Since I'm overly scrupulous, making good decisions about when its time to get my bottom into the confessional can be difficult.

I made a rather snarky and uncharitable comment on an internet discussion. In essence I said, "Great, their degree will lead to future contestants on Design Star." I wasn't speaking about a specific person but rather a degree program at a university. In retrospect the comment could have hurt many feelings....

So I'm thinking about the question posted above in both general terms and my situation in specific. I'm working hard to learn to tame my tongue in general...

Thanks!

_________________"So mercifully blessed to be free from the ravages of intelligence." - Taken from Time Bandits

I always enjoy robust discussions about stuff, even when passionate exchanges occur. But my pet hate of all is the use of sarcasm and contempt. I believe Matthew addresses it too in 5:21-22.

“You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ (Aramaic for contempt) is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

We all say things rashly sometimes, but so much is mended by a prompt apology I think.

It's seriously sinful when it's done with a desire to hurt someone badly.

What if it causes your brother to stumble?

Forseeably or unforseeably?

When you ask 'foreseeably or unforeseeably' do you mean something that one is able to to foresee or something one actually kind of actively foresees? When one talks about causing one's brother to stumble in this context of serious sin, does one mean stumble in any degree of sin or in a serious way?

_________________'The only cure for sagging or fainting faith is Communion.... Like the act of Faith it must be continuous and grow by exercise. Frequency is of the highest effect. Seven times a week is more nourishing than seven times at intervals.' J.R.R. Tolkien

His question was not, "Is it sinful?", but "How sinful?" We are not responsible for every conceivable result of our actions—only the ones that are reasonably foreseeable. It is wrong to speak uncharitably, but in general it is a venial sin.

His question was not, "Is it sinful?", but "How sinful?" We are not responsible for every conceivable result of our actions—only the ones that are reasonably foreseeable. It is wrong to speak uncharitably, but in general it is a venial sin.

Are there any mortal sins left on the books

_________________We are obliged to believe and confess with simplicity that outside the Church there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins. [Pope Boniface VIII]

It's seriously sinful when it's done with a desire to hurt someone badly.

What if you are genuinely wishing something bad on someone? You don't say it, but you have a silent hope (almost a prayer - though I hope the good Lord ignores it!), that they "learn their lesson".

I work in a call centre and when I deal with someone who is rude and knows "better" (usually the most ignorant) I do often hope that one day, they'll learn they were wrong. I don't mind when people don't do what I want (I'm in insurance), but it annoys me to no end then they want to argue with me that x is identical to y.

I regularly have the thought "no, it isn't, and one day I hope you have x happen to you and then you'll wish you'd listened". x been a major car accident or a house burning down or some such. If they're happy receiving an inferior product (I always achknowledge when it's equivalent or if I don't know) then that's cool, just don't talk down to me about how it's better. If it was better, it wouldn't be half the price.

_________________"We never give more honour to Jesus than when we honour his Mother, and we honour her simply and solely to honour him all the more perfectly. We go to her only as a way leading to the goal we seek - Jesus, her Son."-Saint Louis Marie de Montfort

It's seriously sinful when it's done with a desire to hurt someone badly.

What if you are genuinely wishing something bad on someone? You don't say it, but you have a silent hope (almost a prayer - though I hope the good Lord ignores it!), that they "learn their lesson".

I work in a call centre and when I deal with someone who is rude and knows "better" (usually the most ignorant) I do often hope that one day, they'll learn they were wrong. I don't mind when people don't do what I want (I'm in insurance), but it annoys me to no end then they want to argue with me that x is identical to y.

I regularly have the thought "no, it isn't, and one day I hope you have x happen to you and then you'll wish you'd listened". x been a major car accident or a house burning down or some such. If they're happy receiving an inferior product (I always achknowledge when it's equivalent or if I don't know) then that's cool, just don't talk down to me about how it's better. If it was better, it wouldn't be half the price.

IMHO there is wanting "justice" versus wanting "harm". Justice is good. Harm is obviously very wrong.

Pax or Father can better speak to the "justice" part....

_________________"So mercifully blessed to be free from the ravages of intelligence." - Taken from Time Bandits

They're definitely not spiritually healthy, and it is something I'm working on. Unhealthy and sinful however aren't the same thing.

_________________"We never give more honour to Jesus than when we honour his Mother, and we honour her simply and solely to honour him all the more perfectly. We go to her only as a way leading to the goal we seek - Jesus, her Son."-Saint Louis Marie de Montfort

They're definitely not spiritually healthy, and it is something I'm working on. Unhealthy and sinful however aren't the same thing.

The other reality is most often, if someone does get their just desserts, you don't get any satisfaction from the justice aspect afterall. You are more whelmed with sorrow for their sufferings. Experiencing that outcome helps to abate the irritation in subsequent situations in your life, I find.

They're definitely not spiritually healthy, and it is something I'm working on. Unhealthy and sinful however aren't the same thing.

The other reality is most often, if someone does get their just desserts, you don't get any satisfaction from the justice aspect afterall. You are more whelmed with sorrow for their sufferings. Experiencing that outcome helps to abate the irritation in subsequent situations in your life, I find.

I don't know that I do though. You heard about the massive floods Australia had this time last year? That was my home city. I feel for those who were deceived by their insurance companies, but I don't for those who choose their insurance because they were "happy to take the risk". Well, they took the risk and they lost. If they just achknowledged that and then asked for help I'd be cool, but when they try and put the blame on their insurance company when they made the decision not to be covered, I have no sympathy. They opted out.. it's not their insurance companies fault, it's theirs. I'm not pleased they got their just desserts, but I'm not overly upset about their situation either.

_________________"We never give more honour to Jesus than when we honour his Mother, and we honour her simply and solely to honour him all the more perfectly. We go to her only as a way leading to the goal we seek - Jesus, her Son."-Saint Louis Marie de Montfort

It's seriously sinful when it's done with a desire to hurt someone badly.

I'm just wondering, since the OP was about a general comment made in a discussion, whether this measure holds also for a comment made directly to a person in an argument.

_________________'The only cure for sagging or fainting faith is Communion.... Like the act of Faith it must be continuous and grow by exercise. Frequency is of the highest effect. Seven times a week is more nourishing than seven times at intervals.' J.R.R. Tolkien

In general, yes, though in a heated argument we are able to exert less self-control, which means culpability is likely reduced.

Thanks.

_________________'The only cure for sagging or fainting faith is Communion.... Like the act of Faith it must be continuous and grow by exercise. Frequency is of the highest effect. Seven times a week is more nourishing than seven times at intervals.' J.R.R. Tolkien