I think there's a good chance Arod gets the lifetime ban. What a waste.

chicagowhitesox1

07-28-2013, 04:38 PM

I think there's a good chance Arod gets the lifetime ban. What a waste.

I know the Yankees would love to see that happen but it sounds like he's going to be banned until 2015. I can't imagine why he would want to come back after all this though.

DumpJerry

07-28-2013, 04:52 PM

:crossfingers: Please let it be released before the 31st
I vote for August 1st. **** the teams that signed these losers.

Boondock Saint

07-28-2013, 04:56 PM

I vote for August 1st. **** the teams that signed these losers.

I think the point is to protect teams who might unwittingly trade for said users.

DumpJerry

07-28-2013, 05:01 PM

I think the point is to protect teams who might unwittingly trade for said users.
No, the point was to increase the value of Rios, Peavy, etc. to teams that suddenly have a need for proven veteran. Why help out those teams unless Oakland wants to give us Cespedes?

TaylorStSox

07-28-2013, 05:08 PM

We all know who's going to be suspended. It shouldn't affect trade value.

How does MLB have the authority to suspend him for almost 200 games? Officially, this is his first offense which the CBA states should be a 50 game ban.

Even if they try it, don't you think A-Rod would win an appeal?

doublem23

07-29-2013, 09:28 AM

How does MLB have the authority to suspend him for almost 200 games? Officially, this is his first offense which the CBA states should be a 50 game ban.

Even if they try it, don't you think A-Rod would win an appeal?

There are reports that A-Rod was buying records from the Biogenesis clinic with the intent to destroy them, so I could easily see how MLB could hand him a 50 game PED suspension and then tack the rest on for his attempted cover up.

It will not sit right if the Yankees get out of that contract because of this. It seems like there should be punishment for the team that harbors the juicer. The Yankees are getting rewarded (if the ban holds up). Maybe they should be required to give some or all of the intended salary to charity or something like that.

It also seems like it will set a bad precedent. What's to stop the Angels from doing the most thorough investigation possible to try to get out of the Pujols contract? Obviously if he's clean, it won't matter, but if he's dirty he shouldn't be investigated any more than the average player until there is some evidence.

doublem23

08-01-2013, 11:36 AM

It will not sit right if the Yankees get out of that contract because of this. It seems like there should be punishment for the team that harbors the juicer. The Yankees are getting rewarded (if the ban holds up). Maybe they should be required to give some or all of the intended salary to charity or something like that.

It also seems like it will set a bad precedent. What's to stop the Angels from doing the most thorough investigation possible to try to get out of the Pujols contract? Obviously if he's clean, it won't matter, but if he's dirty he shouldn't be investigated any more than the average player until there is some evidence.

A-Rod's lifetime ban stems from more than just his alleged steroid use, MLB apparently has pretty damning information that he blatantly interfered with their investigation of Biogenesis to cover up the allegations.

russ99

08-01-2013, 12:00 PM

A-Rod's lifetime ban stems from more than just his alleged steroid use, MLB apparently has pretty damning information that he blatantly interfered with their investigation of Biogenesis to cover up the allegations.

Also that he was kind of a ringleader of the operation, and he recruited other players to go to Biogenesis.

Looks real messy either way, if they suspend him 150 games, the perception is they cut a deal and let him off easy. If they ban him for life, then this will become mired in the courts with A-Rod having a decent first-offense defense, and bring the game into further disrepute.

Wouldn't mind seeing Bud hang it up after this too.

And yes, it would really suck to see the Yankees luck out of that contract, but who knows, maybe A-Rod can sue to get a piece of that too.

Chez

08-01-2013, 12:08 PM

And yes, it would really suck to see the Yankees luck out of that contract, but who knows, maybe A-Rod can sue to get a piece of that too.

Is there any evidence which suggests that the Yankees knew or suspected that A-Rod was involved in Biogenesis before the story broke? Evidence, not rumor?

A. Cavatica

08-01-2013, 01:36 PM

I hope he doesn't get the lifetime ban. I want the Yankees to have to pay off that contract.

Noneck

08-01-2013, 02:02 PM

The Bud man better really do his homework on Rodriguez. This is no stumble bum like Rose that didnt have two nickles to rub together to fight the ban. Rodriguez will fight this with the best lawyers and will take it to the max. Who knows where this will go if it hits the courts, it may be not good for MLB.

SOXSINCE'70

08-01-2013, 03:29 PM

I would like to enter Ryan Raeburn's name into the conversation.He had a "week" against the Sox in only 4 days.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

voodoochile

08-01-2013, 03:45 PM

I know the Yankees would love to see that happen but it sounds like he's going to be banned until 2015. I can't imagine why he would want to come back after all this though.

:payrod:
"Your WHAT hurts?!?!?!?!"

white sox bill

08-01-2013, 06:03 PM

Thing is, most (not all) of the known juicers are pretty good w/o the drugs. Its not like AROD was like Royce Clayton in his natural days

soltrain21

08-01-2013, 09:06 PM

Thing is, most (not all) of the known juicers are pretty good w/o the drugs. Its not like AROD was like Royce Clayton in his natural days

When were the natural days?

Boondock Saint

08-01-2013, 09:12 PM

I hope he doesn't get the lifetime ban. I want the Yankees to have to pay off that contract.

That'd be a pretty ****ty reason to keep a scumbag like Rodriguez in baseball.

Mr. Jinx

08-01-2013, 10:16 PM

Thing is, most (not all) of the known juicers are pretty good w/o the drugs. Its not like AROD was like Royce Clayton in his natural days

I had a friend who was convinced that Big Mac couldn't possibly hit a home run with juicing. Okay.

A. Cavatica

08-02-2013, 12:03 AM

That'd be a pretty ****ty reason to keep a scumbag like Rodriguez in baseball.

He's no more of a scumbag than Bonds, and Bonds didn't get a lifetime suspension.

I think Yankee money has damaged the sport just as much as steroids have.

DSpivack

08-02-2013, 12:48 AM

He's no more of a scumbag than Bonds, and Bonds didn't get a lifetime suspension.

I think Yankee money has damaged the sport just as much as steroids have.

Did Bonds encourage other play to use steroids? I thought that was a big part of Rodriguez getting an extended suspension as compared to all of the other Biogenesis cases.

PalehosePlanet

08-02-2013, 01:43 PM

Did Bonds encourage other play to use steroids? I thought that was a big part of Rodriguez getting an extended suspension as compared to all of the other Biogenesis cases.

Didn't Bonds turn Gary Sheffield onto "the clear"?

But, oh yeah....never mind... Bonds didn't know it was a steroid cream, he thought it was flaxseed oil. :rolleyes:

Boondock Saint

08-02-2013, 02:15 PM

He's no more of a scumbag than Bonds, and Bonds didn't get a lifetime suspension.

I think Yankee money has damaged the sport just as much as steroids have.

Bonds didn't attempt to purchase his medical records so that he could destroy the evidence of his PED use.

WhiteSox5187

08-02-2013, 02:54 PM

Bonds didn't attempt to purchase his medical records so that he could destroy the evidence of his PED use.

No, the key witness is his case just didn't feel like talking for some unknown reason. I believe it is magic.

TheVulture

08-02-2013, 03:13 PM

That'd be a pretty ****ty reason to keep a scumbag like Rodriguez in baseball.

Maybe he's been juicing since high school, but I saw him play in the Midwest League at age 19 and it was obvious then he was a great player.

WLL1855

08-02-2013, 06:18 PM

No, the key witness is his case just didn't feel like talking for some unknown reason. I believe it is magic.

Its not really witness tampering if nobody can prove it.

soxfanreggie

08-03-2013, 02:34 AM

It will not sit right if the Yankees get out of that contract because of this. It seems like there should be punishment for the team that harbors the juicer. The Yankees are getting rewarded (if the ban holds up). Maybe they should be required to give some or all of the intended salary to charity or something like that.

It also seems like it will set a bad precedent. What's to stop the Angels from doing the most thorough investigation possible to try to get out of the Pujols contract? Obviously if he's clean, it won't matter, but if he's dirty he shouldn't be investigated any more than the average player until there is some evidence.

I agree about the money going to outside charity. The last thing I want is people in the group that allows Bud Selig, who has a history of hurting the game of baseball, to benefit from a heavy-handed suspension.

Hitmen77

08-04-2013, 01:12 AM

Except for his near billion dollar earnings

....and his World Series championship.

At some point his ego destroyed him. He along with Griffey Jr are still the best young players I've ever seen.

I found this interesting when I read it back in the spring:
http://www.nbcsports.com/joe-posnanski/if-you-could-freeze-those-moments-yes-if-only

getonbckthr

08-04-2013, 02:58 AM

Thing about Bonds is if McGwire and Sosa didn't cheat their way to records he never juices. Bonds' juicing was purely out of jealousy. He knew he was better than them but wasn't getting the attention that he craved and needed. Arod, Sosa and McGwire was about money and records Bonds was about public adoration that he felt cheated out of.

Golden Sox

08-04-2013, 09:36 AM

I keep reading that about 20 players are going to be suspended. I can't help but wonder if there's going to be some surprises amongst the players that are suspended. Will someone be suspended who nobody thought was on the juice? I just wish they would get it over with and start suspending the players who are dirty. Lets get it over with and lets move on from there.

TaylorStSox

08-04-2013, 12:15 PM

Thing about Bonds is if McGwire and Sosa didn't cheat their way to records he never juices. Bonds' juicing was purely out of jealousy. He knew he was better than them but wasn't getting the attention that he craved and needed. Arod, Sosa and McGwire was about money and records Bonds was about public adoration that he felt cheated out of.

That makes it even worse.

thomas35forever

08-04-2013, 02:20 PM

I'm just glad somebody is finally getting the suspension a PED user deserves. If this doesn't force players to get off this stuff, nothing will.

WhiteSox5187

08-04-2013, 03:58 PM

Hawk just said that USA Today is reporting that A-Rod will be suspended through the 2014 season, A-Rod is planning to appeal. He will play on Monday.

DSpivack

08-04-2013, 04:38 PM

Hawk just said that USA Today is reporting that A-Rod will be suspended through the 2014 season, A-Rod is planning to appeal. He will play on Monday.

That contradicts what I read elsewhere today, that the 'good of the sport' clause means that he will not play during an appeal.

A. Cavatica

08-04-2013, 06:00 PM

Hawk just said that USA Today is reporting that A-Rod will be suspended through the 2014 season, A-Rod is planning to appeal. He will play on Monday.

Hope we hit him every time he comes up.

Twins_Morneau

08-04-2013, 06:19 PM

When the heck are they releasing this mystical list?:scratch: All we see every week is some bozo hyping up the big names on the list and nothing is leaked other than the usual suspects ARoid and Braun.

sunofgold

08-04-2013, 08:54 PM

Hope we hit him every time he comes up.

They can bench him. Why play him ? At the last year he was playing horribly anyways