Mostly, yes, why wouldn't I? The statement was quite simple - if you're not a producer, you're a consumer. We have more consumers in this country than producers right now. Benefit systems are there for when you fall on hard times - that's why most of us take out life insurance, medical insurance, car insurance, etc. The government system is theoretically there for those who can't help themselves. Of course the system doesn't work nearly as well as it should for various reasons, but surprise surprise, not all those who collect a state pension are just lazy... a discussion for another thread altogether.

Lol, sure you get benifits. You pay for a 5 course meal and then you actually do get two cold slap chips and you get to see that ANC cadre drive past you on the hiway stuffing his face with the food you paid for.

But obviously the guy who takes care of himself and employs people is the problem. Because he didn't contribute for the corruption. If only he paid his share you might have gotten 3 cold slap chips.

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Lol, sure you get benifits. You pay for a 5 course meal and then you actually do get two cold slap chips and you get to see that ANC cadre drive past you on the hiway stuffing his face with the food you paid for.

But obviously the guy who takes care of himself and employs people is the problem. Because he didn't contribute for the corruption. If only he paid his share you might have gotten 3 cold slap chips.

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Lol, sure you get benifits. You pay for a 5 course meal and then you actually do get two cold slap chips and you get to see that ANC cadre drive past you on the hiway stuffing his face with the food you paid for.

If he can't afford to do it legally he shouldn't be doing it. Ones opinion means squat where the law is concerned. Did Jesus preach witholding taxes from Ceasar and Herod because they were corrupt? Matthew 22:21 and Romans 13:1 applies.

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Lol, sure you get benifits. You pay for a 5 course meal and then you actually do get two cold slap chips and you get to see that ANC cadre drive past you on the hiway stuffing his face with the food you paid for.

But obviously the guy who takes care of himself and employs people is the problem. Because he didn't contribute for the corruption. If only he paid his share you might have gotten 3 cold slap chips.

R3.37 of every liter of pertol goes to the feul levy. There's no way to avoid this.

That means I for example when my car gets 6l/100km pay 20c per kilometer that I drive on the roads.
This is quite a good way to make road users pay for the roads as how much petrol or diesel your car use will correlate to the wear on the roads.

Most hiways also have additional tolls. (which I am against as it is double taxation to start of with, and/or completely corrupt like the e-tolls.)

Income tax has nothing to do with building or maintaining roads, but then again neither does the fuel levy. I all gets conveniently thrown into the general fiscal.

I propose we ring-fence the fuel levy and use it only for roads. That should be fair.

Do you mean that the benefit to me is that people who don't contribute get to ride off people like me who do contribute? That is not a benefit, that is a heavy burden.

In fact, it is a burden for which I do not even get the slightest acknowledgement - I get the exact opposite - vilification and hate speech directed against me with impunity, I get called lackadaisical by the president in parliament, there are threats to my property ownership, my safety and ultimately the overall ability to remain in my homeland long term. And yet I must pay, pay, and pay more to keep that system going? Anyone who thinks that's right has rocks in their head.

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R3.37 of every liter of pertol goes to the feul levy. There's no way to avoid this.

That means I for example when my car gets 6l/100km pay 20c per kilometer that I drive on the roads.
This is quite a good way to make road users pay for the roads as how much petrol or diesel your car use will correlate to the wear on the roads.

Most hiways also have additional tolls. (which I am against as it is double taxation to start of with, and/or completely corrupt like the e-tolls.)

Income tax has nothing to do with building or maintaining roads, but then again neither does the fuel levy. I all gets conveniently thrown into the general fiscal.

I propose we ring-fence the fuel levy and use it only for roads. That should be fair.

Honorary Master

R3.37 of every liter of pertol goes to the feul levy. There's no way to avoid this.

That means I for example when my car gets 6l/100km pay 20c per kilometer that I drive on the roads.
This is quite a good way to make road users pay for the roads as how much petrol or diesel your car use will correlate to the wear on the roads.

Most hiways also have additional tolls. (which I am against as it is double taxation to start of with, and/or completely corrupt like the e-tolls.)

Income tax has nothing to do with building or maintaining roads, but then again neither does the fuel levy. I all gets conveniently thrown into the general fiscal.

I propose we ring-fence the fuel levy and use it only for roads. That should be fair.

In fact, it is a burden for which I do not even get the slightest acknowledgement - I get the exact opposite - vilification and hate speech directed against me with impunity, I get called lackadaisical by the president in parliament, there are threats to my property ownership, my safety and ultimately the overall ability to remain in my homeland long term. And yet I must pay, pay, and pay more to keep that system going? Anyone who thinks that's right has rocks in their head.

Whatever your reasons, you highlight the point of contributing. You do realise it's not just your contribution that saves you when you have to go for a half a million or more bypass surgery? It's the contribution of the rest who never needed that surgery. So is your beef with contributing to a government, or to this government in particular?

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Whatever your reasons, you highlight the point of contributing. You do realise it's not just your contribution that saves you when you have to go for a half a million or more bypass surgery? It's the contribution of the rest who never needed that surgery. So is your beef with contributing to a government, or to this government in particular?