Bush, Sr. was a director of the CIA and a past President........Do you really believe Jr. didn't have the intelligence he needed to protect us against a bunch of Saudis flying planes into buildings in our country?.........The Saudis trained right here in our country.........America was their training ground.......

You have no clue about any of this. You're talking out of your a$$ as usual. Bush, Jr. also had intelligence that Saddam had WMDs. So you're saying he should ignore one set of intel but pay attention to the other?

The truth is, Bush pre-emptively started a perpetual war in the middle east which has no end in sight.......And, he sold the war to the American people on a lie of WMDs...........

Anyone who still believes the myth that Saddam had WMDs should be able to answer this question......Where are all these WMDs?

Almost two years passed while the UN dithered with their threats of action. Many, many weapons were shipped to Syria where they are now being used on citizens. And, by the way, our troops did find WMDs in Iraq.

It's funny how you claim to be in the know but at the same time you blindly believe the mainstream media that feeds you a bunch of BS meant to discredit anyone with an R after their name.

Originally Posted by bluedogPabar, are you so naive that you don't wonder why Bush and Romney are never-Trumpers?.......Keep in mind, it's gonna be either Trump or Hillary.......

I'm well aware of that which is why I'm voting against Hillary.

Frankly, I'm tired of you telling people they're naive. It's rude and incorrect. You don't know anything more than the rest of us unless you can share with us your special knowledge of events that we don't have. Until then, we'll continue to blow you off for the jester you are.

Frankly, I'm tired of you telling people they're naive. It's rude and incorrect. You don't know anything more than the rest of us unless you can share with us your special knowledge of events that we don't have. Until then, we'll continue to blow you off for the jester you are.

Now, why do you think Bush and Romney are trying so hard to get Hillary to win?

Hillary, Bush and Romney are all part of the same cabal of keeping power concentrated within a small circle of people. They've been successful to date with two Bush's as POTUS and an attempt by a third, with a Clinton as POTUS and an attempt by a second. It disgusts me that we hear all the time now about Chelsea Clinton and Michelle Obama running for office.

All of these people as well as many other politicians are trying to return us to the state we were in prior to the revolution. Instead of a monarch, they'll settle for an oligarchy.

What you don't see, that many suspect, is that Trump may be in that same cabal, albeit taking a very different and ingenious route. Portray yourself as the outside coming to DC to clean house, only to get there and assume a dictatorial style of governance. Your obvious love for the man is preventing you from seeing that possibility. The only reason I'm voting for Trump is that I know with 100% certainty that Hillary is part of the cabal and I don't have that same level of confidence about Trump.

Hillary, Bush and Romney are all part of the same cabal of keeping power concentrated within a small circle of people. They've been successful to date with two Bush's as POTUS and an attempt by a third, with a Clinton as POTUS and an attempt by a second. It disgusts me that we hear all the time now about Chelsea Clinton and Michelle Obama running for office.

All of these people as well as many other politicians are trying to return us to the state we were in prior to the revolution. Instead of a monarch, they'll settle for an oligarchy.

What you don't see, that many suspect, is that Trump may be in that same cabal, albeit taking a very different and ingenious route. Portray yourself as the outside coming to DC to clean house, only to get there and assume a dictatorial style of governance. Your obvious love for the man is preventing you from seeing that possibility. The only reason I'm voting for Trump is that I know with 100% certainty that Hillary is part of the cabal and I don't have that same level of confidence about Trump.

Well said. IMO, Trump is definitely part of that crowd. They were at his wedding, he gave her campaign (and several others) money. Electing Trump will do nothing to disseminate the power.

Time for Ted Cruz to announce he is rescinding his endorsement and firing all of the advisers who pushed him to endorse.

Well, I don't know. Are the Rescinders claiming that they didn't know trump was a boorish, locker-room talking misogynist? Are they saying they were caught off guard by the 'leaked' tape of him talking about pussy-grabbing? That seems to be what they are saying, which is of course a lie. Everybody knew. His stern interviews weren't a secret.As far as the CruzMissile rescinding, I gotta think that will do him more harm than good. He did the damage when he chose to endorse. Can't unring that bell. And as far as firing advisers, to me that would just make him look like he isn't capable of making his own decisions, which I don't believe is the facts. Cruz is probably the only pol in the mix this year that does have enough backbone to make his own calls.__________________"She Packed My Bags Last Night, Pre-Flight, Zero Hour Nine A.M."

Well, I don't know. Are the Rescinders claiming that they didn't know trump was a boorish, locker-room talking misogynist? Are they saying they were caught off guard by the 'leaked' tape of him talking about pussy-grabbing? That seems to be what they are saying, which is of course a lie. Everybody knew. His stern interviews weren't a secret

My bud Michael berry and myself knew this 'stuff' was hidden just under the surface and would pop like a puss filled infected green pimple. Some of us knew his reputation was Schitt.

I would never want Cruz to follow Ericksons advice. Yes ted phucked up when he endorsed__________________"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me"

I have two daughters. Based on a guy saying that, because he's rich, he can, with impunity, grab a woman by her genitals, makes voting for him a non-starter. That story alone changed it for me with Trump. A woman who tries to destroy the women her husband raped makes voting for her a non-starter.

We have two horrible choices for president and we deserve better. My only hope is that days after Trump is elected, he is forced to resign and Pence takes over. That's the only possible positive scenario for this sh1t show.

Originally Posted by bluedogHow about those who had sons who were maimed or killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Is either Bush any more of a moral choice than Trump?

McCain has abandoned the veterans and underhandedly sealed the records of all Vietnam war POWs ensuring those left would stay left...........Any more of a moral choice?

Do you believe Bush went to war for personal gain? I don't. He did what the intelligence reports told him to do. Everyone supported the war in Afghanistan, including Trump. The war in Iraq is something I believe was necessary due to the inaction of the UN

Was it moral to join the WWII effort? Would it be moral to go to war to save the lives of a half million Syrians?

If moral equivalency is so important to you, your support for Trump can only be categorized as extremely bizarre.

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