Poets such as Milton and Ovid describe the Golden Age as a period of innocence when man abstained from the flesh of the creatures and was “contented with the food that Nature freely gave, men were happy in the fruit of trees, and herbs of earth, nor stained their lips with blood.”

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that something has gone horribly wrong with reality….and we now exist in a brutal, sacrificial world where evil plays the major role.

So what happened to us?

Two Creation stories

In Genesis there are two creation stories. In the first account we read: Gen1:29 “And God said, behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed: to you it shall be for meat: and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw everything he had made, and behold it was very good.”

Vegan world

What is being described here in Gen 1:29 is a vegan world…it is our Source field, the holy mountain of the prophet Isaiah – and the original estate of all soul imbued beings.

“And a serpent came into the garden.”

In the second creation story we read: Gen 1x: 2-3, “And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, and every foul of the air: with all wherewith the ground teemeth, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; as the green herb have I given you all.”

From living on the fruits and nuts of true creation, man suddenly became a carnivorous, violent, flesh eating ghoul. Man’s shift from the angelic to the demonic is called the Fall(See my article Pandora’s Box.)

Religious justification for murdering the creatures

The doctrine of the Christian Church is based on a lie…..and that lie is that animals do not have souls… at the Synod of Macon (585 AD) the Church even debated whether or not women had souls….

In the last two thousand years, the Roman Church and its tentacles of cult and creed have spread all across the world preaching their gospel of division and oppression: my god is better than your god, that women should be chattels and subservient to their husbands – and that animals have no souls.

Here’s a quote from the Catholic apologist Joseph Rickaby:

“The brutes are not created by God. They have no rights. The brutes are made for man, who has the same right over them as he has over plants and stones. He may kill them for food and inflict pain on them for any good or reasonable end, such as the promotion of man’s knowledge, health or even the purpose of recreation. There is no shadow of evil resting on the practice of causing pain to brutes in sport, where the pain is not in the sport itself, but an incidental concomitant of it. Much more in all that condones to the sustenance of man may we give pain to brutes as also in the pursuit of Science. Nor are we bound to any anxious care to make this pain as little as may be. Brutes are things in our regard.” Catholic Dictionary 1897 in an article called Lower Animals.

The above quotation is an example of the spiritual rot that calls itself the ‘Christian World.’ The blatant lie that animals have no souls has become the ‘sanctioned’ justification for the barbarous cruelties that were not only inflicted upon the creatures but upon indigenous peoples… who were also regarded as soulless animals to be hunted, maimed and killed.

Here are the words of Col. John Milton Chivington, a Methodist missionary and priest on the eve of the massacre of Arapaho Indians at Sand Creek:

“Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God’s heaven to kill Indians…Kill, scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.”

Silent testimony

The New Testament is quiet on the subject of cruelty to animals, and I’ve often wondered why Jesus never taught the spiritual importance of being kind to the creatures …I find it strange that a fundamental of compassion is missing from the texts? Perhaps the teachings of the Master were removed…..

Paul – the usurper of the Master’s message

“There has really never been a more monstrous imposition than the imposition of the limitation of Paul’s soul upon the soul of Jesus.” George Bernard Shaw.

The Church does not preach the message of Jesus…. though that is its pretense. Instead it preaches the doctrines of Saul/Paul the self-proclaimed ‘Apostle of the Master’. Paul didn’t arrive on the scene until after the resurrection, and was instantly at odds with the rules set down by Jesus and James, especially when it came to the treatment of animals and the humane diet.

Paul had an unpleasant contempt for animals, and this can be seen in his sarcastic remark to the edict in Deuteronomy xxv v4: “Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox when he treadeth the corn,” with the callous inquiry: “Doth God care for oxen?”

In Philippians 111 v2, he uses the word dog as a term of contempt.

In Romans xiv: 1-2 , Paul really shows his disdain for those who carried their kindness to animals to its logical conclusion… with the words: “Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God’s has accepted him.”

In contrast to Paul’s outburst, we read the following in the Book of Daniel.

Then said Daniel to the steward whom the prince of all the eunuchs had appointed over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, “prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse(herbs) to eat and water to drink.”…So the steward harkened unto them in this matter, and proved them ten days. At the end of the ten days their countenances appeared fairer, and they were fatter in the flesh, than all the youths which did eat of the king’s meat.

Furthermore, modern science accurately demonstrates, time and time again, the nutritional superiority of the vegan diet….the diet that God ordained in Gen 1:29.

Convert or pervert

“It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.” Thomas Paine – The Age of Reason.

What can be said of Paul who oversaw the killing of the Master’s disciples and held sway over the stoning of Stephen? Acts: 7:58. – and who blocked any humanitarian attempts to stop the appalling, and lucrative ‘priestly’ business of trafficking doves and animals for sacrifice in the Temple. Paul we are told was suddenly converted to the teachings of Jesus but instead of being a true follower of the Master, he committed greater acts of devilry and deception. He usurped the teachings of Jesus, argued with his apostles, took over his Church and taught a fear based anti-life agenda.

The Church of Paul

It is clear from Paul’s disparaging attacks on those who abstained from dead flesh that there was a great deal of opposition to his views from the true followers of the Master. The extent to which Paul’s influence has superseded that of Christ and the apostles may be seen from the fact that in the New Testament there are no less than thirteen epistles attributed to Paul. Acts is practically the life of Paul – and his teachings portrayed as if he were the Master.

Paul became the first and foremost theologian of the Church and has remained so ever since. Yet the astonishing fact is that Paul never saw Jesus, and what he knew of the Master’s teachings must have been received from the very apostles whose authority and interpretations he disputed. Any person who thinks that Source or true Creator intended Paul’s influence to override that of Peter and John are accusing Jesus of choosing the wrong disciples. Peter and John were the Master’s most intimate disciples and were relegated to bystander status by the dominating figure of Paul, who calmly says that he is no way inferior to them and has done more for the cause of Christ than any of them. Mark 1v: 34.

Paul, and later the Nicean Council of sun worshippers imposed their will upon the scriptures – they dictated what was written in the texts, distorted or left out the Master’s teachings to fulfil their Luciferian agenda – that was, and is, designed to deceive and spiritually emasculate the masses.

The quiet voice

And so, the quiet and compassionate voice of Jesus was expunged from the scriptures; drowned out by the roaring, self-righteous ego of Paul…the Luciferian AI whose barbaric teachings turned a pro-life religion into a slaughter house.

Was Jesus a vegan?

The stainless truth

The understanding that Jesus was a vegan has been widely held by those who believe he was an Essene. See http://www.essene.com/Bible/BiblicalBasisOfVeganism.html

The early Christian fathers championed the cause of veganism, and they also gave it as their opinion that Jesus, his brother James, the Apostle Peter, Matthew and Thomas were vegans.

John Chrysostom was the author of the Clementine Homilies which dates back to the middle of the second century AD. In it, he writes : “Matthew is said to have been content with seeds and nuts, hard shelled fruits, and vegetables.”St Peter: “I live on bread alone, with olives, and seldom even with pot-herbs; and my dress is what you see, a tunic with a pallium: and having these, I require nothing more. The unnatural eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of devils, with its sacrifices and its impure feasts, through participation in it man becomes a fellow eater with devils.” He called upon his followers to follow a pure and simple diet. “The man who lives for his stomach is as good as dead and those that aim for the highest life eat only pulse and vegetable fruits.”

Clement of Alexander reported: “The apostle Matthew partook of seeds, and nuts, and vegetables, without flesh, and Thomas eateth only bread and salt, and his drink is water from evening unto evening.”

In fact, the evidence reveals that all the early Christians were vegans and it is recorded by Hegesippus that Jesus would not eat the traditional Passover meal, which of course contained meat. Hegesippus got his information about Jesus from ‘The Ascent of James’, a distinctly Essene and anti-Pauline work which also represents James as condemning sacrifices and the sinfulness of killing animals.

Others souls who have shown Christ-like tenderness towards the creatures have often been found among pagans and agnostics: Pythagoras, Plutarch, Porphyry, Tertullian, John Chrysostom, Clement of Alexandria, Buddha, Plato, Ovid, Newton, Milton, Blake, Wesley, Voltaire and Shelley, were all vegetarians.

The Old Testament prophets

There are a number of references in the Old Testament that show quite plainly that the true prophets were opposed to human carnivorism. Isaiah 66 v3 put his views in no uncertain terms:

“For My hand made all these things, Thus all these things came into being,” declares the LORD. “But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word. But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man; he who sacrifices a lamb is like on who breaks a dog’s neck. As they have chosen their own ways, And their soul delights in their abominations. So I will choose their punishments And will bring on them what they dread. Because I called, but no one answered; I spoke, but they did not listen. And they did evil in My sight And chose that in which I did not delight.”

Again Isaiah says of the unrepentant sinners, who are depicted “slaying oxen and killing sheep, eating flesh and drinking wine. “And the Lord of Hosts revealed himself in mine ears, surely this iniquity will not be purged from you till ye die.”

The prophet Amos is equally uncompromising in his condemnation of sacrifice and flesh eating: “I hate, I despise your feasts, and I will take no delight in your solemn assemblies. Yea, though ye offer me your burnt offerings…I will not accept them…But let justice roll down as waters and righteousness as a mighty stream.”

The kindly Hosea had also foreseen the time when a true covenant would be made between man and the creatures. “And in that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground : and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the land, and will make them lie down safely.” Hosea 2 : 18

Isaiah also depicts a glorious future when the world will be fully redeemed and man will no longer kill the creatures for food or any other purpose. Isaiah x1 :6-8

Fish eating

There are a couple of places in the scriptures that portray Jesus eating fish. Both references are found after the Resurrection which immediately begs the question…as an ascended Master why would Jesus need to eat…and why would he even think of eating a de-composing fish corpse?

As a theologian, The Reverent Todd Ferrier has this to say:

In John xx1, where the master is represented as partaking of fish, the fact that the mystical number 153 occurs in the narrative strongly suggests that it was never intended to be taken literally.The only other passage in which the Master is actually represented as eating fish is Luke xxiv: 42. It is significant that some critics find the passage difficult to accept, and think that the insistence on the Master partaking of food is an invention to combat those who held He was not really alive after the crucifixion. That this is the true explanation of the ‘incidents’ insertion is made more probable by the fact that the only occasions on which the Master is represented as a fish-eater were both after the Resurrection. Source (The Herald of the Cross Vol 1by the Reverent Todd Ferrier and These We have Not Loved:P 87 by the Rev Holmes-Gore)

The mystical angle of fishes

There are a lot of references to fish and fishermen in the New Testament, and it is significant that the Greek word for fish: I-ch-th-u-s was applied by the Christians to the Master Jesus himself. The fishes stand for the Piscean Age and was the most ancient symbol of Christ(Piscean Saviour) during the first centuries of persecution when the followers of the Master felt the necessity of caution in representing the subjects of their faith. As Augustine showed the word ICTHUS is composed of the initial letters of the phrase : Iesous Christos Theou Uiou Soter – Jesus Christ son of God, Saviour. (De Civitate Dei, xv111 v23) Augustine goes on to say that: “By name ‘Fish” Christ is to be understood “to have lived without sin in the abyss of our mortality as if in the depths of the waters.”

To sum up

There is a considerable amount of evidence to show that the Master and his disciples were vegans following the diet Gen 1 v29. Flesh eating is the domain of fallen man and therefore any record of the Master eating meat, fish or fowl is a lie.

“The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” 2 Corinthians 4 v4 we read:

The return of Source beings

Veganism is the fastest growing spiritual movement on the planet and has increased in numbers by over 350% in the last ten years.

The movement is being driven by young people waking up to their spiritual connection with all of life. Gen 1 v29.

Going vegan is the best thing any individual can do for the animals, the planet, and their own inner peace.

What are you waiting for? Will you wake up for pity’s sake?

The Piscean Age ended on Dec 21st 2012, and our purpose in this life…at this time…. is to accept the Cosmic Christ and re-connect with Source. Then we will no longer be the fallen.

So don’t take no shit from the corpse eating hive mind…I was vegan in the seventies and it wasn’t easy to be different. The endless mindless questions; having meat flipped on the plate – asked whether my shoes were leather when I was wearing wellingtons … and are the components of the film in my camera tested on animals? and vegetables feel pain. I’ve heard it all over the years.

It’s time to call a bloody spade a spade…. it’s time to quantum jump, shift our awareness and join the fourth dimensional rebellion of the heart.

Much love❤

See the video on my article Blow Your Mind Gas – where the pope declares that Lucifer is the god of this world and Jesus is his son. Catholicism is devil worship.

About the Author

Elva Thompson was born in England in 1947 and moved to Rosebud Lakota reservation in 1987. She is the author of the Heartstar Series; Book One: The Key made of Air, Book Two: The Gates to Pandemonia, and Book Three: Walking In Three Worlds. Her other interests include organic gardening, ancient phonetic languages, sonic sound and their application in the healing arts. She is also a medical intuitive and teaches sonic re-patterning using sound, colour, and essential oils.
Elva Thompson is on Amazon Author Central @ amazon.com/author/heartstar

96 Responses to Was Jesus a Vegan?

Markfarrar

Hi elva ,
It took me 33 years of devout
Carnivorousness to break through
The conditioning . Going veggie acted
As a catalyst , for a process of spiritual
Awakening to begin , replete with temporary
Mental and physical derailments .
25 years later , I can see and feel the profound
Effects giving up flesh ingestion has had on all
Facets of my life and of both my children’s lives .
Eve is vegan and Joe is virtually veggie too !
As for Jesus , I reckon he scoffed the odd
Fish finger sarnie , forgave himself , and walked on…..

ariel az alexander

I stopped eating flesh meat in 1969.
If Jesus, by whatever name, actually existed…I would not expect to consider myself his superior, but I know full well from my own experience that we are capable of miracles.
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Hi Ariel!
I was late budding…..1975 for me.
Just like Mark in the comment below, I was an avid meat eater. It took a nervous breakdown on my Saturn return to wake me up to what I was eating.
Jesus programming has always featured in my life…the role model for the new connected world of Isaiah’s vision …a frequency jump at the end of the Age….Then came the blinder…priests in their dog collars running behind hare hounds. Priests at the meet blessing the hunt.This is not the teaching of the Christ…but the Luciferian Paul. How deep is the hare hole, Ariel?

ariel az alexander

I had the dubious neither benefit nor pleasure of a Roman Catholic ‘it was an education in that I learned A LOT about the R.C. ‘church???”
This led to me passing the R.C. Lower and Higher Religious Certs., which counted as O and A levels, and meant that I knew a lot about the Council of Nicaea by the time I was less thn 18.
It was and is PERFECTLY CLEAR that it’s not called the ‘dog collar’ for nothing……like the ‘tie’ is a NOOSE, you just can’t see the invisible lead as they get taken for ‘walkies.’
I read with interest ‘Jesusneverexisted.com.’ (so they had to invent him)
I mean, the ‘Scriptures’ are FULL of quite normal psychic behaviour, but you have to be one to realise what they’re on about, and the circumstances and context are rather important, leading to whether the subjects are deified or tortured and executed.
Or are even figmumps of AA Milne’s imgination, ghost written for the CIA of the time….
I am personally of the opinion now that the SCAM (‘the Royal Scam’ Steely Dan title) is SO BIG that we have to dump HIS-STORY ENTIRELY and write it for ourselves.
As there is only NOW we have the full ability to do this, and probably the RESPONSIBILITY too…
I have cured enough symptoms by now simply by TALKING to people. You just have to get them a bit closer to what they are ACTUALLY DOING.
‘The SOUL’ is absolutely available RIGHT NOW, but
‘WHAT ARE WE DOING????’ With the experience, gift or burden, according to the programming and how that influences how we currently perceive it.
So the ‘spiritual struggle’ if we wanna call it that, proceedeth second by artificial non-existent second, breath by breath, in the face of the howling gales of simulations, dissimulations and distractions……’myself’ without all the customised add-ons.
Here’s loving you forever.
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ariel az alexander

It says somewhere in the Ramayana, in Sanskrit of course:
‘In the first age, food came SIMPLY BY WISHING.’
The assumption that humanity was ALWAYS ‘blood-crazed,’ is simply that, AN ASSUMPTION.
Even in excavating Mohenjo Daro, they didn’t find any weapons, but they did find sophisticated plumbing…………
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“The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most dishonorable belief against the character of the Divinity, the most destructive to morality and the peace and happiness of man, that ever was propagated since man began to exist. It is better, far better, that we admitted, if it were possible, a thousand devils to roam at large, and to preach publicly the doctrine of devils, if there were any such, than that we permitted one such impostor and monster as Moses, Joshua, Samuel, and the Bible prophets, to come with the pretended word of God in his mouth, and have credit among us.

Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women, and infants, with which the Bible is filled, and the bloody persecutions and tortures unto death, and religious wars, that since that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes- whence rose they but from this impious thing called revealed religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to man? The lies of the Bible have been the cause of the one, and the lies of the Testament of the other.

Ken

Thank you for doing the research on what Jesus ate, Elva. It’s difficult to find real answers to this. I hope your readers understand that consuming dairy products and eggs is every bit as cruel and deadly to the animals, as well as unhealthy for us, as “meat”. As someone once said, “you’re not a vegetarian if you’re not vegan”.

Much love and thank you, Ken.
I could never understand why there was so little information on the Master’s teachings about animals in the NT when the Old Testament is full of Isaiah’s, Amos, Hosea and even Daniels rantings about a vegan lifestyle. Now the truth is out…Paul usurped and distorted the teachings of Jesus and what we are taught is Pauline doctrine..a hateful and anti life agenda.
I agree with you about dairy and eggs and hopefully vegetarians will transition into vegans…animal food of any kind is the food of the fallen.❤️

“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

Mick

The Bible is a quagmire to get involved in and start quoting. Both Steiner and Bailey insisted on the KJ1 version as the most authentic. But that was at a time when both the Jehovahs and the Mormons were pushing their updates with much success. King James commissioned his ‘official’ version through a committee, and with Francis Bacon as overall consultant. The Bible cannot be divorced from Qabala, just as Jesus cannot be divorced from JHVH. Much of it is a plethora of cognitive dissonance, and the Jews are certainly not what they claim or seem. Saying that, neither is anything.

One could say a view of Jesus is as folk hero for the mammalian line, the angelic soul energy of the human species. The Hive of the Ahrimanic AI, Digital, mechanistic soulless design is insect.

The Fish is a completely different matter – think Dogon, Annedoti, the Quinotaur and Oannes for starters.

The link and rivalry between Jesus and John; Jacob and Esau; Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal.

The Merovingians, the Templars, the Rosicrucians – The Empire (within an Empire).

The Rose on the Cross; the Blood on the Stone.

There is so much, like Qliphotic Snakes and Jacob’s Ladders, and most of it is an invented shadow of a hidden reality.

ariel az alexander

Quiet riot.
Leonardo DV and Mick (the Angel) knew it well symbolnevermindthe boolocksally……even ET has given me the distinct impression that she is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that we are not, in fact, actually SEPARATE, no matter (hahahaha) how strong the illusion.
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ariel az alexander

I guess we’re in ‘funny you should mention that’ land, although my psychic viewing of the picture as I wrote the comment was exactly that except earlier in the back in the day…..
You know you can get psychically in touch, or at least be aware of the connection(s) any time.
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Jenny

Oh err.. Slade.. well it just seems to get worse..father excessmass, or was it the pied piper, on a sleighmobile with loud speakers and flashing lights, driving through the town last night, where I’m temporary residing at present.
Was Jesus a vegan ? Good one Elva, well I’m sure he didn’t eat turkey, mushrooms maybe.
Magdalene ? That’s another story, storey ?
Much love X

Much love, Jenny.❤️
After Mick posted the link to Slade I went and watched the video. I do remember them albeit vaguely…just a lot of noise. Meanwhile Claus alias Satan is making his rounds on sleigh-mobiles with loud speakers and flashing lights….merry blood-fest to all!

Mick

The Earth is not a globe, it is a petri dish, a mother board, a nailing board, a crucifix.

Originally we were few, guardians and protectors of Life, Watchers.
Now we are many, cattle. And happy to be so, for 4/5ths of the population. Our lives revolve around consuming for the sake of consuming, and thus we are ourselves consumed.

We have a responsibility, yet we would rather gorge ourselves on sensations of the crudest kind. It does not mean we are inherently bad, just misguided, with the most dire of consequences.

We are run by thieves and robber barons, the soulless who are upheld by angels and demons, which are nothing more than spiritual junkies, parasites.

ariel az alexander

Of course it’s HELL…..as anyone actually still paying attention ………
after they’ve been sent through the primary/secondary/tertiary? educational wringer and grinders, who is still, ornery, curious, stubborn and strong enough to at least partially escape the initial heavy programming, and who is paying the slightest bit of attention, notices.
The next bit is:
Can they / WE resist the various bribes and outright BLACKMAIL offers that are ‘difficult to refuse?’
Can we DECIDE anything……???
As in ‘are we (claiming to be ‘INNOCENT????’) BYSTANDERS or ‘active participants in this ‘drama???’
Who is to tell us how to act or behave in this…..the awesome question of ‘are we prepared to, should we ‘take responsibility,’ and is this even POSSIBLE…..
well……
If you haven’t sussed it by now, the best of Brishit luck to you……
ummmm….’what’s your price?’
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PS …Don’t believe the bullshit about technology…..all that money and children’s blood and they can only live 10 or so years longer decrepit in wheelchairs….no wonder they are so fucking angry……look at the fucking evidence….take psychedelics and have a good look at the issues……money CANNOT buy what we have, if we allow ourselves to have it………..
The machines are a FLAT OUT admission and STATEMENT that they CANNOT ACCESS the latent and native powers and abilities of a ‘true human,’ and only seek to distract, entrain, cowe, and corrupt those who are still capable……………….like they did to the tribes………and the wheel turns.

You’ve hit the nail on the head there, Ariel.
You ask – “can we decide anything?”
I guess that depends on who or what is doing the thinking. AI or heart❤️. We decide not to kill and eat the creatures because we recognise that everything on the ‘outside’ so to speak is ‘us’ projected out because of our duality. Many are so self absorbed they can’t see the wood for the ‘bloody’ trees and keep sacrificing self on the altar of appetite and materialism.

The only entrapment is in the mind! Some vegetables depend upon being eaten for their survival…think of a tomato or berries…I’m sure they don’t scream! I can’t think of any animal that depends on being eaten for its survival.

ariel az alexander

Plants are ABUNDANCE PERSONIFIED. Some common ‘weeds’ I eat produce 30000 seeds per plant.
Dandelions in the right circumstance will produce 140 MILLION seeds per hectare which the wind can carry for miles.
They completely take over if you let them. In any case they are a ‘group entity,’ we can even call it a soul. Some flowering plants whose roots are not interconnected will DIE if you pick one of their small group…..they told me NOT to so I didn’t, but someone else did.
Fungi have millions of spores…etc etc. The plant kingdom WILL allow you to communicate with it.
Animals, sure….they scream and bite/fight, so you KNOW.
The whole ENTITY is alive and conscious.

Mick

The tribes were already corrupted and held enslaved. Let go the noble savage, ecological bullshit – it didn’t exist. Each culture and age offers the pretence of choice, or something far away to whine about. Which reflection do you idealise in preference to our own. The further away in non existent time the better.

As you say, machine is entropy – but we love it! Don’t.

And the drugs don’t work no more, not like they used to anyhow.

Escape? Perhaps, when we’re shat out of the arse of the Kadmon as ‘awakened ones’.

Mick

The tribes were animals moving with their food source….they had no illusions of grandeur.

Indeed, as were we (or a part of what we are now) – hence our spirit animal clans.

Pick up on your words ‘food source’. That has never changed.

To be crude: feed and breed.

But then there are subtler qualities being developed, produced. Finer flavours and scents.
It needs the creation of time to mature, a sensitivity to develop fully. A Love.
Oh! and such variety! The 5 main Kingdoms spliced further and further – such design!

Here come the solar lords – inheritors or conquerors?
Hang on!!!!! Where is the profit!? Some adjustments need to be made.
Efficiency of production must be increased – but production of what and for whom?

Oh! We’ve just Fell, what a bugger – literally.

Sadly, the Makers Fell as well, joining their (self) creation – but, oh, what is produced now?

ariel az alexander

Mick

I think it must be remembered that there is no real separation between the physical world and what we tend to term the spirit world. We are indoctrinated to ignore its continual presence and influence, and to think that it doesn’t really exist; or if it does, that it doesn’t really matter or affect us; or that we affect it. The view that we feed it, are an energy source for it, is very old. Hence the necessity of sacrifice. Very few of our thoughts are completely our own, neither are our emotions. We always work in tandem with at least one spirit entity. One could say our incarnated being is a conglomeration of such entities/energies. Thus, a mini-multiverse, though we may consider it unified. Everything here is but a reflection of that there. So, if there is corruption here, then there is corruption there – depending on your viewpoint. Also, depending which spirit entities you are attached to, or are attached to you. Very many people, consciously or through familial education, attach themselves to a saviour figure – which often involves a separation between the corporeal and the incorporeal. In a reality, there is no such separation, nor will there ever be. Thus, it is better to change within rather than without, as change without will manifest as within begins to transform. Action will follow thought, as matter will follow spirit.

Be more this coming year, be more Walk than Talk. There is so much talk.

Mick!🙂 Do you remember Jaime Lee from ‘a plane truth’ that used to comment about flat earth on Zen’s site? This is his latest video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLDo06aef8 I found the information on the solar gods fascinating. He quotes from Thomas Paine’s book: The Age of Reason.

Mick

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.” ― Haruki Murakami, What I Talk About When I Talk About Running

Also,

Nyd (the fire within the ice): do not suffer over your suffering.

double and:

Love to the point where your soul unhinges itself into an eternity of madness,
Love to the point where light is driven into darkness,
Love so grandly and so deeply that the mere thoughts of your lover makes the Angels weep at the vibration of such brutal tenderness.

Love, till your wilderness makes all things wild
Love, till your freedom makes all things free
Love, till you make the demon inside you drop to his very knees and proclaim “I believe”.

‘But surely the Wise were under the impression that Morgoth was unmade, had become of the Void himself, was no more.’
We did indeed hope that the Valar had utterly vanquished Morgoth and banished him forever. But many of us believe that Morgoth was made with the earth and cannot be finally destroyed while it lasts. His song is one of the songs of creation, and it is part of all that is and will be.’

Mick

As a last offering for 2nite, I want to visit a most interesting and creative period – the Later Renaissance (1550 t0 1700). During this period, amongst other things, the modern Qabala was formulated and disseminated, the solar system was designed (sorry, discovered) and KJ1 Bible committee writ and published. Art reached an unprecedented peak, ancient classics were unearthed, translated and copied (the originals mysteriously disappearing or perishing) and the newly globed Earth mapped.

As an aside, I always found it curious that the stormtroopers in Star Wars wore full body armour, reminiscent of field plate used from around 1485 until more powerful firearms made it obsolete. According to some people that particular sci-fi yarn was based on the so-called Orion Wars – a galactic conflict between Dracos and Humans. Perhaps, perhaps not.

Below is a link to a painting by Tintoretto, called The Brazen Serpent:

So, ala Pierre Sabak, are we talking 2 Kingdom strains here? Esau, allegedly, gave Jacob his inheritance as first-born for a bowl of soup. Curiously, symbols for both Christ and Satan are interchangeable. As well as Jesus, the 2 main Marys are linked to the Fish, another Kingdom.

Mick

Just as many people talk of ‘the End Times’, and there have been many of those (cycles within cycles), there is an inevitability regarding the process/programme. It is, of course, Game Play (Cosmic and Earthly Lila) and we sugar it as much as we can to make it more palatable.

From Steiner’s lecture ‘Lucifer, Ahriman and the Responsibility of Man’:
Just as there was an incarnation of Lucifer in the flesh and an incarnation of Christ in the flesh, so, before only a part of the third millennium of the post-Christian era has elapsed, there will be, in the West, an actual incarnation of Ahriman: Ahriman in the flesh. Humanity on earth cannot escape this incarnation of Ahriman. It will come inevitably. But what matters is that people shall find the right vantage point from which to confront it.

This, of course, is the much vaunted Anti-Christ. A manifestation of Shiva or, if one prefers, Pan embodying the extreme forces of matter.

Great information, Mick. It could be said that Jesus and Lucifer are polar opposites…manifestations of the same force. And just as Jesus came in the flesh at the beginning of the Age of Pisces….in Steiner’s words: “Humanity on earth cannot escape this incarnation of Ahriman.
It will come inevitably. But what matters is that people shall find the right vantage point from which to confront it.”

Mick

Of course, I have cherry-picked. Steiner uses Sorath as the outer sun, the sun of wrath, while Christ is the indigo/violet inner sun.

Jesus-Zeus-Poseidon-Shiva-Pan-Dionysus-John the Baptist-Oannes-Jesus.
Or choose the combination you prefer.
It’s all very Ouroboric.
JTB being the summer solstice and Jesus the winter solstice, 2 points on the same wheel.

Ahriman is the Machine. Welcome!
Or nowadays, the digital; and combined with Lucifer, the virtual.
“Ahriman has made a kind of pact with Lucifer, the import of which may be expressed in the following way. Ahriman, speaking to Lucifer, says: “I, Ahriman, find it advantageous to make use of ‘preserving jars.’” Steiner has different ideas with that quote, but it makes me think of soul containers.

Steiner’s views on the sun are very interesting. In sungazing if you de-focus your eyes, the indigo or blue sun appears. But you know what…the whole narrative we have been fed about our reality is a lie and nothing is what it appears to be. Lucifer and Jesus are just the embodiment of the predator/prey – reptile/mammal programme. The rest is just window dressing.

Mick! In a duality field, insects are both positive and negative. Personally, I find the insect kingdom fascinating…. they operate on all frequencies within the dimension. They are a group mind and can be communicated with. I have an affinity with wasps and hornets…it’s all about frequency and on what level the communication takes place. For me, this reality is very simple. It is a sea of polarity….the trick is to stay in emotional neutral… not to give off a negative or positive charge…unless you want to enter the game.
I’d like to thank yourself, Ariel and Mark for being a beam of sanity in a dark, insane whirled. I hope that some of our readers will find the courage to join the conversation and express their point of view.

Mick

Well, we are each a lekythos, aren’t we? With our history painted on the outside. The genie in the bottle, ghost in the machine. The attempt is to change one jar for another, a corrupted use of crystal technology. A kind of reverse alchemy, taking us deeper into matter. The world of the Qlipoth. Ahriman leads to extreme solidification, coagula.

The far pole of Lucifer ends in dissolution, solve.

The ego, steward of the soul, is meant to hold the centre and forge the middle path.

Lovecraft again: “The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. But some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.’ H.P.Lovecraft – The Call of Cthulhu.”

I think I went mad a long time ago!😉 but will not flee….

ariel az alexander

Nah….it’s a ‘set-up,’ run by drama queens for drama queens….same wavelength…resonant reverberations. The ‘Church’ has been setting the scene for millenia on this one……repent for 500 – 1000 etc. etc. Repent ……..Repent……Repent…….there have probcertainly been other versions but the same strokes, as archetypal scripts always earn top dollar at the box office.
Nominally a ‘Christian’ country let alone Europe…we have the script as background……and we don’t have to believe or buy into any of it…..wannabe with GW boyBush and be ‘with us or with the terrorists?’
What background thoughtforms they have created???????
In my view it’s best to keep an open mind and don’t neglect the dancing lessons, for flexibility’s sake.
It’s already and definitely going to be interesting……..but it’s PARAMOUNT to have a clear view on where we ACTUALLY STAND in all this, so we can if possible avoid getting bogged down in ‘tragedy or triviality, and whatever else we need to lose, keep our sense of humour.

Markfarrar

elva has a firm grip
On her sense of humour…..
ariel ,Mick and me…
Beams of sanity !???
Mad as that old March hare ,
We wouldn’t want her any other way !
You lot are so wonderful and weird ,
You obviously love what you do and
That’s all that matters now…..
I see us as Russian dolls . With every doll
That is revealed within ,we are known
And know who we are . First we know ,
Then we know that we know …
Then we know that we know that we know…
Thank you for helping me shed some skins .
I love this puzzle , this dream , this life ,
Its polarity ,its paradox ,its perils and pitfalls
And all of its perfect imperfection . Loving it all
For what it all is , is really all I can do
And it’s enough…no stake in the outcome …ride on !

Mick

“It finally comes to this — although people will not admit it — that in ordinary life nothing in the way of knowledge is considered really useful unless it helps to put food in the mouth!
In this connection people today have succumbed to a strange fallacy. They do not believe that the spirit can be eaten, and yet the very ones who say this, do eat the spirit! Although they may refuse to accept anything spiritual, nevertheless with every morsel that passes through the mouth into the stomach they are devouring the spiritual, but dispatching it along a path other than the path which leads to the real well-being of mankind.
I believe that many Europeans think it is to the credit of their civilization to be able to say: We are not cannibals! But these Europeans and their American affinities are, none the less, devourers of soul and spirit! The soulless devouring of material food leads to the side-tracking of the spirit. It is difficult to say these things today, for in the light of such knowledge just think what would have to be said of a large section of modern culture! To keep people in the state of being devourers of the soul and spirit is one of Ahriman’s impulses in preparation for his incarnation. To the extent to which people can be roused into conducting their affairs not for material ends alone and into regarding a free and independent spiritual life, equally with economic life, as an integral part of the social organism — to that same extent Ahriman’s incarnation will be awaited with an attitude worthy of humanity.”

There is an irony in that a large proportion of modern magickal and mystical practices are entirely Luciferic, especially the cloying sugary ones (at least on the outside).

Mick

“At the time of the Mystery of Golgotha and for a few centuries’ afterward, a conception of the real Christ was still possible, because accounts handed down by tradition could be understood with the help of the pagan, luciferic wisdom. This wisdom has now disappeared, and what sects and denominations find in the Gospels does not lead people to the real Christ for whom we seek through spiritual science, but to an illusory picture, at most to a sublimated hallucination of Christ.”

Please note, Elva, I am not promoting Steiner. But his words are interesting, at least for me (and hopefully for others who may visit here).

The Lord of the Dance by Sidney Carter.
Your holy hearsay is no evidence. Give me the good news in the present tense.
What happened nineteen hundred years ago may not have happened, who am I to know?
The living truth is what I long to see – I cannot lean upon what used to be.
So shut the Bible up and show me how – The Christ you talk about is living now.

Mick

“In a certain sense this has actually dawned on the theologians and many of them are now describing Paul’s experience on the way to Damascus as a “vision.” They have come to the point of realizing that their way of studying the Gospels can lead only to a vision, to hallucination. I am not saying that this vision is false or untrue, but that it is merely an inner experience, unconnected with the reality of the Christ being. I do not use the word “illusion” with the side-implication of falsity, but I wish only to stress that the Christ Being is here a subjective, inner experience, of the same character as hallucination. If people could be brought to a standstill at this point, not pressing on to the real Christ but contenting themselves with a hallucination of Christ, Ahriman’s aims would be immeasurably furthered.”

All the posts above are offered only for consideration, and nothing more.

ariel az alexander

Sod Christ. DO IT YOURSELF.
I mean, I like ‘the idea of,’ too, (a little bit) but so what.
We cracked the ‘it’s ALL PROPAGANDA’, which thankfully returns us to the present moment
We have to get a clear picture of what we are REALLY DOING…..what fears, limitations, doubts we are harbouring but ignoring……what is the impedance of our speaker.?…embrace the impudence
and LIVE THE CHANGE full throttle…………………
it’s always gonna be ‘te morturi salutamus.’ (OR ELSE) I mean
I died twice already………………………
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Mick

Lucifer can be considered the lady-boy of light. His energy is predominantly female. Hence his androgynous beauty. Many portraits of Jesus emanate such a feminine quality. Lucifer is the energy of the trans-gender movement, which are part of the Mysteries of Kybele/Freya. The Galli/Seidberendr (magical womb) were castrates – male women, and feared as sorcerers. Odin as a solar deity is luciferic, 2 of his names being ‘castrate’ and ‘bitch’. From the Norse poet Hialti Skeggjason:

“I despise the gods
and Freya is a bitch
For Odin and Freya, both
the likes of bitches I hold”

Tolkien’s Melkor is Lucifer (he becomes Ahriman when transformed into Morgoth after his ‘Fall’) as he conquers the Sun (Arien) through rape.

In contradiction, the sun is the erect phallus (symbolised by the Abraxian cock crowing at dawn), while also the lion-headed serpent (helium/hydrogen) Ialdabaoth.

Pan ‘Panikos’ is the sun at full power – the Lord of the Green and the Gold, avatars being Gwalchmai, Cuchullain and Kozumi Okami to name but a few.

A gentler aspect would be Avalokiteshvara.

All involve sex magick.

Beware the Light!? – in the bioluminescent creatures of nature light is used to attract a mate, lie/deceive to capture prey and to hide.

Mick

Insects – like fungi, like bacteria, are a Foundation Kingdom. No fish, birds, reptiles or mammals without them. The most positive hive mind is the termite – what a wonder of nature they are, and vegetarian. Bees are sacred, wasps are the warriors. Ants could dominate the world. Them!
The lacewing is most beautiful, the dragonfly is indeed a dragon. And the woodlouse, what a friendly and humble creature. But never, ever trust an assassin bug.
Hu(wo)manity is the crossroads of both time and existence. Hence the crucifixion. Many shamans had antwives, waspwives, termitewives and beewives.
Without insects there would be no flowers, grasses or trees. The Earth would be barren.
It is what the Powers, Thrones and Dominions do with the Code that makes the difference.
And how we respond to the changes. But we are bound in a bond.

I don’t think we wanted to play…rather we were forced to compete until the game became normality…what choice do we have? We are blank computer screens when we arrive just waiting to be programmed….and programmed we are with a monstrous deception.
Game over…we are waking up. (Reaches for the whiskey) lol!

ariel az alexander

But we were and are ‘ALIVE’ although a – lie – ve, suggests falsehood AND vegeteria…..
I think we are GETTING IT…I mean I’ve been doing ‘medical miracles’ even ‘death’ since Sept 1974……..no mattter how confused I have been in so many areas……..
So the programming is obviously ‘legal,’ as is and are ANY SKILLFUL MEANS we are prepared to use……
but whadda ya mean by ‘positive action’ Mick?
LOVE IT TO DEATH………….
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ariel az alexander

ariel az alexander

We ‘should’ put energy into simultaneous communication/awareness….I tested it out on Zenoldsite to see if it could be done on remote (because the comments section gave sufficient energyattention focus) and the feedback was that it DEFINITELY WORKED….
we KNOW what a certain group of us are experiencing/thinking but it’s largely UNCONSCIOUS, although not particularly in my case, as I’ve been working on and with this longtime well 30 years anyway…….the results are………………………………………teleholopathic.
And unsurveillable except to people on right frequency.
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Mick! Have you watched Nature by Numbers’ on you tube? I’m sure you have. Lucifer’s creation is geometric…the dna codes produce the lekythos of each species in this dense physical vibration. These vessels whether furred, feathered, scaled or covered in skin are traps for true Creator Source. The monsters that haunt our dreams…and the reptoid shape shifters that are our governments…are our handlers…the farm managers of our misery. This reality belongs to them…and will never change. It’s time to shift in our perception…move our assemblage point.

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