as people who hold back criticism because people want to hear sugarcoated news or opinions.

I'm not sure what some folks are going to do for news, though. Fox is out, rightwing, we all get that. And CNN. Now MSNBC. And Huffington Post ... and Raw Story and Common Dreams and even the Daily Show. And Helen Thomas. And Krugman.

What I'm seeing is that journalists who were independent of the administration under Bush were hailed for not being white house toadies. And now people are turning on them for the exact same reason they once looked to them - precisely because their criticism is harsh and not tainted by feel-good puff pieces.

and that's so good and "healthy" for democracy and shit,but other folks can't be criticized once in the while,although many are in our face each and everyday.....or it means they have been thrown under the bus?

Why is it that they always have to be right about their opinion?(cause most times, that's all it is).

Personally, I don't think they always are.

imperfection is a common thread as it resides in all of us, often enough.

Thank you, noamnety. It's disgusting that the same DU that carped and whined about Fox News being in the White House's back pocket when Bush was president now carps and whines when someone on MSNBC dares to say something contrary about the current president.

I thought the commitment of journalists was to be to the truth, regardless of where it lies. You don't see them criticizing Olbermann and Maddow when they praise Obama. But when they criticize him? It's "Out you two pixies go!" All of a sudden, they're just Fox Lite, or closet rightwingers, or too afraid of their corporate overlords to speak the "truth," or "fabricating a narrative," or what have you...and they MUST be turned off, they MUST be thrown under the bus, they are DEAD TO US!!!!!!!

Oh, and then after that comes the parade of DU'ers patting themselves on the back for having thrown out their TVs 20 years ago, and preening in front of everyone because they think it makes them look so brilliant to not ever watch TV news at all...

to be honest. That's a big bus, but nowhere near big enough for all those who have been thrown under it on a daily basis it seems now. I know Noam Chomsky landed there a few weeks ago and he was late getting there.

I wonder if the party loyalists have figured out a simple fact. The more people they feel the need to toss under the bus, the more evidence that is that the numbers of people, most of them supporters of the President, who are expressing disappointment in his policies, is growing rapidly. And that should, although so far it doesn't appear to have, caused them to ask themselves why they appear to be a shrinking minority?

Here's the way the numbers broke out in overall viewership and in the key demographic of viewers ages 25 to 54.

First, during all of prime time (8:00-11:00 p.m. (ET):

Fox News: 2,545,000 in total viewers (569,000 in 25-54)CNN: 1,043,000 in total viewers (358,000 in 25-54)MSNBC: 797,000 in total viewers (239,000 in 25-54)

Here's the way viewership played out during the presidential address from 8:01-8:18 p.m. (ET):Fox News: 2,880,000 in total viewers (656,000 in 25-54)CNN: 1,234,000 in total viewers (433,000 in 25-54)MSNBC: 1,144,000 in total viewers (230,000 in 25-54)

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