BRADFORD MPs are calling for more talk on Gaza as the crisis claims its first minister to resign.

Yorkshire-born Foreign Office Minister Baroness Warsi gave up her post yesterday, branding the Government's policy on Gaza as "morally indefensible".

Lady Warsi, who was the first Muslim to sit in Cabinet, told Prime Minister David Cameron she could no longer support the Government's stance on the issue.

Her resignation and reasons for it were met with admiration from some MPs in Bradford although Shipley Conservative MP Philip Davies said he did not share her "analysis of the situation."

"I admire her for putting her beliefs ahead of her political ambitions and career but I don't share or agree with her analysis. My view is there's right and wrong on both sides of the Middle eastern conflict and just trying to say the fault is on one side is not right or helpful. It needs statesmen from both sides to look at it from each other's perspective."

Lady Warsi wrote in her resignation letter she believed the Government's policy in relation to the Middle East peace process was "not in Britain's national interest and will have a long-term detrimental impact on our reputation internationally and domestically."

There is reportedly growing unease among some Conservative MPs that the Government has failed to take a firmer line with Israel over its incursion into Gaza in the face of mounting Palestinian casualties.

Lady Warsi had signalled her own concern about what was happening in a series of comments on her Twitter feed in recent days.

In one she wrote: "Can people stop trying to justify the killing of children. Whatever our politics there can never be justification, surely only regret #Gaza."

Lib Dem Bradford East MP David Ward said: "I'm sorry she's gone but she's done the right thing in my view. Most people recognise the work she has done but I think it's common knowledge she's been quite unhappy for some time about a number of things, not just Gaza."

So far more than 73,000 people have signed Mr Ward's on-line petition urging the British Government to call for an immediate end to Israeli military operations.

He added: "I've got to compliment Nick Clegg for saying the only realistic way forward is to negotiate with Hamas. We've more than 70,000 now on my petition saying Israel needs to negotiate with Hamas. Unless pressure is put on Israel and they abide by United Nations resolutions then internationally we need to bring about boycott, divestment and sanctions."

Bradford West MP George Galloway has called for Parliament to be recalled immediately to urgently debate the Gaza crisis. He was unavailable for comment yesterday.

Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe and Keighley MP Kris Hopkins were also unavailable.

"So far more than 73,000 people have signed Mr Ward's on-line petition urging the British Government to call for an immediate end to Israeli military operations.

He added: "I've got to compliment Nick Clegg for saying the only realistic way forward is to negotiate with Hamas. We've more than 70,000 now on my petition saying Israel needs to negotiate with Hamas. Unless pressure is put on Israel and they abide by United Nations resolutions then internationally we need to bring about boycott, divestment and sanctions." Negotiating with someone who denies your right to exist, might not be so easy.

Any fix will only be temporary but hopefully there will be one.

She had a position to influence those whom she complained about, now she has no influence, not a clever move!
"Bradford West MP George Galloway has called for Parliament to be recalled immediately to urgently debate the Gaza crisis. He was unavailable for comment yesterday." How ironic.
"Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe and Keighley MP Kris Hopkins were also unavailable." Yes 'course they were.
"So far more than 73,000 people have signed Mr Ward's on-line petition urging the British Government to call for an immediate end to Israeli military operations.
He added: "I've got to compliment Nick Clegg for saying the only realistic way forward is to negotiate with Hamas. We've more than 70,000 now on my petition saying Israel needs to negotiate with Hamas. Unless pressure is put on Israel and they abide by United Nations resolutions then internationally we need to bring about boycott, divestment and sanctions." Negotiating with someone who denies your right to exist, might not be so easy.
Any fix will only be temporary but hopefully there will be one.Albion.

Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.Wanna Have

On Calendar news just said that Bradford is seen as a centre of support for Palestine. Only because our looney left leaders in Chuff Hall flew a flag 'without jurisdiction' off thr top of said Chuff Hall. For allowing that to happen Green & co need to go now! . Never mind £100k plus salaries and then insult Council tax payers by flying that flag!. Its not up to Carntcillors to force their persuasions upon the people of Bradford. They are there at our bidding. So what next is going to fly off Chuff Hall? Black flag of ISIS? Boka Haram flag? Nazi swashtika? Klu Klux Klan banner? Bradford Dulls flag? I kid you not.Lets send this lot bunkered in Chuff Hall packing next time !

On Calendar news just said that Bradford is seen as a centre of support for Palestine. Only because our looney left leaders in Chuff Hall flew a flag 'without jurisdiction' off thr top of said Chuff Hall. For allowing that to happen Green & co need to go now! . Never mind £100k plus salaries and then insult Council tax payers by flying that flag!. Its not up to Carntcillors to force their persuasions upon the people of Bradford. They are there at our bidding. So what next is going to fly off Chuff Hall? Black flag of ISIS? Boka Haram flag? Nazi swashtika? Klu Klux Klan banner? Bradford Dulls flag? I kid you not.Lets send this lot bunkered in Chuff Hall packing next time !theoutsider

Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.

Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.OLDLAD

Baroness Warsi has chosen to put her Islamic beliefs ahead of her duty to party and country. This is unacceptable, and shows the basic problem of employing Muslims in public life, their loyalty to this country cannot be guaranteed.

Also her belief that Hamas is all good (because they are Muslim) and Israel is all bad (because they are not Muslim) is naive in the extreme. Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas is acting unlawfully and cynically when it uses ordinary Palestinian citizens as human shields. This is something Israel would never do.

Baroness Warsi has chosen to put her Islamic beliefs ahead of her duty to party and country. This is unacceptable, and shows the basic problem of employing Muslims in public life, their loyalty to this country cannot be guaranteed.
Also her belief that Hamas is all good (because they are Muslim) and Israel is all bad (because they are not Muslim) is naive in the extreme. Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas is acting unlawfully and cynically when it uses ordinary Palestinian citizens as human shields. This is something Israel would never do.bachtothefuture

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitlerlazybeat

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

I think they are much worse.

[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]I think they are much worse.llos25

bachtothefuture wrote:
Baroness Warsi has chosen to put her Islamic beliefs ahead of her duty to party and country. This is unacceptable, and shows the basic problem of employing Muslims in public life, their loyalty to this country cannot be guaranteed.

Also her belief that Hamas is all good (because they are Muslim) and Israel is all bad (because they are not Muslim) is naive in the extreme. Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas is acting unlawfully and cynically when it uses ordinary Palestinian citizens as human shields. This is something Israel would never do.

I agree entirely. Baroness Warsi has clearly decided to ignore the concept of cabinet responsibility. This is selfish and irresponsible and the fact that she did it because of her Islamic beliefs certainly raises the issue of where a Muslim's loyalties will lie when the chips are down. Religion or Country?

If it lies with religion, how much responsibility and authority is it safe to give them? For instance would a Muslim Minister of Defence sanction military operations against the Taliban?

[quote][p][bold]bachtothefuture[/bold] wrote:
Baroness Warsi has chosen to put her Islamic beliefs ahead of her duty to party and country. This is unacceptable, and shows the basic problem of employing Muslims in public life, their loyalty to this country cannot be guaranteed.
Also her belief that Hamas is all good (because they are Muslim) and Israel is all bad (because they are not Muslim) is naive in the extreme. Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamas is acting unlawfully and cynically when it uses ordinary Palestinian citizens as human shields. This is something Israel would never do.[/p][/quote]I agree entirely. Baroness Warsi has clearly decided to ignore the concept of cabinet responsibility. This is selfish and irresponsible and the fact that she did it because of her Islamic beliefs certainly raises the issue of where a Muslim's loyalties will lie when the chips are down. Religion or Country?
If it lies with religion, how much responsibility and authority is it safe to give them? For instance would a Muslim Minister of Defence sanction military operations against the Taliban?bluebluerobin

Baroness Warsi is clearly a woman of principle and unlike David Cameron and others, clearly knows right from wrong.

Indeed, the conflict will be unending unless we start to look at the constant war in new ways of solving it and not just political solutions with no long-term basis for peace and development for the people of the Middle East. Indeed these political failures have continued infinitum as history has shown through the continual death toll of the long-term so-called political solutions ever since Israel became a sovereign state in 1948.

Promoting Peace and Innovation through sustainable development (IX) - A solution to the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Newropeans Magazine - 2007)

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Baroness Warsi is clearly a woman of principle and unlike David Cameron and others, clearly knows right from wrong.
Indeed, the conflict will be unending unless we start to look at the constant war in new ways of solving it and not just political solutions with no long-term basis for peace and development for the people of the Middle East. Indeed these political failures have continued infinitum as history has shown through the continual death toll of the long-term so-called political solutions ever since Israel became a sovereign state in 1948.
Promoting Peace and Innovation through sustainable development (IX) - A solution to the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Newropeans Magazine - 2007)
http://www.newropean
s-magazine.org/conte
nt/view/5381/42/lang
,nl/bettysenior

This is just attention seeking political grandstanding and a way of getting back at David Cameron who demoted her because of her obvious incompetence. If Baroness Warsi was a true believer in Islam she would wear at least a headscarf and preferably a Burka.

This is just attention seeking political grandstanding and a way of getting back at David Cameron who demoted her because of her obvious incompetence. If Baroness Warsi was a true believer in Islam she would wear at least a headscarf and preferably a Burka.baildongreen

Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.

This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.

In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.

Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.
This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.
In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.bluebluerobin

bluebluerobin wrote:
Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.

This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.

In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.

She's not an MP. So she has never been elected anyway.

[quote][p][bold]bluebluerobin[/bold] wrote:
Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.
This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.
In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.[/p][/quote]She's not an MP. So she has never been elected anyway.Thee Voice of Reason

Well put it this way if there was any benefit ie oil etc....the govt...would go running and would make it their business to be in garza...and would talk about the human rights then.....obviously in this case it's more beneficial for the govt to sit on the otherside...and ignore any atrocities that are taking place!!

Its a greedy senseless world out there!!

Well put it this way if there was any benefit ie oil etc....the govt...would go running and would make it their business to be in garza...and would talk about the human rights then.....obviously in this case it's more beneficial for the govt to sit on the otherside...and ignore any atrocities that are taking place!!
Its a greedy senseless world out there!!norat

norat wrote:
Well put it this way if there was any benefit ie oil etc....the govt...would go running and would make it their business to be in garza...and would talk about the human rights then.....obviously in this case it's more beneficial for the govt to sit on the otherside...and ignore any atrocities that are taking place!!

Its a greedy senseless world out there!!

Why are they sitting by and watching Syria and Iraq be taken over by ISIS whilst there are vast reserves of there?

[quote][p][bold]norat[/bold] wrote:
Well put it this way if there was any benefit ie oil etc....the govt...would go running and would make it their business to be in garza...and would talk about the human rights then.....obviously in this case it's more beneficial for the govt to sit on the otherside...and ignore any atrocities that are taking place!!
Its a greedy senseless world out there!![/p][/quote]Why are they sitting by and watching Syria and Iraq be taken over by ISIS whilst there are vast reserves of there?Thee Voice of Reason

izzystillbreathing wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.

Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!!

[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.[/p][/quote]Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!!norat

izzystillbreathing wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.

Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!!

Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.

[quote][p][bold]norat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.[/p][/quote]Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!![/p][/quote]Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.izzystillbreathing

Standing up to vile Israeli terror is a very brave thing to do (especially if you're a politician).

Let's hope the murderous Zionist scum are dragged to the Hague to stand trial for their heinous war crimes.

Well done to Baroness Warsi.
Standing up to vile Israeli terror is a very brave thing to do (especially if you're a politician).
Let's hope the murderous Zionist scum are dragged to the Hague to stand trial for their heinous war crimes.Robin of Loxley

izzystillbreathing wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.

Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!!

Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.

You live a very sheltered life!! That's all I can say...open your eyes and look at the world out there...there is no point in trying to convince you one way or another...you have made your mind up by watching and reading biased media.....!!

[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]norat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.[/p][/quote]Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!![/p][/quote]Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.[/p][/quote]You live a very sheltered life!! That's all I can say...open your eyes and look at the world out there...there is no point in trying to convince you one way or another...you have made your mind up by watching and reading biased media.....!!norat

Our Hamas lovin' MPs, Wardy and Gallybags, support Warsi. What a surprise. She's Islamic first. And probably second and third.

Lucky she won't be missed and was only ever a token ethic woman.

And the usual gibbering, hysterical, anti Semitic babbling from the faithful.
Hi there Robin - aka Johnny the M. (Do invest in a Thesaurus sunshine.)

Long live Israel and their right to self defence against terrorists. Look forward to seeing an Israeli flag flying from City Hall. Naturally it will be bigger, made of better quality materials and will easily resist all efforts to destroy it.

PS: Note - over and over we read the "Zionist scum" insult. Posted by the usual suspects, who have been stuck in this groove for years (see above Thesaurus mention). Is it ok to call the other side "Islamist scum?" Err...

PPS: the great thing about these posts - and all the others on similar subjects - is how divided little ole Barfdord is. And getting worse.

Our Hamas lovin' MPs, Wardy and Gallybags, support Warsi. What a surprise. She's Islamic first. And probably second and third.
Lucky she won't be missed and was only ever a token ethic woman.
And the usual gibbering, hysterical, anti Semitic babbling from the faithful.
Hi there Robin - aka Johnny the M. (Do invest in a Thesaurus sunshine.)
Long live Israel and their right to self defence against terrorists. Look forward to seeing an Israeli flag flying from City Hall. Naturally it will be bigger, made of better quality materials and will easily resist all efforts to destroy it.
PS: Note - over and over we read the "Zionist scum" insult. Posted by the usual suspects, who have been stuck in this groove for years (see above Thesaurus mention). Is it ok to call the other side "Islamist scum?" Err...
PPS: the great thing about these posts - and all the others on similar subjects - is how divided little ole Barfdord is. And getting worse.idf fanclub

You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who "won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.

And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.

Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.

Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?

You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who "won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.
And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.
Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.
Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?idf fanclub

idf fanclub wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who &quot;won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.

And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.

Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.

Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?

Yes; look in the nearest public toilet.

[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who "won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.
And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.
Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.
Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?[/p][/quote]Yes; look in the nearest public toilet.Robin of Loxley

idf fanclub wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who &quot;won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.

And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.

Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.

Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?

Aren't Apple run on Israeli parts. Strange many at these boycott demos seem to own said phone.

[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who "won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.
And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.
Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.
Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?[/p][/quote]Aren't Apple run on Israeli parts. Strange many at these boycott demos seem to own said phone.Thee Voice of Reason

Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.

Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.

Until the next time in the never ending conflict.

Hi there Robin aka Johnny the Mu.
Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.
Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.
Until the next time in the never ending conflict.idf fanclub

Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.

Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.

Until the next time in the never ending conflict.

lol, Israel winning?? If you mean killing........sorry slaughtering nearly 2000 women and children, then yes they have. It's sad to see people like you condoning such actions, thankfully most "people" can clearly see who the aggressor is, expect the ignorant and retarded.

[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
Hi there Robin aka Johnny the Mu.
Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.
Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.
Until the next time in the never ending conflict.[/p][/quote]lol, Israel winning?? If you mean killing........sorry slaughtering nearly 2000 women and children, then yes they have. It's sad to see people like you condoning such actions, thankfully most "people" can clearly see who the aggressor is, expect the ignorant and retarded.say_it_as_it_is

Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.

Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.

Until the next time in the never ending conflict.

How can another human being wish for others to be killed...you are ignorant....and you think only the intelligent and adaptable prosper....think again only bullies and ones who cannot think use violence towards others...those who are intelligent and adaptable have brains...obviously in this case Israel doesn't and that includes YOU!

[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
Hi there Robin aka Johnny the Mu.
Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.
Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.
Until the next time in the never ending conflict.[/p][/quote]How can another human being wish for others to be killed...you are ignorant....and you think only the intelligent and adaptable prosper....think again only bullies and ones who cannot think use violence towards others...those who are intelligent and adaptable have brains...obviously in this case Israel doesn't and that includes YOU!norat

Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.

Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.

Until the next time in the never ending conflict.

lol, Israel winning?? If you mean killing........sorry slaughtering nearly 2000 women and children, then yes they have. It's sad to see people like you condoning such actions, thankfully most &quot;people" can clearly see who the aggressor is, expect the ignorant and retarded.

Expect the ignorant and retarded, ...to what? Support Hamas? Clearly. And Isis? Probably. Will Barsi be dropping the peerage....or don't her principles extend that far? Typical hypocritical Muslim.

[quote][p][bold]say_it_as_it_is[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
Hi there Robin aka Johnny the Mu.
Nearest public toilet is Barfdord city centre. One great big disgusting one. Full of terrorist loser supporters like you.
Nice to see Israel winning again. Must really drive you Hamas supporters wild. But you must be used to it by now. It's called survival of the fittest. The most intelligent and adaptable species (and cultures) survive and prosper.
Until the next time in the never ending conflict.[/p][/quote]lol, Israel winning?? If you mean killing........sorry slaughtering nearly 2000 women and children, then yes they have. It's sad to see people like you condoning such actions, thankfully most "people" can clearly see who the aggressor is, expect the ignorant and retarded.[/p][/quote]Expect the ignorant and retarded, ...to what? Support Hamas? Clearly. And Isis? Probably. Will Barsi be dropping the peerage....or don't her principles extend that far? Typical hypocritical Muslim.Oldwestbowling

Warsi decision is no surprise - and it is probably right - although she now has no influence on the situation at all. She feels it sincerely as she is Islamic. It is not our business other than we should deny offending export licenses. Israel is already in default of UN edicts and are unlikely to accept any suggestion that they do not approve - they are a democracy surrounded by hostile neighbours who believe they should not exist, and appear to have made neglible progress since since Israel was formed in 1948. Hamas has to change too - panic reigns and this is not visible with Israelis.

Warsi decision is no surprise - and it is probably right - although she now has no influence on the situation at all. She feels it sincerely as she is Islamic. It is not our business other than we should deny offending export licenses. Israel is already in default of UN edicts and are unlikely to accept any suggestion that they do not approve - they are a democracy surrounded by hostile neighbours who believe they should not exist, and appear to have made neglible progress since since Israel was formed in 1948. Hamas has to change too - panic reigns and this is not visible with Israelis.BertSanders

izzystillbreathing wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.

Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!!

Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.

Maybe you should stick your head out of your backsides and see why that papers only talk about muslims, when any other religion or skin colour do something wrong there not labeled by there religion and skin colour, just to let you know alot of the jihads are white, there so called converted muslims. Dont think am sticking up for them the guys that blow themselfs up for religion are nut jobs and need to be sectioned' under the mental health act'.

[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]norat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]izzystillbreathing[/bold] wrote:
Never mind all this talk of principles and religion, just read the other story about the Kings Academy for the real reason why Muslims can't be trusted in public life.[/p][/quote]Well do you think only Muslims cannot be trusted....have you recently read the news....all there is about Caucasians committing sexual acts with vulnerable females and even animals...do you think you can trust them??
DONT MAKE SWEEPING COMMENTS ABOUT WHOLE COMMUNITIES....THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD IN ALL....!!!![/p][/quote]Doubtless, but white boys don't go on Jihad or volunteer to be suicide bombers. With the exception of ebola and the Ukraine all the bad news in my paper seems to involve muslims.[/p][/quote]Maybe you should stick your head out of your backsides and see why that papers only talk about muslims, when any other religion or skin colour do something wrong there not labeled by there religion and skin colour, just to let you know alot of the jihads are white, there so called converted muslims. Dont think am sticking up for them the guys that blow themselfs up for religion are nut jobs and need to be sectioned' under the mental health act'.bradford88

Some of the comments above are unacceptable. Yes, you can disagree with this woman's decision but to say Muslims should be banned from public office in their own country is racist. Eg In Nazi Germany in the 1930s Hitler banned Jews from taking public office.

I am not a Muslim but I do not want to see anyone banned from taking public office because of their beliefs, provided they are within the law.

Ms Varsi has taken a humanitarian stand and deserves credit for that, not abuse. To say she did it because the casualties were Muslim is a mean- spirited and nasty accusation for which the accuser has no evidence, just prejudice.

The Palestinians have lost about 1800 dead, mainly children. The Israelis approx. 60.

Imagine four or five large school playgrounds in Bradford filled with children. Then, imagine them all lying dead. Yes, that's what it amounts to. The 60 Israeli dead is also a cause for sadness but the the death tole is not equal and in this present calamity the two sides can not be condemned equally. Israel has an airforce with up to date killing power, The Palestinians do not. It is like Mohammed Ali taking on Amir khan!

Our govt. do not do what most decent, honest, intelligent individuals do when assessing a problem or calamity involving Israel. They automatically, criticise the Palestinians with just a 'slap on the wrist' for Israel.

This is unfair and of course the USA is even worse. Honest brokers are neeed to deal with this situation but where are they to come from.?

What is to be done? First, a prolonged ceasefire is needed to take the heat out of the situation. Then talks must be restarted, with the honest- brokers attempting to do just as their name implies.

First, Palestinians could promise no more rocket attacks if Israel stops their blitz of Gaza. Then Israel needs to agree to stop the building of more and more new settlements on Palestinian land if Palestine agrees to a two state solution.

It sounds easy- of course it's not. It's worse than N. Ireland but, it isn't insolvable, but it needs honesty, decency, fairness, empathy from both sides and determination to stop the killing, and provide an equal bright future for both sides.

Some of the comments above are unacceptable. Yes, you can disagree with this woman's decision but to say Muslims should be banned from public office in their own country is racist. Eg In Nazi Germany in the 1930s Hitler banned Jews from taking public office.
I am not a Muslim but I do not want to see anyone banned from taking public office because of their beliefs, provided they are within the law.
Ms Varsi has taken a humanitarian stand and deserves credit for that, not abuse. To say she did it because the casualties were Muslim is a mean- spirited and nasty accusation for which the accuser has no evidence, just prejudice.
The Palestinians have lost about 1800 dead, mainly children. The Israelis approx. 60.
Imagine four or five large school playgrounds in Bradford filled with children. Then, imagine them all lying dead. Yes, that's what it amounts to. The 60 Israeli dead is also a cause for sadness but the the death tole is not equal and in this present calamity the two sides can not be condemned equally. Israel has an airforce with up to date killing power, The Palestinians do not. It is like Mohammed Ali taking on Amir khan!
Our govt. do not do what most decent, honest, intelligent individuals do when assessing a problem or calamity involving Israel. They automatically, criticise the Palestinians with just a 'slap on the wrist' for Israel.
This is unfair and of course the USA is even worse. Honest brokers are neeed to deal with this situation but where are they to come from.?
What is to be done? First, a prolonged ceasefire is needed to take the heat out of the situation. Then talks must be restarted, with the honest- brokers attempting to do just as their name implies.
First, Palestinians could promise no more rocket attacks if Israel stops their blitz of Gaza. Then Israel needs to agree to stop the building of more and more new settlements on Palestinian land if Palestine agrees to a two state solution.
It sounds easy- of course it's not. It's worse than N. Ireland but, it isn't insolvable, but it needs honesty, decency, fairness, empathy from both sides and determination to stop the killing, and provide an equal bright future for both sides.Cityman23

I heard Warsi is packing her bags, leaving the conservatives behind and joining ISIS, a proper terror organisation. Thats where she belongs, as we know from her it is onls Jews and Christians who create wars, not the peace loving caliphate creating ISIS. Has she said anything about ISIS??????? Could it be that she is a covert supporter of their type? Hhhhhm, be popular in Dewsbury.

I heard Warsi is packing her bags, leaving the conservatives behind and joining ISIS, a proper terror organisation. Thats where she belongs, as we know from her it is onls Jews and Christians who create wars, not the peace loving caliphate creating ISIS. Has she said anything about ISIS??????? Could it be that she is a covert supporter of their type? Hhhhhm, be popular in Dewsbury.LeftLongAgo

LeftLongAgo wrote:
I heard Warsi is packing her bags, leaving the conservatives behind and joining ISIS, a proper terror organisation. Thats where she belongs, as we know from her it is onls Jews and Christians who create wars, not the peace loving caliphate creating ISIS. Has she said anything about ISIS??????? Could it be that she is a covert supporter of their type? Hhhhhm, be popular in Dewsbury.

Why would she say anything about ISIS? As I've said many times on these pages ISIS murder the wrong type of innocent Muslims (Shia) so it's no big deal. There is absolutely no call from the UK Muslim community for the UK government to do anything about it either. Strange

[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote:
I heard Warsi is packing her bags, leaving the conservatives behind and joining ISIS, a proper terror organisation. Thats where she belongs, as we know from her it is onls Jews and Christians who create wars, not the peace loving caliphate creating ISIS. Has she said anything about ISIS??????? Could it be that she is a covert supporter of their type? Hhhhhm, be popular in Dewsbury.[/p][/quote]Why would she say anything about ISIS? As I've said many times on these pages ISIS murder the wrong type of innocent Muslims (Shia) so it's no big deal. There is absolutely no call from the UK Muslim community for the UK government to do anything about it either. StrangeFarsley Bantam

Err.. nowhere. Try actually understanding what I say. If you want to see ignorance, look in the mirror. Goes with the job of supporting Islamism.

To all the faithful Hamas supporters out there.
Just where do I condone the killing of innocents?
Err.. nowhere. Try actually understanding what I say. If you want to see ignorance, look in the mirror. Goes with the job of supporting Islamism.idf fanclub

bluebluerobin wrote:
Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.

This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.

In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.

Correct

[quote][p][bold]bluebluerobin[/bold] wrote:
Whatever Ms. Warsi's personal feeling on the Gaza conflict she had no right to let them interfere with her loyalty to the party which should have been her primary concern.
This is just an exercise in mischief making as shown by the number of interviews she has chosen to give to left-leaning journalists. She is giving succour to the socialists and undermining the prime Minister.
In my view she should resign the party and step down as an MP. David Cameron should think twice before promoting any more Muslims. They are nothing but trouble makers on both the domestic and international stages.[/p][/quote]Correctflogem

Cityman23 wrote:
Some of the comments above are unacceptable. Yes, you can disagree with this woman's decision but to say Muslims should be banned from public office in their own country is racist. Eg In Nazi Germany in the 1930s Hitler banned Jews from taking public office.

I am not a Muslim but I do not want to see anyone banned from taking public office because of their beliefs, provided they are within the law.

Ms Varsi has taken a humanitarian stand and deserves credit for that, not abuse. To say she did it because the casualties were Muslim is a mean- spirited and nasty accusation for which the accuser has no evidence, just prejudice.

The Palestinians have lost about 1800 dead, mainly children. The Israelis approx. 60.

Imagine four or five large school playgrounds in Bradford filled with children. Then, imagine them all lying dead. Yes, that's what it amounts to. The 60 Israeli dead is also a cause for sadness but the the death tole is not equal and in this present calamity the two sides can not be condemned equally. Israel has an airforce with up to date killing power, The Palestinians do not. It is like Mohammed Ali taking on Amir khan!

Our govt. do not do what most decent, honest, intelligent individuals do when assessing a problem or calamity involving Israel. They automatically, criticise the Palestinians with just a 'slap on the wrist' for Israel.

This is unfair and of course the USA is even worse. Honest brokers are neeed to deal with this situation but where are they to come from.?

What is to be done? First, a prolonged ceasefire is needed to take the heat out of the situation. Then talks must be restarted, with the honest- brokers attempting to do just as their name implies.

First, Palestinians could promise no more rocket attacks if Israel stops their blitz of Gaza. Then Israel needs to agree to stop the building of more and more new settlements on Palestinian land if Palestine agrees to a two state solution.

It sounds easy- of course it's not. It's worse than N. Ireland but, it isn't insolvable, but it needs honesty, decency, fairness, empathy from both sides and determination to stop the killing, and provide an equal bright future for both sides.

Can you imagine rockets being fired from the BRI or St. Luke's hospital well that's the kind of thing Hamas do.
COWARDS.

[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
Some of the comments above are unacceptable. Yes, you can disagree with this woman's decision but to say Muslims should be banned from public office in their own country is racist. Eg In Nazi Germany in the 1930s Hitler banned Jews from taking public office.
I am not a Muslim but I do not want to see anyone banned from taking public office because of their beliefs, provided they are within the law.
Ms Varsi has taken a humanitarian stand and deserves credit for that, not abuse. To say she did it because the casualties were Muslim is a mean- spirited and nasty accusation for which the accuser has no evidence, just prejudice.
The Palestinians have lost about 1800 dead, mainly children. The Israelis approx. 60.
Imagine four or five large school playgrounds in Bradford filled with children. Then, imagine them all lying dead. Yes, that's what it amounts to. The 60 Israeli dead is also a cause for sadness but the the death tole is not equal and in this present calamity the two sides can not be condemned equally. Israel has an airforce with up to date killing power, The Palestinians do not. It is like Mohammed Ali taking on Amir khan!
Our govt. do not do what most decent, honest, intelligent individuals do when assessing a problem or calamity involving Israel. They automatically, criticise the Palestinians with just a 'slap on the wrist' for Israel.
This is unfair and of course the USA is even worse. Honest brokers are neeed to deal with this situation but where are they to come from.?
What is to be done? First, a prolonged ceasefire is needed to take the heat out of the situation. Then talks must be restarted, with the honest- brokers attempting to do just as their name implies.
First, Palestinians could promise no more rocket attacks if Israel stops their blitz of Gaza. Then Israel needs to agree to stop the building of more and more new settlements on Palestinian land if Palestine agrees to a two state solution.
It sounds easy- of course it's not. It's worse than N. Ireland but, it isn't insolvable, but it needs honesty, decency, fairness, empathy from both sides and determination to stop the killing, and provide an equal bright future for both sides.[/p][/quote]Can you imagine rockets being fired from the BRI or St. Luke's hospital well that's the kind of thing Hamas do.
COWARDS.flogem

idf fanclub wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who &quot;won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.

And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.

Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.

Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?

Yes; look in the nearest public toilet.

can see you have been busy clearing your browsing history and thumbs upping your biased views again.

Mind you this type of "vote" rigging is common practice amongst muslims in their daily lives isn't it?

[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]idf fanclub[/bold] wrote:
You have to laugh at the moron Barfdord retailers who "won't sell any Israeli products." Like they ever did.
And as for the witless dumbos who try to stop people shopping at (presumably) Jewish owned organisations and stores. Dream on losers.
Now me - when on sale, if possible I only ever buy Israeli goods.
Anyone know where I can buy some Israeli flags around here?[/p][/quote]Yes; look in the nearest public toilet.[/p][/quote]can see you have been busy clearing your browsing history and thumbs upping your biased views again.
Mind you this type of "vote" rigging is common practice amongst muslims in their daily lives isn't it?BCFC1911

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

I think they are much worse.

I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as "much worse" than the Nazi regime

oh dear god

[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]I think they are much worse.[/p][/quote]I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as "much worse" than the Nazi regime
oh dear godBCFC1911

It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.Cityman23

Cityman23 wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

Until the evil that remains which is Hamas is removed from that area there can be no peace

[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.[/p][/quote]Until the evil that remains which is Hamas is removed from that area there can be no peaceBCFC1911

Cityman23 wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

Until the evil that remains which is Hamas is removed from that area there can be no peace

And do you think 'your approach' would solve the troubles in The Middle East?

Are the Israelis completely right in all they do? Are they right to go on building on Palestinian land? Is the Israeli airforce right in killing hundreds of children?

The Israelis have state of the art military hardware and nuclear weapons, and the disproportionate percentage of casualties on each side shows which one has the greater power and which is suffering most.

Israel needs to be acknowledged as having a right to exist, but so too does Palestine and until that happens and other countries with honest, intelligent and empathetic leaders help that to happen there will, to quote your words "be no peace."

However, I suspect, looking at some of the comments on here others, perhaps you too, have another agenda that has more to do with Muslims living in Bradford than on the Gaza Strip!

[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.[/p][/quote]Until the evil that remains which is Hamas is removed from that area there can be no peace[/p][/quote]And do you think 'your approach' would solve the troubles in The Middle East?
Are the Israelis completely right in all they do? Are they right to go on building on Palestinian land? Is the Israeli airforce right in killing hundreds of children?
The Israelis have state of the art military hardware and nuclear weapons, and the disproportionate percentage of casualties on each side shows which one has the greater power and which is suffering most.
Israel needs to be acknowledged as having a right to exist, but so too does Palestine and until that happens and other countries with honest, intelligent and empathetic leaders help that to happen there will, to quote your words "be no peace."
However, I suspect, looking at some of the comments on here others, perhaps you too, have another agenda that has more to do with Muslims living in Bradford than on the Gaza Strip!Cityman23

Cityman23 wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.

[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.[/p][/quote]There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.Farsley Bantam

Boris is looking for a seat in 2015! who ever the Conservative candidate is resign now and hand your seat to Boris he would be brilliant in Bradford and would sort this dump out once and for all. Vote Boris for Bradford 2015 !!!!!!!

Boris is looking for a seat in 2015! who ever the Conservative candidate is resign now and hand your seat to Boris he would be brilliant in Bradford and would sort this dump out once and for all. Vote Boris for Bradford 2015 !!!!!!!theoutsider

I also think that history teaches that one country's terrorists are another's freedom fighters.

In WW2 we praised the work of underground resistance groups operating in France, Belgium, and Poland. They were called terrorists by the occupying Wehrmacht and shot when captured.
There were plans laid down by Churchill for such public rest instance if Germany had invaded England in 1940. these groups would have blown up trains, main places of occupation and killed as many Germans as possible and been hailed as heroes by the indigenous population. And in 1948 there were Jewish groups called the Irgun and the Stern gangs blowing things up and killing people, incl. British people who were there at the time eg King David hotel.
The Palestinians see their position in that way.

That's not to condone killing but empathy and understanding for the situation of both sides- the Jews who were treated horribly during WW2 and the Palestinians too who have lost a large part of their land is needed before any chance of solving the middle east's problems can be grasped.

I also think that history teaches that one country's terrorists are another's freedom fighters.
In WW2 we praised the work of underground resistance groups operating in France, Belgium, and Poland. They were called terrorists by the occupying Wehrmacht and shot when captured.
There were plans laid down by Churchill for such public rest instance if Germany had invaded England in 1940. these groups would have blown up trains, main places of occupation and killed as many Germans as possible and been hailed as heroes by the indigenous population. And in 1948 there were Jewish groups called the Irgun and the Stern gangs blowing things up and killing people, incl. British people who were there at the time eg King David hotel.
The Palestinians see their position in that way.
That's not to condone killing but empathy and understanding for the situation of both sides- the Jews who were treated horribly during WW2 and the Palestinians too who have lost a large part of their land is needed before any chance of solving the middle east's problems can be grasped.Cityman23

Cityman23 wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.

If yours is an attempt to explain some of the "extreme" comments on here, I am afraid I don't agree.

If they don't like the flag being flown, criticise that by all means, but that reason does not exonerate those people for their views.

In any case, I feel that the 'flag' has been blown out of all proportion. ( pun intended!) The gesture is intended to show solidarity with people who have suffered terribly. Eg as in other parts of the world- Nelson Mandela etc It ISNT the Hamas flag, it's the flag of the Palestinian people. Many groups support Palestinians in their difficulties- there are groups in mainstream political parties and many people wear that flag as a badge.

Many Jewish people you might be surprised to learn support justice for Palestine groups because apart from sympathising with them in a humanitarian sense they know there will be no long term peace for Israel until it has settled with the Palestinians. ie like Britain did with the IRA, loyalist groups in N Ireland. However, Zionists want to get rid of all Palestinians by any means necessary, as do extreme Arabs, Israel.

Bombing the Palestinians will not solve any probs for Israel because there will always be more to take their place. After Bloody Sunday, the IRA's numbers grew enormously.

Only a negotiated peace settlement, fair to both sides can ultimately lead to a chance of extended peace, which is what most decent, fair minded people want to see.

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.[/p][/quote]There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.[/p][/quote]If yours is an attempt to explain some of the "extreme" comments on here, I am afraid I don't agree.
If they don't like the flag being flown, criticise that by all means, but that reason does not exonerate those people for their views.
In any case, I feel that the 'flag' has been blown out of all proportion. ( pun intended!) The gesture is intended to show solidarity with people who have suffered terribly. Eg as in other parts of the world- Nelson Mandela etc It ISNT the Hamas flag, it's the flag of the Palestinian people. Many groups support Palestinians in their difficulties- there are groups in mainstream political parties and many people wear that flag as a badge.
Many Jewish people you might be surprised to learn support justice for Palestine groups because apart from sympathising with them in a humanitarian sense they know there will be no long term peace for Israel until it has settled with the Palestinians. ie like Britain did with the IRA, loyalist groups in N Ireland. However, Zionists want to get rid of all Palestinians by any means necessary, as do extreme Arabs, Israel.
Bombing the Palestinians will not solve any probs for Israel because there will always be more to take their place. After Bloody Sunday, the IRA's numbers grew enormously.
Only a negotiated peace settlement, fair to both sides can ultimately lead to a chance of extended peace, which is what most decent, fair minded people want to see.Cityman23

Cityman23 wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.

Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.

Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.

It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.

There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.

If yours is an attempt to explain some of the "extreme" comments on here, I am afraid I don't agree.

If they don't like the flag being flown, criticise that by all means, but that reason does not exonerate those people for their views.

In any case, I feel that the 'flag' has been blown out of all proportion. ( pun intended!) The gesture is intended to show solidarity with people who have suffered terribly. Eg as in other parts of the world- Nelson Mandela etc It ISNT the Hamas flag, it's the flag of the Palestinian people. Many groups support Palestinians in their difficulties- there are groups in mainstream political parties and many people wear that flag as a badge.

Many Jewish people you might be surprised to learn support justice for Palestine groups because apart from sympathising with them in a humanitarian sense they know there will be no long term peace for Israel until it has settled with the Palestinians. ie like Britain did with the IRA, loyalist groups in N Ireland. However, Zionists want to get rid of all Palestinians by any means necessary, as do extreme Arabs, Israel.

Bombing the Palestinians will not solve any probs for Israel because there will always be more to take their place. After Bloody Sunday, the IRA's numbers grew enormously.

Only a negotiated peace settlement, fair to both sides can ultimately lead to a chance of extended peace, which is what most decent, fair minded people want to see.

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
It's only on an anonymous site like this that people can stoop to the depths to come out with the most outrageous bile and poisonous comments. Nobody on here who has written these things would wish to have their name and face associated with such stuff in public view.
Yet, perhaps we need to see and read it all in all its horribleness to realise the prejudice, racism and pure bloody hatred that underpins even in a minority (I hope so) fashion what some think of as a tolerant society here in Bradford.
Those in positions of power need to read it too, because there's clearly a long long way to go in terms of educating people against some of the evils that still persist in certain minds but which come to the surface, at times like this.
It's all very sad, and clearly 21st century or not, the dark side of human nature lives on and even gets the thumbs up from others, who again would prefer to remain anonymous.[/p][/quote]There are some fairly extreme comments on here, i grant you.
The whole conflict in Gaza is an extremely divisive subject and the views we hear are either that Israel are, to quote someone on here, worse than the Nazi's and Hamas are defending themselves from evil Israel. Or we hear that Hamas continue to break ceasefires and fire indescriminately at civillian targets with the sole aim of killing women and children.
Clearly it is not a black and white issue so when our great council decide to pick a side and wave a flag above City Hall people are understandably pi$$ed off.[/p][/quote]If yours is an attempt to explain some of the "extreme" comments on here, I am afraid I don't agree.
If they don't like the flag being flown, criticise that by all means, but that reason does not exonerate those people for their views.
In any case, I feel that the 'flag' has been blown out of all proportion. ( pun intended!) The gesture is intended to show solidarity with people who have suffered terribly. Eg as in other parts of the world- Nelson Mandela etc It ISNT the Hamas flag, it's the flag of the Palestinian people. Many groups support Palestinians in their difficulties- there are groups in mainstream political parties and many people wear that flag as a badge.
Many Jewish people you might be surprised to learn support justice for Palestine groups because apart from sympathising with them in a humanitarian sense they know there will be no long term peace for Israel until it has settled with the Palestinians. ie like Britain did with the IRA, loyalist groups in N Ireland. However, Zionists want to get rid of all Palestinians by any means necessary, as do extreme Arabs, Israel.
Bombing the Palestinians will not solve any probs for Israel because there will always be more to take their place. After Bloody Sunday, the IRA's numbers grew enormously.
Only a negotiated peace settlement, fair to both sides can ultimately lead to a chance of extended peace, which is what most decent, fair minded people want to see.Cityman23

OLDLAD wrote:
Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.

Israel is a product of western hypocrisy at its finest. Most of the comments on here are full of ignorance and narrow mindedness. Countries in the west claim to be champions of human rights but yet don’t do anything to stop Israel’s human rights abuses.

For those of you who are claiming Hamas are killing children and civilians may be you should read a bit more. There have been 60 Israeli casualties all but 2 were soldiers, there has been 1600 Palestinian casualties 900 of which were children. They are the facts according to the BBC. For those of you claiming that Hamas fir rockets form schools and hospitals should know that 3 UN schools have been bombed, do you really think that the UN was letting their schools be used as rocket launching sites, get real! Get your facts right before you start piping up please!

For those of you who are claiming that Muslim outrage is selective because there have been no protests against ISIS are showing how ill informed you are. The government has been more than eloquent in denouncing ISIS and have already pledged their support for Nouri al-Malaki. There puppet master in the US has already sent 300 Special Forces and are contemplating air strikes. So there no need for protests because there already something being done. The pro-Palestine protests are because of government inaction and the fact the government loses its tongue and b**l’s when it comes to Israel.

For those who don’t want Brit involvement in this issue, I am sorry to tell you that its way to late. If you read the above article you would know that Britain provides weapons plus other support for Israel. For those of you who have followed the conflict for longer than the past month would also know that Israel exists because of a British mandate of Palatine. What right did Britain have to give Palestine to Zionists?

The holocaust guilt on here is ridiculous. On this issue, well done Baroness Warsi for proving that you have principles and a sole that is not for sale!

[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote:
Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.[/p][/quote]Israel is a product of western hypocrisy at its finest. Most of the comments on here are full of ignorance and narrow mindedness. Countries in the west claim to be champions of human rights but yet don’t do anything to stop Israel’s human rights abuses.
For those of you who are claiming Hamas are killing children and civilians may be you should read a bit more. There have been 60 Israeli casualties all but 2 were soldiers, there has been 1600 Palestinian casualties 900 of which were children. They are the facts according to the BBC. For those of you claiming that Hamas fir rockets form schools and hospitals should know that 3 UN schools have been bombed, do you really think that the UN was letting their schools be used as rocket launching sites, get real! Get your facts right before you start piping up please!
For those of you who are claiming that Muslim outrage is selective because there have been no protests against ISIS are showing how ill informed you are. The government has been more than eloquent in denouncing ISIS and have already pledged their support for Nouri al-Malaki. There puppet master in the US has already sent 300 Special Forces and are contemplating air strikes. So there no need for protests because there already something being done. The pro-Palestine protests are because of government inaction and the fact the government loses its tongue and b**l’s when it comes to Israel.
For those who don’t want Brit involvement in this issue, I am sorry to tell you that its way to late. If you read the above article you would know that Britain provides weapons plus other support for Israel. For those of you who have followed the conflict for longer than the past month would also know that Israel exists because of a British mandate of Palatine. What right did Britain have to give Palestine to Zionists?
The holocaust guilt on here is ridiculous. On this issue, well done Baroness Warsi for proving that you have principles and a sole that is not for sale!2fly4u

Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort it

Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort itBertSanders

The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.

Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes

The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.
Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes-LP-

OLDLAD wrote:
Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.

Israel is a product of western hypocrisy at its finest. Most of the comments on here are full of ignorance and narrow mindedness. Countries in the west claim to be champions of human rights but yet don’t do anything to stop Israel’s human rights abuses.

For those of you who are claiming Hamas are killing children and civilians may be you should read a bit more. There have been 60 Israeli casualties all but 2 were soldiers, there has been 1600 Palestinian casualties 900 of which were children. They are the facts according to the BBC. For those of you claiming that Hamas fir rockets form schools and hospitals should know that 3 UN schools have been bombed, do you really think that the UN was letting their schools be used as rocket launching sites, get real! Get your facts right before you start piping up please!

For those of you who are claiming that Muslim outrage is selective because there have been no protests against ISIS are showing how ill informed you are. The government has been more than eloquent in denouncing ISIS and have already pledged their support for Nouri al-Malaki. There puppet master in the US has already sent 300 Special Forces and are contemplating air strikes. So there no need for protests because there already something being done. The pro-Palestine protests are because of government inaction and the fact the government loses its tongue and b**l’s when it comes to Israel.

For those who don’t want Brit involvement in this issue, I am sorry to tell you that its way to late. If you read the above article you would know that Britain provides weapons plus other support for Israel. For those of you who have followed the conflict for longer than the past month would also know that Israel exists because of a British mandate of Palatine. What right did Britain have to give Palestine to Zionists?

The holocaust guilt on here is ridiculous. On this issue, well done Baroness Warsi for proving that you have principles and a sole that is not for sale!

Would that be the unbiased BBC then.
Was that a joke about her footwear or did you mean her soul.

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote:
Nothing to do with this country. For once lets keep our noses out of other peoples disputes. If you help you get no thanks but criticism if you dont help it's the same. Look at Syria, complaints because we didn't go, in Afghanistan and Iraq complaints because we did. Muslim demonstrating should decide what they want, to live here in peace or go and fight. Their decision but do not force your protests on us. As an aside, I have yet to see people demonstrating about what ISIS is doing, two faced comes to mind.[/p][/quote]Israel is a product of western hypocrisy at its finest. Most of the comments on here are full of ignorance and narrow mindedness. Countries in the west claim to be champions of human rights but yet don’t do anything to stop Israel’s human rights abuses.
For those of you who are claiming Hamas are killing children and civilians may be you should read a bit more. There have been 60 Israeli casualties all but 2 were soldiers, there has been 1600 Palestinian casualties 900 of which were children. They are the facts according to the BBC. For those of you claiming that Hamas fir rockets form schools and hospitals should know that 3 UN schools have been bombed, do you really think that the UN was letting their schools be used as rocket launching sites, get real! Get your facts right before you start piping up please!
For those of you who are claiming that Muslim outrage is selective because there have been no protests against ISIS are showing how ill informed you are. The government has been more than eloquent in denouncing ISIS and have already pledged their support for Nouri al-Malaki. There puppet master in the US has already sent 300 Special Forces and are contemplating air strikes. So there no need for protests because there already something being done. The pro-Palestine protests are because of government inaction and the fact the government loses its tongue and b**l’s when it comes to Israel.
For those who don’t want Brit involvement in this issue, I am sorry to tell you that its way to late. If you read the above article you would know that Britain provides weapons plus other support for Israel. For those of you who have followed the conflict for longer than the past month would also know that Israel exists because of a British mandate of Palatine. What right did Britain have to give Palestine to Zionists?
The holocaust guilt on here is ridiculous. On this issue, well done Baroness Warsi for proving that you have principles and a sole that is not for sale![/p][/quote]Would that be the unbiased BBC then.
Was that a joke about her footwear or did you mean her soul.flogem

BertSanders wrote:
Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort it

I did mean soul in my last post. Its been quoted in many media outlets, if the BBC isn't good for your try one of the others e.g. sky news. I asked what right did Britain have to give some one else's country to some one else. Spoils of war is not justification. If Britain doesn't want to get involved then it should stop arming and providing other support for Israel.

[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote:
Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort it[/p][/quote]I did mean soul in my last post. Its been quoted in many media outlets, if the BBC isn't good for your try one of the others e.g. sky news. I asked what right did Britain have to give some one else's country to some one else. Spoils of war is not justification. If Britain doesn't want to get involved then it should stop arming and providing other support for Israel.2fly4u

Warsi has been a supporter of Hamas since 2006, or that has been,from when she publicly backed them. Warsi was recently asked about the islamification of schools in Birmingham, to which she replied "were a tolerant society". For sombody of her humble beginnings to rise to where she is, hasn't been her intelectual prowess.
Israel are a huge power and have used it too much. But how can they fight a enemy which hides in schools, hotels or anywhere there are huge swathes of innocent people. The Palestians need to stop sacrificing themselves and take on Hamas. You are not a good muslim if you sacrifice your whole family just because some man says so!!. Has for warsi she is only interested in muslims. Read the article in the spectator her history is very enlightening.

Warsi has been a supporter of Hamas since 2006, or that has been,from when she publicly backed them. Warsi was recently asked about the islamification of schools in Birmingham, to which she replied "were a tolerant society". For sombody of her humble beginnings to rise to where she is, hasn't been her intelectual prowess.
Israel are a huge power and have used it too much. But how can they fight a enemy which hides in schools, hotels or anywhere there are huge swathes of innocent people. The Palestians need to stop sacrificing themselves and take on Hamas. You are not a good muslim if you sacrifice your whole family just because some man says so!!. Has for warsi she is only interested in muslims. Read the article in the spectator her history is very enlightening.They only do damage!

BertSanders wrote:
Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort it

I did mean soul in my last post. Its been quoted in many media outlets, if the BBC isn't good for your try one of the others e.g. sky news. I asked what right did Britain have to give some one else's country to some one else. Spoils of war is not justification. If Britain doesn't want to get involved then it should stop arming and providing other support for Israel.

"More aggressive than we are now " I wonder if the Iraquis would agree with that!

I don't believe Britain has ever stopped hounding a military solution to foreign problems over all the years, but I agree we should take a leaf out of the modern German book. Trouble is its a bit late since we spend much time arming countries incl. Israel to the teeth.

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote:
Palestine was a spoil of the defeat of the Otterman Empire - and was a British Protectorate - we were more aggressive then than we are now.
It is not our business - let us behave like Germany for a change - and let others sort it[/p][/quote]I did mean soul in my last post. Its been quoted in many media outlets, if the BBC isn't good for your try one of the others e.g. sky news. I asked what right did Britain have to give some one else's country to some one else. Spoils of war is not justification. If Britain doesn't want to get involved then it should stop arming and providing other support for Israel.[/p][/quote]"More aggressive than we are now " I wonder if the Iraquis would agree with that!
I don't believe Britain has ever stopped hounding a military solution to foreign problems over all the years, but I agree we should take a leaf out of the modern German book. Trouble is its a bit late since we spend much time arming countries incl. Israel to the teeth.Cityman23

They only do damage! wrote:
Warsi has been a supporter of Hamas since 2006, or that has been,from when she publicly backed them. Warsi was recently asked about the islamification of schools in Birmingham, to which she replied &quot;were a tolerant society". For sombody of her humble beginnings to rise to where she is, hasn't been her intelectual prowess.
Israel are a huge power and have used it too much. But how can they fight a enemy which hides in schools, hotels or anywhere there are huge swathes of innocent people. The Palestians need to stop sacrificing themselves and take on Hamas. You are not a good muslim if you sacrifice your whole family just because some man says so!!. Has for warsi she is only interested in muslims. Read the article in the spectator her history is very enlightening.

Yes, that sounds plausible- David Cameron having a supporter of Hamas in his cabinet!!!!???!!

And as for her intellectual abilities, I can't imagine her colleagues would have put up with having someone lacking, working beside them. After all, there needs to be more women in Parliament, but they do need to be up to the job.

Gosh, did I just defend a Tory? Is the sun, is it the heat or what?!!!

[quote][p][bold]They only do damage![/bold] wrote:
Warsi has been a supporter of Hamas since 2006, or that has been,from when she publicly backed them. Warsi was recently asked about the islamification of schools in Birmingham, to which she replied "were a tolerant society". For sombody of her humble beginnings to rise to where she is, hasn't been her intelectual prowess.
Israel are a huge power and have used it too much. But how can they fight a enemy which hides in schools, hotels or anywhere there are huge swathes of innocent people. The Palestians need to stop sacrificing themselves and take on Hamas. You are not a good muslim if you sacrifice your whole family just because some man says so!!. Has for warsi she is only interested in muslims. Read the article in the spectator her history is very enlightening.[/p][/quote]Yes, that sounds plausible- David Cameron having a supporter of Hamas in his cabinet!!!!???!!
And as for her intellectual abilities, I can't imagine her colleagues would have put up with having someone lacking, working beside them. After all, there needs to be more women in Parliament, but they do need to be up to the job.
Gosh, did I just defend a Tory? Is the sun, is it the heat or what?!!!Cityman23

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

I think they are much worse.

I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as &quot;much worse" than the Nazi regime

oh dear god

simple,they are doingexactly what the Nazis did, ethnic cleansing

[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]I think they are much worse.[/p][/quote]I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as "much worse" than the Nazi regime
oh dear god[/p][/quote]simple,they are doingexactly what the Nazis did, ethnic cleansinglazybeat

-LP- wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.

Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes

Ban Ki Moon, Secry. General of the United Nations has criticised Israel's actions in the strongest terms.

[quote][p][bold]-LP-[/bold] wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.
Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes[/p][/quote]Ban Ki Moon, Secry. General of the United Nations has criticised Israel's actions in the strongest terms.Cityman23

-LP- wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.

Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes

Ban Ki Moon, Secry. General of the United Nations has criticised Israel's actions in the strongest terms.

"Drone footage" - ah yes, those amazing modern contraptions that allow people to be slaughtered from a long distance away. Though called, lovingly "smart weapons" they have an annoyingly consistent habit of mowing down civilians.

The deliberate killing of civilians is outlawed by the UN, by the way.

[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]-LP-[/bold] wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.
Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes[/p][/quote]Ban Ki Moon, Secry. General of the United Nations has criticised Israel's actions in the strongest terms.[/p][/quote]"Drone footage" - ah yes, those amazing modern contraptions that allow people to be slaughtered from a long distance away. Though called, lovingly "smart weapons" they have an annoyingly consistent habit of mowing down civilians.
The deliberate killing of civilians is outlawed by the UN, by the way.Cityman23

-LP- wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.

Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes

You are so petty. The last school to be hit is being disputed because the crater is outside the school? It’s not like the Israelis to miss a school however do you think it matters whether a state of the art bomb full of explosives lands on the pavement in front of the school or directly on it. That is the most ridiculous defence ever. I think if one of these bombs lands near you or on you the damage and human casualties would be significant. Hamas were probably moving bodies inside for identification you can’t expect them to leave them to rot on the pavement.

[quote][p][bold]-LP-[/bold] wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.
Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes[/p][/quote]You are so petty. The last school to be hit is being disputed because the crater is outside the school? It’s not like the Israelis to miss a school however do you think it matters whether a state of the art bomb full of explosives lands on the pavement in front of the school or directly on it. That is the most ridiculous defence ever. I think if one of these bombs lands near you or on you the damage and human casualties would be significant. Hamas were probably moving bodies inside for identification you can’t expect them to leave them to rot on the pavement.2fly4u

-LP- wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.

Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes

You are so petty. The last school to be hit is being disputed because the crater is outside the school? It’s not like the Israelis to miss a school however do you think it matters whether a state of the art bomb full of explosives lands on the pavement in front of the school or directly on it. That is the most ridiculous defence ever. I think if one of these bombs lands near you or on you the damage and human casualties would be significant. Hamas were probably moving bodies inside for identification you can’t expect them to leave them to rot on the pavement.

If these school were bombed because they were being used as a missile silo then what was the crime of three boys playing football on the beach? What were the Israelis afraid of, getting hit by the ball?

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]-LP-[/bold] wrote:
The UN have already told hamas off for storing rockets at 2 different schools... so while the UN wouldn't let Hamas openly launch rockets from schools and hospitals, it does happen, there are several pictures printed in news papers around the world showing this.
Also the last school to be hit has already been called into dispute, evidence shows the crater outside and drone footage shows Hamas supporters moving bodies inside for the press to take pictures of... naw, hamas wouldn't make up acts of Israeli terror for the world media I hear you say... /rolleyes[/p][/quote]You are so petty. The last school to be hit is being disputed because the crater is outside the school? It’s not like the Israelis to miss a school however do you think it matters whether a state of the art bomb full of explosives lands on the pavement in front of the school or directly on it. That is the most ridiculous defence ever. I think if one of these bombs lands near you or on you the damage and human casualties would be significant. Hamas were probably moving bodies inside for identification you can’t expect them to leave them to rot on the pavement.[/p][/quote]If these school were bombed because they were being used as a missile silo then what was the crime of three boys playing football on the beach? What were the Israelis afraid of, getting hit by the ball?2fly4u

The racist /Zionist propaganda machine is in full bile mode direct from the apartheid state...bradfordians don't be fooled...a lot of these comments are from professional fully paid,full time employees of the apartheid state continually trying to justify the murder of babies in the concentration camps/ghetto they have created!!!!

The racist /Zionist propaganda machine is in full bile mode direct from the apartheid state...bradfordians don't be fooled...a lot of these comments are from professional fully paid,full time employees of the apartheid state continually trying to justify the murder of babies in the concentration camps/ghetto they have created!!!!Rob1942

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

I think they are much worse.

I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as &quot;much worse" than the Nazi regime

oh dear god

simple,they are doingexactly what the Nazis did, ethnic cleansing

Difference is the nazis weren't fighting someone who was initially attacking them and had made statements saying their polictal agenda was simply to wipe their race and religion from the face of the earth.

[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]I think they are much worse.[/p][/quote]I would love to know how you can define the country of Israel as "much worse" than the Nazi regime
oh dear god[/p][/quote]simple,they are doingexactly what the Nazis did, ethnic cleansing[/p][/quote]Difference is the nazis weren't fighting someone who was initially attacking them and had made statements saying their polictal agenda was simply to wipe their race and religion from the face of the earth.BCFC1911

Rob1942 wrote:
The racist /Zionist propaganda machine is in full bile mode direct from the apartheid state...bradfordians don't be fooled...a lot of these comments are from professional fully paid,full time employees of the apartheid state continually trying to justify the murder of babies in the concentration camps/ghetto they have created!!!!

If you were born in 1942 Rob,I can't believe you are still so gullible.

[quote][p][bold]Rob1942[/bold] wrote:
The racist /Zionist propaganda machine is in full bile mode direct from the apartheid state...bradfordians don't be fooled...a lot of these comments are from professional fully paid,full time employees of the apartheid state continually trying to justify the murder of babies in the concentration camps/ghetto they have created!!!![/p][/quote]If you were born in 1942 Rob,I can't believe you are still so gullible.flogem

The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ

The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQAndy Mac

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

That video says it all really

How about a comment from all the Israel haters on here?

[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]That video says it all really
How about a comment from all the Israel haters on here?BCFC1911

David Ward is just pandering to Muslim vote to keep his cushy job which he got by lying and the Muslim voters! He wouldn't say anything about the millions of victims of ISIS and Boko Haram because he knows the Muslims secretly sympathise with their policies of genocide and mass murder of non Muslims and they won't vote for him if he dared !

David Ward is just pandering to Muslim vote to keep his cushy job which he got by lying and the Muslim voters! He wouldn't say anything about the millions of victims of ISIS and Boko Haram because he knows the Muslims secretly sympathise with their policies of genocide and mass murder of non Muslims and they won't vote for him if he dared !GlobalSingh

The number obviously refers to the number of brain cells you have. And going down daily. Looking forward to Robbie 999 any day soon.

Your post is so ludicrous and offensive, it will be used in future training modules to show just how thick and misinformed it is possible to get.

"Employees of the apartheid state..." is particularly funny.

But don't be put off. More please.

Robbie 1942,
The number obviously refers to the number of brain cells you have. And going down daily. Looking forward to Robbie 999 any day soon.
Your post is so ludicrous and offensive, it will be used in future training modules to show just how thick and misinformed it is possible to get.
"Employees of the apartheid state..." is particularly funny.
But don't be put off. More please.idf fanclub

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.2fly4u

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.2fly4u

Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.

Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.LeftLongAgo

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.davidh66

Every Day in Syria more people are killed than in all of the war so far in Gaza. Who are these thousands of men, women and children being murdered every day and who is killing them?
Muslims killing Muslims. To be more specific Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims. Even the Christians in Iraq are given the choice, give us money or die. Shia are simply executed. Ask yourself why is it that there are no protests or flag flying for these fellow Muslims in Bradford. Why is it seemingly ok by the majority Sunni Muslims in Bradford for this slaughter to go unprotested. Is it okay for Muslims to kill Muslims but not Jews to kill Muslims?
You may not be aware of a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus in Syria(yes Muslim controlled area) it is called Yarmouk. Research it yourself. The inhabitants are being starved to death in atrocious conditions. No reports of this in the news or protested on the streets of Bradford. Basically the point I am making is that what people are experiencing is propaganda at its worst. The cynical manipulation of people for what is simply a fund raising cash cow for extremist groups.
You can work this one out for yourself with basic maths. Gaza is a tiny piece of land with a small population. Every where, from on the street to online, all over the world, you will see donate to relief for Gaza. How many millions do you think has been collected 10, 100, 200. The population of Gaza is less than 2 million. If the money was going to Gaza every single person in Gaza today would be very rich!
I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel. But please don't be blinded by evil propaganda designed to get you to buy more weapons to kill more innocents in other parts of the world away from Gaza.

Every Day in Syria more people are killed than in all of the war so far in Gaza. Who are these thousands of men, women and children being murdered every day and who is killing them?
Muslims killing Muslims. To be more specific Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims. Even the Christians in Iraq are given the choice, give us money or die. Shia are simply executed. Ask yourself why is it that there are no protests or flag flying for these fellow Muslims in Bradford. Why is it seemingly ok by the majority Sunni Muslims in Bradford for this slaughter to go unprotested. Is it okay for Muslims to kill Muslims but not Jews to kill Muslims?
You may not be aware of a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus in Syria(yes Muslim controlled area) it is called Yarmouk. Research it yourself. The inhabitants are being starved to death in atrocious conditions. No reports of this in the news or protested on the streets of Bradford. Basically the point I am making is that what people are experiencing is propaganda at its worst. The cynical manipulation of people for what is simply a fund raising cash cow for extremist groups.
You can work this one out for yourself with basic maths. Gaza is a tiny piece of land with a small population. Every where, from on the street to online, all over the world, you will see donate to relief for Gaza. How many millions do you think has been collected 10, 100, 200. The population of Gaza is less than 2 million. If the money was going to Gaza every single person in Gaza today would be very rich!
I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel. But please don't be blinded by evil propaganda designed to get you to buy more weapons to kill more innocents in other parts of the world away from Gaza.Gasmanterry

How can anyone be so stupid and conned as to believe in this man? He is a lying, womanising piece of Glasgow Gorbals ****. Didn't you see him pretending to be a cat on Big Brother and licking cream from the actress Rula Lenska's hands? He is nothing but a bloody great barrage balloon of self publicity and a self pitying, self righteous windbag. His only interest is the advancement of George Galloway. I doubt he gives a monkeys about Israel or Palestine except when it suits him to pick the side he thinks will support him. Don't you remember him praising Saddam Hussein on telly? Why do you think he went to Bradford after being rejected by the voters of Poplar and Limehouse in 2010? He went to Bradford because he knew there were a sufficient number of Muslims there ignorant and stupid enough to vote for him! I am a dyed-in-the-wool Yorkshireman born in Bradford, and my ancestors in Bradford go back well into the 18th century, and it appals me to think that such a thug and chancer as this can actually represent a constituency of my home town in Parliament.

How can anyone be so stupid and conned as to believe in this man? He is a lying, womanising piece of Glasgow Gorbals ****. Didn't you see him pretending to be a cat on Big Brother and licking cream from the actress Rula Lenska's hands? He is nothing but a bloody great barrage balloon of self publicity and a self pitying, self righteous windbag. His only interest is the advancement of George Galloway. I doubt he gives a monkeys about Israel or Palestine except when it suits him to pick the side he thinks will support him. Don't you remember him praising Saddam Hussein on telly? Why do you think he went to Bradford after being rejected by the voters of Poplar and Limehouse in 2010? He went to Bradford because he knew there were a sufficient number of Muslims there ignorant and stupid enough to vote for him! I am a dyed-in-the-wool Yorkshireman born in Bradford, and my ancestors in Bradford go back well into the 18th century, and it appals me to think that such a thug and chancer as this can actually represent a constituency of my home town in Parliament.Roy Stockdill

Many Muslims, sadly, are pretty stupid and ignorant since they have been brainwashed from time immemorial - well, ever since that fellow who proclaimed himself a prophet called Muhammed sat down one day and wrote a fictional book called the Koran, pouring out his innermost thoughts and pretentious rubbish, never imagining that one day billions of simple, ignorant and backward people would believe it!

The cause of 99 per cent of the troubles in this sad little world of ours is religion and Muslims are usually behind about 90 per cent of it because they have had their pestilential religion and culture thrust down their throats from the day they were born and are simply not educated or intelligent enough to question or analyse it. I apply the same logic and statement to ALL religions, it goes without saying. Abolish religion and the human race would move on by leaps and bounds. Stick with religion and we will remain forever in the Dark Ages.

Concerning Gaza, both sides have much to answer for. Yes, Israel's response to the constant attacks on them is perhaps excessive, but who can blame them? The Hamas cowards hide behind women and children and the other Arab countries, who could easily accommodate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to, prefer to keep them in the front line as dispensible pawns in their war against Israel. All they have to do is recognise Israel's right to exist and offer homes to the Palestinian refugees and the conflict would be solved. But of course, they won't do this because they want to keep the war going for their own ends.

Many Muslims, sadly, are pretty stupid and ignorant since they have been brainwashed from time immemorial - well, ever since that fellow who proclaimed himself a prophet called Muhammed sat down one day and wrote a fictional book called the Koran, pouring out his innermost thoughts and pretentious rubbish, never imagining that one day billions of simple, ignorant and backward people would believe it!
The cause of 99 per cent of the troubles in this sad little world of ours is religion and Muslims are usually behind about 90 per cent of it because they have had their pestilential religion and culture thrust down their throats from the day they were born and are simply not educated or intelligent enough to question or analyse it. I apply the same logic and statement to ALL religions, it goes without saying. Abolish religion and the human race would move on by leaps and bounds. Stick with religion and we will remain forever in the Dark Ages.
Concerning Gaza, both sides have much to answer for. Yes, Israel's response to the constant attacks on them is perhaps excessive, but who can blame them? The Hamas cowards hide behind women and children and the other Arab countries, who could easily accommodate the Palestinian refugees if they chose to, prefer to keep them in the front line as dispensible pawns in their war against Israel. All they have to do is recognise Israel's right to exist and offer homes to the Palestinian refugees and the conflict would be solved. But of course, they won't do this because they want to keep the war going for their own ends.Roy Stockdill

Plain and Simple. Hamas use the cover of women and children to fire their rockets, and then play to the worlds bleeding heart left-wing journalists to show pictures of screaming women carrying children to hospital, after the unsurprising Israeli response. Despicable people. Religion of Peace? No Religion of The Brain-Washed. The women even talk about having more children so that they can be "martyrs" - what century do they live in?

Plain and Simple. Hamas use the cover of women and children to fire their rockets, and then play to the worlds bleeding heart left-wing journalists to show pictures of screaming women carrying children to hospital, after the unsurprising Israeli response. Despicable people. Religion of Peace? No Religion of The Brain-Washed. The women even talk about having more children so that they can be "martyrs" - what century do they live in?LeftLongAgo

The conflict is unending unless we start to look at the constant war in new ways of solving it and not just political solutions with no long-term basis for peace and development for the people of the Middle East. Indeed these political failures have continued infinitum as history has shown through the continual death toll of the long-term so-called political solutions ever since Israel became a sovereign state in 1948.

ISRAEL - PALESTINE WAR - The only Solution to what will be a never-ending Conflict if mindsets do not change to applied economic solutions
http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/08/isra
el-palestine-war-onl
y-solution-to.html

Dr David Hill
CEO, World Innovation Foundation

The conflict is unending unless we start to look at the constant war in new ways of solving it and not just political solutions with no long-term basis for peace and development for the people of the Middle East. Indeed these political failures have continued infinitum as history has shown through the continual death toll of the long-term so-called political solutions ever since Israel became a sovereign state in 1948.
ISRAEL - PALESTINE WAR - The only Solution to what will be a never-ending Conflict if mindsets do not change to applied economic solutions
http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/08/isra
el-palestine-war-onl
y-solution-to.html
Dr David Hill
CEO, World Innovation Foundationbettysenior

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.

Israel negotiates in good faith? That's why when anything has ever been agreed Israel continues to build illegal settlements. Israel are to faced and have nothing to gain from successful negotiations because they rather keep killing and occupying land illegaly

[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote:
Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.[/p][/quote]Israel negotiates in good faith? That's why when anything has ever been agreed Israel continues to build illegal settlements. Israel are to faced and have nothing to gain from successful negotiations because they rather keep killing and occupying land illegaly2fly4u

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.

Israel negotiates in good faith? That's why when anything has ever been agreed Israel continues to build illegal settlements. Israel are to faced and have nothing to gain from successful negotiations because they rather keep killing and occupying land illegaly

[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote:
Uhhhm. 2fly4U.
Why do you think there is a blockade? Because Palestinians do not act or negotiate in good faith. They want continual war and Jihad. The whole Palestinian movement for Independence was hijacked by Jihadists as Arafats health suffered and he eventually died. And guess what? The palestinians even blamed Israel for posoning him - got the french to dig up and test his body, what did the find - NOTHING! More Palestinian lies.[/p][/quote]Israel negotiates in good faith? That's why when anything has ever been agreed Israel continues to build illegal settlements. Israel are to faced and have nothing to gain from successful negotiations because they rather keep killing and occupying land illegaly2fly4u

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?2fly4u

Gasmanterry wrote:
Every Day in Syria more people are killed than in all of the war so far in Gaza. Who are these thousands of men, women and children being murdered every day and who is killing them?
Muslims killing Muslims. To be more specific Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims. Even the Christians in Iraq are given the choice, give us money or die. Shia are simply executed. Ask yourself why is it that there are no protests or flag flying for these fellow Muslims in Bradford. Why is it seemingly ok by the majority Sunni Muslims in Bradford for this slaughter to go unprotested. Is it okay for Muslims to kill Muslims but not Jews to kill Muslims?
You may not be aware of a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus in Syria(yes Muslim controlled area) it is called Yarmouk. Research it yourself. The inhabitants are being starved to death in atrocious conditions. No reports of this in the news or protested on the streets of Bradford. Basically the point I am making is that what people are experiencing is propaganda at its worst. The cynical manipulation of people for what is simply a fund raising cash cow for extremist groups.
You can work this one out for yourself with basic maths. Gaza is a tiny piece of land with a small population. Every where, from on the street to online, all over the world, you will see donate to relief for Gaza. How many millions do you think has been collected 10, 100, 200. The population of Gaza is less than 2 million. If the money was going to Gaza every single person in Gaza today would be very rich!
I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel. But please don't be blinded by evil propaganda designed to get you to buy more weapons to kill more innocents in other parts of the world away from Gaza.

Your so wrong! Its Bashar al-Asad that belongs to the minority shia sect. Asad is a Alawite which is a minority group amongst shia and its his government who are doing the killing with there Russian supplied jets. The Syrian liberation army are sunis. You couldn't be more wrong with that post

[quote][p][bold]Gasmanterry[/bold] wrote:
Every Day in Syria more people are killed than in all of the war so far in Gaza. Who are these thousands of men, women and children being murdered every day and who is killing them?
Muslims killing Muslims. To be more specific Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims. Even the Christians in Iraq are given the choice, give us money or die. Shia are simply executed. Ask yourself why is it that there are no protests or flag flying for these fellow Muslims in Bradford. Why is it seemingly ok by the majority Sunni Muslims in Bradford for this slaughter to go unprotested. Is it okay for Muslims to kill Muslims but not Jews to kill Muslims?
You may not be aware of a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus in Syria(yes Muslim controlled area) it is called Yarmouk. Research it yourself. The inhabitants are being starved to death in atrocious conditions. No reports of this in the news or protested on the streets of Bradford. Basically the point I am making is that what people are experiencing is propaganda at its worst. The cynical manipulation of people for what is simply a fund raising cash cow for extremist groups.
You can work this one out for yourself with basic maths. Gaza is a tiny piece of land with a small population. Every where, from on the street to online, all over the world, you will see donate to relief for Gaza. How many millions do you think has been collected 10, 100, 200. The population of Gaza is less than 2 million. If the money was going to Gaza every single person in Gaza today would be very rich!
I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel. But please don't be blinded by evil propaganda designed to get you to buy more weapons to kill more innocents in other parts of the world away from Gaza.[/p][/quote]Your so wrong! Its Bashar al-Asad that belongs to the minority shia sect. Asad is a Alawite which is a minority group amongst shia and its his government who are doing the killing with there Russian supplied jets. The Syrian liberation army are sunis. You couldn't be more wrong with that post2fly4u

Okay 2fly4me. We will keep it simple.
Question. Who murdered most Muslims yesterday and who will murder most Muslims today etc?
Answer other Muslims not Israelis. That is not propaganda or opinion, it is a fact. Care to have a protest about that in Centenary square?

Okay 2fly4me. We will keep it simple.
Question. Who murdered most Muslims yesterday and who will murder most Muslims today etc?
Answer other Muslims not Israelis. That is not propaganda or opinion, it is a fact. Care to have a protest about that in Centenary square?Gasmanterry

Gasmanterry wrote:
Okay 2fly4me. We will keep it simple.
Question. Who murdered most Muslims yesterday and who will murder most Muslims today etc?
Answer other Muslims not Israelis. That is not propaganda or opinion, it is a fact. Care to have a protest about that in Centenary square?

There was a Syria protest on 2nd Sep 2013 (http://www.theteleg
raphandargus.co.uk/n
ews/local/localbrad/
10648600.Protest_rai
ses_awareness_of_Syr
ia_troubles/) feel free to read about it! Stop the war coalition have organised a syria protest sat 31 August (http://www.stopwar.
org.uk/events/bradfo
rd-syria-protest) feel free to attend becuase we all know how much you care Syria. It just shows your hypocracy, your rather deal with syria and Isis but you cant bring have a bad word said about Israel.

[quote][p][bold]Gasmanterry[/bold] wrote:
Okay 2fly4me. We will keep it simple.
Question. Who murdered most Muslims yesterday and who will murder most Muslims today etc?
Answer other Muslims not Israelis. That is not propaganda or opinion, it is a fact. Care to have a protest about that in Centenary square?[/p][/quote]There was a Syria protest on 2nd Sep 2013 (http://www.theteleg
raphandargus.co.uk/n
ews/local/localbrad/
10648600.Protest_rai
ses_awareness_of_Syr
ia_troubles/) feel free to read about it! Stop the war coalition have organised a syria protest sat 31 August (http://www.stopwar.
org.uk/events/bradfo
rd-syria-protest) feel free to attend becuase we all know how much you care Syria. It just shows your hypocracy, your rather deal with syria and Isis but you cant bring have a bad word said about Israel.2fly4u

And the image I have when the bombs went off in London was that of children in Gaza celebrating and being given candy to celebrate be the elders.

Any comments here or resigning ministers will have no effect on bombs going off in Gaza or Islamic murderers wantonly killing people in Syria or Iraq simply because they refuse to follow Islam.

Should Israel ever fall (and it won't whilst they have US support) then God help the West as the Muslim fundamentalists will not stop there. Believe me, you have seen nothing yet of true barbarity.

And the image I have when the bombs went off in London was that of children in Gaza celebrating and being given candy to celebrate be the elders.
Any comments here or resigning ministers will have no effect on bombs going off in Gaza or Islamic murderers wantonly killing people in Syria or Iraq simply because they refuse to follow Islam.
Should Israel ever fall (and it won't whilst they have US support) then God help the West as the Muslim fundamentalists will not stop there. Believe me, you have seen nothing yet of true barbarity.notpoliticallycorrect

notpoliticallycorrec
t is absolutely right. Much of the Islamic world is backward, barbaric and medieval in its outlook and wishes to return the entire world to the Dark Ages. Whatever is happening in Gaza is a sideshow compared to the turmoil, chaos and genocide that is going on in Syria and Iraq, where fundamentalist Muslims are slaughtering other Muslims, Christians and anyone else who refuses to convert to their evil, poisonous beliefs. These lunatics and murderers and savages hate the West because of its power, success and wealth, while the Islamic world has scarcely moved an inch forward since the Middle Ages. They have to be defeated because they pose by far the biggest threat the world has faced since Adolf Hitler and his Nazis and the equal barbarism of the Japanese in WWII.

notpoliticallycorrec
t is absolutely right. Much of the Islamic world is backward, barbaric and medieval in its outlook and wishes to return the entire world to the Dark Ages. Whatever is happening in Gaza is a sideshow compared to the turmoil, chaos and genocide that is going on in Syria and Iraq, where fundamentalist Muslims are slaughtering other Muslims, Christians and anyone else who refuses to convert to their evil, poisonous beliefs. These lunatics and murderers and savages hate the West because of its power, success and wealth, while the Islamic world has scarcely moved an inch forward since the Middle Ages. They have to be defeated because they pose by far the biggest threat the world has faced since Adolf Hitler and his Nazis and the equal barbarism of the Japanese in WWII.Roy Stockdill

@2fly4u
Your hatred of Israel blinds you. Read my original post again. "I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel."
Why do assume to know Me? I was at the Syria protest.
I assume you think it is OK to hate Israelis but not care about the atrocities in the rest of the world because of your brain washing since a child.

@2fly4u
Your hatred of Israel blinds you. Read my original post again. "I am not attempting to minimise the disgraceful slaughter of the innocents in Gaza by Israel."
Why do assume to know Me? I was at the Syria protest.
I assume you think it is OK to hate Israelis but not care about the atrocities in the rest of the world because of your brain washing since a child.Gasmanterry

This entire debate about who's right and who's wrong in Gaza, whether it's Muslims or Israelis, is utterly fatuous and fallacious because everything being said addresses the WRONG issue!

For me, there is only one issue that matters, i.e. that the one evil at the heart of everything is the cancerous poison of religion. Yes, billions of ignorant Muslims have been brainwashed from birth to believe in the nonsense called the Koran written by some so-called prophet 1500 years ago - but, then, so have billions of Christians been brainwashed to believe in the fables and fairy tales in the Bible. Both are works of fiction!

Religion has been responsible for more wars, deaths, atrocities and barbarities than any other single factor in history. Is there any difference between the genocide in Syria and Iraq today and the bloodshed of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition? The human race will never move forward until it finally realises that ALL religions, without exception, are an enormous confidence trick perpetrated upon the self deluded and ignorant by false prophets and that God, Allah, whatever you want to call him, exists only in the minds of unthinking people incapable of applying logic and analysis. Let mankind - and womankind, naturally - cast off the yoke and shackles of religion and only then, just possibly, will there be hope for the world!

This entire debate about who's right and who's wrong in Gaza, whether it's Muslims or Israelis, is utterly fatuous and fallacious because everything being said addresses the WRONG issue!
For me, there is only one issue that matters, i.e. that the one evil at the heart of everything is the cancerous poison of religion. Yes, billions of ignorant Muslims have been brainwashed from birth to believe in the nonsense called the Koran written by some so-called prophet 1500 years ago - but, then, so have billions of Christians been brainwashed to believe in the fables and fairy tales in the Bible. Both are works of fiction!
Religion has been responsible for more wars, deaths, atrocities and barbarities than any other single factor in history. Is there any difference between the genocide in Syria and Iraq today and the bloodshed of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition? The human race will never move forward until it finally realises that ALL religions, without exception, are an enormous confidence trick perpetrated upon the self deluded and ignorant by false prophets and that God, Allah, whatever you want to call him, exists only in the minds of unthinking people incapable of applying logic and analysis. Let mankind - and womankind, naturally - cast off the yoke and shackles of religion and only then, just possibly, will there be hope for the world!Roy Stockdill

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?[/p][/quote]And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?davidh66

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?

Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?

[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?[/p][/quote]And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?[/p][/quote]Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?2fly4u

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?

Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?

If you don't believe me read about, I will put various sources because I am sure you will claim bias otherwise

I would love to hear excuses for this one. May be the ball was full of explosives?

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?[/p][/quote]And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?[/p][/quote]Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?[/p][/quote]If you don't believe me read about, I will put various sources because I am sure you will claim bias otherwise
http://www.channel4.
com/news/israel-stri
ke-kills-four-boys-o
n-gaza-beach-video
http://www.channel4.
com/news/israel-stri
ke-kills-four-boys-o
n-gaza-beach-videoam
ily-playing-Gaza-bea
ch-Israeli-shell-wip
ed-out.html
http://m.europe.ws
j.com/articles/pales
tinians-mourn-four-b
oys-killed-on-gaza-b
each-by-israel-missi
les-1405616076?mobil
e=y
I would love to hear excuses for this one. May be the ball was full of explosives?2fly4u

No visitors, tourists, academics at the University (as if - unless you count Suicide Bomber Studies), goods and products of any kind (as if) - from this terrorist supporting so called nation.

Fair do?

In response to Gallybags latest gibbering.
We declare Barfdord to be a Palestinian Free Zone.
No visitors, tourists, academics at the University (as if - unless you count Suicide Bomber Studies), goods and products of any kind (as if) - from this terrorist supporting so called nation.
Fair do?idf fanclub

I'm sure Israeli tourists will be devastated at his plans not to allow them to visit the glorious sinkhole of Barfdord and its many splendors. You lucky devils, you.

Must have them really worried. I bet there are hundreds of thousands of UK citizens demanding Israeli citizenship, just so they won't be allowed to come here.

And as a follow up to Gallygibber...
I'm sure Israeli tourists will be devastated at his plans not to allow them to visit the glorious sinkhole of Barfdord and its many splendors. You lucky devils, you.
Must have them really worried. I bet there are hundreds of thousands of UK citizens demanding Israeli citizenship, just so they won't be allowed to come here.idf fanclub

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

I think they are much worse.

If you genuinely think that then you are a brainwashed, bigoted moron who needs to read some history books

[quote][p][bold]llos25[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]I think they are much worse.[/p][/quote]If you genuinely think that then you are a brainwashed, bigoted moron who needs to read some history booksmoanmoanwhingewhinge

Wanna Have wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.

I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler

You realise mind-bogglingly stupid comments like this do more to turn people AGAINST your cause than Israeli propaganda ever could?

[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote:
Israel have already done their ethnic cleansing damage so too little too late now.1000's of palastianians killed and 10,000's of future anti Israel warriors created.clearly Israel have a long standing policy of solving their problems with proxy USA military solutions they have never been interested in peace or protecting humanity other than that of their own people.[/p][/quote]I agree the Israelis are no better than Hitler[/p][/quote]You realise mind-bogglingly stupid comments like this do more to turn people AGAINST your cause than Israeli propaganda ever could?moanmoanwhingewhinge

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?

Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?

If you repeatedly fire rockets using schools , hospitals as launching sites eventually these launching sites are going to get bombed.

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?[/p][/quote]And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?[/p][/quote]Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?[/p][/quote]If you repeatedly fire rockets using schools , hospitals as launching sites eventually these launching sites are going to get bombed.davidh66

A spokesman for Mr Galloway said: "Anyone is welcome in Bradford who doesn't support the mass bombing and genocide of the Palestinian people.

"That rules out 95 per cent or more of the Israeli population according to recent surveys."

Who is this spokesman who presumes to speak for all of Bradford? I presume that supporters of Hamas and ISIS are more than welcome. It's time Galloway and his "spokesperson" were arrested for inciting hatred.

A spokesman for Mr Galloway said: "Anyone is welcome in Bradford who doesn't support the mass bombing and genocide of the Palestinian people.
"That rules out 95 per cent or more of the Israeli population according to recent surveys."
Who is this spokesman who presumes to speak for all of Bradford? I presume that supporters of Hamas and ISIS are more than welcome. It's time Galloway and his "spokesperson" were arrested for inciting hatred.Oldwestbowling

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

Go to work, dont worry about the explosive rockets that could land on your head at anytime, anywhere. Worry about the guy who may not signal well turning right. Right then!!.

[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]Go to work, dont worry about the explosive rockets that could land on your head at anytime, anywhere. Worry about the guy who may not signal well turning right. Right then!!.They only do damage!

Go to work, dont worry about the explosive rockets that could land on your head at anytime, anywhere?. Worry about the guy who may not signal well turning right. Right then!!, you sure! Yeah 2fly4u said!!.

Go to work, dont worry about the explosive rockets that could land on your head at anytime, anywhere?. Worry about the guy who may not signal well turning right. Right then!!, you sure! Yeah 2fly4u said!!.They only do damage!

Andy Mac wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF

RLQ

Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.

So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.

Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?

And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?

Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?

If you repeatedly fire rockets using schools , hospitals as launching sites eventually these launching sites are going to get bombed.

Same old rubbish about schools and hospitals being used to fire rockets blahblahblah! Still no mention about the boys that got killed on the beach? What's the matter, is hard to make up a plausible story to cover over this crime? Is it hard do debunk or refute this is evidence of war crimes? Whilst you sit here defending Israel by regurgitating the same old cheap rhetoric, last weak Israel asked US law makers to help them dodge charges for war crime. This was first revealed by the New York Times but I have included a link from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2718758/Israeli-lead
er-Netanyahu-approac
hed-US-lawmakers-hel
p-avoid-war-crimes-c
harges-Palestinian-c
ivilian-deaths.html. Why are Israel worried about war crimes? They only attack rocket launching sites and missile silos. Israel, themselves, know that they have committed war crimes but yet you mugs are sitting hear defending the indefensible. I bet your feeling pretty stupid now and rightly so!

[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]2fly4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy Mac[/bold] wrote:
The view on this is so simplistic from anywhere else in the country. Just not Bradford (or maybe Tower Hamlets).
1) Hamas fire rockets daily into Israel targeting CIVILIANS. The anti-Israel brigade fail to recognise or acknowledge that.
2) Israel rightly retaliates, targeting the original perpetrators.
3) The original perpetrators (cowards) take up residence in schools / hospitals, knowing full well they will cause 'outrage'.
4) Israel warns Palestinian civilians to leave these places that house rocket-firers.
Galloway and other do-gooders would have time better spent telling Hamas to stay away from civilian areas when carrying out their vile attacks.
Galloway should also be reported for Hate Crime (I have just done so) for this broadcast from OUR city at the weekend. This is full-on racial / religious hatred and should not be tolerated.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=fIYfhAKF
RLQ[/p][/quote]Why do you fail to understand that the rockets are fired in retaliation to Israel's economic and energy embargo on Gaza. There is hardly ever any civilian deaths because of the rocket attacks because of the iron dome missile system and they dont happen as often as you like to make up.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for Hamas to fire rockets at Isreal because there got a anti missile iron dome system shooting most of them down. But Isreal cannot retaliate.[/p][/quote]Didn't say it was okay, my point was it over played. Why do Israel have the right to defend themselves but not the Palestine?[/p][/quote]And Israel's missile are fired, targeting rocket launching sites, defending themselves from attack. Are they not allowed to do that ?[/p][/quote]Why are the defending themselves against 3 boys playing football on a beach? Are you telling me all 3 UN schools and 2 hospital were full of missiles?[/p][/quote]If you repeatedly fire rockets using schools , hospitals as launching sites eventually these launching sites are going to get bombed.[/p][/quote]Same old rubbish about schools and hospitals being used to fire rockets blahblahblah! Still no mention about the boys that got killed on the beach? What's the matter, is hard to make up a plausible story to cover over this crime? Is it hard do debunk or refute this is evidence of war crimes? Whilst you sit here defending Israel by regurgitating the same old cheap rhetoric, last weak Israel asked US law makers to help them dodge charges for war crime. This was first revealed by the New York Times but I have included a link from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2718758/Israeli-lead
er-Netanyahu-approac
hed-US-lawmakers-hel
p-avoid-war-crimes-c
harges-Palestinian-c
ivilian-deaths.html. Why are Israel worried about war crimes? They only attack rocket launching sites and missile silos. Israel, themselves, know that they have committed war crimes but yet you mugs are sitting hear defending the indefensible. I bet your feeling pretty stupid now and rightly so!2fly4u

I am not defending anyone I am pointing out after your original comment where u think its co for Hamas to fire fire rockets in to isreal because of there defences but Israel can't fire back. This war shouldn't be happening but has I pointed out if you bomb some other country you've got to expect the same back .

I am not defending anyone I am pointing out after your original comment where u think its co for Hamas to fire fire rockets in to isreal because of there defences but Israel can't fire back. This war shouldn't be happening but has I pointed out if you bomb some other country you've got to expect the same back .davidh66

2fly4u demonstrates, once again, the illiterate gibber of the Pali luvvas.

Usual incoherent babble from the Islamist running dogs. Is there a special school they all go to?

Anyone noticed that Flypie and co never say a word against atrocities, such as the "Islamist State" actions in Iraq, or Boko Haram, or any of the myriad Mus on Mus massacres. Only today 500 Yazidis were executed and put in mass grave. Presume this is ok, is it Flypie?

2fly4u demonstrates, once again, the illiterate gibber of the Pali luvvas.
Usual incoherent babble from the Islamist running dogs. Is there a special school they all go to?
Anyone noticed that Flypie and co never say a word against atrocities, such as the "Islamist State" actions in Iraq, or Boko Haram, or any of the myriad Mus on Mus massacres. Only today 500 Yazidis were executed and put in mass grave. Presume this is ok, is it Flypie?idf fanclub

I'm against how the Chinese are abusing Tibetan human rights. I think we should boycott all Chinese restaurants, goods from China and tourists. Clearly, You cannot generalize, there are two sides to every story, if this is not applied to the Chinese that makes people who boycott Israeli goods anti Semitic.

I'm against how the Chinese are abusing Tibetan human rights. I think we should boycott all Chinese restaurants, goods from China and tourists. Clearly, You cannot generalize, there are two sides to every story, if this is not applied to the Chinese that makes people who boycott Israeli goods anti Semitic.Elstree Eddie

Looking at the main news stories today. A lot of them are about Islamist atrocities and maniacs. And getting worse by the hour.

Cue the usual suspects to say it's all a Zionist/CIA/Democrac
y conspiracy plot to discredit Islam. As they do every single time.

I've obviously forgotten - but can someone remind me of anything positive to come out the Islamist world - wherever it might be?

Say - just in the last 500 years or so.

Looking at the main news stories today. A lot of them are about Islamist atrocities and maniacs. And getting worse by the hour.
Cue the usual suspects to say it's all a Zionist/CIA/Democrac
y conspiracy plot to discredit Islam. As they do every single time.
I've obviously forgotten - but can someone remind me of anything positive to come out the Islamist world - wherever it might be?
Say - just in the last 500 years or so.idf fanclub

To 2fly4U
Nobel Laureate Prizes
Score: Jews have won 191 prizes across all sectors. Muslims have won 10.
191 v 10.
What does that tell you about your Muslim Lands, I would say slightly backward, what do you think?

To 2fly4U
Nobel Laureate Prizes
Score: Jews have won 191 prizes across all sectors. Muslims have won 10.
191 v 10.
What does that tell you about your Muslim Lands, I would say slightly backward, what do you think?LeftLongAgo

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Hey 2fly4u,
How you doing, fancy a game of beach football, I scored a hat-trick last time i played.

Oh, that really upset me. Anyway, how old are you? That comment was just lame!

[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote:
Hey 2fly4u,
How you doing, fancy a game of beach football, I scored a hat-trick last time i played.[/p][/quote]Oh, that really upset me. Anyway, how old are you? That comment was just lame!2fly4u

LeftLongAgo wrote:
To 2fly4U
Nobel Laureate Prizes
Score: Jews have won 191 prizes across all sectors. Muslims have won 10.
191 v 10.
What does that tell you about your Muslim Lands, I would say slightly backward, what do you think?

Totally of topic to what was being discussed, but I will humour even though it’s just to annoy you. I think the Nobel Peace Prize is given to people for politically motivated reasons.
By the way, what happened to our last conversation? Do you concede the point?
What makes you think I am a Muslim and from one of these lands?
Next time stick to the topic because talking about Muslims and Jews just proves you have an axe to grind about wider issues (Islam) and just discredits anything you have to say about Israel and Palestine!

[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote:
To 2fly4U
Nobel Laureate Prizes
Score: Jews have won 191 prizes across all sectors. Muslims have won 10.
191 v 10.
What does that tell you about your Muslim Lands, I would say slightly backward, what do you think?[/p][/quote]Totally of topic to what was being discussed, but I will humour even though it’s just to annoy you. I think the Nobel Peace Prize is given to people for politically motivated reasons.
By the way, what happened to our last conversation? Do you concede the point?
What makes you think I am a Muslim and from one of these lands?
Next time stick to the topic because talking about Muslims and Jews just proves you have an axe to grind about wider issues (Islam) and just discredits anything you have to say about Israel and Palestine!2fly4u

Nice to see your hero Gallybags and his Islamist stooges getting made fools of by the visit to this city by Israelis.

Great initiative. Great idea. Great welcome.

And - just as good - I've seen "Israelis welcome here" stickers going up in shops and restaurants. Best of all when they are put over the "Free Gaza" and Respect gibber.

Long live Israel.

Flypie and co...
Nice to see your hero Gallybags and his Islamist stooges getting made fools of by the visit to this city by Israelis.
Great initiative. Great idea. Great welcome.
And - just as good - I've seen "Israelis welcome here" stickers going up in shops and restaurants. Best of all when they are put over the "Free Gaza" and Respect gibber.
Long live Israel.idf fanclub