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Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

This whole arc narration seems a lot like HunterxHunter, I wonder who will narrate this in the anime, maybe Deku? Still I like that at the end Eri was able to save herself a little bit, it gives deep to the character aside from being a kid in danger, how she was willing to sacrifice herself for other in the previous chapters was also great.

And I hope that the girls still do something else, I mean, the combo was cool and all, but their fight never felt dangerous compared to the other ones and the author almost didnīt show anything of it. I liked how Toga manipulated the state of the fight with Overhaul though.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Yah, the action and jumping around in time is poorly paced. Make the fake deku show up before we knew were deku was, explain eri's deal, show the fight with the thug (even if I think that the dragon submission was enough to stop him if they already knew his quirk).

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by DestinyDogma

This whole arc narration seems a lot like HunterxHunter, I wonder who will narrate this in the anime, maybe Deku? Still I like that at the end Eri was able to save herself a little bit, it gives deep to the character aside from being a kid in danger, how she was willing to sacrifice herself for other in the previous chapters was also great.

And I hope that the girls still do something else, I mean, the combo was cool and all, but their fight never felt dangerous compared to the other ones and the author almost didnīt show anything of it. I liked how Toga manipulated the state of the fight with Overhaul though.

can't say i like the HxH style of narrative,since i'm more of a "show don't tell" kind of guy..but as of now, it hasn't yet reached the extremes of HxH..so it's fine

I suppose that since the girl can rewind powers too..she can probably rewind lemillion's powers back

i wonder though..what nighteye saw exactly? did he saw this future and something terrible will still happen,or he wasn't able to predict the interference of the league of villains? or maybe he just stopped looking before the interference happened?

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by TLC

Aside from the fake hope of the girls showing up and doing something being dashed, there's just something really wrong structurally when during an intense climax of a rescue arc, the author feels he has to shove in all this exposition to explain the motivations of the victim. This is stuff that should have been established beforehand so that the final scenes could be carried on with visuals and simple dialogue alone. Imagine if in Enies Lobby, Robin's whole backstory was shoved in just as she was saved by Franky.

He's been breaking action sequences like that a lot in this arc.

New healer joins the good guys then? She's like Orihime.

Originally Posted by Outerspec

Trying to understand Bleach is like trying to drink a bottle of bleach.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Maybe Hori doesnīt want the fans to get the wrong idea like lots of people did with Dekuīs 1 Million % Smash and thatīs why he is overexplaining things...

And I think that the Toga/Deku would have worked better if they showed us the girls fight some chapters before and a shadow figure appeared screaming Uraraka, we wouldnīt know who it was and it would have served as foreshadowing.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

I am a big fan of this style of HxH-like narration, so I really like Horikoshi is starting to use it (specially since he doesn't overdo it like Togashi). I'm all for it.

But that aside I agree the structure is off sometimes this arc. Going back in time to see how the girls got there seemed very important at first because it seemed like it was going to lead to something relevant happening, but no. The conclusion was just what we got in the last chapter and, with that, the whole scene ended up feeling like forced there because Horikoshi was trying to justify himself for keeping the girls absent this whole time.

Plus, if the scene was supposed to make up for their absence, it did a terrible job. Finding out the whole group was indeed just struggling against a single of the 8 Trash guys this whole time just because he got a power up - when Nejire alone should be easily enough to take care of him judging by her peers (Suneater defeated 3 on his own and Lemillion 2 - admittedly they were not powered up, but still) -, actually made them look bad.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by DestinyDogma

Maybe Hori doesnīt want the fans to get the wrong idea like lots of people did with Dekuīs 1 Million % Smash and thatīs why he is overexplaining things...

And I think that the Toga/Deku would have worked better if they showed us the girls fight some chapters before and a shadow figure appeared screaming Uraraka, we wouldnīt know who it was and it would have served as foreshadowing.

well the author it's at his very first true long running series,since before that all he has done are one shots or very short running series (don't know if they were designed to be short,or they got canceled), so it's early to know if he was doing this specifically for this arc or if he is just now having a bit more freedom from the usual shonen formula to express himself...especially since now the series is gaining traction in both japan and the US, and this might have gave him a bit more bartering power with his editor and the higher ups at jump.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

To be fair with the girls, they were fighting against a dude that grows stronger while making their opponents weaker, so itīs normal that in such scenario they couldnīt show her full power and struggled a little. Plague Baneīs power is similar to Banīs power from Nanatsu no Taizai, aside from the getting bigger part.

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This chapter was quite awkward to read. It was difficult to follow the action of where Chisaki was and who the real Deku was yelling at to protect Nighteye, although I assume it was the girls. I wasn't bothered with interpreting how out of place fake Deku was. I'm not sure why anybody else seems to be confused about that, I thought it was obviously Toga given the time placement. But if Toga can only transform into Deku for that single instance, that feels like a really underwhelming result of that twist. Where did Compress' clone even hide? Chisaki only got Toga and Twice, right? Unless Twice can summon clones wherever he is and not in proximity of the original. Which is even more overpowered. Twice and Toga trying to capture Eri by using their Quirks for deception would be much cooler.

If the girls couldn't get their own full fight in this arc, they never will unless they team-up with a guy or maybe fight against other females. I think we have enough evidence at this point to make that unfortunate assertion, so I'm just calling it here so I won't be disappointed. I really need to stop getting my hopes up for female representation in shonen, and I knew something was fishy ever since we never saw how Ochako and Tsuyu got their internship. I still remember giving Horikoshi praise for Ochako's fight against Bakugo in the Sports Festival even if she lost lol. And I just knew that "Bane's" Quirk wasn't super strength. We can't have pretty faces getting brutalized like what the guys endure after all. Although I suppose some credit can be given only for not making him similar to Rappa, I guess.

Huh? The villains just... dug their way out? When they're in a labyrinth and none of them have any Quirks relating to tunneling, permeability, or super strength? No shovels? Not even a prison spoon? ...Okay. And I thought that Twice said he could only make two copies, right? He made ones of Rappa and Toga earlier in the arc, but a copy of Compress is here. Unless that means he can make two copies of each different person, and even with the stamina decrease, that's still a bit overpowered for my taste when I think of the possibilities, assuming I am correct.

"Plus Chaos"? That totally needs to become the League of Villains' catchphrase. It's so wonderfully cheesy.

Eri's flashback almost came out of nowhere. So her Quirk is rewinding things like Josuke Higashikata's Crazy Diamond. That is cool. I was worried that Horikoshi would throw a random extra ability to reverse Quirk Factors, but this a premise that can work for proving Overhaul wrong. I guess. Still too convenient to reveal at the last minute right before she saves the day. That could have been hinted at more instead of only having Eri's Quirk modified into bullets that make her Quirk impossible to figure out aside from nullifying Quirks. But I will still take it. But wait... if she can reverse things then does that mean Mirio's getting his Quirk back? Boo, boo I say. Not a fan. Not at all. Although maybe Horikoshi will still have the Quirk erasure be permanent just because. I hope so.

Overall, the chapter was mediocre. I wouldn't exactly call it bad, but it was certainly disappointing on more than one front.

Last edited by Count Mario; October 13th, 2017 at 05:02 AM.

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Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by Count Mario

Unless Twice can summon clones wherever he is and not in proximity of the original. Which is even more overpowered. Twice and Toga trying to capture Eri by using their Quirks for deception would be much cooler.
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Huh? The villains just... dug their way out? When they're in a labyrinth and none of them have any Quirks relating to tunneling, permeability, or super strength? No shovels? Not even a prison spoon? ...Okay. And I thought that Twice said he could only make two copies, right? He made ones of Rappa and Toga earlier in the arc, but a copy of Compress is here. Unless that means he can make two copies of each different person, and even with the stamina decrease, that's still a bit overpowered for my taste when I think of the possibilities, assuming I am correct.

Twice can create clones at any point as long as he has the required data about the person he wants to clone. As you said, his limit is 2 clones at a time and he already had two before, so Compress' clone was made after that.

As for how they dug their way out, that's what Compress was for: he kept compressing parts of the ground... it worked as digging.

Originally Posted by Count Mario

If the girls couldn't get their own full fight in this arc, they never will unless they team-up with a guy or maybe fight against other females. I think we have enough evidence at this point to make that unfortunate assertion, so I'm just calling it here so I won't be disappointed. I really need to stop getting my hopes up for female representation in shonen, and I knew something was fishy ever since we never saw how Ochako and Tsuyu got their internship. I still remember giving Horikoshi praise for Ochako's fight against Bakugo in the Sports Festival even if she lost lol. And I just knew that "Bane's" Quirk wasn't super strength. We can't have pretty faces getting brutalized like what the guys endure after all. Although I suppose some credit can be given only for not making him similar to Rappa, I guess.

This is the conclusion I am so reluctantly getting. I so wanted this manga to not go that way, but sadly I agree with all you said. At this point it's very safe to assume this manga will be just another shonen when it comes to female representation. We may still got one or two scenes at some point later, like Sakura x Sasori, but that will be all.

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I'm confused as to what the expectations were for the girls. They crashed through the ceiling with Bane last week, all that was left is to explain how that happened. Not like anybody can touch Overhaul to begin with, Hori had to conjure up Eri's power for that alone.
The chapter definitively felt jumbled though, doesn't help that it's a slangstream translation, I'll reserve my judgement until VIZ is out. About Eri, I hope her power doesn't end up giving Mirio his powers back or healing Nighteye. Especially Nighteye, because I think his power is the biggest mistake Hori made and I want it gone.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by .access timeco.

Twice can create clones at any point as long as he has the required data about the person he wants to clone. As you said, his limit is 2 clones at a time and he already had two before, so Compress' clone was made after that.

Oh, I get it. That isn't as overpowered as I thought. But it bothers me in the sense of plot convenience though. Since what is stopping him from spawning Mr. Compress for cheap easy captures, or Shigaraki for single contact one touch kills, Dabi for giant fire bursts, or Blackmist for easy portal access (if Blackmist can even get measured accurately lol). It is much more exciting and engrossing for any arc that Twice is in to focus on him only being able to clone the chess pieces that are on his side, or maybe incapacitated enemies as well. Otherwise, his Quirk feels like it's used for quick plot convenient shortcuts we can never really predict from any actual build-up.

Maybe he cloned Toga-Deku before her transformation ended and he's lurking in the shadows as a contingency.

As for how they dug their way out, that's what Compress was for: he kept compressing parts of the ground... it worked as digging.

We both know how dumb that sounds whether it's true or not. Sure, he stored a piece of Shouto's ice, but-Actually, how much stuff can he store? If there is no limit, that's another overpowered ability, unless, he kept dumping pieces of the earth elsewhere before taking out more.

This is the conclusion I am so reluctantly getting. I so wanted this manga to not go that way, but sadly I agree with all you said. At this point it's very safe to assume this manga will be just another shonen when it comes to female representation. We may still got one or two scenes at some point later, like Sakura x Sasori, but that will be all.

What if Bakugo versus Ochako WAS the once in a lifetime Sakura and Chiyo versus Sasori fight of this series lol?

Originally Posted by Sheep

I'm confused as to what the expectations were for the girls. They crashed through the ceiling with Bane last week, all that was left is to explain how that happened. Not like anybody can touch Overhaul to begin with, Hori had to conjure up Eri's power for that alone.
The chapter definitively felt jumbled though, doesn't help that it's a slangstream translation, I'll reserve my judgement until VIZ is out. About Eri, I hope her power doesn't end up giving Mirio his powers back or healing Nighteye. Especially Nighteye, because I think his power is the biggest mistake Hori made and I want it gone.

They got their fight almost completely skipped, and the length we got in this chapter wasn't even a third as long as the fights we got for Sun Eater, Kirishima and Fatgum, Mirio, and Deku. Keep in mind that Lemillion and Sun Eater got their own flashbacks either in full or scattered snippets that made their relationship meaningful, while Nejire is a random high school classmate who became friends with them because their Quirks are popular. We know almost nothing about Ryukyu either while Fatgum and even Aizawa have gotten more focus.

It's all quite underwhelming, to say the least. And he should have built-up Eri's power instead of pulling out of thin air in the very same chapter she saves the day.

Last edited by Count Mario; October 13th, 2017 at 06:12 AM.

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Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

What I understood from this chapter (after reading a comment on reddit) is that Eri's quirk just let her rewind people conditions; the bullets rewind a person's quirk before it manifested. She can't bring Mirio's quirk back because that would be fast-fowarding someone's state.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by GJardim

What I understood from this chapter (after reading a comment on reddit) is that Eri's quirk just let her rewind people conditions; the bullets rewind a person's quirk before it manifested. She can't bring Mirio's quirk back because that would be fast-fowarding someone's state.

But she'll probably save Nighteye.

Yeah, that is a valid explanation for why that can't work, I suppose.

Spoiler:

"Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by Count Mario

They got their fight almost completely skipped, and the length we got in this chapter wasn't even a third as long as the fights we got for Sun Eater, Kirishima and Fatgum, Mirio, and Deku. Keep in mind that Lemillion and Sun Eater got their own flashbacks either in full or scattered snippets that made their relationship meaningful, while Nejire is a random high school classmate who became friends with them because their Quirks are popular. We know almost nothing about Ryukyu either while Fatgum and even Aizawa have gotten more focus.

It's all quite underwhelming, to say the least. And he should have built-up Eri's power instead of pulling out of thin air in the very same chapter she saves the day.

True, but that's what I meant, at the climax of this arc Hori wasn't going to put much attention to the girls no matter what. A lot of these shortcomings build on some of the other mistakes from this arc, I wasn't exactly happy with some of the other fights as well. I appreciate a lot of the ideas and development some characters got, but this whole thing is just very poorly structured.
It's always difficult to manage a lot of characters, this is something even One Piece is failing at right now (for me at least), but it gets even more difficult when you try to do a fast chase while cramming in development for characters who have been introduced just now.
There should've been a proper mini arc for Mirio, Suneater and Nejire before all this to show them beyond their most surface-level qualities. Merge Kirishima's flashback with his fight against the spike guy and ditch the whole Rock Lock bit and everything related to Nighteyes quirk. With that done, focus more on the villains and some other neglected characters. There really isn't any need to focus too much on characters like Fatgum and Ryuku, since the backbone of this story are the young heroes to begin with. They should be there to make the operation more believable so that not just some kids alone take out the yakuza by themselves, but lean on the big three the most since they are very competent to begin with.

Re: My Hero Academia - Red Diamond is Crash

Originally Posted by Maju

well the author it's at his very first true long running series,since before that all he has done are one shots or very short running series (don't know if they were designed to be short,or they got canceled), so it's early to know if he was doing this specifically for this arc or if he is just now having a bit more freedom from the usual shonen formula to express himself...especially since now the series is gaining traction in both japan and the US, and this might have gave him a bit more bartering power with his editor and the higher ups at jump.

Nah, both Oumagadoki Zoo and Sensei no Bulge were cancelled, in fact, the second one was cancelled so fast that Horikoshi thought of abandoning the mangakaīs career.

The series has been so good in a costant way until this arc that I forgot that Hori never had a long series before this, well, not at all arcs can be good after all, so itīs not really a problem. The thing with the girls actually is, but I still have hope that the female characters will have time to shine, there are various options:
-Uraraka and Tsuyu actually having a good fight, where they get hurt and keep going
-A Nejireīs flashback and a good fight with her
-Shimura Nanaīs flashback and his fight with AFO, it can be really cool even if she dies at the end of it
-Ashido and Kirishima fighting together against the giant villain from that flashblack
-The third ranked hero (now second ranked) being a female character and good role model to the girls

Seriously, Hori has the talent for making all her female characters likeable, donīt giving them time to shine outside cute scenes and fanservice one is such a waste.