What about Sean Taylor? Now don't burn me but think about it he was on his way to be the Best Safety up there with Reed and Polamalu but he was Murderd. What about HIM?

Really? He was in the NFL for just four years. It's absolutely ridiculous to even mention his name in this discussion. It's unfortunate he was killed, but four years doesn't make a Hall of Famer no matter what the circumstances.

If he wins a Super Bowl in the next two years (the Bengals window from what I see) then I see no reason why he couldn't squeeze in or simply if he plays four to five more years. He's far and away the best receiver in franchise history.

With those numbers, only 4 seasons more (which should be manageable), he would rank 10th* in NFL history for receptions, 14th* in receiving Tds, and 11th* in receiving yards.

I added the * to account for the fact that Randy Moss, Tory Holt, and others are still compiling numbers. Some may see that four year idea as optimistic and surely some could see it as pessimistic, either way it's a bunch of "what if's" which isn't typically the conversation I like to have. Still, Chad's a strong player to this day who may be more productive this year than last with a more complete cast around him. Maybe he was never the best receiver in the league, nor was he ever the most spectacular or physically imposing, but for years Chad's been productive, he's put together a tremendous career resume, and he may very well be a Hall of Fame player. He's not a first ballot HoFer but he's surely left his print on the game (as evidenced by celebration sanctions) while compiling terrific career numbers. He'll likely finish among the top 15 receivers all time in yards and receptions, while shattering franchise records, so.. what the hell... by the end of his career I think we could be looking at a 75% he makes the Hall.

I don't think Marvin Harrison will make it in, especially with the way his career ended. Of the wide receivers I think that will make it in, there should only be two: Randy Moss and Terrell Owens.

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Manning and Harrison's are the "Mr. Septembers" of football. I don't think there has been a WR as consistently terrible in the playoffs than Marvin Harrison.

People always ***** about rings affecting perception, especially in a sport as team-oriented as football. It's not the rings, necessarily, that are so important as much as your performance in postseason games. It's why Lynn Swann is in the HoF. Great team or not, that man made the Superbowl his *****. He's one of the best "big game" WRs in history.

Kellen Winslow Sr., Shannon Sharpe, and Tony Gonzales have pretty much set the benchmark for the "WR who lines up next to the tackle" position.

I don't know abotu Winslow Sr or Sharpe, some of the older guys can probably tell me on that, but Tony was also a very willing and good blocker. Its good to see nowadays the TE's like Witten and Miller who can do both block and catch and do it well. Does that factor in you think?

that gives him 151 career sacks. he is actually a bit underrated against the run, he is not putrid against the run. He is a fumble forcing machine and gets a few safeties thanks Dan O.

that would get him in in like umm 4-5 tries i think

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What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

Manning and Harrison's are the "Mr. Septembers" of football. I don't think there has been a WR as consistently terrible in the playoffs than Marvin Harrison.

People always ***** about rings affecting perception, especially in a sport as team-oriented as football. It's not the rings, necessarily, that are so important as much as your performance in postseason games. It's why Lynn Swann is in the HoF. Great team or not, that man made the Superbowl his *****. He's one of the best "big game" WRs in history.

Lynn Swann had 1 big game - Super Bowl X. That hardly makes him one of the best big game wide receivers in history. Otherwise, I guess I can say that Timmie Smith is one of the greatest big game running backs of all time, because he destroyed the Broncos in the Superbowl and did virtually nothing else in his career. Swann's in the Hall of Fame because he was THE media darling and he shouldn't be in Canton.

As for Marvin Harrison... he is a first ballot hall of famer. If not, they should just stop doing the Hall of Fame.

1,102 career receptions for 14,580 yards and 128 TDs from a 6' 185lb wide receiver. It's not like he was a giant or insanely fast like some guys... he was just very, very good at what he did. 8 straight 1,000+ yard seasons and 4 straight with 1,400+ yards and at least 100 catches.

As for his alleged character issues... Lawrence Taylor is one of the all time pieces of **** and he's a Hall of Famer and no one would ever think of not including him in it. Ray Lewis may or may not have been a major player in a double murder. He's a no doubt, 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, and Marvin Harrison should all end up in Canton

Marvin Harrison is a piece of **** and an enormous *****. You'll excuse me if I don't give him all the credit for his stalwart 5-59 performance in the Super Bowl. Owens' 9-122 game in a loss on a broken leg carries more weight.

Marvin Harrison is a piece of **** and an enormous *****. You'll excuse me if I don't give him all the credit for his stalwart 5-59 performance in the Super Bowl. Owens' 9-122 game in a loss on a broken leg carries more weight.

Marvin Harrison is a piece of **** and an enormous *****. You'll excuse me if I don't give him all the credit for his stalwart 5-59 performance in the Super Bowl. Owens' 9-122 game in a loss on a broken leg carries more weight.

I don't like Harrison either. I've heard stories that paint him as a giant piece of ****, but his accomplishments in the NFL are undeniable

No. I'm just saying that the rings argument for a receiver is absurd and that it certainly wasn't Owens' fault that the Eagles lost to the Patriots. Judging a wide receiver, i.e a player who touches the ball 4-8 times per game, on rings is ******* moronic.

No. I'm just saying that the rings argument for a receiver is absurd and that it certainly wasn't Owens' fault that the Eagles lost to the Patriots. Judging a wide receiver, i.e a player who touches the ball 4-8 times per game, on rings is ******* moronic.

Because that's what I said and Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino too.

Statistically, those guys are competitive with Moss and Owens AND have a ring.

umm wait a seconddd

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What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.