Ha! Perhaps its industrial espionage....Milous, the secret agent. He's been exposed! Now that is truly "inside" information. LOL!

Seriously, however be does what he does, its appreciated.

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Yes I saw that, I usually don't have much to say, but have been reading the threads religiously (you and sno especially). Not sure how I got the date I have, could be my dealer is close to Toledo?
In any case, if I happen to get mine first, I will be happy to answer any questions you guys have regarding the new diesel. By the way, I was between max steel like yours, or black, and made a last minute change to white. I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Now the only thing I need to decide on is husky or weather tech,

I must not have been clear. The fifth rim and tire I talked about purchasing will be my new spare. The Original spare will then sit in storage with the other 4 wheels until I sell the car. So I don't care what the spare looks like; I won't be using it. However if a full sized tire and rim doesn't fit it the space, I will be stuck with the original spare and not rotating.

As you probably know, putting one of the road wheels in the spare wheel well leaves the cargo bay cover sitting high. I've switched to LT tyres because of our harsh outback roads (Bridgestone D697 265/60R18 LT). Surprisingly, the LT's fit much better. The cargo bay cover sits only about 1cm high. I can live with that. The reason is that passenger tyres bulge more whereas LT's of the same size are more square. This has the added benefit of making the side walls less vulnerable. This now allows me to do a 5 wheel rotation on the car. I have also put the exact same tyres and rims on the trailer so now I travel with 6 road wheels and 2 identical spares. This elliminates the need to carry 2 spares just for the car which is usual in some off-road areas.

Depending on the tire you choose a 265 width will fit in the spare wheel well, I have BFG AT's 265/65/18 on the standard steel spare rim (I removed the organisational cubbys) and it fits and the cover closes flush same as the 245 original spare, it just depends how much the side walls bow out on the tire you choose as to weather the cover will close

Exactly! It's the difference between passenger tyres with their ballooning side-walls and the squarer LT tyres.

Be careful...you will be chastised and shown the error of your ways for wanting 20's on an ORA GC. Even though the JGC is a grocery getter with decent offroad abilities, some feel that 20's will totally defeat the purpose.

As for me, I don't have any plans to rockclimb and the tires on the 18's are pretty sad anyways. 20 inch Nitto Terra Grapplers that are slightly over width for the rim would offer enough sidewall/rim protection and more grip than the crappy stock tires.

I too would order 20's if available on ORA 1 or 2...but its not possible.

bd

Whomever chastises anyone for wanting 20"s along with ORAII must not realize the top of the line Summit has, what essentially makes up ORAII, as standard equipment along with 20"s.

Whomever chastises anyone for wanting 20"s along with ORAII must not realize the top of the line Summit has, what essentially makes up ORAII, as standard equipment along with 20"s.

Not really. The people who want ORAII but want to keep the 20" wheels want the skid plates (QDII is available as a separate option on the Overland), which the Summit does not have. The Summit also does not have tow hooks or a removable lower front fascia.

Whomever chastises anyone for wanting 20"s along with ORAII must not realize the top of the line Summit has, what essentially makes up ORAII, as standard equipment along with 20"s.

Sorta...if you're referring to the drive train and suspension. But the Summit is not marketed as an off-road ride; rather it's pointed at the 4WD luxury space. You can't order it with the skid plates or tow hooks. The former can easily be added after-market, but the latter requires physical modification of the front fascia to add them after the fact. These are "little things", but certainly important for anyone who truly wants to do the off-road thing.

Good News!
The 2014 Diesel Owners Manual Supplement is posted as a pdf on Jeep's " Owners " site. It is just listed as "Supplement". This is almost as exciting as finding a new Playboy magazine when I was a teenager.