I thought you guys might get a kick out of this conversation with a real "master" read on:

2GentleGiants : anyway, any of you's reached mastery? or are you all too young
solidman82 : cause one of them is earthdragon
solidman82 : nobody can reach mastery
2GentleGiants : yes
2GentleGiants : they can
2GentleGiants : i have.....
solidman82 : so are you telling me that masters can just stop training altogether?
2GentleGiants : no
2GentleGiants : i didnt say that
ironshirt : chill solid d isn't worth the time
solidman82 : then they aren't masters
2GentleGiants : im a 4th dan
Possible_Tomorrow : and that makes you a master?
Possible_Tomorrow : HA!
2GentleGiants : yes
solidman82 : that's what I was just gonna say
Possible_Tomorrow : my instructor is a 5th dan
2GentleGiants : 4th dan= master
Possible_Tomorrow : and he's got a shitload more to go before ANYBODY considers him a master
Possible_Tomorrow : lol
2GentleGiants : 6th dan= grandmaster
solidman82 : if there's any possible way you can gain skill then you're not a master
Possible_Tomorrow : what style is this?
ironshirt : a master once said a true master questions if he is a master
Possible_Tomorrow : j/w
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2GentleGiants : Tae Kwon Do
2GentleGiants : respest!
solidman82 : BAH!
Possible_Tomorrow : Damn
2GentleGiants : respect
solidman82 : BAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Possible_Tomorrow : and I thought MY TKD was an easy one
Possible_Tomorrow : ****
solidman82 : that's all I have to say about that
Possible_Tomorrow : you gotta be at LEAST a 7th degree to become a master
2GentleGiants : you's are just envious dat youll never reach master
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2GentleGiants : and by the way i train 5 times a week
solidman82 : I will admit that I'll never reach master
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solidman82 : and I'm proud of it
2GentleGiants : plus a have a class to teach inbetween
solidman82 : cause that means that I'll always be able to get better
blinkybear32 : hey you can train 5 nights a week and still be no good
solidman82 : I train 8 times a week
Possible_Tomorrow : Let me guess
solidman82 : so what?
Possible_Tomorrow : twice on sundays?
Possible_Tomorrow :
Possible_Tomorrow : lol
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ironshirt : master one's self not master the art
solidman82 : actually 9 time
blinkybear32 : hey very true iron
Possible_Tomorrow : Yes Mr. Miyagi
2GentleGiants : you idiots! mastery means that its a title given after you have reached a high level in tae kwon do. its a title just like Dr.
solidman82 : 3 times monday wednesday
solidman82 : 1 tuseday thursday
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solidman82 : once on friday
Possible_Tomorrow : I know what you meant, Giant
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2GentleGiants : yeah.... so why you dissin me?
Possible_Tomorrow : But 4th dan isn't anywhere near master
Robbie_Lawlerś_chick™ : well gee thanxs, a participent
Possible_Tomorrow : well, it shouldn't be
2GentleGiants : it is
Possible_Tomorrow : that's not long enough in any art
Possible_Tomorrow : ESPECIALLY not TKD
2GentleGiants : 4th dan= master
solidman82 : hold on a sec
blinkybear32 : normally 6 and above is master title
blinkybear32 : in tkd
2GentleGiants : 6th dan = grandmaster
blinkybear32 : nope
Robbie_Lawlerś_chick™ : well wheres the party
blinkybear32 : 9th above
2GentleGiants : you are all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Possible_Tomorrow : In my pants, chick
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Possible_Tomorrow : now get in 'em
Robbie_Lawlerś_chick™ : lol, haha
Possible_Tomorrow :
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Drunken-monkey13 : bows in
2GentleGiants : ive been doing tkd for 15 years!
blinkybear32 : hey wouldnt it depend on the style u study
2GentleGiants : dont argue with me
solidman82 : I've been doing it for a year and a half
solidman82 : what's your point&amp;gt;?
Robbie_Lawlerś_chick™ : no u get out of 'em
2GentleGiants : that your trying to tell me that im wrong
solidman82 : and it doesn't matter how often you train
blinkybear32 : and obviously after 15 years u havent learnt too much then about respect
solidman82 : or intelligence
2GentleGiants : i am in the police data base, regestered as a wepon.
solidman82 : oooh
2GentleGiants : thats what happens once you become a master
solidman82 : I have a stick in the police data base registered as a weapon
solidman82 : how great is my stick?
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
solidman82 : is it a master?
2GentleGiants : to get to mastery in tkd it takes 10 years minimum!
ironshirt : lmao
solidman82 : my stick is 10 years old
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Possible_Tomorrow : Well, if it's your giant canada-mexico schlong you're talking about
2GentleGiants : **** you asshole (solidman82
Possible_Tomorrow : yeah, it is pretty fuckin' dangerous
solidman82 : it's been in stick-do all it's life
2GentleGiants : but you cant carry around a stick every where you go
Drunken-monkey13 : yes u can
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
ironshirt : twinkie
2GentleGiants : my hands and legs however are a different story
2GentleGiants : no you cant
2GentleGiants : dont be an idiot
ironshirt :
solidman82 : the police are never gonna stop you for having a walking stick
Drunken-monkey13 : who me?
2GentleGiants : SMACKABRAIN!
2GentleGiants : no not you
Drunken-monkey13 : k
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
2GentleGiants : yes yes you
Drunken-monkey13 : aaaaaah
Drunken-monkey13 : well mr dynomite
ironshirt : mr??
Drunken-monkey13 : i do have telescopic nunchaks
solidman82 : so do the police apprehend you if they see you walking down the street?
Drunken-monkey13 : carry them around
Drunken-monkey13 : all the time
2GentleGiants : so do i, who dosent
solidman82 : or do they not veiw you as a very destructive weapon?
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
2GentleGiants : thats just dumb
2GentleGiants : no..............
solidman82 : well they must think you're pretty weak if they wouldn't even do any thing about you walking around in publin
solidman82 : public*
2GentleGiants : if by any chance i am involved in a big mess
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2GentleGiants : thean i am considered as a wepon
solidman82 : so it's assault with a weapon?
2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given ****
solidman82 : wow! I wish I was a master so I could get extra police chrages!!!!!!!!
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
blinkybear32 : lol @ solid
solidman82 : man why am I not training right now?
blinkybear32 : as they say a legend in there own mind...lol
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solidman82 : or.........not
2GentleGiants : hey solidman, your a looser and if i ever recognised you by any chance on the street id break your legs
2GentleGiants : b i a t c h
blinkybear32 : ohh grow up giant
2GentleGiants : funny
2GentleGiants : im the oldest here
solidman82 : 2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given ****
2GentleGiants : you tiny boppers
solidman82 : you're such a hypocrite
Possible_Tomorrow : Uhh
blinkybear32 : and u call yourself a martial arts hrmmp
Possible_Tomorrow : hello, moron?
Possible_Tomorrow : It's TEENY bopper
Possible_Tomorrow : dumbfuck
blinkybear32 : lol
Possible_Tomorrow : also
solidman82 : giants...
Possible_Tomorrow : along the dumbfuck line
solidman82 : I love you man
Possible_Tomorrow : you wouldn't do **** to us
solidman82 : you've totally made my day!
Possible_Tomorrow : because if you did, it would be another police charge
2GentleGiants : no i meant tiny bopper
Possible_Tomorrow : and you yourself told us you didn't want that
2GentleGiants : as in small, minute, irrelivant
Possible_Tomorrow : Well, you're STILL a dumbfuck for the above reason
blinkybear32 : lol
ironshirt :
Possible_Tomorrow : well, if that's what you mean
Possible_Tomorrow : you should've said incosequential peon
solidman82 : wow you got so pissed off about something so "small,minute,irrelivant"
blinkybear32 : yeah i know iron gettin sick n tired of the same ole ****
Possible_Tomorrow : but, like I've mentioned, you're a dumbfuck
Possible_Tomorrow : so you wouldn't know what those words meant
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
solidman82 : I can't believe that I've had a master stick in my house for all this time!!
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
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CrAzY®™ : Welcome back ironshirt Hope you had a good holiday while you were away!!!
solidman82 : and to think I've been using it to clean the drain-gutter
2GentleGiants : so how much times you come on the internet again, possible?
ironshirt : yes i did
blinkybear32 : if we where true martial artist and true to the art people wouldnt be arguing over it...but hey beats a boring night in
ironshirt : g - twinkie
Possible_Tomorrow : all the time, Giant
2GentleGiants : boring night in. man im just waiting for my ride to clubbing
Possible_Tomorrow : when I'm not working or training, that is
solidman82 : and we care why?
solidman82 : are you gonna go get arrested?
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
blinkybear32 : lo, @ solid
blinkybear32 : lo
blinkybear32 : lol
ironshirt : hey b what's up
2GentleGiants : proves my point
solidman82 : what point?
solidman82 : I didn't see a point?
2GentleGiants : you on the internet all the time. that makes you a geek
blinkybear32 : not much iron expect i cant spell
2GentleGiants : a looser
2GentleGiants : a nobody
solidman82 : oooh he's breakin' out the 3rd grade names now
2GentleGiants : with no friends
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
solidman82 : run!!!
ironshirt : oh computer retarded i'm the same
blinkybear32 : lol
Possible_Tomorrow : I have more friends that you could shake that goddamn "master" foot at
2GentleGiants : apar for his wish to somday kick someones ass
2GentleGiants : well buddy, keep on dreaming
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solidman82 : or a master stick
Possible_Tomorrow : sure, you'd kick my ass if I ever tried to start **** with you
Drunken-monkey13 thinks this is going nowhere
Possible_Tomorrow : but I've got friends that would wipe the motherfuckin floor with you
blinkybear32 : yeah your right monkey
Drunken-monkey13 : ty
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
blinkybear32 : yvw..lol
solidman82 : this is going nowhere but isn't it fun?
2GentleGiants : funny guy (dry)
Drunken-monkey13 has other defenitions on wurd fun
solidman82 : lookit the widdle weapon........
2GentleGiants : so if i pulled out a 9millimeter... i gues they would still wip the floor with me huh?
solidman82 : isn't he so cute when he's angwy.......
Drunken-monkey13 : lol
blinkybear32 : lol
ironshirt : lol
solidman82 : isn't that assualt with a weapon......from a weapon?
ironshirt : lol
2GentleGiants : yip
2GentleGiants : but who said i shot it
2GentleGiants : dumb ass
ironshirt : ok who has a joke
blinkybear32 : awwww see how tough people are with words especially when there miles apart from on another
Drunken-monkey13 : yep
2GentleGiants : its an assult after you actualy shoot some one wit it
solidman82 : (chuckles).....(ass)
Possible_Tomorrow : lol
Possible_Tomorrow : assault with a weapon from a weapon
Possible_Tomorrow : lol
solidman82 : 2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given ****
solidman82 : 2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2Gentle
solidman82 : 2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2GentleGiants : that is why i have to avoid when im given shit2Gentle
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
solidman82 : you are full of ****
ironshirt : lmao
2GentleGiants : im actual more like 2000 miles away from any of you guys
solidman82 : it's fun
Possible_Tomorrow : that's why he has to avoid it, solid
Possible_Tomorrow : because he can't hold anymore
Possible_Tomorrow : if he gets anymore ****, he'd explode
solidman82 : yeah....I guess you can't get too much ****
solidman82 : you might overflow
Possible_Tomorrow : and *boom* there goes the ozone layer
Possible_Tomorrow : lol
blinkybear32 : lol
2GentleGiants : true, true
solidman82 : hell it could be the 2nd big bang
Possible_Tomorrow : LMAO
2GentleGiants : what eva makes you happy
solidman82 : this does make me happy
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blinkybear32 : like who gives a rats ass just how far away u are giant
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2GentleGiants : takin it up da ass from yo mom
Drunken-monkey13 : lmao
solidman82 : what?
solidman82 : that didn't make any sense
2GentleGiants : you heard me
blinkybear32 : ohh your such a big man
2GentleGiants : yes it did
2GentleGiants : dumb ass
solidman82 : but it didn't
solidman82 : I guess your mom is just a herm
2GentleGiants : it, makes you happy by takin it up da ass by yo mom
Possible_Tomorrow : See?
solidman82 : so you would by default think everyone else's mom is like that
Possible_Tomorrow : now THAT made sense
blinkybear32 : lol
2GentleGiants : nop
2GentleGiants : its just dat yo mom is a hephrodite
2GentleGiants : got tits and a dick
solidman82 : see what I mean?
solidman82 : and it's hermaphrodite idiot
2GentleGiants : awwwwww. poor baby
2GentleGiants : aint gonna get any tonight
2GentleGiants : from yo mum
2GentleGiants : lol
blinkybear32 : and ya think u gonna
blinkybear32 : dont think so chum
solidman82 : I guess I'll just have to find you mom
2GentleGiants : bro
2GentleGiants : ill call my gf and shell cum runin
blinkybear32 : what with a bag on her head
solidman82 : no two bags
blinkybear32 : lol
solidman82 : one for if the first one falls off
blinkybear32 : hehe
2GentleGiants : as for you, you can say anythin you want to say you will still be a dumb ass and a looser and most of all a dreamer.
solidman82 : who's you?
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blinkybear32 : awww the child has left the building
solidman82 : LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGHHH!!! Why did that 2G have to say he was a TKD...Damn! I was so close in getting everyone convinced that not all TKD=McDojo and then Ronald McDonald, himself, had to post in a chat room.

Let me break this down to you all. In TKD you have several titles, Asst. Instructor, Instructor, Master, Grandmaster. 1st dan is usually an Asst. Instructor, 2nd and 3rd Dan considered and Instructor, 4th dan is considered a Master (however that is like a really baby master). Grandmaster is given at 6th or 7th dan. Now, understand that this is much like military. Prvt, Sgt, Lt, Col...etc. It is nothing more than time in the arts.

The guy in the Chatroom has let it go to his head. PLEASE, for the love of whatever you hold sacred, do not let this man represent TKD.

lol, verbal judo does sound interesting as an idea (and i seriously think some people needs it).
so if some langual talent starts such a curriculum today, i wonder if 1 century later, will his descendants claim it to be a "practical art proven to keep u atop the internet world of verbal assaults".

Let me break this down to you all. In TKD you have several titles, Asst. Instructor, Instructor, Master, Grandmaster. 1st dan is usually an Asst. Instructor, 2nd and 3rd Dan considered and Instructor, 4th dan is considered a Master (however that is like a really baby master). Grandmaster is given at 6th or 7th dan. Now, understand that this is much like military. Prvt, Sgt, Lt, Col...etc. It is nothing more than time in the arts.

Interesting to know how TKD ranks work...I've always assumed (foolishly, it would seem) that the ranks in my style are somehow universal to everything.

How long does it usually take to take the next dan test in TKD? From 2nd to 3rd, for example.

I've had it explained to me that the "master" designation is simply the closest English translation from a Korean title that accompanies that rank (4th dan), but the word "master" over here carries a different connotation than the title is intended to, coming across as self-aggrandizing. Unfortunately, all to often the recipient doesn't understand this either, and it obviously gets to his/her head like this.

Besides, anyone who is referred to as a "master" is not beyond self-improvement or learning new things. I think it has more to do with mastery over the learning process, to the point that you can teach yourself through practice and as a consequence create "new" knowledge. It doesn't even mean that you are above lessons from other people. Anyone we could consider "masters" of the scientific process still collaberate and learn from each other.

Well said. My Sensei is a 7th dan, out of nine. Six through nine are considered the "Master" ranks. The first thing he says to every new student while he teaches them the first kata, "Don't try to get the kataperfect, just get the steps down for now. The more you do it, the more you'll understand it. Heck, I'm still working on it myself."