Back up your stayment with some facts, like what's in it the helps this. For me i love beta alanine, I have more endurance on reps and makes me go through a workout that much better

lol excuse me???

Back up what? What do I need to back up bro? The fact that for me Craze is the best prewo out there now?
And why in hell I should "back it up with some facts"? but most important, HOW one is suppose to back up
with FACTS something that is highly subjective, like a fav prewo?
What's in it? I ain't no rep, you wanna see what's in it go to the site and read it yourself
Like "what's in it" is gonna tell you how a product works. There are plenty of great-on-paper formulas with tons of supposedly great
ingredients that don't do jack
Wanna back up with facts that beta alanine makes you do more reps? lol i'm very curious.. maybe a video
with and without beta ala?
But mostly, what do you want from me? lol

Back up what? What do I need to back up bro? The fact that for me Craze is the best prewo out there now?
And why in hell I should "back it up with some facts"? but most important, HOW one is suppose to back up
with FACTS something that is highly subjective, like a fav prewo?
What's in it? I ain't no rep, you wanna see what's in it go to the site and read it yourself
Like "what's in it" is gonna tell you how a product works. There are plenty of great-on-paper formulas with tons of supposedly great
ingredients that don't do jack
Wanna back up with facts that beta alanine makes you do more reps? lol i'm very curious.. maybe a video
with and without beta ala?
But mostly, what do you want from me? lol

lol I mean like have you tried n2kts and what do makes craze take the gold for you. Pumps,stim affect, etc. The strongest stim for me was razor 8 and now because of you guys I can't decide if I want n2kts or craze!?

lol I mean like have you tried n2kts and what do makes craze take the gold for you. Pumps,stim affect, etc. The strongest stim for me was razor 8 and now because of you guys I can't decide if I want n2kts or craze!?

This ^^ seems to work well. Although i have never. and i mean it when i say it. NEVER built a tolerance to craze. It will hit you super hard the first time, then it might back down a bit, but from then on, i feel the same. And ive taken it everyday with only 1 scoop. Of course more sleep and better diet will help make it more effective as well.

I have always had great workouts with Mesomorph but that was with the first version and the second version which I still have 1/2 container in my freezer and I only use it like once every 6 weeks or so because I rotate all my stim products every workout. When I do finally finish it I don't think I will be purchasing the new version with the creatine nitrate because of lot reviews from people who have used the old versions with excellent results and the newer version they said feels nothing like the first two versions. A preworkout powder that I picked up 2 months ago that I love is JP8X Extreme aka (Peligro) by Diesel Nutrition this stuff is fantastic the workouts I have had on this were great. All I need is 1 1/4 -1 1/2 scoops and 45 min later I am in the zone and it only has 150mg of caffeine per scoop. One thing about JP8X if you can't tolerate drinking something that taste like pure vitamins this product is not for you but if you can this powder it is one of the best. I have had 5 workouts with it in the past two months and I never use the same preworkout supplement that many times in two months but I couldn't believe the great focus I was getting during my workouts. I have about 12 different products that I rotate each workout and the next preworkout I plan on picking up is Craze I love the fact that it doesn't have much caffeine but from the reviews that I have been reading most people are saying the energy and focus are incredible. I am hoping on receiving a sample for and if I do and I like it I will definatly purchase it on my next order.

I have always had great workouts with Mesomorph but that was with the first version and the second version which I still have 1/2 container in my freezer and I only use it like once every 6 weeks or so because I rotate all my stim products every workout. When I do finally finish it I don't think I will be purchasing the new version with the creatine nitrate because of lot reviews from people who have used the old versions with excellent results and the newer version they said feels nothing like the first two versions. A preworkout powder that I picked up 2 months ago that I love is JP8X Extreme aka (Peligro) by Diesel Nutrition this stuff is fantastic the workouts I have had on this were great. All I need is 1 1/4 -1 1/2 scoops and 45 min later I am in the zone and it only has 150mg of caffeine per scoop. One thing about JP8X if you can't tolerate drinking something that taste like pure vitamins this product is not for you but if you can this powder it is one of the best. I have had 5 workouts with it in the past two months and I never use the same preworkout supplement that many times in two months but I couldn't believe the great focus I was getting during my workouts. I have about 12 different products that I rotate each workout and the next preworkout I plan on picking up is Craze I love the fact that it doesn't have much caffeine but from the reviews that I have been reading most people are saying the energy and focus are incredible. I am hoping on receiving a sample for and if I do and I like it I will definatly purchase it on my next order.

Love JP8. Miss the old lemonade flavor. Hard as shît, but I could take it. I've loved of of Chucks products and have quite a stash of them. You buy them when u can cause they are always out of production for so long.

Suppose to be the same? Taken as a stack? Not familiar with it, but looks interesting.

No, not at all. 4350 provides some intense focus, some of the best around, and few people crash on it. Launch pills feel a bit stronger on the physical energy side, and the citrulline/nitrates/beta alanine provide more performance and pumps. Nothing beats 4350 for locked-the-****-in focus, though, and it's so damn tasty! Watermelon FTW!

No, not at all. 4350 provides some intense focus, some of the best around, and few people crash on it. Launch pills feel a bit stronger on the physical energy side, and the citrulline/nitrates/beta alanine provide more performance and pumps. Nothing beats 4350 for locked-the-****-in focus, though, and it's so damn tasty! Watermelon FTW!

thats what i love the most about a preworkout is the focus...i gotta find me some of this stuff to try!

One thing I have to watch but it's hard. As these products keep getting stronger to accodate the growing need for stronger products my tollerance keeps going up. It has to stop somewhere... oh well we have revamp

Maximize Intense blew my hair off. I have to go see a doctor to start hair growth therapy. It's nuts

REALLY looking forward to this one & seeing how it compares to Mv2/Hemavol...

Originally Posted by poison

No, not at all. 4350 provides some intense focus, some of the best around, and few people crash on it. Launch pills feel a bit stronger on the physical energy side, and the citrulline/nitrates/beta alanine provide more performance and pumps. Nothing beats 4350 for locked-the-****-in focus, though, and it's so damn tasty! Watermelon FTW!

To answer the thread, of all of them I tried, here are the stongest in no particular order:
Muscle Marinade - I literally felt hungover from it
Jack3d (old theophyilline formula) - 3 scoops was insane and the crash was equally epic
Craze - A different kind of potent that still lets you sleep at night
Maximize V2 - 1 scoop and you are flying, 1.5 and I was unstoppable (not in a good way either)
Scivation Vasocharge - 2 scoops was potent for me (one of hte first I had though) It would keep me up if I went over 1 scoop, amazing pumps from this stuff too.

I never tried Ready 4 War like I wanted to but Get Diesel is on my never buy again list so I will just have to wonder.

If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).