The wallet at the Tippit murder scene

I am sure this has been discussed but this is my first post here and I really feel this is important.

Recently, it was proven that the Oswald wallet "left" at the Tippit
shooting was in fact the wallet that exists in the archives.

This wallet has been denied as existing by the LN community since it was
first raised as an issue.

Now it has to be dealt with and no one on the LN side is doing so.

A wallet was taken off Oswald on the "way in" by the Dallas police with
the Hidell and Oswald IDs in that wallet.

NOW.... another wallet with both the Oswald and Hidell IDs was proved to
be found at the Tippit shooting site.

The officer in the WFAA Television tape holding the wallet and the man who
asked "Have you ever heard of a Lee Oswald or Alek Hidell" is Capt.
Westbrook.

Captain Westbrook later went to Vietnam as an "advisor" ... it appears he
was CIA. My hypothesis shared by many others is he brought that wallet to
the site of the Tippit shooting. Then, when another wallet was taken off
Oswald on the "way in", the Westbrook wallet had to go away. Too much.
Looks like a frame up.

Now we know the wallet in the archives is the wallet Westbrook was
holding.

The interesting thing is no one seems to have "discovered" the wallet, lying under the car, until Westbrook gets there (I don't know the exact time but it may have been as late as 130pm).. If it was laying there, why wasn't it reported immediately? My theory is Westbrook brought it with him BUT when they found a wallet on Oswald going into the station removed by Bentley... well, then the Tippit scene wallet had to go away. Too many wallets. Looks Like A Big Set UP. And FBI agent Barrett, who Westbrook asked, "you know a lot of guys around here Bob ever hear of Lee Harvey Oswald or Alek Hidell?" , didn't say anything until Bentley passed away. And now he's coming out and saying Bentley's version is hogwash, as seen on the WFAA tape. This is a major revelation.

Westbrook asks the FBI agent if he knows of a Lee Harvey Oswald or a Alek Hidell. Hidell is the key here, that shows there were two wallets (three if you count the one Oswald allegedly left with Marina). If it is 1:30(ish) as you say, and the DPD - officially - doesnt know the name Hidell until they arrest him at 1:51 (or even later) then how can Westbrook ask the FBI agent (this scene is corroborated with Hosty) about the name Hidell? What I dont understand, why did they admit to have confiscated the second wallet from Oswald at the arrest? Had they not done that, they could of said they found it at the Tippit scene.

But I guess it would of been too much: Oswald "the cop killer" littering the crime scene with shell casings, wallet with IDs and white jacket with zipper!

So who is Westbrook? According to the Armstrong Harvey/Lee cite there is a
strong indication he may have been CIA.

According to Armstrong...

QUOTE ON:

While (LEE) Oswald was hiding in the balcony, and (HARVEY) Oswald was
sitting in the 4th row in the lower level, Captain Westbrook allegedly
found a wallet at the scene of Tippit's murder. There was a wallet and it
contained identification for Lee Harvey Oswald and Alek Hidell, including
a Texas drivers license for Lee Harvey Oswald. FBI agent Bob Barrett saw
the wallet and WFAA-TV took newsreel film of the wallet. Who found the
wallet?

(On the website, a frame from WFAA newsreel footage is shown).

Eight or nine people walked to Tippit's patrol car and saw him lying on
the street. Two ambulance attendants removed Tippit's body. Numerous DPD
officers arrived at the scene before Westbrook arrived. But none of these
people, not one civilian witness, not the ambulance attendants, not any of
the trained police officers, reported seeing a wallet laying on an
otherwise empty street. Without proof that someone, anyone, found the
wallet and handed it to Capt. Westbrook there is a distinct possibility
that Westbrook brought the wallet to the scene of Tippit's murder. After
the assassination, Capt. Westbrook retired from the Dallas Police and
served as a special advisor to the police in South Vietnam (nearly all
"special advisors" to the police in Vietnam were CIA connected).

A DPD dispatch at 1:33 PM: "w/m/30 5'8", very slender build, black hair, a
white jacket, white shirt and dark slacks." A DPD dispatch at 1:45 PM:
"Have information a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West
Jefferson ... supposed to be hiding in balcony." As police began to
descend on the Texas Theater they were told by a "young female" (probably
Julia Postal) that the man was in the balcony. As several DPD officers
began searching the balcony Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson came face to face
with a young man who was walking down the stairs to the lobby. Courson
said, "that he was reasonably satisfied in his own mind" that this man was
(LEE) Oswald. While Courson was walking up the front stairs to the
balcony, the police, and Captain Westbrook, were entering the main floor
from the rear entrance. The last DPD dispatch reported the suspect was
wearing a white shirt, white jacket, and was in the balcony. The suspect
(LEE Oswald) in the balcony was wearing a white t-shirt, but had left his
light colored jacket under a car at Ballew's T exaco Station.

HARVEY Oswald, wearing a long-sleeved brown shirt, is arrested

Captain Westbrook apparently told DPD officers at 10th & Patton that Lee
Harvey Oswald was a suspect. Inside the darkened theater Tommy Rowe (not
Johnny Brewer), directed the police to the man wearing the long sleeved
dark shirt--HARVEY Oswald. Rowe was a close friend of Jack Ruby and worked
at the shoe store with Brewer. The police soon arrested and handcuffed
(HARVEY) Oswald. Capt. Westbrook told the officers "get him out of here as
fast as you can and don't let anybody see him." DON'T LET ANYBODY SEE
HIM!! Why?

As HARVEY Oswald was taken out the front of the theater a DPD officer told
Julia Postal, "we have our man on both counts." Julia said this was the
first time she heard of Tippit's death and the officers arresting Oswald
had identified him by calling his name --- "Oswald" (interview with Julia
Postal by SA Carter 2/28/64). Several police officers knew the name of
their suspect before leaving 10th & Patton, thanks to Captain Westbrook.
Three police officers were ordered to obtain the names and addresses of
all theater patrons. This list soon disappeared, and the possibility of
learning the identity of Oswald's contact at the theater, and the identity
of the man confronted by Deputy Sheriff Courson, disappeared with it.

(HARVEY) Oswald, wearing a brown shirt, was brought out the front entrance
of the Texas Theater, placed in a police car and driven to jail. Paul
Bentley removed (HARVEY) Oswald's wallet from his left rear pocket en
route to the DPD headquarters (along with Officers Carrol, Hill, Walker
and Lyons) and found identification for "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "A. J.
Hidell"--similar to the identification found in the wallet that was left
at the Tippit murder scene. The Dallas Police were now in possession of
two wallets, both containing ID for Lee Harvey Oswald. These two wallets
could have created serious problems if properly identified as evidence and
reported. It should come as no surprise that Capt. Westbrook's wallet
disappeared, after DPD Capt. Fritz gave it to FBI agent Hosty on 11/27/63,
and one of the Oswalds (LEE) disappeared as well. For a thorough
discussion of how the FBI and the Dallas Police deliberately mishandled
this evidence, read John Armstrong's 1997 Dallas Conference speech (linked
on the home page).

NOTE: There were a total of five Oswald wallets: a black plastic wallet
(CE 1798); a red billfold found at Ruth Paine's (CE 2003 #382); a brown
billfold found at Ruth Paine's (CE 2003 #114); a billfold taken from LHO
upon arrest--initialed by HMM (Henry Moore), wallet and contents
inventoried and photographed; and the Westbrook wallet, which was not
initialed by police, not listed in inventory, not photographed, not
mentioned by a single witness to the WC, HSCA, ARRB, etc. and disappeared,
but not before is was filmed by WFAA TV and seen by FBI agent Barrett.

As (HARVEY) Oswald was en route to the police station, Bernard Haire,
owner of a hobby shop two doors from the theater, saw the police escort a
man out the rear of the theater. For the next 25 years Mr. Haire and other
witnesses thought they had seen the arrest of Oswald. But there is no
police report, no record of arrest, nor any mention of a person taken out
the rear of the theater. There are, however, many police reports that
state Oswald was arrested in the balcony. The police homicide report of
Tippit's murder read, "suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the
Texas neater at 231 W. Jefferson."

See the Dallas Police Homicide Report for "Tippitt, JD"

At least two other DPD documents make the same "error." In his report to
Captain Gannaway, Dallas Police Detective L.D. Stringfellow wrote: "On
November 22, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the
Texas Theater, 231 West Jefferson Blvd and was charged with the murder of
President John F. Kennedy and the murder of Officer JD Tippit." How could
several experienced, career police officers make such a mistake?

Simple question. Does the wallet in the archives have Moore's initials on it? If it does then it was taken off Oswald. If it doesn't then it was Westbrook's plant wallet. The MC in the Archives BTW, is not the same one as the one found on the 6th floor that day

I have read that there were actually 5 wallets! Dont know if that is really true, but there were at least 3 wallets: one that Oswald allegedly left with Marina in the morning, then the one found on him at the arrest, and then the Westbrook wallet allegedly found at the Tippit scene. It surley looks like one hand doesnt know what the other is doing here. The question is, why didnt they claim Oswalds real wallet was the Westbrook wallet instead of the wallet at the arrest? But I suppose it would of been too much with "Oswald dropping his wallet and his shell casings at the scene and even the jacket near the scene". With that kind of stupid criminal behaviour he should be on the TV series "Dumbest Criminals" or something.

Could Wetbrooke have planted the wallet on Oswald at the time of his arrest inside the theatre. It's not like LHO was in a position to prevent him form doing so. and perhaps he didn't have one on him at the time, having left his with Marina. . Afterward the planted wallet was taken from LHO in the car on the way to the station. The primary purpose of the wallet was to connect Oswald to Hidell to the MC.

For me, there remains no real evidence that it was Oswalds wallet.
Barrets memory was always vague about the IDs themselves.

In fact Barrett said (paraphrasing) .”if it wasn’t Oswalds wallet then why did Capt Westbrook ask me about the names?”

In otherwords he didn’t see the IDs.

He was sure he was asked about the names but that could have easily been back at the
station.

In other words he could be mistaken.

I would have thought that ANYONE who actually READ the name Lee Harvey Oswald or Alec Hidel in a wallet at the Tippit murder scene would remember it for life!.
But…no one does! And no one claims to..not even Barret.
And…not one policeman put it in a report ..not one.

Kenneth Croy was questioned in detail by the Warren Commission – he never said a word about it.

As I say..no one has claimed to have seen the IDs at the scene.

And if it wasn’t Oswalds then im sure the DPD and FBI would not want that pesky wallet identifying someone else at the scene!.....good gracious no!!

Either way it disappeared.

We have, in fact, two seemingly different accounts about what Croy said in later years.
In 1990, in an interview with researcher Jones Harris, Harris said that Croy told him he never saw the contents of any wallet.
This account comes from George W Bailey (http://oswaldsmother...lee-harvey.html) who said he heard this directly from Jones Harris.
Dale Myers asserts that Croy told him in 2009 that he saw 7 IDs and not one belonged to Oswald.
So, how do we verify any of this?...we cant, Croy died in 2009.(if memory serves me correctly)

In this case no one can say that Croy did not say these things.So we have a problem.
Is Croy being inconsistant or is one of the researches telling stories?
Well, I know this much...that Croy's Warren Comission testimony is muddled and inconsistant.
I know that Jones Harris has jumped the gun before and announced things innacurately.
And I have seen Dayle Myers play fast and loose with logic.
So I can only tell you what I think based on what I've read and my own thinking.

It was Harris who claimed to news media while working on Jim Garrisons case that he had uncovered a direct link to Shaw.
The claim was kinda stretching the truth but he made it anyway.(referring to the supposed PO number in both Oswalds and Clay Shaws address book)
Now I personally think that Dale Myers has done some good work on the Tippit murder, but that’s as far as it goes with Myers.

As for Rookstool, he must be blind and thats why I dont put any stock in his supposed discovery.
The wallet in the archives is not the one filmed at the tippit crime scene.
I am happy to accept Myers rebutting of Rookstool here (http://jfkfiles.blog...et-mystery.html)

Lets look at the main possibilties and see how likely they are:

1: The wallet was Tippits.

We know it wasn’t, Tippits was at the hospital with him and the wallets are different

2: The wallet at the scene was Oswalds
So, Oswald handed Tipit a wallet with two ID's in it.I dont accept that Oswald would have been that stupid when he could have just taken out a card.
So, Oswald dropped it.No one saw a struggle, no one saw him fall over , and a wallet is not easy to loose like that.
Ok, so earth shattering evidence of Oswalds guilt is found and then dissappears and not a single witness (seeing Oswalds ID) is found....not one then
(witness statements, commission testimonies, police reports) and not one since.(researches etc)
Remember ...not one person said they read Lee Harvey Oswalds ID in the wallet...not even Croy said he did.

So again..not one person has said they saw Oswalds ID at the scene.
How likely is that the prosecutions 'star exhibit one' in the Tippit murder case would suffer that much neglect?
Extremely unlikely in my view.
And of course the DPD said his ID was taken from his person which I think is more likely.
To believe that Oswalds wallet was found at the scene you have to believe:
1: that Oswald was stupid enough to give it to Tippit knowing that it contained incriminating stuff in (2 ids, FPCC references etc, a selective service card which would be obvious to a cop that it was forged because it had a photo...etc)
2: that for some reason the Dallas police didnt want anyone to know that they had such an astoundingly convincing piece of evidence or
that the Dallas police didnt want anyone to know for some other reason, or that they just simply lost it and decided they better say nothing..in which case where did the final 'real' one come from?
3: That Bentley and others including Rose and Stoval lied.
4: That Barrets recollection of being asked a question somehow definatively proves that the wallet was Oswalds regardless.
5: That the police at the scene who saw the contents of the wallet didnt think it important enough to put in their reports.

None of which I accept just on the basis of probability and logic alone.

The wallet in the archives has specific differences from the one in the news reel.

I propose one simple explanation and that is the wallet at the scene was not Oswalds.
That way I only have to wonder who's wallet it was.
Knowing full well that there are plenty of murder cases where a piece of evidence possibly exhonerating the suspect, has been ignored or hidden, just because the police have decided they have their man, I have to conclude that any wallet at the scene that did not have LHO's ID in it was either unimportant to the Dallas police, irrelevant or very, very inconvenient.

This is just my judgement.
I would be perfectly happy to accept a credible alternative, but I just havent seen one yet.

And so, although it still remains a mystery, I believe the wallet at the scene was not Oswalds.