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Thursday, March 04, 2010

Telangana 51: My answers to questions for JP

I have taken liberty to answer some of the questions that Jayaprakash Narayan (JP) of Lok Satta was asked. In most cases JP was vague and completely evasive. He is not taking a stand on many questions. Here is my rebuttal.

kondal311: Do you mean politicians are using this sentiment for their gain. In 2004 elections TRS was part of UPA and during 2009 it joined hands with TDP. Almost all parties said they are OK for telangana during 2009 elections. Is it oppertunistic politics or Do we need Telangana really ?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: In our first-past-the-post system(our election system in which even one vote majority gives the victory to a candidate), parties are desperate to get a few more votes to be in power. So, they mean one thing, but say another thing. It is these short term political tactics which lead to this crisis.

Sujai: Yes, politicians are using this sentiment for their gain. Every political party in India, Congress, TDP, Praja Rajyam, TRS, and even those who are not contesting in Telangana, like NCP, Trinamool Congress, BSP has endorsed Telangana. They all want to get political mileage out of this sentiment. During British rule in India, Congress and Muslim League won most of the elections because they all said they are fighting for freedom. Just because some political parties have used a sentiment doesn’t mean the sentiment does not exist. Most of Telangana people want a separate state and they voted those parties which promised them Telangana, which happen to be many parties.

K Suresh:Good evening sir.Earlier we didnt see much responce from students on telengana issue.why do you think students are actively participatiing in telengana issue?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: Jobs are important, and there is a misplaced hope that everyone will get government jobs if a new state is created.

Sujai: Every great movement on the planet which brought about great changes for their people was carried out by students. The fight for freedom in Tiananmen Square in China was carried out by students; the fight against Vietnam War in US was carried out by students. Even the recent anti-Iraq War protests in US were carried out by students. The fact that there is a Black man as US president is a change the young people of United States brought about. Therefore, the fact that students are carrying out this movement in Telangana shows that it is beyond political parties and that it is truly a people’s movement. We should celebrate this instead of ridiculing it like JP is doing.

Yogeswar:In the same breath, I would like to know if Telangana is relevant at all. Though the question is very direct, i would like to know the answer in a holistic way.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: I have addressed this question in my earlier replies.

Sujai: Yes we need Telangana. It is a political decision that 3.5 Crore Telangana people are waiting for and demanding for. When two distinct regions exist within a region, and if one region continuously suppresses the voice of the other region using the clout of majority, flouting all safeguards and protections, creation of a new state is a practical solution.

srikanth:I'm more concerned with the development of hyderabad happened so far.Do you think hyderabad as an union territory will develop further or as a state capital of an unified andhra or telangana?.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We should not jump the gun at this stage. Let us calmly sit and resolve the issues.

Sujai: Making Hyderabad an UT just because some people have paid taxes to develop it or because some people feel they are not safe is a dangerous precedent for all cities in India. That way Mumbai and Bangalore will become UT right away. We should not deprive the regions of their cities. A city is crown jewel of a region. That region sacrifices a lot and diverts lot of attention and resources to a city to make it attractive for all immigrants to come and settle. Depriving Telangana of Hyderabad and making it a UT sets a wrong precedent in India. In future no city will allow immigrants after that.

sharif:What is your stand on Justice krishna's panel. is it political gimmick played by indian Govt.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: At this stage, we need a platform for peaceful dialogue. We also need an impartial body to gather views and to determine facts about development, discrimination, if any, and problems. Therefore, constitution of the Committee is a sensible step.

Sujai: There is no need to form a Committee at this stage. This is a delay tactic. We have reached a stage where people are looking for a political decision, not another statistical report. There have been many reports and many recommendations before this. What about them? All parties endorsed Telangana? What about them? So many agreements have been flouted, all promises broken? What about them?

Dinakar:Also Sir, the main point being raised by all these political leaders is "No-Development in the region". But in my view the main block for this was PWG. The same happened in districts like Sri Kakulum, Vijayanagaram etc. also, because of PWG. But since 2002, after govt. taking stern action against pwg, we are seeing lot of development in this region. Nobody is even looking in that aspect. Everybody is behind vote bank politics. what is your say?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: I have given plenty of statistical evidence to show that Telengana districts are growing fast economically. But we need to do a lot more im education, healthcare, skills, small towns development, agro-processing, rural power supply, infrstructure etc. But that is unrelated to seperate statehood.

Sujai: We are being made fools today. The statistical data showing percentage growth is flawed. A country like Ethiopia grows at 11.4% GDP while USA grows only at 2% GDP but the actual growth of USA in absolute numbers is thousands times more than the growth of Ethiopia. Impoverished regions show a very high percentage growth even if they make small progress. Telangana showing rapid growth is like Ethiopia growing. PWG came about because 1969 agitation for Telangana was ruthlessly suppressed. If we don’t give Telangana now there will be another wave of Naxalism in this region. Naxalism takes roots when there is no development and not the other way round.

PC:Sir, What do you feel would be the best strategy on Hyderabad just in case a separate telangana state forms. Would it be justice to Andhra in case Hyderabad forms only Telangana Capital? Would Telangana accept the idea of common capital?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: Any solution will have to be broadly acceptable to all. Let us wait and see

Sujai: Hyderabad belongs to Telangana because it resides in that region and also because it is linked to Telangana historically and culturally. Any bifurcation on this planet leads to one region getting the capital while the other region has to build a new one. The region which has to build a new capital should get funds. Common capital will not work mainly because Hyderabad lies inside Telangana; there is lot of mistrust amongst Andhras and Telanganas making it even more difficult.

Badal:Sir, As an ex IAS officer do you support separation of state. It is more of a political play rather than development need. More division means further more descimination and it will create more regionalism and hatred b/w AP and telangana people...

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: This is not a great moral question. We can decide either way provided all stake-holders are satisfied, national repercussions are addressed, and the real solution of district governments is implemented. Strong views are not necessary, as it is neither a catastrophe, nor a panacea.

Sujai: Yes, I do support more separation of states. India can easily accommodate another 20 states. More states results in giving voice and expression to many suppressed groups in India. It also leads to better administration and governance. More division does not lead to more discrimination because each region is now protected against the onslaught from another region. It minimizes discrimination. Hatred is more when you are forced to stay under the same state. Andhras would have hated Tamils more if they had been forced to stay in Madras State. Now, the hatred is almost nonexistent because they got separated before animosity became too much. It is better to let go of Telangana. That will immediately decrease hatred in the region.

pavva:Is it true that really telangana region losing their funds and water?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: - About funds - there is no discrimination whatsoever. - Regarding water, Telangana accounts for about 20% of the total catchment area of Krishna river. But Telangana contributes 263 TMC of water to the river, and is allotment 280 TMC for the projects in Telangana. Coastal Andhra region gets more because AP gets a higher share than the catchment; water always flows down-stream into the sea; and there is prior use of water in the coastal belt that established riparian rights for about 150 years. Clearly, there is no discrimination. Growth of irrigation in Telangana is much higher over the past 50 years - partly canal, partly bore-wells. But there has been no discrimination by governments. Geography gives each region same advantages, and causes some problems. Everything cannot be equally distributed.

Sujai: Yes. There has been discrimination towards Telangana for a very long time. Telangana does not get the share of waters it is supposed to get. Bachawat Tribunal guaranteed 260 TMC (41%) of Krishna water from Nagarjuna Sagar Dam, but Telangana gets only 185 TMC (30%). Clearly, there is lot of water that is being diverted to Andhra that actually belongs to Telangana. Canal water comes for practically free. Because Telanganas are not given their water, they have to depend on borewells. Right now, the situation in Telangana is grim because water tables are depleted and farmers have to try 7 to 8 attempts before they hit water. Those farmers who don’t hit water end up in big debts and commit suicide.

Yogeswar:Sir, This discussion is very intellectual. In order to make a common man who is a student or a villager in Telangana , who are seeing a great advantage in Telangana, understand that it is not the Panacea, what would you suggest?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: - Let each district have its own government. - Let all simple jobs go to locals - and let us create an authority to enforce it. - Let each village have Rs. 1000 per capital right away every year to take care of local problems. - Let us ensure that each child has real education, healthcare and skills to be able to stand up with dignity and self-reliance. This is the language everyone understands. We need this message to go everywhere - all over India.

Sujai: First Telangana, then sort out other problems, the way India sorted out many of its problems only when it became independent from British. JP should first implement his method in some place and show that it works before he tries to push another experiment onto Telangana people. He is giving ideal and romantic ideas instead of giving a practical solution to a real problem. Its like we are facing a war with a neighbor who possesses nukes, and he is preaching that all countries should get rid of their nukes.

mahesh:I need some clarification on what factor telangana districts are growing much faster than andhra region districts. Can u please ans me?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: I have presented many parameters and the growth in Telangana & rest of AP over 50 years. The facts speak for themselves. If you see the annual growth rates of gross district domestic product of various districts from 1994-95 to 2006-07, the facts are revealing. 1994-95 to 2006-07 - Annual average growth rate. AP: 6.68% Nalgonda: 7.38% Khammam: 6.99% Warangal: 7.57% Karimnagar: 7.53% Adilabad: 6.46% Nizamabad: 6.30% Medak: 7.34% Hyderabad: 10.41% Rangareddy: 9.32% Mahabubnagar: 8.34% Rayalaseema: Kurnool: 5.33% Ananthapur: 5.82% Cuddapah: 4.90% Chittoor: 4.73% coastal AP Nellore: 5.09% Prakasam: 6.80% Guntur: 4.81% Krishna: 7.01% West Godavari: 5.79% East Godavari: 6.46% Visakhapatnam: 9.65% Vizianagaram: 5.81% Srikakulam: 6.58% you can see these trends - these are long term trends aggregate economic growth over 13 years for each district. The facts speak for themselves.

Sujai: If you are going to JP for lessons in logic you may become really dumb. You may pass IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT exam but not fit for anything else in life. It is well-known fact that the more impoverished you are the faster you grow. Example: A younger brother who was earning 1000 starts earning 2000; it will result in 100% increase though the increase is only 1000, while the elder brother who was earning 150,000 starts earning 200,000; then the increase is only 33% though the absolute increase is 50,000. For an extremely stupid person, it looks like the younger brother is growing faster though the elder brother is doing much better. The absolute increase for the elder brother is 500 times more than the younger brother. Now you may want to check where JP got his degree from and never ever send your kid to that college.

pravik:Dear Sir it is interesting to observe that most of the people involved in Telangana moment are students....., Is there a real moment first of all, if so then why are Ordinery People not coming out...? I guess Ordinery man is more concerned of Job Opportunities, Local development, better education for there Kids & other basic needs....? Your response will be highly appreciated. - PRAVIK

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: A myth has been spread that if a State is formed, every youngster with 7th Class(!) qualification will get a job, and every acre will get irrigation. Both are myths. It is easy to fall prey to such propaganda. It is easier to think that someone else is the cause of our problems. This is an ages-old tactic employed by politicians to manipulate gullible people.

Sujai: In any movement, there are agitators, then organizers, then leaders and then a huge number of sympathizers. Right now, there are lakhs of people, ordinary people, government employees, teachers, bankers, miners, lawyers, etc, who show up for an event, like rallies, vanta-varpu, dhoom-dham, manavaharam, etc. They may not participate in the agitation on a daily basis. However, the students tend to participate and reflect the mood of the rest of the population. It is true of any movement on the planet.

venky:Dear Sir, Recently there were reports that Maoists are also getting involved in the Telangana agitations, what have you got to say?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We all have seen these reports. It is not unrealistic that those who believe in armed revolution will fish in troubled waters. The key problem is our political process and leadership, not Maoists.

Sujai: Just because communists with extremist views participated in our Independence Movement we cannot rubbish the entire movement. Most of the current Telangana movement has been non-violent – we should celebrate that.

srinath:Is broad consensus not needed for United Andhra?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: No government at the national level will act unilaterally without a broad agreement among all stakeholders in the State. This is true not only in a democracy like India, but even in dictatorships like China where large questions of ethnicity and statehood are decided.

Sujai: When a victim complains that he is being bullied, you cannot tell him, ‘Go get a consensus from the bully, only then I will protect you’. That’s the most idiotic thing I have seen in the current context. Our forefathers anticipated this problem and hence introduced Article 3 which allows a Parliament to decide the creation of new states without having to consult the bullies. Consensus with Andhras is not possible for Telanganas. All such suggestions should be rejected. Proper understanding of democracy is needed. Constitution of India does not seek consensus nor does it recognize a political party as a legal constituent. If the division within parties is clearly along regional lines, it is clear that most of Telangana leaders differ from their Andhra counterparts. That is called bipartisanship, a mood or idea that is accepted and endorsed by all elected leaders irrespective of their party allegiances. Such a scenario should be celebrated as a success of Indian democracy. Right now, what P Chidambaram is suggesting goes against all norms of a true democracy. He should read his Constitution once again and understand its true purport.

Arunn Bhagavathula:When more than 100 MLAs, MPs, Ministers and Chief Ministers from Telangana haven't done much to solve the problems of that area for more than 50 years.. can they be expected to solve them once a separate state is carved out?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: Problems exist all over the state. We need to find real solutions. Mean while we need to promote healthy debate and channelize our anger against centralized MLA-Officer raj, corruption, ugly politics and failure of education and healthcare.

Sujai: For many years, the entire British administration was handled by Indian leaders that were elected by the people of India. Did that actually mean we had freedom? Not really. Only when the entire government belonged to Indians, all the way from the top, did we actually feel free. The same is true for Telangana. Though there are hundreds of MLAs from Telangana, the majority of Andhras still prevails. There are many examples from the past where every demand from Telanganas was overturned.

Sarath Myneni:DO you think bifurcation of states that were formed on the basis of same language cause damage to the indian union integrity

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: It is hard to say. But any upsetting of linguistic reorganization has national level repercussions. Therefore a conscious decision should be taken by the national government, because it will fuel demands all over India. There are already about twenty demands for separate statehood after Dec 9, 2009

Sujai: Carving of states based in language was the wisest move that made sense in those times. But stopping ourselves to only language as the valid identity for statehood is the most foolish thing to do. It’s time we recognize other identities which have roots in history, culture, geography, and social conditions as valid identities and then take measures. Some identities deserve statehood; some others deserve protections – like reservations for women and lower castes. JP will not take a stand on any issue. He will give evasive answers even to the most practical questions.

S W Kamath:In a one city state that AP unfortunately is, and assuming that a part of the state is carved out to make for Telengana, can we really believe that Hyderabad will also be a part of that smaller state? If so, what happens to the Andhra/Seema areas considering that a large part of the investments in Hyderabad come from outside.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: Highly centralized development in one city is both the cause of this crisis, and a hurdle to resolve it. There is no substitute to creation of a large number of small towns, and job creation at local level, along with real empowerment of district governments.

Sujai: Andhra/Seema people who have invested in Hyderabad will continue to stay invested; like they continue to invest in Bangalore or Mumbai. Creation of new states does not mean you cannot invest in new states.

Yogeswar Reddy:Is Telangana movement relevant in this day and age or what could be its credibility now.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We must understand that the underlying factors and address them. Deep seated insecurities as a result of inadequate opportunities in wealth creation leads to serious social strife. The form it takes may vary from time-to-time, but there is a real problem we need to address.

Sujai: There is no date when we can say that all new movements are invalid. For the problems that originate in the past, sometimes we have to fix it in the present. Telangana problem is one such problem which was left unfixed. We have to fix it now.

venkatesh medabalimi:A new trend that seems to have evolved is to declare Bandhs and violent protests if a group wants something. Do you think India should move on and these forms of protests that effect productivity be declared illegal ? If so, how do you think these people can express their wishes without waiting till next elections ?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We all need to reflect. Constitution is the vehicle for peaceful reconciliation of conflicting interests in society. If violence, obstruction and inhibiting the liberty of others are the currency of public discourse, obviously we have failed the constitution. We need to recognize that healthy and reasoned debate, peaceful elections and legislatures are the only means of resolving issues.

Sujai: Elections are just one way to bring about democracy but not the only way. Protests are an essential ingredient of a vibrant democracy. A legislature, executive and judiciary cannot always exercise true democracy. A non-violent protest is as important as an act of Parliament in a true democracy. JP doesn’t know history of other democracies and has not read enough except mugging up for IAS exams.

gottimukkala raju:Is Hyderabad a major stumbling block for the formation of telangana state.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: It certainly is. Also the evidence shows that Telangana is growing much faster than the rest of AP over the past 13 years. Therefore the economic rationale is suspect. And, if language ceases to be the marker in State formation, we need another, clear marker. this has huge national implications.

Sujai: Yes it is. Demand for separate Telangana including Hyderabad is 53 year old struggle. In 1969 there was no major development due to globalization in Hyderabad and still Telanganas fought for separate state that included Hyderabad. To suspect that there is an ‘economic rationale’ for this fight is foolish. Right now, Andhras are not letting go of Telangana because of Hyderabad. So the obstruction to Telangana is definitely because of Hyderabad.

gottimukkala raju:when do we think, we would find telangana a reality? what do u think are the major stumbling blocks?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: A new State can be created only when there is a broad consensus within the State. In this case, AP is the first non-Hindi state sought to be divided, and Telangana is the first region with a major city as State capital in it, which wants separation. Both make it hugely complex.

Sujai: Opposition from Andhras is the only stumbling block. If they had lived up to their promises they made, we would have had Telangana by now. A broad consensus is not required to create a state. One cannot expect the rapist to sympathize with the victim. A good democracy has to protect a minority region from further subjugation without having to force the minority to convince the majority. Article 3 is the immediate and pragmatic solution.

154 comments:

The hypocritic JP clearly shows up when he says this" This is an ages-old tactic employed by politicians to manipulate gullible people. "Does he mean that the entire telangana people are gullible? Since such a state of gullibility arises from lack of education, knowledge and under-development, does it not mean that JP agrees that telangana is underdeveloped?But this he straightly denies.God knows who is gullible here??JP followers? might be??

One cannot expect the rapist to sympathize with the victim. Sujai,If i may suggest, please refrain from using the word like rapist.There are several andhra commentators who ignorantly or wilfully do not understand the analogy drawn.They take it as direct insult instead of understanding the underlying fairly analogous description.

We all need to reflect. Constitution is the vehicle for peaceful reconciliation of conflicting interests in society. If violence, obstruction and inhibiting the liberty of others are the currency of public discourse, obviously we have failed the constitution. We need to recognize that healthy and reasoned debate, peaceful elections and legislatures are the only means of resolving issues.

He talks about constitution but he misinforms the question riser that separate state should be formed only by mutual consensus. What part of article 3 did JP miss when he was in Administrative state college?

Several times in his interview JP evades or tries to hide his stand. In some, he is uncomfortable to answer because he knows it supports separation.Just few of the instances are here...I have addressed this question in my earlier replies. and that was the 6th question of the day.

We should not jump the gun at this stage. Let us calmly sit and resolve the issues. On the fate of hyderabad that is the actual bone of contention.

I have given plenty of statistical evidence to show that Telengana districts are growing fast economically. But we need to do a lot more im education, healthcare, skills, small towns development, agro-processing, rural power supply, infrstructure etc. But that is unrelated to seperate statehood. If unrelated what was his idea of providing the little data whatsoever he provided?? Clueless retard

Any solution will have to be broadly acceptable to all. Let us wait and see On hyderabad again.

Everything cannot be equally distributed. Yes but what about that can be equally distributed?? And why that all the unequally distributed things favor Andhra??

srinath:Is broad consensus not needed for United Andhra?Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: No government at the national level will act unilaterally without a broad agreement among all stakeholders in the State. This is true not only in a democracy like India, but even in dictatorships like China where large questions of ethnicity and statehood are decided. His classic Yes and No answer.And understandably he is clueless to take a stand publicly on telangana separation. For, both unification and separation if consensus is essential the solution is clueless. Like him.

There is no cause for panic. There is no animosity among 95% people. Only a small vocal minority has been provoked. In time, we will find an acceptable solution. Please do not spread panic, or promote bitterness. These things happen when passions run high. We are still not really civilized about resolving our differences peacefully and through reasoned debate. We should change that.

Jp solution for Telangana underdevelopement is chepyala vijaykumar:hello JP what is your view on telangana..I feel you should decide on this considering prople's aspirations

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: Vijay, We need to do what is best for Telangana people. The only real answers are: 1. Repeal of Section 14(f) of the PresidentialOrder. 2. Creation of an independent authority to implement GO 610 in all regions of AP. 3. Regional Committees in all regions with powers and resources 4. Effective and empowered district governments. Lok Satta is fully committed to these goals.

And when questioned about SRChe says,How justified is it to initiate steps based on a report(SRC) which is 50 years old? The present conditions are definitely different from those days.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We need not be bound by the past. But we need a new anchor/marker for decisions. Language as a marker served us well , and except for Hindi, all other languages have one State each. Any change has to be rational and universally applicable to the whole country. The real answer lies in empowering people directly through local governments, and reordering our priorities as government and execute policies effectively. Creation of a new State, or retention of an integrated State - neither is the real solution.

I am getting disappointed with you every passing day. You are showing open signs of getting desperate. While our discussions on this forum may have zero impact on the formation or otherwise of a separate state, they have enlightened people on both sides.

Your earlier blogs have been written with clarity & maturity of thought. Not so anymore going by your recent posts and this blog.

You seem to have reached a stage where your only assertion is "We want Telangana because we want it".

Sujai, no one knows what is going to happen. The committee is a reality and here to stay. There is no point in demanding the withdrawal of the committee now. It will not happen. T pros have to wait until the committee is through with its job. Whether they like it or they have to wait. Whether the committee will recommend a separate state or not or whether their recos will be implemented or not, is not known today. All you guys can do at this stage is to do whatever best you can to influence the committee. If the report goes against your expectations you will have to formulate your plans accordingly depending on the circumstances.

Your argument that naxalism was the result of underdevelopment does not hold good. The naxalite ideology does not talk of underdevelopment as the basis for their struggle against the class enemy. Underdevelopment and its accompanying repurcussions among the masses is only one of the many opportunities for furthering their cause.

You support the students for taking up the cause and refer to China etc. Sujai, as a bright student I am sure you were one of those who would have never missed classes to attend some agitation. You would never have been at Tianamen Square.

Please try not to realize your dreams through the sacrifices of others.

Sujai, no one knows what is going to happen. The committee is a reality and here to stay. There is no point in demanding the withdrawal of the committee now. It will not happen. No one is demanding withdrawal of committee. We are demanding a separate state and that too with out any delays. Committee can provide its report after state formation. We do not bother.

All you guys can do at this stage is to do whatever best you can to influence the committee That is what every one is doing. Not to influence the committee. But to influence the govt. and the andhra people.

Your argument that naxalism was the result of underdevelopment does not hold good. The naxalite ideology does not talk of underdevelopment as the basis for their struggle against the class enemy.Naxalism is a clash of classes. The privileged vs non-priviged. Telangana movement is also a clash of classes. Privileged(politically and bureaucratically) and non-priviliged.Clashes happen when dominant class exploits, suppresses and marginalizes unde- privileged class. With in the class there may be some people who are rich and powerful but that does not shadow the overall underdevelopment of the class.

Please try not to realize your dreams through the sacrifices of others.

There is no differentiation between sacrificers and dreamers.Everyone acts according to his logic and emotional clarity.Those who are emotionally weakened by the circumstances take to suicides.Those who are strong and optimistic fight.Please do not expose your empathy in wrong direction.Show empathy towards telangana cause.That is waht we expect from Andhra People.

sravan said... Underdevelopment and its accompanying repurcussions among the masses is only one of the many opportunities for furthering their cause.

I thought you just said underdevelopment is not the reason for Naxalism.Are you contradicting yourselves???

No. I am stating that underdevelopment is not the cause of naxlism. Rather naxalism uses underdeveloment (along with other opportunities) to further their cause. Causing 'development' where there is underdevelopment is not the goal of the naxal ideology.

Sujai, no one knows what is going to happen. The committee is a reality and here to stay. There is no point in demanding the withdrawal of the committee now. It will not happen.

The committee could be there – I said this already. It could produce a report. We are not looking for another statistical report – I said that already. We are looking for a political decision. That does not have to depend on the statistical report – I said that already.

T pros have to wait until the committee is through with its job. Whether they like it or they have to wait.

According to me, Telangana supporters have endured too many reports, too many commissions, too many agreements, too many accords – I said that already – you failed to read it.

This time around they should not wait for Sri Krishna Committee because the decision to form a new state will not depend on Sri Krishna Committee. Even if the committee recommends a state there is a very good chance the state will not be formed. And if the committee does not recommend a state, there is a very good chance the state will be formed. Therefore, the committee has nothing to do with formation of Telangana – the decision is based in politics and therefore the people of Telangana should ensure they get a political decision.

Your argument that naxalism was the result of underdevelopment does not hold good. The naxalite ideology does not talk of underdevelopment as the basis for their struggle against the class enemy. Underdevelopment and its accompanying repurcussions among the masses is only one of the many opportunities for furthering their cause.

I have completely different view on this topic. Naxalism exists in India only in those regions where bulk of the people feels marginalized and neglected.

You would never have been at Tianamen Square.

I was never at Tiananmen Square because I am not Chinese. Right now, Tiananmen Square is in Telangana.

This clearly show how desparate and fanatic u r and how contrasting u r replies compare with gentle supportive argument of JP for T cause//There is no need to form a Committee at this stage. This is a delay tactic. We have reached a stage where people are looking for a political decision, not another statistical report. There have been many reports and many recommendations before this. What about them? All parties endorsed Telangana? What about them? So many agreements have been flouted, all promises broken? What about them? //

That is exactly all T protogonists opinion, because u have bundles of cooked up reports with u, but people (irrespective of region) need to know the real facts. So, this committe which will give fact report. If it matches with u r report, i think nobody objects

T activists are accusing other region people for all the problems faced by them, So, it is necessary for other region people to get independent opinion from a expert committee

//Example: A younger brother who was earning 1000 starts earning 2000; it will result in 100% increase though the increase is only 1000, while the elder brother who was earning 150,000 starts earning 200,000; then the increase is only 33% though the absolute increase is 50,000. For an extremely stupid person, it looks like the younger brother is growing faster though the elder brother is doing much better. The absolute increase for the elder brother is 500 times more than the younger brother. Now you may want to check where JP got his degree from and never ever send your kid to that college. //

I think u better checkup the economic indicator followed for comparison in world, may be u started sujainomics for T cause.

U shown a example, but in your blogs only u mentioned that Telangana area is more developed, had full of resources and developed in all aspects before formation of AP.

can u realise the example u had shown is fully controversial to u r statement?

For example entire telangana region has 140 schools in 1956, where as A&S area has 1500 schools, now T region has around 25000 schools and A&S area has 26000 schools, can u tell me which area more developed

1000 to 26000 or 140 to 25000

This is the fact, that's why u people are suffocating u r self with the thought of facts

JP or Indian Govt is searching for "right indicator" for justifying policy. So, try to help them to identify unique indicator suitable to T cause, insted of wasting u r time in slinging mud on others

That is exactly all T protogonists opinion, because u have bundles of cooked up reports with u, but people (irrespective of region) need to know the real facts.

I was referring to Pranab Mukherjee Committee, Rosiah Committee, Girglani Commission, etc. I hope they are not bundles of cooked up reports. If they are, how will Sri Krishna Committee be any different?

T activists are accusing other region people for all the problems faced by them, So, it is necessary for other region people to get independent opinion from a expert committee

If fact finding was necessary, why did so many political parties endorse Telangana? Why did P Chidambaram gave the statement on December 9th? They should all have said, ‘first report, then Telangana’. That’s not what they said.

Right now, we are not waiting for a report to corroborate discrimination. That can be done anytime. We are looking for a political decision.

U shown a example, but in your blogs only u mentioned that Telangana area is more developed, had full of resources and developed in all aspects before formation of AP.

I did not say that.

JP or Indian Govt is searching for "right indicator" for justifying policy. So, try to help them to identify unique indicator suitable to T cause, insted of wasting u r time in slinging mud on others

What justification was used to separate Andhra from Madras State? What justification was used to carve out Karnataka, Kerala, Gujarat, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana? What justification was used to carve out Mizoram, Meghalaya, Tripura, Nagaland?

I hope you understand what a political decision is. I am beginning to get a faint feeling that I am wasting my time writing this for you.

//For example entire telangana region has 140 schools in 1956, where as A&S area has 1500 schools, now T region has around 25000 schools and A&S area has 26000 schools, can u tell me which area more developed

1000 to 26000 or 140 to 25000//

Mr. Krishna,

I want to discuss one point which you mentioned about schools.

When Andhra developed schools from 1000 to 26000 that means Andhra got 25000 more schools. Total new schools are 25000

Telangana developd from 140 schools to 25000, that means Telangana got 24860 schools. Total new schools are 24860.

If you take the number of new schools in region wise, every one can say that there is no discrimination happened towards Telangana as Andhra got only new 140 schools which is fail as per the total population in both regions.

Till this point I have no argument.

But when you talk about the percentage of new schools,

Andhra got 2600% of new schools

Where Telangana got 17857%.

By looking at only percentages, many people think that actually Andhra got discriminated because there is too much difference between Andhra and Telangana new schools percentages.

JP using this kind of percentages to misrepresent the actual picture. He can use the actual numbers, we do not have problem with it, but he must not use percentages to show the development between regions. That is our point.

We don't care how many new schools we got, we would like to know how much funds spent on those schools, for example I can claim that our Govt. created three new schools in Telangana and with the same amount of fund(used for three schools in Telangana) Andhra got one school, that means Andhra got a good school with all felicities where telangana got a school without enough teachers and felicities.

And final point, we believe there are many schools only on papers but not in real.

Another question, why our govt. never published white papers on every matter when both agitations are in peak for a long time? If Telangana is really developed more than Andhra and no discrimination happened towards Tealangana then Govt. can safely release all numbers and end this mess.

And if you see the history, many reports and GOs already proved it is always Andhra got the major share.

@ Anti-T campaigners & Lok Satta followersThis is just an administrative division that we are talking about! Such an 'administrative division' is wrongly being labeled as a division of people by certain fools. If you don't think so, haven't any of you ever worked in any other city outside of your home state?! What's your problem now? If you continue to project it as a division of people, it sure will be a divided state even if it continues as a one piece administrative unit!

Do you believe that AP has one set of rules and the remaining country has another set of rules? People who talk about unity in the name of language are in my opinion a greater threat to the Indian union! You are the dumb followers of people like Thackerays!

Can JP simply explain why the Nagarjun Sagar water meant for Nalgonda has not been put to use for more than 50 years? It is known that once when the canal was opened for a test run, the ground water in the whole region got replenished! How can someone like JP even talk about numbers when such discrepancies are clearly visible? I have no respect for him anymore, and heck, 90% of people don't even understand what he says - there is a huge disconnect! Let him get a crash course from the non political JAC leaders in Telangana, they will teach him how to connect with people! His text book knowledge is good for nothing!

On the other hand Lok Satta has always talked about administrating smaller units, what's their problem now!? Oh, don't even bother to answer, you will start playing the same old broken record..

@hellopaganWhatever you want to say, you can! Thank you! Bye!

@POKWell that snake charmer is just speaking your language I guess! ;) Btw, off topic, but what's with using 'POK' ?

@Sujai:"You may pass IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT exam but not fit for anything else in life."

Nice response Sujai. You are rating 'primordial loyalty' higher than logic and intelligence., both of which are required in extraordinary amounts to get admission. DO NOT INSULT THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO MAKE YOUR POINT. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Are you above all intelligent human beings that you can make people 'unfit for life' if they do NOT support your point of view.

Please mind your language - who are you to call Sujai a pervert? Sujai's statement makes a lot of sense! Also, it's foolish to consider that IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT can be taken as a measure of intelligence!

"I have no respect for him anymore, and heck, 90% of people don't even understand what he says - there is a huge disconnect! Let him get a crash course from the non political JAC leaders in Telangana, they will teach him how to connect with people! His text book knowledge is good for nothing! "

Yes, why dont u guys take up politics and show how it is to be done rather than blabbering on the internet. I would like to see JAC ppl can make good leaders so that more good ppl can come to politics and shut out these JPs. Please take up and clean the politics.

@Kartikthum:"it's foolish to consider that IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT can be taken as a measure of intelligence"

How else, other than high IQ level, would u think that they are able to solve real-time complex problems? If not a pervert, who else would insult intelligence (IQ levels) of IIT grads and IIM grads just for NOT agreeing to ur point of view.

I think the best service u guys can do is SHUT UP, MAN UP and ENTER POLITICS rather than just sitting idly, doing NOTHING than hatred and criticizing any opposite point of views.

"For example, one of my friend, IIT guy in our area running a Indian grocery store in Toronto when he failed to get a job."

Does that mean he is not intelligent? He has aptitude and high IQ levels. He might do well for himself and his family, u dont know. It is better than misleading people with emotions and lies and hatred for other regions like rayalaseema.

Sujai has proved that he can be a good politician, with his answers and rebuttal to JP. Why dont u enter politics and help telangana state prosper with ur good sense of politics? After all, he knows everything like history of democracy in the west, civil rights, genuine pulse of majority and minorities etc. He knows when to use constitution, what it means, he is practical as to what it can achive and what it cannot. He knows the national and regional politics, he knows why RTI, sorry, local governance caannot be possible in India practically. He knows all political parties have supported telangana including Loksatta even though JP does not know it. He knows that opposin his views means they are dumb and they do NOT have intelligence.

What more can we expect from a leader that we all have been waiting. Please clean this politics with ur entry so that all this hypocrisy ends.

Green_Star:"As I am not good at cooking, I had to accept that salty curry is tasty. :)"

Now, does this mean, that u can hide under the excuse that u r not good at cooking and criticize or fault with cooking. Those who are interested in cooking, they take effort to learn it and try to make it as better as possible. If u work hard on cooking, u will appreciate the effort. I am talking it as parallel to politics.

Those who dont want want to enter, will say some excuse.. I dont want to leave my job, I dont want to enter but I have every right to criticize it. I am smarter than all... It is just that I didnt enter politics but if I enter, I know what to do and how to do etc etc

(this whole thing is so off topic, but well you started it, and this will be my last reply on this topic - whether you understand or not, people with common sense will)

So, you think guys who get into IIT and IIM are guaranteed to be intelligent? Dude, over the last few years I have interviewed dozens of people from a cross section of institutes including IITs - the worst thing an interviewer could do is to give weightage to institutes like IITs - do that and you will have the worst hires possible! Trust me, because I have learnt it the hard way!

Anyway, I don't expect you to agree with me. It takes a lot to understand what makes up intelligence, or else we would have our IITs as centers of innovation - unfortunately from the word go, we train our students to mug up formulae, learn how to apply them and get trained in answering questions! There is no emphasis on realistic problem solving.

I repeat and stress : A person clearing IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT 'could' be intelligent, but not guaranteed to be intelligent!

"Opposition from Andhras is the only stumbling block. If they had lived up to their promises they made, we would have had Telangana by now. A broad consensus is not required to create a state. One cannot expect the rapist to sympathize with the victim. A good democracy has to protect a minority region from further subjugation without having to force the minority to convince the majority."

If anything, rayalaseema is minority. What proof do u have that u r the minority in comparison with rayalaseema? Yes, surely, asking for a separate state based on 'rapist' analogy is intended for 'peaceful' separation of state. The so-called minority has all the elected representatives and ministers, more than rayalaseema, which is poor and starved. Just because they are living peacefully, u want to snatch their minority status and club them with Andhra and make all sort of allegations

@Kartikthum:"A person clearing IIT-JEE or IIM-CAT 'could' be intelligent, but not guaranteed to be intelligent!"

If it is just memorizing formulae and just hard work, I am sure ppl wud find it much easier to enter IITs. Innovation depends of environment, incentives, policies and infrastructure. Why they excel abroad is a proof and the premium IIT earns worldwide is proof. U guys wud be the LAST to judge their intelligence.

I dont want to discuss this topic but dont make them dumb and u guys, who cud not have the courage to pass and graduate from IIT/IIMs make decision that they 'cannot' or 'may not' be intelligent, as if u are the epitome or the ultimate judge of intelligence.

Same with politics... come and contest as public reps and involve and THEN talk and criticize others. Point by point rebuttal in the midst of fanatics is what irresponsible people do.

See, there you go, you have already divided Andhra State (not AP) into Coastal and Rayalseema ;) - why do people talk about Rayalseema only when Telangana issue is raised? Why don't they talk about it in the first place?

All we need is to go back to the First SRC's verdict! Remember that the merger happened between Andhra State and the Telangana region. Whether Coastal and Rayalseema region stay together or not depends on the people of Andhra State.

That's really mean of you! I have been trying to keep my cool, but you seem to be bent upon making personal attacks! I guess for all the people who read these comments it will be really easy to understand your mindset and mine. It's for the people reading these comments to judge your arrogance!

So JP bashing is on the menu for this week. JP dared to speak stats against Telangana ,so he became the biggest villain in your eyes. Only Nalamothu would be worse than JP ,i guess.

Also , you are crossing all boundaries of decency by using terms like 'rapist'. Your imaginary 'rape' is a insult to all the women who actually had to go through that pain and humiliation in real life. Why dont you stick to your usual rhetoric of colonials,exploiters, imperialists, nazis etc.

@Kartikthum:"That's really mean of you! I have been trying to keep my cool, but you seem to be bent upon making personal attacks! I guess for all the people who read these comments it will be really easy to understand your mindset and mine. It's for the people reading these comments to judge your arrogance!"

I would NOT dare attack Chidambaram, JP etc saying they have no knowledge of constitution, democracy etc as they did not do what Sujai and u guys think should be done. It was a mean, denigrating and despicable argument. U guys compare some dumb situation with intelligence of IIT guys that is non-sensical.

Who is this Sujai dipshit and what did he achieve in his life to personally attack intelligent and respected people. It is easy to make 'irrsponsible' statements no backed up by ANYTHING but emotions and lies but u cannot earn respect in society. Now, who in this world, cares abut what Sujai thinks. He should see the reality and sop making himself look ridiculous and pathetic.

"I did not need an IIT/IIM to be where I am today! Some people do, some don't ;)!"

Or, u did not bother to take the tough route and take an easy path but still reserve the right to throw mud on others intelligence, knowledge etc NICE logic u and sujai are using to attack others who earn something great but dont follow ur path.

That was Sujai's reply to JP's idealistic stand about democracy. To say that the Indian democracy is all about elections is indeed wrong! There are several other ways of raising your voice in a democracy - agree that it has to be peaceful though! But the problem here is that peaceful protests are never covered by the national media!

And in any true democracy, people have the right to protest, the right to speak out!

Green_Star:"In a restaurant, I shouldn't say the food is bad because I can not cook

Idlebrain.com can not review a movie as bad, because they can not make a movie

A Quality Assurance person can not say the product has fault, because he is not an engineer.

New news paper can not criticize government because they can not run government. "

Dude... u r mixing job with responsibility. It is their job to do that. The job people are not AUTHORIZED or NOT required to fix them. Ur responsibility as a citizen is not just criticize saying 'he shud say that, he shud do that etc etc' but take the next step as people interested in politics do.. enter, serve and demonstrate how it ought to be done.

Political position also a Govt job which is meant to be for 5 years, we elect them only if we like his ways, before we choosing the path offered by a politician, we have every right to prove him wrong, because he want to experiment with our lives. If he do not take criticism he is welcome to sit at his home.

//u r mixing job with responsibility.//

When govt is doing there job, JP should not call them with names because govt. doing there job.

@Kartikthum:"people have the right to protest, the right to speak out!"

Yes, but do not force people to close shop shutters, close schools, businesses, hospitals etc, attack public transports, call bandhs, force MLAs who have NOT promised telangana or those who did promise to resign, stop Assembly from functioning to solve people problems. It is hypocritical to assume that people "HAVE" to sacrifice thru the means u think r correct.

Why does not JAC contest than pressurizing other parties not to put up candidates against TRS? Whats stopping u guys and JAC from entering politics? U guys are prepared to sacrifice Hyd image, public inconveniences etc when u do NOT have the right to.

Ur responsibility as a citizen is not just criticize saying 'he shud say that, he shud do that etc etc' but take the next step as people interested in politics do.. enter, serve and demonstrate how it ought to be done.

So, everyone who want to raise their voice should jump into politics? Well, ok, so your beloved JP too had a long stint on the sidelines of politics! Wasn't he simply commenting on politics then? Oh, oh, played on? Woops, with the hockey world cup going on it would be more apt to ask 'self goal?'

Green_Star:"Political position also a Govt job which is meant to be for 5 years, we elect them only if we like his ways, before we choosing the path offered by a politician, we have every right to prove him wrong, because he want to experiment with our lives. If he do not take criticism he is welcome to sit at his home. "

JP or Loksatta did not support/reject Telangana before or after elections. He presented his point of view. Respond to him with dignity and respect. U have no right or authority to personally attack him or chidambaram bcoz they did not put aside their intelligence/experience and work for ur agenda.

Green_Star:"Did any MLA said they didn't promised Telangana, you always make base less arguments."

JP/Loksatta never said yes to telangana before/after elections even though there was pressure. U guys still expect him to resign, play to ur tunes etc and all he said was more debates need to be done to come up with solution.

Hyd image? What do you know about Hyderabadi image? And who has done more damage to it - the government or the people of Telangana?

Why in the world did Rosaiah have to call in a press conference and let the world know that Hyderabadi image is taking a hit? And for what? A few stone throwing incidents and a few vehicles set on fire? You think this never happened in any other city?

The government unnecessarily cooked up baseless stories in that regard!

In a place like Benguluru people throwing stones protesting their beloved actor's death never effects a it's brand image, does it?

But in Hyderabad, a few incidents like that and government goes all out to project it as a threat to the city! I could have understood if the media did that, but the government? If that's not emotional blackmail, what is it? If that's not a way to turn people against Telangana, what is it?

But the best part was when the film industry jointly issued a statement saying Rosaiah was wrong! He had to pay for his mean tactics!

//JP/Loksatta never said yes to telangana before/after elections even though there was pressure.//

As per my knowledge none of our guys did such statements, if any of our politicians did, well you know about politicians, they are clue less, we don't care about there statements. And we advise you the same.

You have to understand that sujai and his army will not tolerate any anti telangana view. Since JP has a lot of credibility in AP,Centre ,it is even more frustrating for them. They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and their game will be over. Thats why they are bashing him left and right.

"You have to understand that sujai and his army will not tolerate any anti telangana view. Since JP has a lot of credibility in AP,Centre ,it is even more frustrating for them. They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and their game will be over. Thats why they are bashing him left and right. "

You have to understand that Reality and his army will not tolerate any telangana view. Since KCR has a lot of credibility in Telangana,Centre ,it is even more frustrating for them. They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and Andhra game will be over. Thats why they are bashing him left and right.

//You have to understand that sujai and his army will not tolerate any anti telangana view. Since JP has a lot of credibility in AP,Centre ,it is even more frustrating for them. They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and their game will be over. Thats why they are bashing him left and right. //

JP has lot of credibility in AP, Center?

With what, one MLA seat and no recognized party, no known other leaders, who lost everything in previous G-HYD elections

@RealityROFLOL"They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and their game will be over"

I just can't stop laughing buddy! Didn't you read my comments above - I feel JP in fact needs to do a lot of learning from non political TJAC on how to connect to people! He is such a complicated person, no common person in AP would even understand a fraction of what he says. ;)

Credibility is a subjective view .It need not depend on number of mp or mla seats. why do you think delhi leaders gave appointments to him during december crisis? They wanted to know the ground reality which they knew they wouldn't get from T camp or A camp.

//I just can't stop laughing buddy! Didn't you read my comments above - I feel JP in fact needs to do a lot of learning from non political TJAC on how to connect to people! He is such a complicated person, no common person in AP would even understand a fraction of what he says. ;)//

Yeah JP should learn from these T fanatics . Lol , you are very funny.

@prasad/* JP/Loksatta never said yes to telangana before/after elections */

At the same time JP/Loksatta did not say no to Telangana either. Loksatta can support Telangana or United AP. It is their party's decision but they have to take a clear stand on the issue and announce it to the people.

Vamshi:"At the same time JP/Loksatta did not say no to Telangana either. Loksatta can support Telangana or United AP. It is their party's decision but they have to take a clear stand on the issue and announce it to the people."

Thats the problem. U guys were ok with party not taking a stand before elections and voted accordingly. At least, they did not change their stand based on agitaions/pressures on either side. The party does NOT believe creating a separate state is the solution to the problems in governance. So, why do u expect JP/Loksatta to take a stand NOW? As per party principles and ideology, it takes the path and decision it believes will lead to a solution. U dont have to agree to it but respect the fact that it is consistent on its stance.

@GreenStar:"With what, one MLA seat and no recognized party, no known other leaders, who lost everything in previous G-HYD elections"

This shows ur and sujai's 'expertise' over constitution, democracy etc. RTI, Assets disclosure etc were passed by political consensus that was brought about by NGOs, democratic orgs, political parties. For some reason, govt and media believes JP than Sujai or u.

@Prasad/* The party does NOT believe creating a separate state is the solution to the problems in governance. */

you say Loksatta does not think Telangana state is the solution for the problem. Does it mean that loksatta is leaning towards united AP ? Whatever is its stand all Iam saying is it has to make it stand public.

@Reality"You have to understand that sujai and his army will not tolerate any anti telangana view. Since JP has a lot of credibility in AP,Centre ,it is even more frustrating for them. They fear that more and more Telangana people will start listening to him and their game will be over. Thats why they are bashing him left and right."

Sujai is covering up his ignorance and incompetence by attacking JP Chidambaram etc. He is masquerading as 'T-intellectual' like Jayashankar and koandram etc when all he is an adolescent prick with bravado about constitution, democracy etc. What is this guys credibility in society? He would be a clown on TV with these responses, doing the bidding for self-centered politicians and JAC-TRS supporters.

JAC is a joke when they start cheering for TRS candidates. Are they not supposed to be NOT political but include all social groups. They do NOT want to enter politics and do NOT have a leader. And Sujai rants about student movement etc. He does not know the reality.

" As per party principles and ideology, it takes the path and decision it believes will lead to a solution. "

May i know what that 'Decision' is and how blurting out diplomatic no-stand answers will lead to a 'Solution' ??? Looks like, not taking a decision is in itself a decision as per ur intelligent conclusion.

And United Andhra crap actually became a big joke, one guy says 'United Andhra, some one says 'Jai Andhra', other guy in andhra says they support the division because his area is not developd and it is true they betrayed telangana, some other guy wants there separate rayalaseema, and other guys comes out says he want 'rayala-telangana' and another joker comes out and they want few districts from north andhra and few districts from orissa and make a new state.

"May i know what that 'Decision' is and how blurting out diplomatic no-stand answers will lead to a 'Solution' ??? Looks like, not taking a decision is in itself a decision as per ur intelligent conclusion."

Solution is not separate state but decentralized local governance... giving more powers and responsibility to local governance. It will resolve potential future 'new' state demands too and it is a solution for the governance that has caused these problems.

By talking about JP more and more, you are not helping him but you are making him only more and more unpopular.

Soon JP will google and find out all these comments and learn how many of people hate him for talking without a brain. Because of this foolish percentage &^%$^&**&, he is not only losing this argument about Telangana but also losing the audience who thought he is intelligent and like to listen about his 30(?) tire government.

@prasad/* decentralized local governance */How can this be acheived and how long does it take ? Does it require any changes to our constitution ? Is it a practical solution given the current situation? Can Telangana people or the uttarandra people wait until then? Does decentralization in governance alone can resolve all the problems of telangana including the cultural differences ?

If Loksatta beleives firmly that United AP with decentralized local governance is the only solution, then why dont they support Samaikyandra and convince Telangana people ?

Why cant the solution be a 'decentralized local governance' in a separate state ?

" It will resolve potential future 'new' state demands too "

Why do you think 'new' state demands is a problem and that it needs to be resolved ?? Is it proven anywhere that a country with more states spells doom and is less developed than a country with lesser number of states ?

When decentralized local governance can be applied within states why cant it be applied within a country ? Dont you think your demi-god JP's logic is diabolical to say the least ?

//If Loksatta beleives firmly that United AP with decentralized local governance is the only solution, then why dont they support Samaikyandra and convince Telangana people ? //

Yes, I also ask, why don't they say they support United Andhra and convince Telangana? They can easily take a stand.

God only knows how many decades it takes to implement JPs experiment, and no one knows whether India actually accepts it or not. Who knows ..? JP may die tomorrow and no intelligent like him are currently on earth to carry his 30-tire govt idea.

@Vamshi:This is not an issue to take a stand on. The problem is underdevelopment and lack of opportunities and solution is local governance to realize the aspirations.The problem is NOT whether new state have to be created. Thats the Loksatta stand. The information given in the chat is in response to the questions, not to a specific stand.

" The problem is NOT whether new state have to be created. Thats the Loksatta stand. "

OK FINE. We get it ! We get what loksatta's ideas and views are ! Buy like a 1000 billboards and erect it in front of ur esteemed party offices which read and yap abt local governance. We CARE LESS.But if you consider yourself to be taken seriously as a political party then people expect you to take a stand.

" This is not an issue to take a stand on. "

Its extremely weird that JP considers it to be a non-issue when it is clearly more than a issue for the 7 crore population of AP at the moment.

@JaiTelangana:"Its extremely weird that JP considers it to be a non-issue when it is clearly more than a issue for the 7 crore population of AP at the moment."

Do u agree that underdevelopment, lack of resources and opportunities is the underlying issue that has caused disenchantment? What is the problem in coming up with a solution for these issues and focusing on bringing these solutions to reality? Is it wrong to approach traditional politics differently than the way we are used to?

There was a Gentlemans agreement and many such agreements. 14 agreements so far to address some of the issues. These were solutions too. They all failed. We are not interested in your nonsense. Go back to JPs harem.

@prasad/* This is not an issue to take a stand on. */I agree separate state was not an issue initially, telangana people proposed it as a solution to the problems. But today it is defenetely an issue as we can all see it is the 1st point in the agenda for the SKC. I think loksatta and all the parties have to take a stand on this issue.

" Do u agree that underdevelopment, lack of resources and opportunities is the underlying issue that has caused disenchantment? "

Ok, first of all the word 'disenchantment' looks totally misplaced in the above sentence and so i dont understand what u were trying to say. But ya, coming to your question, I DONT AGREE TO WHAT U JUST SAID (as a telanganaite). Because our problem is not lack of resources, it is possessing abundant resources but being in a disadvantaged position of not being able to use them. This has resulted in lack of opportunities and HENCE underdevelopment.

" What is the problem in coming up with a solution for these issues and focusing on bringing these solutions to reality? "

The problem is we LOST faith in any politician who has even the remotest of roots to the word 'Andhra'. Coming to what JP can do, looking at how he has been functioning and eliciting views, looks like we are better off without him. The idea of decentralization that he has come up with is not Rocket science. Empty vessels make much noise and if this applies to anybody its JP.

So, what is up with JAC cheering for support of TRS candidates? Does JAC have any faintest idea of what they want to do differently when TRS candidates r reelected? TRS MLAs have no credibility and are sold out to vested interests...

You've selectively chosen my sentence and chopped the part where i said we dont beleive in andhra leaders.

Let me tell you something, if there is one party which stood its ground on telangana for close to 10yrs now its TRS. Considering their record, i for sure can give them a benefit of doubt. But for the life of me i can never understand what goes through the minds of so called party heads such as JP, Chiru or CBN. One never takes a stand, one does a turn around after shamelessly agreeing to telangana before being elected to power and the other waits for congress to decide his fate.

For all the mud-slinging that's done on KCR, i agree to what one of the commentors above had to say about him. No man is perfect. We wouldnt be having this discussion today on telangana if not for him.

--------------@DamodarReally, I was in the impression that he (KCR) is atleast 50% reason to bring up the agitation to this level and for the Dec-9th statement.----------------

having said above, if he betrays telanganaites tmrw he will face the wrath, but we will deal with that later...coz we have larger enemies to be tackled for now

I see that he is always against every bill passed... and critical about every bill that wasn't passed. So... is he saying.. he should get to draft each and every bill? Or, does he think that govt. of India's administration sucks, but Lok-satta's research-based proposals are of excellet class?

Does he forget that there are hundreds of IAS officers and their hard-work behind the drafting of every single bill that is presented in the parliament?

Yesterday they were interviewing people and asking why a separate state is needed.

A snake charmer states "My surname name is xyz.

My friend who travels a lot asked a poor day-laborer why he is for samaikyandhra in Tirupati... the guy had no clue... but said, "chiranjeevi kotta dialogue... monna rally ki poyinappudu 200 Rs/- vachinay".

@Jai Telangana:"You've selectively chosen my sentence and chopped the part where i said we dont beleive in andhra leaders.

Let me tell you something, if there is one party which stood its ground on telangana for close to 10yrs now its TRS. "

I did not cut any parts intentionally. My point is JAC is supposed to be apolitical but it is cheering for TRS cndidates. U have ur own conclusions abt TRS but TRS is mainly responsible for breakup of JAC with frequent threats deadlines etc. Thats definitely NOT the way to win friends or make people fall in line, that too a party with 10 MLAs. We know what they achieved before TRS was formed, why it was formed, what they did during congress rule, why they resigned earlier and now again. ALL their actions discredited the cause than anything else as other parties thought the cause is 'sentiment' they can cash on. People for some 'strange' reason thought congress and NOT TRS can give them Telangana with YSR at helm. And, now an apolitical JAC wants unanimous relection for repeating this drama again. KCR went with all parties saying they promised Telangana, when he just wanted a ministry to make money.

Yes, he and his family is more trustworthy and sincere, friendly towards other people like Andhrites and other political parties. Now, what is his strategy? cooperate with the commission? What stopped him from doing this before like a statesman? He had to do hunger strike for political survival. This time Chidambaram will not care if he dies.

Yes, he and his family is more trustworthy and sincere, friendly towards other people like Andhrites and other political parties. Now, what is his strategy? cooperate with the commission? What stopped him from doing this before like a statesman? He had to do hunger strike for political survival. This time Chidambaram will not care if he dies.

U have ur own conclusions abt TRS but TRS is mainly responsible for breakup of JAC with frequent threats deadlines etc. Thats definitely NOT the way to win friends or make people fall in line, that too a party with 10 MLAs.

You seem to have a lot of knowledge on such things like "how to make friends".

You should counsel JP and his LokSatta party of the same.

Your leader is on the verge of losing all "women support" by his opposition to a bill which has been waiting for a decade now. With just 1 MLA seat, he definitely "cannot make people fall in line to his agendas" in your words.

My point is JAC is supposed to be apolitical but it is cheering for TRS cndidates. U have ur own conclusions abt TRS but TRS is mainly responsible for breakup of JAC with frequent threats deadlines etc.

OK! You made your point. What now?

Do you want 'Jai Telangana' to apologise to you for differing in opinion?

//Thats definitely NOT the way to win friends or make people fall in line, that too a party with 10 MLAs.//

You say TRS is the reason, but we say Congress/TDP is the reason. JAC was formed by Congress idea, if Congress has some problem with TRS then they should have kicked the TRS out, instead they quit, everyone knows why. And TDP holding bigger number of MLAs than TRS, they can control the JAC, instead they always complain about 10MLA party.

//People for some 'strange' reason thought congress and NOT TRS can give them Telangana with YSR at helm.//

So, if you think people are not with agitation, why are you worrying about 10MLA party? You are definitely afraid of them , aren't you?

//My point is JAC is supposed to be apolitical but it is cheering for TRS cndidates. //

I dont know how many times I have to tell you, it is JAC decision long back to elect the candidate who resigns for Telangana cause, same applies for Congress too.

//My point is JAC is supposed to be apolitical//

We dont work as you wish.

//This time Chidambaram will not care if he dies. //Yup, and now he dont have to go for hunger strike. We already got what we wanted.

POKNo. I am stating that underdevelopment is not the cause of naxlism. Rather naxalism uses underdeveloment (along with other opportunities) to further their cause. Causing 'development' where there is underdevelopment is not the goal of the naxal ideology.

//POK: You seem to have reached a stage where your only assertion is "We want Telangana because we want it".Sujai said... I said that long ago. You seem to have realized it now.//I feel little bit comfortable for not following this blog so seriously with this above comment, what ever I'd bit sympathy towards separate T is almost void.

This will set very bad example if any one honors a saying like this "if I want, that's it I WANT"

//Sujai: Opposition from Andhras is the only stumbling block. If they had lived up to their promises they made, we would have had Telangana by now. A broad consensus is not required to create a state. One cannot expect the rapist to sympathize with the victim. A good democracy has to protect a minority region from further subjugation without having to force the minority to convince the majority. Article 3 is the immediate and pragmatic solution. //My friend please understand and analyse the situation.It is not the opposition from Seemandhra politicans or people that made the center go back on their 'promise'.It is the opposition from UPA partners and thus people from other parts of India and business interests especially Reliance that made GOI to reconsider its decision.Hey when HM made the announcement he very well knew voices from Seemandhra would rise.But spontaneously other prospective regions began raising their voice for separate state.Telangana is a bed of thorns that no central govt wants to sleep on.Gorkhaland,Vidarbha,Coorg,Southern Tamil Nadu,the list is endless.

Who raped whom ? Hey you owe your education and so called position to United AP.Look at the way people were living in Nizam's Hyderabad and then try to talk about the rape analogy.The people ,poor ones,dare not raise their voice their oppressors fearing the tyranny.If you show that the Telanganites are facing the same oppression I'll be on forefront and fight for Telangana.But without looking into history pl don't make such frivolous and puerile comments.It shows the frustration on your part for no reason what so ever..

Hey BiddaI didnt say anything wrong and reiterate that again and again.Its just because of United AP and Andhra teachers that people in Telangana got educated.Comments like 'One cannot expect the rapist to sympathize with the victim." are the most horrifying words I've heard.They might sound sweet and be music to your ears .How dare he says that? Who raped whom.Its the ingenuity of people who fought against the atrocities of Nizam that have visualized Visalandhra.Hey Nizam and CM of Hyderabad begged Andhras to join universities and polytechnic colleges as lecturers.I'm privy to that info.Who were lecturers in REC,Osmania University and Nizam Colleges and Giriraj college in 1950's and before?

//You must be talking about the urdu educated Andhras teaching in Nizams kingdom. LOL//Hey Nizam college was started in 1885 and offered english education Please go around Osmania University and REC and ask them history. .Similarly go and find out about Giriraj College and colleges in Karimanar and ask them who the teachers were.Check the history and then talk and laugh.It is ignorance like this that the bane to formation of Telangana...

yes.. yes.. we all know what you are talking about. Potti Sriramulu fought for United AP and that sort of thing! ROFL!

Did you know that your master JP with zero members in loksabha was responsible for a consensus on a bill in parliament? That he invented zero, calculus, and newtonian physics when a panasa pandu fell on him and crushed his balls? That sucker also invented fire.

Some time back when N-Deal was hot in news, Abdul Kalam gave statement like

"We can go with Uranium based power generation for now but We should concentrate on Thorium based reactors development, because we have plenty of sources of Thorium in India and Uranium reactors will not solve our future power needs and we have to depend on foreign countries for Uranium fuel supply and some of its related technology."

If we put JP in this situation he says like

JP: "We don't support Uranium based reactors, because it is lots of expenditure on people, we have to depend on foreign countries for fuel supply/technology, and it will not solve all our future power needs, we should go with Thorium based reactors for our power supply"

Reporter: "but sir, we are far from developing a working Thorium based reactors, it may take a decade or more or may not be practical, if we wait for such a long time, India may greatly suffer with power shortages and our country will be behind the development when we compare with other world countries"

JP: "Our stand is clear, we support only Thorium based power supply, we have plenty of reports/stats which are proving(he shows bunch of papers to camera), our traditional current power supply unites are enough to run India till we develop Thorium reactors, because of all governments mis-management in power usages we are experiencing some power shortages. Our corrupted leaders taking bribes from America and pushing this Uranium reactors idea but not because it is good for or country"

That is how JP talks.

The same way he is pushing his 30-tire govt. plan to solve Telangana problems. Way to go JP.

To add to the above, every single time i read an interview or listen to what JP has to say i am more confused after i finish reading than i am before abt what he is actually trying to convey. Does anybody think the same ? One such example is his answer to the below question that he gave on the IBNlive chat

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Yogeswar Reddy:Is Telangana movement relevant in this day and age or what could be its credibility now.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan: We must understand that the underlying factors and address them. Deep seated insecurities as a result of inadequate opportunities in wealth creation leads to serious social strife. The form it takes may vary from time-to-time, but there is a real problem we need to address

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I dont get it !! Does he mean that telanganaites are suffering from insecurities bcoz we've been given inadequate opportunties or is he indirectly disparaging us that we suffer from insecurities for no particular reason ???

Why is JP famous ? What has he done to deserve an army of well-educated, highly 'intelligent', self-proclaimed 'lets change the world' type young individuals to garner his support and form countless fan groups all across the world to show their support ? How can a man so superficial be so enthralling ?

Ever heard of celebrities called 'Kim Kardashian' or 'Paris Hilton'? I cant resist myself from drawing a parallel to JP and these 'famous for being famous' celebrities who are famous for god knows what. While these celebs are 'physically' incapable of standing straight, JP is 'mentally' incapable of talking straight !

Quite an interesting soul i must say ! But Mr.JP, plzz spell out your stand on Telangana...we are all waiting with baited breath for your wisdom to shine upon us.

To all his followers, i wish to put down a quote which reads as follows

" We all wear masks, and the time comes when we cannot remove them without removing some of our own skin. -Andre Berthiaume, novelist (b. 1938) "

The committee did not agree with the contention that the terms of reference were different from Union home minister, Mr P. Chidambaram’s, December 9 statement on initiating the process for the formation of Telangana.

The minister’s words were unfortunately misinterpreted to mean that “Telangana will start tomorrow. That is not possible,” Justice Srikrishna said.

Also see what was printed in eenadu :http://eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel3.htm

Justice BN Srikrishna on Friday clarified that carving out a new State out of Andhra Pradesh will not be possible without addressing the broader issues involved and felt the Dec 9 statement of Union Home Minister P Chidambaram had been misunderstood. ‘‘A few words here and a few words there in the statement were picked which resulted in trouble,’’ he said.

According to SK both Tvadis and Avadis overreacted to dec 9 th statement. Atleast SK believes that states cannot be created without addressing all the broader issues involved in it. Good for all AP people.

want all the benefits of an society, without paying for it to keep going. There's a technical definition for this in the natural sciences: a parasite.Ramalinga Raju(JP's assosciate) is the best anology.

A Person like you who creates mistrust between different Indians in terms of the areas where they live should be shot dead. You have no sense of Indianness in you. Most of you articles are written with a pseudo intellectual superiority. For example calling a real intellectual like Jayprakash Naryan who was knowledgable enough to become a IAS officer and powerful enough to be a MLA and elected by people a educated fool shows your inferiority complex. Just prove your capabilities by getting involved with people instead of sitting in Bangalore and writing hatred filled articles. You claim as if Andhrites ruled all the 60 years , half of the time it has been ruled by people from Telanagna and infact they even ruled the country. There are millions of poor people in Andhra who care a damn about Telangana except that hundreds of millions of rupees they paid in tax are used to build Hyderabad. When i came to Hyderabad in 1974 there was no water to drink nor any roads to walk. So dont tell me your bullshit stories of Salarjung museum and Highcourt. Keep them if you want. They dont make Hyderabad. Today Hyderabad means a identity built be people living here. The fact that pro-telangana parties did not win Hyderabad local elections prove to you people here dont care. Iam ashamed to call a person like you Indian who pits one brother aganist another brother just in terms of perceived injustice.

Anonymous, Sujai just wrote his own opinion. You do have a right to disagree. But your view that only a IAS officer elected as MLA is the one who is supposed think and opinionate is indeed pathetic. You do not conform to a society where every person has a right to think on his own.

hey man we all are united...lets take patience...unity is always streenght...all the leaders take, TRS, congress, TDP, PRP does not have any leader ship qualities...they jus come to public at the time of votes....they try to raise the emotions of the people.. who are not called to be leaders.....we want leaders like gandhi, subhash chandra bose etc....who fought for freedom against britishers..who gave their lives for freedom...but wats happening now...we are fighting within ourselves...its mainly because we dont have right leader who really care for middle class or poor people....all the present leaders are cheaters they jus pretend...we want society where poor people gets enogh oppurtunity to live for...i have seen that leader ship qualities in Jp Narayan...though i may not work for him or his party i love his views or his vision...he had that ability to change the society with truth..and i am sure he will be making that.personally dont look at the statistics..they will be there...if you really worry abt poor or backwardness in ur region be a good person and do good for them under good leader...dont think that u r gr8 in the world and u can get wat ever u like...otherwise if u really know wat u r talkin about(without any emotions) then u may be right , i am sorry and u can also become a good leader and i will always be with you...but think abt the poor and do good to them..irrespective of ur region....

This guy (jackal pandit) is not an intellecual as his "dittoheads" believe. He is a bureaucrat who thrived on NTR chamchagiri. As a serving officer, he backed NTR aganst Babu during the power struggle (read Daggubati's book)

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