I paid 168.00 US dollars for what may in fact be the ugliest automatic pistol ever made. The frame is polymer, so you would think it'd be light. WRONG!!! Damn near 30 oz for a nine? Woah! Then again...a Ruger p95 is about that heavy, so I shouldn't bitch.

The issue is that big-ass, all-steal slide. It's just a hunk of metal cut to shape. That makes it heavy, but y'know, it also means you could run it over with a truck. Durability is nice.

I took it out back and ran 100 rounds through it. Not bad. It had a tendency to not feed the last round in the magazine though. manufacturer says that this weapon has a 100 to 300 rounds break in period, so I will be patient. Internet research indicates that the magazines can be sub-par. I have ordered two more just to check. it is also recommended to polish the feed ramp. This weapon has a fixed barrel, which makes it more prone to feeding problems, but also freakishly consistent.

That's my next point. This little bastard shot some of the tightest groups I've ever seen. 2 inch groups at 7 yards with almost no practice at all. The weight, fixed barrel, and low-recoil cartridge make getting all the bullets into the same hole super-easy. The polymer grips DO get slippery though. No one makes after market grips for this low-rent shooter, so I bought a Hogue rubber slip-over grip thing (A Hogue Hand-all; get the one that fits all Glocks) and it helps.

This is not a gun for gun snobs. It will not replace your Browning high-power or Beretta 92. It's not even a Springfield XD. However, with a little care and know-how, this piece is a solid shooter. It stays on target, is easy to handle (once you deal with the grips), and is quite reliable.

Until the cost of .357 comes back to something more realistic, this little piece will be on my hip more often than not. I can still get 9mm for $.26 a round.

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Thanks for the post Scrapper! I've been wanting a lil'handgun and any purchase over $200 has to be a power tool or truck repair or some such nonesense. There ain't much money to go around these days.

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oh yeah, is it really an American made pistol? It looks like an Eastern Block hockey puck. That part is surprising, I didn't know we made anything basic&reliable anymore.

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AMF, that is a tough choice. I damn near bought a charter Arms bulldog, (because .44 special can still be found) before I bought the C9. My father in Law has the PT1911, and he and I both agree that it is comparable to anybody's 1911 out there, no questions asked. Don't let the Kimber and Nighthawk snobs talk you out of it.

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I almost bought a Hi Point .45 (supposedly named the "JHP," though I only see that mentioned on Hi Point forums) last week, but in the end decided to get a Rock Island 1911.

The 1911 hasn't arrived yet, so I can't say anything about it at this point. I bought it because RIA is universally recognized for quality and because, at only ~$200 more, it gets me two very important things: 1) a damn near infinite supply of parts, available damn near everywhere, and 2) a weapon that can be serviced damn near anywhere on the planet. As much as I like the simplicity and the economy of the Hi Point, it just can't compete on those aspects.

I suppose it also helps that thousands of people would just love to teach me everything about the 1911 that possibly can be communicated--even if they have to resort to drawing pictures. Long story short: I've spent a lot of time on The Sight M1911 recently. :new_popco

EDIT: Heh, I forgot to mention that I didn't want to buy any gun I hadn't fired before. The range didn't have a single Hi Point available to rent, but they had a small army of 1911s.

Try finding .45ACP at a decent price (or at all) right now, man. It sucks.

And lo, Kano looked down upon the field and saw the multitudes. Amongst them were the disciples of Uesheba who were greatly vexed at his sayings. And Kano spake: "Do not be concerned with the mote in thy neighbor's eye, when verily thou hast a massive stick in thine ass".

Try finding .45ACP at a decent price (or at all) right now, man. It sucks.

Yeah, that was the other thing I forgot to mention. However, household policy dictates that the 1911 be a range gun for a while anyway. I am fine with that, until I see an indication that I'll need a defensive pistol at the ready, because it gives me plenty of time to focus on shooting and maintenance.