Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>> At 3:21 PM -0800 11/5/02, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
> >It's pretty sad when rads like me have to stand up for liberal principles.
>> Isn't it always rads who stand up for liberal principles in crisis?
> Left to liberals alone, there would be no liberal democracy.
> --

These threads on the anti-war movement hover around the old distinction
between reform and revolution, but I don't think that is (directly) the
relevant distinction. The distinction is between a direct persuasion of
the rulers to be nice (the door-to-door canvassing Nathan has in mind is
for the DP) and those who see the necessity of a mass movement separated
from the DP/RP apparatus. And as Lenin often implicitly noted,
revolutionaries make better reformers than reformers do. You and I can
get along with Justin because, despite his adamant refusal of
revolution, he _thinks_ like a revolutionary when he thinks about mass
struggle.

Anarchists of the Chuck0 persuasion think a lot like Nathan: they want
to affect the state apparatus directly. That part of WITBD reads as
fresh today as it did in 1902 -- the unity of opportunists and
terrorists.