It’s not a good idea to try and make eye contact with Ryan Vogelsong when he’s pitching, but the Giants coaches needed to know how he was feeling late in Friday’s game.

“I didn’t answer them,” Vogelsong said.

You don’t ignore your catcher, though. Buster Posey came over to check on Vogelsong, who had never thrown a pitch in the ninth inning of a big league start before.

“Bus, I’m tired,” Vogelsong told him. “But I’m not coming out.”

Vogelsong had this night on his bucket list. He wanted that nine-inning complete game. His stats page says he threw a CG in 2011, but Vogelsong doesn’t count that one. It was a six-inning game shortened by rain. He had a shot last August, when he threw 98 pitches through the first eight innings of a win over Pittsburgh, but he was coming off a finger injury and wasn’t allowed to go out for the ninth.

“I knew he wanted to finish it in the worst way,” manager Bruce Bochy said. “I had him covered there (with relievers).”

They wouldn’t be needed. Vogelsong got three quick outs and he got his complete game. It was one of the best games he has ever pitched — a two-hour, six-minute, two-hit gem at Citi Field — and it came just a few days after his 37th birthday. Vogelsong at first thought this would be a rough night because he was having trouble throwing out of the stretch in warmups. But then he switched to his full windup.

“It locked in,” he said.

The Mets had no shot. If you went out and stood in the Shake Shack line in center field, you would have missed three innings of this one. Vogelsong and Jonathon Niese worked quickly and efficiently. Niese threw 68 strikes in 87 pitches but his throwaway in the second inning helped the Giants take the lead.

“That was the only ball he threw early in the game,” Bochy said of Niese’s throw to second. “We got a break there.”

There haven’t been many of those for Vogelsong lately. He had lost five of his last six starts despite a 3.48 ERA during that stretch. He battled the “crud” that’s going around the clubhouse, and when he finally recovered, he went out and gave up four runs and got shut out by the Dodgers.

“My last month has been pretty tough,” Vogelsong said. “Some tough luck and bad pitching. I told myself that I’m starting a new month and I wanted to pitch my butt off and get us in the postseason. This is a good start tonight.”

Vogelsong walked one and struck out five. The lone run came when he shook off one of Posey’s calls and then gave up a homer to Lucas Duda. But the Giants had a 5-0 lead by then, with Vogelsong scoring one of the runs. He came around from first on Hunter Pence’s triple, and it was then that Posey thought the bid for a complete game might go off the rails. Vogelsong’s pitch count was low, but Posey thought he looked tired in the bottom of the seventh and the eighth.

“That, as old as he is, took a lot out of him,” a smiling Posey said of the run from first.

Vogelsong was energized by the ninth and he closed the door. He knew Bochy would pull him if a runner or two got on and he was fine with that. The first goal was to win, not put a complete game in the books. When it was over, Vogelsong pumped his first as Posey approached. It was a rare moment for a stoic right-hander who is known for his glares, not celebrations.

“That’s about all you’re going to get,” he said. “I was pretty tired.”

— I forgot to ask Vogelsong, the Pennsylvania native, if the Altoona Super-8 is as dumpy as Jarrett Parker and Matt Duffy said it is. Damn it.

Oh well. Duffy had a nice debut, getting his jersey dirty and providing an RBI single. “He looked comfortable and poised,” Bochy said. “It’s a good swing. It looked like he was seeing the ball well.”

It’s weird, but I was sold on Duffy after watching him try to break up a double play. He’s quick and he’s a gamer, and he does have a nice, easy swing.

“You could tell he has good instincts,” Bochy said. “He runs fairly well. He plays second, short, third. He uses the whole field. It’s a simple swing at the plate, balanced without much movement. That will work.”

It won’t work tomorrow. Bochy said Joe Panik would start against a right-hander. But Duffy, in an extremely small sample size, looks like he’ll be competitive up here and that’s more than you could say for some Giants prospects. He said he was nervous during warm-ups but not the game.

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Awesome post game story, Alex. Vogey was fantastic. Offense put it together. Lots of good stuff to go around. Duffy!

Reminds me of Lincecum’s no-no this season. I sat in sec 138 bleachers and watched his entire pre-game warm-up from 5 rows up right there near the LF line. He got towards the end (which doesn’t take long, as we know). He threw about 5 splits very nicely. Went to a few sliders or slurves. Bounced one pretty bad. Nearly bounced another. Then went to fastballs. One made Hector not only stand up, but JUMP and stretch to catch it. Uh-oh, I thought… We could be in for one.

Oh, how crazy baseball can be. That’s what makes it great. VogelSTRONG.

Some crazy lady calls into KNBR and thinks Morse is slumping because he was on PED’s in the early going. Said Matt Kemp started to slump after Melky got busted. What a loon.

gary gaviota

Thank you Alex! The game story is in by the time some of these games end and this was a quickie. I didn’t make it home in time from the studio to catch the end but a win like this soothes some of my anxious nerves. Must be the heat of summer that has had some Giants fans like myself frustrated when the team has not been itself. Time to let it all play out and enjoy the kids and hopefully a string of success. I hope Peavy has a few of these Vogelsong type outings in him. Go Giants!

TheRealKetchUp

All the people who clowned Kevin Love for bailing on USA please line up in a single file line.

gary gaviota

Lucky you 🙂

carmot

Thanks Gary. Yeah, I was so lucky to be there to witness it. Very special. Thrilling and incredible. Cheers.

Eleuthero

Maybe less of a loon than you think.

Eleuthero

Go pick flowers come daylight.

Eleuthero

See, every word accepted. You’re such a drama king, MLB. 🙂

Eleuthero

Wow, who woulda thunk it would be Vogey that would end the drought of pitching?

carmot

Stockton Ports implosion in progress. One out. Delfino, Turner, Horan, Chuckie Jones (RBI) all singled. Payne HBP. 2014 draftee(!) C Jared Deacon took a BB for his 1st RBI in San Jose. Galindo grounds out and gets an RBI. 4 run inning just concluded.

Ben Turner had 10 hits in 6 games prior to last night’s game (0-3), incl 3 2B and 3 BB. He’s likely to stick at catcher, but also plays some 1B.

carmot

Good question. But, then. I wouldn’t EVER count Vogey out. Love his spirit and fight. Even when he doesn’t have his best stuff. But especially when he DOES!

TheRealKetchUp

Surprised you haven’t been banned, like ClutchUp has been.

TheRealKetchUp

Dan Haren doing his best Tim Lincecum impersonation.

Brownie

He’s done. I’m surprised that they didn’t get another pitcher

Moooooooooose

Looks like Chris Perez has come in to put out the fire against the Cubs. Of course, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease!

lolSabean

Really? to beat the Giants? Please. They won the west when Sabean didn’t make any blockbusters (not that I blame him) .

Brownie

Hope the Cubs don’t blow this lead

David D

From today’s WSJ: Red Sox on August 1 have 13 of 25 players from WS roster. In 2004 Marlins had 16 players on August 1. In 1998 Florida had only 7 players left. Giants have 18 players from 2012 WS team.

If you’re implying that’s a good thing, note the Marlins won 54 games in 1998, followed by 64, 79, 76, and 79 the next 4 years. They finally had another winning season in 2003, going 91-71. From 2004-2010 they won from 71-87 games and made exactly zero postseason appearances.
Is that the model you want to follow?

Vegas Giants Fan

I’ve said this more than a few times on here. Who’s afraid of a pennant race? I’m not. I’m old enough to remember the Giants finishing 2nd 5 years in a row in the 60’s. Also the dead stretch from 1972 – 1986 when there was only one season where the Giants were in it the last week of the season. (1982) And in 82′ the Giants were 13.5 GB on July 30. If the Cubs hold on tonight the Giants are 2.5 GB on Aug 1st. Have fun. I know I will.

Go Giants.

carmot

First game for Tyler Horan at SJ? So far has 2 singles, 2 walks, and 1 steal.

Had 22 2B, 15 HR, 54 RBI, and 9-4 SB rate in Augusta. 8th round 2013 pick. I’m starting to think there is more than just the need to fill holes, but a sort of internal notice to move kids faster sometimes- based on performance. Are (some) recent picks moving faster. Maybe less priority on the 2,000 plate appearances objective?

David D

Did you see me implying anything? Unlike many posters here, I’m not qualified to be a GM.

Moooooooooose

I said “If!”
And yes, I’d love to see what these guys could do. I could see a reality show idea – – Eleuthero and Honey BooBoo Take Over the Dodgers and their Unlimited Budget!

winebaroness27

not so fast …grasshopper…

JStreet

You said for me..

Vegas Giants Fan

Horan started the season strong, had a mild slump for about six weeks and has been hitting well since. Horan was one of the top hitters in the ACC last season and tied the HR record for the Cape Cod Leauge last year. Horan is 24 years old so staying at Augusta would not have a good thing for his prospects. Augusta, like Richmond, is a pitcher friendly park. (Augusta ranks 10th friendlist, Richmond 8th by Baseball America). An average of .275 with power is very good for Augusta. Augusta is the second hardest park to hit home runs in the minor leagues according to Baseball America and the Sally League ranks as the toughest league to hit HR’s. The Giants already moved Brandon Bednar to San Jose about a month ago. Giants Farm Director Shane Turner has said the Giants were going to be aggressive promoting players. Unfortunately, the Giants don’t have to many young hitters that deserve to move up. Maybe this new group of drafties will show some promise.

paul in p.v.

VGF is wise and remembers. Been there, dude. :o) snorkel

paul in p.v.

Took my laptop to a restaurant and watched the game (rudely) until the first hit – I thought he was on it. Studley. :o)

carmot

Thanks VGF. Some great info. I recall you shared the park stats comparison for all the parks in the past, that context is really essential.

You may recall this past winter I said I thought Ben Turner might not only be a REAL sleeper, but one of the most important prospects in our system. (Maybe not anymore w/ Garcia). Yeah, I’m crazy, right? He was ‘just another catcher’ without making any waves. Well, everything about him just has a special feel to me. Some of the metrics I look at, even from his 2013 told me he could be GOOD. He DID get an ST invite. You have any personal thoughts on him?

One total flier I WANT to succeed is Andrew Carignan. Not thinking he WILL. He’s a really good dude, throws hard, has stuff, but also walks a ton. Except for one exceptional season. Had TJS and some injuries. Former A’s reliever. I figure Strickland and maybe Hall are WAY ahead on the depth charts. A few others, too. Heck, maybe even Rosario- another I liked. Any thoughts? Cheers.

Vegas Giants Fan

I like Turner. He was a three time All-State baseball player in Missouri. Good plate discipline. 22 BB – 22 K’s in 316 PA. Not bad behind the plate. Needs to improve his SB rate (76 SB – 22 CS – 22%) Good OBP .350. Not a lot of power. Already 24. Will have to show well at Richmond next season. All in all, a nice player. I do prefer Hall and Strickland over Carignan.

Abreu played 3b for Fresno tonight. I guess some people never learn. It’s got to be tough to be a Grizzlies fan.

Night all.

P.S. de Grom is a good pitcher. Expect a tough game for the Giants tomorrow.

I am stunned his RBI total is so low. He’s mostly hit 5th or 6th, as high as 4th a few times IIRC ‘protecting’ Mac when he was playing, all the way down to 8th a couple times. Seems like he never has base runners for his AB’s. But then, he also hits a lot of singles that a runner on 1B can’t even take 3B (or score from 2B), if you know what I mean. Like tonight. And speedy guys like Galindo aren’t on base for him- diff part of the order.

You “like” and “nice” doesn’t feel like any sort of endorsement. Okay. Thanks for answering. Abreu, wow. Must be somebody he likes that works at the local diner or somethin’. Cheers.

Jersey Giant

Going with my son to Citi Field for Sat. night game. Looking forward to matchup with Peavy and de Grom

Vegas Giants Fan

It’s the age issue. Players that are 24 playing in A ball have a long hill to climb to make. If guys like Turner and Horan move up one level a season they’ll be 26 at Triple A. That does not bode well for them or anyone else that’s not a relief pitcher in the Giants system. Relievers seem to have a longer shelf life with the Giants, and other teams as well.

Eleuthero

Yeah, baby!!!! Gimme that $220M. The hell with the ball club. I’ll just busy Honey Boo Boo by constantly putting plates of mac and cheese in front of her. Gee, tanks Mooooooooooooooose.

Eleuthero

They’ll be cleaning house by-and-by. It’ll be excruciating. Huddy will top age 40. Some of the lumbago cases will grow permanent like Scoots. They’ll eventually start from the ground up but it’ll take a few years of non-success before they concede what’s real and what’s an illusion.

giantsfaninak

nice… I went to Shea once- I liked the park, the folks we’re really good to us & the subway went right there.. the area around it looked like east beruit !

pacman68

Where is Clutch Up? Is he okay?

Eleuthero

Apparently he’s taking a GE “vacation”.

pacman68

Did the Giants offense cause him to lose it? I hope not. I miss him.

pacman68

Nice to see the kids play. I would rather lose with our prospects than with Hicks, Uggla, Ocab ….looks like Bochy learned something from 2011.

Eleuthero

David, you’ll find many posters here think they “know” stuff they don’t really know. Scientists have to prove they know stuff. On sports blogs, if a guy is a scout or player, it’s supposed to negate any and all theories you might have. For example, I saw your post as simply noting that two WS teams dismantled themselves. There isn’t a whiff of an implication. Moooooose “created” your implication and then head-butted it. Not to worry. He’s a tad funny in the head if you catch my meaning.

giantsfaninak

Crawford get 3 hits after a day off.. might be a coincidence but I don’t think so

pacman68

I said it yesterday. Billy Beane is his own worst enemy. Can’t stop and all the good he does .. he eventually does something stupid. His trade will kill the A’s. Angels will win the division going away.

No WS for A’s.

giantsfaninak

yea man, let’s give him some

giantsfaninak

cespedes is a special player. I wouldn’t have swapped him for a once every 5 days rental. maybe something was going on that we don’t know

Walter Guest

When I was a kid I liked to play sandlot football, touch and tackle. I played from the age of about 9 until I went in the Air Force at 17. The best players on my older teams were always Italian kids whose mothers wouldn’t sign permission slips for them to play high school football. So they snuck in tackle sandlot football instead, which was far more dangerous. I played sandlot because I never had the grades to play in high school.

I played very little in my four Air Force years. When I got out I was surprised to find my old sandlot team was still going strong; they had uniforms and everything. I signed up immediately.

I played pretty good for one whole game at linebacker, but half way thru it I started wondering, ‘What in the hell am I doing out here?’ It was insanity; me hitting people; people hitting me; it was craziness.

I turned in my uniform and joined a semipro baseball team.

2holehitting

excellent pitched game by Vogelsong. Glad he got his first career 9 inning complete game. Not to many of those by any Giants pitchers with Bochy as the manager

Jersey Giant

Citi Field is a very nice ballpark…better than the new Yankee Stadium, which amazingly, most Yankee fans I know, agree.

DodgersMavericksCowboysMadrid

Special player batting .250 and last year .240 keep dreaming

Walter Guest

I don’t know what to make of this Giant team. If they win 9 of the next ten, it wouldn’t surprise me. If they lose 9 of the next 10, it wouldn’t surprise me. Anything can happen.

DrLefty

Or maybe Sabean did. I’ll believe Bochy learned something when a guy like that is on the roster but Joe Panik (or the equivalent) is still the starter.

DrLefty

I agree. Went to both last year when the Giants were there and liked Citi Field much better. Yankee Stadium is enormous and feels kind of sterile.

I actually get 19, but you have to count guys on the DL + Kontos in the minors. Oh, and you could even count Petit and Machi, who both pitched for the Giants during the 2012 regular season. That’s a lot of stability, really.

Also, now that some of the clutter has cleared, on the current 25-man roster, you also have homegrown Panik, Susac, Duffy, Parker, Perez, and Ishikawa. The only guys on the roster who were not on the 2012 team and/or homegrown are Morse, Hudson, Peavy, and Gutierrez.

Michael Scott

SF-4
avg. per team in NL so far- 3.

Michael Scott

Bochy is doing it as he always has. Lucky for us.

Michael Scott

He’s not banned but he may be ill.

Eleuthero

Truth is probably somewhere between Pacman’s opinion and yours. His batting average is only .256 but he’s on pace for 100 RBI. The A’s are 10th in team BA in the AL but 1st in runs scored. Maybe they want multi-year stability in their pitching rotation which has had a tendency to be highly variable year to year. He’s a very good player but the A’s now have an absolutely killer staff. Somebody will be proved right.

DrLefty

2 by Hudson, 1 by Vogey, 1 (no-no) by Lincecum. Yay for the old guys! Notable absence: Bumgarner, who turned 25 yesterday.

DrLefty

You can’t always go by batting average. Remember, this is the guy who won the last Home Run Derbies. He’s also a real sparkplug and a great postseason performer.

Uribe had a low batting average in 2010 with lots of strikeouts, but he also had 24 homers, and they always seemed to come in huge situations. He was a hero in the playoffs and solid defensively. Cespedes is one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball.

I agree with Pac. Beane may have overplayed his hand on this one.

carmot

I got no issue with that.
Bumgarner has a combined 0.00 ERA in two World Series combined. 15.0 IP, 14 SO to 4 BB in total. Pitched at the young ages of 20 and 22 respectively. He can tally his first CG anytime, maybe our next WS run. Sweet!

DrLefty

Lester doesn’t provide any multi-year stability, though. He’s a rental, and there’s no way the A’s are signing him long-term. He’s not in their price range.

Apparently they had already decided they were trading Cespedes after this season no matter what, so it was rental Cespedes for rental Lester. Time will tell if it was a good decision or not.

Just noted on Twitter: The A’s have the best record in baseball and the smallest division lead. The Angels have a nine-game lead in the wild card, so either team is likely to make at least the wild card game.

Dave Amoroso

love vogelsong, not just because of last night…he is really a “gamer”…fights hard all the time…i hope they keep him for next year, not only as a starter but also in the bulllpen.i think he’d really be good out there……

DrLefty

He’s taking a break. Nothing new on the health front.

carmot

The “I’m a total outsider” from the other night? That made accusations of me being confrontational and then, as only he would… Try to qualify whether anybody knows anything about baseball by asking if I ever even played and where. Same that, ironically, decided to stir things by posting that one poster was responsible for 20% of all posts. That, also quite coincidentally, just happened to e-mail me again last night one hour after the “total outsider” was here.

Honestly, I hope he’s alright. And heals up. Being ill sucks.

Eleuthero

No doubt the A’s are going to the playoffs. Maybe the A’s decided that since Cespedes was heading to his highest RBI season this year his trade value was peaking. He is somewhat injury prone. No doubt this trade has higher controversy than the other A’s trades. If the A’s don’t win the pennant (at least) then it may well backfire on Beane.

Way to go Vogeltron! A fantastic performance. As I was watching the first inning I said to myself: “He looks ON tonight!”. He was on a mission and it was a very impressive performance. Now if the Giants could play over 500 at HOME, now we would be talking!!!

Agreed! This has to be the strangest Giants team in a long time… Certainly since the post-Bonds era.

Peter Johnson

Hudson had only 1 in loss to Pitt in loss on video review, was 1 out short of going 9 innings, he was also lifted 1 out short of going 9 vs SD after giving up HR. Bumgarner went the full distance against at Colorado but lost so it was only 8 innings.

Bapah

You’re hopeless. You command no respect here from me and many others. I know for sure he hasn’t posted recently. Give it a rest, Mr. Know-it-all.

DrLefty

Right–I just noticed that on his BBRef page. I think I gave that CG by Bum to Hudson. So in two of the four CGs, the Giants lost. Hudson is officially credited with that CG in Pittsburgh since it was a walk-off. He pitched all the possible outs!

Peter Johnson

The Giants biggest problem is they are only 1 game over .500 vs NL West, the Dodgers are 14 games over .500 vs NL West, even last year the Giants dominated the NL West.

DrLefty

They have to fight off the Angels to win the division. They might be able to do that with their superior pitching, especially as Tyler Skaggs is injured and could be headed for Tommy John.

Then they have to get through the Tigers’ Murderers Row of Scherzer, Price, Verlander, and Sanchez to win the pennant. And that’s where Billy may have outsmarted himself. You need SOME hitting to match up against that elite rotation. And the Tigers have shored up their two biggest weaknesses from last year, their defense and their bullpen.

Billy went all in by trading three top prospects for Samardzija. Then, having done that, he felt like he had to go further in by getting Lester. The first move is the one with the long-term implications, and it was the first move that led to the second.

Michael Scott

*Good start from Peavy and a win and some who just bailed will be trying to get back on board. Step on their fingers.
*Fun gag- The Amazing Man with Two Heads- Pablo and Matt fit into one uniform
*Yungo opted out of his Boston contract and is a FA again. Stop pummeling me with you figurative fists- I’m not recommending him. Yet.
* I told ya- Duffy’s Dad got himself a 1 million loan with Matt as collateral. And you don’t mess with Dom the Enforcer, One late payment, and there’s no place for Matt to hide.
* Parker looks to get his first start tonight. Don’t waste any time on that first hit, if Pagan doesn’t suffer his 26th setback, you’re back down soon.
*Possible waiver wire deals : rules are here: http://tomahawktake.com/2014/08/01/waiver-trading-everything-need-know/
*Stop laughing: LaTroy Hawkins
*Bartolo Colon- he’s 54 YO, fat, and owed 11 million in 2015. In other words- PERFECT!
* Aaron Hill- 12 mill per for ’15 and ’16-won’t happen
*Daniel Murphy- maybe the best chance, reasonable contract. Maybe a little young, won’t be 30 until next year
*Papelbon- we can use him as a 13 million dollar piñata
* Bastardo-I’m surprised I got that through the censors

DrLefty

Most of that Dodgers’ record is beating up on the Dbacks (11-3), though, and they’re almost done with their games against Arizona. They haven’t done nearly as well against the other NL West teams.

DrLefty

I think Parker goes back down when Angel is back no matter what. He hits lefty, and they already have Blanco. I’m a little surprised they bothered with cutting Colvin just a few days before Angel is scheduled to return.

I assume Ishikawa is gone when Belt returns. Duffy and Panik have to stay awhile. The two of them and Arias–there is no one else until Adrianza is healthy. But I did see that Abreu played for Fresno last night. That was quick.

Michael Scott

The old Yankee Stadium was truly the best ever, IMO. In ’65 Ruth and Gehrig still lived there.

Sidewinder

Thank you for continuing the minor league reporting. Although, it seems like a good handful of the prospects are with the parent club or just got traded. I do believe the age and relative strength of the players in the Sally effects the number of balls that leave the yard… not that there aren’t some big yards that lack carry.

Peter Johnson

The 3 games the Giants bullpen lost at Home vs Rockies were the turning point of the Season so far, looks like C. Gonzales got hurt again, and Goldschmidt might be hurt too for Arizona .

paul in p.v.

Now that you mention it – Colvin’s axing seems completely unnecessary. Parker is his clone. Either they wanted company for Duffy – or for Uggla. Strange.

carmot

That’s what you come on to contribute this morning? This? Nothing about any discussion people here are holding regarding the Giants, or baseball in general in this community? Not a single other post could draw your attention enough to share a thought or insight?

I don’t understand what kind of thing I do that so upsets you or the people you seem to represent, as you speak of. It’s a Giants blog. I comment. Others do too. It’s open to all to do so. Everybody is welcome to share their comments, right? Even you, I actually respect that.

There are a lot of knowledgeable Giants fans that I like to read opinions and insight from here. And sometimes carry a discussion with. I’m not even saying that isn’t or hasn’t been you, or ClutchUp, or any other. I don’t hold anything personal. You don’t KNOW me. What is it you and others seem to hold so personally against me? If I “knew-it-all” I wouldn’t visit to ask opinions of someone like VGF or others. Or learn from so many here. I’m not welcome to do so? You are a few others are decreeing this towards me, specifally?

Yeah. Since you know for sure. I’m sure you’re sure you’re right. This doesn’t sound at all like ClutchUp. Some random lurker decided to make their first post to tell me I come across as confrontational. Then confront me, by asking me to qualify if I played or coached. Nah, I’m wrong. I must be. Because you’re sure you’re right.

As a total outsider, you do come off as a little confrontational and as
an authority on baseball activities. Where did you play? Did you coach?
Just curious.

Michael Scott

I think that Travis knew the deal when he came up. Probably be back in September and retire as a Giant after the season. One of the very cool things Bochy has done: Ishi and Nate were big contributors as role players in 2010 and were rewarded with a start in the World Series.

I disagree. Lots of good stuff from Carmot, especially lately. Like your posts as well, Bapah. Sometimes we need to remember that it’s OK to agree to disagree and move on to the next subject.

DrLefty

But it does start his 40-man/options clock. They probably had to make that decision about him after this season, anyway. I don’t object to it, either. I just think it’s a bit curious given the timing.

Bapah

Another marathon post. I must be totally wrong about you.

carmot

You’re joking about Duffy’s dad, right? lol. It wouldn’t seem crazy to get Murphy. I was surprised he wasn’t traded. I watched last night’s game w/ a friend who is a Mets fan. We talked a bunch about this. I showed him this article, he only knew two of the names. But they’ve got 4 serious middle infield prospects at the ready. And they still have Josh Satin too.

Amazing, IIRC, there are only 5 position FAs under 30- Pablo is the only 28 year-old. Rasmus, Colvin, Delmon Young, and Asdrubal Cabrera.

totalfan62

Good stuff Carmot & VGF. Thanks. VGF: how’s Dad doing ?

DrLefty

And the Dbacks traded Prado and Parra this week. They’re even less scary than they have been.

Definitely those three late-inning home losses against the Rockies were gut-punches that I’m not sure they’ve ever really recovered from. Also ended up losing Romo his closer job and probably millions of dollars on the free agent market.

Michael Scott

Uh, you didn’t like the old girl? I thought it was awesome. But then, I don’t have much problem with the living dead. They’re slow and easy to knock down.

JStreet

Great game yesterday. Now for today, got to get up and do again, my friend.
Was very proud of Voglesong’s grit and determination. Wait. – aren’t those pretty much the same thing? Anyway, he did good. Now the other guys need to keep it moving.
Morse showing signs of life. He does appear to enjoy himself, which is nice.

Say, I don’t check in that often. For one I’m usually not awake when others are “having coffee”. But it’s a good discussion. So thanks.
Missing is Foothills, and Clutch. Buehler? Anyone?

GSDUbs

Papelbon…everyone hates his peripherals and his lost velocity. He just happens to be having a very good year.I’ll take that.

Michael Scott

Yeah, I was joking about him, again. He did kinda look like they got him propped up for the occasion, (kidding again). It’s his fault.

carmot

Hmmm, maybe. I do recognize a point as quite interesting. As much as some of “us” Giants fans (myself included) can accuse Bochy/Sabean of being intolerant of young prospects and going out to buy aged vets… And not give chances and such… Ishi came back into the farm.

Does he think he’s “one of our guys” still? I would doubt it. Maybe, *just maybe* players actually feel he’s fair. Fairer than “we” (or, I’ll just say for myself- not speaking for others) think he is. I think Ishikawa believed if he played well, he’d have just as good a chance to be rewarded as any other club that might’ve signed him. That bodes well, for everybody.

DrLefty

Clutch has been out all week. He’s taking a break. Footy’s been around. Maybe just busy right now.

I loved Vogelsong’s effort last night. A nice final birthday present for moi. Everyone knows I adore Lincecum, but Vogelsong is #2 on that list. I love everything about that guy and always have. I’m glad he came back and I’m glad he’s having a pretty good year. He really is. And I love that he got that complete game he’d never had–at age 37!

paul in p.v.

Not much but I was a kid, and Giants/Red Sox fan.

DrLefty

“A very good year” except for those two games in a row we got to him in Philly. I’ll take that, too. 🙂

carmot

Thanks TF62. I can appreciate the disagreements, that are civil. Those are sometimes what I can learn the most from. When others share opposing viewpoints. Like my take was different about getting Alex Rios, before reading another take here. Cheers.

Michael Scott

There’s no way he thought he’d stay after Belt returned, IMO. I hope he does stay somehow, he’s one of my favorites. Just don’t see the numbers working for him.

paul in p.v.

He was throwing BB’s on the knees. Had to take my laptop to the restaurant after the 6th, just in case he kept it going.

The flaco kid Duffy sure seemed composed. Nice to see all those hits! :o)

DrLefty

He looked good in the field, too, especially since he hasn’t played much 2B. Great leaping catch and good turn and throw on the DP.

But sheesh, take that kid out for some good meals in Manhattan. My goodness, he’s skinny. Seems genetic because his dad (whom he looks just like) appeared very thin, too.

GSDUbs

Touche…he has a sort of Dibble-esque quality/persona about him. Easy to not like. Somehow, apparently,, he’s persevering in Philly with that fan base. They havent booed him out of town – yet.

carmot

Sorry, must’ve missed the first time on the joke. I once tried to get a (Pedro) “Who’s your daddy?” chant going when I was sitting in sec 104-ish and he was warming up. Didn’t take, oh well.

I can’t believe Renel actually announced Brain Schlitter when he came in. It’s a family ballpark and all…

Michael Scott

My comment is correct. In any case. your comment about Bochy and CGs was wrongo.

carmot

But he re-signed. That was way before Belt’s recent injury. I like him too. Agreed, numbers don’t work.

totalfan62

Loved the comment “he looks like a parallel universe version of Timmy, playing 2B”. He really does have that look, right down to the baggy uni.

paul in p.v.

Too bad your boy Haren got lit up last night. You were right about him.

Michael Scott

I asked Alex about the re-signing ( a minor league deal, of course). According to Alex it was for depth in case more injuries occurred. That came to be the case.

GSDUbs

Rusney Castillo signing soon. A perfect fit .I know this must be the move you had in mind in lieu of a deadline deal, right Sabes?

carmot

That had made me think of some of the more curious records this season (not our bad ones). Not sure I’m accurate (help?) and there were a couple others I’m not recalling…

First ever HR hit off a Kershaw curve
Most runs scored vs. Cliff Lee in a start
Papelbon’s first HR of the season

Nathan Eovaldi’s highest ERA vs. team: Giants?

DrLefty

Haren’s a good pitcher except when he’s not. He’s had trouble putting a whole good season together. Last year on the Nats he was awful in the first half and much better in the second half.

carmot

Yeah. Thanks. We knew it was for depth, not to start. I guess my point is maybe I’m too harsh against Sabes/Boch on this. A former Giant has seen how players are treated, and he CHOSE to come back. That speaks more about “knowledge” than whatever I can conclude on my own.

winebaroness27

Don’t know about Sabean, but that’s the move I had in mind…
Athletic CF’er that you don’t have to give up anything for…
gosh I hope so…

Vegas Giants Fan

I’ll know better Monday. Thank you for asking.

carmot

I’m still not digging him all that much. If we can sign him cheap enough, sure. But he’s not a guy I go crazy for signing at $30M. Apparently scouts had to adjust their ratings. He’s put on about 15 “good” pounds of muscle. Driving the ball a bit better. But used a HR Derby swing in workouts, in games he’s still not a big power hitter. We’ll see. I’m glad we grabbed Carbonell, he’s a good long shot to bet on, *especially* at his price.

winebaroness27

Maybe Ishikawa is not gone when Belt and Pagan come back..

Maybe it’s Panik and Parker….both need to play everyday..and i think Duffy is going to stay.

Wouldn’t you rather have Ish as a bat off the bench than Panik??

Michael Scott

He was even ornery after the game. Is it real? I think so.

carmot

Comps I read originally were Ellsbury, Lofton, and Gardner. Latest was more like Rajai Davis.

Nate’sFanMom

Nice game by Vogey. If he and Timmy can put on an ace performace from here on, it’ll be fun. And baseball is all about having fun.

JStreet

Thanks for the update, Dr. And a belated but no less sincere “Felix Navidad”, er Happy Birthday. (That was a disfunction of Autocorrect, which is sometimes amusing, so I left it in).
Well, Foothills greetings to you too, and hope those hills aren’t to warm for your critters and your crops.
Clutch – get well soon.

Felix Navidad – almost sounds like a new bonus baby (remember that term?) signing.

Nate’sFanMom

The team is thin on middle infielders and deep in players who can play 1B.

Ishi goes back down.

carmot

I give him credit. Tough to keep the smirk off his face coming to his first AB. His turn was solid, using his strong arm. But, really. He will still improve on his transfer speed for that play. As you say, he’s new to the keystone. Rather than nitpick the transfer, I bring it up only because he’s new there and will only get (even) better. His defense is slick… Duffy is a keeper. IMO, more than Panik or Adrianza right now.

GSDUbs

Brett Gardner with power. Has there been a high profile Cuban signee who has disappointed?

carmot

Part of the culture of in-fighting I think in L.A. I’ll bet Lee and Fife are thinking “I could pitch better than a 4.75 ERA in the Bigs right now.” For our sake, let’s hope he doesn’t find it this second half.

GSDUbs

Also developing as a middle infield option.

carmot

? Gardner has a bit of power. Scouts seem to say Castillo won’t. Rusney tried to impress them, by using long, loopy, HR Derby swings in BP. But in games has a not-great (unbalanced) slappy swing.

I thought the 20 percent might have been you know whooooooooooooooooo….

carmot

No, sorry. The scouts practically were quoted as saying, “Oh, that’s so CUTE. He wants to show us he can play the infield, too.” He won’t be. This isn’t my opinion, I’m relaying theirs.

carmot

Maybe. I’m not hating on anyone.

If ClutchUp is reading? I’m over the silliness. Dude. Get well. Cheers.

Michael Scott

He would have more than one move in mind.

Doughnut

A’s are going to steamroll that division. Win it going away

Moooooooooose

You’re going to stay pretty busy keeping up with the 2hole’s wrongisms!

Moooooooooose

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Lester makes his first start for the A’s and sees them drop into a tie?!

Moooooooooose

“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.” – I can’t remember who said that.

carmot

Anybody find it curious that Jose De Paula was released? Maybe Tidrow sees something he doesn’t like. I have no idea. But, God forbid anything happens to another starter… Who we got? I’d say give Heston a shot. 2012 Baseball America AA Pitcher of the year and 2012 Eastern League Pitcher of the Year. I guess Kickham, he’s been pretty awesome of late. Who else? Are we back to no depth for our rotation?

Moooooooooose

Awww, did poor little Ele get his little feelings hurt?

TheRealKetchUp

Y Petit to the rescue.

Michael Scott

It seems like every move they make is questioned.
“Maybe Tidrow sees something he doesn’t like.” That would be a good reason.

Surf Maui

I was at the game, but I saw the replay. On TV he failed to keep the smirk off his face– cool. thats the only thing he failed at last night. but its only one gane and way too early to compare him to Adrianza or Panik. After all Panik was the golden boy after two hits against Arizona a month ago

I checked out the schedules of all the NL playoff contenders, and the Giants and Dodgers have by far the easiest. The Dodgers after this weekend have a tough schedule for 2 weeks , then after the 17th besides the Giants they play 1 series with a team over .500 for the rest of the Season, a 3 game series vs the Nats at LA . The Giants after the 17th besides the Dodgers have a 3 game series @ the Nats, a 3 game series vs the Brewers, and a 3 game series @ the Tigers. I think the Giants need to be in the lead in the NL west by August 18th, are they will be playing for a shot at a 1 game Wild Card game at best.

DrLefty

They need to stay one game behind the Dodgers until Sept. 1.

TheRealKetchUp

Before the second half started I posted that the Giants had the easiest schedule in terms of opponents winning percentage.

DrLefty

Doesn’t Lee have like a 5 ERA in AAA? They do have Maholm right there, though.

Michael Scott

Congrats, you passed elementary school math.

carmot

I’m not basing this on his night. Even if he goes 1-for-18, I still think he’s the better one right now. I thought that even BEFORE the game, he can be our 2B starter for 2015. I’ve not thought that highly of Panik, he’s a guy I need to find some convincing for. Adrianza I’ve seen some good, but not enough to know if it’s anything real- or not. YMMV.

DrLefty

They also scored the most runs off Samardzija (to that date of the season) and stomped all over Wainwright in St. Louis. Oh, and Huston Street’s first blown save of 2014. I was at Petco for that one.

chuk

The other team looked like the AAA team for a change.

chuk

And you flunked ‘finishing’ school.

DrLefty

What NFM said. Panik and Duffy (and Arias) are it at 2B and utility infielder until Adrianza’s back. Panik’s a lefty and will get more starts than Duffy unless Duffy forces the issue. If I’m Bochy I’m happy platooning them for now as they both get acclimated to the majors.

Michael Scott

Probably the biggest stumbling blocks in the stretch drive are the also rans.

TheRealKetchUp

Pretty early on a Saturday for the snark

Peter Johnson

The Brewers, Pirates, and the Braves seem to have the toughest schedules left, and the Pirates also play two series with Red Sox, who are under .500 , but may be better hitting team with trades , but no pitching.

carmot

I, also, had a post. I introduced a statement (Gregor had several grounders back to pitcher) for context to a question. “Is this a game plan?” I didn’t mean any implication. No negative connotation. Mooooose got on me too. I was sincere in wondering if any others saw it this way. Maybe they are reducing his swing. That’s all. Oh well. Cheers.

Surf Maui

as the last 8 weeks proved, it doesnt matter who you are playing you have to pile up from 88- 90 wins. This means going at least 29-24 the rest of the way. Cant count on beating lousy teams or assume losing to good teams. When we were 42-21 everyone was saying that all we needed to do was play 500 the rest of the way. and everyone was assuming that that would just happen.

Peter Johnson

That is the problem, but if they do not win those games they do not deserve to be in playoffs .

Michael Scott

You’re sure he wasn’t faking it?

GSDUbs

Well, of course…he pitched for the Giants. Once burned, twice shy?

TheRealKetchUp

If the Giants don’t find a way to begin winning at home, none of this really matters.

carmot

Yeah, thanks. Knew I could count on you (if you replied). Street’s blown save was the one I was trying to recall. The others you note are good ones too! lol, A’s newest toy got played.

I think I was most shocked by Lee. Most runs given up in a start in his career or something like that? Long and awesome career. Dang. That’s something.

TheRealKetchUp

The cancer or the death?

Michael Scott

My point wasn’t just about the Giants. And Maui is right;
“Cant count on beating lousy teams or assume losing to good teams”

GSDUbs

Ok, but that’s a bit out of context.

Doughnut

Yeah I didn’t understand that one very much at all. Wonder if they had a trade in the works that fell through. JSeems like Colvin a better option off the bench

carmot

Yeah, I wonder if Lee is fizzling. No motivation. Seeing how they keep bringing guys in. He’s not a #2 arm, but he should be able to at least be serviceable. Kinda like Haren. And IIRC, Onelki Garcia is out for the year. But they were trying to stretch him into a starter. Yeah, Maholm.

Surf Maui

Maholm was hurt last night

Surf Maui

As was Gonzo and Puig. All three left the game

Moooooooooose

If they win enough games, they belong. It doesn’t matter which ones they win.

carmot

Yeah, the Cubs were pretty good last night.
OH! Yeah, the Mets were pretty gettable. But (mostly) good play by the Giants sure helps.

Michael Scott

Really, just be quiet. You have zero credibility when you have nothing but negative comments on the team you claim to root for

Surf Maui

For a change catsup is correct

carmot

This is what I wished for last year. Play some kids. It does start his clock. But at least we can assess him vs. MLB talent. That’s value right there, even if he shows us he’s not ready. But the opportunity is there for him to prove he is. That’s what I appreciate. The chance.

Michael Scott

Which doesn’t negate my comment at all.

Peter Johnson

That is true, and if they play like they have the past almost 2 months at home, they have no chance to make playoffs, but hopefully with better health and a little luck they can take advantage of an easy schedule and make the playoffs.

Michael Scott

Either or.

carmot

I sorted out in my head whether I’d lay a bet on MIL before the season began. To win the NL Central paid 70/1. After deliberating a long while, it wasn’t about whether I believed they could. I also don’t bet. Pretty much never. But I loved those odds and felt they had a great chance to get there. It was about their tough schedule.

TheRealKetchUp

I think it’s time for you to follow in Matthew’s and ClutchUp’s footsteps and take a break from here. You are being a real as hole today.

Surf Maui

Agreed, and it is still true– if they get back to .500 for the rest of the season (50-49 post June 8– which will require going 92-70 the rest of the way) they will wind up at 93-69 and win the west and my bet

carmot

I’ve said I believe it will be clear, based on where we’re at when we head to WAS on 8/22. Now is our time. LAD have their tough stretch right now, it’s like 22 consecutive game days. And mostly tough opponents. Aren’t LAD facing STL for a 4-gamer too?

carmot

I guess. Then it requires Kontos as our long man? I don’t want to see Gutierrez stretched out. Well, I kinda just don’t want to see him. Even though he’s been alright to pretty good.

Michael Scott

I misspoke, all one needs is to look at one of the several sites listing strength of schedule for remaining games.

Surf Maui

On the Dodger broadcast last night, Vin Scully was talking about how the Dodgers arranged their rotation so that the three top line starters could face the Giants and that though it paid off in that series it was now coming back to haunt them this weekend against the Cubs. He was also speculating that based on Haren’s performance of late he would be replaced in the rotation by Maholm– that is until Malholm left the game with a leg injury a few minutes later.

For my money I think that Bochey played it correctly and probably winds up with at least one extra start by Bum and Hudson over the course of the season, and as I have said elsewhere, a win is a win– though it is certainly nice to couple it with a Dodger loss

Peter Johnson

As long as the Cardinals do not make playoffs , I will be happy, experts loved them I thought they made bad off season moves, and young talent was over rated. I also can not stand the GM, every time I see him on TV with is bow tie, glasses, and smirk on his face, he did not even tell his players they were traded, they found out on own.

MLBSF

Looks like I’m here just in time for Michael Scott’s daily morning meltdown. smh
Looks like ClutchUp’s incarceration in the Giants Extra jail is starting to take a toll.

Speaking of meltdowns and ClutchUp and Foothills Ryan who are all huge A’s fans….how bout those Oakland Athletics?

Scully’s take pretty much mirrors the take of many of us at this blog.

carmot

I was wondering how much a different manager matters for things like stolen base rates. Total, caught stealings based upon when he’s sent and situational stuff. Emilio Bonifacio had his best SB season with that guy at the helm in Miami. Does it mean anything at all? Probably not.

But just maybe, he was running… to get away from the dugout.

Michael Scott

Look out below, Millibug up from it’s hole.

avwh

Oregon Coast landscapes (which means, with just a couple exceptions, these were images worthy of capturing, but I don’t have a specific ID/location :)):

To be honest camot I never know what you’re talking about.
But you’re entertaining enough. (Not this morning though)

carmot

Huh, okay. Fair enough. I don’t have any I hold personal against them. I certainly was wrong about Kolten Wong. I thought he’d be better than he’s shown so far. I’ve heard them saying Oscar Tavares is practically the next great thing since Pujols. OMG. Ha ha. I think not. But could be wrong again.

Kinda interesting. 11% of division win, 67% chance of making it in overall. It probably goes against all math, but I’d figure our odds of winning the division are higher AND overall odds lower. It seems much more all or nothing to me.

Michael Scott

As of now, the projection is that we will face the Cards in the WC game.

South City Jim

Does seem strange that Bums have 37% chance of winning the division, Giants have 11% and other three teams are less than 1%. What happened to the other 50%?

Michael Scott

Playing young guys is not a concession that Sabean has given up on this year.

carmot

I am clueless. I’ve never looked at one of these before. The division winners stuff is confusing to me.

I’ve always created my own to assess strength of schedule, once the MLB schedules are released in September. Then, I go through each of them. Factor what I want and think important. Come up with more numbers, from lots of other numbers.

Bottom line: we’re expected to make the playoffs as least a WC. Except by the “realists” here.

Peter Johnson

That 11% is not for just winning Division, it means they also have best record in NL.

Peter Johnson

No it is pretty simple, Division #1 means=Division winner with best record in NL, Division #2 = Division with 2nd best winning% among Division winners, Division#3= worse winning % among the 3 NL Division winners.

South City Jim

Thanks. I didn’t spend enough time analyzing it.

carmot

Shouldn’t it read as “National League Winner” instead. For the NL West, it wouldn’t list MIL and PIT and others for “Division.” And LAD’s 37% would self-exclude some of the11% of SF, since the total of ALL the NL teams (not just NL West) are listed (to total 100%). I’m confused, that’s all. Oh well, I’ll drop it now.

Prefer to make my own and know what factors determine the results. Don’t know what stats they use to create theirs anyways.

Hardly surprising–except to the doomsayers. Although Cincy and Miami can not written off entirely at this point, there ate essentially 7 teams fighting for 5 spots and in the central dividion three teams will be playing each other a lot making it difficult for one of them to make a huge run without eliminating the others.

carmot

That’s cool, thanks. I wouldn’t have seen that. I love how they are like a brotherhood. I remember Mac tweeting something this spring, like, “excited to get back. All those experts saying the Giants farm is weak? I think we won 4 of our 6 division championships.” Tell ’em Mac! And heal up guys.

totalfan62

Over the top, guys. Really. Most likely the reason some posters are off the blog for a while is your offensive behavior. Troll away–it’s what you do, but show some respect.

TheRealKetchUp

So it OK’s for ClutchUp and Bapah to say I’m in prison and post only when I get released for yard, but if I return the favor, it’s over the top?

Michael Scott

I’ve helped start a baseball discussion that Giants’ fans are enjoying. Scram or contribute something other than your usual crap.

TheRealKetchUp

@AdamSchefter: 49ers DT Glenn Dorsey is out for the year with a torn bicep, per source.

Ouch. He played well last year.

Michael Scott

I don’t do snark. I educate with a flair.

South City Jim

Thanks. NL West only division that has three teams with none chance…according to the odds.

Michael Scott

“NL West only division that has three teams with none chance…’
Seems right.

South City Jim

The way I see it, the key to the Giants possibly winning the West comes down to Peavy and Lincecum. Giants will not out pitch the Dodgers top three but Bum, Hudson and Vogey can hold their own. Yes, I put Vogey in the top 3. However Beckett and Haren are ripe for the taking if the Giants can win the majority of Peavy and Lincecum starts down the stretch.

Peter Johnson

They are going to be average at best this year, Secondary not very good, Bowman out at least half the season, Aldon Smith Susp maybe 6 games, Defensive line old, Gore getting old, Hunter out for the year. Kaep can not read defenses ,on KNBR Kevin Lynch said in passing drill he was so bad, that he tried to break net he could not throw ball in during the drill

paul in p.v.

‘Scram’ is nice and Anglo-Saxon.

South City Jim

Kaep’s not going to slice and dice defenses with a ball control offense like Joe, Steve and the Snake used to do. If he’s successful, it will be his legs and his cannon arm out throwing coverage. Maybe down the road he’ll morph into that type of player but he’s a few years away.

BALDHEADSLIK1

Millibug, ha thats funny when u guys throw out nicknames like that

avwh

Man, they’ve got a lot of injuries before preseason even starts.

Niners better get more help from this last draft class than they got from the one or two before, if they’re going to contend again.

channelclemente

Funny, I think Lefty and I talked about Lincecum and Cain to a lesser degree pre season, but now it’s the Cain surrogate Peavy and Lincecum. Who would have seen the Horse coming up lame in April.

paul in p.v.

Great point – it’s an uphill battle on a playing field pitched against us – imagine if the diggers had gotten Price or Lester.

Today’s game might give us a clue regarding Peavy’s usefulness down the stretch. Vamos Gigantes!

South City Jim

Yep. Also would help to get Pagan and Belt back. For this year I’ve written off Scutaro and Cain.

South City Jim

Giants need to mop up on the Mets because I have little confidence against the Brew Crew in Milwaukee.

BALDHEADSLIK1

I remember that guy in the 90’s when the Braves were on television every single night on TBS, RIP Pete VW

avwh

I’ve got more hope that Belt can help, because his injuries have been freakish, not chronic, like Pagan’s.

Agree that Cain and Scutaro are not going to contribute the rest of the year.

DrLefty

When they do get Pagan and Belt back–which is now a “when” and not an “if”–that’s a real major league line-up, even without Scutaro: Pagan, Pence, Belt, Posey, Sandoval, Morse, and Crawford. We can handle a rookie platoon at 2B.

And yes, I know 2hole will remind us that both Brandons are worthless and I know that many/most of those guys are streaky. Still, it’s a heck of a lot better than what they’ve been running out there the last couple months.

TheRealKetchUp

Ok you do what you do and I’ll do what I do.

channelclemente

Interesting game between the Cubs and Dodgers last night. Cubs drubbed the Blew Crew 8-2 (thx 2-hole). What was interesting the approach Kyle Hendricksen used. He’s a 90-92 mph sinkerball pitcher, not a flame thrower at all. He busted them inside under the chin all evening, and ran them off the plate. The way they bailed you’d think it was a 98 mph FB they were bailing on. It dawned on me that the Dodgers are, almost to a man, either chicken or so thin they figure one serious injury ends their season’s chances. Puig pulled his hamstring during a disputed call at the plate, and may be day to day, as well. When the Giants next see them, they might consider being aggressive with the high inside FB, because aside from Greinke, the Bums seem to be running very cautious.

DrLefty

Literally ouch. I’ve had a bicep tear myself (I’m sure his is worse)–and it hurt like hell, froze my shoulder up, and took years to get over. Poor guy and poor Niners.

South City Jim

Agree. I’m sure if you took a poll of opposing pitchers, they’d much rather face the Giants without Pagan and Belt in the LU.

BALDHEADSLIK1

Cliffy Lee faking an injury because he is tired of pitching in Phila??

DrLefty

I saw a Tweet this morning that he was going on a workout with Mac. It sounded like a Camelback Mountain outside workout. I’m glad they have each other. It’s got to be tough to be a young guy away from home and away from your team rehabbing from a serious injury for months on end.

I also think it’s cool how thrilled they are for other minor leaguers getting called up–they were at Panik’s first game in Arizona and watched Duffy’s debut together. Mac and Derek were rising names in the organization and now they’re on the back burner for awhile. It speaks well for them that they still can root for their peers. I’m looking forward to seeing both of them back in the future.

BALDHEADSLIK1

The skinny goofy nerdy type players are the ones i really like to watch play, gritty and determined to succeed at all costs.Kind of like the Eric Sogard or D Pedroia

DrLefty

Maholm is out for the season with a torn ACL sustained while covering first last night.

BALDHEADSLIK1

I agree

channelclemente

What scares them is what’s left after the surgery.

South City Jim

True. Also, I don’t think the starting eight position players were very interested in getting hurt in a dog of a game with Haren starting, followed by Perez, Malholm and Wilson. Combined that’s a 5+ ERA. I think Mattingly saw the handwriting on the wall early and figured he wasn’t going to burn any of his top relievers in a sure loss.

Moooooooooose

What a stupid play by pig, getting thrown out on a play like that when they were down by 7. Of course, he’s special, so they let him be safe. Didn’t want to hurt his feelings.

channelclemente

Last night DTT started the subs in in the 7th not wanting to expose them to injury.

Moooooooooose

Those are his top relievers!! the only one he didn’t use was Howell. Jansen doesn’t count because it wasn’t a save situation.

BALDHEADSLIK1

Pagan is very busy in the mirror getting that beard tapered just right so we may not see him for 2 more weeks.

channelclemente

He was called safe on the replay I believe because the camera angle couldn’t pick up what was clearly a tag. Besides, Puig, stupid, come on, say it ain’t so.

South City Jim

He was safe. I don’t blame Puig. what’s he going to do, stay at 3B so he can have a bird’s eye view of Crawford striking out for the third out? What’s up with Ethier…is he hurt?

channelclemente

You have a point about Crawford, but he hit them a HR last night. What’s up with Ethier…only Jobu knows for sure. He ought to be platooning somewhere.

MLBSF

LOL @ getting Pagan back.
Too funny that even Lefty is buying into the propaganda that Pagan will be healthy. smh

MLBSF

We should rename the 49ers the San Francisco 49Boguts

I’ve never seen anything like it. smh

channelclemente

So he did go down, even though he walked off. It’ll be interesting what they try to do off the waiver wire about bullpen help with the Giants, perhaps, upstream of them.

South City Jim

You must be thinking of someone else. I caught the end of the game and Crawford grounded out on a 2-0 pitch and Vin said that Crawford’s miserable night continues.

Michael Scott

He’s not going to give you a straight answer just as that wasn’t a real answer. He’s mocking Petit.

channelclemente

I came in during the 4th or 5th, but I thought the Cubs announcers said Crawford hit a HR to give the Bums their first run.

South City Jim

Nope, I just checked…0-4.

paul in p.v.

0-for-4 with a K. However, it’s highly likely the Cubs announcers DID say that. ;o)

channelclemente

Poor Crawford, no arm and no bat. Who hit the HR for them, I wonder?

South City Jim

No homers. Only RBI was the one Ramirez got on the play where Puig scored.

GSDUbs

Just want the last week of the season to have meaning. Hoping for the best – making the playoffs due to schedule (lots of roadies – and whoever thought that could be a good thing – hoping the trend lasts all year, and lots of bad teams ahead of us) but expecting the worst (we’re just not strong/deep enough in too many places, starting pitching w/o Cain).

And if you dont think they (will) miss Cain because according to “logic”, they were winning when he was bad, well, that was when EVERYONE ELSE was hot. We already had our lightning in a bottle. Could it strike twice? .

Michael Scott

Managers usually do have relievers who they would prefer to use only when the team is behind or tied.

MLBSF

It most certainly cannot. Believe you me

channelclemente

I thought I heard Gonzalez bruised a knee as well.

GSDUbs

And to Niners fans: Dorsey has NOT been ruled out for the season yet. Conflicts with Adam Schecter but still not determined.

South City Jim

Yeah, I didn’t see that happen but caught a replay later on. He was trying to score on a base hit and missed the plate on his slide and some how jammed the knee. Didn’t look serious to me.

channelclemente

Well, maybe it’ll swell a little tonight.

South City Jim

LOL

South City Jim

For what it’s worth, and I’m not one to root for injuries, but Maholm’s looked bad. He could be out a while.

channelclemente

He’s toast Trueblue says, and Haren may be as well. It seems they owe him an additional 10 million if he gets 53-54 more innings in.

SonomaBeav

Did you get a chance to get to Proposal Rock in Neskowin (near Lincoln City)?

avwh

Quick! Have the Giants play the DBacks 20x in the next 6 weeks, and have Lincecum start half those games. 😉

Goldschmidt has been DL’d with a broken hand.

channelclemente

I don’t root for injuries either, but if he’s already got one anyway, I might throw a penny in the fountain for it to hurt a little.

carmot

Doesn’t seem to stop them from running Wilson out there. Doesn’t he have bonus incentive clauses for each 5 IP or something? I realize, not the same scale as $10M…

Wonder what they’ll do. Zack Lee has an ERA over 5 and Fife’s ERA is 7.01 down in AAA.

DrLefty

Jobu broke Maholm, who broke Belt, and now Belt is back.

South City Jim

Jobu works in mysterious ways.

channelclemente

All those dead chickens in my backyard had nothing to do with it, huh?

DrLefty

Torn ACL. Out for the season.

Bleacher Bob

Maybe so, but that was one of the most exciting baseball plays of the year. It will be replayed for generations of baseball fans. This year’s version of the Pagan home run last year. A great baseball play.

channelclemente

I think that’s a measure of how bad their pen is and that Wilson is just around for garbage time.

South City Jim

Yikes. i saw it happen live on MLB.TV. Didn’t look good.

DrLefty

I have no idea how healthy or effective he’ll be. He was pretty good when he came back after the surgery last year, so I’ll hope for good things. But I do believe he’ll be back within days.

carmot

I actually don’t mind it, how about others here? There seems some MASSIVE slight changes. I mean, Bochy seems to be trying some new things. Crawford 2nd, Belt 6th, Perez in CF facing a RHP! I didn’t love the acquisition of Peavy, solely because he’s a rental. But he looks good, think he’s a nice part of the solution for 2014. Go get ’em Perez. Giants!

Bleacher Bob

Thx for the Roku tip. It’s on it’s way.

DrLefty

At least poor ol’ Peavy has the best possible defense behind him unlike last time. Well…except for Morse. But get a lead and they can put Blanco in.

Assuming Angel’s back in the leadoff spot when he gets there, wonder how the lineup shakes down then? Pence back in the two-hole?

SurfCity

Weekend at Bernie’s Duffy’s Dad.

South City Jim

Bochy might see an opportunity to use Blanco against the Mets’ bullpen.

Bleacher Bob

I like Juan Perez. His numbers aren’t good, but I want to see him play every day for awhile.

channelclemente

Soon, they’re going to have to rest Pence to get his bat back.

MLBSF

OK my bad Lefty

carmot

I wouldn’t be surprised if they find a waiver deal. HOU was shopping starters. I wouldn’t be surprised by Pederson or Seager shipped in a package for Keuschel. Or something lesser, like Noesi (maybe Danks, but another LHSP?) from CHW. Ian Kennedy would almost make the most sense. Is he healthy?

carmot

Yes, you said it. Agreed. Exactly that.

South City Jim

Of course, Giants can block.

carmot

Wow, how many injuries w/in 26 hrs of the deadline? Crazy.

carmot

Belt or Pence #2. Both choices, I just don’t believe Bochy would’ve really tried before this year. And he used Belt there early this year, too. I like some things about this Boch. Playin’ some kids, mixing the lineup (not just out of desperation IMO).

Parker, obviously as you’ve noted. Arias. Production is way far behind -even- the potential productivity of Panik or Duffy. But do they want Panik (or Duffy) playing every day for development?

carmot

You got skills. How you do the strike-thru type? It’s not tags. I tried it once before.

Bapah

I thought their concern and good vibes were exactly as you said. It IS a tough time for them, and you’re right again; they’re really young. I read somewhere that optimism was very high that Derek would return even stronger. What have you read about Mac? I’m looking forward to seeing them both play again. I’m really anxious to see Law pitch again.

There’s a small difference between a game winning inside the park home run and what should have been a failed attempt to advance 2 bases in a 7 run game. Oh wait, that’s a BIG difference. This play will probably never be seen again after today

Bleacher Bob

The team that went 42-21 is mostly back. The bench is better. Peavy over a creaky Cain. Sandoval hitting. Posey streaking. Lincecum occasionally brilliant again. Vogey solid to great. These guys are capable of playing above their individual skill level.

Moooooooooose

That’s a lot of P’s!

carmot

Yes please! That’s nearly my #1 wish… Perez. And I mean, for a SHORT while, since I want Pagan back & healthy soon.

DrLefty

That is a nifty little machine. Very easy to use. You’ll like it.

Bleacher Bob

It is several seconds of compelling video. Top 10 in plays of the year.

Bapah

even without Pandoval

Bleacher Bob

Thanks again. I’m looking forward to cutting the cable habit.

DrLefty

I don’t see why the Pads would put Kennedy on waivers when they could have traded him. I think they want to keep him for next season. He’s still under team control and reasonably priced.

However, you might recall that Kennedy beaned Puig AND Greinke in the same game last year, leading to a huge brawl. I’m thinking the Dodgers don’t want him no matter how badly they need a pitcher!

carmot

*New Post* Lineup

DrLefty

Can and should. They could use another good starter, too.

Michael Scott

As per Tweet Blanco DFA.

Moooooooooose

Ha ha! not a chance!

Moooooooooose

Everybody, and I mean everybody (ok, almost everybody) gets waived to see what’s happening. Most get pulled back without any publicity.

carmot

Yeah, I recall. I was recollecting that while reading the Dodgers had inquired on him a couple weeks ago. It’s not a dugout, it’s a camp or something; with a cruise director, not a Field Manager.

I also read what you say, SD might want to hold on to him for next year. But, a waiver? SD can hold ALL the leverage. One team, one time offer. Or we pull him back. Hey Guggenheims, put up or shut up. Kinda makes sense in a weird way, maybe?

Eleuthero

No. Guys like you just don’t like it that I don’t sit in the back seat of your bus. Tough patooties, dude. I encourage other posters to stand up to people like you. You’re another “potshot” artiste. You don’t know how to read because David M merely cited what happened to two WS teams. If anyone is lacking in reading comprehension, it’s you dude. So stick that where the moon don’t shine, okay?

Moooooooooose

The only hazard in blocking is if the waiving team only wants to dump the player AND his salary. Then the claiming team gets him.

carmot

Wow. Perez is staying, I mean… Like maybe as part of the PLAN for 2015? Blanco kinda doesn’t deserve it, but yeah. Parker can’t be staying when Pagan is back, can he?

Moooooooooose

He DID! He got his little feelings hurt. Awwwww, ain’t that cute. Mayby you should disappear like you did last year when I refused to meet you somewhere so you could show me your credentials! LOL!!

Michael Scott

Turns out to be phony. Didn’t make any sense

South City Jim

Thank God. That would be nuts.

channelclemente

No it’s a cabal between me and our cats.

2holehitting

Not really, I did not compare the chances of a complete game under Bochy vs the rest of the league. I said that Complete games are few under Bochy. The fact they have 4 complete games is a testament to that. The team has 8 shutouts already.

Eleuthero

Nah bra. No hurt feelings here. You don’t have the mental horsepower to hurt my feelings. Sorry. What is it with you and Clutch about “meeting somewhere”? This only shows that you want to bully people. Lol right back atchya, little Bullwinkle. You know that the Internet is a dangerous place and sensible people don’t divulge their identities for many reasons so you conveniently make it an issue of “cowardice”. Did you make the same issue out of it when TRK unmasked Bleacher Bob’s identity? You should have. It was wrong of TRK. Guys like you have “convenient” morals which align with people you like regardless of basic principles.

Moooooooooose

What are you talking about? You were practically begging to meet me. No thanks, pal. Not then or any time. Keep your freak show to yourself.

Eleuthero

Nah bruh. No hurt feelings here. Say, when TRK wrongfully unveiled Bleacher Bob’s actual identity did you cheer TRK on because you’re all about unmasking people’s actual identities on a dangerous medium, the Internet? No. You were nowhere to be found. Though I often side with TRK I sided with BB on that one because I’m about right and wrong NOT siding with people just because they’re my homeys. You don’t have the erudition or mental horsepower to do anything more than you do on this site … write little barbs.

Moooooooooose

I don’t care how many times you say it! LOL!

Moooooooooose

Oh, I see you changed your little rant a little bit. First of all, I don’t read sam’s crap, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. You might want to check it out to see how wrong you are. Of course, if you did check back on things you were wrong about, you wouldn’t have time to do anything else. sorry you have to deal with the effects of CRS, dude.

Eleuthero

Oh yeah, you just get to “declare” wrong but not prove it. You have lots of company here. I’m bored. Going to the cafe.

Eleuthero

You don’t care WHAT or HOW MANY because you’re not about being a reasoning or reasonable adult. When you achieve adulthood get back to me.

Moooooooooose

Ha ha! Have a clue. The burden of proof should belong to the accuser, should it not?

Eleuthero

Find the post where I was “begging to meet” you. FIND IT!! Clutch wanted to meet me at Stanford after his medical appointment. Then you come up with your lame “meet me and show me your credentials”. The freaks are you angry B-tards who spend their lives dogging someone with short potshots. Never anything dignified like reasoning. Get lost … or stolen.

Moooooooooose

Oh, this is getting good. Now you’re starting to lose it again. First you hurl childish insults, then childish demands, then childish threats. Fortunately the 4th stage is where you disappear until next season. I sure wish you could remember half the nonsense you post so you wouldn’t have to beg me to do it for you!

See how this little exchange started? I simply responded to a post (in your description) of “what happened to two WS teams.” In fact, nothing “happened” to those teams. They (your words again) “dismantled themselves.” Funny how there is a great discrepancy between “dismantled themselves” and something “happened to two WS teams.” you can’t remember what you said in posts less than a day apart!! Then come the childish insults. Have I insulted you in anyway here? Sure, I pointed out your feelings were hurt, which obviously they were. But insults? Nope, those are coming from one direction only.

Anyway, go back and read my reasoned response. No, don’t. You can read it right here. I’ll do your work for you this time and even analyze it for you. I hope this helps (Analysis will be in parentheses).

If (note the word “If. – That means the following is a conditional statement. You may have heard of it in your statistical studies – unless of course you’re lying about all those degrees and stuff you’re supposed to have. If-Then statements are kind of a big deal in statistical analysis, I’ve heard.) “you’re implying (remember,”If you’re implying” is a conditional statement that you attacked forcefully by stating a) I try to “negate any and all theories you might have.” Then, stating the original comment was “simply noting that two WS teams dismantled themselves.” So what is it? was it a theory or a simple fact? Make up your mind when you’re attacking somebody. It’s more effective that way!) (Geez, we’re still only on the first three words here! This might take all night! That’s okay, I’m only trying to help you.) that’s a good thing, note the Marlins won 54 games in 1998, followed by 64, 79, 76, and 79 the next 4 years. They finally had another winning season in 2003, going 91-71. From 2004-2010 they won from 71-87 games and made exactly zero postseason appearances. (not much to say here, simply noting facts, followed by a question)
Is that the model you want to follow?

(so there you have it. A comment, a response, and it’s over and done with. No feathers ruffled, two productive members of society with a short exchange of facts. Then comes in Eleuthero to the unwanted rescue of someone he perceives as helpless. Trying to be the hero, he fails miserably and ends up getting his feelings all hurt. How’d I do?)

Eleuthero

I don’t have to write the Gettysburg Address to get my ideas across. Learn to write well or don’t write at all. The OP simply cited two WS teams dismantling while you critiqued it as if it implied something. The post was a quotation of fact. That’s why D was mystified by your ATTACK. He thought it was an attack and I thought it was an attack. Don’t jump onto all these things about the Marlins because that’s a follow-on to his quotation of a FACT that he INSISTED was not an IMPLICATION of ANYTHING. If you make implications about what people insist they are NOT saying then SHUT THE HELL UP. Thank you for your attention. You didn’t merit the attention but I gave it to you. It won’t happen again.

Moooooooooose

Dude, you’re staying up too late and you’re obviously tired. Although I must admit, your imagination is getting pretty good!