Tuesday, May 19, 2015

Both Gutting and Jamieson
accept the IPCC conclusions, and even seem to think that ‘dangerous’
climate change is already happening. So starting from that particular
premise (with which I know many people here will disagree), Gutting and
Jamieson bring some refreshing realism to debate on how we should think
about climate change and what we should do about it.

So this is how far science has fallen? Here’s the new scientific paradigm.

Someone “thinks” that something dangerous is happening.
He doesn’t know how it’s happening. He can’t say why it’s happening. He
doesn’t have any data to show that anything dangerous is going on. But
by gosh, he’s convinced it’s happening … or to be more accurate, that it
will happen in a decade or two. Of course he’s been saying this for
three decades now, but pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..
So what scientists should do, according to this paradigm, is to
assume that Chicken Little is right and the sky actually is falling, and
start looking for solutions to a problem when:
• we don’t know if the “problem” is actually happening, and
• all predictions of calamities which this “problem” is claimed to
cause have proven wrong to date, and not just wrong but calamitously
wrong … and
• if the “problem” is happening, we don’t know why, and
• the models of the “problem” have all diverged from reality,
• we don’t know if we can establish climate causality or predict the
future evolution of the climate even in theory, so in response,
• alarmists all sit in a circle and jerk about how to deal with this
as-yet-unverified “problem” and talk about poor scientific communication
and how “deniers” are psychologically damaged, and meanwhile
• we piss huge unspecified amounts of money into various rose-colored holes in the ground and
• we plan to reorganize the entire energy system of the planet, using untried, unreliable, and uneconomic renewable sources, and
• we give billions to line the Swiss bank accounts of corrupt third
world dictators and apparatchiks, which under the new scientific
paradigm is described by words like “compensation, not inaction” and
“helping the poor” and “carbon-capture” and “making things
revenue-neutral”.

Pathetic. Farkin’ pathetic.
Judith, you tried this “new paradigm” hogwash before, most notably
with Captain Ravetz and his Post-Normal Science Avengers explaining why
this problem needs new science …
Climate, while it is a wickedly tough problem, does not require some
new kind of scientific paradigm. It just requires equally tough, honest
science, science of the plain old-fashioned variety that doesn’t start
with the assumption that there is a problem and go haring off after an
imaginary solution. You know … real science with things like the “null
hypothesis” and transparency, the good old-fashioned science which far
too many modern climate scientists do their best to ignore.
Regards,
w.

Actually RE + storage is THE most expensive electricity option. It is strictly a boutique or prestige item, like a Tesla or a Rolex. There are better, much less expensive options. It would take massive subsidies to move them into the residential market in any scale.

This is the basis of the whole argument... that somehow more expensive power is better. Yet we KNOW that one of the primary reasons for the developed world's rapid advances is cheap energy, and one of the primary reasons the developing world hasn't caught up is the lack of cheap energy.

@MSR_Future A tax on carbon quite increases the price of EVERYTHING. And necessitates a bureacracy for $$ redistribution. @doyleclan1

One OR the other, not of... stupid fingers... We get to the logical fallacy part of the ideological argument, false dichotomy in this case. Why does it have to be FIT or carbon tax? It could be something else, or neither. The logical response to a challenge is to examine whether or not a solution is needed, and if so which is the best. If action IS warranted, a cost/benefit analysis helps determine the best course of action.

A simply bizarre statement that again highlights the partisan blinders in use... Wind and solar are the least effective and most expensive solutions in almost all circumstances. And require backup generation at idle. Just try heating your house with wind and solar on those loooong, still -40F northern nights. And forget about using them to power your car to drive somewhere warm.

Well this confirms what I just said about "ideological position". You aren't giving reasons. You aren't weighing costs vs benefits. You aren't considering resource allocation. You are just stating something must be, and damn any other considerations. This is the very definition of dogma. And I JUST stated in the previous tweet that this isn't taking into consideration human needs. I guess people can fuck right off when dogma demands.

@MSR_Future Ideological BS. I don't have an agenda that revolves around keeping people poor, or creating more poverty. @doyleclan1