(26-10-2010 09:06 PM)gaglamesh731 Wrote: Uhm, no offence you guys from the US, but to some of us outside the US the Tea Party looks like a neo-Nazi movement.

The pattern seems to be the same.Uneducated , angry people ; social problems ; economic problems; and to top it all a political party that exploits all their anguish to get ahead.
The violence seems there as well.

No offense taken. To some of us within the US the tea party looks the same way.

I think the original tea party message about fiscal sanity and reaction to government over reaching was a good message. Unfortunately, the concept has been completely hijacked by the wingnut contingent and, thanks to the wonders of the 24-7 news cycle, it's turned into a total farce.

Really a tragedy because this country could use a serious grass roots movement. The two main political parties are complete and utter sellouts to large corporate interests that basically fund their campaigns. Unfortunately, most of the tea party candidates we get are beyond extremists. If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny.

Oh, and for whomever brought up Odonnell, I wouldn't worry about her winning in Delaware. I won't say the US can never experience a Nazi like movement, but I will say Christine ODonnell will not win that election. Even the Republicans have come out against her.

Shackle their minds when they're bent on the cross
When ignorance reigns, life is lost

(26-10-2010 09:06 PM)gaglamesh731 Wrote: Uhm, no offence you guys from the US, but to some of us outside the US the Tea Party looks like a neo-Nazi movement.

The pattern seems to be the same.Uneducated , angry people ; social problems ; economic problems; and to top it all a political party that exploits all their anguish to get ahead.
The violence seems there as well.

I think Nazi references, including Obama as a Hitler caricature, have made the Press since he took office. That would then be a reference intending to implicate the Democratic party as such, since he is the top Dem. in the country.
So it's ironic, if that's the right word, for the Tea Party to now be afforded the label, due to their expressive tactics in contrast and opposition to all things Democrat.

That being said, given your observation, what of the Tea Parties platform do you see as related to the political philosophy afforded as, National Socialism?

It's not their policies per-say but their political tactics. People seem desperate in the US since few have jobs and most get by very hard. Many people did not have access to education and cannot afford it.
It's the exploitation of these simple people , desperate to improve their lives that makes me think of the Nazi party and how it took advantage of the populace in post WW1 Germany.
Also certain members within the Tea Party have resorted to violence and threats but have never been held accountable by their political party.
Maybe I'm just exaggerating.My opinions are based on what I've seen on CNN and TYT.

Also like some republicans they seem to have it out for immigrants and minorities , treating them with scorn.(Based on ads and a few speeches)

And as a last point they seem to be in the right of the political spectrum,from what I've gathered.

I would concur with BnW and 2Buck's observations, as well as add my own to further the answer to your point of view, that is taking it all in from an international perspective.
The Tea Party is primarily funded as a political rival machine to the standard two party system, by the Koch brothers. (Pronounced "Coke" brothers). Who are the owners of Koch Industries. One of the largest privately owned companies in the U.S.

While the message at the beginning was, as has been observed here, a matter of giving voice to the angst of the working class, it has seemingly evolved through a collusion of media spin doctors, to appear as a circle of whacks, who are anti-everything that those working class people stand for unless and until they're wearing white dunce caps, burning crosses in select front yards, and goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue, while screaming; big brother, spics and niggers suck!

I think when the puppet masters behind the curtain are known to be multi-billionaires, with a shady past of their own when it comes to business ethics, it's not a stretch to question the legitimacy of that Tea Party platform that allegedly sponsors giving voice to the voiceless, opportunity to the disenfranchised, and equality and standing in the Halls of power.

Rather, I think what has happened is exactly what big business acumen knew would occur, when the "little guys" were afforded a big stick, so as to beat hell out of the good old boy network that has run D.C. and this nation from it's inception and in the process, appears not as credible forthright professional's, but rather as reactionary, intolerant, far right nut jobs.
And that, just like when prior to this movement that has gained faster ground than any other third party in the history of the process, serves to derail the electorates attention to the real agenda that the opponent forces, which are the traditional's (Dem's & Republicans), are putting forth so as to gain the vote they're accustomed to so as to play the same old same, while the Tea's throw a monkey wrench into the works distracting the worst common denominator voter, from knowing not only what's really going on, but so as to persuade that vote away from the traditional party choice.

In so doing, the Tea Party supporter/voter, feels they at least tried to make a change, while the Republicans acquire the vote because all things being equal their candidates are close enough to the platform afforded by the Tea Party movement, and their credentials are substantive enough they will be seen as being more qualified to work for both parties while bearing the credibility their traditional philosophy argues and implements.

Or, conversely, the Koch's are simply working the Con as a tool for the Democratic party so as to make the Republicans, through the example of their extremist arm the Tea Party, look like psycho whack jobs and as a consequence, people will re-elect the Democratic majority in order to avoid what is exampled in the press spin, from having actual power in the Hall.

Either way, it's politics. They're all whores, and we're getting screwed but not at our monies worth.
That's so wrong, because only the babies, the future screwies, stand to get kissed for the trouble.

Where I see the Nazi tie in, at the risk of furthering Godwin's law into this discourse, is through the implementation of the observation's of Herman Goering, 21st century style.

Source"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." Hermann Goering, Hitler's Nazi Reichsmarshall and Luftwaffe-Chief, off the record and during an interview with Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist. *(Goering later committed suicide via/ a smuggled arsenic capsule, before execution of sentence for war crimes)

(28-10-2010 03:13 AM)gaglamesh731 Wrote: Well that's nice. Has a better ring than nihilist.

Well look at the bright side. You could go for over achiever and be both.

Forgive the degree of nerdiness(not a real word) but that's one achievement I look forward to unlocking.

It's easy if one is born without a conscience. (There is such a condition actually) For everyone else it's a matter of hard study, so as to achieve the level of; don't give a chit about nuttin and no one, but could polish off a box of popcorn while happily watching everything die.