(This fundie is talking about Britain First, an extreme far-right group of Islamophobes. The members of Britain First are usually drunk bigoted racist football fans)

As far as I can see these are the only poeple who realise what's going on and are prepared to show that our values will not go without a Fight these liberal left just close their eyes until it's too late and then we all go down the river , one day these poeple will be thanked for their efforts to keep the poeple of this country safe.

At the instant of fertilization, your baby's genes and sex are set. If the sperm has a Y chromosome, your baby will be a boy. If it has an X chromosome, the baby will be a girl. what make you who you are your genes and dna determine your life yes or know whether your human whether you're an animal a boy girl etc right if its not dna or genes what determines if you are human answer the question nazis

what's next ,the gov taking your kids away for teaching biblical truth ?public education already has that attitude,that they are responsible for training up our kids,and we are encouraging and empowering them by sending our kids to them. Scripture warns directly and indirectly against it but many refuse to heed its warning and authority even while seeing its effects unfolding before our eyes.

[=Context and Authors Note: This is regarding a social worker Felix Ngole behing fired from a University for posts regarding gay marriage. The following conversation also has other fundie qoutes, is trimmed save for the most stand outish and relevant ones.=]

Martin: Christians cannot trust judges to act in a fair way toward them. We’ve seen a number of judgements like this that demonstrate the bigotry of the judiciary. It is perfectly OK, apparently, for social workers to apply their beliefs as long as they coincide with this judges beliefs.

Perfect Love casts out fear: you don't speak for Christians, Martin, you only speak for conservative evangelicals - a tiny proportion of those who hold the title of Christian. It is you who demonstrates bigotry in this case, not the judge. How could this man ever be a social worker when he holds and proclaims views that gay people are not entitled to equality??

Snoring: No most Christians think same sex sexual relationships are a sin I used to think it wasn't a sin until May. Then Jesu audiably told me it is a sin and marriage is only for one man and one woman. Same sex attracted people need to serve the Lord and be celebrated is also what Jesus told me as per Paul's teachings. Christians trust God not man.

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Sandi Luckins: Because he recognizes that there is something much more important to the homosexual - a relationship with Jesus. And, just because we care to see them in a relationship with Jesus, does not mean that we don't want them working, etc. We just want to see them on their way to Heaven.
2 Peter 2:18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves[h] of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. As far as equality, we are trying to make them equal with us - forgiven.

Perfect Love casts out fear: get over yourself, Sandi. Homosexuals don't have the monopoly on sensual passions of the flesh and heterosexuals don't have the monopoly on forgiveness. We are already all equal in the sight of God.

Mark Jones: OK, so when scripture is brought into play, the best you have is “get over yourself”? Let me ask you one question, can you show me just one verse in the Bible that affirms the LGBT lifestyle? But, the verse you choose cannot contradict scripture elsewhere.

Sandi Luckins: thank you :)

Perfect Love casts out fear: we aren't discussing "lifestyle" here, we are discussing one man's right (or not) to discriminate about another's sexuality whilst claiming to be a fit person to work as a social worker, where his views will almost certainly cause uncomfortable situations in his chosen career. How could he make the necessary compromises to his beliefs if he were to be assigned as a case worker to a gay couple with children, for example? He couldn't and wouldn't. I actually do believe that conservative Christians should have the right to refuse to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding or let their B&B to a gay couple - I have no problem with that - it should be their choice with whom they do business. Social work is a different beast - it is about people, not business - and there is no room for discrimination.

Mark Jones: Actually we are discussing lifestyle here. See Ngole raised that he stands by a Biblical worldview, something that any true Christian should do. And was kicked off his course for the acquiescing to the demands of the minority but popular culture. Having a different opinion is not discrimination, however being removed from a course of a study because of religious beliefs is discrimination, and religion is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. So it is actually Ngole who has suffered discrimination here. But that reality will be missed because he is a Christian and the subject is the LGBT lifestyle.

Perfect Love casts out fear: it isn't a religious belief - it is a personal belief. I am a Christian and I don't hold the belief that one can criticise another for their born sexuality.

Mark Jones: Actually in terms of the legalities it is a religious belief. And you may believe what you choose to believe, that doesn’t mean it’s Biblical, right, or even true.

Perfect Love casts out Fear: that goes for Martin and Sandi as well as me.

Mark Jones: It does yes, however they are on the right side of God here ... you, are not.

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Joan Martin: And many homosexuals who remain celebate will experience Heaven

Sandi Luckins: No. They will be Christians plagued by the sin of s/s attraction. Christians do not identify themselves as sin. What a slap in the face to Christ. See my next comment to you, please.

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Mark Jones: Sorry, but Ngole actually held to Biblical beliefs. As is Martin here, so if we’re bigoted that means God’s word is bigoted. Is that what your saying “perfect love casts out fear?”

Perfect Love casts out fear: I'm a God believing Christian who does not accept the inerrancy of the Bible. I am guided primarily by the prompting of the Holy Spirit in my life rather than documents written 2000 years ago in a different society and context and translated (often badly) by mere humans. As has been said many times on Disqus, subjects such as slavery, polygamy and male domination are treated as normal and acceptable in the Bible passages but are now considered out of time and context by Christians and non-Christians alike. Yes, God's Word is perfect and unchanging - just be careful, though, that you are listening to that Word and not the "words" of flawed human beings.

Mark Jones: If you don’t accept inerrancy then you’re really not a God believing Christian. Because the Bible which is breathed out by the Holy Spirit (the one you claim guides you) states such, quite clearly. But to clarify polygamy is never condoned in scripture, it is recorded ... because the Bible records history. I listen to God, not people, this clearly is not the case for you in reality.

Perfect Love casts out Fear: polygamy isn't condemned in scriptrure - not anywhere. Hence,by definition, it is condoned. I accept God's inerrancy but not men's and definitely not yours.

Mark Jones: Actually we’re told in scripture that marriage is to between one man and one woman, therefor polygamy is not condoned as it does meet the terms God lays out for marriage in scripture. And just to correct you, you don’t accept God's inerrancy, because God’s inerrancy is His word. So if you don’t trust the Bible you don’t trust God. Therefore you are not a true believer.

I'm not a Jew; so I'm ok to eat pork!
It certainly does come down to Biblical interpretation. Through a proper understanding of the Bible we get a picture of who God is; above all He is Holy, Holy, Holy.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is one of the clearest verses in the Bible in regards to this issue...
'9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.'
The Christian has been washed clean. They are a new creation. So it is not possible for a true believer to continue in a homosexual relationship if they have been washed clean. Im not saying that desire or attraction goes away, but to blatantly continue in sinful behaviour is not sanctified behaviour. Same sex relationships have no place in the Kingdom of God. (Not my words, but God's)

Heather Fleming: Social workers will obviously have to avoid certain topics. As a 'devout Christian' who speaks his mind and his faith in the Bible (it seems), he is better off pursuing another line of work. May God direct him to it, and remind him that he should be as clever as a serpent and as harmless as a dove. Jesus showed these characteristics. He also risked His life, because his values were incompatible with the politically correct authorities of His day.
Le plus ca change, le plus c'est la memme chose.

Mark Jones: While in one sense you’re right Heather, this kind of response is troubling as at some point a Christian will not be able to work at all outside of the Christian bubble. Because being a Christian will end up being lawful discrimination.

Following the statement of the job center there are already in Leipzig alone 700 asylees that are entitled to benefits (!) in the target group of OB Jung. Mind you that for Jung it's not about special schools or classes - he wants to open the primary education to those gold pieces. That's how it could become possible that the 22-year old Mohammed could become a Hort child, the 19-year old Mustafa could be happy about a transfer to the fourth grade, the 18-year old Achmed has to be excluded from walking day, because he wanted to flog drugs to his 11-year old class comrades. Of course it's inprobable that this clientele bows itself for school plight. OB Jung should know this. Although the demand of Jungs would be perfect from a drug dealer's standpoint. Ecstasy instead of bread during breaks.

That’s a LOT of drek to say “I don’t need god to be a good person” Which completely belies and ignores the philosophy of why that statement is hubris. Without God there is no good because “good” is then subjective.

I’m a non-religious theist who always treats others the way I want them to treat me. I look with pity upon those who profess to be atheists...they walk always in darkness.

If there wasn’t [Something], then how I ask can there be anything at all!? “Just give us one miracle and we will explain all the rest” say those who hold that the universe and ourselves amount to nothing but an accident.

The self-serving judiciary is the problem. It continuously overrules the will of the citizens ultimately creating an environment of moral apathy. And its primary target was/is the family facilitating the killing of nascent life and the destruction of marriage.

Poofters in sin arise
And put your armor on
Strong in the strength that Hell provides
To those unknown above
Strong in the Prince of the Air
And in his deceptions
Who in the strength of themselves do trust
Will failing strength must fall

Stand then in thos great sin
With pride your watchword
And take to arm you for the fight
Political correctness
That having all grace resisted
And all your opportunities passed
Ye will face horrors you now deny
And stand under judgment at last

Leave no unguarded place
No place for grace to find
Celebrate every perversion, every vice
And deny your only hope
From pride to pride go on
Resist those who pray for you
Tread down all that seeks to call you back
And have your way at last

The left is insane. They plan to control thinking through the language. It eventually works. They repeat over and over again, and it affects our minds. That’s why they glory in saying “her wife” and “his husband” and “he’s pregnant”. Here’s a little French language of my own: “Hey, $hitface leftists! Shut the f*ck up! No one likes you!”

I've always wanted to adopt children that others don't want. I don't know if I'll ever be able to, but I've always enjoyed volunteering in children's church and with youth. The questions they ask, their prayer requests and God's faithfulness to them even when they're older is so beautiful to me. I remember ministering to someone a few years ago who told me they'd never been to church, not even as a child. Mind you, we are the church, but still. I realized at that time that so many people are desperate for the Savior and haven't been formerly taught about/of Him. It broke my heart.

Lady Checkmate's headline: "The Wisdom of the World is Foolishness to God"

There is NO earthly knowledge that undos what God has done nor that can sufficiently explain ALL that God has done. He IS the Ancient of Days and His Word is true forever. Never trust the limited knowledge and understanding of men nor women (the created) when Almighty God's (the Creator) understanding is unsearchable and His knowledge immeasurable.

Pray, seek God, study His word and ask for understanding, spiritual understanding, so that you may know what is truth and NEVER sell the truth for a lie. Selah.

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Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

We've all noticed the world's promotion of what God calls an abomination. It grieves the spirit of righteous men today, just as it grieved the spirit of righteous men like Lot years ago. I came across two very foolish men (celebrities nonetheless) who reminded me of the depraved men who attempted to attack the two angels that visited Lot and even tried to attack Lot when he refused to send the angels out to them. Watch and pray.

Versace quote:

"“In life, you must f--k everything. You must do the dog, and the cat, and the boy, and the girl," Sorbo quoted Versace as saying."

That is truly how the alt-left thinks...complete and total sexual immorality and depravity. The man promoted bestiality, child-rape and clearly lacked human decency.

Tom Ford Quote:

"He believes all men should be penetrated at least once: 'It would help them understand women'"

Foolishness. There is no benefit to a man "understanding women", by committing abominations. To understand a woman talk to her and listen to her when she talks to you. Pray and seek God. A man who truly wants a "wife", not someone who wants to whoremonger, but a man who wants a lasting, meaningful marriage really only needs to understand one woman intimately, his wife. No one needs to engage in anything God condemned to understand what God designed, a husband and wife marriage covenant. Again, The Wisdom of the World is Foolishness to God.

Tracy sorry but again you are deceived...there is no scientific proof anyone is born gay ....and many people have come out of the gay lifestyle. No it is not normal and no matter how many people yell and say it is makes it true...its isn't and our bodies physiology tell us it isn't.
Have you read Romans 1? Of course what we do with our bodies concerns God!! He knows what is best for us and created us for one man one woman relationship in marriage.Redefining it so we can gratify our lust doesn't make it suddenly become ok! The gay lifestyle is very rarely monogamous and ends in disease and death as does promiscuity between heterosexuals....Gods way works...ours doesn't and no amount of twisting Scripture will change Gods mind on the matter. Christians do not hate but they DO disagree but these days that = hate...again a lie.....Truth wins though tracy...Hes called Jesus and He is Holy which is why He died ...so we could be too.Homosexuality is not holiness,it is rebellion and self love! :(

BAND THE MURDER OF BABIES FIRST..... then BAND yourselves as being worthless both dimOrats and rinos. EVIL is what ALL murder is.... The MAN that did this in Vegas was as EVIL as ALL of those who SIT in seats WE the PEOPLE pay for and allow the WHOLESALE MURDER OF BABIES! 10,000 times more DIE in the WOMB than did Vegas! EACH DEATH of the innocent is so wrong. Deaths at the hands of others is EVIL with the signature of satan on each.
A COME to JESUS MOMENT is what is needed NOT stupid votes my idiots in suits!

THIS IS A BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD and EVIL....period! YAP all you want but GETTING on YOUR KNEES seeking REDEMPTION is what is needed today for this Nation!
GUNS can't FIRE with out the HAND of man...! BABIES can't DIE without the hands of MAN. Satan's job is to DECEIVE and to KILL and DESTROY. NOW call all who do this EVIL just one of satan's minions! THAT IS TRUTH!
GOD forgive such pompous ignorance....amen