Oracle doesn't have similar certifications, I think there shouldn't be any affect to the existing Sun Java Certifications excepts their name are likely to be changed from Sun Certified XXX to Oracle Certified XXX.

I see this as bad news. Not so much for Java, but for MySql. I'm biased, I dislike Oracle's corporate style, or rather their lack of ethics.

MySql is a credible competitor to Oracle's DB. Not as good, doesn't scale as well, but solid and much cheaper. I don't see how Oracle will put the effort into improving MySql to make it a better product that is even closer in abilities to Oracle's DB.

But, its a fact, no point in worrying about it. Deal is done.

Hong Anderson
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Pat Farrell wrote: MySql is a credible competitor to Oracle's DB. Not as good, doesn't scale as well, but solid and much cheaper. I don't see how Oracle will put the effort into improving MySql to make it a better product that is even closer in abilities to Oracle's DB.

Have you ever used PostgreSQL? I don't know much about about RDBMS, but I have heard that PostgreSQL is much better than MySQL. As you said, this is the end of MySQL for sure, and probably the same for Sun GlassFish Enterprise Server as well.

I heard the webcast where Oracle's CEO says that Java and Solaris are the two largest factors for Oracle to buy Sun.
I hope this translates into more innovation for Java and protecting the open nature of Java.
Can't imagine having to pay for the next version of Java

Their deal is pending stockholder approval, other approval etc etc, but it looks like it will go through. Its hard to guess what Oracle's strategy is but with BEA and Sun now on their side, Oracle looks quite strong. I have no idea what they plan to do with MySQL or GlassFish and netbeans. And what happens to java DB (Derby right ?)

I wonder what this means for the future of NetBeans and JDeveloper. I'm not sure it makes sense for Oracle to support two Java IDE's. Would it make sense to merge these two IDE's? The licensing is different. My understanding is that NetBeans is open source, but JDeveloper is not. Would source code still be made available for the merged IDE? Which IDE will be discontinued?

I believe JDeveloper is originally based on really old Borland JBuilder code. Has Oracle put much development effort into JDeveloper recently? Does JDeveloper have anything that couldn't be ported to NetBeans?

Vikram Kohli
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Bruce Alspaugh wrote: Has Oracle put much development effort into JDeveloper recently?

They have indeed put lot of efforts in Jdeveloper. Jdeveloper is now a single IDE to develop applications/ projects on BPEL/ESB, Webcenter and ADF. Don't know which IDE will be continued. But after acquiring BEA, though they have chosen to use Weblogic over OC4J as the web container, but haven't encouraged the development to take place using web logic IDE. May be same will happen this time also, they will pick good features from Net beans and will put them in Jdeveloper.

Sadly, that definitely means an end to MySQL. Oracle has been supporting Eclipse a lot. I doubt if it supports Netbeans. But, it should support Netbeans given its wide usage.
Glassfish etc. products' future seems to be uncertain.

Prabz Bhatia wrote: BAD NEWS, Seriously Bad,
I don't think Oracle likes open source stuff... What happens to the ongoing open source projects like OpenJDK or NetBeans, or MySQL, or OpenOffice???

It is much better than no one buying Sun, otherwise the company would just continue to post large losses till it goes out of business.

As for open source projects, whats to stop someone just forking the existing code stream and making a new product from that? My guess is that is what will happen to MySQL, since I can't see a reason for Oracle to support or promote it.

Don't think there will be a future for low end Sparc based machines as Oracle will most lightly develop a high end (expensive £) Sparc / Solaris / Database / Weblogic / Jdeveloper (version 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.netbeans.1 ) solutions for large companies - and offer customers expensive service level agreements. They then can try to take market share away from IBM.

Expect that they will continue to offer cheaper solutions by allowing oracle to run on linux / solaris on Intel / AMD based machines, but these will be for medium sized clients.

This is bad news for other IT suppilers that have used solaris / java, for example Sybase who tend to have a large market share in certain business sectors. They may have to move their business towards linux or migrate over to the Oracle products.

Their main reason for the purchase was for the software - they needed to stop IBM from getting Java and Solaris.

Not sure what this actually means for the future of Java, maybe we will have to start paying more to use it - or more lightly we will be offered a tightly intergrated suit of development products.

And what happens to java DB (Derby right ?)

- Derby is an open source product, which was based on an old Informix (now IBM) development - an old rival of Oracle. Since its open source then it should be fine.

Rizvan Asgarov wrote:Hi ranchers,
Don't worry be happy! Maybe this is the excellent news...
In my opinion Java is lovable and it is the wolf of all languages...
And Oracle is the dragon of the databases...

We shall further be called evidently as Oracle-Java Developer, not Java Developer.

Regarding MySQL. Actually Oracle bought Innodb back in 2006. Considering that Innodb is more 'serious' / appropriate engine for enterprise applications I would like to see some comments on this acquisition and its influence on MySQL / Innodb...

Sharon whipple wrote:Bad news for Java developers and the open source world...
oracle is expert in buying good applications/companies and mess them up...

I am starting to learn c#

Brian Legg wrote:I already know C#, VB.NET, and MOSS so I'm good

Stop scaring the hell out of me. I don't want to learn C# or any other Microsoft technologies. Microsoft is too restrictive. Even the most basic certification from microsoft needs 1 year experience (this is what I was told by my friends who work on ASP .Net). Its just too much for people like us to handle...

Sharon whipple wrote:Bad news for Java developers and the open source world...
oracle is expert in buying good applications/companies and mess them up...

I am starting to learn c#

Brian Legg wrote:I already know C#, VB.NET, and MOSS so I'm good

Stop scaring the hell out of me. I don't want to learn C# or any other Microsoft technologies. Microsoft is too restrictive. Even the most basic certification from microsoft needs 1 year experience (this is what I was told by my friends who work on ASP .Net). Its just too much for people like us to handle...

You are partially right. It is hard to handle all these technologies but nowadays we have no other choice than to know both side of the river :-)