I would simply like to take the opportunity to state in this thread that the Seattle Seahawks are the greatest team in the history of ever and their fans are the best fans ever, in any sport, and Seattle is the greatest city in the history of cities.

Oh, and Peyton Manning is overrated and no one should have ever speculated on his legacy before the Suberb Owl.

Skleenar:I would simply like to take the opportunity to state in this thread that the Seattle Seahawks are the greatest team in the history of ever and their fans are the best fans ever, in any sport, and Seattle is the greatest city in the history of cities.

Oh, and Peyton Manning is overrated and no one should have ever speculated on his legacy before the Suberb Owl.

This is one of those rare win-win situations. Denver gets a talented coordinator and someone who can step up if Fox's health should take a turn for the worse. He gets a cushy position on a Superbowl contender while he awaits his next head coaching gig. It is not inconceivable that he becomes Denver's next head coach, depending on how events play out.

The Broncos certainly need more D talent, but they didn't get whacked because of it. They got whacked because they can't/don't/won't run the damn ball and honestly, they choked. The moment was too big for them.

Mikey1969:OK, I know Denver had the #1 Offense and Seattle the #1 Defense going into the game. What was Denver's overall defense rating for the season?

For the year they were 10th overall:9th against the runVery good defensive front against the run, but not a very good pass rush.21st against the pass.Generally average against most receivers, but very very bad against slot receivers.

The Broncos certainly need more D talent, but they didn't get whacked because of it. They got whacked because they can't/don't/won't run the damn ball and honestly, they choked. The moment was too big for them.

Congrats Hawks fans, that was an impressive beatdown.

Broncos fans should watch the NFL SFX presentation of the Super Bowl. From the very start, the Broncos had absolutely no desire to win, and once Seattle challenged them, they just fell apart. Seattle exposed a lot of their weaknesses, and all the Broncs could do was sit back and watch. Hell, even John Fox was like ....uhhhhh... sometime around the second quarter.

\pretty sure the top 4 NFC teams would've thumped Denver\\SF probably would have been high scoring

Shame Us:Mikey1969: OK, I know Denver had the #1 Offense and Seattle the #1 Defense going into the game. What was Denver's overall defense rating for the season?

Mid-level overall. Good run defense, not so hot pass defense. They played really well defensively leading up to the SB.

Nana's Vibrator:Mikey1969: OK, I know Denver had the #1 Offense and Seattle the #1 Defense going into the game. What was Denver's overall defense rating for the season?

For the year they were 10th overall:9th against the runVery good defensive front against the run, but not a very good pass rush.21st against the pass.Generally average against most receivers, but very very bad against slot receivers.

Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

jst3p:Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

We've secretly replaced the Broncos offensive line with Folgers Crystals. Let's see if anyone notices.

jst3p:Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

I really like Manning, he seems like a cool guy, and he has some serious chops, despite what any haters may say... AND he's not Tom Brady, which gets him even more points from me.

jst3p:Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

It sounds like, from the people who have looked at the All-22 tape, that there were open receivers deep for Manning, but the defense wasn't all that concerned about downfield shots and instead cheated toward the short passes and screens. I guess they were right.

IAmRight:sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.

If I remember correctly, Seattle had the best offense in the "big play" categories, with gains of 15 or 20+ yards. And we've seen it all season: if you give Wilson time (or if he creates his own time), and you keep focusing on Lynch, then he WILL burn you, and then some. If you drop back to defend the pass, Lynch WILL burn you. It's very much a pick your poison that forces the opposing defense to play well in all aspects on its game and never make a mistake.

whizbangthedirtfarmer:IAmRight: sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.

If I remember correctly, Seattle had the best offense in the "big play" categories, with gains of 15 or 20+ yards. And we've seen it all season: if you give Wilson time (or if he creates his own time), and you keep focusing on Lynch, then he WILL burn you, and then some. If you drop back to defend the pass, Lynch WILL burn you. It's very much a pick your poison that forces the opposing defense to play well in all aspects on its game and never make a mistake.

It helped that Champ Bailey was really off his game too. He got burned a few times.

russell wilson tied the so awesome peyton mannings rookie record of td passes. finished as a top 10 fantasy qb both years. super efficient. WHEN they do ask him to be andy luck, he does. he did it lots last year. this year our defense was just insane, so he generally didn't have to do that much.

btw: mannings 3ish passes that he did attempt that travelled 20+ yards in the air were never even close to the intended receiver. so why would he have any confidence in his deep ball vs seahawks. and why would the seahawks be remotely worried about his deep ball?

unrelated: watching some of the highlights with players and coaches mic'd up. HOW john fox said "they are so fast" pretty much said it all. it was the tone of a man who was past amazed. because he'd been seeing it first hand all day. but the realization that they never had a chance to win this game.

The Broncos certainly need more D talent, but they didn't get whacked because of it. They got whacked because they can't/don't/won't run the damn ball and honestly, they choked. The moment was too big for them.

Congrats Hawks fans, that was an impressive beatdown.

Broncos fans should watch the NFL SFX presentation of the Super Bowl. From the very start, the Broncos had absolutely no desire to win, and once Seattle challenged them, they just fell apart. Seattle exposed a lot of their weaknesses, and all the Broncs could do was sit back and watch. Hell, even John Fox was like ....uhhhhh... sometime around the second quarter.

\pretty sure the top 4 NFC teams would've thumped Denver\\SF probably would have been high scoring

i wasn't surprised, the Broncos never played grind-it-out football this year, they weren't mentally or physically conditioned to handle that kind of adversity for 4 quarters... the Seahawks have been playing that brand of football for years and snuffed out that offense quickly... the Bronco defense still played fine, they only allowed 13 points in the first half which isn't a blowout, but when the offense and special teams are -15 points in a matter of seconds there's not much point in fighting the inevitable

IAmRight:Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.

You just wait, smart guy. Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.Denver is an interesting case, because while Manning and Bailey make obscene amounts of money, most everyone else (if the source is reliable) makes a modest enough salary, save for maybe the two tight ends not named Thomas also make a combined $6+ mil.

Shame Us:jst3p: Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

It sounds like, from the people who have looked at the All-22 tape, that there were open receivers deep for Manning, but the defense wasn't all that concerned about downfield shots and instead cheated toward the short passes and screens. I guess they were right.

True, it didn't help that when they weren't getting Peyton they were still pushing the pocket around keeping moving.

Nana's Vibrator:You just wait, smart guy. Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.

Oh, I know. That's why I wanted this one so much. Yeah, you can be in a position to have a chance for a long time...but none of that sh*t is guaranteed. Get them while you can - as amazing as it is to do this with a bunch of Day 2/Day 3/undrafted guys, it's ridiculous to think they're somehow going to keep doing it, especially as guys get hired off the staff and look for the same things in players.

Shame Us:jst3p: Mikey1969: Thanks guys... Not as bad as the headline states, but still overmatched. Although I think it was more that Seattle was able to keep Peyton off guard the whole time that set everything.

This was the biggest factor. When Manning has time he finds someplace to go with the ball. He had no time all game aside from the one drive where Seattle may have been feeling sorry for us.

It sounds like, from the people who have looked at the All-22 tape, that there were open receivers deep for Manning, but the defense wasn't all that concerned about downfield shots and instead cheated toward the short passes and screens. I guess they were right.

it was brought up pre-super bowl that what made Peyton's protection at the O-Line so great was his quick release - and his quick release is thanks to the short-yardage YAC passing game the Broncos have been running all year... if a defense snuffs out those high-percentage throws, then the O-Line gets exposed because every meaningful throw is a drop-back... Seattle also took away the sideline throws, so Peyton's throwing deeper balls into traffic - i don't blame them for not worrying

reminds me of what happened to Dan Marino in XIX - the 49er defense took away his quick release targets and as a result made those O-Linemen protect longer than they were capable of protecting and that led to lots of sacks and a shutout in the 1st half

whizbangthedirtfarmer:IAmRight: sotua: However, (an unexpectedly, I might say) Wilson torched them a few new assholes.

Perhaps some day people will notice that the Seahawks have a good passing offense - they just don't gun it 40x/game like other teams.

If I remember correctly, Seattle had the best offense in the "big play" categories, with gains of 15 or 20+ yards. And we've seen it all season: if you give Wilson time (or if he creates his own time), and you keep focusing on Lynch, then he WILL burn you, and then some. If you drop back to defend the pass, Lynch WILL burn you. It's very much a pick your poison that forces the opposing defense to play well in all aspects on its game and never make a mistake.

Denver's secondary was supremely overrated in the playoffs, both the Chargers and Pats were relying a lot on running the ball as part of their game plans and Denver exposed those as stoppable... as soon as the Pats and Chargers started throwing the ball, guys were open

lo and behold, the Denver defense in the super bowl stopped Lynch from getting chunk yardage, but allowed quite a lot of chunk passing yardage

Nana's Vibrator:IAmRight: Anyway, Denver's defense is decent but it'd probably help if they had Harris and Miller healthy. Or if they had the extra $20 million or so that the Seahawks do because of the QB pay differential.

You just wait, smart guy. Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.Denver is an interesting case, because while Manning and Bailey make obscene amounts of money, most everyone else (if the source is reliable) makes a modest enough salary, save for maybe the two tight ends not named Thomas also make a combined $6+ mil.

AdamK:Denver's secondary was supremely overrated in the playoffs, both the Chargers and Pats were relying a lot on running the ball as part of their game plans and Denver exposed those as stoppable... as soon as the Pats and Chargers started throwing the ball, guys were open

lo and behold, the Denver defense in the super bowl stopped Lynch from getting chunk yardage, but allowed quite a lot of chunk passing yardage

Slackfumasta:Mikey1969: OK, I know Denver had the #1 Offense and Seattle the #1 Defense going into the game. What was Denver's overall defense rating for the season?

It doesn't matter; with a good enough offense you can easily win a Super Bowl.

Not if your entire offense is kept off balance and out of sync the whole game. While Seattle was good this year, you can't expect me to believe that the entire Broncos season was spent playing the Cardinals. They had a good offense, but Seattle kept that good offense from having any impact by knocking them off kilter from the second snap(I don't think Seattle forced the bad snap that led to the safety).

IAmRight:Nana's Vibrator: You just wait, smart guy. Not all of those Seahawks will be playing at discounted rates forever.

Oh, I know. That's why I wanted this one so much. Yeah, you can be in a position to have a chance for a long time...but none of that sh*t is guaranteed. Get them while you can - as amazing as it is to do this with a bunch of Day 2/Day 3/undrafted guys, it's ridiculous to think they're somehow going to keep doing it, especially as guys get hired off the staff and look for the same things in players.

Just keep hitting on those Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Let the high-priced vets move on (Rice, Clemons, Miller and eventually Lynch); give the big bucks to the players who have it coming; and fill the voids left by the departed veterans with the aforementioned Day 2/Day3/undrafted guys. Fill remaining gaps with strategic free agent signings from the long list of players who want to play for Pete Carroll. Rinse, repeat, win forever.