Jim sits down with Jerry Gaff and Tom Hitt at the Presque Isle Gallery Coffeehouse for some conversation on music, documentaries, social media, and play some songs against the sounds of cappuccino and espresso makers. Gaff leads at the beginning, followed by Hitt about midway into the recording after discussing live performances and “off the grid” lifestyles. The second half of the podcast includes more recordings (a child is causing a ruckus on the background) and the process for writing songs. At one minute and four or so seconds, the two jam together. A bonus Frank Marzano interview discussing Team of Rivals, Lincoln, and provisional ballots in the 2012 election near the end.