Originally posted by HoldTheBeans Nobody will bat an eye. Actually the media will most likely hail him as the first non born president.

You make a good point here. Remember when it was proven that Clinton was a liar and fornicator? The mantra was that "Character didn't matter".
If it is ever proven that Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen", the mantra will be "His birthplace doesn't matter."
This is the nature of politics and party loyalty.

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Obama

On side note: Every generation needs a great conspiracy. This birth place conspiracy is the modern day, "Grassy knoll."

Birther bs started because he is Black and has a "strange" sounding name.

That is all.

I know a lot of Republicans, Tea Party members & even "Birthers" who would have gladly voted for Alan Keyes. The last time I checked, he was a lot
blacker than Obama. I think labeling all Birthers as racists is dishonest and deplorable, akin to labeling all Democrats as Socialists.

I know a lot of Republicans, Tea Party members & even "Birthers" who would have gladly voted for Alan Keyes. The last time I checked, he was a lot
blacker than Obama. I think labeling all Birthers as racists is dishonest and deplorable, akin to labeling all Democrats as Socialists.

That is how it started whether you like it or not. Just because you joined in this rediculous belief and are not racist does not mean that the origins
of Birtherism started with just that.

I am getting so tired of this crap, I think its the same people who sit at home all day and find stuff to post that is against Obama and his family,
one guy posted a video on liveleak about Mrs.Obama's skirt being semi blown up by the wind, he concluded the video with a clip of someone vomiting.
This is the mindset of people who truly hate him. These people have changed my mind on one thing though, I think the next big thing will be sites
requiring you to use your real name and picture to be taken seriously when posting in adult forums, can you imagine how much more credible the
opinions will be in that setting ? Heads up ATS.
How sad that on a conspiracy site such as this, the cloak of anonymity, provides cover for baseless BS ,being passed off as groundbreaking
information, funny though, I can't recall the last time a "birther" went off on the Bush administration for leaving the country in such a financial
craphole for future generations to take care of. Hmmmm it might be a conspiracy.

You have inaccurately reached the conclusion that I was a Birther, so I assume you must therefore think I am a racist.
LOL. My father would get a huge kick out of that.
It's sad that ATS has become a place for name calling and character assassination instead of respectful debate.

You have inaccurately reached the conclusion that I was a Birther, so I assume you must therefore think I am a racist.
LOL. My father would get a huge kick out of that.
It's sad that ATS has become a place for name calling and character assassination instead of respectful debate.

No. Lemmie me rephrase.

I wasn't labeling you anything #1.

#2 I didn't say all Birthers are racist.

What I did say is that this BS all started from racism.

Why question it at all? Hell McCain wasn't even born in the USA and people don't bring that up.

It's because he is black with an African Father and a strange sounding name.

That to me seems like racism.

Hell if a whole state (Hawaii) is willing to lie to us, then screw it....why should we even bother digging into it.

I hate using the race card, I really do, but there isn't a lot of room here on why this debate started in the first place.

and then ask yourself the same question. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

I know a lot of good people who are Birthers and Tea Party members. They think that they are being taxed to death and want some real change. They
don't care what color the person is who brings it.

I also know a lot of Democrats who are good people who want real change. The problem is that we don't have anyone in office that is able to bring
about the kind of change that will make this country great again.

A lawsuit was filed by Fred Hollander in 2008 alleged that McCain was actually born in a civilian hospital in Colon City, Panama. However, In April
2008, the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural-born citizen. This was still contested by some,
including Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona.

I see the discussion has gone forward a bit, and still, no one has addressed the complete deceptiveness of this thread. It's like that movie,
Invasion of the Body Snatchers.. Everyone is happily standing around, conversing, ignoring the large, fraudulent pink elephant just sitting in the
room with them, staring them straight in the eye, as they pretend it's not there. The problem with the ENTIRE birther movement, is it is based on
deceptiveness, lies, misconception and partisan agenda.. whose agenda, I'm not sure.. the birther thing ain't helping republicans, nor the right in
general, in the least. In fact, if there is a conspiracy here, I'd lean toward the left creating this fiasco in order to depict the right as
absolutely insane, and honestly, it seems to be working like a charm.

I am leaning to this idea also. It;s almost like someone teasing a dog with a scooby snack, only to snatch it away at the last moment.
Just when the Birthers think Trump or Corsi are going to deliver them a victory, their hopes are ripped away when a formerly, "unavailable or
non-existent" long form suddenly appears. The timing couldn't be better for Obama.

I'm trying REALLY hard not to be insulting to anyone.. I am honestly trying to view this topic from the "birther's" (god I hate that label) point
of view, but I can't seem to do it. I've never been one to have blind faith in anything. I am in no way Pro-Obama. I didn't vote for him. Hell,
I'm an anarchist. I believe all governments to be immoral, unnecessary tools of slavery, and oppression, but I'm going off topic, now..

So, ok, those of you that are saying you "believe" this subpoena to be "legit", I'm assuming you "agree" with TrueAmerican's statement that
this was issued by a judge.. NOW, WHY? It is not stated anywhere, not even on Orly Taitz numerous websites that this subpoena was issued by Judge
Lambert. I would like to know the information you have that supports that belief/statement. There has to be SOMETHING behind your "beliefs",
right? I'm interested in finding out what lead you to this conclusion. WHY do you believe that this Subpoena was issued by a Judge?

I am very surprised as well that this thread isn't sitting in the hoax bin yet. Anything with that woman's name on it or in it should be filtered
straight to there.

Check the Title and the bottom of the OP.

Mod Note: Title edit
Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire has filed a subpoena that still needs approval from the D.C. District Court in order to be binding.
edit on 25-5-2011 by dbates because: Title Edit

It appears the title has been changed by the mods to avoid the hoax bin.

But I agree...I think it should still be thrown in hoax...because that is exactly what it is. Maybe I'll fill out a subpoena form for Orly Taitz to
produce evidence of a brain...sign it myself...put it on a blog...and create a thread saying I have subpoened Orly Taitz to show me her brain. That
would be exactly what she has doen...but I bet mine would be put in hoax.

That's a common occurance on these birther threads. Take a look. Once people read the entire story, it becomes quite clear that this was BS to begin
with, and the OP's usually wander off to start another thread based on WND propaganda or blogspot info.

Birther threads create many stars and flags, but never produce any useful information to solve the BC, SS# issue.

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