After reading the Reynolds thread and seeing weight mentioned I've become curious as to what sort of weights these vintage steel framed bikes range in.

I have recently transferred all my bits to the bennett mystery tange frame, that I suspect may be a Cro Mo triangle only, and It weighs in at a modest 10 kg or 22lb.I consider this to be light and takes my total ride weight up to 80 kg.

I have a couiple of Peugeot Avoriaz's with Carbolite plus tubing that come in at 10.4 and 10.5 KG, A Carlton Corsair in Reynolds 501 at 12.1 KG, A Raleigh Pro race in 501 at 11.4KG, A Motobecane in Vitus 888 at 10.9KG, A peugeot SV10 with Super Vitus 980 at 9.8KG and a Raleigh Grand prix with 1020 tubing at 12.5kg.

All of these are real weights of the complete bikes with pretty much complete period components including pedals clips and straps etc. If you were to say substitute a complete modern say 105 groupset you could probably trim up to a kilo of these weights.

I ride the old steel frame bikes because I like them and grew up with them ( still only ride friction shifters ) and the quality of the road feel of steel frame is enjoyable. Steel frames also do last really well with a life almost as long as the rider will need.

I have a couiple of Peugeot Avoriaz's with Carbolite plus tubing that come in at 10.4 and 10.5 KG, A Carlton Corsair in Reynolds 501 at 12.1 KG, A Raleigh Pro race in 501 at 11.4KG, A Motobecane in Vitus 888 at 10.9KG, A peugeot SV10 with Super Vitus 980 at 9.8KG and a Raleigh Grand prix with 1020 tubing at 12.5kg.

The Moser was weighted today at 10.1 kg, could probably scraped a couple hundred grams with the fir/campa wheel set instead of the aksium one, but if I was fussy about it wouldn't I get a carbon fibre frame? and get on some sort of diet It is a 57cm x 57 cm with a current campa veloce group set.

There is a MASSIVE difference in component specs here, many not retro mind you, and yet the weight difference is so minimal that a half bottle of water can tip the scales totally!

it is isn't it?
i'm glad i asked the question now,as I've always been curious as to how a good ol steely stacks up by todays ridiculous weeny standards.
10kg and under has always felt like a lightweight bike to me.