On the very same day, (what a coincidence!), while at a Seattle fund raiser, Obama’s VP pick, Joe Biden, expanded on Powell’s prediction, by saying that the ‘crisis’ will be one of “international” proportions:

“There are going to be a lot of tough decisions Barack’s gonna have to make, including foreign policy. Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

I guarantee you it’s gonna happen. And he’s gonna need you to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially that we’re right. So there’s gonna be some tough decisions. They may emanate from the Middle East. They may emanate from Russia’s newly-emboldened position because they’re floating in a sea of oil. View Entire StoryHere.

Then Obama chimed in two days later on October 21 2008:

“The point that Joe made is very similar to the one that Homeland SecretaryChertoff made yesterday. This is that whoever is the next president is going to have to deal with a whole host of challenges internationally.”View Entire StoryHere.

Trilaterist & former State Department chief, Madeline Albright, who supports Obama, agreed with the Obama camp, saying, “Obama will be tested.”

SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA BEGIN

AS FIRST REVEALED by historian, political analyst, and Washington insider, Webster Tarpley of Rense.com- a new ruling elite is now in place in Washington.

This power bloc is headed by the founders of the Trilateral Commission, David Rockefeller & Zbigniew Brzezinski. Obama is no more than a “blank slate” for this new ruling elite.

As the name “Trilateral” reflects, the mission of the Trilateral Commission is to divide the world into three regional super-governments, as an interim step toward world government. As the appellation “Commission” reflects, the instrumentality of a “shadow government” is implied. (More on this soon).

Brzezinski is a known Russophobe, a maniacal adversary of Moscow. Brzezinski’s agenda is to take control of Eurasia, which Brzezinski looks upon as the “center for global power.” The contender for global power, Russia, (as Brzezinski views Russia), has made significant inroads in Eurasia since the Georgian conflict on 8-8-08.

Brzezinski is not unaware of the announcement by Russian President Dimitry Medvedev of his Five Points Of Russian Foreign Policy. Medvedev made the Five Points public following Russia’s trouncing of Georgia when Georgian troops invaded S.Ossetia:

“A single-pole world is unacceptable. Domination is something we cannot allow. We cannot accept a world order in which one country makes all the decisions, even as influential a country as the United States of America.”View Entire StoryHere.

Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, responded by saying that “the sanctions imposed by the US on Russia’s state-run arms exporter contravene international law and will harm ties with Washington.” Lavrov concluded his remarks by saying that the US sanctions was “an unfriendly act.”

And so my friends — the ‘predicted’ world crisis, leaked by the Obama camp on October 19 2008 — has already begun…

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It is my business, that is, I must be about my Father’s business, as Christ was about His essential Father’s busines, (I as an adopted son), to seek Christ’s vantage point in knowing all things, including the perpetrators of the enslavement of the citizens of this world to the globalist agenda. +BN

Look who is the next PM of Israel
not Livni look who is coming for it is the biggest war Hawk in our life time
he is the father of the Neocons
Bibi Netanyahu (SP )
he will arrive around the time frame mentioned by Biden Powel and Obama

ww3 is coming

America has been bankrupted by the Vietnam war any of you old enough will remember pre Vietnam war the times were great post Vietnam war America has reeled from crisis to crisis.
always patching things up to get by each time becoming for difficult to fix things
and now we approach a time where it can no longer be patched up
a time when the pillars holding the whole rotting stench tremble from the weight and cracks are appearing in the pillars.
the days are numbered on this earth by the number 666 and the lord has told us that Satan will rule this Earth put not your trust in man or nation
for Satan rules all until the lord comes forth to claim it all from him
the days are drawing near

Oh Lord grant me the wisdom to see the narrow path to the Promisedland

I have said for many months now that Putin is the one that is going to destroy America. Why?

Because this man is just and GOD chose him to stand up to CRIMINAL,EVIL,BABYLON AMERICA,America has become SODOMA and GOMORA.Visit here if you can,Beware is very ugly stuff.http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/index.php http://folsomstreetfair.org/photos/alley-2000/

Please tell me if you can see any of this garbage in Russia??

When God sees this garbage that America has become,what do you think God the Creator of Everything is saying?

All the secret society,all the Babylonian buildings and stone all over America.God said.Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice,saying.BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN,IS FALLEN,and is become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18:7 How much She hath glorified Herself,and lived deliciously,so much torment and sorrow give Her;for She saith in Her Hearth,I sit a queen,and am no widow,and shall see no sorrow.

18:8 Therefore shall Her plaques come in one day,death,and mourning,and famine;and She shall be utterly burned with fire;for strong is the Lord God who judgeth Her.For you out there zionist christians that believe in the Rapture and believe that the kazars jews that sacrifice chickens are the chosen one,wake up.

Read the Bible and don’t believe your rich PIMPS Prosperity Preacher that have big house,big planes,nice cars,wake up,wake up you people of God and look around you,on tv,in the streets,newspapper,in Iraq,Afganistan,New York.

They have lied to you,you are misslead.Please go here,it’s shocking.WWW.False-Teachers.com They demonized Putin for taking back his country from the jewish oligarch.

MC Cain Call Putin the President of Germany,www.brasschecktv.com Obama is a comunist and not even an american citizen.www.rense.com The zionist jews want to destroy Russia becouse they fear them.Russia will become again a powerfull force,they won’t succed,God is behind Russia,why don’t arogant nations never learn from history?

Russia has destroy Napoleon and Hitler,America is going to have the same fate,but,America will be a waste land in few years from now.This man(Putin) has turned Russia around,from 80$ per month in 2000 he manage to get the gdp in 2007 to 14,600$.

Nice job,well done mr Putin,but,the work is not finish yeat,America want to stop Russia from going all the way to the end,they are scared.You see,i’s very sad to talk about nuclear war,death,killing,but,the Bible state very clear.

What you sow,the same you shoud reap,America as a nation,sow destruction,blood,death,crime,America soon is going to reap the seeds that she planted since 1944.I’m not even Russian but they are right and the zionist west are wrong.

Obama Chides Biden Over Remark About a World Crisis Testing His Presidency

Mr. Obama added, “The question is, Will the next president meet that test by moving America in a new direction by sending a clear signal to the rest of the world that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology?”

That has “Weatherman”/Neocon/Zionist radical tones to it. Sure sounds like we are going after Iran early in the new year.

New draft with females added, New youth groups, even a place for the 4-F (not fit for military service due to health) group.

I can clearly see where having the belief that you are born one of God’s chosen people can have its physiological individual or group benefits when going about bidnes under the ruse of “For God and country”. Also, the belief that those which are not of the chosen race are as mere cattle to be slaughtered at will.

The Georgia conflict was not to test Russia’s resolve but to get it bogged down in Guerrilla warfare. MPRI a Pentagon sub-contractor was training Georgian forces in sabotage techniques and an American mercenary’s passport was found in South Ossetia.
Russia captured an Georgian intelligence officer who tried to recruit militants in Russia’s Ingushetia region so it seems it was to be a plan to engulf the whole Caucus region.

Thankfully it did not work this time.

Russia should have launched an all out PR blitz of all the evidence it’s gathered that could have nailed the US, Isreal, Ukraine, UK, Soros and Brezinski.

@Nicolae

I predict that Putin has read history and planned for economic warfare by the international bankers that’s why he has been keeping billions of reserves like they did to the Czar.

The way the international media is reporting any achievement made by Putin is a fluke like increasing middle class and increase in declining birth rate thanks to government sponsored program drive to increase the birth rate.

One of the last fables was that Putin had a secret offshore bank account of $40 dollars.
The source was a liberal Russian economic advisor during the 90’s who help destroy the country. It slowly disappeared when they could not produce any actual evidence.

Then there’s the opposition that is funded by CIA front democratic institutions like NED and millions spent on anti-Putin websites and media.

Your comments on life in America today have some merit but are not a balanced appraisal, and indicate that you may be a dupe of Zuganov’s communist propaganda in Russia, even if you aren’t Russian and don’t live in the country.

Perhaps you’ve heard of the notorious communist newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, which is currently the top-selling daily tabloid newspaper in Russia, with a daily circulation of 700,000 to 3.1 million copies. If not, what other communist rubbish with a pro-Putin spin as an overlay have you been fed?

Komsomolskaya Pravda is a direct descendant of the wicked All-Union newspaper of the Central Committee of the Komsomol, established by the 13th congress of the Russian Communist Party; and it’s owned by a subsidiary of ECN Group, an energy company with links to Gazprom, and has a counterpart in the other “Pravda” newspaper and “Pravda online”.

America may be messed up morally because of what the antichristian Jews have brought into it; but it’s hardly helpful to send out Putin’s navy and airforce to finish it off. The idea of facing off Russia against America has been a Jew/Communist invention from the beginning, and like you say it’s still going on through the Jews’ dupes like McCain.

Tsarist Russia helped the Union in the Jews’ invention of a civil war in America; but the Jews faced off their communist regime in Soviet Russia against Christian America, and are now using their commnuists allies in Russia and America to stir up strife between the two countries in an attempt to destroy what’s left of Chrisitanity on both sides.

Depraved homosexuals may be more brazen in America because there are more Jews there to make people ’swing’ that way and to protect their ‘rights’ than there are in other countries. But there are now homosexuals, transvestites, pedophiles, etc., everywhere in these last days, and they even have Gay Parades in the ‘Holy City’ of God-forsaken Jerusalem, even if they’re opposed by the hypocritical and morally degenerate Haredi Jews.

If you want an example of public sexual depravity in Russia just look the home page of this English translation of komsomolskaya Pravda …

Don’t tell me there isn’t communist scum trying to rise in Russia again, with all of its amorality, depravity, and beastly brutality, and anything else the wicked Jews that run it can throw at a decent Christian society.

Intresting isn’t that people in New Zealand that support anything in Russia that will keep the communists out and get a Tsar back in, and are against the Marxist Obama’s agenda in America, are being targeted by the Communists rising in the ranks of Putin’s Russia.

A wicked video of ‘Pravda’ propaganda was put out recently, which deliberately defames Christians in New Zealand, and rubbishes the Christian society in country - probably because the Jews running the Communist Party in Russia had heard of New Zealand’s opposition to the state of Israel over the Zev Barkan/Mossad incident and a certain NZ group’s opposition to a Marxist/Obama America.

Christians in New Zealand would hardly publicly protest the pagan Roman Catholic Easter festivities by dancing in the streets naked; but the filthy homosexuals that hate the light of Christianity have tried to do that and are doubtless the perverts in the video.

The Jews that invented communism and largely created the cult of eroto-mania of homosexuality in the West use their communist dupes in Putin’s Russia on this video to brainwash Russians into thinking “Pravda” isn’t subversive communist stuff and to try to get Russians to hate Christian New Zealand.

Just as they’ve demonized Christian America and tried to set up another Russia-America Cold War to facilitate the destruction of Christian America under someone like the Marxist Obama when the Jews demonetize the dollar.

Here is whole lyrics of that song of Armenian Band System of a Down (SOAD)

YOU!!!!

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR?

Barbarisms by Barbaras, With pointed heels.
Victorious, victories, kneel.
For brand new spanking deals
Marching forward hypocritic
and hypnotic computers.`
You depend on our protection,
Yet you feed us lies from the table cloth.

Lalalalala…ouu…

Everybody’s going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.

Everybody’s going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.
Everybody’s going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.

Blast off, its Party time,
And we all live in a fascist nation
Blast off, its party time,
And where the fuck are you?

Where the fuck are you?
Where the fuck are you?

Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR?

Everybody’s going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sunshine.
Everybody’s going to the party have a real good time.
Dancing in the desert blowing up the sun…
Where the fuck are you!
Where the fuck are you!

Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why don’t presidents fight the war?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why do they always send the poor?
Why, do, they always send the poor?
Why, do, they always send the poor?
Why, do, they always send the poor?
They always send the poor
They always send the poor

The point worth noting is that Davis’s work doesn’t simply provide the details of the grossly perverse sex life of the card carrying Communist Party mentor of America’s possible next president; but also lays down what could be construed as the ammoral sexual depravity of the Communist mindset in general.

So what makes you think Communism can’t be revived in America under the Marxist Obama or someone worse when the dollar is demon-etized?

Communism is already in America isn’t it, and the hordes of aliens the Jews have brought in, and the Unions, and the working class in general, and the blacks, are all pretty keen to get Obama elected because of the grim state of the American economy aren’t they?

They are telling us outright that they are going to pull off another 911, and they aren’t even ashamed to tell us they are going to lie right up front. They even tell us when it’s going to happen:

“There’s going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January which we don’t even know about right now!”

“I guarantee you it’s gonna happen. And he’s gonna need you to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially that we’re right.”

“Won’t be apparent initially that we’re right?” They are admitting that what they are going to say will be such a big lie that we’ll all know that they’re “not right.” That means everybody is going to “doubt” what they tell us. It may be horrendous. It will be another 911 and who knows how many innocent people the madmen will murder this time?

Brother,Please go here and be shock.www.zombietime.com On the right side go to Political nudity(Up Your Alley Fair) I mean be real shock.I never ever seen anything like this in my entire life.What you said about Russia’s picture is bad,but,this is very,very,very bad,if you have the stomack for it.God bless you all.

There are actually a whole lot of different circumcisions, like physical male and female pagan circumcision, national Israel’s now defunct male circumcision, and this new dispensation’s circumcision, “in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ”, which is “of the heart, in the Spirit of God, and not in the letter” for the believer in Jesus, and which should be witnessed to by a changed life, involving things like “circumcision of the lips” or ‘changed speech’ that shows you’re now of God.

But what readers might find interesting is that the Jews who have rejected Christ since the Crucifixion have not only marked themselves off by physical male circumcision as dispensationally out of order and apostate from God, but have also actually moved away from the biblical and now defunct rite of (Abrahamic) male circumcision into a horribly depraved pagan rite of circumcision, which is effectively a form of oral sex!

The Jews have, of course, become totally depraved since the Crucifixion, and are experts at all sorts of violence and corruption; but they seem to have a peculiar penchant for sexual depravity, which may well issue of the fact that they’ve not only made of none effect the biblical commandments of God by their traditions and rejected the gospel, but have also taken up with the Pharisaical Talmud as their supreme authority.

For the Mishnah of the Talmud is a compilation of the oral law of the Pharisees who were predominantly of the tribe of Benjamin, which had gained notoriety for sexual depravity in the days of the judges in Israel of a sort that was so shocking that it almost issued in their annihilation at the hands of the other tribes of Israel in order to sanctify the people as a whole before God.

The Jewish historiographer Josephus said the Pharisees had even altered the biblical ordinance of trying a woman for adultery, so that it left the woman’s breast and not her head exposed in the presence of the priest, and with a rope tied around her bare breast, which was really effectively a form of sexual bondage.

You’ll notice also that Christ condemned the hypocrisy of the sexual depravity of the Pharisees, calling them an evil and adulterous generation; and by saying to the those who brought the woman taken in adultery to him to cast the first stone at her if they were without the same sort of sin.

For the Pharisees said she was taken “in the very act”, which indicates that they were probably running a peep show, or had actually participated in the pornographic event.

But getting back to the Jews’ ordinance of circumcision, it may well have remained in the form of the Abrahamic ordinance for several centuries after the Crucifixion, but there’s little doubt that the pagan Khazars who practiced phallic worship before their conversion en masse to Judaism in the 8th century were the inspiration for the form circumcision has today among the Jews.

For the so-called Ashkenazim are predominantly of eastern European ethnicity via the Khazars; and they wrote the rabbinical commentaries on the Mishnah or oral law of the Talmud, which define the rite of circumcision.

And the Ashkenazic commentators on the Mishnah of the Talmud changed the singular biblical Abrahamic ordinance of circumcision into a rite with three stages. And the third stage of circumcision for a Jew is now mezizah, which involves calling upon a mohel or Jewish surgeon to orally and repetitively suck blood from the wounded penis to complete and ostensibly sanctify the awful act!

Admittedly some Reform and Conservative Jews have recently dispensed with mezizah because of the risk of the mohel contracting aids and/or passing the same on to the infant; but it should be noticed that mezizah is mandatory according to the Talmud and should issue in the mohel forfeiting his office if he fails to perform it, which is why the Orthodox continue, at considerable risk, to do it.

All Roads, from where I sit, lead back to the Rothschilds, the same Golden Dawn druids (look up John Todd’s info) Rothschilds that funded McCain, the same Rothschilds that had their oil boy hog tied in Russia.

You speak somewhat coarsely of Webster Tarpley “always crapping on about Zbigniew Brzezinski”; but what about the depraved Jewish psycho-anal-yst Sigmund Freud who had an obsession with what he called “the sex of excrement”, and put a new twist on the Jews’ ancient obsession with scatology, and is arguably the leading inspiration for the appalling depravity of coprophilia, which is becoming increasingly popular among the Jews’ dupes in the Jews’ anti-Christian pornography industry.

In academia, scatology is defined as the study of coprolites or small, round mounds of fossilized dung; and the Jews have always been disproportionately obsessed with it, probably because they’ve always wanted to prove they’ve come from a different biological background or racial origin from that of non-Jews who, according to the Talmud and the Jews’ (yes Jews’) invention of evolutionary science, descend from the apes.

On the other hand, in the Jews’ increasingly popular pornography industry, scatology is defined as and includes coprophilia, which is an obsession with (especially human) excrement, in what is ostensibly an erotic way; and can include clips and videos of depraved Jews and their dupes defecating on each other and simulating eating human excrement, and even eating it, and smearing it over each other, ostensibly in an erotic way.

When Christ died, and was resurrected to the right hand of the Father, he made a way for humanity to look up in hope to him and into the blue vault of the sky, as the way out of the filth we’ve found ourselves in since the fall of man. But the Jews who have killed Christ, and have sold their souls to muckrack over crass temporal material things, have their heads down like the beast; and so they’re obsessed with animal dung in academia and human excrement in their evil global pornography industry as a result.

Indications are that the depraved Ashkenazic rabbis of Khazar ethnicity invented the sadistic homosexual rite of mezizah, which is orally and repetitively sucking blood from a wounded penis in the Jews’ rite of circumcision, to make the Jews sexually disorientated and to bond them to Talmudic rabbinical indoctrination in a subliminal way, and in a manner similar to the way ordinary Roman Catholics are bound to a corrupt institution of religion by priests who get them to confess lewd things in the confessional.

Your response to Mr. Goldsmith seemed to lack any depth of insight into what he is saying about Tarpley. Determining the motives of a man such as Webster Tarpley might deserve more attention then another chapter in the ‘heinous doings of ultra-jews’ series.

@ David Goldsmith-

Your offering your new website for perspective on this issue is a bold move. I think your site deserves a careful reading, and I agree on the surface with what you are saying. I have been waiting for a voice from within Israel to speak about these things openly, and in the context of how a concerned person of any state deals openly with the threats and contradictions he is enmeshed in. I expect you to be partial to your country, and that is essentially O.K. It is that you appear to strike a brave view of this topic from within the eye of the storm. I hope you meet the eyes of enough people to raise that serious question: What about all those people in Israel that see what is wrong, and speak against it?

It’s called generally concurring with another poster, while using some of what they’ve said to make another post with similar connotations, so that the continuity of the thread, in general, isn’t disrupted too much.

If you don’t like my “chapters” on the Jews, don’t read them. It seems you’re only responding to my post because it touched your conscience that there’s something you ought to do about them to justify not doing anything about what I’m really saying in them.

Bro Nathanael only publishes my posts after careful scrutiny, and because he generally concurs with the content, and because he knows a hell of a lot more about Jews than you do.

Oh, and by the way, there is no such thing as a Jew who is not “ultra”; because scripture says all of them are reprobate concerning the gospel, and run against Christ and Christians, and are “contrary to all men”.

David, Br. Nathanael clearly states in his articles that Rockefeller is the resident money man… Above that, if you follow the money - everything leads to the Rothschilds, of course. ~~ Intellectually - Brzezinski strikes me as someone who sees himself at the top… his ideas are mostly his, because he believes that that he’s got it all figured out (Grand Chessboard).

I don’t think Brzezinski will “kneel before” Obama after the geopolitical ‘chess masters’ he writes some of the manuals for have put Obama in power; even if Brzezinski is found out as a Jew, as “Joshua” has posted on another thread, and has a role and name with connotations similar to the Jewess, Monica Jewinski, who doubtless “knelt before” the Democratic hypocrite Bill Clinton to bring him to heel.

Brzezinski is in the big league, but probably primarily only as a theoretician in geopolitical sphere of things; and as “Joshua” says, there’s really no mystery about how the great pyramid of this world’s power rises to its apex, because the world’s not really that big a place at the end of the day.

Christians know from scripture that the love of money is the root of all evil, which means you’ve only got to follow the trail of who has got the lust for and has accumulated the most of it to find out who is nearest to Satan as “the god of this world”, which is a system of things ordered from its inception against the true and living God of our Lord Jesus Christ who is of an entirely different order.

The Rothschilds easily have the most physical gold, which is the only real proof of wealth where there’s trade based on the “Monopoly money” of fiat currencies issued by the Jew controlled private corporations called central banks and on a so-called fractional reserve.

So it’s no marvel that the leading Rothschilds have always been hard out for Satan offering him ‘human sacrifices’ in the revolutions and wars they fund and foment, so that he will bring in an ideal world under Israel’s antichrist, and as the nemesis of the kingdom of God, which, Satan knows, is to be ruled by God’s Son Jesus Christ.

This business of Brzezinski “kneeling before” someone has connotations of worship before an altar; but I don’t think he’s in on the Rothschild cabal that offers the more literal sacrifice to Satan in the form of matzah mingled with human blood and a velvety dessert wine mingled with human blood, as a sort of counterpart (I can’t say antithesis) of what Roman Catholics say is the literal body and blood of the Lord in the sacrilegious “sacrifice” of the Mass.

From your bigotted remarks about the Catholic Faith, I must assume that you are a protestant fundamentalist.

But do you realize that you are also disrespecting your host’s, Brother Nathaniel’s Faith, since Orthodox Christians also believe that the bread and the wine beome the Body and Blood of Christ. They, too, have the Sacrament of Confession and they also celebrate Easter and Christmas.

… J.R.I. Bearjaw, How much gold do they have, anyway ? ALL of it ? I know Canada & America don’t have any left !.. ~~~~ I visited a site about famous Jews (set up by a Jew, in a bragging way)… & the list of the wealthiest Jews didn’t have 1 Rothschild on it ! The list claimed some guy that works for Bill Gates is the richest Jew in the world ! HA ! ~~~~ The $ # was nowhere NEAR the 31.5 TRILLION that Rothschild is worth ! Who are they trying to kid ?

“When the hour had come, [Jesus] sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Pascha with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said “Take this and divide it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you; do this in rememberance of Me.” [Luke 22:14-20]

The word “rememberance” in Greek is ~anemeno~ to await; to wait for. A related word is ~anamimnesko~ to remind; to recollect: to call to mind; to bring to, call to, put in rememberance, in the active sense of continuing action.

The Passover signifies deliverance of the Hebrew people from Egypt. In this passage, Jesus with fervent desire, anticipates the great deliverance of humanity from the power of sin, which will be accomplished through His saving death, establishing the New Covenant. This Passover meal is the Last Supper, continued in the Eucharist/Mass [~eucharistos~”good gifts”] of the Church, which is to be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Christ is the Lamb of God who gives Himself as a sacrifice on the Cross for the salvation of the world. ‘Rememberance’ in its biblical significance is a reliving of the original event. We do this through the sacred act of the Mystery of the Eucharist.

Regardless of a number of differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy as a “divided house”, what we share in common in the Eucharist/Mass, is the bowing in reverent wonder before this ineffable mystery of this living rememberance of our Lord Jesus, the Lamb of God, becoming our Passover and deliverance from death.

JESUS INSTITUTED THE EUCHARIST, the long-awaited messianic banquet. The Lord’s words “this is my body, this is my blood” are repeated in the Divine Liturgy at the invitation of Christ to receive His precious Body and Blood.

The Old Covenant was sealed with the blood of bulls and goats. The New is sealed by the gift of Christ, who shed His own blood to reconcile us with God and reunite us to Himself. He calls it the ‘blood of the new covenant, that is, God’s promise, the new Law. By new He means we now have immortal and incorruptible Life.

As KathJ has said about herself, “It is better to be an informed bigot than blindly prejudiced.”

A few months ago, I read that a Russian Orthodox woman and scientist had been researching for eleven years the phenomena which is called divine “grace”, had repeatedly confirmed in experiments that the electromagnetic properties of water subtly changed after a prayer blessing and making the sign of the Cross over the water.

Take care what you call “sacriligious” in terms of the Divine Mysteries of the Church, without at least studying them for yourself outside of the Protestant perspective.

From your bigoted remarks about my faith, I can only assume that you are a dupe of the Roman Catholic religious institution, which has departed from the faith once delivered to the saints, and exacerbated that sin against God since the Great Schism, notably by instituting the heresy of transubstantiation, which was invented by a corrupt priesthood so that they could more completely defile their parishioners who eat things sacrificed to the idols of Roman Catholicism, when they partake of the so-called host, sacrament, and sacrifice of the mass.

The doctrine of transubstantiation is heresy, and has never been upheld by the Orthodox Church, which prefers to neither affirm nor deny it, preferring to call the Eucharist a “Sacred Mystery”, which is doubtless why Bro Nathanael let my post go unchallenged.

Your assumption that I am either a Protestant or a Fundamentalist is quite false, as I repudiate both positions.

I uphold the biblical doctrine that the bread and wine in the communion of the eucharist or so-called Lord’s supper “IS the body and blood of the Lord”, and that there is a mystical/spiritual aspect to that communion when it is partaken of, which is very profound.

I do not accept the Protestant doctrine of consubstantiation, nor do I accept the fundamentalist doctrine that the elements of the communion are simply bread and wine and remain as such throughout the entire event, and I would certainly not say that the “substance” of the bread and wine is changed at any time.

I will not move outside the boundaries of what the scriptures actually say, and will affirm that the bread and the wine “are the body and blood of the Lord”; and I will not accept that the “SUBSTANCE” of literal bread and wine in the communion is at anytime CHANGED into the literal body and blood of the Lord.

The Roman Catholic sacrament of the mass is sacrilegious not simply because it affirms transubstantiation, which cannot be verified by scripture, but also because it is a “sacrifice”; because scripture says the “sacrifice” of Christ cannot be repeated and was offered once for all for ever on the cross, when he was made to be sin for fallen humanity.

To enter into a debate about what Roman Catholics and dictionaries define as a “sacrifice” is semantics, and is I believe unprofitable.

I can see that your intention is relatively harmless and has some goodwill, but I would warn you before God about publicly denigrating Christians in this forum by assuming things about what they’ve studied and what is their perspective on biblical doctrine, before actually finding out what they believe.

You will also notice in scripture that the apostle Paul did not suffer a woman “to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence”.

Your role as a teacher of biblical doctrine in this forum is quite out of order.

It’s estimated that around 95 percent of all physical gold bullion and coin is in the hands of Jews, and that the descendants of Mayer Amschel Rothschild have more than 70 percent of it.

Speculators say the Rothschilds’ “net worth” (whatever that means) is more than 400 trillion, but to try to quantify it is actually impossible, because I believe they own more than half of the dry land of the earth.

J.R.I.Bearsjaw : Whoa, man ! We’re all supposed to be on the same side here - THE GOOD SIDE ! … That means a level of respect & goodwill for others - especially welcome guests of Br. Nathanael’s House (here). ~~~~ KathJuliane, I’ve learned from your writings, so you’ve taught me… & I’m glad ! I know things I wouldn’t have, if you hadn’t posted, & it matters NOT that you are a woman ! ~~~~ I wonder if Jesus learned anything from his mother ? :^)

God bless you for your concerns and your insights. Forgive me for any offense that you may feel. And if I have presumed wrongly that you are neither Catholic or Orthodox, but Protestant, then please forgive that, too.

As it stands, I am in submission to Brother Nathanael as my “male head” or authority for purposes of HIS OPEN FORUM website as is proper to an Orthodox woman, and he may edit out or request that I not continue to write or teach at any time. If he does so request, then I will obey Brother Nathanael. Therefore, having his permission as my male authority, and the assertion “to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence” is irrelevent. Besides, Apostle Paul’s first pastoral epistle to Bishop Timothy was concerning conduct specifically inside the Church of Ephesus. We shall get to that in a moment.

As it is BN’s website, he is the final authority, and no one else, so I am answerable only to him in my obedience. If something I say offends someone, I am obliged to ask for forgiveness, and if I mis-state something, I am obliged to correct it. However, please know, that unless BN tells me to quit, then I shall continue to write, and as it stands, you will continue to get annoyed. It is your annoyance and irritation that you must prayerfully deal with.

I providentially received the double baptismal name of Katherine-Juliane at my conversion many years ago, and my sainted namesakes were both sharp-tongued women confessors of Christ and Holy Martyrs who stood up to two different Caesars of Diocletian’s Tetrachy during the Great Persecution of the early 4th century. They each were publicly tortured-Katherine in Alexandria and Juliane in Syria–and then beheaded. Without impugning their holy dignity whatsoever, lifting their heads off of their shoulders was the only way the Caesars could shut them up.

The Orthodox Church’s greatest Saint is a woman, who is always held up to be “the great example” of Christian life, and she is the Virgin Mary the Theotokos or Mother of God. Although not titled as “Apostle” as her title of Theotokos is incomparably higher in glory and dignity, the Virgin Mary herself was the “Apostle of Jerusalem” and Mother of the Church of the Apostles for the remainder of her life after Christ’s Ascension, except for a period of time during the Jewish persecutions of Christians when she was taken out of Judea into I believe Asia Minor for a few years. There she, the Apostle John, and the “equal to the Apostle” Mary Magdalena co-labored in spreading the Gospel, and then the Virgin Mary returned to Jerusalem to continue her apostolic labors with the Magdelene and John until her repose possibly about 49 CE.

The Virgin Mary is the Mother of the Church and is the Abbess of all Orthodox monasteries, and monks and nuns model their lives and spiritual discipline on her life as the traditional “great example” of chastity, poverty, love, obedience to God, and the “ponderer of all things in her heart.”

Some women as co-laborers in the Word, including Mary Magdelene, are called “equal to the Apostles”, while others served as ordained deacon[esses] (Romans 16:1), an office which is now long inactive in the Church, but not abolished. Tonsured Orthodox nuns long ago assumed the duties of the office of deaconess. While sharing full equality in Christ, women are not ordained to the offices of bishop and presbyter in the Orthodox Church, and that is how the Church has always understood this passage in Timothy.

Let us look at the First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to Timothy.

So, while I understand your point, that you are annoyed that a woman is “teaching”, one of the weaknesses of modern Protestant Evangelism is the problem of “prooftexting” from one verse of Scripture, and taking it out of the context of the entire chapter, or even the full book.

First of all, it is a pastoral letter from Paul to Timothy about certain problems occuring inside the particular Church of Ephesus. In Ephesus, where Paul had left Timothy as bishop, some church members were promoting a variety of theological opinions–from the irrelevent to the dangerously heretical (1:3-7; 4:1, 2, 7; 6:3-5). Paul found it necessary to excommunicate a couple of the speculators (1:19,20). The Church was also dealing with external pressures: from the Hellenistic mystery religions, which made much misuse of the term “salvation” and “savior”; and from the cult of emperor worship, according to which Caesar is “lord”, and Pharisee Judaizing legalism (1:5-11)by converts. Within the Pharisee cult were women Pharisees, and even the Rabbis of the Talmud viewed women Pharisees as a major “woe”.

Of the Hellenistic mystery religions, the most influential was the goddess Diana cult of Ephesus. Received into the Church of Ephesus were probably female converts who were once pagan priestesses and ecstatics, that were also disturbing the peace of the community.

Clearly then, the Apostle Paul was writing to Bishop Timothy about pastoral care of the faithful in this particular church, but firmly established general themes for the entire Church. In Paul’s reasonings, if the Church is to manifest the Kingdom of God on earth, then the government of the Church is integrally connected with both apostolic doctrine (1:1-20; 3:14-4.5) and worship (2:1-15). Subthemes include (1) the role of clergy, (2) combatting heresy, (3) care for women, widows, and slaves, and (4) money and the ministry.

If we turn to the Epistle to Titus, Apostle and Bishop of the island of Crete, while some of the problems were similar, where Timothy was restoring order in established churches, Titus was establishing order in younger churches.

I hope you will find of particular interest Chapter 2 of Titus, where Paul writes to Titus, “speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things–”

As I am an older woman well past 55, I attempt to do just that to “be a teacher of good things”, even though I am usually cranky, and a terrible Christian. In any case, if you are any degree younger than I, then you should perhaps contemplate the 5th commandment, which the Orthodox Church understands to apply not only to one’s specific father and mother, but respect to one’s elders in general.

In any case, since this an open forum website and in no sense a church in terms of liturgical worship, then Apostle Paul’s epistle to Timothy does not actually apply at all here.

Until this modern age, pious and saintly Orthodox women were the first teachers of their children in the home teaching them to read and write from Scripture itself. Many saintly mothers have been honored for having children who became canonized Holy Saints, Martyrs and Tzars, great theologians and philosophers, and even scientists. Nikolai Tesla whom you may have heard of, was a Hungarian-born Serbian Orthodox. In the history of the Orthodox, there have been ruling Byzantine Caesara Augustaii (Empresses), and ruling Holy Queens of Orthodox nations, one of the greatest is Tamara of Georgia.

Of the Holy Fathers of the Church, their voices include some “Mothers”. In the Byzantine Roman Empire especially in the East, compulsory education was enacted and upwards of 40% of girls went on to receive higher education.

The first female Senator to the US Congress from the State of California in 1984 was Serbian Orthodox.

Now presuming that you are outside the communion of either the Anglican, Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church, it is also presumed that your confession is probably non-sacramental, but if I am wrong, please forgive, and I’ll take the correction, but from the tenor of your writings, it is clear that you are a Bible-based Christian, which is well and good so far as you can take it by yourself. The Bible is one of the “Five Pillars of Holy Tradition” which the common heritage of Catholics, Anglicans and the Eastern Churches.

In any case, if your confession is outside of one of these three as “Scriptural-based”, then it has no apostolic foundation or succession whatsoever, meaning ordained clergy who can authentically trace back through the generations to either the chief Twelve Apostles or one of the members of the Seventy Apostles.

The hands that consecrate the Orthodox at Baptism were in turn consecrated by ordained hands which were consecrated by ordained hands, and so forth back to the Apostles hands themselves, who in turn were breathed upon by our Lord Jesus and who received the gift of the Holy Spirit in tongues of flames in the Upper Room. That is the apostolic succession in the office of bishops, of whom the priest is the representative. By the gift of the Holy Spirit, the hands that baptized and consecrated me into Orthodoxy are the hands of the Apostles themselves.

The same can be said for the other Eastern Churches and for every Catholic/Anglican, since the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church were one united “Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church” as the State Church of the empire for over 800 years.

That there is not canonical union among the bishops of the Apostolic confessions is an entirely different matter, and much too lengthy to go into.

If you are not Catholic, Anglican, or of the Eastern Churches, then you are one of the 20,000 or so “denominations” or “sects” of Protestantism, and apparently must be a “Biblical Christian”, that is a “church” of one. 2 Peter has some words about that.

“And so we [the Apostles in the Holy Spirit] have the prophetic word [speaking forth for God, teaching] which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place…knowing this first, that no prophecy [speaking forth for God, teaching} of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the WILL OF MAN, but by holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

The testimony of the apostles both (1) confirms prophetic word concerning the Second Coming and (2) shows us how to interpret prophecy. Heretics (ch. 2) and unstable Christians (3:16) interpret incorrectly. The apostles are guided by the Holy Spirit (v.21), trusting in the promise of true interpretation (John 16:13). The Church, founded by the apostles, likewise receives the Holy Spirit. In the Church the Lord’s Theophany to the world is preserved in Apostolic Tradition and therefore the Church is logically the proper and primary interpreter of that revelation. That interpretation is not the proper role of someone who comes along, reads a bit of the revelation, and decides what it means.

This is quite different from the Christian struggler, who, hearing the homeward call from Heaven in their soul, are not sure in this confusing age which Church to turn to, so “unchurched” they follow a more difficult path of their own spending 10,20, 30 years trying things that ring true or false. There are many prayers, and blind trust that the Lord will lead them to where they need to be. I know what that is like, and I believe I can say that for Brother Nathanael it was very much like that, but exceptionally more difficult. The Church has a concept called “Orthodox known only to God”. Let us not forget the righteous Centurion Cornelius of Acts 10.

The Orthodox teaching is that if you divorce the Scriptures from their context, break them away from the Church which created them and declared them to be what they are, anything can happen. People through the centuries, have, on the basis of private interpretation, concluded all sorts of things from reading Scripture that have not been believed or experienced by the people of God. We see, when we look at the world through Orthodox eyes, what happens when private interpretation becomes the criterion of truth.

Looking at the history of non-Orthodox Christians for the last thousand years, Orthodox observe a question, which is never satisfactorily answered. What is the criterion of truth? Where does one find the standard of truth? Is it found in one particular authority figure in the Church? Is it found in the Book, by itself, independently? Either one of those answers the Orthodox find unsatisfactory. As to the second answer, when you say, “All I need for salvation, I can find with me and my Bible alone,” you are saying that the criterion of truth is me and what I think. Don’t complain about “papal infallibility” when in fact, you’ve just made the same claim yourself, that you are, in effect, the infallible criterion of truth through private interpretation. The result of that, in Orthodox eyes, is the continual proliferation of various bodies that call themselves churches. New denominations are forming every week, all based primarily on private interpretation of the Scriptures. Nowhere in Holy Scripture is there justification for the Sola Scriptura doctrine itself.

It is the understanding of the Orthodox, and which we boldly declare to both “papal infallibility” and “the infalliblity of the private mind”, that Holy Scriptures cannot be completely, truthfully understood unless they are understood within the patristic context of the Church and the Apostolic Holy Tradition that produced them, that declared them to be what they are.

The sacred trust of the Orthodox Church is her Apostolic “deposit of faith”, and her mission in the world at this point is a teaching and curative mission. Great historical and political forces occured in the Latin West, such as the collapse of the western portion of the empire, feudalism, the “Dark Ages”, etc that did not occur in the East, which is why the Eastern Church has preserved the Apostolic Faith. Some things got lost in the Latin West.

Russia has Byzantine roots to Constantinople, and is part of “the deposit of faith”. Constantinople as the capital of the Roman Empire fell in 1453 to the Ottoman Turks. The Byzantine Churches survived under the Muslim millet system, and there was internal communications with the Orthodox millet and Russia, who assumed a protectorate role as the one free Orthodox Church outside of Islam.

In the past 30 or so years, the Orthodox Churches in America have been industriously translating Greek, Slavic, Russian, and other ethnic religious literature and books into English and is being made available to the public in general, and for all Christians in particular. I mentioned elsewhere that the authoritative Orthodox Study Bible was published last year, and it is the pan-Orthodox charitable labor of numerous theologians,scholars and workers under the supervision of the Orthodox bishops here in America.

That is not saying that people do not derive spiritual profit and consolation from reading the Holy Bible, because elsewhere the Holy Fathers teach that Scripture is a like a private letter from Christ our King addressed to every single one of us to read for ourselves and which speaks to the human heart.

Now, I appreciate your attempt to take the Orthodox view, but I am afraid there are some misconceptions at play here. That the Orthodox Church in her mystical theology of the Sacraments/Mysteries does not follow the theological “style” of the Catholic Church, in that the Latin West uses precise definitions and syllogistic deduction in its Scholastic approach to theology in trying to explain an ineffible mystery, does not mean the tradition Transubstantiation is a sacriligious teaching. As a matter of fact, the Latin dogma of Transubstantiation was specifically enacted to “build a dogmatic fence” around the Holy Mysteries to keep them from being profaned and treated sacriligiously by indifferent clergy at the time. The Orthodox Church “neither affirms or denies” the dogma simply because it IS Roman Catholic tradition. Certain internal conditions are reserved to the Local Churches. There are traditions found in the Greek Church that are not found in the Russian, and vice versa. To the Orthodox Church it is an OPINION, not one taught in Orthodoxy, and I suppose there may be theologians studying the issue.

I am quite familiar with the 19th century Rev. Alexander Hislop of the Free Church of Scotland as an outspoken critic of the Roman Catholic Church, along with others, which if he had been familiar with the Orthodox Church would have heaped the same criticisms as a good portion of the Iconclastic Protestants already do towards us in this day. Every so often a local knee-jerk Bible-believer still calls me an “idolator” because of Orthodox icons. Some of Rev. Hislop’s research into religious mythology, legend and symbology as came from archelogical finds are quite interesting, but he also showed an apalling lack of knowledge about the Byzantine Roman Church and State history (when the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches were the one Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church as the state religion of the Byzantine Roman Empire), Holy Tradition and the Seven Ecumenical Synods, the last Synod which anathemized Iconoclasm (Image-hating) itself as a Christian heresy.

And that canard about Holy Emperor Constantine “paganizing” Christianity is patently absurd. As Caesar Augustus he was certainly responsible for convening the First Ecumenical Synod of Bishops as it was his responsibilty to maintain civil order within the empire from Britain to Armenia. Shortly after the adoption of Christianity as the religion of State, the Arian controversy threatened to tear apart the empire in civil war, so he invoked the first Synod of Bishops from all over the empire to formulate and declare the true orthodox and catholic doctrines of the Church. 318 bishops attended the Synod, not counting priests, deacons, and lay theologians and scholars who were also present and assisted. Some of those bishops were survivors of Diocletian’s persecutions, and there is no way that that group particularly would knuckle under to a mere emperor. He was one of the presidents of the assembly, along with the then Archbishop of Archaica Roma and the Archbishop of Constantinople-Nea Roma.

These are uncertain times, and the world is going to Judeo-Babylonish hell and chaos and has spiritually infected everything like a cancer. What has proven resistant through the Holy Spirit throughout the ages is the Orthodox Church and her sheer obstinancy in refusing to conform to anything but Apostolic Tradition. What people do appreciate when they get to know somewhat about the Church is the sense of constancy and antiquity.

The Catholic Church in America has taken some very bad hits in terms of the “spirit of the age”-modernism, liberalism, the scandals, no soft-pedaling this fact, and to my view, the monolithic structure of the Papacy makes for a precarious and vulnerable situation that could go in a number of directions. Regardless of whether the popes have given up wearing the tiara, it is still structurally a topheavy papal monarchy, and the fracture lines are forming. If the head is taken, and some opinion is that it already has been compromised, then what will Catholics do?

I have no real answers for my Catholic friends when they talk to me about it, who are reluctant to convert, which is fine, other than to tell them study the resources and episcopal structure of the Orthodox Church, because Catholics and their bishops have apostolic grounds they can fall back on if the papacy fails. During the Bolshevik Revolution, the Moscow Patriarchate was taken and eventually politically compromised, but during the hostilities a number of bishops from southern Russia and Ukraine fled to Serbia, and then submitted to the Patriarch as an exile synod of bishops, thus retaining canonical union with one Patriarch, and then formed the Exile Church, eventually renamed the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia.

In Europe, America and Australia ROCOR endured over 80 years of political exile, while inside the Soviet system the “Catacomb Church” formed and endured the Communist Yoke. Just last year, thanks to the quiet efforts of President Putin, reconciliation between ROCOR and the Moscow Patriarchate were formally made and ROCOR came back into regular canonical union with all of the Orthodox Churches, to the joy of all the faithful. ROCOR is now a fully recognized canonical autonomous Church.

Well, it is time to go. God bless you, and thank you for reminding me of my place.

OK, lets see if this institution of religion called the Orthodox Church, which claims exclusive right to the patristic teachings of the church, the body of Christ, and with its internal divisions or factions, will really stand the test of the truth of the word of God as you say.

But first let me thank Bro Nathanael for affirming the “open forum” status of this site; and please be sure that I respect him as the host and moderator of the same.

You might think I’m a little late in getting this post away, but please note that I live on the other side of the planet, which is not necessarily a disadvantage, because there is actually a mountain in my region that gets the first light of the sun worldwide on the new calendar day.

Before breaking new ground in debate, let me first address your contention that that my quote from Paul’s first epistle to Timothy was taken out of its context, when I applied it to you as a “teacher” of the Bible in this forum.

While I will readily concede that Paul’s epistle is addressed to a local assembly in Ephesus, and that the general tenor of the doctrine has to do with “how one should behave in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth”; you will notice that the context of the verse in question very definitely transcends those boundaries, taking the interpretation of it into the context of all of humanity … “for Adam was first formed then Eve,” etc.; just as the preceding verses clearly lay down injunctions for “praying everywhere” and for women to adorn themselves everywhere “in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety, etc.”

I do not believe your contention that you have the right to usurp authority over men in this forum, as a teacher of biblical doctrine in a didactic way, has been justified by scurrying for safety under Bro Nathanael as your “head”.

If Bro Nathanael was your husband as the host of this site, you would have grounds for offering counsel on biblical matters to other posters, as subject to him as your head, and in a manner similar to the way Aquila and Priscilla took the somewhat immature Apollos aside and counselled him in their home; but that is clearly not applicable, and you have, in fact, affirmed that you are in submission to him not as your husband, but as your “male head”, which is indeed a biblical role you should adopt, but under all men, and which is violated when you teach biblical doctrine to men in this forum in a didactic way.

You say you were named for “two sharp-tongued women confessors of Christ”, and reiterate that the Orthodox Church’s “greatest saint” is a woman; and I think this is getting to the crux of the matter.

For while their is no question that the mother of the Lord was a chaste and godly women, she was not prominent in the early church, and is mentioned but once in the Acts; and to speak of her as “the greatest saint” of the church, the body of Christ, has feminist overtones, and ignores the fact that Paul said Peter, James, and John, “seemed to be pillars” of the church.

Indeed it is without controversy that the apostle Paul has been the single most significant saint in the whole history of the church, the body of Christ; not only as an evangelist and teacher, but as the writer of thirteen epistles in the New Testament; and as a man who had a walk with the Lord that far excelled in profundity that of Mary, the mother of Lord, who was rebuked by Christ for her lack of discernment in spiritual things on at least two occasions, and was given the appellation “woman” by the Lord who is no respecter of persons, in the sense that it is no fee ticket to a high place in this life or the life to come to be even the mother of the Lord himself.

Let me take this issue a little further, and say that there is a common denominator in apostate Christendom today, which is not simply the tag of a sectarian denomination itself, which is common to the various factions of the Orthodox Church, but moreover, a feminist spirit of Jezebel (Rev. 2.20), that pervades the whole, and has reduced men to mice, and elevated the women to teachers and (I might add) speakers in the churches, and brought all of the Orthodox Church and Roman Catholicism to the feet of a woman, nicknamed Mary the Mother of God, and the Queen of heaven.

Let me ask you, why is a woman left to champion the truth of the Orthodox Church on this site, while there are doubtless dozens of priests of Orthodox and Roman Catholic persuasion cowering like mice in the background?

And you may ask, how is it that the Orthodox and Roman Catholic denominations or factions in Christendom worship this feminist deity, Mary the Mother of God, and the Queen of Heaven, according to a spirit of Jezebel?

Well, for a start, I would draw you attention to the prominence the festivities of Easter and Christmas have in apostate Christendom today; because they involve making hot crossed buns, chocolate rabbits, and Christmas tarts to a deity that is not the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and is synonymous with the pagan deity the apostate children of Israel “made cakes to”, and was called “the Queen of heaven”, as is related by the prophet Jeremiah.

This now brings us to that other fundamental error that pervades all of apostate Christendom, and from which the various factions in the Orthodox Church are not exempt; which is a failure to rightly divide the word of truth, or to rightly recognize what Paul calls the “dispensations” of God in the Bible; and, I might add, it has a direct bearing on the Eucharist or Lord’s supper as it is practiced by the Orthodox Church, which was the original issue in question in thread.

For I noticed in your other post that you upheld the teaching of the various factions in the Orthodox Church, which interprets the Lord’s supper as more less synonymous with the Passover feast, failing to discern that the Lord instituted an entirely new ordinance “after supper” (Lk. 22.20), by taking the leftover bread and wine of the paschal feast, and saying “take eat, this is my body … this cup is the new testament in my blood, etc.”

This whole business of failing to rightly divide the word of truth will doubtless leave the teachers in the various factions and denominations in Christendom ashamed at the judgement seat of Christ, as Paul said; and it is the reason why the Orthodox Church has the traditions of men like making red Easter eggs, and a whole host of other traditions of men that effectively make of none effect many of the most significant teachings of the apostle Paul in this entirely new and unique dispensation of the church, the body of Christ.

You will not find the early Christians in the Acts of the Apostles and in the first two or three centuries of this Christian era dressed up like that, but fighting for their lives, with the whole armour of God on, which is obviously a spiritual concept, and with weapons of warfare that aren’t carnal, and taking up their cross for Christ spiritually, and unlike a wooden cross carrying monk “in a nurses outfit”.

I’m prepared to elaborate on what my role is as Christian, as a member of the church, the body of Christ, and as a worshipper of the Father “in spirit and in truth”, and outside of the carnal boundaries of the various sects and factions in apostate Christendom, but obviously there’s not room for that on this post.

Hope this gets Air Talmud flying again. I wouldn’t like to think I knocked the wings off the thing in the first bout.

How does someone affirm respect for Br. Nathanael…. and then in the same post refer to him as a “wooden cross carrying monk in a nurse’s outfit” ?… ~~~ Respect is one of those things you can talk about all day, but the proof really IS in the pudding ! ~~~ I would guess Br. Nathanael carries his Cross not only to demonstrate his faith, but also to THRUST it into the faces of the Anti-Christ Jews… for they do HATE it so ! ~~~ We should all display our Crosses while we still can ! If the ADL had their way - it would be illegal !… Would YOU have the guts to walk around with a Cross ?… No ? - well that’s YOUR issue ! … Peace

Also along those lines… I just read an article talking about the fact that in some areas, voting stations are set-up in Churches. The article was interviewing a Jewish man - who was announcing that he was filing a lawsuit because of it ! ~~~~ Apparently, he was “sick for a week after, because he was forced to stand under a Cross” in the lineup !… he also likened the experience to “making a black man vote in a KKK hall” ! ~~~ I asked myself if a menorrah would have the same effect on me… I answered myself NO !… The Jews HATE The Cross ! All the more reason for us to LOVE IT !

I confused you about the use of the word Pascha. We do not keep the old Israelite feast. Biblically, the Israelite Pesach or Passover was a “shadow and type” in the Old Testament era that prophesied the Divine Messiah and Savior to Come.

Orthodox Pascha is the Feast of the Resurrection of Christ. Christ is the Lamb of God whose sacrifice of Himself delivers the faithful from death, as the sacrifice of the Pesach Lamb delivered the ancient Israelites from slavery and death in Egypt. (1Cor 5:7,8). Christ, crucified and risen, is our Paschal Lamb, our Pascha or Passover. Death passed over old Israel in Egypt for their deliverance, the Lamb of God passed over death for our salvation. Since our life in Christ includes keeping the feast of the Last Supper (1 Cor 5:8) as we await in continued rememberance of His second Coming as Jesus commanded, Passover is fulfilled in the Holy Eucharist in the precious Body and Blood during the Divine Liturgy on the First Day of the week. Every First Day is a memorial of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

In the English-speaking world, things have gotten a little messy in terms of our modern calendar, which is a mix of Roman and German names for days (Sat Sun are Roman, Weds is Woden’s day, Thur is Thors day, Fri is Frigga’s Day- and I don’t remember what Mon & Tues are) but the word “Easter” did not actually enter the Catholic and Orthodox ethnic vocabularies until our immigrant parents came to the English speaking world in the latter half of the 19th century, obviously because the root of Easter is Anglo-Saxon. The Irish spoke Gaelic and used a Latin liturgy. It may very well have been related to the old Babylonish Ishtar, but has nothing to do with either the doctrines and dogmas of either the Catholic or Orthodox Church. There were goddess cults everywhere.

If you are going to point Rev. Hislop’s finger, then perhaps you should first start with the Church of England and the other churches of the British Isles itself during the Victorian Era, as that is when both chocolate became quite popular as a result of the British trade triangle, and is also the era that the British aristocracy became interested in Masonry, Spiritism, Illuminism, Middle East archeology, Greek archeology, etc.

Our traditional liturgical calendar for the week starts on First Day (Sunday) and ends on Seventh Day (Saturday). The liturgical 24-hour day commences at 6 p.m. the evening before instead of the old Roman midnight. (Hmmmm. The Orthodox liturgical day begins at sundown. Sounds familiar. Could this possibly have been passed on from the Israelite Apostles themselves who were Christians of the circumcision?)

~Pascha~ is Greek for “Passover”; Latin derived from the Greek, so Romance languages like Spanish use ~la Pasqua~; Brythoni (Breton) is ~Pasq~ and Welsh use ~Pask~. In most Slavic languages, the name for Easter either means “Great Day” or “Great Night”. In Croatian and Serbian, however, the day’s name reflects a particular theological connection: it is called Uskrs, meaning “Resurrection”. It also explains the fact that in Serbian Easter is called Vaskrs, a liturgical form inherited from the Serbian recension of Church Slavonic translated from the Greek. In Russian it is ~Paska~ derived from the Church Slavonic. On Resurrection Day we greet each other with “Christ is Risen” in whatever language.

The modern English term Easter developed from the Old English word ~Eastre~, which itself developed prior to 899. The name refers to the ~Eostur-monath~, a month of the Germanic calendar which may have been named for the goddess Ēostre in Anglo-Saxon paganism, attested by Venerable Bede. Whatever “Babylonish” connection Easter may have that Hislop imputed to the Roman Catholic Church has actually come by way of Anglo-Saxon and Germanic traditions in the latest part of the first millenia.

Molded chocolate bunnies are actually a fairly recent half-secular commercialization, probably from Victorian times, in the same way Christmas has become humanized. The red eggs of Pascha tradition, almost universally represented “eternal life” in the pagan world in various places. It was natural to incorporate the dyed red egg (symbolizing the Lord’s Blood that was shed on the Cross for the promise of eternal life) and decorated eggs as part of the various religious feast foods and folk art traditions.

Fellow Christian, I see that you are still stuck on dear Rev. Hislop, a fine Scottish Presbyterian with an axe to grind with his Iconclastic grievances in the mid-19th century against the Catholic Church for whatever reasons. Some of his research is very interesting in terms of mythology, symbology and legends relating to ancient world, and the Babylonish “spirit of the age” as it may pertain to the Bible and this world.

The short answer is this: Christianity was not paganized, paganism was Christianized. In such things like eggs, which in the pagan world denoted eternal life, in missionary work things like this sometimes used to point to the higher Truth, much like the Apostle Paul used the “Temple of the Unknown God” during his preaching at the Aeropagus.

Orthodox women theologians and PhD’s are very conservative Christians and some of the most active anti-feminists in the Christian world. Orthodox women do not need feminism or “feminist theology”, because true womanly virtue is found in the life of my Church and we have excellent women and husband-wife role models as part of the heavenly “cloud of witnesses” of the holy saints and martyrs who are recorded in our Tradition.

Orthodox women don’t need to be “liberated” because we are already “liberated” by the Holy Cross. The Serbs say “To the Venerable Cross and Golden Freedom!” and it doesn’t get any better than that.

Now my friend in Christ, there will be no debate, for I bow to your superior manly wisdom and opinion. Either take what is written, and what is not, it is your choice. You are certainly free to investigate the many Orthodox and Catholic websites that could probably more clearly and fully explain things, if you care to learn something. I’ve received feedback that people do and find interesting some things that I write, and it is my hope and prayer that I hurt no one.

God bless you and Christ be with you. I forgive you for your mockery, ignorance, disrespect, and lack of civility as evidenced by your pathetic ad hominum tendencies towards me, and I will pray that the Lord forgives you for you profanation of His most pure mother, the Virgin Mary and the Most Holy Mother of God, and of His ancient Churches, and the ordained clergy and monastics that you seem to despise.

So, as a staunch Scripturalist who has excommunicated the “Apostate Church” who is the entire Christian world it seems, except for yourself, don’t use the common everyday calendar because it has “pagan” written all over it, and it is from Anglo-Saxon usage. Also, don’t sit on your sofa either, unless it has a label that says it was made by a Christian. As for icons, well, that means “image”. I suggest you through out all of your photographic “icons” of your family, lest you mistake them for idols. And by all means, save your soul, and throw out your Japanese and Chinese made electronics, because most assuredly, they were made by either Buddhists, Shinto, Communists, or Taoists, and maybe a Confucian or two.

Air Talmud is grounded today, but jettisoned the anti-hijacking device ages ago.

KathJuliane, … Oh, SO true ! ~~ I would also add to that - … The Neck is what connects the Head to the Body… so without a Neck - The Head aint goin’ NOWHERE ! ! ~~~ A.K.A. - Behind every good man; is a good woman ! … Veritas !

The Zionists are leaving America for China. America will be turned into a liberal free for all nation completely devoid of God except for in the hearts of the few faithful. Israhell will be crushed by Iran and Russia without any international support, as written in the Battle of Gog and Magog.
I feel that the NWO is actually trying to fulfill the Bible Prophecies, they are even looking to build the third temple of Jerusalem probably from which the antichrist will rule from. Perhaps the antichrist is the NWO itself. Maybe they know something we don’t,my theory is maybe the Old Testament and the book of Genesis in particular was derived from the Seven Tablets of Creation from the ancient Sumerians, there is no scientific evidence of an ancient people living in Canaan. Maybe the Jews are actually the Hyksos Shepherd King tribe who gathered their Holy book from many other tribes. Whatever the case, I don’t believe that ‘Jews’ lived in Israel exclusively and only moved when enslaved by other tribes, Jews have always been moving and causing misery and destruction wherever they go. The British people are also of Hebrew origin, namely the tribe of Dan. The word “Brit-ish” literally translates to “Man of the Covenant” in Hebrew. The British have taken over 3/4s of the globe and they havent really left power but operate through Masons and Illuminati and befriended Zionist banksters. There is a lot of ’side stream’ sources to back up the theory. Perhaps humans were engineered and introduced on the Earth by Reptile like aliens from Planet Nibiru (planet X being tracked by NASA, thirteenth planet of our solar system) and our purpose here is to mine gold for them and wait for their return, maybe thats why the Rothschild and banksters hoard gold and give us paper, this is all stated by the Sumerians who left over 25,000 tablets and had extensive and impossible knowledge about the Universe and genetic stucture. These are theories based on knowledge and nothing more. The world is such an interesting place and I honestly cant wait to die and find out what happens. I live by the ten commandments but find religion to be a waste of time and life. The great scholar and maybe even Messenger said, “That man who pursues the path of knowledge, God will direct to Paradise; and verily the superiority of the learned man over the ignorant worshipper is like that of a full moon over all the stars.” or “The blood of a scholar is holier than that of a martyr”.
If that be the case than Brother Nathaniel can surely look forward to Paradise.

Thank you Nick,
my motto is “know everything, believe nothing” because when people believe, there will be argument and turmoil and then they turn their religions and religious figures into hypocritical soul powered machines.
I used to be Catholic and did the whole nine yards from baptism to confirmation, maybe that will redeem my soul from eternal damnation but if not, so be it. Jesus Christ is the supreme role model and Mohamed also gave us good instructions for living inspired by Jesus Christ. I adore and even envy all men in their journey of faith, but it is not for me, my quest is one of knowledge which probably will never be fulfilled and leave me with more questions than answers. Whatever happens, we all end up in the same place, whether it be eternal sleep and darkness, Heaven, Hell or reincarnation on a distant planet, hopefully if we meet we can have a good chat, or just a smile and wave as you go up and I go down (or vice verse) ;).
Cheers.

Are you open mind as free as you choosed your name for this forum?
If YES than please DO NOT GIVE UP on searching the TRUTH because it does EXIST, do not let yourself fooled by man made religion which but yet stick with the TRUTH which you have it in the ORTHODOX CHURCH.
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Free mind… : You speak of “knowledge”, & the “superiority of the learned man over the ignorant worshipper”, & that “the blood of a scholar is holier than.. a martyr”… ~~~~ You’re VERY close here, friend. Now you must ask yourself : knowledge of what ?… learned VS ignorant of what ?… Pay close attention to “ignorant worshipper” ! ~~~~ These words speak of knowledge of Our Saviour, & of the Learned Man of Christ, & of being a scholar of GOD - NOT SCIENCE ! ~~~~ Please - don’t be a fool… Christ IS the knowledge you speak of, & through Him - ALL becomes more clear… ~~~~ Good luck !