IronyOwl is being almost as fucking evasive with their fucking vote. They just fucking vote NativeForeigner and remove that vote for no fucking reason. SWEARING ISN'T A FUCKING EXCUSE FOR DOING THAT. And then you fucking vote Ottofar for some stupid joke reason and leave it at fucking that.

I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.

I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.

How are your reasons any better? You voted him to see what would happen. How's that a good reason? Then he OMGUSed and gave you reason to justify your vote after the fact. Who's really the reasonless voting dickwad here?

I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.

No, but seriously, that's extremely lazy reasoning. Going for 'why not' lynches are pretty damn fucking scummy, so unless you can make a better case for why he's scum or why lynching him advances the town's win condition, then I think you should pretty much hang.

You know, it's fucking uncanny how many times people scream that Jim is out to get them and has rallied the town to destroy them, like he's the head of some damn conspiracy theory or something. I've learned to recognize this as something I call "The Jimbot Fallacy".

PFP: Fuck this band trip. First day of itinerary is utterly fucking wrong. On a more mafia topic, wasn't Irony's stated reason for fucking voting Ottofar the whole lack of rewind and lack of zombie confirmation?

You know, it's fucking uncanny how many times people scream that Jim is out to get them and has rallied the town to destroy them, like he's the head of some damn conspiracy theory or something. I've learned to recognize this as something I call "The Jimbot Fallacy".

No, but seriously, that's extremely lazy reasoning. Going for 'why not' lynches are pretty damn fucking scummy, so unless you can make a better case for why he's scum or why lynching him advances the town's win condition, then I think you should pretty much hang.

How about how fucking scummy he was ages ago, when I was in favor of lynching him? I'd give some fucking quotes or something but I still haven't reread like I keep saying I will.

There's also fucking zombies out there, and we don't know what they do, but we know if it's a fucking douchebag player doing it he's preventing a rewind, why would he even fucking do that? You don't even fucking care that you're a zombie or want to know why?

How about how fucking scummy he was ages ago, when I was in favor of lynching him? I'd give some fucking quotes or something but I still haven't reread like I keep saying I will.

There's also fucking zombies out there, and we don't know what they do, but we know if it's a fucking douchebag player doing it he's preventing a rewind, why would he even fucking do that? You don't even fucking care that you're a zombie or want to know why?

Yeah, wel-

Shit.

It still feels like you're just picking on Ottofar because he's fucking Ottofar. Like, welp, I got no scum picks. Time to pick on Ottofar, that's always a good choice.

You know, it's fucking uncanny how many times people scream that Jim is out to get them and has rallied the town to destroy them, like he's the head of some damn conspiracy theory or something. I've learned to recognize this as something I call "The Jimbot Fallacy".

It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.

That doesn't answer the question and makes it look like you're scum.

Other than the fucking self contradiction, if you didn't think he was scum, shouldn't you have, like, fucking found someone who was and done something about it? It makes me want to fall back on some tired fucking cliche about leaving the game.

I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.

I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.

Your fucking point? We don't know if any of us are lying and trying to get out of the noose by claiming to be a fucking town aligned player.

I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.

I fucking agreed that Ottofar was scummy a while ago, but your attack on him is completely fucking ridiculous and scummy. You make some vague intonation that everyone thought he was scummy before, why don't we go back to fucking lynching him to "see what happens". It strikes me as someone who doesn't give a fuck about finding the alignment of the lynchee. I quit.

It gets rid of uncertainty and provides information. Both are good for the town.

That doesn't answer the question and makes it look like you're scum.

Other than the fucking self contradiction, if you didn't think he was scum, shouldn't you have, like, fucking found someone who was and done something about it? It makes me want to fall back on some tired fucking cliche about leaving the game.

No, but you're picking at irrelevant details about why I don't think Jokerman-EXE is scum.

And it feels like you're trying to maneuver me into a position where you can go "See! He agrees/doesn't deny/has no opinion on some stupid issue! He's scummy!" So naturally I don't really want to answer your questions since I've been perfectly clear about my attitude about Jokerman-EXE from the start and find this whole exercise completely pointless and possibly a trap.

I am good at scumhunting, not townhunting. Why are you making me build a case on why I think somebody is town? That's pointless.

You've been quite clear that you "agree with most everything Jokerman has to say," yes. You've been very opaque as to why. I'm not trying to dredge up every stupid detail I can find, I'm trying to figure out why you think X isn't scummy or why you think Y is a good idea.

I also don't see any reason whatsoever why thinking he's town warrants less explanation than thinking he's scum- if you have an opinion, you should be able to explain it. If I said Zrk2 is scummy but refused to go into details, I imagine you'd think something was up. Since you seem to be doing the opposite with Jokerman, I'm inclined to think likewise.

I fucking voted Native to find out why he was trying to fucking kill me before I could even quit, but his fucking tracker rose story makes fucking sense. If it's that fucking complicated just to fucking kill someone I'd just quit on the fucking spot.

So, uh... OMGUFS, but with a kill instead of a vote?

Pretty fucking much. It's not like he fucking suspected me previously or some shit like a vig might do.

I wasn't fucking joking on Otto, he was scummy as fuck and now he's a fucking zombie and we don't know what the fuck that means. I guess lynching someone for a test is fucking scummy, but we don't even know for fucking certain that he is a zombie and not just lying to get out of the fucking noose without doing anything.

Your fucking point? We don't know if any of us are lying and trying to get out of the noose by claiming to be a fucking town aligned player.

Well do you not fucking think his near-lynch was justified last time? Has he fucking done anything to fucking convince you that he's town now?

I voted him to lynch him to see what the fuck would happen, not just get a fucking rise out of him. I guess that's normally much fucking worse, but the only fucking reason he's still alive was offering to do something he didn't so why the fuck not? It's not like he's all fucking townlike recently.

I fucking agreed that Ottofar was scummy a while ago, but your attack on him is completely fucking ridiculous and scummy. You make some vague intonation that everyone thought he was scummy before, why don't we go back to fucking lynching him to "see what happens". It strikes me as someone who doesn't give a fuck about finding the alignment of the lynchee. I quit.

To be perfectly fucking fair, his zombieness helps with that, because we don't know what they fucking do, if he even fucking is one. If not, that's fucking that and I'm fucking quitting.

Went to concerts. Bought some fucking stuff. Maple tea is fucking good. Good enough to make me want to quit.

Okay. I don't like the "see what happens" idea when it comes to lynching anyfuckingone. However, Ottofar's fucking behaviour is particularly bad right now. He needs to be useful. "Might do something tomorrow" isn't fucking good enough.

IronyOwl: To clarify the "Earlier In The Fucking Game" bit, how does "he's sort of passed the Noobscum/RiA Event Horizon for me" fucking mean "He's probably not scum"? Am I fucking misunderstanding it?