QB is one of those positions in the NFL where you really only get one chance to show your goods. There are very few do overs for QBs unless you were a high draft pick.

I can't believe guys like Rich Gannon and Stan Humphries are those rare anomalies in the NFL. IMO the problem is, if you aren't a first round pick, you aren't given years and years to either develop into a quality starter, or prove how mediocre you are as a QB.
In today's NFL there are no 'late bloomers' playing QB drafted outside of the first round. Either you look legit the moment you're allowed to finally start, or that's it.

Guys like Jason Campbell and Alex Smith were given YEARS by their original franchises to show something and came up lacking.

I don't know if Stanton will actually be the opening day starter for the Cards, and if he is, be able to keep the starting gig, but it's cool to see a guy who was stuck in depth chart hell finally get a shot.

Well, Fitzgerald decided to be loyal and we see what he's been given to work with. Hope this is a lesson for future FA's. Boldin left, played with a better QB and got a ring. Just annoys me when teams ruin HOFers in their prime.

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I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

Well, Fitzgerald decided to be loyal and we see what he's been given to work with. Hope this is a lesson for future FA's. Boldin left, played with a better QB and got a ring. Just annoys me when teams ruin HOFers in their prime.

It's sad when every NFL fan realizes how great Fitzgerald is, but there is nothing he can do about it.

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It's sad when every NFL fan realizes how great Fitzgerald is, but there is nothing he can do about it.

hes the barry sanders of this era. an all time great hampered by something or another outside of his control his whole career. such a shame, a total class act and great player. the cardinals should reward him with a trade to a contender at some point ala ray bourque

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Orton will never be in the same class as the Drew Brees or the Peyton Mannings or the Tom Bradys of the world. Kevin Kolb has the potential to be that kind of player.

Arians has shown that he can get the most out of QB's. Stanton ad to have something to begin with or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. My money is on him to do well. I don't see a Pro Bowler, but I don't see a bellyflop either.

Arians has shown that he can get the most out of QB's. Stanton ad to have something to begin with or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. My money is on him to do well. I don't see a Pro Bowler, but I don't see a bellyflop either.

Who? Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, yeah that must have been a real challenge.

Who? Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, yeah that must have been a real challenge.

You know those guys didn't just achieve greatness on their own. Especially Roethlisberger. I guarantee Ben tells everyone that Arians was a huge part of his growth.

It's kind of like suggesting that Bill Walsh wasn't that great of a coach because he had Montana, Rice and Craig. But they weren't Montana, Rice and Craig when they got there. They were just rookies who hadn't done anything.

You know those guys didn't just achieve greatness on their own. Especially Roethlisberger. I guarantee Ben tells everyone that Arians was a huge part of his growth.

It's kind of like suggesting that Bill Walsh wasn't that great of a coach because he had Montana, Rice and Craig. But they weren't Montana, Rice and Craig when they got there. They were just rookies who hadn't done anything.

Manning and Luck were #1 overall picks and two of the best QB prospects of all time. They could have had a monkey coaching them and still be great. Roethlisberger was headed into his 4th year and was already a Super Bowl Champion by the time Arians took over as Offensive Coordinator from WR coach in Pittsburgh.

I think Arians is a pretty good offensive mind, but I'm not going to give him much credit for those QBs.

Manning and Luck were #1 overall picks and two of the best QB prospects of all time. They could have had a monkey coaching them and still be great. Roethlisberger was headed into his 4th year and was already a Super Bowl Champion by the time Arians took over as Offensive Coordinator from WR coach in Pittsburgh.

I think Arians is a pretty good offensive mind, but I'm not going to give him much credit for those QBs.

Fair enough...I thought he was there much earlier in Ben's career so I stand corrected.

Can't say I recall actually watching much of 2002 Tim Couch, but his numbers were hardly different than the rest of his career.

He flashed the skills that made him get taken 1st overall and he led the Browns to the playoffs, with a number of 4th quarter comeback wins. His numbers might not have been great, but he was definitely more than adequate as a starter that season. He broke his leg in the last game of the season though, and never really recaptured the magic after that.

He flashed the skills that made him get taken 1st overall and he led the Browns to the playoffs, with a number of 4th quarter comeback wins. His numbers might not have been great, but he was definitely more than adequate as a starter that season. He broke his leg in the last game of the season though, and never really recaptured the magic after that.

Stop. Couch never flashed #1 overall skills. And he was only more than adequate as a starter for a couple games his whole career.

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