tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post1280613711556260888..comments2016-12-09T17:00:37.825-08:00Comments on John K Stuff: Being enslaved to someone else's style-the Disney Lion-evolution and devolutionJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-54511362640330765432013-11-09T11:46:17.858-08:002013-11-09T11:46:17.858-08:00I don&#39;t like &#39;The Lion King&#39; much eith...I don&#39;t like &#39;The Lion King&#39; much either. I think it is over-rated, the characters are okay-ish, but something struck me about it that still made it great looking.<br /><br />It was the backgrounds. Greg Drolette&#39;s backgrounds are absolutely gorgeous. It really showed that they studied from life, looked at all the different colours, and it just plain made it great to look at. CallTParkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03277209600461304524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-22026565831379034752011-12-30T04:19:11.658-08:002011-12-30T04:19:11.658-08:00Incidentally, the author of the blog in general do...Incidentally, the author of the blog in general does not understand what he says and what the real problem with the lions of TLK, and not only with the lions. On the one hand animal in Disney movies anatomically correct, but on the other face must be expressive, and it inevitably takes on human traits, under certain angles (close to the front) it becomes evident, especially if the face is Sanekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14393364270479967888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-31475242610045708502010-06-01T12:34:35.566-07:002010-06-01T12:34:35.566-07:00It&#39;s good to hear this because some books &amp...It&#39;s good to hear this because some books &amp; websites make you feel like Disney is the be-all and end-all of animation. And I&#39;m less jealous of those that can go to Cal Arts now.<br /><br />I am working at a mini-project at the moment. I choose to design and animate a duck - mainly becasue there are pleanty of ducks close to my house. I went and sketched them and took video reference, Johnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00414115641084318334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-32596213059985138092010-04-10T12:38:27.883-07:002010-04-10T12:38:27.883-07:00&quot;I remember the movie that Disney lion was fr...&quot;I remember the movie that Disney lion was from, It was an animal adaptation of Robin Hood. What did you think of the designs of Timon and Pumbaa in The Lion King? They look, sound and act like one of those Ren and Stimpy clones that are still popular today.&quot;<br /><br />I liked Timon &amp; Pumbaa as a kid but i rarely liked their TV series who was shown in syndication across Canada. I Martin Juneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00193943985570930659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-44048053266110868912008-11-25T15:45:00.000-08:002008-11-25T15:45:00.000-08:00Wow Old Topic but I want to bring up my two-cents....Wow Old Topic but I want to bring up my two-cents. Steven Spielberg's Amblimation studio created Balto which is horrible in story, horrible in style, and an obvious attempt to steal off the popularity of Disney at the time by blatantly doing so. During the 90's, all these companies were competing ageist Disney by making tons of movies that copied Disney style. It's bad enough Disney does it butAnnie-Maehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06018785192067088406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-85229963169733951162008-11-25T13:25:00.000-08:002008-11-25T13:25:00.000-08:00Kids did not go to The Lion King in droves. Their...Kids did not go to The Lion King in droves. Their Mom needing a hit of Elton John/Phil Collins.Light Rock whatever pablum took the kids there. Then she sat the brat in from of a TV with a Video of it while she sat in the other room gabbing on the phone drinking her latte.<BR/><BR/>And unfortunately, Disney only makes their "animated classics' available for a short period of time, so they have toHans Flagonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15244291751467906313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-57420224062242664272007-03-20T12:54:00.000-07:002007-03-20T12:54:00.000-07:00You guys have GOT to be kidding. Robin Hood didn't...You guys have GOT to be kidding. Robin Hood didn't start the furry movement. It's been around a lot longer than that. Try reading a book or two.<BR/><BR/>So you're saying that the drawings that make the lions look like laughable idiots are the better ones? That's ridiculous and unfounded. That alone would make the majority of any animation fans pick up and leave. <BR/><BR/>I see here that no one Wings of Deathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-54057374495530631162007-02-16T12:51:00.000-08:002007-02-16T12:51:00.000-08:00I came/come to your blog whenever i felt getting m...I came/come to your blog whenever i felt getting myself good and mad hating what you had to say after you bashed a few of my favorite films/artists/styles a while back.... but after that last rebuttle to D'angelo...<BR/><BR/>good form. seems as if you truly love the art of animation and arent just some bitter dude with a chip on his shoulder.<BR/><BR/>preach on.Ehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12222188727648937540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-40454695296855863362007-02-16T12:35:00.000-08:002007-02-16T12:35:00.000-08:00Its kind of unfair to post an image from the cover...Its kind of unfair to post an image from the cover of a video game(Proud Family) as an example for animation. the artists who do those covers work for the video game company and not the animation studio.<BR/><BR/>Jumbiliya Studios has a really slick animation style/overrall look to their work. In the same vein as "Bebe's Kids" but ...sadly, had lost a bit of its elasticity over the years.<BR/><BREhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12222188727648937540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-88243354146667375002007-02-12T17:08:00.000-08:002007-02-12T17:08:00.000-08:00D'Angelo...By this time I am having trouble figuri...D'Angelo...<BR/><BR/>By this time I am having trouble figuring out what your point is, besides just heckling for the sheer sake of it.<BR/><BR/>>> I was just pointing out that you did hire artists from Cal Arts and that they drew character layouts.<<<BR/><BR/><BR/>So? I've said a million times that I hire Cal Arts artists all the time.<BR/><BR/><BR/>>> I assume they must have had some talent JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58608165667996830522007-02-12T16:51:00.000-08:002007-02-12T16:51:00.000-08:00"Heckler:The main artists who contributed the most...<I>"Heckler:<BR/><BR/>The main artists who contributed the most to Ren and Stimpy's "look" were Jim Smith, Bob Camp, Lynne Naylor, Vincent Waller and me.<BR/><BR/>Everyone else imitated the combination of what we invented.<BR/><BR/>Mike Kim drew in a Cal Arts style when he started at Cal Arts but then developed a really unique style of his own. He is a top talent. Jordan draws like Jordan. Carey J. J. Hunseckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07753610989754064384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-11606393987777496792007-02-12T13:53:00.000-08:002007-02-12T13:53:00.000-08:00Well that was certain to get a lot of comments. My...Well that was certain to get a lot of comments. My thoughts are, I guess it takes crappy character design to make a great animated film.Aaronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525581420179260795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-38454236915160505212007-02-11T19:04:00.000-08:002007-02-11T19:04:00.000-08:00John, you mentioned "furries". The internet just g...John, you mentioned "furries". The internet just got a lot sadder by the mere mention of them.Ethanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00674861690403770011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-19015674980295220012007-02-11T16:00:00.000-08:002007-02-11T16:00:00.000-08:00You had to rip on the lion-king didn't you. I unde...You had to rip on the lion-king didn't you. I understand your complaints, but I think you undervalue the ability of animators to work with a constraining design and make it interesting. And as for it being a copy, well, isn't everything a copy? What artist doesn't incorporate other peoples work into their own in some fashion.daveythewavey19http://www.blogger.com/profile/14911241319565714738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-15301613281501143312007-02-11T08:58:00.000-08:002007-02-11T08:58:00.000-08:00I remember the movie that Disney lion was from, It...I remember the movie that Disney lion was from, It was an animal adaptation of Robin Hood. What did you think of the designs of Timon and Pumbaa in The Lion King? They look, sound and act like one of those Ren and Stimpy clones that are still popular today.KieranMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12939097720942989067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-76733273034506083292007-02-10T15:32:00.000-08:002007-02-10T15:32:00.000-08:00Have any of you seen whats coming out of the Gobel...Have any of you seen whats coming out of the Gobelins school in Paris?<BR/><BR/>Check it out:<BR/>Burning Safari is my favorite.<BR/>http://www.gobelins.fr/galerie/animation/Ian Worrelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09534837670674874225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-86604688901186876252007-02-10T07:01:00.000-08:002007-02-10T07:01:00.000-08:00Hi John,I just found this blog of yours... Awesome...Hi John,<BR/><BR/>I just found this blog of yours... Awesome. Anyway though...<BR/><BR/>Ever since I was a child I've been a huge fan of all your work, in style, animation and everything... You, along with one of my "Amiga heroes", Eric Schwartz, made me get into animation(took forever to find a place to learn in New Zealand) but I don't agree with a lot of the things you've said on this post.<BRYosefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07863761907374307475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-2038183372841434422007-02-10T06:31:00.000-08:002007-02-10T06:31:00.000-08:00Reading over some of your views on Disney, you hav...Reading over some of your views on Disney, you have to look at the facts, not the rumors. The fact is, Disney has chosen to stop evolving in traditional animation. They had plans to kill off 2D animation altogether after their port of "Valient" was such a success. The plan was to eliminate 2D for the cost effective 3D keeping only enough staff to finish the current lineup of Disney television Zaidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14509572426191217262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-9439405215728292422007-02-10T06:09:00.000-08:002007-02-10T06:09:00.000-08:00I've been watching this blog for some time and thi...I've been watching this blog for some time and this is the first occasion I've felt moved to post. For years, there has been a disturbing trend in animation. Everyone seems to have run out of influences. I can't quite put my thumb on when this happened, but I know it was sometime in this decade. In the nineties, animators seemed to be caught in a web of confusion. After the 1991 release of BeautyZaidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14509572426191217262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-28503959390626963332007-02-09T17:52:00.000-08:002007-02-09T17:52:00.000-08:00If we're talking masturbatory cartoon fantasies, s...<I>If we're talking masturbatory cartoon fantasies, so many cartoon artists have trumped Disney, it's not funny but that's not the argument, you're now acting like a pure troll. </I><BR/><BR/>Sorry, but you were the one making accusations about me being Disney defender. What I was getting at before was how the characters Ariel and Belle are remembered for something besides whom their voice Mr. Semajhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11041057754832253584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-23600662992089083532007-02-09T13:48:00.000-08:002007-02-09T13:48:00.000-08:00Here it is - the afore-mentioned Chuck Jones lion ...Here it is - the afore-mentioned Chuck Jones lion character layout drawing, courtesy of Steve Worth at ASIFA-Hollywood:<BR/><BR/>http://www.animationarchive.org/pics/lion-big.jpgmike f.http://www.blogger.com/profile/02685917448327606335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-67027532377243727112007-02-09T12:57:00.000-08:002007-02-09T12:57:00.000-08:00This is a good exercise for tracing back influence...This is a good exercise for tracing back influence. The other day I found a book illustrated by Edmund Dulac and it reminded me of some work being done today by James Jean. Thanks for the insight.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01366110365982539652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-54135046321694732012007-02-09T12:54:00.000-08:002007-02-09T12:54:00.000-08:00I just posted some lion images from the archive po...I just posted some lion images from the archive posts from the past year or so, along with an original Chuck Jones layout drawing from Inki And The Lion.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.animationarchive.org/2007/02/cartoons-cartoon-lions.html" REL="nofollow">Archive: Cartoon Lions</A><BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>SteveStephen Worthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-11015545138916157602007-02-09T12:41:00.000-08:002007-02-09T12:41:00.000-08:00mr semaj said:I don't know Please repeat that seve...mr semaj said:<I>I don't know </I><BR/><BR/>Please repeat that seventy or eighty times as your new mantra. How can you honestly read and follow this blog and still defend Disney? You do understand what John K's blog is about, don't you? I'm not saying you shouldn't be on it, nor shouldn't read it, I'm puzzled how can you read his blog and then defend what Disney does, has done and will continue lastangelmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13825794418150920412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-36656498019834354992007-02-09T12:02:00.000-08:002007-02-09T12:02:00.000-08:00I have to say I'm tad offended by hearing Tim Burt...I have to say I'm tad offended by hearing Tim Burton and Pixar being considered "CalArts style".<BR/><BR/>Oh, I plan to work for Disney/Pixar (or "Pixsney" as I like to call them now), but after I mastered Preston Blair's book, and your lessons on the ASIFA archive.John Pannozzihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01533256044605730722noreply@blogger.com