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I know it's not satellite but someone may want to enjoy this while it's available. I'm sure it will eventually be shut down.

Go to www.filmon.com You can download a program or just watch on your browser. With the browser you can watch live tv from Los Angeles. You get ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox. With the software you can watch additional channels (including soft core pron). You can also watch it with the Safari browser on an iPad or iPod Touch.

I know it's not satellite but someone may want to enjoy this while it's available. I'm sure it will eventually be shut down.

Go to www.filmon.com You can download a program or just watch on your browser. With the browser you can watch live tv from Los Angeles. You get ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox. With the software you can watch additional channels (including soft core pron). You can also watch it with the Safari browser on an iPad or iPod Touch.

Let me add that with the Ipod Touch, Iphone, & Ipad that you do not have to install any apps or download software nor do you have to register on their site. You just access the Filmon.com site from your devices web browser and you are up and running.

While this does appear to be a very handy product, I am still slightly leery as I do not see how this company is going to make a single penny.

They plan on making it a subscription-based site. Plus, it'll be shut-down eventually. Local affiliates have the rights to those networks, which is how they make money via commercials. Every market shows different commercials during local breaks, and these folks are breaking the law.

From a viewer standpoint, you aren't doing anything illegal, but they are.

They plan on making it a subscription-based site. Plus, it'll be shut-down eventually. Local affiliates have the rights to those networks, which is how they make money via commercials. Every market shows different commercials during local breaks, and these folks are breaking the law.

From a viewer standpoint, you aren't doing anything illegal, but they are.

I remember a service 10 years ago that streamed Buffalo locals for free. That's how I watched the "Music City Miracle" at work, which was an ISP.

That was "Icrave TV" and it was quickly shut down. Frankly I am surprised that Filmon and
Ivi TV are still streaming. I know they're suing but it seems like broadcasters would have at least asked for a temporary injunction by now.

That was "Icrave TV" and it was quickly shut down. Frankly I am surprised that Filmon and Ivi TV are still streaming. I know they're suing but it seems like broadcasters would have at least asked for a temporary injunction by now.

If Filmon is truly backed by someone with deep pockets and they found a loop hole in the law it could take some time to sort out. It should be interesting to see what happens.

There are 29 channels at last count including:
1. Ten L.A. networks and some other locals
2. Five international sports channels
3. Four music channels
6. Six news channels
7. Three movie and general entertainment channels
8. Two XXX channels

All the US networks have sued, but the off-shore owner supposedly has deep pockets and welcomes the legal challenge. Time will tell, but right now, the service is free. If it stays up, it's easily worth a $10/month subscription.

LA Times’ Joe Flint reported last night that Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a temporary restraining order against FilmOn.com PLCstopping its streaming of the major 4 OTA nets.

Interesting how many people complained about me asking about taking my legal D* IRD to Canada for several weeks in a different thread, saying the mods would shut the thread as it was illegal - yet this thread, which about a 110% illegal service remains open?!?!?

LA Times’ Joe Flint reported last night that Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a temporary restraining order against FilmOn.com PLCstopping its streaming of the major 4 OTA nets.

Interesting how many people complained about me asking about taking my legal D* IRD to Canada for several weeks in a different thread, saying the mods would shut the thread as it was illegal - yet this thread, which about a 110% illegal service remains open?!?!?

This is because it has already been determined by law, that watching DirecTV outside the US borders is illegal, whereas this site, although highly suspicious, has not yet been declared illegal. A "temporary restraining order" simply means that a definite decision has not yet been reached by the court.

Also, it is much easier for a site like DBStalk to determine DirecTV viewing in Canada, because there is a clear law, a clear TOS, and a clear border. Streaming sites pop up all over the place.... Justin.tv, UStream, you name it.

Hell, even Youtube contains pirated and copyrighted material.... it may just not have been found yet by those who look for it, or the copyright holder in question has not complained. That does not mean however we cannot discuss how to add Youtube to your HR24 by using a Media Server that is DLNA compatible.

In other words, there are clear, black and white issues - such as the DirecTV receiver in Canada, and "grey" areas, such as a great deal of the streaming sites that pop up here, and there.

LA Times’ Joe Flint reported last night that Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a temporary restraining order against FilmOn.com PLCstopping its streaming of the major 4 OTA nets.

Interesting how many people complained about me asking about taking my legal D* IRD to Canada for several weeks in a different thread, saying the mods would shut the thread as it was illegal - yet this thread, which about a 110% illegal service remains open?!?!?

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If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.

This is because it has already been determined by law, that watching DirecTV outside the US borders is illegal

That's where you are wrong. As stated on other threads, if this were the case, KVH TracVision, who work hand in hand with D*, would not show Directv's signal available outside CONUS.

It might in someway violate Directv's fine print, but it in no way is illegal for a US Resident to take his unit outside of the CONUS and use it - and as thus, is not illegal - nor has it been challenged in the courts by either Country.

That's where you are wrong. As stated on other threads, if this were the case, KVH TracVision, who work hand in hand with D*, would not show Directv's signal available outside CONUS.

It might in someway violate Directv's fine print, but it in no way is illegal for a US Resident to take his unit outside of the CONUS and use it - and as thus, is not illegal - nor has it been challenged in the courts by either Country.

You are absolutely correct. Despite what people continue to post, it is NOT illegal under U.S. law for people to receive the DirecTV signal outside the U.S. borders. It can be illegal under LOCAL law for people to do this - for example it's illegal in Canada under Canadian law, although I have yet to hear of the mounties arresting a U.S. RV owner for using his system while in Canada. Using a DirecTV receiver outside the U.S. is however against the Terms of Service that apply to your account. DirecTV has to incorporate this clause into the terms of service because DirecTV's license, and the agreements they have with copyright holders, only give DirecTv the right to deliver the service to subscribers within the USA. In theory, if DirecTV finds out you are using the system outside the USA, they could cancel your service. A similar situation applies to people who receive Canadian satellite signals in the USA. In this case it is NOT illegal under US law to receive the signals, but just as in the DirecTV case, it's a breach of the terms of service of the Canadian sat providers. This forum chooses not to allow discussion of issues relating to the receiving of DirecTV outside the USA because it is a breach of the Terms of Service and the forum wants to maintain good relations with DirecTV, it has NOTHING to do with it being legal.The receiving of DirecTV by RVs outside the USA is not allowed, it is just overlooked, because it would be somewhat unreasonable (and very difficult) to remove service from those people who are using it.

Actually, it is illegal to receive DirecTV broadcasts outside of the 50 states-but it's a violation of copyright law. The networks that DirecTV carries, as well as the content on DirecTV Cinema and the 101 Network, are licensed for viewing only within the United States. I'm sure there are other entities that hold the licenses to present the programs in Mexico and Canada, and by "importing" the DirecTV signal you are violating their rights. That's also the basis for the injunction and the impending lawsuit against FilmOn (to drag this thread back onto topic...)

DIRECTV employee April 2004-November 2012.
The above comments are my own because I don't know if anyone would care about my opinions anymore.

That's where you are wrong. As stated on other threads, if this were the case, KVH TracVision, who work hand in hand with D*, would not show Directv's signal available outside CONUS.

It might in someway violate Directv's fine print, but it in no way is illegal for a US Resident to take his unit outside of the CONUS and use it - and as thus, is not illegal - nor has it been challenged in the courts by either Country.

KVH's original thrust was in the maritime market.The footprint maps are primarily for determining marine use antennae size for offshore applications. This is "Open Water" areas are thus different rules.