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Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

So I've been seeing these threads saying that Kakashi is a genius. I agree he is. I also see people saying him and obito were the youngest to revive MS. To this I will say, awakening MS doesn't require much skill after all you don't even need 3 tomoe sharingan to awake MS, it will just 'come along'. Another thing is, Obito and Kakashi are 13 years old? Some say obito is older, but I don't know, and thread isn't about that anyway. Itachi was also 13 when he awoke MS, and he also became ANBU captain at 13. He joined Akatsuki when he was 13. None beats the facts from the manga, so please stop making those idiotic threads..

Evidence follows..

What takes skill is when you become able to USE the sharingan. Kakashi learns to copy jutsu for instance. Itachi was able to use his sharingan when he was 8 years old:

When the war was about to end, Itachi saw the causalities of war, which made him want to avoid it for any cost:

Notice how we are told that he was 4 when this happened. He was 5 during the 9 tail fox incident, sasuke had just been born. So this means that when he did the uchiha massacre he was 13 years old. He awakened MS at 13, he joined Akatsuki at the age of 13. None can compare to such facts..

Itachi could beat Orochimarou in his prime, when Itachi was 13-14 years old:

Afterwards Oro leaves akatsuki cause he realized he couldn't take itachis eyes, so he went for sasuke instead.

Of course Obito was afraid of Itachi...

Of course Itachi could beat Obito if he knew his secret, he said so himself:

Look how Obito talks about Itachi. He obviously feared that man more than anything. He was also very amazed that Itachi found him when he asked him to help with the uchiha massacre..

Of course when he gained the rinnengan and his paths it becomes another story, but think about it. He waited long before making Nagato go to Konoha and capture tha 9-tailed beast. It could had been done earlier, and it would have been easier, but untill Itachis death Obito knew that if he made Nagato go to Konoha, Itachi would probably interfere. He couldn't risk that, so he waited till after his death, which he knew would come.

Stop using evidence to say otherwise due to material from a few new chapters when we got 500 chapters telling us otherwise, it's a disgrace to the entire story, when you say Kakashi and Obito must be more talented than Itachi when they awoke MS at the age of 13. Obito with zetsu body, kakashi with implanted rinnengan.. Even with these adds they shouldn't be compared to true Uchiha like Itachi.

I'm no fanboy, so if you can prove otherwise than what I just said, I will accept it.. But knowing you can't don't waste your time on it..

Obitos dimension may be hell, but Itachi was in hell for most of his life as the title of this chapter says:

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Originally Posted by thegame

So I've been seeing these threads saying that Kakashi is a genius. I agree he is. I also see people saying him and obito were the youngest to revive MS. To this I will say, awakening MS doesn't require much skill after all you don't even need 3 tomoe sharingan to awake MS, it will just 'come along'. Another thing is, Obito and Kakashi are 13 years old? Some say obito is older, but I don't know, and thread isn't about that anyway. Itachi was also 13 when he awoke MS, and he also became ANBU captain at 13. He joined Akatsuki when he was 13. None beats the facts from the manga, so please stop making those idiotic threads..

Evidence follows..

What takes skill is when you become able to USE the sharingan. Kakashi learns to copy jutsu for instance. Itachi was able to use his sharingan when he was 8 years old:

When the war was about to end, Itachi saw the causalities of war, which made him want to avoid it for any cost:

Notice how we are told that he was 4 when this happened. He was 5 during the 9 tail fox incident, sasuke had just been born. So this means that when he did the uchiha massacre he was 13 years old. He awakened MS at 13, he joined Akatsuki at the age of 13. None can compare to such facts..

Itachi could beat Orochimarou in his prime, when Itachi was 13-14 years old:

Afterwards Oro leaves akatsuki cause he realized he couldn't take itachis eyes, so he went for sasuke instead.

Of course Obito was afraid of Itachi...

Of course Itachi could beat Obito if he knew his secret, he said so himself:

Look how Obito talks about Itachi. He obviously feared that man more than anything. He was also very amazed that Itachi found him when he asked him to help with the uchiha massacre..

Of course when he gained the rinnengan and his paths it becomes another story, but think about it. He waited long before making Nagato go to Konoha and capture tha 9-tailed beast. It could had been done earlier, and it would have been easier, but untill Itachis death Obito knew that if he made Nagato go to Konoha, Itachi would probably interfere. He couldn't risk that, so he waited till after his death, which he knew would come.

Stop using evidence to say otherwise due to material from a few new chapters when we got 500 chapters telling us otherwise, it's a disgrace to the entire story, when you say Kakashi and Obito must be more talented than Itachi when they awoke MS at the age of 13. Obito with zetsu body, kakashi with implanted rinnengan.. Even with these adds they shouldn't be compared to true Uchiha like Itachi.

I'm no fanboy, so if you can prove otherwise than what I just said, I will accept it.. But knowing you can't don't waste your time on it..

Obitos dimension may be hell, but Itachi was in hell for most of his life as the title of this chapter says:

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

I find it offensive to Itachi that people think that sharingan Tobi could beat him. You people are telling me sharingan Tobi could beat the legendary Uchiha whom has a large, OP arsenal?
S/T jutsu+fire release+8/10 intelligence+right-arm Mokuton attacks>10/10 intelligence+Amaterasu+Totsuka Blade+Yata Mirror+fire release+water release+Susano'o+Tsukiyomi? LMAO no!

Kamui > Itachi's dojutsu's, not to mention Itachis stamina, or lack there of. Its not like Tobi is someone Itachi can quickly dispose of. Also if were are talking about pre-rinnengan Obito he still has another Sharingan, of which he is able to sacrifice for Izanagi. Dont get me wrong, i like Itachi more than Obito, but its just a very bad match up for him. In my opinion anyway

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

So I keep seeing these useless arguments when it comes to obito vs itachi

How would Itachi hit him?

Why don't you turn it around, how do Obito hit itachi? Minato hit Obito. Itachi will do it the same way. Wait for the moment he tries to strike, and counter it. Nobody can beat obito if he just hides his ass in the other dimension, stop using useless arguments. Obito is the type you take down with your defense, and Itachi could easily do that.

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Originally Posted by thegame

So I keep seeing these useless arguments when it comes to obito vs itachi

How would Itachi hit him?

Why don't you turn it around, how do Obito hit itachi? Minato hit Obito. Itachi will do it the same way. Wait for the moment he tries to strike, and counter it. Nobody can beat obito if he just hides his ass in the other dimension, stop using useless arguments. Obito is the type you take down with your defense, and Itachi could easily do that.

Minato, the fastest ninja ever hit him yes. Itachi however doesn't have FTG and his dojutsus take a serious toll on him, so the whole time Obito is "hiding his ass" Itachi is growing weaker and weaker, thats why its a bad match up. If Itachi didnt have his illness, maybe it would be a different story. You keep saying useless arguments, but you haven't given one productive way Itachi could beat Obito, just saying he would counter him is also a useless argument and even if you do get him, like Konan did, he is able to activate Izanagi then Itachi has to do it all over again, only now he is far weaker. No possible way Itachi wins this fight

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Originally Posted by Simple Math

ok so what is your plan? what will itachi kill obito with? amaterasu, susanoo?

Okay lets say Itachi knew as much about obitos jutsu as konan did. All he had to do would be to stick the sword of totsuka into obito. So Obito goes intangible of course, but he can only stay like that for 5 minutes. If he tries to move, itachi follows. He has to solidify to absorb himself. He can't do anything.

I even think tsukiomy could work, if he is intangible he still has vision in the real dimension, but it is unknown if it would work. Anyway the above idea will do the trick..

But again, it's like I just said, what will obito do to kill itachi? It all depends on obitos move. Why do you think he never made a move on itachi?

Anyway if you think he is stronger go read the evidence from the manga that I provided. Obito clearly feared Itachi, he even admits that if he hadn't kept a few secrets from him, he would be dead. As I said Itachi could kill him with his sword..

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Originally Posted by Pomieee

Minato, the fastest ninja ever hit him yes. Itachi however doesn't have FTG and his dojutsus take a serious toll on him, so the whole time Obito is "hiding his ass" Itachi is growing weaker and weaker, thats why its a bad match up. If Itachi didnt have his illness, maybe it would be a different story. You keep saying useless arguments, but you haven't given one productive way Itachi could beat Obito, just saying he would counter him is also a useless argument and even if you do get him, like Konan did, he is able to activate Izanagi then Itachi has to do it all over again, only now he is far weaker. No possible way Itachi wins this fight

Read my above post on how Itachi destroys Obito, all he needs is the knowledge that Konan had.

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Well such things have a habit of becoming a forum belief so i will stop it here i guess.

Originally Posted by thegame

Okay lets say Itachi knew as much about obitos jutsu as konan did. All he had to do would be to stick the sword of totsuka into obito. So Obito goes intangible of course, but he can only stay like that for 5 minutes. If he tries to move, itachi follows. He has to solidify to absorb himself. He can't do anything.

First off, you assume Itachi knows about Obito's technique, so i am assuming its the same the other way ie obito too has full intel.
He sticks he sword and obito goes intangible...good.

If he tries to move, itachi follows

Fail. Itachi can follow it IF Obito stays intangible above the ground. Obito simply goes underground[He can pass through objects as you know]. Itachi cant follow the underground movements.
Your theory works only if we were to assume:
1) Obito cannot go underground- which you cannot assume
2) There is no ground below as in the case of the Konan fight- This dosent hold because then neither does Itachi have a foot hold.

In all other cases as i have mentioned Obito goes underground and the sword cannot follow it through objects[AS Itachi has a sharingan and not a byakugan he cannot look through objects]

I even think tsukiomy could work, if he is intangible he still has vision in the real dimension, but it is unknown if it would work. Anyway the above idea will do the trick..

No it wont

But again, it's like I just said, what will obito do to kill itachi? It all depends on obitos move.

If counter attacking is your argument it wont work as simply as that. Raise the Minato argument, at that time Obito was inexperience with his ST.

Why do you think he never made a move on itachi?

He never had the need to do so. Itachi was helping him gather the bijuus[jinchuuriki] why kill someone who is helping you out?

Anyway if you think he is stronger go read the evidence from the manga that I provided.

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!

If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension: then its game over

obito only feared itachi if he knew more about him.. but itachi didn't know more about hin so that argument is invalid..

hmm the sword will pierce him the moment he solidifies, don't you get it? It's all about keeping it in the right angle, it will be right through his body when that happens. If not he could just make a long stick with a large amount of ameterasu in the end, so the moment he solidifies his entire body will be engulfed in the flames instead, though he could absorb the flames, but while doing this itachi uses the sword.. Anyway as I said, the moment he solidifies is the moment he is pierced...

Itachi also have his repelling shield, so no even if he is range, obito can't hurt him

And if obito gets close enough to absorb him, he got shield of ameterasu as well

Re: Itachi > Kakashi, Obito (no rinnengan), etc....

Originally Posted by thegame

Read my above post on how Itachi destroys Obito, all he needs is the knowledge that Konan had.

I did read it, and i read your manga evidence. Im not the type to just come onto threads and just flame people for no reason. I fully agree with you on the fact Itachi was a genius, far more than Kakashi and Obito. Your battle strategy however has a flaw, Obito can travel through the enviroment (floor or objects) in his kamui state. How does the sword of Totsuka follow then? Where as all Tobi has to do is touch Itachi and then he can proceed to absorb him into the Kamui dimension. Until Kishi proves me wrong, the only person capable of soloing Obito is Madara.