If that's all you want to do (pulling less than 5000), then I'll go with the F150. You
should also get better gas milage.

> By the way, in case you want to make a more educated decision, I need the
> truck for hauling a motorcycle in the bed once and a while, towing a few
> snowcats in the winter, and for navigating North Dakotan fields for hunting.
> Also we get plenty of white stuff from November to April.
>
> Thanks for reading my novel guys! I'll appreciate any and all opinions!
> Thanks in advance!

Brent, I have not mounted my CB yet. I am looking for information on how =
to pull the headliner down without damaging it, and how to route the =
wires from the headliner down the A post trim if I can find a good =
ceiling mount. Otherwise I will mount under the dash and run the coax =
cable from the roof down. I already have an electric brake controller =
mounted to the right of the steering column which I may need to move to =
make room for the CB. Ford does not leave a person many options for this =
type of equipment. Since I have the 6spd manual with manual transfer =
case, the transmission tunnel mounting is out. From another post I =
received you can pass the cable through a rubber grommet just below the =
brake booster. Power can be taken from the passenger side fender well, =
but I think there are extra power sources under the dash to the left of =
the steering column. I will not have time to look at it for nearly a =
week, so I'll just keep reading posts until then.

Dan, etc
I, too, have the same CB dilemmas....
Where to mount the unit...CRAB 1's Ram mount looks good. =20
Is there decent access to pas the cable thru the firewall or do you
need to route to the back thru the "known" holes? Where did you
access power?

As for antenna mounting...I'd like to "lip mount" to the front. I haul
an overhead camper 3-4 mionths a year so roof-top is out. Over
the years, most lip-mounts usuallly cause problems with paint
chipping around it..ANY Ideas??

You do not need to pull the headliner down if you're installing a
thru-the-roof mount. Drill your hole about three inches behind the dome
light. Remove the dome light assembly (three screws, if I remember
correctly) and you will be able to see the hole through the dome light
opening. Push your coax through the hole and down through the dome light
opening into the cab. Secure the roof mount. Once the antenna is mounted,
snake the coax between the headliner to the rear of the cab. The coax will
easily pop out near the rear glass. From there, it's easy to finish the job.

Brent, I have not mounted my CB yet. I am looking for information on how to
pull the headliner down without damaging it, and how to route the wires from
the headliner down the A post trim if I can find a good ceiling mount.
Otherwise I will mount under the dash and run the coax cable from the roof
down. I already have an electric brake controller mounted to the right of
the steering column which I may need to move to make room for the CB. Ford
does not leave a person many options for this type of equipment. Since I
have the 6spd manual with manual transfer case, the transmission tunnel
mounting is out. From another post I received you can pass the cable through
a rubber grommet just below the brake booster. Power can be taken from the
passenger side fender well, but I think there are extra power sources under
the dash to the left of the steering column. I will not have time to look at
it for nearly a week, so I'll just keep reading posts until then.

Dan, etc
I, too, have the same CB dilemmas....
Where to mount the unit...CRAB 1's Ram mount looks good.
Is there decent access to pas the cable thru the firewall or do you
need to route to the back thru the "known" holes? Where did you
access power?

As for antenna mounting...I'd like to "lip mount" to the front. I haul
an overhead camper 3-4 mionths a year so roof-top is out. Over
the years, most lip-mounts usuallly cause problems with paint
chipping around it..ANY Ideas??

My guess would be so the compressed air has some place to go when you close
the doors. Also, maybe for ventilation.

Ralph Lindberg wrote:

> I had noticed some road noise coming from the back of you 99F250SC, and
> my wife noticed two black covers, at the rear of the cab between the cab
> and the bed. I looked at my 91F150SC and didn't notice this. Some looking
> confirmed that these are two vents, behind the back seat.
> Does anyone know about these, why Ford put them in and is there a way to
> plug them
>
> Ralph Lindberg ICQ 5988954
> RV and Camping FAQ
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
>
>
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Michael Schumacher wrote:
>
> Hey Guys, I have a new question, opinions welcome.
>
> I am going to sell my 93 F-150 4X4 in favor of a late model truck this
> spring. I have two prosective trucks, one is a 97 F250 4X4, which has a
> 5.4. The other truck is a 97 F150 4X4 with a 4.6. The F150 is much
> cleaner, with about 10k less miles, and perfect paint. The F250 is in good
> running order, except for a scratched up bed, couple dings, and dirty
> carpet. The F250 i can get for about $14000, and the F150 for about 17000.
>
> My real question is how much difference is there between the 4.6L and the
> 5.4L? Now I have a 5.0 with cat back exhaust in my truck, and god forbid me
> to buy a new truck with less power! Also, is there a difference in gas
> mileage? Finally, is there much structural difference in the F250 vs F150?
>
> By the way, in case you want to make a more educated decision, I need the
> truck for hauling a motorcycle in the bed once and a while, towing a few
> snowcats in the winter, and for navigating North Dakotan fields for hunting.
> Also we get plenty of white stuff from November to April.
>
> Thanks for reading my novel guys! I'll appreciate any and all opinions!
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mike Schumacher
> 1993 F150 4X4 5.0
> The big YELLOW truck.
>
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Mike,

The difference in the two trucks is as follows: the 250
has a stronger frame and is rated to tow more. It has a
full floating rear end and 10.25" differential. The F-150
with the 4.6L does not and it has an 8.8" diff. The 4.6 is
rated at 220 HP and 290 lbs ft of torque and the 5.4 is 235
hp and 330 lbs ft. The auto in the 250 is the E4OD and is
slightly better than the 4R70W that is in the 97 F-150.
Both trucks have the same front 8.8" differential. Look at
the axle code on the Vehicle Certification label. The F-150
has either an 18 for a 3.08 gear or a 19 for a 3.55 gear or
H9 for a 3.55 Limited slip. The F-250 has either a 27 for
a 3.31 gear or a 26 for a 3.73 or a B6 for a 3.73 limited
slip. This label is usually on the driver side door
pillar. It sounds like the 250 was used like a work
vehicle. Start the engine when it is cold and listen for
piston slap.

I haven't seen this question answered yet...Will the heated mirrors on the
newer rigs, Excurions, or '00 Trucks(?) retrofit onto the '99 Super Duty.

Also, can anybody tell me what the "THEFT" indicator in the tachometer area
of the dash is for? I can see it when the lighting conditions are right and
I know the truck doesn't have an alarm system to speak of (wish it did see
comments below) and it isn't documented anywhere. Is this dash used for
another Ford vehicle that has a security system?

>
>
> I haven't seen this question answered yet...Will the heated mirrors on the
> newer rigs, Excurions, or '00 Trucks(?) retrofit onto the '99 Super Duty.
>
> Also, can anybody tell me what the "THEFT" indicator in the tachometer area
> of the dash is for? I can see it when the lighting conditions are right and
> I know the truck doesn't have an alarm system to speak of (wish it did see
> comments below) and it isn't documented anywhere. Is this dash used for
> another Ford vehicle that has a security system?
>
> dc
>

If you don't have the burglar alarm, the THEFT indicator just means that the
car's computer will check for an ID on the key (via a small chip) before it
will let the engine start. If you have a burglar alarm, the THEFT indicator
will glow solid when pre-armed, flash when armed.

An alarm system from Ford wasn't an option on my 99 4x4 SDCC, and my
key/ignition doesn't have a chip (that I can tell). Do after market alarm
systems tie into the Super Duty's theft light? I want an alarm system
installed because it seems like it is vulneralbe to theft. I am surprised it
doesn't have more protection from the factory, unless I missed something?
dc

>
>
> I haven't seen this question answered yet...Will the heated mirrors on the
> newer rigs, Excurions, or '00 Trucks(?) retrofit onto the '99 Super Duty.
>
> Also, can anybody tell me what the "THEFT" indicator in the tachometer
area
> of the dash is for? I can see it when the lighting conditions are right
and
> I know the truck doesn't have an alarm system to speak of (wish it did see
> comments below) and it isn't documented anywhere. Is this dash used for
> another Ford vehicle that has a security system?
>
> dc
>

If you don't have the burglar alarm, the THEFT indicator just means that the
car's computer will check for an ID on the key (via a small chip) before it
will let the engine start. If you have a burglar alarm, the THEFT indicator
will glow solid when pre-armed, flash when armed.

No, it is a normal sized key. Not big enough to hold a chip of any sort.
Does anybody have a Super Duty with a larger key, i.e. chip? The answer to
this would solve my conumdrum, at least I would know that ford offered it
somewhere, sometime for some reason....

If you look into the dash just right, not while driving of course, you
probably will see it too.
dc

>
> No, it is a normal sized key. Not big enough to hold a chip of any sort.
> Does anybody have a Super Duty with a larger key, i.e. chip? The answer to
> this would solve my conumdrum, at least I would know that ford offered it
> somewhere, sometime for some reason....
>
> If you look into the dash just right, not while driving of course, you
> probably will see it too.
> dc
>

Did you get a remote with your truck?

Here is one test to see if you have the burglar alarm. Lock the doors using
power locks, pull the handle on the driver's door to just unlock that, close
that door, wait 20-40 seconds, open. If the horn starts honking and the
lights flash, you got the alarm. Stick the key in the ignition and turn
to ACC, or stick it in the door and turn it to shut off the racket.
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Those vents also let large amounts of air out quickly, for example when your
airbags go off. If they are plugged, you and your passenger will also have
blown eardrums in addition to a bloody nose and black eyes.

Well, it sounds to me like the F-250 is not quite as clean, has a bigger motor,
and costs $3000 less. Lets face it, you are probably going to scuff up the paint
and soil the carpet on your own, so that shouldn't play a big factor in your
decision.
The F-250 is the better deal here.

John Z. in Guam

Michael Schumacher wrote:

>
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:48:03 PDT
> From: "Michael Schumacher"
> Subject: FTE 97up - New post
>
> Hey Guys, I have a new question, opinions welcome.
>
> I am going to sell my 93 F-150 4X4 in favor of a late model truck this
> spring. I have two prosective trucks, one is a 97 F250 4X4, which has a
> 5.4. The other truck is a 97 F150 4X4 with a 4.6. The F150 is much
> cleaner, with about 10k less miles, and perfect paint. The F250 is in good
> running order, except for a scratched up bed, couple dings, and dirty
> carpet. The F250 i can get for about $14000, and the F150 for about 17000.
>
> My real question is how much difference is there between the 4.6L and the
> 5.4L? Now I have a 5.0 with cat back exhaust in my truck, and god forbid me
> to buy a new truck with less power! Also, is there a difference in gas
> mileage? Finally, is there much structural difference in the F250 vs F150?
>
> By the way, in case you want to make a more educated decision, I need the
> truck for hauling a motorcycle in the bed once and a while, towing a few
> snowcats in the winter, and for navigating North Dakotan fields for hunting.
> Also we get plenty of white stuff from November to April.
>
> Thanks for reading my novel guys! I'll appreciate any and all opinions!
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mike Schumacher
> 1993 F150 4X4 5.0
> The big YELLOW truck.
>

While we are talking about unidentified indicators in the tach area, can
someone tell me why there is a 'Fuel Door' lettering inside my tach on a 98
F-150? It doesn't light up or anything if the fuel door is left open!!!!
- -----
Ron

> Also, can anybody tell me what the "THEFT" indicator in the tachometer
area
> of the dash is for? I can see it when the lighting conditions are right
and
> I know the truck doesn't have an alarm system to speak of (wish it did see
> comments below) and it isn't documented anywhere. Is this dash used for
> another Ford vehicle that has a security system?
>
> dc
>
>
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Just had a meeting today and the current status on orders was discused. For
the Kansas City region (others may be different, but should be simmilar)
their were 650 Retail (Customer ordered, Not Fleet or Stock) V-10 Super Duty
orders. The estimates put 150 of these to be scheduled this month (November
production). So this explains the backlog of SD's. On a simmilar note,
Excursions had 89 Sold Retail orders with an expected 13 of them to get
scheduled.

>
> No, it is a normal sized key. Not big enough to hold a chip of any sort.
> Does anybody have a Super Duty with a larger key, i.e. chip? The answer
to
> this would solve my conumdrum, at least I would know that ford offered it
> somewhere, sometime for some reason....
>
> If you look into the dash just right, not while driving of course, you
> probably will see it too.
> dc
>

Did you get a remote with your truck?

Here is one test to see if you have the burglar alarm. Lock the doors using
power locks, pull the handle on the driver's door to just unlock that, close
that door, wait 20-40 seconds, open. If the horn starts honking and the
lights flash, you got the alarm. Stick the key in the ignition and turn
to ACC, or stick it in the door and turn it to shut off the racket.
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What about the Excursions heated mirrors interchanging with the Super Duty?
Talk to my parts department and the mirrors are $125.00 a piece but they had
no idea if they would work on my truck. Who would know about this?
Jeff

"Ron,Marge,Ted" wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> While we are talking about unidentified indicators in the tach area, can
> someone tell me why there is a 'Fuel Door' lettering inside my tach on a 98
> F-150? It doesn't light up or anything if the fuel door is left open!!!!
> -----
> Ron
>

Ron,

It is there to remind you what side the fuel door is on.
Notice the arrow.
It is useful for people who drive many different vehicles
and can not remember where the door is.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

PS. I just wish it would light up with the head lights. It
is difficult to see in the dark.
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> "Ron,Marge,Ted" wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > While we are talking about unidentified indicators in the tach area,
can
> > someone tell me why there is a 'Fuel Door' lettering inside my tach on a
98
> > F-150? It doesn't light up or anything if the fuel door is left open!!!!
> > -----
> > Ron
> >
>
> Ron,
>
>
> It is there to remind you what side the fuel door is on.
> Notice the arrow.
> It is useful for people who drive many different vehicles
> and can not remember where the door is.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
>
> PS. I just wish it would light up with the head lights. It
> is difficult to see in the dark.
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