If you going to discuss it, at least get the fact straight. It isn't called global warming any more...it's "climate change". :deadhorse:

And the largest piece of evidence that it is not man made is that it's taking place on the other planets as well. Worst case scenario is that all of the efforts to combat it will be effective and bring on massive global cooling once the solar cycle passes.

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The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject.- Marcus Aurelius -

"Global Warming' we can't do much about. Pollution, on the other hand, is a bad thing no matter how you look at it - and we can do something about that. What the global warming hysterics didn't understand was sooner or later the people were going to figure out they didn't have a clue of what they were talking about and the point that we should take care of our planet would be lost - and lose credibility, too. Idiots.

And the largest piece of evidence that it is not man made is that it's taking place on the other planets as well. Worst case scenario is that all of the efforts to combat it will be effective and bring on massive global cooling once the solar cycle passes.

And the largest piece of evidence that it is not man made is that it's taking place on the other planets as well.

Exactly.There's also the little problem that we can't solve: knowing exactly what factors were in play during all the previous climate changes in the history of the planet. We can find certain evidence via ice core samples, but it really doesn't tell us enough to definitively say that human presence has any effect whatsoever on climate change.

You can make a case either way with so called facts. It really is such a political issue. The right doesn't believe it, the left does. Statistics can be skewed to the position you want to advace. I think with how inconsistant climate is no one can prove it either way. That being said, taxing the crap out of bussineses because of ifs and maybes is just another way of controlling the free market

follow the money, and in this case, follow the power/control. who wins and who loses in this debate. free market loses. developing countries lose. consumer loses. governments, UN, and speech makers, win.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

the whole of earth was a jungle around the time of the dinosaurs. then there was a modest cooling trend around 12000 years ago...It was consumerism causing both I'm sure of it (And you can guarantee some pseudo-scientist would try to make it man's fault somehow.)Kilimanjaro is recovering it's ice cap, the polar bears are fine, I think my house was supposed to be beachfront THIS YEAR.