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Re: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

.76 PPP, 305th in the league. He scores on 36.5% of his possessions, turns it over 15.3% of the time. His shooting percentage from the outside is horrendous. He can get offensive boards but it's not enough to make up for his turnovers and poor shooting. He's got a negative offensive win shares. The best way to defend Josh Smith is to not guard him and to try to see if he shoots.

Where's that list? I can't find it.

All I want to know is "Does he have a higher PPP than Ian?"

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Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

I'm not endorsing Josh to keep shooting 3's, but 1 of 4 per game isn't that bad when you have Monroe and Drummond in the paint. Detroit has bigger issues then Josh right now. I don't want anything to do with them in the playoffs if Cheeks can get that team working the right way. Just don't know how good of a coach he is to this point.

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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."

Re: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

I saw one of their fans thinking that we'd take Josh Smith back in exchange for Danny.

I mean it's kind of an issue that they are already regretting the contract 20 games into a 4 year deal. If the Pacers salary situation worked out, it would be a net positive talent wise, but Josh Smith doesn't fit the Pacers' persona.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

Monroe's defense is a far bigger issue than Smith's offense at this point. It's just easier to point at the shooting percentages and blame him.

I still really like Josh Smith. I'm happy he's on this team, and the effort thing is way overblown.

I think Monroe's lack of development is the elephant in the room that needs to be addressed. Still no confidence in his mid range game in year 4. He's basically forcing Joe to move him for perimeter help. If he can't shoot outside of the paint and can't defend, he's not going to get a max offer from anybody.

Last edited by Kstat; 12-13-2013 at 03:56 AM.

It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

I don't really get the gloating. Detroit is only three games under five hundred with a bunch of new players and a new coach. They've got some movable pieces. Worst case they're gonna make the playoffs as a seven or eight seed and get some postseason experience for Drummond and Monroe. A lot of teams would like to be in their position.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

I don't really get the gloating. Detroit is only three games under five hundred with a bunch of new players and a new coach. They've got some movable pieces. Worst case they're gonna make the playoffs as a seven or eight seed and get some postseason experience for Drummond and Monroe. A lot of teams would like to be in their position.

This.

Would this thread have been bumped last week? Probably not. So we're going to pick and choose which low points we want to cast judgements at during an 82-game season....

I'd add that we were 7-16 at the same point last season. This is a team damaged by years of losing. Turning things around does not happen overnight.

At no point this year have I claimed we were a good team. But I do believe they will finish the season that way.

Last edited by Kstat; 12-13-2013 at 05:14 AM.

It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

By the way, 7 games into December, Jennings is averaging 21 and 7 and shooting 45% from the floor and 41% from the arc as he's gotten more comfortable in the offense. His FG% on the season has actually risen above George Hill's. But that doesn't fit the narrative we're trying to push here, so...

Last edited by Kstat; 12-13-2013 at 06:52 AM.

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Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

For the record, on December 13th, 2012, the Pacers were 11-11 and the Knicks were 17-5.

Let's say the Pistons turn Monroe and pieces into a wing who can shoot and they really hit their stride. I could see them beating up the Heat inside and getting to the ECF. Not saying it's probable but who expected the Pacers in December of last year to almost make the finals?

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

Detroit is probably right where they should be with a 10-13 record. Josh Smith is a career 46% FG shooter. I have a hard time believing that he'll maintain a 39% average all season. It will inevitably improve.

Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings aren't going to lead them to the ECF's, but they are far better signings than Ben Gordon/Charlie V.

Detroit has a realistic chance at finishing around .500. So far they have had a reasonably successful season by the realistic standards that should have been placed on them before the season.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

I've said it before but after seeing him in some games this season, I'm pleasantly surprised by how willing Jennings is to share the ball. Many of them were really good assists as well. In total contrast to what we were used to see with him up to last season with the Bucks.

Re: Bumped: Josh Smith agrees to $56 million deal with Pistons

Kstat, how many thousands of FTs should Drummond practice in the off season?

I was watching the game against the Heat in Miami where you won and I felt kinda sad about him missing those. Now that's really weird cause I take pleasure when I see Dwight missing them or even Shaq in the past (despite being one of my favourite players ever). Maybe it was because I saw how hard he was working on both ends and how good he was. I honestly hope he gets way better at them but I won't hold my breath.