You birthers still trying to beat this dead horse? Wow, you guys really are fuckin' retarded.

With all of the evidence out there, you guys still are trying to hold your own court over this non-issue. As said prior, there have multiple judges that have reviewed this information, dem leaders, gop leaders, the hospital, a newspaper article from 50 years ago. Yet, you guys are still saying "look at ze pixxuls, they r phorged".

The depth of your want to discredit our current president is unreal. You guys really want Biden as President that bad?

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Originally Posted by ScotchAndCigar

I've asked you the same thing 3 times now.

Based on the way this debate is not progressing, due to a lack of rational responsiveness from your side, I would strongly suggest that our side says "Mission Accomplished" and resigns from this thread.

This entire topic is preposterous. Both of Obama's parents were in Hawaii when he was born, and there's no indication that Barack was ever in Kenya, so why is this even an issue? Think of any other presidential candidate who had his birth certificate publicly examined, and then rationalize why this president, and only this president, should have a forensic analysis done on his birth certificate. Just think to yourself, because I personally don't need to hear your answer, or continue this stupid exchange with you people.

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Originally Posted by mikeinsf

Scotch, 11, you guys have far more patience for these lunatics than I do. Their bad relationship with facts and the truth is pathological, and nothing is going to change that. They'll never accept anything about Obama because they hate his guts. They'll misrepresent themselves say they're just "searching for the truth". Yeah, what a crock of bullshit, and they've raised shoveling bullshit to an art form.

To quote Scottwww from a 2009 post... "The guy is a commie and a fraud. Be relentless. Remember how it was for GWB? And Ronald Reagan? It was brutal on anything and everything even with the complicity of the popular media."

That's who you're dealing with, and nothing you can or will ever say will satisfy them. They're disingenuous liars with scores to settle.

To quote Scottwww from a 2009 post... "The guy is a commie and a fraud. Be relentless. Remember how it was for GWB? And Ronald Reagan? It was brutal on anything and everything even with the complicity of the popular media.".

Thanks for the quote! I really like that. Unfortunately the media still is in a love fest with Obama.

We need to be relentless. The crowd that bushwacked GWB showed us how it is done. Let's make sure that Obama doesn't fare any better. Let's take him down in 2012.

But one thing that may not work for me in this goal is that whatever candidate I support will not win. It looks like that will be the task of the Republicans. On the whole, I don't think McCain would have been any better than Obama. They are cut from the same cloth, just a different pattern is seen on each side.

It took me awhile to get around to it, but I listed/watched these two videos. What can me made of them? Is there a smoking gun? It doesn't look like much to go on compared to many other controversies that have been discussed for years. But the second video turned out to be more interesting than the first. Whether it is some exceptionally strange coincidence, or what, who can say... but it is interesting.

What the name Harry Bounel has to do with anything may have a bit of clarity in the first video.

More than anything, the first video is rather funny how they talk about the street thug. No matter how a dislike the guy, some of that language is not what I would use. At least not without more to go on...

Handling of the case of this guys illegitimacy is better with a more investigative tone to determine what got this guy into the Whitehouse.

Yep.
Yep.
Uh oh! I think you may have hit the nail on the head. Do you really think he would be called Muslim, terrorist, socialist and his birth cert questioned if he weren't black? Its all a plot by some to make him seem foreign and un-American. And many have eaten it up.

Its embarrassing. But some positives can be taken from this. One is that it will encourage me to always remind my son (who is 3) that he has to be better than his white counterparts because he will be judged with a different set of criteria.

In closing, I'd love to do a study correlating the views of Obama's citizenship crossed with one's general views on diversity and race. I bet the data would be interesting...

I must have missed it... What was the logical explanation the Obama supporters (or anyone) gave for this?

It's so obvious what that the part of the image in that red circle represents that it isn't even worth mentioning. Anyone who has ever photocopied anything in a book is familiar with it. Logical explanation, please. It's obvious what that is.

Apparently these clever guys on the BMW forum were able to figure out something that Hillary Clinton's research team couldn't.

Yes, and I've also learned that Harvard Law has lousy professors, and that graduating magna cum laude from there makes you an idiot. There's no limit to how one can be enlightened by these deep-thinking forum posters. Oh, and Scotwww has all the answers - just do what he recommends and everything will be better.

Perhaps Sarah Palin had it right, attending five crappy colleges to earn a single degree.

It's so obvious what that the part of the image in that red circle represents that it isn't even worth mentioning. Anyone who has ever photocopied anything in a book is familiar with it. Logical explanation, please. It's obvious what that is.

Seriously, you're ridiculous.

Except its not a book smart ass!!

Go ahead and duplicate same effect with any scanner, and post the results here as i did.

Do yourself a favor and read up gutter shadow, and gutter shadow correction. That's what you see in Obama's birth certificate scan. It was the result of the birth certificate being in a bound volume. I'm not going to go scan something just to prove to you something that you were too lazy to research for yourself.

Do yourself a favor and read up gutter shadow, and gutter shadow correction. That's what you see in Obama's birth certificate scan. It was the result of the birth certificate being in a bound volume. I'm not going to go scan something just to prove to you something that you were too lazy to research for yourself.

Its not a book, its one page that has flat edges all around but is folded in the middle and has a cut in top going from left side to right side where the fold starts.
How dificult is it to scan one flat page???

You need to take a look at the entire birth certificate on whitehouse.gov.

It's so obvious what that the part of the image in that red circle represents that it isn't even worth mentioning. Anyone who has ever photocopied anything in a book is familiar with it. Logical explanation, please. It's obvious what that is.

Seriously, you're ridiculous.

Really now... How do you get the border around the "book" that appears to be flat on the platten? There is no way this could occur with one page, or a book. Look just a little more closely and you should be able to see what is wrong with the image... unless you can't see past your blinders.

We are waiting for your logical explanation, not dismissal.

BTW: I have done a lot of scanning. Not that it matters, but I used to work as a team lead in engineering for a major scanner manufacturer (a company that is well known to all). To see the problem in the image, should not take any expertise. I could still be wrong, but I don't see it.

I don't know if this will help you to see the problem with the image... But it is an attempt to clarify the nature of the problem with the image. I have changed the color of the border. That border could only come from a separate piece of paper or from doing some image editing to add the border after the scan.

If it were one flat piece of paper with a cut that allowed the paper to curl up when scanning with the platten cover off, then you would have a black area to the left of the curled up part of the page. Also, you might expect the horizontal black lines to continue at least some distance past the cut. You would expect the pen marks at the far left of the curled part to not abruptly end at the cut, because certainly those marks would have been made with the border in place if it was one sheet.

How do you get a border like that when scanning a single sheet? You can't .

Whoemever produced this scan did the impossible even if you proposed that this was two pieces of paper, with one being just the border piece. Look at how perfectly aligned the green pattern is to the pattern on the certificate where there would be a slit at the top of the birth certificate document.

What reasonable explanation is there for this other than the image was altered after scanning in a way that OCR cannot possibly explain.

Still waiting for the analysis of those who believe there is not a problem with the scan.

To make sure the last point is perfectly clear for those who would ignore it, even if this were two pieces of paper with one of them being the border (ash shaded yellow in one of the previous examples) then it would be nearly impossible for perfect alignnment of the green pattern. At the least, you would expect there to be an offset from the border to the page (something like the attachment here). And really, this is not taking it far enough as how would the cut of the border piece have not been off by at least a fraction of an inch in the vertical direction compared to interrupt the even pattern?

You might also expect there to be some difference in the shade of green due to aged paper versus newer paper. Perhaps the green pattern and the border were added with image editing after the initial scan? That would make more sense than this is an authentic single scanned image which appears to be an impossibility.

Thanks KGB7 for having been the one to find this problem with the scan. It wasn't mentioned in the youtube videos. Was this your original work? Or has it been discussed somewhere else?