heh, you are very correct about the contra-xxxx argument. And I was still
trying to keep that to a minimum in my previous post...
I think this "open" discussion it is very much irrational in the core, it
> is about an illusion of re-gaining control. That could be an important
> (U)SP.
Could you clarify?:
--Define core
--an illusion?
--how is it an important selling point?
Give the Linux-Asterisk-Openoffice-Firefox-Thunderbird - a.s.o. community a
> phone with the same philosophy so they can act consistently in their
> attitude towards Telco/IT.
What is a.s.o? Do you mean give
Linux-Asterisk-Openoffice-Firefox-Thunderbird a chance on the mobile
platform just as Word, Excel, Outlook?
And, I think the Neo would make a great IP phone while on a wireless
connection...
We do need to bring some more control back to the consumer's hands. Give
them more choices.
Thanks!
Kyle Bassett
On 7/22/07, Martin Straub <mokostraub at inode.at> wrote:
>> Kyle Bassett schrieb:
>> The Neo1973 phone and OpenMoko software are two different solutions. The
> Neo is a solution for a closed-hardware phone. As of right now (Phase 1), it
> is a developer's phone. Developers do not have to run OpenMoko on it, they
> could run whatever piece of software they see fit as long as they write it.
> I think the Neo is a gateway, the premiere, for an open-hardware
> alternative.
>> OpenMoko is the solution for a closed-software phone. If someone can get
> OpenMoko to run on the device they have, those individuals are free to
> develop any software they see fit that will run in the OpenMoko environment.
>> So, who is our (current) audience? The Neo has a high appeal from the
> hardware hackers, the debuggers, the core software programmers, and also
> those who want to jump head first into the world of a completely open
> system. OpenMoko has appeal from virtually any individual that is aggravated
> by the software running on their mobile devices or has a niche need which
> currently is not filled, and wants to help fix it.
>> I think a good example is the Asterisk PBX and Digium relationship. Digium
> develops the PBX specific hardware and (linux) drivers, while the Asterisk
> community develops the software. Digium wins by selling their hardware, and
> the Asterisk community wins by gaining a foothold in the corporate market.
> Might be a good idea to keep their relationship in mind...
> Both the Neo and OpenMoko provide open access to the hardware and software
> of a mobile phone. This open platform gives consumers and developers
> rightful access to what they own. I see the Neo as the hacker's iPhone. Did
> I dare say it?
>> As the customer or end-user, this open development platform might seem
> similar to Firefox in a way (no bias intended). As a community of users
> developing a product everyone can use, from tech-geek to grandma. The
> Firefox community also has an extensive library of open source extensions,
> and if that type of community could be developed for OpenMoko programs, good
> things will happen. :)
>> Palm has even come to a realization that Linux might have some benefits,
> as they are developing (or having developed) a version supporting Palm
> devices.
>> Random thoughts:
>> --I believe a pre-paid or "open" plan is different than having an "open"
> phone. A pre-paid plan means that a user may not have to pay a monthly fee,
> but the user still has the "locked" restrictions in place from their
> carrier.
>> --There are still many people who also think that their phone is a
> permanent part of their carrier contract.
>> --Which mobile phone carrier is the lesser of the evils? (I currently have
> Verizon, but they don't support GSM.)
>> As for advertising, the Alltel commercials are appealing, making the other
> carriers look hostile just like the Apple commercials make "PC" look
> complicated. A humorous spin might be an idea. "You're joking...you have to
> BUY a ringtone?!" "You make me laugh... what's all this SEEM editing about
> anyways?"
>> Unique selling point? I don't think there's just one, but if I had to
> choose, it would be the guitar pick for the Neo and penguin-in-you-pocket
> for OpenMoko.
>> Now only if we could throw together a NPO for mobile internet/telecom...
>>>> IMHO...
>> Kyle Bassett
>> Martin may have forced me to write one of my longest responses yet! ;)
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>> Wow!
>> ....... Neo as the hacker's iPhone .....
> Well, it pretty much seems to be that right now. Or is it more the
> protester's phone ? Is it a contra-provider, contra-incumbent, contra-Apple,
> contra Windows Mobile ?
>> BTW, in Europe, Austria, you can buy phones that are not locked and not
> branded at all (of course they are expensive then because with a contract a
> phone costs 0-10 Euro here)
> and go to the supermarket and buy a prepaid card. That's not the point.
> I think this "open" discussion it is very much irrational in the core, it
> is about an illusion of re-gaining control. That could be an important
> (U)SP.
> Give the Linux-Asterisk-Openoffice-Firefox-Thunderbird - a.s.o. community
> a phone with the same philosophy so they can act consistently in their
> attitude towards Telco/IT.
>> [off-topic]
> Let's stop before it becomes contra-war, contra-global-warming,
> contra-parents, contra-male-dominance, contra-industry, contra-hedgefonds,
> ....
> The point is: people (me too, of course) are facing mechanisms in economy,
> society, politics, partnerships that render them helpless and dismayed.
> Can a phone help ? Could Linux help ?
> Hey, Kyle, you provoked my 1968 reflexes (I was 15 then) 8-) !!
> [/off topic]
>> KR Martin
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