Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Did you listen to the music? He's beyond talented. He's one of the few guitarist that can use a killswitch with skill (Tom Morello does too, but not near to the ability of Buckethead). He's got incredible reach with his fingers making it possible to do extreme stretching from frets.

The bucket is part of his persona, along with the expressionless mask. It used to to a KFC bucket with the words "funeral" scrawled across it, but they took him to court. It's about the music, not the musician.

I've never understood this debate. It's like trying to argue that Jerry Rice wasn't the best NFL WR of all time. The man did things with the guitar that people have been unsuccessfully trying to recreate since he croaked.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

I've never understood this debate. It's like trying to argue that Jerry Rice wasn't the best NFL WR of all time. The man did things with the guitar that people have been unsuccessfully trying to recreate since he croaked.

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To come off a s a complete and utter homer, Couldn't an argument be made for Paul Warfield to be in talks of GOAT?

and I'm certainly not dissing on Rice, dude is one of my favorites of all time next to Randy Moss for receiver.

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Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Devil's Advocate: Hendrix was an innovator, no question, without him music sounds totaly different than it does today. But there are more talented guitarists today, people who took what Hendrix laid down and expanded on it. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, SRV, can all do what Hendrix did on the guitar and more.

I love Hendrix, he was more musically influential than anyone other than Robert Johnson, more than Beatles, more than The Rolling Stones, more than anybody. On pure talent alone, he is not the best ever, top 5 for sure.

The Jerry Rice argument doesn't work, Hendrix's body of work was cut short in his prime, Rice played well past his prime.

That's why I picked Buckethead, he's an innovator and a superb song writer, not just a soloist.

I've never understood this debate. It's like trying to argue that Jerry Rice wasn't the best NFL WR of all time. The man did things with the guitar that people have been unsuccessfully trying to recreate since he croaked.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Devil's Advocate: Hendrix was an innovator, no question, without him music sounds totaly different than it does today. But there are more talented guitarists today, people who took what Hendrix laid down and expanded on it. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, SRV, can all do what Hendrix did on the guitar and more.

I love Hendrix, he was more musically influential than anyone other than Robert Johnson, more than Beatles, more than The Rolling Stones, more than anybody. On pure talent alone, he is not the best ever, top 5 for sure.

The Jerry Rice argument doesn't work, Hendrix's body of work was cut short in his prime, Rice played well past his prime.

That's why I picked Buckethead, he's an innovator and a superb song writer, not just a soloist.

That's like saying a freshly minted Physicist from MIT is a better scientist than Einstein or Newton. Of course people who come later can do more, they are building on what has already been accomplished.

I know more about pizza than you. Much more in fact. - Cerebral_DownTime

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Devil's Advocate: Hendrix was an innovator, no question, without him music sounds totaly different than it does today. But there are more talented guitarists today, people who took what Hendrix laid down and expanded on it. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, SRV, can all do what Hendrix did on the guitar and more.

I love Hendrix, he was more musically influential than anyone other than Robert Johnson, more than Beatles, more than The Rolling Stones, more than anybody. On pure talent alone, he is not the best ever, top 5 for sure.

The Jerry Rice argument doesn't work, Hendrix's body of work was cut short in his prime, Rice played well past his prime.

That's why I picked Buckethead, he's an innovator and a superb song writer, not just a soloist.

That's like saying a freshly minted Physicist from MIT is a better scientist than Einstein or Newton. Of course people who come later can do more, they are building on what has already been accomplished.

Right, and I get that, but if we're going to say the people who laid the foundation are the best, then the best ever is Robert Johnson and the other early bluesmen of the early 20th century, If not for them and the chords they created, there would be no Hendrix.

Hendrix was incredible, but could he temelo pick like Buckethead? Could he tap like Vai or Satriani? Those styles weren't coined by Hendrix. His greatness was more than musical it was the influence to make these guitarist today pick up an axe and shred. In terms of that, there are no greater guitarist, only very few equals. But on talent alone, he's not the best.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Devil's Advocate: Hendrix was an innovator, no question, without him music sounds totaly different than it does today. But there are more talented guitarists today, people who took what Hendrix laid down and expanded on it. Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, SRV, can all do what Hendrix did on the guitar and more.

I love Hendrix, he was more musically influential than anyone other than Robert Johnson, more than Beatles, more than The Rolling Stones, more than anybody. On pure talent alone, he is not the best ever, top 5 for sure.

The Jerry Rice argument doesn't work, Hendrix's body of work was cut short in his prime, Rice played well past his prime.

That's why I picked Buckethead, he's an innovator and a superb song writer, not just a soloist.

That's like saying a freshly minted Physicist from MIT is a better scientist than Einstein or Newton. Of course people who come later can do more, they are building on what has already been accomplished.

Right, and I get that, but if we're going to say the people who laid the foundation are the best, then the best ever is Robert Johnson and the other early bluesmen of the early 20th century, If not for them and the chords they created, there would be no Hendrix.

Hendrix was incredible, but could he temelo pick like Buckethead? Could he tap like Vai or Satriani? Those styles weren't coined by Hendrix. His greatness was more than musical it was the influence to make these guitarist today pick up an axe and shred. In terms of that, there are no greater guitarist, only very few equals. But on talent alone, he's not the best.

I would differentiate between greatness arising from talent/artistry and greatness arising from technical skills.

I know more about pizza than you. Much more in fact. - Cerebral_DownTime

I think they're one and the same. I don't think any of the guys I mentioned are any less artistic or talented than Hendrix. They may not light guitars on fire or play with their teeth, but how much of that was drug fueled? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

The pickless wonder is the best guitarist. Mark Knopfler. It's not even close because of the heart. Hendrix is usually the fallback for a lot of people who don't play. Great? Sure. But not the best. Definitely would take Stevie Ray Vaughn and several others over Hendrix. You get overrated when you die tragically and early.

This is a very hard subject to voice an opinion on because everyone has a different criteria to define the best. The most common names have already been mentioned and could all be considered, including L. Buckingham, who I feel is very underrated). Is it just in the rock genre?

Do you consider someone like Chuck Berry who brought a very signature lick and redefined it for the following decade of recording or is he more influential?

a list of guitarists not mentioned yet that could be consideredDuane AllmanBuddy GuyJimmy PageDick DaleSteve VaiBo Diddley

surprised no one has come on here yet screaming how "Slash" should be at the top of the list.(He shouldn't, JMO)

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

I've never understood this debate. It's like trying to argue that Jerry Rice wasn't the best NFL WR of all time. The man did things with the guitar that people have been unsuccessfully trying to recreate since he croaked.

Couldn't have put it any better. At the top of the list for everyone else is Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Oh and Jimmy Page.

Mr. MacPhisto wrote:The pickless wonder is the best guitarist. Mark Knopfler. It's not even close because of the heart. Hendrix is usually the fallback for a lot of people who don't play. Great? Sure. But not the best. Definitely would take Stevie Ray Vaughn and several others over Hendrix. You get overrated when you die tragically and early.

As soon as you said "pickless wonder" I immediately thought of Lindsey Buckingham. Definitely underrated, like you said. Excellent choice that wouldn't normally be made in a thread like this.

Overall, there's no question. (not for the closed minded...)[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxHdWQo5q0&feature=related[/youtube]who needs a rhythm guitarist? or a singer, for that matter?

Others:Randy Rhodes and Angus Young for metalSlash and Eddie van Halen and Jeff LaBar for glamJeff Healey (how could you not root for the guy?)Kenny Wayne Sheppard another great blues guitaristTommy Iommi and Keith Richards, for the most memorable riffsMark Knopfler for setting a moodJoe Walsh for his slide

Tons of great points and opinions here, I think if you come up with something that is really groundbreaking FIRST, you are the man! I think if people take what has been done and expand on that, then they can be great themselves, but if you just keep playing what someone else played, well, you're just a schmuck...like myself!

I also think there are great guitarists in many different types of music, tough to pick just one overall. So here is my list in no particular order-

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I think they're one and the same. I don't think any of the guys I mentioned are any less artistic or talented than Hendrix. They may not light guitars on fire or play with their teeth, but how much of that was drug fueled? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Wake me up when any of them produce something as enduring, moving, and beautiful as what Hendrix did. No doubt they are hugely technically proficient, and if that's how you define it then OK.

I know more about pizza than you. Much more in fact. - Cerebral_DownTime

Buckethead's Soothsayer is as moving and beautiful as anything Hendrix did, JMHO. Enduring? Well time will tell. Hendrix is timeless, no arguing that. Jimi will be just as good 100 years from now. And chances are, this same argument will still taking place.

The bucket is part of his persona, along with the expressionless mask. It used to to a KFC bucket with the words "funeral" scrawled across it, but they took him to court. It's about the music, not the musician.

You can do a an old fogey opinion piece. Write it with a type writer from your rocking chair if you want.

I wear face makeup and fast food containers on my head.

Thus I am fuckin' motzart with an axe.

Don't be a dumb fuck cdt. you are too good.

Good luck with the rag. I did concert reviews for 5 years in the 90s son. Saw a shitload of bands comped. good luck.

I don't know what his message is, I think it has something to do with chickens. But the music is awesome. He could wear a suit and tie and it would still be great. You get over the mask and bucket, it's just what he does.

I've never understood this debate. It's like trying to argue that Jerry Rice wasn't the best NFL WR of all time. The man did things with the guitar that people have been unsuccessfully trying to recreate since he croaked.

Same could be said about a few of the others mentioned as well though Rich.

Page did things with a guitar that still influence young bands, one that hit it big and ones that did not.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

One name that has not been mentioned ye is Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top.Hendrix named him as his favorite guitarist after Gibbon's first band opened for the JHE.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB