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And here's for our friend Wetsroosa. He's had (at least) one famous relative, and one that relates to this site - astronaut Stu Roosa.

Stu Roosa had but one flight into space, but he knew how to make it count. He was the Command Module Pilot when Apollo 14 went up, circling the moon in the command module while Shepherd and Mitchell explored the lunar surface. It was a tense flight as it followed the disastrous Apollo 13 mission. When Alan Shepherd pulled out a golf club on the moon, we knew all was well. It was Roosa's job to dock with the lunar module upon its return from the moon.

The envelope is postmarked on the day of the Apollo 14 splashdown. You can see S. Roosa's signature in the middle.

And here's for our friend Wetsroosa. He's had (at least) one famous relative, and one that relates to this site - astronaut Stu Roosa.

Stu Roosa had but one flight into space, but he knew how to make it count. He was the Command Module Pilot when Apollo 14 went up, circling the moon in the command module while Shepherd and Mitchell explored the lunar surface. It was a tense flight as it followed the disastrous Apollo 13 mission. When Alan Shepherd pulled out a golf club on the moon, we knew all was well. It was Roosa's job to dock with the lunar module upon its return from the moon.

The envelope is postmarked on the day of the Apollo 14 splashdown. You can see S. Roosa's signature in the middle.

Reading the book, I haven't gotten to Stu yet. Seeing his picture and his granddaughters in that USAA commercial, it's clear that red hair runs in the Roosa bloodlines; actually, I'm one of the few non-redhead Roosas out there.

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Wetsroosa wrote, "While reading Into the Sky With Diamonds from @Into the Sky with Diamonds, my son asked which Beatle is now in the astronaut suit. We told him all 4 Beatles take turns in the suit, so he always asks "Who's in it now?" whenever he sees the book. "

Love it. Getting permission to use that picture was the single hardest thing about publishing that book; I didn't get permission to use it until the week before the book went to press. But what better picture to explain the Beatle/Space connection!

For those of you just tuning in, there is a Lennon thread in which it is speculated that warring aliens were responsible for Lennon's murder. Billy Rhythm has opined that the Moon landings were all a hoax. (I'm including WETSRoosa here because his relative Stu Roosa, member of the Apollo 14 crew, would have been one of the perpetrators of this hoax. See Above.)

Billy Rhythm, the Apollo 8, 10 and 13 missions went around the Moon without any (alleged) landing. In your opinion, were those hoaxes too? Who took pictures of the Earthrise? NASA had no interest in taking pictures of the earth. Bill Anders had to ask permission when he was stunned by the sight. The only argument I've ever heard about this is whether the lunar horizon was horizontal (as in the published picture) or vertical when Anders took the picture.

The service module of Apollo 13 blew up in space. Hoax?

Many of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts have now passed away as have many in Mission Control. Even on their deathbeds they never alluded to any hoax. All because they signed a non-disclosure agreement in the 1960s? (I've not heard of this written agreement; do you have a reference for that?)

I didn't quite get your arguments about the Soviets not complaining. You're saying the Soviets didn't have the means to reach the world about this hoax? OK, the Americans blocked all access to Soviet media (not). But how about Europe? Asia? South America? Africa? In no corner of the world was the Soviet's outrage over the hoax heard?

Americans landed on the Moon 6 times. You're saying that not once did the Soviets complain about the 'phony' landings and/or not once were those complaints heard anywhere in the world?

The Moon rocks were NOT lost: they were sent to geologists around the world, and the analysis of those rocks has changed our view of how the Moon was formed. That is easy to verify. (Google 'origin of the Moon') Perhaps that's even the best evidence.

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For those of you just tuning in, there is a Lennon thread in which it is speculated that warring aliens were responsible for Lennon's murder. Billy Rhythm has opined that the Moon landings were all a hoax. (I'm including WETSRoosa here because his relative Stu Roosa, member of the Apollo 14 crew, would have been one of the perpetrators of this hoax. See Above.)

Billy Rhythm, the Apollo 8, 10 and 13 missions went around the Moon without any (alleged) landing. In your opinion, were those hoaxes too? Who took pictures of the Earthrise? NASA had no interest in taking pictures of the earth. Bill Anders had to ask permission when he was stunned by the sight. The only argument I've ever heard about this is whether the lunar horizon was horizontal (as in the published picture) or vertical when Anders took the picture.

The service module of Apollo 13 blew up in space. Hoax?

Many of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts have now passed away as have many in Mission Control. Even on their deathbeds they never alluded to any hoax. All because they signed a non-disclosure agreement in the 1960s? (I've not heard of this written agreement; do you have a reference for that?)

I didn't quite get your arguments about the Soviets not complaining. You're saying the Soviets didn't have the means to reach the world about this hoax? OK, the Americans blocked all access to Soviet media (not). But how about Europe? Asia? South America? Africa? In no corner of the world was the Soviet's outrage over the hoax heard?

Americans landed on the Moon 6 times. You're saying that not once did the Soviets complain about the 'phony' landings and/or not once were those complaints heard anywhere in the world?

The Moon rocks were NOT lost: they were sent to geologists around the world, and the analysis of those rocks has changed our view of how the Moon was formed. That is easy to verify. (Google 'origin of the Moon') Perhaps that's even the best evidence.

I'm with Into the Sky With Diamonds on this one. It only makes sense that nobody in the world has reported soviet media complaining. And we still have the rocks. As far as I'm concerned, they went to the moon.

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@Into the Sky with Diamonds said
The Moon rocks were NOT lost: they were sent to geologists around the world, and the analysis of those rocks has changed our view of how the Moon was formed. That is easy to verify. (Google 'origin of the Moon') Perhaps that's even the best evidence.

I actually have to agree slightly with @Billy Rhythm on this one. What he is referring to, I believe (he can correct me if I'm wrong), are the 270 Apollo 11 Moon rocks and Apollo 17 "Goodwill Moon Rocks" that were given to various nations and US States. Generally given to heads of state (in both senses), the whereabouts of which around 180 are now unknown. The mistake he makes is that those 270 constituted the vast majority of what was brought back, when they were merely a small fraction. You can read more on the hunt for them here. (As if you'd need to!)

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Sorry for being late to the party, but I initially thought that Into the Sky with Diamonds' recommendations to move this discussion here was just another plug for his book, but in any case. With all due respect WETSRoosa, I'm gonna need more than a Trading Card Image (or, a signature) of someone who shares similarities to your Gamertag/ForumHandle to convince me that the suspect evidence "supporting" NASA's claim to have landed on the moon (6 times no less!) is indeed authentic. All "supporting" words from this or that other thread conveniently stray far away from any "hard" evidence (which is really only falsified second generation imagery whether you choose to acknowledge this FACT or not) and nothing else. Someone brought up the ridiculous golfing on The Moon fiasco, well, look at the evidence realistically and then ask yourself what's really going on here:

this is the ONLY evidence that's left of this ridiculous claim supposedly have happened on The Moon, whether Dr. Edgar Rhythm or Polythene Pam herself says what actually happened (Hearsay).

In case some of you doubt my earlier claims that the Soviets were CLEARLY outperforming the USA in the so called 'Space Race' (the final conflict in resolving the Great Stalemate known as 'The Cold War') then check out these entries, unadulterated by Television Spectacles & Spotlights:

The activity of The Soviets here dwarfs NASA's OFFICIAL logs (since you all seem to put so much weight to their claims) and they simply went about their business methodically without the window dressing of CBS News. Their Space Program is still beyond NASA's, and the troublesome high maintenance Space Shuttle model was rejected by them back in the early 60's for the very same reasons that NASA has finally retired them by learning many lessons the hard way, they opted for the smaller more efficient Kosmos shuttle design even while The Beatles were still playing The Cavern Club. Since you all seem to throw so much stock into pictures (and USA Technology) here's an image taken by a U.S. Spyplane showing the Soviets recovering Kosmos after one of its many missions:

The Americans won the 'Space Race' by the only means that they could, by manipulating the press to sway popular opinion in their favour, a game which they STILL play to this day while The Russians continue to stick to the business at hand without succumbing to USA Propaganda, as they always have...:-)

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Someone brought up the ridiculous golfing on The Moon fiasco, well, look at the evidence realistically and then ask yourself what's really going on here:

I'm sorry to say, but the "evidence" that the population banks their blind acceptance on NASA landing Men on The Moon is seriously flawed, this FACT is indisputable, and many of these photos appear throughout the Apollo "memoires" written by "All the major players" in which Into the Sky with Diamonds advised us during the other thread to "read their stories!" "to anyone who doubts the moon landings"!!! You're right about one thing Into the Sky with Diamonds, they're "stories" all right...:-)

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@Billy Rhythm You seem more angry than truly interested in learning what the real deal is here. I'm happy to check out your links, but I don't see that you've read any of the accounts of the astronauts or of the principals from mission control (i.e. Chris Kraft or Gene Kranz). You dismiss them out of hand as being 'stories' as in 'fakes.'

I looked at the first link of your June 25 post (aulis.com), and some problems jump out at me:

"Stuart Roosa should have been the one to take such a photograph, but he was with Alan Shepard for the duration of the golfing scene, as confirmed by the ‘live’ TV coverage; and according to the official Apollo record, no third person could have been there to take the picture!"

1) Stu Roosa never walked on the moon - so how knowledgeable is the person writing this piece?

2) Assuming for one moment that NASA felt the need to "Photoshop" the pictures for clarity and/or public consumption. How does that mean that the moon landings never took place? A number of famous (American) Civil War pictures have been found to have been staged, but that doesn't mean the Civil War never took place.

3) When there's a disagreement between two parties, surely you want to hear both sides before making up your mind, no? You haven't given us NASA's rebuttals to these claims for us to pass judgment on.

4) You attach a great deal of importance to the fact that Armstrong has used the word "luna" for the moon - the word the Soviets used. So what? It's the latin word for moon as are the names of the craters named long ago.

5) I don't quite get the argument pertaining to Aldrin's foot on the ladder. However, if you look at the picture preceding the famous picture (a picture that you never see published anywhere but which is in the NASA archives (I have a NASA publication that shows every picture of the Apollo 11 mission in chronological order), you'll see that Aldrin's body is at a 45 degree angle or so as he goes from one rung to the next. It would be hard to simulate that with terrestrial gravity.)

6) You make it sound like the American media are evil connivers trying to hide the truth from Americans and the rest of the world while the Soviets are heroic angels just going about their business. I'm not sure what alternate universe that comes from. First, the American government and the media are separate entities - much to the chagrin of many an American President - and that's certainly has not been the case in the Soviet Union or Russia (except perhaps during some of the Gorbachev years). Secondly, since when have the Soviets not manipulated the media as much as anyone else?

7) The lower portion of the lunar module of all 6 moon landings are still on the moon for all to see. As are presumably 6 American flags, the "car" driven by the astronauts and the scientific equipment that has been beaming back information ever since. You could go up there for yourself and take a look. As you've pointed out, the Soviets sent Luna moon orbiters. In fact, they did so DURING at least one of the Apollo missions, and NASA had to make sure the spacecrafts wouldn't collide. The Soviets surely would have been quick to point out any trickery.

8) Armstrong upon walking on the moon was heard to famously say, "This is one small step for Man, one giant leap for Mankind." This makes no sense as Armstrong pointed out many times. He claims to have said, "This is one small step for a man, one giant leap for Mankind" - which makes much more sense - but there's static just when he says, "a man." If this were all a hoax, why would NASA not simply have asked Armstrong to repeat it?

9) You're right, Billy Rhythm, the astronauts who died did so during a simulated flight. Why would NASA put the astronauts through months of these simulations if the landings were to be a hoax? Armstrong himself nearly died during his Gemini mission and again while simulating his lunar module landings (on Earth).

I'll be happy to look at the other links, but Billy Rhythm I'd like to hear your take on the above points (and the ones raised in my June 25 post) before going any further.

Meanwhile, since we've veered off the Beatle topic quite a bit, hopefully some of you Forum members/readers are being entertained by these exchanges. In case some of you are wondering what the Beatles were doing during the first Moon landing, they were recording Abbey Road. And Woodstock was just a few weeks away; assuming it was a real event.)

Sorry to disappoint you Into the Sky with Diamonds, but this topic hardly makes me "angry", in fact, I find your (and countless other's) version of "the real deal" most amusing to be honest. I'm not sure if I have the time to comment on your entire piece here for I'm on a bit of a time clock at this moment, but I'll do my best.

1) I wholeheartedly agree with you here that "Stu Roosa never walked on the moon" for no man HAS as of this writing, and I believe that you missed the point that the author of the article here was trying to get across. Because the other Astronauts are seen in the "Golf" image and also the second/third generation TV footage, the only other person who could've possibly taken this photo, if you believe NASA's story, is Mr. Roosa himself who supposedly "never walked on the moon", remember that there was no tripod brought along (NASA even confirms this) and the cameras were supposedly mounted on their chestplates, so the author is simply asking who took the picture here?

2) I'm not as knowledgeable on the U.S. Civil War, but I have seen untouched imagery of that period which obviously wasn't taken at a film studio, and that's something that I can't say of NASA's photo albums of the Apollo Missions that supposedly happened.

3) "NASA's rebuttals"?

4) I missed the part where I personally "attach a great deal of importance to Armstrong has used the word "luna" for the moon"? I've stuck to the "evidence" that's available while you continue to detract from it, but that's fine for I perfectly understand why you'd want to avoid the "evidence".

5) "It would be hard to simulate that (Aldrin's body at a 45 degree angle) with terrestrial gravity"? Well, the 1968 classic '2001 - A Space Odyssey' shows clearly that man was very capable of such a "simulation" inside the film studio and if you make good on your intention to check out the other links then you'll find considerable evidence that many photos DID employ miniature Astronaut Models and Actors suspended from wires (just as film technology of the day accomplished for '2001 - A Space Odyssey')

6) I never portrayed the Soviets to be "heroic angels", your words not mine, I simply pointed out (with evidence citing sources) that they were (and still are) decisively farther along in the 'Space Race' than the Americans ever were. The Soviets have never used, to my knowledge, national/international media to sensationalize their accomplishments in Space Exploration, and certainly haven't fabricated false claims to boost their own standing on the International Stage when it comes to Achievements in Space. The Americans are now seriously considering the same designs that the Soviets were using way back in the early 60's such as Kosmos in their attempts to replace the retired Shuttle Program for reasons that I've all ready stated.

7) I could go up myself?! If only I could, but yeah, if all that "evidence" that you pointed out is "still on the moon" then you'd think that somebody would've used that technology which has been touted to be able to photograph a grain of sand from Outer Space to silence the "Hoaxters" once and for all, but it hasn't happened yet has it.

8) I'm not sure what you're going on about here but the audio is every bit as faked as the video and pictures were, I think you're grasping at straws here.

9) "Why would NASA put the astronauts through months of these simulations"? I'm not saying that NASA didn't try to lay down the groundwork for this undertaking, after all Kennedy I think pretty much vowed that they'd get there before the end of the decade, but he jumped the gun and they knew that the Soviets were pulling away from them in the 'Space Race' by the week and this was the only possible way that they could "get there", and that was to use their unmatched prowess in the Motion Picture Industry. Yes, many Astronauts have lost their lives in trying to advance NASA's agenda without ever reaching Outer Space, but amazingly everyone survived all return trips to The Moon through the Van Allen Belts unscathed. The Van Allen Belts were only just detected in the late 50's, and that's "detected" not "measured". The first measurements back then actually read zero for the technology wasn't even capable of measuring such astronomical levels of cosmic radiation (relativistic particles moving at near the speed of light) which would've bombard any spacecraft for hours upon leaving Low-Earth Orbit, they weren't accurately measured until the 1970's with multiple space probe data after NASA supposedly sent humans to The Moon, and no scientist on this planet has yet been able to draft a solution to protecting humans inside this hostile environment, it's impossible to even simulate this environment here on Earth for there's not enough Energy on the Planet to even come close to what's waiting for any spacecraft traversing The Van Allen Belts, let alone any technology to protect us organics from the effects.

Believe what you will, I wish that I could celebrate this incredible achievement with you but the "evidence" is overwhelmingly against it ever happening the more that you investigate. I've always known that those pictures weren't real, just as I've always known that Santa Claus isn't "the real deal" either, but that's just me...:-)

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OK, you guys know I try very hard to listen to other people's opinions, and I also try very hard to avoid confrontations and unfriendly arguments. However, the fact that there's a person who believes that the moon landing(s)! were hoaxes is absolutely laughable. Just ridiculous. There's overwhelming photographic, oral, and audio evidence that the moon landings took place. Next you'll be telling me the Berlin Wall never got knocked down. Dude, stick to Beatles.

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45th anniversary of the first Moon landing this week-end (the real and the fake one). The Beatles were recording Abbey Road. Not a bad summer. (Oh, and there was Woodstock.)

Pawling comes across to my brain as Pauling That's a verb best left for the Fifty Shades thread.

I will be tuning in tomorrow or via the download this week.

Just this past week I was thinking about doing a post about the weather forcast from Beatles songs. I just noticed on your Facebook page that I missed the episode where you did that theme. I'm just glad to know I can have have theme-thoughts along the same lines as someone so awesome as you.

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45th anniversary of the first Moon landing this week-end (the real and the fake one). The Beatles were recording Abbey Road. Not a bad summer. (Oh, and there was Woodstock.)

"Yeah, great summer!"

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