BCCI, CSA in 'fruitful' discussions

The meeting between the BCCI and CSA in Mumbai did not end the impasse over India's tour to South Africa at the end of the year, but it proved a "fruitful" discussion for both parties.

It is understood that the BCCI president N Srinivasan and secretary Sanjay Patel explained the contentious issues to CSA president Chris Nenzani and lead independent director Norman Arendse, leaving the ball in South Africa's court. Nenzani said he would revert to the BCCI in a day or two.

"It was a very cordial meeting and it went off well," Patel said. "We are very hopeful that everything will work out nicely."

Though the outcome may seem like the continuation of the stalemate, the boards were interpreting it as the first step towards ending the impasse that began in July. An official announcement about India's tour of South Africa is expected to be made next week.

Though neither the BCCI nor CSA detailed the issues, the two major contentious points are the tour itinerary and the acrimonious relationship between the Indian board and the CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat.

In all likelihood, India will not play more than two Tests and three ODIs in South Africa; CSA's original itinerary comprised two Twenty20s, three Tests and seven ODIs. It will be up to the South African board to accept such a truncated itinerary because a shortened tour will have huge financial implications for CSA, which has already suffered a loss in the previous financial year.

After its annual general meeting in Johannesburg in Nenzazi's absence, CSA announced a loss for 2012-13. It has reserves of R300 million and has forecast a net profit of R286 million for the next year cycle ending in April. However, that forecast is based on television revenue from a full India tour, which is unlikely to happen. CSA's reserves are depleted by visits by teams other than India, Australia and England because there is no profit made from those series.

Its baffling why CSA created a problem for themselves. Why annouce an itinerary without BCCI's consent. Then appoint Lorgat who was disliked by BCCI.

If you profit making ability depends solely on revenue from India why bite the hand that feeds you. Any top manager would laugh at what CSA has done to put itself in such a sorry predicament.

Dummy4
on October 15, 2013, 9:56 GMT

All this BCCI drama is to give Sachin Tendulkar a home Test on a batting friendly grount against one of the weakest teams the West Indies on his retirement and to avoid green and bouncy pitches and firy South African bowlers. Remember for last two yrs the Indian hero has been performing poorly. In his last 25 innings Tendulkar has scored four fifties, no centuries, and has averaged under 30.

Dummy4
on October 14, 2013, 14:08 GMT

I dont give a damn about T20s or ODIs but a 3 test series is a must.

Android
on October 14, 2013, 7:20 GMT

I think bcci is not going in the right direction particularly n invasion because he is destroying Indian cricket for his personal issues with harpoon forgot.as a cricket fan I think India should play 3test matches 5odds and 1t20 minimum.

Android
on October 14, 2013, 5:27 GMT

rohan give us a break. enough Ind Sl rivalry, tour will go on although a curtailed tour but much better than a Ind Sl series

Dummy4
on October 14, 2013, 4:08 GMT

If fails, only option left is to have a test series with Sri Lanka.

Madhu
on October 13, 2013, 23:26 GMT

I dont know why BCCI is claiming that CSA fixed the schedules without consent. If that is the case why do the schedules listed in the BCCI website still show the full tour listing. If it was not approved why did they list it

Of the current players abinav mukund has the best list A average (50) as an opener. Why wasn't he given chances? Rohit sharma did not open in the domestic in any format. His performance shows he is best suited for tests.

David
on October 13, 2013, 2:34 GMT

@Nirmal Kar
They can't replace the Tests with ODIs.

The whole point of the South African season is that during families' summer holidays from work and school they watch the cricket.

If you're in or near Cape Town, Johannesburg, Pretoria or Durban you go the Test, enjoy a Braai (barbecue), spend several days watching the match in the sunshine with your friends. If you're elsewhere in the country you watch it all day on TV - remember, it's the summer holidays - and try to ensure that you go to Cape Town or Durban for a holiday to watch the Test there.

That is why India's refusal to sign off on a schedule has been so disruptive and has compromised gate receipts at the grounds, as workers haven't known when to apply for leave from work.

This also, incidentally, equally affects the Indian South Africans in and around Durban, who should have been booking their time off eight or nine months ago, and still can't. A doctor friend of mine is furious that now it's too late to get leave.

Jets
on October 16, 2013, 22:59 GMT

Its baffling why CSA created a problem for themselves. Why annouce an itinerary without BCCI's consent. Then appoint Lorgat who was disliked by BCCI.

If you profit making ability depends solely on revenue from India why bite the hand that feeds you. Any top manager would laugh at what CSA has done to put itself in such a sorry predicament.

Dummy4
on October 15, 2013, 9:56 GMT

All this BCCI drama is to give Sachin Tendulkar a home Test on a batting friendly grount against one of the weakest teams the West Indies on his retirement and to avoid green and bouncy pitches and firy South African bowlers. Remember for last two yrs the Indian hero has been performing poorly. In his last 25 innings Tendulkar has scored four fifties, no centuries, and has averaged under 30.

Dummy4
on October 14, 2013, 14:08 GMT

I dont give a damn about T20s or ODIs but a 3 test series is a must.

Android
on October 14, 2013, 7:20 GMT

I think bcci is not going in the right direction particularly n invasion because he is destroying Indian cricket for his personal issues with harpoon forgot.as a cricket fan I think India should play 3test matches 5odds and 1t20 minimum.

Android
on October 14, 2013, 5:27 GMT

rohan give us a break. enough Ind Sl rivalry, tour will go on although a curtailed tour but much better than a Ind Sl series

Dummy4
on October 14, 2013, 4:08 GMT

If fails, only option left is to have a test series with Sri Lanka.

Madhu
on October 13, 2013, 23:26 GMT

I dont know why BCCI is claiming that CSA fixed the schedules without consent. If that is the case why do the schedules listed in the BCCI website still show the full tour listing. If it was not approved why did they list it

Of the current players abinav mukund has the best list A average (50) as an opener. Why wasn't he given chances? Rohit sharma did not open in the domestic in any format. His performance shows he is best suited for tests.

David
on October 13, 2013, 2:34 GMT

@Nirmal Kar
They can't replace the Tests with ODIs.

The whole point of the South African season is that during families' summer holidays from work and school they watch the cricket.

If you're in or near Cape Town, Johannesburg, Pretoria or Durban you go the Test, enjoy a Braai (barbecue), spend several days watching the match in the sunshine with your friends. If you're elsewhere in the country you watch it all day on TV - remember, it's the summer holidays - and try to ensure that you go to Cape Town or Durban for a holiday to watch the Test there.

That is why India's refusal to sign off on a schedule has been so disruptive and has compromised gate receipts at the grounds, as workers haven't known when to apply for leave from work.

This also, incidentally, equally affects the Indian South Africans in and around Durban, who should have been booking their time off eight or nine months ago, and still can't. A doctor friend of mine is furious that now it's too late to get leave.

Ashok
on October 12, 2013, 23:58 GMT

This is heading the same way as the Congress shutting down the USA. Why complicate a simple matter of drawing out a mutually agreeable itinerary of Indian Tour of SA? When England & NZ proposed their Indian Tour itinerary, it was accepted as it is. It will be so much better to end this posturing & gamesmanship and resume cordial relations once more. All Cricket Fans want this. The 2 Boards should take a page out of the friendly relations between the players from the 2 countries. I blame the Presidents of both the Boards. Why has "compromise" become such a dirty word?

Carbon
on October 12, 2013, 19:59 GMT

BCCI seems to be taking its ability to generate ungodly sums of money for granted. All their money is coming from fans of Indian cricket worldwide. Kapil Dev showed the arrogant BCCI that alternatives to BCCI can be created. While the ICL did not last, it made the BCCI act fast. The next revolt against them may not be so easy for them to overcome. Kapil had left the Indian fold many years ago and did not have the high level support of the Indian public. The likes of Sachin and Dravid are even bigger icons and the Indian masses will follow them if they were to create a parallel system to the BCCI. Enough disgruntled politicians and businessmen abound in India to back such endeavors with their clout and money. So BCCI should really start to pay attention.

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 18:43 GMT

instead of going for 2 test and 3 odis.... BCCI and CSA should go with 7 odis for this time and 3 tests in next july or vice versa according to the situation......as australlia and india series happening first they played 4 test and after few months coming for odis.. From my point of view india should play more test than odis...bcz they are no.1 side in odis and they should try for no.1 in test also............

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 17:24 GMT

CSA wants money and independence. CSA clearly cannot have both. Either CSA fires Lorgat and becomes BCCI's proxy, or CSA maintains its principle and can't generate enough money to be independent anyway. Australia and England will be busy playing each other in the Ashes. India is CSA's only option if financial losses are to be avoided. BCCI knows the same thing, which is why it can play hardball. India will make money no matter where or who it plays. The same cannot be said of South Africa. The options are clear, CSA. Make the choice.

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 16:38 GMT

I'd like to point out a grammatical mistake in the article.
Usage of 'revert to' phrase makes no sense. It means returning to previous stage/condition or turning one's back. When will the people realize that 'revert to' doesn't mean 'reply back'?

suru
on October 12, 2013, 16:20 GMT

india didnot want a team of their wish, but want a head who works parallely with bcci. If lorgat was serious about letter of reference, then he deserve this

Tahir
on October 12, 2013, 14:51 GMT

While the financial implications are so bad hosting other teams then cricket might only be played by fewer teams in the world or inida might be the only team in icc ranking. Fans are heavily betrayed as they are denied good cricket and all fans dont support indian team which is natural. Money from indian tour is tied to many indians who live abroad and share the crowd money outside india. Other countries dont enjoy that feat so extensively. In tests indians find empty stands and if they confronted heavily by stronger teams then limited overs indian support will also go down.

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Tahir
on October 12, 2013, 14:51 GMT

While the financial implications are so bad hosting other teams then cricket might only be played by fewer teams in the world or inida might be the only team in icc ranking. Fans are heavily betrayed as they are denied good cricket and all fans dont support indian team which is natural. Money from indian tour is tied to many indians who live abroad and share the crowd money outside india. Other countries dont enjoy that feat so extensively. In tests indians find empty stands and if they confronted heavily by stronger teams then limited overs indian support will also go down.

suru
on October 12, 2013, 16:20 GMT

india didnot want a team of their wish, but want a head who works parallely with bcci. If lorgat was serious about letter of reference, then he deserve this

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 16:38 GMT

I'd like to point out a grammatical mistake in the article.
Usage of 'revert to' phrase makes no sense. It means returning to previous stage/condition or turning one's back. When will the people realize that 'revert to' doesn't mean 'reply back'?

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 17:24 GMT

CSA wants money and independence. CSA clearly cannot have both. Either CSA fires Lorgat and becomes BCCI's proxy, or CSA maintains its principle and can't generate enough money to be independent anyway. Australia and England will be busy playing each other in the Ashes. India is CSA's only option if financial losses are to be avoided. BCCI knows the same thing, which is why it can play hardball. India will make money no matter where or who it plays. The same cannot be said of South Africa. The options are clear, CSA. Make the choice.

Dummy4
on October 12, 2013, 18:43 GMT

instead of going for 2 test and 3 odis.... BCCI and CSA should go with 7 odis for this time and 3 tests in next july or vice versa according to the situation......as australlia and india series happening first they played 4 test and after few months coming for odis.. From my point of view india should play more test than odis...bcz they are no.1 side in odis and they should try for no.1 in test also............

Carbon
on October 12, 2013, 19:59 GMT

BCCI seems to be taking its ability to generate ungodly sums of money for granted. All their money is coming from fans of Indian cricket worldwide. Kapil Dev showed the arrogant BCCI that alternatives to BCCI can be created. While the ICL did not last, it made the BCCI act fast. The next revolt against them may not be so easy for them to overcome. Kapil had left the Indian fold many years ago and did not have the high level support of the Indian public. The likes of Sachin and Dravid are even bigger icons and the Indian masses will follow them if they were to create a parallel system to the BCCI. Enough disgruntled politicians and businessmen abound in India to back such endeavors with their clout and money. So BCCI should really start to pay attention.

Ashok
on October 12, 2013, 23:58 GMT

This is heading the same way as the Congress shutting down the USA. Why complicate a simple matter of drawing out a mutually agreeable itinerary of Indian Tour of SA? When England & NZ proposed their Indian Tour itinerary, it was accepted as it is. It will be so much better to end this posturing & gamesmanship and resume cordial relations once more. All Cricket Fans want this. The 2 Boards should take a page out of the friendly relations between the players from the 2 countries. I blame the Presidents of both the Boards. Why has "compromise" become such a dirty word?

David
on October 13, 2013, 2:34 GMT

@Nirmal Kar
They can't replace the Tests with ODIs.

The whole point of the South African season is that during families' summer holidays from work and school they watch the cricket.

If you're in or near Cape Town, Johannesburg, Pretoria or Durban you go the Test, enjoy a Braai (barbecue), spend several days watching the match in the sunshine with your friends. If you're elsewhere in the country you watch it all day on TV - remember, it's the summer holidays - and try to ensure that you go to Cape Town or Durban for a holiday to watch the Test there.

That is why India's refusal to sign off on a schedule has been so disruptive and has compromised gate receipts at the grounds, as workers haven't known when to apply for leave from work.

This also, incidentally, equally affects the Indian South Africans in and around Durban, who should have been booking their time off eight or nine months ago, and still can't. A doctor friend of mine is furious that now it's too late to get leave.

vas
on October 13, 2013, 6:53 GMT

Of the current players abinav mukund has the best list A average (50) as an opener. Why wasn't he given chances? Rohit sharma did not open in the domestic in any format. His performance shows he is best suited for tests.

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