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Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better,more often worse than those who walk on all fours, who,because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development"has become the most vicious animal of all..

Hail Satan

~ Beherit - Drawing Down the Moon

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Most men feel that living nature is just there for them to exploit. And those who make the most fuss over certain forms, or all forms, of exploitation of man by man are often the first to support the most thorough exploitation of animal-kind by man. We believe that, as long as this attitude prevails in the world, man will not cease to be, himself, just an animal among others; cleverer than the others as a rule, but in no way essentially different from them. He will never become the actually superior species which he could be if he only realized in which way lies his true line of progress.

~ Savitri Devi - The Impeachment of Man

Both recognise in their own way the current state of humanity in evolutionary limbo. that is to say, within the process of overcoming primitive intstincts and all current intelligence as an extension of those instincts, surpassing intelligence with spirit.

I thought the Beherit quote was interesting as an example of this viewpoint in development. Implying that one would first know power and death in the animal sense before realising and becoming a part of some higher order of life.

black metal is primarily youthful. all the best stuff came from young people, later albums sucked - because those bands lost that youthful vision, got older, got day jobs, married with two kids - all that shit.

crux of question: will this movement be forced to advance beyond it's inbuilt rebelious nature in order to truly evolve. i mean on the one hand it's at the point where it could have become the new classical/ambient (and many classical composers were writing great music till their dying days), yet its youthful angst (that wears off after the 2nd album) seems to keep the whole movement from getting anywhere.

Correct me if i'm wrong but it never really seemed to pick up in Germany. Sure there was the odd good band like Absurd or Moonblood? but there is little common ground between these bands and the establishment of a unique German style. of course there has been some great works come out of Norway and later Poland, France, Greece.. there are even a lot of interesting American bands. surely this must be a part of the German psyche too, unless some other reason?

what are your opinions of this band? i never hear them talked about which is odd as i think their two main recordings are pretty exceptional in terms of music which aims for intensity and extremity of expression. to me, their music is almost like an artifact to the overwhelming and destructive powers of a cold and uncaring world on the human mind. and the emotion is more of a result of mental illness than anything else; but in a mentally ill world it appears disturbingly honest.

"Mütiilation - Remains..." has some similar felings in it, which ultimately on the one hand i recognise as being pretty destructive in itself however i believe it demands a deep respect for its existence as an honest reaction to the 'all that is".

i was reading in that interview ildjarn that he favours a partly improvised approach when he created most of his black metal material. i think this is unique for the style of music, but in this he was truly able to express something emotionally deep at the core of his music despite its overall simplistic and single-minded approach. so my question is; do you think there is more potential for improvisation in this music. i think historically most metal is more or less 'scripted' and arranged, but with the increased influence of ambient and soundscape type approach in some of the more obscure black metal, i don't think the two would be unworkable.

remember lack of organised structure doesn't necessarily mean 'no structure' (ie jazz). the hindu raga music for example is centred in a way that the composer can utilise melody for the emotion of the moment, i know that's very different but i think there's some potential in this.