and yes i did leave out matt leinart. he will not be that great in the nfl. i did leave out ngata only b/c bunkley is better. chad jackson will be good but these others are destined to be great.

Wow, that is ridiculous that you left off Matt Leinart with Jay Cutler and Vince Young ahead of him. I'm so sick of all the talk about Young. I can't wait to see him try to play the same way as he did and college and fail miserably. What has Jay Cutler done to make everyone so high on him? He played for a very bad Vanderbilt team which made him look a lot better than he is.

Matt Leinart is a proven winner and will be the best NFL QB of this bunch. He lost 2 games as a starter in college football and was the most accurate QB throughout those years. He is such a pure pocket passer which is slowly becomming a lost art. I would love to have Matt on any team I was running.

And for the record, Brodie Croyle is a better QB than Vince Young.

Alex44

04-24-2006, 09:51 PM

Wow, that is ridiculous that you left off Matt Leinart with Jay Cutler and Vince Young ahead of him. I'm so sick of all the talk about Young. I can't wait to see him try to play the same way as he did and college and fail miserably. What has Jay Cutler done to make everyone so high on him? He played for a very bad Vanderbilt team which made him look a lot better than he is.

Matt Leinart is a proven winner and will be the best NFL QB of this bunch. He lost 2 games as a starter in college football and was the most accurate QB throughout those years. He is such a pure pocket passer which is slowly becomming a lost art. I would love to have Matt on any team I was running.

And for the record, Brodie Croyle is a better QB than Vince Young.

:lol: :sidelol:

Bad teams dont make you look better in football, they make you look like an idiot

I'm curious as to why you think Degory will fall to the 7th? I see him in the 5th round area. Just wondering.

I'm actually glad you asked because I can't explain on my sig. Basically it is this:

1) Last year there was a player with similar talent named Ben Wilkerson LSU, now I know Wilkerson had some injury issues, however even with those he was ranked the 3rd best center in the draft by many experts. However Wilkerson was not even drafted.

2) This year Degory is ranked either 4th or 5th best Center in the draft behind Mangold, Eslinger, Chester and possibly Cook. nfldraftcountdown has Degory ranked 4th best, ESPN scouts inc has him ranked 9th best center in the draft....not even draftable. GBNreport has his as 5th best center in the draft.

3) His overall ranking according to nfldraftcountdown is 189, gbn 117, espn not even on the charts of ranking. 189 = 20th pick in the 6th round, very close to our pick in the 7th round (212). 117 gbn which hasn't really updated their overall rankings because they have him 5th best but that doesn't go with their overall rankings but 117= 20th pick in the 4th round. I would be very suprised if he went in the 4th round. ESPN doesn't have him in the top 150 so my guess if he's the 9th best center, is that he's ranked even lower than 189.

There are other sites and work I've done on my mock and some is my opinion, some research etc but 7th round Mike Degory....pull the trigger....he'll be there.

Aqua4Ever04

04-24-2006, 11:10 PM

Hey newlownorder, I don't really understand that mock in your sig. I highly doubt we go with 2 offensive guys on the first day. Can you explain as to why you think that?

ronniethetruck

04-24-2006, 11:21 PM

michael huff. im hoping huff fals down to 16, i will be jumpin for joy :D

Hey newlownorder, I don't really understand that mock in your sig. I highly doubt we go with 2 offensive guys on the first day. Can you explain as to why you think that?

You absolutly right about two offensive players Jackson and Spencer being drafted in the 1st day. If you have seen any of my other mocks I had Pat Watkins S at that point and I've very torn between Spencer and Watkins. Here's a name we should remember Wroten DT LSU. He was once considered a 1st round pick, slipped alittle bit to the beginning of the 2nd round, now its been said that he's failed a drug test which could make him slip even more so it's possible he could fall all the way to the 3rd. Another name would be Kyle Williams DT, I know Saban said he would like to look at DT so it wouldn't be a shock to me to see Williams drafted by us in either the 3rd or 4th round. I know we have looked at Spencer more than once so it wouldn't suprise me if Saban took him in the 3rd round if available. So call it my man crush on Spencer being the best available player mixed with my believe that our S position isn't as bad as people say, mixed with we have horrible guard depth. It will probably be D, I really don't think saban will wait til the 2nd day to draft the d. Also note that I believe the dolphins will trade down in this draft, maybe not the 1st round pick, but 3rd or 4th round....and that I cannot foresee.

*This is how I feel these guys will perform in the NFL, it's not based on potential. If based off potential Bush and Young would be at the top. Bush will not be an every down back, he'll be an all around great football player. AJ Hawk and Michael Huff are the 2 safest picks in this draft IMO. Hawk will be a tackling machine that can play sideline to sideline. Urlacher type player.

I'm actually glad you asked because I can't explain on my sig. Basically it is this:

1) Last year there was a player with similar talent named Ben Wilkerson LSU, now I know Wilkerson had some injury issues, however even with those he was ranked the 3rd best center in the draft by many experts. However Wilkerson was not even drafted.

2) This year Degory is ranked either 4th or 5th best Center in the draft behind Mangold, Eslinger, Chester and possibly Cook. nfldraftcountdown has Degory ranked 4th best, ESPN scouts inc has him ranked 9th best center in the draft....not even draftable. GBNreport has his as 5th best center in the draft.

3) His overall ranking according to nfldraftcountdown is 189, gbn 117, espn not even on the charts of ranking. 189 = 20th pick in the 6th round, very close to our pick in the 7th round (212). 117 gbn which hasn't really updated their overall rankings because they have him 5th best but that doesn't go with their overall rankings but 117= 20th pick in the 4th round. I would be very suprised if he went in the 4th round. ESPN doesn't have him in the top 150 so my guess if he's the 9th best center, is that he's ranked even lower than 189.

There are other sites and work I've done on my mock and some is my opinion, some research etc but 7th round Mike Degory....pull the trigger....he'll be there.

It would surprise me if he were there, but I'd be happy. I think he lacks the tools to be a star, but he has the upside of a starter and would definitely be a nice backup G/C with his size and ability. He needs to improve his hand placement and his functional core strength, but he has the tools to play in the NFL and be a starter.

newlownorder

04-25-2006, 07:01 PM

It would surprise me if he were there, but I'd be happy. I think he lacks the tools to be a star, but he has the upside of a starter and would definitely be a nice backup G/C with his size and ability. He needs to improve his hand placement and his functional core strength, but he has the tools to play in the NFL and be a starter.

Yeah, you never know cause alot of people last year thought Wilkerson would be a 3rd round pick, 4th rounder easy and didn't get drafted. He's a very good backup G/C for a team, I'm not convinced Wade Smith is a perfect fit for Center. He at least provides us with some guard/center depth that we need. I also think he has problems with strength and hand placement but he's a smart guy and the hand placement will come with help from houck, the strength will come in time, he needs to just hit the weights, has alot of potential to be a solid starter with the right teaching.