pain when you have to build them or true them. My Campy Shamals have the hidden nipples, and I've NEVER had to true them. Good thing too since pulling and regluing a tubie just to true a wheel would be a pain.

you betcha. so far, the only carbon wheels I HAVEN'T heard of going out of true are discs(but I'm sure they could if beat on enough).

With the spoked ones, they can go out of true just like a normal wheel. With the other varieties, you are screwed if they go out(think Spinergy Rev-X, Hed/Specialized tri-spoke). There's no way to re-true the non-spoked variety.

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