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LevelOne's Genesis is an older sail design and will probably be replaced by the Eternity, of which an UL version is available.Pricewise the Jumping Jack Flash UL is another option, brilliant for very little wind, a real inland design.IMHO the Sin from Kitehouse is also very capable in low winds.

Just to throw in some more choices ... and to confuse you more. All the best of luck ... whatever it will be, it'll be the right decision.

you already have a great low wind kite soooo a muse fits you budget easily and will fly very low they are a great all around kite best deal out there IMO tuff choice but 1 of the kind i like to have good luck ko

I live inland WA, so I am forced to deal with light winds much more than normal winds.

light wind is normal, its that 6+ wind that is abnormal.

after reading all the post I would love to show up somewhere to see and fly the highly recommended Talon and Vendetta. It is tough to make a $250 decision without ever test flying so once you narrow it down the "pick the one that you think looks best" is pretty good advice.

i do have a Genesis set;Std, UL and SUL. I clicked with the UL right off. several tricks just came to me off the Genesis easier than other kites. nice straight lines also. Bridle setup allows easy changes to set to your preference. (Disclaimer; haven't met many Level One kites I didn't like. I enjoy dual line kites but pretty much suck at trick and precision flying.)

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ericforum member since 04/21/2001and still can't fly like those darn videos

The boss (wife), put me on hold for a month or two. Just picked up a used E2 for my son, and "another" kite isnt quite understood at the moment lol. But I think from my reading I am sold on the talon. It is more than I want to spend, but If I see any of these come up as used. I will jump on them.. I do appreciate peoples inputs. Maybe at a meet or two in the next month or so I will get a chance to fly one or two of them.

Thanks to anOldMan (not so old, btw) I had access to the Talon and the Exile. I've flown both for only a short while, but from what you say and coming from the Shadow I strongly believe you would be happier with the Exile. From a little distance the Talon belongs to the "English" flying style, like the Deepspace and the Gemini. Better on shorter lines, fast tricking, subtle inputs from the fingers and the wrists. The Exile from the same little distance has a certain laid back "American" style, tricks slower with bigger movements from the arms. I was especially impressed by the pressure the kite built up in the little wind we had, resulting in a very good tracking. My experience is mostly based on larger kites like the Transfer family (long arms and footwork) and the QuantumPro, I felt quite happy with the Exile immediately, the Talon was simply too fast and too subtle for me. (I'm an old man too). If you are beginning to trick, you really need something slower to be able to follow. As for the Genesis, it's somehow in between with tricking speed and inputs. It was designed by an Ex-Stack-flyer, so there is a certain "Ballet-Style" built in. It has the necessary precision and is very easily trickable if you know how to do it... If it has to be LevelOne I'd prefer a JumpingJackFlash. I find it much easier to learn with kites that need bigger inputs, for the simple reason that the margin to hit the right spot for a given trick gets larger. You can ruin a Jacob's Ladder on a smaller and faster kite with a finger movement which a bigger and slower kite wouldn't even notice. For me it would be difficult to decide between the Exile and the Mantis, from what I remember the Mantis seemed a little trickier, but that is quite some time ago. At least these two are not so very different and have the same price, so you might let the looks decide.

I've only got about 300 hours on the Exile and an equal amount of time on the Talon but my experience is just the opposite of yours. I find the Talon much easier to trick and a lot less sensitive to changes in wind speed. The Exile is a great kite in steady winds under 10 mph. Over 10 and the kite gets really fast and hard to trick. And in gusty winds.... forget it.

Denny

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I always wanted to be a procrastinator..........I just never got around to it.

I've only got about 300 hours on the Exile and an equal amount of time on the Talon but my experience is just the opposite of yours. I find the Talon much easier to trick and a lot less sensitive to changes in wind speed. The Exile is a great kite in steady winds under 10 mph. Over 10 and the kite gets really fast and hard to trick. And in gusty winds.... forget it.

Denny

I think Datenland was talking about the Talon and Exile "ULs". I would not let anyone use my Talon UL or Exile UL in 10 and over winds. That is why I have standard kites

IMO, Datenland observations are accurate and does not deter from the qualities of either kite.

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