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Nvm, Samsung and GloFo were both working on it, so there is already two 5nm players in the game right now.

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The new process will be presented in detail at the 2017 Symposia on VLSI Technology and Circuits conference in Kyoto, Japan this week. IBM worked with partners Samsung and Globalfoundries to achieve the breakthrough, which ditched the commonly used FinFET architecture replacing it instead with stacks of silicon nanosheets. IBM worked to perfect nanosheet semiconductor technology for over a decade.

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Show me dat 96 skylake vs 128 Zen 2 cause AMD will be selling that when Intel is selling Cascade

Icelake will be wider, but I'd heard it was only going to be 32 cores. Considering the delays, I wonder if they'll be coming back with 40c in a monolithic form. Intel is supposed to go Chiplet from Sapphire Rapids, which is the Server-based entirely redesign core structure in 2022 range.

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Icelake will be wider, but I'd heard it was only going to be 32 cores. Considering the delays, I wonder if they'll be coming back with 40c in a monolithic form. Intel is supposed to go Chiplet from Sapphire Rapids, which is the Server-based entirely redesign core structure in 2022 range.

Icelake is gonna be going up against Zen 3 so glhf intel. Sapphire Rapids is facing off against Zen 4 which is supposed to be YUGE

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Icelake is gonna be going up against Zen 3 so glhf intel. Sapphire Rapids is facing off against Zen 4 which is supposed to be YUGE

It wasn't supposed to, haha.

On the current timeline, Icelake-SP would land about a year after Rome does, which is about a year before Milan/Zen3. That's assuming the Icelake can actually provide enough performance per socket. While it's a "Tock" from Intel, it's not going to be a huge uplift. And, as you mentioned, AMD will be coming back with upgrades quickly as well.

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On the current timeline, Icelake-SP would land about a year after Rome does, which is about a year before Milan/Zen3. That's assuming the Icelake can actually provide enough performance per socket. While it's a "Tock" from Intel, it's not going to be a huge uplift. And, as you mentioned, AMD will be coming back with upgrades quickly as well.

At 64 Cores there's no way intel will be able to beat it per socket even with Ice Lake I think. So, we'd get Rome and Icelake with Zen 3 on the horizon, except that Icelake is gonna cost alot because it's still gonna be Monolithic dies. This is where intel falls apart. Lets see what they do when 16 core Ryzen 3rd gen comes out for Holiday 2019

This drove me nuts. I got a 2500k about midway through it's lifecycle, and the performance jump was so much from the previous gen. Then Ivybridge came along and didn't offer that much of an upgrade and of course the infamous switch to toothpaste thermalpaste inside meant it was hotter. The next gen required a new motherboard and I kind of got landlocked in, and so on for the next 5 years, and what I really wanted was a 6 or more core processor with a good uplift, but Intel locked that behind HEDT requirements.

Ryzen comes along and yes, suddenly Intel could find it in their hearts to offer 6 and 8 core processors to the main stream.

Jumped on Ryzen as soon as it came out for so many reasons not least of which they promised AM4 would be compatible to 2020, and looking at how they managed to double core count on Threadripper2 while maintaining socket compatibility was really impressive.

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Out of interest, do you think it will actually take until Holidays 2019, I was hoping for a first half of the year for Ryzen on Zen2 7nm

AMD is literally printing as many wafers as TMSC will sell them right now to build stock, those big cloud contracts they announced get priority. There's literally not enough wafer supply to release at the same time as Rome

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Out of interest, do you think it will actually take until Holidays 2019, I was hoping for a first half of the year for Ryzen on Zen2 7nm

Given that Rome launches early next year and has maximum priority, 1H is out of the question. We might get some consumer stuff in Q3 if we're lucky. AMD doesn't have the resources to do back to back launches like that. Firstly they lack production capacity courtesy of TSMC and I don't think their teams have the manpower to do it either given the slow cadence of current Zen products.

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holidays as in Summer, not Xmas. Zen 2 is routed for April/May next year i believe, at least according to their previous release sqedual

I dont think so but maybe, it really depends on how many 7nm chiplets they can make. Turns out the fact that 8 desktop cpu cores are now the size of a phone SoC (less than 80mm square?) yields should be silly good and they can just make wafer upon wafers of these tiny chiplets. If they can make enough 80mm squares and 14nm io chips (these might yield lower than 7nm chiplets) we'll get Ryzen 3rd gen early

We're still waiting for reviewers to get their hands on Zen2 Epyc and these new Intel chips, but I did think it was interesting to re-watch the AMD event where they showcased Epyc2 against 2 of the top Xeons (in a favourable benchmark). Of course in both cases they are vendor numbers.

As a side note, this slide of partners is lacking Amazon Web Services. AMD made a big point of showing their new partnership for Epyc2, I'm not sure it would ever be an either or scenario though.

You can expect each 48 core Cascade Lake AP to be around 350w according to Adored TV.