They played like garbage again tonight, they find a new way to lose every night. I think they will lose 101 games.

WhiteSox5187

06-01-2010, 11:33 PM

No. We will lose ninety, but we're not THAT bad.

JB98

06-01-2010, 11:33 PM

The team is currently on pace to go 70-92.

veeter

06-01-2010, 11:36 PM

C'mon 100 games? They were only six under before tonight.

DirtySox

06-01-2010, 11:39 PM

As things currently stand, I don't think so. Perhaps if significant players are traded though.

DumpJerry

06-01-2010, 11:42 PM

You do realize the team went 13-14 in May? At that pace, 100 is not attainable.

WhiteSox56

06-01-2010, 11:44 PM

I would say 80-90 seems about where this team is headed. 100? I say no...

PhillipsBubba

06-01-2010, 11:50 PM

They won't lose 100 but suckage abounds on 35th Street!:(:

BadBobbyJenks

06-01-2010, 11:51 PM

90 sounds just about right.

sox1970

06-01-2010, 11:52 PM

No way the Sox lose 100, but they'll have a top 10 draft pick next year.

kevingrt

06-01-2010, 11:55 PM

They played like garbage again tonight, they find a new way to lose every night. I think they will lose 101 games.

Tough to lose 100 when you just split four games versus the best team in baseball on the road.

CLUBHOUSE KID

06-02-2010, 12:56 AM

Tough to lose 100 when you just split four games versus the best team in baseball on the road.

True. But still TB hasn't been as good and we took 3/4 vs the WS Champion Yankees last year and...

Tragg

06-02-2010, 01:08 AM

The Sox aren't going to lose 100.
They may come close to losing 90 though.

TDog

06-02-2010, 01:17 AM

The fact that someone would post such a thing shows that there is a generation out there that only believes they know what a really bad White Sox team looks like.

SephClone89

06-02-2010, 01:45 AM

The fact that someone would post such a thing shows that there is a generation out there that only believes they know what a really bad White Sox team looks like.

Even though I'm only 20, I completely agree with you.

VMSNS

06-02-2010, 02:00 AM

No way they lose 100. Although, I think it is possible that the team may end up being worse than last year's club. It depends on what happens at the deadline.

asindc

06-02-2010, 09:51 AM

The fact that someone would post such a thing shows that there is a generation out there that only believes they know what a really bad White Sox team looks like.

That also explains a lot of the threads and posts around here.

LITTLE NELL

06-02-2010, 10:28 AM

I still haven't given up, there's too much talent. If we are still floundering at the end of June then 90 losses seems probable.

Railsplitter

06-02-2010, 10:41 AM

No. 100 losses is a wining percentage of about .385

eriqjaffe

06-02-2010, 10:45 AM

As things currently stand, I don't think so. Perhaps if significant players are traded though."

Barring a bunch of things falling suddenly into line (which looks increasingly remote), this team will probably lose 90 or so.

If there is some semblance of a fire sale, I can see this team getting that bad.

munchman33

06-02-2010, 10:50 AM

The currently constructed team is going to lose 90. Once we start trading players? Is our minor league system suddenly stacked or something? What am I missing? I don't know if we'll lose 100, but I wouldn't bet against it.

october23sp

06-02-2010, 01:22 PM

The currently constructed team is going to lose 90. Once we start trading players? Is our minor league system suddenly stacked or something? What am I missing? I don't know if we'll lose 100, but I wouldn't bet against it.

Exactly, that is why I think we will lose 100. We are BAD now, when the firesale happens? We will be 100 bad.

soltrain21

06-02-2010, 01:25 PM

They'll lose 88 games.

SI1020

06-02-2010, 03:44 PM

The fact that someone would post such a thing shows that there is a generation out there that only believes they know what a really bad White Sox team looks like. I know what one looks like and so far this one is passing its audition with flying colors.

thomas35forever

06-02-2010, 04:38 PM

We're not that bad. This team would probably slaughter teams like the '98 Marlins, '02 Devil Rays and '03 Tigers. Compare all of those rosters to this one and then get back to me.

NLaloosh

06-03-2010, 01:04 AM

C'mon guys. Can't you see that this team is much better than this. They are definitely poised to go on a big run. All the signs are there.

They should finish the season on a 70-40 kick. This will start as soon as they are able to win two games in a row.

ChiWhiteSox1337

06-03-2010, 01:05 AM

We're not that bad. This team would probably slaughter teams like the '98 Marlins, '02 Devil Rays and '03 Tigers. Compare all of those rosters to this one and then get back to me.
:scratch:

You sure about that? 8 of the 2003 Tigers' 43 wins came against the White Sox. I have a hunch that the 2003 Sox team was better than this one...

areilly

06-03-2010, 01:22 AM

We're not that bad. This team would probably slaughter teams like the '98 Marlins, '02 Devil Rays and '03 Tigers. Compare all of those rosters to this one and then get back to me.

I'm not saying the Sox are historically bad, but I have to ask: in this hypothetical showdown . . . who's pitching?

'02 Rays: .253/.314/.390
'10 White Sox: .240/.318/.396

PKalltheway

06-03-2010, 01:29 AM

:rolleyes: Will the Sox lose 100? Get real. This team won't lose 100 games. In fact, I'll be surprised if they lose over 90. Heck, they're still capable of finishing a distant third in the division. There's still a lot of baseball left.

sox1970

06-03-2010, 01:35 AM

:rolleyes: Will the Sox lose 100? Get real. This team won't lose 100 games. In fact, I'll be surprised if they lose over 90. Heck, they're still capable of finishing a distant third in the division. There's still a lot of baseball left.

110 games left:

40-70 to lose 100. Yeah, not going to happen.

50-60 isn't out of the question for 90 losses, but who cares? Bad is bad.

doublem23

06-03-2010, 01:39 AM

:rolleyes: Will the Sox lose 100? Get real. This team won't lose 100 games. In fact, I'll be surprised if they lose over 90. Heck, they're still capable of finishing a distant third in the division. There's still a lot of baseball left.

The wild card in this, though, is that the Sox have been very, very healthy this season. And they're still this ****ty. There's about 2-3 key players right now just keeping this mildly above .400. Considering we have absolutely zero depth in the minor league, yeah, 1-2 injuries and 100 losses isn't entirely unrealistic.

You'd be surprised if they lose over 90? Their current W% puts them on a pace to lose 93, and their Pythagorean W-L doesn't indicate they've been particularly unlucky this season (I think they're 1 game under their xW-L after tonight)... So unless you see something in this terribly, consistently mediocre team that just screams they're breaking out of a funk, I think 90-95 losses is just about where they should end up.

JB98

06-03-2010, 01:49 AM

The wild card in this, though, is that the Sox have been very, very healthy this season. And they're still this ****ty. There's about 2-3 key players right now just keeping this mildly above .400. Considering we have absolutely zero depth in the minor league, yeah, 1-2 injuries and 100 losses isn't entirely unrealistic.

You'd be surprised if they lose over 90? Their current W% puts them on a pace to lose 93, and their Pythagorean W-L doesn't indicate they've been particularly unlucky this season (I think they're 1 game under their xW-L after tonight)... So unless you see something in this terribly, consistently mediocre team that just screams they're breaking out of a funk, I think 90-95 losses is just about where they should end up.

Possible salary dumps are another wild card. We don't know exactly which players KW will purge. Konerko is having a productive season, 16 HRs and 39 RBIs. He's on pace for about 45 HRs and 120 RBIs. Will he keep it up? Probably not, but taking his production and presence out of the lineup would make the Sox significantly weaker than they already are.

october23sp

06-03-2010, 01:56 AM

The wild card in this, though, is that the Sox have been very, very healthy this season. And they're still this ****ty. There's about 2-3 key players right now just keeping this mildly above .400. Considering we have absolutely zero depth in the minor league, yeah, 1-2 injuries and 100 losses isn't entirely unrealistic.

You'd be surprised if they lose over 90? Their current W% puts them on a pace to lose 93, and their Pythagorean W-L doesn't indicate they've been particularly unlucky this season (I think they're 1 game under their xW-L after tonight)... So unless you see something in this terribly, consistently mediocre team that just screams they're breaking out of a funk, I think 90-95 losses is just about where they should end up.

Good to see you weren't the mod who added the "this poll sucks" option, it is a legitimate question, this team is terrible. With the impending firesale they will be historically bad.

doublem23

06-03-2010, 01:59 AM

Good to see you weren't the mod who added the "this poll sucks" option, it is a legitimate question, this team is terrible. With the impending firesale they will be historically bad.

I voted for it though, because the fact that this question even has to be asked means that yes, this poll, like this team, sucks.

Sox

06-03-2010, 04:39 AM

Definitely not 100. As bad as this team may be as some have ascribed too...I just can't see them losing 100 games.

khan

06-03-2010, 03:50 PM

The wild card in this, though, is that the Sox have been very, very healthy this season. And they're still this ****ty. There's about 2-3 key players right now just keeping this mildly above .400. Considering we have absolutely zero depth in the minor league, yeah, 1-2 injuries and 100 losses isn't entirely unrealistic.

You'd be surprised if they lose over 90? Their current W% puts them on a pace to lose 93, and their Pythagorean W-L doesn't indicate they've been particularly unlucky this season (I think they're 1 game under their xW-L after tonight)... So unless you see something in this terribly, consistently mediocre team that just screams they're breaking out of a funk, I think 90-95 losses is just about where they should end up.

Unfortunately, all of this is true.

Rios is performing above his career norms. What happens to the team when he [inevitably] regresses to the mean?

The same is true for Konerko. What happens to the SOX when he goes on his annual sabbatical from hitting?

The sox are @ a .423 win% WITH some [current] overperformances. Given an injury or two, or some degree of a firesale, a sub-.400 win% is very possible for 2010.

NLaloosh

06-03-2010, 03:57 PM

They'll definitely lose 90. I don't see how anyone doesn't see that. This team has not shown anything that could portend them going on an extended run of success which means that they will truly be deeply out of this race by mid July.

WhiteSox5187

06-03-2010, 04:03 PM

Unfortunately, all of this is true.

Rios is performing above his career norms. What happens to the team when he [inevitably] regresses to the mean?

The same is true for Konerko. What happens to the SOX when he goes on his annual sabbatical from hitting?

The sox are @ a .423 win% WITH some [current] overperformances. Given an injury or two, or some degree of a firesale, a sub-.400 win% is very possible for 2010.

He did that in May.

october23sp

06-03-2010, 04:09 PM

I voted for it though, because the fact that this question even has to be asked means that yes, this poll, like this team, sucks.

Ah, well thanks for clarifying that.:smile:

palehozenychicty

06-03-2010, 04:33 PM

I'm thinking 92 losses. As some mentioned, Konerko and Rios have shown up, and the team is still doing nothing. Then again, if TCQ, Ramirez, and Beckham get rolling, that could carry them some. I just don't know about our starting pitchers now. Other than Danks, they have been underwhelming.

october23sp

06-04-2010, 10:30 PM

Games like tonight make 100 seem very possible.

WhiteSox5187

06-04-2010, 10:42 PM

Games like tonight make 100 seem very possible.

You have to be epically bad to lose 100. I don't think this team is going to lose 100 but they sure as hell are going to lose 90.

Brian26

06-04-2010, 10:49 PM

The fact that someone would post such a thing shows that there is a generation out there that only believes they know what a really bad White Sox team looks like.

Yes. As bad as the starting pitching has been this year, it pales in comparison to the running Dave LaPoint, Ricky Horton and Jerry Reuss out there as your #1-3.

WhiteSox5187

06-04-2010, 11:02 PM

We might lose 95.

sox1970

06-04-2010, 11:25 PM

The season is now 1/3 over. On pace to lose 93. I guess it's possible.

october23sp

06-04-2010, 11:27 PM

The season is now 1/3 over. On pace to lose 93. I guess it's possible.

With the impending firesale 100 is very easy.

DirtySox

06-04-2010, 11:29 PM

With the impending firesale 100 is very easy.

With the trading of certain players and a potential injury or two, it is very attainable.

WhiteSox5187

06-04-2010, 11:43 PM

With the impending firesale 100 is very easy.

It looks attainable...but, man, you have to be REAL bad to lose 100 games. God I hope we're not THAT bad. We can't be THAT bad. Can we?

sox1970

06-04-2010, 11:51 PM

It looks attainable...but, man, you have to be REAL bad to lose 100 games. God I hope we're not THAT bad. We can't be THAT bad. Can we?

We're 3-7 against the Indians.

doublem23

06-05-2010, 03:16 AM

With the impending firesale 100 is very easy.

I don't know, man, how much more could we really bottom out? It's not like guys are having All-Star seasons and we're just losing, we're losing because at least 1/2 of our roster doesn't even belong in AAA right now.

voodoochile

06-05-2010, 03:19 AM

I don't know, man, how much more could we really bottom out? It's not like guys are having All-Star seasons and we're just losing, we're losing because at least 1/2 of our roster doesn't even belong in AAA right now.

Yeah, it's bad right now, no one save maybe Rios is living up to his potential. Most of the roster is so far off their ceiling as to be ridiculous.

Just curious. I know you've one of the most vociferous people about the shortcomings of the team going into the season. Did you think there was any way it would be this bad? (Note I ask would be this bad, not could be this bad, obviously anything is possible.)

october23sp

06-05-2010, 03:50 AM

Yeah, it's bad right now, no one save maybe Rios is living up to his potential. Most of the roster is so far off their ceiling as to be ridiculous.

Just curious. I know you've one of the most vociferous people about the shortcomings of the team going into the season. Did you think there was any way it would be this bad? (Note I ask would be this bad, not could be this bad, obviously anything is possible.)

I know the question wasn't for me, but I really thought we were going to be the toast of the AL. I thought Peavy was going to be in the Cy Young running, that Buehrle would be Buehrle, I even thought Gavin would be off, and Danks would be solid and that Garcia would be wild card, with that rotation I thought we would be giving up about 2-3 runs a game and that our offense would be pretty solid with Pierre getting on, Beckham getting him over, and Konerko, Quentin, and Rios getting them in. I just had no idea this could happen.

Like being BAD wasn't in my realm of possibility, I thought we'd be OK at worst. But now I reallt think we'll lose 100.

TDog

06-05-2010, 04:04 AM

Yes. As bad as the starting pitching has been this year, it pales in comparison to the running Dave LaPoint, Ricky Horton and Jerry Reuss out there as your #1-3.

In 1988, Ricky Horton actually got the opening day start. And Kenny Williams doubled and homered, driving in three to provide the winning margin for the White Sox before Steve Lyons replaced him defensively at third.

Even the 1970 White Sox had Tommy John. In 1988, it wasn't a question of whether a former Cy Young winner would start over a pitcher with two career no-hitters, one of them a perfect game, and the team certainly didn't have a fifth starter who five years earlier had started and won his team's deciding game of the World Series. There was a time when Ricky Horton was the best idea that manager Jim Fregosi could come up with for an opening day starter, and at the time, it would have been difficult to argue with him.

And that team didn't lose 100 games.

october23sp

06-05-2010, 04:43 AM

In 1988, Ricky Horton actually got the opening day start. And Kenny Williams doubled and homered, driving in three to provide the winning margin for the White Sox before Steve Lyons replaced him defensively at third.

Even the 1970 White Sox had Tommy John. In 1988, it wasn't a question of whether a former Cy Young winner would start over a pitcher with two career no-hitters, one of them a perfect game, and the team certainly didn't have a fifth starter who five years earlier had started and won his team's deciding game of the World Series. There was a time when Ricky Horton was the best idea that manager Jim Fregosi could come up with for an opening day starter, and at the time, it would have been difficult to argue with him.

And that team didn't lose 100 games.

But that is just like looking at random teams from the past who were successful after bad starts, you just can't do it, every team is unique and will take their own path. Our teams path is 90-100 losses.

TDog

06-05-2010, 12:53 PM

But that is just like looking at random teams from the past who were successful after bad starts, you just can't do it, every team is unique and will take their own path. Our teams path is 90-100 losses.

You have never seen a 100-loss White Sox team. You have never seen a really bad White Sox team, only mediocre and underachieving teams. I have seen some bad baseball teams that have not lost 100 games.

When I see the White Sox running out a starting rotation with pitchers like Jerry Crider and Barry Moore, I'll be worried about the White Sox losing 100 games. I know what bad White Sox teams look like. I know what 100-loss White Sox teams look like. Short of the fire sale that people advocate, which might assure that the White Sox could be really bad not just for the first time in your life but until the middle of the decade (which probably won't happen because of fan reaction to the 1997 deadline trade), the White Sox won't lose 100 this year.

SI1020

06-05-2010, 01:33 PM

You have never seen a 100-loss White Sox team. You have never seen a really bad White Sox team, only mediocre and underachieving teams. I have seen some bad baseball teams that have not lost 100 games.

When I see the White Sox running out a starting rotation with pitchers like Jerry Crider and Barry Moore, I'll be worried about the White Sox losing 100 games. I know what bad White Sox teams look like. I know what 100-loss White Sox teams look like. Short of the fire sale that people advocate, which might assure that the White Sox could be really bad not just for the first time in your life but until the middle of the decade (which probably won't happen because of fan reaction to the 1997 deadline trade), the White Sox won't lose 100 this year. I'm really impressed with your historical knowledge, which makes some of your posts among the best here. That doesn't change the fact that yes this is a really bad Sox team that looks like it might heaven forbid, even get worse.

LITTLE NELL

06-05-2010, 01:39 PM

You have never seen a 100-loss White Sox team. You have never seen a really bad White Sox team, only mediocre and underachieving teams. I have seen some bad baseball teams that have not lost 100 games.

When I see the White Sox running out a starting rotation with pitchers like Jerry Crider and Barry Moore, I'll be worried about the White Sox losing 100 games. I know what bad White Sox teams look like. I know what 100-loss White Sox teams look like. Short of the fire sale that people advocate, which might assure that the White Sox could be really bad not just for the first time in your life but until the middle of the decade (which probably won't happen because of fan reaction to the 1997 deadline trade), the White Sox won't lose 100 this year.

I've seen 106 losses in 1970 and on paper the 2010 is so much better than the 1970 team. So I will stay with 90 or 92 losses but I'm not giving up on this team getting hot and running off 9 or 10 in a row.

Tragg

06-05-2010, 03:33 PM

I still don't see 100 with a firesale.
While a firesale will reduce the talent, the replacements likely will play with far more energy that this current bunch.

voodoochile

06-05-2010, 04:06 PM

I'm really impressed with your historical knowledge, which makes some of your posts among the best here. That doesn't change the fact that yes this is a really bad Sox team that looks like it might heaven forbid, even get worse.

A game like last night in particular makes me wonder if this team is already starting to "go through the motions" of playing a baseball game.

Even as a diehard optimist, this team is starting to look like it doesn't care much. I mean this is their month to do something and get back in the race if they are going to do it at all and they have started out abysmally. Maybe they turn it around, but the chances seem lower and lower with every passing day...

WhiteSox5187

06-05-2010, 04:09 PM

A game like last night in particular makes me wonder if this team is already starting to "go through the motions" of playing a baseball game.

Even as a diehard optimist, this team is starting to look like it doesn't care much. I mean this is their month to do something and get back in the race if they are going to do it at all and they have started out abysmally. Maybe they turn it around, but the chances seem lower and lower with every passing day...

Well, they get lower and lower with each passing loss!

Shoeless

06-05-2010, 04:37 PM

I still don't see 100 with a firesale.
While a firesale will reduce the talent, the replacements likely will play with far more energy that this current bunch.
This is and expiring contracts are what makes me okay with a fire sale. It obviously doesn't say much about your current team, but at least the players could be more excited to be in the big leagues.

Frater Perdurabo

06-05-2010, 04:49 PM

A game like last night in particular makes me wonder if this team is already starting to "go through the motions" of playing a baseball game.

Even as a diehard optimist, this team is starting to look like it doesn't care much. I mean this is their month to do something and get back in the race if they are going to do it at all and they have started out abysmally. Maybe they turn it around, but the chances seem lower and lower with every passing day...

This is starting to remind me of 2007. I was a firm optimist after April and May of 2007. The bullpen had been pretty solid, and we all knew the hitting would come around. June 2007 looked forward to NL patsies on the schedule.

But June 2007 was when the bottom fell out. The bullpen imploded from early season overuse. And they got spanked by NL teams.

Jurr

06-05-2010, 09:46 PM

This is starting to remind me of 2007. I was a firm optimist after April and May of 2007. The bullpen had been pretty solid, and we all knew the hitting would come around. June 2007 looked forward to NL patsies on the schedule.

But June 2007 was when the bottom fell out. The bullpen imploded from early season overuse. And they got spanked by NL teams.

The sad thing about this year is the fact that the '07 team had a lot of injuries. This team just sucks out loud.

october23sp

06-16-2010, 03:07 AM

If this team can indeed, reach .500 by the end of June, I believe that they will be "in the hunt" the rest of the way out, that is, being around 5 games back. If they do not achieve .500 they will probably finish well, well out of first place, but the recent wins have given me optimism.

100 will not be reached, that has become apparent, hope this team makes an incredible run and makes the playoffs and this will be the most ridiculous thread in WSI history.