peeker643 wrote:So quiet when there's nothing to bitch about from Preseason Game #1.

Sucks when the QB is efficient and effective if not downright good. Sucks when weapons you didn't know about beforehand pass the muster and perform.

This place would have been apoplectic had the Packers won that game 45-3.

Shit, there would have been 25 posts alone on Jauron needing a timeout before the very first play after the opening kickoff.

Hopefully the Lions crush them next week so folks can get back to posting. Or maybe we'll have a few more threads when the surprise wears off.

It's a process. You have to trust the process.

Can't someone at least bitch about someone like Ben Watson being too old to be useful when this team gets good or tell me how Evan Moore is unreliable and injury prone but then bitch about not going out and signing Sydney Rice or dealing for Lee Evans or Osi Umenyiora?

I've gotten it elsewhere. Where there's also been bitching about using a 4th round pick on a guy who will not only start on offense every week but who will also be a key on special teams.

Ok, not worth a new thread, but Armond Smith got the majority of the carries last night because

a) He's had a great camp and deserved those carriesb) As an UDFA has no chance to make the team and was being showcased for a tradec) Will definitely be in the mix as a change of pace guy. Montario - now is not the time to riding a stationary bike on the sidelinesd) WTF is an Armond Smith?

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

For me...its not just about "getting Lee Evans" its the fact that it only cost a 4th rounder to get his services.

WRs did a nice job last night, but they are still sub-par on NFL standards. They will struggle when the real games start and the vanilla preseason defenses are replaced with aggressive press coverage and blitzes. Not to mention actually having to play against their best corner (Charles Woodson).

ShadowDawg wrote:For me...its not just about "getting Lee Evans" its the fact that it only cost a 4th rounder to get his services.

WRs did a nice job last night, but they are still sub-par on NFL standards. They will struggle when the real games start and the vanilla preseason defenses are replaced with aggressive press coverage and blitzes. Not to mention actually having to play against their best corner (Charles Woodson).

Just for you Peek. ;)

SD:

We're saving our firepower for next years draft , and are going to sort out if these receivers can be effective when executing a real offense , and not Dumballs wet dream mangy fantasy of what an offense should be.

Little and Cribbs showed well , while neither of our top weapons iin Masso or Mitchell even dressed.

Watson needs half a dozen touches a game , because he's a beast and plain out ignites the deep seam route which is Colts favorite .

Rather that fourth we saved buys some linebacker or safety help next year .

ShadowDawg wrote:For me...its not just about "getting Lee Evans" its the fact that it only cost a 4th rounder to get his services.

WRs did a nice job last night, but they are still sub-par on NFL standards. They will struggle when the real games start and the vanilla preseason defenses are replaced with aggressive press coverage and blitzes. Not to mention actually having to play against their best corner (Charles Woodson).

Just for you Peek. ;)

SD:

We're saving our firepower for next years draft , and are going to sort out if these receivers can be effective when executing a real offense , and not Dumballs wet dream mangy fantasy of what an offense should be.

Little and Cribbs showed well , while neither of our top weapons iin Masso or Mitchell even dressed.

Watson needs half a dozen touches a game , because he's a beast and plain out ignites the deep seam route which is Colts favorite .

Rather that fourth we saved buys some linebacker or safety help next year .

SoulDawg

Agree with this.

And I disagree that we know this group of receivers in this system are substandard. No one can tell me how Greg Little will handle press coverage or better corners until he does. And I'd rather have Little today than today's Lee Evans. No one can tell me that this system will or won't benefit MoMass and Biskie til we see them in it. No one knows of Jordan Norwood or Carlton Mitchell will be guys who contribute.

Moore has also proven he can play regardless of who's lined up across from the Browns offense.

I know I've said it but I like a few of these guys in this offensive system. I think it accentuates what strengths they bring and limits the times they're asked to do what they can't.

peeker643 wrote:Can't someone at least bitch about someone like Ben Watson being too old to be useful when this team gets good or tell me how Evan Moore is unreliable and injury prone but then bitch about not going out and signing Sydney Rice or dealing for Lee Evans or Osi Umenyiora?

I've gotten it elsewhere. Where there's also been bitching about using a 4th round pick on a guy who will not only start on offense every week but who will also be a key on special teams.

Peek, I think you misunderstand me (can't speak for anyone else).

I'm not bitching about any one person in particular that the Browns didn't get. I do, however, remain in the Bitchhood regarding the fact that Heckert picked up - what? - about 4 new guys via Free Agency and trades?

I know that some of these Undrafted Free Agents that everyone seems to have fallen in love with will stick and help the team. But it's not like the only reason they were undrafted is that everyone else is stupid. They're hit or miss guys - and those types miss a lot more than they hit.

If you want to seriously compete, you don't fill your roster with those guys and just pray.

I'm not even looking for the home run. I'm looking for the 5 or 6 year vets that will back up current starters and create depth. You know, so that when a couple starters go down, you're not relying on undrafted rookies to carry your team.

Heckert's approach so far seems to me about developing as much young talent as possible because we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this year. Maybe this is an incredibly wise approach that will pan out for us 2 or 3 years from now. But I also don't think it would've been that hard or that painful to sign maybe 4 or 5 other guys on the relatively inexpensive to help round out this team and maybe try to compete NOW. Just for shits and giggles, ya know.

Cuz I KNOW that the plan isn't to Suck For Luck. Even if they tried that plan, they'd have a hard time beating out the Bengals.

peeker643 wrote:Can't someone at least bitch about someone like Ben Watson being too old to be useful when this team gets good or tell me how Evan Moore is unreliable and injury prone but then bitch about not going out and signing Sydney Rice or dealing for Lee Evans or Osi Umenyiora?

I've gotten it elsewhere. Where there's also been bitching about using a 4th round pick on a guy who will not only start on offense every week but who will also be a key on special teams.

Peek, I think you misunderstand me (can't speak for anyone else).

I'm not bitching about any one person in particular that the Browns didn't get. I do, however, remain in the Bitchhood regarding the fact that Heckert picked up - what? - about 4 new guys via Free Agency and trades?

I know that some of these Undrafted Free Agents that everyone seems to have fallen in love with will stick and help the team. But it's not like the only reason they were undrafted is that everyone else is stupid. They're hit or miss guys - and those types miss a lot more than they hit.

If you want to seriously compete, you don't fill your roster with those guys and just pray.

I'm not even looking for the home run. I'm looking for the 5 or 6 year vets that will back up current starters and create depth. You know, so that when a couple starters go down, you're not relying on undrafted rookies to carry your team.

Heckert's approach so far seems to me about developing as much young talent as possible because we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning this year. Maybe this is an incredibly wise approach that will pan out for us 2 or 3 years from now. But I also don't think it would've been that hard or that painful to sign maybe 4 or 5 other guys on the relatively inexpensive to help round out this team and maybe try to compete NOW. Just for shits and giggles, ya know.

Cuz I KNOW that the plan isn't to Suck For Luck. Even if they tried that plan, they'd have a hard time beating out the Bengals.

I wasn't referring to your stuff Chris. More so others whose quest for negativity sends them high and low to search for subject matter. And if they can't find it they make it up.

Just a general comment. You're stuff is grounded in reality IMO.

And I'm not even saying this team wins more than 5 or 6 games. I don't think they do. I just think they've got a a plan and they're executing it and building with the players that will take them where they want to be.

I said I disagree with not getting any playmakers for the derfense. I don't understand that. It could just be they truly believe they already have them or they'll figure out specifically which ones they need and target them next season. Also agree that Suck for Luck insn't viable.

mattvan1 wrote:Once the SoulDawg "Hyperbole Cancellation Filter" is applied it all makes sense.

Describing a guy who didn't catch a pass last year as "one of our top weapons" is just a bit over the top.

Just a bit.

SD:

Masso and Mitchell are designated as weapons , because they have the physical size and speed to stretch the field .

Certainly its subjective as to how good or bad or sharp these tools in the shed can be.

But my point was we didn't suck in the receiving department while two guys designated to help in the passing game didn't even suit up .

Course if you can't get a grip around that perspective its understandable as those addicted to the Mangy process are dooomed to the light of hope, damn near like vampires a scairt of the morning sun :)

Masso and Mitchell are designated as weapons , because they have the physical size and speed to stretch the field .

Certainly its subjective as to how good or bad or sharp these tools in the shed can be.

But my point was we didn't suck in the receiving department while two guys designated to help in the passing game didn't even suit up .

Course if you can't get a grip around that perspective its understandable as those addicted to the Mangy process are dooomed to the light of hope, damn near like vampires a scairt of the morning sun :)

SoulDawg

Gulp, both of our "weapons" could be starting the season on the PUP. Gives you a starting rotation of Biskie, Cribbs, and Little.

Check me out at Dawgsbynature, where I write stuff, or @twitter as Josh Finney.

peeker643 wrote:I wasn't referring to your stuff Chris. More so others whose quest for negativity sends them high and low to search for subject matter. And if they can't find it they make it up.

Just a general comment. You're stuff is grounded in reality IMO.

And I'm not even saying this team wins more than 5 or 6 games. I don't think they do. I just think they've got a a plan and they're executing it and building with the players that will take them where they want to be.

I said I disagree with not getting any playmakers for the derfense. I don't understand that. It could just be they truly believe they already have them or they'll figure out specifically which ones they need and target them next season. Also agree that Suck for Luck insn't viable.

mattvan1 wrote:Once the SoulDawg "Hyperbole Cancellation Filter" is applied it all makes sense.

Describing a guy who didn't catch a pass last year as "one of our top weapons" is just a bit over the top.

Just a bit.

SD:

Masso and Mitchell are designated as weapons , because they have the physical size and speed to stretch the field .

Certainly its subjective as to how good or bad or sharp these tools in the shed can be.

But my point was we didn't suck in the receiving department while two guys designated to help in the passing game didn't even suit up .

Course if you can't get a grip around that perspective its understandable as those addicted to the Mangy process are dooomed to the light of hope, damn near like vampires a scairt of the morning sun :)

SoulDawg

Nice recovery. But just because you fell on your own fumble does not mean that you are not a fumbler.

BTW, I am pretty sure that I was firmly in the "fire Mangini" camp at the end of last year.

I would recommend a moratorium on discussing the previous regime – I’ll get all I want of Mangini on ESPN. No need to drag his carcass through the mud here.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

mattvan1 wrote:Once the SoulDawg "Hyperbole Cancellation Filter" is applied it all makes sense.

Describing a guy who didn't catch a pass last year as "one of our top weapons" is just a bit over the top.

Just a bit.

SD:

Masso and Mitchell are designated as weapons , because they have the physical size and speed to stretch the field .

Certainly its subjective as to how good or bad or sharp these tools in the shed can be.

But my point was we didn't suck in the receiving department while two guys designated to help in the passing game didn't even suit up .

Course if you can't get a grip around that perspective its understandable as those addicted to the Mangy process are dooomed to the light of hope, damn near like vampires a scairt of the morning sun :)

SoulDawg

Nice recovery. But just because you fell on your own fumble does not mean that you are not a fumbler.

BTW, I am pretty sure that I was firmly in the "fire Mangini" camp at the end of last year.

I would recommend a moratorium on discussing the previous regime – I’ll get all I want of Mangini on ESPN. No need to drag his carcass through the mud here.

SD:

Called Bullshit on the spot when Homie declared mangy desereved another year , and called him big pimpin taking Lerners $50 million while allowing Mangy to take all the bullets for the rebuild.

They are far better off with new coaches , after stocking the team with 43 talent last year while still under the guise of supporting the doomed from the start 34 puppet regime of the little goofy monster QB talent guru........not.

I like that they are willing to take their lumps now when everything and everybody is all catching on to each other .

These kids today are tomorrows grizzled vets.

My only real Bitch is that Homlgren wasted a year choosing to sacrifice Mangies head to get his head start and make his splash , and that Heckert is a fuckin fool when it comes to spotting and appreciating linebacker talent.

Yeah I like Jordan Cameron , but the play of the second day draft was Casey Mathews now calling plays as a rookie starter in the heart of a perennial playoff contender at Philly.

He's got some making up to do , for me to cut him some slack on that one.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

SoulDawg74 wrote:Yeah I like Jordan Cameron , but the play of the second day draft was Casey Mathews now calling plays as a rookie starter in the heart of a perennial playoff contender at Philly.

He's got some making up to do , for me to cut him some slack on that one.

SoulDawg

Personally, I'm gonna wait until after some games have been played to stress about that one. Right now, Casey Matthews is nothing more than last year's Taylor Mays.

SD:

Casey Mathews is the starting MLB for the Iggles, he was a fourth round investment and would have represented a legacy hit , considering we stood pat with Gocong of the lost , oft injuried Nyquil and Fujita fresh of season ending IR the point uu make on Mays is irrelevant , because , we still picked a safety , we didn't pick a linebacker in a position of need.

Mays was second round goods whose stories about steroids panned out to be true, while Mathews made game changing plays in the Oregon Auburn game producing a timely turnover which may have won the game same as his brothers herculean effort on a cracked shin led the Pack over the inbred.

That whole damn family plays ball including Bruce Mathews their uncle who was an All Pro lineman for damn near 20 years.

For him to be starting on a team littered with pro bowl talent further highlights a flat out miss on the part of Heckert.

SoulDawg74 wrote:Yeah I like Jordan Cameron , but the play of the second day draft was Casey Mathews now calling plays as a rookie starter in the heart of a perennial playoff contender at Philly.

He's got some making up to do , for me to cut him some slack on that one.

SoulDawg

Personally, I'm gonna wait until after some games have been played to stress about that one. Right now, Casey Matthews is nothing more than last year's Taylor Mays.

SD:

Casey Mathews is the starting MLB for the Iggles, he was a fourth round investment and would have represented a legacy hit , considering we stood pat with Gocong of the lost , oft injuried Nyquil and Fujita fresh of season ending IR the point uu make on Mays is irrelevant , because , we still picked a safety , we didn't pick a linebacker in a position of need.

Mays was second round goods whose stories about steroids panned out to be true, while Mathews made game changing plays in the Oregon Auburn game producing a timely turnover which may have won the game same as his brothers herculean effort on a cracked shin led the Pack over the inbred.

That whole damn family plays ball including Bruce Mathews their uncle who was an All Pro lineman for damn near 20 years.

For him to be starting on a team littered with pro bowl talent further highlights a flat out miss on the part of Heckert.SoulDawg

Steriods? LOL. Steriods have nothing to do with why Mays isnt a good NFL player. Lets try and remember that Clay Mathews was a 170lb walk on when he got to SC, and he left a 245lb 1st Round NFL Pick. The thing with you is not (just) that you are wrong so much, its that you come back more cock-sure than ever every goddamn time, its both annoying and highly entertaining depending on the day.

A little wait and see once in while would serve you well.

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SoulDawg74 wrote:Yeah I like Jordan Cameron , but the play of the second day draft was Casey Mathews now calling plays as a rookie starter in the heart of a perennial playoff contender at Philly.

He's got some making up to do , for me to cut him some slack on that one.

SoulDawg

Personally, I'm gonna wait until after some games have been played to stress about that one. Right now, Casey Matthews is nothing more than last year's Taylor Mays.

SD:

Casey Mathews is the starting MLB for the Iggles, he was a fourth round investment and would have represented a legacy hit , considering we stood pat with Gocong of the lost , oft injuried Nyquil and Fujita fresh of season ending IR the point uu make on Mays is irrelevant , because , we still picked a safety , we didn't pick a linebacker in a position of need.

Mays was second round goods whose stories about steroids panned out to be true, while Mathews made game changing plays in the Oregon Auburn game producing a timely turnover which may have won the game same as his brothers herculean effort on a cracked shin led the Pack over the inbred.

That whole damn family plays ball including Bruce Mathews their uncle who was an All Pro lineman for damn near 20 years.

For him to be starting on a team littered with pro bowl talent further highlights a flat out miss on the part of Heckert.SoulDawg

Steriods? LOL. Steriods have nothing to do with why Mays isnt a good NFL player. Lets try and remember that Clay Mathews was a 170lb walk on when he got to SC, and he left a 245lb 1st Round NFL Pick. The thing with you is not (just) that you are wrong so much, its that you come back more cock-sure than ever every goddamn time, its both annoying and highly entertaining depending on the day.

A little wait and see once in while would serve you well.

SD:

Yeah the dirty little secret when Cushing Mauluga Mathews and Mays came up in that draft was accusations of steroids .

Mathews gaining 75 lbs in five years was an after thought to the Adonis builds of Cushing and Mays who were real targets .

But just like the inbred doctors who have it down to a science growing guys in test tubes since 74 which led to four World Championships in a decade , who can check on kids that have access to free flowing exotic junk right across the border when there is no real incentive to test or expose your program .

Hell a kid can grow to those proportions just being exposed to College fresh air edumacation and our healthy diet and weight training .

Yeah buddy .

Nope Mays was the Courtney Brown of the draft , looked like Tarzan played like Jane , and I acknowledged to each and every one of you ignorant cocksuckers not that any one tries to remember that Heckert was right on Ward in by passing Mays .

Said it in real time after seeing Ward was for real in preseason , without waiting for the real game as Hiko wants to wait on Mathews to give him props .

But I also had company , as no less than Rod Woodson was also fooled by Mays having declared him a budding star in camp from his own personal observations , and I wasn't the GM who spent a second on the kid.

On Mathews the kid is a player said you have to look past his measurable and ID his ability and value to just make plays .

Taylor Mays was a top recruit coming out of highschool as well, again, Him not being a good NFL football player has DICK to do with Steriods, that just ridicuous. SC was bringing in Talent by the truckload, if all he ever did was look ripped he wouldn't have started there.

Its just that his game wasn't going to make it in the NFL. Some saw that, some didn't.

And you can stand by Mathews all you want, but come with a little more than the implication that Phily is stacked at LBer and his ascention amongst the leagues best there is proof positive of his arrival here in preseason week 1.

Especially when the facts are that Philiys Lbers are about as good as ours, and him starting MIGHT not be much more than being the smartest kid with down syndrome.

Or it might not. But jumping to 100 conclusions and being right on a couple isnt neccessarily the best approach nor does it allow for the kind of epic "I told you so" that you'd probably like to slap the board with after the Mays rehash.

Hell, from the plays that were run on Saturday it was very clear that the Browns will be running a two Tightend set that Holmgren seemed to love running in Green Bay.

They've got possibly one of the more solid Tightend groups in the AFC North, if not the best.

I see what the guys doing and I definitely trust in what Heckert is doing. His Track record as a gm and a person of talent evaluation is by far better than SD's by the amounts of miles from the Earth to Neptune.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Hell, from the plays that were run on Saturday it was very clear that the Browns will be running a two Tightend set that Holmgren seemed to love running in Green Bay.

They've got possibly one of the more solid Tightend groups in the AFC North, if not the best.

I see what the guys doing and I definitely trust in what Heckert is doing. His Track record as a gm and a person of talent evaluation is by far better than SD's by the amounts of miles from the Earth to Neptune.

SD:

Titus Brown is taking the sting out of totally neglecting the linebacker position in the draft .

have no problem with Cameron or Marecic , both will contribute , but we had tight ends at the time and Vickers , and after passing on Clay Mathews jr. to see him go mega superstar just invited bad Karma not to go with the legacy choice in Mathews at the time , IMO.

Thats just a personal pet peeve , because you can only pick one in that spot , But Mathews is the winning type player this team desperately needs , and all that crap about Nyquil Gocong and Fujita being one of the best units in football is just junk .

We couldn't fix everything in that one draft , but Heckert has too often chosen to run on bald tires when it comes to backers .

Mathews was somebody who could have anchored here for a decade making plays ,on a team who needs playmakers is all.

Won't effect the price of gas at the pump , nor make anybody else understand what they don't want to be objective about ., just expressed my thoughts on the subject , and I'm not looking for accord.

Your defense is defined by the men who police behind the D line, and a great 4-3 needs a stud MLB.

Millen Lambert Lanier Nitscke Butkus Lewis ...........etc etc etc

I want him next year , with our #1 if Colt is good enough to play us out of the Luck Barkley sweepstakes.

I didn't want to start a new thread for this. Was it just me or was last sunday (Bye Week) more enjoyable without having to endure an excruciating Browns game. I truly enjoy watching football that does not involve the Cleveland Browns. Had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

General wrote:I didn't want to start a new thread for this. Was it just me or was last sunday (Bye Week) more enjoyable without having to endure an excruciating Browns game. I truly enjoy watching football that does not involve the Cleveland Browns. Had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

Yeah, but try enduring local sports talk radio when there's nothing to discuss except Peyton Hillis' contract and how fast Marcus Benard was going.

General wrote:I didn't want to start a new thread for this. Was it just me or was last sunday (Bye Week) more enjoyable without having to endure an excruciating Browns game. I truly enjoy watching football that does not involve the Cleveland Browns. Had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

Yeah, but try enduring local sports talk radio when there's nothing to discuss except Peyton Hillis' contract and how fast Marcus Benard was going.

I truly am thankful for being so far away as it must be maddening. Sometimes even the repetitive stuff on the boards gets exasperating.