This image of the Delta Gundam is likewise too poor quality to use on MAHQ, but it makes me wonder something - the rendering style here is awfully different from the other Unicorn mecha art, whereas the Delta Plus lineart clearly matches the other Unicorn MS. Perhaps the Delta itself will remain an "MS that was never built", only actually completed when it was later revived as the Delta Plus.

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:15 am

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Because some of the artwork here on the site is lacking, I thought I'd upgrade some of it. First up are some new Gundam 00 linearts (of better quality).

Notation: I have indicated that this particular unit is not a "commander" unit as you have listed, lest that I know of. The term in the latest magazines coins it as 親衛隊仕様機 (shineitai shiyou ki), which is literally 'bodyguard type unit'. I'm not sure if Mark would be able to clarify on this one or not, but it's not a Commander unit judging from the text.

Notation: I have indicated that this particular unit is not a "commander" unit as you have listed, lest that I know of. The term in the latest magazines coins it as 親衛隊仕様機 (shineitai shiyou ki), which is literally 'bodyguard type unit'. I'm not sure if Mark would be able to clarify on this one or not, but it's not a Commander unit judging from the text.

This is one of those terms with a very specific meaning but no precise English translation. This Japanese term is used for a whole range of elite national guards - the Roman Empire's Praetorian Guard, the U.S. Secret Service, even the Nazi SS. The old Principality of Zeon had its own version, for which "Royal Guard" is probably the best phrasing, even though MS Igloo makes them seem more like the SS. Haman Karn revived the tradition in Gundam ZZ, and evidently the Neo Zeon remnants in Gundam Unicorn are keeping it alive. For tradition's sake, I'd go with "Royal Guard" for all of these, so this Geara Zulu variant would be "Royal Guard Version" or "Royal Guard Type."

This image of the Delta Gundam is likewise too poor quality to use on MAHQ, but it makes me wonder something - the rendering style here is awfully different from the other Unicorn mecha art, whereas the Delta Plus lineart clearly matches the other Unicorn MS. Perhaps the Delta itself will remain an "MS that was never built", only actually completed when it was later revived as the Delta Plus.

Perhaps this image could be of some use? I know Deacon Blues' abilities to clean line art surpass my own. The image is out of ninjasciences' photobucket.
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This image of the Delta Gundam is likewise too poor quality to use on MAHQ, but it makes me wonder something - the rendering style here is awfully different from the other Unicorn mecha art, whereas the Delta Plus lineart clearly matches the other Unicorn MS. Perhaps the Delta itself will remain an "MS that was never built", only actually completed when it was later revived as the Delta Plus.

Perhaps this image could be of some use? I know Deacon Blues' abilities to clean line art surpass my own. The image is out of ninjasciences' photobucket.image

As far as I can tell, there's still a question of whether it's a "real" mobile suit in the Unicorn continuity.

However, it is presented alongside the other MS in the recent Hobby Japan four-page spread of Gundam Unicorn mecha. This suggests to me that, even if it will never appear in the story, it's considered to be "part" of the Unicorn series.

At the very least, since it's not a design that was originally created for the Unicorn series' background info, there should be a mention of it as an MS Graphica original design, with that book's CG art of it. The post I linked to in the Unicorn thread even tells us that there's some kind of story associated with the Graphica book, placing the Delta plans as an element which survives the Gryps war and eventually becomes public knowledge.
I don't know whether Katoki worked on MS Graphica- but it seems like his version and the 3DCG are very, very close.

As for where MS Graphica is filed, and where miscellaneous art seen in "Gundam Ace FIX" is filed, and so on... that can surely be dealt with in time, in the process of reorganizing all the MSVs and magazine stories and such.

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:45 pm

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Part.01 of a 2 part update, I think. For the most part, I have added information to the initial profile (weapons name corrections, etc). The lineart that I have linked to in this is the only available lineart at the moment, so don't complain that I didn't "scan it all." I'll have the Exia, Dynames and some more Kyrios stuff with Ptolemy later on.

As far as I can tell, there's still a question of whether it's a "real" mobile suit in the Unicorn continuity.

As I undestand it, the Delta Gundam was what the Hyaku Shiki was originally meant to be. They couldn't get the transformation mechansim to work properly, so that aspect was deleted from the design and we got the MSN-00100 that Char piloted. Presumably Delta Plus would be a result of Anaheim going back to the original Delta Gundam concept, getting the transformation to work based on their experience with the Zeta Gundam, and upgrading it with the newest technology.

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:25 pm

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Hokay, this massive update comes courtesy of the Ms igLoo book published by EnterBrain last year. I'll update this with lineart once I get the chance, but for now I'll just to the specs:

Overall length: 73.7m (standard L.W.C. at the time of use)
Overall width: 17.7m (standard L.W.C. at the time of use)
Overall height: 20.3m (standard L.W.C. at the time of use)
Maximum payload capacity: 540~670t

Okay, now for the GM units, I move that they have their own profiles listed in the directory. For some reason, the caliber on their guns is 90 instead of 100. I'm guessing this is a slight change for the ones seen in the series, but who knows. Also, I will supply lineart for the Jotunheim "changes" that it goes through. The colored CG art in the book isn't the best to scan, so black and white may have to suffice. Now, as for the Ze'GOk unit, the layout of it is rather strange I know, but that is how it was presented in the book.

The chemical rocket specs are actually listed in the book as "chemical rocket maximum thrust: 193,000 kg (x 2)." In other words, this is thrust in kilograms, not electrical output in kilowatts. The same probably applies to the nuclear thermal jet specs immediately above, since the text on page 49 of the book mentions that the Dive Maneuver Unit has nuclear thermal jet engines with "a maximum thrust of 285,000 kg."

Incidentally, the text on page 49 also says that the Ze'Gok has a total power output of 11,812 kW, which it breaks down as "2,452 kW from the Ze'Gok unit, 4,680 kW x 2 from the DMU." This suggests that the listed specs actually apply to each Dive Maneuver Unit by itself, in which case the Ze'Gok's total thrust would be more than 950,000 kg.

As for the LWC contents, the first configuration holds a "multi missile bus," not a "baz" or bazooka.

-- Mark

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For some reason (don't have the book with me), I thought that bazu was an abbreviation for bazooka. Bus didn't seem to make any sense to me. Thanks for clarifying my oversights though.

For some reason (don't have the book with me), I thought that bazu was an abbreviation for bazooka. Bus didn't seem to make any sense to me.

"Bazu" is short for "bazooka" (as in the Dom's "Giant Baz"), but the Ze'Gok specs say "basu," which would translate to "bus." Apparently the term "missile bus" is used in the real world to refer to a device that holds multiple warheads, i.e. in multi-warhead MIRV missiles.

-- Mark

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:35 am

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toysdream wrote:

Deacon Blues wrote:

For some reason (don't have the book with me), I thought that bazu was an abbreviation for bazooka. Bus didn't seem to make any sense to me.

"Bazu" is short for "bazooka" (as in the Dom's "Giant Baz"), but the Ze'Gok specs say "basu," which would translate to "bus." Apparently the term "missile bus" is used in the real world to refer to a device that holds multiple warheads, i.e. in multi-warhead MIRV missiles.

-- Mark

Heh, chalk that up to me being in a hurry to give Chris some information all too quickly. I went back and double checked the book when I got out of work and sure enough I don't read clearly -_-; Lord knows why I mistook Bus for Baz. :/