Here's my dilemma. I don't know enough about Cain to give him my vote. He has no record and some of his comment on the second amendment and abortion make me pause.I'm not gonna vote for a candidates advisers.

Newt, maybe but I still see signs of old Newt, detached from reality of the conservative.

Mitt,well, you know.

Perry is who I am backing till the end. He would have to drop out for me to move on because in my mind there is not a viable candidate. Herman Cain is not it.

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posted on 11/10/2011 10:54:24 AM PST
by normy
(Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)

Despite the ardent support of fans here on FR, Perry cant seem to rise above the ~10% polling support he enjoys now.

It has been running a tad bit lower more often than not in the past few weeks. Actually for a marginally moderate Republican he might have done better if he had woke up and paid attention to the issues of concern to those in his targeted base. I mean like, when 78-82% of the nation has voiced some form of support for reducing the illegal alien population and closing the border by using different methods Perry jumps right out there and sticks his finger in the collective eye of the nation. That was his worst screw up IMO and it has been downhill ever since.

He then struck out with the Grey Panther brigade with his maybe technically correct description but poorly chosen words attacking SS when such a very large percentage of working Americans reaching retirement age and counting on SS being there for them. Perry has continually failed to take the pulse of the nation before stepping out and tripping all over his manhood.

It would seem to me that he should have fired his campaign advisers as they seem to be a bunch of high school rookies without a hint of knowledge running a Presidential campaign. I'm afraid he has finally just done himself in and may make it to primary day but I rather doubt it. Future candidates should study Perry's campaign to learn from all his mistakes and they are numerous and still mounting.

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posted on 11/10/2011 10:59:55 AM PST
by Ron H.
(Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)

Are you willing to concede that over 10 years, the Governor has only 5 issues that you disagree with? (In the meantime, he’s handled 9-11, Rita, Katrina, Ike, floods, wild fires, and defended life and marriage, lowered spending, prevented a State income tax, fought off William Wayne Justice and his brothers in the Federal Courts, opposed the EPA, fought ICE and their determination to bring illegal aliens convicted of other crimes to dump in Texas, and managed to keep our economy strong and our debt the second lowest in the Nation.)

He yielded - not quickly, but definitively - on the mandate for Gardasil and the TTC. He’s had plenty of time to fight those battles again, if he wanted. (Even in February, 2007, when he issued his EO, he made it easier for parents to opt out of all vaccines and girls eligible for the Federally mandated Vaccines for Children - Medicaid, CHIPs, Indian Health Service and un- or under-insured - were already receiving Gardasil free of charge to them.)

He has been to one La Raza meeting in San Antonio when he accepted the invitation to speak at their National Convention, as Governor of Texas. For that same reason, he accepted a gift from (what year was that?) and has met with the leaders of our Texas neighbor and largest trading partner, with whom we share 1200 miles of border. The only “coddling” is the in state tuition.
He has worked with the most moderate sect of Islam, that does not support any of the horrors of mainstream, much less jihadist, Islam. I’ve never heard or read that any of the events were “racist.” Can you give examples?

The fence slows down invaders, the estimate is 4 minutes, which may be useful in populated areas or where the border patrol can respond in time. However, it’s less effective than the river (a de facto moat) is. The fence must be built inside the flood plain, which means a mile from the border in places.

Those issues are at the heart of what ails America. No respect for our border, no respect for the rights of parents, no respect for provate property, no respect for the fact that Islam and the Constitution are incompatable...need I go on?

Is there a point? Bescaue if you disagree there really is no point in me talking to a person refusing to accept the reality that surrounds them.

1 LaRaza meeting is one too many. Catering to racists is idiocy.

Your economy is built and maintained by cheap illegal labor that floods out across the countryy and results in gangs, crime and dead Americand thanks to things like SB1070 ‘not being right for Texas”. Yup, CODDLED. As in does everything he can to NOT do what is needed to actually fix the problem.

He was forced by the legislature to ‘yeild’ on guardasil and then trashed them for smacking him down.

Your Largest trading partner? So it’s OK that Americans are killed by castoffs of our great neighbor as long as your illegal dominated economic miracle thrives?

Lastly, explain to me how China built a ‘fence’ a thousand plus years ago that worked to this very day and we the mighty America can’t.

What side of the border do your loyalties lie btw? You sure don’t act like an American that loves his country with ‘logic’ like that.

It seems that we are again in the process of letting the MSM and the left control our nominee selection process.....

Unlike you, I see Herman Cain as the best of the rest....

Sarah Palin, of all the candidates/potential candidates represented me best, but the Dems/MSM went all out to destroy her on the national stage....the same thing they are in the process of doing to Herman Cain....

All that vetting (sic) of Republican candidates, yet not a peep about an ineligible Creep in Chief...... makes ya wonder.......yeah, I know the answer to that.......the socialist bias of the Fourth Estate.

We need Conservative’s to encourage their children to enter Journalism/Education and to run for local elective offices....grass roots ground game may take a few decades but will certaintly renew our Republic......

I, for one, have had enough.....time for us to abandon Marques of Queensbury rules and learn the art of political street fight’n.......

Even if all the things you say are 100%, Perry has shown himself to be less than desirable as a nominee for the National Chief Executive......legitimate reasons or not, Perry has not be able to gain traction nationally. I have a hard time seeing him changing the national perception of him......

Sad, but earlier this year I had hoped to be able to vote FOR a Republican Candidate.........

.......as it stands it looks like I’ll be voting against Obama instead....... As I said sad.....

Do not question my loyalty to the United States of America; that is intolerable.

All of your points are skewed toward your own bias:
You turn normal relations with a neighboring country to correct problems and build the economy by trade into acceptance of crime.
You turn making it easier for parents to exercise their right to opt out a lack of respect for parental rights.
You interject the falsehood that Texas’ economy is based on illegal labor.

China did not have the Rio Grande and I sincerely doubt that the Great Wall was built a mile inside the border they wished to defend.

“We need Conservatives to encourage their children to enter Journalism/Education “

As a vet of the MSM on the regional newspaper level, I’ll relate a story. Our editor had a standard speech that he gave to the new J school hires. It began with the following...

“Forget everything you were taught. This is how I do things.”

The MSM is controlled by two things. Ad revenue and the whim of the publisher. The former is secondary to the later and I lived through one once publishing group run itself into near bankrupcy so the Publisher could see his agenda played out. Two really but that’s another story.

My point is that unless those kids own the media outlets, their conservatism will be supressed. Hard. I cannot tell you how many of my honest stories were spiked so as to not upset one friend of the Publisher or another. And every reporter in that office could tell you the same...if they were still there. Many left out of integrety and the rest laid off. Today there are 4 where there were once more than a dozen. What’s left is real accomodating to keep their jobs.

So could I. The verbal gaffes are annoying, but it’s his actual real world actions that disqualify him for me. For every conservative position he has (and he does have some) there are lib positions that cancel them out. Like his illegal/border/LaRaza stuff.

His supporters dismiss these issues out of hand or excuse them with a number of rationalles over and over again, but his poll numbers show that the overwhelming majority sees him as someone not fit to lead the country. That’s the bottom line.

The last two national polls released had Cain and Romney virtually tied. One was 27-28 and one was 21-21.

The same polls had Gingrich 13 to Perry 10 and Gingrich 12-Perry 11.

I don't know what polls you're referring to, but all of the national polls that have recently been posted here, show Cain with a nearly commanding lead over Romney, with Newt not far behind in third place.

Perry has been hovering around 8% for at least a couple of weeks. He's officially in the second tier, as far as poll numbers go, and is battling it out with the likes of Ron Paul.

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posted on 11/10/2011 5:29:31 PM PST
by Windflier
(To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)

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