Carbs+Whey Protein. Simple as that. I have no reason to recommend anything else because I don't know:1) What that buddy is eating otherwise2) What his goal is anyway. Is it strength? Muscle? Fat Loss? Endurance?

Carbs+Whey Protein. Simple as that. I have no reason to recommend anything else because I don't know:1) What that buddy is eating otherwise2) What his goal is anyway. Is it strength? Muscle? Fat Loss? Endurance?

parents are anise about it, he had a healthy diet solid 3 meals lots of good snacks and his goal is to get stronger and bigger

Part of the fallout from the baseball steroid scandal has been large numbers of people equating creatine and other over-the-counter supplements with harmful drugs. It's not true, of course, but minds have been made up - no point in confusing them with the facts.

Most of the popular pre-workout products these days offer some variation of nitrous oxide boosting - the presumption being that the improved circulation provided by nitrous oxide leads to better pumps (and thus faster muscle growth) when working out. These products are relatively expensive, and are usually labelled "not for use by persons under 18." Probably not something your friend's parents would want him bringing into their house. And something that would fast deplete his allowance.

Given the high levels of testosterone and growth hormone the typical male has as he enters into his late teens, I think that pre-workout supplements would be a waste of money for him. A cheeseburger an hour or so before hitting the gym should suffice.

I've noticed many of the recent posts have been about supplements, as if they really matter. Supplements can improve results for people who are already successful at building muscle and losing fat through exercise and diet, but for people that have not sorted that part out, they're wasting time and money.

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

Alright Stu, with that in mind regarding not yet successfully built muscle or lost much fat with a regular diet and exercise regimen would you not recommend supplements or creatine? Or would you recommend treading into those waters warily?

Kitten, Focus on healthy food, appropriate calorie intake and training to meet your goals, typically focussing on strength, power, speed or endurance. Protein powder is a great convenience to make sure you get enough protein. Simple supplements like creatine, caffiene, vitamin D and that's about it, could be useful for the general population. You can certainly get by without them but self-experimentation will tell you what you need to know.

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

Part of the fallout from the baseball steroid scandal has been large numbers of people equating creatine and other over-the-counter supplements with harmful drugs. It's not true, of course, but minds have been made up - no point in confusing them with the facts.

Most of the popular pre-workout products these days offer some variation of nitrous oxide boosting - the presumption being that the improved circulation provided by nitrous oxide leads to better pumps (and thus faster muscle growth) when working out. These products are relatively expensive, and are usually labelled "not for use by persons under 18." Probably not something your friend's parents would want him bringing into their house. And something that would fast deplete his allowance.

Given the high levels of testosterone and growth hormone the typical male has as he enters into his late teens, I think that pre-workout supplements would be a waste of money for him. A cheeseburger an hour or so before hitting the gym should suffice.

when I first started training, I ordered a big tub of some mass gainer stuff. When it arrived, my dad quietly took me to one side and asked me "is this legal?"

So Stu, I'm doing protein shakes in the AM right now because my protein intake for the day is, food wise, 2 hardboiled eggs and maybe half a serving of protein scattered in my dinner somewhere. I'm focusing on my diet, trying to keep candy, chocolate, general junk food to a minimum and up my vegetable, protein, fruit intake.

I'll look into those glucosamine/chondroitin-based joint formulas that you mentioned Stephen.

I'm still considering adding casein in the evenings after my workout as needed.

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