I believe it completely. Shippu has such a fat area that hits and ryu’s srk has a tiny box. so as long as ken isnt right on top of ryu (why would he be if hes gonna use shippu) ryu’s ex srk should be eaten up.

I tried testing out this shippu vs ex srk business in fba-rr, and I couldn’t find a way to make ryu win. I made it so that ryu’s got an active frame at the same time that ken’s vulnerability starts back up.

This is ryu’s first active frame, which doesn’t hit because ken is invulnerable.

This is Ken’s first active frame.

I assume they don’t trade because supers have more priority than special moves. It also looks like supers ignore invulnerability by being able to hit pushboxes.

It’s also worth mentioning that the fba-rr script that draws hitboxes lags behind a frame, which is why it looks like ryu is getting hit at the same time he has an active frame.

i cant imagine it can hit pushbox, its got to be the super > special thing.
cool though, that would explain it. i just always assumed it wouldn’t work because of the required timing and spacing but super > special priority makes it clear.

That is strange that you couldn’t figure out when Ryu can strike. It is a tricky super and I have, maybe once, got Ken on a Power Bomb from Alex. I started the move on Ken before he started the super so when he activated super, hands were well out and ready to reel him in

I guess I should clear that up. I know some people use “priority” to describe the startup of a move or its number of active frames or whatever. I’m talking about the priority system for the types of hitboxes coded in the game - what happens when the active frames of two moves intersect.

I guess I should clear that up. I know some people use “priority” to describe the startup of a move or its number of active frames or whatever. I’m talking about the priority system for the types of hitboxes coded in the game - what happens when the active frames of two moves intersect.

They trade. Supers have no hurtbox in many cases and thus the seemingly invincible state but if there are two hit boxes one for each character and each of those hitboxes overlaps with a hitbox, they will trade.

Found this draft recorded for this topic (didn’t know forum allowed one draft per topic), don’t know why i didn’t posted it at the time. It was about Isotopez find about SA3 being able to hit pushbox, and i was answering to Tebbo post i guess:

Tebbo:

i cant imagine it can hit pushbox, its got to be the super > special thing.
cool though, that would explain it. i just always assumed it wouldn’t work because of the required timing and spacing but super > special priority makes it clear.

Actually, seems it does work with pushbox acting like regular hitbox.
Tested it with SA3 vs ex SRK (both ken):

They trade. Supers have no hurtbox in many cases and thus the seemingly invincible state but if there are two hit boxes one for each character and each of those hitboxes overlaps with a hitbox, they will trade.

There is no trade. The ex srk overlaps with Ken, but Ken does not get hit by it. The first hit of shippu overlaps with Ryu, and he does get hit by it. The same thing happens with throws as long as the super has a throwable hitbox, which shippu does, but instead of shippu winning, throw wins.

Crazy that shippu can hit pushboxes.
I wonder if that is common or uncommon.

I’ve only tested genei jin, shippu, corkscrew blow, and tanden renki. I know from experience that activation supers like tengu stone and denjin hit pushboxes. Tanden renki doesn’t seem to give makoto’s normals super priority though. I assume the general rule is that supers can hit pushboxes, with a few exceptions, like tanden renki and grab supers.

What do the colors on there mean? Are the green push, red hit and blue hurt? I couldn’t guess for the white ones.

It looks there like Ryu is getting hit on the ground which is strange for this scenario because you said you used EX uppercut and all situations where it was EX upper vs Shippu usually end up with the EX upper getting hit out of the ground.

You’re right about the red, green, and blue boxes. White is the throwable hitbox.

It’s definitely ex srk because all his other srks have hurtboxes. I’m pretty sure he’s grounded for the first few frames. I don’t know what frame he’s airborne on, but I remember hitting him out of the air when I was messing around with the move timings.

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In MISC menu, you can click on the little blue/green/red icon to watch it in action.

‘Full animation’ means i did nothing and the end of animation is triggered by a parameter (in game core) going back to neutral value.
‘Recovery cancelled’, as soon i inputted the dash, i held up direction to cancel it.

IIRC, since then, Tebbo (i think?) has shown attacks may be able to cancel dashes sooner than jump.