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Video of a mob of Central American juvenile delinquents breaking into U.S. territory only to be sent fleeing back south of the border by pepper spray and tear gas has outraged our moral betters. Not the part about the violation of the territorial integrity of the United States, but the part about the tear gas.

And why are you watching a video when you are supposed to be staring at a single photograph of a woman and children fleeing tear gas? The MSM went to a lot of trouble to find that one photo to tell you all you are supposed to know, so why are you taking in more information than you should?

Our betters, of course, aren’t at all for Open Borders, they’re just against you racists doing anything to protect American borders. The Washington Post, for example, doubles down:

… On Sunday, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents fired the chemical agent at mostly Honduran migrants attempting to cross into the United States from Tijuana, Mexico — an unusual escalation of lobbing weapons over an international border at unarmed civilians seeking refuge, drawing condemnation from Democrats.

“I felt that my face was burning, and my baby fainted. I ran for my life and that of my children,” Cindy Milla, a Honduran migrant with two children, told the Wall Street Journal. …

Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

This use of chemical weapons justifies regime change. Letting the bombing of the White House begin!

The photos outraged Democrats critical of President Trump’s response to the migrant caravan. Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor-elect of California, argued that images of kids sprinting from tear gas run counter to American ideals.

“These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas,” he tweeted. “Women and children who left their lives behind — seeking peace and asylum — were met with violence and fear. That’s not my America. We’re a land of refuge. Of hope. Of freedom. And we will not stand for this.”

Tear gas was used during protests in Ferguson, Mo., after the 2014 police shooting death of Michael Brown, drawing similar rebukes from rights groups and citizens who said the police response was disproportionate.

The photos outraged Democrats critical of President Trump’s response to the migrant caravan. Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor-elect of California, argued that images of kids sprinting from tear gas run counter to American ideals.
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For all his bluster Trump never pushes to the core issue.

Just say it Trumpy, “Separate nations”.

All these leftists, Democrats, never Trumper Jews endlessly whining. Fine. You can have your borderless rainbow hued utopia. I–and millions of others like me–just want to live in America.

Say it Trump, “Separate nations” … and sit back and listen to them squeal like stuck pigs.

You know, a clever Republican politician in CA (yeah, I know) might publicly press the issue about allowing a certain number of Honduran refugees take residence at the governor’s mansion in Sacramento, or Meathead’s mansion in Malibu.

The now infamous photo of the plump woman with three children running from the evil gringos lobbing what I read was pepper gas is curious for several reasons apart from possibly being a wag the dog scenario by the Leftist organizers. There’s at least two “babies” in diapers but they look to be at least three years of age or more and the mother wearing the Frozen shirt looks pretty old to be the mama of them. Also none appear brighter than the rocks the others were hurling but I suppose as long as they can find the Democrat on the ballot that’s all that matters.

All army recruits used to be subject to exposed to CS gas during basic training. It was kinda a right of passage to “survive” the gas chamber. You were marched in wearing gas masks and stood in rows of about six guys. The front row was ordered to remove their masks to get the full effects of the gas and then allowed to escape after about a minute. Then the next row stepped up, and so on, until the entire company had been gassed.

It was done to prove to recruits that their gas masks worked to protect them and that lesson absolutely hit home. Everybody thought they could “man up” and take the gas but your body has other ideas. Your eyes and throat burn. Some guys puke involuntary. Everybody bit of mucus in your head finds itself dripping down your face. Then you run out that door as fast as you can when allowed.

But it’s temporary and harmless. After a few minutes of fresh air, you feel fine and are laughing at the next line of screaming wimps running out the door flapping their arms.

“Video of a mob of Central American juvenile delinquents breaking into U.S. territory only to be sent fleeing back south of the border by pepper spray and tear gas has outraged our moral betters.”

You mean this necessary action outraged a segment of the American population. To quote a prominent Alt Right leader, “It looks like we’re about to find out whether President Trump proves worthy of the trust Americans have placed in him or if he’s going to cuck like every American president since Eisenhower.”

Shotguns are banned by Geneva conventions? If you can believe Oliver Stone they were used by the US military in Vietnam. Kevin Dillon’s character, Bunny, uses one in the final battle scene. Didn’t help him much, though.

I have read that during WWI the German army let it be known that if they captured an American or British soldier wielding a shotgun they would be executed on the spot.

Folks are acting as though we had no choice but to use tear gas at our border. But we have known about this group approaching for weeks. We could have had buses and agents ready to process people in an orderly and humane way. Instead, Trump closed the border and gassed them.

Here is a video of the US military’s active denial system which is a non-lethal weapon. Here is a brief description:

The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military. It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter primarily used for crowd control (the “goodbye effect”).

You’d have made a better case by pointing out that the Geneva Conventions basically require FMJ rounds by banning expanding and exploding bullets, while the exigencies of police work essentially ban FMJ rounds and necessitate the use of expanding or frangible bullets. AFAIK, shotguns are perfectly legal weapons of war.

Why doesn’t the US offer to fly them all to Israel. It’s a wealthy democratic country and because Jews are so very, very aware of being deprived, second-class citizens (or un-citizens) in the past, they should welcome all these displaced Central Americans.

Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

So the WaPo is stating that combat is occurring at the border, that the ban on tear gas is relevant because it is warfare.

Perhaps more targeted and lethal means should be utilized, given this claim…

All army recruits used to be subject to exposed to CS gas during basic training.

I went through the CS training during infantry school. However, I was under the impression that the CS gas used by the military was stronger than tear gas used by the police. Is that true? And if so did the border patrol use CS or a weaker tear gas?

But it’s temporary and harmless.

Actually CS gas can linger in your clothing and give you a bad reaction several hours after being gassed. When I went through the CS gassing, I did not change my clothes right away since I was still in the field. We marched back to the barracks later that day. Somebody came up to me and patted me on the back to ask how did I like the training? A puff of CS residue came out of my clothing and caused me to start tearing up again just like hours earlier.

At no point has the media attempted to explain why letting in massive numbers of unskilled and uneducated people who do not speak our language is a value-add proposition for 21st century America. Or perhaps why if huge numbers of such people desire to leave their homeland for ours, it’s our duty to oblige them.

They still do this (for the Air Force anyway). Sadly, they conveyed a rather different lesson in my case. First, my mask was an old piece of junk that failed to seal. Even better, one of the trainees didn’t speak English (at least not well), thus keeping us in the gas chamber much longer than intended. A fine microcosm of things to come.

The leftist elite of this country must be fought and destroyed with any means necessary, including using the left’s own assumptions against them. Trump should weaponize Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing against the left and decree that all cities must be forcibly racially integrated within city limits. This will break the political coherence of the great Democratic cities as white liberals are forced to actually live side by side with large numbers of their favorite pet causes like blacks and illegal immigrants.

Chemical weapons such as CS gas are indiscriminate and “uniquely terrorizing in their application,” which necessitated their ban in combat in 1993, said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Washington-based Arms Control Association.

Does anyone else see a pattern of the media painting any of Trumps enforcement actions as combat?

Now we know why Gavin appeared so distracted and emotionally absent when he and Brown met with Trump about the Paradise fires. I’d had the initial impression he was worried about his hair Product, but turns out, he was distracted about how to respond when the caravan gets to the border.

And that’s in an enclosed room filled with CS. The immigrants were in the open air. You just run a little ways out of the area of the gas. It’s not much fun if you breathe some in or it gets in your eyes but its not that bad.

Mr. Sulu is a senile asshole. Doesn’t even write his own tweets. At least William Shatner does, or at least, supervises his assistant closely while he does it.

I’ve had little respect for him ever since he complained that Shatner demanded he be ‘demoted’ from captain after Star Trek 2 or 3. Rather than saying ‘wow, I’m a has been flaming asian who’s just happy to have work,’ he stabs the star in the back. I think pretty much all of the secondary cast of the show/movies did that, though.

He does, however, speak passable spanish from some clips I’ve seen. Not that that has anything to do with anything.

AD you cannot believe they would leave us alone. They need the food we produce. They need the stability we provide. They need our intelligence, insights and ingenuity. But most of all, they need us so that they we can provide the face that they stamp on forever.

How’s a jogging Becky able defend herself if the idiots in Congress outlaw pepper spray?

I say we pepper spray George Takei. Then we pretend he came from Burma and send him back where he came from. And we tell the Burmese that George is a Muslim. Then we pepper spray George one more time for good measure.

Agree about the photo. And all the videos show pretty well fed, clothed, and equipped people; owning pretty new clothes and backpacks. The optics aren’t so good, but I guess it’s close enough to fit the narrative.

A group of about 100 people trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico, federal officials said.

This says the “babies” in diapers are five year old twins! Great toilet training and mothering skills they have in Honduras. The aged mother of five says she only wants to “survive” with her children. So what’s stopping her, Mexico has opened their arms to them but she spurns them for El Norte Sugar Daddy who she thinks will buy plenty of diapers for her “babies”.

You’ve heard Rob Reiner gets his leftist NIMBY dander up each time a Whole Foods tries to locate in his neck of the woods, Malibu?

Well, my fantasy is that we rent a caravan of Greyhounds, load up the rowdies of the Nicaraguan “migrants” and dump them in Malibu Colony. That’s the easier of the two parts to my fantasy. The other part is that a Home Depot suddenly appears across from Reiner’s gated residence as do the migrants in the parking lot.

Shotguns are not banned for military use, but they are of limited utility in war. They are either used as very short range but very lethal “trench guns” or for specialized purposes with specialized ammo usually not available for civilian sale. You can not buy nonlethal rounds, door breaching rounds, et al, not because they are illegal (in most cases) but because pwoduct wiability. I guess if you shot someone with ‘nonlethal’ rubber or plastic shot and killed, maimed or crippled him he could sue you and the ammo company. Reloaders load up all kinds of oddball rounds for their amusement, of course.

To give one a good idea of how useful shotguns are in general warfare, or to would be revolutionaries, in Soviet Russia shotguns and shells were widely available. GUM sold them. I knew people over in Russia in the 60s and 70s who bought those Baikal double shotguns and brought them home because you could get them in the hard currency shops for ridiculously low prices.

Basically the shotgun is devastating at very short range with most any ammo, but at longer ranges only lethal against humans with slugs or buckshot, and even then “longer” is relative. To get better range than a flintlock smoothbore musket you need a rifled, slug barrel with sights. The slugs must be matched to the particular barrel for good accuracy.

Given the population of Honduras increases by ~150,000 a year, they could easily send 30 5000 person caravans a year–2 and one half a month FOREVER. Then there’s Nicaragua and Guatemala. I guess most of the Salvadorans are here already.

in ROTC officer training too. some people are more or less sensitive, so they’ll make you take stand there and take deep breaths until you’re coughing and wheezing like the the rest of us pansies. you’re supposed to flap your arms to help dissipate the effects, but i think that was a trick they played on us to make us look even stupider. i recall barfing on the OIC’s feet in my blindness as i left the tent.

100% agree. I’m somewhat more sympathetic to our co-religionists (but the sheer numbers overwhelm my sympathies, it seems), but the first question I have when I’m told not to fear all the muslim immigrants being imported to my neighborhood is “what’s the upside?”

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Today shotguns are still part of U.S. and NATO arsenals. The U.S. Marine Corps fields both the Mossberg 500 series pump shotgun , 590 series shotgun, and M1014 semi-automatic shotguns . The U.S. Army, is replacing Mossberg 500 series shotguns with the new M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System, or MASS . A bolt action, magazine fed shotgun, the M26 can be used along with a shoulder stock or attached under the barrel of an M4 carbine. Even the German Army has done an about-face on shotguns, issuing the Remington 870 Police Magnum to airborne engineer and special operations troops.

Military shotguns are an invaluable part of twenty-first-century arsenals. As limited as the shotgun is, it can do things traditional military firearms cannot. The military shotgun can bust doors, destroy obstacles, cow prisoners of war, deploy tear gas, and unleash a devastating pattern of lead shot with a single pull of the trigger. Until the day these missions go away, shotguns are here to stay.

… The U.S. military was the only major power to use shotguns in World War I, issuing a modified Winchester Model 1897, known officially as the Model 1917 Trench Shotgun. (Remington Model 12 and other commercially available shotguns were also issued to the American Expeditionary Force.) The so-called “trench gun” version of the 1897 shortened the barrel to make it easier to wield in close quarters and added a heat shield to prevent accidental handling of a hot barrel.

The German government decried the use of shotguns as inhumane, stating, “The German Government protests against the use of shotguns by the American Army and calls attention to the fact that according to the law of war, every U.S. prisoner of war found to have in his possession such guns or ammunition belonging thereto forfeits his life. This protest is based upon article 23(e) of the Hague convention respecting the laws and customs of war on land.”

Law of War has never consistently meant anything and most forms of it (ie, these supposedly sacred Geneva conventions) bind mutual signatories when fighting each other, not everyone on the planet in every context forever. A lot of “journalism” on this topic would be lost if we subtracted everything that was apparently written by a Sovereign Citizen.

The only difference between the NYTimes and a party organ like Pravda in the old USSR is that everybody in the old Soviet Union knew Pravda for what it was – the Party line, extreme leftist propaganda. Most Americans, on the other hand, are convinced that big, main stream news outlets are telling the truth. Trump is a dangerous buffoon put in place by Vladimir Putin. Period. End of story. The rebuff of any given person from South America at our southern border is morally identical to turning away Jewish refugees who fled the Nazis. Period. End of story. Trump isn’t Hitler – YOU are.

You’ll never convince these people to come over to our side. I know, because I used to be one of them.

The Democrats are winning and all they need is a stalemate on immigration. Sooner or later, we’ll get too tired or too old, and they’ll do a deal that gives amnesty and citizenship to the 25 million illegals already here. I wouldn’t be surprised if the House and the never-Trumpers in the Senate plus Dems are ready to vote on it right now. And then they’ll put “refugees” by the millions from every god-forsaken sh*thole country on earth right in your town, and force you to tax yourself to pay their way.

Oh, crap, it’s late at night and I’ve been posting again. Time for bed.

Search for “W. Hays Parks” + shotgun … he was a lawyer who wrote a nice article about the history of this small controversy for the Department of the Army in 1997 (?). Executive summary: The use of shotguns and shotgun ammunition doesn’t, and never has been held to, violate the law of war.

Jesus Jumped-Up Christ on His Throne: None of these invaders is from South America. Look at a damned globe some time, will you?!

Hell, I’ll spell it out: South America includes Venezuela, Brasil, Colombia, Peru, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Ecuador, Guyana, French Guiana, Suriname, and a few goofy and insular places of no account I may be omitting. One can make a case the southern portions of Panama are part of South America. Several of these places are quite nice and brimming with civilised members of the European diaspora. (Admittedly, others are shitholes.)

Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Belize, Panama, Costa Rica, Haiti, Cuba, and most of the other Caribbean nations – shitholes to greater or lesser degrees one and all – are, along with the F.U.S.A. and Canadia, in North America.

I’m way past arguing with Sen. Schatz and other assorted idiots about whether or not it’s ok to use tear gas. Just ask them how they would secure the borders. Let *them* give *us* a plan that *we* can tear apart as ridiculous, unworkable, and inhumane (to Americans entitled to our own country). They need to tell us how they would secure our borders in a way that doesn’t just involve letting everyone in and legalizing them.

And I’ve already posted this on like three other threads, but I will repeat myself:

United States: 3.8 million square miles
Latin America: 7.4 million square miles

Why does a group of people that already controls twice as much territory as the United States feel it has the right to move here and take our land, too?

In the gas chamber the sergeant told us to take off our masks. Me, being an idiot, did it right away. We were supposed to say somesuch (I forget) before you could go out, and of course the idiots in front couldn’t remember whatever simple phrase it was.

Being the first out of my mask and the fourth or fifth in line, it got to me. I finally barreled past the sergeant at the door, shoulder checking him. I was expecting a lot of hell from it but nothing was said.

Also, there were guys (DIs mostly) who’d been exposed enough that it didn’t have a discernible effect on them.

About 60% of Puerto Ricans, who have an “open border” with the US, have chosen to live here. So, sixty percent is a good working estimate. There are about 500,000,000 people living south of the United States. Once open borders are achieved we can expect 60% x 500,000,000 = 300,000,000 people to come here from South America. Better get ready.

Your math is correct but not your other assumptions.

The GDP of Puerto Rico (pop. 3.3 million) is about 1/3rd the GDP of all of Central America (pop. 47 million). Puerto Rico’s economy is propped up with massive subsidies from the American taxpayer. It’s per capita income is $38,000, versus just $4,800 for Central America and $9,600 for Mexico.

IOW, given a fully open border a far higher percentage of Latin Americans would come here. 60% is too low. And the population of Latin America is 640 million. So it could easily be 450 million people just from Latin America. I hope Sen. Schatz and Kysten Sinema have plenty of spare bedrooms. They may need to give up their walk-in closets and their S&M dungeons, as well.

Of course all that assumes that the country wouldn’t get worse as more people poured in. When would they stop flooding in? When the United States was only slightly better than the *worst* country on earth (Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, El Salvador, wherever). Now that’s something to look forward to.

It is a winter-swept afternoon in January 1969, the thermometer dangling in the mid-30s in Cambridge, Mass. A Harvard University graduate student named James Humphries hustles up the stairs to the top floor of an apartment building two blocks from Harvard Square.

His friend and classmate Jane Britton was a no-show at an important exam that morning. The phone just rang and rang when he called to check in, a police report would later document. With his knocks now going unanswered at the gold-painted door leading into the $75-a-month apartment Britton shares with a pet cat and turtle, he tries the handle. It’s unlocked.

It was not like Britton to skip a test. The daughter of a Radcliffe College administrator and medieval history scholar, she graduated magna cum laude from Radcliffe and dove into advanced studies in Harvard’s anthropology department. Two years into her post-grad work, the 23-year-old had recently returned from an archaeological dig in Iran. Friends would later describe her to the New York Times as an accomplished equestrian, a musician who revered Bach, and a witty woman who enjoyed the black comedy of novelist Kurt Vonnegut. A line from the author’s 1959 “The Sirens of Titan” was her favorite quotation: “I was the victim of a series of accidents, as are we all.”

In other words the ‘right of property’ meaning essentially the exclusivity of possession of tangible assets, to the complete exclusion of all and any other persons, is, more or less, the fount and foundation of all civilized life.

The reality of the open borders crowd, The Economist etc, is that they simply do not recognise the ‘right of property’ of the territory of the USA as pertaining to the citizens of the USA.

It really is as plain and simple as that.

But, oh, woe betide the pipsqueak who dares to suggest that George Soros doesn’t have exclusivity of possession of *his* assets.

Tear gas was used because rocks were thrown — those who did not throw rocks were also affected.

The main problem with the Trump presidency is that he has little moral authority — of course this is largely due to the unfair way the media portrays/vilifies him — still it is so.

Unfortunate and avoidable scenes like these will not help that.

Trump's problem is that his stupidity and bombast turn off suburban, educated Whites. And despite his popular rallies, how many working class Whites are demoralized by the fact that their lives are simply not getting better, while Trump is out bragging about the stock market?

Jesus, man, the one POTUS who has EVER stood ANY ground on this issue, this issue that previous Presidents have run from, and you call it “bluster{? He’s taken the slings and arrows from a global media aligned against him since that first primary; he’s withstood a continuous attempted coup run by former and present bureaucrats of this government and bunch of spooks for this and several other countries working for their global masters, and you call it “bluster.” What’s a guy gotta do?

I’m surprised that newer non-lethals haven’t been more widely adopted for border enforcement.

Just like in war, the tactics are changing. Caravans are a new tactic. There should be a new counter-tactic, more squarely aimed at crowd control. Personally, I rather like the idea of those microwave machines on trucks that can be pointed towards crowds and hit the nerve endings just right to cause pain without doing any real damage, though I imagine there might be some stampeding.

If you’re saying that the situation is even worse than my depressed midnight imaginings, I accept your corrections.

I wish I could believe that I’m just making the same mistakes that my many liberal friends make: they only read one side of the story, their confirmation bias means they’ll never see anything but their own point of view, they’ll never talk with anyone who isn’t fully in agreement with them.

My biggest problem with my point of view is that it’s defeatist. I’ll probably live long enough to see it happen, and I don’t want to, but I can’t see any way around it.

I was thinking last night that we needed some billionaire to buy up enough media properties to create a new network that could accurately portray events. Then I woke up this morning, and I see that President Trump wants to create a US Government news station.

Alyssa Milano (who she? she was in Confessions of a Sorority Girl. Good times! I lolled at “Tina went to Tijuana for an abortion, but she was too afraid to go through with it. Not knowing what to do with her future, she bursts out in tears.”) is unhappy:

You tear-gassed women and children, asswipe! And on Thanksgiving weekend, you piece of shit, asshole, motherfucking, evil-creature-person!! https://t.co/ngaAlnhWa0

— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) November 26, 2018

If you are grievously attacked by the womenandchildren in the street, don’t complain, you Becky you!

The 29-year-old self-described Democratic Socialist referred to the hundreds of migrants attempting to rush the border at the San Ysidro port of entry in San Diego, California, on Sunday, saying the migrants are no different from the Jews who fled persecution in Nazi Germany.

The gimmick of making us sing “Anchors Aweigh,” “The Marine Corps Hymn,” etc. (songs match the service of course) was to ensure no wise-ass is holding his breath (I knew some BUDS candidates who were part dolphin in their abilities to hold their breath…).

For our current scenario, 4th and goal at the border line, there is the old standby: rock salt in the shotgun shells. It’s not good for much, but it will shoo people away from a few yards. If trespassers are stubborn, however, there will be injuries.

A Naval Academy graduate told me that Marine cadets there are required to stand at attention any time they hear the “Marine’s Hymm.” You know, “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli… ” etc.

At events like football games, therefore, the guys in the Navy band make sure to start into the song as often as they can. It’s pretty funny with those Marines being forced to stand up and sit down, over and over, in front of the crowd.

FWIW my old neighbor was a retired Jewish guy who served in the Marines in the 1960s before riding the train for thirty years to Wall Street. One day while smoking cigars with him in his backyard, I asked him if he was treated any differently as a Marine back then because he was Jewish. He told me no, in no uncertain terms. There was no prejudice, no difference between him and any other Marine.

BTW this comment should go to Derb, and the one I posted for Derb should have gone to you. Oh well, they’re both in the same thread, so I hope you both read them.

Mexico has no intention of supporting US immigration laws or the enforcement thereof.

They never should have gotten into Mexico, muchless reached the US border. The low level war to retake the southern US continues unabated. And while it sounds extreme, one might want to read the La Rosa Charter.

With the added irony that they aren’t fleeing oppression, they’re fleeing themselves… and wherever they go, there they are. They want the benefits of a society they are incapable of creating or even maintaining, and wherever they go in significant numbers that society will cease to exist.

Same problem with Blacks. Shelley vs. Kraemer wasn’t a victory for human rights, it was the opening shot in the genocide of White America.

I hope they’ve fixed that broken fence by now. I was wondering why they weren’t storming the fenceless border crossings in the AZ desert, now that a fucking Obama judge has struck down Trump’s EO to only allow asylum at entry points, and Trump still hasn’t appealed. Then I realized it’s because they came by bus, there are no roads leading the to the desert crossings, these invaders would have to walk through a treacherous desert, too much trouble! George Soros and the Catholic church want them to invade via the easiest way possible.

California is in store for more fun with Greasy Gavin and his creepy wife. Both are imbued with Bay Area elite liberalism, which means things are going to get worse for whites and the middle class in this state.

The solution is for the US Army Corp of Engineers to start building a anti-personnel reinforced chain link fence smothered in concertina wire, asap. It does not have to look pretty, just make it like the one Hungary put up or that surrounds any mid-level security prison. Israel’s fence cost $2-3 million per mile.

Trump can start today building the access road that will parallel the fence and then a second fence can be built on the other side of the road once the first one is complete. Build it the same way the Trans-Siberian railroad was built starting at both ends as well as various points along the middle. dig a trench on the outsides of the fences and create a berm so cars cannot ram through and you have a fence that is 99% effective.

Concertina wire is the answer. It would be cheap, quick, and super effective; particularly against old fat women with three kids in tow.

By the way, from the looks of things there were a lot of 18+ year old males in that video. Lots of ‘em! 18-30 year-old types with no dinero in their pockets and a lot of time on their hands tend to make mischief. Hey, that’s just what America needs–more 18+ year old males with lots and lots of time on their hands and not even two nickels to rub together.

In my worst moments in tend to agree. But wouldn’t it be better to treat it as a open question still, as to whether we are too old and tired to fight? Maybe we aren’t. Maybe I don’t want old tired people deciding that.

I can recall when the eventual triumph of the USSR was a given, too, because of our decadence.

In the eyes of the United States Marine Corps, there are only two types of people in the world. There are Marines, and there is everyone else. We do make an exception, in that we divide everyone else into two subcategories, a. United States citizens and be. Everyone else everyone else.

Trump’s problem is that his stupidity and bombast turn off suburban, educated Whites.

I think everyone understands that politicians have to reduce their public statements to 5th grade comprehension level for effective mass communication, but there also needs to be a more complex underlying strategy than the simple slogans, such as diplomatic or regional initiatives to deal with the underlying problems in Central America. After all the US is not slow to interfere in the Middle East, so why not on its doorstep where there are failed states in the New World?

To the majority of White female voters, that Guatemalan immavasion looks just like more cheap Uber drivers. THAT is our major problem.

Maybe you haven’t been following the Great Becky Scandal – it’s pretty much now part of the landscape – but those white women are the last best hope for we deplorables yearning to breathe free. According to every major “news” organization and publication in the former Christendom, we’d all be basking in the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind were it not for the goose-stepping villainy of the Hitler-heiling honeys who crudely disguise their adoration of all things Adolf as “patriotism”, and who vote that way – or at least, just enough of them did to keep the wolf on the other side of the door.

I know, I know – I’m not buying it either. Still, the openly-displayed utter contempt for white women is the kind of thing that can only backfire on our (((friends))) – incidentally, I use the triple-parentheses whenever whites demonize other whites simply for being white, since we all know what sort of “white people” choose chaotic moments like this to proudly reject their own Caucasian appearance as a cruel trick of fate. (The very same “white people” who, when it all goes ass-over-teakettle, will elbow you and me out of the way to proudly announce that not only were they white all along, why their forefathers had fought proudly for the Kaiser and the Confederacy!)

I mostly agree, and I defer to you as a marine, but I find a third category of “everyone else” (or maybe even part of “marines” via some dispensation) are those of us with either a trident or one of these:

“Sawed-off shotguns”, that is, shotguns with a barrel length less that 18 inches, are heavily regulated for civilian ownership in the US. Buying one requires a special tax stamp, like an automatic weapon or short-barreled rifle.

Not a former marine, but IME US Marines tend to include as comrades members of the British Royal Marines and US Navy Hospital Corpsmen.

The Budweiser, of course, has the same effect on Marines as everyone else : only astronaut wings or “the button” come close. Most healthy young men could become Marines if they want it bad enough, but you have to be a different kind of person altogether to get the Budweiser. If you don’t have really good genes and an iron will you are not getting through BUD/S. I never could have done it. But I know I could have been a Marine if I’d wanted to : Marine boot isn’t all that much worse then Army AIT infantry school, it is faster paced and scarier. But in Marine (and all other) boot camps you either meet the standard or you don’t, and if you do, it is not that bad. In things like BUD/S, they will break you no matter how buff you are, and the superfit are usually the first ones to DOR. If you go to Parris Island already superfit, able to shoot, and are not given to running your mouth, it isn’t particularly traumatic, but they tell me the sand fleas make it uncomfortable.

A “trench gun” or “riot gun” is a shotgun, generally pump action, with a fairly short , unchoked (cylinder bore) barrel, and sometimes simple sights. May also have a bayonet lug. I think the 18″ minimum barrel length of the 1934 National Firearms Act was adopted because as it happened that was the length the militery specified for their WW1 orders. Shorter barreled shotguns, such as the Merkel Game Getter and the Ithaca Auto-Burglar gun, were in civilian sale but were uncommon then. But millions of surplus trench guns were out there.

Shorter barreled shotguns are Title II NFA weapons, with a couple of exceptions. There are handguns that chamber both the .45 Long Colt and the .410 shot shell, but as long as the bore is rifled, this is okay. There is also a kind of mare-shank looking shotgun that falls under a more careful reading of the NFA and seems to be tolerated by BATFE as a Title 1 firearm, but some states do not agree: see the Mossberg Shockwave.

The US Marshals Service is especially fond of 20 gauge short barreled shotguns as concealable defense weapons for witness protection. The Secret Service prefers the Uzi SMG.

In my opinion a minimum-legal-length (Title 1) 20 or 28 gauge shotgun is in fact a good choice for home defense for those who are not going to devote a lot of time to firearm training, but for those willing to put in moderate effort, a 6 shot revolver, DA only, in a cartridge with .45 ACP ballistics (i.e., .44 Spl, .45 LC, .45 ACP/AutoRim) is probably better- and for the reasonably well trained nothing beats a 1911, well set up.

I’ve long felt that if the long gun industry could make a lever or pump gun capable of interchangeably feeding .410 and .45 LC shells it would be a good thing for people in anti-handgun jurisdictions where long guns could be still had. It would have to be capable of firing .454 Casull or .460 S&W cartridges since those would chamber as well, of course.

That figure of 72% of white female democrats who, in 2015, supported the role of government in creating economic equality for minorities belies the far more important trend of the past 25-30 years, which is that whites have been running away from the Democratic Party like a female office worker from a schizophrenic dumpster dweller covered in shît pursuing her down the street for change for another bottle of Boone’s Farm. In either 2020 or 2024, whites for the first time in the history of the Democratic Party will be a minority of their votes. After minoritization, this departure will accelerate with the stripping of power from Democratic white politicians, except for those whites willing to lick the boots of Democrats who despise their white privilege, like the Millennials and a few Boomer cat ladies represented in that figure, who as white voters will continue to shrink as their own views degenerate further. White flight is not the only reason for the hemmoraging of whites from the left. The demographic effects of decades of mass immigration is.

Our press is a disgrace. I’ve totally tuned out the MSM. A lot of my right-wing buddies are apoplectic with rage about what’s going on. When we speak on the phone they just rant. It can’t be good for their health. I try to detach myself emotionally from the fate of my country so I can get through what’s left of my life with some peace of mind.

…so why not on its doorstep where there are failed states in the New World?

I answered you before but unfortunately via the unz.com server crash my comment was lost.

In this context it is not necessary to “interfere” at all (and ‘interference’ is in general undesirable) — simply declare every country in Central America a ‘safe’ country for asylum purposes, which is not at all unreasonable — an overabundance of poverty and ordinary criminality has never been, is not now, and cannot ever be grounds for asylum — this would accomplish all of the following: 1) expedite denying the asylum claims and removing the people from the US; 2) the US would formally fulfill its legal obligations under the asylum and refugee treaty; 3) it would pressure Mexico to stop future caravans, which at the moment under international law they are not obligated to do.

At the same time, the US should, ASAP, pursue a third party ‘safe country’ agreement with Mexico — this would obligate any future ‘caravaners’ to apply for asylum in Mexico — and thereby, for all practical purposes, eliminate the possibility of any future ‘caravans’.

A group of women from the caravan just announced they’re going on a hunger strike in Tijuana to demand immediate Mexican temporary humanitarian visas while they wait for asylum in the US, the US to speed up the asylum process at the border, and stop to deportations of caravaners pic.twitter.com/2yJ6iIhjID

I think you didn’t notice the ‘other’ brown wave that has been coming in through ‘legal’ immigration these past few decades [hint. look at tech]

Those people are being brought to replace us in the upper echelons of the diminishing industry while the hispanics are being brought to replace the white proles [and I'd say even the blacks]

So don’t just assume they’d let us steer the industry or allow us just to Be. They want white serfs. The hindoos already dream of an utopia where the whites would lick their boots [perhaps due to being humiliated at the hands of the british. As browns they conflate all whites with brits]. After kicking almost everyone outta tech [I know. I work in tech], they think it is doable and are gleefuly looking forward to it [in canada it's even worse].

So when you merely focus on the brown hordes over at tijuana [or brownsville], you forget we are also being colonized by a different brown people who are a lot more cunning, deceitful and hateful ala redmond (wa), richardson (tx) and edison (nj). On top of that, they’ve got a lobby up in Dc as well. Most gainfully employed whites get too lost on tho joes and raymundos to forget about the rajesh’s who will prove to be FAR more deadly in the long run

I worked in the big college environment, then left. Dems won’t leave big state supported organizations; it’s the closest thing to socialism you can get in America.

When I came out in favor of Trump, I think it’s 50/50 my wife would have divorced me, no sh*t. (That’s why you marry a woman who is unalterably opposed to divorce.)

My wife has friends who have listened to my quaint ideas sbout listening to views that don’t agree perfectly with your own. They think that I’m a Nazi, a real jackbooted Brownshirt who dreams of ovens, and they will have nothing to do with me.

The fine university that I attended, that actually cherished western values, taught my own children PC attitudes, and if they were told to do it, they would turn me in to the secret police.

The social cost for a Democrat to change sides is just too high. Imagine that everyone you know over decades of apparent friendship now thinks you’re a despicable subhuman racist monster. That’s what I live with.

I’ll be honest, there are times when I feel like that guy in the Matrix who took the red pill but sometimes wishes he could have a real steak. I miss human companionship.

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It could also be not a single individual occupying a single ancestor-slot 8 generations back but several lines of lesser amounts.
One scenario: Ten generations ago, 5 of her 1,024 ancestor-slots were occupied by people who carried some Amerindian, with these five averaging 71% Amerindian each. ...

This is probably because you've seen them a dozen times and because every director since has copied techniques that Welles invented, so they seem commonplace now. When you look at the Mona Lisa it's hard to see what the big deal is too, because it's been spoiled by over-familiarity.
Young We...

Manhattan was a gorgeous movie to watch but yeah, really creepy. Unfortunately art often seems to be made by skeevy characters. The great Renaissance painter Caravaggio was so degenerate he was eventually murdered by people who had finally had enough of him.
I also enjoyed Chinatown when it fir...

The brightest women are not as bright or fast on their feet as the brightest men but they tend to make up for it by being more organized and prepared. We saw this in the debates where Hillary had memorized pat answers to every possible question and Trump would just go out there and wing it.
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The LA Opera recently performed Phillip Glass’s opera about Gandhi’s early years in South Africa when he led the resistance to the abridgment of civil rights for South Asians. I had a hard time keeping a straight face since the libretto made it out to be a struggle for equality for all people...

The last writer at National Review that I enjoyed was Florence King, and when she left, or was quietly terminated, the magazine had little to offer me. When it began tub-thumping for the Iraq invasion, which I knew would be a disaster, I unsubscribed. After that I got a form letter from William F...

Statutory rape only applies to 16 year olds
The age of consent varies by state between 16 and 18:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States
In addition, some states have "Romeo and Juliet" ( close in age) exceptions.

Not mentioned: the Parkland shooting was 100% preventable, but was brought about by Broward County Sherriff Scott Israel refusing to enforce the law regarding known problem child Nick Cruz so that he could Obamize his numbers in line with the Tolerate Minority Crime idea.Not to mention the FBI ig...

delaying an Obama-era rule to prevent disproportionate numbers of minority children from being funneled into special education classes.
Procrustes strikes again. All human groups must be made to fit his bed and if they don't fit they must be stretched or chopped accordingly.
I hadn't hear...

OT - Looks like Trump is backing down on the wall. Or at least on shutting down the government. I don't think this is going to help him. He has threatened to shut down the government repeatedl,y and for the third time this year will back down on that threat.

If this thread is a confession session, I, also was a Libertarian, of the von Mises persuasion.
The non-aggression is sound. It is universalizable. The problem is that most self-denominated "libertarians" do not accept the NAP or its corollaries.

"Has there ever been a high profile director that made so many bad movies and got a pass?"
It might because his movies are pretty cheap to make. It's usually just him going around his usual haunts with a camera, script and a young actress or two. As a business proposition, the studios can aff...

Why then have we suffered blatant disregard for these rulings for so long?
Because the Left believes in equality of results and will fight rear guard actions wherever and whenever they can (by executive order, by cabinet dept. rule making, by "Dear Colleague" letters, etc.) and until their de...

When I was younger, I thought that WWII had put vicious ethnic strife to rest forever. I was naive. Sadly, for instance, there are increasingly prominent Jews bent on proving Hitler right, and they seem completely un-self-aware.
Glad to hear you did your part to stem the tide, BTW. Any tip...

I was going to mention that parody. I never read the book, but I can remember that title after 45 years.Do you remember Laraine Newman on SNL playing a child psychologist who is actually a child? Her books included I'm Five, You're Five and Now We're All Six. That's the parody I recall.

Yeah, I grant you the Amish, but I was trying to think of urban white populations that procreate, in line with Jack D's remark that cities have historically been population sinks. The Amish are high-TFR but not urban. Even the Mormons are more of a suburban population. As AnotherDad suggests, ...

I too looked up Schumann's Kinderszenen on the occasion of your original comment, and was disappointed by what was online. Maybe you could post a better rendition? Or tell me where to find it and I'll post it.