Chakotay was in Starfleet for twenty years before the series?

no, according to Caretaker after their two week trip he was going right back to jail, and Janeway would give him a good word at his next review

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Yeah, that's what she said - but not necessarily what she was planning on really doing with Tom afterwards. She certainly wouldn't promise too much, but promising less than was coming would be a good tactical move in bribing the somewhat likeable criminal.

Tom's conduct in "Caretaker" wasn't particularly saintly, so what made Janeway "change her mind" would be either the unexpected circumstances, or the fact that she and Starfleet had been planning on absolving Tom in the first place, or then both. Certainly the ship still retained a working brig for Tom to inhabit (and this might have been the safest place for him aboard a ship full of Maquis) if Janeway wanted to stay true to her word.

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I think she saw something in him, especially when he wanted to go down there to help Harry

If it wasn't for what was said in the pilot, you know canon, arguments could be made that she knew him as a child. Arguments could also be made that Tom Paris is still a child.

There's a line in the miniseries about alien abduction "Taken", where the snot nose girl from Blair Witch and Max headroom finally start frakking, despite a 25 year age difference and that he's her fathers best friend and subordinate.

If Luke and Leia had kids, before they figured out who they were to each other, would those inbred (Royalty and a hillbilly? Is it only the middle classes that look for nookie outside their familial group?) children would be extremely powerful force users?

Maybe that's why Jedi are not allowed to fall in love, because they're not allowed to breed becuase second generation jedi are too powerful to avoid courruption to the darkside?

They are not allowed to fall in love because the Jedi hierarchy were invested in being fascist control freaks and running a system first, with people second. Also why Jedi children were not allowed their own mothers from very young ages.

As to Tom being Janeway's son.. what did she give him away when she was a teenager? Surely in the enlightened future a teenager can keep their child with plenty of childcare available and whatnot since there is no money.

That's my point though, it's the FUTURE, there are holo-nannys. In the books B'Elanna gets a Klingon holo-nanny that can kick ass and read bed time stories. So you should be able to have a kid as a teenager and continue your starfleet career with your kid being cared for at home with the only requirement being home holo-emitters. Which would be very bad if your electricity went off but once again, it's the future. And because everyone is so enlightened no one is going to look down on you because you presumptuously reproduced in youth.

AND! You don't even have to go through the horribleness of pregnancy, you can get the baby beamed out and into a surrogate, maybe even a robotic surrogate that walks around and sneezes and farts and totally simulates growing inside a real human being.

That's my point though, it's the FUTURE, there are holo-nannys. In the books B'Elanna gets a Klingon holo-nanny that can kick ass and read bed time stories. So you should be able to have a kid as a teenager and continue your starfleet career with your kid being cared for at home with the only requirement being home holo-emitters. Which would be very bad if your electricity went off but once again, it's the future. And because everyone is so enlightened no one is going to look down on you because you presumptuously reproduced in youth.

AND! You don't even have to go through the horribleness of pregnancy, you can get the baby beamed out and into a surrogate, maybe even a robotic surrogate that walks around and sneezes and farts and totally simulates growing inside a real human being.

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Okay, I'm not a father, so let me see if I understand this:

In the future of Star Trek: The Teacake Generation, the 24th century is a validation of the positive effects of absentee parenting?

Absolutely. "We work to better ourselves." Notice Picard doesn't say we work to better or benefit others.

And ya know, if you didn't like nannys you could just get a holo-nanny of yourself! And Daddy too! And the kid would be like 10 years old before they realized that the people they spent 95% of their time with were not real.

Absolutely. "We work to better ourselves." Notice Picard doesn't say we work to better or benefit others.

And ya know, if you didn't like nannys you could just get a holo-nanny of yourself! And Daddy too! And the kid would be like 10 years old before they realized that the people they spent 95% of their time with were not real.

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Holograms were not usable as a servant (slave) class until 2364.

And still that functionality comes into question when you figure how pathetic the super holograms where from before the Bynars did their tinkering... Even if the love sick monkey couldn't get Minuete to be all foxy again.

Of course, anyone who believe in the interconnectedness of all fictional things, has to wonder if there was yet another fantastic leap in Holotechnology after the Moriarty Program was dissected and reduced to a personalitless utility function.

Holonanies are new.

We haven't seen the generation of humans produced by holonanies exit the academy yet.

^but how is it remotely possible to get pregnant in the 24th century....unless you really want to get pregnant

And so presumably if you want to have a baby, you would want to raise it yourself (especially in a culture where people do things to better themsleves) unless in the future, having children is simply a matter of sustaining a species and that kind of parenting has been abandoned (and people like Tom and B'lana who want to raise a family are actually an anomolous sub culture)

Then again, why would anyone get married, have children in a world of holo-technology...am i the only one that would spend all day in the holosuite with a group of teen vulcans that love anal....maybe the holosuite experience is similar to synth ale though....good but not quite as good as the real thing?...that's never been established though

This is like how a hundred years ago people opined how we hadn't seen the effects of television as a nanny yet. And now they opine as to how we haven't seen the effects of the plugged into the net babysitting yet.

They'll be fine. They'll be BETTER because the holonannys will make them do stuff their parents programmed them to make the kids do.

As to Catelyn.. her parenting pretty much ends with a male child as soon as he is old enough to train with swords and men. How well she may have loved either young Theon or Jon Snow we don't see, but we do we hear that they were lesser children of the house, and we know she resented Snow.