Generalhttps://community.logos.com/forums/77.aspxenCommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Debug Build: 40407.4157)Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366706.aspx77General2012-05-11T13:48:25Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366706Bethany Wilson0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366706.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366706https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366706.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366706<p>I was interested to read the <a href="http://blog.logos.com/2012/05/buried-treasures-in-the-sands-of-egypt/">blog post</a> about the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, but I&#39;m wondering whether it&#39;s worth purchasing the <a href="http://www.logos.com/product/16528/oxyrhynchus-papyri">original documents</a> on CP for $150 when I already have Moulton and Milligan&#39;s &#39;<a href="http://www.logos.com/product/5773/the-vocabulary-of-the-greek-testament">Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament</a>&#39;. I&#39;m assuming they are the same papyri?</p>
<p>I know having the source can be useful, but it&#39;s a lot of money...</p>
<p>Can anyone advise?</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366733.aspx77General2012-05-11T14:27:27Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366733Dean J0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366733.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366733https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366733.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366733<p>I would like to see this, but I think the set has stalled because the price is too high. I&#39;m in at $90 though even that might be too high to attract enough bidders. I&#39;d suggest bidding what you feel would be the appropriate price.&nbsp;</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366739.aspx77General2012-05-11T14:41:14Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366739Eric Weiss0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366739.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366739https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366739.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366739<p>I&#39;ve been in at $150 since it was first announced, and hoping it will drop to $70 like the <a href="http://www.logos.com/product/16530/patrologia-cursus-completus-series-graeca-part-1"><i>Patrologia</i> Cursus Completus, Series Graeca, Part 1 (vols. 1&ndash;18)</a> went from $399 to $90. I can happily sit and wait a long time for this; no hurry. Hopefully it will languish long enough for Logos and CP bidders to get it way down in price.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366745.aspx77General2012-05-11T14:58:47Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366745Bethany Wilson0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366745.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366745https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366745.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366745<p>Sorry, I&#39;ll clarify - is it worth having the original source text, or is a work such as &#39;The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament&#39; (which references the same text, I assume) sufficient for most people?</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366746.aspx77General2012-05-11T14:59:22Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366746Denise0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366746.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366746https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366746.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366746<p>Not to get too far off of Chakde&#39;s question (but referring to the blog), I always wonder about the often stated &#39;Holy Ghost greek&#39;. I&#39;m not questioning the blog; it was well written and very interesting.</p>
<p>But having read quite a bit in the late 1800s and early 1900s, from what I can see, greek scholars already had quite a bit of papyri to work off of, though not on the order of Oxyrhynchus. Much of the translations from the greek were simply confirmed (the bigger issue being the newly emerging manuscripts).</p>
<p>But in answer to Chakde&#39;s question, it&#39;d be nice to have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">more examples</span> than MM lists; sometimes MM just whets your appetite. And it&#39;s approaching it&#39;s centenarian (sp?) birthday too.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366748.aspx77General2012-05-11T15:04:05Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366748Bethany Wilson0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366748.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366748https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366748.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366748<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://community.logos.com/Themes/logoswhite/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>DMB:</strong></div><div>it&#39;d be nice to have <span style="text-decoration:underline;">more examples</span> than MM lists; sometimes MM just whets your appetite.</div><div style="clear:both;"></div></blockquote></p>
<p>Thanks DMB. Are there any other resources (by which I mean reference works rather than source texts) which would fill in any gaps left by MM? I&#39;d love to buy the original texts but I wouldn&#39;t know where to begin in actually using them to any great effect.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366757.aspx77General2012-05-11T15:29:26Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366757Denise0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366757.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366757https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366757.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366757<p>Well, if you previously downloaded the Duke Databank of Documentary Papyri (Logos free), four of them come from Oxy (sounds like &#39;Oxy-free!!); per an earlier thread, these don&#39;t overlap the subject resource, but you can get a feel for what you&#39;re wondering about.</p>
<p>Your question is largely a personal one; it depends on how &#39;suspicious&#39; you are (I&#39;m joking). I&#39;m the suspicious type, wanting more examples, especially for the late Pauline writings. But it&#39;s not easy sledding.</p>
<p>From what I&#39;ve seen, MM is still a solid resource; can&#39;t complain too much. In order of greek lexicons, I go there first, then Liddell Scott and TLNT, and if absolutely necessary, BDAG.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366759.aspx77General2012-05-11T15:40:38Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366759Bethany Wilson0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366759.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366759https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366759.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366759<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://community.logos.com/Themes/logoswhite/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>DMB:</strong></div><div> it depends on how &#39;suspicious&#39; you are</div><div style="clear:both;"></div></blockquote></p>
<p>I&#39;m extremely suspicious, but unfortunately I&#39;m also extremely prone to &#39;brain freeze&#39; when I do research. I&#39;m having enough trouble getting my head round Louw-Nida (I&#39;m new at this, can you tell?).</p>
<p>Thanks for the idea, I might have a peek at the Duke Databank stuff.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366881.aspx77General2012-05-11T21:22:36Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366881EmileB0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366881.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366881https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366881.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366881<p>Hi Chakde!
I&#39;m not entirely sure what you might specifically be needing, but Logos has &quot;The Text of the Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts&quot;, which contains all of the Oxyrhynchus material on the NT Greek text, and it&#39;s only $39.95. I am assuming that the new CP collection includes items beyond that (from classical literature). If that&#39;s an incorrect assumption, other forum members more knowledgable than I can chime in. SO I suppose it depends on what your needs/interests might be. I&#39;m passing on this one, as I have the resource I have indicated in this post, and I can&#39;t justify the high price for the CP... but that just reflects my own interests/needs.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366883.aspx77General2012-05-11T21:23:34Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366883EmileB0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366883.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366883https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366883.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366883<p>(Deleted duplicate post... I think!)</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366898.aspx77General2012-05-11T21:40:55Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366898Denise0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366898.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366898https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366898.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366898<p>Emile are you sure you wanted to write that (ref&#39;ing the NT early mss&#39;s)? &nbsp;And by the way, just HOW did you get past the &#39;no duplicate posts&#39; police? They catch me everytime, demand I buy another resource.</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366900.aspx77General2012-05-11T21:47:48Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366900EmileB0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366900.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366900https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366900.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366900<p>Yeah, strange... surely didn&#39;t mean to duplicate post. I stopped the transmission as I have a Suuuuppper sslllooooooooowwww internet connection here; then I reread it, and added &quot;NT&quot;, as what I meant to say was that the Greek NT texts from Oxy are included in this collection. Obviously, the collection does not include non-NT Greek texts, which I had erroneously posted. Then I sent it again... assuming that if the original posted, it wouldn&#39;t allow a repost. Guess I was wrong <img src="http://community.logos.com/emoticons/emotion-10.gif" alt="Embarrassed" /> My apologies!</p>
<p>
(edited to correct another goofy typo. Sorry, it&#39;s late here after a stressful day! Anyway, the link is&nbsp;<a target="_blank" href="http://www.logos.com/product/7855/the-text-of-the-earliest-new-testament-greek-manuscripts">http://www.logos.com/product/7855/the-text-of-the-earliest-new-testament-greek-manuscripts</a>&nbsp;)</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366901.aspx77General2012-05-11T21:50:40Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366901George Somsel0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366901.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366901https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366901.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366901<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://community.logos.com/Themes/logoswhite/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>DMB:</strong></div><div>And by the way, just HOW did you get past the &#39;no duplicate posts&#39; police? They catch me everytime, demand I buy another resource.</div><div style="clear:both;"></div></blockquote></p>
<p>Since they&#39;re remiss in their duty, I&#39;ll step in.&nbsp; Denice, buy another resource.&nbsp; <img src="http://community.logos.com/emoticons/emotion-5.gif" alt="Wink" /></p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366904.aspx77General2012-05-11T22:00:24Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366904EmileB0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366904.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366904https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366904.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366904<p>Actually George, since it was MY post that was the duplicate, I think what you MEANT to say is that she needs to buy ME another resource! <img src="http://community.logos.com/emoticons/emotion-5.gif" alt="Wink" /></p>
<p>I&#39;ll send you a list to choose from, DMB! (Don&#39;t worry... I&#39;ll leave off the multi-volume sets!)</p>Re: Oxyrhynchus Papyrihttps://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366992.aspx77General2012-05-12T08:05:10Z9a0036cf-ae03-4c9d-9481-8dd598b774b8:366992Bethany Wilson0https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366992.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366992https://community.logos.com/forums/thread/366992.aspxhttps://community.logos.com/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=77&PostID=366992<p><blockquote><div><img src="https://community.logos.com/Themes/logoswhite/images/icon-quote.gif"> <strong>EmileB:</strong></div><div>Actually George, since it was MY post that was the duplicate, I think what you MEANT to say is that she needs to buy ME another resource!</div><div style="clear:both;"></div></blockquote></p>
<p>Alternatively, you could both contribute to the Chakde India Greek Text Resource Fund (CIGTRF, sounds quite catchy). I could also raise funding by going round catching duplicate posters and promising not to shop them in, in exchange for volumes of the Pillar New Testament Commentary.</p>