What are ORBS?
Well they certainly aren't camera errors.
Orbs are 360 degree bodies of light. That is what we all are when we are pure consciousness.
They are entities from other galaxies or parallel time lines, observational orbs, other beings or vortexes.

What does it mean when we see them in our pictures?
These entities are observing us. Possibly it is someone you knew or someone you are going to know. Or, they are deciding
to incarnate to this plane of demonstration, so they can evolve their spirit.

We are all learning something, no matter where we are or what we look like!

Why can't we see them without a camera?
Once your frequency rises up the light scale, you will !!!
Take pictures, observe that they are there and your level of acceptance will become greater. Once you are ready, you will
see them everywhere.

If you are seeing the orbs, you will also be seeing the bands (or aura) of a person, plant or animal.

Dazzling glare effect in the Carl Zeiss lens of the camera for sure :yes:

Some cameras are equipped with lenses which reduces or negates the polarize effects. Butsome are not.

Maybe a person good at photography can correct me with proper terms :D

(For me, I don't believe in 'miracles' in Buddhism. Buddha said to think form own own minds and decide. In Buddhism I haven't seen any where, where Buddha preaches about miracles.)

For me this is just a fault in the photograph. (the lens) :)

Asitha-K

06-20-2008, 02:20 PM

oya gena mehema kiwwoth,

What are ORBS?
Well they certainly aren't camera errors.
Orbs are 360 degree bodies of light. That is what we all are when we are pure consciousness.
They are entities from other galaxies or parallel time lines, observational orbs, other beings or vortexes.

What does it mean when we see them in our pictures?
These entities are observing us. Possibly it is someone you knew or someone you are going to know. Or, they are deciding
to incarnate to this plane of demonstration, so they can evolve their spirit.

We are all learning something, no matter where we are or what we look like!

Why can't we see them without a camera?
Once your frequency rises up the light scale, you will !!!
Take pictures, observe that they are there and your level of acceptance will become greater. Once you are ready, you will
see them everywhere.

If you are seeing the orbs, you will also be seeing the bands (or aura) of a person, plant or animal.

Shall we look back and see how our discussion evolved? Think how we try to justify things by citing varous finding; experimental results; references to Damma; etc. It's now at standstill, without a conclusion. Did you wonder why?

Dhamma discussions are somewhat different. Participangs discuss what disclosed by Sammasambuddha Gauthama. Anmazingly they always end up enhancing/ reenforcing our understanding. Wasn't this a Damma discussion?
It may be good if we can think that the lights are devine and be happy :)
As we saw from the posts not all of us can/should accept the lights. We should not think about lights if it hinders our coming to Shraddha.

As you know we may not see Devathawan unless we have Dibba Chakku (i.e. "divas"; divine eye) or the Devaths want us to see them (we know well that we cannot understand the mindset of Devathavan).

As you may have realized; we can never come to a conclusion on this topic by disucssing or arguing. I think our discusion is futile; unless we realize the following... :)

The topic of our discussion was on what Budshurajanan wahanse clasified as "Loka Vishaya" - an 'unthinkable' (acinteyya).

If you are not aware of unthikables, please check
Sammasambuddha Gauthama had disclosed 4 topics thinking which will lead to nothing but difficulties (ref: Angutthara Nikaya->Catukkanipata->Apannakavaggo->Acinteyyasuttam (http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/4Anguttara-Nikaya/Anguttara2/4-catukkanipata/008-apannakavaggo-e.html)). They are: Buddha Vishaya, Dhyana Vishaya, Kamma (vipaka) Vishaya and Loka Vishaya.

Unfortunately it is entangling in these topics that prevents many of us from coming to Shraddha. :( You may have seen many Sri Lankans not trying to check Damma because they have presumptions that Damma is against various Dhittis they cling on to.

Just another obervations: Although most of us (Sri Lankans) do not have Shraddha in Dhamma; we have 'blind faith' that Buddhist concepts are true (perhaps because we like to justify what we believe in..). Moreover we try to use Science to justify them. What do you think?

There is a worthy-to-listen talk by Prof. Nalin Silva's talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH0c-_JzQoE) on "res vihidima" from Buddha Statue. Perhaps you may disagree with his explanation (if so, I too am on your side :)). But what I wanted to highlight is: how unfortunate we are using Science (which changes/evolve with every research outcome) to explain an Akalika (not affected by passin of time) Damma!

There is another thing I wanted to raise. Please correct me if you find me wrong. But I am positive that what I am going to say is in harmoney with Damma.

I have a concern in seeing the newspaper article refering to Maithree Bodhisathva; and revering a staute of the Bodhisathva. It's true that a Bodhisathwa is a glorious being who undergoes all sufering with pure compassion towards others.

But is not Boddhisathva a Pruthajjana - a person not seing/following/followed Damma to end suffering? We should not follow or have Shraddha on a Bodhisathva, as it won't help us realize Damma.

As you know Bodhisathva wandanawa is not part of Theravada practice; and followers of Sammasambuddha Gautama.

Unfortunately these Mahayana concepts are pushed on our Bikkhus by some Dayakas. Hope you had been to Keleniya Temple recently! :(

I hope Pinwath Siridhamma Swaminwahanse would not give in to influences like that. :shocked:

Shall we look back and see how our discussion evolved? Think how we try to justify things by citing varous finding; experimental results; references to Damma; etc. It's now at standstill, without a conclusion. Did you wonder why?

Dhamma discussions are somewhat different. Participangs discuss what disclosed by Sammasambuddha Gauthama. Anmazingly they always end up enhancing/ reenforcing our understanding. Wasn't this a Damma discussion?
It may be good if we can think that the lights are devine and be happy :)
As we saw from the posts not all of us can/should accept the lights. We should not think about lights if it hinders our coming to Shraddha.

As you know we may not see Devathawan unless we have Dibba Chakku (i.e. "divas"; divine eye) or the Devaths want us to see them (we know well that we cannot understand the mindset of Devathavan).

As you may have realized; we can never come to a conclusion on this topic by disucssing or arguing. I think our discusion is futile; unless we realize the following... :)

The topic of our discussion was on what Budshurajanan wahanse clasified as "Loka Vishaya" - an 'unthinkable' (acinteyya).

If you are not aware of unthikables, please check
Sammasambuddha Gauthama had disclosed 4 topics thinking which will lead to nothing but difficulties (ref: Angutthara Nikaya->Catukkanipata->Apannakavaggo->Acinteyyasuttam (http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/4Anguttara-Nikaya/Anguttara2/4-catukkanipata/008-apannakavaggo-e.html)). They are: Buddha Vishaya, Dhyana Vishaya, Kamma (vipaka) Vishaya and Loka Vishaya.

Unfortunately it is entangling in these topics that prevents many of us from coming to Shraddha. :( You may have seen many Sri Lankans not trying to check Damma because they have presumptions that Damma is against various Dhittis they cling on to.

Just another obervations: Although most of us (Sri Lankans) do not have Shraddha in Dhamma; we have 'blind faith' that Buddhist concepts are true (perhaps because we like to justify what we believe in..). Moreover we try to use Science to justify them. What do you think?

There is a worthy-to-listen talk by Prof. Nalin Silva's talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH0c-_JzQoE) on "res vihidima" from Buddha Statue. Perhaps you may disagree with his explanation (if so, I too am on your side :)). But what I wanted to highlight is: how unfortunate we are using Science (which changes/evolve with every research outcome) to explain an Akalika (not affected by passin of time) Damma!

There is another thing I wanted to raise. Please correct me if you find me wrong. But I am positive that what I am going to say is in harmoney with Damma.

I have a concern in seeing the newspaper article refering to Maithree Bodhisathva; and revering a staute of the Bodhisathva. It's true that a Bodhisathwa is a glorious being who undergoes all sufering with pure compassion towards others.

But is not Boddhisathva a Pruthajjana - a person not seing/following/followed Damma to end suffering? We should not follow or have Shraddha on a Bodhisathva, as it won't help us realize Damma.

As you know Bodhisathva wandanawa is not part of Theravada practice; and followers of Sammasambuddha Gautama.

Unfortunately these Mahayana concepts are pushed on our Bikkhus by some Dayakas. Hope you had been to Keleniya Temple recently! :(

I hope Pinwath Siridhamma Swaminwahanse would not give in to influences like that. :shocked:

What do you think?

Theruwan saranai

Wow...........realy good reply machan. Totally agreed.

ishanroz

06-21-2008, 09:34 AM

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, mara pupdumi ne

kalyanamithra

06-21-2008, 10:23 AM

Dear friends,

Please excuse this post of mine in which something off the topic is suggested.
It's good to see that most of you are keen on Dhamma. But I am not sure if this is already being done in this forum.

How about using this forum to conduct true Dhamma discussions in plain terms?

I am a beginer in Dhamma; and such an attempt would help me develop Dhamma in my life. Probably it will help you too.

That way we can help one another by getting to know Dhamma in pure form...

A Christian Perspective By Max Greiner, Jr.
5/10/07
Are not all the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Hebrews 1: 4

For He will command His angels concerning you, to guard you in all your ways.
Psalms 91: 11

The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.

Psalms 34:7

For the eyes of the Lord move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His.
2 Chronicles 16: 9

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, watching the evil and the good.
Proverbs 15: 3

Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders, and the sin that entangles, and let us run with perserverance, the race marked out for us.

Hebrews 12: 1

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels besides them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the Spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Ezekiel 1: 15 – 21

http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/FlorOrbsTable.jpg ARE THEY REAL?

Strange “Orbs” of various sizes have recently been appearing in the flash photographs of thousands of people across the world. Research of the internet seems to indicate these floating bubbles of light first started appearing with frequency in 1996 and 1997. Ironically, this is the same time another amazing supernatural phenomenon first began occurring with frequency on the earth. That phenomenon consists of tiny golden dust particles forming out of “thin air”, when Jesus Christ is praised or lifted up. (Click here (http://www.maxgreinerart.com/ShekinaGloryDustMiracle.html) to learn more about this amazing “Shekinah Glory” Dust Miracle.)

Invisible to the “naked eye”, the transparent Orbs were first captured by film cameras. However, recently digital still cameras and video cameras have been recording the strange spheres of light, and other unexplainable light phenomenon. It appears that the new, small digital cameras are the best tools for photographing images of Orbs, because the flash is closer to the lens. This is because the light reflects back into the lens more directly. Even though flash cameras are capturing Orbs, they are not the cause of them. This is obvious because of the millions of flash photos are completely normal.

Many professional photographers and photo lab technicians are candidly admitting in private that they are unable to satisfactorily explain all the circular balls of light, which suddenly show up in photographs. This is because many of the Orbs showing up in photographs, from all kinds of cameras, don’t match the commonly recognized image patterns of dust, pollen, moisture or light flares.

Orb images are suddenly appearing, often in great quantity, when they were not in the previous photographs seconds before, even though all the environmental and photographic conditions are exactly the same. To assume that common dust or moisture particles floating in the air in front of the camera lens are all able to suddenly turn and face the exact perfect angle, at the exact same moment, to create reflected Orb image is highly improbable and illogical.

In addition, multiple cameras are picking up the same Orb images at the same time, which strains credulity even more. Also, the unexplainable Orbs usually show up in photos that are taken showing distance. Rarely do the Orbs show up on close-up photos, where the background is close to the camera lens. If the unexplained Orbs were common dust or moisture being photographed right in front of the camera lens, it should make little difference how far away the background is. They should be showing up in all photos, not just those that show great distance.

However, the best explanation that is being forwarded by those who refuse to consider a possible supernatural explanation is that all the unexplainable Orbs are simply dust or moisture right in front of the camera. They refuse to consider any other explanation.

Orbs usually appear very faint, transparent, and almost invisible. However, they can also be very obvious in photographs, to the point where they become a solid white, bright light. Many times the faint “halos” of light appear in the same photograph, along with the smaller, denser, solid white Orbs. In some cases, a strange internal structure showing inner rings, with scattered dots or “eyes” can be observed in the transparent Orbs.

Usually, it is impossible to determine the exact size of Orbs in photographs, since their distance from the camera lens normally cannot be accurately determined. However, they appear to range in size from several millimeters, to three meters in diameter. Photographs taken in sequence can be completely normal with no Orbs, and then the scene is suddenly filled with one to hundreds of these strange bubbles. Orbs of light are being photographed indoors and out-of-doors, in total darkness and in daylight, at locations all over the world, with all kinds of cameras. In most cases, the Orbs are totally invisible to the “naked eye”, and are only revealed when a camera flash or strobe light is used.

THEY ARE REAL!

Like the naturally explained Orbs, the unexplained Orbs are a real too - a genuine light phenomenon that is being observed and photographed around the world. As a result, the photographic, scientific and spiritual communities have taken note. For example, about 15,000 people a day are searching the word “Orbs” on the “Google” search engine!

The Orbs, in many cases cannot be explained photographically, or scientifically, even though some continue to claim the images are only light reflections of tiny invisible particles, right in front of the camera lens. The photography companies don’t want to take any blame for defective products, therefore their “standard” answer is to immediately deny fault and then state what normally causes light spots or flaws in photographs. Tiny particles do cause light reflection spots in rare cases, but this still does not explain the tens of thousands of photographs that don’t fit the pattern.

Orbs of light have been observed high in the atmosphere, from jet airplane windows, and even in space from the NASA Space Shuttle. Government video is available to the public and can be viewed on the Internet. To my knowledge, no satisfactory scientific explanation of the “unexplainable” Orbs has been widely accepted. This is because most people realize a scientific “world view” that does not consider the “supernatural” realm is inadequate.

NATURAL ORBS
Explainable, “natural” Orbs do occasionally appear in photographs, resulting from light reflections and flares. A flare occurs when a camera is pointed toward a bright light source. Photographers are well acquainted with this common optic effect, which can result in a six-sided Orb image or the color spectrum. Other naturally explained photographic Orb images are the result of dust, pollen, snow, ice crystals, rain or other moisture, which are illuminated at close range, by a camera flash. These particles can appear large and far away, but this is an optical illusion. These Orbs have no life or intelligence, and are actually light reflections of tiny particles, right in front of the camera lens.

However, all the professional photographers and laboratory technicians I have spoken with say “natural” Orbs are a very rare occurrence at best, and that the strange Orb images appearing now in photographs do not match the previously known images, familiar to the industry.

The problem facing “anti-supernatural” skeptics, scientists and photography experts is that photos are being taken where the simple, logical explanations don’t fit. For example, a photograph of a partially hidden Orb, one that is behind a person or object, should be impossible. This would negate the “tiny particle theory.” These photographs exist, I have shot some myself.

Finally, I have observed during Christian worship, prayer and ministry, that the Orbs appear to increase in number, size and brightness. Some Orbs even appear to hover over certain Christians, while other Orbs in the photos continue to move throughout the room. In addition, in many churches, the supernatural “Shekinah Glory” dust is also appearing at the same time, along with other strange manifestations of the Holy Spirit. None of these manifestations of the Holy Spirit are explainable by science.

In addition, the probability that the quantity of “natural” Orbs in a photograph would suddenly increase dramatically, when none or a few were present only seconds before, does not make logical sense. The quantities of “natural” Orbs in the air, whatever they are, should remain basically the same, if photographs are taken by the same camera, in quick succession. Also, the strange internal structure of some Orbs does not match the normal reflected images of dust or moisture.

In the frantic search to provide an explanation that is not “supernatural”, some people are presenting theories that the photographically unexplainable Orbs are similar to “Ball Lightning”, and can only be explained with Quantum Physics, electromagnetic fields, plasma energy, electrons and photons. Some have coined the word, “Unified Field Plasmoids” to identify the strange Orbs of light. However, real science has not proved any of these theories true.

Explanations fall short, as to how some Orbs are able to defy the known laws of physics and appear to have a life of their own. The physical movements of these Orbs are not linear, or random. The Orbs appear to have intentional, controlled movements, and this puzzles people who don’t acknowledge the supernatural realm. The unexplained Orbs appear to move, change direction, size, and brightness and follow people, at will. This is called a “coincidence” and “jumping to conclusions” by those unwilling to accept a “supernatural” explanation.

On November 4, 2006 Artist, Max Greiner, spoke at the dedication of one of his life-size "Fisher of Men" Bronze Sculptures, at East Texas Baptist University in Marshall, TX. Max's Cannon Rebel digital Camera captured this Orb over the top of the Artists head. http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/Donors.jpg

http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/donors2.jpg Max posed with the donors of his Sculpture at East Texas University on November 4, 2006. Notice the soft ball size, faint Orb touching Max's head. The next photo taken about 5 seconds later shows the Orb moved down slightly over Max's face.
http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/IMG_5170.JPG http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/IMG_5171.JPG http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/IMG_5172.JPG These three (above) photographs were all shot in sequence, only seconds apart, with the exact same camera settings. Between the second and third shot, Max prayed and asked God to put an Orb Angel in the photograph with his wife. At least two immediately appeared next to Sherry Greiner. Also notice that the photograph looks washed out. We think a third larger Orb was so close to Max, that the photo was taken right through it!!! The Orb became a filter over the camera lens. http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/conference6.jpg The Angel Orbs appear to hover over Christians totally focused on worshiping Jesus Christ. Max took this picture at the Lead Conference held in October of 2006 in Irving, TX. http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/GirlWFlag.jpg Maria Martinez passionately worships Jesus Christ. Max photographed her in the balcony of Impact Christian Fellowship in Kerrville, Texas. http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/davidcawthon.jpg Impact Church Fellowship Church worship leader, David Cawthon, writes anointed praise and worship songs about Jesus, which bring the congregation to the throne room of God. http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/AngelOrbPg1/AngelImpact121006/IMG_0073.JPG
A large Angelic Orb formed next to David Danielson, the Pastor of Impact Christian Fellowship, during the dedication of the new sanctuary on December 10, 2006.

Please excuse this post of mine in which something off the topic is suggested.
It's good to see that most of you are keen on Dhamma. But I am not sure if this is already being done in this forum.

How about using this forum to conduct true Dhamma discussions in plain terms?

I am a beginer in Dhamma; and such an attempt would help me develop Dhamma in my life. Probably it will help you too.

That way we can help one another by getting to know Dhamma in pure form...

I can start a thread if you are willing to participate.. Thanks

Theruwan saranai
I am taking my 'irrelevant' discussion to a different thread. Thanks.

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2280779

Theruwan saranai

Kalindugayan

06-22-2008, 08:35 AM

nice thread

hdgpure

06-23-2008, 09:47 AM

Dear friends,

Please excuse this post of mine in which something off the topic is suggested.
It's good to see that most of you are keen on Dhamma. But I am not sure if this is already being done in this forum.

How about using this forum to conduct true Dhamma discussions in plain terms?

I am a beginer in Dhamma; and such an attempt would help me develop Dhamma in my life. Probably it will help you too.

That way we can help one another by getting to know Dhamma in pure form...

I can start a thread if you are willing to participate.. Thanks

Theruwan saranai

great work kalyanamithra.............
you have already started it here..........
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2280779
most of EK members are keen on dhamma,& rapa ,shrawakaya doing great work here.....................hope u will extend what they doing .............
I also biginer of dhamma & It's pleasure to have a kalyanamithra like u..........:) :)
Teruwansaranai

Umba hema honda dekama narakak dakina porak neda? I saw ur comment on Sirasa Gon Depeya....mewa gena widyawa danne ne thama, the techniques modern science uses to study these phenomena are not advanced enough...just because scientists cannot prove something, u cannot say it doesnt exist or not happening, if science were the evrthing, Buddhas would not appear on earth, scientists would liberate people from all the Dukkhas...:nerd:

Asitha-K

06-23-2008, 09:18 PM

Umba hema honda dekama narakak dakina porak neda? I saw ur comment on Sirasa Gon Depeya....mewa gena widyawa danne ne thama, the techniques modern science uses to study these phenomena are not advanced enough...just because scientists cannot prove something, u cannot say it doesnt exist or not happening, if science were the evrthing, Buddhas would not appear on earth, scientists would liberate people from all the Dukkhas...:nerd:

But i believe that there are things that we can't sense. I believe there are gods. and there are also butha athma. But I dnt think that they can be captured by cameras.

Kira007

07-01-2008, 03:47 PM

Umba hema honda dekama narakak dakina porak neda? I saw ur comment on Sirasa Gon Depeya....mewa gena widyawa danne ne thama, the techniques modern science uses to study these phenomena are not advanced enough...just because scientists cannot prove something, u cannot say it doesnt exist or not happening, if science were the evrthing, Buddhas would not appear on earth, scientists would liberate people from all the Dukkhas...:nerd: