This doesn't bother me at all since I don't walk around with open carry or sling a rifle on my shoulder. These OC guys are ruining it for the majority of us who are concealed carry folks. All these establishments are not posting NO GUNS they're simply ASKING you to not bring guns in to their restaurants. Do you blame 'em?? Someone with a rifle slung around his shoulder scares the heck out of people!!! If there isn't a NO GUNS sign I carry concealed, if there's a NO GUN sign I don't go in and usually tell the mgr. why.

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What Rye and the others have said. The individuals in the Chipotles photo last week did more harm than good for the rights of gun owners. Just because something is legal does not mean it is necessarily a good idea.

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Interests:My wife and grand kids and my kids. Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some.

Didn't say they were bad. But some really hurt our cause. The idiots get the publicity and we have to do damage control.

But if these establishment want to say No Open Carry please and don't have a problem with concealed carry then I have no problem with them.

Never said I had a problem with the companies - just the attitude with the CC guys on the rights of OC guys and the whining of 'They ruin for all us' thing. Again - I support OC as defined and exhibited in the link I provided.

We need to support gun rights across the board and educate the public.

Anyway - this subject has come up so often it's become ad nauseam. have fun

Now with that said I won't be carrying my AR anywhere 'on public streets, restaurants, coffee shops, or whatever' ...I may however carry while participating in large 2nd Amendment rally - but that's just me and what I feel would be responsible and respectful whilst exercising my right.

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Special note, I do not know if this information can be applied to other states.

In Florida, we do not have OC and there are certain places where concealed carry is prohibited by state and Federal law. Chili's, Sonic, malls, movie complexes and the like are not among them.

Even though a establishment may have signs posted that declare "No Firearms or Weapons Allowed", the worst that can happen is that they will call law enforcement and trespass you. Of course you would have to somehow expose your firearm for them to know. If that did happen and they ask you to leave.......you leave right away with no arguement or hesitation.........otherwise it is armed trespass.

I personally don't care if there is a sign posted at a business, what they can't see can't hurt them. The only reason most have signs of this nature is the mistaken belief that they will not get sued in the event someone is forced to protect themselves against a forcible felony. It's just like all those cameras everywhere, they're not there for YOUR protection, they're there for the establishment's own protection against lawsuits and employee/customer theft.

I open carry when it is hot or when I am in and out of my vehicle repeatedly. I don't see any reason to put on a coat or jacket every time I get out of my vehicle, particularly when it's a hundred degrees in the shade! In my home state we have a carry permit. It does not differentiate between open and concealed. I've carried legally for over twenty years since the permits were first issued and I carried concealed only for nearly twenty years before that because certain municipalities had oppressive carry laws. In all of that time, NO ONE has seemed put off by my open carry, and quite often folks will offer an "Attaboy!" to their interaction with me.

At one time my employer required that I carry during business hours and to and from work because of the area where we were located and because I was responsible for large amounts of cash. The city had strict laws agains concealed carry and required a special permit to carry at all, but law enforcement turned a blind eye to businessmen and other legitimate interests that had to protect themselves. Thank God those days are gone!!

I figure if they're not waving a gun around and threatening people then they are doing no harm, and those who take exception or are offended by them for it need to learn to tend to their own knitting. If I don't support their rights openly and evenly, why should I expect anyone to support my rights? We shouldn't denigrate or ridicule anyone who stands up for our 2A rights so long as they don't break the law in doing so. We should also push and pound our legislatures and city and county councils and such to have those restrictions rescinded!!

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States have different laws regarding concealed and open carry. Here in Nevada it is illegal to carry in a place that serves liquor. Chili's would be one and so no carry no matter what anyone thinks. I would check your local CCW laws. It's more than a a Trespass violation.

GOA (and many other pro-firearm groups) support legal open carry when - as already suggested - is responsible and respectful.

per the article you posted:

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights.

As I was saying...

...and instead of 'staying n the closet' with firearms we need to be activists and work at changing public perception...part of that is outlined in responsible and respectful public gatherings such as organized 2nd Amendment marches put on by respected pro-2nd Amendment groups...guns in public CAN be a good thing.

I open carry when it is hot or when I am in and out of my vehicle repeatedly. I don't see any reason to put on a coat or jacket every time I get out of my vehicle, particularly when it's a hundred degrees in the shade! In my home state we have a carry permit. It does not differentiate between open and concealed. I've carried legally for over twenty years since the permits were first issued and I carried concealed only for nearly twenty years before that because certain municipalities had oppressive carry laws. In all of that time, NO ONE has seemed put off by my open carry, and quite often folks will offer an "Attaboy!" to their interaction with me.

At one time my employer required that I carry during business hours and to and from work because of the area where we were located and because I was responsible for large amounts of cash. The city had strict laws agains concealed carry and required a special permit to carry at all, but law enforcement turned a blind eye to businessmen and other legitimate interests that had to protect themselves. Thank God those days are gone!!

I figure if they're not waving a gun around and threatening people then they are doing no harm, and those who take exception or are offended by them for it need to learn to tend to their own knitting. If I don't support their rights openly and evenly, why should I expect anyone to support my rights? We shouldn't denigrate or ridicule anyone who stands up for our 2A rights so long as they don't break the law in doing so. We should also push and pound our legislatures and city and county councils and such to have those restrictions rescinded!!

"Because they aren't used to seeing people carrying guns! They think anyone with a gun is going to just spray bullets all around them!"

"Uh...if they never see people peacefully and safely exercising their 2nd Amendment civil rights, then how will they ever get used to it?"

Short term it may hurt, especially with the press and internet making a big stink about it. But long term, as people see that 99 7/8% of gun owners don't fit the Hollywood and press stereotype, I think they help.

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Does my heart good to see I'm not the only one supportive of these OC people.

This isn't the first time I've disagreed with the NRA and I'm sure it won't be the last. They don't like to pick fights they're not 100% positive they can win. I try not to hold that against them.

I'd also like to point out that the writer of the NRA article seems to either be misinformed or is deliberately mis-characterizing the OC activists. Well, either that or everything I'm hearing about how polite and considerate they're being is wrong. When they're getting permission for everything they do ahead of time and are prepared to leave as soon as they are asked to by the people in charge, that can hardly be called 'acting without thinking' or 'lack of manners'.

Does my heart good to see I'm not the only one supportive of these OC people. This isn't the first time I've disagreed with the NRA and I'm sure it won't be the last. They don't like to pick fights they're not 100% positive they can win. I try not to hold that against them. I'd also like to point out that the writer of the NRA article seems to either be misinformed or is deliberately mis-characterizing the OC activists. Well, either that or everything I'm hearing about how polite and considerate they're being is wrong. When they're getting permission for everything they do ahead of time and are prepared to leave as soon as they are asked to by the people in charge, that can hardly be called 'acting without thinking' or 'lack of manners'.

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For those of you who think that the open carry crowd is not hurting the situation. Open Carry was legalhere in California untill the OC crowd, push OC to the point that the state outlawed open carry

On the other hand, if not for that open carry ban, the 9th circuit would not have struck down the San Diego interpretation, and by extension, the entire CA "might issue" law. Since the "might issue" law coupled with the ban on open carry amounted to an effective total ban on the right to bear arms in much of the state, and for a huge percentage of the population, the 9th found it the state violated our civil rights. So, as I said, in the long run, they help.

On the other hand, if not for that open carry ban, the 9th circuit would not have struck down the San Diego interpretation, and by extension, the entire CA "might issue" law. Since the "might issue" law coupled with the ban on open carry amounted to an effective total ban on the right to bear arms in much of the state, and for a huge percentage of the population, the 9th found it the state violated our civil rights. So, as I said, in the long run, they help.

is this the same one that Kamla Harris filed those illegal papers( what ever they are called) and the 9th circus court overturned itself ?? or did I just miss where they over turned what they had just overturned ???

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is this the same one that Kamla Harris filed those illegal papers( what ever they are called) and the 9th circus court overturned itself ?? or did I just miss where they over turned what they had just overturned ???

It hasn't reversed itself, but did put a stay on it pending an en banc hearing. Unless I missed something in the past month, anyway. In either case, Peruta will likely end up in SCOTUS. Still not a bad thing.