The PS’ not too public love affair with the Danish People’s Party

The DPP is an anti-migration, ethno-nationalist, anti-Islam,populist anti-elitist and anti-EU party that wants welfare only for native Danes. The PS is the a carbon copy of the latter.

If you want to know what kind of a Finland the Perussuomalaiset (PS) want to turn the country into, take a good look at their political mentors in Denmark, the Danish People’s Party (DPP). Was it a coincidence that DPP EuroMP, Morten Messerschmidt, spoke at the PS’ annual congress in Joensuu?

Messerschmidt was charged in 2007 for singing Nazi marching songs and giving the Hitler salute in a bar in Tivoli, the major tourist attraction in central Copenhagen.

He was cleared of such charges in 2009 by a court, which forced the daily BT to compensate Messerschmidt for libel. Together with two other DPP members in 2001, Messerschmidt was sentenced by a court for 14 days for ethnic agitation. A DPP ad in Studiomagazinet claimed that Denmark would face mass rapes, violence, insecurity, forced marriages, women would be oppressed, and gang crime if the country became a multiethnic society.

Despite this outburst by the DPP EuroMP, the anti-immigration Danish populist party has its hands full with its racists and neo-Nazis, which it expels from the party regularly. Soini’s PS, however, hasn’t been so eager to weed out its racists and neo-Nazis.

This video clip was published before the September 2012 election in Denmark.

How did the DPP influence Denmark’s immigration laws?

Both the Danish and foreign spouse must be at least 24 years old to live in Denmark

The Danish partner must post a bond of £7,200 collateral ($11,600)

The foreign spouse must pass a language and general knowledge test

Both need to demonstrate a combined attachment to Denmark greater than to any other country

They have to prove that they have ”actively participated in Danish society” for at least a year

Many asylum seekers were kept in limbo for years

If the PS ever got in government or became the biggest party in the 2015 election, I have no doubt that it will follow DPP’s anti-immigration and populist path.

Despite the usual assurances by Timo Soini that the anti-immigration hardliners in the PS are ”a myth” fabricated by the media, few serious analysts believe his words. Soini, like the worst used car salesmen, is a political animal that will do anything to pitch a political sale to voters, even if it promotes greater hostility towards immigrants and visible minorities.

Mark my words: The PS would love to play the same role that the DPP had played in Denmark.

The jury is still out whether voters will give the PS such a questionable mandate.

Yossie, read what I wrote carefully. He was charged not sentence. The whole case was a good launching pad for his political career as an EuroMP. Moreover, we didn’t mention a case in 2001, when he was sentenced with two others to 14 days imprisonment for inciting ethnic agitation with a DPP ad in Studio that claimed: “Mass rapes, Gross violence, Insecurity, Forced marriages, Oppression of women, gang crime. This is what a multiethnic society offers us.”

Yes, I read it carefully and as such I asked whether you decided to leave the final outcome out just so it looked better for your agenda.

You think its fine to use these kind of half truths? Failing to tell the final outcome really changes the whole story. Is this a credible site at all if you think its all fine? Should we check all the things you write just in case you conviniently forgot to mention vital pieces of information?

Morten is a convicted racist. That much is clear. In this case, the allegations could not be sustantiated in a court of law so the paper had no alternative but to withdraw the story and pay damages, despite three sources standing by their claims even during the court case. His sister was a key witness in his defence. That was the outcome.

Nevertheless, his history and very public profile make it very clear where he stands when it comes to giving equal citizenship to all citizens of Denmark. The overall story therefore isn’t changed, even if Enrique hasn’t given the full facts in regard to one aspect of it. If it had been the only evidence of racism and fascism, then it would be a different story.

And yes, you should check everything you read. Mistakes do happen and standards do slip. That doesn’t mean there aren’t any standards, ever, even though this is what you clearly imply about MT!

“What concerns you, Yossie? Is it that we expose far right groups like the DPP for what they are?”

What concerns me is that you are hide part of the story to make your case!

“It’s not a “half truth” that Morten Messerchmidt was “charged.” He was but the charges were dropped. ”

If I fucking have to tell you what is wrong in this then I wonder how you can ever be or been a journalist.

Should I go on telling people about MT was taken down for hate speach/incitement/inappropriate content and is now working on different server? And ofcourse telling around this is fine because “it would not have suprised many”? Fucking unbelievable you think its all fine….

Should I go on telling people about MT was taken down for hate speach/incitement/inappropriate content and is now working on different server?

This has never happened. This is not even a half truth.

Yossie. Morten is a convicted racist who advocates second and third class citizenship for people belonging to different groups in the same society. Not only that, he defames and stigmatises certain groups as a justification for that second- third-class citizenship. He constructs this state system on the back of a concept of ‘national identity’, which he makes central to politics, thus taking the freedom of culture away from citizens and putting it in the hands of a ‘militarised/authoritarian’ bureaucracy. This is Nazism in everything but name.

However, I do agree with your basic assertion that Migrant Tales should not make selective use of facts to bolster a case, especially when that case is already so strong. Hardly seems worth the deception, does it? But of course journalistic integrity is the key concept here and I’m sure that Enrique will give ground on that point. He modified the original story, and I think this is the most obvious indication that he accepts the point.

He probably just doesn’t like being reminded about issues of integrity by one of our resident racists! After all, racism is itself one huge lie, Yossie!

Now, square up and tell us whether you agree with Morten’s statement on gang rape etc? Should he have been convicted of hate speech? Do you consider his derogatory statement to be a lie against individual members of the ‘ethnic’ groups he referred to? Do you consider that such public messages are harmful to the dignity, standing, reputation, prospects and rights of completely innocent members of those non-native ‘ethnic’ groups he refers to? Do you consider such generalised and ‘false’ accusations against the individual to be a matter of concern? Do you feel any outrage about the abuse of public office to perpetuate these lies merely to reap political capital and bolster a fractured sense of identity?

Tell me, are you happy to tolerate those kind of lies, even while you work up your sense of outrage over MT’s occasional editorial slip, a slip that was quickly acknowledged and corrected?

–Should I go on telling people about MT was taken down for hate speach/incitement/inappropriate content and is now working on different server?

Is this another Hommaforum fabricated lie? It is. No one took us down for hate speech. Ridiculous.

We have certain standards at MT and we, especially I, aren’t afraid of correcting or elaborating on a story. With respect to Morten Messerschmidt we did exactly that. If you look at the source we used, which cites the Irish Times, doesn’t elaborate on what happened but mentioned that he was charged – not sentenced. We did exactly the same thing except that we elaborated more and took on board what you suggested. Don’t you think that this is being fair?

“Migrant Tales was taken down by a terms of service complaint made to WordPress.

We will be back and immigrants in Finland WILL find their voice on the internet. This time, we’ll take steps to make sure this cannot happen again.

– the Migrant Tales team”

For very least you were taken down because of complaint made of you. But that is hardly the point if you understood what I was after with the example. You can use something like that to make a totally different image if you miss to tell that you were brought up very shortly afterwards because the complaint was found to be false (I suppose?).

“We did exactly the same thing except that we elaborated more and took on board what you suggested. Don’t you think that this is being fair?”

and I did say its fine now after you made the change. What concerned me was your attitude of not caring that you only told half of the case (the part that you liked)

I guess you didn’t follow the story up or do any kind of research. Two days later we published the reasons for the deactivation and it was not due to a complaint. The original notification mentioned a violation of ‘terms of service’, which we at first suspected was due to a mischevious complaint made to WordPress, but which turned out to be due to the links being posted in the comments section falling into WordPress.com’s anti-spam filter. This was the message we received and which was posted onto the blog a few days later:

“Your site was flagged by our automated anti-spam controls. I have reviewed your site and have removed the suspension notice. We are very sorry for that happening and the inconvenience it caused you.”

But hey, mistakes happen, as we know. I trust you will not continue to make this unsubstantiated claim against us.

Yossie – why didn’t you respond one iota to the points I made about Morten’s extremism and the ‘lie of racism’ and its very serious impact on innocent people? Not important for you?

“guess you didn’t follow the story up or do any kind of research. Two days later we published the reasons for the deactivation and it was not due to a complaint.”

Right, I must have missed that piece of news then. I imagined the complaint later on got declared false and as such you got back on very fast. That isnt the point really though.

“But hey, mistakes happen, as we know. I trust you will not continue to make this unsubstantiated claim against us”

I wasnt really claiming that but that if you hide the later news about the case, you could make a claim that makes it looks that way. It was my example of how things shouldnt work.

“Yossie – why didn’t you respond one iota to the points I made about Morten’s extremism and the ‘lie of racism’ and its very serious impact on innocent people?”

Sure, not very nice for innocent people. Then again, when those things seem to be huge problems in certain countries, its not too far fetched to believe that immigration will also bring those individuals who have these problems.

its not too far fetched to believe that immigration will also bring those individuals who have these problems.

It’s not far-fetched at all, because EVERY population has a minority of rapists, abusers, drug addicts and criminals. Therefore it is extremely immoral to use this very obvious fact to stigmatise an immigrant population. Many factors can also further skew national statistics to also make an immigrant population look more criminal, including reporting behaviour, age and other demographic biases, higher deprivation (which is also connected to higher rates of crime in the native population too), and also police practices when it comes to detaining, searching, and decisions to prosecute.

While its not good to generelise, on other hand, would you let your daughter go alone to tahrir square?

I doubt most parents would like any of their children to have been in that square in recent weeks, given that this is a political very unstable situation. I hardly see the relevance to Finland though in your comment! Or are you just continuing your blind and hapless attempt to smear the reputation of Muslims or North Africans?

And again, you did not deal with the central question: do you condemn the racist lies that Morten has been convicted of that clearly negatively affect the dignity, standing, prospects, wellbeing and security of innocent and hard-working citizens in Denmark? No comment, eh? And no fucking surprise about that, either! Because of course, as your answer clearly implies, you agree with these racist lies and with their perpetuation by public figures!

I imagined the complaint later on got declared false and as such you got back on very fast.

Ugh, no! Why would you imagine that? The situation has been more than adequately described to you and it had nothing to do with a ‘complaint’. Yet still you seem to want to cling to the notion somehow…

Mark, we can mention what happened and that BT was forced to pay a fine for libel. We said he was charged and should have added that a court ruled in his favor against BT. That’s how I updated the story. Never did we claim he was sentenced. Moreover, we can mention another case in 2001 when he was, together with two other DPP members, sentenced by a court for ethnic agitation.

He has given interviews for a popular antijihadist site, The Gates of Vienna.

This is how he sees immigration in Europe: “I think we need three sets of rules of immigration. One for Europeans, who will be regulated by EU-law. One for people from the rest of the Western World, including parts of East Asia, South America, etc. And then a third set of rules for the third world, who in general do not really offer anything we can benefit from, speaking of education, labour craft and knowledge. And as for the second initiative we must stop paying welfare to people without Danish citizenship – and make much harsher regulations for those only coming for economic reasons.”