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Obama Behind the 8 Ball?

Barack Obama says he supports marriage defined as being between a man and a woman, as he has said in several forums and interviews. Then, he pads his comments by saying California’s Proposition 8 was unnecessary.

“I’ve stated my opposition to this,” the Senator said in response to a question from a viewer in San Leandro, California. “I think it’s unnecessary. I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and I’m not in favor of gay marriage, but when you start playing around with constitutions just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person…it just seems to me that that’s not what America is about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don’t contract them.”

First, he was for traditional marriage, then he was against it? Or kind of a mixed bag of positions?

I have to say I’m equally disappointed with Obama. He needs to come out much stronger against prop 8. It’s unconstitutional and disgusting, and his flip-flopping on such an obvious issue is disgraceful. Politicians are annoying, no matter what party they are from.

He is Clinton II. He’ll say anything to anyone depending on the moment, and his loyal followers don’t call him on it.

How could he oppose Prop 8, which codifies exactly what he says he is for? The people tried once, rogue judges overruled it, the people tried a second time, and now we’ll see what tricks the judges use.

Well you know those rogue judges. Protecting the Constitution and all that ‘wacky’ stuff. I mean, gosh, what if we wanted to ban one of those stupid heathenn religions, like Judaism or something. And then we run all of our misinformation ads and infuse millions of illegal dollars from churches to threaten the populace into voting for it. And then some stupid judge goes “oh yeah, you can’t actually do that, it’s illegal.” Gosh, they should stop doing their job like that.

He can be against prop 8 and not like gay marriage. He thinks gay marriage is wrong, BUT that Prop 8 is unconstitutional (which it is)
It’s not a flip flop, it makes sense actually. I don’t like him much for it because I’d prefer he was for gay marriage, but arguing that he is flip floping shows a poor understanding of the possibility and sensibility of his position.

It doesn’t codify what he is for because he ISN’T for banning gay marriage. He doesn’t like it, but he sees there as being no choice. Otherwise, as I’ve said, it is unconstitutional.

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Why what do you know.

Are you implying that it is impossible for a constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional? Of course it is possible.

What if I passed an amendment re-legalizing slavery? That would be unconstitutional. One that banned the practicing of Judaism? That would be unconstitutional. I’m not saying you can’t pass contradictory amendments, you can (Prohibition, repeal of prohibition) but doing so goes against the very document and is, well, not smart. It invalidates the earlier part that was written. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather KEEP the part of the constitution making sure that no State shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property.” I mean, it is the part forbidding slavery. I’m rather attached to it, actually.

Maybe unconstitutional is the wrong word. Maybe the right word is “unamerican,” “contradictory,” “foolish,” or “facism”

Do you realize how your hyperbole undermines your arguments? Using your terms, America was un-American and fascist from its inception until a few judges decided to make the gov’t recognize oxymoronic “same sex marriage.”

And please show me where California is stopping you from having a “gay marriage.” The apostate Episcopals will even perform it in their church for you. California even gives you Civil Union benefits. All Prop 8 does is say that the gov’t doesn’t need to apply the term “marriage” and that brings the pro-gay folks out with all sorts of threats and false accusations of hate.

” * Changes the California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry in California.
* Provides that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” – Prop 8