Why did the DHS just order 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition?

UPDATE!!!!

DHS also has a bid out for 175 Million rounds of . 223 Rifle Ammo.

REQUIREMENT:The total requirement is to provide an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in the base year and an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in each of four option years in accordance with Attachment 2, Statement of Work for .223 Remington Caliber SD and .223 Remington Caliber EP Ammunition.

The Department of Homeland security has just executed an order for enough rounds of 40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States.

A shocking new defense contract entered by the Department of Homeland Security to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply and infinite delivery, raises the question of just what they are preparing for? Massive civil unrest? An invasion by a foreign power?

The order is to supply 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, which is more than one bullet for every single person in the United States.

The contract also comes with the additional caveat that the order is forward-looking, which means it can be revised upward or downward depending on a variety of factors, some of which also happen to contribute to civil unrest — including governmental spending, budgetary policies and economic conditions.

The Intel Hub alerts us about the contract:

ATK Awarded Contract to Supply 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber Ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security.

The 1 year contract with four option years comes at a time when many Americans believe that DHS, along with certain aspects of the military, will soon turn their sights on the American people during some sort of martial law scenario.

“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, the president of ATK’s Security and Sporting group,” reported a PR Newswire release.

The Department of Homeland Security has been extremely busy in the last few months.

Whether it be mastering their surveillance of social media, planning to build level 4 bio weapons labs in the middle of the country, defending Globalism, lying to Congress about their big brother policies, labeling people who believe in conspiracy theories as potential terrorists, or taking over cyber security, DHS seems to be actively working against the American people on every front.

Considering this, the fact that they are openly ordering millions more rounds of ammunition should at the very least give the American people pause.

As 2012 continues to move forward and the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the American people kicks into high gear, federal agencies seem hell bent to continue to gear up for a possible confrontation with the people of this once great country.

You mentioned that they could use it for training purposes but it was reported here that they are hollow points. Otherwise, you have a point.

As for the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Well, we have a foreign usurper in the White House with an obviously and proven beyond a doubt fraudulent birth certificate and with a phoney social security number and who would not be eligible to be President even if his story were true. Both of his parents need to have been American citizens.

Said usurper has reaffirmed, yet again, his claim that he is an omniscient dictator who has the right to kidnap, kill,and indefinitely detain American citizens without due process. He also claims the right to enslave Americans and steal energy, water, food, and other resources. This was a Friday executive order that he snuck in at the end of the week. The administration already claimed some of these rights and if that is not enough reason for rending & gnashing, this has been preceded by other totally and unquestionably unconstitutional legislation such as The Patriot Act (so-called by lying criminals), Military Commissions Act, the recent National Defense Authorization Act, and now the usurper’s executive order. People are tortured or sent to other countries (rendition) for the purpose of their torture and this is official policy! We have a so-called Justice Department that allows thugs armed with clubs to insult, intimidate, and drive voters away from the polling place, so long as the armed thugs are black and the victims are white. Holder proudly stated that the totalitarian thought crime Hate Crimes law will not protect whites, just everyone else! This is on the record and on video and is verifiable and I saw and heard it myself.

The official story is that we were attacked by Arabs who received no aid whatsoever and coordinated from Afghan caves that whole complex operation AND turning airplanes simultaneously in the tiny areas that had no radar coverage even though all of the flights had been delayed at the last minute.

YET AMERICANS CITIZENS, PEOPLE WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ARABS, AND WHO ARE OLD LADIES, LITTLE INNOCENT SIX YEAR OLD GIRLS, AND THE OTHER DAY AND LITTLE BOY IN A WHEELCHAIR ARE GETTING GROPED, HUMILIATED, MANHANDLED, MISTREATED, ABUSED, DEGRADED, TERRIFIED AND OTHERWISE ROBBED OF THEIR GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS GUARANTEED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND YOU TANK SOLDIERS AND OTHER SOLDIERS WHO SWORE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND DEFEND IT FROM ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC HAVE DONE NOTHING TO REINSTATE OUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS CODIFIED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND PROTECT LITTLE CHILDREN AND OLD LADIES AND OTHER CITIZENS!

I do not know if you are here in an official capacity or just on your own time and for your own interest. But I will reiterate: we have plenty of reason for tooth gnashing and rending of garments!

Most law enforcement agencies train and qualify with the duty round rather than a substitute FMJ round.

As for the rest, the Constitution says what it says not what you want it to say. I very seriously doubt you REALLY want the military deciding what is and is not Constitutional in the US, or enforcing laws or running people you don’t like out of home or office.

Obama may NOT be a citizen, but nobody has proven it conclusively (tho I have my doubts myself), no one has made an adequate case in court and over half the population wants him to be President regardless.

If you don’t want him to be President in 2012 you need to change the opinion of the people who elected him last time, and I don’t think foam-speckled rants are going to do that.

However for now it DOES exist and THIS particular contract is a non-issue. USBP, USGC, FPS, CBP, ICE… probably a dozen Fed LE agencies fall under the DHS banner now, and all the major ones besides USSS use .40S&W sidearms.

We’re talking about POTENTIALLY 90 million rounds over five years, from a company that produces over 6.5 BILLION rounds per year. If they’re trying to “buy up” the supply, it’s going to take them a while at that rate.

Again, you do make a lot of good points. If you look at my contributions to this site, you will see that my focus has not been a claim to an ominous nature of this purpose for these particular purchases. However, the whole direction of our government now has been leaps and bounds into absolute tyranny. That is extremely ominous. That you seem to be implying that this is not so and that the government is disregarding the Bill of Rights and other limits on its power in the Constitution IS ominous. Perhaps you are trying to protect a guilty conscience.

Indeed, I have pointed out that the cup is not half empty but half full with regard to large ammunition contracts. Just as NATO coordinates the use of certain ammunition and weapons, so we can for example, use sidearms and rifles that will allow us to use any spare ammunition that might be around, and indeed, if factories have many contracts for large orders for certain type of ammunition, it might be a good idea to have a weapon that can fire that common ammunition.

I know what the Bill of Rights and the Constitution in general says. Indeed, you are ascribing positions for me that I have not taken. I am well educated. I speak two foreign languages and I have 81 semester credits in the social sciences, mainly history. I have not interpreted for you so you have no basis for claiming that it does not say what I want it to say. I know what it says, what it means, and that is what I want it to say. I think that on the whole, it is an excellent guide to hold government to its contract with its citizens. Government is only legitimate if it keeps its contract to protect the God-given rights of its citizens. A government that abrogates those rights is an illegitimate government.

There is only one thing that it does not say that it should say. It should say that those who blatantly and unconstitutionally deny citizens their rights should be punished severely. It would need to be much more specific, however, and not too broad.

I once heard a D.A. explain that if a law is on the books but it has no penalty, it is not really illegal to break that law even though a state legislature, for example, might say, “it is illegal to practice promiscous group sex.” The legislature is just making a strong moral statement. This is just an example that is actually somewhat similar to a piece of legislation in one of our states. However, there is no penalty so promiscuous swingers really are not doing something illegal, according to that D.A. This is perhaps why W. famously insulted and disparaged The Constitution and therefore the American people.

I was not asking for military action. I am not. I do not trust the American Military as far as I can thow it (I could probably throw a lot of it’s members about five feet but that is not a threat). I am not even sure who you are or who you work for. If you really are a tank soldier, I don’t know who”s tank soldier you are. For all I know, you are a former tank soldier who moved on to work for Tsayaret Golani and later went on to work for Mossad as a damage control on the internet psyops operative (look it up, there are such). I do not know about you.

Back to the military comments. I am saying that on several occasions the U.S. military has completely violated the Posse Comitatus Act in the last twenty years and is still doing so. I am saying that most of the power structure in the U.S., police, military, legislative, executive, judicial is complicit in blatant, obvious, and gigantic crimes and violations of the U.S. Constitution and are indeed so brazen and contemptuous of the American Citizens (and their own relatives and progeny) that they have put us in a state of medieval barbarism in which we have even been denied the rights guaranteed by the Magna Carta! I am saying stop being complicit.

You should read and watch Judge Andrew Napolitano, he makes a lot of good points about the Constitution. Indeed, it is absolutely obvious that any reasonable reading of the Constitution shows that the American (globalist, collectivist scum) power structure is light years away from confining itself to what is allowed under the Constitution. Anybody with even just an average IQ can see that. This does not require a genius. Of course complicit minions who want to assuage their conscience and criminals who knowingly commit crimes and deny us our God-given, if you will (or Natural, if you will not), rights, will not be able to see it. The apathetic scum who do not think that it matters will also not see it. But mark my words, those who support this are creating a Hell on Earth in which their descendants will suffer!

P.S. I think that a very strong case has been made and it is obvious that felonies have been committed in faking the birth certificate, hiding that crime, and stealing another person’s social security number. A good starting point for research on the issue would be to read Devy Kidd on the subject. Then read Corsi. Then read their reference citations. I am glad to see that you are rational about the issue, however. For further background on Obama (and God knows much of it is hidden), I recommend Webster Griffin Tarpley’s two books on Obama. I do not agree with Tarpley’s socialism and attacks on libertarian-leaning people but he is an excellent researcher and writer and he has brought many crimes to light.

Actually, I suspect that your arrogant ASSumption that we do not understand the Constitution (your previous assumption that we do not know that Christ is a title is pretty arrogant and presumptuous, too) might indicate that you are at work here and you are a law enforcement officer or milit. int.or psyp psy warfare “person” monitoring and arguing on websites. Many law enforcement officers run into a lot of people talking about their rights who do not know what they are talking about. So, using canine logic, they assume that everyone that they come across does not know what they are talking about. Also, authoritarian personality types love their obsession with “expertism,” unless you are a recognized expert specialist in a field, you do do not have a right to an opinion or do not know what you are talking about, they “reason.”

Do you also question Judge Andrew Napolitano’s bona fides for having the opinion that government has behaved quite unconstitutionally and continues to do so? Of course he was fired for speaking the truth. That is some evidence supporting my assertions of the prevalence of the fascist and fabian marxist attacks on freedom.

Unfortunately, the Deliberate Dumbing Down has gone way too far, including the dumbing down of law enforcement officers and military personnel (they were already dumbed down in school and were chosen in the academies or training for their fascist attitudes). Indeed, it is documented, and there was a publised news story about the fact that AT LEAST ONE POLICE DEPARTMENT REJECTS RECRUITS IF THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH IQ!. They apparently prefer slightly above average intelligence but they eschew using candidates who are really quite bright and gifted or who are geniuses. http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

Since you did not answer me about whether you are here professionally or not, I would say that there is a strong possibility that you are.

Here is a link about the deliberate dumbing down. You can read the book for free.

True. New London, CT. Guy’s IQ they turned down was 125 (i.e., if you’re smarter than the average college student they expected you’d get tired of being a cop and quit on ‘em, taking your expensive training w/ you). Of course, that means the detectives (who must be beat cops for 3 years first), the leadership and eventually the chief will be no smarter than dumber college students (like Occupy Wall Street). Crooks, of course, have no intelligence limit. They just made New London a great place to be a crook.

Sonya “Wise Latina” Sotomeyer was on the 2nd Circuit Court at the time it ruled that it wasn’t discrimination because the same standard was applied to everyone and anyone scoring too high would’ve been rejected, not just that guy (which, ironically, legalized the “bag test” in refusing to hire someone who’s darker than a brown paper bag if you refuse to hire everyone darker than the brown paper bag). Violated the 14th Amendment (equal protection under the law) but left/liberals don’t like the intelligent (except themselves) for having “too much” that can’t be redistributed and that guy couldn’t afford to take it to the Supreme Court.

It is possible to do so, and I did. Odin is rarely referred to as “Christ” so he probably doesn’t much care how I use the word… and the God of the Christians has plenty else to be mad at me about already.

…oh, and “Christ” is a title, not a name but I doubt you know the history of Christianity well enough to realize that.

Now, if we’re done with the ad hominem attacks perhaps we can address the matter at hand.

There IS plenty to criticize the Obama administration for, and several administrations previous while you’re at it, but THIS isn’t one of them.

Further, if a single one of you running around with your hair on fire had stopped for ONE SECOND and applied a smidgen of critical thinking you would have realize this is a non-issue.

Obama wasn’t just elected by the idiots voting for him, he was elected by the idiots opposing him as well.

“…oh, and “Christ” is a title, not a name but I doubt you know the history of Christianity well enough to realize that.”

1. What an artless dodge. Be honest with us, supercilious ‘tanksoldier': When you exclaimed “fer christ sake” you were NOT using “Christ” as a generic title, you were referring to Jesus Christ.

2. As for your gratuitous insult to Sage, you have no idea whom you’re dealing with. But a look at her page on FOTM should give you an idea. You’re a fool.

“Now, if we’re done with the ad hominem attacks”

Sage’s polite request to you to refrain from blaspheming by using God’s name and title as your exclamation mark, is neither an attack nor is it ad hominem. You are a non-paying guest on Fellowship of the Minds. At least try to be courteous and observe our rules and etiquettes, if only just out of deference for your hosts.

“Obama wasn’t just elected by the idiots voting for him, he was elected by the idiots opposing him as well.”

Really? That makes you an idiot too. You also have a peculiar notion of what “elect” means — a definition unique only to Your Royal Pomposity.

To conclude, you’ve been rude, condescending, the height of narcissistic grandiosity, and insulting to the writers and commenters of FOTM. You are no longer welcome here.

I would like to address the claim made by British Commonwealth subjects here and at other sites that the U.S. drives their policies. No, you are absolutely wrong. Among other centers of power, Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, sends marching orders to the Council on Foreign Relations and other organized crime and Fabian Marxist roundtables like the Trilateral Commission, among others. Bilderberg also does this. The U.S. lackeys and those in Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere force these policies on their minions. There are several such powerful and competing organized crime organizations who all want glabal (and they are globalist) centralized collectivist control.

The government is trying to limit its citizens to small 10 round magazines for citizen guns, while an internal government security agency, DHS, is buying millions of rounds.
In World War II, England desperately needed to get its citizens armed, when it feared an invasion by Germany. Unfortunately, England continues to disarm its citizens.
When will we ever learn. When will we ee-ver learn!

What my educated guess is that since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down and there has been talk of the defense budget being cut dramatically, the military is trying to replenish a massive stockpile of ammunition. The more ammo they can get now, the longer their stockpile will last, and the easier it is to get it done without having to deal with future budget issues. While they still can get away with it, the dept. of homeland security is being used to fill up the armories.

It’s well known that our military does this. At the beginning of Desert Storm (1990-91) our fighting men were issued ammo that was vintage from the Vietnam era (I know this because I had friends there who opened up cans that were dated 1970). That is because our military had massive stockpiles of the stuff. It’s much easier to respond quickly to a future threat (especially one that develops quickly) if you have the ammo sitting in warehouses ready to go at a moments notice. Plus if you are trying to be sneaky at the beginning of a conflict (for the element of surprise), it doesn’t make much sense start buying massive amounts of Ammo. Lake City Army Ammunition Plant (which is the largest supplier of US Military small arms ammunition) is ran by a publically traded company (Alliant Techsystems ATK on NYSE). So if all a foreign enemy has to do is watch the stock prices of military supply contractors to know when our military is on the move and planning something, the US Military would look pretty stupid.

The DHS ordering 450 Million rounds of ammo isn’t that crazy when you consider the the above mentioned Lake City Army Ammunition Plant produced nearly 1.4 Billion (thats Billion with a B) rounds of ammo last year (and for many years before that).

So, if you consider the fact that I know people in my own town that have 40,000 plus rounds of ammo in their private stockpiles, the government stockpiling that much doesn’t sound out of the ordinary at all.

I feel sorry for those of you that can’t use deductive reasoning to look something instead of jumping into it with a conpiracist eye.

Strange, I just checked all the suppliers I deal with and they have plenty of .556 ammo. This is a repeat of the Obama is going to ban gun c rap of the 2008 election.

Bert Gummer says:
March 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm

I’ve done some checking with actual manufacturers. They concur with the devaluation of the dollar as the price increase, but they’re running their manufacturing lines at full capacity. They have noted a increase in demand from foreign countries that meet the State Department’s export policies. Going to the source of this article, I conclude there is a seed planted that would result in “panic buys”, thus driving the market pricing & supply.
I recently went to my local “Wally World”. They had the Federal Penetrator Ammo 420 rds cans for a flat $150. 15 cans were on the shelf. Not a bad buy at the time. I didn’t have the cash with me, but returned the next day to buy a can of “blasting” ammo. No good. Some fella from California bought all 15 cans. The clerk informed me that this fella was taking it back home and retailing it for $275 a can! The profit he’d make would pay for his trip. So one can see that some of the State & Local laws are driving the pricing & demand, plus the slew of “Patriot for Profit” types that are carpetbagging around. We have these War Profiteer POS around for every conflict, perceived or actual. Their time will come, albeit, belated. Nothing wrong in making profit, but bankrupting a cause or a person is nothing more than Treason or murder. Crimes that should be dealt with harshly, IMO.

Maybe it hasn’t affected availability or maybe it hasn’t in some locales. That’s great! I just quickly skimmed the article. I had read an article some time previously in which it was claimed that government officials had tried to prevent gun or ammo sales to the public from legitimate dealers, perhaps connected to the “Fast and Furious” operation and scandal and I didn’t think that I needed to read all of this article. It is said that the devaluation of the dollar and commodities traders cause the price of oil to rise, too. These are smaller time traders but they are a factor.

Some have claimed that the “Fast and Furious” operation was an operation designed to attack 2nd Ammendment Rights. There apparently is evidence of that. It is certainly important for us to be vigilant about such things. Especially when State governments have been involved in limiting purchases of ammo by law or have attempted to do so. Even if some of these purchases are routine, it is important to be vigilant and also to remember that the cup is half full even when the govt. is making extraordinary purchases. Of course a routine purchase on the part of a bloated and overbearing and huge federal law enforcement and domestic surveillance apparatus is not a good thing. DHS is not a good thing. Carpetbaggers are a pain. We have all kinds of carpetbaggers where I live.

Yes, now I have read the story more thoroughly. I didn’t read the comments the first time and I skimmed it. I do remember having read about federal agents trying to block ammo and gun sales particularly along the border areas but also elsewhere and some of it was connected to Fast and Furious, I believe. I read so many news articles on such subjects that it is hard to remember all of the details. I have articles archived, though.

Researchers have discovered all kinds of connections between coloring and cognitive and emotional factors and other, seemingly unrelated factors, in animals and humans.

“I cannot imagine the idiocy of this set-up~! ” You are onto something there, too! Idiots do not want to have to supervise geniuses. It makes them very angry.

Apparently, the police departments prefer just slightly above average, this is enough to help them do the job. I would guess that anyone above that might be a threat due to their ability to analyze and expose the hypocrisy, criminal behavior, and incompetence that is so common in many departments and in public policy in general nowadays. There have been a lot of warnings about this type of thing in the distopian science fiction of some of the great writers and in the writings of many current elitists who advocate a dumbed down public. Of course a control freak does not want his lackeys to be as intelligent or more intelligent than he is. Consider this: Would you like to raise cattle with an IQ of 160? Maybe more apropos: If you were a rancher, would you want a cutting horse with an IQ of 160 who could talk? I guess he would be a sort of Mister Ed:)

In fact, elitist machinations to prevent competition are well documented. John D. Rockefeller said “Competition is a sin.” This shows elitist attempts to prevent honest competition and to keep truly competent people from competing them (those already in power). It also demonstrates that corporatists and corporations are opposed to and are at odds with a free market, competition, and rewarding and empowering the most competent people. Corporations and free markets are at odds with each other. Rockefeller also said, “Good leadership consists of showing average people how to do the work of superior people.” This could be interpreted in the less inspiring context which we are discussing instead of the conclusion that he was an inspirational leader like Vince Lombardy, especially in the light of his statement on competition.

The higher ranks probably feel threatened by officers who are much more intelligent than they are and personality tests have shown that frequently police officers are people who crave control and in fact many have scores that are quite similar to convicts in the Penn. This would explain the reaction that many of them have when dealing with a really intelligent member of the public. They go into a rage. They feel inadequate.

I know that in the academies they claim that they do not work for the public and they ridicule members of the public who say that they do. They have absolute contempt for the public.

My purpose is not to ridicule people of lower intelligence. In a way it is just the luck of the draw and one’s circumstances in life that create some of these hardships. Obviously gifted people face discrimination, fear, jealousy and vindictiveness, often. I do oppose some of the heavy-handed control freak attitudes in which people are treated like cattle and I think that this kind of policy is based on the mentality of managing people as a herd of domesticated animals. These policies are cultivated from the top down. From the very top of the pyramid.

With the recently passed and signed into law, NDAA, the attempted SOPA & PIPA legislation as well as the FAA order to allocate civilian airspace to unmanned drones and now the goons at the DHS ordering approximately 1-1/3 rounds of .40 caliber pistol ammo per inhabitant of the United States, the aim of our central government is clear. With American citizens gunning up at record rates and buying ammo by the pallet load, the thugs at the DHS, who have previously been content to grope us at the airport are preparing for the widespread failure of civil authority and wholesale civil disobedience. In short, they know they’re in for a fight. The Supreme Court will announce its decision on the Affordable Care Act by the end of June; just about the time the presidential race is heating up in earnest. I look for our central government to do all it can to provoke a rebellion so that it can declare a state of martial law and further suspend what little is left of habeas corpus and the balance of our civil rights not destroyed by that treasonous piece of legislative detritus, The USA PATRIOT Act.

Regarding the DHS ammunition stockpiling… Here’s an excerpt from Sir Patrick Henry’s famous “Give me liberty or give me death speech”… “Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other.”

You know why the DHS has bought 450 million rounds of .40 caliber pistol ammunition, which amounts to roughly 1-1/2 rounds for every man, woman and child in the U S, and so do I. They know that the American people are incensed over what we’ve allowed to happen with what used to be a central government. They know that we are well armed and some of us are very well trained in the use of weapons and military tactics. They know that we’re about one metaphorical inch from taking up arms against a government that has become destructive of its stated ends, and now exists only to serve the self interests of those politicians in power in that cesspool of crony capitalism and corruption, the U. S. Congress and the corporations and unions to whom they’ve sold their votes and their souls for campaign contributions. They know that they’re likely going to be called upon to risk their lives against the lives of their own countrymen when, not if the revolution begins.

Shouldn’t we have the right to know why they spent our tax money on so much ammo….unnecessarily? So much for transparent govt NObama promised when he said “change was coming to the American people”. What he meant was a change to Socialism….

This is not target practice ammo. This is much more expensive murder ammunition, and any soldier take prisoner in possession of such “dum-dums” would usually be summarily shot as a war criminal, not one who is protected by the Geneva Convention. This is against all the laws of war and peace!