a feel for the wind in some 66% Pisa plates at 550 and 675. Then went 4 for 4 on some 3in gongs at 372, 383, 425, and 473. Feeling good I decided to really stretch it out and got settled in on a 20” gong at 1168 first round went left second round connected followed by the last 4 rounds I had with me. I wasn’t able to tell where on the gong they impacted or how well they grouped cause I didn’t bring my paint and the target was shot up real bad. I could just see the bullet splash on impact.

I was able to dig up the bullet from the first shot off the left side of the target

I was able to dig up the bullet from the first shot off the left side of the target

This is one of my favorite things to do after a long day of shooting.

Mine too, and I got a little jack Russel that will dig to China to get them out. It’s the damnest thing I ever seen. I have to tie him up or leave him at home cause he will go to wherever the bullets are landing and start digging. Guess he’d make a good spotter 😁

I was able to dig up the bullet from the first shot off the left side of the target

This is one of my favorite things to do after a long day of shooting.

Mine too, and I got a little jack Russel that will dig to China to get them out. It’s the damnest thing I ever seen. I have to tie him up or leave him at home cause he will go to wherever the bullets are landing and start digging. Guess he’d make a good spotter 😁

Digging up lead cored bullets may not be the best for your pups longevity.

@martino1
If he’s with me there isn’t any stopping him, I rarely let him go with me any more cause if I don’t tie him up he’s digging for bullets and if I tie him up he squeals like a pig nonstop while I’m trying to shoot. He’s getting on up in age too and I worry about him running hundreds of yards or getting all worked up like he does when he’s tied up and I’m shooting.

Ever had one of those day when shit just won’t come together for you? Well I had one today ant the target shows.
Fired left to right 23.6 23.7 23.8.
It never has liked the 23.6 load every time I shoot it it looks about like that. The other two charges should have gone in the same hole, I knew they were bad when I shot them. Just couldn’t pull it together today.

Below is 13 5 shot groups fired as quick as I could bolt the rifle. All in all not to bad total agg for everything was .438. The one to the low left of the top left dot was from an AR fired as fast as I could pull the trigger, it’s not included in the total agg even though it measured a respectable .490. @orkan my hats off to you for being able to fire that fast a print the groups you print.

@orkan
I was pretty comfortable, only issue I ran into was I shot this early this morning as it was getting daylight. The target is under some trees so it’s shaded and the optic on this rifle didn’t handle the low light conditions all that well I was having problems seeing the dots. I may could have tightened those up a bit it better light or better optics

25 rounds from the TL3. 223. Shot the bottom 2 then came up .1 Mil. Had two flyers hit on top of each other to the left, both were honest good shots so I’m not sure what that was about. I had some differences in seating pressure I believe is due to some of this brass being sized by a different whidden die that I had to return for not sizing the neck enough. That may have been what caused the flyers.

I may normal 6.5x47 load is with 140 RDF’s but I had a handful of 140 hybrids from an old lot left over from the first barrel so I decided to play around with them. Wasn’t able to get the same velocity I got when the barrel was new according to my notes but it obviously still likes them just fine. Had one get away from me though and ruined a good run.

Hadn’t posted here in a while just been busy with other things, but I have still been doing a lot of shooting.

Me and a few friends went to the CORE longrange steel challenge this past weekend in Baker Florida. I carried my new 6br and must say I’ve been extremely impressed with this little round. I’m also extremely happy with my performance at the match. I placed 13th and two of my buddies places 14th and 17th. My brother and the other guy that went with us are new to the sport and were closer to the bottom. We all had a blast though. The COF was the hardest I’ve ever competed in, the RO’s and staff members actually half way apologized for the difficultly of the match. CORE is in the process of moving offices so they brought in a guy to set the stages and COF which turned out a lot tougher than expected. I’m by no means complaining and neither were any other competitors that I saw, it was extremely challenging which made it that much more fun for me. There was definitely no “easy” stages, and every stage was designed to keep you on your toes. To top it all off we had 10-15 mph switching winds adding to the fun.

Went with some friends today and practiced on some barricade and positional shooting. One of them had a little ruger 22 that looked like a cross between a 10/22 and a AR. We had more fun shooting prairie dog poppers at 200 yards with that thing. The scope was a cheap ass Nikon with a useless BDC reticle. Once we got it zeroed in the prairie dogs didn’t stand a chance. I was amazed at how accurate it was at 200 yards. I shot a 10 round group at 200 with it about the size of a 50 cent piece. It did have a couple flyers but given the trigger was set at an extra rough/gritty need 2 fingers and a come-a-long to pull it weight I wasn’t surprised.

First relays results from Saturday’s 1000 yard match. I took a screenshot the website hasn’t updated yet with the details and other two relays. This was my 6 BR and the H4350 load shot off a bipod and squeeze bag. You’ll have to excuse the sighter rounds A, B, and C the rifle wasn’t zeroed for this particular load

Just found out that the 1000 group pictured above was the smallest group of the day by a significant margin next smallest was 11 something. Also found out it is the second smallest group ever shot at 1000 yards at this range. The smallest measured 6.6 and mine measured 6.9. The smallest one was shot from a 6.5x284 full blown Fopen rig and a front rest. Not to bad for a tactical rifle fired from a bipod and rear bag.

Not really my range report but my daughters. Me and Ava went out to shoot this morning and she wanted to shoot prairie dog poppers. Here she is tearing up the 200 yard dog. Scope didn’t have enough travel so she had to do hold overs at 26 MOA from a 25 yard zero

@flyinphill
I’ve had it for a little over a year. I had the magnetospeed before and ran them both together for a little while. I sold the magnetospeed and like the Labradar much better. I’ve not had any trouble out of mine, I’ve shot everything from suppressed 22’s to braked 300 win mags across it with no issue. It does take a slight learning curve to learn where to place it next to the rifle. Also if shooting suppressed the external mic is a must. It will work without the mic but is very sensitive to placement. Main reason I prefer it over the magnetospeed is I do a hybrid version of load development and shoot across a chronograph at the same time I do an OCW test.

@bull81 Cool. I am going to have to buy a speedometer for my bullets of some sort in the next while. Just trying to weigh options. I like the concept of the Labradar for the very same reason as you. I have limited opportunities to shoot, so being able to perform speed and OCWs at the same time would be a big plus. But it has to actually perform up to its claims or it is meaningless.

@orkan I would certainly be interested to see an updated review by you. I remember (I think on a different forum) where you expressed your lack of positive results when they first came out. Since then, I see a handful of people that had very negative experiences, and the significant majority with experiences like bull81. Not a lot of in between. It was a new product 2 years ago, so maybe the problems have been ironed out now.

And I am also curious about the external mic. Doing a search on their website I don't see anything listed as a "microphone", but they do have the "air gun trigger adapter", which appears to be a microphone. Is that what you are referring to?

BTW: Didn't really mean to hijack somebodies RRT with this. We can move this discussion elsewhere if needed.

@flyinphill
Yes the air gun trigger is what I’m referring too as the external mic. The long awaited newly released app is really nice. You can now completely control the unit without having to get up and move. It’s the first version of the app so it does have a few little quirks that they will need to work out in future updates but nothing serious

friend of mine cleared out a spot at his place that stretches out to 1355 yards. We went out there today with with steel from 450 to 1355. Had to shoot modified prone off the cab of the truck. Was able to score 3 hits on a full size ipsa at 1355 with my 223 after walking it out target to target. It amazes me how capable a 223 with heavy bullets can be.

Shot my new 6.5x47 barrel today at the 1000 yard match. Cleaned the rifle this morning and was amazed when the first round from a cold clean bore landed in the 10 ring followed by the next 4 sighters, zero shift in POI.
Wind picked up on me while I was switching from sighters to score rounds and bombed the first to rounds in relay 1. Still managed to walk off with a solid win for the day.

Also let a friend of mines wife shoot the 223 that @tscustoms built. It was her first match to shoot in but she still did very well. When she would get the wind figured out it would stack bullets on top of each other every time.

friend of mine cleared out a spot at his place that stretches out to 1355 yards. We went out there today with with steel from 450 to 1355. Had to shoot modified prone off the cab of the truck. Was able to score 3 hits on a full size ipsa at 1355 with my 223 after walking it out target to target. It amazes me how capable a 223 with heavy bullets can be.

@martino1 according to my kestrel the 80 gr VLD’s go subsonic at around 1075 yards. The 80 gr ELD’s go subsonic at 1130 yards. When I shoot this rifle much over 1000 yards I use the 80 gr ELD’s. The ELD’s seem to handle the transition much better. I’ve shot the ELD’s out to 1355 yards accurately.

@martino1 according to my kestrel the 80 gr VLD’s go subsonic at around 1075 yards. The 80 gr ELD’s go subsonic at 1130 yards. When I shoot this rifle much over 1000 yards I use the 80 gr ELD’s. The ELD’s seem to handle the transition much better. I’ve shot the ELD’s out to 1355 yards accurately.

Have you had similar experience with other calibers shooting ELD's and good subsonic transition? I've been shooting SMK's in my 308 because I had little reason to look at other calibers because I thought that the accuracy of a bullet remained in the subsonic range of the round.

@martino1
I’ve not used enough of them in other calibers to really say one way or another. I have used them in a few .308’s and two 6.5 creedmoors and they preformed very well but never shot them at out to the transonic and subsonic ranges.

Shot at K&M this weekend, big disappointment. I shot worse than I ever have before and place 59th out of 97. Completely bombed one of the easiest stages of the day. Had two plate racks one at 691 and the other at 745. They were both KYL racks and were shot in sequence first target on each rack then second target and so on. They were both pretty much inline with each other so there was very little shift in your position. The entire stage was prone. I dropped 9 out of 10 points on that stage and one of the guys with me dropped all 10. I never got rattled or rushed and made honest calls but only connected with 1 shot, next to smallest target on the rack of all things. That was the second stage of the day and I felt like something was wrong equipment wise but the very next stage had targets out to 1200 yards and I cleaned that stage with ease which ruled out any equipment issue. After the match I saw where a fair amount of competitors had issues at that stage. For the life of me I can’t figure out what I did wrong, but it was no doubt something in the conditions I didn’t see. Either way between that stage and a few other boneheaded mistakes I made, I can definitely chalk yesterday day up as my worst performance to date. In the end though we all had a blast and are looking forward to going back early December.

Everyone has bad days, or even weeks or periods of time where they are unable to perform to their own expectations.

This usually follows a period of interrupted training and improper mindset. Many things can influence our positive flow of expanded experience and mind stimulation. Health issues, relationship problems, and work stress, to name a few. Poor performance doesn't just show up from nothing. There are most often several causes for its presence. This is where true growth as a shooter can occur, or where you can plateau out hard and stall your shooting career. Mindset is everything.

Look to improve everything. Remove excuses from all equipment and processes. Adhere to a training schedule that includes meditation, dry fire, live fire, and positional training.

A more systematic approach to your shooting will allow the experiences you generate to result in competence. That competence will produce confidence. A real and sustainable calm confidence that can endure the multitude of situations a shooter can find themselves in.

Very well said fella. Couldn’t agree more with you. I’m good health wise and don’t have anything stressing me anymore than normal, not sure what happened but I definitely wasn’t on my game Saturday that’s for sure. I can’t blame it on equipment either just the driver.