What it means is Joe Dumars blinked ... he didn't have the guts to pay for what he really wanted and settled for what he needed sans the greatness to get them back to their glory days. Too bad for both Piston and Celtic fans .... No trophies for the Motor City anytime soon.

But they became a good team with potential, didn't they? Many people believe that Drummond will be a dominant defensive player in the future, Monroe is already good on offense, Smith is good, Jennings is a gunner but he's young and has a room to improve. Don't know much about the rest of their roster but i think the core is good.

What it means is Joe Dumars blinked ... he didn't have the guts to pay for what he really wanted and settled for what he needed sans the greatness to get them back to their glory days. Too bad for both Piston and Celtic fans .... No trophies for the Motor City anytime soon.

But they became a good team with potential, didn't they? Many people believe that Drummond will be a dominant defensive player in the future, Monroe is already good on offense, Smith is good, Jennings is a gunner but he's young and has a room to improve. Don't know much about the rest of their roster but i think the core is good.

You just pointed out the problem ... the refusal to give up Drummond (potential/future dominating center) for an experienced, championship proven PG and opting to go with an unproven PG will handicap the Pistons and ultimately cost them a championship or more.

In order to keep Drummond, they will move Monroe to PF and Smith to SF putting those two out of their natural positions to accommodate two unproven players in Jennings & Drummond. They would have had much better chemistry by keeping Monroe at center and Smith at PF with a proven championship PG leading the way. All they needed was a veteran SF that fit well with RR & JSmoove and they'd be potential division winners. We could have traded Wallace with RR and taken back Villanueva etal along with Knight & Drummond and both teams would have been winners.

Dumars succeeded in keeping Drummond and getting a PG with experience but did he really make the Pistons contenders ... I don't think so. If anything he's impeded their growth and cost them time and maybe a Championship in order to hold onto a future core piece that may not be ready for playoff basketball yet. Another degenerate gambler ....

I think Dummars just wanted to secure himself and have more time before he would get fired to build a contender. If he had traded for Rondo and Wallace (and lost Drummond in the process) he would have shortened the window for the team (RR's 26 and GW's ~30). But he stayed put and secured himself against any questions like "When Detroit will win it all?" from their fans. He would just say:"Give them more time, they are still young..."

What it means is Joe Dumars blinked ... he didn't have the guts to pay for what he really wanted and settled for what he needed sans the greatness to get them back to their glory days. Too bad for both Piston and Celtic fans .... No trophies for the Motor City anytime soon.

But they became a good team with potential, didn't they? Many people believe that Drummond will be a dominant defensive player in the future, Monroe is already good on offense, Smith is good, Jennings is a gunner but he's young and has a room to improve. Don't know much about the rest of their roster but i think the core is good.

I agree, that is a good young core. Jennings will be better with some leadership from Billups. He has all the tools.

They also have MKG who should be a solid borderline starter or 6th man for many years, and another beast in the making with Tony Mitchell.

If they can turn Monroe into a decent SF or SG in a trade they will be a well balanced and dangerous team.

Bradley and Crash would make them a scary defensive team, and neither of those guys would take shots away from their two new black holes. Calling Joe Dumars.

But, but, but....I thought Rondo playing with Smith was a sure bet. Because of high school? The stinging slap of reality is that NBA players are way past high school, and that theory of RR and JS in Detroit, or even funnier - here, wasn't going to happen because even if they are the best of friends, this is the NBA, not a summer camp pick-up game. The NBA is first and foremost a business organization, a business to make money (before winning championships), not a player's fantasy fulfillment league unless all parties are free agents and a team has the cap room.

Looks like the earliest a Rondo trade can happen is at the trade deadline, February of 2014.

All this proved is that even Joe Dumars knows that having two head cases on the same team is just a stupid idea. Joe played on Isaiah Thomas led teams and ain't tryin to have two of those guys on his team. Also, the fact that the Cs played better the moment RR went down last season is gonna have every GM gun shy about having him on their team. In the back of their minds, even if they think he is a top 10 PG is, "If he doesn't work out, everyone is gonna say, What was I thinking???? How much more proof that he is overrated did I need than what happened with the Celtics last season. It was so clear how they improved the moment he got hurt." That is how any consciencious GM has got to think when it comes to a decision that could possibly cost him his job. Its basic human psychology, and essential critical thinking needed for doing good business. Don't forget, the NBA is a business, not just a fan club.