I don’t believe in their drivel. And I can demonstrate how their activity has a negative consequence on my life – it is therefore a statement based in fact. ]

And I don’t think you’ll get anywhere in terms of “hate speech” against a whole church – I really don’t think you have one iota of understanding about the piece of law that you are asserting. So lots of luck, you tedious little apologist. If you want to silence me by tying to use threats, all I’m going to do is laugh at you.

I don’t care what they worship. The moment they try and force it on me it becomes tyranny and I WILL fight back. Their freedom as you try to assert here is the freedom to cram their putrid cesspit of a faith into the lives of EVERYONE. Does that not compute to you?

I wondered how long your vocabulary would stretch until you fell back on the tired staple of putrid, bloody and cesspit.

Your statement was a disgusting attack on all Catholics – not just those against gay marriage. It was borderline on inciting religious hated.

Spew the hatred that you want and which seems to fall so readily from your lips. But if you continue to attack and invite attack on all Catholics then I will go further than merely reporting it on this board. Does that not compute?

You are such a nitpicking prat of a man. I use the language I know will pass the moderation here. Get off the bloody cross and stop being such an apologist little snotbubble. The RCC has been engaged in a co-ordinated attack on LGBT for a very long time and they deserve to be called out on it with all contempt.

If you think you can scare me, you are truly delusional. I despise the Roman Catholic Church for every act of violence, degradation and murder it has engaged in for centuries. I despise how it looked the other way and enabled the NSDAP, I despise how it collaborates in the covering-up of the most wretched of crimes. It is contemptuous to its very core.

And I disdain the followers since they both grant approval for it, and fund it.

ALL CATHOLICS are a member of the church. It’s not a democracy and never has been. You might have the intellectual dishonesty to wash your hands of the rancid and unsavoury things that they have done, and continue to do, but you ARE an enabler of it so long as you use their name, sit in their pews and give them your money.

You are just a bully. And a very nasty one. Your character is the same as those vicious right-wing people that leave comments on the Daily Telegraph website. You can never contain your temper and sadly cannot moderate it with any elegance; a toxic combination.

I sincerely hope that your vibrations extend no further than your apartment room and this internet website.

Filthy disgusting Catholic gay bashing bigot. Let’s remember that the Vatican signed a political treaty with Adolf Hitler, the “Reichskonkordat.” Let’s remember that the Vatican and Mussolini had a power sharing agreement. He gave them independent nation status and in exchange, they went along with his fascism (there were mandatory daily lessons in Catholicism in the Italian schools). Mussolini and the Church cooperated in demonizing WWII-era homosexuals and lesbians and getting them deported to concentration camps. At the site of the former concentration camp near Trieste, there is a memorial to gay Holocaust victims, but the Church has never acknowledged its role in the fate of those gay victims. Moreover, the Catholic-fueled Nazi movement claimed victims right in Paris, during the Vel d’Hiver round-up. At the end of the war, Vatican officials helped known Nazi war criminals to evade justice, through the “rat lines” to South America.

The Vatican officials took payment for those services, in the form of assets stolen from Holocaust victims. No Pope has ever allowed independent outside investigators to inventory the Vatican’s holdings in order to return the assets stolen from Holocaust victims to their rightful owners or to their descendants. The criminal Catholic Church uses its political gay-bashing as a distraction from its crimes.

I guess any man who ever dallied with someone so ugly of heart and countenance is bound to come out as gay, if he was in any way the slightest doubtful of his orientation… Hope she enjoyed her 25 years working in Gay night clubs because methinks that part of her career is now firmly in the past. No doubt the Roman Paedophilia Cult will now hire her to entertain the Naz1 padeophile enabling and protector pope and his cabal of old paedophile clerics…. No doubt they will enjoy her homophobic bigotry , but if she has any kids, (and by the look of her i doubt that), she should leave them at home for their own safety……

Born again cathollic my arse. It’s bad enough she was ever born once, stupid vile bitch.

How could anyone defend a paedophile cult destroying the lives of thousands of boys and girls while the perpetrators were protected by the equally guilty hierarchy for decades avoiding prosecution and the law, but yet considers itself having moral authority to make disgusting judgmental pronouncements about gays having access to a civil marriage which has absolutely nothing to do with any religion? I’d like to see a counter demonstration to punish the hierarchy fo crimes against humanity. See how they’d like a backlash against their own bigotry for a change. If there are 200,000 demonstrating against equal marriage, I can’t imagine there aren’t more than 200,000 that could demonstrate against the evil roman cult..

Same-sex marriage in France has became a pure political issue – that is exactly why public support for it, as for Socialists too, is lesser and lesser (47% in favor of marriage, 51% against adoption, according latest polls by ‘YouGov’). Main ideological opposition comes from Catholic Church (perhaps priests are very ‘shy’, in the first front are simple believers, because Church wish not that anti- gay marriage movement have very religious character in laicistic France); main logistical – from center-right party UMP (young activist on the street). Ironical both make Socialist battle for gay marriage easier: they can say, that its ‘simple’ democratic debate without cultural-religious roots, and participation of UMP give for this pure political character only: giving up on gay marriage now will be interpreted by public, political observers and media (even right like ‘Figaro’) as big political defeat – and this they wish avoid by every cost. Every ‘compromise’ now is impossible.

Be fair, could you post complex British political arguments in French on a French website.

I had to read it a couple of times but he is pointing out, I think that the debate is more political than religious as France is disestablished and a secular state. The fact that it is more political works in favour for the pro gay marriage side as losing it now would be seen as a big political defeat for the government. It is less of a cross party issue than in Britain, more polarised between the parties.

A cross party issue, I thought was when the issue crossed party lines so you had supporters and opposer’s in all or both parties. He is saying it is not like that. It is a party issue, as in UMP against and socialists for.

Exactly, thanks. Debate about same-sex marriage is interesting for UMP as very nice political opportunity to attack Socialists and preserve this ‘hot’ issue at least until next elections in France (2014, 2017). If they really wish that this project will be scrapped, they will be less laud and more ready for compromise (for example, eventual change of Constitution and Civil Code that makes be possible marriage without right to adopt). Only indeed clever strategy in this situation is ‘soft power’ – and this what exactly has did Catholic Church in silence of summer. They has lost. Manifestation of tomorrow is last argument of gay marriage opponents – as historical allusion on Catholic victory 1984 in the battle for independent religious schools. They have now very rich mentors (comes money from Vatican, Arabic countries or French companies? as I know, Catholic Church of France is not very rich), its clear. But in generally street in France all ways was tribune of opposition.

In June 2011 only 6 members of UMP has vote in favor of gay marriage bill, then proposed by Socialists. And only one member of UMP in the current French Parliament, who is at the moment very clear in favor of same-sex marriage, is Franck Riester,- but he is gay, only one openly gay (and incredible attractive) men in the current ‘Asemblee Nationale’, who comes out one year ago. Roselyn Bachlot, former minister of Health and supporter of Pacs 1999, is in favor too, but she is not more in the Parliament. Bruno Le Maire, former Minister of Agriculture, is in favor of marriage, but have some doubts on adoption (under French law right to marry means right to adopt too). Similar situation with Alaine Juppet, mayor of Bordeaux and founder of UMP, who was some time in favor of gay marriage, but has change recently his position after ‘long reflections on gay adoption’. End of the ‘gay friendly list’ in the UMP. At least for now.

The mobilisation of opponents of same-sex marriage in France in recent days is incredible big. And so many young people, attractive guys … They strategy: go to market places, metro stations etc., and give to people fly papers. What I have see in tv – reaction of people is more than favorable to anti-gay position, it is often openly homophobic (‘France must not be country of gays’ etc.). Very sad.

Frigide Barjot (her name) is just the most lying and homophobe person I ever saw in France. She said that we won’t be anymore male or female but homo, hetero or bi (a lie), she also said that the words “father” and “mother” will be deleted from the ‘code civil’ (another lie) and that the filiation will entirely change (guess what ? a lie !) and she DARE claim to not be homophobe ?

I’m ashamed to be French, thanks to her. I hoped some people would came in Paris with no homophobia, on the milion of persons who came. A delusion. The worst is, in 20 years she will said that the gay marriage is awesome.

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