London Police Took 20 Min to Respond to Muslim Beheading, But Quickly Arrest 85-Year-Old British Woman for Islamophobia

Priorities, priorities. Witnesses claim it took London police 20 minutes to show up and stop the two Muslim killers. The official police narrative is something like 9 minutes for the unarmed police and 14 minutes for the armed police (those crazy Americans with their guns everywhere, really.)

“An 85-year-old woman has this afternoon been arrested after abuse was hurled at Muslims outside Gillingham Mosque. The pensioner was handcuffed and taken away in a van by officers attending the Canterbury Street mosque for Friday prayers. As worshippers gathered outside the venue, a woman at a nearby bus stop shouted: “go back to your own country”.

The arrested woman, from the Maidstone Road area of Chatham, was taken away by officers at about 1.45pm and is now in police custody. A Kent Police spokesman said: “An 85 year old woman from Chatham was arrested on suspicion of a public order offence.”

This woman survived WW2 and presumably learned all the wrong lessons about resisting fascism. But if she had been a Muslim beheading a British soldier, she could have just strolled away while the police took 20 minutes to come around.

An extra 1,200 police officers were deployed on the streets of London after an impromptu English Defence League protest descended into violence in Woolwich, south-east London, following Wednesday’s terrorist attack.

EDL leader Tommy Robinson, was among a group of around 250 men, who gathered in Woolwich near the scene of the terror attack, chanting anti-Islamic slogans.

He added: “They’ve cut one of our Army’s heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It’s not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam.

Well that’s a crisis. People are speaking the truth. Can’t have that.

If two Muslims butcher a soldier in broad daylight, the police will one day show up. But if 250 men chant that this sort of butchery represents Islam, then 1,200 officers have to be sent in to keep the peace. And by peace, we mean Islam.

In Bristol two men were detained following allegedly racist messages that appeared on Twitter following the terrorist murder. A spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police said two men aged 22 and 23 were being questioned over the incident.

He said: “The men were arrested under the Public Order Act on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred. They are currently in custody. Our enquiries into these comments continue.”

If the authorities had been similarly motivated to take in Muslims who incite racial and religious hated in the name of Islam, the attack in London would never have happened.

But why bother learning any lessons? Just shoot the messenger.

The spokesman added: “These comments were directed against a section of our community. Comments such as these are completely unacceptable and only cause more harm to our community in Bristol. “People should stop and think about what they say on social media before making statements as the consequences could be serious.”

Yes, do stop and think. You wouldn’t want to end up in jail for asking why the authorities are ignoring Muslim terrorism.

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century.

I just read in the news that British police are actually arresting people for what would be an exercise of our First Amendment rights here in the US. England's socialist PC welfare state is rotten…and most Brits know it. They have had it with the multicult diversity fantasy, the terrorists, the bombings of the London subway and now this outrage….a murder of a defenseless British young man in broad daylight by subhuman barbarians………T he Orwellian bureaucratic hacks cannot comprehend why the English are furious. This is why England is facing an upheaval. Political correctness has become synonymous with psychosis.

glen

Yes I agree with everything you say its time to make a stand get them out we can not trust them in and around use so get ride of the cancer that eats away and make the land british again as we no each other and dont hide behind Muslim religion that looks down on us.if they dont live here they can not do the things they keep doing

not agaisnt faith

for those who are saying Islam is peace must read Quran once and little about muhammad the prophet of Islam, infact we must have “read Quran day” , so that world knows what islam really means.
yes they should not be against muslims but against this ideology of Islam, since muslims are victims of islam it controls them like a robot where Quran is like a programme in their brain and muhammad is like microcontroller, they are zombies of this Islamic cult.
stay away from Taqiya Quran. Western Ignorance about true Islam will take west in dark ages.
Know Islam, Stop Islam. as they say truth shall make us free, including muslims.

gee59

Those two Muslim thugs taught everybody what the Qu'ran says without having to open the book

Samuel H

Sweden is also the global rape capital thanks to Islamic immigration.

Raping, beheading, sex and drug trafficking, slavery, burning and bombing are the mark of the plague of Islam spreading where addle-brain liberals open the doors and let them in.

Hired Mind

IF EVER there was a time for a bit of civil disobedience and standing up to the police, it would have been while this old lady was being manhandled and carted off to jail. There should have been a crowd there, putting themselves between her and the police, first dozens, then hundreds of people, building to thousands if necessary.

Britain, you are rotting from the inside if your citizens are unwilling to stand up for the freedom to speak.

This is a city that will riot for seemingly no reason at all, and won’t lift a finger to help an old lady.

figment

>>won't lift a finger to help an old lady

the only person to come to the aid of the soldier who was being butchered in the street was a little lady with a stroller, the rest were all too busy videotaping. .

Porky's2istan

Britain has the most restrictive weapons laws on the planet. No guns, no stun guns, no mace, no pepper spray, no bean bag guns, no concealed weapons, Maybe if there was a sports shoppe nearby they could have taken on the assassins with cricket bats.

The entire population are like sheep waiting for the slaughter.

bob e

thank you dan

Steve Fraser

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was The Party's final most essential command.". With the destruction of common sense The Party could do anything it wanted, as the individual no longer existed.

lazypadawan

The Brits have lost their own country. And soon we will too.

BS77

Not so fast. Millions of Brits are fully awake now…….and so are millions of Americans.

S.Smith

Maybe but a little late as I don't notice them/us making any difference. If we get arrested for only shouting at Muslims then our hands are tied, or soon will be.
Look at how the EDL are treated. Look at how that maniac Islamic fanatic Choudary can go around preaching treason all day long : the overthrow of British law to be replaced by Sharia , and his fellow Imbeciles dressed in 7th century garb sporting Muslim beards hold placards " behead all those who insult Islam"and he is never arrested because only Muslims are protected by free speech ?! Where are the mass protests at this travesty of justice? Until this happens there is sadly no hope.

fahrenheit211.net

I'm British and I'm utterly disgusted by this. I'm disgusted by the murder of Drummer Rigby, disgusted by the fact that 1200 Old Bill could be found to guard Mosques, yet for a decade various of our County and regional police forces ignored very widespread violent sexual abuse by groups of Muslims.

I'm also angry that we have lost the right to speak freely against evil, and that our Prime Minister utters lies by saying that Islam is a religion of peace. When I read or blog on stories like this I feel ashamed of my Government, not my country but my Government.

Myself, personally am not prepared to stand by and see the works of generations fall to the violent and dishonest death cult of Islam and therefore I feel that I have to speak out. Sadly the socialists and the gutless CINO's of the Cameron/Clegg Coalition have turned Britian from a country where a person could speak freely provided that they didn't directly incite violence, to one where criticising the ideology of Islam brings with it a very real fear of a 4AM knock on the door and removal by the Police.

LIBERTY GB: Weston asks, "Is Britain sustainable?" Join us in Croydon on Saturday!
Since Wednesday's murder of a young soldier in Woolwich, politicians, the media and the police have joined forces to explain away the savagery and exhonerate predatory Islam. With this, as with every act of Muslim barbarism, the politically correct mantra, 'Islam is a religion of peace' becomes louder but less plausible.

Politicians dissemble because they fear the honest and open debate that might bring their multicultural house of cards crashing down. The left-wing media divert attention to the demonstrators, evidently hoping to set up a moral equivalence between rowdy street demonstrations and the cold-blooded murder that prompted them. And the police respond with aggression (and unaccustomed efficiency) to public criticisms of Islam by arresting and silencing dissenters.

At the root of many of Britain's troubles are the insane immigration policies (supported by all recent governments) that threaten to overwhelm our once placid country and plunge it into chaos.

Efforts to prevent such an outcome must begin by sweeping away the lies and appeasement of officialdom and replacing them by an honest and forthright discussion of the true nature of our present problems.

In Croydon, South London on Saturday 25 May Liberty GB leader Paul Weston will tell the truth about Britain's crisis, about the background to this week's atrocity, and the steps we must take to avert Britain's descent into civil conflict… http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-liberty…

The British have trusted their government and now find that their own government doesn't give a damn for it's citizens. Now do you understand why Americans got rid of the crown and are so fanatical when it comes to protecting their rights from their own government?

chimoio

what can I say to follow that mate?with you all the way…..

righttimewrongplace

Unfortunately it appears thousands of Englishmen and women are going to have to die before the stupid Gov't figures out what Islam really is.

BS77

Not going to happen. The people already know. They can see what is going on right in front of them.

Ghostwriter

I don't think many can reject what we see with our eyes and ears about what's been going on lately.

Sean

I found this site by accident through google. I am a white Christian Londoner. I am genuinely worried how biased this article is. Armed police responded within 14 mins. What more do you want? They even shot the offenders! Surely that satisfies your apparent lust for Muslim blood? The fact is that these two idiots do not represent Islam, not even a little. There may very well be more of these fools out there who have hostile feelings towards the West / Westerners, but this type of hate filled "news" article is more likely to exacerbate the problem rather than solve it. I personally know a number of Muslim Londoners who condemn this act and who are suggesting solutions rather than th EDL donning balaclavas and targeting darker skinned members of the community indiscriminately. Shame on those who blame this "beheading" on Islam. Including the ignorant 85 year old who thinks it is acceptable to shout "go back to your own country" at other citizens. You are a disgrace to our wonderful, accommodating and FREE country.

objectivefactsmatter

"What more do you want? They even shot the offenders! Surely that satisfies your apparent lust for Muslim blood?"

Who is biased?

objectivefactsmatter

"The fact is that these two idiots do not represent Islam, not even a little."

The fact is that you are a liar or profoundly ignorant. Possibly both.

objectivefactsmatter

"I personally know a number of Muslim Londoners who condemn this act and who are suggesting solutions"

That's so f-ing impressive. Now that you're on the case I guess we don't have to worry about Islamic…excuse me, terror that has nothing to do with Islam (other than people shouting Allah akbar and leaving video explanations but other than that having "nothing" to do with Islamic ideology).

objectivefactsmatter

"There may very well be more of these fools out there who have hostile feelings towards the West / Westerners, but this type of hate filled "news" article is more likely to exacerbate the problem rather than solve it. "

See the latest news reports of Muslims being murdered in broad daylight in retaliation. Wait, that's Gaza and other "peaceful Muslims" are doing those special activities too.

Wait, look over there, what's that? Not Islam, that's for sure.

objectivefactsmatter

"…rather than th EDL donning balaclavas and targeting darker skinned members of the community indiscriminately."

What precisely does that mean? "Targeting" how? Did any religious feelings get hurt? Call the armed police.

objectivefactsmatter

"Shame on those who blame this "beheading" on Islam. Including the ignorant 85 year old who thinks it is acceptable to shout "go back to your own country" at other citizens."

Well, if they were not natural born citizens then maybe they should. That only seems insane to indoctrinated leftists. But really what is urgent is keeping people from conspiring against law and order. That's what happens in many mosques and people are fed up with "tolerance" of these terrorists conspiring against non-sharia laws and customs.

Someone gets murdered and you protect the murderers and those who apologize for the murderers.

objectivefactsmatter

"You are a disgrace to our wonderful, accommodating and FREE country."

You can't even tolerate written criticism on an American blog, the nation that saved your country from destruction more than once. Without America, you'd be completely unfree, or dead. And look what you did with your freedom? You gave it away and you've been indoctrinated to see your wretched life as though you still have those freedoms.

I don't hate or even dislike British people. But I'm too familiar with the effects of socialist-communist indoctrination. I pity you and your perceptions of freedom. You don't actually know what freedom is. You've likely never experienced it.

How is that European Economic Community working out for you? That's just about trade agreements, right?

Bunch of stupid dupes. Enjoy Eurabia.

jeanjean4

My sister lived in London for four jears. On her way to work, she was beaten bloody by a muslim man – she was just wayting for the train to come. Many evenings on her way home she had to run, as muslim youth jelled "jew,jew" and you know what that means for muslims. She is not jewish by the way. Old bearded muslim men shoved her intentionally. Her flatmate was a gay guy. Do you want to hear more? Today the whole neighbourhood is a sharia controlled area. She left London and now lives in a small town. She obviously lived a biased life.

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Sean

Codswallop that is completely false and would not happen in any part of London. You are also implying here that the fact her flat mate was gay is a bad thing? Hmm I can see the type of medieval mentality we are dealing with here. Call me "mr progressive" but I think we can leave the homophobia back in the 20th century

gee59

Oh – so those hanging gays in the MUSLIM world THIS YEAR are just so ignorant of how you have moved past that, right. Want to buy a tower?

Sean

So your argument is that these "backward Muslims" are homophobic, so we should be too? I'm not sure what you mean. One of us is definitely missing the point

Guest

@sean aka mohammed. your grasp of english is impressive, moslem troll. Aren't you late for a beheading?

Sean

It comes in time with reading my friend. Your hate filled comment tells me all I need to know about you. Another terrified person. It's ok, the Muslims are not really coming for you….

objectivefactsmatter

"So your argument is that these "backward Muslims" are homophobic, so we should be too? I'm not sure what you mean. One of us is definitely missing the point"

No. The argument is that you "bravely" and stupidly attack those who criticize barbarians as being the barbarians.

Sean

I'm not attacking anyone. Instead you and your cronies here have metaphorically set upon me like a pack of dogs for putting my, rather less fanatical opinion across.

Your name implies objective facts matter to you and yet the majority of what I see is subjective opinion presented as fact.

objectivefactsmatter

"I'm not attacking anyone. Instead you and your cronies here have metaphorically set upon me like a pack of dogs for putting my, rather less fanatical opinion across."

You "feel" it's because you're not like us…using your erroneous judgment about what we're trying to communicate.

"Your name implies objective facts matter to you and yet the majority of what I see is subjective opinion presented as fact."

Give me an example. Do you for example deny any of the facts presented in the article we're commenting on?

Porky's2istan

You totally misunderstand the gay comment, Sean. Muslims treat homosexuals exceptionally bad. It's well documented if you care to research it. In most muslim nations, homosexuals are EXECUTED.

I am also (mostly) a hard core lefty/pinko/commie/liberal/progressive. I agree that sometimes sites like this do more harm than good in spreading the truth about the TRUE nature of isalm. We lefties are so conditioned to ignoring anything said by conservatives because conservative are wrong almost 85% of the time. (Here in America) We already know what a hundred years of conservative rule would look like: MEXICO. The top 1% would own everything while the bottom 99% would live in filth and squalor and are controlled with conservative religious indoctrination instead of real socialist reforms (like universal education, health care, and social justice).

But like a broken clock, conservatives can be right two times a day, and hating islam is one of those times. If you care to research it, you will see it is truly a vile disgusting religion. It, literally, is almost exactly the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Islam comprises a complete system of both religion AND government enforced with violence. It is a theocratic totalitarian system every bit as dangerous as Fascism, Communism, or Nazism.

Your 'muslim' friends probably don't even know this about islam. Unlike the Bible, the Quran, Sira, and Hadiths are hopelessly jumbled and convoluted, but the sheer number or COMMANDMENTS for hatred and violence start to show through with even the most cursory study. But if your muslim friends go to mosque, their imam DOES know all this. Someday your muslim friends (or their children, or grandchildren) WILL know this about islam. Then they will have to choose to leave islam (and possibly be murdered by their family), or stay, embrace the evil of islam, and then murder a defenseless man on the street while shouting "Alahu Akbar!!!" (Allah is the greatest).

"Codswallop that is completely false and would not happen in any part of London."

Denial.

Sean

Evidence / facts

objectivefactsmatter

"Evidence / facts"

I'll trust the other's testimony over your denial. Neither one of you can present hard facts in this forum, but the other has testimony that is far more plausible and consistent with the facts of history.

I don't care if you're skeptical within reason. You're too confident that somehow you can attack testimony on a purely subjective basis. Your views aren't informed by any significant facts at all.

You even said it WOULD NOT (could not) happen. Not that you were skeptical but that it was impossible. That's insane denial.

objectivefactsmatter

"You are also implying here that the fact her flat mate was gay is a bad thing?"

The point is that from the perspective of sharia law it is considered bad by the people we're analyzing.

Sean

That's not the way it comes across and in fact it is really quite a stretch to infer that from jeanjean's comment.

I get the impression that the racism and xenophobia here is linked with the homophobic undertones present in a number of these comment posts. It's all down to a lack of education and a fear of the unknown. Understandable really and very, very simple psychology.

objectivefactsmatter

"That's not the way it comes across…"

To you because you're bigoted.

"…and in fact it is really quite a stretch to infer that from jeanjean's comment. "

Not at all. It might be for you because you're not well informed about the topics we're discussing. I agree it was not explicitly stated, but since most of us are aware of the most crucial salients in the clashes between Islam and the rest of the world, it was very easy to discern.

Ignorant people would do better asking questions and seeking answers before passing judgment.

"I get the impression that the racism and xenophobia here is linked with the homophobic undertones present in a number of these comment posts."

Impressions based on what? Maybe like most bigots you're unaware of your own blind spots.

"It's all down to a lack of education and a fear of the unknown. "

So if we knew everything there is to know we'd realize there is nothing to fear. Is that your position?

"Understandable really and very, very simple psychology."

It's an overly simple and false narrative but I agree that it's somewhat coherent. That seems to be all that matters to people who can't handle complex narratives.

I understand where you're coming from but you've uncritically adopted a lot of false ideas from leftist social engineers and politicians. You're a dupe of the socialists and communists.

Mary Sue

if the people she was shouting at want to turn Britain into another Somalia, or Afghanistan, or Algeria, by advocating that Britain adopt Sharia law, then she is perfectly within her rights to say that.

Lust for Muslim blood? Are you on crack? When has that ever happened? Why don't you do something about the apparent Muslim lust for Kaffir blood? Ask your Muslim friends if they DENY THE DOCTRINE OF ARMED JIHAD. That's how you find out whether they're actually a PROBLEM or not.

Did you know about the "muslim patrol" where armed bands of muslim men go around harassing "uncovered" women, beer drinkers with open liquor walking down the street, and gay men?

jrg45721

Understand where you're coming from, but you need to wake up, do some earnest reading, rather than rely on "a number of Muslim Londoners", and then see what the other 1.3b might believe between them. Maybe not all of them. But enough of them to worry us, I suggest.

Meantime, ask your Muslim friends if they deny the doctrine of armed Jihad as spelled out in the Qur'an, Hadith and Shariah. They can't. It's so entrenched, some Muslims believe it's the 6th Pillar of Islamic belief and action.

Then ask them when Islam is going to Reform to remove Jihad from its Scriptures/Ideology/Dogma – all unchanged from the 7th/8th century when it was developed.

no name

You sound more like a muzzie scum exercising taqiyya and kitman. Go live in a muslim country!

Sean

And you, sir, sound like an awfully nice fellow that I would be proud to call my fellow countryman.

kafir4life

Sean – I suspect that the solutions that the muslim offer will involve your not being a Christian any longer, and that UK changes its policies. It would NEVER EVER involve muslims to stop behaving as muslims are commanded to behave by their terror guide, the koran, which was shat from the anal orifice of the pedophilic madman and false prophet, mohamat, who also invented the moon god allah.

Seriously Sean…..PLEASE be careful around muslims. They will slit your throat just for not being a muslim. Some will slit your throat for being the wrong "style" of muslim, and some will slit your throat for being not quite muslim enough.

See a muslim, watch a muslim.

WilliamJamesWard

The shame is all yours Sean and every nitwit like you that does not see the evil in front
of thier deluded faces, you have not swallowed the cool aid you have drowned in it.
Every where Islam is there is death and distruction, it is a religious society of felons
that is being bowed down to in England and elsewhere by cowards and those who have
been bought at the expense of freedom from harm and slavery onward with dark
tomorrows and your attitude aids and abets the criminal disease, wake up or shut up
you are part of the morbidity affecting England………………………………….William

Gamaliel

One of the murderers is on video explaining that there are lot of texts in Islam justifying what he did. Sean before you pontificated here did you ever bother to check whether that was the case. If you had, you would have found out that is indeed the case. In fact the killer hardly touched the surface of what Islam says to do. According to your view of the world, 9/11, 7/7 the Boston bombings and the killing of Lee Rigby and the thousands of other acts of Islamic terrorism that you did not know took place since 9/11 are just acts committed by ignorant idiots. Isn't it strange that Islam has so many more ignorant idiots than any other religion? There's a reason Muslims commit so much terrorism and the more Muslims there are in your country the more terrorism you will have. When they take over you will find your situation like the Christians of Egypt who undergo horrific persecution every day. I recommend you read http://www.mypracticalphilosophy.com/shelp/muhamm…

DWSWesVriginny

"…our wonderful, accomodating and FREE country." Yes, but NOT FREE ENOUGH to accomodate the speech of an 85 year old woman! Funny thing about your brand of tolerance: it's so intolerant!

chimoio

yo sean ! get ye to cairo and announce your christian ness,check it with the copts,maybe tell people in an ikwan area… speak to those that are of the religion of peace,make sure you tell them you are a christian tho!..then come back and report
and why do you put beheading in quotation marks? did it not really happen or something??

Sean

Re quotation marks, it's because they were so inept and under prepared they actually failed to decapitate the victim.

I currently have no plans to travel to Egypt, I prefer the tolerant and multi cultural atmosphere here in London

Sean

There are parts of the US where you would still be attacked for being black, or gay. That doesn't mean we should persecute Americans.

It's almost like saying all Christians are child molesters because of what the pedo priests do, or that they are all evil because of Waco…

I mean its just nonsense

objectivefactsmatter

"There are parts of the US where you would still be attacked for being black, or gay."

Sure.

"That doesn't mean we should persecute Americans."

It means you should tell the truth and make appropriate decisions about how to deal with people who don't behave well. That's what it's always meant. Can't do that in the UK or much of the EU.

I don't tolerate evil, just other cultures. Obviously the two men, raised and educated in the UK who committed this atrocious crime after "converting" to Islam, are twisted, damaged, possibly psychotic criminals who deserve the maximum punishment society will allow.

It really doesn't matter what colour or religion I am, but for what it's worth: I was confirmed into the Church of England at a young age, but am now more of an atheist after becoming disillusioned with the entire concept of religion. I'm not sure what type of hat you have, but I hope it tastes nice.

It actually saddens me a little to think that you refuse to believe or accept that people like me exist. The overwhelming majority of people in this world are tolerant, positive people. Extremists on all sides are the problem here. There is a lot of extreme talk on these pages.

objectivefactsmatter

"I don't tolerate evil, just other cultures. Obviously the two men, raised and educated in the UK who committed this atrocious crime after "converting" to Islam, are twisted, damaged, possibly psychotic criminals who deserve the maximum punishment society will allow. "

Right. And by lying about Islam we deceive people from leading future family interventions when fools turn to "the religion of peace" (peace before and after they slaughter people, they feel very peaceful then).

Kate

Sean what is wrong with you. They beheaded this young father shouting – Allah Akbar *spelling?
What in Gods name is wrong with you. When Muslims become a majority you will eat your words….or more correctly your children and grandchildren will. Something is wrong with Islam….something is terribly wrong. The culture does not mix with the West…period. Can you even imagine millions of Christians being allowed in Muslims countries…given housing, food, education and allowed to riot and kill Muslims. Can you even imagine this. I do not believe you. You are not a white Christian. You are a liar. You are not A European. You are a 3rd world immigrant.

Rose

Sean,Sean……I too am a white Christian and I suggest you read some of Patrick Sukhdeo's books or David Pawson's…………..this isn't scaremongering,it's fact.You ask "what more do you want"-I want that lovely young soldier who was brutally killed to be here alive again,I want this country to be a safe place for all,safe for children and 85 yr olds,and it isn't anymore.We are tolerating the intolerant and you as a Christian should know that there will come a time when it is no longer safe to admit to being a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ,and that people would be punished for it…….sound familiar?These two idiots as you call them DO represent islam and we have asked for this by allowing such an evil into our our country,and it's not just England suffering either,check out France,Australia,Germany,Ireland,the list is endless.I send you out as lambs amongst wolves………Yours in Christ,Rose.

Mohan Chandy

I am an evangelican brown Christian. Do you know what you are talking about?
Muslims are simply following the examples of the demonized prophet, Mohammed. He was a violent prophet from the beginning and the Muslims are simply following his example of terror. Peaceful Muslims are not the real Muslims; they have been Christianized to survive.

rcb56

Sean, the problem is that eventually you will be living under Sharia law and will no longer have your Free country.

objectivefactsmatter

"Sean, the problem is that eventually you will be living under Sharia law and will no longer have your Free country."

Unless he's older than the woman who got arrested, he's never been free.

WilliamJamesWard

Sean "he's never been free." Exactly, X'd in the head by socialism leaves the
malaise of chronic stupidity that is in epidemic proportions in England and
seemingly gone viral in Europe……………………….William

Charley

Long ago I enjoyed London and England numerous times. Been there and done that and a good thing too, 'cause I wouldn't be safe there any more….the coppers would arrest me commenting about what a insane place it had become.

objectivefactsmatter

"Long ago I enjoyed London and England numerous times. Been there and done that and a good thing too, 'cause I wouldn't be safe there any more….the coppers would arrest me commenting about what a insane place it had become."

London is OK as long as you carry a valid US passport. Forget about Amex, don't be caught without your tickets home.

They're all a bunch of collectivists now. Some worse than others, but none of them know what liberty is.

Lucius Sulla

The time has come that all freemen of the Republic should stand upon the sacred virtues of our divine founding. Let us turn no more from tyranny and evil lest we pass into history covered in the shame that only true weakness can bestow.

Let the winds of a freedom revolution sweep our mighty Republic. My friends, revolution is not born is mighty words nor heroic acts – it is born of a simple choice;

Shall I live free or suffer the injustice of chains placed about my neck surely as I had placed them myself?

The revolution of liberty is not built upon the winds of a march nor the gathering of patriots – rather it starts in the hearts of men as they sit alone in the darkness. It begins with a decision – a simple choice that can only be made by each of us.

Shall I stand upon liberty and the Constitution and demand that liberty remain the law of our land? It is a choice best made first by the simple exercise of a personal decision. If you are ready to truly take the first fated step of freedom then here is the line from which all revolution shall be born:

From this day forth let all men take hold of the instruments of liberty and carry them upon their person.

Surrender them not to any man lest you be found wanting in the times of tribulation and strife. Let the instruments of liberty be held sacred amongst all your possessions and found within your exercise at but a moments notice.

Should you encounter a brother of the Republic absent such arms, yet contained of a willing spirit suffer him not to remain removed of the tools of tribulation. Reach within your means and look to his defense, that you may yet find another brother with capacity to render defense when you should be compassed with the gravest of trials.

Let us endeavor to walk amongst our countrymen secure in the knowledge that should the vilest of evils encounter our brethren we stand able to lend a hard hand in the exercise of the gravest of liberties.

Let not one man step into our society absent the means to secure the life and liberty of another. Let all men of the Republic remain so prepared both day and night;

From now until they should themselves called unto eternity. Let not one of us perish that we should face the judgment absent excuse as to why we failed the liberty of another.

Let not another pass unto eternity that we should be found complicit absent the ready tools of liberty – for we shall be found guilty before God himself if we should fail the life of another.

Let not a single citizen of our vast Republic fall to a lonesome darkness that they should find themselves lost in the face of gravest harm; let them see and understand that they possess and bond of brotherhood forged in the mangled bodies and spilt blood of our fathers before us.

Let them know that wither they should walk they shall find themselves in the company of men – men born of our great liberty absent fear for their own lives;

Fearing only that another should have their life laid waste that we should be caught unprepared.

Let that citizen, and all citizens understand that we shall not go quietly into the night, nor shall we turn our backs to flight;

We shall face the trials before us unto our last bitter breath – that he which would rob another of life and liberty shall indeed surrender the self same as cost for their vile decisions.

That all shall know that the price for such an act is a demand in kind.

If you endeavor to strip another of that which God alone my endow we shall require the same of you – that you shall not draw yet one breath more nor take even that one last step.

Know that nothing less than the immediate forfeiture of your very soul to the burning fires of Hell shall be considered justifiable recompense for the evil that you should do.

My countrymen let us endeavor that we should never cower in the face of evil nor spend one moment more walking with our heads held low. Let us raise our eyes and square our shoulders to the struggles ahead. Let our families stand secure, our friends stand strengthened – and our hearts of our enemies fail for fear.

For we are the hand of justice and righteousness!

Victory or death – Lucius Sulla

Will Doohan

Most Excellent Lucius. I shall copy and forward it to my friends.

Shadeslanding

@Sean – are you kidding? 14 minutes or 20 minutes way too long of a response time. As for going after little old ladies who yell out "Go back to your country", your police were shall we say ol' Brit: Johnny on the spot.

Your country is upside down. Get your priorities right or your country will be looking like Sweden is with all the riots this past few days.

onecornpone

Do y'all remember Everybody Draw Mohammed Day, May 20, 2010?

I believe it may be about time for Brits to step up en masse to inundate their thought police, while demanding the Free Speech our American forebears left jolly ol England to secure for themselves.

vanessa

Everyone is afraid of Islam. All countries are. The Muslims know that by being outwardly violent they can control the world; they can shake the police everywhere. No leader will dare speak against Islam, lest they be the next target of violence. The civilized all around think they are superior because they are civilized. Wrong! Uncivilised Muslims are the superior people now.
And trust me, no single Muslim in the world is 'moderate'. There is no 'good Muslim' who chides the London hacking. They just pretend to condemn. If there is a true Muslim who really does not condone violence he would shrug off the religion and become non-Muslim immediately. But we don't see any such incidence, do we?
All the so-called peace loving Muslims are actually enjoying the scene, happy to see their brothers terrorizing the world and getting the upper hand. All the lands in the world are going to be Muslim lands. If we are not careful we will end up slaves to the modern sheiks in our own countries.

objectivefactsmatter

"Everyone is afraid of Islam. All countries are. The Muslims know that by being outwardly violent they can control the world; they can shake the police everywhere. No leader will dare speak against Islam, lest they be the next target of violence. The civilized all around think they are superior because they are civilized. Wrong! Uncivilised Muslims are the superior people now."

What you say is true, but they are mistaken about some of the implications of their behavior. Some leaders are truly scared but most of them are bought and paid for, and must listen to the PC explanations for fear of losing their Saudi funding and Muslim votes. When the rest of us make them pay a price for those compromises, they will either wake up or get tossed out.

The Muslims have no idea just how proficient our military is. They have no idea what a Western militia can accomplish. They now see themselves as favored by allah because we are supposedly all too scared. When we act collectively against them, it will end quickly. They won't like it at all but many will learn to live with it,

All that changes if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Then the politicians and peacenicks will be able to pitch in with the fearmongering (fear of standing up for our liberties) cranked up another notch and that will lead to a long and bloody war of factions all across the world.

The only true path to peace (Western peace) is a strong US military with leaders willing to communicate clearly what our values and standards are, and what thresholds we will define for our tolerance of their outrageous intolerance and perfidy.

The bottom line is that in theory we could change our leaders very quickly if we can build consensus. If we get another bunch of dupes in congress at the mid-terms and or 0'Bama is able to continue wrecking our power and our ability to build consensus based on the salient facts about Islam, the West may be lost very soon.

chimoio

go vanessa…..!.to the point well said, however …I am not afraid of islam ,more.., rather wary………., as of inadvertently treading in dog waste… there are enough of us…LAN ASTASLEM.

muslim girl

We are not loving this you ignorant woman. In our religion murder is a big sin. Get your fscts straight.

Jon MC

" In our religion murder is a big sin."
Kitman – the telling of a partial truth.
Murder of a Muslim without due cause is a big sin, sure.
But that does not apply to the Kafir and especially to the "Harbi" (those living in the "darul harb" – lit. "the house of war" meaning the non-Muslim world.)
The only non-Muslims who may not be killed are "Dhimmis" – "protected persons" who pay the Jizya (protection money) to keep the Muslims swords off their necks. And they must abide by Islam's rules (no criticism of Islam by ANYONE EVER) otherwise they ALL lose their protection and can be treated as "people of rebellion and contumacy" – i.e. as Harbis

John

Anyone know where this house is?

objectivefactsmatter

"Anyone know where this house is?"

Yes. It's any land or people outside of sharia law. It varies by point of view, but the principal is consistent even though subjectively applied. Think about the Sunni-Shia split and then you understand the difficulty of making it objectively coherent.

By almost any measure, all of America is included in any Islamic "house of war" calculations. So is Europe.

Moa

Sean, please look at the Qur'an Sura 9:5 and 9:29. The go and look at hadith Sahih Muslim 6985 (which explains the Middle East situation).

It is very common for Muslims to not understand the core doctrines of Islam (which is a *political ideology* with some superstition sprinkled on top). This is similar to how many Christians don't understand the deeper aspects of their personal faith either.

At the moment you are clearly clueless. Gets some facts and then come back and debate, k?

Kate m

Hello family Brits. I live in Perth Australia. Out of the way, one would think of northern hemisphere concerns.We’ve recently discovered that a visiting speaker offering to speak on the subject of concern about the influence and effect on democratic society by Islam, was unable to secure a speaking venue, anywhere. What happened to our free speech??? I’ll tell you. Fear of the Islamists being “offended” and bombing the venue, that’s what!!! What owner of premises wants a personal fatwa against them or their premises destroyed??? None, that’s how many.

guest

The new world order intends to use the muslims to control all non-statists like Christians, Jews , Hindus and so forth.

vanessa

Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of war and intolerance. The Quran advises people to kill the enemies. It teaches fellow Muslims to condemn all non- Muslims. i.e. The religion teaches people not to respect fellow human beings. Islam is therefore highly irrelevant in modern multi racial societies. Hence it would be wise for all Muslims to go back to their Islamic countries where they wouldn't encounter 'kafir's. (kafirs mean lowly people who are non- Muslims, as stated in Quran)
Let us remember that Islamic countries do not allow people of other religions to pray or build places of worship. They are smart. The rest of the world are stupid enough to accommodate Muslims and allow the building of mosques. God save the world!

muslim girls

We have a right to live here. We do not live on your money. We pay our taxes n earn our own money. Dont you dare blame those stupid men who killed the soldier on the rest of the Muslims.

Hannah

don’t lie. The majority of the ones of your kind are here because it is easy to get a full paid life for nothing.
Cut off welfare for muslim immigrants and the problem would be solved very soon.
The smart would have to go back volutarily , the rest (majority) would riot in the street immediately until the public gets fed up and finally chases the parasites to were they belong. Rotting in their deserts were they can pray to their moongod all day and behead each other as much as they like.

Waiting for that day. Will be on the streets to kick your parasitic asses.

objectivefactsmatter

"Cut off welfare for muslim immigrants and the problem would be solved very soon."

I thought government aid for immigrants was illegal? Who even thought of that nonsense? Tell them to show up to the nearest church charity and show some appreciation while they're at it.

objectivefactsmatter

"We have a right to live here."

Natural born citizens are the only ones with inalienable rights to live here indefinitely. That might include a jail sentence but you won't get deported.

"We do not live on your money. We pay our taxes n earn our own money. Dont you dare blame those stupid men who killed the soldier on the rest of the Muslims."

The USA does not have "thought crimes" and in any case if Islam is outlawed in any way, it won't be limiting personal belief. The point is that you can't be patriotic to our constitution and keeping your oath of citizenship if you cross your fingers and swear to be loyal to Islam first, and interpret that as being loyal to those who attack our constitution. Can you see the conflict? It's already against the law, but we don't have the political will to teach this or to prosecute the criminals.

Anyone who agitates against our constitution ought to be deported immediately unless they are natural born citizens. Of course they deserve a trial, but only with reasonable opportunities to appeal. The jury should always include 12 natural born citizens when prosecuting these cases.

It seems like you have nothing to worry about, and if we're successful you might even appreciate it after the fear dissipates about being targeted. Stop posing as a victim unless you can actually come up with a reason for it.

charlotte

Why is OK when radical clerics who live in the UK( off the taxpayer in fancy mansions) preach and spout their hatred about killing US and nothing happens t them? Yet after this atrocity, when we react in anger and shock and protest this barbarism which Islam advocates, we are arrested? Answer me that Sean. Islam is evil evil evil because Islam tells its followers in the Koran to kill the Jew and the infidel (us). I suspect Sean is a Muslim who adopts the name Sean.

Sean

Charlotte, I don't know whereabouts you live but I live in Brixton, very mixed area, all ethnicities here, There is a mosque nearby to my house, a few minutes walk away. Muslims in general are not bad people. Some are; like some Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, atheists etc are too. Where are these mansions that all these radical clerics live in funded by the taxpayer?? I think you have been reading too much daily mail. No one is arrested for protesting against barbarism. People get arrested for targeting abuse and violence at others based on their choice of religion or the colour of their skin. It is those people who are the extremists and it is this sort of ignorant mentality that previous generations fought AGAINST in world war 2. We are at the tipping point of a religious war here in the uk, and globally. If that kicks off, we're all in trouble. Personally I have seen many more white/western people inciting religious hatred than I have Muslims. And the EDL and BNP march regularly without getting arrested – until of course they turn on the police and start attacking them.

And no, I'm not a Muslim. I was confirmed Protestant but now I am more atheist since I started thinking for myself around age 12

James

"since I started thinking for myself around age 12"

well that hasn't gone too well for ye…

objectivefactsmatter

"And no, I'm not a Muslim. I was confirmed Protestant but now I am more atheist since I started thinking for myself around age 12"

Aha. A cultural Christian leftist that thinks Jesus was a left-wing radical revolutionary ("Palestinian" even) and therefore he thinks it's ok to sort of identify with Christianity and other religions he has no clue about.

Sean

Of course there ARE some radical clerics who espouse the most hateful nonsense. These guys are often shown on the tv etc. and yes they should not be tolerated but as I understand it their followings are rather small in comparison to the other 2m Muslims in our country (of 60m+). Muslims are like 2% of the population with the highest concentration in London…. Where I live! Lets not exaggerate these things

Papa Doc Penfro

2%? Where do you get your figures from? Recent surveys reveal that roughly 10% of the under 25s in the UK are Muslim. These are people who are encouraged to marry at a very young age and who have a birthrate far higher than the indigenous white population. The 'hateful nonsense' preached by 'some radical clerics' is, in reality, a call to war against Western values. You love to brag about your tolerance … how much do you think that the followers of these radical clerics will tolerate you when they become a majority? But, of course, 'Let's not exaggerate these things'.

muslim girl

A white man kills a muslim but we do not start attacking the rest of the white people. You have no right to attack the Muslims because of two stupid men who killed the soldier. Go and express your hatred to the two men. The rest of the Muslims have no responsibility in this. We are against them two men for killing the soldier not with them. Sort your facts out.

muslim girl

Can you see any Muslim's praising the two man? NO! Because we sre disgusted with the two men for what they did not happy

objectivefactsmatter

"Can you see any Muslim's praising the two man? NO!"

Most say absolutely nothing. The fact that there is any praise at all (which there has been) is totally disgusting. But most importantly we can see that they were following the principals of Islamic jihad.

objectivefactsmatter

"Can you see any Muslim's praising the two man? NO! Because we sre disgusted with the two men for what they did not happy"

I believe you when you speak for yourself.

objectivefactsmatter

"A white man kills a muslim but we do not start attacking the rest of the white people. "

The radicals do. That's another crucial problem; collectivism in Islam. You have no individual liberties. All of your rights are held by your father or brother.

"You have no right to attack the Muslims because of two stupid men who killed the soldier"

We can attack verbally anyone we want. We DO have that right. And we're attacking Islamic ideology. Some times people express that as "Muslims" which is short for "Muslim tendencies salient to the discussion" which means "implications of Islamic ideology."

We don't actually attack all Muslims but I can understand how you'd get that feeling. You're wrong.

"Go and express your hatred to the two men. The rest of the Muslims have no responsibility in this."

That's true. How are you being made to account for it? You're not.

"We are against them two men for killing the soldier not with them. Sort your facts out."

Then why are you so impatient that you can't even understand our criticism of your beliefs? We can criticize anyone or anything we see fit. If you don't like it, stick to the Islamic Internet, which doesn't actually exist of course but hey, you'll keep your "purity."

muslim girl

You know nothing bout islam

Mickey

“We are forced by the Koran…”, said Woolwich Jihad Killer, Michael Adebolajo.

Here are some of the instructions in the Koran and Islamic law:

Muslims “are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind” (3:112)
Non-muslims are unclean (9:28), the “vilest of beasts” (8:22).
Non-muslims are “the most despicable” (98:6), “as apes and pigs” (5:60).
The “excellent pattern” to non-muslims is “animosity and hatred forever” (60:4).
Allah does not love the unbelievers (3:32) (so muslims cannot either).
Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers (2:98) (so muslims must be, too).
Muslims are merciful to each other but ruthless to unbelievers (48:29).
Muslims, do not take Christians or Jews as friends or allies (5:51).
When the Koran instructs an action the muslim has no choice about it (33:36).
The “right path” denies Jesus’s divinity (19:35), crucifixion, and resurrection (4:157).
Kill unbelievers wherever you find them, unless they convert to Islam (9:5).

The Koran is “true from eternity to eternity” (Sam Solomon, professor of Sharia).
The Koran is part of Islamic law.
To deny any Koran verse brings the death penalty (Manual of Islamic Law o8.7(7)).

Much of Islamic law violates criminal law – honour-killing, wife-beating, child-beating, genital mutilation, the “right to hit and kick….. and break musical instruments”, slave-taking, and so on.

“It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such as “Christianity” and “Judaism” …are acceptable to Allah.”
Manual of Islamic Law w4.1(2)

In case different “interpretations” are claimed (as a distraction), here is Walid Shoebat’s “Question for the West”:

“What part of “kill” don’t they understand?”
(What the West Needs to Know)

Not exactly the religion of peace is it?!! If I hear another PC Politition say "But it's a Religion of Peace" again I'm going to puke. Like the Navy Seal said while he was looking off in the distance….I'm looking for the next war. Well it's upon us.

Mickey

"There's definitely a betrayal here, Prime Minister Cameron, but it is not a betrayal of Islam", David Wood.

How David Cameron and Boris Johnson are misinforming the public. Excellent short video:

There must be people like the historical Patrick Henry who said "give me liberty or give me death".
I have often thought this statement was clearly made with the understanding that sacrifice is
all one may have to give to thier loved ones and the unborn children of the future. Life never
flourishes under tyranny and socialist governments use the police to crush citizenry that get
away from the politically correct dogma of the day. The police will do what they are told as
the thought of life without a paycheck is horrifying to them and I understand that but, the
people will take just so much opression, just so much criminal behavior and abuse and
they will rise up and destroy thier opressors and remove the cause of the problems. Civil
war starts this way and it looks like England will soon be in the thick of it, multiculturalism
is the cause and those responsible will not own up to thier mistake and should be made
to at any cost……………………………………………….William

Lathan lee

Public beheadings and executions started in england in medioval times. England is truly a pace setter. England has rejected God and embraced homosexuality and other evils. How else do you expect to pay for your own deeds? When an enemy takes the city, the war is already won and over. Watch how those muslims drive you out of your cities you fools. No wonder most of your disoriented citizens are fleeing to asian countries.

Kevin

Can't argue with the truth.

Michael Copeland

The English have shown exemplary restraint toward this uncivilised barbarity. This does not mean, though, that they are not angry. Listen to this brief extract from a broadcast:

Actually I'd like to see an imam beheaded in a public street, with eye witnesses & somebody chanting Jesus is great, Jesus is great while they did it.

poetcomic1

A woman of that age may have problem internalizing her Government Issue Political Correct Speech Mechanism. I think the the best thing for society is to euthanise her. More money for polygamist Muslims on welfare.

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

And here's a Prophetic Narration:
"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

I'm devastated by the terrorist attacks, to be honest I even doubt their religion. If you read carefully the killers have "recently converted to Islam" and use this to commit such crimes!

I'm very sorry you think that of us, I have been subjected to racial comments the past two days but I haven't complained since we're in a very difficult time and people are bringing out their anger..

And I further apologise for the horrible crimes people commit in the name of religion.

OneCornQueenIQ45

"And I further apologise for the horrible crimes people commit in the name of religion."

The problem for you is most all the horrible hate crimes are committed by Muslims in the name of Islam…
To deny it makes you sound more stupid than you already do….

Christian

The reason for that is that all non-Muslim crimes are not exposed by the media and usually neglected!

objectivefactsmatter

"The reason for that is that all non-Muslim crimes are not exposed by the media and usually neglected!"

Are you insane? Do you have any idea how much the press in the West yearns to find non-Muslim hate crimes or anything resembling it?

Wow. It seems delusion is something people rarely acquire in small measures.

gee59

And if you speak out against violence in your community what happens? We can speak out in public against violence by anybody including our own faith and that is expected. When is that going to happen in the Muslim community?

OneCornQueenIQ45

Muslims can do no wrong….official malfeasance and muslim happiness seems to be a warm gun…

S.Smith

Which religious group apart from Muslims commit crimes in the name of their religion?Jews? Buddhists?
I have never in my life ever heard of i.e.a Christian killing someone and screaming " Jesus is Lord" with the blood dripping from his hands.
Jesus never killed anyone nor told his followers to, unlike Mohammad.

You mean of course, you apologise for all your fellow Muslims who kill in the name of your god hoping to reap the rewards of paradise from allah ?

Jon MC

Firstly Mintis, let me say that I commend your forebearance and understanding about peoples' anger. I am aware that being on the end of abuse for your colour etc. can never be pleasant.
However, I can't agree with your interpretation of K.60:8-9. Having read a number of Tafseers (al-Jalalayn, ibn Abbas, ibn Kathir, Qutb, Maududi and Shafi) about the only consensual meaning is that "if a non-Muslim relative (who is not "hostile" to Islam) visits you bearing gifts, it's okay to receive them and take the gifts". If we take the risk of generalising this verse beyond the meaning ascribed to it by the Tafseerists (oh, and writers of Asbub al-Nazul) then the position of Shafi is most correct: it means that Muslims may be “friendly and courteous” to non-Muslims, but any “intimacy” between the groups is banned.
In other words the verse does not support (or at best very weakly supports) the idea that Muslims can truly become friends with non-Muslims. We can be "Sadeeq" – acquaintances (to use a slightly archaic word), but not "khaleel" – true-friends.
Thus I fear that you are either mis-interpreting this verse or at least being over-reliant on it.
Since I'm not sure to which verses you refer when you say "the verses stated earlier are misinterpreted!" I cannot reply.

Michael Copeland

The prophet of Islam did not, in fact, make many prophecies. Here are three:

“my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire [Hell] except one." (1)

“The strongholds of Islam will be knocked down, one after the other, and then there will come many deceiving guides.” (2)

“Faith [Islam] will crawl back to the Madina like a snake crawls back to its hole.” (3)

A sterling example of 'anarcho-tyranny'. As the late great Lawrence Auster said – "Britain has become the dead isle."

BS77

The fuddy duddy dead end idiots in the English socialist welfare bureaucracies and government mills want the British people to act like the ELOI in HG Wells prophetic TIME MACHINE….be passive, be unemotional….if there is evil or danger…do nothing, say nothing…..If you react or try to protect yourself…w.hy you will be arrested.

BS77

Brits are being arrested for exercising what would be our First Amendment Rights to free speech.

not agaisnt faith

those who are saying Islam is peace must read Quran once and little about Muhammad the prophet of Islam, infact we should have “read Quran day” so that world knows what True Islam means.
well we should not be against muslims because they are victims of this Islam, and all of them are not yet turned into zombies since when u get infected by disease of Islam, you act like a robot where the code in your head is Quran and microcontroller is Muhammad, its like last stage of HIV i.e. AIDS.
Lets eradicate islam, for that u must Know what TRUE Islam is.
Know islam to stop islam. and muslims are you intelligent enough to leave this cult?

disgusted uk man

In sick to death of Muslim extremists thinking they can come into this country accepting our benefits and control evrybody our government is weak and won't take any action to deport people in a Londoner born and bred in the 1950s in sickened to see my beloved london reduced to this terrorism. Chuck these morons out we don't want them enough is enough

Paul

This Political Correctness thing…………I will never understand why or how our European elites got hooked on this crappy, filthy ideology, like a junkie who is hooked on the needle. The problem is not Islam, we can very easily solve that problem after our "Gutmenschen" (as we call them in Germany) are whipped out of every position from which they can exercise power over people. Hatred for these leftie greenie idiots grows, also in this country. It still lurks in the shadows but it is there ….

bydand

Lathan Lee, you just destroyed your argument. Yes England had public beheadings in Medieval times. The country doesn't do that any more, BUT muslims are still stuck in the 6th century Don't try justifying your muslim FILTH by quoting ancient history! The muslim PIGS who murdered the soldier richly deserve a long drop off a short rope. Instead they will be treated in hospital and then be given a cozy cell where they can beat their heads on a rug five times a day for the rest of their lives. Rabid dogs are destroyed and those two are no different

conradca

Mohammed told his followers to spread the faith with the sword of conquest and that is what they did for nearly a thousand years. He also said that the Jews and Christians could submit or be killed. Others could convert or be killed. These commands from their God are fundamental to Islam. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

UraFecalLiberal

Take a chapter from Alinsky and make the police and gummint enforce and adhere to their own principles and laws: Thousands should rally around a known radicalizing mosque that preaches hate, treason, and sedition. Have them shout in unison: "Arrest me, arrest me!!" This the police will not be able to do, because the tyranny and capitulaton of the State depends on making examples of small numbers with the larger numbers made numb and fearful.

WilliamJamesWard

Great point!!!……………..William

Smote

It goes by the name of Ned Kelly 'justice'. At least it does in Australia, where we're under the same PC yoke as you Americans. I sympathise, because I know. I understand. It goes like this: Punish the victim, whilst kissing the arse of the crook.

Sound familiar?

Brujo Blanco

The Brits need not get angry. They need to put a stop to toleration of Muslim violence. They need to stop giving Muslims a pass.

http://twitter.com/F22Ross @F22Ross

I think Britain needs to return to an absolute Monarchy at this point. The Royal family, backed by the military need to seize control now. The troops should return from Afghanistan to effect this. The police are now clearly an enemy force and should be arrested. David cameron and his cronies should be locked in the Tower at the Queen's convenience pending execution for high treason.

If you fail to do this all non-muslim Brits will need to emmigrate to either Australia, New Zealand, Russia, China, Japan, South America or maybe Canada.

WilliamJamesWard

Canada might be best, I note you left out America which would be jumping from the
fire into the fryingpan…………………William

jcila

This is why i will never give up my guns..

Liberals cannot be trusted with
the security
the economy
the immigration policies of any nation..

If we had liberals and democrats running our nation
during wwII they would have donned ss uniforms immidiatly
and began helping hitler by arresting all who spoke against him..

Same thing is happening now
but instead of nazis we have something far worse..
Islam..

JR

Excuse me Sean, where in the US can you be “attacked for being gay or black”? Excuse me, where? I live in the deep south and there’s plenty of gay black people here walking about freely on the streets. So tell me, if that’s not what you meant, since most people equate “Deep south” with “evil racist violent rednecks who lynch blacks and gays”, where this mythical evil America is?
Oh some lady pretended the KKK set her on fire a few months ago, but it turned out she had done it to herself.

Papa Doc Penfro

The sad truth is that you are mistaken. Sean almost certainly is English, white and from a Christian background. Also I would expect him to be a Guardian reader of the kind who enthusiastically recommends comments below the line on articles by Glenn Greenwald. He is fairly young, educated, liberal and suffers from tunnel vision, believing that enthusiastic support for multiculturalism, and Islam in particular, makes him morally and intellectually superior to those of us who are appalled at the fact that the social disaster foreseen by Enoch Powell fifty years ago has actually taken place within our lifetime. Sean is as much a part of the problem as Anjem Choudary.

Sean

Your posts wreaks of intellect and I do understand that UK immigration policy has been (in my opinion intentionally) poor over the past 50/60 years. But people have been invited and in some cases even coerced or duped into coming to the UK "for a better life". It's now unfair to blame those people for the problems it has caused.

The root of that problem is not "Islam" for christs sake, it's the bloody government, and the interests behind government which drive immigration policy directly and indirectly.

All I am saying is that not all Muslims are bad people, and it simply beggars belief that people want to – or even are prepared to – argue with that!!! I thought this was 2013

objectivefactsmatter

"But people have been invited and in some cases even coerced or duped into coming to the UK "for a better life". It's now unfair to blame those people for the problems it has caused. "

Holy cow. You really swallow those victim narratives they feed you from the left. English and British culture is the victim here.

All of this anti-colonial rhetoric is nonsense. Are Americans victims of British colonialism? Can we cry about it whenever we have problems?

Our successes come from our cultural values, which come in part from British values. When things go wrong we look at our own actions first. Those that are not fully indoctrinated like the insane "Occupy (anything)" crowd and their like-minded traitorous peers and enablers.

The UK is an island of peace, tranquility and opportunity for anyone. It SUCKS compared to the USA and a few other past British colonies but compared to the rest of the world those people ought to kiss the hands of the British every day and thank them for the gifts.

You've been raised to hate your own heritage because your government tolerated too many communist traitors and liars among your teachers and politicians.

It's sad really.

"The root of that problem is not "Islam" for christs sake, it's the bloody government, and the interests behind government which drive immigration policy directly and indirectly. "

The root of the problem is the government's denial about Islam. You're in denial too.

"All I am saying is that not all Muslims are bad people…"

That's not all you said. We're talking about the implications of Islamic tolerance and all of the "bad people" that are enabled and encouraged to respect and become inspired by that insanity.

", and it simply beggars belief that people want to – or even are prepared to – argue with that!!!"

You're arguing with yourself because you don't seem to be able to follow the discourse.

"I thought this was 2013"

Yeah well, we're still fighting ignorance.

Sean

When are Muslims going to become a majority in the US or the UK? In what year do you predict this will happen? An estimate for either country will do…

objectivefactsmatter

"When are Muslims going to become a majority in the US or the UK?"

That depends on our actions. When will they cause terror and strife? Already. Obviously.

Torchlight

I ‘ve just discovered this site and have been reading all the contributions. Great for everybody to at least speak their minds.
My take on the conversation so far?
This particular religious side of multiculturalism is definately not working and I cant see any easy solution. I certainly do believe that a great proportion of Muslims are moderate and just as nice as anybody, BUT I don’t see heaps of dangerous, idealogically rabid Christians either. It’s very hard for me to be the least bit optomistic. I feel very sorry for the English public and the police who must deal with this horrible stuff on top of what I thought was their main job i.e. in fighting crime. What England needs is a referendum, since what you seem to have is not much short of a state of emergency, and maybe halting immigration for a while. Don’t you guys have enough people on your island yet?

WilliamJamesWard

"Sean what is wrong with you." …..may I interject "everything"…………..William

DP111

The authorities strategy of appeasing Muslims and coming down hard on any person who criticizes Islam, has been a constant since 9/11 alll over the West. Even when the government changes, this policy has not changed. Never has such unanimity ever existed. Never. Surely one has to ask the questions why?

I believe Islam is being driven between a rock and a hard place.

fsy

I don't get it. What do you mean?

Intereste

If only Britain knew how idiodic they look to the rest of the world. Britain was once a country to be looked up to, now,,, it is nothing. no freedom of speech for the truth,

Jaques

What are you doin pWhat are you doin people ? Burn the police center ! Free the old lady !

Yaghoub Sharifi

Enough talking, do something about it! You guys wake up for a little while after a disaster happens and then you go to sleep again and forget about it. You are not safe in your own country anymore and you are not doing anything serious about it. You need to force your government to stop muslim immigration to the UK and kick out any muslim who promotes violence in any way.