Wizards of the Coast have put out a press releases detailing a lawsuit that was brought out against them from a small group of individuals who are judges at Magic: The Gathering tournaments.

The suit claims that since these judges are overseeing play at different tournaments that they in fact should be considered employees of Wizards of the Coast.

However, Wizards points out that they do not pay these judges except for the major championships that they actually run. The other small tournaments are run from local game stores and the stores coordinate the judges for these tournaments.

The full explanation from Wizards of the Coast can be found HERE. This does lead to an interesting question at what point is a person considered in the employment of an organization?

What do you think?

"...a lawsuit that was brought out against them from a small group of individuals who are judges at Magic: The Gathering tournaments"

How pathetic these guys are i bet no one asked themto do it and they volunteered probably through the love of the game, now become greedy i hope tgey lose. It will probably cost them more in legal fees in the end and the outcome they will not be organising any more events.

Interesting, if they are essentially volunteer’s who i presume have the entry fee to the tournaments waived or perform a free marketing exercise through demo games and other promotional activities etc. then the materials supplied and perks of “authority” would probably constitute all the payment they are entitled too. Would be interesting to see what the original complaint is about, and what if any contract they entered into to become a judge.

I would presume it would work in a similar manner to street teaming in the music industry where you as a “teamer” get sent promo copies of albums and other merch in exchange for wandering about and promoting the bands. In those sorts of the set up the teamers agreements tend to explicitly spell out that travel and other expenses are the “teamers” responsibility, with the free gig tickets, albums and other promo items being the only payment in kind they are entitled to, and they are obliged to provide proof of promotional activities.

Wouldnt be surprised that the lawsuits are being brought about by “power drunk” egomaniacs who believe that the success of magic in there local area is down to them entirely and not the marketing machine of hasbro, ah well they will probably be ebaying their decks to cover legal expenses and generally getting embittered when there absence from the meta has no effect what so ever, or even worse (for them) the new judges who take over from them do a better job and get a larger engagement with their local meta…

They claim is not really legit considering that all judges are volunteers that had to do judge test. But considering that WotC had lawsuit against Hex Entertainment and Cryptozooic involving HEX: Shards of Fate that ended to settlement with disclosed terms that WotC considered to be too similar to MtG I don’t feel sorry for WotC for getting sued over any reason even if it’s not legit.

That’s kind of a poor attitude. In what ways does Hex: Shards of Fate actually differ from MtG? It’s clearly not that different if Cryptozoic felt they had to settle rather than fight the claim in court.

Companies aren’t entitled to a free pass just because you like them better, or feel they are in some way the underdog in a particular fight.

I honestly don’t know where you are getting this is most likely from “power drunk egomaniacs who believe success of magic in their area is down to them entirely”; every judge I have met has been the complete opposite.

If anything, you are creating a straw man argument with regards to who might be bringing this law suit in the first place and what their motives might be (i.e. you’ve completely made up what this whole thing is about).

People are typically only judges because of their love for the game; the fact that they are compensated relatively poorly by WoC for the time and work they do should prove that.

I know of at least one story of a judge in America in the Seattle area, being told he had to make a 800 mile round trip to Portland, a trip he would not be compensated for in any way (he quit as a result).

WotC treat their judges pretty badly truth be told, and they can certainly make their life fairly miserable in terms of the hobby itself.

With regards to this lawsuit, my gut reaction is it has been brought about because of all the judge bans that occurred towards the end of last year with regards to the leaks. How can WotC ban people from judging (working) at their tournaments if they aren’t counted as being WotC employees?

The relationship between WotC and its judges wasn’t great even before this, I imagine the bans made things much worse.

Nothing wrong in trying to establish what your actual position is with regards a company you essentially do volunteer work for.

If a company is going to discipline people as though they work for them, then at the same time say they don’t employ them, then it sounds contradictory.

It sounds like it is something that should be established so everyone knows what their standing is.

Whether these people are right or not, that is entirely up to the US courts to decide, but I don’t think I’m wrong in saying that this law suit has come about in part due to the bans they imposed in December of last year rather than some mythical big head who thinks everyone is playing magic because of him.

Sorry, I ended my sentence in a full stop, I’ll finish it with a lol instead lol

Its not contradictory, they almost certainly had some terms and conditions attached to there judge title. Such as cant publically talk about things before a release date, but might get a heads up of something happening in a month or two, so hints could be given, like “not saying what to buy, but i would wait ” etc. Ultimately its about brand protection, as you don’t want an unofficial spokesmen presenting them selves as though they have some position of authority within the brand. Bottom line (and it always is about the bottom line with these sorts of things) depending on the severity of the leak, it could well have cost them a lot more than the entire promotional budget which the actual employee who liases with the judges has to run the team, so its only right and fair that they have the right to say your services are surplus to requirement, or you no longer get sent promo items.

@fleetey My “power drunk” comment is indeed a massive generalisation and has NOTHING to with magic in particular, nor is it indicative of the behaviour of the vast majority of volunteers, but does stem from real world experience running promotional teams of volunteers who while initially do it for the love; with time certain personality types start thinking they are bigger than the team and that they are entitled for compensation for time and effort invested, which simply isnt the case, was never on offer and not what they signed up to. if this is just about sour grapes about being dropped as a judge as they couldnt honour an NDA/prerelease agreement then thats a shame but just proves it only takes a few bad apples to spoil it for everyone.

If there is an expectation to make an 800 mile round trip and someone quit over it, then its understandable and a shame, but thats the natural pulse of a volunteer team, when the commitment gets to much, starts taking over life and ultimately they/you feel that the returns dont justify the investment, then its time to move on, as there will be dozens of people chomping at the bit to fill the gap.

Ultimately volunteer promotional teams (judging tournaments is ultimately a promotional activity) are not created or run for the benevolence of fans, but rather to exploit there fandom, and get some grass roots marketing for free (as well getting some less official marketing done, i.e. i had been known to ask people to reorganise cd positions in shops to make the focus of promotion more prominen or to sticker prominent public places, could only do that as the teamer’s were not anything to do with the companies i worked for merely some passionate individuals we could ship promotional materials too and put on a guest list at gigs to hand said materials out at). As soon as it starts to cost more to run than traditional press engagements and freebies then teams like that get canned, and suing them over it is probably going to bring in unwelcome changes to the rest of the judges.

I think this has the potential to have a significant impact on OP volunteer schemes. Employment laws exist in part to prevent exploitation of a workforce. If what WotC are asking from their judges in terms of workload and relationship is tantamount to employment, then they have rights as employees. WotC can’t circumvent that just by having them sign on as volunteers. Or at least they can until and unless someone successfully challenges them, much as football could hold the rights to a player even after their contract had expired until Jean-Marc Bosman successfully challenged it. I know nowhere enough about either the WotC judges scheme nor US employment law to know how likely they are to win this class action suit. At the very least there is a lawyer who thinks it is winnable, or at least settle-out-of-court-able. Regardless of which way it goes, the end result is it could force a formalisation of what exactly can be expected of a volunteer.

Agreed, if anything as soon as they are “official” representatives of a company then a lot of the attraction and essentially the budget for running these sorts of things is removed from the companies point of view.

Pretty sure the law (US and UK) is in WotC favour following some similar litigation regarding record companies (ab)use of street teams, where it was found the benefit in kind received was all that they were entitled too, as there was no obligation or detriment to the team members (no ones livelihood was at stake) if they didn’t do promotional activities other than surrendering there position on the team, sure people felt hard done by and taken advantage of, but its not like the music industry doesn’t have a track record of that, end of the day its business, even one based around a hobby/entertainment, doesn’t stop the depersonalising basics of profit and loss applying…

I’m taking a look over the suit now. It seems as if the nuts and bolts are that the plaint claims the judges work around 25 per month, are treated by WotC as representatives of the company, and are subject to discipline by them. This constitutes an employer/employee relationship under the Fair Labor Standards Act and the California Labor Code, and entitle them to minimum pay, overtime pay, reasonable expenses, rest periods, and missed meal and missed rest period pay. It does allege that the work of all Magic judges are essential to the sale of the product, and that WotC profits from this.

Do Magic judges get any form of recompense for their volunteering? The plaint doesn’t seem to mention anything. I get store credit from Ninja Division for running Relic Knights events which I think is about the equivalent of the US minimum wage. Also, do Magic judges have to be available for 25 hours per month as standard? If so then that definitely seems to me to be at the point where you are working for the company. It’s not like you run a tournament down the local store once a month and get some freebies from the company in exchange.

If they get any kind of discount on product, free stuff (even T-shirts) it could probably be argues as benefit in kind.

I’m not into magic at all so I have no clue about the history of this situation, it seems an odd place to end up though, so I’m guessing someone has lost out on something at some point and got annoyed.

This is just arm chair lawyering but after reading about half of the brief on scribd I honestly don’t see the judges having much of a case. If wizards organized the events and hired the judges then sure, however they very clearly do not. My FLGS puts on a magic tournament at least once a month. Usually organized by the owner. Even the pre releases are organized by the owner with the assistance of wizards providing symbiotic marketing. Ultimately the FLGS would be responsible for paying the judges not wizards. The plaintiffs can’t get blood out of a stone so they claim to be employed by wizards. If the plaintiffs succeed say goodbye to ANY official company support of organized play in the U.S. btw

The training, testing, and ranking means there’s more to it than just attending and running tournaments. Likewise being held to standards and being disciplined by WotC. Once again, I have no idea how much time any this actually takes or what rewards the judges do already receive, so have no idea how this will go, but I think there’s more to it than just the tournaments they judge at

I think it really comes down to if the training and testing cost the judge anything other than reasonable cost i.e. travel and food, (its not like you get to claim the cost of travel back from most job interviews…), if it was provided FoC/at WotC expense the fact they received it can be considered payment, i really think the judges in question here dont have much of a case having read through the brief it boils down to this:

- They think of them selves as employees, even though they are volunteers - As they claim they are employees, then employment law applies - The main justification of being an employee is spending 25 hours a month per judge level to stay up to date - They perform duties beneficial to WotC (marketing and demo games basically) - Conspicuously absent is any mention of any of the perks they may receive

The biggest and most obvious weak point in there argument is the 25hours claim, which has the unmistakable reek of a number plucked from arse about it. The description of what’s entailed maintaining certification sounds like they stay up to date with a judges forum, and read the errata. So in effect they claim that because they spend less than a hour a day a month reading a forum and some emails then they are employees, or in other words they do what pretty much any one else with an above interest in a given game does and stay current. So effectively they are doing, what YOU are doing right now by reading a news and comments section on a website, do any of us think BoW should be compensating us for accessing information through there website? Ofcourse not, but because these 4 claimants spend a lot of time pursuing there judicial duties (taken on for personal gratification, its not like any one got strong armed into being one…) they feel compensation is due, even though they probably would spend as much time on said websites and interacting with the magic community even if they weren’t judges.

Would be amazed if this doesnt get dismissed outright, especially if there is a judges contract or agreement they signed to recognised as one, as it would almost certainly protect WotC from this sort of thing…