Rob Kall: Okay,
so, we lost the signal and now we're back. I wanted to talk about what you
described as your weak sense of self, what's that about? You there?

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M.E. Thomas: Yes.

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Rob Kall: Okay.
So, we're back in the recording. I wanted to talk about your weak sense of self
that you've described. What, what's that about?

M.E. Thomas: You know
to me, a weak sense of self is that I have a very fluid sense of self. I don't
really identify, or even really think about myself in terms of, you know I am
female, or I am this particular race, or this particular age, or even religion,
Mormon, or a law professor or smart. I don't, I don't necessarily spend a lot
of time thinking about myself, and in terms of how, what I do or say reflects
on my concept of self.

Rob Kall: Okay. I
was talking to a friend of mine about this interview, he's kind of a Jungian approach kind of guy, and
he predicted that you, that sociopaths don't have much of a sense of self. And
in a sense it's almost like they have no, they have little super ego and a lot
of id, that their shadow is, is what is expressed. Way more than the average
empath or other person, non sociopaths. Any thoughts about that?

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M.E. Thomas: That
sounds right. I, I'm not, it sounds like as knowledgeable about these things.
But that, that basically sounds right.

Rob Kall: Do you
have anything to say about it? What about the shadow part?

M.E. Thomas: The
shadow part, yeah you could say shadow part. I mean, I, I kind of don't
understand a little bit what its like to feel the other way about things. I
think that to a large extent, even being able to identify that I have a weak
sense of self, you know how do I know that about myself. I think it's because I
notice that it's very easy for me to be a chameleon. You know it's very easy
for me to adapt to other people, and to you know, let's say in a sort of
friendly seduction type way, for me to become the person that the other person
wants to see, to be a mirror. It's not difficult to do those sorts of things.

Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect,
connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media.

He's given talks and workshops to Fortune
500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered
first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and
Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful
people on his Bottom Up Radio Show,
and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and
opinion sites, OpEdNews.com

more detailed bio:

Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.