Now, I have to admit I did not retweet that so does that mean I think sexual assault is acceptable? Either that or I think that stat is BS.

Before I go any further, I want to let you know that I know challenging this makes me anti-woman. So I would like to throw out a heartfelt disclaimer.

The correct number of sexual assaults should be zero. No amount of sexual assault is acceptable. Sexual assault is a serious issue. More, can, and should be done to stop sexual assault. I am not saying women aren’t taken advantage of at college. I am not saying we shouldn’t provide the tools to help eradicate sexual abuse. Sexual assault bad. No sexual assault good. Sex good (sometimes). Unwanted sex bad (always). Again, the correct number of sexual assaults is zero. I never, ever, never, want there to be a sexual assault ever, ever again.

This ‘1 in 5’ stat is being repeated everywhere.

Where are they getting this number from?

The White House gets the “1 in 5” number from two studies. The Campus Sexual Assault Study conducted for the Justice Department found that “ Nineteen percent of the women reported experiencing completed or attempted sexual assault since entering college…”

First of all, this study is not representative of all colleges, but of only two. It was an online survey that the authors themselves admitted had low response rates.

And while the majority of those assaulted were drunk or high when the incident took place, 62% of these victims DID NOT consider the incident to be rape. What’s going on here is that the president is saying these women were raped, and these women are saying they weren’t. Who do you believe?

The study states that 18% of women in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives.

But, how do you figure out if someone’s been raped? One way would be to ask the person if they have been raped. But, why do that when you can ask misleading questions and try and figure it out for yourself!

The study asked questions like: “When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent, how many people ever had sex with you?”

It’s incoherent wording like that that makes this confusing.

Newsflash, but it is possible to have consensual sex while drunk or high. Watch any beer commercial. What you will see is a bunch of hot women and good looking dudes drinking beer with the strong insinuation they will soon be hooking up.

Yes, it’s true. You lose your inhibitions when you drink alcohol. It’s also why you drink alcohol. If you eliminate sex while drunk or high you eliminate half the sex in the country.
But this survey was designed in a way to massively inflate the number of victims.

Here is an example of how the study defines sexual assault: “being pressured in ways that included being worn down by someone who repeatedly asks for sex or showed they were unhappy; feeling pressured by being lied to, being told promises that were untrue, having someone threaten to end a relationship or spread rumors; and sexual pressure due to someone using their influence or authority.”

To see Jeffy act these scenarios act, watch the below. Viewer discretion is seriously advised.

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Are those things annoying? Yes. But is convincing someone to sleep with you because you’re sad the equivalent of sexual assault? That’s just absurd.

Now, you have an idea as to how these numbers can be misleading. But, is it even possible that the statistic the White House has been using is close to accurate? We’ll cover that in part 2.

Anonymous

Gee, thanks for clarifying that sexual assault is bad. I’m sure the assaulted people reading this will feel the “heartfelt” support of your disclaimer. But then you go on to try and discredit studies that show a high assault rate. Why? Whether the sample is exacting or not isn’t the point. The point is that assault occurs at an unacceptable rate and raising awareness is a step toward prevention. Can’t Beck’s minions find something more constructive to do than try to discredit the rate of sexual assault in this country?

http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

Well you OWS people need to be reminded that rape is bad because you guys sure like covering for rapist.

Anonymous

I’m not an OWSer, even though I think Wall Street got away with the crime of the century.

Shane

Idiot, the studies are bogus and it is the right thing to do to attack bogus studies. The liberal twits who make these studies must consider pinching a woman’s butt a sexual assault. Women who get drunk and have sex are not victims of sexual assault. Listen to the video above.

Anonymous

You think it’s ok and should be allowed for someone to harass/molest random girls(or who ever) grabbing breasts and thighs, running their hand to their crouch whenever people feel like it? No right to your own body. How about grabbing a random woman hand’s and forcing on his crotch? How about a man grabbing your crotch randomly from behind with out any permission. All threes of these have happen, I heard it right from the people involved.

How is that not a form of sexual assault?

Andrew Levin

The presentation made it seem ridiculous, so naturally, a subjective viewer would simply agree with the video content without looking into the study for themselves. Shane, you’re clearly not an idiot.

Cathy Clark

They’re justifiably taking on a bogus statistic that belittles rape by putting it in the same category as manipulation and pressure.

Anonymous

You think the government’s aim is to belittle rape? It seems the goal here is to raise awareness of sexual assault.

Cathy Clark

The Law of Unintended Consequences applies – this kind of campaign undermines the seriousness of sexual assault by redefining it down. Women have a hard enough time getting men to take rape seriously. Defining sexual assault as consensual sex a woman later regrets simply makes a charge of rape less believable, and therefore that much harder to prosecute with a skeptical jury.

Anonymous

If you’re lucky maybe you’ll get raped too!

bluebonnet114@yahoo.com

with your “handle” you are surely an idiot.
Remember when Clayton Williams (he ran for governor of TEXAS years ago) said a stupid thing ” rape is like the weather, lay back and enjoy it”… He was not elected and he was just making a flippant remark, just like Stu was saying to make a point………..stupid is as stupid does

Anonymous

Still hoping you get raped!

bluebonnet114@yahoo.com

again, all you libertards/sheeple,,,,,give it up and be useful people for a change

Todd A Scheller

So you prefer your theories based on lies, how dies that advance the country?

Anonymous

Be specific. What exactly to you think I’m lying about?

Todd A Scheller

Where did I claim YOU were lying? Is that specific enough for you?

But lets look at the information STU, not Beck provides here.

The first study the THE CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT (CSA) STUDY studied “two large, public universities on the CSA Study.” Why is this important to know? Well there are 629 PUBLIC 4 Year Institutions of higher learning in the US and 1845 PRIVATE 4 year Institutions of higher learning in the US, with another 1070 PUBLIC 2 year Institutions of higher learning, and 596 PRIVATE 2 year Institutions of higher learning. They studied TWO out of FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED FORTY COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITIES. and got 19% not 20% (which is 1 in 5). They then IGNORED the responses of 1375 respondents, because they were males. They got less that 50% response rate from the women at the participating universities.

Do you really need me to go on?

Anonymous

Yea, I get that. But as I said from the beginning, aren’t there better things to do than to try to discredit the amount of sexual assault in this country?

Todd A Scheller

Are there not better things to do than lie about the amount of sexual assault in the country?
Does STU, not Beck, not admit that it happens, and that even 1 in 100,000 is BAD?
Or did you miss that part?
How about basing your arguments on REALITY and not made up numbers?

Reliquary

RIGHT…. 4 people are dead…i doesn’t matter why or how they died. We could say that a meteor fell on them and everyone should believe us because 4 people are dead. it doesn’t matter that a meteor didn’t actually fall on them. they are still dead, and the fact that we covered our our complicity and lied about the whole affair has no barring on the truth what so ever… I bet you hear the word douche a lot don;t you…

Jesse Sherer

We could if the other side would stop trying to spread fear and discontent amongst people using stats that may or not be accurate (said proudly as a person who has spent my life putting rapists in prison for the acts they commit)

Anonymous

If you read the CSA study, you’ll find that physically forced rape is only a segment of what’s reported. The larger number reflects everything up to attempted assault through pressure, lies and touch. In these studies, rape is part of the whole study of assault, not the whole.

bluebonnet114@yahoo.com

why don’t you do something that mattes and leave Glenn Beck and his tireless workers alone?

Anonymous

Expressing reason matters.

Andrew Levin

It is reprehensible to support this sort of mockery of victims of sexual assault.

Tyler Casey

NO false inaccurate. THE POINT is that there are political groups with the agenda to {characterize} rape as increasing and proliferating using false and patronized presuppositions…….THE UNDERSTATEMENT in the 1/5 stat is that the USA college campus is FULL OF RAPIST…..that is not TRUE…..THE POINT IS THE TRUTH THE TRUTH THE TRUTH<——HELLO!? EXACTING THE SAMPLE IN A SCIENTIFIC STUDY IS THE FUNDAMENTAL COMPONENT OF A ++++STUDY'S INTEGRITY++++ OR…..VALIDITY !!! waahhhh soooo stupid! i cannot believe you actually type: " Why? Whether the sample is exacting or not isn't the point."

You are unfit to operate heavy machinery.

Anonymous

The 1/5 stat includes attempted assault. It does not represent physical rape. Read the study.

http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

Leave it to liberals to take something as evil as rape and try to make it for every case someone sleeps with someone else. They did the same thing with the word racist so why not rape as well.

Cheryl Orlowski

They have no sense of humor
either.

http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

Yes that is the saddest part about them.

Andrew Levin

You are conflating the issue and mocking victims when you blame “liberals” for making it not cool anymore to rape people or be racist and not civilization. Unreal.

http://truthofg.blogspot.com/ Connor Kenway

Where in the hell did I say it was cool to rape? Again prove to others liberals have a reading problem. And thank you for proving my second point that you idiots changed the meaning of the word racism from anyone that hates another race to anyone that disagrees with a liberal. Good job moron.

Shane

Great video, I knew that figure of 20% was bogus when I first heard it on Law & Order SVU. BTW, that show is very liberal and the conservative bad guys on the show are caricatures of conservatives.

Anonymous

Stu has no redeeming qualities. He’s just one of GB long time friends. Not smart, not funny….just there. Sad really.

bluebonnet114@yahoo.com

idiots,idiots, how do you get up and dress yourselves each day???? They were making fun of the way he question was poised!!!

How about, since you claim to care about rape victims, you use your energy to actually do something productive to help them instead of wasting everyone’s time by belittling someone else’s efforts? Rape needs to be address and at least the left is taking a proactive approach. You also may want to dig a little further into your sources because those two studies are not the only ones that support the 1 in 4 statistic.

RAPE: (18% of women reported being raped–per THIS definition– in their lives)
Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Rape is separated into three types, completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol or drug facilitated penetration.

SEXUAL COERCION: (13% of women reported being coerced to have sex. These are NOT included in the RAPED category)

Sexual coercion is defined as unwanted sexual penetration that occurs after a person is pressured in a nonphysical way. In NISVS, sexual coercion refers to unwanted vaginal, oral, or anal sex after being pressured in ways that included being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex or showed they were unhappy; feeling pressured by being lied to, being told promises that were untrue, having someone threaten to end a relationship or spread rumors; and sexual pressure due to someone using their influence or authority.

Tyler Casey

ya the 13% not included in the rape category—got it.—what Stu is saying is that the 1/5 stat gets there by lumping the 2 together—-watch the video again…

Joseph Arechavala

You know, when I was a kid, I was taught it was wrong to take advantage of a woman who’s drunk. I would think conservatives share that view. Guess not.

bluebonnet114@yahoo.com

of course we share this view! It was a skit for goodness sakes? There was a disclosure that said it was real and serious. Are you stupid or what. The president quoted the same numbers from a stupid question that was a TRICK wording.

Andrew Levin

The disclosure doesn’t protect you from criticism BB114. The condescension and mockery of victims of sexual assault in those abysmal portrayals is repulsive. Go die in a fire.

Tyler Casey

we don’t share that view. Since you are obviously drunk–I won’t take advantage of your intellectual stupor and wait for you to watch the video sober…

Anonymous

Now that I know that when I leave the house girls will look at me and think there’s a 1/5 chance I’ll be a rapist, I think I’m going to stay inside. I think they’re trying to demonize men and it makes me feel like a pariah. Please stop lying women, it’s not fair to men.

Paul Mack

I’m curious if you use Stolen Valor to get sex. Would that be considered rape? SCOTUS ruled the Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional.

Anonymous

Sorry but a boy or man repeatedly asking for sex IS NOT RAPE you morons. Using coercion tactics like “if you love me you will” IS NOT RAPE you morons. Rape is an act of FORCE. If a man and a woman have sex and the girl is drunk that IS NOT RAPE. When you get drunk and do something you regret in the morning IS NOT RAPE. Obama isn’t happy with just driving a wedge between blacks and whites, rich and poor, gay and straight. He is now trying to drive a wedge between men and women. Pretty soon if a man even looks at a woman he will be accused of sexual abuse. People get a grip in reality!!

Anonymous

It can be. If the person emotionally and verbally abuse into rape. The woman/ or man tricked into feeling they have no choice. That very different them being ‘talked’ into something. Many children or coerced into sex with out right force. That is rape not just because of the ‘age’ but they have no choice. Same with some rape victims. Rape is not always bloody and violent, it can also be quietly done.

Look up coercion, it means to ‘force’. I think you mean to use ‘seduction’/’persuasion’ instead of that term.

Tyler Casey

I think terminology is important here: rape is nearly synonymous with (and is derived from) “ravage”—that is to; destroy in a violent manner…..Our society–as most others–will always conceptualize words like [rape] as being analogous with [violence]. When you parse {motivations} behind the definition of a word, then you can confuse it’s meaning: ex. forced rape=rape but consensual rape=? You wouldn’t say “that final exam [raped] my brain”…..(some lesser intelligent beings might)…but you see how the word doesn’t fit the context…..I understand your point, however, that [someone] could be {manipulated} w/o physical contact into sexual intercourse, but there are “different” words for that—depending on age{statutory rape} {incest} {molestation}<—this usually has to be grouped with another word like "sexual" or "child" for the 'intended meaning' to come across… My point is: you can't call [uncomfortable sex]=[rape] or [sympathy sex=rape] or [sex with a liar=rape]…if a person has the opportunity to leave {at will} and chooses not to, then it becomes something else….not necessarily something 'better', but nevertheless, something other than {rape]

Anonymous

Yes not all ‘unpleasant’ sex or sex under a lie would/could ever be labeled sanely as rape. That’s why I only said ‘can be’ I know what you are saying about how rape is seen as ‘violent’ action but it’s very big misconception and an often supported by an ill-mind set that leads into very cruel behavior in the world to think there ‘has’ to be ‘dramatic violence’ for a threat of harm or force to count as rape. Too many people use that excuse. As there are those who see ‘unconscious rape’ as not really rape. You don’t have to ‘beat’ a woman to pin her down. Maybe more victims should fight back violently but there would be far more cases of deaths and horible rapes then, but more would be proven too…

I agree if a person has the ‘clear’ opportunity to leave, with no treat/danger it’s their responsibly to do so, and sometimes… think people more or less ‘let’ rape happen on the side their did it to
themselves. Not really fair to always put full blame to other partner. If one really says nothing and the supposed rapist is very drunk they are not aware they are forcing themselves on someone who says ‘nothing’ and puts
‘no resistance’ I would say sure… it was rape but no should be prosecutable for as it accident and both parties helped make it happen. Then there are those… that do know it’s rape and play it off. You can usually tell when they use excuses such as ‘She/he knew what was going to happen when they invited me in ect. and just wouldn’t ‘accept’ no. I have had people use their ‘body’ not hands to prevent me from leaving and I would have to initiate violence to get away, and thus they would retaliate but I’ve so far gotten ‘lucky’ they decided to give up. There was ‘real’ threat to my person.

Children are vulnerable to being rape/molested by coercion/threats so are many adults. One can intimidate and take away choice to force ‘mocked’ consent with out ever raising a hand. How many salves had to ‘let’ their master have sex with them when any ‘resistance’ would receive great harm? Now if you can picture that, think of a woman who is threaten to have sex one way or the other(mental abuse/physical threats/intimidation ect) and yes she ‘has’ the opportunity to leave but at what cost?

Patrick Blunt

so what is sexual harassment then?

Patrick Blunt

what is a man to do?
i had a situation while working when i was accused to sexual harassment two young ladies in their 20s saying i slapped them on the butt as we were out walking with our clients for recreation exersise and no one believed me that i didnt do it cause these two women agreed or said i did it two them, i did not but i was so himilleated when i was called in and felt ashamed that i broke into tears because it was mean spirited they thought i was guilty of this hanus crime. no would believe me.

Anonymous

Yeah… some people are evil and lie or are just dumb and can’t tell/admit they are wrong. Sorry that happened to you.

Patrick Blunt

because i had a head injury earler in my life and dont think on my feet as quick as many do icould not think of how to come back with questions to defend my self and these ladies were co workers

Patrick Blunt

anyway thanks for letting vent my hackles go up when someone says they got raped or sexually harassed what is the truth and how do u refine the truth.

Anonymous

All one can do is review the case in a court of law, unbiasedly treat both parities innocent until proven guilty and hope the truth comes out. Go by the evidence and what can be proven.

Some times rapsist will go free,and innocent people will be harassed, it’s sad that the world isn’t perfect but we got to be fair and try our best.

Anonymous

In the skit these examples very well could be ‘rape’, it’s in the context. Just not assault. Of course plenty of it wouldn’t be as well. Intimidating/emotionally manipulating a woman (or man) can be force and abuse. We all know there are plenty of children who are ‘coerced’ into sex with out ‘direct’ assault. So can be done to women (or men). This skit I know is intended to mock how wide and broad the forced statistics can be but also unfortunately walks right into problems as well. Both calling said scenarios all rape is too broad and yes bad, but also discounting all together also too broad. More tact for the skit would have been better.

There can be consensual drunk and ‘high’ sex just as there can be rape. Just as there can be ‘drunk sex’ where both parties have ‘no’ idea what happened too. Such one is able to more or less think cleanly enough and they know the ‘other’ has no choice– almost unconscious and can’t think at all let a lone walk ect. Not all unwanted sex is auto rape, sometimes a person is responsible to just say no and stick to it no mater how mush the ‘other’ wants it. Truth is ones girlfriend/boyfriend threatens to leave if not for sex, end it. Rape or not. Some ‘rape’/bad sex is accidental by just not speaking up. Young adults/teens ect can be very dumb more then ‘violent evil rapists.’

What kind of world do we live in that young men (and woman) want to trick and abuse people to have sex, rape or not. :/

Tyler Casey

What kind of world? The same one that was here yesterday…..Nothing new under the sun….I agree about the skit, could have been a bit more…classy…(I like tact too =]) But Stu’s point overall is an eyeopener into how stats are recorded and then used (even politicized) for w/e reason…..

Anonymous

Um… so what if it’s the one here/always been? Why shouldn’t we question/challenge it when we see how bad it can be?

I don’t like your dismissive/apathetic statement passing it of as acceptable :/

Anonymous

So typical of his ilk. He keeps employing the terms “assaults” and “rape” in a manner intended to misconstrue.

Andrew Levin

Your condescension and mockery of victims of sexual assault in those abysmal portrayals is repulsive. Go die in a fire.

Statistics he’s using are flat out wrong. He’s not smart and the skit is unfunny. Next.

spiritsevening

I’ve read a lot of very controversial posts on this website (and I am very socially liberal) that I have disagreed with, but most of those have been by opinion, and I can respect the other side of the issue.

This has no argument. This is wrong and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Shame on you.