BTW, I don't know which book you ordered, but they don't equally examine the views I express here. Anarchic Harmony is more of a 100-page anti-authority, anti-convention rant than anything else, but I've always been fond of Robert Anton Wilson's introduction. Unconditional Freedom is a more in-depth explanation of my views. Please keep in mind that I wrote both of those about 20 years ago, so my views have changed and developed over that time.

Both of those books are now out of print and are now only available via the second-hand market. For something more current, you might try "Instant Enlightenment", available as a digital download from Lulu.com. Cheap, at $2.50, and brief (as the term "instant" indicates) at 40 pages. But, I don't get into any "explanation" in IE; it's more of just a how-to book.

--------------The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein (H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

BTW, I don't know which book you ordered, but they don't equally examine the views I express here. Anarchic Harmony is more of a 100-page anti-authority, anti-convention rant than anything else, but I've always been fond of Robert Anton Wilson's introduction. Unconditional Freedom is a more in-depth explanation of my views. Please keep in mind that I wrote both of those about 20 years ago, so my views have changed and developed over that time.

Both of those books are now out of print and are now only available via the second-hand market. For something more current, you might try "Instant Enlightenment", available as a digital download from Lulu.com. Cheap, at $2.50, and brief (as the term "instant" indicates) at 40 pages. But, I don't get into any "explanation" in IE; it's more of just a how-to book.

Elizabeth, on a single page Joe has used both barrels of the single gun he has.

1: A "totally different type of biology"2: It's the origin of CSI that matters!

These two points seem to be at the core of his argument, such as it is. He's been using them for years.

The first point is a reference to something Dawkins has said. And it seems because Dawkins said it Joe can use it over and over, immune to any counter argument. As can be seen on the thread currently. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....nt-8740You've already asked him why it matters, but you won't get an answer.

I think it's probably worth pressing Joe on the "origin" issue some more, the quote from Dembski a couple of pages back has it.

So Joe fixates on some quote and it becomes part of his routine. You'll never "unlearn" it from him.

Or will you....

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

I am experiencing a technical problem with comments. For example, WordPress won't let me post this fairly innocuous reply on the thread about the 2nd law. I preserve the WordPress formatting.

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I'd like to discuss this excerpt from Sewell's ENV piece: <blockquote>There are some problems, however. While one can certainly define a "poker entropy" as S_p = k_p log (W) and have a nice formula for entropy which increases when probability increases, why should the constant k_p used be equal to the Boltzmann constant k_B? In fact, it is not clear why poker entropy should have units of Joules/degree Kelvin. In the case of thermal entropy, the constant is chosen so that the statistical definition of thermal entropy agrees with the standard macroscopic definition. But there is no standard definition for poker entropy to match, so the constant k_p can be chosen arbitrarily. If we do arbitrarily set k_p = k_B, so that the units match, <strong>it still does not make any sense to add poker entropy and thermal entropy changes to see if the result is positive or not. It is not clear how the fact that thermal entropy is increasing in the rest of the universe makes it easier to get a highly improbable poker hand.</strong> Of course, all these problems also exist with respect to Styer and Bunn's analyses of the entropy associated with evolution; at least with poker entropy we don't have to take wild guesses at the probabilities involved.</blockquote>The confusion over the units, while funny, is a minor problem. It's the highlighted two sentences that are most interesting.

On a related note, could you add a thread opening privilege for me as well?

Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself. Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself. Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

i love those posts they make me lolroftlmaowtfbbq

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

There once was a homo called KeithsWho had strange posterior beliefsRavens, Bananas,Crammed up his pyjamasto ascertain whether Hempel's paradox expressed as a hypothesis is a true representation of inductive logic for a finite set of entities working under other a priori assumptions such as the uniformity of nature.

--------------And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G

I am experiencing a technical problem with comments. For example, WordPress won't let me post this fairly innocuous reply on the thread about the 2nd law. I preserve the WordPress formatting.

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I'd like to discuss this excerpt from Sewell's ENV piece: <blockquote>There are some problems, however. While one can certainly define a "poker entropy" as S_p = k_p log (W) and have a nice formula for entropy which increases when probability increases, why should the constant k_p used be equal to the Boltzmann constant k_B? In fact, it is not clear why poker entropy should have units of Joules/degree Kelvin. In the case of thermal entropy, the constant is chosen so that the statistical definition of thermal entropy agrees with the standard macroscopic definition. But there is no standard definition for poker entropy to match, so the constant k_p can be chosen arbitrarily. If we do arbitrarily set k_p = k_B, so that the units match, <strong>it still does not make any sense to add poker entropy and thermal entropy changes to see if the result is positive or not. It is not clear how the fact that thermal entropy is increasing in the rest of the universe makes it easier to get a highly improbable poker hand.</strong> Of course, all these problems also exist with respect to Styer and Bunn's analyses of the entropy associated with evolution; at least with poker entropy we don't have to take wild guesses at the probabilities involved.</blockquote>The confusion over the units, while funny, is a minor problem. It's the highlighted two sentences that are most interesting.

On a related note, could you add a thread opening privilege for me as well?

Done.

I still haven't got to the bottom of WordPress logic regarding holding posts for moderation.

But I do check in pretty regularly, and release the hostages asap.

The system does allow control over the flow of Joe G posts, so I'm inclined to put up with it for now.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlson off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Rich on April 14, 2012 at 11:27 pm said: I see my post asking Sal about Darwin’s puppy beating has been moved to “Guano” and I take great exception to this. Sal has the audacity to to post about “Rotteness (sic) in Creationism” and yet for many he exemplifies this. Whilst this may be regarded ad ad hominem, we are talking about character and integrity.