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Dear sr this is the first tme i am writing about the incident , i am really scared. I went to a lap dance where it lasted for about 10 min roughly . the first 5 min she had her panties on. the next 5 min she was completely naked, i always had my jeans on and remember cummng in my pants verywell, but i fell maybe my penis slipped up my jeans and maybe she touched her vagina to it. i dnt knw if she was wet or no.but i guess a lap dancer is a professional and wont be wet . sir /mam wht if by chance maybe she was wet and happen to touch the tip of my uncurmsized dick? am i at risk. Please help me as i am dying of fear and if not of aids will die of a heart attack. Thanks in advance.

Also i feel she cant keep beiing wet, even if she was the fiirst 5 min she would have rubbed it off my jeans and t shirt and the next 5 min what may be the odds of her being wet and touchng the tip of my penis which slipped up from my jeans. but i am thinking about the worst case secanrieo. if secroversions take place aft 22 days can i get tested on the 24th day, it wll ease my mind

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Getting a lapdance is absolutely NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has ever been infected through a lapdance and you will not be the first.

Sexually speaking, the only proven risks for hiv infection are unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. You did not engage in unprotected intercourse.

It doesn't matter if the head of your penis or your foreskin touched any of her fluids during the dance. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

For this reason, you are not going to become infected with hiv during a lapdance where no penetration has taken place. You are also not going to become infected by any fluids that may leak through your clothing.

You are worrying needlessly.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER A LAPDANCE, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

its my first tme on this forum i dont knw how i will be able to read ann s message, it shows replies zero but ann has changed the post to no rsk lapdance, so thanks ann i knw tht i am being i being heard, lets assume the worrst ann even if maybe the wet vagina touches my penis head wht are the odds and can i get tested on the 23rd day for antibodies. i hope i am not being a pest i promise once answered i wont bother you . thanks in advance again.

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Getting a lapdance is absolutely NOT a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has ever been infected through a lapdance and you will not be the first. You do NOT need to test over this incident. You had NO risk.

Sexually speaking, the only proven risks for hiv infection are unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. You did not engage in unprotected intercourse.

It doesn't matter if the head of your penis or your foreskin touched any of her fluids during the dance. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

For this reason, you are not going to become infected with hiv during a lapdance where no penetration has taken place. You are also not going to become infected by any fluids that may leak through your clothing.

You are worrying needlessly.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER A LAPDANCE, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

thanks ann u r the greatest and thanks for u r promt reply also, tonite is the 13th night i have not slept due to tension. i just cant concentrate, i have never had sex (protected or unprotected ) in my life. do u suggest tht in my given situation there is 100 percent no risk , hence no testing is advisiable?also in case i just want to do it to rest my mind at peace can i do antibodies testeing at23rd day of lap dance.thanks ann u dnt knw wht u r reply means to me god bless

thanks ann for u r kindest reply, Sir rapidRod and Andy Sir could i please have your opinions as well it will help me a lot in my studies and to go on with my life which after this incident has completely stopped. once again thanks ann.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

ann said yesterday *Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.*i was thinking if my dick touched her vagina , the virus would not die in case there is not change in temperature and moisture levels and liquid from wet vagina to tip of the penis.please help sir madam anyonethanks in advanceland

also i read this on am i infected in one of the posts, It is transmitted when a viable particle meets a receptive blood or dendritic cell. These cells are concentrated in very few areas of the body, mainly the vagina, head of the penis and urethra, and interior of the anus.

Thanks andy for u r promt and quick reply , ok one last question is tht I still am a bit worried and may be like u rightly siad its my fears which have taken over , on tonite is the 2nd week after exposure . Can I get tested just now and bank on those results or should I wait for 6 or 13 weeks , andy u r god for me , thanks

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dear sir, thankyou with your advice, i am planning to have unprotected sex with my girlfriend , as we are going seadty for 5 years. i know she does not have hiv as she has got herself tested in college itself. as far as i am concerned i have nevr had unprotected sex or protected sex in my life, so i have no risk except the last incident.i think i should go for it, i take u r advice and prove myself hiv negetive, as even testing on myself wont help as since(wht i think is an exposure its been 18 days exact).please guide not for me but for my partnerthanks.p.s. aslo i dnt know how it works but is there any way i can contribute in a monetary fashion to help with the great work you guys are doing.god blessland

As we've already told you (see reply #4), you should be using condoms until such time as you and your partner have both tested for hiv and all the other STIs as well TOGETHER before you stop using condoms. From what you describe, I fully expect you both to test negative, but what you decide to do is up to the pair of you.

This website is based in the US and therefore it is not very convenient to accept donations from outside the States. (we do not have a pay-pal type donation system set up here)

However, we do recommend that you help out locally. You can find an ASO (Aids Service Organisation) near you by searching the ASO database at aidsmap.com. I'm quite sure an ASO near you would be thrilled to accept your donation. When you help one of us, you help all of us.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

ok thanks i will get myself tested, on monday it will be on the 20th day from the incident , but the secroconversion takes place after 22 days right? so do u advice me to get tested after 22 days ?and i will get in touch with my nearest ASO asapthanks ann

ok thanks i will get myself tested, on monday it will be on the 20th day from the incident , but the secroconversion takes place after 22 days right? so do u advice me to get tested after 22 days ?and i will get in touch with my nearest ASO asapthanks ann

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dear reader, pla understand my mentality i am really tensed, i dnt know y, its been 20days since the exposure and today i went to a lab where the dr suggested me hiv 1 viral load by real time pcri gave my blood and i am called after 6 days to collect the results, he said it would ease my mind as this test costed me 90 usd.i have never seen a hiv report in my life, does it say just negative or positive? or it comes with some numbers and values? once i get my report i will write back.is this test same a hiv rna pcr ,w hich ppl do after 7 days of exposure?is this the right test he has given me as one more was alaviable named qualitative something.i read some where tht any early detection test should be followed by hiv duo test aft 28 days?so i should have waited 28 days and got tht test done ? but this is the scene. sorry and thanks please dont ban me as i have no other guidence than you guys, my humble requestthanks

Your RNA PCR test will come back as "undetected", which means negative. I'm certain that's what you'll get - you have not had a risk for hiv infection as we keep telling you.

This is ridiculous. I can't help but wonder if your doctor gets a kick-back for ordering totally unnecessary tests. You should have sent that money to your local ASO where it could have done some good instead of throwing it down the toilet on a test you did NOT need.

I'm giving you that Time Out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Dear sir , I have a new question . I got myself checked in london 2 days ago for hiv duo test . The test came out negative (thanakgod) but the doctor took blood from my hand with a needle , which I am not really sure if was new or old .Before the piercing the needle was lying on the table for at least 15 min as me and the doctor spoke. But I fear since it was a hiv speciality clinique some one must have used tht needle before me , I mean some one positive . As most ppl who come there are positive. Is there any chance of an infection , keeping in mind that the needle was idle for 15 min.Thanks

Also i got a blow job with a condom and ten removed the condom only to find some sticky stuff on my penis head. i know its no risk at all , after reading everyones and the administrators posts.

But since that day its been 7th week now dry cough is persistant and also there is a pain in my throat which hurts when i swallow. is this symptoms of HIV. is there any test after the 7th week

also after the doctor used the needle to take blood from my hand , there is a blood clot on my hand , which reduces daily. but there red patch is there from where the doctor took blood. can u help and tell me wht does this mean?in india i have given blood so many time there is always one small spot on the skink above the vein. in india they pierce the needle and pull the knob behind slowly. where as in london they pieced the needle and inserted the tube like thing which sucked the blood very fast, is the clot because of diffrent techinques and i am worring necesssarily. thanks

Clinics do not re-use needles. The money they might save in doing so would not cover the costs of the law suits they would end up with. They also don't "accidentally" re-use needles. It just doesn't happen.

It's not uncommon to get a bruise from a blood draw. Just because it never happened to you before doesn't mean it can't. It happens to me quite often and it doesn't mean a thing.

Getting a blowjob, with or without a condom, is not a risk for hiv infection. Not one person has ever been infected that way and you will not be the first.

You do not have hiv. You are conclusively hiv negative.

If you continue to post over these latest NO RISK incidents, you will be given another Time Out, lasting for 56 days. Please consider yourself warned!!!

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

■Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

We are not going to continue to indulge your totally unwarranted concerns after you have repeatedly been told you were not at risk.

It doesn't matter when you test because the result is inevitably going to be negative. Can't expect anything else when you weren't at risk. But you don't seem to listen when you're told that again and again.The only ones who need to test up to 6 months are longterm intravenousdrug users or those with very weakened immune systems due to an organ transplant or a serious illness such as cancer. Otherwise 13 weeks/3 months is a reliable testing point. But again that is for someone with a real risk...which is not you.

If you return again about this non-risk circumstance you are going to get a Time Out for at least 56 days if not banned outright permanently.

Dear advisors , firstly I am greatful to you all to taking me through this phase of mine by answering all my questions patiently. I had my latest test 2 days ago tht is 128 th day from incident. My question is a bit techincal so please mind my ignorance.The name of the test i got was infectious diseases: HIV Combo(p24Ag,HIV1Ab,HIV2Ab),Serum by CMIA.

The observed value : Negative (0.2)

Biological Reference Interval :Negative:Less than or equal to 1.00 Index.

I have been doing these tests regularly and the values are increasing like I did on the 30th day from incident it came negative 0.08 Then on the 45th day it came negative 0.12 Then it came 0.18 and now it came 0.2 Does these have any significance, I mean I hope its not increasing and one day it will go above 1 and I will be positive. (Question one)Also the long time war weather to get tested on the 3 month mark or 6 month mark remains. (Question2)Plus one more thing I have noticed I have lost around 4 to 5 kgs from the date of incident which is 128 days ago. I am guessing that's not any symptoms right? (Question3)

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Seriously. We are not here to indulge your phobias for yet another month.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

And now you have a Time out for 56 days from this site. Don't make the mistake of trying to get around it by creating a new account. We'll spot that right off and it will get you banned permanently. A 3rd ban will mean being permanently banned from the site.

dear moderators, i indulged in a situation where there was naked frottage between me and an csw. Also after which i realized that , 100percent my penis brushed against her vagina , also 100 percent there wasnt any penertaion.the csw said she would not have sex without condom as she was hiv+. this freaked me out and i stopped immediately after frottage(no penetration)wht is the risk and should iget tested..

dear moderators, i indulged in a situation where there was naked frottage between me and an csw. Also after which i realized that , 100percent my penis brushed against her vagina , also 100 percent there wasnt any penertaion.the csw said she would not have sex without condom as she was hiv+. this freaked me out and i stopped immediately after frottage(no penetration)wht is the risk and should iget tested..

Thank you for returning to your original thread. I have deleted the new one you started. Remember this rule in future, please - and PLEASE make sure you read our Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Make sure you abide by them as well. Thank you for your cooperation.

Frottage is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

For a full explanation of why frottage is not a risk, please read this thread. DO NOT POST in that thread. If you have further questions after reading it, you MUST return to your own thread to ask them.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

wow thats really a great thread thanks. only concern is that my partner was confirmed hiv +, does it change anything. and do u still want me to test so as i would not infect anyone else by mistake. Ann its great u have shared u r personal information, i do respect u for that. But they say hiv virus is unpredictable and happens also in one exposure or does not happen in many exposures also..what if your boyfriend s case is this way, wht if he didnt get infected by chance,, or is it a proved thing that vaginal secretions produced by rubbing and a women gettiing turned on are non infectous even if they touch urthrea?

wow thats really a great thread thanks. only concern is that my partner was confirmed hiv +, does it change anything. and do u still want me to test so as i would not infect anyone else by mistake. Ann its great u have shared u r personal information, i do respect u for that. But they say hiv virus is unpredictable and happens also in one exposure or does not happen in many exposures also..what if your boyfriend s case is this way, wht if he didnt get infected by chance,, or is it a proved thing that vaginal secretions produced by rubbing and a women gettiing turned on are non infectous even if they touch urthrea?

■Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result, orno-risk situation will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Frottage is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Every single risk assessment we give in this forum assumes the other person is hiv positive.

You should also assume every sexual partner you're with is hiv positive and protect yourself accordingly. You cannot go by what people tell you about their status - many, many people do not accurately know their status and some will lie.

All you need to do in order to protect your negative hiv status is to use condoms for anal or vaginal penetrative intercourse. It really is that simple!

If you cannot bring yourself to believe us when we tell you that you had NO RISK, go test, collect your negative result and move on. In the meantime, do not think you will be permitted to use this forum to continually wring your hands over this NO RISK frottage incident. You won't be - the warning Rodney gave you stands.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I got my test results on the 28th day from exposure its negative. I have attached the reports but I do not know if this is the same test that is a 4th generation test and EIA. Can you check if my test is a 4th generation and an EIA test. So I can be worryfree. Thanks I wanna get over this incident. Reports are Test DescriptionObserved ValueBiological Reference IntervalInfectious Diseases :HIV Combo(p24Ag,HIV1Ab,HIV2Ab),Serum by CMIA Negative (0.12) Negative : Less than or equal to 1.00 Index

HIV Antibodies & p24 may be negative in early infection. All positive results need confirmation by another EIA /Western Blot.

Is test good enough at 28 days , as freedom health in london claim so. They claim that a 4th generation duo test at 28 days is conclusive.

Dear sir , i have had unprotected sex with a female. after this incident i got myself tested in inida on the 108th day from incident.i dont know or understand wht generation or kind this test it or when is it effective.

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

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You didn't have unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. You only engaged in NO RISK frottage.

You do not have hiv. You do not need further testing.

If you come back with more of this nonsense, you WILL be permanently banned.

This is absolutely your LAST warning. Posting further about your NO RISK situations or CONCLUSIVE NEGATIVE hiv test results will result in a PERMANENT BAN.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts