has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol

JPizzack

11-23-2009, 05:13 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol</P>

I dont even bother scouring the TAGF anymore except to get JG's articles in the morning lol.</P>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 05:17 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol</P>

I dont even bother scouring the TAGF anymore except to get JG's articles in the morning lol.</P>

</P>

i don't blame you.. its a mess, we win and people are still angry.. </P>

DavenIII

11-23-2009, 05:19 PM

2773 points in my other League.....take THAT Lando....lol

2 weeks ago in another league I scored 1570 points in one week!

Nice ....how many players ???

normal amount, they just muliply everything by 10, because they want all the yardage...

like a 13 yard run is 13 pts, and a TD instead of being 6 is 60.

DavenIII

11-23-2009, 05:20 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol

I like Gumby, we think alike often [:P]

JPizzack

11-23-2009, 05:21 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol</P>

I dont even bother scouring the TAGF anymore except to get JG's articles in the morning lol.</P>

</P>

i don't blame you.. its a mess, we win and people are still angry.. </P>

</P>

Makes you wonder if people would calm down if we were the equivalent of the Oakland Raiders. lol
Then again, we'd have to deal with Al Davis, and i dont have the patience for that ****!!! lmao</P>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 05:30 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol

I like Gumby, we think alike often [:P]
i like Gumby too..i'm thinking long lost twin.. so very similar in the way you 2 argue..

Kase-1

11-23-2009, 05:31 PM

Speaking for the kicking, Feagles son is a punter in college right?...so when he's ready, is he going to take over for his father? that would be awesome.
Imagine them both on the same team, itd be like Gordie Howe and his sons playing for the Whalers I believe
</p>

daven..fyi Gordie Howe is a famoussoccerlike player..</p>LMAO, he's the Pele or whoever you consider to be a famous soccer player of that funny mix between curling and soccer

LOL!!!!!!!

you mean somebody actually records history on that funky Ice Soccer game you canucks play?

Gordie Howe is a hilarious name btw, no wonder he's still remembered, it's his name not his skill at that weird game you guys play.
And your All Time Hands Down GREATEST player averaged only 5 goals per season..... What a pitiful sport

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 05:31 PM

has anyone else got into an arguement with Gumby742, is it just me that thinks him and Daven could be related or even maybe long lost twins lol</P>

I dont even bother scouring the TAGF anymore except to get JG's articles in the morning lol.</P>

</P>

i don't blame you.. its a mess, we win and people are still angry.. </P>

</P>

Makes you wonder if people would calm down if we were the equivalent of the Oakland Raiders. lol
Then again, we'd have to deal with Al Davis, and i dont have the patience for that ****!!! lmao</P>the way they act some weeks we are the Raiders.. they must be newer fans..

Kase-1

11-23-2009, 05:33 PM

Speaking for the kicking, Feagles son is a punter in college right?...so when he's ready, is he going to take over for his father? that would be awesome.
Imagine them both on the same team, itd be like Gordie Howe and his sons playing for the Whalers I believe
</p>

daven..fyi Gordie Howe is a famoussoccerlike player..</p>

LMAO, he's the Pele or whoever you consider to be a famous soccer player of that funny mix between curling and soccer

LOL!!!!!!!
</p>

did Pele knock people out with his elbows too.. man soccer is a rough sport.. </p>

LOL Pele knocked players out by rolling around on the ground pretending that he is injured and accidentally hitting them, gordie knocked people out with his hands
</p>

i assume you spent some time in the penalty box so how many Gordie Howe hat tricks did you get in your Hockey career..</p>LMAO, there were times that if I realized that I had a goal and an assist Id do everything in my power to scrap short of sucker-punching... So you can say I had alot of em, too bad it isnt an offical stat

For all the non fans of hockey 'Gordie Howe Hat Trick' - 1goal, 1assist &amp; 1 fight in the same game

<font color="#0000ff">Q. Were you ready for the opportunity to win the game in overtime?</font></p>

<font color="#0000ff">A. I have done it before. I am very, very glad and <u>we
are very unfortunate to have gotten the ball in overtime because the
way the Falcons were moving the football in the last quarter. I think
if they get the ball, they would have a pretty good chance of scoring.</u> I am just glad we won. I will fix whatever I need to fix, but I need to stop missing those short ones.</font> </p>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 06:21 PM

is that Milly or Vanilly</p>
http://www.moonbattery.com/milli_vanilli.jpg

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 06:25 PM

<FONT color=#0000ff>Q. Were you ready for the opportunity to win the game in overtime?</FONT></P>

<FONT color=#0000ff>A. I have done it before. I am very, very glad and <U>we are very unfortunate to have gotten the ball in overtime because the way the Falcons were moving the football in the last quarter. I think if they get the ball, they would have a pretty good chance of scoring.</U> I am just glad we won. I will fix whatever I need to fix, but I need to stop missing those short ones.</FONT> </P>

</P>

they have a thread going on about that, i cannot believe a kicker would say that... </P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 06:28 PM

they have a thread going on about that</p>

</p>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</p>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</p>

Sorry
</p>

</p>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 06:30 PM

they have a thread going on about that</P>

</P>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</P>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</P>

Sorry
</P>

</P>i didn't mean anything by it..your such a baby lol

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 06:33 PM

they have a thread going on about that</p>

</p>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</p>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</p>

Sorry
</p>

</p>i didn't mean anything by it..your such a baby lol
I was jk...this is getting awkward.

Morehead State

11-23-2009, 06:38 PM

is that Milly or Vanilly</P>

http://www.moonbattery.com/milli_vanilli.jpg

</P>

The one on the right committed suicide.</P>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 06:41 PM

they have a thread going on about that</P>

</P>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</P>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</P>

Sorry
</P>

</P>

i didn't mean anything by it..your such a baby lol
I was jk...this is getting awkward.
</P>

CJ = 10 points tonight..</P>

Morehead State

11-23-2009, 06:46 PM

they have a thread going on about that</P>

</P>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</P>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</P>

Sorry
</P>

</P>

i didn't mean anything by it..your such a baby lol
I was jk...this is getting awkward.
</P>

CJ = 10 points tonight..</P>

</P>

That would make you feel alot better, wouldn't it?</P>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 06:59 PM

they have a thread going on about that</P>

</P>

I know Mr. Doofus. lol</P>

I was just showing here for others that might not have seen the thread.</P>

Sorry
</P>

</P>

i didn't mean anything by it..your such a baby lol
I was jk...this is getting awkward.
</P>

CJ = 10 points tonight..</P>

</P>

That would make you feel alot better, wouldn't it?</P>

</P>

sure would take the rest of the sting out of VJack getting 5..Mendy's 18 was pretty soothing though</P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 07:05 PM

That would make you feel alot better, wouldn't it?</p>
Was that necessary? Hilarious though...

I wish I could see your face after CJ's 3rd 80 yd TD run. lol

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 07:06 PM

sure would take the rest of the sting out of VJack getting 5..Mendy's 18 was pretty soothing though</p>
Champ is the best statistical CB against a teams #1 WR.

Mendy is a pimp. It was sad to see him go. He will have a tough Sunday night though...

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 07:11 PM

sure would take the rest of the sting out of VJack getting 5..Mendy's 18 was pretty soothing though</P>
Champ is the best statistical CB against a teams #1 WR.

Mendy is a pimp. It was sad to see him go. He will have a tough Sunday night though...
maybe OR the loss of the qb may just mean more carries.. half full my friend

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 07:37 PM

sure would take the rest of the sting out of VJack getting 5..Mendy's 18 was pretty soothing though</p>
Champ is the best statistical CB against a teams #1 WR.

Mendy is a pimp. It was sad to see him go. He will have a tough Sunday night though...
maybe OR the loss of the qb may just mean more carries.. half full my friend
I like it. VJack plays the Chiefs also. [:)]

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 07:44 PM

sure would take the rest of the sting out of VJack getting 5..Mendy's 18 was pretty soothing though</P>

Champ is the best statistical CB against a teams #1 WR.

Mendy is a pimp. It was sad to see him go. He will have a tough Sunday night though...
maybe OR the loss of the qb may just mean more carries.. half full my friend
I like it. VJack plays the Chiefs also. [:)]
</P>

and Ocho the incredible plays the brownies woohooo you are going down..</P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 07:51 PM

you are going down..</p>
You better hope so or your playoff dreams are over.

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 07:57 PM

you are going down..</P>

You better hope so or your playoff dreams are over.
</P>

lol..PLAYOFFS YOU WANNA TALK yada yada yada.. you know the rest.</P>

i had my chance this week to get ahead of JPiz when he lost to Pats, that was my chance....the first time around with you it was Indy vs Jack's D and this time Indy vs Houston.. and why do i get to play you twice..why can't i play S&amp;A again..why why why.. </P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 10:00 PM

Lendale White!!! Awesome...lol

Morehead State

11-23-2009, 10:03 PM

Lendale White!!! Awesome...lol
</P>

CJ does all the heavy lifting and Lendale gets the gravy.</P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 10:35 PM

Lendale White!!! Awesome...lol
</p>

CJ does all the heavy lifting and Lendale gets the gravy.</p>
Yup!!! Another thing that sucks about FF. Put the man that got you down there in. ****

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 10:38 PM

Bad coaching by me this week...[:(]

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 10:40 PM

CJ 9 points....</P>

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 10:42 PM

If Schaub scores 19 more points LandoLight will be in 3rd place.

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 10:43 PM

kind of funny how a team can go 0-6 with one QB and 3-0 with another.. almost like they weren't playin for the 0-6 QB and forcing a change..

Yea wtf man, the Isles are kinda... uhhh better than garbage, im SHOCKED, this cant last for long
</p>

Tavares is a future star..</p>

Kase tell me you saw that soccer youtube video i posteda few pages back..</p>LOL yes I saw that, its RIDICULOUS

check THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtZ0MgiiJZM&amp;NR=1) one, the sound effects on the 1st highlight totally make the vid
just further proves soccer players are gay..LOL that sound effect literally made sprite come out of my nose

You know at the end of the soccer match they line up and cup each others balls

bigblue4417

11-23-2009, 11:46 PM

I hope this guy is clutch like Tynes.
lol exactly clutch like Tynes hahahahahha
He is not...****

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 11:52 PM

I hope this guy is clutch like Tynes.
lol exactly clutch like Tynes hahahahahha
He is not...****
clutch o matic

Morehead State

11-23-2009, 11:54 PM

I hope this guy is clutch like Tynes.
lol exactly clutch like Tynes hahahahahha
He is not...****
clutch o matic</P>

Love LandoLincoln, but he had to lose this week. </P>

bandwgn86

11-23-2009, 11:56 PM

I hope this guy is clutch like Tynes.
lol exactly clutch like Tynes hahahahahha
He is not...****
clutch o matic</P>

Love LandoLincoln, but he had to lose this week. </P>i agree.. i ouldn't mind him talking about him having a bye this week..how bout it LandoLincoln or aka LoL lol

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:21 AM

Even if I lose the next 2 by virtue of my insurmountable points lead I will have the 1st seed.

LandoLincoln is just fine.

P.S. Just for good measure I am going to put the Beatdown of the week on Bandy.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:50 AM

Also, upon further review I am not a bad coach. I put the blame on Jeff Fisher. Had he let the horse get the TD as Morehead stated I would have won. However he puts Lendale White in for an irrelevant TD therefore costing me the game. Thanks alot Jeff!!! lol

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 09:31 AM

Also, upon further review I am not a bad coach. I put the blame on Jeff Fisher. Had he let the horse get the TD as Morehead stated I would have won. However he puts Lendale White in for an irrelevant TD therefore costing me the game. Thanks alot Jeff!!! lol
</P>

It wasn't Jeff, it was the FF Gods.</P>

You will be a better man in the long run as a product of this experience.</P>

P.S. don't blame the trade, by my calulations, depending on who he started, he would have beaten you anyway.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:31 AM

Let me just make a few points here.</p>

1. Its hard to believe that a day after our kicker made a game winning FG in OT, everyone is whining about our kicker. I saw one post a few pages ago that claimed that 81% is pitiful Tynes is not a great kicker, but he's a solid NFL kicker. We aren'tgoing to do any better picking up a guy off the street.</p>

</p>

2. The problem with our defense has very little if anything to do with our DC. Our defense is now, and has always been dependent on our pass rush. The rush in the first half was very good and the defense played well as a product. In the second half it got steadily worse, until it was non existent in the 4th quarter.</p>

You can't give an NFL QB all day to find receivers. He WILL find them. No secondary can cover for ever.</p>

</p>

3. How can anyone complain about KG yesterday. We found a weekness in the Atlanta secondary and worked it all day. Our offense did a great job and the play calling was just fine.</p>

</p>

4. WE WON.. And it was a HUGE and DESPERATELY NEEDED win. Winning is</p>

what matters.</p>

</p>

From one week to another, NFL teams are hard to read. (like us) I expect a good performance on Thursday.</p>

BE HAPPY. (Plus Team Morehead is on a roll)</p>

a) our kicker is the reason we were into the overtime... its the same thing as the NFC championship game... all people remember is the last kick, what about the ones before it he missed... lets get real, hes the WORST in the league in FGs 20-39 yards.. its a fact lol infact hes the only one to of missed one form 20-29 yards that wasn't blocked!

b) na i agree... our issues is personel... i just hate how we don't mask our blitzes

c) i agree... Gilbride called a good game yesterday... a couple of questionable decisions... but he didn't kill us. Aggressive at the endzone, which is a change.

d) i am definitly happy, but probably not as happy as i should be... the fact that we almost blew it again is still hanging on me. It seems like teams can throw at will on us when they want to... it reminds me of hte 06 season.

I hope we can put it on the broncos
</p>

Once in a while, a kicker will miss short FG's.</p>

Tynes does it.</p>

Carney did it.</p>

Morton Anderson did it. (the greatest kicker of all time)</p>

Feely did it.</p>

Baar did it.</p>

Ali Haji Sheek did it.</p>

Pete Gogolak did it.</p>

He's not a great kicker. But you sound a little (actually a lot) like Daven with your "He's the worst kicker in the history of this or any other universe" point. Kind of like "we have the worst WR's in the NFL"</p>

Yessir....Downright Davenlike.</p>
lol i may sound like daven but ur coming across as a homer...

Usually kickers who are frantic and miss those easy ones can at least make up for it for being a deep weapon for long FGs... yea he doesn't have that either.

We dont even attempt a kick if its 50 or more. Nobody has missed more short kicks than Tynes and he can't kick a long ball... what exactly is so good about him that we wouldn't want to look else where?

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:36 AM

Once in a while, a kicker will miss short FG's.</p>

</p>

stop being stupid, yes, kickers miss field goals occasionally, noone questions that, the problem is Tynes misses more then most, and misses the easy ones more then anyone in the nfl right now....and that's unacceptable.
</p>

and on top of that, he has such a short leg that we don't even attempt 50 yarders with him. The last time he even attempted one was in 2006

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:39 AM

and Kase --- Boley was beasting yesterday.. looked good..

but it was against his former team.. he doesn't normally play that intensely.. if he does then he may be my next new jersey

Oh you KNOW I was happy bout that..... being the Boley Bandwagon leader that I was, now if we can only get (or mold) another 2 or 3 LBs like him

He def had a ROARING fire under his wahzoo yesterday, but he always plays consistently good with speed, power, and skill. In the games he played with us, he looks like our best LB since Jesse

whoa whoa whoa... don't take a mile when i give an inch lol...

lets not put him on Jesse's level yet lol..

i wouldn't even give him Michael Barrow's level yet

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 09:42 AM

i dont know. im more worried about how our defense gave up 2 tds in the last 6 mins of the game. </P>

im also not a big fan of michael johnson. never have been, to over aggressive </P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:43 AM

Once in a while, a kicker will miss short FG's.</p>

</p>

stop being stupid, yes, kickers miss field goals occasionally, noone questions that, the problem is Tynes misses more then most, and misses the easy ones more then anyone in the nfl right now....and that's unacceptable.
</p>

</p>

I watched my team give up a 14 point lead halfway through the 4th quarter and you guys for some inexplicable reason, are choosing to complain about the friggin kicker?</p>

And <u>I"M</u> the stupid one in your little scenario?</p>

"Oh...If we only had a better FG kicker....we'd be the friggin '85 Bears, its just not fair.....Wahhh!!"</p>

</p>

'Kicker' is about 23rd on the list of problems for our football team.</p>

nobody is saying the middle of the defense isn't a huge concern.. the topic at hand is the kicker tho... just like it is saftey play, defensive gameplanning, and linebacker coverage...

but to say kicker isn't a concern? That is surprising coming form u moorehead, honestly. Having somebody who obviously is never a lock for 3 points is a HUGE issue. I can't believe u'd even take that opinion

you cant really have a draft.. there isnt enough players... its pretty much like suicide pool and FF combined for playoffs..</p>

</p>

By the way Blondie. Could you PM your address to me so I can join the playoff pool.</p>

Thank you.</p>

well lookie who got the fantasy bug... and think, u use to be a hater

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:47 AM

Once in a while, a kicker will miss short FG's.</p>

</p>

stop being stupid, yes, kickers miss field goals occasionally, noone questions that, the problem is Tynes misses more then most, and misses the easy ones more then anyone in the nfl right now....and that's unacceptable.
</p>

</p>

I watched my team give up a 14 point lead halfway through the 4th quarter and you guys for some inexplicable reason, are choosing to complain about the friggin kicker?</p>

And <u>I"M</u> the stupid one in your little scenario?</p>

"Oh...If we only had a better FG kicker....we'd be the friggin '85 Bears, its just not fair.....Wahhh!!"</p>

</p>

'Kicker' is about 23rd on the list of problems for our football team.</p>

Our kicking AND punting are suspect and high on the list of problems but LBs and Safety's are much more so a priority, as well as our O-Line's inconsistency, what we can only win the trench battle when we play D-Lines full of suckers like ATL?!?!?!?!
</p>

1. coverage in the secondary</p>

2. pass rush</p>

3. Getting Pierce back</p>

4. Losing Phillips</p>

5. Consistency at QB</p>

6. Lane dicipline on the D line</p>

7. Fans like Daven</p>

8. Linebacker depth</p>

9. Matt's curse on Eli</p>

10. O line not playing as well as last year</p>

11. BJ having an off year</p>

12. Dissapearance of Bradshaw</p>

13. Getting Ware more involved in the offense</p>

14. Hixon not returning kicks like he used to.</p>

15. Beer prices at the Stadium</p>

16. Spikes getting stuck in turf a lot on the home field</p>

17. No veteran WR's</p>

18. Kick off coverage</p>

19. PSL's</p>

20. Eli's messy hair</p>

21. What am I cooking for dinner tonight?</p>

22. Making sure Dezz beats Lando tonight</p>

23. Tynes consistency.</p>

</p>

See....I was right.</p>

Blondie's curse... just look at her fantasy teams, baseball team once she saw them live, and hand shaking eli...

BLONDIES curse.

having a kicker miss 4 FGs by week 11 from the 20-39 yard range is a HUGE problem. Especially cuz his leg is so weak that he hasn't even attempted a 50 yarder in 3 years

patsrule666

11-24-2009, 09:49 AM

Matt- Make sure you get your pick in. We are down to crunch time now.</P>

Cheryl has made it very clear that she would not be calling me to get your pick anymore..lol. She can be ornary like that sometimes...</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:49 AM

how the F does a starting rb vs the Jaguars D end up with -1 point!!! 5-6 i can understand but really -1!
I told you to play Roy W.

I can't believe TO went off like that...
</p>

great play by me to pick up jags def right before kick off and start them LOL</p>
And Favre of course...[;)]

Great work kid, but I don't think you will catch MMB. Sorry

damn straight.. be ready to serve me blondie...

get ur heads out of the gutter

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:51 AM

Plus Lando loses credibility after he told me I would be stupid to start Snelling over Driver in the flex position on my team.</p>

That was not sound advice sir. I was trying to sabotage you. I noticed before the games started you changed it back. I was not happy about it....lol
</p>

I changed it at about 12:30. Just before the games. That was a +17 point decision. (I still would have won but it would have been much more stressful) This is the first time in a long while that I have nothing riding on the Monday night game.</p>

And I am very thankful!</p>

Not me. I want see CJ go CRAZY!!!
</p>

As i said yesterday, after all his "bye" talk last week it would be appropriate for Lando to lose by one point to Dezz.</p>

And as I said yesterday, all that talk was before his great trade. I would not have made those comments with the team he has now. One point though? That is kind of barbaric...
</p>

The trade helped both of us. I am now officially "LandoLight"</p>

</p>

There's going to be a game in the next few eeks where Addai doesn't score and get something like 3 or 4 points. Thats what I was trying to avoid with that trade.</p>

Landos team chokes first game in the playoffs.. u heard it here first

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 09:52 AM

Let me just make a few points here.</P>

1. Its hard to believe that a day after our kicker made a game winning FG in OT, everyone is whining about our kicker. I saw one post a few pages ago that claimed that 81% is pitiful Tynes is not a great kicker, but he's a solid NFL kicker. We aren'tgoing to do any better picking up a guy off the street.</P>

</P>

2. The problem with our defense has very little if anything to do with our DC. Our defense is now, and has always been dependent on our pass rush. The rush in the first half was very good and the defense played well as a product. In the second half it got steadily worse, until it was non existent in the 4th quarter.</P>

You can't give an NFL QB all day to find receivers. He WILL find them. No secondary can cover for ever.</P>

</P>

3. How can anyone complain about KG yesterday. We found a weekness in the Atlanta secondary and worked it all day. Our offense did a great job and the play calling was just fine.</P>

</P>

4. WE WON.. And it was a HUGE and DESPERATELY NEEDED win. Winning is</P>

what matters.</P>

</P>

From one week to another, NFL teams are hard to read. (like us) I expect a good performance on Thursday.</P>

BE HAPPY. (Plus Team Morehead is on a roll)</P>

a) our kicker is the reason we were into the overtime... its the same thing as the NFC championship game... all people remember is the last kick, what about the ones before it he missed... lets get real, hes the WORST in the league in FGs 20-39 yards.. its a fact lol infact hes the only one to of missed one form 20-29 yards that wasn't blocked!

b) na i agree... our issues is personel... i just hate how we don't mask our blitzes

c) i agree... Gilbride called a good game yesterday... a couple of questionable decisions... but he didn't kill us. Aggressive at the endzone, which is a change.

d) i am definitly happy, but probably not as happy as i should be... the fact that we almost blew it again is still hanging on me. It seems like teams can throw at will on us when they want to... it reminds me of hte 06 season.

I hope we can put it on the broncos
</P>

Once in a while, a kicker will miss short FG's.</P>

Tynes does it.</P>

Carney did it.</P>

Morton Anderson did it. (the greatest kicker of all time)</P>

Feely did it.</P>

Baar did it.</P>

Ali Haji Sheek did it.</P>

Pete Gogolak did it.</P>

He's not a great kicker. But you sound a little (actually a lot) like Daven with your "He's the worst kicker in the history of this or any other universe" point. Kind of like "we have the worst WR's in the NFL"</P>

Yessir....Downright Davenlike.</P>

lol i may sound like daven but ur coming across as a homer...

Usually kickers who are frantic and miss those easy ones can at least make up for it for being a deep weapon for long FGs... yea he doesn't have that either.

We dont even attempt a kick if its 50 or more. Nobody has missed more short kicks than Tynes and he can't kick a long ball... what exactly is so good about him that we wouldn't want to look else where?
</P>

I am definately a Giants homer. And unapologetic about it. But our defenitions of "homer" may be different.</P>

Honestly, complaining about the kicker, KG and Sheridan are all very cliche and unoriginal to me.</P>

So I challenge it when I see it. I don't really think that Tynes is all that good of a kicker, nor however do I think he's "the worst kicker in the NFL". The guy is over 80% and has made 2 game winning kicks this year. And under that kind of pressure (especially the Dallas kick) thats not a small thing.</P>

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?</P>

The grass is always greener, babe......</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:53 AM

Could it be a 14 team league next year with Shockey Show and Shep?</p>

14 teams is too many... it SUCKS.. im in one now and there is never anyone too pick up or anything is bad... im probably gonna run 2 next year unless some people drop out (which im hoping not!) well just have to divide it up into 2 leagues of maybe 10 people each, i know other people were intrested too</p>

yea 14 team leagues do suck...

so do flex leagues... just sayin

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 09:54 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.
</P>

that would be ****ing awesome..... mayweathers a ****ing beast.</P>
It would be the most watched fight ever probably. Pacmans last fight had 125 million PPV's
you mean mayweathers not ducking a good fighter?!?! wow. im impressed.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 09:55 AM

Wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9705) says he's not sorry for berating Knowshon Moreno (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12516) after the rookie running back fumbled at the goal line during the Broncos' 32-3 loss to the San Diego Chargers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg) on Sunday.</p>

Moreno finally gave Marshall a two-handed shove to get away.</p>

Marshall
says the Broncos need to look in the mirror, figure out what's wrong
and go about fixing things Thanksgiving night when the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg), who are also 6-4, visit Invesco Field.</p>

I hope Webby is ready

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 09:55 AM

Could it be a 14 team league next year with Shockey Show and Shep?</P>

14 teams is too many... it SUCKS.. im in one now and there is never anyone too pick up or anything is bad... im probably gonna run 2 next year unless some people drop out (which im hoping not!) well just have to divide it up into 2 leagues of maybe 10 people each, i know other people were intrested too</P>

yea 14 team leagues do suck...

so do flex leagues... just sayin
</P>

I had no opinion before when the structure of the league was set, for obvious reasons. But it now seems to me that having the field 3 WR's would be a bit more interesting.</P>

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 09:58 AM

Wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9705) says he's not sorry for berating Knowshon Moreno (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12516) after the rookie running back fumbled at the goal line during the Broncos' 32-3 loss to the San Diego Chargers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg) on Sunday.</P>

Moreno finally gave Marshall a two-handed shove to get away.</P>

Marshall says the Broncos need to look in the mirror, figure out what's wrong and go about fixing things Thanksgiving night when the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg), who are also 6-4, visit Invesco Field.</P>

I hope Webby is ready
with chris simms throwing the ball, i like this match up.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 10:02 AM

Wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9705) says he's not sorry for berating Knowshon Moreno (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12516) after the rookie running back fumbled at the goal line during the Broncos' 32-3 loss to the San Diego Chargers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg) on Sunday.</P>

Moreno finally gave Marshall a two-handed shove to get away.</P>

Marshall says the Broncos need to look in the mirror, figure out what's wrong and go about fixing things Thanksgiving night when the New York Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyg), who are also 6-4, visit Invesco Field.</P>

I hope Webby is ready
with chris simms throwing the ball, i like this match up.</P>

Do we know who is playing QB for Denver on Thursday? Orton isn't on the injury report.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:04 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between
pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the
first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard
Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i
think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive
mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned
him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:08 AM

<font color="#0000ff">Q. Were you ready for the opportunity to win the game in overtime?</font></p>

<font color="#0000ff">A. I have done it before. I am very, very glad and <u>we
are very unfortunate to have gotten the ball in overtime because the
way the Falcons were moving the football in the last quarter. I think
if they get the ball, they would have a pretty good chance of scoring.</u> I am just glad we won. I will fix whatever I need to fix, but I need to stop missing those short ones.</font> </p>

oh ok.. Tynes passively blamed the defense while taking minimal blame for missing the short ones..

and u thought this would help ur argument? lol

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 10:15 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:17 AM

i dont know. im more worried about how our defense gave up 2 tds in the last 6 mins of the game. </p>

im also not a big fan of michael johnson. never have been, to over aggressive </p>

honestly i am probably more worried about the fact that we get thrown on like they are running pregame routes, but still having a kicker that sucks is also a major concern

over aggressive? I guess, except when it comes to the point of contact hes as vicious as a puppy

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:17 AM

I didn't think it would help my argument. I don't have one. I love our kicker.

Trent Dilfer was pissed last night. Kicker has one job, blah blah blah. I also found something he said interesting. Something to the effect of "You can't miss 2 in a row. If you miss the last one make sure you make the next one."

Regardless is it inexcusable to miss a FG shorter than 30 yards in my mind. That is your only job. However as I stated Lawrence Party Tynes is clutch. You know he will make the game winner.

Jay Feely anyone? I don't recall who the kicker was before him but I would take Tynes over that guy to.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:18 AM

Matt- Make sure you get your pick in. We are down to crunch time now.</p>

Cheryl has made it very clear that she would not be calling me to get your pick anymore..lol. She can be ornary like that sometimes...</p>

i sent her my picks for the rest of the year lol. I told her if I have to change it I would

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:19 AM

Notre Dame (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=87) quarterback Jimmy Clausen (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=231813)
was punched in the face by an irate fan outside a South Bend restaurant
early Sunday morning and has a swollen eye, a person briefed on the
incident said on Monday.</p>

That person said Clausen was "sucker-punched" by a fan as he left an establishment after having dinner with his parents.</p>

WOW!!!
</p>

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:21 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

noooooooooo, he is not. dont get me wrong, hes a great, great fighter. but he has ducked quite a few fighters.this fight should of been sched a year and a half ago. </P>

rayrobinson, ali, marciano and maaaybe tyson. there is no best.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:22 AM

I am definately a Giants homer. And unapologetic about it. But our defenitions of "homer" may be different.</p>

Honestly, complaining about the kicker, KG and Sheridan are all very cliche and unoriginal to me.</p>

So I challenge it when I see it. I don't really think that Tynes is all that good of a kicker, nor however do I think he's "the worst kicker in the NFL". The guy is over 80% and has made 2 game winning kicks this year. And under that kind of pressure (especially the Dallas kick) thats not a small thing.</p>

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?</p>

The grass is always greener, babe......</p>

Well im not trying to be cliche.. when I complain its because somebdoy isn't doing their job well enough. Complaining that the kicker misses more short FGs than any other kicker in the league and is so mediocre that we dont even attempt long balls with him. That may be unoriginal, but unfortunately its also true and a major issue.

over 80% is really not that good, especially when you don't attempt long kicks and have the most misses from 20-39 yards lol... thats not a good thing moorehead.

well see by that theory tho moorehead, he would of hit the 25 yarder that Tynes missed and we wouldn't of even needed a game winning field goal... babe....

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:23 AM

Lendale White had 2 carries for 4 yards and 1 TD. THIEF!!!

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/50/506049.jpg

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:23 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.
</p>

that would be ****ing awesome..... mayweathers a ****ing beast.</p>
It would be the most watched fight ever probably. Pacmans last fight had 125 million PPV's
you mean mayweathers not ducking a good fighter?!?! wow. im impressed.

yea Pacman called him out pubically and said he was scared to fight him, the only thing he could of done...

if he didnt, Mayweather wouldn't of done it.. I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:25 AM

I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

He sure is a baby about his dad though...

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:26 AM

i dont know. im more worried about how our defense gave up 2 tds in the last 6 mins of the game. </P>

im also not a big fan of michael johnson. never have been, to over aggressive </P>

honestly i am probably more worried about the fact that we get thrown on like they are running pregame routes, but still having a kicker that sucks is also a major concern

over aggressive? I guess, except when it comes to the point of contact hes as vicious as a puppy
when a wr or tightend give him a juke he falls for it every time, or bites on play action constantly

I am definately a Giants homer. And unapologetic about it. But our defenitions of "homer" may be different.</P>

Honestly, complaining about the kicker, KG and Sheridan are all very cliche and unoriginal to me.</P>

So I challenge it when I see it. I don't really think that Tynes is all that good of a kicker, nor however do I think he's "the worst kicker in the NFL". The guy is over 80% and has made 2 game winning kicks this year. And under that kind of pressure (especially the Dallas kick) thats not a small thing.</P>

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?</P>

The grass is always greener, babe......</P>

Well im not trying to be cliche.. when I complain its because somebdoy isn't doing their job well enough. Complaining that the kicker misses more short FGs than any other kicker in the league and is so mediocre that we dont even attempt long balls with him. That may be unoriginal, but unfortunately its also true and a major issue.

over 80% is really not that good, especially when you don't attempt long kicks and have the most misses from 20-39 yards lol... thats not a good thing moorehead.

well see by that theory tho moorehead, he would of hit the 25 yarder that Tynes missed and we wouldn't of even needed a game winning field goal... babe....
</P>

All fans hate their team's kicker. Its just too friggin easy. As I said, the kicker is way down the list of problems for our team.</P>

Do I have to bring back the list? You are on it.</P>

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:31 AM

Lendale White had 2 carries for 4 yards and 1 TD. THIEF!!!

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/50/506049.jpg

</P>

<FONT size=4>"Lando thinks he can bash my boy Dezz. I'll fry his ***".......</FONT>Coach Fisher</P>thats my man right there. he knows what its like putting up with white. lol

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:31 AM

LOL, stop Morehead.

These are the breaks I guess.

Matt still had the all time worst story last year. I don't recall the details, just the pain.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:32 AM

thats my man right there.
Nice win and even better trade. Good job. Now win your last 2 playa.

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:34 AM

thats my man right there.
Nice win and even better trade. Good job. Now win your last 2 playa.

im making the playoffs plaaaya. lol

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 10:36 AM

thats my man right there.
Nice win and even better trade. Good job. Now win your last 2 playa.

im making the playoffs plaaaya. lol</P>

Lets not get crazy. 6 losses will be the cut off in my opinion.</P>

Plus you have me on the last week. Team Morehead is just too strong.</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 10:39 AM

Plus you have me on the last week.
</p>
Be careful, those bye weeks are tough.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 10:45 AM

Plus you have me on the last week.
</P>

Be careful, those bye weeks are tough.
</P>

I will bring it both weeks. I NEED the #2 seed. And Scrappy is nipping at my heals.</P>

patsrule666

11-24-2009, 10:46 AM

Is BJ ready to go for this game? </P>

You guys should really be nice to your kicker..You may very well need him in this tough matchup..</P>

The G-Men better hope and pray that the Broncos dont wear those **** brown uniforms....lol.</P>

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:50 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.
</P>

that would be ****ing awesome..... mayweathers a ****ing beast.</P>

It would be the most watched fight ever probably. Pacmans last fight had 125 million PPV's
you mean mayweathers not ducking a good fighter?!?! wow. im impressed.

yea Pacman called him out pubically and said he was scared to fight him, the only thing he could of done...

if he didnt, Mayweather wouldn't of done it.. I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...
i agree i dont think he is either, but because he thinks hes "the best fighter of all time" i think he feels all the rest arentworthy enoughto fight which is stupid. i seriously believe floyd has mental issues. he is a crack baby after all. </P>

i like pacman. i didnt like him knocking the **** out of hatton(my favorite boxer at the time cause i like his brawling style and he never backed up). when he did i was cracking up though. just wow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JxaN-ilJ-Q</P>

http://code2ave.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/smokey.jpg</P>

pacman timed it perfect. right after hatton was "palming hisglove"if you will (he does that alot during a fight) a wicked left. i want a rematch, hattons better then that.</P>

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 10:51 AM

thats my man right there.
Nice win and even better trade. Good job. Now win your last 2 playa.

im making the playoffs plaaaya. lol</P>

Lets not get crazy. 6 losses will be the cut off in my opinion.</P>

Plus you have me on the last week. Team Morehead is just too strong.</P>lmao. well see old man.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 10:53 AM

thats my man right there.
Nice win and even better trade. Good job. Now win your last 2 playa.

im making the playoffs plaaaya. lol</P>

Lets not get crazy. 6 losses will be the cut off in my opinion.</P>

Plus you have me on the last week. Team Morehead is just too strong.</P>

lmao. well see old man.</P>

I looked at the schedule. You do have a shot, but its going to be tough.</P>

I will DEFINATELY need that one also.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:56 AM

Could it be a 14 team league next year with Shockey Show and Shep?</p>

14 teams is too many... it SUCKS.. im in one now and there is never anyone too pick up or anything is bad... im probably gonna run 2 next year unless some people drop out (which im hoping not!) well just have to divide it up into 2 leagues of maybe 10 people each, i know other people were intrested too</p>

yea 14 team leagues do suck...

so do flex leagues... just sayin
</p>

I had no opinion before when the structure of the league was set, for obvious reasons. But it now seems to me that having the field 3 WR's would be a bit more interesting.</p>

it does, it takes less of a strain off of RBs.. which avoids having a RB fueled league and puts more on the WRs and QBs...

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 10:58 AM

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?

The grass is always greener, babe......</p>

after watching last nights game I can say for sure that I'd MUCH rather have Kris Brown as our kicker then Tynes.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 10:58 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</p>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</p>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</p>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</p>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..

patsrule666

11-24-2009, 10:58 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.
</P>

that would be ****ing awesome..... mayweathers a ****ing beast.</P>

It would be the most watched fight ever probably. Pacmans last fight had 125 million PPV's
you mean mayweathers not ducking a good fighter?!?! wow. im impressed.

yea Pacman called him out pubically and said he was scared to fight him, the only thing he could of done...

if he didnt, Mayweather wouldn't of done it.. I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...
i agree i dont think he is either, but because he thinks hes "the best fighter of all time" i think he feels all the rest arentworthy enoughto fight which is stupid. i seriously believe floyd has mental issues. he is a crack baby after all. </P>

i like pacman. i didnt like him knocking the **** out of hatton(my favorite boxer at the time cause i like his brawling style and he never backed up). when he did i was cracking up though. just wow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JxaN-ilJ-Q</P>

http://code2ave.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/smokey.jpg</P>

pacman timed it perfect. right after hatton was "palming hisglove"if you will (he does that alot during a fight) a wicked left. i want a rematch, hattons better then that.</P>Wow it looks like he just flicked that left out there and nailed him hard...he had his head down when he threw it. lol.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:00 AM

I didn't think it would help my argument. I don't have one. I love our kicker.

Trent Dilfer was pissed last night. Kicker has one job, blah blah blah. I also found something he said interesting. Something to the effect of "You can't miss 2 in a row. If you miss the last one make sure you make the next one."

Regardless is it inexcusable to miss a FG shorter than 30 yards in my mind. That is your only job. However as I stated Lawrence Party Tynes is clutch. You know he will make the game winner.

Jay Feely anyone? I don't recall who the kicker was before him but I would take Tynes over that guy to.

and as we stated, missing two fgs in the 4th quarter of an NFC championship game is NOT clutch...

he is a professional, eventually, statistically, he was gonna make one...

hes just not that good of a professional.. anymore at least

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:00 AM

it does, it takes less of a strain off of RBs.. which avoids having a RB fueled league and puts more on the WRs and QBs...

I like the added strategy of having the Flex personally, but I've played in all types, but really, I'm actually really hoping we get a 14-16 player league next year, the more players the more fun imho....I like looking for 3rd WR's and 3rd Down backs (like Kevin Faulk types) to start because the league is so deep.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:02 AM

I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

He sure is a baby about his dad though...

how do u mean?

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:02 AM

i dont know. im more worried about how our defense gave up 2 tds in the last 6 mins of the game. </p>

im also not a big fan of michael johnson. never have been, to over aggressive </p>

honestly i am probably more worried about the fact that we get thrown on like they are running pregame routes, but still having a kicker that sucks is also a major concern

over aggressive? I guess, except when it comes to the point of contact hes as vicious as a puppy
when a wr or tightend give him a juke he falls for it every time, or bites on play action constantly

i think that just means he sucks lol

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:03 AM

I am definately a Giants homer. And unapologetic about it. But our defenitions of "homer" may be different.</p>

Honestly, complaining about the kicker, KG and Sheridan are all very cliche and unoriginal to me.</p>

So I challenge it when I see it. I don't really think that Tynes is all that good of a kicker, nor however do I think he's "the worst kicker in the NFL". The guy is over 80% and has made 2 game winning kicks this year. And under that kind of pressure (especially the Dallas kick) thats not a small thing.</p>

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?</p>

The grass is always greener, babe......</p>

Well im not trying to be cliche.. when I complain its because somebdoy isn't doing their job well enough. Complaining that the kicker misses more short FGs than any other kicker in the league and is so mediocre that we dont even attempt long balls with him. That may be unoriginal, but unfortunately its also true and a major issue.

over 80% is really not that good, especially when you don't attempt long kicks and have the most misses from 20-39 yards lol... thats not a good thing moorehead.

well see by that theory tho moorehead, he would of hit the 25 yarder that Tynes missed and we wouldn't of even needed a game winning field goal... babe....
</p>

All fans hate their team's kicker. Its just too friggin easy. As I said, the kicker is way down the list of problems for our team.</p>

Do I have to bring back the list? You are on it.</p>

okay but again... hating the kicker has nothign to do with it..

when your kicker leads the league in misses from 20-39 yards and he isn't good enough to even attempt a long kick.... its beyond a cliche of "everyteam hates their kicker"

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:04 AM

LOL, stop Morehead.

These are the breaks I guess.

Matt still had the all time worst story last year. I don't recall the details, just the pain.

half point teabag.. in playoffs.. goin for the threepeat

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:06 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
28-34,35 is a boxers prime. ali was suspended for a good amount of his prime without a doubt.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:06 AM

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?

The grass is always greener, babe......</p>

after watching last nights game I can say for sure that I'd MUCH rather have Kris Brown as our kicker then Tynes.

any day of the week

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:07 AM

i dont know. im more worried about how our defense gave up 2 tds in the last 6 mins of the game. </P>

im also not a big fan of michael johnson. never have been, to over aggressive </P>

honestly i am probably more worried about the fact that we get thrown on like they are running pregame routes, but still having a kicker that sucks is also a major concern

over aggressive? I guess, except when it comes to the point of contact hes as vicious as a puppy
when a wr or tightend give him a juke he falls for it every time, or bites on play action constantly

i think that just means he sucks lol
hence why im not a big fan. haha

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 11:08 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</P>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</P>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</P>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</P>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:10 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 11:10 AM

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?

The grass is always greener, babe......</P>

after watching last nights game I can say for sure that I'd MUCH rather have Kris Brown as our kicker then Tynes.

any day of the week
</P>

You mean the guy thatcost them two straight games?</P>

Each kicker has had two chances to win or tie a game for their team on the last play of the game.</P>

Tynes is 2-0. Brown is 0-2.</P>

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now.</P>

Scrappy and Scrappy-Lite.</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:12 AM

I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

He sure is a baby about his dad though...

how do u mean?

His dad was his trainer and he fired him and all this bull****. You don't remember? He was being a baby.

ShockeyShow

11-24-2009, 11:15 AM

And finally, after serious devotion, dedication and perseverance, Lebron has risen from the depth of my saved files to once again claim his rightful spot in my avatar!

It only took 8 tries....what the hell is going on with this server lately?

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:18 AM

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?

The grass is always greener, babe......</P>

after watching last nights game I can say for sure that I'd MUCH rather have Kris Brown as our kicker then Tynes.

any day of the week
</P>

You mean the guy thatcost them two straight games?</P>

Each kicker has had two chances to win or tie a game for their team on the last play of the game.</P>

Tynes is 2-0. Brown is 0-2.</P>

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now.</P>

Scrappy and Scrappy-Lite.</P>i think we could use an upgrade kicker, tynes isnt the worst there is but he has been shanking big kicks lately. but to blame tynes for putting us in ot is wrong. eli over threw boss in the endzonetwice on that drive. if you going to blame tynes, might as well blame eli while were at it

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:19 AM

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. </p>
Stop making sense. They are worried about 29 yard FG's, not game winners.

This is much more important than our Swiss cheese defense in the 4th quarter of games.

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:20 AM

I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

He sure is a baby about his dad though...

how do u mean?

His dad was his trainer and he fired him and all this bull****. You don't remember? He was being a baby.
oh God the both of them argue and ***** like women. its a joke. lol theyre both crack heads.

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:20 AM

Tynes MAKES the game close by missing easy kicks, Kris Brown is being asked to WIN games for Houston by making long kicks.

if Houston had Tynes instead of Brown, they wouldn't have even ATTEMPTED to win the games there, if we had Kris Brown we never would have needed the last second field goals because he wouldn't have missed the 20-30 yarders earlier in the game.

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:21 AM

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. </p>
Stop making sense. They are worried about 29 yard FG's, not game winners.

This is much more important than our Swiss cheese defense in the 4th quarter of games.

the only reason he had the chance to kick these game winners is because he failed to make the easier ones during the course of the game, do you "LIKE" the fact that our FG kicker misses more short kicks then any other kicker in the NFL...

you and Morehead are acting like its a GOOD thing that Tynes misses easy FG's.

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:22 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</P>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</P>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</P>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</P>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</P>hey the way he fought in the foreman fight why would he want to hang them up?

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:23 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:23 AM

it does, it takes less of a strain off of RBs.. which avoids having a RB fueled league and puts more on the WRs and QBs...

I like the added strategy of having the Flex personally, but I've played in all types, but really, I'm actually really hoping we get a 14-16 player league next year, the more players the more fun imho....I like looking for 3rd WR's and 3rd Down backs (like Kevin Faulk types) to start because the league is so deep.

14 team flex leagues sound like the worst fantasy football experience in the world... could that make it any MORE of a running back league...

ShockeyShow

11-24-2009, 11:23 AM

BUMAYE ALI!

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:26 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</p>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</p>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</p>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</p>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</p>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</p>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</p>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</p>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</p>

na I hear ya.. i mean trust me im not taking anything away form Ali... but Mayweathers speed, strength, and accuracy is unmatched. Its like people can throw whatever they want at him and he lauhs at them... and the strength, accuracy and speed all gets better as the fight goes on... hes a freak

ShockeyShow

11-24-2009, 11:28 AM

Hey Moorehead, I saw your girl Gogo on Spike last night.....and might I say, Damn MAN! She is sexy as hell in that school girl outfit and casting all those devious looks/smiles!

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:28 AM

it does, it takes less of a strain off of RBs.. which avoids having a RB fueled league and puts more on the WRs and QBs...

I like the added strategy of having the Flex personally, but I've played in all types, but really, I'm actually really hoping we get a 14-16 player league next year, the more players the more fun imho....I like looking for 3rd WR's and 3rd Down backs (like Kevin Faulk types) to start because the league is so deep.

14 team flex leagues sound like the worst fantasy football experience in the world... could that make it any MORE of a running back league...

14x3=42....there are nowhere near 42 good starting RB's stop it...people will be flexing 3rd WR's before 3rd RB's that's for sure.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:29 AM

Do you "LIKE" the fact that our FG kicker misses more short kicks then any other kicker in the NFL...

No, I don't. I hate it. It pisses me off more than anything obviously. There is no excuse for that and he should never miss them but I would rather have a kicker that misses the easy ones and nails the clutch ones ala Tynes than one who nails the easy ones and misses the game winners ala Brown.

Nate Kaeding is the most accurate kicker in the NFL right now. We could have had him. lol

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 11:29 AM

morning boys!

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:29 AM

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. </P>

Stop making sense. They are worried about 29 yard FG's, not game winners.

This is much more important than our Swiss cheese defense in the 4th quarter of games.
[Y]</P>

http://www.orble.com/images/swiss-cheese11.jpg</P>

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:31 AM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:31 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

News: Tynes made 2-of-3 field goals including the game-winner in overtime, but missed a 31-yarder.
Spin:
Tynes has been shaky so far this season, and is probably another bad
miss or two from being cut. For now, he's still the team's lone kicker.

ESPNs opinion... just saying...

and im sorry, making a 31 yarder in overtime isn't clutch because

A) its a 31 yarder, if you can't make it, you dont deserve to be in the pros,
B) he just missed a previous 31 yarder, its called trying to not get cut

ShockeyShow

11-24-2009, 11:34 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</p>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</p>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</p>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</p>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</p>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</p>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</p>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</p>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</p>

na I hear ya.. i mean trust me im not taking anything away form Ali... but Mayweathers speed, strength, and accuracy is unmatched. Its like people can throw whatever they want at him and he lauhs at them... and the strength, accuracy and speed all gets better as the fight goes on... hes a freak

This will be a helluva fight, Pacquiao is the only person strong, quick, and agile enough to counter Mayweather's speed and precision.

Mayweather needs to take this fight to establish himself as the best boxer of all time, because up to this point, his only real notable wins were against Diego Corrales, Luis Castillo and De La Hoya....and while those were all huge fights, this is BY FAR his toughest opponent he will face in his career, and he needs to beat the best pound for pound in the world before he goes down as the greatest of all time.

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:34 AM

No, I don't. I hate it. It pisses me off more than anything obviously.

Obviously not, since you keep supporting Tynes and proping him up as a "Game Winning" Kicker and completely ignoring the fact that he misses easy FG's more then any other kicker.

There is no excuse for that and he should never miss them but I would rather have a kicker that misses the easy ones and nails the clutch ones ala Tynes than one who nails the easy ones and misses the game winners ala Brown.

you ****ER....how do you not understand that the only reason those late ones are "clutch" as you say they are, is because he ****ing FAILED in the first place...

Missing an easy FG in the 2nd quarter that forces the game to Overtime completely negates the game winning FG he makes in OT...because it never would have went to OT in the first place if he wasn't a failure.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:36 AM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.

I was also flexing Randy so it would have been 6 had I not made that trade.

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 11:37 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

News: Tynes made 2-of-3 field goals including the game-winner in overtime, but missed a 31-yarder.
Spin: Tynes has been shaky so far this season, and is probably another bad miss or two from being cut. For now, he's still the team's lone kicker.

ESPNs opinion... just saying...

and im sorry, making a 31 yarder in overtime isn't clutch because

A) its a 31 yarder, if you can't make it, you dont deserve to be in the pros,
B) he just missed a previous 31 yarder, its called trying to not get cut

</P>

[Y] point well proven. one more miss... he BETTER be gone before next season or its gonna get ugly.........</P>

your a kicker in the NFL... you should be able to make 8-10 30 yard field goals blind folded... you get paid millions of dollars to kick a ****ing ball 30 yards.. </P>

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:38 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

News: Tynes made 2-of-3 field goals including the game-winner in overtime, but missed a 31-yarder.
Spin: Tynes has been shaky so far this season, and is probably another bad miss or two from being cut. For now, he's still the team's lone kicker.

ESPNs opinion... just saying...

and im sorry, making a 31 yarder in overtime isn't clutch because

A) its a 31 yarder, if you can't make it, you dont deserve to be in the pros,
B) he just missed a previous 31 yarder, its called trying to not get cut

</p>

[Y] point well proven. one more miss... he BETTER be gone before next season or its gonna get ugly.........</p>

I personally don't think he has one more miss, I think he'd better be gone next season already.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:40 AM

No, I don't. I hate it. It pisses me off more than anything obviously.

Obviously not, since you keep supporting Tynes and proping him up as a "Game Winning" Kicker and completely ignoring the fact that he misses easy FG's more then any other kicker.

There is no excuse for that and he should never miss them but I would rather have a kicker that misses the easy ones and nails the clutch ones ala Tynes than one who nails the easy ones and misses the game winners ala Brown.

you ****ER....how do you not understand that the only reason those late ones are "clutch" as you say they are, is because he ****ing FAILED in the first place...

Missing an easy FG in the 2nd quarter that forces the game to Overtime completely negates the game winning FG he makes in OT...because it never would have went to OT in the first place if he wasn't a failure.

LMAO. With the capital ****er and everything huh?

I understand where you guys are coming from. Had Elam made his FG we would have lost. It works both ways and I got you guys. I understand your point. FG's kickers miss FG's. Eli misses passes. People blow coverage. No one is perfect.

When considering kicking a game winning FG there are not many kickers I would take over Tynes.

Ahhh **** it, cut Tynes. Let's sign OchoCinco as our kicker.

bandwgn86

11-24-2009, 11:41 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</P>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</P>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</P>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</P>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</P>

na I hear ya.. i mean trust me im not taking anything away form Ali... but Mayweathers speed, strength, and accuracy is unmatched. Its like people can throw whatever they want at him and he lauhs at them... and the strength, accuracy and speed all gets better as the fight goes on... hes a freak

This will be a helluva fight, Pacquiao is the only person strong, quick, and agile enough to counter Mayweather's speed and precision.

Mayweather needs to take this fight to establish himself as the best boxer of all time, because up to this point, his only real notable wins were against Diego Corrales, Luis Castillo and De La Hoya....and while those were all huge fights, this is BY FAR his toughest opponent he will face in his career, and he needs to beat the best pound for pound in the world before he goes down as the greatest of all time.
</P>

what fighters are you guys talking about.. talk about a boring fight its a battle of counterpunchers.. both of them standing there waitin for the other guy to take a swing.. boring</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:41 AM

How would you like to be a Texans fan and have your guy miss 2 straight kicks to tie the game at the end for two horrible losses?

The grass is always greener, babe......</p>

after watching last nights game I can say for sure that I'd MUCH rather have Kris Brown as our kicker then Tynes.

any day of the week
</p>

You mean the guy thatcost them two straight games?</p>

Each kicker has had two chances to win or tie a game for their team on the last play of the game.</p>

Tynes is 2-0. Brown is 0-2.</p>

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now.</p>

Scrappy and Scrappy-Lite.</p>

sorry moorehead, but the truth of hte matter is that Brown missed a 49 yarder last night... a kick that Tynes would never be on hte field to attempt....

and if he had a chip shot 32 yarder like Tynes had to win the game, he would of won it... just like 99.9% of every other kicker in the league

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:41 AM

I dont think Mayweather is scared of anyone to be honest...

He sure is a baby about his dad though...

how do u mean?

His dad was his trainer and he fired him and all this bull****. You don't remember? He was being a baby.

i think u need to look into that story more

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:43 AM

With the game on the line. Tynes has come through. </p>
Stop making sense. They are worried about 29 yard FG's, not game winners.

This is much more important than our Swiss cheese defense in the 4th quarter of games.

no making sense would be realizing the depth of 20 yards between each kickers attempts is not a point that should be overlooked...

especially cuz if Houston had Tynes as a kicker, they would of had to run another play to get closer cuz they wouldn't even attmp him from that far

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 11:44 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

News: Tynes made 2-of-3 field goals including the game-winner in overtime, but missed a 31-yarder.
Spin: Tynes has been shaky so far this season, and is probably another bad miss or two from being cut. For now, he's still the team's lone kicker.

ESPNs opinion... just saying...

and im sorry, making a 31 yarder in overtime isn't clutch because

A) its a 31 yarder, if you can't make it, you dont deserve to be in the pros,
B) he just missed a previous 31 yarder, its called trying to not get cut

</P>

[Y] point well proven. one more miss... he BETTER be gone before next season or its gonna get ugly.........</P>

I personally don't think he has one more miss, I think he'd better be gone next season already.
</P>

im trying to be nice here thats all.. lol i wanted him gone weeks ago- i ***** to matt constantly about it... i cant even watch him kick is so bad i either shut my eyes or leave the room.... even his 20 yd chip shots that he makes look terrible and like they are just sneaking by! when he got hurt vs SD i thought he was gonna be out and i got excited bout that... thats pathetic!!</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:45 AM

it does, it takes less of a strain off of RBs.. which avoids having a RB fueled league and puts more on the WRs and QBs...

I like the added strategy of having the Flex personally, but I've played in all types, but really, I'm actually really hoping we get a 14-16 player league next year, the more players the more fun imho....I like looking for 3rd WR's and 3rd Down backs (like Kevin Faulk types) to start because the league is so deep.

14 team flex leagues sound like the worst fantasy football experience in the world... could that make it any MORE of a running back league...

14x3=42....there are nowhere near 42 good starting RB's stop it...people will be flexing 3rd WR's before 3rd RB's that's for sure.

exactly..

and with 3 possible positions u've pretty much assured that almost every damn rb is gonna be picked within the first 3 rounds...

thanks for proving my point lol

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:45 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:46 AM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.

so ur saying more than half aren't...

fyi.. ur helping my point...

how the draft resulted htis year also proved my point cuz exactly what i said would happen, happened and u said it wouldn't of

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 11:48 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:48 AM

missing two fgs

Any other examples or you going to keep coming back to that ONE game...

Also it was one of the coldest games in NFL history. I would imagine the ball was hard to kick.

He also made 3 FG's in that game and the game winner was a 47 yarder which happened to be the longest FG ever kicked to win a game in Lambeau Field history.

Give the guy some credit. I am with you he should never miss the short ones. But come on.

News: Tynes made 2-of-3 field goals including the game-winner in overtime, but missed a 31-yarder.
Spin: Tynes has been shaky so far this season, and is probably another bad miss or two from being cut. For now, he's still the team's lone kicker.

ESPNs opinion... just saying...

and im sorry, making a 31 yarder in overtime isn't clutch because

A) its a 31 yarder, if you can't make it, you dont deserve to be in the pros,
B) he just missed a previous 31 yarder, its called trying to not get cut

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[Y] point well proven. one more miss... he BETTER be gone before next season or its gonna get ugly.........</p>

I personally don't think he has one more miss, I think he'd better be gone next season already.

he keeps getting lucky that he is getting these opportunities to kick gam winners...

if he didnt, there would be no redemption and he would of been cut alraedy more than likely...

but another bad miss from close, i think hes def gone

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:48 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</P>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</P>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</P>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</P>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</P>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</P>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</P>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</P>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</P>

na I hear ya.. i mean trust me im not taking anything away form Ali... but Mayweathers speed, strength, and accuracy is unmatched. Its like people can throw whatever they want at him and he lauhs at them... and the strength, accuracy and speed all gets better as the fight goes on... hes a freak

This will be a helluva fight, Pacquiao is the only person strong, quick, and agile enough to counter Mayweather's speed and precision.

Mayweather needs to take this fight to establish himself as the best boxer of all time, because up to this point, his only real notable wins were against Diego Corrales, Luis Castillo and De La Hoya....and while those were all huge fights, this is BY FAR his toughest opponent he will face in his career, and he needs to beat the best pound for pound in the world before he goes down as the greatest of all time.
i thought de la hoya beat him, but thats just me. he gave him a good enough fight to warrent a rematch thats for damn sure.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:49 AM

No, I don't. I hate it. It pisses me off more than anything obviously.

Obviously not, since you keep supporting Tynes and proping him up as a "Game Winning" Kicker and completely ignoring the fact that he misses easy FG's more then any other kicker.

There is no excuse for that and he should never miss them but I would rather have a kicker that misses the easy ones and nails the clutch ones ala Tynes than one who nails the easy ones and misses the game winners ala Brown.

you ****ER....how do you not understand that the only reason those late ones are "clutch" as you say they are, is because he ****ing FAILED in the first place...

Missing an easy FG in the 2nd quarter that forces the game to Overtime completely negates the game winning FG he makes in OT...because it never would have went to OT in the first place if he wasn't a failure.

LMAO. With the capital ****er and everything huh?

I understand where you guys are coming from. Had Elam made his FG we would have lost. It works both ways and I got you guys. I understand your point. FG's kickers miss FG's. Eli misses passes. People blow coverage. No one is perfect.

When considering kicking a game winning FG there are not many kickers I would take over Tynes.

Ahhh **** it, cut Tynes. Let's sign OchoCinco as our kicker.

Elams actually the second worst performing kicker in the league this year too... just funny u mentioned him lol

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 11:50 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:51 AM

LMAO. With the capital ****er and everything huh?

I understand where you guys are coming from. Had Elam made his FG we would have lost. It works both ways and I got you guys. I understand your point. FG's kickers miss FG's. Eli misses passes. People blow coverage. No one is perfect.

When considering kicking a game winning FG there are not many kickers I would take over Tynes.

Ahhh **** it, cut Tynes. Let's sign OchoCinco as our kicker.

Yeah, and Elam sucks too now at this point, yes Kickers miss Kicks and QB's miss passes, but when our Kicker is missing as many kicks as JaMarcus Russell is missing Passes then it's time for a change.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 11:53 AM

LMAO. With the capital ****er and everything huh?

I understand where you guys are coming from. Had Elam made his FG we would have lost. It works both ways and I got you guys. I understand your point. FG's kickers miss FG's. Eli misses passes. People blow coverage. No one is perfect.

When considering kicking a game winning FG there are not many kickers I would take over Tynes.

Ahhh **** it, cut Tynes. Let's sign OchoCinco as our kicker.

Yeah, and Elam sucks too now at this point, yes Kickers miss Kicks and QB's miss passes, but when our Kicker is missing as many kicks as JaMarcus Russell is missing Passes then it's time for a change.
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I love when you get like this, Daven. Makes me feel "all superior".</P>

All is right with the universe.</P>

</P>

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:55 AM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.
so ur saying more than half aren't...

5 of 12 is almost half, it could be 7 of 12 next season...and the way the draft went is irrelevant to me, I mean you are out there picking defenses in like the 10th round lol...that kinda drafting screws everything up anyhow.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 11:56 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</p>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</p>like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...

no the game being close is on teh defense..

we're saying Tynes isn't adequate... we're not saying hes the cause of that being close...

should we of had a better lead? yes, definitly. No acceptable excuse for missing the 32 yarder and thats not something u overlook. Especially since hes missed 3 other balls htis year from the 20 to 39 yard range and he hasn't attempted a 50 yarder since 2006....

DavenIII

11-24-2009, 11:56 AM

LMAO. With the capital ****er and everything huh?

I understand where you guys are coming from. Had Elam made his FG we would have lost. It works both ways and I got you guys. I understand your point. FG's kickers miss FG's. Eli misses passes. People blow coverage. No one is perfect.

When considering kicking a game winning FG there are not many kickers I would take over Tynes.

Ahhh **** it, cut Tynes. Let's sign OchoCinco as our kicker.

Yeah, and Elam sucks too now at this point, yes Kickers miss Kicks and QB's miss passes, but when our Kicker is missing as many kicks as JaMarcus Russell is missing Passes then it's time for a change.
</p>

I love when you get like this, Daven. Makes me feel "all superior".</p>

All is right with the universe.</p>

</p>

you feel "All Superior" every time you are blatantly wrong, you are a confusing fellow, I'm going to lunch.

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 11:58 AM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 11:58 AM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol

ShockeyShow

11-24-2009, 11:59 AM

OH ****!!!!

Formal negotiations in an effort to make a megafight between pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in the first part of 2010 will open Monday, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com.

that put me to midnight..

and although i would want Pacman to beat that ****y **** down... i think he takes too many hits, he wouldn't be able to survive mayweather. I didn't see the fight but from what i read, Cotto stunned him a few times.

Plus Mayweather is the best pound for pound of all time... as much as it sickens me to say it.

ali never fought in his prime, so we can't really tell about him
</p>

Ali became champ in '64 and fought for 4 years (undefeated) as Champion before he was suspended. Those 4 years were his prime. And he was as good as anyone ever was during that time. When he came back, he was still a great fighter but not quite as fast as he was. His problem is that he fought too long after he was past his prime.</p>

He may have not been the greatest fighter of all time, but he was close. And he certainly was the greatest technical boxer. The only thing he lacked was the hammer KO punch. But he revolutionized the way fighters boxed.</p>

Plus he was the greatest ambassador of the sport while he fought. Every fighter today has Ali to thank. There may not even be a sport still if not for him.</p>

i know ALOT of boxing historians that would say he was suspended during his prime years.

yea i get that, but im just talking bear bones fighting..
</p>

I certainly don't consider myself a boxing historian but I WAS there for all of his career. And followed heavyweight boxing closely for a long time. I can tell you that he was suspended for PART of his prime. But the 3+years he fought after his first fight with Liston was unmatched.</p>

But agian, HIS problem was fighting after the fight with Foreman. He should have hung them up at that point. If he had, he would be considered the undisputed greatest fighter of all time.</p>

Plus, you just cant imagine how good the heavyweight ranks were then. There were 4 all time greats, fighting at the same time, basically all in there prime. Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Norton.</p>

All of them beat one or more of the other 3.</p>

na I hear ya.. i mean trust me im not taking anything away form Ali... but Mayweathers speed, strength, and accuracy is unmatched. Its like people can throw whatever they want at him and he lauhs at them... and the strength, accuracy and speed all gets better as the fight goes on... hes a freak

This will be a helluva fight, Pacquiao is the only person strong, quick, and agile enough to counter Mayweather's speed and precision.

Mayweather needs to take this fight to establish himself as the best boxer of all time, because up to this point, his only real notable wins were against Diego Corrales, Luis Castillo and De La Hoya....and while those were all huge fights, this is BY FAR his toughest opponent he will face in his career, and he needs to beat the best pound for pound in the world before he goes down as the greatest of all time.
i thought de la hoya beat him, but thats just me. he gave him a good enough fight to warrent a rematch thats for damn sure.

I thought he might have lost that one too. I think that was more or less the judges giving him the benefit of the doubt of him being undefeated. Oscar fought a great fight and I thought he was going to knock him out a few times during that fight. To Mayweather's defense though, it seemed like he got more aggressive when he was taking those huge hits.

What also impressed me was that in the 24/7 Mayweather/Marquez show, Floyd said that he never watches tape of his opponents. He said he is a "pure" boxer with great defense that can adjust to anyone with any fighting style in the ring.....and if that is true, then I'm HIGHLY impressed.

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:00 PM

Whats good everyone, all a you's lookin foward to 2moro night and Toykey day?????

I got a FULL day of cookin 2day so I can chill out 2moro and get LOADED, LOL

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:01 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
</P>

Well it is almost Thanksgiving.</P>

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:02 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
Now pass the mashed potato's you F*CK!!!!

LOL

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:05 PM

OK let me butt in midway through the discussion and say there's a significant chunk of responsibility on Tynes. Over the past 2 weeks he cost us a win and sent us to OT (yes I know there are other factors) cause when your ONLY job is to kick the ball through the uprights thats what you gotta do, missing short-midrange kicks when the game is on YOUR shoulders is blatantly unacceptable

If it wasnt mid-season he'd be on the unemployment line like a hefty chunk of the country's population, but Pappy Coughlin is too conservative to dump him midway

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:05 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
Now pass the mashed potato's you F*CK!!!!

LOL

Do I have to give the spatula back to?

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:07 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:08 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
</p>

Well it is almost Thanksgiving.</p>
I am thankful for you

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:08 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
Now pass the mashed potato's you F*CK!!!!

LOL
yEaaaa pass the gravey kaseanovaa

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:12 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

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as a WR you get more targets then 2 or 3 a game.. as a QB you make more then 2 or 3 throws a game.... sorry but missing a 30 yard field goal is not acceptable especially when its occuring this frequent... if he comes on the field on anything over 25 yard FG i freak out.. thats not good.. i said it weeks ago.. its its 4th and 10 from the 20 yard line id rather go for it then kick because i have zero faith in the man... i hope he gets his **** together and proves me wrong but with our offense struggling to get into the endzone honestly we cant have him missing kicks let alone chip shots... not to mention we had carney last year... look at what hes doing this year, just saying.</P>

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:14 PM

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</p>The kicker (pun intended, LOL) is that our red zone Offense is straight basura, and in all honesty the majority of his kicks are the distance of extra points if not closer, hell 17 of his 21 FGs are under 30yds. Its not like we ask him to do alot like kick long bombs in inclement weather, we've been asking him to make average to borderline EASY kicks that he's getting payed much more than most of us fans who could produce similar results

We all get caught up in the kick that sent us to the SB, but we shouldnt have even been in that OT to begin with, if he could kick then we would have made it and ran the clock at the end, cause those werent FAR kicks he was asked to make, yes I know it was GB at -20 and its like kicking pineapples barefoot but hes a professional and gets big bucks to kick in clutch times

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:14 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

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as a WR you get more targets then 2 or 3 a game.. as a QB you make more then 2 or 3 throws a game.... sorry but missing a 30 yard field goal is not acceptable especially when its occuring this frequent... if he comes on the field on anything over 25 yard FG i freak out.. thats not good.. i said it weeks ago.. its its 4th and 10 from the 20 yard line id rather go for it then kick because i have zero faith in the man... i hope he gets his **** together and proves me wrong but with our offense struggling to get into the endzone honestly we cant have him missing kicks let alone chip shots... not to mention we had carney last year... look at what hes doing this year, just saying.</P>

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I hate to say it Blondie, but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </P>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</P>

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:17 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
</P>

wait, is BLT back!? lol</P>

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:19 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
</P>

wait, is BLT back!? lol</P>

</P>

Yeah...I saw Dezz here today.</P>

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:20 PM

It is nice to have everyone back in the thread. The family is together again. lol
</p>

wait, is BLT back!? lol</p>Im sure he's been reading the whole time like a straight stalker, cause we all know he didnt get a gf....... Well unless shes like the buffalo chick floating around in the 'Steeler Chicks' pic in the other thread

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:21 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:21 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

</P>

as a WR you get more targets then 2 or 3 a game.. as a QB you make more then 2 or 3 throws a game.... sorry but missing a 30 yard field goal is not acceptable especially when its occuring this frequent... if he comes on the field on anything over 25 yard FG i freak out.. thats not good.. i said it weeks ago.. its its 4th and 10 from the 20 yard line id rather go for it then kick because i have zero faith in the man... i hope he gets his **** together and proves me wrong but with our offense struggling to get into the endzone honestly we cant have him missing kicks let alone chip shots... not to mention we had carney last year... look at what hes doing this year, just saying.</P>

</P>

I hate to say it Blondie, but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </P>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</P>

</P>

im not saying its never gonna happen... it is but think of all of tynes misses this year and most of them are chip shots and if made could have made a difference in the games... things happen with weather bad snaps and sometimes you just miss.. but ones that close should not be missed THAT often... when this was feeley everyone wanted him gone blah blah blah... agree or not i was more comfy with feeley kicking the i am with tynes.. and right now there isnt anything we could do about it its too late but this is somethign that NEEDS to be worked on in the off season</P>

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:22 PM

btw, GOOD MORNING *****ES!</P>

and to backup Blondie's point....if we(the giantsorg)were so confident with Tynes through his short career, we wouldn't have left Carney on the roster following Tynes return last November. I went to the NYG/Balt last year, and the newscast playing ove the PA before the game said that Tynes would only be on kickoffs. lol</P>

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:23 PM

I hate to say it Blondie, <font size="5">but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </font></p>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</p>

Sure, people will miss 30 yarders but not nearly as often as tynes

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:25 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

</P>

as a WR you get more targets then 2 or 3 a game.. as a QB you make more then 2 or 3 throws a game.... sorry but missing a 30 yard field goal is not acceptable especially when its occuring this frequent... if he comes on the field on anything over 25 yard FG i freak out.. thats not good.. i said it weeks ago.. its its 4th and 10 from the 20 yard line id rather go for it then kick because i have zero faith in the man... i hope he gets his **** together and proves me wrong but with our offense struggling to get into the endzone honestly we cant have him missing kicks let alone chip shots... not to mention we had carney last year... look at what hes doing this year, just saying.</P>

</P>

I hate to say it Blondie, but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </P>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</P>

"my names jp and i have a robot vagina"</P>

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/kobe/kobebryant_nike_logo.jpg</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:25 PM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.
so ur saying more than half aren't...

5 of 12 is almost half, it could be 7 of 12 next season...and the way the draft went is irrelevant to me, I mean you are out there picking defenses in like the 10th round lol...that kinda drafting screws everything up anyhow.

okay its not half, infact the majority ARE using RBs... either way adding two teams and keeping the option avail to use a RB in the flex is going to guarantee that any RB worth a damn is going to be taken in the first three rounds

which makes the draft totally less fun and the league less strategic... i think ur scared cuz all u know is the ol get 3 RB approach (which u swore u wouldn't do and did btw)

its okay daven, i love you anyway

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:28 PM

it onlyseems like he misses more then he doescause the giants always stall in the redzone. hence why i drafted him in fantasy.lol

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:28 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>Akers (Phi)
Gostkowski (NE)
Kaeding (SD)
Bironas (Ten)
Gould (Chi)
Longwell (Min)
Ryan Mr Irrelevant Succoup (KC)

...Shall I keep going???

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:29 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

</P>

thats only cause our offense cant get in the endzone so he has to attempt FGS every single game. carney doesnt need to attempt 50 yard field goals </P>

NYG (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG)</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>tynes had zero blocked... they are just misses and half of them are chip shots

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:29 PM

I hate to say it Blondie, <FONT size=5>but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </FONT></P>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</P>

Sure, people will miss 30 yarders but not nearly as often as tynes
</P>

I admit that its a bit nerve racking to watch Tynes kick. I'd rather have some measure of certainty when he comes on the field. But all in all, his performance (especially in the clutch) have been pretty good.</P>

I'm not on the Texans boards, but I'm sure they are calling for Brown's head on a platter.</P>

I'll say it again. All fans hate their kicker. That story is older than me. (and thats pretty damn old)</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:30 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</p>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</p>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</p>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</p>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</p>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</p>

yes, but unfortunately, unless there are extreme weather situations, which there hasn't been, you are suppose to hit every 20 yard FG, i'd even say 30 yarder...

missing 4 between the distances 20-39... nobody else is doing that and thats the point

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:31 PM

MMB 5 out of the 12 teams currently are starting 3 WR's with the Flex this year already...just FYI.
so ur saying more than half aren't...

5 of 12 is almost half, it could be 7 of 12 next season...and the way the draft went is irrelevant to me, I mean you are out there picking defenses in like the 10th round lol...that kinda drafting screws everything up anyhow.

okay its not half, infact the majority ARE using RBs... either way adding two teams and keeping the option avail to use a RB in the flex is going to guarantee that any RB worth a damn is going to be taken in the first three rounds

which makes the draft totally less fun and the league less strategic... i think ur scared cuz all u know is the ol get 3 RB approach (which u swore u wouldn't do and did btw)

its okay daven, i love you anyway
In my other league they did a 3WR set (w/o telling me) and I drafted it thinking it was normal Flex campaign, never the less I had great trade prospects and wound up doin good, but in no way shape or form am I a fan of the 3WR option, give me flex or give me another league, LOL

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:31 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:32 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</p>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</p>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</p>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</p>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</p>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</p>

</p>

as a WR you get more targets then 2 or 3 a game.. as a QB you make more then 2 or 3 throws a game.... sorry but missing a 30 yard field goal is not acceptable especially when its occuring this frequent... if he comes on the field on anything over 25 yard FG i freak out.. thats not good.. i said it weeks ago.. its its 4th and 10 from the 20 yard line id rather go for it then kick because i have zero faith in the man... i hope he gets his **** together and proves me wrong but with our offense struggling to get into the endzone honestly we cant have him missing kicks let alone chip shots... not to mention we had carney last year... look at what hes doing this year, just saying.</p>

</p>

I hate to say it Blondie, but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </p>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</p>

would they of missed 4 in 10 games? i think not

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:34 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>

very true.. but he had a perfect season with us no?

if your going to miss chip shots, but you have a leg that could nail 56 yarders then that would make up for it was the point.

Carney would of missed those 4 more than likely...

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:34 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</p>

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:35 PM

Did someone jsut say I have a robot vagina? I dont know what that means, but if I had a robot dong, I'd slay it....

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:35 PM

I hate to say it Blondie, <font size="5">but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </font></p>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</p>

Sure, people will miss 30 yarders but not nearly as often as tynes

AND THE TRUUUUUUUUTHHHHHH

SHALLLL SET YEEE FREEEEEEE

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:36 PM

Tynes Has played in 66 regular season games and 6 postseason
games...He has made 92 of 115 regular season field goal attempts (80
percent) <font color="#0000ff">Every 4/5 he makes. That is pretty good no? </font>

From 20-29 he is 8/10
From 30-39 he is 9/11
From 40-49 he is 4/5

God that is horrible!!!

You guys are nuts. Tynes is playing just fine. He has had some issues but he is working on them and admits his mistakes.

Mike Vander 87%
Nate Kaeding 86%
Matt Stover 83%
Rob Bironas 84%

Those are some of the greatest kickers ever. He is not far behind...

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

...Shall I keep going???
i mean, akers, ehhhh he missed a big one this year. kaeding ehhhh, i dont think hes that great</P>

gostkowski and bironas and maybe gould are the only ones you can say are better. </P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

it onlyseems like he misses more then he doescause the giants always stall in the redzone. hence why i drafted him in fantasy.lol

lol what are u talking about tho... hes missed 4 in 10 weeks from the 20-39 yard range...

only person equal to that is Elam... who is old but even he didn't miss two in the 20-29 yard range lol

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.
</P>

You know who we need?!?
TONY DANZA</P>

WHO'S THE BOSS, B1TCH!</P>

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

yes, but unfortunately, unless there are extreme weather situations, which there hasn't been, you are suppose to hit every 20 yard FG, i'd even say 30 yarder...

missing 4 between the distances 20-39... nobody else is doing that and thats the point
</P>

I saw Morton Andersen miss a chip shot on the last game of the season for Atlanta that kept them out of the playoffs. And he was the greatest kicker I ever saw.</P>

I saw Adam Vinieteri miss a 20 something yard kick vs. SD a few years back that cost them the game at the end. And we know how good he is.</P>

Should they have cut those kickers.</P>

I saw that ****head Colts kicker Vanderjhak make everything in sight (including all chip shots) but miss the kick that could have tied the game in the playoffs. They rightfully released his ***.</P>

Tynes may miss a chip shot more than many, but he has shown the ability to knuckle down and make the big ones. Ultimately, thats more important.</P>

</P>

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:41 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</P>

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.
</P>

That pawn broker was in the Baylor U. Hall of Fame. And was a very good kicker. (including making a 60 yard FG for TB to win a game)</P>

Guess what, when he was here, everyone wanted him out. </P>

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:41 PM

I hate to say it Blondie, <font size="5">but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </font></p>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</p>

Sure, people will miss 30 yarders but not nearly as often as tynes
</p>

I admit that its a bit nerve racking to watch Tynes kick. I'd rather have some measure of certainty when he comes on the field. But all in all, his performance (especially in the clutch) have been pretty good.</p>

I'm not on the Texans boards, but I'm sure they are calling for Brown's head on a platter.</p>

I'll say it again. All fans hate their kicker. That story is older than me. (and thats pretty damn old)</p>

i just think ur overexaggerating how clutch he is in reality...

like honestly making a 35 yarder isn't something i pat a kicker on the back for .. .regardless of when it happens... its what ur suppose to do..

obviously the exception would be in nasty weather

and your like jab at Kris Brown losing the game, u fail to mention was a 50 yarder.. something that Tynes wouldnt' even be on the field for

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:41 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.

Kase-1

11-24-2009, 12:42 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</p>OK, gimme a sec to look up some FA's, expiring contracts and college cats

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:42 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</P>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</P>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</P>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</P>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</P>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</P>

yes, but unfortunately, unless there are extreme weather situations, which there hasn't been, you are suppose to hit every 20 yard FG, i'd even say 30 yarder...

missing 4 between the distances 20-39... nobody else is doing that and thats the point
</P>

I saw Morton Andersen miss a chip shot on the last game of the season for Atlanta that kept them out of the playoffs. And he was the greatest kicker I ever saw.</P>

I saw Adam Vinieteri miss a 20 something yard kick vs. SD a few years back that cost them the game at the end. And we know how good he is.</P>

Should they have cut those kickers.</P>

I saw that ****head Colts kicker Vanderjhak make everything in sight (including all chip shots) but miss the kick that could have tied the game in the playoffs. They rightfully released his ***.</P>

Tynes may miss a chip shot more than many, but he has shown the ability to knuckle down and make the big ones. Ultimately, thats more important.</P>

</P>

</P>

</P>

ok thats one here or one there.. thats not 4 in10 gamesin 20-39 yard ranges... that means in every 2.5 games tynes misses a chip shot... thats pathetic... hes been better then hes playing and yes he is capable to play better then he is but still you wanna go threw another season.... everyone HATES feeley for that one seattle game... he missed how many but made it in OT yet everyone wanted his head on a platter... it just gets toa point.. if he had6 misses and they were 45+ yards it would be nearly as bad at missing 30 yarders and its 65 and sunny out.</P>

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:42 PM

I hate to say it Blondie, <FONT size=5>but any kicker that we would replace Tynes with will have missed 30 yard FG's in his career. </FONT></P>

What do we do then? Keep switching until we find a robot to kick?</P>

Sure, people will miss 30 yarders but not nearly as often as tynes
</P>

I admit that its a bit nerve racking to watch Tynes kick. I'd rather have some measure of certainty when he comes on the field. But all in all, his performance (especially in the clutch) have been pretty good.</P>

I'm not on the Texans boards, but I'm sure they are calling for Brown's head on a platter.</P>

I'll say it again. All fans hate their kicker. That story is older than me. (and thats pretty damn old)</P>

i just think ur overexaggerating how clutch he is in reality...

like honestly making a 35 yarder isn't something i pat a kicker on the back for .. .regardless of when it happens... its what ur suppose to do..

obviously the exception would be in nasty weather

and your like jab at Kris Brown losing the game, u fail to mention was a 50 yarder.. something that Tynes wouldnt' even be on the field for
</P>

He kicked a 47 yard FG in sub 0 weather to send us to the superbowl. So yes, I think he would have been on the field.</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:43 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>Akers (Phi)
Gostkowski (NE)
Kaeding (SD)
Bironas (Ten)
Gould (Chi)
Longwell (Min)
Ryan Mr Irrelevant Succoup (KC)

...Shall I keep going???

Kickers in domes don't count for one.

Kicking in Giants stadium is very difficult, maybe on Pitt is harder to kick at.

Akers all time kicks worst in Giants Stadium.

The list is ok, but I would still take Tynes over some of those guys.

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:43 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.

75% is awful....especially at that distance

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:45 PM

Tynes Has played in 66 regular season games and 6 postseason
games...He has made 92 of 115 regular season field goal attempts (80
percent) <font color="#0000ff">Every 4/5 he makes. That is pretty good no? </font>

From 20-29 he is 8/10
From 30-39 he is 9/11
From 40-49 he is 4/5

God that is horrible!!!

You guys are nuts. Tynes is playing just fine. He has had some issues but he is working on them and admits his mistakes.

Mike Vander 87%
Nate Kaeding 86%
Matt Stover 83%
Rob Bironas 84%

Those are some of the greatest kickers ever. He is not far behind...

please Kaeding is perfect on the year from the 20-39 yard range and is 2/3 in 50 yarders

Matt Stover who was a midseason pickup is perfect from the 20-39 yarders

Bironas has missed two within that range (half as many) but still is perfect from 20-29 yard chip shots and is 3 for 4 with 50 yarders..

Tynes has missed 4, 2 which were ultimate chip shots, and isn't even considered for long balls..

mediocre would be a compliment and who gives a **** if hes admitted hes had problems... obviously he has, he was missing kicks HS kickers make

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:45 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</P>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</P>

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:47 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</p>

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.
</p>

That pawn broker was in the Baylor U. Hall of Fame. And was a very good kicker. (including making a 60 yard FG for TB to win a game)</p>

Guess what, when he was here, everyone wanted him out. </p>

He was still better than Tynes and it shows that there's guys out there we havent even heard of that probably can outperform Tynes.

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:47 PM

He has made and attempted more FG's than any other kicker also. 21/26 total. Should be 23. If he made those 2 he would be the best statistical kicker in the league. Again, give the guy a break. Is 100% the only thing that will make you guys happy?

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:47 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.

75% is awful....especially at that distance
</P>

agreeeed</P>

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:47 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</P>

when talking about the distancemore or less he is kicking extra points and missing them.....</P>

JPizzack

11-24-2009, 12:49 PM

He has made and attempted more FG's than any other kicker also. 21/26 total. Should be 23. If he made those 2 he would be the best statistical kicker in the league. Again, give the guy a break. Is 100% the only thing that will make you guys happy?
</P>

if he missed 40+ yarders I dont think I'd care too much really.</P>

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:49 PM

Tynes Has played in 66 regular season games and 6 postseason
games...He has made 92 of 115 regular season field goal attempts (80
percent) <font color="#0000ff">Every 4/5 he makes. That is pretty good no? </font>

From 20-29 he is 8/10
From 30-39 he is 9/11
From 40-49 he is 4/5

God that is horrible!!!

You guys are nuts. Tynes is playing just fine. He has had some issues but he is working on them and admits his mistakes.

Mike Vander 87%
Nate Kaeding 86%
Matt Stover 83%
Rob Bironas 84%

Those are some of the greatest kickers ever. He is not far behind...

80% is horrible relative to other players....80% would have made him the 30th worst kicker in the league last year.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:50 PM

I think we could use an upgrade kicker
This coming from a guy who used his 12th rd pick on him.
cause i have FAITH in the scottsman un like some people around here.</p>

ok well sometimes you can defend someone cause you personally like them but at this point no one can defend him... no one has faith in him... no one wants him in a giants jersey... its time to let go dezzzy</p>

like i said, if you going to blame tynes you might as well blame eli for missing boss twice in the endzone which forced us to go for 3...</p>

as a QB you are not expected to complete EVERY throw... you also have defenders to work around.. if tynes FG got blocked because people werent blocking their men then i wouldnt be putting hte blame soley on him... your talking about a 30 yard field goal which is a chip shot and no one even came close to him... not to mention its not like it was his first miss this season... every time he is gonna kick you shouldnt have to PRAY it goes thru and hold your breath.. if its at that point its ridic and you know it as well as i do!</p>

and as a kicker youre not expected to make every kick, as a wr your not expected to catch every ball, as a d end youre not expected to get a sack every play, as a corner theyre not expected to intercept the ball every play. lol</p>

i know hes missed a few this season, big ones too, but so does every kicker in the nfl. theres a stat somewhere around here that says he makes over 80% of his field goals, leading the league amoung active kickers</p>

yes, but unfortunately, unless there are extreme weather situations, which there hasn't been, you are suppose to hit every 20 yard FG, i'd even say 30 yarder...

missing 4 between the distances 20-39... nobody else is doing that and thats the point
</p>

I saw Morton Andersen miss a chip shot on the last game of the season for Atlanta that kept them out of the playoffs. And he was the greatest kicker I ever saw.</p>

I saw Adam Vinieteri miss a 20 something yard kick vs. SD a few years back that cost them the game at the end. And we know how good he is.</p>

Should they have cut those kickers.</p>

I saw that ****head Colts kicker Vanderjhak make everything in sight (including all chip shots) but miss the kick that could have tied the game in the playoffs. They rightfully released his ***.</p>

Tynes may miss a chip shot more than many, but he has shown the ability to knuckle down and make the big ones. Ultimately, thats more important.</p>

what we're saying is that it shoudln't happen as frequently as it does...

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:50 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</p>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</p>
Should be, yes! But you guys are killing him.

Who is the best FG kicker in Giants history?

Have we had a better kicker in the last decade?

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:50 PM

He has made and attempted more FG's than any other kicker also. 21/26 total. Should be 23. If he made those 2 he would be the best statistical kicker in the league. Again, give the guy a break. Is 100% the only thing that will make you guys happy?

but he didnt make those 2, if you say every other kicker in the league made 2 more kicks than they missed theyd be even moreso better than tynes.

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:51 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</p>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</p>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</p>

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.
</p>

That pawn broker was in the Baylor U. Hall of Fame. And was a very good kicker. (including making a 60 yard FG for TB to win a game)</p>

Guess what, when he was here, everyone wanted him out. </p>

dont stretch the truth Moorehead, hew as perfect kciker on the season, nobody wantd him out, we wanted somebody else to do kickoff duties... lets not lie here.. it had nothing to do with Carney as the FG kicker, it was because maybe if we were lucky it would go past teh 15 yard line when he kicked off

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:51 PM

He has made and attempted more FG's than any other kicker also. 21/26 total. Should be 23. If he made those 2 he would be the best statistical kicker in the league. Again, give the guy a break. Is 100% the only thing that will make you guys happy?
</P>

and if manningham caught 2 balls or if eli completed 2 more passes.... you cant go off of the IFs... 21/26 is good if its on the season and those misses arent from the ****ing 12 yard line.</P>

ibleedblue85

11-24-2009, 12:52 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</P>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</P>

Should be, yes! But you guys are killing him.

Who is the best FG kicker in Giants history?

Have we had a better kicker in the last decade?
</P>

carney kicked for us for 1 year... 35 of 38 with 2 blocks (you cant blame blocks just on him) that means he missed ONE all season and who knows the weather conditions and such... so yes.</P>

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:53 PM

name better kickers then tynes....and you guys keep saying he cant kick a 50 yarder, neither could carney.</P>

i know it seems like im defending him and i agree with kasanova, he gets paid to much money to miss chip shots, but the guys still one of the best in the league right now.</P>

Please do.............until you name one that would be available to us.</P>

years ago we picked up a pawn broker off the street and he did better than tynes has.
</P>

That pawn broker was in the Baylor U. Hall of Fame. And was a very good kicker. (including making a 60 yard FG for TB to win a game)</P>

Guess what, when he was here, everyone wanted him out. </P>

dont stretch the truth Moorehead, hew as perfect kciker on the season, nobody wantd him out, we wanted somebody else to do kickoff duties... lets not lie here.. it had nothing to do with Carney as the FG kicker, it was because maybe if we were lucky it would go past teh 15 yard line when he kicked off
</P>

The "pawn broker" was Matt Bryant.</P>

lawl

11-24-2009, 12:53 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</p>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</p>
Should be, yes! But you guys are killing him.

...Shall I keep going???
i mean, akers, ehhhh he missed a big one this year. kaeding ehhhh, i dont think hes that great</p>

gostkowski and bironas and maybe gould are the only ones you can say are better. </p>Well Gostkowski is a UFA after this season and we know how cheap the Pats are especially with special teams, and I think he's only 24 or so. But Dan Carpenter (http://www.nfl.com/players/dancarpenter/profile?id=CAR297693) the 23yr old kicker from Miami is another decent and probably much cheaper option who's gonna be a UFA after this season

MattMeyerBud

11-24-2009, 12:53 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</p>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</p>
Should be, yes! But you guys are killing him.

Who is the best FG kicker in Giants history?

Have we had a better kicker in the last decade?

dude if u think 80% with kicks between the 20-39 yardline in 10 games, with the amount of kicks he gets to have is good, then you just have no clue waht your talking about

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:54 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</p>

when talking about the distancemore or less he is kicking extra points and missing them.....</p>
Correct, and that is a huge problem. But had he made those 2 as he should have he would be close to 90%. It was a fluke he missed them. I don't know why or what happened.

dezzzR

11-24-2009, 12:54 PM

He has made and attempted more FG's than any other kicker also. 21/26 total. Should be 23. If he made those 2 he would be the best statistical kicker in the league. Again, give the guy a break. Is 100% the only thing that will make you guys happy?
great stat, plus tynes has been quoted saying he "doesnt feel right" this season, whatever the **** that means.

Morehead State

11-24-2009, 12:54 PM

missing 4 between the distances 20-39...

With 21 attempts though, that is still over 75%.
</P>

not with a chip shot like that... that is YOUR fault.. not blocked you just kicked it completely sideways?! no way.... 75% ok we can deal with that but you should be 95% on FGs that close on the entire season.</P>

Should be, yes! But you guys are killing him.

Who is the best FG kicker in Giants history?

Have we had a better kicker in the last decade?
</P>

carney kicked for us for 1 year... 35 of 38 with 2 blocks (you cant blame blocks just on him) that means he missed ONE all season and who knows the weather conditions and such... so yes.</P>

</P>

The one Carney miss at the end cost us the Minn. game. Would have put us up by 9 with 2:00 left.</P>

And it wasn't a long attempt.</P>

bigblue4417

11-24-2009, 12:55 PM

80% would have made him the 30th worst kicker in the league last year.