i like it for windwalker because windwalkers always get two chi per jab and some times you can accidently hit jab on three chi and then you feel really dumb. Ascension makes that less likely, power strikes just exacerbates the problem, and chi is not hard to come by for wind walkers.

As a mistweaver however, i need all the chi i can get, never enough chi, so I use Power Strikes (I like to melee heal anyway, so i get great use out of power strikes).

Have not tried brewmaster, i am thinking thought that Power Strikes is good to overcome initial-pull squishiness, since we need four Chi right away to set up Blackout Kick and Guard, Keg smash+Jab right off the bat gives up the four chi we need to start our active mitigation right away.

Currently using on windwalker but going to switch over to power strikes to train myself and maximize dps before we get into harder raids. (ascension is 0% dps gain on a good monk)

its also not a DPS loss which power strikes can be if you go to double jab and get the 3 chit first. Thats the issue i have with power strikes, i simply do not like it. On top of that Chi Brew is the same amount of "extra" chi over the course of a fight. Also i do not see power strikes giving more then .5% DPS if that. If you are GCD locked you are GCD locked.

Never tried it out, Power Strikes is just too good to pass up, especially on my Brewmaster. I also have it on my WW, but I can see down the road once you have higher tier gear, and Chi generation is moot, I can trade PS in for it.

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Power Strikes will create a chi orb on the ground if you push it over the 4 chi limit. So no matter what, it will grant you an extra chi; just need to be prepared to run over it.

More or less need to track the timer on it, so you dont do PS Jab->Jab, but instead Jab->PS Jab

it will only generate one if the 3 chit jab puts you over, not if you have 3 then get 2 from a second jab, and that is the bad side of it i see. If it was truly a "5th" chi every time then it would be better but right now at the start of a fight you cannot jab twice because you generate 5 chi with only 4 max chi.

it will only generate one if the 3 chit jab puts you over, not if you have 3 then get 2 from a second jab, and that is the bad side of it i see. If it was truly a "5th" chi every time then it would be better but right now at the start of a fight you cannot jab twice because you generate 5 chi with only 4 max chi.

Yup that's why you always track to make sure you're going Jab -> PS Jab and not vice versa. At the very start of the fight in raids, it'll act as a nice way to get your 3 stack rolling for Tiger Palm and can be timed out for an extra orb to keep the 3 stack rolling without interrupting a Rising Sun Kick.

It'll end up coming down to a by-boss choice for absolutely optimal dps -- safe route: PS, spikes: Brew

I would only use it for WW, as Brewmaster I use Power Strikes as it provides the most Chi and allows you to use your abilities more and as Mistweaver I would use Chi Brew for those times you need heals but are low on mana or chi. But Ascension for WW is nice because it allows you to pool more chi and allows you more wiggle room if you have chi and your mastery procs happen.

If you don't mess up, Power Strikes is always the best choice. If you're concerned about messing up, get Chi Brew.

There really is no reason to pick Ascension as it doesn't offer any performance at all and you can't mess up Chi Brew. Well you can, but it's extremely unlikely.

the best choice is the one you like the most which makes you perform better. You could get the best everything to someone and they can still make it terrible. or did you not see the plethora of arcane mages that failed at their 1 button rotation?

The thing about this new talent system is each teir is balanced agaist the other talents of that teir so they all basically do the same thing over the LONG term. On top of that chi bre and power strikes is the exact same amount of chi over time provided you use it on cooldown, acension allows you to pool more chi making it harder to energy cap and makes it hard to be out of chi and energy at the same time.

On top of that chi bre and power strikes is the exact same amount of chi over time provided you use it on cooldown, acension allows you to pool more chi making it harder to energy cap and makes it hard to be out of chi and energy at the same time.

Power Strikes is optimally 4 Chi every 80 seconds. Chi Brew is optimally 4 Chi every 90 seconds. There's a difference, albeit a small one. And Chi Brew has other advantages, like burst. About your points on Ascencion, yes it allows you to pool more chi but it does not help in making it hard to be out of both Chi and energy at the same time. In fact, over other talents, it's the opposite.

About Ascension, as already stated, it gives you no Chi and thus is a DPS loss over other talents. Sure, if you tend to screw up and require Ascension to not cap Chi, it's likely you don't care too much about maximizing your potential anyways so might as well choose Ascension.

Once you're GCD capped, Ascension may be interesting because you won't get any benefit from the alternatives. But that won't happen until T14H for WW.

So much wrong with this post...

1) Both Ascension and (especially) Chi Brew allow for more burst. Chi Brew could very well be better overall depending on your trinkets.

2) Even if you are GCD capped you can still benefit from Chi Brew and Power Strikes.

3) Saying Ascension offers "no" performance is dumb. Some of our utility costs 2 or 3 chi, and without ascension a single blackout kick or rising sun kick will take us under that amount, forcing us to use another GCD to get the Chi needed.

Great thing about tier 45 is that all the talents have uses. Chi Brew seems to be the least popular, but it has the benefit of being an emergency CD, and it can utilize Healing Elixirs. Getting 4 chi instantly along with 10% of your HP from one button is nothing to sneeze at.