My story of what its like to be married to an Amway cult follower. I expose the lies that our upline told and what happens at Amway meetings and functions. I leave the explanations of why Amway is a poor business opportunity or the tool scam to other bloggers. This blog mainly exists to curse out my former upline, aka the cult leaders, and to let everyone know what kind of idiots I had to put up with. Feel free to join in or live vicariously!

Thursday, January 8, 2015

Be Abused By Amway Cult Leaders Or Be Your Own Boss

In Amway no real business advice is given and Amway IBO’s
“independent business owners” LOL!!!!! have no clue what its like to be a real
business owner. Real business owners know there are many things they have to do
prior to starting up their business or in the early stages of getting their
business up and running. This includes deciding what kind of business you’re
going to run, where the business will be located, choosing a business name,
registering a business name, getting a business license, getting a tax number,
etc etc etc.

Who remembers doing any of that stuff when starting up
your “Amway business”? LOL!!! The only guys who did remotely any of that stuff
are the only people who really own an Amway business and if your last name
ain’t VanAndel or DeVos – then you don’t own a fucking Amway business!!! Ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha!!!

There’s also other stuff that goes along with being an
entrepreneur. You have to have the mind set or the drive or the inclination to
learn how to run a business. Going to Amway meetings where they draw circles
and tell you how rich you’ll be if you sign up 6 people who buy $300 worth of
overpriced Amway shit every month and they find 6 people and they find 6 people
and then you sit back and retire and do nothing and then you’ll have gazillions
of dollars of residual income rolling in every month for the rest of your life
is an Amway fairy tale. Not how a real business owner runs a business.

Not everyone has what it takes to become a business
owner. Not everyone can get financial backing. Not everyone is physically or
mentally capable of running a business. Sometimes its easier and more
profitable to work a job.

When you work a job you have an area of responsibility
and a boss tells you what you do and if there’s a time frame to get it done by.
If you don’t work in the marketing department, then you likely don’t get any
training on how to market products. Same as if you’re not in legal you probably
don’t negotiate contracts, likewise the accounting department, you might not be
familiar with business banking and paying salaries and taxes. Watching expenses
and creating a budget probably isn’t your problem. Big decisions are probably
made by the company owner or department managers. Tons of little things are
handled by other staff. Office equipment and things you need to get your job
done are provided to you by the company. If you need information or help
getting something done there is probably a coworker who can assist. You may
have a company health plan and pension. If you’re sick, or in pain, or you’re
tired you can probably still go into work and make money just by sitting at
your desk and pushing paper around and trying to look busy. Or if your company
gives you paid sick leave, there you go, stay home and rest. And you get a
paycheck for working there.

Most of the above things (except the benefits and getting
paid just for showing up) are what its like in Amway. Ambots have no
responsibilities in running Amway. Amway cult leaders run their shows like
little Hitlers and order the cult followers what to do. Ambots don’t make any
big decisions. Those have been done elsewhere. How do they say it at Amway
meetings? Just do what we tell you because someone else already blazed the
trail. Being an Amway IBO is just like a job except for the getting paid part.

When you own a real business its like having a job in
reverse. You’re no longer working for a boss because you are the boss. You’re
responsible for everything about your business and there’s no one to tell you
how to prioritize your work, you gotta figure that out yourself. Marketing,
legal, banking, accounting, negotiating contracts, making big decisions is up
to the business owner. And all those little million things that used to be
handled by other people – well you’re the business owner so you gotta handle
them now. Need a vehicle or office equipment and supplies for your business?
Guess who buys them – you, the business owner. Need information or help doing
something? You gotta figure that out yourself or hire someone to do it for you.
You got to create a budget and watch your expenses – critical for business
survival. A business that loses money every month and isn’t profitable can’t
sustain itself too long. If you’re sick, hurting, tired, hungry, you still got
to show up and run your business otherwise that brings in zero dollars. You are
entirely responsible for the success of your business and how profitable it is
or else you don’t eat and don’t have a place to sleep.

That last sentence is why Amway Ambots must have a J.O.B.
to keep their expensive habit of playing pretend business owner alive. Ambots
don’t own a real business so they don’t need to think of it as a real business.
Amway is just an expensive social club and the price of admission is hundreds
of dollars every month or face the wrath of the Amway cult leaders. Another cost is bringing in new recruits or face the wrath of the Amway cult leaders.

There is nothing at Amway meetings or functions that
teaches ambots to have entrepreneurial skills. I’m sure readers get more
business advice from reading this blog than they ever got at an Amway meeting! A
real business owner can decide what conferences and trade shows, if any, to
attend each year. An Amway Ambot gets bitched at by the Amway cult leaders to
attend all Amway functions the contents of which are just recycled every 3
months with the same old bullshit and no real training. Until an Ambot buys a
ticket they’ll be the subject of ridicule at Amway meetings until they crack
down and hand over their money to the Amway cult leaders.

Hi Anonymous - yeah tax season is sneaking up on us again so I'll have to run some more of those posts about the lies you get told in Scamway meetings about how everything is a tax write off. Our accountant disagreed. So would most reputable accountants. They want to deal with real businesses not pyramid schemes. Unless you're running something like a housecleaning business you can not write off household cleaning products like the shitty overpriced ones that Amway sells. You also can't write off XS cat piss water and vitamins and anything else you buy out of the Amway brochure. But Ambots do it all the time anyway and that's the secret to how they make money in Amway. By getting a tax refund by writing off everything Amway against their regular income from their J.O.B. Uncle Sam disagrees. In fact the IRS has its own special section dedicated to instructing their auditors to reviewing tax returns from Amway ambots! You don't hear of the IRS auditing people who eat at McDonalds or Starbucks or buy stuff from Walmart. The IRS knows all about Ambot scammers and when they get audited the shit hits the fan!. Love reading the audits the IRS releases on Scambots!

My only thought was so you're going to declare 120.00 or less in commissions. But thousands of dollars in business expenses? Like the govt will believe you. Maybe at emerald or diamond you can declare xs piss water or some other shit. But averg ibo with no income can't declare squat

Anonymous - ambots do it all the time. One of the very rare "teachings" that you get from Scamway meetings is the Amway cult leaders tell the followers to deduct ALL things Amway. So lets say an ambot spends at least $500/month (lowball figure) on Amway's shitty overpriced products plus the tool scam. And they stay in the Amway cult for a year. That's $6000 in crap expenses they write off on their taxes, against that $120 commission for the year. That's the secret to making money in Amway. Claiming Amway shit off against your regular job income and get a tax refund. So those bastards out there claiming they're getting big refunds and business is going great are all liars. Well everyone in Amway is a liar goes hand in hand. But an even bigger liar. People who's business are actually going great and making money end up paying money in taxes.

I'm curious can the ambot get back a more than a grand in tax write offs? Read a blog where some accountant said you can't declare every year a financial loss in Amway. Also can't declare every dam thing such as gas,long distance,hotel and meals as expenses.

Anonymous - this is why we hire an accountant! I don't know how much an ambot can get back in tax refund. That would depend how much expenses they deduct. In any business, not just phony Scamway businesses, as the accountant said you can't declare every year a financial loss. At some point the IRS expects a business to start turning a profit. I'd say that'd be a reasonable expectation for most business owners too! Really that's why people start a business - to make money. Unless you're Amway losers and get brainwashed into thinking you start a business to become nicer people. LOL!!!!! The hilarious thing is those Amway losers become nastier people because of the Amway assholes they're associating with and losing money to. LOL!!!! A business that loses money every year will eventually catch the attention of an auditor and that's where Ambots get caught. If they get audited they have to submit all their expenses and deductions and when Uncle Sam sees they're deducting piss water and vitamins they're in big shit. Same with Amway functions if they deduct any of those expenses they have to show by attending they increased their business. A physical impossibility for Amway ambots when they're really in an expensive social club playing pretend business owner. What an accountant will and will not declare as expenses and what an Amway Ambot will declare are 2 different things. In most cases ambots do their own taxes or some asshole in their Amway upline helps them and yes they declare everything. The thing is most Ambots quit Scamway within 2 years so they might not have been declaring all these Amway losses for too long so they might have flown under the radar. They just got to hope they didn't piss off someone who reports them for scamming with phony Amway deductions.

Also, people that own their own real business can't get kicked out or fired for doing stuff not approved by the people above them. The fact that Ambots have people above them means that they don't own shit.

Yeah where else buy Amway can you get fired from your "own business" LOL!!!! Actually there's a post somewhere in here about that dedicated to our sack of shit Platinum but he's hardly the first scambot to get sacked by Amway.

Anna, nothing spells big fucking loser in life. That being canned by Amway lol. Heard from a blog poster he can't even buy product from Amway anymore or have anything shipped to him lmao. Reminds me of Kramer on a Seinfeld episode. Where Kramer gets fired from a volunteer gig lol. Only a total dufus gets canned from volunteer work or amway.

Anonymous - that's pretty much right! People who are real business owners can't get fired from their own business! LOL! There are times I'd like to fire myself LOL!!!! But then I just give myself a raise! Well nothing spells out bigger fucking loser in life than being in Amway. And getting canned from Amway means you're the world's biggest asshole out there! LOL!

Hi quixtarisacult. Sometimes Peter stops by here when he has a new link to a Scambot that the IRS caught. Got to love it!

I mean really. How much money does someone have to lose to Amway before they figure out they got scammed? And because they kept believing or were forced to by the assholes in their Amway upline, they stayed inside the Amway cult and kept deducting Amway purchases and they got caught. There are fines and repayment involved here and jail time. All for taking the advice of some assholes in your Amway upline. All ambots deserve to go to jail for fraud but it looks like the only way they're going to serve time is when Uncle Sam says "audit!"

When I was in the upline would say I'm not serious. Because I'm not on standing order and missing meetings all the time. My attitude was why show up with no prospects or put more into this thing lol. When I got out I saw some other mlm deals which cost zero to 20.00 to get in. With better compensation plans. Unsure why on earth anyone would spend that much on a direct sales deal.

Anonymous - I'm sure you got verbally abused by the assholes in your Amway upline because you weren't what they call "a serious business builder". That was one of the taunts I'd hear multiple times at every Amway meeting for the people in the room not on standing order, not on Communikate, not finding prospects, etc.

It is the tax returns of Ambots which reveal the truth that nearly all would love to conceal and do. There is a price to be paid for enthusiasm for a scheme. It provides proof that Amway is not truly a legitimate business but a cult which is preyed upon by upline kingpins and the army of dupes in downlines.

That's right! Even though I requested the people in our Amway upline to show us proof of all the gazillions of dollars they had rolling in from Amway, either profit of loss statement or tax return - they all refused! Claimed it was private, personal bullshit but they knew they'd be caught in a lie if anyone actually saw it. The secret to making money in Amway is to claim everything as a deduction against the 9-5 job income and the tax refund courtesy of Uncle Sam is how the ambots make money in Amway. I even had an ambot show up here once and tell me that just because he was in Amway and a "business owner" he didn't have to do taxes! LOL!!!!

Anonymous - never ask for copies of checks. With all the computer software out there they can be photoshopped. These days anyone can doctor a photocopy. The other scam that Amway assholes do is they buy a shitload of Amway shit and then return for a refund and they show copies of that refund check as proof of what they're making in Scamway.

In order to be considered a "business" and not a "hobby" losses can be posted 2 out of every 5 years - the other 3 years must show profit. We never heard this information anywhere from people in the upline and they encouraged write-offs of everything. When asked about it they even said, the likelihood of being audited is next to nothing. Yet we knew someone who was audited and had to pay a bunch of money back.We were even told to buy christmas presents for our family and write them off. People were even encouraged to eat on the cheap at functions and then deduct the standard allowed amount instead (this number is much higher than what would be spent).

Anonymous - you wouldn't hear this information at Amway meetings for a number of reasons. Likely the Amway cult leader doesn't know about it. Or figures the ambot won't stay inside the cult long enough that it will become a problem. Yeah at Amway meetings they say you can write everything off and hope for the best they don't get caught. But as you noted it they get audited they got to pay it back plus fine plus possible jail time.

Pathetic. A woman who knows nothing at all.You own your own business? C'mon! Real business owners doesn't have plenty of time creating such blog, reading and replying to all comments.If you are, why don't you post the name of your business here and lets check it with the better business bureau, if yours is listed.

Pathetic. A holier than thou, self righteous, sanctimonious Amway asshole who shows up Anonymously because its too fucking embarrassing to admit who you are when you're an Amway asshole demanding answers that are contained within the blog because he's an Amway asshole and too fucking lazy to do the work.

Haha! Talks about embarrassment while you yourself doesn't even have that backbone to put your own REAL NAME on your blog. Afraid of being bugged by millions of what you so called ambots. Get a life sweetie and stop bashing others.PS: Amway will keep on growing, expanding, multiplying across the globe while the only thing grows within you is hatred. Poor thing.Hahahahahaha

Anonymous - it is really fucking embarrassing to admit you had anything to do with Scamway. There are several bananas working on this blog in various capacities and there are only 2 who have put their real names out there. I had to remove the email contact from this blog due to a lovesick ambot and one of the bananas picked up a cyberstalker so yes it is for our own safety from evil Amway assholes who have no problem breaking the law.

Amway growing expanding etc is very good for Amway's owners but how does that do anything for you? Amazon has only been around half as long as Amway and made 100 billion last year. Again very good for Amazon's owners but probably didn't make piss all difference to most of their staff. Just like you don't see Amway's owners sharing the wealth.

Comments are moderated but we publish just about everything. Even brainwashed ambots who show up here to accuse us of not trying hard enough and that we are lazy, quitters, negative, unchristian dreamstealers. Like we haven’t heard that Amspeak abuse from the assholes in our upline!

If your comment didn’t get published it could be one of these reasons:1. Is it the weekend? We don’t moderate comments on weekends. Maybe not every day during the week either. Patience.2. Racist/bigoted comments? Take that shit somewhere else.3. Naming names? Public figures like politicians and actors and people known in Amway are probably OK – the owners, Diamonds with CDs or who speak at functions, people in Amway’s publicity department who write press releases and blogs. Its humiliating for people to admit their association with Amway so respect their privacy if they’re not out there telling everyone about the love of their life.4. Gossip that serves no purpose. There are other places to dish about what Diamonds are having affairs or guessing why they’re getting divorced. If you absolutely must share that here – don’t name names. I get too many nosy ambots searching for this. Lets not help them find this shit.5. Posting something creepy anonymously and we can’t track your location because you’re on a mobile device or using hide my ass or some other proxy. I attracted an obsessed fan and one of my blog administrators attracted a cyberstalker. Lets keep it safe for everyone. Anonymous is OK. Creepy anonymous and hiding – go fuck yourselves!6. Posting something that serves no purpose other than to cause fighting.7. Posting bullshit Amway propaganda. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. Otherwise take your agenda somewhere else. Not interested.8. Notice how this blog is written in English? That's our language so keep your comments in English too. If you leave a comment written in another language then we either have to use Google translate to put it into English so everyone can understand what you wrote or we can hit the Delete button. Guess which one is easier for us to do?9. We suspect you're a troublemaking Amway asshole.10. Your comment got caught in the spam filter. Gets checked occasionally. We’ll get to you eventually and approve it as long as it really isn’t spam.

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I'm married to a former Ambot - one of those annoying commissioned Amway salespeople. Fortunately he saw the light of the horrible cult he was part of and ended his association. I'm here to report on the crap he took and I had to put up with. Hoping I might be able to help some poor souls who find themselves in the same situation I was - married to an ambot.