Things got alot more fast paced with 6.1. I find it to be better than MoP and certainly better than 6.0. You can actually vs any healer at high rating now, with a multitude of comps available. WIth the pacing being sorted I think this is one of the better starts to an expansion. People will always complain though. Like someone said earlier, people look back at wrath pvp especially and talks like it was perfect, even though there were just as much whining about the game back then. That's just human nature I guess. I'm atleast enjoying the game on a multitude of classes =)

outside of the occasional instagib and the outlier specs/abilities, what do people think about the changes though?

like, maybe we can have a useful discussion on aj general disc

just once

i will even remove the word 'worst' from the threads title

If just someone had the power to ban the useless two word posts, the offtopic, the personal feuds that seem to occur in every thread after 10 posts... ah, just imagine that. I think we could call these people "moderators" because they, y'know, moderate the discussion. But instead we need to plea for some common sense although most of the member of this site have demonstrated that they don't have that. Everything is always "the most op thing ever" and "my class is the worst". Literally 80% of people here are equally retarded as the people in the official forum, just on a higher level.

€: I can't comment on the balance because in every 3rd queue I get "Instance not found". Doesn't make much sense to queue like this.

Please dont remind me of the holocaust thats my trigger... Papa shwayzee took me in. He came to me as a priest of the light and told me I was destined for great things. He took me into his hotel room in new york and protected me from the evil Lock shaman regime, as he whispered into my ears "my boy, let me tell you something - i am a god. I have not heard of this hydra, nor this fuzion you speak of, they are mortals compared to me. No one has seen the light in the way I have". He kissed me on the cheek, and tucked me in. Sadly... The next day poor papa shwayzee forgot how to use trinket swap and guardian spirit. The nazis had taken over, and I watched him sent into the warlock shaman concentration camps, ruled by the evil Money Mike. The holocaust was rough on me... I have nightmares every day and mourn the loss of shwayz

We fought that team. We went like 5-1 or something. The 1 loss was we got gibbed in the opener not expecting Lone Wolf Marksman and a Hpally taking the Holy Shock glyph and popping literally every single poppable CD in the opener including bubbling a binding shot and trinketing a DR hoj. I died in 1.19 seconds from 50%.

Point is once we figured out they were more mongo than even hunterssds we just had to instantly pop defensives and they died 30 seconds later. I'm sure it was the same for Tymilla and his godcomp and anyone else that ran into them. What you linked isn't anywhere close to being an accurate reflection of 6.1.

Also a lot of the people that look at recount and see giant chimera's aren't realising that the cleave it does gets factored in so if 40k hits two people it will look like the highest damage it hit is 80k on recount

Top players frequently forget that the 2k and below bracket is already littered with cleave teams who run in, press every button and train one target. It's an easy play style that is very rewarding if the other team makes a few mistakes early on. It's also really frustrating and discouraging for inexperienced healers to deal with -- especially when their teammates are also inexperienced.

I fully expect that with no changes, and after a few weeks, some mage or warlock comp would be #1 at the highest level of play. Maybe WLS or whatever. However for the sake of not discouraging new players something like what is happening with jungle should be looked at.

Well if the player is retarded like him, you cant blame the game for it.

Just take Dilly as example. He hates combat the same way, but he can see more than just "Combat is retarded". He bashes BM Hunter the same way, while Glinks just thinks everything he loses too is op and he play the most skill requiring specc in the game with BM.