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BeauHDon Friday March 09, 2018 @05:30PM
from the software-aided dept.

An anonymous reader quotes an exclusive report from Motherboard: Through a software-aided investigation, Motherboard has found that while YouTube has managed to clamp down on Islamic extremists uploading propaganda, the video giant is still awash with videos supporting violent and established neo-Nazi organizations, even when, in some cases, users have reported the offending videos. Clips of neo-Nazi propaganda operations, hate-filled speeches, and extremists pushing for direct action have remained on the site for weeks, months, or years at a time. Arguably, many if not all of these videos may fall under YouTube's own policy on hate speech, which "refers to content that promotes violence against or has the primary purpose of inciting hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes," including race or ethnic origin, religion, and sexual orientation, according to the policy.

Motherboard built a tool to monitor YouTube and make a record of when the platform removed certain videos, and limited the clips to propaganda for established neo-Nazi and far-right terrorist organizations like Atomwaffen, rather than people in the so-called "alt-right." Most of the videos were discovered through simple YouTube searches of relevant organizations' names, or sometimes through the "recommended videos" sidebar after Motherboard had built up a browsing history of neo-Nazi material. For the sake of comparison, over a week-long period Motherboard also tracked pro-ISIS videos uploaded by the group's supporters and then distributed through a network of Telegram channels. Typically, YouTube removed these Islamic extremism videos in a matter of hours, including those that did not contain images of violence, but were instead speeches or other not directly violent content. But YouTube is playing catch up with neo-Nazi material. YouTube removed only two videos that Motherboard was monitoring: two identical clips of a speech from UK terrorist organization National Action.

When so many on the left refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi the term has becoming meaningless. Maybe calling anyone with an R next to their name a nazi is a joke. I really don't know. It certainly won't end well at the polls when regular people vote for a 'correction' like they did in 2016, Brexit, and most recently Italy.

OK, I'll bite. Find me a critical mass of people seriously calling Michele Bachmann or John McCain a nazi.

Weev is a nazi. Richard Spencer is close enough to a nazi that the difference is sampling error. Paul Ryan is not a nazi. "So many on the left" (whoever that refers to) don't need to call people nazis just for having an "R" next to their name when there are enough actual nazis around.

It certainly won't end well at the polls when regular people vote for a 'correction' like they did in 2016, Brexit, and most recently Italy.

You forgot France, and probably ignored the rather important points that Obama was seen as an outsider in 2008, and that

Spoken like a true Berntard. Cuck Sanders couldn't even beat the most hated woman in America.

Spoken like a true Hillbot, still trying to gaslight people that the 2016 primary wasn't rigged. Long before we knew about the Victory Fund money laundering or Hillary outright calling the shots at the DNC, the slashed-to-the-bone debate schedule told anyone with a functioning cortex the scales were being tipped to the candidate with the greatest name recognition.

It's unfortunate that the handling of domestic terrorists has become a partisan issue. The left has bomb throwing SJWs, the right has torch wielding Nazi thugs. In the face of their behavior - where they beat, maim, and kill innocent Americans - we're left paralyzed, unable to respond, unable to even quantify the problem in consistent language.

If you think 50% of the nation is nazi because they voted for Trump, why haven't you started the resistance yet?

This kind of comment is exactly why the left has lost the common ground. By demonizing everyone you don't agree with, you've lost your cause.

There are Nazis and their sympathizers, they make up 0.2% of the population. In the world stage they are irrelevant, they have no relevant political presence, party or organization. Muslims and Christians make up the majority of the world population, if they start spouting off their religious nonsense as fact it's actually dangerous.

48% of registered voters didn't participate in the last election; of the 52% who did, 8% voted third party. The other 44% was fairly evenly divided between D and R; so at best, any one candidate actually only received around 23% of the total overall vote, if we bother to include the disenfranchised.

The big takeaway for me in that case is the knowledge that our President is usually elected by less than a quarter of the overall voting populace.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an in

how Jews and Latinos (and anyone who isn't aryan, basically) are all scum and should be exterminated, then they're very likely neo-nazis

The DNC leadership STRONGLY supports Louis Farrakhan who is an outspoken anti-semite. He got in the news this week giving a speech about how Jews are his enemies along with many other anti-semetic remarks.

By your definition, since the DNC refuses to denounce his comments, the DNC leadership are Neo-Nazis. Which seems appropriate since they are the ones who let Robert Byrd, a KKK leader, be one of the top senators for 6 decades.

I understand you were trying to paint all Republicans/Trump supporters as nazis, but using your own words I can only conclude you believe the DNC leadership are the real Nazis. Are you ready to denounce Pelosi, Shumer, Clintons, and the rest? Or will you stick up for them showing us you also are a Neo-Nazi.

Louis Farrakhan?
Seriously, that is your rebuttal of Trump saying that "being a nazi and fighting against them is the same thing"??
Look, if you live in a desert and believe that cutting off heads is a cool thing to do then to hell with you and your beliefs.. if you believe that some people should have more rights based on your race than to hell with you too.. I put you in the same category. So if you believe that Nazi's and those who fight against them are the same.. screw you.

Trump never said that, stop trying to intentionally mislead people.Although since you seem to be against giving some races more rights and privileges than others, you're for abolishing affirmative action, right?

Yes, seriously. Why is it acceptable for Obama and other Democrats to embrace Farrakhan, when he has called for the deaths of Whites and rails against Jews? http://dailycaller.com/2018/01... [dailycaller.com]

that is your rebuttal of Trump saying that "being a nazi and fighting against them is the same thing"??

OH MY GOD! At least TRY to to play directly into his fucking hand. Listen man, you're not helping our side. You're making us look bad. I understand it's important to you, and yes there are real actual honest-to-god nazis out there and they've been emboldened by recent politics. But immediately jumping out and accusing this guy of being all those terrible things is EXACTLY what he's talking about, and it just reinforces his point. Get your shit together Rick.

Is this staged? Is it rigged? Are Nacho and Rick actually friends and coordinating this level of face-palming?

If you think the half of the country that didn't vote for, and don't support Trump,

Buzzwords, buzzwords, buzzwords. You lable everyone you don't like Nazi, people will stop caring. The word loses meaning.If being for traditional American values and pro constitution makes me a Nazi, fine. Sign me up for the SS, I don't care anymore.

If I had actual numbers then I'd use actual numbers. Neo-nazi/white supremacist/racist/bigot/fascist types tend to not self-identify because they don't want to attract bullets and other things that will perforate them. It was only Trump being elected that brought the out of the shadows, and even then it's hard to count them accurately.

You all seem to be angling for the "lets drive Nazis to take action" camp which sounds exceedingly unwise. YouTube is the greatest honeypot/time sink ever built by mankind, you are all absolutely wasting the potential there by pushing anyone away from it.

No the troll mod is appropriate. How is generalizing millions of people to a caricature and a stereotype in any way not a troll?

Also, wtf do you mean "dealt with"? That alone is retarded trollery. Are you going to have a Final Solution to the "nazi" problem? Seriously, are you one of those morons that think that the only way to have free speech is to restrict free speech for opinions you don't like? You do realize that the point of free speech is to protect the speech that is hated not what is universally accepted? You do realize that in that last half century that allowing nazi's/kkk/racists/whateverlabelyoubemoan to speak has had their numbers decreased? You and people that think like you are fuckin moronic.

I rtfa and there were no numbers, well they mentioned 4, but 4 doesn't seem like enough to make an 'awash'.

All that being said, I prefer to have a forum where its easier to point out the extremists because they are dumb enough to tell everyone just how well dumb they are and everyone can see it and who associates and or agrees with them too. Rather than hiding it in the shadows and pretending its not there, then being all surprised later when get clubbed over the head by some event and start crying.

But whatever, it appears that the blocking is mostly being used to silence anything deemed disagreeable anyways so the secondary effect of blocking some idiots just has to be accepted.

Sadly blocking em just make em move to underground shit where they will rake on all the free victimization that was given.Probably the best way youtube could deal with it is to just recommend the best voted debunk video of that subject it can find.

I agree that the best option would be promoting rebuttals, but as a general point blocking is very effective.

The far right gets very upset when they are kicked off popular services because they know that no one reads gab.ai, no one watches Vimeo. They need to be on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook to get their message out of the bubble.

That's why they have made YouTube a target.

Normal people won't seek this stuff out, the neo Nazis need to get it on to mainstream platforms and near the top of search results

The actual far right as far i can see generally recruits more on places like chans, where they can post their cute infographics and chip people to their side little by little.And every time someone bans em from something, a brand new thing for the infographic to sell ideas like white genocide and the terrible control of the jews.If you want to stop em, you need to show their potential victims that they're full of shit.

You can say the same about the far left. The message is hard to find and get out through any platform.

I have never run across Nazi content on YT, but the occasional Sarkeesian-type or Muslim rant does get promoted in a feed. Reporting them as extremism doesn't seem to work, I just ignore them.

The problem with YT right now is the demonetization of random content. If enough people don't agree with the content the creator doesn't get the money YT collects. It makes YT a pretty penny, but when game reviews and

YouTube makes it easy for anyone to post video about anything and for other people to find that video and watch it. It does a really good job at this.Of course, you are going to have all kinds of people posting all kinds of video. If you don't like it, don't watch it.You don't have to watch Nazi videos.

Totally agree, you can find anything on YouTube. I watch tons of brilliant university science lectures on YouTube, these are mostly public talks or bang up to date colloquia on things like genomics, virology, gravitational waves, astronomy, geology, cosmology, particle physics. I pay nothing to listen to the greatest teachers in the world, it is I would say the most wonderful thing on the Internet.

YouTube for some is the great library of Alexandra delivered to your desktop, you don't have to watch knob head

If they want to be total idiots and go around showing people how stupid they are, great. It's healthy for society to have transparency. As long as they aren't going around mass-murdering people I'm not bothered with it at all. It's good to see things that are extremely stupid because exposure to diversity of opinion (and idiocy) fosters intellectual development and clarity of values. It's bad for society when people go around slaughtering and/or recruiting people to perform slaughters. I am in favor of

Don't buy it. There are practically no neo-Nazis in the world. No number worth speaking about. They're a bunch of clowns. If you listen to the media these days Russia is coming to get us and Neo-nazis are about to take over the world. It's utterly laughable. The neo-nazis weren't doing anything at all until the news networks came along and threw them in front of the tv camera as a prop to attack president that media's butthurt got elected instead of "their" candidate.

I've done the same. It's pretty telling given all the AC comments directed at you too.We're in a pretty sorry state of affairs when commies advocating political violence is fine, but weapon safety videos get removed.

I ran across some music I was looking for behind a "warning, dangerous and offensive" material warning a few weeks ago.
I was looking for a Ukrainian nationalist song - my translation is 'Kalina in the Valley' from one of the historical Ukrainian nationalist groups. Yes, the song was sung by a group that collaborated with the Germans in WW2. And singing or humming it during the Soviet era would get you a one-way ticked to Siberia. Doing so now in Russia would result in the same fate.
There may be a broad

1. I'd rather know what they are saying
2. I'd rather know who they are
3. I'm not cool with demands for censorship

Now, I'm about as liberal as you can get, but censorship, government or otherwise always rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it has to do with the fact that my family has been here since the beginning and has served in every conflict our country has ever had. I believe in free speech, even for the idiots who spout white supremacy/nationalism crap.

“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.”
Salman Rushdie

They may be asshats, delusional, and crazy, but they have a right* to be on Youtube just as much as we do. This is a disturbing trend I've been seeing in my party of late. Just because the other guy is using "free speech" as a defense and talking point doesn't mean he's wrong or that we should start tearing it down. If we seriously only supported Hippy's right to free speech when it was convenient, then we're the exact sort of person the hippies were protesting again. If our views and political ideas and ci

Motherboard has found that while YouTube has managed to clamp down on Islamic extremists uploading propaganda

That's because collective Western elite hivemind realizes that Islam is the only viable alternative ideology to dominating Western anti-ideology of liberalism.

During the height of Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, 40,000 volunteers from 80 countries (BBC reported it, with a map infographics - good luck finding it now) came to Iraq and Syria to fight for ideals of Islam, for the establishiment of Islam

Doesn't matter. You're either for treating groups equally or not.You also don't get to blame people for the actions of their ancestors but then claim that it's silly to take pride in the good things they did.It's all or nothing. No hypocracy.

I find it really concerning when you have a video of white patriots holding guns and making speeches against anyone that is not white. There is an implicit threat of violence and intimidation at that point.

In the US you don't need the government to protect you if you think there is a wave of racism or threat of violence out to get you even with government complicity. Everyone can be or is armed. It's one thing to say "X people are inferior therefore genocide". It is quite another thing to actually try and commit that genocide especially when the people you want to get rid of are armed and can shoot back.

Everyone that is threatened by any racist can defend themselves. Everyone that feel they need to defend the

Truth has been shown to be largely ineffective against deeply held beliefs like racism. It's a strong economy and worker solidarity that chips away at it. Also direct attacks at billionaire propaganda. Let's not forget the true end goal of racism: to make caste systems that divide the working class into easily managed groups who are always at each other's throats.

I can only guess that there are people who see "Nazism" as a growing and serious threat to the political order and that if YouTube Nazis are allowed to be on YouTube, they will achieve recruitment and thus further political success.

I think this is a crazy argument, but it seems to be the basis of wanting to stop Nazis from being on YouTube. Personally I think that most people will see them as people who fetishize swastikas and violence and not find them appealing.

That is it. The whole point of all these russia, hatespeech, nazi and fakenews campaigns is that we should agree that Youtube , twitter and others take full control over content and put in place an array of tools to enforce the rules. Youtube itself doesn't care, it will go along with it. Then later at any time it can be decided again and again what is acceptable content and it will be enforced.There will be possibilities for correction but these will be ineffective statistically unless the interests being

Mao Zedong and Joe Stalin are not, where not and never were Communists. They were fascist dictators who borrowed Marx's populist rhetoric.

This is not to say communism works. It doesn't. You never get past the Dictatorship of the Proletariat because sooner or later some violent psycho like Mao or Stalin seizes power. The problem is the large transfer of ownership.

We solved this problem with Democratic Socialism. Instead of mandating equality you regulate it. You skip the massive transfer of ownership

even though the nazis were amateurs compared to the communists/maxists when comes genocide, repression and subjugation.

Our capitalist benefactors are weathy with the current status quo, and have paid quite a large sum for that line you spout. Communism is their biggest threat after all. They have successfully copied the evil from corrupt dictatorships onto that threat, the prediction of communism from marx.

Communism is shit. It destroys wealth and people. Yes, there are rich capitalists. Yes, there is income inequality. And ordinary people are STILL better off than they ever were under communism. How many more millions do you want to kill before you decide the experiment is a failure?

You still don't understand what communism is. And you likely will never even bother, just parrot what you've heard. Its not the same as failed dictatorships. But of course you'll believe anyone that tells you they're communist or socialist, instantly and without question.

I was away from slashdot for couple months and now a top comment is basically complaining that NAZI videos aren't an issue because there are commie videos, and the commies killed more people back in the day.

I'm not going to debate the difference. I'm just going to stand in awe at the lack of self awareness and eloquence is packed into one statement. I stand in awe that there were 4 other slashdot people with votes who agreed.

"Hitler wasn't that bad people - because Stalin!" What the fuck, we got invaded by

I'm going to stand in awe at your own lack of self-awareness. Motherjones is a lefty rag. GooTube is overtaken by lefty social justice warriors. The attack on neo-Nazis, while ignoring even worse communism, shows what the true agenda is: neo-Nazis first, then the "alt-right", then the "alt-light", etc.

It wasn't even subtle. "A UK anti-refugee protest and speech, which includes a participant holding a flag from National Action, a neo-Nazi group the UK government banned as a terrorist organization last year.

Read the rest of the posts here and carefully, understand them, this isn't about supporting nazis, this is about mislabelling people who disagree with practically anything to virtually any extent as Nazi.Censorship far beyond "just blocking Nazis"

don't trigger the SJWs like the nazi ones do even though the nazis were amateurs compared to the communists/maxists when comes genocide, repression and subjugation

Probably because that's a million megatons of horseshit capitalist propaganda. Communism/marxists freed hundreds of millions from elitist tyranny, colonialism, generation poverty. Oh, and they also defeated the actual Nazis and ended the holocaust.

Neo-Nazis have been around for about 70 years now. Many are retired or dead. 'Neo' means 'new' and they aren't new. Many living ones don't know or care much about the original Nazis, they just wanna hate. They need a new name.

It's not sexy, but I'm happy calling them 'hate groups'. A universal term we can apply to white Americans, Moslems, Hindus and anyone else who prefers that lifestyle. Let's include loyal followers of Kim, Assad and other petty dictators around the world and in Washington DC.

Lots of assholes don't hate- you haven't identified the specific group. And if you give them a 'sexy' name such as nazi, jihadist, IS, genocidists, yadda- you only create a rallying point for them. A boring name like 'hate group' may be less likely to draw more recruits.

I'm from Sweden which have had the most extreme immigration politics and where this together with Germany may be the hardest subject to discuss whatsoever but even here the people have always been more for less immigrants rather than more and with our current immigration politics the EU "worries" that we'll make it permanent.

With you entirely, there's an endless supply of articles and videos out the with clear evidence that letting in millions of unchecked immigrants from horrific counties has resulted in massive crime increase, these people are simply different culturally. Not all of them, most though.

In the old days, with tighter borders, much lower immigration, the "quality" people from these regions who were educated, with good values, would escape the riff Raff and leave to other countries. Now the riff Raff practically h

Although you went over the top, there is no question that Youtube itself has been a little overboard lately, and some of the targets have been dinged unnecessarily. Weird thing is there isn't a rational basis for much of it. David Pakman was demonetized - with almost half a million followers - and it's hard to imagine anyone thinking of h

There's tons of propaganda from all sorts on youtube. The trick is to realize it's propaganda and take it with large chunks of salt. At the very least, think for yourself and ask "Do they make any valid arguments, and if so, what parts are still bullshit?" and compare it with other events and ideas you have read/seen/experienced.

Censorship just lends legitimacy to it in the eyes of uninformed viewers. There's also simple Streisand effect. People want to see what they're not allowed to. This is especially p

The content of Youtube and its regulation/filtering/censorship, like most of US mainstream media, reflects mainstream US culture. To outside observers, the USA has a very wide gap between espoused values (free speech, equality, etc.) and practised values (political prisoners, overt systemic racism, etc.). The sooner mainstream US culture comes out of denial and faces its problems, the better: It has the potential to be a great democracy and shining beacon of humane values and civil society to the rest of th

In the meantime, it makes sense to expose people to a range of political thought. If they drift toward the extremes, it means that the middle is failing, not that the extremes are somehow inherently "seductive" or "infectious."

Neo-Nazism, after all, is in the middle of the political spectrum, just turned up to 11.

On the Left you have egalitarians who believe that society "progresses" from a natural state to a Utopia based on equality; on the Right you have people

Threatening speech isn't protected speech. I think there are reasonable people that would feel threatened by Nazi or KKK propaganda, especially since the Nazis and KKK have a well-documented history of killing people like them!

"protected speech" Don't play word games. The specific term "freedom of speech" goes back at least to 1689 and the idea goes all the way back to 600 BC in old Athens. If you feel the need to invent new terms to try and replace what everyone is already using and understands, you're likely full of shit.

Calls to specific violence is a conspiracy to murder and that's illegal. "Let's go give a wet willie to Locke2005 (849178) next monday after work". That's trying to form a mob for an act of violence (of the most heinous of sorts). Generally advocating violence, like suggesting we tar and feather anyone who doesn't comment their code, that's not illegal. And yeah, these asshats really walk that line don't they? And it sucks that this shit gets down to technicalities. But it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep people from FEELING threatened. Hell, your post makes me feel threatened that my personal rights are going to get taken away and that my political party no longer supports the ideas born out of the age of enlightenment. That winds have changed and times are dark. It sucks. But I'm not advocating we ban you from Slashdot.

Motherboard not familiar with the concept of a "honeypot"? The best thing to do is leave these pages up, then pass the IP address of anybody watching them to the NSA, because watching them is adequate justification for a wiretap warrant.

So having an unpopular opinion makes you a 'fair target' for government scrutiny?

Firebombing Tokyo [wikipedia.org] was much worse. Without the nuclear bombs dropped a few months later, there may have been many more such firebombings to bring the Japanese to the table to surrender. Of course, there was that little 40 day period called the Rape of Nanking [wikipedia.org] where the Japanese killed over 250,000 people. Talking to my wife's grandmother - who lived through it as an 18 year old girl who was thankfully taken in by a Jewish family (otherwise she was certain to be raped and killed like her best friend), it was horrific. But never mind, USA bad because nuclear weapons.