Massive Donetsk Ukraine Explosion

And that is basically what Putin said about Obama's threats to get involved in the Syrian civil war.

Anyone else see a double standard?

Diffrence is IM NOT IN CHARGE OF A MILITARY. If i was id had ended this already. If the world wants a villan and they point at you. give them a
villan. When i turn 40 elect me. I promise ill make the US the villan we are portrayed to be.

Anytime the US government considers intervening in a local conflict in the world, there is an uproar and accusations of meddling for personal gain.
Why should Russia be treated any differently?

Because US pokes its nose in lots of nations affairs, near and far. Russia only minds its business in its neighborhood and mostly to the intrusive
attempts by the US ex: Georgia and now Ukraine.

ps: do not want to go back to same stale arguments of NATO expansion right or wrong and so on. Basically, west should understand where the NATO
expansion should have ended. Russia is no Libya or Iraq and miscalculating such facts will result in bad experiences for the west.

Nice try, but your nonsensical attempt to turn my comment around against the US is overplayed and ineffective.

Read my post again, if you wish to debate instead of flooding the thread with rhetoric. Not one word was in defense of the US. Rather, I was pointing
out that you rabid pro-Russia members hold a double standard when it comes to military intervention.

It's ok for Russia to pick a side in local conflicts, but never for the US or its allies. Am I right?

cut the crap already and stop derailing this thread.

local conflict, yeah? how the f... is ukraine in any damn way 'local' to the US? go to your side of the ocean.

Btw, Obama has given the ULTIMATUM to Putin. Tomorrow is crucial. Putin should not agree to any nonsense as lots of men and machines have been
wasted already. Kiev should walk away from NovoRossiya provinces and mind its own business. If US provides weapons to Kiev then Russia should warm
up hostile theaters elsewhere for US to get bloody and messed up.

Readout of the President's Call with President Putin of Russia

President Obama today called President Vladimir Putin of Russia to address the escalating violence in eastern Ukraine and Russia’s ongoing support
for the separatists there. President Obama reiterated America’s support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. President Obama
underscored the rising human toll of the fighting and underscored the importance of President Putin seizing the opportunity presented by the ongoing
discussions between Russia, France, Germany, and Ukraine to reach a peaceful resolution. The President emphasized the importance of reaching and
implementing a negotiated settlement underpinned by the commitments in the Minsk agreement. However, if Russia continues its aggressive actions in
Ukraine, including by sending troops, weapons, and financing to support the separatists, the costs for Russia will rise.

), but it`s difficult to see...but I saw it again and at 0:34 they show an identification plate,
so if it comes really from the site, they probably will know it...I don`t think they will show it and be wrong with id plate.

), but it`s difficult to see...but I saw it again and at 0:34 they show an identification plate,
so if it comes really from the site, they probably will know it...I don`t think they will show it and be wrong with id plate.

yeah, i would like to be able to confirm it is tochka by that plate.
size-wise, it seems like a match. i made a mistake of not watching the entire video earlier (bandwidth problems, unfortunately). i have a table next
to me that i know is exactly 1m long, so yeah, tochka, having a 0.65m diameter, would look like that.

but it's still a little scrap of metal for such a missile. the blast hardly matches anything conventional tochka can handle... and that's what
smells for me.

If there was no chemical plant there then the device to deliver that size of explosion was massive. Good link to the reporter crawling around the
crater, which shows it to be around 30 feet deep. It also doesn't show any wreckage of a chemical factory, but possibly the rebels wouldn't allow
filming in that direction.

I like the chemical factory being hit theory, that's what the Rebels say happened...just didn't see any evidence of it. The bits of Tonhka's they
display may have been fired all together to hit that chemical plant. But no plant in the pictures.

If Ukraine has a bigger missile system and used it then I'm sure the Rebels would be screaming about it to get bigger weapons from Putin. If it was a
NATO weapon they'd scream about that too. If it was nuclear we wouldn't be seeing the reporters crawling around the crater.

can any ATS members get info or data about the Seismology reading from a nearby monitor, likely at a Ukraine University, of that late night 22:46+
pm blast...
A 30' diameter crater is not a standard off-the-rack device that can easily be delivered or detonated with precision by a squad or a missile with a
+40 meter accuracy designed in Its guidance system

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
If there was no chemical plant there then the device to deliver that size of explosion was massive. Good link to the reporter crawling around the
crater, which shows it to be around 30 feet deep. It also doesn't show any wreckage of a chemical factory, but possibly the rebels wouldn't allow
filming in that direction.

I like the chemical factory being hit theory, that's what the Rebels say happened...just didn't see any evidence of it. The bits of Tonhka's they
display may have been fired all together to hit that chemical plant. But no plant in the pictures.

If Ukraine has a bigger missile system and used it then I'm sure the Rebels would be screaming about it to get bigger weapons from Putin. If it was a
NATO weapon they'd scream about that too. If it was nuclear we wouldn't be seeing the reporters crawling around the crater.

I guess it's what the Rebels say it was.

hell no.
if it would be a nato weapon, rebels would lie, as ordered by putin.

putin would then have an ace up his sleeve and would be able to play the west as he wants.

Your go-to tactic of turning things around must have you confused. You say I defend the US based on the actions of others, when that is exactly
what you are doing in regards to Russia. I haven't said a single word in defense of the US. I said that Russia should be treated the same as the
US when it comes to intervention.

I know you're not trying to understand anything or reach any truth, so I won't waste time on convincing you of anything. My posts are aimed at the
readers without an agenda who see the world clearly.

originally posted by: victor7
Because US pokes its nose in lots of nations affairs, near and far. Russia only minds its business in its neighborhood and mostly to the intrusive
attempts by the US ex: Georgia and now Ukraine.

Riiiight...

Next are you going to tell me Russia only sends spies to ex-Soviet states, and never had any intention of expanding its influence into western Europe?

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