_________________""Fear is power. And he who knows how to feed,stoke and direct that fear is master of the frightened. A wolf to whom the sheep turn for protection" - Emperor Karl Prosek,"The Black Vault"

Wow...that would make for a great beginning. Right after the brief 5 minute CGIgasm that explains the coming of the rifts and the dark ages, rise of the coalition states. Cuts to a group of freaks in a bar (juicers, d-bees, people in armor, a hive of scum and villainy). Centers in on a group of adventurers at a booth having a conversation. Meet the heroes. Then the bar fight starts, an orgy of more eyecandy special effects as the juicer guts people, MDC weapons vaporize things, and a mage and psychic do their things. First 10 minutes of the movie make you realize this is not your normal sci-fi setting.

I've played in many games that started in a bar...usually ending with us leaving a smoldering ruin behind us (one time leveling an entire city block when the barfight moved into the street). But I've never GMed one that started in a bar. My games usually start in a prison or other bad situation that forces the group to work together despite any differences they might have.

_________________"But you can't make an omelet without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others." -Order of the Stick #760

My brother had the same adventure for three years since we never actually got to it. Every weekend one guy in the group would go into the bar and pick a fight. The bartender was never a normal sdc human. It was alway some dragon or cybory or mutant from hell that could take on the CS single handedly and win. By the time we were done killing him (and quite often eachother) the sun would be coming up outside and everyone would head off to bed.

Heh, one time, my players gambled with a Vampire chick that turned out to be the main villian of the adventure.

That was awesome

"Before you stands the woman whom you played poker with last night

Players=

...who then grabs the nearest character, pulls them up from their seat, kisses him/her passionately on the lips for a good 30 seconds, then after they break, she whispers, "I had fun last night, but you STILL owe me 500 credits." She then puts the character back in their spot, gives a small waves to the rest of the party, & casually walks off.

The players all look at each other with the expression of What happened/what did you do/how did you have 500 credits when you still owe me/who the heck was that/do you still have her number et cetera.

That should get things going.

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Heh, one time, my players gambled with a Vampire chick that turned out to be the main villian of the adventure.

That was awesome

"Before you stands the woman whom you played poker with last night

Players=

...who then grabs the nearest character, pulls them up from their seat, kisses him/her passionately on the lips for a good 30 seconds, then after they break, she whispers, "I had fun last night, but you STILL owe me 500 credits." She then puts the character back in their spot, gives a small waves to the rest of the party, & casually walks off.

The players all look at each other with the expression of What happened/what did you do/how did you have 500 credits when you still owe me/who the heck was that/do you still have her number et cetera.

That should get things going.

The only thing worse os when you take the character aside, have a bit of a muttered conversation with them and, upon returning to the room, describe the scene fo the character waking up to find said chick dressing in his room. She leaves, just as the rest of the party are gathering in the hallways and says exactly the same thing.

As for the bar, I was heartily disappointed when neither D&D mocvie started in a bar. Perhaps the Rifts movie could seek to change this gorss imbalance.

As for the bar, I was heartily disappointed when neither D&D mocvie started in a bar. Perhaps the Rifts movie could seek to change this gorss imbalance.

I believe that should read, "I was heartily disappointed in both D&D movies. Perhaps the Rifts movie could seek to change this gross imbalance, and also begin the story in a bar."

At least for me and every gamer I know.

_________________"But you can't make an omelet without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others." -Order of the Stick #760

You find yourself in a bar. In the corner is a shady looking old man (played by Rutger Hauer) wearing a dark-coloured hooded robe, and leaning over a tankard of ale. There is nobody at any of the tables surrounding him, and his back is to the corner of the bar where nobody can sneak up behind him. What do you do?

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You find yourself in a bar. In the corner is a shady looking old man (played by Rutger Hauer) wearing a dark-coloured hooded robe, and leaning over a tankard of ale. There is nobody at any of the tables surrounding him, and his back is to the corner of the bar where nobody can sneak up behind him. What do you do?

I am sorry to report that I have never had a Rifts campaign start out from a bar. Other games, yes, but not Rifts. Don't get me wrong. I have been in a small struggle in a bar once, but most of the combat I do is in space with my veritech.

I've played in many games that started in a bar...usually ending with us leaving a smoldering ruin behind us (one time leveling an entire city block when the barfight moved into the street).

That's not a bar fight, one time a group I was in levelled most of a town. We were playing Deadlands D20 (I'm just about the only one in this city who runs Palladium games) and we were at the bar. Somehow we got into a stand-off with some guys who had it in for us and one of them was wearing a vest strapped in dynamite. My friend opened fire at him, setting off the TNT, the explosion destroyed the bar and set off the ridiculous amount of nitroglycerine one of our party was carrying (still don't understand why), long story short, I don't think they found remains of any of us.

Now THAT'S a bar fight

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OF COURSE I DID IT IN COLD BLOOD, I'M A REPTILE YOU IDIOT!!!!

Every word in your book has already been published, ever try reading, THE DICTIONARY!?!?

My friend opened fire at him, setting off the TNT, the explosion destroyed the bar and set off the ridiculous amount of nitroglycerine one of our party was carrying (still don't understand why), long story short, I don't think they found remains of any of us.

Now THAT'S a bar fight

That's not a barfight, that's suicide. Why would any character who can die by explosions willingly carry around large quantities of nitroglycerine as a normal part of their inventory? Nitroglycerine is one of the most unstable explosives known to man, unless it is packed properly in sawdust and whatever else is used in TNT.

Any bar fight you can walk away from is a bar fight, if it's a party wipe, it's a massacre, accident, or apocalyptic event.

_________________"But you can't make an omelet without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others." -Order of the Stick #760

My friend opened fire at him, setting off the TNT, the explosion destroyed the bar and set off the ridiculous amount of nitroglycerine one of our party was carrying (still don't understand why), long story short, I don't think they found remains of any of us.

Now THAT'S a bar fight

That's not a barfight, that's suicide. Why would any character who can die by explosions willingly carry around large quantities of nitroglycerine as a normal part of their inventory? Nitroglycerine is one of the most unstable explosives known to man, unless it is packed properly in sawdust and whatever else is used in TNT.

Any bar fight you can walk away from is a bar fight, if it's a party wipe, it's a massacre, accident, or apocalyptic event.

My friend opened fire at him, setting off the TNT, the explosion destroyed the bar and set off the ridiculous amount of nitroglycerine one of our party was carrying (still don't understand why), long story short, I don't think they found remains of any of us.

Now THAT'S a bar fight

That's not a barfight, that's suicide. Why would any character who can die by explosions willingly carry around large quantities of nitroglycerine as a normal part of their inventory? Nitroglycerine is one of the most unstable explosives known to man, unless it is packed properly in sawdust and whatever else is used in TNT.

In Deadlands? The simple answer...the PC is a Mad Scientist.

Also, my $00.02 on the "in a bar" opening, is that while hilarious, I think its too much of an inside joke for gamers. I think the producers would shy away from something like that, for mass appeal.

They could just introduce the main heroic lead as he sits in a bar (which the camera did one of those from orbit zoom-ins on after the opening scene describing the cataclysm), nursing a drink, a big gruff something or other smacks a hand on his shoulder, says in a voice that sounds like chewing gravel might help it "you got my creds yet, slag?" he reaches into his jacket, theres a click, laser fire goes off, etc...etc...

To the film audiences, it would be an exciting introduction to the universe, to all of us RPG geeks it would be an "omg, you're in a bar and this guy..." moment.

But on the bar conversation, I can't say any of our rifts games started in a bar, but we always found our way into one at some point or another, hell, my drunken mind melter uses hydrokinesis to find bars.

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Back in the hey day,.. before I jumped into my current gaming group, the resident GM would always ALWAYS start in a bar,.. with this line somewhere in the first 5 minutes of intro

"... your in a bar,.. and the Triax come,..."

Now,.. at the time,.. the GM THOUGHT the Triax was the actual army for the NGR,.. and seeing as how the gaming group's characters usually wouldn't get along with the NGR,.. they had reason to fear this "Triax",.. later when they/we realised the Triax are who they actually are,.. it became a standing joke to say at the beginning of every campaign

"Your in a bar, and the Triax come." I never understood why it wasn't "and the Triax burst in,.." or "and the Triax slink in,.." or something similar,..

True, but how many "adventures" do you go on where there's extreme peril and people trying to kill you? More to the point, how often do you hang around with people you just happened to randomly meet that were looking for the same things and were extremely well armed to the point of carrying several weapons into that bar?

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True, but how many "adventures" do you go on where there's extreme peril and people trying to kill you? More to the point, how often do you hang around with people you just happened to randomly meet that were looking for the same things and were extremely well armed to the point of carrying several weapons into that bar?

So you're telling me this isn't normal where you live? It sounded like a normal day to me...

_________________"But you can't make an omelet without ruthlessly crushing dozens of eggs beneath your steel boot and then publicly disemboweling the chickens that laid them as a warning to others." -Order of the Stick #760

dude that happend to me at least once a week. right down to the weapons. i always had 5 knives situated in various...places...anyways the only difference is that we didnt have nijas and sorcerors in our "adventures"....much....but i'm from new york soo.....

Heck, the entire movie could be set around the bar in Tales of the Chi-Town Burbs. I'd be all right with that.

we think alike! I totally agree!

_________________""Fear is power. And he who knows how to feed,stoke and direct that fear is master of the frightened. A wolf to whom the sheep turn for protection" - Emperor Karl Prosek,"The Black Vault"

lol good lord...... do you know how many times any role player has heard that. My favorite was my old GM use to be like whats your characters running speed. you replay 20+ with my skill bonuses.GM starts by saving your running for your life from a group of guards from the castle you and your party robbed.

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Should be the opening lines. I mean just those words bring back so many memorys.

Of course the obligatory alcoholic discharge of MDC weapons in a flimsy wooden structure will follow.........

I couldn't believe it, when it happened... My players just ended up there ordering 35 year old booze from a rundown hotel bar. I'm currently working with it. It's funny, I had thought when I first read this post a few weeks back," I'm never going to start a game like this..."

Not a Rifts game, and it wasn't the start of the game, but this reminds me of what can only be called an epic bar fight.

Our group got into fisticuffs with some people (I forget the reason) and it spilled onto the street. The town watch became involved and our characters decided that this was fun and no one was really getting hurt on either side, so they ran with it and five people ended up taking on (and defeating) about 20 or so in a straight up fist fight. In the end, the party only gave up because they got tired and wanted to go to bed.

The next morning, the town guard (all fifteen of them) wanted to hire us to bolster their ranks.

_________________If I am going to be accused of misdeeds and treated accordingly, then I am going to actually earn the treatment I get. Period. There is no need to hold back when I am treated with one standard and others are treated according to another standard.

Heh, one time, my players gambled with a Vampire chick that turned out to be the main villian of the adventure.

That was awesome

"Before you stands the woman whom you played poker with last night

Players=

I like it! There's a certain James Bond element. I think I may have to borrow this idea... hmm..

my last rifts game had the players sent to extract info from a guy in a bar right outside the CS state boundary. Only they didn't know he was a mind melter until they were captured.

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