Vincent Meylan's book Boucheron, Archives secrètes (2009) mentions that, in 1911, Mrs Greville had brought Boucheron her two emerald necklaces (the large and the small ones, according to Boucheron's ledgers) to have them turned into one single necklace. There is unfortunately no picture of the two dismantled necklaces or of the newly-created one.

As we know with the Greville Honeycomb tiara (frequently worn by the Queen Mother and now by the Duchess of Cornwall), Mrs Greville frequently had her jewels transformed to follow the latest fashion, so we can not be absolutely sure that the necklace created by Boucheron in 1911 is the Greville emerald necklace as we know it today.

There was at one point a bandeau with a central 93 carat emerald too but Mrs Greville deserted from Boucheron to Cartier circa 1932 and its unknown what alterations or indeed total remodelling make have then taken place

--Previous Message-- : Thank you Arthur. Another poster contacted me : privately with the same information. My : sincere thanks to both posters. : : The reason why I was interested is that, as : late as 29 May 1938, Mrs Greville was : reported to have worn her "lesser" : emerald necklace to a debutante's dinner and : ball. : : Sunday Times 29 May 1938. : : (The rest of the item, published at the top : of the next column in the paper) said : "for she has two." : : I know that Mrs Greville had Cartier remodel : her diamond festoon necklace in May 1938 : (Roberts page 250) so it is possible that : Mrs Greville had her emeralds remodeled : after 1911. : : But, I wonder. Throughout the years the : press carried reports of Mrs Greville : wearing 2 emerald necklaces. : : Sunday Times 2 December 1934 reception on : the eve of the wedding of Princess Marina : and the Duke of Kent. : : : : The report above is not in my opinion 100% : clear about the composition of the : "long chain" but I think it is : meant to be composed of emeralds and : diamonds. : : Another report in the Daily Telegraph 29 : November 1934 describing the same event : described Mrs Greville's jewels as : : : : which suggests to me that the chain : described in the first report did have : emeralds. : : The chain of emeralds again : : Sunday Telegraph 27 April 1923 for a ball : at Landsdown House following wedding of : QEQM. : : : Throughout the 1920s and 1930s there are : press reports referring to Mrs Greville's : emerald necklace as belonging to Empress : Josephine or simply to a magnificent emerald : necklace. : : It is the fact that after 1911 Mrs Greville : still had 2 emerald necklaces, one described : as a chain, which interests me as it is : possible that QEQM inherited more than one : necklace. : : I also wonder if the drop emerald earrings : and large diamond bracelet with emeralds : worn by QEQM might have been Greville : pieces. : :

The necklace was also reputed to have belonged to Marie Antoinette... another myth!

--Previous Message-- : : There was at one point a bandeau with a : central 93 carat emerald too but Mrs : Greville deserted from Boucheron to Cartier : circa 1932 and its unknown what alterations : or indeed total remodelling make have then : taken place : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you Arthur. Another poster contacted : me : privately with the same information. My : sincere thanks to both posters. : : The reason why I was interested is that, as : late as 29 May 1938, Mrs Greville was : reported to have worn her "lesser" : emerald necklace to a debutante's dinner and : ball. : : Sunday Times 29 May 1938. : : (The rest of the item, published at the top : of the next column in the paper) said : "for she has two." : : I know that Mrs Greville had Cartier remodel : her diamond festoon necklace in May 1938 : (Roberts page 250) so it is possible that : Mrs Greville had her emeralds remodeled : after 1911. : : But, I wonder. Throughout the years the : press carried reports of Mrs Greville : wearing 2 emerald necklaces. : : Sunday Times 2 December 1934 reception on : the eve of the wedding of Princess Marina : and the Duke of Kent. : : : : The report above is not in my opinion 100% : clear about the composition of the : "long chain" but I think it is : meant to be composed of emeralds and : diamonds. : : Another report in the Daily Telegraph 29 : November 1934 describing the same event : described Mrs Greville's jewels as : : : : which suggests to me that the chain : described in the first report did have : emeralds. : : The chain of emeralds again : : Sunday Telegraph 27 April 1923 for a ball : at Landsdown House following wedding of : QEQM. : : : Throughout the 1920s and 1930s there are : press reports referring to Mrs Greville's : emerald necklace as belonging to Empress : Josephine or simply to a magnificent emerald : necklace. : : It is the fact that after 1911 Mrs Greville : still had 2 emerald necklaces, one described : as a chain, which interests me as it is : possible that QEQM inherited more than one : necklace. : : I also wonder if the drop emerald earrings : and large diamond bracelet with emeralds : worn by QEQM might have been Greville : pieces. : : : :

Obviously she had an emerald and diamond tiara at the end of her life and which might been given to QEQM..

--Previous Message-- : The necklace was also reputed to have belonged : to Marie Antoinette... another myth! : : --Previous Message-- : : There was at one point a bandeau with a : central 93 carat emerald too but Mrs : Greville deserted from Boucheron to Cartier : circa 1932 and its unknown what alterations : or indeed total remodelling make have then : taken place : : --Previous Message-- : Thank you Arthur. Another poster contacted : me : privately with the same information. My : sincere thanks to both posters. : : The reason why I was interested is that, as : late as 29 May 1938, Mrs Greville was : reported to have worn her "lesser" : emerald necklace to a debutante's dinner and : ball. : : Sunday Times 29 May 1938. : : (The rest of the item, published at the top : of the next column in the paper) said : "for she has two." : : I know that Mrs Greville had Cartier remodel : her diamond festoon necklace in May 1938 : (Roberts page 250) so it is possible that : Mrs Greville had her emeralds remodeled : after 1911. : : But, I wonder. Throughout the years the : press carried reports of Mrs Greville : wearing 2 emerald necklaces. : : Sunday Times 2 December 1934 reception on : the eve of the wedding of Princess Marina : and the Duke of Kent. : : : : The report above is not in my opinion 100% : clear about the composition of the : "long chain" but I think it is : meant to be composed of emeralds and : diamonds. : : Another report in the Daily Telegraph 29 : November 1934 describing the same event : described Mrs Greville's jewels as : : : : which suggests to me that the chain : described in the first report did have : emeralds. : : The chain of emeralds again : : Sunday Telegraph 27 April 1923 for a ball : at Landsdown House following wedding of : QEQM. : : : Throughout the 1920s and 1930s there are : press reports referring to Mrs Greville's : emerald necklace as belonging to Empress : Josephine or simply to a magnificent emerald : necklace. : : It is the fact that after 1911 Mrs Greville : still had 2 emerald necklaces, one described : as a chain, which interests me as it is : possible that QEQM inherited more than one : necklace. : : I also wonder if the drop emerald earrings : and large diamond bracelet with emeralds : worn by QEQM might have been Greville : pieces. : : : : : :

--Previous Message-- : Thank you Arthur. Another poster contacted me : privately with the same information. My : sincere thanks to both posters. : : The reason why I was interested is that, as : late as 29 May 1938, Mrs Greville was : reported to have worn her "lesser" : emerald necklace to a debutante's dinner and : ball. : : Sunday Times 29 May 1938. : : (The rest of the item, published at the top : of the next column in the paper) said : "for she has two." : : I know that Mrs Greville had Cartier remodel : her diamond festoon necklace in May 1938 : (Roberts page 250) so it is possible that : Mrs Greville had her emeralds remodeled : after 1911. : : But, I wonder. Throughout the years the : press carried reports of Mrs Greville : wearing 2 emerald necklaces. : : Sunday Times 2 December 1934 reception on : the eve of the wedding of Princess Marina : and the Duke of Kent. : : : : The report above is not in my opinion 100% : clear about the composition of the : "long chain" but I think it is : meant to be composed of emeralds and : diamonds. : : Another report in the Daily Telegraph 29 : November 1934 describing the same event : described Mrs Greville's jewels as : : : : which suggests to me that the chain : described in the first report did have : emeralds. : : The chain of emeralds again : : Sunday Telegraph 27 April 1923 for a ball : at Landsdown House following wedding of : QEQM. : : : Throughout the 1920s and 1930s there are : press reports referring to Mrs Greville's : emerald necklace as belonging to Empress : Josephine or simply to a magnificent emerald : necklace. : : It is the fact that after 1911 Mrs Greville : still had 2 emerald necklaces, one described : as a chain, which interests me as it is : possible that QEQM inherited more than one : necklace. : : I also wonder if the drop emerald earrings : and large diamond bracelet with emeralds : worn by QEQM might have been Greville : pieces. : :

Further to your post below and different articles I have read Mrs Greville had the following tiaras during her life :

- a wide diamond bandeau to wear on the head (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans) ; - a diamond tiara from her father (diamond collet) as a wedding gift (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans); - an emerald bandeau tiara with a central 93.7 carat emerald from Boucheron ; - The Greville tiara worn by QEQM ( We have to bear in mind that a knot-pattern tiara had been dismantled in 1901, with the stones being used to create a new diadem (photo from Boucheron by Vincent Meylan), which later was dismantled, with the stones being used in this current honeycomb tiara. - She also had a tiara made by Boucheron in 1910 'Elle commanda un bandeau beaucoup plus léger dont les motifs de feuillages sont sertis de 293 diamonds).

As the Queen jewels vault says : "Mrs. Greville's ambition to be the top hostess in society meant she needed not only the finest food for her guests and the finest surroundings in which to host them, but also the finest jewels to wear while dazzling in her hostess duties. In her later years, Margaret Greville wasn’t known for her beauty and she was no fashion model, but she was hard to beat when she decked herself out in her best gems. The considerable fortune left to her by her father gave her the resources to assemble a noteworthy collection, and her competitive side assured that she had only the best."

Therefore, it is obvious that further to her own personality that she had at the end of her life several tiaras in possession, she would have never accepted to wear only one tiara during parties !

Further to the small information we can have we can speculate/suppose that Mrs. Greville had given several tiaras to QEQM including the Greville and the emerald ones.

I also think that she had given on least an other diamond tiara which might be the small one from Boucheron.

Do you think this tiara with "motifs de feuillages" could the one worn by Princess Ann :

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Last but not least, it is evident that QEQM's jewels vault might be far more important that we can imagine, tiaras dusting in the vault waiting for being worn one day !

We have also to beard in mind that she also had a small lozenge tiara made by Cartier in 1953 with loose diamonds and never seen in public !

Franck

--Previous Message-- : : According to the Daily Telegraph in : January 1943 amongst Mrs Greville's jewels : were -- : : : : I presume that the reporter did not have : access to the inventory of Mrs Greville's : jewels but was writing based on knowledge of : what Mrs Greville wore to society functions : before WWII. :

Re:Some more press clues - list of tiaras owned by Mrs. Greville and a question

That is an intriguing question Franck. As far as I know no one has ever traced the provenance of the tiara Princess Anne wore for that photo session. I'll do a separate post about Mrs Greville's wedding gifts to avoid confusion.

Thank you for doing the list on the diamond tiaras. It will help me sort some of the information I have on Mrs Greville's diamonds.

--Previous Message-- : Further to your post below and different : articles I have read Mrs Greville had the : following tiaras during her life : : : - a wide diamond bandeau to wear on the head : given (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans) ; : - a diamond tiara from her father as a : wedding gift (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans); : - an emerald bandeau tiara with a central : 93.7 carat emerald from Boucheron ; : - The Greville tiara worn by QEQM ( We have : to bear in mind that a knot-pattern tiara : had been dismantled in 1901, with the stones : being used to create a new diadem (photo : from Boucheron by Vincent Meylan), which : later was dismantled, with the stones being : used in this current honeycomb tiara. : - She also had a tiara made by Boucheron in : 1910 'Elle commanda un bandeau beaucoup plus : léger dont les motifs de feuillages sont : sertis de 293 diamonds). : : As the Queen jewels vault says : "Mrs. : Greville's ambition to be the top hostess in : society meant she needed not only the finest : food for her guests and the finest : surroundings in which to host them, but also : the finest jewels to wear while dazzling in : her hostess duties. In her later years, : Margaret Greville wasn’t known for her : beauty and she was no fashion model, but she : was hard to beat when she decked herself out : in her best gems. The considerable fortune : left to her by her father gave her the : resources to assemble a noteworthy : collection, and her competitive side assured : that she had only the best." : : Therefore, it is obvious that further to her : own personality that she had at the end of : her life several tiaras in possession, she : would have never accepted to wear only one : tiara during parties ! : : Further to the small information we can have : we can speculate/suppose that Mrs. Greville : had given several tiaras to QEQM including : the Greville and the emerald ones. : : I also think that she had given on least an : other diamond tiara which might be the small : one from Boucheron. : : Do you think this tiara with "motifs de : feuillages" could the one worn by : Princess Ann : : : [img] [/img] : : Last but not least, it is evident that : QEQM's jewels vault might be far more : important that we can imagine, tiaras : dusting in the vault waiting for being worn : one day ! : : We have also to beard in mind that she also : had a small lozenge tiara made by Cartier in : 1953 with loose diamonds and never seen in : public ! : : Franck : : : --Previous Message-- : : According to the Daily Telegraph in : January 1943 amongst Mrs Greville's jewels : were -- : : : : I presume that the reporter did not have : access to the inventory of Mrs Greville's : jewels but was writing based on knowledge of : what Mrs Greville wore to society functions : before WWII. : : : : :

All this talk about Mrs. Greville's jewels has made me wonder..... if all this jewelry has been used by QEQM and her family and many pieces still lie in storage somewhere, why wasn't Diana given any upon her marriage?

--Previous Message-- : It is very difficult to identify Mrs : Greville's jewels from the press : descriptions, although in some cases it does : seem clear which jewels were worn. : : For example the reference to her 5 row : diamond necklace in 1938 does suggest it was : the necklace later worn by QEQM. : : For the Derby Day Ball wearing her newly : enlarged and remodeled necklace : : : : June 1906 for a ball. This might refer to : the tiara with the fan motiffs which was : dismantled to make the Boucheron tiara which : became a favourite of QEQM. : : : : December 1930 - several diamond necklaces. I : find the date important here as it is after : Mrs Greville had the first 2 strands of the : diamond necklace made and which was later : worn by QEQM. : : : : Some descriptions refer only to diamonds but : the one below introduces the probability : that QEQM inherited some diamond bracelets. : : 1932 : : : : One description intrigued me. It is possible : that it may refer to the mystery tiara worn : by Princess Anne some years ago - but that : is pure speculation on my part. : : July 1922 : : : : : : :

Further to the list I have made, Mrs. Greville might have had 5 tiaras in her possession !

I am also interested by the large diamond bandeau owned by Mrs. Greville.

Can it be the double greek key tiara worn once by Princess Ann ?

Can you therefore find more information concerning the diamond tiaras worn by Mrs. Greville ?

Franck

--Previous Message-- : That is an intriguing question Franck. As far : as I know no one has ever traced the : provenance of the tiara Princess Anne wore : for that photo session. I'll do a separate : post about Mrs Greville's wedding gifts to : avoid confusion. : : Thank you for doing the list on the diamond : tiaras. It will help me sort some of the : information I have on Mrs Greville's : diamonds. : : --Previous Message-- : Further to your post below and different : articles I have read Mrs Greville had the : following tiaras during her life : : : - a wide diamond bandeau to wear on the head : given (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans) ; : - a diamond tiara from her father as a : wedding gift (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans); : - an emerald bandeau tiara with a central : 93.7 carat emerald from Boucheron ; : - The Greville tiara worn by QEQM ( We have : to bear in mind that a knot-pattern tiara : had been dismantled in 1901, with the stones : being used to create a new diadem (photo : from Boucheron by Vincent Meylan), which : later was dismantled, with the stones being : used in this current honeycomb tiara. : - She also had a tiara made by Boucheron in : 1910 'Elle commanda un bandeau beaucoup plus : léger dont les motifs de feuillages sont : sertis de 293 diamonds). : : As the Queen jewels vault says : "Mrs. : Greville's ambition to be the top hostess in : society meant she needed not only the finest : food for her guests and the finest : surroundings in which to host them, but also : the finest jewels to wear while dazzling in : her hostess duties. In her later years, : Margaret Greville wasn’t known for her : beauty and she was no fashion model, but she : was hard to beat when she decked herself out : in her best gems. The considerable fortune : left to her by her father gave her the : resources to assemble a noteworthy : collection, and her competitive side assured : that she had only the best." : : Therefore, it is obvious that further to her : own personality that she had at the end of : her life several tiaras in possession, she : would have never accepted to wear only one : tiara during parties ! : : Further to the small information we can have : we can speculate/suppose that Mrs. Greville : had given several tiaras to QEQM including : the Greville and the emerald ones. : : I also think that she had given on least an : other diamond tiara which might be the small : one from Boucheron. : : Do you think this tiara with "motifs de : feuillages" could the one worn by : Princess Ann : : : [img] [/img] : : Last but not least, it is evident that : QEQM's jewels vault might be far more : important that we can imagine, tiaras : dusting in the vault waiting for being worn : one day ! : : We have also to beard in mind that she also : had a small lozenge tiara made by Cartier in : 1953 with loose diamonds and never seen in : public ! : : Franck : : : --Previous Message-- : : According to the Daily Telegraph in : January 1943 amongst Mrs Greville's jewels : were -- : : : : I presume that the reporter did not have : access to the inventory of Mrs Greville's : jewels but was writing based on knowledge of : what Mrs Greville wore to society functions : before WWII. : : : : : : :

I have often wondered if the very large sapphire Dianna, Princess of Wales, wore initially as a brooch and then later as the centre of a pearl choker, was perhaps part of Mrs Greveille's jewels.

As far as I know, no one has traced that large sapphire to any royal lady prior to QEQM and Diana, Princess of Wales.

But, the current thoughts that QEQM purchased the sapphire at some stage, may be correct, I certainly don't know.

--Previous Message-- : All this talk about Mrs. Greville's jewels has : made me wonder..... if all this jewelry has : been used by QEQM and her family and many : pieces still lie in storage somewhere, why : wasn't Diana given any upon her marriage? : : --Previous Message-- : It is very difficult to identify Mrs : Greville's jewels from the press : descriptions, although in some cases it does : seem clear which jewels were worn. : : For example the reference to her 5 row : diamond necklace in 1938 does suggest it was : the necklace later worn by QEQM. : : For the Derby Day Ball wearing her newly : enlarged and remodeled necklace : : : : June 1906 for a ball. This might refer to : the tiara with the fan motiffs which was : dismantled to make the Boucheron tiara which : became a favourite of QEQM. : : : : December 1930 - several diamond necklaces. I : find the date important here as it is after : Mrs Greville had the first 2 strands of the : diamond necklace made and which was later : worn by QEQM. : : : : Some descriptions refer only to diamonds but : the one below introduces the probability : that QEQM inherited some diamond bracelets. : : 1932 : : : : One description intrigued me. It is possible : that it may refer to the mystery tiara worn : by Princess Anne some years ago - but that : is pure speculation on my part. : : July 1922 : : : : : : : :

Unfortunately, at present, I do not have any information which would help to positively identify Mrs Greville's diamond bandeau.

Nevertheless, the flamboyant tiara which was exhibited in 1961 at Goldsmiths Hall and which was identified as belonging to the Queen Mother is, in my opinion, likely to have originally belonged to Mrs Greville.

The tiara can be seen at 0.16 minutes

I suspect that it was this tiara which the press referred to as "wonderful" and "magnificent" rather than the one made famous by QEQM.

--Previous Message-- : Dear Beth, : : Further to the list I have made, Mrs. : Greville might have had 5 tiaras in her : possession ! : : I am also interested by the large diamond : bandeau owned by Mrs. Greville. : : Can it be the double greek key tiara worn : once by Princess Ann ? : : Can you therefore find more information : concerning the diamond tiaras worn by Mrs. : Greville ? : : Franck : : --Previous Message-- : That is an intriguing question Franck. As : far : as I know no one has ever traced the : provenance of the tiara Princess Anne wore : for that photo session. I'll do a separate : post about Mrs Greville's wedding gifts to : avoid confusion. : : Thank you for doing the list on the diamond : tiaras. It will help me sort some of the : information I have on Mrs Greville's : diamonds. : : --Previous Message-- : Further to your post below and different : articles I have read Mrs Greville had the : following tiaras during her life : : : - a wide diamond bandeau to wear on the head : given (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans) ; : - a diamond tiara from her father as a : wedding gift (Mrs Ronnie by Siân Evans); : - an emerald bandeau tiara with a central : 93.7 carat emerald from Boucheron ; : - The Greville tiara worn by QEQM ( We have : to bear in mind that a knot-pattern tiara : had been dismantled in 1901, with the stones : being used to create a new diadem (photo : from Boucheron by Vincent Meylan), which : later was dismantled, with the stones being : used in this current honeycomb tiara. : - She also had a tiara made by Boucheron in : 1910 'Elle commanda un bandeau beaucoup plus : léger dont les motifs de feuillages sont : sertis de 293 diamonds). : : As the Queen jewels vault says : "Mrs. : Greville's ambition to be the top hostess in : society meant she needed not only the finest : food for her guests and the finest : surroundings in which to host them, but also : the finest jewels to wear while dazzling in : her hostess duties. In her later years, : Margaret Greville wasn’t known for her : beauty and she was no fashion model, but she : was hard to beat when she decked herself out : in her best gems. The considerable fortune : left to her by her father gave her the : resources to assemble a noteworthy : collection, and her competitive side assured : that she had only the best." : : Therefore, it is obvious that further to her : own personality that she had at the end of : her life several tiaras in possession, she : would have never accepted to wear only one : tiara during parties ! : : Further to the small information we can have : we can speculate/suppose that Mrs. Greville : had given several tiaras to QEQM including : the Greville and the emerald ones. : : I also think that she had given on least an : other diamond tiara which might be the small : one from Boucheron. : : Do you think this tiara with "motifs de : feuillages" could the one worn by : Princess Ann : : : [img] [/img] : : Last but not least, it is evident that : QEQM's jewels vault might be far more : important that we can imagine, tiaras : dusting in the vault waiting for being worn : one day ! : : We have also to beard in mind that she also : had a small lozenge tiara made by Cartier in : 1953 with loose diamonds and never seen in : public ! : : Franck : : : --Previous Message-- : : According to the Daily Telegraph in : January 1943 amongst Mrs Greville's jewels : were -- : : : : I presume that the reporter did not have : access to the inventory of Mrs Greville's : jewels but was writing based on knowledge of : what Mrs Greville wore to society functions : before WWII. : : : : : : : : :

--Previous Message-- : That is a very interesting question, thank you : Andrew. : : I have often wondered if the very large : sapphire Dianna, Princess of Wales, wore : initially as a brooch and then later as the : centre of a pearl choker, was perhaps part : of Mrs Greveille's jewels. : : As far as I know, no one has traced that : large sapphire to any royal lady prior to : QEQM and Diana, Princess of Wales. : : But, the current thoughts that QEQM : purchased the sapphire at some stage, may be : correct, I certainly don't know. : : --Previous Message-- : All this talk about Mrs. Greville's jewels : has : made me wonder..... if all this jewelry has : been used by QEQM and her family and many : pieces still lie in storage somewhere, why : wasn't Diana given any upon her marriage? : : --Previous Message-- : It is very difficult to identify Mrs : Greville's jewels from the press : descriptions, although in some cases it does : seem clear which jewels were worn. : : For example the reference to her 5 row : diamond necklace in 1938 does suggest it was : the necklace later worn by QEQM. : : For the Derby Day Ball wearing her newly : enlarged and remodeled necklace : : : : June 1906 for a ball. This might refer to : the tiara with the fan motiffs which was : dismantled to make the Boucheron tiara which : became a favourite of QEQM. : : : : December 1930 - several diamond necklaces. I : find the date important here as it is after : Mrs Greville had the first 2 strands of the : diamond necklace made and which was later : worn by QEQM. : : : : Some descriptions refer only to diamonds but : the one below introduces the probability : that QEQM inherited some diamond bracelets. : : 1932 : : : : One description intrigued me. It is possible : that it may refer to the mystery tiara worn : by Princess Anne some years ago - but that : is pure speculation on my part. : : July 1922 : : : : : : : : : :