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I am going go try to find out information from 2004, 2003, and I believe 2002.....but I just am not sure about Topica forums and if I can get it out of there ok.......

The basic premise seems to be that the course get's its most work before either this event or the former Lance Stanton Doubles event that was last played in 2006.....I may revisit that event this fall......

8/5/2003In advance of the Cliff Drive III event taking place on August 31, a CysticFibrosis Lance Stanton who helped with this course passed from last August(Ahereditary disease of the exocrine glands, usually developing during earlychildhood and affecting mainly the pancreas, respiratory system, and sweatglands. It is characterized by the production of abnormally viscous mucus bythe affected glands, usually resulting in chronic respiratory infections andimpaired pancreatic function. Also called mucoviscidosis.)and the Cliff DriveCorridor Management Committee fund raising event, I am planning on havingworkdays at the Park from ~9-~2. We will be getting rid of the honeysuckle,and other growth to clean the fairways. The bulk of the work has been donein the past by countless hours of volunteer efforts from the likes of most ofyou. I will continue this tradition. I am going to try to get baskets outthere each week, to play at least 9 holes. Probably do it on the front 9nine this weekend, then the back nine, then maybe a practice event for myBirthday on 8-22, or the 23rd. Heading into the following weekend of theevent.

Weed eaters, gloves, rakes, shovels, pickup trucks, and trash bags are goingto be the biggest items needed. Lawn mowers in some of the areas might notbe a bad idea as well. The area has not really been touched much this summerbecause of the am worlds. I have not been out there since early July. Trashon the old roads were present again, but not as prevalent as in years past.Maybe, just maybe, we can turn the corner here finally.

Baskets are in the hands of the Parks Dept at this point. I am not sure ifthey ahve been ordered, but I know that we are very close to getting themhere, and having at least baskets and tee signs installed. This course willgo through some changes, but should play similar to years past.

If you can help out, please let me know. We will take care of food and somebeverages after we are done, but most importantly, as we prepare new chaptersin the disc golf scene here in town, you will be one of the few to take someownership in the newest course in KC.

You do want to help, and I need it! Please let me know if you can come, Iwill spring for some donuts for that early morning energy. The busiest partis of course the cleanup of years of neglect, so please bring gloves, andtrash bags. We can abuse my turck to load the trash. We pulled out over 50bags in January this year, I plan on getting out at least double that overthe next few weeks, plus working on a few new hole ideas that Jamie Barrydiscovered and we started on.

8/26/02Cliff Drive II--Can you cllimb it? jlow-@att.net Aug 26, 2002 08:11 PDT Coming up this Sunday, following the Oz Tour stop atRosedale that is a Cali Tournament on Saturday, show upthere you can shoot your best scoring round ever atRosedale, is Cliff Drive II.

I have some favors to ask of people this week, and Ireally need it. I need to have people announce at theleagues about this event, if someone could hand outflyers as well, that would be great. My wife'sgrandfather passed away yesterday, and I will be headingto Oklahoma more than likely on Wednesday-Saturday.

This tournament is going to be a good one, not like theyare not all, but here is some of the prizes that will beincluded throughout the day:Chiefs Tickets for 2-CTP second Round at the Lance Shot(Thanks Pete Cashen for tickets!)Wizards Tickets for 4-CTP during the first round LanceShot (Thanks to Mark Morales for the tickets)Dinner for 2 at Outback Steakhouse-TBD (thanks MarkSheffield Proprietor Outback Steakhouse Chouteau and I-35)2-Sprint BagsRocks again this year for 1-2-3I am working to see if River Market will donatesomething as well.

I could use more items to give away, as the premise ofthis event is to promote the course. If you havesomething to donate, please let me know. I want to makesure you are recognized for helping this event.

We will be starting an award this year as well, theLounging Lance Award. The person who wins the event isgoing to have their name on a plague that will be achair in Lance's honor. Last year he spent the entireday spotting for us in his lounger drinking and helpingout. We will miss that terribly, but do have somespotters to still look after #7. We could use maybe oneor two more people if interested.

I plan on getting out there and setting up ~7:30 onSunday. I need to get about 4 baskets, and could usesome help. If you are an early riser and have the time,I will bring donuts to set up our area. Players meetingwill be at 9:45 ish.

If you need more information, please do not hesitate tocall. Leave a message on my cell, as while I’m in OK, Iam not sure where I will be or how the service is. Ifyou do plan on donating items, please let me know sothat I may include my gratitude in the Program for theevent.

This is a fund raising event, so any money that is overthe cost of the event is going to be put into a fund toshow the community we mean business, and we want to helpwith the park.

Mark Morales, Kurt Miller and myself worked very hardthis weekend to clean up some of the trouble spots. Idon't want to say it to loud, but I think that someoneelse has been out there, it looked like there was lesstrash on hole #10 than when I looked there a couple ofweeks ago. Thanks for helping out. The only spots leftreally are some trash left on #10, the old road area,and up around #16, where it will take a while to cleanup all the trash. We did manage to pull out about 15bags of trash this weekend collectively, a small dent,but it is a start, once the course is in, or the ok todo it, we will be able to really focus more on thetrouble spots and return this fine piece of land to itsoriginal state.

I could use a chainsaw for about 3 trees from the IceStorm if anyone has one, they are dead, and need to beremoved, but we could not pull them out so…... ThanksPete for your weedeater, with that baby humming, wecleared out a lot of the area. I did clean out more on#7 to the left, it is still tricky, but the fairway islarger this year, just getting down the hill still isTRICKY.

I look forward to seeing you all there. It takes 3teams to create a division. Masters groups, all membersof your team need to 40 this year or the David TullRule, if everyone is ok with the partner not being 40,but awful close, then we let you run with it.

I know it is long winded, but hey, I am full of hot air,and gosh darnit you guys forced me into the position!!8^)

Looking forward to seeing you out there, the course willbe great, and I would appreciate all of you working ongetting this announcement out to the leagues this week.There will probably be people that show up withoutpartners, we will match you up when you get there.Please come and play the course, even if you do notcompete in the event, come on out and check out theland, play behind some groups, help spot while waiting,just come and help us show the community that we canmake this part of the park clean and fun to use.

I am out here crying for help, and not crying WOLF, this needs to be done.We will again have a work day on the Cliff Drive course this Saturday from 9-2. We are having the Cliff Drive Doubles (III) a benefit for Cystic Fibrosis(Lance Stanton Doubles-LSDII) on Sunday August 31. This course has fundingavailable, and it is only a matter of time before the baskets are to beinstalled. I need your help to clean up the areas that we want to use, andto make the course initially playable.Over the last week, House, Mike Penney and myself have put in close to 50hours of work. We have been out there on Wed, Fri, Sat, Mon, and will be outthere again this Saturday. I need your help. I need a few chainsaws, 1 isfine, in all honesty, just one that will get some of the bigger branches thatneed pruning, as Pete's pole saw is good on some smaller ones, but man wehave some big branches out there.We knocked back holes #5-6 last week, removed about 3-homeless folks livingroom in the brush, and made it hard for them to find another place on theplateau to use. We hope to continue to find these areas and eliminatetheir "homes". Our goals this week are simple, continue to take out theHoneysuckle that has over grown the entire area, and give us back the land tomake beautiful holes. We will be hitting the Cliff Shot, #7, the trees at#14 & #15, should be brushed back in slightly, and then the big push on hole#10, and #11. They are the old roadway area that we want to take theovergrowth all the way back to the cliffs and remove all the brush to theWest for now, and eventually move it out on the East. This is primarily forhole #10 initially, where on #11, we want to head to the South tree line toget the area there cleaner for us to use.What we need are more bodies, a few weedeaters, rakes, trash cans, and handsto help move things. We need more help is really what we need. The homelessperson that actually talked to us, could not believe what kind of mark wemade with all the hand tools last weekend, and I expect it to be no differentthis weekend.I do not plan on being out there too late, as I want to head to IA to see abuddy that has testicular Cancer, just found out last night. I am heading toColumbus OH tomorrow AM, and will be back on Friday night late. If you couldplease announce this at WW, and WyCo League, I would appreciate it.This is an exciting time for disc golf. This is an awesome time to help getsomething new moving. I might bring a few baskets out to play after wecomplete the workday as well, so you can enjoy some of your hard work.

I am still looking for sponsors on the Cliff Drive Event, so please directpeople with items to donate as prizes to me. Once again this is a charityevent, and we want to give a ton of prizes away.

The Cliff Drive course is located just north of Independence Ave and Prospectin Kessler Park (Cliff Drive). We will be in the park, but if we are at hole#10, it will be hard to see us from the road. If you do not see us outthere, please call my PCS #.

I need your help to make this course on par with the rest of KC's fine discgolf courses, please come help me and the few other brave soles try to changethe land from litter-prone homeless land, to great disc throwing country likethe rest of KC!!

1970 for Jack8-22-75 for the Dickster (Dick Parker)Possible having a BBQ Singles event on Saturday at Cliff Drive for Dick andMyself. It will be a fun deal for the most part, Dick is working on someprizes for the event, the $5, will probably just cover beer and food. BagTag challenges would be sincerely warranted. More to follow!

That is the story that I am sticking to. Dick and I have decided to have abirthday party at Cliff Drive on Saturday. We really could use yourbaskets! The plan is if we only have 9, to play 9, cook up lunch, then playanother 9. If we have 18, the plan will be play 18, then head on over to myhouse for some drinking. We may have beer at the park as well, have not yetdecided.

This is for $5/man, of which $1 to the club, the remaining will pay for thefood and sodas and the work that Dick and I will have to do on our birthday.We will be having Burgers, and Brats. We plan on starting by 11:00, so bethere then. If we are having a blast, we may play 2 rounds, but Dick mighthave to work, so.....we may do it as a second round, since this is more of afun time, it will not be a real tightly ran event. I have no plans on prizesor anything like that, just more of a fun day at a new park.

I was stranded in Chicago last weekend, and unfortunately missed the help ofthe workday, which really stinks, because it sounds like we a tremendousturnout of people. Some reports were even in that Mark Morales and DirkHacker were spotted on the course doing, get this, WORK!

It sounded like a good group of guys out there: From my memory, and realizeit is bad, so please step up and be recognized for your efforts:Kurt MillerMike PenneyMark MoralesSteve HoogWard BlankenshipTerry AdamsDick ParkerDirk HackerTJ Ring!

Were the names that I heard initially. I also heard that there were like 10people, so I am sure to be missing those people. I want to thank you somuch, because this is my backyard essentially. This will become my place tocall home. I will be out there this week on Monday, Wednesday and Fridaydoing work as well. Friday is my birthday, and in years past, I would havebeen drinking up on the moment, now I want to complete the vision of anothergreat disc golf course to add to KC. Your guys help means so much to me!

So with that in mind, please plan on making a trip to the course onSaturday. If you can make it early, great, if you have a basket, and canleave it for the day, I will keep it in my garage and then break it back outon the following Sunday for the doubles event. That would be awesome, havingthe baskets all ready to go prior to the event, you just show up and play!!

We will be playing 1-9 fwd, then Bkwd, break for lunch, BBQ Burgers, Brats,Beer, then while I either cook in the heat, or move the baskets while someoneelse cooks, we will be playing the back 9 fwd, then bkwd.$5- to cover costs, I guess I will have to add an ace fund $1 in theresomehow, if no ace, we will give it to the CF or Cliff Drive folks thefollowing week.

Please tell people about this event. I am not sure if I will make it out toany more leagues this week, I want to work on the course to get it ready. Iwent yesterday to the Historical Archives of the P&R, and found a fewinteresting trails along Cliff where hole #16 crosses the road. There usedto be a good flat walking area up there called Prospect Point. I amconfident that we can put a good hole in there. There was also a trail thatused to go down the area that we were working on last year to develop a new#15, so that could be in the making as well.

This will be a fun day of disc to get prepared for the Cliff Drive Doubles.Help you and your partner learn the course!

We will be trying to start at 11. I plan on being out at the course the nextfew nights working on it. This is a great way to say Happy Birthday to me aswell! (Cheap gift as well, only $5 maybe $6 to say Yeah I was at Jack's B-day!)

Let me make this a little clearer, it is only $5, if you plan on eating andplaying. the $5 is basically to cover food and beer costs, if you just wantto show up later on and play, feel free to do so. the $5 is for the food andbeer of Fat Tire or Loft that I bring out to enjoy!

Over the last few days, many people have been hard at work to get the course in the ground. We now have baskets in 14 settings, holes 1-6, 12-18 and the round nine are in the ground, the holes 7-11 are still under construction, though some people have adopted the holes, Jamie Barry has made hole #7 a much better place to play disc golf right now, and we need more support of people like Jamie to get the rest of the area done. I will try to get out there either later tonight, or tomorrow to spot up the teeing areas, it will be either white or orange fence posts in the ground for the moment. We are planning on having workdays on Friday and Saturday, to do more weed wacking around the areas of the basket and fairways of 7-11 and dead limb and brush removal.

It has taken a long time to get to this point, and now that baskets are there for good, the real work starts. We need to take this park and make it a cleaner, more fun place to incorporate our game and have a blast doing it. The tract of land tha tthe city has generously allowed us to put our game on is great, and I encourage each of you disc golfers to come out and visit the newest park for disc golf. Holes 7-11 are under construction, and should be taken very cautiously initially, I would say that it is currently under construction, and not open, as we do not have the baskets installed yet, but with a little help, and some elbow grease from many it should come together fast.

I am heading out hte door for work today, I am hopeful that some of you will be able to help. I konw that MOrales wanted to do a glow event out there tonight after WW league, but I am not sure if that will happen. I will try to be out at WW as well, and then Cliff Drive is less than 8 minutes from WW, so if we get anxious to see the nes course, then hey maybe we will.

There are more and more people to thank that I am sure that I am missing I am sure. But for those of you that have helped in the past, please come on out and play a round. We hope to play a round Saturday afternoon at 3:00 as a practice round for the Birthday round on Sunday for Dick and Myself (Yes Jeff Campbell it is MY B-DAY!) So the birthday bash is on for Sunday August 22 for those of you that need to mark my B-day! (Selfish plug, but hey what can I say!) Be there no later than 9 for registration, as we plan to get started ~ 9:30.

I will be working on the course the next few days. Heading out there today from 12-4, and tomorrow from 10-3, possibly Friday afternoon as well.I will be working on #13, #14, and possibly #6.We willbe having the Lion's Den Event (Birthday Bash for Dick and Jack, and all other Leo's on Saturday, sponsored by New Belgium Brewery. $10 for the food, beer, and soda's, and casual round, then an additional $10 for custrom discs Roc/Aviar, or $12 for a Pro-line Starfire sponsored by Koi Discs.Round starts at 10ish for morning, then we typically play a doubles round in the afternoon.If you can come out to help let me know.We will also be hosting the Lance Stanton Doubles Event on Sunday September 4(Sunday of Labor Day Weekend-No work Monday for many!), A PDGA XC Tier, bring your own Partner.Entry Fees-$20/person-Open$10/Person-All other DivisionsAdd-$5/person non-PDGA member$3/person Ace Fund$2/person non-KCFDC MemberRound 1-Best Shot-Tee Off-10:30Round 2-666 formatHoles 1-6 Best ShotHoles 7-12 Alternate ShotHoles 13-18 Best ScoreIf no Aces hit CTP at end of second round for 1/2. This has historically been a fund raiser for Cystic Fibrosis, but I have dropped the ball in getting additional sponsors, so it will probably be limited in prizes this year, I will see if I can get Chief Tickets as we have always had, but have little time to get things together at this point. If interested in helping out with the event, pleae let me know.Thanks,Jack

By 2006 it appears as though everything was moving forward on the web, though Topica remained in effect until 2008 really with information. This is about all I can find in a quick glance. I did put some other Cliff Drive information, and the Lance Stanton Doubles event, which unfortunately the LDO has really taking more energy and grown in that vain. But I know that Lance would like it. The one thing that I did read that I may work on is that there was a plan to have a chair in honor of Lance with the names of the winners of his event since he spotted from his chair and drank all day while watching us play. That could be the throne of the Lion, and is something that we may see soon enough out there!

What history would you like Glover? I have given countless notifications over the years of the park. In fact in most of the programs there was more information about the park than there was about disc golf. I did so much historical research that the P&R have actually used my programs in the archival process to find information about the park......

Initially used as a dumping ground for the dead prior to 1865 from the plagueCity bought it in late 1890's then George Kessler started to work on the park, it became a pride of his, and the city....People used to walk down the paths to the working area (east bottoms now) and stop and get water from the natural springs.....

What more do you want to know? Afterall I thought that since this was the Disc Golf Forum that information about the disc golf course was more important than a history about the park...but maybe I should retitle the thread, "Lion's Den Over the years, except for Glover, who missed what the history of the park was in history class!"