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As soon as I heard Gen was doing a sci-fi/mecha show for Production IG I knew it was going to be the show to watch this season.

That was a great start.

So, it looks to be a floating city of some type, travelling the oceans.

The insinuation seems to be that in all the years humanity spread throughout the stars, they never found a planet they could set foot on and habitate.

The only downside I see is this appears to be only 11-13 episodes.

His society seems to be very Gen/Japanese, in its rigidity. Kind of like the Romans, using citizenship as a carrot to keep the war machine filled with bodies. I wonder if it plays any actual part in things, or if it was all just background, and the entire story deals with his interactions with the Earthlings.

1. being Urobuchi scripted, a major character will die
2. with the rescue beacon always on, could the Hideous follow and reach Earth later?
3. would not be surprise Hideous is a human creation.
4. the Avalon sounds like a very tightly population control structure, due to the limited space/resources, as one of the right of being citizen is "right to populate",
5. would not be surprise the fight against Hideous is the way Avalon control its population, that they launch a major offense whenever a group of human reach citizen age.
6. So Earth, the defrost water planet, is literally the last heaven/Eden for Avalon human, if they only knew it, or do they already know but the computer/few human is withholding the knowledge from the masses?
7. but why is Earth frozen and lost to human in the first place, is it Hideous related?
8. would other "being" follow Ledo to Earth through the wormhole concurrently? both the Hideous or Kugel?
9. the mecha "machine calibre" would not be invincible, one of the plot device would be it can run out of energy.
10. would Chamber be deactivated or turn against Ledo at some point of the story? especially after Ledo learns the truth of Avalon/Hideous/Earth?
11. is it me or isn't there some Galatica vibe? Water World? Nausicaa?

1. being Urobuchi scripted, a major character will die
2. with the rescue beacon always on, could the Hideous follow and reach Earth later?
3. would not be surprise Hideous is a human creation.
4. the Avalon sounds like a very tightly population control structure, due to the limited space/resources, as one of the right of being citizen is "right to populate",
5. would not be surprise the fight against Hideous is the way Avalon control its population, that they launch a major offense whenever a group of human reach citizen age.
6. So Earth, the defrost water planet, is literally the last heaven/Eden for Avalon human, if they only knew it, or do they already know but the computer/few human is withholding the knowledge from the masses?
7. but why is Earth frozen and lost to human in the first place, is it Hideous related?
8. would other "being" follow Ledo to Earth through the wormhole concurrently? both the Hideous or Kugel?
9. the mecha would not be invincible, one of the plot device would be it can run out of energy.
10. would Chamber be deactivated or turn against Ledo at some point of the story? especially after Ledo learns the truth of Avalon/Hideous/Earth?
11. is it me or isn't there some Galatica vibe? Water World? Nausicaa?

This being Gen, it would be very realistic that the powers that be know of Earth's existence. Using the war as population control would also be very Gen-like.

On the other hand, they are obviously veeeeeeeeeeeeery far away from Earth, since there were no stars Chamber recognized, so in that sense, the powers that be in Avalon may have no idea where Earth is.

I wonder if all the white hair/skin is due to genetic engineering, or if that's just a result of generations of living in space.

Which brings me to the question of population. Avalon doesn't seem like it can support all that many people. If humanity has been spreading through the stars for...well...a really long time, you'd think there'd be a heck of a lot more of them.

I mean, sure, obviously they suffer large casualties fighting, if the battle was indicative of a normal fight, but humans have relatively long upkeep in maintaining and growing populations. So, it would appear that Avalon's population of "real" citizens is a super small fraction of the population, with the vast majority apparently living in really large ships.

Take our protagonist. He's been in "service" for 16 years (I have no idea how old he is, but it would suggest this society throws their people into war from a very early age). Looking at the casualties, surviving that long seems like it'd be a rare feat. :/ He's only now able to apply for limited citizenship. I wonder if everyone on Avalon is a long-term survivor of war, or if you're born on Avalon, you're automatically a citizen?

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Originally Posted by Shinhwa

I think it may be possible that it has unlimited power supply or something.

I seem to recall him stating there was only a little bit of power left, and they would have to be careful with it.

Definitely one of the stronger starts to the season I've seen. The universe is very easy to get immersed into and has a very interesting background to it. From what I'm taking in, humanity has essentially spread out enough that the "sophisticated" has to live in space, and any other pockets of populations are essentially separated enough that even Earth is now an unusual location.

Apparenace wise, Ledo reminds me of Shuu from Guilty Crown (mainly the eyes), which makes me think that if Guilty Crown wasn't such a fuck up, it could've been this show. That's about as far as that comparison will go though.

The "primitive" people provide a very interesting contrast to Ledo in appearance and technology. The development between Amy and Ledo should be interesting to watch.

Which brings me to the question of population. Avalon doesn't seem like it can support all that many people. If humanity has been spreading through the stars for...well...a really long time, you'd think there'd be a heck of a lot more of them.

in ep 1, Avalon is described as MAN MADE with 470 MILLION CITIZENS, and Avalon is shown as many pods connected together to form a giant structure, each pod kind of like a ctiyship, so Avalon can be strung together bead like with as many pods as they want, but they also shown many pods being destroyed by Hedious. since people without citizenship is denied to be on board Avalon, I can only assume before that they live on ships, with computer AI regulate their sleep, and more important, reproduction, etc. which explain why 16-17 years old is the threshold for citizenship.

Definitely one of the stronger starts to the season I've seen. The universe is very easy to get immersed into and has a very interesting background to it. From what I'm taking in, humanity has essentially spread out enough that the "sophisticated" has to live in space, and any other pockets of populations are essentially separated enough that even Earth is now an unusual location.

Apparenace wise, Ledo reminds me of Shuu from Guilty Crown (mainly the eyes), which makes me think that if Guilty Crown wasn't such a fuck up, it could've been this show. That's about as far as that comparison will go though.

The "primitive" people provide a very interesting contrast to Ledo in appearance and technology. The development between Amy and Ledo should be interesting to watch.

Overall, very excited about this show.

I just pretend Production I.G never did Guilty Crown, so I can keep them on the pedestal I do.

I wonder if there are bidding wars now for Gen's writing skills between the studios.

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in ep 1, Avalon is described as MAN MADE with 470 MILLION CITIZENS, and Avalon is shown as many pods connected together to form a giant structure, each pod kind of like a ctiyship, so Avalon can be strung together bead like with as many pods as they want, but they also shown many pods being destroyed by Hedious. since people without citizenship is denied to be on board Avalon, I can only assume before that they live on ships, with computer AI regulate their sleep, and more important, reproduction, etc. which explain why 16-17 years old is the threshold for citizenship.

Didn't they say he had put in 16 years of service (or 145k hours), so only now he was eligible for taking leave on Avalon? I think there's a difference between saying, "hey, you're 16 years old, now you get to party" and 16 years of service, but I guess we'll have to see, assuming we actually see more of that society at all.

By the way, the part where he pats the girl on her ass to get her to talk some more was pure gold.

If you watched Fate/Zero and Madoka, then you can expect some form of tragedy in this series too.

I just found out about Urogen's sadistic streak. Gargantia really looks positive and vibrant so I hope UroGen will keep the tragedy toned down. I want a "happy" ending from him for a change. I'm pretty sure three of his works have already turned me into a latent criminal.

Which means, that side characters such as Saaya, Melty and Pinion may die somehow in the future. If Urobutcher seriously goes sadistic again and decides to kill the main heroine, then... yeah... Nice going Urogen...

Yea they aren't generic "happy" endings, but he's no Tomino or Anno during their depression periods.

For all of the "Gen the Butcher" writing, he's not even in the same league of slaughter as "Kill'em All Tomino" during the bad period. Which is kind of funny, when you think about it. In any other genre, Gen could probably be counted on to be very dark and kill lots of his cast. In Mecha, he'll have to try hard to even get a kill count in the top 10 of all-time.

Oh, and apparently while he's writing it, it's not actually his original concept. So, it might be a little less lethal.

That was beautiful. Lol after so much time he can only get limited situation and a vacation trip. I wonder if him being out of it for 6 months will mean anything. Since they tried to throw everything at that enemy and still had to retreat, maybe there's no place for him to go back to. Though he lucked out and ended up on earth.