Registering a Russian household name in the SCA

I believe the correct formation of a Russian household name to be Dom, Doma, or Domu followed by a family name. I believe that name should be patronimic name,

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, Apr 12, 2013

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I believe the correct formation of a Russian household name to be Dom, Doma, or Domu followed by a family name. I believe that name should be patronimic name, but also believe this could be a patronimic locative byname as described at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/toprus.html

The SCA College of Arms has a published Precedent saying “[Household name Dom Kazimira] This submission was documented as the Russian translation of the phrase House of Kazimir. However, no evidence was presented that Dom was a term used to describe a group of people in period Russia. In addition, no evidence was presented as to how household names in Russian might be formed from personal names; it is unclear whether they would use the given name, a patronymic form, a byname, or some other kind of element. Barring such evidence, this household name cannot be registered.”

I have found references in Russian to:
дома Романовых (Dom Romanov) as early as 1834

And in Ukranian to:
дому; Давида (House of David[of Nazareth]) -1674
Also in Ukranian:
сівши на царственому своєму престолі у Києві, почав про себе роздумувати, і як мудрий будівник дому свого міркувати, як би його дванадцятеро синів по смерті батьковій в мирі і нерушимій братській любові перебували, не маючи міжусобних незгод і кровопролить через княжіння. (sitting on his throne in the royal Kiev began to reflect on themselves, and as a wise builder of his house speculate as to his twelve sons after the death of his father in peace and brotherly love were unmoved, having internecine slaughters and disagreements over reign.)

I have several bible passages which refernce "house of ____". The Ostrog Bible was the first printed Russian Bible and was printed in 1580. There are apparently digitized versions of it, but I haven't been able to locate one yet. I'm hoping when I do find one the name will be in the "dom-name" format.

If anyone else can help and pitch in some info, research, or insite I'd really appreciate it.

-Halbrust

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Lisa Kies

Greetings from Sofya, Perfect timing. I was cleaning this morning and about to throw away a duplicate copy of the dom pages from Sreznevskii (Sreznevskij,

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, Apr 13, 2013

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Greetings from Sofya,

Perfect timing. I was cleaning this morning and about to throw away a
duplicate copy of the "dom" pages from Sreznevskii (Sreznevskij, I.I.
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for a Dictionary of the old-Russian Language according to written
memorials.] The Department of Russian Language and Literature, Imperial
Academy of Science. 1893-1912.)

Under #3 and #4, we have multiple period quotes listed, including:
"i verova sam" i dom" iego ves' ", from the Ostromirov Gospel (yr 1056-57)
John 4:53 (Transl: and he himself believed and all his house).

"(Iosif") ot" domou i ochestva D~vdova", *ibid*, Luke 1:27 (from the house
and lineage of David).

>
> I have several bible passages which refernce "house of ____". The Ostrog
> Bible was the first printed Russian Bible and was printed in 1580. There
> are apparently digitized versions of it, but I haven't been able to locate
> one yet. I'm hoping when I do find one the name will be in the "dom-name"
> format.
>
> If anyone else can help and pitch in some info, research, or insite I'd
> really appreciate it.
>
> -Halbrust
>
>
Electronic copies of the relevant pages can be provided for submission
purposes.

> Wow! What luck for me, thank you.
>
> Do you have images of the originals? Or just transcriptions?
>
> How can I get whatever you have?
>
> -Halbrust
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
>
> > Greetings from Sofya,
> >
> > Perfect timing. I was cleaning this morning and about to throw away a
> > duplicate copy of the "dom" pages from Sreznevskii (Sreznevskij, I.I.
> * [Materials
> > for a Dictionary of the old-Russian Language according to written
> > memorials.] The Department of Russian Language and Literature, Imperial
> > Academy of Science. 1893-1912.)
>

You'll need the title page, page 699-700 (highlighting the key passages -
toward the bottom of the second column), and page 32 of the Ukazatel'
Sokrashchenij at the end of the PDF (for the date of the original gospel
source).

> Wow! What luck for me, thank you.
>
> Do you have images of the originals? Or just transcriptions?
>
> How can I get whatever you have?
>
> -Halbrust
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
>
> > Greetings from Sofya,
> >
> > Perfect timing. I was cleaning this morning and about to throw away a
> > duplicate copy of the "dom" pages from Sreznevskii (Sreznevskij, I.I.
> * [Materials
> > for a Dictionary of the old-Russian Language according to written
> > memorials.] The Department of Russian Language and Literature, Imperial
> > Academy of Science. 1893-1912.)
>

You'll need the title page, page 699-700 (highlighting the key passages -
toward the bottom of the second column), and page 32 of the Ukazatel'
Sokrashchenij at the end of the PDF (for the date of the original gospel
source).