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A lot of people are pointing to other consoles' first years as evidence that the PS3 will prevail. The key difference such people miss is that the people making those consoles were not flinging poo at their customers, hurting their reputation with every utterance, and blabbering on incoherently like a rabid chimpanzee like Sony is doing. This is an important distinction.

Just a comment here, I would consider all the broken 360's and their tech support poo flinging.

I haven't had the time, but I'm going to play Lair soon just so I can argue over it. Too me in general it seems that the motion controls are still too new to people.

A lot of people are pointing to other consoles' first years as evidence that the PS3 will prevail. The key difference such people miss is that the people making those consoles were not flinging poo at their customers, hurting their reputation with every utterance, and blabbering on incoherently like a rabid chimpanzee like Sony is doing. This is an important distinction.

Just a comment here, I would consider all the broken 360's and their tech support poo flinging.

I haven't had the time, but I'm going to play Lair soon just so I can argue over it. Too me in general it seems that the motion controls are still too new to people.

Yes, because Microsoft's response to the RROD issue is obviously not good enough. Taking a massive hit and extending the warantee by 3 years should obviously be considered a "poo fling".

As for motion controls still being too new to people, wouldn't the outright success of the Wii negate that stance? I mean, it's not like the Wii is getting horrible word of mouth or reviews (in general).

I've read through most of this thread and I haven't seen this mentioned. Why didn't Sony just pull a Nintendo and re-release their old first party PS2 games on bluray with minimal improvements? That way they could make money selling 'PS3 games' and could use those games to easily pad their release schedule to make up for everything good coming out in 2008. They wouldn't have to worry too much about BC then, because 3rd parties would probably follow suite and you'd get the DMC, RE, MGS collections etc.
There's no disadvantage to this that I can think and would give them easy money. Being perceived as a machine with a bunch of PS2 ports is much better position to be in than machine that has '4 good games' on it.

When has Nintendo gone and remade games from the past generation? They always go for AT LEAST two generations ago, unless it is a free give-away (OoT) which doesn't quite count as the same thing.

It's the third parties who are doing all of the Wiimakes, trying to jump on the money-printing bandwagon. Not Nintendo.

I was thinking of the classics series for the gba actually, but yea they're from the NES era because ninty's been around that long. Oldest thing Sony could do is PS1, but no really good first party games come to mind that would really benefit them. I can immediately think of a ton on the PS2 (Ratchet and clanks, ICO, SOTC, GOW1,2). I'm not even saying that's something ninty does, but the Wii definately had the initial 'oh it's just a gc with motion control, look at all the ports' vibe. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing, I like seeing old games with fresh coats of paint and added features. And it would've definitely helped Sony to quickly fill the game gap.

The thing is, though, that anyone who wanted to could have gone out and bought RE4 GCN, and played it on their Wii. RE4 Wii sold great ANYWAY, though.

Sony cutting out backwards compatability, and THEN reselling games would be a pretty shitty move.

ESPECIALLY after all of their rhetoric at launch (claiming that they were the only backwards compatible console, going so far as to outright lie in their marketing to the public that the Wii would make you pay to play Gamecube games.)