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In answer to your question- this was the case before the fall of man in Genesis 3. But until Christ returns it is not the case. We are living in a world where our work is toil and hard and not as it was in Genesis 1 or 2.

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Dominionism is not growing nearly so fast as the concern over its growth is growing among secularists. That is the real cause for alarm. Dominionism is growing from an extremely small base. If it were possible for dominionism to grow exponentially for a very long time (decades), it would not become a very significant minority even among Christians, let alone in the general population. But it cannot experience that kind of growth among Christians, because it is so easily and completely refuted without moving beyond the first three chapters of Genesis. God gave dominion over his creation to man as man, and not to Christians or believers as such. That is Christian orthodoxy on the subject of dominion, and it has been for the entire history of the church. Dominionism is going nowhere.

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Well, then maybe those who lie to their kids from birth that folks can walk on water or live to be 969 years old should heed that advice. And they should let those same kids decide whether they feel compelled to follow the same god or not instead of pounding blatant untruths in their heads from the moment they can utter their first coo.

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Your alarm is unfounded. Christians want morality in government and in our social institutions which is infinitely better than no moral authority proposed by secularists. I am not a Christian but I do not fear they want to take over. If you want something to be alarmed about, it is the Muslims who's religious leaders would turn us all into second class citizens if they ever obtained a majority. Take a look at history and at what is happening in Europe.

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I explained it the wrong way. What I addressed here is the attitude of Christian's. Which is the subject at hand. Secularists have no moral authority as the moral compass they do have is borrowed from Jewish and Christian values.

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"Christians want morality in government and in our social institutions which is infinitely better than no moral authority proposed by secularists."

Nonsense. Their morality consists of sticking their grubby paws in the skirts of all women and pants of all men and dictating sexual practices and behavior according to the norms of some ancient desert dwelling tribes. If you need a bible to tell you that killing or cheating or stealing is wrong, or if in the absence of a threat with eternal hell and boiling in a cauldron you would go out and maim others, then something is very wrong. Those who think that unbaptized babies or gays go to hell, limbo, or whatever their primitive version of fairy tale dictates, those who thought that women should not enjoy the benefits of anesthesia and they should instead feel the pain given them in child labor as punishment, and those who have held progress back any time they could, are not in any position to set norms for civilized behavior, decency, or "morality".

I don't need a dusty old book to be a good person or to keep me from being a bad one. Those that do are welcome to use that book all they want if they are otherwise incapable to control their urge and impulse to be intrinsically bad persons, but they should not assume that all people need to follow their ancient texts to behave like moral individuals. The problem lies squarely with those that need a book to tell them how to be decent human beings, not with those that don't. And it seems that it is the Christians that need that book more than anyone else, or else they wouldn't be adhering to it so vehemently. Let's keep it simple. Keep your fairy tales out of the classrooms, politics, and affairs of sane men.

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Society has set the rules for you to live by. You learned the rules from your parents. They learned from their parents. All of these rules came from, guess where?, the Judeo-Christain bible or some other moral compass. No matter what society you came from your set of morals is based on experience and the development of religion. We have these religions for a reason. We need them. It gives us morals and social rules to live by.

Who gives you the right to set the standards, especially when you "wing it" with no moral compass at all? You must be a genius to have such a command of logic and understanding of human nature or, could it be that you don't want any rules? Maybe you think the almighty sate should set the rules with no reference to a moral standard of any kind. Do you want to worship the Gods or just the almighty state?

No one is forcing you to believe or practice any one else's religion. Read the Constitution. We have freedom of religion in this country and we are going to keep it that way whether you like it or not so get used to it.

Secularists want to blame religious people for all the worlds ills. I will tell you a little fact about secularists; they are responsible for the promotion of socialism which is the stepping stone for communism. Socialism and Communism have been responsible for more deaths by political murder and willful (and accidental) starvation then all the worlds wars put together. I refer you to the "Black Book of Communism" which you can probably find in your library.

Your attitude lays bare your gaping lack of knowledge and understanding. Your disrespect for others is totally disgusting. I feel sorry for you and I wouldn't trust you due to your lack of a moral compass, I do have hope for you. Maybe some day you will seek God.

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"Who gives you the right to set the standards, especially when you "wing it" with no moral compass at all? You must be a genius to have such a command of logic and understanding of human nature or, could it be that you don't want any rules? "

Not an imaginary being or friend, that's for sure. And one doesn't have to be a genius to respect life, private property, and dignity WITHOUT the invocation of lies and primitive tales. Would YOU kill without the Bible ? Would you steal without the same ? I don't. I doubt that you would either. As for my lack of respect, you might be right. When you stop telling kids that there will be a Second Coming or that the Earth Is 6,000 years old instead of teaching them realities about the physical world you might deserve respect. Until then, such actions are nothing but lies presented as truth to innocent minds. There's nothing respectable about that, no matter how many old men dressed in robes and cathedrals and other imposing edifices are used to hammer such untruths into young impressionable minds. And there's nothing respectable about making billions fear hell and pain for eternity unless they adhere to some specific, i.e. yours, flavor of delusion. What respect ? Act like respectable men and stop tainting the minds of the young with lies and instilling fear in the one and only existence that impressionable people have. Until and unless such a thing is done respect is not accorded anymore than to a common liar.

How about we admit to ourselves and our kids that the source of morality is a puzzle that has yet to be solved instead of appealing to characters floating on clouds in order to offer an explanation ? Would that not be a more honest thing to do ?

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I have nothing but respect for people of integrity and character, no matter what they think the origins of their particular moral compass are. But intolerance of religion and religious people, which seems to pervade some of these posts, is also a form of religious intolerance.

No one who espouses truth in any of its forms is a liar. A liar is one who consciously bends or breaks the untruth as she/he sees it.

I have a lot more respect for someone who lives by what she/he believes, even if i consider that belief to be in error, than I do for someone who agrees with my Weltanschauung, but doesn't live by what she/he believes to be true.

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You have the right to think the Bible is a lie but to disrespect others who don't think it is, is unacceptable. As I said before freedom of religion is guaranteed in the Constitution. Rant and rave about it all you want, it doesn't matter. Get used to it. That's the way it is.

A well defined sense of morality is already stated in the Ten Commandments. It really isn't that complicated. If you don't understand that, well, that's your problem. Don't make your problem a problem for the rest of us.

Your argument is basically one of "values clarification", "situational ethics" or "relative truth" all of which are a lot of hooey invented by the left to dismantle the family structure and bring about socialism. It is dangerous to our economic and social well being.

By the way, I am not writing much of this as a debate with you Jose but for those readers who are reading this. I think I can do more good to appeal to their sense of right and wrong than to yours.

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We do not want to rule the world. The true Christianity is only interested in reaching out to souls of mankind through the transforming power of Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a difficult challenge facing Christians who have God’s mandate of carrying Gospel to the ends of the earth, especially in the militant atheistic world that we live in. However, I am confident that God will equip willing Christians everywhere to meet the challenges of the present as they have met the challenges of the past.

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Since your description of dominionism, as I understand it, is incorrect, your question is flawed and can not be answered. If I understand dominionism correctly, they simply want to influence culture with Christian principles. They don't believe that Christians should rule the world but that Christians should honor God as we promote truth and mercy and apply scriptural principles to the affairs of life. Thus Christians should be involved in entertainment, politics, sports, the business world, and anywhere else people are. No one, at least no one with any influence, wants to set-up a Christian theocracy.