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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Again, for the millionth time, All QBs were gone
> before we EVEN PICKED AT 12.
>
> That's like 5 QBs. So how in the hell can you say
> that OURLADS was wrong. As a matter of fact, all
> those QBs went much higher (NOT LOWER) than
> OURLADS thought.
>
> YOU were the only one wrong by figuring we did not
> need one.

LOL. BECUASE except for one, Baker Mayfield .......THEY ALL BLOW like Stormy Daniels in a Hurricane.

I worry about Drew Lock. Look at his stats against teams that have decent defenses. His stats are way down. He will light up SW Missouri State and the likes for 500 yards and 4 TDs then all but disappears against the SEC elite teams.

I feel the same regarding Lock. I see too much Paxton Lynch in him. I think people are falling in love with highlight tapes, arm strength and workouts with this guy. Would not draft him at #13, maybe in second round.If we go qb at #13 I take Jones (provided Murray and Haskins are gone. I see just as much from Finley and Grier as I do Lock. Lock imo is this drafts Kyle Lauletta

But don't you think that against decent SEC teams his offensive line was getting blown up and he has very little time to throw. Not to mention if the D-line has stopped your run then you are just a sitting duck.

Basically, I am saying a guy like Tua sits behind this huge line and has all day to throw. Yea he looks good, but how good. Clemson sure made him look less invincible in the championship. 65% is great but he had games of near 90% and one game he was at 100%

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Tua Tagovailoa 22/34 295 8.7 2 2 21.1

(BTW I am not bashing Tua, he is just my example)

It all starts with a great offensive line. Dallas sure made Prescott and Elliott look awesome their first year. But then they showed who they really were in year two, because of injuries to the O-line.

Missouri had a good oline and Lock has a quick release. He gets the ball out. Mizzou had a good run game in 2018. Lock is 1-6 against ranked teams since 2016 and 0-2 in bowls for the same period. That says something to me.

There are things to like in Lock's game but Im not buying him at #13.
I could be wrong.

Astro34 - I agree. All some of these QBs have to do is throw the ball in the general vicinity of their All-American WRs and the ball gets caught. Also, those receivers get huge separation that doesnt happen in the pros.

I do like QBs that play on shit teams and have to throw to crappy wideouts but still succeed.

I have mostly seen Lock when he played South Carolina. He was ok but didn't strike me as all-world.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Afraid????????????
>
> And Lord, what makes WORSE sense than a team
> having LOST ITS starting quarterback, taking a
> quarterback in the first round of the next
> draft??????????????????
>
> Sorry to the rest of the posters, TREASURE DOES,
> because it is only SHOWING RESPECT to Ryan
> Tannehill to wait as many years as possible to
> draft our future 1st string QB.

Quite frankly Chy I think all the QB's in this years class are a reach to move up in the 1st round, which is why I'd rather see this franchise obtain picks for next year in order to move up if we have to in 2020. If we sell the house & barn this year for a QB we'll be totally screwed IMO. We'll may as well have nobody on the field except for a QB and what good is that?

Do You ever READ my posts or just gloss over them because you only know whats going on in that ego driven mind of yours?

I said and I would link to it if this place worked correctly:

IF Haskins drops to #13 I'd be all over it like white on Rice.

Murry? I haven't thought much about because I'm pretty convinced hes going to the Raiders. But I could be excited about his possibilities if he fell to #13. A trade to let another team get him wouldn't bother me either.

LOCK? No. I think hes a bust. I would much rather trade back .I like Jackson alot only as a 3rd round pick or above. Tons or potential there and we can score a valuable lineman or two as well.

Grieses, Spurriers, Staubachs, Aikmans, Romos, Bradshaws, Rothelisbergers, etcs. CAN ALL JUST AS EASILY BE FOUND IN THE 3rd or 4TH ROUNDS.

Here is what your not seeing. Its FUNNY......Why didnt you mention Dan Marino in that sentence? Hmmmmmmmmm Everyone of them had a GREAT TEAM. 72 Dolphins were so great the Dolphins back up kept the perfect season alive after Bob Griese’s ankle was broken in Week 5. The QB was merely a Cog in that great piece of undefeated machinery. THE TEAM was GREAT . The Coaching was Great. Therefore a good QB became great.

Marino was so good.....he became great despite the horrible defenses, non running game and coaching decline. When our defense was finally made superior by Jimmy Johnson he couldnt get Marino that running game like Elway had with Terrell Davis.

See that TEAM theme? See that WHOLE package concept? It starts in the draft. and when a Team is starting from scratch and has as many holes as we have you dont take chances of mediocre first round QB choices. You pick players who will make anyone look good. Offensive and defensive line. In the trenches. You pick guys like Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor in the later rounds. They are there. Guys like Wake who went completely undrafted. Hungry. Pampered 1st rounders have to be thoroughly interviewed. Do they have Heart? I'd almost trade out of the 1st round everytime then have to deal with a ego in the lockeroom. Thats my opinion. I like hard working Blue Collar players. I hate whiners and complainers. People that blame others. Tannehill will always have my utmost respect for never complaining and leaving here with class. I also think hes hungry and the Titans made a great choice. Tom Brady gets my respect as well because when the chips are down.....dont count him out. His character is very strong in that respect. I dont see that in this QB draft.

Murry is small. He has options in baseball and I think after a good hit might just leave. Lock is a Pus. I dont like him at all. Haskins can take a hit and keep on ticking. Like Tannehill. But Jackson? Man......I dont know.....I saw a video of him on You tube I wish I could post the link here. Hes a winner. I could see it. IF he had the right pieces and coaching.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> I'm going to slow this down for you to only one
> point per post. I have NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER
> said we should TRADE UP from 13.
>
> Either you are lying or its you who doesn't
> understand. Picking a QB at 13 is NOT the same as
> moving up. If you feel we should move up, that's
> your right. Just don't LIE about MY position.

Oh stop. Now your a victim. You cried ALL last year about having to get a QB in that can miss QB orgy. When the Arizona moved up in front of us you had a baby. You were all about moving up.

Now your seeing the light , listening to others and your claiming we shouldn't move up. Stop it. Stop defecting , no lies here and you know it. Just admit you were dead wrong and stop inventing excuses like a child.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Secondly, to anyone who really in his heart wants
> to agree with Treasure, think of this statement of
> his
>
> "Grieses, Spurriers, Staubachs, Aikmans, Romos,
> Bradshaws, Rothelisbergers, etcs. CAN ALL JUST AS
> EASILY BE FOUND IN THE 3rd or 4TH ROUNDS."
>
> Griese and Spurrier were drafted one after the
> other 1 and 2 in the 1967 draft. Treasure is dead
> wrong.
>
> Staubach was drafted late. That's one for you.
>
> Aikman WAS THE VERY PICK OVERALL PICK IN THE 1989
> draft. Treasure is dead wrong again.
>
> Tony Romo was not drafted. That's another for
> you.
>
> TERRY BRADSHAW WAS DRAFTED, LIKE Griese, Spurrier
> and Aikman, above THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE
> 1970 DRAFT. That's the third dead wrong for
> Treasure.
>
> Ben Rothelisberger was DRAFTED 11 OVERALL IN THE
> FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT. That's the first round
> and not the 3rd or 4th and really should get
> another DEAD WRONG FOR TREASURE.

God you are Obtuse.

Did you even listen consider my example on Griese ? I'll copy it again for you.....

72 Dolphins were so great the Dolphins "back up" kept the perfect season alive after Bob Griese’s ankle was broken in Week 5. The QB was merely a Cog in that great piece of undefeated machinery. THE TEAM was GREAT . The Coaching was Great.

THE TEAM won the greatest season ever. NOT GRIESE.

My second favorite QB of all time , Terry Bradshaw had one of the best defenses of all time.

I'll slow it down for you this time...........YOU DONT HAVE TO GET A FIRST ROUND QB TO WIN IN THIS LEAGUE.

Ask Tom Brady, Drew Breeze, Russell Wilson, Kurt Warner, Bret Farve, Steve Young , Joe Thiesman, And Your example Rodger Starbach
was actually found in the 10TH ROUND!! So if anyone is DEAD WRONG its you as usual.

And when Shula decided to start Griese in the Super Bowl after him having been injured the whole season.....

I thought Shula had gone mad.

A Purdue guy, here I was saying that Griese should stay on the bench.

I thought it was insane of him to bench Earl Morrall who had won practically every other regular season and definitely all the games leading to and including the AFC championship (or was it still the AFL then?)

I maintain that it's the offensive system and a QB that fits that system that makes a great QB. It's like putting a square peg in a round hole. We can draft the best QB available, but if he does not fit our system then he will not succeed.

astro34 Wrote:
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> I maintain that it's the offensive system and a QB
> that fits that system that makes a great QB. It's
> like putting a square peg in a round hole. We can
> draft the best QB available, but if he does not
> fit our system then he will not succeed.

Of course. that makes sense. That's why Chyrene doesn't get it.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> WOW! We have been back and forth on this so many
> times, I had assumed, like anyone with common
> sense, that the post I just referred to would be
> in another THREAD and not right above the nose of
> anyone reading this page.
>
> Here it is Treasure:
>
> I would bold it but that would bring out the black
> out phenom.
>
> It starts here.....................
>
> Secondly, to anyone who really in his heart wants
> to agree with Treasure, think of this statement of
> his
>
> "Grieses, Spurriers, Staubachs, Aikmans, Romos,
> Bradshaws, Rothelisbergers, etcs. CAN ALL JUST AS
> EASILY BE FOUND IN THE 3rd or 4TH ROUNDS."
>
> Griese and Spurrier were drafted AS PICKS NUMBER
> ONE AND TWO in the 1967 draft. Treasure is dead
> wrong.
>
> Staubach was drafted late. That's one for you.
>
> Aikman WAS THE VERY PICK OVERALL PICK IN THE 1989
> draft. Treasure is dead wrong again.
>
> Tony Romo was not drafted. That's another for you.
>
>
> TERRY BRADSHAW WAS DRAFTED, LIKE Griese, Spurrier
> and Aikman, above THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE
> 1970 DRAFT. That's the third dead wrong for
> Treasure.
>
> Ben Rothelisberger was DRAFTED 11 OVERALL IN THE
> FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT. That's the first round
> and not the 3rd or 4th and really should get
> another DEAD WRONG FOR TREASURE.

At a certain point one has to know the difference between stupid and ignorant. Ignorant only means lack of knowledge. We are all here ignorant of something, I speculate, ignorant of nuclear fission science, international trade, whatever. But stupidity is different. Stupidity is knowing all the choices and choosing the bad one when few others would. Let me put it like this Treasure. You are like the Dolphin management....in that you are NOT in the ignorant category but you ARE ....

But I can PROVE your tbe moron Chyrene! I do it in every exchange! You said we had to be in on the cant miss QB orgy last year in the 1st round. Which QB should we have taken, who would have put us in the playoffs? Stop trying to funny and whitty . You were dead wrong!!!! This year depends on who is available at 13. What's changed? We no longer have a franchise back. But your wrong if you think the only answer lies in the 1st round. Your ego wont let's yourself see past the first day.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!