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Orome1 writes "Nineteen people were arrested yesterday in the UK and are suspected of being part of an Eastern European gang that used the ZeuS Trojan to steal online banking credentials from unsuspecting victims and siphon around £2 million per month to their accounts."

How is this funny? The word 'company' has almost 12 different definitions, and is a very broad word (see below). If you think it is funny because you are against private companies (in a corporation sense), your ignorance shines bright.

company [ kúmpnee ] (plural companies)nounDefinition:1. business business: a business enterprise

2. state of being together: the state of being with other peopleHe didn't feel at ease in company.

3. group: a gathering of people

4. companions: the people that somebody associates with

5. particular type of companion: somebody seen as providing a particular type of companionshipHe can be very good company.

6. guest: a guest or visitor, especially for a meal or overnight stayWe're having company this weekend.

7. business business partners: the partners of a business enterprise whose names are not included in the firm's title

8. performing arts troupe: a group of performing artists such as actors

9. military group of troops: a unit of soldiers, usually consisting of two or more platoons

10. navy nautical ship's crew: the crew and officers of a ship

11. firefighters: a unit of firefighters

12. business history trade guild: a medieval trade guildStupid commies.

Mob [merriam-webster.com]: 1 : a large or disorderly crowd; especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action2 : the lower classes of a community : masses, rabble3 chiefly Australian : a flock, drove, or herd of animals4 : a criminal set : gang; especially often capitalized : mafia 15 chiefly British : a group of people : crowd

Gang [merriam-webster.com] a (1) : a set of articles : outfit (2) : a combination of similar implements or devices arranged for convenience to act together b : group: as(1) : a group of persons working together(2) : a grou

This is/.. You should be prepared to have nit-picking pedants picking apart the slightest potential alternative interpretation of your post even though the context makes it perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain.

It was a synchronized raid by e-crimes unit of the Yard + photojournalist

It has the standard political trial the bad guy in the press picturesa) stackup of officers in body armor and battering ram -- checkb) photos of the "crime scene ala the laptop" -- Check -- nice Orthodox icons BTWc) photos of the guilty being lead away in irons by the guard -- Check and Check

It makes no mention of where the money went but only that the active criminals are caught. Some things to think about

Trojan refers to the citizens of the city of Troy, which is now known as Truva, Turkey. There is not a Greek god "Trojan" nor "Troy".

They were contemporary to the great Greek empires, but as I recall they were not themselves Greek. Well, we know how wars and domination during the period went, any particular place in the area could be under a variety of empires, and likely change empires frequently.

Trojan refers to the citizens of the city of Troy, which is now known as Truva, Turkey. There is not a Greek god "Trojan" nor "Troy".

They were contemporary to the great Greek empires, but as I recall they were not themselves Greek. Well, we know how wars and domination during the period went, any particular place in the area could be under a variety of empires, and likely change empires frequently.

He was talking about Zeus. "No cigar" indeed!

What is it with/. this morning? Is it just me or is it full of pompous know-it-all assholes who are quick to shoot first and ask questions later at the slightest hint of an error in a post?

I wonder how much more money should be stolen until Microsoft is held responsible for the non-security of Windows. I am not saying this for karma, I know that Microsoft Eulas say they are not responsible for anything, but I wonder for how long should that be acceptable, given the ubiquity of Windows.

If you think I am karma whoring, replace 'Microsoft' with anyone writing software running on millions of machines. Shouldn't software houses of that magnitude be held accountable for at least something like this

Why though? If Joe User is dumb enough to run "JustinBieberNaked.exe" as root/admin/whatever then no amount of OS security will prevent the machine from being compromised. The weakest point of any system is always between the keyboard and the chair.

Now if you're talking clear negligence in not fixing known issues, etc. then perhaps you have a case, but then why drawn the line at big companies, surely everyone should be equally liable even if they're a one-man operation working out of their bedroom?

While such people are endangering themselves by being ignorant, it is in no way their fault. Deciding what is safe or not to run is not exactly intuitive for someone with little knowledge on computers, yet if they don't explore and experiment by themselves, they are not likely to learn anything.

An user that runs "JustinBieberNaked.exe" as root simply knows no better. Ignorance is not a crime. Unauthorized access and theft, however, are

Some accountability for their software, but this isn't the time or place for it. How many of these were cases of the user of the OS doing something stupid?
At some point the user of the device needs to be held accountable for not properly patching/updating the device.
If the software is something truly important, Space Shuttle O2 system, nuclear power plant, etc...
Yes, they should be accountable for defects, but not because Facebook User #2,290,231 clicks on a malicious advertisement and gets
malware in

Yes, despite an EULA that disavows them from any responsibility they actively market to the government, the military, and other purveyors of critical infrastructure and flat-out *lie* about its suitability for these purposes. This is criminal activity and should be addressed. At the very least there should be a warning label on the box - something like the government requires on other hazardous consumer goods like alcohol, tobacco, pesticides and household cleaners.

Should builders be accountable if your back door can be cracked with a simple crowbar? Breaking in is easier then keeping things or people out. In fact, it is so difficult to keep people out, that security is only added for "too easy" breaches. And then raised as necessary. And off course it must be used wisely. For a lot of vulnerabilities, you still have to invite the vampire in first.

"Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extentpermitted by applicable law."

So in this case Debian(and i think this is true for most linux distributions) is similar to windows.Please note that i refer to the notice, that it's not responsible and NOT to the actual amount of security issues.

Microsoft isn't quite so forthcoming in their licence agreements, but instead of just coming out and saying "no warranty", they hedge their terms in such a way as to mean the same thing and to require platoons of lawyers to break. Thing is, not one of any of the *nix OSs (including OS X) is vulnerable to this (or pretty nearly any other) exploit in the first place.

It doesn't work to claim that the unixy OSs don't get hit because they rely on security through obscurity. The simple fact is, they are more s

It's an interesting thought, and not one I necessarily disagree with, but the inevitable analogies crop up:

- Should auto makers be accountable when people speed?- Should gun makers be accountable for deaths caused by their products?- Should websites be accountable for the content participating users share?

In my mind these are listed from most to least absurd, and the last is even relevant. We've got laws in place protecting websites (the whole boring Craigslist thing notwithstanding) and software isn't so

Not if Microsoft is doing their honest best to make their software secure, but someone finds a way to break in. However, what if it is discovered that Microsoft intentionally leaves vulnerabilities in their software - and perhaps even surreptitiously leaks the vulnerabilities over time? This would force users into applying updates that close the vulns, but may have ulterior purpose to Microsoft, such as degrading performance incrementally. Eventually this would force an upgrade (sooner that than otherwise

Grabbing small amounts doesn't help you evade detection. Many people keep a close eye on their internet banking and notice pretty quickly if there's a transfer to another account which they didn't instigate. And that will have the victim on the phone to bank quicker than Zeus's thunderbolt.

Many ZeuS packages have an option to remove the outgoing transactions from the user's browser as part of the MITB package, this includes changing the balance total to before the outgoing transactions were made so the user wont know until a paper statement turns up if one ever does as many banks are ditching paper statements in favor of browser based ones.
And since they are now using the same trojan tactics on users mobiles to defeat mobile sms authentication I am sure you will see a Zeus mobile trojan upg

As usual, no mention is made in the summary or the linked news item of the platform that runs this trojan. Most geeks will know but shouldn't the public be informed?

BTW, it's hard to hold Microsoft (or any software publisher) responsible for damages caused by these flaws even when grossly negligent. I think that the people who make the decision to run Windows should be accountable for their poor decision. I think most people know that Windows is full of holes for malware. It's negligent to run Windows

I heard of the 409 crew, or the shadow crew, hope it is not either, as some of them guys were pretty cool hackers, more do sh*t then destroy sh*t, show proof of concept stuff, instead of formatting your drives....

The 20-something mastermind behind the gang's operation has also been arrested in yesterday's raids...

Any "20-something" is hardly a mastermind of anything, except maybe WoW, and this proves it. At least the article didn't say the phrase "criminal mastermind." That would have royally cheesed me off and forced me to say even more derogatory things.