People have decided who they're going to vote so whatever people say isn't going to change anything.

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You'd be wrong in that assessment. Not everyone is that straight set in what they are going to do in every match. That is why people that like Saber keep warning you to stop with the smack talk. Because they have seen it happen before and are afraid someone will troll Saber out to shut you up.

If you don't think that someone would do that, then you don't know this game very well

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Maybe you're right because it looks like people have trolled Saber a lot in her current match. Perhaps I'm wrong because not everyone have voted yet but the scores does look a bit out of the place and that could indeed be related to what you're saying. But that's not necessarily the case. I doubt that though.

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Nah that isn't people trolling Saber. The people that voted Kallen all like her better then Saber, and Sakura has a quiet fanbase. If someone wanted to troll Saber then three people would point bomb Sakura and another one for Kallen.

To this point in the tournament nothing has been trolled.

The only obvious trolling that has happened to this point was in the favor of Saber in the prelims when it looked like she could lose to Sora which led to Quatre asking others to give Sora support. So up until now, Saber is the only character to get questionable support of anykind.

I did like her. Just not to the level that you do. Everyone to me in FSN is alright to good. I don't highly rank anyone from it. Because to me it was just a average to good Anime with nothing great about it. It was worth watching, and the characters are interesting enough to care about the story and universe. But I just don't get why it as a whole is loved so much. I asked AK that as he likes it more then me and he couldn't explain it... Though I'd likely have better a chance in getting LIT to point bomb Asuka then I would getting AK to explain anything as to why he likes something

You'd be wrong in that assessment. Not everyone is that straight set in what they are going to do in every match. That is why people that like Saber keep warning you to stop with the smack talk. Because they have seen it happen before and are afraid someone will troll Saber out to shut you up.

If you don't think that someone would do that, then you don't know this game very well

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Maybe you're right because it looks like people have trolled Saber a lot in her current match. Perhaps I'm wrong because not everyone have voted yet but the scores does look a bit out of the place and that could indeed be related to what you're saying. But that's not necessarily the case. I doubt that though.

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Nah that isn't people trolling Saber. The people that voted Kallen all like her better then Saber, and Sakura has a quiet fanbase. If someone wanted to troll Saber then three people would point bomb Sakura and another one for Kallen.

To this point in the tournament nothing has been trolled.

The only obvious trolling that has happened to this point was in the favor of Saber in the prelims when it looked like she could lose to Sora which led to Quatre asking others to give Sora support. So up until now, Saber is the only character to get questionable support of anykind.

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I've seen several cases of people asking for support so I don't think that one incident quality as trolling. In fact, I've seen people making deals regarding whom they're going to vote if they return the favor later on. In other words, that was definitely not trolling.

Except all of that was in the open, and pic posting, and in no way did anyone have to agree if they didn't want to.

That prelim match was intentionally done to benefit Saber by calling in Vesti users to vote for her to make sure she won. That sir is trolling the match by getting people that otherwise would have no interest in voting to add a vote to your opinion. Who ever did that infact did attempt to troll the match.

And only because Coldstone didn't want to punish Saber's fans that play legit was she not Dq'd for that in the prelims. and that much is a fact.
From what I know about it he decided to let Saber and sora both into the tournament because both AK and LIT told him that would be the best solution and then to DQ if it happened again to that extent.

It was trolling, because it was obvious vote whoring that me and GMD called people out on when it happened. Even LIT did. Because it was obvious.

That is just simple fact and not me hating on Saber for lulz. She was the only character to get that kind of outside support.

Except all of that was in the open, and pic posting, and in no way did anyone have to agree if they didn't want to.

That prelim match was intentionally done to benefit Saber by calling in Vesti users to vote for her to make sure she won. That sir is trolling the match by getting people that otherwise would have no interest in voting to add a vote to your opinion. Who ever did that infact did attempt to troll the match.

And only because Coldstone didn't want to punish Saber's fans that play legit was she not Dq'd for that in the prelims. and that much is a fact.
From what I know about it he decided to let Saber and sora both into the tournament because both AK and LIT told him that would be the best solution and then to DQ if it happened again to that extent.

It was trolling, because it was obvious vote whoring that me and GMD called people out on when it happened. Even LIT did. Because it was obvious.

That is just simple fact and not me hating on Saber for lulz. She was the only character to get that kind of outside support.

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I wasn't around during the preliminary match so I don't know the whole true story behind whatever happened back then.

Except all of that was in the open, and pic posting, and in no way did anyone have to agree if they didn't want to.

That prelim match was intentionally done to benefit Saber by calling in Vesti users to vote for her to make sure she won. That sir is trolling the match by getting people that otherwise would have no interest in voting to add a vote to your opinion. Who ever did that infact did attempt to troll the match.

And only because Coldstone didn't want to punish Saber's fans that play legit was she not Dq'd for that in the prelims. and that much is a fact.
From what I know about it he decided to let Saber and sora both into the tournament because both AK and LIT told him that would be the best solution and then to DQ if it happened again to that extent.

It was trolling, because it was obvious vote whoring that me and GMD called people out on when it happened. Even LIT did. Because it was obvious.

That is just simple fact and not me hating on Saber for lulz. She was the only character to get that kind of outside support.

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I wasn't around during the preliminary match so I don't know the whole true story behind whatever happened back then.

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

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And not just because I wouldn't touch the Vesti with a ten foot pole.

DARKFIRE, sez I have my suspicions as to who did it, but I'll keep those to myself.

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

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But the rules clearly state that everyone is welcome to vote and therefore that's not a valid reason to close the match. There's nothing that specifically states that one cannot make other people from the vesti or anywhere else vote in the match so I'm not sure why that round was closed when looking at the rules.

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

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But the rules clearly state that everyone is welcome to vote and therefore that's not a valid reason to close the match. There's nothing that specifically states that one cannot make other people from the vesti or anywhere else vote in the match so I'm not sure why that round was closed when looking at the rules.

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I think it's a matter of getting some friends from elsewhere on the forum that may not have much interest to vote for your specific character in a match. That is pretty underhanded and shouldn't be allowed. It would be completely different if someone was just advertising this competition in general on the Vesti. Not going "hey gais vote for this person in this thread." That shouldn't be allowed.

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

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But the rules clearly state that everyone is welcome to vote and therefore that's not a valid reason to close the match. There's nothing that specifically states that one cannot make other people from the vesti or anywhere else vote in the match so I'm not sure why that round was closed when looking at the rules.

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The rule is for users that visit this board. Those guys i have seen on the vesti for years and I know they never come to this board. They were called in to specifically vote for Saber. and everyone knew it. The Everyone is welcome to vote, is intended for Anime board users interested in voting because they are interested in voting.

Not [insert random username here] being called in to vote for who they are told to vote for.

Because that is not them voting it is someone telling them who to vote for.

It has happened to many times before for most on this board to not catch onto it quick when people out of the normal vote when they otherwise never would.

none of those guys would have wanted to vote for Saber or anyone else unless they were asked to do so.

Didn't vote in the prelim either, though I did see it. But yeah...I generally would rather avoid smack talk and just see plain ol' voting. And to be honest, FSN the anime itself doesn't really do Saber justice, or hell, a number of its other characters, at that. It gets too cheesy, and she's too powerful in it, especially considering that was Saber in "gimped" mode. She wasn't really, because Shiro was almost like a second Servant fighting with her. My liking for her is more because I read, then last year, watched Fate/Zero.

Now that was a proper war.

That said...Shiro's final lines in FSN still give the romantic in me chills, every time I think about them. =P

And I know, I'm not on the board much...but I have to budget my online time with other interests, because, hell, working on a graduate degree tends to slaughter most of that time there...

Vesti users that never come to the Anime board voted in the Saber/Sora/Lacus ???? someone else preliminary match for 5 year characters for them to qualify for the Tournament. only one was supposed to make it and Sora was very close to taking the lead and then vesti users that never come to this board started voting.

And then people called them out on it. and the match was closed and both Saber and Sora were put into the tournament on a exception. Dark didn't have anything to do with that matter. Though I am sure he remembers it, because after it happened he posted for the person that did it to never do it again

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But the rules clearly state that everyone is welcome to vote and therefore that's not a valid reason to close the match. There's nothing that specifically states that one cannot make other people from the vesti or anywhere else vote in the match so I'm not sure why that round was closed when looking at the rules.

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I think it's a matter of getting some friends from elsewhere on the forum that may not have much interest to vote for your specific character in a match. That is pretty underhanded and shouldn't be allowed. It would be completely different if someone was just advertising this competition in general on the Vesti. Not going "hey gais vote for this person in this thread." That shouldn't be allowed.

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This.

AK told Chibkey to advertise it in his character of the week threads on the vesti so that anyone interested could join in. And I agreed to that.

Though the thing with the Saber prelim match happened before Chibs ever posted the link to matches on the vesti. So it was obvious people had been called in.
And I didn't want that stuff going on again because it happened before and led to people getting pissed and trolling eachother over it for two straight years.

Anyone that wants to vote that choses to do so is welcome to. the particular group of guys in that match would have never posted here unless asked to, and thus it was obvious call in votes [aka] Trolling the match for one's benefit for who they wanted to win.

I entertained the possibility of Dq'ing Saber and Sora and adding Lacus. But after i talked to AK and LIT about it, I agreed with their assessment that adding Saber and sora and putting down the rule that if anything like that happened again the character receiving that added help from users that would not vote here would result in the character being DQ'd if it was excessive like in that prelim match. since then that hasn't happened, and I doubt it will.

And to be honest, FSN the anime itself doesn't really do Saber justice, or hell, a number of its other characters, at that. It gets too cheesy, and she's too powerful in it, especially considering that was Saber in "gimped" mode. She wasn't really, because Shiro was almost like a second Servant fighting with her. My liking for her is more because I read, then last year, watched Fate/Zero.

I think it's a matter of getting some friends from elsewhere on the forum that may not have much interest to vote for your specific character in a match. That is pretty underhanded and shouldn't be allowed. It would be completely different if someone was just advertising this competition in general on the Vesti. Not going "hey gais vote for this person in this thread." That shouldn't be allowed.

The rule is for users that visit this board. Those guys i have seen on the vesti for years and I know they never come to this board. They were called in to specifically vote for Saber. and everyone knew it. The Everyone is welcome to vote, is intended for Anime board users interested in voting because they are interested in voting.

Not [insert random username here] being called in to vote for who they are told to vote for.

Because that is not them voting it is someone telling them who to vote for.

It has happened to many times before for most on this board to not catch onto it quick when people out of the normal vote when they otherwise never would.

none of those guys would have wanted to vote for Saber or anyone else unless they were asked to do so.

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I understand and wholeheartedly agree that one shouldn't be allowed to sabotage that match by renting people (if you can call it that) into the match and tell them who to vote and so forth. I'm not really sure who did that but one have to be overly desperate to bring people from outside the Anime boards simply to make sure that one of their characters advance. I'm really curious regarding who did that because it looks like Darkfire and I are the only two that have more than the average affection towards Saber. That's interesting... Who was it?

Naw, I'm pretty sure there's a few others here who have Saber as at least their number 2 or 3 most liked character, so it could easily have been that. Quatre, like I mentioned earlier...from what I remember, only really likes Sora (and maybe one other?) over her...which probably made that prelim match silly interesting, heh...and unfortunately trolly for both him and Dark. There is a reason she gets talked about this much, heh.

Like, tbh, I think probably two or three of those Kallen votes in the current match would be Saber votes against anyone else...but heh, Saber's never actually beaten Kallen on this board in any head to head voting, as far as I can remember.

Naw, I'm pretty sure there's a few others here who have Saber as at least their number 2 or 3 most liked character, so it could easily have been that. Quatre, like I mentioned earlier...from what I remember, only really likes Sora (and maybe one other?) over her...which probably made that prelim match silly interesting, heh...and unfortunately trolly for both him and Dark. There is a reason she gets talked about this much, heh.

Like, tbh, I think probably two or three of those Kallen votes in the current match would be Saber votes against anyone else...but heh, Saber's never actually beaten Kallen on this board in any head to head voting, as far as I can remember.

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i only remember the one meeting in the 2010 DFC Finals. other then This current match. But i likely would have voted for Saber over Sakura and Rei.

Naw, I'm pretty sure there's a few others here who have Saber as at least their number 2 or 3 most liked character, so it could easily have been that. Quatre, like I mentioned earlier...from what I remember, only really likes Sora (and maybe one other?) over her...which probably made that prelim match silly interesting, heh...and unfortunately trolly for both him and Dark. There is a reason she gets talked about this much, heh.

Like, tbh, I think probably two or three of those Kallen votes in the current match would be Saber votes against anyone else...but heh, Saber's never actually beaten Kallen on this board in any head to head voting, as far as I can remember.

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Saber have been around for years so she's definitely somewhat wanted but I'm curious why she's never won. I guess that Kallen and Saber are the two very popular characters in the game. I hope that Saber may face Kallen in round 3 so that I can experience them head to head myself. I'm sure that Saber didn't only advance because someone sabotaged the prelim...

Naw, I'm pretty sure there's a few others here who have Saber as at least their number 2 or 3 most liked character, so it could easily have been that. Quatre, like I mentioned earlier...from what I remember, only really likes Sora (and maybe one other?) over her...which probably made that prelim match silly interesting, heh...and unfortunately trolly for both him and Dark. There is a reason she gets talked about this much, heh.

Like, tbh, I think probably two or three of those Kallen votes in the current match would be Saber votes against anyone else...but heh, Saber's never actually beaten Kallen on this board in any head to head voting, as far as I can remember.

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Saber have been around for years so she's definitely somewhat wanted but I'm curious why she's never won. I guess that Kallen and Saber are the two very popular characters in the game. I hope that Saber may face Kallen in round 3 so that I can experience them head to head myself. I'm sure that Saber didn't only advance because someone sabotaged the prelim...

DARKFIRE, sez to be fair Writtenonclouds, like every third post in this thread is Martin's, and thus the bullseye presents itself regularly.

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I'm only talking about Saber when she's currently in a match.

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It certainly looked like Sora had it in the bag. With hours to go every Saber fan I knew of had voted (and quite a few for Sora at that). Saber was both saved and damned by that intervention. Hopefully that'll be the last of its kind.

The later comment was regarding Kallen's meeting with Saber in the Finals the year before last. Which is a story that I've already told twice in this thread that I can remember, and thus doesn't bear repeating.

Naw, I'm pretty sure there's a few others here who have Saber as at least their number 2 or 3 most liked character, so it could easily have been that. Quatre, like I mentioned earlier...from what I remember, only really likes Sora (and maybe one other?) over her...which probably made that prelim match silly interesting, heh...and unfortunately trolly for both him and Dark. There is a reason she gets talked about this much, heh.

Like, tbh, I think probably two or three of those Kallen votes in the current match would be Saber votes against anyone else...but heh, Saber's never actually beaten Kallen on this board in any head to head voting, as far as I can remember.

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Saber have been around for years so she's definitely somewhat wanted but I'm curious why she's never won. I guess that Kallen and Saber are the two very popular characters in the game. I hope that Saber may face Kallen in round 3 so that I can experience them head to head myself. I'm sure that Saber didn't only advance because someone sabotaged the prelim...

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They won't face in round 3. they will both be seeded too high to meet that early.

As far as the prelim goes, it is impossible to say who out of her and Sora would have won, because it didn;'t get to be decided cleanly. But the main reason i suggested it to Cold to let Saber and Sora in, was that the fans that wanted to legit support them shouldn't lose that chance because of what happened in the prelim and to just set rules then and there that if it happened again, characters getting outside help like that from users that would otherwise not want to or bother to vote would be DQ'd.

But Saber's never won in other years because someone was more popular, and with 2010, the alt voting affected the last few rounds to the extent that i'm not sure who the hell the finalist would have been had there been no alt voting. lol

I never studied the bracket to check and see and discount all the alts. My guess is Holo probably would have won in 2010 if not for the alts.

That bunny costume Sora wore while replacing that trapeze girl was pretty cute. And it seems I wasn't the only one that thought so.

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I only made it to ep 5. I gotta tell yah, if half the kids today had Sora's determination, then the world would be 10X's better. I stopped watching at ep 5 b/c I lost a bit of interest. I plan on finishing it someday doe.

And that magical doll that talks to her, Idk if it really exists or if Sora is a schizo

You don't owe me an apology. I expected Saber to advance past round 2 with ease but the reason why I vote bombed Diva mas a fine mixture of both desperation and not the required understanding in relation to how the game works. I also vote bombed Diva a whole day before the match actually ended when I should have waited instead because I confused when the match was supposed to close with another match. The result of this gamble is that all my claims have advanced past round 1 and Saber recently advanced past around 2. This may be the best "mistake" that I've ever made because that only caused everything to go the way I originally intended. ^_^

You don't owe me an apology. I expected Saber to advance past round 2 with ease but the reason why I vote bombed Diva mas a fine mixture of both desperation and not the required understanding in relation to how the game works. I also vote bombed Diva a whole day before the match actually ended when I should have waited instead because I confused when the match was supposed to close with another match. The result of this gamble is that all my claims have advanced past round 1 and Saber recently advanced past around 2. This may be the best "mistake" that I've ever made because that only caused everything to go the way I originally intended. ^_^

Saber. <3

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no, your just lucky that Kallen was in that match also or Sakura would have eliminated Saber.