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Re: Shingeki no Kyojin 42 Spoilers Thread

-We saw Reiner's thoughts in 39. He was seriously worried about being killed by the titans, not worried about how he was going to hide or explain away his transforming into a titan to save himself. (If he was told that he cannot transform under any circumstances, he would have been thinking about that)
-The flashback from 20-22 where he, Bertholdt, and an unnamed 3rd party makes little to no sense if he a human/titan. Maybe it happened before he was transformed, but he watches his friend killed by a titan then decides to essentially kill off humanity by feeding them to the titans? Um, what?

Re: Shingeki no Kyojin 42 Spoilers Thread

What in the hell is a translation going to tell me that explains away his thoughts without introducing something even stupider (bouts of amnesia, multiple personalities, etc.)?

If Reiner knows he can turn into a titan, it is absolutely complete horseshit that it never crossed his mind while desperately fighting the titans in the tower.

If an author is going to show us a character's thoughts, they have to actually be the character's thoughts, otherwise the author is directly lying to the reader, and not even in the standard red herring, incomplete information, misleading sense. It is flat out lying.

Re: Shingeki no Kyojin 42 Spoilers Thread

Our Heroes are walking back to Trost, when Reiner tells Eren “I have to talk to you.” So Reiner, Bertholt, and Eren fall to the back of the line - although Mikasa is still right there and CLEARLY WITHIN EARSHOT - and then we get this:

Reiner (TOTALLY CASUAL ABOUT THIS HOLY FUCK): 俺達は五年前…壁を破壊して人類の攻撃を始めた。俺が鎧の巨人で、こいつが超大型巨人ってやつだWer’re the ones who destroyed the wall and began the attack on humanity five years ago. I’m the armored titan, and Bertholt is the one you call the colossal titan.

Eren: は…？何いってんだお前…Whu…? What are you saying…

Bertholt: な…何を言ってるんだライナーWh… What are you talking about, Reiner?!

Reiner: 俺達の目的は…この人類すべてに消えてもらうことだったんだ。だが…そうする必要はなくなった。エレン…お前が俺たちと一緒に来てくれるなら、俺達はもう壁を壊したりしなくていいんだ。わかるだろOur objective used to be the total elimination of humankind. But now we don’t have to do that anymore. Eren… If you’ll just come with us, then Bertholt and I won’t have to break the wall ever again.

Eren: は！？イヤ待て全然わかんねぇぞ！huh?! I have NO IDEA what you’re talking about!

Reiner: だから俺たちと一緒に来てくれって言ってんだよ。急な話ですまんが、今からだI’m asking you to come with us. I’m sorry to have to ask you so suddenly, but we have to go NOW.

Eren: 今から！？どこに行くんだよ？？Right now?! And where ARE you going anyway?!

Reiner: そりゃ言えん…だが…まぁ俺達の故郷ってやつだな。で、どうなんだよエレン。悪い話じゃないだろ？ひとまず危機が去るんだからなWelll… How to put this… Back to our home village. So how about it, Eren? It’s really not a bad offer, right? And at least we won’t have to deal with any more major crisises for the time being.

[Cut away for some Hanji and Armin, then…]

Eren: お前さぁ…疲れてんだよ。なぁベルトルト。こうなってもおかしくねぇくらい大変だったんだろYou… You must be tired. Right, Bertholt? You guys must’ve been through hell for even Reiner to end up this exhausted.

Eren: 大体なぁ～お前が人類を殺しまくった『鎧の巨人』なら、何でそんな相談を俺にしなくちゃなんねぇんだ。そんなこと言われてオレが『はい行きます』って頷くわけねぇだろ。And if you really were the armored titan who wants to erase all of humanity, why would you feel like you need to tell ME that? And did you really expect me to just say “Okay, let’s go!” after you tell me something like that and ask me to run away with you?

Reiner (UGLY CRYING): きっと…ここに長く居すぎてしまったんだが。バカな奴らに囲まれて…三年も暮らしたせいだ。俺達はガキで…何一つ知らなかったんだよ。こんな奴らがいるな んて知らずにいれば…俺は…こんな半端なクソ野郎にならずにすんだのに…もう俺には…何が正しいことなのかわからん…ただ…俺がすべきことは自分がした行 いや選択した結果に対し、戦士として最後まで責任を果たすことだIt must be… Because I’ve been here too long. Surrounded by those idiots… It’s because I lived with you all for three years. Bertholt and I used to be such stupid kids… We didn’t understand a single thing back then. We didn’t know that there were humans like you guys… I… I’m such a rotten half-assed villain… I don’t even know… what the right thing to do is anymore… I only know that… Despite the results of my actions and decisions so far, as a warrior I still have to fulfill my duties no matter what.

Thor and other gods travelled to the Castle of Utgard which is in the outskirt of Midgard the realm of Humans.
On the journey to it, they unknowingly fell asleep in the glove of the Titan Skryrim.
The Titan accompanies them but after a while tricks them of their food.
In rage, Thor tried to slay it but it magically shielded itself behind a mountain.

They had no choice but to continue starving.
Having reached Utgard, they are challenged by the Titan Utgard Loki who puts them into delusional trials they need to overcome.

None of the gods succeeds, but Loki was impressed by Thors strengths and stated that it's not the Castle but it was them from the very beginning
revealing himself as Skryrim, with the moment they began being under the delusion being when they went to sleep.

- Ymir is still alive, but in a comatose state. Because of that, they're heading back to the Trost district for medical treatment.

- It is made aware they didn't find any breach in the wall.

- Christa mentions her full name, and Hanji notes that the name sounds familiar. And so we get a little bit of info on Christa.

- Reiner reveals his and Bertholt's identity to Eren, and persuade him to come with them and go back to their "home village". Cue the dialogue.

- Reiner has a flashback of being suspected by the Scouting Legion.

- Unable to convince Eren, Reiner says "I don't know whether this is the right thing or not, but I know as a soldier, I need to finish my mission to the end", and tries to (what I presume) kidnap Eren and Ymir.

- Mikasa jumps in with the blades as soon as Reiner finishes his sentence. But because she's too soft, she stopped short of a fatal kill.

- Reiner transforms. Bertholt transforms.

- Then Eren transforms.

- Next chapter: 2 Titans vs 1 Titan. It shall be epic.

Reclaimer, you may put down the pitchfork.

-"In Nisekoi, there is no ship; just a submarine that goes up and down."

Re: Shingeki no Kyojin 42 Spoilers Thread

What in the hell is a translation going to tell me that explains away his thoughts without introducing something even stupider (bouts of amnesia, multiple personalities, etc.)?

If Reiner knows he can turn into a titan, it is absolutely complete horseshit that it never crossed his mind while desperately fighting the titans in the tower.

If an author is going to show us a character's thoughts, they have to actually be the character's thoughts, otherwise the author is directly lying to the reader, and not even in the standard red herring, incomplete information, misleading sense. It is flat out lying.

I have to agree at this I think you guys shouldn't shoot down the fact that Reiner for all his near death experiences, and he's certainly had his fair share, never particularly appeared to carry that air of confidence or attempt at lying low that Annie and Ymir always had. I never particularly saw Reiner or Bert as being top notch actors in any sense, Reiner especially, so its kinda left field for me to consider that Reiner had done a spectacular job hiding his true nature. He and Bert just blended in naturally quite well with the other recruits because he acted in the most banal way possible that I do find it hard to swallow this revelation that he and his friend have done such a spectacular job hiding their nature I'm not talking about the hints or anything that people theorized just the way these two have been written. Moreover, it does kinda confuse me to have that whole connection with Ymir (this one will take a heck of a lot of convincing writing to smooth out) since that part really just reinforced the way they had been written up to that point, as traumatized victims of titan attacks years back, rather than indifferent perpetrators. Incidentally, it also pushed the idea of them being involved in the siege years back because they appear to be the same age as when Eren and co were attacked in their district so it kinda confuses me to see that they somehow were involved in the siege, even more so that they somehow develop the resolve to go past their trauma (as they certainly appeared traumatized or bitter towards what appears to be Ymir's attack) and be titans themselves... Yeah I think the next couple of chapters will have to do ALOT of work to make things more plausible (I actually don't want a fight scene now as much as I want several long as well written explanations).

Edit:

Originally Posted by Beatrice

"Kihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihi, you are incompetent!"

Sorry just Beatrice talking out of me, never mind her.

"Kihihi-"

Shhhhh.

Where is she now by the way?

... Barring the first part of your post... Annie Sasha is currently or at least last seen evacuating what remained of her village and is currently rather far away from the objective of reaching the place where Historia was as her priority was helping with the evacuations.

Last edited by Knifeshade; February 12, 2013 at 04:03 PM.
Reason: Typo. c: