I made a bunch of swastikas on that reddit thing yesterday. Some fascist moron made a thread telling people to stop people from posting swastikas and communist flags. So my course of action was very clear.

I made a bunch of swastikas on that reddit thing yesterday. Some fascist moron made a thread telling people to stop people from posting swastikas and communist flags. So my course of action was very clear.

Pat, remember when I found a swastika in the nether on your Minecraft server, and I brought it to your attention, and you were like "**** nazis" and you destroyed the swastika? I miss that Patman.

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I made a bunch of swastikas on that reddit thing yesterday. Some fascist moron made a thread telling people to stop people from posting swastikas and communist flags. So my course of action was very clear.

Pat, remember when I found a swastika in the nether on your Minecraft server, and I brought it to your attention, and you were like "**** nazis" and you destroyed the swastika? I miss that Patman.

I made a bunch of swastikas on that reddit thing yesterday. Some fascist moron made a thread telling people to stop people from posting swastikas and communist flags. So my course of action was very clear.

Pat, remember when I found a swastika in the nether on your Minecraft server, and I brought it to your attention, and you were like "**** nazis" and you destroyed the swastika? I miss that Patman.

Maybe? I don't care if people make them, but I also don't care if people destroy them. If anyone found one on the server and asked if they could wreck it, I'd say yes. If they found one and asked what they should do, I'd say they should do what they think is best. And if they found it and said they were just gonna move along and leave it be, I'd say yes.

Because I'm pretty sure "**** nazis" tells you all you need to know about my stance on that. But Nazis are also one of the silver bullets in my troll arsenal. And I'm not throwing that one away for anybody. They'll have to regulate me out of existence. And by then the internet will be even more lame and I'll be using polnet or something.

On reddit? Those fascists were doing a shame campaign to keep people from making stuff they didn't like. They were asking to be trolled and I am the man for the job. Had one account egging people on in the anti-swastika thread and a few other accounts drawing swastikas and antagonizing them. They get SOOOOO angry and it is worth it EVERY. DAMN. TIME. FOR. YEARS. AND. YEARS.

Seriously, only on reddit can you set up a purely democratic system where individuals are in complete control and they decide to impose censorship on themselves. LOLOL

Yeah trolling is just incredibly stupid. It's like the counterpart to callout culture, it's just jumping on something that another person did that you disliked and intentionally making them angry for your own personal satisfaction and ultimately just making everyone more angry and unwilling to listen to each other. I have no idea what it's supposed to accomplish or how it's supposed to make anything better or make any kind of point

most people dont want swastikas in their shared art space thing. responding to that desire by drawing swastikas... well, at the heart of it, that's all that is. you can attribute it to censorship or democracy or whatever, but it's just doing something most people don't want for the sake of itself.

I understand jokingly doing something to annoy, say, a close friend, but the end goal of that is usually to make both people laugh and it's all in good fun. If that counts as trolling, or if like a "ha-ha i got you" prank counts as trolling, then I get that and it's fine, but I just sort of don't understand the point of being just very mean-spirited and then kind of acting like you're above it and above the consequences above it because it's all a joke to you and everyone else is just too serious or something. I see it as like, just being annoying or inflammatory just for the sake of itself.

Nope you're just undoing anything good you did do. You're putting other people in a ****ty mood and justifying their own ****ty behaviour.

Every small malicious act makes the world a slightly worse place. Also doing some good stuff doesn't entitle you to be a petty little bitch the other 80% of the time, get over yourself. Look, people make mistakes and nobody is perfect, but intentionally baiting people is lame.

The main distinction being whether it is directly pissing off me. Of course. See, if it is pissing me off, then it is a bad type of ****posting. If it's not, it's good. It's simple!

No, but really there is a difference in how you present yourself. If you are obviously joking it is okay to let off some steam. Serious and angry people are the worst. People who are jokingly angry are okay. Seriously angry is scary. That's different.

I got trolled just a few hours/minutes ago on reddit by a dude on reddit. Guy who was messing with me claiming that another user posting "88" in a thread about some guy joking that he's be able to find Jews well because he's German was posting "88" as a Chinese good luck thing, and not as neo-Nazi/white nationalist code for Heil Hitler.

Got into a bit of an argument there. Started off just kinda explaining what was going on, and he insisted it was Chinese lucky numbers. Got very angry at his stupidity and willful ignorance enabling him to look past a ****ing Nazi. And then it turned out he doesn't give a **** and was just ****ing with me.

**** that guy. **** his family. **** his house. I hope he gets in a goddamn car crash. Piece of ****.

the thing is, pat, you yourself can't take trolling. in fact in my experience you're more receptive to it than most. you know this, and we both know what i'm talking about. don't act like you're so above it all.

maybe you should think about how that particularly minor (and yes, it was very very minor. moreso than drawing swastikas because you know people don't want it) instance of trolling made you feel, next time.

I think the world would be a better place if you you held yourself to your own standards at all times. (Or at least weren't so quick to justify not doing so.)

And in response to the second comment, it wasn't malicious. You perceive it as such. Maybe other people perceive what you do differently from how you intended it, too?

I agree that I'm part of the problem and I keep trying to make it better. And believe me, I'm used to nobody ever understanding anything I say, ever. But here, with you guys? It's definitely different because we know each other. I don't even know how or why this conversation got as long-winded as it did. I like to jerk around with goofy public internet projects and ****post on 4chan, jesus christ you faggots need to calm the hell down about it, I've seen plenty of you there too laughing along with the fun. :|

But in terms of "trying harder" and all that, you guys just aren't getting it. I'm not doing this by myself. I refuse. It isn't something I can change by myself. You guys are also jerks and you never offer to change, you never say you're sorry, and god damn you're always right, aren't you? Every time I say something, it turns into a symposium on Pat. How is he wrong today? How many of us can pile on to tell this guy he's wrong and he sucks. Did you ever consider it's just a thought exercise or I'm trying to look at things in a different way? That you don't need to make it personal or call me names? I make positive posts and try to encourage nice discussion about other topics and it's crickets in the night. Nobody ever responds to that stuff. But there's a truckload of people waiting in the wings to pile on how wrong I was about this or how stupid my thought of the day is.

Did you ever consider that part of my annoyance with a lot of you guys is that I can't get the time of day from you half the time unless I'm spouting off about some dumb political topic or whatever. I'd much rather talk about Zelda or computers or the space station, but that stuff gets passed over on the regular. I have to bother you guys on Steam to talk about other topics and even then I get no response back a lot of the time.

How about you guys take the step with me, because I've been trying to say this without actually saying it for two or three weeks now. We all need to try to be better, because you guys are pretty messed up yourselves, though many of you will never admit it because god forbid you show any weakness, humanity, or a propensity to be incorrect about something.

I'm not doing anything different until you jerks also try to do better. The whole reason our world is as messed up as it is, is because too many people don't see themselves as part of the problem. And you guys and you Tesla are part of the problem here, it's not just me. You have to do this with me because it's going to take all of us to fix it, not just me. You can't just scapegoat Pat like you did with ChiToes and twiddle your thumbs and hope it gets better, because you're the problem, too.

Nope, sorry. You don't get to admit to trolling strangers on purpose and then take the moral high ground.

You can't ask for our opinions and then get mad because we disagree with you. Every time you're genuinely wrong about something you try to turn it around and act like suddenly everyone needs to fix the world with you, but as soon as Pat wants to call someone a faggot when they've asked him nicely not to, well, Pat HAS to call someone a faggot and that's his right. Get over yourself dude. Yeah, we're all wrong sometimes, you just have an obnoxious way of dealing with it.

All I'm wondering is what is our supposed problem. Is it blaming a single person while not seeing the problem is us? Then, what is our problem? Is it blaming...

There is no us. We are all different people with separate opinions. We are not a hive.

If you could be more specific, then the people who are at fault could maybe improve. There is no us. Some people agree, some people disagree. We are not all ganging up on you or ChiToes. What I see is one person causing a scene, a couple of people contributing to it. And the majority us probably have no opinion about it.

So. Keep it between you and whoever you have a problem with. Personally I do not give a single **** about who is trolling and who isn't. And I didn't want chitoes to leave. But it's just not my problem.

Hey Pat if I've ganged up on you or called you anything I'm sorry. I wasn't really trying to direct anything negative at you as a person, just express that I don't understand the point of trolling and mostly dislike it. I'm definitely wrong sometimes, and I still feel pretty strongly that trolling is sorta dumb but I do understand where you're coming from about not getting much attention about non-controversial topics and I'd talk about things like Zelda and computers with you if I knew anything about them but I don't, really most of the things I really like you don't! Like Metal Gear or something. And that's okay.

I don't think you're a complete piece of **** or anything like that. I also don't think Sam or Tesla or whoever are wrong, or pieces of **** either, I don't really know enough about you guys or the world to say anything about if you're trying to change it but the least I can do is say that when I disagree with you about something I'm not trying to personally attack you - and I don't think anyone else means to either.

And if you want me, personally, to take any kinds of steps to be better so that you also feel encouraged to be better, let me know what I need to do and I'll do my best.

right. I'm not trying to say you're wrong or suck. Really all I want is a little less being called a faggot (and also a bully (and also I'm the one calling you names?)).

and seriously, I'm here to talk about other stuff. I really don't know what you mean by this. If I don't say something on a topic it's because I don't have anything to say, it's not an affront on you.

and I have no problem with you raising points, being a devil's advocate, whatever. again it's the fact that you sometimes seem to do it just to get a rise out of people? maybe i'm wrong. again it could simply the difference between intended and perceived tone. i realize this goes both ways and i'm worry if my comments can come off as snide.

this applies to every conversation with you and everyone else - i'm sorry if these conversations tend to escalate but i'm just trying to express my thoughts without my head getting ripped off.

anyway, this whole thing was a troll. all of it, from the very beginning of my membership here. you've been trolled.

this applies to every conversation with you and everyone else - i'm sorry if these conversations tend to escalate but i'm just trying to express my thoughts without my head getting ripped off.

I feel exactly the same way. Most of the time I am really making innocuous comments or asking a question. And I am not the type to back down when I feel like someone is coming at me, which is why I'll respond 150% to that stuff.

I think all of us (here and in the western world) need to re-learn how to talk to people, how to have normal discussions, and how to be wrong and how to be right. I think that here, us on this forum, we've got a chance to actually do that. We're in control here, it's our space. Maybe we won't change the world, but we can change ourselves to be better equipped to deal with a world that just doesn't give a crap about trying to better.

We can do better and for the sake of this community, we should want to do better. But we've gotta re-condition ourselves to handle these conversations. Our governments and corporations and overseeing power structures have intentionally muddied the waters, conflated issues, and turned up the rhetoric such that over the last ten years, we've subtly all forgotten how to be people. This is a cultural problem afflicting most of our societies in one way or another. And it probably isn't going to get fixed and we're going down this path now and the future is kind of bleak. And to me, that's an existential crisis and I haven't been able to deal with it for years now.

But I could be content if our community was able to reel it back in and we could somehow be better than we have been. Because you're right, I am trying to act like I'm above it all because that is what I aspire to. I want to be above it because I know it is possible, but it's not the kind of thing one person can do. A community needs to mobilize around this idea for it to work, otherwise you just have disparate actors throwing all of their energy into an angry void, making themselves less-willing to be helpful and tiring them out.Solutions?

Make a new forum section for politics and get that crap out of Everything Else. Put it in its own space so it can be managed like the hydra that it is. You suspend people from posting in that forum if they go over the line to be able to lay down some sort of punishment that is effective, and we go on with our lives. Of course we still have the same level of free conversation, but it'll be easier to turn it off and separate it from more constructive or fun topics. It's hard to post something irreverent in the Off Topic Topic when you've got a weeks old argument clearly visible at the top of the same forum thread and it was made personal longer ago than you can recall.

I actually thought duolingo offering an emjoi course was kind of funny...

Either way, I'm in no position to judge Duolingo for anything. I still have a barely started Spanish module there. Add that to four years of high school Spanish and three years of Middle School Spanish and I cannot speak Spanish.

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