#raspberrypi IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-05-01

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[0:00]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:00]* PiBot sets mode +v mikey_w[0:00]* mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:01]* PiBot sets mode +v mike_[0:01]* p2hicy (~p2hicy@unaffiliated/p2hicy) has joined #raspberrypi[0:01]* PiBot sets mode +v p2hicy[0:01]* mike_ is now known as Guest17177[0:02]* p2hicy (~p2hicy@unaffiliated/p2hicy) has left #raspberrypi[0:06]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[0:06]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[0:08]* MinToN (~ident@cpc1-oxfd7-0-0-cust545.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:08]* PiBot sets mode +v MinToN[0:08]* mkopack (~mkopack@184-210-133-171.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit (Quit: mkopack)[0:09]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@91.85.220.26) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:10]<danieldaniel> I did bad on the ACTs[0:10]<danieldaniel> Although they were just for fun[0:11]<danieldaniel> they don't count yet[0:11]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@91.85.220.26) has joined #raspberrypi[0:11]* PiBot sets mode +v Tomtiger11[0:11]* jamesglanville (~james@92.40.254.72.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[0:11]* farmboy (~quassel@cpc15-cmbg14-2-0-cust146.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[0:12]* RITRedbeard (RITReadbea@129.21.106.24) has joined #raspberrypi[0:12]* PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard[0:15]* Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away[0:17]* kivether (~lombeting@cust-127-93.on4.ontelecoms.gr) has joined #raspberrypi[0:17]* PiBot sets mode +v kivether[0:19]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:22]* jeremyf (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) has joined #raspberrypi[0:22]* imnichol (~ian@8.24.96.9) has joined #raspberrypi[0:22]* PiBot sets mode +v imnichol[0:22]* PiBot sets mode +v jeremyf[0:23]* jeremyf (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) Quit (Client Quit)[0:23]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Sort of[0:24]* MinToN (~ident@cpc1-oxfd7-0-0-cust545.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: ???I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n??? 3.2 (July '10))[0:24]<Crenn-NAS> tzarc: My girlfriend is from Sydney and she prefers melbourne ;P[0:24]<Crenn-NAS> Also, guten morgen alles[0:26]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[0:27]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@91.85.220.26) Quit (Changing host)[0:27]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@Tom4u/founder/tomtiger11) has joined #raspberrypi[0:27]* PiBot sets mode +v Tomtiger11[0:28]<Hydrazine> awww[0:29]<Hydrazine> oops[0:29]<Crenn-NAS> You got SPI working? :D[0:29]<Hydrazine> working, but nothing functional yet[0:30]<Hydrazine> problem is on the side of the peripheral[0:30]<Hydrazine> might get an alphanumeric LCD working in the next few hours[0:30]* Commander1024 (~Commander@ip-109-91-120-118.unitymediagroup.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[0:31]<Crenn-NAS> You've got code to go with that? :D[0:31]* RITRedbeard (RITReadbea@129.21.106.24) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[0:32]* jamesglanville (~james@global-2-74.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[0:32]* PiBot sets mode +v jamesglanville[0:32]<Hydrazine> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/wanted-beta-testers-for-spi-driver[0:32]<Hydrazine> I used REW's drivers and modified his LCD driver to what I needed[0:32]* Commander1024 (~Commander@ip-109-91-120-118.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #raspberrypi[0:32]* PiBot sets mode +v Commander1024[0:32]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:37]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[0:37]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[0:40]<danieldaniel> is it possible to just attach wires to the pins?[0:43]* ole9 (~ole@54b.pl) Quit (Quit: leaving)[0:43]* rodrigo_golive (quassel@nat/indt/x-udnaytxrrwejtbkd) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[0:43]<steve_rox> sockets or solder em on?[0:43]* otis (418015d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.128.21.211) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[0:45]<danieldaniel> steve_rox: either[0:45]<danieldaniel> Also, I just realized something[0:46]<danieldaniel> I have a power - USB thing[0:46]<danieldaniel> it says that the output is 4.9 volts[0:46]<danieldaniel> like, wall to USB[0:46]<danieldaniel> Could I just attach the batteries to that?[0:46]<danieldaniel> steve_rox: Oh, solder[0:46]* s[x] (~sx]@eth589.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:46]* PiBot sets mode +v s[x][0:48]* BenO shakes fist at snd_pcm_forward - it's all your fault![0:48]* passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:48]* PiBot sets mode +v passstab[0:49]* thz_nmr|bnc is now known as thz_nmr[0:50]* Guest18081 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:54]<Hydrazine> I think I broke eclipse :([0:54]<Tomtiger11> Lok[0:54]<Tomtiger11> Lol*[0:55]<danieldaniel> but yeah[0:55]<danieldaniel> Can I solder wires to the pins?[0:55]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002129233033.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:55]<Hydrazine> You micht want to use some header for easy removal of the wires[0:55]<Hydrazine> might*[0:55]<danieldaniel> yeah[0:56]<danieldaniel> But would it work at all?[0:56]<plugwash> there is nothing stopping you soldering wires to the GPIO header and there is nothing stopping you powering the Pi via the GPIO header[0:56]<danieldaniel> too lazy[0:56]<danieldaniel> oh[0:56]<danieldaniel> wrong channel[0:56]<danieldaniel> plugwash: Great![0:57]* danieldaniel blows up raspberry pi\[0:59]<danieldaniel> ok, one more question[0:59]<danieldaniel> I have an amazon kindle wall -> USB[0:59]<danieldaniel> If I solder the batteries to that[0:59]<danieldaniel> will it transform[0:59]<danieldaniel> ?[0:59]<BenO> ???[0:59]<danieldaniel> like[0:59]<danieldaniel> will it change the voltage[0:59]<BenO> No[1:00]<danieldaniel> :([1:00]<danieldaniel> oh, input 100-240 volts[1:00]<danieldaniel> D:[1:00]<plugwash> well if you put enough batteries in series it MIGHT work[1:00]<danieldaniel> plugwash: I have 4[1:00]<BenO> And AC[1:00]<plugwash> ;)[1:01]<plugwash> afaict most SMPSUs don't care if the input is AC or DC but still you'd need a bloody big string of batteries to get that kind of voltage ;)[1:01]<danieldaniel> D:[1:01]<plugwash> scarilly I probablly have enough AA batteries and holders in my office to do it[1:02]* dnstbr (~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Shutting down, yo.)[1:02]<plugwash> I think i've still got an unopened box of 100 AA batteries[1:02]<BenO> plugwash, that may well be true - it's not a concept I've ever pondered ;)[1:02]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[1:05]* Lord_Deathmatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-216-27-94.lnse1.ken.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[1:05]* PiBot sets mode +v Lord_Deathmatch[1:07]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@Tom4u/founder/tomtiger11) Quit (Quit: Bye!)[1:07]* Oxquad (~Oxquad@omexis.sted.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[1:07]* PiBot sets mode +v Oxquad[1:08]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8-dev)[1:08]<danieldaniel> is it safe to solder my Pi?[1:08]<danieldaniel> will it bl0w up[1:11]<eigoom> is it explosive? if so, maybe[1:12]* TTSDA (~Cookies@unaffiliated/ttsda) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:12]<BenO> danieldaniel, safe to solder to your Pi - in a way, yes but I really wouldn't advise it[1:13]* RBlunderbuss (80c4700c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.196.112.12) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[1:16]* unsignedbool (~unsignedb@f050070039.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #raspberrypi[1:16]* PiBot sets mode +v unsignedbool[1:16]<newphreak> it's safe if you know what you are doing :P[1:16]<newphreak> which you obviously dont[1:17]* TTSDA_ (~Cookies@bl7-73-240.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[1:17]* PiBot sets mode +v TTSDA_[1:19]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) has joined #raspberrypi[1:19]* PiBot sets mode +v Soul_Est[1:20]* bob_ (~bob@5ac0e860.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:20]* PiBot sets mode +v bob_[1:20]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@i-195-137-107-162.freedom2surf.net) Quit (Quit: Wedgybo)[1:20]* katnegermis (~katnegerm@ip2.c648.frb194.cust.comxnet.dk) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[1:23]* bob_ (~bob@5ac0e860.bb.sky.com) Quit (Client Quit)[1:26]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:26]<Hydrazine> and suddenly you realise that you forgot sei();[1:28]* Lord_Deathmatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-216-27-94.lnse1.ken.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[1:29]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@i-195-137-107-162.freedom2surf.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:29]* PiBot sets mode +v Wedgybo[1:30]* sh4ring4n (~Sh4ring4n@66.11.187.170) has joined #raspberrypi[1:30]* PiBot sets mode +v sh4ring4n[1:30]<sh4ring4n> hey[1:30]<sh4ring4n> which software would be availiable for the raspberry pi?[1:30]<BenO> anything compiled for arm linux[1:31]<sh4ring4n> I meant, for programming in the default language[1:31]<BenO> I'm not sure I follow you?[1:31]* anon9002 (~anon@KYM5298.rh.psu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[1:31]* PiBot sets mode +v anon9002[1:32]<sh4ring4n> when you turn on a bbc micro, c64 or other computers of the 80s, you automatically get a basic prompt[1:32]<sh4ring4n> is there something the equivalant of that in raspberry pi?[1:33]<BenO> You'll either get the LXDE desktop or the login prompt[1:33]<sh4ring4n> and after that?[1:33]<danieldaniel> on http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals[1:33]<danieldaniel> which way is it looking?[1:33]<BenO> sh4ring4n, Whatever you want - it's an operating system, not an educational environment[1:33]<Hydrazine> top is the top of your Rpi[1:33]<sh4ring4n> oh.[1:33]<BenO> sh4ring4n, ie something that will teach out of the box[1:34]<danieldaniel> Hydrazine: Like, looking from where the SD card is?[1:34]<sh4ring4n> in that case, I could do whatever I want to dit...[1:34]<sh4ring4n> it[1:34]<danieldaniel> or from the other side[1:34]* sh4ring4n thinks of evil ideas[1:34]<sh4ring4n> BenO: thx[1:34]<BenO> sh4ring4n, Yes, within the bounds of the hardware :)[1:34]<Hydrazine> bottom is the SD card side of the two rows[1:34]<BenO> sh4ring4n, "Any language which will compile for ARMv6 can be used with the Raspberry Pi, though"[1:34]<danieldaniel> ok[1:34]<Hydrazine> top view[1:34]<BenO> from the FAQS[1:34]<sh4ring4n> thanks[1:34]<Hydrazine> and right is the composite connectot side[1:35]<danieldaniel> ok[1:35]<danieldaniel> thanks![1:35]* sh4ring4n (~Sh4ring4n@66.11.187.170) has left #raspberrypi[1:35]<Hydrazine> np[1:35]<BenO> danieldaniel, hold the board so you can read the logo - up is up, down is down, etc[1:35]<danieldaniel> BenO: Ok[1:36]<BenO> With the board orientated so the logo text is the right way up, what pin becomes the top-left, and so on[1:36]<danieldaniel> ok[1:36]<danieldaniel> so[1:36]<danieldaniel> The top left one[1:36]<BenO> 5v[1:36]<danieldaniel> yeah[1:36]<danieldaniel> i mean[1:36]<danieldaniel> thats close to the hdmi and composite[1:36]<danieldaniel> like[1:37]<danieldaniel> it is closer to the hdmi than the other one[1:37]<danieldaniel> and its under the composite[1:37]<danieldaniel> right?[1:37]<BenO> No[1:37]<danieldaniel> :([1:37]<danieldaniel> then where is the 5v one[1:37]<BenO> danieldaniel, Look at the picture of the board here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs[1:38]<BenO> This is the right way up[1:38]<danieldaniel> OPH[1:38]<danieldaniel> OHHHHHHHHHHHH[1:38]* Guest92548 (5ec4b48d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.196.180.141) has joined #raspberrypi[1:38]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest92548[1:38]<BenO> Note that the english on the board is also the right way up[1:38]<danieldaniel> I get it![1:38]<Guest92548> hi[1:38]<BenO> That's how you know what up is[1:38]<BenO> :)[1:38]<Hydrazine> hello[1:38]<danieldaniel> so its the one up and to the left[1:38]<danieldaniel> that makes sense![1:38]<danieldaniel> Like[1:38]<danieldaniel> in the upper left corner?[1:38]<BenO> Yep[1:38]<danieldaniel> ok[1:40]* danieldaniel heats up soldering iron[1:40]<danieldaniel> whats that black smoke[1:40]<BenO> Again, I really don't advise you to solder to those header pins[1:40]<BenO> It will likely not end well...[1:40]<danieldaniel> :([1:40]<danieldaniel> Why?[1:40]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:40]* PiBot sets mode +v chandoo[1:40]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Sweet![1:40]<danieldaniel> will it work if I turn it on[1:41]<danieldaniel> Like[1:41]<danieldaniel> If I solder it good, will it even work?[1:41]<BenO> danieldaniel, what's the one item that is difficult to replace atm?[1:41]<BenO> danieldaniel, What's the one item you might want to use for other things?[1:41]<danieldaniel> oh[1:41]* ShiftPlusOne (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[1:41]* PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne[1:41]<danieldaniel> what i was going to do though[1:41]<BenO> danieldaniel, What is the most difficult thing to solder together by hand?[1:41]* Guest18204 (5ec430e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.196.48.227) has joined #raspberrypi[1:41]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest18204[1:41]<danieldaniel> I was going to solder a wire with both ends not attached to anything to it[1:41]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28811.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[1:41]<danieldaniel> and then solder something else to the wire[1:42]<danieldaniel> so that if I want to remove it, I can remove it from the first wire[1:42]<D34TH> heres an idea[1:42]<danieldaniel> would that be OK?[1:42]<D34TH> buy some headers[1:42]<danieldaniel> D34TH: I did[1:42]<danieldaniel> And I failed at them[1:42]<BenO> danieldaniel, what happened to the IDE cable?[1:42]<Guest18204> don't buy headers[1:42]<danieldaniel> BenO: Its all ripped up and thrown out[1:42]<BenO> danieldaniel, do you have a spare floppy drive cable?[1:43]<danieldaniel> no[1:43]<danieldaniel> I don't have a floppy drive at all[1:44]<BenO> UK/USA based?[1:44]<danieldaniel> usa[1:44]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: WHAT[1:44]* Guest92548 (5ec4b48d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.196.180.141) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:44]<Guest18204> how can you not have a floppy drive?[1:44]<danieldaniel> they sux[1:44]<danieldaniel> But seriously[1:44]<Guest18204> what[1:44]<danieldaniel> Why would I need one?[1:45]<Guest18204> for floppies[1:45]* RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@129.21.121.2) has joined #raspberrypi[1:45]* PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard[1:45]<Guest18204> You can't use a cd drive to read your floppies, you've got to use a floppy drive[1:45]* sh4ring4n (~Sh4ring4n@66.11.187.170) has joined #raspberrypi[1:45]* PiBot sets mode +v sh4ring4n[1:45]* sh4ring4n (~Sh4ring4n@66.11.187.170) has left #raspberrypi[1:46]<BenO> danieldaniel, Have you heard of electrical boards called 'shields'?[1:46]<danieldaniel> BenO: yeah[1:47]<BenO> There is a reason why they call them shields for a start[1:47]<plugwash> hmm, do we have a name for pi addon boards yet?[1:47]<Guest18204> because they shield things?[1:47]<BenO> plugwash, I'm favouring 'Pi plates' ;)[1:47]<Hydrazine> xD[1:47]<Guest18204> plugwash: they're called addon boards[1:47]<Hydrazine> I like that one, Pi plates :P[1:48]<plugwash> Guest18204, well in a general sense yes but I was meaning a more Pi specific term[1:48]<BenO> danieldaniel, Guest18204 to shield against plugging, unplugging and soldering of components[1:48]<Guest18204> not everything needs a catchy brand name[1:48]<plugwash> like arduino uses "shields" and beaglebone uses "capes"[1:48]<D34TH> how about berries?[1:48]<D34TH> or branches[1:48]<Guest18204> how about: "RASPBERRY PI COMPATIBLE ADDON BOARD"[1:49]<Crenn-NAS> BenO: I detect you might be biased in the matter ;P[1:49]<Hydrazine> wel, a network of Rpi's is already called a bramble[1:49]* BenO groans... ;)[1:49]<Guest18204> Hydrazine: No sane person would be networking rpi's anyway[1:49]<Hydrazine> hehe[1:50]<Guest18204> The return value would be a complete waste of money[1:50]<Crenn-NAS> How about a Raspberry Pi Shield for the LEaflabs Maple ;P[1:50]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: I might be insane then ;P[1:50]<Guest18204> you could call them pastries[1:51]<Hydrazine> SPI slave, Y U no work[1:51]<Crenn-NAS> Ri Toppings![1:51]<Crenn-NAS> Pi Toppings![1:51]* JeremyF (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) has joined #raspberrypi[1:51]* PiBot sets mode +v JeremyF[1:51]<D34TH> "whipped topping"[1:51]<D34TH> :3[1:51]<Guest18204> Crenn-NAS: Why pay for 200 rpis with the equvilient power of a single atom itx[1:51]<Crenn-NAS> D34TH: Hell yeah[1:51]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: I never said I was getting 200 ;P[1:52]<Crenn-NAS> I'm only getting 3 to network together[1:52]<Guest18204> The ??30 price point makes sense for an individual unit, but not for loads networked together[1:52]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: No arguments there[1:52]<Guest18204> Crenn-NAS: I would say a bramble would need at least 7[1:52]<Crenn-NAS> Heh[1:53]<Crenn-NAS> I'm hoping my application only needs 3[1:53]* neciO (~juan@94-224-106-132.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit: leaving)[1:53]* JeremyF (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) Quit (Client Quit)[1:54]<Guest18204> what does the application do?[1:55]<Crenn-NAS> Look at a live aerial camera and work out if there is a beacon on the ground before working out a GPS coordinate for that beacon[1:56]<Guest18204> why does that need 3?[1:56]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: Because I don't think 1 would be enough[1:56]<Crenn-NAS> It also has to stream the video feeds back to base[1:56]<Guest18204> one for looking, one for beacon working out and one for gps coord working out?[1:56]<D34TH> heh[1:56]<D34TH> make a bramble for irc[1:56]<D34TH> "bramble-bot"[1:57]<Guest18204> D34TH: No bot allowed on this channel[1:57]<Hydrazine> someone here experienced with avr uC's?[1:57]<D34TH> i know[1:57]<Guest18204> D34TH: PiBot is our special little one[1:57]<Hydrazine> http://pastebin.com/0Wcz8fhg[1:58]<Hydrazine> just needs to function as a shift register, serial spi in, parrallel out[1:58]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: Nope, one is for streaming and task assignment for the other 2, spliting frames between the 2 Processing 'nodes'[1:58]<Hydrazine> but it doesn't work[1:58]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Looking into it now[1:59]<Hydrazine> 5 cookies for the person who find the fault[1:59]<Crenn-NAS> I think the problem is in your SPI initialiser I believe[1:59]<Crenn-NAS> Which AVR are you using? I might have the datasheet on my laptop[1:59]<Hydrazine> atmega88[2:00]<Guest18204> Hydrazine:Change the 1 on portb to a 7[2:00]<Hydrazine> o.0[2:00]<Hydrazine> doesn't even get beyond the spi receive check[2:01]<Crenn-NAS> Crap.... I forgot I removed all of the data sheets on this laptop (NAS issues)[2:01]<Guest18204> Crenn-NAS: How convenient..[2:01]* IT_Sean (~sean@pool-96-242-229-98.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:01]* IT_Sean (~sean@pool-96-242-229-98.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Changing host)[2:01]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[2:01]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[2:01]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[2:01]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: Oh hush ;P[2:02]<Hydrazine> warning, 8MB: http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc2545.pdf[2:02]<Guest18204> What's the point of masking your host if it shows it when you join anyway?[2:03]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: That's ok, I'm using my uni's connection[2:03]<Guest18204> google docs streams it to me anyway[2:03]<Crenn-NAS> Technically I shouldn't be able to log onto my server at home... but you know uni students ;D[2:03]<Hydrazine> heh[2:04]* anon9002 (~anon@KYM5298.rh.psu.edu) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[2:04]<Guest18204> Oh them uni students, partying into the wee hours of the morning on their servers[2:06]<Hydrazine> http://pastebin.com/RtheE9A6[2:06]<Hydrazine> now with more comments ;)[2:07]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: I was asleep before 12AM[2:07]<Hydrazine> 2:06 AM here :([2:08]<Guest18204> what comments?[2:08]* NucWin puts the kettle on[2:08]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[2:08]* Behold (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi[2:08]* PiBot sets mode +v Behold[2:08]<Guest18204> Hydrazine:Change the 1 on portb to a 7[2:09]<Hydrazine> and why would you do that?[2:09]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: The ATMega is a slave device I do believe, not master[2:09]<Hydrazine> yes[2:10]<Guest18204> Because I said to[2:10]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:10]* ShiftPlusOne (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:10]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Set DDRB to 0x11[2:11]<Crenn-NAS> As MISO needs to be an output[2:11]<Guest18204> what he said, but also change the 1 on portb to a 7[2:12]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: I still don't under stand why you want him to do that as it won't help[2:12]<Guest18204> Crenn-NAS: I find trial and error an excellent debugging method[2:13]<Hydrazine> nothing yet[2:13]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: I like guestimates myself xD[2:13]<Hydrazine> gonna try to lower to clock more on the Rpi side[2:14]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: What clock are you using for SPI?[2:14]<Hydrazine> 1Mhz[2:14]<Hydrazine> "should" work[2:14]<Hydrazine> gonna try lowering it to 250Khz[2:14]* D34TH (D34TH@unaffiliated/d34th) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[2:14]<Hydrazine> but I have to recompile the drivers[2:14]<Crenn-NAS> And I assume that the RPi is using Mode 0, MSB First?[2:15]* plugwash (~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::6c3) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:15]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@250-105.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[2:15]<Hydrazine> well, PORTC[4] never becomes high[2:15]<Hydrazine> but I'll check it[2:17]* thz_nmr is now known as thz_nmr|bnc[2:18]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Off)[2:18]* IT_Sean (~sean@pool-96-242-229-98.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:18]* IT_Sean (~sean@pool-96-242-229-98.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Changing host)[2:18]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[2:18]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[2:18]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[2:19]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine, I'm more looking into whether the mode is correct for the RPi[2:20]<Crenn-NAS> Can you just ensure that PORTC[4] can flash?[2:20]<Crenn-NAS> Also, what fusebits do you have enabled?[2:20]<Hydrazine> yup, It can flash, tested it before[2:20]<Crenn-NAS> Good[2:20]<Hydrazine> default fuse, except for the clkdiv8[2:20]<Crenn-NAS> That is disabled?[2:21]<Crenn-NAS> And I also assume that the ATMega88 is running at 8MHz[2:21]<Guest18204> I know some of those words[2:21]<Crenn-NAS> Sorry, I mean running at 3.3v[2:22]<Hydrazine> the Rpi has configured: fisrst sclk transistion at middle of data bit, clock polarity is low when idle[2:22]<Hydrazine> should be running at 8Mhz[2:22]<Hydrazine> and lsb goes first[2:24]<Crenn-NAS> LSB goes first?[2:24]<Hydrazine> yup[2:24]<Hydrazine> same on the atmega side[2:25]<Crenn-NAS> DORD isn't set, so it's assuming MSB first[2:25]<Hydrazine> o.0[2:25]<Hydrazine> indeed[2:26]<Hydrazine> but shouldn't I still be able to receive something[2:26]<Crenn-NAS> Yes[2:26]<Guest18204> no[2:26]<Hydrazine> silly Guest18204[2:27]<Guest18204> silly Hydrazine you need the dord[2:27]<Crenn-NAS> So the ATMega88 is running at 3.3V?[2:27]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)[2:27]<Guest18204> are you sure it's plugged in?[2:27]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: It will work, just the bits will be 'back to front'[2:28]<BenO> Hydrazine, do you know what device the i2c shows up as? or is that yet to be put in?[2:29]<Hydrazine> BenO: No idea[2:29]<Crenn-NAS> Also, in your code, shouldn't this line while(!(SPSR & (1<<SPIF))) be like this: while(!(SPSR & (1<<SPIF)));[2:29]<Hydrazine> copied it right out the datasheet :P[2:30]<Guest18204> maybe the scanner cut the end of the line off on the datasheet[2:30]<Crenn-NAS> There is a ; the next line xD[2:30]<Hydrazine> I transfered something ![2:31]<Crenn-NAS> What did you do different?[2:31]<Guest18204> he plugged it in[2:32]<Crenn-NAS> BenO: I haven't heard anything about an I2C driver[2:32]<Crenn-NAS> Guest18204: Sarccasm detected[2:33]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Don't leave us hanging here ;P[2:33]<Hydrazine> yeah, working on it[2:33]<Hydrazine> I fixed "something"[2:33]<Crenn-NAS> You don't know what yet?[2:33]<Hydrazine> uhuh[2:33]<Guest18204> by something means he added a ; pn the end[2:33]<BenO> Crenn-NAS, Just wondered if and where the i2c appears[2:33]<danieldaniel> why won't my raspberry pi turn on[2:33]<Guest18204> *on[2:34]<Hydrazine> well, that ; helped :P[2:34]<SpeedEvil> danieldaniel: Have you plugged it in?[2:34]<Hydrazine> and now I have some nonsense on the screen[2:34]<danieldaniel> SpeedEvil: Oh, thanks![2:34]<danieldaniel> That fixed it[2:35]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: Using an ac adapter?[2:35]<danieldaniel> no[2:35]<danieldaniel> I soldered a bunch of stuff on it[2:35]<Guest18204> Hydrazine: Try turning it off and on again[2:35]<Hydrazine> I tried[2:35]<danieldaniel> and my room smells like smoke[2:35]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: So you fucked it up?[2:35]<danieldaniel> Guest18204: Yeah[2:35]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: Time to buy a new one then[2:35]<danieldaniel> Yeah[2:35]<danieldaniel> in a few year[2:35]<Hydrazine> two black squares, an underscore and a question mark[2:36]<Hydrazine> danieldaniel: didn't you just short the powersupply?[2:36]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Have you set the DORD bit yet?[2:36]<Guest18204> You do know these forums posts about resoldering all the compontents on the forums were satirical right?[2:36]<danieldaniel> Hydrazine: no?[2:36]<Hydrazine> I set it[2:37]<Hydrazine> gonna try it without now :D[2:37]<Guest18204> Nooooo don't unset the dord[2:37]<Guest18204> you'll create a blackhole[2:37]<Crenn-NAS> I'm waiting to hear then xD[2:37]<Guest18204> new blog post fyi[2:37]<Crenn-NAS> Where?[2:37]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) Quit (Quit: Gaming Time!)[2:38]<Hydrazine> :([2:38]<Hydrazine> nope, did not work[2:39]<Hydrazine> same result, two black squares, an underscore and a question mark[2:39]<Guest18204> wooo more rain[2:40]<Crenn-NAS> What are you using to read the output of the ATMega88?[2:40]<Guest18204> the river is already overflooded, I don't think my little town can handle much more!!![2:40]<Crenn-NAS> You should at least be getting a different result from the DORD bit[2:40]<Hydrazine> yeah, maybe I forgot to actually build the new code :([2:41]<Guest18204> ROFL[2:41]<Hydrazine> everything is possible when it's almost 3AM[2:41]<mrdragons> Heh[2:41]<Hydrazine> ITS WORKING[2:41]<Crenn-NAS> Awesome[2:42]<Hydrazine> pics in 2minutes[2:42]<Crenn-NAS> :D[2:42]<Crenn-NAS> But see if you can't up the speed xD[2:43]<Guest18204> raaaaaiiiiiiiiiin[2:44]* prebz_ (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[2:44]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz_[2:48]<Hydrazine> there's a small problem :([2:48]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[2:48]<Crenn-NAS> What's that?[2:48]<Hydrazine> I kinda used the SD-card from the camera for my Rpi[2:48]<Hydrazine> and I don't have a working spare[2:48]<Crenn-NAS> And the camera doesn't have an internal memory?[2:49]<Crenn-NAS> Phone camera?[2:49]<Hydrazine> nope[2:49]<Guest18204> sd cards are everywhere now[2:49]<Guest18204> go buy some off amazon[2:49]<Hydrazine> hehe[2:49]<Hydrazine> let's see if I can fix something[2:49]<Guest18204> so now you've wiped the sd card and lost your mothers treasured family snaps from last christmas?[2:50]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: You better! Having SPI working is something I very much want to get working xD[2:54]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi[2:54]* PiBot sets mode +v kcj[2:54]* haltdef (~ponies@81-179-237-230.static.dsl.pipex.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[2:55]<Hydrazine> found something[2:56]<Guest18204> your desire to give up?[2:56]<Hydrazine> xD[2:56]<Hydrazine> lolnope[2:57]<NucWin> a micro sd with adapter?[2:57]* Oxquad (~Oxquad@omexis.sted.ca) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:57]<Guest18204> NucWin: Speed would suck though[2:57]<Hydrazine> an old camera with a compact flash card[2:58]<Guest18204> compact flash is to sd cards is like ide hdd drives to sata harddrives[2:58]<Guest18204> it's not gonna fit captain[2:59]* gregrob|canada (~gregrob@bas1-brampton13-1279590568.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[2:59]* PiBot sets mode +v gregrob|canada[2:59]<danieldaniel> i sorta had to throw my raspberry pi[2:59]<danieldaniel> when I got burnt[2:59]<NucWin> sata connector sux[2:59]<danieldaniel> i'm really not sure if its broken[3:00]<Guest18204> NucWin: Umm[3:00]<danieldaniel> if I plug it in[3:00]<danieldaniel> whats the worst that can happen[3:00]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: Does it rattle if you shake it?[3:00]<danieldaniel> no[3:00]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: Stick it in a bag of rice for 24 hours[3:00]<danieldaniel> no water[3:00]<danieldaniel> :P[3:00]<Guest18204> Do it anyway[3:00]<danieldaniel> why?[3:00]<Guest18204> Just to be safe[3:01]<danieldaniel> there was no water anywhere near it[3:01]<Hydrazine> it doesn't work anymore :([3:01]<Hydrazine> only got 1 picture of it[3:01]<danieldaniel> if i plug it in[3:01]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: What are you planning on plugging it into?[3:01]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: How isn't it working anymore?[3:02]<Guest18204> Crenn-NAS: He snapped it in half in frustration[3:02]<danieldaniel> still works[3:02]<danieldaniel> plugged it into the wall[3:02]<Guest18204> the wall?[3:02]<Hydrazine> It showed text once, but now it doesn't init anymore[3:02]<danieldaniel> a usb port[3:02]<Hydrazine> the LCD[3:02]<danieldaniel> hmm[3:02]<Guest18204> I wish my house had usb ports in the wall[3:03]<danieldaniel> the LEDs are broken[3:03]<Hydrazine> I hate this :'([3:03]<danieldaniel> Guest18204: one of those kindle things[3:03]<Hydrazine> must be something stupid[3:03]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: An ac adapter?[3:03]<NucWin> Hydrazine bang it on the desk a little[3:03]<danieldaniel> Guest18204: yeah[3:03]<NucWin> cant hurt[3:03]<danieldaniel> But the status LEDs are broken[3:03]<Hydrazine> hehe[3:03]<danieldaniel> Hydrazine: your RPI broke?[3:03]<Guest18204> Hydrazine: Stick it in a bag of rice for 24 hours[3:03]<Hydrazine> lolnope to both :P[3:04]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Is the RPi doing the interfacing to the EN pins of the LCD?[3:04]<danieldaniel> hmm[3:04]<danieldaniel> I hear a little hissing noise[3:04]<danieldaniel> I heard it before[3:04]<danieldaniel> but its louder nopw[3:04]<danieldaniel> now*[3:04]<Guest18204> Isn't this bloody thing supposed to be unbrickable?[3:04]<BenO> It has a polyfuse[3:04]<Guest18204> danieldaniel: Your capacitor may be about to explode[3:04]<BenO> You may have blown it doing whatever it was you were doing[3:05]<Hydrazine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26537051/DSCN0047.JPG[3:05]<danieldaniel> FU[3:05]<danieldaniel> oh crap[3:05]<danieldaniel> should I unplug it?[3:05]<Hydrazine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26537051/DSCN0050.JPG[3:05]<danieldaniel> unplugged[3:05]<danieldaniel> it smells like its burnt[3:05]<danieldaniel> :([3:05]<danieldaniel> Im actually crying now[3:05]<Guest18204> try unplugging the ribbon cable[3:05]<danieldaniel> it wasn't plugged in[3:05]<danieldaniel> The hissing noise hasn't stopped[3:06]<danieldaniel> quieter though[3:06]<BenO> danieldaniel, have you soldered the pins together on the board?[3:06]<Crenn-NAS> RIP RPi?[3:06]<Hydrazine> the first victim :P[3:06]<hamitron> only the first? ;/[3:06]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: How is the LCD connected?[3:06]<danieldaniel> BenO: I don't think so[3:06]<danieldaniel> BenO: It has solder on them though[3:07]<danieldaniel> a lot...[3:07]<Hydrazine> crappy wires[3:07]<danieldaniel> oh god[3:07]<BenO> Let it cool down for a while[3:07]<danieldaniel> I got solder not he board[3:07]<danieldaniel> a huge chunk[3:07]<danieldaniel> i didn't even notice it[3:07]<danieldaniel> on the*[3:08]* Guest18204_ (5ec430e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.196.48.227) has joined #raspberrypi[3:08]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest18204_[3:08]* shirkey (~shirkey@202.43.115.94) has joined #raspberrypi[3:08]* PiBot sets mode +v shirkey[3:08]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: I mean how is it connected to the system? To just the RPi or both the RPi and the ATMega?[3:08]* Guest18204_ is now known as Guest34268[3:09]<Hydrazine> both the atmega and the Rpi[3:09]<danieldaniel> I don't know what I should do[3:09]<Hydrazine> but you've seen the code the atmega is running[3:09]<danieldaniel> Should I throw it out?[3:09]<danieldaniel> I can't plug it back in[3:09]<Hydrazine> danieldaniel: sell it on ebay[3:09]<danieldaniel> Hydrazine: really?[3:09]<danieldaniel> Should I?[3:09]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: Don't be a cunt[3:10]* Guest18204 (5ec430e3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.196.48.227) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[3:10]<danieldaniel> Well[3:10]<danieldaniel> If someone wants to fix it for me[3:10]<Hydrazine> don't try to sell it as a working one of course[3:10]<danieldaniel> oh[3:10]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: How old are you?[3:10]<danieldaniel> i know[3:10]<danieldaniel> :P[3:10]<danieldaniel> Guest34268: why?[3:10]<Hydrazine> well, I'm going to sleep[3:10]* gregrob|canada (~gregrob@bas1-brampton13-1279590568.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:11]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: Because you were crying, and I'm wondering why the fuck someone has let you fuck around with a soldering iron at your age[3:11]* gregrob|canada (~gregrob@bas1-brampton13-1279590568.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]* PiBot sets mode +v gregrob|canada[3:11]<Crenn-NAS> Anyway, good to know SPI is getting close[3:11]<Hydrazine> I'll try to fix it tomorrow[3:11]<Hydrazine> yeah, almost there[3:11]<Crenn-NAS> I also want Multiple bytes ;D[3:11]* DooMMasteR (~DooMMaste@unaffiliated/doommaster) has left #raspberrypi[3:11]<danieldaniel> Guest34268: I was kidding about the crying[3:11]* haltdef (~ponies@81-179-237-230.static.dsl.pipex.com) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]* PiBot sets mode +v haltdef[3:11]<Guest34268> This isn't bloody CSI, you don't just go prodding at electronic devices with a soldering iron hoping to make them "better" in the process.[3:11]<danieldaniel> I felt like it though[3:11]<danieldaniel> oh[3:11]<RITRedbeard> enhance.[3:11]<Hydrazine> nvm, gonna try one last time[3:11]<RITRedbeard> enhance.[3:12]<RITRedbeard> enhanc- goddamnit![3:12]<Hydrazine> goodbye sleep[3:12]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Hahahaha[3:12]<Guest34268> Hydrazine: Stick it in a bag of rice for 24 hours[3:12]* uen| (~uen@p5DCB243A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:12]* PiBot sets mode +v uen|[3:12]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Rice is your answer for everything, isn't it?[3:12]<hamitron> I thought the whole point of the r-pi, was for traditional hacking and pushing your skills to the limit?[3:12]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: In terms of fixing stuff[3:12]<hamitron> (note: to the limit, not beyond ;)[3:13]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: It's not my answer to help a failing marriage, if that's what your asking[3:13]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: So if someone's colon isn't working, what would you suggest?[3:13]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189-83-174-222.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #raspberrypi[3:13]* PiBot sets mode +v P4R4N01D[3:13]<Guest34268> surgery[3:13]<danieldaniel> But it was a serious question[3:13]<danieldaniel> What should I do with it?[3:13]<Guest34268> hamitron: But only if you actually know what you're doing[3:13]<danieldaniel> I am genuinely scared to plug it in[3:14]* Guest17177 (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:14]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:14]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: Recycle it[3:14]<Crenn-NAS> danieldaniel: I don't think you should plug it in[3:14]<danieldaniel> brb[3:14]<Crenn-NAS> Take marco shots of it and look at where the solder is bridging[3:14]<hamitron> danieldaniel, remove the mods you've done first, then test with stuff you don't mind breaking[3:14]<danieldaniel> hamitron: I already removed the "mods"[3:14]<hamitron> or do as Crenn-NAS said if you are unsure[3:14]<Guest34268> hamitron: He didn't mod anything.. he just attacked it with a soldering iron[3:15]<hamitron> :/[3:15]<danieldaniel> i tried to attach something[3:15]<danieldaniel> it didn't work[3:15]<Guest34268> a biscuit?[3:15]<danieldaniel> no[3:15]<danieldaniel> >.>[3:15]<Guest34268> what then?[3:15]<danieldaniel> if anyone want sit[3:15]<Guest34268> I want it[3:15]<danieldaniel> brb[3:15]<Guest34268> I'll give you 20 pence[3:15]<Guest34268> I won't pay for delivery though[3:15]* uen (~uen@p5DCB2456.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[3:15]<Guest34268> I'll pick it up if you live close[3:16]<danieldaniel> I live in the US[3:16]<danieldaniel> and how much is 20 pence?[3:16]<hamitron> you have nothing to lose, trying to fix it[3:16]<Guest34268> oh[3:16]<Crenn-NAS> danieldaniel: Less than a quarter[3:17]* passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:17]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Err what[3:17]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: 20p is over 30 cents[3:17]<Crenn-NAS> Sorry, conversion the wrong way xD[3:18]<danieldaniel> you know what[3:18]<Guest34268> Well it's either that or he'll have to pay to recycle it.[3:18]<danieldaniel> i threw it out[3:18]<hamitron> I'd take some macro pictures and ask for help[3:18]<Guest34268> Because I'll come round your house and murder you if you just throw it out[3:18]<Guest34268> You don't just bin electronics like that[3:18]<Crenn-NAS> It's been a while since I had to convert between GBP and USD[3:18]<Guest34268> They have dangerous chemicals and metals[3:18]<BenO> danieldaniel, take some clear photos of the top and underside of the board[3:19]<Guest34268> They need to be properly recycled[3:19]<hamitron> if nothing else, you should use a hacksaw to cut it into slices, and sell them on ebay[3:19]<Guest34268> hamitron: Sell them as bookmarks![3:19]<hamitron> Guest34268, "slices of pi"[3:19]<hamitron> ;/[3:19]<Guest34268> I REALLY want to know what you were attempting to mod onto it[3:20]<Hydrazine> more pictures \o/[3:20]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: More pictures did you say?[3:20]<danieldaniel> its in the garbage[3:20]<Hydrazine> It's working again[3:20]<Crenn-NAS> How about moving pictures? ;D[3:20]<danieldaniel> I give up[3:20]<danieldaniel> OK?[3:20]<danieldaniel> I give up.[3:20]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: TELL ME[3:20]<Hydrazine> don't know what crashed[3:20]<Hydrazine> it[3:20]<Guest34268> I neeeed to know[3:21]<Guest34268> Tell us what you tried to solder onto it[3:21]<Hydrazine> but might have been crappy drivers or just pebkac[3:21]* Syliss (~Syliss@108.210.165.132) has joined #raspberrypi[3:21]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[3:21]<danieldaniel> bye[3:21]<Crenn-NAS> danieldaniel: Sometimes it's best to set it aside (not in the bin) and come back to it later[3:21]<Guest34268> Hydrazine: Don't ever blame the drivers for your own incompetence[3:21]<Guest34268> OH COME ON[3:21]<Guest34268> you have to bloody tell us[3:21]<hamitron> some of my greatest achievements have been fixing things I've broken ;)[3:21]<Guest34268> What were you trying to solder onto it?[3:22]<Guest34268> danieldaniel: TEEEEELL MEEEEEEEEEEE[3:22]<Hydrazine> hehe[3:22]<Crenn-NAS> hamitron: Last year I usually had to fix things my project partner broke :([3:22]<Hydrazine> my camera is really good at focussing at the wrong objects[3:23]<Hydrazine> Crenn-NAS: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26537051/DSCN0053.JPG[3:23]<hamitron> Crenn-NAS, haha, that is a lot more annoying than fixing your own mistakes[3:23]<hamitron> :)[3:23]<Guest34268> Hydrazine: That's why you set it to autofocus in the centre and then recompose after it's focused[3:23]<hamitron> anyways, 2:20am[3:23]<Hydrazine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26537051/DSCN0059.JPG[3:23]<hamitron> and the r-pi is "overdone"[3:23]* seankthx (~seankthx@c-71-199-102-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:23]<hamitron> ;/[3:23]<Hydrazine> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26537051/DSCN0063.JPG[3:24]<hamitron> so may as well sleep[3:24]<Hydrazine> hey, it's 3:22AM here[3:24]<Guest34268> It's 2:23 here[3:24]<Hydrazine> so you're not allowed to complain :P[3:24]<hamitron> I am allowed to complain ;/[3:24]<hamitron> it is what I do damn it[3:24]<hamitron> ;p[3:24]<Guest34268> How much was the display?[3:24]<Hydrazine> xD[3:24]<Hydrazine> 5 euros I think[3:25]<Guest34268> And what are you going to use it for?[3:25]<hamitron> love the clear breadboard[3:25]<Hydrazine> uhm, nothing atm[3:25]<Hydrazine> I want to use the SPI interface for some wireless tranceivers[3:25]<Guest34268> It'd be cool to mount in on the front of a case to show to some useless stats like temp and cpu usage[3:26]<Hydrazine> hehe :P[3:27]<hamitron> so long as you aren't in the UK, you could set it to show status of your download of tpb[3:27]<hamitron> ;)[3:27]<hamitron> off*[3:27]<Hydrazine> xD[3:28]<Guest34268> hamitron: Meh, I'm not fussed about that[3:28]<Guest34268> hamitron: Everyone with any sense moved to mininova years ago, and then moved on from mininova after that got caught with it's pants down[3:29]<Guest34268> kickasstorrents is where it's at nowadays[3:29]<hamitron> doesn't affect me personally[3:29]<hamitron> but it is just scarey[3:29]<Guest34268> hamitron: Yeah, seeing as it's a piece of piss to get around[3:29]<hamitron> tm it is ;/[3:29]<hamitron> atm*[3:30]<Guest34268> hamitron: Sure, it's like with belgium or whereever.. They instituted a country wide filter which was originally against pedophillia.. And then some else wanted piracy blocked, so the judge said oh well we already have the system in place, why the hell not..[3:31]<Guest34268> WHERE DOES IT END[3:31]<Guest34268> And it's not like you can fight it either.. They would just label you as a pedo supporter[3:31]<Guest34268> THINK OF THE CHILDREN[3:32]<hamitron> if you tried to visit a site, promoting the shooting off all pedo, you'll get labelled in "the bad group"[3:32]<hamitron> of*[3:32]<Guest34268> shooting of?[3:32]<hamitron> yeh[3:32]<hamitron> killing them[3:33]<Guest34268> we don't kill people here in europe, we believe it's somewhat barbaric[3:33]<hamitron> not everyone believes what we are told to believe[3:33]<hamitron> ;/[3:34]<hamitron> I personally wouldn't shoot them, it would mean too much cost[3:34]<hamitron> you can re-use rope[3:34]<hamitron> ;)[3:34]<Guest34268> Meh, if you wanted efficiency you should follow china[3:35]<Guest34268> they have portable execution buses[3:35]<hamitron> double-dip recession and all that, gotta make saving when executing people[3:35]<Guest34268> why bring you to the execution when they can bring the execution to you![3:35]<Hydrazine> good night #raspberrypi, going to sleep for real now[3:35]<hamitron> haha[3:35]<hamitron> nn hydra[3:35]<Guest34268> night[3:35]<Guest34268> Am I the only one who thinks danieldaniel is a fucking idiot?[3:36]<hamitron> be fair[3:36]<hamitron> we all make mistakes ;/[3:36]<Guest34268> Oh waa waa I attacked my rpi with a soldering iron and now it's making a hissing noise and won't turn on.[3:37]<Guest34268> hamitron: What did he expect would happen?[3:37]<hamitron> I took my cd player apart a few days ago[3:37]<Guest34268> hamitron: He won't even tell us what this "mod" was.[3:37]<hamitron> because cd were jumping[3:37]<hamitron> and dropped it :/[3:37]<hamitron> all bits went all over[3:37]<Guest34268> Dropping is the solution to most things[3:37]<hamitron> so that was kinda bad I guess[3:38]<hamitron> used it as an excuse to use the bits inside for my own projects ;)[3:38]<Guest34268> When most PMPs used the little hdds they would often get stuck, the solution was to drop 'em[3:38]<hamitron> and buy a new cd player \o/[3:38]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:38]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[3:38]<Guest34268> Or you could just abandon the use of cds for music like the rest of the world[3:39]<hamitron> cd is great[3:39]<Guest34268> Get one of these sandisk ones[3:39]<Guest34268> They're super cheap and tiny, and the chip inside is supposed to be audiophillically okay[3:39]<Guest34268> I think I just made that word up[3:40]<hamitron> probably get a mini hifi system[3:40]<hamitron> cd, radio job[3:40]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: I think you're an a*****e[3:41]<Guest34268> a what[3:41]<Guest34268> has this channel started censoring now?[3:41]<Crenn-NAS> No, I self censor ;P[3:41]<Guest34268> why?[3:42]<Crenn-NAS> I have my reasons[3:42]<hamitron> "This is a PG13 channel. Please remember there may be kids in here."[3:42]<Guest34268> If you feel the need to self-sensor wouldn't you just choose a different word?[3:42]<Guest34268> *censor[3:42]<jaxdahl> or fbi agents posing as kids[3:42]<Guest34268> jaxdahl: swearing isn't illegal so why would fbi agents be interested?[3:43]<hamitron> it is rude and better not to do it in a chan for education, tbh ;)[3:43]<Crenn-NAS> hamitron: The amusing thing is, I didn't even see that xD[3:44]<Guest34268> hamitron: I am certain zero education goes on here.[3:44]<Guest34268> hamitron: And this isn't a chan[3:44]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: I'm pretty sure it was happening previously[3:45]<hamitron> those who are aggressive and swear a lot on IRC, are obviously trying to make up for something they lack in real life[3:45]* hamitron sighs[3:45]<Guest34268> hamitron: I don't disagree[3:45]<Crenn-NAS> hamitron: Conkers?[3:46]<Guest34268> conkers is banned nowadays isn't it?[3:46]<Hydrazine> Crenn-NAS: still have to thank you for noticing all my stupid little mistakes[3:46]<Hydrazine> so thx[3:46]<Guest34268> Besides, it's the wrong time of year[3:46]<Hydrazine> and I really should sleep now[3:47]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: Not a problem, glad I could help :D[3:47]<Guest34268> Wait what, when did he mention conkers?[3:48]<hamitron> anyways[3:48]<hamitron> time I logged off[3:48]<hamitron> o/[3:48]<Crenn-NAS> hamitron: Cya tomorrow?[3:48]<Guest34268> it is tomorrow[3:48]* wej (~j@95.211.10.3) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[3:48]<hamitron> probably be online[3:48]<hamitron> :)[3:49]<hamitron> o/[3:49]* hamitron (~hamitron@just.screw-the.eu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[3:51]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: It is never tomorrow[3:52]<Guest34268> depends on whether you experience the passing of time as linear[3:52]* Ben64 (~Ben64@cpe-76-174-222-136.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:53]<Crenn-NAS> And what speed you're traveling[3:54]* wej (~j@95.211.10.3) has joined #raspberrypi[3:54]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[3:54]<Guest34268> and how close you are to a gravitational singularity[3:55]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:56]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:56]* PiBot sets mode +v mkopack[3:56]<Guest34268> hi mkopack[3:57]* Ben64 (~Ben64@cpe-76-174-222-136.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[3:57]* PiBot sets mode +v Ben64[3:58]<Guest34268> hi Ben64[3:58]<Ben64> hi[3:58]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Wouldn't know about that, that's not my field[3:59]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: It's all basic stuff[4:00]* TTSDA (~Cookies@unaffiliated/ttsda) has joined #raspberrypi[4:00]* PiBot sets mode +v TTSDA[4:00]* Syliss (~Syliss@108.210.165.132) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[4:00]<[TH]exfileme> long day[4:00]* TTSDA_ (~Cookies@bl7-73-240.dsl.telepac.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[4:01]<Guest34268> [TH]exfileme: How so?[4:02]<Guest34268> [TH]exfileme: As you experience each day faster as you age wouldn't each progressive day be perceived slightly shorter than the last?[4:03]<[TH]exfileme> ;)[4:03]<[TH]exfileme> i think i just blew a fuse[4:03]<mkopack> Why?[4:03]<Guest34268> you should get that looked at[4:05]<[TH]exfileme> no a fuse in my head. We were troubleshooting a power supply issue in a rig and all along the CPU power connnecter was never attached. I need a bed or a drink[4:05]<Crenn-NAS> [TH]exfileme: Or both?[4:05]<[TH]exfileme> both.[4:06]<Guest34268> not at the same time though[4:07]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)[4:07]<mkopack> I got ya beat. I once spent hours trying to get a machine working. Even went so far as to take it to a mom and pop shop to have the, try to figure out why it wasn't working...[4:08]<mkopack> And fine minutes after getting It there I noticed that the psu had a 220/110v switch on it and was set to 220v. Flipped to 110 and it fired right up[4:09]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: The real world is just a crappy game... The ideal world can only be found within a game. Such was my believe. But if an ideal can be found within a crappy game, there may be an ideal route in the real world... for me to discover)[4:09]<Guest34268> UGHHHH[4:09]<[TH]exfileme> it's easy to overlook the obvious. I kept looking at the empty connector socket too thinking "Im missing something."[4:09]<Guest34268> hate that part message so much[4:09]<Crenn-NAS> mkopack: Fun thing with me, as a kid, my monitor wasn't working, so I flicked that switch to 110v as I hadn't tried that before.... no computer for 3 months xD[4:09]<mkopack> The mom and pop shop still made me pay the $50 troubleshooting fee, even though they did t do shit[4:09]<[TH]exfileme> lol figures[4:10]* aristidesfl1 (~Adium@a89-153-142-45.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[4:10]* aristidesfl1 (~Adium@a89-153-142-45.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Client Quit)[4:11]<mkopack> Man I want to do very naughty things to the Quibids spokesmodel girl....[4:11]* oberling_ (~oberling@brln-4db9d8c7.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[4:11]<mkopack> Her and the T mobile girl. Lol[4:11]* warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) has joined #raspberrypi[4:11]* PiBot sets mode +v warddr[4:11]<[TH]exfileme> i have the same thoughts for the T-Mobile girl ;)[4:11]<[TH]exfileme> nom nom[4:12]<mkopack> Wear her like a hat[4:12]<SpeedEvil> As long as Churchill insurance isn't involved.[4:12]<Crenn-NAS> And here I thought it was a PG13 channel[4:12]<mkopack> I didn't swear :)[4:13]* oberling (~oberling@brln-4d0c1b0f.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:13]* PiBot sets mode +v oberling[4:14]<Crenn-NAS> You implied adult themes? ;P[4:14]<mkopack> That's pg-13[4:15]<mkopack> Actually performing it makes it R[4:15]* oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:15]* the_real_crimper (~the_real_@cpe-98-154-91-166.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[4:15]* PiBot sets mode +v the_real_crimper[4:15]* unsignedbool (~unsignedb@f050070039.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit ()[4:15]* inter|logger is now known as xInterlopeR777x[4:16]<Guest34268> mkopack: you should be ashamed of yourself[4:16]<Crenn-NAS> I don't know, here in Australia, talking about it makes it at least M xD[4:17]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Well small boobs are illegal in australia[4:17]<mkopack> I need to move to Australia apparently![4:17]<Guest34268> I'm being serious[4:17]<Crenn-NAS> mkopack: You want to move to a convict colony?[4:17]<Guest34268> they banned them because small boobs would be encouraging pedophilia[4:18]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: I doubt you can ever be serious, sorry to say[4:18]<mkopack> Correction - large breasted convict women :)[4:18]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: I shall find you the revelent news article[4:18]<mkopack> Lol[4:18]<Guest34268> brb[4:18]* IceBlackIce (~chatzilla@195-23-82-116.net.novis.pt) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[4:18]<Guest34268> *relevent[4:18]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Onion?[4:19]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: http://theweek.com/article/index/105766/australias-small-breast-ban[4:19]<Guest34268> Is the week a decent publication?[4:19]<Crenn-NAS> mkopack: I suspect you wouldn't be the one.... on top[4:19]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Never heard of it[4:20]<Guest34268> well anyway, read the article[4:22]<Guest34268> Isn't that fucked up?[4:22]<Guest34268> I bet the wife of the governor who proposed that was obese[4:22]<Guest34268> obese I say![4:23]<Guest34268> Who doesn't love a bit of the itty bitty titties?[4:23]<[TH]exfileme> lol[4:24]* joukio (~joukio@195-240-122-121.ip.telfort.nl) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:24]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: what do you mean mkopack wouldn't be on top?[4:26]<mkopack> Problem would be trying to get a job there... You guys are really strict with immigration... I WISH the USA was[4:26]<mkopack> I wonder if my company has a division there... Hmm[4:26]<Guest34268> *cough* racist *cough*[4:26]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: I don't think it's serious[4:27]<mkopack> Not racist. Just believe in following the rules...[4:27]<mkopack> Follow the rules, open arms. Break the rules, FU[4:27]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Can't say anything more than that[4:27]<mkopack> I don't care where you came from[4:27]<Guest34268> mkopack: Are you of native american heritage?[4:27]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Want me to find another source?[4:27]<Crenn-NAS> Yes[4:28]<mkopack> You want to live here, fine, follow the rules, learn the language and integrate.. Don't come here and expect us all to cater to you[4:28]<Crenn-NAS> From either theage.com.au, news.com.au[4:28]* anon9002 (~anon@KYM5298.rh.psu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[4:28]* PiBot sets mode +v anon9002[4:28]<mkopack> Guest no.. But my ancestors came here LEGALLY, adm they made it a point to make their kids learn English[4:29]<Guest34268> mkopack: You do know that english isn't an official language of the united states right?[4:29]<Crenn-NAS> mkopack: I thought you were talking American :o[4:29]<Crenn-NAS> Sorry, couldn't resist xP;[4:29]<mkopack> Official, No, defacto YES.[4:30]* Etac_Sufbo (~aaa@n058153242100.netvigator.com) has joined #raspberrypi[4:30]* PiBot sets mode +v Etac_Sufbo[4:30]<mkopack> Constitution written in English.. Business of congress- performed in English. American Literature - ENGLISH[4:30]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/appearance-persons-age-no-comment-on-breast-size/[4:30]<mkopack> It is the COMMON language of this country.[4:31]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Blog posts don't count[4:31]<Crenn-NAS> And it seems the week is published in Australia[4:31]* gregrob|canada (~gregrob@bas1-brampton13-1279590568.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Quit: Bye)[4:31]* FZombie (~STN@pdpc/supporter/student/GPLGeek) has joined #raspberrypi[4:31]* PiBot sets mode +v FZombie[4:31]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Are you fucking kidding me? Do you want me to scan in a newspaper?[4:32]<mkopack> So why do I, as somebody born here, raised here, 4th generation have to bow down and learn Spanish, Korean, Chinese, and whatever other language to make THEM comfortable?? They chose to come here, they can melt and learn the common language, English[4:32]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: You're just being deliberately pedantic now[4:32]<Guest34268> mkopack: I don't really see your point? English isn't the official language.[4:33]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Also, it's only a certain type of media which bans 'under-age' looking peoeple[4:33]<Guest34268> Guest34268: If you want english to be your official language then you should move to england[4:33]<mkopack> Again, right not official, but it is the defacto COMMON language[4:33]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Uhh, it's the ACB[4:34]<Crenn-NAS> Yep[4:34]<FZombie> sounds like i joined just in time for a heated argument[4:35]<Guest34268> mkopack: Shouldn't the official language be Na???Dene or Algic? After all they were there first.[4:35]<Crenn-NAS> FZombie: Feel free to join it[4:35]<FZombie> why thank you[4:35]<Crenn-NAS> FZombie: Not a problem ;D[4:35]<Guest34268> FZombie: It's just your standard, bloody foreigners ruining our country argument.[4:36]<FZombie> THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!![4:36]<Crenn-NAS> THEY TOOK YOUR JOB?![4:36]<Guest34268> *JERBS[4:36]* FZombie fans the flames[4:36]<mkopack> And why does everyone suddenly think you are racist if you say you believe in immigration control[4:36]<Crenn-NAS> FZombie: Cue the song, we didn't start the fire[4:36]<mkopack> I just believe that you should follow the rules[4:37]<Guest34268> mkopack: Because it is kind of hypocritical for an ancestor of immigrants to start denying everyone else access to the "land of the free".[4:37]<mkopack> If people don't like the rules, work to get them changed, but that doesn't mean you get to just ignore them and break the law to come here illegally, work when you aren't entitled to, and take from a system that you don't pay into to support[4:37]<mkopack> Again, FOLLOw the RULES and I welcome you with open arms.. Just like my ancestors were.. We followed the URL[4:37]<FZombie> I'm called a racist because I ask that everyone regardless of race, color, creed, etc... follow the same rules or leave (my scope is private property too).[4:37]<mkopack> Raul[4:37]<mkopack> Rules[4:38]<mkopack> Stupid autocorrect[4:38]<FZombie> it's just an easy way to attack someone the media loves to hate[4:38]<Crenn-NAS> Like the Australian Government? xD[4:38]<Guest34268> mkopack: What were your ancestors?[4:38]<FZombie> My ancestors were humans.[4:39]<mkopack> If you say your are pro strict immigration, people immediately accuse you of being anti Mexican,,, yet there are PLENTY of illegals from Asian and Europe who come here... I want them ALL to follow the rules[4:39]<FZombie> mkopack, you're racist![4:39]<mkopack> Italian on moms side, polish/German/Ukrainian/welch on dads side[4:39]* cjbaird (~cjb@ppp121-45-175-149.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:39]* PiBot sets mode +v cjbaird[4:39]<FZombie> easy way to win an argument, see if you rebutt I can yell louder.[4:40]<Guest34268> FZombie: It's not really something either side can win, it's just shouting until someone gets bored and wanders off.[4:40]<FZombie> that's how our country runs though[4:40]<FZombie> and by our country i mean every country[4:40]<mkopack> Yeah[4:41]<Guest34268> FZombie: Hey hey don't lump my country in with your country[4:41]<mkopack> I don't blame the ones who were brought here as kids or who's parents came here and then had them here and now they have legal issues... I DO blame the parents though.[4:41]<FZombie> I'm required to by law[4:42]<Guest34268> mkopack: What if I'm the survivor of genocide?[4:42]<Guest34268> Like if the queen went crazier and started killing people, and I decided I didn't like england anymore and illegally moved to america[4:42]<FZombie> some countries the just kill illegals, others have prison labor camps.[4:43]<mkopack> That's political assylum, and that's for the gov to decide, not me[4:43]<Guest34268> mkopack: Would you let me in?[4:43]* Guest34268 flutters his eyelashes[4:43]<FZombie> yet people pretend that 1) usa is more cruel than the rest of the world and 2) countries have no right to be soveirgn[4:44]<FZombie> Guest34268, id give you a gun and send you back to solve your problems![4:44]<mkopack> And after a while. I have to ask, instead of coming here and turning my country into the craphole you left, why not stay where you were and try to make your country more like the USA?[4:44]<mkopack> We can't possibly take everyone[4:44]<Guest34268> Fact is mkopack, unlike some countries, america hasn't really been around for that long. You killed off most of the previous inhabitants and proclaimed this new land in the name of freedom. And now it's all yours and noone else gets to come in?[4:45]<FZombie> Finally someone gets it[4:45]<Guest34268> FZombie: Guns are mostly illegal here[4:45]<Guest34268> FZombie: Unless you're a farmer[4:45]* anon9002 (~anon@KYM5298.rh.psu.edu) Quit (Quit: leaving)[4:45]<FZombie> doesn't matter[4:45]<mkopack> We get to choose who comes in[4:45]<FZombie> you would be a freedom fighter, most laws would be broken[4:45]<Guest34268> why[4:45]<FZombie> laws are just paper and tears[4:45]<mkopack> Because it is our country, our rules. Don't like it, tough, stay home[4:46]<ReggieUK> indeed[4:46]<ReggieUK> australia have the right idea[4:46]<Guest34268> wait a second, why would I turn america into a craphole?[4:46]<mkopack> If I come to your country, you expect me to follow the laws in your country, don't you?[4:46]<Guest34268> mkopack: Oh, like sharia law?[4:47]<ReggieUK> mkopack, that's highly debateable depending on the person and the place[4:47]<mkopack> You obviously don't live here... I've had my property value drop like a rock because of all the illegals moving in all around me.[4:47]<Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Right idea in terms of what?[4:47]<Guest34268> mkopack: where do you live?[4:47]<mkopack> Atlanta, ga[4:47]<ReggieUK> right idea in terms of immigration and attitude towards immigrants in general[4:47]<FZombie> The people are totally anonymous coming in and that's a problem. If I'm in my own country I'm required to ID myself and I'm fine with that.[4:47]<ReggieUK> it's not rude[4:47]<ReggieUK> just to the point[4:48]<FZombie> it's to maintain a tax system and public services and safety[4:48]<ReggieUK> if you don't like our rules, go home[4:48]<Guest34268> mkopack: in the centre?[4:48]<Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: Lock them up for a year or so?[4:48]<mkopack> We've had a huge uptake in gang violence, all the local businesses are leaving my area, property values are tanking[4:48]<mkopack> Suburbs.[4:48]<Guest34268> sandy springs?[4:48]<mkopack> Duluth[4:48]<FZombie> people who legally come over get screwed because their lines get longer as more illegals come in so they are actually screwing their own people too.[4:49]<mkopack> Yup, exactly Fzombie[4:49]<FZombie> I lived in SanDiego for a long time we had to move north because of the violence and undocumented people commiting rape, robbery, etc...[4:49]<FZombie> but its more complicated than that, I've had friends from across the border too.[4:50]<Guest34268> apparently according to google reviews the hooters in duluth sucks[4:50]* cjbaird (~cjb@ppp121-45-175-149.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) has left #raspberrypi[4:50]<FZombie> My friend lost his brother who decided to go across illegally and a coyote_smuggler trapped him in a 53 foot trailer and left it in the sun. 110 people died.[4:50]<mkopack> Yup... It has gone downhill over the last 14 years that I've lived here[4:51]<Guest34268> mkopack: I think I have enough information to start stalking you now.[4:51]<mkopack> I used to go all the time... Then the clientele changed, the staff changed... Lot of scumbags started going, the service started getting really bad, et[4:51]<FZombie> for their own safety I wish they would stop, at the same time we should have a sane process and reduce the beurocracy for legal labor programs[4:51]<mkopack> Buddy dragged me there this sat night for dinner. We waited over an hour to get our food. I was pissed[4:52]<Guest34268> hmm[4:52]<Guest34268> how long were you planning on spending there?[4:52]<Guest34268> If you were making an evening of it and were drinking, I wouldn't mind waiting an hour[4:53]<mkopack> And I have a real problem with the whole h1B visa crap for IT workers, because companies claim they can't find qualified us workers, yet nearly EVERY h1b person I interviewed was clueless and useless[4:53]<mkopack> Train an American to do the job instead of just saying "we will bring in somebody who was taught to pass a test and has no clue how to actually do anything"[4:54]<mkopack> Companies just use that excuse so they can pay the h1b person 1/2 the pay[4:54]<FZombie> I lost a job in IT, replaced by a H1B, a guy who never had a computer or worked IT ever[4:54]<FZombie> they wanted me to train him to replace me[4:54]<Guest34268> Actually that is a big issue in countries like japan, they will sometimes have to bring in western engineers because their education system doesn't encourage the same sort of creativity that ours does.[4:56]<mkopack> Well, Japan is also facing a real problem due to the graying of their population[4:56]<mkopack> We would also be having problems with that with all the baby boomers going away if it wasn't for immigration...[4:56]<Guest34268> by graying are you referring to aging?[4:56]<mkopack> Us[4:56]<mkopack> Yes, their baby boomers are retiring just like ours, but they don't have the immigration to help offset it like we do[4:57]<mkopack> Immigration in of itself isn't bad... It just needs to be controlled and metered[4:57]<FZombie> mainly we need to have people identified and screened[4:57]<mkopack> And I have a real problem with those who break the rules to come here illegally, and then take take take from the system - overrunning our schools and hospitals.[4:58]<FZombie> to keep out felons and rapists and to track people for taxes[4:58]<mkopack> You can't even really get help at an emergency room here anymore because it's overrun with illegals, and they NEVER pay[4:58]<FZombie> I worked in a Emergency Room for a long time as security[4:58]<FZombie> you don't have to tell me about that mess[4:58]<FZombie> I lived it[4:58]<mkopack> Yeah[4:59]<FZombie> cold? flu? hangnail? yes all free care for people who don't ID themselves[4:59]<mkopack> So, in short, it's not like we don't have legitimate beefs with illegal immigration[4:59]<Guest34268> the american health system is complete fubar anyway[4:59]<mkopack> Fzombie, yeah, not to mention that's NOT what an ER is for[5:00]<Guest34268> a "socialised" system would be much better for everyone[5:01]* n17ikh (~peter@c-174-56-150-44.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[5:01]<ecto2> i know you didnt just say that[5:01]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has left #raspberrypi[5:01]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: Out of curiousity, Rabbit or Liar?[5:02]<Guest34268> huh?[5:02]<mkopack> Anyhow, I'm out. Later gang[5:02]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: I thought you were in Australia[5:02]<ecto2> socialized medicine isnt in the peoples best interest, ugh i've made some bad choices and smoked a great deal of my life i really need a lung transplant or ill die... doctor "NO"[5:02]* mkopack (~mkopack@c-24-98-202-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[5:03]<Guest34268> ecto2: WOW.. you actually believe people with pre-existing conditions shouldn't be entitled to healthcare?[5:03]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Hell no. God save the queen![5:03]* jamesglanville1 (~james@global-2-74.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[5:03]* PiBot sets mode +v jamesglanville1[5:03]* jamesglanville (~james@global-2-74.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[5:04]<ecto2> im a big bank owner too big to fail and got bailed out multiple times i like prostitues and smoking meth i need a lung/liver transplant doctor "ok ill get you in nextweek"[5:04]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: God save the queen[5:04]<Guest34268> ecto2: You do know that privatized options would still be available for these willing to pay for better care?[5:06]<Guest34268> ecto2: Over here in the UK we have the NHS and then we have services like BUPA for people with too much money[5:07]<Crenn-NAS> Guest34268: In Australia we have medicare, which does almost bugger all now :([5:07]<Crenn-NAS> But at least I can see a GP for free[5:08]<Guest34268> But for example, unlike the USA, over here you will NEVER encounter the situation where you have to choose which fingers to keep after accidentally sawing them off, because you can only afford to keep 2.[5:10]<Guest34268> Over here we also don't have the situation with giant pharmaceuticals massively overcharging consumers for drugs just because they can[5:11]<Guest34268> Anti cancer pills? That'll be ??7.20[5:11]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[5:11]* PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook[5:13]* n17ikh_ (~peter@c-174-56-150-44.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:13]* PiBot sets mode +v n17ikh_[5:14]<ecto2> i've yet to meet a vet that goes to the VA and is satisfied[5:14]<Guest34268> VA?[5:15]<ecto2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Administration[5:15]<ecto2> free jarhead healthcare[5:16]<Guest34268> So what?[5:16]<Guest34268> At least it's an option for fucks sake[5:17]<ecto2> "doctor i have serious problems probably from that one time we blew up a biological weapons dump or got sprayed with agent orange back in nam i need some serious help" doctor says "go fly a kite"[5:17]<Guest34268> If they want to pay for a better experience then they are free to do so..[5:17]* mjorgensen (quassel@nat/nokia/x-eeiqnaqlnjsvxcta) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[5:17]<ecto2> seriously get that shit out of here its way off topic you want social medicine goto canada or north korea[5:18]* mjorgensen (quassel@nat/nokia/x-gkftmdlmmprrokmp) has joined #raspberrypi[5:18]* PiBot sets mode +v mjorgensen[5:18]<ecto2> stop spreading your propaganda[5:18]<Guest34268> O.o[5:18]<ecto2> this isnt occupy #raspberrypi[5:18]<Guest34268> My propaganda? To be honest mate I couldn't really give a toss.[5:19]<Guest34268> This is just a spin-off of a conversation mkopack started[5:19]<Crenn-NAS> ecto2: You're saying Canada is as bad as North Korea?[5:19]<ecto2> heh[5:20]<Guest34268> Crenn-NAS: Don't even bother, it's pretty obvious he's an ignorant ass. 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We gone, bye bye)[5:57]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@i-195-137-107-162.freedom2surf.net) Quit (Quit: Wedgybo)[5:57]<RITRedbeard> anyone awake?[5:58]<RITRedbeard> the subset of those awake, do you own an external USB battery/charger? yes? no?[5:59]<tntexplosivesltd> o.O[5:59]<tntexplosivesltd> what kind of battery?[5:59]<Crenn-NAS> RITRedbeard: Yes[6:00]<RITRedbeard> they're these battery packs meant for mobile devices... they're basically like Adafruit's Mintyboost but they usually have chargers in them as well.[6:00]<RITRedbeard> And they're already assembled :P[6:00]<tntexplosivesltd> ah[6:00]<tntexplosivesltd> then no =([6:00]<RITRedbeard> Crenn-NAS, which one(s) and can you charge the battery while outputting power to device at same time?[6:02]<Crenn-NAS> RITRedbeard: Yes, engergiser XP18000[6:02]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[6:03]<Crenn-NAS> It's a massive thing though, meant for laptop[6:03]<RITRedbeard> Ah, how many mAh?[6:04]<tntexplosivesltd> 18000[6:04]<tntexplosivesltd> that's right, eighteen thousand[6:04]<tntexplosivesltd> that's quite a lot[6:04]<RITRedbeard> damn[6:04]<RITRedbeard> oh[6:05]<RITRedbeard> I guess it says so in the damn product name[6:05]<tntexplosivesltd> like, a very very long time running the pi[6:05]<tntexplosivesltd> http://www.energizerpowerpacks.com/us/products/xp18000/[6:05]<tntexplosivesltd> "Tech specs"[6:05]<tntexplosivesltd> http://www.xpalpower.us/demos/xp18000/tech-specs.html?keepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=448&width=728[6:06]<BenO> DO WANT[6:07]<RITRedbeard> so assuming that the smaller portable chargers that use lithium ion technology can also be used in the same way[6:07]<RITRedbeard> like a laptop battery[6:07]<RITRedbeard> charging the battery and the battery trickle charging device[6:08]<RITRedbeard> so the portable Raspberry Pi battery thing sort of solves itself, no?[6:08]<tntexplosivesltd> well, this thing is 520g[6:08]<tntexplosivesltd> and is pretty large[6:08]<tntexplosivesltd> but in essence yes[6:09]* mojo-jojo (~mojo-jojo@c-93-184-21-102.customer.ggaweb.ch) has joined #raspberrypi[6:09]* PiBot sets mode +v mojo-jojo[6:10]<RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_ex_n_0?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aexternal+battery+usb&keywords=external+battery+usb&ie=UTF8&qid=1335845319#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=battery+USB+charger&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Abattery+USB+charger[6:10]<RITRedbeard> they make smaller ones[6:11]<RITRedbeard> heh[6:11]<RITRedbeard> they come in different shapes and such[6:12]<RITRedbeard> some you can put your own batteries in[6:12]<RITRedbeard> some have em built in along with trickle charging circuit[6:12]<RITRedbeard> some charge USB some charge barrel plug[6:12]<tntexplosivesltd> I don't think they'll be trickle charge[6:12]<tntexplosivesltd> li-pos hate that[6:13]<Crenn-NAS> I have 2 of those[6:13]<ag4ve> are there instructions for getting that qualcomm? chipset emulated under qemu?[6:13]<tntexplosivesltd> they like full whack up to 80% capacity, then trickle for the last 20%[6:13]<Crenn-NAS> I should give my father's one back...[6:13]<tntexplosivesltd> heh[6:13]* jprvita|afk (~jprvita@las-gw.ic.unicamp.br) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[6:13]<tntexplosivesltd> only if he needs it >.>[6:13]<Crenn-NAS> tntexplosivesltd: He's probably forgotten about it[6:14]<tntexplosivesltd> so hang on to it =)[6:14]<RITRedbeard> trickle charge? what the hell do lithium ions do in my laptop?[6:14]<Crenn-NAS> But those XP18000 aren't charged yet... I've been meaning to though[6:14]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[6:15]<tntexplosivesltd> RITRedbeard: they're probably knackered[6:15]<tntexplosivesltd> =P[6:15]<RITRedbeard> nah my battery is only 1.5 years old, discharging a little faster nowadays[6:15]<RITRedbeard> but still good[6:16]<tntexplosivesltd> mine;s toast[6:16]<tntexplosivesltd> I kept it charged up full all the time[6:16]<tntexplosivesltd> now it doesn't last too long =([6:19]<RITRedbeard> :([6:20]* jprvita|afk (~jprvita@las-gw.ic.unicamp.br) has joined #raspberrypi[6:20]* PiBot sets mode +v jprvita|afk[6:22]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:22]* PiBot sets mode +v Gallomimia[6:23]<tntexplosivesltd> damn it's cold[6:23]<tntexplosivesltd> !w[6:23]<PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui. Temp 12??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 43%, Later 13??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[6:24]<tntexplosivesltd> =([6:25]<Crenn-NAS> I wonder why that command doesn't work for me[6:30]<tntexplosivesltd> you need to set your location[6:30]<tntexplosivesltd> !weather_set loc Palmerston North[6:30]<PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: Your location has been set to Palmerston North.[6:30]<tntexplosivesltd> !w[6:30]<PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui. Temp 12??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 43%, Later 13??C - 2??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[6:32]* imnichol (~ian@8.24.96.9) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[6:32]* capiscuas (~capiscuas@ppp-58-8-134-252.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #raspberrypi[6:32]* PiBot sets mode +v capiscuas[6:32]<Crenn-NAS> Ah ok, that will need to wait until I get home[6:33]<dmsuse> !weather retford[6:33]<PiBot> dmsuse: in Retford, Nottinghamshire. Temp 50??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 87%, Later 54??F - 45??F. Condition: Rain.[6:35]* Etac_Sufbo (~aaa@n058153242100.netvigator.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[6:36]* capiscuas (~capiscuas@ppp-58-8-134-252.revip2.asianet.co.th) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[6:42]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[6:42]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[6:45]* prebz_ (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[6:48]* phantoxe (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit ()[6:54]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Gallomimia)[7:02]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) Quit ()[7:06]* phirsch_ (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-148-142.netcologne.de) has joined #raspberrypi[7:06]* PiBot sets mode +v phirsch_[7:06]* UnderSampled (~UnderSamp@cpe-174-097-224-178.nc.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[7:07]* phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-84-228.netcologne.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[7:14]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:14]* PiBot sets mode +v Gallomimia[7:15]* shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) has joined #raspberrypi[7:15]* PiBot sets mode +v shirro[7:15]* s[x] (~sx]@eth589.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:15]* PiBot sets mode +v s[x][7:16]<tntexplosivesltd> Crenn-NAS: why's that?[7:16]<tntexplosivesltd> it relates the nick to the location iirc[7:16]<tntexplosivesltd> hmm[7:17]<tntexplosivesltd> maybe it is host[7:24]<Crenn-NAS> tntexplosivesltd: Because my tablet can't do ![7:24]<Crenn-NAS> !weather_set loc Melbourne[7:24]<PiBot> Crenn-NAS: Your location has been set to Melbourne.[7:24]<Crenn-NAS> !w[7:24]<PiBot> Crenn-NAS: in Melbourne, VIC on Tue May 1 20:00:00 2012. Temp 72??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 43%, Later 75??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[7:25]<Crenn-NAS> Can I get that in metric?![7:26]* ngilles_ (~nicolas@31.36.76.237) has joined #raspberrypi[7:26]* PiBot sets mode +v ngilles_[7:29]* ngilles (~nicolas@31.36.76.237) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[7:29]* bugzy (~bugzy@adsl-99-68-228-255.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:29]* PiBot sets mode +v bugzy[7:29]<shirro> !w[7:29]<PiBot> shirro: in Adelaide, SA on Tue May 1 20:30:00 2012. Temp 16??C. Condition: Rain Showers, Humidity: 94%, Later 22??C - 12??C. Condition: Rain.[7:30]<Crenn-NAS> !w[7:30]<PiBot> Crenn-NAS: in Melbourne, VIC on Tue May 1 20:00:00 2012. Temp 72??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 43%, Later 75??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[7:30]<Crenn-NAS> How the hell does it figure I want it in Imperial xD[7:30]<shirro> it is the default. change it[7:31]<Crenn-NAS> !weather_set[7:31]<Crenn-NAS> !weather_set ?[7:31]<shirro> !weather_set c[7:31]<PiBot> shirro: You're now using celsius.[7:31]<Crenn-NAS> !weather_set c[7:31]<PiBot> Crenn-NAS: You're now using celsius.[7:32]<Crenn-NAS> shirro: Thanks[7:32]<shirro> !weather_set k[7:32]<PiBot> shirro: You're now using kelvin.[7:32]<Crenn-NAS> !w[7:32]<PiBot> Crenn-NAS: in Melbourne, VIC on Tue May 1 20:00:00 2012. Temp 22??C. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 43%, Later 23??C - 12??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[7:32]<shirro> Doesn't look so hot now[7:33]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[7:33]* PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook[7:33]<Crenn-NAS> I have a kitten on my desk, so typing is a bit harder now[7:33]<Crenn-NAS> shirro: Didn't look so hot before xD[7:33]<shirro> I have a sleeping 2yo. One arm asleep[7:39]<Crenn-NAS> Sounds like it's going to be a fun night[7:41]<RITRedbeard> hmmm[7:42]<RITRedbeard> I ordered one of those batteries[7:42]<RITRedbeard> duracell is phasing them out[7:46]<RITRedbeard> it's a 2000mAh model, it outputs around what they say the B with heavy USB devices under load[7:46]<RITRedbeard> about 700mAh @ like 0.6A[7:47]* jmontleon (~jmontleon@pool-108-7-230-209.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has left #raspberrypi[7:51]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.75) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[8:06]* koaschten (~koaschten@31-16-2-45-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[8:08]* mon0 (~nx@b0tnet.me) has joined #raspberrypi[8:08]* PiBot sets mode +v mon0[8:10]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.65) has joined #raspberrypi[8:10]* PiBot sets mode +v eebrah[8:10]* eebrah is now known as Guest16234[8:15]* Mavy-bnc is now known as Mavy[8:18]* wkl (~conan@123.125.1.145) has joined #raspberrypi[8:18]* PiBot sets mode +v wkl[8:18]<Crenn-NAS> RITRedbeard: Which batteries?[8:19]<RITRedbeard> lithium ion technology, it's all in its self contained unit[8:19]<RITRedbeard> so I'll probably do some testing[8:19]<RITRedbeard> be useful for the raspberry pi project[8:20]* mon0 (~nx@b0tnet.me) Quit (Quit: quit)[8:20]<Crenn-NAS> I meant which one[8:20]* mon0 (~nx@b0tnet.me) has joined #raspberrypi[8:20]* PiBot sets mode +v mon0[8:21]* farmboy (~quassel@cpc15-cmbg14-2-0-cust146.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[8:21]* PiBot sets mode +v farmboy[8:21]<RITRedbeard> Duracell Powerhouse USB Charger with Lithium ion battery / includes universal cable with USB and mini USB, Sold by T.R.G. and Fulfilled by Amazon.[8:21]<RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FU6KG6/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00[8:22]<RITRedbeard> it's a confusing mess because some of the listings of the duracell products are wrong[8:22]<RITRedbeard> or repeats[8:22]<RITRedbeard> but different[8:22]<RITRedbeard> my guess is they're going to release new product line or something[8:23]<RITRedbeard> curious to see power efficiency[8:24]<Crenn-NAS> Ah ok[8:24]<Crenn-NAS> I'm charging up those Energiser batteries now, thanks for reminding me :D[8:25]<RITRedbeard> thru wall-wart charger and dock or that bigass one?[8:26]<RITRedbeard> yeah they have those, too[8:26]* prebz_ (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[8:26]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz_[8:26]<Crenn-NAS> That bigass one with a power pack charger[8:26]<RITRedbeard> on the market, 5 USB ports, weights about a pound[8:26]<Crenn-NAS> 5 USB ports?[8:27]<Crenn-NAS> I mean the XP18000[8:27]<RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/i-Sound-Portable-Power-iPhone-BlackBerry/dp/B00439G3WS/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1335853548&sr=1-1-catcorr[8:27]<RITRedbeard> ya[8:27]<RITRedbeard> Product Dimensions: 5.8 x 3.2 x 1 inches ; 1.4 pounds[8:27]<RITRedbeard> that's not so bad[8:28]<RITRedbeard> wonder how they get so much mAh though[8:29]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[8:29]<RITRedbeard> and at the price, kinda skeptical of safety issues[8:29]* wkl (~conan@123.125.1.145) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[8:30]* Simooon (~simon@h196.natout.aau.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[8:30]* PiBot sets mode +v Simooon[8:30]<RITRedbeard> the energizer ones being phased out are no frills[8:30]<RITRedbeard> no damn LED flash light[8:30]<RITRedbeard> no stupid crap[8:34]<hotwings> what do you have against led flashlights?[8:34]* Syliss (~Syliss@108.210.165.132) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[8:35]<RITRedbeard> nothing[8:35]<RITRedbeard> just kinda useless to have in a battery meant for mobile device[8:35]* RITRedbeard shrugs[8:38]<RITRedbeard> I think for portable system[8:38]<RITRedbeard> the problem isn't going to be raspberry pi at load[8:38]<RITRedbeard> but for mobile, ay, there's the rub, the display[8:41]* Guest16234 (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.65) Quit (Quit: baadaye! people)[8:44]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[8:48]* [deXter] (dexter@79.133.200.37) has joined #raspberrypi[8:48]* PiBot sets mode +v [deXter][8:50]* the_real_crimper (~the_real_@cpe-98-154-91-166.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[8:51]* Linkas (~lukas@77.95.52.222) has joined #raspberrypi[8:51]* PiBot sets mode +v Linkas[8:51]<RITRedbeard> http://www.amazon.com/0-5-Fail-Safe-Long-Range-Transmitter/dp/B003FO4UHW/ref=sr_1_88?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335855016&sr=1-88[8:52]<RITRedbeard> random find[8:53]* Syliss (~Syliss@108.210.165.132) has joined #raspberrypi[8:53]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[8:59]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[8:59]* PiBot sets mode +v nils_2[8:59]<Hydrazine> 'morning[9:00]* t-bon3 (~chatzilla@b019ad27.bb.sky.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[9:04]* ShiftPlusOne (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[9:04]* PiBot sets mode +v ShiftPlusOne[9:04]<RITRedbeard> :( http://store.earthlcd.com/Open-Frame-LCD-Kits-Displays[9:06]* unknownbliss is now known as UKB|Away[9:09]<ecto2> http://www.amazon.com/Fleshlight-Pink-Stamina-Training-Quantity/dp/B00757EEC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335856061&sr=8-1[9:14]<ShiftPlusOne> ecto2, keep it pg13 and SFW[9:17]* BenO (~BenO@84.51.186.218) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[9:17]<ShiftPlusOne> Jesus.... it costs $1000 to see Woz speak for a bit. No wonder these guys can make a decent living without having proper jobs.[9:17]<dmsuse> woz?[9:18]* diplo (~diplo@cpc2-trow1-0-0-cust1447.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[9:18]* PiBot sets mode +v diplo[9:19]<ShiftPlusOne> Steve Wozniak, Apple co-founder, practically invented the computer as we know it today.[9:23]<dmsuse> oh, yeah i wouldn't want to listen to him speak[9:23]<ecto2> stallman>wozniak[9:26]<ShiftPlusOne> stallman is in a bit of a different realm, isn't he? I mean that he's important from the point of view of software, while Woz is more important for engineers and such.[9:27]<ecto2> i'd like to see a marriage of the two[9:28]<ShiftPlusOne> ew, imagine what their kids would look like[9:28]<ShiftPlusOne> (but yes, I know what you meant)[9:29]* Knack (~WWW@b0fd06fb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[9:30]* Knack (~WWW@95.211.149.153) has joined #raspberrypi[9:30]* PiBot sets mode +v Knack[9:36]* s[x] (~sx]@eth589.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[9:39]* shirro (~shirro@pdpc/supporter/active/shirro) Quit (Quit: shirro)[9:39]* FZombie (~STN@pdpc/supporter/student/GPLGeek) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[9:39]* wkl (~conan@123.125.1.145) has joined #raspberrypi[9:39]* PiBot sets mode +v wkl[9:44]<ShiftPlusOne> along that line of thinking, I actually reckon that the software and hardware mindsets are incompatible. I know people who are brilliant in either field, but never both. Engineers think in terms of equations, models, commons sense, a bit of guessing and simulation, while programming is pure logic. 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I have recorded a video... but the video has come out inverted, bloody iPhone, whats a quick piece of software I can use to fix it?[11:31]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189-83-174-222.user.veloxzone.com.br) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[11:31]* P4R4N01D (~johndoe@189-83-174-222.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #raspberrypi[11:31]* PiBot sets mode +v P4R4N01D[11:31]<Davespice> and don't say final cut express :)[11:32]<RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-Video-Flip-and-Rotate.htm ? dunno never tried it[11:32]* cosh (~cosh@gateway/tor-sasl/ryld) has joined #raspberrypi[11:32]* PiBot sets mode +v cosh[11:37]* Knack is now known as knack[11:37]<Davespice> RaTTuS|BIG: thanks man, that seems to do it perfectly :)[11:38]<RaTTuS|BIG> np[11:41]<Gadget-Work> Hydrazine, well done on the SPI stuff :)[11:44]* s[x] (~sx]@ppp59-167-157-96.static.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:44]* PiBot sets mode +v s[x][11:45]* uen| is now known as uen[11:45]* prebz 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now[13:41]* acperkins (~acperkins@pdpc/supporter/student/acperkins) has joined #raspberrypi[13:41]* PiBot sets mode +v acperkins[13:42]<Crenn-NAS> Hydrazine: What about it is wrong?[13:42]* CrustyLobster (52032cfc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.3.44.252) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[13:45]* Lord_DM-eating is now known as Lord_DeathMatch[13:46]* Linkas (~lukas@77.95.52.222) has joined #raspberrypi[13:46]* PiBot sets mode +v Linkas[13:49]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[13:49]* Compy (~Compy@128.192.112.158) has joined #raspberrypi[13:49]* PiBot sets mode +v Compy[13:53]* JonSeals (~Jon@99-158-225-217.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:53]* PiBot sets mode +v JonSeals[13:55]* s[x] (~sx]@60-241-151-10.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[13:56]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[13:56]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[13:57]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@i-195-137-107-162.freedom2surf.net) Quit (Quit: Wedgybo)[13:58]* katnegermis (~katnegerm@ip2.c648.frb194.cust.comxnet.dk) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[13:59]<IT_Sean> morn[13:59]<drazyl> morning[13:59]<IT_Sean> its a miserable day in the northeast[14:02]<tntexplosivesltd> !w[14:02]<PiBot> tntexplosivesltd: in Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui. Temp 4??C. Condition: Rain, Humidity: 79%, Later 15??C - 1??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[14:02]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56d9.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[14:02]* PiBot sets mode +v ReggieUK[14:02]* smw_ is now known as smw[14:03]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[14:03]* PiBot sets mode +v chris_99[14:04]<Matt> moning sean[14:04]<Matt> !w[14:04]<PiBot> Matt: in Burlington, ON on Tue May 1 11:42:00 2012. Temp 7??C. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 100%, Later 17??C - 7??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.[14:04]<Elfish> !w[14:04]<PiBot> Elfish: in Melbourne, VIC on Wed May 2 02:30:00 2012. Temp 63??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 63%, Later 78??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[14:05]<Linkas> ~!w[14:05]<Elfish> !w berlin[14:05]<PiBot> Elfish: in Berlin, Berlin. Temp 77??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 50%, Later 82??F - 63??F. Condition: Chance of Rain.[14:05]<Linkas> !w[14:05]<PiBot> Linkas: in Melbourne, VIC on Wed May 2 02:30:00 2012. Temp 63??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 63%, Later 78??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[14:05]<Linkas> nice bot[14:05]<ReggieUK> !w hell[14:05]<PiBot> Not found.[14:05]<ReggieUK> it hasn't frozen over yet then?[14:06]<IT_Sean> nope. not yet.[14:07]<techman2> !w[14:07]<PiBot> techman2: in Melbourne, VIC on Wed May 2 02:30:00 2012. Temp 63??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 63%, Later 78??F - 54??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.[14:07]<techman2> heh[14:07]* emulatrix (~grant.ben@194.205.46.62) has joined #raspberrypi[14:07]* PiBot sets mode +v emulatrix[14:07]<techman2> that never works properly.[14:10]* jamesglanville1 (~james@global-2-74.nat.csx.cam.ac.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:11]<Hexxeh> Anyone happen to know if bcm_host_init() will still be required once we get Xorg drivers?[14:12]<ShiftPlusOne> Does anyone know of anyone actually working on the Xorg drivers? O_o[14:15]<vgrade> http://www.indiegogo.com/raspberryPi?a=569779[14:17]<ShiftPlusOne> The page you are looking for is currently in "DRAFT" mode and hidden from the public. Please contact the campaign owner if you feel this is in error![14:21]<Hexxeh> vgrade: What's that?[14:22]* Simooon (~simon@h196.natout.aau.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[14:23]<Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: do you mean accelerated X drivers?[14:24]<ShiftPlusOne> yup[14:24]<Davespice> I have heard rumours that both Debian and Fedora people are[14:24]<ShiftPlusOne> ah, so proper devs then?[14:24]<vgrade> Campaign to raise funds for someone to do the work[14:24]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@host-92-27-38-4.static.as13285.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:24]* PiBot sets mode +v Wedgybo[14:24]<Davespice> yes[14:24]<Davespice> oh really?[14:24]<Hexxeh> Ah, nice[14:24]* passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:24]* PiBot sets mode +v passstab[14:24]<Hexxeh> Tweet it to @raspberrypi, I'm sure they'll retweet it and get some interest[14:25]<Hexxeh> I'm writing up something for EuroGamer, would you like me to include it?[14:25]<vgrade> I've not jumped through all the hoops yet, you need to have certain type of paypal[14:26]<Hexxeh> I've got a Premier account if that's any use?[14:26]<Davespice> vgrade: we could do the something with Kickstarter??[14:26]<vgrade> Kickstarter is US only I think[14:27]<Davespice> oh right, well something like that could work?[14:27]<ShiftPlusOne> so... since more knowledgable people are around... what's up with SDL not working without X?[14:27]<ReggieUK> indeeed[14:27]<Davespice> ShiftPlusOne: I have seen it being used in Quake3...[14:27]<ReggieUK> it should work despite X :D[14:27]<Davespice> and that runs without X[14:27]<ReggieUK> have you setup any environment variables?[14:27]<ShiftPlusOne> Davespice, quake isn't using SDL for drawing[14:27]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.75) has joined #raspberrypi[14:27]* PiBot sets mode +v eebrah[14:27]<ShiftPlusOne> nope[14:27]<Davespice> oh isn't it, sorry then[14:28]<ReggieUK> ShiftPlusOne, not sure if it's part of your issue[14:28]<ReggieUK> but it will no doubt be part of an issue somewhere to do with SDL in the future[14:28]<ReggieUK> http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_envvars[14:29]<Davespice> vgrade: http://www.peoplefund.it/[14:29]<ShiftPlusOne> ReggieUK, ah, thanks, I'll give it a go later[14:29]<ReggieUK> SDL_VIDEODRIVER=dummy might be the droid you're looking for[14:30]<ShiftPlusOne> heh[14:30]* ReggieUK waves fingers like obi wan kenwhatever[14:30]* acperkins (~acperkins@pdpc/supporter/student/acperkins) Quit (Quit: leaving)[14:30]<Hexxeh> Davespice: where'd you hear that Debian/Fedora devs were working on a driver?[14:31]<Davespice> I don't remember actually, I'll have to search my logs[14:31]<vgrade> Hexxeh, yea it needs a business or premium account[14:32]<Davespice> it might have been on the forums actually...[14:34]<vgrade> Premier sorry[14:34]<vgrade> Davespice there is a 'whos working on Xorg drivers thread' but its not current[14:36]<techman2> so there is one in the works atm?[14:36]<vgrade> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/so-whos-workingworked-on-an-xorg-server/page-3[14:36]<Hexxeh> teh_orph was working on one apparently[14:36]<vgrade> No I don't think that thread is active[14:38]* Jak_o_Shadows (~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[14:39]<flaushy> hmm crap[14:39]* flaushy crosses fingers that the pi did not die[14:39]<techman2> that doesn't sound good.[14:40]<IT_Sean> ooooh... did you kill it?[14:40]<IT_Sean> Might we have out first casualty?[14:41]<techman2> what were you doing with it flaushy?[14:41]<techman2> you know it doesn't need to be washed, right?[14:41]<IT_Sean> i don't think he is THAT stupid, techman2.[14:42]<techman2> I know, I was being sarcastic.[14:42]* aergus (~aergus@78.178.60.1) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:43]<flaushy> LOOKS FRIED[14:43]<flaushy> - caps[14:43]<IT_Sean> what did you do?[14:43]<flaushy> i ll need to check with some decent stuff later[14:43]<flaushy> run tor on it[14:43]* jamesglanville (~james@92.40.253.174.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[14:43]* PiBot sets mode +v jamesglanville[14:43]<flaushy> university line[14:44]<flaushy> no hdmi, just heavy networking + cpu[14:44]<jeroenh> kernel panic?[14:44]<flaushy> no screen attached when it died[14:44]<flaushy> i unpowered it, powered it on again with screen + usb[14:45]<jeroenh> and?[14:45]<flaushy> no signals[14:45]<flaushy> leds blinking if ethernet plugged[14:46]<IT_Sean> that's not good.[14:46]<techman2> so it was just heavy load?[14:46]<flaushy> so... don't do this at home and sorry to waste one of the first batch :/[14:46]<flaushy> techman2: i did a ruby compile on it yesterday, 4 hours 100% cpu, no problem[14:46]<flaushy> today was crypto + networking[14:47]* jgarrett (~jgarrett@216.30.179.54) has joined #raspberrypi[14:47]* PiBot sets mode +v jgarrett[14:47]* IT_Sean gives flaushy the Special Hat[14:47]<techman2> could it be that you need to wait for a bit for fuse to reset?[14:47]<IT_Sean> if it was the fuse, there would be no NIC LEDs[14:48]<flaushy> techman2: might be :)[14:48]<flaushy> we ll see[14:48]<flaushy> i ll attack it with jtag + serials when i got time[14:48]<flaushy> but kinda scares me[14:48]<IT_Sean> leave it unplugged for a few hours, but, it sounds dead.[14:49]<flaushy> i keep you posted[14:49]<techman2> hopefully not[14:49]<flaushy> if it is dead, i hope we find the cause[14:49]<flaushy> so the design can improve as early as possible[14:49]<techman2> I wonder what sort of testing it went through internally...[14:50]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-166-177.client.wireless.msu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[14:50]* PiBot sets mode +v johnthebear[14:50]<flaushy> i figure heat will become a bigger issue as soon as gpu is used alot[14:50]<flaushy> techman2: well, if it compiled fine for 4 hours, i would not have guessed that about 2 hours tor would kill it[14:50]* ReggieUK looks at a pile of cpu heatsinks, for a suitable doner[14:50]<techman2> yes well gpu is most of the SoC silicon[14:51]<flaushy> especially since tor catches up on traffic, so it will have idled for most part[14:51]<IT_Sean> Let it be known by all who enter #raspberrypi that flaushy was the first to report the death of a Batch 1 raspi[14:51]* phantoxeD (~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[14:51]* PiBot sets mode +v phantoxeD[14:51]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) Quit (Quit: kcj)[14:51]* techman2 bows head in silence[14:51]<ReggieUK> I take it there's nothing noticable on the board that looks singed?[14:52]<IT_Sean> DO any of it's bits smell of burnt electrons ?[14:53]<ReggieUK> are there any pads that look like there used to be a component stretched between them?[14:53]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: MEETING! Bugger.)[14:53]<techman2> is it on fire?[14:54]<ReggieUK> we've done that one already, fire would suggest the smell of smoke[14:54]<techman2> flames would also suggest fire :)[14:55]<NucWin> my pi doesnt work either but thats because its a cutout cardboard template with chips drawn on[14:55]<techman2> hopefully RPi's aren't like those british fire extingiushers in the IT crowd.[14:55]<NucWin> rofl[14:55]<techman2> extinguishers even[14:55]* plantain (~plantain@compsci.adl/officialtroll/plantain) has joined #raspberrypi[14:55]* PiBot sets mode +v plantain[14:55]<NucWin> fire fire fire![14:55]<techman2> Dear Sir/Madam....[14:56]<techman2> lol[14:56]<plantain> what's the most functionally complete xbmc distro out so far?[14:56]* Turingi (~devon@79.112.58.211) has joined #raspberrypi[14:56]* Turingi (~devon@79.112.58.211) Quit (Changing host)[14:56]* Turingi (~devon@unaffiliated/devon-hillard/x-7250961) has joined #raspberrypi[14:56]* PiBot sets mode +v Turingi[14:56]* PiBot sets mode +v Turingi[14:56]* Guest71930 (5ec56315@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.99.21) has joined #raspberrypi[14:56]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest71930[14:56]<NucWin> 0118999776542 3 or something[14:56]* aergus (~aergus@78.178.60.1) has joined #raspberrypi[14:56]* PiBot sets mode +v aergus[14:57]<Guest71930> hi[14:58]<Guest71930> Did danieldaniel ever come back and offer a reason for why he was randomly soldering his pi?[14:58]<NucWin> plantain: google is ye friend[14:58]<NucWin> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Raspberry_Pi[14:58]* Matt wonders why Guest71930 has a nickserv generated nick[14:58]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.75) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:58]<Guest71930> Matt: But it's not.[14:59]* Moonlit (~moonlit@unaffiliated/moonlit) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:59]<NucWin> arch only has xbmc for armv7[14:59]<Guest71930> plantain: openelec is what you're after[14:59]<flaushy> does anyone have a pi here?[14:59]<ashH> yes[14:59]* Moonlit 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i probably send the pi to them so they can debug if they want[15:03]<Guest71930> liz isn't here at the moment[15:03]<flaushy> right[15:03]<flaushy> so email does not really care ;)[15:04]<Guest71930> they are in california[15:04]<flaushy> yepe[15:04]<ashH> on mine, there is nothing abnormal on the pcb on the other side of the broadcom[15:04]<flaushy> ashH: thx[15:04]* shirkey (~shirkey@39.212.11.131) has joined #raspberrypi[15:04]* PiBot sets mode +v shirkey[15:04]<Guest71930> sand it down[15:04]<ReggieUK> flaushy, where abouts is this melted bit?[15:04]<flaushy> c43[15:05]<flaushy> the writing is not readable, c4 nearly all gone, a lil bit over c4[15:05]<Guest71930> what are you using to power your pi?[15:05]<flaushy> a cell phone charger[15:05]<Guest71930> a 1000mA charger?[15:06]<flaushy> Guest71930: dont know, it ran fine on it with 100 % load and was running on it for a couple of days[15:06]<Guest71930> perhaps a relative spilt coffee on it and neglected to tell you[15:06]<flaushy> Guest71930: maybe jesus touched it and took it to him?[15:07]<ReggieUK> if it's c43 then it's a cap connected to the 1.8v core[15:07]<Guest71930> flaushy: Don't be idiotic, jesus doesn't exist[15:07]<flaushy> well controlled environment, packed it in (running) at home, powered it up at university no other persons in both rooms[15:07]<ReggieUK> and it's an unpolarised 100nanofarad cap[15:08]<flaushy> ReggieUK: it is where the writing is[15:08]* warren_ (~warren@host86-144-169-200.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:08]* PiBot sets mode +v warren_[15:08]<flaushy> not really the element[15:08]<flaushy> i ll need to take pictures as soon as i am home[15:08]* warren_ is now known as Guest94785[15:08]<flaushy> question is: why does OK LED light up after a couple of seconds?[15:09]<Hexxeh> i think the OK led comes on when the kernel loads?[15:09]<Guest71930> because that's it's job[15:09]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.73) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:09]* Guest94785 (~warren@host86-144-169-200.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Client Quit)[15:09]<flaushy> Hexxeh: yeah, but why not more?[15:09]<flaushy> when does usb keyboard react on your pis?[15:09]<flaushy> immediately after power on?[15:10]<ReggieUK> loooks like that cap is on the back of the board?[15:10]<flaushy> but it is not the cap[15:10]* warren__ (~warren@host86-144-169-200.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:10]* PiBot sets mode +v warren__[15:10]* KrisW (~kris@cpc7-swin14-2-0-cust99.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:10]<ReggieUK> oh just the melted bit?[15:10]<flaushy> the strange deformation happened at no element[15:10]<flaushy> just where the writing is[15:11]<flaushy> c49 is connected to what?[15:11]<ReggieUK> that area looks like it's the back side of the ethernet chip?[15:11]<flaushy> uh yeah you are right[15:11]* KrisW (~kris@cpc7-swin14-2-0-cust99.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined 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could've missed it[15:16]<NucWin> country[15:16]<ReggieUK> flaushy, no one with a mobile phone?[15:16]<Guest71930> flaushy: No smart phone?[15:16]<flaushy> it ll look like crap ;)[15:16]<Guest71930> so?[15:16]<NucWin> sorry stop with the one word question/answers[15:16]<NucWin> tonight but in what timezone?[15:16]<Veryevil> no laptop webcam?[15:16]* warren__ (~warren@host86-144-169-200.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[15:16]<NucWin> no camera on microscopes[15:17]<Guest71930> NucWin: hypocrite.[15:17]<Veryevil> C49 is in A1 on page 3[15:17]<Veryevil> of the schematic[15:17]<ReggieUK> derp, thanks Veryevil :)[15:17]<Veryevil> is in line with C42 C35 C37 and C44[15:17]<ReggieUK> oh good grief, 2 away from c43 :D[15:17]<NucWin> lol i was saying i will stop with the one word question/answers just got destracted mid typing and missed some intended words lol[15:17]<Guest71930> Just shout down the halls that you need to borrow a camera[15:18]<ReggieUK> erm, just above it even[15:19]<flaushy> Guest71930: it is a free day, i am the only one on the floor :P[15:19]* Linkas (~lukas@77.95.52.222) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[15:19]<Guest71930> any scanners?[15:19]* n17ikh (~peter@c-174-56-150-44.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:19]* PiBot sets mode +v n17ikh[15:19]<ReggieUK> camera shop in town?[15:19]<ReggieUK> tell them you're interested in a 60d or something :D[15:19]<flaushy> holiday ^^[15:20]<flaushy> no shops open[15:20]<Guest71930> And just slip in your own sd card[15:20]<flaushy> i did some with the smartphone hang on[15:20]<Guest71930> what the hell? what kind of country shuts everything before 4?[15:21]<NucWin> flaushy sick it through the fax machine[15:21]<Guest71930> flaushy: Stick it on the window sill when you take the photo so you get enough light[15:21]<ReggieUK> flaushy, the area of the board you mentioned appears to be beneath the network chip[15:22]* techman2 (~Glen@121.209.128.126) Quit (Quit: leaving)[15:22]<Guest71930> Have you tried attacking it with a large spoon?[15:22]<NucWin> bake it[15:23]<Guest71930> No no microwave it[15:23]<flaushy> * get me a window in this room :P[15:23]<flaushy> https://imgur.com/FyX6f,lTWpg,QQYMA#0[15:23]<Guest71930> if you're going to bake it make sure to spritz the top with some water first so it doesn't dry out[15:24]<flaushy> ReggieUK: ack[15:24]<flaushy> it is no great picture, but you will see the blob[15:24]<NucWin> ffs my sister is such a tech dumbass[15:24]<Guest71930> that pcb looks mighty greasy[15:24]<Guest71930> NucWin: slap her[15:25]<flaushy> anyhow, back to writing homework[15:25]<NucWin> "last time you had my laptop you said you did a backup of my photos but you never gave me the cd"[15:25]<Guest71930> what's the issue with that statement?[15:25]<NucWin> she has since killed the os so goes to put a windows cd and what is in the cd drive..... the backup[15:26]<Guest71930> killed the os?[15:26]<NucWin> yups dunno how[15:26]<NucWin> its vista anyway needed ridding of[15:26]<flaushy> ReggieUK: any use? other than that i do not find any strange stuff on the pcb[15:26]<Guest71930> flaushy: SEND IT BACK TO FARNELL[15:27]<ReggieUK> it suggests that that bit of the board got very hot, possibly[15:27]<ReggieUK> probably[15:27]* katnegermis (~katnegerm@ip2.c648.frb194.cust.comxnet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[15:27]* PiBot sets mode +v katnegermis[15:27]<ukscone> anyone in here familar with gateway desktops?[15:27]<Veryevil> when you power it up does any bit get massivly hot?[15:27]<NucWin> all i need to do now is remember where in my piles of chaos i left my case of cd's[15:27]<ukscone> something on this one is driving me potty[15:27]<ReggieUK> the silkscreen usually takes quite a bit of heat to make it go like that[15:27]<NucWin> ukscone yes put them in the bin or buy a gun[15:28]<ukscone> NucWin: :) well can't do that as i just got it as it was all i could afford at the time and the hp was 100 times worse, buggy bios for a start[15:29]<NucWin> :([15:29]<Guest71930> what's the problem with it?[15:29]<flaushy> oh well, so i need to give the pi back to the mate who gave it to me :/[15:29]<Guest71930> flaushy: ahaha so it's not even your pi??? You broke someone elses treasured pi??[15:29]<Davespice> sorry, I'm being a bit unobservant here - what should I look for in that photo flaushy, is it the discolouration on the left?[15:29]<flaushy> Guest71930: he swapped it for mi soon arriving pi[15:30]<flaushy> Davespice: the blob in the middle[15:30]<Guest71930> flaushy: Is he a good friend? perhaps he knew it was broken[15:30]<Davespice> between c35 and c42?[15:30]<Guest71930> flaushy: Dude, a trade is a trade, you can't just trade back.[15:30]<ukscone> the hdd led is continiously blinking still after 5 days -- indexing which i turned off anyway should have finished by now, superfetch shoudl have settled down and all updaters are turned off so is this something that'll stop or is it a gateway idiocincracy?[15:31]<flaushy> Davespice: ack[15:31]<flaushy> Guest71930: i wont trade it back[15:31]<flaushy> i need the papers to send it back[15:31]<Guest71930> ukscone: Stick your hand on the harddrive, is it vibrating?[15:32]<Matt> ukscone: windows box?[15:33]<ReggieUK> Davespice, between the usb socket and the headers, look for C39,C46,c43 just above the C in C43 you will see a round mark[15:33]<ukscone> can't get to the hd atm but looking in the resource monitor there is some stuff that is being read/written but never had that before[15:33]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.70) has joined #raspberrypi[15:33]* PiBot sets mode +v eebrah[15:33]<ukscone> Matt: year win7 sp1 unfortunatly[15:33]<ukscone> yeah even :)[15:34]<Guest71930> unfortunately??? win7 is an excellent os[15:34]<ukscone> did the normal stuff of turning off indexing and autoupdaters, thought it might be the AV s/w but nope removed it and still hdd led blinking continiously[15:34]<ukscone> Guest71930: win7 is an ugly POS i'd rather use WinME (almost)[15:35]<Guest71930> ukscone: Well take out the harddrive from it's mounting, and reconnect it, if it's completely powered down while the lights flashing then just disconnect the light, they're more or less useless nowadays, laptop manufacturers aren't even bothering to include them[15:35]<NucWin> WinME is worse os EVER[15:35]<ukscone> wish i could be using linux but can't until i finish with the kinect4windows stuff[15:35]<ReggieUK> does it have an optical drive?[15:35]<Guest71930> hahaha.. I can't believe you just called linux prettier than win7[15:35]<ReggieUK> try ejecting it and see if that stops the blinking led[15:36]<drazyl> adjust it with a hammer[15:36]<Guest71930> ReggieUK: The led would be a hdd indicator not a cd indicator[15:36]<ReggieUK> you mean like the hdd indicator on my PC that seems to flash once a second, that immediately stops as soon as I eject a cd Guest71930?[15:36]<Guest71930> yes[15:37]<ukscone> ReggieUK: yes it does have a dvd burner and i have read a few posts saying that a sata hd and optical drive will cause flashing led but can't see why especially after turning off the autoplay/run stuff which was one of the solutions[15:37]<Guest71930> coincidence[15:37]<ReggieUK> of course it is[15:37]<ReggieUK> how silly of me to think that there could ever be a link between the 2[15:37]<ukscone> ReggieUK: actually that's not a bad idea let me cross the room and see what happens[15:37]<Guest71930> indeed[15:38]<Guest71930> crossing the room won't help[15:38]<ReggieUK> I concur, there is no god[15:38]<Guest71930> it's a hdd indicator, not a people detector[15:39]<ukscone> ReggieUK: the gateway is on the other side of the room on my desk i am in bed on the laptop[15:39]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:39]* PiBot sets mode +v chandoo[15:39]<ukscone> and nope ejecting didn't do squat and yes the hd does sound like it's spinning[15:39]<ReggieUK> ahh, a lazy day or just woke up[15:39]<ukscone> ReggieUK: my normal location for the day[15:39]<Guest71930> well then it's not a fault with the indicator[15:39]<ukscone> the desk is to force me to get out of bed occasionally[15:40]<ukscone> yup the indictator seems to be truthful but what is causing the hd to be continiously in use, never seen it before[15:40]<NucWin> virus?[15:40]<ukscone> and surely if it happened on all systems people would have gone crazy by now and google would have some idea of what's up[15:41]<Guest71930> try sticking in a linux live cd and see if it still happens[15:41]<ukscone> NucWin: nope it was a fresh install and it was happening before i even conected the interwebs[15:41]<NucWin> lol google auto updating in the background??[15:42]<ukscone> turned off and removed all updaters[15:42]* emulatrix (~grant.ben@194.205.46.62) Quit ()[15:42]<NucWin> google one is quite persistant[15:42]<Guest71930> disabled the hidden services?[15:42]<ReggieUK> the linux live CD is a good idea[15:42]<ukscone> looking in resource monitor there seem to be a lot of r/w's to various things called $something[15:42]<Guest71930> ReggieUK: I do have good ideas[15:42]<drazyl> boot into the bios and leave it there, see if it still does it[15:42]<ReggieUK> although it's going to prove that it's a windows thing and not really get you much closer[15:43]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[15:43]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[15:43]<Guest71930> ReggieUK: It would rule out a hardware problem though[15:43]<ReggieUK> is it a legit install disc?[15:43]<ukscone> i am 99% positive it's something to do with windows but it's annoying and wearing out the disk eventually[15:43]<IT_Sean> whelp... that sucked[15:43]<Guest71930> trust me it won't wear out the disk[15:43]<NucWin> all drivers up to date?[15:43]<ukscone> ReggieUK: all legit s/w -- came with thee gateway[15:43]<ReggieUK> oh gateway[15:43]<NucWin> what windows how much ram?[15:43]<ukscone> everything is up to date[15:44]<ukscone> 8gig ram[15:44]<Guest71930> harddrives are designed to run continiously for many many years[15:44]<ReggieUK> maybe they've got some of their own cruddy software on there?[15:44]<drazyl> and then explode randomly killing everyone[15:44]<Guest71930> infact they will do better long term running than turned off[15:44]<ukscone> Guest71930: try telling that to the 4 external hd's that died within 18 months[15:44]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left 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the external bit[15:47]<ukscone> Guest71930: this was the hd that failed the pcb's were great in fact they go swapped to new cases/hd's[15:48]<drazyl> same make of disks or different?[15:48]<ukscone> they would overheat due to not spinning down like they should[15:48]<ukscone> different makes, different batches[15:48]<Guest71930> ukscone: If you went further you can often fix a broken harddrive by replacing the controller bit on the harddrive with one from an identical model[15:48]<ukscone> 24/7/365 is often very close to mtbf after 12 to 24 months[15:49]<Guest71930> you leave external hdds connected 24/7?[15:49]<drazyl> I'm guessing they were consumer not server disks[15:49]<drazyl> most "desktop" drives are not designed to survive heavy usage these days[15:50]<drazyl> or at least the warranty doesn't cover it :)[15:50]<Guest71930> I have one of these green WDs that power themselves down after a certain amount of inactivity[15:51]<NucWin> wish hdd's would come back down in price[15:51]<NucWin> still dam expenive and i could do with another[15:51]<drazyl> nah disks are cheap[15:52]<NucWin> not compared to 6 months ago[15:52]* unsignedbool (~unsignedb@f050070039.adsl.alicedsl.de) Quit ()[15:52]<Guest71930> The prices should have gone back down a bit after the thailand flooding[15:52]<ukscone> drazyl: yup consumer stuff, but they didn't "honour" requests to spindown on idle commands which they should, noticed that several makes are like that, had 3 that do and they are now 6 years old and healthy[15:52]* drazyl remembers when ??1/ M was considered outrageously cheap[15:52]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:53]<Guest71930> ukscone: you're in america now you should be spelling honour without the u[15:54]<drazyl> "there is no u in honor" ?[15:54]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[15:54]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[15:54]<ukscone> Guest71930: sod that. my apartment is called Little Britain, we don't allow americanisms to cross the treshold[15:54]<tntexplosivesltd> lol[15:54]<ukscone> i don't watch american tv either apart form the news[15:55]<Guest71930> I find these american "british pub"s repulsive[15:55]<ukscone> why do you think i need 4 external hd's :)[15:55]<drazyl> porn[15:55]<Guest71930> definitely scat porn[15:55]<drazyl> sorry, gentlemens entertainment[15:56]<Guest71930> females like a bit of hardcore porn too you know[15:56]<drazyl> only before they're married[15:57]<Guest71930> and after[15:57]<NucWin> time to go shoot some cod5 campers till windows has finished installing[15:58]<drazyl> doesn't that mean you're camping the campers?[15:58]<Guest71930> drazyl: no you just run up behind them[15:58]<NucWin> just run around like a nutter then knife them[15:59]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-124-183-127-239.lns15.ken.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:01]<tntexplosivesltd> guys, tone it down[16:01]<tntexplosivesltd> come on, kids can come in here[16:02]<tntexplosivesltd> cod5? People still play that?[16:02]<tntexplosivesltd> 0_0[16:03]<drazyl> yeah, all the cool kids have move to RTCW:ET[16:03]<ukscone> tntexplosivesltd: +1 on the kids thing, we have been lax again about kicking as i have bene busy but can start again if ppl don't behave[16:03]<tntexplosivesltd> or make more mods ;-)[16:04]<tntexplosivesltd> yeah, even I have slipped up over the past few days[16:04]<tntexplosivesltd> now that the pi is out we do need to start thinking about who's on here[16:04]<drazyl> fair enough[16:05]* katnegermis (~katnegerm@ip2.c648.frb194.cust.comxnet.dk) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:05]<Guest71930> I will be a mod[16:05]<tzarc> so, weather's good[16:06]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:06]<Guest71930> tzarc: It's been raining non-stop for the past week here. river flooded and everything[16:06]<tzarc> nice[16:06]<tntexplosivesltd> =([16:06]<tntexplosivesltd> it's just getting cold here[16:06]<tntexplosivesltd> going into autumn[16:07]<tzarc> yeah we've got the antarctic winds going at the moment[16:07]<tzarc> freezing[16:07]<Guest71930> thats cause new zealand sucks[16:07]<tntexplosivesltd> heh whatever[16:07]<tntexplosivesltd> I like it here =)[16:08]<flaushy> i need to go to nz some time[16:08]<tzarc> alright, past midniught and work tomorrow, I'm out[16:08]<tzarc> didn't get to play with my pi today :([16:08]<drazyl> seeyas#[16:08]<Hexxeh> hmm, where am i best stashing the rpi firmware repo on the rootfs?[16:08]<tzarc> tomorrow it's kernel time![16:08]<Guest71930> flaushy: The kiwi women are more likely to have a one night stand but they have hairy feet[16:08]<Hexxeh> i need a path that'll always exist on any distro[16:08]<tntexplosivesltd> Hexxeh: /boot =P[16:09]<Hexxeh> tntexplosivesltd: too small[16:09]<drazyl> try /etc[16:09]<Hexxeh> it runs out of space[16:09]<tntexplosivesltd> or that[16:09]<Hexxeh> drazyl: /etc for firmware?[16:09]<tzarc> if /etc is on /, and / is small, it's no guarantee[16:09]<drazyl> it should always be mounted[16:09]<tntexplosivesltd> /bin ?[16:09]<Guest71930> /swap[16:09]<tzarc> /usr would probably be safer[16:09]<flaushy> shouldn't that be defined in lsb?[16:09]<drazyl> how about /var/something[16:10]<Hexxeh> yeah var seems like the best option, it's a case of what subfolder[16:10]<drazyl> maybe /var/lib[16:10]<Hexxeh> i'll go with /var/lib/rpi-firmware i think[16:10]* jamesglanville (~james@92.40.253.174.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:10]* eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.70) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:10]<flaushy> sounds fair[16:10]<drazyl> sounds a reasonable choice[16:10]<tzarc> look up the FHS to see what's available[16:10]* Miek_ (~mike@ozone.flomp.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:10]<flaushy> for debian there should be a "non-free" in it as well ^^[16:11]<tzarc> anyway, I'm really heading out now :P[16:11]<tzarc> night folks[16:11]<tntexplosivesltd> night tzarc[16:11]* nrltd (foobar@149.3.131.50) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:11]<tntexplosivesltd> Hexxeh: /var is more for files that are constantly changing =/[16:11]<Hexxeh> these will technically[16:12]<Hexxeh> it's only a temporary store[16:12]<tntexplosivesltd> ah cool[16:12]<tntexplosivesltd> /tmp XD[16:12]<Hexxeh> but some persistence would be nice[16:12]<tntexplosivesltd> don't need that[16:12]<tntexplosivesltd> do a live kernel build every time[16:12]<tntexplosivesltd> no persistnce whatsoever[16:13]* Matthew (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:13]* PiBot sets mode +v Matthew[16:13]* Matthew is now known as Guest22638[16:13]<tntexplosivesltd> yeah, it's 2am[16:13]<tntexplosivesltd> bed time[16:14]* jamesglanville (~james@92.40.253.174.threembb.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:14]* PiBot sets mode +v jamesglanville[16:14]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:14]* PiBot sets mode +v 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it?[16:30]<Hexxeh> cache for git repo of firmware[16:31]<nivi> why not just use ~/.<software title>/cache?[16:31]<nivi> that's the only way you can be guaranteed write access anyway[16:32]* ahven (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) Quit (Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.)[16:32]<nivi> and every user has to have a home dir[16:32]* ahven (~ahven@jutukas.saarlane.ee) has joined #raspberrypi[16:32]* PiBot sets mode +v ahven[16:33]* gregrob (~Greg@bas1-brampton13-1279590568.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[16:33]* PiBot sets mode +v gregrob[16:33]<Davespice> Hexxeh: have you had any joy with Quake 3 sound by the way/[16:33]<Hexxeh> not tried, been busy[16:33]<Hexxeh> nivi: tool needs to be run as root anyway[16:34]<Hexxeh> it's for this: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update[16:34]<nivi> root has a home dir[16:34]<nivi> although[16:34]<nivi> really you should build as a regular user[16:34]<nivi> only escelate to root for the stuff that needs to run as root[16:35]<nivi> so i stand by 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(~dnstbr@rrcs-97-77-70-128.sw.biz.rr.com) Quit (Client Quit)[16:47]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:48]* Axman6 (~Axman6@pdpc/supporter/student/Axman6) has joined #raspberrypi[16:48]* PiBot sets mode +v Axman6[16:51]* Wedgybo (~jsutherla@host-92-27-38-4.static.as13285.net) Quit (Quit: Wedgybo)[16:53]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[16:53]* PiBot sets mode +v chris_99[16:56]* TopherBrink (~GeorgeWBu@host86-137-52-18.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:56]* PiBot sets mode +v TopherBrink[16:57]<mkopack> Wish Newark would send me out an order status update??? grrr[17:00]<markus> happy mayday[17:00]* fabrice1 (~fabrice@c-67-180-20-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[17:00]<passstab> mkopack, mee to[17:01]<passstab> what is mayday?[17:01]<mkopack> Today[17:01]<mkopack> May 1[17:01]<mkopack> Big holiday in parts of Europe[17:01]<mkopack> I remember when I was in Helsinki Finland on Mayday in 1989??? Holy crap the whole city was out partying[17:07]<ReggieUK> uk gets teh day off on the 7th this year[17:07]* fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@206.248.12.222) has joined #raspberrypi[17:07]* PiBot sets mode +v fiftyonefifty[17:10]<Davespice> this would be really nice to have on the Pi; http://www.oolite.org/ - I just wish I knew how to recode it use the Rpi gpu libraries, hardly done any game programming on that level before[17:11]* nix900 (~bugzy@adsl-99-125-70-181.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:11]* PiBot sets mode +v nix900[17:12]<Cheery> Davespice: shouldn't be a trouble[17:12]<Cheery> Davespice: go and try it[17:12]<dmsuse> there is already an arm port[17:12]<dmsuse> why waste time :P[17:13]<Davespice> I know, I would like to give it a crack, but I am just not sure where to begin, most development work I have done has been business objects, database access, web application type stuff - this is a new level, I do want to try though[17:14]<mkopack> Yeah, seriously, just check and see if there's already a port[17:14]<mkopack> As long as it's using Open GL ES, it should run on the Pi[17:14]* lee (~lee@loathe.ms) has joined #raspberrypi[17:14]* PiBot sets mode +v lee[17:14]<Davespice> I got as far as this page, and you can download the source; http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3577[17:14]* bugzy (~bugzy@adsl-99-68-228-255.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:15]<Cheery> are X video drivers working already?[17:15]<rm> are there X video drivers already?[17:15]<mkopack> You mean GPU accelerated X drivers?[17:15]<Davespice> yes, but not accelerated ones[17:15]<Cheery> mkopack: yeh[17:15]<Davespice> check the game out though, it would be a perfect this for the gpu; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6C-WJU9IoE[17:15]<Davespice> it does look nice[17:16]<TopherBrink> hm, quake 2 on arch not going well. only quetoo runs the game and its slow enough to be considered as running at `seconds-per-frame`[17:16]<Hexxeh> anyone around to be a ginuea pig for the new rpi-update?[17:16]<TopherBrink> only engine port that ran on the pi at all[17:17]<Hexxeh> s/ginuea/guinea[17:17]* Linkas (~lukas@77.95.52.222) has joined #raspberrypi[17:17]* PiBot sets mode +v Linkas[17:18]<mkopack> Hexxeh! Hey man, How ya been? Haven't seen ya in a few days[17:18]<flaushy> wee the pi gives me a picture again :)[17:18]<lee> I'm sure there are plenty of people who are loud and whiny ... but I'm guessing you didn't mean that =)[17:18]<Hexxeh> flaushy: excellent![17:18]<Hexxeh> mkopack: good, just super busy :P[17:19]<Davespice> Hexxeh: I can volunteer too[17:19]<flaushy> kernel panic tho[17:20]<Hexxeh> Davespice: okay, sec[17:20]<flaushy> Hexxeh: i can test in a bit, need to save my data from the pi first[17:20]<Davespice> Hexxeh: only have remote access to my Pi right now sicne I am at work[17:20]<Hexxeh> Davespice: it might stop it rebooting, you okay with that?[17:21]<Davespice> what do you mean?[17:21]<Hexxeh> as part of the test, you need to reboot[17:21]* roban (~Roban_A@h69n7-th-c-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:21]<Hexxeh> it might screw your boot files up so it doesn't boot up again until you fix the SD card[17:21]<Cheery> I wonder whether I should start my rpi kernel project with simulator[17:21]<Davespice> oh right okay sure, yes best I don't do that over remote access then so I can be there to reflash the sd card[17:22]<Cheery> it seems the existing images treated stdin/stdout as an UART anyway.[17:22]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:22]<Cheery> and there were instructions for creating those images anyway.[17:23]<Cheery> I could just use them.[17:23]<Davespice> so the objective is that your program does the job of reflashing the SD card from the Pi itself so the need to remove the SD card and rewrite it using dd or disk imager is not required?[17:23]<Cheery> Davespice: sounds fun[17:23]<Hexxeh> Davespice: not quite, it replaces the firmware/sdk files[17:23]* chronofast (~George@173-167-154-172-illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:23]* PiBot sets mode +v chronofast[17:23]<ReggieUK> flaushy, is your mates pi working again?[17:23]<Hexxeh> the idea is that combined with apt-get upgrade, it'd let you keep up to date without having to reimage your card entirely[17:24]* Linkas (~lukas@77.95.52.222) Quit (Quit: leaving)[17:24]<Davespice> ohh I see... okay right, I thought you were totally rewriting the partitions for a moment there[17:24]<Hexxeh> ah, no[17:24]<flaushy> ReggieUK: looks like it ... at least i get hdmi out and a kernel panic :)[17:24]<Davespice> okay so its to allow for a kind of rolling release of the kernel etc[17:25]<Hexxeh> pretty much, yes[17:25]<ReggieUK> at least you've got some of it alive then[17:25]<Hexxeh> flaushy: keep it in channel, i'll post it here[17:25]<Davespice> okay cool, if I can do anything to help I will[17:25]<ReggieUK> step 1. disable networking support in the kernel![17:25]<Hexxeh> it takes a fair amount of time to run[17:25]<Hexxeh> depends on your connection speed though[17:25]<Hexxeh> subsequent updates should be faster though[17:25]<flaushy> Hexxeh: ok[17:25]<Davespice> I have 30mbit VM[17:26]<ReggieUK> so, flaushy, this is one of the reworked Pis isn't it?[17:26]<flaushy> ReggieUK: should be[17:26]<RAThomas> millibits, eh?[17:26]* zer0her0 (~z@cpe-74-76-225-89.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:26]* PiBot sets mode +v zer0her0[17:26]<OneFix_Work> My expected ship date at Newark is still August 15th...has anyones changed yet?[17:26]<Hexxeh> just doing one last test on my pi before i post the link again[17:26]<RAThomas> OneFix_Work: mine has not[17:26]<mkopack> OneFix_Work: Nope, same here??? I posted to the forums asking if anyone with a Newark order has gotten an update yet[17:27]<flaushy> ReggieUK: i will try Hexxeh images lateron[17:27]<mkopack> Hexxeh: Just curious if that VICE C64 emulator test worked?[17:27]* si (~si@unaffiliated/siofwolves) has joined #raspberrypi[17:27]* PiBot sets mode +v si[17:27]* PiBot sets mode +v si[17:28]<Hexxeh> for testing rpi-update, try this:[17:28]<mikey_w> My order at Newark still says back ordered?[17:28]<Hexxeh> wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update[17:28]<Hexxeh> mkopack: not tested, i forget which sd card i had it on[17:28]<Hexxeh> i'll try and dig it out[17:28]<RAThomas> mikey_w: mine too[17:28]<mkopack> mikey_w: same here. I guess we just sit tight and keep wating[17:28]<flaushy> Hexxeh: on which image?[17:28]<Hexxeh> any[17:28]<flaushy> ok[17:28]<Hexxeh> need to test as wide a variety as possible[17:28]<mkopack> Hexxeh: No rush. Was just wondering since I had to log off before you came back from being AFK the other night[17:28]<Hexxeh> it should theoretically work on any of them[17:29]<mikey_w> Sucks.[17:30]<mikey_w> But I paid for an openpandora game console in April of 2009 and I am still waiting.[17:30]<RAThomas> crikey, mikey[17:30]<Elfish> get your money back? :x[17:31]<mkopack> mikey_w: We should be hearing some info this week??? Farnell has said they're sending out status updates with shipment info to all their orders (Newark is part of Farnell) this week.[17:31]* UKB|Away is now known as unknownbliss[17:32]<mikey_w> No they raised the price much higher, because the underestimated their costs, so I will just wait. I have no intention of letting them off the hook so they actually make money.[17:32]* nix900 is now known as bugzy[17:32]<mikey_w> s/the/they[17:33]<mikey_w> Thanks for that news, mkopack,[17:36]<ShiftPlusOne> mikey_w, this is nothing like pandora, these guys actually know what they're doing.[17:36]<Hexxeh> mkopack: where's the binary i need to run once it's compiled?[17:36]<Hexxeh> don't want to make install because my root is almost full[17:37]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[17:37]* PiBot sets mode +v chris_99[17:37]<mikey_w> I also have a mele A1000 in the pipeline too. I love my toys.[17:37]<mkopack> ?[17:37]<mkopack> I think you just run it. If it gets to the C64 screen prompt, I'd say you're good[17:38]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:38]<mikey_w> The mele A1000 is a set top box that is being used fro allwinner development.[17:38]<Hexxeh> mkopack: what binary do i run, though?[17:38]<mkopack> Hexxeh: Like I said, no worries. THis is strictly just a if you have time thing. Low priority[17:38]<mikey_w> s/fro/for[17:38]<mkopack> Oh.. Um, no idea. Never run VICE on linux before[17:38]<mkopack> I assume there's a "vice" or "vice64" file[17:39]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:39]* PiBot sets mode +v chandoo[17:39]<msil> it's 'x64'[17:39]* Veryevil (~Veryevil@83.166.186.218) Quit ()[17:39]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:41]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28717.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:41]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:41]* Aruneh (~mimi@93.164.101.178) has joined #raspberrypi[17:41]* PiBot sets mode +v Aruneh[17:41]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:41]* PiBot sets mode +v chandoo[17:42]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28717.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[17:42]* PiBot sets mode +v NIN101[17:42]<Hexxeh> mkopack: yeah it works[17:43]<Hexxeh> mkopack: i got the c64 console showing, works fine[17:43]<Hexxeh> speed 100%[17:43]<Hexxeh> flaushy: any luck with the updater?[17:46]<DaQatz> Not surprised C64 runs full speed.[17:47]* roman3x (~roman3x@bband-dyn167.95-103-144.t-com.sk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:47]* PiBot sets mode +v roman3x[17:47]<mkopack> AWESOME[17:47]<flaushy> Hexxeh: am booting :)[17:47]* mkopack is gonna play some Impossible Mission on his Pi![17:47]<flaushy> need to type it in in a sec[17:47]<mkopack> "Another Visitor??? Stay a while???. Stay forever!"[17:48]<flaushy> networking working, so chip is not dead :)[17:49]<Hexxeh> any more willing victims to test this? tpresence?[17:49]<mkopack> Probably just overheated???[17:49]* diplo (~diplo@cpc2-trow1-0-0-cust1447.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:49]<Guest71930> mkopack: but how do you explain the splodge behind the networking chip?[17:49]<mkopack> I'd suggest a heat sink, or at least some good airflow around the chip if you're going to run Tor again[17:49]<urs> Gaah, all you people who already got their pi and are having fun with it! I envy you![17:49]<mkopack> Heat[17:50]<urs> Can't this channel just go back to the "any news yet?" - "nope." state?[17:50]<lennard> no, that cant ever happen again[17:50]<urs> lennard: I'm happy and sad at the same time![17:50]<mkopack> That's probably just solder flux goo that flowed due to the heat from the chip[17:50]<Guest71930> urs: It was hilarious yesterday, stsome young fellow had decided to randomly attack his new pi with a soldering iron, he was quite puzzled when it stopped working[17:50]<Hexxeh> i should note i've been running a pi solidly as a server since it arrived[17:50]<Hexxeh> it's not melted or anything yet...[17:51]<Hexxeh> and i've been using it for distcc[17:53]* chronofast (~George@173-167-154-172-illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:53]* sioux_ (bb652641@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.101.38.65) has joined #raspberrypi[17:53]* PiBot sets mode +v sioux_[17:53]<DaQatz> distcc with a remote cross compiler?[17:54]<sioux_> hi guys[17:54]<Hexxeh> DaQatz: no, i'm lazy, just two pis :P[17:54]<sioux_> where i pre order rapberry pi ?[17:54]<flaushy> Hexxeh: Failed: Error while trying to wget new version![17:54]<Hexxeh> flaushy: lemme check the code, sec[17:55]<flaushy> i guess it is certificates[17:55]<Hexxeh> you running debian?[17:55]<flaushy> yepe[17:55]<Hexxeh> did you use --no-check-certificate when running the command i gave you?[17:55]<DaQatz> When mine finaly shows. I will distcc as well. But with a cross compiler for the ram +speed.[17:56]<Guest71930> sioux_: maplin[17:56]<flaushy> yepe[17:57]<sioux_> Guest71930: ?[18:03]* fabrice1 (~fabrice@nat/mozilla/x-gyenfpbedzibzwki) has joined #raspberrypi[18:03]* PiBot sets mode +v fabrice1[18:06]<Hexxeh> Folks interested in Xorg drivers, seen this? http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=5012187[18:08]<Davespice> Hexxeh: I've got a copy of that file if you need it[18:08]* MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@dhcp-13.ilrt.bris.ac.uk) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[18:08]<Davespice> its only two pages long, not actually massivly helpful[18:08]<Hexxeh> i can login via my uni account[18:08]<Hexxeh> got the pdf[18:09]<Davespice> okay cool[18:09]<Hexxeh> probably the first research paper i've come across that's actually useful to me...![18:10]<Davespice> I have actually sent a couple of emails to the authors of it, but had no response, I've got their email addresses if you want them?[18:10]<Hexxeh> the stuff they did is public already[18:10]<Davespice> can you download the code then?[18:10]<Hexxeh> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNDI[18:10]<Hexxeh> it's this iirc[18:11]<Davespice> oh right...[18:11]<Hexxeh> source here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/glamor/[18:11]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:13]<Hexxeh> I'm not sure what's Intel specific about it though[18:15]<[TH]exfileme> whoah hexxeh. awesome to meet you ;)[18:15]* FZombie (~STN@pdpc/supporter/student/GPLGeek) has joined #raspberrypi[18:15]* PiBot sets mode +v FZombie[18:17]* mrcan is now known as mrcan-afk[18:18]<Hydrazine> Crenn-NAS: The driver is usable, but not finished[18:18]<Hydrazine> spi clk hard coded etc[18:19]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002129015168.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:20]<Hexxeh> this Glamor stuff seems very interesting[18:21]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[18:21]* PiBot sets mode 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caring...[18:53]<Guest71930> can't stand the little shit machines[18:53]<DaQatz> Guest22638, This is PG13 chan[18:54]<Guest71930> this isn't a chan[18:54]* curahack (~michel@sub-190-88-91ip196.rev.onenet.an) has joined #raspberrypi[18:54]* PiBot sets mode +v curahack[18:54]<Guest22638> 0.o[18:54]* curahack has returned[18:54]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[18:54]<Guest71930> o.0[18:54]<DaQatz> oops sorry Guest22638[18:54]<Guest22638> .....[18:54]<DaQatz> Meant Guest71930[18:54]* Guest22638 was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean[18:54]<DaQatz> IT_Sean, Wrong guest[18:54]* Guest22638 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:54]* PiBot sets mode +v Guest22638[18:54]<Guest71930> rofl[18:54]<IT_Sean> oh... bugger[18:55]<IT_Sean> sorry![18:55]<IT_Sean> wrong guest[18:55]<Guest22638> ...[18:55]<Cheery> -_-[18:55]<Guest71930> hilarious[18:55]<Hydrazine> O_O[18:55]<ReggieUK> 71930 is the droid you're looking for[18:55]* Guest71930 was kicked from 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paper on the sum of battery knowledge I've compiled[19:35]<RITRedbeard> with sources to cite and all that[19:36]<Hydrazine> oooo[19:36]<flaushy> nice[19:36]<Hydrazine> nice[19:36]<TopherBrink> rice i mean nice[19:37]* Meatballs|Away is now known as Meatballs[19:38]<Hexxeh> i didn't even know mpthompson was in here, cool[19:38]<Guest22405> I call bullshit[19:39]<[TH]exfileme> but will bullshit answer, that's the question[19:39]<RITRedbeard> bullshit calls me 8)[19:39]* FREDR1K (~fredrik2@h252n3-aepv-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:39]<RITRedbeard> that's a double ententre, right?[19:40]<RITRedbeard> because first of all it is like, people call bullshit on me[19:40]<RITRedbeard> the second part is in relation to the words used to formulate the sentence, the slang, calls -- like a telephone[19:40]* FREDR1K (~fredrik2@h252n3-aepv-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:40]* PiBot sets mode +v FREDR1K[19:41]<Guest22405> a telephone?[19:42]<[TH]exfileme> 1-800-bullshit[19:42]<Guest22405> and that's not a double entendre. Usually the second meaning has a risque or ironic element.[19:42]<[TH]exfileme> "yesm i'd like to place an order"[19:42]* Slippern (~Slippern@server02.hjemmeserver.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:44]<Hydrazine> I think I'm starting to understand how this whole SPI driver thing should work[19:45]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:46]<[TH]exfileme> diablo 3 will have global play[19:46]<[TH]exfileme> whoops wrong window sorry[19:48]* Slippern (slippern@pc5154.stdby.hin.no) has joined #raspberrypi[19:48]* PiBot sets mode +v Slippern[19:48]<[TH]exfileme> old diablo on Pi would be cool[19:48]<[TH]exfileme> didnt someone say the old Quake (1) was working?[19:50]<TopherBrink> it is sort of[19:51]<TopherBrink> it will run via tyrquake on arch linux[19:51]<TopherBrink> no audio and slow if run in too big a window[19:53]* jamesglanville (~james@92.40.253.41.threembb.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:55]* FREDR1K (~fredrik2@h252n3-aepv-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[19:56]* Cheery (~cheery@a88-113-48-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[19:57]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:57]<hotwings> still bogus aug.16 ship date....[19:57]* hotwings sighs[19:58]<IT_Sean> I have closed 80 trouble tickets so far in 2012.[19:58]* Slippern (slippern@pc5154.stdby.hin.no) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:59]<mkopack> hotwings: Yeah, I posted a thread to the forums asking if anyone who ordered from Newark USA has seen an email with an update. 70+ page views, not a single response[20:00]<mkopack> I tried asking newark's online support chat and they just pointed me to the message saying they were going to send up updates within 5 days.. and that was on the 27th. Today/tomorrow would make 5 days[20:01]<mozzwald> mkopack: i ordered from Newark USA and have my pi already[20:02]<mkopack> Yeah., I'm talking those of us who are waiting still[20:02]<Guest22405> mkopack: I wouldn't be suprised if most of these views were bots[20:02]<mkopack> for these next batches[20:02]<mozzwald> ah[20:03]<Guest22405> I'm suprised the admins haven't locked the thread yet[20:07]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[20:07]* PiBot sets mode +v zleap[20:10]* [TNM]Roban (~Roban_A@90-227-25-142-no68.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:10]* PiBot sets mode +v [TNM]Roban[20:12]* anon9002 (~anon@KYM5298.rh.psu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[20:12]* PiBot sets mode +v anon9002[20:13]* FREDR1K (~fredrik2@h252n3-aepv-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:13]* PiBot sets mode +v FREDR1K[20:15]<hotwings> mozzwald - when did you order your rpi?[20:16]<Hexxeh> raspbian-r1 base image is like 85MB[20:18]<mozzwald> hotwings: 2/29/12 5:18 AM[20:19]<dmsuse> :o[20:20]* plugwash (~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::317) has joined #raspberrypi[20:20]* PiBot sets mode +v plugwash[20:21]<SimonT> mozzwald: what timezone?[20:23]<flaushy> Hexxeh: do you cross compile?[20:24]<TopherBrink> getting to the point now where some sort of ubuntu/etc tutorial on cross compiling from source would be beyond handy[20:24]<mozzwald> SimonT: Central[20:25]<Hexxeh> flaushy: for what?[20:25]<RAThomas> TopherBrink: there is a start for that: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation[20:25]* wej (~j@95.211.10.3) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:25]<flaushy> for raspian[20:26]<Hexxeh> flaushy: i'm not building the packages[20:26]<Hexxeh> mpthompson is[20:26]<flaushy> ah okie[20:26]<Hexxeh> i'm just building an image with them[20:26]<SimonT> mozzwald: so that's quite a few hours after launch then right? 6-7 hours I think?[20:26]<hotwings> mozzwald - mine was Date Order Was Placed : 3/1/12 12:17 PM .. PST[20:26]* wej (~j@95.211.10.3) has joined #raspberrypi[20:26]* PiBot sets mode +v wej[20:26]<TopherBrink> i can sit here and build simpler things on the rpi, and i got openelec to build over on ubuntu thanks to their nice writeup... damned if i can figure out where to go with general source though yet[20:26]<flaushy> gosh i start to hate ieee rules on their website :/[20:27]<hotwings> didnt feel like trying to refresh the order page a billion times before it worked on 2/29 :\[20:27]<Hydrazine> list.h has some really nice functions[20:27]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[20:27]<mozzwald> TopherBrink: http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/07/setting-up-scratchbox2-from-scratch-for-the-raspberry-pi/ and http://russelldavis.org/2010/10/20/setting-up-scratchbox2-to-build-software-for-zubuntu/ are good guides[20:27]<TopherBrink> that one is looking interesting though[20:27]<TopherBrink> yeah i did that too[20:27]<mozzwald> SimonT: yeah[20:27]<TopherBrink> or some of it[20:27]<flaushy> cool :)[20:28]<TopherBrink> went through his VM guide (only on an actual ubuntu install instead of a VM)[20:28]<flaushy> i would have no problems letting my pi compile durin the day[20:28]<TopherBrink> never saw those though[20:28]<TopherBrink> new stuff to play with then, much obliged[20:29]<mozzwald> TopherBrink: I'm still using the latter setup for building pi software[20:29]<TopherBrink> cool, i'll definitely start on those soon[20:30]* Laogeodritt (~Laogeodri@wikipedia/Laogeodritt) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:30]* jaxdahl (foobar@cthulhu.residential.okstate.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:30]* jaxdahl (foobar@cthulhu.residential.okstate.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[20:30]* PiBot sets mode +v jaxdahl[20:30]<TopherBrink> a lot quicker compiling something on a quad core than on the RPi thats for sure[20:30]<mozzwald> yes it is :)[20:30]* chod (~chod@toy-town.demon.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[20:30]* PiBot sets mode +v chod[20:31]<Hexxeh> flaushy: can i borrow ssh into your Pi again temporarily?[20:31]<plugwash> flaushy, raspian is being built natively on compatible arm hardware[20:31]<Hexxeh> want to check how some network stuff is setup by default on the debian image[20:31]<plugwash> (though not on Pis, we aren't that masochistic)[20:31]<hotwings> compiling on rpi? hope you have some beer in the fridge and something good to watch on tv[20:31]<flaushy> Hexxeh: one sec[20:31]<TopherBrink> exactly[20:32]<Hexxeh> plugwash: have you tested on a pi at all?[20:32]<Hexxeh> a debootstrapped image, that is[20:32]<TopherBrink> i left advmame building overnight once on the rpi, that's more than a long wait[20:32]<hotwings> ??_??[20:33]<plugwash> Hexxeh, I beleive dom tested on one in the early stages of the port (just after we got it bootstrappable)[20:33]<plugwash> I don't own a pi personally yet[20:33]<Hexxeh> plugwash: would you find a remote pi running raspbian useful?[20:33]<Hexxeh> i'm happy to dedicate one of mine for you and mpthompson to use[20:34]* r00t|home (~r00t@port-83-236-58-48.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #raspberrypi[20:34]* PiBot sets mode +v r00t|home[20:34]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:34]<mozzwald> are there test images of raspbian yet? or is it still bootstrap your own?[20:34]<plugwash> right now I have my hands full with build issues, it would probablly be more useful for you to start testing stuff yourself and reporting any problems[20:34]<flaushy> Hexxeh: NACK, i left my cell phone charger in my office at university :/[20:35]<Dagger2> plugwash: does 'we' mean you're involved with it? and does that mean I can bug you about enabling IPv6 in the kernels for it?[20:35]* wkl (~Conan@123.125.1.145) Quit (Quit: wkl)[20:35]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: i'm in the process of building one[20:35]<Dagger2> (at least as a module)[20:35]* Behold (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:35]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: works good, couple of niggles to fix up to make it a bit more user friendly[20:35]<flaushy> hotwings: if it runs 24/7 i dont mind it doing work in the background[20:35]<Hexxeh> flaushy: heh, no worries[20:35]<Dagger2> having to recompile the kernel in the existing Debian image just to enable it is not great. :/[20:35]* RAThomas (~chatzilla@r74-195-238-153.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643])[20:36]* Transformer (~Transform@ool-44c4bb0a.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:36]* PiBot sets mode +v Transformer[20:36]<flaushy> i had like 5 - 10 of them chargers... all gone in the last couple of months ... i wonder why[20:36]<Hexxeh> anyone know off hand where dhcp is kicked off in the default debian image?[20:36]<plugwash> mozzwald, mpthompson has prepared a qemu image but I don't think anyone has prepared a Pi image yet, if someone with a Pi wants to prepare one for us i'm sure that would be appreciated[20:36]<Hexxeh> plugwash: i'm on it :)[20:36]* Transformer (~Transform@ool-44c4bb0a.dyn.optonline.net) has left #raspberrypi[20:37]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28717.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[20:37]* PiBot sets mode +v NIN101[20:37]* sajimon_ is now known as sajmon[20:39]<plugwash> Dagger2, i'm pro IPv6 but kernels aren't the first thing on my mind at the moment[20:39]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[20:39]* PiBot sets mode +v zleap[20:39]<plugwash> since the same kernels can be used for both hardfloat and softfloat systems ipv6 kernel support is pretty much orthogonal to hardfloat support[20:39]<zgreg> is there any problem with enabling ipv6?[20:40]<zgreg> can't they simply enable it for the next "release" of the debian image?[20:40]<Guest22405> it would be pretty silly of them to sell a device that doesn't support ipv6[20:40]<Dagger2> zgreg: there is no IPv6 code in the kernel. CONFIG_IPV6 is off[20:40]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi[20:40]* PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory[20:40]<plugwash> that is their descision not ours, and the foundation seem to have a somewhat backwards view on ipv6[20:40]<zgreg> zgreg: sure, but the kernel should simply be recompiled[20:40]<Dagger2> zgreg: I brought it up on the forums, and the response was "the Debian image is intended to be a minimal base installation, so we're not going to enable it"[20:41]<Guest22405> haven't we already run out of ipv4 though?[20:41]<zgreg> Guest22405: pretty much, yes[20:41]<plugwash> IIRC what the foundation have said on the IPv6 issue is basically "we don't have IPv6 in our little network backwater so we don't care about it"[20:41]<Hexxeh> not exactly minimal considering it ships lxde[20:41]<Guest22405> they've all be allocated[20:41]<zgreg> and there's an RFC now that basically says "IP" means IPv6 and IPv4[20:41]<Dagger2> (at the time the Debian image had no audio, wireless or bluetooth support, so I believed them. those three things have since been enabled though, so it's clearly not intended to be a minimal base installation anymore...)[20:41]<zgreg> so IPv6 is for a matter of fact the standard version of the protocol[20:42]<Guest22405> even my shitty phone has ipv6 support[20:42]<Dagger2> plugwash: I noticed you hadn't compiled one yet, but I assumed you would at some point. greatly appreciated if you could make sure IPv6 is enabled in it when you do[20:43]<hotwings> ipv6 support only has worth when providers support it. which most here dont as it seems[20:43]<plugwash> anyway if someone wants to take the debian kernel packaging and modify it so that when it is built for armhf it produces two kernels one for using rasbian on the Pi and one for using rasbian on qemu it would be most appreciated[20:43]<hotwings> here, being the us[20:43]<flaushy> hotwings: but it will come pretty quick i recon. comcast was pushing it as well[20:43]<Dagger2> plugwash: also awesome would be if you could lean on the Foundation re: the current Debian image/the kernel patch default settings ;)[20:43]* jgarrett (~jgarrett@216.30.179.54) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:43]<Guest22405> hotwings: They will start supporting it very quickly when their stockpile of ipv4 runs out[20:43]<Dagger2> hotwings: `apt-get install miredo` for a magic v6 tunnel[20:44]* khildin (~khildin@ip-83-134-214-171.dsl.scarlet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[20:44]* PiBot sets mode +v khildin[20:44]* fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@206.248.12.222) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:44]<hotwings> flaushy - i had comcast and had inquired about it. they told me there wernt any plans to support it. granted, things could have changed since then[20:44]<dmsuse> why would you ever need ipv6 on a pi ?[20:44]<hotwings> i currently have qwest dsl and same thing with them.. i asked about it when i switched and they gave practically the same answerr[20:45]<Dagger2> hotwings: directly useful *now* if you do things like SSH into your own systems, since fiddling around with port forwarding and non-default ports and blah is just a pain[20:45]<flaushy> dmsuse: i need it now for home automation[20:45]<flaushy> is one of the reasons i wanted one[20:45]<Guest22405> hotwings: tech support usually don't have a clue about the real plans[20:45]<dmsuse> flaushy: why not use 4 ?[20:45]<Dagger2> dmsuse: if you want to connect to it over a network... it's useful[20:45]<flaushy> dmsuse: because i use 6lowpan, there you dont have any legacy[20:45]<Dagger2> dmsuse: v4 is a pain becaues no addresses[20:45]<dmsuse> k[20:45]<Dagger2> because*[20:46]<Dagger2> hotwings: Comcast are doing a v6 rollout right now[20:46]<hotwings> Guest22405 - at least with comcast, the info came from >tech support. even >line tech. was from a guy who works on the nodes[20:46]* khildin (~khildin@ip-83-134-214-171.dsl.scarlet.be) Quit (Client Quit)[20:47]<Guest22405> hotwings: Still, unless he was a boardmember he would have no idea[20:47]<hotwings> Dagger2 - probably somewhere else. seattle/WA for some reason always seems to be last on the list to get stuff[20:47]<Hexxeh> raspbian r1 image pretty much ready, just zipping it up now[20:47]<flaushy> hotwings: german telekom hotline: ipv6? ah yeah... voip is working[20:47]* LWK_mac_ (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) has joined #raspberrypi[20:47]* PiBot sets mode +v LWK_mac_[20:47]<Dagger2> hotwings: it's going to take a while to get fully rolled out over their entire network, but it is coming[20:48]* LWK_mac (~LWK@pdpc/supporter/student/lwk) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:48]* LWK_mac_ is now known as LWK_mac[20:48]<hotwings> from past experience with comcast, 'it is coming' really means.. 'it is coming, sometime in the future... maybe within 5 years'[20:48]<Guest22405> at least it's not valve time[20:48]<plugwash> yeah comcast REALLY needs v6[20:48]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@250-105.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:49]<plugwash> (though their frontline support may not be so aware of that fact)[20:49]<gregrob> End users should not expect to see IPV6 in the wild yet. It is still being rolled out on the backbone, and thus the edge cannot easily be made ready yet.[20:49]* Delboy_ (~Kombajn@234-28.dsl.iskon.hr) has joined #raspberrypi[20:49]* PiBot sets mode +v Delboy_[20:49]<Dagger2> hotwings: as I said, they are actively doing a rollout though. it's not just some distant plan[20:49]<zgreg> gregrob: the first end-user ISPs are going for ipv6 at the moment[20:50]<flaushy> afaik at least one big german isp rolls it out already[20:50]<plugwash> comcast exhausted net10 years ago and are now having to use public IPs for their management networks so if v4 IP supply runs out before they get support for v6 into their management networks they are in rather a mess[20:50]* fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@206.248.12.222) has joined #raspberrypi[20:50]* PiBot sets mode +v fiftyonefifty[20:50]<zgreg> gregrob: you can't rely on a certain part of the net adopting it before doing it yourself, that's a classical hen-and-egg problem[20:50]<Guest22405> Yeah but the american ISPs are very backwards technologically[20:51]<flaushy> american isps grabbed enough address when there were plenty[20:51]<gregrob> Agree it is coming soon. But in NA it is coming to the core right now, and will be at the edge in another year or so.[20:51]<zgreg> well, a few big US ISPs are also rolling out IPv6 at the moment[20:51]<Dagger2> flaushy: no they didn't[20:52]<Dagger2> flaushy: all US ISPs I know only give a single IP address per customer. dunno about you, but I have about 20 devices that need IPs here[20:52]* spm_Draget (~quassel@ip-176-199-108-67.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #raspberrypi[20:52]* PiBot sets mode +v spm_Draget[20:52]<zgreg> the ISPs didn't, but some old and big companies grabbed class-a networks[20:52]<Dagger2> flaushy: if they had enough addresses then they'd be giving enough addresses to their customers... but they aren't[20:52]<flaushy> Dagger2: yeah, but asian isps dont have that ^^[20:52]<Guest22405> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/map_of_the_internet.jpg[20:53]<spm_Draget> Is there a minimal debian that just contain all tweaks and drivers to have a minimal server system on the rpi?[20:53]<zgreg> Guest22405: yeah, you can see those big companies with class-a networks there pretty easily :)[20:53]<flaushy> Dagger2: and i have about 20 - 30 devices here which have ipaddresses[20:53]<flaushy> and NAT is a pain :/[20:53]<spm_Draget> Preferably something so minimal, that it has hardly any services running (thus little attack vector, even if not update for a longer time)[20:53]<Guest22405> flaushy: these would be local IPs though right?[20:54]<flaushy> Guest22405: mostly v6[20:54]* si (~si@unaffiliated/siofwolves) Quit (Quit: hosepipe ban)[20:54]<zgreg> I'm sure we'll see NAT with IPv6, too[20:54]<flaushy> and yeah, v4 i only have 4[20:54]<flaushy> zgreg: some tried to make a rfc for that :/[20:54]<zgreg> it's a pity, but it's the easy way to ensure security[20:55]<gregrob> If it weren't for NAT we would all be on IPV6 for over a decade now. And a lot of things (VoIP, FTP) would work a lot easier.[20:55]<flaushy> NAT is no security[20:55]<zgreg> the BETTER way is a proper packet filter firewall[20:55]<zgreg> flaushy: it is, for the better or worse[20:55]<flaushy> apple rolled back their ipv6 support iirc[20:55]<SpeedEvil> NAT can be better than a packet filter firewall[20:55]* Turingi (~devon@unaffiliated/devon-hillard/x-7250961) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:55]<SpeedEvil> - if you are on the end of a slow link[20:56]<SpeedEvil> slow/expensive[20:56]<zgreg> flaushy: NAT makes it incredibly hard to directly address nodes, so the security is sort of side-effect of its crappyness :D[20:56]<hotwings> lol[20:56]<SpeedEvil> Where expensive may be in terms of power[20:56]<flaushy> zgreg: yeah the car is broken, but hey, noone gonna steal it ^^[20:56]<SpeedEvil> A 3G modem uses almost no power when the connection is idle[20:56]<hotwings> i guess if youre going to have a side-effect, security is one to have[20:56]<Dagger2> SpeedEvil: how does NAT help there?[20:56]<SpeedEvil> If you send one packet every 5 seconds, it murders the power use.[20:57]<zgreg> SpeedEvil: interesting point[20:57]<zgreg> NAT sure makes sense in some special cases[20:57]<zgreg> but in general, no[20:57]<SpeedEvil> To the point that a week standby may go to 12h[20:58]<zgreg> also, it should be possible to get the same behavior with a stateful packet filter[20:58]<SpeedEvil> Sure.[20:58]<SpeedEvil> If you control the far end[20:58]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-166-177.client.wireless.msu.edu) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:58]<SpeedEvil> Which is generally hard[20:58]<zgreg> well, the mobile ISPs will have to configure it adequately[20:58]<SpeedEvil> http://aaisp.net.uk/ - however[20:58]<Dagger2> SpeedEvil: how does NAT reduce power consumption?[20:59]<flaushy> hmm don't think it should be too hard[20:59]<SpeedEvil> You can actually setup your own server as an APN[20:59]<DaQatz> Every time I see someone speak of NAT for security reasons I die a little inside.[20:59]<SpeedEvil> I.E. your phone essentially makes a point-point connection to your server when you connect to it.[20:59]<SpeedEvil> It's not connected to the internet at all.[20:59]* koaschten (~koaschten@31-16-2-45-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #raspberrypi[20:59]* PiBot sets mode +v koaschten[20:59]<zgreg> Dagger2: because nobody can spam you with packets the internet[20:59]<zgreg> *from the[20:59]* Syliss (~Syliss@64.134.230.82) has joined #raspberrypi[20:59]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss[20:59]<Dagger2> zgreg: only if your upstream does NAT for you[20:59]<zgreg> DaQatz: whatever, but there is some merit to it[20:59]<SpeedEvil> spam, or random background vulnerability probes[21:00]<Dagger2> which I think we can all agree is just no[21:00]<zgreg> Dagger2: but that is exactly the typical case[21:00]<zgreg> DaQatz: security is a bad reason for going for NAT, but it is one[21:00]<Dagger2> and anyway, a firewall does exactly the same thing[21:00]* Syliss_ (~Syliss@64.134.230.82) has joined #raspberrypi[21:00]* Syliss (~Syliss@64.134.230.82) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:00]* PiBot sets mode +v Syliss_[21:00]<spm_Draget> Does the debian squeeze on the download page have preconfigure rpi repositories - and cleanly update whenever needed?[21:01]<SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption[21:01]<DaQatz> NAT is not secure, it's at best a mild for obfuscation.[21:01]<SpeedEvil> Contains details of how bad small amounts of data can be[21:01]<DaQatz> form of*[21:01]<SpeedEvil> DaQatz: It's secure inbound, if your device is not making outbound connections.[21:02]<Dagger2> also random port scans are harder on v6 when you have a larger address space to scan, particularly if the device only has a single address on a larger subnet (rather than an entire subnet routed to it)[21:02]<flaushy> Dagger2: that reminds me of eff talks :) ssl observatory[21:02]<flaushy> "we scanned the internet... twice"[21:02]<mozzwald> spm_Draget: it uses debian repo so it will update. kernel though needs to be updated manually[21:03]<Dagger2> SpeedEvil: a *firewall* is secure inbound. NAT is just plain broken (in such a manner that inbound connections are impossible/awkward)[21:04]<SpeedEvil> Dagger2: Oh - I agree.[21:04]<SpeedEvil> Dagger2: And having the ability to tunnel to your phone in some authenticated manner would be nice.[21:05]<spm_Draget> mozzwald: Okay, thanks. So the debian image is basically a debian squeeze (arm) + custom kernel(+custom patches) and some preinstalled software? Or any other invasive changes?[21:05]<zgreg> Dagger2: yes, the security aspect is a side-effect, but that doesn't mean it's not there.[21:05]<zgreg> and, yes, a packet filter make more sense. but it is also much harder to configure[21:06]<Dagger2> zgreg: pff. two iptables rules instead of one. so much harder.[21:06]<Dagger2> zgreg: and when you start wanting to make connections across the filter/NAT, the filter is much easier to configure than NAT[21:07]<zgreg> end-users don't have to configure NAT[21:07]<Dagger2> zgreg: so why do you assume they would have to configure a packet filter?[21:07]<zgreg> router boxes have it enabled by default[21:07]<Dagger2> it'll just be enabled by default in router boxes[21:07]<mozzwald> spm_Draget: pretty much. there's some special boot scripts, but nothing major[21:07]<zgreg> because I don't trust the manufacturers of those crappy shitboxes :D[21:07]<flaushy> zgreg: end users have strange stuff destroying most of your nat security to get through ;)[21:08]<zgreg> most of it is a hyperbole[21:08]<zgreg> STUN needs to be initiated from the node[21:08]<Dagger2> zgreg: eh, if you don't trust a bit of hardware you shouldn't be using it for your gateway[21:09]<SpeedEvil> STUN has to be initiated from the node, but not always with the users knowledge[21:10]<spm_Draget> Hmm, I wonder how difficult it would be to user a plain arm debian and add the nessecary kenrel patches/bootscripts[21:10]* jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) has joined #raspberrypi[21:10]* PiBot sets mode +v jluisn[21:11]<zgreg> Dagger2: I won't, but naive users generally won't care...[21:11]<mozzwald> spm_Draget: i think that's kinda what they did. but you could create your own from scratch and add in what you need.[21:12]<zgreg> NAT is simply the "easy way" to ensure some primitive security[21:12]<Guest22405> I'm a naive user who doesn't care[21:12]<spm_Draget> Hmm, I thought hardfloat would be for ARMs without a floatingpoit-unit, so they would not have to emulate fp-operations or something like this. But ARM11 has a fpu??? would I want arm hardfloat for rpi?[21:12]<zgreg> with a firewall, there are endless easy ways to get it wrong[21:13]* beej199 (~bengill@w-98.cust-11318.ip.static.uno.uk.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:13]* PiBot sets mode +v beej199[21:13]<zgreg> I perfectly agree that it is still the much better and right way, but on the other hand I can somewhat understand why people want NAT even with IPv6[21:13]<spm_Draget> Oh ofcourse. hardfloat -> hardware float support. The 'old' arm ports do not use the hardware fpu, thus I want arm-hardfloat for rpi.[21:13]<spm_Draget> Got it =)[21:14]<flaushy> spm_Draget: \o/[21:14]* katnegermis (~katnegerm@ip2.c648.frb194.cust.comxnet.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[21:14]* PiBot sets mode +v katnegermis[21:14]<spm_Draget> But debian squeeze only exists as armel - does this mean the current recommended rpi image is slower than it could be?[21:14]<zgreg> well softfloat does not indicate no hardware FPU support[21:15]<zgreg> softfloat/hardfloat refers to the calling convention[21:15]* D34TH (D34TH@unaffiliated/d34th) has joined #raspberrypi[21:15]* PiBot sets mode +v D34TH[21:15]<spm_Draget> At the end of my current information gather I see me defaulting back to some custom gentoo cross-compiling xD[21:15]<zgreg> softfloat passes floating-pointer parameters in integer registers. this has some overhead, but it is compatible to CPUs without FPU[21:15]<zgreg> hardfloat passes floating-point parameters in the FPU registers[21:16]<spm_Draget> Yup. But in debian squeeze currently everything is compiled like this - if I got the debian wiki correctly, hardwaresupport is first introduced with the upcoming 7.0 (wheeze)[21:16]* AdrianG (~amphetami@unaffiliated/amphetamine) has joined #raspberrypi[21:16]* PiBot sets mode +v AdrianG[21:16]<_av500_> thats debian[21:16]<_av500_> but cant be generalied[21:16]<_av500_> but cant be generalized[21:17]<zgreg> ubuntu has a pretty stable hardfloat ARM branch[21:17]<spm_Draget> Debian squeeze, the current recommended distro on the rpi page?[21:17]<zgreg> ARMv7, though :)[21:17]<_av500_> just send them enough fanmail and they might reconsider armv5[21:17]<mozzwald> spm_Draget: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/debian-hard-float-armhf-for-rpi[21:17]<zgreg> I really really doubt it[21:18]<zgreg> canonical has very limited resources[21:18]<_av500_> spaceman is a sucker for publicity[21:19]<zgreg> additionally, ubuntu (as in the ubuntu desktop distribution) is not suitable for the raspberry pi[21:19]<spm_Draget> I am confused by that arm instriuction sets anyways. Why v5 or v6, I thought we want ARM11 for the rpi :P[21:19]* passstab (~coplon@c-68-80-37-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[21:20]<zgreg> yes, it is confusing. ARM11 does not refer to the instruction set, that's the name for a physical ARM processor core[21:20]<_av500_> instruction set != ARM cpu name[21:20]<zgreg> ARM11 implements the ARMv6 instruction set, though[21:20]<spm_Draget> _av500_: Oops, ofcourse. Stupid me, sorry :P[21:21]<_av500_> add CPU names like Apples A4 and A5 to the mix :)[21:21]* RAThomas (~chatzilla@r74-195-238-153.stl1cmta01.stwrok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:21]* PiBot sets mode +v RAThomas[21:21]<_av500_> or the chinese A10 and A13[21:21]<_av500_> A10 is cortex A8 which is armv7[21:21]<zgreg> well, it's the foundation's fault for choosing a CPU with an instruction set that is more or les deprecated and dropped everywhere at the moment ;p[21:21]<_av500_> zgreg: I bet it was cheap[21:21]<zgreg> of course[21:22]<zgreg> of course you can't really blame the foundation, they had to make some compromises[21:22]<SimonT> The ARMx vs instruction set always trips me up with Android too :/[21:22]* _av500_ blames Canada[21:23]<SimonT> I understand the difference, just similar names[21:23]<zgreg> but even a cortex-a7 would have been so much nicer than arm11[21:24]<zgreg> err, I mean cortex-a5[21:25]<mrdragons> They should have use a 6502. :P[21:25]<_av500_> or an ARM1[21:25]<zgreg> the a5 is a stripped-down ARMv7 cpu core. it's a bit quicker than ARM11.[21:26]* piney0 (~piney@pool-138-89-71-153.mad.east.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:27]<ssvb> zgreg: I'm not aware of anyone using cortex-a5, which means that it might be full of bugs because of not getting much testing in the real world[21:27]<ssvb> zgreg: and hardware bugs are not fun[21:28]<spm_Draget> qemu-system-arm -machine ? - I wonder which one comes closest to the rpi[21:28]<Hydrazine> how hard would it be to let the dma handle the spi transfer?[21:28]<Hexxeh> Raspbian hardfloat debian image here for anyone interested: http://distribution.hexxeh.net/raspbian/raspbian-r1.zip[21:28]<Hexxeh> be aware that not all packages are available yet[21:29]<spm_Draget> I have to check that out later[21:29]* Guest22405 (5ec56315@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.197.99.21) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:29]<Hexxeh> is it just me or do the forums break sometimes when you try to post a URL[21:29]* beej199 (~bengill@w-98.cust-11318.ip.static.uno.uk.net) Quit (Quit: beej199)[21:30]<RAThomas> Hexxeh: interesting. I saw in their kernel .config that hard FPU was disabled and wondered why[21:30]<RAThomas> just a matter of time to test, I suppose?[21:31]<flaushy> Hexxeh: wanna make a torrent of that?[21:31]<Hexxeh> i can setup a few mirrors if needed[21:31]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[21:31]<Hexxeh> i'm not a fan of torrents[21:31]<danieldaniel> I'm back, and I'm depressed[21:31]<flaushy> and thx :)[21:32]<TopherBrink> i'll give it a try shortly[21:32]<zgreg> ssvb: it's a relatively new core design[21:32]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:32]<spm_Draget> Does hardwaresupported flaot need kernelsupport? So for hardfloat to work, I need it in the kernel *and* every software compiled for it?[21:32]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[21:32]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder_[21:32]<plugwash> afaict kernel support is not needed[21:32]<plugwash> though i'm not positive on that[21:33]<plugwash> certainly people have been successfully running our armhf image without any obvious problems on the foundation's kernel[21:33]* RAThomas wonders how much "math" the kernel needs to do, anyway[21:33]<zgreg> ssvb: and a popular qualcomm SoC uses it, it's in a couple of cheap android phones[21:34]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:34]<mjr> Hmh. One would think the kernel had to store the FPU state during context switches at least. Though that _might_ be arranged with a transparent "store all registers in stack" instruction, _maybe_.[21:34]* Syliss_ (~Syliss@64.134.230.82) Quit (Quit: Syliss_)[21:34]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[21:34]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder[21:34]<ssvb> zgreg: ok, thanks, that's good to know[21:35]<ssvb> zgreg: still cortex-a8 or cortex-a9 would have been a better choice in my opinion :)[21:35]* spm_Draget wonders what the problem with some 'hybrid' solution would be then - running a plain armel debian and adding some custom repository that holds armhf supported packages of all useful/tested software o.o[21:35]<zgreg> ssvb: yes, but they need more die space :)[21:35]<zgreg> spm_Draget: that simply doesn't work[21:35]<friggle> spm_Draget: it would need armhf packages for all deps of any program you wanted to run[21:35]<zgreg> spm_Draget: armhf is like a separate architecture[21:35]<friggle> spm_Draget: it would be a chroot, like running an i386 chroot on amd64[21:36]<spm_Draget> Hmm, okay.[21:36]* datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)[21:36]<danieldaniel> How many resistors would I need if I were to attach a bunch of LEDs together?[21:36]<danieldaniel> Would I only need one at one end?[21:36]<danieldaniel> Or would I need one for each one?[21:37]<plugwash> To get the full benefit from the hardware FPU you need to pass parameters in floating point registers, otherwise you have a significant overhead from shunting values arround between integer registers and floating point registers.[21:37]<spm_Draget> As a gentoo user, I am way to spoiled in terms if arch-dependencies??? since it is just a line in my general make.conf to switch xD[21:37]<_av500_> spm_Draget: soft vs hard is independent of the kernel[21:37]<_av500_> the kernel has to store integer and float registers anyway[21:37]<_av500_> its a pure userspace thing[21:37]<plugwash> and passing parameters in floating point registers means a new C abi and hence from the perspective of most distros a new port. Debian call this port armhf[21:38]<flaushy> spm_Draget: and if you see your pi compile for the first time, you are sure to love prebuild binaries ;)[21:38]<spm_Draget> Thanks everyone for all the infos, that helped me alot! I'll try to see how far I come with my toolchain and how deep I can jump into rpi dev :P[21:38]<Hexxeh> i've got gentoo on a sd card for pi somewhere[21:38]<_av500_> plugwash: btw, the "significant" part has yet to be proved[21:38]<plugwash> unfortunately the standard debian armhf is built for a higher CPU/FPU than the Pi has, hence where rasbian comes ine[21:38]<Hexxeh> but it's not a pleasant experience by any means[21:38]<flaushy> ruby + rails took good 6+ hrs compile time[21:38]<dmsuse> danieldaniel: there is a circuit maker thing i recently downloaded, might be useful for you :P[21:38]<spm_Draget> flaushy: I have gentoo on my 'electronics testing laptop' with a p3, 400mhz and 256 ram. Woot xD[21:38]<danieldaniel> dmsuse: where?[21:39]<dmsuse> danieldaniel: its called circuit maker.. i found it on piratebay :P[21:39]<flaushy> spm_Draget: apt-get is already a pain because of the sdcard ...[21:39]<zgreg> please keep in mind that hardfp is not a magic bullet. most software largely depends on integer performance, and the benefits of hardfp for float code heavily depend on the software[21:39]<dmsuse> danieldaniel: sorry, circuit wizard[21:39]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:39]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[21:39]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder_[21:39]<zgreg> for some code, harfdp doesn't offer much benefit[21:39]<_av500_> zgreg: the fact that hardfp fpr debian also means moving from amrv5 to armv7 has mislead many[21:39]<zgreg> and you can easily tune code to work around harfdp shortcomings[21:40]<spm_Draget> flaushy: Oh, is it? I thought once the to-me-unkown-arm-bootmagic loaded the kernel, it transparently mounts it as the rootfs and aptitude does not even know it is on a sd? o.o[21:40]<zgreg> err, softfp shortcomings, of course[21:40]<flaushy> spm_Draget: yes... and if your download is too fast, it gets stopped by sdcard writes :/[21:40]<_av500_> so now a lot is attributed to "hf" that is in fact "lets not use ancient armv5"[21:40]<zgreg> yeah[21:40]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) has joined #raspberrypi[21:40]* PiBot sets mode +v Soul_Est[21:40]<spm_Draget> flaushy: Oh, you mean performance![21:41]<plugwash> _av500_, umm debian armel is armv4t[21:41]<_av500_> evne worse[21:41]<flaushy> spm_Draget: so ram gets full, and all of the sudden sdcard reduces speed because it cant write stuff away fast enough, then you extract it... etc pp[21:41]<_av500_> even[21:41]<ssvb> zgreg: not so easy to workaround if it is a part of API, and I think some parts of Qt were affected[21:41]<spm_Draget> Once I get my things set up I'l lexperiment with btrfs+compression root, ramz and such to make the rpi fly :P[21:41]<flaushy> spm_Draget: would be great :)[21:42]<zgreg> ssvb: is floating-point performance important for Qt?[21:42]<zgreg> I really doubt that[21:42]<_av500_> nope[21:42]<zgreg> if you're doing some numbercrunching you have full control over the code and you can inline as you wish, circumventing softfp[21:42]* piney0 (~piney@pool-138-89-71-153.mad.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:42]* PiBot sets mode +v piney0[21:43]<friggle> zgreg: I think they saw a decent jump when moving from mfloat-abi=soft to mfloat-abi=softfp.[21:43]<zgreg> friggle: err,sure[21:43]<friggle> zgreg: don't know if they've even tried a hardfp build[21:43]<zgreg> friggle: the former does not use the FPU :)[21:43]<friggle> for the pi[21:43]<friggle> zgreg: I know :)[21:43]<ssvb> zgreg: qreal is used in some places[21:44]<ssvb> zgreg: and it is easier to change to a more sane ABI than hunting for many minor performance savings all over the place :)[21:44]<zgreg> well, minor performance savings all over the place aren't really interesting anyway[21:44]<ssvb> zgreg: if you get them for free, then why not?[21:44]<zgreg> hardfp definitely is nice, but it's not a magic bullet, and it's possible to live without it[21:45]<ReggieUK> depends where those performance savings are though[21:45]<zgreg> yeah sure, but it's not a game-changer[21:45]<ReggieUK> some software will benefit I'm sure[21:45]<ssvb> zgreg: so is thumb2, so what?[21:45]<friggle> I think the real question is hardfp vs soft ABI + vfp[21:45]<ssvb> zgreg: whouls we avoid it too?[21:45]<zgreg> but some people like to think hardfp will transform their trabant into a f1 car[21:45]<ssvb> *should[21:45]<friggle> because there's significant extra cost in moving to a different ABI[21:46]<friggle> in the Debian case at least, not so much for the OpenEmbedded folks[21:46]<ReggieUK> what do you mean trabant[21:46]<ReggieUK> skoda[21:46]<ReggieUK> with the original foot pedal[21:46]<zgreg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trabant_601_Mulhouse_FRA_001.JPG[21:46]<flaushy> ReggieUK: GDR car[21:47]<ReggieUK> not the flash stuff they do now they can afford adverts[21:47]<ssvb> friggle: if somebody has a serious issues switching ABI, then their build system is really broken[21:47]<zgreg> ssvb: nope, but it's a lot of work and there's more important things to tackle probably[21:48]<TopherBrink> well that hardfp debian img booted for me, keyboard not working though[21:48]<zgreg> ssvb: and the fact that critical parts of software can be made to work-around softfp is also important[21:48]<Hexxeh> TopherBrink: what happens?[21:48]<Hexxeh> TopherBrink: what kind of keyboard also?[21:48]<ssvb> zgreg: lots of work, which has been already done by now[21:48]<TopherBrink> stuck at login[21:48]<TopherBrink> er logitech mk 300[21:48]<Hexxeh> TopherBrink: it probably assumes a qwerty uk keyboard[21:49]<TopherBrink> thats what i have[21:49]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[21:49]<Hexxeh> TopherBrink: it worked with a cheap usb one i had, didn't test any further sorry[21:49]<Hexxeh> try another one if you have one handy[21:49]<Hexxeh> damn this minimal image is fast at booting up[21:49]<TopherBrink> will do[21:49]<TopherBrink> the deb one sure is[21:50]<plugwash> ssvb, we know[21:51]<plugwash> bootstrapping a new debian architecture is a MASSIVE PITA, there has been some talk of fixing this but because it is so rarely done it's difficult to get anyone motivated to work on improving it[21:51]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi[21:51]* PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory[21:52]<plugwash> so the only sane way to make an armhf for Pi port is to work downwards from the existing armhf port. This is easier than trying to bootstrap from scratch but it's still a pain (working downwards always requires more care than working upwards).[21:53]<spm_Draget> Sad =( I mean if the toolchain once works, compiling the kernel and basesystem should be not that difficult[21:54]* raynerd (~raynerd@host86-150-7-194.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:54]* PiBot sets mode +v raynerd[21:54]<Davespice> woohoo I made the home page of the R-Pi website with my transport tycoon build (not I've bigged up Hexxeh's version though) =)[21:55]<Davespice> note*[21:55]<Hexxeh> Davespice: grats :)[21:55]<Davespice> cheers[21:56]* Guest22638 (~Matthew@cpc3-farn4-0-0-cust594.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[21:56]<raynerd> Hi guys, can someone please explain, why according to the media is the raspberry pi going to introduce coding to young people?? I`m a noob when it comes to the pi but from the tutorials I`ve read, OK you need to compile your linux bootup SD but then once on, you still need to install a compiler and actively want to learn to code which you could do on any computer. Just a genuine question![21:56]<TopherBrink> Hexxeh is the deb img still pi/raspberry for login?[21:56]<Hexxeh> root/hexxeh[21:57]<TopherBrink> k that explains it ;)[21:57]<Hexxeh> oh, i thought your keyboard wasn't working at all[21:57]<TopherBrink> i have a craptastic second keyboard that is[21:57]<Hydrazine> lolwut[21:57]<Hexxeh> just apt-get install openssh-server and have done with it :)[21:57]<TopherBrink> stupid roll up one[21:57]<Hexxeh> that's what i'm doing[21:57]<lee> raynerd: you do at the moment, people are working on essentially an educational distro and course materials[21:58]<plugwash> spm_Draget, the core problem is that debian was always built to be natively compiled, there has been some attempts to add cross compiling support but it's never really been fully supported[21:58]<TopherBrink> i think i will heh[21:58]<des2> raynerd the theory is kids don't have enough access to computers[21:58]* Aruneh (~mimi@93.164.101.178) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[21:59]<raynerd> lee: you see I teach at a school (science not IT) and I just don`t quite see how this is going to make people get into coding. The option to learn coding is available on any OS ...[21:59]<des2> And this will provide one for them to play with.[21:59]<RAThomas> danieldaniel: one resistor per LED if they're in parallel. One per string if they're in series[21:59]<raynerd> des2 - so basically it is just giving more students access to a computer.... and not win-dose![21:59]<des2> This theory has yet to be proven, as you need a mouse, keyboard and monitor to go with your PI[21:59]<raynerd> des2 - but the monitor can be a TV right?[22:00]<RAThomas> but then variations in the LEDs may cause some to be brighter than others... if one burns out, the whole string is out[22:00]<spm_Draget> raynerd: And the theory is also, that many computer systems are not preconfigured with some nice buildchaint / tools to compile code etc.[22:00]<des2> Yes the PI will work with TVs[22:00]<RITRedbeard> <des2> raynerd the theory is kids don't have enough access to computers[22:00]<RITRedbeard> <des2> raynerd the theory is kids don't have enough access to porn[22:00]<RITRedbeard> correction[22:00]<[TH]exfileme> this isn't the release you're looking for. Pretend this first wave is an SDK to prepare devs for the retail launch ;)[22:00]* Forca (~hendricks@209-254-225-82.ip.mcleodusa.net) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[22:01]* EiNSTeiN_ (~einstein@unaffiliated/einstein/x-615171) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:01]<RAThomas> [TH]exfileme: OK, then I'll pretend I got mine already[22:01]* bugzy (~bugzy@adsl-99-125-70-181.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:01]<des2> Having grown up originally using a TV to program on I will say avoid this if at all possible.[22:01]* JeremyF (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) has joined #raspberrypi[22:01]* PiBot sets mode +v JeremyF[22:01]<raynerd> mine is apparently being delivered this week... nothing yet :([22:02]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) has joined #raspberrypi[22:02]* PiBot sets mode +v smw[22:03]* EiN_ (~einstein@216.252.65.167) has joined #raspberrypi[22:03]* PiBot sets mode +v EiN_[22:03]<des2> Only time will tell if the Pi turns out to be another Arduino or fades into obscurity.[22:03]* JeremyF (ad4c9a32@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.154.50) Quit (Client Quit)[22:04]<RITRedbeard> how many pis shipped + shipping at present?[22:04]<raynerd> des2 - if it turned out to be an Arduino - what that be considered a success[22:04]<RITRedbeard> no[22:04]<des2> Yes I think so raynerd.[22:04]<raynerd> ohh.[22:05]<RITRedbeard> arduino is prototyping[22:05]<hotwings> [13:00:09] <des2> Having grown up originally using a TV to program on I will say avoid this if at all possible. <-- i had a commodore 1702 monitor :)[22:05]<TopherBrink> i think the order figures lean toward success[22:05]<RITRedbeard> i don't mean to be harsh[22:05]* esotera_ (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[22:05]* PiBot sets mode +v esotera_[22:06]<des2> Well at the end of June there should be 100,000 out there.[22:06]<raynerd> did anyone else get the email from farnell saying theres was being delivered week commencing 28th April?[22:06]<raynerd> theirs**[22:06]<TopherBrink> wiki rpi kernel compile tutorial for ubuntu fails from the first line, heh[22:07]<flaushy> i think rpi is a success[22:07]<TopherBrink> gcc-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabi not found[22:07]<TopherBrink> ./amused[22:07]<des2> Dude let Ubunbtu go....[22:07]* esotera (~jamie@94-193-222-75.zone7.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:07]<flaushy> as it is one of the few open source hardware projects to become real[22:07]<des2> It's not open source hardware.[22:07]<TopherBrink> i decline.[22:07]<flaushy> uh sorry[22:08]<des2> Which is a flaw.[22:08]<zgreg> open source hardware isn't even a clearly defined term[22:08]<des2> And one of the reasons for Arduino's success.[22:08]<flaushy> yet it is not really osh i agree[22:08]<flaushy> but they did a good job to become real[22:08]<flaushy> compared to most other projects that failed on the way[22:08]<des2> Even the internel software on the PI is a secret.[22:08]<zgreg> maybe the pi will become open source hardware, but I doubt that would do anything[22:09]<zgreg> you cannot simply buy those SoCs[22:09]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[22:09]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[22:09]<des2> At $35 the Pi occupies a unique price/size/computing power/power consumption point.[22:10]<raynerd> what are you guys using for a power supply...?[22:10]<zgreg> potatos[22:10]<raynerd> what just linking the patatoes together?[22:10]<mjr> potatoes![22:10]<TopherBrink> a star[22:10]<zgreg> yeah, missed the e[22:10]<mozzwald> Hexxeh: image works good here. thx[22:10]<des2> You're confusing the PI with the Ti 430 which can be powered by lemons...[22:10]<raynerd> how many tattys do you need?[22:10]<mjr> anyway, I was thinking of using electrons[22:11]<raynerd> and what electrodes?[22:11]<IT_Sean> I've been using electrons.[22:11]<IT_Sean> electrons, single file[22:11]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: cool :)[22:11]<des2> You should try protons they have more energy. Just reverse the polarity.[22:11]<IT_Sean> stored on a wool sock stretched over a balloon[22:12]<TopherBrink> i just use static[22:12]<TopherBrink> cheap and easy to generate[22:12]<raynerd> what just hold the pi at arms lengths whilest wearing a nylon tie and rubbing your sockets on a sheep skin rug?[22:12]<IT_Sean> Actually, i have one of those circuits that coverts RF to electricty, and a really huuuuge antenna :p[22:12]<mjr> I was thinking about using positrons but those have issues[22:12]<des2> Just keep them away from the electrons and you should be fine.[22:12]<IT_Sean> we are horrible.[22:13]<IT_Sean> raynerd: The recommendation is to use a well regulated USB wallwart[22:13]<Matt> have you tried hamsters?[22:13]<TopherBrink> i set up this cosmic ray collector... didnt work after plugging the keyboard though, ethernet would just drop[22:13]<raynerd> yes... I`ll ask again, those that are not using potatoes or static, what are you using for power?[22:13]<IT_Sean> I told you[22:13]<Hydrazine> Matt: works perfectly as long as you keep them well fed[22:13]<IT_Sean> a well regulated USB wallwart[22:13]<raynerd> ok[22:13]<TopherBrink> kindle plug for me.[22:13]<mjr> seriously speaking, I've got an old openmoko USB wallwart with microusb adapter[22:13]<des2> Producing at least 700ma[22:13]* Conic_ (dillon@c-75-69-38-59.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:13]<mjr> though I've no Pi to jack into it yet[22:14]<IT_Sean> Aye, it has to putput at minimum of 100ma[22:14]<IT_Sean> *output[22:14]<_av500_> raynerd: since you teach at a school, you must know there are no PCs at all for kids to learn coding, no?[22:14]<raynerd> _av500_ in what way no PCs?[22:14]<mozzwald> Hexxeh: does the kernel provided have latest patches? (usb kernel panic)[22:14]* jthunder_ (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:14]* jthunder (~jthunder@174.3.126.51) has joined #raspberrypi[22:14]* PiBot sets mode +v jthunder[22:14]<raynerd> and I think the issue is that the kids can`t be arsed when they can plug in their xbox and """ it just works""[22:14]<_av500_> raynerd: in the way that its claimed that r-pi will give kids access to PCs[22:15]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: kernel is from the debian 19th image, so no sorry[22:15]<_av500_> which must mean they dont have PCs[22:15]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: i was going to build the image with rpi-update, but git isn't available yet[22:15]<_av500_> (my conclusion)[22:15]<Hexxeh> mozzwald: if you build git from source and install readelf, you can use rpi-update to get the latest kernel[22:15]<raynerd> _av500, I work in a state school but it is a good school and I would say that the vast vast majority of students have a PC to use at home.[22:15]<des2> Used Pentium IV 3gbs PCs sell for about the same as an RPI.[22:15]<_av500_> raynerd: I did not assume otherwise[22:16]<_av500_> and they could learn to program on their ipads...[22:16]<dmsuse> i duno, if all kids get it and a way of sharing the things they make comes up, i can imagine small games or animations of kids making fun of teachers would be fun[22:16]<raynerd> _av500 - so I don`t understand your point!?[22:16]<mozzwald> Hexxeh: ok[22:16]<_av500_> raynerd: it was a lame attempt of a joke[22:16]<raynerd> ohhhh lol[22:16]<_av500_> oh well[22:16]<raynerd> so you were in a way agreeing with me?[22:17]<_av500_> yes :)[22:17]<raynerd> OK, sorry about that miss communication. Sarcasm isn`t easy to pick up via text![22:17]<des2> I don't really buy the don't have access to a PC to learn programming on argument as much as they don't have a reason to learn programming.[22:17]<_av500_> its all we have on irc :)[22:17]<_av500_> des2: xactly[22:18]<raynerd> When I boot up in linux and they see it start on my projector I sometimes get a few questions asked but none of them really take it on. That being said, I`ve got a small group of 6 students that come and programme arduino boards with me at lunch so I`m hoping to move to Pi`s with them when they are easily available[22:19]<_av500_> depending on what the kids are after, staying with arduino might even be better[22:19]<_av500_> but as a step up, of course[22:19]<raynerd> des2 - I 100% agree.... they don`t need to because there console works from the box!! I`m quite young but had to at least write some lines in DOS to get Duke Nukem 3d to play![22:19]<des2> Many people are seeing the Pi as a suped up Arduino[22:19]<flaushy> it is, linux + gpios :)[22:20]<RAThomas> IT_Sean: I got a 5V, 1A USB wallwart from Wal*Mart today, under 6 bucks[22:20]<_av500_> des2: I see that already fail a lot with the beagle bone[22:20]<des2> But the problem is the Pi doesn't have a real-time kernel.[22:20]<_av500_> "why cantI get an IRQ hooked on a GPIO...arf linux"[22:20]<_av500_> "twas so easy on arduino..."[22:21]<zgreg> yeah, the pi is practically useless for hard real-time applications[22:21]<RAThomas> des2: depends on what kinda RT you're looking for. I used to use the PREEMPT_RT patchset, now all the stuff I need has been mainlined[22:21]<zgreg> but really, this was completely expected[22:21]<zgreg> a real-time kernel can't really fix it, either[22:21]<raynerd> other than cnc, what is another real-time application of substance?[22:21]<zgreg> raynerd: robotics, for instance[22:22]<raynerd> ahh...good one![22:22]<_av500_> nobody prevents you from running a small RT "kernel" alongside with linux[22:22]<_av500_> put a timer to the FIQ and hook your RT stuff there[22:22]<flaushy> drops :)[22:22]<raynerd> I built a small cnc machine and all the chaps on the linuxcnc/emc2 go on about the benefits of a real time kernal and I must admit, I`m not really with it![22:23]<des2> We'll have to see what interface boards for the PI people come up with.[22:23]<zgreg> _av500_: yes, but my point is you can't simply write a normal user-mode application if you have somewhat strict timing requirements[22:23]<des2> The gertboard is a bit expensive.[22:23]<RAThomas> A friend of mine used a 2.6.x where x <= 18 kernel to control his CNC plasma cutter. Don't know if he used the RT patch or not[22:24]<_av500_> zgreg: true[22:24]<zgreg> IMHO a reasonable solution is to use a small 8-bit MCU for low-level real-time tasks[22:24]<flaushy> did you see the one from adafruit des2?[22:24]<plugwash> raynerd, I think a lot depends on the particular machine. If the machine takes position information and is operating fairly slowly there is probablly no need for the controller to be real-time because the machine can just wait for the next instruction[22:24]<zgreg> you have complete control over everything, and you can easily get very very low jitter below 1 us[22:25]<flaushy> https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/04/26/announcing-the-adafruit-prototyping-pi-plate-kit-for-raspberry-pi/[22:25]<plugwash> OTOH if your machine takes motor speed as it's input then you need a setup that can gaurantee to respond in time or you risk ruining the workpeice[22:25]<des2> Is there a price for it flaushy ?[22:25]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[22:25]<flaushy> nope :([22:26]<flaushy> but the "addon stuff" is already made, which is nice[22:26]<zgreg> I think the gertboard is a bit too much, really[22:26]<flaushy> pricewise?[22:26]<zgreg> yes[22:27]<flaushy> how much does he want?[22:27]<zgreg> no idea, but it includes quite a lot of stuff[22:27]<zgreg> so it's probably not cheap[22:28]<flaushy> ok[22:28]<flaushy> gone for some more homework[22:28]<zgreg> IMHO gert should have scrapped those LEDs and relay drivers[22:29]<dmsuse> the gertboard rawkz, i wouldn't even be bothering with the pi if not for the gertboard :D[22:29]<gregrob> I thought the GERTboard design is meant to be used in a modular way. That is while it can support many things you do not have to buy it fully populated.[22:29]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi[22:29]* PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory[22:29]<des2> What's the shipping status on the Gertboard ?[22:29]* IT_Sean (~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[22:30]<zgreg> gregrob: no idea[22:30]<zgreg> the PCB is pretty big nonetheless[22:31]<gregrob> From comments section on RaspberyPi.org under one of the Gertboard annoucements: "Gert will only be selling the unpopulated boards, leaving the user to get the components they require.for their project. The user will not need to get components they don???t need so if they don???t need the microcontroller they don???t need to buy it."[22:31]<zgreg> something like the adafruit prototyping plate with an MCU installed would have been perfect, I think[22:32]* Stavros-Wig- (021a925c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.26.146.92) has joined #raspberrypi[22:32]* PiBot sets mode +v Stavros-Wig-[22:32]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[22:32]<des2> oh I didn't realize it was just bare boards now.[22:33]* Stavros-Wig- (021a925c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.26.146.92) Quit (Client Quit)[22:33]<gregrob> Another quote from gert himself: The motor driver is rather expensive as it can do 48V @ 4A. But you can build the board without.[22:33]<gregrob> From comments it looks like an assembled board may also be an option[22:34]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:34]* prebz (~prebz@c83-248-137-170.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[22:34]* PiBot sets mode +v prebz[22:35]<plugwash> I wonder what will happen with the gertboard, it was originally designed for the Pi to sit on top but that isn't very practical now the Pi is shipping with top mounted GPIO headers[22:35]* BeholdMyGlory (~behold@d83-183-64-117.cust.tele2.se) has joined #raspberrypi[22:35]* PiBot sets mode +v BeholdMyGlory[22:36]* RITRedbeard__ (~RITReadbe@129.21.104.88) has joined #raspberrypi[22:36]* PiBot sets mode +v RITRedbeard__[22:37]<Gadget-Mac> No reason you can't mount the pi upside down[22:37]<gregrob> Quote from liz, "I think that even if Gert doesn???t make populated versions available, there should be enough people putting them together and selling them on eBay etc. that you???ll be able to get one ??? and it???s a nice way for a student, say, or an enthusiastic kid to make a bit of extra money."[22:40]* RITRedbeard (~RITReadbe@t410.student.rit.edu) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:44]<ecto2> http://www.instructables.com/id/Pi-within-a-Pie/[22:44]<ecto2> yo dog i heard you liked pi's[22:45]<Hydrazine> o.0[22:45]<ecto2> so you can pi while you pi[22:45]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:46]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002128249044.mbb.telenor.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[22:46]* PiBot sets mode +v lars_t_h[22:46]* Donnetje (55970011@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.0.17) has joined #raspberrypi[22:46]* PiBot sets mode +v Donnetje[22:47]<Donnetje> Hi there[22:48]* Compy (~Compy@128.192.112.158) Quit ()[22:49]<Donnetje> I was just wondering, is there anyone else here who has received an e-mail from RS in march in which you could enter your address etc. and hasn't heard from them ever since?[22:49]<Donnetje> Except for the status updates of course.[22:49]* Turingi (~devon@79.112.58.211) has joined #raspberrypi[22:49]* PiBot sets mode +v Turingi[22:49]* Turingi (~devon@79.112.58.211) Quit (Changing host)[22:49]* Turingi (~devon@unaffiliated/devon-hillard/x-7250961) has joined #raspberrypi[22:49]* PiBot sets mode +v Turingi[22:49]<huene> i didnt receive any mail besides the status updates[22:50]<huene> still waiting to place my order[22:50]<Donnetje> "Congratulations! We???re contacting you to let you know that we're shortly going to invite you to place your order for a Raspberry Pi. We now need to get a few more details to tell us where you want your Pi delivered to. This will help us get a Raspberry Pi to you as quickly as possible."[22:50]<Donnetje> I got that like 2 months ago[22:50]<Donnetje> Still didn't get the mail for the actual order of the Pi.[22:51]* [TNM]Roban (~Roban_A@90-227-25-142-no68.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[22:52]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:52]* PiBot sets mode +v mikey_w[22:52]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56d9.bb.sky.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:52]* mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:52]* PiBot sets mode +v mike_[22:53]* mike_ is now known as Guest97191[22:53]<jaxdahl> Great News! Your Raspberry Pi is on its way + take 15% OFF your next web order.[22:53]<jaxdahl> whoo[22:53]<Hydrazine> nice[22:54]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28717.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[22:54]<jaxdahl> "beginning the week of June 18th"[22:54]<mrdragons> Sorry, I bought about 10,000 pis, that might be holding up the orders a bit[22:57]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56d9.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:57]* PiBot sets mode +v ReggieUK[22:57]<acfrazier> We're excited to inform you that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of June 18th. We will have your firm delivery date, after manufacturer confirmations are made, on Newark.com[22:57]<acfrazier> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee[22:58]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) has joined #raspberrypi[22:58]* PiBot sets mode +v beardface[22:58]<beardface> stupid element14 bastards[22:58]<beardface> I got an e-mail that said, "Great News! Your Raspberry Pi is on its way"[22:58]<beardface> in contents: "We're excited to inform you that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of June 18th."[22:59]<acfrazier> beardface, yeah same[22:59]<acfrazier> I got excited[22:59]<acfrazier> and then[22:59]<beardface> They picked the wrong subject for the email[22:59]<acfrazier> "FUCK YOU"[22:59]<beardface> i was stoked[22:59]<beardface> Those Bastards[22:59]<Hydrazine> ouch[22:59]<beardface> I ordered on March 1st[22:59]<Matt> well it probably is on its way[22:59]<Matt> it's just not on the final leg from them to you :)[23:00]* Conic (dillon@c-75-69-38-59.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:00]* PiBot sets mode +v Conic[23:00]<beardface> its 2 months away.. :([23:00]<plugwash> unless it really takes months for a board to go through the production line I doubt it exists yet[23:00]<acfrazier> try 6 weeks[23:00]<acfrazier> it's may now.[23:00]<beardface> it feels like 2 months[23:00]<beardface> The August date wasn't far off[23:01]<beardface> i bet i'll get it in July[23:01]<beardface> Ugh this blows[23:01]<beardface> oh well, back to forgetting about it[23:01]<RITRedbeard__> damn[23:01]<RITRedbeard__> past my birthday[23:01]<RITRedbeard__> see[23:01]<RITRedbeard__> took a year[23:01]* RITRedbeard__ is now known as RITRedbeard[23:01]<RITRedbeard> took a year + some months[23:01]<RITRedbeard> 6 I think?[23:02]<acfrazier> beardface, same[23:02]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@unaffiliated/hopsy) has joined #raspberrypi[23:02]* PiBot sets mode +v Hopsy[23:02]<beardface> back to staring at my model... :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/846109/raspberry_pi_painted.png[23:02]<beardface> (yes, I know it isn't as purty)[23:03]<mrdragons> You're a modern-day picasa[23:03]<Donnetje> It's not as purty.[23:03]<acfrazier> you actually bought one of those plastic things[23:03]<acfrazier> lol[23:03]<beardface> I made them[23:03]<AdrianG> what the hell is that[23:03]<beardface> on my 3d printer[23:03]<acfrazier> oh so /you're/ the guy selling them on eBay?[23:04]* robjohnc (~rob@host86-168-79-121.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:04]* PiBot sets mode +v robjohnc[23:04]<beardface> Yes[23:04]<beardface> lol[23:04]<beardface> they are pretty neat[23:04]<beardface> one sec, ill send another pic[23:04]<Donnetje> You have a RepRap? :)[23:04]<acfrazier> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-TURNKEY-8GB-Monitor-KB-Mouse-Case-USB-Hub-Ethernet-Switch-/251046688922?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a738c789a#ht_1804wt_883[23:04]<acfrazier> I thought presales were banned[23:04]<acfrazier> lol[23:04]<zgreg> oh, great[23:05]<zgreg> so I can simply sell raspberry pi *models*[23:05]<zgreg> similar to those box sells, that just sell the retail box of a GPU or whatever :)[23:05]* xInterlopeR777x (~inter|log@199.27.158.68) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[23:05]<flaushy> originalverpackung ^^[23:05]<flaushy> i should have sold my powerbook case[23:06]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has left #raspberrypi[23:06]<Hexxeh> just realised that raspbian image is missing modules, lol, whoops[23:06]<Hexxeh> i'll fix that now[23:06]<beardface> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ji6_9sQlBeE/T1rI5jeQGXI/AAAAAAAAGMw/2gGXq2EP-xc/s945/20120309_212101.jpg[23:06]<beardface> Donnetje: Yes[23:06]<beardface> LOVE REPRAP[23:06]<beardface> I stopped selling them on ebay b/c they are way too much work[23:06]<beardface> they wold pretty well[23:06]<beardface> but painting them is a bitch[23:06]<beardface> s/wold/sold[23:06]<Donnetje> RepRap <3[23:07]<flaushy> hmm that reminds me to poke my reprap guys :)[23:07]<beardface> zgreg: its nothing like that, not sure what you're talking about[23:07]<Ben64> "Your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of June 18th"[23:07]<beardface> Ben64: yeah, BS right? "Good News! Your Raspberry Pi is On its way!"[23:08]<Ben64> yep[23:08]<beardface> those dicks![23:08]<Ben64> on its way != in a month[23:08]<Ben64> and a half[23:08]<mrdragons> How dare they give status updates.[23:08]<Ben64> the email says "on its way"[23:08]<Ben64> factually incorrect[23:08]<beardface> mrdragons: its not the status update i'm complaining about[23:08]<des2> It's on it's was on a slow boat from china.[23:09]<beardface> it is the misleading subject of the status update[23:09]<Ben64> ordered feb 29th, will receive maybe by the end of june?[23:09]<Ben64> so... 4 months from order to receive[23:09]<flaushy> Ben64: right, because many others ordered too[23:09]* jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:10]<flaushy> other option would have been a "sorry, sold out" sign after 30 seconds[23:10]<Ben64> the problem is that they sold them before they existed[23:10]<mrdragons> I'm really getting tired of people whining about it. It's like ya, we know it's taking forever. Although, there isn't much else to talk about, so meh[23:11]<acfrazier> beardface, so, you'd print me a case? :P[23:11]<flaushy> i am quite impressed on the speed they seem to be able to deliver them soon[23:11]<acfrazier> well, when you have an order for a million units in people tend to get off their butt[23:11]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8-dev)[23:12]<beardface> acfrazier: if you design it, i can print it[23:12]<beardface> (as long as its printable)[23:12]<acfrazier> I assume you can print 3D design files[23:12]<beardface> Yes, sketchup modles work fine[23:12]<Ben64> what are the limitations ?[23:12]<beardface> i can export to STL[23:13]<beardface> minimize overhangs, otherwise, design in removable support[23:13]<beardface> flat base's print best[23:13]<Ben64> i want to have a pi case that has no ventilation[23:13]<RITRedbeard> put it in your oven?[23:14]<flaushy> yeah i love the cnet spot about rpi :)[23:14]<flaushy> "you can buy it in large orders"[23:14]<Ben64> nah just want to keep it behind the tv for the most part[23:14]<Ben64> would avoid it getting dusty[23:14]<RITRedbeard> pi shouldn't need ventilation[23:15]<Ben64> it doesn't[23:15]<zgreg> beardface: j/k of course[23:15]<beardface> np[23:15]<Ben64> most cases do have some speed holes though[23:15]<beardface> I've designed one case, but am holding off offering it up until I test fit it with a real pi[23:15]<beardface> it does fit my model perfectly though. :)[23:15]<Donnetje> Well it does need to get rid of its heat in some way[23:15]<acfrazier> https://github.com/xamarin/XobotOS[23:15]<flaushy> i am currently careful to say anything about heat and pi :P[23:16]<acfrazier> someone actually ported android to C#[23:16]<Ben64> Donnetje: not really[23:16]<acfrazier> like, the whole thing[23:16]<acfrazier> wow[23:16]<flaushy> but maybe you can use an alloy plate as top cover[23:16]<beardface> gtg adios[23:16]<zgreg> acfrazier: huh?[23:16]<zgreg> acfrazier: that would be crazy, and one word, why? :D[23:17]<Donnetje> Ben64: It does produce heat so yes.[23:17]<Ben64> raspberry pi doesn't produce much heat at all, and works fine in very hot conditions, so no[23:17]* beardface (a7cebd06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.189.6) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[23:17]<flaushy> uh read the readme ;)[23:17]<flaushy> semi automatic port[23:17]<flaushy> but cool[23:18]<Hexxeh> who downloaded the raspbian image i posted earlier?[23:18]<Hydrazine> I did[23:18]<Hydrazine> Do you want it back? :P[23:18]<Hexxeh> you and anybody else who did, mind downloading a new version in a few minutes?[23:18]<Hydrazine> updates?[23:18]<flaushy> i did[23:18]<Hexxeh> yeah, few improvements[23:18]<flaushy> sure, i can test tomorrow the earliest[23:18]<Hexxeh> again, only 88MB[23:19]<Hexxeh> few MB larger i'm afraid :P[23:19]<flaushy> sounds great[23:19]<Hexxeh> but new kernel with the high IO kernel panic fix and usb boot support[23:19]<Hydrazine> nice[23:19]<Hexxeh> and all the VC libs/sdk[23:19]<Ben64> "We have run them a prolonged time at 80 degr. Celsius in an oven with no problems."[23:19]<Hexxeh> Ben64: where's that from?[23:19]<Ben64> Gert[23:19]* Tomtiger11 (~tomtiger1@91.85.220.26) has joined #raspberrypi[23:19]* PiBot sets mode +v Tomtiger11[23:20]<mkopack> Just FINALLY got something from Element 14- "We're excited to inform you that your Raspberry Pi will be delivered in an upcoming shipment beginning the week of May 29th."[23:20]<Ben64> mkopack: i hate you[23:20]<Donnetje> Ben64: That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying it needs to get rid of its heat in some way. If it didn't, it would only become hotter and hotter.[23:20]<flaushy> mkopack: cool :)[23:20]<mkopack> DON'T[23:21]<Ben64> Donnetje: it won't be in a vacuum sealed container[23:21]* jzaw (~jzaw@loki.dzki.co.uk) Quit (Quit: really? must I leave? aw pls let me stay!)[23:21]<mkopack> If you read that closely??? It means that it's going to be fulfilled from An UPCOMING shipment ON or AFTER May 29??? i.e.: no firm ship date yet.. but it won't be before the 29th of May[23:21]* jzaw (~jzaw@loki.dzki.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[23:21]* PiBot sets mode +v jzaw[23:21]<Ben64> theres no way a raspberry pi would get up to 80C by itself from room temperature[23:22]* sekanS (~Mojak@86.126.13.101) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7)[23:22]<Donnetje> Not in a room, no.[23:22]<des2> In my newly designed asbestos case it might.[23:23]<RITRedbeard> !g define TDP[23:23]<PiBot> RITRedbeard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power - "Thermal design power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"[23:23]<mkopack> So, I'm basically still out in the cold waiting for a date[23:23]<RITRedbeard> VOLTAGE PROPORTIONAL TO THE SQUARE[23:23]<RITRedbeard> yep[23:23]<RITRedbeard> I was thinking about ordering yesterday[23:23]<RITRedbeard> since I will get it[23:23]* KenT (~KenT@jksthompson.plus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:23]* PiBot sets mode +v KenT[23:23]<RITRedbeard> but only eventually[23:24]* ukscone (~Russell@cpe-68-173-234-162.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]* PiBot sets mode +v ukscone[23:24]* Soul_Est (~nolanhayn@70.40.183.106) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]* PiBot sets mode +v Soul_Est[23:25]<OneFix_Work> I just received an email from Newark with an updated ship date.[23:25]<Donnetje> I didn't order with Farnell because I was expecting RS Online to actually send me an e-mail to order my Pi, now they're just registering interest again.[23:25]<Hydrazine> wait, PiBot does more than giving people voice o.0[23:25]<RITRedbeard> I'm kind of sad[23:25]<SpeedEvil> Hydrazine: It also gives happy endings.[23:26]<RITRedbeard> because apart of the release of this thing is getting ports[23:26]<Hydrazine> xD[23:26]<RITRedbeard> and making stuff work on it[23:26]<OneFix_Work> The bad thing is they are saying it's not going to be until the 29th[23:26]<RITRedbeard> and being all communal[23:26]<RITRedbeard> by the time most of us get it they will have like[23:26]<RITRedbeard> everything[23:26]* sekanS (~Mojak@188.26.56.242) has joined #raspberrypi[23:26]* PiBot sets mode +v sekanS[23:29]<OneFix_Work> I wonder how long it will be until the rPis one ebay start going for under $35 :)[23:29]<dmsuse> i doubt they ever will[23:29]<dmsuse> you have me to bid against you :P[23:30]<OneFix_Work> dmsuse: Nah, "used" rPis will begin going for less than that once supply reaches demand[23:30]<TopherBrink> is it the SC number on the pi that is the serial[23:30]<des2> Why would you bid more than $35 if you could get them for $35 at your local store ?[23:30]<flaushy> "works perfectly, only soldered once"[23:30]<OneFix_Work> des2: Exactly[23:30]<acfrazier> well, the code I had planned to port already runs on armv5tl[23:30]<acfrazier> so it'll work[23:30]<des2> Radio Shack is even selling Arduinos now.[23:31]<dmsuse> OneFix_Work: thats a loooooooong way off :P[23:31]<acfrazier> des2, I forgot about that :P[23:31]<RITRedbeard> has anyone looked into other SoCs?[23:31]<acfrazier> the Allwinner A10 is a promising SoC[23:31]<des2> They'll be caught up with the 100,000 at the end of June.[23:31]* spm_Draget (~quassel@ip-176-199-108-67.unitymediagroup.de) has left #raspberrypi[23:31]<des2> And they apparently can produce 10,000/week or so.[23:31]<dmsuse> 100k ?[23:31]<dmsuse> its at 250k now ?[23:31]<Donnetje> No RadioShack in The Netherlands T_T[23:32]<des2> Maybe the local hash bar will be selling them then...[23:32]<flaushy> but not to foreigners if legislation goes on like this :/[23:32]<Donnetje> Nah I saw a prostitute with a Pi yesterday[23:33]<OneFix_Work> des2: Word is that 12,000 have been sent out this week and an additional 12,000 (the first of the production units) will be shipped in 2 weeks. Then every week after that, there will be 12,000 units.[23:33]<des2> In the Red Pi district ?[23:34]<RITRedbeard> or I mean like[23:34]<RITRedbeard> solutions[23:34]<RITRedbeard> Single board computers[23:34]<des2> You can now get the latest Intel atom board on ebay for $82.[23:35]<RITRedbeard> yeah but it doesn't have great power consumption[23:35]<RITRedbeard> it is lousy[23:35]<des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-BOXD2700DC-Desktop-Board-D2700DC-Innovation-Series-motherboard-mi-/251038355683[23:35]<des2> 13 watts isn't bad.[23:36]<RITRedbeard> 13W + north bridge[23:36]<RITRedbeard> + sb[23:36]<RITRedbeard> + everything else[23:36]* raynerd (~raynerd@host86-150-7-194.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[23:36]<_av500_> RITRedbeard: it consumes great amounts of power[23:36]<_av500_> thats great consumption...[23:36]<des2> NMy D510M0 consumes 12 watts at the wall outlet.[23:36]* SphericalCow (user@2a01:7e00::13:dbcd) has joined #raspberrypi[23:36]* PiBot sets mode +v SphericalCow[23:37]* Gallomimia (~Gallo@S0106602ad08026fc.ca.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Gallomimia)[23:37]<acfrazier> Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements for this site.[23:37]<acfrazier> To continue, please resolve the following issue(s):[23:37]<acfrazier> The Browser you are currently using is not supported under this platform.[23:37]<acfrazier> I'm using Chrome on Linux.[23:37]* SphericalCow (user@2a01:7e00::13:dbcd) Quit (Changing host)[23:37]* SphericalCow (user@unaffiliated/sphericalcow) has joined #raspberrypi[23:37]* PiBot sets mode +v SphericalCow[23:37]<acfrazier> do they really want to make me spoof my damn useragent because they're to anal to support anything other than Windows/Mac OS X[23:37]<des2> The ebay lonk ?[23:38]<acfrazier> no, a hiring websit[23:38]<acfrazier> e[23:38]<Ben64> change your user agent[23:38]<_av500_> on hiring sites, the only accepted browser is MS Word[23:38]<des2> Yes they probably need you to spoof your agent[23:38]<_av500_> RITRedbeard: and 800mhz arm11 vs dualcore 2.13ghz atom is not comparing apples to apples[23:39]* Donnetje (55970011@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.0.17) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:39]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[23:39]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj1993) has joined #raspberrypi[23:39]* PiBot sets mode +v kcj[23:40]<Hexxeh> anyone know if there's a list of changes made to the debian image after it was boostrapped anywhere?[23:41]<RITRedbeard> _av500_, yeah, true[23:42]<RITRedbeard> if anyone was interested in doing LCD kits, this is reasonable[23:42]<RITRedbeard> http://store.earthlcd.com/LCD-Kits[23:42]<flaushy> omg :)[23:42]<RITRedbeard> unless we get HDMI to LVDS soon[23:43]* robjohnc (~rob@host86-168-79-121.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[23:43]<flaushy> a kid moddeling a rpi case, took another base "it says it is copyrighted, but it is not!"[23:45]<_av500_> http://iprl.wz.cz/[23:45]<_av500_> oops[23:45]<acfrazier> has to be checking something else[23:45]<acfrazier> because I can spoof my useragent to anything[23:45]<acfrazier> and it still throws an error[23:45]<_av500_> still, awesome[23:47]<OneFix_Work> Have people received updates from Allied Electric yet?[23:47]<acfrazier> given that Allied was so late in the game you're probably bottom of the pole[23:48]<OneFix_Work> acfrazier: Well, I have orders from both Newark and Allied ... and my Allied order was supposed to be shipped out on April 30th[23:49]<OneFix_Work> acfrazier: This came from a manager at Allied about 2 weeks ago...[23:50]* KenT (~KenT@jksthompson.plus.com) has left #raspberrypi[23:54]* Compy (~Compy@c-98-251-52-68.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:54]* PiBot sets mode +v Compy[23:55]<Hexxeh> has anyone actually managed to run the vc libs/binaries on hardfp yet?[23:55]<Hexxeh> having trouble running any of the binaries[23:56]<Hexxeh> this isn't right, is it? /lib/ld-linux.so.3 => /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 (0x400ee000)[23:56]<acfrazier> Hexxeh, I'd be willing to wager like 98% of the people here don't have a pi[23:57]<flaushy> hmm you might be right[23:57]<flaushy> at least Hexxeh and i do have pis, i bet some others as well[23:57]<Hexxeh> quite a number of folks in here do have them[23:59]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[23:59]* PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean[23:59]<TopherBrink> and we look down on those who dont[23:59]<TopherBrink> ...subtly.[23:59]<TopherBrink> maybe.