What makes it a surplus, is the fact that a federal budget does not include the interest rate of existing debt. The budget was a surplus, but the spending was not, due to the the interest. Interest, that in your chart equaled to 15% of Clinton's whole budget. The fact that Clinton's budget surplus was not large enouph to cover interest, does not negate his surplus. It should have gone to pay for at least part of the interest, but a Bush tax cut nuked it.

I'm unaware of any definition of "budget" that doesn't count "interest" as an expense.

i can tell you for an absolute fact that this is not accurate. a couple of weeks ago my cousin was hit by a hit-and-run driver in new orleans. the cops didnt bother to try to find the driver. the hospitals refused to treat him because he had no insurance. they actually released him, his dad had to drive down from tennessee to get him. the injury? his thigh was laid open almost to the bone from about 3 inches from his pelvis to about 2 inches from his knee

and was the doctor that turned him away bigfoot and the cops loch ness monsters?
I don't buy this for one sec.

"A liberal: someone who thinks he knows more about your experience than you do." - James A. Baldwin

If you walk into a hospital bleeding, you're not going to walk out in the same condition unless it's your choice. If you do, you essentially have grounds for legal action.

No, you may get carried out in a casket.

Originally Posted by Masark

People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.

Sometimes life gives you lemons, other times life gives you boobies. Life is always better with more boobies.
Blizzard removed my subscription from WoD's features, it'll be added sometime later.
And thus I give you: MALE contraception!

It'd make my job so much easier if that were the case. Hospitals aren't fined in that situation. Although it varies by injury, they're sued. And if they don't settle out of court, they get drilled by juries.

The definition of stabilize is a lot more detailed in the healthcare community.

Hospitals and indeed most companies will try to settle out of court for lawsuits. A, open court lawsuit will follow you around forever, a settlement won't.

The cancer of this world is not SJWs. It is not feminists. It is not white men. It is not Christians. The cancer of this world is hate. The cancer of this world is feminists who hate men. It is SJWs who hate people with opinions. It is white men who hate women and blacks. It is Christians who hate gays. Stop being a hateful person. Just be a person. A person who is kind and does not obsess over hating others. There are feminists, SJWs, white men and Christians who do not hate.

and was the doctor that turned him away bigfoot and the cops loch ness monsters?
I don't buy this for one sec.

why should you? you dont believe absolute facts presented to you that arent in agreement with your preconceived notions, so i wouldnt expect you to believe what i admit is anecdotal evidence. but i know the people involved and the truth of the matter, so whatever

There's no question that the deficits were extremely tiny under Clinton. None whatsoever.

We should have certainly continued along that path.

What's completely farcical is the idea that some people have that there was no debt under Clinton and Bush squandered that.

Right, Bush didn't magically create 14 trillion dollars in debt, it's been there for decades. The economy was just healthy enough and the budget balanced enough and Congress was actually willing to compromise and get things done that we weren't losing money so horribly.

Originally Posted by Masark

People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.

Sometimes life gives you lemons, other times life gives you boobies. Life is always better with more boobies.
Blizzard removed my subscription from WoD's features, it'll be added sometime later.
And thus I give you: MALE contraception!

The phrase people should be using is that there was a primary surplus. That's accurate, and shouldn't mislead anyone that's familiar with the nomenclature.

But, for those who are not familiar, shouldn't the budget without interest be enouph of an explanation? It was this justification, which ignored the interest on the debt, that was used for the Bush tax cuts.

But, for those who are not familiar, shouldn't the budget without interest be enouph of an explanation? It was this justification, which ignored the interest on the debt, that was used for the Bush tax cuts.

I don't care, personally, what the justification was for the Bush tax cuts. They were stupid to leave in place as he decided to go to war.

I don't care, personally, what the justification was for the Bush tax cuts. They were stupid to leave in place as he decided to go to war.

This is my feeling as well. Whatever else can be said of Bush's tax policy, I firmly disagree with the idea of conducting a war and allowing the public to not even feel a financial hit from it. War weariness has a positive purpose.

Yeah - that poor soul has to willingly sacrifice his staff for Obamacare....

...but the good news is his competitors (who face the same problem) instead of laying off their key staff of expert pizza makers would simply increase the prices of their pizzas by $1. Not only would the extra income take care of any new taxes pressed upon them, but they might have some surplus left over from any leftover residuals to hire the disenfranchised Pappa John's employees who are eager for revenge upon their former employer for being used as a political tool instead of looking at other options.

...and don't tell me that NOBODY would still buy their pizzas if they went up by a buck. Brand loyalty goes a long way... just ask any Blizzard fan. :P

Isn't it immature that you call him Donald "Dump"?
I agree, it's childish and stupid - and that's my point. it's meant as a deliberate mockery of his blatant disrespect via using "Crooked Hillary", and thus I can call him "Dump" since he dumps his campaign promises, dumps campaign managers, dumps his wives, wants to dump the first amendment, dumps common-sense war ethics and dumps the use of proper English in favor of a mongrel white-trash dialect.

Yeah - that poor soul has to willingly sacrifice his staff for Obamacare....

...but the good news is his competitors (who face the same problem) instead of laying off their key staff of expert pizza makers would simply increase the prices of their pizzas by $1. Not only would the extra income take care of any new taxes pressed upon them, but they might have some surplus left over from any leftover residuals to hire the disenfranchised Pappa John's employees who are eager for revenge upon their former employer for being used as a political tool instead of looking at other options.

...and don't tell me that NOBODY would still buy their pizzas if they went up by a buck. Brand loyalty goes a long way... just ask any Blizzard fan. :P

But therein lies the problem. If we say that pizza costs $10, $1 would be a 10% increase. If every company feeling the pressure from Obamacare raised their prices 10%, we'd be in even more trouble.

In a few months, most people won't even remember the lay-offs from Papa Johns. And when it's cheaper to buy pizza from PJs, people will do so.