Hi all, I have been a bit too busy to get my intro up. I have been a bit involved elsewhere.

Royal Commission into child abuse. There are many problems, simply caused by it turning into a Christian council to keep the churches going. 100% of staff are Christian. All commissioners appear to be -still waiting on a couple to confirm.

Terms of Reference - 1st paragraph

AND Australia has undertaken international obligations to take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect children from sexual abuse and other forms of abuse, including measures for the prevention, identification, reporting, referral, investigation, treatment and follow up of incidents of child abuse.

When I point out "and other forms of abuse"
I get this from staff "Oh dear, we didn't notice that". Same staff member a year before, same answer.

The quote seems to have been removed on some other internal documents.

Anyway it is all black and white and after 2 years a christian finally "got it", did his involuntary making excuses defensive circular thing. I pointed out what I had been telling him for years. He admitted his irrationality. It's my first one. Woohoo

Anyway staff have now acknowledge the issue, so I sent the following email this morning. I could not bring myself to use titles.

PS Guess what? They want you to pay for their fellowship get together, and for the competition. That's right, we pay for the crap we despise, object too, and have nothing to do with.

Subject:
Ignoring terms of reference - Failure to disclose - Failure of the seperation of church and state.

Religion causes otherwise good, ordinary people to say and do, the most outrageously horrid things.

How do you start a letter aimed at people who have done the unthinkable? I don't know that I can open your eyes. The obvious failure to disclose and breaches of various codes of conduct will hopefully be enough to help you see, you have done something wrong. At least staff have acknowledge the issue. Then again delusion has allowed you lot to read text and not see certain words. Who knows how far you have gone.

I am asking you to take a long hard look at yourselves and your actions.

My name is David Frisken. I grew up in a Pauline cult and was abused from birth until adulthood, and have had to deal with the result since. I along with millions of other Australians with a similar story, were uplifted to read the Terms of Reference. We waited with reverence for the call for our turn to share our stories. No, you turn us away with lies and denials. We wait. We show you. "Oh I didn't notice that before. Oh", and then promptly forget. We call up, broken by religion and forced to talk to the same, who shuffle us as fodder to christian outreach centres, who through vetting for non-belief then go on to deny help for the crime of not being an extremist and caring for others. Yes I have been around those meeting too, except I spoke up to embarrass the manipulation of the vulnerable.

Catholics and Christians are oblivious to how the secular population views them. The chasm in the way reasoning is perceived is huge. We literally talk different languages. This philosophy of circular reasoning is brought into all of society and those exposed, now non believers are also stuck with this baggage. I truly believe a large part of all conflict is sustained due to our societies slightly broken minds. You don't want to be descended from apes, but build your whole being around primitive thought reflexes. You give up your conscious and say there is no right and wrong without a god. What sort of character are you that does not know right and wrong? You blaspheme claiming to know gods mind. But how? Through personal experience with Jesus? It is impossible for a believer to put themselves in the place of someone who can't see the point damaging your mind. You had a bishop from Melbourne tell you chrisitians can not apply empathy, and is part of the communication issue. Putting that with bigotry and then we are segregated.

Your bible, your Jesus, your God offers nothing but evil. There is nothing there, show us? Any wisdom was plagiarised. Your God came from the Persians, Jesus was a fundamental Jew who despised gentiles - how does that work with you gentiles? What is the deal? Name one bit of original moral wisdom from the bible. Jesus does not even pass a character test, all of you are probably inrelity of a better character. Do you really condone slavery and misogyny? We do not want to go back to Bronze age morals dictated by an invisible friend?

At this time faith is in turmoil over relevance. This has created a state where uncomfortable allegiances are made with the "enemy of my enemy" as you try to withstand. This results in confusion, hypocrisy, and hysteria. Incompatible cultures are jammed together, creating ghettos of suspicion, intolerance, bigotry and persecution. You authorised all faiths, yet other faiths are wrong? This turmoil, if ever, could not be called a help to our non-Christian country. This is a democracy not the totalitarian religious state you desire. All of you do, Islam state it by definition of it's own name. Don't deny your desire and scheming, I lived amongst it, complete with planning to swoop on the vulnerable and uneducated. At the least we demand representation and a secular government. In regard to faith, all we expect is a separation from government and education, and an end to the churches hiding of truths from their congregation.

I can't really be bothered building the paragraphs I was going to create. I'm sorry, your just not worth the time.

Where is your recommendations for when the religious charities are no longer sustainable. What happens to children during this time. You are going on as though your numbers are eternal. Holy denial, pull you heads out of the sand.

Where are your specialist witnesses? I think I saw 2, who were both part of your club, and by definition in this matter hostile. What is that about? Where is the representation from The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists, or any other Australian secular specialist?

Don't you think there should be any sort of fitness test for these entities and their different deities? How are they any different to any other organisation in the eyes of the secular state. This artificial social programming of the populations to awe and respect of religions was documented by your church fathers.

Read your history so you can understand who you are. Please try peer reviewed secular authors, so as to lessen the confusion caused by the authors of faith, who distort and invent to reach their preconceived conclusion.

Bottom line. We believe your religions are evil incarnate. A terrible force of pain and confusion for all of society. Every negative aspect is proven by history and your beliefs.

I could go on for days and it soon just becomes silly demonstrating the same things, over and over to the deluded.

But wait get this, here comes the gag. To us that detest your actions and opposed. You want to put the bill to the citizens for your little Christian get together. Where you endeavoured to get the church out the other side intact. Stuff the children, the church must come first. How about those responsible pay. That is what secular Australia was expecting. How about these massive corporations that con homes from the old and lonely? How about some of that money?

Seriously, what is really wrong with a better future where children's young minds are educated with reason, and not suspicion?

I was going to put in some time to write and show you how your mental illness is affecting the world around you but it is very hard to get through a delusion. Speak to Don, he was able to recognise his involuntary defensiveness and illogical response. It would be better face to face.

We have had two Prime Ministers apologising for your christian shenanigans over the Stolen generation and forgotten generation, and here we go again. This time you must excuse the secular population, from your apology. You Christians and Catholics own this all on your own. Your failure to children in the past and currently. Congratulations, you are now infamous and will be probably be rerun on late night television for the next 50 years.

The ramifications are huge and yet because you saw a few words that caused fear, you treat the office as trivial. How why what? You have behaved exactly like the Catholic priests you have questioned.

You have shamed my parents.
You have shamed your families
You have treated the Secular Royal Commission as some sort of "Council of Nicea" and excluded the secular population.
You have accelerated the demise of Catholic and Christian sects.
You have given a boost to Islam, the most imminently dangerous faith on the planet. No one says anything, no one debates their dribble. What is wrong with you people. That's right, you can't. That would be to lessen your faith defence for your own deity, in a secular world.
You have thrown a doubt over all legal matters any of you have ever been involved with.
You have made it impossible for future religious institutes to be involved with children.
You have confirmed a lack of separation of church and state is a real problem.
You have confirmed everything people see as your evil, related or not.
You have confirmed Christians are incapable of compassion or empathy.
You have confirmed Christians cannot be trusted in positions of authority.

All because you are scared that your beliefs are not true. How selfish are you people?
Show some integrity and stop this denial.

I understand how it happened, you are only human and you have made some zealous, bad choices, and in your hysteria, have knocked yourself off kilter, working for what you feel might be a god's plan. All OK in your make believe world, but not something you can uphold in the secular world.

How do you lessen the damage you have done? Is it possible? You have thrown a confirmed shadow over all of religion. Can any integrity be salvaged?

What is best for the nation and the Office of The Royal Commission? Integrity and disclosure is what we expect.

I on behalf of the citizens of Australia demand you disclose this farce. No running off trying to fix things in your "Christian" circles for a few days.

I demand that the ABC be given an abbreviated summary of the issue by 2pm today, 27/6/2017. A commitment to return funds from this fraud, must be made. With a formal apology on the television tonight. All commissioners are expected to appear individually and acknowledge their wrong doing. You can say don't blame the religion, it was us etc. But no one will believe you.
Someone also needs to apologise about the staff failing their code of conduct. Their abuse, persecution, and closed minds.

The only choice I see next. Is for all of you to then present at NSW Police Stations. There really is no other option and will look much better to the public than, the Police coming looking.

It would also be the choice of the honest person to present the Police with any additional information that they may need.

I really hope there are some good people within your gathering, who can at least attempt to reach the moral level of the humanist.

Perhaps what I ask is only achievable by a true Christian, which there has not been much evidence of.

Hello David, that is a passionate post, but unfortunately I am probably missing some vital information. What is this meeting that you are referring to? I have not seen any reference to the Commissioners having some Christian meeting, if you are able could you provide me with a link to any background information I would greatly appreciate it.

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Hello David, that is a passionate post, but unfortunately I am probably missing some vital information. What is this meeting that you are referring to? I have not seen any reference to the Commissioners having some Christian meeting, if you are able could you provide me with a link to any background information I would greatly appreciate it.

The "meeting" is to prepare a strategy to manipulate the vulnerable. Churches do it all the time. Looking for newly divorced single mothers, some one who has lost a love one etc. The congregation act to identify targets,that clergy then exploit is all. They do to the really old as well. The visits pick up the older they get.

Edit: PS In a small town at least. It gets competitive between the clergy to get at people first. It is not mad drooling. But is very organised.

Hello David, that is a passionate post, but unfortunately I am probably missing some vital information. What is this meeting that you are referring to? I have not seen any reference to the Commissioners having some Christian meeting, if you are able could you provide me with a link to any background information I would greatly appreciate it.

Sorry, with my other reply I was stating that they had done the same, by preying on the vulnerable, who they send the fodder back to the christian outreach counselling. These people don't do it out of the goodness of their heart. They are looking for numbers.

Hello David, that is a passionate post, but unfortunately I am probably missing some vital information. What is this meeting that you are referring to? I have not seen any reference to the Commissioners having some Christian meeting, if you are able could you provide me with a link to any background information I would greatly appreciate it.

Sorry, with my other reply I was stating that they had done the same, by preying on the vulnerable, who they send the fodder back to the christian outreach counselling. These people don't do it out of the goodness of their heart. They are looking for numbers.

Hang on a moment. I may have missed the point.

David, are you saying that the Child Abuse Royal Commission has meetings about sending victims to a particular or undesignated xtian outreach organisation?

Hi all, I have been a bit too busy to get my intro up. I have been a bit involved elsewhere.

Royal Commission into child abuse. There are many problems, simply caused by it turning into a Christian council to keep the churches going. 100% of staff are Christian. All commissioners appear to be -still waiting on a couple to confirm.

Terms of Reference - 1st paragraph

AND Australia has undertaken international obligations to take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect children from sexual abuse and other forms of abuse, including measures for the prevention, identification, reporting, referral, investigation, treatment and follow up of incidents of child abuse.

When I point out "and other forms of abuse"
I get this from staff "Oh dear, we didn't notice that". Same staff member a year before, same answer.

The quote seems to have been removed on some other internal documents.

Anyway it is all black and white and after 2 years a christian finally "got it", did his involuntary making excuses defensive circular thing. I pointed out what I had been telling him for years. He admitted his irrationality. It's my first one. Woohoo

Anyway staff have now acknowledge the issue, so I sent the following email this morning. I could not bring myself to use titles.

PS Guess what? They want you to pay for their fellowship get together, and for the competition. That's right, we pay for the crap we despise, object too, and have nothing to do with.

Subject:
Ignoring terms of reference - Failure to disclose - Failure of the seperation of church and state.

Religion causes otherwise good, ordinary people to say and do, the most outrageously horrid things.

How do you start a letter aimed at people who have done the unthinkable? I don't know that I can open your eyes. The obvious failure to disclose and breaches of various codes of conduct will hopefully be enough to help you see, you have done something wrong. At least staff have acknowledge the issue. Then again delusion has allowed you lot to read text and not see certain words. Who knows how far you have gone.

I am asking you to take a long hard look at yourselves and your actions.

My name is David Frisken. I grew up in a Pauline cult and was abused from birth until adulthood, and have had to deal with the result since. I along with millions of other Australians with a similar story, were uplifted to read the Terms of Reference. We waited with reverence for the call for our turn to share our stories. No, you turn us away with lies and denials. We wait. We show you. "Oh I didn't notice that before. Oh", and then promptly forget. We call up, broken by religion and forced to talk to the same, who shuffle us as fodder to christian outreach centres, who through vetting for non-belief then go on to deny help for the crime of not being an extremist and caring for others. Yes I have been around those meeting too, except I spoke up to embarrass the manipulation of the vulnerable.

Catholics and Christians are oblivious to how the secular population views them. The chasm in the way reasoning is perceived is huge. We literally talk different languages. This philosophy of circular reasoning is brought into all of society and those exposed, now non believers are also stuck with this baggage. I truly believe a large part of all conflict is sustained due to our societies slightly broken minds. You don't want to be descended from apes, but build your whole being around primitive thought reflexes. You give up your conscious and say there is no right and wrong without a god. What sort of character are you that does not know right and wrong? You blaspheme claiming to know gods mind. But how? Through personal experience with Jesus? It is impossible for a believer to put themselves in the place of someone who can't see the point damaging your mind. You had a bishop from Melbourne tell you chrisitians can not apply empathy, and is part of the communication issue. Putting that with bigotry and then we are segregated.

Your bible, your Jesus, your God offers nothing but evil. There is nothing there, show us? Any wisdom was plagiarised. Your God came from the Persians, Jesus was a fundamental Jew who despised gentiles - how does that work with you gentiles? What is the deal? Name one bit of original moral wisdom from the bible. Jesus does not even pass a character test, all of you are probably inrelity of a better character. Do you really condone slavery and misogyny? We do not want to go back to Bronze age morals dictated by an invisible friend?

At this time faith is in turmoil over relevance. This has created a state where uncomfortable allegiances are made with the "enemy of my enemy" as you try to withstand. This results in confusion, hypocrisy, and hysteria. Incompatible cultures are jammed together, creating ghettos of suspicion, intolerance, bigotry and persecution. You authorised all faiths, yet other faiths are wrong? This turmoil, if ever, could not be called a help to our non-Christian country. This is a democracy not the totalitarian religious state you desire. All of you do, Islam state it by definition of it's own name. Don't deny your desire and scheming, I lived amongst it, complete with planning to swoop on the vulnerable and uneducated. At the least we demand representation and a secular government. In regard to faith, all we expect is a separation from government and education, and an end to the churches hiding of truths from their congregation.

I can't really be bothered building the paragraphs I was going to create. I'm sorry, your just not worth the time.

Where is your recommendations for when the religious charities are no longer sustainable. What happens to children during this time. You are going on as though your numbers are eternal. Holy denial, pull you heads out of the sand.

Where are your specialist witnesses? I think I saw 2, who were both part of your club, and by definition in this matter hostile. What is that about? Where is the representation from The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists, or any other Australian secular specialist?

Don't you think there should be any sort of fitness test for these entities and their different deities? How are they any different to any other organisation in the eyes of the secular state. This artificial social programming of the populations to awe and respect of religions was documented by your church fathers.

Read your history so you can understand who you are. Please try peer reviewed secular authors, so as to lessen the confusion caused by the authors of faith, who distort and invent to reach their preconceived conclusion.

Bottom line. We believe your religions are evil incarnate. A terrible force of pain and confusion for all of society. Every negative aspect is proven by history and your beliefs.

I could go on for days and it soon just becomes silly demonstrating the same things, over and over to the deluded.

But wait get this, here comes the gag. To us that detest your actions and opposed. You want to put the bill to the citizens for your little Christian get together. Where you endeavoured to get the church out the other side intact. Stuff the children, the church must come first. How about those responsible pay. That is what secular Australia was expecting. How about these massive corporations that con homes from the old and lonely? How about some of that money?

Seriously, what is really wrong with a better future where children's young minds are educated with reason, and not suspicion?

I was going to put in some time to write and show you how your mental illness is affecting the world around you but it is very hard to get through a delusion. Speak to Don, he was able to recognise his involuntary defensiveness and illogical response. It would be better face to face.

We have had two Prime Ministers apologising for your christian shenanigans over the Stolen generation and forgotten generation, and here we go again. This time you must excuse the secular population, from your apology. You Christians and Catholics own this all on your own. Your failure to children in the past and currently. Congratulations, you are now infamous and will be probably be rerun on late night television for the next 50 years.

The ramifications are huge and yet because you saw a few words that caused fear, you treat the office as trivial. How why what? You have behaved exactly like the Catholic priests you have questioned.

You have shamed my parents.
You have shamed your families
You have treated the Secular Royal Commission as some sort of "Council of Nicea" and excluded the secular population.
You have accelerated the demise of Catholic and Christian sects.
You have given a boost to Islam, the most imminently dangerous faith on the planet. No one says anything, no one debates their dribble. What is wrong with you people. That's right, you can't. That would be to lessen your faith defence for your own deity, in a secular world.
You have thrown a doubt over all legal matters any of you have ever been involved with.
You have made it impossible for future religious institutes to be involved with children.
You have confirmed a lack of separation of church and state is a real problem.
You have confirmed everything people see as your evil, related or not.
You have confirmed Christians are incapable of compassion or empathy.
You have confirmed Christians cannot be trusted in positions of authority.

All because you are scared that your beliefs are not true. How selfish are you people?
Show some integrity and stop this denial.

I understand how it happened, you are only human and you have made some zealous, bad choices, and in your hysteria, have knocked yourself off kilter, working for what you feel might be a god's plan. All OK in your make believe world, but not something you can uphold in the secular world.

How do you lessen the damage you have done? Is it possible? You have thrown a confirmed shadow over all of religion. Can any integrity be salvaged?

What is best for the nation and the Office of The Royal Commission? Integrity and disclosure is what we expect.

I on behalf of the citizens of Australia demand you disclose this farce. No running off trying to fix things in your "Christian" circles for a few days.

I demand that the ABC be given an abbreviated summary of the issue by 2pm today, 27/6/2017. A commitment to return funds from this fraud, must be made. With a formal apology on the television tonight. All commissioners are expected to appear individually and acknowledge their wrong doing. You can say don't blame the religion, it was us etc. But no one will believe you.
Someone also needs to apologise about the staff failing their code of conduct. Their abuse, persecution, and closed minds.

The only choice I see next. Is for all of you to then present at NSW Police Stations. There really is no other option and will look much better to the public than, the Police coming looking.

It would also be the choice of the honest person to present the Police with any additional information that they may need.

I really hope there are some good people within your gathering, who can at least attempt to reach the moral level of the humanist.

Perhaps what I ask is only achievable by a true Christian, which there has not been much evidence of.

In sincere bewilderment,

David Frisken.

The highlighted parts and a comment you made in another thread gave me the impression that you were saying that the Commissioners were having some sort of meeting with churches.
I am probably mistaken as I find it difficult to follow your posts.
Perhaps you could make your points in a more succinct manner so that simple people like me can follow what you are saying.

__________________
The meaning of your life, is what you choose to make it.

The highlighted parts and a comment you made in another thread gave me the impression that you were saying that the Commissioners were having some sort of meeting with churches.
I am probably mistaken as I find it difficult to follow your posts.
Perhaps you could make your points in a more succinct manner so that simple people like me can follow what you are saying.

Hey Bruce, sorry, I am leading you astray. I have pages of notes I made over thee weekend while reading the Commission reports etc. So my head is all over the place in what I ended up using where.

Yes it was a meeting with churches. They organised the staff for the phones and first line, and are the providers of all external counseling. There is obviously lots of other contact going on in the background all the time. Especially considering they are all christians, at a level where they know each other, or a friend of a friend, etc.

David, are you saying that the Child Abuse Royal Commission has meetings about sending victims to a particular or undesignated xtian outreach organisation?

If so, are there any details?

Not per individual, but they do have ongoing contact. I mean they sorted out which of the christian services to prefer depending on subject I suppose. The referrals for victims are to mainly one entity, with a couple of other options(from memory- have notes), or they direct you to their full list of all the Aust christian counseling services on the website.

First line staff are christians employed for the commission period by the Fed Public Service. They are of a Life Line like competence, Generally not the quickest, but man can they get nasty if you offend their god. The office manager I have been dealing with is a Christian employed directly by the Commission. They are bit secretive about the documentation admin staff, and more so if they think you are after info about the internal process of the backroom - which I wasn't at the time, but was after. They are all christian as far as I know.

Bloody hell that textual vomit at the start of my post is confusing me. Too much of a hurry, too much to do.
Edit: Sorry can't edit the post, as this was my first and was moderated.