The funny thing is our resources aren't running out. They're just jacking up the prices and laughing all the way to the bank when they post their tens of billions in profits. People should be infuriated, but they're not. Change is tough and we all want it to be like it was, when we could afford houses, cars, and education. Now we can barely afford food.

Media corporations have successfully sidetracked us with football, NASCAR, sex, alcohol, fast food, and celebrity culture. We're so caught up in this whirlwind of media campaign blitzes that we don't even know what's real anymore. Most people in this country value a bag of Doritos more than the plants that provide them oxygen. So many people (not everyone!) have lost what's important.

I don't have all the answers of how to fix this mess we're in, but there needs to be an overhaul of the distribution of wealth. It's not just about the dollar and coin, paper and metal. Working hard doesn't get you shit anymore, though they've always pounded that into our brains; work hard and you'll "make it." We need to find a balance where everyone can contribute and receive, give and take in a free and balanced way. I'm not talking welfare or handouts either.

Rethuglicans and Democrats are mixed in all over geographically, unlike the Civil War, where there was a pretty sharp division between North and South. Also, there is no overweening issue such as slavery infuriating people. Ain't happening anytime soon.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10285242

The division is now ideological. Not based on a singular issue or policy. It's between 3 and 5 opposing view points and 3 of those are mutually exclusive to each other.

1. The Socialist/Fascist (National Socialist, Communist, Progressive Democrats, Neo-Cons) Supreme authority of the State in the lives of its citizens, little to no deviation from the centrally planned guidelines. Maximum control over society, with limited allowance for individual choice in social or economic matters.

2. The Loyalists (Left). Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the basic needs of citizens at any and all cost.

3. The Moderates (Centrist). Support limited power of the State, with the sway of power held bending towards authority.

4. The Loyalists (Right) Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the property and wealth of its citizens, whatever the cost.

5. The Libertarians (AnCap, Sovereign and others) Support individual Liberty and Freedom, with little or no authority given to the State. Little to no 'safety net' or regulation of personal decisions. The State is relegated to matters of international policy with a bent towards non-interventionism and isolationism.

Now most people will fall somewhere between these stereotypes. That's a given. The problem is, right now you've got more and more people that are swinging to the extremes. Myself included.

When it comes to a Central Government this is the breakdown:#1 and #5 are mutually exclusive. #3 can cohabitate with #2 and #4 but will not survive in #1 and #5's environments. Nor will #2 survive #4 or vice versa. And God help anyone from #2, #3 or #4 get caught under #1 or #5 against their will.

I'm well aware of the false left/right paradigm but I used that as an example in the degrees above. It's easier to read than a web would have been.

Since we are less and less willing to compromise our ideals, especially when the perceived destruction of our respective ways of life is omnipresent, the chance for an escalation of violence to take place is conceivable, if not down right inevitable.

Take me for example. I used to fall somewhere between #1 and #2. Now I'm staunchly in the #5 category. I don't see a way to exist living under the rule of #1, #2, #3 or #4. Why don't I? 'Cause no matter what you've got some politician stealing your labor while pointing a rifle at your face. See there, that's called tyranny where I'm from. So how in the Hell am I supposed to make a living? If every where I turn I'm losing my labor to people who continuously seek to take more and more of it, and losing the freedom of choice in all things that don't conform to what the State thinks is best for me, what makes it acceptable to exist under a system that has proven itself to be antagonistic towards my very existence?

That's just my view point. The opposite holds true for many as well, and that's fine. We'll see whose side has more...heart, if you will. And then, you've got the huge middle section that thinks that all of us on the Fringe are fucking nutz and should be locked away.

America was a wonderful experiment. It was a truly great nation, but the ravages of corruption and apathy have weakened her to the point of collapse. The divisions among it's citizens will not be assuaged by the ballot box, for no matter who wins, the rest get screwed out of something. Couple that (the political) with the escalation in racial tension and you have yourselves a 21st century Yugoslavia. Without the national memory of widespread violence, many will fail to see the warning signs until it's too late.

At this point, Balkanization is inevitable. There's too much damage done to the connective tissue, and not enough will to heal whats broken.

I would like nothing more than to believe that an answer to our predicament will appear. However, I'm not naive enough to believe that pretty words and appeasement will do anything more than postpone the coming conflagration.

War is coming, like it or not. Just remember: Even in War there is Honor. Let's try not to remake the Hutus V. Tutsis here, ok?

(and the disclaimer: I, the author, neither endorse, nor consent to the use of violence to affect political change. Nor would I knowingly agree to, nor participate, in said violence for any other reason except that which is defined as 'Legal and Lawful Defense of Self' pursuant to the pertaining Federal, State and Local laws, codes, and statutes. This post was meant to be purely educational in respect to the difficulties our country faces, and should in no way be construed as subversive, terroristic, seditious, threatening, treasonous, possessing of ill temper, anti-social, or inflammatory rhetoric.)

Its not going to be like this, because, once all hell breaks loose. "TPTB" will just whip out the "B.D.T.W." (Biological DNA Targeted Weapons). So it will be an easy defeat, by "TPTB" who will crush the riots/looters/civil unresters.

It'll be the establishment vs the people, so it wont be protracted. Once the US Military takes the side of the people and not the PWB, it'll be all over. One week - tops!Hell, martial law will be better to live under than what we have now. At least you'll know the leaders have the country's best interests in mind and their own interests.

I'm confused, why should I take up arms and murder my fellow Americans? and why in the world would anyone else want to do the same?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8327298

I don't think I would want to either.. It would be best if we could all get along and put our differences aside, but there are many who will never do that..

Quoting: Artlicious

I read the words of yankees, and I see hatred and contempt for southern people who they consider racists and bigots. From what I read, it seems like they could easily be pushed over the edge to attack southern people....AGAIN.

I also see the young people who hate old or fat people. They think the old people stole something from them and are responsible for the mess in this country and the fat people are just worthless fucks. I think they would start shooting if given the green light.

I'm confused, why should I take up arms and murder my fellow Americans? and why in the world would anyone else want to do the same?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8327298

I don't think I would want to either.. It would be best if we could all get along and put our differences aside, but there are many who will never do that..

Quoting: Artlicious

I read the words of yankees, and I see hatred and contempt for southern people who they consider racists and bigots. From what I read, it seems like they could easily be pushed over the edge to attack southern people....AGAIN.

I also see the young people who hate old or fat people. They think the old people stole something from them and are responsible for the mess in this country and the fat people are just worthless fucks. I think they would start shooting if given the green light.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14981932

Yankees are too concerned with keeping their farms in operation and surviving harsh winters to care about whatever Southerners do. At least in Vermont, that's the case.

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

The military would slpit as many would not listen to the orders of turning guns on citizens and would want to end the corruption, etc.

Would the righty's kill the lefty's? I do not think it would be righty's vs lefty's, but more like those who know and understand what is going on vs those that do not. Most people would lean towards the side they thought was right or the side they think will win.

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

HAckers would not be bale to attack websites as you suggest, government sites and info do not work like this. They could shut down sites with ddos etc as was done recently, but leaking info through their own sites would not occur.

Power plants, water, food, etc would be targeted by both sides depending on who and how each side could gain from it.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

I would expect more local and state governments trying to grab power more than some corporation, but many corporations would back this idea. I would not expect some privitzed corporation to attempt large scale national power, like a ceasar or anything.

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Oy yea, martial law would be instant in order to try and topple the attempted coup. Yes, I believe soldiers to defend and switch sides as I already stated above.

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.

This would be a great possibility. Some states would bond together based on power and interest.

I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?Yes, I beleive it is possible and closer than many citizens think, but not close as in this year or anything.

Once again, just my 2 cents.

Thoughts? Opinions?

Quoting: Artlicious

Quoting: Patrick Bateman

Sorry Patrick!, it ain't going to happen!, All "TPTB" have to do is take out the "Biological DNA Targeted Weapons" and its game over, tilt. (with many dead and passed on) And they have perfected (B.D.T.W.) them already! Its the perfect way to win any "Civil War", however, probably be some people targeted for their arrogancy and lying'hood. (many who work for USDOJ as top officials, that Besmirch/Slander and utilize Federal Cases for "Political and Career" Gains/Moves of "Federal Officials". And if "TPTB" wanted to keep some individuals alive, perhaps they can give an antidote to the upcoming "B.D.T.W." (before it happens).

Quoting: Future Viewer

If the side with the initial numbers, power, planning, etc always won, history would be much different. You would be surprised at what will and heart can accomplish. It has been like this throughout history, and will continue.

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

The military would slpit as many would not listen to the orders of turning guns on citizens and would want to end the corruption, etc.

Would the righty's kill the lefty's? I do not think it would be righty's vs lefty's, but more like those who know and understand what is going on vs those that do not. Most people would lean towards the side they thought was right or the side they think will win.

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

HAckers would not be bale to attack websites as you suggest, government sites and info do not work like this. They could shut down sites with ddos etc as was done recently, but leaking info through their own sites would not occur.

Power plants, water, food, etc would be targeted by both sides depending on who and how each side could gain from it.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

I would expect more local and state governments trying to grab power more than some corporation, but many corporations would back this idea. I would not expect some privitzed corporation to attempt large scale national power, like a ceasar or anything.

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Oy yea, martial law would be instant in order to try and topple the attempted coup. Yes, I believe soldiers to defend and switch sides as I already stated above.

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.

This would be a great possibility. Some states would bond together based on power and interest.

I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?Yes, I beleive it is possible and closer than many citizens think, but not close as in this year or anything.

Once again, just my 2 cents.

Thoughts? Opinions?

Quoting: Artlicious

Quoting: Patrick Bateman

Sorry Patrick!, it ain't going to happen!, All "TPTB" have to do is take out the "Biological DNA Targeted Weapons" and its game over, tilt. (with many dead and passed on) And they have perfected (B.D.T.W.) them already! Its the perfect way to win any "Civil War", however, probably be some people targeted for their arrogancy and lying'hood. (many who work for USDOJ as top officials, that Besmirch/Slander and utilize Federal Cases for "Political and Career" Gains/Moves of "Federal Officials". And if "TPTB" wanted to keep some individuals alive, perhaps they can give an antidote to the upcoming "B.D.T.W." (before it happens).

Quoting: Future Viewer

If the side with the initial numbers, power, planning, etc always won, history would be much different. You would be surprised at what will and heart can accomplish. It has been like this throughout history, and will continue.

And this was all created by 1 man, who was a "Communist Infiltrator", that of FDR with about 8->12 Screw Ups, he did with his administration. And that doesn't include the "Federal Reserve", which is another story in itself. (that helped put some "coffin nails" on this "Holy Country".

The next civil war will be brought on by economic collapse caused by progressive spending over the last 100 years. The government will call up the troops to put down the protests. A poll of the US military says less than 1/3 of the troops would accept an unconstitutional order to round up American citizens. That puts a lot of soldiers on the side of the Constitutionalists. When politicians start killing citizens, the shit will hit the fan. I don't think there will a lot of foriegn involvment, unless you count George Soros instigating the show down. The result will be a lot less certain. It could fragment the country into several areas. The center of America would stick together if posible, but Texas may split off on their own. Washington and Oregon could go either way. Unless Californication can pick up and move to the north east, they are going to be real lonely drowning in their debt. The north east will have to take parts of Michigan and Illinois with them. They can take Washington DC as their capital, because nobody wants that corrupt shit-hole anyway.I hope none of this happens, but nobody in Washington DC right now is doing anything to stop it. They just keep spending like there is no tomorrow. If they keep it up, they may be right.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe

Go to your nearest military recruiting station and ask them about war, than decide if that is what you want.

1st Team!1st Cav! 215th BT

Yes I lived the American Dream as a army sergeant.

What a bunch of retards, please go back to your regular scheduled programming.

Why wish for the destruction of America?

Righties are no better than lefties.

Both wings belong to the same nasty fowl.

The Russians and Chinese are just watching and waiting...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8213458

And neither of them are in a position to finance a prolonged war right now. The russians learned from Afgahnistan, they are not eager to get into a prolonged war they can't win. The communist Chinese have destroyed their own economy along with ours. They both know very well that the emperor of Japan was right when he said "I would never invade America, there would be a gun behind every blade of grass".

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe

I read the words of yankees, and I see hatred and contempt for southern people who they consider racists and bigots. From what I read, it seems like they could easily be pushed over the edge to attack southern people....AGAIN.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14981932

You sure about that? This yank has nothing but respect for southerners. And anytime I've seen a southerner up here, he/she has been treated warmly. Yanks don't drive around with disparaging bumper stickers about the south.

However, I have been in southern states and sometimes been treated poorly once they heard my northern accent - and I'm VERY careful to be pushy and rude, as I admit yanks can be. And I've seen bumper stickers that say "Happiness is a north-bound yankee."

I would love to relocate to the south but I'm concerned that I will never truly be assimilated, unless I move to one of those areas that already are a haven for northern transplants.

However, I have been in southern states and sometimes been treated poorly once they heard my northern accent - and I'm VERY careful to be pushy and rude, as I admit yanks can be. And I've seen bumper stickers that say "Happiness is a north-bound yankee."

The small factions of you stupid mother fuckers who DO lose your mind, from gnashing your tooth over the black president, and start to shooting people, will just end up dead or in FEMA camps. Fucking morons.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847

word

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14846791

word is the blacks will fill the first fema camps, as its the only way to get them out of the cities.

Quoting: Mr. Toppit

Start sending EBT cards out to the country and that's where you'll find 'em.

The funny thing is our resources aren't running out. They're just jacking up the prices and laughing all the way to the bank when they post their tens of billions in profits. People should be infuriated, but they're not. Change is tough and we all want it to be like it was, when we could afford houses, cars, and education. Now we can barely afford food.

Media corporations have successfully sidetracked us with football, NASCAR, sex, alcohol, fast food, and celebrity culture. We're so caught up in this whirlwind of media campaign blitzes that we don't even know what's real anymore. Most people in this country value a bag of Doritos more than the plants that provide them oxygen. So many people (not everyone!) have lost what's important.

I don't have all the answers of how to fix this mess we're in, but there needs to be an overhaul of the distribution of wealth. It's not just about the dollar and coin, paper and metal. Working hard doesn't get you shit anymore, though they've always pounded that into our brains; work hard and you'll "make it." We need to find a balance where everyone can contribute and receive, give and take in a free and balanced way. I'm not talking welfare or handouts either.

rofl, civil war in the modern usa. ok, sure. the big problem with the idea is all our "cannon fodder" for either side would have skip home to play farmville on FB, and/or watch "american idol", "dancing with the stars", or similar pursuits. now, if you had said virtual civil war in say "HALO" scenarios on their x-box, then you have a possibility

Quoting: filo farnsworth spinning 9982577

LOL ... good point.. that's why I'm wondering if such a thing would even be possible in today's world..

Quoting: Artlicious

keep in mind a government or TPTB can control a civil war...what they can not control is a revolution.knock out the power grid.take away all public ass't and now your ROF and LOL comment is quite silly. no internet, no computer...now what.lots of anger to be directed somewhere!see. TPTB have been getting ready for just this.MSM playing up racial issue has not be for ratings.

look around. this is being played like a good game of chess.your move!

the only thing we can do is not fall for it when the $H!# hits the fan.

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1517165

This.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12494788

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

So a combination of "Mad Max" and "Helter Skelter", that would be quite interesting, but need be, I do believe "TPTB" have a solution for this like a "Wag the dogs tail Event" or as some would say a "False Flag Incident", something big, bigger than 9-11, a lot bigger than 9-11, why of course a "Biological Incident" that will kill many Sheeple (Masses), that's whats needed! And I'm sure "TPTB" have it picked out already on "American Soil", why of course "The Long Island/NY metro area" , perfect to isolate, quarantine, and seperate and rid of the largest "Entitlement/Welfare People of the U.S.A.", its the perfect plan!

Why of course 9-11, was just the appetizer for the NY vicinity. But I do believe a few events will take place before this happens, all worked out by "Think Tanks", probably "Rounding up of select People" 1st, or "Moving of Select People via Job Offers" (that's the front door excuse, but back door reason would be "Rounding up and Relocation of Select People" and then the incident/event, brought up by "Martial Law", "Military", "FEMA", "Population Relocation", "Massive Deaths/Kill Event", "Crematories", "Police", "National Guard", "DHS", and "DOT" and a few other alphabet agencies involved in the mix. This is the "New New World Order" and "TPTB" are getting quite impatient with it, as its probably just right around the corner with this happening. Most likely a major major "Biological Incident", and I also believe this was worked out 66+ years ago with FDR, and "The Levitts" (who started Levittown, NY, Alfred and William, which started Suburbia Long Island/NY metro area, and I believe with 100% they were Kapo jewish people).

Long Island/NY metro the perfect area to isolate, quarantine, and seperate from "Mainland of the USA", just too perfect to happen, as almost like 'Planned", many many years ago (66+ years ago).