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08:08 < ICE-B> hi
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09:42 < korrosa> [TRAC] Ticket closed http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/936#comment:2 "some change in maptool makes rivers disappear"
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10:40 < CIA-70> martin-s * r4781 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/ (4 files): Fix:graphics_qt_qpainter:Fixed a few compatibility bugs
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13:05 < dandor> cp15 ping
13:19 dandor, pong
13:20 < dandor> hi cp15
13:21 < dandor> i have a question about transform_distance_line_sq() and the mg projection
13:22 < dandor> what is the unit of the value that is returned by transform_distance_line_sq when it is called for mg coords?
13:22 Roughly square meters
13:23 < dandor> and how accurate is the result?
13:23 On the equator quite exact, on middle lattitudes the error is around 70%
13:24 You have to use transform_scale to compensate for this
13:24 < dandor> and is there a way to compensate this error somehow?
13:24 But be aware that transform_scale is extremely expensive
13:25 What do you want to do?
13:25 < dandor> i am working on #905
13:27 Since the lattitude doesn't change much over normal routes you can calculate the scale for some arbitrary point on the route and use that
13:27 < dandor> maybe it won't be problemmatic, I need to calculate a min distance from a poly line a few times in a minute
13:27 The error will be < 10%
13:28 < dandor> good idea
13:29 < dandor> i simply give an y coordinate of an mg coord to transform_scale and it gives the scale back?
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13:31 < dandor> ah now I see the usage in function transform_distance()
13:33 < dandor> thanks for the help cp15
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13:53 < AlexWien> Hi!
13:53 < AlexWien> cp15 or wogelinde online?
13:55 < AlexWien> or anybody else who knows how to iterate the route path to get a list of points forming the poly line of the route path?
14:08 < dandor> hi AlexWien
14:09 < dandor> i think there is no interface for iterating the route path from outside of route.c
14:10 < dandor> you can find the route path in the route_path segments array structure of the route_path structure
14:12 < dandor> you will find the coords at route_path. path.coord
14:13 < AlexWien> like that?
14:13 < AlexWien> struct route_path_segment *cur;
14:13 < dandor> route path can have several route segments and a route segment can have several coords
14:13 < AlexWien> cur = this_->path2->path;
14:13 < AlexWien> while (cur) {
14:13 < AlexWien> for (i=0; i < (cur->ncoords-1); i++) {
14:13 < AlexWien> (cur->c + i + 1)->x;
14:13 < AlexWien> (cur->c + i + 1)->y;
14:13 < AlexWien> }
14:13 < AlexWien> cur = cur->next;
14:13 < AlexWien> }
14:15 < dandor> yes something like that
14:16 < dandor> maybe you don't need the + 1
14:16 < dandor> in lines (cur->c + i + 1)->x; and (cur->c + i + 1)->x;
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14:16 < AlexWien> yes the +1 is supsect
14:17 < AlexWien> i took it from route.c
14:17 < AlexWien> i liked to ask why +1
14:17 < dandor> but i'm not so familiar with that part
14:17 < dandor> maybe it is needed
14:18 < AlexWien> i simply try both, one should work
14:18 < AlexWien> thanks
14:18 < AlexWien> I leave now
14:19 < AlexWien> for some strange reason i cannot work with eclipse while online (laptio via hotspot on iphone)
14:19 < dandor> the +1 is needed where you copied from
14:19 < dandor> since that calculates a distance
14:20 < dandor> between the nth and n+1 th coord
14:20 < AlexWien> from route.c; eclispe is now blocked, so i cannot look which function exactly; Its a function wich itertaes the path until a specific distance is reached
14:20 < AlexWien> a ok
14:21 < AlexWien> so to simply itertae , i dont need the +1
14:21 < dandor> yep
14:21 < AlexWien> its pointer + i
14:21 < AlexWien> the ith point
14:21 < dandor> yes
14:21 < AlexWien> thanks
14:22 < dandor> cheers!
14:22 < AlexWien> where are you from dandor?
14:22 < dandor> Hunragy
14:22 < AlexWien> I´m from vienna
14:22 < dandor> Hungary
14:22 < dandor> i suspected from your name :)
14:22 < AlexWien> yeah simple
14:22 < AlexWien> to spot
14:23 < dandor> can I ask you what are you working on?
14:23 < AlexWien> I work om a research project on a navit variant which allows to introduce an external calculated route (energy efficient route)
14:24 < AlexWien> provided by a server
14:24 < dandor> good stuff
14:25 < dandor> woglinde has plans to modularize the routing engine too
14:25 < AlexWien> yes he told me
14:25 < dandor> maybe your work can be fitted to this
14:26 < AlexWien> he gives good support, too and cp15 of course
14:26 < AlexWien> the route is calculated external on a remote server
14:26 < AlexWien> i introduced only a tcp/ip socket connection, becvause dbus does not work on mingw32 navit
14:27 < AlexWien> to export start / dest request, and to reimport the external route
14:27 < dandor> if no networking is needed you may try the python interface
14:27 < AlexWien> it alreday works
14:28 < AlexWien> it was not difficult, as long as win socket are not mixed up with bsd so ckets ;-)
14:28 < AlexWien> wogelinde also thought about introducing a json based socket connection
14:29 < dandor> just recommended the python interface since it already exists in navit
14:29 < AlexWien> this would be a good possibility too, i thought to use json, too; but a csv string was only one line of code
14:29 < dandor> however i never tried myself
14:29 < AlexWien> python to java seems to much work
14:29 < dandor> i see
14:30 < AlexWien> talked with wogelinde about that topic too,
14:30 < AlexWien> much thanks i continue now, to iterate over the path....
14:30 < AlexWien> bye
14:31 < dandor> ok , bye
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14:53 < korrosa> If anyone wants car insurance, skinnier tummies or larger dicks, people are falling over themselves to tell us about it on the wiki.
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16:29 < Guest47513> hi. Is routing for Navit through a database or via reading raw map files from disk and create a graph for shortest path finding?
16:30 < Number6> Mapfiles
16:30 < Number6> The route given is the "best" route, as determined by Dijkstra's algorithm
16:31 < Number6> This can, however, be changed to shortest possible path in the navit.xml file
16:32 < Guest47513> Then Navit has to read an large amount of map files from disk if I'm routing from say Germany to China?
16:32 < Guest47513> Wouldn't that be slow and consume so much memory for the client machine Navit sits on, since there is no server.
16:33 < Number6> The whole point of Navit as an offline navigation program, is that you do not need an internet connection in order to route
16:33 < Number6> Would you really need to be able to drive between Germany and China?
16:34 < Number6> I can drive from Ireland to Italy on my iPhone, with Navit
16:36 < Guest47513> Even from Ireland to Italy, I assume Navit doesn't read the highest resolution map tiles the two countries occupy. It would calculate routing using much lower resolution tiles?
16:36 < Guest47513> I mean, Italy's Navit file is 300 megs I recall
16:38 < Number6> It doesn't need to load all roads into memory at once, and Navit will find the best possible route for you. It takes a minute or two, from Ireland to Italy, but it works
16:38 < Number6> I use Western Europe mapset, which is 3.5GB big
16:43 < Guest47513> The minute or two is spent on reading this 3.5GB file, extract out Italy, Ireland, and anything in between to create a graph using Dijkstra's?
16:43 < Guest47513> I meant "to create a graph where Dijkstra's algorithm is used"
16:44 < Number6> It's to read the file while computing the route / computing the route
16:47 < Number6> Is there a particular reason for the questions about routing?
16:48 < Guest47513> sounds like Dijkstra's has been adapted to operate on the graph as it is being populated from data on disk. So as soon as the entire Italy, Ireland data set has been read from disk to memory, an ideal path is already calcualted.
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16:50 < Guest47513> I am curious and impressed by Navit. I'm trying to understand how does the Italy dataset (358megs) not to mention Ireland's can fit into iPhone's 256 meg memory
16:52 < CIA-70> martin-s * r4783 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/ (graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp graphics_qt_qpainter.h): Add:graphics_qt_qpainter:Enable -qws switch optionally
16:53 < Number6> Guest47513: You don't need to load in the entire mapfile
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16:53 < Number6> The map is broken up into tiles, and only the tile you're in and some nearby tiles are loaded into memory
16:54 < Number6> When you go to compute the route, it does use up a fair bit more memory (naturally) but you're still able to compute a good, long route :-)
16:56 < Guest47513> Does that mean only the tiles intersecting a straight line from your location and desired destination is loaded into memory
17:05 < Number6> No, it can read extra tiles as it generates the route
17:05 < Number6> Say if there is a motorway direct to your destination, in another tile, it will read that tile and go down the route
17:08 Guest47513, from some distance of destination and postion only important roads are considered
17:08 < Guest47513> But you don't know if there exists a motorway to your destination in any adjacent tile unless you search them all.
17:09 < Guest47513> ah, so a heuristic of relying on major and important roads
17:15 < Guest47513> For Navit's binary format, each 'Item' is described by a list of 2D coordinates. Doesn't this mean for any road that crosses another road, the 2D coordinate of the intersection point is in both roads' list of 2D coordinates?
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17:17 < xxanonymousxx> where i found the config-xml from navit on an android ?
17:27 < korrosa> xxanonymousxx: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#navit.xml
17:29 < xxanonymousxx> i read this
17:29 < xxanonymousxx> but this file not exist
17:31 < korrosa> xxanonymousxx: Do you have root access on your Android phone?
17:34 < Guest47513> I will be back after lunch
17:35 < Guest47513> Need to know more about binary format
17:35 < xxanonymousxx> korrosa, yes - i reinstalled this
17:36 < korrosa> xxanonymousxx: Did you install Navit from the market or through an apk?
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17:40 < xxanonymousxx> market
17:41 < korrosa> What you can do is download the apk, extract it (it's just a zip file) and go into res/raw/ and extract the most suitable navit.xml for your device there. Copy that and rename it to /sdcard/navit/navit.xml.
17:41 < korrosa> You can download the apk from: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Android#Install_nigthly_development_verions_of_Navit_from_the_Website_.28no_root_required.29_.5Bless_recommended.5D
17:42 < korrosa> Which navit.xml is best for you I'm not sure as I don't have an Android device. Trial and error is probably the best way...
17:45 < xxanonymousxx> thx korrosa
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18:27 < fasta> How do I configure that I am a pedestrian in navit 0.20?
18:27 < fasta> I see a white cross in front of it currently and I see no way of changing it.
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18:31 < korrosa> fasta: Click it.
18:31 < korrosa> Don't be put off if the tick doesn't change from car - that's a bug. If you click it, exit the menu then re-enter the menu you'll see it's been selected.
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18:37 < fasta> korrosa: thanks
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18:55 < fasta> Is there also a release for the n900?
19:02 < korrosa> Yes. Hold on....
19:04 < korrosa> fasta: There is a user called "rd" who builds for n900.
19:06 < korrosa> Actually, I think woglinde, who is usually in this room also builds for the n900
19:07 < korrosa> This is him: http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=NavIt&fldAuto=1189&faq=38
19:08 < korrosa> Or if you can build for yourself, see the last bit on http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_on_Scratchbox_for_N8x0
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19:59 < Rikky> hi everybody
20:01 < korrosa> Hi Rikky.
20:01 < korrosa> I don't have any new trac reports for you this time!
20:02 < Rikky> hi korrosa
20:02 < Rikky> the probably a very good message :-)
20:02 < Rikky> the=that is
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20:02 < korrosa> Rikky: I hope so!
20:02 < hexlotar_> Hello
20:03 < korrosa> Rikky: I think OSD "scale" still doesn't work well - the text doesn't seem to be displayed on Androids.
20:03 < korrosa> Hi hexlotar_
20:03 < hexlotar_> Could someone help me with understanding navit code&
20:04 < Rikky> korrosa: which text is not displayed?
20:04 < hexlotar_> I want write plugin which will display triffic on the roads
20:05 < hexlotar_> But cant understand navit code&
20:05 < korrosa> Rikky: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/File:Korrosa_osd_navigating.png
20:05 < korrosa> Inbetween the + and - on the right-hand side.
20:06 < korrosa> hexlotar_: cp15 is the project lead, so is the best one to speak to. He's not always watching this screen though...
20:07 < hexlotar_> and is such feature present in Navit now?
20:10 < Rikky> korrosa: nice layout. is this for a big screen (tablet) or just scaled really bad?
20:13 < Rikky> ich dachte es wär ein entwickler, könnte theoretisch auch der project owner gewesen sein
20:13 < panda81> what are Navit map files named like s10___________
20:14 < Rikky> dammit, wrong chat window again
20:16 < korrosa> hexlotar_: I think the mechanism for traffic is in Navit already, but only internally,
20:16 < korrosa> Rikky: Thanks. For a netbook.
20:18 < Rikky> korrosa: and which text is not displayed on android?
20:18 < korrosa> The "200m" on top of the scale line, apparently. I don't have an Android myself - there have just been a few reports.
20:19 < korrosa> Rikky: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/166#comment:5
20:19 < korrosa> panda81: Where'd the map come from?
20:22 < panda81> It's from osm_bbox_-122.5,37.8,-122.5,37.8.bin. Usually according to the file format, map files are named like adcdbcda______, with only letters a,b,c,d
20:23 < korrosa> panda81: Where did you get this map from called s10________ ?
20:24 < panda81> I got it from http://maps.navit-project.org/api/map/?bbox=6.52587890625,36.38671875,18.96240234375,47.197265625
20:25 < Rikky> korrosa: ah a osd item called scale and not a problem with scaling osd items. Have never used it. I'll look into it
20:25 < korrosa> Rikky: Sorry, I'll be more clear in future!
20:26 < panda81> korrosa: those map files are on the wiki page: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OpenStreetMap
20:26 < korrosa> panda81: When you use that link you get a file with the bounding box in the name. That's the way it's always been. I'm not sure what you mean with s10_______
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20:30 < panda81> korrosa: Yes that link allow me to download a .bin file, which is really a zip file. Inside of this file there are hundreds of files
20:30 < panda81> korrosa: Among those hundreds, names such as adccadbc______ follow the specifications given at http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit%27s_binary_map_driver
20:32 < panda81> korrosa: but those are also names such as bs0___________, s16___________, bcdcbdcs0_____ that don't follow the spec.
20:32 < korrosa> Oh, you've gone deeper. Speak to cp15!
20:33 < panda81> cp15 has no contact info
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20:39 < korrosa> panda81: http://www.navit-project.org/?page=contact . You're welcome :)
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20:42 < panda81> korrosa: ah thanks. I was at http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Contacts
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21:23 < Rikky> korrosa: ping
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21:26 < korrosa> Rikky, pong
21:28 < Rikky> korrosa: the colors in osd_core.c are wrong, should I fix it, or do you think it will break other devices?
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22:03 < Mineque> HI korrosa
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22:27 < CIA-70> rikky * r4784 /trunk/navit/navit/osd/core/osd_core.c: Fix:osd/core:Set the right colors for the osd "scale" item
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22:32 < Rikky> korrosa: could you test the "scale" change please?
22:45 < korrosa> Sorry I haven't been replying. I'll test the change on my netbook now...
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22:55 < korrosa> Rikky: Well, the change hasn't broken the scale item for me on Linux, which is good. I haven't got an Android device to test the change though - should this have fixed the problem? If so, can you leave a comment on http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/166? Cheers!
22:56 < korrosa> Night all!
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