I just had to dumpster-dive at the LCS parking lot wearing a suit and tie (although I did take off the jacket first), much to the delight and amusement of the owner and the other regular in the shop.

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Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

Price on this isn't going to drop much. Hobby was not produced in near the qty people were figuring. Production cut was at least 20% based on original non-hit odds and the ratios they are falling now. If you were buying this product for the hits from the very start, you were buying for the wrong reason. This is similar to A&G. Rare, bigger hits sell well but this is a set and mini card product.

Exactly. I could tell production was cut when I was getting 4-5 paper frames /999 per box when the original solicitation said one per box. I'm too lazy to piece everything out, so I put my minis in lots and the bidding is looking good so far. Definitely a set-collector product.

I am just curious...how much are you guys seeing these boxes go for? My LCS gave me a price and I about fell over. Seemed too high for this stuff.

Here is a hint for the future to everyone... any time you see a product where the minute it's announced, everyone says "Oh hell no, this stuff is so ugly, etc, blah blah blah" it's always going to be underproduced, and hence, a huge hit. Take that to the bank.

Here is a hint for the future to everyone... any time you see a product where the minute it's announced, everyone says "Oh hell no, this stuff is so ugly, etc, blah blah blah" it's always going to be underproduced, and hence, a huge hit. Take that to the bank.

Mmmm.....I don't think so, Jim. That would require Topps to listen to consumers & that's not going to happen on a regular basis like that. If the orders are coming in, they are going to produce it, no matter what.

__________________"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." ---Ty Cobb

Price on this isn't going to drop much. Hobby was not produced in near the qty people were figuring. Production cut was at least 20% based on original non-hit odds and the ratios they are falling now. If you were buying this product for the hits from the very start, you were buying for the wrong reason. This is similar to A&G. Rare, bigger hits sell well but this is a set and mini card product.

Ironically, I was trying to figure out the odds. (why am I doing this again?)

This may be the case, but how many times has Topps done this within the past year? Almost every other product that comes out, Topps makes some sort of announcement about a "mistake" they made & how they're going to "make it right" with collectors. It's getting old & a company like Topps should be held to higher standards, having been in this business for so long.

Not to mention how horrible their CS is on a regular basis. Other companies will honor expired redemptions, but not a company who's been around for 60 years. Enough of this, "At least they're willing to..." BS! They're plain lazy & don't give a flying #@$% about consumers.

Mmmm.....I don't think so, Jim. That would require Topps to listen to consumers & that's not going to happen on a regular basis like that. If the orders are coming in, they are going to produce it, no matter what.

I think you actually made Jim's point just there. The orders were NOT coming in and so Topps did not produce much of it. Hence why it is now tough to find and very expensive. Shops and distributors underestimated customer demand, especially after seeing people on message boards trashing this idea (and many still are). Topps sells to shops, not to customers, so they could only produce what the shops and distributors wanted. My LCS is already sold out and he said his phone won't stop ringing with customers asking if he has any left.

The point Jim was making is don't listen to the naysayers. They've been wrong about every product this year and continue to be wrong. All the Bowman bashers will learn this lesson too when Bowman continues to go up in price despite many trying to knock it down.

Wow if this is true. They made about 5500 Bowman Draft cases and something like 9000 Bowman Chrome cases if you want to compare numbers. No wonder this stuff is hot out of the gate. I don't see any signs that it will slow down either.

I think you actually made Jim's point just there. The orders were NOT coming in and so Topps did not produce much of it. Hence why it is now tough to find and very expensive. Shops and distributors underestimated customer demand, especially after seeing people on message boards trashing this idea (and many still are). Topps sells to shops, not to customers, so they could only produce what the shops and distributors wanted. My LCS is already sold out and he said his phone won't stop ringing with customers asking if he has any left.

The point Jim was making is don't listen to the naysayers. They've been wrong about every product this year and continue to be wrong. All the Bowman bashers will learn this lesson too when Bowman continues to go up in price despite many trying to knock it down.

Depends on how you read the comments I guess. I don't agree that it should be a rule of thumb by any means, and that was the point I was trying to get across. It's hit & miss with each & every product. There's no formula to know which product will be great & which will be watered down, especially when it comes to Topps steering the ship.

__________________"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." ---Ty Cobb

Here is a hint for the future to everyone... any time you see a product where the minute it's announced, everyone says "Oh hell no, this stuff is so ugly, etc, blah blah blah" it's always going to be underproduced, and hence, a huge hit. Take that to the bank.

I don't understand how under producing a crap product makes it a huge hit? Not to mention its short on the number of autos promised. What am I missing here? Is just the scarcity that attracts people?