No these are much easier. Seriously. WOTLK was easy no argument there but these are literaly normal mode dungeons in wotlk. Theirs nothing heroic about them in the slightest. They got rid of nomral modes so the "heroics" became normal dungeons.

While I do agree that even the normal modes of these dungeons are harder than the heroics, which is an atrocious thing, Wrath simply had them tuned better. The Wrath normals were VERY easy, while the heroics also were VERY easy. The normals of MoP are simply easy while the heroics are VERY easy. If you get what I mean.

Still better than having all the raids be shit easy though.

I just want to note that with my previous post I might have seemed very harsh and very... unaccepting of other's opinions. People are of course entitled to their own opinion, and while I might seem very offensive when exaggerating my own opinion, I do accept other's opinions. It's mostly just that you seemed to have a very opinionated and offensive tone, and I usually treat other's with the respect that they kind of show.

Im only lvl 88. Still some impressions. The questing is still collect 10 bear arses. Sometimes its spiced up a bit, and a few quests actually surprised a little. But yeah...10 bear arses in disguise is still 10 bear arses. I start to hate questing again. Doing dungeons is a bit more fun, but really the challenge isnt there. You might wipe if you do a boss for the first time. After that you really have to be bad to wipe, at least in the 4 dungeons i've done. So if you started to dislike questing previously I wouldnt get my hopes up about Pandaland.

Until their next expansion or the one after that or the one after that. Apparently they can do nothing wrong.

---------- Post added 2012-10-05 at 07:15 PM ----------

Originally Posted by wariofan1

While I do agree that even the normal modes of these dungeons are harder than the heroics, which is an atrocious thing, Wrath simply had them tuned better. The Wrath normals were VERY easy, while the heroics also were VERY easy. The normals of MoP are simply easy while the heroics are VERY easy. If you get what I mean.

That's the thing for alot of these dungeons their are no normal modes. Theirs like 4 you use lvilng and then that's it. Basically heroic has become normal and Challenge has become heroic without the reward. It's gimped.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

PvE isn't simply about raids. That 3 could be based on the 5 mans and Normal raids. Hell, it could be based on quests too really.

Sure as hell shouldn't be on dungeons then. They offer no reward and require even less thought.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

PVP Balance (i have not done as much pvp as i would have liked, too much other stuff to do, but i feel more balanced now than i have since BC)

PVE Balance 8, downranked cause some classes feel low, but no DPS roles feel OP, tanks are another story but where adjusted recently

PVE Difficulty 6-10 there is content that is on par with Wotlk, 5 mans normals/heroics, but then the challenge modes and raids are much more difficult and interesting, as a semi-hardcore guild we where able to use quest blues to clear Naxx in wrath, MsV is not the same, loosing to enrage is a very real possibility, heroic gear is necessary, which i think is a good thing, and even though the 5 man regulars are simple in that you ought not wipe at all, they are still fun and interesting zones and VERY artistically awesome.

Story Depth 10, there are tons of stories going on, and alot of things that create some great moments and emotion, the story interacts with the 5 mans like it used to in Vanilla and even more-so, i found myself completing a zones quests than immediately finding a group to do the 5 man in that zone, even though i lost out on the "random bonus" and raid, everything feels interconnected and there is some fun silly things too, not only that but you are rewarded for searching out the little nooks and crannies of the world with tons of little story tid bits here and there.

Overall i would rank it as my favorite expansion thus far, and i have been subbed since 2006

---------- Post added 2012-10-05 at 09:05 PM ----------

Originally Posted by irspacehamster

So if you started to dislike questing previously I would Play a different game cause thats what wow is about

Until their next expansion or the one after that or the one after that. Apparently they can do nothing wrong.

Spirits forbid someone genuinely likes the expansion.

Originally Posted by Atrahasis

That's the thing for alot of these dungeons their are no normal modes. Theirs like 4 you use lvilng and then that's it. Basically heroic has become normal and Challenge has become heroic without the reward. It's gimped.

Errrrr there are shinies plus I reckon simply the feeling you've achieved something should be reward enough (at least that's how it is with me). After all, while gear gets outdated, the memories stay.

Errrrr there are shinies plus I reckon simply the feeling you've achieved something should be reward enough (at least that's how it is with me). After all, while gear gets outdated, the memories stay.

Achieved what? I put my face on the keyboard and tanked every fucking heroic dungeon without even looking at the screen. The memories only stay when the content is memorable. I look forward to challenge modes though. Maybe when I have the gear in 10 years?

It's also fine that he thinks it's the best expansion. I think overall it's a better expansion than cataclysm. It's the second part where I presume he will think the next expansion is blizzards best content. It's basically Blizzard can only do right at this point...

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

Achieved what? I put my face on the keyboard and tanked every fucking heroic dungeon without even looking at the screen. The memories only stay when the content is memorable. I look forward to challenge modes though. Maybe when I have the gear in 10 years?

It's also fine that he thinks it's the best expansion. I think overall it's a better expansion than cataclysm. It's the second part where I presume he will think the next expansion is blizzards best content. It's basically Blizzard can only do right at this point...

No, you're saying anyone who thinks the new layout is wrong and blind. People who are very much liking how MoP is designed could just as much have not liked Cataclysm and detailed why. That's not blindly saying Blizzard can do no wrong, just that they feel MoP has done it right. I'm one of them, though I can agree with the suggested X dailies x 7 = rep cap for the week design allowing you to do a full compliment of dailies each day OR run heroics with a tabard for rep. I can agree with that as being reasonable and fair to letting players choose their method.

However...

Originally Posted by Atrahasis

Achieved what? I put my face on the keyboard and tanked every fucking heroic dungeon without even looking at the screen.

YouTube video or it didn't happen.
For the love of all that is good, YouTube video. I would fall out of my chair laughing if you could literally do this and make a video of it. XD

But you can't...you wouldn't run down halls if you did this. You're using hyperbole to try and exaggerate your complaints. It never helps an argument. Tone it down, acknowledge the advantages of what MoP has, detail the complaints, present rational compromise and solutions. I think you've got some legitimate gripes and even reasonable solutions, but emotion is coming through in your posts more than constructive criticism.

So it seems like there's a large focus on Dailys this time around. I enjoyed Wrath of the Lich King and Burning Crusade Dailys, but I hated Cataclysm. Is there at least a wide option of dailys that you can do? That are spread out through the continent?

So it seems like there's a large focus on Dailys this time around. I enjoyed Wrath of the Lich King and Burning Crusade Dailys, but I hated Cataclysm. Is there at least a wide option of dailys that you can do? That are spread out through the continent?

Yes, they are spread all over. Also, there is no longer a 25/day limit.

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You just cant be sceptical about 1 thing. I guess different POV's, but its like you see Blizzard as something that cant make 1 mistake. You seem blinded and narrow minded, or just extreme fan boi (Since you seem to post in every thread with nothing but the same blizzard loving stuff)

Achieved what? I put my face on the keyboard and tanked every fucking heroic dungeon without even looking at the screen. The memories only stay when the content is memorable. I look forward to challenge modes though. Maybe when I have the gear in 10 years?

It's also fine that he thinks it's the best expansion. I think overall it's a better expansion than cataclysm. It's the second part where I presume he will think the next expansion is blizzards best content. It's basically Blizzard can only do right at this point...

Are you stupid?

My head blew up when you said that you need gear for challenge modes.... that lock your item level up/down.... to one specific item level.

Edit:

To the OP I love the expac, dailies feel more like TBC, and pvp has got a lot more fun.