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"Why would we bother about making a remake, if a kid's already doing it for us?" - Welcome to...

Just to let you know who I am, not that you care much about it, eh?

I'm ZEL, does the name ring a bell? Then how about "I'm the guy behind the game called Shiny Gold", yes, I think the game's name does sound more familiar...
Well, Shiny Gold is a rom hack (which means it must be played on a emulator, if you ever got the pirated version then it's not my business, ask for a refund if you can), also it's a fan game I do whenever I get bored of my Uni life.
Unlike some other more advanced hackers, I'm still an unexperienced rom hacker learning to do all kinds of stuff (this is my first hack, after all), though, scripting is my strong point, and you'll notice it when you play the game.
Even when Shiny Gold has become a popular hack, I don't want to consider it only because its popularity (well gained), because there are many other aspects interesting to the game (and because it would be a little offensive to all the hard work I put in this whole year of production), but play it if you want. And don't forget that, as me, there are a lot of other rom hackers giving their best efforts to bring you quality games, you should be checking those games as well
Meh, I'm not used to long speeches, so let's get back into business shall we?

Here I post all the planned and already implemented features the hack has/will have. For the planned stuff, I usually think on smaller things
so I don't tend to promise a lot of impossible features (if there can be bigger things obviously I won't reveal them, just in case I fail at making them)

Don't think this is gonna be a 100% Gold Remake, it'll have its differences. Extra battles (some'll be optionals, tough but rewarding) Hoenn Pokemon (in every area, and hard to find) New areas GS music (remixed thx to clonex25, birthofdna and Magnius) Remapped some dungeons (so your old guides wont work, je) Extra recurring characters (some'll hate you, some'll help you) Phone booths in replace of the phone system of the PokéGear The return of the Trick House with new puzzles! Plans for the future: Some moves will have field effects. More to come...

Here you will be able to keep track on the threads latest news, without needing to be reading lots of pages!
(All the last info happening on the hack OR the thread will be listed here with a link to the corresponding post)

Check this section often, as it will tell you how far I am from my goals and where the next Beta is planned to end

How this should be read: FINISHEDWORKING NEXT

Add the legendary's OWs (should be done quickly)Thinking/Mapping and Implementing the mini-games and Trick House puzzles (this will surely take SOME time)
Adding more GSC music remixes (variable time, not sure)
Do a first bug fixing on the list of known bugs (may also take some time)
Start the Beta testing and keep fixing bugs from the list or the ones detect through the testing (most likely, two weeks)
Release the Beta

This is my personal status, if I ever have to do something different than being rom hacking (like leaving or having to study),
I'll write it here. Just to avoid any "where's zel or what is he doing?" talk

Zel's Current Status is:"Got a new job, so that, combined with the usual college assignments, leaves me few hacking time during the week. I'll try to see how I can order my schedule, but for sure, hack's development will be delayed greatly T_T"

Before you try to ask something check the following list of common questions, none of this questions should be asked again, because Rule No.4 applies to them

List last Updated on: 2008-01-07

Spoiler:

GENERAL FAQS---

Q: Why are my posts getting deleted??? (C)
A: Well, don't forget that, besides the usual Rom Hacking section rules <link>, some additional rules (in the Rules section in this post) were added in order to keep the thread cleaner and nicer, as long as mods really take their job seriously.

Q: Can I patch over an older patched Beta? Can I continue from an older Beta save? (C)
A: To my knowledge, both answers are negative. Patching over patching and using an older Beta save bring a lot of more errors than when playing the game normally from the beginning. So, don't get too attached to your Pokemon while playing the Beta versions.

Q: Is this game Complete? When will it be complete? (C)
A: It's still in Betas Phases, and there's no way I could tell a date, not even an approximation. Don't want to say a date, just for saying later "I didn't make it on time". So, it'll be finished when it's finished.

Q: Is this a 100% remake? I want a 100% remake!!! (C)
A: It will NEVER be a 100% remake. If you understand that, then let's proceed. I will be adding some extra events and specially some extra locations after the defeat of Red, just because I want the game to be longer than the original was. And, the other thing is that it's just too dificult to add some features that the original had. Then it'll never be a "pure" remake.

Q: How far does the Beta go? Where does the Beta ends? (C)
A: Ehhhmmm... Didn't you notice the big sign saying "Beta's Length" when you downloaded the last release?

Q: When will the next Beta be released? (C)
A: As soon as I reach my "Second Goal", don't forget I hack as I'm playing the original Gold, so as soon as I reach a certain point, which I call my "Second Goal", I will release the Beta (by the way, in the "First Goal" I always start to release screenshots of the next Beta)

Q: How many more Betas will there be? (C)
A: Let's see... The next release (Beta5) will go up to Fuchsia, then Beta6 will go up to Mt.Silver, then Beta7 will have all the extra locations and events, then a few bugfixes till we get the free-of-glitches final version

Q: Are all Pokemon in? (C)
A: The correct answer is all 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation will be in (this includes all the legendaries as well) But, since the 4th belong to Sinnoh, they won't be in, even if there are some slots to put some of them. A definitive no.

Q: Will you make the three birds catchable? (C)
A: Not answering how you'll get them, but you'll get them.

Q: Is the GS-Ball in? Is Celebi in?(C)
A: Yes, it is. You obtain it during your first trip to Kanto. This also means the Celebi event is in as well (read the walkthrough if you want more information)

Q: Which starters can I find? (C)
A: I will not directly say that information, but you may want to check the walkthrough for that.

Q: Will there be night/day or Pokegear? (C) (Changed the answer a bit)
A: After thinking for a while, I'm not really gonna implement it, consider it as one of my deviations. What I'm trying to do now is looking for alternatives to Pokégear's functions. However, about day/night it's certainly a possibilty

Q: Is Kanto in? And what about Hoenn, Sevii, Battle Frontier, etc? (C)
A: Since this is a remake, both Johto and Kanto are in. But the rest won't be, obviously. If you are wondering how I am putting Johto and Kanto, well, I'm just overwriting the Sevii for my Johto.

Q: Will this have G/S music? (C)
A: Yes, thanks to birthofdna and Magnius' help. So, just wait for the next releases. By the way, I plan on putting some DP music (a few) for the extra parts of the game.

Q: Do you know that FR has some GSC music already? (C)
A: Yes, yes. I know that.

Q: And what will you do with the Silver exclusives? (C)
A: They are also gonna be (in their respective locations), but rare (not as rare as the Hoenn Pokemon, but expect to wander around a bit to find them)

Q: Will you do a stronger E4? (C)
A: First, remember you have the "X" version for a harder challenge. And then, there's gonna be a second wave for the time you need to battle again to go to Mt.Silver.

Q: Does anybody have codes for SG? (C)
A: Refering to cheat codes, huh? Well, SG is FR in the end, so FR's codes will work. However, I'll always discourage the use of cheats. Specially after a few people seemed to have problems after using some cheats.

Q: What is SGX, and what's the difference? (C)
A: SGX (Shiny Gold "X"), is an edited version of Shiny Gold. Its only purpose is to give a harder time to the player when battling against other trainers or leaders. It's a bit less remake this way, but it is more challenging.

Q: I want to play SG on my real GBA (C)
A: The answer is simple: Buy a flashcard, that's all I can really say about it, because I don't know about flashcards or the process to put a game into one. However, that's stuff that does not relate to the topic. So ask somewhere else.

Q: Will you do Silver, Crystal? (C)
A: No. Shiny Gold stands on its own to be a single game.

GAMEPLAY FAQS---

Q: Why can't I go into the Lighthouse? (C)
A: Because you are playing a really old Beta. Probably, if you are playing a bought version, that means you got the "pirate" version, and so, I cannot be responsible for that (if you can, get a refund). The latest releases are meant only to work on PCs, without spending money on them (and they reach further than the pirate versions). Get the rom and my patch in order to play.

Q: Why can't I enter the Ice Path? (C)
A: Because you have an old Beta, so just download the last release.

Q: Wow! I found a Hoenn Pokemon, is something wrong? (C)
A: Not at all, Hoenn Pokemon can be found running wild at every route and every dungeon, but, being Hoenn Pokemon at Johto/Kanto, they are really rare to find.

Q: I can't do the Farfetch'd event! Help! (C)
A: If you want a better explanation, you'll have to read the walkthrough.

Q: Why has been altered the Badges Order? or... Where can I get the third Badge? (C)
A: These are related. The Badges Order has been modified in order to give them in the order of Gold, however, we must respect FR's order for their HM effects, so you'll see them in a different order in your Trainer Card, but their HM effects remain as in the original.

Q: I can't find the Whirlpool HM!!! (C)
A: Search the moves from the Clamperl you receive from Lance, it has the Whirlpool move. If you released it, then the only way is to capture another Pokemon with the move, such as Wailmer or some other who can learn the move naturally.

Q: Where is the Machine Part? (C)
A: Look in the corresponding spoiler in the Tourist Center section in this same post (don't forget it will show up after you've done the Amelia event at the Power Plant)

Q: How do the trading-evolution Pokemon evolve? (C)
A: If you got the answer "you must trade, as always", just ignore that answer. At Shiny Gold those kind of Pokemon will evolve thru new ways, most of the time, with the use of stones, or at a certain Level. I don't like spoiling that info, but you have the walkthrough that may help you with some of the Poke.

Q: I have the Spearow with the mail and the fat guy I'm supposed to deliver the mail to won't accept it! (C)
A: In fact, all you need to do is remove the mail from the Spearow, as he cares about the mail, not the Pokémon.

Q: How can I get Umbreon or Espeon? (C)
A: By using a Moon or Sun Stone respectively. Find the stones yourself or search in the walkthrough.

Q: Why do the non-Johto starters seem to be at Lv1? (C)
A: Because they aren't called "starters" for anything.

Q: How can I obtain <insert legendary here>? (C)
A: In B5 you will be able to obtain Ho-oh, Celebi, the three legendary dogs and Jirachi, you may want to read the walkthrough if you want to know how to get (some of) them. About the rest... The ones that showed up at Gold will mantain their events, and the rest have their events already planned. Most of them will be obtainable in their own events and at the Final Release.

Q: Where do I get Rock Smash? (C)
A: Yay, a pretty common question that should be in the walkthrough, but I'll answer here anyway. You get the HM from the fat guy to the right of Sudowoodo, as soon as you defeat or capture the tree.

Q: What's the deal behind the Jirachi?
A: I'm not gonna answer this for a long time, someone has to discover it.

PROBLEMS CAUSED BY BAD ROMS OR PATCHING PROBLEMS---

Q: How come Carlos (or other trainers) has a MissingNo. with Wonder Guard? I cannot hit it! (C)
A: Patching or bad rom problem. Make sure to be patching over a clean FR rom (you may suspect about the rom, so getting one from a different site could help)

Q: Why do my starter is not evolving? (C)
A: Patching or bad rom problem. I have played with all the starters and they evolved just fine.

Q: What happened to my TM case? Why are my Pokemon not obeying and my name is changed?
A: Patching or bad rom problem, most likely. I am not certain. In the end, if you want to avoid this kind of problems, you could: Make sure the game saves and loads normally (so it can save at the E4), but then just use save states. It could be risky, though

These are all the problems reported in the game. They are a lot, but, not all of them are critical, and not all of them are even bugs, rather stuff that will behave differently. Just pay attention to the status/fixable part if you want to know more about what I'm planning to do about it.

Spoiler:

Use the CODE number for easier reference when talking about bugs (when they get repeated)
Maybe it could be too much with this list being an image file, but I did it to save me some time. If you think this messes up the thread, or the forums (or the connection of people XD), just tell me and I'll try to think on something else...

Here's a good list of banners, along with the HTML codes needed for them to work in your sig, so just copy and paste whatever you like

Even though the game will have a similar section (and the Intro Message at the game contains a few thanks to the people who helped for the last release),
I think it is necessary to make a list with all the people who have been helping me through the different development and testing phases

WAH (www.wah.studiopokemon.com) and Sergio (hosting and care for my hack, also Sergio for some scripting tips)Pokecommunity (hosting and being a place where I feel I belong)Youtube and its people (part of the game's popularity is because of their videos)Marnic (sprites)Gridiron and Fangking Omega (sprites, tiles, and being a nexus with the people of Project Platinum, to whom I wish the best of luck)Enrico Marini (sprites)Red (some sprites & some scripting tips)Green Charizard for the PC and Mart tiles (editted by me, since I had to make them the same size as in B4), sorry GC, I forgot to add you in the credits in the intro of the game...Marz, flipboi, Shurikenway, Erimgard, Went and Raz (testing)Neos (title screen)Mastermind_X (for the shiny hack, and general advice)foullump For telling me about how the bike problems could be fixed... Though now there are more problems involving running... XDbirthofdna, Magnius, clonex25 (musical stuff)Teh Baro (for his guides on some special scripts, and for his guide about level scripts)dirk123 (walkthrough)Giovanni Boss (SG-Dex)~JIM~ and Rogy, from SP forums (for their Phone tiles)
The tools creators, without them this hack could not exist
The people who had been posting bugs, but not being repeatitive
That's all I can remember right now, if I forgot somebody, send me a PM

I'll post any walkthrough (or pics, or whatever helps to avoid getting questions about the current releases gameplay) you want to do
on the game (being it about the whole game or specific parts), since I don't want an "Official" guide, anyone can make his/her own

Here will be the Betas and other goodies you could download, so it's the most important place in this first post!

The Beta ends at Fuchsia. Even though you are more free to do events in your own way this time. Basically, you can explore the center/east of Kanto.Don't forget to check this thread before trying to play the Hack!If you have problems, don't forget to check the Walkthrough in the Tourist Section just above!

If any one wants a staff area for their hack at my forums. I will host you. I have 1 slot open. I will soon be opening more hack areas. I am willing to customize it for you. Just PM me for details.Other hacks hostedPokemon Top Secret

hey zel u probly dont remember me i iant been on in ageeeesssss only reason i come on every now n then is for this hack man its realy awesome , i mean really over the top just da best , i cant w8 til completed version comes out i no its gona take a while but il w8 patiently its gona be so wikid wen it does! gl man !

OK, since the thread is just starting I want everyone to have a good look at the First Post, specially the Rules, because they will be important so the thread's cleaner this time.

So, enough with the "welcome back" posts, and let's get back into business.

Well, as I haven't been around PC lately, but still I was doing a few things, I have many news to tell, but I'll be saying them little by little.

I'll start by saying (if you were wandering at youtube you may already know) that I started changing some music (with birthofdna's GSC remixes), so here's the link to the first BGM change I made: link Obviously, I've been doing more changes than just that, but better leave that for when you play the next Beta.

The next thing is that I've been playing with palettes and tiles a bit more, and I've improved my general mapping, so here you have a screenshot of how things look now:Not that convinced of the grass tile I made...
And, once again, there are more tile changes than just those. But they'll be seen during the next screenshots release.

More surprises will come (if you've taken a look at the first post, you may also notice them, but I'll talk about them soon)

About Status: I'm starting with Celadon, but I'm having a hard time because of the tile changes I did have destroyed a big part of it (if you did the Kanto glitch you know what I'm talking about )

Well, SG is back. Don't forget to read H.Sotomura's Before Playing a Hack if you are new to this patching thing (Don't forget to set the Flash 128k option in Options->Emulator->Save Type, BEFORE you load the rom into the emu for the first time, you need to be able to save properly)
Also don't forget that all the links in all your banners are outdated now, so they should be updated (you can manually do this if you change the old value it had for this new one: 100537, but I've also updated the HTML codes in the "Bannerland" section), else everyone will be going to the old thread The banners I uploaded when the thread started were edited so they don't send you to a place called "CAMBIAR", now they send you to this thread, so use them from now

Wow, so much earlier than I expected! Through talking to you on MSN, it sounded like you needed a real break, but you came through for everyone yet again. Zel, you're amazing, you know that?

Anyways, huge congratulations on having re-done the entire thread, and by the looks of it, it should keep out at the very least half of those spammers out, but there's always going to be people not having the time to (or so they think) read the first post.

I realized that that banner I posted up in the last thread is actually pretty bad, so I'll probably be working on a better one, because I really want you to replace that one...

Anyways, good luck zel, I'm rooting for you and SG 100%! Although, take your time, because the longer you take, the better it'll be, eh? ;D

[Business talk]

Zel, those new palettes you got in there look stunning. They're not too off with your custom dark-green palette that basically goes through the whole outdoor game. The flowers look nice, and I see you've added in those cool little flower tiles. Are they animated, like FR's flower tile? I mean, do they move back and forth and whatnot.
Another question, have you changed the trees at all? They look different. It may just be my memory of Pokemon Eclipse's DP tileset, the trees were different than yours, but still, I can't help think that you've changed your trees, too. Let me know.

BTW, those new tiles you've implemented look great! And I heard the remixed music while browsing on Youtube a few weeks ago, and it sounds pretty good. The only weird thing is that it doesn't quite fit in with the other midis in the 3rd-gen games. Even though it's remixed, they're still the sort of beeps and tones that we had to get used to hearing back in 1st and 2nd gen games... Maybe listen to the music and just entirely make a midi from scratch instead of recording the original tones and edit them a bit?

Well, the tiles. We will discuss them until the end of the times. The two-little-leafs one is very nice. The new flowers (looks like an old fire flower from Mario Bros, lol) well, can do good. But the little three red and white things... I don't really like it :\ And, um, did you change the main grass tile? I see a bit and it looks different...

The ending has not been edited at all (and I don't know how much about it can be edited, well, maybe the texts and the graphics), but not the events where Gary comes out of the building and so on...

You can change the sprites that come out of the Indigo Plateau because they are on the map. (So it could be Mary and Oak, or maybe Carlos?) and I have made a list of the Unzl numbers for the ending graphics, just tell me if you want it.

Two quick glitches, everything else worked fine for me but for some reason the boat won't go to Kanto the second time. I'm on the boat and the sailor keeps saying they'll make an announcement. I've talked to everyone on the boat I could find and nothing seems to happen. Is there something I'm supposed to trigger? Same with the Celebi event, I go into union cave but nothing happens and Kurt doesn't react to the GS Ball at all.

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