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In 2010 I wrote in VDARE about the argument between German central banker Thilo Sarrazin and German philosopher Jurgen Habermas over immigration policy. (Sarrazin had published a million-selling bestseller book of tables and graphs of data with the prophetic title Germany Abolishes Itself. Habermas has written at vast length over the years about “communicative rationality” in the “public sphere.” But being factually ignorant about subjects like immigration and IQ, poor old Habermas couldn’t figure out any way to rationally communicate arguments against Sarrazin’s scholarship other than to assert it was bad and false and shouldn’t be discussed in the sphere of the public.)

In the article, I pointed out that Germany has already had lots of experience with importing Muslims, typically Turks (who tend to be less trouble than Arabs), to boost the work force to pay for the German welfare state. How’d that work out anyway?

There, immigration from the Muslim world since the abolition of guest worker programs in the 1970s has been more or less an elaborate form of welfare fraud carried out through marriages arranged to obtain “family reunification” visas. As Christopher Caldwell pointed out in Reflections upon the Revolution in Europe from 1971 to 2000 the number of foreign-born people in Germany rose by 150 percent—but the number of foreign-born workers didn’t go up at all.

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud.

poor old Habermas couldn’t figure out any way to rationally communicate arguments against Sarrazin’s scholarship

This reminds me of a debate George Gilder had with a German gay historian (as opposed to a gay German historian.)

The man accused Gilder of spreading misinformation such as the average gay man having over 1,000 different partners a year. Gilder countered that what he actually said was over 1,000 partners in a lifetime.

You have to wonder how middle-aged gay men would turn out if they couldn't get any sex partners during their lifetimes.

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“the number of foreign-born people in Germany rose by 150 percent—but the number of foreign-born workers didn’t go up at all.”

I can actually remember a time, probably early in the Clinton years, when business groups, Republicans, and/or the Wall Street Journal would actually argue that the American middle/working class was actually a net tax drain on the state because they paid far less in taxes than the government was spending on them.

That was then. Today those very same groups routinely argue that dirt poor, illiterate, fecund, and welfare prone migrants are the key to paying for the welfare state.

After Germany’s defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

The fact, which for some strange reason, is lost on everyone, is that Italy provided the bulk of 'guest workers' to Germany, was the earliest supplier and the biggest supplier.
This is purely logical. Italy is only a few hundred miles from Germany. At that time it was ruined with a mass unemployment problem and a dire need for foreign exchange, and Italians are and were, very familiar to the Germans.

The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them - apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back.

Steve, you’re missing the point. They know it’s bad for Europe to accept these migrants. They don’t care because they’re universalists, not nationalists. The government of Finland just announced they were raising taxes on the rich specifically to pay to take care of migrants. They’re not pretending like this is good for the country in the long run.

They know a few people will die of terrorism, and the welfare state will be strained. But they think it’s worth it to move hundreds of thousands of people from a war zone to a first world country.

Universities and open borders crowd argue that mass immigration is supposed to deliver an economic boon and reduce crime. But we often see the opposite. The open borders types don’t even believe they are telling the truth, they know they are being dishonest, they are just so committed to arguing and winning that the ends justify the means.

The immigrant banlieues in France are very high crime, poverty stricken, social service sponges. They were supposed to reduce crime and provide economic benefit and seem to do the exact opposite. Will the open borders crowd admit that this isn’t working.

US is supposed to be the success story of multi-racial integration, but it really doesn’t feel that way.

Universities and open borders crowd argue that mass immigration is supposed to deliver an economic boon and reduce crime. But we often see the opposite. The open borders types don’t even believe they are telling the truth, they know they are being dishonest, they are just so committed to arguing and winning that the ends justify the means.

On the bright side, note that they're making these arguments. It shows they realize that pathological altruism probably isn't enough, and that they need to convince the public that mass immigration benefits those who are already citizens. They're wrong, but it shows where the battleground is, and it's a battleground that ultimately does not favor the demographic transformers. Unfortunately the damage will already be done by the time they're in political retreat.

Europeans don't consider Turks white. Also, many of the Turks are in fact Kurds. Also, almost all of the immigrants come from the lower rungs of society and there are huge differences between a middle class Turk and a peasant Turk.

poor old Habermas couldn’t figure out any way to rationally communicate arguments against Sarrazin’s scholarship

This reminds me of a debate George Gilder had with a German gay historian (as opposed to a gay German historian.)

The man accused Gilder of spreading misinformation such as the average gay man having over 1,000 different partners a year. Gilder countered that what he actually said was over 1,000 partners in a lifetime.

The German replied, "Well, that's not that many!"

You have to wonder how middle-aged gay men would turn out if they couldn’t get any sex partners during their lifetimes.

From all the posts you’ve made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don’t you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to.

I actually agree that I would like to see more action and progress from this crowd rather than just talk.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

Sailer is wildly entertaining, he's anything but boring, he's extremely insightful, he has built a devoted following, but he's just a fringe writer. He doesn't have any influence beyond that.

Your action ideas are agitate for policy.

My favorite action ideas:- Humor and entertainment. No one listens to angry miserable people no matter how strong their logical arguments are. People listen to those that entertain.

- Genetics. Develop better understanding of human genetics and what traits/genes we want and which we don't. We often think that politicians change the world, but often major structural social changes come from technology. Better human genetics understanding would help this crowd's goals.

Good ideas. Please explain how you would go about reversing official policy in, say, Germany?

I think you underestimate the hold that politically correct thinking and the religion of diversity has on the West. Many of the opinions expressed on iSteve are Orwellian Thoughtcrimes against the prevailing approved beliefs in the infinite malleability of all peoples, the notion that freedom requires absolute uniformity and the jest that nothing really important happened prior to today.

Steve and others provide a space where ideas that are considered perfectly reasonable in most of the world but are often considered literally unthinkable in the West can be raised. Liberalism's quasi-religious death-grip (cf. James Burnham) cannot be shaken off until more people realize that its shibboleths are chimera. The first thing step towards release is to realize that liberal rule is neither inevitable nor normative.

Steve, you're missing the point. They know it's bad for Europe to accept these migrants. They don't care because they're universalists, not nationalists. The government of Finland just announced they were raising taxes on the rich specifically to pay to take care of migrants. They're not pretending like this is good for the country in the long run.

They know a few people will die of terrorism, and the welfare state will be strained. But they think it's worth it to move hundreds of thousands of people from a war zone to a first world country.

No the top shot callers of this madness are not “universalist”…. Inner Party is sociopathic. Homicidal to the point of mass murder.

The Outer Party may in fact contain many idealists. Suckers.

The Inner Party is filled with hardcore cynics. Universalism is just another bromide used to spoonfeed the proles.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

It takes a lot of work to shift the zietgeist. The guys causing the problems love it when you can try something without the modern social mob at your back. You are isolated, ridiculed, and squashed like a grape. Obviously just another crazy fool. Nothing to see here.

An import part of the solution is to actually prove your case. To illustrate your point. To show, not tell. And not just once, but every time. Every time you hear some PC BS, call them on it. Show the whole story. Every time you see something idiotic, point it out. Dwell on it. Rub everyone’s collective faces in it. When they attempt to shout you down, just keep on doing it. Don’t even bother addressing them. Address the rest of the world. Every time one of their thought-leaders makes happy-happy silly-silly, remind everyone that there’s more to the world than the sound bite. Tell the back story. Yeah, a lot won’t get it. But some will. And all this build up over time. Especially today, when everything lives forever on computers.

Europeans don’t consider Turks white. Also, many of the Turks are in fact Kurds. Also, almost all of the immigrants come from the lower rungs of society and there are huge differences between a middle class Turk and a peasant Turk.

A lot of Turks seem to see themselves as European. Here is a statement from the other day by a Turkish CEO trying to bring Formula One back to Turkey:

"Formula 1 is the pinnacle of Motorsports and was born in a Western culture. Turkey is also a part of this Western culture and a race should also be here but the sport is moving the opposite direction; Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Russia Azarbaijan... due to these races there is a loss of viewership from Western countires."

After Germany's defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/…/what-will-become-of-chinas-ghost-cities/
Forbes
Jul 20, 2015 – From shopping malls to soccer stadiums, hundreds of new cities in China are largely empty. And yet more cities are still being built deep in the …They could have Communist Muslim Chinese cities. Germans can import more robots from Japan to do work. Arabs will pay for new mosques to sweeten deal for China and throw in filling stations.

From all the posts you've made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don't you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to.

I actually agree that I would like to see more action and progress from this crowd rather than just talk.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

Sailer is wildly entertaining, he’s anything but boring, he’s extremely insightful, he has built a devoted following, but he’s just a fringe writer. He doesn’t have any influence beyond that.

Your action ideas are agitate for policy.

My favorite action ideas:
- Humor and entertainment. No one listens to angry miserable people no matter how strong their logical arguments are. People listen to those that entertain.

- Genetics. Develop better understanding of human genetics and what traits/genes we want and which we don’t. We often think that politicians change the world, but often major structural social changes come from technology. Better human genetics understanding would help this crowd’s goals.

After Germany's defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

This sounds like pure fantasy. Ridiculous fantasy at that.

The fact, which for some strange reason, is lost on everyone, is that Italy provided the bulk of ‘guest workers’ to Germany, was the earliest supplier and the biggest supplier.
This is purely logical. Italy is only a few hundred miles from Germany. At that time it was ruined with a mass unemployment problem and a dire need for foreign exchange, and Italians are and were, very familiar to the Germans.

The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them – apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back.

"The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them – apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back."

I'm close friends with a younger married couple. I'm not sure, but I believe she emigrated from Germany about 15-25 years ago. She has an Italian name, so I gather her late father must have been Italian. I met her mother once when she was visiting a year or two ago, and she is definitely German, based on looks and personality. The marriage must have been successful since they were married until his death, and my friend has only said kind things about her father. My friend has very dark hair, but her values are definitely Germanic. On the other hand, her free-spirited personality and somewhat wacky sense of humor do not suggest any German influence to me. I spent some time in southern Germany and the Tyrolean Alps of neighboring Austria back in the 60's, and I was struck by the complete difference in personalities between the somewhat dour Germans of Bavaria and the more free-spirited Germans of Tyrolean Austria living just a short distance away. Having met and liked the Germans of Austria, it was hard for me to comprehend Hitler, but then he came from a different part of Austria.

After Germany's defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

It’s rubbish.

Germany was not in need of ‘guest workers’ until the 1960s, when the industrial build up really got going.
Prior to that, it had a huge problem trying to deploy Germans displaced from eastern Europe.

Yes, Germany already has a sizeable, economically useless, left-voting alien minority. So if we want an answer to the puzzle of Germany now preparing to import millions of non-Turkish aliens, maybe the clue is whatever is “lacking” in the Turks they already have.

If you close your eyes and conjure images of vibrancy, maybe you see pictures of Detroit, the latest Soros riot, Rotherham, or Paris on fire? See, that’s what’s lacking in Germany’s Turks. They are not vectors of massive cultural decay. They vote left, but they don’t live left. They don’t set streets on fire and loot what’s left standing. They don’t play Polar Bear. Their kids have fathers.

So there’s your answer. Turks are diverse but not vibrant. But as we all know (if only because the Left has told us) a modern progressive democratic capitalist economy really absolutely requires vibrancy. If you don’t have vibrant, you must import vibrant.

From all the posts you've made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don't you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

Good ideas. Please explain how you would go about reversing official policy in, say, Germany?

I think you underestimate the hold that politically correct thinking and the religion of diversity has on the West. Many of the opinions expressed on iSteve are Orwellian Thoughtcrimes against the prevailing approved beliefs in the infinite malleability of all peoples, the notion that freedom requires absolute uniformity and the jest that nothing really important happened prior to today.

Steve and others provide a space where ideas that are considered perfectly reasonable in most of the world but are often considered literally unthinkable in the West can be raised. Liberalism’s quasi-religious death-grip (cf. James Burnham) cannot be shaken off until more people realize that its shibboleths are chimera. The first thing step towards release is to realize that liberal rule is neither inevitable nor normative.

Universities and open borders crowd argue that mass immigration is supposed to deliver an economic boon and reduce crime. But we often see the opposite. The open borders types don't even believe they are telling the truth, they know they are being dishonest, they are just so committed to arguing and winning that the ends justify the means.

The immigrant banlieues in France are very high crime, poverty stricken, social service sponges. They were supposed to reduce crime and provide economic benefit and seem to do the exact opposite. Will the open borders crowd admit that this isn't working.

US is supposed to be the success story of multi-racial integration, but it really doesn't feel that way.

Universities and open borders crowd argue that mass immigration is supposed to deliver an economic boon and reduce crime. But we often see the opposite. The open borders types don’t even believe they are telling the truth, they know they are being dishonest, they are just so committed to arguing and winning that the ends justify the means.

On the bright side, note that they’re making these arguments. It shows they realize that pathological altruism probably isn’t enough, and that they need to convince the public that mass immigration benefits those who are already citizens. They’re wrong, but it shows where the battleground is, and it’s a battleground that ultimately does not favor the demographic transformers. Unfortunately the damage will already be done by the time they’re in political retreat.

From all the posts you've made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don't you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

It is cheap criticism to say someone should be more effective.

Steve is just fine.

Steve lays it out about as clearly and accurately as possible; and people listen. “Everyone” knows what he says is true. His efforts here have done a lot to help the situation.

The fact, which for some strange reason, is lost on everyone, is that Italy provided the bulk of 'guest workers' to Germany, was the earliest supplier and the biggest supplier.
This is purely logical. Italy is only a few hundred miles from Germany. At that time it was ruined with a mass unemployment problem and a dire need for foreign exchange, and Italians are and were, very familiar to the Germans.

The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them - apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back.

second generation migrants from within western Europe assimilate, so do Germans in Italy and Italians in Germany.

before the events of this summer there were less than 1/10 as many Arabs in Germany compared to Turks. Yet in criminal gangs, street crime etc. there are more Arabs than Turks. Also the Hip Hop culture is dominated by Arabs, which shows that Arabs are seen as the toughest. Arabs are clearly the most problematic group in Germany. Now that Arabs rise from a tiny minority to a substantial fraction of the population funny times are coming

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud

Gosh, you sound ever more like an FN mouth piece (of old, nowadays they seem a bit more sensible, actually). Don’t you get headaches if you think up crap like this?

Overall 14m migrant (guest) workers came to Germany. Of those 12m returned to their home countries.
In 1973 there were 4m migrant workers (incl. family) overall, of those maybe 1m were Turkish. The number of Turks rose to 2.1m in 1999, & since then shrunk to 1.5m, although nowadays there are maybe an additional 1m Germans with Turkish roots.
Turks & Turko-Germans own some 80,000 companies in Germany, mostly small family-run businesses, but still they employ more than 400k people. 44% of Turks & Turko-Germans are what is called “at risk of poverty”. This means, their income is less than 60% of the average German income. But only ca. 350k Turks receive German welfare. The rate is more than twice as high as for Germans, but “a culture of welfare fraud”?
Nonsense.

Any sources for your numbers? I have seen very different numbers, especially with regrads to the numbers of Turks living in Germany. (More than 4 million, but there are rumours that it may be more than that number in Northrine-Westphalia alone.)
You sound like a paid troll for the Migrationsindustrie.

From all the posts you've made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don't you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

Steve has long claimed many influential people and luminaries in police read his blog in secret. If you really believe that Steve then work on policy and strategy rather than wallow in poking fun at the folly. Work to change this full blown disaster into a manageable one. That starts by promoting an agenda that will mean Muslim refugees are set aside for Christians or Kurds (referred to as the vulnerable minorities at risk of genocide).

How do the “German” Turks (including the large number of Kurds in Germany) feel about this invasion of Arabs? The Turks have never really liked Arabs very much (Erdogan’s recent policies notwithstanding) and the Kurds don’t like Arabs either – the Sunni Arabs and the Kurds are practically sworn enemies. Also history leaves behind a lot of bad blood. The Ottoman Turks lorded it over the Arabs for six centuries and oppressed them brutally whenever there was an uprising.

A smart German political party that wants to restrict immigration of Arabs would try to forge an alliance with those people – this also gets around the “racism” allegation quite nicely.

I have a lot of experience with Turks and with Turkey. The women like music and drink and the men like to party. Perhaps this impression is skewed due to my experiences with the western Turks (especially those from Istanbul) but that is what I observed. More importantly, the Turks don’t practice Islam the way Arabs do. Turkish practice of Islam is quite “light” on observance. Some of the Turks I know in Europe even eat pork.

Among the Muslims, without any doubt the Arabs, and increasingly, Pakistanis, are the most troublesome.

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud

Gosh, you sound ever more like an FN mouth piece (of old, nowadays they seem a bit more sensible, actually). Don't you get headaches if you think up crap like this?

Overall 14m migrant (guest) workers came to Germany. Of those 12m returned to their home countries.
In 1973 there were 4m migrant workers (incl. family) overall, of those maybe 1m were Turkish. The number of Turks rose to 2.1m in 1999, & since then shrunk to 1.5m, although nowadays there are maybe an additional 1m Germans with Turkish roots.
Turks & Turko-Germans own some 80,000 companies in Germany, mostly small family-run businesses, but still they employ more than 400k people. 44% of Turks & Turko-Germans are what is called "at risk of poverty". This means, their income is less than 60% of the average German income. But only ca. 350k Turks receive German welfare. The rate is more than twice as high as for Germans, but "a culture of welfare fraud"?
Nonsense.

After Germany's defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud

Gosh, you sound ever more like an FN mouth piece (of old, nowadays they seem a bit more sensible, actually). Don't you get headaches if you think up crap like this?

Overall 14m migrant (guest) workers came to Germany. Of those 12m returned to their home countries.
In 1973 there were 4m migrant workers (incl. family) overall, of those maybe 1m were Turkish. The number of Turks rose to 2.1m in 1999, & since then shrunk to 1.5m, although nowadays there are maybe an additional 1m Germans with Turkish roots.
Turks & Turko-Germans own some 80,000 companies in Germany, mostly small family-run businesses, but still they employ more than 400k people. 44% of Turks & Turko-Germans are what is called "at risk of poverty". This means, their income is less than 60% of the average German income. But only ca. 350k Turks receive German welfare. The rate is more than twice as high as for Germans, but "a culture of welfare fraud"?
Nonsense.

Any sources for your numbers? I have seen very different numbers, especially with regrads to the numbers of Turks living in Germany. (More than 4 million, but there are rumours that it may be more than that number in Northrine-Westphalia alone.)
You sound like a paid troll for the Migrationsindustrie.

After Germany's defeat in WW2, workers were need to rebuild the country. Germany first went to India and asked for men to help rebuild. India wanted money, Germany refused. Next Germany went to Turkey. Turkey agreed to send workers but did not want them back once they were finished. Germany agreed. They have been there ever since.

From all the posts you've made over the last 2 weeks, I see you as a fool Steve. You have tried nothing constructive going for repetitive arguments like this one that you should get a hint by now are not going to be listened to. Even more feeble, you dwell on minor stuff like that sap wandering around with a Merkel picture and the sappy editors who picked him out in three posts.

None of this will save Europe. Why don't you and all these dedicated so-called nationalists in this comment pool who think they know how the world really works creatively think of ways to engage this issue and propose solutions appropriating left wing doctrines that prevail among elites?

Instead of allowing in anyone who gets to the border (mostly Muslims), you should be campaigning for priority for minorities (Christians, Kurds, and Yezidis). You should be thinking of ways to propagandize using left wing language about the need to protect minorities that could be wiped out by genocide. Campaign, petition, agitate for getting these vulnerable minorities the protection that Europe has a duty to provide. You should be thinking constructively now of how to manipulate politics so that Muslims can be displaced from the inevitable masses that now have to be accepted at least for the next few years.

Or you can continue to be repetitive, boring, and bound to be defeated.

No you dumb ass I'm not claiming some kind of power to make changes. I'm pointing Steve's failure. He tries hard to be entertaining rather than think about what he can do within his influence.

Steve has claimed to be a thought leader (e.g. exposing the Rolling Stone debacle through bringing attention to a blog post). If he has the power to influence as he believes and claims, then he should do something.

The fact, which for some strange reason, is lost on everyone, is that Italy provided the bulk of 'guest workers' to Germany, was the earliest supplier and the biggest supplier.
This is purely logical. Italy is only a few hundred miles from Germany. At that time it was ruined with a mass unemployment problem and a dire need for foreign exchange, and Italians are and were, very familiar to the Germans.

The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them - apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back.

“The Italians and their descendants must have integrated very well in Germany. You never hear anything about them – apart from a Calabrian mafia massacre a few years back.”

I’m close friends with a younger married couple. I’m not sure, but I believe she emigrated from Germany about 15-25 years ago. She has an Italian name, so I gather her late father must have been Italian. I met her mother once when she was visiting a year or two ago, and she is definitely German, based on looks and personality. The marriage must have been successful since they were married until his death, and my friend has only said kind things about her father. My friend has very dark hair, but her values are definitely Germanic. On the other hand, her free-spirited personality and somewhat wacky sense of humor do not suggest any German influence to me. I spent some time in southern Germany and the Tyrolean Alps of neighboring Austria back in the 60′s, and I was struck by the complete difference in personalities between the somewhat dour Germans of Bavaria and the more free-spirited Germans of Tyrolean Austria living just a short distance away. Having met and liked the Germans of Austria, it was hard for me to comprehend Hitler, but then he came from a different part of Austria.

before the events of this summer there were less than 1/10 as many Arabs in Germany compared to Turks. Yet in criminal gangs, street crime etc. there are more Arabs than Turks. Also the Hip Hop culture is dominated by Arabs, which shows that Arabs are seen as the toughest. Arabs are clearly the most problematic group in Germany. Now that Arabs rise from a tiny minority to a substantial fraction of the population funny times are coming

Arabs are way more trouble than Turks. There are lots of Arab gang members in Germany.

Lots of Russian-German “Volga Deutsch” in gangs too.

As for Italians, they have a strong mafia presence in Germany. Not much street crime though.

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud.

This tells us something about the native population and their propensity to achieve world greatness.

Muslim Turks in Germany tend to retire early, go on disability, claim to be working at home taking care of children, claim to be unable to find work, etc. etc. In other words: a culture of welfare fraud

Gosh, you sound ever more like an FN mouth piece (of old, nowadays they seem a bit more sensible, actually). Don't you get headaches if you think up crap like this?

Overall 14m migrant (guest) workers came to Germany. Of those 12m returned to their home countries.
In 1973 there were 4m migrant workers (incl. family) overall, of those maybe 1m were Turkish. The number of Turks rose to 2.1m in 1999, & since then shrunk to 1.5m, although nowadays there are maybe an additional 1m Germans with Turkish roots.
Turks & Turko-Germans own some 80,000 companies in Germany, mostly small family-run businesses, but still they employ more than 400k people. 44% of Turks & Turko-Germans are what is called "at risk of poverty". This means, their income is less than 60% of the average German income. But only ca. 350k Turks receive German welfare. The rate is more than twice as high as for Germans, but "a culture of welfare fraud"?
Nonsense.

You make a good argument. Since most of us are Americans and don’t have much knowledge of Germany, could you provide links to these figures.

In Germany if you go to the doctor and say you are feeling unwell you are likely to be given medication to amp up your circulation (IE RAISE BLOOD PRESSURE). It is a different country and the received wisdom attitude to problems (and what’s considered a problem) is totally different.

They refugees will be built houses in Berlin, which will give them a big city advantage. So in a generation or it will be possible to say they have matched or exceeded the native population’s economic performance.

You clearly lost it now. All this stuff you write about Germany is completely made up, nothing of this could be found in your posted links. You may have your anti-German grudges, but the projections you give in to are beyond stupid.

1) The German 'expert' claims, per Google translate, it will take decades to find out if the European countries that lean towards more open borders are correct. He also says sender countries have very high birth rates. IE He is not very helpful.

2) The Economist says, mirabile dictu, that immigrants with the luck to live in the heart one of the world's most prosperous cities do better than immigrants who live in northern England. It talks of northern England in terms appropriate to a desolate, third-world place.

The magazine repeats the canard that Pakistanis were basically a major industrial workforce in the north, something typically used to guilt-trip whites, when in fact their employment as such as brief and limited. Their immigration is essentially a rolling welfare scam.

Given the massive location advantage it is not very convincing in claiming that Bangladeshis are a standout minority. This reads like an article written around a conclusion and ignores the recent exposure of notorious political corruption and evidence of radicalization. The Economist crows about Bangladeshi out-marriage being higher without noting that this is still within the ummah.

True to its globalist, people-are-work-units philosophy the Economist now tips the wildly dysfunctional Somali community as the next break-out community.

The picture accompanying the article shows a scene of Bangladeshi status display at its least attractive. Never of course would this magazine ask how well a white, British community living in that hugely favored ghetto might be doing or whether Britain might not have been better off allowing only smart, more culturally attuned immigration.

(Yes, I know the white working class have their problems; many of those problems relate to becoming minorities in third world zones.)

Steve has long claimed many influential people and luminaries in police read his blog in secret. If you really believe that Steve then work on policy and strategy rather than wallow in poking fun at the folly. Work to change this full blown disaster into a manageable one. That starts by promoting an agenda that will mean Muslim refugees are set aside for Christians or Kurds (referred to as the vulnerable minorities at risk of genocide).

No you dumb ass I’m not claiming some kind of power to make changes. I’m pointing Steve’s failure. He tries hard to be entertaining rather than think about what he can do within his influence.

Steve has claimed to be a thought leader (e.g. exposing the Rolling Stone debacle through bringing attention to a blog post). If he has the power to influence as he believes and claims, then he should do something.

Steve, you're missing the point. They know it's bad for Europe to accept these migrants. They don't care because they're universalists, not nationalists. The government of Finland just announced they were raising taxes on the rich specifically to pay to take care of migrants. They're not pretending like this is good for the country in the long run.

They know a few people will die of terrorism, and the welfare state will be strained. But they think it's worth it to move hundreds of thousands of people from a war zone to a first world country.

Europeans don't consider Turks white. Also, many of the Turks are in fact Kurds. Also, almost all of the immigrants come from the lower rungs of society and there are huge differences between a middle class Turk and a peasant Turk.

A lot of Turks seem to see themselves as European. Here is a statement from the other day by a Turkish CEO trying to bring Formula One back to Turkey:

“Formula 1 is the pinnacle of Motorsports and was born in a Western culture. Turkey is also a part of this Western culture and a race should also be here but the sport is moving the opposite direction; Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Russia Azarbaijan… due to these races there is a loss of viewership from Western countires.”

I read a story in a German newspaper several years ago describing neighborhoods and immigrant groups for which not only were the police reluctant to enforce the law but even judges were fearful of passing of passing sentence for serious crimes for fear of violent reprisals by the guilty culprit’s extended family.

Not even the Mob in America went that far in its heyday: law enforcement authorities were strictly out of bounds. Apparently Germany needs something like the FBI.

A lot of Turks seem to see themselves as European. Here is a statement from the other day by a Turkish CEO trying to bring Formula One back to Turkey:

"Formula 1 is the pinnacle of Motorsports and was born in a Western culture. Turkey is also a part of this Western culture and a race should also be here but the sport is moving the opposite direction; Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Russia Azarbaijan... due to these races there is a loss of viewership from Western countires."

A lot of Turks seem to see themselves as European

Honestly, I thought ethnic Turks were European and many Europeans do. Turkey is partly in Europe.

Dr. Oz (Mehmet Oz) is Turkish and most would consider him a Euro white.

In Germany if you go to the doctor and say you are feeling unwell you are likely to be given medication to amp up your circulation (IE RAISE BLOOD PRESSURE). It is a different country and the received wisdom attitude to problems (and what's considered a problem) is totally different.

They refugees will be built houses in Berlin, which will give them a big city advantage. So in a generation or it will be possible to say they have matched or exceeded the native population's economic performance.

You clearly lost it now. All this stuff you write about Germany is completely made up, nothing of this could be found in your posted links. You may have your anti-German grudges, but the projections you give in to are beyond stupid.

If you listen to the BBC World Service they have interviews and panels with top German politicians and journalists who explain things and give statistic and I can assure you the majority of people in Germany (59%) have no concerns about immigration. It is a lot less than 40% who are worried, probably around 10%.

I provided no links about the differing diagnosis one will get in various counties because it is a byway, and do not intend to engage in protracted correspondence but here is a link http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/whats-wrong-with-you-it-depends-where-you-live-1675127.html

Note that

In Sweden, the use of dental amalgam in "ordinary dental care" is to be banned from 1 June, and will be subject to a total ban from June 2012, because of the risks posed by mercury, which the Swedish Chemicals Agency describes as a "threat to human health and the environment". The use of dental amalgam has been linked with a range of afflictions including depression, tiredness and malaise and has fallen by 90 per cent since 1997. Tens of thousands of Swedes have had their amalgam fillings replaced with new materials.

In other countries, such as the UK and US, the use of amalgam fillings has not aroused public anxiety in the same way and few patients have had them removed. One US dentist was recently struck off the medical register for removing fillings from a patient. Cultural differences do not come wider than this: that a procedure regarded as normal in Sweden has led to a doctor losing his licence to practice in the US.

Germany and Sweden: electromagnetic radiation

The Swedes and the Germans also share a high level of concern over the harmful of effects of electromagnetic radiation – emitted by mobile phones, electricity pylons and domestic electrical equipment. Most studies of sensitivity to radiation from mobile phones are in German. There have been 46 to date but all have yielded negative findings. When people claiming to suffer electro-sensitivity were tested to see if they could detect the presence of a mobile phone switched to silent mode and hidden from view, they were, on average, unable to do so. (Only those studies that were not "blinded" – where the outcome was not hidden from the researchers – had positive results).

Anything to do with radiation is anathema to Germans this is probably, derived from a fear of nuclear warfare. It goes a long way back decades ago In Austria a nuclear plant was built in 1072 and then there was so much opposition, especially from educated young women that if was never put into operation, though it had cost a billion euros .

Germany is abandoning all nuclear POWER, (NOT just the NUCLEAR WEAPONS potential) entirely. This is going to be incredibly expensive, and of course is happening at the same time as other countries like the Czech republic are building extra nuclear power. Germany will be depending on other counties in a crisis and that is the way Germany likes it.

My point is that the reason for all this is very deep in the German national psychology. Germany's number one priority is to avoid getting into another war, and so they are trying to be a post national state. They actually describe themselves as such.

Steve has long claimed many influential people and luminaries in police read his blog in secret. If you really believe that Steve then work on policy and strategy rather than wallow in poking fun at the folly. Work to change this full blown disaster into a manageable one. That starts by promoting an agenda that will mean Muslim refugees are set aside for Christians or Kurds (referred to as the vulnerable minorities at risk of genocide).

You must be the love child of 24AheadDotCom and a clinically registered oligophrene.

Europeans don't consider Turks white. Also, many of the Turks are in fact Kurds. Also, almost all of the immigrants come from the lower rungs of society and there are huge differences between a middle class Turk and a peasant Turk.

You clearly lost it now. All this stuff you write about Germany is completely made up, nothing of this could be found in your posted links. You may have your anti-German grudges, but the projections you give in to are beyond stupid.

If you listen to the BBC World Service they have interviews and panels with top German politicians and journalists who explain things and give statistic and I can assure you the majority of people in Germany (59%) have no concerns about immigration. It is a lot less than 40% who are worried, probably around 10%.

In Sweden, the use of dental amalgam in “ordinary dental care” is to be banned from 1 June, and will be subject to a total ban from June 2012, because of the risks posed by mercury, which the Swedish Chemicals Agency describes as a “threat to human health and the environment”. The use of dental amalgam has been linked with a range of afflictions including depression, tiredness and malaise and has fallen by 90 per cent since 1997. Tens of thousands of Swedes have had their amalgam fillings replaced with new materials.

In other countries, such as the UK and US, the use of amalgam fillings has not aroused public anxiety in the same way and few patients have had them removed. One US dentist was recently struck off the medical register for removing fillings from a patient. Cultural differences do not come wider than this: that a procedure regarded as normal in Sweden has led to a doctor losing his licence to practice in the US.

Germany and Sweden: electromagnetic radiation

The Swedes and the Germans also share a high level of concern over the harmful of effects of electromagnetic radiation – emitted by mobile phones, electricity pylons and domestic electrical equipment. Most studies of sensitivity to radiation from mobile phones are in German. There have been 46 to date but all have yielded negative findings. When people claiming to suffer electro-sensitivity were tested to see if they could detect the presence of a mobile phone switched to silent mode and hidden from view, they were, on average, unable to do so. (Only those studies that were not “blinded” – where the outcome was not hidden from the researchers – had positive results).

Anything to do with radiation is anathema to Germans this is probably, derived from a fear of nuclear warfare. It goes a long way back decades ago In Austria a nuclear plant was built in 1072 and then there was so much opposition, especially from educated young women that if was never put into operation, though it had cost a billion euros .

Germany is abandoning all nuclear POWER, (NOT just the NUCLEAR WEAPONS potential) entirely. This is going to be incredibly expensive, and of course is happening at the same time as other countries like the Czech republic are building extra nuclear power. Germany will be depending on other counties in a crisis and that is the way Germany likes it.

My point is that the reason for all this is very deep in the German national psychology. Germany’s number one priority is to avoid getting into another war, and so they are trying to be a post national state. They actually describe themselves as such.

In Germany if you go to the doctor and say you are feeling unwell you are likely to be given medication to amp up your circulation (IE RAISE BLOOD PRESSURE). It is a different country and the received wisdom attitude to problems (and what's considered a problem) is totally different.

They refugees will be built houses in Berlin, which will give them a big city advantage. So in a generation or it will be possible to say they have matched or exceeded the native population's economic performance.

1) The German ‘expert’ claims, per Google translate, it will take decades to find out if the European countries that lean towards more open borders are correct. He also says sender countries have very high birth rates. IE He is not very helpful.

2) The Economist says, mirabile dictu, that immigrants with the luck to live in the heart one of the world’s most prosperous cities do better than immigrants who live in northern England. It talks of northern England in terms appropriate to a desolate, third-world place.

The magazine repeats the canard that Pakistanis were basically a major industrial workforce in the north, something typically used to guilt-trip whites, when in fact their employment as such as brief and limited. Their immigration is essentially a rolling welfare scam.

Given the massive location advantage it is not very convincing in claiming that Bangladeshis are a standout minority. This reads like an article written around a conclusion and ignores the recent exposure of notorious political corruption and evidence of radicalization. The Economist crows about Bangladeshi out-marriage being higher without noting that this is still within the ummah.

True to its globalist, people-are-work-units philosophy the Economist now tips the wildly dysfunctional Somali community as the next break-out community.

The picture accompanying the article shows a scene of Bangladeshi status display at its least attractive. Never of course would this magazine ask how well a white, British community living in that hugely favored ghetto might be doing or whether Britain might not have been better off allowing only smart, more culturally attuned immigration.

(Yes, I know the white working class have their problems; many of those problems relate to becoming minorities in third world zones.)

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I dunno, I've got 100% positive ratings as a seller on ebay and Amazon without having had to pay anyone off. They discourage you from posting negative ratings on ebay without trying to reconcile problems privately.

Uncle Joe "Wandering Hands" Biden's proposed candidacy and political career will last about another week, in the current climate. He's on thin ice, and about to fall through it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/biden-questions-anita-hill-during-thomas-clarence-confirmation-hearing...

I thought the SCOUTS has held that the 1st amendment applies to foreign nationals residing in the US.
Did they get merit badges for that?
http://www.ocscouts.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/meritBadges.jpg

The company’s LinkedIn page touts Auction Essistance as a haven for users who have been unfairly banned from Amazon or EBay because of negative reviews or false allegations.
So that makes him the Unz.com of identity arbitrage?

I remember Ronald Reagan. I campaigned door-to-door for Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was my candidate. Sir, Joe Biden is no Ronald Reagan.
Anyway, Reagan was 69, just about to turn 70, when he took office. He was about to turn 78 when he finished -- the age Biden would be upon entering offic...

Ever hear of the Werther Effect?
I think of it every time I see one of those candies.
http://www.groovycandies.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/w/e/werthers-sugar-free-minis.jpg
Ayds wasn't immune to unfortunate homophones, and disappeared. But no o...

Presidents ideally should be in their 40s, 50s, and lower 60s. It’s a ridiculously hard job and just comparing the before and after pictures of office holders proves it. There’s a meme about a hypothetical Bernie Sanders presidency that shows before and after office. The after is the Crypt Ke...

A majority of babies being born are of color
This is a lie. It's been circulating since 2011 based on incorrect census population estimates that never panned out. The HHS tracks actual births and issues a report on it every year. In 2016, non-Hispanic white births made up 53.7% of all births i...

Joe,
This Californian is waiting for those old Dems to just retire and move off the stage already. At least Brown has announced that, with the 60 Minutes TV tour of his ranch. Maybe Pelosi can bunk there and take the others with her.

Biden the Groper will test the mettle of those Dem supporters. Do they go all #MeToo on him, or have their fellow travelers in the media studiously ignore any hint of scandal or airbrush it away? If he does address the matters at hand, expect that to be buried under some other breaking news eve...

"Unfortunately, we learned afterwards that there was a very picturesque area that we completely missed. I forget the name of it. I’ll try to look it up.
Edit: well that was quick. It’s called Black Rock. I got it on citydata.com. a person asked for “Caucasian areas of Bridgeport” and was...

Well, "Uncle Joe" will have to dispose of "Grandma Hillary" and the youngsters, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome and Andrew Cuomo who all stand in his way. I am now 72 and while in decent shape, walk between two and three miles most days, I can't imagine having the stamina to perform the duties of PO...

Senator Diane Feinstein
Two Ns, as with Michele Bachmann.
She's been a senatrix (senatrice?) since 1992. The last male senators elected from the California Republic were Pete Wilson and Alan Cranston. Cranston died in the last century.
Californians missed S. I. Hayakawa, who passed away ...

And you haven't even gotten to the Biden groping / dropping the towel allegations OR his family's dealings in Ukraine.
The good news about any of these establishment pols is they wouldn't be where they are in the political orbit if they weren't totally compromised (an unmentioned fact that Tr...