if eli manning carries the new york giants to the super bowl next year, literally by himself on offense, you can compare him to elway and i'll agree with you. until that happens, the only similarity they *might* have is that their hometown fans hate them in year 3 (and i don't know for sure if the general giants fans hate eli yet or not).

Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.

Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.

As far as HS goes they didn't get much more dominant than Kerry Collins.

Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.

As far as HS goes they didn't get much more dominant than Kerry Collins.

Yeah, it's tough to argue about that 'cuz none of us have seen enough guys at that level to label anybody the best. I'm just going off what I've heard. When Elway showed up at Stanford as a Freshman, 2 sophomore's immediately transferred out. Don't much care about that, or his college career though 'cuz that was before my time. From what I've seen though, he was the best QB in the NFL. Just ahead of Dan Marino.

Seriously. John Elway is arguably the greatest QB to ever live. At the HS level, college level, and in the NFL. *arguably*
Eli is Peyton's brother and Archie's son. He has plenty of potential, but nothing like what Elway had. There are a few parallels in their stories at this point in Eli's career, but that's the extent of it. It's like comparing Luke Ridnour to John Stockton. Some similarities, but.......not even close.

He's right though... Elway and Eli both were unimpressive their first years. So Eli MUST be the next Elway. Totally makes sense. (NOT)

Come on... Elway was a GREAT quarterback who just had to get started, maybe (for the giants' sake hopefully) he will someday justify the fact that the Giants gave up Rivers & Merriman for him. But for now, Eli Manning is an avarage quarterback at best. What he's going to do in the next few years remains to be seen. Don't go compare him to one of the greats just because they both got off to a rough start.

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the other interesting thing here, is how few of you have any idea what you're talking about with regard to elway. most of you only remember his last two year when he finally won the super bowl because most of you were either not old enough, or didn't live anywhere near denver to see his games. everyone in denver HATED him for his early years. a fair number of broncos fans hated him right up till the 97-98 season.

again, in his fourth year, elway finally showed that he can put a team on his back and carry it someplace. he did it two more times before anyone on the offense helped at all.

either post why this is a ridiculous comparison (i think it is for several reasons, but that's not the point) or sit down, shut up and wait till next year.

the other interesting thing here, is how few of you have any idea what you're talking about with regard to elway. most of you only remember his last two year when he finally won the super bowl because most of you were either not old enough, or didn't live anywhere near denver to see his games. everyone in denver HATED him for his early years. a fair number of broncos fans hated him right up till the 97-98 season.

again, in his fourth year, elway finally showed that he can put a team on his back and carry it someplace. he did it two more times before anyone on the offense helped at all.

either post why this is a ridiculous comparison (i think it is for several reasons, but that's not the point) or sit down, shut up and wait till next year.

Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.

The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.

Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.

sure, although i'm not sure that record was so much evidence of elway's success or not (as his numbers weren't all that great). that season, he reminded me more of jake last year. not a bad guy behind center, but certainly not the sole reason for the team's success like he was later in his career.

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The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.

absolutely. like i said, i think the comparison was poor, but most people are speaking as if john was not only great his entire career but like everyone loved him. realistically, that wasn't ever true. i don't personally think eli's a bust, as i think if he had a different last name people would view him differently, but to each their own there.

where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road

Elway had success in his 2nd year. The team went 13-3 and would have won the playoff game against Pittsburgh if Reeves would have pulled Elway after he injured his groin and put in Kubiak.

sure, although i'm not sure that record was so much evidence of elway's success or not (as his numbers weren't all that great). that season, he reminded me more of jake last year. not a bad guy behind center, but certainly not the sole reason for the team's success like he was later in his career.

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The teams that Elway took to the Super Bowl in the 80's had no business of even being in the playoffs. Sammy Winder at RB and the 3 amigos at WR were not exactly Pro Bowlers. It was Elway and a turnover producing defense that got them to the Super Bowl where they inevitably met a much stronger NFC team.

Eli style is no where similar to Elway. Eli is not good at throwing on the run. He's more mobile than Peyton, but is not a runner. Eli also has a possible future HOF at RB and upper eschelon WR's, but has yet to score his first playoff points. He gives the typical Manning performance in the playoffs.

Elway and his father saw Baltimore for what it was, a horrible franchise. Eli and his father showed they could judge talent if it was right in front of them.

absolutely. like i said, i think the comparison was poor, but most people are speaking as if john was not only great his entire career but like everyone loved him. realistically, that wasn't ever true. i don't personally think eli's a bust, as i think if he had a different last name people would view him differently, but to each their own there.

I loved the defensive scheme that mid 80s Broncos defense ran. It was very complex, and a great 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Probably the best hybrid Ive ever seen in terms of Xs and Os.

While Elway had no help on the offensive side of the ball the same can be said of Eli on the defensive side. Eli's defense consisted of 4th string LBs in the playoffs last year, which was the real reason why we lost. We couldn't stop them, and in turn, Eli forced something to happen and got picked off as a result of it on the offensive side of the ball. Even this year, the defense has been our achilles heal, all thanks to Tim Lewis, mediocre safeties, and injuries.

Im one who says theres no way you can make the comparison. Eli has a long way to go before he's Elway, but I also noticed how everyone here thinks that Elway was great his whole career. Elway had a career 55% completion rating. You don't hear anyone here talk about his accuracy issues.

While I agree that the Eli Manning supporters have no business talking right now, I also believe that Eli gets unfair criticism. Its like he's judged on a different measuring stick from everyone else.

where does the myth that Eli has good Recievers come from? Shockey is not utilized enough, but he is a great TE. Other then that, he has nothing. Plaxico is not a #1 reciever. he would be a great #2 but thats it. Toomer is out, but he is a middle of the road #2...

Tiki rarely catches passes. There is absolutely no depth at WR and we dont even have a #3 Wideout. Eli has garbage to throw too since Toomer went out. And even before that, his recieving crew was middle of the road

Love how you throw Eli's teammates under the bus, especially since you are wrong. Shockey get lots of catches, but he is a ball hog who wants more. A tight end is rarely a # 1 receiver anyways.

Burress has had 3 1,000 yard seasons in his career and is much better than average.

Tiki gets about 50 catches per season under Eli. That's better than Shaun Alexander.

The Giants want to limit the number of times Eli throws. The Giants are never going to have a high flying Rams like offense under Eli. That's not Giants football and that is not effective playing outdoors in NY in November and December.