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Comment on Who is Brian Jordan Bartels? by Rose http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2020/06/04/who-is-brian-jordan-bartels/comment-page-1/#comment-633788
Sun, 07 Jun 2020 00:56:57 +0000http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=23832#comment-633788I absolutely agree that a push to a civil/race war appears to be formulating. Fortunately, at least I hope, many people are seeing that more clearly now as well. what we disagree is over it being Trump’s agenda. I have been saying this for many years prior to Trump ever even running for office. Trump is a straight up businessman, not a politician by trade or career. He does not want to see the US in discord if solely on that alone. His businesses would suffer. And I do not think that is his only motivation. Despite the weaknesses that he has, and all of us do, he has helped many groups. Truly research, unbiased, if you have not already. You may completely disagree with some or all of his policies and that is ok too. I disagreed with most but not all of Obama’s. And I defended what I agreed with. But I did not, and still do not, accuse him of wanting to destroy America as so many others rant. I believe civil unrest in the US is desired by many who hate the US and who want to watch us struggle. But I watch ALL angles of the players both foreign and domestic, at least what I can find (which is far from all). Trump has been under attack beginning from his inauguration and before he did anything as President of the US. That won’t change until people actually really research and get all the facts for themselves, stop believing emotional hype, and then decide if you agree or disagree. What I am encouraged by though, and maybe I am naive, is that Americans are waking up in this tragic time to see something not organic has been taking place.
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Comment on Who is Brian Jordan Bartels? by steve http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2020/06/04/who-is-brian-jordan-bartels/comment-page-1/#comment-633787
Sat, 06 Jun 2020 22:09:39 +0000http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=23832#comment-633787Dear Rose, thank you. I agree with many of your points, but I think you’re profoundly wrong when you say, “I respectfully disagree [trump] is formulating any such civil war.” I am hardly alone in thinking that a civil war, or at least mass civil unrest, is exactly what he wants. Some time ago, he spoke of it, and he said (I paraphrase) “I have the gun owners and the cops on my side.” Why would he say something like that if he wasn’t contemplating armed conflict here in America?
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Comment on Who is Brian Jordan Bartels? by Rose http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2020/06/04/who-is-brian-jordan-bartels/comment-page-1/#comment-633782
Fri, 05 Jun 2020 02:52:58 +0000http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=23832#comment-633782I also wanted to add that the “white supremacy” members arrested were from “The Base.” I doubt they have cards either. Unfortunately, there are people that are fascists but most Americans, IMO, would identify as antifacists. So I think we are on the same page. The term preceded Trump and I respectfully disagree he is formulating any such civil war. Check out Berkeley protests alone. And there are more. What started as a righteous movement from Antifa many years ago, there are very extreme, violent, anarchist behavior that now has resulted. It was attack on a right-wing speaker. Not cool to shut down freedom of speech. In college many many years ago, I heard speakers on campus on both extremes. Fortunately for that opportunity, I was able to determine I did not agree with the conservative social ideas of some and did not agree with some socialist ideas of the other. While more liberal younger, I maintain my same socially liberal or more so libertarian views (let people be, equality of marriage, religious views, pro-choice, etc). I believe we are all capable of learning and deciding on our own. To shut that possibility off by violently shutting down speakers because you oppose their view is ironically fascism in itself. And it was done in the name of “antifascism.”
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Comment on Who is Brian Jordan Bartels? by Rose http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2020/06/04/who-is-brian-jordan-bartels/comment-page-1/#comment-633781
Fri, 05 Jun 2020 02:25:30 +0000http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=23832#comment-633781With all due respect, check out Atlanta Antifacist (they also go by Atlanta Antifa and claim to be an organization). When receiving info years and years ago by them, we looked in to it bc it seemed like cause to get behind. After researching, we felt it not the group to join. Not because of the standing up against white supremacists, a cause we completely support, but the manner of action and other beliefs in the antifa “organization.” I have not had any interaction with ATL Antifa since the mailing of pamphlets. The idea was enticing initially but no thank you now. I have been a republican (more accurately conservative libertarian) and did not agree on targeting/bullying some innocents because they were conservative as Antifa is notoriously doing. Atl Antifa may or may not be now. But many others definitively are. I am also not for violence. So it ended there.
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Comment on Who is Brian Jordan Bartels? by steve http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2020/06/04/who-is-brian-jordan-bartels/comment-page-1/#comment-633780
Fri, 05 Jun 2020 01:38:34 +0000http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=23832#comment-633780Dear Rose, nobody carries an “antifa” membership card. There is no website, no formal organization. A lot of Americans hate fascism, including me. A lot of Americans fight against fascism, including me. But I would never describe myself as “antifa.” It’s a stupid, made-up word that’s being exploited by trump in order to foment a civil war he thinks he’ll win. So why get so hung up on a designation? Choose your side, and fight accordingly. Thank you.
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