The rules of economics are similar to physics. Wishing they were otherwise will not change them. Wishing they were otherwise and acting on it will only get you killed financially. In short, economics is the transfer of time, materials and energy from one person to another. The time it takes to produce an item is part of the value of a commodity. The inherent value of the material is part of the value of the commodity. The energy put into the the item is the last part of the price/value.

Just as in physics, walking off a cliff economically will have disastrous results. Paying people more than they produce will not increase production. Especially if the workers are not paid by the item made, but by the hour worked. What will happen is the initial possible (but certainly not guaranteed) increase in production will subside.

When it comes to pay, one also needs to look at several factors:

– what is the economic benefit derived from the labor
- will an increase in pay lead to greater economic output
- can this given individual be replaced by someone else

The purpose of a business interest is to generate the greatest profit for the owner of the interest, not the happiness of the employees.

Comments

Written by Eric the 1/2 troll about 8 years ago.

Speaking as a lowly geologist, I don’t think it is this simple. Clearly business does, to a degree, fill a role in society more than just maximizing profit for the owner. In fact, I think that maximizing the owner’s profit may just be a pleasant side effect of business. I think that the REAL purpose of business is to increase the productivity of society as a whole, advance civilization, improve quality of life for all of us, and avoid having to rely on the barter system for everyday survival. When maximizing the benefit to the owner negates these societal benfits, then the benefit of that business needs to be reevaluated in those terms. If allowed to operate in this fashion, society may end up in the state we are currently in or worse. This is where the use of regulation (oh, the bad “R” word) can bring the equation back into balance. Case in point, using child labor in sewing sweat shops will clearly maximize profits for the owner but has a net negative societal impact. Regulation allows the owner to continue to maximize his profits but effectively sets a limit on those profits by increasing labor costs – same thing with minimum wage laws. The other piece of the equation you do not consider is the likely increase in revenue/commodity cost by the owner to offset increased production costs and still maintain his profit margins. As long as all owners are on a level playing field (a big “if” in today’s worldwide market) the net result should be a wash for the owner and a benefit for the worker – a negative for the consumer.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

“I think that the REAL purpose of business is to increase the productivity of society as a whole,”

While this may be true of business as an economic force, it is not true of an individual business.

The worker and the business are subject to the same basic principle of supply and demand. Your profit follows the demand for your product or services.

Which ditch digger would you pay more, one who digs 5 feet a day, or one that digs 25 ? Which programmer would you pay more, one who writes 100 line of code a day, or one who writes 500 ? Bottom line is in most cases, the salary matches the worker productivity, not the inverse..

I used to be a brick layers helper, the best one out there. I could have moved up to becoming a bricklayer, in fact I know how to lay brick. But I would rather hump heavy stuff around because I like to think about what’s going on in the world while I work, which bricklaying is boring and requires too much focus. But I used to take care of three master bricklayers and an apprentice at one time, a job usually done by three men.

I quite because I couldn’t find anyone to pay me more than eight dollar an hour even though I was making them more money that any of the bricklayers. I was even taking out to dinner by my boss and plied with liquor while he explained to me how the system works and that there was no way a laborer would ever get more than eight dollars an hour, which was back in the eighties.

If the market was willing to pay me five times more an hour for five times the work, the market would be a totally different place. But it is all run on economic models that are submitted to banks to get loans to operate on. So guidelines are designed by bankers who don’t know squat about producing product and services, only how to stuff the pockets full of the working mans money. And don’t tell me I should have gone to work for myself. I did and was making 300 to 700 hundred dollars a day with almost no overhead in another line of work. I do like how one person can go to work for his or her self and make good money by cutting out all the money grubbing managers in-between.

As for “the transfer of time, materials and energy from one person to another.” I don’t mean this as an insult but rather as a matter of fact, that is a crock. There is far more product and services available today than anywhere near the amount of money available to allow it to simply flow from one place to another. There are 7 billion people on this planet, most of them sitting around with no money and no opportunity while they wait for a day when money comes to them so they can buy products we already have available for them, they just don’t have any money to buy them. The third world is a microcosm of what is happening to this country now, which is a joke if it weren’t that there is nothing funny about it. There is so much you do not understand about Europe’s economy and their dependence on the colonialist fungus they left on the world that without, they would starve.

However, since the banker hasn’t gotten around to figuring out how to maximize profits from whoever has no money, then the worth of them being intelligent animals isn’t realized so products and services just sit around waiting for the people who make money than they know what to do with for doing no real work to figure out a way to make more of it.

Your model might work if it was guided towards some kind of goal, even if it was evil. I mean you are lying to yourself and to us. You are not right. You are not wrong. You are just sitting there like an asshole that won’t shit backing up the whole system, or not you but the people who run the financial system. They have no goals, no ambitions, no objectives. They want all the money in the world but have no plan for what to do with it. They are nothing but bugger eaters and turd pickers but since they do it from the tops of skyscrapers in New York, we think that must be what life is all about. So now my countrymen have been turned into them and are now finding out what they are really all about as we see our way of life deteriorate into something gross and perverted.

It’s not even about greed or lust for them, which I might understand. It’s just about some stupid principle that doesn’t work and has no reason to be there, which deep down they know so it eats away at them until they lose all sense of dignity and shame, like Madoff sending a million dollars worth of jewelry from his apartment the other day risking getting his bail bond revoked saying he deserved to keep it because it was a family heirloom collection.

I bet all the people he ripped off, and all the others ripped off by the rest of his kind in that city, wish they could have back everything their family treasured for generations that they had to pawn for a pittance of the value just to survive. I mean Madoff was one of the biggest figureheads in that city. That tells us a lot about what they are all about, obviously, without any doubt whatsoever, and everyone seems to know it but you.

And if you really knew enough about how the system works, you would understand the how the whole thing is a ponzi scheme that has nowhere to go but to one day implode on itself and all of them at the top know it. I Know because I spent the last ten years investigating the same people that did this and how they did it. But what incentive do they have to make it work if when the shit hits the fan, it lands on us, we have to clean it up, and they wind up owning everything we produced after we go bankrupt from their mistakes.

You say money is just a tool. Well somehow we all wound up owing the banks the planet after they set up the system that could not produce any other result. Money is a tool alright but not the way you claim. It seems to be the root of all evil when applied the way you think it ought to be. I however see it as an asset that can work and have a plan to get us there. One way or another, I will have my day to prove it to you while you still won’t support anything but your Limbaugh economics.

Life is passionate, it comes with a sense of purpose. What is the purpose of your model? You just seem to think it is some kind of law of nature that you believe works because there are times that everything is the way you want it to be even though you don’t know how you got there or why you want to be there. Is there is any sense of direction you can offer the status quo other than to explain that we got here doing it the way it is supposed to be done, lets here it?

What would be your plan for the future if what you thought mattered? If I agree with any or part of it, I will take it under consideration. What is your advice for Obama that is more than telling him he is doing everything wrong. How can he do it right other than stepping aside and letting Rush Limbaugh run the country?

I have a friend who has a tree service. Unless he wanted to pay taxes on all his equipment, he had to borrow the money to buy them which meant submitting a plan to the bank for how he intended to run his business while paying interest on the equipment always having to buy new equipment to stay in debt so it was like he was just renting his business instead of owning it. So he was either forced to conform to the banks way of doping business or buying his equipment for cash and paying taxes on them, which cost to much of the profits to make it worth doing because he had to do it every year instead of just once when he bought it.

So he bought his own equipment but didn’t pay his taxes on it after the first time because it was too ridiculous to him to have to play the banks and governments little game. And this is about the nicest guy you ever want to meet, he lives right here in Springfield, great big guy who I used to climb trees with.

Banks by the way have workforces just about as big, if not bigger then the government. That is what they are, like in Europe when we had the Church and King, here we got the state and bank. Then there is also the church but we are allowed to avoid them if we have the will and fortitude without being thrown out on the streets or into prison for going against their policies, at least for the most part, that is unless you have a priest having sex with your child, which until recently the government turned a blind eye to. But then you would have been getting gangbanged by all three

So I ran into him a few years ago and told him I had just got out of prison for trying to stop congress from pass a liability waiver for MTBE producers using the war in Iraq as cover so the American people wouldn’t know what they were doing. Low and behold, he had just gotten out of federal prison himself for not paying taxes on his equipment for his business.

Now that is a prime example of how banks and government work together to screw, I mean royally bend the working man over. And this was what Bush’s justice department was doing instead of policing Wall Street throwing people like Bernie Madoff in prison. I mean how long do you think you can run around saying this is how the system is supposed to work and not have a full scale rebellion on your hands that ends in class warfare.

And don’t forget, none of this had to happen except that you allowed it. I mean I knew about Bernie Madoff and MTBE in the 90’s just from reading more than the sports section of so called left wing news media rags and then searching deeper for what they didn’t write about.

So what is your excuse for not knowing what goes on in the world where you are supposed to be at the center of principles that above all else advocates personally responsibility as the only true enabler of freedom where when a true patriot like me who puts his life on the line everyday to fight the evil forces you support where all you have to offer me is your inane insults and traitorous lectures on outdated theologies you heard drooling from the lips great El Rushbo, the biggest junky in radio history, to blame it all on God?

Why don’t bloggers know what is going on in the world while at the same time they sit around places like this all day telling people like me how it is? What the hell is wrong with this picture? I should tell you my whole story but you don’t deserve that kind of colonoscopy from me. You need to take a huge collective Bush Bimbo reality check and call me in the morning. You’ve already through away your country while it seems you are holding out for more. Is Jesus coming. Maybe the system is working. Maybe it is the end of the world. Didn’t Jesus say he was going to come back and kill everyone taking the good people back to heaven and burning the rest of us in hell. Oh yeah, that was in revelations which was written by a prisoner in a Roman prison a hundred years after Jesus was gone. Its all about dragons and angels, poisoning mankind, all kinds of crazy things. That’s what you people believe in isn’t it, the bible. So is that why you think this is OK, because you think it is the end of the world. I once heard Rush say that there was no point in worrying about global warming, that if God wanted the world to end, it would matter if we tried to stop him. The woman he was talking to wholeheartedly agreed with him. Are you people all insane? And I mean that with all due seriousness. I mean even if Jesus had said himself, why would you force it to happen without looking deeper into the true history of his life rather than making it happen yourselves to prove the prophesy real. I’m trying tell you but you refuse to listen. You are a lot further in over your heads than you think. Here, let me show you -

Do you see how the system works? Enron spreads a lot of money around Washington to get everyone to support adding poison to gasoline making everyone think it will be good for air quality and therefore good for our health. The EPA is then ordered to enforce the MTBE mandate on oil companies. Then they find out how bad it actually is where the EPA steps up to defend the MTBE industry so the American people don’t find out that they did the exact opposite of what we hire them to do, make sure big corporations don’t pollute our lives making us sick killing us.

Look at the Enron logo of a big “E” that stood outside their headquarters in Houston before the company collapsed. It had green, red, and blue neon lights running around its borders. The first time I saw it, I thought it looked like a tilted cityscape. After I learned how MTBE causes earthquakes, I saw it from different perspective, like buildings falling over. Look at the word Enron, how it resembles end-run.

Look at Dell computers logo, how the “E” is cocked on it’s side the same way the Enron E is.

Dell produced most of the computers that would have crashed if the Y2K virus had its way with us. Look at how the E could be a logo symbol for the letters V and E, which could be interpreted to spell DEVLL. Look what happens when I use a small L for the first L in DELL – it spells DEVlL. If this means anything to you, then you can’t overlook the fact that both companies opened at the same time in the same state of Texas using the same cocked E. I don’t know of any other company that uses it this same way. I don’t think there are any. If there are, I would be curious how they fit into this E-vil game.

Consequences or sequences

This could all be written off as a lot of coincidences if it weren’t for all the lies mixed in with them. The lies make it look like whoever is behind all this is an idiot if they don’t have master plan to go with it. I personally think the master plan is pretty damn ridiculous but at least it’s there. But what would be their motive for making all these idiotic seeming coincidental mistakes and then having to lie to support them if all they are is innocent stupidity? What’s the motive for screwing up everything? You could say to make money but all these companies are already making money, in fact they would own the world except they’re risk getting caught with in all these flim-flam con games that could all blow up in their face, that are falling apart on them now.

Why would the United Bank of Switzerland secure a trillion dollar loan to build MTBE refineries when all it would take would be the truth to come out about how bad it is to cause the whole industry to cave in on itself? Do you know how hard it is to get a business loan, how much work has to be done to show that an investment will be lucrative without a lot of fallout coming from lawsuits. And that’s just in order to get to get a 100,000 or million dollar loan. This was a trillion dollar loan, a thousand-million dollars, that was lent after it was published in The Washington’s Times how it would pollute groundwater wherever it was used.

Do you think the cigarette industry could get a loan to build a worldwide infrastructure to sell cigarettes containing tobacco laced with poisonous additives to make smokers more addicted if smoking wasn’t already an age old tradition? No way. But MTBE was known to have worse consequences than cigarettes before the loan was taken out. And that’s just from what I read in The Washington Times. Think about what we could find out if we sent Erin Brockovich in to check out what was in the files that UBS was looking at when it authorized the loan. I would have to say there would have obviously been something there that insured it never made its way onto a loan officers desk, unless of course there was more to its design for use than meets the eye that would bring back heavier returns on their investment than they could have gotten anywhere else.

UBS trillion dollar loan and economy collapsing now

Look at where the money came from. It was stolen from the fallen Soviet Unions treasury at the end of the cold war by the KGB. It was the Russian Mafia’s start up capitol, its buy in to our corrupt capitalist system. In fact it was basically worthless money at the time because their ruble wasn’t worth anything anymore. And it didn’t go towards building MTBE refineries. They didn’t need a trillion dollars to get the industry started, they just needed an excuse to flush that money through Wall Street to make it worth something. In fact it’s the same money that created the bubble that’s bursting now and screwing up the economy.

Banks need real money to lend money. They can lend ten dollars for every real dollar they have in their vault, or that’s all they are supposed to lend. That trillion dollars was turned into ten trillion dollars and then to over 30 trillion dollars as it kept being lent out through a system that anyone who was an insider on this MTBE/fake end of the world plan had access to. That trillion dollars was used to prop up a free money cash flow machine that tens of trillions of dollars to flowed through that was never supposed be paid back because the Y2K virus was going to wipe the slate clean. But since their plan was ambushed, it’s all crashing in on them, and us to.

Where would the world be without me?

What would’ve happened if I hadn’t figured out that MTBE was causing the drought in 1999 and called a reporter from The Washington Times about it? I guess there’s no way to know without forcing the truth out of the people behind it all. But I know what could have happened. When MTBE, or ethanol, use is stopped in the summer, the long hot days allow for the warm clouds of gas and water vapor to settle slowing back to earth. This without a doubt causes a lot of problems.

But when the days are short and cold, it comes crashing back to earth with blizzards and ice storms added to the list of cataclysmic events it causes, and it all happens very fast. It acts like a hot air balloon that all of a sudden gets cold, it drops like hammer made of ice. And of course the Y2K virus would have followed. This would have caused the human race to erupt into chaos which only could have been solved by creating a one world government, military, and bank. And if enough people believed the end of the world had come, a one world church also.

But with Bill Clinton flinching in July of 1999 when I got a reporter to start asking questions around Washington about MTBE causing the drought, when MTBE was taken out of gasoline, there wasn’t enough time to put it back in fuel supplies to get enough water vapor back up into the atmosphere to cause any problems by the time they were supposed to stop using it as winter set in so they could make us think the end of the world had arrived. That left them with only the Y2K virus.

Without the blizzards and ice storms, floods, drought, tornadoes, and earthquakes, it wouldn’t have looked like the end of the world no matter how bad things got. We would have seen it as manmade and eventually figured out what they had done. I mean the Y2K virus was supposed to have been caused by programmers having forgotten to set up the original “Microsoft Disk Operating System” (MS-DOS) to accommodate the year 2000. They were supposed to have forgotten to put a rollover for the 1 and the 9 so they could change to a 2 and an 0. I never bought that it was real, even outside of the fact that I knew it wasn’t. It would mean they made the 1 and 9 symbols instead of numbers on a counter. It doesn’t make any sense that anyone would do that.

Look at the Microsoft logo. It looks like the E’s from DELL and Enron only having fallen over. It’s a flag in the wind, or is it the earth’s plates with cities on top of them rolling like tsunami waves.

MTBE and the bible

This is serious business. Look at what the bible says in The Book of Revelation’s chapter 13 about 666, how everyone will get it tattooed on their foreheads or right hand. Look at the hard drive of a computer, it has heads. Most of the ones I have laying around here have 16 heads. 16 is 4 times 4. Although they say they have 16 heads on the stickers on the hard drives, in truth they only have four, two sets on each side of the hard drive disk, two to read with, like you read with your eyes in your forehead, and two to write with, like you do with your hand, your write hand.

The point is that the mark of the beast is 666. 666.666 times 3 is the year 1999.9999, midnight at the millennium change when the Y2K virus was supposed to strike. But Y2K passed without one computer glitch. You could attribute it to work done to prevent anything from happening before the last stroke of the clock in the 20th century. But reports before it came and went were that no one knew what was going to happen or if Y2K was ever a threat in the first place. Of course they had to be able to say this in case they were forced to stand down, like they were, so they had a way out.

If however I hadn’t done what I did to prevent the apocalyptic MTBE layup to the Y2K end of the world from taking place, by the time December 31, 1999 got here, there already would’ve been a lot of people thinking it was the end of the world. Y2 K would have simply boosted their fears so they busted out into the streets. Since MTBE caused the disasters, it could be controlled just like Y2K related problems where the social chaos they caused could have been directed towards areas that threatened a future New World Order. Since Americans would have been the biggest obstacle to a one world government, there would’ve already be in place social instruments that would have insured we would have ravaged ourselves out of existence.

Gnashing of Teeth

By the night of the millennium change, thousands of heavily armed factions from differing beliefs systems and races would have been primed to give their future masters just what they wanted. The right wing militias would have gone to war with Black gangsters. They were all well armed with military assault weapons and been itching for an excuse to throw down on each other for many years. Hispanics with their heavy Catholic belief system would have gotten drawn into the fray taking a stand for God and Jesus. Riots would have been set off around the world. A one-world-military would’ve been formed to stop what would’ve been so confusing it couldn’t have been defined as a war.

Bye then, there wouldn’t have been much left of the US. But everyone who would’ve been a threat to the future of the new world order would have killed themselves off. Peace would have been lead by a prophet who deciphered the meaning of what happened as God unleashing His anger against the human race for not obeying the Laws of Moses and recognizing Jews as his chosen people. Since Jews already run most of the governments if the world and the banking systems that support their economies, they would have stayed where they were while the rest of us learned to conform to mandates to rebuild the world by their design.

I don’t mean that last statement as an indictment against Jews. The whole story is evidence that everyone including the Jews got sucked into a plan that dates back to hundreds, maybe even thousands of years ago.

Look at this: Check out how the Book of Revelations in the Bible talks about Angels poisoning the planet to cause earthquakes, floods, and drought. Read about MTBE lighting the skies on fire, about dragons rising from the ocean. It’s all there.

It’s hard to read the Bible because it’s written hard to read. But if you read it a few times, you’ll find it’s telling an ancient version of the same story that I am. I know because the first time I read it, when I was in an isolation cell in the Fairfax County jail for kicking a food tray on a guard, I figured it out. This was in 1982. No one had heard of MTBE back then.

All they let me have while being punished was a Bible. So I read it over and over. As I did, the words started forming a realistic picture. Later when I was returned to population, one night when sitting up with the hall guard in the middle of the night debating politics, I told him what I thought, that leading up to the year 2000, a gasoline additive would come out that was made from ether and natural gas, the ether to weaken Americans will to fight for freedom, and the methane to cause what seemed like apocalyptic natural disasters.

My friend the Sheriff

He wasn’t happy being part of a corrupt justice system. He was going to quite working for the sheriffs department. But I taught him how to fight back. He’s now the sheriff and tries whenever he can to use his office to help prisoners better themselves while standing up to crooked judges and prosecutors who try to overcrowd the jails so they qualify for federal relief money that translate into millions of dollars a year.

He remembers the story I told him. He acknowledged to me when MTBE came out that I had been right. Then he used the plan I gave him to get into a respectable position of authority. One day when the world finally takes stock in my story, he will tell his story. It’s important because it validates how I figured this all out and used what I learned to stop it, that it wasn’t an accident or a sequence of coincidences but deliberative, not only on my part but on those who set it up.

Look at chapter 9 of the Book of Revelations where an Angel opens a bottomless pit where smoke comes out to darken the sun and air. Then locusts come out of the smoke who have power like scorpions. But they don’t hurt grass or anything green, only men who don’t have a mark on their forehead who are tormented for five days. They make men want to die but they aren’t be able to. It makes me wonder if some insane banker read the bible and came up with this fake end of the world plan.

The locusts are said to be like horses with crowns of gold and faces like men. Sounds like a car with an engine driven by horsepower and someone driving it. It says they’ll have breastplates of iron with the sound of their wings beating like chariots being pulled by many horses. Finally the author, who wrote this from inside a Roman prison a hundred years after Jesus had been murdered, while sounding like he’s referring to exhaust pipes pumping MTBE into the air says “And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.”

In chapter 16, Angels pour many different versions of vials full of terror and death on us, all of which sound in one way or another like the problems that MTBE cause. Chapter 9 finishes with four Angels being “prepared for an hour, a day, a month, and a year”, which interests me because an hour has sixty minutes, then sixty seconds in each minute, and sixty moments in every second, like three 6’s, but also like a countdown to 1999.999. It goes on to talk about an army of two hundred thousand-thousand horsemen with riders who have breastplates of fire and “jacinth, and brimstone.” Brimstone is another word for sulfur.

Gasoline with high sulfur contents cause catalytic converters to produce high amounts of nitrous oxide. MTBE and ethanol both cause high emissions of sulfur. Nitrous oxide is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2 exceeding its dangers by 300 times. No testing has been done by the EPA to show how anhydrous ethanol and MTBE increase emissions of nitrous oxide, which is laughing gas, a neurotoxin, while we’re made to think CO2 is causing climate changes that are going to lead to a global meltdown. Drew Sindell of NASA who was awarded as one of the top scientists in the world in 2004 for his work as a climatologist says CO2 has nothing to do with changing weather patterns, in fact I have email from him that directly spells it out. Even Al Gore’s lead climate adviser James Hansen says the same thing, or course he only does this when the truth about it looks like it’s going to come out. When it doesn’t, he goes back to talking about CO2.

“Jacinth” refers to one of twelve stones in a Jewish Rabbi’s breastplate, the last one. It’s orange/red in color like the glow that comes from a catalytic converter on an exhaust system. The twelve stones are like twelve hours on a clock with this one being last so it would be the 12 for high noon and midnight. Then there’s the meaning of “the number of the army of the horsemen (who wore the breastplates) were two hundred thousand-thousand.” Is “two hundred thousand-thousand” referring to years? Is the year 2000 somehow being referred to here? It sure seems to be part of the equation interpreted by someone looking for it to mean what they wanted it to mean when putting together this plan to take over the world.

It goes on to say “and the heads of the horses (like heads on top of an engine) were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone”. The meaning could be self evident with lions being referred to as the Lions of Judah, or Zionist Jews. The bible fixates around Jews so if their prophecies were going to be the center of a worldwide church after a fake end of the world, it has to lead back to them somehow. But that doesn’t mean they are behind it, not all of them. In fact a recent study came out that shows how the Jews who run the state of Israel now are not at all related to the Jews who once ruled the Holy Land, the Palestinians are.

It shows how after Jewish royalty was run out of Jerusalem by the Roams in AD 70, they took their cult wherever they could find populations to follow them. But the orthodox Jews who farmed the land stayed. Later they become Muslims when the new religion swept through the land. The founders of Israel claim to be related by blood to the Jews exiled by the Romans that once lived there. But the truth is the Palestinians they took the land from to found the state of Israel on in 1947, who they keep in prison camps, are the true inheritors of the land of Israel that God gave to them. Those ones running it are simply Europeans who think they are Jews claiming a royal blood connection like Jesus had to king Solomon.

Orthodox Jews do not believe in a king, they only serve God. This issue has always divided Jews where whenever there is a king of the Jews, the orthodox Jews don’t accept him. So they are banished to serve the kingdom from positions of poverty. The state of Israel now is simply a restatement of how royal Jews have always treated those who follow God as their only ruler.

Ethanol and the Mayans

In chapter 14 of The Book of Revelations, 144,000 Christians have their fathers name written on their foreheads. I never paid much attention to this number until a couple of years ago when researching correlation’s between ancient South American cultures like the Mayans and where our civilization grew out of, Iraq, or what was then Mesopotamia.

The Mayan calendar begins in 3113 BC, around the same time our civilization’s origins began in the region later called Babylon, which is now around Baghdad. The Mayan calendar ends in 2012 on December 21, in just a few years. This period of 5125 years between 3113 BC and 2012 AD is a complete Mayan solar calendar and is actually relevant to how long we cycle through the Milky Way. It’s similar to the way the earth travels around the sun once a year.

On December 21, 2012, our solar system will be parallel with the rest of the universe. So what right? But how did these Ancient people know this? I mean South America is not conducive to stargazing like in the Middle East.

The Mayans had many calendars, some lunar and some solar. In a lunar calendar, there are 13 evenly divided months with 28 days between each new moon with one day left over in every year. To the Mayans, 13 was a big number. 5125 years, which is called a Great Cycle, breaks down like this – There are 13 baktuns in a Great Cycle. A baktun contains 144,000 days. There are thirteen days in a Mayan week so there are 144,000 weeks in a great cycle.

The stories from the bible originated from Mesopotamia where Abraham was from, which is also where the story of Noah comes from. In the bible, Noah is Abraham’s father or grandfather, depending on who you’re talking to. But the origins of the story of Noah go back to the “Epic of Gilgamesh” which is amongst the earliest supposed fictional writings in human history. Also among those earliest writings is a story about what’s referred to as the Tablets of Destiny owned by the God Enlil, who is El, the first God of the Hebrews, the God of Abraham, the God from the Bible. A raven God ,who is also Tiamat, a python or dragon Goddess, steals the tablets,.

The tablets themselves were basically manuals on how to build an empire with instructions for how to do everything from how to weave baskets to how to produce arms, fortresses, how to establish and running a military force, how to manage society through religion, and even how to run brothels. They were written in wet clay that was red on the outside and white on the inside. Bones were used to press out the spelling of words. The bone went through the outside layer of red clay to the white clay so when it dried, it could be easily read. Then the tablets were dried. No one was allowed to see them but the king, or God.

This is where the story of Adam and Eve comes from with the apple being the Tablets of Destiny that were stolen from God. So Tiamat, or Eve, or Evil, or dEVIL, used the tablets to build a civilization to rival the one that was already there, which her kingdom was Babylon. A God named Marduk destroyed Babylon taking back the Tablets of Destiny. An ancient Sumerian king Marduk from the same time period had a lunar calendar that was the same as the Mayans based in time segments of the number 13.

The Mayans used corn for everything, they even worshiped it as their most honored God. I can’t imagine they didn’t know how to make liquor from it. So they must have figured out that it burns. In the regions around Iraq, it’s well known that since the dawn of time, oil and natural gas have been used for many purposes. It had to have been because it’s everywhere bubbling up out of the sands even burning naturally for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years.

So here we are at the end of the world with two of the same kinds of calendars and two gasoline additives being used to simulate a prophetic apocalypse, one made from fossil fuels and the other made from corn. We had one failed end of the world that was planned around a calendar that appears to be illegitimate. And we have a prophesied war between 144,000 followers of a rightful God against the heresy of Babylon like The Book of Revelations says in chapter 14 “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads”.

Black Africans from the Land of Punt

If you take a really hard look back at ancient history, when you come across the part about people from the Land of Punt, or Land of God, who taught the Egyptians everything they knew about how to build an empire, who then the Egyptians inspired the Greeks, after which Rome took over lead from the Greeks, and later gave birth to Christianity whose influence pushed its way across Europe until we found the Americas creating something we as commoners had never experienced before, freedom, something Jesus seemed to have first talked about, you have to admit that our civilizations roots grew out of African, not the Mediterranean.

Of course when you come across accounts of a 70,000 year old giant python carving in a cave in the Kalahari Desert that has a cut out for a priest to hide in to be the voice of the snake, you’ll quickly realize that the western version of history that claims organized religion was invented 40,000 ago is a bit slanted to make it look like human intelligence was a white man’s invention. It’s the kind of things that really brings home something a lot of white people simply may never accept, that we are all African Americans.

No matter how your belief system allows you to think God made Adam people from dirt, like a clay tablet, and Eve from Adam’s rib, like the bone used to write the words of God in clay to create the world, or was it word, in seven days, the truth is we all evolved from Black Africans. White people are Africans with skin that has grown pale when migrating to other parts of the world. When a white person looks at a Black person, they’re looking at their forefathers.

But then the same balance can be said for Blacks who want to forever see white people as evil slave owners. Slavery started in Africa as did these cultural religious beliefs that lead to this fake end of the world. In fact slavery still exists in Africa with the industry being run by Blacks the same way it was when white people started buying them and dragging them all over the planet to do their work for them. Whites had only ever made slaves of each other before that. All peoples have been slaves of their own race. Until this country began the pretense that there was something called freedom that all people had a right to have a stake in, it only ever existed for royalty. Now that we’ve had a taste of what it is supposed to taste like, I say we try sampling the real deal and keep it for ourselves. Read on and find out how.

911

Mary Magdalene is said to have been a Black African from Ethiopian royalty, which the Land of Punt is in Ethiopia. In fact Puntland separated from Ethiopia in 1998, just before the end of the millennium when this New World Order plan began to seriously unfold. In the Ethiopian Christian Coptic calendar, one of the first Christian churches which is said to have been formed when Mary Magdalene lived there after Jesus was crucified before she fled to Europe, the new millennium, unlike ours which came in the year 2000, which is supposed to be 2000 years after Jesus was born, didn’t start until last year, on September 11, 2007, 7 years after the tribulation was to begin. Tribulations is supposed to be seven years of extreme chaos that follow after the end of the world begins, a battle between dark and white forces that ends with a thousands years of peace after Satan is cast in chains into a bottomless pit.

Look at what happened on September 11, 1990 as the Clean Air Act was being passed requiring MTBE be added to gasoline while we got ready to invade Kuwait to chase Saddam Hussien back to Iraq. On 9/11/1990 the first George Bush president gave a speech where he first talked about a coming “New World Order” and a program he called “Thousand Points of Light” that was going to usher in a new age. He’s still never explained what he meant when he talked about his “New World Order” and “Thousand Points of Light” programs.

Look at how the bible says that the end of the world will come with seven years of tribulations which is said to begin with earthquakes and great floods which is then followed by a thousand year of peace. The Ethiopian Coptic calendar which dates back to a the earliest Christian traditions founded by Marry Magdalene who is said to have been Jesus wife who bore him children. She is supposed to have returned to her native Ethiopia before she migrated to France to marry her children into royal families beginning a secret royal bloodline of Jesus ancestors. The new millennium for Coptic Ethiopians started on September 11, 2007. This would have been seven years after the tribulation that was supposed to start on January 1, 2000.

“Holy Blood, Holy Grail” documents the story of Jesus’ royal heritage, the first one of many books on the topic written throughout history but the first one to receive enough attention to make the issue of Jesus marriage a serious topic of debate. The book came out at the same time DELL computers and Enron were being formed in Texas. It ends documenting evidence of a French secret society called the Priore de Sion that still exists today who follow a tradition that’s supposed to end in the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon to fulfill ancient Jewish Biblical prophecy called the End of Days. Under this scenario, Jerusalem is to become the capitol of the world.

The Templar’s

The Priore de Sion is known to have been behind the creation of a group of knights called the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar are the founding fathers of the worlds capitalists banking system. They are believed to have gotten the wealth that they capitalized their banking system with by digging up a treasure under the Temple of Solomon. They are supposed to have known it was there after having passed its whereabouts down from generation to generation through secret story telling traditions of the kabala using Tarot cards as a guide. This art came to France with Mary Magdalene.

When they were chased underground by the king of France and pope Innocent II for heresy, they emerged as Freemasons, a secret society that George Washington and most of our other founding father were members of along with much of the British army who we fought to gain independence from Britain. In fact Christopher Columbus worked for the head of the Priore de Sion attacking Spanish ships before he partnered with the queen of Spain, Isabella, to later discover the Americas using maps that were buried with the treasure that the Templar’s dug up at the Temple of Solomon ruins hundreds of years earlier.

This whole story ties together centered around an ancient worldwide empire that was technically sophisticated enough to cause the first global warming, the flood of Noah. We’re simply being used as pawns in a plan rebuild it and put the families that used to rule it back in power. But now the plan has come apart with its coordinators having run out of options for how to get it back on track while those who designed it have been dead for too long to consider them as opponents or alleys by anyone alive. We’re simply all stuck in their broken machine while I try to figure out how to push this story out in the open so those who want to keep it secret are forced to make a move.

I think it was state taxes. He was in state prison, sorry. He said it was a business asset tax. I don’t know much about taxes except that I have never paid any, except sales taxes. I never made enough money. I got sick drinking polluted well water just before I got my business grown into a position to owe Uncle Sam my money. If nothing else, MTBE gave me the ability to say I have never contributed to supporting this government.

Whatever – I don’t think I would have minded if they hadn’t poisoned me with MTBE in the first place. Now, hell will have to freeze over before they ever get a dime out of me. I shit you not, before I am through, the IRS will be no more, unless somehow an argument I agree with can support why it should stay, which I don’t think one can.

I am thinking of turning it into something like the census bureau where all we do is report what we make and how we spend it to them so they can make it available for business to help better forecasts what the markets will do. It is all they should really be doing but the way they have it set up, everyone cheats so even the information they do get is worthless.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

And I’m said to be “long-winded”?!! From the world’s top brick layer’s helper to the Land of Punt in four or five thousand easy steps. I am humbled. Let me assure the rest of you that I did not knowingly run for the job of NVTH town mayor. I don’t know what Blagovich got out of the deal, but it all came as a surprise to me.

From a guy who mixed the mortar, filled FIVE blocklayers troughs, and still made time to “shake” their troughs every second trip….I call bullshit.
I was the best.
And back in 1983, I made $10 because the boss DID let two other fellows go.

So what are you even doing here? Isn’t there a blog for whiners who can’t find a point to make that is relevant? I wonder Phil Gramm visited this place before he slipped and called Americans complainers. I wonder if there are a lot of serious people in this town who came here once thinking this blog was about something and you chased them off.

I see that you actually used to have meetings until a couple years ago. What happened?

I know what happened, the same thing that always happens when something attracts attention. It goes well at first until an inner core of idiots establishes themselves as the governing body that decides who is in and who is out. It’s like what happens with middle school chick clicks where the ones who are most insecure create this inpenetratable circle that they only let in other like them, or those who want to fall behind them in a social pecking order.

But then as college ends and everyone goes out into the work force, there are still those who never got to be stuck up snobs because they were the ones who were never allowed into the inner circles, and then there are those that never grow out of this kind of childish behavior. They go onto join groups like this and establish themselves in positions of power where they get to be the ones who are stupid and weird right out where everyone can see them but they have no conscience about what they do because have the support of their cult following.

One of you said it best when you claimed I have too strong of an ego. That’s when I figured out you were a cult. That’s what cults do, attack the individual to try to break them down so they feel isolated and vulnerable. Then they befriend them, of course with the condition that they believe as taught based on faith in principles that although would not make sense to the rest of the world, is believed by the followers. But followers of who? It must be Rush Limbaugh.

I encounter this stupid shit whenever I get near groups that call themselves conservatives. But I know a lot of conservative minded people and they don’t have a social disorder that requires they act like assholes 24/7. So this must be the problem with the conservative movement, every time someone starts a campaign towards actually practicing conservative principles like our forefather inspired us to, you smucks take over the front and center of the “arena of ideas” and chase everyone away with your bugger/fart ideologies. Hmm. That’s good to know.

Digging a little deeper, if my memory recalls, this is what lead to the downfall of the liberal movement, the crushing of new ideas, one sided debates, wacky ideas meant more to prove who is loyal enough to follow them, stupid shit like that. So Rush has inspired a generation of activists who combat brainwashing with brainwashing, which did get rid of those ridiculous liberals. But no one thought to reach back into the ranks and deprogram you guys. So you are like Japanese soldiers stuck on islands in the south pacific who think the war is still being fought.

But then Rush thinks this is so himself, which means he is leading an army of misfits and robots against a liberal movement that not only doesn’t exist anymore, their forces have regrouped while learning from their past mistakes. Now they’re building a new arsenal of weapons using new technologies while you’re left in old trenches on fields that the battle moved on from years ago. And you are using the weapons that they lost the previous war with. This is fascinating, a remarkable observation of historical socio human events.

It’s like what’s going on with the world’s economy. The US has always stayed in the lead many leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else because we learned the secret truth to how to build a the most powerful economic force in the world from our forefathers, integrity and transparency. So we’ve always stayed ahead of everyone else because the core of how the rest of them do business is corrupt. Now the core of how we do business is also corrupt. But we have traditionally been less corrupt than the rest while doing a better job of hiding the crimes our leaders commit in the financial markets.

But now the rest of the world is starting to figure it out. I think India let the cat out of the bag when they saw their markets surge every time they applied a new integrity driven transparent and straight forward policy. Now everyone is following suit which is having the effect of exposing our weaknesses as they catch up with us. Fascinating.

This blog is like a microcosm of the world’s economy, a historical antiquity. You should all stay just the way you are so we can build a museum around NOVATownHall.com.

I’m going over to the other side today. The BAR is a great rifle but think I might do better with some newer smarter technologies.

Written by G. Stone about 8 years ago.

Most of Bobby’s ramblings can be boiled down to just a few things.

Hey look at me.
Take off that tie and do some real work
Weird obsession with Rush
Tampons
Faggots ( his word , not mine, I am just reporting here )
Conspiracy upon conspiracy
Hey look at me some more
Hey let’s talk about me
Myans
Global warming is really all about cow farts
Conservatism is a cult
The Lorton Show
The Knights Templar
Hey let’s talk about me some more
Everyone is an African American
The mark of the beast

The only thing missing is The council on Foreign Relations, The Pope, Free Masons and the complete library of Oliver Stone movies.

Bobby F,
“It’s like everything is personal with you guys, and even the gals.”
Look in the mirror for a moment. You cuss at us. You threaten, you belittle. You talk passed. Of all of the above only the last is excusable. Then you say we get personal?

As for the whining, the only one doing so is you. We are not required to agree with you inchoate ramblings, you seem to take our disagreement personally. Well, to bad. You have no right to expect anyone to agree, and until you say something sensible we won’t. Who died and made you king?

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

G- you left out the MTBE obsession.. Wonder how and when he drank that cocktail..

Written by Cathymac about 8 years ago.

BF’s obsession with women’s cycles is disturbing. I have yet to read all the way through even one post (without my eyes glazing over) and have seen it mentioned at least 3 times.

It means he’s a misogynistic liberal…the guys that are REALLY screwed up and unable to relate to the 21st century. By their very nature, they’re unprepared for it.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Joe —

After many years of being obliged to read things that most people would not want to read, I reverted to my old self and ploughed through some other stuff on the net. I don’t know whether some of this stuff was actually transmitted to the people to whom it was addressed, but the fact remains that it is on public view on the net. Without going into detail and if some of this stuff was actually communicated to the individuals named therein, it is rather easy for me to guess in which Bureau and Secret Service files it might be found.

In my book the word “entertainment” no longer applies here, unless you wish to have this blog acquire a certain risable reputation. I am as much a believer in free speech as any man; but, in this case, I do recommend you claim the right of blog ownership, locate the delete button, and start using it. Of course, you might hesitate when reminded that this guy has a massive secret organization out there poised to bring down every political and economic power structure that exists, including all those Nazis running the CIA, not to mention the IRS, the corporate world, ad nauseum. Seems to me that about the only current societal entity not in his proclaimed target list is old Sheriff Joe. Maybe not even this guy can swallow the idea of pink undies and bologna sandwiches.

I will do a check for offensiveness – as you know we grant a fairly wide latitude here especially during Amnesty Week.

If there is anything posted here that you think rises to the level of actual attention from official government agencies, please point it out in a comment or send me an e-mail. Obviously I have not read everything.

We have managed to have wide open discussions here without breaking any laws and certainly won’t change that for the benefit of anyone, amnesty aside.

By the way, I am not concerned about potential “risible” reputation, as you should know by now. Sometimes, because none of the regular bloggers has wherewithal to post with any frequency, we have to take whatever content we can get and this is one of those times. The front page gets so stale that traffic to the site drops like a rock (we were back to 2006 levels and falling further).

Joe, buddy, I’d say the woof was likely on the right path here. Your task, should choose to accept it, is to disengage as delicately as possible with poor troubled Bobby.

And they don’t call it Mission Impossible for nuthin’.

A good idea might be to pass the baton to another Amnesty blogger so that equal time can be paid, as is only fair. It’s been great to learn about Bobby’s ideas and worldview. And now we turn to _____________ for another perspective. As is only fair.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Joe —

Amnesty Week on NVTH is a first for me. That said, there was nothing on the blog outside of Question 6 which might meet the criteria. I was referring to some of the stuff elsewhere. BF was right on one thing. He came very close to the line on Question 6, especially in this day and age. If he actually sent that thing, I have news for him. The last people around here you want to play games with are the members of our very good and very attentive Secret Service. I worked with them on occasion. In my personal book, they are the best of the best.

In any case, it looks to me like BF may be self-deleting. A signifant concession from a chap who told Phil Gramm: “I am the guy who brought down Enron” and advises us all of “…my plan to bring down all the secret societies of the world along with the wealth and power structures that support them.” I can’t imagine going on a TV show and trying to debate with that!

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

The last sentence in the “farewell address.” Given all the visceral crap he has on the net, he had better just be yanking chains.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

And now I remember a couple of proposals to take the TV show downtown to participate in the inauguration festivities. How does that mix get ya?

Darn, Joe, couldn’t you get Puffalump to post something. At least he’s close to sane.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

by ‘rules’ don’t you mean ‘laws’? there really are no ‘laws’ in economics as there are in physics, the fields aren’t similar at all.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

el jefe, I for one have never heard of the “The rule of supply and demand”.. you ?

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

danny boy, supply and demand is not a scientific law like gravity. jacob’s comparison of economics to physics in this way misguided.

and why does this bobby guy get to post. when is amnesty week, no one is talking about the palestinians and their human right to bear arms!

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

el jefer,

“The rules of economics are similar to physics. Wishing they were otherwise will not change them.”

Didn’t say it was. Did you take mine and jacob’s remarks out of their intended context ? I suspect so.. Jacob’s remark is a construct referred to as a simile. Ask your mayor if you want to know more about laws and how they work, sorry, couldn’t resist..

I’l defer to Joe on the bobby guy question. Why don’t you make the Palestinian case ? The human, rather natural right, is the right of self defense is it not ?

El Jefe, this is amnesty era, it would seem. Contact Joe. Bobby is a dangerously psychotic. . .well. . .at least delusional dude in Lorton with some really genius material, albeit heavy on the rumination (as nearly all madness is). But yeah, you should read his request for a pardon from President (insert) on “Question 6″. He notes that at one point he wrote a letter to Phil Gramm stating he would kill him and was thus arrested and placed in Federal Prison. Also something having to do with being taken to court by a woman for stalking, a woman who he then “realized” was his “partner in crime”, according to Bobbo, in getting the word out in public record by having him arrested. She seemed like a team player and so he thus devised a plot to kidnap her and drive her into Florida, in order to create a stir which would make the 2000 election go the way he wanted. . .which, I’ll inform you, was towards the way of Bush Jr. so that Bush Jr. would make a mess of everything and Bobbaloney could say, “see, I told you so, sucka” all the while, puffing on his QP spliff.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

danny boy, so i guess by similar i guess you mean completely different.

the mayor here is a joke. i didn’t vote for her. but i prefer her to our city council president.

the palestinian case is pretty easy to make using the gun lovers logic. isn’t the reasoning of the human right to bear arms your right to protect yourself from your land being confiscated by the gov’t, esp one that does not let you vote. so the palestinians have every right to fight israel.

el jefe,
“jacob’s comparison of economics to physics in this way misguided.”
Actually boy, the analogy is very apt. I spend time, resources, and energy to make something. You spend money to buy that something. The purchase contract is the legality. The result is a transfer of power (energy over time) from the seller to the purchaser, in exchange for coin.

What do you think you are getting when you buy food? Clothing? Tools? Fuel for your car? In each case you are buying energy. It took someone else time to gather that energy. The physics analogy get’s better the more I think about it.

What is your basis? How do you describe economics? What else is barter other than an exchange of effort? My effort in getting a dear for your effort in gathering nuts and berry’s. That was the start, everything since has been variations on that very theme. Yes, throw in a lot of foolishness for spice, but economics is really is just the study of how people exchange various amounts of time, effort and material.

Do think this is just a game some yahoo game up with 10K year ago? Or is the basis kisses and hugs with a rousing round of kumbayaa? Except all those evil greedy people want too many kisses and do not want to sing?

el jefe,
as for …
‘no one is talking about the palestinians and their human right to bear arms!’
and
‘the palestinian case is pretty easy to make using the gun lovers logic. isn’t the reasoning of the human right to bear arms your right to protect yourself from your land being confiscated by the gov’t, esp one that does not let you vote. so the palestinians have every right to fight israel.’

they don’t have the right to launch 3000+ rocket salvos into homes, kindergartens bus stops etc. The people who ‘stole’ the land did so three generations ago. If you are not totally full of crap then apply the same rule to yourself. That is right, give back your parcel to the local Algonquians, and go back to what ever euro-trash hovel/cesspool your antecedents crawled out of.

There are miles of difference between insurrection and self defense and the wanton killing of children and civilians. Therefore when you equate a yeoman gun owner, with some lowlife who attacks unarmed women and chilren, only shows you are sorrowfully disconnected from reality and civility. Such bile is fighting words you maggot.

I am forced to come to the conclusion that your idiotic comparison is the result of a diseased mind. You obviously do not see the the light and are in need of fresh air. So as the Great Stone would put it … you got your head up your *ss.

Dan,
I have always heard it referred to as the LAW of supply and demand. Maybe we should compare economics textbooks. Actually, Thomas Sowell’s recent tome on the topic is complete, Jack is coming over to watch the Eagles and Giants play on Sunday. I will ask him to bring his copy and see what Dr Sowell has to say.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

wow, jacob, i love it when i offend you, it becomes personal immediately. in the killing of women and children, i’m sure none of the hundreds of palestinians that have died are women and children. talk about having your head up your a** you idiot. i believe at last count there have been more deaths due to homicide in b*more this year than israelis that have died in this conflict. yet somehow this justifies killing over 500 people? you also seem to equate all palestinians to hamas, that’s the mind of biggot and probably what makes the dismissing of the deaths of innocent people that much easier. i think your comparison of the palestinians to native americans is far more apt than physics and economics. of course, the us has recognized the mistreatment of native americans. and how is it that you think that palestianians returning immediately equals israeli’s leaving?

el jefe,
‘i’m sure none of the hundreds of palestinians that have died are women and children.’
When the terrorists are shooting from inside school grounds, hospitals, mosques what are the Israelis to do? Oh. I know, just sit back and get driven into the sea. You imbecile, your mendacity is obvious. A Jew who is killed is just a Jew. The Palestinians tolerate, house, finance the scum amidst them. They voted for these dirt-bags.

I was offended before because you compared Americans who own guns to those bastards. That you are too stupid to realize that some things are best not said then fine. You are an idiot. And yes, you head is up you *ss.

As for the peoples republic of Baltimore, 216 where murdered in 2008, so I see you are full of it on another plane as well. Three words ‘get a clue’.

First of all, Hamas sanctions, finances and enables the rocket attacks. As the elected representatives of the Gaza Palestinians, they in effect waged war by hiding behind their own women and children while aiming at Jewish women and children. Only a blind, sanctimonious, bigoted *ss such as yourself would equate a government attacking the citizen of its neighbors to the gang violence in Baltimore. That you don;t see this confirms … you got your head up your *ss.

So, when are you buying you ticket back to your hovel in Europe? Come on. I am sure that we can get a collection so cost is not an issue. By your yardstick we stole the land, like those nasty Jews in Israel. Who by the way, up until 1948 where in the process of buying land. Buying is a legal contract and not an act of theft.

That all ended in 1948 when the 400,000 Jews in Palestine where attacked by a few million of their Arab neighbors. You might have heard of this. The Palestinians who left at the beginning of this, expected to come back behind the ‘conquering armies’. The ARAB world then held those Arabs in camps. And wrote laws forbidding their assimilation. But you wrote …
‘isn’t the reasoning of the human right to bear arms your right to protect yourself from your land being confiscated by the gov’t, ‘

You are pathetic. The Jews where attacked only because … THEY WHERE THERE! You have a much better chance making the case that we ‘stole’ this land from the Indians. As that is the guess you song should be ‘I’m a leaving on a jet plane …’

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

get driven into the sea, by rockets? the palestinian fighters? jacob, our discussions used to be civil, wtf?

read the posts, i’m not the one defending the killing of innocent people. if the palistinians were to adopt a non-violent resistance they would have much more of the worlds sympathy. killing innocent people is as hamas justifies is weak, cowardly, and evil. but you talk as though the israelis have no choice but to kill women and children, and this in resposne to very few israeli casualties. maybe you should extend this courntesy to the palestinians. if the palestinians killed 50 israeli civilians in an attack on 3 soilders, you would probably justify wiping the gazans off the map.

the palestinians aren’t permitted to return by the israelies so that israelies will dominate the elecotrate. are they suppsoed to just go to other arab nations just because some are the same ethnicity and religion?

hamas was elected, mostly because of the grotesque corruption of fatah. talk about sorry choice, like voting for either the mafia or the taliban. but palestinaians should be killed just because of who’s in office.

my original point was to see if you all really believe the right to bear arms to protect yourself as a human right.that would mean the palestinians have the right to bear arms and resist against the israelis.

but for someone as simple minded as you there is always a pure and true good guy and an evil bad guy. and i know for someone as emotional as you that you should be expected to read into my comments. and i know for someone as pathetcially angry as you it is a complusion to insult someone who disagrees with you. put all these things together, they do come out to being a bigot.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

el hefer,

If someone stores and launches rockets and missiles to kill your citizens from a school or place of worship, what choices do you have ?

The only reason that Israel is not one state is because there are more Arabs there than Jews. The dream of Israel to build a religious state was for it to be run by Jews. But if it was a true democracy, then it would be a Jewish state run by Muslims.

In the early years, the problems there now were encouraged to fester by way of desperate political tactics taken by Jews. In fact the Mossad, the Israeli secret service, founded Hezbollah covertly when the Arab world was primarily secular with Islamist extremists being a near irrelevant minority. This did two things, encouraged Arab moderate states to become Islamic religious states in the mistaken belief by Israel that religious states would be more tolerant of their own religious state at the same time creating a vacuum for Palestinian resistance that allowed for Israel to partition the land segregating Palestinians from being able to compete in Israeli elections until enough Jews immigrated to Israel so they could win all elections, which would then make them a legitimate democracy with the Palestinians available as a second class society of laborers to serve at the will of the Jews who ran the country.

But this flawed plan blew up in Israel’s face when the Islamist movement not only didn’t support a religious state of Israel, they also use their hatred of them and what they were doing to the Palestinians as campaign fodder to build their movement around. This made the Middle East such a disagreeable place to live that Jews failed to migrate there in high enough number making elections there winnable by Jews. So the problems initially created by Israel sits there festering year after year.

What El Jefe is saying is that violence is not Israel’s last defense against the Palestinian question because Israel could always try resorting to the truth about whether they are not a democracy and admit to decisions they made in the past that caused the circumstances that have made the region into such a hell hole. Then they could pull the Star of David off the flag and allow for real elections, which would moderate the Islamist movement to the point of being irrelevant because these facts, although ignored in the US, are well known in the Middle East where Islamism is seen as a necessary evil to hedge against future Israeli aggression. After all, they do have nuclear weapons and a modern military while acting as dictators in the region where anything they say is supposed to be believed, and often is by the rest of the world, even though there is not an ounce of truth to it.

What is most interesting about the way Israel lives in denial of how they have turned from Nazi victims into jackboot thugs themselves is that recent research done by Israeli Jews shows that not only are many of the Jews who came back to the Land of Milk and Honey riding a right of return platform after supposedly being exiled from there by the Romans a few thousands years ago. Israelis by and large claim they are actual descendent of the Sons of Abraham while it turns out that the Palestinians are actual blood relatives of the Jews who once ruled that land and the Israelis for the most part are not.

The study shows that unlike how Israeli Jews present their history, the fact is that the Romans did not exile the Jews from Israel at the end of the Jewish revolt in the first century. Once they had busted up the revolt lead by Zionists Jews descended from Solomon who disagreed with the Herodian appointed king of Israel whose only claim to being a Jew by blood was that his father had married a Jewish princess and then killed her. Many Jews hated him for that, especially the true descendents of Solomon, which Jesus was one of them in direct line for the throne of Israel while the revolt began at the same time he was crucified.

At the end of those turbulent times, the Jews around Jerusalem were rounded up and taken to Rome to build the great Roman coliseum. But the Jews in Canaan were orthodox farmers and tradesmen who did not support the Zionist movement and were left alone. So most of the tribe of Judah who supported the right of a Solomon heir to the throne of Israel were killed or driven into Europe where they preached their culture to other tribes who followed them in the belief that they were descendents from Abraham, which really before World War II, they did not hide that fact that they were Jewish converts. But after the holocaust, they needed an argument for “right of return” so they could be supported in displacing the Palestinians and the world let them have it ignoring the truth of the matter.

Meanwhile, over time, as the Roman Empire crumbled as Islam became the dominant religious force in the region, the once Jewish Palestinians slowly assimilated into the Muslim culture. So it is actually they who are the actual blood descendents of Abraham with the Jews there now really being mostly Europeans who converted to Judaism as a religion.

But even if this reality had not surfaced, there is still a problem with the right of return argument because the biblical claim to the land of Israel comes from the story of Abraham where he was told by God to execute his eldest son as an offering to God to show his complete devotion to Him. As he raised his knife to kill him with his son not struggling but rather accepted his fate as decreed by The Almighty, God intervened stopping him telling Abraham that his son would inherit eternal rule over the land now known as Israel.

What is being ignored in the right of return argument is that Abraham had two eldest sons where the bible is not specific about which one was taken to the alter to be sacrificed. One was named Isaac, the other Ishmael. Isaac was Abraham’s eldest son by marriage but Ishmael was illegitimately born before Isaac. And it does make more sense that God would tell Abraham to kill his son who was born out of wedlock but later change his mind when he saw the boy was willing to uphold his commend even to the point of offering himself for sacrifice without argument.

There were two powerful movements out of Babylon from Abrahams sons both which had a huge influence on the Middle East, one was Isaac who went to Egypt who Moses was descended from, and the other who are at the center of the Muslim movement surrounding a monument at Mecca built to honor him which the alter was rebuilt by Mohammed. In fact Ishmael was all but forgotten by the Arab world until Mohammed learned the story from Jews he prayed with, which was the beginning of the troubles there now, a command from God over who would rule the Middle East that He never made clear which son he was talking about, Ishmael or Isaac.

Then right in the middle of that saga sits Christianity which also pretends that when the Islamic world began to surpass the Christian world in the middle ages, what we call the dark ages where the Catholic Church had turned into such a despotic tyranny where freedom was so suppressed that Christianity began to suffocate under its rule, the Islamic world was open to all religions with the Arab world undergoing a renaissance of ideas, culture, architecture, technology, math science, pretty much everything we had stumbled out of leading the world in.

Out of this came the crusades that were started by Catholic Monks under orders from the Vatican to martyr themselves by insulting Muslim caliphs in the hopes of being executed. When they were ignored, they resorted to lighting themselves on fire which inspired the crusades where much of the Muslim world was slaughtered until pushed back by Saladin the Great, a less refined Kurd than the more civilized Muslims that we had been murdering up until he cam along. Saladin then established the kind of warlord society that rules the region now in order to protect Muslims from Catholics, which is still strong today even after hundreds of years of European colonialism trying to crush it, but only under the condition that theirs, and now ours, fiscal policies rule Arab lands, which of course has resulted in the problems we face there now.

But see most Christians misinterpret what the bible says about sin. Sin is not anything done that is morally or legally wrong. Jesus forgave sin, which at that time was only possibly committed by Jews and only when they failed to follow the strict laws of Moses that affected every aspect of Hebrew life. What Jesus did was open up the rank and file of Judaism to non Hebrews who wanted to worship God but did not want or couldn’t afford to follow the complex rules of Jewish culture.

So if a serious debate began to flesh out who was the rightful heir to the throne of Israel, Palestinians or European Jews, or Arabs descended from Ishmael or Jews from Isaac, at the end of the day, Christians would step up claiming Jesus forgave all those earlier rulings by God allowing for all to come to the Land of Milk and Honey to worship God in his name making the whole debate irrelevant.

The point is that until we flesh out these other avenues of debate that could all lead to more war or total peace, then Israel does have such a scholarly debate as an option to settle whether to keep the Palestinians fenced inside prison camps where right now whatever their reaction to being falsely and unjustly prevented from pursuing a free democratic society is understandable.

The United States many years ago should have spoken up against the treatment of the Palestinians addressing these issues without allying themselves so closely with the Israeli government who are diametrically opposite to us ideologically in the way they respect the word democracy, just like we were hypocrites in the way we treated Blacks and Indians, which to a large degree we still do.

It all boils down to one thing, White people are culturally insane and need to move at a faster rate away from the conservative principles we teach our children so the world can heal from the social diseases we have encouraged to deteriorate all quality of life on this planet. Then the rest of the world can move into the future behind us. But we have to lead towards freedom because no one else can. Our stands on foreign policy, especially as it relates to Israel and Arab worlds, is the direct opposite of what our belief system teaches us while the human race paying for our mistakes with freedom becoming more distant a reality not just for peoples in other lands but for us now as well.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

so dannyboy you are saying it ok for the palestinians to defend themselves as well? so calls for them to disarm is a violation of their natural rights?

el jefe,
‘get driven into the sea, by rockets? the palestinian fighters? ‘
The Arab world wants them gone. The term ‘drive them into the sea’ came about in 48, and is a dream of the thugs in Hamas,

‘jacob, our discussions used to be civil, wtf?’
A legitamite question, you pissed me off when you compared American gun owners to the scum in Hamas. Re-read the first comment (#36) in our little exchange. Paragraph three spells it out.

Coming off like a smarmy, scornful know-it-all is basically trolling for a fight. Yes, you really offended me. I therefore offended you. You want civil, then be civil. I personally prefer civil. I am hope this distasteful event will not be repeated.

Peace?

Written by Rachelfriend about 8 years ago.

So, Fontaine you’re basically saying that white people must lead non-whites, and that only whites can save the planet because whites have been responsible for the (undefined) “social diseases” that plague societies around the globe? White supremacy with a twist? Unfortunately, it’s not surprising you believe this, but it’s very distasteful (and untrue). Narcissistic personality disorder is no excuse for embracing racist beliefs. Get a clue.

I did say that didn’t I? I think that is not what I meant but then I think it is what I meant.

I meant the United States because really we have the only form of government that will allow us to evolve freedom to a higher level, at least in my opinion we do, that we have the most ideal platform to launch a new revolution in a direction never been tried before because of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I didn’t at all mean white people but then if this never happens and the world goes to hell for it, it will be becasue we didn’t try, it will be white Americas fault. I mean white people have to get behind change, there are too many of us, we have too much power, we are too educated, we understand what has to be done, we know we are wrong, and we owe the world for having been on top for so long.

And I don’t mean lead either, I mean set an example but not by besting everyone else to some new level of maturity so we can look down through shining eyes of glory for others see and follow us. The world needs to change and has needed to for a long time. Everyone knows it now but most have known it for a long time. Blacks know it, women know it, gays know it, all the races of the world know it. But then there are these white people who think everything is just the way it ought to be.

There’s plenty of people from all the other groups right in there with them but if these particular white people gave up and admitted it all needs to change, that the world needs to end and be reborn again, it could happen. Since it would be an admission of them being wrong by taking that stand, then they wouldn’t be leading, they would really just be getting out of the way. But it would be the kind of move that would be respected as the kind direction that true leaders would take.

I guess it is like what would have happened if Saddam Hussein came out on the eve of us invading and said God had come to him and change his heart. Then he started to do things for his people and apologize to the world. He could have changed everything, the same with Bush now, or Osama Bin Laden, or Israel. It would be harder for the Palestinians to do it but they could do it anytime also, so could crack dealers and gangs, they could all change the world tomorrow if they stood up for the kinds of things that somewhere deep down they believe in, they just don’t have the guts to stand up for it because they think the world would kick them down for it, which we might have before things got so bad over the past so many years that most people truly fear something terrible will happen to end everything as we know it.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Go try and figure that one out, Rachelfriend. I dare ya. Bet you can’t even get past the opening sentence.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

el hefer,

“you are saying it ok for the palestinians to defend themselves as well?”

Palestinians, yes I am. Are you defending their rocket attacks on neighboring states as self defense ?

Now please answer my questions..

Written by Rachelfriend about 8 years ago.

Fontaine’s opening sentence tells me that he really does know enough to know that what he wrote is racist, but that he believes his theory as to why “white America” needs to “change” for the sake of us all outweighs the white-supremacist tinge of his statements. I could be wrong, but that’s what I got out of it.

Fontaine, I don’t care how you try to justify your viewpoint. You basically dismiss non-white Americans who hold to Judeo-Christian values as inconsequential “others” who have no power. You only value whites who you think have the power to “change” things. In your mind, you seem to think that if conservative white Americans abandoned the conservative cause, conservative non-white Americans would be directionless. They would then eventually fall in line with what you think is the right direction for the world. You seem to want the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, but not the prosperity that results when some Americans take them seriously and legitimately become “successful”. You can’t have it both ways.

Maybe you are right that somewhere deep down I harbor an idea that White people are superior somehow over other races. And since I am talking about white men, then I must think white men are superior to everyone else. But if I have this subconscious ideal, I don’t mean to or like it and I figure am genuinely trying to change it.

I absolutely love Women, Blacks, some things about gays but they still have a way to go to totally win me over. I love meeting people from foreign countries, I love that this country has so many different cultures living here. But I also think that white people are the problem with the world which I guess you are saying that is a bigoted remark because I think that other races can’t overcome our negative force unless we allow them too.

I supported and support Obama and believe in him more than any white men I have ever witnessed lead. I just hope my judgment is right about him because we are going to be a real fix if I am wrong.

I think you are wrong about me but I see why you might think that. I only believe white people are efficient at being pains in the ass, a nuisance. It’s is stretch to call them, or us, evil. I think there are evil forces that move through the white communities but they don’t really want to have too much power because they know deep down they are actually just a bunch of moronic white people who would screw up the world worse than they already have if they relied too much on the high esteem the dedicate to themselves as being fact.

I think the reason white people, or white men, are such losers is because they are afraid of other races and genders upstaging them. I thoroughly believe that and have for a long time which would discount the theory that deep down I am a closet racist.

Look at how white men treated Indians, Blacks, and Women. Then look at what happened to the economy after the seventies when laws were passed to allow for the start of the pendulum back the other way on civil rights issues. Before that, we were always stronger than the rest of the world but many countries were right on our heels. As soon as we let women and blacks out of the gate, we blew past everyone and there is no sign of them catching up with us even as our world falls apart, not at least this month anyway.

But it teaches us and them that fairness and openness are secret economic weapons, one that if the Chinese figured out how to use while we still sat around letting all these white men pretend they know what the world is all about, that will be it for us, we would fall into permanent second place as a world economic force or worst, which would be OK. Any country that finds a new level of freedom to express will benefit the rest of the world. I mean China is not going to help itself by finding a new level or morality it can govern by so it can get more powerful and then attack us. Of course they could make a mistake later and hire a dictator, like we did with Bush.

But really I think the crux of my original argument was that we need to look at the challenges in the Middle East more realistically in terms of how we view the truth about the historical events that made that part of the world the way it is, which really is true for everywhere else too. There is a lot of other areas of debate that neither side is looking at realistically, which I think by and large white people are responsible for making it that way because so many of us live beyond any kind of means we deserve so we keep the world running behind a packs of lies in order to maintain the status quo that keeps the money flowing our way.

You have no idea how frustrating it is to be white, to have been born in a elite social circle that allowed me to understand a side of history that others are lied to about while hating the culture of morons who brought me up this way, which this was the way I felt throughout my childhood. I grew up hoping Blacks and Women would one day rise through the ranks of the established white mans world to flesh out some truth in this world.

For me, my whole upbringing was embarrassing. I see white men who follow their secret creeds as weak and pathetic. But still many Blacks and Women who climb through the old system simply follow the path laid before them by our moronic white men leaders by either believing the lies they are told about history or by being corrupted by not telling the truth about it when they do know. The world is a big lie, a stage set for certain inner core families and groups to play like their very own personal chess board. And these people are the dumbest kind of assholes you would ever want to meet. They claim these proud heritages leading back to the most prominent figures in history but the truth is that what a person does that is great a thousand or two thousand years ago does not pass on to his or her consecutive future generations, only the story does along with an arrogance that is beyond imagination.

All that has happened over the last thirty years is that a whole bunch of nonwhite men were allowed to have dreams for the first time in history. And the United States pulled ahead of the rest of the world in a way that no one could have ever imagined. But now they have reached a point of realizing that the world they wanted to be equals in is still all a lie that the white man controls. And the white man still fails to see that game he started that he now lets others into the inner circle of is stupid, that he is not and never was great, just an idiot who if he had more confidence in himself, could have seen a thousands year ago that freedom and equality would provide the only stairway to the heavens human beings can build.

But still after all the years of evidence has come out that should have taught him otherwise, here we are again no closer to leaving the planets surface to actually explore the universe than we were when we put a man on the moon but rather are sitting here waiting for the same white families that have stalled time and space for all this time to figure out how to have more money they don’t need and more power they don’t have a plan for how to put to use.

The ones I am talking about, the inner core of the royal families, who actually are not all white, are not all men. So you are right in a sense that if any of them make a choice to expose themselves, they would expose the white man’s secret lair as well. But those bastards have weapons you never dreamed of and might use them if pushed into a corner. To them, slaughtering a large percentage of the human race with the flip of a switch is a respectful way to compete.

I don’t know if you known it but the CIA was built around exNazi spies who came to work for us after the WW II. In the early seventies when it was becoming obvious that civil rights laws were going to pass that would force the intelligence industry to hire Blacks and Women at all levels of their agencies, they moved a lot of the industry out of Langley which is now this huge defense contactor complex that lies between Langley and Dulles airport. So there is this huge black side of the intelligence industry that was built by exNazis that operates independent of oversight by congress.

They did this by building communities out towards Dulles Airport that they would then bankrupt and buy back at dirt cheap prices using the money they paid themselves to build them, which started what are now the biggest construction companies in Northern Virginia that they use as a source of funding along with the thousands of government contractors that they created that are really black intelligence covers.

I know how to bring them down, in fact I cost them billions, trillions over time, of dollars from sun up to sun down everyday and have since I was a young man. And I have achieved a lot of respect from inside their own circles because they don’t all think alike. But that is because what I offer is better than what they offer themselves. And the few at the center who believe in their hearts that they would never give up their failed dreams of a world dominance, could be crushed if the average American knew the true story.

But just like they told me when I was growing up, if I tried to tell anyone, no one would believe me and would think I was crazy, while then we will kill me and no one would care. That was what I was told when I was 10 years old. They were right 2 out of 3 their promises. They like to see themselves as omnipotent but really they are just a bunch of fools, weak and stupid people whose time in power is coming to a close even without the average American believing in the reality of their existence.

What I mean by my assertions that you question my motives for claiming is that if the average white man would believe what facts bare out, this thing could move a whole lot quicker because it is them that keeps a mindset prevalent in society that spoils the truth from becoming believable by labeling it “conspiracy theories.” And those that make this kind of thinking such a threat to the truth coming out are for the most part weak white men who are deluded by their view of how the world works to the point they have become so arrogant that they believe that for their ego bubble to collectively burst, it would make them all go insane, which scares the hell out of everyone so they get their way with being able to think of themselves as heroes by reading the sports pages, lathering their livers with beer, whoring themselves and their woman like reusable condoms, while ignoring the truth about how they are really just bend over boys for a secret establishment they are simply afraid to know exists.

But the truth is that if the whole story of history and how it effects what we are seeing happening going on in the world today came out, a few weeks later, it would simply be yesterdays news. And they and we all would be better off for it having been put behind us. So really the truth is that I am bigoted against weak white people, specifically white men, who don’t have the confidence to let the cards fall where the truth places them where they would have to compete on a level playing field with all the other genders and colors of peoples.

And for you horrified white men who are reading this, it is indisputable that we are all African Americans. You may look in the mirror and see a god but all I see is a Black African with light skin and straight hair. You are an animal, they are animals, human being are all animals who evolved from primates while first being Black Africans before becoming white people. So looking at a Black man is like looking into an ancient mirror of yourself. They are our forefathers and if you respected that fact, this world would be a lot different.

White men are like the arrogant children who grow up on the farm and leave home to go to the city who only comes home to buy up the land their families groomed to produce the culture that gave them life so they could build a factory to put his brothers, sisters, and cousins to work for slave wages.

White men make up the rules as they go thinking this makes them winners over whoever does not follow their lead when they could simply add some respect into their equation while building a truly level playing field for all their relatives to compete on and produce a better quality of life than he could ever provide for himself by trapping the world into submission while the future of mankind gets lost in the white mans arrogant ambitions’ to go nowhere for no one, not even themselves. White men suck but they don’t have to and would be better off if they stopped it while so would everyone else. White men have sucked for a few too many centuries. It is time for it to stop.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

“I grew up hoping Blacks and Women would one day rise through the ranks of the established white mans world to flesh out some truth in this world.”

You write as if you have a vision of absolute purity for these two social groups, who are above their own forms of bigotry.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

danny boy, i don’t support either side bombing or launching rockets into neighborhoods.

“You write as if you have a vision of absolute purity for these two social groups, who are above their own forms of bigotry.”

I had a vision when I was a child. Later I learned that bigotry does not bound itself to one gender or ethnicity. I could not believe how I went from looking up to blacks and women to using the words bitch and nigger pretty much daily while carrying a great deal of animosity towards liberals for having let me down.

The thing about that is that out here in the real world these days, Blacks, Women, Men, White Men, Gays, Young People, and People from other nations who migrated here over the past 40 years are all beginning to act as if we are all on the same team even though our policy makers on both sides of the isle still try to keep us at each others throat. But I really see the left growing a lot quicker than the right. Of course this makes since because liberalism died first.

I am just saying that we could have gotten where we need to be yesterday if white men could catch up a little bit quicker. I know it makes a lot of their nuts shrivel up to think how far they have to go make it real, the same is true for all the other groups. I mean I have no better luck trying to communicate with any of the other genres.

Its not rocket science. We don’t have problems understanding we shouldn’t marry our sisters or cousins. But over a the long term, we also shouldn’t marry within our own races so much either. That is why the US has grown so strong, among other things, part of the equation is that we marry outside our races even if it is between white people where before we came to America, most Europeans married within their own cultures. This produces weak genes for future generations whose instincts tell them that they are inferior to those who breed outside their race.

It’s one of the ways new tribes or kingdoms or nations form. Along the borders of two regions, breeding happens between two peoples that produce a more aggressive and higher evolved race which then war erupts between the two cultures often a new empire comes out of the process.

Inbreds instinctively fear members of other races because they know they are stronger and smarter and aren’t afraid to take the kinds of risks that result in superior status in society. But then new blood is the cure for future generations to become strong again, which some of the more liberal members sense in their attractions to other races and act on it.

People are just like dogs where breeding the same species over many generations creates specialized pets who can service their masters needs as they were created to do so. But this comes with weaknesses in other areas and an overall more vulnerable creature except in the area of expertise they were designed for.

I’ve hitchhiked all over this country and seen the same kinds of racial protectionism in communities who’ve bred within themselves for successive generations. This held true for both whites and blacks. But many of those kind of psychological barriers to social growth are only there because, for whatever reason, there are many and they are all badly managed; there are two schools of understanding the truth about the human condition 1) what the mainstream public understands and 2) what scholars talk about when they are not teaching.

I look at scholars as men and women who didn’t figure out how to leave the institutions that trained them to be able to grow up and enter the real world. Educations systems are a lot like the problems between the races with inbreeding where new blood and change is resisted by those entrenched there for successive generations. The very idea that we have to go to school and be initiated into the secrets of being intelligent animals is repulsive to me.

Education is the flow of information, not the institutionalization of it. The way we do it turns the world into a laboratory experiment with us the lab rats when really all we need to do is make learning what we do as life goes by where instead of debating about the ideologies academics come up with as the silver bullets to solve society’s ills, we simply could talk about the foundation they build these ideologies on which hold the simple truths to what being a human being means.

I mean if an intelligent animal knows what he or she is, they can take it from there themselves. But under that kind of intelligent social structure, human beings would be harder to herd into factories and ghettos to work for low wages while not having enough understanding of how the system works to know they’re throwing away their lives to give worthless rich people lives of privilege that is really just ruining their masters lives also.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

el hefer, what do you support then, other than just coming here to rattle cages ?

Written by Rachelfriend about 8 years ago.

Fontaine, unfortunately, I think you believe the very historical lies you claim you want to do away with. White men have not kept “other races” down throughout history. There have been civilizations in Africa, North/South America, and Asia that have come and gone without any help from white men. These civilizations failed for their own reasons, and when they were successful, they were successful on their own terms. Have there been horrible historical events that have taken place that occurred at the hands of “white men”, of course. But there have been horrible historical events that have taken place without white men even being present. You really need to truly see the world from a global perspective, and not from a perspective that sees white men at the center of all important human events (both good and bad). You call these white men that you disdain weak, but what they are is human. You don’t seem to like the humanness you see in them.

It’s just a suggestion, one I think you’ll probably pass up, but if you get a chance, please read a book entitled “Paul” by Charles Swindoll. On page 204, there’s a quote from a work by John Stott concerning Paul’s reaction to the spiritual darkness of Athens. In part it reads “Paul’s reaction to the city’s idolatry was not negative only but also positive and constructive. he did not merely throw up his hands in despair, or weep helplessly, or curse and swear at the Athenians”. Your perspective is steeped in negativity. There’s a reason for that, but that’s not how real change occurs, or how progress is made, although somehow you’ve become convinced that it is.

I’m not even going to address your perverse view of women and people of African descent, except to say that even when you think you’re being inclusive you’re being truly insulting. You said, “Look at how white men treated Indians, Blacks, and Women”, but do you realize that in the same message you made a pretty disgusting statement about white men and “their women”? You also somehow believe that white men evolved from Africans, but you don’t really believe in evolution because you say you don’t think white men are better than others (even though evolution sort of implies that species evolve to advance and you acknowledged that you believe this in your last post). I don’t know how someone could possibly unlearn such tripe, but I sincerely hope you find a way to do so.

I don’t really want to discuss this any longer. Until you wake up and realize that your perspective is clouded by your own unhappiness with white men just being human, and that you have very distorted views of women and of blacks, you’ll never understand how flawed your thinking really is. For once, I have true empathy for Barak Obama. If you continue to think the way that you do, and you come to realize just how human he is, just as human as the white men you despise, you’ll come to dislike him as well.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

“The thing about that is that out here in the real world these days, Blacks, Women, Men, White Men, Gays, Young People, and People from other nations who migrated here over the past 40 years are all beginning to act as if we are all on the same team even though our policy makers on both sides of the isle still try to keep us at each others throat.”

This is what I refer to as “Divide and Conquer Politics”. Remember, it is the liberals that have given us the Native American, African American, Italian American, etc. pigeon holes.

Written by Had Enough about 8 years ago.

I have never believed that hyphenated American are true or serious Americans. You should be a American of Italian descent, American of Irish descent, etc. Putting the ethnic term before American is not truly American.

I am sick and tired of the term “Racist,” it has evolved over the last few decades as a silent slur against anyone that does not agree with the left or the idiots inside the beltway that are attempting to sell out this country and in some cases give it away. That word lost its true meaning in the 60′s.

You are doing what women often do, a kind of sibling rivalry tactic that distracts from the issue at hand. We were talking about Israel, a problem that we could benefit from understanding better right now, today, because World War III is breaking out in the Middle East.

This discussion you want to have about race and gender is table talk that has gone on since the dawn of time, probably goes on at some level in the non intelligent animal kingdom, and will be going on a thousands years from now while it is irrelevant to the events of the day.

I entered a discussion about Israel and you took it to the one place you are familiar with, gender and race, a topic that is generally unwinnable but is a good social exercise to engage to become more familiar with how each other thinks. But now you want to walk away as if that was what we were talking about where you have conceded there is no changing my attitude on this issue. It’s like you think I shouldn’t be able to talk about hope to fix the Israeli/Palestinian problem until I have undergone your sensitivity training program and graduated.

At least tell me this, what credentials do you support you expertise in judging human behavior through their comments on a blog? I spent a lot of time being sensitive to your wanting to take this discussion off topic where now you want to throw up your hands up in disgust with me as a human being. You are a typical broad, an example of why woman have been forced to be seen and not heard for the last five thousands years and why that might be the way it is for the next five thousands women can’t come up with more constructive ways to deal with solving the problems mankind faces. And I mean that with all due sincerity.

The reason we are in the fix we are in with the state of the world is because of woman and blacks always wanting to distract from reality wandering off topic into deep discussion about social and personality issues that are simply part of life while real problems go undressed, real problems that are harder to get a real grasp on that require real solutions that involve real effort.

So my Dear, I correct you, I am the one who has had enough of this discussion. I can have that discussion any time I want with any of the woman in my life. Why the hell would I come hear to have it with you? And don’t come back saying that one minute I love women and blacks while the next I am raking them over the coals. A good burn can be constructive if it comes from someone who loves you.

But seriously, women and blacks did bring us here. They were given a vacuum to fill in the 70′s and failed. If women and blacks had not assumed the role of leaders, then there would have been nothing standing between white men like me and the people running the world now. You dropped the ball and we have to come in and clean up after the mess you made. And it’s not going to happen like this again so you better grow up and take some serious responsibility for how this world is run and get your head out of your ass about all this sensitivity talk.

You know what women created, home owners associations that go around nagging their neighbors about what color flowers are planted on someone’s property. Do you have any idea how much could have been accomplished if all that energy had been directed towards something constructive?

What if no one had cared what someone thought about race or gender where it didn’t matter if someone hated a race or gender, that they were entitled to their belief no matter how twisted they were because the focus of society was on what gets us from point A to point B economically, militarily, and socially without socializing every word we think or say.

And what if it takes a different ways of seeing the world to come up with real solutions to real problems where hatred and bigotry play an important role in the human experience of being intelligent animals? Do you want to brainwash that mindset out of the American dialogue simply so you can love or hate everyone where everyone either sees life through the same viewers or they are not considered part of what is valid to the future.

I just want things to work as best they can for me. If we can get there, then I would like to have the freedom to figure how I think about others to be left up to me as a private matter. My bigotry only grew from people who seemed to think they had so few responsibilities that they needed to attend to in this world that they had nothing better to left to do than worry about what I was thinking about as it relates to these actually very private maters of love and hate. It molests society to put such dialogues before everything else. It’s like equating bunch of people comparing notes on how to wipe their ass with finding the path to freedom.

If we stick to the business at hand, the world will work and people will grow. What you want to do is not see me mature but leave behind a record of how immature I once was. So what, who cares? It’s like saying you know my underwear has skid marks. Who cares, and by the way so do yours.

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

There you have it. The full and true story about the development of western Fairfax and eastern Loudoun. It was all a CIA plot by ex-Nazis to fund this huge, secret “black” intelligence operation. And, in order, to protect their investment and the security of this nefarious operation, the CIA had to spend millions, even trillions to try to shut up a 10-year-old who had somehow sniffed out this whole thing just by his little old self. Astounding! The things we “inbreds” learn on the web!

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Rachelfriend — I never thought…Are you really just a “typical broad” with skid marks on your underwear?

Written by Had Enough about 8 years ago.

“I supported and support Obama and believe in him more than any white men I have ever witnessed lead. I just hope my judgment is right about him because we are going to be a real fix if I am wrong.”

How can you believe in someone that virtually said nothing? A man that used to travel and work with Farrakhan said they all taught him how to give a speech draw people in, he was constantly trained to give a speech like King and Farrakhan, (early tapes of his speeches are low voice, lifeless, dull, stalls). When he doesn’t have a prepared speech, he stutters terrible, uh, uh, uh.

This was one of the biggest scams in history. He never said anything, he repeatedly shouted the same empty phrases. The best example I’ve seen of a Jim Jones or Charles Manson in years. Just wait until he decides to put good use to his hypnotics and text messages, and you suddenly wake up one night to a text message with your orders in it.

Written by Rachelfriend about 8 years ago.

Fontaine, you’re not unhappy that race and gender were brought into the discussion, because you introduced race into the discussion yourself (January 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, last paragraph). When someone writes “It all boils down to one thing”, I tend to think that they are saying “this is the main point of my argument and the main reason I believe this way”. I don’t even think I had entered into the discussion at that point, so I’m not quite sure how you think I raised this issue unless I have some unearthly powers I don’t know about. I merely pointed out that your views are contradictory, that they are not based in reality, and that you can drop the whole “championing the underdog” routine because it’s just a front for what you truly believe. You brought it up, but you didn’t expect anyone to actually take notice? You may be used to that, but I’m not. You actually began the “sibling rivalry tactic that distracts from the issue at hand” Fontaine. Take responsibility for your own words. I didn’t think you’d agree with me, so no surprise there, but you could at least accept that you introduced that aspect of the discussion.

Wolverine, yup, I guess I’m a typical woman. I’m taking that as a compliment, but I don’t that’s the way it was meant. I’m not so sure about the skid marks though, I actually change on a regular basis. Perhaps Fontaine is telling us something?

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Well, anyway, here’s a good quote for you straight from the lips of friend Bobby on You Tube: “I am an a**hole.”

I just don’t see much of a discussion here. If one of you have any ideas on anything? I would love to hear them. I look at it like this. A bunch of rich and powerful men sit around in the clubhouse smoking cigars drinking brandy and expensive burden while planning our future. I look at the result of what they come up with and figure what the temperament in the room must have been like -condescending, arrogant, conniving, and anything but polite.

To me, that spells “room full of assholes.” Do you know how our founding fathers planned the American Revolution? It was mostly done in the attic over a pub at all hours of the night with many gallons of ale being guzzled in the process. What does that tell you? It says our founding fathers knew that in order to beat a drunken asshole, you have to become a drunken asshole to understand how he thinks.

I just wish you would stop corking the jig so we can get where we are trying to go. I mean I went “over to the other side”, which for those of you in Reolinda, is the liberal left which now call themselves progressives. But they either aren’t home or are pretending they aren’t refusing to come out and play. This might be because they lack the basic skills of reading and writing. At least here, you have all been educated. Actually this is a really good group. But if anyone asks, I didn’t just say that.

But tell me this, are there any other real assholes in this room or I am the only one. Pass me the jug.

Oh yeah, did any of you see sixty minutes?

Written by Wolverine about 8 years ago.

Bobby, in one of your posts elsewhere you said the following: “Sometimes I wonder if I’m in a prolonged nightmare…”

They picked Hasselback precisely because she is as dumb as a box of rocks. She fits the lib’s stereo type of conservative women, the stupid-air-head. What is amazing was the Hasselback argued Rosie O’Donnell into na corner, reinforcing my opinion of the basic lameness of liberal women.

In short, anyone with a room temperature IQ loves ‘The View’. Anyone with a body temperature IQ sees it for what it is, a vapid, inane echo liberal chamber.

Written by Cathymac about 8 years ago.

I don’t think Hasselbeck is as dumb as a box of rocks, but she is not a skilled debater. She is a talking points debater and doesn’t know how to get out of traps set by Liberal debaters. That she upped Rosie is no surpise, but Whoopie is another story. The audience of The View is NY Libs that are completely oblivious to facts (shocking, but true) and react the all of Whoopie’s emotional outbursts, it is silly.

I watched clips throughout the election but nothing since. The View is a completely useless show that gets “shock” ratings, there is no substance there.

Did anyone else catch Bill O’Reiily on the view ? Joy Behar and others were burning holes in him with their eyes when he put them into their places..

Written by Cathymac about 8 years ago.

I did see O’Reilly, he really laid into Joy – it was fun to watch and even the NY audience liked seeing Joy get toasted. He gave Walters a good beating too.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

hey there jacob, yes, peace. i menat to cause a stir but not to equate gun owners in america to terrorists, tone it down some. i was picking at the logic of gun ownership as a human right that we talked about some time ago. this right to self protection does not seem to be extended to palestinians. for one, all this complaing about palestinian terrorists launching rockets while israel has killed more than 500 people ‘defending themselves.’ if palestinians killed 500 isreal icivilians in an attack on 10or 20 soilders, many here i think would call for gaza to be wiped off the map. that’s not a support for launching rockets, it’s just a pointing out the inconistancies in the views of this conflict. and as for the bigot stuff, if you are using rosie as a symobl for all liberal women, you are crazy!they are all equally as smart on the view. even those she does a bad job representing conservative views, hasselback is cute. you would have thought the better qb in the family would have landed her.

el jefe,
the palestinians went trolling for a fight when they launched 3000 missiles BEFORE this invasion. 1.5M Israelis lived under the threat of missile attack every day. Would you tolerate living under the threat of death everyday? Would tolerate your women and children living under the threat of death everyday?

This has been going on for years now. Ever since the Israelis forcibly removed the Jewish settlers from Gaza. That was done as I recall as meeting a long standing demand by the Palestinians for peace. The Israelis met this demand without asking for anything in return other than to be left alone. The rocket attacks is all they got for their troubles.

I think your response would have some soon and would have been far less measured.

“i was picking at the logic of gun ownership as a human right that we talked about some time ago. this right to self protection does not seem to be extended to palestinians.”

Criminals lose the right to keep and bear arms.

Written by ACTivist about 8 years ago.

Jacob,

“Would you tolerate living under the threat of death everyday? Would tolerate your women and children living under the threat of death everyday?”

Are you new to this site? El jefe LIVES in Baltimore, remember? Enough said!

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

i was actually going to make same comment act, you beat me to it. but as bad as it is for b*more right now, our football team is kicking a**. how nice of the israelis to dismantle illegal settlements.they get praised for self sacrifice for obeying international law. it’s amazing how almost everyting you say jacob applies to the palestinian situation. as of last count, 4 israelies have died in rocket attacks, 9 soildersin combat. meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured. a lack of water, food, work, etc. now, put yourself in the other situation. would you tolerate living in such conditions? where is my amnesty most wise and beneficent administrator?

el jefe,
‘how nice of the israelis to dismantle illegal settlements.they get praised for self sacrifice for obeying international law.’
Nice. You are engaging in a lie here. Mendacity does not wear well on you. Try something else. Get a primer on debate or logic. Mud and bomb throwing will only lead to another 10 rounds.

1. When those settlements where built, the land was bought and paid for. HOw is that illegal, unless you are a antisemetic bigot?

2. Most of the settlements where not considered illegal, at the time they where built and settled. That required some pixie dust from the UN.

3. That the UN has allowed the likes of the Sudanese to run the Human Rights commission only shows how seriously we should take anti-Israeli proclamations from the circus on the Hudson. But you repeat the bile with a strait face. Such is the true nature of mendacity. Makes one wonder.

el jefe,
kindly explain to us a justification for fire thousand of missiles … during a cease fire? Lets return the nub of your BS.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

jacob, you are one sensitive guy. it doesn’t even take an insult, just a disagreement and you start saying stuff like ‘anti-semetic.’ and calling me that is really stupid, and pretentious word usage doesn’t cover that up. are you saying it was bought after ’67 when gaza was occupied territory or before? and i like how you say ‘most’ weren’t illegal, some lie that i told. and what a pathetic tactic of attacking the un for criticizing israel, the eu, amnesty internaitonal, etc. do the same. and i’m not justifying the rocket attacks it’s terrorists and criminals, the only person that has justified attacks on and the killing of civilians is you.

el jefe,
Sensitive? No, just tired of the crap that has been said about our only ally in the region, AND, the only country that is a functioning democracy, Iraq is a democracy, but the jury is out until we leave and they have to do this themselves. It is not my fault that you parrot the bullshit, which is rooted in antisemitism.

You still have not addressed the whole 1000′s of missiles during a ceasefire issue. I guess you never will.

“as of last count, 4 israelies have died in rocket attacks, 9 soildersin combat. meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured.”

Let’s not mention that over half of those palestinians killed are civilians. Also, that they bombed and mortared repeatedly today a UN building where civilians were taking refuge and where humanitarian food/supplies were stockpiled.

It’s a shame.

Written by dans about 8 years ago.

Yes, it is a shame to hide rockets, missiles in civilian buildings. It is a shame to setup these launchers in schools, hospitals and churches and fire them at civilian targets in neighboring states.

Now Kevin, WHO made these civilians targets ? Isn’t it Hamas who is hiding and firing the rockets ? The one and the same Hamas who was elected to lead the Palestinian legislature ?

“Israel’s hunt for Hamas gunmen and leadership resulted in the death of two of the militant outfit’s key leaders in an aerial strike Thursday. The Israeli Defense Force’s (IDF) retaliation on Hamas attacks damaged the UN refugee agency’s headquarters ”

This UN building ? There are no media reports that I can find that mention any refugees in this building, other than the two militant leaders above. Maybe they should be more careful about giving refuge to militant Hamas leaders in UN buildings.

Do tell, where do you say they report there were stockpiled weapons/militants, etc? I guess it’s a he said/she said, huh? Maybe the UN is lying. Maybe the UN is secretly backing Hamas. If Israel said the UN was backing Hamas would you believe that too?

Understatement of the four year cycle. Wait for it!!
Just about the time you think people are too smart to fall for another cult leader….this happens.
The dumbing-down of the electorate is now complete.

el jefty, kevin
‘meanwhile, it’s up near 900 palestinians dead and over 4000 injured’
This is the same Hamas that went to the morgue, and pulled bodies out, then arranged them for the media to see top a rubble pile. Right?

So when the Jena ‘massacre’ was first televised the casualty figures where in the low hundreds as well. With some 60% of the reported dead being women and children. Then after two reports, one froim amnesty international, and one from the UN both showed that 52 Palestinians died in the Jena fighting, 46 of them men from 17 to 45. that mens less than 15% of the casualties where collateral. Considering that Arabs fight from underneath their women’s skirts, the number is remarkably low.

So stop wringing your hands like old women, I am will to bet MONEY that the civilian casualties are nowhere near the current reports. Cry river over something that is real, not manufactured by the Hamas propaganda machine.

Written by el jefe about 8 years ago.

oh jacob, so you trust amnesty and the un when they come down on the palestinians but God forbid they should say something bad about the israeli treatment of palestinians, all of this would be a lie against our most trusted ally! this is a country with a few spies in us prisons, right?

1000 rocket attacks after a ceasefire? i thought there were hardly any until israel did therir little raid. and they didn’t lighten up on their restrictions.

and talk about the propaganda machine. suggesting that being critical of israel is a sign of bigotry is a cheap and stupid way of dissmising argument. this from a group that cmplains how unfair it is when someone says they are a racist for advocating immigration reform or opposing affirmative action. and while we are on the subject, i see you have no problems making a broad statement about arabs or equating all palestinians with hamas. i think it’s your bigotry that’s clouding your judgement of the conflict.

But maybe they are, and you are correct, that Islamic terrorists are in fact simply innocent bystanders, and the only one who feels their pain is the U.N. .

Written by Had Enough about 8 years ago.

The UN is totally corrupt. It has been in our best interest for years to leave them by the wayside. They stick their noses into our business when it is not warranted with their hands out.

I saw somewhere that Obama has pledged them many billions over the next several years.

Israel may be put on the back burner if Obama decides that funds should be diverted from them and sent to Africa.

Do a search on Obama’s radical Islamic cousin Raila Odinga, here’s just a tidbit:

Internal memo of Odinga’s party’s “CAMPAIGN FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES.” It includes a list of donations, one of which is from “Friends of Senator BO.” The donation is for 66 million Kenya shillings, more than 1 million U.S. dollars. The conservative website WorldNetDaily said in October, 2008, that it had confirmed that the donation was organized by Obama. In a report published on 10/15/08, WorldNetDaily said sources in Kenya said the money came from a series of private meetings arranged for Odinga by Mark Lippert, a foreign policy advisor in Obama’s U.S. Senate office. The meetings are said to have taken place during and Odinga trip 2006 trip to the United States.

After he lost the election there were deadly riots and Christian churches burned.