so... science, human knowledge, passion, drive, education, etc for actually getting the job done... and 'god' for providing him a coping mechanism. that sounds about right. pretty sure the pope didn't have a damn thing to do with his recovery. hope they aren't going to try to claim this as one of the bogus 'miracles' like they've done in the past.

Sofa King Smart:so... science, human knowledge, passion, drive, education, etc for actually getting the job done... and 'god' for providing him a coping mechanism. that sounds about right. pretty sure the pope didn't have a damn thing to do with his recovery. hope they aren't going to try to claim this as one of the bogus 'miracles' like they've done in the past.

Not that you really care about being right, but given that he and his family all state it was medical science and are not claiming they prayed to anyone, it would be a real departure from how they decide these things in modern times. The Church has a pretty rigorous review of these things, employing outside medical specialists who have no connection to the Church and often aren't even Catholic to review medical records and the vast, vast majority of claimed miracles submitted to the Church every year are determined to have scientific explanations.

I'm impressed. He credits his faith with being a source of comfort and helping him to cope with it, but still gives credit to medical science and his doctors for the physical healing. What an amazing young man.

Last I checked a placebo was an ineffectual or simulated medical treatment. Also last I checked wish foundations provided positive life experiences for children (and teens) suffering from serious and terminal illness. I don't recall ever hearing anyone claim granting a wish was a medical treatment. There was no placebo here.

The kid had cancer, the kid was depressed. His wish to the foundation was to meet the Pope, he got to do that, it made him feel better. WTF is wrong with anyone who has a problem with any of that? The kid didn't credit the Pope with his recovery, he credited the doctors and the treatments. He credited the granted wish and the community of people praying for him with helping his morale and helping him get through the whole ordeal from a mental/emotional/spiritual point of view. If you have a problem with that you're sick.

Highroller48:Good for him. Just too bad he didn't meet the "good" pope.

NICE! I came here to say this-- glad someone else already did.

Son of Thunder:Is there hope for Fark? Or am I just too early in the thread?

I think it is specific to this circumstance. Here's a kid who is devoutly religious, but he understands that medical science is what cured him. It doesn't shake his faith any because for him, god was in the personal struggle he endured. God was the reason he was able to fight this and not give up hope. God was the source of his strength, and he believes without that faith he wouldn't have fared as well. And as an atheist I am not bothered in the least by that type of sentiment. I think he'll make an excellent priest one day and I wish there would be more like him.

neversubmit:vudukungfu: Well, one thing is for sure.He's definitely Bi.

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I worked with a waitress once that announced to me that she used to be gay.I told her, Honey, if you're tying dick out for the first time, you're bi.You been munching rug all your life and now you want to experiment with the cawk?If you are suddenly getting enjoyment from men, and I mean "O"reos. and not just free food.You're bi now. You now why?Because If I went down on a guy, no guy would ever call me straight again, and you, sister, do not get a free pass just because you have a smoking hot body and suddenly have a hankering to get all churched up.

Of course, she burst into tears and got a boyfriend overnight, at teh bar, and attempted to convince him to beat me up for calling her "a slut" but this is a small town, and he knew what was up and just wanted a piece of that seldom tapped ass. So he promised to beat me up, banged her like a rag doll, and left her place, and bought me a beer at closing time.

vudukungfu:neversubmit: vudukungfu: Well, one thing is for sure.He's definitely Bi.

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I worked with a waitress once that announced to me that she used to be gay.I told her, Honey, if you're tying dick out for the first time, you're bi.You been munching rug all your life and now you want to experiment with the cawk?If you are suddenly getting enjoyment from men, and I mean "O"reos. and not just free food.You're bi now. You now why?Because If I went down on a guy, no guy would ever call me straight again, and you, sister, do not get a free pass just because you have a smoking hot body and suddenly have a hankering to get all churched up.

Of course, she burst into tears and got a boyfriend overnight, at teh bar, and attempted to convince him to beat me up for calling her "a slut" but this is a small town, and he knew what was up and just wanted a piece of that seldom tapped ass. So he promised to beat me up, banged her like a rag doll, and left her place, and bought me a beer at closing time.

But yeah, he's farking bi, now.

You are so far over my head I don't even.. Some how I must a got dumber today. Are you saying he is bisexual and where did you get info from because I read the article (don't ban me Drew) twice and I didn't see anything about his sexuality.

"To be, or not to be: that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them: to die, to sleep no more; and by a sleep, to say we end the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep; to sleep, perchance to dream; aye, there's the rub, for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause."

Nabb1:Sofa King Smart: so... science, human knowledge, passion, drive, education, etc for actually getting the job done... and 'god' for providing him a coping mechanism. that sounds about right. pretty sure the pope didn't have a damn thing to do with his recovery. hope they aren't going to try to claim this as one of the bogus 'miracles' like they've done in the past.

Not that you really care about being right, but given that he and his family all state it was medical science and are not claiming they prayed to anyone, it would be a real departure from how they decide these things in modern times. The Church has a pretty rigorous review of these things, employing outside medical specialists who have no connection to the Church and often aren't even Catholic to review medical records and the vast, vast majority of claimed miracles submitted to the Church every year are determined to have scientific explanations.

not that you care either... but there are no miracles (except the ones who sang backup for Smokey Robinson)... none.. no magic... no godly interventions... nothing... don't exist... and any of them that have been classified by the church as 'miracles' are in fact, bogus. For example, the nonsense they pushed through for the beatification of John Paul... yeah... he gets credit for miracles AFTER HIS DEATH because someone allegedly prayed to him for intercession... and although we don't have any actual facts about the french nun's actual diagnosis and or recovery... it was a miracle and it was because of the ghost of John Paul... complete and utter nonsense and I fee bad for anyone who has to perform the kind of mental gymnastics necessary for this crap to make sense.

Fizpez:Ah here we go... I knew it was way too early in the thread to be pleasantly surprised by the tone of the discussion.

OK everybody, shhhh... It's disrespectful to make people think more deeply about the implications of their belief systems. You know this, we've been over it a thousand times. Civility is always more important than truth.

Sofa King Smart:Nabb1: Sofa King Smart: so... science, human knowledge, passion, drive, education, etc for actually getting the job done... and 'god' for providing him a coping mechanism. that sounds about right. pretty sure the pope didn't have a damn thing to do with his recovery. hope they aren't going to try to claim this as one of the bogus 'miracles' like they've done in the past.

Not that you really care about being right, but given that he and his family all state it was medical science and are not claiming they prayed to anyone, it would be a real departure from how they decide these things in modern times. The Church has a pretty rigorous review of these things, employing outside medical specialists who have no connection to the Church and often aren't even Catholic to review medical records and the vast, vast majority of claimed miracles submitted to the Church every year are determined to have scientific explanations.

not that you care either... but there are no miracles (except the ones who sang backup for Smokey Robinson)... none.. no magic... no godly interventions... nothing... don't exist... and any of them that have been classified by the church as 'miracles' are in fact, bogus. For example, the nonsense they pushed through for the beatification of John Paul... yeah... he gets credit for miracles AFTER HIS DEATH because someone allegedly prayed to him for intercession... and although we don't have any actual facts about the french nun's actual diagnosis and or recovery... it was a miracle and it was because of the ghost of John Paul... complete and utter nonsense and I fee bad for anyone who has to perform the kind of mental gymnastics necessary for this crap to make sense.

For someone who calls themselves smart in their moniker you sure suck at reading comprehension. No one said a damn thing about claiming miracles in the article, you're the one who brought that up, and Nabb was mentioning that the Catholic Church is famously skeptical about them as well. Unless it can be shown through documentation, proper medical diagnosis, and review from independent medical practitioners, that there is no known medical explanation, then the Church won't even entertain the idea of a miracle. Whatever farking axe you have to grind has nothing to do with this article. You don't have to believe the Church's explanation of miracles, and frankly if you aren't part of the Church no one expects you to. I feel bad for you that you feel so compelled to be belligerent about the beliefs of others when they have nothing to do with you and what you believe.