Michael Schumacher will be given a parting gift by Mercedes when he retires at the end of the season. According to German publication Bild, the 43-year-old is set to keep the F1 W03 chassis he guided to pole position for the 2012 Monaco Grand Prix.

Michael Schumacher will be given a parting gift by Mercedes when he retires at the end of the season. According to German publication Bild, the 43-year-old is set to keep the F1 W03 chassis he guided to pole position for the 2012 Monaco Grand Prix.

I felt a bit sorry for Michael yesterday. He was running in 7th place when he got his puncture. Seems like all of his luck is completely gone. The reason I felt sorry is not because I wanted Mercedes to have points, but because Schumi could easily have been racing around like he couldn't care less. The fact he still stays motivated for a complete GP knowing it'll be all over soon, and knowing how the season could have looked a lot different if he hadn't had all the failures, seems enough for me to cheer a bit for him

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a waste of time, i'm sure he has given the team a lot in the way of knowledge and experience even if his driving has struggled since his return. Teams don't just give away race cars, i'm sure he has helped a lot. He does need to vacate that seat though.

Can we just remind everyone in this thread that it is neither a Michael Schumacher Supporters Thread. It isn't a thread designed for people to be constantly negative about him either. It is a discussion thread and so positive and negative opinions are allowed.

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Eurytus probably thought he was God. At least until he was banned. Which means if he was God, it makes me very scared of PF1-Mod.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a waste of time, i'm sure he has given the team a lot in the way of knowledge and experience even if his driving has struggled since his return. Teams don't just give away race cars, i'm sure he has helped a lot. He does need to vacate that seat though.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Everyone who hates Schumi always brings up the Bridgestones. And he had launch control on the Benetton. What else can we say about him that was never proven?

What's most annoying about these hater commernts is that Mercedes won in China and MSC probably would have finished second. Merc threw a ton of money into F1 and goes to show you how money spent unwisely is money lost. I wouldn't go as far as to say MSC or Rosberg are the two best drivers on the grid but in this age of F1 where machinery is paramount to success, if either Merc driver was in a RBR, Ferrari or mclaren they each would have won 2 or more races this year. I don't know how people can't see it. It's like they turn on the race, fall asleep, wake up for an incident and conclude Schumacher sucks. All these guys are pretty darn good, mentally and physically fit. If the car stinks, you ain't winning, get it once and for all.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Michael hasn't been able to tune into the tyres for the last three years, not just this season.

Can I also burst another bubble of yours? Nico won a grand prix this year in Mercedes, long before Lotus were able to compete.

IN MY OPINION, Mercedes owes him nothing. He's been paid millions over the last three years and delivered nothing for the team. In fact, he's been a waste of time.

why is this comment still here? just a bunch of insults with zero substance...with nothing to back it up!

to mods: isnt this guy clearly trolling this tread? Shouldnt this pile of dung be removed?..its stinks up the page

In my opinion Michael has struggled to contribute to the development of Mercedes as a racing team and here’s why:

There’s no in season testing which Michael excelled at and he can't even test using the race simulator as he gets motion sickness from using it. He also hasn't appeared to be able to get tuned into the tyres, in marked contrast to his Ferrari days when they were made exclusively to his needs.

He has been paid well in the expectation that the team would at least be the best midfield team or begin to challenge the leading teams of Redbull/Ferrari/MClaren. I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team.

What he has excelled at is stroking the egos of the Mercedes senior execs and their sponsors, Brawn’s most glowing accolade since Michaels return was ‘you should have seen him with the sponsors’.Says it all really, it’s not about the winning it’s all about the money, money, money $$$$$$$$$.

Where to start!

I'd like to see a link from a reputable source stating that Bridgestone (in Schumi's Ferrari days) "were made exclusively to his needs".

Were any of the drivers "able to get tuned into the tyres" at the beginning of the season? IMO it was down to how 'easy' the CAR was on its tyres - but I agree that Schumi probably found it particularly difficult to adapt to racing around the tyres.

"I think the writing was on the wall earlier this year when Kimi returned from his time out and achieved more in a few races in what is considered a midfield team with a limited budget, than Michael had achieved in the previous two years with a factory team." - Kimi walked into a FAR better car than the Merc! The Merc has been (apart from a couple of races) a midfield car for the last 3 years, whereas Lotus have been a front-runner this season - certainly better than the Merc at the vast majority of races.

Michael hasn't been able to tune into the tyres for the last three years, not just this season.

Can I also burst another bubble of yours? Nico won a grand prix this year in Mercedes, long before Lotus were able to compete.

Long before Lotus were able to complete? Lotus finished 2nd and 3rd in the next race.

Lotus have been strong all through the season, much stronger than Merc. Merc have been stronger in certain races, but in just a few.

Great performance today! No coincidence that the track is similar to some of the classic tracks like Spa and Silverstone where he did his growing up. Anyone who thinks he's over the hill should seriously reconsider. F1's loss come year end.

Nice for an old man...where was Rosberg? Hoping for another podium tomorow but with the car pace seems impossible.First laps a duel Schumi-Kimi-Hamilton seems possible. Webber ususally will pe 7-8 poor start.

Nice for an old man...where was Rosberg? Hoping for another podium tomorow but with the car pace seems impossible.First laps a duel Schumi-Kimi-Hamilton seems possible. Webber ususally will pe 7-8 poor start.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/11/14069.html wrote:

Nico Rosberg (17th, Q2 - 1m 38.501s)“I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year. We had already used it yesterday and made the decision to continue for the rest of the weekend to help with the learning process. The car felt good this morning in the cool temperatures but the difference to Michael's car surprised me this afternoon. So I hope that the race pace is better tomorrow and the switch will be worth it. I will definitely push to score points.”

Man , Rosberg always when Schumi was better especialy in qualy instead of praise or admit Schumi performance he was just finding an excuse for himself... Even though may be he is right, he could have praise Schumacher old man performance of beating the 2 Ferrari but no...meh my car was not good.

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I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year

What evaluation....man you Mercedes cant take their 2011 car and 2012 cars and dump them to the garbage.Only good part from this year cars it's DDRS.They must build a car form 0.Using 2011 and 2012 cars will bring the 2013 car to failure.I mean the old problem of eating tires 2011/2012 car , i don't think they realized what it causing it.I don't think they know what it's good and what it's bad in the car.

Man , Rosberg always when Schumi was better especialy in qualy instead of praise or admit Schumi performance he was just finding an excuse for himself... Even though may be he is right, he could have praise Schumacher old man performance of beating the 2 Ferrari but no...meh my car was not good.

Quote:

I ran our old exhaust system in qualifying today as part of our evaluation programme for next year

What evaluation....man you Mercedes cant take their 2011 car and 2012 cars and dump them to the garbage.Only good part from this year cars it's DDRS.They must build a car form 0.Using 2011 and 2012 cars will bring the 2013 car to failure.I mean the old problem of eating tires 2011/2012 car , i don't think they realized what it causing it.I don't think they know what it's good and what it's bad in the car.