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Marine Jon Hammar To Be Released From Mexican Jail

great news

he's going to be released

Bill O'Reilly championed this - and helped bring light to the case - he's been in jail since August - Bill had the parents on The Factor this week which pushed the ball forward - Bill pointed out that the Federal Govt. did dick

Hammar's Mom just thanked Bill O'Reilly for saving her son's life

Hammar's dad is waiting by the border for official word - it is expected that he will be home for Christmas

according to the judge who released Hammar, the case violated the Mexican Constitution

sorta flies in the face of the some of the anti Hammar crowd here on JUB who seemed somewhat happy with the Marine's incarceration

The court ruling came as a bit of a surprise. Mexico’s ambassador to the United States, Arturo Sarukhan, penned a letter this week saying Hammar had been rightly arrested in August for the “federal crime” of carrying a shotgun “restricted for the exclusive use of the Mexican Armed Forces.”

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For his own protection, prison officials, with the help of U.S. consular officials, moved Hammar out of the prison’s general population. For a time, he was handcuffed to a bed because there were no cells available, a source said.

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I didn't see in the article where the arrest violated the Mexican constitution -- that would be an interesting bit.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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sorta flies in the face of the some of the anti Hammar crowd here on JUB who seemed somewhat happy with the Marine's incarceration

Sigh. As usual, you have it wrong. Did any of us say. "Good, I hope he rots in prison?" or "I wish he gets butt-raped?". No.

The problem that the more rational thinkers of JUB had was your insistence that Obama was "ignoring" him and that it was his job to free him. No matter how many times we tried to explain that not only was Obama not aware of Hammar's predicament and this was a job for an Ambassador, you just kept repeating your "You guys keep worshiping Obama!" nonsense.

Obama is not perfect, and he's not immune to criticism. However, try to criticize him on things that are relevant to his job. You don't get angry at the plumber for not doing something when your AC or TV breaks, do you? We'll take your critique of him more seriously when you stop whining that the neck tie he wore at a press conference secretly means that he wants to "Kill Whitey".

As for Hammar, none of the articles said he was being harmed or tortured. He was being held while the Mexican legal system handled a matter than happened within their jurisdiction. Mexican jails are shitty, and the US can't do a thing about it. I'm sorry he was in that shithole for some time, but it's been resolved, and hopefully next time he will make sure of another country's laws before he visits there.

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Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm

Sigh. As usual, you have it wrong. Did any of us say. "Good, I hope he rots in prison?" or "I wish he gets butt-raped?". No.

The problem that the more rational thinkers of JUB had was your insistence that Obama was "ignoring" him and that it was his job to free him. No matter how many times we tried to explain that not only was Obama not aware of Hammar's predicament and this was a job for an Ambassador, you just kept repeating your "You guys keep worshiping Obama!" nonsense.

Obama is not perfect, and he's not immune to criticism. However, try to criticize him on things that are relevant to his job. You don't get angry at the plumber for not doing something when your AC or TV breaks, do you? We'll take your critique of him more seriously when you stop whining that the neck tie he wore at a press conference secretly means that he wants to "Kill Whitey".

As for Hammar, none of the articles said he was being harmed or tortured. He was being held while the Mexican legal system handled a matter than happened within their jurisdiction. Mexican jails are shitty, and the US can't do a thing about it. I'm sorry he was in that shithole for some time, but it's been resolved, and hopefully next time he will make sure of another country's laws before he visits there.

Or, since he suffers from PTSD, he should take buddies along who will keep track of things like that for him.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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Exactly bankside and fury of firestorm. I am glad a man who served his country is back home. But the fact remains he broke a law,and no matter what we think of that country(and Mexico has a LOT of problems) insulting them and demanding the country release him right away isn't how things are done.
More to the point,I'd be willing to give more kudos to Faux News and Bill O'Reilly if it was coming out of the goodness of their hearts. They didn't give a crap about this marine as much as they cared about using him to bash Obama.

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Cute Guy..He's cuffed to the Bed but not all beat to a pulp like the family reported......Glad he's coming home but what made him think he'd get across the border unchecked with a shotgun?...Americans are sitting-Ducks and other Countries always think we're up to no good...He should have known better and his road-Bud should have known better....

Some official here in the States said the Mexican Border Officials should have realized Jon didnt intend to do anything bad....What?...

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Originally Posted by chance1

His life has as much meaning as victims of the newtown massacre

Chance...Jon's life does have meaning but it's a stretch to compare him to the Victims in Newtown....Come on man....What John did was Stupid and the Mexican officials had no choice but to arrest him...They did their job...

I know you already know this but those Newtown babies & Staffers didnt do anything wrong...

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^^^^

Hammar showed the gun to US Customs and they told him it was OK to take it into Mexico. When he crossed the border, the first thing he did was show the gun to Mexican customs and asked them if it was OK .... he was immediately arrested and put into prison.

This is the part of the story that some people just gloss over. He wasn't hiding the gun or trying to evade the authorities.

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

he's a former Marine

Once a Marine, Always a Marine.

Once the title "U.S. Marine" has been earned, it is retained. There are no ex-Marines or former-Marines. There are (1) active duty Marines, (2) retired Marines, (3) reserve Marines, and (4) Marine veterans. Nonetheless, once one has earned the title, he remains a Marine for life. [Link]

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Originally Posted by MisterMajestic

Chance...Jon's life does have meaning but it's a stretch to compare him to the Victims in Newtown....Come on man....What John did was Stupid and the Mexican officials had no choice but to arrest him...They did their job...

I know you already know this but those Newtown babies & Staffers didnt do anything wrong...

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Is it the fact that he's a former Marine that upsets you? Is it the gun? Why do you dislike the guy?

I have absolutely no interest in the guy whatsoever. He broke the law and got arrested for it, then they released him. The "whatever" was for your forced show of patriotism. And the guy's life matters as much as any others, but he is alive and well, and the only reason we are talking about him is because a bunch of prissy queens wanted to USE him to bash on their own democratically elected president.

What isn't "whatever" about this?

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

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Originally Posted by chance1

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Let me repeat this for the 100th time, and maybe it'll stick in your brain this time:

Getting Hammar released is NOT Obama's job. Since it happened in Mexico's jurisdiction, it is between the Mexican government and an American Ambassador. You are getting your panties in a twist because Obama is not doing something he has no business handling. You're blaming the gym teacher for not teaching your kids Algebra! Not every little thing in government is Obama's job - that is why there are congressmen, secretaries of state/interior/etc and the Supreme Court.

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Originally Posted by FuryOfFirestorm

Let me repeat this for the 100th time, and maybe it'll stick in your brain this time:

Getting Hammar released is NOT Obama's job. Since it happened in Mexico's jurisdiction, it is between the Mexican government and an American Ambassador. You are getting your panties in a twist because Obama is not something he has no business handling. You're blaming the gym teacher for not teaching your kids Algebra!

Just a quick note on diplomatic protocols, an Ambassador is accredited as the direct personal representative of a foreign head of state. Thus when an Ambassador does his job, it is the head of state getting things done.

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Forget it. It's like talking to a wall, except walls have better reasoning skills. Plus the wall won't blame Nancy Pelosi for not stopping the genocide in Rwanda or Jimmy Carter for not stopping Jerry Sandusky from raping kids at Penn State.