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. Have done so much research on feeds for my personal use. I've come to the conclusion that large feed companies just care about ease and profit. They really don't offer much but soy and molasses. They really need to wake up and get with today's times and when the majority of horses have ulcers and allergies something needs to change. GMO food for people and animals along with all the chemicals are starting to come to light about the effects it is having on us and our animals.

The implication, given the context of your post, was that you are anti-GMO, which makes it logical to make the leap to liking this feed in part for it's non-GMO ingredients.

You are grasping and making things up.

I'm just going off of things you yourself have said

I never said it was suitable for horses but it is a horse feed so it obviously is suitable for horses.

What? Besides, my comments about suitability were not directed at anything you said, I actually said:
"it's marketed towards horses for which this feed is not suitable" in the context of *you* making comments about it being designed for horses with ulcers

The ingredients are proven to help horses with ulcers so I stand by that.

Show me the science that says oats are proven to help horses with ulcers. perhaps you are thinking about oat flour? That's a main ingredient in some ulcer "feeds" or "medications". The only reference I can find to feeding oats to ulcer horses it "Research has also found that adding up to 20% oats to a forage biscuit does not increase the incidence of gastric ulcers when provided as the sole feed source for yearling horses." fromhttp://equineulcerprevention.com/ and even that doesn't cite any research on it. Not increasing the incidence of ulcers is not remotely the same as being safe to feed an ulcer horse. So, I'm really curious what research you have read that says oats, or any grain, are safe to feed a horse with ulcers.

And Purina does promote Ultium as a low sugar/starch feed ,

So? They ARE low when compared to a lot of other feeds out there. "Low" is relative

and Excell says it is high in sugar. So I am not making anything up just stating what I have experienced.

so again, you have obviously, apparently, seen the results of FeedXL when inputting those feeds, so why are you keeping it such a secret?

We're only calling out the BS, and asking for more information which you and CA have said you have. I mean really, propionic acid sprayed on hay causes ulcers? The very same stuff horses make on their own? The whole amylase discussion proved how bad CA's information was. You say FeedXL says TC Sr is high in starch - prove it.

I dont care if you buy the feed. I would like to hear from those that have experienced the feed first hand.

If that's where all this had stopped, it would have been a good thread. "Hey, this feed worked really well for my horse" and "I couldn't feed it to my IR horse because it made him laminitic because of the oats" and "I like it, my horses loves it, but by the time I add more nutrition that's not provided, it's too expensive for me to keep using it" - no problem. It would just show that it, like many feeds, are good or at least not harmful for some horses, don't work well for others, and are not suitable for others.

I doubt the testimonials on her page are fake with photos and names. She can't control a testimonial on how people feel the feed worked for them. They made those claims she didn't.

Anyone who actually cares about credible feedback would use much, much better testimonials than are on the site. Using the ones there relies on the too-commonly uneducated horse owner who sees a shiny horse, a big name using a product, and that's all they need to know. 3 weeks on it putting such an awesome shine on a horse? I can get an awesome shine on my horses between late April and early May, 3 weeks, just by them shedding the last of their Winter coat. I might also be able to make a shine, shinier, by adding whole flax for 3 weeks.

Horse loves the feed, feeding less of it - sure, that could be done by moving from 12lb of a nasty high sugar sweet feed, to a lower sugar feed. That doesn't make CA magic.

Testimonials are about worthless without the context of what they were eating before, the time of year, and the exercise/turnout situation. Moving from an unhealthy diet to a better diet - which is not cornered by CA - will make anyone feel better.

There is absolutely not a single testimonial there which makes me want to run out and buy this product over a variety of others, because I am educated enough about feeds and ingredients to know what other options are out there. If I'm going for soy-free and GMO-free, then given how very few options there are, I might take a look at this one if it weren't for 28% NSC feed - just won't do it. I'd just mix my own ingredients for cheaper.

Nobody is saying those testimonials are fake. But they certainly aren't scientific, there are no controls, there's no real context to any of them, so CA chose to use those as "proof" of how good the feed is, hoping anyone reading them will be blinded by the pretty. I wonder how many letters she's received about how terribly horses did on it? I wonder how many horses it made fat? Beau (the 2nd one, the chestnut) looks to have gotten quite fat on this feed. Also, the implication is that the feed was responsible for his coat change. Sorry, that's a typical liver chestnut coat transformation from Spring/Summer, to the Winter coat - how many wide-eyed readers do you think know that?

The pinto below him, the "brown and white" magically changing to black and white. Well, hey, Feb 20 the horse started on the feed. 3 weeks later and a whole lotta new, unbleached Spring coat has grown in. See? Context. Feed didn't do that, the natural order of things did that.

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The unfortunate thing is this looks like a good feed for lots of types of horses to me but this thread alone is reason enough not to even consider giving them my hard earned money. I think this would be a big seller in the racing industry as they aren't afraid of the NSC for the most part but the grandiose claims really turn me off.

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I don't know if China was referring to actual bloating (which can be real, don't get me wrong) or just fat. I didn't care to get into how much was being fed, etc, as I just didn't want to deal with that.

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Wow. This thread is bizarre.
I have had my horses on this feed for two months, now. I chose it mostly because I spent the summer in Europe, and it was nice to have feed that didn't have so many fillers, soy or corn. I wanted to see if I could replicate that here.
After two months, I see no difference. One horse has gotten a little hotter, but it could be due to becoming fitter. I can't single out the feed.
I certainly do not feed less of it than other feeds, and I don't understand why China Doll says it is for ulcer horses. The website states that it is for Pleasure and Performance horses. Its nice to have papaya added, but it didn't prevent one of my horses from developing a mild case of ulcers (per a vet's scope). It was cured with gastrogard, etc., not with papaya.
And the NSC is listed as 24%. I know that's not low, but some people here are saying it is 28%. Pretty soon it will be 88%!
Anyway, will I stay with it? No. Firstly, because my horses have done better on another feed. Secondly, because it costs $38/bag. Thirdly, and this is the least of it, the formulator presented her feed with hyperbole and herself immaturely. But mostly for the first reason.

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Oats are about 50% NSC. If they a re less than have of the bulky ingredients, and the forages are low enough, it wouldn't take much to get the total NSC to 28%

i suspected this would be an expensive feed! Now figure in that it says to supplement it, and many horses would need to be, and it does not make sense to feed this. Mix your own oats and chopped forage, add a v/m supp, and you'll be FAR better of money-wise.

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It was a product I was interested in learning more about. However due to it's founder/creator not answering the questions about her knowledge of equine physiology and equine nutrition, not to mention her nasty attitude I'm totally put off.

It's almost 2019 and this very old post represented your company in the worst light. Not to mention I worked with Dr. Stephanie Valberg with the University of Minn. in regards to my PSSM Rheinlander gelding and your information on NSC's is dead wrong. You are going to hurt horses with EPSM and PSSM. I cannot thank the properly accredited people enough who have taken the time out of their accomplished and busy careers to comment. While keeping a sense of humor!