@wolfcastle AC is not a sim simply because EVERY* racing series in the world is affected by weather. Sim racers who refuse to race in rain, are not sim racers. "Sims" that have no rain are driving games, not sims. That's not opinion, that's by definition of "simulation". One huge reason I stopped racing online is that most leagues use low damage and no weather which by definition of simulation, disclude those races from being sim racing. Even with full damage every game is much too forgiving and even if rain physics isn't perfect, it is a part of racing and separates a sim from a driving game. AC is a pretty good driving game, but it is far from being a sim- it is the most arcade of all the current major sims out there.

* Don't get me started with nascar- it is not a racing series- it is a motorsports entertainment series much like WWE is to wrestling

Ohhh shhnizzaap!
My buddy runs a league (plus casual races) and in the last 6-7 months I've only once seen him host a race without rain. By accident.
His competition races all have inclement weather.
Sometimes he'll sneak in a cheeky storm slot where the wet tyres are nearly as bad as slicks...

Ohhh shhnizzaap!
My buddy runs a league (plus casual races) and in the last 6-7 months I've only once seen him host a race without rain. By accident.
His competition races all have inclement weather.
Sometimes he'll sneak in a cheeky storm slot where the wet tyres are nearly as bad as slicks...

@wolfcastle AC is not a sim simply because EVERY* racing series in the world is affected by weather. Sim racers who refuse to race in rain, are not sim racers. "Sims" that have no rain are driving games, not sims. That's not opinion, that's by definition of "simulation". One huge reason I stopped racing online is that most leagues use low damage and no weather which by definition of simulation, disclude those races from being sim racing. Even with full damage every game is much too forgiving and even if rain physics isn't perfect, it is a part of racing and separates a sim from a driving game. AC is a pretty good driving game, but it is far from being a sim- it is the most arcade of all the current major sims out there.

* Don't get me started with nascar- it is not a racing series- it is a motorsports entertainment series much like WWE is to wrestling

When you are driving in an open seater in the rain, do you get your wife/partner to throw a bucket of water over you?

I also experienced a few times having the daylight fading to night keeping pace with RL through the window in endurance races and ... well, if you're in the zone you don't get wet but you do get the chilly feel... ofc unless the pet comes into play and tumbles the scotch over you then there's some wetness involved too

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@wolfcastle AC is not a sim simply because EVERY* racing series in the world is affected by weather. Sim racers who refuse to race in rain, are not sim racers. "Sims" that have no rain are driving games, not sims. That's not opinion, that's by definition of "simulation". One huge reason I stopped racing online is that most leagues use low damage and no weather which by definition of simulation, disclude those races from being sim racing. Even with full damage every game is much too forgiving and even if rain physics isn't perfect, it is a part of racing and separates a sim from a driving game. AC is a pretty good driving game, but it is far from being a sim- it is the most arcade of all the current major sims out there.

That must be why AC has a higher community rating than PCars on Steam and other places, and why Project Cars has far less community activity on Race Department's forums and also no league thread in the premium section. Or why it ranks lower than rFactor2 and Dirt Rally in this poll of an 8000+ member group.

IMO, PCars is great and probably the best thing on console (I haven't played AC on console, but from what I've seen it's lacking compared to the PC version), but on PC PCars actually feels the most sim-cade to me, excluding titles like Forza and Gran Turismo that consciously lean more toward arcade than sim. AC may not have weather, but they have given their reasons for not adding it, and I believe it has to do with maintain the physics standard that they set. But even so, if weather is your thing, that's still done better in other sim titles.

I'm glad Project CARS isn't Assetto Corsa because I don't want to be tarred with being a snobbish, elitist 'simracer' thankyouverymuch

Assetto Corsa does its thing and Project CARS does its thing, why can't people just accept that they are 2 separate games, both designed to allow people to have fun with cars. We can all pick holes in a particular game of course, because no game out there will be ideal for every single person. Find the game that matches what you want most closely and play that.

EDIT : Sorry!*

* not really

As far as i'm concerned every game is different every game has its good points and bad points. The snobbish elitist attitude that occasionally raises its ugly head from the PC gaming community is just so annoying.
Youtube is constantly full of this versus that, just buy the games and play them simple as that lol
I dunno how people can compare forza driveclub need for speed assetto corsa pcars dirt rally wrc etc etc cos theyre all different the only similarity they have is theyre all racing games lol