It's that weird little smirk he always has, no matter what he's saying or doing, that says "yes we all know I have no principles what-so-ever and I'm totally dishonest and disingenuous in everything I do, but what are you going to do about it?".

Outside chance he could be binned after conference, Christ what a day that will be.

It's that weird little smirk he always has, no matter what he's saying or doing, that says "yes we all know I have no principles what-so-ever and I'm totally dishonest and disingenuous in everything I do, but what are you going to do about it?".

Outside chance he could be binned after conference, Christ what a day that will be.

Having the gall to talk about racism when him and his mate Woolas ran a campaign so racist a court overturned it

It was clearly bollox from the start, so why did they spend years and millions of quid investigating it?

A cynic might say that it's convenient that this story has come out just as another possibly genuine VIP pedo ring is coming to light.

So discrediting the widely-believed (including by many on here) urban myth of a massive paedophile network in high places is a dastardly ruse to prevent the uncovering of a massive paedophile network in high places? As I say to my kids at times like this, Weeeeeeelllll....

So discrediting the widely-believed (including by many on here) urban myth of a massive paedophile network in high places is a dastardly ruse to prevent the uncovering of a massive paedophile network in high places? As I say to my kids at times like this, Weeeeeeelllll....

Well you have a point

But this was obviously nonsense from the start wasn't it? What took them so long?

You seriously think there could be no one capable of that king of thing purely because they were high up politically.

Anyone is, but the massive conspiracy doesn’t survive a moment’s thought. There were stories here about Ted Heath taking kids out a children’s home in Jersey to rape and murder them on his yacht. Perfectly plausible, except for the following: No missing kids No bodies found No witnesses - Morning Cloud needed a crew of 7

Occam’s razor - you have uncontrollable urges to molest children. Do you A Work your way through the universities, professions and high politics in the hope of accessing a secret network that can help you get away with your evil ambition Or B Get a job working with children?

I'm sceptical about the Jersey thing but that doesn't mean things didn't happen but I think the more extreme stuff (murder stuff) is less likely, in the 1960'#s who'd believe a kid was SA by high up politician if they were in a remand home or childrens home for instance.

Anyone is, but the massive conspiracy doesn’t survive a moment’s thought. There were stories here about Ted Heath taking kids out a children’s home in Jersey to rape and murder them on his yacht. Perfectly plausible, except for the following: No missing kids No bodies found No witnesses - Morning Cloud needed a crew of 7

Occam’s razor - you have uncontrollable urges to molest children. Do you A Work your way through the universities, professions and high politics in the hope of accessing a secret network that can help you get away with your evil ambition Or B Get a job working with children?

you're presuming they start with the goal of abusing minors. Do you think everyone who's been to one of Epstein's bunga bunga parties was born a nonce? Rich men do things that make them feel powerful because they can and they're beyond the law. the power dynamic is a major part of it.

and f*ck Tom Watson

“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.”

the paedofinder general who used mass public hysteria post-saville for his own personal and political ends to whip up some ridiculous conspiracy theories that either destroyed lives of the innocent or ruined reputations of the dead.

i was hoping for some kind of public apology from him but i wont hold my breath.

So discrediting the widely-believed (including by many on here) urban myth of a massive paedophile network in high places is a dastardly ruse to prevent the uncovering of a massive paedophile network in high places? As I say to my kids at times like this, Weeeeeeelllll....