Dimensio:Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.

President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.

I wonder how much he got "donated" to superPACs that support him for that line. He knew he'd be looking at a Republican dominated house after this election (Yay Gerrymandering!) so the opportunity to actually sign such a piece of legislation was zero. He should be selected as "Firearm salesman of the year" again in 2013.

hdhale:"What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." --Barrack Obama

Then Mr. President, you are a moron, or at least so steeped in nonsensical political rhetoric, you can't see the facts.

Chicago, the place where you, Mr. President cut your political teeth, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest murder rates, violent crime rates, and highest incidents of gun violence.

Across the US, generally speaking, the places that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. During your administration, Mr. President, the number of semiautomatic rifles on the streets of the US has skyrocketed, as have the number of semiautomatic pistols that come equipped with clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. If what you are saying is true, the US should now resemble Beirut during the high of the civil war there in the 1980s. In reality, the national violent crime rate has declined.

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At best, there is no correlation between gun laws and the violent crime rate, if anything it is a negative correlation.

You, Mr. President, have work out a plan to see that trillions in debt is repaid. You have to work out a budget and get it through Congress that is balanced or at least heading in that direction just once during your time in office. We have enemies in foreign lands who have stated that they will kill us if given the chance. We have enemies both in foreign lands and domestically that poison our children with drugs and thus far we have shown no ability to stop them. The money spent on making sure Billy Bob can't get his 7.62 semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round clip would be much better spent on mental health diagnosis and treatment and programs that steer youth away from gangs and drugs in our inner cities. You, Mr. President, have other things to worr ...

Dude, you got trolled by a master. Seriously, since no AWB showed up in early 2009, it never will. As far as I can tell Obama wanted to see if the dog whistle really works in a way that could be measured. I think the answer is "Oh shiat, Pavlov was right!"

When card hold NRA member middle-aged white men stockpile restricted firearms, mags, and ammo - it's because why? The King of England or some shiat?

But when Sideshow Bob does it, it's because he's obviously a psycho and people should have seen his murder rampage coming a mile away?And god forbid a Black or Hispanic person even own a firearm. That would be grounds for being deported, even if they were born here.

The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.

dittybopper:dr_blasto: Sybarite: I remember I went to buy some rounds for the range shortly after the 2008 election, not even thinking anything about it, and walked into the place I usually purchase from to find the shelves more depleted that I've ever seen them. The guy behind the counter tells me that they've put everything they had in stock on the shelves and it would be a while before they got another shipment. It was only then that it struck me that the place had been emptied by the raving nutbags. I just had to shake my head and laugh.

I looked online at the typical sellers. Almost all of them are out of non-match non-tracer 5.56/.223

It's always the stupid people ruining all the fun stuff for everyone else.

I love this: "Idiots are buying up all the ammo *I* wanted to buy!".

I have yet to note a shortage of black powder, linen, lead, or flints.

I really want a cap-and-ball BP pistol reproduction. Those things are neat.

MadHatter500:Dude, you got trolled by a master. Seriously, since no AWB showed up in early 2009, it never will. As far as I can tell Obama wanted to see if the dog whistle really works in a way that could be measured. I think the answer is "Oh shiat, Pavlov was right!"

I wouldn't say never. During the 1st term, Obama had this free healthcare thing he wanted to push through. All of his capital was spent on that, then it was time to keep quiet so he could win re-election. Now, he's got no worry on re-election for the following year so if he wanted, he could blow his wad on this. Honestly, I don't think he will. That's one area where he's surprised me - in spite of his personal leanings, he actually signed the law that allowed firearms in Federal parks.

Dimensio:basemetal: A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.

I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.//And lots of powder and primers.

I was reading some gun threads on reddit/r/guns and some people were reporting primers as hard to get or very expensive.

I'm sure that there is absolutely no reason why the firearms industry supported NRA would make false claims or induce a false panic in gun-toting retards. Certainly no reason that I can think of. Nope, none at all. I'd say that it's all on the up-and-up, so you better stock up now before Obammy comes to confiscate your guns and ammo! Glock is running a post-election special right now - 2 guns for the price of 3! Hurry, while supplies last!

trotsky:Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around.

Century is just an importer. I have a Yugo AK from them that I would take the pepsi challenge with it to any other semi-auto AK. Even their cheapo WASR-10's will go bang every time you pull the trigger and put the bullet within a salad plate at 200 yards, which is all you can ask out of an assault rifle.

Nofun:Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?

These are the same people who bought firearms at a 400% markup when he was elected last time and ended up having to sell them all for pennies on the dollar when the economy collapsed. Now they are doing the same thing again, because like Obama will take all their guns just like he did the last time he was elected. After all the NRA said so, and so you should have voted for the guy who signed in the massive restrictions to gunrights in MA when he was Governor instead of the guy who has done nothing to restrict firearms access whatsoever.

2CountyFairs:The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.

The real fear is that a UN Small Arms treaty, even if the US doesn't sign it, might make foreign ammo and guns more expensive, and perhaps unattainable in some cases, in the US. That will drive prices up, cut down the diversity of guns available for a while, and perhaps permanently limit the types of guns and ammo that could be imported, not because we won't let it in, but because the signatories have agreed not to sell them anymore.

The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).

havocmike:It would be nice if we had that ban on assault weapons back..

Safety aside, it's be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.

What "lolz" would result from prohibiting a popular subset of a rarely criminally misused class of firearms based upon cosmetic appearance?

MadHatter500:Dimensio: Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.

President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.

I wonder how much he got "donated" to superPACs that support him for that line. He knew he'd be looking at a Republican dominated house after this election (Yay Gerrymandering!) so the opportunity to actually sign such a piece of legislation was zero. He should be selected as "Firearm salesman of the year" again in 2013.

A possibility exists that President Obama is genuinely as ignorant of firearm issues as "birthers" are of reality.

dittybopper:2CountyFairs: The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.

The real fear is that a UN Small Arms treaty, even if the US doesn't sign it, might make foreign ammo and guns more expensive, and perhaps unattainable in some cases, in the US. That will drive prices up, cut down the diversity of guns available for a while, and perhaps permanently limit the types of guns and ammo that could be imported, not because we won't let it in, but because the signatories have agreed not to sell them anymore.

The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).

That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

2CountyFairs:That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

pxlboy:If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.

Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.

I mean, I thought my parents were pretty smart, but they're card-carrying NRA members and buy into it (heh) lock, stock, and barrel. Rahm Emanuel being in Chicago, home of the local gun ban? Proof. The increased sales? More proof. High ammo prices? Still more proof. If Obama never tries it, they and their NRA buddies will be smug because they'll know, they'll just know, their angry rhetoric stopped the HUSSEIN Obummer from taking their guns.

The Irresponsible Captain:Obama will take away our guns!Obama will take away our guns!Obama will take away our guns![bmadore.squarespace.com image 800x430]Obama will take away our guns!

/You've won. Shuddup already.

As soon as people stop spreading the lies, misinformation, and fear associated with "look, a guy got shot with a crossbow! BAN ASSAULT RIFLES!" and other such talking points, we'll be happy to stop bringing up data to refute the claims.

djh0101010:pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.

Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.

Kit Fister:djh0101010: pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.

Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.

This.

After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.

dittybopper:2CountyFairs: That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

They are a tiny subset.

Unfortunately, that "tiny subset" is also the most prominent in their objections, and thus counter-arguments are tailored to their irrational concerns rather than to legitimate concerns regarding firearm and ammunition imports.

Kit Fister:As soon as people stop spreading the lies, misinformation, and fear associated with "look, a guy got shot with a crossbow! BAN ASSAULT RIFLES!" and other such talking points, we'll be happy to stop bringing up data to refute the claims.

Please, do show us the data explaining how Obama is all set to take all the guns now that he's won the election.

Dimensio:dittybopper: 2CountyFairs: That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

They are a tiny subset.

Unfortunately, that "tiny subset" is also the most prominent in their objections, and thus counter-arguments are tailored to their irrational concerns rather than to legitimate concerns regarding firearm and ammunition imports.

Doesn't that pretty much apply to everything? The squeaky wheel, and all that? Is that not, in fact, a perfect encapsulation of human nature?

Mrs. JailhouseFistfark and I did enjoin the NRA to gain free access to the gun show last year. Furthermore, I live only a few miles from the NRA headquarters where they have a lovely shooting range and membership in their organization affords me a discount on range-time. McBOOM.

Indeed, the Derp factor is alarming, and unfortunately that demographic can rationalize pretty much everything. No appeal to fact or reason will register. When you point out that he signed that National Parks act, they say, "Oh, well he HAD to do that to get the credit card bill passed" or some such thing. Derp.

And Dick's Sporting Goods has discounts on the ammo, though as someone else pointed out, it's still expensive. Winchester 9mm Lugar is regularly $14 for a 50-round box, right now on sale for about $11. CheaperThanDirt's got sweet deals on bulk, but then the shipping can make the cost close to the Gun and Sporting Goods store's sale prices.

I do like the shooting, though, as it is an extension of my penis. This is particularly true for my deliciously phallic Mossberg 500 12ga. shotgun. Oh, to stroke the pump action as it discharges it's thick and potent slug is immensely gratifying. The heat, the thrust of the butt, firmly and irresistably squeezing that trigger until it releases again...such power, it is glorious. Afterwards we are bruised and spent.

PanicMan:dittybopper: After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.

All I heard him say this election is that he'd see if it was possible. And it's not possible. He doesn't have the votes. This would be filibustered and challenged in the courts.

This election wasn't about legislation. It was about the Supreme Court. Heller and McDonald were both decided by bare 5 to 4 majorities.

AngryJailhouseFistfark:I do like the shooting, though, as it is an extension of my penis. This is particularly true for my deliciously phallic Mossberg 500 12ga. shotgun. Oh, to stroke the pump action as it discharges it's thick and potent slug is immensely gratifying. The heat, the thrust of the butt, firmly and irresistably squeezing that trigger until it releases again...such power, it is glorious. Afterwards we are bruised and spent.