Why do we put up with politics if it is all lies. We all hold each other to standards, why are politicians allowed to lie, and or worse. If I screwed you over in a deal/trade/sale here on GL4x4, I would be crucified by everybody on this board.

So again, why do we put up with it, isn't our Country more important then some item being bought and sold?

77% of households will pay higher taxes. The government will add 3.9 trillion more to the debt. Incomes of 50,000 will pay an additional 1000.00 a year in taxes. 620 billion in tax hikes. 15 billion in cuts and $1 in cuts for every $41 in taxes.
Pretty sad outlook.

Everyone that pays for anything is paying more in taxes. 100% of the US population is paying more in taxes. If you pay your electric bill you are paying more in taxes. They are just hidden in the cost of your electricity, or groceries, or fuel, or whatever. Taxes never go down. They just call them something else.

And I'm sick of the "black and white" crowd that will dig in and refuse to budge at all because of some ill-advised promise or pledge they made to get themselves elected, even if it means driving the economy into the ditch.

The pledge isn't what is driving the economy into the ditch, the insane spending is. The pledge is a promise made to voters like me who actually want fiscal responsibility back in government. I understand that liberals don't understand promises, or the benefit in keeping them, but how is it bad to actually do what you promise?

A great example of the spending is the Hurricane Sandy relief bill that is in excess of 60 billion dollars. Barely half goes to actual victims of Hurricane Sandy. Some goes to Guantanamo Bay, some to Alaska, some to NASA,,,, If you need money for these other causes, ask for it, don't hide it inside of something that is emotionally charged knowing that the media will strictly report that the horrible don't care about New York and New Jersey.

True, but how does that equal "no" tax hike on the middle class? Just because he did it, he can lie about it?

They believe they can get away with saying they haven't raised taxes on the middle class because they haven't raised "income taxes" which is generally what the politicians (R's and D's) like to focus on in their campaigns and press releases.

They believe they can get away with saying they haven't raised taxes on the middle class because they haven't raised "income taxes" which is generally what the politicians (R's and D's) like to focus on in their campaigns and press releases.

The pledge isn't what is driving the economy into the ditch, the insane spending is. The pledge is a promise made to voters like me who actually want fiscal responsibility back in government. I understand that liberals don't understand promises, or the benefit in keeping them, but how is it bad to actually do what you promise?

A great example of the spending is the Hurricane Sandy relief bill that is in excess of 60 billion dollars. Barely half goes to actual victims of Hurricane Sandy. Some goes to Guantanamo Bay, some to Alaska, some to NASA,,,, If you need money for these other causes, ask for it, don't hide it inside of something that is emotionally charged knowing that the media will strictly report that the horrible don't care about New York and New Jersey.

Boehner promised to bring that bill to a vote before the session of Congress ended, but ended up breaking that promise, in part because of all the excess spending you mentioned. Would you rather him have kept his promise?

Boehner promised to bring that bill to a vote before the session of Congress ended, but ended up breaking that promise, in part because of all the excess spending you mentioned. Would you rather him have kept his promise?

I don't remember him promising to vote on the Sandy bill until yesterday. Prior to that it seemed clear that the people in congress had something else to work on, like letting Americans keep more of their money. There is no emergency need for the Sandy money as FEMA has enough money already to cover all costs until something like the end of March. They need to fix this bill before willy-nilly giving away more money that they don't have.

Bottom line is, yes - when someone makes me a promise, I expect them to keep it. When those people sign a contract, even one that is more symbolic than legally binding, I expect them to remember it longer.

The pledge isn't what is driving the economy into the ditch, the insane spending is. The pledge is a promise made to voters like me who actually want fiscal responsibility back in government. I understand that liberals don't understand promises, or the benefit in keeping them, but how is it bad to actually do what you promise?

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Originally Posted by Strider

A great example of the spending is the Hurricane Sandy relief bill that is in excess of 60 billion dollars. Barely half goes to actual victims of Hurricane Sandy. Some goes to Guantanamo Bay, some to Alaska, some to NASA,,,, If you need money for these other causes, ask for it, don't hide it inside of something that is emotionally charged knowing that the media will strictly report that the horrible don't care about New York and New Jersey.

Get out of here with your logic and reason!

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Originally Posted by Strider

I don't remember him promising to vote on the Sandy bill until yesterday. Prior to that it seemed clear that the people in congress had something else to work on, like letting Americans keep more of their money. There is no emergency need for the Sandy money as FEMA has enough money already to cover all costs until something like the end of March. They need to fix this bill before willy-nilly giving away more money that they don't have.

Bottom line is, yes - when someone makes me a promise, I expect them to keep it. When those people sign a contract, even one that is more symbolic than legally binding, I expect them to remember it longer.

Remember when a man's word and a handshake were considered a contract?

Remember when a man's word and a handshake were considered a contract?

I do remember those days, but not because of any politician. I remember those days based on many transactions on this site, and with other regular people who still care about their reputations and their honor.

Here's a shocker! The bill "averting the fiscal cliff" is loaded with deals for special interests including Hollywood, race track owners/builders, and alternative energy "producers". These are all things added to a necessities-only bill. Wonder why the original bills were worthless? If this is scaled down corporate welfare, what was the full blown package?

I'd like to know how many members of congress actually read this crap before they signed it. Like the obamacare bill, I'm guess none of them have actually read it even now.

They call that "compromise". Something that used to be considered a good thing, but is now thought of as a terrible thing. I'm glad to see it happen.

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The social security tax was only reduced for two years. It was a gimmick that has run its course, now back to normal.

We now return you to your normally scheduled tax whining.

not a politician so bear with me ...

so was the "temporary" tax cut we just "gave back" supposed to fix something? if not why give it back to the government now? I thought that social security is stilled a doomed program? why not keep the tax break around till they come up with a viable proposal to fixing social security? I really appreciate that extra 10% or so of my weekly income being there.

so was the "temporary" tax cut we just "gave back" supposed to fix something? if not why give it back to the government now? I thought that social security is stilled a doomed program? why not keep the tax break around till they come up with a viable proposal to fixing social security? I really appreciate that extra 10% or so of my weekly income being there.

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The 2% break was supposed to make you feel so good about the economy that you'd go out and spend everything you had and that would get everything moving again.

Social Security is still doomed unless drastic measures are taken, and no one wants to take those measures.

If you got 10% something went wrong. You'll need to give some on that back.