just a quick question, I just got my machine, installing the water filter... is there supposed to be a click when I install it into the tank? It seems like I just place it there... and I push down with some force but doesn't seem to go much further but there's never a click or anything..... anyone??!?

One last point- When the OPV activates it does *not* waste water by dumping into your tray. Don't believe me? Pull out your tray while back flushing before you stop the pump. NOTHING is squirting down into your tray until you stop the pump and the three way valve kicks in. If you don't put your drip tray back in before shutting off the pump, you'll see the small amount of water released.

You are 100% correct! The outlet from the OPV must be plumbed into the suction side of the pump. I lack a detailed Process and Instrumentaion Diagram for the machine so that statement about "plumbing" is just a "SWAG" (scientific wild a$$ guess) answer based on my "geeky" background as an engineer lol.

When I originally typed my response, I was "under buzzed". That's my story and I'm sticking to it! LOL

I had seen this misunderstood at several times, I think the 3 way valve and OP valve get mixed up in people's minds. I hadn't had a specific example in mind when I finally remembered to mention this, but thanx for stepping up.

And I feel your under buzzed excuse, been there. Done that. Not today though :)

I am just about ready to take the plunge on a BDB. Had been looking at slightly used, and ebay new sources until word of the /B came out. I am now thinking it would be best to get the improvements with the upgraded version. It doesn't look like anything is coming out of SCAA that would change my attraction to the BDB.

Has anyone come across a definitive (Breville source) summary of the changes in the /B model? I've gotten no response to that question from Breville Customer Service. Where are those of you with /Bs getting them? SCG and WLL don't have them yet.

This is my first real foray into home espresso (had a steam boiler some years ago). My job no longer takes me to Italy so I'm anxious to get my new machine.

Ah... if You haven't seen the history, I would simply recommend to you here; buy it new and from a reputable dealer.Sorry I don't have information on the /B.(You can get the Cliff Notes brief from some of my back posts if you'll drill down my user name.)

You say this is to use your own words "Your first real espresso machine"! What made you choose a BDB? Have you looked at the other options available?

MattOwn Said:

Hi all,

I am just about ready to take the plunge on a BDB. Had been looking at slightly used, and ebay new sources until word of the /B came out. I am now thinking it would be best to get the improvements with the upgraded version. It doesn't look like anything is coming out of SCAA that would change my attraction to the BDB.

Has anyone come across a definitive (Breville source) summary of the changes in the /B model? I've gotten no response to that question from Breville Customer Service. Where are those of you with /Bs getting them? SCG and WLL don't have them yet.

This is my first real foray into home espresso (had a steam boiler some years ago). My job no longer takes me to Italy so I'm anxious to get my new machine.

Has anyone come across a definitive (Breville source) summary of the changes in the /B model? I've gotten no response to that question from Breville Customer Service. Where are those of you with /Bs getting them? SCG and WLL don't have them yet.

If you search the thread, there may be a list of /B features, but I can't point you at it. The ones I'm aware of would include improved seals, correction of some assembly line issues, a new OPV (I think) and updated firmware. I got a /B from Breville that had Err1 issues, but the replacement with updated firmware and a better thermistor is working fine.

I don't think any of the improvements are dramatic, but it's always nice to have the most recent model except when it isn't.

I had my first issue with the BDB, my portafilter spun out and popped off the machine. I called Breville and they said just keep the top of the filter basket dry when you screw in the portafilter and it will not pop off. I just make sure that it is dry when I screw it in and it is fine.I asked for a new silicone ring which they are sending to me. (it is only 4 dollars if you need to order it). It turns out it easily replaced, just remove one screw. I will replace the old silicone ring when it arrives since I do notice that the silicone ring becomes more slippery over time where the portafilter comes in contact with it. Other than that, the machine has been a great experience.

I was intrigued by the new /B model since I have only recently purchased my machine, so I emailed customer service and got a response.

Basically, the improvements with this machine are extremely incremental and the /B doesn't represent a huge change from say the A21 model.

For instance, a computer program version # could progress as: 1.7, 1.8, 1.9 and then 2.0. Just because it has reached 2.0, doesn't mean it's completely different than version 1.9. The same is true with this machine. The /B model probably only has 1 or 2 extremely small changes from the last iteration of the A version.

If you want a Breville DB, I would just go ahead and buy one from a reputable source such as Amazon or one of the well known smaller vendors. Chances are, you will get one of the latest models in the A series and it'll be nearly identical to the /B model.

I'm repeating what I heard from the Breville customer service rep and coming up with my own conclusions so I don't mean to speak as an authority, but this is how I understand it.

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