While Markets Get Seized: Pedophiles Launch a Crowdfunding Site

I was going to post this just a few hours before the news about Operation Onymous started to flow in, but now it seems more relevant than ever. I am sure that once the media starts showing interest in real crimes, Law Enforcement budgets will be adjusted accordingly.

Dark Net Crowdfunding Site for Child Pornography is Launched

In case any Law Enforcement agent or agency is feeling bored: one of our dark net sources provided us with some information on an illicit, dark net operation that could use some of your government resources. Recently, a person or group reached a new low when it started promoting a new “Darknet crowdfunding site” aimed at child pornography producers looking to make some money from their “content.” This crowdfunding site describes the “unfair” reality where child pornography producers are unable to earn money from their “productions.” Since people share child pornography videos for free on Tor’s various CP sites right after the first copy is sold, according to the site, producers miss out on a large portion of the potential revenue that could be “earned.” The new site aims to tackle this problem by offering a crowdfunding platform for child pornography producers:

This site is the best method for child porn producers to sell their content. Before, it was almost impossible to make commercial grade child porn, since as soon as they sell it to one person, that video is all over TOR for free. This site aims to solve that problem by having many pedos each contribute a small amount of bitcoin towards the video. Once the total contribution reaches the asking price, the video is released here, on this site, to everyone who contributed at least 0.05 bitcoin. The producer is then paid the asking price, minus a 22% commission. If the asking price is not reached after one month, then everyone who made a contribution is given their money back and the video is erased from the server.

The site’s administrator then went on to explain how he has “Zero tolerance for rape or even coercing an unwilling child to participate.”:

Our biggest concern is the welfare of children who appear on this site. {Site name redacted} has a ZERO tolerance policy for rape or even coercing an unwilling child to participate. If there is even the slightest hint that your video contains an unwilling participant, it will not be posted on the site. Light bondage is acceptable as long as it’s just role playing and the child does not appear to be in distress. In addition, children younger than three years will not be allowed to appear on this site, since children younger than that do not necessarily have the ability to communicate whether they like what you are doing to them. The same goes for children who are asleep.

We also require that if you are a producer, you must pay your child actors a fair wage. The purpose of this site is so that your delicious lolis can afford college, not so that you can exploit them for your own personal gain. Of course we have no way to enforce this rule, but please respect it anyway since it is the right thing to do.

Obviously, this operation could not exist without some safety advice and Bitcoin tumbling:

People seeing this site may be concerned about the anonymity of bitcoins. There have been many false rumors in the pedo community that bitcoins are traceable. You can protect yourself with a bitcoin mixer like fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion. You can transfer bitcoins from fogcore directly to your bitcoin address on this site. You can also protect yourself through buying and selling bitcoins with cash instead of a bank account at localbitcoins.com. Localbitcoins.com requires javascript. Make sure you disable javascript before returning to any onion website.

Sites like this one mentioned in this article make the child pornography “industry” even worse than it would be otherwise, because they provide an incentive for expanding the production of child pornography. According to our source, people are already capitalizing on this incentive; there are already live campaigns on this site that are being funded.

Here is a screenshot of the site, provided to us by our source, with the site’s details redacted:

So LE, Now that all these horrifying Silk-Roadian-Market Sites are down (Ok not all of them, just few), Lets see how fast you could take this one down along with the others. Ready? Go.

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Update – On November 29, 2014, the site displayed this message from the owner, and was later taken down by its owner:

I spent over 100 hours coding this site, I spent over $300 hosting it, and I spent over $1000 of my own bitcoins contributing to videos because I wanted this site to become successful and I wanted you to all be able to see these videos. And how do you reward me for my generosity? By spitting in my face. You accused me of being a cop, you accused me of being a scammer. You made up fake rumors about bitcoins being unsafe to scare people away from my site. All because you are self-entitled brats who wanted your CP for free instead of having to pay producers a fair price.I never scammed anyone. I released every video as promised. I paid every producer on time. Even now in closing, I have returned all remaining bitcoins to the person who contributed them instead of running away with them myself. But that did not stop you from lying about me.

The bottom line is you do not deserve this service I created for you and you certainly do not deserve to have me in your community. I am shutting down PedoFunding indefinitely. Maybe one day if there is enough demand to bring it back I will bring it back at the same address. (If you see a different onion address it is not me running it.) But after what this community has done to me, you will have to BEG me to come back

Update: Giving the community one last chance.

“I have been monitoring pedo forums and many people have said they wish this site was still running and that I should have kept it going longer to give it a good chance of taking off. I am going to give the pedo comunity one last chance. The two active campaigns have had their time remaining reduced to one week. The total amount contributed has been reset to zero since I already refunded everyone’s bitcoins from these campaigns. If both of these videos are both successfully funded, I will keep running the site and I will also create a new feature that allows hoarders to get a little bit of money for posting their all-ready-made videos from other producers. All normal rules about releases and refunds will be in effect for these two campaigns.

So here you have it, tor-pedos: This is your chance to vote with your wallets whether PedoFunding stays, or leaves the darknet forever.”

333 comments

Unfortunately even if they take down this site, OpenBazaar, a p2p network of e-commerce that cannot be taken down, can easily replace it, and OB will not have a moral stance like the admin of this site does (and it wont have a 22% commission either yikes!).

1) the developers of the project have not added tor support
2) there are better things out there but you have to be smart enough to run it and also it depends on people actually contributing
3)you are a pedophille, go get help if you are not even the slightly disgusted by what they are wanting to do.

One day you will fuck with the wrong kid and get what is coming to you. I saw punks like you get raped and killed in prison once exposed. And they screamed like the little bitches that they were.
Its only a matter of time punk

Its one thing for an adult to buy medication but THEIR ARE NO WILLING CHILDREN PARTICIPATING IN PORN. THE FEDS NEED TO FOCUS ON THESE SATANIC SCUMBAGS. I THINK INSTEAD OF PRISON, THEY SHOULD BE SODOMIZED AND THEN ELECTRIC CHAIR. EVEN THAT IS TOO GOOD FOR THEM.

Don’t call them Satanic, one of the main things about Satanists is that they don’t harm animals or children, you can call them sick perverts, you can call them fucked in the head, or whatever insult you wanna throw, but don’t call them Satanic, leave us out of this sick bullshit

I don’t consider a 3 yr old a “lad” You CHOSE to lose your virginity. That’s the issue here. A child cannot choose. Of course a child can like something. But a child cannot choose if an adult is influencing him or her. Pedophiles are sadistic sick bastards who don’t realize what they are doing to children. Once you sexually stimulate a child that child loses their innocence. Nothing is natural anymore. It’s caused by a sick adult. You cause the child to act out sexually in public or do things to other children because he or she can’t control the urge of sex or when it happens. I’ll never forget this statement by an FBI agent “He (6 yo little boy) got so aroused that he had to relieve himself in his pants during the interview” DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW YOU FUCKING PERVS??? If I ever come across a Pedophile I’ll make sure they don’t ever fuck with another child again. I promise you that.

I was i guess what you would call molested as a child and i enjoyed every second of it. I respect and love all children, would never cause one drop of pain to any child not even mentally. Let me guess you were “MOLESTED” as a child by someone who loved you very much and you them but after things came out you were looked at as if you were a lepper and told how wrong it was or you were going to hell or better yet wait, here it comes,how horrible that is and everyone was in agreement to this fact. It was a great subject and brainwashing of how wrong you were and now you strive to do everything right. YEA KUDOS TO YOU BITCH ! (you have to be a woman) P.S. If you were actually hurt by a truly sick person who does harm kids i’m truly sorry but i doubt it…)

all true satanist of any level of significance endulge in child rape torture and murder. blood sacrafafice of children and adults is common practice. your a wannabe which is prob a good thing for you. You have no idea what you are tinkering with you looser so find your spiritual self and turn to god before the purification begins. you have months at best.

hey, preacher- i am unclear on the manner of the content in your post, perhaps you misunderstood something, please allow me to clarify- never shall the blood of the innocent be shed, yet the blood of the wicked shall flow like a river. the three will spread their righteous blackened wings and be the vengeful striking hammer of god. For when I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, no evil shall be feared nor weapon formed against me prosper, for He is with me. Every angel of His kingdom will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger all those who attempt to poison and destroy his beloved brethren ; you will then know His name is Lord, when he lay his almighty vengeance upon thee, for thy kingdom come, thy *will be done* on earth as it is in heaven. give us this day our daily bread and forgive us of our trespassers as we forgive those who trespass against us, for His is the Kingdom, Power and Glory now and forever. So…yeah, sorry bruh, but u should consider getting your shit together before you get proverbially “knocked the fuck out” big time. kk ttyl

And for all you selfish drug addicted parents, a creation of your own selfish and foolish making, when your children are being molested by your father, uncle, cousin, closest friend… once it is exposed, just look them in their saddened eyes with your same selfish love and tell them, ” I’m so sorry. I should have seen something, some sign. Oh, oh yea, I couldn’t, because I was too busy getting high!”

Months? Are you for real? Now I’m no pagan, but I’m certainly no christian either. I love how people with no understanding of religious history are so quick to expectorate nonsense they have no understanding of. Being a pedo does not make one a satanist it makes one a sick piece of fecal matter.

I want to forward this to a news agency that would give it it’s due diligence. I cant believe this lowlife was so offended that his client base. I would beat this person to near death and then leave him to die. But, hey, he’s given you perves another shot. I hope yall all get raped by a horse.

I second the horse raping. We should find a stud all hopped up on testosterone and put all pedifiles in a rape rack for horses to sodimize, daily for 1 year for every little kid they have completely destroyed their lives.

What? Just because you love horse cock?
1. In my life I’ve seen friends kids fuck themselves with a bedpost from as early as 5. “Buddy your kid is bashing one out on the bedpost with the door wide open…”, ‘Oh yeah, child therapist says it’s totally natural and we SHOULDN’T dissuade her, we’re used to it’.
2. Pedophilia relates to prepubescent children.
3. I was once accused by an 11 yr old of rape for NOT fucking her as she liked and nearly got destroyed and murdered for her false allegations by HORSE rape retards like you.
4. Yes, they are kids, and if it is rape or they are too young to even have a sensation it is a crime. But, it is also as much instinct as is killing, fucking to reproduce or getting high on any manner of drug, from caffeine to ice.
5. Why are very violent movies rated M or MA, but simulated sexual encounters rated R when no penetration is shown? WHy is murder and violence better to see than sex?
6. All religions are trash, and caused more heinous death and pain than wars have, and let’s not forget the wars surreptitiously started or openly sanctioned by religions. Take your crosses, sickles, talmud, and pentagrams and fuck off. The planet would actually be better without you.
7. You should find something more productive to demonize, the percentage of pedos is no diff today than it’s ever been but propaganda just makes it so and provides those inable to think for themselves, more distraction – back to #6.
8. A woman i knew, who loves the Holy cross and blah fucking blah, kill pedos etc etc, giant hypocrite like most on here wanting horse dick for pedos (I guess again they want to share their love of horse dick) was banging her four legged stink pig dog and walked in on by hubby. Not an urban myth, he showed me the pics and video on his phone, how it went from “oh yeah baby, do mommy harder” to the surprised look on her face and her trying to get the dog knot out of her ass and crying all the while, claiming the dog was raping her, was very funny indeed. He’s made her drop the cross, live like a servant and tend to his every whim – good. She’d hate for that to get out and her moronic friends at the holy water cross shop to see it.
9. You should be worried about the Rothschilds and co pulling the puppet strings of those retarded fuckwit US of A holes politicians not very far off exacting their population control plans on the planet – hopefully, they start with all the morons on their own soil first.
10. When the end comes, I will slide into your homes like a snake and not fuck your kids. I promise, but I will enjoy their livers with a nice chianti.

No, what gives me wood is the thought of watching you all burn. Now that is fucking exciting.

inarguably sensible & poignant remarks, sir. consensual activities with a somewhat older cousin is what first opened my own mind to the fact that religion itself is abuse through indoctrination, and that there are greater wonders in life, outside the chains of “the mainstream” or status quo. love comes in many forms & this was just another one of them. but, haters gon’ hate & the close-minded will gleefully submit to and cherish their own self-loathing ignorance, sadly.

A grown up having sexual relations with a child is universally fucking wrong, don’t try to justify it. The age a child can experience sexual stimuli is completely irrelevant. It’s like saying it’s right to send 12 year olds to war because they can handle a rifle by that age.

I hear you man..these mutherfucker need to be shot and dumped in a ravine…ANYONE who find excitement in sexual exploits of anyone under age of 17..18 in U.S…. NEED TO BE THINNED FROM THE HERD..SO TO SAY

Obviously is a pedo. No one with a normal, healthy functioning brain could draw or conclude anything positive (on the basis of any logic whatsoever) from the production of child pornography. This person is obviously a pedo who is either in denial, or blatantly lying. As everyone who comes across this blog and sees these comments can easily determine – of course he/she is a pedo. It’s painfully obvious to even the most casual of readers. But you need a healthy, normally functioning human (not animal) brain to see that. We can all see it, because we are not pedos. The pedo denier is unable to see it, and therefore will never be able to see/understand the complete lack of believability/credibility to his statements. The positive thing about this is that because of his false belief in his “non pedo” status, he will continue to spout broken logic and faulty syllogisms in support of his position – and this will easily identify him as a pedo to everyone in his community (or online). The red flag that he is waving will provide everyone near/around him (or interacting in any way with him) with the adequate warning they need to know that they are dealing with a pedo, and must act/respond accordingly. I have lived all over the world, and hold multiple citizenships. I’ve met people with many varying degrees of moral fibre (or lackthereof lol). One thing that all non-pedos know with the utmost certainty is: either you are a pedo, or you are sickened, disgusted, and lose a certain degree of faith in the human species when the thought of these activities even crosses your mind. There is no middle ground. The problem is – if you do not have a normal brain, you can’t comprehend how despicable these activities are to normal people. The closest I have seen to a grey area are people who self-identify as being pedos (aka attracted to young children in some way), but are aware that it is completely unacceptable and do not indulge or condone the pursuit of this interest in any way. I have a modicum of respect for these people in regards to their status of self-awareness.

People who pray on children are a danger to society. If they cannot be contained, they must be destroyed. Children cannot protect themselves – it is our job to protect them. A healthy, functioning society needs to remove pedos from the fabric of society in order for us to continue to evolve in a positive way. Anything that feeds and harms the most vulnerable members of society (and has the audacity to try and defend it), obviously must be eliminated. It doesn’t necessarily need to mean death – although many would advocate that…the option of castration is also very much a viable alternative.

Wow. It amazes me to read all this posts by complete ravaged beasts. There is nothing wrong in child loving or Child Porn. Only bad things that are STDs and unwanted pregnancies that should be avoided. On the other hand I want to see any of you helping kids that are in orphanages or sick and in need of expensive medical care. In the US you probably send 5-10$ to some poor child in Africa via some website donation and go on your happy little life and visit your stupid christian, Islamic or other type of derange adult mind fantasies (you molest kids with your stupid ideologies and make them to be like you – deranged blood sucking individuals – we can see that by you supporting all this wars on terror or religious wars, making all so called 3rd world countries go extremely poor etc, there is no need to elaborate further to mind slaves and scam bags as most you are on the DW). So, how much of your scam bugging profits do you put into actual help for an individual child? Except smoking weed and meditating on how life is cool. What discusses me the most, that is you put your deranged and structured by government and school minds into JUDGING other people. For the dumb and stupid you – paedophiles do not rape kids, rapists rape them, paedophiles do not murder children, murderers murder children and so on. Just to show how dumb you are that even can not see a prospective of another fellow being. Anyway, continue spitting and showing truly who you are. LE’s have no need to interfere and follow the example of Retards in the American Retard Army Services (interesting how many of you support Army Services of any kind?) in Afghanistan where they allowed boy molestation practices as a cultural necessity.
Plus, all of the top officials in any country use kids to satisfy their pleasure and because most of them are sick individuals they even do some truly heinous things with the kids, that of no child loving of any sort.
You are just flock, livestock and nothing more and most likely never will be anything more, live your disgusting, miserable, purposeless lives and die, as billions have done before you and that will continue, unless a hang mummy will returned for the second or third time or may be till the end of some other poor made Jewish adult horror story. Just no need to elaborate further.
List of my wishes – 1. Muslims would occupy the west and instill their deranged sick minded religious ideology on you. 2- They will take your kids and make them do what the kids do in their countries to make their Heaven and Paradise on Earth and not wait for 72 virgins on Heaven. 3- Your salaries will drop to the level of India, better of Africa, so there will be only way for you to exist to sell your self to prostitution and if you try to do that to your kids, the DCFS will take your children away and sell them to some other country (as it is done in most international adoptions, when you amercans buy the kids for your pleasure). 4- And in the end, as you mostly believe in the Mummy Second Coming, it would cum and take your kids away into its Mummy’s paradise. etc, etc, etc.
The real pedoring so to call, and there are hundreds of them in the world, provide the child with ability to earn not only for their schooling but entire life as well as occupy best positions in the media, financial networks and et cetera. So, it is the best that can happen to the child if it is involved in pedo industry (the professional ones). Higher ups telling you that it is bad and you like little swine, chickens or hoola poopa agree with anything they say. Any way continue be scam bugs and defraud people, or continue to help your boss to use you for his satisfaction. In the end the Chicken Mummy will come for the Second Time and … hopefully you put it in mental hospital oh self-rigtous assholes.
And some hackers that wrote on here – made me LOL, stupid deranged [email protected]
P.S. Used OPSEC, so if something is hard to understand, than it is simple- you are from the USA and that means low IQ. Cheers.

Dude i hope they(the govt intelligence apparatus)
scoops you up, and as soon as possible. for everyone’s sake.
I know it different strokes for different folks.
But the STD’s and unwanted pregnancy are the only bad things that come from cp, and it is fucking bullshit.
YOUR AN ABUSER AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IF THERE IS ON…
i HOPE YOU DONT HAVE CHILDREN AND NEVER DO.
AND OH YEAH I HOPE YOU GO TO JAIL FOR A LONG TIME,
AND ARE SOMEONES, CASTRATED AND RAPED EVERY DAY INSIDE.
AND OH YEAH I ALSO HOPE YOU DIE OF THE MOST PAINFUL FORM OF CANCER THERE IS GOING.
IF I COULD I WOULD KILL YOU MYSELF
How is that for self entitled brat.
bye to you my you never pollute my thinking space again.
and hi to everyone else.

What’s its about?… Are you that fucking stupid?.. A good way to end up on FBI watch list man…just your thought of “checking one out”.. Last word..do you know what happens to people w/ sex crimes in prison?… GREEN LIGHTED FOR EVER

GREEN LIGHT FOREVER YOUR AN IDIOT SEX OFFENDERS ARE SOME OF THE MOST PROTECTED PEOPLE IN PRISON AND NOT PC YOU WANT EXTRA YEARS OR GET THROWN IN SEG GO GREEN LIGHTING PEDOS GANGS MORE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING MONEY ON DRUGS

I am not sure wehat you mean by green lighted
but i will say this much,
Pedo’s are the lowest link in the prison chain.
People in for abuse and/cp, well they get pc because
They will be killed asap.
The bad boys inside are criminals, they commit crimes
for what ever criminal enterprise.
Those monsters out there that prey on children,
well they are just predators.
And the other inmates don’t want to share they living space, with such pieces of shit.
So thy kill them with prejudice.
which i would have no problem doing in or out of prison
PEACE

I did time in a maximum security prison (I was a severe heroin addict and busted with a ton of dope) and I’m sorry to burst your bubble but pedos don’t really have a problem in prison. It’s nothing like you see on TV and while there is gang violence it’s mostly drug related.

It sucks because most of them deserve a hardcore beating for the shit they did to children. I had a pedo celly who made the mistake of bragging about fucking a seven year old kid. I beat the shit out of him because I wanted no part of that. I did 180 days adseg for it, no regrets.

All I did was read during my entire stay.

Lesson learned? Let the government give me my dope legally. I’m on 600mgs of Methadone daily now which lets me live a normal life. Might not seem normal but after taking my Methadone my day is normal. I work 12 hour days, save my money since I have no bills and play Path of Exile when I have free time. I’m just high as a kite while doing it so I really enjoy it.

I’ll make you a deal! If I ever go back to prison I’ll shank every pedo I come in contact with since I’ll be too old to care.

I have a little girl and if I happen to see any of your kind 500 kms around her you will learn what is to have a fucking tree up your ass you bloody sick beast!
Please note that I said beast and not animal since animals have more common sense and HUMANITY than your fucked up kind.
I dare you to come close by…. please

Can’t believe LE is prioritizing toward closing darkmarkets over tracking these fucking sickos, but in a way seeing they NEVER did anything substantial about this over decades i’m pretty sure it’s beneficial to them, hell i even suspect these satanic evil POS are part of it and are the first users and producers of such content.

As a kid having access to daily editions of the local newspaper I remember I actually stopped reading because I felt so sad reading notices practically every day of violence against women. And these were the cases reported to police.. This was a newspaper covering an area with around 65K people.

Meanwhile I am currently suspected of trying to import 25 grams of speed from Belgium (I’m Swedish) and jesus christ. Five officers and dog stormed my apartment, treated me like I was suspected of fucking kidnapping or something, took my iPhone, computer, and even my god damn Kindle and they have had those items for a month and pending.

Really great priorities. Not even a small time dealer would buy as little as 25 grams, so it’s pretty obvious that it’s for personal use only.

You should make your contacts out here in Southern California..I have straight access( my people) to sinola ( Mexico) based suppliers…WE GET THE BEST CRYSTAL METH ANYWHERE…AND AT A FRACTION OF WHAT YOU PAY IN EUROPE…PLUS ..QUALITY IS UNPARALLED..JUST A THOUGHT

I love how they justify their actions as the child’s choice or decision but whatever here’s the scoop this corrupt system is on it’s last legs and that includes the the corrupt Judicial as well, both are saturated with Pedo’s which makes for great leverage/blackmail for those in positions of influence & power. When this system crashes there will be a hunt for all the vile, corrupt twisted shit that has been allowed to transpire for far to long. Pedo’s your not as transparent as you might think and yours will be the most enjoyable to eliminate with prejudice.

Can we get a noob version of what this means? It’s not under the marketplaces tab right?
And I pray to the great and Mighty Thor that this is a honeypot. We need “PedoDDoS2014” to trend on Twitter. Someone call in Anonymous, the good fight needs to be fought on this one.

What the hell are you talking about? THE HIDDEN WIKI DOES NOT ALLOW CHILD PORN, FOOL. Anything else goes, but not that. Anyone posting anything resembling child porn is immediately banned and the content erased.

You are obviously not on the real wiki, but one ran by pedos or scammers. The real ORIGINAL, CP FREE HIDDEN WIKI IS HERE:

Looks like you forgot to redact the name of the site in the screenshot. Already found an URL. Thanks, didn’t know about this site ;)

Joking aside, just wanted to point it out. It took me literally 30 seconds to find the URL from the name. So if you redacted the actual URL in the screenshot, you should do the same for the name if you don’t want to bring more visitors to that site.

I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, because I’ve been thinking about this for some time. Before you decide to bash me, keep in mind that I’m just trying to spark conversation here.

You guys are saying some awfully judgmental things about this group of people, but isn’t that the same kind of things that people have been saying about homosexuals for decades?

What exactly makes these people different from homosexuals? It doesn’t sound like they want to victimize anyone, and I’m sure they didn’t choose to have these sexual urges. So, they want to have sex with children… at what age do you draw the line? 18? 15? 5? And why do you draw the line at a particular point? Back in the old days, people used to get married at much younger ages than now. You could marry a 13yo back then, but now if you get involved with one, you’re a sick pedo.

When I was in high school, I had a gf who was 13; she was extremely hot, with a full bush and 36c breasts. Most people thought she was older than me. Would I be a sicko if I looked at a girl her age with a similar build, and wanted to bone her in my 30’s?

Simple answer is yes, 13 is not old enough to be considered an adult no matter what you look like. Years ago people might have got married earlier but they married people around their own age and I doubt they were 13, even if they are it doesn’t make it right. In school back then teachers whacked kids too, so is that OK?
Look this argument is BS, theres a huge difference between to consenting adults(gay) and an adult taking advantage of a child, it doesn’t matter that they look older they have a lot of growing up to do, mentally.
People conparing these to gay are way off the mark, its all about the consent and children who might even give consent don’t really know what they are at, remember when you were 13? I do, I thought I knew everything and was old enough to look after myself but its not until at least 30 do you realize how wrong you were, its like watching sports they call 25-30 year olds “good kids”
Are you looking for somebody to say you were OK to be with a 13 year old? I’ve kids that age and its anything but alright, deal with these kids 24 hours a day and when they get upset after a friend says something dumb, then you might understand what you did to that kid.

And to answer your other question what age do we draw the line, I believe its around 18-20. It does matter what age you are though, somebody in their late 30’s has a lot more experience than a 13 year old, its soo easy to fool them especially a young girl with “Daddy issues” I’m sure you know what I mean, I’m guessing you understand its wrong to take advantage of somebody no matter the age, the fact they are so young makes it easier for the older person to take advantage and therefor makes it taht bit worse, if it was such a little of a thing why do they hide it so much?
I’m was actually really hard not to use words like sick or scumbag but I realize you are creating conversation, at least I hope so.

Completely agree. I have children too. If ANYONE EVER touched one of them, I would cut their fingers and what ever else touch my child off. No one would stop me. There would be no place that person would EVER be safe again on this planet.

You are the one that needs help! 18-20?! What kind of sick and twisted individual are you?! What delusional planet do you live on?! There is nothing wrong with girls having sex from around 13 or 14 regardless of how old the man is!! Why the hell else would it be legal in most of europe?! Stop trying to impose you sick and twisted “american” values on the rest of the world. They have been brainwashed in to you by the 1% and the media. Why the hell do you think they are so obsessed with it? It is for CONTROL like with terrorism, as an excuse to take away peoples rights through fear and through brainwashing people in to thinking sex with children is wrong. The only way it is wrong is if it is non consensual or there is physical damage (i.e the vagina was not developed enough to take the penis and there was blood and permanent damage). Stop trying to blame everyone else for the fact you were raped as a kid. Some children love sex with adults so stop trying to tarr anyone who has sex with children who have started puberty with those who rape and physically damage prepubescents you sick fuck. You seem incapable of engaging in any rational discussion because of your emotions on here. You are the one who needs help, please get it!

No pal, you are a fucking warped, sick freak of nature that should be killed. Your flawed DNA needs to be completely removed from the gene pool, darwin needs a little help from the rest of us here.
Someone who isn’t a sick fuck desperately trying to find anything to attempt to justify his warped desires might understand that 90% of the world wanting to kill your stupid ass is a good sign that you are wrong. Personally I’d happily sit in jail for the rest of my days if it meant I could just feel the last breath exit your body with my hands around your throat. If there’s nothing wrong with it, biitch, come out in the open. Tell your mom what you like to do to kids if there is nothing wrong with it. Tell your boss, tell your best friends, TELL ANYBODY you scum, you don’t have the balls do you? That’s because you know how sick you are. You know how normal, non-brainfucked people react. You are bold here where nobody knows you, but you would not dare tell anyone in real life. Pathetic fucking trash.

to: YOUNEEDSOMETRUTH-“Some children love to have sex with adults”? Keep bullshitting yourself, but you’re not fooling anyone here.
You are an idiot. Your rationale for justifying sex with kids is so hopelessly flimsy, I’m surprised you can’t keep your mouth shut.
There’s a special place in hell for people like you. You are a sheep too, you just haven’t realized it yet. No wonder why you’re so defensive.
You’re proclivities are disgusting.

Being attracted to Puberty aged girls is different (It’s called Hebepphilia, aged arond 11-14) Most of these girls regret their experiences, but they pale in comparison to the abuse suffered by those under 11 years old. Many would rather die after the shame and humiliation they feel fir the rest of their lives. My sister was abused once aged 12 and almosy died of drug overdoses from the pain and humiliation she still feels aged 42. Paedophiles can be helped with their disease, victims can never forget the attrocities caused against them.

I do think we should make a clear distinction between Paedophiles and Child Molesters, so we don’t treat them all as scum. But Child Pornography is a continued abuse upon those in the pictures and videos, so viewing them is a crime upon it’s child victims

‘It is overtly obvious that children who have been sexually abused grow up to deal with severe psychological problems.’

Some homosexuals also grow up with severe psychological problems. And what is your definition of sexual abuse anyway? I mean, if we didn’t live in a world where sex was demonized and you had sex with a young child who really enjoyed it, where’s the harm?

And no, I’m not looking for justification for anything. It is amazing how quickly people jump to casting judgment on someone who dares to ask these kinds of questions. It’s like ‘If you ever DARE to ask about a negative stereotype about a particular race, then you are obviously a racist douche.’ It’s actually a pet peeve of mine. Why can’t people ask these kinds of questions without having accusations of being a pedo hurled in their direction?

For a start I didn’t say anything like ‘It is overtly obvious that children who have been sexually abused grow up to deal with severe psychological problems’ and I didn’t go hurling abuse either. So calm down, I did say it was for conversation. I also said that I believe the age should be 18-20 thats different to what it is. If you don’t want an opinion why ask? I already said it was hard not to call these people scum and I do believe its a compulsion and they don’t choose to have but it still is not right and the people doing it know this too.
Now you ask what is sexual abuse, is that a serious question? Anything involving sex with an underage kid and an adult is abuse. You said about marriage between someone as young as 13, I presume that would be another kid around the same age, if not, what would happen with an adult who prefares 13 year olds? The 13 year old would quickly out grow what he likes. That being the case the kid would be dropped once too old, thats abuse, using somebody for sex. And no matter what pedo’s think these kids don’t like it, I was one of those kids and had group with literally 100’s not one of them ever said anything other than feeling guilty(thinking it was their fault) or felt embaressed by it, I have heard from 100’s in group and see them crying after they have grown to be 40-50 years old.

You were with a group of people that were socially indoctrinated to view it as the worst thing ever. Regardless of their consent or lack there of. Just like gays would form groups about how being gay was bad for them.

I have the impulse to smoke crack and run around with an AK and shoot everyone… we all have bad impulses.. what makes us better than scum is the ability to realize our impulses are wrong and deny them… no excuse for pedos… so much destruction for what… an impulse.. i call bs…

I dont agree they cant help it. If they can self gratify or even they could be put on medication to kill their sex feeling. This is unnatural and completely sick. I know of a case where a guy was sexually turned on watching his girl friend cut pieces of her body off with a razor. Is that OK too? Is that something that can’t be helped? Yea Some guys couldn’t help murdering women so they got helped to the electric chair.

There is no differnce between child pornography and child sexual abuse you sick fuck. An adult with a camera coercing chlidren into sexual acts is sexually abusing a child. The children don’t know what they are being told to do is wrong, despite their gut feeling that it is.
The child victms grow up with psychological damage because they realize that someone they trusted: a loved one ( relative ), priest or teacher took advantage of, and violated them.
Regarding homosexuals with psych issues, many do not have any. Those that do, do so because of the view society has of them.

Of course you are seeking justification you coward. Why else would you be ” engaging in discussion ” in defense of pedos.

You never addressed my point regarding why even hardened criminals, along with the rest of society, despise you pedos. Why is it that when you are incarcerated you will be gang raped and beaten to a pulp on a daily basis

dude, just so you are aware you are confusing yourself as to what abuse is, abuse is the negative action that is in any way distressful to the other or happens to go along the lines of coercion that means trying to change someones mind or simply ignoring their wishes.

I had sex at 11 with an older individual does this mean i was abused or do you just simply not know the story and act as though you understand the actions of another human being.

age is a number of years lived it is not a measurement of mental capabilities just like any newbie they are still learning and what best way to learn than practical rather than being told what is what by people who have issues determining what abuse is and what consent it. and yeah this means you are an idiot if you think claiming someone is sick when even your family participated in it back in the day your ancestors are likely to have contributed to what you call sick and gross not really proving that you have an idea of whats what but showing that you are just simply a dumb ignorant loudmouth. all you are doing is inciting further false claims.

Having sex with a minor is essentially rape. The pedophile is having sex with someone who can’t give consent. Simple. Comparing this to homosexuality is logically invalid. The confusion arises when we make decisions based on our feelings without consulting our minds. People don’t like homosexuals, people don’t like pedophiles, so the 2 must be the same?
NO! Pedophilia is rape. Homosexuality is not. It doesn’t matter how much we like one or the other…rape is wrong!

Your view is that since you don’t like it, you deem children can’t consent. You then falsely label it all rape which then leads to attaching a stigma to the unharmed child. A label that carries a lot of baggage.

A more logical approach is, “the child’s consent is not strong enough to be allowed.” Which can then be backed by parental consent of the child’s consent.

Your black and white approach is terrible logic meant to enforce moral views built on panic and hysteria.

Fun fact, the homosexual movement once supported paedosexuals heavily before the 80s. Until it became politically beneficial for them to contribute to the hatred of paedosexuals for their own social gains.

Legally, no. They don’t have the wherewithal to make judgments that have extensive ramifications. Sex has extensive emotional and practical ramifications (pregnancy, STD’s). Therefore, we as a society have deemed that they aren’t ready to have sex before a certain age.

Different states have different laws, and allowances are made in many states for the gap in age (two consenting 17 yr olds are obviously not taking advantage of each other in the same way a 30 year old would take advantage of a 7 year old).

Having sex too early can emotionally damage a child too; sex is extremely intimate and requires vulnerability to expose and allow the manipulation of extremely sensitive and easily damaged organs. Additionally, the difference in size of a young child’s orifices and an adult’s penis is large enough to cause damage to the child.

There are a host of reasons society has deemed it immoral to have sex with children. It’s impossible to turn your back on those reasons because you are attracted to them.

just a thought here for both sides of this debate to consider. At age 11 you can be tried as an adult if u commit what is viewed to be a heinous crime. !6 to have sex, 18 to vote, 18 to smoke a ciggarrete, but u can be sent to jail for life at 11. Who is it that decides these numbers or is it just an arnitrary number drawn from a hat??

Child can’t consent you subhuman idiot. Pedos are fucking delusional to compare adults to kids. Kids have guardians (normal adults don’t). based on your subhuman brain believing than kids should be able to vote, have power of attorney, tried as adults, fight in wars, not need a guardian, etc
No Child should have to worry about being raped, getting STDs (something subhuman never seem to mention) and pregnancy.

If you believe that raping kids is not harmful than load a gun and pull the trigger pointed.in your mouth.

@Jim. You are wrong just because you didn’t realize that some children grow up faster than others doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen everyday. Due to child neglect, copious sibling or just because they are more mature than their peers.

Ha, remember what happenned after the Sexual Revolution? Research and studies to show kids don’t like creepy old men trying to have sex with them. Find me a child who had a pleasant sexual experience with an older man and I’ll give you a list of 100s of Abused boys and girls who are just the ones brave enough to face the Nightmare of their Childhood

Both are wrong but Pedophiles should be executed. Adults raping children is different then adults doing sick things with each other. Just like that school bus driver whore in Connecticut that raped that 14 year old boy while she was lying to her family and friends, telling them how abused he was and she wanted to help him. Even when they charged her she was busy raping another little boy. In other countries sick fucks like this get executed.

“I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, because I’ve been thinking about this for some time. Before you decide to bash me, keep in mind that I’m just trying to spark conversation here.”

I don’t wish to appear confrontational, but I doubt that you’re a devil’s advocate and I hope that by “bashing” that you don’t mean disagreeing with you.

“You guys are saying some awfully judgmental things about this group of people, but isn’t that the same kind of things that people have been saying about homosexuals for decades?”

Awfully judgmental ?
To compare homosexuality to pedophilia is not only grossly insulting, but also a piss poor analogy. Homosexuals do not forge relationships based on an asymetrical level of comprehension, development, maturity amongst the couple. Two people of the same sex in a loving, consensual relationship in which both fully understand the implications, both have a sufficient degree of sexual maturity, are different from the sexually frustrated older man who exploits a 12 year old’s naivety for his own gratification. And while you can get abusive, pedophilic homosexual relationships (just as you can get surely get similar heterosexual and pansexual ones), an exploitive imbalance in reasoning does not define homosexuality.

“What exactly makes these people different from homosexuals? It doesn’t sound like they want to victimize anyone, and I’m sure they didn’t choose to have these sexual urges.”

Two people of an adequate age, in a similar state of cognition and of the same sex understand the implications and the mechanics of sex. Children, people with diminished mental functioning and people in a significantly inhibitory altered state of consciousness (i.e. inebriation) cannot and therefore cannot consent. Pedophilia is exploitive, manipulative, but it is not alone in this aspect.

Everyone has urges – hence the utility of having part of a brain, the frontal lobe, that modulates inhibition. Recovering heroin addicts have strong urges to get a ‘hit that aren’t just psychological and yet, guess what ? They persevere and don’t sink back into addiction. Also, let’s cast aside biological determinism and admit that simply because an issue has a biological basis does not and should absolve certain behaviours and acts.

“So, they want to have sex with children… at what age do you draw the line? 18? 15? 5? And why do you draw the line at a particular point? Back in the old days, people used to get married at much younger ages than now. You could marry a 13yo back then, but now if you get involved with one, you’re a sick pedo.”

While limiting consent to a specific age is extremely reductionistic and fails to incoporate the fact that people mature at different rates, it does provide helpful guidelines.

You fail to mention that “back then”, people also died at a much earlier age and that a 13yearld old would have been much more mature, by the imposition of many societal duties. I cordially invite you to visit a current culture where people marry at a young age and to see just how evolved they are.

“When I was in high school, I had a gf who was 13; she was extremely hot, with a full bush and 36c breasts. Most people thought she was older than me. Would I be a sicko if I looked at a girl her age with a similar build, and wanted to bone her in my 30’s?”
I presume that you were expecting another reaction, one that would validate your attempt at rationalizing to prevent any potential consequent guilt. But yes, YOU ARE A “SICKO”. You woulding be gazing at a child who could be young enough to be your own child and treating her as sexual object in your mind.

I don’t believe the hot gf story one bit personally but I’ll run with the theory…yes liking the same girl at 13 and 30years of age would totally make you sick as between those ages you should have developed slightly ,you know, that super hot 13yr old girlfriend that you didn’t have?
If she had been real She would develop with you, grow older wiser, have your own one and be watching it grow…

Your fantasies about that girl have obviously remained unfulfilled.year after year after year.you age. The girl,still stuck as the 13yr old in your mind. That’s plain wrong.

Just my two cents:
Personally I am in favor of people who both fully consent to it to have sex. Siblings can bone each other as much as they like for all I care, as long as they both want it and do it responsibly so they don’t create a mutant baby. I mean, who are we to deny them their love and happiness?
However, age is an important factor. Your brain isn’t fully developed until you are about 20 years old, so naturally children have even lesser deveolped brains. They are just not capable of understanding what sex is and what it all means! So if you trick a 12 year old kid into sucking your knob, is that really consent? I don’t think so. To give consent you have to fully understand the situation. Otherwise it has nothing to do with consent. It’s like a loan shark tricking you to take his money. If he didn’t explain it properply and wants 100% in interest from you, would you have taken the money if he had told you?
Sure, there ARE kids who are capable of understanding what sex is and who could give proper consent. But I think it is the right thing to protect those who do not understand it through laws.
I think 16 is a good place to start for legal sex. If you are allowed to take the responsibility to drive a car you should also be able to consent to sex.

Completely agree. The sickos are the people in denial, just so they can be politically correct in the current witch-hunt craze. Society always needs someone to hate, just to make it feel better about itself. It used to be gays, blacks, jews, witches etc. Now it’s pedos.

The reality is that being a pedo means being attracted to kids, not harming them. Does being attracted to adults make you a rapist? Rational, decent people of any sexuality are able to care about others and control themselves enough not to harm anyone.

The other reality is that most adults, men at least, are attracted to kids. If they claim that they’ve never secretly thought “phwoar!” when they’ve seen an attractive and well built 14 year old for example, then they’re liars. That makes them, all of us, pedos. The difference is what they do with those feelings.

The propaganda would have you believe that looking at pictures of naked, happy kids will cause them harm. Get real! I could try to explain this in much greater detail, but people tend to already have their agenda of bigotry built-in, so whatever facts are provided won’t make a jot of difference to their views.

Just one thing you should consider. If you prevent pedos from looking at images online, where does that leave them? What would you do if you couldn’t get sexual relief through pornography? Go out and find a real person to have sex with?

I could explain every which way your wrong in analogy of how pedo’s are percieved in society…I’ve had homicidal thoughts a few times in my life…but I’m not a murderer..to say if we take away pedo’s “magazines,images..and other stuff to relief their ” feelings”.. Is like saying where does that leave those that commit mass murder if we take away the ammunition for all the firearms in the world….Wake up man…sick is sick…I’d rather be a drug addict,fag or Bruce Jenner than a ChoMo

Nice post, one of the more intelligent comments on this board.
The only thing you are forgetting is that in order for images to be viewed of naked, happy kids; they have to be taken. So, looking at pictures of naked, happy kids, is demand which encourages supply.
So, if you consider having sex with kids ‘harm’, then looking at pictures of kids having sex is indirectly causing harm by encouraging those who produce these images to publish and create them in the first place. Even looking at ‘naked, happy kids’ who are not having sex is encouraging others to take advantage of those who are not cognitively capable of fully understanding the dangers of this kind of intimacy due to their age.

What’s the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality…are you for fucking real dude?..people as you and all the other sick fucks need to be fucking horribly killed…you’ve and the others have ruin the gene pool of mankind

Gideon – you are obviously a pedo. Homosexuals engage in consensual sex, therefore no one gets hurt. There is no such thing as consensual child pornography. If you believe that, then you are seriously deluded. More likely, that is just your means of justifying your guilty conscience.

It is overtly obvious that children who have been sexually abused grow up to deal with severe psychological problems. So you engage in aberrant sexual behaviour, for your own personal gratification, with no regard for the impact on another human being.

You are selfish and cruel. There is a reason pedophiles are considered the lowest form of criminal on the planet. There is a reason that even among hardened, imprisoned criminals pedofiles are reviled as the scum of the Earth. If you are ever incarcerated you will be praying for death.

According to Wikipedia: ‘Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.’

So no, that does not include me. I’m not one who thinks you should be having sex with people that young, but as far as I’m concerned, if the bush has hair, then you can at least be excused if you happen to feel a little twitch in your jeans when looking in their direction. For example, if I had told you my ex-gf was 18 and you were attracted to her, would you suddenly not be if I then revealed that she was 13?

And another poster said the cutoff age is 18-20, but I’m not sure why. I’ve known some people who were more mature at 15 than others were at 40. I’m not suggesting that anyone should be out shagging every 15yo they come across, but I think perhaps we should be using another criteria besides age when determining if they’re old enough to be of legal age. Not only for sex, but to voting and other things as well.

If there are any 40 year olds that are not as mature or more mature than a 15 year old theres something wrong with that 40 year old.
And there is a huge difference between looking at a young girl and being attracted to them but acting on that urge is where the problem is, I’m not for a second saying you should not look at a good looking girl, hell I have seen girls in school uniform that I thought were goodlooking but I don’t go and try sleep with them even if they were looking for me to.

he means that some are intelligent enough to not believe whats told to them simply because its how the majority see things but that they were smarter and more intelligent than that of the common 40 year old who has experience this says that your argument has a lot of holes.

what is right is not what the current ideology of what others consider to be harm but what is actually causing harm, in this case though oits simply “stop liking what i don’t like” that does not validate your argument.

Some people have urges that are nearly sexual and can only be pleased by hurting people, watching them bleed, and sometimes wanting them to beg for more.

Would you justify that if the other person is a consenting adult?

I think that both participant of such an act should get help. Don’t you?.

The other aspect that no one talks about is what happens later?

Having had this sorts of experiences makes you lose sight of what’s normal and what’s not.

And even being young and consenting, you’ll soon find yourself in a predicament, no one your age has experienced what you have, and you’ll start to feel lonely, and that can lead to a lot of things.

This people is sick, but by demonizing them you get them to protect themselves, hide and have better techniques to attack and convince young ones to their desires.

Had I know that sex is more pleasant when your first experience is not a sick and old nympho, I would have never agreed to have it.

True, sex is really pleasurable from a really young age, so are drugs, Will you allow a 13yo to smoke crack instead of studying?

Does a 12yo have the maturity to know that what feels good doesn’t mean is the only thing to do in your free time.

I don’t think anyone, even pedos and weed lovers, would agree on giving a really young person a bag of weed, and teach them to smoke it. It will mess up their minds too young and their priorities in life would change.

Letting a child enjoy a pedo is just the same. Is allowing a detrimental behavior, that can be pleasurable, but comes with a lot of other problems by itself, being in my experience the lack of peer empathy the worse of them.

WOW IT IS CRAZY THIS IS A CHAT ROOM OF SORTS FOR PEDOS IT IS OBVIOUS MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THESE VIDEOS ESPECIALLY THE ONES OF YOU ALL THAT ARE ACTING ALL TOUGH ON PEDOS SO THE NEW SITES ARE CODE IN YOUR MESSAGES YOU GUYS GOT TO BE CLEAVER

YOU FUCKING RAPIST PIECE OF SHIT! I’M AN INCREDIBLY PASSIVE GUY, BUT I WOULD HAVE NO FUCKING PROBLEM TORTURING YOU TO DEATH! YOU HAVE A DISEASED BRAIN THAT IS CLEARLY INCAPABLE OF EMPATHY OR BASIC LOGIC, YOU LIFE RUINING FUCK!!!! I WISH I COULD BE THERE WHEN YOU GET CAUGHT FOR THIS, I’D LAUGH AND SPIT IN YOUR FACE AS YOU GET DRAGGED AWAY IN CUFFS. ONE DAY IT WILL COME YOU MONSTER, GUARANTEED.

CHILDREN ARE NOT SOMME TINY BABIES WE NEED TO PROTECT AND SHIELD FROM THE WORLD! Do they live in it just like you? Yes! They’re going to experience life at some point or another, you have no idea what type a child they will be. They’re not all the same, because of pornography and peer pressure kids have started having sex at 10-11. Do you care about that? No. Because they’re having sex with their own unprepared peers rather than a responsible adult. If their going to have sex anyway might as well be safe.

I just found out that he was right actually – because of some connectivity issues with the spam filtering, i used another spam plugin since yesterday, and it requested that SOME people will enable JS in order to comment, personally i couldn’t see this since i am logged in until he pointed it out and i checked now, anyway it is now disabled for everyone.

Unless you have ever seen childporn first hand, please dont say things about how it hurts children. If you saw just 1 minute of childporn, you would see that kids LOVE having sex just like everyone else.

Now thats talking out your ass, see it and you will know the kids like it. Bull-shit, I was one of those kids that was abuse when I was around 10-11 and no I didn’t fucking like it, I hated it so much that it messed my head right up. No self esteem, no confidence and it took years for me to get help and get over it, I thought it was my fault now I’m older and know it was not me it was him, so guess what? He won’t be messing with kids again thats for sure.

It sounds like you were raped, and I am very sorry to hear that. Some people who are attracted to adults are rapists and some people who are attracted to kids are also rapists. But please understand that the kind of childporn most of us watch is not like that. I personally would not try to touch a kid who “didn’t fucking like it” and I am very sorry that whoever did this to you was not the same kind of pedo I am.

>implying they actually know what sex is
>implying you two can actually havea real deep relationship
>implying the kid isn’t brainwashed (don’t need to force a kid after you brain wash them)
>implying that you are sure what you fap to is not forced (how can you be 100% certain… you can not)
seriously, get help. Like I know you pedos get a lot of flack but that is not right there are soo many implications that really are just absurd. I mean would you be ok with yourself as a kid getting fucked or would you be ok giving you kid away to a man/woman 2/3/4x their age, knowing they are going to have sex?

@Apedo…man..you are one delusional,I’ll and very sick mutherfucker..your a danger to children anywhere…I’d love to see you say that quote of yours to the “homies” on a prison yard in California…they see your paperwork…YOUR FUCKING!.. PERIOD!.. ITS A WRAP!

How many kids have you saved from orphanages or helped with medical care? What have you done in your life to change many world problems? What any of you do? NOTHING for the most of you. Just walking one straight line like a robot whole life. I will not even crap on your grave people, sick disgusting antipedo scam bugs (that is most likely what you do on DW).

Yeah, children love sex so much that you sick rapists (sex with a child is always rape) have to travel to third-world-countries all the time to find poor and desperate kids who have to prostitute themselves to survive.

I was in Cambodia, and I saw how the little girls and boys there “enjoyed” it, when they followed some ugly western bastards to their hotel rooms, crying so much that my heart broke (informed the police, but they are part of this shit there. Gave some of the kids money and said, they should go home, but soon realized how useless these actions were considering the unbelievable amount of pedos and child prostitutes there)

Note: I do not doubt that there are some sort of “sexual” (of you want to use that term for the first tactile experiences of children) feelings even children have, BUT AS THEY ARE MENTALLY NOT READY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, NO ADULT HAS THE RIGHT TO USE THEM FOR SEXUAL BENEFITS. It is called “sexual partners” for some reason, and a child never can be your partner, it will always be in a way weaker position than you.

Children have plenty enough options to grow into their sexuality sharing experiences among equals, e.g. other children of their age. They don’t need some sick pedos who try to manipulate them in a way only a child can’t be aware of

“Yeah, children love sex so much that you sick rapists (sex with a child is always rape) have to travel to third-world-countries all the time to find poor and desperate kids who have to prostitute themselves to survive.”

Literally irrelevant to the topic at hand. What if I said this?

Yeah, women love casual sex so much that you sick rapists (sex with a women outside of marriage is always rape) have to travel to third world countries all the time to find poor and desperate women who have to prostitute themselves to survive.

“I was in Cambodia, and I saw how the little girls and boys there “enjoyed” it, when they followed some ugly western bastards to their hotel rooms, crying so much that my heart broke (informed the police, but they are part of this shit there. Gave some of the kids money and said, they should go home, but soon realized how useless these actions were considering the unbelievable amount of pedos and child prostitutes there)”

Please don’t make shit up to try and bolster your point.

I saw a documentary and the guys said that the children were excited to see them since they would be making 100 dollars to play with their penis. The guy said they looked excited as much as their own kids on Thanksgiving.

“Note: I do not doubt that there are some sort of “sexual” (of you want to use that term for the first tactile experiences of children)”

Doesn’t matter if you doubt it. Children have a sexual drive that is repressed by society and parents. Yet children still act sexually with peers and adults anyway. You can’t socialize biology away.

“BUT AS THEY ARE MENTALLY NOT READY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, NO ADULT HAS THE RIGHT TO USE THEM FOR SEXUAL BENEFITS”

The adult is responsible if the child is harmed. The child and adult can both gain pleasure so it is not one sided when consented. Children as young as infants are capable of orgasm. Orgasms feel great when attained consensually.

“It is called “sexual partners” for some reason, and a child never can be your partner, it will always be in a way weaker position than you.”

I am not a paedosexual but please don’t insult my platonic relationships with kids. We are equals because I view them as such. You may view kids as lesser than you but that is your issue. Not mine and not any paedosexual who also views kids as equal beings. It seems you have the problem.

“Children have plenty enough options to grow into their sexuality sharing experiences among equals, e.g. other children of their age. They don’t need some sick pedos who try to manipulate them in a way only a child can’t be aware of”

Or with an adult who is loving, treats them with respect, and takes their consent as serious as anyone else’s. That’s far from a sick person. Also, I find it funny when they do it with other kids it is okay, but with an adult suddenly they can’t be away.

Pretty much everyone who has gone to Cambodia to research the subject for themselves has found that it is extremely rare for prostitutes to be younger than in their mid-teens. The people claiming otherwise all seem to have in interest in making false claims – as soliciting donations is their bread and butter.

In the past this may have been different, as I once saw a documentary where the “rescuers” secretly filmed some younger sex workers. Curiously, even in that biased documentary, the girls were all quite obviously happy to be getting paid for their work, and the only time they were unhappy was when they were being rescued and afterwards – some complaining that when they were locked up in the “rescue mission” they did not have nearly the income (a few cents a day in the mission) that they did as sex workers. Those who could escaped from the “rescuers”.

What sort of “rescuers” enslave the people they rescue? “Rescuers” who can turn a good profit from it, naturally, by drumming up support and donations from moralistic cultural imperialists in the rich world. I don’t put much stock in people like that.

You were raped. Nobody fucking likes rape t’s not just kids, so shut up! I had sex at 10 with an older gentleman, it was my choice and I won’t ever regret it. So if there’s consent, then it’s fine. But how do you know if there has been consent or not? Oh wait you don’t.

i think they should be stonned by their victims until death! charge £1 for each big rock you chuck at them! thats all they deserve. and use the money to make sites like this to find them and shut them down and hopfully a slow painful death awaits them. I have one where i live. but hes s smack dealing police informant that likes little ladyboys in tieland 14-15 yr old and (well u know what happens next) dirty fucking mofos! if it was inthis country he would be lifed off! dirty rats!!!
Cecil levvy of fenham newcastle upon tyne uk. gets the young boys n girls hooked on herion and then puts them in a brothal in newcastle. hopefuly he gets whats commin to him
sick twisted fuckas

wow……some disturbed individuals here…..little kids love having sex??? what the fuck is wrong with you? the inability to make life altering decisions is one of the main things that makes a child a child. a 4 year old would probably love playing in a pile of toxic chemicals or dogshit but its not in the childs best interest so adults dont allow this behavior. and i cant believe that even 1 site like this still exists. and LE is proud about shutting down some drug markets….markets that would not allow such disgusting, CRIMINAL behavior to be posted on their sites. so yea, the victimless drug crime or a bunch of baby rapers, whats your priority LE? so depressing….YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO FUCK CHILDREN YOU ABSOLUTE PIECES OF SHIT!!!!! ONLY ADULTS THAT WILL ALLOW SOME FUCKING WEIRDOS LIKE YOU TO TOUCH THEM. NOT KIDS WHO DONT EVEN HAVE THEIR THOUGHT CAPABILITIES YET!! YOU FUCKING PEDOPHILES.YOU NEED YOUR SCROTUMS CUT OFF!!!

” the inability to make life altering decisions is one of the main things that makes a child a child”

Having a consensual sexual experience is not life altering by any objective standard barring disease or pregnancy. On those points the adult would always be responsible as well as the child’s guardians.

“a 4 year old would probably love playing in a pile of toxic chemicals or dogshit but its not in the childs best interest so adults dont allow this behavior.”

Those activities would be a health hazard for both adults and children. Objectively one can determine the harm comes directly from the chemicals or shit, the same can not be said for a consensual sexual relation.

“i cant believe that even 1 site like this still exists. and LE is proud about shutting down some drug markets….markets that would not allow such disgusting, CRIMINAL behavior to be posted on their sites. so yea, the victimless drug crime or a bunch of baby rapers, whats your priority LE”

Ignoring your baby raper hyperbolic insult, I agree that the LEA are committing a crime by preventing individuals from a consensual transaction.

“YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO FUCK CHILDREN YOU ABSOLUTE PIECES OF SHIT!!!!! ONLY ADULTS THAT WILL ALLOW SOME FUCKING WEIRDOS LIKE YOU TO TOUCH THEM. NOT KIDS WHO DONT EVEN HAVE THEIR THOUGHT CAPABILITIES YET!! YOU FUCKING PEDOPHILES.YOU NEED YOUR SCROTUMS CUT OFF!!!”

Many children enjoy this activity you insist is not supposed to be done. Your opinion comes from your upbringing and social views. Not objective facts and not the opinions of the children themselves either.

wrong aqgain asshat…..i know people who were molested and they are not ok. AND every instance of sex with a child is a molestation. they do not have the life experience to make their own decisions….thats why they are children you fuckin animals. death is too good for you pigs. YOU DONT FUCK LITTLE KIDS>>>>OR MURDER PEOPLE ANS WEAR THEIR SKIN!!!! who has to be told this??????baffling

I know adult women who were molested and they are not ok. However this does not allow me to judge consensual instances of sexual contact. Only non consensual. I agree, non consensual sexual contact is bad for a child.

“AND every instance of sex with a child is a molestation”

So you feel it is your right to over power a child to demand that they did not consent? You think it is okay to force a child to feel a certain way about something they enjoyed? That sounds very bad to me and capable of causing mental anguish.

“they do not have the life experience to make their own decisions”

Any decision at all? Every child who played tackle football with an older person was physically abused? After all did they have the experience to consent to all the possible accidents and injuries and pain that could arise? Or, as is most likely the case, do you want sexual interaction to be a special case because of how you were raised and your own moral views?

But what you conveniently ignore is the REASON society has determined in general that a child is not capable of informed consent. The true and blunt answer is that a child is not mentally or emotionally capable of making decisions at the level of an adult. Thus, we cannot safely say that a child giving consent to any action on the level of sexual intercourse is informed consent which means they understand what they are giving consent to and it’s fully importance.

In other words, they may give consent but society has determined that children are not mentally or emotionally able to understand to what they are giving consent enough that we are comfortable with that consent. Basically it’s like letting someone do something you know will end bad, and are you comfortable with living with the fact that you let them afterward. We as a society have determined that we are not comfortable with that in this circumstance. I don’t know how to put it more logically and unemotionally than that. The same as if a person with severe brain damage was to give consent, we cannot take that consent as valid evidence of them making an informed decision that they fully understand the possible consequences and dangers of.

Let me break it down further since it seems to be a point that many others have had a problem understanding here. Informed means that the person knows the risks involved. In the case of children, society makes an exception…we don’t even allow informed consent to be valid. An analogy might be drinking. In most places, there are laws governing what age a person can legally drink at. Why? Because we, as a society, have determined that children don’t make decisions with regards to these things as responsibly as they would if they were older and more mature mentally and emotionally.

Simplest answer; The pattern of sexual relationships of adults with children is of the adults taking advantage of children. It’s more about the position of power. Adults are automatically in a position of power over children. Because of this, an adult can pressure or influence a child to do things without the adult even realizing it they are. So we don’t say consensual is alright, because there is too much danger of that consent being abused. That is what people don’t like. You can keep arguing against that, but you are fighting a losing battle. I get your point, but you are failing (or more likely refusing because you want to maintain your position) to understand that

Now you say we (society) feel it is our right to demand that children did not consent. That we are saying it is okay to force a child to feel a certain way about something they enjoyed. You draw multiple arguments into this one, and I am simply not going to respond to them all. So, here is my short answer. We tell our kids what is right and wrong all the time. It is what is called parenting. The object of this parenting is for the best interests of the child. If you have children, by all means you may let you children have sex with adults. But you don’t get to decide that my children should.

Finally, if you are equating tackle football with sexual intercourse, you have a problem there in the first place. It’s not even about the differences in the activity, it’s about the differences in the motivations. An adult attempting to convince a child to play tackle football is not comparable to an adult attempting to convince a child to have sex. People don’t want to play football the same way as they want to have sex. So, a child is likely to be pressured and influenced a lot more to have sex, which is why their decision to have sex cannot be evaluated the same way as their decision to play tackle football.

Molestation is defined as undesired sexual behavior of one person upon another. The ‘one person upon another’ part is important because it is ‘upon’. The other is a child, who is the inferior of the adult, and therefore in a weaker position. So, you take away the undesired part of the criteria because in this case we do not apply consent. This leaves us with molestation is sexual behavior of one person upon another, in this case an adult upon a child. We as society are not telling children how to think, we are protecting them from something we don’t feel they are old enough to protect themselves from. I’m sure you feel like this is alright to do in other instances, why is sex different?

Are you sure you might not be biased a tiny bit by your desires? If so, that’s ok with me, I can understand that. But refusing to acknowledge what society has deemed acceptable and why, and splitting hairs over definitions, I can’t.

I do agree with you in some part, I believe that society’s broad judgement is not perfect. However, I believe it is better than letting each person decide on a case by case basis. Can you imagine how that would work??

it wasn’t hyperbole, man. You are LITERALLY raping babies. Anyway, I’m thinking that you’re just trolling because you’re just sooo out there, it’s a little hard to believe. Makes for good reading, though!

“a 4 year old would probably love playing in a pile of toxic chemicals or dogshit but its not in the childs best interest so adults dont allow this behavior.”

Hey, the dark net is full of toxic chemicals (they’re callled drugs) and as you said, my parents dont allow this behavior. That being said I still use them, still enjoy them, and I believe my life is better off when I posses the capacity to make my own choice about using them.

That being said, the topic of this discussion does disgust me.. I personally can’t stand the thought of CP.. But then again, many parents formed their view of drugs based on the whole “reefer madness” propaganda.

SO Parents hate drugs BUT I enjoy drugs

I Hate CP but other enjoy it

Wouldnt that make me pretty fucking hypocritical if I said cp must be bad? All I can say for sure is that I “Personally” dont like it..

I hope you and ALL you worthless scum pedo fucks get Doxxed up the ass. Some good samaritans ought to curb stomp you in front of your fucking families, if you still have any…Seriously you lot are the lowest of the low, lower than shit on the bottom of my shoe.

Eh, try telling that to the 11 or 12 year old girl who gets impregnated by pedo-scum. Do you know why there were so many deaths from childbirth, back when if was “ok” for old men to marry and fuck little girls? I’ll let you figure that out on your own.

you have provided compelling mind food for those of us capable of knowing anything outside what they have been told to believe. good on you for that. so many people here making threats of murder, mutilation & the joy it would bring them to witness it. so much hate-spewing from straight-liners toward an aspect of existence that has been around since the start of time. so by default, these are the same people who supported the caged, burning-alive of a Jordanian pilot by the (allegedly) “rogue” faction of some other idiotic ideology. or is that just something far too out of context and therefore irrelevant? lol.

answer me this: if there ever was only an “Adam & Eve”, then how was the entire world populated?

the first & foremost reason would be incest, followed by a close second being (- are you sheep ready for this bit of logic?) multi-aged sex.

just an unavoidable truth :)

also, there exist female pedos & hebes, and they are probably giggling like fuck at how little coverage they have received in this topic. the statement made by one know-it-all eludes to child sex by claiming “as a 30 year old man would do” and thus just chastised & departmentalized ALL 30 year old men as pedophiles. lol.

so much of the “free world” still exists in the dark ages of hype, misunderstanding & steadfast, ignorant bliss.

That is total rubbish, why do they ask that you don’t post videos with kids crying? I’ll tell you, coz it happens a lot. They also advise you to let the kids play and be a kid, don’t just have sex all day.
Now its you that is making your mind up before knowing the facts, I have gone on one or two sites, I had an interest after my own experiences in life.
It is nothing short of aiding a molester to molest, I’ve seen dosages of sedatives to give kids safely, why would they need to be drugged if they like it? They also give advice on how to get access to kids and how to groom kids.
Now thats a word I’ll focus on for a minute.
These kids are being groomed to have sex with, a kid on his own would not know about sex and they are naturally curious, on top of that if they do go into it curious but don’t like what they are doing it won’t stop, the kid can’t control the adult. Its wrong on more than one level, kids are physically not ready for sex, they have to develop that in their teen years and even then they are only developing. Most kids will believe what you tell them and on TV its not hard to see that sex between adults is portrayed as fun and something everyone loves. A kid sees this and doesn’t know what to make of it, are they wrong coz they don’t like it or is that guilty feeling the way you’re suposed to feel. Kids don’t even understand their feelings at that age and anyone that twists it so that they can have sex is just thinking of them self and not the kid.
There is no way the love they claim is anything more than lust, as soon as the kid is older they are no longer attractive to the pedo and most likely dumped when the pedo has a new kid fooled. Don’t forget who is meant to be the responsable one here, a kid is curious about nearly everything, are you saying its OK for a 7 year old to do heroin if they like it? Both will really mess up a kid.
I’ve never once heard of a kid sticking up for a pedo when they were after being caught even with just with images of the kid. At the endd of the day pedos are adults the kids don’t know one way or the other about sex so its simple trickery on the part of the adult and thats just talking about the kids that might go along with the idea, if they don’t what happens then? Do you really expect me to believe that they would not give in to the urge after taking the huge risk in the first place, its that black and white to most, kids are out of bounds for beating, abusing mentally and of course having sex with and communities feel very strongly towards anyone that would do any of these to a kid and I’m guessing thats why it is hidden so much, I don’t see anyone protesting on the side of the pedo, yeah maybe from behind an anon account but actually going and protesting for better rights for pedos, even in Coalinga Mental Hospital which is really a prison in California, not a whole lot of support for them.

“That is total rubbish, why do they ask that you don’t post videos with kids crying? I’ll tell you, coz it happens a lot. They also advise you to let the kids play and be a kid, don’t just have sex all day.”

Because they care about the kids. You are trying to twist this to support your preconceived notions. Being sexually aroused to someone does not mean you do not care for them. In fact it naturally makes you care for them more, ignoring negative anti-sexual social influence.

“Now its you that is making your mind up before knowing the facts”

I never said whether the site is good or bad. I never said that child porn is all good or all bad (your assumption). I am merely making statements based on the facts and research and my actual observations.

“It is nothing short of aiding a molester to molest, I’ve seen dosages of sedatives to give kids safely, why would they need to be drugged if they like it?”

Most stable paedosexuals are vehemently against sedating kids for sex. That is rape, by definition, nothing more.

“These kids are being groomed to have sex with, a kid on his own would not know about sex and they are naturally curious,”

Actually many children are sexual with one another or adults while living in a very anti-child-sexuality society. It is precisely because of their natural curiosity. As a child myself I gave and received oral sex from a neighbor girl. I loved it a lot.

” if they do go into it curious but don’t like what they are doing it won’t stop, the kid can’t control the adult”

If the adult doesn’t allow it to stop, it is rape/molestation. Most paedosexuals care about the opinions and rights of the child. To them, a child should be able to say no and yes.

“kids are physically not ready for sex, they have to develop that in their teen years and even then they are only developing”

There are more kinds of sexual interaction than just intercourse. Anything that hurts the child would stop immediately, anyone who makes it happen is a rapist.

“Most kids will believe what you tell them”

Is that why most parents and teachers are at a loss for how to “control” their kids and students?

“A kid sees this and doesn’t know what to make of it, are they wrong coz they don’t like it or is that guilty feeling the way you’re suposed to feel.”

The guilty feeling comes from adults teaching them that sex is bad and dirty. Then when they see it or partake in it and it naturally feels good they get inner turmoil. Caused by misled adults teaching them sex is bad, not by the sexual contact.

“Kids don’t even understand their feelings at that age and anyone that twists it so that they can have sex is just thinking of them self and not the kid.”

Kids definitely understand their feelings unless they have a mental disorder. Especially after the ages of 6 or 7. They may not understand sexual feelings simply because of forced ignorance. You can’t raise a child, hide anything sex related from them, then claim that their ignorance of sex proves they aren’t interested and can’t understand it.

“There is no way the love they claim is anything more than lust, as soon as the kid is older they are no longer attractive to the pedo and most likely dumped when the pedo has a new kid fooled”

This is patently false. I have talked to many paedosexuals and the most common case is that the child moves on without so much as a “hey I like this other person now” while the paedosexual is heart-stricken. Kids are adaptable and lean towards pansexuality before their sexual identity really solidifies in the tween/teen years.

“Don’t forget who is meant to be the responsable one here, a kid is curious about nearly everything, are you saying its OK for a 7 year old to do heroin if they like it? Both will really mess up a kid.”

The adult is always responsible. Heroin objectively harms both adults and children. Sexual contact is good for humans when it is consensual. It does not harm.

“I’ve never once heard of a kid sticking up for a pedo when they were after being caught even with just with images of the kid.”

Look at how you and others are responding? Do you think the media would publish a story of a child defending their lover? It has happened, the one case where the 18 year old was giving the 11 year old a blowjob. The father started to beat the older guy to death and the son was begging him to stop.

“At the endd of the day pedos are adults the kids don’t know one way or the other about sex so its simple trickery on the part of the adult and thats just talking about the kids that might go along with the idea, if they don’t what happens then?”

Kids don’t know about most topics in life at first, is it evil to introduce something to a child, gauge their response, and react appropriately from there? If the child doesn’t then the paedosexual stops.

“Do you really expect me to believe that they would not give in to the urge after taking the huge risk in the first place”

Our current social atmosphere fuels abuse and punishes consensual experiences. It is easier to keep an abused child quiet than a child who consents, this on top of making anyone who is a paedosexual feel like a monster makes them become one. Basic social psychology. In effect, you and others like you create the monsters while people like me and child loving paedosexuals try to mitigate this damage.

“kids are out of bounds for beating, abusing mentally and of course having sex with and communities feel very strongly towards anyone that would do any of these to a kid and I’m guessing thats why it is hidden so much”

Actually, in many places kids can be non-consensually beat and spanked but can’t consensually take part in a sexual experience. The communities are messed up fundamentally.

“I don’t see anyone protesting on the side of the pedo, yeah maybe from behind an anon account but actually going and protesting for better rights for pedos, even in Coalinga Mental Hospital which is really a prison in California, not a whole lot of support for them.”

Hmm, people calling for death, murder, torture, imprisonment, just in this thread. And you wonder why paedosexuals and people like me hide behind anonymity? Also most social movements started with little support then grew as people got smarter. It will happen here too.

Listen, your abuser was a fucking asshole, and many paedosexuals would have stopped him. Please, even if you don’t agree with anything I say, understand that judging a whole group of people based on the actions of one abusive asshole is not the way to go about this.

Uh okay, so that’s all you took out of what I said. Anyway… what makes that any less valid than if someone says “I was molested so all sexual contact is bad”. In fact I am just saying “I had a good experience and others can too though I am aware of the bad experiences, so we should look out for those and not mix them all together” a much more logical outlook.

Im sorry I took so long to respond. It wast all I took from it, sadly I was in a rush. I thank you for sharing your opinion on this sensitive subject and I agree that most people have a judgmental view on the matter. I also think some people hear the word “pedophile” and envision a small child being molested and that may not always be the case. Its challenging to have a constructive conversation on a topic that involves intimacy with children. I think the age of the child plays a role in how angry people can be too.

You pedos ignore science because you sickos think children and adults have the same brain functions. I celebrate when you pedos.are.killed and commit suicide. The world will have so much less suffering when you all are extinct.

That’s the biggest lie in the world. Their minds are the same, picked up a book lately? “Regardless of how tempting it might be to assume otherwise, a normal child’s brain is not inherently disorganized or chaotic. It’s differently organized but at least as capable as an adult brain.”

“The fact that you try to placate this with the idea that pedos are doing this to “make children happy and pleasure them” rather than for their own personal pleasure is insanely delusional.”

I have no sexual interest in children, though I have had preteen girls attempt to initiate sexual exploration which I have rejected.

Still, sexual orientation causes people to want to please their partners as well as receive their own pleasure. Which is the same for paedosexuals. They want children to be happy and pleasure and they want to be happy and pleasured. It’s a two way street.

If they really cared about children, they would research the effects of paedophilic abuse and abstain from engaging in sexual activity and from propagating child porn knowing that the victims are psychologically mutilated for life. One commenter here stated that it is because they are “socially conditionned” to feel that way. But really they feel guilty, “dirty”, responsible… for the abuse they endured and rarely are the crimes brought to court.
It is also painful physiologically as prepubscent orifices are not designed to accomodate adult genitalia. Not that nature teleological, but the erogenous ares of children’s bodies are biologically not meant, intended for contact with adult ones.

I would also like to point out that the moderators should intervene in the pro-paedophilia circle jerk in these comments knowing that the delusions and attempted rationalizations are insulting and triggering to survivors and that this space should not become a safe-haven for these perverts where their behaviour is normalized en even encouraged.

So did homosexuals when everything about them was socially taboo. It’s a common social phenomenon. When one feels isolated, hated, that they are a freak or monster, especially during development, this will increase the chances all kinds of mental and social issues. It however is not innate with paedosexuality itself.

“If they really cared about children, they would research the effects of paedophilic abuse and abstain from engaging in sexual activity and from propagating child porn knowing that the victims are psychologically mutilated for life.”

You mean the research that shows that forcing children to be sexual is bad? That says nothing about consensual experiences? That shows that sexual abuse is actually not as harmful as other forms of abuse? I think most paedosexuals are much more familiar with the research than people who have no investment in it. Not to mention, as a few mentioned here, the ones that view child porn can see first hand how children react to consensual experiences. From what I read here it is a positive reaction.

“One commenter here stated that it is because they are “socially conditionned” to feel that way. But really they feel guilty, “dirty”, responsible… for the abuse they endured ”

Lol that is the definition of sociogenic harm my friend. They feel dirty because they were taught sexual contact is dirty and everyone tells them it is dirty. People with attitudes like yours exacerbate any harm they experience. Sex is not dirty and if we taught kids that the harm they suffered from real abuse would be much less and more manageable.

“It is also painful physiologically as prepubscent orifices are not designed to accomodate adult genitalia. Not that nature teleological, but the erogenous ares of children’s bodies are biologically not meant, intended for contact with adult ones.”

Good thing sexual contact includes more than just adult penis into child anus or vagina penetration. There is masturbation, oral, caressing, etc.

“I would also like to point out that the moderators should intervene in the pro-paedophilia circle jerk in these comments knowing that the delusions and attempted rationalizations are insulting and triggering to survivors and that this space should not become a safe-haven for these perverts where their behaviour is normalized en even encouraged.”

When you replace the truth with silence, the silence is a lie.

Triggering, my god, please. Censorship shows that you have no argument and shows you are losing an argument.

“I would also like to point out that the moderators should intervene in the pro-paedophilia circle jerk in these comments knowing that the delusions and attempted rationalizations are insulting and triggering to survivors and that this space should not become a safe-haven for these perverts where their behaviour is normalized en even encouraged.”

The total censorship of everything that goes against my believes. You are what is wrong with society.

“ok mr. non biased how would you mind one of your fellow pedophiles fuck you as a kid? or perhaps let them have a relationship with your kid. ”

Not a paedosexual here, but if the paedosexual respected me, loved me, and listened to me, then why would I care if we had sexual relations. A pleasurable interaction that i enjoyed. Yes, I would let one have a relationship with my child if my child wanted to.

“I am sure you would have been happy having sex at the age of 3/4. Isn’t it just something we all had on our minds? (obvious sarcasm is obvious) ”

Sex at 3/4 would hurt, but mutual masturbation or oral would not and would feel pleasurable. Yes, most children have sex on their mind but are punished for expressing this curiosity or desire and shamed. Also we are never taught the words to describe it so it’s also vague to us.

“Kids just like to play, have fun with friends, and tv. mix any of those with sex and they will like it. However that doesn’t mean they know.”

They like sexual contact too. How does this statement contradict what I say? They don’t know because no one lets them know.

I’m talking to all supporters of the Peado debate here, as quite frankly its the same crap everytime with you lot, over-simplify, blur the issue, repeat.

Ahh, classic denial we meet again. You need to stop hiding behind some seriously shaky rhetoric and a thesaurus. Only someone with serious issues would be able to justify the exploitation of children with an argument along the line of “but they like it”.
Anyhow, psychological profile element speculations aside, there are a lot of science and common sense rationales that indicate that your theories (and I’m stretching my definition to your idea in the interest of discourse) has more holes than a tea strainer. As many have pointed out; kids like all sorts of things that we protect them from; they also like inordinate amounts of sugar, running without paying attention to the environment, have no concept of risk, experiment with everything you give them (the amounts of toy related deaths alone!) and many things you wish they wouldn’t find and some, you even wonder how they found(!) in the first place. The things the brain concentrates its energy on at that time is not sexual. Bless it , the poor organ has to adjust daily just to the size of the kids body changing so it can coordinate their ever-changing limbs without causing bodily harm (it fails or course which is why kids trip and fall more), never mind language which is one of the most incredible and defining developments amongst the animal kingdom.
They are learning about the world, yes, and are open to experiences, yes, but that doesn’t mean they should experience everything ASAP. Cognitive development occurs in stages and unless someone’s brain has been altered by the copius amounts of sex hormones you receive during adolescence, the individual will have very limited reasoning and understanding of complex social and personal interactions its presented with, as well as a preponderance for being very, very fickle. This development is no mere maturation this is a phenomenal change in the brain’s architecture, AND resulting behaviour and experiences, that only BEGINS in adolescence, the kid then pretty much has to re-learn how to use this new and improved brain, as well as everything else that comes along with that time of life – it’s a hell of a lot of change. For example the last time the brain developed this dramatically was from the moment of birth – it’s a big frigging deal mate – it makes you, you! It’s primary focus is in the frontal cortex which controls reasoning and management of emotions (now more volatile because of the hormonal effects on the more primal areas of the brain + puberty is a bitch). This is determined by biology, not by how many anecdotal stories you imagine exist.
Biology and evolution have also determined that the sexual organs will be functionally redundant or even damaged if used prematurely (this is especially relevant to girls who mature earlier in general). I have a friend who is unable to have children because of the damage her own fathers abuse did to her (from the age of 6), she definitely didn’t want to, but even IF a girl did – how is that not abuse? She’s now infertile! How is that natural? And yes boys can get an erections from a young age – he still hasn’t got any functional use for it – it won’t be as sensitive, he won’t ejaculate sperm and it won’t have the same chemical release in the brain because he’s bloody child! Biology wants reproduction remember? It doesn’t give a fuck about sexual preferences – those are based on your family, your peers your cultural and societal interactions and schemas. So from Biology’s stand point, it’s not going to waste valuable resources outfitting a brain with comprehension for sexual experience until it’s needed, which won’t be until about 15 plus – when the body begins to ready itself and develop for it – full maturity around 19-22 depending. Attempting reproduction before this is dangerous to the mother, due to hip size, womb maturation – correct levels of stable hormones, which can take up to a decade to stabilise for women. Also, one of the reasons premature children still perform less well, even with today’s technology, is because their brain is bombarded with information it shouldn’t have to focus on yet – it damages them in the long term, permanently – how can you think it would not be the same for a child un-prepared for an adult level of psychological, emotional and physical intimacy?
Now, I remember being somewhat annoyed at 13 that I was not allowed to have sex because the law said so. But in all honesty I’m glad it said that, and I’m glad I didn’t until I was 18, because IT IS a life changing event and SO IT SHOULD BE! It’s one of the milestones you have towards the end of your development, when nearing young adulthood. I do know however, that if anyone thought I was mature enough to have sex at that time (I started my periods at 11), then that would be wishful thinking on their part, if not damn right exploitation – I was always very clever but I was late in terms of emotional development but adults constantly said how mature I was – misleading no? Would I have known I was emotionally immature at the time? No, because I was still developing insight at the time – so how could I consent even at a time when I was pretty convinced that I should be able to have sex if I wanted? Please tell me how you argue against this? I am the second person to give this illustration so please address it. Also, if your first full sexual encounter went off with no meaning whatsoever to you than that just screams attachment issues (which isn’t exclusive to paedophiles but usually indicative of sexual abuse – most paedophiles are abused – or at least an estranged parent or two). I think you need to look at how these thoughts started and be more honest about your own experiences. I can’t believe you’ve just suddenly started liking kids all on your own – I think you were taught. And therefore think that you can re-teach the rest of us away from what is natural.
As I am focusing on consent here, I wish you could ask my friend about it, just because they don’t say no doesn’t mean consent or enjoyment, and nor for that matter do orgasms. A Rape victim experiencing orgasms it’s incredibly common – it’s a biological reaction not a necessarily psychological one (the psychological reactions are severe trauma and PTSD related issues). This has been used as part of victim shaming/controlling by abusers and their ilk for centuries – whatever their preferred demograph. Seriously man, do some non-selective reading on psychology, biology, and especially child development and you will see THERE IS NO LOGICAL ARGUMENT FOR A CHILD BEING ABLE TO CONSENT TO SEX. I’ve heard sex offenders say such things as “see, she’s flirting with him” when describing a 6 year old interacting with her father – that mindset is just so twisted and I imagine you see that everywhere you look, right? The rest of us are too blinded by society and normalcy to see it? Yeah mate, ok, back it up with evidence and stop reducing us all down to drooling idiots just following the crowd. You are not some dismissed insightful genius who sees children for who they really are – you’re a potential predator. So again, do some reading that isn’t on a porn or peado-sympathisers site instead of fapping away to underage victims imagining how much they love it all and get some help. It’s this type of thinking that destroys lives – and usually the lives of those far too young to understand or do anything about it. I shot daddy is a good place to start, then there’s Hear no evil see no evil (documentary – incredibly harrowing) , in the academics – well you could start anywhere in the relevant sections in the book shop or the internet. Looking at individual research reports with no background knowledge is pointless and to narrow – this topic covers too many aspects of human development. By the way – porn doesn’t help mitigate sex drive or abuse – it exacerbates it. In fact even Ted Bundy saw porn as the main inspiration for developing and nurturing his fantasies early on. Stop watching, save yourself – stop reinforcing your own deviance. PS, we’re not going to watch child porn so we can satisfy the preposterous “how do you know if you haven’t seen it” argument. I haven ‘t seen a beheading, but I know it would be horrific. In fact I would rather watch 20 beheadings over 3 seconds of child porn. I can’t believe there was even a appropriate context for me saying that last sentence! I’m off before my head explodes due to sheer exasperation over man-kind. Bring on the apocalypse – we’re all doomed with idiots like this about! IT IS ABUSE GUYS – STOP DELUDING YOURSELVES.

the attempt to conjure & attach amendments to the most simplistic of facts (your implication) actually takes away from and warps the base idea. yes, there IS such a thing as “over simplification”. the sane in the world typically refer to it in another term: truth :)

also, if your head might explode from merely trying to fathom all you cannot come to grips with, you may wish to see a specialist in easing that pain. might i suggest Kevorkian?

For years law enforcement and the media told us that child pornography was a $20 billion per year industry.

This points to a different reality: that no one, or almost no one, was earning any money off of it – aside from law enforcement, quack therapists, and all sorts of lawyers and non-profits like NCMEC (who nevertheless pay their workers high salaries).

The claims that children enjoy appearing in these videos are consistent with what FBI agent Ken Lanning reported about this material (i.e., that the children were often laughing and smiling) a quarter century ago.

In light of the actual evidence that is available – such as The Rind Report, a.k.a. Rind et al (1998) – it may be time to ask whether sexuality is really harmful to children. Isn’t it curious that the exact same behavior which researchers find promotes peace and contentment in our closest primate cousins (bonobos) is claimed (without evidence) to have precisely the opposite effect among humans?

Of course, the public is not allowed to see the evidence for themselves. We are constantly told that each person arrested was in possession of “the very worst child abuse images possible”, though invariably when we discover what those images actually consisted of we find that the “very worst” is not what we might expect – such as (with the Azov case in Toronto) images of nudist boys playing, one or two of whom had an erection.

Perhaps those parties who have an interest in the child abuse industry – which is to say, the lawyers, cops, and quacks making hefty salaries by abusing kids – have been somewhat less than truthful in their claims. Perhaps that is why they make it illegal – with draconian penalties – to find out for ourselves.

Anyone involved in this should be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. Preferably a law that locks them away in a cell with a huge guy named “Bubba” who will give him protection in return for certain nightly favors. That’s the only way that pedophiles can learn that there’s no such thing as non-exploitative sex involving adults and children.

Okay, this is going to be a long post, but I can’t be silent anymore. I’m fairly sure that I have missed some important stuff, I’ll add it later if I’ll remember.

There are as many misconceptions about pedophilia (and child porn) as there are about drugs, if not even more. You know that media, police and society are often full of shit when talking about drugs. I could give examples but I believe I don’t need to.
I will give examples about CP and pedophilia though.

You will have to learn a new word – teleiophilia – the attraction to adults.

Some common misconceptions:

1. “Pedophilia is the molestation/sexual abuse of children.”
No, it’s a sexual attraction (maybe even an orientation, but please, I don’t want to go there now, I’m not explicitly stating that it IS). In layman’s terms, that means that your brain evaluates children as sexually attractive. No one knows how and why someone “becomes” a pedophile, but most sexologists have the opinion that you’re born with it. Just like when you’re a heterosexual man, you just like women. You like them. You fall in love with them. Even if you say to yourself that you don’t, you’ll still like them, because your brain evaluates women as sexually attractive (same with homosexuality). Pedophilia isn’t an act, just like teleiophilia isn’t an act.

2. “Pedophilia is a crime.”
It isn’t. No law in any civilized country mentions pedophilia. It mentions sexual molestation and abuse (see point 1).

3. “Pedophiles choose to be pedophiles.”
Why would anyone choose that? (See point 1 again)
If someone was born as a heterosexual, they could not be a pedophile even if they wanted to.
But yes, pedophiles (or non-pedophiles – see point 4) can choose to DO SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH A CHILD or not.

4. “Everyone who molests children is a pedophile.”
Not true, again. This is a tough one to explain, but this point needs more attention, so I will try.
Most cases of child sexual abuse (I mean actual abuse, forcing the children to sex, beating them, even killing them in some cases) is done by heterosexual teleiophiles. Yes, you’re reading it right. These people have the same sexual orientation as you (most likely). You ask why someone who is not sexually attracted to children would rape a child? I will give a few examples: alcohol (or similar drugs that make you indifferent to others’ feelings); sexual frustration; the child is easier to rape because it is weaker than a grown up adult; the child is the only “thing” that can be reached at the time when the abuser is horny and cannot control himself (if there was a dog near him at the time, he would rape the dog); etc…
These people are “normal” in regard to sexual orientation (if they had to choose between sex with a woman and a child, they would choose the woman), but have other psychological/personality problems. These ARE NOT pedophiles.
But yes, there are cases when actual pedophiles rape or even kill a child. But they also have other problems besides pedophilia and the percentage is so small that it’s almost not worth mentioning (if I had to guess, I would say that only 1 out of 100 cases of sexual motivated murders of children was done by a pedophile).
On the other hand, when pedophiles “molest” children, in most cases there isn’t even a penetration, just touching, looking or mutual masturbation or oral sex.

5. “Every pedophile will molest a child at some point in his life.”
No, see point 4 too and then read this.
I will compare pedophiles to heterosexuals now. If a heterosexual man likes/loves a woman, does he want to hurt her? Rape her? Kill her? Answer for yourself. Do you want to hurt someone whom you love? If your answer is no, then please continue.
Pedophiles fall in love too. But they fall in love with children. It means that a pedophile who is psychologically healthy (apart from the pedophilia) would never want to harm a child. Yes, there is also a lust, but it’s also in hetero- and homosexual people. The main point is – if the woman doesn’t want you, you will not rape her.

6. “Most child porn is a recording of actual rape. The children in CP are always crying and the man is fucking them without mercy.”
Someone already mentioned this here, he had a good point, but again. Most CP videos/pictures are a recording of a “consensual” sex (I will get into that later) and the children are often actually smiling and most of them seem to enjoy it. Most “CP” videos the police babbles about are nudist videos – no sexual activity, maybe some erection and light wanking here and there. And they call it “extreme hardcore child porn”. There are some real rape videos out there, but most people in the CP community hate these kind of videos.

7. “CP is a multi-million dollar industry.”
I have never met a person who paid for CP in my life on the Internet. Never, ever. In the 90s it was more common (VHS tapes from Russia, paying with bank accounts etc.) Not anymore. Most people who watch CP know that leaving a money trail to them is a no-no. Bitcoin could change this, as we can see on the site which this article is about. But most people (99% – my guess) wouldn’t ever pay for CP when they can get terabytes of it for free on Tor (or by other means). Would you pay for weed or coke if you could just download it for free?

8. “Female pedophiles don’t exist, only men can be pedophiles.”
I’ve met a few female pedophiles, but it certainly seems that the ratio is inclining towards men greatly. If someone wants me to elaborate more on this, I will, but I think that it’s not important to write more on this at the moment.

9. “Pedophiles aren’t interested in adults at all”
I’ve met a quite large number of pedophiles who are attracted to children and also to adults. I’ve even met some that are attracted to little boys and adult women [(not little girls nor adult men)(I’ve never met anyone who was the other way around)]. If they like adults too, that’s great – they can live their sexual life without hurting anyone and they can live a reasonably normal life.

Okay, my own story now.

I’m 18 years old. And I’m a homosexual pedophile. So far I have fallen in love with 3-4 boys aged 10-11. Adults just don’t interest me sexually – I’m one of the less fortunate pedophiles.
But guess what… I have never touched a child in an inappropriate way. And I never will. I told my mom about my sexuality (I wouldn’t do it now again, but one can’t take back what he said). She didn’t kick me out of the house. She still loves me. Why? Because I’m still the same as I were before. I have never hurt anyone.
I was born with this damnation called pedophilia. I started to notice it since I’ve been a child myself.
And now that I’m 18, what can I look forward to in my life? I can’t have a family, a girlfriend, a normal love life.
I would love to.
But I will not be regretting myself here.

Am I worse than you? Am I worse just because my brain is wired differently than it “should” be? If you think so, why? I’ve never hurt a child, I could say that most children I know like me a lot.

And that’s the case with most of us. We enjoy being around children, playing with them, taking care of them. Without anything sexual. We understand children, we live in the same “world”.

And on the topic of “consensual” sex with children. Yes, it exists. Whether you like it or not, there are a lot of children who would love to have sex with an adult. But you’re right, almost every sexual contact between an adult and a child is harmful to the child. But not because of the sexual act itself. It’s because of the society’s view on this. Even if a child came to his/her adult friend and said “I want to suck you off” and they do it together, the child will eventually learn what society thinks about it and will feel ashamed. Feel guilty. Feel hurt. So the best thing for pedos is to abstain from any sexual activity with children.
The pedos are separated – ones who want to have sex with children consensually, believing that they can protect the child from the harm (which is impossible in most cases) AND the ones who have similar opinion to mine (you won’t find many of these people on CP forums, though).

On the topic of child porn and its harmfulness. Many people say that every time someone watches a CP video, the child suffers again. This MAY be right. But why are videos of adults being raped or tortured legal (isn’t a video of a child -not naked- being beaten or tortured legal too? Not sure on this.)? Or some “prank” videos – I mean the really cruel ones. What about beatings?
Would you not feel hurt or disgraced if thousands of people all across the world watched a video of you being beaten by some gang? You would, right? But guess what. It’s essentially legal. They can watch it, they can save it, they can distribute it, they can sell it. They can even wank off watching it. But if I were to upload a naked picture of myself when I was 5, I would commit a crime. A horrible crime.
Surely, the children don’t feel good knowing that someone wanks over their porn videos. But as you can see from what I wrote above, this isn’t a valid argument.
And what about animated CP? You can’t tell me that it harms anyone. But it’s still illegal in some countries. Even written CP stories are.

And for your interest, when CP was legal in Denmark, the child abuse cases decreased A LOT. And then again increased when a law was passed to prosecute the possession of CP. Search for it if you want to know more.

I (and many of us) don’t want to legalize sex with children. All I want is a world that can differentiate between someone who hasn’t done anything wrong from someone who rapes people. I would like all of you to have at least some respect for those of us who don’t have sex with children and want to lead a good life. Please. We are people, too.

Thinking that we’re all rapists is the same as if I said that all heterosexuals rape women.
Do they? Or not? Not really sure now.

And two questions:
What would you do if your child told you that he/she is attracted to children?
Who is worse? A pedophile that watches CP, or a non-pedophile parent that treats his/her children as shit and beats them?

Will everyone bash me for this post? I think so. But it doesn’t matter. Just wanted to get this out of me for years.
Will mods delete my post because I outed myself as a pedo? I really hope not. It’s a freedom of speech, right?

Thanks for sharing that Matt. Good for you on deciding not to “act out”! Most paedos are gentle and harmless like you. I believe the Law preventing sex with children is vital and must be upheld but those that do break this Law should be treated in a civilised manner in prison. I belive this for ethical reasons. If you want a pragmatic reason ; if a perp thought they would be used violently in prison they might consider drastic action to silence the witness.

Sadly not all paedophiles are like Matt. There are some who get a thrill from the power they excersise within an organisation – often a church – having sex with the kids and getting away with it. Some of them are really nasty sick bastards – not many thankfully.

Not all pedophiles are like Matt? I am a pedophile exactly like Matt, I love children I want them to be happy and smile.

We would be lying if we said we wouldn’t act on it if it was legal. I for one don’t get a thrill over the power it may give and I have also not acted on it. What I like is for the child to enjoy them selves.

Am I wrong? I cant help my attraction to children what shall I do? Get help? No. Just because in society you don’t agree with it I should ‘get help’.

Psychologists will say I’m a social path or so to put it because I don’t want to ‘change’. It’s true I may not want to change but that’s partly because it’s who I am. Going to therapy won’t actually help just like how you can’t change you’re gay or straight.

What I find Ironic is a lot of articles these days say ‘pedophilia its self isn’t wrong but they need help’.
Say that to a straight person who likes adults or someone who is gay.

You will find it hard to believe but 95% of the time the child is happy and smiling. Is it manipulation? Most definitely but regardless how you look at it society are manipulating children telling them it’s wrong, just as well as the pedophile may be convincing them it’s correct. And almost 90% of pedophiles are loving pedophiles on a level which you won’t ever understand.

Either way both society and the pedophile who acts on it are probably manipulating the child in some form but would you rather manipulate a child where they can smile? Or when they are sad because you told them it’s wrong?

No matter what you want to say it will be classed as ‘rape’. In fact it better terms ‘statutory rape’. The fact is just by saying that in its self is manipulation. We all know rape is wrong don’t we? Statutory rape in its self is flawed – so an 18 year old with down syndrome can make more of a choice than a 10 year old child who doesn’t have down syndrome?

I’m not being funny but I knew I was a pedo from the age of 12…

What I would like to know is why is it throughout the west laws vary very much on the legal age of sex? Denmark 14? Spain 13? Germany 16? So just because they are potentially 150000 miles away then they are more of an adult and can make such choice? Who actually made this rubbish up? Psychologists? If that’s the case why doesn’t every country have the same laws?

It’s simple it has been used for politics, a lot of votes come from parents and as soon as politicians say ‘we want to protect the children’ you think of you own child.

We have to hide because we are afraid of what people will think of us, we will lose friends and family just because we cant help our attraction. One more thing to add not all pedophiles are like 50 year olds with no jobs.

We have lifes too and going to prison for us is scary because we are the most hated on the planet in prisons..

I thought I might contribute to this discussion and cut away the flak a bit. While I want to maintain my anonymity, I am an academic researcher published in the field of child sexual victimisation and exploitation, and I have also had experience working professionally within this area.

First of all, paedophilia: the sexual attraction to children. I use the term ‘paedophilia’ and ‘paedophile’ for ease of understanding, incorporating hebephilia (the attraction to pubescent underage children). I will use the term ‘children’ to refer to teenagers as well. Now, there’s two understandings here: 1) the psychological condition as set out in the DSM, and the broader sexual attraction to children.

Is being a paedophile illegal? Of course not. Being sexually attracted to anything is legal in most Western countries–it is *acting out* on some of these attractions that are illegal. So being attracted to animals, for instance, is fine–but if you sexually interact with an animal, that’s bestiality and a crime.

Are paedophiles born attracted to children? Well this is something that’s still being researched, and hopefully one day we’ll have an answer. Right now, however, you cannot definitively state that paedophiles are born that way. One of the problems is that, unlike homosexuality, it is impossible to definitively tell whether a person will grow up to be a paedophile by looking at their childhood behaviours. Heterosexual children act a certain way to the opposite sex; homosexual children act a certain way to the same sex (this is a generalising statement, obviously). Are there paedophile children? It’s impossible to tell.

My personal opinion, based on my studies and professional experience, is that paedophiles are not born that way. I believe it is a developed paraphilia, and that there are multiple ways of developing it. I think there may be certain pre-conditions that can be developed through life experiences that increase the chances of developing paedophilia, such as lowered compulsion control. These pre-conditions won’t *always* lead towards developing paraphilias, obviously.

Now, I will define acting out on paedophilia as “child sexual victimisation” (yes, it gives you a preview into my beliefs for the next big question!).

Is child sexual victimisation negative for children? I firmly believe it is. Studies conducted on children and adults who have experience child sexual victimisation, including self-report studies, victim surveys and the more traditional population studies indicate that negative life effects such as post traumatic stress, lower life, work and education achievements, re-victimisation as children and adults, substance abuse, depression and suicide are common. Meta-analyses of such studies have reached the same conclusions–an older one off the top of my head is Paoluccia, Genuisa and Violato (2001) if you’re interested.

My direct experience in this field also corroborates these findings, including experiences with victims, perpetrators and others who work in the area.

I have read comments in this article that indicate a belief that children can consent to sexual contact, that they enjoy sexual contact (as evidenced by child exploitation material) and that older children, such as teenagers, are less likely to be harmed. I will address these points here:

Consent. Children, including teenagers, cannot give informed consent to a sexual encounter with an adult. Even if they appear mature, or are physically mature, they lack the life experience and emotional/psychological maturity needed to give informed consent. A human being’s brain does not actually finish developing well into the 20s, but a lot of the crucial development occurs in the teenage years that allows for better choices. Of course, not even all adult choices are well-informed, but the line is based on practicality as well as science. An 18 year old can be taken advantage of as much as a 13 year old, but it is more unlikely, and an 18 year old hopefully has more resilience and emotional maturity to resist it.

Notice I said ‘adult’ there–children going through puberty do experiment with their peers. Such experimentation *can* go wrong, however for the most part it relatively healthy and born of curiosity. The key difference is that peer sexual interaction is on an equal level, lacking the inescapable power imbalance inherent to adult-child sexual interactions. A sexually mature adult cannot be on an equal footing with a sexually immature child.

Enjoyment. To a point, children can derive pleasure–however, I would define this as ‘sensual’ pleasure, not ‘sexual’. Sexuality is more than just physical sensation–for pleasure to be sexual, emotional and mental sexuality must be fully mature. This is why we describe children as ‘innocent’–they may derive self-pleasure, but it is wholly on a simple, physical level. This does not mean that another person should provide them pleasure–this makes an innocent experience into a one-sided sexual one, which research tells us can be very damaging psychologically.

Older children are less likely to be harmed. Once more, this is based on the misconception that because teenagers tend to be, for want of a better word, ‘randy’, that they will find sexual interaction with an adult to be a positive experience. Of course, as you approach the age of 18 this becomes a grey area, but as a general rule, sexual experimentation between peers is healthy due to this experimentation being on an equal footing. Even if older children request it from an adult, it is up to the adult to be responsible and say ‘no’. Teenagers are not emotionally mature enough to sexually interact with adults–once again, studies have shown many negative effects that arise from such interactions. This is even true when teenagers seek out such interactions themselves.

Anyway I’ve written a lot here, even though I’ve tried to keep it as short as possible. If you have any questions or comments, please don’t hesitate but I’d appreciate it if you kept it civil. I will endeavour to answer everyone, but my time is always limited (when did life get so busy!).

You wrote a lot, most of it was drawing conclusions that cannot be drawn from the research mentioned as well as injecting your own moral beliefs on sexuality. Also mentioning your credentials means little as you can be lying very easily.

Fact: No research that controls for upbringing and social environment shows that consensual sexual contact between anyone is innately harmful. It does not exist. Thus, it is intellectually dishonest as a supposed researcher yourself to claim that consensual sexual contact between a child and adult (that you manipulatively label “child sexual victimization” regardless of what children themselves think) is always innately harmful to the child.

Fact: Much research done (including anthropological research) that attempts to control for the above mentioned factors actually shows that consensual sexual contact between an adult and child is not innately harmful and is beneficial to the child. I make the claim “beneficial” merely because if something is not psychologically harmful, but brings physical pleasure, then that is a benefit. It is also known that desired sexual stimulation releases oxytocin, a stress reducing bonding hormone. Another benefit. You can look at the Rind research as well as books such as “Harmful to Minors” and “The Trauma Myth” which outlines research themselves you can look up.

Fact: Regardless it is still imperative that paedosexuals avoid overt sexual contact with children. We do not live in a vacuum and regardless of how much explaining you do, no matter how loving and caring and respectful you are, people like this researcher here make a living off insisting all (or most) children are abused and harmed. Their paycheck and moral psyche relies on this. The child grows up in this society and more often than not will re-conceptualize what they previously enjoyed as abuse in some way.

Fact: The brain scan studies suffer some of the same flaws that most child sexual contact studies suffer. They are not culturally tolerant. Children and teens in most developed nations are heavily controlled, forced to interact mainly with peers and only with adults as authority figures, kept away from adult topics and activities, and rarely allowed to make many decisions. This impacts development of the frontal lobe causing delays in it’s growth. This is ignoring that brain scan studies are very sketchy to begin with. For this fact I suggest the research of Dr. Robert Epstein.

Thank you for your response, I’ll endeavour to reply to your points one by one.

“You wrote a lot, most of it was drawing conclusions that cannot be drawn from the research…”

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“…as well as injecting your own moral beliefs on sexuality.”

Where I’ve expressed my own opinion has been clearly indicated, but feel free to draw out specific examples which I can address for you.

“Also mentioning your credentials means little as you can be lying very easily.”

Thus is the eternal problem with anonymity!

“No research that controls for upbringing and social environment shows that consensual sexual contact between anyone is innately harmful.”

I think you misunderstood me, and perhaps I wasn’t clear enough on this. I realise that several posters in this thread has put forward the view that a child’s (including teenagers) expressed consent is equal to an adult’s consent–that is, it is informed and comes from an equal footing and sexual maturity.

I have put forth my disagreement with this view in my previous post–that a child cannot give informed consent equal to that of an adult.

To address your response to this, that is the reason why no such reputable and peer-reviewed research exists.

“…(that you manipulatively label “child sexual victimization” regardless of what children themselves think)…”

I use the term used in current discourse; I did endeavour to point out that I’m intentionally using that term. Therefore I disagree that I’m attempting to manipulate anyone, as manipulation (in my mind anyway) requires some sort of subversion–or to put it another way, I didn’t attempt to slip that in without flagging it.

“…You can look at the Rind research as well as books such as “Harmful to Minors” and “The Trauma Myth” which outlines research themselves you can look up.”

The Rind study, as well as those books, can be described as “controversial” at *best*. I have definitely looked into many of these studies and most (if not all) seem to feature bad methodology, faulty analysis or both. The Rind study is certainly a good effort, as any meta analysis is, however there was a series of failures in the assumptions and definitions it tested. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I know a subsequent study attempted to replicate its findings by correcting these flaws, but the findings of *that* study only supported very general statements–for example, that not all child sexual victimisation resulted in damage that lasted a significant amount of the victims’ lives. This is true, naturally, as each individual has varying levels of coping skills.

If you like, I can spend some time doing a formal collation of these sources, but it wouldn’t be ready for this discussion. As far as I’m aware, there has been no reputable research that is contrary to my earlier statements–if you’re aware of anything else, send it my way.

“…people like this researcher here make a living off insisting all (or most) children are abused and harmed.”

I’m not entirely certain what to make of this statement… Please correct me if I’ve misunderstood, but you appear to be implying that the reason I work and study in this field is to make money–that there is some sort of financial motive behind what I do?

I realise you don’t know me, and that you may not be aware of this level of detail, but I’m certainly not doing this for profit! With my skills, I could easily move onto another field and make a significantly greater amount of money. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not poor, but this is pretty much a regular job–I dare say if you work in the private sector, you may actually earn more than I am right now!

No, I do what I do because I’ve followed the logic, done my research, thought through as many view points as possible. I don’t take these things lightly. I’ve read bad research on my ‘side’ of this discussion as well, but even factoring that in, the evidence indicates that child sexual victimisation causes harm.

“The child grows up in this society and more often than not will re-conceptualize what they previously enjoyed as abuse in some way.”

This statement is fairly notorious in that you cannot test it. It’s a little like saying that the Earth revolves around the sun because of God, but everyone else thinks it’s gravity because society believes in science.

“…This impacts development of the frontal lobe causing delays in it’s growth.”

This is a similar argument, however cultures around the world aren’t actually as homogenous as you seem to believe. Obviously I’m not an expert on the brain, but I believe that childhood brain development is significantly similar across cultures.

As for Dr. Epstein, I know of his ‘research’, though I haven’t studied it in depth. From what I understand, he takes results that can best be described as “indicative” and labels them “conclusive” for popular science media. However I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, since I haven’t read as deeply into his work.

I hope I’ve addressed all of your points–as I said I’m always time-poor and I have other comments to address. Remind me if I haven’t.

“To address your response to this, that is the reason why no such reputable and peer-reviewed research exists.”

This is not addressing my criticism at all. Literally completely irrelevant to my criticism. Controlling for social attitudes and upbringing vs the legitimacy of the consent itself. If that’s the best you can do, only time is a factor in the acceptance of consented adult/child sexual interactions. Still, let me apply criticism to your view on the legitimacy of a child’s consent.

” I realise that several posters in this thread has put forward the view that a child’s (including teenagers) expressed consent is equal to an adult’s consent–that is, it is informed and comes from an equal footing and sexual maturity.”

First, I have never said that. A child’s consent, just as an adult’s, can be informed or misinformed, given the nature of children they will be generally less informed than an adult and generally a child’s sexuality is more immature than an adult’s but this is not true across the board. We don’t seem to actually have a disagreement here.

“I have put forth my disagreement with this view in my previous post–that a child cannot give informed consent equal to that of an adult.”

Look at it this way, through your own lens. A child can’t give informed consent to anything and their maturity and experience on most topics is not as advanced as compared to adults. That is not a reason to justify banning them from consenting to all kinds of interactions with adults. In fact, their consent is often ignored in most other areas.

This is also why most of your points are opinion, not research based. This is your opinion, like some parents say kids shouldn’t curse, and others don’t care, or some say they should be allowed to handle their own money, and some want them to, some say they can’t travel the subway system alone, and some say they can.

“To address your response to this, that is the reason why no such reputable and peer-reviewed research exists.”

As I said before, the two aren’t even related. There are plenty of tribes and cultures that still allow child sexuality and ample historical anthropological evidence. As well as gigabytes upon gigabytes of video and picture evidence (which admittedly would be weak) but the problem is no one will provide grant money for this research and the law makes much of it illegal. Did you know after the Rind research came out the government banned any research that didn’t conclude adult/child sexual contact was always harmful?

“I use the term used in current discourse; I did endeavour to point out that I’m intentionally using that term”

The term in current discourse is used precisely to manipulate people’s views. Which is why masturbation was once called “self-harm”. It’s meant to sway opinion without providing any actual research as well as tainting any future research done. You using it perpetuates this manipulation.

“The Rind study, as well as those books, can be described as “controversial” at *best*. I have definitely looked into many of these studies and most (if not all) seem to feature bad methodology, faulty analysis or both. The Rind study is certainly a good effort, as any meta analysis is, however there was a series of failures in the assumptions and definitions it tested.”

I, of course, welcome the criticism of all studies, whether they support my view or not. Rind has plenty of issues as you mentioned. What I find ironic is your inability to apply this criticism to the research you use for your opinions. Then when I state these valid criticisms you wave it off by bringing up an unrelated topic.

” As far as I’m aware, there has been no reputable research that is contrary to my earlier statements–if you’re aware of anything else, send it my way.”

I can’t provide research that proves that you conclusions drawn from the research are incorrect. My criticism still stands, no study that claims adult and child sexual contact is innately harmful has controlled for consent, upbringing and social environment. None. when studies such as Rind controlled for consent, they found that the damage actually was much less than previously thought.

“No, I do what I do because I’ve followed the logic, done my research, thought through as many view points as possible. I don’t take these things lightly. I’ve read bad research on my ‘side’ of this discussion as well, but even factoring that in, the evidence indicates that child sexual victimisation causes harm.”

Show me the study that shows consensual sexual contact is harmful to children. I too claim to follow logic, do research, and think through more than one view point. I am not a paedosexual so I don’t have any weight on that side and I used to agree with your viewpoint. However, there is no logic on that side, your side. If sex were to be innately harmful to children then we would do our best to prevent childhood masturbation and sexual exploration with peers, however the most up to date literature says this is good and healthy. Then everyone performs a 360 and says “but if an adult is involved, even if loving, respectful, and caring for the child’s consent it is harmful and innately harmful at that!”

That is not logic.

“This statement is fairly notorious in that you cannot test it.”

What? The whole “repressed memory” nonsense is evidence that this is possible. People have created memories, to suggest that altering memories to fit a social standard is not testable is kind of funny. “When I was a kid it felt funny and good and I didn’t think anything of it. Then I got older and realized it was abuse and I was manipulated and raped, now I have all these psychological problems” That’s called re-conceptualization right there.

“This is a similar argument”

Are you serious? When you don’t use a part of the brain, it does not develop as well. This is easily observable.

” From what I understand, he takes results that can best be described as “indicative” and labels them “conclusive” for popular science media. ”

“Controlling for social attitudes and upbringing vs the legitimacy of the consent itself…”

We are talking about sexual interaction between a child and an adult, right? My point is that a child is incapable of giving informed consent–it is not akin to, say, a naive adult consenting to something and later regretting it. As you seem to agree in your previous post, a child is psychologically, sexually and physically immature. This makes it impossible for a child to give informed consent to something as serious as a sexual interaction with a sexually, psychologically and physically mature adult. It doesn’t matter what social attitudes are. Social attitudes come into play when a mature person decides to have sex–hence the difference between paedophilia and homosexuality.

As I said earlier, I’m not saying that social attitudes don’t create difficulties for a child to deal with such an experience. However, social attitudes and upbringing simply don’t factor into the central point: a child is incapable of giving informed consent.

If you’re saying that a child has the maturity required to give consent, then we differ on a crucial point and there’s no reason in arguing it. It would be as pointless as an argument over whether an object is a chair or a table.

“First, I have never said that.”

I didn’t say you did.

“…We don’t seem to actually have a disagreement here.”

We do, I think. You use the word ‘generally’. I think that a child cannot consent to sexual interaction with an adult; before the onset of puberty, a child cannot consent to *any* sexual interaction with anyone. There is absolutely no situation in which a child can give informed consent to sexual interaction with an adult.

“A child can’t give informed consent to anything and their maturity and experience on most topics is not as advanced as compared to adults. That is not a reason to justify banning them from consenting to all kinds of interactions with adults.”

I’m not saying we should ban children from interacting with adults; society cannot function if we do that. I am saying we should continue banning *sexual* interaction with adults.

I understand the point you’re trying to make. The problem is that this isn’t akin to changing social perspectives about, say, the corporal punishment of children… or even homosexuality. The harm caused by child sexual victimisation is a direct result of the sexual, physical and psychological immaturity of the child. Sex is a deeply powerful, deeply emotional force–the primal force of nature, if you want to get lyrical about it. There’s so much more to sex than mere physical sensuality. It’s dangerous to play around even for adults, but for someone who doesn’t have that sexual and psychological maturity? How exactly can children even understand the multifaceted dimensions of sex, let alone give informed consent to it? How can they cope with an inherent power imbalance in a sexual interaction with a sexually and psychologically mature adult?

“In fact, their consent is often ignored in most other areas.”

Yes, of course. They can’t give consent, they aren’t mature enough. I admit this is sometime to their detriment that parents have control of their children, but in the majority of the time this is a good thing.

“This is your opinion, like some parents say kids shouldn’t curse, and others don’t care, or some say they should be allowed to handle their own money, and some want them to, some say they can’t travel the subway system alone, and some say they can.”

These examples can’t actually compare to sexual consent. Well, maybe the subway example because that could actually be dangerous; but regardless, the comparison is flawed. Take the cursing example–this is child rearing, not child safety. There isn’t a particular risk of harm to the child, and an even unlikelier risk of long-term harm.

“There are plenty of tribes and cultures that still allow child sexuality and ample historical anthropological evidence.”

So what? Historical evidence of child-adult sexual interaction? Again, so what? Just because some tribes and cultures do/have done something doesn’t make it safe, or not harmful.

“As well as gigabytes upon gigabytes of video and picture evidence…”

I don’t understand what you’re referring to here… are you talking about child exploitation material?

“Did you know after the Rind research came out the government banned any research that didn’t conclude adult/child sexual contact was always harmful?”

Which government? There’s no such ban I’m aware of where I live, although obviously there are research ethics to pass.

“It’s meant to sway opinion without providing any actual research as well as tainting any future research done. You using it perpetuates this manipulation.”

It’s a result of actual research, not a term that arises without research. My using it helps to ensure that the inherent harm in child sexual victimisation is conveyed.

“What I find ironic is your inability to apply this criticism to the research you use for your opinions.”

Actually I am a strident critic of bad research–I was horrified, for example, at the assumptions and faulty methodology of the Butner Study–even the redux version. Especially the redux version. If the results of the Butner Study was accurate then it would make my life a *lot* easier; however I’ve criticised it both academically and professionally. It’s as faulty as the claim that the child exploitation material industry was worth $20 billion–that’s ridiculous. A more reasonable estimate is available from the UN, but I can’t remember offhand what it was–certainly not anywhere near $20 billion.

However, as I’ve previously stated, even factoring in terrible research like these examples, the reliable research still points to child sexual victimisation being harmful.

“Then when I state these valid criticisms you wave it off by bringing up an unrelated topic.”

Well, see above. I stand by my comments.

“My criticism still stands, no study that claims adult and child sexual contact is innately harmful has controlled for consent, upbringing and social environment. None.”

If I have time I’ll look into this further, however I’ve responded to why this is.

“when studies such as Rind controlled for consent, they found that the damage actually was much less than previously thought.”

But you agreed (to an extent) that the Rind study was flawed. As I stated previously, I haven’t come across any of these studies that are reputable pieces of research.

“Show me the study that shows consensual sexual contact is harmful to children.”

I indicated a meta analysis earlier that points to the harms caused by child sexual victimisation, but your request is flawed: there can be no consensual sexual contact between a child and an adult, because a child cannot give informed consent. I’m not sure how else to put it, particularly as you’ve partly agreed with me. You cannot research phenomena that does not exist.

Let me ask you a question then, and see if we can get to the bottom of this: how can children, who are not sexually, physically or psychologically mature, give informed consent to sex with an adult?

“If sex were to be innately harmful to children then we would do our best to prevent childhood masturbation and sexual exploration with peers, however the most up to date literature says this is good and healthy.”

Childhood masturbation is a sexual act, however it is not a sexual interaction with another person. It does not contain the psychological and physical impact that sex has.

Sexual exploration with peers (past the onset of puberty) isn’t necessarily *healthy* and can lead to harm, especially where pregnancy is concerned. However, sexual exploration between children on an equal footing will be less harmful than sexual interaction with a sexually mature adult. To give one example, sexual exploration between early-adolescent peers does not usually extend to sexual intercourse–this is more of a factor when there is an age imbalance.

To put the latter in another way, it’s not always safe and healthy, but sexual interaction between a child and an adult is never safe or healthy.

“Then everyone performs a 360 and says “but if an adult is involved, even if loving, respectful, and caring for the child’s consent it is harmful and innately harmful at that!””

The adult may have the best of intentions, but ultimately there is a power imbalance. There is no informed consent on the part of the child and the adult will be influencing the child sexually. There is no situation where the adult can sexually interact with a child that consent can be given, however ‘gentle’ the sexual interaction is. There is no situation where that power imbalance cannot exist, other than when the adult does not sexually interact with the child.

“The whole “repressed memory” nonsense is evidence that this is possible.”

The repressed memories controversies were a result of very directed psychological misconduct. Your statement is a very broad and general one; how would you set about testing it?

““When I was a kid it felt funny and good and I didn’t think anything of it. Then I got older and realized it was abuse and I was manipulated and raped, now I have all these psychological problems” That’s called re-conceptualization right there.”

Or it’s realisation of why that individual has experienced harm in the first place–often these realisations come after having experienced long-term results of victimisation, such as depression, post traumatic stress, substance abuse and so forth.

I’m making a point here, though–how can you possibly test such a statement?

“When you don’t use a part of the brain, it does not develop as well.”

That may be so, but you’re attributing it to a specific cause. That’s what can’t be tested in this instance.

“That is EXACTLY what people do with the brains can studies.”

Such as your interpretation above? Sorry, couldn’t resist!

I think we have a fundamental difference of interpretation here, maybe. I’m happy to continue discussing this, but I really don’t see this going anywhere. Anyway I look forward to your response.

informed consent does not mean a thing when technically isn’t informed how anyone learns anything these days the child of the same age is just as likely to be in the dark and blind about the topic as the one who is intrigued, its not a matter of right or wrong but being picky about what you the so called professional is willing to believe.

its social and simply that a child can and will seek sex out and its up to society to not warp their fragile minds as you so claim into believing a lie just because you think it serves a greater good. just admit where you don’t know what you are talking about and leave it at that because you would have saved your breath or the however long it took for you to write your posts.

“its social and simply that a child can and will seek sex out and its up to society to not warp their fragile minds as you so claim into believing a lie just because you think it serves a greater good. just admit where you don’t know what you are talking about and leave it at that because you would have saved your breath or the however long it took for you to write your posts.”

I’m afraid I’m having considerable difficulty understanding what you’re saying here. I think I’ve addressed your points in my response above. Have a read of it, and if it hasn’t addressed your points, then perhaps you can write out your concerns in point-form? Your paragraphs are difficult to understand.

Fact: Pedos hate women, they would create a society where they can kill females that are over 18 and kill men who aren’t pedos.

Fact: Pedos enjoy hurting kids.

Fact: A world without pedos means a better worlds

Fact: pedos only date or marry adults so they rape their kids.

Fact: Pedos only get women pregnant so they can engage in pedo incest.

Fact: pedos are basically sociopaths. They have no conscience

Fact: pedos will abuse kids.because they lack a conscience, logic and self control their subhuman,savage urges will make them act on it.

Fact: People wish they could kill pedos. Hopefully laws in the future this will allow this to happen.

Fact: Pedos who have STDs like to infect kids with those STDs.

Fact: letting people see pedos as humans will only result in an increase of sexual abuse and murder of kids.

Fact: Pedos can never be trusted.

Fact: chimpanzee possesses more human qualities than pedos.

Fact: pedos are violent savages

Fact: pedos should have no rights anywhere in the world.

Fact: pedos thinks it is funny to see people sad about when their child has been abused by them

Fact: when a kid says they will tell or to stop pedos bruttal rape and kill those kids.

Fact: pedos want everyone else to be a pedophiles with them. Pedos in the comment section are trying to recruit people.

Fact: pedos kidnapped kids all the time.

Fact: pedos think that having an attraction to adult is wrong and immoral. They believe. that only.healthy adults want kids.

Fact: pedos want to own a lot of children then kill them and thrown them in a hole when they are 17/18.

Fact: pedos want to rape aborted fetuses.

Fact: pedos are going to start an terrorist organization group that kills women and encourage men to grow.

Fact: pedos want schools to teach kids that they must have sex before the they turn 7, child must sexually please adults or they will be tortured and killed, and that they ar have nothing unless they have adult lovers.

Fact: pedos want to make relationships between adults illegal

Fact: They want to eat kids while alive .

Fact: They will stop at nothing to.achieve their hellish agendas.
Fact: pedos have serious development problems and emotional problems so they don’t understand logic. This is their logic:

Women are disgusted, ugly and useless. They feel women are only good for making kids they can own and rape. They also believe that all kids want to have sex with them. They also believe kids don’t feel pain but. They only cry because society tells them to.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(Romans 1:28-32)

Consensual sexual experiences with adults does not seem to do children any harm, as per Rind et al, but it also appears that such experiences may do children considerable good (just as is known to be the case among some of our closest non-human relatives – bonobos).

In fact, pedophilia seems to be correlated with neoteny and self-domestication – evolutionary processes based on retention of juvenile traits that have caused humanity to become more intelligent, more cooperative, and more peaceful – in short, without attraction to juvenile traits there would be no human civilization.

Thanks for your response. You’ve linked me to a few articles, and I’ll attempt to read them all later on, but you’ll have to forgive me if I read only one for each point right now. I’m writing this in the small amount of free time I have these days!

“Pedophilia is clearly a sexual orientation, usually from birth but occasionally occurring later in life.”

I read the first article, and alarm bells immediately began sounding in my head when height and IQ start being mentioned as physical characteristics shared by a non-genetically similar population. A few shortcomings appear instantly: the studied population comprises of convicted sex offenders and many of them seem to have had head injuries, which the researcher somehow attributes to ‘clumsiness’ and then extrapolates that these similarities in the sample somehow means paedophilia is a sexual orientation from birth. I also wonder if the head injuries have any effect on white matter and IQ?

The article also states that “Pedophilia has been widely viewed as a psychological disorder triggered by early childhood trauma”. This isn’t actually true; childhood trauma can be one of many catalysts.

Of course, some good points are made–the current visceral reaction of society to paedophiles, including non-offending paedophiles, do not allow for adequate treatment and may actually worsen the problem.

However, the main theory isn’t very convincing, from a research perspective.

“Consensual sexual experiences with adults does not seem to do children any harm, as per Rind et al, but it also appears that such experiences may do children considerable good (just as is known to be the case among some of our closest non-human relatives – bonobos).”

Unfortunately, the first link does not work for me (a security error) and the second article discusses very outdated work and does not seem to be very reputable. Can you please send me a better source–I don’t want to comment without a more solid source. I have addressed Rind above.

“That said, some children who were not harmed by acts at the time have been harmed by social reactions after the fact…”

Actually, I don’t dispute that in some cases, the reactions of people around them have worsened or caused unnecessary harm to children. However, there is a statistically significant amount of victims (even with the dark figure of crime) who have been harmed by child sexual victimisation for this to have any bearing on our discussion.

As for the essay you linked, it features a sample of one, and the differences in the account could also be explained in a multitude of other ways.

“…in short, without attraction to juvenile traits there would be no human civilization.”

Again, I think this is well outside the scope of this discussion, and is not able to be tested–this is simply interpreting a theory.

In 1994 a study by Pilip Ney, Tak Fung, and Adele Wickett was published1 that seems to suggest some very interesting things about the possible positive effects of sexual experiences2 for children. Interestingly, and predictably, the authors do not seem to notice that this is a result of their own study and, if anything, seem to assume that the opposite is the case. But a careful examination of their own findings suggests a different set of facts.

The opening paragraph of the article (p. 705) announces the issue that they wish to study:

“Although there is a great deal of literature on the mistreatment of children, there is almost nothing on combinations of various types of abuse and neglect. Most writing in this area is about one form or another, as if different abuse or neglect incidents occurred singly. Clinicians know this is not the case. Clinically, it appears that physical, verbal, or sexual abuse seldom occur without some component of other mistreatment. Various forms of abuse are frequently combined with either physical or emotional neglect.”

They then go on to report the results of their study of 167 children and adolescents (both boys and girls) aged 7 to 18 who had reported3 having experienced more than one of the following: physical abuse, physical neglect, verbal abuse, emotional neglect, and sexual abuse.

Firstly, the authors assess how strongly correlated each form of abuse or neglect is with each other form. For each type of abuse or neglect, severity and frequency were highly correlated (ranging from .848 to .949) except for sexual abuse, which had a very low correlation (.100). This suggests already that sexual abuse is a very different thing from the other types of abuse or neglect. It suggests that comparisons or analogies to these other types of abuse may simply not apply. so viewing sexual abuse as we view physical abuse (and they often are seen as similar in important ways) could lead to great error.

Secondly, the authors produce a table that shows the effects each form of abuse or neglect had on the children when the effects were isolated and measured independently. The variables measured, based on the child’s own reports of how they felt, were:

Low enjoyment of living
My own future is bad
Poor chance of a happy marriage
Poor chance of having children
Poor chance of living to old age
Poor chance of developing into the person I could be.

Based on the results of this the authors were able to rate the different forms of abuse and neglect from worst to least effects on children in this order:

Their own conclusion was that of the five forms of abuse and neglect that sexual abuse was the least harmful on these measurements. In fact, of the six categories measured, sexual abuse produced a positive correlation with negative answers only to “poor chance of a happy marriage” and “poor chance of developing into the person I could be.” But even in each of these cases, several other forms of abuse or neglect had even higher correlations. In the category “my future is bad” the correlation for sexually abused children was a mere .03 while it ranged from .22 to .37 for the others. In other words, sexual abuse is dramatically less connected with children having a negative outlook on life than other abused or neglected children.

Thirdly, the authors produced tables to rank the 20 different possible ways4 that the forms of abuse and neglect could appear in combinations of two or three together. When looking at the top ten worst combinations, the authors note the following:

Verbal abuse appears seven times in the top ten combinations (including all of the six worst combinations).
Physical neglect appears six times in the top ten combinations (including combinations 1, 2, and 5).
Physical abuse appears five times in the top ten combinations (including the worst combination).
Emotional neglect appears five times in the top ten combinations (including the 3rd worst combination).
Sexual abuse appears only one time in the top ten combinations (and only the 8th worst combination at that, when combined with both verbal abuse and physical neglect).

These conclusions are striking, but not nearly as striking as the one conclusion that the authors of the report failed to make. Since they compared all possible combinations of two or three forms of abuse or neglect together, we can see in the rankings an amazing pattern: In every case without exception the combination of two of the forms of abuse or neglect had worse results if the pair did not include sexual abuse than the combination of the same two forms with sexual abuse added. To give an example, the combination of physical neglect and verbal abuse was the second worst combination of the twenty, but the combination of physical neglect, verbal abuse, and sexual abuse was only the eighth worst combination. This seems to suggest that the sexual abuse that these children were subject to over and above the two other forms of abuse/neglect made their situation better, not worse. The same thing is true for all six possible pairs that exclude sexual abuse – in each case adding sexual abuse to the equation improves the outcomes.

Now before we can conclude that sexual abuse is clearly beneficial to children suffering other forms of abuse or neglect, we need to be careful about possible misreadings of the data. Firstly, this is only one study, and so other studies need to be done to see if these results can be confirmed or not. Secondly, the results actually only show a correlation between children’s experiences of abuse/neglect and their outlook on their futures, so to assume that it proves causality could be mistaken. I will be making another post in the next few days that looks at exactly this error in scientific studies of sexual abuse. But in the absence of possible other explanations for why these results are as they are, they do suggest that it is possible that sexual abuse mitigates the effects of other forms of abuse/neglect that children experience.

How could this be possible? Well, the average pedophile has an answer that most scientists are not willing to consider. It just might be the case that these studies are including a lot of children as “sexually abused” who are engaged in freely chosen, enjoyable, and beneficial sexual relationships with adults. So if a child is being verbally abused and physically neglected by his or her parents, it should be no surprise that the child who has an adult friend with whom he or she is having a sexual relationship has a more positive outlook on his or her life than a child who does not.

Is it likely that some of these cases being called “sexual abuse” are really not abusive at all, but loving and beneficial relationships? One needs only read the only narrative they offer of a specific case. Here it is, in its entirety:

“Joe was brought for psychiatric evaluation because of violent altercations with his siblings, alternating with periods of morbid fascination with death. Over a 4-year period, he, together with his older brother and sister, had been sexually abused by their mother’s bisexual husband. this often occurred while the mother was having an affair with her husband’s lover. The mother had been sexually abused when she was very young and was frequently neglected by her mother. She was now physically and verbally violent toward her own children. Both the sexual and physical abuse had been preceded by periods of neglect when the mother was partying. Treatment required a number of hospitalizations. It was complicated by Joe’s attachment to his mother’s bisexual lover (that they both insisted was a father-son affection).”

One does not need to be a genius to read between the lines here, one only needs to believe that sexual relationships can be consensual and positive for children. The anecdote is clear: The mother neglected her son. The mother physically and verbally abused her son. The step-father had a sexual relationship with the boy that both called positive. This claim that the relationship was positive was seen as a complication to the boy’s treatment. But what they overlook is the real possibility that the step-father and his affection might have been exactly what the boy both wanted and needed.

If scientists doing this and other related research want to really understand the effects of sexual abuse, they will first need to separate the cases of real abuse from other consensual sexual experiences. I doubt highly that real sexual abuse has positive effects on a child’s life and outlook on it, but so long as researchers fail to separate the good sexual relationships from the abusive ones, studies might just show results like this again and again. While the scientists scratch their heads to try to understand how this could be, the pedophiles of the world will not be the least bit surprised by it. We have known (or should have known) all along that sexual relationships with adults can be beneficial for children.

2 The article consistently uses the term “sexual abuse” which is defined on p.707 as “exposed, forced intercourse, incest, used for pornography, etc.” It should be noted that there is good reason to believe that the authors of the study would not consider a consensual relationship possible between a minor and an adult, and so any such relationships also are included as cases of “sexual abuse.”

3 The subjects were partly a clinical sample, partly a criminal sample, and partly a general population sample.

I’ll have to respond to this later… I’m going to have to read the original article, and then the response, and judge the validity of both. I honestly might not get around to it, and if so I’m sorry. Again, I just don’t have a lot of free time.

you cannot compare convictions to the term because its simply expression of negative actions not including even the positives. ignoring the positives because you disagree with them does not make your argument valid it makes you delusional and guess what 90% of western civilization is delusional in that regard to the importance of self beliefs mostly by religious nuts or people who have no idea as to what they are talking about. most of the info here is not based on current studies but by assumptions made by dumb ignorant people that just got repeated and repeated and repeated. only recent study was the verification that its a sexuality to be precise chronosexual interest in a specific age group. just like a kink this also exists.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Great you can copy and paste scripture that is 1900 years old, obscure and irrelevant in the 21st century. What about all of those catholic priests that entered the priesthood to hide their homosexuality or the priests that sexually molested alter boys ? Does your god / devil have a hot place in hell awaiting them or do they mereley need confess their sins and all is copacetic ?

When I was 12, I only liked girls 8 and younger. I’ve always preferred AT LEAST 4 years younger. Now, I do have some attraction to adults, but it is pretty minimal. I still strongly prefer young girls. Pedosexuality is developed to the same degree that homosexuality is – NOT AT ALL.

When I was 12, I only liked girls 8 and younger. I’ve always preferred AT LEAST 4 years younger. Now, I do have some attraction to adults, but it is pretty minimal. I still strongly prefer young girls. Pedosexuality is developed to the same degree that homosexuality is – NOT AT ALL.”

Thanks for your response, Bob.

You’ve misunderstood my initial post. I’m somewhat tired right now, so I’ll keep this brief–basically, with heterosexuality and homosexuality, there are non-sexual indications when a child is below the age of puberty. At 12 years of age you would have been going through puberty.

That said, I don’t know enough about your personal history to adequately comment on how or why you were attracted to 8 year old girls at that age, and why this attraction continues. I don’t want to offend you by questioning your perspective of your own life, but this isn’t really empirical evidence, it’s an anecdote.

Think of it like the difference between clear, multiple CCTV camera recordings, and eye-witness testimony. The former is fairly objective, and the latter is extremely unreliable and subjective.

“Enjoyment. To a point, children can derive pleasure–however, I would define this as ‘sensual’ pleasure, not ‘sexual’. Sexuality is more than just physical sensation–for pleasure to be sexual, emotional and mental sexuality must be fully mature. This is why we describe children as ‘innocent’–they may derive self-pleasure, but it is wholly on a simple, physical level.”

You strike me as the kind of person who insists that people should wait to have sex until marriage, because anything less would be uncivilized. I started masturbating at around age 10, and lost my virginity shortly after I turned 13, to a 12yo. (I would’ve done it sooner if I’d had the opportunity.) She was not a virgin herself, and I didn’t get the impression that she hated the sex :P But, as you aluded to, I was curiously experimenting at around age 4-5 to a girl around the same age. Left to our own devices, we probably would’ve figured things out on our own.

Now, if I had been 25 instead of 13 when I had sex with the 12yo, are you saying that, after she had consensual sex with me (by that I mean that she actually initiated it, which is basically what happened), she would suddenly wake up one day with horrible flashbacks and PTSD? Does that just magically happen after a certain age, or does it only happen AFTER people like you tell them how horrible the act was?

I’ve noticed that some homosexuals go through the same trauma, because narrow-minded people tell them that gay sex, which they enjoy, is not specifically endorsed by the Invisible Man. Note: I’m not saying that casual sex is better than emotional sex, but as a 40-something yo, I can say definitively that it’s better than using my hand. Since I had casual sex first and emotional sex later, I don’t think it cheapened the experience at all, just as eating a ham sandwich doesn’t spoil your first 4-star meal.

Note: I’m not advocating the wholesale legalization of adult/child sex, just that I don’t jump to the conclusion that all such encounters are automatically child victimization. (Or at least, not in a perfect world anyway.)

you sir, need to be put down. And the other part, speaking as some king of authoritive figure when you’re a child yourself. Someone put this animal down! I was sexually abused by an adult in a position of authority and I can tell you no good comes from it and to be honest, it took decades to realize how much that abomination hurt me and others, including one who hung himself. So OP, fuck you. You are worthless and NEED to be killed. Period. So please please do the world a favour and shoot yourself or jump off a bridge. Something you rabid animal…

I have every sympathy with your rage and pain and at a gut level I share your disgust with any kind of pedophilia but “An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind”. Dehumanization is never the way to go.

“…have sex with children and want to lead a good life. Please. We are people, too…

the hell you are. you are not human, you do not deserve to live, nor do you deserve to have money spent to imprision you. You are not human and not worth anything to anyone. You’re the worst of the worst and I’d kill you myself if you were not such a coward. Peace you child rapist!

Yeah you’re really smarter than me when you call me a “child rapist” when I explicitly said that I have NEVER done anything sexual to any child and I never will.

If anyone needs to be killed, it’s people like you. You spread hate. You hate innocent people. Yeah, child rapists are fucking disgusting scums.

But you’re a scum too. You’re the same as your abuser. Do you know why? You both want to harm innocent people.
So, this is a nice paradox – you’re more similar to your abuser than I am to him. Congratulations.

If you say to me that I need to be killed (when I haven’t done anything wrong or illegal), I don’t even feel sorry that you were abused.

The irony of your disgusting violent comments is that you don’t really care about children. Seventy years ago you would be making the same comments about homosexuals. You are just a violent and sick individual.

1. Pedosexuality is much like homosexuality. It’s something that people are born with and there’s nothing they can do to change it.

2. People are born as pedophiles. Children themselves and be pedophiles. I was a pedophile as a child. When I was 12, girls my own age were already too old for me.

3. Just as not all homosexuals are rapists, not all pedosexuals are rapists. Some homosexuals are rapists and some pedosexuals are rapists.

4. Children enjoy sexual activity – whether it be masturbation, oral sex with a friend, or consentual sex with a relative. I know this from the literally thousands of child porn videos I have watched where children are smiling, laughing, and cheerful. It is not shameful to them until the same is imposed upon them by society telling them they were a victim of something horrible.

5. There is a big difference between nonconsentual and consentual child sexual activity. Just as there is a big difference between adult nonconsentual/consentual sexual activity. There’s nothing inherently harmful with consentual activity in either case. Would you agree that child can agree to have oral sex with another child of the same age? Let me tell you, it happens all the time! If it’s not forced on them, the age of the other party doesn’t make any difference.

6. Calling a pedosexual names such as “scum” will not cause a pedosexual to lose the sexual attraction they were born with any more than calling a homosexual names will cause them to somehow become heterosexual.

7. Child porn most likely grealty reduces the rate of sexual violence against children. There are many thousands of exclusive pedophiles who have no sexual outlet except from online videos and images. If you take this away, what will they do? IMO, the rate of nonconsentual sexual activity would increase.

8. The idea that children are victimized over again every time an image or video is viewed is just fucking stupid.

9. Why the fuck is computer generated child porn illegal? This is literally trying to impose penalties for the THOUGHT CRIME of finding children sexually attractive.

Now I shall address the topic.. PAYING for child porn is highly likely to lead to nonconsentual sexual activity with children, AKA child SEXUAL ABUSE and thus, IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. Most likely though, this .onion is an ugly scam or a honey pot.

Bob, do you seek counselling to help you abstain? Would you be scared to if you thought you couldn’t trust your therapist to keep thier side of the theraputic contract? Do you have regular friends that you can trust with your secret?

I do hear your pain that you are “created flawed and commanded to be whole” – glad it isn’t me having to go through that. I cant imagine what it must be like.

I have spoken to guys who have done jail and have to pluck up the courage to tell thier neighbors. In Australia it isn’t mandatory, but it is still the smart thing to do especially in small communities. “I wanted you to hear it from me first” kinda thing. Man that would take some guts! That way at least they have a chance someone might stand up to the baying mob in case word gets out. You would like to think your neighbor would apreciate your honesty and courage – “Hate the Sin and Love the Sinner” so to speak. Ultimately there has to be a place for forgiveness.

You pedos are delusional, liars and subhuman. Everyone knows that you all want to: killing women over 20, you brutally rape and torture kids, buy, sell and trade kids, and don’t know how to interact with healthy adults. I recommend that you and your buddies commit suicide. The world will be a better place without you all.

“5. There is a big difference between nonconsentual and consentual child sexual activity. Just as there is a big difference between adult nonconsentual/consentual sexual activity. There’s nothing inherently harmful with consentual activity in either case. Would you agree that child can agree to have oral sex with another child of the same age? Let me tell you, it happens all the time! If it’s not forced on them, the age of the other party doesn’t make any difference.”

Yes, but their age does. Children are CHILDREN for Christ’s sake. We differentiate between children and adults in many things, for many reasons. But we should not differentiate between children and adults when it comes to sex because you are attracted to them? Think about it. What is really wrong here?

I had to add this;

“1. Pedosexuality is much like homosexuality. It’s something that people are born with and there’s nothing they can do to change it.”

People change their desires and attractions all the time. Some things change without is choosing or even thinking about it, other things we change by choice. People can quit smoking by choice, how is this so different? It’s saying, I like this but I don’t want to like it anymore. Why is this so different when it comes to sex? Oh, it’s good to me because that’s how I was born…please. That is an attempt at arguing it is good because it is natural. Death is natural, that doesn’t make it a good thing for us. This, like the same argument for homosexuality, does not work for me.

What kid of sick idiotic fucks are you? Kids do not have the mental or moral strength to make their own decisions so you are manipulating them and raping them. Do it with a grown up who consents. I have seen sick fucks across all cultures going after kids because they are weak and can’t defend or choose for themselves. I was abused as a kid by my teachers in school in a so called third world country. And I didn’t even know at that time that I was being abused. But, you will only know it when you realize that your innocence has been taken away from you. It took me 10 years to get over it and now that I have my own kid will do anything and everything to prevent it happening to him. By God’s grace or whatever both those fucks are now dead. So, wake up and stop taking the precious innocence that defines a kid’s childhood. Yes, in the olden days people used to get married @ 13 or give birth @ 14. But, times have changed with the change in our social structures and norms. You have to adapt but not prey on the helpless kids.

It’s tough to know what to do with offenders. I dont think jails are the best place for low level offenders. Jails should be reserved for offenders who need to be segregated from the community. Commuinty work would prevent them from accossiating en masse, with those worse than them and reamining in the commuinty would expose them to the norms and attitudes of the main stream. The worst outcome would be for a peadophile to be hounded and harrassed into a breakdown where they may not be able to maintain the discipline not to act out. As to the argument that CGI CP would provide a release for those afflicted to help them stay chaste; a tough argument to counter. I think in Texas CP will get you 20 years per image. That cant be rational.

The reality when it comes to sentencing is that more percieved leniance will start to lead to vigilantism. The sex offender category that really needs punishing at this time is the woman (generally) who plays the false rape card as a means of mischief. They generally face no sanction at all.

You should be executed for having such a perverted mind that you think a loving, fun, consensual, pleasurable experience is rape. Hell I’ll blow your brains out for you. Which caliber you want to die by? I have plenty.

I hear all your arguments, but I’m going to go with my instincts on this one. It’s entirely possible the disdain and hate the general populous feels towards pedophiles is an evolutionary safeguard against the mishap of genetics that is pedophilia in much the same way most people are wary of sociopaths. Pedophiles and sociopaths most likely have been detrimental to the tribe’s success, so we hold such disregard towards them and make pariahs out of them.

Our instincts to fear you is just nature’s way of ensuring that we stay safe. It doesn’t matter that you were born this way. Social dynamics is also a natural means to regulate the gene pool. Competing male lions commit infanticide; equally, pedophiles are persecuted.

There’s no such thing as morality: morality is nothing more than a conceptualization of one’s instinctual feelings that are the byproduct of evolution. There’s nothing bad or good about hating pedophiles, it’s just the way it is.

Not a paedo, but one of the paedo allies. Thanks for listening. More than I can say for many others.

“It’s entirely possible the disdain and hate the general populous feels towards pedophiles is an evolutionary safeguard against the mishap of genetics that is pedophilia in much the same way most people are wary of sociopaths. ”

Oh but massive amounts of anthropological evidence contradicts this. As well as ancient Greek history. There is no instinct against paedosexuals. It is a relatively recent phenomenon. Ages of consent went as low as 8 in America in the 1800s. The history and research doesn’t match up to this view. Combine this with the fact that much of the hate against pedosexuals mimics that of the past hate of homosexuals.

“Pedophiles and sociopaths most likely have been detrimental to the tribe’s success, so we hold such disregard towards them and make pariahs out of them.”

How so? Sociopaths killed without a care for their own gain. Paedosexuals have sexual attraction to children, which includes romantic and emotional attraction (like the other attractions). If anything, you could look at it the opposite way. Since death rates were high, children would often be orphaned. Paedosexuals were the only ones willing to waste resources keeping alive non-genetic offspring. Obviously I am making this up on the fly, but it is much more valid than saying they threaten the tribe.

“Our instincts to fear you is just nature’s way of ensuring that we stay safe. It doesn’t matter that you were born this way. Social dynamics is also a natural means to regulate the gene pool. Competing male lions commit infanticide; equally, pedophiles are persecuted. ”

Staying safe from what? You are riding on an assumption and not explaining it. Other than comparing it to killing which is terribly wrong.

“morality is nothing more than a conceptualization of one’s instinctual feelings that are the byproduct of evolution. There’s nothing bad or good about hating pedophiles, it’s just the way it is.”

“Paedosexuals have sexual attraction to children, which includes romantic and emotional attraction (like the other attractions). If anything, you could look at it the opposite way. Since death rates were high, children would often be orphaned. Paedosexuals were the only ones willing to waste resources keeping alive non-genetic offspring. Obviously I am making this up on the fly, but it is much more valid than saying they threaten the tribe.”

So if paedosexuals care so much about children, how many paedosexuals continue that same relationship with the child after the child has grown into an adult?

And, if you consider the probable answer to that question, perhaps this might point to the reason being that they are attracted to something about that person and not actually the person.

So, to conclude, valuing something about a person is not the same as valuing a person.

I think the reporter has just been trolled the fuck out off.
Clearly the copy on the listing is a joke and the “dark” source you have must be laughing non stop he trolled the reporter and the readers. It’s almost like a 4chan type of joke.

I first want to thank all of those who have attempted to constructively contribute their perspectives. Despite the blow back, it takes courage to come forward and give others your opinion.

My Grandmother was 16 when she married my 26 year old Grandfather. They had their first child when she was 17 (he was 27) and her second child at age 19 (he was 29). That was in 1948 and they were married for over 50 years before they passed away. Again, that was 1948. If that relationship had happened today, my Grandfather would probably be in jail and I would never had been born. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that “May-December” relationships were not uncommon and still exist today.

In regards to the topic of intimacy with children:In my opinion, I think the age of the child has some bearing. if, for example, you’re a 35 year old man and find a 15 year old girl attractive, thats not altogether unusual. If however you’re a 35 yr old man and find a 5 year old attractive, thats a different story I think. The issue I keep reading about is the age of consent or understanding of the child. Children know what pleasure is and would like to have it however they can get it. Can that child both consent, process and understand that a grown (wo)man is touching them in a sexual way to give them pleasure? Can/Do they understand that it is intimacy that is giving them pleasure? Can/do they know what intimacy is and what it means? Does intimacy mean anything or is it just something done for pleasure?

In a world where everyone were allowed to love anyone in anyway they wanted to, then this conversation wouldnt be taking place. But most countries (if not all) in the world have publically labeled and criminalized such actions as child abuse.

I can’t read this and not feel some type of anger towards the people that are condoning and rationalizing these sick people’s thoughts and actions!!! Its not fair in one bit to compare homosexuality to pedophilia. just to say “oh I was born this way” is complete crap. Im not outraged to the extent of going onto the streets and playing vigilante but come on, you guys (pedos) obsess over the only innocents in our society and y’all don’t see a problem with that? I’ve dated a girl who was sexually exploited by a family friend at a young age and she was never the same… Sadly she killed herself over the guilt a year ago. She always blamed herself for something she had no control over and she was only 7 at the time of the incident.. No child under the age of 16 can consent to anything sexual and in almost every jurisdiction in N. America has that age ( minus a year in a few states and in some parts of CN)… This truly sounds like an angry rant and in some ways it is… But in the end society’s view of pedos will never change but we’re the “sick” hate mongers though? Y’all (not all) abuse the trust of children and then rob them of their innocence for your own sexual gratification. What type of shit is this when pedophiles feel persecuted for activities that destroys children…

The gruesome images of crying, raped and even tortured children do not come from commercial producers because there is no multi million dollar Hollywood studio producing it. These horrific images come not from third parties but from bestial fathers and mothers of the children who do this to them. The majority are fathers with incestuous tendencies who meet other fathers in forums and chats.

One of the most fascinating and insidious aspects of Child Pornogreaphy (CP) is the public angst and fanfare concerning it. Even though CP story commentators have never seen the images in question they project their hubris and antipathy never the less. They are led to believe the media stories are posited as fact even though the media has never seen the images either. These sensationalist media reports are the “Gothic Melodramas” Law Enforcement spout at news gatherings stimulates and develops curiosity. Law Enforcement has learned from the social sciences on how to cultivate that curiosity which make their, “Child Pornography pull marketing” work and that is what is accounting for all the child pornography arrests. Each media presentation tends to whip the public into a frenzy, win political votes and stimulate curiosity; combined with a computer bogeyman this process can be abused to achieve various objectives; However it is not acceptable to tackle these issue without facts when a person can be sent to PRISON.

When a politician finally gets the guts to tackle CP with a Congressional hearing that doesn’t consist of those in academia that have financial stake in the outcome there will be hell to pay. Those same academics are also skillful at making what they say and write believable; even though what the say and write do not check out in terms of FACTS or REALITY. Along with their proponents they are cloistered in universities and have been infecting those who are in positions of power, and prestige; their toxin has filtered down into society itself. The terrifying power of their fanatical ideologies have stealthily spread outward from their psychotic evil enclaves to where they become the malleus maleficarum within the mind and within culture; whose angst and antipathy is amplified in the media using, “the children” as their banner. When some politician finally gets the nerve and tackles CP it will be found to be a moot point and one of the biggest abuses of legislative power of all time.

I hope all the sick pedos get arrested and thrown in jail. These perverts spend so much time online talking to other perverts thus become unnaware that they are disgusting and poor excuses for human beings. This us not the deep web where people support your sickness. Also all you pedos/genes are scum quit trying to call us (the adults attracted and pursue romantic relationship with other adults) “scum”. No healthy adults want kids. I know your deep web friends tell you that you a great person and you are doing nothing wrong, however all of them are sickos too. You perverts as also delusional to compare yourselves to gays or any other group. You sickness will never be supported (at least in a progress, great country). Also because ithappen

Just because it happened in past doesn’t make it right. So women should not vote and Blacks should be slaves because of history???

Some of you claim that young girls can look like adults. Yet what you perverts Don’t get is that a child is still a child despite body and “maturity” (despite the fact one’s brain does not fully developed until 25 last part is decision making prefrontal cortex). If like “maturity and women’s bodies then there plenty of adult women that fit that.

These are so delusional comparing their struggles to actual people marginalized in society for superficial reasons. They think they “care ” about kids because they say they love them or that they pay them. I thinking they must come from dysfunctional homes to think that the way they view children (as sex objects to use for their pleasure rather than human beings that deserves to be kids).

I hope nobody trust these perverts with their kids. I honestly hope one day these kinds of minds are eliminated from society.

CP is always harmful to kids, adults have all the power, young kids are easily impressionable and are unable to give content. The point if pedophiles/hebehile is they the adult abusing children because they are sick and unable to connect with adults.

Also the best time for a woman to have kids is in her 20’s not as a teenager.

We as responsible citizens have to stop these monsters. Look at how delusional they are they think that they are not causing harm. Trust their unhealthy sexual desires will get worst. They will want to marry kids and divorce them when they become adults, they want to torture, beat, and kill kids. They will try to get adult women pregnant so they can fulfill their sexual fantasies of raping their own kids. They will basically try to get rid of women who are over 18 because they think that as an adult make they believe they supposed to abuse kids. I’m glad people in comment expla ned why these people are sick. They spend so much time on the deep web they have lost any conscience for humanity. They want to exploit the most innocent for their selfish desir es. These people will ruin societies if not stopped.

You pedos/hebes must realize that healthy adults will never support. If fact there have been been adults who caught perverts in the act and killed them. Of course y’all will think that is wrong but a healthy will never support any of you. In fact people would have no problem killing those of you who abuse kids. A healthy society protects kids not give to people like you so you can destroy their innocence. Death is too good for you delusional, pathetic, disgusting, doltish, predators.

Nasty pedos. I am a social worker and I have seen things that disturb me deeply. You all are not human and thus do not deserve humanity. Your kind abuses and discards innocent children. Do the world a favor and kill yourself now. We do not need your kind on earth. Do not ever think you deserve to be alive for a second. You all are worthless trash, the audacity of you disgusting shitheads thinking you are helping kids. You don’t even pay attention to them after you are done abusing them let alone actually witness how sexual abuse destroys a human being. You sick fucks should go on the deep web and look for poison to consume. The only thing you monsters can do that is good is to commit suicide. I celebrate when your kind is killed because that is one less sexual predator out there and children can have a chance to grow up without having to suffer through sexual abuse. I hope the FBI decides to not only destroy your nasty website but to kill all of the viewers and creators of it too.

No one deserves to be alive, we simply are or are not. Start with that.

And if that didn’t stop you in your tracks and make you rethink some of your convictions, who are you to think you have the right to judge whether a person should be or not? God? Don’t even start me on that one.

Can’t we deal with a recognized psychological aberrant condition in a more positive and productive way than this?

“We are talking about sexual interaction between a child and an adult, right?”

Yes.

“My point is that a child is incapable of giving informed consent–it is not akin to, say, a naive adult consenting to something and later regretting it.”

This is true for anything a child does. Yet as I said before we choose to only ban sexual contact for no logical reason other than social norms based on sex negative puritanical roots.

“As you seem to agree in your previous post, a child is psychologically, sexually and physically immature. ”

Yes of course.

“This makes it impossible for a child to give informed consent to something as serious as a sexual interaction with a sexually, psychologically and physically mature adult.”

Wrong. This makes it so we should, as we do with anything else, guide and make sure the child is safe and watch over them as they make decisions and intervene when needed. Sexual interaction being considered “serious” is a social norm that is nonsensical and very subjective.

“It doesn’t matter what social attitudes are.”

Yes it absolutely does.

“Social attitudes come into play when a mature person decides to have sex–hence the difference between paedophilia and homosexuality.”

Social attitudes come into play generally when child becomes more socially aware around the ages of 6-8. However it can happen later. Which is why many kids never “report” consensual sexual activity until they are socialized to view it as abuse instead of what it really was to them originally.

“As I said earlier, I’m not saying that social attitudes don’t create difficulties for a child to deal with such an experience. However, social attitudes and upbringing simply don’t factor into the central point: a child is incapable of giving informed consent.”

As I stated before they can’t give informed consent to anything. Thus this is not valid point. When conducting research on children, the ethical standards state that children can’t give informed consent. However, instead of being irrational and saying that children can never take part, they obtain assent from the child and informed consent from the child’s guardians. The same should happen for sexual interactions.

“If you’re saying that a child has the maturity required to give consent, then we differ on a crucial point and there’s no reason in arguing it. It would be as pointless as an argument over whether an object is a chair or a table.”

Some children may, depending on the individual child and on their age. However many do not. What we do differ on is how big of a deal sexual contact is and whether we should accept their consent or not as legitimate and if not if the parents should be allowed to provide informed consent to the child’s assent.

“I think that a child cannot consent to sexual interaction with an adult; before the onset of puberty, a child cannot consent to *any* sexual interaction with anyone.”

Are you claiming that children can’t even consent to sexual interactions with peers?

“There is absolutely no situation in which a child can give informed consent to sexual interaction with an adult.”

I read that as: There is no situation in which a child can give informed consent to any interaction with an adult. Regardless, I disagree with your drastic generalized opinion. It is factually incorrect. There are situations, numerous ones, where a 8, 9, 10, 11, etc. year old child can give informed consent to certain sexual interactions depending on their upbringing, education, and of course own genetics.

“I’m not saying we should ban children from interacting with adults; society cannot function if we do that. I am saying we should continue banning *sexual* interaction with adults.”

For no reason other than your own moral belief system then. You betray your argument when you try to separate sexual interactions from all other interactions on the basis of your beliefs and say it should be legally enforced because of what you believe in.

“I understand the point you’re trying to make. The problem is that this isn’t akin to changing social perspectives about, say, the corporal punishment of children… or even homosexuality.”

The amazing thing here is you are going to go on to poorly rationalize why a mutually pleasurable consented experience is bad but hitting a child non-consensually to cause pain is more tolerable. Fucking insane.

“The harm caused by child sexual victimisation is a direct result of the sexual, physical and psychological immaturity of the child.”

No. You made this up in your head. This is factually incorrect and I challenge you to provide a study showing otherwise.

“Sex is a deeply powerful, deeply emotional force–the primal force of nature, if you want to get lyrical about it.”

This is an individual opinion of yours driven by your upbringing, social environment, and well, your own opinion. The desire for sexual contact is a strong urge but so is the urge to eat.

“There’s so much more to sex than mere physical sensuality.”

Subjective, social, etc. etc.

“It’s dangerous to play around even for adults, but for someone who doesn’t have that sexual and psychological maturity?’

This is for adults who apply mysticism and view it as such. This is, yet again, your opinion. Not based in any kind of fact.

“How exactly can children even understand the multifaceted dimensions of sex, let alone give informed consent to it? ”

The problem here is you view your subjective opinion on sexual contact as based in biology or something.

“How can they cope with an inherent power imbalance in a sexual interaction with a sexually and psychologically mature adult?”

This goes back to what I said before. Anything a child does with an adult involves a power imbalance that may or MAY NOT be used by the adult. Again, guardian supervision easily alleviates any risk anyway.

“Yes, of course. They can’t give consent, they aren’t mature enough. I admit this is sometime to their detriment that parents have control of their children, but in the majority of the time this is a good thing.”

This is the most ridiculous, controlling, and power abusing argument ever. You are telling the child “we don’t care what you think, you better get in line with what we think”. And yet again this means children can consent to nothing and your argument has still not gotten off the ground because now you have to prove sex is somehow different than other interactions and as of yet you have failed to do so.

“These examples can’t actually compare to sexual consent. Well, maybe the subway example because that could actually be dangerous; but regardless, the comparison is flawed. Take the cursing example–this is child rearing, not child safety. There isn’t a particular risk of harm to the child, and an even unlikelier risk of long-term harm.”

As with sexual contact those risks are not inherent. Harm in consensual cases is completely iatrogenic and sociogenic. If you took a kid who cursed with an adult they loved, arrested the adult and threw them in jail, then sent the kid to therapy because of the cursing in a society that insanely condemns kids cursing and adults teaching kids to curse then you would get your harm and long-term harm.

“So what? Historical evidence of child-adult sexual interaction? Again, so what? Just because some tribes and cultures do/have done something doesn’t make it safe, or not harmful.”

Simply evidence that it has existed in human history and when you study those actual tribes the children (and adults) suffered no ill side effects that are prevalent in our culture. I understand that you want to dismiss evidence that contradicts the foundations of your world view with a wave of the hand and a “so what?” but anyone who views our debate from an objective standard can see who is losing ground and has been since the beginning.

“I don’t understand what you’re referring to here… are you talking about child exploitation material?”

There you go again, using biased words. This time to paint thousands of pictures and videos that you and I have never seen under one category. Have you ever asked anyone what those pictures and videos contain? Have you ever sought out an opinion from other than police/media? No of course not. I have. Paedosexuals have told me as well as reading research. “Harmful to Minors” talks about child porn. Paedosexuals have told me that while there is actual exploitation, most of it is either self-made with webcams or modelling or consensual. Meaning kids giggling, laughing, smiling, actively taking part in the sexual interaction while having fun. Wake up.

“Which government? There’s no such ban I’m aware of where I live, although obviously there are research ethics to pass.”

This literally shows you have done nearly zero unbiased research. Here is the link: wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

“It’s a result of actual research, not a term that arises without research. My using it helps to ensure that the inherent harm in child sexual victimisation is conveyed.”

As I have shown, it is not the result of research and it is meant only to sway opinion emotionally. There is no inherent harm and you have yet to show this.

“Actually I am a strident critic of bad research–I was horrified, for example, at the assumptions and faulty methodology of the Butner Study–even the redux version. Especially the redux version. If the results of the Butner Study was accurate then it would make my life a *lot* easier; however I’ve criticised it both academically and professionally. It’s as faulty as the claim that the child exploitation material industry was worth $20 billion–that’s ridiculous. A more reasonable estimate is available from the UN, but I can’t remember offhand what it was–certainly not anywhere near $20 billion.

However, as I’ve previously stated, even factoring in terrible research like these examples, the reliable research still points to child sexual victimisation being harmful.”

You see, those were easy to criticize because it did not cause you to change your fundamental belief system.

Regardless most research is pretty sound, however they draw absolutely incorrect conclusions. The research shows that forcing children to partake in sexual activity is bad. Problem is you and many researchers think this has external validity to all sexual contact when it doesn’t. It’s like doing research on physical abuse then assuming all instances of rough housing with a child is inherently harmful. Consensual or not.

“If I have time I’ll look into this further, however I’ve responded to why this is.”

Please do look into it. You will find nothing. I am correct I would bet my life on this and I am not even a paedosexual.

“But you agreed (to an extent) that the Rind study was flawed. As I stated previously, I haven’t come across any of these studies that are reputable pieces of research.”

Flawed, but the best that is allowed given the current social environment.

“I indicated a meta analysis earlier that points to the harms caused by child sexual victimisation, but your request is flawed: there can be no consensual sexual contact between a child and an adult, because a child cannot give informed consent.”

I’ve addressed this 100 times. Your meta analysis is great for showing that no one should force themselves on children sexually and that is it. The rest is your opinion and an excuse to try and say your incorrect conclusion must be correct. It’s insane that you just say “they can’t consent” merely because it throws a wrench in your whole belief system and argument.

“I’m not sure how else to put it, particularly as you’ve partly agreed with me. You cannot research phenomena that does not exist.”

You are really digging yourself into a grave. The phenomena that children consent to pleasurable sexual activity does not exist. Insane.

“how can children, who are not sexually, physically or psychologically mature, give informed consent to sex with an adult?”

You have yet to answer how sexual contact that is consented and pleasurable is inherently harmful. Instead of answering this you deflect and say “kids can’t consent” but there is no logic behind this because clearly kids can.
Kid: “want to see my vagina?”
Pedo: “sure”
Kid: “want to touch it?”
Pedo: “okay”
Kid: “that feels good keep doing it”
Etc. etc. etc. etc.
What is that? Is that abuse? That is the most common type of “molestation”. Mutual consented touching/rubbing.

“Childhood masturbation is a sexual act, however it is not a sexual interaction with another person. It does not contain the psychological and physical impact that sex has.”

Are you comparing penetrative sex to masturbation? More dishonesty from you. It would be logical to compare masturbation to mutual masturbation with a partner and no, there is no different psychological impact.

“Sexual exploration with peers (past the onset of puberty) isn’t necessarily *healthy* and can lead to harm, especially where pregnancy is concerned. However, sexual exploration between children on an equal footing will be less harmful than sexual interaction with a sexually mature adult. To give one example, sexual exploration between early-adolescent peers does not usually extend to sexual intercourse–this is more of a factor when there is an age imbalance.

To put the latter in another way, it’s not always safe and healthy, but sexual interaction between a child and an adult is never safe or healthy.”

Do you know your opinion on peer relations is not the commonly held opinion. At all?

I see your agenda. It is religious. Took me way too long to notice it but you came from a point of attempting to be scientific. I don’t have the patience anymore to respond to your poor rationalizations.

If you want to respond, provide me with research showing sexual stimulation (whether by themselves or with a partner) being innately harmful in and of itself to a prepubescent child.

Disgusting pedos…this is why nobody sees you as human and wants you dead. All the parents I know would literally kill you if you tried to rape their kids. Stop trying to make your subhuman urges acceptable they are not. A few things then I am not going to respond and hope the police arrest your delusional, baby rapist ass.

1) Masturabtion is a person touching themselves. This is not the same as another person touching you. Learn the difference. One is self-exploration the other is a deranged adult forcing their sexual desires on children.

2) It is clear that you are a male with an immature and simple mind and thus do not understand the anatomy of little girls. Little girls cannot hand adult body parts and should not have to. You clearly do not care that you will cause them pain, cause them to bleed, have vaginal tearing, and other issues with their reproductive organs.

3) I know pedos are simple-mined so let me explain this. Even in the case of a child offering sexual contact you refuse it. If you are truly a human adult with a healthy brain this would be easy. A a woman I have had boys trying to initiate sex with me. I simply refuse.

4) Why are you so scared of adult women? Adult women want to have sex and you can even find adult women that are young looking, petite, small breast etc. There is no excuse to rape little girls

5) Child porn is harmful, to pedos it is not because they do not view children as human beings but hyperseuxal objects for their disgusting pleasure. Also who cares what pedos think when it ones to child porn, they aren’t human and have no morals or sense of humanity. Let ask the people who were forced to participate in them. I know someone in law enforcement and and kids in child porn are tormented by the CP. They say they had no idea what was going on, they are ashamed, they are disgusted, wish it never happened, etc. When pedos talk about CP they only mention what is seen on camera but not what happens before or after. Then again pedos have no concern for the kids. The producer could have only done one film for raping the kids or they might have done a lot and them just kill and discard them. Pedos are really considered about what happens before or after because that destroys their delusions of “not wanting kids to hurt”. Also kids in Cp have been mutilated and murdered after the film, but because it does not happen during pedos pretend like CP makers, watchers, etc are not harming the child.

6) Funny how pedos who love their CP ignore the CP where children are being abused, killed, mutitlated, crying, in pain, etc. If is clear that pedos do not care about kids or else they would actually report the “bad child porn”. However I sure you and other pedos secretly enjoy tortured and murdered children and thus do nothing to stop it. If you pedos “cared about kids” you would get the violent pedos in trouble. Since pedos look out for each other you look the other way.

7) Did you know the brain does not fully developed until one is 25. The last part being the prefrontal cortex which is related to decision making. Look at it this way kids have legal guardians,

8) Do you consider what the parents have to say? Do you know that kids have legal guardians? So no matter how mature a child is that doesn’t mean they can vote, live on their own, pay taxes etc.

9) Pedos always claim “emotions” and ignore studies dealing with how childhood sexual abuse can cripple teens and adults. Have you considered talking to a child psychologist, pediatrician, child- neuro-scientist, basically anyone who studies children? Pedos seem to only focus on the one or two studies that show that raping children is okay and ignore 99% of studies that show why children should not have adults raping them.

10) Another thing pedos are delusional about is not understanding the difference between peers engaging in sex and adult raping kids. No matter the circumstances child-adult relationships (sexual or not) the adult always has the upper hand. With 2 peers the likelihood is that they are closer and on the same level. The bigger the age difference the more of a upper hand the adults have. Adults can manipulate kids, have more resources and have more knowledge and experience with sex. I sure you would not be able to comprehend this but if you listen to adults who were raped as kids, many will say that the pedo said not to tell anyone, it is their secret, making false threats like, “if you tell mommy and daddy will die”, etc. It is much harder for a 15yr to get a 14yr to believe it. Pedos must be extremely underdeveloped in the brain to think that adults and child have the same brains and that children can make serious decisions like adults.

Also pedos have delusional minds like your statement here:

“Sexual interaction being considered “serious” is a social norm that is nonsensical and very subjective”

An adult man who does not know the female reproductive system. So I guess you do not think the following is serious:
pregnancy (a girl as young as 5 has been pregnancy, additionally doctors say preteens have high risk pregnancies like teenagers. The best time for a woman to have kids is in her 20’s her body is fully matured)

STIs/STDs, needed pap smears when one becomes sexually active, Men can be carriers of HPV and sense there is not way to test it on men, they can pass it to other women. HPV increases the risk of cervical cancer which is more deadly that cancer. Additionally STDs/STIs can cause serious complications.

Vaginal tearing (which can be caused my fingers alone but pedos cannot comprehend the idea of child being in pain or abused) and if that vaginal tearing is not properly treated it can become infected. Adult women who have consensual sex with their partner can have vaginal tearing even without noticeable pain. However adult women are much more knowledgeable of their bodies. (even though pedos seem to reduce women to having the same brains as 4 year old girls)

birth control is needed so the girl does not get pregnant. Even if the rape did not include penetration, if semen was produced and the girl put it inside of her she can get pregnant. Semen can also live in the vagina for a few days and wait for an egg to drop (if one does).

Getting the HPV shot before sexual activity or else if one gets one of the deadly types of HPV they are at higher risk for cervical cancer. However HPV shot has not been used on girls younger than 11.

Vaginal infections from improper cleaning regarding sexually intercourse. Little girls tend not to know how to keep their vaginal area clean like an adult woman. Then again little girls should not have to.

Bruising and marks on the cervix, additionally for underdeveloped females (aka girls) the cervix is closer to the vaginal opening compared to adult women. Thus much easier to cause serious issues.

Vaginal bleeding (which may not occur until much later after sex contact). This is usually a bad sign and one must keep an eye on it to make sure they are healthy and that they have not caught an infection.

Sore vagina (pap smears can cause this is as well as just fingers) However with underdelvoped vaginas this is much more likely to happen, even if the child says they aren’t in pain. As an adult women who had vagina soreness, it does not appear right away and can last for days.

Having to get checked for STDs/STIs on a regular basis, being treated for STDs/STIs, etc. Why would any human being want to create a world were little girls a have to get pelvic exams? Once again adult women and myself find them uncomfortable I cannot imagine subjecting little girls to this discomfort on a 6months-12 month basis. Why would anyone want kids to have to get checked and treated for STDs/STIs. Why put that extra stress on kids? Do not go into your pedo delusion thinking that Pedos never have STDs. I read new stories where adult men have given little girls and even a 18 month old girl HIV, herpes and other permanent STDs. Do you hate adult women that much you want to inflict pan unto little girls and disguise it as “morally acceptable?”.

Little girls do not know much if anything about their reproductive organs compared to adult women. Thus a pedo like you who also does not have knowledge will expose the little girl to many health risks. Sex is serious however in the mind of a delusional pedo they cannot come to terms with this because they want to pretend that adult women and little girls are the same in every way.

Talk to different gynecologists and learn why you a baby rapist should not be raping little girls.

Pedos say, think and feel some of the most disturbing things, and have no sense of responsibility and make poor excuses.

This is why your kind should be extinct. All 50 states should allow a morally good adult to kill a subhuman pedo if they are caught in the act of trying to or raping kids. Your kind gets too much mercy as it is….

Why not? Mind you, I’m talking about the urges, NOT the act. From reading the comments here, the pedos say they are attracted to only young children, and have been this way since they themselves were young children. In other words, they didn’t wake up one day and say to themselves, ‘Gee, I think I’ll be attracted to young children.’ So why should we pass judgment on people for desires they have absolutely no control over? I don’t get the impression that these people want to do harm to children (although I’m sure some of them might.)

‘Why are you so scared of adult women?’

Really? Do you ask gay men the same question – ‘why don’t you just like girls?’ Do you understand that these are urges that can’t be turned off? And if it was possible to ‘turn it off’ with an extensive amount of therapy, then why can’t homosexuals do the same? Put yourself in their shoes for just one minute and imagine that you had sexual desires that were considered absolutely intolerable by society, that you could never act on, and were told by your peers that you are a rapist, a monster and should be executed. How would that make you feel?

Am I saying we should allow sexual contact between adults and children? No, I am not going that far. Only thing I’m saying is that, just like with homosexuals, we should stop treating these people like pariahs (and I’m talking about the ones who DON’T act on their desires) just because their sexual desires are different from what is considered moral. If anything, there should be support groups for these people to help them deal with the fact that they will have to remain celibate for the rest of their lives. Or do you suggest we should just throw them all in prison or put them in front of a firing squad?

Hey, while im sure there are 1/50 kids above 10yrs who actually enjoys and are mature enough for sexual activities theres a reason pedos are considered scum by 95% of the worlds population and it sure aint because history shows kids actually are mature enough for sex,nor that most grow up without psychological problems, ITS OBVIOUSLY THE OPPOSITE, AND ITS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM WILL NOT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED UNTIL AT A MUCH LATER POINT IN LIFE AND YOU CANT SEPARETE THE FEW WHO IS CAPABLE OF SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS FROM THE BIG MAJORITY WHO IS NOT, THATS WHY ALL PEDOS ARE WRONG.
and thats hard FACT, any denial of this is plain ignorance and justification in the lizard brains of twisted individuals that id happily would see drugged, raped and killed. argument all you want, you can never be right and society will never agrre with your twisted ideas, seek comfort in death, please.

to all men who support child pornography. you are all fuckin sick and if i ever see something like this happen and i get one of you bastard in my fingers i swear i let you suffer! it doesnt fucking matter if its “ok” for the child! if she is 16 ok why not if she want but you cannot really think that a child thats not even in puberty has the maturity to know if this this is good or not! you can tell anything to a child and it would believe you like “hey little fellow, suck my dick you get a ps4″… … if it says yes the it “wanted it” or then its ok?!!! i mean whats going on in your sick brains?! AT LEAST YOU SHOULD ADMIT TO YOURSELFES THAT YOU ARE SICK FUCKS THAT DESERVE TO DIE! AND ELECTRICAL CHAIR IS WAY TO GOOD FOR YOU!!!! even if you got fucked by your daddy its NO EXCUSE to do it yourself! i could give a shitload of examples but i think sadly you wont understand FUCK YOU!! and regards to all good people!

I don’t know if pfunding4oijqojf.onion was genuine or a honeypot. It failed because most pedophiles will not pay for child pornography. Certainly not when it is so readily available for free on many hidden services.

I’m going to be completely honest here. I am attracted to prepubescent girls. I’m a pedophile. BUT I WILL NEVER TOUCH ONE (OR EVEN WATCH CHILD PORN) BECAUSE IT WOULD LIKELY SCREW UP THAT CHILD’S LIFE. Nor have I ever touched one. What right does an adult have to a child’s body? And quit all this nonsense about how you are actually pleasing and satisfying the little kids. Let’s assume (incorrectly) for the moment that there are some kids out there who would willingly and knowingly choose a sexual relationship with an adult. How do you really know then that the child with which you are engaging in sexual acts is one of those who actually wants it and isn’t just being manipulated by you. My point is, even if these sexually advanced children did exist (and I don’t believe they do), you would still be taking quite a chance that your young “partner” is in that rare category. Even if you disagree with my hypothetical assessment, and you fellow pedos believe 90% of children are actually ready and able to consent to sex, you still are taking a chance that you don’t have one of the 10% who need to be manipulated into sex, even if you don’t realize it.

My point here is that, despite all your claims that you would only engage in sex with a “more mature for her age” child who was a willing participant, how do you know that deep down the child is truly ready? And also, didn’t you ever dive into some stupid activity when you were a child, only later to realize it was a huge mistake? Can’t you fellow pedos at least admit that you can’t be 100% certain that the child is willing and able and mature enough (not that I believe there is a single child under 12 who is mature enough to consent to sex with an adult)?

The whole pedo defense rests on the false premise that their victims (and any child sexual “partner” to an adult is a victim) are not being traumatized or hurt, but rather pleasured willingly. And while I’m sure it’s true that children are capable of obtaining some amount of pleasure through stimulation of certain areas, that, at most, is a very brief physical pleasure (if they even feel any hint of pleasure at all and not pain). The trauma inflicted by some trusted adult (perhaps a family member or neighbor) violating that child’s body and trust can last a lifetime. Even if at the time the child believed it was consensual, they can experience great mental trauma when they grow up and realize it was all a lie.

IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WILLPOWER. I didn’t ask to be attracted to young girls, but I am. But I won’t let the short-lived sating of my sexual hunger be the reason some girl’s life is forever ruined. Stealing all the future happiness of child’s life just to satisfy your baser urges is a true kind of evil.

You’ve spent a lot of time explaining your desires, you’ve taken the time to expose yourself (so to speak) which tells me that you don’t like who you are or what you want to do. Do you realize you have a disease and by admitting it you have taken, what we refer to in the Recovery world as the First Step. I am speaking up not because I support your honesty nor do I even vaguely understand or condone how you think but because I believe there is a modicome of hope for you. But *only* if you seek help. Please, get some help with your disease, not only will children be safer with you in the world but *you* may find a way of life less miserable than the one in which you hide and you might have a chance at a happy life – if- you seek psychiatric and other forms of help such as medication and a recovery program.

A child is not able to handle sex.
The body is not fully developed.
There are sexual energies and those cannot be taken without harm if you are to young.
Look at the pictures well not even that in my honest opinion. You should get help. Maybe hypnosia therapy helps them smokers too.
You cannot get what you want try advocating vampires with your short aimed “logic”.
What you cause is destruction and you will see what you have done for your-selves soon enough.

Let me understand LE priorities a bit better: The highest percentage of Silk Road (etc.) participants are consenting adults in search of medication (aka drugs). LE allocates resources w/a primary focuses on them as the worst of the worst criminals. However, provided that CP sites, from rapists and animal abusers (Crush) to murderers,are paying their trafficked children a fair wage as consenting children, of course, they are on the back burner of crimes to be investigated while LE goes after pot heads. Once again, US LE has its head up its ass. The war on drugs has been a well know publically colossal failure. The war on sex/slave traffickers has had a modicum of success, yet government resources are still being allocated in a much higher percentage against consenting drug users. Hey folks, this is your hard earned tax dollars at work.

Financial crimes (which, when all is said and done, drugs ultimately fall under) are the worst possible crime in the 21st century, even far above murder let alone child abuse.

Those who currently have capital want access to capital restricted to very specific channels, and access to wealth restricted to very specific interest groups, businesses and families.
Doesn’t matter if it’s in emerging economies like China or old capitalistic countries like the UK or USA.

A person or group which makes millions or hundreds of millions outside the system these cronies have set up are basically treated as committing high treason. In many countries, you don’t even have to deal drugs:
It’s enough that your business or good luck has led you to earn a ton of capital, but you are just a ‘regular’ person who doesn’t belong to the centuries-old club of cronies.

After that, the state will simply confiscate it, put you into prison or execute you. Point in case, modern Russia.
You cannot earn any significant wealth unless you belong to the right family that pays the right amount of kickbacks to the political system through the right channels, or you will be put into prison or killed.

I am not defending drugs, and my post is essentially not about drugs. My post also has little to do with the topic of this article.
I’m just explaining to you why in the current world anything that adds to the wealth of an anonymous, regular person is considered such a big threat and why such high prison sentences are handed out for financial crime compared to all other types of crime.

Capitalism encourages the random people with nothing to make something of themselves and become rich. What you just said is dumb. thousands of new businesses are started each day by poor people who are working to become rich you need but only formulate a plan and stick to it. I do defend drugs. If a company is allowed to sell something like cigarettes or alcohol damn right drugs should be allowed to be sold to not to mention even if you wanted to address the rising drug problem continuously throwing those people in cages where they cant do anything is not the way to go about it, that sounds like a fuckin 8th grader thought of that. and guns for that matter to. fuckin gun control. Do not confuse capitalism with some sort of caste system where it is impossible to move upwards. There are people at the top right now but the beauty of capitalism is that one with the know how and cleverness (which can all be cultivated by them by the way) can easily topple them or infiltrate their ranks or really whatever it is they wish.

Man, the stuff I learned that goes on on the deepweb ever since I joined Agora for a few treats. It has got me sick to my stomach. The animal abusers and child porn fucks, their names and addresses should be made public, if possible, by a expert hacker with the knowledge to do so.

Look. You guys are kinda narrow. Allow me to broaden your perspective. Is Pedophilia wrong? Yes. Its easy to take advantage of a child when you are much older and wiser than them and even though they are willing and may even enjoy it, it can lead to alot of psychological problems as the child develops and even if it does cause some kind of damage to even risk it for physical please, is wrong. Now, that being said. Firstly, the person who said “oh when 13 year olds were getting married it was to people around the same age” that was dumb and wrong these 13 year olds were often married to men (and women in some cases) that were much older than them, however, the world back then was very different. People died alot younger and you were seen as an adult at 13. The social standards of today themselves are the cause of many of the psychological manifestations in these kids. Back then it was youre a man or woman now its time to toughen up now its you will probably have mental problems and thus creates them. In many ways our society has made children soft but thats ok because children deserve to be soft and not have to grow up so fast thats one of the bonuses of an evolved society. though it would probably be better for them (not the pedo part lol). Anyways, There is however a gray area where there are things considered pedophilia that shouldnt be. Teens under the age of consent may lie about their age at parties other evens etc and have sex with someone older only to have their parents find out or some other event maybe they themselves regret it and thus ruin the life of the said “pedophile” thats bullshit. Someone who might be 17 might have sex with someone close to their age (like 15)that is still considered a child i would contend that the 17 year old or fuck it lets say 18 isnt really that developed themselves that they have sex with them jeopardizing their entire life and sometimes that risk is made into reality and thats pretty bullshit to. sometimes the said parties may believe they are in love (maybe they are?) and sex is an obvious way for them to express that love however a parent may not see it that way and ruin a life because of it. Now as a parent they have a right to stop any sort of relation like that and maybe they should but to take legal action and destroy the offenders life? thats bullshit. So you see in this evolved social spectrum pedophilia is very wrong but their is alot of gray area involved and you should keep that in mind about everything not just pedophilia because i feel like the majority of people dont and this is a perfect example of that point and frankly the black and white thinking that is the norm of todays society is getting pretty old for me. you sound fucking dumb. Think. See. dont judge. simply respond to right and wrong appropriately.

I would love to bash your skull with a rock and shiv your fucking eyeballs out. If I am packing like I usually am, I would make sure you knew why this was happening and then blow your sick demons right through the back of your head.

you will do none of that.
ever.
despite the tough bitch persona you attempt to sell.

i also bet you are one of the many small-minded keyboard warriors here that really struggled with the simple math captcha whilst clenching your teeth and aggressively drooling to post your squeals of self-contemptuous hate for that which you do not understand.

(Corrected version)
I guess those who think children cannot experience desires for sex never ever played “doctor” as a child, and as a kid never felt arousal or had sexual fantasies when seeing an adult in the nude. And that had one of those adults consented to fulfilling your secret burning desire -if you as a kid had made your desire known to the to you exciting adult- you would now be deeply traumatized by it… ; )

I remember as a young boy of 11 spying on a beautiful neighbour lady. She worked at nights in a very expensive strip club. I began to masturbate just imagining having sex with her. And boy would I have loved and enjoyed it if that had happened. In my imagination I was making love to her already.

But had she been a to me unattractive woman, and she would have forced me to perform oral sex with her, I would have very much disliked it of course. But still I would not be traumatized by it.

I agree that forced sex with minors is a crime. Coercion should remain strictly prohibited. But if really desired by the minor I see no harm in some loving cuddling, including some erotic activity. But only on initiation of the minor.

Actually rejection of the minor might be harmful in that case, and could possibly result in feelings of not being good enough.

A mature women I know confessed to me that she had seduced a grown up man when she was 12. She had no problems with it, but told no one about it, because she feared she would be stirring up a public scandal and be painted as a victim, and she still loved that man, and for nothing in the world would want any harm to come to him.

Girls who were forced into having sex, that is another matter. Yet from what I understand from some of the posters above, those cases are the exception, just as rape of mature women are the exception. And we don’t condemn sex in general because unfortunately rape does also happen.

I can fully understand the anger and rage against those who force minors to have sex with them. But there is a difference like night and day between having enjoyable sex as a minor at your burning desire to being raped. Let’s not forget or ignore that.

The usual mindlessness and complete lack of original thought. Just repeat what you’ve been conditioned to believe, give somebody else a hard time in an attempt to throw suspicion away from yourselves; it’s the ‘normal’ thing to do when feeling guilty. Just carry on feeling that you’re successfully hiding the truth, when what you are doing is revealing yourself every time you open your mouth.

Where I live, the ‘legal’ age of consent is fifteen years and thirteen with parental consent. However, they tend to pay more attention to nature than to mere concepts created to control people, and they know only too well that fourteen-year-olds are extremely sexually aware, in fact, aware of very little else.

On the subject of maturity… I know MANY so-called adults who are legally ‘allowed’ to do whatever/whoever they want, yet are intellectually and emotionally way behind the average young modern teenager.

Somebody said that children don’t have sexual urges. Have you seen the number of web-cam videos in circulation of children of all ages doing the full show for others to watch online?.. no adults anywhere near them… and they certainly seem to be enjoying themselves. It’s the new craze and it will increase in popularity the more normal it becomes. The time will come when children fight back for the right to have sex without adults interfering and trying to stop them enjoying their liberty.
Times are changing at the insistence of the young; get with it or STFU!

“Convention and liberation are continually related like this. Even though
we use convention, don’t place your trust in it as being the truth. If you
cling to it, suffering will arise. The case of right and wrong is a good
example. Some people see wrong as being right and right as being wrong,
but in the end who really knows what is right and what is wrong? We
don’t know. Different people establish different conventions about what’s
right and what’s wrong, but the Buddha took suffering as his guide-line. If
you want to argue about it there’s no end to it. One says ‘right’, another
says ‘wrong’. One says ‘wrong’, another says ‘right’. In truth we don’t
really know right and wrong at all. But at a useful, practical level, we can
say that right is not to harm oneself and not to harm others. This way
fulfils a constructive purpose for us.”

“This pride in personal opinions, these arguments, they have no end.
In order to put our minds at rest, to find peace, we should contemplate
our past, the present, and the things which are in store for us, like birth,
old age, sickness and death. What can we do to avoid being plagued by
these things? Even though we may still have a little worry, if we investigate
until we know according to the truth, all suffering will abate, because we
will no longer cling to things.”

I wouldn’t hesitate for a second unleashing the most barbaric, horrifying death on all you pedos. I wish I could. I regret coming across this web page and reading the words before my eyes knowing you sick fu%#s are out there doing this shit. I would literally rip your throats out with my bare hands or carve you up alive until you bled to death screaming in agony. I could go on and on…. Die all of you.

Even reading the description of the funding pages almost had me welling up!
You sick fucks!I know this is an old post but I really hope something was done about this site! I hope so much this was a honeypot!

When I was 6, some piece of shit who happened to be the son of the man my mother was dating at the time…he was 16…decided when the parent was away with the boyfriend for the evening…that it would be fun to try and ram his cock down my little throat.

Sorry, but I was neither looking for this attention nor smiling and enjoying it.

BTW, I challenge any of you “friendly pedophiles” to find a real life child that would willingly approach you of their own, natural, inherent volition and say ‘Here’s my vagina, wanna touch it’ or ‘Can I suck you off’…..

Kids just don’t think or behave like that, even if they explore their genitals on video and post it to the internet.

I wouldn’t have known what any of that was at that age.

Fuck anyone who believes otherwise.

Innocence is precious in this world, and around every corner some predator lay in wait to defile it for his own momentary gratification with thought of the effect on the other.

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
(Luke 2:7-20)

Are you serious? How the fuck you say a children can make a decision about his/hers sexuality that’s ridiculous them don’t have a free choice because of you fucking pervs and your bullshit manipulation, I get more angry when I read a post of an asshole saying that he want to see us helping a orphan children he thinks is a hero because rape children with the excuse of give them money for meds and food, I’m gone to use all my knowledge and efforts to take this sicks shit websites, spect us when you sick bastards sleep, when you go to work, when you are sit relax, because we are not only one, we are not anonymous assholes, we take revenge in name of the innocents let the justice begins xD

I regret reading this. Thank god, there are normal people promoting a healthy view of the subject. Why are there so many pedos trying to defend their obviously wrong position? Plus, it has been mentioned before, their arguments are always the same incoherent drag (*did not read* because mostly the first sentence of a post of one of those sick fucks already makes me want to puke). I also only browsed through the article because it’s making me sick. I wish I had not read it at all. What the fuck is wrong with people? Seriously.

this is fuckin sickning, burning alive would be a suitable punishment for these sicko fucks, i have a 4 year old daughter and if anyone ever did anything to her i would not hesitate to murder, i would gladly slice and dice and decapitate these goofs and enjoy it.

I don’t believe pedos are born this way. At a very young age I was exposed to pornographic material including magazines and videos. Throughout my childhood I was attracted to others my age and older. Children younger than I did not register on my radar. When I was 13 the same relitive who introduced pornography to me had discovered forums promoting family oriented nudist activities. Children were not attractive to me at first. As I siffted through the posts I began spotting children whom I thought would grow up to be particularly beautiful. Then there were children who appeared to mature physically sooner than others. Admiration soon turned into attraction and by this point I was 14. I was appaled to find images of adults and children engaged in sexual activity, however, constant exposure slowly desensitized me. I too have observed the difference between children gleefully playing along while others were obviously in distress. Lines blurred. Clearly I found the illict nature especially exciting because by the time I reached adulthood mainstream porn was not appealing.

I was not attracted to children before I was exposed to child pornography. My decisions and actions as a teenager conditioned my brain and thought process to fit the definiton of pedophile. I was not born this way, however, I am trying desprately to recondition myself back to normality. Maybe not all pedos deserve to die, maybe some can change? I hope so.

I bid you good luck. It takes a certain degree of courage to admit that you have this problem.. nevermind these hateful comments. People change and so can you. imo, you do not deserve to die or be tortured or anything of the sort. You just need to be strong and get over this “addiction”.

You people want to rape, torture, and kill the ones that watch these type of porn. Isn’t this kind of violence exactly what we want to get away from? Isn’t violence (Sexual and otherwise) what causes these disturbances? These people are sick, many probably would like to stop. I do not condone or support child porn in any way, but I think that torture and murder will never be the answer, just a catalyst for the next disturbance. Please, consider your words… many of you say you would do this or that to the person behind the website, why don’t you do something else to help children instead of trying to punish the ones that harm them? Or maybe try to help these sick individuals that may want to change? Maybe this way we can build a healthier world without this type of stuff…

They can’t even see how evil they are. I can’t believe they have the balls to be upset about money. Let the parents at them for 5 minutes and money the last thing they thought about. A couple of boots and a tire iron would cross their minds before anything else. You can do whatever to anyone and I don’t really care but children and old people-> FU*K YOU! They can’t beat your a** for stepping out of line. I kinda feel for that struggling to change guy because he was abused and that’s why he ended up that way and is trying to change. That’s a crappy deal but still DAMN! WTF? Why don’t you feel like crap??? Don’t you feel guilty? You are ruining an innocent person’s life. Like being wrongly convicted of murder and sent to jail. Doesn’t matter if you are later exonerated, those scars are for life. Imagine if when you were three, someone went up to you with a baseball bat and broke your leg and left you with a limp. That is actually kinder I think. You just end up with a perfectly natural fear of a**holes with bats. The trauma you are creating for your “co-stars” plays out over the course of their entire lives. It destroys their relationships, self-esteem, career choices, sexual identity and most importantly their sense of self. They can never really trust again. That’s sad. No matter how much they try to cleanse themselves, they will never wash the stink of those painful memories. They will never become who they were meant to be. That’s even worse. Now the producers are upset about not getting paid for their work? How about you start paying for all the overdoses, therapy, divorces and fights, two week benders, car wrecks and plain train wrecks that can be traced to the mess you made of their fragile mental and emotional states. Why don’t you start picking up those costs and tell me who didn’t get paid enough. Count your lucky stars that you haven’t been caught yet. Stop. Get help. Just because the child may not be screaming doesn’t mean you aren’t hurting them. You are. You just can’t see it yet.

P.S. You all still need a good beating though. No getting away from that one. Take your lumps and never touch a kid again.

father, we deserve to burn, as you have seen father our filth can not be wash way, it can not be uprooted with out leaving a toxic residue, must be burn. father witness my actions and judge my future for now i know the truth.

reading all the comments, wow cant believe i have to read this pedo supporting shit gone with your essays even though was forced to go through this shit while scrolling down, the internet has become a safe haven for you spineless filth. get some professional help and stay away from kids.
kids do not consent! at such ages they are not capable and are underdeveloped like so many have said, your atheists i bet, demented inbreds
what are you saying or trying to defend!?
fucks wrong with you sick demented fcks, i would bury you turds, forget swearing now you are scum wastepeople. come near anyones children again il fcking put you in a bodybag watch yourself, hope you get rape with bargepole or something in jail lol, well done to the sane people on here still.

It is good to see that many people commenting here dislike or hate pedophilia, because it deserves that for all of the harm it causes, but I hope everyone will do more to oppose pedophilia just than make a comment while you are angry and then move on and forget about the issue. We must do more and find better ways to keep pedophiles from harming children. Do not even listen to the self-serving views of those pedophiles who only care about abusing children: acting on pedophilic desires is always wrong, and people should never accept pedophilia.

So fools want the government to regulate the dark web, then we start all over. Self-limitations. I guess westerners are really stupid and kill their own dreams. Fascinating. Driven by emotion rather than logic.

I would like to dose each one of these pedophiles with 1000ugs of LSD, tie them up, make them watch horror movies, cut their genitals, make numerous small lesions on their skins, burn those lesions multiple times. Pierce their eyes, pour molten iron inside their ass till it cools and tar and feather them before waterboarding. Seriously kill yourselves you pieces of shit.

When are these pedos going to learn? They do not respect humanity and they must be stopped. Think about the innocence of those kids who get their whole life ruined by these monstrous acts. If their life’s beginning gets spoiled like this, they will eventually end up being pedos themselves in future. This definitely needs to be stopped, at least for our coming future generations’ sake.