Andy.... It's time.. (sorry)

I have nothing against the kid as a person, never did, but I never wanted him, I hated his purchase, and I never thought he'd cut it at Liverpool, especially when we'd been accustomed to some great players up top. I've always said this, even despite differences of opinion, so if nothing else, I've been consistent.

Obviously the answer is no, but I have to ask, and yes it's sarcastic, hopefully the humor will be found too... Do you still think Andy Carroll will "come good" for Liverpool?

I suppose the question is, which I personally don't, and can't imagine several others care, will he come good at WHU?

What this does do (assuming he agrees to terms and wages or we get stuck with a taller heavier Joe Cole, with more hair, who has more goals btw), is free up another 60-70K in wages, and with whatever the end fee is, will go directly back into the chest for Rodgers to spend in the summer..

And yes, Rodgers will be here in the summer. Considering we didn't add Ince, but presumably will, let's say Andy gets 15M, and FSG stump up another 20-30M, we could very well see ourselves adding one of the "ELITE" attacking players in Europe.

Table wise, and Champions League wise, we are clearly not where we want to be yet, but after spending alot in January, compared to teams above us, and bigger ones in Europe even, further money available and us building a more skilled, talented and faster squad, will improve our chances of recruiting bigger and better names.. Perhaps it's ok to dream of XYZ player until Summer comes!

Sorry Andy, perhaps a full time change in scenery and hairdo, will make him "come good" and score 30 goals..

Obviously if David Sullivan is lying, or gave the interview from the pub, I need to discard this post.

The fact that we could and perhaps should have won yesterday is an extremely prudent point.

To come away from the Etihad with a deserved 3 points having spent considerably less than City and still do when you compare the wage structure SHOULD I hope (maybe) give Armchair a little comfort in what the club's trying to achieve.

You could argue that City have finished their building process and are now trying to restructure to get the wage bill under control. I think they'll suffer for it. Perhaps yesterday wa evidence of that whereas I'd like to think we're still in the middle (or perhaps even at the beginning) of our journey.

Yep, watching the game, though watching the super bowl when your team isn't in it, and could have/should have (I'm a Broncos fan) is tough.. plus this is a beatdown..

Anyways, I couldn't find it in exact quotes so I'll have a look tomorrow, or you certainly can, but this seems to highlight what I was saying about FSG writing off bad debt from the cowboys, the first guy's post.. looks like it was 37Mhttp://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=119676

I'm in no way, shape, or form, trying to make you like them anymore than you have to, nor anyone else, I'm just trying to point out that while they say very little, and do things a little slower and more measured than we'd all like, they definitely do things, and really aren't getting much in return aside from money they're due, from profits on matchdays and commercial deals. Can you imagine buying a club for under 400M, in the shape we were, then buying some players, then buying more, who under performed, and then forking over 37M (or 27M) right out of your pocket on a stadium plan/grounds that didn't even have a shovel in the dirt? That would make me sick to my stomach..

Without exact figures and just guessing, they've probably spent in excess of 500M on all things, and not taken a penny more than deserved. While it's a different sport/league all together, I can tell you that the Red Sucks are nothing but a cash cow, hobby and play thing to them.. and rightfully so..

The direction we're going on all fronts is very good, especially, if you look at other owners like the Glaziers for example.. They like to operate every year in the -300+ range, which means they're spending and keeping, but no balance, and only paying when they reach the point where the banks are ready to pull the plug. Difference is obviously they've got Fergie and a 25+ year structure in place..

Look at our game today, who should have won in reality and who should have won on paper? It's amazing that they're worth more than double, probably salary wise too, position vs position and without that idiotic mistake by Reina, we're a few mins from a win that was more convincing than 2-1.. Bitter sweet, but all signs pointing upwards.. Not to mention, I'd take some of our starters over theirs and our bench over theirs too!

Jason...yeah pretty much agree with all u say. I didnt know about the 27 mill on the faulty stadium plans via TOXIC TEXANS. Yeah hope we can follow these last two away biggies with some hard core fight against the as u say lessser opposition upcoming we need to get it up Swansea after the home humiliation in League Cup and revenge on WBA for the opening day debacle and you know I think we are going to BR needs to keep these boys motivated ...credit to Carra today for his performance too eh ? If u watching it enjoy Super Bowl Sunday !

Colin,Again, I'm with you on Ince.. I wanted him actually before I wanted Sturridge when I heard they were the main two targets, and ultimately, I think we will get him in the summer, at least I hope so. In the meantime, again while I can't say what he'll do, we got a massive talent in Coutinho who won't prevent us from getting Ince in the summer, presumably when Downing is moved on.. We still have wages and space to move, especially considering Sterling can't get on the pitch right now, and Suso can't make the squad... 3 months ago we'd be dire without them.

As for the stadium, I have less important of a view/opinion of it than all of you lot do, but I hope that they can revamp Anfield and get close to 55-60..

The thing with 75-80k is, it's a massive expenditure right out of the pockets, and regardless of what anyone thinks, that's all the owners have done is spend, and profit only from the deals they've made, they've not kept player proceeds like many other clubs or the cowboys before them, so even if their spending is measured and split apart, you can't begrudge them for not spending.. Another thing is, you'd have to know all 80K seats will be filled because it costs a club more money to operate a function with an empty seat, then it earns with the seat full.

If they can secure some other massive deals this summer on top of the 2 I'm hearing are done over on this side of the puddle, then, for me and I think you'd agree, it should go to the squad first, and then start making the final steps on the stadium.

If we had a more ready made squad that just needed 1-2 two players, I'm sure they'd be ready to commit to that project which will be 3-4-5 years, and maybe something they won't even enjoy when their time comes up, but in the meantime if they can spend on players prudently and bring success then everyone wins..

To date, they've spent in excess of 500M on players, the club, some debt write offs and even absorbed a 27M (approx) faulty stadium plan loss on behalf of the cowboys.. how many people would do that? They never even said a word..

As for the game, squad, BR and way things are going, I think after the Oldham match, these last 2 matches were a very strong indicator of the heart and fight of this team, and everyone's entitled to their opinion, but today was arguably the best performance of the year vs a team worth twice as much, and we were better by a distance.. That's something bittersweet, but to be proud of, and I think it shows signs of tangibly turning that corner for progress seen..

Let's hope we follow it up vs WBA and Swans, which after today, I'd expect us to.. nothing less can be expected after they just slugged it out with the champs, and the Gooners on their soil..

Jason..u have to look to the future where any new stadium issue is concerned. Thing is we have a waiting list of in excess of 45,000 for season tickets going by how many is capacity now thats 90,000 fans want to see The Redmen at home ...right ? However it looks like we arent going to get a new stadium and we will be staying at Anfield which DOESNT break my heart. But the capacity will liely only increase by 10,000 leaving 35,000 disappointed fans. Its daft talking about armchair like this hes only like a lot of fans me inc that just want us to stop penny pinching ...please dont quote me stats from THE CORNER SHOP ACCOUNTANCY SCHOOL of how much the owners have spent this window stats can be made to tell whatever story nu want them to. Look we should have had Tom Ince we should have had Jack butland instead Stoke ? have Butland and Ince is still with Blackpool FC ,? tHING IS iNCE WOULD HAVE BEEN the biz hes proven 18 goals in Championship so far this season and KEEPER NEED i SAY ANYMORE AFTER reinas EXHIBITION TODAY ? We also need a MONSTER centre back old fashioned centre half . Why delay get these things done now and if we get a bit of a slap on thewrist from FFP so be it but it will likely be more of a tickle than a slap as this thing will be toothless ...trust me. wHAT HAVE WE ENDED UP WITH sTURRIDGE WHOlooks good but should have been on board for kick of of season so dont quote me the brilliance of the admin responsible for that signing and this player Couhtino WHO i DONT REALLYN THINK WE need RIGHT NOW AND HE WONT HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE IMPACT AS WORK PERMIT TO APPLY FOR ETC . so JUST WHAT DID WE REALLY DO THIS TRANSFER WINDOW ? Thats what armchair and others are asking I think. We are just fans...and weve waited way too long now thats why it was so good to see Kenny bring some silverware home at last ...and then FSG sack him. ps check my posts on City game and its all sweetness and light glass half full light at end of tunnel stuff and not a bad word about Rogers.

I probably could do one pretty good just off the top of my head and I could always sit down and do a more detailed one, but I have 2 fears..

They will get picked apart due to unknown wages, even though this particular exercise and point you want to make is just purchase vs purchase, and second, Armchair will just say, we should have gotten that guy (Mata) instead of this guy (Downing), and how our owners didn't step up for the likes of Hazard, Oscar etc., despite having no chance.. So for every 37M one team spends, we should spend 38M.. even if a position we didn't need..

It's a discussion that not even armchair could beat himself in.. Cat chasing it's tail for an eternity..

Oh, and then there's the stadium. If we had the 80K seats, Hazard would have chosen us over Chelsea..

No matter how hard we try to explain things to Armie he still still to his guns regarding his pauper owner opinion.

Can anyone shed any light or publish a league table of transfer purchases for the last two / three windows. I think the results might surpris you Armchair. Liverpool have recently spent big. Problem is, it can be argued that we've spent poorly. It's been an issue for quite some time and I'm encouraged to see that things are looking a bit better this season (to me anyway)

Jason..u are right Messi is a product of the Barca academy also u probably know that Barca have never accepted paid sponsor advertising on their teams shirts ?Plus they donate quite a large sum to UNICEF each year. Can u see Barca ever selling Messi on and reaping some huge profit which it doesnt plough back into the club ? No...Messi will be with Barca for the peak of his career...will Suarez be with us for his ? Stevie has been and for that I thank him and salute him and Im hoping that Suarez is as seriously RED as he says he is . The reason given for Barca not accepting paid sponsor shirt adverts is that... It demeans the club which is the representative of the people of Catalonia....CLASS ACT I'd call them , wouldnt you ?