i first contacted "moneymanzzz" when he posted a thread about a sms method he had and was looking for partners to JV with. the thread was deleted shortly after by his own request saying he had found enough partners (or i would post the URL here). however by this time i had made contact with him on skype and started talking with him and all seemed fine. although it took a while, he finally told me that i would need to send his "programmer" (not sure if this guy really exists, but he goes by R Programmer or RP) $2,000 USD and i would need to purchase at least one server, data lists, etc. he said he is good friends with Vito from ******* and that's the network we'd be running the offer(s) on. he said Vito would set up an account for me and all profits would be split 50/50 between me and moneymanzzz.

i wanted to send his programmer a wire right away but he said a wire would take too long to clear the programmer's bank, and the only other option was Western Union so i went with that. i was never able to send the $2,000 to his programmer because the guy was either never around or he wasn't able to accept WU payments for various reasons. i was given a number of excuses, and off the top of my head i was given FIVE different WU receiver details. by this point i'm starting to have some doubts so i ask both moneymanzzz and the programmer to send me screen shots of the software and/or teamview. both either refused or flat out ignored me each time i would bring it up. so then i contacted Vito from ******* to see what he had to say about moneymanzzz. i was fixing to call off the whole thing UNTIL Vito vouched for him. once Vito vouched for him i thought for sure this guy was legit and just having temporary problems, so i gave him the benefit of the doubt. anyway, i decide to go through with it but his programmer is still having trouble accepting the WU payment. moneymanzzz had previously told me he would accept the payment as courtesy and send it to his programmer. since i was having so much trouble getting payment to this programmer guy i decided to take him up on his offer. so i send moneymanzzz the $2000 via WU. he claims he sent the money to his programmer and the next step would be getting the programmer to install the software on my server. so now i am actively trying to get the programmer to install the software, but he is either never around, too busy, or "confused."

i have been ignored by both the programmer and moneymanzzz throughout this whole ordeal. they would hit me up, and then generally stop responding instantly or as soon as i brought up something they didn't want to respond to. i've asked for a refund and all i have been getting is the run around or being ignored. i have given this guy the benefit of the doubt way too many times (check the logs). i cannot and will not wait any longer, nor continue to be ignored or strung along.

to this day moneymanzzz is still ranting how he is willing to refund my money and will do it ASAP, but he never does. draw your own conclusions from the chat logs and let's see if this guy really has no problem refunding my money or if he's really just another bhw member turned scammer as i have no choice but to conclude at this point.

if anyone has any questions or needs any further proof (whether it be screen shots, clarification, etc.)...do not hesitate to ask, i have it all.

lol.. you're a clown.. i told u not to send me the money for exactly this reason.. I told u i will wire you back.. I cannot send $2k WU they want SSN here for that amount, and im sure it will be reported to the IRS, so i rather just send a wire i can actually write off.., and also the money was forwarded to my programmer. Im willing to eat the loss. Pm me a wire information or forget it.. your choice..

and thats all i have to say.. im not gonna waste time with this.. ive dealt with you long enough.. especially since i dont even have the damn money... the programmer does... ill talk to you after the weekend.. cheers

i wont resort to insults, since it wont get us anywhere. anyone that reads the logs will see you clearly were impatient for the payment. hounding me for days and calling the deal off even as the money is being sent through an exchanger. at what point did you tell me not to send the money? i would love for you to quote it in the context of the conversation. it would have been great if you kept the same enthusiasm for the jv ...after you got the money. but after you got the money, the lines went quite. and that is bullshit.

and you can not act as if you are immune to this situation. as far as i know, you and R Programmer are the same exact person. you both respond haphazardly, you both dodge questions, and you both are on the computer about 30 minutes a day... if that. i dont care if you think that will buy you immunity, not at this point, and in my opinion, its a weak attempt for a scammer coverup.

i will send the wire details over BHW PM. a mod/admin can take it upon themselves to confirm this.

as for anyone reading this thread, i would suggest you inform your friends to withhold doing business with moneymanzzz until he corrects this situation. as it stands now, he could be courting more people for this "JV" while he "sends me the wire."

and as it stands, i would tread lightly doing business with anyone that Vito of ******* vouches for.

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once again you're a clown.. on one breath you say it was hard to pay me, then on the other hand you say im hounding you.. you forgot begging me to send the money and me DOING YOU A FAVOR and telling you to send it to me.. if i wanted to scam you i would have taken the money weeks ago.. you need to learn how scamming works.. scammers dont refuse payments you jackass..

ive never ripped anyone, neither has vito.. he has solid reps.. so do i.. so you're going to end up looking silly when you get your wire.. anyway hopefully nobody else deals with your impatient, immature self..

"hounding me for days and calling the deal off even as the money is being sent through an exchanger"

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lol on one hand i want to scam you right? then on the other hand i tell you not to pay me? what scammer doesnt want payment.. you're not too bright..

anyway you WERE Hounding me while i told you to wait for programmer, then you send ME the money and then have no patience.. HENCE WHY I TOLD U NOT TO SEND IT TO ME IN THE FIRST PLACE.. so that way if the programmer is not online for 2 weeks you wont keep bugging me for your money.. And the programmer isnt replying you much 'cuz i told him not to. i just told him to send you money and stop dealing with you.. so stop bugging him. thanks

clearly your perception of what went down is skewed. anyone who wants to know exactly what happened can read through the chat logs. i posted them for a reason. if you return the money, great, i'll look silly. but once again, anyone who cares to read the chat logs will see that each and every time i tried to talk to you about sending the refund, all you did was ignore me or give me the run-around.

as i said in my first post, anyone who needs me to clarify anything, send screen shots of chat logs, etc. just ask.

regardless, you will be getting the wire details shortly, don't worry.

also, anyone who reads the chat logs can see the programmer was around SEVERAL times AFTER the money was sent but he always had an excuse as to why he couldn't install the software, or he just quit responding in mid-conversation just like you would. same thing would happen whenever i would ask either of you for a simple screen shot or teamview session. it's all in the logs.

just send the damn wire information already. also you need to clarify to people you sent the money a week ago, not a month ago.. you're making it seem like he's had your money for a month, when you fail to mention you just sent the money right before the holiday weekend..

also, anyone who reads the chat logs can see the programmer was around SEVERAL times AFTER the money was sent but he always had an excuse as to why he couldn't install the software, or he just quit responding in mid-conversation just like you would. same thing would happen whenever i would ask either of you for a simple screen shot or teamview session. it's all in the logs.

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there was no excuse.. he told you THURSDAY, which wasnt bad considering he just got his money like 2 days before, but you said no and flipped out.. so stop lying.. also nobody forced you to do this, you decided on your own.. stop playing victim especially since im going to be paying you out of my pocket.. bottom line is you have 0 patience.. i am not the programmer's dad.. you sent money to me, i sent it to him, and < 48hrs after he received the money you're already making threats.. like i said you're a newbie and a clown. cant wait to stop dealing with your ass.

I apologize for calling him names. Im just ticked off due to his lack of patience..Plus he also brought ******* into this..

Im annoyed because i was actually trying to help him, then he does this.. He has a hard time sending money to my guy, begs me to send to me, I agree.. I receive it, send it to my guy days later, and less than 48hrs after my guy receives it he is already threatening me online.. Anyway just send me the information i asked for and lets resolve this. Nobody wants your two thousand dollars.

i have sent the wire details (admin please feel free to confirm my sent folder or his inbox)

bud i did not beg you to take the money. the situation was you were impatient for payment, constantly telling me the jv was off due to lack of payment. at every turn your programmer was giving me a different WU receiver information because he would need perhaps 5 minutes notice it was being sent. and furthermore, if you read the log from my conversation with the programmer he said he would have it done by Thursday. on Friday he sent me a message when he woke up, told me to hold on, and then stopped responding for the whole day. and at that point it was typical. you did not tell him to stop working with me at that point, because he was supposed to install the software. and yet he still ignored me.

and for the record i did not bring ******* into this you did. you are working closely with Vito to setup joint accounts for your jvs. you said Vito is good friend. i confirmed and Vito vouched for you. you both said you were good friends in real life.

Man this all sounds so familiar , I still believe untill this day this is all legit ( wouldn think why anyone would sacrifice a good rep on a forum for a few dollars ), but things are starting to sound bad.

I sure hope this is gonna get resolved soon , I sent that R Programmer guy the 2000 $ on 21 may ( WU yeah , cause of the long bank transfer wait ) , and he still hasnt got the server installed ( in my case he was gonna get the server from some bulletproof hoster ) ( almost 2 weeks now ). I do believe they aint the same person , but this has to get resolved one way or another ( mr manz did promise to refund me the money if shit hits the fan , so I sure hope he goes through with that promise ). Manz plz get in touch with the R programmer and make sure he installs that server and soft , cause this is starting to look bad ) . Sure hope this aint a scam , but things aint looking to good. But I believe manz deserves a chance to resolve things

damn. i would hope all others on the forum who are in pending business with manz will hold off until all this is resolved. now it appears exXtra is now having this same issue of no contact or little contact with the "R programmer" and waiting so long for the "software install" ...i was hoping no other person who was in jv would come forward. which would give me faith. but now i worry more.

i cant believe Vito of ******* would stick his neck out for someone not legit, so i will still hold some faith.

proxygo: i think you are right, as long as payment is refunded there is no sense in piling on to call scammer and such. however i must say at current moment, there is no reason to not withhold such label, you must admit?

why was moneymanzzz aka mr manz able to send the $2k i sent him to his "programmer" without SSN? now when i want my $2k back they need his SSN?

would love an explanation for this

oxonbeef - this is no middleman. he is part of jv. this programmer is active in the jv if he is programming and maintaining software. to buy into this notion of middleman is to give "moneymanzzz" the benefit of the doubt.

also, consider that exXtra has come forward with the same issue. they are now not responding to him and not installing the software he paid for. he has sent them $2000 USD as well. i think others who are in the same position should be able to voice their concern because they can relate.

all those who read this, please contact your buddies via skype/aim/msn/yahoo/etc and tell them to hold off on any talks of doing business with manz or even Vito, as this will be an issue of bigger proportion if ******* is complicit in this.

Jesus fckin christ, how is this a scam? if so i must be the worst scammer.. I AM NOT the guy who installs the software.. you pay the programmer, he installs it, we split profit.. ive known him a long time.. i received your wire information and will send a wire and update here.. so what is your problem.. you're still pissing me off... im gonna send wire OUT OF MY POCKET and yet you are here grumbling.. what a fucking deal.. im out 2k and you wont stfu

why was moneymanzzz aka mr manz able to send the $2k i sent him to his "programmer" without SSN? now when i want my $2k back they need his SSN?
- Because WU in USA has certain limits. if you send past X amt they ask for occupation and SSN, besides i have a legit LLC so i need to send a wire so i can write it off.. I dont know where you live but this is how it works in the usa

oxonbeef - this is no middleman. he is part of jv. this programmer is active in the jv if he is programming and maintaining software. to buy into this notion of middleman is to give "moneymanzzz" the benefit of the doubt.
- dont make accusations you cant back up. programmer lives in philippines, i live in usa.. Stop being a clown

also, consider that exXtra has come forward with the same issue. they are now not responding to him and not installing the software he paid for. he has sent them $2000 USD as well. i think others who are in the same position should be able to voice their concern because they can relate.

-Once again you're being an idiot. i have been responding to him and told him i'll just refund him till my programmer gets his crap in order.

all those who read this, please contact your buddies via skype/aim/msn/yahoo/etc and tell them to hold off on any talks of doing business with manz or even Vito, as this will be an issue of bigger proportion if ******* is complicit in this.
-Vito is not a part of this, all he does is provide cpa accts.. you throw way too many accusations and im right in saying you're an idiot.. You have a lot to learn

Mmz has been giving me the run around for 6 weeks. I too contacted him about this SMS software and I got the same spiel as the op and extra... Fortunately I was wise enough to request he done his part before sending payment, since then all I got is excuses and bullshit from Mmz and his programmer.

ive never seen someone bitch so much for money they are getting back, especially if the other person is losing it.. you're an ungrateful dude.. but w/e its all good. i know not to deal with newbies.. my jv thread was posted in JRVIP for that reason. and only god knows how you saw it and contacted me..

sir you still have people waiting to be setup. you are ignoring them, i am speaking to them now. you are sending a wire which will take 3-7 days to clear. i will rectify all this after i have been refunded. until then i see no reason to believe you sir. you ignore and dodge. i paid YOU sir. not your programmer

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