Well, that's what makes it hard, isn't it? To do both in the same program... clearly Plushy was the true pioneer when it came to quads and footwork, and his place in history must be acknowledged!

Oh ok, yes I remembered the comments when 4 level was achieved back then, I think there wasnt a skater to get level 4 is step sequence before with quad or no quad, but I think Daisuke was the very first in NhK 2005, and then Plu in Olympics.

I think what I want is for Chan and his team to stop trying to crush, rather than just defeat, the competition. One quad or 4-3 is fine in this field, he doesn't need two. If he thins out his programs just a little we'll see him with fewer falls and his winning programs (and scores) will be universally applauded.

I don't think Chan has the habit of changing his programs around at the last minute or last seconds like Johnny Weir. Besides, he is aiming for the bigger prize and closer competitions like worlds. He's got to get his tech heavy programs more mileage. If he could win with a flawed skating in a weaker field, then let it be flawed. He'll get it better and better later in the season like we've seen last year. I think he should go for it.

And I really don't expect his skating to be universally applauded. As long as the skaters who are more artistic than Chan don't win over Chan, people will complain.

I think this is one of Chan's lowest scores in the last couple of years, right? I think his was always in the around 270+? So yeah, his mistakes did cost him around 20-30 points. But of course, that's not enough to some people. He won this time because of weaker field. But some people seem to focus on how many mistakes Chan made, and he still won, instead of looking at the whole facts.

I hope Chanflation will "chanflate" his way to another World record, LOL