tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post4547785747391660014..comments2018-11-16T05:04:31.854-08:00Comments on CHRISTOPHER TIN'S BLOG: The Origin Of 'Kia Hora Te Marino'... Discovered!Christopher Tinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09636787672201100481noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-84175138466774186442018-03-02T01:55:03.608-08:002018-03-02T01:55:03.608-08:00Ko Armand Crown, no Ngati Rereahu.
The Tawhiao t...Ko Armand Crown, no Ngati Rereahu. <br /><br />The Tawhiao thing came later for which the words were changed to suit a new purpose. Initially, our tupuna Rangawhenua wrote the whakatauki for his own people Ngati Paahere. I noticed in an earlier comment a whanaunga (relative) did attempt to set you straight about the whakatauki, but to no avail. The original included this final phrase &quot;Kia tere te karohirohi i runga kia tatou katoa&quot;. The closest contemporary meaning for &quot;karohirohi&quot; is a &quot;kind of vision&quot;after which the wharenui/meeting house at Te Koura is named. The reasons behind this phrase, indeed the entire whakatauki relate to personal circumstances involving the tribe at the time. As Te Reo Maori operates metonymically kupu or words &quot;stand for&quot; rather than translate literally into english equivalents. In this whakatauki Rangiwhenua ascribes several layers of meanng whereby the words and phrases are more than the sum of their parts, as in pars pro toto or He whakapoupou ana nga tini korero i roto i te kupu kotahi in te reo Maori. These intricately interwoven meanings educate and arouse strong emotions in many of us, his descendants as we realise the depth of his wisdom. Sadly, not unlike many ancient intellectuals he&#39;s overlooked today by Maori and Non Maori alike. Making it even more disappointing no matter how unwittingly, to see one of the few treasures he left us misappropriated with its meaning distorted to suit a foreign purpose. Why didn&#39;t you just write your own words?<br /><br />Be-bopa-lulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03260765748977201001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-66105864436266185512017-08-13T00:56:11.629-07:002017-08-13T00:56:11.629-07:00Kia ora, I remember a kōrero also from Uncle Tui ...Kia ora, I remember a kōrero also from Uncle Tui Adams saying that in 1884 Tawhiao (2nd Māori King) had sought counsel of his koroua regarding a journey to England to seek audience with the British monarchy. One of this tīpuna he sought counsel of was Ōrangawhenua of Te Koura. The extended kōrero imparted to Tawhiao by the kōroua was, &quot;Haere e tama haere, Ko tō hoa haere ko te rangimarie&quot;, meaning &quot;Go my son and may your constant companion be peace and goodwill to those whom you encounter.&quot; Kingi Tawhiao did travel to Ingarangi but did not receive an audience with the Queen. But that&#39;s another kōrero...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-58915663247222725582017-07-25T03:51:27.874-07:002017-07-25T03:51:27.874-07:00Tautoko! Moko as in mokopuna.
Tautoko! Moko as in mokopuna.<br />Rewi Nankivellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02958507273742899877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-17363242922710959382017-07-20T05:04:26.361-07:002017-07-20T05:04:26.361-07:00Wonderful blog. Thank you for sharing this content...Wonderful blog. Thank you for sharing this content. You may also learn <a href="https://essayprofs.com/blog/research-paper-writing" rel="nofollow">how to write a research paper</a>.reginald suricthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865395258495641241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-44791766610345295942016-04-18T19:13:01.975-07:002016-04-18T19:13:01.975-07:00Yep, it comes from Ngāti Maniapoto/Ngāti Rereahu. ...Yep, it comes from Ngāti Maniapoto/Ngāti Rereahu. But although Rangawhenua might well have been the name of one of our tupuna, when people say this is &quot;nā ranga whenua&quot;, it literally means, drawn from the land... in other words its originates from the people who lived/live in the King Country/Maniapoto region of New Zealand&#39;s North Island. It&#39;s a lot older than someone who died recently, and is much more likely to have been the final farewell wishes before a sea journey much earlier than the 19th century. And yes, prophet&#39;s probably not quite the right word, tohunga isn&#39;t strictly a &quot;prophet&quot;, not everything in māori is so spacey - in very practical terms, tohunga are oftentimes just very respected, senior, knowledgeable, historian and advisor type people in the family, and they dedicate a lot of their lives to preserving a families genealogy and records, including oral histories etc of their region and their accompanying relations etc and so are called on to provide perspective to any issues, new or old. And 10 points for trying but, moko is of course grandchild in this context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-12536522152983707032015-08-17T13:44:19.344-07:002015-08-17T13:44:19.344-07:00It was a proverb spoken over one of our tupuna by ...It was a proverb spoken over one of our tupuna by his tupuna prior to him venturing overseas. in the 1800s. This is why the structure is as it is and the last two lines are appropriate to that time and kaupapa.NWTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-6188914882723800582015-06-11T03:36:28.971-07:002015-06-11T03:36:28.971-07:00&#39;Moko&#39; is also the word for mokopuna or gr...&#39;Moko&#39; is also the word for mokopuna or grandchild. The presence of &#39;tama&#39; meaning son or male child is in this category of meaning. The facial moko is emphatically not what is meant in this context. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-6124075773811463372012-12-05T09:06:18.210-08:002012-12-05T09:06:18.210-08:00If only you&#39;s knew the story behind the whakat...If only you&#39;s knew the story behind the whakatauki &quot;proverb&quot; then you would understand fully why the last lines are different. Karohirohi is our Whare tipuna of Te Koura Putaroa, Ngati Pahere. The story behind the whakatauki fits every word my Aunty gave, and to rephrase &quot;moko&quot; is also grandchild, just short for &quot;mokopuna&quot; ka pai? marama? -.-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-90957555149218250202011-12-29T22:21:36.200-08:002011-12-29T22:21:36.200-08:00tahts mi family, noelines mi aunty and this was sa...tahts mi family, noelines mi aunty and this was said to one of the maori kings and this was told tu mi by mi koro who was told by his koro hu was rangawhenuas grandsonhavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385149514603144172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-4270381607359374802011-12-12T22:29:27.786-08:002011-12-12T22:29:27.786-08:00Something is indeed wrong with last two lines of t...Something is indeed wrong with last two lines of the proverb.<br />I only studied Maori for a month or two, but I think a more literal translation of the Maori would probably run something like: <br />Let the calm spread out<br />Let the sea be laid flat like a green stone!<br />Let the continual weeping(?) be widespread<br />Before your path!<br />Go son! go!<br /><br />That said, the music is simply gorgeous.Sargonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00082020259005597417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-34881221208420315522011-08-27T16:34:18.544-07:002011-08-27T16:34:18.544-07:00Moko can also be translated as Mokopuna, grandchil...Moko can also be translated as Mokopuna, grandchild.hulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06863653264284711657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-4547389447469835242011-07-09T09:25:12.827-07:002011-07-09T09:25:12.827-07:00This song should be used somewhere in the upcoming...This song should be used somewhere in the upcoming 2011 rugby world cup in New Zealand; either in the opening or closing ceremony.Teonesoflehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14514125579968174282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-44883829745208867052011-05-02T19:30:09.753-07:002011-05-02T19:30:09.753-07:00The person who contacted you might well have been ...The person who contacted you might well have been a descendant of tohunga (not prophet) Rangawhenua Tawhaki except that the text given is very dodgy. As originally formulated by Rangawhenua it went like this: &quot;kia hora te marino, kia whakapapapounamu te moana, ka tere te karohirohi&quot;. That&#39;s a huge change from the text supplied by the descendant;<br /><br /> &quot;Kia hora te marino<br /> kia whakapapa pounamu te moana<br /> kia tere te karohirohi<br /> i mua i tou huarahi<br /> Haere e tama haere&quot;.<br /><br />The real problem is with the English translation. The last line means something like &quot;Rest in peace&quot; (you see it on Maori gravestones) - emphatically it does not mean &quot;Go in Peace and with my blessings Moko&quot;. <br /><br />&quot;Moko&quot; is a Maori tattoo especially as applied to face. It makes no sense in this context. However, a few years ago there was a very famous Dolphin, Moko, who entertained swimmers on the East coast of the North Island. He died in 2010 and I suspect the modified last line dates from that time only.Terry Colenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-77883620816783121142011-02-23T20:20:20.032-08:002011-02-23T20:20:20.032-08:00Christopher,
I love your album. I didn&#39;t think...Christopher,<br />I love your album. I didn&#39;t think I would like music like this until I heard Baba Yetu. After it raised the hair on the back of my neck I decided to buy your album from your website and have been enjoying it everyday. Thanks for the post about the origin of the lyrics. It just makes me appreciate it even more. I&#39;ll be buying a few more copies of your album as gifts for my family.Comscihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05033843170312237176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-87362967387893652072010-12-30T11:45:50.863-08:002010-12-30T11:45:50.863-08:00I love when that happens. The Internet helped iden...I love when that happens. The Internet helped identify a person in a photo that belongs to my wife, as well as flesh out more info behind the bigger story:<br />http://www.thescreamonline.com/images3-1/lennonbaez.htmlStuart Balcombhttp://www.stuartbalcomb.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8929558318730459273.post-12317150971161512702010-11-27T01:40:50.184-08:002010-11-27T01:40:50.184-08:00Christopher,
I must write this again, hope I get i...Christopher,<br />I must write this again, hope I get it the same as before!!! Everytime I listen to &quot;Calling All Dawns&#39; I wonder where you got the lyrics, what country and what inspired you to write this beautiful music. Now I know about the last song, I&#39;d like to know what every song on the CD says in English. Where are you from?<br />I think you should change your name to Christopher Mozart!!! You are a &quot;MASTER!&quot;Miss Gnoreply@blogger.com