I did check the Magazine size limits in Indiana (on-line and with an officer in the field. Except for waterfowl, there are NO limits to the capacity on the gun for hunting. That includes deer and turkey (the only critters I may hunt other than vermin or predetors). Indiana only allows slugs in shotguns for deer...no buckshot. Technically that means I can load up with 10 rounds of #4 shot and nail that turkey for the holiday dinner !!! Y'know they can be dangerous when they are only wounded !Here's the quote from the Indiana DNR website- "When hunting for migratory game birds and waterfowl (i.e., doves, ducks, geese, woodcock, etc.), it is illegal to use a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler that is incapable of being removed without disassembling the gun. There are no restrictions on magazine capacity for hunting of any other species."

ALSO

" Laser sights are legal for hunting all species."

Russ, Does your gun have the factory side plate on the receiver? Some of the side-mount optics I see need a plate added, I have the factory plate on, but it doesn't show the screw holes I see in the quick-release side-mount that comes with the optic sight???

Gee whiz Al,. with that gun and the magazine you have, you do not even have to aim. Just blaze away and you can put enough shot in the air to blow your holiday turkey into turkey burger stuff with lead or whatever.

Russ- The plate on the left side of your gun is what is on mine too. I am wondering if that is sufficient to add the side mount adapter to it directly, or do I need the additional plate as a 'go-between"??

Russ- The plate on the left side of your gun is what is on mine too. I am wondering if that is sufficient to add the side mount adapter to it directly, or do I need the additional plate as a 'go-between"??

RUSS, I got the UTG 978 quick release side mount from CSS. It fit the original factory mounting rail fine. Now waiting for the red-green dot sight to try on it. It is the same one you described. A bit heavy, but will do the job just fine.

RUSS, I got the UTG 978 quick release side mount from CSS. It fit the original factory mounting rail fine. Now waiting for the red-green dot sight to try on it. It is the same one you described. A bit heavy, but will do the job just fine.

After you zero it in try taking it off and putting it back on and tell me if it is still accurate if you could. Also have you chosen a sling yet?...Russ

Ruby and Russ I also had an old battered Iver Johnson 38 S&W, lots of rust and a real battered exterior. It's bore was really bad, but it did fire 38 S&W BLANKS just fine, so it was our 4th of July noise maker for many years.

Russ my red-dot sight has been shipped . When I get it mounted I will test it on some water-jugs with slugs. I'll try to photo the mount at the time and will check it for maintaining zero. I removed the sling terminals when I put on the Tapco stuff. This gun won't be carried much. It is more of a get off my porch sort of thing !!! I mean if I can't kill it from my deck, it is pretty well assured of a long-life !! On the other hand, with 50 fruit trees and a bunch of grapes and berries on just under 3 acres, Doing the back deck hunting stand is not quite as 'Urban-Destructive' as it may sound!

Nov 13 I have mounted the side-mount rails (quick release) and the 4 way red/green dot sight. It seems to line up well on dry runs. I will borrow a boresight laser to check the alignment of the sight with the actual aiming point. The boresight fits into the chamber like a 12 ga shell and gives a true visual line-up for the actual aiming point...Then run some slugs thru it to see if it does what the little red-dot says it is doing !

Here is the mounted sight on the Saiga-12

A couple of closer views of the sight and mount---

Finally I have a poor example of the red-circle image (one of four choices- also can be green if desired) The flash made it hard to get this to show in the photo, but it works fine.

Hopefully I got them right this time. Sorry for the delay in posting the corrected photos. AL

Here are my two Handguns- A Snubby 357 Rossi SS. I keep it in a bedframe holster within easy reach when things go 'Crash' in the night. Bought new in SoCal, after things DID go Crash one night. It is a six-shooter, with a nice smooth cylinder. Shoots nicely. I keep a speedloader of HP's and one of SnakeShot close by.

The second one is my Tokarev 7.62 pistol, brought home from my 1962 visit to S E Asia. I have fired about 500 rounds thru it since 1962. Very Loud, Big Flash, and a pretty hot round. It is the Russian original rather than the ChiCom or Warsaw Pact copies.

Congratulations Michael ! I envy your filling the freezer with Doe Venison ! I don't know if I will ever take a walk in the woods with my Saiga...But sitting on the back deck watching Bambi eat my fruit trees may have me take a shot or two.

OK, after a day of breaking in the shotgun and adding it's new appearance and handling materials, it looks more like what I have been seeking. Here it is "Right out of the Box", with the factory issued 5 rd Mag.

AND, Here it is this morning, after an evening of stock fitting etc. With the Tapco Stock and forearm, and the 10 rd magazine. It really handles like an AK, if a bit "bigger"!

Have you seen this new Bullpup stock for the Saiga 12 http://www.kushnapup.com/ ? I am sure you like the way the one shown looks but this one is pretty cool Mayor.

Yeah, I saw that one and the Kel-Tec that is due out for sale this Spring. I think my budget for expanding the Bowen Arsenal is pretty well shot (pun intended) for now. The Kel-Tech uses two tubes of 7 rounds capacity each for it's magazines, with a selector to choose one tube or the other. Think of 7 rounds of Buckshot, and 7 rounds of slugs available at the flick of a switch !!!

Well, We'll bring this thread back to life to ask for any info you regular hunters may have about Hog Hunting. I have hunted small game and deer in various parts of the country over the years. BUT, I have never been on a Hog-Hunt. That is about to change. The two grandfathers , Me and My opposite number in one branch of my family, and my 13 year old grandson will be heading down to Texas at the end of May for a three-day and two-night Hog Hunt on a ranch located near Luling (AND SHINER !!). Hopefully we will schedule in some stops at our favorite BBQ places, and get together with Bushie before or after our hunt time. They recommend using 12 gauge slug shotguns or heavy caliber (44 magnum) rifles for the dense brushy territory. The hunting is both in-Blinds and Stalking. I'm not much into hiking the boonies these days so Blind Hunting it will be for me (day and Night). They run a big deer operation, so the Hogs and Varmints are eating into their profits big-time. So they cut the prices by a bunch and get folks to clean out the varmint population for awhile.

I'll use my Saiga and am asking for suggestions as to which slugs (brand and size) work the best from your experiences. We will also have smaller caliber rifles with us for varmint shooting if that happens while we are in the field. Lots of Coyotes and other critters these folks are asking us to assist in controlling. But the Hogs are the top of the list. They will clean, skin, and quarter them and we will pack them home in coolers to a butcher here in our area who will finish cutting and freezing the meat ASAP after we return. I have not done any hunting for ten years, so this is kinda exciting for an old guy...and needless to say the grandson is jumping around ready to go tomorrow !! Post any thoughts or advice...I will be sure to follow up on it if I can. AL