19:52 - SpawdophonikDoes anyone live in an American suburb, if so is it still like this:

19:33 - Marcel Hubregtsebtw if you want to hear some really off the wall covers when compared to the originals listen to this split [link]

19:32 - Marcel HubregtseYeah that's a great cover. Loved at first listen when I got hold of the vinyl version of One in Darkness, Two in Damnation, Three in Death, 2002 - 2007 compilation on their tour in 2013.

10:39 - Ace FrawleyShit, just read this on Twitter: Due to some recent activity that we as individuals have zero tolerance for, Danny Walker is no longer the drummer in Intronaut. What the hell happened?

In many places across Europe it is evident that, after feeling frustrated by economic decline and/or a perceived social and cultural decay due to the influx of immigrants, far-right parties and politics are on the rise.

In Switzerland, minarets are banned from construction as a measure to curb Islamic cultural influence, in a country which is itself founded on neutrality.

In France, hundreds of Rroma from Bulgaria and Romania were rounded up and sent back home with hundreds of euros compensation in a desperate attempt to get more support from the old conservatives and xenophobes. The exact same deportees vowed to return to France the minute they set foot in the airport, as they were unlawfully expelled from there. The French government even fails at failing.

In Serbia, there were protests for the release of Ratko Mladic, a well-documented mass murderer who systematically tried to eliminate Bosniaks in the 1990s.

In Romania, a small party called Noua Dreapta (The New Right) promotes the ideas of the 1930s Legionary government of Romania, probably the most typical right-wing conservative party ever to exist around here: church and state unity, family values, and of course xenophobia, militarism, anti-homosexuality, anti-semitism and general ultra-nationalism. ND members are notorious for picking fights with everyone and protesting against the Gay Parade.

Obviously in the pursuit of a socially stable Europe there have been great steps achieved, but there is always someone out there who in pursuit of more power, awakens obsolete and morally rotten sentiments like xenophobia, nationalist pride, or ultra-conservatism. The NDP has called itself a "Party of grandparents and grandchildren", seeing as only old people who don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new developments in the demographics of europe would vote for such assholes.

Any other thoughts? developments in your own areas? in the words of the mighty Accept, i think it's time we "beat the bastards down" and expose these motherfuckers.

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This is so true in America. Coincidentally, the rise of the far right began when a black man was elected president. And some of the stuff they're trying to accomplish is crazy as shit. You ever heard of the Ryan Plan, where they intend to cut Medicare and a whole bunch of other social programs?

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I guess this kinds of views are rooted deep over here, and what scares me most, mostly among people my age. I guess historical frustration of the nation led to the glorification of a regime which was far from "independent" as it was called. I feel that there is no healthy patriotism in Croatia today, because its feeds upon a idea of a failed sellout "country", which is ( wrongly ) perceived as the fulfillment of centuries of national ideas of the Croatian people. Combine that with the traumas of the fall of communism and the events that followed, and you get a large ultra-nationalist mass. Luckily, that mass currently does not make a stand on the political scene, by voting for one of the ultra-nationalist parties ( mainly the ones formed by the division of the HSP-Croatian party of rights ). Parties, that on their websites claim to uphold traditional values ( patriotism, faith, family values ), but in fact propose ultra-nationalistic, almost "aryan croatian" view.

many croats gathered in Zagreb and suported him, he's same butchjer who shood go to cort

You probably mean A. Gotovina. True, that verdict is used to flame far-right ideas, but what rest of the world doesn't understand is that a very large number of people in Croatia consider the verdict, in its current form, as a attack on the legitimacy of the modern Croatian nation. The protests mostly come because of that, not xenophobic views ( but some use them as an excuse to express such views.).

In Spain we have a rise of the far right aswell. The best example is in Badalona, a town near Barcelona, when a racist bastard won the local election for the City Council with a very aggressive campaign. It is a very strange case, because this idiot belongs to PP, nowadays the most voted party in Spain, which happens to be neo-liberal conservatives but it has some far right factions aswell that are not condemned by the national direction of the party, which is said to be more moderate. In Catalonia the situation is especially bad, cause, apart from this story, they have a party (PxC) that are calling themselves as "xenophobic" and got to enter into some Councils and they were about to enter even into the Parliament.

This is something that always rise up in periods of crisis. And I think it is the best button to show that democracy definitely doesn't work.

This is something that always rise up in periods of crisis. And I think it is the best button to show that democracy definitely doesn't work.

Where is justic when nazie guy stabbed one anti fa when he was surrendet by 30 reds and try kill him, self denece and he get 29 years in jaik it was in a metro

extremists use those peruods, thats where EU and USA make big mistace , they shood know about cdrisis, think hwo deal whit it , Im not econimist but there was way avoid it , what is better for rich fat politican spend 1000 for dinner insteed 10 000 and save the world or see how extremists rice .

It was in Madrid, and videos show it was in no way in self defense. The guy entered into the underground and made some comment about the tee the nazi guy was wearing, in that moment, he stabbed him with no apparent reason.

And of course they know about the crisis, and they know it very well. Capitalism is a cyclic system, and their policies drive everything into crisis, and periods of crisis are completely predictible, why don't they avoided? I think they just can't, it would be "interventionism". They just let the banks speculate, not giving credit, not letting the cash flow, etc. And, meanwhile, they're living a fucking nice life spending tons of money.

I always say the same thing. It is not the immigrants who are robbing the country, but politicians and banks.

only old people who don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new developments in the demographics of europe would vote for such assholes.

Old people also have the life experience and knowledge, thus it'd be not wise to say they "don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new ways"...
New ways might not always be the best ways...

Oh yes, I am against far right... any kind of "far-anything" is usually bad... and I am against people who don't understand other cultures or who do awful things to others just because of their ethnicity...
On the other hand, if the "melting pot" of people is being created forcefully by making native inhabitants give up their way of life to make more room for the masses of immigrants, some of whom abuse the political correctness idea, then this can be viewed as a threat to all the cultures.
A good friend of mine was forced to leave his native country because of war (I am ashamed that our army is also there aiding the big occupants burn and pillage)... I was very sad to see how many times he had trouble finding an apartment because of his nationality. After all the same dudes who leave them homeless in their homeland and cause the situation where innocent people have to escape to other countries. There the same dudes preach about "political correctness and multiculturalism" and at the same time they make propaganda which depicts the victims as terrorist which makes it almost impossible for them to start a new life abroad and also impossible for the people of the "host country" to accept them...

The difference of cultures and races is something that makes the world a rich and wonderful place. But if someone mashes them all up under the flag of some "multiculturalism" then this will crush all the cultures and all the races. This would be very tragic if in the future the world would only consist of half-African (because all (Cauc)asians have disappeared) English-speaking people who all adhere to the same consumer-society with only bits and pieces of the previous cultures preserved and where most people would be genderless and bi-sexual (because being strictly heterosexual and non interracial in relationships is discriminating). If this is the "new development of demographics" then this is leading to a catastrophe.

Everything should be moderate... far-right ideology is not... but neither is the fundamentalist "multiculturalism" and "political correctness"...

Even in my home country its happening too (british nationalist party), dont get me wrong im supporting this but i can see why its happening for example a few months ago in england people were doing a minute of silence for the memory of world war 1 heroes during this one minute some muslims with long beards started chanting death to the infidels death to all Christians, come on people who does that! another reason some people are now finding that some fast food chains dont serve pork what the fuck! now in the uk u r not allowed to wear a cross cause u might offend the muslims!! even some schools ban Christmas trees for the same reason? and finally 2 days ago a teacher was nearly beaten to death because he was teaching a girl and her relatives came and nearly killed him the reason behind this is how can a man teach a girl!!! what the fuck in my own country i cant celebrate chrismas wear a cross eat pork and all thsi for people who live of our taxes they come here dont work just breed and take money and tell us how to live and threaten people all the time man recently im living with my dad cause of his work man even over here we are free to do what we want and we live by there rules and respect them i mean why come to the uk if u dont like it and think everyone are infidels fucking hypocrites! but not all people are like that at the same time most r hard working and good. anyway dont think im supporting these kinds of parties but i do understand why they are on the rise

I consider the people from Iran, Thailand and China white... well yes, I admit, Thais are more tanned but otherwise we're all (Cauc)asian...
I know people who are half-Asian or one quarter Asian and this doesn't show anywhere, they're white... the half-Asians usually have oriental eyes but otherwise they have light complexion...

I could be from Iran myself... Some Iranians can be blonder than an Estonian...

You forgot:
¤In Swe Sveriges Democraten get 6% and are in parlament, 1th time nazie party get here(hitoricaly after WWII only left winged rule)

I'm surprised it actually took that long before Sverigedemokraterna became a part of swedish politics. It's sad, but so far there hasn't been much of a problem. I guess there will be though, I bet they will get even more votes in the next election in two years from now.

Politics are so infuriating, but sadly they are one of my biggest passions.

I have been apart of many protests and was even in the occupy movement for a while. The current state of America is just abysmal right now. Both candidates are completely bought and sold already...it's really pick your poison. I can't handle Romney as a pres...and I think Biden is more aggressive so I will go with Obama again, but his promises of change are pointless due to a lobby controlled congress that is way to special interest oriented to actually accomplish anything to better my country.

There are some serious back woods far right movements right now that are just down right scary. In the state next to me, there is a HUGE group of extreme Nazi white supremacists who spew their hate and propaganda EVERYWHERE! Bricks with hate flyers going through people's windows, "minorities" cars being vandalized. Their main target is Mexicans and believe it or not Slavic decent right now because they feel that these two groups are taking over American jobs (many of these immigrants are willing to work under the table in my part of the country for quarters an hour). The worse part is they have a small group of politicians who are supporting them on the DL. They would never go public about it, but there is plenty of evidence that shows them cooperating. There is a picture of a high profile state Representative visiting their compound...

Then there are the fear mongers in the deep south...telling everyone that the end is coming. Be it a religious thing or a government controlled thing. They are telling people to stock up on bullets and guns. As many as you can get your hands on (because bullets will feed your family obviously). I worked with a guy who was in such bad debt and poverty that he couldn't afford to feed his family most weeks...but her RELIGIOUSLY purchased at least 100 rounds of ammo a week. The warehouse he was working at shut down...he is angry...very angry. The joke was that if it ever closed he'd come in guns a blazing...now that joke isn't so funny anymore. We have so many people in this country armed right now that it is just a ticking time bomb before a massacre happens. If the economy doesn't turn, people are going to start shooting in the poverty ravished neighborhoods.

Don't even get me started on the Tea Partiers ideas on retirement, social security, medicare/medicaid, the federal reserve (the most fucked up thing my country could of ever done), healthcare, and government assisted programs...fuck it's only 10am and I am already for a drink.

IMO they wil get innext one , but if there wont be dramatical changes in economy
But some way they can lil lost votes because of Braivik did what he did, IMO it lil open ppl eyes about right winged ppl extremism.

If they need fuck up lil skat, fuck up lil work places, and ppl wont wote... specely here at north, Reine promissed criat new work places, there no job in damn Norbottem

so but I dont know, Swe maybe next 20 years even how many right parties will rule wint happen such things.

I cant vote for rikstag, but I can only for Komun and that otrher(wtf it calls) .... and I dunno about what I will vote . honesly I dont know.

Denmark is worth .... close bridge n shengebn borders, by by cheep booze

PS Is it true Anders Borg want cell sythem bolaget to some privat companies and it would not eb state contyroled?

Haha, I have no idea what Borg is planning when it comes to Systembolaget.
And I don't know, don't really think Breivik will kill votes for Sverigedemokraterna. Lately there's been so much coverage of immigrant related crimes. Such as that old man being assaulted by a group of very young teenagers or that mom being raped by a group of immigrants a couple of months ago. Stuff like that will make people vote for Sverigedemokraterna, sadly some individuals can change the public belief in no time. One immigrant does one bad thing, suddenly swedes think all immigrants are like that.

A lot of European NS extremists find refuge in the United States where they are free to promote their white power music, propaganda and so on. There are a lot of Polish "Social Clubs" that are run by predominately Polish skinheads. I have also met national socialists from Belgium and Germany.

The rise of the "Right" is directly linked to the existence and pushing of the left/liberal agenda. So for years we were conservative, now the liberals are in power regardless of where you are and they have gone more "south" than they should, so to tip the scales, you are pushed towards the right, because no one really goes to the middle anymore.

LGBT, Islam, Feminism, minorities, immigration, kicking out God out of the equation, sex and drugs being pushed in your face, I am surprised it did not happen sooner.

Neither does the far left, but it already happens. I think the other problem is hypocrisy. In the USA for instance, you can have Black History Month, All Black Clubs, Schools, TV stations but if you had anything with White in it you are a racist. I think you also mistake that every "far right" means automatically WP movement. No, the far right for the most part is just sick of the bullshit and double standards. People consider me a "conservative" and "right" although I am the middle, since there are things that I agree with the left and disagree with the right. I am all for balance, but that balance will not happen.

If they take over they will not be in power for very long. They do not have enough people to support them.

I am looking what is going on in the USA, and these are supposed to be "Democrats" in charge, however, I see more of freedoms getting lost every day, and certain groups like the minorities getting preferential treatment, which does not please me at all. But that is another story.

Neither does the far left, but it already happens. I think the other problem is hypocrisy. In the USA for instance, you can have Black History Month, All Black Clubs, Schools, TV stations but if you had anything with White in it you are a racist.

The reason they had "black history" month is because there is a massive history where they're rights had been taken away. The "all black" themes is to give something back, so they can gather back some of there culture. It would be racist to treat white people the same after the past, the whites have always had everything they wanted in the USA from the start.

Neither does the far left, but it already happens. I think the other problem is hypocrisy. In the USA for instance, you can have Black History Month, All Black Clubs, Schools, TV stations but if you had anything with White in it you are a racist.

The reason they had "black history" month is because there is a massive history where they're rights had been taken away. The "all black" themes is to give something back, so they can gather back some of there culture. It would be racist to treat white people the same after the past, the whites have always had everything they wanted in the USA from the start.

So basically you support racism, because if your entire argument boils down to the bullshit para-feminist argument of presumed "white privilege" and basically all of us who are white have no right to be proud of the accomplishments of our race, but everyone else should and could. I call bullshit on that. "Whites have always had everything they wanted" are you for real? What is everything they wanted?

I keep looking at the blacks here in the USA, and they have not done shit for themselves all those years, which makes me wonder if some of the arguments from "Uncle Tom's Cabin" were correct.

So basically you support racism, because if your entire argument boils down to the bullshit para-feminist argument of presumed "white privilege" and basically all of us who are white have no right to be proud of the accomplishments of our race, but everyone else should and could. I call bullshit on that. "Whites have always had everything they wanted" are you for real? What is everything they wanted?

I keep looking at the blacks here in the USA, and they have not done shit for themselves all those years, which makes me wonder if some of the arguments from "Uncle Tom's Cabin" were correct.

"I" support racism

Oh yes, the all important accomplishments of the American white mans history . Of cause the black people are still having trouble getting they're shit together, wounds from that kind of history would be hard to heal, emotions and attitudes toward society would be damaged and passed down through the generations, especially with innocent black people still getting shot in the street by white cops.

Ok maybe not "everything" they ever wanted, but they have been the most privileged and had the most freedom .

You are the racist here mate, you are articulate i give you that, you definitely know how to be blatantly racist whilst talking yourself around it so that it sounds justified, which is what you will do no matter how many times you get proved wrong. I have seen it in the other threads which is why i won't engage in one of your round and round arguments.

So basically you support racism, because if your entire argument boils down to the bullshit para-feminist argument of presumed "white privilege" and basically all of us who are white have no right to be proud of the accomplishments of our race, but everyone else should and could. I call bullshit on that. "Whites have always had everything they wanted" are you for real? What is everything they wanted?

I keep looking at the blacks here in the USA, and they have not done shit for themselves all those years, which makes me wonder if some of the arguments from "Uncle Tom's Cabin" were correct.

"I" support racism

Oh yes, the all important accomplishments of the American white mans history . Of cause the black people are still having trouble getting they're shit together, wounds from that kind of history would be hard to heal, emotions and attitudes toward society would be damaged and passed down through the generations, especially with innocent black people still getting shot in the street by white cops.

Ok maybe not "everything" they ever wanted, but they have been the most privileged and had the most freedom .

You are the racist here mate, you are articulate i give you that, you definitely know how to be blatantly racist whilst talking yourself around it so that it sounds justified, which is what you will do no matter how many times you get proved wrong. I have seen it in the other threads which is why i won't engage in one of your round and round arguments.

So basically you argue that people should forever stay in the same mentality and live in past times instead of advancing to towards the future and living now? Every country on the planet had some for of death, destruction and inhumanity inflicted upon it. The Serbs lived under the whip of the Ottoman Empire for almost 500 years and yet we moved on forward, and while yes we remember what happened, it is not our sole point in existence. South America got invaded by Spain, and they did not have that great of a time either, but they moved forward. You sound like a typical liberal I'm sad to say. Not to put the words in your mouth, but you would seem to endorse the Post Traumatic Slave Disorder that the blacks have developed to continue doing absolutely nothing to make themselves better. Another cope out. "I can't work because the White man is keeping me down." "I can't work because "the man" said so." When in all truth and honesty they are just lazy pieces of shit that do not want to do anything to make their lives better, instead they would rather go on the government tit is spawn a generation of Wellfare cases.

The funny thing is, the Blacks actually started rebuilding their lives and up until 50's and 60's they were doing alright, but since the family unit got destroyed, Christianity lost hold, they descended into the primitive state like you would find in Africa. I just recently seen some pictures from Africa where instead of pit bulls and pistols, you have blacks in Africa with Hyenas and AK's, so the mentality does not change. They created a culture of dead beat dads, shitty moms, drugs dealers and pimps who they glorify in order to the the "hustlah" or a "baller" whatever the hell that means. Blacks like Muslims wherever they go, or move to, reduce the property the value of the area they move in, the crime increases along with stupidity and violence and everything regresses. The reason us "whites" or lets throw Asians to the mix because they seem to know what they are doing, in a span of a generation come with nothing and make something of themselves. Then the next three, four generations are solid. The Blacks, Natives, Muslims, Mexicans and others, have all the advantage here in the USA, to get a job, to get free education, to be assisted by the government because of their race, color, or religion and yet they seldom if ever take that chance. It is easier to sit on the couch and do nothing. Also, all the people who experienced slavery are dead, and your "innocent blacks" are shot because they are stupid. They dress like thugs, they act like thugs, resist arrests, have an attitude towards the police and of course they will get shot. Also, not to get into the innocent versus guilty argument, but the majority of those blacks that were shot were and fault, only one or two were wrongful shootings. Which I also find interesting that someone will pull up 10 shootings and always throw "white police officer/male shoots a black person" and yet we never see the info on how many of these blacks shoot other blacks and white people. But white people are expendable and because we are white we deserve to die so we can atone for our "crimes." I call bullshit on that. And I would send you first chance I had to Chicago, Detroit or Atlanta, and you would maybe change your tune, but I don't think so.

If they take over they will not be in power for very long. They do not have enough people to support them.

I am looking what is going on in the USA, and these are supposed to be "Democrats" in charge, however, I see more of freedoms getting lost every day, and certain groups like the minorities getting preferential treatment, which does not please me at all. But that is another story.

You're underestimating how easy it is to convince the mob into following your ideas. Just think Nazi Germany. All it takes is one charismatic leader able to rally people to his ideas through common "enemy" (which now seem to be immigrants in EU).

As for the US, from my perspective, both democrats and republicans are practically the same to me, same sides of the shitty coin. Whoever gets to sit on the iron throne power, the imperialistic world-cop policy remains the same, if not worse.

If they take over they will not be in power for very long. They do not have enough people to support them.

I am looking what is going on in the USA, and these are supposed to be "Democrats" in charge, however, I see more of freedoms getting lost every day, and certain groups like the minorities getting preferential treatment, which does not please me at all. But that is another story.

You're underestimating how easy it is to convince the mob into following your ideas. Just think Nazi Germany. All it takes is one charismatic leader able to rally people to his ideas through common "enemy" (which now seem to be immigrants in EU).

As for the US, from my perspective, both democrats and republicans are practically the same to me, same sides of the shitty coin. Whoever gets to sit on the iron throne power, the imperialistic world-cop policy remains the same, if not worse.

So far the ideas are going wayyyyyy to left for my taste, the "political correctness" is a huge problem, because all kinds of stupidity is allowed and protected.
I agree with you, there is no difference between Republican and Democrat when it comes to power, but the thing they differ on is conservatism or liberalism, and each tries to limit the other, aside from that, war, poverty, death, social issues and everything else keeps cycling through day in and day out.

The "it's economics" cliche (Hard life in Sweden with the rise of the Swedish Democrats?), the NPD has 0 seats in the Bundestag, Swizerland's neutrality has nothing to do with banning minarets or burqa in France for that matter (which is partly banned in Syria, Turkey, Tunisia and Morocco) and problems with gypsies 'integrating' is a fact.

What frightens the European left is that their dream of a Utopia is falling apart, the conservatives and Eurosceptics are gaining significant of popularity across Europe and that's thanks to the former's inability to discuss these issues at all (terminating conversations with personal accusations) or in a meaningful way (thought terminating cliches).

No, being conservative does not put you in the "far right". Labeling and describing events with loaded language is not an argument that addresses the relevant issues.

There is a movement some name Cultural Libertarians which are too becoming more popular in face of the authoritarian left. None of them are "far right".

The Western culture is indeed falling apart thanks to the anti-realists of the 60s, mostly French, becoming gospel in universities (in the humanities ). The idea of searching for the truth in a conversation has been replaced by the idea there is no truth and hence no point in the search for it. So instead we get identity politics, race-wars, personal attacks, sensitivity training and the likes. It introduced a set of extremely annoying and by this point dangerous practices.

The idea that relativism has anything to do with tolerance is stupid, ironic and annoying.
The idea that 'racism' is something to be described only as personal experience (unless you'e a Jew, then it's just X; apologetics, victim-hood, epiphenomena) is again, stupid and annoying.

The fact is people who call themselves "left" today have more in common ideologically with totalitarian regimes from the last century than the ideological content of the Enlightenment (yes, I'm aware of the many criticisms of the Enlightenment, I just don't buy into all of them and the melodramatic replacements offered).