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Gil Brandt Loves Johnny Football

February 11th, 2014

When Gil Brandt talks, Joe listens. The former Cowboys vice president of personnel for some 30 years was kind enough to chat with Joe about the Bucs at Super Bowl Media Day.

Brandt is very high on Johnny Football — ranked him the overall No. 1 college prospect — and believes the Bucs braintrust would not be making a mistake at all in grabbing the former Heisman-Trophy-winning quarterback. In fact, Brandt compared Johnny Football to a Hall of Fame quarterback he helped lure to Dallas. Some guy named Roger Staubach.

JoeBucsFan: Read where you are very high on Johnny Manziel. To Joe, some of his highlight tapes look like Roger Staubach when he played for Navy, the way he can make plays and his ability to escape. Manziel is like very few quarterbacks Joe has ever seen.

Gil Brandt: He does look like Staubach. Now Roger would probably kill me for saying this: But [Manziel] can probably make plays that Staubach couldn’t make.

Joe: Really!?

Brandt: Oh, he’s mind-boggling to watch. What he does is — you say, ‘There is no way he can make a better play than that.’ Then he does it. He rolls left and makes plays. He’s down by 28 and brings his team back. He does all of these things. I like him a lot

Joe: A lot of people think he is small and frail and the way he plays he gets beat up. For example, the last couple of games of the season he wasn’t playing so well and then he had a month off to recover and look what he did against Duke when he is healthy. Is that fair criticism?

Brandt: Well, he is 212 pounds and he has a very, very, very good lower body. I think that being a young, he will get stronger and he probably won’t run [in the NFL] as much as he did at A&M.

Joe: Manziel seems to have a reputation as a party boy but it seems that his partying is going on once the season is over. You don’t hear about his partying during the season.

Brandt: Well, I tell you what. He has great work habits and I think a lot of people exaggerate what he does. He is fortunate in that he comes from a family that has means which allows him to do things. I would imagine everybody is kind of envious of all the different things that he does, is what it amounts to. Don’t worry about that. He will play football on Sundays.

Most of Joe’s readers know where Joe stands on Johnny Football. Joe hasn’t seen a guy put his team on his shoulders and carry them like Johnny Football has in a long, long, long time. Probably not since Eli Manning played (when was the last time, before or after, that Ole Miss was worth a crap until Eli Manning came around?).

Wouldn’t it be nice for a change to be unable to sleep the night before a Bucs game because of excitement and not dread?

Wouldn’t it be nice to see a breathtaking offense on the field of the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway for a change? Wouldn’t it be nice to not need a virtual All Pro-offense to hide a quarterback and instead have a quarterback able to lift his offense?

If the Bucs drafted Johnny Football, then this town would erupt like the locals haven’t seen since Chucky hoisted the Vince Lombardi Trophy aloft in sweet, sweet victory.

Manziel impresses a lot of people, no doubt. I can’t make a decision whether he can succeed in the pros, it’s anybody’s guess, I guess. As for the Bucs, much of that pre game dread will be going by the wayside with Lovie and company in control.

I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like. The Skins gave up 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS AND A SECOND!!! Now if for some reason he drops and we can make a reasonable trade I would be open to that. I’m not down with bankrupting our team, for the Johnny Football pipe dream.

“…Manziel impresses a lot of people, no doubt. I can’t make a decision whether he can succeed in the pros, it’s anybody’s guess…”

Funny. Gil Brandt says Manziel is going to be an NFL stud. But if our JBF bloggers question Johnny’s potential, I guess we should stay away from him, huh? lol
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“…I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like…”

Yeah, we should just always play it safe that way we can stay mediocre. Snyder may suck because of the way he runs his team. But, you cannot question the man’s desire to have a winner. One day he will figure it out and be become the George Steinbrener of the NFL.
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I would trade up to the Rams spot in a second to take either Manziel or Brigewater, and GLADLY give up at least one, if not two, 1st rd picks. Its a no-brainer

Joe…we get it! You have a serious man crush on Jonny Football…in fact I’ll go far enough to say that it’s an official Bro-mance! But here’s the problem…we pick 7th this year…Manziel will be long gone before 7th! So if you want to be SURE to get him, we would have to make a deal with the Texans at #1. The Texans would most likely want multiple picks this year and next years #1 too. Now if QB was the only position we needed, it might be worth it…but it’s not! We need starters on BOTH lines, we need speed at WR, we need TE help, we need depth at DB and we need a solid OLB opposite LVD! I’m not willing to mortgage 2 years worth of draft picks for a team that already has a good young QB and several more pressing needs!

Joe, you forgot to ask the most important question. Please ask Gil if Johnny Football is worth the whole Bucs draft. Is JF better than Glennon? yes. Is he worth trading your whole draft to move up to get him? Thats the question.

Joe…we get it! You have a serious man crush on Jonny Football…in fact I’ll go far enough to say that it’s an official Bro-mance! But here’s the problem…we pick 7th this year…Manziel will be long gone before 7th! So if you want to be SURE to get him, we would have to make a deal with the Texans at #1.

You can’t say the Skin are happy with the RGII trade. yes, he went to the pro bowl, and won the division, BUT he also blew out his knee AGAIN, was one of the worst QB’s in the league last year, and proved that he cannot run an NFL style offense. Now that the NFL has made adjustments on the read option, it has become less effective as an every down offense. The truth is that he has one great season and one horrible one, so the jury is still out on him.

You think the Manziel stories are bad now? … God help us if we draft him Joe…even worse if we have the opportunity and pass on him, and then he goes and becomes a star QB. Joe loves to relish in the woulda coulda shoulda as we’ve all seen with M. Bennett

The only way Tampa get’s Johnny Football, is if we blitz and sack him. He will be long long gone by the time we pick anyway, so why this obsession with him ?
Hell, I like him too, but no way we get him.

Some of you say Teddy/Johnny are not a sure thing. Neither were the above players, obviously. I say PLEASE pull the trigger and trade up. Like Joe said, wouldn’t it be fun to be excited and WANT to watch your Bucs QB play?

@all people who think we should trade up
Can someone please tell me of a time when an NFL team has given up the farm to trade up in the draft and it has worked out with a championship? I just can’t think of a time when it has worked.
No one say RGIII, that jury is still out.

Well Joe, Ill tell you what if he ends up being the new QB under center for the Buccs, and is as good as you hope he is I will forgive you for the non-stop stories and will begin to welcome them with open arms!

@spanishbuc Says:
“@all people who think we should trade up
Can someone please tell me of a time when an NFL team has given up the farm to trade up in the draft and it has worked out with a championship?”

Trading up works all the time. How did we get Doug Martin. Trading up does not put the team in the Super Bowl, thats just silly. The NFL, more than any other pro sport is a team game. It takes talent, leadership, coaching and most important, LUCK to get to any championship game.

@Joe… “Rams”…there’s no guarantee JF will be available at #2! The Texans NEED a QB way worse than we do, and Manziel is the face of Texas football! Talk about a no brainer for Houston! They’d have fans in the seats immediately! So again…the only way to be ABSOLUTELY SURE you get Johnny Football is to have the #1 pick! Which will cost us 2-4 high picks this year and next! If Manziel slides past Houston…then every other team that wants a QB (Jax, CLE, MINN, TENN, OAK…maybe even STL if they are tired of Bradford) will be lining up to offer whatever the Rams ask for! Now, if for some reason Manziel falls past Oakland @5…then we have a shot at him…unless of course some other team trades with Atlanta and grabs him right before us! There are just too many other important positions to fill on this team! I’d rather the Bucs get Watkins, Matthews, Barr, Ebron etc..or maybe even trade down a little and pick up an extra #2…there is a TON of quality depth in this draft!

“I do like Johnny Football, but i’m not willing to go all Daniel Snyder for RGIII crazy like. The Skins gave up 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS AND A SECOND!!! Now if for some reason he drops and we can make a reasonable trade I would be open to that. I’m not down with bankrupting our team, for the Johnny Football pipe dream.”

LOL It’s cool if you are not a Johnny fan. There are valid points pro and con Johnny. That’s part of what makes this guy so fascinating. Joe nearly fell over when Brandt said in some ways, Manziel is better than Staubach. That’s coming from a guy that drafted Staubach.

“I’m just curious why Joe blames the lack of 2nd half points on Glennon when the coach refused to make half time adjustments”

Captain Stagger…. it’s called spinning.

Just like it’s Glennon or Freeman’s win/loss record and not Schiano’s or the teams record. Well one day it will be Schiano’s, the next day it will Glennon’s it’s all in how you want to spin it for the day.

@Jeagan1999 Says:
@Joe… “Rams”…there’s no guarantee JF will be available at #2! The Texans NEED a QB way worse than we do, and Manziel is the face of Texas football!

All good points. And the Rams pick will be coveted. But IF we could get the Rams pick and Johnny is gone (we could also make the trade w the Rams contingent on Manziel being there), we can take Bridgewater or Clowney. Heck, Clowney is tempting enough as it is. Said to be the best DE to come out in 10 years.

Gil Brandt was also pretty high (perhaps in more than one way) on Freeman. So, excuse me if I don’t bow down to his critique of Manziel.

“I think he’s an outstanding football player. I put him in my top 10 ahead of Sanchez,” said NFL.com’s Gil Brandt, a highly regarded talent evaluator when he was with the Dallas Cowboys. “I think he has tremendous upside.”

“I see things that say he’s going to be a successful quarterback,” Brandt says of Freeman. “He has a very good arm, good athletic ability, and he has very good mental quickness. He always adjusts quickly to different things.”

Mental quickness in Freeman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Considering this, I would say if safe to question his instincts on Manziel.

“That was a long time ago. Before the 2013 season, Brandt listed Freeman as (if Joe recalls) the 20th best QB under 30. It’s in the archives here.-Joe

“LOL – Captain Stagger again – copy and paste with the same comment on every thread.”

HotRod…ding, ding, ding that’s what I think most of them should do. Just copy and paste the same comments they made two days ago and last week about the same subject. That would save them a lot of time.

Joe, you do realize that the Texans, Jags, Browns, AND Raiders all pick before the Bucs? I don’t think I need to remind you how messy their QB situations are? And there are only so many QBs to go around. If the Bucs don’t trade up with the Jags, he probably won’t land in Tampa. And if those other teams are HALF as hyped about Johnny Boy as you are, no way do I see all 4 of them passing on him and him landing in the Bucs lap at No.7. Just IMO.

@Oil Derrick Brooks Says:
“…Gil Brandt was also pretty high (perhaps in more than one way) on Freeman. So, excuse me if I don’t bow down to his critique of Manziel…”

Brandt, Wade Phillips and Mel Kiper, all have Johnny #1. Not that Phillips is a great evaluator of offensive talent (but the other two have been), but he said this in his interview for the HC position when talking with the owner of the Texans – so, in other words, he put his money where his mouth is.

Rather than blow this years (and quite possibly next years) draft to get one guy, I’d rather see the Bucs trade back into the low teens (maybe with TEN or CHI) and pick up another #2. Then take TE Eric Ebron in 1st round, then get a mammoth OL like Gabe Jackson and a speed rushing DE/OLB like Dee Ford or Kyle Van Noy. In round 4 we could always look to add QB depth with a guy like Aaron Murray from GA ( A very talented QB who slid due to injury), A.J. McCarron, Jimmy Garrappolo, Tajh Boyd, etc… To me it just makes more sense considering the needs we have!

Look, nothing you can say, the writers for this website can say, or I can say will change our opinions. I could come up with 3 analysts who say the opposite, but it doesn’t matter.

But, for you guys to act like he is a slam dunk is laughable. The last slam dunk was Andrew Luck. Slam dunks are very rare. Manziel is not one. And, in my opinion, it’s beyond stupid to trade up for a non slam dunk.

I just disagree with you guys. Bottom line is it will be a few seasons before we know who is right and who’s wrong. So, let’s see what happens in say 2-3 seasons.

I strongly suspected Freeman was a bust when he was drafted. It took a little longer for that to clear up. We will see, Harry, we will see.

@all the people who want to up
since some of you can read that well, let me put it this way…
I did not say give me examples of trading up, I said give me an example when GIVING UP THE FARM, A.K.A. GIVING UP A SH!T LOAD OF HIGH DRAFT PICKS FOR ONE PLAYER. And @ Joe thank you for the examples (not being sarcastic), I looked at those trades and I would not qualify any of those as giving up the farm IMO.

Lmao I love the passion Joe! I love where we are at 7 and am confident we are going to be watching a premier player on the field next year and if Johnny Football is our man then Tedford is gonna have a field day

I tell you Joe, I’m with Hotrod on this one. You’re bringing me over to the darkside!
Truthfully though, even if he isn’t drafted by the Bucs, PLEEEAAASE keep posting the pics with the hot girls in them! It makes reading the articles just a little more fun!!!

Didn’t Johnny M. get booted from the Manning charity camp? Sounds similar to a Mr. Freeman blowing off his own charity camp.

Ponder this, let’s say Johnny M. is drafted and is a huge success, do you think his partying increases or ceases? Do you think Lovie wants to babysit, or more importantly do you think the Glazers want to run constant security on him after just getting past 5 yrs of Freeman? If Johnny M. has a tough year, which is the likelihood, he hasn’t shown the work ethic in the offseason to get better at his craft. His preference has been to party and while history is no predictor of future results, it is a solid gauge of what to expect.

I think if he’s there at #7 and he’s the best player on the board, you take him but to give away more draft picks on a team that is already thin in picks and depth for THE greatest unknown position of all positions in the league is silly speculation. Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder, none of the “gurus” were talking about him. Same with Kaepernick, Dalton was 2nd rounder, Nick foles a 4th rounder, Tony Romo wasn’t drafted, Matt Schaub 3rd round and he has had a much better career than the mobile Vick. Tom Brady….6th round. What is interesting with the entire fantasy of the mobile QB is teams that have them routinely let them go, Vince Young is out of the league, McNabb as well. Vick was let go by Atlanta then picked up by Philly only to be let go again. If Vick AND RGIII cant stay healthy with their athletic bodies, how exactly is Johnny Football going to survive at 212 lbs?

No doubt Manziel is one of the best QBs to come out of college in a while, but does his college game translate the same to the NFL? Most likely yes, but only in the right system and Tedford’s systems of the past don’t match.

Regardless, are Smith, Licht, Tedford & Co. willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks (plus some)? I seriously doubt it, Lovie is and always will be a defensive coach first. As he’s said, they can win 8 with defense alone, so it’s pretty darn obvious where his allegiance will be in the draft. He isn’t interested in a star-QB, nor does he think the offense needs a savior, he just wants a smart QB, one who can manage the game well and not one that takes risks and puts his defense in bad situations. Manzeil is just the type Lovie DOESN’T want.

Per the SLT & Co. brain trust so far, it would seem Glennon fits the mold. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them take McCarron in the 2nd round. He’s looked at as a very good game manager and he did something twice that Manzeil couldn’t even do once, win a NCAA championship.

Personally, I would rather see them take Garappolo in the 2nd round, he’s got much more upside to work with than McCarron and he will push Glennon from day 1 for the starters role that Joe is so hell-bent on taking away from Glennon.

We should do everything possible to get Johnny Football including trading this year and next years number one to move up into the Texans or Rams spot. The guy is the best player in the draft and hopefully the best player we will have an opportunity to draft in a very long time.

Johnny cream puff in the third game of the season runs out of the pocket gains ten yards and a first down.Johnny gets hit by a 245 lb lb that runs a 4.6 forty wearing a helmet designed to injure,not protect and is finished for the year.We just gave up numerous draft picks for that result.I can think of many pocket passers that have been in the league for along time that have numerous super bowls.Pick up a qb in free agency,draft one in the fourth round,and fix the offensive line.Then replace two wide receivers and teach Jackson how to catch a football,get a pass rusher and another db and we might win ten games.Lot of holes to fill ,only mentioned some.If you Give up draft picks for a running qb it might five years to recover.The Washington Redskins are the example in motion.

the bucs are not going to be able to trade up for this guy no team is going to let that happen, all the teams in the top5 are in a need for a qb so thats why the bucs should be patient and go with sammy watkins the wr out of clemson and bring some vet competition against glennon. so lets stop dreaming about jonny coming here because unfortuantely its not going to happen.

@Phil,
It will take a lot more than two 1st round picks to move up that far. the Skins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to move from 5th pick to 2nd pick. we would be moving from 7th to 1st or 2nd pick.

@spanishbuc Says:
“…It will take a lot more than two 1st round picks to move up that far. the Skins gave up 3 first rounders and a second to move from 5th pick to 2nd pick. we would be moving from 7th to 1st or 2nd pick…”

Possibly, maybe even likely with all the teams that need QBs. However, the draft trade chart shows the value of moving from #7 to #2 to be 1100 points, or the equivalent of the #14 spot this year. So technically if we swapped places we might get away with just giving up next years 1st rd pick.

@Left_Coast_Bucs_Fan Says:
“…are Smith, Licht, Tedford & Co. willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks (plus some)? I seriously doubt it, Lovie is and always will be a defensive coach first…”

Lovie traded two #1 picks while in CHI to get bratty Jay Cutler. Based on this, yes, I believe he understands the importance of a having a franchise quality QB

Cutler had already proven himself in the NFL. In the season before he was traded, his “passing yards, completions and attempts were all single-season franchise records for the Broncos.” In addition he went to the pro bowl that year.

Vastly different than a recruit that is nowhere near a consensus sure thing worthy of being traded up for. Cutler was a definitive franchise guy at the time. No one even knows what Manziel is. With Andrew Luck, it was agreed upon by everyone.

Would love for us to get jff dude is just a baller some ppl are just so caught up in being safe but u got to take a chance to be great. I’m willing to bet anyone on here that jff has a better career and is more successful then mike glennon. Mike glennon isn’t even a top 20 qb in this league. He’s barely 25. Go for greatness bucs fans not mediocre.

First off its not giving up 3 first round picks when you are swapping that years first round pick so that would be 2 first round picks…Idiot..

Second off you can’t predict injuries..

Third off RGIII took a team that was in CAP HELL to the playoffs by HIMSELF his rookie season.. What did Glennon do for us? You know the guy you think is so great because he set stupid ass Rookie QB records with consecutive TD passes in games and with his amazing 19 TD to 9 INT and his sub 47 QBR(Whoops)

@Harry
With the need at QB ahead of us, and the fact that the skins gave up so much for RGIII I don’ think the market price to move up is that low. IF, and that’s a Huge IF, we could move up for so little; I would trade up in a heart beat. My whole point this entire thread has been, when is the price too much? I’m just curious, what is the most you would give up for Mr Football?

@Oil Derrick Brooks Says:
“…Cutler had already proven himself in the NFL. …Vastly different than a recruit that is nowhere near a consensus sure thing worthy of being traded up for.”

ODB, I was responding to what Left Coast wrote re: Lovie and Co not willing to place their careers on the line before their first game and “walk-the-plank” by trading numerous no. 1 picks. They in fact did.

I also remember Cutler being a bit out of control, just like he is now, so NO, he was no slam dunk. And, I don’t know what you want as a “consensus”, but Manziel is highly endorsed by ppl who are proven to know what they are talking about.

@Harry
Spanishbuc is correct it will take more to move up. Why would the Rams take anything less than they got from the Redskins a couple of years ago, because you have a chart that says that?
How about this Harry (doubt it would work) but I’ll throw it out:
Bucs offer the Rams their # 7 pick this year, nexts years # 1, Mike Williams and Mark Barron (Rams need help at both spots) in exchange for the Rams # 2 and # 13 first round picks?

@Phillip
you’re right, they didn’t give up three 1st rounders. I’m a man, I can admit my mistakes. Now lets see how dumb you are…

1st- RGIII won the division by himself? How about a guy name Alfred Morris. 3rd in the league in rushing. That doesn’t help a rookie QB at all (that is sarcasm, i know your too stupid to realize that).

2nd – You can’t predict injuries- yes that is true, but the guy had the same injury in college. so that shows a history, so even though you can’t predict injuries you can find patters.

3rd when in the hell did I mention Glennon? but since you brought him up, HIS QBR WAS HIGHER THAT RGIII LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you had the ability to read an entire sentence, you would see that I am willing to draft Johnny Football, but at the right price.

Stop being a little B!tch and come at me with a real argument.
In the words of Richard Sherman, “YOU MAD BRO!!!!”

Pretty sure I was comparing rookie seasons.. We could all tell the team QUIT on Mike this past season… Idiot

Yes he had the same injury to the other knee… In no way shape or form does tearing one ACL mean you are more likely to tear your other one or it creates a pattern moron… That was about as stupid of a comment I have ever heard.

That’s great I’m pretty sure they ran an option offense so the threat of RGIII enhanced that greatly with Morris and who was he throwing it to his rookie season? Garcon for what probably 7 or 8 full games?

Ya the Redskins made a terrible move trading for a FRANCHISE QB who took them to the playoffs and just happened to have a knee injury at the end of his Rookie season… The Bucs would have given their left testicle to get the RGIII that ended up taking them to the playoffs on a terrible team in cap hell…

@joe
I really wished you didn’t use that photo of JFF in this article when comparing him to Rodger Staubach.
We all know JFF likes to party (which college kids don’t) but without great men and women like Rodger that would not be possible. Staubach voluntarily went to serve a tour in Vietnam instead of taking a stateside post.
Sorry Joe I am by no means trying to tell you how to do your job but I think you could have used a different pic.

Trading up for a high pick seems way too dangerous to me, particularly given the team’s needs. Not just for new starters–DE, TE, slot WR, whatever–but also for depth, which is where I think Dominick was really weak. It’s just too danged expensive to trade for a top pick and really can’t be compared to the usually (relatively) inexpensive trades for low first-round picks.

Unless some really great athlete that fits a key need is available, I think the Bucs should trade down, not up. The team is already shy a third round pick in what looks like a fairly deep draft. Not good.

If Manziel somehow slips without good reason to 7, then I could definitely see taking him, even if we think we might be able to win with Glennon. Ditto Bridgewater. But I don’t think Manziel or Bridgewater, for that matter, would be the difference between the Bucs going to the Super Bowl next year. The only way we get a major turnaround is to finish building the defense and shoring up the offense we already have, which is only a season removed from being decent. Trading up and losing picks might guarantee that we don’t fill all our needs.

Free agency could affect all of this, of course, though I don’t really see a likely QB replacement coming in that way–certainly no one substantially better than Glennon, taking into account performance, age, health, etc.

Here we go again…
So when the skins win it’s because of RGIII and they lose it is everyone else. The team gave up on both mike and RGIII. Multiple reports of RGIII’s lack of leadership, crying to Dan Snyder, telling coaches not to show his negative plays during film sessions, and even veteran players like Santana Moss calling him out for his lack of accountability.

Now to the read option… So RGIII and the read option made Alfred Morris look good? The truth is that it HELPED BOTH OF THEM!! Look at what happened to RGIII when he couldn’t run the read option, he has horrible.

I’m really glad you posted that last comment, yes Alfred Morris’ production went down this year, but so did almost every running back this year. If he would have ran for the same amount of yards this year he would have led the league in rushing. In fact he was 3rd in rushing in 2012, and 4th in rushing 2013. Good job trying to make statistic look better for your case. FAIL. I love how you ignore the fact that the NFC East might be weakest division in football, especially this year.

The truth is that this argument will not be solved for a couple more years. RGIII had a great rookie season and a horrible sophomore season. That is the truth. If he comes back and becomes a great QB in time I will have to eat crow, but if he fails, you better believe that I will remind you of it every chance I get.

So in two years at A&M, Johnny F had two dominate O-Lines as well as great wideouts to help him. Overall A&M schedule this year was softer with out of conference opponents, yet he threw 4 more INT’s on 5 less passing attempts.

Then you seem to fail to remember that he was arrested and charged with three misdemeanors—disorderly conduct, failure to identify, and possession of a fictitious driver’s license in 2012. Which means, he was probably out drinking. He was kicked out of a Texas Frat (sorry I want someone intelligent and if I am an A&M football player, im not going to some Texas Frat to party.)

All the pictures you ever show of him his him partying (which makes me think you just want him here so you to can party)

Personally I am tired of your man crush on him. Does he have the ability, more than likely yes. Does he have the maturity with all these great examples and others like leave a bar a couple weeks back with two hot women or tweeting I can’t wait to leave college station. Probably not. Are we drafting the next Russell Wilson with this kid? or the next Leaf, Smith, Freeman combo?

@BucfaninMO Says:
” @Harry… How about this: Bucs offer the Rams their # 7 pick this year, nexts years # 1, Mike Williams and Mark Barron (Rams need help at both spots) in exchange for the Rams # 2 and # 13 first round picks?”

That leaves us with two gapping holes at WR and S, but an additional 1st rd pick. But yeah, I think I would look at that. The real questions is if Lovie would.

@spanishbuc
I think that the real difference is in RG3 getting hurt. No one could have foreseen that, its silly to include that in the “what ifs”. Imagine that he didn’t; thats a little more fair. RG3 was a terror his rookie year. Now, I have to add, I am not a fan of the QB philosophy of Vick/RG3/etc. Having your QB run so much is going to get them hurt, just as RG3 did. I am not a big Shanahan fan. He should have pushed him to throw more, run less

Who cares if the entire league went down in rushing this year? He still ran for less with the same offense and a full 16 games of Pierre Garcon? I don’t care where he ranked the fact of the matter is he ran for less Period.

Where were all the comments in 2012 if that’s the case about leadership?

“do you think the Glazers want to run constant security on him after just getting past 5 yrs of Freeman?”

Excellent argument bro.
Seriously.
Glennon is the epitome of correct functional attitude for an NFL QB.
Works hard. Great self-discipline (unlike superstar). A little chip on the
shoulder but not chipy and a card-carrying under-dog (compared to the
front-running rich kid).

Just my 2 cents.
If we can draft Manziel great.
I’d love to see Glennon beat him out for starting QB.
But your right: I’ll bet Glennon looks pretty good to the
Glazers right now with Lovie’s focus on defense and the Freeman saga.