WBCC Newsmail 117, Volume 3, November 7, 1998
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Composed with help from members of the
Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club (WBCC)
and weekly published by Martin Peeters, Netherlands,
Focal Point of the WBCC, martinp@westbrabant.net
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Dear WBCC members,
Again a great WBCC Newsmail this week. Several member did their very best
to make a story about Bi-metallics !! Keep doing this great job and I hope
you will enjoy reading it !!
1. A new member..........by Martin Peeters, WBCC Focal Point
We have a new member. Let me introduce him to you:
Name: René Müller (WBCC member #117), Denmark
E-mail: rem@vip.cybercity.dk
Age: 29
Profession: I own a small fastfood buisness and besides that i work in a
security compagny.
Hobby: I´m a collector of all world coins and notes by type, but with
an emphasis on Bi-metallic and "funny" shaped coins and polymer notes.
Against: Hobbywise: NCLT, In general: fanatic people.
Goal: Actually just to be healthy, have fun and meet new
interesting people.
2. My new E-mail address................by Daniel Shoemaker, USA
Please read my new E-mail address:
Daniel Shoemaker (WBCC member #33) dashoe@sushi.co.jp
3. New Bi-metallic casino token...............by Paul Baker, UK
I have recently acquired a new Bi-metallic casino token for my
collection.
Appearance
Diameter is 26.10/26.15mm. Thickness at rim is 2.25mm. (This diameter is
very slightly bigger than the Bi-metallic 500 Lire coins of Italy.) The
piece has a mass of 8.08 grams.
(Italy 500Lire is 26.0mm diameter and thickness at rim is 1.85mm and mass
is 6.77grams.)
The inner appears to be an alloy such as copper-nickel and the outer ring
appears to be an alloy such as nickel-brass. The piece has a plain edge and
alignment is almost correctly coin-alignment.
The design.
On the first side the main design is of an eagle type bird with upraised
wings surrounded by 24 small six-petalled flower symbols. This design is
entirely on the inner of the piece. Above and below this are the legends
"NO CASH" above and "VALUE" below. About one quarter of the lettering
(height-wise) is on the inner and the rest on the outer ring.
On the second side the main design is of a large "1" with horizontal
hatchings surrounded by 24 small six-petalled flower symbols. This design
is entirely on the inner of the piece. Above and below this are the legends
"GETTONE" above and "PLAY TOKEN" below. Again about one quarter of the
lettering (height-wise) is on the inner and the rest on the outer ring.
Similarities.
I have noticed a number of similarities between my piece and some other
tokens including a couple of other Bi-metallic tokens. Perhaps with a few
more clues we can link a few together accurately.
A) I have a (non-Bi-metallic) piece with a bird (an eagle or even a falcon)
on it which is very similar to that on my new Bi-metallic token. This piece
has the word "EUROCOIN" above the bird and the word "LONDON" below the bird
- both sides are the same. The piece is 29mm and is a bright
"nickel-colour". Remember London is where the company called "Eurocoin" is
situated. I know of one or two other non-Bi-metallic tokens with this same
bird - but I await further information reagarding the legends on these.
B) Another (non-Bi-metallic) piece I have has on it a similar horizontally
hatched "1" but I do not think that this is too uncommon.
C) Martin Peeters has a Bi-metallic gaming token which has many
similarities with my new piece. Regarding the first side the "1" is sized
and hatched differently, it is surrounded by 15 five-pointed stars (not the
flower motifs), the legends are the same but are entirely on the outer ring
and the lettering is a little larger. Interestingly though, on this side,
there are on the outer ring, at each side of the "1", the crowned "M"
mintmark of Madrid Mint (F.N.M.T.). Regarding the second side - this piece
also has the same legends and again are the same but are entirely on the
outer ring and the lettering is a little larger. The design in the centre
is some form of shield surrounded by 15 five-pointed stars (no bird). Both
pieces have beaded borders on both sides but that on one piece is not the
same as on the other. Does anyone else know of ANY other tokens with the
F.N.M.T mintmark ? Has anyone else seen this mintmark on anything
Bi-metallic?
D) The colours of the alloys used for this piece are rather similar to
those of my "PINGUINO VERDE" Italian Car Wash Bi-metallic token. Quite
possibly these two pieces are of the same two alloys. Furthermore my
example of this Car Wash token has an easily visible diecrack - so does my
new Bi-metallic token.
Images of both of the "Gettone, Play Token, No Cash Value" Bi-metallic
tokens mentioned here are to be found on the WBCC Homepage
(http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/7513/wbcc/wbcc.html). Full
descriptions have been given above though since not all members have web
access - some just have e-mail.
4. Bi-metallic from ancient times................by Rod Sell, Austrlia
Refering to WBCC Newsmail 116, item 4, about the rare Bi-metallic
Medallion of Gordian III, you can now see the page from the auction
catalog; Lot 992 of the CNG Triton II Auction in New York 1-2 December.
5. New Bi-metallic MTT(s) from Wijk bij Duurstede..by Frans Dubois
The Dutch city Wijk bij Duurstede will issue two Bi-metallic MTT's
(Municipal Trade Tokens). The first will be issued around December 1998 and
the second in 1999. The December one is with a white ring and a yellow
centre and the second has a red-copper ring with a white centre. I hope to
get more info in the next weeks and put it in one of the next WBCC
Newsmails. If you are interested in these pieces, please contact me at:
dubois.f@wxs.nl
6. Bi-metallic 2002 German Euros melt...........by Rod Sell, Australia
There is a report in one of our Numismatic magazines that Germany will
have to melt some of their future 2002 Euros because the stars around the
edge are pointing in the wrong direction.
It would appear that all the stars have to have one point straight up, and
the German coins have all stars with one point towards the rim of the coin
instead. This is apparent when looking at the German Bi-metallic 1 and 2
Euro on our 2002 Euro page.
7. 'Faulty' Bi-metallic British 2 Pound.......by Paul Baker, UK
On this subject I read the following posting on the forum page of the
British Royal Mint - a posting made in response to someone asking about a 2
Pound coin of theirs apparently having a missing "I" in the word "GIANTS"
or in this case "G ANTS"
--Quote
With regard to your faulty two pounds, it appears that this has slipped
through our Quality Department. I would not consider the coin to be a fake
and it doubt that it is worth anything as millions have been produced
(approx 60 million now in circulation). If you wish for the coin to be
examined, please send to the Royal Mint (address details on website) for
the attention of our Museum Curator, Mr G Dyer who will produce a report on
the coin.
--Unquote
This message to the forum was posted by: The Royal Mint on October 29, 1998
at 15:13:36:
8. Bi-metallic China 50 Yuan 1995...........by Rainer Barthel, Germany
China has made a new 50 Yuan 1995 World Women's Conference. Here is
the text of the certificate.
--Quote
The Commemorative Bi-metallic Coin of the 4th World Women's Conference´95
is a legal tender of the People's Republic of China, issued by the People's
Bank of China, minted by Shenyang Mint, and solely distributed by China
Gold Coin Incorporation. The obverse depicts the logo of the Conference,
the People's Great Hall and the commemorative wording, and the reverse
inscribes the happy gathering of women in Beijing. It's 30 mm in diameter,
99.9% in fineness, 50 Yuan in face value, and contains 1/3 ounce of pure
gold, 1/6 ounce of pure silver. The total mintage is 3000 pieces.
--Unquote
You can see a picture of this Bi-metallic on te WBCC Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/7513/wbcc/wbcc.html
9. Bi-metallic rumour...................by Kyle Mutcher, Canada
There is a rumour that there will be a commemorative Bi-metallic in 1999
for Canada. Who knows more about this? Please E-mail me at:
kmutcher@mb.sympatico.ca
10. Bi-metallic Pobjoy token...................by Ray Lockwood, USA
I noticed in the October catalog, on Page 17, for Great Britain, the 1990
Pobjoy Mint token. I have two different Pobjoy tokens for that year. One is
the Queen's Award and the other is the Krause Publications Award for the
Best Coin Design for 1990...both tokens are the same diameter and metal
content. I will attempt to describe the Pobjoy token:
On the obverse is the famous postage stamp, the one penny black of England.
The stamp has the likeness of Queen Victoria on it. Around the stamp are
these words, 150th anniversary crown penny black. Also on the outer ring
are these words: Coin of the Year Winner 1990. On the reverse in the center
is the logo of Krause Publications: a large K and P with the words, since
1952. In the outer ring are the words: Awarded by World Coin News to Pobjoy
Mint. The metal content and arrangement is identicle to the token which is
well.
--Remark WBCC Focal Point: I have try to get more information about this
item, but Pobjoy doesn't take the time to give an answer. They are really
cunsumer unfriendly.
11. Meeting WBCC members............by Kyle Mutcher, Canada
I would also like to find out if there is any WBCC members on the East
Coast of the USA from Washington DC to New York City that would be
interested meeting for a coffee. I'm in Washington DC now (until
Christmas). I love to meet new people, maybe I should be the WBCC
ambassador. You can E-mail me at: kmutcher@mb.sympatico.ca. Have my LapTop
with me.
12. Bi-metallic Mexico 1 Peso 1992 pattern...by Ray Lockwood, USA
I attended our Indiana State Numismatic Association show on Friday and
saw a test peso from Mexico, one of 50 or so patterns which were minted
prior to the 1992 release of the Bi-metallic one peso and higher
denominations. The dealer, Mr. Don Bailey of Michigan, had an asking price
of $300.00 for it. He claimed that only 50 of these were minted. Do you or
other WBCC members have knowledge of such a pattern Bi-metallic? Please let
me and the other WBCC members know, E-mail me at: sunray@comteck.com
13. New Bi-metallic images...........by Rod Sell, WBCC Homepage Provider
This week we have a large selection of new images
(http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/7513/wbcc/wbcc.html) including:
* Gordian III Bi-metallic medal. Lot 993 Triton II Auction New York 1-2
December.
* Thailand 1998 10 Baht, King Chulalongkorn Tour
* Thailand 1998 10 Baht, 13th Asian Games
* Ireland 2002 2 Euro
* US $1 Trade Token from Marco's Cafe of Chicago Illinois
* Portugal 2002 1 and 2 Euro
* US 5 Cent Trade Token from Woodlawn Cafe of Chicago Illinois
Pictures of:
* Martin Peeters, Jean Verleg and Frans Dubois in Amsterdam
* Frans Dubois and Martin Peeters checking the Krause Catalogue
* Rod Sell giving a B-Metallic Talk in Coffs Harbour, Australia.
* Vatican 1982 500 Lire
* Vatican 1994 500 Lire
* Vatican 1996 500 Lire
* US Bickford Dollar.
Enjoy !
14. Free (Bi-metallic) add..............by Martin Peeters, Netherlands
From Roman Schneider of Germany I've got the following message:
--Quote
GRATIS-Münzkleinanzeigen sind jetzt möglich:
Auf der Seite:
http://home.t-online.de/home/RomanSchneider
kann man jetzt gratis Münzkleinanzeigen (Kauf, Verkauf, Tausch) aufgeben.
Einfach ausprobieren!
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Roman Schneider
--Unquote
It means you can put free (Bi-metallic) coin adds (buy, sell, trde) in this
webpage.
15. Coin World article.....................by Martin Peeters, Netherlands
The following article I could read in US coinpaper Coin World of october
26, 1998 under 'Readers Ask', by Richard Giedroyc
--Quote
What can yon tett me about this coin?
Louis B. Burke New Haven, Conn.
(Depicting a Bi-metallic France 10 Franc1988 *)
The ringed bimetal 198810-franc coin is an issue of France. France issued a
copperaluminum-nickel composition 10-franc coin between 1974 and 1987. The
coin was withdrawn in favor of a copper-nickel coin of the same
denomination because it was deemed to be too heavy, too easy to oxidize and
could be used as a different denomination in vending machines. The
copper-nickel composition 10-franc coin that replaced this issue was in
circulation about two months and was quickly demonitized Dec. 31, 1986,
because it could easily be confused with the circulating half franc coin of
the same diameter, weight and color. The oversight cost the master of the
Mint (Monnaie de Paris) his job. His replacement, Patrice Cahart,
introduced the ringed bimetal coin. Although it is not the first modern
circulating bimetal coin, it popularized the concept. Bimetal coins are now
used in many countries around the world.
--Unquote
* údd by WBCC Focal Point
16. Bi-metallic watch....................by Dean Neald, Canada
The following might be of intrest to the members. In my latest newsletter
from the Reserve Bank of New Zealand "Mintage Notes -October 1998" the
following offer was included. It is a watch made from the 1994 New Zealand
50 cent Bi-metallic coin. Only 200 of these watches will be made. This is
what they say about the watch. Superbly polished and delicately hand coated
with pure gold and silver to enhance the fine points of this outstanding
coin.
- A handsome watch surrond, coated with 22 carat gold.
- top quality, precision Swiss quartz movement.
- A superior two-tone matching band.
- Full two year guarantee.
As they expect lots of intrest these watches are being offered by ballot.
The draw will take place November 20, 1998. Price will be NZ $395.00
(including GST, packing & Postage).
To contact them:
Phone: Overseas 64-4-471-3930
Fax: (64-4) 471-0313
E-Mail: collectors@rbnz.govt.nz
Write to: Collectors' Currency, PO Box 2498 Wellington New Zealand.
Website: http//www.rbnz.govt.nz
"See" you next week and happy collecting,
Martin Peeters, Focal Point of the
Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club
martinp@westbrabant.net or
martinp@concepts.nl
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