(01-04-2016 09:44 AM)WeAreTheCosmos Wrote: Things were changed. I feel that most of the changes were for the worse, but they were still pretty incredible movies.

The changes didn't really affect the overall story. It's not like they sent Frodo alone across middle earth with no witnesses, and then everybody was like "maybe God?" (Contact)..

Yes, they did affect the story.

"Important story elements were haphazardly changed. Jackson missed the main point of the entire tale by eliminating the actual ending."

Well, the ending in the book would have been really hard to make a movie scene from though IIRC? It was kinda a post WWII clean-up-the-festering-remnants-of-evil-and-rebuild thing, along with kicking Wormtongue out of the Shire, and then a looooooooooong wait, and then everyone fucks off to Grey havens and eventually to ... can't remember the name, but Elvish heaven basically. The book ending made me sad Especially Arwen dying.

I think those modifications in the movie are more or less understandable, the ones I can't forgive are the egregious bullshit ones. Like a cavalry charge started from within the castle? WTF kind of stupid tactics is that? And Boromir gets absolutely riddled with arrows and still can go toe to toe with a fuck-off hardcore Orc?

Actually that's my problem with most movies with military elements - not that I know much about the same - but the commanders in movies seem to come up with strategies about as logical as those that would be conceived by a constipated toddler trying to decide whether to pull down their shorts first or run to the loo first.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote: And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.

(01-04-2016 10:42 AM)morondog Wrote: Actually that's my problem with most movies with military elements - not that I know much about the same - but the commanders in movies seem to come up with strategies about as logical as those that would be conceived by a constipated toddler trying to decide whether to pull down their shorts first or run to the loo first.

Might I suggest 300: Rise of an Empire?

If you thought that the fight between Emperor Xerxes and King Leonidas was that of a galumphing oaf against a big dumb baby? This movie agrees with you.

It is the original's older and wiser stepbrother. While it really is an entirely superfluous followup, 300 didn't need a sequel, it is a better movie than the original. It's a lot of fun to see naval battles from this time in history, and our hero Themistocles (an every-man and senator, not a warrior king) relies upon clever tactics to hold his own against the many times larger Persian fleet.

I find LOTR to be mostly sad wit few shinning moments of happiness and awesomeness.

Also Arwen dies in the addendum A not book itself. It's indeed sad though.

(01-04-2016 10:42 AM)morondog Wrote: And Boromir gets absolutely riddled with arrows and still can go toe to toe with a fuck-off hardcore Orc?

If I remember right he was riddled with arrows in book too. It's just how the heroes die - defying the death to the last and not giving a damn about such things as wounds.

(01-04-2016 10:42 AM)morondog Wrote: Actually that's my problem with most movies with military elements - not that I know much about the same - but the commanders in movies seem to come up with strategies about as logical as those that would be conceived by a constipated toddler trying to decide whether to pull down their shorts first or run to the loo first.

Movies may try to hard but how many viewers would be able to tell that strategy used was really brilliant? I think it's easier to say that x was work of god like military genius than show how said x was such and risk that no one will be able to comprehend it.

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