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So I got called a disgusting pedophile pig today. It wasn't fun. A few weeks back I was casually seeing a woman (a FWB, really) and let's just say she was hirsute. Hirsute to the point where when I was doing her doggystyle and looked at her back it kinda seemed like a guy and it really turned me off. I broke it off, telling her that I simply wasn't attracted enough to fulfill my end of the bargain, she freaked out and asked if it was because of the hair. I should have lied, but I didn't.

Fast forward to today. I was chatting up another woman and asked her if she wanted to go out for dinner some time. Turns out she is a friend of woman #1 and read me the riot act about how I was a pig and a pedophile for wanting a hairless partner. Of course, I never said that I wanted a hairless partner, just that a bunch of body hair doesn't do it for me. There was no reasoning with her (and I obviously wasn't going to get the date) so I tried to end the conversation, but she actually yelled after me "Watch out for the pedophile!" MFW.

I really don't get it. I was upfront with the original woman and she went apeshit, going so far as lying to her friend who then made a whole damn Starbucks look at me like I was a criminal. Now I can't go back there because it was just too damn embarrassing. It shouldn't OK for women to accuse men of things like this when they feel they've been wronged, especially when the "wronging" came down to a matter of taste.

TLDR: Gave a girl the boot over her barbaloot suit, then her friend wouldn't give me the loot. Shoot!

EDIT: Everyone apologize to C0CKPUNCHER, because they were correct. I honestly can't believe anyone thought this was real, ESPECIALLY with that TLDR. Y'all need to get more internet smarts.

"Pedophile" shouldn't be used as a fucking insult. I find it abhorrent, and if anyone fucking called me a pedophile I would verbally rip them to shreds. I would make the entire room aware of how horrible that person is for accusing another person of being a pedophile as an insult.

There was a story on Reddit a few months ago where a guy was alluded of being a pedophile because he didn't want to give his nice, front-row seat on an airplane to the mother, because her kid had the seat that was next to him.

Thats when you look that lady in the eye and say, "I assume, Madam, that you are aware of what an erection looks like, Feel free to observe my crotch for the durration of the flight if it would aleviate your concerns". Then go directly to jail.

Not really. No one stood up to her for OP because he didn't need anyone to. He can most likely handle himself if she decided to get violent. She came across as psycho and made a fool out of herself and everyone at Starbucks knows it. OP dodged a bullet if you ask me. White knights won't get involved if you yell at a woman across the room.

I disagree. As rude as the woman was, it still comes down to free speech. She didn't infringe his rights in any way, she simply insulted him. He may possibly have a slander case, but I doubt anyone would press such a case against a male or a female because there was no financial loss involved.

Edit: Oh sure, downvotes for being logical and going against the lynch-em mob mentality.

That wouldn't have helped any. His attacker was fully tribal at that point. Any good argument would be met with deflection. The most he could do is get her to scream at him but that would only help if the crowd was previously dispositioned in his favor.

It's not a "feminist" thing, though. I've heard plenty of people who love hair blabbering about how anyone who shaves or waxes looks like a little kid and they feel like a pedophile, regardless of political stance.

Actually, the woman I'm thinking of is oddly aware of her sociopathy and manipulative ways. Whether her self awareness leads to actual self improvement is another issue.

And yes, I did tell her I didn't appreciate hearing that, and she no longer says those things. The only reason she was calling me gay in the first place is because she wanted me to really want her, and I wasn't responding appropriately (in her mind).

I turned down the advances of a drunk co-worker, not because she wasn't attractive, but because she was off-balance and actually had a restraining order in place from her ex boyfriend that she physically assaulted. We were on my couch waiting for two other co-workers to come over so we could go out for the evening, and she just went upstairs into my room, locked the door, started crying, and screaming I must be gay. I had never even let her into my room before that, and had never made so much as a move towards her.

This is female aggression right here buddy. The goal is to throw you off balance as much as possible in terms of your mental well-being and sense of identity, to trash your reputation, and to ostracize you as much as possible. Women are much more aggressive and much nastier and cruel about it then are men. And, they can't let anything go. I would try to save/record anything I could find. Also, if you wanna talk trash back don't do it in writing and try to make sure you're not being recorded. This women is slandering you. If you were a rich guy, you could just get some evidence (printouts, recording) and have your lawyer send her a warning letter. But, make no mistake, you are the one in the right here and what she is doing to you is wrong and illegal.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that you slept with the first girl? If you didn't like her you shouldn't have slept with her. You should have been completely honest and walked away. As for the pedophile comment, it seems a bit much, but, there is no way of knowing what the other girl told her about you. Well, on to the next date...

Double-standards with men getting the short end just for being men. OP was ostracized for rejecting a girl for his own reasons, perfectly within his right to do so, whereas "society" (or at least feminists) would have them stay together because "he should see her inner beauty" or some such nonsense.

Preaching to the choir, then? Perhaps OP found this the most appropriate place to vent his frustration, among a group of what he has determined are peers who might offer advice or sympathy. I'm just spitballing, though.

True this is only an anecdotal story relating to a few individuals, however this doesn't mean it cannot be used to open discussion of gender issues at large, and for more people to share their individual perspectives.

While I agree with the comments below saying the woman's attitude is unreasonable, it will do no harm to learn some better social skills. It is possible to reject people without giving offence; many modern self-improvement books give advice on this. I would recommend the original, Dale Carnegie's How to Make Friends and Influence People.

What if she had said to him "heyyyyyy this has been great but your dick is just TINY- not for me kthanxbye" his ego would be a little bruised too. Not saying calling him a pedo is acceptable- it isn't. But he could have used some tact. "hey, this isn't working for me anymore, it's been fun though! See you around" would have sufficed.

Not hard at all. But honeyinthelion was drawing a comparison between the OP and a hypothetical woman telling a man, unprompted, that she's rejecting him because of his penis size, so I pointed out that the two situations are not equivalent.

How hard is actually checking the context in which a post was made before responding to it?

Look. I'm a female men's rights sympathizer. But this guy is totally right. You have no idea to what lengths women go to cradle and nurture your fragile male egos.

Does "better social skills" mean "lying"? Occasionally. To some degree. Just like when we say that we don't fantasize about other men, or act like your dick is the biggest in the world, or "perfect-sized" or you give us orgasms every time, we don't mind your smell or your stupid family - whatever it is, it's reciprocal. It's social grace.

Charming people are able to make the people around them feel comfortable, or even better about themselves. OP wasn't being honest, he was being a prick. I won't say he "got what he deserved" (the "friend" in this situation definitely is in the wrong), but he can't possibly expect a positive response to his social ineptitude. This has nothing to do with gender by the way. If this was his gay butt-buddy, same result.

I don't end up in uncomfortable conversations about the size of my dick because I don't ask questions about the size of my dick. I'd agree with you if he had just volunteered his opinion out of the blue, but she specifically asked him if it was the hair and he just answered honestly.

Why should he lie here? He's just going to convince her that it's not a problem and she may very well assume it's not a big deal when, for all we know, he's the third guy to break up with her over this very issue.

If it's something the person can't change, it's probably better not to mention it. No good can come from feeling hurt over something you can't do anything about, but body hair is definitely an issue that can be addressed and I have to disagree that he was wrong to give an honest answer when it was requested from him in the first place.

You have no idea to what lengths women go to cradle and nurture your fragile male egos.

Oh, thanks so much for your consideration.

Don't come here and patronize us, sympathizer. Either you're for equality or you're not. You made an ok point about social skills but undermine your entire position by being a bitch. This isn't an attack against women, or feminism. Just you.

Lol, check the OP's post edit. The mob mentality here is just as bad as forums dedicated to lady parts. God forbid you call someone out for being a jerk; everyone will downvote you to hell.

If the roles were reversed and this was posted in a lady-forum, they'd all react the same way you guys have here. No doubting that. And also no doubting that girls would downvote someone to hell for suggesting she was a jerk. It's all about the hive-mind, I guess.

But seriously, it'd be a dick-move from a horn-dog when committed by either sex. And friend #2's reaction would be horrible from either sex.

Imagine you go to a sandwich shop. You ask for a sandwich, take a bite, then tell the vender it's not good enough then leave it on the counter. Would you be surprised if the vender insulted you? Would you be surprised if the vender's friend insulted you when you tried to buy a sandwich from them?

Where the fuck did I say he should keep fucking her? Why should I keep posting if you are making shit up rather than meaningfully addressing what I said?

Nobody gives a shit about your choice, the op was rude - and then complained he was insulted back - that's it. If you don't want to be insulted don't insult people.

Imagine you go to a movie with a friend. Do you leave 20 minutes in, tell them they're intolerable then get surprised to be insulted back.

It's rude to waste people's time, nobody owes you shit. This in no way means you can complain that the person demands too much, the person just expects not to be jerked around.

Look at you - you are fucking complaining that I didn't spend enough time answering random disagreements on the internet - yet you expect the woman not to complain for getting left hanging for no reason given but back hair, no apology, no 'please wax', no fucking figuring out what he wanted before he fucked her?

You would complain if you were in a queue at the supermarket and the person in front dithered with their coins, but you don't think the woman can complain about a guy who thought she was fuckable, fucked her, then decided not quiet fuckable enough. Would you complain if a girl answered the phone while fucking you? Would you complain if she dumped you because you had too much hair?

Fuck I pity anyone who arranges to meet you at the cinema, you might decide not to and call them when they are already there. Then blame them and complain if anyone criticizes you.

You're not some hotshot that gets to dismiss people with a wave. If you treated a waiter like the op treated the woman, you would get crap in your food.

How the fuck do you expect anyone to care at all about men, if you think a girl with hair on her back deserves shit for it. Sigh. If I dont' answer back to you undoubtedly entirely missing the point post about your choice to do stuff (which is not in any danger you idiot), don't complain -again- because that is hypocritical.

It has nothing to do with gender - it's about giving people the time of day.

There I fucking wasted my time elaborating for you. You don't deserve mensrights - you don't respect others, you don't get respect.

It's sooo fucking simple, there is no reason for me to explain this shit to you, grass is green, treat human beings like human beings, don't half ass don't double book don't jerk people around.

Lordy, Lordy, imagine that. I would be surprised if the vendor didn't give me my money back right away, yes. And yes, I would be very surprised if the vendor's friend called me a pedophile if I tried to buy a sandwich from them. In fact, if I were with someone, I would be legitimately slandered and damaged enough to sue both their asses.

EDIT: /u/C0CKPUNCHER completely edited his comment after I replied to him. I was not alerted to this. His original comment said something very stupid about an imaginary sandwich about how I should expect to be insulted by a sandwich vendor and all his sandwich vendor friends if I were to not eat the food the sandwich vendor gave me. That's what this reply was to.

your comment was very unclear. i asked for clarification. it is still unclear, even after your long rant.

the op was rude

the op was not rude, he was honest

Look at you - you are fucking complaining that I didn't spend enough time answering random disagreements on the internet - yet you expect the woman not to complain for getting left hanging for no reason given but back hair

she didn't complain. her friend called him a pedophile in public. did you read the OP?

You would complain if you were in a queue at the supermarket and the person in front dithered with their coins

this is untrue

Would you complain if a girl answered the phone while fucking you? Would you complain if she dumped you because you had too much hair?

nope

Fuck I pity anyone who arranges to meet you at the cinema, you might decide not to and call them when they are already there. Then blame them and complain if anyone criticizes you.

how do you know this? are you okay?

You're not some hotshot that gets to dismiss people with a wave. If you treated a waiter like the op treated the woman, you would get crap in your food.

i hope you're not a waiter

How the fuck do you expect anyone to care at all about men, if you think a girl with hair on her back deserves shit for it.

he didn't give her shit. he was honest with her.

It has nothing to do with gender - it's about giving people the time of day.

?

There I fucking wasted my time elaborating for you.

Thanks?

You don't deserve mensrights

fuck you

you don't respect others

you are a liar, sir

you don't get respect.

clearly

It's sooo fucking simple

are you sure?

there is no reason for me to explain this shit to you

you're right, but thanks anyway

grass is green

i'm half blind in one eye, thanks for the reminder. i can forget that sometimes

treat human beings like human beings

like that hypothetical waiter you admire who put crap in somebody's food?

Why didn't you simply call her out on her bullshit right then and there ?

The secret to defending yourself against an accusation like that is to make an equally obnoxious and loud proclamation of your own about the person making the unfounded one about you .

So , for example : She calls you a pedophile so you deny it . As soon as you deny it , point out to her that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones . After all , if she lives in a glass house and she throws stones at other people's houses , sooner or later one of those guys is going to upload that picture of her x-ray from when she had to have the broken-off cucumber removed from her vagina because it was rotting and could have become infected .