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Does anyone have access to the entire book review (Legend Meets Science)? I can only get the second page, and it is pretty scathing.

__________________"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker
"I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325
Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

__________________"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker
"I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325
Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

It's actually very difficult to listen to as it's pretty bad radio, particularly in the beginning. It's also right before the revelation of the Georgia hoax so there is a lot of hope and excitement coming from many of the people talking.

There's also mention of a John Cartwright foot fetish.

__________________Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer.

It's actually very difficult to listen to as it's pretty bad radio, particularly in the beginning. It's also right before the revelation of the Georgia hoax so there is a lot of hope and excitement coming from many of the people talking.

There's also mention of a John Cartwright foot fetish.

Foot fetish...good one!

Dr. Eisner has actually debated with Dr. Meldrum on the phone regarding the mid-tarsal break theory. He might have mentioned it during that show, I cannot remember. Dr. Eisner is a regular in the chat room for Bigfoot quest his blog talk name is FootDoc.

If it matters, I do not subscribe to the mid-tarsal break theory.

__________________"Get the proof, then deal with the protectionist angles later. 40 something years of beating the bush is enough. Put up or shut up."~Graz

I'd bet all my Bert's Bigfoot Suit Rental™ late charges and my 420 Bazooka Joe™ comics that Dr. Meldrum just wishes Bigfoot and anything and everything to do with 'it' would just go the **** away. I doubt we even want to know the hours he's spent agonizing over the stupid-stupid-stupid idea of him going public with his (for all intents and purposes) 'belief' in Bigfoot.

I'd not be surprised to find out he's already switched sides. If he hasn't, or won't, something that could happen is: Probably not in the near future, but a little later in his career, possibly when he knows he closer to death, and of course there's still no Bigfoot, he's going to 'certify' in some kind of scientific manner, something, maybe a print, a hair, a bone, definitely something not easily repulsed by laymen, as genuinely Bigfoot. It's an almost no lose proposition. At the worst it helps him. At best it exalts him. And he gets the last laugh. The ******!

I'd bet all my Bert's Bigfoot Suit Rental™ late charges and my 420 Bazooka Joe™ comics that Dr. Meldrum just wishes Bigfoot and anything and everything to do with 'it' would just go the **** away. I doubt we even want to know the hours he's spent agonizing over the stupid-stupid-stupid idea of him going public with his (for all intents and purposes) 'belief' in Bigfoot.

I can see that being the case. I know I feel that way sometimes.

__________________"Get the proof, then deal with the protectionist angles later. 40 something years of beating the bush is enough. Put up or shut up."~Graz

I'd bet all my Bert's Bigfoot Suit Rental™ late charges and my 420 Bazooka Joe™ comics that Dr. Meldrum just wishes Bigfoot and anything and everything to do with 'it' would just go the **** away. I doubt we even want to know the hours he's spent agonizing over the stupid-stupid-stupid idea of him going public with his (for all intents and purposes) 'belief' in Bigfoot.

I'd not be surprised to find out he's already switched sides. If he hasn't, or won't, something that could happen is: Probably not in the near future, but a little later in his career, possibly when he knows he closer to death, and of course there's still no Bigfoot, he's going to 'certify' in some kind of scientific manner, something, maybe a print, a hair, a bone, definitely something not easily repulsed by laymen, as genuinely Bigfoot. It's an almost no lose proposition. At the worst it helps him. At best it exalts him. And he gets the last laugh. The ******!

Why do you say that? According to media articles and tv programs, he seems like a fanatic, hellbent on proving it exists and ignoring scientific skepticism

If he hasn't, or won't, something that could happen is: Probably not in the near future, but a little later in his career, possibly when he knows he closer to death, and of course there's still no Bigfoot, he's going to 'certify' in some kind of scientific manner, something, maybe a print, a hair, a bone, definitely something not easily repulsed by laymen, as genuinely Bigfoot. It's an almost no lose proposition. At the worst it helps him. At best it exalts him. And he gets the last laugh. The ******!

From what I've seen, the standard tactic for proponents who realize that Bigfoot doesn't exist and don't want to admit it (or switch to the paranormal explanation) is to say that they've given up on looking for evidence and now want to devote their efforts to protecting "those magnificent animals."

__________________Open your mind and let the sun shine in. Let a wild hairy ape in there too, would you please? - William Parcher

You can fool too many of the people too much of the time. - James Thurber

From what I've seen, the standard tactic for proponents who realize that Bigfoot doesn't exist and don't want to admit it (or switch to the paranormal explanation) is to say that they've given up on looking for evidence and now want to devote their efforts to protecting "those magnificent animals."

Not really AMM. The standard tactic is to conclude bigfoot is not an animal because it can not be found, and to say its an alien/shapeshifter/etc

My example specifically refers to people who don't want to go that route (and those who don't want to admit that Bigfoot doesn't exist).

Its called Denial AMM, lol. While some may know bf doesnt exist, they will refuse to admit it, and will instead jump to different theories: Kind of like iceberg hopping: We can only hope that they face the truth when they all melt.

From what I've seen, the standard tactic for proponents who realize that Bigfoot doesn't exist and don't want to admit it (or switch to the paranormal explanation) is to say that they've given up on looking for evidence and now want to devote their efforts to protecting "those magnificent animals."

That's funny. Actually, I feel bad for the guy - not that he can't take care of himself. He's just gone too far out on a limb (as a 'scientist') it seems.

Is the 'Mid-tarsal Break' theory is his alone? That one never made real sense to me. Especially in light of the fact there's been barely a print that exhibits anything even resembling such a feature. It's a viable theory for a heretofore unheard of primate trait, AND a common anatomical feature of a heretofore unknown and otherwise unseen primate? To paraphrase a classic - "First time formulating a theory...doctor?" Seems he missed class that day they taught theorizing.

That one never made real sense to me. Especially in light of the fact there's been barely a print that exhibits anything even resembling such a feature.

I recall that he first came up with the theory upon discovering a trackway where some of the tracks showed only the front part of the foot being impressed in the ground. Boith myself and others have pointed out that this sounds like a trackway consisting of overlaid bear tracks and some non-overlaid front paw tracks.

Outside of that, the only other tracks that are said to have this feature are some tracks found by Paul Freeman (which appear to be overlaid bear tracks) and a single track associated with the Patterson-Gimlin filmsite (which has other explanations).

__________________Open your mind and let the sun shine in. Let a wild hairy ape in there too, would you please? - William Parcher

You can fool too many of the people too much of the time. - James Thurber

__________________"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker
"I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325
Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

"My intent was to portray the science behind the legend, and point out the accumulating trace and physical evidence that a growing number of scholars and professional scientists are giving objective consideration, both publicly and privately," Meldrum said.

Who are these "growing number of scholars and professional scientists"?

__________________Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum presented his paper, "A survey of footprints attributed to the Yeti: Is the Himalayan mystery on firm footing?" at the American Association for the Advancement of Science - Pacific Division (AAAS-PD) meetings held in San Francisco, August 17-19, 2009.

"Is the Himalayan mystery on firm footing?" Do you think his answer to his own question was no?

__________________Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

$130,000 to Dr. Jeff Meldrum, from the Mayfield Foundation in support of Meldrum's project titled "North American Ape Project (NAAP): 2008." The North American Ape Project (NAAP) seeks to detect and collect evidence through support from the Mayfield Foundation. This will be undertaken primarily by means of hair snags monitored by camera traps. In addition, fieldworkers will record vocalizations, document tracks and sample associated scat. Habitats will be analyzed for availability and distribution of food resources.

__________________Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum received a grant of $12,000 from Fidelity Investments for the project “Sasquatch in the North Cascades.” He was also awarded matching funds and equipment totaling nearly $5000 from Whitewolf Productions and associated sponsors.

__________________What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing.

I have record of all known grants and awards to him. I think it's approaching $200K. It's not entirely clear because the editors of the ISU Newsletter and ISU Headlines are slackers.

Nice work. I agree that there is value in this information for countering the whole "we can't get money to study bigfoot" nonsense.

Folks should bear in mind, however, that if this is money ISU knows about, then it's not like Meldrum can use this to trick out his office jacuzzi. Presumably, all of those smaller grants were given to him in response to some kind of a proposal. Thus, he's bound to actually do the things he outlined in each proposal, e.g., use the money to travel to some museum, buy some piece of equipment, hire staff to pore over endless stealth cam video. Two hundred grand wouldn't last very long for a field study. It's likely that ISU is taking overhead (~ 50% off the top is typical) for any grant over $5000. I pay $900/month for a truck, plus $0.45/mile. A graduate student runs the professor ~ $30 -$40k annually.

Yes, there is an obvious, material benefit to Dr. Meldrum continuing in his bigfoot delusions. But that doesn't mean that he's personally making money through his "research." His books, sure. But if he's actually doing what he claims to be doing in terms of his research program, he'd eat through $200k very quickly.

I agree that there is value in this information for countering the whole "we can't get money to study bigfoot" nonsense.

But it won't function as a real counter when you get right down to the local folks who make up the fabric of the folktale. I'm talking about the Okies, Texans and Ohioans who would insist that their turf is chock full of Bigfoots and would be even easier to survey than the PNW or Rocky Mountains.

Does anyone know who owns that big collection of plaster casts in Meldrum's lab? Is it him, or the ISU?

__________________Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

You mean, there might be a grad student somewhere at Idaho State University, helping Dr. Meldrum with his Bigfoot research? Imagine the tail that dude pulls at the Pocatello Pub on quarter beer night.

$$$

($$$= Cool Underground Stuff.)

__________________"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker
"I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325
Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

You see Shrike, a Bigfooter could still say that "we can't get money to study Bigfoot for anywhere other than the PNW and Rockies". Look at the sighting map. Meldrum needs to set up funded projects on the other side of the country.