Game: Using insights from evolutionary psychology and human biodiversity, game teaches men, especially beta males, how to simulate the attitudes and characteristics of alpha males so as to be more attractive to females.

Again, a rough draft. Feel free to re-write.

Also, if you can think of any other terms that need to be added or revisions to current terms, please let me know.

I don’t have a major problem with the crux of this reader’s definition of game. I see what he’s getting at. I might rephrase it to: “Using insights from evolutionary psychology and real world experience bedding women…”, but then the peer review panel would get the hives. However, I don’t think a definition should be nested (if that’s the right word); that is, a good definition won’t require the reader to have to look up the definitions of fuzzy words within the main definition (e.g., “beta males” or “alpha males”).

How about this definition instead (and one that avoids using the word game within the definition)?:

Game, noun

A systematized blueprint of male behavior for attracting, courting and seducing women in an efficient and powerful manner based on the practical application of theories of human, and particularly female, sexuality derived from the insights of evolutionary psychology, biology and real world experimentation.

Any alternate suggestions from the peanut gallery?

PS I do think game and HBD greatly overlap, despite the commonly held misconceptions that HBD is a synonym for genetic determinism or that game is a synonym for boundless behavioral plasticity.

Wealth is not attractive. You can see a ton of rich guys going home solo every weekend at any high-end club. If it were a constant, every guy with money would be getting laid and they wouldn’t be attending PUA bootcamps.

Fame/notoriety on the other hand, is consistently attractive. No matter if you’re just famous in one small location (local restaurant, bar, town, etc) or world-wide and weather it’s for something good or bad (death row) you’ll have a fan club of attracted girls.

…but that’s called Social Proof, which is already a Game concept (and I guess an HBD concept?).

So ya, I’m just pointing out that your concept of “auto-game” doesn’t exist, it’s either not actually attractive or already a part of Game.

Ya I come from a very wealthy family and am a late 20s virgin. Never really understood the connection between money and poon. I see all these engineer/science nerds thinking that they will be super successful with the ladies once they start making money, but all they will get is some girl who just got off the carousel looking for a “provider”.

Dude, if that’s true (and you are able to spend the money), I guaran-goddamn-tee you you could hang around with me for a week and be drowning in quality pussy by day 4, and that’s if everything goes completely wrong.

lol even then they’re not sexually attracted by it, they’re just opportunistic. If money made them wet they’d just hump a pile of dollar bills.

One could argue that the wealth helps foster a situation and circumstances where the golddigger can BECOME attracted (to the Game qualities the man has), by removing an arbitrary psychological obstacle that she’s created to hold the key to the lock on her attraction floodgates (the same way a scared person may be capable of being relaxed if what’s causing that fear can be removed, psychologically unlocking access to their relaxed feelings). But just as a room filling with light isn’t objectively relaxing (what if a dark room lit on fire?) but the act of turning on the lights can allow the scared person to see the room is calm and allow themselves to relax, the wealth itself isn’t objectively attractive, but having it can allow the golddigger to see her financial hang-ups assuaged and allow herself to become attracted.

But then, we’re talking about golddiggers here, one of the lowest forms of women there is, personality-wise…so really, who cares? lol

But it could still be a woman you’d want to fuck.
And many gold-diggers are intoxicatingly beautiful. They’re parasitic but they can be tamed especially if you’re red-pilled and aware of women’s tricks and ploys.
But I agree that money without game is problematic.

The problem is most guys chasing wealth waste their entire 20s-30s chasing it, working 80+ hours a week with no time to socialize and interact with women and learn to attract and seduce them.

So in the end they have a ton of money and are like “so where are the bitches I was promised???” and are fucked because they don’t have the Game skills to attract or keep anything but golddiggers or prostitutes.

Ideally you want a job that pays decent but allows you to still have free time to go out and socialize and approach and date women regularly. If its a choice between a high paying job and no free time and a lower paying job with tons of free time, take the lower paying job.

Oh and a social job is GREAT. Like bartending, where you get paid decent AND are expected to socialize and flirt with girls.

A buddy of mine works in a corporate job now but spent a year working in a high-end clothing store in the mall. The guy’s social circle is full of gorgeous chicks because he practiced his game on all the hot chicks coming into his store. He’s got way more access to gorgeous pussy than the guy who stayed in all the time to study for med school exams.

to take a note from GBFM by the time a guy gets into his late 30’s and is wealthy to some extent, the woman that has no kids never been asscocked and has some dignity and values is extremely rare. so the rich guy has to settle with some womans alpha tribe and bernakified asscockery

As an addendum, monetary wealth itself is a rather new evolutionary trait and women haven’t adapted to it to find it viscerally attractive. Just prior to the advent of insured banks if you were wealthy and nobody liked you, your wealth could get stolen or your kids could get beat up (wealth doesn’t guarantee positive treatment of progeny). However if you are famous /popular you could be broke you’ll always find a way to re-attain resources if you lose them (and its less likely you’ll lose your resources in the first place)- which is why women have been hardwired to find fame and popularity attractive and not wealth.

Well, certanly if you’re schmuck with money, than they mostly don’t like you, BUT if you have self confidance, and you’re rich, think that’s a killer. So if you came to that money by yourself you’re probably self conident already to start with. Guys that know shit about game told me that. Correct me if i’m wrong.

Read your line, “BUT if you have self confidance, and you’re rich, think that’s a killer”. The principal idea is confidence. If you have confidence and you’re poor you’ll do OK. If you have confidence and you’re rich, then it’s amazing.

The corollary is beauty with a chick. If she’s hot and has a bad personality then she’ll do OK. If she’s hot and has a great personality then it’s amazing!

The lynchpin is CONFIDENCE not wealth. Of course wealth ADDS, but the key is confidence. If you’re not confidence and wealthy, who cares, the same as an ugly girl with a great personality. Wealth’s complimentary not principle.

Having had both at different times and, occasionally, at the same time, I will make the claim that having a tight flat stomach and having an even million bucks in a bank account are about equally attractive to women. There are differences, however: a) any guy can have a six pack if he REALLY wants it, b) the women who are with you for your bod put out a whole lot more than the women who are with you for your wallet.

Maybe Biden is a CH reader and he did that to appear as a preselected pimp.
Gotta admit that AMOGing bikers is pretty badass. But the jury is still out, because the female is a past-her-prime groupie and the male bikers look like eunuch betas.
I wonder though if young fertile groupies would prefer a bureaucrat to a biker with equal situational charisma/game.

One of the greatest misconceptions about ev psych/HBD is that it implies that everything is set in stone by our genetics. That is false. My prime example is that people are vastly less religious than they used to be. (And if you doubt me on this you should read about how religious people back in the day were. Sociologist Steve Bruce would be a good start.) Yet, our genes haven’t changed that much in the past 100 years. Clearly, human nature can change quite dramatically in response to different environmental stimuli. What ev psych/HBD does denyy is we can change human nature into whatever we want. There are biological limitations on how much our environment (or we ourselves) can change us. We can change ourselves only in certain areas and only within certain predetermined grooves and only within certain ranges. So, for example, men can become more or less religious or better or worse with women, but they can’t be made to like fat chicks better than slender babes or prefer eating cardboard over file mignon.

Thus, there is no conflict between the ev psych/HBD emphasis on the enormous importance of genes and the game/PUA emphasis on self-improvement. Many men have enormous unrealized potential, but are underperforming. They will benefit the most from game. Men with less potential will only see limited gains.

Correctly phrased, our genes determine the limits of behavioural spectra, between which people are more or less free to develop preferences – nature sets the boundaries, in between you are more or less free, depending on personal, social, environmental, religious background.
It’s not true that human nature changes dramatically in response to stimuli, it just “shifts” within the aforementioned boundaries (Example: in societies with scarce resources, men are “more tolerant” of big woman and woman prefer tough guys – whereas in rich societies, men prefer slender babes and women accept weaker guys, too).
The fact that we are far less religious than ever before is solely cultural, religiosity is hardly imprinted in our genes. What is imprinted is the wish to understand the environment and ourselves, thus the more solid knowledge we possess, the less we need to believe into whatever…

Also, you or your environment can permanently alter your own nature, in some areas and within limits.

[heartiste: yes, portions of the brain can partially “rewire” when under extreme environmental duress. the classic exmaple would be the blind person whose other senses become more sensitive to compensate. another example: introverts can inch toward extraversion with repeated exposure to social interaction. they will never be as comfortable with or as good at socializing as natural born extroverts, but they can become less uncomfortable than their unpracticed state.]

I should also have noted that some aspects of our psychology really do seem to be genetically determined, at least in the sense that they will come out the same in just about every possible social environment.

A systematized blueprint of male behavior for attracting, seducing and keeping women in an efficient and powerful manner based on the practical application of theories of human, and particularly female, sexuality derived from the insights of evolutionary psychology, biology and real world experimentation.

Also, the ‘simulation’ of alphas is only in the fake-it-til-you-make-it phase. Do it well enough and long enough and you stop thinking about it, and you become what you simulated early on. A lot of it is mindset instilled by fathers in my opinion anyway, some of us just take years to do it for ourselves later.

I was thinking about how this all relates today…let me know if this is the common denominator.

Men seek to fulfill their needs…women seek to pursue an opportunity.

Ergo women don’t need to know much about what gets a man going…it’s mostly food and sex. Men on the other hand need to figure out how to make a woman see them as an opportunity. Game more or less does that.

This definition is, ahem.. broad… enough to cover all applications of Game:
– PUAs who game their way into 100’s of beds
– Christian virgins who use game to stop the church-girl LJBF’s and get married
– husbands who use game to repair or strengthen their marriages (Athol et al).

the thing is that we shouldnt have to adapt to please them, we should stay they way we like or want to be and they should have to fucking adapt. and you are right “adapting”, and also Game: a more efficient way of getting what you want from women.

> The Man Who Was . . .
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> One of the greatest misconceptions about ev psych/HBD is that it implies that everything is set in stone by our genetics. That is false. My prime example is that people are vastly less religious than they used to be.

No, just their religion has changed. To believe that all men are created equal, or that men are equal to women, that marriage can be between equals, is a religious belief, and an exceptionally silly religious belief, for one cannot see the flying spaghetti not existing, but one can see women not being equal.

To be fair, there are probably plenty of beta’s that could have been alpha’s with the right upbringing. they just didn’t have anyone to show them how.

as an aside: who out there is on the bleeding edge of PUA theory right now? I’ve read most of the old guards stuff but I’ve been out of the loop, and I’m worried I might have missed some bigger changes/discoveries.

Process: Game is a process. It is multi-faceted and requires a set of conditions to be successfully employed.

Male: One could substitute female or living creature, but Male to Female is most appropriate for our purposes.

Seduces: Sex.

Female: See Male.

Desires: The most important word. Without desire, game would just be a synonym for seduction. Seduction does not require desire, only strategy for attraction. IMO, Game is seduction applied to a target of honest desire (another definition).

“So when he started talking about boobs I didn’t really care. When he started showing me pictures of boobs of girls at the party that he had taken I thought “okay that’s weird whatever maybe he asked beforehand.” At some point he raised a concern about being Asian and women not wanting him cause of some stereotypical view of penis size, and I was like “most women will agree size doesn’t matter” and went back to my phone.

Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked “Is this big enough?””

Sure, he’s Omega, but the real issue in reading that is not that the Asian guy with an anatomical complex was Omega. Can’t you see what’s really going on there?

Like tons of White Knights coming to the defense of a drunk girl blogger who believes society needs to be changed so men don’t approach women who are sitting alone?

Like the radical feminist blog author saying twice that women shouldn’t be bothered by strangers in public? And no matter how they are dressed and no matter how drunk?

Like the guy who pointed that out getting attacked by those who said he was “blaming the victim” somehow? And then they asked “Why were you so gutless as to comment anonymously?” as if anyone who doesn’t toe the feminist party line can reasonably comment with a real name?

Seriously, the PUA community used to be mostly a bunch of White Knights who would point out “Wasn’t he an Omega” when confronted with the behavior of somone feminists really don’t like.

We’ve gotten past that.

Or have we?

CH posted on twitter last month about how a husband whose wife fucked the high school football team, as their teacher, was a real beta loser for standing by her.

True. That’s obvious. But the real story was that American society was putting someone in jail for 15 years for having sex with legal age adults based on the mentally sick idea that, because she was their teacher, that made it an imprisonable felony offence rather than simply grounds to fire her as a teacher.

Feminist calls for more laws restricting sexuality are more important to blog about or discuss than whether this guy was Omega or Beta or that guy was Beta or Omega.

is the pinacle of game getting a chick to jump off a cliff because she loves you on your say so or giving up heroine for love deep thought for the day
its a challenge maybe thats what it is.
side note:
surprize surprize another chicks wants my kid call cnn

Rob Ryan…defensive coordinator of the Cowboys just had surgery to correct a weight problem. Why do I bring this up? Look at his wife’s comments about who he is and what she likes. Being alpha can cover up being overweight.

A systematized blueprint of male behavior for attracting, courting and seducing women in an efficient and powerful manner based on the practical application of theories of human, and particularly female, sexuality derived from the insights of evolutionary psychology, biology and real world experimentation.

You were better in your poetic phase. “Amused mastery,” “pretty lies perish,” “crimson arts,” “herbly.” To quantify a phenomenon is to vivisect it. Artists breathe concepts to life.

Game for men is sangfroid, aplomb, urbanity, swagger, savoir faire. In a word, “manliness.” In the pre-feminist past it had been called thumos, megalopsychia, virtù, gentlemanliness, and, yes, chivalry. Game is a synonym for confidence and control. The PUA games women to pick them up. The woman games men by fashion, cosmetics, and style. We all game each other to establish leadership. “Alpha” is defined by leadership.

Depending on a person’s approach, the definitions necessarily will change. PUA philosophy is a sacred creed in these parts. Exegetes of scripture never debate the revealed concepts themselves — that would be blasphemous — rather, they quibble over the meanings of words, and execute their technique according to private, relative understandings of a concept. We seek expression through definition rather than dialectic, rhetoric, argument, or synthesis.

What does any of this have to do with human biodiversity or evolutionary psychology? Precisely nothing. Those are intellectual placemarkers to legitimate a practical concept in lieu of analysis.

In other breaking news, “science” “proves” that girls throw like girls. We could have demonstrated the same thing without commissioning studies, but then we wouldn’t have gotten the bogus approval of “science,” which is neither scientific nor relevant, properly speaking.

Matt

[heartiste: you wound me deeply sir. i shall hie to the betabatorium.]

This is just so deeply hilarious. A guy typing on a computer posting on the fucking internet– think about the vast amount, centuries of collective effort, of science in creating the IC, figuring out the logical architecture of UNIX, the vastness of the electrical power system, EVERYTHING he says here is dependent on the harmonious functioning of all that… and he believes it works because.. of the power of what, prayer!?

“Jesus, show me the optimal trace width for a 3 Ghz IC! Help me Jesus!”

I’m starting to like these medieval people. They are highly amusing, when they’re not torturing people on the crusades, or doing jihad, or whatever they do when upset.

Game or Sexual charisma: a systematic approach to being sexually desirable to women by creating confortable attraction based on appealing to the hypergamous sexual preferences demonstrated by their behavior.

Oh no. There is a massive difference between social and sexual charisma. A man who is a leader of men can be very well a beta in the sexual marketplace. In the context of Game “alpha” does not mean social leader, it means someone who is desired by women, and the two can be very different, even if social charisma can be one (often minor) element that stimulates the desire of women. Please reread this Heartiste post about a sexually charismatic man who is otherwise a social loser: heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/

At my forum, you’re not even allowed to talk about hookers. They’re bad for game and I don’t use ‘em. But I found another outlet, when I’m really hard up, there’s a bathhouse in my city. Its not gay if you’re on top. That’s one thing I learned from international travel to Latin countries.

Thank you man for not judging me. Here is how it all got started. I’m actually about to come out (so to speak) with a new breakthrough game technique, that is so simple, obvious, and powerful that you’ll kick yourself for not having thought if it first. I noticed how gay guys always had a lot of hot chicks hanging around them. The guy is safe and unattainable for them – irresistible. So I just play that role, then when I get them home I start telling them about how they have suddenly unleashed strange new yearnings in me. Believe me, its a real kick to see how turned on they get thinking they’re breaking you in for the first time to a woman. Anyway that is how I started going to gay bathhouses, I was doing field research into how they act and stuff. I had gone months, my code says I can’t pay for sex, nor am I allowed to rub one out. I guess I was vulnerable and like I say, according to my code and most latin cultures, its really not gay if you’re on top. And sometimes okay I get a helping hand, hey its not ME rubbing it out, or give one. The strange thing is though, maybe the last laugh is on me… women think they’re turning me one way… but I’m worried that I’m turning the other way and may “ditch the bitch, and make the switch”.

Look, I want it to be known, that I don’t count it as a notch when I’m switch-hitting That makes it okay, and hey I’m the moderator at rooshvforum so my word is law. Anyway for me a nice ass passes the boner test. I’m sure Roosh will understand.

So I was out doing yard work this AM and I overheard my neighbor’s teenage daughter arguing with her BF.

All I heard was her saying “I felt, you felt, we felt, they felt, she felt, he felt, I need you to understand how I felt, I feel, you feel, we all feel, I need to know how you feel, I feel what I felt when I was feeling what I felt….”

Unfortunately for him, she is pretty good looking and he will listen to all that crazy in order to get up in that hot teenage snatch. I certainly did when I was his age…

I wanted to scream, “RUN little guy, RUN… This way to freedom!”
I remained silent, he probably wouldn’t listen anyway…..

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