This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the FAQ and RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate and remove the ads - it's free!

Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

LinkUncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder - Times Online
Although in this instance this case is in the UK, very similar cases have been found within the USA.
For the reason that an innocent person HAS in both countries been put to death by each State, I am 100% against the death sentence.
It is far to late to tell a person's family,'So sorry, we made a mistake, your relative was innocent' after they have been executed.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

Originally Posted by jujuman13

LinkUncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder - Times Online
Although in this instance this case is in the UK, very similar cases have been found within the USA.
For the reason that an innocent person HAS in both countries been put to death by each State, I am 100% against the death sentence.
It is far to late to tell a person's family,'So sorry, we made a mistake, your relative was innocent' after they have been executed.

If your opposition to the DP is based on the possibility of error, what do you think about only using it in cases where there are confessions/no real possibility of error?

Last edited by RightinNYC; 02-20-09 at 06:03 PM.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

There have been instances in both the UK and the US where a person confesses to a murder, but that person is proven to have been innocent.
However if a confession can be proven to be accurate then yes, if the State has the DP as a punishment, I would be in favor of the full extent of punishment for that individual.
So I guess you have proven that I am NOT 100% against the Death Penalty by the State.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

There have been instances in both the UK and the US where a person confesses to a murder, but that person is proven to have been innocent.

I know, but in those cases the confession is generally taken back later and alleged to have been coerced. I'm mainly referring to cases where it's not in dispute, such as manson, etc.

However if a confession can be proven to be accurate then yes, if the State has the DP as a punishment, I would be in favor of the full extent of punishment for that individual.
So I guess you have proven that I am NOT 100% against the Death Penalty by the State.

Okay, cool. I was just curious.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

Originally Posted by jujuman13

LinkUncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder - Times Online
Although in this instance this case is in the UK, very similar cases have been found within the USA.
For the reason that an innocent person HAS in both countries been put to death by each State, I am 100% against the death sentence.
It is far to late to tell a person's family,'So sorry, we made a mistake, your relative was innocent' after they have been executed.

Its time for the police that bungled this case to lose their badges and spend some time in jail.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

I'm sorry, but your against the DP because innocent people might be put to death.

Correction. Innocent people have been executed.

that also means an innocent person might rot in jail for years... are you also against Jail?

You can release someone from jail. We've done in many times. You can't release someone after we've executed them. That said, a significant percentage of people are likely in jail for crimes they did not commit. Our non-capital punishment system is clearly flawed. What makes you think our capital would be any better?

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

Originally Posted by obvious Child

Correction. Innocent people have been executed.

You can release someone from jail. We've done in many times. You can't release someone after we've executed them. That said, a significant percentage of people are likely in jail for crimes they did not commit. Our non-capital punishment system is clearly flawed. What makes you think our capital would be any better?

You cannot give them back those years. That's IMHO in some ways worse. Imagine being 18 and getting tossed in prison till you were 60 then freed...

Seriously if you are against the DP because of the possibility of an innocent person being put to death, you should be against all forms of punishment, because we might be wrong.

Otherwise, you're just a ****ing hypocrite. You justify accepting the loss of years from a persons life, but you cannot tolerate someone dying.

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

You cannot give them back those years. That's IMHO in some ways worse. Imagine being 18 and getting tossed in prison till you were 60 then freed.

Perhaps, but at least you're still alive. That's more then what we can say with the death penalty.

Seriously if you are against the DP because of the possibility of an innocent person being put to death, you should be against all forms of punishment, because we might be wrong.

How many other forms of punishment result in an innocent being completely unable of being resituted for damages in some way?

Otherwise, you're just a ****ing hypocrite. You justify accepting the loss of years from a persons life, but you cannot tolerate someone dying.

Not necessarily. Someone who was released from prison still has years to live as a free person. Someone who was executed and later found to be innocent (and there are many) cannot be resituted. True, we cannot give them back the lost years of their lives, but we can allow them to live out their life as a productive citizen, free and with their families. And some states I think give the exonerated sums of money for wrongful imprisonment. How do you resitute a dead man?

Re: Uncovered: police notes cast doubt over Eddie Gilfoyle murder

Perhaps, but at least you're still alive. That's more then what we can say with the death penalty.

How many other forms of punishment result in an innocent being completely unable of being resituted for damages in some way?

Not necessarily. Someone who was released from prison still has years to live as a free person. Someone who was executed and later found to be innocent (and there are many) cannot be resituted. True, we cannot give them back the lost years of their lives, but we can allow them to live out their life as a productive citizen, free and with their families. And some states I think give the exonerated sums of money for wrongful imprisonment. How do you resitute a dead man?

I don't think anyone who was imprisoned for a significant portion of their life will ever really recover from that.

You say alive as if it's ALWAYS a good thing. For instance, in the case of an 18 year old going to prison untill they're a middle aged man/woman... what do you think they've got to look forward when they get out? They WILL have been deeply mentally (and possibly physically) scarred, they will have no job experience that isnt frowned upon, and regardless of the new life they will be given they will more than likely wind up in a criminal situation. If not because of their unfortunate inability to get steady employment (from no work experience and being HOW old) then possibly out of spite for our system.

Just sayin' as I have before, that I would rather be dead than falsely imprisoned for years.

Originally Posted by Tucker Case

Don't apologize to me over that silly ****. I could care less if I can see the dust or not.
Now apologize for apologizing!