All the money that is going to be spent/wasted on this is unbelievable. Since Connecticut won’t euthanize this bum, they should at least make him sell all his assests, and support his own way through life in prison.

@509Seahawks that’s a weak name. Try this one. HernandezPISTOLoffence hahaha now that’s the best ff name Lmao…its a shame ppl ruin good lives like this. Wether it be his own or Odin Lloyds family. Rip to those affected by this idiot waste of oxygen.

Wow……. I really can’t say anything more than that! I like the first 4(not in that order) but you obviously don’t watch football and it is evident by your number 5 TE.
Santana moss as number 5 huh? Dude he is a washed up Wr!! You really made me chuckle! I seriously hope this was a gaffe and you really don’t think moss is a TE!

To all the message board lawyers pontificating that people expressing opinions as to Hernandez’s guilt or innocence need to presume he’s innocent or something until the trial is over:

No we don’t.

We’re not on the jury. And unlikely to be called to serve on it.

We’re not in a courtroom. We’re not trying the case.

You’re not his lawyer and you really need to stop counseling other people to ‘watch what they say’.

There’s more than enough facts presented in the media thus far to form an opinion as to whether or not Hernandez was involved in murder/s.
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Didn’t realize one had to be a message board lawyer to understand innocent until proven guilty.
I mean didn’t we just go thru this with George Zimmerman? Or is that different because……………

Wow……. I really can’t say anything more than that! I like the first 4(not in that order) but you obviously don’t watch football and it is evident by your number 5 TE.
Santana moss as number 5 huh? Dude he is a washed up Wr!! You really made me chuckle! I seriously hope this was a gaffe and you really don’t think moss is a TE!

WOW!!!!!!

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I’m going to second this comment. As well, sorry but Tony Gonzales belongs on this list. Hes HOF and still top 5. Santana Moss is lucky to be playing still, let alone a Top 5 in a position he doesn’t even play. He wouldn’t be top 50 in the position he does play!

@HowdyDoobie says:
Aug 22, 2013 2:01 PM
Charging him with first degree murder may get him the Zimmerman verdict. Ortiz said that Lloyd and Hernandez had shook hands prior to the murder and looked to have smoothed things over.

It will be hard to establish the murder was preconceived.

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That doesnt seem like a stretch. What better way to get him to let his guard down? He obvously knew there was a reason to be fearful of getting killed, why else would he send his sister the text messages? (not to mention he ultimately ended up getting killed) So AH has a discussion with him, then eventually they come to a mutual agreement that what happened was in the past, and they were going to be good friends moving forward. He pulls down into the industrial park, probably tells him something like he has to take a leak and it will give them a chance to smoke one. They get out, handle their business, and pop, done.

Are we in a court of law? No? I can find Hernandez guilty all I want to. Am I on the jury? Am I rendering a verdict that’s going to free or imprison him?

No?

Then pardon me & others here if we talk about whether we think he’s guilty or not.

You assume innocence IF you are in the court system trying this particular person.

The rest of us don’t have to ASSUME innocence. We can read the papers and follow the newcasts and form our own opinions without self righteous message board lawyers constantly going “Now you’re all assuming he’s INNOCENT, right? RIGHT?!?”

Imagine if you were a detective trying to solve the July murders of last year. Working 60 hours a week, following up on leads, and it’s all for nothing. Finally, on Sundays…

“Gosh hon, we just can’t get this case solved. It’s eating me up inside. I’ve been looking for this murderer EVERYWHERE. I can’t wait to sit down with my beer and watch the Pats. Man, our TE combo is sick!”

I’m curious, will the prosecution be giving the jury other options like 2nd degree murder or manslaughter? The I reason I ask this is because from what I have heard, trying to convict someone of 1st degree murder is rather difficult to, as the prosecution really has to have their Is dotted an Ts crossed. Besides a jury is more reluctant to convict someone in the 1st degree anyway. Like it or not, he may walk, unfortunately.

Video surveillance footage showed Hernandez’s car entering the industrial park during the early morning hours of June 17, with Hernandez, Lloyd, Ortiz, and Wallace all visible, according to prosecutors.

When the car left the industrial park moments later, Lloyd was no longer in the vehicle, his body dumped on the industrial park’s gravel road, prosecutors said.

Good!….I better NEVER see another Pats fan snub their nose and accuse other teams of being “classless” due to an individuals actions.
Your “classy” team seems to have employed a murderer of at least one person probably involved with more! does not get any worse than that now does it?

I think people need to understand a grand jury is essentially a rubber stamp to charge someone with a crime. Prosecution calls witnesses, prosecutor gets to question without objection or cross examination, grand jury hears testimony slanted towards prosecution.

Defense calls 0 witnesses. Defense asks 0 questions.

It would be a bigger story if the grand jury didn’t find probable cause. Innocent to proven guilty does matter, regardless of whether we are “on the jury”. There is a reason cases aren’t tried in the media and the fact that they had to run to a grand jury, instead of the hearing, might be indicative of a weaker than expected case.

touchdownroddywhite | Aug 22, 2013, 1:34 PM EDT
An indictment is a long way from a verdict of guilty. Him getting convicted of murder is about as likely right now as the notion that Foles had a chance at the starting gig in Philly.
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You have to be kidding. Dude is guilty as sin, and everyone knows it. Evidence is everywhere. He’s probably going down for THREE murders just like Vick is going down by week 6. And I’m an Eagles fan, so beat that with a stick.

I’m curious, will the prosecution be giving the jury other options like 2nd degree murder or manslaughter? The I reason I ask this is because from what I have heard, trying to convict someone of 1st degree murder is rather difficult to, as the prosecution really has to have their Is dotted an Ts crossed. Besides a jury is more reluctant to convict someone in the 1st degree anyway. Like it or not, he may walk, unfortunately.

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AH called Odin, picked him up, got the other two miscreants to come along for the ride. What is it about premeditated murder (1st degree) that is confusing you here?? Even Odin knew it was over.

Juries won’t convict if intent is in doubt or perhaps you think he walked into the woods with Odin to play Parcheesi. AH won’t walk and the weapon is a non-issue based on the preponderance of evidence which AH handed to the prosecution in a neat box with a red bow. A grand jury is a good as done. I’m not a lawyer but look it up.

K… Moss isn’t a top 30 WR(which is what his 5’9″ @$$ is)…..Gonzalez is how you spell the GOAT’s name!! This year TE’s. 1-Graham. 2-Gronk( if healthy). 3-Gonzalez.(even in last year of Career). 4-Witten. 5-