Two things. First, Dalton has been a very good QB. Is he close to maxing out his potential? Possibly. But at worst he is an above average QB who will consistently get his team to the playoffs. A large portion of the league would kill for a QB like that.

Second, I really think NFL defenses are going to catch up with this zone-read stuff. It was wildly successful this year. I think next year you will see a significant drop in its effectiveness. And by the 2014 season, it will be like the Wildcat. Still part of the game but sporadically used. Can these guys beat teams with their arms when the zone-read is figured out? We haven't seen it so I'm taking a wait and see approach.

Lastly, injuries. I'm less concerned about Kaep because he's big and Wilson because he seems more willing to avoid taking shots. But next season, defensive ends are just going to start taking the free shots to the QB whether he has the ball or not. We've already seen Griffin go down to a significant injury. If the others continue to play like they do, it's only a matter of time before it happens to them.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

In all seriousness though the outlook isn't good. While some teams aid their young QBs with college inspired systems and competent units around them, the Titans apparently had Locker running a pre-snap read offense under Palmer with no other unit except maybe the tight ends and linebackers playing at an acceptable level, and are seemingly running with minimal changes to the coaching staff for next season. I've always felt a good QB draft choice is most helped by good timing, and Locker happens to be picked by the Titans at a really bad time.

That said, Palmer did good work helping Eli master making presnap reads, so in time it could pay off.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

I'm a little surprised most people have Kaepernick below all 3 rookie QBs from this year. In my opinion if RG3 is able to adjust his game more he can be like Kaepernick.

This guy is every bit the running threat that RG3 is. He affects how defenses defend the run game possibly more than RG3 did and he seems less prone to injury based on his plus size.

However in the passing game he is way more advanced than Griffin. He may have the best arm in the NFL and seldom makes bad decisions.

He does have better weapons than RG3 does but it's not like SF utilise a wide open passing attack.

The reason I like Luck above all others is because I think he can have success with any rushing attack whereas the other top guys' success is predicated on a strong rushing attack. However of the other guys I think Kaepernick dcould have the most success in another offense.

I don't think Jake Locker is that type of qb though. Eli is a cerebral qb. Locker can barely read a defense. That's not an ideal system for him.

But to be fair, if you can't read defenses, then no system is ideal for you. Bc you'll suck regardless of what the coach draws up.

Exactly. Baby'ing it will do no good. He's got a lot to learn to become the QB his tools say he can be, so I don't see why having someone teach him how to control the game extensively is a bad thing. If he's making progress and learning it, the worst case scenario is that at some point that stops happening and you need to replace your OC with someone who'll give him less to chew on. Only backfires if he's totally overwhelmed by it, just stagnates as a terrible player, and you need to pick another QB.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

I'm a little surprised most people have Kaepernick below all 3 rookie QBs from this year. In my opinion if RG3 is able to adjust his game more he can be like Kaepernick.

This guy is every bit the running threat that RG3 is. He affects how defenses defend the run game possibly more than RG3 did and he seems less prone to injury based on his plus size.

However in the passing game he is way more advanced than Griffin. He may have the best arm in the NFL and seldom makes bad decisions.

He does have better weapons than RG3 does but it's not like SF utilise a wide open passing attack.

The reason I like Luck above all others is because I think he can have success with any rushing attack whereas the other top guys' success is predicated on a strong rushing attack. However of the other guys I think Kaepernick dcould have the most success in another offense.

Its more that Kaepernick always goes for the sideline or the slide whereas RG3 always wants to pick up more and takes a lot of hits that way.

I don't think Jake Locker is that type of qb though. Eli is a cerebral qb. Locker can barely read a defense. That's not an ideal system for him.

But to be fair, if you can't read defenses, then no system is ideal for you. Bc you'll suck regardless of what the coach draws up.

You probably have to shore up that brutal offensive line/running game before giving up on Jake Locker.

I've been the guys biggest supporter but he needs some help there from guys like Britt and Johnson. If it doesn't get better I'll be the first to suggest he try for an outfield spot with the Anaheim Angels.

Not sure how this matters. I said that Fisher is trying to get Bradford a #1 WR. That is obviously true unless you think he drafted Quick at #33 overall to convert him into a safety or something. Quick was in a lot of people's first round mocks, so clearly they believe that he will be a #1.

I don't know why we're talking about what Quick is RIGHT NOW when we were just talking about Bradford NEVER, at any point, being elite because of not having a WR.

Incidentally, I think Bradford is just a dogcrap QB and a fraud. Been saying it since he came out. I don't think it'd matter if he had Larry Fitzgerald.

Not sure how this matters. I said that Fisher is trying to get Bradford a #1 WR. That is obviously true unless you think he drafted Quick at #33 overall to convert him into a safety or something. Quick was in a lot of people's first round mocks, so clearly they believe that he will be a #1.

I don't know why we're talking about what Quick is RIGHT NOW when we were just talking about Bradford NEVER, at any point, being elite because of not having a WR.

Incidentally, I think Bradford is just a dogcrap QB and a fraud. Been saying it since he came out. I don't think it'd matter if he had Larry Fitzgerald.

You're probably the type of fan that looks at stats only. If you watched him on a regular basis, you would think otherwise. Sam is deadly accurate, strong arm and very smart. Elite tools. This being his 3rd offense in 3 years has stunted him a little, plus having the worst set of WR's and one of the worst OL's in the game too. Joe Montana wouldn't succeed under these conditions. So keep reading the box scores son.

Not sure how this matters. I said that Fisher is trying to get Bradford a #1 WR. That is obviously true unless you think he drafted Quick at #33 overall to convert him into a safety or something. Quick was in a lot of people's first round mocks, so clearly they believe that he will be a #1.

I don't know why we're talking about what Quick is RIGHT NOW when we were just talking about Bradford NEVER, at any point, being elite because of not having a WR.

Incidentally, I think Bradford is just a dogcrap QB and a fraud. Been saying it since he came out. I don't think it'd matter if he had Larry Fitzgerald.

I didn't see Quick in anybody's first round mock. Some people thought round 2 was a reach.

You're probably the type of fan that looks at stats only. If you watched him on a regular basis, you would think otherwise. Sam is deadly accurate, strong arm and very smart. Elite tools. This being his 3rd offense in 3 years has stunted him a little, plus having the worst set of WR's and one of the worst OL's in the game too. Joe Montana wouldn't succeed under these conditions. So keep reading the box scores son.

You have to stop saying that.

We've been over this before. Joe Montana would be fine. So would Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and any other top QB.

Maybe Bradford is a little underrated, but exaggeration is only going to push people further away. Next time maybe say something like "Tony Romo wouldn't succeed under these conditions"

You're probably the type of fan that looks at stats only. If you watched him on a regular basis, you would think otherwise. Sam is deadly accurate, strong arm and very smart. Elite tools. This being his 3rd offense in 3 years has stunted him a little, plus having the worst set of WR's and one of the worst OL's in the game too. Joe Montana wouldn't succeed under these conditions. So keep reading the box scores son.

You're probably a llama.

I have just as much evidence for that as you have for what you said about me.

Think about it. I hated him as a pro prospect way back in college. If I only cared about stats, it would have been "OMFG LOOK AT THOSE OKLAHAOMA STATSZZZ!"

i'm sorry that your favorite QB isn't terribly good, but lashing out isn't going to make him learn how to play football.