Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
–George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

However it will bolsters the numbers/statistics used by the anti-gun crowd. All the while ignoring the fact that this happened in a city and state with some of the more restrictive gun control laws around.

Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
–George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence

However it will bolsters the numbers/statistics used by the anti-gun crowd. All the while ignoring the fact that this happened in a city and state with some of the more restrictive gun control laws around.

Bolster what exactly? It wasn't used before and it won't be used for anything because it is "thugs" shooting "thugs." I have friends from Chicago who brought this up back in 2012. This was the year they had 435 gun homicides. No one cared because it was a bunch of dead minority criminals, which to them was a good thing. Again not just media, but the actual minorities were saying this themselves with a few exceptions. Basically, it becomes "oops honor student dies, but 300+ gang bangers are dead." You'll get some anti-gun nuts and the racists using it for points, but the main crowd stays away from the powder keg.

Also, I want you to note, 2013 had the lowest reported crime rate in Chicago since 1972. Yet, they had a weekend 2 deaths shy of the 2014 numbers. Chicago will not be used by pro or anti gun activists.

I may be adding a tad more because the numbers for 2012 are just for one day. It wasn't a weekend, which also plays into the the stats. Many people only get the day off not a weekend when the 4th falls on a Wednesday.

However it will bolsters the numbers/statistics used by the anti-gun crowd. All the while ignoring the fact that this happened in a city and state with some of the more restrictive gun control laws around.

You have a point. Some studies state that if you take the urban areas like Chicago out of the "gun violence" stats that the US becomes comparable to many of the Eurpean nations the gun control crowd like to hold up as examples to emulate.

You have a point. Some studies state that if you take the urban areas like Chicago out of the "gun violence" stats that the US becomes comparable to many of the Eurpean nations the gun control crowd like to hold up as examples to emulate.

Go on and say it, if you take the minorities out of the stats we'd be low as hell. Some people get offended with this statement and then go off on the "system" logical fallacy tangent. While I partially agree, at the end of the day we kill each other too fucking much. If we minorities are so embarrassed, we need to fix that **** ourselves instead of waiting for "the man" to fix "the system."

Go on and say it, if you take the minorities out of the stats we'd be low as hell. Some people get offended with this statement and then go off on the "system" logical fallacy tangent. While I partially agree, at the end of the day we kill each other too fucking much. If we minorities are so embarrassed, we need to fix that **** ourselves instead of waiting for "the man" to fix "the system."

Thing is...the way I see it...is that it really seems to be more about location than race. Certainly the areas I mentioned are predominantly minority populated, but there are many suburban areas that are predominantly black that don't have the same problems.

Chicken/egg? I don't know. But in the scope of history various races occupied the "bad side of town". Which I guess begs the question..how can an entire racial segment of society "fix" something?

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Originally Posted by It is Fake

Go on and say it, if you take the minorities out of the stats we'd be low as hell. Some people get offended with this statement and then go off on the "system" logical fallacy tangent. While I partially agree, at the end of the day we kill each other too fucking much. If we minorities are so embarrassed, we need to fix that **** ourselves instead of waiting for "the man" to fix "the system."

Well, as a consolation prize "you people" are really fucking good at basketball.

Why do people keep using the word "minority"... we the non Saltinae Americana far outnumber the pastier counterpart, I believe.

As someone with the bad fortune of being stuck working Downtown Chicago (the Chicago part, not the working part,) every day I am cheerfully greeted by the spreading "no guns allowed at this establishment" stickers. <sarcasm> That seems to be really helping, because