If I got something I can publish I'll do. Not sure I'll be allowed to show the photos. Once again, it is just some one I'm in touch cos my job ...

What I know for sure is that this facility is quite well located as it is close to the international airport and less that 15 min from Cheste. It's just a two levels building being the ground floor the garage and the upper level the office. Quite simple. Around 750 square metres, little but probably enough for the intended purposes.

AFAIK with regards to contract law, if an organisation is taken over, legally all existing contracts have to be honoured by the new owners. One can't have unreasonable clauses in any contract under european law because if it comes to a dispute any tribunal will ignore any clause they see as preducial. Thats not to say any new owner can't terminate existing contracts. They would just need to pay off the remainder of the contract or face a claim for damages.

AFAIK with regards to contract law, if an organisation is taken over, legally all existing contracts have to be honoured by the new owners. One can't have unreasonable clauses in any contract under european law because if it comes to a dispute any tribunal will ignore any clause they see as preducial. Thats not to say any new owner can't terminate existing contracts. They would just need to pay off the remainder of the contract or face a claim for damages.

I think i read a report in saying that Liuzzi could stay @ HRT if the could get enough team sponsorship.

It's not likely though, probably some compensation will be paid to him and unfortunately it seems van der Garde will get the role.

AFAIK with regards to contract law, if an organisation is taken over, legally all existing contracts have to be honoured by the new owners. One can't have unreasonable clauses in any contract under european law because if it comes to a dispute any tribunal will ignore any clause they see as preducial. Thats not to say any new owner can't terminate existing contracts. They would just need to pay off the remainder of the contract or face a claim for damages.

That's true but it requires the contract being Luizzi-HRT instead of Luizzi-Carabante as JE is saying.

On the other, one of several clauses could allow HRT to break the contract, i.e. Luizzi does not brings a certain budget. There is nothing of "unreasonable" on this.

It's funny that most of you are assuming, by default, that it is HRT who have obligations to honour vs the driver forgetting that the opposite is more likely.

- The F112 will be at the first test.- The team want Spanish Sponsors- He still has a valid contract for 2012 and 2013.- He would accept a 3rd driver role if he needed too- He accepts a pay driver may take the 2nd seat.

- The F112 will be at the first test.- The team want Spanish Sponsors- He still has a valid contract for 2012 and 2013.- He would accept a 3rd driver role if he needed too- He accepts a pay driver may take the 2nd seat.

Sounds better than last year for sure. I do hope to see them at Jerez in a couple of weeks, because that's where De La Rosa can do a lot of good work for them, getting the car shook down and into a decent testing program.

Wasn't there a post that Clos was close to securing €8 million of funding? Most of the stories I've read state that Van Der Garde is only bringing €6 million. As the season approaches negotiators will inflate the amount of potential sponsorship.
If they're bringing similar amounts then Clos wins hands down for me. Van Der Garde was comprehensively outperformed by his less experienced team mate in GP2 last year. Pic looked woeful at the young drivers test.
In any event HRT need a clear indicator of their car's outright speed and De La Rosa is just not quick enough to provide that.

One of the F111 is now in Valencia facilities and the Team has started working on it.

I don't know what are they doing. Could be just new team members trainning or preparing the car for Jerez test or both.

Apparently they have hired more personel from Barwa and at least another spanish eng with sound experience in F1; Albert Fabrega, ex-Super Aguri and former Team Manager of LMS for ePsilon in addition to his previous experience in the World Series.

They won't be at Jerez, but I hope they manage to qualify for the first race this time. It's going to be hard to gauge where the team is, if they're using their old car to test, which is a shame, because a lot of eyes will be centred on how much progress the three youngest teams have made since last season.

One of the F111 is now in Valencia facilities and the Team has started working on it.

I don't know what are they doing. Could be just new team members trainning or preparing the car for Jerez test or both.

Apparently they have hired more personel from Barwa and at least another spanish eng with sound experience in F1; Albert Fabrega, ex-Super Aguri and former Team Manager of LMS for ePsilon in addition to his previous experience in the World Series.

I'm willing to bet you any amount of money De La Rosa will be poor substitute for a lead driver. As for preparing an F111, I would ask what for. I just don't see the FIA giving them an exemption to start the year with that car.

I'm willing to bet you any amount of money De La Rosa will be poor substitute for a lead driver. As for preparing an F111, I would ask what for. I just don't see the FIA giving them an exemption to start the year with that car.

Actually if the car has not passed all the crash tests it is a critical delay. You can't complete the assembly without crash test certification. If a part fails it requires a redesign meaning further lost time. AFAIK FIA certified labs only crash test on certain days which means their timetable is determined by the labs.

Actually if the car has not passed all the crash tests it is a critical delay. You can't complete the assembly without crash test certification. If a part fails it requires a redesign meaning further lost time. AFAIK FIA certified labs only crash test on certain days which means their timetable is determined by the labs.

Agreed on that, if the car has passed part of the tests which the BBC mention then it's not as If they have no car!!

I'm willing to bet you any amount of money De La Rosa will be poor substitute for a lead driver. As for preparing an F111, I would ask what for. I just don't see the FIA giving them an exemption to start the year with that car.

From the BBC article:

[...]Pre-season testing begins with a four-day test in Jerez in southern Spain starting on 7 February, when HRT plan to use their 2011 car.[...]

I'm willing to bet you any amount of money De La Rosa will be poor substitute for a lead driver. As for preparing an F111, I would ask what for. I just don't see the FIA giving them an exemption to start the year with that car.

The only way they would get exemption to race the 2011 car in 2012 is on a non-championship basis. In which case its pretty pointless spending the money to turn up and run an ineligible car except in the hope of doing a bit of corporate hospitality.

I'm willing to bet you any amount of money De La Rosa will be poor substitute for a lead driver.

We should first to define the criteria to make the comparison. Number of points? he matched Kimi on 2006. Qualy? he matched Koba in 2010 and if he didn't in race was first cos the crapped C29 then cos Sutil ruining his race in Silverstone, apart from that Koba finished ahead on Belgium and Behind in Hungary or any of then was out. Yeah Turkey. I'm not forgetting it ;) In addition ... How are we to estimate his development work?

As for preparing an F111, I would ask what for. I just don't see the FIA giving them an exemption to start the year with that car.

Not for race it ... just for Jerez tests.

The Team is aiming to unveil the F112 in first Barcelona test and going to Jerez with a version of the F111.

We should first to define the criteria to make the comparison. Number of points? he matched Kimi on 2006. Qualy? he matched Koba in 2010 and if he didn't in race was first cos the crapped C29 then cos Sutil ruining his race in Silverstone, apart from that Koba finished ahead on Belgium and Behind in Hungary or any of then was out. Yeah Turkey. I'm not forgetting it ;) In addition ... How are we to estimate his development work?

Not for race it ... just for Jerez tests.

The Team is aiming to unveil the F112 in first Barcelona test and going to Jerez with a version of the F111.

I don't know what results you're looking at but Raikkonen scored 3 times as many points as De la Rosa in 2006. On average lap time he was giving away at least half a second a lap in the race. That equates to a pitstop over a race distance. Kobayashi outscored him 5 to 1 in 2010 and he was a rooki. As for development, I've never heard of a driver developping a car, when last checked that was down to the deisgner and race engineers. The guy is a trundler. I'd say he'd done an adequate job if he qualified ahead of one of the Marussia's. Beating his team mate would depend on who he was. He would not beat Clos and should beat Van Der Garde.

I don't know what results you're looking at but Raikkonen scored 3 times as many points as De la Rosa in 2006.

... take the six races they race alongside, they had exactly the same points. The last two GPs due to the engine freeze can't be taking into account as well it can't the first part of the season when Pedro was on the wall and Juan Pablo at the wheel.

Kobayashi outscored him 5 to 1 in 2010 and he was a rooki.

I said "he didn't in race" and I said why ... and again you can't take into accout the last five races which in additon were those when the car better performed.

As for development, I've never heard of a driver developping a car, when last checked that was down to the deisgner and race engineers.

Always the same poor and biased allegation.

No one say that the driver develop the car but that it makes a huge difference having a driver able to help the engineers or not. Just saying "it doesn't work" doesn't help to make the things evolve on the proper direction, giving wrong indications it's even worst as you can entrain your team into a disaster just cos you're usseless when analyzing the car's behavior.

Ironic that you would suggest that the Sauber car improved AFTER De La Rosa got the sack, but we digress...The time when F1 teams relied solely on the driver's feedback have long gone. Modern computing power means that its Simulation and telemetry that drives the development, that way you don't get driver bias creating errors.
I don't know what levels of simulation are available at HRT, but if they are going to be reliant on De La Rosa's feedback one would have to say they're deficient. I maintain the selection of De La Rosa doessn't make sense as he's not quick and he doesn't bring funding.

Ironic that you would suggest that the Sauber car improved AFTER De La Rosa got the sack ...

I'm not sure whether you don't know a damn about this business or it's just that you dislike Pedro so much that leads you to write this sort of no sense instead of follow the line of the previous arguments ...

The time when F1 teams relied solely on the driver's feedback have long gone

...except for distorting them ...

Modern computing power means that its Simulation and telemetry that drives the development, that way you don't get driver bias creating errors.

... but exposing your ignorance about what a model or a simulation is and who built it and how are they exploited ...

I'm not sure whether you don't know a damn about this business or it's just that you dislike Pedro so much that leads you to write this sort of no sense instead of follow the line of the previous arguments ...

...except for distorting them ...

... but exposing your ignorance about what a model or a simulation is and who built it and how are they exploited ...

With the greatest of respect I started following F1 during my first year at Uni back in 1982. I was introduced to the sport by an engineering coleague who was on secondment with Williams. So I'd like to think I have a fair idea of design modelling and simulation integration. But the proof of the pudding will be in the performance ( or rather lack their of) De la Rosa will show. One won't have long to see that I will be prooven right.