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Seeing as the whole show has some unbelievable parts...starting with Lucy herself, she might have lived. But I doubt that, if she survived, then there is still a big problem that is the company. They will keep coming back and I am sure next time they will kill those around her as well.

I belive she died, and in doing so, clensed herself of her past murders. I took that scene as the bullets taking her sins out, sort of a baptism(by fire...lol) that would clense her. She made her peace with Kouta then went to make her ultimate peace with the world. Besides if she lived there would still be the rivalry beteen her and the cousin(Sorry forgot her name, been a long time since I watched)

As for the guns, they were using mainly MP5 which uses the 9mm, and I am guessing they had parabellum rounds(Hollow points, basically causes more damage). Enough of them would kill anyone, and did you see the amount of soldiers firing, it was quite a lot.

Overall her death was sad, but not tragic. She was a murderer, and a psychopath. Sure The other self was sweet, but the killer was always there. She just couldn't live in society, death was probably the best thing for her. She got to say she loved him, got a kiss and got the reassurance he does not totally hate her. It was enough for her to at least die somewhat happy. Then add the orphan girl who was molested and the other horned girl(Again sorry, been a while) who were both saved and got a better life, I say it was a pretty good ending.

The truly sad part for me was the flashbacks, at the moment she gave herself to the killer side. The moment she said I really loved you Kouta, was the gut kicker for me. Had he told the truth about the cousin, but said he was not interested(Wasn't at the time), things might have been different. They could have had a life together...but they didn't. I guess the term for this is what happens...happens.

Location: A land far, far away... or very, very close, depends on where you live

Wow.

When'd this thread get so hostile?
Think it's time for a real change of topic, therefore, I'll throw this into the fray:

X-men

Think about it.
Diclonious = Mutant... possible connection?
Come on, don't we all want to see Nana in costume?!

Okay, on to a truly serious topic:

Post-anime.

Really, am I the only one who thinks Lucy's death (IF it happened) would change anything? Her birth was an anomaly, what's to say it couldn't happen again? Or that she was the only "Queen"?
I'll bet there are a lot more diclonious cases, not just in Japan either. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if things end up like they do in Will Smith's new movie... replacing the vampires with diclonious of course.

(Trying not to think of vampires vs diclonious... attempt failed)
Any other thoughts on post-anime plotlines?
(Ya know, the X-men thing's starting to make a lot more sense... damn fanfiction for poisoning my mind!)

When'd this thread get so hostile?
Think it's time for a real change of topic, therefore, I'll throw this into the fray:

X-men

Think about it.
Diclonious = Mutant... possible connection?
Come on, don't we all want to see Nana in costume?!

Okay, on to a truly serious topic:

Post-anime.

Really, am I the only one who thinks Lucy's death (IF it happened) would change anything? Her birth was an anomaly, what's to say it couldn't happen again? Or that she was the only "Queen"?
I'll bet there are a lot more diclonious cases, not just in Japan either. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if things end up like they do in Will Smith's new movie... replacing the vampires with diclonious of course.

(Trying not to think of vampires vs diclonious... attempt failed)
Any other thoughts on post-anime plotlines?
(Ya know, the X-men thing's starting to make a lot more sense... damn fanfiction for poisoning my mind!)

Those things in am legend are not vampires they are the entire human race infected by some virus which mutated six billion people to which will smiths character is immune. plus the diclonius cannot do that cause they can't spread as quickly for dicloni it would take centuries if not millenia to do that

Spoiler:

And yes in the manga Lucy death changed a lot of things plus dicloni(horned humans)will not destroy nromal people cause the voice is gone now and diclonius are living happily there will not be repeat of lucys experience in the anime who knows but the mangas ending is set. Besides if another killer horned human shows this good diclonius will stop him/her

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When'd this thread get so hostile?
Think it's time for a real change of topic, therefore, I'll throw this into the fray:

X-men

Think about it.
Diclonious = Mutant... possible connection?
Come on, don't we all want to see Nana in costume?!

Okay, on to a truly serious topic:

Post-anime.

Really, am I the only one who thinks Lucy's death (IF it happened) would change anything? Her birth was an anomaly, what's to say it couldn't happen again? Or that she was the only "Queen"?
I'll bet there are a lot more diclonious cases, not just in Japan either. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if things end up like they do in Will Smith's new movie... replacing the vampires with diclonious of course.

(Trying not to think of vampires vs diclonious... attempt failed)
Any other thoughts on post-anime plotlines?
(Ya know, the X-men thing's starting to make a lot more sense... damn fanfiction for poisoning my mind!)

This thread became hostile because gaguri started insulting people who thought that while it was unlikely it was still possible that Lucy, or actually Nyu since only the Nyu personality can come out when Lucy has no horns, might have survived to be taken captive and eventually recover from her wounds. And then only in posts to third parties. He seemed more interested in insulting people who thought differently than he did in discussing the anime.

Actually Lucy was not the anomoly.

Spoiler for manga:

Her mother was the anomoly. Although she wasn't a diclonius, all her children would be born true diclonius and it is quite possible that she had more than just Lucy and her little half brother. In fact, for Kakuzawa, the real Bad Guy, to know that ALL her mother's children would be born as true diclonius, I think that Lucy very probably had older siblings who stayed with her father when her parents split. That would also fit with Kakuzawa, a decendent of the ancient diclonius race who lost their powers from mating with normal humans, in the anime saying that he didn't need Lucy anymore. If you are going to kill off all the humans and replace them with diclonius you need some true diclonius that can breed since all the vector virus diclonius are sterile.

While in the manga Lucy never tells Kouta her feelings, which she regreted, and never kisses him, an equally emotional and more believable event takes place initiated by Kouta. There is no question about her fate and she truely gets to redeem herself, at least as it relates to Kouta.

Spoiler for manga:

I thought about the scene in "Return of the Jedi", after Darth Vader had saved Luke by killing the Emperior, where Luke tells his father that he wanted to save him meaning to save his life. Then his father tells Luke that he did save him, meaning that Luke brought him back from the darkside and saved his soul. Lucy sacraficed herself to save Kouta's Life, and Kouta and her love for him brought her back from the darkside and saved her soul. Even Nana shed tears for her.

I should correct you on the fact that I didn't insult anyone other than you only, the only one stupid enough to still argue on this equally stupid and pointless debate. The moment you stopped responding to my attacks that are concerned with the scenario, (i.e. the below quote by me)

Spoiler for me from above:

@Pastprime

I don't need to be an expert on anything, pretty any sensible person with a triple digit IQ will argue that shooting scene seriously tests the plausibility of Lucy/Nyu's survival.

And who honestly think that bullets going over her head are going to come back at her like a homing missile. I suggest you hone you practise in interpretating other people's simple comments properly and not coming to totally wrong ideas, should you wish to have more meaningful conversations in the future.

And just because you're so uncoordinated and untrained with rifles, doesn't mean the soldiers are as incompetent as you. I'm willing to bet, at a close range (which she is at), way more than half of their shots will land on her (vital or non-vital, doesn't matter), with M-16, or AK, or even a bloody home-made rifle made by a 10 year olds in Africa, who probably have more common sense than you with such scenarios from seeing so many people being shot. I also would imagine that they've landed enough shots to literally turn her into a beehive.

And this is just my guess, but the guys with guns (and their leader) probably would have checked if she was really dead, before leaving the scene. I'm not a military expert like I've said, but I'm pretty sure one of the most important thing for soldiers/hired mercenaries/agents in completing their assassination mission, is that they actually confirm and check if their target really is dead.

And yes, Nana survived after her arms and legs were amputated. I think a normal conclusion we can draw from this, is that the animators wanted to make it all cool by pulling her arms and legs off, but needed Nana in the story, so they conjured up hocus pocus and walla, she survived. Likewise, maybe that really is Nyu behind the silhoutte. It just means that animators didn't do a very good job. But no, you just had to make yourself believe that she survived the shooting in a realistic manner. You can't accept the fact that animators zapped a deus ex to bring your beloved character. I understand that, and that's why I'm here to help you see the light ;D. I'm sure you have even more abstract and imaginative questions that runs wonderfully and freely in that sphere we call 'delusional'. Remember, I'm always here to answer for you~

I took that as you agreeing, 'yes I was stupid, going further is pointless'. If you are still unconvinced we can start from here again, not from where you sidetracked off into this post,

Spoiler:

I had no problem with your thinking that Lucy died, and would never have replied to a post stating that. The ending was made ambiguos to support both possibilities. And opinions have been compared to a part of the body in that everyone has one. My problem comes from your attempt, based on all the expertise you gained watching Rambo movies, to label everyone who choses to believe differently as somehow being fools or morons. That only proves that you, also, could be compared to that part of the body.

, which attempts to invalidate my points without even trying to address my concerns stated above.

I'm more interested in discussing the characters, themes, etc. behind animes and not the plausibility of the anime. It was fun for a while trolling and provoking angry responses but I guess it does get tiring and bit sad watching one come up with some of the most stupid and imaginative speculations.
EDIT: lol at below. Sad way to avoid questions that one can not answer.

I should correct you on the fact that I didn't insult anyone other than you only, the only one stupid enough to still argue on this equally stupid and pointless debate. The moment you stopped responding to my attacks that are concerned with the scenario, (i.e. the below quote by me)

Spoiler for me from above:

@Pastprime

I don't need to be an expert on anything, pretty any sensible person with a triple digit IQ will argue that shooting scene seriously tests the plausibility of Lucy/Nyu's survival.

And who honestly think that bullets going over her head are going to come back at her like a homing missile. I suggest you hone you practise in interpretating other people's simple comments properly and not coming to totally wrong ideas, should you wish to have more meaningful conversations in the future.

And just because you're so uncoordinated and untrained with rifles, doesn't mean the soldiers are as incompetent as you. I'm willing to bet, at a close range (which she is at), way more than half of their shots will land on her (vital or non-vital, doesn't matter), with M-16, or AK, or even a bloody home-made rifle made by a 10 year olds in Africa, who probably have more common sense than you with such scenarios from seeing so many people being shot. I also would imagine that they've landed enough shots to literally turn her into a beehive.

And this is just my guess, but the guys with guns (and their leader) probably would have checked if she was really dead, before leaving the scene. I'm not a military expert like I've said, but I'm pretty sure one of the most important thing for soldiers/hired mercenaries/agents in completing their assassination mission, is that they actually confirm and check if their target really is dead.

And yes, Nana survived after her arms and legs were amputated. I think a normal conclusion we can draw from this, is that the animators wanted to make it all cool by pulling her arms and legs off, but needed Nana in the story, so they conjured up hocus pocus and walla, she survived. Likewise, maybe that really is Nyu behind the silhoutte. It just means that animators didn't do a very good job. But no, you just had to make yourself believe that she survived the shooting in a realistic manner. You can't accept the fact that animators zapped a deus ex to bring your beloved character. I understand that, and that's why I'm here to help you see the light ;D. I'm sure you have even more abstract and imaginative questions that runs wonderfully and freely in that sphere we call 'delusional'. Remember, I'm always here to answer for you~

I took that as you agreeing, 'yes I was stupid, going further is pointless'. If you are still unconvinced we can start from here again, not from where you sidetracked off into this post,

Spoiler:

I had no problem with your thinking that Lucy died, and would never have replied to a post stating that. The ending was made ambiguos to support both possibilities. And opinions have been compared to a part of the body in that everyone has one. My problem comes from your attempt, based on all the expertise you gained watching Rambo movies, to label everyone who choses to believe differently as somehow being fools or morons. That only proves that you, also, could be compared to that part of the body.

, which attempts to invalidate my points without even trying to address my concerns stated above.

I'm more interested in discussing the characters, themes, etc. behind animes and not the plausibility of the anime. It was fun for a while trolling and provoking angry responses but I guess it does get tiring and bit sad watching one come up with some of the most stupid and imaginative speculations.

Spoiler:

I quit replying because it was obvious that you did not want to really discuss anything, and since it is said that it is a waste of time to try and conduct an intelligent discussion with fools, drunks, or idiots, I decided to quite wasting my time. And, it will be a waste of your time to reply to this because I am, adding you to my twit filter, the first addition in years, so I will not see any of your future posts.

Never mind Arthas. I generally put '@' in front of name to address that particular someone, and sometimes people don't see that so meh.

@Pastprime

I don't need to be an expert on anything, pretty any sensible person with a triple digit IQ will argue that shooting scene seriously tests the plausibility of Lucy/Nyu's survival.

And who honestly think that bullets going over her head are going to come back at her like a homing missile. I suggest you hone you practise in interpretating other people's simple comments properly and not coming to totally wrong ideas, should you wish to have more meaningful conversations in the future.

And just because you're so uncoordinated and untrained with rifles, doesn't mean the soldiers are as incompetent as you. I'm willing to bet, at a close range (which she is at), way more than half of their shots will land on her (vital or non-vital, doesn't matter), with M-16, or AK, or even a bloody home-made rifle made by a 10 year olds in Africa, who probably have more common sense than you with such scenarios from seeing so many people being shot. I also would imagine that they've landed enough shots to literally turn her into a beehive.

And this is just my guess, but the guys with guns (and their leader) probably would have checked if she was really dead, before leaving the scene. I'm not a military expert like I've said, but I'm pretty sure one of the most important thing for soldiers/hired mercenaries/agents in completing their assassination mission, is that they actually confirm and check if their target really is dead.

And yes, Nana survived after her arms and legs were amputated. I think a normal conclusion we can draw from this, is that the animators wanted to make it all cool by pulling her arms and legs off, but needed Nana in the story, so they conjured up hocus pocus and walla, she survived. Likewise, maybe that really is Nyu behind the silhoutte. It just means that animators didn't do a very good job. But no, you just had to make yourself believe that she survived the shooting in a realistic manner. You can't accept the fact that animators zapped a deus ex to bring your beloved character. I understand that, and that's why I'm here to help you see the light ;D. I'm sure you have even more abstract and imaginative questions that runs wonderfully and freely in that sphere we call 'delusional'. Remember, I'm always here to answer for you~

Okay, I'm a complete n00b here so sorry if I offend anyone, but I just got done watching Elfen Lied last night. Now you seem dead on on what you have said. No matter how much I wish it isnt true, you really put it out there that Lucy/Nyu is dead. I'll probably have to rewatch the last episode to actully notice the things you have pointed out. But still there is one more question that lingers in my mind and that is who the person behind the door is? I now we will never know who it is exactly but I would like some peoples opinions. This has probably been discussed so much already but I dont wanna go and search the onehundred pages to find out what other people think. I still wish Lucy wouldnt have died though. T_T

Here's a speculation I made years ago, and still unchanged. I have yet to meet anyone sharing my opinion, because justifiably, it's bit random and far-fetched, but I myself still prefer it than having to take Lucy as answer.

Spoiler:

People might not remember this, but the director, who ordered the hunting and researching of diclonius, is diclonius himself. Now, like other majority of diclonius, he too wants to create a world for diclonius. Although unlike other diclonius we have come to know, like Lucy and Nana who at some points wished to create a world only for diclonius because they didn't want to be discriminated against, he probably just wanted to do this to become the 'creator', for power, etc. but that's besides the point. He wants this world to be of diclonius, not humans.

So at the end, we see the female researcher wanting to take a bath. At this, the director makes a rhetorical question, I think something on the line of 'why take a bath, it's almost over' and takes his wig off to show her his diclonius nature. To me, although subtle, this is a strong implication of him intending to produce (or mass produce) diclonius by mating with her. I guess it makes more sense for him to produce them via cloning technology, but the implication was what I saw, unmistakably. I could be overanalysing this scene, and I guess it's valid for anyone to come up now and say 'thats stupid', but that's what I got.

So ultimately, the person behind the silhoutte is one of the evil diclonius produced by the director, in order to kill all humans to make a world for diclonius.

Now, how does this all tie in with the music box and the clock? For me, the music of Lilium symbolises the hope, inner goodness that existed within the heart of diclonius, despite their desire to kill everyone. Lucy was horribly discriminated, she cursed the world. Then Kouta's lilium music box enters like a light, diffusing that gloomy darkness of her heart. It shows that there still can exist a genuine love and care between two people, even if one is a diclonius and one is a human. And Lucy accepted that. I think that is why it was so powerful when lilium was played over the climax where Lucy and Kouta hugged each other, because it reminds you of why they're still in love with each other, despite all the wrongs they inflicted.

But when the killer diclonius visits Kouta, the music stops because there no longer exists that music and harmony between diclonius and humans. The love between Kouta and Lucy, which was such a hope for the peace between two races, the possibilty of two races understanding each other without discriminating, has collapsed. And so has that bridge between diclonius and humans.

And then the clock rings the sound of doom. I suppose Nyu tried to fix the clock but failed, because although her inner evil Lucy, and the evil diclonius nature, wanted to begin the 'time for diclonius, and end for humans', she loves Kouta (who is human) too much, and his love is also binding her from acting on her intuition. Now there is nothing stopping from ringing the end of time for humans, because from that point, it's time for diclonius to start making place for themselves by killing off all humans.

It was a very grim, almost horror-like ending for me, and obviously very different from the happy and hopeful endings of Lucy coming back alive with all her evil sides chopped off. I guess either interpretation is fine, and one could make interpretations that are different from these two (although I haven't read of one yet). It just depends on how you responded to the anime in general and views on the characters, the messages that the anime was trying to convey.

Hope if that helped ^_^b. Thanks anyway for at least making an opportunity to talk about stuff more interesting and less retarded than trying to answer the question of 'how a girl can not die from being gunned closeshot by a group of trained gunners in a realistic manner'. It's good to know that there is one less ostrich out there, burying his head inside the ground. Yes, he can't see anything so there is nothing to worry about, but I wonder if he realises that his ass is still showing.

Thats a pretty rock solid theory there but there are a few gap that I see.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

If the person at the door is a new diclonius then why didn't Nana sense it coming. That is unless this new diclonius can supress its power so that Nana cant sense it. (reminds me of Claymore and how they supress their Yoki, but thats beside the point) The other thing is it would take at least 5-7 years for this new diclonius to come to the age where it would be sent out to kill. This brings me to the point that none of the characters age. You might not see much of a difference in Kohta or Yuka, but Mayu, Nana, and Wanta would all have aged significantly.

Other than that you have a pretty good theory. (I dont think I need to put that in spoiler qutes but meh). Oh, and thanks for not concidering me an ostrich. ^_^

Thats a pretty rock solid theory there but there are a few gap that I see.

There are numerous gaps that one can point out, and I don't have any absolute backups for them simply because my theory leaves too much for imagination, based only on the three factors; 1. Strong implication that the director was going to produce Diclonius(s) and kill off all humans 2. Symbolic meaning I got from the music box and clock 3. Lucy is dead so...um yea...

I mean, I could argue that the research team somehow developed the diclonius superior, and can go near other inferior diclonius like Nana without her noticing. But as you can see, that's only a speculation, which may lead to pointless debate.

No way near a solid theory I suppose, but that's how I saw the girl behind the silhoutte to be.

WOW gaguri that's a brilliant theory. Musta taken you ages to think that up! But, as well as what Atsushi said, there's something I gotta say. It seems to me that Lucy doesn't want to continue the Diclonius race.

Spoiler:

Remember the end of the fifth episode? She killed the boss' son (forgot his name) when he was giving her that very chance. Also on the last episode she said to Kouta that the only reason she kept on living was because she just wanted to talk to him again. Nothing else seemed important.

Anyway, now I think about it, maybe it IS possible that Nyuu came back. Because, well yeah like you said, they most probably DID go and check that she was dead. But maybe it was jsut Lucy. You know, thinking of the scene in episode 5 again, Nyuu went to sleep, and then Lucy woke up. It could be the opposite. The soldiers just left before she awoke.

Course it's just a theory, not saying it's definately what happened. ^_^

Didn't take me ages to come to the idea (or maybe it did, but it was so long ago I can't remember), but took ages to type all that in a coherent manner, backed up by all the details I could find...it's a simple idea, but quite a far-fetched one without considering the implication and symbols I've mentioned before.

As for Nyu coming back alive...I don't like the idea of Nyu somehow 'waking up' alive in that body (if it's still in one piece) but ok...

There are numerous gaps that one can point out, and I don't have any absolute backups for them simply because my theory leaves too much for imagination, based only on the three factors; 1. Strong implication that the director was going to produce Diclonius(s) and kill off all humans 2. Symbolic meaning I got from the music box and clock 3. Lucy is dead so...um yea...

I mean, I could argue that the research team somehow developed the diclonius superior, and can go near other inferior diclonius like Nana without her noticing. But as you can see, that's only a speculation, which may lead to pointless debate.

No way near a solid theory I suppose, but that's how I saw the girl behind the silhoutte to be.

Yeah, it is true that every theory has its loopholes, and that is what makes them a theory. If it had absolutly no loopholes it would be fact.

Oh, and I wathced the OVA today, a bit more info on Lucy's background and a bit of comedy involving Nana. lol, a bit of an enlightening episode. And it takes place somewhere between like 10 and 11 or something right?

But I thought the ones with the 'hands' were all killed or hiding(Nana). Aren't the others just humans with horns? If that is the case, then they can only fight as a human, and can die just as easily.

And if they do have more with 'hands', I would be hard pressed to believe one could survive a tank shell or aviation bomb/missle. While he does run a rich company with many weapons, when the world's militaries finally got involved, they would ultimately be stopped.

Also, not all the Diclonius are cold blooded killers(Nana).

So looking at it from a tactical view, I don't think the Diclonius could take the world. From what is shown, Humans out number them, plus have the ultimate technology if need be. No matter how many 'hands' you have, you are not going to stop a thermonuclear weapon(Though that would be a last resort).

Oh, and I wathced the OVA today, a bit more info on Lucy's background and a bit of comedy involving Nana. lol, a bit of an enlightening episode. And it takes place somewhere between like 10 and 11 or something right?