Following a short delay, 46 small buses carrying some 900 Turkish Cypriots started crossing over the Limnitis checkpoint on Tuesday morning, en route to the Kokkina enclave for the annual celebrations of the Tillyria bombing by the Turkish air force in 1964.

The delay, the Cyprus News Agency reported, related to procedural issues, since the number of buses initially authorized by the Republic of Cyprus to cross over to Kokkina was 30, while the Turkish Cypriot side informed on Monday afternoon that over 70 would be despatched.

In the end, it was agreed that the Turkish Cypriots would be allowed to cross in 46 buses.

A number of Turkish Cypriots will to go to the enclave with cruise ships and military boats on Tuesday.

‘State’ officials from the Turkish-held part of Cyprus also arrived at Kokkina for the celebrations, including Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci, who was transported there by helicopter.

In remarks at the event, Akinci repeated the claim that the Turkish Cypriot side was ready to “walk the last mile for a bicommunal, bizonal, federal solution to the Cyprus problem” at the recent Swiss talks, unlike the Greek Cypriot side.

“With or without a solution, however, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots must have a peaceful relationship,” he added, expressing hope that a deal might be struck eventually.

Addressing the problems at the Limnitis crossing point on Tuesday morning, Akinci said “these things should not happen”.

“Cyprus is big enough for both communities, and they can live peacefully if each respects the other’s rights,” he said.

Meanwhile, Greek Cypriot opposition parties blasted the government for allowing Turkish Cypriots to pass through the government-controlled territories to attend a celebration of events that cost the lives of Greek Cypriots.

“Turkey’s cowardly bombings of 1964 teach us that a solution [to the Cyprus problem] must explicitly rule out a role and stake for Turkey in Cyprus,” Diko said.

“We are saddened to note that Turkish Cypriots celebrate the cowardly slaughtering of civilians in 1964.”

The government’s permission for “Turkish Cypriots and settlers” to travel to Kokkina for “the provocative celebration of barbaric bombings with banned napalm bombs”, Edek said, is merely confirmation of the “rampant defeatism” of the government.

“Unfortunately, the general way it chooses to stand opposite Turkey and the occupying regime is fearful and yielding,” the party charged.

The president of the community council of Kato Pyrgos, the main village in the Tillyria region, Nicos Cleanthous, described the day as one of infamy for the area and all of Cyprus in general.

The memories, he said, go back 53 years, with older people remembering the crimes committed by Turkey in the Tillyria region, with the bombings of the Turkish Air Force in August 1964 at the expense of the civilian population of the region.

Following inter-communal violence which erupted in December 1963, Turkish Cypriots established a bridgehead at Kokkina in 1964, providing them with arms, volunteers and materials from Turkey.

Seeing this incursion of foreign weapons and troops as a major threat, the Cypriot government launched an attack on the bridgehead. Turkey retaliated by dispatching its fighter jets to bomb Greek positions.

For three days in August, Turkish warplanes bombed the Tylliria area, hitting residential areas and a hospital. Over 50 people were killed, including 19 civilians.

The threat of a Turkish military escalation and a resolution of the United Nations Security Council calling for a ceasefire ended the standoff on August 10, 1964.

Last year a total 1,015 Turkish Cypriots visited the area on the day of the anniversary.

And they should open the road through Kokkina for transit for anyone travelling to Polis and back so they can avoid the ridiculous detour we have had to make since 1974 to get to Kato Pyrgos

Fred Yusuf

They should also open a crossing from Limbya to Lurucina so people do not have to do a 50 mile trek to move half a mile.

Victor Cominos

As I said earlier all crossings should be closed and the TC should be told to stay North and rub shoulders with their friends the Anatolians. The Northern TC are not Cypriots and thus have no rights south of the Green Line.

Martin Standage

Build walls, spread hateful propaganda and create bad feeling and conflict?No thanks, we have all seen where that leads to before!

Victor Cominos

Should close all crossings and tell the TC to stay North and rub shoulders with their friends the Anatolians. The Northern TC are not Cypriots and thus have no rights south of the Green Line.

Martin Standage

So how would we visit our friends and relatives in the north in Rizokarpaso and elsewhere?That is the most stupid and unhelpful suggestion and anyway it is against the E.U. principle of freedom of movement so the government here would not do it anyway!

Tas

I think the problem is the use of the word celebration.
Why cant the two communities get together and mourn together the sad day both parties did wrong only that way you can move on cut out all these celebrations.

Dynosavros

ROC says that the occupied area is an illegal entity- Why then allow its citizens to travel and pay in an illegal area? Why even there is a communication other than with the occupation chief of staff. In an occupied area there is not any other authority than this chief of staff.

I’llbeback

This shows just how non threatening GCs are these days barr a few scattered thugs. Imagine TCs and Turks allowing GCs to do a similar massacre coach trip.

Stanlio

Very powerful statement put out by Greece’s foreign ministry on Akinci leading the Turk minority’s celebration of terrorism and war crimes in Cyprus.

‘We are dismayed to note the celebrations of the Turkish Cypriot leadership, including Mr. Akinci himself, of the 53rd anniversary of the use of chemical weapons and dropping of napalm bombs by the Turkish air force on the Tillyria peninsula. This was the first use of banned chemical weapons in the history of our planet.

‘Today, when the whole planet bows to the victims of wars and such hostile acts, the holding of and participation in such celebrations is an affront to international law, to the memory of the fallen, and to the whole of humanity.’

Vlora

A wise enemy is better than a foolish friend.

The True Cypriot

Who cares what Greece says?

Let alone what you say?

Dynosavros

Is coming for you. Be ready

The True Cypriot

We look forward to it – the TRNC is a very friendly place.

Victor Cominos

You mean the “Turkish Municipality of New Anatolia” is an unfriendly place.

The True Cypriot

Goad me all you like VC.

i am not interested in petty games from petty minded people.

From where I site the TRNC is simply beautiful.

ROC

Then I suggest start a petition and make it a province of Turkey, as you always seem to think its Greeks at fault, I be first to sign it for you.

Victor Cominos

And who cares what the TC in the “Turkish Municipality of New Anatolia” say. Even Erdogon doesn’t care. When he is ready he will strike and the TC will suddenly discover that they backed the wrong horse.

ROC

A true Cypriot, yeah sure,

The True Cypriot

Meaning what?

I can only be a Cypriot if I care what Greece thinks?

What sort if idiotic insinuation is that?

Please elucidate.

ROC

I watched your rants and I think your not what I call a “true Cypriot” in my eyes a true Cypriot is one that has ties to parents or is of pre 74 in most cases, Settlers I do not recognize as Cypriots as they came over illegally and was not endorsed by the ROC to settle,
which brings me to what you said, I do not recognize the TRNC so please dont reply back by telling me that the TRNC invited the settlers over, that like me giving a policeman a plastic driving licence I got out of a cornflakes box.

HighTide

Full of your standard illusions. What is a Cypriot in your eyes is totally irrelevant and of no interest to others. The “Republic” has no say whatsoever on immigration matters of the TRNC. If ever there is a referendum, all such citizens will be eligible to vote, including the owners of Greek Cypriot passports, recently purchased.

ROC

TRNC means nothing its a worthless, the sooner you understand as a NON Cypriot that it has no standing and is not reconsidered other than a country that does not even understand the meaning of democracy

The big difference between you and John Aziz Kent Kent is that I respect that man , I might disagree with him but least he speaks it with truth,

Anything you say HT is flushed down the toilet, you are the typical ” peter Cried Wolf” there is no meaning between what you say is true and what BS you say, there is no divide line, between your rubbish

HighTide

Another one of you rants that you should print out to use for hygienic purposes.

ROC

Re-evaluate you thoughts inline with Truth and then maybe people may pay you respect HT,

HighTide

I get a lot more respect than you ever will. Check your up votes relative to your posts, you fool!

ROC

Respect is earned, not paid for by paymasters, get were am coming from HT

HighTide

If it’s earnings you must be under the poverty line.

ROC

Am sure you love counting your Turkish lira, now can we get back to the issue in hand and stop trolling me.

HighTide

Says super troll.

ROC

Super troll been banned, your mate ” nicos samson, rem him

HighTide

Convicted criminal Nikos Sampson is dead and buried.
Has he written to you from his grave?

ROC

Oh I think you know who I mean, you backed him many times when he was being stupid on CM,,

HighTide

I have never dealt with dead bodies in my life, only with half dead like you.

ROC

scraping the barrel now are we?

Soho-Knights

You are the leader f the gang! You work in shifts!!! lol

HighTide

You are early. You night shift start later. Take a rest.

Soho-Knights

I have been helping my TC brothers today!

Vlora

Which gang?
It is you who are a leader of all fundamentalists here and try to drag everyone in some futile debate in favor of christianity.

Soho-Knights

Christianity teaches tolerance and humility. Forgiveness and repentance. Loving our God and loving our neighbour as ourselves. It teaches to help the poor and defend those treated unjustly. Caring for those who are sick or orphaned. Universally! It lives and works democratically . The greatest men and women in history did great things alone. Lets be honest here. We have Erdogan becoming even more severe as a dictator yet! You and your gang never ever critize him! Or those devils slaughtering innocent people. Again no condemnation. What is it you believe in and which defines you?

Vlora

are you talking about orthodox sect only?

Soho-Knights

If? You look at the history of the Church you will see that for the first thousand years there was only one Christian Church. Orthodox. The core beliefs are universal to all denominations and sects that profess Christ Jesus as God. And summed up simply as follows. ” love the Lord your God and your neighbour as yourself” understanding this wil bring you fulfillment and freedom.

Soho-Knights

Once again! You reveal your tue colors. Best you go your way and we stay democratic.

HighTide

Our way is already in place.

Soho-Knights

Keep an eye on N. Korea! This is the long term fate of Erdogan.

HighTide

Having nukes?

Soho-Knights

I know! Your drinking again!!!

HighTide

North Korea has no nukes? You are drunk.

Soho-Knights

Again evidence that you are intoxicated! Where and when? Have I said N. Korea has no nukes! Or is it you just like talking with me!

The True Cypriot

Who cares what you think?

I do not recognise you.

ROC

The feeling is very mutual 🙂

The True Cypriot

So stop pretending you want “unity”

We see through patronising and unwanted drivel.

Soho-Knights

Correct!

John Aziz Kent Kent

GOD .forgive all those who tell so many lıes just so to provoke the two communıtıes
Never to be frıends even though we have to lıve ın thıs Island together or sıde by sıde
Can’t some honest old Greek or Turkısh old man come out and wrıte or tell the TRUTH
For all Cyprıots Greeks and Turkısh to know the TRUTH have all Cyprıots become lıers?
The celebratıons that take place every year at Kokkina by the TC’s is for havıng saved
ALL 6vılages who were forced by the EOKA AND THE LOCAL GREEK Army ın 1964
To seek refuge ın one vıllage Kokina They ESCAPED FROM GETING MURDERED
The 6 vıllages were all Turkısh MASOURA AYTHETHOROS AYORGUTHY SELLAINTAPI
ALEVGA AND KOKİNA yes some of you are rıght the TURKISH AIRFORCE CAME THE LAST MINUTE AND SAVED THEM ALL FROM DEATH OTHER WISE ALL THESE HELPLESS VILLAGERS WERE TO BE MURDERED AND THIS IS THE TRUTH

Michael John

Well Said ——- & true ,I unearthed so many things about Cyprus & what you said is a fact and correct .

antonis/ac

And your sources are?

Michael John

I am unable to divulge that however the the nuts & bolts of it is correct . but the bigger picture on Cyprus was a complete travesty .
It will be a miracle if these 2 side can ever work together in the future because of the distrust .

John Aziz Kent Kent

Dear Mıchael John
Thank you for verıfyıng my TRUTHFUL comment I HATE LIES but we seem to hear lots of themwıth the Cyprus problem even events that ı lıved seem to be dıstorded
I am 83 years old young man and wıth a good memory THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT EVEN THOUGH I DONT KNOW YOU MAYBE WE CAN MEET ONE DAY

ROC

Dear John ,
In respect to your age, I think many are aware of the atrocities that BOTH sides carried out during these trouble times, lets not be shy Cyprus is no acceptation to conflict , most of the British empire was deliberately instigated, we can talk about India or Palestine but thats history and should never be forgotten,

My point being John is to stop talking about the past it creating more friction and divide and hatred am not saying forget , but bringing old wounds just prolongs peace and give ammunition to those Right wing nationalists who wish to create division.between two parties. we are now in 2017 that is were we should be looking.

John Aziz Kent Kent

Dear ROC
Thank you for your coment to whıch İ agree but havıng lıved most
of the problems ın Cyprus and people tryıng to defend theır mıstakes wıth LIES İ try to remınd all sıdes to TELLthe TRUTH whıch eventually mıght help brıng a faır SOLUTION ıf the publıc of both sıdes gets to know the Truth IT ALSO CREATES NEW FRIENDSHIPS AND PERHAPS BUSINESS TO GETHERNES
THANK YOU ROC

ROC

I disagree with you John, the truth being both sides caused mayhem and atrocities
I do not think playing the blame game helps anyone, to build bridges and peace means removing outside interference and that means Greece and Turkey, ,

Soho-Knights

This will happen eventually. Acknowledging the mistakes made and apologizing for wrongdoings brings healing. Blaming each other and denying that barbaric acts! Contrary to civilized behaviour occurred is unhelpful.

Michael John

John thanks for reply in all situations one has to have diplomacy anything else does not work —-so you have seen many thing at 83 —- you would be a interesting person to talk too .

Sonar

Cyprus hero’s are fighting again.

Stanlio

In Switzerland, where it really mattered, Akinci was completely silent, playing the loyal puppet of Ankara. Now, back in Cyprus, he can’t keep his mouth shut. Everyday, more and more nonsense comes from this odious little man who, today, while celebrating Turk minority terrorism and Turkey’s war crimes in Cyprus, has the audacity to criticise Greek Cypriots for not wanting a solution and make out that its the Turk minority that wants a ‘peaceful relationship’.

The Bowler

Says the man with an EOKA portrait as his avatar.

Vlora

I liked the comment.Precise and correct.

mustafa balci

Elam is back

HighTide

You have no idea who said what in Crans Montana. You are just a silly waffler.

The True Cypriot

He is a dangerous and nasty person.

ROC

We sure know that Akinci said nothing.

HighTide

“We sure know …. that’s for sure” LOL.
You have no clue what was spoken in Crans Montana and by who. Waffling again!

HighTide

You must be a clairvoyant. Congrats!

ROC

It was me that untied his gagged, happy now

HighTide

“untied his gagged” – write in English please.

ROC

Well having to multi task to answer your stupid remarks leads to mistakes, but I glad you got the jist of it, that’s what matters.

HighTide

I understand that posting is a multi task for you. Thinking and writing at the same time is beyond your capacity.

ROC

Have I hit a nerve Ht

HighTide

Your nerves damaged too?

ROC

HT, I pity you sometimes, or should I say Brave-heart, I get so confused as to what I should call you,

HighTide

“I get so confused” is the only true line you ever posted.

mustafa balci

Even under 1960 agreement it refers as tc community not minority we don’t need your fachist views

Soho-Knights

Both terms are correct! Minority or Community! They are not derogatory terms. The fact that you nit pick is because you don’t understand their meanings in context.

The True Cypriot

Co Owners, not minority.

Think of it in that way, even if your mind will not process that thought.

ROC

Co-Owners? what 50-50 please elaborate I hate when people just use 4 words, be specific

HighTide

No need for 50:50. The 37% of the TRNC are sufficient for co-ownership.

ROC

You hold Illegal land by aggression, its not recognised so it means nothing, 43 years on and nothing has been gained in the North and nothing will .

Those are facts, enjoy, digest, and swallow

HighTide

Dreamer.

The True Cypriot

You need to read the constitution.

I know 99.999% of Greeks never agreed with it [hence what followed from 1960-74] but that is the basis of any negotiation.

What you would like, or would prefer, or would demand, or what others might think is of no interest to us – Co owners means that the GCs/TCs jointly own the island.

The constitution can only be abolished if we agree, regardless of 1974.

Soho-Knights

Correct!

The Bowler

I’m going to avoid apportioning blame for the Erenköy incident of 1964. What I would like to point out is the intensity of loathing, hatred and resentment between the two communities.
Against all the odds and facing the full might of Makarios’s and Grivas’ men plus mainland troops, the Turkish Cypriots, who were mostly students, preferred to fight on rather than surrender to the Greeks.
This intensity of hostility has not receded and is just beneath the surface. Therefore there will never be a reunification, come what may.
Just read the comments (including mine) which shows the feelings of both sides.

Whazzzzzzup

There are many TC’s & GC’s who are not infected with whats ‘beneath the surface’ because they have accepted the mistakes of the past and want to move forward. It’s the puppet masters pulling the strings who are keeping this virus alive. Reunification will happen eventually in some shape or form because it is in the heart of every true Cypriot.

The True Cypriot

Tell Stanilo, Parthenon, Victor and all the other racists that talk down at us TCs in the way that they do.

Many TCs have utter contempt fie people like that, who in our view, propagate and perpetuate racial hatred.

No prospect of unity with people like that around, or those who tolerate them.

ROC

Yawns very loud, their is a saying let me give to you ” a good mechanic never blames his tools” this I can associate with you.

HighTide

You don’t possess even the simplest tool, beyond a toothpick.

ROC

so speaks the man with the forked tongue LOL

Soho-Knights

Turkey will be broken up! The Kurds wll rightly rule!

HighTide

Such rubbish keeps you awake?

Soho-Knights

Its on the cards! Don hold your breath! Turkey is not a united nation it needs to become federal states! Don’t you agree?

HighTide

You seem to know nothing concrete about Turkey, relying on propaganda lies. The current split in Turkey is between the liberal educated citizens and the religious half supporting the current government. Where you see a federation remains mysterious.

Soho-Knights

The religious half is the majority!

HighTide

Not more than your black frock disciples.

Soho-Knights

At least they show their faces and pray for the peace of the world! And yours?

HighTide

Their two faces, yes.

Soho-Knights

With respect! Stop drinking! I cannot understand what you are saying. I asked you a question. Take a deep breath have some black coffee and take your time and answer please?

HighTide

You must be bored. Watch TV.

Soho-Knights

Ha! Ha! Ha! I haven’t got a TV!

Vlora

Yes they pray for the peace with a profit from Keo which they never share with poor people.

Soho-Knights

Snide remarks! Always!!!

Vlora

A hallucination.

Soho-Knights

Many a dream or hallucination becomes a reality! what a wonderful day that will be for Turks and Greeks and Kurds and Armenians and all minorities that have been forced to submit! Don’t you agree?

Soho-Knights

You have to understand that pointing out the truth and facts is not talking down to you. It is educating you. You may not llike to hear it however! In a democracy this is what happens. Go and live in Turkey and oppose Erdogan and see what happens!

Whazzzzzzup

Just remember the racist, extremists & patriots are just a minority using this forum as a platform to block any progress between the two sides with their hate rhetoric. Most of us GC’s welcome integration and look forward to a solution as fair and just for both sides.

The True Cypriot

Well done and well said

Soho-Knights

You sir are a fascist! You probably don’t realise it. When you call people names like fascist and racists to close down a debate or to stop them speaking against your views or regime. It is you. That is at fault.

Martin Standage

A dignified remembrance ceremony.along the lines of that which G.B. holds at the Cenotaph every November is justified for anyone wishing to remember those who died, whoever they were but not a celebration, which is what this looks like to any outsider!If this island is to have any chance of peace and re-conciliation the two leaders need to set the right example…..NOW!

anastasia

I absolutely agree Martin.

Orhan Ozdes

State organised attacks the illegal GNG on the TC noncombatant civilian population is dedcribed as “intercommunal violence”!

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

Rubbish, TMT were smuggling weapons into Cyprus. They were caught red handed, Turks were dropping napalm on 16 day old babies and defenceless villagers, over 300 were slaughtered, and villages wiped out. You sadistic maniacs got off lightly.

Victor Cominos

You are so right and yet the TC have the audacity to carry on as if they were the ones who were badly done by. They will get their just deserts in time when Erdogon decides to sort them out.

For some strange reason the TC seem to think that they are a chosen people with special rights. Go and tell Erdogon, as far as he is concerned the TC are vermin and he will treat them as such.

Whazzzzzzup

Doesn’t help when both sides continue to celebrate killing each other…makes me sad.

Veritas

The bombning of civilians with napalm is a crime.
What is omited in our books though, is that this tragic event could have been avoided.
The commander of the NG, Gen. Grivas and Makarios didn’t listen to warnings from the UN, that Turkey would use their air force, unless Grivas didn’t halt his attacks on more or less defence less TC villages. The GC civilians paid a very heavy price for this arrogance and hybris.

Dave The Impaler

Strange how you forgot to point out that these “more or less defence less TC villages” were run by the turk military and paramilitaries, were attacking police patrols, attacking Greek Cypriot civilians, the campaign of intimidation and violence suffered by TCs who did not agree with the Turkish nationalist position of segregation, and so on.
If this was in sunny turkey please how different would the peace loving erdogan had handled this situation ?

Veritas

I think you’re not able to see beyond our one sided history books, which are
written to fit into the Holy Truth.
If you take some time and make some research of the correspondence between the UN and Grivas/Makarios leading up to this tradgedy, you’ll see that the defence of those TC villages were almost non excisting.
Grivas behaved in the same irresponsible way 1967 and once again brought us to the brink of a Turkish invasion.
We must be honest to ourselves and not accept our official history books at face value. A critical approch is important at all times.

Michael John

*****

Caulkhead

I think you will find it was all part of the Akritas Plan, which was to provoke the TCs into needing to defend themselves, call it an uprising and then there was an excuse to wipe them out.

Even Un does not mention napalm you are just making that up if turkish air force did not come there would have been massacre

Michael John

You are so right

Michael John

Yes that is so ——— 50/60 years ago this Island had a lot of uneducated people simple people who where just going about there daily lives it was so easy to manipulate them into believing what there where told in the church & through word of mouth .

Monica

Why not get Akinci and Anastasiades to cancel ALL celebrations/commemorations ?
Except …..
To replace them with a ‘Nationwide Remembrance Day’ (the date chosen from any day, in a previous year, when no violent action was reported).
Thus denying this ‘tennis match’ situation of …. “I’m going to tell who hit out first” …. So childish !

Mist

Totally agree, but for the 2 sides to agree anything apart from who somebody else should pay the bill is impossible. 11/11 would be fitting as both sides died at the hands of the Axis.

The Bowler

So, will the TC’s commemorate the death of EOKA members? Will the Greeks mourn for the victims of Murataga, atlialar, sandalilar, kofinou, dohni?
It’s a no goer. It ain’t gonna ‘appen.

Soho-Knights

A Great Idea!
There is an ingrained issue that is difficult to eradicate. “In Remembrance ” Traditionally those who have died are remembered. This is a good thing, I am sure you will agree? Not in a bad way, but in a way that shows respect for life.

Louis

At a time when Turkey threatens to walk all over us, Akinci speaks of a peaceful coexistance?

HighTide

When was this threat made and by who?

Louis

You obviously do not read the news.

HighTide

Quote please.

The Bowler

Answer HH loopy louis.

antonis/ac

“As Turks are taught to take pride in every single thing in their history — including all of the crimes of their ancestors — they still continue committing similar crimes.” (Uzay Bulut, a Turkish journalist.)

mustafa balci

You lot are not ready for anything waste of time I think even talking to you lot you are all brainwashed beyond repair

konstabo

but we dident go around stealing other peoples houses and propertys though did we……ofcourse thats not as bad as the govt. stealing its own citizens money from there accounts be it with EU approval but thats another story…..

HighTide

You don’t see what actually happened. After quashing your coup in 1974 there was a UN controlled exchange of population on the island.
Since this separation, all properties one both sides were used one way or another. These are the effects of war, everywhere on the world. To believe that houses will remain idle until doomsday is naive.

konstabo

oh i see , well that explains it then , carry on , sorry to disturb you , i was too ignorant to understand what was going on but now that you have clarified the issue i consed and accept everything that happened , you can go ahead and keep it then , still thats not as bad as the govt stealing its own peoples money be it with EU approval……

HighTide

Good for you that you understand the realities of the world.

Whazzzzzzup

No need to give up on the rest of us just because you dislike what others have written in an online forum? The Cyprus mail is not the be all and end all of who we Cypriots are…the reality is out there I see it every single day. We are moving forward and building inter-communal relationships,the gates are open…lets not close them again.

Vlora

Hi.You and Oratis are very positive commentators in CM.I wish many were like you and we could resolve the problem internally.

mustafa balci

I would personally go one step further if we solve cyprus problem I suggest one monument should be built for all the victims of this conflict from 1963 to 1974 and every shool children should be made to visit it an polticians and it should be national monument to every cypriot

Fred Yusuf

Another one of those ironies. There was the ilegally set up National Guards men with heavy weapons surrounding a village of 500 TC teachers supposedly trained in fighting with 800 civilains about to be wiped out, totally missed by the forumers here, never mind the fact that the pilot refered to was taken from hospital to a monestary and tortured to death of course does not count as a warcrime does it?

You wonder why in 1974 there was so little sympathy shown by the TCs in Cyprus to what GCs suffered. If you don’t know by now you will never know.

But I do wonder how much baby Tasos know about what his father was upto at this point. Is he for instance aware that Yorgadjis and Makarios and Clerdies caught him on the telephone calling all his captains in EOKA and giving them the orders that as soon as the Turkish Ships were visible on the horizon, they had 45 minutes to kill all the TC. I suppose having a father like that expalins not only baby Taso’ mentality but also the rest of rabble rousing swine on the forums in general.

We live in hope that one day you will see thr light but I am not holding my breath for that one.

Maz

You need to move on mate

Fred Yusuf

What’s the matter Maz, you don’t like facts? Move on to where exactly.

Dave The Impaler

Lets put it this way if the pilot had been Greek, he was bombing hospitals, schools villages etc and was shot down and captured by turks. Would he have been treated with any less respect ?
As for 500 tc teachers. Really were there 500 tc teachers in the whole of Cyprus at the time ?

Fred Yusuf

How many hospitals were exactly in Kochina area again. Are you sure you are not confusing this incident with the Nicosia Hospital incident at the time where all the TC patients were slaughtered and fed to the pigs.

Dave The Impaler

See this is where you’ve just been found out. Feeding people to pigs was never a Greek thing. I’m not saying it never happened but at the end of the day pork is our national dish. The feeding people to pigs was a Turk speciality. It was known to have been widely used during and before the invasion. Even to your own people.

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You are mistaken. Search for Makarios and napalm,, there you will see an interview with the BBC, where Makarios gives an ultimatum to the Turks.

Fred Yusuf

I was aware of what Makarios said, but saying it is one thing, ringing up the captains of EOKA all over the island to instructing them to prepare too kill all the TCs once the ships are visible is another. This fact was confirmed by Clerides in his book “The Path of a Country”. Papatopoullos also warned the American Ambassador the same thing he was telling his EOKA captains. So there is at least 3 different incidences I am aware of where President and a Minister are threating genocide on innocent TCs. And you say we don’t need the Guarantees. Oh I know of course we are no longer in 1963, we are in 2017 and of course we don’t have people like Makarios and Papadopoullos in parliament that would consider such a thing.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

You got caught red handed smuggling weapons into Cyprus, why was you smuggling weapons here, no one knew how many weapons were smuggled here previous to you being caught. If you say that the tc’s were innocent then why were they moving into enclaves?
There were armed battalions of 20,000 tc’s, why, because you was preparing a Greek Cypriot genocide, but you got caught.

Fred Yusuf

You are a typical Greek CYpriot if I may say so. Certainly they were smuggling weapons and Turkish Cypriot Teachers who were studying in Turkey at the time after training them for a couple of months. But that is not the whole stroey is it. At the same time you smuggled weapons from Greece and 12,000 soldiers into Cyprus. To my knowledge the Turkish Cypriots certainly armed every single able body from 18 years up to 50 years old and someolder but they only ever spent time in the enclaves defending them. There was no attack on Greek Cypriot villages like you did with Gochina and Kofunye.

If you are going to have debate at least be aware of all the facts. Sure some TMT men went out of the enclaves and killed Greek Cypriots on orders from Nicosia as a tit for tat activity. For evey one Turkish Cypriot killed a Greek Cypriot was killed too. May all the killers on both sides rot in hell. Starting from the President and the rest of the ministers who ordered the killings and TMT too.

As to Turkish Cypriots preparing for Greek Cypriot genocide, its the first time I have heard that. Perhaps you can tell us what the plans were. So far two publically and one in private conversations regarding genociding Turkish Cypriots were said Makarios and Tasos Papadopoullos. You had the Akritas Plan and then the Aphrodite 1 and 2 plans to wipe out the Turkish Cypriots in 45 minutes apparently. How on earth were 18% of the population locked up in enclaves were exactly going to cause genocide on the Greek Cypriots. So what you are saying is the reason why you attacked Kochina and Kofunye was becasue you were fearing genocide. How interesting? Tell me more I may be able to help you.

I have heard some delusional statements from many people but never one as ignorant as you.

I suspect you were not even born then.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

If you drop Napalm on old people for no reason other, that you can, we will kill you. Simple, don’t drop Napalm, but you wouldn’t listen. You got off lightly. For what you did and for what you had planned to do, you should be extinct. Turks are sadistic barbarians.

Fred Yusuf

How long have you been an ELAM member?

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

What’s an Elam?

Freevoice

This is another piece of rubbish. “The Path of a Country” was written by Niyazi Kizilyurek, a Turkish Cypriot academic and not by President Glafcos Clerides. Please give page number where this distortion of yours, concerning President Tassos Papadopoulos, can be found in Mr Niyazi Kizilyurek’s book. I repeat again from a previous comment that President Papadopoulos, at the time of the invasion in July 1974 was being held prisoner by EOKA B. There was no way that he was giving such instructions,

Fred Yusuf

You can repeat it all you like. As to who wrote it, what difference does it make. After it was written did you hear Clerides make a fuss about what was in it? Did he not get to look at it before it was published? as to which page, may I suggest it is well worth reading the the book rather than one paragraph refering to Papadopoullos’s telepne conversation. You may be alightened slightly. There is no distortion, ti is what it says.

Freevoice

Your accusation remains gossip or misrepresentation or an outright lie. Details such as who wrote a book or what exactly was being referred to in a book is very important if you are interested in finding out the truth and not relying on propaganda which you seem to be doing.

Fred Yusuf

I would like you to read the book before you make a fool of yourself by stupid accusation but in this case I will make an acception. it is onpage 107 tha last paragraph. You must read the whole book though and that will give you an idea whats what in Cyprus.

Soho-Knights

It will only give a view from the perspective of people who do not understand democracy and Human Rights. From the view that might is right and lying! Being economic with the truth is preferable to the whole truth. Who believe in submission with intolerance of any deviation. From the perspective of peole who destroy the heritage and traditions of others. Of those who claim all sorts of imaginary inventions. In other words the veracity of this book is very much in doubt!

Freevoice

What utter rubbish. Nicholas Papadopoulos’ father was under arrest by the ‘coupists’ when the Turkish invasion began. It is people like you. Fred Yusuf with your lies and distortions that fan the pain into hate between people on island.

Soho-Knights

There is a lot of truth in what you say!

Fred Yusuf

I did not say which year Yorgadjis Clerides and Makarios caught him calling his captains in EOKA to start killing. So clearly if Yorgadjis and Makarios was there too, I could not have been refering to the 1974 you bafoon. I am talking about 1964. The thread is about 1964 and Kochina incident just in case you have not realised.

Why don’t you read what Clerides has said in his book? Or do you not respect Clerides and what he witnessed.

Freevoice

I stand corrected on the year you are referring to. There is much demonisation of President Tassos Papadopoulos. I suggest you read “Getting it Wrong: Fragments from a Cyprus Diary 1964” by Martin Packard which puts into perspective Papadopoulos’ priorities and efforts in 1964, which were to try and control extremism amongst out of control gun toting Greek speaking Cypriot thugs to enable Turkish speaking Cypriots to feel safe enough to return to their villages. The book you are referring to “Glafcos Clerides: The Path of a Country” was not written by Glafcos Clerides but by Niyazi Kizilyurek. I have respect for Niazi Kizilyurek but this respect does not stop me from questioning what he writes or what is claimed he has written. The book does not confirms your accusation. Your accusations are the outcome of propaganda and misinterpreted realities.

antonis/ac

Turkey’s aggression here, should serve as another strong reminder why Erdogan and his Islamo-fascist thugs in Ankara should not have a voice in Cyprus; no guarantor or intervention rights, no Turkish troops on the island.

mustafa balci

You keep going about same thing we tc hate erdogan more you do he is here today gone tomor row what you are sugessting is impossible no tc will ever accept that you have to realistic stop dreaming

Maz

In that case stop dreaming of recognition will never ever happen with this attitude you will allways be dancing to Turkeys tune looking through you prison bars with no aircon and fresh water

mustafa balci

You talk a lot crap

HighTide

Only.

Maz

If you do not have anything constructive to say please refrain from making personal attacks this forum can do without people like you

Parthenon

The buses look very old and delapidated. Must be the ones they stole of the GC in 74.

Dave The Impaler

I was about to say the same thing

Maz

I bet they are not road worthy either the police should check these buses they are not fit for our roads, I bet they stink too, I heard aircon is a luxury in the kfc.

HighTide

They do indeed resemble your bus service in the south.

Maz

Correct 50 years ago

HighTide

There are still many antiques on the road.

Grumpy Old Man

There is no hope of any reunification judging by the comments by ordinary people in this and other Cypriot papers. The problem is it’s still within living memory and different versions of ‘the truth’ are being taught in Greek and Turkish Cypriot schools.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

As long as the barbarians celebrate death, there will not be a reunification.

Maz

It’s in their DNA what else do they have to celebrate, what contribution to the world have they made apart from bringing misery and death to millions of innocent people. They’re heathens nothing more

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

I agree, it was not long ago that they were setting fire to Kurd women and children in a basement in Cizre, over 150 perished.

Parthenon

Don’t get me started on this subject. One of the worst I ever read was about the “Bulgarian Horrors” where teenage girls one after the other was beheaded. They were held in a queue & each new what her fate would be. Can you imagine the terror?

HighTide

You forgot to mention Turkey’s fault in recent earthquakes, tsunamis, climate change, droughts in Africa, the locust plague and the commie takeover in Venezuela. I must have forgotten a lot more. Can you help me?

Parthenon

Funny you should say that because the Mayor of Ankara thinks that Earthquakes in Turkey are God’s punishment. Very backward people.

HighTide

Whatever he utters, he is still the elected mayor of a capital, unless the many phantom mayors you have on the payroll in the South.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

According to one of your mayors, the earthquakes were caused by survey vessels.

HighTide

And the earth is flat.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

Tell that to the mayor of Ankara, Mr.Melih Gokcek.

HighTide

Who gives a hoot about this mayor?

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

The Batak massacre, they were also killing the foetus’s of pregnant women, because each infidel they killed, they would have a sin forgiven by their all forgiving allah, and that would guarantee them a place in paradise with their virgins.
Disgusting people.

Parthenon

The really disturbing thing is that they actually think they are respected across the world & that only Greeks & Armenians hate them.

HighTide

Good to know that we all share the same DNA. LOL!

TC-Nas

What would you have preferred to have happened? That the Turks stand idly by while EOKA wiped out all the Cypriot Turks? They were warned what the ramifications would be and did not heed. Every action has a re-action. Its time some of you GC’s start looking at yourselves for some answers and deep soul searching.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

What do you expect the Greek Cypriots do, when they caught the TMT smuggling weapons into Cyprus?
Go and search for Makarios and napalm and see the BBC interview, and stop playing the victim game.

TC-Nas

Every action has a re-action. TMT was formed was formed as a re-action to EOKA. My question still stands. What would you have preferred?

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

EOKA wanted freedom from the British, an easy scapegoat for the Turks to try and justify their atrocious barbarism.

HighTide

For the sake of argument, – eve if you were right, you still ended up as losers.

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

The only losers are the Turkish Cypriots, who were used as pawns, so that Turkey can invade Cyprus and steal it’s land.

HighTide

You are wrong. Land in the TRNC is now owned by Turkish Cypriots.

The Bowler

This had nothing to do with freedom from the British. This was 4 years after independence. What are talking about?

elbmw

Actually, during EOKA and EOKA B. the primary targets were British and Communists for the former and communists/Makarios supporters for the latter. It was rarely if ever the TC’s. They only switched to the TC’s once the invasion was underway.

I was there during the coup and can tell you that as a Greek speaker there was never any doubt that for 5 days we lived in fear and had super patriots going around in jeeps shooting their MGs into the air as they drove past and arresting any Greek for being a suspected communist/socialist and anyone who had pi$$ed them off in some way in the past. Also during the coup, the super patriots had ordered everyone to show their support by flying Greek flags and they said that anyone who did not would be considered a traitor and face the consequences. I remember my mum scrambling to find blue and white material to sow a flag together in a hurry.

So please don’t make wholesale accusations. I would rather that you just voiced your own personal experiences during those times instead of perpetuating the “turkish” viewpoint.

The Bowler

I accept nearly everything that you say. What I do not accept is that the “turks were killed after the invasion”.
They were ethnically cleansed through murder, disenfranchisement, terror, enclavement and rejection for 11 long years. Hundreds died and disappeared.
Please, do not suggest that it all started in 1974

The Bowler

AS long as murderers refer to Turks as “barbarians”, there will never be reunification.

John Aziz Kent Kent

disqus_8q00R7rLO
if there is no reunification at least let us part on frıendly terms but please dont call others what you don’twant to be called BARBARİANS

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

If you think that dropping incendiary devices (Napalm) on old ladies and 16 day old babies isn’t barbaric, then you need medical help.

Soho-Knights

With respect! Hisory! Has named your fatherland barbarians. A glimpse at the behaviour of its past and present history confirms this. Tens of thousand of Turks arrested and both men and women raped and sodomized. Wholesale! With respect! Is this one event not barbaric?

Plasma Dawn

Celebrations of the Tillyria bombing? What depraved people celebrate a bombing that hit residential areas, a hospital, and killed 19 civilians? They should not have been allowed to come.

Brazen

Similar people to those that celebrate EOKA day perhaps?

Plasma Dawn

EOKA was an organization fighting to end the British rule, for independence, and for enosis. It is one thing to celebrate a movement, another thing to celebrate wanton death and destruction. People all over the world celebrate the victory of the Allies in WWII but no one celebrates the bombing of Dresden or Hamburg.

David Wilson

We do in the UK. it saved another 12 months of suffering in WW2

Plasma Dawn

Only depraved people would celebrate the deliberate firebombing of the German cities resulting in the incineration of up to at least 65,000 civilians, an atrocity clearly falling into the realm of crimes against humanity.

anastasia

Well said PD. The bombing of Dresden, a civilian town without any military interest was unnecessary. Moreover the war was over. It was another manifestation of the unfathomable ruthlessness of human nature. Those who celebrate such events belong to a barbaric species.

Plasma Dawn

True. The people who ordered and executed the useless and unnecessary Dresden bombing should have been tried along with the Nazi criminals in Nuremberg.

anastasia

I do agree but rarely do the victors acknowledge and assume their own crimes, let alone try their own criminals. If today ,seven decades after this inferno, there are still people who are celebrating such horrors, imagine the reactions of the public opinion at that time.

anastasia

A nuanced comment PD. .EOKA celebrations should be replaced by a remembrance day and reflection,,. But this is another matter,

Dave The Impaler

Turkey attempted to create a military front line at Kokkina resulting in further conflict which ended with Turkey napalming and strafing Greek Cypriot villages by using NATO fighter bombers. Only the presence of the Russian Navy prevented a Turkish invasion at that time.

Parthenon

Turkey was in no position to invade as no Coup occurred. The Greek forces were united then and reinforced with 15,000 Greek troops. That’s why Turkey resorted to bombing the island.

Dave The Impaler

A bit of useless trivia. One of their planes was shot down and the pilot killed. Apparently theirs a statue of the pilot somewhere in turkey.

Parthenon

Good shot by whoever brought it down!!!

Dave The Impaler

Iv’e just looked him up. Hes name was Cengiz Topel
Wikipedia “A former Turkish Air Force base located near İzmit, currently in use as Cengiz Topel Naval Air Station, is named after him. A monument was erected on the coastal road in the village Gemikonağı near Lefka in Northern Cyprus, where he had landed by parachute. A bronze statue in Eskişehir depicts him in flight suit. A number of places, schools in Turkey and a hospital in Northern Cyprus are named after him.” The irony being he was actually bombing Hospitals.
They are so proud of this guy, he shot down in he’s heavily armed NATO jet bombing one of the smallest counties in the world.

Parthenon

All their “heroes” are war criminals.
Anyone who dies bombing a hospital deserves a place in hell

Muffin the Mule

Russian navy was not there. It was actually the US that stopped Turkey invading in 64. Incidentally, Turkey was a member of NATO then, as was Greece.

Dave The Impaler

US fleet was there at the time and turkey wanted assurances of support from any Russian aggression which also had a fleet near by but that request for support was turned down by the US. As every one knows turks can only fight little counties

Anton Tunç

Turks can fight little countries? 🙂 didint they teach you turks invaded half of europe and middle east ? fought with french russians italians british? have you not heard war of independence against colonial powers? notice i did not name greece as you were right that one is a little country compared to others 🙂

Dave The Impaler

Yes that’s right they defeated the Byzantine just after Byzantines was sacked by the Crusaders. and fought there why up to Vienna right up till they were met by the Polish. As for the war of independence I loved how your army became very brave as soon as the Greeks started to run out of bullets. You should read Bill Clinon’s autobiography ‘My Life’. for details of Turkish cowardice against Greece during the Imia incident. Turkey’s troops quickly left Imia and did nothing when Greek troops landed on the islet and pulled down the Turkish flag.

Parthenon

Not forgetting that Byzantines also fought a long war with Sassanids (Persians) which severely weakened both and Turks took advantage.

John Aziz Kent Kent

Are we tryıng to fınd a CYPRUS BASED ON TRUTH SOLUTION ?
OR AR WE GOING TO ARGUE WHO THE HELL WAS STRONGER
AND CRAZIEST FIGHTER DURING THE LAST 200 YEARS PLEASE WAKE UP MR Dave the İmpaler you try and read more real hıstory
İnstead of MITHOLOGY that chıldren read you mıght grow up

ROC

Lets not forget the Armenian slaughter too ? Hmmmmm

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

And Greek, and Syrian genocides.

Vlora

Is any amicable solution possible ?

mustafa balci

You have to respect the each side dead that’s decency and hopefully we never this kind of think again on this island

Vlora

Yes.

ROC

spot on

Vaso

How a people can celebrate death i don’t know! And the TCs wonder why there has been no reunification of the island!

Parthenon

Allowing the Turks to celebrate dropping napalm on a hospital killing many GCs is an absolute outrage.
These buses should have been stopped from crossing. They have no right to celebrate their crimes by crossing through the free areas of the UN recognised RoC!

Chances of them being TCs is small. Most will be illegale Turkish settlers fo r a day out and supporting Erdogans regime.
Its all Turkish anti GC propaganda kept alive.

Muffin the Mule

This is not exactly a ‘celebration’ of the bombing but one of relief that a TC enclave survived the onslaught of attack by GC.
Fundamentally, this celebration on both sides of events such as this, is precisely why they will never be a solution of one state but two.

Dwelling on past glories or battles, massacres et al, is an ever present pastime in Cyprus.

Sotiris Stavvy Georgiou

And yet you try to justify it.

Vlora

For a good future, often one needs to “let it go” .

Vlora

I am sorry Muffin,I saw you comment now. I have posted the same opinion above

It seems to be a very bitter reality that never ending feelings of venom and living with the brackishness will not lead to any positive future eventually.

Quasimodo

GCs don’t celebrate the killings of any TCs as Turks do on this occasion

Vlora

Through this continued hatred you are blocking all the ways to peace and an amicable solution. Have you ever thought about it seriously that a positive future is better than a bitter past.

SuzieQ

Love your last sentence!

Vlora

Hey Suzie mou, till when all will live in past?’Let it go’ is the best policy in life as well as in politics .Germany is the strongest most country after her reunification. We have many examples of success if we wish to see.
How are you doing? I like your positive attitude and your smiling face( seems so) always.It is rare to see some happy people like you around.God Bless

SuzieQ

I AM happy and smiling, thank you. I enjoy my life in Cyprus, have a wonderful family here, in France and the U.K., so why be miserable? I’m in good health and great friends so am happy with my lot in life. It’s such a pity that some on here seem to show total disregard for the thoughts, statements and feelings of others. Are you keeping quite well?

Parthenon

This is not a forum for personal liasons. I suggest you exchange emails.

SuzieQ

I suggest you take a running jump, but thanks for confirming my views about morons like you!

Parthenon

I like you too.

Neroli

Too many of them about Suzie!

disqus_8q00vR7rLQ

Pot, kettle, black.

Vlora

Very glad to hear it.Stay blessed.I think,I ‘m a positive person too 🙁 but may be a with a tinge of a philosopher in me as people who know me tell me:(((

As life touches us once so I believe that past should be condoned and future needs to looked after .Today is to be enjoyed with goodness of soul . This place is my home now ,so definitely the mindless and cruel thoughts and their expressions make me very sad.

I,however have my happiness in my small but a beautiful garden, my library of books and music and definitely in my work too.But my books are my best friends. I like the world of “connection” and ESP.And that your positive outlook here is an inspiration to me.Even if I retreat from CM,I would love to stay in touch with you.Really!!!:))))

SuzieQ

And I with you!

Vlora

:)))))))))Super!!!!

Parthenon

Just a few weeks ago the TCs stopped GCs from going to a village to pray in a church!!! Yet we allow them to cross to celebrate napalm being dropped on a hospital!!!
They are the ones full of hate!!!!!!!

Vlora

it must be small an incident as not reported in reliable media. Like CM or in CNN.

Parthenon

What was a small incident? Learn to write clearly.

Vlora

Incident of few weeks ago.

Parthenon

Just reply to the point.
Was it hate that stopped the TCs from allowing the GCs to pray in a village? A simple yes or no will do.

Vlora

Reaction.

Parthenon

Whaaaatttt???
Reaction to what??

Vlora

Learn to understand the views/responses with reference to context.
Better to stay on point with me instead of showing personal tantrums.

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