E3 is less than two months away, which means it's open season for rumours and leaks. Not everyone with a 'source' is worth acknowledging, but some have gone through 'mod' checks and been backed up by other consistently accurate insiders, so they're tougher to ignore.

Of course, all rumours are read at your own discretion, but what we will say here is that this particular rumour touches upon what could be a key selling point of the Nintendo NX, if it's true. In any case, those that don't want the surprise ruined should look away now; that's not an option for your humble writer. So here's your warning, and the cool video below showing the evolution of Nintendo controllers up to Wii U serves as another break before the information comes.

Still reading? The source is the same NeoGAF user - 10K - that wrote about potential Wii U remasters for NX, claims backed up by others citing their sources. Of course, these are still rumours to be treated with salt as 10K themselves acknowledge. They've also tiered their claims based on the number of reported sources.

The NX gimmick, which is apparently from three sources, is claimed to be a screen controller that is essentially a shell that uses improved GamePad technology, but is capable of being played anywhere (presumably through Wi-Fi and network services).

The NX is going to have a screen controller (whether it's optional or standard I don't know) and can be used anywhere to play your home console games. The controller itself will not have any processing capabilities, it'll essentially be a dummy vita. It'll likely have basic OS functions to access the NX console from anywhere, like a tiny cpu. Nintendo will use enhanced Wii U gamepad streaming tech, and allow the controller to be taken anywhere, connect to the NX console at home (likely through Wi-fi or personal hotspots and the NX console will likely have to be in stand-by mode). Basically, it's remote play built into the box and won't require a $200 add-on to experience it. This is likely what Kimishima meant in his interview with Sankei (http://www.sankei.com/west/news/1601...030012-n1.html) "different way to play with a dedicated machine" and the whole "new way to experience games" mantra that's been going around Nintendo PR.

The challenge with this would be selling the idea of users connecting online to play, not to mention achieving a solid streaming performance. Perhaps Nintendo would offer a service or accessory that links into various networks (like 3D services in Kindle e-readers, but on a whole new level), and this wouldn't necessarily rule out a separate standalone portable. Again though, it's a rumour.

The next rumour is around a major game project which even points to one of our own articles - this is claimed to be from two sources.

Luigi's Mansion 3 is in development for NX. This rumor gained popularity awhile ago from Geno but this isn't my source. This was a T1 to start but today I got another source to give some info on it. Two different sources have told me that it is in development for NX, and one source said it's being developed by Next Level Games, who is big enough to do this and Federation Force at the same time. One source said it started as a Wii U game but ever the disappointing performance of the Wii U and the scheduled release date for the game being late in the console's cycle, Nintendo decided to switch development over to NX. (basically the same situation as Zelda for Wii U, but no word on if this game will also get a Wii U version). The other source said it's a pretty big deal (he didn't elaborate if he meant Nintendo is making it a big deal or his workplace is). To support this, http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201...edits_the_post, an employee stealth edited his post last year.

We're going to largely leave out the single source rumours. In summary, though, they reference the NX being more powerful that PS4 and potentially "it could be close to the PS4K rumored specs". Hit up the source link below if you want to read that part about CPU and GPU specifics.

These are all rumours, of course, though we'd suggest that nothing here is outlandish, and for our part we've been banging on about NX likely having a portable element for a long time, as have many others.

So what do you think of this latest round of rumours. Feasible? Nonsense? Let us know.

Sounds like another gimmick that is likely to make or break nintendo again as usual. Can we get one console generation where nintendo tries to fit in? The exclusive games alone will win over customers. Just streamline the rewards system and an achievement system. Include internet play with all games and take chances on new IP. Nobody hates nintendo but with the wii u it was the cheap looking gamepad that kept me from getting for so long and ultimately I took the leap cause mario kart 8 looked so good. Get up and fight back Nintendo. You can beat ps and xbox but you have to try hard and try smart!

Oh yes! Luigis Mansion 3 is very credible! The remote controller is also credible. I'm happy with these rumours.Also, specs higher than Ps4 is also very credible as 2 years is a long time in computing.

Just making a slightly better gamepad that works over the internet rather than the Wii U's local wireless just isn't going to cut it.

If this replaces their portable division, thats going to mean an end to gaming on the go for a lot of people. I'm not tethering my NX controller to my phone and using my limited monthly data for games that should be stored on the portable system itself. Nor am I buying a separate data tariff for the NX controller.

Hope this rumour turns out to be untrue.

If this turns out to be true and we find out its Miyamotos fault again, we're gonna have to have serious words about whether he's fit to be in charge of things anymore.

It would have to have a bit more than just a tiny cpu to handle streaming from anywhere and basic OS functions. It would have to run it's own software. Hopefully at least that part isn't true. If its a take-anywhere device it's a real handheld with these functions. Powerful ARM based SOC are cheap.

@cfgk24 I love it to now. Makes for a great way to play games while the wife hogs the tv for her reality tv. My point though was that i was scared to buy the wii u cause I thought I would rage quit a game and break the tablet easily lol

@A01 Agreed. I hope this isn't true. At least in this exact form. Maybe that's just how the dev kit for the home console works so developers can prepare for it, but don't have access to the actual entire handheld yet. It could just be that a portable in deveopment has these functions, but isn't ready for developers yet. It does say that he doesn't know if the part with a screen is required or not. So that's at least a possibility I think.

Here is my theory, the NX will be able to be used as a steam box running version of the SteamOS. With that functionality gamers can play their PC libraries on their NX. Nintendo is surely noticing the huge growth in Japanese PC games over the past couple of years. It would be smart of them to jump onto that market.

When Nintendo says 'new concept' I believe it will be something new (unless Nintendo are lying as much as a Sony tech demo...but I doubt that - nothing lies that much!). So until I read a rumour that is something I have never even heard of before...I will dismiss it thanks

a reminder of how much of a failure the wii U has been for nintendo, not for the fans but for their bottom line. these rumours amount to a wii U 2.0, so i'd be increasingly worried for the future of the company if they're true.

Luigis Mansion 3 is a no brainer, less rumour, more it was going to happen eventually. Just like Pikman 4.

Gamepad over Wi-Fi is what Wii U should have had in the first place, adding it in now will just make this look like Wii U 2, and that is very disappointing. They would need to add in free cell phone networks just to start making this intetesting. It's not bad over WiFi, it's just that it should have been there 4 years ago. Fixing a 4 year old mistake isn't inovation, it's a firmware upgrade.

And if it was a great idea, Vita would have sold better. And PS TV would have sold some.

This isn't bad to have, but it can't be the selling point any more than Miiverse was.

Luigis Mansion 3 and Pikman 4 at launch may mean we have to buy an NX though.

Remote Play is great in theory, but can be somewhat tricky in execution. I've yet to get a good gameplay experience on my Vita using it, and I have relatively fast internet at my home (fast enough to play PS Now games, for instance, and to almost never experience a hitch when streaming video content). Even if it did work perfectly, though, this would still mean that you can only play games at places with a strong wi-fi network, which takes away most of the appeal of a handheld to me.

If this Wii U 2.0 really turns out to be Nintendo's new console, then I'm probably going to have to pass on it. At least, for the foreseeable future.

Is it a good gimmick or a bad one? People call the Wii U and 3DS a little gimmicky, but I think that they are great. As for Luigi's Mansion 3, I think it's plausible, but so is any series sequel that could make money. E3 can't come soon enough.

The whole thing is so frustrating... Most (if not all) the exclusives on the Wii U are already awesome: great graphics (especially if you don't mind the whole resolution thing) AND they play REALLY well, boasting performance you hardly see on PS4 and XBox One titles.

I don't want to buy an NX so soon. I am absolutely fine (and actually just want to keep) playing Nintendo exclusives on my Nintendo console, which is totally fine as it is. If Nintendo releases the NX so soon, hoping to regain third party support, it will definitely blow. Shame, really...

I'm not buying an NX in either case. I feel like I just bought the Wii U and I bought it when it first came out. Sorry Nintendo, but you fooled me once... I won't buy an NX for 2 years after it is out, if at all.

@Mr_Zurkon Because it's not good enough. The screen is terrible, the GamePad's rumble is terrible and the video compression is terrible (especially the reds). Also the head phone port is pretty bad. These things pretty much mean that I try to avoid the GamePad whenever possible.

I'm pretty sure that Kimishima said that the NX would be something completely different to the Wii u and wanted to get away from the Wii branding so I would be surprised if there was a screen involved with the controller as that would very much link it to the Wii u. They've not done anything particularly exciting with the second screen which shows that as a feature a second screen has limited use

Always online play via streaming? Not keen on that, would require a super stable connection. Although I have no idea how that would work, so will just wait and see. If the conroller/mini monitor has basic OS functions, there has to be some processing power, right?

If this controller business is true, then I'll stick with the 3DS for any on-the-go gaming. I don't believe in using my data plan any more then I have to when on the road. I'm not going to carry the NX around and search for a hotspot. Would I buy the system if this turns out to be true? As with all systems, it depends on the games. Knowing Nintendo, they'll come out with something that makes me but, but I will treat it as just a home console.

maybe this is a dumb question (probably), but i'm not sure how to read "screen controller." will there be actual buttons? because i've never really bought into phone/tablet gaming - screen controls will NEVER compare to gaming with actual buttons. it just doesn't work as well.

this doesn't sound good to me. i love my 3ds, i loved using my kids' vitas, love my consoles, but i'm not interested in a portable tethered to a console that eats data or requires Wi-Fi. i can't afford the data, and tethered to Wi-Fi isn't really mobile in many places. and i live in a large city.

@Acein210The first Nintendo system to have a controller that was closest to the competition was the SNES.The competition focused on 6 face buttons, 360 degree circular D-pads and other features to better arcade play (including MD/Genesis).

SNES controller was mocked by the competition and developers for having only 4 face buttons in diamond shape, two shoulder buttons, and a basic D-pad. Sega, NeoGeo, 3Do, Turbographx all ran ads about how SNES controller focused on gimmicks instead of tried and true play.

MD/Genesis, CDX, NeoGeo, 3DO, and Turbo-Graphix 16/CD combined outsold the SNES with MD/Genesis and CDX sell within a few million of SNES.

Nintendo 64 controller had all the buttons of the original PS1 controller, the second PS1 controller and both Saturn controllers.

Only PS1's 3rd controller, Dual Shock 1, New 3DO and Jaguar had more buttons than Nintendo 64.

Nintendo 64 also had C-buttons, Z-button and Analog stick which most 3rd parties were hesitant to use over tried and true method.

Sony and Sega hit home on how Nintendo 64 controller had unwanted gimmicks in a lot of ads.

Gamecube only has one less shoulder button and no select button compared to the competition, but had superior triggers. Yet the competition had a field day with it.

Wii U gamepad has all the buttons that PS4 and Xbox One has and extra inputs.

No one truly cares about Nintendo's controllers unless it adds a useful new feature that Sony can claim.

So yeah Nintendo has never matched the competition with features until this gen...

This new controller if true, could finally address the complaints about 3rd parties not being able to customize the physical inputs on PS4 and Xbox One to suit their games.

If all the rumors are true that it has haptic feedback for the screen and allows you to assign inputs anywhere on the screen, then it should do wonders for gaming.

As for playing console games via WIFI and system streaming, it probably would be a better hit than Wii U.

I mean Sony has been touting Remote Play heavily in advertisements for PS4. Sony has been pushing the "You can play PS4 anywhere" and "You don't need to be home to play PS4" a lot the past year. They used it last E3, TGS, Gamescon and even this past GDC.

You see it in store displays, the PS4 demo units advertise it with the Vita right next to PS4 to show it off. Many of their TV and Radio ads show off the Remote Play. Their internet ads are also big on Remote Play.

Sony has been pushing hard that you are "chained" to your TV to play Xbox One and Wii U.

PS4 fans have been following suit on many sites, publishing articles about it and posting it on forums including IGN, Gamespot and NeoGaf.

Nintendo can now capitalize on Sony's big marketing push with Remote Play as PS4's killer feature.

Hopefully that streaming feature isn't a replacement for their entire portable line. I'd still want the dedicated portable unit, or, if that's not happening, a fully dedicated portable separate from NX.

@Acein210 Nintendo tries harder and is smarter than both, if the Wii U was as strong as the PS4(not the dumb Xbox though), it would have sold more than the wii, the only problem is that people were dumb to understand the console, third parties runned away from it after not selling well, and Nintendo said:" screw it, let's focus on the 3DS and NX and give less support than ever"

Well, if Nintendo shoots satelites in the air to which we can connect our NX controllers free of charge and play on the go I'm sold. Otherwise I'm not looking forward to pay for mobile data to stream games - that would be expensive. And not every place has a wifi. I usually play 3ds during the long vehicle-travel periods - would be able to connect the apparent portable NX to play for free in places like this. Well, let's wait and see

@A01 Did you read the article? No where did it say this would replace the 3DS, in fact, Nintendo has said the 3DS won't be going anywhere for a while. The gamepad would simply offer a way to play your console games on the go, much like the Vita does for the PS4. Stop shouting doom and gloom over something you don't understand.

sounds good to me.i need to get some facts so i know if i have to keep some money's on the side every month from now on,that way i can buy it at launch but im realy not that rich so i dont wanna do it if nx is stupid.i need some facts nintendo!

@CharinzardonWii U would have sold marginally better at best if it matched PS4 in specs and cost a lot more than PS4.

1)Nintendo has always been viewed/labeled as a kiddy and "casual" company in the West and Western "hardcore" gamers do not want to identify with any company that has those labels and makes games for everyone. This dates back to NES.

Add in the fact that Nintendo is now seen as being for Women, that hurts them further in the eyes of Western "hardcore" gamers that Sony and Microsoft exclusively cater their system too. Also Western 3rd parties, Konami and Square are heavily invested in providing games for those Western "hardcore" gamers (the majority of their profits come from them).

2)Nintendo systems have a very long history of sell T and E rated games instead of primarily M rated games like Sony and Microsoft do.

3)Nintendo games and systems are seen for having loads of bright colors and animated type games which the West deems as Childish. I mean I love the bright colors but most gamers I know hate them in their games.Realistic and M-rated games are seen as being for adults in the West.

4) Most 3rd parties have trouble selling their games on Nintendo systems, even killing their own sales by offering a better package of the same games on other systems.

As long as 3rd parties believe they can't sell games on Nintendo systems, they won't take the systems seriously.

Those 4 issues (if you can call them that) are why Western side of gaming won't bother with Nintendo.

@Xenocity I kinda wish I remembered where I heard it. It was cited by multiple sources addressing the concern that NX will replace Wii U. Well, either way I've got plans to make if NX is anything like I anticipate it to be.

@Xenocity Why on earth is the fact that Nintendo is now seen as being for Women, hurts them further in the eyes of Western "hardcore" gamers that Sony and Microsoft exclusively cater their system too? What nonsense is this? A hardcore Western gamer is more than happy to share his gameplay experience with a woman.

Last year or the year before Nintendo merged their two hardware divisions. The handheld and console hardware teams are now one big team.

Since the NX was first mentioned by Iwata, the first rumours focused on the idea of a two part system, a console and handheld that worked together but could operate independently. And this 'feature' or 'setup' is one thing thats remained constant among pretty much all rumours about the NX so far. It may still turn out to be untrue. But just because this article doesn't mention it specifically, doesn't mean you need to dismiss the point entirely. Check other posts about the NX, the two part rumour is pretty damn persistent.

Nintendo also said they wouldn't discontinue the Gameboy series when the DS series of systems launched and look what happened there. They're not going to have two competing handhelds on the market unless they're direct successors.

@Xenocity I believe you were actually making a case FOR Nintendo's joypads, but it comes across as the opposite. Either way, I personally find Nintendo's innovations on game controllers to be far superior to the competition 9 out of 10 times, and most of the time it was them who invented a change, and the competition only copied and sometimes improved upon it, so may very well be that this new controller will do the same.

And your point about when Nintendo was first seen as kiddy or casual is wrong: back in the 8- and 16-bit days both Nintendo's and Sega's platforms were equally versatile, except there weren't those distinctions yet. More likely, because of how the media and parents looked at it, all consoles and video games were seen as a kid's hobby. The whole kiddy vs hardcore issue really started to take off during the N64 days.

The only way this will not suck is if purchasing a game means you can play it directly from servers rather than having to remote access your console at home. I use remote play a lot with my PS4 and having a playable experience outside of the house is really rare.

That being said I just don't see Nintendo having the infrastructure to serve games directly from the Internet.

Not sure how I feel about it. As long as its smaller than the gamepad, I like the idea of a screen in the controller. I hope that means backwards compatibility. But this half step between a true hybrid console just sounds like it will hurt the sales of their actual handheld line. Hmm

To be honest this site is becoming more and more "pick your rumors and sensationalism" rather than a "professional nintendo news magazine"... oh well, this is getting out of control really, all these rumors, with almost a new one every week, are meaningless and are beginning to feel like click-bait journalism... anyway, i just hope this next console really improves the sales for Nintendo

@Mr_Zurkon gamepad was selling point for me. It's the best controller I ever had and my kids would easily agree! Playing now on my Xbox controller is ridiculous. And Off TV play is the greatest thing ever that could happened to home console gaming. And people complaining about its size apparently didn't have one in their hands

@RandomNerds well the source doesn't seem to "confirm" only suggests the game plays off the NX when your on the go.

Its worth pointing out NERD (Nintendo of Europe Research and Development) has been working on cloud gaming for some time now (turns out NERD are responsible for Wii and DS VC on Wii U http://www.nerd.nintendo.com/ )

@NintendoFan64 I cant wait to finally move past these rumours and we can see what's coming our way... unless all those people predicting 2017 at an extreme earliest are right, might not see it at e3.

for clarity I don't believe Nintendo will wait till 2017, I also don't think Nintendo will do their traditional announce at one E3, Show again at the following E3 then launch that Christmas. If they are so worried about people ripping them off this time wating 17 months after announcing seems somewhat counter intuitive lol

Why are people upset about this "gimmick" that's barely even a gimmick? Unlimited Off-TV play is a great feature and I'm pretty sure this "GamePad" thing isn't even going to be used in games. It'll literally just be used for Off-TV play. If this is true, I am hyped!

Luigi's Mansion 3 is cool as well. I'm hoping they lean closer to the more open and dark, scary environment of the first game as opposed to Dark Moon. Keep the gameplay from 2 though.

I hope the rumours of a second screen are true. I was skeptical of it and sure it hasn't really been used outside of Super Mario Maker and ZombiU. But I think it has as yet untapped potential and I like it for browsing and for Off-TV play.

The NX has to be as powerful as the PS4K or talk will once again be about an underpowered Nintendo console and ignored by a large sway of the market.

@DBPirate I agree with you. I would argue that off-screen play is one of the only real new feature to come in this console generation. Everything else is just "better" but not new or innovative. (not counting PS VR or Hololense)

@CosatsActual NPD and EEDAR numbers repeatedly show that western males 15-35 don't want to game and/or identify with anyone outside of that group. It's also widely believed by 3rd parties, Sony and Microsoft that women only want to play games with bright colors and hate violence.They only want to play games like The Sims, Cooking Mama, Mario, Candy Crush and Animal Crossing. If all the data is believed.

Sony to make Vita to appeal to women released a dog adventure game and Pink Vita and advertised it as gaming for Women. They did the same thing for PS2, PS3, PSP. Microsoft made Pink Xboxes and Xbox 360s to counter they only cater to men.

@TheRealThanosActually prefer Nintendo's take but it's no big secret on how 3rd parties and the competition see it.

Also Sega went crazy with marketing SMS and Genesis as the system for the "hardcore" and for those who want "mature" games instead of Nintendo's kiddy and "casual" games.Sega went crazy talking about Genesis being for you and SNES for your little brother and parents.

Wow okay looks like a new YouTube videos tonight haha, I'm not really sure right now this doesn't sound like it will replace my 3ds if it requires (what is presumably) a solid internet connection what about car journeys, camping, IN A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY?! Sounds like it is a home console with the ability to continue playing it as a homeconsole on a smaller screen as long as the internet is good enough. But there'll be plenty people who won't have a good enough internet connection for this to work flawlessly Yeah the new 3ds is here to stay for a while it's hardly been used and I'm pretty sure gamefreak saw how useful the remote play features are and decided to just use the 3ds as it's probably far better for portability I doubt Nintendo wouldn't how gamefreak the NX if they knew gamefreak would release the game probably after the NX came out! They'd want a massive game like Pokémon on the NX anyway my video tonight will be in far more detail than this comment haha

@Fillupmycup You don't need an entire SOC to have something that'll display a logo/start screen and initiate a connection. An esp8266 would do it, and they're less than 2 dollars. Their specialised video decoder chip would do the rest (apart from sending button/gyro data). It's what they did with the Wii U.

Having said that, I agree with you - a cheap SOC would at least let you do something while offline, and I've argued in other places that they messed up by not including one with the Wii U. GBC virtual console maybe, or some minigames or whatever. This looks like they're going the same 'useless unless connected' route, which is disappointing. Probably even though a SOC might only cost 5 dollars, it'd add too much more extra cost to include the necessary storage and RAM and extra complexity (extra layers?) on the circuit board, and it just wasn't worth it.

Having said that, I'd be happy with this controller. Though I'd rarely take it out of the house, having true off-TV play within range of my home network would be a big step up, and I like the Wii U gamepad. Let's hope this one actually looks cool this time...

(one thing I will miss though, is the miiverse artwork. I reckon they'll ditch the resistive touchscreen+stylus this time and go multitouch-but-less-precise capacitive..)

I figure the next handheld will be pretty much the same as this, with all the same features, but will have its own CPU, GPU, storage, etc. It'll be standalone like any traditional handheld, but have 'NX controller capability' as part of its feature set.

Yesss, more off-tv play! I usually can only play on the Wii U Gamepad, so this pretty much sells the NX for me. I'm also more of a handheld kind of guy, so taking console games on the go sounds awesome! (crosses fingers for Super Mario Galaxy 3)

If this is the way they go then my Nintendo days are over.I had every console so far but the home consoles don't keep me more than first couple of years but the handheld consoles keep me in past their life cycle.This means the end of portable gaming for me... It's impossible when travelling in the car, tube, coach, plane to stream from a home console let alone when you are in a different country.

I hope they keep this streaming as an optional thing and have a separate self powered traditional portable console that somehow connects to the home console.

@Xenocity Could have been different over in the States, but over here in Europe, Sega was more geared towards sports and racing games, and Nintendo more all-round, but the commercials mostly pointed out that Sega was slightly edgier and Nintendo had the better system. (since Blast processing was a load of hogwash)
"Xbox 1.5 is rumored to be 2x more powerful than PS4k"
That is indeed only a rumor, mostly discussed on NeoGAF, but based on nothing. Microsoft has been decidedly quiet on the whole thing and there are even reports that they are going to drop the upgrade altogether.

@electrolite77 "So the big USP of NX is something Sony already do? I'm not convinced at all."
There is nothing as of yet, so a bit early to judge, methinks...

Also, the GameCube controller did have the extra buttons underneath the triggers, and the triggers were pressure sensitive, so not truly analog, but still quite responsive and the buttons underneath the triggers made up for the missing ones underneath the sticks.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE "The NX has to be as powerful as the PS4K or talk will once again be about an underpowered Nintendo console and ignored by a large sway of the market."
Complete nonsense. The PS4K is PRIMARILY geared towards the people willing to shell out the cash to buy a PSVR plus camera, so we're talking about a total package costing around a $1000 here, the PS4K included. And that puts it firmly in a smaller corner of the market of VR enthusiasts, new adopters and rich people or crazy collectors.

It is definitely NOT going to be the main platform for Sony, though. They will more than likely promote it as THE must-have for 4K media as well besides the VR thing, but they are not going to shaft 40+ million PS4 owners and develop a whole bunch of games exclusively for the PS4K. As a new Playstation adapter, you will probably benefit from having one because it could upscale games or play some of the more demanding games that the current PS4 is still struggling with in the frame rate department more fluently, but other than that, it is not going to be a threat to Nintendo. (or Microsoft, for that matter)

I really like this idea, but I'm just worried that this will drive the cost of the system too high. I hope this is real, but just an optional add-on. As in, you can buy a system bundle with this controller for $350, or just the system itself for $250. We'll just have to wait and see what Nintendo does.

Just saw a YouTube video of this. Certainly intriguing! Nintendo really needs to come out and unveil this thing already, these leaks and rumours are getting out of hand - it's only a matter of time before some really serious leakage occurs. :/

I'm liking what I hear, but I do not like the need for wifi in order to play on the go. I get why this is necessary, but if this is to be a home/ mobile hybrid, there should be some offline features. However, this isn't a deal breaker for me.

So many rumours are coming from everywhere. It might be best that Nintendo reveal this early and impress people before they make up their minds and hate it before they see it. I should be realistic and accept that Nintendo does not make decisions based on the customers or public interest. They think they can hide this but I believe we'll see it and judge it before they will. Electronics and social media have evolved too much for Old Nintendo to keep this concealed. You won't have to wait until E3 because you know deep down someone is going to get a snap shot and it will spread everywhere. There's just so much smoke there has to be fire in some of these rumours. Nintendo should just go ahead and show us. TV SPOILER!!! Don't make the same mistake as the Walking Dead. We will know who Negan killed before next season. They were foolish not to show who it was because they can't hide it. They pissed off tons of fans by them not knowing but they will ultimately and definitely have their thunder stolen by a leak. Electronics and social media will prevent any drawn out secret more often than not. Show us something now and save the best stuff for E3.

Hmm, dunno if I'd feel totally secure leaving my NX on while I'm outside playing the games. I'm the sort of guy who turns everything off from the plug before bed and leaves nothing on while I go out so might just be me.

Then again, I only really take a 3DS or 2 out to nab some new Streetpasses so it would probably be the same for this if the controller has streetpass. XD

Be interesting to see what handheld franchise like Pokemon do with this if it truly replaces having a solo handheld system. On the one hand you'll have that super lovely looking graphics but on the other it would really need for battles and trading to be possible locally not just online. Me things the 3DS is going to be here awhile longer (Hence Sun and Moon being 3DS titles thus launching gen 7 on the system) much like the DS and GBA continued while their successors were first release up till Nintendo truly feels they can cease 3DS game development and rely on NX solely....

Now, I don't think the touch screen controller is the point of NX - I think it is there for two reasons:a)if Wii U games emulated Virtual Console will become a thing, a touch screen controller will be needed. Such a controller is also very useful for DS/3DS Virtual Console;b)many development teams now know how to properly use a touch screen controller, so it makes sense to continue to have one with the NX.In the same way as the Wii remote was supported by Wii U but was not the Wii U's main selling point, I think the NX will support an improved touch screen controller, but that will not be the NX's selling point.

It is extremely short-sighted to see the NX as a Wii U 2 purely based upon the possible presence of a touch screen, so all I can do is shake my head at people believing that. Very, VERY short-sighted... @Mister_Wu makes some excellent points to prove why it could (and/or should)be included with NX, so he gets a +1 for being level headed and using his brain...

@Angelic_Lapras_King technically, there is no reason the NX would have to be switched on if the game resides on a server. The same could be said for game progress. If the handheld/controller part of the console could sync with the main unit, then the game on the go could take the data from the handheld and you'd be able to go from there.

But only two more months to go, so we'll know soon enough. I'm almost certain we'll hear something right after the investor meeting on the 27th.

I chose not to read anything and hope Nintendo will reveal it at E3 without me finding out beforehand. I remember when the Wii was first revealed everyone was queuing up for absolutely ages to give it a try. It would be great if Nintendo could pull this off all over again.

Lol I couldn't resist reading, well I tried to! The signal reach of the Wii U gamepad is very limited! It doesn't even work in most of my house, not even my bedroom (which is directly above the living room!)

First of all, IF this is true this is great. What exact is the problem here?

We've had a pretty good idea for a long time that NX would use a more normal sized controller, but maintain the screen for auxiliary and secondary screen functions.

Basically this is how the Wii U should have been- A normal and comfortable controller that just happens to have a screen on it they can be used to display secondary information- NOT the main focus.

I can't imagine why anybody would be against this. This is basically taking what's good from Wii U and ditching the rest. I think we've long passed the era of simple controllers. Every platform going forward should have a built in screen. BUT, it should not be a giant tablet controller either. Normal sized, feels just like a regular controller, just happens to provide second screen functions as well. There's no reason not to keep the screen on every controller going forward. Is long as they keep it to secondary functions and don't spotlight it as the main focus like they did with Wii U. Inventory management, maps, off TV play. That's it. And 100% optional.

@TheRealThanosIf this full rumor is true, look at all the concerns that will be resolved

1) PowerOn par with the estimated strength of PS4K

2) 3rd Party SupportDue to the power and architecture, easy ports will bring 3rd party support. Multiple sources saying Final Fantasy XV, PS4 games being ported, etc

3) Off-TV and Remote PlayNo $200 handheld + $100 memcard needed. Remote play out of the box. Near-zero lag Off-TV play out of the box

4) Supplementary Screen RetainedDitching the bulky, tablet controller with a main focus on the second screen in favor of a normal sized controller that retains a slick screen on it and isn't the main focus, is perfect. We can continue reaping the benefits of playing Zelda with real-time inventory management or Monster Hunter with a map present, without having to tolerate games that make it the focal point.

That's the big 3 right there. And all of them would be sufficiently addressed. Let's hope this rumor proves true

@JaxonH Here's hoping, my friend, although a healthy dose of realism unfortunately reminds me that Nintendo does have a tendency to NOT check all the boxes every time, so somehow I'm expecting there to be something left to be desired, but I hope I'm wrong and we will once again see them return to form.

@TheRealThanos
Ya, that's because of the last 2 generations. Extremely different and lacking in features. So we are naturally going to be a little skeptical.

But, with Mr. K at the helm I think he's going to steer the NX ship good and proper for us. After all, he foretold the Wii U's fate before it even launched. So I am confident he will see NX done right. And if this rumor does prove true we should definitely credit Iwata for having the gall to ditch the blue ocean for this next go-around... Of course that is not to say that casual and mobile gamers cannot enjoy a good console- just look at all the sales of 360/PS3, and even PS4 that are not due to core gamers.

I think anyone expecting a Wii U 2.0 will end up being disappointed. Nintendo isn't going to repeat such a colossal failure twice in a row. And if there's going to be a screen on the controller, I think it's going to be sold separately.

I think Nintendo is missing big by using Wi-Fi to connect the controller to the system. It forgets: Nintendo lovers and 20somethings of this generation LOVE retro. Why not have 25-mi long cables? There's nothing more retro than these badboys. Wi-Fi wouldn't be an issue. There would be no issue with latency. And if a gamer decides to go further, they can get another cable and attach it to double/triple/etc. the length. I see nothing wrong with this picture.

@JaxonH Yes, if you're out and about 25 mile-long cable should do the trick, no? If not, you can get a second one: I'm sure 50 miles should suffice. For those frequently on plane rides, I'm sure they could sell a special pack.

Assumimg this is true, I'm afraid this controller won't help with the retail price. However, if they're planning on ending standalone portables after the 3DS and this does end up being the hybrid people have speculated, AND if the streaming works well, then it could be well worth the price.

@TheRealThanos I get what you're saying but it's not how it will be perceived. You must know what the internet is like. Nintendo have to get back into the hardware race to be taken seriously. It's partly why they've lost so much ground.

Im pretty sure Nintendo has learned their lesson with 3rd party and few games I expect a SNES libary with 1st and 3rd party games. If launch games are good then this will be my first day launch console purchase

Computing improvents don't happen that fast anymore. The 6th generation i7, is 10% faster than the 5th gen i7 and is a year newer. Plus, it's very likely with Nintendo's size obsession that the NX will be 1/2 the size the PS4. So no, I don't find the NX has more power than the PS4 credible.

I live in the country, my internet is 1.5 Mbps. It's a useless feature for me. I'm lucky if my internet allows me to stream 240p off youtube. We'll see if the controller has actual buttons or if you can use a pro type controller I guess.

I still don't see how this fixes the third party problems. The Gamecube was far more powerful than the PS2 and was when 3rd parties really started leaving Nintendo. Part of the problem is asymmetrical hardware. Some third parties won't want to work on the NX because they'll feel that they need to do something useful with the 2nd screen and won't want to put in the effort. Nintendo also seems to be very behind with letting third parties get in on the hardware. So it's unlikely third parties will be there in force at launch. Then the question is will they just wait and see if the NX sells. And if the NX doesn't sell, why would they put effort into it?

Gonna pour salt all over the first rumour. Really hoping it's wrong. I. Hate. Streaming. Portable gaming, for me at least, is gaming where there's nothing to do. Not even wifi. Dr's offices don't have wifi. My car does not have wifi. I game in the most bored of situations so, this would pretty much be useless to me. As for the second, I could care less about Luigi's Mansion. Hooray for those it excites.

...I think this just means I'll now be able to walk around the house and my new gamepad will let me play, off tv, through my router and not force me to be Right In Front Of The Damn System...good idea Nintendo...

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Oh, no one with any kind of common sense is going to deny that it is definitely going to be an uphill battle, but if anything, Nintendo is the only one of the three parties that will be up for such a challenge. Microsoft isn't and could care less, since it's far from their most important source of income, and in Sony's case it actually IS one of their most important sources, but still it would not kill them if it would end up being less successful.

For Nintendo it is literally all or nothing, since it is their core business, and they have never failed twice in a row, depending how you perceive failures. Business wise, they've only failed once big time, and that was with the Virtual Boy. With all of their other consoles they have still managed to squeeze out a profit, no matter how modest, they are still more stable than any other company, regardless of public perception.

I think they will hit the nail on the head this time, and even though only time will tell if my feelings are correct, it is fully in line with their track record, hence my cautious optimism.

We don't really know how many consoles had a loss since Nintendo doesn't break apart console/handheld. I mean they finally started making money, but I'd be surprised if they end up making money off the Wii U over i's lifetime as they certainly made a bunch of money over the same time period with the 3DS and yet had losses the first couple of Wii U years.

Really almost everywhere (except your car) has streaming now. I know my doctors offices have it and most businesses do even if they don't advertise it. However, I'd be worried about performance. My router probably averages 30 ms lag. Add in both the sending and receiving router that's 60 ms. Add in the LCD screen which is probably 20 ms. That's 80 ms and should be noticeable. That's not including any hiccups.

I'm fairly certain the 3DS is going to get a replacement at sometime. If NX was consolidating hardware, bringing out VC games on the New3DS and not consolidating the account system never made any sense. We are certainly within 20 months of launch, it would certainly PO a bunch of people that buy VC on new 3DS and then magically their VC games work on console/handheld NX.

@cleveland124 It is already known that the Wii U will make them a bit of a profit. Far less than they first expected to have, and also partially due to the favorable exchange course of the yen, but a profit nonetheless. In a worst case scenario, we can at the very least establish that it isn't going to make them have to post a loss, so a break even result is the bare minimum for the Wii U.

Financial reports don't lie and these are easily obtainable. Also, sales of consoles and handhelds are indeed noted separately, so I have no idea where you have gotten that idea from. Sources of income have to be mentioned specifically in any financial report, both for legal purposes and for shareholder insight. I'm in sales, so if anything, I should know.

I've looked at the financial reports and don't see that Wii U was definately making a profit. Feel free to walk me through them. I have a masters in finance, but surely you know more about financial statements than me since you're in sales. They have no legal reason to give financials by product line. They do speak about the individual product lines and give some gross revenue information, but the average investor doesn't have the knowledge to understand the business at a product line and they'd prefer to keep as much information confidential as possible as it could be used by competitors.

Grabbing a few numbers off fansites? Really? Have you seen a financial statement before? You can get financial statemtns here https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/index.html
Nintendo in total made a profit last year, I never said otherwise. However, none of those show that the Wii U made money. You can assume that if you want but none of those articles show that.

Not necessarily easy to read, but that's about the level of detail you get with a financial statement. Wii U released in their third quarter of 2013 annual financials. But we can assume that development costs were a big reason for 2012 being in the red.

EBITDA for 2012, -24.8 billion yen. EBITDA for 2013, -23.8 billion yen. EBITDA for 2014, -36.5 billion yen. EBITDA for 2015, 33.8 billioin yen. So yes, if we assume the 3DS lost them a bunch of money, I guess you could say they are definately going to make alot of money on the Wii U.

I will always love my Wii U. It's a wonderful machine and I have about 20 fabulous games for it. However, I'm sad listening about great games being pushed to the next system. I understand why, but it's still sad. Luigi's Mansion on the 3DS is incredible and a Wii U version would have been great.

My Wii U will become my retro console as I have a ton of VC games on it and Nintendo doesn't offer cross buy. Once these AAA games start rolling out with the NX, I will switch over.

@cleveland124 Like I said: these are indications. Besides that, these sites also gather their information from the very financial reports we were discussing. The difference is that they offer the information in a more palatable, bite size fashion, but that doesn't mean that it is less valid or true.

And I would once again like to stress that, partially due to the favorable exchange course of the yen, the Wii U has made a moderate profit, I never said that it was or is going to make them a lot of money.

Nintendo is very wise in the ways it spends and invests its money, hence why they will never be another Sega, as some eternal pessimists would like to think. They might suffer a loss here or there, but in the long run they have always reached their break even point with relative ease. The GameCube was a similar example, not selling as much as they wanted to, but still making them somewhat of a profit and enough to kick start the whole Wii endeavor.

Obviously, I can't know for sure, but I will say that I'm not going to be surprised AT ALL if they pull of another miracle with the NX.

Off their financials https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/annual1503e.pdf page 31 shows they had $9.471 billion yen loss from revaluing inventory. From an accounting perspective, you are required to show a loss on inventory if the item sells for less than you spent to create it. It would seem to me, that this valuation would be on Wii U's, but again, that level of detail isn't provided. So maybe it actually is the 3DS that they are losing money on. I'm sure you and your internet buddies you discuss with are already all over that though.

The Gamecube is another example of something we don't really know. I'd assume the GBA was making tons of money for them during that time period. So while, they made a profit, it's hard to know if the Gamecube added to or detracted from the profit.

@cleveland124 Internet buddies? It might be that the 3DS is slowing down in sales, but that is indeed not clear from these reports. From what I've understood, the favorable yen allowed them to re-evaluate their profits, changing them from meagre to modest. Still not a target you would want as a company, but at least it's not a loss.

You could say it's a false profit/profit on paper only because it partially leans on that exchange rate, but to me that's semantics: if it's in the bank, then it's real and in this case it is.

Suffice it to say that they have enough to go into the next year and take a hit or two before they will have to report any negative results.

I'm saying page 31 says they took a lost because a product they sell doesn't make them what they have in it. That's clear and from the 2015 annual report. What product would you believe it to be, if you and your internet buddies are sure the Wii U makes Nintendo money?

Again, you said Wii U makes money. That is not a provable statement at the very least. Nintendo has made money one year while both the Wii U and 3DS were on sale. That is clearly true so I don't know why you keep referencing their total profit as proof that the Wii U is profitable.

"Nintendo is very wise in the ways it spends and invests its money, hence why they will never be another Sega, as some eternal pessimists would like to think. They might suffer a loss here or there, but in the long run they have always reached their break even point with relative ease. "

@cleveland124 I have no internet buddies and I'm one hundred percent serious, so I'm perfectly fine with a serious discussion, as long as we can keep any sarcasm or mockery out of it.
On a side note: I'm in Europe, so it's 3:39 here right now, and I'm not quite sober and you made me look up financial reports in my weekend off. Not a great way to spend the night, I'm sure you would agree...
I'm looking through these as we speak:https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/

And at first glance, you may have a point since they do mention separate targets for devices, but sales figures seem to be collective.

Yeah, that doesn't sound fun. Sorry, I was definately sarcastic. I took some of your initial comments to be mocking me a little. I mean no harm, in general I appreciate your comments on articles even if we don't 100% agree.

@cleveland124 No, I wasn't mocking you, I just tried to avoid the very thing I'm doing now: work. Aside from that, I'm a WYSIWYG guy, and a bit too old (45) to be investing my precious time in mocking or annoying people online (or anywhere for that matter) although the very nature of the internet can't prevent some individuals from perceiving me to be as such, so you are going to have to take my word for it.

For now, I'm going to call it a night but I'll get back to you as soon as I can either find something substantial to support my claims or the exact opposite, since I never feel myself too big of a man to admit that I was wrong.

If these rumors are true, then, I'm putting down the Nintendo flag. I'll be done with this company and never look back. Onto to PlayStation and PC and play games developed by people who care about crafting lasting experiences, not glorified tech demos to show how a game can work with a new gimmick. This is the thing that made me hate Nintendo this generation. This constant need to "innovate" just makes them forget why we started playing games in the first place. For fun, for memorable experiences, for moments we like to go through over and over. All of that seems to have gone from their priority list in favor of novel gimmicks that may or may not work.

Am I reading this right? They want to continue the Gamepad idea and be able to stream through wifi? Did they really learn nothing the last 4 years? Sorry. 3 1/2 years. People are going see this and think "oh it's an updated Wii U" and pass on it...again, just like they did with Wii U thinking it's just a Gamepad for Wii. I really really hope this information is false.

@KrakenSoup That won't come to pass if the name is different and the controller is shaped/built differently.

The only reason the game pad failed to catch interest is because of its size, shape, and battery life.Fix those three issues and put less emphasis on using the screen for games outside of off-TV play, and the whiners won't have room to complain unless they just REALLY hate Nintendo.

Most likely they let you use your smartphone or tablet as a controller for NX, but are we ready for cloud computing? A portable streaming game console seems unfeasible at the moment, you need really high bandwidth for solid frame rate.

Luigi Mansion 3? LM 2 is a good game but just too long, I got bored halfway through the game. They should just make a huge single mansion like the first one.

Wii U had way different architecture, not enough power, and not a large install base. Don't be fooled into believing the gamepad had anything to do with it. Any company can slap off tv play on it and be done. Or slap a map on it like Assassins Creed. That was their sugar coated excuse for "cost doesn't justify profit".

With NX, if it's a similar architecture to other systems with abundant power, cost drops to an insane degree. Which means it's far easier to justify the cost/revenue ratio. If it takes half the manpower 25% as long to do a port, the threshold they need to sell to justify costs drops almost 10 fold.

As for the controller, I can assure you now it's not going to be the main focus like Wii U was anyways. Off TV play and remote play, auxiliary functions only. They're not going to make it a focus again after sales of Wii U (but even if they did for sake of argument- that was never really the reason anyways- it was their PR excuse to gullible fans who aren't saavy in the ways of cost/revenue analysis)

You got the controller isn't going to be a focal point from an article declaring the NX controller will be a big gimmick? EA doesn't make PC sports games. I get the power and architecture will be more appealing to third parties but I don't think it's a slam dunk. Like EA for instance. If you like their games odds are very strong that you have a non- Nintendo console. So how many sales is EA really missing by not having games on Wii U? I mean a PC port would be super easy but they won't do it.

People say a second smaller screen is not meant for a real Console has NEVER played a game before. I played my ex's Wii U for quite a bit, and I'm a 3DS fan, so I can say a second screen is bloody helpful. Even if its a stationary map, it helps a LOT.

I'd love a NX controller with a small screen. But please oh please, do not replace a real handheld like the N3DS for a "Online streaming device"

That part about Luigi's mansion 3 may be true, since that "deleting" action of the employee (where's smoke, there's fire). But on the other hand: A Nintendo related company working on 2 titles at the same time, when did we hear that before (oh, with Retro. But they just worked on Tropical freeze back in the day, and nothing else!)?

@cleveland124 One point is that it may only get 10% mor powerful but it also becomes much cheaper to purchase the processors due to mass production and reduced costs. Also - yes - both the PS4 and Xbone consoles are too big and they're also ugly - what we need is something without a disc drive and that comes with a purple carrying handle . . .

Nintendo.. Whatever you make I'll buy regardless.. That's how much faith I've still got in you guys.. However I won't lie when I say that I miss the Wiimote and to some part more traditional controllers. I've secretly been hoping for a super enhanced Wiimote like controller for the NX.

@Fandabidozi "Hardcore" used to indicate one's level of engagement for playing a game. Something from being just really good at said game, finding all secrets where applicable, completing game in lowest amount of time.

Basically as you made an example, being harcore is just someone who doesn't simply quit upon finishing a game, they have to dominate it.

I think the term hardcore got roped in with mature when with platform based 2D games at the time, it really did take an exorbitant amount of time and skill to be able to display dominance. The thing is when you got really good is when the game began to flow and ... I don't know how else to to describe it other than watching an animation flip-book without messing up the rhythm.

Actually...that is how I would describe. The game's rhythm is what is revealed when you master the controls, character and environment. Although with 3D based "hardcore" games there's a lot of software assistance which smooths over a lot of the raw experience. Think auto tracing enemies but then again it's just a different rhythm.

Super Mario Galaxy is what I would call "hardcorable" or "hardcore-complaint."

As long as Nintendo keeps giving me some sort of dedicated handheld system (which is what I play almost exclusively) and accompanying games, I'm good. They can flop at this, fail at that, and run themselves into oblivion with everything else for all I care. I haven't been interested in a Nintendo console since, well, never really. Still interested to see if Nintendo's going to knock our socks off with the NX or shoot themselves in the foot again.

Unless they've improved RemotePlay tech considerably, I dont see the whole NX gamepad thing going over well. Between PS4 and vita, the system felt too cumbersome and the final conclusion was a laggy game with touch controls replacing L2/R2 L3/R3.

It has to work as well as a gamepad does when sitting near the WiiU, anything less seems like a waste of time....and I dont think internet bandwidth is at a point where we could log in the NX gamepad from a Starbucks and play SSB perfectly. Hell, just trying to play it online through WiiU brings lag.

This is probably the gimmick I care the least about. I don't want to stream games with the lag involved in that. I would much rather use my 3ds. I love the 3d on the 3ds, and the wiimote had it's place for shooting games... It seems the quality of the trick Nintendo is offering is going downhill. The gamepad is kind of neat at best, and this streaming gaming just sounds terrible. Hopefully this rumor is false, but it sounds pretty likely based on what we have heard.

The gaming community took "hardcore" and turned it into a term a way to criticise a portion of the gaming community. I think the more traditional ways to use the term are core-gamer and casual gamer.

A core-gamer is someone with a stronger knowledge of the industry and wider range of gaming interests. I.E., I would classify myself as that. I pay attention to gaming news and have a pretty stout collection of games in different genres.

My wife would be a casual gamer. She loves CandyCrush and probably spent more hours playing that than I have any of my Wii U games. But she doesn't pay attention to what's coming out on the gaming market. And I can count the games that she plays on one hand.

From a business perspective it's easier to cater to the core market. I want Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. So if Nintendo releases one of those games, they know they have my business. My wife on the other hand is much more difficult to get interested in games. My wife and I had a ball with Wii Sports as did almost everybody. It was a game that casuals picked up and loved. Nintendo thought they could reach casuals with Nintendoland and they didn't. The casual market is a very tough market to have sustained success in.

I could possibly see this as being true. They're not going to go away from the Wii U Pad, just make it smaller and more affordable to make and ship. The Wii U console itself (the box) was pretty cheaply designed (just looked like a small internet hard drive box) so it could be true. I agree with most people that they need to try out some more new IP's though. Platoon worked out for them, and I can definitely see them re-releasing the Wii U good games for the NX, just to get a little more money out of them, but also to give people that missed out on them, a new reason to pick them up (which is a shame that many didn't realize the potential the Wii U had). I won't pick up the same games (as I own them on Wii U), and I won't throw my Wii U in a box to keep away, but I'll get into the NX when it arrives and look forward to it until then. I'm holding off on getting the Playstation VR for this, so I hope nintendo doesn't let me down (which they never did). I just don't want a large drought in between retail games, and I want to see more retail games out. My original Wii U was stolen, and now I'm finding it extremely hard to get back most of my retail gaming library (LOZ Wind Waker, Lego City Undercover, Wonderful 101, Wii Party U, Wii Sports Club...which I just downloaded everything for instead). Took me forever to find Pikmin 3.

@Xenocity While that I agree that Nintendo has less "hardcore" or "mature" games than the others, they have a bunch of them, I consider myself a hardcore gamer, my favorite genre are RPG's and fighting games, and I find all that in Nintendo consoles, I had SNES and 64 as kid, then I had gamecube, then I had a PS3 and WII(which I still have together with the cube games) and now my main console is the 3DS, I don't have a PS4 and WII U because I don't have money to buy them(and because where I live they really expensive), and from all that, even though Nintendo has a lot of "kid" games, they aren't just for kids, like Pokémon for example, kids can play them just fine, but the game really shines when played competitively, which is most played by adults and is more hardcore than playing M rated shooting game(which is the most present genre on other consoles), so even though Nintendo games are made for kids(just half of them though, kids don't play fire emblem), they still can be played by hardcore gamers, and those can have as much fun and challenge as if they were kids, that is the Nintendo magic, and one of the reasons they are the best, if today people weren't so dumb and realized that, Nintendo consoles would still print money(the 3DS still prints money though).

@Acein210 What's difficult about about an option to use the controller away from the console? How does that in any way affect the gameplay? Seems people just criticize everything companies do even when it's not relevant to their concern.

If the NX is a home console and has a second screen as its controller, I'll be satisfied.

The GamePad isn't used to the fullest, but darn it, when it is used, it's an incredible experience. And even used at it's most basic with a map or inventory management, it's still extremely helpful. When I'm playing my PS4 games, a Wii U GamePad equivalent would be greatly appreciated there.

i hope the nx controller be's a smaller version of the gamepad because although the size of it don't bother me its bothers some people. i also hope nx is backwards compatable with wii u and more powerful than ps 4 for the idioits that look at spec over what games are on the system

@gatorboi352 Thay would be nice too. I hesitate to call it a "gimmick" though, just because the DS and 3DS demonstrated how useful and unique a second screen is and the Wii U just tried to bring that to the home console market. It was more of an extension of an excising game design philopshy vs a one off type thing that I associate with gimmicks. I guess it's semantics in the end anyway.

I really hope this turns out to be untrue, because I would hate needing an internet connection just to play on a handheld device. Even if you're at a place that has free WiFi, it'll probably still be too slow to even properly stream the games..

I dont think it will be entirely dependent on an internet connection. It will be highly likely you can temporarily download you data into the controller itself and go from there. I also hear NX may use a Polaris based CPU

Sounds like a Wii U Too, LOL, I guess it could be more than merely a joke after all?

As for it's power... Considering the bare minimum for consistent 30+ FPS and fast loading times at 4K resolution on Ultra settings (real 4K, not VSR, Virtual Super Resolution) requires a bare minimum of an $1000 custom built PC, using at least a $300 graphics card, a $200 CPU, a $100 motherboard, $90+ worth of RAM, $80+ for a solid state drive, a $100 power supply, $50+ for a good case/fans, and around $100 for a Windows OS (unless you get a special deal, like working for a refurbisher )...

Nah, if the PS4K isn't a marketing lie, and actually is powerful enough to match that performance, meaning it's not just Virtual Super Resolution or another form of artificial upscaling (as is done with current PS4's), there's no way the NX will match that. Nintendo isn't going to sell any console SKU for over $500 in major markets. It's merely going to handle 1080p well, and maybe 1440p in certain instances, thanks to AMD's new Polaris architecture, but it's not going to match a real 4K high spec system.

However, I doubt the so-called PS4K will output true 4K with high specs, unless Sony goes nuts like they did with the original PS3 and try to sell a console at $600 or more again.... Which would be EXTREMELY risky in their volatile, still bleeding financial situation. If they do make it output 4K, then it's not really going to truly take advantage of the medium, and be stuck with middling specs, trailing behind PC again.

The mobile home console is just the kind of crazy that fits Nintendo. The problem is how tied it would be to network/wifi/internet performance and that is a problem that doesn't seem suited for Nintendo to make a leap in.

@manu0 It didn't until about 2 years after it came out. That was the problem. I won't support another Nintendo console till I can tell it going to be successful. I don't feel as though I got my moneys worth from the Wii U yet.

IT professional here. I highly doubt that the remote play gimmick is true. The controller would still require a fair amount of specs to operate, especially at a distance. Not to mention the lag and other services required to make it work. This sounds like the least likely scenario to me.

One of the big quotes said about NX is that they are keeping it tightly under wraps so none of their competition can swoop in and steal their unique idea. Remote play a la PS4 and Vita does not meet this criteria. I will be very disappointed if this turns out to be the feature touted by Nintendo.

That's a terrible idea. If anything the handheld should be a full handheld console itself, capable of sharing the NX library but downloading/playing the games itself with it's own processor etc. At least then it would be playable without internet connection. If this happens it will be a handheld that you take with you yet is useless unless you're near a wifi hotspot, which wouldn't be worth taking out with you at all. I can't see Nintendo putting a sim card in it to allow you online play everywhere.

@polarbear Same here. I'm not collecting consoles (though I do have three) so unless the NX can replace my Wii U - either by running my existing Wii/Wii U library or allowing me to re-purchase the majority of the software ports to the system at a substantial discount - I'm not interested. I do wish the Wii U gamepad already used wifi as the Bluetooth implementation feels too restrictive given I need to be in the same room.

If it is replacing a dedicated handheld then it is a stupid decision no doubt. Nobody is gonna Eat in to mobile data plans to stream games. Free WiFi hardly exists so where exactly do Nintendo expect people to play on handheld.

Also Nintendo would be throwing away a huge handheld business in Japan. A country where people gather in public places to play together. Again I argue that people will not eat into personal mobile data plans to stream games.

This feature is not a system seller. PS4 has it with Vita and nobody cares.

Now if we are still getting a dedicated handheld why wouldn't Nintendo just include a streaming capability with that. If not then do they really expect consumers to carry around a dedicated handheld alongside this NX add on?

Part of me feels like Nintendo are giving up on handheld. I don't want to to believe it so I hope it isn't true

@A01 Miyamoto has said that he's not involved with the hardware development for the NX. (although I do have a hard time believing that he would be totally hands off given how much he was involved with the Wii U and other systems)

@cleveland124 I live in a small town with a bunch of old fashioned people who don't embrace modern technology in the slightest. Nobody has wifi here except McDonalds, and I rarely visit Micky D's, and maybe a coffee shop. I'm sort of hoping (based on all the silly rumours) that the NX will somehow also be a stand-alone handheld. I don't mind streaming movies, but games just aren't dependable. Tried PS Now and it was awful.