I know that the Red Line station at Park Street was known as Park Street Under,but was the Green Line station ever known as Park Street Over, or is this justa faded memory of a fantasy I had some 50 years ago?Lee Carlson

ebtmikado wrote:I know that the Red Line station at Park Street was known as Park Street Under,but was the Green Line station ever known as Park Street Over, or is this justa faded memory of a fantasy I had some 50 years ago?Lee Carlson

No. Any station with an "...Under" was suffixed in the "...Under" part only. It's self-explanatory that "not-Under" means "Over", so they didn't ever do redundant suffixing on the upper-level transfer. In some cases the Over and Under had entirely different station names.

The other "Under" station was South Station - See surviving tile sign on northbound platform - in this case the 'over' was an el stop about 90 feet up - not the railroad station. People used to add 'Under' to stations not deserving it. My aunt used to call Washington "Washington Street Under".

Gerry. STM/BSRA

The next stop is Washington. Change for Forest Hills Trains on the Winter St. Platform, and Everett Trains on the Summer St. Platform. This is an Ashmont train, change for Braintree at Columbia.

I'm trying to assume a complete history of Park Street from various sources on Wikipedia; here's what I've got so far. I have a pretty good understanding of how the station was modified up to about 1980, but I can't assemble a good timeline past then.

I have the following as current sources:*From the NETransit history, the Red Line platforms were extended northwest sometime between 1984 and 1987 to accommodate 6-car trains.* I have 1989 and 1990 maps in various formats (and most other maps after) explicitly designating it as handicapped accessible, and a 2000 map claiming accessibility for the Red Line level only.*As of this 2007 report, elevator #804 (street to Red Line fare lobby) dated to 1991, #812 (GL eastbound to tunnel) and #823 (GL westbound to tunnel) dated to 1993, and #808 (fare lobby to RL) dated to 1987. * Elevators #978 (surface to GL westbound fare area) and 979 (GL westbound to RL) opened on December 21, 2012, per MBTA press release.

So, it sounds like there were three separate renovations: the original four elevators and the RL platform extension in the 1980s, more modifications around 2003 (which i can't find any sources for), and the two additional elevators in 2012. Does anyone have further details / sources?

The opposite of under is "upper". Nowhere except regarding busways will you see this in print, but I've often heard and referred to several patforms as upper/under including Harvard and Porter as well as at stations like Park Street and Downtown Crossing.

The EGE wrote:So, it sounds like there were three separate renovations: the original four elevators and the RL platform extension in the 1980s, more modifications around 2003 (which i can't find any sources for), and the two additional elevators in 2012. Does anyone have further details / sources?

The "around 2003" mods you refer to were probably the project to raise platform heights by eight inches for compatibility with the retractable wheelchair ramp systems on Type 8s, although most of that work was done in 2002.

Another notable but unmentioned renovation at Park Street was the renovation of the two remaining headhouses (there were originally four) between 2000 and 2002.

Gerry6309 wrote:The Station above was STATE. There was no "UNDER" unless the Station names were the same.

IIRC: STATE was lower than Devonshire. The Orange Line passes under the Blue Line.

Wrong STATE, at Atlantic Av. STATE was on an el structure, ATLANTIC was deep underground. There were some nifty elevators which traveled diagonally between the two. Another quirk TWO STATE stations and two BOYLSTON stations. Independent in both cases.

Gerry. STM/BSRA

The next stop is Washington. Change for Forest Hills Trains on the Winter St. Platform, and Everett Trains on the Summer St. Platform. This is an Ashmont train, change for Braintree at Columbia.