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Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

Originally Posted by AdamT

And what a fetus *actually* looks like at the first trimester mark:

How'd you like to take that "baby" to a ball game?

Gladly, it's a living person.

The "unnecessary" medical procedure that should evoke outrage isn't the Va. law's sonogram, it's the ending of a life for the selfishness of the one who helped create it irresponsibly. Unless it's a case of rape, malformation. or life of the mother/child abortion should be shunned by all civilized people.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

Gladly, it's a living person.

The "unnecessary" medical procedure that should evoke outrage isn't the Va. law's sonogram, it's the ending of a life for the selfishness of the one who helped create it irresponsibly. Unless it's a case of rape, malformation. or life of the mother/child abortion should be shunned by all civilized people.

Regardless of what you believe about when life begins, the procedure being mandated is unnecessary. It's an overreach of power by the state government. How can you call yourself and small government Conservative and celebrate this?

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

its very simple: women are NOT second-class citizens. government has no right to force women to stick something up their vagina, especially if it has NOTHING to do with the life or health of the woman.

this is a discretionary prodecure, and if I was a woman I would politely refuse to allow it.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

They are, we just ignore that for political ideology. Kinda like how we used to allow slavery...

Strawman.

And if they aren't notified of the pending birth? What then? "Oh sorry sir, you should have filed the paperwork before the child was born, you owe 55% of your paycheck plus 5 years of back child support.

I'm not going to go through every what if scenario you can come up with, I don't have the time. I'm not going to ask you a questions like "What if the woman dies of an infection because the instrument used to do the vaginal ultrasound wasn't sterile?"

What a nice dodge.

Not a dodge, it's what I believe. It just doesn't fit your argument against me.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

No, I was equating, not saying you made that argument and then knocking it down. If you're going to use the term strawman, at least use it right, it's embarrassing to read.

Originally Posted by Your Star

I'm not going to go through every what if scenario you can come up with, I don't have the time. I'm not going to ask you a questions like "What if the woman dies of an infection because the instrument used to do the vaginal ultrasound wasn't sterile?"

The simple, easy and correct answer is "Three months to "abort" their rights and responsibilities from the day they are notified of the pending childbirth, and to make things "fair" they should have to meet their off spring, should birth have occurred or see the sonogram of the child pre-birth as part of the normal pregnancy process. Your dishonesty on this subject is astounding.

Originally Posted by Your Star

Not a dodge, it's what I believe. It just doesn't fit your argument against me.

You dodged the entire premise because you DO support government controlling peoples lives. When it suits your political ideology.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

Regardless of what you believe about when life begins, the procedure being mandated is unnecessary. It's an overreach of power by the state government. How can you call yourself and small government Conservative and celebrate this?

I don't celebrate this, I celebrate the chance to highlight the hypocrisy of those that support killing unborn children.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

No, I was equating, not saying you made that argument and then knocking it down. If you're going to use the term strawman, at least use it right, it's embarrassing to read.

Maybe. Still slavery is irrelevant to abortion rights.

The simple, easy and correct answer is "Three months to "abort" their rights and responsibilities from the day they are notified of the pending childbirth, and to make things "fair" they should have to meet their off spring, should birth have occurred or see the sonogram of the child pre-birth as part of the normal pregnancy process. Your dishonesty on this subject is astounding.

And I wouldn't necessarily be against that, I'm just not going to answer every hypothetical you can come up with.

You dodged the entire premise because you DO support government controlling peoples lives. When it suits your political ideology.

In ways that protect the peoples basic needs and security, not in unnecessary ways, like this.

Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

"The ultrasound legislation would constitute an unprecedented government mandate to insert vaginal ultrasonic probes into women as part of a state-ordered effort to dissuade them from terminating pregnancies, legislative opponents noted.

"We're talking about inside a woman's body," Del. Charnielle Herring, a Democrat, said in an emotional floor speech. "This is the first time, if we pass this bill, that we will be dictating a medical procedure to a physician.""

Wow. Stay out of my vagina Virginia.

I support baby step abortion curbs.They will eventually lead to severe restriction and possibly a ban.

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