On Monday, one demonstrator attempted to physically hand Eden a "warrant," but he left the chambers without acknowledging her or taking the paper, while council members tried in vain to quell the unrest before them.

There clearly is such a thing as a people's arrest warrant. It's just not as useful as the government issued kind.

"It just seems like it's been increasingly hard for us to even do our business, whether it's about this or other matters," council member Isaac Benton told the Journal. "If anything, it's demoralizing for those of us on the council who are trying to do something about the problem."

Trying to do something about the problem? There is only one solution, and that's to fire the police chief and everyone who works for that filthy animal, and replace them with real human beings.

I'm not familiar with this particular situation, but a quick google says this guy and a whole bunch of others should be fired, and possible charged with something.

That being said a "people's arrest warrant" is stupid, and no matter what their good enough intentions were, those demonstrators now have made themselves to look like ill educated asshats that should possibly be wearing tricorn hats.

Satan's Bunny Slippers I'm not familiar with this particular situation, but a quick google says this guy and a whole bunch of others should be fired, and possible charged with something.That being said a "people's arrest warrant" is stupid, and no matter what their good enough intentions were, those demonstrators now have made themselves to look like ill educated asshats that should possibly be wearing tricorn hats.[lawdoesnotworkthatway.jpg]

They received media attention.

They scared the hell out of the elected people in charge.

They were there to create a scene, and it worked. And at least nobody was killed.

Did the article did it say that the People's Arrest Warrant was thought to have legal weight? After reading the article, I thought it was presented as a bit of theatrics by the protesters. Chances are a university professor from New Mexico is not going to be extremely stupid like that. It was Subby's headline that suggests it was an ill-advised attempt at legal action.

The Chief of Police stormed off, which looks like he was simply refusing to play along. But maybe, if Subby is correct about anything, it is the Chief of Police who mistakenly thought it counted as being served, and so he took off?

Satan's Bunny Slippers:I'm not familiar with this particular situation, but a quick google says this guy and a whole bunch of others should be fired, and possible charged with something.

That being said a "people's arrest warrant" is stupid, and no matter what their good enough intentions were, those demonstrators now have made themselves to look like ill educated asshats that should possibly be wearing tricorn hats.

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How a professor roped himself into believing it I'll never know.

And yes, a legitimate people's elbow probably would have gathered more publicity. At least one could have then detected a pleasant aroma that indicated exactly what they were attempting to accomplish in the proverbial canteen.

On one hand, you have a professor who seems to be hallucinating that he is the new commissar of a Revolutionary Peoples Democratic Republic or some such leftist masturbatory fantasy, and a police chief who looks like an old queen with a Norsefire haircut. Charming, the lot of them.

Marcus Aurelius:"It just seems like it's been increasingly hard for us to even do our business, whether it's about this or other matters," council member Isaac Benton told the Journal. "If anything, it's demoralizing for those of us on the council who are trying to do something about the problem."

Trying to do something about the problem? There is only one solution, and that's to fire the police chief and everyone who works for that filthy animal, and replace them with real human beings.

Much like other public offices, real human beings would never choose to be cops. Real human beings would see it as a necessary burden, not a privilege.

/here "real" is assumed to mean "decent"//decent public officials are not impossible, only very improbable///if you want to hold public office, you are, most likely, unqualified for the job

"Law" is whatever the rich people with the most guns say it is, and nothing else.

We have no real "legal authority" to any of this land in America. We have no "legal reason" to be able to make laws that others must now follow, even those people that were here before us and want no part of our new society. We just had the most guns and thus that gave us the "legal authority" to take land and property and businesses and resources and make our own "laws".

We do have the ability to make laws because we have guns and lots of them and a lot of wealthy people that can get people to use those guns for their benefit.

If the rich folks with the guns decide to take over America, get rid of the Constitution, and start a new Constitution, then that will be the "law".

So in my mind, as long as the folks coming in with their "people's arrest warrant" are armed enough and willing, their warrant is as valid as any sheriff's warrant.

I really doubt people would have such a problem with police if there was even the slightest effort to hold them to the same standards as any other citizen. The internet is even turning boot lickers against them.

CSB: In college there was a pizza shop owner on the edge of campus whom fancied himself as a land/slum-lord. He bought up prime properties for students to rent and proceeded to act in as morally vacant and reprehensible a manner as you could expect a slumlord to.

One of his tactics when tenants would become difficult (like demanding things be fixed and witholding rent when they weren't) was he would leave "official" looking notices he made up that would be from fake but legal-sounding groups. He play word salad with phrases like "housing authority", "zoning commissions," "credit reporting agencies" and various city and county policing orgs.

Undoubtedly they would work in some cases. He certainly had a skill with a printer and some imagination. But a friend whom was in one of his rental properties collected them and would display them proudly on his refrigerator. We'd hang out in that apartment drinking beer and laugh about them.

A bunch of years ago the slumlord turned up dead in a river nearby. They never figured out who did it.

From what I've heard, APD is pretty farked up. This guy (the chief) needs to be in front of a federal grand jury answering some tough aers questions, and the whole department needs to be re trained and the culture seriously changed.

Until then, people need to keep the heat up. I'm amazed they haven't gotten rid of him yet.

Cdr.Murdock:From what I've heard, APD is pretty farked up. This guy (the chief) needs to be in front of a federal grand jury answering some tough aers questions, and the whole department needs to be re trained and the culture seriously changed.

Until then, people need to keep the heat up. I'm amazed they haven't gotten rid of him yet.

Eden was just appointed in February. He stepped into a shiatstorm. He's in a no-win situation.

ApocoLypstick:Cdr.Murdock: From what I've heard, APD is pretty farked up. This guy (the chief) needs to be in front of a federal grand jury answering some tough aers questions, and the whole department needs to be re trained and the culture seriously changed.

Until then, people need to keep the heat up. I'm amazed they haven't gotten rid of him yet.

Eden was just appointed in February. He stepped into a shiatstorm. He's in a no-win situation.

That being said, the entire department needs a major overhaul.

Eden was appointed in February. The APD has shot 4 people to death since then. Contrasted, Detroit has had only 3 officer-involved deaths in the same time. How bad is it when DETROIT does a better job...

I fully concede they need a major overhaul, but to single Eden out as the cause is unfair. Personally, I am on the fence about some of the shootings, and I can't begin to fathom how difficult it would to be an LEO in this state. There are people here that truly believe this is still the wild, wild west and act accordingly.

Someone needs to take real serious look at how people with mental illnesses are handled. IMHO, that is the biggest issue we have here.

Marcus Aurelius:"It just seems like it's been increasingly hard for us to even do our business, whether it's about this or other matters," council member Isaac Benton told the Journal. "If anything, it's demoralizing for those of us on the council who are trying to do something about the problem."

Trying to do something about the problem? There is only one solution, and that's to fire the police chief and everyone who works for that filthy animal, and replace them with real human beings.

Because firing a bunch of high ranking police officers obviously won't have a negative impact on crime rates, right?

ignacio Marcus Aurelius: "It just seems like it's been increasingly hard for us to even do our business, whether it's about this or other matters," council member Isaac Benton told the Journal. "If anything, it's demoralizing for those of us on the council who are trying to do something about the problem."Trying to do something about the problem? There is only one solution, and that's to fire the police chief and everyone who works for that filthy animal, and replace them with real human beings.Because firing a bunch of high ranking police officers obviously won't have a negative impact on crime rates, right?

First this was never about crime stats. This is about how APD likes to shoot people. Too often crime rates are bullshiat anyway. Compustat is pretty much a spreadsheet that classifies crime and where it happens. But there is the problem of garbage in, garbage out. If you have ever seen 'The Wire' it takes this on directly. The 81st in NYC had issues with people being arrested for no reason to keep up stats, but serious crime was reclassified to lesser crimes.

This situation is about making sure the police serve the community and don't get too shooty with people that don't immediately comply. And the people in charge are responsible for making sure the police on the street act responsible.

"Law" is whatever the rich people with the most guns say it is, and nothing else.

We have no real "legal authority" to any of this land in America. We have no "legal reason" to be able to make laws that others must now follow, even those people that were here before us and want no part of our new society. We just had the most guns and thus that gave us the "legal authority" to take land and property and businesses and resources and make our own "laws".

We do have the ability to make laws because we have guns and lots of them and a lot of wealthy people that can get people to use those guns for their benefit.

If the rich folks with the guns decide to take over America, get rid of the Constitution, and start a new Constitution, then that will be the "law".

So in my mind, as long as the folks coming in with their "people's arrest warrant" are armed enough and willing, their warrant is as valid as any sheriff's warrant.

"Law" is whatever the rich people with the most guns say it is, and nothing else.

We have no real "legal authority" to any of this land in America. We have no "legal reason" to be able to make laws that others must now follow, even those people that were here before us and want no part of our new society. We just had the most guns and thus that gave us the "legal authority" to take land and property and businesses and resources and make our own "laws".

We do have the ability to make laws because we have guns and lots of them and a lot of wealthy people that can get people to use those guns for their benefit.

If the rich folks with the guns decide to take over America, get rid of the Constitution, and start a new Constitution, then that will be the "law".

So in my mind, as long as the folks coming in with their "people's arrest warrant" are armed enough and willing, their warrant is as valid as any sheriff's warrant.

Well, I see SOMEONE took his first semester of college at the Denver Community College.

Cdr.Murdock:the whole department needs to be re trained and the culture seriously changed.

As is the case with most law enforcement agencies in this country. But few departments or politicians seem to want to enact real reforms. The only high profile case of reform I've heard about was in SLC, where police chief Burbank has been pushing for deescalation during confrontations.

I think the problem is that police departments won't be able to do it on their own since few people in their leadership have the kind of mentality as Mr. Burbank. They'll begrudgingly push for minor changes at behest of their jurisdiction's leadership or lawsuits from the DOJ, but it won't be something they personally want to accomplish.

It'll require towns, counties and even states to push for rules that require personality testing of new recruits in order to weed out the super-alphas, the bullies and the anti-social types that really shouldn't be in civilian law enforcement. And they'll need to stand up to police unions and have everyone retested every few years to remove people whose attitudes have degraded to such a point that they're now a liability.

flynn80:Tiki torches and garden rakes just don't have the same effect today as the torches and pitchforks of the past.

Torches are a dumb touch, they ruin the natural night vision. Instead, arm them with axes, hammers, machetes, and litter sticks, as the closest ways of bringing back the ancient ways of fighting. Lawn darts if you got 'em.