How many times have these types of missile launches gone astray been debunked? ...and not only on this site, I've seen these videos broken down on
debunking television shows.

If these videos strike a fancy, use the search function on here and try to convince yourself these are anything but a missile launch. I'll admit, at
first sight I thought that was some out of this world phenomenon...but after doing some reading and being shown conclusive evidence in threads here
and else where...it's safe to say these "sightings" are in fact man man, missile launches.

Just to keep the conversation going.

Why is it that Russians are having these issues? Do other countries have these same problems (missiles exploding into insane spirals)? Is this
caused from a lack of quality product or simply a failure during testing? Are these videos not found from U.S. cameras because of secrecy?

No gimmick here, the issue of spectacular sky apparitions and how many of them are caused by space/missile activity remains a serious topic.

This one looks like a 'normal' rocket launch, and when the date can be established -- something that too often is hard or impossible to do -- a
matching launch will probably be found.

BUT....

'Space spirals' have always fascinated me as a real-life 'rocket scientist', and calling them all 'failed rockets' just doesn't wash.

I believe most are NOT caused by 'failures', since many are observed on identified missile.launcher ascents that did NOT fail, or at least, did not
fail during the early ascent stage that was observed.

On ICBM test flights, especially out of Kapustin Yar, a brief spiral at the end of powered flight is almost certainly the equivalent of the MX
warhead spin-up and deploy on US missiles. There are MX launch animations on youtube that show exactly that phase of launch.

On solid-fuel ICBM launches, the spirals that have been for at least 30 years observed in northern Russia and neighboring countries are much longer in
duration, so spin-up is implausible as the cause. They are also quite uniform: usually two streamers, and usually seen to cut off suddenly and sharply
at both ends. That also argues against them being a reuslt of an out-of-control tumbling rocket [there ARE a few such videos of this on youtube and
those spirals clearly are irregular in direction and duration].

I suspect the 'normal' solid-fuel ICBM spirals are a feature of thrust-dumping, a feature of a solid rocket -- which cannot be shut down once
ignited -- being launched toward a target at significantly shorter than maximum range. From the submarine launch areas in the White Sea, or even
Plesetsk, the Kura-Kamchatka impact range is nowhere near as far as the missile's maximum range. So to prevent overshoots, the missile must 'shed'
excess thrust, and the most common method of doing so is to long-axis rotate the missile and open opposing side thrust-dumping ports. This creates a
tightly-wound double-spiral [ when seen on or near the horizon this has sometimes been reported or dran as 'expanding circles']

Once actually IN orbit, spirals have been seen to have been created by fuel dumps as the booster randomly rolls or tumbles -- the Australia sighting
of the SpaceX Dragon first orbital mission, for example, a few years ago. This has been a feature of orbital missions since the dawn of the Space Age
and has been seen for nearly as long. Just not widely videotaped until recently.

So I wanted to stress the multiple potential prosaic causes of 'space spirals' so that any additional stimuli can be filtered out and focussed in
on.

Launches -- particularly Russian and Chinese ones -- have been sparking UFO reports over Eurasia for decades, as well, and many 'classic' signtings
on long-published archival chronicles, including sightings by pilots, remain to be filtered out. What I find distressing is not just the initial
inability of researchers to do so, but even more, their continuing defiant denial of the NEED to do so.

UFO sightings caused by satellite reentries, particularly the spectacular fireball fragment fleets from falling rocket stages, are another categoty
entirely. We discussed that in the "1996 Yukon" thread not long ago.

The degree to which witnesses, INCLUDING PILOTS, misperceive and misinterpret such visual stimuli is pretty shocking, and needs to be more precisely
mapped out. That's why these kinds of UFO reports deserve serious attention and study, for 'instrumental calibration' purposes if nothing else.

Originally posted by free_spirit
Sorry but this video is not new but from 2006, the famous sighting from Tomsk
and yes, already discussed here several times. here is the original 2006 thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...]
You may want to consider to change the false title of this thread of yours, not new
not Tolyatti and certainly not Nov. 21. Or simply close the thread and turn the page.

Wow!! Definite 'hit', I screen-capped your cited video and compared the street-light pattern to this one labeled 'Tolyatti', and they are a perfect
match. That was a surprise to me, but it shouldn't have been --
so many of these videos get relabeled and recycled.

Maybe that should be the main theme -- how unreliable the descriptions of such videos often is, and how important it is to involve interested
entghusiasts with good visual memories to 'vet' them.

BIG favor, you've done me and all of us. Dang, this is the ATS hive-mind at its cosmic best!

Let me see what I can do about the thread title.... [edit -- nothing, apparently]

ADD: The 'original' video has no pedigree I can read, no source and no date of origin. So that posting may not even be the first one.

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Originally posted by JimOberg

So I wanted to stress the multiple potential prosaic causes of 'space spirals' so that any additional stimuli can be filtered out and focussed in
on.

You certainly didn't accomplish that with your 1 line OP.

Originally posted by JimOberg

The degree to which witnesses, INCLUDING PILOTS, misperceive and misinterpret such visual stimuli is pretty shocking, and needs to be more precisely
mapped out. That's why these kinds of UFO reports deserve serious attention and study, for 'instrumental calibration' purposes if nothing
else.

So what does your video, which was taken from the ground, have to do with PILOTS in all caps?

The 'instruments' in question is human eyewitness testimony, and missile/space events provide a unique mechanism whereby what people report can be
compared to known visual stimuli.

The original link was to a genuine 'UFO story', like so many others that serve as opening posts hereabouts.

I had tentative ideas about what it might have been but chose not to prejudice the responses, and correctly so -- since a later poster revealed the
link i gave was NOT a current sighting/video but was several years old. So my own 'suspicions' were unprovable.

It was a good cautionary tale for me and others.

Meanwhile, snce the actual time/date of the video is unknown, the identification of its stimulus remains unknown.

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