The HOF is an individual award and the number of rings you have doesn't count for very much (some, not much). Haley was a starting All-Pro twice and he lost out to guys like Ogden who was an All-Pro seven years straight and went to the pro bowl 11 times. Leaving Parcells aside, what player would you select Haley above who made it into the Hall today?

If its all about the rings, then Monsignor Peter Armstrong should be in the HoF. Not only did he get 5 rings, but he baptized Jerry Rice's children and officiated Joe Montana's , Dwight Clark's and Ronnie Lott's marriages.

Primum non nocere:Whoa. Ray Guy isn't in? When I was a kid he'd routinely punted the ball 10 yards farther than all his peers.

And he was the Master at the coffin-corner punt, routinely giving Raiders opponents a starting point for their drives of 1st and 10 from their own 5, making it easier for their coked-up defense to murder the opposing QB while he was busy trying to avoid the safety.

downtownkid:Primum non nocere: Whoa. Ray Guy isn't in? When I was a kid he'd routinely punted the ball 10 yards farther than all his peers.

Statistically he wasn't even the best punter of his era. You also support Rich Camarillo's candidacy for the HoF?

Which statistics? You mean other than the hang-time and punts inside the 20 statistics that weren't even kept until he came along? Yeah, I guess when you have a big place in revolutionizing a part of the game, you fall behind in some of those other stats. He did lead the league in hitting the scoreboard in the Superdome though.

andychrist420:downtownkid: Primum non nocere: Whoa. Ray Guy isn't in? When I was a kid he'd routinely punted the ball 10 yards farther than all his peers.

Statistically he wasn't even the best punter of his era. You also support Rich Camarillo's candidacy for the HoF?

Which statistics? You mean other than the hang-time and punts inside the 20 statistics that weren't even kept until he came along? Yeah, I guess when you have a big place in revolutionizing a part of the game, you fall behind in some of those other stats. He did lead the league in hitting the scoreboard in the Superdome though.

/Put Guy in the Hall.

You can make a case for him based on how he evolved the position but his numbers are surprisingly weak and that is held against him.

Haley was the third best o-lineman up for it this year. Ogden and Shields were both more qualified. It's not surprising that he was left off, given how crowded the field is this yea. It figures to get even more crowded in 2014 with Kurt Warner, Junior Seau, Marvin Harrison, Derrick Brooks, Isaac Bruce and Tony Dungy being added to the mix along with Bettis, Tim Brown, Strahan, Walter and John Lynch all being eligible again.

In fairness (and as a Raider fan) Plunk and The Judge weren't good enough for long enough and Stabler had more picks than TD's. Flores might get in at some point when the NFL makes a push to get more Hispanics into the game. Branch, Guy, and Brown should be in at some point though.