OCD spiked again while eating chicken, so I figured out why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) lets us eat flesh(meat).

Here is why, 1, Since Physical Death exists, mobile food is necessary, food that doesn't require being taken cared for or being harmed by nature.

2, since that's the case God will have to create food that can care for itself, is mobile, doesn't need attentive caring for, etc

3, this particular food must feel pain, why? to prevent itself from harm, if the food feels no pain, then it wouldn't know when it's harmed, leading always to death aka destruction of the food refuting it's purpose.

4, therefore, that is the reason why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) created animals for food.

we could argue and further substantiate my argument with these facts,

1, Food was originally only vegetation, (Genesis 1:29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.) then after the flood (Genesis 9:2–32 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.)

the argument I created(unless somebody else did, and I'd give the credit to them if they had it first) fits well and explains why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows the death of animals for food.

Now on the care of animals,

1, It's no big deal, pain is only temporary and it's necessary to humanity to survive because of Physical death. remember, Job 12:10 “In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.”

Once again - who are you arguing with? The Eastern Orthodox have no problem with eating animal flesh (except during fasting periods) as far as I know.

And by the way, what kind of chicken were you eating?

I'm arguing against "atheist" vegetarians who try to use animals as food against God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit), that argument is no longer valid as I have refuted it, feel free to use this argument when someone complains that we shouldn't eat animals and that this would be immoral, it isn't, and if it was it's human fault.

Why God allowed humans to eat animals is described in Genesis 9:1-3. Exactly why God changed His mind and now allowed humans to eat animals, is not explicitly explained, though it might have something to do with the fact that humans saved the animals during the Flood, and thus can now eat them.

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

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Once again - who are you arguing with? The Eastern Orthodox have no problem with eating animal flesh (except during fasting periods) as far as I know.

And by the way, what kind of chicken were you eating?

I'm arguing against "atheist" vegetarians who try to use animals as food against God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit), that argument is no longer valid as I have refuted it, feel free to use this argument when someone complains that we shouldn't eat animals and that this would be immoral, it isn't, and if it was it's human fault.

There are no atheist vegetarians here that I know of.

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"Sometimes, you just gotta say, 'OK, I still have nine live, two-headed animals' and move on.'' (owner of Coney Island freak show, upon learning he'd been outbid on a 5-legged puppy)

I thought this website was like the ChristianForums, where "atheist" debate as well.

however this is of good use, why? because The Eastern Orthodox Church could use these valid arguments in debates against "atheism".

I am very happy to be able to say that the Eastern Orthodox way of practicing Christianity has helped me (and many others) overcome my atheism without the need to resort to "debating tactics".

What debating tactics? I used Arguments, no need for debates, for example The Fine Tuning Argument, now is that primarily for debate or to prove Theism true? The arguments I pose are to further ones Faith and refute the opposition to it, I don't understand why you oppose something for The Faith and advocate something against it.

I thought this website was like the ChristianForums, where "atheist" debate as well.

however this is of good use, why? because The Eastern Orthodox Church could use these valid arguments in debates against "atheism".

I am very happy to be able to say that the Eastern Orthodox way of practicing Christianity has helped me (and many others) overcome my atheism without the need to resort to "debating tactics".

What debating tactics? I used Arguments, no need for debates, for example The Fine Tuning Argument, now is that primarily for debate or to prov Theism true? The arguments I pose are to further ones Faith and refute the opposition to it, I don't understand why you oppose something for The Faith and advocate something against it.

It's primarily your attitude. You don't seem to have the slightest interest in learning what Eastern Orthodoxy is all about - instead you come in and start swinging, just assuming everyone here is an "atheist" who needs to be taught The Right Way!!!

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"Sometimes, you just gotta say, 'OK, I still have nine live, two-headed animals' and move on.'' (owner of Coney Island freak show, upon learning he'd been outbid on a 5-legged puppy)

Maybe he just really has bad OCD like he said for real and he's compelled to do it and we sould give him some slack it's hard I know, my sons OCD sometimes compelled him to touch the same spot on the table like 50 times and it drives me nuts but he can barely help himself.

Maybe he just really has bad OCD like he said for real and he's compelled to do it and we sould give him some slack it's hard I know, my sons OCD sometimes compelled him to touch the same spot on the table like 50 times and it drives me nuts but he can barely help himself.

If that's it, I'm sorry.

Here's an idea, SBC. Why not tell us a little bit about yourself? What do you like to do? What church do you go to?

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He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end.

IDK, tl/dr. The bigger problem is that you waste your time of writting some paratheological pseudoapologetics no one is interested in, no one cares and no one treats seriously. You try to thrust it into our throats and you do not see it's a wrong attitude and you cannot convince anyone. Don't you have any chores, homework to do?

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I'm helping you, when an "atheist" complains about cruelty and etc, you use this to refute their lies.

Not saying anything about the "quality" of your "arguments" I do not engage in discussions with militant atheists about religious issues because it's pointless.

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I ask, are you an "atheist"? and why are you opposed to me helping Christianity and refuting arguments against it?

You can see my religious beliefs in my profile info. And you are not "helping Christianity", quite the contrary.

Find yourself a hobby, really. It's not healthy for 18-year-old to write such things*.

*writing as a guy who registerred here when he was 17

You mean another hobby. Offering his services to utterly refute the specious arguments of atheists (who never seem to accept refutation) appears to be his hobby. Unless, of course, he gets paid for it. In which case, where do I sent my resume?

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I am subtracting points from this thread because the subtitle was not: "The Electric Boogaloo" nor a reference thereof ("The Carnivorous Boogaloo" would have been acceptable). The fact that the OP is only 18 is not an excuse, just a sad fact as to the further deterioration of the American educational system and its neglect for the classics.

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"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are." TH White

I am subtracting points from this thread because the subtitle was not: "The Electric Boogaloo" nor a reference thereof ("The Carnivorous Boogaloo" would have been acceptable). The fact that the OP is only 18 is not an excuse, just a sad fact as to the further deterioration of the American educational system and its neglect for the classics.

Amen.

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He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end.

OCD spiked again while eating chicken, so I figured out why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) lets us eat flesh(meat).

Here is why, 1, Since Physical Death exists, mobile food is necessary, food that doesn't require being taken cared for or being harmed by nature.

2, since that's the case God will have to create food that can care for itself, is mobile, doesn't need attentive caring for, etc

3, this particular food must feel pain, why? to prevent itself from harm, if the food feels no pain, then it wouldn't know when it's harmed, leading always to death aka destruction of the food refuting it's purpose.

4, therefore, that is the reason why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) created animals for food.

we could argue and further substantiate my argument with these facts,

1, Food was originally only vegetation, (Genesis 1:29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.) then after the flood (Genesis 9:2–32 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.)

the argument I created(unless somebody else did, and I'd give the credit to them if they had it first) fits well and explains why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows the death of animals for food.

Now on the care of animals,

1, It's no big deal, pain is only temporary and it's necessary to humanity to survive because of Physical death. remember, Job 12:10 “In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.”

OCD spiked again while eating chicken, so I figured out why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) lets us eat flesh(meat).

Here is why, 1, Since Physical Death exists, mobile food is necessary, food that doesn't require being taken cared for or being harmed by nature.

2, since that's the case God will have to create food that can care for itself, is mobile, doesn't need attentive caring for, etc

3, this particular food must feel pain, why? to prevent itself from harm, if the food feels no pain, then it wouldn't know when it's harmed, leading always to death aka destruction of the food refuting it's purpose.

4, therefore, that is the reason why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) created animals for food.

we could argue and further substantiate my argument with these facts,

1, Food was originally only vegetation, (Genesis 1:29Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.) then after the flood (Genesis 9:2–32 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.)

the argument I created(unless somebody else did, and I'd give the credit to them if they had it first) fits well and explains why God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) allows the death of animals for food.

Now on the care of animals,

1, It's no big deal, pain is only temporary and it's necessary to humanity to survive because of Physical death. remember, Job 12:10 “In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.”