A Mysterious New Coffee Shop Called 'Dumb Starbucks' Is Baffling Los Angeles http://www.businessinsider.com/dumb-starbucks-los-angeles-coffee-shop-2014-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 03 Mar 2015 15:49:00 -0500Ashley Lutzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52fbbbe46da811935db8284dDavidSWed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52fbbbe46da811935db8284d
It's art. And it's pretty darn brilliant too.
Did the Campbell's Soup Company sue Andy Warhol?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52faada5eab8ea2740b379ebmike.haubenTue, 11 Feb 2014 18:09:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52faada5eab8ea2740b379eb
Ummm yes they are selling things and violating laws.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f94ceb6da8110f373b9600SiltardMon, 10 Feb 2014 17:04:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f94ceb6da8110f373b9600
til I saw the paycheck which said $7664 , I didnt believe that...my... cousin had been realey erning money in their spare time on there computar. . there dads buddy had bean doing this for only about 8 months and resantly repayed the loans on there house and bought a great Mazda . look at this now.......
Jobs84.CＯＭhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8f764ecad04b031092e46biffMon, 10 Feb 2014 10:59:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8f764ecad04b031092e46
If they want to take full advantage of the claim that their shop is an art installation parody, they should charge admission to the “show”. Then, they could give the coffee away for free as part of the “performance” of selling coffee in satiric fashion at a place the playwright aptly named “Dumb Starbucks”. It could have a run as long as the play “Cats”.
Their lawyers aren’t helping as much as they could here...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8ea73ecad04ea08119102hammermanMon, 10 Feb 2014 10:04:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8ea73ecad04ea08119102
Umm Parody is limited to the extent of commercial products....They are selling / giving away products derived from the value of Starbucks...They will get sued or owe royalties...
Either these are some very dumb people who like to get sued or this is in fact a Starbucks PR stunthttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8e0ce6da8117849d72efbLucius ModernusMon, 10 Feb 2014 09:23:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8e0ce6da8117849d72efb
curiosity killed the cat; but hey we all learned something. testing the system for weaknesses MUST be part of the plan...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8dfd96da811533dd72efdjcoltonlvMon, 10 Feb 2014 09:19:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8dfd96da811533dd72efd
I'd say their lawyer is merely a parody of actual legal counsel, because this is blatant trademark infringement. No question about it. There is exactly zero chance this business (http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8de35ecad0411601190f9jcoltonlvMon, 10 Feb 2014 09:12:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8de35ecad0411601190f9
You have to give them points for having massive balls, but that is NOT.....i'll repeat, NOT, "fair use." Parody law would apply here if they did something more like The Onion and claimed that the real female inspiration for the Starbucks logo had opened a coffee shop to promote how stupid paying $3.99 for a $.50 cup of coffee was. But even that wouldn't hold a speck of legal use if the store 1) really existed, 2) actually sold anything resembling coffee and 3) marketed itself in any way, shape or form. This is a clear case of trademark infringement, and their attorney is an absolute idiot.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8dca0eab8ea3079119101Hero's DutyMon, 10 Feb 2014 09:05:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8dca0eab8ea3079119101
Nation of imbeciles. Thought process shut down entirely. The puppet masters have won. The idiocracy is here.
A new "viral" promotion hits every five minutes, and nobody notices until the media overlords point it out. And then everybody gets mad.
Still, it's nice to know there's still one other person who hasn't been assimilated. (Gettin' lonely, ain't it.)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8d8336bb3f71833119102IzzyMon, 10 Feb 2014 08:46:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8d8336bb3f71833119102
Close, but it's actually Nathan Fielder.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f89d9b6da8113c38d72f07Rusty ShacklefordMon, 10 Feb 2014 04:36:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f89d9b6da8113c38d72f07
This has "The Yes Men" written all over it. Or perhaps Adbusters.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f89cae6da811803ed72efcbdtender.comMon, 10 Feb 2014 04:32:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f89cae6da811803ed72efc
Dumb & drummer !
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Lot of rich H.Wood Hills people in L.A. who have nothing better to do than spend their inheritance. They're insufferable people to live around. ;)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8769b6bb3f72c5f35704fBanksySucksMon, 10 Feb 2014 01:50:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8769b6bb3f72c5f35704f
I wonder if "Dumb Starbucks" will give their employees above min wage and full health insurance for their part timers like just plain Starbucks does?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f869326da811281a4f4c2bhaywoodmatthewsMon, 10 Feb 2014 00:52:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f869326da811281a4f4c2b
Because RetardedBucks would have been insensitive.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84e3becad04f66e4f4c2bRon LeightonSun, 09 Feb 2014 22:57:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84e3becad04f66e4f4c2b
An expensive joke.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84989eab8eae066740115No lawyerSun, 09 Feb 2014 22:37:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84989eab8eae066740115
No lawyer would ever think this constitutes "parody": These guys *actually sell coffee*.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8461c6bb3f74e3f35704bwojowalter.deptuchSun, 09 Feb 2014 22:23:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8461c6bb3f74e3f35704b
My money is on them losing, yes there is a parody defense under trade dress BUT it still has to pass certain tests. First off there is a high likelihood of confusion because except for the use of the word dumb everything stays the same...this also goes to the transformative element under their claim that this is "art".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84619eab8ea0754740119ChasSun, 09 Feb 2014 22:23:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84619eab8ea0754740119
Stupid Starbucks vs. Dumb Starbucks- where are the dumbfounded founders?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84568ecad0464564f4c2dwojowalter.deptuchSun, 09 Feb 2014 22:20:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f84568ecad0464564f4c2d
So far most courts have said there is a parody defense to trade dress/ service mark/ trademark. In fact there is a famous case involving Starbucks directly in it (involving a brand known as charbucks coffee) In that case Starbucks lost. The court in that case applied a little bit of a mixture test of both likelihood of confusion and included in its findings the copyright parody use and applied it to trademark. Here there is a significantly chance of likelyhood of confusion and they would also fail on the transformative element (since the coffee shop is claiming it is "Art"... in order for that to apply it has to be transformative.)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83eedeab8ea863e740115Large CoffeeSun, 09 Feb 2014 21:52:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83eedeab8ea863e740115
Now we can order a "large" coffee and sound like civilized people, woo hoo!
Plus, I live 10 minutes away in Pasadena, CA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83d7d6bb3f7c32735704dRobert Kang LawSun, 09 Feb 2014 21:46:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83d7d6bb3f7c32735704d
Nice article. I think this will be revealed as an expensive publicity stunt, and not a genuine competitive business. Dropped by on on Sunday night, and the coffee was still free. Few businesses could afford to give away two days worth of product. By making no profit, the mysterious owner behind the shop increases the chance of having this stunt deemed a parody.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83c4d6bb3f7f31a35704dnot a lawyerSun, 09 Feb 2014 21:41:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83c4d6bb3f7f31a35704d
Just a quick note. Parody does indeed apply to copyright, but I am pretty sure that trade dress and trademark do not have a "parody" clause. Trademark and copyright are covered under the same set of laws at all.
Now if this company wants to use ad copy and make fun of it, they would have the "right" to parody it, but they better make certain that the logo is distinguishable from the original.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83b5e69bedda44a357050naroSun, 09 Feb 2014 21:37:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f83b5e69bedda44a357050
Whether its legal or not they certainly are going to spend a lot of money on legal bills.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8388869beddc74735704bPeter McBrideSun, 09 Feb 2014 21:25:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8388869beddc74735704b
The employees are called "Geniuses" and serve your coffee at the "Genius Bar"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8306feab8ea800f740115lukmanleongSun, 09 Feb 2014 20:50:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8306feab8ea800f740115
if the pictures were too small, try this:
<a href="http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/09/42085/dumb-starbucks-coffee-shop-opens-in-los-feliz/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/02/09/42085/dumb-starbucks-coffee-shop-opens-in-los-feliz/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f82cadeab8ead47974011dDave RSun, 09 Feb 2014 20:34:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f82cadeab8ead47974011d
They explain in their FAQ that they intend to sell their coffee not give it out. Free coffee is their opening give-away.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8269669bedd9e0135704btruly sticking it to the manSun, 09 Feb 2014 20:08:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8269669bedd9e0135704b
I think this will test many an assumption... Will parody become prohibited in free speech or as copyright exemption because of the impact on profits? In Kansas and Texas they would soon be swatted.
My Favorite indication of the state of the economy: "I don't understand but there's free coffee so I'm in line"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f81d6aeab8eaa53d740115ProsserOnDumbassesSun, 09 Feb 2014 19:29:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f81d6aeab8eaa53d740115
I'm guessing you are failing torts at Whittier.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f81a3beab8ea9239740115Matt SteinSun, 09 Feb 2014 19:15:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f81a3beab8ea9239740115
They're gonna need some dumb luck in court.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f817c5ecad04a8374f4c2djobeSun, 09 Feb 2014 19:05:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f817c5ecad04a8374f4c2d
Response from Starbucks..."you're dumb".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8175b6bb3f7dd2535704bYouGuysAreSuckeraSun, 09 Feb 2014 19:03:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8175b6bb3f7dd2535704b
The sequel to Dumb and Dumber is in production. Get it now?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f814e56bb3f7681b35704bMaurice BretzfieldSun, 09 Feb 2014 18:53:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f814e56bb3f7681b35704b
Best of luck with the "parody" defense. Giving away coffee and being crushed by lawyers earns them the "dumb" designation all right....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f814ddeab8ea0d23740117PSun, 09 Feb 2014 18:53:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f814ddeab8ea0d23740117
The terrorists have found out how to poison large amounts of the LA population...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f809e869bedd8a13357051HippoSun, 09 Feb 2014 18:06:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f809e869bedd8a13357051
Why should they run the out of business? They aren't selling anything, they aren't violating any laws, plus they are giving away free coffee. This is like the states that refuse federal funds.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8092e69bedded0d35704dAlligator BreathSun, 09 Feb 2014 18:03:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8092e69bedded0d35704d
Yes. Dumb and dumber.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f808586da811df6d4f4c2fEuro2centSun, 09 Feb 2014 17:59:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f808586da811df6d4f4c2f
> trust their lawyer
Lawyer? What lawyer?
They just read it up in the intarwebs, and went to town. Audaces fortuna juvat, etc.
(They probably intend to make money on bets about how many days it will be open, and how many customers will be killed in the SWAT raid to shut it down.)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f80842eab8ea2f7874011brmartin631Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:59:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f80842eab8ea2f7874011b
I hope they have really, really deep pockets,.I can assure you, Starbucks will spend whatever it takes to run them out of business. And they should.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f801c369bedde57635704bAsaad HutchinsonSun, 09 Feb 2014 17:31:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f801c369bedde57635704b
I hope they expand, major growth potential.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f80191ecad04306a4f4c2bHa HaSun, 09 Feb 2014 17:30:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f80191ecad04306a4f4c2b
Unless there is the real Starbuck behind it (I suspect that there might be), the parody law defense is pretty weak. They are engaging in providing directly competitive services and with expressive activities with little to none first amendment merit.
They are looking for troubles.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8018469bedd486f35704citsmeSun, 09 Feb 2014 17:30:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f8018469bedd486f35704c
I can't help but think its a DUMB idea that will backfire... ;-)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f801706bb3f7c35935704cguy12Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:30:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52f801706bb3f7c35935704c
They must really trust their lawyer