BAD: Pastor stabbed, robbed in own Church (Richmond, VA)

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Very sad for the "church" as a whole when this kind of crap goes on. One must always be vigilant about their own safety, especially in a soft place like a church where it is perceived that no one will fight back.

[RANT ON] As previously mentioned, no where is safe. Soceity has reached a point where every man and woman is for themselves. No regards for others, just a bunch of ME ME ME people out to get whatever they can with doing as little as possible.

Why not rob a church? Most people cannot mention God in school, at work, or anywhere else so people are being led to a belief God does not exist?[RANT OFF]

I'll weigh in...since I am a pastor... and since I've been in church when bad things started to happen... I've also read the press about when bad things did happen...like armed men having the children gather wallets at gun-point during a Christmas Eve service in Maryland a few years ago...

In Arkansas, CC is prohibited in a church unless the carrier is a FT LEO or the church has arranged to have an armed security service. The DA in my last hometown is very pro-CC, but is against carry at church... Even so, Arkansas has an affirmative defense for one carrying in one's place of business. He didn't like it, but he did agree that I would be covered under that provision. The DA where I live now may or may not agree.... I need to check.

I obviously have no problem with concealed carry...but I sure would hate to have to take a shot in a crowd... That's not the only issue. In my denomination, the denominational climate is opposed to carry. Most of my colleagues are opposed to carrying anywhere. They are so opposed that when we went to Tulsa for a retreat at a large church, they went nuts when they saw a reserve police officer working security...even with his badge on his belt next to his weapon. We talked about crime stats in that area since I used to live there. They didn't care!!!!!

So... Check your state's laws and your DA's disposition...as well a local and denominational sentiment. Unfortunately, most of being a pastor is about being a politician. I'd rather be alive for everyone to hail as a hero or to condemn (and/or convict) than myself or some innocent person be dead...but I have a good idea of the many probable consequences in my working environment.

If you are a lay person, do everyone a favor and start talking about physical security issues with fellow members and with your church's staff. I thinks such conversations will go better if they begin in the pews and work their way from there. Don't be surprised if the major opposition comes from your pastor(s)!

This did not happen during a service, even so, the BG's don't care if it's legal or moral to carry in church, open or concealed.
BTW, they won't be at the service, where they obviously belong.
The congregation doesn't hold a grudge, but wants to save the perpetrator.

I was Chaplain for fire, police and EMS.
I wore the visible Cross and a 1911, and saw no conflict in it.
I am living a quieter life now that I am older and graying, and I hope most sincerely to find a nearby congregation that welcomes CCW.
Ohio law prohibits carry into any church, synagogue, mosque or place of worship, without permission of said church, synagogue, mosque or place of worship ... so until I find a carry friendly church, I'm on my own.

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Doesn't surprise me in the least. The small church I grew up in as a kid had windows in the sanctuary that were riddled with patched bullet holes(Baltimore). As has already been stated, don't make the mistake of thinking a church is a safe-haven.