I liked the premier. FX puts out some pretty good shows, at least for the first few seasons. Nip/ Tuck and The Shield were great, great shows for a while. Hopefully Justified will follow suit, as I am going through major Dex/ Californication withdraws.

Motherscratcher wrote:I didn't realize that it was written by Leonard Elmore. Is it based on one of his novels or did he write the screenplays for the episodes?

And by Leonard Elmore I assume we are talking about Elmore Leonard, right?

Yeah...posting after midnight sometimes leads to things like that.

It's based off from Leonard's character Raylan Givens, and Leonard is the executive producer of the show, but not the man writing the week to week scripts. That's being handled by Graham Yost, who has credits on "Boomtown" and (more impressive) "The Pacific"

I like the show, it's a poor man's Rome but the blood effects are kinda over the top. The story is cool, although I doubt they get deep into the rebelion this season. And that show breaks the record for tits per episode.

As for Justified, I missed the pilot, so i'll have to watch for a replay. If anyone knows when it'll air please let me know.

Watching Olyphant was just like watching Seth Bullock in the modern day, although that's wasn't a bad thing...Really nothing original here as the pilot had me thinking of The Fugitive, CSI: Miami, Tombstone, American History X, etc, but once again not a knock against it because I really enjoyed the mystery of Raylan and immediately wanted to know more of his past...

The first episode had everything that I enjoy in a law enforcement story and it had Leonard's signature writing everywhere...

Then the second episode came on and afterwards I was like WTF? It was like 2 totally different shows...Talk about corny with the whole Big House Boys, convict driving a federal car and the whole Dupree/Vampire Pam story was utter ridiculous...

I'll give it another shot this week and see if it gets back on track or it'll be back to watching old Sanford & Son reruns on Tuesdays

Watching Olyphant was just like watching Seth Bullock in the modern day, although that's wasn't a bad thing...Really nothing original here as the pilot had me thinking of The Fugitive, CSI: Miami, Tombstone, American History X, etc, but once again not a knock against it because I really enjoyed the mystery of Raylan and immediately wanted to know more of his past...

The first episode had everything that I enjoy in a law enforcement story and it had Leonard's signature writing everywhere...

Then the second episode came on and afterwards I was like WTF? It was like 2 totally different shows...Talk about corny with the whole Big House Boys, convict driving a federal car and the whole Dupree/Vampire Pam story was utter ridiculous...

I'll give it another shot this week and see if it gets back on track or it'll be back to watching old Sanford & Son reruns on Tuesdays

For what it's worth, some TV critic on Simmon's podcast said that the 2nd episode was the worst one that he'd seen and the next couple were pretty good.

Personally I liked that episode for some of the reasons you didn't. A convict driving the car struck me as something that would absolutely happen in a Leonard novel. And while Dupree/Vampire Pam(?) were kind of annoying, they seemed like quintisential Leonard characters with that mixture of stupid/street smart/unpredictability that so many of them seem to have.

His characters never seem to be all bad or all good. Even if they aren't too bright, their schemes seem to work out to some extent, or at least longer than they should. They are dumb, funny, unpredictably dangerous, and things don't always happen as they should. I guess the best I can put it is that the characters know who they are and act appropriately, if that makes any sort of sense. And everyone lives in that grey area.

I know I stopped making sense a while ago. I wish I could be more articulate on the subject.

The other reason I think it will be good is that there isn't another show like it. It's why Mad Men, Sons Of Anarchy, and Breaking Bad are so good. A Marshall matching wits with dumbass (but clever dumb), quirky Elmore Leonard characters in Kentucky?...that's a win for me.

Of course you can just watch another medical drama. I heard they're starting up another one soon...in Miami this time, so you know it will be completely original and not like any of the other 1,000 medical dramas on TV. Now, if there was only a good show about lawyers...

Motherscratcher wrote:His characters never seem to be all bad or all good. Even if they aren't too bright, their schemes seem to work out to some extent, or at least longer than they should. They are dumb, funny, unpredictably dangerous, and things don't always happen as they should. I guess the best I can put it is that the characters know who they are and act appropriately, if that makes any sort of sense. And everyone lives in that grey area.

I know I stopped making sense a while ago. I wish I could be more articulate on the subject.

The other reason I think it will be good is that there isn't another show like it. It's why Mad Men, Sons Of Anarchy, and Breaking Bad are so good. A Marshall matching wits with dumbass (but clever dumb), quirky Elmore Leonard characters in Kentucky?...that's a win for me.

Of course you can just watch another medical drama. I heard they're starting up another one soon...in Miami this time, so you know it will be completely original and not like any of the other 1,000 medical dramas on TV. Now, if there was only a good show about lawyers...

I've only read a handful of his novels and most of them are the ones that have been made into films (Rum Punch, Get Shorty, Be Cool, Out Of Sight, The Hot Kid to name a few), so I understand his dimwitted characters somewhat? Last week's episode just kinda reminded me of a bad Coen Bros screenplay (which there are plenty)...

Like I said, I'll watch another one or two and hope things get back to the pilot...

BTW, Vampire Pam is who the chick plays on True Blood...

And I'd much rather have the networks come up with some kind of fictional investigative show or a nice reality show about people's interesting talents

waborat wrote:I've only read a handful of his novels and most of them are the ones that have been made into films (Rum Punch, Get Shorty, Be Cool, Out Of Sight, The Hot Kid to name a few), so I understand his dimwitted characters somewhat? Last week's episode just kinda reminded me of a bad Coen Bros screenplay (which there are plenty)...

Like I said, I'll watch another one or two and hope things get back to the pilot...

BTW, Vampire Pam is who the chick plays on True Blood...

You take that back! You take that back this second!

Never saw True Blood so that's why I didn't get that. I figured that's what it probably was, though. I was hoping it wasn't Twilight.

And I'd much rather have the networks come up with some kind of fictional investigative show or a nice reality show about people's interesting talents

Good point. I have no idea why nobody has thought of these type of shows.