I want to be clear, I like Singler and think he's had a terrific year. I just don't understand why Frank treats him like he's Jordan. (Did Jordan play this many minutes his rookie year?) Frank would play him 48 mpg if he could.

I want to be clear, I like Singler and think he's had a terrific year. I just don't understand why Frank treats him like he's Jordan. (Did Jordan play this many minutes his rookie year?) Frank would play him 48 mpg if he could.

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I think he is a fantastic player.

I don't, however, think he should be playing more than 30mpg at any position.

In 75 games, Singler has 42 single digit scoring performances, despite getting 67 starts and averaging nearly 30 mpg. His highest output ever was 20 points (on 17 FGA).
He only has 13 games with more than 1 three point make (i.e. the same exact number as Rodney Stuckey... who is a horrendous shooter).
He is the weakest non-PG rebounder on the team besides Missleton
He only has 3 games with more than 3 assists (4, 5, and 5).
He's fouled out 4 times (leads the team) and has been at the 5 foul limit another 9 times. He has 33 more fouls than anyone else on the team.
His assist to turnover ratio is 0.82 compared to 1.94 for Stuckey. I compare them since they play the same position.
His per minute scoring is nearly the worst on the team and behind TRG.
His assist rate is also lower than TRG.
He gets to the line as infrequently as Austin Daye did.
His 3P% is 7th on the team. FG% is 10th. eFG% is 7th.
WS/min- abysmal.
PER- trashy
Production less opponent production: 10th on the team16 offensive fouls compared to 13 for Supercollider! Despite living mainly outside the paint, he has almost as many as Maxiell and Monroe.

His -51 on the season is probably his best stat. That ranks him 8th on the team, but most of the guys ahead of him are either Andre Drummond, traded, or have played far fewer minutes.

I don't think that he's doing anything terribly harmful out there on the court and I could be convinced that he's a glue guy of sorts (creates motion, gets garbage, makes surprising cuts now and then). However, let's be real. SG/ SF is a critical position in this league and he's a placeholder that is getting outproduced by superior opponents on a nightly basis. It's more important to find an upgrade for him than any other position. I'm not convinced that Singler would get playing time off of the bench for most playoff teams. If he did, it would be limited.

His efficiency at the start of the year was significantly better than it has been over the past 3+ months.

In 75 games, Singler has 42 single digit scoring performances, despite getting 67 starts and averaging nearly 30 mpg. His highest output ever was 20 points (on 17 FGA).
He only has 13 games with more than 1 three point make (i.e. the same exact number as Rodney Stuckey... who is a horrendous shooter).
He is the weakest non-PG rebounder on the team besides Missleton
He only has 3 games with more than 3 assists (4, 5, and 5).
He's fouled out 4 times (leads the team) and has been at the 5 foul limit another 9 times. He has 33 more fouls than anyone else on the team.
His assist to turnover ratio is 0.82 compared to 1.94 for Stuckey. I compare them since they play the same position.
His per minute scoring is nearly the worst on the team and behind TRG.
His assist rate is also lower than TRG.
He gets to the line as infrequently as Austin Daye did.
His 3P% is 7th on the team. FG% is 10th. eFG% is 7th.
WS/min- abysmal.
PER- trashy
Production less opponent production: 10th on the team16 offensive fouls compared to 13 for Supercollider! Despite living mainly outside the paint, he has almost as many as Maxiell and Monroe.

His -51 on the season is probably his best stat. That ranks him 8th on the team, but most of the guys ahead of him are either Andre Drummond, traded, or have played far fewer minutes.

I don't think that he's doing anything terribly harmful out there on the court and I could be convinced that he's a glue guy of sorts (creates motion, gets garbage, makes surprising cuts now and then). However, let's be real. SG/ SF is a critical position in this league and he's a placeholder that is getting outproduced by superior opponents on a nightly basis. It's more important to find an upgrade for him than any other position. I'm not convinced that Singler would get playing time off of the bench for most playoff teams. If he did, it would be limited.

His efficiency at the start of the year was significantly better than it has been over the past 3+ months.

Also, he might have the worst tattoo in the league:

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Thanks for stats TaS......You are right...he would barely get a sniff of PT on
any playoff bound team or pretender with those type of numbers.
You have to wonder if he swapped places with JJ or Middleton for say
10 games, would they have similar or better stats? He is consistent, but
mediocre consistent at best.

In 75 games, Singler has 42 single digit scoring performances, despite getting 67 starts and averaging nearly 30 mpg. His highest output ever was 20 points (on 17 FGA).
He only has 13 games with more than 1 three point make (i.e. the same exact number as Rodney Stuckey... who is a horrendous shooter).
He is the weakest non-PG rebounder on the team besides Missleton
He only has 3 games with more than 3 assists (4, 5, and 5).
He's fouled out 4 times (leads the team) and has been at the 5 foul limit another 9 times. He has 33 more fouls than anyone else on the team.
His assist to turnover ratio is 0.82 compared to 1.94 for Stuckey. I compare them since they play the same position.
His per minute scoring is nearly the worst on the team and behind TRG.
His assist rate is also lower than TRG.
He gets to the line as infrequently as Austin Daye did.
His 3P% is 7th on the team. FG% is 10th. eFG% is 7th.
WS/min- abysmal.
PER- trashy
Production less opponent production: 10th on the team16 offensive fouls compared to 13 for Supercollider! Despite living mainly outside the paint, he has almost as many as Maxiell and Monroe.

His -51 on the season is probably his best stat. That ranks him 8th on the team, but most of the guys ahead of him are either Andre Drummond, traded, or have played far fewer minutes.

I don't think that he's doing anything terribly harmful out there on the court and I could be convinced that he's a glue guy of sorts (creates motion, gets garbage, makes surprising cuts now and then). However, let's be real. SG/ SF is a critical position in this league and he's a placeholder that is getting outproduced by superior opponents on a nightly basis. It's more important to find an upgrade for him than any other position. I'm not convinced that Singler would get playing time off of the bench for most playoff teams. If he did, it would be limited.

His efficiency at the start of the year was significantly better than it has been over the past 3+ months.

The problem with Singler isn't Singler or Frank, its Joe. Joe constructed this dysfunctional mess. Stuckey simply could not perform. Then Joe traded 2 SFs. Unless you reactivate Maggette and see what he can do. Singler is IT.

Middleton was lost in the shuffle from day 1. I have no idea why they drafted him except as an option to compete with singler. Unless he goes bananas over the offseason, he's not going to beat out singler for a backup spot.

When you have too many parts that don't fit (stuckey, bynum, CV) and you have too many new faces (drummond, English, TRG, Middleton, Singler) you are going to over use the guys you can depend upon.

The problem with Singler isn't Singler or Frank, its Joe. Joe constructed this dysfunctional mess. Stuckey simply could not perform. Then Joe traded 2 SFs. Unless you reactivate Maggette and see what he can do. Singler is IT.

Middleton was lost in the shuffle from day 1. I have no idea why they drafted him except as an option to compete with singler. Unless he goes bananas over the offseason, he's not going to beat out singler for a backup spot.

When you have too many parts that don't fit (stuckey, bynum, CV) and you have too many new faces (drummond, English, TRG, Middleton, Singler) you are going to over use the guys you can depend upon.

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Middleton has been getting minutes. And he will continue to do so.

Next season we lose Maggette and we hopefully lose Maxiell/Bynum

I personally hope we get Calderon to stay, but I seriously doubt it. That is as clean a slate as you can get. The rest of the players on the team are ok (excluding BOT)

The problem with Singler isn't Singler or Frank, its Joe. Joe constructed this dysfunctional mess. Stuckey simply could not perform. Then Joe traded 2 SFs. Unless you reactivate Maggette and see what he can do. Singler is IT.

Middleton was lost in the shuffle from day 1. I have no idea why they drafted him except as an option to compete with singler. Unless he goes bananas over the offseason, he's not going to beat out singler for a backup spot.

When you have too many parts that don't fit (stuckey, bynum, CV) and you have too many new faces (drummond, English, TRG, Middleton, Singler) you are going to over use the guys you can depend upon.

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This is absolutely the case, and ironically a total turnaround from the start of the season, when SF was a total logjam of a position. Singler basically plays the 3 out of necessity, because the Pistons have no 3's other than Middleton, who's not strong enough to guard the bigger 3's in the league and isn't a whole lot more productive out there (even if he is their best player on both ends of the court). JJ and CV are cast there sometimes but that's because they're 4's that aren't strong enough to guard 4's. Magette is an expiring contract with feet, and Daye and Prince - who were the Pistons' best 3's about halfway through the year - were traded. It's so bad that Stuckey has actually gotten minutes at the 3, and he sucks at the positions he's meant to play.

Your SF should essentially be your most athletic player, and Singler does not fit that role at all. He's a backup 2/3 combo player, forced into starting because the group is just a collection of average-to-above-average spare parts that Frank has no idea how to combine into a cohesive unit. Like the rest of this team, he's a guy with a very specific skillset that is being asked to do things that he just can't.