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Re: The Official LADY GAGA Mega-thread

Lady Gaga was groggy, grateful and a little bit remiss on Tuesday — though we can't exactly interpret that last part for you.

The pop star, who's on tour Down Under, was bouncing back from a head injury suffered mid-concert on Sunday night in New Zealand.

"Thank you so much for all the thoughtful messages," the singer tweeted. "I feel a bit woozy but a little better everyday. Very happy to be in beautiful Australia." She's set to perform half-dozen dates in that country, starting with a gig Wednesday in Brisbane.

In the third of three Auckland shows, Gaga suffered what she and her makeup artist said was a concussion. Bending down to get a prop machine gun during the song "Judas," she was whacked by a metal pole being moved by a backup dancer.

After a brief break Gaga rallied for 16 more songs, apologizing along the way because she thought she might have a concussion but promising to finish the show, MTV reported. And finish she did.

So we have to wonder, was the Sunday-night head-thwack possibly some karmic, wrath-of-Madonna, balance-of-the-universe thing?

With the Material Girl performing a seamless and seemingly mocking mashup of 1989's "Express Yourself" and last year's "Born This Way" on her MDNA tour, Gaga had taken the opportunity in New Zealand to start expressing herself in the matter. (A matter we thought had been settled a while back, actually.)

"It sometimes makes people feel better about themselves, you know, to put other people down, or make fun of them, or maybe make mockery of their work and that doesn't make me feel good at all," Gaga said from the Auckland stage, adding that she didn't really want to fight back because all she cared about was the music.

And though she declined to "fight back," Mother Monster did take time to passive-aggressively note that her elder was, in fact, her elder.

"Things are really different than they were 25 years ago," said Gaga, who turned 26 in March, "and that's what makes 'Born This Way' so relevant for me. We're socially in a completely different place, and it's OK."

(Madonna, of course, was recently in a completely different place, Istanbul, where she decided it was OK to flash her breast for no particular reason. But that's another story.)

No matter the karmic back story, the fact of the matter was that Gaga looked pretty beaten up in the photo she posted online. "Emerging from hours of sleep," she tweeted along with the picture. "Still remiss if I should go outside, with this clonker I may be of questionable styling."

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

The latest album exploded the first week (helped somewhat by heavy discounting) but it didn't have the legs of the previous one. It sold respectably, but I'm certain that they were hoping for better.

The real question is "now what?" When shock is your schtick, how do you keep the audience shocked ,and thus entertained? You can keep pushing outwards, but when you start in the meat-dresses and wtf video realm, people may already be expecting the outlandish. You can try zagging instead of zigging - a country album? Opera? Gaga unplugged? - but there's less guarantee that her fans will follow. It'll be interesting seeing the next move.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

The phenomenon is def not finished. It simply has less attention than in the past. Even at the most recent Grammy's, she didn't perform and Adele was the star. And GaGa seemed fine with it. I believe (I could be entirely wrong) that GaGa is working on a new album, so it seems as though she has less going on (unless she's on tour now?).

But it's mostly because she's recently in the media a LOT less that it seems she's "unpopular."

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Her last album did quite well in sales considering. But her concerts have sold out everytime. So this thread is baseless. Most money is made on tours and not on albums (especially after the record companies are done). Artists make very little off albums.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Seghers

I am offended by the notion that someone thinks that I actually care about what happens with Lady Gaga, or any of the other female "gay icons".

And yet you chose to respond to the thread. You could have just ignored it.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

She's not going anywhere for the time being and she ranked quite high on the music's top money earners for 2011 (income generated from your music alone). Her new album's follow up singles (after Born This Way) didn't do so well on radio. Some of them did peak in the top 10 of the Hot 100 but fell out shortly after. Her chart performance on the US market was still strong though, but she was bested (on charts) by Adele, Rihanna, and Katy Perry last year which is why she ranked #4 on the artist of the year list. Still, she remains a strong artist in other parts of the world, particularly in Asia.

At this point her tour has made enough money to guarantee her a few more albums at least. What she's basically trying to do is ensure her survival with imaginative videos and by keeping fans guessing and intrigued with consistent changes of personal image. It's the same thing Madonna & a few other singers have done which guarantees them interest every time they put out something new and guarantees ticket sales on every concert they do.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by G-Lexington

The real question is "now what?" When shock is your schtick, how do you keep the audience shocked ,and thus entertained? You can keep pushing outwards, but when you start in the meat-dresses and wtf video realm, people may already be expecting the outlandish.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by Seghers

No. I can't stand the way some gay men talk about these women as if all other gays actually gave a shit. This is not the Entertainment forum, why was this thread posted here? Answer: because for some fucked up reason, anything Lady Gaga is now always considered relevant to anyone even slightly homosexual. Same goes for Madonna and all the other ones.
That's why I feel the need to voice my opinion in these threads. Not all of us are pop culture lemmings.

If it offends you so much, maybe you should voice your concern to the mods so they can move the thread to the appropriate forum.

And I like Gaga's music because I find it enjoyable to listen to. It's not because she's a gay icon. That's just a bonus.

Originally Posted by Seghers

Please. It's dance music and fashion.
A lot of other artists stand up for gay rights, she just decided to get rich by making you think that she was the only one.
These artists didn't embrace the gay audience, the gay audience with their low standards embraced them and then they ran with it.

Whether you like it or not, pop culture and fashion have an impact on our lives. You seem to think you are above the influence of them. However, on reflection, I suppose that makes sense since you seem to think highly of yourself and your taste.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by reone

…She has become a brand, really…

I thought her brand was The Monster That Devoured itself.

Lex says—
[QUOTE…]…When shock is your schtick, how do you keep the audience shocked ,and thus entertained? You can keep pushing outwards, but when you start in the meat-dresses and wtf video realm…[/QUOTE]

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

That's the point Gaga was overexposed. Lying low and disappearing is the plan. That's why she didn't walk the red carpet during The Grammy's and it is why she isn't doing any North American press. Meanwhile, she's kicked off her world tour - which is seeing numbers only acts like Madonna and Cher have seen. By the end of the tour, Gaga will likely have the 2nd most successful tour by a female act of all time. Her Born This Way album may not have been the monster her previous album was, but her fans are always expanding - proven by her ruling of social media.

In the meantime, light your candle wicks and get on your knees. Gaga's new single/album is coming and you should repent before you die

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

can walk downs street tail up ma asshole ans noone got by record
but world idea pop rock ans etc figa world only start wen OH YEA is got da newsssssss we no got eat cornflakes lie penguins no more
wot ya do put um in bath ans eat um same time

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

My only argument to the above is that I think Lady Gaga is very much a willing participant in (as Malcolm McLaren used to call it) "the rock and roll swindle". I don't think she's the sole crew member of the SS Gaga, but I don't think she's a puppet, either.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by Seghers

I have nothing against pop culture at all, my pop culture lemmings comment referred to people who buy into the hype of really commercial artists who only exist for the purpose of making money. I believe Lady Gaga is talented, but she's a music industry pawn and she doesn't even realize it, and I hate how her success further underlines that gay acceptance comes at the price of us being good consumers, just like the main reason for why Pride festivals have become so popular - they're economically lucrative.
I'm not completely cynical though, I realize that Lady Gaga's message of gay acceptance and the focus that Pride puts on human rights are positive things that will bear good fruit, but it does at the same time make me feel like initiatives to further gay rights are only worth as much as the amount of money you're willing to spend.

Now I have a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by Beachguyj

Did she release a new album? I haven't heard much about her lately but normally she's an attention whore who needs to make a scene every day.

No, she hasn't released a new album. I am pretty sure I read that she was planning on releasing the name of her new album in September.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

She is a little quiet now she is touring, but I think she will be back but I think she picked the wrong songs to release as singles from her new album, Marry the Night didn't do too well in the UK Charts, same as You and I, where as others such as Hair and possibly Bloody Mary, Americano or Highway Unicorn may of done better, in my opinion.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by Jordan

She is a little quiet now she is touring, but I think she will be back but I think she picked the wrong songs to release as singles from her new album, Marry the Night didn't do too well in the UK Charts, same as You and I, where as others such as Hair and possibly Bloody Mary, Americano or Highway Unicorn may of done better, in my opinion.

I'm a big fan, always have, always will

I like You and I, but it didn't really strike me as the strongest choice for a single. I agree with you that Bloody Mary or Americano would have been better choices, IMO.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

In the meantime, light your candle wicks and get on your knees. Gaga's new single/album is coming and you should repent before you die

I rather get on my knees for Taylor Swift cuz her new album is coming in September!!!!!!

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

So she is in it just for the money? Is that so? She spends a great deal of her own money on her shows... doesn't seem like someone who is greedy. which I admit other pop stars don't do. Maybe Katy Perry and Justin Bieber you have a good case for... but not Lady Gaga.

Sorry but the Goddess known as Katy Perry puts alot of her money into her tour to make the fans happy.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

So free choice as to whether people like her or not (whether becoming or remaining her fans or not) would be something with which she ought to be cool.

I don't see a problem with people who are former monsters biting her in the ass.

In fact, she really ought to encourage it since its self-expression and an act of free will (to bite others, including herself, in the ass).

Personally, I think that the world of music and the arts in general is ever expanding. I don't know if one needs to always spit one artist out as to like another artist. I mean, where would the Louvre be if we did that?

"BURN THE RENAISSANCE TRIPTYCHS! LOOK AT THEM MONETS!"

I just don't know if we need to HATE as to LOVE something else.

That all said, I think Lady Gaga still has of yet to prove that the meat dress was more a statement ala PETA than it was about NY delis.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

well, that's what happens when somebody blows up out of nowhere. they disappear the same way too. she just got real popular all of a sudden. i remember hearing that "just dance" song on z100 back in the middle of 2008 or early 08, i can't specifically remember but i know nobody knew her or was checking for her music. she wasn't on tv or even in the hype wagon and then when her next single came out, everybody was on her clit. it just made me go . what was even weirder was how a lot of gay folks gravitated to her for some reason as well. back in 09, whenever i heard a guy say that they was a lady gaga fan or loved her music i knew off the bat that he was gay.

but the question is who's next to come out of nowhere? sometimes i wonder if that whole mind control thing is true because it's just weird how a lot of people just like someone's music at the same time when they never heard of that artist before.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by refujiunderground

but the question is who's next to come out of nowhere?

The Lumineers.

I both try to keep on top of "national" bands, and keep an eye on what the local scene is doing here in Denver. This Denver (by way of Boston) band was everywhere before I noticed, and I think hold rehearsals down the friggin' street from me.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

She got boring pretty quickly and I suspect others who were initially enthralled by her stuff moved on to the next thing. Pretty dated now. She will always have a strong following but the numbers won't increase much from here. Next.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by refujiunderground

well, that's what happens when somebody blows up out of nowhere. they disappear the same way too. she just got real popular all of a sudden. i remember hearing that "just dance" song on z100 back in the middle of 2008 or early 08, i can't specifically remember but i know nobody knew her or was checking for her music. she wasn't on tv or even in the hype wagon and then when her next single came out, everybody was on her clit. it just made me go . what was even weirder was how a lot of gay folks gravitated to her for some reason as well. back in 09, whenever i heard a guy say that they was a lady gaga fan or loved her music i knew off the bat that he was gay.

but the question is who's next to come out of nowhere? sometimes i wonder if that whole mind control thing is true because it's just weird how a lot of people just like someone's music at the same time when they never heard of that artist before.

Currently in mainstream/popular music the big thing is house, dance, party, club music. I think with Gaga, she came out at the time when the dance craze started happening, so she rode the wave of popularity to become a huge thing even though she was new.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

She's in Australia playing to sell out crowds - her last Australian show is tonight in Perth - and touring the world. I doubt she's "over".

She debuted a new song in Melbourne the other night or so read in the paper, something called Princess Die.

She's got staying power, but I agree with Lex in that it will be interesting in seeing how she tries to top the "schtick". I think she should go Librarian and do an album of lullabys. That would pretty much shock the shit out of everyone.

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Originally Posted by G-Lexington

The Lumineers.

I both try to keep on top of "national" bands, and keep an eye on what the local scene is doing here in Denver. This Denver (by way of Boston) band was everywhere before I noticed, and I think hold rehearsals down the friggin' street from me.

Lex

well, we'll see. googled them up just now and they actually debuted at 45 on the billboard 200. that's kind of crazy.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

^ Well, I'm certainly big!, Vulgar

…but my point is that the Gaga phenomena is no different from the Madonna phenomena and the Jackson phenomena and the Beatles phenomena and the Elvis phenomena and the Frank Sinatra phenomena etc. where adolescents become obsessed with some kind of 'idol' regardless of the quality of whatever the 'idol' actually does.

The adolescents have a pack mentality and they adopt a commercial entity and worship them until the time another 'idol' is presented to them to adopt.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

GiancarloC is right. It doesn't matter how anyone FEELS about Gaga...the FACT is that she's made more money than most artists out there, concerning record and digital sales she's surpassed many artists. The numbers prove it. I'm not a "Little Monster" by any means but I'll respect an artist who can develop a loyal fan-base, care about them, maintain talent, and get rich.

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Pocket change huh? Doubt it. That is just the amount she made on her Asia & Oceania part of the tour. The total for her last tour (Monster Ball) was nearly $230 million. And she is well on the path of breaking that total. Katy who? She is one that has no staying power.Born This Way Ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Katy Who? She is the one that broke records with her last album. Who knows when somebody will even match the success of her last album.

Staying power? Well if she continues to do what she is doing now then she will continue dominate year after year

Re: I tell you! The Gaga phenomena has finished.

The Rolling Stones recent albums..lol They have been in the business 100+ years. They already have a long strong fan base.

Katy will continue to dominate the airwaves while at the same time expanding her fanbase. Hell she might be the only one to break her own records since nobody can touch her album success.

As for Gaga's next album dominating? She better pray that Taylor Swift does not bitch slap her across the face while at the same time pushing her out of the way just like she did on her last album. With her new album coming in September(?) all others will be playing catch up