Dave Jacobs from SmallChurchPastor.com and DaveJacobs.net, joined us LIVE in the Des Moines IA studio for this episode! The three of us spent a day together recently and could not be together without recording a couple episodes.

Today's episode is about creating margin in your life, those breathable spaces in your day and week that help you live as a real human being, and not a ministry automaton! Dave describes the process he takes pastors through to reclaim their lives, so that they might experience some significant think time, leisure time, and spiritual time.

We hope you are encouraged by this episode as you seek to truly live life - spiritual life, ministry life, family life, and personal life - to the fullest!

As always, if you are looking for some very inexpensive coaching, Dave specializes in coaching small church pastors. His rates have not gone up in the five years we've known him (I told him he needs to raise them!) and we can totally vouch for him as a pastor coach, since we've both received helpful and life-giving coaching from him!