Ever compile a full application from source using AMD's compiler optimizations? FMA3 and XOP bring a lot to the table when they're actually used, like two FP (single precision) ops per clock instead of just one per module. FMA3 is really what brings FP optimizations to forefront and next to nothing uses it.

What does that have to do with my comment or the OP? I said it was great.. I just want them to do 5ghz on air... I use AMD in a lot of my systems and always have.. Now go bark up someone else's tree... Remember you can like something and still want it to do better... You settle for shit and you'll get shit...

EDIT: AND before AMD people go crazy.. hehehe I'm not calling AMD shit.. Again I like/love AMD's products...

Ever compile a full application from source using AMD's compiler optimizations? FMA3 and XOP bring a lot to the table when they're actually used, like two FP (single precision) ops per clock instead of just one per module. FMA3 is really what brings FP optimizations to forefront and next to nothing uses it.

Exactly! Although we wont be seeing the full benefits of the following until we hit an actual heterogeneous architecture! But we will be seeing more performance per clock per core per mesh than anything before! That's what's great about AMD though, More support and a bit more Performance for close to equal price!

Well matters really, I mean it is based off of bulldozer, the only thing that has changed really is the amount of instructions per clock, The core is still the same! By using some tech that they use on their gpu's, they were also able to reduce TDP! This publication doesn't really reveal anything.. As bulldozer was already able to hold and reach a world record on one core! It all depends on if they were able to reach it on 2 or 4!

Would you please elaborate which part of the picture we are missing? Do you think that we don't know what's an APU good for? The point is that we are commenting about a news here, where the PR guy himself compared it to a 2500K overclockability wise.

Well matters really, I mean it is based off of bulldozer, the only thing that has changed really is the amount of instructions per clock, The core is still the same! By using some tech that they use on their gpu's, they were also able to reduce TDP! This publication doesn't really reveal anything.. As bulldozer was already able to hold and reach a world record on one core! It all depends on if they were able to reach it on 2 or 4!

I think the whole point is that if a quad with great integrated graphics can reach that kind of speed on LN2...imagine what it can do on a good water / high end air setup. That chip costs less then $150.

Even with integrated graphics on a Core i5 or i7 with LN2 that shouldn't be too much of a problem, But seeing how AMD's GPU is twice to three times as fast and takes up a bit more power this I guess is to be expected! Although I am sure we will be seeing another world record sometime soon with this APU!

I don't know buddy... SB/IB = CPU and Graphics.. APU = CPU and Graphics... I don't get why AMD had to call there's an APU and not just a CPU... I think it just confuses the public when going to buy a new pc.. Should Intel call there SB/IB chips something other than a CPU.. Maybe a IPU?... It does offer more than just a CPU... Who else is going to break the APU world record?

I don't know buddy... SB/IB = CPU and Graphics.. APU = CPU and Graphics... I don't get why AMD had to call there's an APU and not just a CPU... I think it just confuses the public when going to buy a new pc.. Should Intel call there SB/IB chips something other than a CPU.. Maybe a IPU?... It does offer more than just a CPU... Who else is going to break the APU world record?

Oh I understand that completely! It was made to compete for the lower end.. The i3's the Pentuims, Celerons and so on! But one may wonder.. Why have they upgraded to the A85 chipset which splits the x16 pci x-press lane? To contend with INTEL! Yes, But to do that they would have to have a CPU that is worth it! Or just give people who know what they are buying a great deal! People who know their computers now days, Know that 2 660's or 7870's on even x8 - x8 express2.0 will produce the best possible graphics for even a multi-monitor setup at the highest in-game qualities! x2.0 - 16x provides 3%/ x3.0 provides up to 5% increase.

True man and I get that, but there is a HUGE difference between the CPU's as well in terms of processing power(Intel being the winner). Plus they are not overclocking the 7660D.. Just the CPU.. I'd rather them overclock the 7660D and keep the CPU as is... That chip will shine then. I don't think AMD sees the big/picture... Overclock the 7660D to play games 60+fps or even 30+fps... The big/picture is to have a CPU/GPU aio and lose the addon graphics card.. right? Well overclock your 7660D over a 1ghz and tell everyone how great it is... Because they are overclocking the one thing that doesn't make it an APU..

Oh I understand that completely! It was made to compete for the lower end.. The i3's the Pentuims, Celerons and so on! But one may wonder.. Why have they upgraded to the A85 chipset which splits the x16 pci x-press lane? To contend with INTEL! Yes, But to do that they would have to have a CPU that is worth it! Or just give people who know what they are buying a great deal! People who know their computers now days, Know that 2 660's or 7870's on even x8 - x8 express2.0 will produce the best possible graphics for even a multi-monitor setup at the highest in-game qualities! x2.0 - 16x provides 3%/ x3.0 provides up to 5% increase.

Though depending on the CPU will greatly increase results! In this day and age, Intel with a discrete GPU will win! I am an analysts, This is my job! 2 Years ago I would have suggested AMD, but now as it stands.. Untill AMD releases their second Gen APU's, Intel is still the way to go if you plan on going with a discrete GPU. AMD is the better choice for the everyday consumer though!

True man and I get that, but there is a HUGE difference between the CPU's as well in terms of processing power(Intel being the winner). Plus they are not overclocking the 7660D.. Just the CPU.. I'd rather them overclock the 7660D and keep the CPU as is... That chip will shine then. I don't think AMD sees the big/picture... Overclock the 7660D to play games 60+fps or even 30+fps... The big/picture is to have a CPU/GPU aio and lose the addon graphics card.. right? Well overclock your 7660D over a 1ghz and tell everyone how great it is... Because they are overclocking the one thing that doesn't make it an APU..

Are people forgetting that AMD's APU's blow the competition out of the water. Once again, AMD's last management team made wrong decisions and now the new team have been working hard to rectify the mistakes.

If Bulldozer today was the Athlon 64 then, AMD would have taken the desktop performance crown. That was a different AMD then.

I don't think I need to get into AMD innovations that forced Intel to follow.
64-bit, Dual-Core, Quad-Core, Octa-Core, L2 cache, DDR, APU, Module and so on. Thank You AMD for pushing INNOVATION even though it could put you out of business. I call that Balls Of Iron.
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Currently Phenom II is dead. As long as future AMD CPU's outperform Bulldozer, that IMO is progression. Just wait until those added instructions start being utilized, then you will see real gains.

I mean, with the Preview's they authorized sites to do GPU benchmarks (with a suggestion of games) and overclocking tests, but told them they were not allowed to do tests of the CPU itself.
With Trinity in particular the overclocking is

But you don't know what meetings are taking place in AMD's headquarters.

AMD could have a 5-billion dollar contract with OEMs waiting to be signed next week. Perhaps potential negative attention or even positive attention regarding CPU specific benchmarks could influence the signing of those contracts.

In a situation like that. Do they let reviewers do the write up, or do they sign the 5 billion dollar contract? - If I was the CEO I know what I would do.

There is only 2-3 boards within the FM1 factor that support CF! 1-2 of them support SLI! Only Bulldozer supports SLI. So for AMD to support this in their FM2 FF they must be sayin hello to their middlend buyers! Which means their not only going after the low-end but the middle end! People who know their shit, who are looking at limited funds will choose AMD once again! The economics of this are great for AMD, A person who can get a system really cheap and then up grade to their choice of components over time is how AMD makes alot of it's money! Most people have to also remember that AMD has about 1/20th of what Intel has as 'Funds'! So for them, This is pretty damn AMAZING!

Nobody knows yet how these will compare to the intel's CPU so anything said at this point is pure speculation. Its obvious that people dog AMD, but in all honesty...If I can hit 4.6ghz on the A10-5800K, add in a dedicated GPU or even 2 (due to the rumored hybrid tri-crossfire), I'm sold. You can spend $300 alone on a CPU and get maybe a 2-3 sec noticeable real world increase. These benchmarks you see between AMD and intel are ususally done on benchmarks optimized for intel's instruction set so of course intel is going to win, but bottom line. I've used overclocked bulldozers and overclocked SB and IB chips, on SSDs 1866 DDR3, and the difference is so minimal, its hardly noticeable at all. If anything, the extra intel cost is the most noticeable difference.