re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger(Posted by GumboPot on 12/28/12 at 10:10 am to Lsut81)

quote:espite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.

HIgh risk high reward (not only for HL but for everyone other conscientious objector too).

In terms of eternity (which the owner obviously believes in) this is just a picosecond blip on the radar. At least that is the view of most believers in God. This is a bigger fight than a fight against one political side, it's a fight for good. This is the perspective I see the owner of HL coming from. The secular left is too blind to see this perspective.

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger(Posted by kingbob on 12/28/12 at 1:40 pm to TheFolker)

quote:Maybe they object to anything outside of Natural Childbirth on religious grounds... Would you allow them to carve out coverage for epidurals?

Sure. As long as employees were informed of the policy. Nobody is forcing anybody to work at Hobby Lobby. Why do you hate freedom?

Exactly!!!! If you want health care that covers what you want it to cover, either buy that coverage yourself or work for a company that provides that coverage. Time for my related csb.

My oldest brother had cancer (brain tumor) when he was 5. My father was fortunate to work for a company that covered in their health plan most of the treatments he needed at the time AND much of the continued treatments he needed after recovery (annual check-ups, growth hormone shots, hearing aids, ect.)

My dad also had offers to work for other companies that would have paid him a much higher salary and offered a better pension. However, he knew that if he left his company, he wouldn't have a plan that covered all of those expensive treatments. In other words, the market worked. My father worked the job that had the plan he wanted that fit his needs rather than demanding that all companies pay for that treatment no matter what.

re: Hobby Lobby gives Obamacare the finger(Posted by Rex on 12/28/12 at 3:12 pm to Layabout)

quote:They run a secular enterprise and employ secular people so let them abide by secular law. Render unto Caesar. It's not as if it's an order of nuns peddling their crafts.

That's correct. They enjoy the advantages of incorporation so they should be forced to abide the rules common to all such corporations. To grant them a waiver would be governmental favoritism of their particular version of religion, which would be a constitutional breach.

Their contention that their religious tenets are being violated is a stretch to begin with... they, themselves, are not making the choice to use morning after pills. Their objection to not having to pay for such coverage is akin to a pacifist refusing to pay taxes because he views killing by soldiers immoral.