The reliability of the newer aircraft helped Allegiant set a new daily block-hour mark for a full month in March, hitting 9.9 hrs. per day. The figure “is 40% higher than our January utilization, showcasing the same flexibility that has always been key to our business model, with the upside of being able to peak up the strongest seasons more effectively than as an MD-80 operator,” Anderson said."

The reliability of the newer aircraft helped Allegiant set a new daily block-hour mark for a full month in March, hitting 9.9 hrs. per day. The figure “is 40% higher than our January utilization, showcasing the same flexibility that has always been key to our business model, with the upside of being able to peak up the strongest seasons more effectively than as an MD-80 operator,” Anderson said."

Why? G4 bought a bunch of ex Saudi aircraft cheap as no one else wanted them. IIRC, it took significantly longer than plan to put the aircraft into condition, so for that one, G4 didn't get a bargain. But for the batch, they did ok. There were rumors of non-pedigree components that required R&R.

Allegiant is willing to buy aircraft that are discounted to reflect the service risk. If you buy enough, one always comes out ahead.

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Airbus A320-200 9K-ALF (N264NV/HZ-AS17) Kuwait Airways has been ferried BUD-KWI 8 May 2019 still in Allegiant colors. It has been de-registered by the FAA. All eight ex-Saudia A320s are now on lease and de-registered with the FAA as well. Probably all going to other owners due to what Lightsaber mentioned above.https://m.planespotters.net/photo/95002 ... s-a320-214

I counted 4. Let us wait and see. These require more work than plan, that takes time to acquire the parts, install, and test. The one before is a G4 registration in transition. I speculate Kuwait carries the lease.

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Anyone have any idea of say there top 10 and bottom 10 performing stations right now as things stand? Don’t follow G4 that much self admitingly but curious on if any loose ends could be cut as they continue to grow.

"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee."

Anyone have any idea of say there top 10 and bottom 10 performing stations right now as things stand? Don’t follow G4 that much self admitingly but curious on if any loose ends could be cut as they continue to grow.

It's impossible to quantify things in terms like that, in the way other airlines do. For example, a station like ICT might be very strong at 2x weekly to Vegas, but adding a flight on any other day of the week would be a disaster. Also you have hubs like VPS and PGD that are completely seasonal.

Anyone have any idea of say there top 10 and bottom 10 performing stations right now as things stand? Don’t follow G4 that much self admitingly but curious on if any loose ends could be cut as they continue to grow.

They have some strong routes that are easy to identify, for example:

BLI-LAS is their highest revenue route by a large margin

However certain stations are stronger during certain times of the year, ex. SFB/PGD during Q1

With Qatar Airways announcing the retirement of their A320's by 2024, I wonder if G4 will try and pick them up.

Most of them are powered by IAE Engines, G4 is in the market for CFM powered ones, so probably a slim possibility only for the 8 CFM powered ones in the Qatar Fleet which will be the last ones to retire in 2024 tough.

Allegiant Airbus A320-200 N263NV has been de-registered by the FAA and re-registered as Kuwait Airways 9K-ALE, leased from ALAFCO, and ferried SAW-KWI 22 May 2019 for delivery to Kuwait Airways.

Of the 13 original Saudia A320 aircraft obtained by Allegiant, five have been placed into service; 258, 259, 260, 261 and 262, three have been transferred to Kuwait Airways; 263, 264, 265 and five remain in lengthy refurbishment in SAW; 266, 267, 268, 269 and JED; 270.

The fate of the Saudi A320s facinates me. So slow to entry and almost 40% spun off.

LHA320 wrote:

IAmGaroott wrote:

With Qatar Airways announcing the retirement of their A320's by 2024, I wonder if G4 will try and pick them up.

Most of them are powered by IAE Engines, G4 is in the market for CFM powered ones, so probably a slim possibility only for the 8 CFM powered ones in the Qatar Fleet which will be the last ones to retire in 2024 tough.

The cost if a second engine type is much less than it used to be. At some price and quantity G4 should consider V2500 powered A320CEOs. I'm not saying it is certain, but it opens up a different pool of aircraft.

Since G4 does best hunting for 12 to 15 year old aircraft. That is 2004 to 2007 builds. That is when the V2500a5 hit mass production. So there should be just as many V2500 on the market. Now, V2500 has 2 PIPs ahead of the CFM-56-5 (recall, last -7 PIP still hasn't made it over). This gives a few percentage fuel burn advantage, that could increase the price though.

But a different engine keeps most commonality.

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G4 seems to be doing well at BNA, ive noticed alot of the cities have service into the week of New Years. Here at CID (Cedar Rapids), our BNA flight was extended to the end of Sept. It was supposed to be a seasonal end on Aug 12th. They also added an additional 3rd flight for the months of June and July.

The fate of the Saudi A320s facinates me. So slow to entry and almost 40% spun off.

LHA320 wrote:

IAmGaroott wrote:

With Qatar Airways announcing the retirement of their A320's by 2024, I wonder if G4 will try and pick them up.

Most of them are powered by IAE Engines, G4 is in the market for CFM powered ones, so probably a slim possibility only for the 8 CFM powered ones in the Qatar Fleet which will be the last ones to retire in 2024 tough.

The cost if a second engine type is much less than it used to be. At some price and quantity G4 should consider V2500 powered A320CEOs. I'm not saying it is certain, but it opens up a different pool of aircraft.

Since G4 does best hunting for 12 to 15 year old aircraft. That is 2004 to 2007 builds. That is when the V2500a5 hit mass production. So there should be just as many V2500 on the market. Now, V2500 has 2 PIPs ahead of the CFM-56-5 (recall, last -7 PIP still hasn't made it over). This gives a few percentage fuel burn advantage, that could increase the price though.

But a different engine keeps most commonality.

Agreed, there are enough examples of airlines who fly A32X with both engine options LH, AA and all the chinese airlines. But right now there is a steady supply of both on the market, so I think G4 will not source IAE in the near future, they simply don't have to. Maybe the IAE powered A32X will be even more interesting to the passenger airlines, when the freighter conversion program for the A32X family hits steady production. I believe I read somewhere, that the CFM aircraft are the favored ones, at least for the A320. A321 is a different story.

Nevertheless, at the end of the year, G4 is now missing net 3 A320 aircraft. Does anyone how they deal with that? More ex. Vueling?

The fate of the Saudi A320s facinates me. So slow to entry and almost 40% spun off.

LHA320 wrote:

Most of them are powered by IAE Engines, G4 is in the market for CFM powered ones, so probably a slim possibility only for the 8 CFM powered ones in the Qatar Fleet which will be the last ones to retire in 2024 tough.

The cost if a second engine type is much less than it used to be. At some price and quantity G4 should consider V2500 powered A320CEOs. I'm not saying it is certain, but it opens up a different pool of aircraft.

Since G4 does best hunting for 12 to 15 year old aircraft. That is 2004 to 2007 builds. That is when the V2500a5 hit mass production. So there should be just as many V2500 on the market. Now, V2500 has 2 PIPs ahead of the CFM-56-5 (recall, last -7 PIP still hasn't made it over). This gives a few percentage fuel burn advantage, that could increase the price though.

But a different engine keeps most commonality.

Agreed, there are enough examples of airlines who fly A32X with both engine options LH, AA and all the chinese airlines. But right now there is a steady supply of both on the market, so I think G4 will not source IAE in the near future, they simply don't have to. Maybe the IAE powered A32X will be even more interesting to the passenger airlines, when the freighter conversion program for the A32X family hits steady production. I believe I read somewhere, that the CFM aircraft are the favored ones, at least for the A320. A321 is a different story.

Nevertheless, at the end of the year, G4 is now missing net 3 A320 aircraft. Does anyone how they deal with that? More ex. Vueling?

Allegiant currently has 4 x A320 at BQN; 245, 275, 282, 283 and one at VQQ; 275, undergoing refurb, and another A319; 338 inbound, which will bring them to 91 aircraft. If they can take delivery of two of the remaining five Saudia aircraft currently on lease, they’ll have the 93 aircraft called for in the investor guidance at year end.

The reliability of the newer aircraft helped Allegiant set a new daily block-hour mark for a full month in March, hitting 9.9 hrs. per day. The figure “is 40% higher than our January utilization, showcasing the same flexibility that has always been key to our business model, with the upside of being able to peak up the strongest seasons more effectively than as an MD-80 operator,” Anderson said."

I missed the flex up to 9.9 hours/day/aircraft in March. Having a much more reliable fleet (younger, better maintenance plan vs. break then fix).

If we take January utilization as more typical, or 7.07 hours, I'll round to 7, then buying used makes sense.

However, there must be a subset of G4 lines that consistently runs over 10 hours. That is when the NEO pays for itself plus enough added profit to justify the debt risk I am only thinking a small number for now, in the 10 to 12 range. But a number that will grow as G4 matures their model. I have hopes for a future NEO order. FWIW, I estimate the lines flying 8 hours per day justify buying new CEOs. If 7 is low and about 10 is high demand months, I see a possibility of one more new top off order. CFM still isn't meeting LEAP demand, so they will have to buy relief.

I could only hope. Allegiant's model amazes me.

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I missed the flex up to 9.9 hours/day/aircraft in March. Having a much more reliable fleet (younger, better maintenance plan vs. break then fix).

If we take January utilization as more typical, or 7.07 hours, I'll round to 7, then buying used makes sense.

However, there must be a subset of G4 lines that consistently runs over 10 hours. That is when the NEO pays for itself plus enough added profit to justify the debt risk I am only thinking a small number for now, in the 10 to 12 range. But a number that will grow as G4 matures their model. I have hopes for a future NEO order. FWIW, I estimate the lines flying 8 hours per day justify buying new CEOs. If 7 is low and about 10 is high demand months, I see a possibility of one more new top off order. CFM still isn't meeting LEAP demand, so they will have to buy relief.

March thru August are showing an increase of about 1.5 to 2 hours over the same months in 2018/2017. September 2019 retains their traditional slow period drop. Very little difference in block hours compared to previous years.

One thing that has helped is cutting the number of spare aircraft due to better reliability. They have been operating with only 1/2 as many spare aircraft this year vs the last few years.

Do you think allegiant could add service to Minneapolis in the future? I think msp is a great market for them to enter.

They have service to STC. It would be interesting to see them compete with SY though.

MSP is such a diverse airport. I also see a lot more tourists visit ever since the super bowl was hosted.

They are already in St. Cloud, which is a rural airport close to the MSP area, which is what they like to do at most bigger cities (BLV,Rockford, ect). I wouldn't be shocked if they did add or move to MSP though, as they have been "moving inwards" to big city airports like MCI, AUS, ect

Interesting how every thread is spammed with "bring back paid membership, there are too many spammers"

They have service to STC. It would be interesting to see them compete with SY though.

MSP is such a diverse airport. I also see a lot more tourists visit ever since the super bowl was hosted.

They are already in St. Cloud, which is a rural airport close to the MSP area, which is what they like to do at most bigger cities (BLV,Rockford, ect). I wouldn't be shocked if they did add or move to MSP though, as they have been "moving inwards" to big city airports like MCI, AUS, ect

MSP traffic to places like Austin and Nashville is booming hence the need for more low cost options. These two seem more like Spirit style but places like Destin, Charleston, Savannah could see better low cost service from MSP.

What's going on in SDF? Their web site route map shows that SDF-JAX is a "seasonal route" but in 2018 the "season" was June - August, and this year it's not flying. So - is it really "seasonal" or is it discontinued? IN the past, they have been quick to remove discontinued routes from their route map. Also, what's going on with SDF -LAS? Per T100 data the flight generally has delivered high load factors, but it seems to be gone from the schedule after August. Is this flight going seasonal as well? Will it be back? Appreciate any insight.

What's going on in SDF? Their web site route map shows that SDF-JAX is a "seasonal route" but in 2018 the "season" was June - August, and this year it's not flying. So - is it really "seasonal" or is it discontinued? IN the past, they have been quick to remove discontinued routes from their route map....

I would consider SDF-JAX dropped. G4 does that... they basically run “trial” routes, usually at the hight of the season. If they go well then they bring them back. Last summer’s “trial routes” from JAX were SDF and ORF. This summer they brought back ORF (which looks like may continue as year-round) but it appeared that SDF didn’t make the cut. During the trial, the LFs for ORF were in the mid-90s while for SDF they were in the low-80s.

What's going on in SDF? Their web site route map shows that SDF-JAX is a "seasonal route" but in 2018 the "season" was June - August, and this year it's not flying. So - is it really "seasonal" or is it discontinued? IN the past, they have been quick to remove discontinued routes from their route map....

I would consider SDF-JAX dropped. G4 does that... they basically run “trial” routes, usually at the height of the season. If they go well then they bring them back. Last summer’s “trial routes” from JAX were SDF and ORF. This summer they brought back ORF (which looks like may continue as year-round) but it appeared that SDF didn’t make the cut. During the trial, the LFs for ORF were in the mid-90s while for SDF they were in the low-80s.

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Departures up 13.8% year-on-year, despite seven fewer aircraft in service on average;Average number of aircraft in service decreased from 92 to 85, down 7.6%;Spare aircraft decreased from 12 to four;Block hour utilisation increased by 20.5% to 8.8 block hours per aircraft per day;Maintenance cancellations down 87.6% year-on-year;On time performance was 77.7%, up 2.8ppts;Net promoter score up an average of 8ppts.

Pulled from CAPA aviation highlights (no direct link).

Seven fewer aircraft, but opperating more intensely with 8 fewer spares is a nice benefit of a more modern subtype. On time was... Poor (effects yield). Definitely a need for more aircraft.

Does anyone know distribution of hours? I'd like to know how many lines (aircraft) fly 10+ hours per day. I am of the opinion they are ready for NEOs, but I am looking to become more certain of the quantity. Their current utilization of 8.8 hours is plenty, when considering they park so many in September, for new CEOs.

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Departures up 13.8% year-on-year, despite seven fewer aircraft in service on average;Average number of aircraft in service decreased from 92 to 85, down 7.6%;Spare aircraft decreased from 12 to four;Block hour utilisation increased by 20.5% to 8.8 block hours per aircraft per day;Maintenance cancellations down 87.6% year-on-year;On time performance was 77.7%, up 2.8ppts;Net promoter score up an average of 8ppts.

Pulled from CAPA aviation highlights (no direct link).

Seven fewer aircraft, but opperating more intensely with 8 fewer spares is a nice benefit of a more modern subtype. On time was... Poor (effects yield). Definitely a need for more aircraft.

Does anyone know distribution of hours? I'd like to know how many lines (aircraft) fly 10+ hours per day. I am of the opinion they are ready for NEOs, but I am looking to become more certain of the quantity. Their current utilization of 8.8 hours is plenty, when considering they park so many in September, for new CEOs.

Lightsaber

I see that their NPS increased by 8 points, but do we know what that puts them at? Curious on how ther compare to their peers and other industries.

Allegiant is testing premium seats "Allegiant Extra" Now at LAX, then at GRR this fall and winter. Claiming an increase of at least 6 inches of legroom, priority boarding, one free beverage, and reserved overhead bin space:

Allegiant is testing premium seats "Allegiant Extra" Now at LAX, then at GRR this fall and winter. Claiming an increase of at least 6 inches of legroom, priority boarding, one free beverage, and reserved overhead bin space:

Appears to be a good deal. With Allegiant's prices already being low in a lot of cases I can see plenty of customers willing to pay this extra money to get a seat in the front of the plane with extra legroom and a drink included. I would defiantly be paying the extra money.

Now if the would just add DFW already that would be great (the 3 hour drive to/from AUS isn't that great).

I’ve heard talks of making Nashville a base. Also, many “seasonal” routes are returning as early as February 14th there. Seems like they have found success at BNA

It has been confirmed, at least according to the Allegiant pilot forum, that Nashville will be the next base along with Allentown. They tend to announce these internally several weeks before they have the official announcements.