- Some 89% of Trump voters view Israel as either an "ally" or "friendly" to the US. Just 5% view it as an "enemy" or "unfriendly". The optimal rhetorical approach for our side to take is one of emulating Israel, not of despising it.

- Due to the vast racial differences in the under 30 and over 65 generational cohorts, these surveys would really benefit from breaking age groups down by race. The under 30 cohort is barely half (non-Hispanic) white, while the over 65 cohort is upwards of 90% white. This renders generational comparisons tough to gauge.

- From a list of 15 issues, "immigration" and "the economy" tied for first among Trump voters (20% each). Immigration came in way ahead of the standard GOPe platform issues of yesterday like abortion, taxes, and foreign policy. Among the total population, immigration came in fourth (10%), behind social security (15%), health care (15%), and the economy (11%).

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A GOP that plans on winning would do well to remove the Social Security payroll tax cap. Doing so means that SS won't go broke until the next century. A revenue tariff on imported goods could also shore up Medicare.

The normie voter is well aware of the state-guaranteed healthcare programs in all other developed nations. A GOP plan backed by a progressive payroll tax and with sumptuary laws to discourage drug use, promiscuity and obesity; would go down far better than a Dem plan backed by a VAT.

The average conservative voter doesn't know and doesn't care about economic policy outside basic platitudes like smaller government but even that is likely tinged with immigration or racial policy. The average middle class white taxpayer knows that a big chunk of his taxes goes to support immigration schemes and non-white gibs. Even if he will never admit it, he knows that when he sees 35% of his check goes towards various taxes that a good chunk of it goes towards those who never intend to contribute to the system. So they will support various initiatives to cut the size of government because it means less gibs.

Demographics and immigration are everything right now. It's the issue that is at the forefront of the average conservative voter, whether they come right out and say it right now. Issues like abortion and regulation are deadweight issues. Sure enough, all of the boomercon GOP politicians in my area are running on exactly those issues while ignoring immigration.

I've donated quite a bit to the GOP so I get invited to various meet and greets and am able to bloviate to the local cuckservatives. I chided them at a meeting a few days ago that immigration is the only issue that matters, not abortion or cutting regulations, and was met with boomercon rationalizations including the one where they think that these new Americans will vote Republican once they realize they can keep more of their hard earned money with lower taxes than Democrats who just want to tax and spend more. It was truly illuminating and it's a sign that these people are never going to get it. A lot of Republicans are just going to need to get primary'd out.

Some 89% of Trump voters view Israel as either an "ally" or "friendly" to the US. Just 5% view it as an "enemy" or "unfriendly". The optimal rhetorical approach for our side to take is one of emulating Israel, not of despising it.

Slowly, maybe too slowly, the electorate is shifting away from the militarism and the tax cuts for multinationals. The GOPe cucks probably won't change, they'll just have to electorally (or in McCain's case, literally) die off.

Random Dude,

Well put. Same thing here. Had one of those door hangers from the congresscuck in my district, Kevin Yoder. Besides the picture of him surrounded by non-white kids, there was one of those phony surveys soliciting donations that asked what issue those filling it out were most concerned by. I can't recall all the choices verbatim, but none had anything to do with immigration.

"new Americans will vote Republican once they realize they can keep more of their hard earned money with lower taxes than Democrats who just want to tax and spend more".

That fundamentally an indication of the self-serving individualism that's been recklessly promoted since the late 70's. While the supply-side crowd can boast about lowering the fiduciary duty of the biggest elites, they've let liberal elites get away with neglecting moral duties all across the board.

The Me Gen is predictable; aging Rightists don't want to share their goodies, while aging Leftists want gay bars, abortion clinics, and drug dealers left alone. Since neither side wants to tone down the worst aspects of their ideology, and neither side wants to embrace the better elements of the other side, we get a society that's utterly broken and full of partisan fingerpointing. That's what happens when each side is truthful about the other sides bullshit, yet utterly in denial of their own side's corruption.

Because the Left is more youth oriented and better at collective action, young Leftists fed up with Dem elites being neo-liberal apologists are going to be better at getting change within their party. Moreover, the Dems after John Osoff have done better at promoting moderate candidates than the GOP, who'll not accept any standard bearer who doesn't pay tribute to the Reagan-Gingrich-Bush era. Going back to the 1930's, the Dems have generally been better at "triangulating" depending on the nature of the race and electorate, than the GOP has. FDR expoited the discontent associated with financial elites, and Bill Clinton cut back the defense budget, lowered immigration levels, and cut back welfare, all of which contributed to a balanced budget. Yes, I do know that Clinton was a neo-liberal whore, but at least he reduced the excesses that the GOP created in the 80's and then restored in the 2000's. Exceptions: LBJ contributed too much to civic disorder in the late 60's, Obama didn't do enough to punish Wall Street, and Hillary Clinton was obviously a crook. But at least the Dems learn from their mistakes; they know that the ideology of the Obama-Clinton wing is dated, being that Millennials turned away from it in droves in the 2016 election.

Current and rising Leftist leaders aren't going to condescend to younger Leftists and recent converts that we need to pay homage to embarrassingly passe ideology. Whereas as you guys point out, far too many Republican elites trot out tired talking points, oblivious to how much it alienates people under 40 who've gained nothing from the cucks. It's not unlike the GOP in the 1930's lamenting "collectivism" and/or "quasi-socialist" ideas to an ever dwindling audience as the rising GI generation roared "fuck you" to the GOP and proceeded to keep the Dems in the White House for 20 straight years.

Also, the I Got Mine talking points seem extremely callous and practically nihilistic to people who came of age in the late 80's and subsequent decades. Trying to rationalize cruelty and selfishness (which is what happens when people cut the safety net) might appeal to dickheads who were of voting age in the Age of Aquarius (60's and 70's) and the Reagan era, but younger people aren't buying it. Aging rich people get to enjoy their toys, while decadent elites in corporations, academia, and the military can hang on for decades even when they clearly are corrupt and/or incompetent.

We get it, the Boomers can't play well with others so they decimated unions, civic groups, basic concepts of fair play and sportsmanship, stopped going to church, and the like. Everyone else is a retard who doesn't deserve a dime from me; get yer hands off my stinking money.

You can't overstate just how appealing it is to Boomer conservatives (and sociopathic like-minded Gen X-ers) to be told that you don't have any state enforced duty to financially help other people. They want everyone to be Horatio Alger, or an Ayn Rand character. Meanwhile, the Boomer Left agrees with fiduciary duties to a greater degree, however, they don't want any restrictions on "alternative" lifestyle hedonism, as though we didn't learn from the 60's and 70's just how damaging it is to binge on sex, drugs, food, shopping, etc. The Right is stuck in 1984, the Left is stuck in 1968.

Great to hear. He learns from his mistakes. If he proves those who thought the omnibus bill was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back wrong, we will have played our role well by holding his feet to the fire.

Keep in mind that the US Census definition of white includes North Africans, West Asians, castizos and quadroons. Asian Indians are also classified as white which historically went back and forth in court decisions even though today 88+% of Asian Indians don't call themselves white. Only about 4% call themselves white and 2% identify as black which is curious.

Actually, the average conservative voter is more in tune with basic economic policies than you portray. Definitely not specific matters like, say TARP, but they keep up with things.

"The average middle class white taxpayer knows that a big chunk of his taxes goes to support immigration schemes and non-white gibs."

Actually, they know that a big chunk of taxes goes to support a host of programs, some of which are outdated, some of which are required, some of are an absolute waste, and some of which are gimmedats to BOTH the poor and the rich. That is

"Demographics and immigration are everything right now."

Probably immigration, but not necessarily demographics.

"Sure enough, all of the boomercon GOP politicians in my area are running on exactly those issues while ignoring immigration."

Not ignoring it, just not highlighting it as much as some would like.

"I chided them at a meeting a few days ago that immigration is the only issue that matters..."

To YOU, assuredly.

"not abortion or cutting regulations"

Well, the average conservative voters I deal with on a daily basis would give you a different perspective.