Hungary Becomes First European Nation To Ban Rothschild Banks

The name Rothschild is literally associated with wealth. This is because for over 200 years, the family has remained the most powerful and wealthy family in the world. Most of the Rothschild fortune has been made in the world of banking, but investments in other industries, such as coal, estates, and construction, have helped secure the family’s wealth and immense power.

One of the banks owned by the Rothschild group (the biggest banking group in the world) is the International Monetary Fund (IMF), AKA ’Imposing Misery and Famine’. Not only does the group make money off usurious interest rates at the misfortune of crumbling economies, it literally owns governments and people of power. Because it’s nearly impossible to escape the clutches of the banking group, news of IMF being booted from Hungary is being heralded as a victorious happening.

TapNewsWire reports that in 2008, Hungary survived economic turmoil by relying on a €20 billion ($26 billion) loan from IMF and aid from the EU. This was before Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán was elected into office.

In 2013, however, the former economy minister and current central bank governor, Gyorgy Matolcsy, wrote a letter to IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde calling for the fund to close its representative office in Budapest. Matolcsy noted that it was “not necessary to maintain” it any longer. In addition, he said in July of 2016 that Hungary would repay the 2008 loan in full by the end of the year.

Prime Minister Orbán hasn’t had a good relationship with IMF since taking office, and this latest move has taken it to a new low. However, many are hailing Hungary’s decision to boot the IMF from the country as an intelligent decision.

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Paying the loan back early has meant Hungary have saved €11.7 million worth of interest expenses, but Gordan Bajnai, leader of the electoral alliance E14-PM, claimed that they had actually lost €44.86 million by March 2014 because of the early repayment as all they did was replace the loan from the [IMF] with a more expensive one, labelling the stunt as Propaganda.

And what made further nonsense; another loan at high interest rates was signed to finance a nuclear upgrade, which will mean not only higher repayments but also high electricity costs. But they do have economic sovereignty now.

The central bank governor says that the government succeeded in pushing its budget deficit below the EU ceiling of 3% in GDP and reduced government debt. Though the EU Commission expected it to return to weak growth shortly after the decision, the unorthodox system of imposing heavy special taxes on large companies seems to be working for the country.

YourNewsWire relays that Iceland joined Hungary in 2014 when it paid back its $400 million loan ahead of schedule after the collapse of the banking sector in 2008. In addition, Russia has refused to bow down to any Western puppeteer and gained financial independence in 2005. Reportedly, this is the FIRST time a European country has stood up to the international fund, since Germany did so in the 1930s.

A true rebuff of the global elite would be closer to the Polish govt that not only rejected bankster meddling but also rejected a vaccine agenda. The result was the downing of the a plane carrying virtually the entire Polish executive cabinet.

Unfortunately for the Polish people, you’re exactly right. Looks like the only “hold out” may be N. Korea, kept on a long string to be the wild card boogeyman. I would bet $$ the banksters have some tentacles around N. Korea, always doing the Antony Sutton revealed moves behind the curtain.

You are remarkable HanzP! I never got around to attempting to digest the entire webbrain map / database – thanks for the nudge! (I was thinking a small addition to the neat pyramid graphic.) Please reconsider and come back to A.P., we sorely need more bright enlightened souls such as yourself. It used to be a diverse hub of great minds sharing and learning. Sadly, the pool of decent alt websites is shrinking. Hope to see you around. Kind Regards, blue579

Well thanks blue579, but I am only ‘remarkable’ in the sense I have learned not rely on my own subjective and erroneous thinking and — especially as it relates to by training in economics (something I had all wrong for a long while). Yep, uncle Milton used to be my hero…and that was after I got out of the shadows of Rand (victim of Atlas shrugged at age 15), Austrians (Hayek, Mises et al as a freshman in college). Thankfully, my reading of American literature beginning with Twain, moving on the the “Lost Generation” and finally into what I call the “Brotherhood of the Grape” writers made me detest the ugliness of the rhetoric — and in no small help the crazed Randian and Austrian Libertarians followers who I found revolting in college. Moving on to…

The kind gentle, free market/ personal libertarianism (small l) of Uncle Milt happened to stay with me through grad school under the auspices of…

Milton Friedman considered Mises inflexible in his thinking:

“The story I remember best happened at the initial Mont Pelerin meeting when he got up and said, “You’re all a bunch of socialists.” We were discussing the distribution of income, and whether you should have progressive income taxes. Some of the people there were expressing the view that there could be a justification for it.

Another occasion which is equally telling: Fritz Machlup was a student of Mises’s, one of his most faithful disciples. At one of the Mont Pelerin meetings, Machlup gave a talk in which I think he questioned the idea of a gold standard; he came out in favor of floating exchange rates. Mises was so mad he wouldn’t speak to Machlup for three years. Some people had to come around and bring them together again. It’s hard to understand; you can get some understanding of it by taking into account how people like Mises were persecuted in their lives.”

Of course my first consulting job proved all ethical standards in modern economics were merely an academic ruse and the job was, well, to get the numbers for the client. You know, use all your expertise in proper methodology to cloak the predetermined outcomes…hidden with solid improper methodology.

Of course, it took a greal deal longer before I examined the Mont Pelerin Society and the Rockefeller roots of the Chicago School. Particularly as betrayed it real classical Chicago economists (like Veblen) with false empiricism and scientism of the neoclassical school — the Chicago Boys that came to fruition in the 70’s and 80’s…

Therein lie my pickle with both AP and…you. 😉 First, having finally grasped my own profound ignorance and proclivity for deeply flawed subjective epistemological constructs — I try broaden the context with the wisdom of better minds than mine. This requires links and direction to source material or summaries from much higher quality research — generally. As you know, you have to get the conversation while it’s hot, and moderation prevents almost all interchange of this kind of material.

Second pickle, I have a difficult building trust with people who do not open their comments — and when I do (as in your case) there is no way to really build real dialectical interchange over time. I certainly understand why people like keep their comments private — but I sincerely believe that the costs to open and verifiable free speech (properly real dialogue) far outweigh both the privacy concerns. Further and IMHO, I do not believe it is good practice to block anyone except stalkers and spam posters.

There are, of course, remedies to both of these ‘pickles’ if there is agreement on the importance of underlying principles –principles I have learned through experience compromise genuine truth seeking for me personally.

Hahaha, well I hope that made some sense…I kinda wrote that while going through the process of thinking it out. 😉

Yeah, I get it. As a neuroscientist with a long time interest and minor in philosophy I rarely trust my own thoughts much less those of others! The process of spending a lot of time in deep rabbit holes after 9/11 further convinced me the world is a compilation of artificial constructs. Libertarian thinking is one such construct, yet it has some useful features in terms of underscoring the non aggression principle and encouraging people to interact as freely as their social set up can handle – there are some math and science thoughts on the bountiful permutations and diversity fostered by a large “n” degrees of freedom. 😉

I also appreciate your style of learning and growth. For the longest time, I was always hungry for more connections, more material to synthesize, new perspectives…and then I noticed I was cycling, picking up the same patterns, same paradigms with slight twists. The best part was finally visualizing how these patterns interact on various levels, forming n-dimensional matrices. Now I spend my time trying to distill this for others – almost impossible in an era where the sound bite wins the day! LOL

The guys on Gnostic Media also drive me nuts most of the time too. There’s an annealing process that takes place when a lot of information can flow freely, eventually we learn to pick out the parts that resonate most effectively. It’s exactly why nature is incredibly efficient at near perfect design of form and function. If TPTB would get out of the way a gorgeous human consciousness shift would be unstoppable.

I’m crashing now…time to get my beauty sleep. I also hope my reply makes sense since I don’t have the alertness to to proof it. Thanks for the exchange and another rare confirmation that intelligent awake life has survived the confines of the Matrix. Kind Regards!

Hey, thanks for the great introspective reply. Given the lot of commonalities in our thought processes and my humble attempts to self-learn (with guidance) you may find my go to site on the subject useful. hermes-press dot com is my most trusted site (and Norm Livergood — background at /ndl1.htm) on these topics — give it a good perusal and let me know you thoughts, if it strikes your fancy of course. Note, a lot of the higher material is intentionally hidden for seekers…

Also, after you get your beauty rest, I would be grateful to hear what you think of the second pickle…because I do genuinely value your opinion (and reasoned thought process).

I will definitely check out Norm Livergood’s site in the next few days and get back to you. Thanks for heads up and the two leads to get started.

As for the second pickle, my profile setup is not guided by trepidation of any kind, it’s a combination of personal philosophy and strategy for my particular niche. I want my informed views to be evaluated based on alignment, not attached to me or a rigid frame. There’s more to this rationale I can explain later. I’m open to change…not sure though the Disqus comment format is the way to go as I’m using it now almost exclusively as a synaptic portal. Touch base with you later – Blue

“…not sure though the Disqus comment format is the way to go as I’m using it now almost exclusively as a synaptic portal.”
— Yep, now that disqus has achieved near monopoly status and now that we are into the monetization phase (value extraction) — the metadata Skinner Box will be fully implemented. Of course, you know more about the Matrix psych controls than I ever will.

Blue, this is on the down low, so please keep confidential and don’t share link. Something I am preparing for now. Just upvote when you receive this message, so I can delete. Thanks!
norman_frame2_new_community.htm

Hello HanzP, getting back to you after reading the two articles and others. Overall, very good summaries of what we in the awake communities have learned. I was concerned, though, that Livergood obsesses on the neoliberal intelligenstia mantra against capitalism not making distinctions between crony capitalism (not really capitalism at this point being centrally controlled) and decentralized free market systems. More importantly, I noticed that Livergood doesn’t dive into the rise of Orwellian Technocracy, Brzezinski’s Technotronic Era, or the older term “scientific society” popularized by elites such as Betrand Russell…known, of course, for many things including his interest and historical writings in Philosophy. Seems Livergood’s lens reflects the 50s era left academic mindset. As such, overlooking the system of total control quickly coming into view, I am certain his proposal of communes is not viable, and surely even if one could survive a short time could not become a catalyst to change the NWO global panopticon of 24/7 control. I see Livergood as adding to the archive of understanding of how we arrived at this nightmare, going further back in history are sites such as Yamaguchy. We need to constantly update our strategies, IMO. Thank you for the introduction to Livergood. There’s so much more to the awakening than understanding the perpetrators and their old crimes and paradigms. We have to know ourselves as a species.

I wonder why Viktor Orbán is still alive. Normally those people get killed by Rothschild mercenaries. Is he playing a false game? Is Hungry building the Cordon Sanitaire together with other eastern states?

Essentially a very brave man with lotsa family around him & very attentive personal body guards I hope… considering he now has the life expectancy of a fruit fly…but if EVERYBODY stands with him the ‘gangsta- bankstas’ wouldn’t dare…Same as right here!… in north America…which reminds me of the Tiny Dot cartoon of Larken Rose.

From Orbán’s wiki bio: “In 1989, Orbán received a scholarship from the SOROS Foundation to study political science at Pembroke College, Oxford. His personal tutor was HEGELIAN political philosopher Zbigniew Pelczynski. In January 1990, he left OXFORD and returned to Hungary to run for a seat…”

The Wiki entry quotes Orbán saying model (idealized) states are China, Turkey, Russia, and Singapore. The first and last stylized as authoritarian technocracies, Russian hard nosed authoritarian, and Turkey clamping down on free speech.

thanks! I’m listening to it now – 15 min in and I’ve heard subtle rationalizations on the Kabuki theater involving Iran, Russia, and Ukraine. VT has done some good work (e.g.Libertarian writer Lila Rajiva’s exposure of Assange was bold and brilliant, I put her research to good use). Unfortunately, VT also laces in tons of [cointelpro] disinfo, which Gordon Duff admitted to an a recorded interview. There are some bizarre creatures on VT’s editorial board including a Russian general who oversaw a psychological warfare group, others tied to the military industrial complex, and outright whackos. I monitored VT closely for a few years, lots and lots of chaff in there and misdirection. The best deconstruction of VT I’ve see is here: http://redefininggod (dot) com/category/veterans-today/ scroll down for VT analysis BTW, Duff and some others are proponents of world socialism. Fetzer and Barrett are brilliant, of course, yet something is way off – just a word to wise. I’ll definitely finish listening with an open mind. Thanks again.

Yes ..I wonder what he feeds it? (hair piece-lol)…I’ve been following these guys, as well as everybody else for the last decade…as one has to be ‘vigilant’ & discriminating …yet I regard Preston at least as having some ‘cojones’ to at least bring it all out in the open as to his suppositions as to ‘who’s who in the zoo’…as I remain eclectic …taking little bits of data here & there putting the BIG Pic puzzle pieces together for my own gestalt.

Yeah, was that back center cone a gerbil underneath or what? LOL At times, I have to admit, I couldn’t take my eyes off of it and not because it was sexy. LOL 😉 Maybe it’s a girl thing, but I was transfixed. Ha!

So serendipitous & pleasant to find out you are woman!…I LUV Smart women!..I have a ‘Thing’ for women with ‘brains’ (lol)… as I’m NOT intimidated like most of the barely conscious & sweaty knuckle-dragger’s out there (lol)

Jeez, I dunno, I watched half of this interview and Preston seems a little bit unstable and not particularly trustworthy — but I don’t know the guy either beyond this interview. One other thing, I don’t underestimate things like hairpieces because they suggest deception and ego concerns (and weakness) which always conflict with truth — just saying. James Fetzer is almost always interesting to listen to, but he’s definitely has said things that give pause generally — and particularly around Trump over the last year.

Just a suggestion & I agree with your sumation of interceding ego concerns…. but I like the objective feedback …nothing he says is chiseled in stone & he has to make his own deals with the demons & devils in order to put forth his own posits & epiphanies …altho I’m running on gut instincts.
….. remembering again….that I’m solely eclectic in my perusal & dot-connection for my own BIG Pic discernment & for my own subjective gestalt as to what is goin on all around me…I’ll take good data from wherever it comes from…cheers

see my reply to blue579 below, as to why I don’t mind Preston James & don’t see him as a bad guy with a dark & slippery ‘personal’ agenda behind his own peculiar ‘apocalypsing’ at all…but that’s just my opinion…subject to change… as another alternative icon just bit the dust with Max Igan accusing Ken O’Keefe of having been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar…(go to Ritchie Allen’s latest lineup on YouTube)

Well, I tend to keep a distance from assessing research value based on personalities and focus on each presentation. Even people that I generally trust, like James Corbett (whom we have discussed), I have serious reservations on certain topics. Specifically, with James his discussions on anarchy are patently absurd and worse, highly suspect given his association with the badly tainted David Friedman who is a poster boy for COINTELPRO in my thinking…so no worries. If I had to choose one person I trust on most topics it would be Dr. Norm Livergood at hermes-press — other than that, we start getting into people like Plato 😉

Damn, hardcore about censorship here. BLN has been annoying me a lot lately — so I thought I would check things out, but it’s annoying too.

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Well, I tend to keep a distance from assessing research value based on personalities and focus on each presentation. Even people that I generally trust, like James Corbett (whom we have discussed), I have serious reservations on certain topics. Specifically, with James his discussions on anarchy are patently absurd and worse, highly suspect given his association with the badly tainted David Friedman who is a poster boy for COINTELPRO in my thinking…so no worries. That said, one of James’ greatest qualities is his philosophical disposition of humbleness that is a critical characteristic of any genuine truth teller. If I had to choose one person I trust on most topics it would be Dr. Norm Livergood at hermes-press. Other than that, we start getting into people like Plato — who also happens to dismiss trust in personalities entirely.** No doubt why I trust him. 😉
Will check out “Max Igan accusing Ken O’Keefe of having been caught with his fingers in the cookie jar…” — as that’s always interesting stuff and a good lesson for practicing healthy skepticism.
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** Plato’s Theory of Forms
…IV. Plato’s Argument that Only Objective Value is Real:
A. The argument from objectivity:
Plato’s argument with respect to value has the same form as his argument for the reality of the forms:
1. We already believe that the more objective a value is, the more real it is. This is shown by the way we distinguish real values from apparent ones.
2. Only detachment from all particular desires for objects and persons can be completely objective.
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Therefore, only detachment from all particular objects and persons has real value.
Plato’s argument for premise 1: We all realize that something that only makes us feel good for a moment, but which leads to pain in the future isn’t a real value. We determine what things are most valuable by seeing what values last the longest or are valued from the most points of view.
Plato’s argument for premise 2: As long as we are attached to particular things and people we will always be open to pain; there will always be some point of view from which the value will disappear.
B. The Argument from Analogy to Itches and Hunger:
1. All subjective values are like itches and hunger.
2. The pleasure we get from scratching an itch or from eating arises from a defect or deficiency in us. Once we fill the defect we will feel good, but the defect will inevitably arise again and give rise to dissatisfaction. We will itch again; we will be hungry again. We would rather never itch or never be hungry, than always be scratching and eating.
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Therefore, all subjective values are defective in this way. We ought to eliminate all desires rather than trying to satisfy them.

Brilliant discernment & perspicacity… I have to admit I am one of Plato’s biggest fans & also feel a kinship with Socrates choosing to live on the street (lol) & Aristotle contention that ‘common sense’ is is where ‘consciousness’ originates…(as there’s no ‘sense’ or ‘conscience’ without morality empathy love etc.)…Plato & the boys would have been great company not unlike You & blue579 or U580 (lol)
…I always tune into what (fellow Canadian) James Corbett has to say because there is NO ego there ever…replete with a formidable intellect…rather a stellar human being (imho) …will do a dig on Davis Friedman of whom I know nothing…& Dr Norm Livergood/hermes press
….Thx for taking the time to outline Plato’s posits as I find them refreshing & grounding …& as far as detachment from desires goes…AA or cocaine/heroin addiction facilities et al would do well to read this philosophy out to the disenfranchised, to help them kick their addictions …because I’m a ‘survivor’ & can relate to cutting the umbilical cord of ‘attachment’ having a down-side ie: euphoria vacillating to despair etc “All for the Want” (lol)
…’To be in this world …& not of it’ is something to ruminate upon with regards to Plato’s maxims, as a spiritual foundation that connects to the eternal aspect of our souls…all of us being infinite awareness having a very temporary Earth experience with addictions to the material world as an ephemeral waste of time…cheers

Watched it, good recap of what we already know with a dash of far out speculation. Note: P.J. is using language from The D. Bell notable for spinning the we are winning meme, Gutenberg press, etc., perhaps he doesn’t realize TDB is head to toe cointelpro. The % of co-opted sites is much higher than PJ estimates. Regarding Fetzer, I recall now he hit the ejector seat on VT last year. I haven’t closely followed VT for a couple of years. Thanks again, eddysachs, I appreciate wide lenses into the big infowar battles and layers of compartmentalization.

Sure. TDB is shorthand for The Daily Bell, stylized as a Libertarian website heavy on conspiracy and doing their special flavor of disinfo: “Hey, sit back, relax, and don’t worry, don’t lift a finger because the global elite are losing thanks to the internet revolution, the new Gutenberg press.” The Gutenberg analogy was their mantra. Apologies for the cryptic wording, in the past some of my Disqus comments on AP describing gatekeepers were quickly removed (by the Ministry of Truth?), hence the abbreviation.

The sooner all zentral banks are banned the sooner a thousand years of peace and properity will start.
The house that evil built. These unholy ‘banksters’ should all take off for another planet and leave the earth to heal.

Hopefully there will be an ‘anomaly’ on lift- off as the bloodline satanic ‘rat bags’ try to escape from their own ponerological consequences…. just like that recent Israeli satellite rocket… that ‘failed’ to make it’s rendezvous hahaha!

Unfortunately, NA*O and the E*/Wezz are all now controlled by these Rothschil*d/Rockefel*er ZioNazi CANNIBALS! That’s why they love endless wars – where chaos reigns and endless vulnerable child victims are ever available!

See how the ZioNazis control the Wezz! At – How Mossad Controls Our Political Parties, by Christopher Bollyn, 25 October 2008 – thus it means Central ISra*l Agency. And at – Likud Becomes a Regional Member of the European Parliament, By Maidhc Ó Cathail | CounterPunch | April 27, 2016.

And see the organ traffickers, who are behind Catholic Genocide in Mexico; at – Zeta gang connected to U.S. Special Forces/Mossad, By Wayne Madsen, March 10, 2011!

The ZioNazi’s Satanic NWO, where Evil supposedly equals to Good and Lucifer (Satan/Iblis) supposedly equals to God – thus is why Catholicism and Islam are these Luciferians’ greatest enemies! Because any religion or any moral values, especially if anti-abortion/homosexuality/free sex-pornography/bestiality/cannibalism/maximum greed etc. are simply not acceptable to these Satanists!

The IMF is a tool of the ruling class. Only Rothschilds are in the ruling class. Hank Paulson who oversaw the collapse of the banks and the bailout as Secy of the Treasury has been exposed as a secret Rothschild by Stormfront.com Reliable sources reveal that he only pretends to be a Christian Scientist but actually was adopted by the Rothschilds. The IMF funding is from 189 member states, with the Us providing about 19%.

All these nations are controlled by the Rothschilds, who have paid me to write this post. The headline of this article cries out: anti-Semites of the world, here is more junkfood to fatten your bigotry.

The largest banks in the world are the Chinese banks……with the largest run by Jin Pang Rothschild, an out of wedlock child of a Chinese baker and a vacationing Rothschild I found this info at Whitepower.com.

Another source informs me that all human beings are now Rothschilds, as Rothschild DNA is inserting into each new birth. Beforeitsnews reports that the Rothschlids were brought here by aliens in order to take over the world for the aliens, who need Lebensraum, since the “Goy” on their home planet had pushed them out. Rothschild means red sign (ie red flag0 and thus is a Communist conspiracy to confiscate your guns and your bank account.

Said by the Harvard educated political scientist who mocks critics of ongoing geoengineering programs, believes in mandatory vaccinations, never mentions technocracy despite the fact Eisenhower warned the public about the rise of a technocratic elite in the same speech he warned us about the MIC, apparently missed the lesson of Prof Quigley’s Tragedy & Hope and Antony Sutton’s heroic research exposing the grand scale of the Dialectic (Oh, that’s right, you once said there was no dialectic in play – LOL!). No, we’re the ones who are delusions kooks – sure thing. 😉

blue is ujsing personal attacks because he has no evidence to refute the facts I present, so he indulges in the moral dishonor and logical fallacy of the ad hominem.. He acts as tho having a world class education is a flaw, and mistates my positions. He is hung up on the Hegalian dialectic, and it spares him, perhaps, from dealing with facts.

I oppose technocracy and support waivers for children where there is a good reason for not being vaccinated; I have written many articles on technocracy, and have always supported democracy. I note that Quigley also attended Harvard. I recall a previous encounter with you………..I am interested only in intelligent,creative people to exchange ideas. That excludes you. You are basically just trolling, trying to refute my claims with personal attacks. Please don’t waste my time….

No evidence to be found regarding geoengineering, Quigley, and Sutton? You mock those who criticize the top tier banksters but questioning your logic is out of the question? Questioning positions on issues is not an ad hominem. I know of Quigley’s ties to the Establishment, his approval of the system TPTB have been creating, and the fact that he was Bill Clinton’s mentor. His only disagreement with the plan seemed to be it was clandestine.

I do not go to atmospheric scientists to learn about history, nor do I go to historians to learn about atmospheric science. Quigley has no qualifications as a scientist.
Nor does Sutton, another historian.

I get my science from actual scientists who do research in the field.

Calling my refutation of geoengineering theories mockery is a misreprentation of my views. I point out that atmospheric science sees “chemtrails” as myth. Nor do I mock those who buy into the propaganda, but urge them to do their own research by studying a little atmospheric science and then observing in their own area: observe the altitude (the white frozen vapors are always in the stratosphere where cirrus clouds form and get a flight plan of commercial flights in your area and see if it matches observed trails.

This is not mockery, and so you are using loaded and false terms to describe my effort to get people to do their research. So far, the only responses have been: I don’t have to. Chemtrails are real.

This kind of closed mind then often turns on me and calls me a paid shill (I would gladly take money for spreading science) or accuses me of disrespect. Those who disrespect you are those who lie to you, historians who pretend they know more than scientists, websites by total amateurs who feel entitled to say that all the scientist are wrong. I do not mock but feel sadness for such people, and that is why, out of respect, I urge them to do their own research…..but no one has taken me up on this.

I have: I watch the sky every day for the past 10 years. I have never (nor have you) seen trails below the cirrus cloud level, where they cannot be targeted and slightly warm the atmosphere, just as terrestrial pollution does. When I got my flight map, I saw the routes out of SF and San Jose, which fly right over my mountain home. In 100% of the cases, the flight patterrns, without exception, match the flight paths. So ujnless all the millions of commercial flights are spraying toxins, the trails observed are clearly explained.

Do you think all commerical flights are spraying toxins?
Why don’t you do your own research, as I have, and come to your own conclusions instead of repeating claims by non-scientists?

I would take all the top banksters and lock them up. You are really confused. My logic is not the issue: the issue is, whom should a non-expert take seriously: a trained scientist with research in the field or a bunch of historians and amateur websites?

MY logic is to go to the experts who send their entires lives studying the atmosphere instead of those who are not qualified to reject their findings.

Quigley and Sutton may be good historians, and I do not doubt that proposals and experiments on weather modificaiton have taken place, but they do not explain the contrails that are formed in the stratosphere by jet engines.

And people on your side tell me: I know they are chemtrails, I can see them. We all see the white frozen vapors, but only a real scientist is qualified to say if they are “chemtrails.” None do, tho many in other fields feel entitled to dismiss the real expets.

I urge you to do the research I have proposed: you have nothing to lose buy your chains. When people refuse to do their own research (so simple), I conclude they are afraid to find the truth and be exposed as gullible.
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blue 579…Some people luv to drag you down into their own conceited & subjectively egocentric miasma… & then beat you to death with their own special brand of bellicose & aggressive ignorance.
…but I must say I enjoy your ‘moxy’ …cheers

Thanks. I realize it’s often a good idea to ignore these detractors. I’ve had exchanges with Dale and he inadvertently revealed foreknowledge of the enslavement system coming down the pike, probably going back 5 decades to his days as a young graduate student. He’s not here by happenstance and knows more than he is letting on. I’ve sparred with operatives of the same Ivy League ilk and they can be crafty! They watch and test us, I watch and test them. Sometimes I get lucky and, Inspector Clouseau style, pull off a mini coup. LOL What a world! 🙂

Now, all I need is some sonuvabitch in D.C. to get off of his knees from before AIPAC/Israel and tell us Hungary takes babies from incubators, nails them to barn doors and oppresses their people – followed by WE MUST FREE THE HUNGARIANS!
Sigh, I just now caught an article the contents of which have ruined my whole goddamn day;

I visited Hungary a few weeks ago. It is a beautiful country with a beautiful people. It’s wonderful to hear about a country standing up to the hook nosed rats. Wherever you see destruction and corruption in society be it in the form of genocidal immigration policies or schemes of fractional reserve banking. You will always find the root of it in this pestilence of a race hiding behind the curtain.

I don’t know why heavily indebted governments around the globe aren’t waking up to the fact that they could, via an independent body, create their own debt-free money to be spent into the real economy….
There’s a movement in the UK, Positive Money dot Org, which is proposing just such a system.

would you accept newly created money as an exchange for your service?
Why not use Bitcoins to by a car, real estate, food etc…
the answer is that most people would see any value in another created fiat currency that has no backing. Barter would work to some extent but Government has ruled Bartering illegal if laws mean anything to you.

Quotes from U.S. Presidents on the Central Bank
“All problems, depressions, wars, disasters, assassinations, all of them were planned, caused, instigated and implemented by the international bankers and their attempt to establish a central bank in every country in the world, which they have now done, thanks to corrupt politicians who have been bought and paid for. This is all you need to know about the history of the world.”
~ John F. Kennedy, 35th President
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“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President
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“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world – no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
~ Woodrow Wilson, 28th President (a few years after signing the 1913 Federal Reserve Act)
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“Issue of currency should be lodged with the government and be protected from domination by Wall Street. We are opposed to… provisions [which] would place our currency and credit system in private hands.”
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“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”
~ Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President
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“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce… And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
~ James A. Garfield, 20th President
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“The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of government, but it is the government’s greatest creative opportunity. The financing of all public enterprise and the conduct of the treasury will become matters of practical administration. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
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“I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy… I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.”
~ Abraham Lincoln, 16th President
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“The bold effort the present [central] bank had made to control the government … are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it.”
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“If Congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”
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“If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.”
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“The bank is trying to kill me – but I will kill it!”
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“You are a den of vipers and thieves! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out!”
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When asked about his most important accomplishment, President Jackson replied, “I killed the Bank.”
~ Andrew Jackson, 7th President
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“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
~ James Madison, 4th President
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“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
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“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.”
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“The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating.”
~ Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President