a lot of it has to deal with the teams those guys were drafted to, Cle for instance has 2 of those guys.

Oh so what your trying to say is that its better to draft a receiver that fits into your scheme rather than by the ranking of an analyst whom don't even watch coaches film. Yup thats right, they have to watch the games the same way we do.

nobody fits into the Browns scheme....teams without a decent QB will have WR struggles

The evidence is already there that shows receivers who come onto teams with top QB's make near immediate impacts and sustain the production.

Originally posted by strickac:
If Moss stays focused and plays this year, AJ shouldn't see much action this year. Mario probably moves to the slot on 3 WR sets.

He's a good pick if Moss gets cut or there's an injury to either Moss, Crabs or Mario. Otherwise, I don't really see him getting on the field often. Next year though, Moss will probably move on and AJ will have a year of experience under his belt.

Ya that's exactly why they brought in 3 new recievers. I think Brett Swain was our 3rd reciever in some games last year so I have no problem with loading up at that position even if our first rounder doesn't play a lot this year.

Originally posted by strickac:
If Moss stays focused and plays this year, AJ shouldn't see much action this year. Mario probably moves to the slot on 3 WR sets.

He's a good pick if Moss gets cut or there's an injury to either Moss, Crabs or Mario. Otherwise, I don't really see him getting on the field often. Next year though, Moss will probably move on and AJ will have a year of experience under his belt.

Ya that's exactly why they brought in 3 new recievers. I think Brett Swain was our 3rd reciever in some games last year so I have no problem with loading up at that position even if our first rounder doesn't play a lot this year.

I don't think AJ will be sitting on the bench often. He's a polished 1st round WR. He will get substantial playing time so he's fully developed for 2013 if our short term contracted receivers don't come back. It would not be a good idea to "redshirt" AJ and have him partially ready for 2013. You want him partially ready for 2012 and fully ready for 2013.

Also, Harbaugh has not shown to sit rookies. If they are ready, they will play a key role in the offense.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I don't think AJ will be sitting on the bench often. He's a polished 1st round WR. He will get substantial playing time so he's fully developed for 2013 if our short term contracted receivers don't come back. It would not be a good idea to "redshirt" AJ and have him partially ready for 2013. You want him partially ready for 2012 and fully ready for 2013.

Also, Harbaugh has not shown to sit rookies. If they are ready, they will play a key role in the offense.

I'm all for him playing this year, but right now he's the 4th best reciever on the team unless he shows something. I definitely say let him get in some games and show off that speed and those hands. Now we won't just be in the jumbo two tight end package a lot. We can go 4 wide reciever which is something that was hard to do with the injuries last year. If anyone can make all the offensive weapons work together it's our coach. I'm really excited about the whole team. Outside of QB we are the most talented team in the league with only a spot or two open for competition. We all know Alex thrived in the shot gun when Martz put him there after we had tanked the beginning of the season that year. More shotgun this year and Alex should throw more touchdowns and be comfortable. A lot of guys he can throw to now.

Originally posted by Joecool:
The evidence is already there that shows receivers who come onto teams with top QB's make near immediate impacts and sustain the production.

Where is the evidence? and for every WR who comes onto the scene and makes an impact, where are his surrounding WR? How many WR for that team got cut, how many are on the practice squad, how many were on the practice squad and got cut. Why is the number 3 not producing.

I figure a team could bring in as many as 3 to 5 new WR each season, what percentage are the ones you are talking about? What other factors could be their cause? Why havn't you asked any of these questions before coming up with this grand generalization.

Originally posted by Joecool:
The evidence is already there that shows receivers who come onto teams with top QB's make near immediate impacts and sustain the production.

Where is the evidence? and for every WR who comes onto the scene and makes an impact, where are his surrounding WR? How many WR for that team got cut, how many are on the practice squad, how many were on the practice squad and got cut. Why is the number 3 not producing.

I figure a team could bring in as many as 3 to 5 new WR each season, what percentage are the ones you are talking about? What other factors could be their cause? Why havn't you asked any of these questions before coming up with this grand generalization.

"I think they're looking to put him in the slot a little bit more in San Francisco," QB Scheelhaase said. "We would have loved to do that a lot, but when we put him in the slot it was easier for teams to double-team him. If you put him outside, you at least give him a chance to get in more one-on-ones and get him away from a lot of people.

"When we put him in the slot, there would be a lot of times where there would be a linebacker there and a safety with help coming from everywhere it seemed like. That's something he won't have to deal with as much with as many great receivers as they have in San Francisco."

* Jenkins had 90 catches as a senior. The Illini's second-leading receiver had 26. The disparity had something to do with the trust Scheelhaase had in Jenkins, an exacting route-runner.

"He's fast guy for sure, but he's a guy that runs great routes," Scheelhaase said. "He's real precise. From a quarterback standpoint, he runs the same route every time and he's in the same spot every time. It makes it easy on you. I was able to develop a rhythm with him. I was just confident he was going to make plays. And he ended up doing that quite a bit for us."

* One of Jenkins' best routes, Scheelhaase said, was a drag across the middle. Jenkins excelled because of his quickness and fearlessness.

"He's good at sticking linebackers, making them think he's going to do something else and either going over or under them," Scheelhaase said. "He's not afraid. That's the first thing you notice when you see him running that many of those routes. Linebackers knew he'd be coming across middle and he was never afraid to go there. He made a lot of plays in that area."

* In the first six games of his senior year, Jenkins had 46 catches for 815 yards and seven touchdowns. In his final seven games, he had 44 catches for 453 yards and one touchdown.

Zook said the drop-off had something to do with the extra attention Jenkins began to receive. He also said Jenkins would have benefited from better quarterback play.

"Nathan, as much as I love him like a son, we didn't get him the ball," Zook said. "Nathan is more a running-type quarterback than he is a throwing-type quarterback. We didn't do as good a job of getting A.J. the football later in the year."

Lastly, here is what Jenkin's previous coach at Illinois, Petrino says:
Petrino, who arrived at Illinois after Jenkins' 10-catch sophomore season, quickly recognized he had NFL potential. As the Falcons receivers coach in 2007, Petrino worked with Roddy White, who had the first of five straight 1,000 yard seasons.

"(A.J.) has great hands, number one," Petrino said. "Then you just start out on the JUGS machine and you're shooting him balls, he has nice, soft hands. He can catch balls at all different angles and he catches the ball away from his body all the time. He has great speed and then he has the ability to sink his hips and get in and out of breaks. He really has all the traits that you look for in a great receiver."

I think AJ could contribute now but I can see why him and James have been in-active for these games. How many teams can say they don't need their 1st and 2nd round picks? These guys were drafted for the future. I could see them getting action later in the season. Maybe Miami at home or against the Cards at home the last game if there is nothing to gain. And as for them being in-active I don't think it has anything to do with them as much as it does how good and deep our team is. I think we have the best talent from top to bottom in the NFL. With that being said I see both playing a big role next year. If Moss and Ginn are gone AJ is the #3 or 4 wr after Crabtree, Manningham, then AJ/Kyle. James would be the #3 RB if Jacobs isn't back. Like I said I think both could contribute now but we have the luxury of letting them sit back and learn. Take the pressure off of making a rookie carry the team. They can work on those mental issues, ball security, etc. They can come in fresh next year knowing the playbook and being ready mentally to handle everything.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
I think AJ could contribute now but I can see why him and James have been in-active for these games. How many teams can say they don't need their 1st and 2nd round picks? These guys were drafted for the future. I could see them getting action later in the season. Maybe Miami at home or against the Cards at home the last game if there is nothing to gain. And as for them being in-active I don't think it has anything to do with them as much as it does how good and deep our team is. I think we have the best talent from top to bottom in the NFL. With that being said I see both playing a big role next year. If Moss and Ginn are gone AJ is the #3 or 4 wr after Crabtree, Manningham, then AJ/Kyle. James would be the #3 RB if Jacobs isn't back. Like I said I think both could contribute now but we have the luxury of letting them sit back and learn. Take the pressure off of making a rookie carry the team. They can work on those mental issues, ball security, etc. They can come in fresh next year knowing the playbook and being ready mentally to handle everything.

both just need to bulk up

they both have al the tools to be great players especialy aj jenkins who has everything you look for

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