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I doubt it will ever happen anyway though.....but of course it doesn't matter cause it really is retarded.

It is.

Basically it's like asking 10,000 people if they believe vampires are real... and 1% saying yes they do. Using truther logic they must be real if 1% believe it.

I watched a youtube video (it's gone now though) where some idiot ranted on about vampires being real because he was apparently attacked by one. Obviously insane but using truther logic it must be true, it's on yuuuutube!

__________________I see that the No-Planers still travel Air Elastic-Band with their fleet of innovative rubber Boeings.

They won't ever reach 0.1% or likely even 0.01% of people with relevent skill sets. most Architects know little of steel frame high rise construction and even most engineers would only have the basics.

Basically it's like asking 10,000 people if they believe vampires are real... and 1% saying yes they do. Using truther logic they must be real if 1% believe it.

I watched a youtube video (it's gone now though) where some idiot ranted on about vampires being real because he was apparently attacked by one. Obviously insane but using truther logic it must be true, it's on yuuuutube!

Right.....well I use the "1%" to demonstrate just how much of a minority the truthers are....

1% being a milestone is actually quite pathetic, since that means 99% DIDN'T sign the stupid petition....

At this rate they will not have 1% 20 years after 9/11....or even 50 years after 9/11.....

1% should make it obvious to them just how ridiculously in the minority they really are

They won't ever reach 0.1% or likely even 0.01% of people with relevent skill sets. most Architects know little of steel frame high rise construction and even most engineers would only have the basics.

Basically it's like asking 10,000 people if they believe vampires are real... and 1% saying yes they do. Using truther logic they must be real if 1% believe it.

Not quite. Using truther logic, vampires must be real if 1% sign a petition saying they exist, and less than 1% then sign a petition saying they don't.

Dave

__________________Me: So what you're saying is that, if the load carrying ability of the lower structure is reduced to the point where it can no longer support the load above it, it will collapse without a jolt, right?

Would you laugh also, when richard gage in 2006 would say in 4 years time, i will have 1500plus architects and engineers on my side?

Yes i think

Marokkaan.....haven't you ever had this conversation with yourself....

Marokkaan: "Why do you think we don't even have 1% of the worlds experts after 10 years?"

Marokkaan: "I'm not sure Marokkaan....our evidence is so strong."

Marokkaan: "Do you think we need to publish more peer reviewed articles in professional journals?"

Marokkaan: "Nah...we don't need those journals....they are all controlled by the establishment.....just a bunch of shill journals. Well, except for Bentham of course. Youtube videos are just as good as peer reviewed articles."

Marokkaan: "Do you think maybe the experts just aren't convinced by the youtube videos"?

Marokkaan: "Dont be ridiculous....our youtube videos and presentations would convince any sane thinking person....those experts are either scared of losing their government jobs or are shills."

Marokkaan: "But we are talking about the vast majority of the worlds experts here...could they really all be scared of losing their jobs or shills?"

Marokkaan: "Well..not all....some are likely just stupid sheeple."

Marokkaan: "Why does the argument always come to this....calling people liars, shills, or sheeple? Are we so sure that maybe it's not our EVIDENCE that is the problem?"

Marokkaan: "What are you saying Marokkaan? Careful....you are sounding an awful lot like them!"

Marokkaan: "I'm just wondering if maybe....just maybe.....we need to rethink why the vast majority of the worlds experts (and people in general) think we are totally crazy.....maybe we are just wrong."

Marokkaan: "BUSTED! I had a feeling that you were actually a government plant! SHILL!"

Would you laugh also, when richard gage in 2006 would say in 4 years time, i will have 1500plus architects and engineers on my side?

Yes i think

He doesn't! That's a fraudulent number.

__________________Heiwa - 'Anyone suggesting that part C structure can one-way crush down part A structure is complicit to mass murder!'
000063 - 'Problem with the Truthers' theories is that anyone with enough power to pull it off doesn't need to in the first place.'
mrkinnies 'I'm not a no-planer' 'I don't believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon'

Top 7 reasons AE911Truth is a fraudulent effort....
Here's their current website. Note the following:
'WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:'

1. Rapid onset of collapse False. The onset required 7 or 8 seconds of internal collapse, much of the structure was already destroyed b4 the facade finally fell.

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction Complete hearsay, not supported by any video or audio evidence we have.

3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration - unsupported by any proper scientific measures. Infact the progressive collapse was asymmetrical, starting on the E side and progressing West. thru the path of LEAST resistance (ie the weakest structure). Only a tiny portion of the overall collapse took place at 'free-fall', yet AE911Truth makes no mention of this. This is essentially pure deception on their part.

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint False - unless its footprint included adjacent buildings, Fiterman Hall and the Verizon Bldg, and two streets. Over $1 billion damage was done to other buildings within WTC 7's footprint (according to AE911Truth! Their words)

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds Dishonest attempt to conflate the dust with some exotic, hot process which is unsupported by any evidence at all. The word 'pyroclastic' has no place here, except to misinform - else why do they back away from just calling it pyroclastic, not 'pyroclastic-like'? And since when (ie never) do CD's produce pyroclastic clouds????? Well, Mr. Gage?? Well??

6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional Who looked at a silent video for 5 minutes, and did not perform a detailed analysis. At best this is highly misleading, at worst it's basically fraudulent. The fact is that America's top demolition experts found the opposite - AE911Truth is too dishonest to mention this fact.

7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY - this is one of the scummiest parts of their disinformation campaign - to malign NYPD and FDNY by implying they were 'in on it'.

AE911Truth is pushing a fraudulent set of 'facts', and attempting to pin a lot of it on first responders. That's about as low as you can go......

This is a failed organization for failed ideas. Nothing more.

__________________Heiwa - 'Anyone suggesting that part C structure can one-way crush down part A structure is complicit to mass murder!'
000063 - 'Problem with the Truthers' theories is that anyone with enough power to pull it off doesn't need to in the first place.'
mrkinnies 'I'm not a no-planer' 'I don't believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon'

According to AE911Truth, the massive conspiracy to murder Americans was carried out in part by:

The media
FDNY
NYPD

In their own words 'Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY'

There IS NO OTHER interpretation of this statement but that Richard Gage and his organization are accusing first responders of being part of the conspiracy. The 'evidence' behind this accusation is a flimsy as the rest of Gage's CONspiracy Dog and Pony Show, and he has the temerity to fly all over the world infecting people's minds with his malicious brand of conspiramongering.

Just think: while FDNY professionals correctly figured out that WTC 7 would probably collapse, they are rewarded for this competence by being accused of being part of a conspiracy to destroy it. That's the kind of lowlife gutter-trolling mind that is informing the '9/11 Truth' movement.

Gage may have the appearance of a civilized, affable person, but his thoughts are low, dark and evil. His 'charisma' does not fool me for a second. He is a con man in the classic sense of the word.

__________________Heiwa - 'Anyone suggesting that part C structure can one-way crush down part A structure is complicit to mass murder!'
000063 - 'Problem with the Truthers' theories is that anyone with enough power to pull it off doesn't need to in the first place.'
mrkinnies 'I'm not a no-planer' 'I don't believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon'

One thing I find really REALLY irritating (as an EE) is that STUPID phrase "the path of least resistance". I have asked truthers about this before and they try to use ELECTRICITY as an example (even KNOWING I am an EE).

I try explaining to them....electrical current doesn't *really* take the path of least resistance (otherwise parallel circuits wouldn't work the way they do) it actually takes every available path.....

Without going into this topic any deeper than that....I have tried and tried to explain this concept to them....but it's like they aren't registering my arguments or something. I can correct them 100 times and they just merrily repeat the same error as if I never said anything at all.

1. Rapid onset of collapse This is not a feature that distinguishes CD from natural collapse. It is not even clear what is meant by this. What's the alternative? Would it look less suspicious if the building started to collapse gradually? Why?

3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration This is not a feature that distinguishes CD from natural collapse. Both CDs and natural collapses can occur either symmetrically or asymmetrically.

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint This is not a feature that distinguishes CD from natural collapse. In fact, most CDs are not meant to land in the building footprint. Both CDs and natural collapses can occur either into the footpint or not.

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds This is not a feature that distinguishes CD from natural collapse. All collapses of large buildings, both CD and natural, that contain large amounts of concrete and gypsum will exhibit great volumes of massively expanding dust clouds. None of these are pyroclastic.

7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY This is not a feature that distinguishes CD from natural collapse. Natural events can be predicted, too.

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