As a Leaf's fan I said a few days ago that Matthews just doesn't look happy or comfortable in Toronto. It just might be his demeanor but to me he doesn't look like a guy who fits the City. He might grow into it but I don't think he plays his career there.

Agree. So is Quenneville. Put either coach on an average team and see how they do without players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Kane, Keith, and Toews in their prime and see how they do. During their recent dynasty the Blackhawks would have won three cups with Mike Yeo Yeo behind the bench.

Babcock has been a good coach for the Maple Leafs if we look at the track record, but their success started around the same time that the Big 3's success started...so who knows if it's attributed to the coach? tough to tell, Toronto's situation is very interesting.

Agree. So is Quenneville. Put either coach on an average team and see how they do without players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Kane, Keith, and Toews in their prime and see how they do. During their recent dynasty the Blackhawks would have won three cups with Mike Yeo Yeo behind the bench.

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You guys can't be serious. It is harder in hell to win the SC, especially in this cap era. I would take those two behind our bench any day of the week over RT and DT.

Babcock has been a good coach for the Maple Leafs if we look at the track record, but their success started around the same time that the Big 3's success started...so who knows if it's attributed to the coach? tough to tell, Toronto's situation is very interesting.

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Coaches coach and players play. You need the horses to win in this league. That is why rebuilding is so painful.

You guys can't be serious. It is harder in hell to win the SC, especially in this cap era. I would take those two behind our bench any day of the week over RT and DT.

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I agree. A Stanley cup champion needs all the pieces in place and I think Babcock and Quennville are both fine coaches. I also agree I'd take either over RT, but you can't change my mind that an average NHL coach behind the recent Blackhawks bench would have still been able to win those three cups.

I look at Babcock's resume and I'm not all that impressed. He had a stacked Detroit team and won 1 Stanley Cup. And the team that won had I believe 7 future HHOFs. He also took a 58 (!) win team in Detroit and led them to a first round loss. In another season, despite a superior team, he needed 7 games to beat the Bryzgalov-era Coyotes. He has 1 playoff series win in the last 7 years.

Considering some of the teams he had in Detroit, it's kind of incredible he only has ~50 career wins more than, as you mention, Tippett, particularly considering the Coyotes sucked for Tippett's last five years (I'm not counting Babcock's wins this season as Tipp was inactive).

I think Babcock is overrated. I think he's a good coach. But I don't think he's head and shoulders above guys like Q, Trotz, even someone like Sutter. If I could trade Tocchet for any coach in the NHL right now I don't think my pick would be Babcock.

I'm also not including Babcock's Team Canada resume as is that really all that difficult? If he was coaching Team Latvia, that's a different story.

The Leafs have been in on a few trades that had veteran players with No Trade Clauses that have the player turn down the trade, Filppula was one in particular that said he didn't want to play for Babcock again. He is a good coach but wears on his players. And the Leafs were just put coached in this year' playoffs by Boston after it happening with Washington last year. He does not switch on the fly when needed good enough.