I was contacted today by Roman Catholic apologist, Thomas Drolesky, of an extremely anti-biblical website called Christ or Chaos.

Drolesky is one of those polite but arrogant spokesmen for the Mother of all Harlots, who throws around the word of God like he is the Almighty himself.

He was a bit upset with me, saying I didn’t get my facts straight when printing an article that said the Jesuits and Vatican where behind naming a telescope or a lens of a telescope, Lucifer.

He went on to proclaim like he was God himself that on judgment day I would be dealt with harshly for I guess saying bad things about who I consider to be Lucifer’s representatives on Earth, none other than the Vatican and their Jesuit henchmen.

Here is a little bit about Christ Or Chaos and Drolesky taken from his site:

Christ Or Choas

It is to Our Lady, therefore, that the work of Christ or Chaos and of all of our educational endeavors in behalf Christ the King and Mary our Immaculate Queen are entirely dedicated. She is the vessel through which the Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us. She is the vessel through which flows all of the graces won for sinful men on the wood of the Holy Cross by her Divine Son as He paid back in His Sacred Humanity what was owed to Him in His Infinity as God: the debt of sin. It is to advance her reign as our Immaculate Queen that this work is entrusted, understanding that it will not be until some true Pope actually consecrates Russia to Our Lady’s Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart with all of the world’s bishops that the errors or Russia, which are the errors of modernity, will cease and the Reign of Mary Immaculate will begin.

ABOUT THOMAS A. DROLESKEY

Dr. Thomas A. Droleskey is a Catholic writer and speaker . He is the publisher-editor of Christ or Chaos.com, a site that has featured over 900 articles since the beginning of 2006, many dealing with his embrace of sedevacantism. Hundreds of his articles appeared in The Wanderer, the oldest weekly national Catholic newspaper, between 1992 and 2000. He was a contributor to The Latin Mass: A Journal of Catholic Culture between 2001 and 2003. Droleskey’s articles have appeared in the American Life League’s Celebrate Life magazine. He also contributed articles to The Remnant and for Catholic Family News. His articles also appeared for two years in The Four Marks.

Dr. Droleskey was an adjunct professor of political science at the C. W. Post Campus of Long Island University between January of 1991 and July of 2003, reprising his association there for a winter intersession course, which was taught between December 28, 2006, and January 11, 2007. He had taught political science around the nation since January of 1974, receiving numerous awards for excellence in teaching. Many of his students have converted to the Catholic Faith.

To set the record straight and putting the Lucifer story in perspective, a lens or an entire telescope was recently named Lucifer at the Mt. Graham Observatory in Arizona.

According to an article in Popular Science by Rebecca Boyle the “new instrument with an evil-sounding name is helping scientists see how stars are born.” The article went to explain the name Lucifer stands for (deep breath) “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.”

“And yes,” according to Popular Science, “it’s named for the Devil, whose name itself means “morning star.” However, according to a spokesman for the University of Arizona, it wasn’t meant to evoke any connotations of evil.

Drolesky cannot refute the naming of the instrument, but questions who named it, saying it can’t be the good ole boys in the Vatican. However, let’s look at the circumstantial evidence which beyond a reasonable doubt concludes the Vatican and Jesuit Order have been caught red handed playing with Lucifer again.

First off, if Jesuit Fr. Coyne is the director of the Vatican Observatory, wouldn;t he object to working with Lucifer, the telescope unless he enjoys working with Lucifer, the fallen Angel?

Next, it is clear the partners who run the observatory are the Vatican and the University of Arizona as verified by the Vatican itself in its recent blurb about its observatory. Here is the blurb:

Here is a little history from a Vatican web site, further cementing the Jesuit/Vatican connection and partnership at Mt. Graham, which by the way was previously a very sacred Indian landmark. The Native Americans have asked for their property returned, but I guess the Vatican will concoct some kind of biblical precedent where Jesus found it appropriate to turn his back on the indigenous people of the world.

Urban light pollution once again caught up with the astronomers at Castel Gandolfo, and in 1980 they established a new division of the Observatory in Tucson, Arizona, an internationally recognized center for astronomy. This location in the United States is called the Vatican Observatory Research Group and it is hosted by the University of Arizona’s Steward Observatory.

1987

At the time, new technology developed by Roger Angel and colleagues at the Steward Observatory offered significant promise for developing a more powerful telescope at considerable cost savings. Collaborating with the Steward Observatory, the Vatican Observatory built the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. Graham in southeastern Arizona. Funding for the project was only possible with the generosity of private, philanthropic support. Hence, in 1987 the Vatican Observatory Foundation was established.

At left: Pope John Paul II views a model of the Large Binocular Telescope for which the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope served as a testbed.

1993

Dedicated in 1993, the VATT utilizes some of the most advanced and innovative optics, electronics and mechanics available – once again positioning the Vatican at the forefront of astronomy.

Now if the Vatican is partnership at Mt. Graham and if they are a truly holy organization representing Christ’s interest on Earth, shouldn’t they object strongly to working side by side with Lucifer’s telescope?

They should have but they didn’t.

I say side by side because although partners on the entire Mt. Graham project, Lucifer is part of the Large Binocular Telescope, which happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. Graham in Tucson.

Now, even if the Vatican claims they are only neighbors, with their clout and money, if these rich neighbors objected, the name would have and should have been changed immediately.

But it wasn’t and it never will!

And since Jesuit astronomers work at Mt. Graham on all the telescopes, I deducted by scientific reasoning using their diabolical past as a guideline, they were behind the naming of the telescope or telescope lens, Lucifer.

Furthermore, since the Jesuits of the 4th Vow worship Lucifer, it makes perfect sense.

Case closed.

The Jesuits and the Vatican named the darn thing Lucifer and if they didn’t someone please sue me so I can finally use truth as a perfect defense against, as Tupper Saucy said, The Rulers of Evil.

Of course, Drolesky of Christ or Chaos, one of their loyal apologists, objected in an email, signing off with something like praise to the Immaculate Queen Mother Mary.

I immediately objected in a return email that she was not my Immaculate Queen, saying he was involved in pagan ISIS worship. He asked if he could reprint on his web site our email correspondence.

I responded go right ahead, what the heck do I care.

I always wonder why these guys bother to ask, acting so holy and polite. But then again the Jesuits love to kill you with a smiles and blessings while at the same time, of course, putting a nice big knife in your back.

Our emails boiled down to Drolesky defending the Pope’s presence as Christ on Earth and the pagan goddess Isis, but calling her the Immaculate Queen. I basically said have a nice pagan Roman Catholic day and gave him suggestions such as, don’t eat meat on Friday, enjoy Isis worship, say ten times out loud: the vicar of Christ is Pope Rat and only through Pope Rat do we get to heaven.

Since the Vatican appears to want separate its connection to Mt. Graham and the Lucifer telescope, here is an article from a Native American who disagrees. The article appeared April 17 in the Native American Roots web site, explaining how the Vatican violated Native American holy ground:

For many Native American nations there are certain geographic places which have special spiritual meanings. These sacred places are often portals to the spirit worlds. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs which have been handed down through the oral tradition for many generations. It is here that the Ga’an, the guardian spirits of the Apache, live.

In 1873, Mount Graham was removed from the boundaries of the San Carlos Reservation and placed in public domain. The spiritual value of Mount Graham to the Apache was not considered. This action set the stage for conflict a century later.

Ojibwa :: Mount Graham: Science and Apache Religion

In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. The fact that this is a sacred place for the Apache was not taken into consideration. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress to remove this, and other, roadblocks. The area in question is administered by the U.S. Forest Service.

The Vatican has an observatory staff which is officially support by the Vatican City State. The Vatican Observatory Foundation is supported by private donations. One of the important duties of the church is to maintain an accurate calendar and this requires astronomical observations. Hence the involvement of the Vatican with astronomy. The first Vatican observatory was established in 1774.

Congress passed the Arizona-Idaho Conservation Act in 1988. In response to lobbying by the University of Arizona and the Vatican, the Act included a provision to allow the construction of three telescopes on Mount Graham without having to comply with the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act or with environmental laws.

The following year the Apache Survival Coalition was started by Ola Cassadore-Davis, the daughter of Apache spiritual leader Phillip Cassadore. The purpose of the Coalition was to save Dzil Nchaa Si An from desecration by a telescope complex to be built by the University of Arizona and the Vatican.

In 1991, the San Carlos Apache Tribe passed a resolution stating that Mount Graham is sacred to them. Furthermore, the resolution stated that the tribe supported the efforts of the Apache Survival Coalition to protect the religious and cultural beliefs of the tribe.

Following the declarations of the sacredness of Mount Graham by the Apache Survival Coalition and the San Carlos Apache Tribe, the Vatican in 1991declared that Mt. Graham was not sacred because it lacked religious shrines. Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated that he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. Father Coyne stated that to convince him that the mountain was sacred he would need to see evidence of shrines and that he would not accept Apache oral history or statements by Apache-speaking Euro-American anthropologists.

Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were “a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.”

The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham “part of a Jewish conspiracy” and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church.

In spite of opposition by the San Carlos Apache tribal council, Apache spiritual leaders, and environmental groups, actual construction of the project began in 1991.

With flagrant insensitivity to American Indians, the University of Arizona announced that it intended to name its new telescope on Mount Graham the Columbus telescope in honor of the European explorer. The University was apparently unaware that Columbus is not considered to be a hero by American Indian people. Ultimately, the University withdrew the name following public response against it.

The San Carlos Apache tribal council in 1993 reaffirmed resolutions opposing the construction of the telescope on Mount Graham. The council resolution stated that the telescope “constitutes a display of profound disrespect for a cherished feature of our original homeland as well as a serious violation of our traditional religious beliefs.”

After meeting with Apache elders and spiritual leaders at the San Carlos Apache Reservation, the National Council of Churches in 1995 passed a resolution calling for the removal of a telescope from Mount Graham.

The President’s Advisory Council on Historic Preservation in 1996 declared the entire Mount Graham observatory project to be in violation of the National Historic Preservation Act because of the project’s harm to Apache culture and spiritual life, but the telescope was not removed.

In 1997, the spokesman for the Apaches for Cultural Preservation was arrested for praying on Mount Graham. The Apaches for Cultural Preservation feel that the Forest Service, the University of Arizona, and the Vatican developed the project on Mount Graham knowing that it would violate Apache religious beliefs.

President Bill Clinton, using the line item veto, deleted $10 million in federal funds for the operation of the University of Arizona’s Mount Graham telescope project. San Carlos Apache Chairman Raymond Stanley and the White Mountain Apache Cultural Resources Director Ramon Riley sent letters to the President thanking him for the veto.

Beginning in 1998, the University of Arizona began requiring Indians to obtain prayer permits before they crossed the top of Mount Graham near the University’s telescopes. The University’s prayer policy required that the permit be requested at least two business days before the visit and that it include a description of where on the mountain the prayers will take place. Only people who were enrolled members of federally recognized tribes were allowed to pray.

In 1999, the University of Notre Dame, a Catholic university, announced that it would also build a telescope on Mount Graham. The University president claimed that he was unaware that Mount Graham was sacred to the Apache and that the Apache opposed the desecration of this sacred place. This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of many news stories.

In 1999, the White Mountain Apache tribal council passed a resolution urging the U.S. Forest Service to “honor its duties to protect the physical integrity of Mount Graham and its long-standing and ongoing historical, cultural and religious importance to many Apaches.”

Realizing that they were making little headway with the bureaucracies of the American government (Department of the Interior and Department of Agriculture) and Congress, the Apaches took their cause to the United Nations in 1999. Ola Cassadore Davis testified before the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities. She stated:

We Apache wish to bring to the people of this world a better understanding of Indian people, in order that we are able to preserve and freely live by our traditional culture and religious beliefs.
Source www.envirolink.org/

She asked that the special use permit by the Department of Agriculture Forest Service be terminated. She concluded:

In conclusion, we Apache would respectfully urge this body of the United Nations to recognize and acknowledge that the disrespect and suffering caused by the nations and governments mentioned above be terminated forthwith. We Apache petition you for a resolution consistent with the National Congress of American Indians of 1993, 1995 and July 1999. They stated that the public interest in protecting Apache culture is compelling, and that the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture should accordingly require the prompt removal of the telescopes from Mount Graham.

In 2004, the San Carlos Apache rejected an offer of $120,000 from the University of Arizona, calling it a bribe. Saying that the University had done nothing but tell lies to the Apache people, the San Carlos Apache indicated that they would continue to honor their sacred mountain. One tribal council member indicated that if the University did not have a telescope on Mount Graham they would have no interest in the Apache people.

The conflict over this sacred site is still not resolved. On the one hand it can be viewed as a conflict between two different cultures. On the other hand, it can also be seen as a conflict between science and religion.

The Mount Graham International Observatory is home to three telescopes: the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, the Heinrich Hertz Submillimeter Telescope, and the Large Binocular Telescope. On their website, their version of the history of Mount Graham focuses on James Duncan Graham and mentions the Spanish Conquistadores. There is no mention of the Apache. Their section on the legal actions necessary for the building of the complex mentions environmental concerns, but there is no mention of the Apache spiritual concerns.

Since we also have a difference of opinion about Mary, here is some research on the subject taken from a friend’s web site called Remnant of God:

“Membership in the Militia means complete dedication to the Kingdom of God and to the salvation of souls through Mary Immaculate.” -Pope John Paul II

“We have an advocate in Mary that the father, Son, and Holy Spirit cannot say no to. It is impossible for them to say no to her! -Fr. Stephan Scheier

Pope John Paull IIhas ‘dedicated himself and his Pontificate to Our Lady.’ He bears the letter “M” for Mary in his coat of arms. And his personal motto, which is embroidered on the side of his robes in Latin is the following: “TOTUS TUUS SUM MARIA“, which in English translates to: “MARY, I’M ALL YOURS.”

For those that think the “Totus Tuus Sum Maria” is a fictitious proclamation of Pope John Paul II, see this excerpt from a Los Angeles Times News Article.

“By awarding the Virgin a central place in the cathedral’s narrative, the archdiocese is keeping faith with a long, if fluctuating, Catholic and Orthodox tradition of devotion to Our Lady, a tradition enjoying a resurgence under Pope John Paul II. (The pope’s personal motto, “Totus tuus sum, Maria,” or “I am all yours, Mary,”reflects his belief that the Virgin intervened to save his life from an assassin’s bullet in 1981 so that he could help defeat European communism.)” -LATIMES.com Sept 1, 2002 By REED JOHNSON, Times Staff Writer (Click here to see entire article)

Also notice the official “Coat of Arms” of John Paul II…

I got this pic off the Vatican website. Notice the huge letter “M” signifying John Paul II’s desire to glorify MARY as his god in his pontificate.

The following table compares the Mary of Roman Catholic theology and religious practice with the Biblical portrayal of Mary and with the goddess which is worshipped by Wiccans and modern pagans. My information about Wicca comes from the book “Wicca: Satan’s Little White Lie” by Bill Schnoebelen (who was the high priest of a Wiccan coven before he became a Christian), the “World Book,” the on-line version of “The Encyclopedia Brittanica,” and numerous web sites.

BIBLICAL MARY

CATHOLIC MARY

THE GODDESS

Humble and obedient. Calls herself “the handmaid of the Lord.”

The Pope officially gave Mary the title “Queen of Heaven” and established a feast day honoring Mary, Queen of Heaven.

Can make Jesus do things. A full page newspaper ad showing Mary and Jesus says, “He hasn’t denied her anything in 2,000 years. What would you have her ask Him?” This is not official Catholic doctrine but it is a widespread attitude which is encouraged by pious literature.

Points to herself.

Wants to be worshipped.

Knew that she needed a savior. (Luke 1:47)

Apparitions of “Mary” have promised that if people wear certain objects (such as a Scapular or Miraculous Medal) or say certain prayers then they are guaranteed to go to Heaven. The Catholic Church has not officially approved of these practices, but it has also not discouraged them.

Invoked to make supernatural things happen through witchcraft (the use of special objects and special verbal formulas).

One Comment So Far...

Should not the Virgin Joseph, a just man, receive equal honours with the Virgin Mary his wife? After all it takes two to tango.
With the unmarried celibate priests practising doctrines of demons, it only takes one to tango. 1 Tim 4:1-3 Matt 1:19.