Gray Area: Carrying on Federal Property?

This is a discussion on Gray Area: Carrying on Federal Property? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Everyone (hopefully) knows that carrying on federal property, such as in post offices, courthouses, etc. is illegal.
But, what about the property surrounding a federal ...

IMMOKALEE — Collier County sheriff’s deputies arrested an 18-year-old woman Friday after they say they found a shotgun inside the trunk of her car, which was parked in the Immokalee High School visitors lot.

If your going about your business - don't ask don't tell - I don't think anybody will bother you, but you are taking a chance.

The VA clinic down here sits on a lot that has other stores,the VA parking lot is divided by a drive thru,one side is VA property,the other side isn't I park on the Civilian side,I can't see where a shared parking lot could be claimed under the jurisdiction of the post office

If your going about your business - don't ask don't tell - I don't think anybody will bother you, but you are taking a chance.

That probably fell within the "1000 feet" of the school grounds.

As for the post office, I've seen some that have signs in the parking lot stating, basically, that the lot is the same as inside the building.
Never seen one in a lot that was shared with other businesses, though.

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As discussed in other threads the only carry that is prohibited by Statute is in "a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties." See the basic Federal Statute at TITLE 18 > PART I CHAPTER 44 § 930 . Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

OTOH -- many federal agencies have issued regulations banning gun possession anywhere on agency property, not just in buildings, but even in public parking lots (e.g., Postal Service, VA, etc) they are valid and often have criminal penalties.

Another BIG difference is that the statute requires posting.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

OTOH -- most federal agencies have issued regulations that do not require posting to send you to jail.

Why would a person not now that the parking lot to support a given building is not deemed to be part of that building?
Same as how the sidewalk/external entryway to that building or the roof of the building or the front/side/back lawn of that building is in fact part of the building & grounds.

Folks not seeing the forest for focusing on a single tree.

The law is _property_ not just the 'building'; "...a building or part thereof...".
Additionally 'property' means as at or within enclosures, within mechanical devices (such as govt owned motorvehicles) and on bodies of water that are applicable govt. owned too.

Duh.

There is no grey/gray about this, to folks whose glasses/contacts aren't smudged.

This thread came just in time. Wanted to ask about Kennedy Space Center. Were going there this Sunday. I believe its federal property, I dont intend on carrying on property. However it being federal property - does that mean I cant keep my pistol locked in a car vault?

Why someone would not believe the parking lot to a post office building is not part of the property and building makes no rational sense to me.
On the few times per year that I have need to go to the post office what I do is park _off_ their property at some adjacent private or public property that is lawful, disarm myself within the car, and then _walk_ myself onto and over to the USPS property (parking lot & building).

When on vacation last summer I ran into a scenario where the USPS building was in a shared lot with a community center & theater for the arts. I was armed.
What I did was drive through the parking lot past the postal service office and parked myself at the far end of the lot on the horizontal adjacent to a rear entrance/exit for the theater. I disarmed, and then exited to _wal_ myself down the sidewalk to and into the USPS building.

National Parks Too??

On topic I hope. Would anyone viewing please tell me where I might find out the latest on CC in National Parks. I've heard it was approved, then rescinded . . (hearsay I know). Wouldn't want to screw-up on that one either.
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