i have to be completely honest. We all realize that they really messed up with orgins.

i was hoping to hear that wolverine 2 and deadpool were cancelled. and that First Class is a reboot. but we are getting a sequel to a bad movie.

Orgins had alot of potential. It really could have been the film that the trailers made it out to be. a great sci-fi action film with a tragic love story and also a sort of social commentary on sibiling rivalry. but it also could have been a great revenge film too. we could have got some authentic berserker rage. the visual effects could have been better.

we didn't need deadpool or gambit. they really screwed up Maverick. We didn't need Blob either.

the video game cinematics do a much better job telling the story than the movie does. that is just sad!

but overall the script just really sucked. the editing was very poor. they could have just went with what is in the comic with a few tweaks here and there so that it fits with what we saw in the flashbacks of x1 & x2.

one of the biggest problems orgins has is that it really screws up the continuity a great deal too.

if yuriko is in this film he will have to get another memory wipe so that he won't recognize her.

also emma frost. she is in orgins as a young woman. but she also appears in first class.

so Wolverine 2 may actually be a good film. the film may play out very well.
but orgins IMO has done alot of damage that can't be fixed in one film.

Not everyone agrees that they really messed up with orgins. Some, like me, feel that it wasn't perfect and could have needed some different things happening...but was still a fun interesting movie.

Origins was not the only X movie that got the comic continuity wrong...so laying all blame on it about that is unfair.

So my answer to the threads title is.....maybe it will be better....let's hear more about it before we start grumbling.

Agreed.

And will it be better? I hope so.

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I think this film will have to suck pretty bad to be worse then Wolverine. They could still accomplish it of course, but we'll see.

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I think there is a very high chance this will underperform due to the current state of the franchise plus the fact they already told the aspect of Wolverine's origin the general audience was interested in seeing after watching X1-X3. Not to mention if this is anything like the comics then the story will feel very different compared to previous X-Men films.

I also feel First Class will underperform too though. I think Fox has finally gotten their act together several years after it would have helped this franchise.

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Cyclops is the best superhero in the world. He is, as far as I'm concerned, the Batman. He's been in intensive training since his early teenage years to lead the first-ever mutant rescue and security team. This is a guy who gets up every morning asking himself how he can be better.

Eh I don't know but a lot of people who know nothing about the comic books are extremely excited about the sequel. That I know, people here might not be, but you guys need to remember you guys know a lot about the comics that a lot of the mainstream audience that makes up the 300+M do not, and honestly don't care too much about.

BO will be fine, XMen First Class I don't know though, will be interesting to see how it will perform without Wolverine. Just do a search on Twitter or FB and you can see the general excitement surrounding this film.

Personally I think Origins did a lot of damage to the cinematic Wolverine character, X2 set it up perfectly and they pretty much screwed it up in my eyes, I didnt mind Origins as a movie, but when considered in context it did really screw up many things, and i'm not sure at this point they will be able to fix them.

That's fine, individual opinions on the movie are totally fine, good or bad. But I read this board and people generalize everything, thinking their own opinion is representative of the whole. Fact is some people loved this movie, some people absolutely hated it, and then there's people in the middle ground.

If this movie has good trailers and is a good movie, people will go to it. If it was mediocre, people would go to it. A majority of people that post here will go to it, especially if it's good, so why not just let it be and wait for the movie to come out or to get into production before calling it a dud or declaring it absolutely helpless.

I just keep resorting back to the fact that it's Darren Aronofsky at the helm, he didn't get Superman because the studio knew he was going to take some time making changes to a script that was NOT strong. Then he's in talks for Wolverine, the deal is close to closing, a set filming date is talked about and there's not one mention of Darren wanting to rework anything. From multiple sources comes the news that McQuarrie wrote a really strong script, it's good to go. And everyone here knows how different the Japan saga is from Origins anyways, so it's not really even a sequel, it could have a whole different tone and not give a **** about continuity and stand alone as a strong film. Just looking at the facts...

i mean i will always respect hugh jackman's acting talent. he has a leading man charisma.

and i think liev and hugh had a great onscreen presence.

i feel like the film falls apart after they get out of the prison.

i was hoping that hugh would just find a new character and they would do a first class reboot. but i really think that fox is trying to make up for wolverine being not only leaked early but being a bad movie too and not admit that they made a bad movie by going foward with Wolverine 2, First Class & Deadpool reboot.

its a shame that marvel doesn't own x-men. they would do it justice. but i love what they are doing with Iron Man-Thor-Cap.America and Avengers & Hulk its a beautiful thing.

i think that Wolverine 2 will basically be like a cross between The Last Samurai (tom cruise) & Orgins. So it could be a great film but if it is just mediocre it won't hurt.

this new guy could do it justice. but i think the problem wasn't gavin hood. its a shame because this film kinda puts him in a bad light. its clear that the rumors of studio interference were true and it just seems like the rushed everything.

infact i will take another look at orgins right now and try to look at the film as if i'm a casual viewer who doesn't know the story and see if i like it.

but who knows this film could be a classic and fix everything. who knows.
but at a bare minimum i hope they animate his claws better this time. it seems like the claws get faker and faker with each movie.

I still think the main issue with Wolverine 1 stemmed early on from the script anyways, the original Benioff script didn't have all the characters and all that, and then it was rewritten and added all that superfluous stuff. Not that Benioff's script would have made a great film since that had it's flaws as well. Which is why I put a lot of faith into this one because of the sources in which we've heard that McQuarrie's script is "different" and extremely "strong" and attracted some really great name directors into the mix. We'll definitely see how this one goes, I just wouldn't completely write it off yet.

The key to this being a good to great film is if Fox gives Darren freedom to make the film he wants to make. If they try to interfer too much again it can turn out to be a total mess.

With the announcement of the characters today, I'm a little more excited for this film.

Agreed 100%.

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I'll probably see it but Wolverine on his own is completely boring I prefer when he's with the X-Men which is why I've never been interested in knowing about his past.

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It's a great time for Wolverine to have his own, distinctive story and Japan is a great place to start. With this and First Class, it looks like we have two very different and interesting films shaping up, and there's less pressure now for Wolverine to carry the franchise which is probably why XOW had so many cameos crammed into it.

why did logan volunteer for the procedure.? So it was because he wanted revenge for the loss of his woman?

in x2 it was bloody grimey and it looked like something from frankenstien. but what we get is something really really stupid that doesn't fit with what we say in the flashback nightmare sequences in

also when you look at x2 and orgins. i mean they are just visually two different film. one is a masterpiece and the other is a piece of crap.

but now that we are getting screen shots of Captain America and it seems like Marvel & WB or going for quality and they want to tell a great epic story but please the comic geeks too who know the story.

its funny. i remember Somebody at fox comparing Wolverine to Dark Knight and saying that its "easier to understand"

If you run a search on Twitter, there are lots of people who rave about WOLVERINE. It's my least favorite film in the franchise, but it did find an audience. I expect the sequel to be a lot better with Aronofsky and McQuarrie.

Not everyone agrees that they really messed up with orgins. Some, like me, feel that it wasn't perfect and could have needed some different things happening...but was still a fun interesting movie.

Origins was not the only X movie that got the comic continuity wrong...so laying all blame on it about that is unfair.

So my answer to the threads title is.....maybe it will be better....let's hear more about it before we start grumbling.

I think my biggest problem with Origins is that it managed to be just good enough to be mediocre, and thus made just enough money to get a sequel.

It's not horrible, it's certainly not great either, but it was just frustratingly bland to me. Doubly frustrating because it had a great cast, just a bad script. The amazing amount of missed potential is more infuriating then the actual movie.

However, I'm cautiously optimistic to this movie, considering it's based directly off my favorite Wolverine story. However, one thing that worries me is that the base theme of the Claremont/Miller store is Wolverine's struggle with his animal nature. They tried to do that in Origins. They just did it extremely poorly. So I'm hoping they don't try and gloss over that aspect because they did it in the first movie.