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Here we go again. I have decided that a potential way of locating where AR13 sent from LAX is to compare the international flight routes from LAX from 1pm to minight for both American Airlines and United Airlines. This is based on reports that teams were in both of those those terminals, although that certainly does not guarantee that my method of analysis will lead anywhere useful. Let's see.

So, I start with the American Airlines international(excluding Canada) schedules for nonstop and direct flights from LAX. There are a myriad of connecting flights to everywhere, so in order to put some boundary on this analysis I have limited it as stated. That does prove to be somewhat limiting, since American flies lots of routes to Europe and to Latin America from O'Hare, DFW and Miami, but very few from LAX. Here is where it does go:

OK, now it's time to overlay the United Airlines schedule for only those cities for 1pm to midnight departures onto the above. Here is what gets eliminated:

GuadalajaraLimaSantiagoShanghai

Hong Kong is also eliminated for having flight arrivals 11 hours apart, which is too far for fairness to the teams.

Here are the AA and UA schedules in thet designated time frame for the remaining cities(Note that most AA flight are 4 digit code-shares that are not operated by AA. Also note that I have allowed some UA connections to match up with AA nonstop/direct destinations rather than just eliminating them.):

Auckland - AA7337 2045 0505+2, UA9549 2145 0530+2, UA9545 2230 0615+2

Beijing - AA5790 1330 2320+1, UA4456 0140 0520+1 (Note: this departure is 12 hours later, arrival is only 6 hours later and little is open in the interim, so this could work even though departure is after the allowed window)

So, where does that leave us. My hunch is that teams landed in Melbourne, but it could also be Sydney or Auckland, all of which were early in the morning of April 24. It is now the morning of April 25 in New Zealand and Australia, so it could be difficult to catch up with them.

see'ing how they wont have them sit around an airport till night time on the day of the race, my guess apskip is either they flew to south america via other airports or they went to japan. the united flight from lax on tuesday left around the same time as the jal flight to tokyo. the hong kong flight from lax to hkg on united was cancelled on tuesday.

using flightaware's tuesday lax departures its easy to put 2 and 2 together on how to figure out where they went. but since we have info of no american airlines ticket buying its more likely that they prob went to tokyo than say argentina through other cities

using flightaware's tuesday lax departures its easy to put 2 and 2 together on how to figure out where they went. but since we have info of no american airlines ticket buying its more likely that they prob went to tokyo than say argentina through other cities

Let's not get too enamored with a East to West itinerary. Remember TAR12 went from LAX to Ireland.

And when starting in Chicago teams went to Europe via Minneapolis, Boston and Baltimore

using flightaware's tuesday lax departures its easy to put 2 and 2 together on how to figure out where they went. but since we have info of no american airlines ticket buying its more likely that they prob went to tokyo than say argentina through other cities

Let's not get too enamored with a East to West itinerary. Remember TAR12 went from LAX to Ireland.

And when starting in Chicago teams went to Europe via Minneapolis, Boston and Baltimore

And will TPTB bypass South America two races in a row???

i checked into that to g-man only place that would be afficiant for them to go from lax is to EZE in argentina via chicago,dullas, or miami.

using flightaware's tuesday lax departures its easy to put 2 and 2 together on how to figure out where they went. but since we have info of no american airlines ticket buying its more likely that they prob went to tokyo than say argentina through other cities

Let's not get too enamored with a East to West itinerary. Remember TAR12 went from LAX to Ireland.

And when starting in Chicago -TAR 6 - teams went to Iceland via Minneapolis, Boston and Baltimore

And will TPTB bypass South America two races in a row???

Could be the teams took United flights or American flights connecting to somewhere in South America. (Via Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami0

using flightaware's tuesday lax departures its easy to put 2 and 2 together on how to figure out where they went. but since we have info of no american airlines ticket buying its more likely that they prob went to tokyo than say argentina through other cities

Let's not get too enamored with a East to West itinerary. Remember TAR12 went from LAX to Ireland.

And when starting in Chicago -TAR 6 - teams went to Iceland via Minneapolis, Boston and Baltimore

And will TPTB bypass South America two races in a row???

Could be the teams took United flights or American flights connecting to somewhere in South America. (Via Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami0

g-man the united fligth would have been to dullas not chicago, while the american flights where either chicago or miami if we are going that route if it is south america

Thanks to Peach's glorious discovery I decided to go down to LAX and check it out. Again. I had spent last Sunday afternoon there (4/20/08) and that was a bust.

But today's trip yields some new information. I found several staffers who had seen filming yesterday. One team was at the northmost main entry of Tom Bradley terminal having an interview. Not rushed.

One team was at the American Airlines terminal being interviewed off in a quiet corner.

One United Employee in the domestic terminal (#6) had heard of TAR filming (she actually said Amazing Race) that happened in the their international terminal (#7).

Two employees at the United International terminal had seen 3 teams arrive and purchase tickets at the far east end of the counters. I asked if they had seen colored flags around any where: "Any little flags stuck on the poles over there? Like red and..." And the guy said "Oh yes, Red and Gold" That's close enough for me! The gal said there was one team that was 'hippie' like with long white hair (she demonstrated with her hands at mid chest level). They were an older couple, as in, male and female. She estimated their ages to be 40's or 50's. She also mentioned the two girls and another team that was just a regular young couple in their 20's.

No employees at either AA (terminal 4) or Delta (terminal 5) had seen any ticket buying by filmed pairs going at their counters.

So teams are seen buying tickets at United's Interntional counter. So where does United fly to from LAX? Or are they connecting through some other US airport and then continuing overseas. This could mean anything: flight to the West (Asia or Australia or Oceania); flight to the South (Surinam, Guatemala, Argentine) or East (Europe). Only direction eliminated is North since it is not likely that they would be flying to Canada to start the race.

American flight 961 left Chicago at 8:52pm bound for Buenos Aires. It left out of Terminal 3, gate K11, which is primarily a domestic terminal, but does have international flights. The photo of the racer was taken at 7:08pm Chicago time by someone flying in from California, so that all seems to fit together. I also can't find any non-stop flights from LAX to Buenos Aires, so everyone would have to connect through another city.

If they flew United, it looks like those flights are routed through Dulles.

American flight 961 left Chicago at 8:52pm bound for Buenos Aires. It left out of Terminal 3, gate K11, which is primarily a domestic terminal, but does have international flights. The photo of the racer was taken at 7:08pm Chicago time by someone flying in from California, so that all seems to fit together. I also can't find any non-stop flights from LAX to Buenos Aires, so everyone would have to connect through another city.

If they flew United, it looks like those flights are routed through Dulles.

I want to welcome all of you this evening. It is a pleasure to have the opportunity to host this event celebrating American Airlines’ new direct flight from Chicago to Buenos Aires.

Particularly, I would like to welcome the members of our delegation from Chicago who have actually arrived via American Flight #961. Hopefully you had a smooth flight; if not there might be someone in this room you can talk to!

In July of last year, the United States and Argentina signed a Bilateral Agreement on Civil Aviation, which will allow the number of flights between our two countries to double.

I commend American Airlines for immediately seizing this opportunity as they are the first, in what I hope to be several, new flights between the U.S. and Argentina in the near future.

Perhaps most importantly, the increase in flights will facilitate greater travel between our two countries, which will help promote cultural exchange and foster business opportunities.

It is no coincidence that U.S. airline companies have had direct flights originating in Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Miami, New York City, Washington D.C, and Dallas as these cities offer Argentines excellent business and tourism destinations and offer easy connections to other U.S. cities.

Now, I am hopeful that our Argentine friends will have a greater opportunity to explore the wonderful city of Chicago.

The comparable AA flights already stated by others have a slightly more comfortable connection in O'Hare:

LAX ORD AA2074 1300 1905 ORD EZE AA961 2010 0915+1 (Note: if this left at 852pm it was 42 minutes late and this could make it arrive after the United flight into Buenos Aires)

It should be noted that there was another comparable AA flight conncection through Miami in the right time frame, so it is likely that a third group of AR13 teams could have gone that way and arrived first:

This would demonstrate the common Amazing Race trick of having teams compete hard to get on the first plane that leaves, which can turn out to be the last that arrives after a longer flight path or connection.

The best connection of all is a 1320 AA nonstop from LAX to Lima, Peru, connecting to an LAN flight but the arrival into EZE is quite a bit earlier at 0740 and I doubt that American reservations agents would have booked this with 3 AA alternatives plus one UA available.

So the American flight was supposed to arrive 5 minutes before United, but was 42 minutes late leaving.

The United flight left 33 minutes late (left at 10:18pm EDT). If the scheduled flight time was exactly right (unlikely) the United flight would have ended up arriving 4 minutes earlier. Really close! That could add some excitement to the race.

So we've talked about 2 flights. Aren't there usually 3 flights out of the starting gate?

So the American flight was supposed to arrive 5 minutes before United, but was 42 minutes late leaving.

The United flight left 33 minutes late (left at 10:18pm EDT). If the scheduled flight time was exactly right (unlikely) the United flight would have ended up arriving 4 minutes earlier. Really close! That could add some excitement to the race.

So we've talked about 2 flights. Aren't there usually 3 flights out of the starting gate?

So the American flight was supposed to arrive 5 minutes before United, but was 42 minutes late leaving.

The United flight left 33 minutes late (left at 10:18pm EDT). If the scheduled flight time was exactly right (unlikely) the United flight would have ended up arriving 4 minutes earlier. Really close! That could add some excitement to the race.

So we've talked about 2 flights. Aren't there usually 3 flights out of the starting gate?

graytex, you look phophetic. Take a look back at my note from earlier this morning, which I just finished altering to talk about AA flight possibilities connecting in Miami and DFW and Lima.

I have constructed a table of major South American cities from which nonstop flights to major European cities originate. It has Sao Paulo(the largest origination point), Buenos Aires, and Rio de Janeiro. The destinations are Madrid, Lisbon, London, Paris and Frankfurt. If a city pair does not have a nonstop flight, then it is listed as NONE below: