I have a VIP Sword in the bag with my Tern. The Tern is longer and more understable. There is more movement in the Tern's flight and a bit more late LSS as well.

That surprised me. I have not thrown Terns but i thought it was a close relative to the flippier Pro Katanas. And those are on par roughly with the later than first run Swords. Sounds like there is too much fade to get ultimate distance then but even the least fading fast disc that is not a total flipper the D3 has too much LSS to finish straight with my power which is seriously lacking in spin to keep the Sword from losing D from the fade. Heck even the Pro Katanas fade on me. And the flip monsters like Vulcans. Sounds like i'll save my money by not buying a Tern then.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Got out to throw my 164 Champ Tern. It's surprising stable with great glide and a late fade, like others have already said...so I have nothing new to add.

It gave me the impression that it was 12/5/-1/2 at 375'-400' of power, even with a mild headwind. Granted, it's pretty much new and I didn't run it through its paces because the course I played didn't call for it.

I have not thrown the Star but the Innova disc chart gives the Champ the exact same rating as the Wahoo. No way the Tern turns like the Wahoo. A good bit more HSS. I agree with fightingthetide 12/5/-1/2 which matches the Teedevil rating but I have never thrown that disc.

the star i have doesn't seem to have as much left to right movement as my champs. The star i have just flie really straight and has a late smooth fade. the champs all have this shallow s curve turning and then coming back and fade out quicker. this said I am a 350' guy and i am throw discs in the 160's so my results might be different.

Also so i miss read Disc speed post earlier. But i do agree the star fades late in flight then the champ.

I ordered a Star and a Champ at the same time and the parting line on my pair is identical. My Champ has a slightly higher dome. The two fly very similar for me (about -2/2, definitely not -4/2). I feel like a get a better pull on the Star because of the grip.