Comments on: The responses to the Jon Lester Vaseline “controversy” are pretty familiarhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/the-responses-to-the-jon-lester-vaseline-controversy-are-pretty-familiar/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Fri, 09 Dec 2016 17:38:53 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Bob Loblawhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/10/24/the-responses-to-the-jon-lester-vaseline-controversy-are-pretty-familiar/#comment-603039
Fri, 25 Oct 2013 03:10:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-603039Such a stupid comment(how’s it feel?), but I am guessing nightman must be a patriots fan.

The Eagles after the game were all saying how it seemed like every time they called a screen pass, there were three patriots defenders around. They knew the signals. They taped that week’s practice, not previous practices. They had spies going to the other team’s practice and taping the signals and everything. That was a MAJOR PART of spygate. Not only taping previous games and using those signals. They were sneaking into practices and taping them. They did it during the week of all three Super Bowls they won. How convenient that they upset the Rams as a 14 point underdog, and then 6 years later, AFTER SPYGATE, as a favorite of almost 14 points, they went out and LOST to a FAR inferior NY Giants team. Why? I guess it was just a coincidence LOL.

Anyone who doesn’t think that the Patriots benefitted from Spygate is either a Patriots fan or an absolute moron.

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Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:45:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602974Its safe to ignore anything the Cardinals bitch about. They’ve been the whiniest team in baseball for years.
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Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:39:32 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602972I blame Mike Trout and all those advanced stat nerds. Because somebody has got to do it.
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Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:37:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602969I always wondered why nearly every NFL coach on the sidelines during games would move his lips while hiding behind his play sheet – both before AND after the Pats got caught up in that. And I seem to recall an article that related how Mike Shanihan and Jeff Fisher respected each other so much, that both knew they could trust the other side during head-to-head games and did not need to protect their signaling and discussions in like fashion.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:02:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602927Right, belicheat went through all the trouble to tape practices for no advantage at all. Combined with the fact they are 0-for after getting caught makes it seem that maybe taping practices helped. If you think they went through all the trouble to tape practices, with NOTHING to gain from it, you have to be a Patriots fan.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:24:47 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602887Isn’t Gaylord Perry in the Hall of Fame? Everybody and their mother knew he was throwing a spitball.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:25:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-6028542006 wasn’t that long ago.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:19:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602850accusing somebody of cheating when they lose is just part of the cardinal way. that is one one of the reasons this reds fan hates them. when the reds starting winning and beating them in 2010 st. larussa accused Arroyo of putting something on the ball when he won at bush. then in Cincy crybaby carpenter complained about the mound and the condition of the balls there as well as accusing reds pitchers of cheating. and don’t forget about him getting his feelings hurt and being distracyed by the fireworks after giving up a homer. funny nobody but them complained about that the whole year. how about just once when you lose you guys try doing it with some of that cardinal class you are always bragging about.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:16:11 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602847If only we had the Yankees or Tigers in this Series, we wouldn’t have all this cheating/illegal substances talk.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:07:25 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602844a) People are plenty hard on pitchers who use PEDs. You think Roger Clemens is going to the Hall anytime soon? Because of how our antennae are tuned (the attention to home runs, the simple fact that hitters LOOK more muscular than pitchers) we’re a lot more likely to accuse hitters of using PEDs than pitchers, but when they’re caught, we’re harsh enough.

b) People think PEDs are worse than doctoring balls. They have reasons — some good, some bad. For one thing, PEDs are illegal. For another, there are some kinds of cheating which people find charming — usually those which one engages in on the field, and which take a bit of gumption or creativity on the part of the cheater, and PEDs aren’t that.

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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:01:31 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602841And let the Boston sports haters commence their whining in 3…2…1… It’s as predictable as the sun coming up. Do your pathetic posts come with a matching pair of ovaries?
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:53:50 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602837How about an asterisk next to Pete Vuckovitch’s Cy Young for 1982? During a game at Fenway, pitching to Rick Miller, I watched (on TV) him spit a big gob onto the thumb of his glove, rub his fingers into it, then grab the ball and throw the pitch. Even announcer Bob Montgomery saw it and said “oh, what’s this?”. Nothing was ever done. I guess nobody on the field noticed the most flagrant instance of cheating I’ve ever seen.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:45:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602836You might want to change your handle to reflect that, then.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:45:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602835He don’t use jelly.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:24:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602823Human instinct is to deny complex issues to the point of simplicity to remove uncomfortable thoughts from consciousness.

Some people are wired a little differently and embrace complex issues and analyze them. That’s where you get your scientists and academics.

Occasionally, you get the second type working in an industry dominated by the first type which creates a natural backlash. Which is one of the reasons journalists despise bloggers and also a reason why hardcore fans flock to bloggers.

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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:18:31 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602819Such a stupid comment. I continue to be shocked that people think that sign stealing did anything at all to help the Patriots.

1.) Most teams change their signals from week to week, so probably 90-95% of what was recorded was worthless.
2.) There is no way to steal the sign and relay it to the offense for an upcoming play. The QB headset shuts off with 20 second left on the play clock. That means the Pats would have had to see the sign, translate it, radio the defensive play call to the offensive coordinator, he’d have to determine the best play to attack the D and radio it to Brady in 20 seconds. Impossible.
3.) I am a freelance writer for the NFL and have attended the Scouting Combine and other major NFL events where all the coaches, scouts, etc congregate. Based off my conversations with people, they estimated that 18-22 of the 32 teams taped signals.

The only advantage you get from taping signals comes if a team is too stupid or lazy to change them from the previous week. Since 2/3 of the NFL was taping signals, almost all teams changed their signs from week to week. So in the years the Pats were taping signals it may have benefited them in a handful of games against bad coaching staffs.

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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:17:35 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602818Sarcasm Alert!!!! Shame on you Cohn. No, the umpires are too busy staring at the bases to possibly look up and see what is going on with the rest of the field. /S
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:16:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602817You’re welcome.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:16:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602816Alex Speier is not giving an “even if he is doing it” response. He’s using information to say that he’s clearly NOT doing it, because his pitches were doing the same thing last night that they usually do.
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Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:15:25 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=501638#comment-602815Foxborough?
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