Police presence increased in Culcheth following spike in criminal activity

CHESHIRE Police has increased its presence in Culcheth after a family was assaulted at their home.

It comes after a group of travellers moved into the village on Wednesday night.

Officers say a couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday, Thursday, between 6.30pm and 7.30pm.

It is understood that they did not require hospital treatment but have been left shaken by the assault.

It has also been reported that a 16-year-old boy was threatened and a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.

Enquiries have been ongoing in a bid to trace those responsible and officers seized a red car on Warrington Road today, Friday, which is believed to have been involved in the incidents.

Inspector Chris Adkins, who is responsible for policing in the Culcheth area, said: “We are taking these incidents seriously and I would like to reassure the local community that all steps are being taken to identify and apprehend those responsible.

“There is an increased police presence in the area to provide reassurance to residents and this will continue into the weekend as we progress with our enquiries.

Comments (86)

Can someone let PageA know that this story's on here so that she can blame the Culcheth residents for being at home at the time of the attack or to suggest that it was because the family didnt offer them a cup of tea or a bin bag?

Can someone let PageA know that this story's on here so that she can blame the Culcheth residents for being at home at the time of the attack or to suggest that it was because the family didnt offer them a cup of tea or a bin bag?HappyMisery

HappyMisery wrote:
Can someone let PageA know that this story's on here so that she can blame the Culcheth residents for being at home at the time of the attack or to suggest that it was because the family didnt offer them a cup of tea or a bin bag?

Well said ! They are just horrible traveling rats! That scurry around causing trouble and playing the minority card when ever challenged .

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
Can someone let PageA know that this story's on here so that she can blame the Culcheth residents for being at home at the time of the attack or to suggest that it was because the family didnt offer them a cup of tea or a bin bag?[/p][/quote]Well said ! They are just horrible traveling rats! That scurry around causing trouble and playing the minority card when ever challenged .Daz@SankeyviaOrford

You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoesPageA

No PageA, you're not. You're making insinuations that the residents are culpable for their behaviour by not making the effort or being "the bigger man" and embrace them. You've done it two or three times now and its tiresome. Repetitive posts, almost telling people how to live. Deny it if you want, but if your intention was not to give that impression, then you need to review your communication.

No PageA, you're not. You're making insinuations that the residents are culpable for their behaviour by not making the effort or being "the bigger man" and embrace them. You've done it two or three times now and its tiresome. Repetitive posts, almost telling people how to live. Deny it if you want, but if your intention was not to give that impression, then you need to review your communication.HappyMisery

It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekend

It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekendPageA

Quote from the above report " before moving to land on Warrington Road in Culcheth.
Police say the land is privately owned and its owners are working to resolve the issue with the police. "
A good resolution is to get some friends with tractors and park up next to the caravans, revving their engines all night.

Quote from the above report " before moving to land on Warrington Road in Culcheth.
Police say the land is privately owned and its owners are working to resolve the issue with the police. "
A good resolution is to get some friends with tractors and park up next to the caravans, revving their engines all night.Knowmenot

PageA wrote:
It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekend

Cracking love it ! Just because I agree with someone else's point does not make them friends . Sometimes I agree with what you say although I can't remember the last time I did. Do gooders can be tiresome but occasionally have a good point . That is how I categorize you. Wow it's dizzy up here :) ha ha

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekend[/p][/quote]Cracking love it ! Just because I agree with someone else's point does not make them friends . Sometimes I agree with what you say although I can't remember the last time I did. Do gooders can be tiresome but occasionally have a good point . That is how I categorize you. Wow it's dizzy up here :) ha haDaz@SankeyviaOrford

PageA wrote:
It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekend

Cracking love it ! Just because I agree with someone else's point does not make them friends . Sometimes I agree with what you say although I can't remember the last time I did. Do gooders can be tiresome but occasionally have a good point . That is how I categorize you. Wow it's dizzy up here :) ha ha

If i'm annoying you button, I know I'm doing something right. Thank you

[quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
It's tiresome? Then why did you ask for me to be called here? You see your new friend Daz..the one who takes pride in his journey from Orford to the dizzy heights of Sankey. It's men like him that make men like them very wary of men like you. And I don't blame them. Anyhow, you enjoy your weekend[/p][/quote]Cracking love it ! Just because I agree with someone else's point does not make them friends . Sometimes I agree with what you say although I can't remember the last time I did. Do gooders can be tiresome but occasionally have a good point . That is how I categorize you. Wow it's dizzy up here :) ha ha[/p][/quote]If i'm annoying you button, I know I'm doing something right. Thank youPageA

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp

I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !!

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp
I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !!Reader

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp

I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !!

Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this forever

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp
I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !![/p][/quote]Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this foreverPageA

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.HappyMisery

Well if you had shown the Anti fracking Warrington campaigners some support We would have come and cleared up for you when they'd moved We'll leave you to it Other villages have asked for our help so we're a tad stretched at Upton, Crawberry Hill and West Newton Sorry :~
But after reading some of your contents tut tut ladies and gentlemen with these new privacy laws those types of comments could be seen as evolking domestic terrorism and you would be in big trouble!
Travellers are part if our culture Treat them as human beings and they may treat your community with the respect you show them They maybe a little un tidy but there are people who would quite happily tidy any mess up if it allows these people to live with some respect
Bit of humanity please :)

Well if you had shown the Anti fracking Warrington campaigners some support We would have come and cleared up for you when they'd moved We'll leave you to it Other villages have asked for our help so we're a tad stretched at Upton, Crawberry Hill and West Newton Sorry :~
But after reading some of your contents tut tut ladies and gentlemen with these new privacy laws those types of comments could be seen as evolking domestic terrorism and you would be in big trouble!
Travellers are part if our culture Treat them as human beings and they may treat your community with the respect you show them They maybe a little un tidy but there are people who would quite happily tidy any mess up if it allows these people to live with some respect
Bit of humanity please :)garywar50

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp

I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !!

Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this forever

No I don't condone anyone parking their cars next to the travelers vans and reving their engines all night if that's the harassment you are referring to. I read it as sort of tongue in cheek comment to be honest but if they did mean it I doubt their cars would last very long before getting a few modifications in return.

You say if 'society' treats them like a boil on the a*** they might as well behave like one but then again if they behaved better in the first place 'society' might not have the view it does in some cases.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp
I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !![/p][/quote]Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this forever[/p][/quote]Thanks for your reply PageA. I AM paying attention and I am bright too.
No I don't condone anyone parking their cars next to the travelers vans and reving their engines all night if that's the harassment you are referring to. I read it as sort of tongue in cheek comment to be honest but if they did mean it I doubt their cars would last very long before getting a few modifications in return.
You say if 'society' treats them like a boil on the a*** they might as well behave like one but then again if they behaved better in the first place 'society' might not have the view it does in some cases.Reader

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.PageA

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp

I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !!

Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this forever

No I don't condone anyone parking their cars next to the travelers vans and reving their engines all night if that's the harassment you are referring to. I read it as sort of tongue in cheek comment to be honest but if they did mean it I doubt their cars would last very long before getting a few modifications in return.

You say if 'society' treats them like a boil on the a*** they might as well behave like one but then again if they behaved better in the first place 'society' might not have the view it does in some cases.

No it isnt tongue in cheek it's incitement and it's an everyday occurrence to many travellers, as is much worse.
Maybe you're right reader, so what should we do? wait for them to see sense? Was that how the peace process in Northern Ireland came together?

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]Page A... maybe you should take your rose coloured spectacles and blinkers off and read the news story again !!! Let me help you a bit.
1 ) A couple and their son were left traumatised after they were attacked by a man yesterday.
2) a 16-year-old boy threatened
3) a small quantity of beer was stolen from a shop.
4) a number of reports of criminal activity involving a group of men in a red BMW car since a group of travellers set up at camp
I'm sure there are probably a lot of other incidents too so are you saying this sort of behaviour by travellers like these ones is OK and should be tolerated? I certainly don't think so and it's NOT persecution or disrespect towards all travelers on my part but these sorts who just descend on an area causing trouble, stealing, making huge messes and having NO RESPECT OR REGARD AT ALL for anyone else or anything do not deserve the smallest amount of respect and understanding in return at all. THEY choose their lifestyle and how they live it and behave !![/p][/quote]Yep, you're another one who isn't paying attention. There's a man on here condoning harassment of families in the early morning and you dont seem to have a problem with it. i'l say it again for those of you who aint that bright. I'm not condoning any bad behaviour on any side. I'm saying it's understandable that if society treats you like a boil on the a*** you might start to behave like a boil on the a***. Are we just going to carry on like this forever[/p][/quote]Thanks for your reply PageA. I AM paying attention and I am bright too.
No I don't condone anyone parking their cars next to the travelers vans and reving their engines all night if that's the harassment you are referring to. I read it as sort of tongue in cheek comment to be honest but if they did mean it I doubt their cars would last very long before getting a few modifications in return.
You say if 'society' treats them like a boil on the a*** they might as well behave like one but then again if they behaved better in the first place 'society' might not have the view it does in some cases.[/p][/quote]No it isnt tongue in cheek it's incitement and it's an everyday occurrence to many travellers, as is much worse.
Maybe you're right reader, so what should we do? wait for them to see sense? Was that how the peace process in Northern Ireland came together?PageA

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Warrington..where objecting to ethnic groups being likened to vermin and opposing harassment of women and children by vigilantes gets your attitude called "so elite".. You stay classy Culcheth

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Warrington..where objecting to ethnic groups being likened to vermin and opposing harassment of women and children by vigilantes gets your attitude called "so elite".. You stay classy CulchethPageA

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.fedster

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.PageA

I've said what I think about the ones in Culceth PageA and others like them and I'm certainly not getting drawn into a big argument about it and I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about Nothern Ireland either.
Not all travelers are bad people but the ones who are have a knock on effect on the others who then get tarred with the same brush sometimes even though they try to be better people and don't actually cause any trouble. The problem is that when they arrive you never know which ones you are getting !!

I've said what I think about the ones in Culceth PageA and others like them and I'm certainly not getting drawn into a big argument about it and I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about Nothern Ireland either.
Not all travelers are bad people but the ones who are have a knock on effect on the others who then get tarred with the same brush sometimes even though they try to be better people and don't actually cause any trouble. The problem is that when they arrive you never know which ones you are getting !!Reader

Reader wrote:
I've said what I think about the ones in Culceth PageA and others like them and I'm certainly not getting drawn into a big argument about it and I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about Nothern Ireland either.
Not all travelers are bad people but the ones who are have a knock on effect on the others who then get tarred with the same brush sometimes even though they try to be better people and don't actually cause any trouble. The problem is that when they arrive you never know which ones you are getting !!

it was more a comment about conflict resolution Reader than anything else. Not sure it's about good or bad people and that's a bit patronising don't you think. i dont tar someone with the same brush because I had a bad experience with someone from the same ethnicity because that's..wrong.

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I've said what I think about the ones in Culceth PageA and others like them and I'm certainly not getting drawn into a big argument about it and I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about Nothern Ireland either.
Not all travelers are bad people but the ones who are have a knock on effect on the others who then get tarred with the same brush sometimes even though they try to be better people and don't actually cause any trouble. The problem is that when they arrive you never know which ones you are getting !![/p][/quote]it was more a comment about conflict resolution Reader than anything else. Not sure it's about good or bad people and that's a bit patronising don't you think. i dont tar someone with the same brush because I had a bad experience with someone from the same ethnicity because that's..wrong.PageA

I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.

These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.

Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.

Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like "lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.

I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.
These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.
Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.
Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like "lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.SickAndTired2

If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.local man

local man wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.

[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.[/p][/quote]That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.

These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.

Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.

Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like &quot;lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.

What's the matter with you all? Getting all upset when you're asked to see another side to a problem and think about a solution beyond stand up fights and mouthing off about vermin in the local press. They're not invading sick and tired, they're travelling through..that's what they do... and their name is the clue. I've encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used

[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.
These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.
Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.
Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like "lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.[/p][/quote]What's the matter with you all? Getting all upset when you're asked to see another side to a problem and think about a solution beyond stand up fights and mouthing off about vermin in the local press. They're not invading sick and tired, they're travelling through..that's what they do... and their name is the clue. I've encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I usedPageA

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)

the minority make the reputation worse for the others.

And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong

this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.

look at it another way

my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.

Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches

immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration

and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.

no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.[/p][/quote]theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)
the minority make the reputation worse for the others.
And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong
this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.
look at it another way
my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.
Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches
immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration
and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.
no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.fedster

local man wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.

Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.[/p][/quote]That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.[/p][/quote]Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.HappyMisery

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.

Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.[/p][/quote]So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.
Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.HappyMisery

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)

the minority make the reputation worse for the others.

And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong

this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.

look at it another way

my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.

Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches

immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration

and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.

no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.

Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused

[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.[/p][/quote]theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)
the minority make the reputation worse for the others.
And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong
this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.
look at it another way
my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.
Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches
immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration
and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.
no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.[/p][/quote]Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confusedPageA

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.

Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.

Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.[/p][/quote]So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.
Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.[/p][/quote]Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to mePageA

local man wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.

Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.

What’s meant by race?

The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:

colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy Misery

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.[/p][/quote]That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.[/p][/quote]Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.[/p][/quote]What’s meant by race?
The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.
It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:
colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy MiseryPageA

local man wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.

Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.

What’s meant by race?

The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:

colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy Misery

Okay I'll concede that by the definition given, that they are an ethnic group protected by race discrimination laws, however, that particular comment would not apply under these circumstances because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article and therefore is not a racist slur.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.[/p][/quote]That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.[/p][/quote]Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.[/p][/quote]What’s meant by race?
The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.
It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:
colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy Misery[/p][/quote]Okay I'll concede that by the definition given, that they are an ethnic group protected by race discrimination laws, however, that particular comment would not apply under these circumstances because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article and therefore is not a racist slur.HappyMisery

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.

Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.

Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me

Google "Godwins Law".

Congratulations, you lost the internet.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.[/p][/quote]So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.
Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.[/p][/quote]Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me[/p][/quote]Google "Godwins Law".
Congratulations, you lost the internet.HappyMisery

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.

Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.

Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me

Google &quot;Godwins Law".

Congratulations, you lost the internet.

Overuled.
'The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as racial superiority'

Google 'Less Than Human': The Psychology Of Cruelty and see yourself.

Here's a bit for you and your pals..

'During the Holocaust, Nazis referred to Jews as rats. Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches. Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals. In Less Than Human, David Livingstone Smith argues that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty and genocide.

"We all know, despite what we see in the movies," Smith tells NPR's Neal Conan, "that it's very difficult, psychologically, to kill another human being up close and in cold blood, or to inflict atrocities on them." So, when it does happen, it can be helpful to understand what it is that allows human beings "to overcome the very deep and natural inhibitions they have against treating other people like game animals or vermin or dangerous predators."

"When people dehumanize others, they actually conceive of them as subhuman creatures," says Smith. Only then can the process "liberate aggression and exclude the target of aggression from the moral community."

When the Nazis described Jews as Untermenschen, or subhumans, they didn't mean it metaphorically, says Smith. "They didn't mean they were like subhumans. They meant they were literally subhuman."

Human beings have long conceived of the universe as a hierarchy of value, says Smith, with God at the top and inert matter at the bottom, and everything else in between. That model of the universe "doesn't make scientific sense," says Smith, but "nonetheless, for some reason, we continue to conceive of the universe in that fashion, and we relegate nonhuman creatures to a lower position" on the scale.

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.[/p][/quote]So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.
Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.[/p][/quote]Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me[/p][/quote]Google "Godwins Law".
Congratulations, you lost the internet.[/p][/quote]Overuled.
'The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as racial superiority'
Google 'Less Than Human': The Psychology Of Cruelty and see yourself.
Here's a bit for you and your pals..
'During the Holocaust, Nazis referred to Jews as rats. Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches. Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals. In Less Than Human, David Livingstone Smith argues that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty and genocide.
"We all know, despite what we see in the movies," Smith tells NPR's Neal Conan, "that it's very difficult, psychologically, to kill another human being up close and in cold blood, or to inflict atrocities on them." So, when it does happen, it can be helpful to understand what it is that allows human beings "to overcome the very deep and natural inhibitions they have against treating other people like game animals or vermin or dangerous predators."
"When people dehumanize others, they actually conceive of them as subhuman creatures," says Smith. Only then can the process "liberate aggression and exclude the target of aggression from the moral community."
When the Nazis described Jews as Untermenschen, or subhumans, they didn't mean it metaphorically, says Smith. "They didn't mean they were like subhumans. They meant they were literally subhuman."
Human beings have long conceived of the universe as a hierarchy of value, says Smith, with God at the top and inert matter at the bottom, and everything else in between. That model of the universe "doesn't make scientific sense," says Smith, but "nonetheless, for some reason, we continue to conceive of the universe in that fashion, and we relegate nonhuman creatures to a lower position" on the scale.PageA

local man wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.

That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.

Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.

What’s meant by race?

The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:

colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy Misery

Okay I'll concede that by the definition given, that they are an ethnic group protected by race discrimination laws, however, that particular comment would not apply under these circumstances because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article and therefore is not a racist slur.

Also..regardless of who did what. How does your statement below stack up with our criminal justice system? Or does that not apply to Travellers in Culceth? Do you get to choose who is guilty and who is innocent? You know about Godwins Law..what do you know about Libel?

'because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article'

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
If only PageA would show the way and invite the travelers to stay on his drive, he could show them friendship and empathy, let them look at his lovely belongings and flat screen tv to show what they could have if they settled down and worked hard.
And they realisation might dawn when they left abruptly and he no longer had the possessions - but had traded them for a smashed door, a filthy mattress and a load of garbage.[/p][/quote]That's a racist slur. Not a good starting point for any kind of solution and reaffirms every point i have raised. I use my drive everyday, I wouldn't invite you to sleep on it either, doesn't make me like you any more or any less.[/p][/quote]Gypsys are not a race, they are an ethnic group which means that its not a racist slur. All members of the group are caucasian which IS a race.[/p][/quote]What’s meant by race?
The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.
It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:
colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.
Roma, Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are now all recognised to have protection under the Race Relations Act as they have been finally recognised as minority ethnic communities in law.
CRE says discrimination against Gypsies and Travellers is the last 'respectable' form of racism. Tell it to the judge Happy Misery[/p][/quote]Okay I'll concede that by the definition given, that they are an ethnic group protected by race discrimination laws, however, that particular comment would not apply under these circumstances because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article and therefore is not a racist slur.[/p][/quote]Also..regardless of who did what. How does your statement below stack up with our criminal justice system? Or does that not apply to Travellers in Culceth? Do you get to choose who is guilty and who is innocent? You know about Godwins Law..what do you know about Libel?
'because its a statement of fact based on evidence presented. This particular group have been identified as thieves, by the police after investigation, as detailed in the article'PageA

I'll leave you to it now Happy Misery and wish you all the best.
Unfortunately, in a story that you are the leading man somebody identified an ethnic group as a subhuman species and another member of the conversation suggested terrorising them in their beds which you thought was amusing. When David Livingstone Smith says that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty he could be referring to this conversation right here right now. You criticised me for my reaction and a large group of Warringtonian's agreed with you..and disagreed with me. That's fine, In this town I'm used to it. I hope your situation is resolved soon.

I'll leave you to it now Happy Misery and wish you all the best.
Unfortunately, in a story that you are the leading man somebody identified an ethnic group as a subhuman species and another member of the conversation suggested terrorising them in their beds which you thought was amusing. When David Livingstone Smith says that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty he could be referring to this conversation right here right now. You criticised me for my reaction and a large group of Warringtonian's agreed with you..and disagreed with me. That's fine, In this town I'm used to it. I hope your situation is resolved soon.PageA

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)

the minority make the reputation worse for the others.

And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong

this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.

look at it another way

my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.

Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches

immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration

and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.

no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.

Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused

so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.[/p][/quote]theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)
the minority make the reputation worse for the others.
And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong
this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.
look at it another way
my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.
Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches
immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration
and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.
no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.[/p][/quote]Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused[/p][/quote]so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?fedster

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)

the minority make the reputation worse for the others.

And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong

this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.

look at it another way

my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.

Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches

immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration

and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.

no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.

Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused

so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?

Just because some tv is called 'reality'..doesn't mean it is 'reality' Fedster.

[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.[/p][/quote]theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)
the minority make the reputation worse for the others.
And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong
this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.
look at it another way
my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.
Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches
immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration
and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.
no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.[/p][/quote]Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused[/p][/quote]so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?[/p][/quote]Just because some tv is called 'reality'..doesn't mean it is 'reality' Fedster.PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.

These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.

Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.

Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like &quot;lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.

What's the matter with you all? Getting all upset when you're asked to see another side to a problem and think about a solution beyond stand up fights and mouthing off about vermin in the local press. They're not invading sick and tired, they're travelling through..that's what they do... and their name is the clue. I've encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used

Who is getting upset? You might like to think you have any kind of emotional affect but you couldn't be more wrong.There is nothing progressive about you PageA, you simply like to troll and deliberately misrepresent people's comments to further your own holier than thou agenda, as if you are somehow vastly more morally evolved than everyone else.

Secondly No where have I suggested violence as a solution.

You seem to have some sort of delusion that these 'travellers' have turned up like some idyllic benevolent group in brightly coloured horse drawn caravans from some bygone age when in fact they arrived en masse with caravans pulled by mercs and 4x4s filling up most of the village green and turning violent towards people trying to block them from trespassing. They have then proceeded to to rob, burgle and abuse villagers ever since. I should know, I live here.

So, I'll say it again. Come down and extend this hand of friendship and espouse this 'revolutionary' approach to these friendly 'travellers' that you are so keen to espouse. Somehow though I feel you'll be far more comfortable heckling people from the safety of the moral high ground sat behind your pc.

I suggest rather than trying to educate those who have evolved far enough to make a positive contribution to their community you go and educate the group of outsiders that see such places as theirs to come and cause mayhem.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I love the way PageA can sit behind her keyboard pontificating ankh up equality and somehow reaching out and making friends with these travellers and pouring scorn on anyone who dares make any kind of a slur against them.
These are people who turned up in Culcheth with the intent of terrorising decent law abiding, tax paying citizens a day have spent the last 48 hours, burgling, robbing, assaulting and generally being foul and abusive.
Why don't you get from behind that keyboard and put your efforts into extending this hand of friendship you seem so keen to do. Let's see how far it gets you with this group of human vermin. Yes vermin. I said it, because no decent human being or group would invade a village like this with the pure intent to cause as much trouble as possible.
Clearly PageA you have not suffered first hand the problems experienced here to be spouting such self righteous nonsense. There is no reasoning with these people, particularly those who come out with comments like "lovely village here, I'm going to s*** all over it tonight". Would you extend the hand of friendship to someone like that? No. You'd get punched in the face and robbed you deluded, niave little fool.[/p][/quote]What's the matter with you all? Getting all upset when you're asked to see another side to a problem and think about a solution beyond stand up fights and mouthing off about vermin in the local press. They're not invading sick and tired, they're travelling through..that's what they do... and their name is the clue. I've encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used[/p][/quote]Who is getting upset? You might like to think you have any kind of emotional affect but you couldn't be more wrong.There is nothing progressive about you PageA, you simply like to troll and deliberately misrepresent people's comments to further your own holier than thou agenda, as if you are somehow vastly more morally evolved than everyone else.
Secondly No where have I suggested violence as a solution.
You seem to have some sort of delusion that these 'travellers' have turned up like some idyllic benevolent group in brightly coloured horse drawn caravans from some bygone age when in fact they arrived en masse with caravans pulled by mercs and 4x4s filling up most of the village green and turning violent towards people trying to block them from trespassing. They have then proceeded to to rob, burgle and abuse villagers ever since. I should know, I live here.
So, I'll say it again. Come down and extend this hand of friendship and espouse this 'revolutionary' approach to these friendly 'travellers' that you are so keen to espouse. Somehow though I feel you'll be far more comfortable heckling people from the safety of the moral high ground sat behind your pc.
I suggest rather than trying to educate those who have evolved far enough to make a positive contribution to their community you go and educate the group of outsiders that see such places as theirs to come and cause mayhem.SickAndTired2

PageA wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?

What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.

I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.

Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.

So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.

Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.

Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me

PageA I am no nazi or vigilante , where the hell you have got that from. Because I have once refered to these traveling friends of yours as rats. Does not make me a nazi . Where in any of my comments suggested being a vigilante . You are just a sick shxt stirring keyboard warrior that picks up and twists peoples comments to suit you torrent of crap !

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
These vans that you and your new mates are planning to terrorise tonight Happy Misery..do they have children in them? or are they rats too Daz from Orford?[/p][/quote]What ARE you talking about? I haven't even mentioned vans, let alone terrorise them.
I've seen you do this with other people. You goad them into a pointless argument using idiotic logic and them beat them over the head with a half page ramble about nothing, to prove how much you stand above everyone else in society because your attitude is so elite. You accuse everyone else of being narrow minded or bigoted, yet point blank refuse to visit another stance, other to your own. The real irony is that the valid points that you raise are lost on most because of your pious quest to point out the shortcomings of others. It's sad really.[/p][/quote]Caravans..I'm asking if there are women in children in those caravans. There's someone on here who is supporting you suggesting that you and your friends go round and terrorise the travellers through the night. Would you like to take this opportunity to tell him that's the wrong thing to do? I'm not on any quest. The people who get my attention are those who refer to other human beings like something they've just trodden in. Name me another ethnic group that you could call 'rats' and get away with it in 2014? Yet you say nothing. People on here are a disgrace and it doesnt take much to come across as being pious on this forum.[/p][/quote]So someone writes something which opposes your view and so it's automatically my view? I didnt respond to him because I didnt agree and although you do feel the need to espouse a view on everyone elses comments, I dont feel the need to do so.
Given that you spout so much about not tarring all people with the same brush, perhaps you should take a leaf from your own hypocritical views and advice? Oh and its very easy to come across as pious when every view and comment IS pious.[/p][/quote]Not sure i follow all of this but it's ok. You were happy to have a Nazi and a vigilante as friends is how it comes across to me[/p][/quote]PageA I am no nazi or vigilante , where the hell you have got that from. Because I have once refered to these traveling friends of yours as rats. Does not make me a nazi . Where in any of my comments suggested being a vigilante . You are just a sick shxt stirring keyboard warrior that picks up and twists peoples comments to suit you torrent of crap !Daz@SankeyviaOrford

PageA wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes

empathy works both ways page

Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.

House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.

theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)

the minority make the reputation worse for the others.

And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong

this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.

look at it another way

my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.

Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches

immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration

and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.

no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.

Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused

so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?

Just because some tv is called 'reality'..doesn't mean it is 'reality' Fedster.

still didnt answer my question page

right or left is that the only option ?

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
You're misrepresenting me. I have never blamed the culcheth residents for anything. What I read here backs up what I said, it's complete breakdown. I'm asking if there's a new way forward rather than this persecution, disrespect and standoff between us that we've had for centuries. Maybe try to walk a mile in the other man's shoes...and if things get no better..at least you'll have his shoes[/p][/quote]empathy works both ways page
Maybe they should walk a mile in the shoes of someone who has worked through life to build the home they have.[/p][/quote]House value is 100% what this is all about Fedster. I didnt want to say it, but I'm glad you did.[/p][/quote]theres plenty of gypsy about ranging from all around the world.
the majority do stay at (proper travelers sites)
the minority make the reputation worse for the others.
And it only going to get worse until someone teaches them right from wrong
this is nothing to do with persecution some of these small groups live to scam thieve and assault.
its a big reputation to them, the tv and media doesn't help with show like my big fat gypsy wedding when you see the true colors of them amongst themselves let alone anyone who is not part of the clan.
look at it another way
my big fat gypsies (what ever think there has been 3 different series of that) 100k on weddings (not a single Full time worker amongst the group) id love to be able to pull 10k out for a wedding and it wernt just one it was a season of them.
Benefit street
working people see the lowest form of scrounger and therefore start to label all those that have to sign on or claim some benefits as leeches
immigration street (coming to a tv set near you next season)
i can only imagine how much anger this will pile on to the already anger issues with migration
and half a dozen others inc Jeremy kyle give the general population something to aim there anger at.
no wonder people are starting to stand up and rant, and why not they have that freedom to do so in a humane manner. more so when they are angry due to assault theft or damage to property.[/p][/quote]Ok lets look at it this way..over here (on the left) we have a TV show planned filmed and edited by people making entertainment (not real life) and over here (on the right) we have real life..(not paid for by executives trying to sell advertising space on the back of controversy). One is real and one isn't real. Important for all of us that we dont get those two things confused[/p][/quote]so your either left or right ? No other way hey ?[/p][/quote]Just because some tv is called 'reality'..doesn't mean it is 'reality' Fedster.[/p][/quote]still didnt answer my question page
right or left is that the only option ?fedster

I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.SickAndTired2

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.

That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.
That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.SickAndTired2

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.

That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.

Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you

[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.
That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.[/p][/quote]Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to youPageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.

That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.

Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you

It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.

I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?

People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.

I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.

Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.
That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.[/p][/quote]Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you[/p][/quote]It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.
I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?
People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.
I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.
Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.SickAndTired2

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.

That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.

Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you

It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.

I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?

People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.

I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.

Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.

I've never said that anyone is blameless and I haven't condoned any of the incidents that you have mentioned. I've commented upon the man who took it upon himself to stop them getting onto the site, the man that called them rats and the man who suggested terrorising them in the middle of the night. Shame you have to resort to insults, it appears to me that you turn aggressive when people see things differently to yourself. I'm sure that travellers meet aggressive and insulting people like you every day of their lives. If this is how you address me, someone who is only suggesting that their might be another side to this coin, I shudder to think how you would treat them and the effect that must have on their perception of society. The only suggestion I made was to try a different approach. The response I got was 'sod em!' How's that working out for you?

[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.
That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.[/p][/quote]Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you[/p][/quote]It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.
I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?
People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.
I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.
Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.[/p][/quote]I've never said that anyone is blameless and I haven't condoned any of the incidents that you have mentioned. I've commented upon the man who took it upon himself to stop them getting onto the site, the man that called them rats and the man who suggested terrorising them in the middle of the night. Shame you have to resort to insults, it appears to me that you turn aggressive when people see things differently to yourself. I'm sure that travellers meet aggressive and insulting people like you every day of their lives. If this is how you address me, someone who is only suggesting that their might be another side to this coin, I shudder to think how you would treat them and the effect that must have on their perception of society. The only suggestion I made was to try a different approach. The response I got was 'sod em!' How's that working out for you?PageA

SickAndTired2 wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.

May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.

I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.

From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.

That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.

Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you

It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.

I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?

People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.

I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.

Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.

I've never said that anyone is blameless and I haven't condoned any of the incidents that you have mentioned. I've commented upon the man who took it upon himself to stop them getting onto the site, the man that called them rats and the man who suggested terrorising them in the middle of the night. Shame you have to resort to insults, it appears to me that you turn aggressive when people see things differently to yourself. I'm sure that travellers meet aggressive and insulting people like you every day of their lives. If this is how you address me, someone who is only suggesting that their might be another side to this coin, I shudder to think how you would treat them and the effect that must have on their perception of society. The only suggestion I made was to try a different approach. The response I got was 'sod em!' How's that working out for you?

You're deliberately trolling. Suggesting ONLY the other side of this supposed coin while completely failing to acknowledge what is actually going on and continuing to blame the actions of local residents, based upon 1 person's comment as to how he dealt with the issue.

I personally have steered well clear of them. Despite your one eyed opinion of my character, based purely on a handful of comments on this thread, you couldn't be further from the truth. I simply have very little tolerance of your 'opinion' on this matter when it is quite clear you are more intent on defending the 'honour' of the travellers, despite the mountain of evidence which points to them coming to Culcheth with the intent of causing trouble unprovoked.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote:
I'd like to make a public apology to PageA and admit I was totally wrong about these lovely temporary neighbours of ours. Today they turned up in droves to the Noggin pub and extended their own hand of friendship by kindly trashing the place, causing trauma to the locals and extensive damage to the pub.
May we be thankful to have had such a positive and beneficial experience from our benevolent travelling friends.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology. I pulled out of this conversation because I didn't think it would do anyone any good to keep the argument going. I hope that you and the Warrington Guardian haven't inflamed the situation leaving the management and staff at the Noggin to pick up the pieces. Why would anyone extend a hand of friendship to you after all the things you've said on here? I'll say it again, this needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]From this reply, I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling or are actually stark raving bonkers.
That you actually could possibly try and blame this story and the comments of others for inciting the travelers at the Noggin to commit violence is breathtakingly stupid.[/p][/quote]Ok, if it makes you feel better. I'll state for the record that ever since they arrived.. when Happy Misery took the opportunity to make a one-man road block to stop them accessing the green...following being called subhuman and threatened with vigilante action in the middle of the night..everything has gone smoothly in the village of Culcheth. Nothing you have done has had any effect on the behaviour of these travellers and nothing about the way they have been treated for the duration of their lives has had any effect on their behaviour. They're just bad uns simple as and nothing we can do will ever change anything. Pubs like the Noggin are destined to be ransacked forever. Hope that makes more sense to you[/p][/quote]It's clear to see that you are retarded. So hell bent are you with your apologist stance toward the travellers. Making and making them out to be completely blameless while continuing to make out that the reception they received by the residents of Culcheth for somehow provoking them, painting them our to be the cause of all the problems! Even bringing my actions, not that I have even taken any into it.
I wonder if if the poor man out walking his dogs, who was threatened by a car full of them last night is to blame too?
People like you PageA live in a parallel universe to the rest of normal society and only see a distorted vision of the truth which suits their own warped agenda.
I'm actually astounded at the depths you've dropped to defend this group of people while simultaneously pouring scorn over any local residents who have been a victim of their vile behaviour, as if the people of Culcheth have somehow caused this.
Perhaps if you spent less time behind the keyboard spouting verbal diarrhea and more time in the real world you wouldn't be so delusional. But somehow it doubt it.[/p][/quote]I've never said that anyone is blameless and I haven't condoned any of the incidents that you have mentioned. I've commented upon the man who took it upon himself to stop them getting onto the site, the man that called them rats and the man who suggested terrorising them in the middle of the night. Shame you have to resort to insults, it appears to me that you turn aggressive when people see things differently to yourself. I'm sure that travellers meet aggressive and insulting people like you every day of their lives. If this is how you address me, someone who is only suggesting that their might be another side to this coin, I shudder to think how you would treat them and the effect that must have on their perception of society. The only suggestion I made was to try a different approach. The response I got was 'sod em!' How's that working out for you?[/p][/quote]You're deliberately trolling. Suggesting ONLY the other side of this supposed coin while completely failing to acknowledge what is actually going on and continuing to blame the actions of local residents, based upon 1 person's comment as to how he dealt with the issue.
I personally have steered well clear of them. Despite your one eyed opinion of my character, based purely on a handful of comments on this thread, you couldn't be further from the truth. I simply have very little tolerance of your 'opinion' on this matter when it is quite clear you are more intent on defending the 'honour' of the travellers, despite the mountain of evidence which points to them coming to Culcheth with the intent of causing trouble unprovoked.SickAndTired2

I'm unsure why my viewpoint is being disregarded as trolling. From what I can see your opinion is being well represented, I'm just offering a different perspective. I don't understand why that has to be so difficult for you to consider, even if you disagree. Calling someone a retarded troll just so you can speak without challenge doesn't seem cricket to me. -I'm not trying to defend anyone's honour and I haven't justified any behaviour.

I'm unsure why my viewpoint is being disregarded as trolling. From what I can see your opinion is being well represented, I'm just offering a different perspective. I don't understand why that has to be so difficult for you to consider, even if you disagree. Calling someone a retarded troll just so you can speak without challenge doesn't seem cricket to me. -I'm not trying to defend anyone's honour and I haven't justified any behaviour.PageA

Its largely academic for this particular group any way now as the police have served a section 61 notice. Seems that this group entered the Noggin Inn yesterday afternoon and when one of the younger members were asked for ID at the bar, they started smashing up the pub. This led to evacuation of other patrons, 6 police response vehicles and the pub closing at their busiest time of the week. Seems that these travellers erode the credibility of any argument to support their presence more and more with each passing hour.

Its largely academic for this particular group any way now as the police have served a section 61 notice. Seems that this group entered the Noggin Inn yesterday afternoon and when one of the younger members were asked for ID at the bar, they started smashing up the pub. This led to evacuation of other patrons, 6 police response vehicles and the pub closing at their busiest time of the week. Seems that these travellers erode the credibility of any argument to support their presence more and more with each passing hour.HappyMisery

Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?Uncoded

Uncoded wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.

[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?[/p][/quote]They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.HappyMisery

Uncoded wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.

Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?[/p][/quote]They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.[/p][/quote]Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.Uncoded

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.gazhopley

Uncoded wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.

Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.

Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.

This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.

Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.

[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?[/p][/quote]They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.[/p][/quote]Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.[/p][/quote]Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.
This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.
Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.HappyMisery

Uncoded wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.

Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.

Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.

This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.

Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.

Stories? I have read the article, and it doesn't mention who is responsible for the 'spike in criminal activity'.
So there is no evidence that the 'spike' is due to travellers.
I have read an unsubstantiated claim that there is CCTV that definitively proves it is travellers. Other than that I don't know what other stories may have answered my question.

[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?[/p][/quote]They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.[/p][/quote]Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.[/p][/quote]Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.
This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.
Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.[/p][/quote]Stories? I have read the article, and it doesn't mention who is responsible for the 'spike in criminal activity'.
So there is no evidence that the 'spike' is due to travellers.
I have read an unsubstantiated claim that there is CCTV that definitively proves it is travellers. Other than that I don't know what other stories may have answered my question.Uncoded

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.

Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.

[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.[/p][/quote]Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.PageA

Uncoded wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?

They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.

Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.

Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.

This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.

Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.

Stories? I have read the article, and it doesn't mention who is responsible for the 'spike in criminal activity'.
So there is no evidence that the 'spike' is due to travellers.
I have read an unsubstantiated claim that there is CCTV that definitively proves it is travellers. Other than that I don't know what other stories may have answered my question.

What constitutes a 'spike' in Culcheth? Why use the word 'spike' and not 'rise' or 'increase'? I think this journalist thinks they're Jeremy Clarkson.

[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
Is there any evidence that the travelling folk are responsible for this 'spike in crime'?
Could it be that local hooligans have seen this as an opportunity to misbehave, knowing their antics would be blamed on others?
Has this been considered by people on here?[/p][/quote]They've been observed by police as well as CCTV.[/p][/quote]Is that true, or have you made that up?
If the police have observed the crimes, they should surely arrest the culprits at the scene.
Does the CCTV clearly identify them as travellers?
I don't understand how the travelling people can be causing so much trouble if they are being so closely watched.[/p][/quote]Its quite common for the police to video and record individuals during events like Wednesday night and then when the emotions are lower, they then take the action. This is probably how they have secured the Section 61 notice.
This course of action was popular during the London Riots. If you've a problem with this technique, you need to take it up with Cheshire Police.
Also, if you'd bothered to read the actually stories, you'd see that the answers to your question of whether these were local hooligans has already been answered.[/p][/quote]Stories? I have read the article, and it doesn't mention who is responsible for the 'spike in criminal activity'.
So there is no evidence that the 'spike' is due to travellers.
I have read an unsubstantiated claim that there is CCTV that definitively proves it is travellers. Other than that I don't know what other stories may have answered my question.[/p][/quote]What constitutes a 'spike' in Culcheth? Why use the word 'spike' and not 'rise' or 'increase'? I think this journalist thinks they're Jeremy Clarkson.PageA

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.

Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.

These comments are held as permanent record in the warrington guardian database, it was also a perfectly valid question which you did indeed deflect a simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, yet you brand me as part of a bunch of nutters. What does that say about your "human behaviour"?
Personally I find ALL comments from both sides perfectly in-line with modern human behaviour.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.[/p][/quote]Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.[/p][/quote]These comments are held as permanent record in the warrington guardian database, it was also a perfectly valid question which you did indeed deflect a simple "yes" or "no" would have sufficed, yet you brand me as part of a bunch of nutters. What does that say about your "human behaviour"?
Personally I find ALL comments from both sides perfectly in-line with modern human behaviour.gazhopley

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

No PageA I wasn't 'medicating' although I'm not entirely sure why you asked that anyway. Mine was a simple question to you because you had previously said in the past that you had QUOTE PAGEA "encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used" END QUOTE.
That in conjunction with ALL your other comments and the fact that you seem to think you know a lot about then made me wonder if you had taken the same proactive approach with this group of travelers too or if perhaps you work in the field of 'Gyspy Roma/Traveller' support.
That way all

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]No PageA I wasn't 'medicating' although I'm not entirely sure why you asked that anyway. Mine was a simple question to you because you had previously said in the past that you had QUOTE PAGEA "encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used" END QUOTE.
That in conjunction with ALL your other comments and the fact that you seem to think you know a lot about then made me wonder if you had taken the same proactive approach with this group of travelers too or if perhaps you work in the field of 'Gyspy Roma/Traveller' support.
That way allReader

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.

Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.

Thanks you PageA... I presume I am included in what you now call a 'bunch of nutters' or 'loons'. I hadn't read this reply before I just replied to your other comment about me 'medicating'. That dig didn't bother me but to be honest I'm now starting to find you rather rude and it seems to me that you much prefer to incite an argument rather than to have a grown up and civilised discussion. No problem as long as it's keeping you happy though and I can sense you probably get a buzz out of it. Have a nice day :D

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.[/p][/quote]Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.[/p][/quote]Thanks you PageA... I presume I am included in what you now call a 'bunch of nutters' or 'loons'. I hadn't read this reply before I just replied to your other comment about me 'medicating'. That dig didn't bother me but to be honest I'm now starting to find you rather rude and it seems to me that you much prefer to incite an argument rather than to have a grown up and civilised discussion. No problem as long as it's keeping you happy though and I can sense you probably get a buzz out of it. Have a nice day :DReader

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

No PageA I wasn't 'medicating' although I'm not entirely sure why you asked that anyway. Mine was a simple question to you because you had previously said in the past that you had QUOTE PAGEA &quot;encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used" END QUOTE.
That in conjunction with ALL your other comments and the fact that you seem to think you know a lot about then made me wonder if you had taken the same proactive approach with this group of travelers too or if perhaps you work in the field of 'Gyspy Roma/Traveller' support.
That way all

No, i was just polite and friendly and that's what I got back from them. You commented that their behaviour was getting worse and asked/suggested if/that I was informing them of what was being said leading to a worsening of behaviour. A ridiculous question/statement from a person who refuses to even consider that maybe you didn't get off to the best start with these travellers when a group of you decided to stop them from pulling in off the road and tried to send them back from whence they came.

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]No PageA I wasn't 'medicating' although I'm not entirely sure why you asked that anyway. Mine was a simple question to you because you had previously said in the past that you had QUOTE PAGEA "encountered travellers many times and more often than not found them to be decent and respectful people. What I did was a bit revolutionary though, I don't think you're ready for the progressive type of approach that I used" END QUOTE.
That in conjunction with ALL your other comments and the fact that you seem to think you know a lot about then made me wonder if you had taken the same proactive approach with this group of travelers too or if perhaps you work in the field of 'Gyspy Roma/Traveller' support.
That way all[/p][/quote]No, i was just polite and friendly and that's what I got back from them. You commented that their behaviour was getting worse and asked/suggested if/that I was informing them of what was being said leading to a worsening of behaviour. A ridiculous question/statement from a person who refuses to even consider that maybe you didn't get off to the best start with these travellers when a group of you decided to stop them from pulling in off the road and tried to send them back from whence they came.PageA

Reader wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?

Er...Are you medicating right now?

thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.

Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.

Thanks you PageA... I presume I am included in what you now call a 'bunch of nutters' or 'loons'. I hadn't read this reply before I just replied to your other comment about me 'medicating'. That dig didn't bother me but to be honest I'm now starting to find you rather rude and it seems to me that you much prefer to incite an argument rather than to have a grown up and civilised discussion. No problem as long as it's keeping you happy though and I can sense you probably get a buzz out of it. Have a nice day :D

I dont get a buzz out of any of this, Reader. Maybe you could go back to the previous story and see where I came in. I think many of us have encountered travellers in the past..that doesnt mean that we keep them informed of conversations that take place on local newspaper forums. I thought that was a daft thing to suggest and at a time when things had started to get more physical i found it an unwelcome attempt to associate me with violence and disorder. I was asking if you were..."off your head" suggesting such a thing and when Gaz suggested that I was avoiding your ridiculous question (when really i was just disregarding it as nonsense) I came to the opinion that you were..indeed..a bunch of loons

[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Reader[/bold] wrote:
I wonder if the travelers who are causing all the trouble are reading this or if messages are being passed on to them as they do seem to be getting worse. Are you in contact with them PageA ?[/p][/quote]Er...Are you medicating right now?[/p][/quote]thats a deflection, for the record can you answer the question please.[/p][/quote]Ha! for the whatnow!?! For the record..you're all a bunch of nutters. No I'm not in f****** contact with them I'm just making comment about human behaviour. You really all are a bunch of loons. If I was one of those travellers I think i'd get out of there asap.[/p][/quote]Thanks you PageA... I presume I am included in what you now call a 'bunch of nutters' or 'loons'. I hadn't read this reply before I just replied to your other comment about me 'medicating'. That dig didn't bother me but to be honest I'm now starting to find you rather rude and it seems to me that you much prefer to incite an argument rather than to have a grown up and civilised discussion. No problem as long as it's keeping you happy though and I can sense you probably get a buzz out of it. Have a nice day :D[/p][/quote]I dont get a buzz out of any of this, Reader. Maybe you could go back to the previous story and see where I came in. I think many of us have encountered travellers in the past..that doesnt mean that we keep them informed of conversations that take place on local newspaper forums. I thought that was a daft thing to suggest and at a time when things had started to get more physical i found it an unwelcome attempt to associate me with violence and disorder. I was asking if you were..."off your head" suggesting such a thing and when Gaz suggested that I was avoiding your ridiculous question (when really i was just disregarding it as nonsense) I came to the opinion that you were..indeed..a bunch of loonsPageA

realistic southstander wrote:
Parasites on society. Think they can do what they like. About time they were made to conform like the rest of us.

When we needed a bigger man...we got a bitter man

[quote][p][bold]realistic southstander[/bold] wrote:
Parasites on society. Think they can do what they like. About time they were made to conform like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]When we needed a bigger man...we got a bitter manPageA

So basically PageA your last two replies to me are just to say that I am indeed a 'loon', I am 'off my head' (persumably you mean on drugs after your medicating comment) and all I do is ask you ridiculous questions which you ignore as nonsense. Well you are the one constantly spouting on about the other side of things so why can't we ask questions or have our say too ?
I did NOT say were YOU passing on messages to them I said I'd wondered if they were reading (maybe they have wi-fi and check up on the situation where they are.. I don't know) or maybe they have SOMEONE somewhere who passing messages/info on. My second question was separate and merely asking if you were in contact/worked with travelers in the community ie the ones that DO actually live here or pass through quietly.
Anyway the Culcheth lot have now gone having been escorted out of town yesterday by a convoy of police cars and a police helicopter I believe. Not to worry there's another news story for you now as a new lot have made camp at Woolston (Is that 3 lots in the past week now ?)
Have a nice day...

So basically PageA your last two replies to me are just to say that I am indeed a 'loon', I am 'off my head' (persumably you mean on drugs after your medicating comment) and all I do is ask you ridiculous questions which you ignore as nonsense. Well you are the one constantly spouting on about the other side of things so why can't we ask questions or have our say too ?
I did NOT say were YOU passing on messages to them I said I'd wondered if they were reading (maybe they have wi-fi and check up on the situation where they are.. I don't know) or maybe they have SOMEONE somewhere who passing messages/info on. My second question was separate and merely asking if you were in contact/worked with travelers in the community ie the ones that DO actually live here or pass through quietly.
Anyway the Culcheth lot have now gone having been escorted out of town yesterday by a convoy of police cars and a police helicopter I believe. Not to worry there's another news story for you now as a new lot have made camp at Woolston (Is that 3 lots in the past week now ?)
Have a nice day...Reader

There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.

There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.ExRatRacer

ExRatRacer wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.

PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.

[quote][p][bold]ExRatRacer[/bold] wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.[/p][/quote]PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.PageA

ExRatRacer wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.

PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.

Sorry, quick question. could it be a possibility that the fact that "many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal." led to the prejudice and not the other way round.
we have evolved as a species but not as much as people think, to me (my opinion) this is less to do with respect and more to do with territory and dominance. it is that which reflects our human nature.
and finally and happily I wont be going to heaven or meeting st. peter as I am an atheist.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ExRatRacer[/bold] wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.[/p][/quote]PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.[/p][/quote]Sorry, quick question. could it be a possibility that the fact that "many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal." led to the prejudice and not the other way round.
we have evolved as a species but not as much as people think, to me (my opinion) this is less to do with respect and more to do with territory and dominance. it is that which reflects our human nature.
and finally and happily I wont be going to heaven or meeting st. peter as I am an atheist.gazhopley

People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)#scarlet pimpernel#

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.Uncoded

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

When you consider The Noggin had to close because of the damage the so called travellers had done and as reported in the arrington Guardian n arrest were made...some statistics have a way of hiding the real truth. Also many complints were ade of the noise at night and ealry hours of the morning by *traavellers1 riding their mopeds up and odn the field causng many residents to have a diurbed sleepa nd feel intimidated, my elerderly parents 84 and 86 being some of those reisdents! These so called" travellers" were also throwing stones at passin vehicles on Warrington Road. Again no mention in press or arrests! I am of the opinon the Police used a soft glove approach as to not upset the "tavellers" There is one law to those travellin criminals and one for other members of society! I have met real travellers and spoke with them they were polite and law abiding, but those in Culcheth had no regard for the local cmmunity nor fo upholding the law of the land. Many years ago my brother was fined £5 forr dropin liter, yet these criminals who spent time in Culcheth have been allowed to get away with their crime no wonder this crowd of morons will cause havoc again knowing they will be allowed to get away with their crimes. Whats the point of reporting crimes when Police dont act!

[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.
When you consider The Noggin had to close because of the damage the so called travellers had done and as reported in the arrington Guardian n arrest were made...some statistics have a way of hiding the real truth. Also many complints were ade of the noise at night and ealry hours of the morning by *traavellers1 riding their mopeds up and odn the field causng many residents to have a diurbed sleepa nd feel intimidated, my elerderly parents 84 and 86 being some of those reisdents! These so called" travellers" were also throwing stones at passin vehicles on Warrington Road. Again no mention in press or arrests! I am of the opinon the Police used a soft glove approach as to not upset the "tavellers" There is one law to those travellin criminals and one for other members of society! I have met real travellers and spoke with them they were polite and law abiding, but those in Culcheth had no regard for the local cmmunity nor fo upholding the law of the land. Many years ago my brother was fined £5 forr dropin liter, yet these criminals who spent time in Culcheth have been allowed to get away with their crime no wonder this crowd of morons will cause havoc again knowing they will be allowed to get away with their crimes. Whats the point of reporting crimes when Police dont act!whatever13

ExRatRacer wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.

PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.

Sorry, quick question. could it be a possibility that the fact that &quot;many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal." led to the prejudice and not the other way round.
we have evolved as a species but not as much as people think, to me (my opinion) this is less to do with respect and more to do with territory and dominance. it is that which reflects our human nature.
and finally and happily I wont be going to heaven or meeting st. peter as I am an atheist.

it doesn't matter who did what first. We could talk chicken and egg all day long. Question is what we going to do about it now..in the position we find ourselves in now. Do nothing is the overwhelming response from you bunch of big thinkers

[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ExRatRacer[/bold] wrote:
There is a lot of prejudice against travellers because many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal.
PageA attributes travellers' poor behaviour to this prejudice, when it is in a large part the other way around.[/p][/quote]PageA attributes prejudice against travellers to the fact that the things you mention do take place. PageA suggests that the above do take place because there's also been a breakdown in the relationship between them and us probably due to the level of prejudice shown against them. Page asked these commentators to consider stopping the wheel and working to end this cycle by building new relationships. PageA understands that this is still a backwards thinking town, not quite ready for a concept as complicated as having the difficult conversations and making friends with old enemies. PageA is quite happy that he has introduced this idea to some who may not have considered this before and will be rewarded in heaven. PageA is confident that everyone who voted negatively to the idea of building bridges with their fellow man will see St. Peter's frowny face when they arrive at the pearly gates.[/p][/quote]Sorry, quick question. could it be a possibility that the fact that "many of them DO leave a mess behind when they move on, DO cause trouble in Pubs and shops and DO steal." led to the prejudice and not the other way round.
we have evolved as a species but not as much as people think, to me (my opinion) this is less to do with respect and more to do with territory and dominance. it is that which reflects our human nature.
and finally and happily I wont be going to heaven or meeting st. peter as I am an atheist.[/p][/quote]it doesn't matter who did what first. We could talk chicken and egg all day long. Question is what we going to do about it now..in the position we find ourselves in now. Do nothing is the overwhelming response from you bunch of big thinkersPageA

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

Pimple, what you seem to be saying here is that you only endorse conversations with people that agree with you. I don't think that I meet the criteria for a troll..unless you are referring to my sticky up hair and pert bottom. You don't like to have your outlook challenged, bravo you.

[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]Pimple, what you seem to be saying here is that you only endorse conversations with people that agree with you. I don't think that I meet the criteria for a troll..unless you are referring to my sticky up hair and pert bottom. You don't like to have your outlook challenged, bravo you.PageA

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

When you consider The Noggin had to close because of the damage the so called travellers had done and as reported in the arrington Guardian n arrest were made...some statistics have a way of hiding the real truth. Also many complints were ade of the noise at night and ealry hours of the morning by *traavellers1 riding their mopeds up and odn the field causng many residents to have a diurbed sleepa nd feel intimidated, my elerderly parents 84 and 86 being some of those reisdents! These so called&quot; travellers" were also throwing stones at passin vehicles on Warrington Road. Again no mention in press or arrests! I am of the opinon the Police used a soft glove approach as to not upset the "tavellers" There is one law to those travellin criminals and one for other members of society! I have met real travellers and spoke with them they were polite and law abiding, but those in Culcheth had no regard for the local cmmunity nor fo upholding the law of the land. Many years ago my brother was fined £5 forr dropin liter, yet these criminals who spent time in Culcheth have been allowed to get away with their crime no wonder this crowd of morons will cause havoc again knowing they will be allowed to get away with their crimes. Whats the point of reporting crimes when Police dont act!

Just re read my post sorry about the typing errors

[quote][p][bold]whatever13[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.
When you consider The Noggin had to close because of the damage the so called travellers had done and as reported in the arrington Guardian n arrest were made...some statistics have a way of hiding the real truth. Also many complints were ade of the noise at night and ealry hours of the morning by *traavellers1 riding their mopeds up and odn the field causng many residents to have a diurbed sleepa nd feel intimidated, my elerderly parents 84 and 86 being some of those reisdents! These so called" travellers" were also throwing stones at passin vehicles on Warrington Road. Again no mention in press or arrests! I am of the opinon the Police used a soft glove approach as to not upset the "tavellers" There is one law to those travellin criminals and one for other members of society! I have met real travellers and spoke with them they were polite and law abiding, but those in Culcheth had no regard for the local cmmunity nor fo upholding the law of the land. Many years ago my brother was fined £5 forr dropin liter, yet these criminals who spent time in Culcheth have been allowed to get away with their crime no wonder this crowd of morons will cause havoc again knowing they will be allowed to get away with their crimes. Whats the point of reporting crimes when Police dont act![/p][/quote]Just re read my post sorry about the typing errorswhatever13

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.

[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.gazhopley

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.

You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughs

[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.[/p][/quote]You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughsPageA

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.

You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughs

a barrel of laughs ?? now if ever i heard the pot calling the kettle black, Only you could debate statistical databases and cause a row.

[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.[/p][/quote]You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughs[/p][/quote]a barrel of laughs ?? now if ever i heard the pot calling the kettle black, Only you could debate statistical databases and cause a row.local man

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)

This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!

Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.

Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.

You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughs

a barrel of laughs ?? now if ever i heard the pot calling the kettle black, Only you could debate statistical databases and cause a row.

Thank you ;)

[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gazhopley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Uncoded[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote:
People, the troll called Page A is a liberal leftist who's sole aim on here is to wind you up. It knows the truth deep down but refuses to accept it until something nasty happens to it or it's family. If you disagree with its opinions then by St Peter you are damned.
It's not worth getting wound up about its posts because it will keep disagreeing with you until you grow bored of its tireless rhetoric. Feel free to post your opinions for normal people out there to reply too but. If the word Page A replies, just ignore it and engage in civil, common sence debates with people who don't insult you or are happy to listen to your opinions.
PageA don't bother replying to this as it won't get a response ;-)[/p][/quote]This is a bit of a pointless rant, but each to their own!
Here's food for thought.
Having looked at a few statistics, it has become apparent that people who are on benefits and live in council houses are responsible for a greater amount of criminal activity than travellers.[/p][/quote]Can you tell me where you got your stats from, I have access to quite a few statistical databases and I can't find any that cross references crime with people that live in council houses. With over 8 million units of social housing and around 60,000 travellers (estimate) I would expect you claim to be true but hardly comparable.[/p][/quote]You have access to what? You sound like a barrel of laughs[/p][/quote]a barrel of laughs ?? now if ever i heard the pot calling the kettle black, Only you could debate statistical databases and cause a row.[/p][/quote]Thank you ;)PageA