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Thank you OP, for this wonderful example of why we should never post while under the influence of alcohol and/or other intoxicating substances.

We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!(repeat ad infinitum)

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Okay. You know what? No.

Remember that self-entitlement thread I posted? This reeks of it. Oh gods does it ever reek of it. The employees can't have anything nice because Mr. Gamer, who's so much of a spoilt brat, can't stand the thought of things being more expensive just so that the creative minds behind the game they want are happy.

Your money, making other people happy? Oh, perish the thought! Guild Wars 2 should be completely free! No cash shop, no box price, no anything. And the developers should be happily destitute just to please you.

Get over yourself.

Yes, the cash shop is there to raise profits, so that they can actually give employees bonuses like that. And? That's evil now? Geez. If some of you guys had your way the games industry would look like a sweatshop. And in some of the bigger publishing houses, it's actually already like that.

Frankly? I would give ArenaNet more money knowing that they give at least something of a shit about employee happiness than I would to other developers. Yes, I'm going to give money to Notch, too. He cares. ArenaNet cares. But here I'm seeing too many Mini-Koticks in the making, and that's making me feel more than a little bit quesy.

The biggest problem with traditional MMORPG fans is a hugely over-inflated sense of self-entitlement and self-importance. And that's coming through in this thread like nothing else.

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Oh boy, the self entitlement schtick. That's made me change sides. Yeah, we all are not paying Arenanet $60 dollars for the game. We are instead imposing on them for their kind charity, and should be greatful that they let us have the privilage of doing so. I should not feel so entitled to a complete game, but one handed to me in bits and pieces as deemed fit by the uncorruptable minds who control it. I was wrong to assume that they would ever have a conflict of interest in designing the cash shop, as they have the cosmos.

So I just joined the white knight for Arenanet brigade. Where's my free copy of Guild Wars 2 that the Arenanet defense league gets? Nothing? No beta invites either? Not even being friended on facebook?

I think one guy related the post to the cash shop. Kudos to you Sir. This state seems to be a pro-cash shop and take our money one on election day.

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Originally posted by Betakodo

Oh boy, the self entitlement schtick. That's made me change sides. Yeah, we all are not paying Arenanet $60 dollars for the game. We are instead imposing on them for their kind charity, and should be greatful that they let us have the privilage of doing so. I should not feel so entitled to a complete game, but one handed to me in bits and pieces as deemed fit by the uncorruptable minds who control it. I was wrong to assume that they would ever have a conflict of interest in designing the cash shop, as they have the cosmos.

So I just joined the white knight for Arenanet brigade. Where's my free copy of Guild Wars 2 that the Arenanet defense league gets? Nothing? No beta invites either? Not even being friended on facebook?

I think one guy related the post to the cash shop. Kudos to you Sir. This state seems to be a pro-cash shop and take our money one on election day.

Betakodo, GW2 doesn't seem to be your game.

Have you tried SWTOR? You would LOVE that game! It has the best personal story and the devs are so into their players. The community is awesome.

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GW1 was my kind of game and GW2 seems like it is too. I don't immediately bow down and agree to whatever Anet comes up with though, AKA this cash shop. Bought Propheses, Factions, Nightfall, Eye of the North. There was not this cash shop bs when the GW1 was alive.. That's what this is about, well that and people saying Anet is so poooor they need the cash shop.

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Originally posted by Betakodo

GW1 was my kind of game and GW2 seems like it is too. I don't immediately bow down and agree to whatever Anet comes up with though, AKA this cash shop. Bought Propheses, Factions, Nightfall, Eye of the North. There was not this cash shop bs when the GW1 was alive.. That's what this is about, well that and people saying Anet is so poooor they need the cash shop.

Please explain, as elaborately as you can, your EXACT problems with the cash shop.

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Originally posted by Betakodo

"Everyone here at ArenaNet received iPads during our 2010 holiday party". According to a gamebreaker's interview they had 270 employees. I heard they had around the 200s for a while. Costs of Ipads at launch: ~$500. Multiply that by 200 for a too fair estimate and you got 100k. They don't seem like the poor victims, millions of players are giving them $60 a box now are they? They shouldn't have before.

Oh poor Anet, whatever will they do when they develop an expansion and charge us $50 for it? How will they pay for future development? Ignore the profit they just made from the box sales of course, the devil known as the players take that while Arenanet sits in rags.

Modern games give WAYYY more profit than their SNES counterparts. More players, gaming is mainstream now. Hey, even the developers get to act like celebrities now instead of programing the game, see Arenanet. In the old days, we didn't have developers doing that, they got magazine interviews rarely and more of a preview/review of the GAME. No flying all over the country, to Europe and Korea.

We must unite, brothers! To defeat the cash shop menace! Twitter @GuildWars2 or go to their facebook page and post your outrage!

big deal. lucky anet employees. my employer gave me nothing.

but i'd like to point out that if anet paid retail on those ipads, they did it wrong. i reckon they'd have got a hardcore discount for ordering 200 of them. so your knowledge of business is meh. also, it'd be a tax write-off which in the end would've cost them nothing and gained only employee satisfaction.

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Yes. Grab the pitchforks. ~100 000 $ is such a huge expense in scale of 200 employees, MMO studio!

Seriously? You maybe can buy 10 server blades for that kind of cash, probably not even that if You want top of the line ones. Licences for the software used to develop the game alone cost way more and that's just fraction of game design costs.