Does anybody know of recordings of or composers/compositions for microtone piano? I did find a recording of a 1/4 tone piano; it was nearly unrecognizeable as what I conceive to be music. The interval in between a major and minor third was most bizzare. The 1/16 tone piano must sound as though from another dimension! It's such a departure from the norm, its uses must be limited. I'm intrigued.

The Arabics use microtones in the Maqamat tone system. In the Arabic Maqamat, the octave is divided into 24 equally spaced Quarter-Tones and there are many works from Arabic classical composers who make use of it. But I do not believe they play on pianos but rather string instruments. Could be wrong there of course.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm very skeptical about all this "experimental" music, if you can even call it music. Let's be honest, it's awful! I'd prefer something by Bach or Chopin with a melody. Now THAT'S real music.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm very skeptical about all this "experimental" music, if you can even call it music. Let's be honest, it's awful! I'd prefer something by Bach or Chopin with a melody. Now THAT'S real music.

When it comes to this junk, I used to follow the same train of thought as you, but the fact is that you just have to look at this music from a different angle. It's still music, but it chooses to go in a direction that's completely different from music as we know it traditionally. The music becomes a lot more scientific than it does artistic, with the underlying principle being that music doesn't have to follow any rules, period.

I worked for five years as a recording engineer at UC San Diego, where their music program focused primarily on what they called "new music." Over my years there with the music department, I learned to understand a lot of what new music was all about.

Even so, I never really learned to like it. Very rarely did I encounter a piece that I thought was really cool and deserved credit for being more than just some bizarre science experiment in sound. But I guess this kind of music isn't necessarily about the listener, and testament to that fact is the number of recording sessions I just cringed my way through...

I'm not even sure a lot of the performers really liked this music all too much, either, to tell you the truth. While there were definitely some fruitcakes that were way into it, I think a lot of the performers participated in the new music thing only because they were expected to do so as members of the staff/faculty, perhaps just to please their superiors. What's really amazing is that most of them came from some serious musical backgrounds, nearly all of them classically trained to the concert performing level. I recorded a lot of piano concerts where they'd play this kinda shit for a half hour, then turn around and play a whole set of Rachmaninoff preludes flawlessly. Kinda weird to see the two musical worlds juxtaposed like that, but hey, it's a university, I guess they've got to do some sort of "research" somehow.

I guess you just gotta be into it to enjoy it. I never was able to do that, myself, but I don't think that necessarily makes it "bad" music. It's just different. Probably way too different for most peoples' tastes.

It is difficult to say where what we conveniently call 'music' crosses over into intellectual mindboggling or scientific experiment. Obviously one should not try to measure such music by the yardstick of conventional music like Bach and Chopin. It probably calls for another part of the brain, to perform as well as appreciate it. I have the utmost repect for musicians who not only can play this kind of music but are also committed to it. Even if you may not like the results, for want of a melody or lacf emotion, the results can still be interesting and certainly a microtone piano can produce the weirdest fascinating sounds. It may even be beautiful once the ear (mind) gets itself attuned to it.

A friend (Henk Hupkes, for those that know him ) had the questionable honour of listening to a real live performance on the Sauter microtone piano. When asked about how his impressions were all he replied was: "Well... Um... Waterfalls?".

Hmm, maybe I am being a bit narrow minded. (I was kind of in a bad mood when I wrote the last comment!! ) But still I feel that music is about the expression of emotions. As one of my teachers once said, "Music is the purest language." I don't think there's much room for a scientific approach to music. Emotions (and human beings themselves) are not totally logical. But I respect experimental musicians for their commitment.

But still, John Cage's four and a half minutes of silence is just too much.

Hmm, maybe I am being a bit narrow minded. (I was kind of in a bad mood when I wrote the last comment!! ) But still I feel that music is about the expression of emotions. As one of my teachers once said, "Music is the purest language." I don't think there's much room for a scientific approach to music. Emotions (and human beings themselves) are not totally logical.

Music does not have to be all about emotion. I think that is narrowing the definition a bit too much. There are many examples to be found of music which almost or totally devoid of emotion, and yet profoundly beautiful and/or utterly fascinating.

Having said that, I refuse to label rap or hiphop as music, prefer to call it noise. Probably also narrow-minded

Conor13579 wrote:

But still, John Cage's four and a half minutes of silence is just too much.

True. But that is just a daft attention-seeking joke which has nothing to do with music. Like his new organ piece which is to last 600 years or so.

Music does not have to be all about emotion. I think that is narrowing the definition a bit too much. There are many examples to be found of music which almost or totally devoid of emotion, and yet profoundly beautiful and/or utterly fascinating.

I personally cannot imagine of emotionless played music which deserves the label "beautiful". As soon as the heart is not involved it will sound so - bloodless, cold, boring. I never could find beauty nor fascination in this playing style.

I think the microtone piano at the moment has no real use at the moment. It is an expensive and prestigious instrument with no real music composed for it, and as far as I know no musicians that have mastered it to a point where they can play it like they would play a normal piano in any form of ensemble or solo,

(In holland we would say "brandhout". google translate it if you want)

Although it might be useless now maybe the future will bring exciting music where microtonality will play an important role. Music since recorded history has been evolving and maybe microtonality is the next logical step. Be that as it may I Personally don't think that the large public is ready for it, or capable of enjoying it.

I think the microtone piano at the moment has no real use at the moment. It is an expensive and prestigious instrument with no real music composed for it, and as far as I know no musicians that have mastered it to a point where they can play it like they would play a normal piano in any form of ensemble or solo,

Dutch pianist Maarten van Veen did a pretty good job of it as far as I could hear. But of course it is difficult to judge, the sounds being so alien and unfamiliar.

Joffrey wrote:

Although it might be useless now maybe the future will bring exciting music where microtonality will play an important role. Music since recorded history has been evolving and maybe microtonality is the next logical step. Be that as it may I Personally don't think that the large public is ready for it, or capable of enjoying it.

Certainly so. It may well be that microtonality, like other tonal experiments, will forever remain at the fringes of music, and attract no more than a handful of adventurous composers and musicians.

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