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I used to love all those special deals he got from the FA. You know the ones where Vieira got banned for longer than any other player doing worse

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Ditto. What has PHW done apart from sit back and let Wenger do all the work? Has he or any other board member put a single penny of their own money into strengthening the team like 99% of other clubs do? And I think you'll find the number of trophies we've amounted since double D's departure is a big fat ZERO. He may have made a couple of mistakes but Dein is Arsenal through and through.

Well PHW sold his shares at a knock down rate to Dein, so Dein should be grateful for the profit he made

- until Wenger moves on, they'll always be the also-rans in the major competitions. A club in elite purgatory. Always good enough to make it to the big race, never fast or smart enough to push over the finish line in first place. That's all about the manager. Until he changes, Arsenal fans will continue to celebrate glorious failure.

Dein never put a penny of his money into the club, while the hill-wood family have, and Dein so loves the Arsenal he sold ever one of his shares in the club for a large profit on the promise of becoming chairman if Usmanov got full control, self prommoter of the highest order

I love this myth that Dein's departure is the reason why we have not won anything in the last five years, DD(by his own admission) had nothing to do with team selection, team training, tactics,or anything other than trying to sign some of the players wenger asked for, and as for his little chats with Wenger, well they still are friends and meet up on a regular basis. So apart from signing the players wenger asks for, which we have Gazidis for now what would DD bring to the table, oh thats right move to wembley and get usmanov in, the one major shareholder who advocates shareholders taking a dividend out of the club. Do people actually think DD never missed out on transfer targets, and also in the few years after the building of the stadium when we had little or no money how was he going to sign more players than we did.

DD and PHW are Arsenal's past anyway.PHW may be chairman of the board but he has little to do with the day to day running of the club.
Its Stan's and Danny's club now unless Fat and Orange decide to buy Lady Nina's shares.

usmanov would be wasting his time and money buying lady nina's shares unless he first gets the go ahead of either danny or stan, the arsenal board have support of enough small shareholders to bring total voting rights over 50% and so if usmanov buys lady nina's shares he has to launch a takeover which would be doomed to fail and then under the rules he would have to sell his shares to bring it back down under 30% and so would lose massive amounts on a failed takeover attempt and still end up with the same shareholding as he has now,

by the way he has been trying to buy that extra 3% of shares to bring him up to 29.9% for six months and despite offering above share value he has not been able to get even 1% of shares. Lady Nina will only sell all her shares or none, and she can't get a buyer. For me this clearly shows no takeover is on the cards by any of our current shareholders.

DD is the only one to stand up to Wenger. Ever since he left, we haven't won a damm thing. Yes, he knows how to weil and deal and also has a lot of connections. So yes, let him come back. We need someone with his connections.

So please do explain when did dein ever stand up to wenger, Dein himself has admitted over and over that he knew nothing about football and never attempted to argue football with Wenger. So please what did he stand up to wenger over

HappyGoonerDD is the only one to stand up to Wenger. Ever since he left, we haven't won a damm thing. Yes, he knows how to weil and deal and also has a lot of connections. So yes, let him come back. We need someone with his connections

All his supposid connections and wheeler dealing didnt do much good for England's WC cup bid, furthermore if he was all that and a real "football man" he would have got the job with the FA. I agree with you that Wenger has too much control under the current owners, but what owner wuldnt love to have Wenger as manager.Dosnt spend to much, keeps the team in the CL, and is probably one of the best spin doctors you will ever come across.All while chiping away at the clubs debt,making thier invesment more profitable.
Win Win.

well the thing about Dein was that he sparked our emergence from the sort of dark ages of football. In many ways he was ahead of his time. A lot of the stuff he did stank to high heaven, the Arsenal bond being one of them. But if any of you can remember what Highbury was like pre-Dein, it was like stepping into a timewarp. Dein bought a bit of cut throat corporate credibility to the club - the clock end boxes, the rebuilt north bank, they were all under his reign. But now that the rest of football is cut throat corporate I dont see much point in worrying about him.

eduardoSo please do explain when did dein ever stand up to wenger, Dein himself has admitted over and over that he knew nothing about football and never attempted to argue football with Wenger. So please what did he stand up to wenger over

Yes dein and wenger were pals for years and dein did mention wenger as candidate for the job when graham was sacked but dein admits he was afraid to take the risk on him and it was only due to things not being good a year later and having nothing to lose that he pushed for wenger. So hiring a friend who turned out great is his greatest feat. By the way main reason why rioch was dumped was cos dein's favourite player ian wright could not get along with him and wanted to leave arsenal over it.

[quote eduardo]Yes dein and wenger were pals for years and dein did mention wenger as candidate for the job when graham was sacked but dein admits he was afraid to take the risk on him and it was only due to things not being good a year later and having nothing to lose that he pushed for wenger. So hiring a friend who turned out great is his greatest feat. By the way main reason why rioch was dumped was cos dein's favourite player ian wright could not get along with him and wanted to leave arsenal over it.[/quote] Good enough reason if you ask me

eduardoStood up to him by signing the players wenger wanted, would be funny but for idiots believing unsubstanceated bull like it.

You really really belive Wenger wanted either Jeffers and Wright (he had jerzy Dudek pretty much all wrapped up). I could possibly see Wenger geting Van Bronckhurst but he pretty much ahd the same player in Edu who he bought a year earlier for less than half the price. I always assumed it was simply David Dein and his chums at Rangers, Ipswich and Everton getting paid you know "taxasation without representation" ,

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