Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?

Atlantis MythDark Journalist interviewed Joseph Farrell last summer and Farrell starts out by explaining that the continent of Atlantis originally referred to a large mass in space that was lost in the ocean of space. This is the same interpretation of myths that Cardona, Talbott, Cochrane and others have come to previously as well. They have concluded that Atlantis was the Saturn configuration, which included also Venus and Mars. So here's the video, but it may not discuss much about myths after the first few moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-gYbUgoss.

Ancient Aliens Debunked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ17' Tiahuanaco 300-500AD C14 Dating - Unanswered question: seaport & ocean creatures at Lake Titicaca2h34' Sitchin had no credentials or evidence for knowing Sumerian or other languages2h49' Bible not derived from Sumerian Enuma Elish, but both derived from a common older source; same with all early cultures; the Flood account seems to be true

If you go back to the first posts of this thread, you'll see evidence that the cataclysm occurred under 5,000 years ago and that it laid down all of the sedimentary strata at once (over a few months' or years' time), so in the above video they're dating all of the strata wrong. They're nearly all under 5,000 years old.

Some more notes: These two videos deal with the Pleiades associated with the ancient cataclysms."The Nebra Sky Disc the Most Astounding Ancient Artifact Ever Discovered" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azSrG0GaiCI . It started with showing the Pleiades on the disc. The center star Maya is associated with May 1 (maiden etc), opposite Nov 1st. See Randall Carlson. Score = 20 = mark, 9x20=180x2=1yr 20x39=780=MarsYr ?+VenusYr

The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibirunew.pdf[Final paragraph:] Hopefully the reader is getting a hint of two things: (1) That Sitchin’s teachings are false; (2) that there seems to be warrant for the single scholarly article I referenced in the introduction that postulated Nibiru might be the pole star which has changed position in the sky. [Same as the Saturn Theory.]

Flood Storieshttp://www.crystalinks.com/floodstories.htmlMongolia: Hailibu, a kind and generous hunter, saved a white snake from a crane which attacked it. Next day, he met the same snake with a retinue of other snakes. The snake told him that she was the Dragon King's daughter, and the Dragon King wished to reward him. She advised Hailibu to ask for the precious stone that the Dragon King keeps in his mouth. With that stone, she told him, he could understand the language of animals, but he would turn to stone if he ever divulged its secret to anyone else. Hailibu went to the Dragon King, turned down his many other treasures, and was given the stone. Years later, Hailibu heard some birds saying that the next day the mountains would erupt and flood the land. He went back home to warn his neighbors, but they didn't believe him. To convince them, he told them how he had learned of the coming flood and told them the full story of the precious stone. When he finished his story, he turned to stone. The villagers, seeing this happen, fled. It rained all the next night, and the mountains erupted, belching forth a great flood of water. When the people returned, they found the stone which Hailibu had turned into and placed it at the top of the mountain. For generations, they have offered sacrifices to the stone in honor of Hailibu's sacrifice. [Elder & Wong, pp. 75-77]

Vid: Proof Advanced Ancient Civilizations Possessed Super Hard Stone Cutting Technologyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYEGM7L3EIoI haven't looked at that video yet, but in the video, Ancient Aliens Debunked at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ , it is shown that copper "saws" without teeth can cut granite simply by putting sand in the cutting groove. Maybe in that same video they showed that some simple substances, maybe acids etc, can make copper as hard as steel. So the chisels that were used were hardened in this way, and apparently the saws would have been as well.

In my first mention of this Ancient Aliens Debunked video about two weeks ago above, I noted that Tiahuanaco was dated less than 2,000 years old. That seems to be incorrect, unless parts of that area are older than others. I believe there is a large ancient ship port built on Lake Titicaca. It would have been built when the lake was at sea level, thousands of feet lower than now. The mountains were likely uplifted some 4,000 years ago during the Shock Dynamics event as described at http://NewGeology.us , which also caused rapid continental drift. The Great Flood probably occurred a bit earlier. Tiahuanaco is said to show evidence of flooding, so the entire area may be dated wrong.

The Cyclic Catastrophism and Big Bang, Little Bang are articles by John Ackerman, a satellite scientist. His theory is an offshoot of Velikovsky's catastrophist model. John says Venus formed from Jupiter 6,000 BP from an impact. Very interesting article/s.

The 1300 room Palace of Knossos on Crete, conventionally dated from 1900 BCE to 1100 BCE, had quite an impressive water management system.

The palace had at least three separate water-management systems: one for supply, one for drainage of runoff, and one for drainage of waste water.

Aqueducts brought fresh water to Kephala hill from springs at Archanes, about 10 km away. Springs there are the source of the Kairatos river, in the valley in which Kephala is located. The aqueduct branched to the palace and to the town. Water was distributed at the palace by gravity feed through terracotta pipes to fountains and spigots. The pipes were tapered at one end to make a pressure fit, with rope for sealing. No hidden springs have been discovered as at Mycenae.

Sanitation drainage was through a closed system leading to a sewer apart from the hill. The queen's megaron contained an example of the first water-flushing system latrine adjoining the bathroom. This toilet was a seat over a drain that was flushed by pouring water from a jug. The bathtub located in the adjoining bathroom similarly had to be filled by someone heating, carrying, and pouring water, and must have been drained by overturning into a floor drain or by bailing. This toilet and bathtub were exceptional structures within the 1,300-room complex.

As the hill was periodically drenched by torrential rains, a runoff system was a necessity. It began with channels in the flat surfaces, which were zigzag and contained catchment basins to control the water velocity. Probably the upper system was open. Manholes provided access to parts that were covered.

Some links to photographs of parts of the water-collection-management system follow.

Runoff system.[33] Sloped channels lead from a catchment basin.Runoff system.[34] Note the zig-zags and the catchment basin.

nick c says, "...at least three separate water-management systems: one for supply, one for drainage of runoff, and one for drainage of waste water."

Waste water, even better! (:

I am reading through the seasonal dig reports on Thera, beginning with the first one in 1968. It is wonderful. So far it is all quite domestic, featuring beautiful two story houses with flower pots on the windowsills (all buried in ash). There appears to be wastewater, like the toilets and water tanks that are in the homes in Harrappa. Dates for Thera range from 1700 BC to 1500 BC.

Other exciting developments in domestic plumbing from the pre-classical world is in Anatolia, and a city called Jawa -- but I have not gotten to that book quite yet. I need a secretary. And a cook (:

“Oh for shame, how these mortals put the blame upon us gods, for they say evils come from us, when it is they rather who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given…”~Homer