cannabisnews.com: Marijuana Petitioners Call Current Law a Failure
Marijuana Petitioners Call Current Law a Failure
Posted by CN Staff on February 20, 2006 at 07:36:11 PT
By Geoff Dornan
Source: Tahoe Daily Tribune
Carson City, NV -- The head of the committee calling for legalization of marijuana in Nevada says the group does not support use of the drug but rather believes the current prohibition is bad policy and "a miserable failure."Neal Levine, of the Committee to Regulate and Control Marijuana, said instead of banning pot, the proposed statute on Nevada's 2006 ballot would set up a system of manufacture and sales for small amounts of marijuana in Nevada.
It would allow possession and use of an ounce or less of marijuana by adults in their own homes but would double the penalties for selling to minors and prohibit use by those under 21. It would also provide for creation and licensing of retail stores to sell small amounts of pot and tax those sales. Half the revenue would go to the state treasury and the other half to drug and alcohol programs.The goal, he said, is to "pull marijuana out of the criminal market where we're financing the activities of violent gangs and drug dealers and put it into a tightly regulated market where we can have some controls and not penalize adults for something that doesn't harm another person or property."Levine said 770,000 people were arrested in the United States on marijuana offenses - the vast majority for possession. He said federal surveys show 57.5 percent of high school seniors in Nevada admit they've smoked marijuana and more than a quarter of those seniors admit to habitual pot use."Current marijuana laws just don't work," he said. "If the goal of prohibition was to eradicate marijuana use and the marijuana supply, you'd be hard pressed to find another policy that's more of a miserable failure."He emphasized that the committee and its parent organization the Marijuana Policy Project don't advocate marijuana use. He said they want to break the chain of criminal providers and take drug profits away from them."And we're not saying pass this initiative so we take marijuana out of the hands of teenagers," he said. "What we're saying is current laws don't work so let's pull marijuana out of the criminal market."Levine rejected the often-repeated law enforcement theory that marijuana is a "gateway drug" that leads to use of hard drugs including methamphetamine, cocaine and heroin. He said a 1999 National Institute of Health study found no evidence marijuana is a gateway drug."If that were true we'd have 100 million hard drug addicts in the country because almost 50 percent of the people in America have tried marijuana," he said.The ballot question asking voters to change the law to legalize possession of an ounce or less of pot and to set up a system of regulated stores to tax and sell it is already on the 2006 ballot, qualified by petition more than a year ago.Levine said organizers are depending on a volunteer-based, grassroots campaign, knocking on doors and calling people to get out the vote."What we're saying is we have a bad policy. Let's replace it with good policy," he said.Election 2006The ballot question asking voters to change the law to legalize possession of an ounce or less of pot and to set up a system of regulated stores to tax and sell it is on the 2006 ballot, qualified by petition more than a year ago.What would it mean?Passage by voters of the measure to legalize marijuana would:* set up a system of manufacture and sales for small amounts of marijuana;* allow possession and use of an ounce or less of marijuana by adults in their own homes;* double the penalties for selling to minors;* prohibit use by those under 21;* provide for creation and licensing of retail stores to sell small amounts of pot and tax those sales.* Half the revenue would go to the state treasury and half to drug and alcohol programsComplete Title: Marijuana Petitioners Call The Current Law a 'Miserable Failure'Source: Tahoe Daily Tribune (South Lake Tahoe, CA)Author: Geoff DornanPublished: February 20, 2006Copyright: 2006 Tahoe Daily TribuneContact: editor tahoedailytribune.comWebsite: http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/Related Articles & Web Site:Regulate and Control Marijuanahttp://www.regulatemarijuana.org/Marijuana Campaign Started http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21577.shtmlLegalization Backers Launch Nevada Campaignhttp://cannabisnews.com/news/thread21575.shtml
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Comment #86 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 18:53:22 PT
FoM
It's easy to see why you wouldn't trade your tragedy for theirs.
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Comment #85 posted by FoM on February 21, 2006 at 16:21:47 PT
runruffswife
Glad you liked my little expression. I learned that life is really what happens while we are making plans. I don't have control over anything. I wish I did but I don't. I came to a conclusion that I will make it thru if I don't get too upset and understand that I will find peace and hope even when I think there is no such thing. I only had my son for 29 years and many of those years he lived far away so we didn't see or even talk much because our relationship was strained. He was a good son. He had many people who loved and admired him. I know a woman who lives near where I live whose son murdered more then one person on a rampage across the United States years back with another young person. I know a father whose son and girlfriend murdered the girl's father. These families have really suffered. I can always seem to count my blessings anymore.
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Comment #84 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 16:06:14 PT:
FOM, your son
Is a beautiful boy. I am glad you found peace. What a challenge huh.Thank you for saying my head is screwed on straight. It does sound funny. Runruff keeps it straight, just being around his steadiness is such a gift to me.
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Comment #83 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 14:20:28 PT
Whig
I don't remember. It involved some different way the artificial and the real metabolize...of course...but I can't recall exactly at the moment. They may also test for the metabolites of one of the lesser cannabinoids than thc. I can only tell you that they can tell the difference when they want to.My friend. I havn't heard from her in years. We had a falling out. She was, and I'm sure, still is, quite a woman. I found her admirable in many ways. Spirit unbroken she would have made a great leader in a freer world. Dynamite comes in small packages.
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Comment #82 posted by whig on February 21, 2006 at 13:51:05 PT
#81
I wonder if they are testing for CBD?
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Comment #81 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 13:46:22 PT
Something else that happened to my friend...
This question comes up every now and then and some might still wonder. She had a prescription for Marinol to use while she was on probation. She hoped they could not tell the difference between the thcs. I hoped they could not either. They can. They revoked her probation because of the failed drug test.
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Comment #80 posted by FoM on February 21, 2006 at 11:17:36 PT
runruffswife
You sure have your head screwed on straight if you don't mind the pun. It is good to laugh too. When my son was diagnosed with HIV and then full blown AIDS I became so angry that I cursed God and said why would you take my son from me knowing he was my only child? I about consumed myself with hate and then after a few years of anger and prescription drug and alcohol abuse to try to stop the pain I got it and understood and found peace with my son and life in the end.
My Son at About 15 Years Old
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Comment #79 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 10:58:46 PT:
Forgiveness makes you unbreakable.
I believe that. Just a month prior to the bust Jerry and I met Howard Wills, the person who put these prayers out there for use, we met in Southern California, Jerry had just had major eye surgery. We were essentially stuck in Los Angeles for a month due to emergency surgery, so we went to a meeting at someone's house and met this awesome, spiritual individual, a clear vessel for the universal loving, healing energy. He gave us a copy of the prayers and suggested that we read them regularly. We did and do.
After the bust I travelled to Los Angeles to meet in private council with this gentleman and he told us to forgive the DEA agents, forgive that they brought the energy of violence and hatred to our home. Forgive the people we deal with in the Federal Government. He said to keep forgiving and start each day new, with a clear heart, clear your path and goodness will follow. We believe that. He didn't say to lay down like a doormat and let anyone, no matter who they are, to wipe their feet on us. He said to protect your freedoms and to create more freedom daily by forgiving.
He also said it's easier to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble. There has been a lot of good since then. This could have been so much worse. We could have lost our home and property. Jerry could have received a much harsher sentence.
I know without a doubt that Jerry (and myself) is protected by that universal loving energy. Because Jerry is also a clear vessel. You all can hear it in his writings. Runruff is a beautiful person. This is a sad thing to be going through. Yes girls, I will be alright, thank you for your support. It helps me feel good. I will continue to forgive and not let this get me down. This feels very heavy and big and, "how could they!", but Life is too good. And it's part of life to have these times. Like you said about rather having one's own problem than someone else's. Yes.
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Comment #78 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 10:34:46 PT
Forgiveness
Forgiveness makes you unbreakable. You'll be alright.
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Comment #77 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 10:31:35 PT
sometimes it just takes longer to get settled
I don't like the sound of that, either.
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Comment #76 posted by FoM on February 21, 2006 at 10:29:51 PT
runruffswife
That is such a very good prayer. Life isn't fair and it can be very cruel. I worked for a lady who was blind from diabetes. She risked pregnancy against her doctor's advice because she wanted a child. She lost her eye sight when her daughter was 9 months old. One day I started to cry and she told me not to cry for her. I said why. She said because we all have our crosses to bear. She said that if people could sit around a table and write down their problems and put them in a hat and that we could pick someone elses problems out of the hat that we would want ours back. She died from kidney failure when she was 33.
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Comment #75 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 10:28:34 PT
jail mail
I had a friend (met the fellow Texan in the Drugsense chatroom and we met and traveled to the Texas Journey for Justice together) in just the state jail system here in Texas. Federal is probably even worse.Stuff was returned often...and not quickly either...maybe six weeks after it was mailed it would come back either with postmarks of gillions of places all over it and little messages stamped all over or returned in a larger envelope with some sort of explanation that she had been moved from their facility and that I should try so-in-so facility in another town.Some of it was just never seen again by anyone that I'm aware of...and I ALWAYS put complete return addresses on each envelope. It's easy to imagine a staff member at a prison facility dumping a bunch of the prisoner's mail in a trash can and saying, "Ooops...the mail got lost." Maybe, I'm wrong.I got a few phone calls from my friend and a few letters. In the phone calls she told me that they kept moving her from one facility to another. Mail seldom caught up with her. It was disturbing and heartbreaking. For PLANTS, people! For GROWING PLANTS!!!She was a medical cannabis person who decided to grow her own...very carefully and never for sale.One of the many wrong, wrong, wrong and often, horrible things she said they did, is that she was made to stand in a circle with other women prisoners and a guard would be stationed behind them and scream at them for an extended period of time telling them what awful mothers and failures they were and making them agree. That sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. That sounds like torture. It sounds like they are trying to break down their minds....like a brain-washer! The goverment using brain-washing techniques against captive citizens?I'm not saying don't send Runruff mail...Heaven's no! I'm saying don't be surprised if some of it get's lost and returned. Anyway...I said something like that back there, a while ago, somewhere.This is a hard thing, Runruff's wife, but you can do it. Don't let them break you. Don't.
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Comment #74 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 10:15:14 PT:
forgiveness
http://howardwills.com/
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Comment #73 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 10:11:53 PT:
everyday
I read those prayers of forgiveness. Sometimes I feel a lot of pain and anger sitting on my heart and I just need to keep forgiving and projecting light into this situation. People shouldn't be going through this, for growing a plant? Something that the universal laws/dharma say is right. I keep it in perspective, that yes, it could be worse, it has been for many people. I know Jerry will come home someday, that is my blessing. But still, there needs to be a paradigm shift, the collective consciousness needs to raise to free what is already free.
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Comment #72 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 09:57:30 PT
Oh my...
Our friend, and your beloved, Runruff's wife, is going to cry when he see's his mail.This makes me want to tear something up.
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Comment #71 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 09:57:16 PT
HOPE
I don't remember what you said about the mail. Will you share with me again?
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Comment #70 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 09:56:24 PT
language
I know Hope. Such language they use. Cold.
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Comment #69 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 09:55:31 PT:
runruff - when he calls
Thank you.
It's okay Hope, yea, 62.
Actually the gentleman I spoke with was nice. I told him that I thought I would have heard from him by now. He said sometimes it just takes longer to get settled but that he should be calling me soon. You all will be the first to know about it when I get that call.
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Comment #68 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 09:55:04 PT
They said he is processed and everything is fine.
We need one of those "distance viewers" or whatever they are called. People the government supposedly uses to see what's going on somewhere else...in their mind and they're right. I told you about the mail hell. Aaarggh."Acclimated". Brrrr.
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Comment #67 posted by FoM on February 21, 2006 at 09:50:38 PT
Runruffswife
Thank you. Hopefully you will get a letter from him soon too.
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Comment #66 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 09:49:36 PT
62
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Comment #65 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 09:49:02 PT:
runruff mail
One of the first things the gentleman asked me was are you writing him letters. I said, oh yes, one goes in the mail almost daily. He said they need to give the new person time before reconnecting to the outside, but that connection is really important and the letters are important. Hmm, it's like they want to hold him from society but keep him connected too. I visualize a dog chasing its own tail biting at it.
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Comment #64 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 09:48:55 PT
ooops
hadn't read comment 63 yet.
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Comment #63 posted by Hope on February 21, 2006 at 09:46:49 PT
Runruff
This is like a "disappearing".Runruffswife, try to find us phone numbers. The warden's office something...that we can complain to or question. Or would that be a bad idea? Herbdoc said phone calls to authorities on his behalf helped. They seemed to help with Steve. Find us some phone numbers and fax numbers and e-mail addresses...all you people out there who know how to really find stuff...Jose!
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Comment #62 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 09:44:41 PT:
RUNRUFF
FOM in order to answer your question truthfully I just tried calling again and actually spoke with a human this time. They said he is processed and everything is fine, it takes time for the inmate to be acclimated to their new routine. He will be calling me soon either collect, or using money from the commissary. Since they sent back the gray clothes we bought for him to wear in there, he probably had to buy their things. So, I'll be sending more money to the commissary today.
They said he calls me, I don't call him. So, I am just waiting. Well, it was at least good to make contact with someone who has seen him and knows he is okay.
Thank you for your concern.
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Comment #61 posted by FoM on February 21, 2006 at 07:34:28 PT
runruffswife
What do they say when you ask them when you can talk to him?
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Comment #60 posted by runruffswife on February 21, 2006 at 07:26:35 PT:
runruff
FOM, Museman, Thank you for your compassion. How cold is that, send me a box of his clothes with no word as to his well-being. Our Federal Government is detached from one of our core virtues, compassion. This is to understate much.
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Comment #59 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 19:57:15 PT
Hope
Ron Paul has a glow about him. I don't see that in most politicians. He's special ( even though he is a Republican ba hum bug LOL!)
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Comment #58 posted by Hope on February 20, 2006 at 19:52:36 PT
Ron Paul
I'm convinced, is the only one up there in D.C. with any sense at all.The rest of them seem to ignore him, though. I pray that he can become more powerful and influential and they'll stop calling him "Dr. No" and start calling him "Dr. Know".
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Comment #57 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 18:30:36 PT
mayan
That's not unrelated at all. I hope it isn't too late.
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Comment #56 posted by mayan on February 20, 2006 at 18:21:04 PT
Unrelated
Sorry, but Ron Paul is trying to prevent WWIII...Silence the War Drums - by Ron Paul:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul304.html
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Comment #55 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 18:14:45 PT
Max #46
I'm only in town for a couple days. We haven't decided on where we're moving yet.
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Comment #54 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 17:28:06 PT
nuevo mexican
Ah, Gee, Shucks, Golly!Thanks! LOL!
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Comment #53 posted by nuevo mexican on February 20, 2006 at 17:21:30 PT
Joni and Neil are Scorps FOM! And.....
the moon is in Scorpio today, as it was yesterday!You guys are so 'tuned in'!Bonnie Riatt is too I think!
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Comment #52 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 17:14:25 PT
My Thoughts
I am always watchful when anything seems to vague. I always have ask why. It isn't my state but if it was I wouldn't rest until I knew all the details from A to Z because one thing I don't want is anything like we have already. What I mean is I wouldn't want to hand over this important job to someone that we wouldn't even know. As I said it isn't my state luckily.
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Comment #51 posted by Toker00 on February 20, 2006 at 17:05:44 PT
Yeah.
That's what I'm wondering, FoM. I suppose the details would be decided by a committee. They have already developed a system of stores to tax and sell. Once the measure passes, then someone would have to come up with a way to "manufacture" the bud, or grow it. Indoor, or outdoor? Just set up a system of Grow your Own? Rent a lot, (or a room) plant your seeds, and you get what you grow, weighed out, priced, and packaged when you are ready for harvest. I really don't like the thought of letting the government package and process it though. They should just let us have street markets where we set up and sell different strains of our own bud. Like the coffee houses in Holland or elsewhere. Or Cannabis Shops, with humidors like a fine TOBACCO shop. Design liquor stores with a Cannabis Room. I don't know. I just with they would stop jerking us around, and let us have what God gave us.Wage peace on war. END CANNABIS PROHIBITION NOW!People will still be growing their own, legal or not.
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Comment #50 posted by rchandar on February 20, 2006 at 17:05:34 PT:
FoM
I've no idea how they're going to "set up manufacture" for small amounts of marijuana. Interesting social policy 1st step; a plant limit for cultivation should be implemented.--rchandar
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Comment #49 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 16:25:05 PT
I Don't Understand
* set up a system of manufacture and sales for small amounts of marijuana;I don't know who would be responsible for setting up such a thing. Who is the powerful person who would be given the right to set it up? I really don't know.
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Comment #48 posted by runderwo on February 20, 2006 at 16:20:50 PT
growing
Does this initiative provide for legal "manufacturing" (i.e., having a potted plant or two in my house)?
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Comment #47 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 14:30:37 PT
on topic
"It's a plant, we have a natural right to grow it for ourselves and use it."That is the core issue if you ask me. Quite simple. No need for all this political rhetoric which is only intended to make the politicians look good.Get real or get out. My simple addition to that.
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Comment #46 posted by Max Flowers on February 20, 2006 at 14:23:43 PT
whoops
This was the Nevada article. Oh well, my feeling is the same about it, I would just caution Nevadans to look into the restrictions they may be accepting.Hey whig, good news about Berkeley! Be ready for high rents, but equally high regard for liberty and liberal thinking. Lots of great ethnic restaurants too! Give me a yell on this forum when you get there and we'll trade contacts if you like.
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Comment #45 posted by Max Flowers on February 20, 2006 at 14:12:19 PT
About the petition, and other comments
I have a big problem with this proposed CA law if it's going to mean that part of the deal of "allowing" people to have it is to be able to restrict them to only an ounce at a time and making them get it from goverment-approved" sellers (read: big business, like big tobacco). Especially if it makes home cultivation illegal, thereby forcing support of the "big pot cartel" in the same way that they prohibit you from distilling your own vodka at home.It's a plant, we have a natural right to grow it for ourselves and use it. Some people will buy it from the regulated gov't source, but many will want fresh, private, non-government weed untainted by goverment hands. If this proposition gives up our natural liberty with the plant merely in order to possess small amounts legally, the tradeoff will not be worth it. Another thing is that if this proposed "regulation" interfered with medical cannabis patients in any way, there would be a tremendous backlash.Potpal, congrats, that sounds great. Good to hear there are some sensible people out there hiring on talent and ignoring past things that don't matter.runruffswife, hang in there... this is probably the hardest period of this process. It will get easier to work with.
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Comment #44 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 14:10:05 PT
Runruffswife
When you call what do they tell you? Do they tell you when you will be able to talk with him? This is wrong. I really want to know how they can literally make a person disappear and that's what it seems like to me.museman yes we sent him a letter just recently.
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Comment #43 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 14:03:10 PT
runruffswife
I am so sorry. That is down right cruel. I bet they do it that way on purpose; Make the families suffer too. The wives, the children , friends and relatives. After all if one of 'em smokes or grows pot then all of 'em are "guilty by association."Has anyone sent letters yet? Mine is waiting for snail mail to start again tomorrow.
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Comment #42 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 13:33:46 PT
runruffswife
Have you heard from him yet?
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Comment #41 posted by runruffswife on February 20, 2006 at 13:08:38 PT:
runruff
American has been a safer for place for exactly two weeks now. The UPS man just delivered a box with runruff's clothes and everything he left with 2 weeks ago. This really feels yucky. I want my husband back! He watered a plant folks.
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Comment #40 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 12:15:46 PT
whig#31
Started to discuss it here.
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Comment #39 posted by John Tyler on February 20, 2006 at 12:13:45 PT
Best wishes in you new job potpal
Good to hear you found an employer that is more interested in the content of your talent, that your bladder.
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Comment #38 posted by Hope on February 20, 2006 at 11:33:32 PT
Potpal...that's wonderful news!
It tells me that times might be going to get better. I'm so glad for you.
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Comment #37 posted by MikeC on February 20, 2006 at 11:26:00 PT
Congrats potpal!
I like stories like that. Whoever decided to to hire you after hearing your story is a wise and decent person.
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Comment #36 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 11:24:59 PT
#35
I think it's okay to talk ABOUT activities that may be illegal, as long as we're not FACILITATING them.
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Comment #35 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 11:23:07 PT
museman
Seems odd doesn't it? LOL! Seriously what I mean is it is legal to talk about trying to change laws that we feel are bad. Someday that might be illegal but as of now free speech, as long as it isn't promoting an illegal activity, is ok.
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Comment #34 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 11:19:36 PT
potpal
That is absolutely wonderful news! Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Comment #33 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 11:18:25 PT
FoM
"I don't go to any site that allows illegal activity to be discussed"Hmm. I know what you mean, however I did get a chuckle out of it- the moderator of CNews not discussing 'illegal activity.'FoM, I am not an advocate of any of the things that would make you or me a martyr. I know the difference between 'opinion' and 'treason' even if our political leaders don't. So no worries.
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Comment #32 posted by potpal on February 20, 2006 at 11:14:27 PT
Good news to share
You all may remember my tale of woe, how I was denied a security clearance primarily down to cannabis use which in turn cost me my job. Well, I recently interviewed for a programmer analyst position and had to tell this potential employer why I was released from my last (professional) position and I told him about the denial and he asked if I'd like to elaborate, not having thought up a good reason (afterwards I thought I could have said, extensive intl travel and a number of foriegn national friends did me in, the reason for the denial was only privy between the NSA and me, not even the employer who had initiated the investigation was privy to the reasoning for the denial) ...anyway, I offered 'a pot bust in the early 90s' (like an idiot, I might add) but to my surprise, I got the job regardless! And no drug test to boot. I am once again gainfully employed! Howzboutdat?! What's that tell ya?Aloha.
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Comment #31 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 11:09:09 PT
Peace Church stuff
I'll talk about this more over there later, but I still do really want to talk about ways we can actually get together in the flesh, and even publicly discuss doing so and everything. As long as we're all hiding from one another in our private electronic capacities, we are disempowered in some important ways. And it's not as if we really have privacy anyhow, our packets are all logged and if we were doing anything wrong we'd be traced down easily enough. The point is, we're NOT doing anything wrong, so we should figure out a way to get together eventually.
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Comment #30 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 11:08:09 PT
Illegal Stuff
I don't go to any site that allows illegal activity to be discussed. The reason why is like Dankhank said, I'm an activist not a martyr.
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Comment #29 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 11:05:26 PT
museman
There are reasons it would be nice to have privacy sometimes without it having anything to do with illegal activities. If we want to get together in a public place somewhere I don't even think that requires privacy, but if we wanted to meet at someone's home, or if people wanted to talk to one another on the phone, people's addresses and phone numbers and stuff like that shouldn't be put in a public forum.
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Comment #28 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 10:59:47 PT
'musemans forum'
At this time, I don't see why we should worry about 'privacy' Nothing we are discussing is illegal. If we go making plans of activities, then we might consider a private post. As Graehstone put it, the public being able to see it could actually be a good thing. Right now the only people who are really aware of it are on CNews.So far we are pretty much in the realm of 'philosophy,' and 'spritual concerns' so we aren't openly advocating anything other than opinions and beliefs, so I can see no problem.As far as who wants to come over... I am not near as on top of it as FoM is, so as a moderator I'm a 'newbie.' So far I've managed to come up with a working solution (if not the easiest UI) with the bugs we have discovered, which is nice 'cause I have more stuff to do than I could ever accomplish in my lifetime (it seems sometimes).The registration is working today-so far.
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Comment #27 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 10:54:14 PT
museman
I found the lyrics but I don't remember the song.http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Lyrics/Mitchell/Ladies/ForFree.html
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Comment #26 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:53:32 PT
I guessed wrong
Wow, though.http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/joni-mitchell/75395.html
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Comment #25 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 10:48:50 PT
The song
"He Played Real Good For Free."
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Comment #24 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 10:48:16 PT
Graehstone
I think you should ask museman.
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Comment #23 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:42:19 PT
Graehstone
As it is now, anyone can read what is written there, so any sense that it is truly "private" conversation is only an illusion at best. Kind of like here at CNews, we know there's probably a thousand people reading for everyone that actually posts, though I think there are a lot fewer people that would care to read the stuff at Museman's place and not participate.I think it might be better not to publicize it widely though. Still seem to be bugs to work out in the system, for one thing. But it's Museman's call, really, since it's his place.
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Comment #22 posted by Graehstone on February 20, 2006 at 10:35:32 PT
Musemans Forum
I checked it out but have yet to join and was wondering if I may pass the link on to some friends that I think would very much enjoy that type of discourse.
Or if you wish to just keep it among close friends I will understand.
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Comment #21 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:34:45 PT
What Joni said about this song...
Mitchell: "In 1965 I was up in Canada, and there was a friend of mine up there who had just left a Rock'n'Roll band in Winnipeg/Manitoba near where I come from on the prairies to become a folk singer a la Bob Dylan, who was his hero at that time, and at the same time there were breaks in his life and he was going into new and exciting directions. He had just newly turned 21, and that meant in Winnipeg he was no longer allowed into his favorite hangout which is kind of a teeny-bopper club and once you're over 21 you couldn't get in there anymore, so he was really feeling terrible because his girlfriends and everybody that he wanted to hang out with, his band could still go there, you know, but it's one of the things that drove him to become a folk singer was that he couldn't play in this club anymore. But he was over the hill. So he wrote this song that was called "Oh to live on sugar mountain" which was a lament for his lost youth. And it went like this... [sings a few verses]. And I thought, God, you know, if we get to 21 and there's nothing after that, that's a pretty bleak future, so I wrote a song for him, and for myself just to give me some hope. It's called The Circle Game."
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Comment #20 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 10:33:30 PT
museman
I don't know. What song?
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Comment #19 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:33:17 PT
Song for Neil (and Famdad?)
Yesterday a child came out to wonderCaught a dragonfly inside a jarFearful when the sky was full of thunderAnd tearful at the falling of a starThen the child moved ten times round the seasonsSkated over ten clear frozen streamsWords like, when you’re older, must appease himAnd promises of someday make his dreamsAnd the seasons they go round and roundAnd the painted ponies go up and dawnWe’re captive on the carousel of timeWe can’t return we con only look behindFrom where we cameAnd go round and round and roundIn the circle game.
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Comment #18 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 10:23:20 PT
Joni-Neil
*********just for fun*******You know Joni write a song for me once. I'm pretty sure she never met me, but then again that song always sends shivers up my spine, as if she was really there watching and listening. Neil sang it a couple of times too. For the prize, what song was it?(clue, it's not 'about me' but people like me)
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Comment #17 posted by museman on February 20, 2006 at 10:18:36 PT
toker
If they did that then folks like me would no longer have a damn thing on their record, and though it's too late for me, opportunity to function as a normal citizen in this society without the totally stupid 'paperwork stigma' that is generated by such stuff, would change not only the way we work as a society, but also how we see each other. I would have to be retrained for peace. Debriefed.
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Comment #16 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:15:08 PT
FoM
Well, she did leave California because she didn't like it, at one point. Going back there will be hard for her in some ways. She would absolutely veto Los Angeles, after she went to USC during the Rodney King riots.
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Comment #15 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 10:08:21 PT
Whig
I think if you get to move to Berkeley that it would be a great experience. You're wife is a California Girl. Cool.
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Comment #14 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 10:06:35 PT
Berkeley in Two Weeks!
My wife is actually from Humboldt, btw.
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Comment #13 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 09:53:27 PT
sunset pig
http://www.jonimitchell.com/glossary/entry.cfm?id=40
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Comment #12 posted by Toker00 on February 20, 2006 at 09:23:24 PT
Failure? Try Disaster!
When Cannabis Prohibition is over, we will re-name the O.N.D.C.P. to: Office of the National Disaster of Cannabis Prohibition. We will force them to oversee the clean-up of this disaster. Property stolen in raids will be returned or money refunded, along with ALL legal fees incurred through false imprisonment for Cannabis Possession. No one will be released if they have been charged with violent crimes as well, but plea bargains must be retried and punishment removed for cannabis possession. If cannabis possession is your only charge, it will immediately be expunged from your record, and you'll never have to wear Prison Blues for clothing, again.I know I am repeating myself on this, but the RE-NAMING fits!w.p.o.w. E.C.P.N.!
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Comment #11 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 09:15:17 PT
Potpal
I hope you will check this out.
Museman's Forum
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Comment #10 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 09:08:15 PT
potpal
Thanks I didn't know that.
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Comment #9 posted by potpal on February 20, 2006 at 09:00:05 PT
Young and Mitchell
Joni is the girl who 'can be 20 on Sugar Mountain' that Neil sings about, I believe. They may have been lovers at one time real early on.
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Comment #8 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 08:52:26 PT
Whig
Canadian Music Hall of Famehttp://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/canadian_music_hall_of_fame
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Comment #7 posted by Hope on February 20, 2006 at 08:28:20 PT
Lol! Comment 2
"Kiss a Sunset Pig".It took a second for that one to sink in, Whig.
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Comment #6 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 08:21:57 PT
whig
You are so right.
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Comment #5 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 08:20:43 PT
FoM
When you say, we've got to get ourselves back to the garden, it's Joni's inspired words.... She wrote Woodstock, even though the most famous version is the CSN.
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Comment #4 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 08:12:56 PT
Whig
I really like Joni Mitchell. She sings with Neil on The Last Waltz. They sing Helpless. She and Neil are going to be inducted into the Canadian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I think it opens this year but it might not be until next year. Canada has given us the best musicians and actors.
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Comment #3 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 08:05:41 PT
Joni Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/h3p7c
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Comment #2 posted by whig on February 20, 2006 at 08:04:15 PT
California
Sitting in a park in Paris, FranceReading the news and it sure looks badThey won't give peace a chanceThat was just a dream some of us hadStill a lot of lands to seeBut I wouldn't want to stay hereIt's too old and cold and settled in its ways hereOh, but CaliforniaCalifornia I'm coming homeI'm going to see the folks I digI'll even kiss a Sunset pigCalifornia I'm coming home
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Comment #1 posted by FoM on February 20, 2006 at 07:58:51 PT
News Brief from The Associated Press
'NJ Weedman' Hopes Grass Is Greener In Californiahttp://kyw.com/local/local_story_051104209.html
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