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A Chick-fil-A poll

I guess it’s topical, but I feel a bit odd to even think about it: I’ve never eaten at a Chick-fil-A anyway, not before I learned they were a business run by a fundagelical homophobe, and especially not now.

God damn, chick-fil-a was my favorite fast food restaurant for the longest time, because they have/had the best damn chicken sandwiches. Also, they’re the easiest drive from my house and right along the way going to my college.

But, yeah, gonna have to say no on that poll. Fucking homophobes.

At least there’s a new chicken place here now that’s just as good and probably doesn’t fry its food in hatred.

I won’t eat there — but it’s a weak gesture, since I don’t think there are any Chick-Fil_A’s in Wisconsin.

This, though, made me laugh:

The Rev. Roger Oldham, spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention, said many Christians want to support businesses owned by fellow believers, and the loyalty intensifies “when Christians see a fellow Christian being persecuted.” “They will come out of the woodwork when a theologically based position is being politicized by individuals for their own purposes,” he said.

Say what? A “theologically-based position” is being politicized? Being politicized?? They try to turn their faith-based knowledge of how God wants things done into laws that have to be followed by everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof — and they think the GAY people are dragging theology into the political arena? This is “persecution?”

I’d heard of Chick-fil-A and also that their food was good, but before I came across any places where I could try for myself I heard that they were run by fundies that closed on Sundays and donated money to anti-gay groups.

So I was already boycotting when this new dust-up happened. Although to be totally fair? Fried chicken is just not my thing, at all, so it’s dubious that I ever would have gone there anyway. But I am *pointedly* not going since I heard of their discriminatory tendencies.

The problem with boycotting things like this is that it has no effect whatsoever for most people. It’s like that time I boycotted Gloria Jeans coffee for them funding exorcism camps – it amounted to little more than joining a facebook group.

From Forbes:
“Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts. Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn’t participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms.

The company might face more suits if it didn’t screen potential hires and operators so carefully. Many Chick-fil-A job candidates must endure a yearlong vetting process that includes dozens of interviews. Ty Yokum, the training manager for the chain, sat through 7 interviews and didn’t get the job. He reapplied in 1991 and was subjected to another 17 interviews–the final one lasted five hours–and was hired. Bureon Ledbetter, Chick-fil-A’s general counsel, says the company works hard to select people like Yokum, who “fit.” “We want operators who support the values here,” Ledbetter says.

I’d never heard of it until this all started, and for the longest time read the name as Chick [pause] Filla (rhyming with Godzilla) until I heard clips of people talking about it. Now I really want to try one of their sandwiches to see what everyone’s talking about boycotting. Since I’m unlikely to encounter one in the foreseeable future, my “boycott” is rather meaningless.

One Christian(a stupid juvenile) stepped on a piece of rock (Hindu icon – Lingam – Lord Shiva) and posted the pic on Facebook ( the photo is currently not there – so this might be fake/real blasphemy – I just don’t feel any difference).
And there is a hunt page up on Facebook, his house vandalized, family on run .

The people who spew out poison on the hunt page all seem very young/educated :( still filled with such pathetic zealot.
The page has been reported by many people, but still is up and running.

My question is –
What should be the atheist/skeptics’ concern in inter-religious malice, especially when it involves young minds?

I’ve only eaten at a Chick-fil-A once, when I was on vacation in Indianapolis. Forget their politics, the fact that I was served a ball of deep-fried MSG instead of chicken was enough to convince me to never bother with them again.

If I want to commit further liver-abuse on myself, I’ll go to Burgerville.

This must be the easiest boycott I’ve ever participated in. I’ve never eaten at Chick-fil-A before, there are no Chick-fil-As anywhere near where I live, and I don’t care much for the sort of fast food it serves, so I doubt I would ever visit one, even if I weren’t disgusted by the owner’s views.

My wife says she used to eat there a lot, and loved their sandwiches. But no more.

She was befuddled by my confusion over the name. I honestly thought Chik-Fil-A was a falafel restaurant—chickpeas, fala… —for a long time. I wondered why there was a falafel place in a south Missouri mall ….

I love their waffle fries. I haven’t seen a Chick-fil-a since I moved to Davis though. According to their restaurant locator, there’s a good reason for that. There’s also no Chick-Fil-A anywhere near Berkeley, which I’ll be living in for at least the next two years, so I won’t be eating there anytime soon. Because of the religious fundamentalism in the chain, it looks like I’ll have to learn how to make my own damn waffle fries.

Why are their products chicken sandwiches and not chicken burgers? Because they look like burgers to me, for the simple fact that sandwiches happen with bread and burgers happen with buns, and they look like buns. Is it something to do with other content? Is it just semantics? These questions shouldn’t bother me so much, but they do.

Why are their products chicken sandwiches and not chicken burgers? Because they look like burgers to me, for the simple fact that sandwiches happen with bread and burgers happen with buns, and they look like buns. Is it something to do with other content? Is it just semantics? These questions shouldn’t bother me so much, but they do.

Burgers = hamburgers. Beef required. Thus everything else on bread is usually a sandwich. That’s how its referred to here anyways.

Sayke, in my experience, “chicken sandwiches” involve chicken, either in patty form or the more elongated “fillet” form, that has been breaded and deep-fried. “Chicken burgers” are unbreaded chicken patties, usually grilled.

JAL, maybe it’s a regional diff. You can buy salmon burgers, veggie burgers, and other non-beef burgers in supermarkets here in the Northeast.

True. I’m in AZ and nothing but beef is a burger. Of course, just my expedience and I don’t get out much anyways. When I lived in Michigan I only hear of beef referred to as burgers but I was young. It doesn’t surprise me one bit that’s is regional difference.

I have vague little kid flashbulb memories of one in a mall (not even sure which one, now) in Portland, Oregon roughly 25 years ago, but now I see the rampant godlessness of of the PNW has apparently driven them out of Oregon and Washington entirely. Unmissed and unmourned for my part: I hated fried chicken then, and I hadn’t thought about them in pretty much that 25 years, and until hearing of their earlier slightly milder fundashittery a while back, didn’t realize they were still in business. The flashbulb memories involve thinking the waffle fries were just about the best thing in the universe when I had them in front of me roughly age 5, but that’s probably just because I’d never seen a waffle fry before.

And besides, now I know better. Onion rings, particularly with sweet onions, are the most perfect thing in the universe.

What I’m mostly comparing them to are the things you can buy at KFC, which are called burgers here, and are basically the same chicken-onna-bun.

But I mean, this is Australia, where a hamburger has beef, but a hamburger with the lot has beef, bacon, tomato, onion, lettuce, beetroot, pineapple, and a fried egg. Regional differences account for a lot.

Sigh. I’m sorry to be a wet blanket, but I must. So many pet peeves in this thread.

1. It’s fascinating that the media has just now figured out Chik Fil A’s agenda. I knew about it 13 years ago when I lived in the South. Their Christian stupidity and support of anti-gay causes has never been a secret.

2. Sigh. Double sigh. MSG is not a poison. Read that again. MSG is not a poison. There is no such thing as an “MSG headache.” Adding MSG to food is not a sign of an inferior product. It’s just a refined form of natural glutamates that stimulate the savory taste.

No, it won’t make you sick. No, it won’t give you cancer. No, you wouldn’t know it was in your food if you were a participant in a blinded trial. That so many people still believe this bullshit is really irksome.

Yes, I know. It’s New Scientist. No, I don’t have time to dig up all the relevant literature (though I’ve read much of it). But ask yourself why you’ve taken it as an article of faith that MSG is some nasty, harmful “chemical” based on nothing but urban food myth? What evidence have you seen beyond “everyone says it?”

None.

3. You want artery clogging? Fried chicken isn’t your best bet. No diet that includes a lot of fried food is good for you, but the occasional treat is not a nightmare. Do you understand the difference between fat per se and saturated fat?

Fried chicken has a boatload less saturated fat (this is the stuff that actually clogs your arteries) than a comparable hamburger, especially one with cheese.

Sorry, I know I’m being pedantic. But dumb-shit diet truisms piss me off. Most people have no idea what the hell they’re talking about and the level of useful knowledge about actual health risks/benefits even among educated people is abysmal. Most of us basically walk around repeating dumb urban myths. It gets under my (crispy fried) skin.

4. I don’t need to remind you that I’m not defending Chik Fil A, that I hate them, that I’d never spend a dime helping them oppress me, right? You understand that criticizing silly remarks about food is not the same as throwing in with people who want me not to have legal rights, correct?

Chick-fil-A sandwiches are pretty good but not good enough for me to ever go back and support their crap agenda.

On the other hand, In-And-Out Burger has Christian founders as well (look at the bottom of your soda cup next time you go) and I hope against hope they keep their mouths shut because it would be a true test of my right-thinking fortitude if I was given reason to boycott them…

1. It’s fascinating that the media has just now figured out Chik Fil A’s agenda. I knew about it 13 years ago when I lived in the South. Their Christian stupidity and support of anti-gay causes has never been a secret.

I used to work on a film crew for a major international televangelist/church in So Cal. They had the Chick-Fil-A guy on several years back. He was pretty braggy about how they support good Christian Family Values (although the thing that stuck most with me was how he bragged that they weren’t open on Sunday, because the values were more important than profit). I had never seen one, though, so I kind of just shoved it to the back of my mind. Guests like that were a dime a dozen.

Also had the joy of seeing Huckabee there, and it couldn’t have been more clear that he was hoping to be nominated for President (as I recall this was lateish 2007).

Chick-Fil-A sandwiches used to be the highlight of mall trips with my mother. Thirty-some years ago.

I became aware of CFA’s “family values” at the same time I heard about their tendency to send cease-and-desist letters to small businesses who use “eat more.” Here in Winter Park, there’s a grocer called Eat More Produce which has caught CFA’s attention. And everyone probably knows about Eat More Kale in Vermont. Because, you know, vegetables totally = chicken.

CFAs are all over the Orlando area like mushrooms after a rain. I’d love it if the one on the UCF main campus would go out of business, but it’s always packed.

Adding MSG to food is not a sign of an inferior product.
Have to disagree with you on that one point, Josh. It’s like corn syrup – the actual health risks are ludicrously overhyped, but nevertheless it’s most likely being used in manufacturing to disguise an inferior product. Got crap food? Just add sugar, salt, MSG and/or fat to make it more appealing on the cheap.

On your main point: it always amuses me that people never claim to get MSG-headaches from Italian food – even though MSG is present in high quantities in parmesan, mushrooms, tomato paste. Nor does seaweed ever seem to bother them. Ha. Sensitivity, my arse.

Adding MSG to food is not a sign of an inferior product.
Have to disagree with you on that one point, Josh. It’s like corn syrup – the actual health risks are ludicrously overhyped, but nevertheless it’s most likely being used in manufacturing to disguise an inferior product. Got crap food? Just add sugar, salt, MSG and/or fat to make it more appealing on the cheap.

You’re right on that, Alethea. I phrased it poorly. I should have said “necessarily.” Yeah, it’s a cheap shortcut, agreed. My beef is with the universal based-on-nothing belief that MSG is some weird Frankenstein chemical that eats your babies. You’re so right about pointing it out in other foods! Bullshit—not even turtles—all the way down.

I think I still will go there, from time to time, when I’m craving hypocrisy I can stomach, given as how Chick-Fil-A claims to be a Christian-themed restaurant that sells meat products with dairy, despite the fact that the Bible explicitly implies that eating meat with dairy is as abominable as gay marriage.

I fell for the ads and even planned going out of my way to try one (none locally). Just before that trip I learned they were fundienuts – still considered trying, but arrived on Sunday, and oh guess what, they keep the sabbath (wrong day, of course). Then I learned of the homophobic stuff and that ended any desire. My funny T-shirt is now a rag. Lots of corps are strongly connected with particular religion, even worked for one (very large and well known) so sometimes attitudes of top brass can be kept separate from business. But when a fast food place is closed on Sunday CFA has to be an oppressive place.

I think I still will go there, from time to time, when I’m craving hypocrisy I can stomach,

Would you “still go there” to the lunch counter at a southern restaurant that donated to the Klan? If not, then your conscience should be a little bit troubled about spending your money to support a restaurant chain that donates money to actively suppress my rights.

Why don’t you feel bad about that? Am I not real enough to you? Do you not believe that I suffer when things like Proposition 8 pass? Do you care that your patronage of anti-gay restaurants actively hurts me? Why not?

Christian-themed restaurant that sells meat products with dairy, despite the fact that the Bible explicitly implies that eating meat with dairy is as abominable as gay marriage.

Ah. I see. When you eat there it’s “ironic.” In a hipster kind of way.

I wish it were ironic when my friend Michael died of cancer last year and his husband of 20 years was legally prevented from taking money out of his bank account to pay for the cremation. That was really ironic. Especially knowing that companies like Chik Fil A helped bankroll the laws that made our suffering possible.

That’s what the heart doc said to the wife-with-stints. Got diagnosed heart disease? Then no meat, dairy, nuts, oil, and other processed foods. Also reduce the sugar, including fruit. Plant-based all the way. Her lipid numbers have gone from high to low in a year with hardly any Lipitor. No more angina.

Another good issue reason to boycott these places: the meat/dairy dominated agricultural industry is one of the largest producers of greenhouse gases, if not the largest.

I wish it were ironic when my friend Michael died of cancer last year and his husband of 20 years was legally prevented from taking money out of his bank account to pay for the cremation. That was really ironic. Especially knowing that companies like Chik Fil A helped bankroll the laws that made our suffering possible.

I was a bit young to live through the first Great Straight Betrayal (i.e. the first wave of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, where such proud heterosexuals as President Reagan actively suppressed medical research because us Damn Queers deserved whatever happened), but by the time I read Samuel R. Delany’s “The Tale of Plagues and Carnivals” (written during said plague) I was in a position to remember. I may, in my millenial magnanimity, have heteroseuxal friends, but I’ll never really have straight friends.

You’re either full of shit or your wife (oh, I’m sorry, “the” wife) has a crap cardiologist. Because no reputable doctor would give that diet advice dumb-ass. Are you just making shit up as you go along?

-A 36-year-old guy with a stent (note the ‘e’) who’s had a heart attack and understands that ‘no oil’ and ‘no nuts’ is fucking insane

You’re either full of shit or your wife (oh, I’m sorry, “the” wife) has a crap cardiologist. Because no reputable doctor would give that diet advice dumb-ass. Are you just making shit up as you go along?

-A 36-year-old guy with a stent (note the ‘e’) who’s had a heart attack and understands that ‘no oil’ and ‘no nuts’ is fucking insane

Well, I mean, if you die from the diet, that means the diet worked and you don’t need heart stents anymore. No more heart problems!

As another heart attack survivor, I have to agree with Josh. My cardiologist never said a word against nuts. In fact, I am encouraged to have them as a good snack that doesn’t boost blood sugar. My diet is labyrinthine given the combo of heart/diabetes/allergies/lactose intolerance.

I really think that if the advice that chap says the wife got was real, I would have heard of it, myself. And how exactly, do you avoid processed foods? You chomp the leg off some chicken yourself? Does he mean foods that have unhealthy additives?

Josh, are you aware of the Gloria Jeans boycott? It’s very similar indeed – all about homophobia, especially them giving money to both anti-gay-marriage political groups and “ex-gay” therapy groups. Horrible. Same shit, different name.

I was teasing a little about general internet US-centricity. My local thing is different by name, but not by nature.

Well, given the fact that there is no CFA in my country, I won’t boycott anything, but I hope they go out of business or change their practices as soon as possible. I don’t think we have anything american chains except from Mc Donald and Subway (maybe KFC too, I’m not sure). Not to be a caricature but eating in fast-food chain in France always seemed a bit… sacrilegious! :)

The accusation of persecution from the wingnuts are fantastic though. Aren’t the right-wing loons the firsts advocate of boycotts in the US, for pretty much anything?
I became aware of that during the Iraq War and the whole “Freedom Fries” thing. People went on TV to call for a boycott of french products, meaning wine, cheese and luxury products (holy stereotyping Batman!). A grand total of less than 1% of french exportation. Meanwhile Sodexo, a french company, was catering for the entire US Navy.
Maybe the nutjobs are just protesting about the injustice of informed boycotts?

I’ve lived in the southeast United States since 1988 and have eaten Chik Fil A many times in the past. Their fried chicken is the best I’ve ever had. Their nuggets taste just like chicken, rather than the crap from McDonald’s or Burger King. The breading is what sets their stuff apart from other kinds of fried chicken. They serve waffle fries that are crispy and lightly salted with a pinch of pepper and are fantastic.
The last time I purchased or consumed anything from that place was 2008 when I learned about their anti-gay position.
I refuse to knowingly give my money to a company that doesn’t regard me as a full citizen deserving of the same rights as everyone else all because I liking crossing swords with other guys.
I do, however, still miss their food.
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Logicgate @20:
That was 10 different kinds of awesome!

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Ty Yokum, the training manager for the chain, sat through 7 interviews and didn’t get the job.

I guess if you don’t memorize every cherry picked line from the Bible, you don’t get hired?

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Audley:

This entire mess does make me kind of want to spit on Mike Huckabee, though.

I wonder if Mano Singham would approve of a ‘spit-in’ for Mike…
(note: I have the desire to do that to the man. I would not do that even if I had the chance.)

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Oh, and Cracker Barrel is another restaurant I won’t go to. It seems they’ve added a non discrimination policy on sexual orientation, but for so long they were incredibly anti-gay (and racist) that I can’t get the nasty taste of discrimination out of my mouth to support them.

I can attest that Chik-fil-A makes some of the best fast food you can probably get anywhere. That’s not saying much, because it’s still fast-food, but I do miss going there, especially when there are like 3 around my, including right next to work.

I stopped going, and advocate to others to avoid it once I learned about their donations.

This is the same kind of discrimination that the gov’t used on atheists or LBGT friendly businesses in the past, so when we have local politicians that are “on our side” on this debate, we should not abuse gov’t power in the same way.

In the idea of intellectual honesty, and standing up for our principles as Americans who value the freedom of speech highly – I really think more vocal members of our community should speak out against this.

If you do, please mention that boycotting them, or encouraging other businesses to do so as well is a wonderful idea. Campuses or industrial parks banning them from their property is awesome stuff, but denying them zoning permits because the owner is an ass is something we should be against.

I haven’t been to a Chick-Fil-A in about ten years or so, back when I first figured out that they were overtly religious and decided to look into how they spent their money. While I’m glad that people are boycotting now; I, like some others, am curious as to why it’s taken this long for people to notice. It’s not like they were being subtle about it.

Doesn’t affect me since I stopped eating there in the 1990s when I found out they were fundies. And yes, Popeyes is awesome chicken and there’s one about a mile from my house. Church’s Chicken isn’t quite as good, but still leaps and bounds above KFC.

I stopped going to Chick-Fil-A in the ’90s when I discovered they closed on Sundays for religious reasons. At the time, I simply didn’t want to support a company that made such a dramatic show of their religious values. (At least the local store did. They posted a sign explaining the reason behind their closure to the entire mall.) Their behavior since then has only strengthened my position.

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Being a homosexual is probably among the absolute worst of the unforgivable sins against our Heavenly Father. God and Jesus will have absolutely no homosexuals in heaven whatsoever because they were put on earth by the devil. I would still NOT eat at Chick-fil-A because they also embrace sin and abomination against our dear Lord and Savior. My husband and I cannot bear driving past one-especially if we have our grandchildren in the truck-because they always have someone dressed as a Holstein cow dancing on the side of the road, trying to lure in business. Dancing is a sin, and dressing up as an animal is just as horrible. It’s covered under the Commandments that speaks against graven images. All this roadside dancing needs to be stopped, and those who do it wearing animal costumes need to be captured and hauled off to jail in chains. Chick-fil-A needs to be assessed a hefty fine for promoting such mockery of the Kingdom of Heaven. Not long ago at my church, someone said that she heard that Chick-fil-A was a Mormon outfit, but we haven’t yet confirmed it. The Mormons are the devil’s people who have tried to invalidate the Bible by writing their own, so that they can have their women in common. If you care about your salvation, which amounts to an eternity, stay far away from both homosexuals and Chick-fil-A.

It really should have been in Comic Sans, with different colors, boldings and underlines and italics as it progresses.

If CFA ever attempts to penetrate Canada, they’re in for a rude surprise: Canada has had for many, many years a candy bar called “Eat More”.

Fried chicken:

Make it this way: flour chicken pieces in a mixture of flour with LOTS of ground black pepper (I said LOTS). Fry in about 1/4″ oil, a few pieces at a time to prevent crowding the pan. As each piece reaches that certain golden look of goodness, transfer it to a rack in a 325-350F oven. Continue cooking the chicken in the oven; this causes a lot of the chicken fat and excess oil to drip off into the catch pan. QED etc.

Low fat diets for heart disease:

Dean Ornish has studied this since he was in med school. His conclusion: to reverse atherosclerosis, you need to reduce the fat content of your diet to below 10% of total calories. (The American Heart Assocation says 30%, but Ornish has demonstrated that that’s not low enough.) The only practical way to do this is to cut meat, eggs, poultry, and fish out of your diet, along with dairy other than skim milk products; avocados, nuts, salad dressings with oil, peanut butter, etc.

Ornish has written a number of books on this approach. [A friend who used to assist at his workshops says that in person he’s an asshole, but no matter.]

David it is ON.
You, me. Knife fight in that warehouse from the Beat It Music Video.
Imagine insulting a Philly Cheesesteak to a guy in an Eagles jersey, or talking bad about deep dish to a guy in a cubs hat.

Actually, I’ve done that second one. Shit is hilarious. like, just call it Pizza-Quiche.

I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say ‘we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage’ and I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about.

The bible never says marriage is only between one man and one woman—there are many instances of multiple wives—so he knows better than God his own self.

And he has such a prideful, arrogant attitude, and the audacity to define what marriage is, what America’s religion is ….

The food sucks. They are all over the place here in TX. However, let’s make sure liberals, progressives, or whomever support their right to do business like everyone else no matter what their political or religious views. Evidently some government officials believe it is their right to block private business from operating if the operators of them don’t view the world in the correct way.

lousy food, guess their little employment questionnaire doesnt extend to the cooks. They let my kid work their and he spent all of his off time breaking all of the commandments except murder, repeatedly.

Evidently some government officials believe it is their right to block private business from operating if the operators of them don’t view the world in the correct way.

Yeah, like when they use zoning regulations to deny business permits to people for having a liberated view of sex and selling paraphernalia appropriate for that world view, per sex shops. Or when they restructure regulations for parking mandates for planned parenthood centers so that they have to spend a fortune on making their building and lot comply with new arbitrary rules, or shutter their doors.

See, on the one hand, I’m inclined to agree, and say “yes, it’s wrong when they do it, and it’s wrong here.”
But on the other, I look realistically at whether or not they are going to ever stop doing those things, or if these tools are going to be removed from the political utility belt by legislature or court ruling, and within the real political world we live in, whether what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Considering that Chik-Fil-A donated extensively to Prop 8, and similar measures intent on determining how people get to live their lives based on their politics/lifestyles, I’m inclined toward the latter. If they didn’t want government used as a hammer against themselves, they really shouldn’t have used it as a hammer against others.

Now there’s commitment to a principle. Since somebody was wrong then you support more wrong. Use it now and get it back in spades. Great. I guess I’m not surprised, but I would have hoped for something better. You better hope you have a big majority that believes like you (oops they don’t), because otherwise you are screwed. Principles be damned.

“what is good for the goose is good for the gander”. Now there’s a progressive attitude.

Not only that there is a big difference. Even though I utterly oppose the regulation of sex businesses or the banning of large sugary drinks, the people doing that are doing it because they believe those practices themselves should be regulated, not because they don’t like the owners. If Bloomberg was trying to punitively punish Pepsi because of the political or religious views of the CEO of Pepsi then he would be doing the same thing. But he is not and neither is the opposition to same sex marriage or anything else by the owners of Chick-Fil-A. It has nothing to do with selling breaded chicken crap, but a punitive act against the ideas of the owners.

You are hypocritical supporting the very thing you claim you oppose. Nice. Figures.

Not only that there is a big difference. Even though I utterly oppose the regulation of sex businesses or the banning of large sugary drinks, the people doing that are doing it because they believe those practices themselves should be regulated, not because they don’t like the owners. If Bloomberg was trying to punitively punish Pepsi because of the political or religious views of the CEO of Pepsi then he would be doing the same thing. But he is not and neither is the opposition to same sex marriage or anything else by the owners of Chick-Fil-A. It has nothing to do with selling breaded chicken crap, but a punitive act against the ideas of the owners.

You are hypocritical supporting the very thing you claim you oppose. Nice. Figures.

Oh, fercrissakes, Mills. Pull the stick out of your ass. No one is actually going to block a new Chick-fil-A store, deny it permits, impose arbitrary regulations on them not required of other (similar) businesses, or anything.

Even the people who might wish they could do that, to get back at CfA for its financial support of bigotry, are not going to actually try to do any such thing. The ACLU has already made that clear in Chicago, and Bostons’ mayor has specifically stated that his opposition to CfA is only his opinion, not a governmental action about to be implemented. As for people just casually posting in this thread, there’s no possible harm in them expressing their opinion. Even if it’s “wrong”.

There’s absolutely no need for you to jump in hyperventilating here. Relax, it’s covered.

It is not “political or religious views.”
it’s discrimination. They are being punished for discrimination.

And I don’t answer to you, chuckles. No one does. But you have no right to demand ideological purity from anyone. Having legal tools and using them is pragmatism. You can even find the tools to be distasteful, and actively work against their continued viability while using them. Corporate money in politics is a pretty obvious comparison.

I also think some regulation of adult business is reasonable, but that these tools of regulation are abused by a bunch of petty fascists who are more concerned about their own property values than other people’s property rights. But I also know for a fact zoning regulations are not going to disappear just because I don’t like them.

I know nuance is clearly not your strong suit, but you’re doing a very good job of talking me out of any reservations I had regarding the various bans. Congratulations on turning ambivalence into moral certitude through your own pig headedness.

“Moreover, both Moreno and Emanuel are urging the full City Council to deny the company the permits they need to open. ”

At least Glen Greenwald has principles and is willing to call out the political thugs and those who support them.

You are an intellectual infant with your false analogies about sex businesses. It’s a fundamentally different thing than what is happening here. And yet you are accusing me of lack of nuance. This isn’t even nuance.

Why do trolls always fail to look in the mirror before they make asses of themselves with their own ignorance and hypocrisy? You lost before you started, and are just showing us how bad you and your ideology is.

The food sucks. They are all over the place here in TX. However, let’s make sure liberals, progressives, or whomever support their right to do business like everyone else no matter what their political or religious views. Evidently some government officials believe it is their right to block private business from operating if the operators of them don’t view the world in the correct way.

Oddly enough, some government officials believe it is the government’s place to support anti-discrimination policy.

Go figure.

Let me put it to you this way – if Chick-fil-A had that sort of exhaustive interview process in place to make sure that everyone it hired was while, would you support that? Howabout if they made a big deal about it: “Eat here, no blacks will touch your food, we promise!” Still good with you?

Unless I am very mistaken, only religious institutions are allowed to practice religious discrimination in hiring. Unless Chick-fil-A is claiming to be a church (in which case, they’d best get the hell out of the fast-food business), they’re not allowed to.
The fact that they are disguising it behind a facade of “fits in with the company environment” is bullshit,and they’re finally being publicly called out on that bullshit.
Do you object to that?