We all know the permier players on defense are usually Defensive Ends, who do you guys think are the top Defensive Ends in football, accouting for all aspects of playing DE (Run stopping, Pass rushing, contain). This is a tough question and I am having trouble putting together my list in order of whos better, got some sick talent right now at the position. Ill post my list when I get it finished.

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Anybody think a change of scenery will help Peppers? There was a time where he was easily one of the top defensive players in the league, but since then his play has dropped off a bit and hes not producing like he should be.

This board is WAY too high on Mario Williams, he's good, but he's not the best DE in the NFL, not close. To be elite it has to be sustained, he hasn't sustained it nearly long enough, and he's not even the best DE this year. John Abraham gets that title with Justin Tuck sticking his nose in the picture as well. Man you people are crazy for big names regardless of facts.

Yeah but we didn't have to spend the first overall pick for him nor pay him a contract that big. We basically went bargain hunting and found someone in that elite category. We did that with Osi as well, and Kiwi is panning out too. lol. So I'd rather go bargaining hunting and give props to our GM and scouts for that then gamble with the first overall pick and pay that contract. Now having said that Williams is a sick DE.

There are different jobs in a 34 defense as well. With what they are asked to do, Aaron Smith is #1. I'm pretty sure Stiller is tired of being called a homer which is why he put Ngata above Smith. Sure Ngata rushes the passer better but there isn't a 34 end in the game that stops the run better and takes up space on pass plays than Smith.

There are different jobs in a 34 defense as well. With what they are asked to do, Aaron Smith is #1. I'm pretty sure Stiller is tired of being called a homer which is why he put Ngata above Smith. Sure Ngata rushes the passer better but there isn't a 34 end in the game that stops the run better and takes up space on pass plays than Smith.

I am not taking away from how good Aaron Smith is, I just would take Haloti, Ty and Luis ahead of him, Aaron Smith is a great player and is a huge reason why the Steelers have the best rush defense in the league. We have varying opinions but in no way am I saying Smith is bad.

This board is WAY too high on Mario Williams, he's good, but he's not the best DE in the NFL, not close. To be elite it has to be sustained, he hasn't sustained it nearly long enough, and he's not even the best DE this year. John Abraham gets that title with Justin Tuck sticking his nose in the picture as well. Man you people are crazy for big names regardless of facts.

Thanks for the insight, Abraham lover ;)

What inconsistency has Williams had that Abe hasn't this season? Didn't Abe just come off a stretch of 3 games without a sack before dismantling the Raiders joke of a left tackle, Kwame Harris... I think Abe is money, but hes practically a more one dimensional version of Williams who is a better end overall without question.

This year so far I'd put Justin Tuck on top of my list followed by Mario Williams, Richard Seymour, John Abraham, Jarred Allen, Aaron Kampman and Gaines Adams. In that order.

Also, Osi Umenyiora is way too low on all of these lists. Next year he is going to be up around the top of all these lists along with Tuck. Next year the Giants defense is just going to be nasty with a more experienced secondary and hopefully a more talented pair of outside linebackers and an even deeper defensive line rotation with more overall talent. Scary. So lucky for the rest of the league that Osi and Strahan aren't still kicking around kicking it around for the Giants. I don't think any QB they'd play would be able to play 4 full quarters... (yes this is an exaggeration, but think about the fact that they are playing with their backup rotational guy and a linebacker from last year)

This board is WAY too high on Mario Williams, he's good, but he's not the best DE in the NFL, not close. To be elite it has to be sustained, he hasn't sustained it nearly long enough, and he's not even the best DE this year. John Abraham gets that title with Justin Tuck sticking his nose in the picture as well. Man you people are crazy for big names regardless of facts.

If you're going to drop Williams for not having been on top for long enough, you have to knock Tuck down to. This is the first year he has been a full time starter.

But overall, I would rank Williams just a slight bit higher than Tuck, although it's really close.