I wouldn’t say Setsuna is girly at all…I mean for one he didn’t cry like a little bitch compared to the lead stars in Seed/Destiny…Second, there was no scene in the series where all the camera did was a close-up on his face and have his eyes shimmer…once again compared to Seed/Destiny. Don’t get me wrong Seed/Destiny has its good points as well…but it was just the girly male leads that disappointed me(which made Tieria seem acceptably manly compared to Kira, Athrun and Shin)
The double O cast had the same appeal as the Wing series cast, but with a little more emotion and reasonable characteristic.

“Second, there was no scene in the series where all the camera did was a close-up on his face and have his eyes shimmer”
that 00’s director want but usual in gundam, look amuro, his cried with four channel tears..

dont cry does not mean not girly, girly also mean look like girl (face), and man crying something common in japanese culture, source = Cool Japan in NHK TV and many of main gundam hero does cry, from amuro generation till now

…00 a reasonable characteristic??oh yeah…kill your parent and you still act cool? wow setsuna realy hate them, and what about ale/hale that always chase marie’s back all the way with a looser face.. marie..marie..marie..marie
lyle that amazingly remember & care about nyle death soon after anew killed..

and i’m sure lyle was cried when anew killed, because that normal, the problem is 00’s director seem doesn’t like to show emotion like cry, even love in his work

why setsuna never cry because there is no moment for him to crying, he never lost someone, of course he will not crying if kill somebody, because he can kill his parent with cold face… he is not natural characther….

I find it funny how you left out the rest of that sentence…
“The double O cast had the same appeal AS THE WING SERIES CAST, but with a little more emotion and reasonable characteristic.”
As you can see I was comparing it to the psychotic characters in the Wing series in that statement…
But basically your reasoning is what makes a lot of anime plots drawn out and eventually boring. I’d say they did a good job keeping on track with the characters and the story without confusing you with random lower relevance situation. Honestly I would hate watching a series if one of the side characters is just crying about his brother or his parents throughout the entire season when its something that happened years ago. In fact one of the morals in the story is to fight for a better future(aka dont dwell in the past, learn from your mistakes). And I dont see why Lyle would care that deeply about his brother when the show hinted that they weren’t even close to begin with. And of course he’ll remember his bro’s death when he’s facing his killer…DUH!
Overall, I dont watch anime to experience realism….it defeats the purpose, that’s what living in reality and socializing is for.
you should try it sometime… ;P

Setsuna was a Middle-Eastern child soldier, something which is still all too fucking common even today. How many times do your turn on the news and hear about suicide bombings? Chances are that about half of them weren’t even in their teens.

if setsuna not cry when kill his parent, its mean he not loved his parent anymore, i’m already say above..yeah because malice of ali al saches..even after he know he is just manipulated by ali, he never look sad, just little bit angry and no regret!

of course, there is no sad scene so why setsuna, heero, cry…amuro cried in first because the scene is full emotion for him, but he never cried again in zeta and so on, or kira case that cried in seed but not anymore in destiny

@Juno-Uno
“The double O cast had the same appeal AS THE WING SERIES CAST, but with a little more emotion and reasonable characteristic.”

so u mean 00 character more reasonable from wing (sorry i not read properly), it is mean character 00 still not reasonable if compare with real world ? absolutely yes…

@Aldotsk
“Apparently, everyone was born to blow up themselves with people around him/her. It’s natural thing to do. *rollseyes* – apparently automatic has never lost his parents from terrorists before.”

what did you mean? if i lost my parent of courses i will deeply sad, normal it isn’t?

@be@x
aliens=lower than animals? uhhh…maybe in District 9. Or you watched the wrong movie and thought it was Gundam 00.

@automatic
you said that Setsuna is a bit angry ‘but has no regret’- why would he be angry if he didn’t regret killing his parents. The feeling of regret can be expressed several ways in people.

No love? Why is that a bad thing anyway? Setsuna’s background was made so that he doesn’t cry everytime he thinks of his parents dead or things that happened years ago. Instead he acts on it.
In your comparison to amuro and kira not crying in the sequels…
Are you sure you actually watched Gundam 00? In S1 Setsuna shows little emotion except determination to carry out Aeolia’s plan. When you get to S2, and the 4 year skip- Setsuna is already more than that and has his own ideals, and doesn’t just follow orders. He also shows more emotion.
This is how I would ‘simplify’ the growth of Setsuna over the 2 seasons. Emotionless child due to manipulated childhood–> young adult with own ideals, actual emotion and care for people.

Change in a character doens’t just have to be cry–>no cry. It can be shown other ways as well.

In the end, when you look at Setsuna’s background, its like “no shit sherlock” that he doesn’t cry over such things. He’s been through hardships already in his childhood. Kira and Amuro on the other hand have been living luxury lives with friends, doing ‘things other than killing your parents and participate in a war’, until the series start. Which is why they ‘cry’ and angst over “omg I shot him oh noes”

Also. If you lost your parents, you would be very sad. Yes. How about 3+ years afterwards? Do you think you’ll be crying about it 5 years after?
Setsuna killed his parents definitely more than 3 years ago before teh TV series started. As a result he’s pretty emotionless, but not a crying baby. He’s a much more stronger character than Kira, in my opinion.

still don’t understand what the fuss is all about that pic is. can’t a male hero go emo at times? or maybe a lot of gundam “fans” think that gundam is just all about huge robots shooting each other’s butts with laser cannons.

@greengreen
Yes that the reason why setsuna never cry, because there is no sad situation for setsuna to cry, like amuro in zeta and CCA or kira in destiny, right?

btw setsuna lost his parent by his own hand (he killed them), i dont know how to explain setsuna feeling, did he feel sad, regret, have grudge to ali that manipulated him…because setsuna very2 emotionless

for example:
setsuna mad to ali? yes..
but when first trans-am active, he definetily can kill ali, but he let him go!

it is because setsuna emotionless, or dont care anymore about his past, or maybe setsuna doesn’t love their parent from the begining like i said before!

read my reply from before please. I know your english isn’t very good, but dude.

my whole response before was totally telling you that Setsuna doesn’t cry because his character had been through hardship as a child and thus doesn’t cry whenever people get killed. He must have countless friends die as a result of KPSA/religion brainwashing.

You come back throw that all out and just tell me again Setsuna doesn’t cry because there is no ‘sad situation’?

I will quote you “why setsuna never cry because there is no moment for him to crying, he never lost someone, of course he will not crying if kill somebody,”

For your example on ali- you seem to be a blood-thirsty fellow…..why does it always have to end in revenge and killing?
If Setsuna didn’t care about the parents he killed, why does that one memory of him shooting his mother be so imprinted in his mind? Because it was significant and important.
To a degree, Setsuna doesn’t really care that much about his past. This is because he’s focused on being a Meister for CB. Why is this a bad thing again? It’s his character.

I don’t really get what your point is for saying Setsuna is emotionless.

setsuna from 00
Q: are you kill your parent?
A: yes (with cool face) i kill them with my hand..
Q: are you ok?
A: i’m OK, that was happenend long time ago and i am strong
Q: do you still remember about that?
A: just 1 time

yes setsuna realy strong, kill his parent, no problem, lockon die, still ok…tieria die first time, just say “i will revenge your death”

maybe suzaku need learn to setsuna, just forget about your sin and become strong!!

You are exactly right…Code Geass had shoddy writing.. If Suzaku cared about his parents, why was he only shocked when lelouch reminded him?

In any case, I don’t see you point. Setsuna and Suzaku are different people. Their emotional quotient(EQ) is also different, and thus their reactions are different.
It only shows that Setsuna can contain emotion better than Suzaku. They’re different people, why would you want them to act the same way?

By your logic, everyone in CB must have the same reaction to Lockon’s death-i.e. cry, punch Setsuna for taking Exia to earth and breaking up CB’s gundams. Then, by your logic, everyone would slap each other in the face and tell each other “Setsuna’s not to blame” like Sumeragi did to Tieria.

A simple example are teh two Lockon’s. They both suffered the same fate of their family getting destroyed, but we can obviously see that they have their own personality despite looking the same. Different people they are..Lockon 1.0 didn’t even get over his family and died trying to kill Ali. Lockon 2.0 didn’t even bother about revenge for his sister/parents. Only his bro.

Not only do you have to re-watch Gundam00, you need to rewatch Code Geass.

@automatic”
“… but when first trans-am active, he definetily can kill ali, but he let him go!”

This one I blame the directors. I still don’t know why. But maybe Setsuna was high on Tran-Am and Ali flew off fast enough.

“… it is because setsuna emotionless, or dont care anymore about his past, or maybe setsuna doesn’t love their parent from the begining like i said before!”

I should hang a “I R AMERIKA” sign and four slabs of pork on you and drop you off at Pakistan’s mountains for this one. Didn’t you watch 00 S1, Ali brought his holy book with him and hoodwinked not just Setsuna, but a platoon’s worth of children to fight for some holy war of his that’s got nothing to do with being holy!

Please DO READ the arguments before you troll, so that at least, the rest of us won’t look like idiots for seeminly trying to reply to a message bot.

I was under the impression that Setsuna didn’t kill Ali because he realized that would make him no different than Ali. But then again, it’s been a while since I last watch 00. It’s probably Marina and her terrible song to blame :p

@greengreen
i never hope they act same like u said, that your conclusion…setsuna and suzaku really difference, suzaku never forgot his sin, traumatic, for killed his beloved father….what about setsuna? setsuna can hold emotion about his sin that killed his parent because he is strong (if like this, he is no difference with cold blooded killer), enough feel regret with just 1 dream, and all sin was gone!!

“By your logic, everyone in CB must have the same reaction to Lockon’s death-i.e. cry, punch Setsuna for taking Exia to earth and breaking up CB’s gundams. Then, by your logic, everyone would slap each other in the face and tell each other “Setsuna’s not to blame” like Sumeragi did to Tieria.”

that your logic, i never say that!

correction for u;
“If Suzaku cared about his parents, why was he only shocked when lelouch reminded him? ”

Do you want Setsuna to tell everybody he killed his parents, and somehow atone for his sins, 5+ years after he did it? What do you want Setsuna to do about killing his parents many years before teh show starts? You want him to cry everytime he thinks of his mum and dad? Is that what you want? Seeing as Setsuna’s ‘sin’ is still not atoned for.
You want Setsuna to show some kind of sadness/emotion because he killed his parents when he was a little boy?

Please tell me. If you don’t want Setsuna to be holding in his feeling about his dead parents/dead friends, how do you want him to express it in such a way it is relevant in the show.

Cry for S1, then not cry for S2 to show you he’s a big boy now? Is that what you want?

If that is not your logic, then why did you compare reactions between Suzaku and Setsuna and point out a ‘bad’ and a ‘right’ way of representing a character? Tell me in your response why you would compare Suzaku’s reaction and Setsuna’s reaction then?

For your last point, lets just say Suzaku gets a shocked reaction everytime ANYONE reminds him of his parents. e.g. Lelouch, Mao, CC, anyone.
But no-one even reminds Setsuna about him killing his parents (no-one knows about it), yet you want some response from him?

You seem to forget that Setsuna’s mindset at the time he killed his parents, was that he really did think it was the right thing to do.
He’s angry at Ali for brainwashing him this way. He’s shocked when he sees Ali again during armed intervention.
He shows that he is a different person than when he was in KPSA, saying “There is no God in this world”
Setsuna has no intention of atoning for his ‘sins’. All is in the past. He won’t cry when he thinks of it. His EQ is higher than yours. He takes on the name “Setsuna F Seiei” and rarely uses his real name “Soran”.

If Ali didn’t show up, Setsuna wouldn’t of even shown the audience any anger. There would be no target for his anger with no Ali. Setsuna has gotten over it. People get over things. ’tis life.

can’t believe some of the people such as automatic don’t pay attention especially the part with Ali brainwashing Setsuna when he was a child (matter of fact gundam 00 not only on going the way with gundam wing but a few FMP parts mixed in as well)

I agree with greengreen with his comment about Setsuna. The last thing which most of us don’t want are in is someone flaming the comments with pointless insults started by trolls such as CV, iflameu, 00hater, any gundam seed fans who think seed is better, and etc.

WTH, and here I thought that some teenagers managed to grow up since the times of Seed/Destiny. Guess most of those comments proved me wrong.

Crappy arguments such as these make me vote for disabling the ‘comment’ options since all it serves right now is to fuel some moronic arguments of people that have no decency and call themselves ‘Gundam fans’

Funny you should bring up the cold blooded killer argument when almost every Gundam pilot get to kill at least one grunt in every battle. You can’t even understand that Setsuna actually reacted positively (by taking initiative to change the wicked world) as opposed to sitting at the corner crying about his past accomplishing nothing. Isn’t that pretty much what they established in 2nd Season? That he chooses not to dwell on sins he committed(regretted and admitted), but to move forward to eliminate conflicts as some sort of atonement, if any?

Sigh. Feels like talking to a brick wall, you’ll probably return with the same point anyways.

Woah… wtf, A picture of Setsuna and everyone is rolling over and raging. Come on people! It’s not as big of a deal as if Char was shown to suddenly go super emo or something absurd where Amuro, Kamille, and Judau do a Char kick together >_>. That’s something to roll over and rage about or die of laughter.

Oh god please do not start up another war, the first one was already stupid due to one guy being a breakwall and language barriers. We don’t need one that gives the same guy a chance to come out of his hole again.