But - it's not difficult to take this reply as a genuine reply - it speaks volumes

So, one more time - please

Which government created this mess?

And, what is this America As We Know It - of which you speak?

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I don't think its irrational or emotional. She gave you her response. Respect it. Don't ridicule it.

"WE THE PEOPLE" created the America, the politicians, and inept Government, we see today.

We let great ideas get overrun with bad bureaucracy, making these great ideas, inefficient. The system is broken, and there are those who take
advantage of it, knowing full well that they can. That's not too hard to see. Its daily, and happens more often, then We want to admit.

Now, when it comes to this "current" administration, they have the opportunity to fix this mess, We have intrusted them to do this. The last
administration, and the one before that added to this mess. Just MHO.

I've gotten government assistance in the past, got back on my feet, built a business and pay in now. I've been trying to hire workers and can't
get a single person to show up more than 2 days in a row! Sales job that pays well but requires good work ethic, you know, 5-6 hours a day.

IMO the first step would have to implement wages that provide the basic needs. Although we as a people would have to agree on some sort of regulation
on company profits as they relate to a worker's wage. We could start with no tax exemptions for companies that outsource more than 10% of its labor
force. We could give tax credits for those companies that use American products and employs Americans. Able bodied individuals who can work must learn
a trade through internships or they could work for the state in exchange for their benefits. However the state would be audited to insure they do not
abuse the system by employing welfare recipients to avoid paying fair wages. Those able bodied individuals that remain on dependant on welfare can
only receive benefits for two years. After two years they must provide documentation to insure that they have been diligent in seeking a job or
training and to validate their need for assistance. Limit politicians' income so that it correlates with the average income of their
constituents.Eliminate lobbyists or make it mandatory that any entity that uses lobbyists must contribute the same money allocated to lobbyists to the
national debt. Last but not least we should take an isolationist approach to our military. If we involve our military for the interest of another
country that country should reimburse us for the cost.Just my opinion. I would love to hear other ideas without the partisan rhetoric.

Pointing fingers and assessing blame is in part how we got in this mess in the first place.

While everyone is playing partisan politics and working to win each election, between the election cycles things can only get worse, because no one is
confronting the real issues, or even interested in discussing them, unless it can be blamed on "the other guy(s)" first.

The real problem in this country is partisan politics, everything else was simply agendas that were able to exploit the divisions in government by
influencing one or the other side with the most power at the time.

America is defeated, and doomed. You're not interested in the real problems or the viable solutions.

In my post above, I outlined how it isn't just "the government" that wants the Temporary (per CBO) increase in the Food Card program, but it actually
serves to subsidize businesses as well - they do not have to provide a livable wage, and instead the Minimum Wage is maintained. The CBO says by 2022
(see my post above) the Food Card program is projected to be at pre-recession levels.

The improvement of the economy, along with the phasing out of the extra stimulus funds disbursed in 2009 for the Food Card program will enable people
to get off of the Food Card program. The improvement of the economy will also make a conversation about increasing the Minimum Wage a possibility,
but I believe it is incredibly unpopular among business owners as it impacts their profits.

So, is it simply "the government" that "wants" people to stay on the Food Card program? I think not. I think the private sector business
owners/corporations have a strong role to play in what is politically supportable. I think corps/bus. owners being very okay with people making less
than is required for buying their own food is a huge problem with no easy fix. As to the government, they could pull the plug and get blamed for
people starving, but it serves to keep the peace until businesses, through the political will of people and party, are made to provide a livable wage.
I won't hold my breath...

Again .. my question ... is this ineptitude by Washington DC or is it part of a larger
plan by TPTB (higher up than Bush or Obama) to make people depend on government so
those people can be controlled??

the Bankers in tandem with the Fedferal Reserve caused the collapse of the debt/credit expansion economy where 'full' employment was a key
factor...

but they figured that they could no longer support that economic model, so they pulled the rug under our collective feet--- and enjoy an infinity of
quarterly payments on both the old accrued debt and the 'safety net' deficits the government now has to pay the forever unemployed... or else sabotage
and mayhem and a growing group of nihlists/ self defined militas intent on bringing Anarchy to the political landscape will result.

the banker elites saw the huge influx of illegal immigrants, decided that there was no use continuing the charade of a expanding economy with full
employment and increased standard -of-living as a sustainable model... the Banker guild Elites left the bureaucrats/lawmakers hang themselves... as
the banker system would be flush with wealth for the next 4 generations (if the society would remain sheeple for that long) just riding the old debt
returns owed the Banker system from 1913 onward (1913... the creature from Jeckyll Island.)

Those are big numbers. And not good. Why are they not good? Becuase the government wants them to be even BIGGER.

They RELISH this dependency. And want MORE of it.

Here are a few sources. I could post a hundred more. Make no mistake, the government wants to OWN you. because when they do, they have purchased your
vote. Because most of the sheep vote with their wallets.

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