well Mark there are those that are able to do real work in the real world with our own hands that dont let thoughts of physics limit there use of the practical. If you ever had to frame a house you would figure it out real quick!!!!

Hi Mark,
I think you can tell we are just having a laugh, while i enjoyed your thread a while ago until it got stupid, Bruce and myself know each other very well and are only having some fun.
Don't take everything so seriously in speycasting as there is enough bullshit, have some fun and enjoy it.
Cheers Popeye.
DTX Pro Staff.

Just got word that it is supposed to ship today! So, who know's how long that should take, coming from the UK?

Bruce, have a sinking or intermediate line I could try? You've said it before that's one of the areas the UK rod really shines and differs in it's ability, verses a US designed rod, to pick up deep sunk lines.

Hi James,
Its all about the marketing, only kidding......... i am sure you will love the rod and hope you catch some really big fish on it, it will lift a sunk line out of the water no problem.
I really should find out where that 13ft Norway Speycaster is, it must be at a buddies house in BC.

I have decided to kinda dip out of all the Speycasting forums in the US and Canada, except this one...... i like you guys.
Cheers James.
Gordon.

Hi Speyspaz,
Can't be bothered with the same crap over and over again on the formula one site, better here or better still ............ oot fishin.

Here is a little bit from a couple of early documents and books but i won't bother posting else where.

What happened in the early 1800s, among other things, was that more and more (increasingly urban) people learned to fish from less direct sources. The publishing and printing revolution of that century enabled a huge increase in the number of books on every subject, and a greater and greater specialization among the books. More and more people needed to know the basics of fly casting, for one thing. So all those loosely practiced techniques that you might (or might not) have seen on the stream for many centuries finally got written down; especially, they got named. Besides, once people starting writing more of these details down, they wanted to get credit for them. Some of these guys may even have invented some of this stuff again and not even known it had been around for centuries (see Pritchard, below).

While Speycasting is first mentioned in books dated in the 1850’s it seems to have started out with many different names, and no real detailed descriptions in early books.
Switch casting, Speycasting ,Underhand Casting techniques and Welsh throw are all mentioned, there does seem to be a connection between Alexander Grant moving to Wales in 1871 and the mention of the Welsh throw in early books.
Francis Francis, angling editor to The Field] magazine is credited with the first real attempt to describe the mechanic’s of the cast in A Book on Angling dated 1867,
But John Colquhoun (1805-1885) wrote a book called Salmon-casts and stray shots in 1858, he was very much a Trout fisher but still liked to fish a long rod and line, he wrote.
In some of our Northern rivers, such as the Spey and the Ness, the Underhand up-stream throw is much in use, I have mentioned it in a former work, but the whole style of fishing is so ungainly and unsportsmanlike that few gentlemen would be willing to adopt it.

Hi Speyspaz,
Can't be bothered with the same crap over and over again on the formula one site, better here or better still ............ oot fishin.

Here is a little bit from a couple of early documents and books but i won't bother posting else where.

What happened in the early 1800s, among other things, was that more and more (increasingly urban) people learned to fish from less direct sources. The publishing and printing revolution of that century enabled a huge increase in the number of books on every subject, and a greater and greater specialization among the books. More and more people needed to know the basics of fly casting, for one thing. So all those loosely practiced techniques that you might (or might not) have seen on the stream for many centuries finally got written down; especially, they got named. Besides, once people starting writing more of these details down, they wanted to get credit for them. Some of these guys may even have invented some of this stuff again and not even known it had been around for centuries (see Pritchard, below).

While Speycasting is first mentioned in books dated in the 1850’s it seems to have started out with many different names, and no real detailed descriptions in early books.
Switch casting, Speycasting ,Underhand Casting techniques and Welsh throw are all mentioned, there does seem to be a connection between Alexander Grant moving to Wales in 1871 and the mention of the Welsh throw in early books.
Francis Francis, angling editor to The Field] magazine is credited with the first real attempt to describe the mechanic’s of the cast in A Book on Angling dated 1867,
But John Colquhoun (1805-1885) wrote a book called Salmon-casts and stray shots in 1858, he was very much a Trout fisher but still liked to fish a long rod and line, he wrote.
In some of our Northern rivers, such as the Spey and the Ness, the Underhand up-stream throw is much in use, I have mentioned it in a former work, but the whole style of fishing is so ungainly and unsportsmanlike that few gentlemen would be willing to adopt it.

So... If I understand your logic here right,
People has been doing this spey casting many years ago and in many different ways, and since there are nothing written in the books from the early spey history. Thus, you concluded there are nothing new in spey casting, and the historical casters MUST have been doing this and that... included all the inventions in the modern world... do you happen to see those ancient people cast? do you read the descriptions from those old books? what make you come to the conclusion there are nothing new in spey casting? or this is just your rational style? or simply your imagination? How do you know they have do it all? care to share what you know and have read about different casting styles? or care to share what is YOUR underhand casting style about?

BTW, glad to hear you like WFF, it is indeed a wonderful fishing board. Welcome! and just let you know, Skagit casting probably is not invented from the historical era of River Spey.... give you a hint... it's from a river in North America...

Gotcha, very good, Oh, I do get it. An aside, I want to be on the list for that book eh? Signed, is that a go?
Due to burnout, I'll be oot myself if the river drops a hair more. Have a new line to try on my Death Star, one of those newfangled scandi heads. And a Delta sinktip to try on one of my longer rods. Both should go like a rocket. I often wonder what ol' Al would do with it...probably toss it across to the far bank and grin widely.
Here we are, 150 years later, all still trying to describe and explain a relatively simple yet precise (and individuated) series of motions to toss a string with a stick.

God, I do love this stuff.
Bob

I took a couple guys out last week, mostly to see if we could help them with their casting and swinging, and a good time was had by all. I was given a very fine bottle by one friend, and life is good. Balvenie Caribbean Cask, a new thing! Life is so full of good surprises, so long as an open mind and good spirits are there to share in them.

Hi Speyspaz,
Have fun fishing,
Mark,
Skagit casting probably is not invented from the historical era of River Spey.... give you a hint... it's from a river in North America... that did make me laugh, thanks for the hint, my what i would do without your help,........ o hang on i fished that river with Dr Way Yin.
With your knowledge of Speycasting you must have fished and watched the Speycasters on the rivers Spey, Dee, Don, Tweed and Tay, how many times ?

As for this little piece i posted,
What happened in the early 1800s, among other things, was that more and more (increasingly urban) people learned to fish from less direct sources. The publishing and printing revolution of that century enabled a huge increase in the number of books on every subject, and a greater and greater specialization among the books. More and more people needed to know the basics of fly casting, for one thing. So all those loosely practiced techniques that you might (or might not) have seen on the stream for many centuries finally got written down; especially, they got named. Besides, once people starting writing more of these details down, they wanted to get credit for them. Some of these guys may even have invented some of this stuff again and not even known it had been around for centuries (see Pritchard, below).

This was written not by me, but by a very well known North Americian Speycaster, so you will have to ask him how he came to the conclusion, his name is Art Lingren, all you have to do is google his name........but he is so wrong too.

You just don't get it Mark,
Do you really think that over all the time Speycasting has been practiced by hundreds of thousands of Speycasters in the UK, we just fished a long line and nobody tried different ways of flinging the string across the rivers.
I could add some much more, but i guess you will always be right that all these new named casts have never been tried before, give me a break, geeeeeeez.
Got to go practice my speyskagitscandiwifesknicherstoggafonnga snap roll cast, i named it so its mine.
Cheers. still smilin..... Skagit river in North America.
Gordon.