WWI Digest 1262
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Osprey Aircraft of the Aces
by Shane Weier
2) Re: Ilya Murometz
by "David R.L. Laws"
3) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by "Sandy Adam"
4) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998
by "Sandy Adam"
5) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by Mike Dicianna
6) New Address
by Don Rinker
7) Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
8) Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
by Bob Pearson
9) Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998
by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
10) Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
11) Re: New Address
by "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
12) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by Graham Nash
13) RFC SPADs
by "Sandy Adam"
14) UK Nats
by "Sandy Adam"
15) Re: indigneous airmen
by "Sandy Adam"
16) Re: Ilya Murometz
by michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT)
17) Re: Ilya Murometz
by lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy)
18) Re: UK Nats
by Don Rinker
19) Re: UK Nats
by "Sandy Adam"
20) Re: UK Nats
by Don RInker
21) Eduard Albatros DV Trade?
by John Berlien
22) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by fedders
23) Re: Eduard Albatros DV Trade?
by "Paul Schwartzkopf"
24) Emhar Mk IV
by "Steven M. Perry"
25) Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by Modelhound@aol.com
26) Re: Le Cigognes Decals
by fedders
27) RE: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
by Pedro e Francisca Soares
28) RE: Le Cigognes Decals
by Pedro e Francisca Soares
29) Canvas
by "cameron rile"
30)
by Matthew Zivich
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:28:13 +1000
From: Shane Weier
To: "'wwi'"
Subject: Osprey Aircraft of the Aces
Message-ID:
Hi all,
Rumoured (well, from the series editor) at the UK IPMS Nats, that the
well established "Aircraft of the Aces" series from Osprey is planned to
include "some WW1 subjects" soon
Not to put too fine a point on it, I'm aware of considerable argument
over the accuracy of the WW2 volumes, which certainly look good but
apparently oftem miss the subtle details. I hope the WW1 volumes
(when/if they appear) are based on recent work by some of the more
knowledgeable researchers/artists.
Also read the comment that Tony Holmes is interested to hear from anyone
who thinks they can write/illustrate/both one of these books. May be an
opportunity there somewhere!
Shane
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:50 +0000
From: "David R.L. Laws"
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz
Message-ID: <36345D2F.5EBB@webtime.com.au>
I believe this may have been the Cooke ( see Alcorn Cooke and Lee -
Scratch-built ! ) effort and if so the model is extraordinary - Much
input from the doyen Harry Woodman too, so the accuracy of the model is
as good as one could hope for !
REGARDS
DAVID
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:59:50 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To:
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID: <199810260115.BAA03952@beryl.sol.co.uk>
> Bob and David,
> Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within
an acceptable price range
> Thanks
> Pedro
Me too please
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:16:13 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To:
Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998
Message-ID: <199810260115.BAA03956@beryl.sol.co.uk>
> >> British SPAD 13s (as opposed to SPAD 7s) were pretty rare birds
> the total British order for SPAD 13s was only sixty aircraft. I'd
> call sixty aircraft in total "pretty rare".
> But, your definition of "pretty rare" may be different, of course.
> Bill Shatzer
According to Jack Bruce ("The Aeroplanes of the RFC - Military Wing",
Putnam 1992) The RFC received 61 Kellner-built SPAD XIIIs by 23/3/18 with a
subsequent order placed for another 100 which was actually reduced to 25.
It's difficult to work out exactly where the RFC VIIs all went but it
appears from the same book that there were about 250-300 RFC VIIs in total.
If we take into account that these were used by 30 & 63 Sqdn in Mesopotamia
and 27, 31, 54, 56 & 60 Training Sqdns as well as 2 Training Wings (17 &
18) and Sqdns 72 & 81 (working up) it becomes clear that many less than the
total 250-300 went to the Western Front.
However the XIIIs probably all went to the Western Front and indeed Bruce
(p562) states that at one stage 23 Squadron was fully equipped with the
type. So if we assume say 200 VIIs went to France and about 80 XIIIs - I'd
say one-third to one-half, as many XIIIs in France as VIIs, a fairly
significant number.
Your error is in assuming that that the RFC SPAD VII was not rare ("as
opposed to the SPAD 7") Of the smallish number of RFC SPADS in France, a
significant number were XIIIs and 23Sqdn ONLY had XIIIs at one stage.
I don't care to bandy definitions of "pretty rare" with you, and I can't be
bothered digging out similar numbers of other types but I seem to remember,
for example, that there were only about 100 Sopwith Triplanes in total.
That'll be "pretty rare" too?
Cheers and all and all
Sandy
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:03:51 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19981025180351.006d9874@dnc.net>
At 08:21 PM 10/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> Bob and David,
>> Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within
>an acceptable price range
>> Thanks
>> Pedro
>
>Me three please
Mikedc
>
>
Mikedc
"Der Rote Modellflugzeugbauer"
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:47:51 -0500
From: Don Rinker
To: wwi
Subject: New Address
Message-ID: <3633F0E7.7C41C7F1@rcn.com>
Greeting everyone.... After a bit of a struggle, my installer yesterday
finished setting up my new account with a CABLE modem .My address has
changed since I went to a new ISP provider.
My new address is rittmeister@rcn.com
Man, let me tell ya, if your service has this option , get it. Hug web
page load almost instantaneously, you don't need to cache graphics on
your browser and waste valuable storage space.
You bandwidth is a constant 500K, so you usually get around 50k/sec
transfer on files. I can now download those 40 meg demos I only drooled
at before. THe deal I got combining cable TV, phone, and cable modem,
made the deal a no brainer. Only about 6.00 per month more than what I
was paying formerly....
My other ISP account drinker@fast.net ( God I hated that) will be
active only for another week.
later.....
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:36:21 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
Message-ID: <3634A505.A87@ricochet.net>
Robert Jackson (in Fighter Pilots of WWI) has Aussie(?) Roderic Dallas
downing 1+ Friedricshafen(sp?) bombers flying a Nie. 11 on May 20, 1916.
This seems improbable.
Comments?
Riordan
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:44:29 -0800
From: Bob Pearson
To: WW1 Mailing list
Subject: Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
Message-ID: <04442923800282@KAIEN.COM>
According to Above the Trenches, Dallas downed a seaplane on 20 May 1916.
Perhaps the only Friedrichshafen that Mr. Jackson was aware of was the G
class and not the FF seaplanes
Bob
----------
> From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:37:35 -0500
>
> Robert Jackson (in Fighter Pilots of WWI) has Aussie(?) Roderic Dallas
> downing 1+ Friedricshafen(sp?) bombers flying a Nie. 11 on May 20, 1916.
> This seems improbable.
> Comments?
>
> Riordan
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:00:00 -0800 (PST)
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Scale Aircraft Modelling Vol 20 No.9 November 1998
Message-ID: <199810260500.VAA10039@ednet1.orednet.org>
Sandy writes:
-snips-
>However the XIIIs probably all went to the Western Front and indeed Bruce
>(p562) states that at one stage 23 Squadron was fully equipped with the
>type. So if we assume say 200 VIIs went to France and about 80 XIIIs - I'd
>say one-third to one-half, as many XIIIs in France as VIIs, a fairly
>significant number.
>Your error is in assuming that that the RFC SPAD VII was not rare ("as
>opposed to the SPAD 7") Of the smallish number of RFC SPADS in France, a
>significant number were XIIIs and 23Sqdn ONLY had XIIIs at one stage.
>I don't care to bandy definitions of "pretty rare" with you, and I can't be
>bothered digging out similar numbers of other types but I seem to remember,
>for example, that there were only about 100 Sopwith Triplanes in total.
>That'll be "pretty rare" too?
Well, without meaning to belabor the point, it is not really meaningful
to count only squadrons on the Western front when assessing relative
"rarity".
First, when comparing the relative rarity of the British Spad XIII vis-a-
vis the Spad VII I was not confining the comparison only to active combat
units on the Western front. As you noted, in addition to the two Spad
VII squadrons on the Western front, their were additional overseas units
and training squadrons which used the Spad VII as well as 19 Sqdn and 23
Sqdn. on the western front. Training units and Mesopotanian units are
certainly relevant in comparing relative rarities - and I was doing so.
Secondly, while apparently both 19 Sqdn and 23 Sqdn operated the Spad
VII on the Western front and both units also operated the Spad XIII,
the fact that the two Spad models were operated by the same two squadrons
does not make them equal in "rarity". For these squadrons were
re-equipped with the Spad VII in October or November of 1916 and
remained exclusive Spad VII squadrons up until November of 1917
when they began to receive Spad XIIIs. 19 sqdn still had at least
some Spad VIIs on charge when it converted to Dolphins in January
of 1918 while 23 Sqdn got rid of its Spads in May of 1918 when it likewise
converted to Dolphins.
Thus, the two squadrons were _exclusively_ equipped with Spad VIIs
for over a year and at least partially equipped with Spad VIIs
for some considerable period thereafter. 19 Sqdn was never
exclusively equipped with Spad XIIIs while 23 Sqdn was equipped
with _any_ Spad XIIIs only for six months and exclusively equipped
with Spad XIIIs only for some smaller portion of that six month
period.
Adding these two factors together, it does seem that my characterization
of the Spad XIII in British service as being "pretty rare" compared to
the Spad VII was a reasonable characterization. And, I'm kinda at a
loss as to why you choose to pick this particular nit.
And yes, the Sopwith tripe would be "pretty rare" when compared
to, say, the number of Camels in British service. On the other
hand, it would be down right common compared to, say, the number
of Austin-Balls.
Cheers and all,
--
Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
-Bob Dylan-
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:05:22 -0800 (PST)
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Roderic Dallas Fdh victory
Message-ID: <199810260505.VAA14233@ednet1.orednet.org>
Bob Pearson writes:
>According to Above the Trenches, Dallas downed a seaplane on 20 May 1916.
>Perhaps the only Friedrichshafen that Mr. Jackson was aware of was the G
>class and not the FF seaplanes
And yes, Dallas was, in fact, an Aussie.
Cheers and all,
--
Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
-Bob Dylan-
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:06:45 -0700
From: "D. Anderson" <2814823733@home.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: New Address
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981025220645.006c7bf4@mail>
At 10:50 PM 25/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Man, let me tell ya, if your service has this option , get it. Hug web
>page load almost instantaneously, you don't need to cache graphics on
>your browser and waste valuable storage space.
Yeah, I've had one of those since June; pretty neat. Looking at the
pictures on the WW I page is almost as fast as looking at pictures in a
magazine now.
Dane
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:51:05 +0000
From: Graham Nash
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID: <199810260851.DAA11478@egate2.citicorp.com>
Sandy Adam wrote:
>
> > Bob and David,
> > Either way I'd love to have one or 2 sheets if they turn out to be within
> an acceptable price range
Count me in if 1/72nd is included.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:23:26 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To: "AAA - WW1 Group"
Subject: RFC SPADs
Message-ID: <199810260953.JAA12188@beryl.sol.co.uk>
> Well, without meaning to belabor the point,..........
Bill, I think you now have a better appreciation of the number of SPADXIIIs
used by the RFC. But I do suggest you read "Air of Battle", you would learn
a lot more about them.
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:53:15 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To: "AAA - WW1 Group"
Subject: UK Nats
Message-ID: <199810260953.JAA12197@beryl.sol.co.uk>
Last Tuesday my wife said to me "So why don't you go down to Telford at the
weekend? I know you really want to!" The woman is a saint! I had said I'd
like to go but didn't think there was anyway I could really wangle it.
(Perhaps the fact that she is off to NZ for 3 weeks in November made her
feel guilty.) Anyway do you think I needed a second telling?
Where do I start? I met and spoke to lots of people, Ray Rimmel, Chris
Gannon, Jacques Primault (AJP), TC of TCModels etc etc. Lots of news that I
don't really have time or space to do justice to here.
Quickly Chris Gannon has published a list of his 1999/2000 new releases as
follows
BM 1/48
Halberstadt Cl.II November 98 - saw it built unpainted - looks excellent.
BM110 RAF SE5a (HS and Viper) Jan 1999
BM112 Sopwith Dolphin
BM113 Sopwith Snipe
BM 114 Albatros D.III (oef) 53, 153 & 253 series (all 3 versions)
and two sets of Iron & Patee Cross transfer sheets
Pegasus 1/72
PEG 4008 Albatros C.III
PEG 4009 DH9
PEG 4010 Etrich Taube
PEG 2020 DH2
PEG 4011 BE2c
AH crowns & crosses transfers
I almost fell over when I saw the AJP display - these models are absolutely
stunning - the big Caproni bomber cockpit is so realistic you feel you
could climb in and fly it! They were all there and funds and sanity were
all that stood between me and throwing away all my plastic models! Next
release (1999) is an SE5a. This will be full framework (like the Spirit of
St Louis) and allow you to cover as much / little of the airframe as you
wish. The SoSL model is staggering with one wing covered and one wing in
frame and several scale thickness fuselage panels removed. If the SE is
anything like this it will be stupendous.
Models:
A fair number of beautiful WW1 models all scales - but a disproportionately
high number in the awards - good news for WW1. Some lovely finalists in the
Mannock Trophy - winner a pale blue Hawa Cl.II which just pipped Geoff
Stanley's FE2b. 1/72 had several jewel-like SS DIII/IVs nice Roland DVIb
but prize went to a well-reworked Airfix RE8.
In the main hall some terrific stuff - one lunatic had built and hand
painted (lozenge all over) a SMER Albatros - this was so delicate it was
difficult to believe it started out as a SMER. Although not my scale at
all, I was stunned by a fabulous 1/72 Gotha with the most superb exposed
engines etc.
Overall show winner was awesome - a diorama entitled "The Catapult
Squadrons - Malta 1936" it consisted of a 1/72 seaplane base scene with
about 12 Swordfishs, Seafoxes, Fairey IIIF s etc in and out of the water
and in hangars with a full regimental marchpast in progress on the dockside
- brass band and all. Abso-bloody-lutely amazing - this was crowded three
deep all day with people staring open-mouthed.
Lots more - no space. I took some pictures, so I'll see if they turn out OK
and worth showing if anyone's interested.
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:19:45 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To:
Subject: Re: indigneous airmen
Message-ID: <199810261019.KAA13025@beryl.sol.co.uk>
> Never heard of it. What's "Shout at the Devil"? Some BBC television
show?
Primary reference, my boy. Herbert Lom does the bullet-headed Hun to
perfection (see "King Solomon's Mines" too). Fantasically realistic - they
were all just like this - ugly, bad-tempered and thick. Should be in
everyone's WW1 film library.
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:35:50 GMT
From: michel.lefort@ping.be (Michel LEFORT)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz
Message-ID: <36344f83.2113117@relay.ping.be>
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:29:08 -0500, Mike Dicianna
wrote:
>There was an excellent article in Fine Scale Modeler a while back about =
some
>scratchbuilt (1/32?) IM. The article included full drawings and would =
be of
>great help in doing one of these...Have to dig through my stacks of mags=
and
>find it again! Not sure what issue. Len (?)has a listing of WWI =
articles
>found in FSM. =20
The article is in the March 1991 Issue. BTW, FSM has made available a
complete index in PDF format running up to (and including) 1997. It's
available on their web site (but I don't remember the exact URL of that
file).
>
>Anybody seen this article and can comment on the accuracy of the =
drawings?
Sorry, but I cannot comment.
Regards.
--
Michel Lefort - Braine-l'Alleud, Belgium
IPMS Belgium Treasurer & Foreign Liaison Officer (member F012)
MAFVA member #6708
http://www.ping.be/ipms-belgium
Plastic Modelling is holding History in your Hand
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:23:10 GMT
From: lfendy@firstsaga.com (Leonard Endy)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Ilya Murometz
Message-ID: <36365b68.851154@legend.firstsaga.com>
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:38:47 -0500, you wrote:
>The article is in the March 1991 Issue. BTW, FSM has made available a
>complete index in PDF format running up to (and including) 1997. It's
>available on their web site (but I don't remember the exact URL of that
>file).
>>
It was the March 91 issue and you can find a complete index at
Kalmbach's web site, http://www.kalmbach.com/fsm/finescale.html.
Give me a chance to pull the issue and I'll take a look.
Len
Visit the Swap'N' Shop pages...
http://www2.firstsaga.com/lfendy/fof_site.htm
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:31:37 -0500
From: Don Rinker
To: wwi
Subject: Re: UK Nats
Message-ID: <36345D99.EA14760A@rcn.com>
Sandy Adam wrote:
> I almost fell over when I saw the AJP display - these models are absolutely
> stunning - the big Caproni bomber cockpit is so realistic you feel you
> could climb in and fly it! They were all there and funds and sanity were
> all that stood between me and throwing away all my plastic models! Next
> release (1999) is an SE5a. This will be full framework (like the Spirit of
> St Louis) and allow you to cover as much / little of the airframe as you
> wish. The SoSL model is staggering with one wing covered and one wing in
What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here )
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:58:12 -0800
From: "Sandy Adam"
To:
Subject: Re: UK Nats
Message-ID: <199810261156.LAA17638@beryl.sol.co.uk>
> What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here )
AJP Macquettes make a whole series of fantastic 1/48 brass kits of pre-war
and WW1 aeroplanes (+ Spirit of St Louis etc)
Have a look at
http://www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat/eng/maquette/primault/primault.h
tm
for some inadequately small pictures of how good these kits are. (They are
expensive though!)
Sandy
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:40:27 -0500
From: Don RInker
To: wwi
Subject: Re: UK Nats
Message-ID: <3634A5FB.1662@fast.net>
Sandy Adam wrote:
>
> > What's AJP ??? ( stupid mode on - 6:30am here )
>
> AJP Macquettes make a whole series of fantastic 1/48 brass kits of pre-war
> and WW1 aeroplanes (+ Spirit of St Louis etc)
> Have a look at
> http://www.cr-poitou-charentes.fr/artisanat/eng/maquette/primault/primault.h
> tm
> for some inadequately small pictures of how good these kits are. (They are
> expensive though!)
> Sandy
Just checked em out... Really impressive! Probably way out of my price
range. Looks like a good project for a retired modeler.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:21:44 -0700
From: John Berlien
To: wwi
Subject: Eduard Albatros DV Trade?
Message-ID:
With the October sale, I found myself with an extra Eduard
Alb. DV, "Blitz". I would like to trade one for the "Mailed
Fist" version, but I realize that (for some reason) that one
is not on sale, and therefore costs more, although to my
knowledge the only difference is the decals, right?
Anybody know what a fair trade might be? Perhaps someone
would like to just swap the decals?
Best regards,
Jack
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:09:53 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID:
On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, David R.L. Laws wrote:
> Sandy Adam wrote:
>
> > This is one of the recurring oversights of the decal industry. Why does nobody do a generic sheet in both scales of items such as Palmer stencils, propellor logos, "Lift here" stencils, "Do not take off with nobody in back cockpit" stencils, manufacturers badges decals &
> > stencils, strut stencils, presentation lettering, weight tables.
> > You could get a sheet for Allied and another for Central Powers - or just bang them on one sheet. Hell I'd buy stacks of the damn things
>
> WELL GUYS IS THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE DEAD IN THE WATER AT LEAST AS A
> GEENERAL COLLECTIVE OR SUBSCRIPTION EFFORT ?
>
> IF IT IS THEN ANYONE WANTING TO PARTICIPATE IN A SMALLER VERSION OF THE
> SAME PROJECT IDEA CAN EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST TO ME OFF LIST AND WE SHALL
> SEE IF THERE ARE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY A LIMITED RUN
>
> REGARDS
>
> DAVID
>
I am interested
peter fedders
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:18:11 -0600
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf"
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros DV Trade?
Message-ID:
Jack,
I did not use the kit decals when I built mine. If you are interested, =
send me your snail-mail address and I can send them--do you want the kit =
lozenge and rib stripes also?
Paul A. Schwartzkopf
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:12:34 -0500
From: "Steven M. Perry"
To: wwi
Subject: Emhar Mk IV
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19981026131234.0068a204@pop.mindspring.com>
Some months back there was some interest in a kit review in FSM of the
Emhar Mk IV WWI tank. I ran across that article recently. If anyone is
still looking for it, give me a shout Off-List.
The same issue has an article on converting Lindberg Jenny kits to a
Curtiss N-9H floatplane. I'm currently attempting this and so far it's a
fun project.
This was a hot issue list wise (7/93) as there is also a photo of a figure
by Robert Karr in addition to the two WWI articles.
sp
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:07:29 EST
From: Modelhound@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID:
"Me too, me too", standing on tippy toes and squeeling with delight.
Mike in Bellingham
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:23:42 -0600 (CST)
From: fedders
To: wwi
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Le Cigognes Decals
Message-ID:
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote:
> Thanks to the awesome generosity of a fellow list member, I have in my
> hands a set of Guynemer decals put out by Carpena. Just for giggles I
> decided to compare them against Americal's awesome sheet.
Whho or what is Carpena and how do I reach them
thanks
peter
>
> As I have said before when I first received the Americal decals, he has
> improved immensely since my copy of the N.124 sheet.
>
> With that in mind, I compared the two sets. While the storks are about
> the same on both sets, with Americal narrowly edging out Carpena, where
> Carpena shines in is the lettering. Don't get me wrong, I completely
> understand Americal's limitations with his process. Plus, this is in *no
> way* meant for people *not* to buy Americals Le Cigognes sheet. If you
> have an interest in French aircraft, you're doing yourself a disservice
> with *not* buying them. Americal sheet #110 is worth more than double
> the price.
>
> However, I do like the Carpena lettering, especially the "Vieux Charles".
> Plus, the smaller stencils are really well done by Carpena.
>
> The Carpena sheet contains decals for Guynemer's Nie.10 in what appears
> to be two guises (Americal only has the one) with two different "Vieux
> Charles" on the sides. It contains decals for a Nie.11; a Nie.17 with a
> cone'; two SPAD 7's; and one SPAD 13 with different markings.
>
> I highly recommend these.
>
>
> Matt Bittner
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:02:11 +0100
From: Pedro e Francisca Soares
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'"
Subject: RE: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
Message-ID: <01BE011B.878C0D80@fei1-p9.telepac.pt>
-----Original Message-----
From: Modelhound@aol.com [SMTP:Modelhound@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 7:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Palmer Aero Chord Decals - and others
"Me too, me too", standing on tippy toes and squeeling with delight.
Mike in Bellingham
Hey, I forgot to say I only want them if they're in the True Scale (you =
48ers can paint them by hand with one one of those paint rollers they =
sell in supermarkets, so you won't need decals).
Um abraco
Pedro
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:05:43 +0100
From: Pedro e Francisca Soares
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'"
Subject: RE: Le Cigognes Decals
Message-ID: <01BE011C.056575C0@fei1-p9.telepac.pt>
-----Original Message-----
From: fedders [SMTP:pfed@saladin.wustl.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 7:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Le Cigognes Decals
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 mbittner@juno.com wrote:
> Thanks to the awesome generosity of a fellow list member, I have in my
> hands a set of Guynemer decals put out by Carpena. Just for giggles I
> decided to compare them against Americal's awesome sheet.
Whho or what is Carpena and how do I reach them
thanks
peter
FWIW Carpena is a french manufacturer but I believe the latest sheets are being printed right here in Portugal.
Sometime I posted the french address in answer to a request by someone (Jim Lyzum ?)
If it was you Jim, did you get in touch with them? Had you any answer?
Um abraco
pedro
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:54:08 -0300
From: "cameron rile"
To: wwi
Subject: Canvas
Message-ID: <199810261350171@cameron.prontomail.com>
hi all,
am wondering if there is someone who still makes the canvas that was on ww1 aircraft. If so , does anyone have a contact address or number?
cam
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:14:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew Zivich
To: Multiple recipients of list
Message-ID:
I've been off-list for awhile but wanted to check to see if any new
aircraft (1:48) has hit the market. Does anyone know if Eduard has
released anything new since the Alb. Dr. I?
Also does anyone have any 5-color loz. decals, ups & downs for sale?
Thanks, Matt Z.
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