10 thoughts on “Goldie Taylor On Rachel Maddow Teaching Us Why Today Was A Bad Day For America”

I’ve been saying for a couple of years now that RACISM was the “elephant in the room” regarding many negative attitudes towards our president. Too many didn’t want to acknowledge that our great nation still has some some great flaws. They were giddy to a point that we had elected a black president and wanted to keep wearing those rose-colored glasses. Yahoo.com has compiled statements from experts who are now talking LOUD and CLEAR that indeed, it is all about RACISM.

“There is a real deep-seated and vicious racism at work here in terms of trying to de-legitimate the president,” Peniel Joseph, a professor of history at Tufts University, told The Ticket. “This is more than just a conspiracy. I think this is fundamentally connected to white supremacism in this country.”

Michael Tomasky writing in The Guardian comments, “And if you think race isn’t what this is about at its core, ask yourself if there would even be a birther conspiracy if Barack Obama were white and named Bart Oberstar. If you think there would be, you are delusional.”

No other president in our nation’s history has been held up to such demands and scrutiny.

Regarding the phony birther charges, Keith Olbermann says, “the debate has never been about whether or not Barack Obama was born in the United States of America. The debate has been about whether the Republicans could or can do by rumor, innuendo, and Fox Propaganda, what they cannot do by the ballot: find the overarching “scandal” with which to beat a Democratic President. With Bill Clinton it was misconduct, sexual and legal, that made him look like a saint by contrast to the average Republican criticizing him (I’m looking at you, Newt – and all the mini-Newts). With Barack Obama it is anything, anything, anything at all, that will reinforce the idea that he is the dangerous other/terrorist/alien/menace/anti-Christ that they can investigate and investigate and investigate, without any of them realizing that their racism – or any of a dozen lesser prejudices – is showing.”

I was hoping to get some clarification on the statement that “no other president in our 235 year history has been asked to prove his citizenship.” doing a quick search i came up with results that appear to show that at least 2 other sitting presidents and 6 presidential nominees have had their citizenship questioned. Im pretty sure that there was a pretty big movement to have Chester Arthur prove his citizenship. because of this I find Ms. Taylors claim that people are asking for his “papers” because he is black to be insulting. While i believe the question of his citizenship is for the ignorant because based on the citizenship law in place when BO was born even if he was born in kenya he is still a natural born citizen (NBC) because his mother is a NBC. The fact that when BO is questioned on almost any topic it is turned in to a racial attack takes away from the real racism and bigotry occurring in this nation.

I would like to add that Chester Arthur was Irish so it indeed have to do with race because back then people HATED the Irish in America. Almost as much as they hated black people at times and had no qualms in hanging and killing them for simply being Irish.

Chester Arthur had his citizenship challenged when running for Vice President, NOT when he later became a sitting president. Who was the other “sitting president”, Patrick? When you make such a statement online, you are obligated to give a link to verify it. The right-wing link where you probably found it probably isn’t credible, so give us something honest.

And was there ever a president who had his citizenship challenged to such a degree as has been the case with Obama? Was there REICH-wing radio, Faux News, and blogsites drumrolling over several years, keeping it a top story in their “news”? The constant din of the racist birthers continued AFTER Obama did supply legal proof way back in 2008, his certificate of live birth that is legally binding in every case.

Chester Arthur’s mother was BORN in the USA and Chester was born in VERMONT, so he was also a citizen. The Republican President was challenged however, since his father was a British subject.

I remember when George Romney had his citizenship challenged during the Republican primaries in 1968. He was running a strong second place to Richard M. Nixon. However, the conservatives in the GOP didn’t like him for his support of LBJ’s Civil/Voting Rights legislation. Republican hawks didn’t like Romney because he had expressed doubts about our reasons for being in Vietnam and claimed he had been “brainwashed” by our military brass, which sunk his chances for nomination.

It was briefly brought up that Romney was born in the state of Chihuahua, Mexico in a polygamous Mormon Colony but did have AMERICAN-born parents, so that objection was quickly overruled and Romney was deemed eligible to run for president.

you’re not the sharpest marble in the box are you.
1. I am not a birther because I find Ms. Taylor’s assertion to be factually inaccurate. I even stated that regardless of where he was born according to Applicable U.S. Law he is still a citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen.
2. I can not be racist, because I am black, and according to the current socially accepted definition I can not be racist because I have no power over anyone.
3. saying that someone is racist because they dont like irish is like saying if someone from michigan doesn’t like canadians then they are racist. Racism is the intrinsic belief that one race is genetically superior to another, not just that they dont like people of a different country. So lets be accurate with our hate slinging.

This is the internet, not a dissertation, I have ZERO obligations to do anything. as I stated in my original post I ran a quick search to fact check a statement, that on its face, just sounded wrong, and by your own post you have agreed with me so thank you.

So Patrick, you think I agree with you? You are wrong. You say you went to a “fact check” but still won’t put up the URL.

BTW, I have no OBLIGATION to spend my time researching anything you put up and I don’t jump through hoops for anyone. But when you throw something up online, it is your responsibility IF you wish to be taken seriously. Otherwise, you are just TROLLING! I felt you were trying to dilute/diminish the the nearly three year Obama birther saga saying, “well it has happened before to white presidents”. You opined, “I’m pretty sure that there was a pretty big movement to have Chester Arthur prove his citizenship.” That is your opinion, NOT fact. Like I found out, the brouhaha over Arthur’s eligibility was not when he was a “sitting president” as you or your “source” states, but had occurred earlier when he was running to become Vice President. You haven’t told us who the second “sitting President” was, who you infer was possibly put through the hell that President Obama has had to suffer. It probably hurts Obama’s daughters more than it does him, knowing they live in such a racist nation.

In teabagese, “I take you at your word that you are black”, but don’t agree that therefore you cannot be a racist. In my 72 years traveling to all 50 states, 42 nations on every continent save for Antarctica, I’ve known racists of every race and ethnicity. You are wrong that racism is only about race.

According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination. Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences.

Second, I said that I did a quick fact check. I did a google search for presidents with citizenship questioned because if what she was saying was true then my search would be over quickly. Martin Van Buren was the other president I was referring to. He is now widely recognized that he was he first natural born American president, but at the time it was believed that his father was not, wich would have made him ineligible. I would also like to point out that my first post was asking for clarification on her statement that contrasted what I had found, and expressing my offense that it is being considered racist to question his citizenship (wich I again state that I do not). If I accept that Arthur was only questioned during his VP then it would be safe to presume that if the 08 ticket was reversed, Biden top and Barack bottom, and obama’s citizenship was attacked, it would not be racist, because of the Arthur precedent. However, since he is president, the questions are racist. The line being walked here is nearly transparent.
What I find to be truly racist is that a bunch of white democrats think that I am so incompetent, uneducated, and all around inferior that I need their help to achieve what they have. In their eyes I can’t get a job without their affirmative action, I can’t pay for a roof over my head without their section 8, I can’t buy food for my family without Their food stamps. Their contempt for the black American is rampant.
And on the issue of the definition of racism, I generally use dictionaries to define words, not a UN convention.
I respectfully disagree with your belief that anyone who questions Barack’s citizenship is a racist and I see no further reason to continue this thread as it is quite obvious that we will have a hard time convincing eachother of anything short of the grass being green.