In the world of political hypocrisy, Barack Obama and other Democrats have been attacking Mitt Romney for not releasing more of his federal income tax returns than he has. Ironically, both Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who have been quite vocal on the topic, refuse to release any of their tax returns.

Coming to Romneys defense, Donald Trump is advocating that Romney and the rest of the GOP should demand to see Obamas records before Romney should release any more of his. Trump is not referring to Obamas tax returns but to his birth and college records.

Trumps comments were made earlier this week after the revealing press conference with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo, the lead investigator for the Cold Case Posse investigation into Obamas birth certificate. On Tuesday, Arpaio and Zullo released additional information that seems to clearly prove that the birth certificate presented by the White House for Barack Obama was a forgery and that the act of presenting it constitutes fraud.

In response to the press conference, Trump told Sean Hannity that:

The fact is Sheriff Arpaio is, in my opinion, correct. Nobody was ever in the hospital by the name of his mother and a lot of crazy things.

If that were a conservative, lets say a George Bush or somebody, he would have been out of office already.

Nobody has more sealed records than this president. So many of his applications are sealed. He spent $3 million to keep everything sealed. You cant find out anything about his college. Im not talking about his marks. Im talking about his application. It would be so interesting to see.

If you go searching for Obamas college records, you will quickly discover that all of his records from Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard law School have all been sealed. If Trump is right in that Obama has spent $3 million sealing all of his records, it really pours fuel of the fires of conspiracy and makes one wonder what is so damaging in those records to warrant such extreme measures be taken to protect them.

The only thing I can think of that Obama would be so concerned about would be his place of birth listed on his college applications. Is it possible that these documents list someplace other than Hawaii as his place of birth? Is it possible that they, like New York publisher Acton and Dystel, list one Barack Hussein Obama as being born in Kenya?

I just wish we had at least one member of Congress with the courage to investigate Obamas records and even issue a congressional subpoena for those records to see what the president is so afraid of revealing. But alas, it seems that they dont care or have been too intimidated by the powers behind Obama that they are very afraid of launching such an investigation.

In the meantime, what many of us believe to be the greatest fraud in the history of mankind will continue to get away with the crime of the millennia.

Obama was born in Kenya, when it was politically advantageous for him.
When it became an obstacle for his placement in the white house, they had to change that narative.
Now they are busy changing history, and have been since 2007.
Real interesting when images from the “way back machine” show web pages or literature, or other documents that conflicts with the new “story”. They always say that the “person” made a mistake.
Whole lot of mistakes going on around here!!!!!

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posted on 07/25/2012 1:47:58 PM PDT
by 9422WMR
(Life is not fair, just deal with it.)

Were I Romney, I’d tell the msm that I’ll release my tax records when Obama releases his university applications, transcripts, foreign travel history, and social security information. That should have been done in ‘08, but better late than never.

To earn a Magna Cum Laude, a graduate had to have grades in the top 10% of the class (BELOW any who qualify for SUMMA cum laude, which requires nearly perfect grades).

Point being, top grades, right? Nothing at ALL to hide?

Unless, well, what? Unless Obama took wacky left-wing courses? Or maybe AT HARVARD there is nothing to hide, but Obama is concerned that he DOES have something to hide from Occidental/ Columbia (and that releasing the Harvard records alone would seem suspicious).

The only thing I can think of that Obama would be so concerned about would be his place of birth listed on his college applications. Is it possible that these documents list someplace other than Hawaii as his place of birth? Is it possible that they, like New York publisher Acton and Dystel, list one Barack Hussein Obama as being born in Kenya?

Crummy grades aren't reason enough?

Somebody who presents himself as an intellectual and a great mind isn't going to want people to find out most of his college marks were "C"s.

And if a politician can get away without revealing information about himself or herself, they won't divulge the information. The problem for most of them is that they can't get away with it.

Adlai Stevenson also kept his college grades under wraps. Was that because Stevenson, the darling of the intellectuals, pretty much failed out of law school -- or because he gave his birth place as Kenya or Indonesia?

“The only thing I can think of that Obama would be so concerned about would be his place of birth listed on his college applications.”

I’d almost be more interested in seeing who picked up the tab for his (alleged) education. They’re expensive schools. His family wasn’t wealthy, so they couldn’t have paid. He is, in a word, STUPID, so he couldn’t have qualified for a scholarship. WHO THE HELL PAID? I’m sure his financial records are sealed as tightly as his applications and grades.

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posted on 07/25/2012 2:02:13 PM PDT
by MayflowerMadam
(How to starve an Obama supporter: Hide his food stamps under his work shoes.)

He was older than the other students and possibly more disciplined (strange as it may sound now given his performance in office).

But if I was informed correctly, students take the tough "black letter law" courses in the first year. In the second and third year there's more room for airy electives.

Somebody who is really going for expertise in corporate or criminal law and takes demanding, fact-based courses, will usually get worse grades than someone who takes political theory courses -- and we know that Obama took theory courses.

Regardless of where he was REALLY born, 0bama wouldn’t have been able to get foreign aid had ‘Kenya’ not appeared in his college application.. It’s probably the case that ‘Kenya’ is his place of birth in his records.

I think he won’t release the grade records, not because of the meaningless grades themselves (most grades are inflated), but the transcript will give address and citizenship info that will prove the American eople have duped themselves.

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posted on 07/25/2012 2:23:29 PM PDT
by Theodore R.
(Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)

I believe if one really dug into it...he had some faked-up high school records that he used to get into Occidental and use a scholarship of some type. I think two years later....he repeats the fake-up records of Occidental....to get into Columbia University. There’s likely another scholarship at Columbia which helps at this point. He admits at one point that he really screwed round at Occidental and avoids the grades topic. The problem here...if you had “D” level grades for classes at Occidental...then Columbia would NOT accept those as part of the transfer....he’d have to repeat the classes under normal conditions.

Well...count the months....there is absolutely no repeat of any semesters, and he leaves on schedule. The only way to avoid repeating classes....is to ensure faked transcripts.

My guess is that he even faked his citizenship along the way....to help get scholarships....so he pretended he wasn’t an American citizen...while he was. Up until the last decade....you could fake out almost every university in the US. Today? I doubt that you’d have that much luck. Someone would ask stupid questions.

Nobody has more sealed records than this president. So many of his applications are sealed. He spent $3 million to keep everything sealed. You cant find out anything about his college. Im not talking about his marks. Im talking about his application. It would be so interesting to see.

“If you go searching for Obamas college records, you will quickly discover that all of his records from Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard law School have all been sealed.”

It is not just Obama’s college records. EVERYTHING about this fraud has been sealed, covered up, falsified and lied about. Obama has NOTHING in his fraudulent biography that is honest or true. The Obama biographers from Bill Ayers to David Maraniss to Obama himself are all liars.

Slowly small pieces of the truth have come out. Obama’s lies about being born in two separate hospitals has come to light. The lie spread by the MSM about the girl from Kansas and the man from Kenya and “falling in love” and staying together until Obama was two years old has been exposed. Slowly but surely other lies are being discovered.

Anytime the truth about Obama is discovered it is shown that the MSM biography is even more dishonest.

It’s amazing that no one has been able to find out anything. Pelosi and the Clintons knew he wasn’t qualified to be president..and that’s just the top of the corrupt heap. What’s keeping the Clinton’s quiet? Murder? Every investigation revealing social security numbers and birth certificates are laughed away. Trump with all his millions can’t uncover the truth either. Fox is a waste of time. Unless some MSM head decides enough is enough, we’ll never know - unless obama loses...then maybe it will all come out.

1) They probably reveal his actual birth location and his actual father, real trouble if he was born in Kenya or his father was Frank Marshal Davis.

2) The Occidental and Columbia records probably show the poor grades an admittedly whacked out drunken druggie would get. Thus, the question arises of how did he ever get into Occidental, Columbia, or Harvard Law. The answer is probably some rather sinister sponsors who had no love for America.

3) The financial records would reveal who actually paid for his college and law school educations, once again revealing some very unsavory sponsors and, possibly, controllers.

4) All of the records might well show he had poor to mediocre grades in courses that were not very demanding, thus destroying his myth of being a great intellectual. They might also show he had just about zip training in any science courses, real history courses, and courses involving basic business maters like insurance, further revealing his woeful inadequacy to lead a commercial republic.

5) Many of his student writings would probably be disclosed. That would be disastrous for him because they would show he was a virulent radical with only minimal writing and thinking ability. Such writing samples would further prove he was unable to write “Dreams from My Father” on his own and give further support to the already strong theory that Bill Ayers actually wrote most of “Dreams.”

IOW the disclosures would show he was a hopelessly unqualified radical poseur, sponsored and advanced by truly evil anti-American individuals and organizations, who never should have been elected to any national office.

Transcripts can be faked or stolen, but DNA is forever. What we need is a verified DNA sample from Obama, that can be used to determine whether he shares a father with his purported half-brother, or the son of Frank Marshall Davis (Mark?), or, miscellaneous others.

Regardless of where he was REALLY born, 0bama wouldnt have been able to get foreign aid had Kenya not appeared in his college application.. Its probably the case that Kenya is his place of birth in his records.

Maybe. My recollection, though, is that 30 years ago colleges weren't all that keen on foreign and international students. They were very anxious to get African-American (or Black as they said back then) students after all the riots and turmoil of the 60s and 70s.

If my understanding is correct, in those days somebody who could boost the Black student percentage would have been more welcome than an Indonesian. Someone who could (by whatever strange stretch of the imagination) give them cred for taking in Black American students would be valued more than a Kenyan.

I may be completely wrong about all this, but most of the funds for foreign students were for those who'd gotten their degrees abroad and came here for graduate education. A college might sell a place to a prince's or sheik's or millionaire's son (in practice if not literally), but they were less inclined to pick up the tab for indigent foreigners who wanted an American BA or BS.

We know that somehow Obama had gotten enough money together to get through a very expensive private school. Would it really have been impossible for the Dunhams to have somehow gotten together the funds (with loans and grants) for an Occidental -- or even a Columbia -- education?

Of course, it's entirely possible that Obama did give his birthplace as Kenya (or Indonesia), but when the only thing a candidate has is a reputation for braininess, bad grades in college are reason enough to want to keep the records sealed.

The only thing I can think of that Obama would be so concerned about would be his place of birth listed on his college applications.

There is another problem. Even if Obama was born in the U.S., he may have a very serious legal problem if he gained Indonesian nationality as a child and then as an adult, such as when he was applying to college or travelling as an adult, held himself out as an Indonesian national.

If he DID do such an affirmative action such as renewing an Indonesian passport he got as a child or representing himself as an Indonesian national in submitting college applications or accepting financial aid, then he may well have LOST U.S. citizenship by virtue of that action under the laws of the United States as in effect circa 1980 (even if the State Department itself had no knowledge of that affirmative action).

To explain: Let's say Barack Obama became an Indonesian citizen at some point in connection with his mother's marriage to Lolo Soetoro and the family moving to and resettling in Indonesia.

Did that mean that at that time, as a young child, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship by virtue of becoming an Indonesian national? Probably not. U.S. courts at the time looked to whether the child was old enough to understand what he was doing in relinquishing U.S. citizenship. Barack was probably too young at the time for a court to hold that gaining Indonesian citizenship as a child meant he intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship.

However, once Barack became older, say 17 years old or older, he would have been responsible for HIS OWN ACTIONS that demonstrated an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (See Section 1481(a) of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act and the cases interpreting that statute, prior to the 1986 legislative changes which loosened the standards.)

Under our law at the time, the answer is not given on the face of the statute -- one must examine the facts and circumstances surrounding each case and make a conclusion as to the intent looking at the situation as a whole.

An important fact relevant to this determination in the case of Obama is that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time.

Therefore, an action by Obama in holding himself out as an Indonesian citizen would mean that he would have chosen Indonesia over the United States. On the other hand, if Indonesia had allowed dual citizenship, and Obama had done something to demonstrate his preference to be an Indonesian citizen, there would be doubt -- maybe he intended to be both an Indonesian citizen and a U.S. citizen.

Because Indonesia was very clear that if someone was to be an Indonesian citizen they could NOT be a citizen of another country, then if Obama chose Indonesian nationality that is clear evidence he was thereby intending not to be a U.S. citizen.

What kind of action taken by Obama, after he was old enough to know what he was doing, would demonstrate that he wanted to be an Indonesian citizen and therefore no longer wanted to be a U.S. citizen and was relinquishing U.S. citizenship?

When Obama went to visit his mother in Indonesia, did he apply for an Indonesian passport or renew a passport he had from when he was younger? That would strongly indicate a desire to have sole allegiance to Indonesia and not the U.S., because he would have known that Indonesia did not countenance its passport-holders being nationals of another country. We don't know what he did.

What passport did he use to travel to Pakistan? What passport did he use to travel to Bali when he was supposedly working on his first book? We don't know what he did.

Did Obama hold himself out as an Indonesian citizen when he applied for college admission? Or in order to obtain financial support? We don't know what he did.

I have no idea where Barry was born. None of us do — Barry and his sister might, but not necessarily. If he lied on his college applications about his nationality, well, just add that to the Fraud In Chief’s resume.

There are still some relatives around in Kansas, but you don’t see the Press camping out on their doorsteps trying to get answers. Can you imagine what would be going on had this been Palin hiding all her background information? Barry Soetoro, the perfect stealth candidate for the New World Order. Hates America - Loves the World!

X: “Maybe. My recollection, though, is that 30 years ago colleges weren’t all that keen on foreign and international students.”

I was born 4 days days after Obama (at least based on his forged birth certificate) and went to college the same years as Obama. So I can attest that there were large numbers of foreign and international students accepted into American colleges. I even went to school in Iowa which you would not expect to be a big haven for internationals yet they made up a very significant population at that time. So I disagree with your assertion on this point.

Secondly, as GeorgeW mentions, I think it was the nationality that he claimed on these applications that are the key and not so much the grades. As I understand it, these schools he “attended” had already seen evidence of rampant grade inflation and liberalization so he could very likely produce stellar grades just for towing the liberal line of theology. Many times the grades at schools like Harvard and Columbia are more honorary than evidence of intellect or hard work. It’s getting into these schools that’s the real trick. And evidently Obama found the proper benefactor or classification (foreign student?) to make it in.

There were foreign students, and colleges probably liked getting rich foreigners who could pay full tuition even back then. They weren't concerned about raising their number of non-paying foreign students. By contrast, there was a lot of interest in getting the numbers of "minority" students up.

A Kenyan might have counted as Black as well as an descendant of slaves from Chicago or Atlanta, but I doubt there would have been as much advantage to portray oneself as a foreigner as so many people assume. An African-American from a school like Punahou probably had a better chance of getting into Occidental than somebody from Nairobi or Djakarta who couldn't pay the tuition.

In the 70s and 80s there was grade inflation as compared to earlier decades, but Obama didn't make cum laude even in political science, which indicates that his grades at Columbia weren't very good. What you say about parroting a liberal line may apply to his HLS days, but he also had some ability to articulate at that point. Indications are that the younger Obama had trouble writing coherently. Not massive trouble, but enough trouble that it would have affected his grades.

Of course it's possible that Obama was hiding something else, but in 2008, he could get away with hiding whatever he wanted and he took advantage of that.

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