I still get their ads and when I see something I would have bought I remind them of my inquiry and say I would have bought this if you hadn't announced your policy review and tried to be political instead of business oriented. I think it's important for them to see the direct revenue loss especially from a high volume consumer like myself. How many hippies are going to buy more because they made this announcement about policy??? I doubt they are adding more business than they are losing so I am sure to remind them what they are losing from me.

Good deal. Every choice that a company makes has its consequences, sometimes positive, sometimes negative. I don't think people are swarming in to join up since the announcement about no range deals either. The biggest thing that changes company policies is a loss of revenue. Hopefully others are reminding them what their choice to step into the political ring is costing them.

B-dubs corporate policy is no firearms in their restaurants. All of the Michigan restaurants are owned by 1 person, and he is pro-gun and is ignoring that corporate policy, and won't put the no-firearms signs in his locations. So with that one, you can either boycott the corporation for their policy, or patronize the MI locations to support the owner who is standing up against the corporate rule.

Do you have any sources to back that up, or is it something that someone told you?

My boss came into my office today - he is a new-ish firearm owner and a recent CPL licensee - to show my his new carry gun. As I handed it back to him, I remarked that he had stood in that exact same spot ten years ago asking me if I thought it was inappropriate to ask one of our regular clients to leave her firearm in the car. She was licensed, but he was not entirely comfortable with the idea of her having a revolver in her purse, and considered posting a notice on our door to ask our clients and visitors to leave their firearms in the car before coming in.

My boss came into my office today - he is a new-ish firearm owner and a recent CPL licensee - to show my his new carry gun. As I handed it back to him, I remarked that he had stood in that exact same spot ten years ago asking me if I thought it was inappropriate to ask one of our regular clients to leave her firearm in the car. She was licensed, but he was not entirely comfortable with the idea of her having a revolver in her purse, and considered posting a notice on our door to ask our clients and visitors to leave their firearms in the car before coming in.

So, y'all ain't going to no more gun shows at the Gibralter Trade Center either then, right? They do NOT allow ANY loaded guns in the building. They do NOT allow open carry. They do NOT allow concealed carry with a CPL. And all guns that are brought in must be unloaded outside of the building and the actions strapped by security.

Interesting, the same people advocating to allow guns in the schools (many running these shows are affiliated with groups like the NRA) keep guns out of the gun shows. A friend has been looking into this at shows around the country and it is rampant.
So, I expect not to see any of you at these gun shows ever again since they do not allow you to exercise your right to carry loaded weapons legally.

How many of you are members of GLFWDA? If you look at the Safety Certification Form, there are no firearms allowed in vehicles on trail rides.

How many of you carried on recent GLFWDA sanctioned trail rides?
If you did you violated GLFWDA rules. If you did not carry, did you not do so because of respect for these rules? Why do you respect this particular no carry rule and not others?

This subject was discussed in great depth on the GLFWDA forum probably 8 years ago. First of all, GLFWDA has no jurisdiction over a person or their vehicle while on state land. Second, it falls under the state laws of preemption that says no local government body can restrict gun laws to a lesser extent than state laws. So, it is an out of date non issue. I suggested years ago that the rule be struck from the GLFWDA rules but no one wanted to step up to it. Bottom line, neither you or GLFWDA can tell me what I can or cannot have in my vehicle or supersede a state law.

As far as respecting GLFWDA, I'll put it this way. GLFWDA is not the governing body that dictates what I can and cannot carry. The constitution and 2nd amendment is.

To your other attempt at Drama, I do not know where the rule for gun shows comes from. I don't know if it is dictated by the gun shows or a law. But, I don't have a problem with it as there are hundreds of guns and thousands of people there and not everyone is as safe handling a gun in tight quarters as we might like. I can pretty much assure you that if a person started a mass shooting in a gun show, many of the people selling would lock and load and eliminate the problem in short order.

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This subject was discussed in great depth on the GLFWDA forum probably 8 years ago. First of all, GLFWDA has no jurisdiction over a person or their vehicle while on state land. Second, it falls under the state laws of preemption that says no local government body can restrict gun laws to a lesser extent than state laws. So, it is an out of date non issue. I suggested years ago that the rule be struck from the GLFWDA rules but no one wanted to step up to it. Bottom line, neither you or GLFWDA can tell me what I can or cannot have in my vehicle or supersede a state law.

As far as respecting GLFWDA, I'll put it this way. GLFWDA is not the governing body that dictates what I can and cannot carry. The constitution and 2nd amendment is.

To your other attempt at Drama, I do not know where the rule for gun shows comes from. I don't know if it is dictated by the gun shows or a law. But, I don't have a problem with it as there are hundreds of guns and thousands of people there and not everyone is as safe handling a gun in tight quarters as we might like. I can pretty much assure you that if a person started a mass shooting in a gun show, many of the people selling would lock and load and eliminate the problem in short order.

Jim, not sure why you would call either of my posts an attempt at . I take offense to that (well, not really).

My post about the gun shows was valid in the context of this thread. It is a place that restricts legal carry. This is something that is across the country so it would not be dictated by the state. I would assume that each individual gun show makes the restriction probably for the reason you state. And it is exaclty what Kerry asked for, valid links to places that restrict gun owners rights to legal carry so that she can avoid doing business with those that oppose her view.
Funny though, how you do not have a problem with that restriction because of the possibility of someone not handling a gun properly, but you choose no restriction anywhere else, even if the same condition of poor handling abilities exist.

Also, pointing out what GLFWDA has on thier webstie is also valid since it is on the website. My understanding was the check list was to be applied to all before allowing participation on a trail ride. I also know that the gun part of it was debated. But it still has not been removed which makes it pertinent for this conversation.

Now, my personal opinion is the same as yours. GLFWDA should not stick thier noses into what I carry as a personal item in my Jeep. Safety features that affect others during the course of driving, yes, but not personal items.

Restricting guns because of the fear that some may not be able to handle those guns in a situation (ie. gun shows) is something I think is up to the individual, business and location. If they choose to err on the side of caution I will still do business with them. I will not allow this particular stnad to change my mind. I will continue to go to Gun Shows, Bass Pro shop, GLFWDA trail rides (if my Jeep is ever road worthy again) and BW3.

Pete,
Calling your post an attempt at Drama was in poor form on my part. I apologize. It just kinda struck me that since I haven't seen you post in forever, this post struck me as someone who hasn't been around but took the chance to poke at the pro-gun crowd. If it wasn't, then I was wrong.

Now, regarding the gun shows, I consider that a far different situation than general carry. I will not make the arguement that every swinging hillbilly is as safe as he should be. But, when comparing it to concealed carry, it's night and day difference. Concealed carry means you have gone through a class that includes legal issues, safe gun handling and hands on shooting. I am not worried one bit about a person with a CPL. Nor am I worried about a person Open Carrying in public. But, at a gun show, a person can bring in any form of gun and although they "THINK" they have unloaded the weapon prior, people have been mistaken and accidents can happen. Hell, we've all seen the video of the cop shooting his gun in a classroom environment.

Keep this in mind. While either open or concealed carry, you NEVER unholster your weapon in public unless in a life or death situation. But, at a gun show, people are handling weapons for sale, checking to see if accessories fit, racking slides to check quality of the weapon, etc. Totally different. Even a guy who doesn't think he will unholster may end up doing so because he has a potential sale that he never envisioned.

Looking at it a different way, I can't speak for all, but most gun stores do not want you unholstering a loaded weapon in the store. If it's holstered, keep it there. If you want to take it out to discuss something with the gun store clerk, you are supposed to unload it before bringing it in the store.

So, loaded weapons at a gun show environment are far different than in the general public.

RE GLFWDA, I totally agree, it should be removed. However, since I am rebel that irritates the leadership, I won't bring it up. Feel free.

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But seriously, while we still have the old safety certificate posted on the website, GLFWDA discontinued it's use at our events several years ago. Our event insurance underwriters asked what our technical training and certification was to conduct such inspections, we said none, they said don't use it for our events. It is not enforced at any GLFWDA-sponsored event, although I do believe they have been made available to participants as a guide at some. So while I thank you for pointing it out Pete, we do not use the inspection forms as a requirement for participation and therefore no one has broken any rules (recently)

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