Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

I know devuan exists, and it is a very noble project but it is not debian and does not have debian support/developers.

Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

It was commonly recognised that SysV was in need of updating/changing .. for instance to move away from being serial. SystemD is one such alternative of several that caters for concurrency/parallel, along with many other benefits. If in your opinion sysD is bad, SysV is worse as that is what most are progressing away from.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter. There are also 32 bit versions of Debian ... but you're out of luck if you'd rather boot 8 bit or 16 bit.

Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter.

Thank you, I did not know that.

PD: It is true that sysV is very old and I understand that you are looking for alternatives, but maybe openrc would have been a healthier option from my point of view.

The thing of it is, the Debian developers and others went around in circles for quite sometime, arguing about this issue, and it is all very well documented. It all was very controversial, but it is over, the decision was made and Debian now uses systemd, As far as I know, there are no plans to change the decision that was made. Debian will continue using systemd, and there will not be any easy way or other option for using sysV init, in the Debian releases. So, a group of Debian developers, decided to no longer work on Debian development, but start a new "fork", called "Devaun" Here on this forum , it is Debian users, not Debian Developers, if you are not a troll, and genuinely want to know about the future plans for Debian, you should ask them:https://www.debian.org/contact=========================https://www.debian.org/devel/===https://lists.debian.org/devel.htmlIt probably would be better to use:https://lists.debian.org/users.htmlFirst, then maybe someone will point you to a better source, that isfact, and not rumour,... a few developers do follow and read the users list.

Instead of listening to rumours, or starting a very controversial topic on forums, where "rumours"and more rumours about the rumours are abundant, actually, many forums just close and delete any new topics, on this,... it is old history. Occasionally "trolls" do pop up, and try to start yet another "systemd" topic, generally with the same sort of comment "I heard this some where ",.... bla bla.