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We started as the first commercial effort to bring Android to the PC. We're still at it, now on GitHub rebuilding - combining the best of the open-source world, with cutting-edge commercial drivers, licensed from Intel. (Console.com.co)

@Tim - It is unfortunate that Android-IA for PC, which we depended on, was discontinued shortly after we began releasing. Had our Kickstarter not happened, nobody would have even fought to keep those components alive... Components that we are still working to reintegrate into the Android-x86 kernel.

These acts will benefit the whole Android on PC community. Even Remix OS, which is funding/supporting the venom from Android-x86.org, can fork our code.

That is the goal of Kickstarter. People should not back a Kickstarter expecting more than a team that does their best to deliver. We have made Android on PC better, and we will continue to.

We think - and have privately received - massive support from most backer that get that their $10 on average is going to that goal, and the people that write in to us have one clear message; keep going.

To those people, we thank you.

Now as to Console OS, we remain committed to it. But OEMs simply are not willing to embrace it until they see what Google is going to do to the landscape, later this year.

As such, we will keep building Console OS - while announcing some new products in the near future.

I'm still on the fence on this one... I too feel I was mislead by the original campaign. It was written in a way that had indicated they put in 18 months of effort and were on the door steps of releasing a quality product. That being said, all the pro features feel like a nice wish list that given time they felt they could do. As for refunds, I feel kickstarter is a risk, and that's why I only risked $10 dollars... and I'm pretty sure the 5700 other people who took a chance with the project will be less likely to back other projects. I'm surprised kickstarter hasn't stepped in to protect their over all product and to make backers feel more protected. I know I will never support another kickstarter project because of this. The risks are too high. I would rather wait for the finished product, read a review and then decide to purchase. That being said, I will continue to wait for a release however it feels they may be moving on to another project since they feel google is bringing android to the desktop.

@Jason - We have answered each topic you have raised in-depth already. We disagree. We are not going to refund you, we intend to continue developing Console OS despite encountering the stated risks, and mitigating them.

We welcome productive alternatives, but we have spent your funds on building Console OS, it's live for Kickstarter backers to download in Lollipop, and we're already staging Marshmallow for GitHub.

Hello all, as you may have noticed, Android N was officially announced for the first time today.

As we've noted several times in the past, Google doesn't share the Android roadmap with us. Companies we work with may be aware of it, but even they aren't allowed to talk to us about it.

Some features we knew would be there, like multi-window support. Others were a surprise. We are battle testing the Android N developer preview releases, but please keep in mind that Google has not issued source code for these releases. As such, we may know what is coming with Android N, but our best efforts will be focused on Marshmallow for the time being.

@Jason - You backed a Kickstarter, you did not purchase an existing product. We made clear in our Risks statement and in our what-to-expect disclosures that Console OS was not finished, and was in active development.

Unfortunately, Intel decided to discontinue key components after a point at which we could not refund people completely. We set a new path forward, consistent with the terms of the mid-2014 Kickstarter TOS. We're proud to still be working with our partners like Intel on that new path forward.

All the features you said were ready I paid for with my purchase of Console OS PRO in 2014.
You have delivered exactly nothing! None of the things you said would happen did. I purchased Console OS PRO (for me and a friend!) which was claimed to be "finished", and the features were said to be "ready to go".

Those are reasons I purchased a product from you.

It really seems like you're trying to tell me I funded your lies and other backer refunds.

We apologize for some of the delays over the past week in getting updates out. We're juggling a patch release to v0.4.96 that will at least add a couple of features. One of those features is draining considerable time right now in completing.

At the same time we are handling a couple of other tasks involving a future product. Considering that Google has inferred that Android is headed to PCs, we have to focus on other products simultaneously to keep Console viable.

We hope to be current with everything at some point this week, but realistically, normal operations may not get back on track until this weekend.

Huang graduated from National Taiwan University(NTU) in 1993, with a bachelor's degree in physics, and a master's degree in the electrical engineering department of NTU in 2000. He worked as a director in Top Technology Inc., the CTO of Citron Network Inc., and a project manager of Tecom Inc. Huang currently works as a senior researcher of Core Technology Center in ASUSTeK Computer Inc. He is one of the start members of Software Liberty Association of Taiwan (SLAT), and the first[2] and second[3] members of the SLAT Council.

Chih-Wei Huang is the founder and coordinator of Chinese Linux Documentation Project (CLDP)

He wrote the Linux Chinese HOWTO, and translate HOWTO Index, Linux META-FAQ, Serial HOWTO, DNS HOWTO, Linux Information SHEET, Java-CGI HOWTO, IP Masquerade mini-HOWTO and so on. He developed a utility named SGMLtools Chinese Kits to solve the Chinese processing issues of SGML.[4]

He is also the second coordinator of Chinese Linux Extensions (CLE).:He was a developer of CLE since v0.7, and became the coordinator[5] of CLE v0.9. He pushed the Chinese localization for KDE, GNOME, Abiword. He co-worked with Yuan-Chung Cheng, Tung-Han Hsieh to push ARPHIC Inc. to release four Chinese truetype fonts for the free software community under Arphic Public License. He also wrote a book for CLE with others.[6]

As Core Developer of GNU Gatekeeper (from 2001 to 2003), he developed new features like thread-safed runtime tables, neighbors and authentication modules, full H.323 proxy and the Citron's NAT technology. He wrote the first version of English and Chinese manual for GnuGK.[7] He won the first prize of Open Source Contest Taiwan in 2003.[8]

He serves as The committer of KDE、GNOME,[9] and helps to translate the .po files and fixes bugs related to Chinese. He is the contributor of pyDict、OpenH323、Asterisk、GStreamer etc. He works on a way to leverage the ASUS Eee PC with the power of the free software community.,[10] and aims to provide a complete solution for Android at x86 platform. Eee PC、VirtualBox、QEMU are tested OK.[11]

Chih-Wei Huang and Yi Sun originated the Android-x86 Open Source Project which aims to bring Android to the x86 platforms since 2009.

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Just so we are clear, that is the developer and founder of android-x86 that you are referring to as.."disgraced?"

Heyy MMV... want another $10? They say laughter is the best medicine, and I bet I was healed, just reading through all these posts. I am thinking of pointing my parents towards all this negativity, and saying "see,... you did a damn fine job". Takes all kinds though, I've heard. I guess the joys of life would not taste so sweet, if we banned disgruntledness. Keep up the good work, my T100 patiently waits... and hasn't whined one bit.

@Jason - We are back in the office after having to take some unrelated leaves last week. We have an update on Console OS drafted that will give more insight onto our roadmap. As we said in a past update, we merged Standard and Pro versions of Console OS into one build.

The mid-2014 Kickstarter TOS, and our risk statements, allow us to do this in reaction to a stated risk. That risk is the loss of Android-IA for PC, which at the time was part of the Android Open Source Project. We reacted to that risk by merging Console OS Standard and Pro, and going open-source on GitHub.

Your money has been spent on the project. We only refunded 14 people as part of a joint resolution with Kickstarter that avoided costly legal action. We aren't going to refund you, instead, we're going to keep delivering.

If you can't deliver a working version of the thing i paid you for, I want a refund.

Think of how demanding you CEO becomes when he pays for something, and it's not delivered.

Yet, your company has no problem taking nearly 80 thousand dollars from his own customers.

We were told Console OS PRO was "ready to go" , "built from the groumd up" 100 exclusiv efeatures. Most are "ready to go". All of this before Android L even had a name!

The apparent lies, dishonesty, attempts to trick backers and rip off other developers.. it's just too much.

I no longer wish to fund or support the apparent underhanded efforts od the console os (mmv) "team".

Please refund my pledge.

Other people have received refunds.
Your latest update was not for backers. It was a job posting. It lools lile you're still tryumg to attract developer talent. That make sense, it would seem clear bow that the existing "team" is only capable of copying other people's work, and tricking us with a logo change so some will believe you actually wrote some code.

I want a refund of my pledge.

You've already indicated you spent [some of our] backer money to refund some backers in what lools like a lame attempt to deflect legal actiin agsinst you.

We would rather donate $50,000 with the industry, via Console Developer Rewards (which we're in the process of rolling out), than pay highway robbery. We didn't kill Android-IA for PC, and forking Android-x86 kept our project alive. We stand by the call, we're proud of it, and we aren't going to refund you.

I'd say their "demands" were generous to you. They do all the work. You hand them 2/3 and keep the 1/3 for yourself to spend on whatever you spend on........

Let's get this straight: a shakedown is $78,497 that 5,695 backers of this Kickstarter gave based on promises and claims of work already completed. This is not a charity Kickstarter for one man and his many multiple personalities collectively referred to as "we" and "us".

@Gerald - We have posted pages of answers to questions in the past week. We expect normal operations to resume early next week when the team gets off the simultaneous and unexpected travel and leave.

We are not obligated to re-re-answer questions persistently. Contrary to the belief of some, Kickstarter does not obligate us to answer any questions here... we spend hours each week doing so, because we think it's the right thing to do. We have limited resources and tackle as many questions as we can on a regular basis.

@WANG - Our focus has been on using Intel's more advanced GPU drivers that are more difficult to integrate. We are still using Mesa because of a known issue there. Our Mesa is 11.2 at the moment and there's a bug with our K4.0 blocking DV8P and a few other BYT-T systems.

@Ng - It's a worthy question. Unfortunately, we can't give you excellent answers. There are several unknown factors.

First, Google builds Chrome OS out in the open. They do not with Android. Google freezes everyone out of what the next version of Android will have. We hit that problem with Lollipop. Intel couldn't tell us that major components we relied on, would be pulled from Lollipop, until after Google made it available.

So, we have no idea what Android N will have, beyond what Google has insinuated. Hence, we have no idea yet what it will take to get into Android N.

In general, and this is very general, we usually hit our stride with an Android version once its first maintenance release ships (MR1). For Lollipop that was Android 5.1. For Marshmallow, Google deemed 6.0.1 as the MR1 release. Why? Hard to say. 6.0.1 was less major than 5.1. But, we do have Marshmallow up and running.

The good news is that Marshmallow is far less revolutionary than Lollipop. In many ways, it's much more like Windows 7 vs Vista, than Windows 7 vs Windows 8. What we're doing with Lollipop today, is carrying over to Marshmallow.

You asked "when" - and now you know why it's hard for us to answer that totally. It would not be hard to fathom Marshmallow builds for Kickstarter backers some time in April. We have to shore up Lollipop and ship a truly public release.

Finally, we have another product in the pipeline as well - one that will hopefully actually make us some money. We haven't shared it with very many people, but it has been our most rapid prototyping of anything we've done to date. The people we've shared it with immediately have said we have to sell it. And no, we aren't planning on crowdfunding it.

Finally, on OEMs. Let's be clear. The moment Google said they were merging Chrome and Android - the OEMs pretty much were told to wait for Google. We seriously doubt OEMs are going to ship any Android-on-PC solution until Google leads there.

Our hope, is that the Chromium team carries over the developmental tenants of Chrome OS - building new versions out in the open, rather than in a closed-release state, so that we can all contribute, stabilize, and differentiate into our own niches that better the Android ecosystem.

Speaking of what the OEMS want, When can you reach Marshmallow? Before Android N (or whatever version coming out this year) ? Right now you are delivering Lollipop around half year into Marshmallow's age. Based on the track record, I wouldn't be confident on your stuff if I'm one of the OEMs.

My question is when. Just give us a rough estimation will do and I don't need to know anything else.

@Sravan - We just don't see it that way. By not breaking Android APIs, we can get to Marshmallow faster, and be on a level playing field with where the OEMs are wanting us to be. It will also give us comparative advantage.

We appreciate the feedback, but we feel that sticking with Marshmallow's multitasking APIs and multi-app support is a better path, and will make it easier to implement our original vision. It may be a rougher road initially, but we stand by the call.

The marketing game says that the one to enter the market first is the winner and in this case its the remix os from Jide. If you want people to adopt Console OS, then it should be better than remix os. But from where it stands today, Console OS would take forever to reach where remix os is today. Also i think you should cut down on being jack of all trades i.e. Marshmellow and concentrate on giving your backer Console Os Pro with the 100 features that you promised on the Lollipop.

@Sravan - There's no question that Jide has been "supporting" Android-x86 for awhile now, and we intend to pursue the appearances of impropriety there more aggressively. We'll say this: We didn't pay Android-x86's shakedown demands. We can't say the same about other projects with any level of certainty. We may have paid a social media cost for that, but we don't regret it.

As to Console OS today, there's no question starting from scratch delayed us. We're now an open-source project. We're focused on making pure Android great on the PC. We aren't deterred by that, at all.

@WANG - We know, but not all BayTrail-T graphics integrations are alike. There are considerable Video BIOS differences and other errata. This is why Console OS works great on the T100 today, but has issues on the Dell Venue 8 Pro, ones we and Intel are still working to resolve.

Remix Os from jide is everything that Console Os should have been. Easy installation , works with UEFI and Non Uefi devices. Touchscreen , wifi, audio , video , android games work without crashes or hitch. Proudly displays the android x-86 logo which it uses as a base. Best implementation of android for PC so far

Please respond to the following allegations with more then calling them lies:

1. No one else except Christopher Price works for MMV/Console Inc. Since day one of this project, he has refused to answer the simple question of the number of employees in his company. However, he claimed earlier in the Kickstarter comments section to have "engineers", which is plural meaning at least two other employees besides himself. However, he now refrains from referring to his departments at all by quantifiable nouns, instead resorting to using terms such as "engineering" to describe areas of his company. When asked on multiple occasions for the number of employees in his company, he pretended to have been asked for names, not numbers.

2. He falsely claimed to have already delivered Console OS Pro. He has said in the Kickstarter comments section that he already delivered "Console OS Pro" to backers. Currently, Console OS still lacks Pro features. The Pro version, by definition, would have Pro features.

4. He tested thousands of paid Play Store apps without prior backer consent, either using thousands of dollars of Kickstarter funds to purchase them or engaging in pirating to obtain them. He claimed online that he had tested thousands of paid Play Store apps on Console OS. This would mean he had either spent thousands of dollars to purchase them or he had obtained them illegitimately by pirating them.

Exhibit A: "We've successfully imported and tested thousands of paid play store apps, right in our own labs."
Price never responded back explaining how he acquired those apps. Viewable here:
http://i.imgur.com/cgr9nng.jpg

5. He falsely claimed to have already built a prototype with over 100 features already built-in before the project campaign. He has been unwilling and unable to produce the original prototype that he already "built" prior to the project. Likewise, he has been unwilling and unable to provide verifiable visual evidence, either through prerecorded video or live screencast, which showed said prototype had "over new 100 features already built-in."

6. He fraudulently obtained backer funds by purposely withholding information about Android-IA for Core's suspension until the refund window had past. He withheld the information that Android-IA for Core's development had been suspended, of which he was informed three days after the campaign had ended. He did not let backers know Android-IA for Core was crucial for Console OS's on-going development. He even made it appear in campaign materials that it was a direct competitor, not the basis for Console OS's code. Somehow, the rest of the industry understood Android-IA for Core's suspension to be indefinite but not Price. He did not inform backers of its suspension until backer funds could no longer be refunded, almost six months later. Per Kickstarter policy, all project creators can fully refund their backers through Amazon Payments up to 60 days after a campaign has ended.

Exhibit A: "@Dave - We're still determined to make that happen, despite pullback from partners. Had Intel called us up during our Kickstarter campaign and said 'hey, heads up, yes we can confirm we're suspending Android development for Core processors' - then we would have posted that.
We didn't get confirmation of that until three days (72 hours) after our Kickstarter campaign ended... it was a punch in the gut, frankly we're even surprised we got this far in the wake of that."
Viewable here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmv...t-11535212

@Jason - We know people who read the comment wall daily might not see it as new news, but much as Windows 10 has a fast and slow ring, we've been using our comment wall similarly.

v0.4.96 has tested well with you constantly-reloading, comment followers, we said in our update earlier today that we would roll out support and release notes for that release to everyone late today.

We also promised we would unveil details for Console Developer Rewards - which is not a talent project focused on us, but on giving back to our upstream projects - by the end of February... which is what we did late yesterday.

As we said a few updates ago, we have merged Console OS Standard and Pro into one release for now. This was necessary to keep the project alive, and permitted under the mid-2014 Kickstarter TOS.

We will provide more details on what to expect on the roadmap, in our next update, due out tonight.

But you have not cleared up any of the allegations levied against you, some of which deal directly with regard to the said Intel technology. Shall I continue to repost those here (Summary of Allegations Against Christopher Price) so that you address them point by point? I'm assuming you know exactly what I'm talking about.

@Gearld - We're here to clear up those misconceptions. We licensed technology from Intel, that unfortunately mid-way through our development... they stopped building. We then forked an open-source project to replace those components, and are working with Intel to bring the last-mile drivers needed to support Dell Venue 8 Pro properly back.

@Matt - See links above where we addressed this controversey in-depth:

@graphidz - We aren't refunding backers. We worked with Kickstarter to drop a little over a dozen backers who were draining both companies resources, and accounted for over half the nearly 4,000 comments on our wall. As a courtesy, we made a one-time exception and refunded those people, who we feel were trolling us - at the detriment of other backers.

I pledged to this project in order to get Android apps on my Dell Venue 8 Pro which was specifically targeted as one the first device to get Console OS. That was two years ago and there has been nothing, but excuses. Now there is the damning accusations of simply copying other's code. I would like a refund based on this blatant misrepresentation.

Question on the email that was just sent out. I am very excited to see an update already coming. Reading "If you don't want to wait, just log in to Console Accounts as a backer - and download away!" does this mean the new update is already available to us?

Also, don't accuse me of spamming, I've never heard of the issue before and only I'm asking you to explain what's happening between you and the android x86 project you linked to (if you hadn't linked to it, I never would have seen his statement). If you reply rudely or try to censor me you will look guilty (you tell people below kickstarter will remove their posts because you don't like them and consider them trolling, but they never did, because they don't violate ToS).

One of the links you posted in your recent update, to Android x86, accuses you of being a scam and stealing code from Android x86 on their front page (from the author of that project): http://www.android-x86.org/

Hi all,
[CC this to Android-IA list since the guy continues
lying on Android-IA list]

Honestly speaking, I really have no time to check what
Christopher Price and his crappy Console OS did recently.
But I'm getting more and more private requests to ask me
to stop him from stealing the Android-x86 effort.
So as the project leader of the Android-x86 project,
I think I need to do something.

As a background for new comers who haven't heard
the story of Console OS, here is a brief:

Christopher Price started a project called Console OS
at Kickstart in the middle 2014. He promised
"We've rebuilt Android™ to be a primary operating system
for your PC, 2-in-1 or PC Tablet. Over 100 new features
built-in already..."

Christopher also announced his Kickstart campaign
on the android-x86 list to seek for support.
He claimed Console OS will be shipped at the end of 2014.
Finally he succeeded to collect $78,497 for the project.

However, without any real demo and detailed explanation
how he could achieve his goal, the android-x86 community
quickly exposed this is just a scam and banned this guy forever.

In Dec 2014 Christopher released a first test build of Kitkat
called DR1 to his backers only. However, according to
the comments of some backers, this is just a copy of
android-ia image without any promised features.
Most devices he promised to support cannot install
or even boot the DR1.

While most of his backers are waiting for an update of Kitkat DR2,
Christopher claimed he was moving the development
of Console OS to Android 5.x (Lollipop) since most backers
voted to do so. However,
he is unable to deliver any Lollipop build one year later.
He made many excuses like the most devices have
32-bit UEFI (which is never an issue of android-x86),
Intel didn't support Core processors
(which are supported by android-x86) anymore, and
the Lollipop Logjam (I really have no idea what it is).

Two months ago after the android-x86 5.1-rc1 released,
Christopher claimed he will "open source" the code of
Console OS soon to speed up the development.
Several days ago I was informed the
"Console OS source code" finally appears in github:

==> at least he is honest that he uses android-x86 code,
but what's the improvements??

* Device-specific build targets for BayTrail-T

==> well, just renaming

* A new home screen, Trebuchet (from CyanogenMod)

==> how could you called it an improvement by just
adding a launcher from another open source project?
besides, where is the source?

* Intel drivers (though many are not active yet)

==> actually all of them are not active
"

Strictly speaking, this guy is legally to fork android-x86
and sell it because this project is open source licensed
(via Apache License, GNU GPL or BSD-like licenses
depends on the components you use).
At first I hope I can just ignored what this guy did
and continue our development,
But after reading more evidences including the
comments of his backers and others,
I think I could endure it no longer.

Christopher Price continues cheating his backers
and all others that "his team" is developing an OS which
is much better than other competitors (including android-x86):

However, one year and a half later,
the guy just copied and renamed android-x86
and then claimed this is his amazing OS!

All the developers of android-x86 including me
have spent many sleepless nights to code,
test and debug android-x86 to make it better,
but this guy just copied it to deceive his backers.
The dishonest actions do hurt the android-x86
community very much.

I have to clarify I'm not against the business.
Using android-x86 to do some business is totally fine.

If at the time his Kickstart campaign began,
he honestly described he will use and ship
a unmodified (just renamed) android-x86 product,
and the backers still support it. I'm fine with it.

If he does make some improvements based
on the android-x86 code, I'm glad to see so.

However, cheating the world that he is developing
something amazing on Kickstart in 2014
but finally just copied an open source project that
he degraded at first (see the competitive chart on his site)
is very immoral.

When Kickstart campaign began in 2014, he promised
you "A" (a much better stuff) and accept your money,
but now he just deliver you "B" (a totally different stuff).
If you are a backer, can you accept?
If this is not a scam, what is a scam?

IMO, Christopher Price and his Console OS is
*a cancer* that lives by the nutrient of android-x86.
If we can't cut it immediately, he will continue
absorbing the effort of android-x86 and finally
choke this project.

So if you still cherish the small achievements
we have done so far, please help me to
stop this guy from hurting the community.
I beg for your assistance including

* If you know some media reporters,
tell them the truth about Console OS.
Ask your friends to publish some news
about the failed story of Console OS.
Forward letter to anyone who heard the
Console OS and tell them the truth.
* If you are a backer, tell Kickstart and other backers
the facts. Question Kickstart why they allow
such a scam existing on its platform.
Consider to take legal action to stop the scam.
* I believe some developers from the community
are helping Christopher Price to make the fraud.
I ask you stop doing so since you're playing with fire.

Let us know if you have any other idea to stop this guy.

Please keep the discussion rational in this thread.
Avoid words that may result in flaming war.
Also avoid simply reply like "I agree" or "I support you".
Please express your support by doing the above items
or any useful thing you think.

Finally, if you still believe Christopher Price and his vaporware,
just go away since you are not welcome.

We regret that we're English-only, but we only committed to that from the outset. Physical perks should be discussed in the next update for those waiting for Backer Plus update. We are working to get those couple hundred or so items shipped.