Rwa2play:Arkanaut: Super Chronic: If Geno Smith's play were average, the Jets would have been in the playoffs.

Came here to say this.

Wow, are u both Jets fans that can't be happy at all?

Not a Jet fan but a Jet sympathizer and occasional white-knighter. And I like Geno as a prospect, but there's no denying he was one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL this year. He was arguably the best QB in New York, though.

IAmRight:flak attack: The Jets almost made it. Geno had the 37th worst passer rating in the NFL. That means at least 5 teams had at least 2 QBs better than Geno.

FFS, Smith's performance was literally worse than any of Sanchez's. Why do people pretend he's not awful?

Because most people outside of Jet fandom (and a select few withinit) said Sanchez was awful for years, especially during the AFC Champ runs, even though the national media was all over the kid.

Men like being able to say HA I TOLD YOU SO since we rarely get to do so in our daily lives. Unfortuanetly, posting about it on the internet and telling ESPEN "I TOLD YOU SO", is as effectual as telling your spouse since they'll just ignore it the same way.

IAmRight:flak attack: The Jets almost made it. Geno had the 37th worst passer rating in the NFL. That means at least 5 teams had at least 2 QBs better than Geno.

FFS, Smith's performance was literally worse than any of Sanchez's. Why do people pretend he's not awful?

By what measure? He beats Sanchez in quite a few statistical categories (if only by a little), and he's just a rookie. Sanchez also had better pass protection and receivers in his first couple of seasons.

IAmRight:flak attack: The Jets almost made it. Geno had the 37th worst passer rating in the NFL. That means at least 5 teams had at least 2 QBs better than Geno.

FFS, Smith's performance was literally worse than any of Sanchez's. Why do people pretend he's not awful?

Probably because his worst games coincided when he was missing Kerley (the best of the Jets WRs), and a combination of Stephen Hill, Santonio Holmes, Kellen Winslow, and Jeff Cumberland.

He played multiple games with David Nelson, Greg Salas, and Josh Cribbs as a starting WR, and Zach Sudfeld starting at TE. These are guys who were Free Agents at the beginning of the season.

I'm not saying Geno Smith will be great (or even good), but giving a rookie QB absolutely no weapons (not even a RB who can catch out of the backfield), and you are going to have some terrible numbers.

JohnHall:I'm not saying Geno Smith will be great (or even good), but giving a rookie QB absolutely no weapons (not even a RB who can catch out of the backfield), and you are going to have some terrible numbers.

Or...Geno Smith isn't very good. Something anyone who ever saw him play any semblance of a defense in college could've told you.

/Sanchez isn't good either, and I suppose you might as well try a new guy...but yeah, there hasn't been any talent on the Jets' offense for a while

Arkanaut:By what measure? He beats Sanchez in quite a few statistical categories (if only by a little), and he's just a rookie. Sanchez also had better pass protection and receivers in his first couple of seasons.

Correction: He eked out a victory over Sanchez' rookie season in passer rating. Otherwise, he threw for the same number of TDs as Sanchez' worst season, more INTs than Sanchez' worst season of those, had a worse passer rating. Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, slightly better than Sanchez' rookie year. All in all, he was about what Sanchez was as a rookie. That is to say, he sucked. Neither QB has ever had weapons around them. The Jets' offense sucks - they should bring in a competent OC at some point to help out, and maybe acquire some actual talent at some point.

IAmRight:JohnHall: I'm not saying Geno Smith will be great (or even good), but giving a rookie QB absolutely no weapons (not even a RB who can catch out of the backfield), and you are going to have some terrible numbers.

Or...Geno Smith isn't very good. Something anyone who ever saw him play any semblance of a defense in college could've told you.

/Sanchez isn't good either, and I suppose you might as well try a new guy...but yeah, there hasn't been any talent on the Jets' offense for a while

Arkanaut: By what measure? He beats Sanchez in quite a few statistical categories (if only by a little), and he's just a rookie. Sanchez also had better pass protection and receivers in his first couple of seasons.

Correction: He eked out a victory over Sanchez' rookie season in passer rating. Otherwise, he threw for the same number of TDs as Sanchez' worst season, more INTs than Sanchez' worst season of those, had a worse passer rating. Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, slightly better than Sanchez' rookie year. All in all, he was about what Sanchez was as a rookie. That is to say, he sucked. Neither QB has ever had weapons around them. The Jets' offense sucks - they should bring in a competent OC at some point to help out, and maybe acquire some actual talent at some point.

As someone who follows WVU every year, I'll just say that Geno is very erratic. When he's on he's an absolute slinger with a real good arm. When he's off he's oh so bad. You just never know when you're going to get the guy who comes back late in a game with two quick TDs to tie it up or the guy who overthrows everybody by twice their height and blames it on the wind. He also doesn't have Tavon to dump the ball off to, someone who can make a 2 yard swing pass go the distance and pad the stats.

IAmRight:Correction: He eked out a victory over Sanchez' rookie season in passer rating. Otherwise, he threw for the same number of TDs as Sanchez' worst season, more INTs than Sanchez' worst season of those, had a worse passer rating. Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, slightly better than Sanchez' rookie year. All in all, he was about what Sanchez was as a rookie. That is to say, he sucked. Neither QB has ever had weapons around them. The Jets' offense sucks - they should bring in a competent OC at some point to help out, and maybe acquire some actual talent at some point.

So you're saying, a rookie performed as well as a rookie? That's some harsh condemnation right there.

The Jets in 2010 had 4 Pro-Bowlers on the offensive line (they had 5 in Sanchez's rookie year), two relatively young receivers who have had 1000-yard seasons, a former Pro-Bowler at fullback, a future Hall of Famer at running back... and Sanchez had virtually no improvement. Completion rate -- 1% improvement (still lower than Geno's rate this year). TD rate -- 0.1% improvement. His YPA was actually 0.2 yard lower than his rookie year (i.e. half a yard lower than Geno's from this year). His only notable improvement was in Interception percentage, but this would climb back up in later years after the Jets let Braylon Edwards go and Brandon Moore and Damien Woody retired... right to around where Geno's was this year.

That's just his passing stats though; Geno has also shown a much better ability to scramble and make plays with his feet, to a degree that Sanchez wasn't even close to matching.

I'll give you this -- if Geno stagnates in the next three years the way Sanchez did, he would be a failure. If he can learn to avoid sacks and picks -- which even Sanchez learned to a degree -- without sacrificing his other stats, then he'd have a career in the NFL.

Arkanaut:The Jets in 2010 had 4 Pro-Bowlers on the offensive line (they had 5 in Sanchez's rookie year), two relatively young receivers who have had 1000-yard seasons, a former Pro-Bowler at fullback, a future Hall of Famer at running back... and Sanchez had virtually no improvement. Completion rate -- 1% improvement (still lower than Geno's rate this year). TD rate -- 0.1% improvement. His YPA was actually 0.2 yard lower than his rookie year (i.e. half a yard lower than Geno's from this year). His only notable improvement was in Interception percentage, but this would climb back up in later years after the Jets let Braylon Edwards go and Brandon Moore and Damien Woody retired... right to around where Geno's was this year.

Pro Bowl awards for linemen are about as indicative of actual performance as pointing randomly at a list of names and saying "well, he's good".

But I suppose by using the "career highlights" version of guys when, at the time of their Jets' careers, they were nowhere near that peak, you're going to be as disingenuous as possible.

The Jets haven't had a decent offense since Chad Pennington and Vinny Testaverde were out there noodling it around. And there's no reason to believe that Geno "worst starting QB in the NFL this season" Smith is going to turn that around.