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I guess this is why you were so pleased when Labour did in fact take back Tamihere.
As someone somewhere put in so aptly, being inclusive is one thing, embracing a suicide bomber is something totally different.

Why do I get the feeling that Labour is going to regret this bigtime? And it will. Has the man never heard of the words party discipline and collective responsibility, or does he think it doesn’t apply to his Chief Executiveness?

Perhaps a little OTT for a response to the question, but what an idiotic question. Its about time more of the poseurs of news media interviewers got put in their place.
Good on John – he has never been known to be a PC shrinking violet, and its a pity more people didn’t respond with ridicule to such ridiculous questions.

It seems that he definitely has a problem with women. Not a particularly positive trait to have as it gives an indication of what he may be like behind closed doors. If he broadcasts nasty comments like that what is he like in private?

Confronting and abusing journalists has short term gain – it attracts publicity. That can even help in the between election polls. But when it comes to the crunch people cast their minds back over the publicity and imagine how that behaviour would fit with sound governance and vote accordingly.

And the crunch – the election campaign, where media coverage is vital – journalists may also remember past behaviours.

And a stark contrast has been well noted in some quarters – Tamihere is being promoted (and is self promoting), while Cunliffe has been shoved forcefully into the background. Labour have demoted a strength and are promoting increased factional friction. That won’t help them get into Government. It’s no wonder Norman is pushing forward his strategy.

What a dumb question to ask someone. It sounds like John was correct, she was a stupid little girl. Where do they get these people from? Is there any qualifications required or do they just grab people off the street.

That’s surely the calibre of man we want running the country: A fuckwit who’s incapable of keeping it professional or being the bigger person, and instead flies off the handle with a barrage of cheap insults.

Clearly JT has been promoted one level above his competence, which would have been student union politics. You can do fairly well being a big-mouthed fuckwit in that arena..

Many of you print screeds of complaints about the babes in Nappies that pose as reporters and TV stars and moan like anything at their innane questions and interviews but the first time a Man steps up and tells it like it is you go all metrosexual and mamby pampy and run home to SWMO crying. Man up.
Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
The females are endeavoring to run the world.
They should be bringing up their kids properly.

Yes, its called having your own mind and not yielding to frantic attempts at intimidation and mind and speech control as exercised by the likes of screaming little totalitarian queers. (Such as is so well exampled on this thread)

Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
The females are endeavoring to run the world.
They should be bringing up their kids properly.

Yeah, men have done such a great job with running the world women should just butt out. And they should have their own internet where they can prattle away without interfering with the serious discussion of blokes.

Without the distraction of females men should be able to rustle up another world war, that’s a good way of cutting down the competition and then proving how good men are at building things. While women shut up and stay shut in their kitchens and nurseries, just like the good old days.

yes, and if anyone knows about “frantic attempts at intimidation and mind and speech control ” it’s certainly you, red.
Oh, and, of course, you also know all about “screaming little totalitarian queers”, don’t you now?

Probably a little OTT…but then few on here can understand how frustrated you get when reporters shove a microphone up your nose (sometimes almost literally) and ask inane questions…or questions you have answered or declined to answer several times.

I remember once when there was a leadership challenge to Rodney…I was party whip at the time…post caucus I was asked by the gaggle of reporters what had happened at the caucus. My reply was “That is a matter for caucus and I have no comment”. The question was repeated again and again until I replied “What part of ‘I have no comment on that issue’ do you not understand?” Result, widespread condemnation, including from my own leader. You can’t win sometimes.

You should have a whole lot of signs made up for common phrases like that and just pull them out as and when required. This avoids all the upset because then you don’t have to say anything at all while still answering the question, plus it gives a visual clue to TV viewers and any of the journos who don’t have an aural learning style.

Incidentally, interesting to see that the Associated Press is banishing the term “homophobic” from its style-guide. From the standards editor: “Homophobia especially — it’s just off the mark. It’s ascribing a mental disability to someone, and suggests a knowledge that we don’t have. It seems inaccurate.”

A small victory against the Soviet-styled manner in which the cultural left diagnoses disagreement with permissive sexual licence as a mental illness. A small victory – though – and not one that the NZ media is likely to take a lead from.

Here’s what National need to do. Sack all of their liberal press corp “advisers” that the idiot Key employs. They’re all fuckwit left wingers who have no idea what the party is meant to be about. (just like John Key actually)

Refuse to talk to the media. Don’t agree to be interviewed or undertake any debates or any of that kind of stuff in mainstream TV or radio or newspapers.

Use the money saved from sacking all of the advisers to run commercials and advertisements. Thereby completely by-passing the idiot pimply faced left wing prejudiced wimmen and queers and liberals who dominate the media.

The obvious flaw is that the Nats, if they were left to come up with it themselves, would have no idea what to put in their ads.

Their ideas don’t extend much further than “we can do socialism so so much better than those inefficient idiots in Labour.” Not a great message.

Ah, Red, that’s almost as good as the Gays being responsible for the Fall of the Roman Empire (instead of an inadequate taxation base, foreign mercenary domination of the late Roman Army, weak and unstable central control and severely compromised transport and trade routes) or the Sodom and Gomorrah myth. Newsflash? They didn’t really exist.

Although phobes tend to be prone to fantasising. What next? Are Us Heinous Somdomites therefore liable for Hurricane Sandy? 9/11? The Black Death? The end of the Dinosaurs?

Er, I mean that the Soviet Union routinely labelled dissidents from the governing ideology (Communism and state atheism) as being ‘mentally ill’ on the specious grounds that only someone mentally ill could have an ethical objection to that ideology.

In the same way, some people on the left – and from reading your comments I think you may be on such person – have a tendency to perform amatuer psychoanalysis on people who have different ethical perspectives to the prevailing conventional wisdom.

For example, you might not personally agree with the fact the Muslims do not eat pork – yet I don’t think you would call a Muslim a “porkophobe” – and yet you reach for in the case of people who hold to a different view of sexual ethics than you.

Actually Guy, I was once hospitalized for defending a homosexual friend from attack. That was a fair while ago.

Since then, I’ve tried to suppress my growing dislike for homosexuals as they try so hard to enforce speech and mind control and use made up words like homophobic to label dissenters and otherwise suppress debate, but I’m afraid I can’t help myself.

Every time I read the kind of Stalinist shit that contemptible little weasels like you write, my dislike for homosexuals grows ever greater.

Cato: In the case of pedophiles, zoophiles and necrophiles, they do constitute psychopathological paraphilias. As for ‘phobes, ever heard of the “exgay” movement? Talk about amateur “psychoanalysis”… and I have nothing against the Christianically Challenged. It’s an unfortunate condition, but fortunately, they don’t reproduce and they’re dying out gradually.

To enforce mind control, one has to have a mind to control in the first place. That leaves out most ‘phobes by definition. No wonder they’re against euthanasia- they’re frightened someone will out them as experiencing a permanent vegetative state themselves.

I genuinely want you to think about this – do you think that your unceasingly shrill tone will persuade anybody to be become more tolerant to homosexuals? I don’t. If someone is legitimately diagnosed as having a sexual disorder then they have my sympathy.

However, I remain unconvinced that you are uniquely credentialled to diagnose those who accept a religion that disagrees with homosexual acts as suffering from some crippling mental illness.

Okay so you’re gay. My advice to you is to get over it. Everyone else has.

Return the favour by getting over the fact that some of us are Catholics and Buddhists and Muslims and even non-religious people who dissent from the ethic of permissive licence.

What is it that JT has said that isnt True?
What is it that most people in the country dont agree with what hes said?

Can someone explain why idiot reporters ask stupid questions like “are you a mysoginist” of someone who is married to a female and to the best of my knowledge has never said anything that indicates he dislikes women. (and saying that an individual is stupid or fat or ugly isnt such evidence – some are actually fat or stupid or ugly. Kim dotcom is fat, Cunliffe is stupid (for not seeing that he was being set up) and at the moment I cant think of someone who is plain ugly but they must exist)

Much as I dislike Tamihere, a conformist, docile culture of “You can’t say THAT” is a creeping cancer in society. So I at least applaud his cutting through that particular bullshit. And Paula Bennett IS fat.

..and good advice too, but he won’t take it. Almost every comment he has ever written here has been underpinned by the plaintive declaration, “hey, I’m homosexual!” I don’t think that is going to change.

Such preoccupation with one’s self is why I suspect homosexuality is often just a result of some kind of extreme narcissistic disorder.

And don’t forget Red, an Oz paper found gays have a relationship history of around two years. Too promiscuous. And the system wants gays bringing up kids. UN anti family conspiracy of the highest order

Published 1971. Predicted everything of whats happening today. Including naming UN agenda 21 by that exact name

Also anything by Kiwi Barry Smith. Final Notice was his last book. The international business community flocked to him whilst the Beehive railed against him but now, as he warned, we are travelling like a bullet train down the privatisation track.

Homosexuality arises as a result of there being not enough testosterone in the mothers bloodstream during development of the foetus.
Babies born from such a mother all show female tendancies (as do females born of a mother with High testosterone in her system show male tendancies)

Now – although i feel sorry for you having the malady that you have – ITS NOT MY FAULT AND I RELLY DONT CARE about you gender tendancy.
If you really want to persue it, go have a talk to your mother and ask what weird foods she was on when you were developing. Was she short of protein in her diet? Was she a vegan? Was she eating heaps and heaps of processed foods?

Your homosexuality is almost certainly not genetic or normal – its a development of a deficiency when you were a foetus.

There was no problem with the question at all. The whole point of it was to see what sort of answer JT would give to such a provocative question. He gave the response Tova probably wanted and expected. Good for her. In the short term JT gets a boost as it has generated a fair amount of publicity and he scores points with the traditional blue-collar conservative Labour supporters. Longer-term, it puts him into a media conflict and he scuppers any chance of getting a decent nomination for 2014 with the party.

The trouble was Barry was grossly inaccurate with many ‘facts’ he presented;
TV’s have cameras inside them so you can be watched, nuclear weapons can only explode at certain places and certain times (vary rarely he said) etc etc etc

There is no way around the fact that these statements and many more were wrong.

Also ‘none dare call it conspiracy’ named the date of the second coming, and it didn’t happen.

Chardonnay: And just for completeness, I don’t hate you chaps or feel any need to bash you…I just don’t want to hear about certain practices which, sadly, are somewhat “in your face” (apt expression as I understand it) these days…

Are you aware that homosexuality WAS officially a mental illness until sometime in the sixties or early 70’s? Then societal attitudes changed, and it became just a different orientation. I am actually quite OK with that, but I do wonder about the old “slippery slope”…peadophilia may well be an orientation also…will that make it OK at some point? AMBLA think it’s perfectly peachy right now…

December 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Much as I dislike Tamihere, a conformist, docile culture of “You can’t say THAT” is a creeping cancer in society. So I at least applaud his cutting through that particular bullshit. And Paula Bennett IS fat.”

AND Sheila DICKSHIT had a funny name (to us westerners) AND Stephanie Mills had a moustache – Didn’t cutting through that bullshit get some guy the sack? Undeservedly in imho

David – I agree, shes a feisty one that one, loved her “zip it sweetie” quip in parliament the other day. Cant believe that got the media it did, however I suspect it won her more admirers than she previuosly had!

If I lived in Roseneath and was very proud of my local M.P. then I would, along with our host, dislike John Tamihere’s comments.
But I don’t live in Roseneath and am sure that Tamihere’s refreshing comments are the just the first step on the long road to recapturing the long ago lost votes of “Waitakere Man”.

Admit he’s bloody well right and that NZ has gone backwards from the day of equal pay and all the rest of that crap.
The females are endeavoring to run the world.
They should be bringing up their kids properly.

Yeah, men have done such a great job with running the world women should just butt out. And they should have their own internet where they can prattle away without interfering with the serious discussion of blokes.

Without the distraction of females men should be able to rustle up another world war, that’s a good way of cutting down the competition and then proving how good men are at building things. While women shut up and stay shut in their kitchens and nurseries, just like the good old days.
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Pete, in the sucessful families that I know its the man who leads the clan. May not be so at your place nor others, which is why you actually have no idea what you stand for, which is why you follow the soon to be again IRD minister for another different government.
Lack of principles upon which to base your faith and life.

Hiring Candy fodder to entertain people whist asking inane questions and making stupid statements is the level of TV in NZ. A few more pollies dishing out this stuff would be a good thing.

What a load of presumptuous crap V2. You have no idea how my family is, I haven’t discussed it here. All you’re doing is making shit up and throwing it.

Some patriarchal structures work fine for everyone in the family, some don’t. Some women are happy to be subservient to a male in a family, some aren’t.

And that has nothing to do with political attitudes nor principles. I’m happy to stand by the principles on which I base my views and conduct here. I’m clear about what I stand for, if you don’t understand something that’s alien to you that’s not my problem.