This is a discussion on Bad beat with AA's within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I had AA then I raised about 3 times the pot and I got 2 callers. The flop comes 2,4,5. The guy to my left

I had AA then I raised about 3 times the pot and I got 2 callers. The flop comes 2,4,5. The guy to my left raises about 2 times the pot. I think about it and then I go all in. The other guy folds and the guy to my left quickly calls. And he flops over 3 6 offsuit straight. I didn't catch any thing and lost.

#2

13th April 2005, 8:45 PM

Paynetothemax [16]

Poker at: Full Tilt

From experience, Like I always say. Never get excited until the cards are flippe, because it can get very disturbing,

#3

13th April 2005, 9:01 PM

Martinez760 [38]

Online Poker at: JetSet

That sux man sorry to hear it hopefully it wasn't for real money...(or alot if it is). Ill take my chances with AA. I get so excited when i get it so i kinda play recklessly wiht em. Just be careful with em

#4

12th May 2005, 6:31 PM

mdk2all [16]

I've had worse. I raised aces in fixed limit, got called by sixes, bet the flop which was k 10 rag, turn was a jack, I bet, he called again, and rivered the third six. Now, anybody in their right mind would have folded by the turn with sixes, and a board of king jack and ten, but this guy just kept fishing. It sucks. Still gotta play the aces strong though, 'cause slow-playing them only causes even more trouble.

I'm sure there'll be plenty who disagree with me, but I've really got to question the all-in with a hard wheel draw out on the board. Might have been better to call there instead, to feel things out on the turn. The biggest criticism I have is only raising 3 times the pot pre-flop with AA. Unless the blinds were huge, that's not a big enough bet to chase the 36 offsuit (obviously).

I've stopped messing around with AA. I've tried a lot of different approaches...limping in, making a modest bet, making a big bet. After watching them crash and burn so many times, I now believe the best approach is the simplest. AA is THE best hand after the deal, period, and I bet them accordingly. Maybe not all-in, but a very substantial portion of my chips. If I chase the table and only drag the blinds, so be it. If I get action, and my opponent can take them down, more power to him. But I'll never slow play them again. I've been in your seat too many times for the straight/flush/set beat.

#6

12th May 2005, 10:27 PM

2AcesUnder [15]

AA's bad beat

I once lost AA to Quad Kings after flopping a full house, Flop came down, AKK, and of course he turns of Kings, it was probably the worst beat i'd ever seen, i just sat there, mouth wide open, i didn't play again for a few days, it was the worst

#7

14th May 2005, 3:37 AM

ogordy3 [16]

Online Poker at: Poker Stars

Aces are overrated lol. Seems like you always get screwed with them damn THIGNS. I like going all in before the flop with them. That is your best bet with those things.

#8

14th May 2005, 3:14 PM

jmayo16 [6]

Poker at: poker stars

I've hit rockets when i was short-stacked and i guy put me all-in with kings. the flop was 6,A,K and the turn was a 8 but the river was a K. he hit four of a kind and i missed making the final table in a 4000ppl tournye by 2 spots

#9

14th May 2005, 3:56 PM

respira [92]

Online Poker at: pacificpoker

Bottom line..you have to know when to foldem..that guy told you on the flop that he had a straight...next time be a believer and fold

#10

14th May 2005, 5:52 PM

jubert69 [7]

Poker at: Pokerstars

re: Poker & Bad beat with AA's

I think you did the right thing, try to steal the pot instead of slowplaying it. Just bad luck going against someone who is a beginner and doesnt know what to do.

#11

14th May 2005, 6:26 PM

Wlokos [141]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

You shouldn't have gone all in, IMO.

#12

14th May 2005, 7:23 PM

realbigtall [16]

i had two red aces in one of the earlier hands in a tourney i was playin. i just finished watching rounders, so i thought i would do a lil teddy KGB on his ass. i checked in the bb when only the sb limped and every1 else folded. flop came A K 3 rainbow. It went check check. turn came a king. he bet, i raised 4 times his raise, adn he called. River came a 3. He checked, i went all in, he called, and flipped pocket 3s.

#13

14th May 2005, 7:52 PM

CAJUN43 [13]

Online Poker at: Absolute Pok

AA's and slow play

pocket A's are not a guarantee for a winning hand. 30+% is the approximate chance of winning the hand vs. 9 other players. in tournament play it has been my 1,600,000 + hands of play experience that dictates a slow play pre-flop. the only exception would be to call an all-in bet. post-flop, you must make players pay to beat you...so absent 3 suited flop cards, or an exposed pair...bet heavily. in a ring game, know your competitors playing style, and, when it is to your advantage vs their playing stlye bet the Aces aggressively.

#14

14th May 2005, 9:50 PM

federalu [24]

Poker at: pokerstars.c

a had 2 aa and almoust every time i win sometimes a staight change my plans but itts very good to take money easy not to scare the others players

#15

14th May 2005, 10:02 PM

Arsenic [5]

Online Poker at: PokerStars

re: Poker & Bad beat with AA's

I beat pocket aces pretty bad this one time,
Well i had Q 10 of clubs, he had pocket aces,
he raised 10 and i called(blinds were 5 sb,10 bb)the flop came K C, 2 S, 4 D,
he bet 20 (this was a player who bluffs alot but i know its a bad call tho) the turn came 7 C, he went all in ( We were about even in chips and were playing for a long time) I made another terrible call not expecting to see pocket aces but knowing if that club comes its mine, and lucky me the 5 C came on the river.
It was a three way 20 dollars game so i just won 40 but yeah I know they were terrible calls and it was a bad beat.

#16

14th May 2005, 11:53 PM

juniorjohn [29]

Poker at: absolute

yes i would bet money that if you play poker long enought you 2 will be bet with poket rockets more then qnce.someone that i know and was playing in a trourny got aa's 6 times and was bet 2 outa 6 now that really shows uyou that its just the best starting hand nothing else.

I was recently busted out from a 64 players freeroll holding AA. An early position player raised two times the BB. We were like 5 active players (the other 4 away players were all to my left) and the other 3 to my right folded. I raised him twice. He called. The flop was 10 2 3, two spades. He bet the pot size, i raised him twice (knowing that he would send me all in) and he went all in. I called. He showed QQ. A 10 came on the turn and a Q on the river. I was out.
I think i made the correct play, it was just bad luck, so i couldnīt do anything else. Just relax and wait for the next tourney.
I have lost holding AA more than 10 times (only 1 time on real life. You can see that story on my thread "Even Jesus goes on tilt" [on the second page, just 1 reply ]), so now i just consider it as any other bad beat (specially going all in preflop. But sometimes is not a bad beat when you see the flop or the turn, and when the circumstances are telling you that your AA arenīt good enough but donīt lay down just because they are "pocket rockets".)

#19

16th May 2005, 4:16 AM

kcns05 [16]

Online Poker at: Ultimate Bet

First of all I hate playing with people who call a substantial raise when they only hold 36 offsuit. I agree with your pre-flop raise, maybe a bit bigger next time, but I would never go all in after that flop.

When you reraise, or raise big, it gives away a lot of information about your hand, that you might as well play your Aces faced up on the table. But consider that if the opponent hit their hand, be it 36, 45, 23, or a low pair transformed into a straight or set, can you let go of the hand? For the 99% of us, probably not, especially if the board is not threatening. (By the way, I wonder if anyone has ever folded KK preflop)

Yet bigger raises or moving All In, isn't the best way to play them. I believe AA deserves more than the blinds. However, AA is such a vulnerable hand after the flop, losing to 2 pairs and higher. So you shouldn't bet your entire stack, just to pay off your lucky opponents.

I urge you to look up Youtube.com for the Sammy Farha vs some amauter game. Amauter raises to 1k (overbet) with AA when blinds are at 50/100. Sammy Farha calls with 33. Flop comes with a 3, giving Sammy a set. Sammy checks, amauter bets 6k. Sammy moves all in. Amauter calls remaining 4k. Turn and River misses, Sammy collects pot.

Verdict.
Sammy knew that the amauter's hand was very big, by the overbet. He was also smart enough to realise, that the amauter would not be able to lay down the hand easily. He knew that if he hit the flop, making a set, we would be able to extract his opponents entire stack (High Implied Odds). Since his chance of hitting one of two outs (two remaining 3's) on the flop = 12%, he would make a profit by calling the 1k to win 10k, a 10% call.

As put by sammy, and the nature of Poker itself. You have to gamble to win.

#21

27th November 2006, 11:32 PM

Allsopp [113]

Online Poker at: Titan/Prima

Game: NL Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacrosse09

I had AA then I raised about 3 times the pot and I got 2 callers. The flop comes 2,4,5. The guy to my left raises about 2 times the pot. I think about it and then I go all in. The other guy folds and the guy to my left quickly calls. And he flops over 3 6 offsuit straight. I didn't catch any thing and lost.

People like you are funny. Believe it or not but this isn't a badbeat - You just got outplayed.

You went all in with a pair of aces for christs sake. He could of had 3 of a kind, a straight or two pair. All of which have you beat. So why make an overbet and move all in when you can only win if he folds. He isn't going to call your bet with top pair all you could be beating is 66, 77, 88, 99, 10 10, JJ, QQ, KK but if he had any of those hands he probably would of played them scared on a board like that [like you should of done].

People like you are funny. Believe it or not but this isn't a badbeat - You just got outplayed.

Just to be clear on this, though (old thread or not)...the only reason that it is not a bad beat is because the money didn't go in until the flop. Once the flop came out, the 63o was the best hand with a made straight. After the straight was made, all the money went in. If all the money went in pre-flop, then the AA losing would have been a bad beat.