EVIL YOSHI -
The WNBA is like watching boys junior varsity basketball. It's the highest level, and it's slow and boring. Don't know how you can make it more exciting, but....I'll be a hater until you do. You can only show so many fast breaks and three pointers on Sportscenter.

Stop with the stupid analogy of Basketball and MMA. They are not even the same beast. Anaheim crowd erupted in cheers when Rousey got in the position for arm bar. WMMA got traction at least for now. They still have long way to go. And who knows, maybe WMMA in UFC will fizzle and die by 2015. But UFC 157 was a good start in preventing that from happening.

cyberc92 - Dana is a hyprocrite because now he is trying to judge others for the very same views he once held that were only recently changed due to money.

I am sure if there was no Ronda around that Dana would not give a shit about women except for the ones carrying around the ring cards.

I don't care either way for WMMA but I do have a problem when perennial top 10 fighters like Fitch are cut to make room for them.

He's not forcing anyone to do or think anything. Just doesn't agree with hateful sexist statements, but if you don't like the sport then don't have to watch that simple. Just don't have to be hateful and say nasty things like women shouldn't be able to compete and whatnot

Dana doesn't agree with hateful sexist statements...

What about the one's that come from his own mouth, like when he called Loretta Hunt a "cunt"?

So now he's all for WMMA he's a modern day Andrea Dworkin (they do kinda look alike) and a champion for women's rights?

Any woman who looks up to Dana must have some pretty bad self esteem issues.

Just to be fair, I'm about 95% sure Dana White called Loretta Hunt a "fucking bitch", not a "cunt." Still hateful but not at the same level. Also, it's kind of sad if with all the hundreds of hours of videotape of this guy that's the most misogynistic thing he's ever said. He's already admitted he was wrong about women in the UFC and it appears they will be doing at least one full division now, so whatever.

ThugRose -
to those saying he's a hypocrite cause he knows it will make money. DUHHHHH it's a business he's making money so yes money talks. Is this a surprise to anyone? And is this such a crime? I think the ones calling him a hypocrite are the real hypocrites. To act like you wouldn't take any amount of money to go against something you said a long time ago is hypocritical either that or you're stupid. If someone told me ill give you a million dollars to say I like cheese when i hate it I'd do it in a heart beat!

Money talks?

Pls go n00b, Dana said its not about the cash anymore

He wants the sport to be as big as it can so thats why he was all over it, when he saw the potential women's MMa would bring

Just cause you want the cash it doesnt mean everybody else does

"Pls go n00b". Just out of curiosity, do actually know who the fuck you called a n00b?

WMMA will be in the ufc I'd say another 2 years......once ronda loses, and they can't market a she male like cyborg, they'll just get rid of this "divison".

What female sports are succesful? Tennis is the only one that comes to mind, and those girls carry the load. They don't have to be carried by nadal, or federer at an event which is what's happening in the ufc.

Have an all girl show, and see how pathetic the numbers would be. The american public didn't buy WNBA, they didn't buy womens soccer, or womens football (lol remember that? no?), this shit will flop as well.

The women just can't fight at the highest level of the sport. They're static rock em sock em robots, whose differences from the men are instantly apparent to the viewer. They don't circle, when they're hurt they turn their back and run away like it's a street fight lol. WMMA is just comical, no one is buying that these broads are "some of the best fighters in the world".

With that said I don't mind them being on the undercard, but the main event? Bullshit, I want to see fights at the highest levels of the sport. I am being robbed of a high level fight when one of these cans fill up a slot.

I don;t think it has anything to do with women's sports at all. The bar I was watching at had people make some good points, one I believe in as well. One woman was there in protest against violence against women and I agree. At least Rhonda doesn't beat her opponets up much, she generally just mainly twists their arm until they give up but seeing some of the girls get beaten to a pulp is difficult for me to watch and nothing at all that I find entertaining. I don't like ot see dog fighting either, where one or both animals get mauled. It just isn't appealing to me. Fortunately that hematoba on Liz's head wasn't too bad but it's still difficult for me to watch violence against females. Cyborg's fights are down right unwatchable for me, no sense in seeing a woman beaten like that when there are so many men out there you can watch being brutalized. I do find it funny as hell that Dana takes this stand and lashes out against those who feel the exact same way he is on record as to feeling just a few months ago. Funny guy.

So you have a problem with MMA in general, why the heck are you on the underground one of the biggest MMA forums on the Internet if you're not a fan of it? And to say that getting your arm broken isn't brutal or anything well...all I can say to that is come here let me put you in an armbar and say the same thing please

No problem with MMA what so ever. In fact, I'm a big fan and follow the sport closely. Not sure how you reached your simple minded conclusion but I digress.

I must admit you asking me to "let you" put me in an arm bar does sound cute but if you need me to "let you" what exactly will you prove about the move? Shouldn't you be able to get it on me even if I resist?

Question, why don't you challenge Matt Hughes or GSP to putting them in an arm bar, seeing as they both share my views on rather not seeing women beaten up?

This is thug roses first fight. Thugrose throws a jab, and what does her opponent do? She winces, instead of trying to block the shot, then engages her by closing that one eye, and doing some sort of standing hammer fist while running at her in the first few seconds of the fight.

Round 2 her opponent is telegraphing punches, jabbing at the air. In boxing one of the first things they teach you is to know your distance, know your reach. For you to know when you can, and cannot hit your opponents at all time. I don't know why she thinks rose will just walk into her jabs.

Instead of putting her weight behind her jab, and step into the jab, this broad lifts her foot, and slaps it down as if were a pro wrestling match.

I'm not sure what wmma's greatest fight is, or highest level of fight has been but i'll think it's probably carano vs cyborg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUG5fOOE8Vc

Carano does the same shit when cyborg engages her, cyborg throws a 1+2 combo, carano winces, shuts her eyes, and throws a big right hand, then covers up, and turns into a static punching bag.

Something about women fight's IMO that always happens, is that they freeze when they feel they're going to get hit. They wince, they close their eyes, and just stand there.

Look at 2:32, I think gina is trying to go for a knee bar, lol and cyborg just spints out of it, wtf is that?

There's just too many mistakes to point out, and Lol@carano defending ground and pound by turtling. She got hit, she froze, and turtled, because that's in her nature as a woman.

ThugRose -
SinCityHustler no one says she shouldn't have an opinion. I just dont understand how you can't stand the "violence" in MMA yet have an underground account??

Sweetie it isn't violence in MMA that I "can't stand" it's violence against women that is difficult for me to stomach. I'm not going to protest it, I'm not going to try to stop it, I just don't enjoy it.

This is thug roses first fight. Thugrose throws a jab, and what does her opponent do? She winces, instead of trying to block the shot, then engages her by closing that one eye, and doing some sort of standing hammer fist while running at her in the first few seconds of the fight.

Round 2 her opponent is telegraphing punches, jabbing at the air. In boxing one of the first things they teach you is to know your distance, know your reach. For you to know when you can, and cannot hit your opponents at all time. I don't know why she thinks rose will just walk into her jabs.

Instead of putting her weight behind her jab, and step into the jab, this broad lifts her foot, and slaps it down as if were a pro wrestling match.

I'm not sure what wmma's greatest fight is, or highest level of fight has been but i'll think it's probably carano vs cyborg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUG5fOOE8Vc

Carano does the same shit when cyborg engages her, cyborg throws a 1+2 combo, carano winces, shuts her eyes, and throws a big right hand, then covers up, and turns into a static punching bag.

Something about women fight's IMO that always happens, is that they freeze when they feel they're going to get hit. They wince, they close their eyes, and just stand there.

Look at 2:32, I think gina is trying to go for a knee bar, lol and cyborg just spints out of it, wtf is that?

There's just too many mistakes to point out, and Lol@carano defending ground and pound by turtling. She got hit, she froze, and turtled, because that's in her nature as a woman.

In many ways watching the fight on sat reminded me of watching gracie fight. Ronda just runnning in and grabbing the way royce used to (i know it wasn't quite as basic, she was at least throwing jabs) and carmouche didn't seem to have a clue how to defend such a blatent and basic rush. In fact goldie even stated that everyone that fights ronda knows whats comming but no one has a clue how to defend it.

Sure, gender aside, it was kind of entertaining (watching women hit each other isn't really my gig) but it was entertaining in the same way a kids soccer game is, plently of action 15-25 score but not exactly what you would call the pinnacle of the sport. Put it this way, can you imagine what would of happend if dan had tried to rush in like that on sat.

EVIL YOSHI -
The WNBA is like watching boys junior varsity basketball. It's the highest level, and it's slow and boring. Don't know how you can make it more exciting, but....I'll be a hater until you do. You can only show so many fast breaks and three pointers on Sportscenter.

Stop with the stupid analogy of Basketball and MMA. They are not even the same beast. Anaheim crowd erupted in cheers when Rousey got in the position for arm bar. WMMA got traction at least for now. They still have long way to go. And who knows, maybe WMMA in UFC will fizzle and die by 2015. But UFC 157 was a good start in preventing that from happening.

That isn't my point. He says 'woman's sports haters'. Some sports, like WMMA is very exciting and fun to watch. Other sports are so God awful bad I'll be a hater forever. I'll watch wmma, I'll never watch WNBA. You can't lump all the sports together, like if I don't like the wnba, I can't like anything women do. Wrong.

EVIL YOSHI -
The WNBA is like watching boys junior varsity basketball. It's the highest level, and it's slow and boring. Don't know how you can make it more exciting, but....I'll be a hater until you do. You can only show so many fast breaks and three pointers on Sportscenter.

Stop with the stupid analogy of Basketball and MMA. They are not even the same beast. Anaheim crowd erupted in cheers when Rousey got in the position for arm bar. WMMA got traction at least for now. They still have long way to go. And who knows, maybe WMMA in UFC will fizzle and die by 2015. But UFC 157 was a good start in preventing that from happening.

That isn't my point. He says 'woman's sports haters'. Some sports, like WMMA is very exciting and fun to watch. Other sports are so God awful bad I'll be a hater forever. I'll watch wmma, I'll never watch WNBA. You can't lump all the sports together, like if I don't like the wnba, I can't like anything women do. Wrong.

I guess I misread your post. This thread really became chaotic with the shrill tirades from both sides and I mixed up your post with other poster’s comment. Sorry about that.

But I think using the word ‘hater’ to describe your lack of interest for some women’s sports is too strong of a word. Just say you aren’t interested instead of saying “hater” when talking about yourself when it comes to women’s sports

ThugRose -
to those saying he's a hypocrite cause he knows it will make money. DUHHHHH it's a business he's making money so yes money talks. Is this a surprise to anyone? And is this such a crime? I think the ones calling him a hypocrite are the real hypocrites. To act like you wouldn't take any amount of money to go against something you said a long time ago is hypocritical either that or you're stupid. If someone told me ill give you a million dollars to say I like cheese when i hate it I'd do it in a heart beat!

Money talks?

Pls go n00b, Dana said its not about the cash anymore

He wants the sport to be as big as it can so thats why he was all over it, when he saw the potential women's MMa would bring

Just cause you want the cash it doesnt mean everybody else does

"Pls go n00b". Just out of curiosity, do actually know who the fuck you called a n00b?

someone with a /13 join dateIts obvious hes new to the game I've been around since UFC in London when BJ penn K0'ed carl Uno

I've Known Dana for a while and have done business with him, I dont think its Right for n00bs to talk smack on him as a person.

cyberc92 - Dana is a hyprocrite because now he is trying to judge others for the very same views he once held that were only recently changed due to money.

I am sure if there was no Ronda around that Dana would not give a shit about women except for the ones carrying around the ring cards.

I don't care either way for WMMA but I do have a problem when perennial top 10 fighters like Fitch are cut to make room for them.

He's not forcing anyone to do or think anything. Just doesn't agree with hateful sexist statements, but if you don't like the sport then don't have to watch that simple. Just don't have to be hateful and say nasty things like women shouldn't be able to compete and whatnot

Dana doesn't agree with hateful sexist statements...

What about the one's that come from his own mouth, like when he called Loretta Hunt a "cunt"?

So now he's all for WMMA he's a modern day Andrea Dworkin (they do kinda look alike) and a champion for women's rights?

Any woman who looks up to Dana must have some pretty bad self esteem issues.

No one said anyone looks up to him either as a matter of fact I don't even pay that much attention to that dude to even know he said anything like that. And so what I've called many people many bad names before depends what context it's in. Just sounds like people are crying to me.

Don_Dada - I don't think it's a hate, it's more like a lack of interest.

This. I'm not into amateur MMA either due to the lower level of skill. Same for WMMA. It is like watching teenage boys try to punch each other underwater.

This. For instance, holding a head and arm position for as long as Rousey did from side mount simply does not happen at the elite level. The best judoka or wrestler in men's elite mma would have been swept or had their back taken trying to do that for that long.

Have you fought before? I doubt it if not you have no fucking idea what is elite in fighting get out.

I love how this generation works. If you're not 100% in support of anything any woman does then you're a misogynistic piece of shit.

No. It's not malice, it's simply apathy.

Take your pills and live your own life, fuck.

No one is saying that. You're a pig if you say piggish things like get back in the kitchen, not if you simply aren't interested in the sport. If you don't like it it's fine just don't watch simple as that

Tell that to the countless people who immediately declare you a woman hater if you do anything except bow down to the greatness of wmma.

I'm a little bit tired of defending my lack of interest as anything other than simple apathy.

Also most of these people seem to be using the kitchen thing as a joke but I'm not one of them so I can't say for sure.

"He's not forcing anyone to do or think anything"

He is absolutely trying to shame people into paying for it. Buy it or you're a knuckle-dragging caveman. This tactic is all over now. UGBlog just used it in a recent article. People all over this site are posting it over and over. It's certainly not the case that "no one is saying that".

YOU are not saying that. But that's because you're a nice lady.

Okay well fair enough just like there is racism there is reverse racism or whatever the correct term is. Im sure there is plenty of that dealing with sexism. But you are right I am not saying that cause I am nice lol sometimes...

This is thug roses first fight. Thugrose throws a jab, and what does her opponent do? She winces, instead of trying to block the shot, then engages her by closing that one eye, and doing some sort of standing hammer fist while running at her in the first few seconds of the fight.

Round 2 her opponent is telegraphing punches, jabbing at the air. In boxing one of the first things they teach you is to know your distance, know your reach. For you to know when you can, and cannot hit your opponents at all time. I don't know why she thinks rose will just walk into her jabs.

Instead of putting her weight behind her jab, and step into the jab, this broad lifts her foot, and slaps it down as if were a pro wrestling match.

I'm not sure what wmma's greatest fight is, or highest level of fight has been but i'll think it's probably carano vs cyborg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUG5fOOE8Vc

Carano does the same shit when cyborg engages her, cyborg throws a 1+2 combo, carano winces, shuts her eyes, and throws a big right hand, then covers up, and turns into a static punching bag.

Something about women fight's IMO that always happens, is that they freeze when they feel they're going to get hit. They wince, they close their eyes, and just stand there.

Look at 2:32, I think gina is trying to go for a knee bar, lol and cyborg just spints out of it, wtf is that?

There's just too many mistakes to point out, and Lol@carano defending ground and pound by turtling. She got hit, she froze, and turtled, because that's in her nature as a woman.

i can only assume you are one of those people they have to cut a hole in the wall and airlift out to the hospital because your fat ass has physically merged with your couch

I don;t think it has anything to do with women's sports at all. The bar I was watching at had people make some good points, one I believe in as well. One woman was there in protest against violence against women and I agree. At least Rhonda doesn't beat her opponets up much, she generally just mainly twists their arm until they give up but seeing some of the girls get beaten to a pulp is difficult for me to watch and nothing at all that I find entertaining. I don't like ot see dog fighting either, where one or both animals get mauled. It just isn't appealing to me. Fortunately that hematoba on Liz's head wasn't too bad but it's still difficult for me to watch violence against females. Cyborg's fights are down right unwatchable for me, no sense in seeing a woman beaten like that when there are so many men out there you can watch being brutalized. I do find it funny as hell that Dana takes this stand and lashes out against those who feel the exact same way he is on record as to feeling just a few months ago. Funny guy.

So you have a problem with MMA in general, why the heck are you on the underground one of the biggest MMA forums on the Internet if you're not a fan of it? And to say that getting your arm broken isn't brutal or anything well...all I can say to that is come here let me put you in an armbar and say the same thing please

No problem with MMA what so ever. In fact, I'm a big fan and follow the sport closely. Not sure how you reached your simple minded conclusion but I digress.

I must admit you asking me to "let you" put me in an arm bar does sound cute but if you need me to "let you" what exactly will you prove about the move? Shouldn't you be able to get it on me even if I resist?

Question, why don't you challenge Matt Hughes or GSP to putting them in an arm bar, seeing as they both share my views on rather not seeing women beaten up?

Thanks for the insults but no offense taken its all love. I concluded that you have a problem with MMA because you don't like the bashing of the heads and what not I don't remember what your exact words were. By that logic you must not like when men or women get knocked out or pounded into a bloody pulp in any MMA fight but an arm bar is okay and not gruesome. Doesn't make much sense other than maybe pugilistic dimensia (however you spell it) is a scary thing ill give you that. Doesn't mean that it's any more scary for a woman to get pounded in the face though. Unless you're okay with double standards who knows.

ThugRose -
SinCityHustler no one says she shouldn't have an opinion. I just dont understand how you can't stand the "violence" in MMA yet have an underground account??

Sweetie it isn't violence in MMA that I "can't stand" it's violence against women that is difficult for me to stomach. I'm not going to protest it, I'm not going to try to stop it, I just don't enjoy it.

Fair enough as long as you know that it's just something you're uncomfortable with and not against and are for "live and let live" I'm down with that

ThugRose -
to those saying he's a hypocrite cause he knows it will make money. DUHHHHH it's a business he's making money so yes money talks. Is this a surprise to anyone? And is this such a crime? I think the ones calling him a hypocrite are the real hypocrites. To act like you wouldn't take any amount of money to go against something you said a long time ago is hypocritical either that or you're stupid. If someone told me ill give you a million dollars to say I like cheese when i hate it I'd do it in a heart beat!

I'll have to address this one point at a time.

"to those saying he's a hypocrite cause he knows it will make money..."

let's be clear: people are saying he is a hypocrite because he admonishes people for a holding a view that he himself held fairly recently. They believe his motivation was money, but that is not why he is being labelled a hypocrite.

"Is this a surprise to anyone?"

no, Dana has a long record of being a hypocrite.

"And is this such a crime?"

no, and I don't think anyone has suggested that it is.

"II think the ones calling him a hypocrite are the real hypocrites. To act like you wouldn't take any amount of money to go against something you said a long time ago is hypocritical either that or you're stupid."

the fact that other people may be willing to become hypocrites for the right amount of money in a hypothetical situation does not make them hypocrites to point out what Dana has actually done in real life. I would be willing to set a car on fire for a billion dollars: that doesn't mean I am a hypocrite to point out someone who is an actual arsonist.

"If someone told me ill give you a million dollars to say I like cheese when i hate it I'd do it in a heart beat!"

Man, you are missing out. There are some seriously delicious cheeses out there.

Don_Dada - I don't think it's a hate, it's more like a lack of interest.

This. I'm not into amateur MMA either due to the lower level of skill. Same for WMMA. It is like watching teenage boys try to punch each other underwater.

This. For instance, holding a head and arm position for as long as Rousey did from side mount simply does not happen at the elite level. The best judoka or wrestler in men's elite mma would have been swept or had their back taken trying to do that for that long.

Have you fought before? I doubt it if not you have no fucking idea what is elite in fighting get out.

The guy's posting above are correct.. lack of skill, speed, power, technique etc are all valid reason's to no be interested.

WMMA at the highest level is very much like watching Regional MMA for males, ULTIMATE CAGE MONSTERS 2 etc.

You don't have to be a fighter to know what you're talking about, has Greg Jackson ever fought before?

Are you seriously comparing the armchair warriors here to Greg Jackson? GTFO please and don't let the doorknob cornhole you on the way out

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