"Previous studies indicated existing, albeit limited, genetic-geographic population substructure in the Dutch population based on genome-wide data and a lack of this for mitochondrial SNP based data. Despite the aforementioned studies, Y-chromosomal SNP data from the Netherlands remain scarce and do not cover the territory of the Netherlands well enough to allow a reliable investigation of genetic-geographic population substructure. Here we provide the first substantial dataset of detailed spatial Y-chromosomal haplogroup information in 2085 males collected across the Netherlands and supplemented with previously published data from northern Belgium. We found Y-chromosomal evidence for genetic–geographic population substructure, and several Y-haplogroups demonstrating significant clinal frequency distributions in different directions. By means of prediction surface maps we could visualize (complex) distribution patterns of individual Y-haplogroups in detail. These results highlight the value of a micro-geographic approach and are of great use for forensic and epidemiological investigations and our understanding of the Dutch population history. Moreover, the previously noted absence of genetic-geographic population substructure in the Netherlands based on mitochondrial DNA in contrast to our Y-chromosome results, hints at different population histories for women and men in the Netherlands."
]]>Y-DNA HaplogroupsAngelahttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39189-Dutch-Y-dnaEuropean Citizenship to Nativeshttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39093-European-Citizenship-to-Natives?goto=newpost
Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:55:53 GMTI am a firm proponent of the idea of a European citizenship to Native Europeans (i.e. of "Y-DNA Haplogroup I" origin), which means that every country, even those currently outside of the EU (such as Norway), should be obliged to give a citizenship to us. I respect every good person's right to be in Europe if he is of another origin (e.g. Hg R, E, etc.), as long as he has good reasons to be here (such as due to birth, or having good reasons to migrate here). It is a tragedy that so many natives are forced to live in the confines of arbitrary borders, which are not based on actual ethnicity. For example, there is really no such thing as a "Hungarian" - except in the heart of a person. There is no Hungarian DNA. We do have ancestry markers, however, for one's true ethnicity, which would be haplogroups. Since every Haplogroup in Europe except "Hg I" originated elsewhere, and came through invasion, it is therefore not a morally sound act to pretend that Native Europeans (Hg I) and others should have all of the same privileges. Native Americans are also treated differently, such as having exemption from paying certain taxes, which is indeed the right thing to do, as it is their native land.

I hope that every ethnic/Native European will support this idea. Every people deserve their own homeland and the right to move freely within. But we should, naturally, also respect that there are other people who have lived here for thousands of years and should be allowed to do so, as well as individuals who have virtually no European ancestry, but deserve to come here because they have good intentions, morals, and backgrounds (education, no criminal record). Racism of any sort is unacceptable.

What does this forum think? Should European men of Haplogroup I be given a universal European citizenship? Let us hear.
]]>Y-DNA HaplogroupsMirhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39093-European-Citizenship-to-NativesIJ and I, how they evolvedhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39066-IJ-and-I-how-they-evolved?goto=newpost
Thu, 15 Aug 2019 08:10:00 GMTIt seems to be the consensus that I originated in Europe (all evidence points toward that), after it split from IJ, its father haplogroup. Since both I and J split from IJ, is it possible that when IJ split first, that it was into only J at first, and then later I in Europe?
In other words, when...It seems to be the consensus that I originated in Europe (all evidence points toward that), after it split from IJ, its father haplogroup. Since both I and J split from IJ, is it possible that when IJ split first, that it was into only J at first, and then later I in Europe?

In other words, when IJ split, it didn't necessarily split into I as well as J at the same time, correct? It was possible that it first split into J in the Middle East, but not I, but when carrier of IJ arrived in Europe, it then split into I as well, but not J?

Another thing: What samples do we have from Upper Paleolithic corpses of IJ in Europe? Do they predate I in Europe?

what is haplogroup of lenin? I don't find in the Internet.
]]>Y-DNA Haplogroupskmakhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39041-Haplogroup-of-revolutionary-leadersWhere in Europe I Originatedhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38985-Where-in-Europe-I-Originated?goto=newpost
Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:40:46 GMTWe all know that Y-DNA Haplogroup I originated in Europe, but we don't know exactly where. What is your take on this? I suppose somewhere north of the Black Sea, perhaps Ukraine!
]]>Y-DNA HaplogroupsMirhttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38985-Where-in-Europe-I-OriginatedBasque, Iberian, Etruscan, Rhaetian,... Y-DNA haplogrouphttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38963-Basque-Iberian-Etruscan-Rhaetian-Y-DNA-haplogroup?goto=newpost
Thu, 01 Aug 2019 07:52:23 GMTWe know from at least the 1st millennium BC these non-Indo-European people lived in different parts of Europe, what was the main haplogroup among them?We know from at least the 1st millennium BC these non-Indo-European people lived in different parts of Europe, what was the main haplogroup among them?
]]>Y-DNA HaplogroupsCyrushttps://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38963-Basque-Iberian-Etruscan-Rhaetian-Y-DNA-haplogroupUrnfield culture and R-Z93https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38953-Urnfield-culture-and-R-Z93?goto=newpost
Mon, 29 Jul 2019 01:48:54 GMTThis site https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/ shows that 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 belonged to people of Urnfield culture. I thought that this culture had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians. Does it make any sense? Could anyone enlighten me?This site https://phylogeographer.com/mygrations/ shows that 2-3 subclades of R-Z93 belonged to people of Urnfield culture. I thought that this culture had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians. Does it make any sense? Could anyone enlighten me?
]]>Y-DNA Haplogroupsxri34https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38953-Urnfield-culture-and-R-Z93