"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
Arthur Jones believes, "has all but
destroyed the actual great value
of weight training. Something
must be done . . . and quickly."
The New Bodybuilding for
Old-School Results supplies
MUCH of that "something."

This is one of 93 photos of Andy McCutcheon that are used in The New High-Intensity Training to illustrate the recommended exercises.

simon-hecubus wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
You said progression doesn't work, but then failed to provide an alternative, I asked and you dodged. How do you go about building bigger stronger muscles if you don't aim to progress, what do you do?

Don't put words in my mouth, troll boy.

I was talking about Hypertrophy, now you're going on about Strength. Now who's dodging?

Show me where I said that Progression doesn't work for Strength and I'll eat my hat. What I did say is that progression, as a means to trigger Hypertrophy, will stop working for the great majority of non-mesomorph trainees, as they reach advanced stages.

"You said progression doesn't work". Geez, you should go to work for Fox News with that cherry-picking BS.

Sorry to pop your bubble, troll boy. You were all proud of your gotcha on the subject of Oranges -- unfortunately I was talking about Apples.

Go crawl back under your bridge and get some shuteye; you're straining your pea-brain here.

So what is your alternative to progression for hypertrophy?

I've always found building functional strength whilst eating to sustain lean mass gain to work very well for hypertrophy.

The eat for growth route is a slippery slope for me. I put on the wrong weight easily, even if following a progressive regimen. My hats off to anyone who can make that work.

Let's be straight about one thing, w/o any oversimplification: No matter what methods I employ to squeeze out any more size, progression still plays a part.

It is just my contention, that Progression Alone is not the path that works for many, or there'd be a lot more jacked MFs running around.

In addition, do not assume that I diminish the need for strength training. It very important to me as I get older that functional strength be maintained. It's also important to note that compound (movement) proficiency also assists in 1) maintaining bone density and 2) more muscle involvement = better overall cardiac and pulmonary conditioning.

That concludes my disclaimer to avoid any undue twisting of words later on. I will have to get back to you with specifics later, perhaps this weekend if I have time. However, the methods employed are well documented in many threads.

The eating for growth thing applies mostly to ecotmorphs just starting out and/or individuals who are very lean. Someone once said if you can pinch an inch or more of fat around your waist you are probably eating enough as that can be indicative of excessive calories.

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
The eating for growth thing applies mostly to ecotmorphs just starting out and/or individuals who are very lean. Someone once said if you can pinch an inch or more of fat around your waist you are probably eating enough as that can be indicative of excessive calories.

I disagree HeavyHitter; eating for growth applies just as well at the advanced level, development wise. To simplify, consider there is no way a 150 lb muscular athlete is ever going to become a 200 lb muscular athlete without eating more food. This relationship doesn't stop there and the 200 lb muscular athlete who aspires to grow larger still must of course eat more food.

I know you wanted me to chime in (LOL!) but look at couple of advanced examples you've seen on this board in the past few years; BIOFORCE bulked up into his 60's and built larger arms for it and Josh has been staying fat to build more size.

Don't you think other advanced athletes could benefit from their example?

Tomislav wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
The eating for growth thing applies mostly to ecotmorphs just starting out and/or individuals who are very lean. Someone once said if you can pinch an inch or more of fat around your waist you are probably eating enough as that can be indicative of excessive calories.

I disagree HeavyHitter; eating for growth applies just as well at the advanced level, development wise. To simplify, consider there is no way a 150 lb muscular athlete is ever going to become a 200 lb muscular athlete without eating more food. This relationship doesn't stop there and the 200 lb muscular athlete who aspires to grow larger still must of course eat more food.

I know you wanted me to chime in (LOL!) but look at couple of advanced examples you've seen on this board in the past few years; BIOFORCE bulked up into his 60's and built larger arms for it and Josh has been staying fat to build more size.

Don't you think other advanced athletes could benefit from their example?

Ha, I figured you might. :) Yeah, objectively, I think there is some merit to what you are saying. I think a lot of it just comes down to genetics and some people I think go overboard with the overeating as they are not even stimulating growth with their workouts, and some that are might be very advanced and really don't require that many more calories over maintenance. I think Menter's approach in Heavy Duty II on how to increase calories makes the most sense for those who might need it.