Happy new year everybody! Christmas may be over, but you needn’t be sad – Forge World has a whole month of free goodies planned to start your 2018. Welcome to Competition Month!

The rules are simple. Each week in January, anyone who spends £50 or more on a Forge World order will be automatically entered into that week’s draw for a free super-heavy kit. This week, you could win a Hierophant Bio-titan. It’d look awesome alongside that Malanthrope or Dimachaeron you’ve been thinking about. If you’ve got a free shipping voucher to use, or some Christmas cash burning a hole in your pocket, you could be in for a pleasant surprise.

With a new competition each week this month, there are plenty of chances to win, so make sure to keep checking back to see what’s on offer. Find out more (and grab some new models for the new year!) over at Forge World.

With the competition one thing I noticed (because I got sent to the US instead of UK store) is this in the Terms and Conditions

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a Tyranid Hierophant Bio-titan’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.

I assume this has to do with local laws in that territory as the others appear to be by purchase only (just like how Canada requires the entrant to answer a simple question if they are drawn from the lot to win)

Yeah that's standard for US based lotteries. Presumably they need to provide free option to enter lottery based on US laws. IIRC used to be due to this that GW didn't simply run these offers there but guess they changed policy on that.

EXCEPT:
Grenades
The sniper clarification for veterans wounding on a 2+ if they have a melta
Combi weapons can now fire both the combi bolter and combi flamer/plasma/melta/etc. component as many times as they want, this is the opposite of the above FAQ Rites of War - they are mentioned but does not go into anywhere near the same detail as the FAQ Named IC clarifications (Lorgar, Sevatar, Horus, etc.)

Not included:
The heavy stubber in 30k has no AP, in 40k's FAQ it is AP6.
All other changes to text included, obviously the Q&A is not

Other changes:
The FoCs are the 30k FoCs, no 40kFoCs included. Only one FoC/Allied detachment
The Warlord Tactical Traits table is removed, the other traits are the same
The Allies table is the 30k one, come apoc is replaced by Warmaster/Emperor command, and Agents of Emperor/Warmaster added as additional type over 40k Eternal and Maelstrom replaced by Age of Darkness mission table (12 vs. 6 of them)
40k deployment maps replaced by 30k deployment maps (3 vs. 6 of them)
All the 30k weapon types and their related special rules in this book, so rad, 30k grav (no 40k grav rules at all), phosphex, etc. are in here
Invisibility replaced by Mind Howl - this is the only power that is changed
Generic demon profiles added for summoning, and changes to what you can summon
All the pictures updated to use UM and DG models

EXCEPT:
Grenades
The sniper clarification for veterans wounding on a 2+ if they have a melta
Combi weapons can now fire both the combi bolter and combi flamer/plasma/melta/etc. component as many times as they want, this is the opposite of the above FAQ Rites of War - they are mentioned but does not go into anywhere near the same detail as the FAQ Named IC clarifications (Lorgar, Sevatar, Horus, etc.)

Not included:
The heavy stubber in 30k has no AP, in 40k's FAQ it is AP6.
All other changes to text included, obviously the Q&A is not

Other changes:
The FoCs are the 30k FoCs, no 40kFoCs included. Only one FoC/Allied detachment
The Warlord Tactical Traits table is removed, the other traits are the same
The Allies table is the 30k one, come apoc is replaced by Warmaster/Emperor command, and Agents of Emperor/Warmaster added as additional type over 40k Eternal and Maelstrom replaced by Age of Darkness mission table (12 vs. 6 of them)
40k deployment maps replaced by 30k deployment maps (3 vs. 6 of them)
All the 30k weapon types and their related special rules in this book, so rad, 30k grav (no 40k grav rules at all), phosphex, etc. are in here
Invisibility replaced by Mind Howl - this is the only power that is changed
Generic demon profiles added for summoning, and changes to what you can summon
All the pictures updated to use UM and DG models

I should point out that 30K has two Grav rules, Graviton and Graviton Pulse. Graviton works the same way as 40K's Grav, so did they remove this special rule all together?

Imateria wrote:I should point out that 30K has two Grav rules, Graviton and Graviton Pulse. Graviton works the same way as 40K's Grav, so did they remove this special rule all together?

Which weapons in 30k use the 40k grav rules? Not sure I've ever seen them, only those that use the 30k version.

In the special rules section there is only gravition pulse, I can find no mention in this section or in the weapons section for the other type. I should point out that the index of this book is a bit hit and miss, all of the special rules aren't in the index, so a bit of a pain to find.

Clever clever Forgeworld, they know everyone and their mate has a free shipping voucher and now they're throwing in extra incentives in the form of a competition.

I cheated and sent in an email submission for the bio-titan (yay Canadian gambling laws) but I'll definitely be out 50 quid by the end of the month...

Any thoughts on what the other two or three models might be? I'm thinking a knight/warhound of some sort and maybe a Tau vehicle. That's assuming they only do 40K stuff though, I forget that they sell AoS and LotR stuff as well.

Decent model. Not super quality but not bad either. compared to calth one nice it has regular hand for non-fist weapons. Too bad it's way too space wolf centric to work for sons of horus or blood angels so I'll pass at least until I get wolves(though that would be preeeetty long. Priority is legions involved in siege of terra)

Honestly, there are some kitbashes on the Warhammer Community site of some BaC Terminators and plastic Wolfguard bits, which look far better than this. The only thing I like is the weapons, but that ain't worth £25 + shipping. Maybe it looks better unpainted, but I doubt it will improve that much. Pity :(

Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically a chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?

I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque. Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.

Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque. Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?

I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.

Eh, I can see chainswords being useful against targets with dense / tough flesh. Stabbing is only good if the blow hits deep enough to hit a vital organ, and slashing is only good if the strike can cause mass bleeding, maiming or manage to bite hard enough in to high something precious. If you're dealing with something that has tough flesh, then stabs might not pierce deep enough and slashes might not cause sufficient damage. Power swords aren't really a logistically solution, because those are expensive and need a strong power source, iirc. Cheaper to make a chainsaw in sword form, which can just grind through that tough flesh and cause severe physiological damage.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.

Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Indeed. I’ve often wondered if powerswords are as impractical as say lightsabers, in that you can’t grasp them by the blade and use halfsword techniques.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.

Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

Chain swords are a good case in point - they are an absolutely ridiculous weapon. A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but if you ignore that you are still left with what is basically and chain saw, not the ideal weapon for hacking through an opponent when you have power swords.

Still, all in the name of grimdark eh?

I completely disagree with your statement that a sword is primarily a stabbing weapon, but totally agree that chainswords are ridiculous. That’s part of their charm.

Eh, I can see chainswords being useful against targets with dense / tough flesh.
Stabbing is only good if the blow hits deep enough to hit a vital organ, and slashing is only good if the strike can cause mass bleeding, maiming or manage to bite hard enough in to high something precious.
If you're dealing with something that has tough flesh, then stabs might not pierce deep enough and slashes might not cause sufficient damage.
Power swords aren't really a logistically solution, because those are expensive and need a strong power source, iirc. Cheaper to make a chainsaw in sword form, which can just grind through that tough flesh and cause severe physiological damage.

Indeed, and at each end of the spectrum you have small swords, which have no blade and cannot cut at all, and early falchions, which basically cannot stab (Elmsley type 1).

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.

A purpose designed chainsaw, with an adequate power source, would probably be reasonably useful for a superhuman in half a ton of strength-assisting armour to anchor them.

Mr_Rose wrote:Yeah, the way they sculpt chainswords, with a single row of hooked teeth each two fingers wide and tall, would not work in the slightest, not least because of the adverse torque.
Even Frostfang and similar blades with triangular teeth have severe issues but at least this you could claim are actually two counter-rotating sets that just happen to have been caught in perfect alignment (or ‘park’ in that position when the blade is deactivated).

A sword is primarily a stabbing weapon.

Not really. It depends on the sword use. Sabres are primarily slashing weapons, long swords can be used for both, rapiers are primarily thrusting, etc.

Indeed. I’ve often wondered if powerswords are as impractical as say lightsabers, in that you can’t grasp them by the blade and use halfsword techniques.

Is there much need? My understanding is that half-swording is primarily useful in fighting armoured opponents, where you cannot rely on the point and blade to wound the opponent, and need to essentially grapple the opponent into submission and precisely target weak points. To this end, the sword functions like a pointy crowbar. Power swords negate much of the effect of armour, so the need for half-swording is reduced.

Having said this, it depends on which bit of fluff you read- some seem to have the disruption field as an energy field vapourising stuff that touches the blade, but other fluff describes it more like an aura that basically softens stuff before the blade carves through it. The latter may be possible to grip with the precision Marines have.

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.

Huh? Interesting. Weight is no issue as even unarmoured marine is many times stronger than normal human and power armour just makes it even better to the point main point of weapon against say human is longer teach(human would be incapacitated by just sheer impact). Maybe the chainsword impracticality is actually false idea then.

Some smithing group made a huge Blood Angels chainsword out of a converted chainsaw. It was too heavy to be wielded by a normal human, but it actually cut remarkably well (and quickly). Considering how it was constructed, it was also more resilient than I expected. I don't think chainswords are as impractical as they appear within the context of advanced tech, and crazy tough aliens as you point out. A saber is gonna struggle to incapacitate an ork.

Huh? Interesting. Weight is no issue as even unarmoured marine is many times stronger than normal human and power armour just makes it even better to the point main point of weapon against say human is longer teach(human would be incapacitated by just sheer impact). Maybe the chainsword impracticality is actually false idea then.

Weight is an issue- stength does not negate momentum. Even with infinite strength, if the chainsword is too heavy, the Marine will swing round it somewhat when he tries to swing the saw. Hence why I mentioned that the power armour is very heavy- this counters the weight of the chainsaw and actually would allow a Marine to wield a heavy melee weapon much better. Human chainswords would have to be considerably lighter.

I think even with the massively increased strengthof Marines over humans, it would be possible for humans to parry Marine weapon strikes- its a matter of levers. A weak but skilled fencer can block a blow from a very strong fencer because the strike hits at the end of the attacking blade, but near the hilt of the defending blade (if the attack was worth blocking at all). Having said this, there would be a degree of smashing through the block. I doubt this would be incapacitating, but it would be overwhelming against all but the most skilled, hardened humans.

When I say durable above, I men the teeth didn't fly off when they sawed wood (which is a lot tougher than flesh and living bone). However, they did not swing the thing into anything. I reckon a chainsword could be practical, but I doubt it would ever be the most practical melee weapon in an era that could produce it.

Jeez. Not to beat a dead horse... but the paintjobs coming out of FW nowadays are just awful. The style is jarring and does no justice to the sculpts. I wish they would get just like a single 'Eavy Metal person to move over and do them.

I think it is meant to be a braided beard, but it does look odd. Maybe the face is gurning? I suspect it will look better in person when you can view it from multiple perspectives and the image isn't blurry.

Weight is an issue- stength does not negate momentum. Even with infinite strength, if the chainsword is too heavy, the Marine will swing round it somewhat when he tries to swing the saw. Hence why I mentioned that the power armour is very heavy- this counters the weight of the chainsaw and actually would allow a Marine to wield a heavy melee weapon much better. Human chainswords would have to be considerably lighter.

Lighter, you say?

Spoiler:

Ironically enough the bolt pistols here look a lot less ridiculous than on most IG art due to being thin like actual guns...

And bike weapons don't match so not usable. 30k bikes are shooty units. These are h2h units. Wee bit different...

Besides these are way too overblinged to work as standard bike unit. More like elite bikes like Hetareon vs basic custodian squad.

And you forgot terminators who again don't match 30k equilavents at all for weapons.

If you're saying that the elites don't have alll Hetareon weapons, they still have a visually distinct look, good for converting weapons onto. And they come with a variant poleaxe version of the guardian spear, so there's something for their commonly used paragon blade right there.

Both bikes are a rider with a spear and an underslung gun. If you can't swap out an underslung gun on a bike I have nothing to say to you on the matter.

And no, I mentioned the terminators. Listed them seperately because they'll obviously be a little extra work and are conditional on being enough of a relative bargain to justify the conversion effort.

Swapping gun possible? Yes. EXCEPT THERE'S NO WEAPONS SOLD! What? You expect me to buy FW bike kit AND plastic version and use those weapons on plastic dumping rest of bike? Expensive bikes for sure! For overblinged bikes to be standard bike unit.

Guess it works if you are swimming in cash but waaaaay outside my budget. I just keep the FW bikes then and use them. Works better as basic bike unit anyway.

The only expensive part to replace is the heavy hairdryer, a volkite culverin is probably the best replacement.
£13.50 from forgeworld for 5.
Presuming you only want the death rays, you're sorted there and then.
I guarantee the total for 3 bikes is less than £90.
Cheaper than FW, you get (mostly) plastic over resin.

tneva82 wrote:Swapping gun possible? Yes. EXCEPT THERE'S NO WEAPONS SOLD! What? You expect me to buy FW bike kit AND plastic version and use those weapons on plastic dumping rest of bike? Expensive bikes for sure! For overblinged bikes to be standard bike unit.

Guess it works if you are swimming in cash but waaaaay outside my budget. I just keep the FW bikes then and use them. Works better as basic bike unit anyway.

I'm ignoring the "overblinged" and "basic bike" comments for Custodes because as little sense as that makes to me it's a subjective issue.

The other though... You can't imagine having the parts for fancy variants on heavy Bolters and Lascannons? You can't imagine working something out for the heavy hairdryer death ray?

Yeah right slap heavy bolters on which then...Look like heavy bolters. GG! And then to add to confusion you would have multiple models on board with clearly different looking weapons with same weapon rules.

Maybe you like proxying. I don\t.

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DaemonJellybaby wrote:The only expensive part to replace is the heavy hairdryer, a volkite culverin is probably the best replacement.
£13.50 from forgeworld for 5.
Presuming you only want the death rays, you're sorted there and then.
I guarantee the total for 3 bikes is less than £90.
Cheaper than FW, you get (mostly) plastic over resin.

So you proxy volkite weapons so you have somewhere volkite weapons that are volkites and elsewhere volkite weapons that aren't volkites and somewhere the real gun.

Naaah some people don't like proxying and such a confusing where you have volkites as volkites, volkites as death ray and death ray as death ray is way too confusing.

Cheaper it might be but also inferior. Quality is sometimes worth paying. It's not like custodians is army you need tons of model so might just as well make sure they are GOOD LOOKING. Plastic ones are yes cheaper but look wise also inferior.

Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.

Damnit, the weeks of no new FW releases are incredibly frustrating - especially as an ardent BB fan, and there are so many star players, goblin special weapons, and existing team booster packs still needed. >.<

Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.

Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.

When someone drops two Supremacy Suits and a Warhound on you, they should also just reach across the table and slap you with their wallet.

Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.

Somebody took one or two of those (I forget how many you could fit into 1k in 7th) along with a Warhound in a 2k doubles tournament at Warhammer world that was ranked by number of best game ratings, needless to say they came nearly last.

When someone drops two Supremacy Suits and a Warhound on you, they should also just reach across the table and slap you with their wallet.

It would probably work better than the rules for Titans in 8th. Those need a major redo

Oh crap. That is tempting. But I have 1 shot. This or wait for next week which might or might not be useful for me...ARGH!

Well odds would be pretty slim but the poker player in me is for spending when EV is maximum. Would kick me in ass if next week is even better! (though not much left that would be better...Reaver is about only one that could top this I think. Don't think they give warlord and I already have 1 warhound unlike this one)

Aaaand of course the week that has something I might actually want to win right around the time I actually have a planned FW order that would qualify ends three days before I'll have the money to make the order. Of course it does

I'm honestly surprised this is all we're seeing. FW doesn't even have some doors or shoulder pads as a filler release? I wonder if this means they've been working on an interesting new project, or if they've just been lazy over the holidays and done zero work.

Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.

Peregrine wrote:Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.

All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?

Peregrine wrote:Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.

All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a T’au KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.

(Pretty obvious cut and paste error on the prize listed, but I'd call and verify if you want to enter that way.)

And note that this is not an optional thing for FW to offer. It's illegal to run a giveaway like this in the US and require a purchase to enter. If they want to have it open to US residents they are required to offer a free entry option. So if you ever see a contest in the US without one stated you should contact the company running it and tell them that they are breaking the law and must allow you to enter for free.

Vorian wrote:Ahh, I see - I was just checking if it was free for the whole world, but seems like only you folks across the pond get to

Nah just the countries where they are legally bound. Other countries have mandatory quiz as you can't give just by random but entrant must show some "skill" so they get asked something very simple(wouldn't surprise if it was like "what was name of primarch that led Horus Heresy" or something like that Either case something that's silly easy for the target customer)

Peregrine wrote:Also, an important note for people in the US and Canada: you can enter for free. Under US law prize giveaways like this can not require a purchase to enter, you have to be able to enter for free. In the contest rules there's an email entry option that you can send in if you don't want to buy anything that would qualify.

All I see in the T&Cs is : "Countries: Open worldwide excluding USA, Canada, Ireland and Northern Ireland."?

4. To enter the prize draw, you must either:
(a) place an order on www.forgeworld.co.uk of at least £50 GBP excluding Virtual Gift Vouchers, Sales Tax and shipping costs (a “Qualifying Online Order”);
or
(b) send an email to competitions@gwplc.com with the subject line ‘Win a T’au KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour’. The body of the email must include: your full name; your contact telephone number; and your full address.

(Pretty obvious cut and paste error on the prize listed, but I'd call and verify if you want to enter that way.)

And note that this is not an optional thing for FW to offer. It's illegal to run a giveaway like this in the US and require a purchase to enter. If they want to have it open to US residents they are required to offer a free entry option. So if you ever see a contest in the US without one stated you should contact the company running it and tell them that they are breaking the law and must allow you to enter for free.

If I'm right in thinking, that's because a compo that requires a purchase become gambling?

I'm sure we've got the same thing in the UK. Or at least used to. Crisp Packet prize draws used to have the 'no purchase necessary, write in and we'll open a bag for you, honest' thing.

Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?

Someone please confirm this. I find it hard to believe Fires will ever truly be released.

Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?

Someone please confirm this. I find it hard to believe Fires will ever truly be released.

When is the next Open day for FW? Anyone know?

Next FW event is the HH weekender at the start of February. FW have released a IA book at a HH weekender before, I bought IA 13 at one before it went on general sale. However I would guess that would be too early as I can't see FW releasing an IA book featuring Tau before the Tau codex dropped.

The next big event that isn't AoS only is Warhammerfest in May, after that FW have an open day in July.

So either Forgeworld will release the new IA online when the Tau codex comes out, or they will likely wait till May?

Enginseer Kalashnikov wrote:http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343136-bit-of-info-from-the-open-day/
Apparently Cyraxus is coming out around March, anyone else heard about this? Can you clarify if this is right or not?

Missed that tidbit, hopefully it's true, interesting that the rumoured release schedule has Tau Codex for March, which seems to be more and more likely considering the schedule so far seems to be correct. Releasing Tau first half of March then Fires in the later half would make sense.

I really wish they would spend their resources on keeping existing models in production, or reintroduce out of production items. I want them to bring back transfers and etched brass items that's been oop for a while now. I guess FW orders them from one or more suppliers, and once the stock is depleted, they don't make any further orders, which is a shame.

Zingraff wrote:I really wish they would spend their resources on keeping existing models in production, or reintroduce out of production items. I want them to bring back transfers and etched brass items that's been oop for a while now. I guess FW orders them from one or more suppliers, and once the stock is depleted, they don't make any further orders, which is a shame.

They tried to bring transfers in-house, and even hired a designer for them - but they got transferred to other projects.

I would just sell this one right away. 200 gbp is nothing to sneeze at. Might enter it just for the sake of this reason - still have free shipping vouchers and there's ALWAYS something to buy from FW :'D

In this news update for the Horus Heresy and Necromunda Weekender, we’re looking at who will be attending this event:
As you can see from the list above, every aspect of the Forge World Studio Design Team will be here at the Horus Heresy & Necromunder Weekender ready to talk about the hobby and pass on any hints and tips to help you with your hobby in 2018!

Black Library bring along a staggering array of Authors & Artists to this years Horus Heresy & Necromunda Weekender

Taking place at The Nottingham Belfry Hotel on Friday 2nd, Saturday 3rd and Sunday 4th February, this sold out event is going to be a great weekend for all fans of Horus Heresy & Necromunda.

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.

The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.

The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.

I agree. Angelus has been a long time coming, Forgeworld know that they need to finish off the Legions - Rules wise. But knowing Forgeworld, Angelus has been delayed and Malevolence is a filler book to include Daemons

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.

The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.

I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.

The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.

I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.

Where did that date come from? If I remember correctly the last weekender they said either end of 2017 or early 2018...

Before Alan's passing Angelus was nearly completed, so that would mean FW wanted another 20 odd months to finish it off rather than 12 months or so that delivering it for this weekend. That seems way off considering how many people they have recruited to the team and based on what they said at the last weekender.

At the last weekender they confirmed that content already:
The Blood Angels Legion
The Dark Angels Legion
Daemons
The Dark Mechanicum
The Night Lords Legion

You really think it will be on sale? I'm guessing Angelus has been renamed or delayed.

The alternative is that they have no new HH rule book on sale, I just can't see that happening. Angelus is so late (understandable obviously) it has to be ready by now. I can't see them scrapping it as that story needs to be told to progress the BA, outside chance it'll be renamed but I'm doubtful, it would mean they added one or more other Legion and that Legion's story to the book.

I believe the last word regarding Angelus was late 2018. So I highly doubt it's been completed 6-8 months AHEAD of schedule.

"Angelus" as a book title doesn't seem to fit the rest of the series, so I'm guessing that "Malevolence" is simply its new title. But as someone said, it's possible the book has been split. Full army lists for BA and DA, plus Dark Mech units/rules, and a port (more or less) of the old Codex: Daemons with FW daemons added...seems like a LOT of rules content.

Where did that date come from? If I remember correctly the last weekender they said either end of 2017 or early 2018...

Before Alan's passing Angelus was nearly completed, so that would mean FW wanted another 20 odd months to finish it off rather than 12 months or so that delivering it for this weekend. That seems way off considering how many people they have recruited to the team and based on what they said at the last weekender.

At the last weekender they confirmed that content already:
The Blood Angels Legion
The Dark Angels Legion
Daemons
The Dark Mechanicum
The Night Lords Legion

Honestly, I'm not even confident that they'll hit that date. I'm not sure where you got the 'Angelus was nearly done' thing from, because I haven't heard that anywhere. But of course model development time could be a factor here, and we know that resources are tight at FW with everything going on there.

I feel like you haven't reached full acceptance of the realities at FW...

Wish I was going, but I just can't justify the ticket price. And of course, people snapping up multiples to try to sell on eBay for stupider money. Parasites.

As for slowed releases? It makes me wonder if these weeks were originally pencilled in for Adeptus Titanicus prior to it's delays. Pure speculation like, and probably wrong. But it does feel like something is missing.

After 30 years, the castellan of the Imperium is finally getting a model to match his legendary reputation. Say hello to Rogal Dorn:

Rogal Dorn is the next magnificent entry in the Horus Heresy Character Series and the latest Primarch to join his brothers in miniature form. Dorn is depicted imperiously surveying the battle around him, a bulwark against the tide of terrors that face the Imperium in the 31st Millennium.

Rogal Dorn has long been an iconic character, and his miniature draws on art and influences from across Warhammer 40,000’s history. We caught up with the designers to see how they brought this iconic figure to life:

Whether you’re a dedicated Horus Heresy player or you’re just an Imperial Fists fan who’s been itching to get your hands on a Primarch of your own, Rogal Dorn’s arrival is a momentous occasion. You’ll be able to order this guy for your army soon, and if you’re attending the Horus Heresy and Necromunda Weekender, you’ll have the chance to pick him up early.

Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

Very nice model, i like it. I think it can be the best primarch model released so far. The face is very very well done, it actually looks like a person and not some horrific doll (like most of the GW minis). The details are correct, not so cartoonish as some of the illustrations. The pose reflects very well the character of the lore character, stoic, tough, hard as a wall... That's a good thing. Really good.

It shows also that GW is capable and knows how to make well sculpted and beautiful models. It would be really nice if they put all these talent and good work in making nicer and more beautiful miniatures for their regular lines, and step away from the damned "heroic-scale" nonsense (that means ugly as hell models).

Jack Flask wrote:Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

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Ketara wrote:Kind of poor. It's as if the elements were there for a better model, but it's just lacking in execution. I've seen better conversion based off of other models.

You are allowed your opinions, even if they are wrong.

Personally I love the model, I love some of the more rediculous details being toned down. The pose is great and fits my image of Dorn.

Jack Flask wrote:Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

100% agreement from me. I have no idea what they were doing with this one.

I think all FW Primarchs sculpts lack a Helmeted option. They are the ideal opportunity to give them really crazy and fancy helmets (But thats maybe my "always with an helmet" bias) ... as others, everything about the miniature is good... expect the face.

EDIT: I correct myself, that face is exceptional.

I still like helmets more, but the expresion and painting 10/10. After many controversial paintjobs, FW has show what they can do with this.

I’ve asked the FW loot sharing FB group if someone can pick this up for me. Making Dorn my first Primarch model. The Imperial Fists aren’t even a legion I had much interest in before, that’s how much I love this model. I think it’s my favourite of the Primarchs.

Personally, I dislike the majority of the Primarchs (either due to sculpt or pose, often both). This is one of the few I think is very well done. It's almost shocking to me that it's not wildly swinging arms in a circle leaping off the kneepad of a Titan, grimacing with weapons twice the size of his body.

In a current aesthetic zone where GW is continually disappointing me with largely comically-overstyled stuff, this is a breath of fresh air.

That being said, I understand that the overwhelming majority of GW customers/consumers/fans are not exactly "less is more" types...so I understand why some people will be disappointed. I think my general opinion comes form law enforcement/military experiences where the real bad asses aren't the ones wearing t-shirts and tattoos to advertise it.

Galas wrote:I think all FW Primarchs sculpts lack a Helmeted option. They are the ideal opportunity to give them really crazy and fancy helmets (But thats maybe my "always with an helmet" bias) ... as others, everything about the miniature is good... expect the face.

EDIT: I correct myself, that face is exceptional.

I still like helmets more, but the expresion and painting 10/10. After many controversial paintjobs, FW has show what they can do with this.

EDIT2: Damm... now I only see an old Cristiano Ronaldo:

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Yup, that face is great. Not sure how good it would have to be to get no criticism.

Jack Flask wrote:Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

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I have to disagree. Anything that moves away from Blanche garbage is an improvement. No need for all the ridiculous bling. Most of the time its stupid and impractical.

I think the pose is fantastic as he doesn't look like he's dancing or fighting ghosts. He looks like a battlefield commander. Much like Creed. I think its one of the best primarchs yet. Vastly superior to Russ or Angron.

No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!

Jack Flask wrote:Wow, I'm a huge fan of the Imperial Fists and Dorn (I play an IF successor in 40k), but I have to say this model has left me speechless with disappointment.

Its as though they arbitrarily decided to throw out interesting elements of his armor from previous illustrations (the massive eagle pauldrons, gasping faces on his kneepads, etc), then downplay some of his most iconic elements into mediocrity (the eagle on his backpack is so small, his the Voice of Terra looks practically mundane, Storm's Teeth looks about the size of a normal eviscerator), and worst of all gave him such a horrible pose.

Maybe I'm an outlier, and I know for certain I'm biased, but I cant help but feel that design wise this is one of the worst primarch models Forgeworld has made so far.

I mean comparing it to previous art works is so hopelessly disappointing.

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I have to disagree. Anything that moves away from Blanche garbage is an improvement. No need for all the ridiculous bling. Most of the time its stupid and impractical.

I think the pose is fantastic as he doesn't look like he's dancing or fighting ghosts. He looks like a battlefield commander. Much like Creed. I think its one of the best primarchs yet. Vastly superior to Russ or Angron.

LOL! Blanche is the creator of the whole 40k aesthetic. You want to move away from that? Then you might wanna change setting or stick to the often generic videogame looking artwork we've got in most of the codexes lately...

Elbows wrote:Personally, I dislike the majority of the Primarchs (either due to sculpt or pose, often both). This is one of the few I think is very well done. It's almost shocking to me that it's not wildly swinging arms in a circle leaping off the kneepad of a Titan, grimacing with weapons twice the size of his body.

In a current aesthetic zone where GW is continually disappointing me with largely comically-overstyled stuff, this is a breath of fresh air.

That being said, I understand that the overwhelming majority of GW customers/consumers/fans are not exactly "less is more" types...so I understand why some people will be disappointed. I think my general opinion comes form law enforcement/military experiences where the real bad asses aren't the ones wearing t-shirts and tattoos to advertise it.

I agree. Rogal Dorn (alongside Horus and Roboute Guilliman) is primarily a commander, not a [/I]champion[/I], so the pose suits him. I quite like some of the other fighting poses, it's all in the context. Fulgrim looks a bit goofy on his own, but pair him up with Ferrus Manus as intended and suddenly that pose makes sense. Same goes for Leman Russ and Magnus.

No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!

LOL! Blanche is the creator of the whole 40k aesthetic. You want to move away from that? Then you might wanna change setting or stick to the often generic videogame looking artwork we've got in most of the codexes lately...

You need to tone down Blanche to get models that work in 3d. Blanche communicates clearly the wild energy and emotion of the setting, as though he were a madman living there.

If you want a model of this:

You'll need to tone it the flip down so that it has an internal aesthetic and balance and so that it can be reproduced by human sculptors in 28mm.

A direct reproduction of this:
would have been terrible.

The model looks far more grounded in Astartes power armour-which makes sense as Dorn is the most space marine of all primarchs (not a barbarian, not a monster, not a mage, not a cleric, not a smith, not a long haired nancy with wings, secret wings or dancers hips.)

He contrasts excellently with Guilliman, who also statically posed and modelled on Astartes armour, looks far more the statesman general than a warrior.

His sword looks like the master chainsword, his boltgun looks like the bolter-prime, being a second ed bolter with 1st-Ed and 3rd-Ed elements.

=Angel= wrote:The model looks far more grounded in Astartes power armour-which makes sense as Dorn is the most space marine of all primarchs (not a barbarian, not a monster, not a mage, not a cleric, not a smith, not a long haired nancy with wings, secret wings or dancers hips.)

He contrasts excellently with Guilliman, who also statically posed and modelled on Astartes armour, looks far more the statesman general than a warrior.

His sword looks like the master chainsword, his boltgun looks like the bolter-prime, being a second ed bolter with 1st-Ed and 3rd-Ed elements.

No, he's still pissed about Curze beating him nearly to death, so he's venting out on the 8th legion. I would really love to see someone do a diorama where Dorn is shredded laying on the floor all mangled, with Curze crotch by smiling!

LOLWUT?!?

And I now hate John French even more.

Didn't think that was possible!

Dorn was only beaten by Curze because Curze was fully armed and armoured and Dorn was in his bath robe...

guinness707 wrote: Love the pose but hate the gold. This is the only Dorn for me. Feth all the retconed jank.

Where is this from?

If memory serves it was in the Space Marine(epic1st ed) rulebook which had the original and best version of the heresy story (No fething smurfs or girlyman) again if memory serves it was a loooong time ago and beflre I discovered drink and all the good slaneshi stuff that messed with my memory.

SeanDrake wrote:If memory serves it was in the Space Marine(epic1st ed) rulebook which had the original and best version of the heresy story (No fething smurfs or girlyman) again if memory serves it was a loooong time ago and beflre I discovered drink and all the good slaneshi stuff that messed with my memory.

Guilliman gets more column inches than Dorn does in that 1st edition Space Marine rulebook, although we don't get a picture of him; Dorn and Horus are the only Primarchs pictured. Plenty of Ultramarines too, although part of their appearance is a two-page spread of a couple of dozen dead ones tied to the columns of a building. Conspicuous by their absence are the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard - the latter not having been invented at that point. And the Dark Angels were green. Not quite the original version - the location of Horus and the Emperor's battle was moved to Horus command ship (rather than the command bunker on the ground as described in Slaves to Darkness).

Technically that edition of Epic was set during the Scouring - after Horus had been killed - although all of the flavour text was set prior to the siege of the Emperor's palace.

I'm really disappointed with how amateurish these models look - their torsos are as long as their legs!
It almost looks as if they sculpted the top half in the wrong scale, then realized that they would be too tall - then decided to give them dwarfy legs instead of starting over.

A shame, because I really liked the Nazgul from the Dol Guldur sequences.

I didn't even notice that at first until you mentioned it. I've gotten so used to Primaris scaling (the only marines I've done in the past 3 years or so) that all "normal" 40k models look like Star Wars Galactic Heroes to me now. :(

I don't think that's how light/photography works unless the pic is taken through a fish eye lens or door peep hole. Maybe Fulgr... I mean Blanchey Valdor and Big Head Mode Shield Captain along with Intro to 3D Modelling 101 Space Wolf Praetor are the new normal?

I'm glad you pointed that out. I already had the wikipedia page for the Roman Emperor copied to link into a response. Yes, beyond the flamboyant pose with way too many Blanche style embellishements, his head because of the paint job looks like a cross between Schwarzeneggar's Mr. Freeze and Culture Club era Boy George.

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Azreal13 wrote:Although, TBF, androgynous is probably more accurate than feminine, but either way, not the visage I'd expect from one of the hardest blokes in the galaxy.

Wait... is that another joke? I've cranked up my inneundar to max gain after the last post.

Huh. The weapons are the only bit of those that jumped out at me as being appealing.

I'll reserve judgement on Valdor though, FW have put out a lot of character models of late that looked like arse in event pics but turned out real nice once I saw decent images of models painted by people other than their retainered guy(who's not bad, per se, just not to my taste).

EDIT: Like, why on earth would you choose a reddish-brown tone for the stonework on the big OTT base for a model that's mostly gold shaded down to a reddish-brown and a dark red cape? It makes him blend in at the edges especially at the top of the model, and then you have *just* the furry-feathery-wotsit bit in a blue-grey so it stands out far too much and cuts the model's silhouette in half. I take it back, it is bad.

Maybe it's the paint style and the photograph of a photograph, but Valdor but It's what I'd expect of a great triumphalist painting rather than a miniature. It's more like one of those ostentatious paintings of Napoleon I, designed to feed his ego.
Which is actually what I'd expect from the Custodies, they are supposed to have all sorts of symbolism and hints to their past deeds on the armour are they not?

Oh good, I was running out of what to buy from FW...I wonder if Valdor will have a helmeted head as well, since most other 'well know' marine chars do come with that option. Or I'd just put Eidolon's head it for extra pimp

I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.

gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.

It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).

gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.

It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).

Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two: