Even before the season starts they find a way to remove themselves from being competitive.

2 wins.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.

municipalmutt wrote:Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.

And now its looking like Richardson is having knee issues. Out for the first preseason game.

Even if Lerner didn't put the restriction on moving the team, really who would take them?

If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.

If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

municipalmutt wrote:Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.

Huh?

Taylor is out 6-10 weeks. Not indefinite.

Fujita is suspended for a handful of games and is still in the process of appealing the suspsension. Fujita barely played last year.

Gocong is the definition of mediocrity. Getting fired up that he's out for a year is like getting fired up that the cookie store is out of chocolate chip cookies forcing you to get chocolate chocolate chip cookies.

Haden's secondary test still hasn't occurred per all sources so give it a little bit before completely freaking out. Also he can appeal which should allow him to at least start the season.

Richardson is more than likely going to be able to play day one.

Taylor and Haden are the two guys you worry about and one only misses at most 1/4 of the season while the other might be back by the half-way point. They drafted guys that should be able to help keep the DL from getting overrun and there will almost certainly be good CB/LBs on the waiver wire that can at least reduce the impact of the loss of Haden/Fujita/Cogong.

If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.

If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

"Pfffft, doctor's orders Roger dude."

To have a prescription for Adderall and NOT notify the league is more dumb than failing 2 drug tests.

There is no way this is for Adderall. Adderall is just the new "in" drug that players are copping to to soften the PR blow. This is, I believe, the 3rd failed test for "Adderall" in the last month by an NFL player.

And since he's facing suspension, this means it's his second failed test. I tell ya, we only draft geniuses in Cleveland.

If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.

If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

"Pfffft, doctor's orders Roger dude."

To have a prescription for Adderall and NOT notify the league is more dumb than failing 2 drug tests.

There is no way this is for Adderall. Adderall is just the new "in" drug that players are copping to to soften the PR blow. This is, I believe, the 3rd failed test for "Adderall" in the last month by an NFL player.

And since he's facing suspension, this means it's his second failed test. I tell ya, we only draft geniuses in Cleveland.

Banned substances are automatic 4 game suspensions, not like drugs. That said, you are 100% right on the Adderall PR scheme as the NFL does not confirm or denial. The agent and player can control the communication. Aderall makes it easy.

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not clearly defined or determined; not precise or exact: an indefinite boundary; an indefinite date in the future.

So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.

municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.

So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.

Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.

So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.

Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

rk wrote:And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.

I would say that was a poor assessment of how Gocong played the last 5 games or so - all 5, not just one series of 1 - but it's yours to have.

municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.

So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.

Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.

You really like to cherry pick don't you? The entire point, that seems to elude you, is that it would be nice once JUST FUCKING ONCE to go into the start of a season healthy and lose the snake-bit feeling at the start of every year.

rk wrote:And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.

I would say that was a poor assessment of how Gocong played the last 5 games or so - all 5, not just one series of 1 - but it's yours to have.

Concur with Hiko. To me, the change came when Long Duc Cong went to SSOLB. he never did generate WS pass rush and was more lost in space than Dr. Smith. He was much better suited there to me before his career ended. We may as well be debating Jamir Miller's contributions now, though.

You do realize that Gocong was slated to play WSLB this season, right? Which means at best the coaches think his play last year was beneath what they would get from Fujita.

He is a reactive player without the ability to make an impact. At his peak you have someone who is capable of filling a position. On a good 4-3 team he is not starting at WSLB or SSLB. He's great depth because he's capable of filling multiple roles but not capable of being very good in any one role. He is slow, can't beat most OL one-on-one, and tends to need help bringing down bigger backs although he is usually in position to stop them.

And they never should have let Miller go. HOF. Or Chris Palmer for that matter. ;)

rk wrote:You do realize that Gocong was slated to play WSLB this season, right? Which means at best the coaches think his play last year was beneath what they would get from Fujita.

He is a reactive player without the ability to make an impact. At his peek you have someone who is capable of filling a position. On a good 4-3 team he is not starting at WSLB or SSLB. He's great depth because he's capable of filling multiple roles but not capable of being very good in any one role.

And they never should have let Miller go. HOF. Or Chris Palmer for that matter. ;)

I'm not sure that the Browns weren't intending to use the first 3 games to make sure that whomever was playing the Will could handle it before making Gocong's move to the Sam permanent.

Also not sure that the Will is any less important than the Sam, so you get your (perceived) best 3 players on the field, even if it means moving the (perceived) better player back to Will.

Could there have been some bad journalism on this one? Maybe he did indeed fail a test, but maybe he hadn't failed a test previously? Or maybe the four games wasn't as cut and dry as it was made to seem?

Or maybe they are just waiting to Sunday morning during warmups to announce this, to mess with us the most.