>>2775848This is ancient news but the producers are just scummy and fired the director of the anime likely because they wanted total creative control. The franchise was bombing hard before the anime so the director got an unusual amount of creative control over the anime because the producers(Kadokawa) had close to zero faith or money invested in it. The given reason for firing the director was that he used show assets without express permission I believe this was referring to episode 12.1 which was made by the studio for free.The anime was incredibly successful so Kadokawa wanted total control over the franchise to make da monies. The easiest way was just to fire the director Tatsuki or at least that's the theory. Then after fan backlash they made an apology video using the VAs of the anime which was also scummy, because they didn't do anything wrong and Kadokawa was essentially hiding behind them. And even scummier because the VAs likely had no choice because most of them are pretty new to the industry or not well known.That's how I understand it anyway.

Also this: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-09-14/former-kemono-friends-director-tatsuki-i-havent-received-any-script-royalties/.136810

tl;dr - Producers fired the director of the anime for making free extras, likely because they wanted total control.

>>2775867Thank you for the thorough reply. Wow. What a mess. RIP Kemono Friends. Not a chance in hell season 2 will not be shit. Once again short sighted corporate greed has destroyed a series. And I was so looking forward to season 2. Such a shame.

>>2775883Ever since /a/ became too shitty to bear I had no place to stay up to date on anime drama. Yeah, I am on /u/ regularly, but that's usually to discuss and review or to share new yuri that I have discovered.

I see the second season is receiving a lot of hate, I know there was some drama about it time ago but I don't know the reasons, can someone explain?For what I get people is simply mad because Kaban isn't in it?

>>2775867Very biased post. Not director is ever allowed to use the IP as they want. They asked Tatsuki to stop, he admitted he didn't wanna stop. Try to find other directors using their shows to make ads like he did.

>The anime was incredibly successful so Kadokawa wanted total control over the franchise to make da monies. The easiest way was just to fire the director Tatsuki or at least that's the theory. Theory backed by random 4chan anons. They would make more money with Tatsuki. There was no reason to fire him if he followed the rules.

>And even scummier because the VAs likely had no choice because most of them are pretty new to the industry or not well known.Sadly, you people are trying to ruin these seiyuu's carrer.

>Also thisTatsuki himself admitted he had misunderstanding what happened there and apologized later.

>Producers fired the director of the anime for making free extras, likely because they wanted total control.It's their IP, they need to control it. Kadokawa's error was paying low attention to the anime, which made the staff think they had all the freedom, which is never true in these cases. In fact, Tatsuki using a character that belongs to him instead of belonging to the franchise just show how narcisist he is. That's not common to the anime industry at all. Usually original characters belong to the franchise, not the director.

>>2793410>In fact, Tatsuki using a character that belongs to him instead of belonging to the franchise just show how narcisist he is. That's not common to the anime industry at all. Usually original characters belong to the franchise, not the director.The fact that he was allowed to use her at all proves that Kadokawa didn't give a fuck about he did.

>>2793427That's no true. The one who said he could use the IP as he wanted was the original creator. The thing is, the original creator didn't have the rights for it. He probably thought no one would give a shit because the franchise was dead.

>>2793434Yeah, like I said, their mistake was not paying attention to the project. You could judge them for only doing something after the show's success. You're right there. But everything they did was still in their right.Also, if the series had flopped as it was supposed to, no one would even want ads using the characters. Even if the director used the characters for shorts, no one would give a shit, even though he still didn't have the rights.Since it was a hit, Kadokawa would be losing their rights on the brand. Can you imagine Index's director being like: "Why can't I use the characters to make personal side projects and Tatsuki can do it with KemoFure?"They just couldn't allow him to do what he wanted anymore.

>>2793441That still doesn't justify them firing him. And I don't think anyone would taken it as precedent for handling IPs they adapt.Even if what they did was "in their right", it was still dishonest.

>>2793475You have a company. You have an employee that uses the company car with the company logo to go to parties.You tell the employee to stop, after all, your company name will be damaged.The employee said they won't stop, because your other employee was the one responsible for the car and they said the first employee could use it as they wanted.Wouldn't you fire them?

>>2793441This is bullshit. The other companies involved had permission from Kadokawa to make the shorts. We know this because when Kadokawa tried to claim they didn't, they posted the documents on social media to prove it.

>>2793496I don't even remember if they were specific about what content he made without authorization, but that doesn't matter. Because they didn't fire him because of that. They fired him because he didn't agree with stopping doing it.He also never said that was a lie. And I doubt he wouldn't do it because he complained about the scripts before even realizing it was a mistake.Why would Kadokawa even fire him otherwise? I'm sure the new studio is more expensive for them, as is the new director, since he's a veteran.

>>2793521Because Kadokawa was mad some nobody revived alone a franchise that was about to die, the mobage did so bad that it close right before the anime aired. Nobody went to the promotional cafes in Akiba before the anime aired. Nobody cared about the manga. Everything was falling apart no matter what Kadokawa did, and then Tatsuki came and did a better job than all the efforts the company tried, and that made them mad.

So they figured a bullshit excuse to fire him and handle the anime to someone that actually belongs to Kadokawa. Which of course made the whole world mad. They didn't think this through.

However >>2775867 doesn't really make sense for me.First, a director doesn't own the rights of a series, right? Why did they have to fire him just to make a second series?Second, if the brand was doing badly, why firing the director that turned it in a successful brand? Wouldn't it be better for them to let him doing a new season hoping for it to be successful like the first one?Sorry for my ignorance. I don't even know how this show could get that popoularity since it's way too plain.

>>2793534Wow, you really believe that? That's sad.Kadokawa only cares about money. No one would risk money for such a bullshit reason. Even more when Kadokawa have dozens of franchises bigger than KemoFure.

>>2793542Want the truth? Tatsuki created some fanaticals. They're crazy cultists that believe Tatsuki is Anime Jesus and will save the industry.Don't even bother.

>>2793567Oh, so you admit Tatsuki was trying to steal the brand? Because yeah, he doesn't have any right of having independent control over it. He can do it with his shit harem show, but not KemoFure.Also, let me remind you Kadokawa doesn't own the brand alone. All the committe was involved and agreed with the removal of Tatsuki's studio.

>>2793573>No one would risk money for such a bullshit reasonThey thought the money was in the brand and anime, not in the person who made it. They made a terrible stupid mistake, they still wanted money but didn't get they needed Tatsuki, so because they didn't like him, they fired him trying to get money from the anime, this time produced by them.

>>2793599For example, Tatsuki made an extra episode and uploaded it in his YouTube channel, instead of uploading it on Kadokawa's channel.So all KemoFure's brand looked like it belonged to him instead.

>>2793593>didn't get they needed TatsukiThey didn't need Tatsuki. The franchise is theirs.

>>2793599They didn't like him using their characters for his own personal projects.Imagine any of the directors of the Harry Potter movies using Harry Potter characters for their own things. Neither Rowling or Warner Brothers get a say. That director would be booted too.

>>2793604He's not the devil, but he's not the god that can do no wrong some people seem to think he is.

>>2793604>Tatsuki made a series not to your tastes so now he's the devil.I'm sorry? I always thought this drama bullshit. Sure, we're annonymous board, so you can't know. But don't pretend people are only against making this guy anime jesus now.

>>2793606>They didn't need Tatsuki. The franchise is theirs.But Tatsuki is the one who made the franchise succesful. Kicking him out would only bring bad publicity and scorn from the fans regardless of the quality of future seasons.

>>2793606>Imagine any of the directors of the Harry Potter movies using Harry Potter characters for their own things. Neither Rowling or Warner Brothers get a say. That director would be booted too.He actually had permission though.

>>2793410>Tatsuki himself admitted he had misunderstanding what happened there and apologized later.He apologized for piggybacking on the stolen audition scripts case and said nothing about misunderstanding anything. ANN ran the tweet through google translate and made up the rest.https://twitter.com/irodori7/status/1041280392488148993

>>2793521>I don't even remember if they were specific about what content he made without authorization, but that doesn't matter. Because they didn't fire him because of that. They fired him because he didn't agree with stopping doing it. He also never said that was a lie.The official explanation says Yaoyorozu chose to quit rather than agree with whatever "normalization" KFP demanded. Yaoyorozu say they were suddenly fired without being told why.https://twitter.com/fukuhara_ystd/status/945943151998509056

>>2793619The production committee?https://twitter.com/fukuhara_ystd/status/945943187205472257

>>2794092>The production committee?No, he said before the one who said he could do whatever was the real creator. This is about episode 12.1.In fact, think about it. Kadoka gave permission for episode 12.1 after the show's success. So your "theory" that they fired him because he made the show a success fails.

Aside from that, you only have Tatsuki's word itself.You know who would gain with refusing Kadokawa's rules, make a big deal out of it and make his own independent show without the need to pay a part to Kadokawa? Only Tatsuki.In fact, he's even broadcasting his show at the same season as Kemono Friends 2 and his crazy fanatics are targetting the studio making KemoFure 2.The only one getting anything out of it is Tatsuki, and you just trust his words blindly.

>but she uses 'boku' to refer to herself!That means nothing. Girls also use 'boku' to refer to themselves.Now, if she said 'ore', we would be abandoning ship so fast we wouldn't even salute the dudes playing sad music as the boat sinks.

Not sure how to feel about it. It wasn't awful but there many things I didn't like. They had way too many Friends around at the same time and Serval feels kinda shoehorned. Didn't like the OP at all. The CG just doesn't look good without Yaoyoruzu's style, they should have made it 2d in the game's artstyle.It might get good later just like S1 did but it's hard to tell.

>>2796846It sounds cute and at least it's not the sound of a bodily function.

>>2796870>The CG is way better. Why do you people want it to be uglier?It's not as lively as S1's designs. Mine's designs just don't look good in 3D, that's why I think they should have went 2D for this season.

>>2796953>2D would look like a completely different show.That might be good though. Give it its own identity rather than try to copy superficial elements from the first season for familiarity/nostalgia.

>>2797022>That might be good though. Give it its own identity rather than try to copy superficial elements from the first season for familiarity/nostalgia.>Make the sequel for a show and make it look nothing like the original show.Sure, that makes a lot of sense.

>>2797074they are playing with fire, there are many ways to handle things with the sequel, that it was different and that it really did not try to insult the detractors, new story with new people, many sequels do that, people complain, but it's never anything important.

So I re-watched the first ep of S1 straight after the S2 ep to compare them.

The op is trying too hard to be cute and has none of the authenticity of the original.Original kemofure almost always focused on establishing then developing the relationships between the new friends that were introduced, alongside whatever else was going on, which was one of the reasons it generated so much yuri art. The new season shows no sign of that so far, being focused entirely on the MC's dilemma, conflict with ceruleans, and cutesy stuff in that order.Scriptwriting doesn't seem as good either. You're clubbed over the head with each friend's special skills, while it was worked more naturally in to the conversation in the original.There were some nice moments, like Kyu's drawing for Duck-chan, but so far S2 seems more shallow then the original.

>>2797530Did you even finish the series? The conversations in the first ep lay the groundwork for many of the themes and events to come and are directly relevant to the emotional climax of the story.

Almost the entire episode is Kaban and Serval interacting and building up their relationship, both cerulean fights serve that purpose, and even their conversation with Hippo developes their relationship because she advises Kaban not to rely on Serval for everything. All of which makes it believable when Serval chooses to leave her own habitat to travel with Kaban. You might find all of that boring but you can't say it didn't happen.

The S2 ep did not have anywhere near as much focus. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be bad, it just doesn't have the same charm so far.

After watching episode 1 of season two I'm afraid they are going to reveal it to be far in the future where Kaban / bagchan is dead (from old age or cerealian). Servial and the other apparently have much longer natural life spans than humans.

>>2798036I actually want that. That would mean theres still a possibility that Serval and Kaban lived a long and happy life together instead of just drifting apart after S1 ended.

I don't mind that Serval seems to have forgotten about most of their time together either, that's the type of immortality I actually hope humanity will achieve eventually. That way you can have a current lifetime's worth of happiness with the people around you and keep moving onwards without everything becoming dull.

>>2802453>What a meaningless episode.Well, yeah, like the whole first half of S1.Only thing bothering me so far is making the same plot with the two girls looking for them. I hope they don't stretch it to the end.

>>2802699More like 20 minutes of cuteness climaxing in gayness.Not every anime can be full-blown yuri, but shows like this make any season that much more pleasant.Just disregard people fussing over the former director on principle and enjoy the good points of the show.

>>2802704personally I would have preferred not to use Serval and only Caracal, that way it would be more personal, a new adventure in the park with new characters is not a bad idea, but cancel the end of s1, it's just silly.

>>2802717Pretty sure they're going somewhere with it, Serval mysteriously losing memory was also hinted at during S1 (when they heard Mirai's voice recording and she started crying), so rather than cancelling it, the ending was time-skipped and we're left wondering what on earth could've lead to the current predicament.I for one like this direction, it feels more unpredictable than just picking up where S1 left off; on the surface everything is just like it was during the previous season, but nothing actually is.

>>2802724I would have preferred S2 with new characters and with different dynamics, could help a little, leave Serval to the end or something like that.Exploring new areas of the park also helps a little, it also seems that the mystery is different from S1, Kaban did not have any memory of anything, here things are a little different.

>Serval mysteriously losing memory was also hinted at during S1 (when they heard Mirai's voice recording and she started crying)

the funny thing is how your VA was different in the recording, wait for them to use that gap in their favor and there may be a Celureal involved.

>>2802762S1 was not a masterpiece, it was good and it handled well, in the end it is an adaptation, S1 deserves time to work properly and it is more a set than small parts, let's wait as S2 progresses and I still complain about serval.

>>2803356That's part of the problem. It wants to carbon copy the first season and is failing on recreating the magic. It's trying to copy the first season's gags, failing and then shits on the story while feigning respect.

>>2803460not really, just copying the formula, does not mean that the first one was particularly good, but I think that new MC + Caracal, would have offered a different dynamic, because the personality of Caracal is different from Serval, the one that is left over is Serval ( which is the part to hook nostalgia)

>>2803587How can it be just as fun when they are using the exact same gags? Jokes get less funny the more you repeat them.>I kinda wish this season was just silly fun without a big plotThe big plot is what made the first season so popular, without it would cause even more hatred toward the sequel.

>>2803649>The big plot is what made the first season so popularOn west. Japan liked it for the silly part. Try to google news about that time. Most japanese people said they liked it because it was "different and healing".No one uses "healing" for action scenes.That's why Japan still likes it and west is being stupid. Truth be said, Japan are the only ones who ever liked KemoFure, west pretended to like because of the meme.Then they even forgot what the show was about.

>people on /u/ regretting Tatsuki's demiseEh, when tasked with working on an all-girls series, he created his original MC Kaban, and kept forcing the "guess Kaban's gender" meme even after the show was over. Now that he has free reign, what he ends up making is a het harem of all things.It's pretty clear what he's really into.

I say good riddance, thankfully he was cut off before he managed to pollute the series with forced het.

>>2803752>I say good riddance, thankfully he was cut off before he managed to pollute the series with forced het.I don't think that would have happened anyway. Mine would have probably gone against it. And it's not like males even exist in the KF world, all Friends are female and humans are probably near-extinct.

>>2803776>And it's not like males even exist in the KF world, all Friends are female and humans are probably near-extinct.Makes you wonder if Kaban would be a male if the show didn't had that setting. Tatsuki didn't create it, after all.

>>2803752Was Tatsuki really trying to force a meme about Kaban's gender being ambiguous? Even in the opening song I can see at least two shots where it looks like Kaban has small boobs. Seems intentional that we were always supposed to know she's female.

>>2803920Was it trending during the action scenes or did you pay attention during the action scenes? That's a good detail you might be overlooking there.

>>2804015He would want to make it in his shit studio with his ugly animation. We got something better.And the generic anime with a dude is clearly his dream project, as he has been building it for years.

>>2804046You can look up the trend history, it only trended during the action focused episodes. The Japanese tag went world trending only during the story heavy fights, especially when Kaban got absorbed.

>>2803683>Japan are the only ones who ever liked KemoFure, west pretended to like because of the meme.>Then they even forgot what the show was about.the western fandom being western.

>>2803752>I say good riddance, thankfully he was cut off before he managed to pollute the series with forced het.seriously, that really could have happened, he could even have turned that dead penguin into something too.

>>2804046>And the generic anime with a dude is clearly his dream project, as he has been building it for years.

the romance is stupid and the MC is even more stupid, add that to the bad CG, this is the real project that has nothing of the magic that KF S1 had and is a free project without restrictions.

>>2804057Kadokawa is not a single entity and has several people working there, so we can not demonize the entire company because of a conflict between a silly directive and a pretentious director.

>>2804069>trending only during the story heavy fights, especially when Kaban got absorbed.>ignoring that it was the last episodes, it has shock value and the action was secondary.

>>2804071the old story with the kind of people like Taksuki.the image reminds me that Manga was gay.

>>2804069You do know Japan was praising it around episode 3, right?Of course the scene with the most shocking moment will trend more. Because there were that much people watching it in the first place.

>>2804111For stupid drama, I mean the drama that made him fired.The show so far is exactly the same as S1 was at this point, so stop saying bullshit. I would actually say S1 was more of a kids' show at this point.

>>2804113Until episode 3, there was only gags in S1, too.You might be forgetting about it because you watched it for the meme like most of west, but here's an article written when the show became a hit in Japan:https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-02-24/kemono-friends-this-season-sleeper-hit/.112202

>Yet he also wanted to make an anime that "heals the exhaustion of work or school" and captures the "amusing feeling you get when you look at animals" through the characters' dialogue and interactions.>On one hand, it follows a familiar iyashi-kei formula: cute girls with simple, likeable and easily distinguishable personalities doing not much in a picturesque setting. Their cute clothing and art style and cheerful, innocent personalities (it's still not clear what Serval eats or how she hunts) places them firmly in the moe category: girly and sweet enough to put the viewer at ease while sexy enough to keep older male viewers coming back or fantasizing.>The combat that was so prevalent in the original game is almost absent, and male characters have yet to appear.

>>2804177She was in the process of growing her gloves back after the whole incident, humans don't grow clothes back normally. She had her clothes because she didn't take them off, but she did take off her gloves.

There's no need to doubt Kaban's gender at this point, the whole deal was probably Tatsuki alone trying hard to pretend he was making the het harem he always dreamed of.Now he's actually doing it and KF is safe from him, so it's the best possible outcome.

>>2804157This is all very enlightening. When the news was breaking, I just followed the Tatsuki drama through the /a/ threads and it was unanimous that Kadokawa screwed him over for some unclear reason that probably involved them wanting to use a more generic animation and writing style that, ironically, was speculated to add a male MC like what happened with Milky Holmes.

Reading this /u/ thread, things make more sense to me. It seems like Tatsuki is kind of a loose cannon who wants to have full creative control of whatever he's working on. He's better off working on his own IPs.

>>2805014>praising season. 2 for having shadows isn't fair.I have seen Anime being praised for less, but I do not know what the excuse is of not having shadows, Kiwi's video had shadows.

>>2805020Do the same people in the West who call it mediocre Anime, make tops where they do not understand why KM is popular in Japan and not TG?

I know generalizing is wrong, but Western fandom has not done much to not be considered bad, especially with the tendency to attack Anime Kodomo just because it is for children and pretend that Death Note is for adults.

>>2805020The ones who liked the show them recognize the new season isn't any different. But I saw people saying: "THE OLD SHOW WAS DARK, THIS IS SHIT!!!"

>>2805014Is it? I remember people saying that was natural because Tatsuki didn't make anime. That makes no sense, though, since he had done Kemurikusa original before that.And his studio was making KemoFure and KemoFure only at the time.

>>2805327>THE OLD SHOW WAS DARKJesus Christ, deeplorefags are fucking cancer, always trying to find a le deep meaning to every single fucking thingEpisode 4 onwards kankers should stay away from kf and go watch tatsukek's new 3deep5me show since that's what they came for.

>>2805790Come on, I'm not the only one who makes such stupid mistakes, anyone mistakes a letter, that even happens in professional advertising, I even remember people complaining about a misspelled word in the Dragon Ball Kai Opening.

I'm starting to think that Caracal is the one who does not fit into the Anime.

>>2805794>anyone mistakes a letterYou didn't "mistake a letter", you changed the name of a character by the name of a completely different character from an unrelated franchise. How the fuck does that happen?

Nothing gay this episode. Have to wait for the inevitable Campo FlickerxAardwolf fanart.By the way, I wonder if this ardwolf is the same we saw at the end of S1, where it was a normal animal rather than a Friend.

>>2819451I assume they're long arm gloves like in the original season, but even at the end of that when Kaban got reincarnated, she did have black fingertips for some strange reason. Must've singed herself a few times making those flaming paper airplanes (just because jungles are harder to set on fire doesn't mean she won't try).

>>2819611>Guess they believe the fairy tale about Tatsuki owning Kaban.I think it's worse, they think that Tatsuki is the owner and father of the franchise (Kenji Inafune, anyone?) They even attacked the character designer for making a drawing of Serval.

>>2820053>It was all praises to the director.It's good to see people who understand things and do not idolize the director of that mediocre Anime this season.

those idiots TVtropes had not updated the KF page for a long time, I know it is not a Wiki, but they can pretend to mature a little, stop glorifying garbage and then be surprised that it is something bad (not talking about KF)

>>2820093>the same designThis is an adult version, that's not the original Kaban owned by Tatsuki, it's an adult. It doesn't even make sense, she is still supposed to be a friend or the gloves wouldn't be growing.

>>2820331He doesn't. There's not "owning a design". You either own the character or you don't.I think you're implying that he owns the assets. And there you might be right. But that's not just Kaban, every other character too since the assets are all new.And no one wants his shit assets when the new studio makes prettier ones.