Than why the f*** are you a Jets fan!? f*** off with the negativity! Are you honestly going to call the DROTY crap? Overrated!? OK...you just lost any ounce of credibility you might have had a shot at getting.

If it's not you or one of the others just paying around, then this has got to be somebody I could actually picture seeing on the Worlds Dumbest Criminals for stealing a box of free samples off a truck before they got into the store or some shit like that ecause he obviously doesn't know football.

Curtis Martin old & overpaid? ever hear of a league veteran minimum?

Askew a complete bust? And he's proven this how exactly? How much playing time have you seen him get?

Baker Sucks? You just making that statement indicates your level of football knowledge.

Coles damaged goods? In what sense? Are you saying J-Mac is better? If so, please get the fvck off this board now because to make that statement would make you an embarassment to have here.

David Barrett sucks? Go watch some film kid.

Victor Hobson sucks? See above.

Shaun Ellis a waste of space? Funny how I saw a lot of teams rushing through the middle a lot more than to the outside last year.

Justin Miller can't play CB? I tend to think he held his own & he's our biggest Kick Return threat. (Notice I said kick....not punt)

Vilma.......LB's usually do make tackles 5 yards off the line of scrimmage in case you needed to learn more about football kid. Let's see......Pro Bowl & led the league, but he's overrated. Get a life.

Kimo Von Oelhoffen.....He's got a ring coming to him from what I remember.

Now before you go continuing to make unfounded comments, please ....... step away from the keyboard. Go do your homework & then come talk to the big boys okay?

I will not be forgotten. This is my time to shine. I've got the scars to prove it. Only the strong survive.

If it's not you or one of the others just paying around, then this has got to be somebody I could actually picture seeing on the Worlds Dumbest Criminals for stealing a box of free samples off a truck before they got into the store or some shit like that ecause he obviously doesn't know football.

Curtis Martin old & overpaid? ever hear of a league veteran minimum?

Askew a complete bust? And he's proven this how exactly? How much playing time have you seen him get?

Baker Sucks? You just making that statement indicates your level of football knowledge.

Coles damaged goods? In what sense? Are you saying J-Mac is better? If so, please get the fvck off this board now because to make that statement would make you an embarassment to have here.

David Barrett sucks? Go watch some film kid.

Victor Hobson sucks? See above.

Shaun Ellis a waste of space? Funny how I saw a lot of teams rushing through the middle a lot more than to the outside last year.

Justin Miller can't play CB? I tend to think he held his own & he's our biggest Kick Return threat. (Notice I said kick....not punt)

Vilma.......LB's usually do make tackles 5 yards off the line of scrimmage in case you needed to learn more about football kid. Let's see......Pro Bowl & led the league, but he's overrated. Get a life.

Kimo Von Oelhoffen.....He's got a ring coming to him from what I remember.

Now before you go continuing to make unfounded comments, please ....... step away from the keyboard. Go do your homework & then come talk to the big boys okay?

I agree with you, but on some of these I think you are just being a homer. I think you have to look at this question and not be bias cause you are a Jets fan. Everyone in the NFL is good, so this question is pretty stupid, but to say special players I would say we only have a few.Ellis, Vilma , Coles and Barton

I will be the Devil Advocate here, you are right Askew hasn't had a chance to prove himself, so we can't make the decision if he is good or bad yet until we do see him play. Baker def. has the potential to be a GREAT TE but right now he isn't someone the other team fears yet.Barret is a decent #2 CB, I really wouldn't call that good.Hobson I don't even have an excuse for him, I don't think he is good at allJustin Miller also very young, I think he could be great in the future but right now he wouldn't even be a starting CB for most teams.

first off i want to say one thing, DT are not the ones who r usually like leading there team in tackles for a game, their the ones who just pretty much slow down and clog up holes against the running back and are not playmakers. that being said, from what i have seen on madden(yes i know its different from real life), d'brick can make c-mart maybe another league rusher, all games i have played he has had like 100 yards, mainly because i run to the left about 98% of the time. that being said r good players r:

Jonathan VilmaShaun EllisCurtis MartinLavernues Coles

The next are potential ones i believe, if we draft them that is:

D'Brickashaw Fergusonthe rest that i have put in Madden(mathias kiwanuka) have not made an impact really.

"They think we spellin iverson when the beef all done cuz you be on I-Vs in the E-R son"- 40 Cal" Winning isn't everything; its the only thing"

u r callin otha people retarted???? do u even know what a football is???? u said every guy that eva done sumthin sux...thurs no explanation except u dont have a brain cell.

anyway correction on otha peopleChad Pennington: NOT EVEN DECENT...KNOW ARM AND NOW NO ACCURACY=BUSTbj askew: wtf??? how u put him as good??? what the hell has he doneJUSTIN MCCAIRNES: CANT CATCH, KINDA IMPORTANT, CANT GO OVA MIDDLE, DECENT BLOCKER, AND CANT GO DEEP, OH AND NEVA USES HIS SIZE.COLES: NEVA SHOULDA BEEN TRADED FOR SANTANNA MOSS 10 TIMES BETTA I ALMOST CRIED WHEN THEY DID THAT TRADE SO TERRIBLE, ANYWAY BACK TO HIM HES OVERRATED, YES HE CAN GO OVA MIDDLE YES HES FAST AND CAN GO DEEP, BUT LIKE HIS BUDDY JUSTIN....HE CANT CATCH THE BALL!!!! HE DROPPED SO MANY EASY TDS LAST YR IT WAS DISGUISTING!!great[u]Curtis Martin: hey he was injured since week 3 last yr with a bad line, hes one of the greatest off all time and is an extremely hard worker he will be back.

Shaun Ellis: is a very good DE he gets sacks and stuffs run and big guy what more u want?

Jonathon Vilma: who the hell put him as a rising star?? hes been a ALL STAR since rookie yr(hence rookie of they yea award) he had 167 tackles last year and eventually got in the pro bowl. I dont care what d lineup u put him in-3-4 4-3 nickle dime doesnt matta he will be great.. hes strong, hard worker, and very fast. no fat ass gaurds can even catch him to block him and if they do he can shed it. ALSO...all linebackers have some trouble with 3-4 cus of that reason..if u really had football knowledge ud know u cant run outside on a 3-4, the best way to beat it is go right at it. tough for 3-4 to defend inside gaps its just a fact of football for any team run up middle youll be succesful.

Eric Barton: he was injured last year so people forget how good he is hes got prety good speed and is fast and makes tackles

David Barret: Bill Cower said best d back he saw all year 2 seasons ago in playoffs, makes plays, and didnt start getting burned till her got an eye injury....incase some of u people that says he sucks doesnt know...eyes and being able to see is kinda important in football.

In 6 years with starting what would be considered only 4 full seasons. Yep. They look like the stats of the worst player in the league to me.......if I'm hanging out with Ricky Williams getting high!!!!!

Something tells me this guy has to be Ron playing around again, because if not, he's gotta go.

I will not be forgotten. This is my time to shine. I've got the scars to prove it. Only the strong survive.

Solid:Curtis Martin.Shaun Ellis.Victor Hobson.-comon man cant be serious no way hes solid hes been a weak spot in d all yearDavid Barrett.Dewayne Robertson.-hasnt really proven himself yet but is pretty goodChris Baker.Laveranues Coles.- when he learns how to catch the ball we can talk bout him being goodWayne Chrebet (while we have him as FlyHiJets said).-retired comon u guys wanna kill him hes doneJustin McCareins.-WTF???? leave now!!! justin mccariens is about as solid as mike nugent playing o line. AGAIN ...CANT CATCH, BARELY BLOCK, DOESNT USE SIZE, CANT GO OVA MIDLE CANT GO DEEP...WHAT CAN HE DO BESIDES SIT ON THE BENCH???Erik Coleman.Mike Nugent.-eh kindaJustin Miller (all around)- um not bad but still needs workKerry Rhodes.-needs workBrandon Moore. last yr dissapointing but if he can return to 2 seaosn ago yeaAdrian Jones.-comon yr dreamin with half these guys not good AT ALLPete Kendall.- was actually pretty bad last year held and got beatEric Barton.- yes def good

Adequate:Chad Pennington.adequate to do what??? be a wateboy???BJ Askew.-so adequete he suzKimo Van Ohloffen (can't spell that). hes actually should be in solid or goodCedrick Houston.-should be solid ran for like 75 yards a gameDerrick Blaylock.- has to prove mhiselfJerricho Cotchery.should be risin starDerrick Strait.okDoug Jolley.-HELL NO NOT ON ANY LIST HE SUX TOO MUCH TO TALK BOUT HES LIK MCCAIRINESJames Reed.Brooks Bollinger.noPatrick Ramsey.hell no