bought some stocks in aretheenergyareaand the industrials area recently. >> were you going to just jump in? sorry about that. >> yeah, i was going to ask -- peter was talking about looking for a pullback. i think a lot of people are looking for the pullback. that's the tough part. if everyone is looking for the pullback, it may not come or when we want it. it could be put off for quite a ways. >> that's a good point. what about that? you don't want to fight the fed, right? >> yeah, i guess not, but i think the market is kind of at least at a stalemate with the fed here. if you look back to when qe 3 was announced, we're just about even, maybe a little bit higher. i think that, to me, is a big warning sign that, you know, how long is it going to be? what point does the market become qe resistant? we're testing that thesis right now. i'm looking at some of the other factors. i'm looking at insider selling right now which is about 11 times higher than insider buying during september. so somebody out there is getting scared. i think that's a lot of the reasons we talk about often. fina

andenergyalittle later on. >>> first, as you probably know, a grim outlook for hp sent shares down 13% yesterday. ceo meg whitman expects revenues and profits for the tech giant to decline in the near term saying unprecedented executive turnovers led to inconsistent strategic choices. our david faber is with meg whitman. david, good morning to you. >> reporter: thanks very much, carl. of course, well, you can certainly give them credit perhaps for transparency, hewle hewle hewlett-packard yesterday laying out a plan tofor remaking the company for next year they're calling a fix and rebuild year. as you said, the stock took a hit on that news. we are joined by the ceo of hewlett-packard, meg whitman joins us from headquarters in palo alto. as always, very much appreciate your willingness to come on in what are seemingly very difficult times. you and i sat down a little more than a year ago when you first joined the company. and i guess my first question would simply be what took you so long? a year is quite a while in the history of a company, certainly one that seems to be in some dis

theenergysectorright now? president of oil outlooks and opinions is bullish on crude and carl joins me now on the floor of the nyse. michelle made some pretty compelling arguments about why oil should go lower. you're still bullish though. why? >> we're nowhere near the numbers we saw in '06 and '08. if we can get qe3 going, that demand is going to meet what supply we have and probably outpace at some point. >> a lot of people down here feel as though qe3 may do a little bit to help the economy, but that with every quantitative easing we've seen less impact in the economy. it doesn't sound like you quite buy that. >> i mean historically last time we had double digit unemployment it took five years before we really came into it. we're going into the fifth year. qe3 will play right into what happens next. >> how high do you think crude might move if indeed we see a recovery with more traction? >> first off, say next year, $104 to $106 to wti average. how do you get involved? i say something that's going to be international. exon or oil refineries are definitely things you should get into. ni

the deficit. >> there were also some notable exchanges about jobs, healthcare,energyindustrysubsidies and regulation, all of these things got deeper than some people had been expecting. we'll talk about those topics with john harwood. but if you were watching, as they headed in a 70% -- >> down from 80 the day before. >> right now it's down to about 66% in trade obviously suggesting romney got a big boost. >> mini flash crash. >> among our political guests this morning ready to talk about the road to election today, arianna huffington will be our guest host. huffington "post" obviously has a left bent, but it was declaring romney won the debate. ken duberstein will join us, as well. >> i was reading some of your tweets last night, john, and i liked your tweet. i tell you what i took away from the entire debate because i want to let you say it, but i saw what's possible in a life spent without any alcohol. i saw what i could have possibly been -- i saw how i could have possibly been able to talk if i had all the brain cells that i started with. and that was what i came away with. that

. >> thank you so much, rick. let's check out the latest movesinenergyandmetals. sharon at the nymex. >> the momentum here definitely in the metals market. i'm standing in the gold pit. gold prices went above $1,794 an ounce. a lot of investors may have looked at the s&p 500's returns, that's decent. but gold up over 10% in the last quarter. silver up over 25% in the last quarter. they want some more of that in the fourth quarter. and we're looking at that here in the metals market. also looking at momentum taking over, the weak sentimental data out of china in terms of the oil price. the oil prices here are a little bit of a bid for oil. the fact that they lowered a mix a little while ago before the open on the weak data out of china on their manufacturing numbers. in terms of the biggest mover here in the commodities space, definitely it is natural gas. natural gas at a ten-month high. natural gas here above 3.40. some are saying that $3 gas is sustainable here even if we don't see the same focus on coal to gas switching. still going to see higher natural gas prices. back to you. >

governor romney talked about creating 4 million jobs by embracinganenergyindependencefor north america. i have the ceo of the largest pipeline builder on my other show "mad money" last night. he said 4 million is reasonable, but the federal government is not being helpful. i know you favor all sort of energy, solar, fantastic. what do you say about the 4 million? >> actually, a say that we need to create more jobs across the board and particularly, highly skilled people to work in the refinery and production areas where we're finding more energy and we have to have a balance, so i'm totally for that. i encourage more a perennisship programs and training in that area. we have a high need for welders and people working in refineries and i'm all for paying for those jobs and looking at other alternative forms of energy and we have to have a balance of both. >> the unemployment rate falling below 8% for the first time since january 2009 and i'm sure the labor department was hearing about that this morning. at the same time, can you tell the american people that this 7.8 number marks the tu