The violence of the scene was discussed above. Further, there has been a lot of talk - and objection to - the level of violence in that scene in media coverage and in places like Twitter.

Regardless, you vow not to watch this show, but feel the need to come back, months after giving up on it, to discuss stuff you refuse to see. If this show is horribly written, why the heck are you still here? I don't get being so invested in trying to prove how uninvested you are.

I honestly don't get the complaints here, and the violence wasn't my issue with this show or this episode. My issue is the pacing, the way they manipulate the audience, and how many bad choices they keep making for the series (+bad writing). Waiting halfway through the ep for the "death" by Negan, and then it being turned into additional drama (with stupidity), along with "envisioning" everyone getting the Lucile treatment, shows how little they care about the characters, but more-so the audience. The cheesy happily ever after "sitting around the dinner table" thing during the most emotional moment I felt was in the entire premiere was total pandering, kinda make me groan.

There were some really amazing acting performances in this ep tho... but Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan won't get acting nods for a scene and show like this.

This also made me laugh waaaay more than I should've

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My issue is the pacing, the way they manipulate the audience, and how many bad choices they keep making for the series (+bad writing). Waiting halfway through the ep for the "death" by Negan, and then it being turned into additional drama (with stupidity), along with "envisioning" everyone getting the Lucile treatment, shows how little they care about the characters, but more-so the audience.

...which are exactly the complaints that we have been making here.

I'm confused.

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I honestly don't get the complaints here, and the violence wasn't my issue with this show or this episode.

Um, nobody - literally nobody - in this thread has complained about the violence in that episode. And you say you don't get the complaints here and then you say:

I didn't mean "here" as from you or the forum but "here" regarding the show itself.

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...which are exactly the complaints that we have been making here.

I'm confused.

and... I was basically agreeing with you and others in the thread (I almost used "here" again to further conflate the issue) about the ep... but that's ok because you're confused, and I hastily type things that are hard to understand without taking them personally. I mostly posted because of the fucking image though, and you just want someone to argue with (but that isn't me).

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But it's the opposite of that. That was exactly what Rick thought and why he was so overconfident last season. That's the part that bothers me actually, Rick and his group managed to take out at least 50 or more of Negan's goons. Unless his army is in the thousands, his actual army not the people he has oppressed, those are some massive losses that should have made them wipe out Rick's group completely. That's not a "kill two of you to teach you a lesson and leave the rest of you alive as slaves" situation, those fuckers have shown they are way more dangerous than your standard group.

I can forgive this. Primarily because Negan is not yet a character. He is a plot device.

If he were a character he might be one who gets off on cowing Rick. Moustache guy and blonde dude might be telling Negan to burn Alexandria to the fucking ground.

FWIW I also think pruning Glenn and Abraham is a good choice regardless of the comic. They both take a lot of airtime with no real arc left.

If the last two episodes were compressed into one, and presented more as a consequence of the gang's rambo shit I'd probably be more or less OK with it.

How Rick is going to react to the events in this episode would have been a much better cliffhanger.

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That's the thing, we know the show doesn't end here, so seeing what happens next should be interesting even if it'll probably take too long to get there. My money would be on Rick just collapsing and somebody else (possibly Carl) taking Negan out in a really spectacular way.

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I got 2/3 through the episode, got angry and quit watching - then was convinced to go ahead and finish watching it, which I did.

I don't know how anxious I am to watch any more, though. Not much.

TWD lost me last season or the one before, for the most part. Things happening that don't make sense other than to jerk the audience around. I don't like feeling manipulated. I don't mind being manipulated but if I feel like I'm being manipulated, I do mind, if that makes sense.

I am not fond of the violence in TWD. It became a gratuitous how to off zombies show a long time ago. I generally turn away and don't watch those parts.

For me to find a tv show compelling, I either have to have people to root for, or it has to be entertaining or thought-provoking, and I struggle to find any of that in TWD. I just don't care about any of the characters enough, except maybe Carl, and only because he's the kid (or man, now, I suppose).

Only as far as they've deviated before. They take different routes, but the destination will be the same. If they kill off a character early, someone else fills the shoes. The only reason I think they could deviate with regards to this storyline is

Introduction of the King, further humiliation of Alexandria (taking all of their mattresses as tribute, then burning them on the side of the road), breaking Daryl, they're rubbing our noses pretty hard in just how nasty Negan is as a feudal lord. Not as much gratuitous brutality, but a lot more psychological torture backed by the threat of it.

Thread gone quiet. Have episodes 2-4 been any better or is this show a zombie itself now?

I haven't watched any of this season. This was a low point in the comics for me. I like the stuff that comes after a bit better, but Negan is an even more cartoonish supervillain than the Governor, and Ezekiel and his tiger feel out of place also.

It's frustrating in part because you occasionally see potential. Contrasting the kingdom/alexandria/hilltop approach to the problem seemed ok. I'm kind of interested in the idea of 'Fallout, the TV Show' which you could do if Negan wasn't so absolutely central to every damn thing.

The kingdom episode was good enough for me to accept both the Tiger, and Carol's ridiculous decision to live in that house. It still included the threat of Negan but Morgan and Ezekial's responses were handled so much better.

And Andrew Lincoln is really watchable in this. But badly needs a better editor. I get why they wanted to show Rick actively enforcing Negan's will but holy shit it went on too long and in the end 'give me a second' did it better anyway.

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We just hit the story from issue 100 and we're around 90 episodes in the show...Some parts move faster, other slower. However, generally, about the same pace on average.We'Re a few years from the next major shift, I'd say.