Post by Si modo on Nov 7, 2012 12:00:11 GMT -5

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by highgravity on Nov 7, 2012 12:49:39 GMT -5

War is what it would take, the Iranians and any other people in the region don't take agreements made with the West seriously, they just don't. I personally do not want another war, I have been in the Military for 7 years and been deployed twice, I have seen friends of mine destroyed by repeat deployments there, I can't vote for another war.

Post by amelia on Nov 7, 2012 16:47:20 GMT -5

America just voted for the path which leads to Iran having the bomb. Waiting to take action until our porous intelligence tells us that they have enough fissile material and are already looking for a means of delivery. Which means waiting until it's too late to stop them.

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by highgravity on Nov 8, 2012 11:23:44 GMT -5

If we go to war with Iran we need to just destroy it, not rebuild it. That sounds bad but there it is.

Agreed.

War is ugly.

But, I honestly believe we will use Israel as a proxy. All hell is going to break loose. It's been the writing on the wall for years.

And, I don't think Obama is the man who can handle it. Nor do I believe Romney would have been.

Herman Cain? Hell yes.

Allen West could also, Iran has already said if Israel strikes them Iran will be launching air strikes on US bases in the Middle East and Afghanistan, so we will be dragged into it one way or the other.

Post by Si modo on Nov 8, 2012 11:26:17 GMT -5

But, I honestly believe we will use Israel as a proxy. All hell is going to break loose. It's been the writing on the wall for years.

And, I don't think Obama is the man who can handle it. Nor do I believe Romney would have been.

Herman Cain? Hell yes.

Allen West could also, Iran has already said if Israel strikes them Iran will be launching air strikes on US bases in the Middle East and Afghanistan, so we will be dragged into it one way or the other.

Agreed on both counts.

There is zero chance that we won't be dragged into this. Even if the off chance existed that we had nothing to do with anything Israel did, the ME conflates the USA and Israel by default.

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by highgravity on Nov 8, 2012 11:33:42 GMT -5

Allen West could also, Iran has already said if Israel strikes them Iran will be launching air strikes on US bases in the Middle East and Afghanistan, so we will be dragged into it one way or the other.

Agreed on both counts.

There is zero chance that we won't be dragged into this. Even if the off chance existed that we had nothing to do with anything Israel did, the ME conflates the USA and Israel by default.

Exactly, just like back when we attacked Iraq during Desert storm, Saddam sent cruise missiles into Israel for retaliation. We need to get ready because this is going to happen.

Post by Si modo on Nov 8, 2012 14:57:19 GMT -5

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by Si modo on Nov 8, 2012 15:06:38 GMT -5

I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across a bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully. I am an American. ... a tradition

Post by daveman on Nov 8, 2012 15:14:31 GMT -5

This President has a habit of not offending radical Islam. Note how they refuse to label the Fort Hood shooting an act of terrorism. Because of that, the victims and their families aren't getting certain benefits.

Post by amelia on Nov 8, 2012 15:23:57 GMT -5

I pretty nearly hate Obama. Hate's not quite the right word. But I think he's one of the lowest, most craven politicians I've ever seen. I used to compare him to Carter. Now I compare him to Nixon. And America deserves a lot of pain for voting for him.

Post by daveman on Nov 8, 2012 15:27:06 GMT -5

I pretty nearly hate Obama. Hate's not quite the right word. But I think he's one of the lowest, most craven politicians I've ever seen. I used to compare him to Carter. Now I compare him to Nixon. And America deserves a lot of pain for voting for him.

Post by Swagger on Nov 8, 2012 15:57:38 GMT -5

2. Credit where credit's due. Iran's manoeuvred the West into a very tight corner re. the West's geopolitical presence in the Middle East.

I doubt Iran really wants to "wipe Israel from the map", because in doing so they'd be destroyed by America and her allies. Iran has a comparatively basic nuclear arsenal and and even more limited means of projecting it unless the Russians or the Chinese provide them with the means to do so. And it would be hard for either of them to deny that they had, not to mention being against their innediate interests. The regime in Iran is no-doubt well aware that the prospect of another war in the Middle East is unpopular in the U.S. and Europe, as people at home and abroad know that we've got absolutely nowhere in Afghanistan and Iraq; and that after the coalition withdrawl, they'll go back to being what they were... in some shape or another. My guess is that they've anticipated America's attention shifting towards them, and they've made strides in providing a strong deterent they know will be taken seriously. Remember, America and her allies have never directly threatened war with a nuclear-armed country.

Re. The West and Israel. Iran knows that America et al. will be more than reluctant to launch another invasion, especially as the enemy will have nukes at their disposal. But the West knows that Iran can't replenish their warheads without watertight assurances of overall success from their likely suppliers: Russia and China. There's the stalemate, with Israel caught in the middle. Before Israel could rely on the unconditional support of Washington. Now Washington's visibly more reluctant to launch another campaign in the Middle East, thus Israel will be more inclined to cease throwing its weight around now that the cavalry's tired and lacking the means they had before.

Post by The Infidel on Nov 10, 2012 14:21:45 GMT -5

I pretty nearly hate Obama. Hate's not quite the right word. But I think he's one of the lowest, most craven politicians I've ever seen. I used to compare him to Carter. Now I compare him to Nixon. And America deserves a lot of pain for voting for him.

America will GET a lot of pain for electing him.

That is what scares me...

And I am extremely pissed that an attack on us was hidden AGAIN!!

I wonder what it will take to wake up the idiots in this nation.

I can not even watch Obama on TV any longer.. I find myself wanting to take a brick and chunk at the TV.

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