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Comment by Andii

Extremely good for Hunters of all specs. Loads of DPS stats with no junk, and lots of agi. Better than T7 gloves IMO.

Comment by naughtynildo

Zivadira is absolutely correct. A large number of mail pieces have cropped up with haste and armour pen and for some reason there has been a large backlash against these two stats by hunter players. The fact is per item budget point both produce better DPS than crit, and with the coming nerf to steady shot lowering the value of AP and (to a lesser extent, since agility = AP and crit) agility, armour pen and haste will become per item point even better value to stack. In fact per item point armour pen has the single best return in DPS, unless the target has been hit with other penning abilities (sunder etc) in which case haste is the highest. When we get hit with the nerf bat in 3.08 the gap between these stats and the rest will only widen....

Comment by Bloodanger

In my opinion this is better then the t7 gloves for MM Hunters.

With these you gain:17 Agi16 AP36 Crit

But you lose:4 int26 Armor Pen35 Haste1 Socket.

Comment by naughtynildo

I have read a similar article on a different site, and the article is definitely correct in some points. Firstly, when a warrior is dropping sunders arpen is less affective, and secondly it is true that the less armour a mob packs the less armour is penned, since arpen now ignores a percentage of a mobs armour, not a flat rate. But note what I said, exactly. Every stat contributes to an item's budget, so we need to consider how much value has for it's budget cost on an item. Also notice, as I said, AP and agi are en route to a nerf for hunters. So that leaves crit, haste and arpen (after hitcapping of course) as better value stats to stack. As far as item budget is concerned, arpen will produce a better return than crit, and as a previous poster mentioned, for a BM hunter, haste as well. The article that you have referred to doesn't show the mathematics behind how arpen works. I wont show all the details, though a link will be provided below for the interested reader. As a very rough guide, on a mob with 13k armour, the first 15.39 arpen (or 1% armour reduction) will increase net DPS by around .47%. Consider gemslots. If you pop in a 16 crit rate gem you will get a .3485% crit increase. But that crit increase wont equal .3485% DPS, as crit rating only boosts damage on your percentage of non crit attacks. Of course this is again very simplified, hunters with talent points in mortal shots, gfft etc will get more out of crit than hunters without, but the DPS boost is still less than arpen. Ok, so what about when a warrior has performed a sunder armour technique? Arpen looks less effective now, right? True, now it only increases DPS (15.39 rating again) by about .38%. But that isn't the whole story. Consider this: firstly, rare quality armour pen gems are 16 rating, not 15.39, so they are more effective than the raw numbers above, secondly, as many people are aware, arpen does not stack in a linear fashion, unlike crit rating. So by the time you are capable of penning about 20% mob armour (sounds like a lot, but not hard to achieve with T7 gear, titanium impact band, red gems, vereesa's chain belt and pack ice strider boots) you have boosted net DPS by almost exactly 11% (or .55% per 15.39 rating), and a sundered opponent by 8.2%. By comparison, the equivalent number of points in crit rating (or 308) will give a crit increase of 6.71%. As previously mentioned, that crit increase does not equal net DPS, in reality it will be a little lower. The actual damage mechanics for arpen can be found at http://www.qqpewpew.com/2008/12/01/revisiting-armor-penetration-in-wrath. That site also does not look so favourably on the arpen, but doesn't consider the value of arpen on a point per point basis vs other stats. I hope this answers any questions or criticisms of my prior post. NB my appalling spelling is the reason for so many edits on this post

Comment by Zerazi

I have ran heroic VH at least 10 times now and have yet to see these drop, bad luck i suppose... :(

Comment by Appot

It is really great for enhancement shamans... cant wait to get it!

Comment by GabornValOrden

These gloves are easily accessible to enchance Shamans and hunters, as Violet hold is one of the popular heroic, conveniently located in Dalaran. In my onpinion, these are even better than what you can purchase with the T7 glove token http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39601.

Comment by Kinnis10

Yea it was a pritty nice upgrade on my survival hunter took me a couple trys to get it though. Yeah I didnt notice that it was a little better then T7 kind of weard for a heroic epic lol :-)

Comment by TheShockMon

nice epic hands for a heroic. i just received these in h violet hold on my shaman, seeing as i was the only mail wearer i chose to take it for an offspec (im resto right now). After i ran a few heroics i got a few badges and some nice gear for enhance. Im on the merge of farming enhance gear, used to be my favorite spec pre wotlk because it owned face. looking forward to using these gloves, perfect stats for a hunter or shaman. Or.....anything that could use it as an upgrade.....

Comment by sourceofevil

Awesome set of hands.....not just for shamans or hunters either...these gloves rock for a fury warrior....I wouldn't roll over either shammy or hunters for them (I got mine on a run without either class) but if they pass, jump on them.

^^^You must be having a bad string of luck...I've seen them drop quite often.

Comment by Holocron

As an added class, retribution paladins may take a great interest into this type of gear.As it stands, I currently have these on my retribution paladin (as nothing better have dropped thus far) and they give:520 HP510 Mana132 Attack Power2.03% Crit Chance

Pretty much perfect stats for what retribution paladins need.

Comment by staig101

Sick of waiting for these to drop I've been doing loads of runs

Comment by Kedrik7

I got this gloves on the first time i did VH i have had luck in hc so far they are so cool drop for a hc... I was ready to change em with the token of OS 25 but my 99 need roll was overuled by the last guy 100 roll :( anyway this are cool too