Look, sorry for the long wait between replies but ive had ALOt on my plate lately... training to become management and getting ready to ship to Basic Training and Techschool for 7 months.

But it seems to me we could keep these girls staright alot easier if someone were to create a Wikia for the Sim Brothel Game

EDIT: http://sim-bro.wikia.com/wiki/Sim_Brothel_Wiki oh wait I did This way we can post up profiles of the girls in the game keeping them straight cause it alphebetizes them also allows us to add categories to have the girls in any way we want... i'd suggest not posting the porn pics up but Echi is fine and the headshots definitely. we can completely customize the site giving us full access to edit the characters as needed.

http://sim-bro.wikia.com/wiki/Category:GirlsGot started on the Girls list already, no i havent gone in-depth into the characters but i am working on adding as many as i can to the list... i dont know was it a decent idea?

HOLY SHIT! I'm not sure if the idea of having a wiki for reference was mentioned before or if it's just something you decided on recently, but I think it sounds like a neccessity. This should make information gathering/checking/comparing a lot easier in the future.

... Although, it also means that now I've got something else that I need to work on. :/

• Naive: When it comes to understanding the world around her, this girl is still rather wet behind the ears. Effect: This girl gains a Charisma bonus each day, but has a greater chance of harmful events.

I think my next move (aside from finishing Ika-Musume and putting together that image package) will be to look into Pretty Cure. I've heard it's surprisingly hot-blooded for a magical girl anime. >.>

Wow, just ... just wow. You guys may find this difficult to believe but as obscure as she is, Ika-Musume is actually also on my list of girls for possible addition to the list. In fact, the only reason she isn't on there already is because I decided not to personally add anybody else until I had a better handle on what sorts of girls we specifically needed more of. Between Celty Sturlusson, Panty & Stocking and now Ika-Musume, every time I think I've found a girl too obscure for anyone else to know about somebody surprises me. One of these days though, I WILL stump you guys, it's become a quest. LOL

wow blast, our own wiki way to go xD. now the question is what should we add to there in terms of info. like make up stories as to how they got in the buisness or just info about them? and what should we put for some of the categorys, dose original mean the original simbro?

Wow, just ... just wow. You guys may find this difficult to believe but as obscure as she is, Ika-Musume is actually also on my list of girls for possible addition to the list. In fact, the only reason she isn't on there already is because I decided not to personally add anybody else until I had a better handle on what sorts of girls we specifically needed more of. Between Celty Sturlusson, Panty & Stocking and now Ika-Musume, every time I think I've found a girl too obscure for anyone else to know about somebody surprises me. One of these days though, I WILL stump you guys, it's become a quest. LOL

To be honest, I only started investigating her (and watching the animated series) because I kept finding new pictures of her on Pixiv. It's kind of pathetic just how many anime/game titles I became aware of through hentai. :/ Besides, if all we did were mainstream girls, this game would have a rather bland selection.

Joshua wrote:wow blast, our own wiki way to go xD. now the question is what should we add to there in terms of info. like make up stories as to how they got in the porn besness or just info about them?

Doing both sounds like the way to go, since it will allow us to 'proofread' all of the girls before they're finalized to make sure their stories and stats are reasonable. We wouldn't want to end up with a bunch of duplicates, either... <.<

... Also, I think something's up with one of those stupid ads at the top of the page; it keeps sendind me to some sort of 'error' page...

I tell you guys what, if you guys will focus on putting the girls up i will work on stories for them.. like the one i was working on for Fran

"Fran comes from a very curious village in the northern highlands where she is considered to be one of many. [blah blah blah filler] She Ran away to the Southern Countryside to find work where she could be appreciated, In the Brothel business she is what is known as an exotic beauty to be sure..."

Blastburn wrote:I tell you guys what, if you guys will focus on putting the girls up i will work on stories for them.. like the one i was working on for Fran

"Fran comes from a very curious village in the northern highlands where she is considered to be one of many. [blah blah blah filler] She Ran away to the Southern Countryside to find work where she could be appreciated, In the Brothel business she is what is known as an exotic beauty to be sure..."

Sounds either like a deal or a given, I guess. Also, the brief description of Fran's story sounds more or less like her background story in FF12. Which I like, really. It helps maintain the 'this is Fran' feeling as opposed to 'this looks like Fran and has the same name,' which is prevailant in the majority of the SlaveMaker girls. >.>

And now to start working on the articles for the... 100... plus... girls... I've suggested...

I just put a girl up. Maria Sagara. Unfortunately, IT ISN"T SHOWING. Maybe it has to be loaded in by master, I dunno... but...

I would like for us to create a standard blank set of the stats for a girl that is ready to copy/paste into a new girl so at least THAT part is the same in all of the entries.

A thought (just the way my mind works), when creating a page for a girl, it gives space for 1 pic. I think there should be 3 -- a head shot, a glamor shot, and a work shot. Even beyond that, at the bottom of the page, an endless well for pics of her that one could insert all available shots. That way if we have a girl who is short on pics, and one of us finds a pic, that contributor could make a quick reference to the page to see if that pic was already added to that girl. To take the even further, there should be at least 3 categories of pics. Standard (for the headshots, glamors, and normal sex shots). Team Player (shots of her with at least one other character having sex with a customer). And Switch Hitter (lesbian shots of the character and an unknown female).

If you take a look at Maria Sagara, you will see that I did a little story writing for her. I know all the girls I will be contributing and I have done some writing in my day, so to save you a little time, my girls will have stories added with them. You can, if you choose, keep or toss the pieces I added, or you can edit them to your discretion.

... Although... they don't have anything other than display pictures... -_-

Anyway, two things I wanted to say:

1) I have a request for you, Al. Could you please announce when you move girls up into the 'green zone' or move girls out of the 'green zone?' I've been setting a personal limit on whose pages I've been starting up on the wiki to those who already have enough pictures to be included in the game (and those who were in the previous installments) in order to prevent the hassle of a massive 'unacceptable cleanout.'

2) Also, Josh suggest Feldt Grace from Gundam 00 on the wiki. I'm surprised that only three girls from the series are on the list, considering that you could probably get every girl from Gundam 00 into the game. That includes crossgender Tieria Erde (Not sure if that would be allowed, but a lot of artists seem to like drawing him as a woman. A really hot woman, at that...) and maybe even Louise Halevy's mother (who actually wasn't even given an appropriate name and is simply referred to as "Louise Halevy's mother" :/).

... Okay, what the hell is up with the wiki? The last thirty pages I posted were appearing in the Girls section just an hour ago and now it keeps insisting that there are only 120. The pages aren't gone; they just won't show up. Like pretty much every picture...

... I'm guessing these issues are being caused by their recent rendition of Wiki? Or was it always this much of a pain?

Vava wrote:Besides, if all we did were mainstream girls, this game would have a rather bland selection.

I couldn’t agree more, brother. In fact, the whole ‘find a girl for inclusion that no one else has heard of’ quest originally came about precisely because I was trying to go farther afield looking for possible sources. I know we’re never going to have 1000 girls from 1000 different sources (and some of the girls from the same sources are too cool not to include anyway), but if the day ever comes when there are two girls to choose between and they’re equal in every other way, the one from a source that hasn’t been included yet would win out over one that’s from an anime/manga/game that is already well represented.

Vava wrote:Also, the brief description of Fran's story sounds more or less like her background story in FF12. Which I like, really. It helps maintain the 'this is Fran' feeling as opposed to 'this looks like Fran and has the same name,' which is prevailant in the majority of the SlaveMaker girls. >.>

Once again, Vava proves himself to be my prophet. LOL Admittedly, it’s still uncertain just how much of the girls’ backstories, etc, will actually be included in the game and how much will just end up being background research for everything else but the idea has always been to keep them all as close to their original incarnation as possible, only changing what absolutely has to be changed to make them fit in with everything else that’s going on.

Vava wrote:Could you please announce when you move girls up into the 'green zone' or move girls out of the 'green zone?'

Not a problem, although I highly doubt I’ll be doing so anytime soon, as I’ve been focused far more on other things lately than on sorting through the mountains of pics that have been sent to me already or pic-mining for new ones. Probably the only changes I’ll be making to the list in the near future would be to add newly suggested girls to the ‘black zone’ or moving them from there to the ‘yellow zone’ if someone sends or posts some pics of them.

Vava wrote:Also, Josh suggest Feldt Grace from Gundam 00 on the wiki. I'm surprised that only three girls from the series are on the list, considering that you could probably get every girl from Gundam 00 into the game.

Thanks for the heads up on that one. Admittedly, I’d already noticed her on the wiki when I was checking it out but that was entirely by accident (I was just sort of skimming along and was like, “Wait, Feldt Who?”) and I could have easily missed her.

Vava wrote:That includes crossgender Tieria Erde (Not sure if that would be allowed, but a lot of artists seem to like drawing him as a woman. A really hot woman, at that...)

This is probably going to surprise some people but I’m not ruling that out completely. There are already three girls on the list who occasionally misplace their Y chromosome (two of whom I added for just that very reason) and I wouldn’t mind having a few more if they’re out there to be found. Naturally, I’d prefer characters who are actual in-continuity genderbenders but I know there are some guys out there who are overwhelmingly represented more in female form in fanart and I wouldn’t be completely averse to adding them on a case-by-case basis.

Yes it does. Although the average rank and file citizen of Mioya doesn’t go around casting spells every day or anything, there are people who do (hence the Mage Type) and magical items, charms, etc. exist side by side with a sort of limited alchemical/SteamPunk/Gilligan’s Island/Dr. Frankenstein technology.

And now an appeal. There are three things that the girls list needs right now: 1) Variety, 2) Variety and … now, what was the third one? Oh yeah, I remember … 3) Variety. As mentioned, I’d like to have girls from as many sources as possible, the more obscure the better, but even more than that we need more of the different sorts of girls. If this game went into production (so to speak) right now the entire Type system would have to be dropped because, while I haven’t sorted out the ‘Whatever Else’ group (which includes age and breast size Types) yet, the only other ones who have enough girls in them to be used are Foreign/Exotic (I haven’t determined yet which Foreigners are foreign enough to be considered Exotic but combined they comprise roughly 23% of the total), Schoolgirls (clocking in with about 16%) and Fighters (approximately 13%), and even those could use a few more. The next closest is Monsters/Yokai, which falls far short of what I’m hoping for with only about 8%, with most of the rest falling somewhere between about 4- 0.9%. Catgirls, believe it or not, is the biggest loser thus far, comprising girls who dress and/or act like a cat but aren’t (like Cham Cham from Samurai Shodown, Hazuki from Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase and absolutely nobody else so far) and representing slightly less than 0.2% of the list. So please, pick a Type, any Type, and see how many girls you can find that qualify for it and might have enough pics out there to be included (Loup, you might want to check out a game called Cat Girl Alliance if you’re not already familiar with it and see if we can do something about the lack of Catgirls). And if you spot enough similarities between girls already on the list to warrant another Type altogether (current leading possibilities are Pirate and ‘Tomboy’ for lack of a better term) feel free to suggest it; after all, at this rate some of the ones we already have may end up being removed.

All of which brings up an interesting question that I’ve been pondering lately: just what percentage of the girls should qualify for a Type or Theme before it’s reasonable to include it anyway? I have a … decent grasp of statistical probability and as near as I understand if a certain subset comprises a given percentage of a greater set it can be reasonably assumed to comprise a generally similar percentage of any smaller set randomly sampled from it. What this means is that if 16% of the 1004 girls list so far are Schoolgirls and you randomly select 150 girls from that list then, on average 16% of those 150 (or about 24) are going to also be Schoolgirls. Because it’s randomly generated the possibility does exist to end up with every Schoolgirl on the list in that sample, or none of them at all, but overall the percentages are likely to be roughly similar. Assuming the foregoing to be correct, what percentage of the list should a given Type or Theme comprise in order for it to be considered prevalent enough for inclusion in the game mechanic? Naturally, some will end up being more common and others rarer (like Big Breasts or Ninja vs. Obedient or Cat Girl in the first version) and that’s not only expected but actually desirable, but what should the absolute minimum required to make something a statistically viable Type or Theme be? I mean, if only 0.2% of the list are Catgirls the odds of ever getting even one would be so slim that there wouldn’t be any point in devoting program space to dealing with them as they’d almost never be a measurable part of the game, you know?

Also, a couple of notes on Bakemono. First, while all Bakemono are welcome we currently have 13 cats, 6 each canines and rabbits, and 5 birds, plus a (non-kitsune) fox, a mouse, a goat, a dolphin and a … whatever the hell Touka from Utawarerumono is (Seriously, what the hell is she? They’re all supposed to be animal people and Karura is a dog while Urtoriy [Urutori] is a bird but what is Touka supposed to be? Those aren’t even ears hanging on the sides of her head, canonically they’re wings!). While it’s not surprising that the cats would outnumber anything else by two to one, and I don’t mind if the proportions stay that way, I’d still like to see more of everything else (especially rabbits), to say nothing of more critters being represented. I know BlazBlue has a squirrel girl and there are probably other cool ones out there I know nothing about, so any suggestions along those lines would be greatly appreciated. Also, I know Vava classified Iku-Musume (which literally translates as ‘Squid Daughter, btw, not that that has any bearing on anything at all, just thought I’d mention it) as a Bakemono but I’m not so sure about that, for the same reason that Wriggle Nightbug and Iku Nagae have been giving me fits trying to classify them. With the exception of a couple of snakes and one or two frogs, every single bakemono that I’ve found in the relevant folklore was either a mammal or a bird, anything less cute and cuddly being relegated to it’s own type of yokai (which is why Yamame Kurodani is a tsuchigumo, not a spider bakemono). I know we’re not exactly bound by the folklore here or anything, but since Bakemono aren’t hybrids so much as just slightly more intelligent animals able to mostly mimic human form I figure even a ‘slightly smarter’ squid, firefly or oarfish would pretty much just spend all day scuttling around the floorboards, staring at bright lights and gnawing on people’s ankles. *snork* It’s not a major point, and it certainly shouldn’t stop anyone from suggesting that anthropomorphic sea slug they’ve been considering or whatever, I just thought it deserved mention is all.

One last thing before I go, a little segment I call ‘Al Is Outstanding In His (Left) Field’:I’ve given a lot of thought to the Gallery aspect of the game and, barring future changes or the sudden realization that it’s really stupid, the way I see it working is something like this. As soon as each girl is acquired her first h-pic will be the only one available and both it and her glamour shot will immediately appear for viewing in the Gallery. Her second and third h-pics will become available upon attaining certain Ranks and once they are unlocked they will also appear in the Gallery. Other Gallery content will become available when certain achievements are attained and will include things like alternate images for some of the girls, images of girls who didn’t make it into the game for whatever reason, background information on the gameworld and/or some or all of the girls, a checklist of all 1000 girls the game has to offer so people can keep track of who they need to play again to find (probably presented in discrete chunks), etc. Probable achievements could be simple things, such as:

• getting all the Final Fantasy, Gundam, etc. girls in the game• having a brothel staffed entirely by Monsters, Elves or what have you• having a certain number of girls reach a certain Rank• or having an entire family unit (i.e. the Sagara girls, Chichi, Videl and Pan from Dragonball, etc.) working in the same brothel.

… or somewhat more obscure like:

• acquiring Zakuro Mitsukai from Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan, Villetta Nu from Code Geass, Ryofu Housen from Ikki Tousen, Chachamaru Karakuri from Mahou Sensei Negima, Tayuya from Naruto Shippuuden, Elizabeth ‘Liz’ Thompson from Soul Eater and Ibis Douglas from Super Robot Wars (all voiced in Japanese by Akeno Watanabe); or Rachel Moore [Ran Mouri] from Case Closed, God Eye Galatea/‘Sister Ratae’ from Claymore, Zangya from Dragonball, Riza Hawkeye from Fullmetal Alchemist, Kisara Nanjo from Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple, Eclair from Kiddy Grade, Sakurako Shiina from Mahou Sensei Negima and Matsu from Sekirei (all voiced in English by Colleen Clinkenbeard).• acquiring at least one girl each from Final Fantasy VII, VIII and X and Parasite Eve (all designed by Tetsuya Nomura); Chun-Li from the Street Fighter II series, Poison Kiss from Final Fight and a certain number of the Darkstalkers girls (all designed by Akira Yasuda); or a certain number of girls each from Dragon Quest III, IV and VIII and Dragonball (all designed by Akira Toriyama).• acquiring Rachel Alucard from BlazBlue, Mina Tepes from Dance in the Vampire Bund, Fate Testarossa Harlaown from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS, Evangeline Athanasia Katherine (Kitty) McDowell from Mahou Sensei Negima and Remilia Scarlet from Touhou; or Charlotte Helene ‘Tabitha’ Orléans from Familiar of Zero, Yuki Nagato from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Ryomou Shimei from Ikki Tousen, Rei Ayanami from Neon Genesis Evangelion and Shiki from Touhou (all ‘expies’ or ‘exported characters’ versions of each other).

um sorry alsala but whats the difference between bakemono and cat girl? i found a site with some cat-girls (think they might be bakemono though) however i believe they are original characters so im not sure if we can use them.

Joshua wrote:um sorry alsala but whats the difference between bakemono and cat girl? i found a site with some cat-girls (think they might be bakemono though) however i believe they are original characters so im not sure if we can use them.

Yah, that's the question that plagued me for some time, trying to figure out how to include the Cat Girl Theme from versions 1 and 2 into a game that had all the living, breathing feline females classified as Bakemono. I couldn't just rename it 'Cat Girls' because there are a lot more than just cats there and it didn't make any sense to pull the cats out into their own Type while leaving everything else lumped together, but I've tried real hard to utilize every aspect of previous versions of the game in some manner so how best to include Cat Girl? What I finally settled on is, I think, really the only way to do it that makes any sense at all. The real world Japanese have a fetishistic fascination with nekomimi, which is to say human girls who wear cat ears and such, as well as with Playboy bunnies (something to which we in America are not immune, judging by the multi-billion dollar empire that is everything Playboy), and this can be seen in the Cat Suit and Bunny Suit in SlaveMaker (a game originally created by the same person as SimBro) as well. So I made Catgirl and Bunnygirl (note the fact that they're written as one word, that'll become marginally important in a moment) clothing-based Types, as I said here:

So, what's the difference between a Bakemono and a cat girl? That's where the whole 'written as one word or two' thing comes in. If a girl has built in and biologically functional cat ears and/or a tail, if she's a literal 'cat girl', then she's a Bakemono just like if she were a dog girl or a bird girl or yes, even a bunny girl. But if she's something else, if no part of her is actually genetically feline, but she wears accessories and/or acts in a way designed to represent cats and associate herself with them for whatever reason, then she's a 'Catgirl' just like the Do You Like Horny Bunnies? characters are Bunnygirls. Basically, it's like those old Tylenol and Vicks Formula 44 commercials where some guy from a soap opera says, "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV": she's not a Bakemono but she plays one to make guys randy. LOL

Huh. Then I guess I should be called the "Ignorant Prophet of Alasdair." >.>

alasdair69 wrote:This is probably going to surprise some people but I’m not ruling that out completely. There are already three girls on the list who occasionally misplace their Y chromosome (two of whom I added for just that very reason) and I wouldn’t mind having a few more if they’re out there to be found. Naturally, I’d prefer characters who are actual in-continuity genderbenders but I know there are some guys out there who are overwhelmingly represented more in female form in fanart and I wouldn’t be completely averse to adding them on a case-by-case basis.

Kay. When I first realized that Tierde was supposed to be a guy, I was like, "whaaaaat?!?" There was a minute or two of reflection and uncertainty.

... And then I started saving the pictures, again, anyway. : P

alasdair69 wrote:And now an appeal. There are three things that the girls list needs right now: 1) Variety, 2) Variety and … now, what was the third one? Oh yeah, I remember … 3) Variety. As mentioned, I’d like to have girls from as many sources as possible, the more obscure the better, but even more than that we need more of the different sorts of girls. If this game went into production (so to speak) right now the entire Type system would have to be dropped because, while I haven’t sorted out the ‘Whatever Else’ group (which includes age and breast size Types) yet, the only other ones who have enough girls in them to be used are Foreign/Exotic (I haven’t determined yet which Foreigners are foreign enough to be considered Exotic but combined they comprise roughly 23% of the total), Schoolgirls (clocking in with about 16%) and Fighters (approximately 13%), and even those could use a few more. The next closest is Monsters/Yokai, which falls far short of what I’m hoping for with only about 8%, with most of the rest falling somewhere between about 4- 0.9%. Catgirls, believe it or not, is the biggest loser thus far, comprising girls who dress and/or act like a cat but aren’t (like Cham Cham from Samurai Shodown, Hazuki from Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase and absolutely nobody else so far) and representing slightly less than 0.2% of the list. So please, pick a Type, any Type, and see how many girls you can find that qualify for it and might have enough pics out there to be included (Loup, you might want to check out a game called Cat Girl Alliance if you’re not already familiar with it and see if we can do something about the lack of Catgirls).

I know you hate when I ask for them, but I think it would help if we had this list of 'Girls by Type' you have. It would certainly help give us an overview of where they stand, currently, at least. At the same time, if the Type system doesn't work the way it is, couldn't it be restructured into some other function? Anyway, I'll do my best to brainstorm for more Types, but I usually just end up thinking up something that sounds more appropriate as a Trait than a Type.

alasdair69 wrote:...current leading possibilities are Pirate and ‘Tomboy’ for lack of a better term...

You know who first came to my mind? Faris. She fits both. Perfectly. <.<

1) Acheivements. Sounds like an interesting way to spice up the game and add some replay value (in tandum with the Gallery concept of using every girl). I can never manage to actually finish a game of SimBro (version 1 or 2) because I always end up having EVERYTHING by the fourth or fifth month and grow bored of playing. :/ Also, I like how some of the acheivement ideas you mentioned seem to prompt researching the characters for yourself (especially the ones regarding voice actors >.>).

2) Cat Girls/Catgirls. I had been under the impression for the longest time that it would be incorporated into the game as a Trait with the reasoning that a girl need not be born with cat ears and a cat tail to be considered a Cat Girl. Blame SlaveMaker for this. (You already know this, but...) In the game, Minako had a fascination with Cat Girls, which you could gradually build from simple curiosity to full cultural embrace by having her talk to various cat girls and inquiring about their lore and lifestyles. Following this arc, she eventually decides to adopt their mannerisms and begins to live her life as one (assuming you also buy the corresponding outfit <.<). I guess what I'm trying to say is this: It takes a combination of physical characteristics, granted from either birth or apparel, and a unique state of mind in order for a girl to even be considered a Catgirl and not just a girl wearing cat ears and a cat tail. Also, while a Cat Girl may already possess the biological inclination to behave as one, there may be a few cases in which she does not behave in the typical Cat Girl fashion. ... Although... I don't think I've ever known of such a character... so that probably doesn't even apply to the game...

Oh, lastly, I've been wondering if you'd like us to keep using the Misty/Kasumi version (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Anime) that had been introduced in the previous game or if we should also consider her Gold/Silver/Crystal incarnation.

hmmm ok kind clears it up though my next question is how manny pics dose it take for one to qualify for the catgirl/ animal cosplayer trait? since with enough time cat_tail cat_ears rating:explicit on gelbooru could turn up at least one for a number of girls, maybe not sex but at least enough nude.

or sould we do what vava says and base it on personality?

going through the first 7 pages or so i found one of the k-on girls, a non sexual haruhi pic on the last page, (35 i think)even a princess daisy non H

you could go even broader with animal_ears rating:explicit for a 388 page search.

the problem with gelbooru is how hard it is to filter out certain material since animal_ears includes inuyasha, (and -yaoi dose not get everything, since yaoi is technecaly gay intercorse a futa on male gets through, ect.) and putting something like -male get rid of all men.

oh and animal ears also includes literaly animal ears, so theres bound to be a lot of beastality/furry in there. also the cat_tail tag, only aplies if the cat tail is visable in the picture so a cat girl who's tail is not visible will not get the tag.

Vava wrote:I know you hate when I ask for them, but I think it would help if we had this list of 'Girls by Type' you have. It would certainly help give us an overview of where they stand, currently, at least.

Dude, the only thing I hate about you asking me for some of my lists is how difficult it usually is for me to actually give them to you and how lame/stupid/lazy/whatever I end up looking when I try to explain why it takes me forever to do it. I’m the first one to admit how much easier everything would be if we were all on the same page and you guys knew exactly where everything stood and where my head was at on it at the moment, but unfortunately ‘where my head is at’ is typically so far afield it’s somewhere between the asteroid belt and Alpha Centauri. Seriously, some people are right-brained, some people are left-brained, I’m something like north-by-left-up-brained. *snork* Case in point, this “list of Girls by Type” that I have? I haven’t. What I DO have are four folders labeled ‘What They Are’, ‘What They Wear’, ‘What They Do’ and ‘Whatever Else’, each with 1004 images in it (one for each girl on the list) and the first three with a series of subfolders in them correlating to the various specific Types. As I determine that a girl qualifies for a given Type, I drag her image into the appropriate folder (or copy it if she qualifies for more than one) and then when necessary I further subdivide them within the folders as was the case with the Foreign ones. Oh, and I also have a calculator, which I used to come up with the percentages I cited on the fly. It came about in this form because I’m very visually oriented and when I was trying to decide who qualified for what foreign ethnicity (often based largely on appearance, as ‘racial profiling’-ish as that may seem) or clothing-based Types it was a lot easier for me to be able to actually see them all at once. I’ve had every intention from the beginning of providing everyone with a complete list just as soon as I was done sorting out exactly who went where but I’m nowhere near that point yet, I haven’t done the ‘Whatever Else’ Types at all yet and I’m still tweaking several of the others. For instance, which is Rin Tosaka’s more iconic appearance, her school uniform (which would make her a Schoolgirl) or that red top she also wears (which would not)? And what about Kallen and Nina Einstein from Code Geass, do they spend the majority of the show in their school uniforms or something else? And why do Mion, Shion and Rena from When the Cicadas Cry have three different school uniforms when at least two of them go to the same school? What exactly constitutes a ‘military-looking’ outfit when the military (or whatever special unit happens to be depicted) is dressed differently in just about every show or game and none of the Gundam pilots wear anything even remotely resembling each other and they’re from the same show(s)? Where do I put Motoko from Ghost in the Shell and Rebecca Chambers from Resident Evil when they’re technically police officers and their outfits might be some sort of SWAT gear but look a lot more like military special-forces? Rhythmic gymnastics and cheerleading are fun to watch, so should they be considered Entertainers? Should school counselors and nurses who don’t wear a uniform, nurse instructors who do and pokemon trainers be considered Teachers? Should school idols and truly INfamous people (like Kei and Yuri from The Dirty Pair, Mihoshi and Washu from Tenshi Muyo, Lina Inverse from Slayers or Evangeline from Negima) be considered Celebrities? What the hell IS Touka, a Bakemono of some weird sort, a Monster, what? Hells, it was just last night that I realized Android 18 couldn’t be an Automaton (previously known as Homunculus, until I realized just what a crappy fit that name was) since she’s also Marron’s mom. As you can see, it’s all still very much a work in progress.

If you absolutely need some specifics though, these are the numbers that I’m reasonably sure at least won’t go down:

Vava wrote:At the same time, if the Type system doesn't work the way it is, couldn't it be restructured into some other function?

I’m sure it could. But if that happens then the new Theme system would also have to be restructured somewhat to compensate for the customer attraction and satisfaction aspects currently covered by Types, which wouldn’t be an insurmountable obstacle by any means but the only thing required to keep all that from happening is more girls to fill out the other Types and make them viable. In a best case scenario (yah, like those ever happen, right? LOL) I’d like 100 girls that qualify for each Type so we could pick and choose for best balance all around but I figure bare minimum we’ll need 50 for a fairly uncommon Type. That’s 5% of the total 1000 girls, which would equate to approximately 7-8 in each normal playthrough. The good news is that we don’t actually need all of those Types. More Types equals more variety and a richer gaming experience of course, but there are enough that if a couple of them don’t end up passing muster they can be phased out with little difficulty. If too many of them don’t end up with enough girls to work though, then the entire Type mechanic is in danger of needing to be taken out and everything else restructured to compensate.

Vava wrote:Anyway, I'll do my best to brainstorm for more Types, but I usually just end up thinking up something that sounds more appropriate as a Trait than a Type.

We don’t actually need more Types, although it might not hurt to have a few extra ideas in case some need to be removed for lack of girls, which is why I said that if someone saw enough similarities between enough girls already on the list to warrant a new Type to let me know. What we really need are more girls to fill the Types we’ve already got. As far as whether something should qualify as a Type or not, it should be something that is: 1) pretty readily apparent (i.e. Glasses, Bakemono, Military or Mage) and 2) desirable to a large number or men across age and cultural divisions (i.e. Buxom, Foreign, Schoolgirl or Celebrity).

Vava wrote:Because a Tanystropheus girl is perhaps the most original bakemono-type I've heard of in my entire life, and I'm the person who invents things like were-hydras and anthropomorphic battletitans. >.>

Yeah, that’s definitely unique and I might even be willing to make an exception to the ‘cute and cuddly critter’ guideline for her just for that reason. But the real question is: can you get the pics? LOL

Vava wrote:1) Acheivements. Sounds like an interesting way to spice up the game and add some replay value (in tandum with the Gallery concept of using every girl). I can never manage to actually finish a game of SimBro (version 1 or 2) because I always end up having EVERYTHING by the fourth or fifth month and grow bored of playing. :/ Also, I like how some of the acheivement ideas you mentioned seem to prompt researching the characters for yourself (especially the ones regarding voice actors >.>).

Actually, just like with most games that include achievements, the player isn’t going to actually know what any of them are or even that they’re there until they stumble onto one. Imagine you’re playing a game and you already have Rachel Moore, Sister Ratae, Zangya, Riza Hawkeye, Kisara Nanjo, Éclair and Sakurako Shiina, then you hire Matsu and a message pops up saying “You have unlocked the Achievement ‘Vox Populi: Colleen Clinkenbeard’! New content is now available in the Gallery!”

Once they’re announced to the player in a pop-up window, Achievements will be listed on a separate page within the Gallery itself (which will be renamed something appropriate to its newly expanded functions), becoming visible in the proper place upon unlocking like Traits were in v1. There will be several inclusive categories with catchy titles, such as Vox Populi (Latin for ‘voice of the people’) for Achievements involving Japanese and American voice actors, All in the Family for those involving related characters, In the Name of the Creator for character designers, Call Us Legion for expies, We Are the World for same-universe characters, etc.

Vava wrote:2) Cat Girls/Catgirls. I had been under the impression for the longest time that it would be incorporated into the game as a Trait with the reasoning that a girl need not be born with cat ears and a cat tail to be considered a Cat Girl. Blame SlaveMaker for this. (You already know this, but...) In the game, Minako had a fascination with Cat Girls, which you could gradually build from simple curiosity to full cultural embrace by having her talk to various cat girls and inquiring about their lore and lifestyles. Following this arc, she eventually decides to adopt their mannerisms and begins to live her life as one (assuming you also buy the corresponding outfit <.<). I guess what I'm trying to say is this: It takes a combination of physical characteristics, granted from either birth or apparel, and a unique state of mind in order for a girl to even be considered a Catgirl and not just a girl wearing cat ears and a cat tail. Also, while a Cat Girl may already possess the biological inclination to behave as one, there may be a few cases in which she does not behave in the typical Cat Girl fashion. ... Although... I don't think I've ever known of such a character... so that probably doesn't even apply to the game...

I do blame SlaveMaker for this. *nods* You’re right in that this is how it works in that game but how would you even begin to apply that to SimBro? Bear in mind that any answer has to take into account the presence of both cat and other Bakemono and girls who dress as bunnies also. Here’s the way I have it written down:

The people of Mioya have always had an intense fascination with the bakemono that live in the deepest parts of their forests, especially the cats and rabbits, and this has given rise to a specific subculture which emulates them, reproducing, either through appearance and behavior or association, their cuteness, sexual magnetism and sheer erotic allure. This subculture is divided into two distinct Types, each with its own general mindset and personality quirks (albeit with much individual variation), but one thing they both have in common is the usage of various personal accessories that make up the ‘uniforms’ of these faux-bakemono. Typically a headband resembling the ears of the appropriate species and occasionally a tail will suffice, but some take it much further, adding ornaments and affectations until they are more stereotypical representatives of their target animal than genuine bakemono are.• Catgirl: They may be independent and proud, mischievous and sneaky or vain and fickle, but either way a little ‘cat and mouse’ with them is well worth the scratches.• Bunnygirl: Rabbits may be cute and cuddly, innocent and perhaps even a little humorous, but they’re known for something else too and Bunnygirls play into both images for all they’re worth.

Now, I knew I was probably going to catch some hell for downgrading the most potent Attribute/Theme in the first two versions into one sentence and a few extra customers, or worse yet possibly into even fewer customers, but after a lot of thought I realized that this was the place that Catgirl fit best, as well as being closest to how it was originally envisioned. I’ve never spoken with Pooolka (the guy who originally created SimBro and SlaveMaker) directly but I’ve spoken with someone who has and he told me that the man himself stated that Catgirl was applied primarily to those girls who cosplayed a lot in their original continuity, which is fairly well covered by the Roleplayer Theme so the uniform section of Types is the best place for both it and the Playboy bunnies. As for the rather exorbitant bonuses, those were pretty much just due to the fact that Pooolka has a fetish for cosplay himself and while I have nothing against a little fanwankery here and there it’s hardly what I’d call a fair and equitable method of game design, which is why I never mentioned this before (since I knew I wasn’t going to do it that way) and why I’m not going to double the Charisma and Sex scores of all the nerdy girls with glasses. LOL What I did do, since all the biological cat girls are bakemono now so that route wouldn’t work either, is split up your idea …

Vava wrote:I've always viewed Cat Girl as two possible character traits. To me, it either suggests a character who is more than willing to playfully (and erotically) tease someone in order to please them, or it suggests a character with a higher-than-average, almost animal-like libido.

… between Catgirls and Bunnygirls as stereotypical personality traits and apply my original explanation for Catgirl to both.

Vava wrote:Oh, lastly, I've been wondering if you'd like us to keep using the Misty/Kasumi version (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow/Anime) that had been introduced in the previous game or if we should also consider her Gold/Silver/Crystal incarnation.

I suppose I should probably also ask about Sabrina/Natsume, since they decided to give her a makeover in the recent games... <.< >.> And somewhat off topic, I prefered how she originally looked. Her original dark, matronly look just appeals to me more for some reason...

Pokemon makes my head hurt, and not in the ‘seizure inducing flashy lights that get episodes banned’ way but the ‘way too much fiddly crap to keep track of’ way. Remind me to regale you sometime with my horror stories about trying to figure out how much time has passed across 10 games, 5 manga and 4 anime in order to keep track of how much everyone’s aged (I finally had to just assume that Gen V takes place 3 years after Gen II & IV just like they did after Gen I & III). The upswing of all this is that I didn’t even know there were new versions of any of the characters until I read your post so I really don’t know how to answer you. What I DO know is that according to all of my research, at the time Black & White can be assumed to take place Misty is 16 and Sabrina is 27, so make of that what you will. Personally, I’m with you. I prefer the old look for both of them and there are enough 16-ish looking pics of original Misty out there to make that viable, but I’m not the Pokemon fan here so I’d like to hear what everyone else thinks about it.

Joshua wrote:hmmm ok kind clears it up though my next question is how manny pics dose it take for one to qualify for the catgirl/ animal cosplayer trait?

Preferably? All. It’s not a Trait it’s a Type, just like Schoolgirl or Military and just like all clothing-based Types it’s not applied to any girl who has one or two fanpics of her with cat ears on (then pretty much every girl in the game would be a Catgirl) but only to those for whom it’s their major in-continuity shtick. Cham Cham from Samurai Shodown is never seen without her cat gear on and Hazuki from Moon Phase got her nekomimi in the second or third episode and then proceeded to never, ever take them off. I know that narrows it down a LOT but there’s really no way around it, if we want to keep something specifically called ‘Catgirl’ in the game (and I do, because it’s always been such a big part of SimBro up until now) this is the only way I can see to do it. Fortunately, all hope is not lost: a little bit (okay a lot, as in a few hours’ worth) of online research turned up several possible Catgirl candidates.

Bear in mind that I know next to nothing about any of these characters except that they like dressing up and/or acting like a cat or are otherwise associated with them heavily, but at least it gives some ideas where to start, right?

Joshua wrote:or sould we do what vava says and base it on personality?

Well, it’s not based entirely on personality but, in the interests of having more potential candidates if nothing else, I don’t see why we can’t include girls who act like a cat even without the accessories. Two that I can think of off the top of my head (okay, okay, one of them came from the aforementioned few hours of online research) who might qualify in this manner would be Mikoto Minagi from Mai-HiME and Meow from Kazemakase Tsukikage Ran, and I might even end up adding Ryoko Hakubi from Tenchi Muyo as well.

yea well ill see what i can do with the animal ear mess, cat_ears with out cat tails, and minus a lot of prohibited material still has 120+ pages problem is i dont really recognise a lot fo people that show up.

on the whole wiki story thing though, i have been making up some as i go, but since it keeps logging me out im the random contributor. and there must have been a giant war, since so far feldt, mist, nephenee rydia and zelda, have something i can work of war.

if you feel you can make a better story feel free, since for example nel i had no idea cept the whole hit head no memory part was actually in bleach but how do i explain shes basically a demon from a different world?

as for the whole pokemon thing iv allways liked the gym leader misty more (with the wet suit) and from what i gather the games, anime, and manga are each a different continum, and the anime is mostly by itself, and the game somewhat influence the manga (basically take the games names and now they are manga versions)

1) Thanks for the statistics, Al. Also, this isn't really important or anything, but the school in Higurashi When They Cry is a small (one-room) school; they don't really have assigned uniforms or anything like that. Rena had been attending another school in her past, though, which would explain why she would have an actual uniform. Also, good call on dropping Roll.EXE (I honestly can't find any decent pictures where the male ISN'T MegaMan.EXE).

2) New Types (Newtypes? <.<) not needed at the moment, but keep my eyes open for Type application to girls? Kay.

3) That image I posted was something an artist drew for a non-existent h-game where, by the looks of it, you bred animal girls. I was just saying that a Tanystropheus girl was the most original animal girl I had ever heard of (the more I think about it, the more I want one <3). I sincerely doubt that any anime, game or comic had ever spawned one. ... Kind of a downer, really...

4) (@ Pooolka) Ooooh. That explains a lot, actually.

5) As for Pokemon, it's as Josh says. The anime has it's own continuity separate from the games, and the manga are heavily influenced by the games (but still within their own continuity; otherwise, five out of the eight gym leaders in Kanto would have all been part of Team Rocket). As far as game continuity goes, though, I think only the first and second generations of Pokemon were actually connected while the other generations were in their own separate continuities, but that's just me. Also, I didn't clarify my stance on Misty's appearance; I prefer her second look. That's probably due to the fact that the first Pokemon game I beat without exploiting glitches was Silver (the Game Boy version, back when Pokemon had this hidden 'bad ass' undertone that your imagination seemed to produce as you played it).

Off topic, I grew out of the animated series when I saw Ash's final battle in the Kanto national tournament. I felt cheated that neither he nor Gary actually managed to make it past the preliminaries, and I couldn't stand watching the show ever since...

6) Keep my eyes open for possible Catgirls/Bunnygirls? Alright. I don't really know any characters who did that as their major schtick, but a few 'distant' examples come to mind (that you're probably already aware of :S). Dragon Quest 8 allows you to get a complete Bunnygirl outfit for Jessica (it's not a bad armor during the earlier parts of the game, but it quickly loses value). Also, to my recollection, the Berserker class in FF5 caused Lenna and Faris to don animal girl-like attire (I think Lenna was something like a Catgirl and Faris was something like a Wolfgirl; I know I've seen h-material of them in that class, anyway, so I should probably doublecheck). Anyway, I know that those examples don't really help much, but it's what's coming to mind, right now. :/

7) I don't think it would be that hard to explain Nel's background, considering that we've got so many types of monster girls already. ... I probably should have copypasta'd all that information I was getting from SlaveMaker regarding religious lore. That explained so much of that game's setting...

8 ) I've been doing my best to get as many pages up on the Wiki as possible (I've been aiming for 50 per day, which I haven't quite finished for today; just ten more...), but I'm also trying to think up some crummy little starter background stories while I'm at it. So far, the only girl I've given one to is Cirno (because the story was stuck in my head for months), but I can probably work out a few other girls. ... Oh, and, if I can't find a suitable display picture, I typically pass over a girl for later, but I've been keeping track of who I've been passing.

Also, I'm sure Al's already experienced this, but I'd like to say this: I've gotten this strange sensation as I've been searching for the display pictures. It's like, regardless of whoever it is I'm making a page for, I can't seem to feel hostility for seeing them included. It's like, I'm not just fine with their inclusions, I'm happy with them...

Anyway, I had also typed up some things I decided to note on as I went through the lists...

Vava wrote:Are we still going with P'fil? This is just a personal request; I'd feel a bit better about it if I could see the pictures she'd be using.Not going to allow any of the other generic characters from the Dragon Quest games? What about their other face characters?So, did Videl lose her last name (Satan) when she married Gohan or something?Celty Sturluson doesn't appear to have a head... Ever... I'm fine with that, personally, but I was wondering if you were aware...Sangokushi Taisen--Some card game based off the Three Rings setting/era in China. I came across it as I was looking up display pictures for the Dynasty Warriors (a.k.a. Shin Sangoku Musou) girls and I thought I should bring it up.

... And I guess I'll also post the short list of who I've passed over because I couldn't find display pictures thus far...