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Threatening to kill a man's family is no harsher than the way most men tease their friends?

Damn, I have been missing out on one of the best parts of friendship!

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I think he said "I'll kill you" at the end of a voicemail, and I don't believe in anyway that it was a legit threat. Not saying his actions, that included, were right. But it wasn't a legit "threatening to kill a man's family" type of thing. In my opinion.

For anyone defending Incognito, i challenge you to read through the report, and actually look at the shit he did, and then come back and try to defend his actions.

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I'm not completely through it yet but I still don't like Martin. I don't like Incognito either, I think some of the shit he did was way over the line but so far it seems like Martin would go along with it. He'd laugh it off and never confronted them. I'd get physical if someone was talking about my sister like that, you don't let that shit fly. And I'm not that kind of guy, but if he's crossing that many lines you don't let that go on. If you don't want to go the physical route you confront them and tell them to knock that shit off right now. And.. if all else fails after you try those type of avenues.. you keep it within the organization. I don't like how he ran off to cry to the media.. I wouldn't want a guy like that in a Bears uniform. He joined in on the verbal obscenities and never stood up for himself, it's just not how you handle the situation. It sounds like the whole place was a shit show and it wasn't just Incognito (once again, I'm not a fan of him either). Personally I'm not for the whole hazing people and bullying is just ridiculous but Martin handled it awfully if you ask me and it's not like Incognito is the only person involved. I think the biggest indicator of this is the part where they "fined" him 10,000 dollars for not attending the Las Vegas trip. Martin folded like a lawn chair and actually wrote a freakin' check for 10 grand. When they tried the same shit with Jerry he said "fuck no" and didn't pay. That's how you handle their shit.

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The Rhymenoceros

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I'm not completely through it yet but I still don't like Martin. I don't like Incognito either, I think some of the shit he did was way over the line but so far it seems like Martin would go along with it. He'd laugh it off and never confronted them.

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And thats how it starts... people laugh it off, think its just typical ball-busting or jokes, and never confront the person about it. But, if it ends up going deeper and getting worse, that is when it begins to cross the line into harassment/bullying.

And yes, im sure Martin couldve handled the situation in a different way. However, if this type of behavior is embedded within the organization itself (which it appears to have been), then tattling to mommy and daddy isnt going to change anything. The fact he went to the media and exposed this shit has turned a spotlight on the NFL, and now they must address these issues and behaviors publicly, which in turn will lead to new rules/oversight to help prevent this crap from happening in the future.

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DaBears Ditka

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So your theory is the majority of the NFL are bullies? cool story bro.

This "bullying" is akin to a MMA fighter backing out of a fight b/c his opponent "bullied him" in the pre fight interview when they said that they were going to break their opponents face and kill them. Hey it's a proffsional business, cannot trash talk.

Martin has 2 things going for him that make him nearly bully proof, his size/strength AND his education and intellect, know this guy is trying to get under your skin; why are you reading tweets/txts/emails from him? Why are you listening to voice mails from him? It's as simple as "block" and/or "delete". That leaves actual face to face confrontation, At the size Martin is, he can defend himself. Just heard on the radio that 3 other people were also "bullied" by Incognito, but only Martin quit. The report you are referencing also states it's complicated to know what truly happened b/c of the "bipolar" relationship that Martin and Incognito had; which I believe references the fact that Martin was shooting shit back to Incognito also.

Martin is a grade a J'Webb, really big, really athletic, really not a good football player b/c he's not capable of handling the pressure of the NFL. Anyone want Webb back on the team?

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And thats how it starts... people laugh it off, think its just typical ball-busting or jokes, and never confront the person about it. But, if it ends up going deeper and getting worse, that is when it begins to cross the line into harassment/bullying.

And yes, im sure Martin couldve handled the situation in a different way. However, if this type of behavior is embedded within the organization itself (which it appears to have been), then tattling to mommy and daddy isnt going to change anything. The fact he went to the media and exposed this shit has turned a spotlight on the NFL, and now they must address these issues and behaviors publicly, which in turn will lead to new rules/oversight to help prevent this crap from happening in the future.

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The media would have been end end end of the line for me. I've laughed off stuff before too, but if it ever went to far I make sure they know that's too far. You don't let stuff slide for 2 years. You equate telling the organization about your issues as tattling to Mommy and Daddy but that's exactly what he did by going to the media. You should at least attempt to solve it in house before going that route. He went from never protesting a single thing and going along with teasing others and laughing with them when they rip on him.. to leaving the team and telling the media. There should be at least some steps in between those two.

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DaBears Ditka

SuperFanDBS Writer

None of my friends ever told me they were gonna run train on my sister or any other female family member of mine. Incognito is a piece of crap and has been since college.

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I don't disagree that he's a PoS, I said I wasn't defending him in my first statement, that doesn't change the fact that it's not bullying and I don't want Martin on my team b/c he's a grade a Puss.

and I have plenty of friends that, while not that exact phrase, have talked all sorts of shit about my family, and I right back at them...there is an entire history of "your momma jokes" on line, look them up, they've been going on for decades. I seriously doubt that Incognito was in anymore way serious about those comments, then any of the jokes you'll find about your mother.

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The Rhymenoceros

Staff Member

So your theory is the majority of the NFL are bullies? cool story bro.

This "bullying" is akin to a MMA fighter backing out of a fight b/c his opponent "bullied him" in the pre fight interview when they said that they were going to break their opponents face and kill them. Hey it's a proffsional business, cannot trash talk.

Martin has 2 things going for him that make him nearly bully proof, his size/strength AND his education and intellect, know this guy is trying to get under your skin; why are you reading tweets/txts/emails from him? Why are you listening to voice mails from him? It's as simple as "block" and/or "delete". That leaves actual face to face confrontation, At the size Martin is, he can defend himself. Just heard on the radio that 3 other people were also "bullied" by Incognito, but only Martin quit. The report you are referencing also states it's complicated to know what truly happened b/c of the "bipolar" relationship that Martin and Incognito had; which I believe references the fact that Martin was shooting shit back to Incognito also.

Martin is a grade a J'Webb, really big, really athletic, really not a good football player b/c he's not capable of handling the pressure of the NFL. Anyone want Webb back on the team?

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For one, i dont see anything stating a "Vast majority" of NFL players are defending Incognito. But yes...if they are defending him, either they are/were bullies themselves (not shocking considering these guys were jocks and pretty huge guys when they were in HS/College), or they are completely indifferent towards bullying.

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DaBears Ditka

SuperFanDBS Writer

as much as there is nothing stating "vast" there is even less, even anedotal evidence that former nfl players were bullies; by most accounts the guys that make up the NFL were as likely leaders in their schools as bullies.

and again even your report says that the relationship they had was "bibolar" and complicated. This was not just a clear case of bullying b/c it wasn't bullying at all. IT was a case of a giant D-Bag being asked to push/toughen up a kid that very much needed to be more tough(see J-Webb as an example of a guy that isn't mentally tough enough for the NFL) and he took it to far. Again Incognito is a PoS w/out question and I'd no more want him on the Bears then Martin, but not b/c he's a "bully" which he's not, but b/c he's a poor excuse of a human.

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that's a load of crap. Every workplace I have been in, every group of guys I have hung around w/have been very off color in it's nature and that includes women that are in the same department. This Idea that PC has taken hold in the real world is a load.

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Fuckin aye Ric. WHAT does a WORD MEAN ? First Upon Command of the King

What it meant was the local lord of the turf in England and conquered lands had the right to

bang any newly wedded woman before her husband did. Sounds like a sweetheart deal.

Anyways thats where the word came from that everybody is afraid of. Look it up.

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