I like Maddog's lineup, but I'd go Rose, Thabo, Noc, Tyrus, and Drew with Gordon, Deng, and Noah off the bench. Noc has been so active as a starter as opposed to coming off the bench. Aaron might have to get some minutes too, but he needs to get stronger and leaner still, and Joakim, lose the chicken legs.

Actually, i'm with Del Negro, i think Gray could be a help with 20-25 minutes a game. Just because a guy is athletic doesn't mean they're good basketball players. It's too bad that Gordon didn't respect his fellow teammates enough to get in there and work out some, considering a complete new system was being installed. But, that's Gordon for you. It's about him, his money, and nothing more. Deng has digressed to the point that i'm not sure he deserves a starters role any longer. 77 million to Deng is mind boggling imo. What in the world were Reinsdorf and Paxson thinking? But then again, these were the same two which gave Ben Wallace 60 million. Anyways, the way i'd use the players if it was up to me.....My starters would be.....

The Bulls are a joke. They make things complicated because what they want to do is UNFair. They don't go by talent, they go by politics. Rose is the best player on the team. Ben Gordon is the next best player on that team. Lou Deng is next. You have your starting gaurds and one small forward. Tyrus is the power forward. He has better talent and more upside than Gooden and he is the future. So, you have your Power forward. Noah is your future and you want him to get his timing down with the 1st team. Noah at center. You have your starting 5: Gordon/Rose...Deng/Tyrus...Noa h....Noah and Tyrus must find a rhythm because often times they play "out of tune". Thabo should back up Rose. Hughes back up Gordon. You have a dynamite gaurd rotation. Trade Kirk Hinrich the overpaid kid. Bring in Gooden at Power; and Nocioni at small forward and Gray at Center subsittutes. Kirk would be in that mix with the defensive gaurd Washington. The problem with management is Kirk. They have to play this white boy when everyone else is better than him so they must compensate with other players. Dang on shame.

This is the Best Line up, with Ben coming off the bench along with the rest of the bench. But Thabo is a natural point gaurd they is why I differ with you below. But not by much. I just wanted to have a excellent point gaurd in at all times directing traffic. Thabo for Rose makes that happen. Thabo should have been the starting PG when he got there 3 years ago if it wasnt for politicing to keep non playing Kirk in the line up tto justify his over paid contract.

This is the second time I've heard someone suggest as Rod did Tyrus Thomas play at the 3/small forward spot. You know, why not give it a try if he's going to try and innitiate his own offense like a real scorer either with a face the basket game from mid range or setting up in the post. He certainly has the quickness and sleakness of a SF. Noah has looked so listless/winded I think he's on everybodies sh*t list right now. I don't know what he does over the summer(well actually i think I do know), but he's a guy that needs to work out year round, and big time put some muscle on his legs if he wants to be a viable force under the boards. What about Rod's line up then,

Gooden Gray Thomas

Rose Thabo

What do you know? A line up of players who actually can score outside and inside/multi-dimensional, maybe we can make defenses off balance now and won't have these pathetic, dead zone, scoreless quarters that have plagued the Bulls. And Deng and Gordon off the Bench would provide one of the best off the becnh scoring explosiveness in the league(explosive for bench players).

<quoted text>This is the Best Line up, with Ben coming off the bench along with the rest of the bench. But Thabo is a natural point gaurd they is why I differ with you below. But not by much. I just wanted to have a excellent point gaurd in at all times directing traffic. Thabo for Rose makes that happen. Thabo should have been the starting PG when he got there 3 years ago if it wasnt for politicing to keep non playing Kirk in the line up tto justify his over paid contract.

You can't play Thabo at point unless your playing Detroit with their big guards. Detroit gets away with it because Chauncey Billips can actually shoot. Thabo can't and we he's going agaisnt some of the quicker points' they'll expose his lack of quickness. That being said I'd start:Rose - PGThabo - SGDeng - SFNoah - PFGooden - C

Thomas is my first man of the bench and Deng would have to wake up real quick or I slide Thabo over to SF and bring in Hughes to start at SG. Hughes is a ball hog but he can score. with D. Rose running the point all these guys can get better and I think the person who benefits most is Thomas (Think about how good C. Paul makes Tyson Chandler looks)

PG - Derrick Rose(no brainer, face of the franchise)SG - Kirk Hinrich(would have been Hughes if not for the injury)C - Drew Gooden(best low post option, Gray is way too slow for Del Negro's style)SF - Loul Deng(if you think they are going to pay this guy that kind of money to come off the bench, then you need your head examined)PF - Tyrus Thomas(along with Rose this guy is the future of the franchise, most athletic guy on the roster, Skiles and Boylan did a horrible job of developing this guy minutes)

I vote for Rod's lineup of: Gooden, Gray, Thomas, Rose, Sefolosha, and bring Gordon, Deng, Nocioni, Hughes (when healthy) and Hinrich off the bench. At the end of the day it doesn't matter so much who starts, as who gets how many minutes. And with those lineups, I don't think the second unit would lose a step coming in.

But I agree with Rio that Sefolosha is a little lite in the scoring department. But Rose more than makes up for it, and Thabo has shown flashes of scoring.

<quoted text>You can't play Thabo at point unless your playing Detroit with their big guards. Detroit gets away with it because Chauncey Billips can actually shoot. Thabo can't and we he's going agaisnt some of the quicker points' they'll expose his lack of quickness.That being said I'd start:Rose - PGThabo - SGDeng - SFNoah - PFGooden - CThomas is my first man of the bench and Deng would have to wake up real quick or I slide Thabo over to SF and bring in Hughes to start at SG. Hughes is a ball hog but he can score. with D. Rose running the point all these guys can get better and I think the person who benefits most is Thomas (Think about how good C. Paul makes Tyson Chandler looks)

I like what you say, but, Tyrus is a high draft pick for a reason and that reason is to start him. He is a great power forward because how he plays under the basket. Tyrus is the future. Gooden is the mature Veteran and should come off the bench. Tyrus just needs good coaching and a bit more patience. He need to play within and do what he does best and then add slowly to his repitore. Deng has to start. He is the third best player on that team. He is explosive and unstoppable if you have balanced talent on the court.

Look dude: Rose is a premium point gaurd and will make everyone better. Visualize him dishing the ball to a gaurd who can put it in the basket 80 % of the time..Only Ben Gordon. Gordon can go to the hoop or, shoot that outside jumper. Gordon can get a foul, and Gordon would be a excellent feed and shoot guy even though Gordon is excellent getting his own shot off. I go Rose and Gordon starters. Deng is the best small forward and with Rose a excellent assist man, Deng will become a superstud. Tyrus is the young wiry powerforward who the Bulls must make him play within the things he does best. You have to play Tyrus because he has so much latent potential if the guy ever settle's down and stop playing intimidated. I actually like Gray over Noah, and I think too this would make Noah start working out over the summer instead of smoking the weed. Noah clearly is a bust at this point coming from a 2 time National NCAA team and he can't shoot a jump shot, can't get position under the basket; has difficulty positioning himself under the basket to get a rebound or, make a shot; can't shoot a free throw. WTF

So I go: Derrick Rose at Point G; Ben Gordon at shoot G., Tyrus and Deng at PFs; Gray in the Middle.

Thabo, Goodwin, Hughes, Nicioni, Kirk, Noah/etc., off the bench. Thabo can play point. Magic Johnson could play point and it didn't matter who the opposing gaurd was or how quick they were-same for Thabo. Thabo can shoot the outside jumper. Look folks, Thabo is in his 3rd year. He was a point gaurd coming in, like a Reggie Theus type. He was not giving a chance as a rookie. He played sparingly. The few times he has played he was used as a shooting gaurd because of the Bulls needs and not because he couldn't play point. I mean the Bulls tried Kirk Hinrich at point and Kirk is a shooting gaurd; the problem with Kirk is for his size he needs to make that 15 to 3pt shot frequently; he needs to be able to drive to the hoop and score or get fouled; he needs to be a great assist man; he needs to be able to dribble well to elude a man; Kirk does none of these things well enough to start or to justify 12 million salary that is more than every one on the team that is better than him. My God, Ben Gordon makes 4 million; Deng 6 million; Nicionio 8 million.

<quoted text>I like what you say, but, Tyrus is a high draft pick for a reason and that reason is to start him. He is a great power forward because how he plays under the basket. Tyrus is the future. Gooden is the mature Veteran and should come off the bench. Tyrus just needs good coaching and a bit more patience. He need to play within and do what he does best and then add slowly to his repitore. Deng has to start. He is the third best player on that team. He is explosive and unstoppable if you have balanced talent on the court.Look dude: Rose is a premium point gaurd and will make everyone better. Visualize him dishing the ball to a gaurd who can put it in the basket 80 % of the time..Only Ben Gordon. Gordon can go to the hoop or, shoot that outside jumper. Gordon can get a foul, and Gordon would be a excellent feed and shoot guy even though Gordon is excellent getting his own shot off. I go Rose and Gordon starters. Deng is the best small forward and with Rose a excellent assist man, Deng will become a superstud. Tyrus is the young wiry powerforward who the Bulls must make him play within the things he does best. You have to play Tyrus because he has so much latent potential if the guy ever settle's down and stop playing intimidated. I actually like Gray over Noah, and I think too this would make Noah start working out over the summer instead of smoking the weed. Noah clearly is a bust at this point coming from a 2 time National NCAA team and he can't shoot a jump shot, can't get position under the basket; has difficulty positioning himself under the basket to get a rebound or, make a shot; can't shoot a free throw.****

I could see switching Tryus for Noah in a starting lineup. I couldn't leave Rose and Gordon on the floor for too long unless Rose shows the he has first team defensive skills. Gordon is a great shooter/scorer but is a total liability on defense. The other problem is with both of those guys being under 6'5 the oppossing SG shouldn't have much trouble shooting over the top of them which is scary seeing as we have guys like Billups and Michael Redd in our division. I agree that if Rose can play with half of the potential he has shown in college and preseason he could make Tyrus a very good player. One thing I really like about Tyrus is he can run. That would be a big help if he could tire the opposing PF out. He would need to develop a consistent 12-15 ft. jumper and maybe learn a hook or bank shot a la Scottie Pippen.

Gray has impressed whenever he gets minutes. I could see he becoming a Luc Longley type of player who could be good for 8-12 ppg. He value would have to come from rebounds however. He's too slow to count on rotating to become a great shot blocker so he should use that wide body to box out and clean the glass. Gooden is more offensive minded to do that.

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