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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

It's funny, all of those services you listed require proof of citizenship. Yes, they do those things, they also do them well and for less than half of a citizen. Same quality, half the cost. But if Americans aren't going for those jobs, they aren't going for them. Illegal immigrants only get an upper hand if all the other resources have been exhausted; they're a liability.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

Cheap food is an illusion if we have to give them schools, health care, food stamps etc. But illegals do much more than agricultural. Much of the construction, restaurant, hotel, etc work as well. And again, legal immigrants compete with Americans and pull wages down as well.
Actually much of the agricultural workers are here on temporary work permits, and are expected to return home.

You can't get those as illegals. The American-born children of immigrants who attend public schools are not illegal, they are American citizens. It doesn't matter if you don't like that. It's fact.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

And yet another generality... I guess that's what the right wing does best.

Capitalism dictated that those jobs moved overseas. And how can someone say "American laborers would like to regain those heavy industry jobs?" They aren't big paying by the way. Just ask those in other countries.

Stop trying to engage in protectionism.

It's kind of ironic how a siege mindset or isolationist view on foreign policy is something conservatives would all resoundingly denounce, yet on the topic of immigration they switch right over and adopt that mindset on pseudoscience economic reasonings.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Are you suggesting there is a correlation between a particular language and aptitude, general intelligence, or success?

Absolutely not!

I'm merely attempting to point out that even within certain demographics there is a an "us against them" mentality that seems to be apparent.

Most Texans who trace their family lineage back to Mexico, have virtually nothing in common with a Hispanic from Cuba.

Most Hispanics I know take offense when they're ignorantly called "Mexicans" when many of them have never visited that country in their lives, but who actually speak Castillian Spanish.

The topic of 'immigration' itself isn't even universal along the "border states" of the Southwestern United States.

What's truly surprising here, and why this topic is of interest, is that for the first time a Republican Senator from Florida, with a Latin Surname is actually proposing getting past the "amnesty" debate, and actually attempting to rationally deal with this issue head on.

At this point nothing else really matters.

Some Republicans seem to think that this might give them some inroads into the Hispanic "voting bloc," and I'm sure that they're right.

So called Republicans like Ann Coulter want to sale books, promote their hate, and keep the country divided on this issue.

I was just trying to point out that just because it's perceived that "they" don't speak English doesn't mean that they're all the same, and that family of 5th or 6th Generation Mexican/Americans share the same history as those families from California.

They were here first, and it's always interesting to learn about and to know, and to see things from their perspective.

Last edited by CTF; February 10th, 2013 at 04:04 PM.

Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by centexfarmer

I was just trying to point out that just because it's perceived that "they" don't speak English doesn't mean that they're all the same, and that family of 5th or 6th Generation Mexican/Americans share the same history as those families from California.

They were here first, and it's always interesting to learn about and to know, and to see things from their perspective.

Yup. There are definitely a lot of old families in California who can with all honesty and rightness say: we didn't come to the U.S., the U.S. came to us. The map changed.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

I was referring to Chinese immigrants, mainly the undocumented ones... but yea that is perhaps true.

Oh, it's definitely true -- the federal government handed out incredible tracts of land to the railroads, gave them authority to condemn land and move people out of the way of their chosen route, and more, to the point that they actually made a profit (long term) from building the railroad across the west, besides from running it.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

I question the World Bank as to their logic in that ranking. Brazil seems to be having many new businesses open up with government support. The economy took a breather last year, but is back on track. Regardless it's strange they put it at 130th, yet it's economy has increased to the 6th or 7th largest in the world powered by a mixture of economic growth that remains within the limits of respecting its people.

A good piece of that is due to the fact that unless the business you want to start is part of the government's plan, you may as well be trying to plant petunias on a sand dune (the flip side being that if you want to start a business that fits the government's plan, it's about as hard as running down a sand dune).

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by HenryReardon

The problem is this: Giancarlo is the one who's insisting that 2 + 2 = 5.

It would be more accurate to say that Giancarlo insists that the sum of two and two lies between the lowest two odd primes; meanwhile, you seem to hold the position that the sum is equal to pi, except that you've rounded pi to three.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

American laborers would like to regain those big paying heavy industry jobs.

That's never going to happen, because the world as a whole is losing those jobs. China and Korea even complain that the number of manufacturing jobs is decreasing, and the reason is simple: robots now do the work, and they don't need health plans or retirement or unemployment or any of a number of other things humans do.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

If we were to keep the same number of workers and not have robots in the work force, prices for those manufactured goods would increase, and the right wingers would complain about that.

Probably. The people who tried to defend the jobs of candle makers after the invention of the electric light were very much like today's right-wingers.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

Probably. The people who tried to defend the jobs of candle makers after the invention of the electric light were very much like today's right-wingers.

It is the other way around. As jobs are eliminated by technology, the Democrats insist upon importing cheap labor for jobs which do not exist. And, they try to justify it by pointing to the immigration of Iris, Italians, etc in the olden days, when jobs were being created, and employers did not want to hire blacks.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

Oh, it's definitely true -- the federal government handed out incredible tracts of land to the railroads, gave them authority to condemn land and move people out of the way of their chosen route, and more, to the point that they actually made a profit (long term) from building the railroad across the west, besides from running it.

Have you actually studied the history of railroads in the US?
Yes, they were given a section of land or thereabouts for each mile of railroad constructed, they sold the land to gain construction funds, and many, if not most, of them were bankrupt before 1900. Railroading was not all that profitable in the early days.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

That's never going to happen, because the world as a whole is losing those jobs. China and Korea even complain that the number of manufacturing jobs is decreasing, and the reason is simple: robots now do the work, and they don't need health plans or retirement or unemployment or any of a number of other things humans do.

I'm really looking forward to posts from Benny accusing the Democrats of bringing in billions of illegal robots to vote for Hillary in 2016.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

It is the other way around. As jobs are eliminated by technology, the Democrats insist upon importing cheap labor for jobs which do not exist. And, they try to justify it by pointing to the immigration of Iris, Italians, etc in the olden days, when jobs were being created, and employers did not want to hire blacks.

Wat.

In your world, Benvolio, did liberals kill the electric car and stifle hydrogen fuel cell technology and biofuel tech to such a degree that Brasil got there ahead of us?

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

In your world, Benvolio, did liberals kill the electric car and stifle hydrogen fuel cell technology and biofuel tech to such a degree that Brasil got there ahead of us?

LOL

Brazil has done what so many right-wingers in the US cry for: they run the country like a business. Of course, what the right wingers mean by the phrase is that they want the government to hand the country over to business....

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "