This is a Ginetta, it would race in a series that is on the British Touring Car Championship support package. Fast cars!

Are you talking about this one? this is a Caterham or Westfield, I struggle to tell the difference sometimes. There are different championships for this, Caterham graduates for younger drivers. There is Caterham academy or just Caterham racing in general split into groupes. Some of these have motorbike engines and can race in the 750mc. There are so many different types about, also very fast cars as they are so light. Club level stuff!

That is just a brief ramble of information, hopefully you can make some sense of it.

And to my shame, I had no idea that Ginetta is still around (Whoooooops). I thought they closed down around the same time as TVR. That car is sexy.

I should think so too! If you watch BTCC on ITV4 on Sunday you will see two very successful Ginetta series, particularly the Junior Championship which is breeding some very respectable young (14yr old) talent.

I should think so too! If you watch BTCC on ITV4 on Sunday you will see two very successful Ginetta series, particularly the Junior Championship which is breeding some very respectable young (14yr old) talent.

Ginetta seems to have been a bit of a success story over the last few years. Several Championships in various sizes of cars.

It would be pretty thin gruel if it restricted itself to historic F1 cars, about one a month if we were very lucky - I am quite happy to have a gander at anything that turns up on a Wednesday, including 2CVs cornering on 2 wheels and a doorhandle...

It would be pretty thin gruel if it restricted itself to historic F1 cars, about one a month if we were very lucky - I am quite happy to have a gander at anything that turns up on a Wednesday, including 2CVs cornering on 2 wheels and a doorhandle...

I'm a bit of a dunce on Lotus type numbers so I'm looking for help here - This excellent shot of Matt's looks to feature the same model of Lotus as a period photo I have in the archives (below) which has so far failed to find a confirmed identity.

I know this one was taken at Warwick Farm, Aus' - but who's the driver? And What model of Lotus is it (even assuming it IS a Lotus.....)?

I'm a bit of a dunce on Lotus type numbers so I'm looking for help here - This excellent shot of Matt's looks to feature the same model of Lotus as a period photo I have in the archives (below) which has so far failed to find a confirmed identity.

I know this one was taken at Warwick Farm, Aus' - but who's the driver? And What model of Lotus is it (even assuming it IS a Lotus.....)?

If you can date the photo I could probably pin it down more accurately , however it could well be a car I restored .
Could be Lotus 20 , 20-J-965 after it went to new owner Reg Papps and Sons Team who updated it quite well with
top camber links at rear , inboard rear discs etc.
The car in the photo looks like it is still on 13.0'' front and 15.0'' diameter wheels as per standard Lotus 20 , if it is
the Reg Papps car later on it had 13.0'' all round of 8.0'' and 10.0'' widths or thereabout.
Due to the updates the team entered it as a Lotus 31 even though we never had any such model run in Australia.

If you can date the photo I could probably pin it down more accurately , however it could well be a car I restored .Could be Lotus 20 , 20-J-965 after it went to new owner Reg Papps and Sons Team who updated it quite well withtop camber links at rear , inboard rear discs etc.The car in the photo looks like it is still on 13.0'' front and 15.0'' diameter wheels as per standard Lotus 20 , if it isthe Reg Papps car later on it had 13.0'' all round of 8.0'' and 10.0'' widths or thereabout.Due to the updates the team entered it as a Lotus 31 even though we never had any such model run in Australia.

Happy to pin it down with some more information if such exists.

Bryan Miller.

Many thanks Bryan. Afraid no other info is known, there's nothing written on the back of the photo, but it certainly sounds like it's the car you mention. Did Reg drive it himself?

There are other cars it could be , I have all Warwick Farm programmes so will go through
them and see if I can pick the race number against the car in a programme sometime
between 1965-68 I would think.

There are other cars it could be , I have all Warwick Farm programmes so will go throughthem and see if I can pick the race number against the car in a programme sometime between 1965-68 I would think.

Really interesting exercise going through all the old Warwick Farm Programmes .
I am only able to come up with two suspects if I am correct in reading the car as # 23 .

Ist is R.Young [ Bob ] in the ex Leo Geoghegan Lotus 22 [ 22-J-49] but for all the world the
car in your mystery photo looks like it is on 13.0'' diameter fronts and 15.0'' rears as per std.
Lotus 20 spec. whereas Lotus 22s were on 13.0'' diameter all round from new.
That race is a support to the Australian G.P. Feb. 19th 1967 , car colour listed as Green.
Therefor I don't believe it is Bob Young.

2nd choice is my belief in the same car as I mentioned earlier Lotus 20 [ 20-J-965 ] but prior
to Reg Papps and Sons .
July 16th 1967 Warwick Farm has A.M.R.D. entrant , driver , I [ Ian ] Jenkins Lotus 20 , 1098cc
blue/white.
AMRD was Australian Motor Racing Developments , a short lived driving school who had purchased the car
from second owner Doug Ferris and ran a couple of cars .
I was always under the impression that Papps had done the rear end conversion but could well be
mistaken and all Papps and Sons did was alter to inboard discs and 1300cc engine and big 13.0'' wheels
all round.

As a footnote after I purchased the car some 25 years ago I contacted Papps and Sons out Mascot
way near Kingsford Smith airport and asked about the car and did they happen to have any old bits
lying around , to which they replied yes, even though I lived 45 minutes away it only took me 10 minutes
to get there and we had a look around the automotive workshop and after a few minutes they remembered
they had put all the old bits in a Vanguard out in the back yard , so I came away with the original alloy
finned inboard drum assemblies and the pair of Cosworth inlet manifolds and as a bonus a brand new very
dusty Lotus 20 windscreen that was still hanging from the workshop roof.

Thats excellent - certainly sounds like the right car doesn't it? Many thanks for your efforts on this one. What race/series was it running in on the day? Being from the other side of the world I must confess general ignorance about how Aussie racing was run at the time - beyond the Tasman series and the touring car championship.

Warwick Farm had generally six meetings a year , each one had a different major race
e.g. Tasman , AJC Touring Car Trophy meeting , RAC Sports Car meeting etc.
This meeting was the AJC [ Australian Jockey Club , Warwick Farm was part of the horse
racing circuit ] race meeting for the AJC Trophy , so the major event was touring cars .

Lovely pictures, Phil - very well done and thanks for taking the time to post them. I was frustratingly close this morning, but didn't have sufficient time - which makes me more determined than ever to get along soon!!

Has it EVER rained at Mallory on a Wednesday since this thread was started?

Note we had some good on board camera shots of the "sky". Oliroy ran well on two year old tyres we had a top end missfire which turned out to be the battery. For some reason the casing had melted. There is allways something new that turn's up and kick's you in the b---ocks.Thats why we go testing. Thanks for the photo.Cheers Iain. Next stop Monaco and yes with some new tyres.