I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

The whole thing is theater. Another sell out. Republicans won’t get any more “credit” from the Hispanic community than they did when Reagan signed the ‘86 amnesty. This is a win only for the Dems. The GOP had their shot in W’s first term and a half and squandered it as they did in so many ways.

Hw are we to ensure the integrity of OUR elections? Not that we do a great job of that now...but IF this gets through..it better make CRYSTAL CLEAR that CITIZENS, born or naturalized are the only voters in our elections. Voter ID must reflect citizen status.. I think I’m going to be ill.

The GOP had their shot in Ws first term and a half and squandered it as they did in so many ways.

The really sad thing is, 9-11 provided the absolute perfect reason to lock down the borders. The illegal immigration issue would have been largely solved by this time with that one single action. No amnesty, pure border security - and there wouldn't have been squat the Democrats and media could have done about it. The public would have fully supported such a common sense policy in light of the terror attacks on September 11th. We could have completely changed the status quo on illegal immigration. Unfortunately Bush preferred the path of open borders and amnesty.

I do not think that we need to “fix our broken immigration system”. Our current system is working as it is now. They say that it is Slow and keeps a lot of people out of the USA. Well that is the point, However we have 11-30 Million people that have bypassed the current system due to a total lack of border control.

As Sen. Ted Cruz states;”To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally”

So now we will make a “law” allowing the Illegals to become Legal? Only in the USSR of the USA.

It takes Cruz, brand new there and hispanic himself, to be the only one to say what is perfect common sense and morality.

I can’t think of a good reason based on morality or what’s best for the nation, to treat illegal aliens as though they are the most wonderful people on earth for sneaking in here and taking advantage of America when they have their own countries, and when this is NOT a good start to being a good citizen.

Rubio wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal saying he supports amnesty and he was part of the gang of 8 that signed onto the Amnesty bill that came out of the Senate today.

The so-called Gang of Eight includes four Democrats — Charles Schumer of New York, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado  and four Republicans - Senators John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona.

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans cant own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash theyll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the fresh. Thats just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea lets give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .

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posted on 01/28/2013 5:32:46 PM PST
by mosesdapoet
(.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)

Maybe, but on LDobbs he said he was not for any illegal getting a head start on citenzship ahead of anyone trying to legal immigrate. Am pretty sure he did say “no amnesty”. His proposal was to require quite a few hoops just to getting a temporary work Visa with no guaranteed path to citizenship, no welfare, no free rides.

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posted on 01/28/2013 5:50:28 PM PST
by X-spurt
(Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)

Just a dose of reality, Spanky. The deal is done and you should grow up if you don’t realize it. If you want to fight, the people that need to feel the pressure are the 15-18 RINOS that are already in Boner’s pocket. As well as the additional 15-20 RINOS who could be convinced to go along with them but are on the fence. Spending any time and effort on anyone but the RINOS is a waste of effort.

Both Cruz and Rubio have some good sounding ideas, none of which are amnesty.

Rubio is PRO-AMNESTY and AMNESTY LIBERAL. When he was Speaker of the Florida House he was killing bills that would have given Florida tough anti-Illegal Alien laws like Arizona and Alabama. Rubio is Amnesty Liberal...and this latest bill is AMNESTY

The really sad thing is, 9-11 provided the absolute perfect reason to lock down the borders. The illegal immigration issue would have been largely solved by this time with that one single action. No amnesty, pure border security - and there wouldn't have been squat the Democrats and media could have done about it. The public would have fully supported such a common sense policy in light of the terror attacks on September 11th. We could have completely changed the status quo on illegal immigration. Unfortunately Bush preferred the path of open borders and amnesty. Quite true. But idiot pubbies supported Bush. He was horrible. In 1995 we had bipartisan support for reducing immigration and dealing with illegal immigration. Newt killed the Jordan Commission and teh Bush brothers called stopping welfare for illegal aliens "racist". The primary voters in 2000 screwed the country royal. Just like the retards who supported McCain thinking he was anti-illegal.

I agree...but I saw a few Dems (maybe Reps too) flip their positions - to our side, once they heard us. That’s why I don’t like to give up before the fight begins.

I agree the votes may be there today, but they are NOT voting on Amnesty today. In fact, I WAS SURE they would get it passed in 2009/2010, with the HUGE DEM majorities they had at the time, and with the President supporting it. But they weren’t even able to get a watered-down Dream Act passed.

"To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally." That would have made sense once upon a time. But we've traveled through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. See the signpost up ahead? We're now living in Bizarro World. This guy would have considered himself lucky to slop burned coffee at Starbucks ten years ago.

Every new illegal on a path to citizenship will be counterbalanced by another unemployed American teenager on a path to drug dealership, and/or a path to gang membership.

Bingo! This is the problem with all of these illegals. When I was a kid, all of the fast food joints around were staffed by my friends or their friends. Now they are staffed by illegals. Today's teens are not able to learn about work. So they end up as adults with few marketable skills.

They tell us that the illegals do the jobs "Americans won't do." If it weren't for vast numbers of Americans getting free food and housing from the government, you'd be surprised what Americans would be willing to do in order to eat.

Now we have a permanent dependent class. Zombies, for lack of a better word.

Maybe your SHOUTING was a bit overplay, when I hear a liberal they never sound like Rubio. When I hear Rubio, it never sounds like a liberal.

Obviously you disagree on Floriduh’s rules on illegals. Regardless of the State, the attractions to the USA are jobs, jobs, jobs which are paying a lot more than Latin America and of course our buffett of social freebies.

Unless we figure out how to “legally” have Latinos able to work here, we will either have illegals or be very dissapointed with the work from unskilled people as long as the reparations graveytrain is rolling.

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posted on 01/28/2013 8:24:32 PM PST
by X-spurt
(Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)

I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system.

The only thing BROKEN is the fact the federal government has continually ignored the Constitution!

It was NEVER meant for the federal government to intimately direct every aspect of citizenship. They were ONLY supposed to make a uniform rule for naturalization for the States to follow!

'Illegals' are what the Founders called denizens , and they are under the singular jurisdiction of the State! Until denizens apply for citizenship, they are NOT *immigrants*, they are alien residents!

The common law has affixed such distinct and appropriate ideas to the terms denization, and naturalization, that they can not be confounded together, or mistaken for each other in any legal transaction whatever.[snip]The power of naturalization, and not that of denization, being delegated to congress, and the power of denization not being prohibited to the states by the constitution, that power ought not to be considered as given to congress, but, on the contrary, as being reserved to the states. St. George Tucker

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THIS is why the States are flooded with people they have no control over....THIS is why we're forced to live with the criminal element importing itself from other countries....and THIS is why the federal authority will never make the situation any better.....because the feral federal government will NEVER admit that their 'amnesty' and regulations concerning 'illegals' are unconstituional exercises of power!

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posted on 01/29/2013 4:49:07 AM PST
by MamaTexan
(To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)

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