I picked up a pair of the Commuter Cargos and they're pretty much the worst pants i've ever owned. Weirdly heavy feeling because each pocket is actually two pockets (envelope style and a snap pocket...

I haven't found tubing to make that much of a difference, once you're out of the gaspipe range. I've got bikes with tange ultimate, 4130, ishiwata 019, reynolds 531, and god knows what else, and they...