59. Except these edits happen exactly where a TV program would want them. Besides, what do you think is being hidden by the police before the cop walks to the the car and before he calmly helps the man out of the car?

58. Yes John, this topic should have been exhausted scores of posts ago.

“You’ll find if you were intellectually honest that blacks are routinely stopped for driving while black… or working while black, or walking while black, or just being black. In the 21st Century, the persecution of the poor at the hands of the rich is far more impactful on society than the persecuation of the black by the white, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t still happen, or that it doesn’t happen every day.”

So it is automatically to be assumed this is what happened in this video, inspite of not much information being available to us. Interesting trains of thought you people have, indeed.

#62 – “So it is automatically to be assumed this is what happened in this video, inspite of not much information being available to us. Interesting trains of thought you people have, indeed.

No. No. No.

That’s why I very clearly said that this video has no value. It doesn’t tell us anything at all. We can draw no conclusions about this video.

But if I implied that is what is happening quite often in many different situations… well, okay… I’ll stand by that. Racism is still a huge issue whether or not it actually has bearing on what we saw in this video…

#61 Yes John, this topic should have been exhausted scores of posts ago.

RBG

Well I came late to the party… Sorry… It seems I’m on a slightly different scedule than everyone else… I either post first or last… Often missing the chance to be in the middle of it.

“It is lawful for a person who is being assaulted to defend himself/herself from attack, if, as a reasonable person s/he has grounds for believing and does believe that bodily injury is about to be inflicted upon him/her. In doing so, that person must use all force and means which s/he believes to be reasonably necessary and which would appear to a reasonable person, in the same or similar circumstances, to be necessary to prevent the injury which appears to be imminent.”

First the officer used pepper spray, a non-lethal force, in order to get Wilson to comply with this order to stop (which can be heard on the video). In a more detailed account, we find out that Wilson yelled at Mitchell to hit him. Next, during the attack, Wilson went for Mtichell’s gun. That along with being wailed upon would justify Mitchell’s use of his firearm.

Then of course there is:
CA Penal Code Section 148(a)(1)
“Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer,…”

CA Penal Code Section 148.10
“Every person who willfully resists a peace officer in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment and whose willful resistance proximately causes death or serious bodily injury to a peace officer

Demostrators are narrowly excluded when it comes to these resist statutes so your analogy does not apply.

The video opens with suspect vehicle pulling aside on a side street, while police vehicle has sirens going.

A) Suspect could have been responding positively by pulling into a safe spot.
B) Suspect could have been trying to get away.
C) Suspect could have been completely ignoring the police vehicle. Allegedly, the suspect was speeding, ran a red light, and did not respond to the police vehicle for an indeterminate amount of time (per written report referenced in posts above).
D) Visible speed indicates a low-speed chase, but this is not conclusive.

Officer approaches the suspect vehicle.

The video has a visible edit at this point and we cannot tell what was said or how long it continued. Allegedly, the suspect initially ignored the officer (per written report referenced in posts above). Per the video edit, the suspect is a former heavyweight boxer, which means he is carrying deadly weapons thought the officer is not aware of it (his hands).

By this point, more video editing was apparent through the use of “dramatic music,” making hearing more difficult.

Officer escorts suspect to hood of suspect vehicle and suspect assumes position to be searhed.

Officer commences search.

Unable to clearly see nature of search.

Suspect visibly attempts to rise while being searched.

Officer observes protocol and attempts to push suspect back into position.

Suspect resists and rises up completely in an obvious fighting stance.

Officer retreats to safe distance.

Suspect approaches officer.

Officer says something (I can’t make it out).

At this point, the suspect could have prevented a violent confrontation by settling down and reassuming the search position.

Suspect continues to advance.

Officer deploys pepper spray against suspect.

Suspect attacks officer and unarmed combat begins.

Officer determines he is facing an opponent that is likely to cause him serious bodily harm or death and uses deadly force (per narration).

Misses first shot (per narration).

Hits abdomen at point blank (per narration).

Firearm jams (per narration).

Suspect visibly unaffected by wound.

Suspect wrestles firearm away from officer (per narration).

Suspect attempts to shoot officer with firearm (per narration).

Firearm remains jammed (per narration).

Suspect uses firearm as a club against officer.

Officer escapes reach of suspect, retrieves firearm and radio, and calls for backup.

Officer uses firearm as a club to help keep suspect at bay until backup arrives.

So… High speed chase? Unknown – cannot be assumed to exist or not exist based on existing evidence and must be thrown out unless convincing evidence is brought forth. Racial motivation? Unknown – cannot be assumed to exist or not exist based on existing evidence and must be thrown out unless convincing evidence is brought forth. Verbal or physical provocation or abuse by officer prior to the stop becoming a physical altercation? Again, unknown – cannot be assumed to exist or not exist based on existing evidence and must be thrown out unless convincing evidence is brought forth.

In other words, either convicting or mitigating factors – on both sides, simply do not exist. We see and hear what the tv show wanted us to see and hear, and evidence is simply not present for the discussion at hand. All we really see in this is an example of the escalation of force during an encounter. We can confirm the first *apparent* use of deadly force is by the suspect (using his hands), while the officer attempted first to order verbally, then disable. To determine more we will require the complete, unedited video of the encounter, plus the police report, plus any and all records regarding the internal police investigation of the incident as well as the courtroom procedings. Any decision based on less would be pure conjecture, as we are using modified video (they changed the sequence of events in order to show some things more than once or in slow-mo, and added in music plus a thudding sound during the fight) for evidence. I don’t know where to get this – can anybody provide so we can settle the matter?

Ha ha! Damn lazy donut eating pig got what was comming to him! I can almost garuntee that he arrested someone b4 for something that they didn’t do and this was just karma comming back to bite him in the ass! Ha! I say ALL cops get what came to them when stuff like this happens! Yes, even the ones that were shot dead! They knew there was a possibility of getting killed in action, but they still decided to take the job anyway!

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