Goldmark won’t challenge McMorris

Word is that Okanogan County rancher and former WA Dept. of Agriculture Director Peter Goldmark has decided not to challenge first term Rep. Cathy McMorris in the 5th Congressional District. Too bad. Goldmark is exactly the kind of Democrat we need running in Eastern Washington.

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If there’s no media bias in Seattle, why is it we aren’t reading in the times and pi about Senator Dimbulb getting more tainted Abramoff dollars that all other Washington state politicians COMBINED?????? Why aren’t there screaming headlines?

And what’s the deal with giving the money back? What the fuck is the point? She’s compromised. Do you moonbats think she should resign?

Also, I asked yesterday for you to list her grand accomplishments. I haven’t seen anything. Still can’t think of anything? Even one?

MTR- Are you completely ignorant of how the political system works? Murry is in the minority party. The majority party controls the agenda. Therefore she cannot get legislation passed. I have personal knowledge of a local need which she was able to handle through an appropriations bill. No I will not give details. But big legislation, the R’s will not let it out of committee.

Too bad. McMorris is one of the few remaining Militia/Talibangelist/GOP Class of ’94. Our wonderful wifebeating Bush-appointed Region 10 FEMA director is another.

Goldmark has real values, and his family has certainly seen what kind of senseless violence the right wing is capable of.

Speaking of which, is there any way the phone tappers at BushCo could start spying on some of the more radical right wing elements at Sound Politics? Violent-sounding right wing ideologues should not be allowed to pack heat. I know many of them are just there to balance the scales out against Eco-terrorists and animal rights types…but when was the last time you heard about a left winger hunting down people they don’t agree with?

The latest reports is the Patty’s money came from the tribes, not directly from Abramoff. So, what has she done to help them? It could easily be non-legislative. Otherwise her main accomplishment has been to raise money for other senators. Which means she hasn’t done much for our state.

Exception: the Sculpture Park, which she saved from the budget knife. I bet looking into that little project will unearth something. It was important enough for her to threaten her fellow senators when they thought to cut it. Who owns the land under that little gem?

LOL at you GOPPers and your ‘loyal’ party. Even your idol, Newt says that DeLiar should go!!! “Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives need to give up on former Majority Leader Tom DeLay and elect someone to succeed him as they try to overcome a wave of scandals, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said.”

Name ONE idea that came out of her fertile mind that she executed to completion as FUWAâ€™s senior senator. Something where she saw a problem, came up with an innovative solution, sold it to the senate, and got it passed.

Here is that taste again MTYDR, just the thing to make you run away again…

”We were in error. Senator Murray was right,” said Senator Rick Santorum, Republican of Pennsylvania. ”I am not happy that we were put in a position to vote against an amendment that we now find out was needed, but we got bad information.”

righton@17 Further proof positive righton is an ignorant rethug operative. You presume to educate us Washington yokels, and are ignorant of anything uniquely Washington. What smelly hole did you crawl out off? Google the Goldmark name.

It’s really quite useless to argue with the likes of MTR. More useful would be to focus on deconstructing the strategy behind the wingers’ rhetoric. Notice how they are once again practicing the art of distraction. Instead of acknowledging and disavowing the systemic corruption that the Bush-DeLay Gang has brought to Washington DC, they are attempting to tar Democrats with the same brush.

These guys are so predictable. The same strategy they used against King County elections will be applied to the likes of Cantwell and Murray. Their memes will be repeated over and over and over and over until they succeed in making them part of MSM conventional wisdom — regardless of their factual merits.

That’s why i think we need to be careful about how we respond to these guys. Feeding the fire isn’t a good idea.

Righton@22 Again your rhetoric displays your ignorance. The moron who committed this atrocity was an avowed admirer of Hitler. If the man described himself as a fascist, then. . . .However, I note his semblance to certain trolls hereabouts.

No, I am saying the man was a proto-neoconvict. You, on the other hand are rethug operative. . . and as such, you should be shown the door. The question in my mind is just how far down the dragnet will go with Abramoff singing. I can hope the Brooks Brothers batallion will be dragged in along with the kingfish. . . .

Donnageddon, MTYDR claimed to have an education in Engineering. Surpisingly he is totally ignorant of “Galloping Gertie”‘s place in engineering history. Something taught to freshman engineering wannabes. . . .

MTR- How about this from a Texas Republican: MRS. HUTCHISON. Mr. President, I commend Senator Murray, Senator Akaka, and all Members who have worked together with Senator Feinstein and myself on this veterans issue. ….. Senator Murray saw this coming early on. She did believe there were more veterans coming into the system from what she was hearing in the field, and the Veterans’ Administration at that time did not see the model that was not working.http://hutchison.senate.gov/speec452.htm

But this does’t fit your world view. Explain to me why it doesn’t matter.

Patty “SNEAKER” Murray got her dough from Black Jack’s clients. Shame on her sorry ass!! The KLOWNS defend Murray by saying it’s ok she took the bucks because Murray never does anything!! Hysterical! But sadly true.

MTR is pissing himself. Shit is really hitting the fan for the GOP. As for Murray, what vote did Abramoff buy with that money? None. So there is no crime.

Comment by Belltowner— 1/4/06 @ 6:51 pm

Belltower you cannot be that innocent that you cannot buy anything from underneath the table and all parties are caught doing it. There is a long list of people who received money from this chap call Abramoff. There is no crime donating money for campaign funds, but there is expectation for receiving this donation. Behind the back doors, what did these politicians commit themselves for these funds? The American Indians payed a lot of money and did not receive what they wanted for this large sum of money. Wait more is to come and some politicians will be burnt for what they did or did not do for the money.

That psychotic murder made the point in his own twisted mind that he was getting the leftists. I lived just down the block from the murdered family and remember it well. There was a clear nexus between right wing rhetorical excess, even if it was decades earlier. Those were Eastern Washington Republicans who slurred the father and planted the seed in the mind of the murderer. Sorry if you don’t like the facts as they are.

Comment by Donnageddon— 1/4/06 @ 8:59 pm Donnageddon you need to lighten up, you are not refelecting on your better side. Show me a better side of youself. Who is the real deamon here Mark or yourself?

There is no crime donating money for campaign funds, but there is expectation for receiving this donation. Behind the back doors, what did these politicians commit themselves for these funds?

Again, Klake, you are trying to tar every politician who ever accepted a campaing donation with the crimes the Republican Lobbyist JA performed with his Republican lackeys.

Every lobbyist spreads the wealth around, it is the way these transactions are performed. But it is the Republican Pols who take the money/relative and staffer jobs, and return favors in return that have committed the crimes.

The Republican criminals that were part of the “Bush Pioneer” Abramoff’s scheme that will be doing the frog march. Not the pols who accepted contributions.

You can keep trying to muddy the waters all you want, but in the end it is the guilty who will be *poof* ending their political carears.

Hell, I have given a lot of pols contributions. Don’t make me, or the pols criminals. And they never gave a relative of mine a job, or loaded my case into the congressional record.

Do some research before you come in here with some lame RNC talking points.

Belltowner– I actually agree with you that it is up to any prosecutor to prove that someone actually had their vote bought and paid for. There is a high burden of proof on any alleged criminal activity. The KLOWNS are defending Murray who took a whole bunch of money from Black Jack’s clients that there was no harm proved. What’s good for the KLOWN is good for all….right???

Name ONE idea that came out of her fertile mind that she executed to completion as FUWAâ€™s senior senator. Something where she saw a problem, came up with an innovative solution, sold it to the senate, and got it passed.

Just one.

Iâ€™m waiting.

Oh, and be very careful of rakes on the groundâ€¦

Now that we all know your diaper is full of shit, care to elaborate on your embarrassing mistake. And expnad on your theory that vaginas cause women to be stupid?

“If there’s no media bias in Seattle, why is it we aren’t reading in the times and pi about Senator Dimbulb getting more tainted Abramoff dollars that all other Washington state politicians COMBINED??????”

Let me take a stab at this. Because it isn’t true???

Murray chaired the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. Every cent that went through that committee had her name on the letterhead — but that doesn’t mean SHE got it.

Hell, I have given a lot of pols contributions. Don’t make me, or the pols criminals. And they never gave a relative of mine a job, or loaded my case into the congressional record. You have not make any contributions to Ron Sims or he would heap lot of love on you Donnageddon. Ask Dean Logan what he received for all his contributions.

â€˜â€™We were in error. Senator Murray was right,â€ said Senator Rick Santorum, Republican of Pennsylvania. â€˜â€™I am not happy that we were put in a position to vote against an amendment that we now find out was needed, but we got bad information.â€

Roger, it is bribery when someone accepts money on a quid pro quo basis, whatever the basis was or is. Congressional members can influence other things. Sen Murray brought home some bucks for the SAM sculpture park. She does sit on committees and she does have influence. She used to sit on a committee that controlled Indian Affairs. It is a very fine line and one that is blurred over whether money is just feel good or whether it’s to influence a vote or an action on something. That is what lobbyist do. Millions are spent in Olympia every year and good old Sam Hunt wanted to raise the monetary limit last session. He complained that he should be able to accept Mariner’s tickets and a dinner from lobbyist vying for his attention.

The Goldmark family was murdered a right wing extremist who (erroneously) thought they were (a) Jewish and (b) communists. Chuck and Annie Goldmark (and their two sons) were neither Jewish nor communists. Chuck’s mother briefly joined the U.S. communist party back in the ’30s, when a number of American intellectuals did — in the context of the Great Depression, and the rise of fascism in Europen, and before anybody knew about Stalin’s horrific purges.

How the hell do you bribe congressmen and senators from a party that isn’t in a position to pass any legislation?

Comment by Roger Rabbit— 1/4/06 @ 10:00 pm Roger a prostitute will do anything for money. Webster’s “to sell (oneself, one’s talents, etc.)for base purposes.” That is the answer to your question Roger. This goes with anyone and it is not particular to anyone party.

It’s not so strange that progressive thinkers flirted with alternatives to capitalism at a time when 25% of America’s workers were unemployed and GNP had fallen by two-thirds. They did not have the advantage of the clarity that hindsight provides — that communism is a brutal, corrupt, economically inefficient, and unworkable system.

“David Rice, a former steel worker from Colorado, joined an extremist group in Washington called the Duck Club. … The group convinced Rice that Charles Goldmark was Jewish and a Communist. …

“Rice went to the Goldmark home and handcuffed Charles, his wife Annie, 12-year-old Derek, and 10-year-old Colin. He attacked all four with a knife, killing Annie and Colin. Charles died at the hospital and Derek lingered for 37 days before succumbing.”

The guy who blew up people with letters was described as left-wing. I don’t attribute his sickness to all of you here. So, why do you all take a very sick whacko and decide he represents the entire right? Sorry, your rhetorical skills are sadly lacking.

Of course, lobbyists are buying influence. Tribal money influenced Murray. Doesn’t mean it was a bribe. Now, what Ney and Conrad did seems to have been textbook corruption. Same with Cunningham. I bet if you look at the politics in Nevada, you will find that Reid is dirtier than them all. He doesn’t stop at bribes, he also goes in for nepotism, strong-arming opponents, and spreading around whatever money he can find to keep himself in office. His antics make Delay look like an amateur.

Comment by Donnageddon— 1/4/06 @ 10:02 pm Dannageddon I do see Marks better side and I’m really trying to see what you can do for mankind. Try looking at Mark as your best friend and to gain his acceptance treat him with some respect. You don’t have to give up your values or principles to do this kind deed. Please don’t act gay in the process you might make someone gagged. Smile it will help.

I will not weep for anyone who is convicted of a crime. I don’t care what their religion is, their sexual preference is, their sex is, their political party affliation, or whether they are poor, new money, or old money. If they commit the crime, they can do the time. I also don’t care if they’ve rehabilitated themselves either, if they were awarded the death penalty for their crimes, I want to see it carried though. Even if they write a hundred children’s books.

Too bad we have a justice system where money buys freedom. The rich and powerful rarely do prison time and never get executed in this country, dearie. To qualify for Death Row, you must be poor — and preferably black.

Yeah, I don’t want to get into a death penalty debate, I do support the death penalty. There are some who are in Prison for life and many times over that are wasting oxygen, it always seems like those who deserve it the most never seem to get the justice they so richly deserve.

Hmmmm … here is an interesting question … is righton a nazi with a lower case “n” or a capital “N”? Let’s analyze this intriguing problem. Essentially, the issue is whether righton is a generic nazi, or a “Nazi” nazi, which implies loyalty to a specific, mostly defunct, political movement. This would seem to be a question of whether righton admires Adolf Hitler, in which case he is a Nazi, or admires Hitler surrogates, e.g. Richard Butler, in which case he could argue that he’s a nazi instead of a Nazi. Frankly, I don’t understand why he admires these guys, since they’re both dead. I mean, what point is there in admiring dead guys? But I digress. Returning to the topic, what if righton admires both Hitler and surrogates like Butler? That is quite a dilemma, because how can you spell “nazi” (or “Nazi”) with a lower case “n” and a capital “N” at the same time? Hmmmm … I have an idea … let’s try this:

Well, I do have problems with the inequity in the justice system. Our society creates many of the problems and the criminals. To eliminate the problems you would have to give up ‘freedoms’ that most of Americans don’t want to give up.

I agree with you on that one. There is too many blacks on death row and too many in prison too!

In the Army, they track statistics on UCMJ in units, and you can generally tell where the racial discrimination is by looking at those stats…………

Comment by sgmmac— 1/4/06 @ 10:38 pm

The problem is that they have to many cops in their neighborhood looking for trouble. The bad thing is they don’t disappoint the cops and bring the man down themselves. Clean up their acts and the Police will go else where for tolls. The layers need money and their neighborhood is a gold mine. I learned that from a Black Panther in Portland. If you are going to commit a crime do it someone’s else backyard, not your own. The Police will troll their own back yards then. Try Green Lake they like all the attention. Right Roger Rabbit?

Every human society has crime. Some South Seas Islands culture had an interesting solution. They had no laws, prosecutors, courts, or jails. They did, however, practice human sacrifice. Once a year, a member of the tribe was selected by popular referendum for sacrifice to appease the gods. Guess who got selected — tribal members who made themselves unpopular by bad behavior, that’s who. In our tradition, if you’ve been bad in the preceding year, you get a lump of coal in your Winter Solstice stocking. In their tradition, if you didn’t pay your parking tickets, you could end up in the communal stew pot.

Many countries have more effective police enforcement than the US’s…….. In Germany, you do NOT argue or mess around with their Polizi. When you neighbor calls them at 1am because your music is too loud, they show up at your door with ouzi’s and you don’t argue. You will get beaten and thrown in the slammer for it. Several countries have the death penalty for drug smuggeling. In Singapore, they use canes to beat you with. In Saudi, they chop off body parts in a public square!

I have a friend whose dad was a small town cop. Every Saturday night, the same guy went to a bar, got drunk, then went home and beat up his wife. They got tired of arresting him for domestic violence, so one Saturday night, instead of taking him to jail they took him out to the woods, and that was the last time he beat his wife. He went straight after he got out of the hospital.

Comment by Donnageddon— 1/4/06 @ 11:09 pm Donnageddon don’t let people push you out of you good emotional state of mind. That is where you perform at you best, and that is where everyone likes to see you. Good night Folks it’s been Fun.

I’m not proposing that kind of justice system here, but if the consequences of your actions are scary enough, you may not think about doing the crime. Most of us are human and we will do what we think we can get away with. The best defense against a bully is to kick their ass the first time they try to get over on you.

I saw on TV that the U.S. hockey team was booed by a Canadian audience. Was it because of politics? Trade disputes? Because a U.S. player put a dirty hit on a Canadian player a few days ago? Who knows.

It sure is unfair to the U.S. players (with one exception), who after all, are just 18 and 19 year old kids playing their sport. They know how to stuff a puck into a net, but probably don’t know much about politics, or trade, or all that other stuff.

If it’s wholly or partly due to politics, I put the blame squarely on right wingers, who whipped up a fantastic amount of anti-Canadian hate in this country because the Canadians refused to kiss Bush’s ass or support his Iraq military adventure. What comes around, comes around, Bubba — if you tell someone you hate them, they just might turn around and hate you.

Why do right wingers hate America? Why do right wingers hate the Constitution? Why do right wingers hate freedom? Why do right wingers hate peace? Why do right wingers hate life? Why do right wingers hate our troops? Why do right wingers hate their mothers? Why do right wingers hate Jesus? Why do right wingers hate themselves?

I can understand why they hate Roger Rabbit, even though I don’t hate them. I just feel sorry for these pathetic America-hating and self-hating losers. They are all going to Hell as punishment for their evil and selfish lives. It’s a horrible thing to be a Republican … I couldn’t live with myself if I were a Republican … if I were a Republican, I would have to dash out into Aurora Avenue and commit SUV-assisted bunnycide!

Mark the Redneck will show up, proclaim his love of workers and the labor movement, and pretty soon he’ll be running the factory, skimming the profits, and making the workers work 18-hour days for $1.50 a day.

sgmmac@99: Your point was stated as such weeks ago when Tookie was being evaluated for a stay or getting his final meal. You have to forgive Donnastuckassageddon because he has comprehension and retention issues. He is still stuckonstupid since Lt. Gen Honore said that to a reporter repeating the same question the General answered a minute before! You post in 99 was succinct and clear. Unfortunately, he needs remedial assistance and follow-up posts for clarification!

Check the the Center for Responsive Politics database of campaign contributions. There is NOT ONE contribution of his $204,253 in campaign contributions from Jack Abramoff OR his family to any Democrats or Democratic leadership political action committees.

Get it? Jack Ambramoff is a Republican through and through, and he represents REPUBLICAN interests.

What I am hearing is purposeful obfuscation of this central and searing truth: that while Democrats have received contributions from Abramoff’s lobbying groups and his clients,there is a big difference between accepting contributions from groups linked to Abramoff, which is legal and proper for either side, and taking contributions in exchange for official actions, which is illegal, and which is at the heart of the ongoing investigations.

Those of you alleging wrongdoing on the part of anyone (R or D) who received contribution from Abramoff client groups might point to evidence of same. Don’t have any? I didn’t think so. Don’t worry, plenty is coming out pretty soon, and it looks bad for the Rs.

See any Democrats being investigated based on Abramoff’s testimony? Scanlon’s? Kidan’s? Ummmm, nope.

Mark the Redneck (aka Mr. Cynical) first asks us to name a “single thing” Patty Murray has done – and quite adeptly several people post proof of her recent leadership on Veterans issues, with a couple quotes from GOP Senators acknowledging her work and leadership. Yet, this pretty simple example to MTR’s challenge doesn’t even register:

-And I’m still waiting for even a single example of Dimbulb’s leadership. Whatever the thing above is about redoing something that somebody else did… is that the best you can do? –

Now, if this isn’t a typical troll tactic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll I don’t know what is. MTR likely doesn’t even believe half the crap he doles out. What we’re witnessing is less MTR’s political beliefs, and more one person’s disturbied, anti-social behavior which tends to flourish on anonymous comment boards. Could you imagine Mark’s mental circus getting him very far in real life? There’s a reason he never ventures into the real world, where his face couldn’t be hidden and separated from his twisted world view.

At least HA provides a good outlet for malajusted trolls like MTR/Cynical so they don’t end up in the criminal justice or mental health systems, at great cost to us taxpayers.

Everybody make sure to thank Stefan’s pal http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/003447.html , and fellow Movement Jihadist, Daniel Lapin, for initially introducing Jumpin’ Jack Abrahamoff to Tom Delay. Without this insidious local and national network of right wing ideologue money grubbers, we may not be able to look forward to the inevitable collapse of the far right in coming months. Heck, I don’t care if a moderate of the Republican Party retains control of the Congress – I just want to see Stefan’s Anarchist-Elitist-Talibangelist Alliance fall…and fall HARD.

Abramoff’s campaign contributions are not the point, and netiher are the contributions of the groups who hired him. Often those groups didn’t even know where the money was going.

The point, really, is twofold: 1. A quid pro quo of legislative favors in return for campaing contributions AND other sorts of grease such as skybox attendance, trips abroad paid for (think Tom DeLay and Scotland, Russia, and the Marianas. These “favors” are why Congressman Ney is going down, for example. And wait ’til Ronnie Earl gets the financial records HE supoenaed, Tom.

2. More generally, boatloads of money being funneled around through fron organizations, with Abramoff managing the whole dirty slush fund that brought the GOP to power, enforced its really remarkable party unity, and sustains them in the face of their increasingly unpopular positions.

Example of #2, the Capital Athletic Foundation is a charity founded by and directed by Jack and Pam Abramoff to, their literature says, channel donations to what it describes as “needy and deserving” sportsmanship programs. They’ve raised $6 million, of which $4 million supposedly went to found a Jewish school founded in Columbia (founded by Jack Abramoff). The Eshkol Academy operated for two years and schooled two of his sons before closing this spring with unpaid bills, faculty members said. Did that take $4 million? We’ll wait until Jack sings and the prosecutors finish looking into its finances. But it ain’t no sportsmanship program.

But the Capital Athletic Foundation did more. It paid $150K to fly two fellow lobbyists, the Republican chairman of the House Administration Committee (Bob Ney) and a senior official at the General Services Administration (David Safavian, already indicted) to Scotland for a golf trip aboard a private jet.

You’re saying that Jack Abramoff personally donated those amounts to those persons and entities? Because if that’s what you’re saying, you’re wrong. See my post @ 174 for a link that will show you the neither he nor his family has EVER donated to a Domcrat or Demcratic committee.

In what time frame were these donations made?

What reference can you cite for us to check the accuracy of your claims? All I see is a bald assertion of names and numbers.

So if these donations were made by organizations who happened to hire Arbramoff as an agent, how do you know that they were made to exact a quid pro quo of some sort of action. What basis do you have to believe this, if any? None, I imagine. Campaign donations are legal and ethical and are in fact how our system works. What is illegal is if they are made as an exchange of money for leglslative or other favorable action, such as when Abramoff nearly $500,000 in donations from some of his clients to Italia Federici, President of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, in return for in return for access to at least two of her close friends, Interior Secretary Gail Norton and Deputy Secretary J. Steven Griles. Now that’s pay for play! The amounts you list are chicken feed compared to what Abramoff has been spreading around elsewhere, off the “campaign contribution” books.

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