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OPTIRODIMUS wrote:I Would Not Want To See PROWL Made From The KNOCK OUT Mold. Simply Because The Vehicle Mode Is Much Too Small. The SMOKESCREEN Mold Is Actually A Perfect Size For A Police Car.

Yeah, except that most Police cars aren't Lemans (or whatever) racing cars. Yeah I know Europe has some crazy Police cars but I'd like something a bit more realistic, something that you might see in Jasper Nevada... 'cause I don't think Prowl is as "flashy" as Smokescreen which is why Movie Barricade hit the nail on the head - Perfect Police Pursuit Car.

Nemesis Primal wrote:For some reason, I think a deluxe Prowl would likely be a retool of Smokescreen. I have... mixed feelings on that.

Same here. While I do like the Smokescreen figure, the "racing car" doesn't look very cop-car-ish to me. I know that Smoke, Bluestreak and Prowl are supposed to be the same mold, but really, look at Ratchet and Ironhide... since G1 (or G1-inspired Classics) have they ever been the same?

I would much rather see Prowl as a redeco of either Bumblebee (GASP!) or Knock Out (DOUBLE GASP!) I think the Knock Out thing comes from the Arms Micron Smokescreen... with the right decals, that could be Prowl... and the Knock Out figure's mould isn't nearly as bad in hand as the pictures make it seem, it's just the paint that sucks (hellooooo Reprolabels!!!!)

See, I don't think Knock Out looks that bad without reprolabels... But I may bee in the minority. Also, FE Bumblebee or PRiD Bumblebee, or do you think either one would do the trick?

I feel that neither Knock Out nor Bumblebee's head would really work for Prowl, but hopefully a Prowl retool would include a new head.

Or it could be a new mold entirely, which would be cool...

But given that Cyberverse has already given us one Prowl made out of Smokescreen, I think a deluxe Prowl would probably follow the same pattern...

And like I said, I have mixed feelings about that. It's a nice-looking mold, though I'd prefer new accessories for Prowl, especially since the lightbar for Prowl would have to go about where the gun attaches on Smokescreen. That said, I find getting the thing back into vehicle mode to be a bit trickier than I'd like. It's not just that it's complicated, it's that there are problems with things getting in each other's way or not lining up right.

Yes, It's True That SMOKESCREEN's Arms Are A Bit Too Tricky When Converting To Vehicle Mode. And Placing The Red & Blue Cop Car Light Bar On A SMOKESCREEN Mold Would Actually Work Quite Well Because The Peg Hole On The Roof Of The Car Is Centered Very Well. And Yes, This Mold Is The One That Hasbro Will Probably Go With. Perhaps A Slight Remold On The Front End, And Back End Of The Car May Help It Look More Like A Police Cruiser. Otherwise, They Should Just Go With A New Mold Entirely.

Yes, It's True That SMOKESCREEN's Arms Are A Bit Too Tricky When Converting To Vehicle Mode. And Placing The Red & Blue Cop Car Light Bar On A SMOKESCREEN Mold Would Actually Work Quite Well Because The Peg Hole On The Roof Of The Car Is Centered Very Well. And Yes, This Mold Is The One That Hasbro Will Probably Go With. Perhaps A Slight Remold On The Front End, And Back End Of The Car May Help It Look More Like A Police Cruiser. Otherwise, They Should Just Go With A New Mold Entirely.

Regardless to whether the vehicle mode fits a police car or not, Prime Prowl's robot and vehicle mode have already been revealed to us, and thanks to this and the legion, the Deluxe is more than likely to be a Smokescreen retool.

By "Kim Yura" & "Zimmo81"

Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

Yeah, and don't get me wrong... if they make Prowl a straight-up repaint of Smokescreen I'll still buy it and like it. As OPTIRODIMUS says a slight re-mold would be nice, maybe with a reduced spoiler for one.

I think that a new mold is sadly unlikely, considering that Prime is in it's twilight and they have so many molds to work with already.

As far as which BB to use if they went that way? Either one would do, but it would need a new head. I think the PRID would work better because he has the door wings but his top doesn't separate, instead sitting on his back which would be a great spot for the lightbar to stay and be out of the way.

Autobot Strider wrote:As OPTIRODIMUS says a slight re-mold would be nice, maybe with a reduced spoiler for one.

All I'd count on is a remolded head along with a new faux chest (if we're lucky). Smokescreen's already got the ports on his car mode for a siren, so whether it will be detachable or not is up for speculation.

By "Kim Yura" & "Zimmo81"

Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

I Agree With Autobot Strider. The RID BUMBLEBEE Mold Would Work Really Well For A Deluxe PROWL. But It Does Look Like Hasbro Will Go With The SMOKESCREEN Mold. Just As They Did With The Legion Class Version. But Again, A Slight Remold Would Be Great. Reducing The Size Of The Spoiler Is A Good Idea. Especially For A Police Cruiser.

Autobot Strider wrote:As OPTIRODIMUS says a slight re-mold would be nice, maybe with a reduced spoiler for one.

All I'd count on is a remolded head along with a new faux chest (if we're lucky). Smokescreen's already got the ports on his car mode for a siren, so whether it will be detachable or not is up for speculation.

Either way, hopefully the lightbar would at least be there...

And some shoulder guns would be nice too, to make it match the concept art more closely.

Not that it matters much, mind you. Given that the Universe MMO will probably never come out at this rate, they hardly have game-accuracy to worry about.

We're all just products of our programming... And there always seem to be a few glitches.

Yes, I Agree. If Hasbro Can Attach Some Shoulder Cannons To This Mold, That Would Be Great. It Would Fit The Look, & Style Of PROWL. And If Hasbro Uses The SMOKESCREEN Mold, I Would See The Light Bar Being Removable. But Then Again, Hasbro Might Surprise Us. They've Done That Before.

PrymeStriker wrote:Smokescreen's already got the ports on his car mode for a siren, so whether it will be detachable or not is up for speculation.

I don't follow you... I'm assuming you mean the light bar? And that it would be attached to his roof port, right?

If that is the case, are you thinking it will be detachable or not?

Sorry if I'm being dense here, It's been a long day!

If it's not detachable then I hope it splits between the two halves because otherwise it's going to look silly on one arm. If it is detachable then I hope there is some out of the way place to put it, as it would look kinda silly in his hands!

In terms of whether or not he has missiles... meh. While they toy did and the MMO game render feature them, didn't the Prowl of the G1 cartoon mysteriously lack them?

PrymeStriker wrote:Smokescreen's already got the ports on his car mode for a siren, so whether it will be detachable or not is up for speculation.

I don't follow you... I'm assuming you mean the light bar? And that it would be attached to his roof port, right?

If that is the case, are you thinking it will be detachable or not?

Sorry if I'm being dense here, It's been a long day!

If it's not detachable then I hope it splits between the two halves because otherwise it's going to look silly on one arm. If it is detachable then I hope there is some out of the way place to put it, as it would look kinda silly in his hands!

In terms of whether or not he has missiles... meh. While they toy did and the MMO game render feature them, didn't the Prowl of the G1 cartoon mysteriously lack them?

If Hasbro Is Going To Use The SMOKESCREEN Mold For The Deluxe PROWL Figure, Then I Do Believe That The Light Bar Will Be Removable. Because The Roof Port Is On The Back Of The Right Arm, And If The Light Bar Is Not Removable, Then PROWL Would Look Ridiculous In Robot Mode With The Light Bar On The Back Of His Arm. And I Think Hasbro Knows This. I Believe That Hasbro Will Make The Deluxe PROWL Look Really Good.

If Hasbro Is Going To Use The SMOKESCREEN Mold For The Deluxe PROWL Figure, Then I Do Believe That The Light Bar Will Be Removable. Because The Roof Port Is On The Back Of The Right Arm, And If The Light Bar Is Not Removable, Then PROWL Would Look Ridiculous In Robot Mode With The Light Bar On The Back Of His Arm. And I Think Hasbro Knows This. I Believe That Hasbro Will Make The Deluxe PROWL Look Really Good.

PrymeStriker wrote:Smokescreen's already got the ports on his car mode for a siren, so whether it will be detachable or not is up for speculation.

I don't follow you... I'm assuming you mean the light bar? And that it would be attached to his roof port, right?

If that is the case, are you thinking it will be detachable or not?

Bingo.

In terms of whether or not he has missiles... meh. While they toy did and the MMO game render feature them, didn't the Prowl of the G1 cartoon mysteriously lack them?

Well, the cartoon models were all different in some way in relation to their toys. I don't care too much for the shoulder cannons, but if they could slap them on there somehow, then HasTak will be given much praise.

By "Kim Yura" & "Zimmo81"

Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

So from my understanding we're supposed to expect 16 deluxe figures in the Prime BH line, and 6 Voyagers. While all the voyagers have been revealed, isn't there one deluxe still outstanding?

Going off of tfwiki.net, we have:

Wave 1 - Bee, Wheeljack, Soundwave and Lazerback (4)

Wave 2 - Smokescreen, Bulkhead, Ripclaw and Starscream (4)

Wave 3 - Skystalker, Ratchet, Dreadwing (3)

Wave 4 - Vertebreak, Arcee, Knock Out (3)

Future Wave(s) - Prowl (1)

That totals out to 15 figures. Is there any word on the 16th?

Even though he would look kinda puny next to my voyager Bulkhead, I would love to see a deluxe Breakdown. If they can resurrect Dreadwing and size him down (not withstanding he is now part chicken) they surely they could do the same for the only recurring character Decepticon we didn't get here in North America (not counting the 'flying Vs' or the Insecticons).

Although maybe I'm way off and the 16th figure has been announced?

Also, I just noticed in typing this out that this line in particular seems pretty badguy-heavy... About time!

Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

I Would Love To See A BREAKDOWN Figure From Hasbro. Just Not A Deluxe Class Size. I Want To See A Voyager. But We Know That's Not Going To Happen. And I Really Don't Want To See A Repaint Of RIPCLAW. We're Already Getting A Repaint Of LASERBACK, And That's Enough. I've Seen Enough Repaints. I'd Like To See Some New Molds. And It Would Be Much Better If Hasbro Wouldn't Shrink Our True Voyagers Down To Deluxe Class Size.

I Would Love To See A BREAKDOWN Figure From Hasbro. Just Not A Deluxe Class Size. I Want To See A Voyager. But We Know That's Not Going To Happen. And I Really Don't Want To See A Repaint Of RIPCLAW. We're Already Getting A Repaint Of LASERBACK, And That's Enough. I've Seen Enough Repaints. I'd Like To See Some New Molds. And It Would Be Much Better If Hasbro Wouldn't Shrink Our True Voyagers Down To Deluxe Class Size.