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Re: Ending Rape On Campus

Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan

That's pretty much where I'm coming from -- I think it's appropriate to ask questions, I don't think it's appropriate to dismiss her out of hand. Additionally, I'm seeing responses from a number of posters who don't know a whole lot about either rape or domestic abuse.

Yup. I don't doubt she may well have been a victim of domestic abuse to some degree. Possibly rape, even. I know domestic abuse from the inside, as I was a victim of it, and I know how it can go on for some time.

It's just that available data seems contradictory on a claim of rape, if the article represents her actual testimony accurately. Rape in the absence of physical force or threat....

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Re: Ending Rape On Campus

Originally Posted by polgara

Am I to understand that this woman was in a voluntary relationship for three years with this man, but suddenly he has raped her? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Why was this particular incident different from the others? Something else happened...perhaps he indicated he was going to end the relationship, and she was angry, and decided to get even, or she's just throwing out words that make her feel better about herself. I'm sorry, but if she wasn't threatened or coerced, it can hardly be called rape. And I am a woman.

Greetings, Phs251.

She reported it to the campus police a month after the relationship had ended apparently.

Re: Ending Rape On Campus

Originally Posted by ChrisL

She reported it to the campus police a month after the relationship had ended apparently.

Yeah. I mean, he may well have been a douchebag to her. Maybe didn't treat her very well. Maybe he was pushy about sex, and talked her into stuff she didn't really want to do. Maybe she thinks that is rape... to my knowledge it is not, unless she gave him a flat out NO and he refused to stop. Even then, she could walk away if he never "pinned her down" or otherwise forced her, as she seems to have stated.

But as has been noted, available info is very limited.

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Re: Ending Rape On Campus

Originally Posted by Goshin

Yup. I don't doubt she may well have been a victim of domestic abuse to some degree. Possibly rape, even. I know domestic abuse from the inside, as I was a victim of it, and I know how it can go on for some time.

It's just that available data seems contradictory on a claim of rape, if the article represents her actual testimony accurately. Rape in the absence of physical force or threat....

Like I said earlier, some women may have a more extreme view of what constitutes rape, but that doesn't mean it meets the standards of what would be considered to be a rape according to the law.

Re: Ending Rape On Campus

Originally Posted by Goshin

Yeah. I mean, he may well have been a douchebag to her. Maybe didn't treat her very well. Maybe he was pushy about sex, and talked her into stuff she didn't really want to do. Maybe she thinks that is rape... to my knowledge it is not, unless she gave him a flat out NO and he refused to stop. Even then, she could walk away if he never "pinned her down" or otherwise forced her, as she seems to have stated.

But as has been noted, available info is very limited.

Exactly my problem. She says that there was never any force involved, and I would consider that force. I don't think it's so outrageous for us to be questioning this story the way it was presented.

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I sincerely hope that your friends, should they ever become a victim of crime, NEVER come to you for consolation. I can't imagine what this marked lack of empathy would do to them.

A ridiculous accusation. I am fair. I have several friends who have been victims of this very crime. In fact...my childhood best friend...someone I considered a brother...got into drugs, stalked, beat, raped, and attempted to kill his ex wife. I would personally put a bullet in him if I saw him.

You twist and distort my words, and you choose not to listen. You choose not to understand my differentiation between listening to someone who claims to be a crime victim vs. how I would act as a juror in that very same crime.

You didn't say you would listen to them. You said that you would believe them. And you got upset at people for questioning the validity of a questionable accusation.

This isn't about a court of law convicting someone of rape. This is about a defamation of character...by not only an individual, but a global news network. There was no trial. And as I stated in another post...within 30 seconds I found Joanna Espinosa's Facebook. How hard do you think it would be to find his name? So now...in the court of public opinion...he is guilty.