Some good points there Beamish; trying to imagine these monsters in a meaningful way is tough. Too big, too overlooked and rather than writing
them all off, it's worth thinking around the edges of *how* the witnesses could be right.

Great stuff, man! These massive 'mother ship' UFO sitings really fascinate me. The Phoenix V craft is probably my favorite, but the JAL 'walnut'
saucer is just...I can't believe those pilots remained so calm seeing something like that outside their window. I really would love to probe their
memory and see what they saw. I can't even imagine it.

One famous big UFO sighting you forgot was the Hudson Valley boomerang. That one was pretty large, wasn't it? I remember one witness describing it as
"looking up at a city of lights".

One thing I do know, real or not, it doesn't make sense that they would be alien. Why? Well, because taking a craft that size presents
unwarranted risks to any mission. There is no reason to take crafts of these sizes into any planets atmosphere. What would be the purpose? Surely not
to observe...right? I mean, even us stupid humans can read a license plate from space, I'm betting they can do better than that if they can manage to
get here. Even stupid humans can send down small probes to gather data, no need for a city sized "mother-ship" to put itself at risk to gather air
samples or temperature data.....or diddle a hillbilly."

Which of those ships is city-sized? I guess if your "city" is a mile across, then.. sure. If that is what you came in, and you don't have
"probes," then I suppose you fly what you got, yes? I think it's funny you actually think you could fathom the inheret risks of flying a large
craft over foreign planets.

None of these sightings make any sense. The lack of real evidence says something to me. It's almost as if people just might see something
unusual, but then their idiot imaginations get involved and they parrot all the crap they have ever heard about UFO's to give their story more
"credit". You know...like all those people that claim these things "dart around in the sky and make serious 90 degree turns on a dime"......yet we
never really see that in any of the evidence....odd that....almost as if a few reports like that spurned others to take their "sightings" and mold
them to the "popular" view of ufos......kinda like the idiotic flap of "flying saucers" after that newspaper reporter called them that.

Except that many eyewitnesses do not give UFOs a second thought prior to their sightings. I know it's hard to believe, but this site does not
accurately represent the interests and knowledge of your common Joe. So for many, no.. they are not just letting their "idiot imaginations" run
away with them. For example.. the no-nonsense Texas rancher who saw the three football field ufo over his head during the Stephenvilles sightings. I
suppose his wild imagination ran away with him?

And again, I think it's ridiculous that people ignore or write off UFOs solely because they don't have what they consider to be "solid evidence."
There is imo, plenty of solid eyewitness testimony, radar returns, pictures and videos to take it and study it seriously. The rude dismissal of
anyone claiming to have seen a UFO as being unstable, someone with a wild imagination, or someone who just plain stupid, is an insult to many of those
folks.

Can someone point me to any decent video footage from the ages upon ages of these massive ships flying over densely populated areas?

Not that I don't mind eyewitness reports (and no, I don't give a flying leap if they are from "pilots" or anyone, they are stupid humans first
then they are pilots, cops, astronauts...etc, second....subject to everything you and I are)....but eyewitness reports backup up by multiple angles of
decent footage over populated areas is hard to ignore if the objects in question are the size this thread is advertising.

Originally posted by MainLineThis
Can someone point me to any decent video footage from the ages upon ages of these massive ships flying over densely populated areas?

Not that I don't mind eyewitness reports (and no, I don't give a flying leap if they are from "pilots" or anyone, they are stupid humans first
then they are pilots, cops, astronauts...etc, second....subject to everything you and I are)....but eyewitness reports backup up by multiple angles of
decent footage over populated areas is hard to ignore if the objects in question are the size this thread is advertising.

Sure, but first show me some footage of our current black projects. Oh wait, you can't because the odds of getting high quality footage of a random
encounter is harder than winning the lottery. Even when we were testing the B2 bomber and people reported it as a UFO, no one could provide a good
photo or video. Why do you think that is?

Well the reason is that even with today's tech, it is hard to film a flying object due to distance, distortion, and crappy auto focus. Another reason
is that most people don't carry $500 Sony HD cams everywhere they go. Go outside tonight and try to film the Moon, you will see what I mean when I
say its hard to get quality footage.

Too big, too overlooked and rather than writing them all off, it's worth thinking around the edges of *how* the witnesses could be
right.

Not being at all versed in the physicality of aircraft aerodynamics, I am hardly at liberty to state with any certainty just how much impact a
solid craft of the sizes illustrated would have on the immediate environment. I imagine it would be immense.

However, it is worth speculating that given there were no – as far as I know - “Speilbergian” type weather effects associated with them (think
his version of the War of the Worlds) they might not have been as “solid” as we think.

I am obviously speaking about something that represents an archetype to the spectator; a visual challenge for the psyche to see just what we make
intellectually of an object that cannot exist under our present paradigm.

Think of the alleged lack of reaction to European galleons sailing towards the shores of native islanders on seeing them for the first time. If I
remember rightly, the natives considered the ships new “islands”. They made of them what they could. They were right, in a way.

Us seeing these supposedly immense flying craft could just be our way of rationally justifying how they are up there, and what they are there for.

Which of those ships is city-sized? I guess if your "city" is a mile across, then.. sure. If that is what you came in, and you don't have
"probes," then I suppose you fly what you got, yes? I think it's funny you actually think you could fathom the inheret risks of flying a
large craft over foreign planets.

Well, what about the inherent risks of interstellar travel faster than the speed of light. Running into a micro meteorite at that speed would do more
damage than any human could do with a terrestrial weapon. Pretty sure going in for a peek is no where near as risky as leaving our solar system.

Think of the alleged lack of reaction to European galleons sailing towards the shores of native islanders on seeing them for the first time. If
I remember rightly, the natives considered the ships new “islands”. They made of them what they could. They were right, in a way.

I have heard this story too. There was a shaman standing on the beach staring at the boats. No one else could see the boats. Then the shaman would
walk around and poke people in the forehead and said "SEE". The people began to see the boats where there was none before.

Their brains had never seen a plank of wood let alone a navy ship, they did not know how to process the visual information.

I find that difficult to believe. I saw that in the Bleep movie as well.. and I think if they saw ships, they saw ships. They HAD boats, almost
certainly. Just because they were larger and had white sails.. they were invisible to them? I don't buy it.

Just because they were larger and had white sails.. they were invisible to them?

Personally, I hadn’t heard that they were invisible to the natives. It makes more sense that they saw something that related to technology they
already had, but in their mindset couldn’t possibly exist.

So, they were islands.

With our new understanding of the world around us, we can make similar observations; we see vast “objects” in the sky, they remind us of our own
technology but on a grander scale, so we “see” space ships.

Human beings need to stop judging everything by our standards. I think it's important when looking at things of a foreign nature. We have set
standards that govern us, other beings have different standards. A little imagination goes a long way. Someone mentioned that these things are simply
too big to be even practical. Practical to whom, us or them? Maybe, just maybe...some of these vehicles are actually small by their standards. Maybe
where they're from, they have buildings 10 times the size of what we will consider to be huge ships. Maybe, their planets are as large as Jupiter, or
our sun.

The arrogance some people have, to think that the way we do things are the way the rest of the incredibly vast Universe should do things. Grow up!

Originally posted by Scramjet76
Hello ATS,
This is the first of its kind that I’ve seen on the internet. What you ask? A scaling project that deals with some of the best reports of alleged
“giant UFOs.”

Hi Scramjet76, great idea to do a scaling project like this.

I really enjoyed it, therefore a well deserved giant star and flag.
Is it not absolutely amazing that such huge crafts are allowed

to “flying/moving/hovering” freely around a bit in our skies when and wherever
they want.
That must be quite some interesting technology of which our top scientists would be jealous about don’t you think?
Not forget to mention that those pilots must have indeed some really powerful friends in High places.

Grey Aliens Say Time and Size Are Not Relevant To Them
The only things that I found fascinating that I did seem to get an answer to, or somehow is: time has no relevance to them. Time has no relevance to
them. The taller being kept telling me that time was only important to me. Time could be whatever they wanted it to be. And that size was irrelevant
to them.

I asked at one point how big their ship was because it looked massive.

He said, Its whatever size we need it to be.'

Can you imagine that, that it would be whatever size they need it to be?

edit on 24/8/11 by spacevisitor because: did some adding and corrections

"Phoenix Lights… tried to save the best for last!
In 1997 thousands of citizens in Phoenix called in after witnessing strange lights in the sky. This incident would grab international attention and
make it one of the most important UFO cases of all time. Size estimates vary-- I have heard everything from the V-Shaped craft being “A mile or
two” or “The size of a football stadium” to “just plain HUGE.” After watching the Phoenix Lights Documentary , I decided to use their
estimation of the V-Shape being a mile wide from tip to tip. The documentary diagram shows how tiny an airliner and football field look in comparison.
"

I have seen something very similar to this. Because I saw it, it made me sceptical.. if that makes sense. It was close and differs a bit to the
picture shown - It was white and bright. I do not know what I looked at that night but I still find it hard to believe it was a couple of alien dudes
cruising past where I live.

I think alot of these giant UFOs are missed by most people because unless you are indeed looking to the stars for UFOs etc how often do you look up at
the sky. Some people are just oblivious to the obvious.

Well the reason is that even with today's tech, it is hard to film a flying object due to distance, distortion, and crappy auto focus. Another reason
is that most people don't carry $500 Sony HD cams everywhere they go. Go outside tonight and try to film the Moon, you will see what I mean when I say
its hard to get quality footage.

When he said decent, I'm not thinking he meant 1080p, I'm inclined to think, from his tone, that he meant some actual footage that shows something
other than a vague light, and since these mile wide massive objects are that big, there should be various angels available.

your argument about technology is merely an evolved "no one had cameras back then" argument which holds no merit what so ever. Try this, next time
you are outside, stop 10 people and ask them if their cellphone has a camera.

If these mile wide and larger *ships* are in fact real and being seen, then we should only need to wait long enough for a few people to catch a
glimpse on their phone.

A single high quality video is ok evidence, several independently filmed mediocre videos are better as long as they can be traced (dome of the rock
"ufo" hoax for example).

Another issue, as with the phoenix lights, is people see lights in the sky that appear to be moving together, and their brain does the rest of the
work, it's a massive dark object. I believe some UFO show (maybe fact or faked?) did a test with this using I believe balloons and lights tethered
together, actually, I think this was them attempting to debunk the phoenix lights or something similar.

the human brain is quite complex and you are mostly along for the ride, your brain does so much behind the scenes so you don't have to worry about it.
Certain disorders and brain damage can affect these areas, some of which control facial recognition. Some people actually can't tell anyone apart,
for them it's like trying to tell apart dolphins. Some people honestly don't recognize themselves in the mirror. Other people recognize everyone on
earth as someone they know from somewhere, when in fact they have never met. Did you know that your brain only uses a tiny fraction of the
information coming from your eyes? You make think you are seeing everything around you, but in reality, your brain is only really focused on a tiny
section in the middle, so while you are focusing on object A, your brain is basically blurring everything else out. One of the various reasons
eyewitness testimony isn't as solid as some people think. Go ahead and try to send someone to jail based only on your eyewitness testimony. That
witness with some circumstantial evidence is convincing, that witness alone is insufficient.

Our brains are hardwired to try to make things easy for us, this is where matrix-ing and other issues come in, and I do believe a good chunk of
sightings can be blamed on this. That said, they indeed saw something, but there is always the possibility their brain told them they saw a large
silent black craft, when in fact they saw 3 balloons with LEDS in them.

that said, after digging a little deeper into the phoenix incident I've learned that the clear military flares explain the later event, but apparently
people did report seeing a massive craft blocking out the sky an hour or so before the one we all saw on video, and those witnesses say the video we
saw looks nothing like what they saw.

I dunno, whenever someone brings up the point that people aren't watching the skies anymore, I can't help but remember a Tom Green skit where he walks
around a city, randomly pointing at something in the sky until people look where he is pointing, then he points somewhere else, and of course they all
look there.

If these events are actually happening then it's only a matter of time before we get something tangible in the form of various different angles of the
same event, hopefully showing a craft not just a bright light.

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on a large craft sighting being the lynch pin that converts everyone to believers, but until then, no "take
my word for it" is going to be strong enough. People lie, people hoax, and some people will take it to the grave because they got a sick satisfaction
from wasting your time.

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