I sincerely hope that, however they decide to end the series, they do not make Twilight an alicorn.

They could do worse. Introduce humans, for example.

Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:58 pm

IceKitsune

Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:35 pmPosts: 4530Location: Ohio

Re: My Little Pony

Penwrite Wrote:

KJOokami Wrote:

I sincerely hope that, however they decide to end the series, they do not make Twilight an alicorn.

They could do worse. Introduce humans, for example.

I personally wouldn't mind either of these as long as they were handled well and were temporary. Like being an Alicorn was a one time (or something that took a special spell or something) power up, and humans were only like lost travelers that went back to earth at the end of the episode.

Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:40 am

Sleet

Bringing Foxy Back

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:32 amPosts: 16609Location: Nephelokokkygia

Re: My Little Pony

KJOokami Wrote:

I sincerely hope that, however they decide to end the series, they do not make Twilight an alicorn.

It's just something that's been spreading throughout the fandom for a while now. A lot of people apparently want to see Celestia and/or Luna turn Twilight into an alicorn and make her the new ruler of Equestria.

The main reason I'm opposed to the idea is a simple lack of proper motive to do so. For what reason would Celestia be stepping down as ruler? Why wouldn't Luna take her place instead? Why does Twilight need to be an alicorn in order to rule? Student/Librarian to Supreme Ruler of the Nation?

That, and it completely messes with my head-canon that alicorns are basically what wizards are to the LoTR universe. They are just an ancient race that was prevalent long before the other pony races came to Equestria, but have slowly died out over time so that there are only a few left now. (In other words: they were born and cannot be made.)

It's just something that's been spreading throughout the fandom for a while now. A lot of people apparently want to see Celestia and/or Luna turn Twilight into an alicorn and make her the new ruler of Equestria.

The main reason I'm opposed to the idea is a simple lack of proper motive to do so. For what reason would Celestia be stepping down as ruler? Why wouldn't Luna take her place instead? Why does Twilight need to be an alicorn in order to rule? Student/Librarian to Supreme Ruler of the Nation?

That, and it completely messes with my head-canon that alicorns are basically what wizards are to the LoTR universe. They are just an ancient race that was prevalent long before the other pony races came to Equestria, but have slowly died out over time so that there are only a few left now. (In other words: they were born and cannot be made.)

Twilight Sparkle becoming the new ruler of Equestria definitely makes no sense.

Unrelated, but I must not let this tragedy of nerdness to stand. LotR wizards are not an ancient race that died out, they are basically angels sent to help fight against Sauron.

So I was wrong about them being "prevalent", but according to the Wiki, there were originally five wizards, and at the time of the films/books there were only two left. They were, however, an ancient race (they've been around for a couple millennia), and they are slowly dying off. That was pretty much the only point I was making.

See, in my head-canon, there used to be far more alicorns several thousand years back in Equestria's (then an unnamed land or named something else) history, along with other creatures we see in the show (such as Draconequus and the celestial animals of the Everfree Forest). I figure that Cadance was the last-born before the last male alicorn died off, leaving Celestia, Luna, and Cadance as the last remaining alicorns.

The song itself isn't too bad, though the lyrics are pretty weak at points. ("But for now, we're staying out of her way 'til then." ?)

The main thing I don't like about it is the lazy animation. This is the first time in the show that they used repeated clips for a song (I'm pretty sure anyhow), and they even went as far as to completely recycle the animation loop for the chorus. They change it slightly for the 3rd chorus, but it's still mostly re-used clips.

I really hope that it's an isolated incident, and not a picture of what we'll be seeing in the future. Like, they were really crunched for time on it so they had to give it a bit of a rush job; I can understand that. But to really put something like that out as the best they can do? Ehhhh. I hope not.

Kyderra Wrote:

He now goes by the name of DILeak.

Whaaaaaaat? No way. I've been watching his pony stuff on DA for a while now. :)

I had no idea he and Zander are the same person.

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On the topic of the new episode: I thought it was pretty mediocre. Which, by FiM standards, is pretty bad.

My primary concern arose the moment they released the first teaser with Babs Seed in it. The character is very clearly a girl, yet she doesn't sound anything like one. She doesn't even sound like a more masculine girl. She just sounds like a straight-up guy. It's like when they were casting her part, the person in charge never got the memo that they were supposed to be casting a female character.

I mean, most of the background characters we've seen throughout the series have had more fitting voices, but at least with those you can chalk up a bad voice to, "Well, it's a background character." But for one who's supposed to be the main antagonist of an episode? Eh.

And the other problem I had was with the song sequence. (See above for details.)

It had its moments--like the introduction to the CMC clubhouse, and the speech at the end accepting Babs into the CMC--but on the whole, I wasn't nearly as impressed with this episode as I was with the previous three.

my thought on the episode: horrible.First, as it was said by many people already, the music was weak (this day aria still my number 1)As for the plot, it had potential. It could have been a decent anti-bullying episode, but it was utterly ruined with the whole "awwww. Let's feel sorry for Babs because she was bullied too.", that's complete *******. I must say there IS a temptation of joining the bully side when you are beng bullied for so long (I'm a bully victim as well to the point of dreading go to middle school. Thankfully I changed schools before starting high school and, thankfully, I managed to make friends there and I wasn't bullied anymore). But guess what? It's still not an excuse to act like a complete jerk. I didn't feel sorry for that filly. I was ****** *** at her because she was a bully victim as well and she chose the path to inflict pain to others when it's something she hated when others had done to her.I know it's hard and even when you tell your parents or teacher the bully doesn't back down and even fighting back can backfire (I thought back when I got tired of being pushed around and I didn't get out unscrathed, obviously, but it felt good to not let people trample over me anymore). But these options are MUCH better than simple say "I was a victim and now I choose to hurt others. Now feel sorry for me!"I'm sorry, but I can't. I'll simply hate that new character for being weak and pathetic.

Don't hate the episode for the character. I was also bullied majorly in middle school, and I could actually see where she was coming from. She was too shy to really hit it off with the CMC at first, it was much easier to just go with DT and SS. What I actually hate is seeing how she didn't really seem to feel bad about teasing them. Having been in their position before, she should have known how they felt and should have shown something. I think that was the weak point of the episode for me.

But my biggest problem was that I have never heard an accent like that one before.To me it sounds like the voice actor didn't know she was a girl AND didn't know how to properly do the accent.

As for the song, I liked it. And the animation. To me it seemed that the feel was supposed to be like that. Yes, it could have been better, but the repetition was a good set up for the end when they were soaked or had the apples being thrown at them.

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Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:37 pm

mariomarc

Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:18 pmPosts: 1725Location: Ponyville

Re: My Little Pony

i think they were trying to go for a brooklyn accentthat was a terrible brooklyn accent

I have a New York friend. He confirmed it for a very thick Bronx accent.And frankly I love this episode. If anyone remembers my favourite character list, I love characters who can easily be jerks and self serving when they want. But in this case the ending really made it for me. It was like "Remember how intimidating I was as a villain? Well I'm just as scary as a good guy so get out my way!" Which is something else hat made my new york friends happy.

I wouldn't have hated the episode for the character if they hadn't treated the situation like this: "oh it's not Babs' fault ffor being a bully. It's not like she had free will or anything. Don't hate her and feel lots of sorry for her. MM'kay"Also, Scootaloo is officially orphan (yweah, I know. Not really since SB's parents weren't mentioned either, but it still gives lots of support for that theory).

I dunno, given that this is again, My Little Pony, it was right in line with what I expected from a childrens cartoon.

Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:35 pm

IceKitsune

Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:35 pmPosts: 4530Location: Ohio

Re: My Little Pony

angelusbr Wrote:

Also, Scootaloo is officially orphan (yweah, I know. Not really since SB's parents weren't mentioned either, but it still gives lots of support for that theory).

I think we will likely get some kind of answer for that question in Sleepless in Ponyville, or at least something that pushes it greatly in one direction or another anyway.

As for the episode I thought it was very amusing not as good as the last 3 but still worth the watch. The song was very adorable, the plot was completely predictable of course (almost annoyingly so) but I wasn't really expecting much else. Also I believe this is the first time we've seen Sweetie Bells actual home. I would give it a 7/10 overall.

Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:36 pm

Penwrite

Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:03 amPosts: 3407Location: Canterlot

Re: My Little Pony

I think this episode improves when you look at the big picture. We've already had one episode with an unrepentant, unexplained bully in Gilda, so I like how Babs was better fleshed out.

Yea, the story was easy to see what would happen, but everyone needs to remember this is a show for kids. The lesson of going to an adult is actually a very good one.

There were a lot of problems I had in middle school with bullies that could have been solved with going to an adult, but I never did.

Oh, and this.

angelusbr Wrote:

Also, Scootaloo is officially orphan (yweah, I know. Not really since SB's parents weren't mentioned either, but it still gives lots of support for that theory).

I have a feeling Applejack was the one they would go to seeing how Babs was related to her. Kind of like your parents would be the first people you think to go to if your older brother was bullying you.

And one last thing, is anyone else bothered by how short her tail was? It just seemed to be too short for what her hair style was like to me.

And one last thing, is anyone else bothered by how short her tail was? It just seemed to be too short for what her hair style was like to me.

I think that was the point. Her tail was short in comparison with her mane so she couldn't hide that she had a blank flank. Also I think the way her mane always got in her eyes was a sign that she was annoyed that her mane was longer than her tail.

Overall I think this wasn't a great episode. The contradiction in Diamond and Silver's characters (ie letting a blank flank become their friend) was enough of a giveaway that the writing would be a little lazy. But maybe that's why the artists made babs bigger than everyone.

I just read in a paper today that about 1 in 5 children are giving up their hobbies like drama and maths just because they're getting bullied. Although I didn't like the episode i see why so many men like this series, and think this show will do a lot of good for the next generation of boys and girls who bully each other over their feminine or masculine hobbies.

_________________Spike - "Seriously, a talking Dog is the weird thing about all this"

Me - "Not at all, the fact that you're a dog and not a lizard is much weirder"

Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:13 pm

IceKitsune

Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:35 pmPosts: 4530Location: Ohio

Re: My Little Pony

JohnWillow Wrote:

Overall I think this wasn't a great episode. The contradiction in Diamond and Silver's characters (ie letting a blank flank become their friend) was enough of a giveaway that the writing would be a little lazy. But maybe that's why the artists made babs bigger than everyone.

Actually I kind of wondered what in the world were Diamond and Silver even doing at the CMCs float in the first place. They had no reason to be there at all, and yeah them letting Babs become their friend was a silly contradiction.

Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:27 pm

exranio

Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:44 amPosts: 1147

Re: My Little Pony

Not that much of a contradiction. It's not that they hate blank flanks (though DT very well may hate Apple Bloom specifically) but that they are an incredibly easy target. Basically the second Babs decided to decided to insult the CMC it was like "Oh she's against them too, cool." followed by breaking the pumpkin thing which was basically Super Ultra Amazing on the bullying scale (Not to mention better than anything DT had done up to this point which was mostly just harassment). It's basically that despite being a blank flank she was cool enough. The Enemy of My Enemy is my friend and what not.

I think the episode did a fantastic job of showing some of the actual psychology behind bullying, and I'm glad they went the route of letting the audience know about Babs' past. It provided a good lesson, and at the same time gave viewers some insight into the way many bullies are created.

And knowing is half the battle.

My previous complaints still stand, but it was still a much better episode than I think some are giving it credit for.

So, after watching the episode again, this time with my brother, I think I can give my full opinion on it.

I really like it. Babs Seed's accent wasn't nearly as grating as I expected it to be from that one clip, and I thought the voice-acting as a whole was really great. You can tell Michelle Creber and the voices for the other CMC have really come a long way. I also thought the animation was good. Not the best the show has had, but full of energy and movement. This episode definitely has a lot of great faces though, that's for sure.

I like the song, too. Not the best song, but again, not the worst the show's ever had. Reminded me a lot of the musical numbers Scooby Doo had in its old cartoon, which I think was intentional. humor-wise, this episode was in top form. A lot of good visual gags, and the thing at the end with the overly-long CMC induction speech had me laughing at loud. Especially how it was done twice! Hah!

As for the story and its lesson at the end; while I admit it's not the most original, I think it's a very important lesson to teach. Bullying is a serious problem, and telling an adult about it should always be the first option when dealing with it.

Also, movies and motorized vehicles confirmed for existing in Equestria.

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