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Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

I'm sorry, but to spend 14M on Haren with his questionable health is stupid in my opinion. There's a reason why he wasn't traded yesterday and it wasn't financial.

lol ok boss.. marmol making 9mil and their inability to haggle out how much money would be included apparently had nothing to do with the fact that the deal fell through... right

btw, haren already said in that same interview that his back is fine, and the splits from last year bear that out

he was worth about 6 WAR for the past 4 years before last year, when he was only worth about 3... that's CC levels of WAR, and if you don't think 14mil for one year is worth it, well, then i don't know what to say.. maybe you'd prefer spending that money on another reliever?

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

My friend who is a big Indians fan always tries to play GM with me every year and ask me deals. Last year it was Chris Perez for Nick Swisher, this year he went a little larger and asked Granderson and Nova for Choo, Lindor, and Sipp. I usually laugh off his deals but this one kind of perked my interest. Indians get their power hitter to plug between Cabrera and Santana in Granderson who can make short work of their own short porch and a cost controlled pitcher to add to their less than impressive staff. While the Yankees get a top 30 prospect in Lindor, a solid lefty in Sipp to add to Logan(Who I'd look to trade), Cabrera, and Rapada, and then Choo to replace Swisher.

I'd re-sign Martin 2 years 11 million, 3rd year team option for 7 million or a one million dollar buyout. So he'll at least make 2/12 which I think is pretty solid. Also re-sign Mo, something like 1 year 12 million? Pettitte again, one year $6 million? Obviously I'm not going to hit these salaries dead on but within a couple of million. I'd be on Dan Haren, one year $10 to 12 million, similar to Kuroda this season. Torii Hunter as well. One year $8 to 10 million? Same thing for Ichrio. I know, both Ichiro and Hunter seems a little much but with the DH spot open, I think we could get them all enough ABs. Chavez being re-signed as well, one year $2 million.

So in short being re-signed: Mo, Pettitte, Martin, Ichiro, and Chavez. Free agents: Hunter and Haren

CC
Pettitte
Haren
Hughes
Phelps
-Pineda could come up and help as well later on.

Pettitte, Haren, and Hughes will be in their final years of their contracts, so they'd really need Pineda to step up this year.

The bullpen would have room to grow with a lot of good young arms coming up as well. Joba, Aardsma, and Mo will most likely be in their final years too. so Montgomery, Whitely, and Betances could play a big part towards the end of the season.

Salary would be around 202 to 204 million, again, but you'd again have a lot of money coming off the books for 2014 and could really get under the 189 limit.

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

We need some youth. Hunter is fine if we're not keeping Ichiro. But I'd like a guy in his prime at least. Tough to find but we need to make an effort, unless we think the youngings in the minors will be ready in the next 2 years.

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

Originally Posted by Gob Rules

We need some youth. Hunter is fine if we're not keeping Ichiro. But I'd like a guy in his prime at least. Tough to find but we need to make an effort, unless we think the youngings in the minors will be ready in the next 2 years.

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet

Haren bites? The guy struggled through a back strain during the first half of 2012, but finished strong. His splits clearly show this.

He's consistently been one of the best starting pitchers in the game for 7 years, and is far from finished at age 32. I see no reason why he won't bounce back strong in 2013, and he's definitely worth a one year gamble, although I'd offer him a $10 million base salary with incentives that could potentially earn him $14-15 million.

Although I don't want to suggest that Haren is definitively finished, this comment brought to mind Donny Baseball, whose career was clearly impacted by back problems.

Not saying that Haren can't come back - just saying that back issues have a bad habit of resurfacing.

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

why even bother offering him a deal, if you're gonna do that? he proved he was healthy at the end of last season

if you look at the list of free agent SP, haren is actually probably the 3rd best pitcher available, after greinke and possible edwin jackson, but the yankees clearly won't go near greinke, and edwin jackson always seems to get paid far more than his performance dictates

considering the yankees could use an arm or 2, and barring a trade, going after haren makes a lot of sense

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

Although I don't want to suggest that Haren is definitively finished, this comment brought to mind Donny Baseball, whose career was clearly impacted by back problems.

Not saying that Haren can't come back - just saying that back issues have a bad habit of resurfacing.

Extremely different scenarios - Mattingly suffered through back problems since age 29 and played through 5 years of agony - he had a structural issue.

Haren suffered through a back strain, which is hard to heal when you exert yourself every 4-5 days. He regained his health after the All Star break and proved his physical issues were not an ongoing issue.

Re: New York Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Outlook

Colon just got $3 million plus big incentives. No way Haren is going to get less than $7 million.

And he's coming off a 116 ERA+ season. Haren last year ERA+ was 87.

Some teams may give him $10M guarantee money, but I don't want the Yankees to be that team.

Originally Posted by Zimmers' Helmet

Haren suffered through a back strain, which is hard to heal when you exert yourself every 4-5 days. He regained his health after the All Star break and proved his physical issues were not an ongoing issue.