Please - no "judgment calls" on this thread from some people on the boards who I have seen previously do so to others in a querying, disrespectful manner.

I went on a date last night with a person who, because of my own tremendous survival issues, plus his abrupt behavior and omittance of certain information about himself, has thrown my body and emotions into long-lasting SHOCK and grief.

I don't want any judgment calls on this because after all - a first date with someone is "like an interview" in some respects, really. We all know that. But, aside from his abrupt behaviors and VERY different lifestyle, this person was, on the whole, much more UGLY looking in person than pictures could portray; apparently he used light and shadow to his advantage in the photos. His philosophy was shown to be bordering on 180 degree opposite of mine, but,he was from precisely the country I had wanted to date someone from.

In total, I feel as if my whole being has just been short circuited physically, emotionally and spiritually. The mental part is still alive and kicking, but I literally feel as if something has just KILLED ME DEAD!

I would buy the whole tin of Rescue Remedy pastilles - but I wonder if that is going to be specific enough? And yet I don't want to pay for 3 or 4 vials of stuff. I wonder which is best to apply, in this case.

With gratitude -- S.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 2:43pm; Reply: 1

If you're feeling "in shock" then Star of Bethlehem is the best choice. This is an ingredient in Rescue Remedy.

I strongly suspect that your "bad date" isn't the only thing bothering you; it was just "the straw that broke the camel's back" after all the other stuff you've been going through lately. The ongoing financial stress, what you went through at your last job, dealing with your mother (not only in dealing with her care but also an element of loss.) You're also in a time of change and uncertainty.

Wild oat may be indicated if you're feeling unsure of where to go with your life. Walnut if you feel like outside influences are affecting you too much (may be very useful with the whole situation with your mom and living with her.) Perhaps aspen and/or mimulus if you're afraid of what's going to happen to you. A few others might even be the most important, depending on your exact personality and how all this stuff is affecting your psyche. Are you putting yourself last? (centuary.) Worn out with worry for your mom and frustrated that she won't listen to your advice? (red chestnut.) You probably need either olive, elm, or oak for fatigue/feeling overwhelmed, but I'm not sure which one would best suit you.

OTOH, for today you may just need to deal with the immediate shock of last night's date, and the other underlying emotional issues may be less important. For that, rescue remedy is probably your best bet. The liquid is probably a better buy than the pastilles, as you only need a couple of drops in a cup of water.

For the long term, I'd suggest getting a book about flower remedies out of the library, and go through the whole book and try to get a feel for which remedies really "speak to you" right now. Ideally, you want to use 3-5 remedies to heal the underlying emotions, mixed together in a treatment bottle (the remedies last a really long time this way.) I have almost a complete set right now, but I didn't buy more than 1 or 2 at a time. I bought them as I felt I (or a family member) needed one I didn't have. Some of the bottles are 15 years old and still potent.

Posted by: TheGameChanger, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:44pm; Reply: 2

That is amazing, Ruthie! I would LIKE TO ship you a lot of Kosher chickens....so you can make "chicken soup for the soul" like this for everybody! (angel)

Posted by: Victoria, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:52pm; Reply: 3

Ruthie has a good perspective on this. I agree that for an acute situation like this immediate issue, Rescue Remedy is a good choice. I keep a stock bottle on hand all the time and put a couple of drops under my tongue immediately when I feel ripped apart over something. It's cheaper to mix up a treatment bottle and keep in the refrigerator - 5 drops of Rescue Remedy in a 2 oz glass dropper bottle, filled with pure, chemical-free water. Squeeze an entire dropper-full under your tongue many times a day, even every 5 minutes if needed.

I like the protective remedies a lot, specifically Walnut and Centuary. I think Centuary would be a very good choice for you on the long-term, considering the circumstances you are living in right now. It is about developing strong, healthy boundaries.

Posted by: Henriette Bsec, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 3:55pm; Reply: 4

It sounds really interesting.Do you have an online article about it - or do I have to find a book about it ?

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 5:18pm; Reply: 5

There are lots of websites with information about Bach Flower Remedies. Many of the places that sell them online include a page of information about each remedy, and are easily found with a websearch. I like to read more than one perspective on each remedy before selecting it- either using 2 different websites, or a website and a book, or two different books. Each place will describe the remedy in slightly different words, which can help clarify which one(s) you need and which one(s) aren't quite right for now.

Posted by: Jane, Thursday, July 19, 2012, 5:58pm; Reply: 6

Very Interesting and something I should read up on. The only one I've ever tried is the Rescue Sleep.

Ruthie has a good perspective on this. I agree that for an acute situation like this immediate issue, Rescue Remedy is a good choice. I keep a stock bottle on hand all the time and put a couple of drops under my tongue immediately when I feel ripped apart over something. It's cheaper to mix up a treatment bottle and keep in the refrigerator - 5 drops of Rescue Remedy in a 2 oz glass dropper bottle, filled with pure, chemical-free water. Squeeze an entire dropper-full under your tongue many times a day, even every 5 minutes if needed.

I like the protective remedies a lot, specifically Walnut and Centuary. I think Centuary would be a very good choice for you on the long-term, considering the circumstances you are living in right now. It is about developing strong, healthy boundaries.

My mom absconded with the car after I came back from job interview, so I fell asleep hoping to sleep off the exhaustive, clinging depression re: last night.Every 5 minutes? If that were so, how much remedy would be used per day?

Posted by: TheGameChanger, Friday, July 20, 2012, 3:47am; Reply: 8

Got my Rescue Remedy, to start off. Amazing how with a body clear of avoids, the rescue remedy started working in about 2 minutes. It actually helped my mind "breathe" again.

Glad it already had Star of Bethlehem in it. I think I would go for Elm next, because when my counselor is out of town, s$%t always happens faster than I can expect.

Posted by: Victoria, Friday, July 20, 2012, 4:21am; Reply: 9

Seraffa, glad you experienced such a quick response from the Rescue Remedy. It is that way for me also. As to your question in post #7, "Every 5 minutes? If that were so, how much remedy would be used per day?" Rescue Remedy is meant for short-term use, for acute situations. It is a crisis remedy, so you would not be taking it for a long time. The cheapest way is to make a treatment bottle as I described in post #3 and taken like that, a stock bottle can last for months. I buy a new one every couple of years or so.

Elm is good when you overall feel like you're in control of your life, but things are just overwhelming right now. It's good for students around exam time, or for busy housewives before holidays. It's when you're overwhelmed because your "to do" list is too long.

If you've been chronically overwhelmed for a long time, you may need Olive for exhaustion instead of Elm. And if it's REALLY a chronic issue, Oak may be more appropriate- Oak is for when you feel like you've been plodding along forever and you keep on going past the point of exhaustion. Some people have an "Oak personality" and routinely trudge along when they're tired, while others get that way after a long, hard life.

There were years when I was taking Elm when I should have been using Olive, when my girls were small.

Posted by: ruthiegirl, Friday, July 20, 2012, 6:14pm; Reply: 14

Seraffa- thank you for starting this thread. In typing up my last response, I realized that I need elm right now! I just added a couple of drops to a glass of water (and poured a little bit of that water into my water bottle that's coming with me to DS' appointment.) Those two drops from the bottle will last me through lots of doses throughout today.

:) Please, Admins! Make this one a "Sticky" with your Admin-power glue :)I'm posting this for those who may need extra care and discussion support as they persue their health recovery the BTD, GTD and SWAMI way. :) Thank you!!

Hello, readers. I am a genetically marked Bulimia Nervosa sufferer persuing total remission the D'Adamo way. I have founded this thread as a "safe" place for all to come to who wish to speak about struggles and vistories with eating disorders, whether needing nutritional, emotional or intellectual support to go forward with their healing process.

I first became aware of my Bulimia at age 21, while living in an alcoholic, dysfunctional home life. Over the years the Bulimia Nervosa progressed to an almost daily condition although I had been trying many popular support groups to get rid of my condition. There was finally a brief period of 4 years of total remission, using Psychiatric drugs to "pool seratonin" in my brain, coupled with personal counselling with a stellar counselor.

However, as the need for the psychiatrics ceased, and age crept up on me, my condition as an overstressed, overtoxified A Nonnie Explorer suddenly reared its ugly head again a la Bulimia Nervosa, which sent me desperately (but skeptically) searching for ultimate nutirional health to "stop the binge/vomit cycle." Again here - I must repeat that at the time I had STELLAR counseling support, but the only "diet" I knew of that worked only HALF the time to keep me in remission was "Paleo". I was gulping down meats and cheeses and veggies with very little grain in faint hopes of "beating the illness." But no victory.

Here at the BTD support groups, I am happy to say that not only am I persuing near-total victory over the plague of Bulimia Nervosa -- I am, through diligent monitoring, suddenly discovering now which brain functions within me are responding positively or negatively to my "benficials" "diamonds" and "avoids", and my current area of interest is now my partially-damaged hypothalamus, and its relationship to my upper-intestine enzymatic secretions (specifially, ghrelin levels that contraol the satiety signal in the brain)

I wish you all joy and luck in continuing the peronal journey towards ultimate good health in our supportive, friendly environment. And I know for myself that I would not be writing this with confidence if it were not for Dr. D'Adamo's continued research into what makes "us" "us" and gives us the opportunity for a happy and long life, free of chronic illness. :)

I do not have an eating disorder but have a sister (she is technically my sister in law, but I love her like my sister) who is recovering from aneorexia. Can I hop on the thread to further my understanding of her condition and for support in helping her?

I do not have an eating disorder but have a sister (she is technically my sister in law, but I love her like my sister) who is recovering from aneorexia. Can I hop on the thread to further my understanding of her condition and for support in helping her?

Sure, Aisling. And I'm not bragging by any means ( I don't want to seem like "the perfect example" of what other people go through ) but I actually had Anoriexia for a full year before the disease gave way to Bulimia Nervosa.

There are much more medical stories out there on the net now than were available 30 years ago regarding the differences between the 2 diseases. If you google the known chemical imalances found within Anorexics, please feel free to throw em in here and start discussing!

A friend of mine here went "off the wagon" today as far as compliant eating.Here's a creative question: if someone were to write the "12 Steps of Avoids Anonymous" what would those 12 steps look like? :)

I haven't participated in 12 step programs in a long while, but as I remember it, it would go something like this:Step 1: Admitted that we were powerless over our avoids - that our lives had become unmanageable......

Anyway, just a creative thought. Not mandating, or dictating. :)

Posted by: yaeli, Friday, September 21, 2012, 2:17am; Reply: 23

I'm sorry I haven't read this thread until now. Like to add re anti-shock remedies: the homeopathic Traumeel is very effective. I carry with me a small jar of tablets.

Although it is usually prescribed as a pain killer and anti-inflammatory remedy, it is an immediate support in shock situations.

I am suffering the physical emotional effects of a lifetime of compulsive overeating and have recently added amino acids to my daily regime including tryptophen at night. i'm discovering that the tryptophen seems to be helping the most.

I purchased a book entitled Mood Cure and that really blew my mind because it talks about the brain chemistry in great detail and all the addictions in the world from folks reaching for something to make their brains feel better; plus deficiencies that many are born with which is the very reason I began to reach for sugar at such a young age and could not stop.

I had one period in my journey on the GTD where I was about 99.9% compliant and all my cravings stopped.... however, I still have a low level/blah depression. Eventually I found myself back into the sugar to drive that away and to feel excited about life again.

I personally have always felt that there was a brain chemistry connection to what drives cravings in our world for whatever your drug of choice is, and certain types of food can most definitely be drugs. I have experienced what it's like to be out of my mind with cravings... intense or just irritating agnst going on and when I fulfill the need with sugar, the cravings go away immediately.

I have tried reaching for meat or other healthy suggestions in the midst of a craving crisis and it does not work for me.

However with that said.. I have found that those things do work over time. Over time when one focuses daily on getting the necessary foods for ones particular health and sanity, the cravings go away for good. Like deposits in a bank, the health grows and the brain chemistry stabilizes, etc., etc. BUT one cannot let up on a good regime. Over time after a good strong period of steady healthy eating, I'm sure one could venture off to a meal here and there, that was not compliant.. however in my experience one must immediately get back on track.

It's been a long long journey to find my way... and recently I have not been compliant (see my post on IBS), but thanks to the IBS, I'm being forced to be compliant and work toward stability and I have found that stability and a life of no cravings is like gold.

In my world of compulsive overeating, nothing is more horrific than having to deal with cravings...and so to have a life free of those is something that I have made a high priority now. And with God's help, I will continue to have physical and emotional recovery from a life of bingeing and dieting, shame and guilt about my disease.

blessings to all on the journey... isolation is death... sharing our stories and supporting one another is life.

Posted by: BluesSinger, Sunday, September 23, 2012, 4:55pm; Reply: 26

Also.. Amino's have been helping me a lot lately which I learned about from the Mood Cure book. Here's a good article:

Thanks for your contributions, BluesSinger; I had been away for a few days and trying to clear up Admin's splicing of my threads that have made absolutely no sense; still trying to clear the last batch up - I wish I had gotten to you sooner.

It's great that you've talked about moods. I wish science had a way to look at brains BEFORE autopsy to find differences in neural pathways some people probably have that make life more difficult for them. Perhaps your brain chemistry book is the next best thing that we have at this point.

As of this week I find an added dimension: I'm intensely interested in the roles hormones play during the cleansing crisis as we wean ourselves away from both foods that are on the avoids list, and even foods we know we are eating too much of to begin with, but may not know why. And right now, PROGESTERONE is the hormone I wish I could absolutely SILENCE in our body's "Town Hall Meeting" this week...so badly I wish I could tie it to the chair and gag it!

For example, today around 2pm, before a significant hormonal shift (which I regularly expect, on said day, one day of the month, which lasts about 6 hours total, and is part of a massive cleanse).....of all things being released amidst the hormones were my last bulimic binge foods.....suddenly for about an hour (and a miserable one, at that) I could taste pastries I had eaten at least 7 days in the past coming up in my mouth, on my tongue.....and I was literally FREAKING OUT. It was like I was eating them all over again, although I wasn't eating a thing. "Ghost food."

In my perplexity I am split between 2 hypothesis: were the hormones in the cleanse loosening old, undigested food particles in the body, OR, was this an awful throwback to "autophage" (cells of the body consuming old cells built in the past from avoids we had been eating frequently?)

As the old Tootsie Roll Pop commercial used to say: "The world may never know!"

Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, September 28, 2012, 10:46pm; Reply: 28

I only can say yessss about Traumeel remedy...as Yaeli mentioned ;) ;D...

btw.. I do have one very hard patient about in his mid-50ties and he is that obese coz of overeating... he can't eat normally- allways masses and he can't manage it even when he tries... his problem is merely *the agreement never ever eating something you dislike* and as he's trained on coke and has a sweet tooth... you can immagine..... :o :-/(mad)(shrug)

Even that he knows he's now in the process of syndrome x with all his inconviniences...and dangers.... he isn't able to stop.....I can't help him out when he can't change his agreement... sorry impossible.... :'(

I only can say yessss about Traumeel remedy...as Yaeli mentioned ;) ;D...

btw.. I do have one very hard patient about in his mid-50ties and he is that obese coz of overeating... he can't eat normally- allways masses and he can't manage it even when he tries... his problem is merely *the agreement never ever eating something you dislike* and as he's trained on coke and has a sweet tooth... you can immagine..... :o :-/(mad)(shrug)

Even that he knows he's now in the process of syndrome x with all his inconviniences...and dangers.... he isn't able to stop.....I can't help him out when he can't change his agreement... sorry impossible.... :'(

Get him to read The Mood Cure. Or maybe if you have.. get him going on Amino Acids. I'm sure his brain chemistry is WACK which causes his awful cravings and inability to say no or stay on the right track.

Posted by: Goldie, Saturday, September 29, 2012, 2:33pm; Reply: 30

I would try even 5HTP as well as it strengthened my 'back bone'..

add minerals and remember we can only do what is inside of us.. if we are empty there is no strength..

Here is a dieting way that might work for everyone.. BTD specific if done right..

Although I haven't purchased anything like Traumeel recently, I am going to toss up these 2 sites I found THIS MORNING since I was struggling with the "nutrients I need in nuts, oils, and carbs" for the BILLIONTH time, and wanted to sort out the unruly "Town Hall Meeting" that was in chaos this morning. I'm liking these 2 websites very much!:

After all, one can only hope to benefit from how often they notice themselves getting depleted of substances, instead of having to swallow almost an eighth of a cup of vitamins/minerals along with a meal...if one happens to skip a day of vitamins......UGH!!!!!!(mad)......these need to be pulverized into liquid form.....(dead)(dissappointed)(dizzy)

Seraffa..The above link to the diet plan is not so much for the time, nor the foods.. just the ideas.. like eating the same foods for several days.. like eating certain (swami list trumps all always) combinations, at certain times .. certainly not late night eating unless one is a night time worker..

You have come along way Seraffa from a year ago.. You will get better as long as you keep it all together... hahaha

But yes!!!!! going through the issues of aging is for the proverbial birds.. we all have to face it at different stages in our life.. (Passages / books by Sheean)

At 39 it frees us from responsibility for others=we say: NO more - been there- done that. At 42 we recognize that it is to late for the making babies, but still the best years for sex and loving. At 50 or onset of meno PAUSE we better decide to sit and read Suzanne Somers books on hormones.. her early ones.. At 60 well.. the question of.. is it too much trouble to go out and be social? NEVER.At 65, at least you get Social Security to help pay for supplements haha ... at 67 - heck might as well accept it, I will be on old lady some day.. like when I do not wish to carry heavy bags.. haha down size my hand bag to 4 inches, leave all the rest of the stuff in a different bag in the car trunk for the twice a year when I may need it.. why carry it?

....So you see you have a way to go.. Laugh when someone holds the door open for you, or gives you the Tuesday discount for old people ...haha

The antidote and cure for all is- less sugar in your food and more walking- by parking far away from your destination.. and take the steps as often as there is a choice.. 5 flights are just right..

And dare anyone to be more then you are.. make sure they lose.! .! after all you are a BTD person.. knowing so much more...... ;D

Posted by: Amazone I., Saturday, October 6, 2012, 10:58am; Reply: 38

hmmm I nearly tried all orthomolecula modalities with this man.. but it seems he's that toughy mentally and resists all about his own agreements... :-/ he knows that he should change but he isn't willing coz he doesn't sees nor accepts the need for changes..... :o(oh)(shrug)(eek)(dissappointed).... often people only can learn the *hard way*.... it must really hurt...and hurt...and hurt again that remembering for changes might be allowed and happen.... :X

Must be honest... those therapist killers aren't that seldom...... :o(dizzy)(whistle)(mad)

hmmm I nearly tried all orthomolecula modalities with this man.. but it seems he's that toughy mentally and resists all about his own agreements... :-/ he knows that he should change but he isn't willing coz he doesn't sees nor accepts the need for changes..... :o(oh)(shrug)(eek)(dissappointed).... often people only can learn the *hard way*.... it must really hurt...and hurt...and hurt again that remembering for changes might be allowed and happen.... :X

Must be honest... those therapist killers aren't that seldom...... :o(dizzy)(whistle)(mad)

THE STRUGGLE COMMENCES AGAIN; this time, the battlefield is much smaller, and with definite perameters to finally "kill" this thing, because now I know from my mother's genetic history HOW I have inheirited bulimia, and under what circumstances.

(GYN's haven't lifted a finger over the years to test me for my hirsuitism........this is more sad than I ever realised, considering so MANY women out there are GYN's; they must be too full of themselves to care anymore. TRUTH.)

I have had a slip for 2 days now.....thread got yanked and placed over on my "Seraffa" thread - what happened is there's a hormone fluctuation going on 5 days before my mense.....so the dreaded "ghost food" effect started coming back up into my mouth......(this is the call for help over on the "Seraffa" thread)...I was so desperate for answers last night...praying, praying, praying hard....liquorice seemed to blunt only 1 craving (milk products), and I took all my supplements today, but my 24 hour liver processing cycle as an Explorer is what kicks in at the end of the small intestine and junction with the large intestine....and that's why the addictive cravings show up the second day: the black dot/addictive food has not yet gotten all the way through the digestive system after 12 hours, and puts me in danger of a repeat binge each and every time.

I've read over on LIVESTRONG about how people are trying to reduce the effect of POS and/or overly abundant testosterone. It seems for me, a critical part of this is to give the liver emergency help when there is an upswing or surge of androgens/progesterone building before the mense actually happens.

A lot of androgens were expelled via the toilet last night, and I felt tons better, but the celiac allergy to wheat was still in my system, and I've gone through the 2nd binge today.....unwillingly, and with resentment.

I"M SO CLOSE to eradicating this thing.......It's like shaking your fist at DEATH and MORTALITY, and cursing at them.....

My comment is: would anyone like to testify or back me up on usage of the Explorer Liver Cleanse twice a month - during the fluctuations of the progesterone/estrogen, to make sure my system can "flush out" the afflicting hormone that triggers my bulimia, within a reasonable amount of time?

Seraffa..The above link to the diet plan is not so much for the time, nor the foods.. just the ideas.. like eating the same foods for several days.. like eating certain (swami list trumps all always) combinations, at certain times .. certainly not late night eating unless one is a night time worker..

You have come along way Seraffa from a year ago.. You will get better as long as you keep it all together... hahaha

But yes!!!!! going through the issues of aging is for the proverbial birds.. we all have to face it at different stages in our life.. (Passages / books by Sheean)

At 39 it frees us from responsibility for others=we say: NO more - been there- done that. At 42 we recognize that it is to late for the making babies, but still the best years for sex and loving. At 50 or onset of meno PAUSE we better decide to sit and read Suzanne Somers books on hormones.. her early ones.. At 60 well.. the question of.. is it too much trouble to go out and be social? NEVER.At 65, at least you get Social Security to help pay for supplements haha ... at 67 - heck might as well accept it, I will be on old lady some day.. like when I do not wish to carry heavy bags.. haha down size my hand bag to 4 inches, leave all the rest of the stuff in a different bag in the car trunk for the twice a year when I may need it.. why carry it?

....So you see you have a way to go.. Laugh when someone holds the door open for you, or gives you the Tuesday discount for old people ...haha

The antidote and cure for all is- less sugar in your food and more walking- by parking far away from your destination.. and take the steps as often as there is a choice.. 5 flights are just right..

And dare anyone to be more then you are.. make sure they lose.! .! after all you are a BTD person.. knowing so much more...... ;D

I'm greedy, Goldie. I LIKE using my mother's grocery Senior Discount Card, and people let me do it. In another 7 years I qualify for AARP and also "Senior Citizen Housing" when age 55. You could say I'm heading up the walkway towards the doorstep (whistle)(ondrugs)

I saw your post about the mammogram. I'm sending you best wishes and hugs about your biopsy ((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))

That's cool, SquarePeg; the only more revealing thing we should have now in every American home is a flat screen "electronic map" of the body -- the circulatory system turning different colors for different nutrients we ingest, and the system going a "cautionary" color when we have sat in front of our other "flat screens" for too long being a couch potato after the avoids and the stupid fast-food meals everyone seems to live on (mad) not to mention cigarettes.....

Imagine if you could follow disease developing in your body, minute by minute......we would have a more sober world than what we've got now.

This is going to sound very rude but its posted in good faith. Is anyone actually.going.to read or respond to my query regarding the.liver cleanse? It was THE MOST important of my recent posts about my setback....

Posted by: Drea, Monday, October 22, 2012, 12:37am; Reply: 44

I read your post, but as I don't have any experience with cleanses, I have nothing useful to offer. :-/

My comment is: would anyone like to testify or back me up on usage of the Explorer Liver Cleanse twice a month - during the fluctuations of the progesterone/estrogen, to make sure my system can "flush out" the afflicting hormone that triggers my bulimia, within a reasonable amount of time?

I also read it, but being a man, without the experience of menses and very little experience with liver cleanse, didn't have anything to offer - except knowing that there is little chance of the cleanse in the book hurting you. I just have no knowledge of whether it will benefit this issue...

Sounds like I might need some of these herabl remedies, I have never tried any of these.

I am mentally exhausted by thinking about what to eat.

Good luck Seraffa, I am sure you will be fine.

I don'T FEEL fine tonight. I feel like I need opioids and a hormone cleanse and a vacation and servants working at my house. THATS how I feel. It's a horrible feeling. I have a headache. I ate too much poultry this afternoon. I don't feel like I can manage my body at all tonight because I'm not sure where to start. It's terrifying trying to be an expert at dodging this genetic condition. It's a burden of responsibility I wish I didn't have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone!

Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, October 25, 2012, 4:16pm; Reply: 49

Seraffa, I love the chart on food cravings from the naturopathyworks site. I've been doing better but till reaching for the chocolate. Do better some days then others, so perhaps I need to up my magnesium. I need to explore this site more later. Have you gotten the free book? If so what did you think of it? I don't like getting put of lists (by these sites) I'm always worried I'll keep getting sales pitches from them.

Posted by: deblynn3, Thursday, October 25, 2012, 4:26pm; Reply: 50

Going by the chart, Chocolate, acid foods, I'd say I need to up my magnesium, I was eating Almonds, walnuts like crazy, but that made me put on more weight. Perhaps taking extra sups, until my levels are up than see if I can keep them up by eating appropriate amounts of healthy foods.

Seraffa, I love the chart on food cravings from the naturopathyworks site. I've been doing better but till reaching for the chocolate. Do better some days then others, so perhaps I need to up my magnesium. I need to explore this site more later. Have you gotten the free book? If so what did you think of it? I don't like getting put of lists (by these sites) I'm always worried I'll keep getting sales pitches from them.

Hey there.. I've been having massive success by following a couple of books.. The Diet Cure by Julia Ross is the one I would recommend to you RIGHT NOW!!!! It will help you gain a foothold to say NO as the supp's recommended for your 'personal issues' begin to get rid of your cravings. Hand in hand with following your Swami or BTD or GTD - whichever you are using - to as close to 100% compliancy as you can - and you soon you will be free of all the MADNESS of cravings. I HATE THEM. They are horrid and awful to deal with and anyone who has never had them has no idea what's it like to be driven to the brink by cravings.

Please take care of yourself now before some awful disease process takes hold and then you have to work on battling that off which is what I am doing now. But I would not listen to anyone about getting myself going on Swami fully mostly because the addiction cravings were in control.

Now I'm willing to do what it takes and work toward a pain free happy life.

Plus I found a couple of sites with great compliant chocolate bars that I eat once a day. I can actually stop after one and NOT want to eat the entire package.. which is SHOCKING.

Hello.I.got.delayed this week thumbs up.to.everyone posting; no did not.get the free.bookdeblynn when I can get to Starbucks for.internet usage maybe ill.check it out....and thank you for your report bluessinger.I have a comment to make as someone with too many androgens in my body...so far the grain free diet I'm on has worked.dramatically on my bodyand lessened hormonesfor clearer thinking but at the same time if.I eat too much compliant.cheese at once.my.g

all.blazer.wont handle.it and I throw up.later with abunch of bile.am.going.back to.baccopa.to continue to temper my cortisol release.or.may try something stronger.that a type.B would.use as I judge myself to be more.B-ish.in corrosion overload. This week was not easy and I lost my ability to socialize normally and was into isolating and workaholism.out of fear oailure or fear of.losing my job or.just plainFear period. Its so much.easier to work on my BTD than it is my emotions sometimes. I am worn outand used extra.magnesium.yesterday to help.me.vet a grip on things

I wanted to say...why do we need all those tricks and tracks to overcome *victimizing ourselfs*.... ??) ??) ??).....while observing the observer you automatically come to the agreement: no-body is nor has....so tell me who's suffering then ??)....it's all about identifying with this and that... I am NOT this nor that....(shrug)(naughty)(smarty)

Once upon the times my ex once asked me to choose betweene *being hammer or amboss(anvil)*... I only was able to choose being *the air between.....* ;) ;D

I wanted to say...why do we need all those tricks and tracks to overcome *victimizing ourselfs*.... ??) ??) ??).....while observing the observer you automatically come to the agreement: no-body is nor has....so tell me who's suffering then ??)....it's all about identifying with this and that... I am NOT this nor that....(shrug)(naughty)(smarty)

It would have been so simple if this could be done via logic alone. Some sufferings assumed in infancy are so well rooted, that the person can't get it, can't even imagine, that they are not at all a part of his self.

Posted by: Amazone I., Monday, October 29, 2012, 2:15pm; Reply: 58

yup true Yaeli shatzala- but with those questions I merely wanted to point out and ask: what make me..me??) True self etc... it always is relatedf to something...some-body etc... this is the casus cnackus... how to find our keys to ourselfs ;) :D.....I guess also this very moment might be called *illumination* ??) ;) ;D.... :X if this is really existing...,.(smarty)(whistle)(clown)/the sequences entre me and not me ;) ;D....)

This is an easy one: :D Your qualities make you you! The special fabric of qualities your soul has acquired through many many lives and experiences, which accumulate from life to life, and which nothing can take away from you. They are your treasure and source of your special powers, from which you contribute and influence your fellow men/women.

beautiful words... great... but ok what makes me me is also an act of identification... what's about the idea that to be or to have is completely empty and needs always a sort of compagnon....??) !... The I is a conceptual thought and can't stay allone...it must be followed by words about ...........whatever...;) ;D... :B

I myself am a most headstrong stiff-necked child. The above is a golden way. It gives the loving environment necessary for doing the work and for healing.

God bless you for recommending this but I've already done years of this kind of stuff. This is a physiological brain chemistry disease. Yes stress from not addressing inner issues adds to the cravings as those things affect the hormonal levels that cause cravings.. but any stress in life does that. The key to a addicts recovery is to find a strong base to stand on while they work on those kind of inner stresses.. so they can begin to feel strong and not reach for their drug of choice i.e. sugar, white flour products, booze, hard core drugs or whatever that keeps them in the crazy shameful guilty cycle of the addiction.

I have been up and down the mountainous journey of diet books, addiction books, therapy books, private therapy, group therapy, and I have spent thousands and thousands on this addiction. I have finally had some success by taking specific amino acids for my starving brain and the cravings have stopped. Yes i still sometimes get affected by stress and wanting to just eat mindlessly, but the key is that now i can say no. My brain has been getting what it needs FINALLY after years and years of starving and trying to make itself feel better with the dopamine and seratonin hits of sugar and junk which never work long term and keep an addict in that horrific cycle.

I did have 3 months of great stability back in 08 when following the GTD strongly but my mood was blah.. low level depressed; and doing everything the book said to do with the supp's and foods just didn't quite get me there. I have a deficient brain.. I came in with it. My Mom is still a hard core sugar addict and my entire line of family on both sides were alcoholics and drug addicts.. everyone was addicted with hungry brains. But this science was not available to them.

So i'm so grateful that Julia Ross wrote those two books.. which God helped me find after 45 years of extreme misery trying to gain a foot hold from this addiction demon. Now I take my aminos and follow my Swami and am working to heal my joints and the damage done from all those years of awful eating. And finally I can say no when the cravings from a stressful situation come along.

the real power here is to be able to stop all interactions and being capable to stay only the observer without any judgements ;)

A propos perceptive vs. judgmental, here is a quesion which bothers me constantly, being SO hopelessly judgemental, me ISTJ: Could you PLEASE give me an example of a significant perception which is NOT judgemental? ??) ;D (think)(dizzy)(goofy)(dissappointed)Thank you.

Seraffa, I love the chart on food cravings from the naturopathyworks site.

I love it too. The rationale stays: When sensing a craving coming (can smell it coming like a storm) - grab a kohlrabi or two. But you must have them ready at hand!

Another supporting point, not for first aid yet useful in the long run, is paying attention to the natural sweetness in some vegetables. Kohlrabi and red bell pepper have considerable sweetness, they are juicy like fruits and much more refreshing.

No...this is not a newsreel! --- it is a report on that Indian ayurvedic herb that has been able to start replacing the myriad of other stress-reducing herbs I keep around.....

HOW I ESCAPED THE LATEST BULIMIC EPISODE: Yet another harrowing detail....the past few days in Houston have been clogged with every kind of imaginable weed, pollen, mold, spore, seed, grass and construction dust in all corners....and the demon disease reared its head again trying to take me by force. What a terrifying 12 hours it developed into -- being frightened to even set foot inside the local Fiesta markets for fear of "pulling the trigger" of the gun all bulimics are "born pointed at their heads with"......I thought I would lose that day and be swept into the undertow of destruction and disease-generated depression following the looming binge...but with God's help I did NOT......how I escaped....I obeyed the half of the craving that was involving one of my superfoods (sweet potato), white-knucked the half that was my AVOID (wheat empanadas)......strode in...grabbed my first ever bottle of pure ELDERBERRY SYRUP..got the Hell out of there.....drove like a maniac accross town with sneezing and itching and headaches and dry spasmadic coughing still plaguing me over the last 36 hours...and arrived at the Vitamin Shoppe to GRAB the first available bottle of ashwaganda (on a hunch and with many looks at internet references)...bit the first capsule....swallowed it down with no water....

20 minutes later......it was as if none of the bad things whatsoever in my whole week had happened....as if they were a distant memory for the rest of the evening......as if I had just spend the afternoon talking to a good confidante and was on my way home without a care in the world.....and that g-d**n disease known as BULIMIA was not only QUIET but had EXITED THE TOWN HALL MEETING NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in TOWN AT ALL!!

More ashwaganda, more spirulina, more panthotenic acid, more salmon oil, more linden tea, more elderberry syrup, and a hearty vegetarian dinner....and my spasmodic coughing went down by 85%....slept like a baby with REM dreams (which I have not had for quite a long while).....woke up absolutely refreshed and ready to take on life with a good outlook.

As soon as I get a breather....I will start wearing a Teal colored awareness ribbon for the END BULIMAREXIA NERVOSA movement EVERYWHERE and I will NOT be ashamed to speak about it openly in public when there is occasion to do so!

A propos perceptive vs. judgmental, here is a quesion which bothers me constantly, being SO hopelessly judgemental, me ISTJ: Could you PLEASE give me an example of a significant perception which is NOT judgemental? ??) ;D (think)(dizzy)(goofy)(dissappointed)Thank you.

Not Amazone and probably not as professional but for me a perception is the ability to identify/describe feelings/actions beyond what is apparent. Judgemental is when the description/experience of what is happening or what has happened, or even perceived is accompanied by a judgment; whether the action/feeling etc is correct/appropriate/(or any other evaluative adjective).

EJ. Perception: She has eaten above the recommended portions. Judgmental: She made the mistake of eating above the recommended portions; her lack of discipline made her eat above the recommended portions.

Hey everybody (ondrugs) glad to be back for a few days; hope we chat on during Thanksgiving!

Added MACA to my repertoire for extra hypothalamus protection under stress.It worked, even on my worst days! (had to prevent that hypthalamus from wanting to go "out of balance".)

Am having to mind my calcium also (shrug) I feel undernourished and wasting away without it.

But I would like to read a book on "building your social family" and whatnot; I need more people in my life to alter my daily perceptions of things. :) Am not sure who to add, where, or when! THAT would be a great Thanksgiving Day receipie :)

Don't know what your above post was exactly about, Amazone, but thanks for posting.Been having flare-ups recently. More centered around not having enough rest or something with my gut; again variety of food with the gut is a key, but today I had an allergy based flare-up of bulimia before I could get home to take my allergy protocol.So I got to thinking about all the efforts in Sweden made on bulimic research and thought "hmmm what if I went there one year and told them about my saga?" SAdly, I pulled up some new info about a corporation both in Sweden and America that treats anorexics and bulimics, but there is NOTHING NEW WHATSOEVER that they are doing, and note it says sufferers stay well for "a minimum of one year" after treatment. This is just classic type of hospital program procedure for in-patients -- repeatedly showing people how much to eat for satiety is not going to cut it. Even if you DO hypnotize them at the same time (ha ha)

Been wondering - if anyone cares to post - how many temptations towards avoids do you still have (and during what situatons) do we have that might occasionally suck us back into the eating disorder? if you answer please include how long your healing period has been on the BTD, GTD or SWAMI so far. Thank you. :)

Been wondering - if anyone cares to post - how many temptations towards avoids do you still have (and during what situatons) do we have that might occasionally suck us back into the eating disorder? if you answer please include how long your healing period has been on the BTD, GTD or SWAMI so far. Thank you. :)

Well.. I'm 12 days in and I'm free of cravings and slowly feeling better and better everyday! I'm getting stronger on my exercise routines and totally committed to my sanity now.. which of course relates directly to what I put in my gut and how I feed my brain! My Swami is working wonderfully and I eat VERY FEW avoids if any. One might slip in here and there.

I've learned all the 'slippery slopes' and that I need to prepare for them before they arrive as much as I can. I am attending OA meetings which in my area have been wonderful.. the support and similar stories are awesome and let me know I'm not alone in this crazy killing disease.

I am committed to my abstinence using my Swami as my eating routine. I want to LIVE.. really live! Be healthy and happy and not driven to insanity by sugar, bad flours and junk. That has been my life for at least 40 years. I'm ready to heal now. One step at a time.

I've completely cut out all white sugar, bad flours and anything that's not on my Swami.

So that's my report and i'm sticking to it!!!!

:P

Posted by: Amazone I., Friday, May 31, 2013, 7:02am; Reply: 79

the biggest and most harmful temptation here is nothing but our identification in : I am this.... and I have this or that... :o :-/ :P :XGive yourself the chance for quicker healing by implementing another language to your body; this means: my body shows up symptoms like.... trallala & cha-cha-cha... so far you enable yourself to change inputs... so outputs will change outomatically ;) ;D :K) wish you all the best :K)(sunny)

Please join us here at Dr. D'Adamo's and make tragedies like Laura's a thing of the past! (dove)

Posted by: wayland B+, Friday, September 27, 2013, 1:22am; Reply: 81

That is so sad to hear about what happened to Laura Ferguson. Reminds me of what happened to Karen Carpenter. :(

Posted by: Goldie, Friday, September 27, 2013, 5:02pm; Reply: 82

I am having big issues for now .. eating all that I see, and no means to stop me.. I am not struggling with my breast cancer, I will be fine, but ever since the diagnisis, and upcoming surgery, I am hving a great appetite for all that I see.

I am not in my house just now for another two days, and I had all sort of foods here that are not good for me, and yet I ate the foods, for whatever excuse I can make.

I am not upset but my mind or body seems to have issues. I actually ended up in urgent care, I was so stopped.. now I am actually taking some metamusal just to see if keeping the moisture in my intestines and all things moving out.. I wonder if it might change my out of control behavior.. I expect that moving things will remove some calories, and also help with cholesterol.. someone said it binds to cholesterol and removes it... any ideas?

I also have a shoulder pain that started in February, and while it is getting better with Prolo, it still has one little spot that hurts and when I hurt I eat..

I am having big issues for now .. eating all that I see, and no means to stop me.. I am not struggling with my breast cancer, I will be fine, but ever since the diagnisis, and upcoming surgery, I am hving a great appetite for all that I see.

I am not in my house just now for another two days, and I had all sort of foods here that are not good for me, and yet I ate the foods, for whatever excuse I can make.

I am not upset but my mind or body seems to have issues. I actually ended up in urgent care, I was so stopped.. now I am actually taking some metamusal just to see if keeping the moisture in my intestines and all things moving out.. I wonder if it might change my out of control behavior.. I expect that moving things will remove some calories, and also help with cholesterol.. someone said it binds to cholesterol and removes it... any ideas?

I also have a shoulder pain that started in February, and while it is getting better with Prolo, it still has one little spot that hurts and when I hurt I eat..

(((We're with you, Goldie))) it's so good to see you whenever you post!(hugegrin)I have heard that said about metamucil before but moreso psyllium husk in general.

Posted by: Goldie, Sunday, September 29, 2013, 12:20pm; Reply: 84

Interesting last posts.. I will share with a friend.. or should i think of me when reading shock? Maybe I ought to consider that my body knows more about me then I do? is it feeling all the (medical) intrusions into ME?

as for the metamusil.. I have taken it 3 days in a row.. - I seem to have good results from it. I might even feel full rather than being constantly looking for food. I will continue taking it until Wednesday and then suspend until the (breast) surgery is over with.

I have a million excuses for eating, I see and I want, then I also forget that I ought not eat some item to begin with.. my brain functions much better after I eat extra's then before I ate it.

Just now i am sitting here and feel so contented.. I wish I would feel that way all day. In truth, I have nothing to worry me. So why get out of control later?so annoying.

Interesting last posts.. I will share with a friend.. or should i think of me when reading shock? Maybe I ought to consider that my body knows more about me then I do? is it feeling all the (medical) intrusions into ME?

as for the metamusil.. I have taken it 3 days in a row.. - I seem to have good results from it. I might even feel full rather than being constantly looking for food. I will continue taking it until Wednesday and then suspend until the (breast) surgery is over with.

I have a million excuses for eating, I see and I want, then I also forget that I ought not eat some item to begin with.. my brain functions much better after I eat extra's then before I ate it.

Just now i am sitting here and feel so contented.. I wish I would feel that way all day. In truth, I have nothing to worry me. So why get out of control later?so annoying.

Goldie interestingly enough when I was in the monastery, long before BTD, I became tiny and skinny through contstant walking and labor, and chose high protein meals to keep going. I lived on canned mackerel, katsup, diet ice cream and METAMUCIL.....because yes I was still hungry, and it kept me full. There you go. :B

Well, I guess if life wasn't a series of transitions and progressions, it would be perfect, and so would our emotions. :P

Posted by: misspudding, Sunday, June 8, 2014, 2:15am; Reply: 86

Interesting that this post is here from a few years back. Guess it was the poll.

My biggest trigger for compulsive overeating has always been wheat/oats/gluten. It's like a light switch. I had anorexia/exercise bulimia in high school. My binges were always cheese sandwiches on white Wonderbread. LOL. I get a very bad reaction to wheat (I get migraines, joint pain, etc.), so it's pretty easy to avoid these days. But it's interesting thinking back to that...there really is no other food that triggers me as bad as bread.

Interesting that this post is here from a few years back. Guess it was the poll.

My biggest trigger for compulsive overeating has always been wheat/oats/gluten. It's like a light switch. I had anorexia/exercise bulimia in high school. My binges were always cheese sandwiches on white Wonderbread. LOL. I get a very bad reaction to wheat (I get migraines, joint pain, etc.), so it's pretty easy to avoid these days. But it's interesting thinking back to that...there really is no other food that triggers me as bad as bread.

It's only going on 2 years old, but I'm proud to have started it; with FORTY THOUSAND VIEWS (whether outsiders completely understand it or not) it's a statement to women on the web who still suffer from bulimia that >>>>>there is a sure hope<<<<< and I'm proud to have changed my signature to PROVE it. The web is teeming with women who still haven't found the dietary key to their bulimia and are still struggling to eradicate it completely. As in my case....it went beyond obvious grains to other hidden things entirely; avoids that the Paleo followers haven't got a clue about yet. I was still a bulimic while eating Paelo. Epic Fail.

Thanks girls, for the re-emergence of this thread!! Be proud in your recovery!!