I think people are over reacting over the "Twist" with Mandarin. I read it and at first I was pissed, but after reading peoples reactions and reviews, and discussions, I will hold my final judgment until I see the movie next week.

I wasn't a fan of the twist. But my wife and mates that came to see the film with me loved it (non-comic fans). They weren't wowed by it in a WTF type of revelation, but thought it was entertaining.

What disappoints me the most about it is

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that Kingsley was so damn good in the role when he was "playing" Mandarin. And there's so much of his dialogue that was in the trailers which has been cut. I'm almost wondering whether the twist was a late edition or if they purposely played the fans. Or maybe they just reduced his role to give more time to Killian.

I see, do you remember the trailer dialogue that was cut from the movie?

I think people are over reacting over the "Twist" with Mandarin. I read it and at first I was pissed, but after reading peoples reactions and reviews, and discussions, I will hold my final judgment until I see the movie next week.

It depends on what you mean by an over reaction. If you know going into it what the plot twist is well then you've prepared yourself for it and it's not going to have the same impact. I think if you thought you were going to get Kingsley being awesome you have a right to be annoyed. Plot twists are cool and all but sometimes they can backfire.

I see, do you remember the trailer dialogue that was cut from the movie?

Things that come to mind:

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Mr Stark, today is the first day of what's left of your life.

I'm gunna offer you the choice. Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death.

Lesson number 1. Heroes, there's no such thing.

Feel free to pull me up if people recall hearing these. And whether the first line I wrote was even said by him or Killian (hard to tell in the trailer since they don't show the face when it's being said).

It depends on what you mean by an over reaction. If you know going into it what the plot twist is well then you've prepared yourself for it and it's not going to have the same impact. I think if you thought you were going to get Kingsley being awesome you have a right to be annoyed. Plot twists are cool and all but sometimes they can backfire.

I knew about it going in but still disappointed. Having said that, I loved the movie and I'm over the whole twist thing now. I've accepted what they were trying to achieve and that there's a bigger picture to enjoy rather than get worked up over a

I'm gunna offer you the choice. Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death.

Lesson number 1. Heroes, there's no such thing.

Feel free to pull me up if people recall hearing these. And whether the first line I wrote was even said by him or Killian (hard to tell in the trailer since they don't show the face when it's being said).

All of those lines are memorable and intimidating... can't see why they cut them.

People basically need to harden the **** up. The 'theory' posted earlier about Killian actually being the Mandarin isn't just a theory, he flat out says at the end 'I AM THE MANDARIN'. He can breath fire, has the asian tattoos... He plays the role, as a string puller and heavy hitter and that is fine for me. So for all the people butt hurt about it, think of it this way...isn't it nice, just once, to go into a comic book film and be SURPRISED? Instead of being the idiotic know it all who nudges their friend/gf/wife every few minutes to say "Oh, that's bla bla from the comics"... Doesn't it feel nice to be as taken in by a story that's fresh and interesting as we might have been when we first read the comics that made us fall in love with the characters to begin with? If you just want to see a film that's a carbon copy of the comics, I would suggest reading the comics and just turning the pages really fast. The twist WORKED, it didn't diminish the threat, in fact Killian/Mandarin ended up being the strongest villain that Iron Man has faced YET (which has always been a weak point of the films).

Also, just think on what an amazing feat it was for a twist like this to stay under wraps, throughout all the trailers and rumours and everything. Like Kingsley himself says, "You'll never see me coming!". And we didn't. So why is that a BAD thing?

People basically need to harden the **** up. The 'theory' posted earlier about Killian actually being the Mandarin isn't just a theory, he flat out says at the end 'I AM THE MANDARIN'. He can breath fire, has the asian tattoos... He plays the role, as a string puller and heavy hitter and that is fine for me. So for all the people butt hurt about it, think of it this way...isn't it nice, just once, to go into a comic book film and be SURPRISED? Instead of being the idiotic know it all who nudges their friend/gf/wife every few minutes to say "Oh, that's bla bla from the comics"... Doesn't it feel nice to be as taken in by a story that's fresh and interesting as we might have been when we first read the comics that made us fall in love with the characters to begin with? If you just want to see a film that's a carbon copy of the comics, I would suggest reading the comics and just turning the pages really fast. The twist WORKED, it didn't diminish the threat, in fact Killian/Mandarin ended up being the strongest villain that Iron Man has faced YET (which has always been a weak point of the films).

Also, just think on what an amazing feat it was for a twist like this to stay under wraps, throughout all the trailers and rumours and everything. Like Kingsley himself says, "You'll never see me coming!". And we didn't. So why is that a BAD thing?

People basically need to harden the **** up. The 'theory' posted earlier about Killian actually being the Mandarin isn't just a theory, he flat out says at the end 'I AM THE MANDARIN'. He can breath fire, has the asian tattoos... He plays the role, as a string puller and heavy hitter and that is fine for me. So for all the people butt hurt about it, think of it this way...isn't it nice, just once, to go into a comic book film and be SURPRISED? Instead of being the idiotic know it all who nudges their friend/gf/wife every few minutes to say "Oh, that's bla bla from the comics"... Doesn't it feel nice to be as taken in by a story that's fresh and interesting as we might have been when we first read the comics that made us fall in love with the characters to begin with? If you just want to see a film that's a carbon copy of the comics, I would suggest reading the comics and just turning the pages really fast. The twist WORKED, it didn't diminish the threat, in fact Killian/Mandarin ended up being the strongest villain that Iron Man has faced YET (which has always been a weak point of the films).

Also, just think on what an amazing feat it was for a twist like this to stay under wraps, throughout all the trailers and rumours and everything. Like Kingsley himself says, "You'll never see me coming!". And we didn't. So why is that a BAD thing?

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Like how you're thinking. They use the traditional Mandarin dressing and speak as the facade and then put the traditional power and personality into Killian. I really have no problem with it and seems like an ingenious way to get the Mandarin into the Extremis storyline he was never actually a part of in the comics. Have a feeling his mapped brain will somehow get used in a future MCU movie/plot somehow.

People basically need to harden the **** up. The 'theory' posted earlier about Killian actually being the Mandarin isn't just a theory, he flat out says at the end 'I AM THE MANDARIN'. He can breath fire, has the asian tattoos... He plays the role, as a string puller and heavy hitter and that is fine for me. So for all the people butt hurt about it, think of it this way...isn't it nice, just once, to go into a comic book film and be SURPRISED? Instead of being the idiotic know it all who nudges their friend/gf/wife every few minutes to say "Oh, that's bla bla from the comics"... Doesn't it feel nice to be as taken in by a story that's fresh and interesting as we might have been when we first read the comics that made us fall in love with the characters to begin with? If you just want to see a film that's a carbon copy of the comics, I would suggest reading the comics and just turning the pages really fast. The twist WORKED, it didn't diminish the threat, in fact Killian/Mandarin ended up being the strongest villain that Iron Man has faced YET (which has always been a weak point of the films).

Also, just think on what an amazing feat it was for a twist like this to stay under wraps, throughout all the trailers and rumours and everything. Like Kingsley himself says, "You'll never see me coming!". And we didn't. So why is that a BAD thing?

No ones disputing the twist didn't work, they're saying it's not what they hoped for. People are allowed to not like how things are executed you know. If you liked how it was executed and are fine with who you got as a villain, more power to you, others aren't, simple as that really. Telling people to harden the **** up makes you sound like an obnoxious fanboy. If people feel cheated then they feel cheated.

People basically need to harden the **** up. The 'theory' posted earlier about Killian actually being the Mandarin isn't just a theory, he flat out says at the end 'I AM THE MANDARIN'. He can breath fire, has the asian tattoos... He plays the role, as a string puller and heavy hitter and that is fine for me. So for all the people butt hurt about it, think of it this way...isn't it nice, just once, to go into a comic book film and be SURPRISED? Instead of being the idiotic know it all who nudges their friend/gf/wife every few minutes to say "Oh, that's bla bla from the comics"... Doesn't it feel nice to be as taken in by a story that's fresh and interesting as we might have been when we first read the comics that made us fall in love with the characters to begin with? If you just want to see a film that's a carbon copy of the comics, I would suggest reading the comics and just turning the pages really fast. The twist WORKED, it didn't diminish the threat, in fact Killian/Mandarin ended up being the strongest villain that Iron Man has faced YET (which has always been a weak point of the films).

Also, just think on what an amazing feat it was for a twist like this to stay under wraps, throughout all the trailers and rumours and everything. Like Kingsley himself says, "You'll never see me coming!". And we didn't. So why is that a BAD thing?

In YOUR opinion it didn't "diminish the threat" of a villain that no matter the spin doesn't exist. There are a ton of people on here whose opinion greatly differs from yours. So please don't come over here and state "the twist WORKED" because it worked for you but clearly not for everyone. Away from the Marvel thing "mandarin" is a title for a CHINESE public official or high ranking intellectual individual. A white man with affinity for Chinese tattoos is NOT Chinese and therefore not a "mandarin". The villain and name should have never been used. Period.

Finally, this necessity by some people who liked the twist to talk down to the fans who don't like it. Who the **** are you to tell them anything. They didn't like it. You did. Save your opinion if you can't accept that others won't agree with you. There's a reason why people fell in love with the comics. They loved the original stories. Book, novel, and print adaptations are done because fans want to see those stories in the flesh otherwise those stories wouldn't be adapted. Liberties will always be taken. We get it. You supporters of the movie must also get that many fans of the printed material want to see what they grew up loving as is. There will never be agreement. So stop talking down to non-supporters or "idiots" as you labeled them and make a thread for lovers of the film where your opinion will be shared and not questioned.

In YOUR opinion it didn't "diminish the threat" of a villain that no matter the spin doesn't exist. There are a ton of people on here whose opinion greatly differs from yours. So please don't come over here and state "the twist WORKED" because it worked for you but clearly not for everyone. Away from the Marvel thing "mandarin" is a title for a CHINESE public official or high ranking intellectual individual. A white man with affinity for Chinese tattoos is NOT Chinese and therefore not a "mandarin". The villain and name should have never been used. Period.

Finally, this necessity by some people who liked the twist to talk down to the fans who don't like it. Who the **** are you to tell them anything. They didn't like it. You did. Save your opinion if you can't accept that others won't agree with you. There's a reason why people fell in love with the comics. They loved the original stories. Book, novel, and print adaptations are done because fans want to see those stories in the flesh otherwise those stories wouldn't be adapted. Liberties will always be taken. We get it. You supporters of the movie must also get that many fans of the printed material want to see what they grew up loving as is. There will never be agreement. So stop talking down to non-supporters or "idiots" as you labeled them and make a thread for lovers of the film where your opinion will be shared and not questioned.

Thank you!

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He makes it sound like those who hated the twist want a panel for panel recreation of a story line. I don't think a single fan of the comics who hates what they did with the Mandarin wanted everything in the movie to be a mirror image of an Iron Man comic story. A lot of fans just wanted to see IM's main villain in a live action film and they did not get that. Hell, I didn't care that he wasn't Chinese or that his rings didn't do anything, it just would have been nice if he was the main villain and not some hired random guy.

He makes it sound like those who hated the twist want a panel for panel recreation of a story line. I don't think a single fan of the comics who hates what they did with the Mandarin wanted everything in the movie to be a mirror image of an Iron Man comic story. A lot of fans just wanted to see IM's main villain in a live action film and they did not get that. Hell, I didn't care that he wasn't Chinese or that his rings didn't do anything, it just would have been nice if he was the main villain and not some hired random guy.

Pretty much.
My only issues with the twist is that

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the Mandarin "character" was so damn good it was kind of shame to learn it was a sham. He was so chilling and Osama-like.

He makes it sound like those who hated the twist want a panel for panel recreation of a story line. I don't think a single fan of the comics who hates what they did with the Mandarin wanted everything in the movie to be a mirror image of an Iron Man comic story. A lot of fans just wanted to see IM's main villain in a live action film and they did not get that. Hell, I didn't care that he wasn't Chinese or that his rings didn't do anything, it just would have been nice if he was the main villain and not some hired random guy.

Exactly. I never complained about the 1st movie moving to the middle east instead of china. I thought that was a nice update. I will not accept blatant disrespect of a character regardless of whether he is popular or not. Everyone keeps talking about how lame IM's rogues are. So why do you care if anybody defends them? Move on oh enlightened ones and leave us to our own opinions.

I thought Mandarin and Killigan were two different characters in the comic?!

They most definitely are. Mandarin has been around for 50 or so years while Killian was a nobody scientist who stole the Extremis he and Maya Hansen developed to sell it to terrorists. Then he kills himself due to the effects that the Extremis has in creating super terrorists. Lasted about two issues in IM history I believe. A wealth of story background for him to be elevated to a main villain.