What do you mean? Your Ave cast vote is 3.54 5 is a lot better than what you give out

Well maybe I think I'm better than everybody else? Ever think of that?

Well judging from those scores actually it means that you think you are great and everyone else is rubbish. My what a healthy attitude!!!!! It adds enormous value to both the site and life. Well done....bravo

What do you mean? Your Ave cast vote is 3.54 5 is a lot better than what you give out

Well maybe I think I'm better than everybody else? Ever think of that?

Well judging from those scores actually it means that you think you are great and everyone else is rubbish. My what a healthy attitude!!!!! It adds enormous value to both the site and life. Well done....bravo

Jon...that's what I said. I'm great and everybody else is rubbish. Also, you should work on picking up sarcasm.

ON an additional note: I have changed the way I vote, but let me explain the method.

I rate these photographs on a scale from 1 to 10. 1 is a blank page, or something that doesn't meet the challenge at all. A 10 is the best picture I could imagine for a particular challenge. I RARELY give out 10's because I think there is always room for improvement on any image. Anyone that ever took an art class remembers getting the holy heck torn out of images they thought were great in critiques.

By this logic, a 5 is a middle of the road image, and you can feel free to disagree with me here, but I think that a lot of the entries here are below the middle of the road. Some of them are snapshots that people may submit hoping to get lucky, but there was no thought put into the image. I'm not saying you HAVE to think really hard about your image, BUT you are given 7 DAYS!! to come up with an idea, and execute, and the sooner we all start planning ahead and really working on ideas, the more quickly the quality of the work will improve.

PLEASE don't read into this as me saying that I'm great and everybody else is rubbish...the comment I made earlier was just a joke. There are a ton of photographers on here that are way beyond me in ideas and critical skills. But I think that everyone can do better.

When I said that a 5.0 is "not good", I meant it. It's not good. It's middle of the road.

What do you mean? Your Ave cast vote is 3.54 5 is a lot better than what you give out

Well maybe I think I'm better than everybody else? Ever think of that?

Well judging from those scores actually it means that you think you are great and everyone else is rubbish. My what a healthy attitude!!!!! It adds enormous value to both the site and life. Well done....bravo

Jon...that's what I said. I'm great and everybody else is rubbish. Also, you should work on picking up sarcasm.

ON an additional note: I have changed the way I vote, but let me explain the method.

I rate these photographs on a scale from 1 to 10. 1 is a blank page, or something that doesn't meet the challenge at all. A 10 is the best picture I could imagine for a particular challenge. I RARELY give out 10's because I think there is always room for improvement on any image. Anyone that ever took an art class remembers getting the holy heck torn out of images they thought were great in critiques.

By this logic, a 5 is a middle of the road image, and you can feel free to disagree with me here, but I think that a lot of the entries here are below the middle of the road. Some of them are snapshots that people may submit hoping to get lucky, but there was no thought put into the image. I'm not saying you HAVE to think really hard about your image, BUT you are given 7 DAYS!! to come up with an idea, and execute, and the sooner we all start planning ahead and really working on ideas, the more quickly the quality of the work will improve.

PLEASE don't read into this as me saying that I'm great and everybody else is rubbish...the comment I made earlier was just a joke. There are a ton of photographers on here that are way beyond me in ideas and critical skills. But I think that everyone can do better.

When I said that a 5.0 is "not good", I meant it. It's not good. It's middle of the road.

Firstly apologies to everyone reading this thread who might have been hoping just to see some scores but I do think there are some issues that need to be addressed here. I promise that this is my last post on this subject (in this thread) not least of all because I am going to be away for the rest of the week

Jason you can try and dress up your comments as 'joking/sacrasm' but the scores speak for themselves. I am happy to acknowledge that you have produced better shots than me but the fact that you are ready to dismiss well over half the shots in challenges as significantly below average does - imo - speak volumes about your attitude

If 5 if a middle of the road image and your average given is 3.54 then there can be no argument about this

That of course is your opinion and you are entitled to it. We do differ significantly on this. It is my belief that the site thrives from people giving both positive encouragement and also constructive criticism. For all the 3's and 2's you have given out have you actually taken the time to try and point out where you think that people could have improved their shots? Judging from the fact that you have only made 101 comments I would guess not.

I think most people take challenge scores with a pinch of salt. Certainly experience has taught me that some shots I have taken that have not scored well have been picked up by magazines and newspapers and used. However equally there can be no doubt that people dont like getting low scores (your comment '1 vote 5 not so good' shows this whether it was made sarcastically or not). I think low scores lead to low scores in that a lot of people see their pictures scoring badly and decide to 'mark tough' when they go through images, which of course can lead to a spiral of decline which I dont think does the site any favours