If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

...I called a local guy who sells powder out of his house and he had some of both, so I bought a pound of each...

35W

Wish I had that here!

Thanks for posting this thread as its nice to have options. I saw some Steel and 410 in a GS recently-the only non-muzzle loader powders in stock-but didn't buy either because the label said it was for shotguns. After coming home, I wish I'd bought either because Steel is a medium speed powder and 410 is slow similar to IMR4227. Oh well.

There's a thread here on using Alliant Steel. I've loaded 410 shotshells some and it generally uses powders such as 2400 or H110/W296, so that'll give you an idea of the burning rate/characteristics of AL410.

There's a thread here on using Alliant Steel. I've loaded 410 shotshells some and it generally uses powders such as 2400 or H110/W296, so that'll give you an idea of the burning rate/characteristics of AL410.

Hello everyone! This is my first post on the forum after lurking around for awhile. There sure is a wealth of knowledge amongst all the members and I hope to be able to lean a bit for everyone in time.

This particular thread caught my eye with regards to the use of 20/28 with certain loads. I'm somewhat new to the metallic stuff but well versed in the shot shell department. That said I've been having an issue, much like everyone else, sourcing pistol powders but I do have nearly 12lbs of 20/28 on hand.

Has anyone done any further testing with the 20/28? Or have some load data they might like to share? Based on the OP's results this could be a great solution to my current powder shortage. BTW, I'm currently using .38's with 158g swc over 3.0g of Unique.

I have been curious about alliant 410.... It is right next to 2400 on hogdons burn rate chart, but on other charts, it is not listed, and on some others like ramshots burn rate chart it is way different, and then you check sites like reloaders bench burnrate chart, it is on the bottom of slow.... I bought a large jug of it but have been reluctant to try it.... Cant find any loads using it on loaddata.... So feel free to chime in here....

I might as well bite the bullet, sorry. I really want some Bullseye. But I think the only way to make it appear on the market is to buy enough of one of these substitutes to make it worth the dang hazmat charge. Then everybody will have Bullseye on the shelves. Least that's the way my luck usually runs. So I'm really doing for you guys.

I have been curious about alliant 410.... It is right next to 2400 on hogdons burn rate chart, but on other charts, it is not listed, and on some others like ramshots burn rate chart it is way different, and then you check sites like reloaders bench burnrate chart, it is on the bottom of slow.... I bought a large jug of it but have been reluctant to try it.... Cant find any loads using it on loaddata.... So feel free to chime in here....

AG

The chart I looked at said it was about the same speed as IMR4227. I'm low on 296 and the only other pistol powders I have are Unique and some Goex 3F. Wish I had bought that 410 when I had the chance but I didn't.

I emailed Alliant about that the same time I asked about 20/28 burn rate compared to Unique. The answer for 20/28 was that it was pretty darn close to Unique but no testing had been done on 410 in relation to 2400 as an alternate powder or something to that effect as I also had the same idea. I was hoping that the same person that posted the initial 20/28 comparison to Unique data would take up both Steel and 410 to see what was what but I don't think this has been done yet.
I don't have a chrono so I would be looking at pressure signs only and don't feel comfortable testing new powder in an application without 2, seperate ways to see what the powder is doing such as velocity spikes and pressure signs

NRA Benefactor Life

Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
BastiatThe further society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it
George Orwell

Agreed.... I dont have a chrono either, and am just a bit hesitant.... Plus being remote like i am, i tend to take fewer chances these days.... When i had to be medivaced a couple years ago, that bill for a 45 min flight to the hospital was over $30,000.00 and insurance did not cover it.... Ouch... That hurt worse then the thing i was medivaced for...lol

I used a couple of Kilos of REX 0 and REX 3 in my .45's with great success, both are not recommended for this caliber. At the time I picked it up for $20 a Kilo. Just found the old can I got it for $10 a Kilo FYI I used Unique data for REX 3 and Bullseye data for REX 0 for my starting loads I STARTED WITH THE LOWEST LISTED LOAD, THEN I ADDED 0.2 GRAINS UNTIL THEY WOULD RELIABLY EJECT AND CYCLE THE PISTOL. I didn't own a chronograh at the time and was just looking for practice ammo.

Last edited by ravelode; 01-26-2014 at 09:03 AM.
Reason: correction/addendum

I wonder if the Alliant 410 is anything like the AA4100??? I see some data in Lyman 49th for the AA4100 in "magnum" big-bore calibers like 480 Ruger, etc.

As mentioned above, Solo 1000 has quite a following in the USPSA/IPSC crowd running minor power factor loads. I think, though, there have been pressure spikes for some people wanting to use the Solo 1000 for making major PF loads. IIRC, a call to the distributor warned them away from pushing max loads with it.

I was looking for AA4100 info, too. That and Longshot are all my local gun shop has in stock, and I just bought a new Ruger GP100 (non-catalogued 38 special 3" with ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS) that I need to feed. also load 357 mag for my father. Can't find much tested info for longshot and almost none for 4100. I', shooting 155 gr SWCGC and 173 grain Keith bullets.

I was looking for AA4100 info, too. That and Longshot are all my local gun shop has in stock, and I just bought a new Ruger GP100 (non-catalogued 38 special 3" with ADJUSTABLE SIGHTS) that I need to feed. also load 357 mag for my father. Can't find much tested info for longshot and almost none for 4100. I', shooting 155 gr SWCGC and 173 grain Keith bullets.

I got some Longshot recently to use in place of 2400 because I couldn't find any. The info I read various places on the web showed it had a very similar burn rate as 2400 with similar amounts. I've only used it in my 303 British to launch 224g boolits but it worked pretty good for that. Will try it in my 44 mag eventually.

Good info in this thread. I've settled on Green Dot as a universal handgun powder that is available when everything else is sold out. It's the best powder I've found for 9mm and cast.

I have to agree that Green Dot works for 9mm and cast.
I have been using Green Dot recently in my 9mm under a Lee 120 tc with outstanding results. I purchased it when I couldn't find anything else.
I found an older Alliant load manual that listed almost all Alliant powders for pistol use and used that data. Worked like a charm.