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trifecta

I had the pleasure of trying this at a friends place about a month ago. No notes taken, but this was one of the favorites across 6 or so wines. Good structure, clean hi toned fruit, nice balance. Definitely a "higher end" zin.

bunnyb0y

trifecta wrote:I had the pleasure of trying this at a friends place about a month ago. No notes taken, but this was one of the favorites across 6 or so wines. Good structure, clean hi toned fruit, nice balance. Definitely a "higher end" zin.

ggauthiersquared9

trifecta wrote:I had the pleasure of trying this at a friends place about a month ago. No notes taken, but this was one of the favorites across 6 or so wines. Good structure, clean hi toned fruit, nice balance. Definitely a "higher end" zin.

kaolis

I bought this on the WTSO deal...would like to grab some more...but even if this is a deal, hard to pull the trigger at 10 bucks more a bottle. And I like Gauthier wines, he is doing some nice stuff. I guess I could cost average...hmmmmm.....

Ignoring tax and shipping:
$79.99 is ~33% off of $120, which is what it would cost at "$40 a bottle" as you mentioned here.

In another post, you said suggested retail is $42 per bottle, which would mean the discount here is ~36% off.

Factoring in tax and shipping, this is ~$92 shipped to me in NY state, vs. the quoted non-discount price of $141 shipped listed in the offer, for a discount of ~35%.

Now set all discussions of what percent discount is being offered aside.

The fact of the matter is that most of us are here on wine.woot because we're bargain hunters. What's hurting you today is not the question of percent off suggested retail. Instead it's that we don't think this is a bargain when compared to a recent offer of the exact same wine on another site. Ignoring tax and shipping charges completely, this is still $10 more per bottle. Add in the tax and shipping costs, and we're looking at a difference of more than $13 per bottle.

Everybody has to make their own decision about whether this offer is worth it or not. Beyond what's been mentioned already, some of us are on SIWBMs, so it isn't just a question of fair price or not. It's also a question of: Is this such a great bargain that I'm going to violate my WBM to get some?

I wish you luck with the sale. I'm pretty sure with a positive review in Wine Enthusiast, you won't have too much trouble selling this later. But it's going to be a pretty hard sell here today.

randysanders

I love a good zin, and I bet this one is delicious.
However, I compare prices to my favorite, Earthquake, which I get at about $21/bottle.
If a zin costs more than that, It had better have a pretty good rep...Turley or Carlisle or a Robert Biale...
Or, it had better get rave reviews from my fellow wooters!
This one, unfortunately, has shown me none of the above.

harmonious3

ggauthiersquared9 wrote:The pricing is the current best deal. Limited production wines are hard enough to get.If you interested in a great value this is it. the wine is worth $40 a bottle.

Is there anyone who thinks 50% off is a bad deal for a great wine?

50% off would be $63 plus tax and shipping not $80 plus tax and shipping. A more important percentage to this bargain hunting crowd is the fact that it's nearly 60% more than the WTSO price then add tax and shipping to that and it ends up being around 80% more than the WTSO deal. This offer was not properly vetted.

losthighwayz

There are three things going on:
1. Expensive offer compared to current offe on another site
2. Winery participation
3. The wine itself

1. I am sure WD will jump on tis and try to make it work. If he is not able then I suspect most will pass on this. However, this issue has nothing to do with the winery/winemaker which brings me to
2. Winery gracious enough to come on the boards to discuss their wine. Wineries should not be run off for something out of their control. Doing so will kill this model.
3. I have a bottle of this offer and will share some notes later on

kaolis

randysanders wrote:I love a good zin, and I bet this one is delicious.
However, I compare prices to my favorite, Earthquake, which I get at about $21/bottle.
If a zin costs more than that, It had better have a pretty good rep...Turley or Carlisle or a Robert Biale...
Or, it had better get rave reviews from my fellow wooters!
This one, unfortunately, has shown me none of the above.

My guess this is not done in the style of Earthquake if that is what you are looking for. But I get what you mean as far as a price comparison/value to you.

harmonious3

losthighwayz wrote:There are three things going on:
1. Expensive offer compared to current offe on another site
2. Winery participation
3. The wine itself

1. I am sure WD will jump on tis and try to make it work. If he is not able then I suspect most will pass on this. However, this issue has nothing to do with the winery/winemaker which brings me to
2. Winery gracious enough to come on the boards to discuss their wine. Wineries should not be run off for something out of their control. Doing so will kill this model.
3. I have a bottle of this offer and will share some notes later on

How is price out of the winery's control? Seems a little bit late in the game for anyone to fix this one and a tasting review with a few hours left isn't going to help.

moondigger

losthighwayz wrote:2. Winery gracious enough to come on the boards to discuss their wine. Wineries should not be run off for something out of their control. Doing so will kill this model.

I don't think anybody's trying to run them off. If it hasn't already been pointed out, wooters do respond in a positive way to winery participation. In fact, I've seen people pay more for a wine here than at other site(s) where no forum exists for winery/customer interaction. That's certainly part of the equation.

But it seems obvious that the added intangible value we get from winery participation is not enough to get people to click the big yellow button at this offer's current price.

kaolis

losthighwayz

harmonious3 wrote:How is price out of the winery's control? Seems a little bit late in the game for anyone to fix this one and a tasting review with a few hours left isn't going to help.

WW negotiated today's offer with winery irrespective of the 'tso offer. WW felt offer today is priced right and If I were the winery would negotiate to get the most $ for my product. Technically the winery controlled the price it negotiated with WW but not he offer WW came up with.

It's never too late to adjust price since its been done. However, not likely WW will be able to match the offer unless they are willing to lose $

I will post notes not to influence anyone to buy but simply to share my observations on a wine that is being offered. I ve enjoy reading other's notes in the past without pulling the trigger. A major reason I embrace this concept.

klezman

+1
Also, it's good to remember that WTSO may not ask a winery before blowing out some of their wine at a super-cheap price. They're a retail outlet and can do what they please once they buy the wine from the winery. Wine.woot is not that model, and never owns the wine.

chipgreen

So, now might be a better time than the recent woot-off (when stats weren't updating in a timely manner) to re-state my woot map theory. I say that the darker states have not necessarily wooted more, they have just wooted more recently.

Two total purchases, Qty. 1 each, with the CA purchase happening first so why is CO so much darker?

moondigger

I think you're right -- because when Colorado was the only one lit, the color was pink -- as California appears now. But now that California is lit as well, Colorado has taken on the darker/red hue -- without any apparent additional sales having taken place there.

chipgreen

bskuared wrote:I think y'all are being rude and unfriendly. The offer is in, if you are interested, pull the trigger. Otherwise, suck it up and act like an adult.

I think it's fair to analyze the deals that are offered. That's how most people decide if it's worth buying. Some deals are better than others.

Is it ok to heap praise on the great deals but everyone is supposed to sit silently on their hands if a deal isn't good? WD has stated more than once that they appreciate (and learn from) all the comments both positive and negative. Many companies have to lure their customers with coupons and sweepstakes to get feedback like this.

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