Woman's death prompts abortion debate in Ireland - Atheist Nexus2018-05-24T20:18:17Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/woman-s-death-prompts-abortion-debate-in-ireland?groupUrl=feministatheists&commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2101697&xg_source=activity&groupId=2182797%3AGroup%3A35268&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI don't mean on this particul…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21019292012-11-15T23:41:11.609ZJas Brimstonehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/PirateBard
<p>I don't mean on this particular topic. I mean on any topic of "law" in which the views differ.</p>
<p>I don't mean on this particular topic. I mean on any topic of "law" in which the views differ.</p> I saw this yesterday and I wa…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21016972012-11-15T20:08:49.268ZJessica Chenhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JessicaChen
<p>I saw this yesterday and I was absolutely disgusted. I could think of lots of things to say on the matter, but they're a bit obvious. The other replies here basically did the job.</p>
<p>I saw this yesterday and I was absolutely disgusted. I could think of lots of things to say on the matter, but they're a bit obvious. The other replies here basically did the job.</p> The sad fact is that Mosaic L…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21016092012-11-15T19:18:10.698ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>The sad fact is that Mosaic Law and Shariah have more in common than they have in difference. Worse, the bible says NOTHING about abortion, despite <em>dicta ex cathedra</em> to the contrary. Denial of choice to women is just one more mechanism they use to control them in the name of some supposed "purity" standard.<br/><br/>Horse manure.</p>
<p>The sad fact is that Mosaic Law and Shariah have more in common than they have in difference. Worse, the bible says NOTHING about abortion, despite <em>dicta ex cathedra</em> to the contrary. Denial of choice to women is just one more mechanism they use to control them in the name of some supposed "purity" standard.<br/><br/>Horse manure.</p> I wonder how these same peopl…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21018322012-11-15T19:09:16.424ZJas Brimstonehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/PirateBard
<p>I wonder how these same people would think if Sharia Law were imposed on them... I bet tunes of "can't help you, it's the law" would change rather quickly if the "law" were causing them pain and suffering based on a set of doctrines they didn't even believe in.</p>
<p>I wonder how these same people would think if Sharia Law were imposed on them... I bet tunes of "can't help you, it's the law" would change rather quickly if the "law" were causing them pain and suffering based on a set of doctrines they didn't even believe in.</p> I entirely agree that Rita's…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21018192012-11-15T18:10:28.043ZPathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pat46
<p>I entirely agree that Rita's comments, and the reactions to this travesty, are more than appropriate. And, the reactions of many Irish to the Christian Brothers scandal (the systematic rape and torture of young Irish boys by that particular wing of the cult) was also appropriate. Formal excommunication of the church under Canon Law. In fact, I got a copy of the forms from Ireland and did it myself. The number in Ireland that were leaving panicked the church so bad, they changed the law on…</p>
<p>I entirely agree that Rita's comments, and the reactions to this travesty, are more than appropriate. And, the reactions of many Irish to the Christian Brothers scandal (the systematic rape and torture of young Irish boys by that particular wing of the cult) was also appropriate. Formal excommunication of the church under Canon Law. In fact, I got a copy of the forms from Ireland and did it myself. The number in Ireland that were leaving panicked the church so bad, they changed the law on people getting out.</p>
<p>The problem, as I see it, is with the Oirechtas (Irish Parliament). Until the people themselves force them to throw off the shackles, or "Tyranny" of Rome, like they did that of London, this type of BS will, unfortunately, continue.</p> I've been to Ireland three ti…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21015902012-11-15T17:37:41.775ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>I've been to Ireland three times myself, Pat, and had a great time each time I was there. Still, I'm a man, and I'll need an abortion of any kind about the same time that pigs fly. But for female Irish citizens who have to put up with this kind of ignorant BS, I would think that the incident reported above should be the last straw. The reaction and protests which Rita noted in her comment are an appropriate response, which I hope will change the mind of the Irish government if not that of…</p>
<p>I've been to Ireland three times myself, Pat, and had a great time each time I was there. Still, I'm a man, and I'll need an abortion of any kind about the same time that pigs fly. But for female Irish citizens who have to put up with this kind of ignorant BS, I would think that the incident reported above should be the last straw. The reaction and protests which Rita noted in her comment are an appropriate response, which I hope will change the mind of the Irish government if not that of the Irish church.<br/><br/>The saddest part of all this is that it took Savita's death to wake people up to what their laws actually meant.</p> Contrary to some opinions, Ir…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21015872012-11-15T17:28:01.844ZPathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pat46
<p>Contrary to some opinions, Ireland is a great place. I've been there about 7 times, and enjoyed every single minute I spent there. Even been to Ulster, in the North; Enniskillen, Belfast, and Donaghadee. Though most of my visits were in the Republic. I can't think of a more open, friendly, and hospitable people than the Irish.</p>
<p>The only drawback is, as Loren said, the government is a <em>de facto </em>Catholic theocracy. I suppose this comes from years of brutal English oppression of…</p>
<p>Contrary to some opinions, Ireland is a great place. I've been there about 7 times, and enjoyed every single minute I spent there. Even been to Ulster, in the North; Enniskillen, Belfast, and Donaghadee. Though most of my visits were in the Republic. I can't think of a more open, friendly, and hospitable people than the Irish.</p>
<p>The only drawback is, as Loren said, the government is a <em>de facto </em>Catholic theocracy. I suppose this comes from years of brutal English oppression of anyone of the Catholic faith, and ethnic bigotry by the English toward the Irish in general. I can't help but wonder if this unholy marriage (every pun intended) between church and state isn't more of a reaction to the centuries of that oppression. </p>
<p>Can't remember where I heard the line, though I think it may have been in the movie <em>The Wind That Shakes The Barley. </em>And I'm paraphrasing here. "Why do we want to trade the tyranny of London for the tyranny of Rome?"</p> Fucking disgrace!
But what ye…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21015732012-11-15T15:41:06.227ZTNT666http://atheistnexus.org/profile/TNT
<p>Fucking disgrace!</p>
<p>But what ye expect from a place that only last decade allowed divorce! Makes the middle eastern countries seem like women's paradise!</p>
<p>Fucking disgrace!</p>
<p>But what ye expect from a place that only last decade allowed divorce! Makes the middle eastern countries seem like women's paradise!</p> Wow, thanks for the excellent…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-15:2182797:Comment:21017412012-11-15T13:23:15.176ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>Wow, thanks for the excellent article, Rita. It's great to know that there has been a considerable outcry in Ireland about this issue and that people are standing up to the church. The shame is that I suspect the church won't budge on this issue and will likely wind up becoming more petulant about it as it also becomes more irrelevant. This is what absolutism gets them.<br/><br/>I appreciate your input here. Thank you!</p>
<p>Wow, thanks for the excellent article, Rita. It's great to know that there has been a considerable outcry in Ireland about this issue and that people are standing up to the church. The shame is that I suspect the church won't budge on this issue and will likely wind up becoming more petulant about it as it also becomes more irrelevant. This is what absolutism gets them.<br/><br/>I appreciate your input here. Thank you!</p>