We have beaten City and United in recent times and even if we can only draw with them on the day we can at least have the opportunity to out gun them in a penalty shootout which is anyones game.

If we do get through I hope it is a Sunday cos I wont have to try and book it off work

I remember all the hype about that so called "dream final". That all came about just because Jurgen Klinnsman played for Spurs and, being the consummate professional, said all the right things about the FA Cup, which made the press love him. Loved it when we stuffed them. If the dopey ref had done it right they would never have got the penalty and we would have won the cup without conceding a goal.

I remember all the hype about that so called "dream final". That all came about just because Jurgen Klinnsman played for Spurs and, being the consummate professional, said all the right things about the FA Cup, which made the press love him. Loved it when we stuffed them. If the dopey ref had done it right they would never have got the penalty and we would have won the cup without conceding a goal.

yeah proper soft pen. Sheringham dived. Klinsmann scored in every round that year. Made up we stuffed them in that semi

With vic back fit again, what are people's thoughts on who should start v Wigan personally I'd go with vic, not only is yelavic not scoring his touch is awful as well so it's vic for me for the big match

Think the draw takes place sun and the FA will decide early next week I think. The most appetising game is usually the Saturday. So I reckon Man United v Man City will be the Saturday and Wigan v Millwall on Sunday

Think the draw takes place sun and the FA will decide early next week I think. The most appetising game is usually the Saturday. So I reckon Man United v Man City will be the Saturday and Wigan v Millwall on Sunday

Haha it's the last time I post a nickname team I promise!(though you may make sure of that anyway!)

can you somehow auto correct Tinga to Heitinga though please? (when people use that to describe Heitinga, not for the user 'Tinga')

Just been in your place, if anyone buys that abomination of a combo in the Ralph Lauren section, the green striped shirt with the orange jumper tied over the shoulder you are allowed to kill them, I said so.

Just been in your place, if anyone buys that abomination of a combo in the Ralph Lauren section, the green striped shirt with the orange jumper tied over the shoulder you are allowed to kill them, I said so.

Anyone who ties a jumper over the shoulder is a certified cunt anyway. The world is divided into, "around waist" and "around shoulder" people.

what was the point then?if we draw on Saturday you would rather just assume that we wont be good enough to win a semi final?

We could beat Man United at home and they are the best team left in the competition. If we need a replay to get through against Wigan then so be it

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

Come on mate, you've been a Blue long enough to know the truth of this!

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

We failed to beat Oldham in one go.. Does that mean we can't go on a beat Man U or City?

That's exactly the point. If we failed to beat wigan at home, a team the shite demolished away a week ago, then not only would we not deserve to go through but on the off chance that we did after a replay are you seriously suggesting that we'd then go on to beat Man U or City?

Well stranger things have happened mate seriously!we have beaten both of those sides in our very recent history. Trolls like you will moan about it not being possible but it is!

Mucha didn't do anything to disgrace himself last week. He hasn't covered himself in glory in the past but you can only go on current form and if Howard doesn't make it I wouldn't say it makes us significantly more vulnerable with Mucha in the team (waits for Mucha howler tomorrow).

Mucha didn't do anything to disgrace himself last week. He hasn't covered himself in glory in the past but you can only go on current form and if Howard doesn't make it I wouldn't say it makes us significantly more vulnerable with Mucha in the team (waits for Mucha howler tomorrow).

Mucha may or may not make a howler. I just know that when Howard makes one I'm never surprised

Greg O'Keeffe - David Moyes harbouring outside chance that Howard will be back for Stoke game on March 30 but it's in the balance

The very last team I want to see an Everton player with a broken back come back into the team for is fucking Stoke! Give him another few days off because you know those cunts will deliberately aim to 'test Howard's recovery'.

I'd rather have him available later in the season than crippled for life.

There is an art to protecting a vulnerable goalkeeper that not many centre halves these days seem to possess. Maybe the game has evolved or maybe there is just too much for a PL defender to do without having to protect his keeper as well.

I had no idea that McManaman used to be in our youth system up until a couple of months a go, but he is very talented. Doesn't look like the type of player we'd let leave, obviously he might not have been so promising 5 years a go or how ever many it was, he's definitely impressed at Wigan though. I'd have him over Naismith! :thumbsup:

I just want to see Barkley given a run out for at least 20 mins . Naismith couldn't control a bag of cement and is possibly the worse player in our squad . However I predict Gibson for Neville , Naismith for Osman and Anichebe for Jelavic .

Either way Moyes picks this team. Moyes is the manager Of this team he's clearly not doing it now he can't motivate a team atall for this He needs to go now This is embarrassing Moyes fuck of you inept prick

Was it Bolton when he was sat at the end of the bench in the rain when we were losing... looked completely out of ideas. It's like that all over again, can't wait to see how the team reacts to his team talk now.

With the exception of Neville, I don't blame the players. This is totally Moyes and his absolute back-to-basics pragmatist bullshit. Fellaini is so much a better player than this. People have a go but he is not this type of player. What do people expect of him and Jelavic when it's just long slow lofted balls to their heads? What the absolute fuck are they supposed to do with that?

I'm very superstitious so we all need to change seats at halftime, get a fresh bevie, and have everyone else you are with do the same. I definitely think the team will feel the change and score around ~7 for us.

So... What are your thoughts boys. It's all well acting like spoilt brats but we have 45 minutes left. Can we do it? We know Wigan a re brittle.Can we get one quickly and then lay siege? Perhaps their goalie sent off and a penalty?We have to keep hoping.

anyone else feel like this is rough on mucha? ive been keen to see him get some time, but to be fair hasnt done much wrong, and hasnt looked like a keeper whose been on the bench for years..

also - notice that as soon as osman has the ball, 2 defenders are on him straight away.. and neville is in space.. i think gibson or better barkley would change this, we need another creative outlet in the midfield..

Deserve everything we got as he set out with the intention to keep it tight and launch the long ball. Wigan played the right way and it paid off, no doubt we will see the same team come back out and go again in the hope of miracle.

Why is it ok for Neville to give the ball away but a 18year old talent whose learning the game does it and isnt seen again? why does he persist on hoofing the ball repeatedly when it doesn't work? Wy when we close Wigan down they play it around us but when they close us down we sh*t ourselves and hoof it.

Why is Moyes a bottler?

Ive said before and I still think that Moyes will never manage a top club as he buckles under pressure and expectation.

Easier to get a semi final ticket from the Wigan box office...................what is wrong with our players? You spend all week really looking forward to the game, it's on TV and they can't even pass the ball to each other.

Why are we still hoofing it up to Fellaini when he hasn't been in the United game form since then?

I think Moyes really needs to fuck off now.

Granted, he's not the only one (feel for Mucha, Baines and possibly Mirallas and Jelavic as they're trying hard) but he's been disgraceful in this first 45, and apart from hauling Neville off as well Fellaini would be the other to make way. Gibson and Anichebe to replace them and just go for it.

Why would they? There's no sign they're playing for him at the moment.

Since he said he was waiting to see how we did in the league and the cup we've been awful.

This. We need change. His waffling has completely stalled our progression and tactics. We need to spice things up with a fresh manager and ideas as our players don't seem to be inspired by Moyes any more.

Change is often good. He's needed to go for a few seasons now if we're honest. We peaked in 2009 under him.

I don't disagree. But I'm just concerned about who the potential next manager might be.

You don't see any realistic scenario, do you, where we take a step forward after Moyes? We've been a Top 6/FA Cup hopeful side consistently for years. Are we going to realistically win a trophy and stand shoulder to shoulder with Arsenal, Spurs and rs for Champions League after a managerial change?

I don't disagree. But I'm just concerned about who the potential next manager might be.

You don't see any realistic scenario, do you, where we take a step forward after Moyes? We've been a Top 6/FA Cup hopeful side consistently for years. Are we going to realistically win a trophy and stand shoulder to shoulder with Arsenal, Spurs and rs for Champions League after a managerial change?

Don't think so mate! Hence, I'm worried!

It's the same deal if he stays or goes though. Isn't it? He'll never win anything for us, we've been declining for a few years now. At least with a new manager you have the hope of something new and with these players they have the potential to be better.

It's the same deal if he stays or goes though. Isn't it? He'll never win anything for us, we've been declining for a few years now. At least with a new manager you have the hope of something new and with these players they have the potential to be better.

It's the same deal if he stays or goes though. Isn't it? He'll never win anything for us, we've been declining for a few years now. At least with a new manager you have the hope of something new and with these players they have the potential to be better.

It's not that. I just think its being painted as change must be better, judging by most of our previous managers that isn't overly likely to be the case.

It's hard to defend Moyes in a match thread like this but it's as much about the players as it is Moyes and unless we have the money to replace players we will always be battling against expectations.

I'd by far prefer Kenwright out the door first.

No one's painted change as being better. You could be right and it does turn out worse, but I personally would like to take that chance. We should keep Moyes though as a scout as he is excellent at spotting talent; that's really his main credentials. Imagine someone with tactical nous with these players though?

Never been so pissed off watching Everton! Utter disgraceful, can't even play simple passes to each other. Neville should never play again and I hope Moyes goes now as we need something different. Season over and Liverpool will finish above us. Joke!

That's Moyes done for me. Highly reminiscent of Walter Smiths' last match in charge, where ironically we lost 3-0 to Middlesbrough in an FA Cup quarter final too.

Fellaini, as stated by me earlier, was a disgrace and I wasn't surprised to see him roundly booed off the field.

Cup dream over, players' confidence will be unbelievably low after that and with no word on if the manager is staying then this season looks like it could be done with. Sorry if that's overly dramatic, but it's hard to feel any sort of optimism now.

That's Moyes done for me. Highly reminiscent of Walter Smiths' last match in charge, where ironically we lost 3-0 to Middlesbrough in an FA Cup quarter final too.

Fellaini, as stated by me earlier, was a disgrace and I wasn't surprised to see him roundly booed off the field.

Cup dream over, players' confidence will be unbelievably low after that and with no word on if the manager is staying then this season looks like it could be done with. Sorry if that's overly dramatic, but it's hard to feel any sort of optimism now.

That's Moyes done for me. Highly reminiscent of Walter Smiths' last match in charge, where ironically we lost 3-0 to Middlesbrough in an FA Cup quarter final too.

Fellaini, as stated by me earlier, was a disgrace and I wasn't surprised to see him roundly booed off the field.

Cup dream over, players' confidence will be unbelievably low after that and with no word on if the manager is staying then this season looks like it could be done with. Sorry if that's overly dramatic, but it's hard to feel any sort of optimism now.

Sums it up for me too. Second part of last season, it was beginning to look like he was making progress and even being more tactically aware, but this season has really shown up how reactive he is. And even then, his reactions are slow. We need a proactive manager. He's stale and we're stale.

That's Moyes done for me. Highly reminiscent of Walter Smiths' last match in charge, where ironically we lost 3-0 to Middlesbrough in an FA Cup quarter final too.

Fellaini, as stated by me earlier, was a disgrace and I wasn't surprised to see him roundly booed off the field.

Cup dream over, players' confidence will be unbelievably low after that and with no word on if the manager is staying then this season looks like it could be done with. Sorry if that's overly dramatic, but it's hard to feel any sort of optimism now.

Agree completely. As for Fellaini, a lot of commentators and pundits cant believe he was roundly booed as he's been one of or best players but im sorry, as much as it pains us we can accept someone having a bad game but trying hard. However what we can't accept is someone having a shit game and not being arsed about it and giving away passes then shrugging his shoulders leaving other players to try and win the ball back.

wigan were good tactically and played better football we did not seem to have any tactics or ideas. they deserved to win.

it was nice to see barkley, even for a few minutes, a shame we do not give young players more of a chance like other teams. wigan's young player scored a great goal today, i heard he was formally at everton. if he was still at everton, do you think he would be starting the match today like he was for wigan?

wigan were good tactically and played better football we did not seem to have any tactics or ideas. they deserved to win.

it was nice to see barkley, even for a few minutes, a shame we do not give young players more of a chance like other teams. wigan's young player scored a great goal today, i heard he was formally at everton. if he was still at everton, do you think he would be starting the match today like he was for wigan?

Everyone is going on about moyes, yes he should't have played 1 or 2 that started but the players on that pitch should of still won the game, from the first minute there was no passion at all noone looked like they cared.

Everyone is going on about moyes, yes he should't have played 1 or 2 that started but the players on that pitch should of still won the game, from the first minute there was no passion at all noone looked like they cared.

Anybody who starts a league 2 standard midfielder in the most important game of the season deserves all the blame.

It's been a long time since I've seen so many players in one game, misplace their passing. Osman, Fellaini , Pienaar, Neville. I haven't seen a shambles like that since the WBA home defeat 4-1 I think it was. I just don't get what just happened to a very good team?

Anybody who starts a league 2 standard midfielder in the most important game of the season deserves all the blame.

Mate the whole team were shocking, we have won many games with neville on the pitch we should have still won the game even if he was playing, i don't he should have started but whole team showed nothing all game.

It's been a long time since I've seen so many players in one game, misplace their passing. Osman, Fellaini , Pienaar, Neville. I haven't seen a shambles like that since the WBA home defeat 4-1 I think it was. I just don't get what just happened to a very good team?

The manager has probably had them shitting themselves all week, like he does every time we go to Old Trafford, Arsenal, Stamford Bridge or Analfield

Everyone is going on about moyes, yes he should't have played 1 or 2 that started but the players on that pitch should of still won the game, from the first minute there was no passion at all noone looked like they cared.

Don't buy that at all. Well, maybe psychologically the players thought that the match was already won, but does it excuse Moyes from changing tactics as soon as he saw it wasn't working? Even at 3-0 down he kept the same tired, boring formation and tactics until half time arrived. He's done, it's as simple as that.

Who's arsed? They were tactically better than us today, and really wanted that trip to Wembley. Even if they get thumped by someone like United, Chelsea or City in the semi final at least they got there. They played us off the park in the first half and rightfully deserved their win, irregardless of how well they're supported.

Mate the whole team were shocking, we have won many games with neville on the pitch we should have still won the game even if he was playing, i don't he should have started but whole team showed nothing all game.

Wigan heavily pressured Pienaar, Mirallas, Osman whenever they had the ball, meaning in the first half the only play with any space was Neville, if that had been Gibson then we'd have had far more joy as he's 100 times the footballer.

I just can't understand why Osman, Neville and Jelavic all start. Barkley came on and looked like he actually wanted to get us back into the game he can't do any worse than Neville who really needs to retire or appear very rarely as back up. We constantly hoof the ball up to Fellaini yet we have players who play it brilliantly on the floor. Mirallas is quality so play to his strengths.

Moyes has really got to go now, he's tactically inept and the fact he plays Neville over Barkley is astonishing, some fresh blood needs to be brought in, i'd even go as far as selling Fellaini to bolster the squad.

Also what was with Baines hitting the ball out for Myiachi when he was off the pitch and able to get aid from the Wigan physios?

Everyone is going on about moyes, yes he should't have played 1 or 2 that started but the players on that pitch should of still won the game, from the first minute there was no passion at all noone looked like they cared.

No blame at the feet of Moyesy then?.

Surely he should of got the players more up for the game than they were, thats what he´s payed to do right?!

We are so damn predictable. Moyes likes to come across as a thinker but I don't think he's that bright to be honest. We just play the same way regardless. What's the point?

Best post so far . Tactically obliterated by his opposite number today . Kenwright should let him walk away . These players could do so much better with some fresh coaching ideas instead of the boring predictability of Moyes . Its time .

Anyone else get bad deja vu watching that? 11 years apart, FA Cup quarters, embarrassed 3-0 with the goals coming in short time and what happens next? The manager goes (which is what will happen with Moyes now)

Anyone else get bad deja vu watching that? 11 years apart, FA Cup quarters, embarrassed 3-0 with the goals coming in short time and what happens next? The manager goes (which is what will happen with Moyes now)

Moyes' interview is on the website. It's a load of crap calling for a quick recovery and this defeat won't effect the rest of the season. The season is over now you idiot, we have nothing to play for. It's time for change and hope he fucks off!

Moyes' interview is on the website. It's a load of crap calling for a quick recovery and this defeat won't effect the rest of the season. The season is over now you idiot, we have nothing to play for. It's time for change and hope he fucks off!

Could of sworn we have a brilliant chance of bringing european nights back to Goodison.

Moyes' interview is on the website. It's a load of crap calling for a quick recovery and this defeat won't effect the rest of the season. The season is over now you idiot, we have nothing to play for. It's time for change and hope he fucks off!

Hopefully it will effect the rest of the season. Dropped points along with poor perforances against Norwich, Villa, Man U and Swansea recently have showed we're on a poor run of form and that managers have figured out how to deal with us. Hopefully this thrashing will be a wake- up call to Moyes that he needs to change some of the personnel but especially our style of play.

Anyone else get bad deja vu watching that? 11 years apart, FA Cup quarters, embarrassed 3-0 with the goals coming in short time and what happens next? The manager goes (which is what will happen with Moyes now)

Difficult to be rational after that but our league position and a cup qtr final still confirm this team is streets ahead of many we have endured since '95. Makes it all the harder to understand the shambles that unfolded.

Would anyone else except DM pair Osman and Neville in midfield. Would anyone else be so bloody minded as to leave Ossie on for 90 minutes and take off your two biggest goal threats when 3-0 down.

The players need to take a good look at themselves - recent weeks a few acting like petulant school kids and forgetting to do the basics.

Again crowd was poor - my eleven year old asked why no one was getting behind the team before they scored.

Moyes' interview is on the website. It's a load of crap calling for a quick recovery and this defeat won't effect the rest of the season. The season is over now you idiot, we have nothing to play for. It's time for change and hope he fucks off!

He really has no choice not to give a positive interview, But I do think he's been really lenient with the criticism, he should have levelled at the team.

Just got back from the game. Fucking disgrace, felli getting booed off the pitch and I wouldn't give a shit if he never played for us again. Moyes should leave, but no balls so will he fuck.Guy near me in LG broke his hand punching the wall and loads got kicked out for fighting. Should have been singing we were on the way to Wembley shakeyheadman

knobheadwatch: the meathead next to me called phil neville a 'munich bastard'. - not into that like!

any truth in the rumours of mirallas and fellaini on the booze last night?

Fellaini is a model pro. At least that has always been the word. He wasn't very professional today. he could well of had a hangover the kip of his game. Mirallas worked hard, but didn't get much help. He might well of been on J20 if they did? Just my slant on the possible scandal !!!!

Was glad Fellaini got boo'd. Shows that no matter how good you are, that if you look like you aren't arsed and play like you're not arsed then we'll let you know about it.

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This! He pissed me off all game strolling around making no effort at all. Gave the ball away and then moaned about it and just stood there. Not even arsed if he leaves in the summer, we could get a few decent players for him. We hoof it up to much when he plays as well.

Felli had an interview this week, where he stated he was a midfielder.. He was happy he was scoring (12 goals) but insisted he wanted to play in midfield.

Im sure if he was in midfield, and not neville. he wouldnt have given up/result would have not been 0-3... Fellaini's temperament is different... Yes he shouldnt have given up.. but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.. Im sure it fucks off our skillful/technical players, when they know they are playing with ten men, everytime Neville(Naismith) starts,

Not saying Felli didnt play shit, he did. Nothing wrong with giving up, when the rest of the team are also playing shit..(making basic errors) which make you wonder, why should i try.

Felli had an interview this week, where he stated he was a midfielder.. He was happy he was scoring (12 goals) but insisted he wanted to play in midfield.

Im sure if he was in midfield, and not neville. he wouldnt have given up/result would have not been 0-3... Fellaini's temperament is different... Yes he shouldnt have given up.. but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.. Im sure it fucks off our skillful/technical players, when they know they are playing with ten men, everytime Neville(Naismith) starts,

Not saying Felli didnt play shit, he did. Nothing wrong with giving up, when the rest of the team are also playing shit..(making basic errors) which make you wonder, why should i try.

Felli had an interview this week, where he stated he was a midfielder.. He was happy he was scoring (12 goals) but insisted he wanted to play in midfield.

Im sure if he was in midfield, and not neville. he wouldnt have given up/result would have not been 0-3... Fellaini's temperament is different... Yes he shouldnt have given up.. but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.. Im sure it fucks off our skillful/technical players, when they know they are playing with ten men, everytime Neville(Naismith) starts,

Not saying Felli didnt play shit, he did. Nothing wrong with giving up, when the rest of the team are also playing shit..(making basic errors) which make you wonder, why should i try.

Midfielders go in for tackles, jump for headers in the middle of the pitch, i have never seen fellaini go in for a tackle, or win a header in midfield, he only seems to jump for corners.

Midfielders go in for tackles, jump for headers in the middle of the pitch, i have never seen fellaini go in for a tackle, or win a header in midfield, he only seems to jump for corners.

He made more tackles than any other player in our squad last season- when he was playing in his favoured position. Agree that he has been rubbish outside of set pieces for pretty much the whole season- yet for some reason Moyes' keeps playing him up front. Clueless.

surely Moyes knows that Neville is wank!!! surely he sees all the miss placed passes and shocking crosses, the slow running and panic when under pressure?

i read something on twitter which sums him up - "yes he might be a good professional, he might go to bed early and eat bananas but he can't play football"

i've always backed Neville but this season he's showed he has nothing to offer us, he earns too much and produces so little, if he's that good a pro get him coaching as on the pitch he's not at the standard required

He made more tackles than any other player in our squad last season- when he was playing in his favoured position. Agree that he has been rubbish outside of set pieces for pretty much the whole season- yet for some reason Moyes' keeps playing him up front. Clueless.

When i say go in for a tackle i dont mean just sticking your foot out in the hope of reaching a ball, i mean a proper midfielders tackle. ive never even seen him slide tackle to win a ball. have you?

Fellaini was outstanding the first half of the season - it isn't right but maybe he's pissed off cause he was expecting the club to push for fourth in Jan and when nobody else came in he's dipped to the levels of some of the others on the pitch and showing his frutrations, like i've said it's not right but lets not forget he's done alot more than others this season

Fellaini was outstanding the first half of the season - it isn't right but maybe he's pissed off cause he was expecting the club to push for fourth in Jan and when nobody else came in he's dipped to the levels of some of the others on the pitch and showing his frutrations, like i've said it's not right but lets not forget he's done alot more than others this season

No, he wasn't outstanding. He had a fantastic game against Utd in the first game, and has largely lived off that. He's had some great games, and some piss poor ones too. He looks disinterested too. He and Moyes will certainly be gone this summer.

No, he wasn't outstanding. He had a fantastic game against Utd in the first game, and has largely lived off that. He's had some great games, and some piss poor ones too. He looks disinterested too. He and Moyes will certainly be gone this summer.

Not seen him be outstanding this season at all, he has had some good performances, and some shitty ones (where he has bagged a few goals)

Regardless of his personal performances, with out his goals. we would be fucked..

to me he looks disinterested due to some of the reasons pointed out in markys' post (He expect to push for 4th/CL, he was lied to or led on about players coming in/his manager is dithering regards a new contract, he is continously played out of position due to moyes not having the balls to change things, now he is frustrated...)

I can excuse that. he has put a lot into this season (more than any other player we have)

I dont see him leaving at the end of the season tho.. (Moyes i do see leaving)

technically we did, its like saying we would have paid 13.9million for Negrado.. then paying it over 5 years again,

Lucky Standard fell for our bullshit (while Seville), Imagine if they didnt accept tick off of us? no one could ever moan that we paid 15million for a player who is constantly played out of position, and is showing that he CBA.

Theres something about distin that gives me that joey yobo fear in my belly aswell. He was just marking space for their first. Think our whole squad needs a revamp

I think the best thing for everton would be a football manager esq change over next season/New manager, sell everyone and start from scratch. Its just so unfresh and unbalanced its getting worse.One can hope

technically we did, its like saying we would have paid 13.9million for Negrado.. then paying it over 5 years again,

Lucky Standard fell for our bullshit (while Seville), Imagine if they didnt accept tick off of us? no one could ever moan that we paid 15million for a player who is constantly played out of position, and is showing that he CBA.

Most players are bought on the drip.

Fellaini should be played with Gibson, I certainly agree with that. It gave us a strong spine last season, but a midfield of Osman and Neville is always going to be weak.

couldn't catch the match today... by the obvious scoreline and everything i've read on here.... its apparent it was one of the worst games we've played in a while... but in the pages of comments i've read i've not seen anything on mucha

couldn't catch the match today... by the obvious scoreline and everything i've read on here.... its apparent it was one of the worst games we've played in a while... but in the pages of comments i've read i've not seen anything on mucha

how did he perform today?

He done aswell as he could, had no chance for any of their goals. More vocal and comanding than howard anyway!

im not saying that, im saying.. there are valid reasons for him not to give a shit

>Moyes not signing a new contract (can also been seen as him not giving a shit, but he still picks the team,tactics, etc)>He is played out of position, He wants to play in Midfield, where he excelled for us second half of last season (best player in epl at the time)>He saw the ghost bids, for players we had no chance of getting

To use an American tun of phrase it is time to blow up the team and start again. Today I lost hope in this side, sadly, we need to freshen the whole squad up! Also we need a Manager who has a fucking plan b. Jesus Christ

im not saying that, im saying.. there are valid reasons for him not to give a shit

>Moyes not signing a new contract (can also been seen as him not giving a shit, but he still picks the team,tactics, etc)>He is played out of position, He wants to play in Midfield, where he excelled for us second half of last season (best player in epl at the time)>He saw the ghost bids, for players we had no chance of getting

you can fool the fans, but you cant fool the players

There's no valid reason for not giving a shit.

I don't care if he was playing in central defence, for £75,000 a week I'd expect commitment at the very least. I can understand a player having a bad game, especially playing out of position, but to plain not be arsed is unforgivable and inexcusable.

I don't care if he was playing in central defence, for £75,000 a week I'd expect commitment at the very least. I can understand a player having a bad game, especially playing out of position, but to plain not be arsed is unforgivable and inexcusable.

Have you had a shit day? been at work, and not given a fuck? thats all it is.. a job for him..He really didnt look up for it from the start, to me that falls on Moyes, and his motivation.. i stand by what i said.. if i was Fellaini, and i knew how muc hthe fans wanted 4th, was told we would get players in.. then got NO ONE, and felt i had been lied too.. how committed would i be.. knowing the board/manager arent't even committed..

I am sure, under another manager next season, we will see a new Fellaini, once he has been reinvigorated

the fans have every right to be angry, players today earn obscene amounts, the very least they can do is turn up and perform to their best ability.their keeper had his easiest game of the season today, IN AN F A CUP QUARTER FINAL.

the manager has to take some of the blame, but when players come out and underperform people are not going to accept it.

maybe if we didn't go to a match one saturday things would change, but the clubs know how much it means to us, pity we don't mean anything to them, just our wallets.

Have you had a shit day? been at work, and not given a fuck? thats all it is.. a job for him..He really didnt look up for it from the start, to me that falls on Moyes, and his motivation.. i stand by what i said.. if i was Fellaini, and i knew how muc hthe fans wanted 4th, was told we would get players in.. then got NO ONE, and felt i had been lied too.. how committed would i be.. knowing the board/manager arent't even committed..

I am sure, under another manager next season, we will see a new Fellaini, once he has been reinvigorated

Moyes is to blame but you're using your dislike for him to try to defend a player that didn't give a shit today. You can blame Moyes but the players need to take responsibility as well.

We were at home, in a FA Cup quarter final against a team fighting relegation and one game from Wembley. What other motivation do they need to at least put in a decent effort? It's sad that the expectations of fans has fallen so far that people try to validate a not arsed performance from one of our supposed best players.

Moyes is to blame but you're using your dislike for him to try to defend a player that didn't give a shit today. You can blame Moyes but the players need to take responsibility as well.

We were at home, in a FA Cup quarter final against a team fighting relegation and one game from Wembley. What other motivation do they need to at least put in a decent effort? It's sad that the expectations of fans has fallen so far that people try to validate a not arsed performance from one of our supposed best players.

I dont dislike Moyes, I've stated before that I would love him to prove me wrong, reverting back to his 2006? style of attacking the other team..he even use to make attacking subs, when we where defending!! (bring on a striker for a midfielder)

Thats the Moyes i miss...I dont hold him with all the blame, the players are responsible, the issue i was saying about Felli being lied to, maybe a mental issue with him...

Im not validating his dont give a fuck attitude, If that was his attitude pre game, then Moyes should not have played him, He was de motivated at 0-3 down, with all the home fans booing 'his' team..

surly the fans who attended could helped in motivating our team?

It was obvious in the opening 1/4 that we where very reserved/afraid of making a mistake/tentative...The crowd could have provided the motivation.. but once 0-3. the crowd where Horrible..

None of above happened today - players clocked off, DM tried to make a stupid point with subs and fans turned on team - sad times!

................were you at Goodison today ? the fans gave great support to the team . Even with 15 mins to go we were still getting behind a team who obviously didn't give a fuck. Yes ,many people turned on Fellaini when he was subbed and fucking right too - he was a disgrace today. Don't blame a big crowd who turned up when the players didn't.

I dont dislike Moyes, I've stated before that I would love him to prove me wrong, reverting back to his 2006? style of attacking the other team..he even use to make attacking subs, when we where defending!! (bring on a striker for a midfielder)

Thats the Moyes i miss...I dont hold him with all the blame, the players are responsible, the issue i was saying about Felli being lied to, maybe a mental issue with him...

Im not validating his dont give a fuck attitude, If that was his attitude pre game, then Moyes should not have played him, He was de motivated at 0-3 down, with all the home fans booing 'his' team..

surly the fans who attended could helped in motivating our team?

It was obvious in the opening 1/4 that we where very reserved/afraid of making a mistake/tentative...The crowd could have provided the motivation.. but once 0-3. the crowd where Horrible..

So now it's the crowds fault? What do you expect the fans to be like, watching their team playing shite against a bottom of the league team? It's not their job to motivate massively paid players. Our fans have been hard on players at times this year, but it works both ways, the fans can buzz off the players and vice versa.

I remember at one point in the second half the fans really getting up for it, it didn't seem to lift the players though.

As I've said, I can forgive players having a bad day, I can't forgive or condone players not giving a shit.

So now it's the crowds fault?I'm not saying that.. I've stated clearly its a contribution of things, I was just trying to explain from a view point Felli might have,.(i only did that due to 'Evertonians' saying they never want to see him play again, totally disregarding what he has achieved for Everton this year, What do you expect the fans to be like,i expected them to be angry watching their team playing shite against a bottom of the league team?angry. It's not their job to motivate massively paid players. Our fans have been hard on players at times this year, but it works both ways, the fans can buzz off the players and vice versa. yes as i said., its many contributing factors that motivate players, He wasnt motivated when 0-3 accept it, thats it..

I remember at one point in the second half the fans really getting up for it, it didn't seem to lift the players though.I think the players where feeling sorry for themselves, they where probably day dreaming about next season and no Moyes.. The only Attacking player that wasnt day dreaming was Mirralas and that showed.

As I've said, I can forgive players having a bad day, I can't forgive or condone players not giving a shit.will you forgive him in the next match? how about if he scores or plays well against Shitey?

The fans were poor today but that's to be expected, you could hear the lift in noise when Jelavic had that chance but after that there was nothing to get behind at all.

I can't condone people leaving when the third went in though.

The crowd was ace for the majority of the first half. The three goals in 4 minutes just killed it. The ones that left obviously couldn't see a way back more than the ones who stayed. Admittedly, I got off on 80 mins because I was cold, wet and severely pissed off, plus I had a little lad who had just lost interest and wanted his py-jy's!

Fellaini wasn't motivated from the start, never mind 0-3, and no, I won't accept it.

Players day dreaming about next season? Don't make laugh.

Fellaini probably will have a blinder against City. He's getting like that, only lifts himself for the bag teams. Either way, I still won't change my opinion about him not giving a shit today.

You can debate it all day, I'll never accept his attitude today.

If he plays. Something tells me he'll be missing through "injury"

Some of the fans sat by me were going ape when he got taken off, asking why Moyes was taking off one of our best players and, one of our scoring prospects. He had no chance today- he made about 3 runs from midfield, only to get dispossessed too easily, other times he just stood there looking lost and like the player we first got from Liege.

Pienaar and Ossie the same- the arse had just fallen outta the whole midfiled.

lets have a major clear out at the end of season. .people out. moyes, round, neville, osman,hibbert,fellani.players in ist team,ovideo for starters and vellios,plus whoever the new man(i hope ARRY )brings in :thumbsup:

lets have a major clear out at the end of season. .people out. moyes, round, neville, osman,hibbert,fellani.players in ist team,ovideo for starters and vellios,plus whoever the new man(i hope ARRY )brings in :thumbsup:

Velios is not good enough and yeah redknapp will work wonders with no money cos that's what he has done all his career

Fellaini wasn't motivated from the start, never mind 0-3, and no, I won't accept it. I dont either, but what can I do about it?

Players day dreaming about next season? Don't make laugh. What else would you do when 0-3 at home? still 60 mins left, but yet no one was doing ANYTHING

Fellaini probably will have a blinder against City. He's getting like that, only lifts himself for the bag teams.He's scored important goals for us against shitty teams aswell and played well against them.. Either way, I still won't change my opinion about him not giving a shit today. Will you cheer him tho? or hold todays not give a fuck attitude against him?

You can debate it all day, I'll never accept his attitude today. I wasnt trying to debate, i was just trying to show from a viewpoint that might be his.. I really cant accept his attitude either.. but i know in the future i will still celebrate when he scores, still be egging him on to do well..

If he plays. Something tells me he'll be missing through "injury" Haha

Some of the fans sat by me were going ape when he got taken off, asking why Moyes was taking off one of our best players and, one of our scoring prospects. He had no chance today- he made about 3 runs from midfield, only to get dispossessed too easily, other times he just stood there looking lost and like the player we first got from Liege Probably was the worst I've seen him play since his first season with us.. He gave the ball away so many times,(much more than Neville) he didnt look where he was running, or who he was passing too, seemed like he was getting frustrated with himself the longer it went on...

Pienaar and Ossie the same- the arse had just fallen outta the whole midfiled.We have a midfield?? :pNever wanna go through anything like that again. Ever.

This season has been the worst season in terms of hopes being built up, and then being CRUSHED

Every other season, we start shit, then do well.. but this season starting well.. blinded me.. I genuinely thought the team would build on that start, with transfers and improving with confidence each match.. but i got fooled ;/

LOL please no no with the arry chants.. & Velios really?? how can we expect for him? 750,000 to reading? Not good enough when he has hardly played.. and when he has (the last few seasons) he has done pretty well.

This season has been the worst season in terms of hopes being built up, and then being CRUSHED

Every other season, we start shit, then do well.. but this season starting well.. blinded me.. I genuinely thought the team would build on that start, with transfers and improving with confidence each match.. but i got fooled ;/

LOL please no no with the arry chants.. & Velios really?? how can we expect for him? 750,000 to reading? Not good enough when he has hardly played.. and when he has (the last few seasons) he has done pretty well.

what other english manager would you have ???? moyes is fucking about with good young players

I think Mourinho is genuinely respectful towards us and that stems for the general high regard that we've been held in over recent years. However there's no way that respect would ever turn in to him managing us, he'd have far better options.

with out him this season, we would be totally fucked. (we would be missing 12 goals)with that comes a drop in league positions, maybe even a worse run..

I dont mind him not giving a fuck, how can you give a fuck and be serious, with Neville in the team?

As an Everton fan, the very least that I expect from any player who wears the famous royal blue is 100% commitment.If you went into work on Monday morning & told your boss that you were going to do the square root of fuck all because he's asked you to work with somebody that is past his best, would you expect to be able to just amble around sulking all day & just get away with it. In fact, would you expect to still have a job on Tuesday morning.When you pay good money to watch your team play, the minimum expectation is that the players will fight for the shirt. A player who is a little low on form/confidence or is simply having a bit of an off day I can live with. Petulant sulking arseholes who look like they don't want to be there I can't. Fellaini was piss poor today & if he was just having an off day, I could deal with that. However, the lazy bastard couldn't even be arsed to show a bit of willing & fight, then had the sheer audacity to disrespect his fellow players, his manager, and most of all the thirty-odd thousand paying customers with his shitty attitude when leaving the field of play and not even taking his seat in the dug-out to watch his teammates complete the 90 minutes. For me, no player is bigger than Everton Football Club and if he doesn't want to be here, he can fuck right off!

Was at the game and crowd were great until the 3rd went in. But then again start of second half with loads of lads saying if we get an early goal we can do this. The team were pathetic and deserved every boo they got. I don't usually like hearing us boo our own but felli made me sick, lazy arrogant twat. I'm fed up of Moyes walking around miserable and having no bollocks to change anything.

Distin answering loads of tweets and prob doesn't deserve the stick he is getting, but Neville...the fucking pussy has said fuck all. He is usually the main tweeter but staying away in his fucking mansion having a bath in his bank notes laughing like a maniac because of how much money he gets by playing absolutely shite and making us look a fool.

Was at the game and crowd were great until the 3rd went in. But then again start of second half with loads of lads saying if we get an early goal we can do this. The team were pathetic and deserved every boo they got. I don't usually like hearing us boo our own but felli made me sick, lazy arrogant twat. I'm fed up of Moyes walking around miserable and having no bollocks to change anything.

Distin answering loads of tweets and prob doesn't deserve the stick he is getting, but Neville...the fucking pussy has said fuck all. He is usually the main tweeter but staying away in his fucking mansion having a bath in his bank notes laughing like a maniac because of how much money he gets by playing absolutely shite and making us look a fool.

Can't see the need to get personal. Fellaini was embarrassing yes but Neville is a decent bloke. I also think he's a shit footballer but if he gets picked, he plays. His job seems to be just to make an obvious pass etc.

sorry but if you harbour any thoughts that maybe mourinho would come to everton then yeah you are living in cloud cuckoo land

Strangely, I have thought myself in the past that if he's won everything with teams all over Europe, surely the next big challenge would be to take on an underdog and see what he can do with them from there.

Now a few other people have mentioned it, it doesn't seem as crazy as I first thought.

I would guess that it would come down to a direct fight between his vanity and his 'Special One' attitude.

Either he believes he is 'Special' enough to do anything, or he is too vain to risk a great career record by having a blip on it.

As an Everton fan, the very least that I expect from any player who wears the famous royal blue is 100% commitment.If you went into work on Monday morning & told your boss that you were going to do the square root of fuck all because he's asked you to work with somebody that is past his best, would you expect to be able to just amble around sulking all day & just get away with it. In fact, would you expect to still have a job on Tuesday morning.When you pay good money to watch your team play, the minimum expectation is that the players will fight for the shirt. A player who is a little low on form/confidence or is simply having a bit of an off day I can live with. Petulant sulking arseholes who look like they don't want to be there I can't. Fellaini was piss poor today & if he was just having an off day, I could deal with that. However, the lazy bastard couldn't even be arsed to show a bit of willing & fight, then had the sheer audacity to disrespect his fellow players, his manager, and most of all the thirty-odd thousand paying customers with his shitty attitude when leaving the field of play and not even taking his seat in the dug-out to watch his teammates complete the 90 minutes. For me, no player is bigger than Everton Football Club and if he doesn't want to be here, he can fuck right off![/quote

I understand this

To me, Moyes is not bigger than the Club,

If the fans walk out (GIVE UP) after 30 mins, our players cant give up in the second half?

When you pay to watch, you pay to watch. that gives you no RIGHTS, same as if you pay to watch a movie, or a Beiber concert.

Just cos you have paid, doesnt mean Anything. it might to you, but to the club(or the people making the cash)your just a customer/consumer

people who think they are owed something from splashing cash, seriously need to take a look at their priorities.