Ziggler has zero charisma! Ziggler is full of charisma!, charisma this charisma that!, next HBK blah blah blah, and someone bring the definition of charisma from some web dictionary and start explaining how it fit or unfit Ziggler's persona... lately Ziggler convos are so full of win xD

Thing about this forum is that if 'your' guy is failing and has become boring then it is creatives fault but when it is someone you don't like then it is the wrestlers fault. There is a lack of consistency on this forum.

Numbers for what? The number of people that raised their hands when you asked them if they think Dolph Ziggler toterly sucx1!!!?

You asked when he stole a show, people replied with times that he stole a show. But those "show steals" didn't count because Meltzer didn't like them? What?... Are you not open to the idea that maybe you don't like Ziggler as much as everyone else does, and that's the reason you're trying to belittle his accomplishments? Because like I said, having a different opinion to everyone is no crime. I just don't see why you have to make everyone think your opinion is the "right" one.

Ay, I asked since he got the gimmick.

I'm still waiting BTW. The closest thing he has come to stealing the show was SS 2012, and that's not because he put on a MOTY candidate... the entire PPV sucked balls. Ziggler has also never even come close to being involved in a MOTY kind of match. I actually was pretty gobsmacked myself when I did some due diligence and found out Ziggler has only been involved in 1 **** match. I guess I was victim to his marks hyping up his work. I mean, Jericho didn't even get **** out of Ziggler at SummerSlam.

As I said, he's good in the ring... but he's not that good.

The best attribute Ziggler has is his look. His work rate is above average and his promo is below par.

Meltzer gives Kurt angle much better match ratings than Ziggler, but from what I've seen of the two, Ziggler at this point is a much better than Angle.

Ziggler needs to start throwing 150 german suplexs every match, put an ankle lock on then irish whip his opponent the next move, and really in general just wrestle like the Flash on coke to get a high star rating from the movez mark Meltzer.