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Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll

The people like you that would like the Confederate flag to stay are cause driven. You said that you were a bit worked about it because you grew up in the South. You tried to make a case for the Confederate flag based on your personal experiences with your neighbors. And made it clear that you think that anyone who disagrees is a moron. You my friend are cause driven.

Im good with not letting States fly screwy flags on Government grounds. It doesnt impede on the rights or liberties of individuals. A States government has no right to fly some lame ass flag. But you seem to think that if a bunch of cause driven ****heads in a State want to fly a CHe flag on the State capitol then it ok it was their decision. Screw that just disallow all flags except the official Federal, State, Local flags on public property. Then we wont ever have some silly ass flag flying on public property.

Obviously you are just blathering on without listening to anything I have said. I dont care if the good people of SC make the decision to remove the Confederate flag. They just shouldnt do it because a bunch of cause driven morons have had their strings pulled by a group of race baiting assholes.

Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by VanceMack

Obviously you are just blathering on without listening to anything I have said. I dont care if the good people of SC make the decision to remove the Confederate flag. They just shouldnt do it because a bunch of cause driven morons have had their strings pulled by a group of race baiting assholes.

And how would you know if thats why they decided to remove the flag? Are you magic?

Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

You've already answered, doctor, by refusing to answer, you believe yes, politically incorrect speech should be met with violence. You don't get to dictate when you refuse to do any heavy lifting yourself. Sorry charly.

So you are claiming you knew what happened before the video started but just won't tell us. You were the first to be challenged to explain what you knew and how you knew and tried to run away by asking the second question before answering the first. I've had a lot of experience on fora like this dealing with rightwingers like you who think they're clever and then stumble all over themselves trying to run away when they get caught up in the aburdity of their own making. Dime. A. Dozen.

Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Really:

Yet when each state left the Union, its leaders made clear that they were seceding because they were for slavery and against states’ rights. In its “Declaration of the Causes Which Impel the State of Texas to Secede From the Federal Union,” for example, the secession convention of Texas listed the states that had offended the delegates: “Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa.” Governments there had exercised states’ rights by passing laws that interfered with the federal government’s attempts to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act. Some no longer let slave owners “transit” across their territory with slaves. “States’ rights” were what Texas was seceding against. Texas also made clear what it was seceding for — white supremacy:

That above is what taints the flag.

That was interesting. I'd never quite thought of it that way before but it does make sense. The slave states tried to get the federal government to force the citizens of non slave states to protect southern slavery and to even actively hunt down runaway slaves in their areas and turn them over to slave bounty hunters and slave owners. So the non slave states started passing state anti-slave laws to protect their citizens from an unconstitutional law. This made the South angry and since they couldn't get the federal government to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, they chose to secede from the union instead, just to protect slavery and proving once again that the real cause of the Civil War was slavery.

Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by Moot

That was interesting. I'd never quite thought of it that way before but it does make sense. The slave states tried to get the federal government to force the citizens of non slave states to protect southern slavery and to even actively hunt down runaway slaves in their areas and turn them over to slave bounty hunters and slave owners. So the non slave states started passing state anti-slave laws to protect their citizens from an unconstitutional law. This made the South angry and since they couldn't get the federal government to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, they chose to secede from the union instead, just to protect slavery and proving once again that the real cause of the Civil War was slavery.

Yep. Yep.

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Re: Confederate Flag

Originally Posted by Moot

That was interesting. I'd never quite thought of it that way before but it does make sense. The slave states tried to get the federal government to force the citizens of non slave states to protect southern slavery and to even actively hunt down runaway slaves in their areas and turn them over to slave bounty hunters and slave owners. So the non slave states started passing state anti-slave laws to protect their citizens from an unconstitutional law. This made the South angry and since they couldn't get the federal government to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, they chose to secede from the union instead, just to protect slavery and proving once again that the real cause of the Civil War was slavery.

It also shows how when it came to "States Rights" the south spoke so loudly about, they were speaking out of both sides of their mouths.

They wanted States Rights for themselves, but didn't want the Northern States to have the same.

Re: Confederate Flag

This “Confederately correct” orthodoxy that the South fought for independence, not slavery, rankled a few southern realists, including the editors of the Richmond-based Southern Punch in 1864:

” ‘The people of the South,’ says a contemporary, ‘are not fighting for slavery but for independence.’ Let us look into this matter. It is an easy task, we think, to show up this new-fangled heresy — a heresy calculated to do us no good, for it cannot deceive foreign statesmen nor peoples, nor mislead any one here nor in Yankeeland. . .
Our doctrine is this: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED, and for the preservation of other institutions of which slavery is the groundwork.”

That theme ran thick in just about all the secessionist advocates speeches, documents, newspaper columns and sermons.

Well before the war. In the 1856 election, when the first Republican ran, the papers were talking about how the division (over slavery) was sure to come and how "the conservative South (soon) will burst forth in a carnival of blood..."- 1856.

They'd been banging the drums of secession and war if anything disturbed their precious little "peculiar institution" for quite a lot time...