No I don't agree with that... for example the rounding up and deliberate killing of civilians including women and children is a more serious offence than driving through a red traffic light.

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Again 3 murders does NOT make you better in anyway then someone who killed 1417

Well, the deliberate killing of civilians in defence of expropriated land makes you worse in several ways to anyone firing rockets onto their own territory as a protest at the lack of legal solutions. What you call '3 murders' is an anecdotal uncorroborated story that couldn't possibly form the basis of a prosecution at the ICC.

No I don't agree with that... for example the rounding up and deliberate killing of civilians including women and children is a more serious offence than driving through a red traffic light.

This is were your wrong again

Hamas WAS deliberately targeting civilians when they were lobbing rockets at no military targets even remotely near by . Shows intent to target civilians even if they only managed to murder 3 , it could have been in the hundreds or even thousands - Hence why I keep saying the numbers means nothing it is the crime that matters both sides committed crime of murder

Well, the deliberate killing of civilians in defence of expropriated land makes you worse in several ways to anyone firing rockets onto their own territory as a protest at the lack of legal solutions.

I would grant you that the bloodthirsty Israeli zealots are showing the bloodthirsty Palestinain zealots how things are done in the bloodthirsty zealot business. I think Carp's point is they are both equally guilty of simply being bloodthirsty zealots in the first place ...

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What you call '3 murders' is an anecdotal uncorroborated story that couldn't possibly form the basis of a prosecution at the ICC.

... as well as pertaining to your later reply to Carp:

From the Commission's findings:

"A/HRC/12/48page 462

1681. Between 18 June 2008 and 31 July 2009, there were four fatalities in Israel as a consequence of rocket and mortar fire from Gaza, of which there were three civilian and one military casualties.

1682. On 27 December 2008, Beber Vaknin, 58 years of age, of Netivot was killed when a rocket fired from Gaza hit an apartment building in Netivot.

1683. On 29 December 2008, Hani al-Mahdi, 27 years of age, of Aroar, a Bedouin settlement in the Negev, was killed when a Grad-type missile fired from Gaza exploded at a construction site in Ashkelon. On the same day, in a separate incident, Irit Sheetrit, 39 years of age, was killed and several wounded when a Grad rocket exploded in the centre of Ashdod. The al-Qassam Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack."

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As well as:

"A/HRC/12/48page 473

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1721. From the facts it ascertained, the Mission finds that the Palestinian armed groups have failed in their duty to protect and respect civilians. Even though the al-Qassam Brigades and other armed groups in Gaza have recently claimed that they do not intend to harm civilians, the fact that they continue to launch rockets at populated areas without any definite military targets and are aware of the consequences to civilians indicates an intent to target civilians. Furthermore, the launching of unguided rockets and mortars breaches the fundamental principle of distinction: an attack must distinguish between military and civilian targets. Where there is no intended military target and the rockets and mortars are launched into civilian areas, they constitute a deliberate attack against the civilian population.

1722. Given the apparent inability of the Palestinian armed groups to aim rockets and mortars at specific targets and, the fact that the attacks have caused very little damage to Israeli military assets, it is plausible that one of the primary purposes of these continued attacks is to spread terror – prohibited under international humanitarian law -among the civilian population of southern Israel.

1723. The above view is supported by public statements of the armed groups, such as that made by Hamas on 5 November 2008. Following an Israeli raid in Gaza1061 which resulted in the death of five Hamas militants1062, a Hamas spokesman stated “The Israelis began this tension and they must pay an expensive price… They cannot leave us drowning in blood while they sleep soundly in their beds”.1063 As noted in Chapter XVI, reprisal attacks cannot be carried out against a civilian population.

1724. From the facts available, the Mission finds that the rocket and mortars attacks, launched by Palestinian armed groups in Gaza, have caused terror in the affected communities of southern Israel and in Israel as a whole. Furthermore, it is the Mission’s view that the mortars and rockets

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A/HRC/12/48page 474

are uncontrolled and uncontrollable, respectively. This indicates the commission of an indiscriminate attack on the civilian population of southern Israel, a war crime, and may amount to crimes against humanity. These attacks have caused loss of life and physical and mental injury to civilians and damage to private houses, religious buildings and property and have eroded the economic and cultural life of the affected communities."

Yes it is natural for Hamas to lob rockets at civilian targets , they do that all the time.

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Well, that's uncorroborated.

So is the 1417 , like I said the numbers can change dramatically .

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Sounds a bit improbable... more likely to have been none.

Only means that Hamas is either unlucky or just terrible at shooting strait - Most of Hamas rockets landed in parks and in the middle of streets , fortunately their rockets did not hit a crowded market or populated centers . Really it was just by chance those rockets are really just dumb bombs .

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I don't agree with that - numbers mean a lot when assessing war crimes

You should know better , numbers onlys comes into play when it goes to court as in counts of crime 3 -vs- 1417 . Still one murder is still one murder as a crime goes

I would grant you that the bloodthirsty Israeli zealots are showing the bloodthirsty Palestinain zealots how things are done

I don't know about bloodthirsty - I think you're going a bit over the top with that... more like Israel is determined to keep Palestinian land by force including giving 'em a bloody good hiding for trying to get it back, and the Palestinians are not prepared to give it up - quite rightly in my opinion.

IMOI believe that is because the Palestinians never ever said that Israel has the Right to Exist - If they said that I bet that things will change dramatically , since Israel will now have no right to continue the oppression and defend themselves from terror attacks .

Right to Exist - 3 easy words to say and yet they refused to say it - While Egypt , Jordan and Syria have all said those words . Kinda sad when you think about , the deaths and pain will continue

Prove it. The deaths are presented as fact in the report. Are you privy to information the Commission was not?

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Not disputed.

In your response to Carp earlier you stated the Commission did not find that Palestinians were deliberately and intentionally targeting civilian populations. That statement is contradicted by the conclusions on those pages of the report ...

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