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I don't think you should spoil recent episodes of ongoing series for people who might not have watched them yet in unrelated threads such as this.

One cliche that I really think needs to go is the "comic relief male friend" in every harem/school-based comedy. These characters usually don't contribute anything to the show expect to act as a counterweight to the mysteriously sexually disinterested lead. They're annoying, unnecessary, usually not even remotely funny, and overused doesn't even come close to describing their prevalence.

I don't think you should spoil recent episodes of ongoing series for people who might not have watched them yet in unrelated threads such as this.

One cliche that I really think needs to go is the "comic relief male friend" in every harem/school-based comedy. These characters usually don't contribute anything to the show expect to act as a counterweight to the mysteriously sexually disinterested lead. They're annoying, unnecessary, usually not even remotely funny, and overused doesn't even come close to describing their prevalence.

Why is it popular? No idea. I guess it might just be a difference in culture. I'm willing to concede that it might just be me "not getting" it.

I am not getting it either. I am also of the opinion that the stereotype, or rather a character that is modelled after this stereotype must offer something other being the clown of the class who will always end ALONE in the end of the show.. Which is why I found Junpei Iori in Persona 3 so endearing, I know it is a video game, but he is the more interesting take on the stereotype if not the most. He actually have issues, doubts and a love interest! He is the best thing to have ever happened to that character type.

Notable exceptions: None, unless you count those that avert this trope.

What makes it popular: I have absolutely no idea. Is it a cutural thing or do writers think the otaku males like to be mistaken for perverts?

Reason that I hate it: It's annoying as hell because it reinforces the stereotype that All Men Are Perverts in the most eniterly unjustifiable way..

Is the hate really worth it?: Comedy is such a subjective issue. What's funny for some may not be funny for others. If people really think it's funny then I suppose I can deal with that. Otherwise I'm going to hate it until the writers finally wise up.

What is it?: Just in time to the rescue. The good guy (or often the bad as well) is about the get shot or slashed with a sword, but not to worry. Someone literally appears out of nowhere in between to stop the attack.

Worst offenders: All battle shounen use this trick. Especially One Piece has taken this to all new heights lately. Many other genres as well.

Notable exceptions: I'm afraid to list them as there's always going to be one.

What makes it popular: Suspense, I guess. Or comebacks.

Reason that I hate it: It's usually a very cheap way to ruin battle coreography and ruins shows that want their plots taken seriously.

Is the hate really worth it?: It depends much on the situation and the type of show. There should at least be a hint that the person is nearby and doesn't appear out of thin air. It doesn't hurt so much if it's more of a tongue-in-cheek show.

1. accadent yuri/yaoi - when two girls/boys kiss because of a misshap.

2. young protags - seriously... why? why do so many animes have to star children now? oh.. wait.. its japan.. nevermind

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I don't think you should spoil recent episodes of ongoing series for people who might not have watched them yet in unrelated threads such as this.

One cliche that I really think needs to go is the "comic relief male friend" in every harem/school-based comedy. These characters usually don't contribute anything to the show expect to act as a counterweight to the mysteriously sexually disinterested lead. They're annoying, unnecessary, usually not even remotely funny, and overused doesn't even come close to describing their prevalence.

I'm gonna steal from Genten here and post a rant on tsunderes because they frustrate me as well.

What is it?: Tsunderes. I want to be specific here in that I'm referring only to characters that are attracted to a male character and know that they feel that way but refuse to let it show and instead are hostile to the point of being violent. I don't count characters that are initially hostile because they have other emotional issues and later warm up to a character, nor am I referring to characters that are cool or indifferent, the kuudere. Tsunderes in my mind run hot and are violent despite their attraction to somebody.

Worst Offenders: Louise of Zero no Tsukaima always sticks out to me as the most un-redeemable example but Houki of Infinite Stratos has been getting on my nerves lately and I was not a fan of Taiga of Toradora!

Variants: Characters like the kuudere that are cool or indifferent to somebody they actually like I personally find endearing. It's the openly hostile characters that get on my nerves.

Why is it Popular?: If I understood this maybe it wouldn't annoy me so much. I do know that some people find a girl who can't be honest with herself cute. They like it when a guy can push a girl's buttons. I also have a suspicion that some people like the idea that girls who are hostile to them secretly have a crush on them.

Reasons why I hate it: How much time do we have? A lot of what turns me off to the tsundere is what I see as the origin of their hostility. They like a guy, they know they like a guy, but they refuse to show it. It often feels like this stems from a feeling that the guy they like is inferior. "How the heck could I like that loser?" The tsundere either personally considers the guy inferior, or her friends do. If it's the former then why are you attracted to him? Maybe he's not as inferior as you thought. If it's the latter then why are you hanging out with people like that? I just find a character that displays such an attitude to be completely unsympathetic.

The other major issue with tsunderes is that once they make the transformation from tsun to dere all is forgiven. If I was in such a position I would not forgive somebody so easily. I would be thinking "You treated me like crap for months (even years) and now you expect me to return your feelings? Fat chance." But for some reason as soon as the tsundere shows her soft side it's all rainbows and unicorns and nobody ever calls her out for the BS she put everybody through leading up to this. I can't stand to see characters like that get a free pass because some people think they're cute.

Notable Exceptions: Fujibayashi Kyou of CLANNAD is the only tsundere character I've encountered that I could really get behind. (not like that you pervert) Her tsun side was not particularly violent (towards Tomoya anyway). She beat the crap out of Sunohara regularly but she didn't like him and he usually deserved it. She didn't lash out to hide her feelings but instead was only hostile when she was trying to protect Ryou or Botan, which made her tsun side feel much more realistic and legitimate than the typical tsundere.

Spoiler for Clannad Kyou OVA/VN spoilers:

She also had good reason to deny her attraction to Tomoya since she was trying to set him up with Ryou at the time. She had agreed to help her go out with Tomoya and she refused to sabotage that by admitting her attraction to Tomoya. It was never a matter of making Tomoya look bad but rather her denial of her feelings was to help somebody else. This made it much easier to forgive her when she finally admits her attraction to Tomoya and they start dating at the end of her VN route.

Lol, Dasdingus, you beat me to that rant. While I don't hate that archtype completely , the really bad ones truly suck... and not in the hentai way, unless it's a bad fanfiction. Usually the more tsun heavy ones tend to be very bad. And they frequently have annoying voices... The Rie Kugimiya screechy kind is frequently ear rape.*

*No not all of her characters, just that's the first thing that comes to mind. It's mostly just Louise.

Anyhow let me find something to rant about. Umm...

Panty shots!

Worst Offender: Stuff like Ikkitousen, or just watch any Gonzo anime, like FMP season 1.

Variants: Saki, because it doesn't seem like they even are wearing them. Also, any pervert camera angled shots follow the same concept.

What makes it popular: People like fanservice.

Reason that I hated it: It's almost always out of place most of the time. Usually I don't mind fanservice that expresses how sexy the characters are too much but panty shots always give me the vibe of a pervert and many cases pedo cameraperson because they always come from stupid angles. And in many cases, it's not even sexy. I don't really care about the color of their underwear. And by the way they draw boobs, I really don't care for their naughty bits.

Occasional jokes about it are funny. Blatant and extremely pointless ones that distract from the actual plot is very grating.

Tl;DR Gratuitous and it's not even exciting.

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I always thought Mikoto wore shorts underneath to deal with that crap.

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I suppose it could hurt. I did not like the first half of Railgun at all, as I felt there was too much fluff and fanservice, but I'm just not a huge fan of the Index series . I don't think these things really show up with alarming frequency so it doesn't get my hate.

But imagine my dismay when people told me there were panty shots in Nanoha. (Oh nos call the FBI) I didn't notice them at first, and well... was not pleased. If they're not noticeable, then it can't bother me.

So it's either frequency (pretty much any ecchi anime out there) or extreme inappropriateness. The 1st season of Full Metal Panic would give us panty shots at the worst moments. Shana doesn't really have that many, but the few that are kinda disruptive because they happen during fights. But at least that makes more sense with all that jumping around.

I also admit to be instantly turned off with that one scene in Bakemongatari's start.

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I suppose it could hurt. I did not like the first half of Railgun at all, as I felt there was too much fluff and fanservice, but I'm just not a huge fan of the Index series . I don't think these things really show up with alarming frequency so it doesn't get my hate.

But imagine my dismay when people told me there were panty shots in Nanoha. (Oh nos call the FBI) I didn't notice them at first, and well... was not pleased. If they're not noticeable, then it can't bother me.

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One cliche that I really think needs to go is the "comic relief male friend" in every harem/school-based comedy. These characters usually don't contribute anything to the show expect to act as a counterweight to the mysteriously sexually disinterested lead. They're annoying, unnecessary, usually not even remotely funny, and overused doesn't even come close to describing their prevalence.

Adding to the Tsundere rant, I find it extremely annoying when they have a second love interest that actually deserves them more. You know, Girl A kicks the hell out of him, Girl B bakes him a cake. Girl A only just noticed he exists, Girl B has loved him since childhood. Girl A: "Fine, I guess I'll let you carry my stuff." Girl B:"I'm happy just being by your side."
And somehow Girl A is supposed to be sympathetic. I think the worst of these is when the tsun is the main character, so she wins completely by default, like in Familiar of Zero (where pretty much anyone is better than Louise) and B Gata H Kei (where Yamada is, well, Yamada).

In the interest of adding something new, though, I'll say I hate onsens. Yes, I hate bath scenes. Now don't get me wrong, partial nudity is usually great, but damn if there isn't a bath scene in every anime. Even when it makes no sense, even when the series is dark as hell, somehow, if there is a female character in the show, she will, at some point, enter a bath house. Some series will even produce entire episodes just for this.

Now don't get me wrong, partial nudity is usually great, but damn if there isn't a bath scene in every anime. Even when it makes no sense, even when the series is dark as hell, somehow, if there is a female character in the show, she will, at some point, enter a bath house. Some series will even produce entire episodes just for this.

There are a few shoujo anime that do not have onsen scenes.

A few....

Oh, come to think of it, I don't think any of the Key series had them? The only Key series I've completed is Angel Beats but I know that didn't have one.

Well I can't deny the fact that they partially, or possibly fully dedicate 1 entire episode to extreme fanservice for the sake of reasons I don't know myself but there are some animes that don't have an onsen episode. Like Chiibi said, Angel Beats doesn't have one, Clannad doesn't, I don't know about the other Key series myself but I think they don't have one. But you are also accurate by pointing out that "alot" of animes have this.

Okay, enough with cooking. Finally I came with better but more controversial idea...

What it is?: Anti-feminist shoujo heroines/shows/mangas

Spoiler for space:

Worst offenders: Any mangas authored by Shinjou Mayu though some other shoujo authors are responsible too

Notable exceptions: Princess 9. The only shoujo(though dubiously) show that actually try to be feminist, or at least sort of

Variants: Girls and women who become victims of their own romance/willing to become slave for their lovers

What makes it popular?: Why bother to free yourself from creepy, cold-hearted, bully but good-looking boy or androgynous-looking man while you can be his slave instead. My heart already belong to him.

Why I hated it: It is ironic that lots of male-oriented shows which are always panned for sexualization of women and teenage girls are actually more "feminist" than those of the female-oriented ones. As example Taishou Yakyuu Musume is obviously many times more feminist than any shoujo mangas you can think off. I was amazed why shoujo couldn't do such things. Maybe because of the sales. Fans just want to see hot guys, regardless how evil and asshole they are. Not girls who fighting for their own rights. Of course women are equally guilty as their male counterparts when it comes to this issue.

Does the hate really worth it?: Of course it is. I will continue hating this cliche as long as I keep breathing or better still, as long as there are sun and moon.

Don't bash, but being so popular among girls should tell you something about at least modern feminists.