Sorry folks. Her possessing the gun is what is causing all of this. It acts like a catalyst, drawing moths to a flame. Those young men she has shot and threatened to shoot are the victims of her dark, twisted sociopathetic persona. She should be locked away - at least until she has received professional help for her bloodlust and able to rejoin society. Remove her from the equation and these fine young men will surprise you.

Lorelle:Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

F*ck off, asshole.

/see, I made a CHOICE to defend myself

So as long as everybody keeps a pot of boiling chicken soup next to them at all times, they're good to go until they save up the money to move.Got it.

You don't always have to know the truth to spot a lie. This is one of those times. By those statistics, on average, a person will have some 20-60 firearm self-defense incidents in their lifetimes. Ludicrous.

You wouldn't know truth is if it bit you on the face while everyone screamed "That Truth is biting LavenderWolf! Call Truth Control!"

the ha ha guy:but quite a few of the self-proclaimed liberals in that thread were unwilling to settle for anything less than a total confiscation of anything and everything that shoots any type of projectile.

doglover:Lorelle: doglover: Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

When one faces a serious threat to one's life, one has a tendency to remember it, even decades later. Therapy helps in the short-term, but the memory lasts forever. And yes, I did think about it yesterday, but I didn't spend the entire day dwelling on it.

And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him); I fought back with what was available.

I don't have a pet skunk, but there are several cans of chicken soup in my humble abode (among other, more dangerous things). :)

Honestly, I have it on good authority(my own) that scalds suck.

Like... really suck.

If they could make a boiling water super-soaker, that would be godawful scary but great for home defense.

Yeah, while you're at it you can chuck some paint cans on string at them, heat up doorknobs, and sic your tarantula at them. That will really show those Wet Bandits!

Why didn't she call the police and run from the house or retreat to the farthest room in the house ? The police would have been there sooner or later . Why hang around when she could have clearly gotten away ? This could have been avoided . I bet this responsible gun owner creamed her jeans at the chance to kill someone

Hickory-smoked:ChaosStar: Hickory-smoked: Rational people can argue that many of the gun laws on the books are poorly written and arbitrarily enforced, I agree. The problem comes from irrational people who believe in every conspiracy theory and paranoid delusion they come across, which makes rational and pragmatic regulation impossible.

I don't think that's where the problem comes from.I agree that irrational conspiracy theorists have a problem (or three), but I don't think that's the problem we're discussing here.

Hickory-smoked: Liberals are not trying to disarm you This is blatantly false.

You may be a Liberal, and you may not want to disarm me, but that doesn't change the fact that those who do want to disarm me are, for the most part, Liberals.The buck doesn't just stop at Obama you know. Brady, Feinstein, Bloomberg... all want to disarm me and all are Liberals.

Do they, though?

Feinstein's Assault Weapon bill was already law from 1994 to 2004, and it didn't take away your weapons. Mayors Against Illegal Guns wanted to have expanded background checks on all firearms purchases, but not ban sales or confiscate weapons.

I have heard some people say it would be nice if it was possible to get rid of guns, but nobody thinks that's actually an option. Not any lawmakers, certainly. Nobody has seriously debated against the 2nd Amendment in decades. If the regulations actually being proposed are objectively bad ideas, they should be debated against on their own merits, but if you need to bring up the specter of disarmament by liberals totalitarians every time the subject of a shooting comes up, even in a thread where nobody is questioning the woman's right to shoot an intruder, then you're just indulging in a persecution complex.

So you're okay with voter I.D.s?

They aren't taking anybodies right to vote away but to hear the left tell it it's a vast conspiracy to take away the right to vote.

Those defensive gun uses per year are entirely full of shiat. 4.7 million defensive gun uses in one year, that's one in every 70 people using a firearm to defend themselves every year. 50,000 is high but a little more reasonable than those ridiculous multi-million per year numbers.

Do you have a particular empirical reason for doubting them, or just a 'gut feeling'? Maybe you have some stronger evidence and studies showing the numbers are much lower?

RatMaster999:Except these are new regulations from Connecticut. Less than a year old. New York's banning magazines that hold more than a handful or rounds. I think California is planning to try the same. These asshats are still out there.

You're not listening to him. The Democrats have never tried to take your guns. The times they did don't count because as long as you can have a single-fire rifle, you technically can still have your guns. You're delusional for not being able to see how reasonable he is being.

SCUBA_Archer:Amazing how libtards can't even wrap their head around a simple fact like "a man's home is his castle". We can argue whether or not you have an obligation to respond with deadly force to an assault in public, but there should be no doubt whether or not someone entering your home without permission should be met with the highest amount of force possible. Anyone who believes that you should retreat and give up your possessions to a burglar, please post your address here because I imagine there are a bunch of people happy to pay you a visit.

Amazing now rethuglicans, liburtdarians, blood drinkers and herp-a-derp boostrappy types who can almost count to potatoe are incapable of reading. This thread has been full of people to the left of Ivan the Terrible. Their usual comment has been "Nice shot."

But that doesn't fit The Narrative. There isn't an opportunity to screech "Fartbongo! Benghazi! Clinton got a blowjob! Wharrrr-garble!" So in typical echo chamber conservative style you just ignore it and go on with your incessant braying.

She should do what I do, and just leave a bunch of vertical sharpened sticks coated in feces under each window. If they make it past that, I have a baseball bat coated in feces ready to go. I'm not some scaredy cat who needs to spend his hard earned money on a gun. I just make my own weapons out of common household items and feces when the moment arises that I need them.

Can we please get a Government Enforcer to take this woman's gun away so that she can be a good little victim like she's supposed to? I'm sick of people like this who unapologetically oppress underprivileged folks who were just about to turn their lives around.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.

STOP TRYING TO SPOIL MY FUN, DAMNIT.

gja: Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

It was a studio apartment with one door and one big, long window in front. The kitchenette and bathroom were in the rear.

I am enjoying this repartee immensely. It is like spit-roasting bugs on wire getting your ante up.Too cold and out of season for fishing near me, so playing you like a trout on the end of a line will have to suffice.

BTW, if the bathroom was handy you might have tried flushing yourself. Or hiding in the shower and stopped breathing to trick him.Of course the latter might have backfired if he was a necrophiliac.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.

STOP TRYING TO SPOIL MY FUN, DAMNIT.

gja:Lorelle: And, as I mentioned above, I didn't flee (I couldn't--there was no way I could get to the door without going past him

What? No windows?

It was a studio apartment with one door and one big, long window in front. The kitchenette and bathroom were in the rear.

hardinparamedic:Penman: You made a CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Chances are if she had a gun, and had tried to go for it she wouldn't be here typing this today.

Chances are you don't cook with a gun.

The gun is just a hotter pot of soup that you can keep by the bed. But any good interior decorating scheme should include throwable knick-knacks and some actualweapons. Swords on the wall, knives in the kitchen, baseball bat and balls in the den, questionable african doll headed spear stick curio I don't know who bought me but was a good walking stick in the corner. The whole world's a weapon just waiting to be used.

doglover:And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

While I am uncertain as to my full opinion of your analogy of squirrels and skunks, I can state that I prefer it to the analogy of sheep and sheepdogs.

Also, I only managed to ignore 1 person out of 85 comments. Fark, you're slipping.

The trolls are staying away from this one.

And yet, Lorelle is here trollin hard and long.

Lorelle is not "trolling". She is sincerely outraged that a citizen legally possessed a firearm and, even more offensive to her moral beliefs, that the citizen legally used the firearm in a defensive fashion.

Lorelle:I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

So you understand the importance of being armed.Though in many states, using that soup as a weapon would get you arrested for "harming" the poor robber.. they care about the victim more than you.

Lorelle:doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

Oh heavens to mergatroid! Somebody broke into my home and pointed a gun at me 29 years ago! Oh the horror!

shiat happens. Get some therapy.

It's the fight or flight response, and you chose flight. There's another option. Squirrels flee from danger very successfully. But they live in constant terror and usually die in violence anyway. But skunks? Skunks own the forest. They, despite being walking snacks, have less stress than Willie Nelson three joints into breakfast. Why? Because of all the animals in the forest who fight, the skunk has the worst attack.

But this doesn't mean the skunk just walks around waiting for a chance to spray. They're actually just cool little guys who bumble through the forest looking for munchies and lady skunks. If they could, they'd go their whole life without spraying. But if push comes to shove, they can push back.

And that's really what weapons ownership is all about. You don't have a weapon because you want to use it, you have it because in the event you ever need it, you'll wish you had it. While you can jury rig a spear or sword out of household goods, handguns are probably a better choice. Much like the skunk, you keep it on the back burner. It doesn't define your existence, but if you ever need it it's there.

Lorelle:Penman: Lorelle: doglover: That would be a good idea to add to the home now, but having a gun would still be needful in a place like Detroit. And you don't spend 24/7 clutching the gun worried, the gun is just another tool, like a hammer. Only sometimes the nail that sticks up is a robber.

You're just being willfully ignorant about guns.

Funny, when the guy who broke into my apartment pointed his gun at me and told me not to scream (I screamed my head off, natch), I didn't view it as a mere "tool."

You made a CHOICE not to defend yourself with force. What happens from that point on is your responsibility.

I defended myself with what I had on hand: a small pot of boiling chicken soup (I was standing at the stove in the kitchen when the break-in occurred). The guy yelled and ran out of my apartment.

gja: Oh group up you horses ass. You do not win this one, little miss 'no guns'.

lonerancher:I'm sorry, but if you break into my home I am not giving a warning. I have no idea what your intentions are and I am not going to risk my life to find out. I'm not going to give up the advantage of surprise and give away my position. Once I identify the person as someone that has no reason to be in the house, they are getting shot. It doesn't matter if they are armed or not. Just because they don't have a gun in their hand doesn't mean they don't have one in their waste band. Hell they could grab a lamp or many other household items and swing those as a weapon. If you aren't willing to risk your life, you should not break into someone's home. It just shouldn't be that hard to wrap your head around.

I agree. If you shout something at them, several things can happen, and all of them except their turning around and leaving is not in your favor. The first is that if they are armed, you are now in an even-up shoot out instead of having the drop on them. The second is that they become a moving target, much harder to hit. Why would you give up your advantage of surprise? The first sound they hear should be the gun going off.

Of course, I'm a southern country boy and the very idea of someone trying to break into my house doesn't mean danger; it means "hot damn, I get to shoot somebody!!!" Anyways it will never happen, nobody can get close to my house without the dogs howling for ten minutes.

Livinglush:caeroe: luniz5monody: There was another one similar to this just a few days ago...Detroit too. There's home security video of it, but this one involved 3 guys kicking in a back door and then running when the homeowner (also a woman) came out with a rifle.

Fortunately the three involved were caught, being that they shot at, but not hit (afaik). She had a rusted HiPoint carbine. They're ugly, and their handguns get a lot of crap online, but those rifles are well made. They're excellent home defense weapons imo, I want one myself for home and as a range toy.

Hi point pistols AND rifles are cheap and ugly as hell. They are also surprisingly accurate and well made, and dirt cheap

One thing I've learned from this thread is thatconservatives have no idea how liberals in the real world feel about self-defense and responsible gun ownership. Here's a hint: We're not the stupid, pie-in-the-sky, la-di-dah caricatures Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent tell you we are.

Lorelle:You'd think that the homeowner nogoodniks would get a clue after the first break-in pwnage and 1) put bars on the windows get a new line of work or 2) move to a safer neighborhood go rob a liberal's house.