Hidden from discussions about Reconciliation, 60-vote Senate super-majorities and the arcane rules of passing the same bad bill in both Houses of Congress, a more fundamental obstacle to socializing our medical system may soon emerge: the voters' sovereignty. People may soon stop to ask whether passing Obama's bill matters, considering what would likely happen after the President signs his landmark mistake.

Imagine that this sweeping healthcare abomination passes with zero votes from Republicans in the House and Senate. Never before has an important reform bill been passed in this manner. Heck, even the Civil Right laws of the 1960s were able to find some non-extremist Democrats to support them.

Assume further than the brain-dead Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and walking-argument-for-limiting-botox Speaker Nancy Pelosi pass a bill using every machination at their disposal. In November of this year the people will speak. My guess is that the people would elect Republicans into the majority in the House. The Senate is more difficult to change quickly, as only 1/3rd of the Senate is up for re-election every election cycle. Suffice it to say, the Senate would have a 50-50 chance of reverting to Republican control.

Since the healthcare reform begins collecting taxes in 2011, but only begins spending these taxes on universal healthcare in 2015, wouldn't we have an opportunity to repeal Obamacare? We would not need a 2/3rds super-majority to override a Presidential veto, as Congress puts forth all spending bills.

Furthermore, any Democrats in the Senate who are up for re-election in 2012 would likely support this repeal after seeing the landslide against their party in 2010. Unlike now, by then few Democrats in Congress could be bought off easily by the Obama Administration, as it would seem likely that he is a one-termer . . .

Does it matter if it passes? You’re darn right it does. Don’t ever believe that if it passes it can or will be repealed somewhere down the line. I don’t want to take that chance. Kill it now and be done with it!

Don’t undo it, just don’t fund it. No congress is required to continue the perogatives of the previous congress. No funding, no healthcare. Institute a flat tax, and after passage address how much socialism costs everyone. Think there might be a come to Jesus moment there.

Ultimatley, I dont’ think anyting matters. A majority of the states, thousands of municipalities, thousands of corporations, and tens of millions of citizens will be insolvent twenty-four months from now. The dollar will be a contentious currency. The Federal government will not be able to collect a fraction of the revenues to support the USSA. It’s moot.

Your medical care will be negotiated locally.

Ditto retirement and social services.

They wiped out the current financial system, but not the means of production and the ways of wealth.

We will recover, in a country you won’t recognize from the one of, say, ten years ago.

It would take a lot of whittling to get the foot out of door, and forgetting the need of a sixty vote margin for cloture, this act of Congress amounts to a declaration of war against the American people. The bill's primary problem is how it is built on a fundamental change in the relationship between a citizens and government, making the former into slaves of the latter. It's suppose to be the other way around.

The other side wants to gloss over little details like this, and they try to pooh pooh it away, just like they pooh pooh away everything else that's unique and good about American freedom.

I think expecting a response in kind after a declaration of war like this is not too much to expect. It would mean recourse to the need for a representative government to require political will is no longer necessary in this government, that the self-continuity and feather-bedding of federal, state and municipal employees enjoy a new a sovereign property right over my productivity.

These toll free arrangements were set up by Obamuniust organizations to support (pause for sticking out tongue) health care reform. Use them! After all, they are free! . At the first number you must wait through a brief Obamunist tape recording. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aide or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.

When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office

1-800-828-0498
1-866-220-0044

Code Red  Tennessee Democrat Congressmen Targeted

Never mind about the so-called fixit bill: the way to defeat Obamacare is is by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.

Maybe it can be repealed in 2012 with a vote based on reconciliation. If the Pubbies defund it - it is dead.

Until a Democrat Congress comes along and re-funds it. This undead provision would be insane. Moreover, the liberty stifling provisions of the bill are more than enough to be problematic, even without funding to the "public option".

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posted on 03/10/2010 12:54:20 PM PST
by Seņor Zorro
("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)

True. Though if you think that tact will scare this pack of merry Bolsheviks you've another think coming. The states are so badly addicted to fed monies, they're finished before they start. UNLESS, a state's willing to forgo all federal funding whatsoever. What're the odds of that happening with 75% or more of these states? :o)

And there'll various EOs along the way, going on under the radar no less also. Not sure EOs can be challenged by anything.

Right now, March 2010? Those who're plugged-in could really use some genuine hope, pal. B&W hope in the form of blood promises made by right-wing candidates. Declarations that in no uncertain terms they pledge to reverse any & all of this nonsense, IF it passes.

If a majority of the electorate doesn't already know what's up by now? How they're to be heavily taxed 4-5 years BEFORE realizing any benefit? We're all dead broke and there is no more left while in debt for decades as it is.? They sure will have heard the word by the time the Right candidates finished, and that's the point.

Let's find out once & for finally exactly what the American people want. Let's find out exactly how plugged-in the American people really are. Let's make the 2010 election a referendum. Let those would-be candidates tell US they're going to right this monstrous wrong at all costs and even more importantly, why. Let us all see if our candidates know what the hell they're trying to do for *us*.

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