weren't you brain dead for a while pretending not to reply ? what forced you to do so now ? your fat pimp wouldn't whip for a whole week if you didn't stand up for him ? or is there another secret between you two vw b*tches that nobody is aware of ?

F12 TDF is biggest ripoff in Ferrari's history. Just like the Porsche 911R. TDF was supposed to be the "swan song for naturally aspirated V12" while Ferrari were working on base model 812 with even more power. 911R was supposed to be the "last 911 with a stick" while from the get go, Porsche were developing this new manual box for base 911 GT3 and Cayman GT4...

And the "far more money than brains" and "lets pump the exclusive car market to the moon" group were buying with no hesitation.

F12tdf is a rip off? How come you do not say the same for McLaren? Look how much quicker the 720S is compared to the 675LT. The 812 Superfast is may be more powerful than the F12tdf by 20hp and 10lb-ft, but the F12tdf weighs 110kg less and has a better power to weight ratio, which can also be confirmed on the Ferrari website on both their specs. The F12tdf is also the better track car, it has more downforce.

Okay, we don’t know for sure. But anyone would assume, given the fact that the F12tdf makes more downforce and is 110kg lighter. The 458 Speciale, while being much slower on the straights compared to the 650S, is the better track car, being lighter by 33kg. I’m sure 100kg would make a difference, on top of the downforce. But you are completely correct, numbers don’t always translate to reality so we can’t say for sure. But on paper, the F12tdf will out-drag the 812, and is the better track car.