Got my hunter in as a PuG for a group advertising "LF ranged dps ToT, guild run, trying heroics" last week.

Did H-Jin'rokh, then wiped a few times on H-Horridon and H-Tortos before going through the rest of it (doing H-Ji'Kun along the way). So I went from (personally) 11/12 to 2H/13 in a week. Picked up the Durumu crossbow too, which was nice. (Had an LFR Qon gun before).

Must not have embarrassed myself too badly, as they put me on the calendar for this week.

It was a little weird to be dead last among the DPS, though. (Not that I was completely buried, but still...)

Also got two different Hearts from the Thunder King yesterday - hopefully I can get the two cloaks today!

Most people want the wealth produced by a society with limited government distributed to them more generously by bigger government.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Got 2 cloaks yesterday. One for Hunter, and the INT/crit/haste/mastery one for my shaman. Couple of small reforges and I hit the 3700-ish haste breakpoint for the healing totems finally.

Bigger success: Finally had enough people to run 10-man again with my horrible terrible bad bad not-good guild. (Remember, this is the one that couldn't avoid Attenuation disks). We 2-shot Jin'rokh (the first try one of the tanks didn't do the swaps correctly - he hadn't seen the encounter before, even in LFR). Then tried Horridon.

Over the course of a few pulls, it went from a complete disaster to getting to the 4th door fairly consistently. Was getting through the 2nd door cleanly at the end, which was awesome compared to the 8 or 9 stacks of poison we had the first couple times! Even got to the wargod once, but one of our tanks was down at that point so there wasn't much hope. *laugh*

Amusement: The trash before Horridon when people have only done that on LFR. I tried to warn them, honestly...

Failure: I didn't quite hit 100k HPS on Jin'rokh. Drat.

Most people want the wealth produced by a society with limited government distributed to them more generously by bigger government.

So I'll admit, this expansion doesn't hold much interest for me. I wound up having to drop my DPS to play a healer, then was asked to switch to a different healer to accomodate a part time pug, so we didn't have double-up class shenanigans, and now I'm back to my first healer. Which is fine!

But this also means she hasn't gotten as much LFR time as she should have, in between healer switches and boredom with the expansion in general.

Which means she's been stuck using the 476 crafted off-hand for who knows how long. No healer shields apparently exist for her (or upgrade in off-hands).

The success? I had her do her first heroic scenario last night, finally, and of course, she gets gold from the heroic satchel. But because it was her first, she also had the question from the spinning guy in Shrine of Seven Stars. He gave her a 516 healer shield. Yes!

(It's hilarious, she had been using a mace/off-hand, and when not holding her weapons, only the mace appeared on her, at the hip. NOW she has the shield, but she did also pick up the healer fist weapon (wtf?) from LFR Council last night, so now she's got only the shield displayed.)

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

another one shot of ji-kun with our last (as in WE HAVE 5 MIN LEFT! LETS GO AND GET THE PULL IN!) pull of the nightsat will be pure progression!

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

not sure what the 3 steps would be, but assuming normal, heroic, and challenge?

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

I don't see the fascination with 5-mans, and why so many of the forums rage about how "x" could have been scrapped in favor of developing more 5-mans. 5 mans can go DIAF. Looking back at my toons, over that past year, I've only run 5-mans to boost leveling, and after having done heroic scenarios now, I see NO need for 5-mans at all at max level. We don't need then to teach tanking or healing, you have LFR and FLEX for that. Why would I want to do a 5-man at 90 when I could do an LFR wing in the same amount of time?

I totally disagree with Flex on this. 5-mans should be the leveling content to teach skills, and scenarios should be the max-level short content for delivering lore and providing daily content.

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twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Sagara wrote:I wouldn't mind BOTH. Scenarios for the quick queue, quick fun, and 5-man for the better loot. And if that means we get three leveling dungeons for 6 scenarios or something like that.

But right now, scenarios are faster, more fun, and provide better loot.. and a quicker queue.. so who needs 5-mans?

The other benefit of scenarios is that they can be developed using more existing assets to tell parts of the story, so we can get more of them, and get new ones as needed. 5-man require a lot more effort and pull resources from other efforts. Much less of a loss if a scenario gets "old" compared to a 5-man.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Sagara wrote:I wouldn't mind BOTH. Scenarios for the quick queue, quick fun, and 5-man for the better loot. And if that means we get three leveling dungeons for 6 scenarios or something like that.

But right now, scenarios are faster, more fun, and provide better loot.. and a quicker queue.. so who needs 5-mans?

The other benefit of scenarios is that they can be developed using more existing assets to tell parts of the story, so we can get more of them, and get new ones as needed. 5-man require a lot more effort and pull resources from other efforts. Much less of a loss if a scenario gets "old" compared to a 5-man.

Tanks and heals would like a few actually :-p But you're right, probably a handful tops during leveling.

When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

So that's 7 5-mans plus 7 scenarios that would all become completly irrelevant as soon as you can touch the first LFR/FLEX raid? What a waste.

5 mans are a relic of the age when most players never set foot in a raid. They are fine as they exist for leveling content, but are really a resouce drain for max level content. I'm not against a few being added for leveling areas, especially to teach new talents, but scenarios fufill the need for short content that can introduce the lore, and provide a daily content fix.

I'd much rather see a few new scenarios to tackle lore with each new patch, rather than any 5-mans at max level.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:I don't see the fascination with 5-mans, and why so many of the forums rage about how "x" could have been scrapped in favor of developing more 5-mans. 5 mans can go DIAF. Looking back at my toons, over that past year, I've only run 5-mans to boost leveling, and after having done heroic scenarios now, I see NO need for 5-mans at all at max level. We don't need then to teach tanking or healing, you have LFR and FLEX for that. Why would I want to do a 5-man at 90 when I could do an LFR wing in the same amount of time?

I totally disagree with Flex on this. 5-mans should be the leveling content to teach skills, and scenarios should be the max-level short content for delivering lore and providing daily content.

5 mans won't even need to exist for "teaching" anything with Proving Grounds finally being implemented. I've personally gotten to the point where I can level faster just questing and when that character reaches 90 it's not even necessary to do heroic 5 mans. Craft you some of the pvp gear, nab a 489 piece from the Barrens weekly and grab your 502 boots and go hit LFR.

halabar wrote:I don't see the fascination with 5-mans, and why so many of the forums rage about how "x" could have been scrapped in favor of developing more 5-mans. 5 mans can go DIAF. Looking back at my toons, over that past year, I've only run 5-mans to boost leveling, and after having done heroic scenarios now, I see NO need for 5-mans at all at max level. We don't need then to teach tanking or healing, you have LFR and FLEX for that. Why would I want to do a 5-man at 90 when I could do an LFR wing in the same amount of time?

I totally disagree with Flex on this. 5-mans should be the leveling content to teach skills, and scenarios should be the max-level short content for delivering lore and providing daily content.

5 mans won't even need to exist for "teaching" anything with Proving Grounds finally being implemented. I've personally gotten to the point where I can level faster just questing and when that character reaches 90 it's not even necessary to do heroic 5 mans. Craft you some of the pvp gear, nab a 489 piece from the Barrens weekly and grab your 502 boots and go hit LFR.

halabar wrote:I don't see the fascination with 5-mans, and why so many of the forums rage about how "x" could have been scrapped in favor of developing more 5-mans. 5 mans can go DIAF. Looking back at my toons, over that past year, I've only run 5-mans to boost leveling, and after having done heroic scenarios now, I see NO need for 5-mans at all at max level. We don't need then to teach tanking or healing, you have LFR and FLEX for that. Why would I want to do a 5-man at 90 when I could do an LFR wing in the same amount of time?

I totally disagree with Flex on this. 5-mans should be the leveling content to teach skills, and scenarios should be the max-level short content for delivering lore and providing daily content.

5 mans won't even need to exist for "teaching" anything with Proving Grounds finally being implemented. I've personally gotten to the point where I can level faster just questing and when that character reaches 90 it's not even necessary to do heroic 5 mans. Craft you some of the pvp gear, nab a 489 piece from the Barrens weekly and grab your 502 boots and go hit LFR.

True. Leave the old ones, and just develop scenarios as needed to introduce new content.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

I love 5 mans. BC era heroics and Cata five mans. I love marking targets, organising cc, explaining boss tactics to newbies and persevering through 20 wipes on the last boss of ZG. I find them much more fun to tank than raids, where the artificial dances and stop-start flow of progression wipes break any immersion.

I hate "gogogo" 5 mans where everyone massively outgears them though, as happened late Wotlk, Cata and now MoP. They are not quite as charmless as scenarios, but nearly. Both are content I do to cap points not because they are fun.

On other news, I watched Pacific Rim, the whole time I tried to match the characters in the movie to their analogue in Evangelion. Definitively worth watching though -- if what you want to see is giant mecha vs kaijus -- since there's a lot of it.