The sha are a result of the pandaren on pandaria, the other races seem to be pay no attention to them until we arrived.

And for the record I hate brann too, he's just the previous lorewalker cho

The sha are the result of the titans killing the old god Y'shaarj, corrupting the land with this embodiment of negative emotion. The pandaren didn't cause it, the sha were there long before they ever did anything significant on Pandaria.

They had it fairly decently under control, till we came along and brought anger and hatred and violence and every other kind of emotion the sha feed upon to Pandaria... en masse.

That the sha appeared when we did is evidence of this. Hell, Zhu explicitly said such. You'd have to close your eyes and plug your ears to miss it.

Warcraft has never been about being lighthearted. The very name implies war. And the craft of said war.

The big reason, big lore characters were big to begin with wasn't because they were lighthearted nor because they were comical or Silly. They were individuals who made tough choises, went through tragedies and turned from having a very good outlook, to the complete opposite (i.e Arthas)

Now, you could try to argue that it's "fresh" - But if you don't like what is in essence YEARS of doing and YEARS of Thematic.. When A LOT of people follow that theme that has been around for YEARS... Yeah. You're probably not a majority then. WoD supports this idea. Because the developers themselves said they want to go back to what feels as "Warcraft".

Pandas being portrayed as light hearted, silly alcoholics - at least as far as i am concerned.. Does NOT fit the earlier theme that has been Warcraft in any aspect whatsoever. It would be a pretty hard argument to make as well that it would not break off TOO hard from that running theme of you know, people you come to love and apprechiate who then turn to destroy everything they ever had.

TL;DR - Silly Alcoholic Pandas does not match up to lengthy lore-heavy and lore-enriched characters who meet their fate.

tldr, dwarfs are far more alcholic then pandas, spaceships, talking cows, murlocs, ect ect. LK and DW where reduced to bad Saturday mourning cartoon villans and you call them enriched characters...now that is comical.

I don't think the issue is that WoW has silly stuff. It was nice to break things up in vanilla. The problem is with the amount of silly stuff. I could easily go a week if not a whole month without seeing anything silly in vanilla. In MoP you cannot go a single day. Hell even in BC and wrath there was silly stuff here and there but you weren't constantly running into it.

You also had 60 levels and 4 different areas per level range to quest in. Of course every expansion seems like it has ramped up the cheese if you will. Not to mention since the release of TBC we have all been in a race to get to the end to see the end game content instead of being content with the journey that was Vanilla.

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Originally Posted by madassa648

At least they advance the story, all be it badly at times or with all the grace and dignity of a whale trying handgliding.

Most of these fools would rather we kill off all the main villains or lore figures left from the RTS games, never add anything new, then complain about killing off all the lore and not doing anything new.

Looks like Vanilla and TBC are culprits. Looks like Blizz tried to correct the childishness and pulp culture references starting with Cata. :P

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Originally Posted by Combooticus

Not sure if serious?

Wow started off as a warhammer 40k clone cause they lost the rights or some shit so they made there own orcs v humans game and they have built upon that ever since

Blizz has loved to put in cheesy memes, injokes and shit ever since and have done so for as long as ive played the game

and people are NOW starting to complain about the jokes jeeez!

That rumor was debunked a while ago. http://kotaku.com/5929161/how-warcraft-was-almost-a-warhammer-game-and-how-that-saved-wow
While they wanted to do a Warhammer game, they got no traction and wanted to control their own IP, the decided to make Warcraft on their own and used Warhammer as an influence. It never started off as a clone at all.

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Originally Posted by joeyray

what's even worse then bad lines is the stupid, in-your-face pop culture references. cata 1-60 is the biggest offender here (CSI Westfall still makes me wanna cry). yes, wow never took itself seriously but they went overboard with some of this shit.

Vanilla is the biggest offender, followed by TBC, WotLK, Cata then MoP. Just look at the link http://wowpedia.org/List_of_pop_cult...es_in_Warcraft

I find it funny when people think Warcraft needs to be like Warhammer-super-grimdark-srsbsnss when that's NEVER been it's selling point.

But to be more constructive: WoW has never and will never follow a 100% serious theme, people seem to forget that classic WoW was -loaded- with corny jokes, references (Nintendo Crater anyone?) and even poor writing (Since when did WoW hold a candle to the likes of LOTR and so on?).

I find it funny when people think Warcraft needs to be like Warhammer-super-grimdark-srsbsnss when that's NEVER been it's selling point.

But to be more constructive: WoW has never and will never follow a 100% serious theme, people seem to forget that classic WoW was -loaded- with corny jokes, references (Nintendo Crater anyone?) and even poor writing (Since when did WoW hold a candle to the likes of LOTR and so on?).

At least they tried. In Eastern Plaguelands of old, we didnt have to escort bunch of idealistic rookies and their horribly-accented furry friend on their way to become paladins through entire zone and save one of them from turning into the lamest Death Knight seen since Koltira.

The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

I find it funny when people think Warcraft needs to be like Warhammer-super-grimdark-srsbsnss when that's NEVER been it's selling point.

But to be more constructive: WoW has never and will never follow a 100% serious theme, people seem to forget that classic WoW was -loaded- with corny jokes, references (Nintendo Crater anyone?) and even poor writing (Since when did WoW hold a candle to the likes of LOTR and so on?).