(09 September 2017 - 02:28 PM)Last year started very late because I wasn't planning to run it but then changed my mind

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(09 September 2017 - 02:36 PM)Maybe will be earlier this year :3c

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(09 September 2017 - 02:52 PM)(To be clear, I didn't set up the forum this time, I'm assuming Hex did. So thank you, Hex!)

Eisenalex

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(11 September 2017 - 10:39 PM)There's a Nintendo Direct coming.

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(11 September 2017 - 10:39 PM)I'm not holding my breath for it but a teaser for a new FF would be nice.

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(12 September 2017 - 08:39 PM)It would

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(12 September 2017 - 08:39 PM)It's happening pretty late at night here, so I doubt I'll stay up and watch it, but I'd be happy to wake up to news

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(13 September 2017 - 08:54 AM)Same for me. At least KT once stated that they have a little something in the works for the Switch and I doubt it'll only be FE: Warriors.

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(13 September 2017 - 10:57 PM)Now that was kinda disappointing. Didn't expect Doom and Wolfenstein. As expected, no FF news, unfortunately. I'm surprised that we didn't get a Smash 4 port announced or any news on Travis Strikes Back.

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(24 September 2017 - 01:19 PM)Did I loose something?Or TGS was too poor this year?Almost nothing new was announced for anything?

While i was talking in the Chatzy with other members about FFIV endings i got the idea to ask shibata which is the canon ending for Fatal Frame IV Mask of the Lunar Eclipse.So i asked him excactly this (on twitter):

Which is the cannon ending in FFIV(Zero Tsukihami no Kamen)?Does Misaki survive or not? Thanks in Advance!

And he replied with this:

It cannot be said officially that which is right. As me, the ending to which Misaki survives is desirable.

After that i thanked him a lot and i told him that i love FFIV to death.Anyway to sum up Mr. Shibata wants the ending in which Misaki survives to be the canon but he can't say that officially probably because Nintendo owns the game too now.

I actually prefer the original ending. There's something really haunting about Ruka's memories being restored only to have no one to share them with. Misaki dying in Sakuya's arms just feels right to me.

But it's nice to hear Shibata talk about FF4. Just wish he'd do it more often. >: x

I was always under the belief that the 2nd ending was just a continuation of the original ending showing Misaki's fate, but whatever happened to her either way wasn't much of a surprise for me (Madoka on the other hand :c). It's nice hearing some infomation on FF4 though since I was a major fan of it back then.

This may go without saying, but I do prefer the 'Misaki survives' ending. Not just because I like the character, though! But also because all of the Asou descendants (both official and assumed) just keep getting screwed over. XD I don't know if it's just a coincidence, or the writers have a twisted sense of humor, but the lack of information on Dr. Asou just drives me batty, and killing off his kin isn't helping!

I was always under the belief that the 2nd ending was just a continuation of the original ending showing Misaki's fate, but whatever happened to her either way wasn't much of a surprise for me (Madoka on the other hand :c). It's nice hearing some infomation on FF4 though since I was a major fan of it back then.

Yeah, something about the way it was presented made me feel as if it was just adding extra information rather than being a new scenario. But as always, I'd prefer the grimmer ending to be canon, and it feels a little weird for Misaki to survive the Sakuya scene (Now maybe if there was an actual thing you had to do to make her survive, like Kei in FF3, then yeah).

I have to admit I like the idea of the Photograph Ending being the canon ending but that's partially because I like the idea of her going on to pass on information on her experiences and maybe 'disappear' later on. It makes more sense to me that it's a continuation of her ending. I hope someday we find out the truth on the ending though. Maybe if there's another game it'll be in the notes.

Something about the photo ending speaks to me like it fills in that "missing link". I do not believe that Misaki "died" because people think someone is dead when they suddenly pass out while standing or walking. I've went dizzy and could barely see anything in front of me then collapse like if all life was sucked out of me many many times before, that is just my view on it and believe that Misaki lives.
The game on it's own is too obscure to the fans of the series, and we got Shibata to thank for that

But were you embraced by a ghost before you fainted, and did you then disappear so that even when your friends looked around the area where you collapsed, they couldn't see you? Personally I always thought Misaki was alive too, but it's not at all illogical to think she was spirited away, and it's kinda disingenuous to act like she just had a dizzy spell or something.

^It is possible that she woke up and followed Madoka away from the area as the photo ending showed which supports my previous post and yours. By the time Ruka got there it is possible that Misaki already left with Madoka (chapters take place at different times right?). I would have to be paid to believe that she got spirited away because it doesn't fit right.

The photograph ending shows Madoka as a "good" spirit "passing on" to the afterlife, a process that has already started by the time Misaki wakes up. That's only possible after Ruka has completed the new Kiraigou by playing the Tsukimori Song on the lighthouse, which is after she goes to the area Misaki collapses in, and Misaki isn't there. Ruka finds the mask piece Misaki had with her in the place she fell. Misaki was there before Ruka.

As for which is canon, I don't know about that, either. I'd like to think the photo ending is, for multiple reasons (and not just for Misaki's sake but also Madoka's), and though you'd normally expect the worst from an FF game they did do a bit of a 180 on that with Kei, so... it's hard to tell at this point.

The way I've always seen it is that Sakuya doesn't kill Misaki but rather knocks her unconscious since she is holding Miya (like Reika with Kei when holding Kaname's earring). After that I feel that Madoka had one of those I'm a peaceful wandering spirit moments and lead Misaki away from the arena and on a wild goose chase till they got to the beach. When they arrive at the beach Ruka and Choushiro are able to put Sakuya's spirit to rest and Madoka and Misaki say their goodbyes and Madoka departs to the afterlife with Misaki watching on as all of the spirits on the Island descend into the Ocean.

To me this makes the most sense as it not only places Misaki away from the arena when Ruka goes there but it also has Miya shown left on the ground where she remains when Ruka obtains the black mask fragment from that location thus making the Photograph Ending an extension to the main ending and much more likely to be canon as it doesn't contradict anything.

I can't see Sakuya calling Misaki all that way and forcing her to remember just to knock her out. It's also highly unlikely for Madoka to have a peaceful wandering spirit moment because how often does that happen? She's still a vengeful spirit and doesn't have enough reason (or power) to split into another form, especially with the curse still in effect, which it was.

I just find Misaki only being knocked out by Sakuya a little awkward considering the scene that precedes it. That smile Sakuya makes is really sinister- I can't see her just knocking out Misaki and strolling off to the lighthouse.