Let's get a response now from senator mark udall, senator, thank you for joining us this morning. You just heard chairman rogers right there, he said that he's not idea to sign on to this idea of sending the phone records, having them to stay with private phone records rather than the federal government collect them, your response? The arguments for the status quo, george, fell apart this week in washington. I do find it interesting that chairman rogers, whom I respect, when the presidential panel agrees with him, he says it's a great panel. When he doesn't agree, he says it's manned by three law professors. As if those law professors don't have an understanding of the constitutionality of what we have been doing. I would point out that the panel was actually manned by people who are highly respected, who have deep experience in the role of intelligence and surveillance and national security, I get up every day, george, as a member of the intelligence committee to do two things, to protect the american people and protect the bill of rights. The nsa is overreached. We need to move to adopt the recommendations of the president's panel. All 46? I think we need to look at all 46 -- I'm still studying the report myself. But there are many, many important reforms, it's time to have real reform, you know why? Because we have to rebuild the american people's trust in our intelligence committee so we can be safe. But we don't do that by bulk data collection that violates the privacy of americans and is unconstitutional. So, you heard chairman rogers about the constitutionality as well, he said that 16 other judges have said that the judge is constitutional. It will wind its way through the courts. It's hard for me to believe that these general warrants if you will, to collect everyday americans' phone records is somehow constitutional. It doesn't fit the standard in the fourth amendment. You have to have probable cause -- by the way, these are innocent americans, I would counter chairman rogers' part, this is an invasion of privacy. If you take the business record you could get a pretty good idea of what people are doing, based on who they call and where they call from. George, you're right. There has been no abuse. But the potential for abuse is always there. Americans have always erred on the side of protecting our privacy. How about this question of amnesty for edward snowden? I think that edward snowden ought to come back to the united states, he ought to stand on his own two feet and he ought to make his case. History will judge him how the historians and american people decide to make that call, but I'm focused on reforming in a fundamental set of ways the way nsa operates. So, when you're saying he should come home, you think he should face charges? I do. I do. He broke his oath and the law. Make the case that somehow there was a higher purpose here, but edward snowden ought to come back to the united states. Do you think -- do you think we would be having this debate if it weren't for his revelation? That's the conundrum. The violations of americans' privacy conducted by the nsa, finally, our point of view has been affirmed, and now it's time to fundamentally reform the way the nsa operates. The president's panel made that very, very clear. And one year from now, will the federal government still be collecting americans' phone records? If I have anything to say, no. We have to end the bulk collection. The court ought to get an order. By the way, I think those phone records ought to be held by a third party. Senator udall, thank you for your time. That takes us to our

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