Saudi Crown Prince Sides With Israel To Exist As A Jewish Nation!

Saudi Crown Prince Sides With Israel To Exist As A Jewish Nation: In today’s episode, we talk with Mitch Danzig on how the leader of a Muslim nation, Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince, is picking Israel over Iran. The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is now recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish nation and not just the right to exist, they are acknowledging the Jewish religion. Tune in now to learn more!

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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

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Later in the program MitchDanzik will be with us. Today we’re talking about some of the things happening in the Middle East and taking that biblical, historical, and constitutional, perspective on that issue. David, Tim, I’m shocked to say–

David:

Hang on Rick. Before you go there I’ve got to say we’ve got a breaking news announcement here – Hell has now frozen over and the Earth has stopped rotating on its axis. Real simple.

Tim:

Wait a second. Did the Angels win the pinet. Because this sounds like the set up for Angels in the Outfield.

David:

It could happen.

A 12 on the Richter Scale of Philosophical Earthquakes

Tim:

Oh yes. So, if anybody doesn’t know there was a great Disney movie that was a remake Angels in the Outfield, Danny Glover. Gosh it was probably the 90s, mid 90s, when it came out – I don’t know. But when you said that it just reminded me of this Disney movie Angels in the Outfield. So, that’s obviously not the direction you were going. Nonetheless, I’m sure it’s not the angels winning the pinet.

David:

There may be some angels at play here in some way because I saw this thing, it just blew me away. The crown prince of Saudi Arabia is now recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish nation. And not just the right to exist, because the Palestinians say Israel has a right to exist – just not as a Jewish nation, it needs to exist as a Palestinian nation.

So, Palestinians say, “Yeah, Israel has a right to exist, it’s our place.” But Saudi Arabia – this is the place that really kind of kept Bin Laden alive, and funded Bin Laden, and all of the stuff he was doing. This is where the wacky cult that he was involved with came out of. The crown prince of Saudi Arabia is saying, “No, we believe that Israel has a right to exist and she has a right to exist as a Jewish state. And we’re acknowledging the Jewish religion.”

Whoa, whoa! That has got to be 12 on the Richter Scale of philosophical earthquakes in the Middle East. That’s just unbelievable.

Tim:

Well, there’s no doubt that’s the answer to prayers that have been prayed for decades, and decades, and decades. That’s really amazing. And if I’m not mistaken the Saudi prince is also a muslim. So–

David:

Oh yeah.

Tim:

So, that’s even a crazier thought that you have a muslim going, “We recognize Israel and they can exist, and Jews, and–”. That really is an astounding thing the Saudi prince came out taking that position.

A Wow Thing

David:

Yeah, it’s a “wow” thing. And so just thinking about, man, who in the world do we get? I started looking at Middle East experts and Mitch Danzig is one of those guys. Mitch is out of San Diego and he is a board member of what’s called TEAM – T.E.A.M. – which is an acronym for Training and Educating about the Middle East.

This is a guy that is on top of it. He was a former IDF soldier, he helped with a group called Stand For Us which is a great group getting allies for Israel and those that will stand with Israel. I thought, okay, if Saudi Arabia is now becoming an ally with Israel openly, they’ve cooperated in some things intelligence wise, but now they’re saying, “Oh yeah, we recognize Israel’s right to exist. They’re a good influence in the area.” And if you look at the Middle East than Mitch is the guy to go to on this.

So, Mitch Danzig, I thought, Rick, this would be a really good guy for us to talk to about this breaking news with what’s happening with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.

Rick:

Mitch Danzig is our special guest. Stay with us. Going to take a quick break. When we come back Mitch Danzig on WallBuilders Live.

Moment From American History

This is Tim Barton with another moment from American History. The year after the American War for Independence ended we begin addressing the issue of Muslim terrorists in North Africa, who were attacking American ships, killing, and enslaving American seamen.

Congress dispatched John Adams and Thomas Jefferson to negotiate peace. When they asked the Muslim ambassador the reason for the unprovoked attacks he told them that it was written in their Qur’an, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them whenever they could be found.

Sixteen years of negotiations failed and in 1801 America send its military to crush the terrorists. When that war ended in 1805 the first American edition of the Qur’an was published, urging Americans to read the Qur’an to see for themselves that it’s teachings were incompatible with the safety and peace of non-Muslims. To see the first American Qur’an and to get more information about America’s first war on Islamic terror, go to WallBuilders.com.

A Muslim Leader Bragging on Israel?

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. We’ve got with us Mitch Danzig. Mitch, thanks for coming on, man.

Mitch Danzig:

Yeah. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Rick:

I did not think I would see this in my lifetime! Actually seeing a leader of a Muslim nation bragging on Israel. And it actually sounded like Saudi Arabia’s crown prince is picking Israel over Iran. Am I reading these statements right or is this just fluff?

Mitch Danzig:

No, it’s 100% correct. I often joke that President Obama had one success that I don’t think any other American president or world leader has ever had. And that is through the Iran deal bringing the Arab countries and Israel closer than they’ve ever been.

Rick:

Wow. Yeah, yeah. Enemy of my enemy is my friend here, I guess.

Mitch Danzig:

100 percent. That is exactly what’s going on here. And they certainly see the Arab countries, the “moderate Arab countries” and I used moderate in quotations because that’s a relative term. But Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Jordan, Egypt, they all view Iran as their number one threat. And they’ve long recognized that Israel for them is actually a source of stability in the region and obviously not a threat to them.

Rick:

It’s hard for us to picture some of that here because sometimes we think of the Arab world as United. I even had to remind myself before we went into Iraq for how many years before that was Iraq and Iran at each other’s throats and fighting. So, how does all that geopolitical combustion work together here to cause the Saudi Arabian prince to say, “You know what? Israel’s actually doing right by us by not supporting Iran. America is now going the right direction in backing out of the– hopefully getting out of the nuclear deal with Iran.

A Great Myth

Mitch Danzig:

Well, so one of the great myths of the Middle East is that when people talk about “Middle East peace” and a “Middle East peace conference” they always make it about the Arab-Israeli conflict. And for the last 25 years or so that’s really been about the Israeli- Palestinian-Arab conflict as if you solve that problem and you bring about peace to the Middle East. That has just always been incorrect.

If Israel was never a country, if the modern State of Israel never come into being, God forbid, over the last 70 years there would be incredible conflict in the Arab world and in the Muslim world. People have to remember that over the last 70 years, roughly, since the end of World War II something in the neighborhood of 11 million Muslims have been killed in armed conflict. And something in the neighborhood of ten million five hundred thousand of those people killed in armed conflict have been at the hands of other Muslims.

Rick:

Wow. That puts it in perspective.

Mitch Danzig:

Sure. And the fact in the Arab Israeli conflict globally since for the past hundred years really since that conflict has been in play. You’re talking about maybe a total of 100 thousand Arab deaths and most of those, the overwhelming majority of those, were in the early wars – Israel’s War of Independence, Israel’s 1956 war, Israel’s 1967 war, and the 73 war, the Yom Kippur War. And those fatalities were mostly Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian soldiers.

So, in perspective, the Arab-Israeli conflict has resulted in very, very, few deaths of Arabs relative to conflicts throughout the Middle East. And incredibly few deaths of Muslims in armed conflict over the last 70 years. There is no comparison.

Rick:

That is a total perception changer what you just– to look at those numbers. We’ve got to get a graph on that and get that to our people online because that’s remarkable. Because you’re exactly right – I think if you went out on the streets, if you and I went out on the streets right now and did some interviews on the streets, that what everybody would think. You would hear from 99% of the people we interviewed. It would be the whole Middle East conflict. It’s Israelis, and Arabs, and all Arabs that have been killed have been killed by Israelis.

The Wrong Perception

Mitch Danzig:

That’s a perception. And even if you look at the world today you realize that that perception is completely wrong.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

Look at what’s going on right now in Syria. Five hundred thousand people have been killed. Millions and millions have been displaced over the last five years. Look what’s going on in Yemen. In Yemen you have over a million people who are facing death from disease right now, and starvation, and over 25000 people have been killed in that conflict. That’s just two conflicts alone in the Middle East in the last five years. None of them have anything do with Israel.

Rick:

Yeah. In fact, this is not really our topic for today, but I want to ask you about it because you’re an expert on this. So in the same way even the Palestinian people that over hear the propaganda, as always, their plight is entirely Israel’s fault. Aren’t they also surrounded by massive– compared to Israel– massive Arab countries that could easily take them in and take care of them and as Muslim Brothers? But they don’t.

Mitch Danzig:

Of course. Look, when the war of independence for Israel took place and seven Arab countries attacked Israel with the stated goal of wiping it off the map. There was during that period of time a population exchange that resulted from that war. Right. But the one where the Arab refugees were created was the result of an actual war where there was fighting going on in the Land of Israel in what was a British controlled Palestine at the time. That is a refugee problem that is to be expected when you start a war.

The Refugee Problem That Nobody Needed to Expect

Mitch Danzig:

The refugee problem that nobody needed to expect, but that was caused purely by animus and evil was when it was almost a million Jews living in Arab controlled lands as far away as Baghdad and Morocco were forced out of their homes. Almost a million of them. And Israel, despite being only 600,000 people at the time occupying a land that was about half the size of New Jersey, took in a million refugees, Jewish refugees, roughly, in less than 10 years. And absorbed them all and made them citizens. It would be the equivalent of the United States today taking in 400 million refugees.

Rick:

Wow.

Mitch Danzig:

And Israel did that. The Arab world instead handed over the refugee problem they caused by a war they started to the U.N.. To this very day these people are “refugees”. They’re the only generation of refugees in the history of the world.

Rick:

Wow, man. Oh you’re so good at putting it in perspective. Okay, I’ve got to get, before we go. So, the Saudi comments that were made by Prince Mohammad. He said, if I understand right, he called the Supreme Leader of Iran the Hitler of the Middle East. Is that– did I read that right?

Mitch Danzig:

That’s right. Look, there’s nothing that unites the moderate Arab states and Israel more than their mutual trepidation and concern over the ultimate weapon of mass destruction. A nuclear weapon, a nuclear bomb, being in the hands of a messianic Shiite Muslim leader like the Ayatollah. And the fact of the matter is that President Obama was betting on the idea that lifting the sanctions, letting an influx of capital go into the Iranian markets, would moderate the Iranian leadership. That the moderate Iranians, which are many, and there are many good Iranian people. In fact, I’m confident the overwhelming majority would somehow–

Rick:

We’ve seen them in the streets, we’ve seen them even attempt to have a revolution.

When Has This Ever Happened?

Mitch Danzig:

Of course. But when in the history of humanity has a brutal dictatorship that is driven by a brutal ideology become more moderate by becoming richer and more powerful? It has never happened. And you add to that the fact that they are irrationally anti-Semitic, irrationally messianic, with their belief in the 12th imam. And that’s an incredibly dangerous combination.

Their moderate leaders have said that Israel is a one bomb country – that one nuclear bomb dropped on Israel ends Israel. While Israel’s response would “only–”, in their words, “only kill 10 million Muslims”. Therefore it would be worth it.

Rick:

Wow.

Mitch Danzig:

So, how can you enable a country like that to have access to those kinds of weapons?

Rick:

No kidding.

Mitch Danzig:

And that’s what unites moderates like Mohamed bin *, who indeed is trying to moderate Saudi Arabia generally. Also not just respect the Iranian issue and Israel.

Rick:

And that’s an interesting thought. I know I said I’d wrap up on that last question, but if I could ask you about him. Some of the articles that I saw was all about the crackdown and the people that were held up at the hotel until they gave over whatever. Overall you see him as someone that would moderate or is trying to moderate Saudi Arabia?

Mitch Danzig:

Sure.

Rick:

So, it’s relative to us. It’s hard for us–

It’s Like Riding a Tiger

Mitch Danzig:

It is relative to us and he does have to be super careful. It’s like riding a tiger. When you feed your society on a culture of really backward ideology where giving women the right to drive is considered a revolutionary event as opposed to evolutionary.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

You have a major road ahead of you when you’re trying to moderate such a society. But he clearly does. He just has to be very careful. And I pray to God that he’s successful.

Rick:

Yeah.

Mitch Danzig:

But he needs to be very careful about it and he needs to take “baby steps” because revolutionary change in that society is very dangerous and very difficult. And we don’t see it often working for the better. In fact, I can’t remember a time a revolutionary change in the Arab world has worked for the better.

Rick:

Yeah. Because the overnight revolutionary change typically goes to the most radical, right?

Mitch Danzig:

Yeah.

Rick:

They’re the ones that are typically going to get–

Mitch Danzig:

It resorts back to a kleptocratic tyrannical rule.

Rick:

Yeah, yeah. Mitch, so good, man. We’ve got to get you back more often. You make it clear and it’s just as great getting to visit with you. Appreciate your time once again.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us and thanks to Mitch Danzig for joining us today. We’re back now with David and Tim Barton. And, guys, I got to tell you – seeing some of the headlines on this initially I honestly didn’t believe it. I thought it was going to be a spoof. Now hearing Mitch describe it and describe even, potentially, the long term changes that could happen as a result of this type of leadership and this type of rhetoric being spoken. This is huge.

David:

Well, it is huge. And when so much of the Obama stuff was going down in the Middle East and we watched his policies create what was called the Arab Spring which is more like the Arab forest fire. It was burned across the Middle East and you had all of these revolutions and countries being overthrown. You had the revolution in Egypt which the military finally said, “No, that’s the wrong direction. You’re becoming Israel hating.” And even Egypt throughout Morsi and went back to a much more pro Israel government.

Siding With Israel Over Iran

David:

We watched that with Libya where Moammar Gadhafi, as bad as he was, was a friend and ally with Israel and was giving Israel intelligence information on terrorists. And then America hung him out to dry and let him get killed, we would not intervene there. We didn’t do anything to stop what was going on in Syria and Turkey, the turnover in Turkey. And then we jump into Iran and we give them a hundred and fifty billion dollars in Iran at the time when the embargoes are about to cause them to fold. Then we go bail them out.

And I thought it was interesting that Mitch pointed out that Obama’s policy was so bad that it even drove Arab nations to side with Israel over Iran. We knew Obama’s Middle East policy was really bad. But when it’s so bad you’re causing Muslims to side with Jews against Muslims – that’s pretty radical stuff. Romans 8:28 says that all things are going to work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. And there’s no question that Israel has a purpose in God’s plan.

So, even the stuff that went on with all this eruption of stuff in the Middle East, who would have ever figured that that would be what would help Israel get allies in a way that none of us would have imagined? I would not have chosen that the way that God brought it about. But certainly it’s what God has done to help Israel and with some of the most unlikely allies we could ever choose. I had not thought in the terms of what he called this messianic Islam kind of stuff where that Iran sees themself as the messianic messiah, the 12th caliphate, type stuff. And it is just interesting that we’re just seeing a major realignment in the Middle East right now.

Rick:

Let’s take another quick break, guys. We’ll be right back. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Tim:

Yeah, Rick, it’s something that’s been cool to see the transformation with young people coming in. The emphasis, for us, largely is a pursuit of truth. We have a culture that doesn’t know what truth is. We don’t know what biblical truth is, or constitutional truth, or the American heritage that we have. And so we really dive into original documents and say, “Well, what did they actually write? What did they actually do? Not just what did somebody say, what is actually true, and the truth is what’s transformational.

David:

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America’s History

This is David Barton with another moment from America’s history. Around 1790 the infamous Thomas Paine wrote his age of reason attacking religion and Christianity. Interestingly, one of the strongest defenders against Payne’s attack was Benjamin Franklin.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. And David, Tim, I don’t think I’ve learned as much about the Middle East in as short a period of time as our time with Danzig today. This was good stuff.

David:

Well, it was really amazing. I was really struck with a couple of things he was saying. One point he made is the Arab world is not cohesive and he’s really right about that. They’re not cohesive. I was just looking up real quick – if you take the 22 nations that we call Arabic nations – and I’m throwing Iran in there. Some people don’t put Iran as an Arabic nation, but I’m going to say Iran’s an Arabic nation. If you take those 22 Arabic nations and you look at them they don’t really like each other all that much.

You’ve got not only the most of them hate Israel, but at the same time Egypt does not like Syria, Turkey, and Qatar – they’re their enemies. And in the same way Iran and Iraq – neither one of them like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. They consider them to be enemies. So, Iran sees Saudi Arabia as a big enemy and then Saudi Arabia sees Turkey, and Iraq, and Syria, and Afghanistan, and Iran, as enemies. And Syria doesn’t like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

It’s really true that among those 22 nations they just don’t like each other all that much. And then he made the point that if Israel had never existed the Arab nations would still fight each other. 11 million Arabs killed – I didn’t have a clue that it was that high. And so much of that came from them fighting each other – not from Jews fighting them in wars, it’s from them fighting each other. So, that’s a really wild thing.

The Father of the Arab Nations

David:

But then it caused me to remember back in Genesis 16. When you look back to the father of the Arab nations you have to go back to Ishmael. And Ishmael, of course, was the first son of Abraham, but God said, “No, that’s not the son of promise. And it’s not going to be with Hagar. You’ve got a son coming through Sarah.” And God still puts a blessing on Ishmael. But part of that is he also puts, if you will, a description of who he is.

In Genesis 16:12 the angel told Hagar, Ishmael’s mother, he said, “He will be a wild man. His hand will be against every man and every man’s hand will be against him. And he will live in hostility toward all of his brothers.” I think that’s kind of the Middle East today.

Tim:

Well, I would even say like the King James is does not even describe him as a wild man. David:

That’s right, it doesn’t.

Tim:

It’s even more descriptive in how wild he will be, and uncontrolled, and unrestrained he will be. But it is interesting when you see what God said in the midst of, “I will bless him and make him a nation as well, but it will be a different kind of nation.” And you see the opposition that it has brought, the struggle that it has brought, and it is very descriptive. Even in the sense of if you are that wild, yeah, you don’t even get along with your neighbors in those regards. So, even though they have similar beliefs and ideologies, they’re not getting along which is quite interesting.

David:

And, Rick, I thought the point you made was really good, too, about how the Palestinians, they’ve had so many opportunities from Arab nations to have established them a Palestinian state and they’ve turned them down, they didn’t want them. They didn’t do it in the 67 war, they didn’t do 73 war, they didn’t do it in ‘48. They’ve turned it down. And as Mitch points out, Palestinians are the only generational refugees in the history of the world.

Only If It’s Israel’s Land

Tim:

Yeah. Which one of the things to that point that I thought was interesting, Dennis Prager has what are called PragerU videos, educational videos. And he has one on Palestinian refugees that documents this really, really, well. So, if you want to understand that whole perspective a little bit better you can go to YouTube, you can google it – PragerU–

David:

So, PragerU, what would be the title you look for on the video?

Tim:

So, I would just do a google search, a YouTube search, of Palestinian refugees because they document how it’s not refugees like we think about refugees. This really does get misrepresented by political leaders, by the U.N.. And how often they have turned down these opportunities to be their own nation, to have their own land, to do their own things. They’re not interested in–

David:

They don’t want the land unless it’s Israel’s land. They only want what Israel has.

Tim:

Well, and it’s not even– Yeah, it’s not that they want their own nation, it’s they don’t want Israel to have a nation.

David:

That’s right.

Saudi Crown Prince Sides With Israel To Exist As A Jewish Nation

Tim:

And so they’re just trying to get rid of Israel in this regard. But this is why it’s also interesting that you have someone like the Saudi prince who’s coming out and taking the complete opposite position going, “No, no, no, we think it’s fine for Israel to be a nation filled with Jews – that’s totally fine.” Very uncharacteristic of the traditional position that Muslims have taken, but very encouraging to see.

Rick:

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