Even in pro-gun states, bid to arm teachers stalls

In this Feb. 21 file photo, a girl waves at police officer Jeff Strack as he walks the hallway of Jordan Elementary School in Jordan, Minn., a small town that decided to place satellite police offices in its public schools.¦ The Associated Press

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JEFFERSON CITY — When a gunman killed 26 children and staff at a Connecticut grade school, Missouri state Rep. Mike Kelley quickly proposed legislation that would allow trained teachers to carry hidden guns into the classroom as a "line of defense" against attackers.

Similar bills soon proliferated in Republican-led states as the National Rifle Association called for armed officers in every American school.

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Cori Sorensen, a fourth-grade teacher from Highland Elementary School in Highland, Utah, receives firearms training with a .357 magnum from personal defense instructor Jim McCarthy on Dec. 27 in West Valley City, Utah, where teachers and administrators are allowed to bring guns to school.

Yet less than four months later, the quest to put guns in schools has stalled in many traditionally gun-friendly states after encountering opposition from educators, reluctance from some governors and ambivalence from legislative leaders more focused on economic initiatives.

The loss of momentum highlights how difficult it can be to advance any gun legislation, whether to adopt greater restrictions or expand the rights to carry weapons.

Since the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., legislators in at least four states — Connecticut, Colorado, Maryland and New York — have passed significant gun-control measures. The Newtown attack came less than five months after a gunman killed 12 people and injured 70 at a Colorado movie theater.

So far, South Dakota is the only state to respond with a new law allowing school personnel to carry guns into elementary and high schools. Similar legislation is awaiting the governor's signature in Kansas. And Arkansas has enacted a new law allowing colleges to let staff with concealed gun permits bring their weapons on campus.

But Kelley has shelved legislation that would have let Missouri school staff carry firearms if they have concealed gun permits. His legislation never received a public hearing even though he is a House majority whip responsible for rallying Republican support for bills.

Kelley, an NRA member, tried to cast the bill's demise in a positive light.

"It's done the No. 1 thing that I wanted, and that's to bring awareness to schools about some of their safety issues," he said.

House Speaker Tim Jones vowed this past week that Missouri's Republican supermajorities would still pass some sort of pro-gun measure this year. But it's unlikely to involve arming teachers.

In Oklahoma, where pro-firearms measures usually get a warm reception from lawmakers, gun-rights advocates faced an uphill battle against educators opposed to any effort to allow guns in schools. A bill letting schools develop policies for arming trained employees died in the Senate Education Committee.

"As a rule, it's very difficult to find educators and administrators that support the idea of putting arms in the schools, for whatever reason," said Rep. Steve Martin, chairman of the Oklahoma House Public Safety Committee.

After opposition from education groups, the North Dakota Senate defeated a bill last month that would have let people with permits bring their weapons into schools. And the New Hampshire House rejected legislation that would have let local school districts seek voter approval for their personnel to carry guns.

"The chances an armed teacher will hit a child are high," Dean Michener, of the New Hampshire School Boards Association, told lawmakers earlier this year.

When NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called for armed school officers, he warned that gun-free schools "tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk." His message carried extra heft because many lawmakers in the more than two dozen Republican-controlled states are NRA members.

The NRA did not respond to request for comment about the state response to its proposal.

In some states, Republican governors have put the damper on legislative efforts to place guns in schools.

Just days after the Newtown shooting, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed legislation letting concealed weapon permit holders — including teachers — carry guns in schools because there was no provision for local school districts to opt out.

"Decisions that are nearest and dearest to our hearts ought to be made by parents and local school officials," Pence told reporters.

Some states such Texas and Utah already allow teachers and administrators to bring guns to school, though the practice is not common. Just three Texas school boards have granted permission for concealed guns, said state Sen. Dan Patrick, a Houston Republican who is sponsoring legislation to train armed teachers for classroom gunfights.

In Minnesota, where the gun debate is on hold at the Capitol, the small town of Jordan recently decided to place satellite police offices in its public schools. The intent was that the mere presence of police would deter any would-be attackers.

Some ardent guns-rights supporters remain hopeful that stalled legislation still can pass this year.

Texas Rep. Dan Flynn, a Republican co-author of a bill allowing guns on college campuses, said opposition from public universities and big cities has so far kept the measure from coming to a vote. But the Legislature doesn't adjourn until Memorial Day.

"This is still Texas," Flynn said. "And in Texas, the Second Amendment is right up there with mother, God and apple pie."

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Statistically, we are past the threshold of 10,000 more gun deaths nationwide since the Newtown tragedy. Yes. Ten thousand more firearms deaths already. 115 days. Appalling.

Remember, about 55% of firearms deaths are suicides. The single most common use of a gun is self-harm. So much for the idea they make owners safer. 2nd on the list is domestic violence. Again, not exactly making the members of that gun-owning household safer. And, of course, no shortage of tragedies cited above.

More guns in schools just means more gun problems in schools. The culture that produces 10,000 gun deaths in 115 days out on the streets will most certainly cast the same shadow in schools if guns are allowed to populate there.

The educators know this. That's why they are resisting. Good for them, I support them in their efforts to limit guns in schools. A safety officer or two, depending on size, and that's it.

They are having a big gun argument in the "other" paper. Some folks think that if a gun is stolen and used to hurt an innocent, the person from whom the gun was stolen should have some legal liability.

No one has asked "What is the owner's liability if someone steals an unlocked car and subsequently kills an innocent with that car?"

Or a 4-wheeler? Or lawnmower? Or kitchen knife? Or prescription meds?

Apparently, guns are different to these folks.

But I surely don't see the differences in logic unless, of course, the logic is pretzeled and subject to personal whims and agendas.

Personally, I prefer to punish the "first cause" which, in these cases, is the dumbass who stole that which was not his/hers.

MW - "Some folks think that if a gun is stolen and used to hurt an innocent, the person from whom the gun was stolen should have some legal liability."

Were you able to note, that though repeatedly asked why she thought, not reporting a stolen gun was any sort of a problem, anywhere in the country she ignored the questions, provided no evidence, but continued her assertion that honest gun owners if accused of such an "infraction" should be prosecuted by law. Another liberal attempt to create problems, where none exist, from one who believes "old white men" are source of our historic, problems.

Seems to me the only thing we've established with these continuing "rounds" of firarms discussions is that Derrick doesn't like guns. To the extent that some of those guns were designed specifically for military use, I'm not overly fond of them either.

Derrick has every right to dislike guns, and to voice his dislike of guns, but neither he nor anyone else PRESENTLY has the right to tell me whether I may own a gun or guns, or what sort of firearms I can or should own. I'd prefer that it remain so.

Unlike some of our citizens, I sleep better knowing we have a significant number of firearms in civilian hands. There is no evidence I've seen that the majority of gun owners aren't responsible (the key word obvuiosly being "majority").

Derrick, what about the chronically-underreported cases where defensive use of a gun results in a person and/or property being protected from a criminal? How many inferred "good" uses of a gun occur daily that almost no one hears about?