Talk:Main Page

So... is this an etherchan recreation, or are we forging a brave new history, based on not thinking but feeling? Darkpa 06:30, 7 October 2007 (PDT)

We can recreate eterchan while forging a brave new history, based on not thinking but feeling! Basically let#s blantanly copy over all the things one might have liked and then just go into any random direction from there, I'd say. --Halcy 06:32, 7 October 2007 (PDT)

I sure hope it's like all the retarded shit from etherchan, and none of the formalist bullshit from wikichan. Hurr I need to get on IRC. --Turippufaggu 06:33, 7 October 2007 (PDT) (also the "edit" link needs to change into "rape".)

Because we are JUST THAT COOL we can have formalist formalisms on some wiki pages, and none of that on others! Isn't the internet a grand place? :O

Well, I'd like to have a sort of kopipe archive thing and a sort of DQN music list of lyrics et cetera thing which should be rather sane, but other than that... --Halcy 06:37, 7 October 2007 (PDT)

Yes, and the Haruhi fetish, and and and. More fun, less boring. Also hopefully fewer revert wars, and better (read: any) backups, and less web host database freakouts. --Turippufaggu 06:41, 7 October 2007 (PDT) (I mean it about the backups. Do eeeeet.)

Well, basically: Whatever user peoples do here is where this site will go. As for the backups, I'll see to that eventually (As soon as there is something worth backing up, meh.)

Maybe we can create some tables for something like featured articles or whatever? --VIPPER 14:45, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

This is much worse than what we had before. The only resolution it works in is 1440*900, anything smaller makes the featured images boxes bleed over, and anything bigger has too much whitespace. I like the idea, but you definitely at least have to fix the featured image boxes.--Maid 12:50, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

aaaaaa just because you _can_ stack boxes into each other does not mean you _should_ :T three levels deep no less, which makes me wonder... Yes, one can. --> Recursion --Halcy 13:48, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

Is the alignment all screwed up for anyone else now? The featured images are completely overlapping with the current events for me, no matter what I set my browser size to... --( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 18:08, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

Yes, it is most definitely all screwed up.

Broken for me too. Changing the main page to this would fix it, it seems:

I think bad jokes should be killed on sight, unfunny crap or completely unrelated jokes fucking up awesome collaborative efforts and nobody daring to remove them because it would be reverted were pretty much the reason why I gave up on etherchan. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 08:13, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

Seconded, though with less aggro and more finger-pointing and laughing. The Immaturity Mansion wasn't built in a day. Turippufaggu 08:31, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

Agreed, but there really isn't anything we can do about it unless we start enforcing some set of rules or guidelines. Just remove the unfunny shit where you find it and don't worry about it if it starts a revert war. ☆★VIPSTAR★☆ 10:13, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

The problem after a few months on etherchan was that most pages just became an amalgamation of unfunny one-liners. I think the following could help us keep it good in the long run:

Once a page or series of pages starts to be good we should stick to the established theme and attitude of the page and keep only the very best material

Good trolls should be protected from counter-trolling or actual debate (whatever our actual opinion may be)

YUO LOEV TEH LOVE OF THE COCK OLOLOLOLOLOL!!!1! --Halcy 14:06, 11 October 2007 (PDT) (Does this qualify as a metainsult?)

wut

Oh I know, let's have a cabal. That'll keep us safe from revert wars: we can just call them IDfags and... ok, maybe not. Let's wait until we have actual problems and then solve them maybe perhaps possibally? --Turippufaggu 16:19, 11 October 2007 (PDT)

Anyone here who is down with mediawiki and PHP more than I am up for doing this? If not, I'll prolly get onto that eventually, as it should make us pretty much spam-free for good.

I'm working on exactly that... will post here once I get it working. (probably 'round the 17th or so, things are slightly hectic at the moment) --Storlek

That's great. (Don't push yourself, it's not as we'e in a hurry here or something)

Well crap, there's a couple problems with this...

First and most obvious, normal forum spambots kind of blindly stumble through the form submission, whereas wiki spam (at least from what I can tell as I haven't any of the data from their form submissions, just observations of the results) is specifically tailored to MediaWiki's configuration. This means just slipping in a spam-trap field called "name" and expecting it to be blank probably won't work.

Second, I don't think it's quite so easy to rename them (opposed to adding extra fields, which is quite easy) so spambots that fill in wgTextbox1 would really be filling in the spam-trap box -- since the part of the form output code that writes the text boxes is hard-coded deep within MediaWiki. I don't know if maybe there's some way to capture the output and do a regex replace when it's writing the form, but even in that case it'd be a fairly stupid hack. The alternative is to hack the code to change the fields, and stick something in the Request class that drops submissions including text in the spam-trap box -- but that's another obscure thing that needs to be fixed by hand after an upgrade instead of a nicely packaged extension. (= ugh)

Maybe ConfirmEdit really is the best solution... it can be configured only to show a captcha when there's an external link in the text, so in general it shouldn't be too much of a bother (excluding all the pages with links to 4-ch.net...), but I'd personally still want to to figure out if there's some other way to do it without using a captcha.

--Storlek

Hey, anything that works is fine. -- Turippufaggu 15:03, 31 December 2007 (PST)

Spontaneous idea number one: Have a hidden field which is filled. That should kill mediawiki specific bots quite niceley. Number two: Use javascript. Actually, don't. While this would work, it's MEH. Other than that, it'd be a whole lotta work... (edit) after looking at the main page, holy shit. Imma do this _right now_.

UPDATE: Hacked together something very simple, added a "name" field (text, hidden by CSS) which must not be filled, and another hidden field ("city_in_west_germany") which 'must' contain a special key ("bottrop"). Let's see if this curbs the automatic spamming a little. (Then again, without the spammers, the Recent Changes page looks so empty... :T) --Halcy 18:30, 31 December 2007 (PST)--Halcy 18:30, 31 December 2007 (PST)

<style type="text/css"> #name { display:none; } </style>

Boo. Should go in the site stylesheet. ;)

Also did this take source hacking beyond what an extension can do? --Storlek

Did not, but as you can see, it's not working particularily well. I'll try something else soonish, maybe make the "hidden" field into another text one. (Or mabybe i'm doing the "edit denied" code wrong and you can just override it somehow... not sure there) --Halcy 05:09, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Source Code of the NEW AND IMPROVED version, lesse if this works a little better (i.e. at all). Suggestions for improvement are very much welcome. Preferably, they'd be non-intrusive, would not require things like javascript, and be unnoticable to users... :T --Halcy 06:39, 1 January 2008 (PST)

I think there may be 2 different bots attacking the site right now - the one that uses random strings as the title of the new sections, and the one that uses human-readable ads. Maybe it's gonna work for the 2nd one?

I hate captchas, which is why I would like to avoid them. Imma try a few different things before that, but first, I'm gonna figure out if my thing works _at all_, or if I maybe screwed the code up. I know PHP only in as much as it is similiar to generic C-like languages. --Halcy 05:46, 1 January 2008 (PST)

Do someone know how mediawiki spambots work anyway? Googling the question only yields useless shit about locking down your install. It's probable the best ones use real browser engines to bypass tests designed to check whether the user-agent is an actual browser. In that case adding unusual fields wouldn't work... but maybe a simple visible 'human' checkbox defaulting to unchecked (and remembered in a cookie to make it painless) could help? I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 11:54, 1 January 2008 (PST)

I'll spare everyone who cares the trouble of figuring what all the edits I did the last 2 days were about and make a summary:

I lifted some collapse JS code from ed (mediawiki won't let users embed js, since of course you really don't to let people do XSS all over the place, so it needs a pretty complicated JS implementation).

I've added a simple JS that autohides any element of the class 'autohide'. For all intents and purposes, elements of this class will act as if they were inside a 'noscript' element (which is disabled on mediawiki).

I've made a new Collapsible template. It uses both scripts in an user-friendly way that degrades cleanly with JS disabled. Documentation and examples provided on it, let me know if they are not clear eough.

Only tested it on Mac browsers right now. Will test on Windows later. Could someone spare me the pain of booting a Livecd and check it in Konqueror and Firefox/Lin?

Works fine in FF (as you'd expect, it's the same JS code for all OSes), don't have Konqi but I fully expect it to work given that it runs in Safari (again, same javascript engine). I'll try it on my Wii later tonight. :)

The JS works A-OK in Konqueror.

Tested on Windows. Works everywhere, even MSIE5!

I'd like to propose we use this collapsible thing to transition from a 'DQN Music' to a 'DQN Art' template. The template should make it clear what is actual downloadable stuff and what is just archives of DQN stuff. People who aren't that much into DQN culture are a little confused about this (see Talk:All_Alone_For_Christmas_Remixes).

I'll make the template prettier when I can, unless someone else cares enough to do it before.

Wouldn't it be a better idea for the time being to lock account registration for a while? At least until the bot's system stops trying? (I am dumb and pointed to the wrong page to edit) --Dot!!wlpa0ETY 21:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

No matter how many times I answer the Asirra captcha to submit my edit, when I click Submit, it just displays again with a new set of photos. Every time. And I'm SURE I'm getting it correct. Also when I hover over the pics to enlarge them, they display way up by the edit raep button, making it harder to see, and worse, the raep button shows on top of the photo, sometimes making it even harder to make it out.

Something is not right. Fix it or I will rip off your penis kthx. ID:EjQP7vF4 14:06, 4 April 2012 (PDT)

Also the ID thing seems to work fine, so I think you should update the "your IP will be displayed cuz it dun work" thing because it seems not to be true. ID:EjQP7vF4 14:07, 4 April 2012 (PDT)

I agree with the first part, but not the part about the ripping. Diogenes of Syncope 16:17, 4 April 2012 (PDT)

I will try to repare it at some point though right now is impossible sorry. -- Halcy 08:35, 6 April 2012 (PDT)

Well then, account creation and editing with external links is going to remain at a screeching halt until it gets fixed. ID:EjQP7vF4ID:AKD.mPNn 12:59, 1 May 2012 (PDT)

Yes, this is a big problem! It's impossible to edit with external links now...Wwwww 06:58, 2 May 2012 (PDT)

E.g. n4v at 4chingchong is both dead and gone, pending a read-only replacement somewhere. Also neet4vip has changed addresses, the new one is http://anago.2ch.net/neet4vip/ . Sadly I have neither the Mediawiki chops or effort to update it, or even find out how. --Turippufaggu (talk) 04:32, 27 August 2015 (PDT)