I'd be willing to bet at an aggregate level, the locker rooms of all these professional sports are very similar. I'm pretty sure singling out football and basketball for homophobia is a mistake, maybe they're just more outspoken?

Not to take a shot at PSU on this, but I was listening to david todd and he had tom bradley on to talk about what goes on in the locker room. lol.

this gentleman is too lazy to look into it, but it would be interesting to re-read some comments from some of todd bertuzzi's teammates following the steve moore incident. it wouldnt be a surprise if most of bertuzzi's teammates stuck up for him by saying things like "hes a good guy, its just unforunate" and stuff like that.

its natural for a group to rally around a guy who was in the wrong and defend him regardless of how he behaved.

At this point he should just go and get plastic surgery, create a new name (and all the other stuff involved with that), enter college, get redrafted as a rookie and get back into the NFL. They can make a movie about it and just call it "Incognito".

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:this gentleman is too lazy to look into it, but it would be interesting to re-read some comments from some of todd bertuzzi's teammates following the steve moore incident. it wouldnt be a surprise if most of bertuzzi's teammates stuck up for him by saying things like "hes a good guy, its just unforunate" and stuff like that.

its natural for a group to rally around a guy who was in the wrong and defend him regardless of how he behaved.

The big difference there is I don't recall too many players blaming Steve Moore.

I mean, there were people saying Moore should've answered the bell against Bertuzzi - despite having fought (Matt Cooke) earlier in the game - and whatnot. But Dolphins players and some others around the league sound almost as if they think Jonathan Martin is the bad guy.

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:this gentleman is too lazy to look into it, but it would be interesting to re-read some comments from some of todd bertuzzi's teammates following the steve moore incident. it wouldnt be a surprise if most of bertuzzi's teammates stuck up for him by saying things like "hes a good guy, its just unforunate" and stuff like that.

its natural for a group to rally around a guy who was in the wrong and defend him regardless of how he behaved.

The big difference there is I don't recall too many players blaming Steve Moore.

I mean, there were people saying Moore should've answered the bell against Bertuzzi - despite having fought (Matt Cooke) earlier in the game - and whatnot. But Dolphins players and some others around the league sound almost as if they think Jonathan Martin is the bad guy.

Won't disagree with that. But there were situations in hockey were dirty plays have lead to guys getting hurt, and a lot of people placed the blame on the injured player. The first one that comes to mind is the gonchar/ovie knee on knee hit.

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:this gentleman is too lazy to look into it, but it would be interesting to re-read some comments from some of todd bertuzzi's teammates following the steve moore incident. it wouldnt be a surprise if most of bertuzzi's teammates stuck up for him by saying things like "hes a good guy, its just unforunate" and stuff like that.

its natural for a group to rally around a guy who was in the wrong and defend him regardless of how he behaved.

The big difference there is I don't recall too many players blaming Steve Moore.

I mean, there were people saying Moore should've answered the bell against Bertuzzi - despite having fought (Matt Cooke) earlier in the game - and whatnot. But Dolphins players and some others around the league sound almost as if they think Jonathan Martin is the bad guy.

Won't disagree with that. But there were situations in hockey were dirty plays have lead to guys getting hurt, and a lot of people placed the blame on the injured player. The first one that comes to mind is the gonchar/ovie knee on knee hit.

Or the "keep your head up" people who say that every time someone gets hit in the head.

Troy Loney wrote:Yeah, it's pretty much the case with all professional sports though. The guys that reach the pinnacle of athletic competition tend to lag in mental development.

I agree with you and Shad that pro athletes are generally poor people, but I disagree with the source. It's not a lack of intelligence, entitlement, or "thug-life." It's a sense of entitlement emanating from the worship they've received since they were the best player on the peewee football team. They don't understand the constraints life imposes on behavior like those of us that deal with the ramifications do. This gets taken to an extreme as a result of group think because their conversations are limited to others in their locker room, all of whom share the views.

Troy Loney wrote:I'd be willing to bet at an aggregate level, the locker rooms of all these professional sports are very similar. I'm pretty sure singling out football and basketball for homophobia is a mistake, maybe they're just more outspoken?

Not to take a shot at PSU on this, but I was listening to david todd and he had tom bradley on to talk about what goes on in the locker room. lol.

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:this gentleman is too lazy to look into it, but it would be interesting to re-read some comments from some of todd bertuzzi's teammates following the steve moore incident. it wouldnt be a surprise if most of bertuzzi's teammates stuck up for him by saying things like "hes a good guy, its just unforunate" and stuff like that.

its natural for a group to rally around a guy who was in the wrong and defend him regardless of how he behaved.

The big difference there is I don't recall too many players blaming Steve Moore.

I mean, there were people saying Moore should've answered the bell against Bertuzzi - despite having fought (Matt Cooke) earlier in the game - and whatnot. But Dolphins players and some others around the league sound almost as if they think Jonathan Martin is the bad guy.

Won't disagree with that. But there were situations in hockey were dirty plays have lead to guys getting hurt, and a lot of people placed the blame on the injured player. The first one that comes to mind is the gonchar/ovie knee on knee hit.

Or the "keep your head up" people who say that every time someone gets hit in the head.

Difference is, those are people on different teams. Of course they're gonna have their teammates back. This case though, it's intra team, and very interesting how they seem to have incognitos back

found a pic of some chinese girl that was a spot on doppleganger for my gf, getting ******** in the middle of a ****** ****. set it as her desktop background pic. when she opened her laptop... i've never seen someone so genuinely confused in my life. good times

Troy Loney wrote:Yeah, it's pretty much the case with all professional sports though. The guys that reach the pinnacle of athletic competition tend to lag in mental development.

I agree with you and Shad that pro athletes are generally poor people, but I disagree with the source. It's not a lack of intelligence, entitlement, or "thug-life." It's a sense of entitlement emanating from the worship they've received since they were the best player on the peewee football team. They don't understand the constraints life imposes on behavior like those of us that deal with the ramifications do. This gets taken to an extreme as a result of group think because their conversations are limited to others in their locker room, all of whom share the views.

That's more or less what I meant with "lack of mental development". They sort of stop mental development at around the age of 18, I guess i'd equate it to this. Consider how you acted between the ages of 18 - 21, think about stuck in that mental standpoint until your 30+.