John Kissinger [12/01/2015 8:04 AM]Not too sure if I mostly disagree or mostly agree or does it even matter? https://vimeo.com/140700931 Jon Sellers David M. Hinsen

David M. Hinsen [12/01/2015 8:10 AM]I personally don’t get why evangelicals wouldn’t vote. I’ve heard the reasoning I just don’t get it. Why would you not vote? Ultimately there will be a GOP candidate and unless we want 4-8 years of Billary we must vote.

John Kissinger [12/01/2015 8:11 AM]mainly b/c his value system is neither evangelical nor conservative – I would have thought Michael L Brown would be successful in making the moral-value case but instead he goes for Donald making fun of people – how about wanting a segregation and registration of Muslims (and other faiths) in America??? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fear-faith-and-the-rise-of-ben-carson/2015/11/30/3a94c1d2-93a9-11e5-a2d6-f57908580b1f_story.html

David M. Hinsen [12/01/2015 8:34 AM]I understand. I will vote for whoever the conservative nomination goes too. For me, a non vote is a vote for the dems.

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John Kissinger [12/01/2015 8:36 AM]Peter A Vandever wrote about the danger of that recently. I am also appalled by the following comparison Clinton against AIDS vs Trump against Muslims (and I like Trump) Jon Sellers https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/671677410438418432

John Kissinger [12/02/2015 3:48 AM]Well, at least Trump saw much love in the room, he said http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/29/donald-trump-cancels-press-conference-with-black-evangelical-leaders-that-he-thought-would-include-endorsement/

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Nelson Banuchi Gary Micheal Epping I am still confused HOW to take Brown’s politically inclined pentecostalism? May need to post more on this later Ricky Grimsley has also posted some confusing snap shots back in the day…

I hadn’t seen the snapshots. I don’t know this Brothers reason. But I don’t see how anyone could find reasons not to vote for him, with the other side has stripped our country of freedom. Almost dictator ship. They believe in everything but God. And they are going to see how it will be if it goes to the other side. Vote to kill babies while in the mother womb , and I don’t like to write the words on Facebook. But anyway same sex couples is fine in their book. Just what bright Judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah. But it seems some won’t be satisfied until they vote for this garbage. All I heard that , in the last turn. Was I’m borrowing so many trillion more. A very short time. So many more trillion, I guess to run our debt up when they had so many million. Any anything less than that was crumbs to them.I would like to know what about Trump would be so much worse.

Well, u persuaded me, Sissy Hixon. Before, I was saw Trump as a petulant child, an “anti-Christ”, but now I fully support him, as a result of your in-depth, biblically-supported and theologically sound argument. Congrats.

MINDLESS. MINDLESS. MINDLESS. U have NO idea on the abortion issue. Dem policies PREVENT abortions because they support kids AFTER they are born, leading women NOT to have them. U are PRO-BIRTH only, not Pro LIFE.

I posted in the other thread what Dr. Brown has to say about the NAR, but will do it again here to get it clear that Dr. Brown thinks NAR is a myth. How would you like it if people on here started saying that you are a closet NAR proponent? It would probably tick you off and it should. Same goes with Dr. Brown.
Dr. Michael Brown recently comments, “That’s why I have raised my voice repeatedly in recent months to debunk the myth of NAR: What the critics describe simply doesn’t exist. To this day, when I bring up NAR to colleagues, either they have no idea what I’m referring to, or else they say, ‘That was Peter Wagner’s organization.’ Last year, some colleagues began sending me links to articles and videos attacking me as one of the leaders of NAR. Worse still, the websites claimed, I denied being part of it. How nefarious and dishonest of me! (To this moment, when I tell the truth about “NAR,” I’m called a liar. It would be very funny it wasn’t very sad.) I began to ask other colleagues about NAR (or, in full, the New Apostolic Reformation). Almost to a person, they responded, “What is NAR?” Yet they, too, were alleged leaders in this so-called world movement! How is it they never heard of it either? (According to the critics, all of us are lying about our involvement in NAR because we’re embarrassed by it. Honestly, these critics could make better use of their time writing a novel about the Illuminati.)”

I have teachings on Masons. I’ve got their tapes. They say Masons are a cult. I wish you could hear these teachings. By the John Ankerberg show. I use to listen to him a lot. But haven’t seen him in a long time. He and one other man. Did a long teaching on the Masons. I know unless the Church Of God has changed its teachings. They teach against belonging to secret lodges. They bring our Scriptures on the teaching.

For the record, Louise Cummings, and without getting into an argument or even a discussion with you (such would be fruitless,I can see).let me just tell u and others here that while u “Don’t see how anyone could find reasons not to vote for” Con Man Don…

….I have HUNDREDS of reasons.

I find in unfathomable that you don’t see “any”. And sad. Jesus said we should love God with all MIND. I don’t see any evidence of u even trying to do that.

The only difficulty is limiting it to a dozen, and choosing the best. Will, here goes a very brief attempt at both .

1.He LIES. CONSTANTLY.

2. He is a con man. Ask anyone (who doesn’t have a current conflict of interest) who’s done business with him – in New York or elsewhere. He’s known as one of the most prolific grifters in American History.

3. He’s openly committed Treason – selling himself and his country to Russia;

4. He openly and consistently violates EVERY one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

5. He exhibits not only Fruit of the Spirit. I’ve often asked Trumpies to tell me even ONE of the ten that he displays. Nobody has every even tried. They know it’s fruitless.

6. He smells bad.

Sorry…had to insert some “levity” here :). But, really, I hear from peeps that he literally stinks :).

7. He is a FAKE Christian, and in being so, openly MOCKS our faith – setting a horrific example for our kids and others of what it means to be a Christ-Follower;

8. He is a sexual ABUSER. I woudn’t let my daughters within a mile of him.

9. He is horribly CORRUPT – charging the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars so far for HIS OWN STAYS at his golf courses and other properties.

10. He is authoritarian – a Dictator Wanna-Be;

11. He undermines our most treasured and important democratic institutions – the FBI, CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as well as the DOJ, even the military;

12. He undermines our Free Press, calling it “The Enemy of the People”, and in doing so giving carte blanche to his fellow dictators, like the Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia, to brutally murder HIS “enemy”.

Dude, that was what I came up with in 8 minutes off the top of my head. Yet, he is such a miserable excuse for a human being, let alone a “Divinely Ordained Gift of God President”, that I could write for HOURS.

Yet, Louise Cummings “can’t think of any reason not to vote for him.”

LOUISE, Dear. WHAT PLANET HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING ON THE PAST 3 YEARS???!!!!

Dave pls forgive my early hours temporary mix up When I read your prior comment I took you for ALL for and was asking for your reasons FOR, which I now see you may got none 🙂 I like points 7 +11 that early in the AM Nelson

I wrote a long paragraph. I don’t have a clue what makes you feel like that about me. But for one reason I would help him. Is he stands for Israel. The Bible says those that bless Israel. I will bless them. Believe me , if anyone needs the blessing it is us as an individual. And for sure as a nation. The last one did not like Israel. And was doing everything he could against them. Most all of the Presidents has wanted Israel to give away their land. And you look back at the record. And see that came down to getting Israel. Something bad would. One of our Presidents. , one of his homes was leveled to the ground. And dominoes came. I can’t mention all the things. They , not only America Presidents wanted their land given away, but others too. And you can see where they. It wasn’t all of America wanted it to happen but some of them did. I’ll tell you how I feel.I think the last one along with other Nations didn’t only want them to give away part of their land. They wanted to get rid of all of them. Wipe them off the map. And God had already told Abraham this land is yours. As far as you can see and as far as you can walk it’s belongs to you. And when Moses led the Jews to Canaan land , and Joshua led them across. And told every Tribe just what part would be theirs. What was Canaan then is now called Israel. And it was Prophesied that Jesus or the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem of Judah. , that means Bread of Life. Jesus said I Am The Bread that came down from Heaven. Now I would say it’s not Jerusalem they hate. It The Lord Jesus Christ. Most around there doesn’t believe in Jesus as being the SonOf God. Most now. And are Muslims. It isn’t that he hates Trump so much as it is. He is standing for Israel. He was raised in that land. Now I prayed for him when he was president. And still pray for that side also. But we are living , from what I see the Bible says. I believe the time is short. And when Nations see that someone is going to stand for Israel. They want to rip him apart. But it is not Trump they are fighting against. It’s The Lord. Because God is going to fight for Israel. Because. I have chosen to write my Name There. God can use Saint or sinner.But God will take care of His land. As far as Trump goes. I don’t. Know if Trump is a Christian or not. But he thinks he s Christian. The Lord knows. But Abraham was living in a pagan country. Severing pagan gods. And the Lord told him to pick up and go to a country I will show you. Abraham believed God and obeyed God. If there was ever a man that lived for God and lived by Faith I God. It was Abraham. Well you gave me the challenge. Well you got it. God gave you the choice to vote like you want to. He gave me the same chance. So I think I’ll pray as I have already done. To vote the way the Lord wants me to.

I get it. The commie left is right there with the delusional never trumpets. We have a businessman in the white house that puts America first. Commie left is a godless destructive force.
Try not to conflate your earthly emotions for facts. The greater good is served by trump. No one else has stepped up since Reagan

I changed my mind about Trump too, like many christians. Wouldn’t call it a flip, but a result of gathering more information. Nothing wrong with that. I have no problem with Dr. Brown switching his views on Trump also.

Gary NAR is out there destroying churches making it not a nonsense Neither is G12 from where Wagner took the idea. Kingdom-now is the foundation of Pat’s CBN the spills political beans every day toward the church. Dominionism has taken over most of American Charismatics

We wake up to a new old America today. IMHO Dr Brown has smelled the coffee and wants in on it – perhaps adviser to the president in due/soon time. He has repented for his priors and now awaits the royal mercy #please spare me the political nonsense We’ve seen it too many times before

Bottom line
I was wrong about IHOP being NAR and Peter Vandever was right However they still backed a NAR candidate Ted of Texas

Brown if not true NAR though was side by side with Wagner in Fuller is leaning toward dominionism in his new book in a major major way to please the current administration and make a buck while doing it His books will NOT sell as an antiTrump preacher so he flipped – it’s a sweet deal if you ask me. Sell some books to the anti-side then sell some more to the pro-side It is how marketed Christianity or as Nelson Banuchi calls it rent-a-church works in America today

BTW you and Link Hudson comment without reading the books When my students do that I usually give them a F for not finishing the work. Doing theology without reading your homework is a major fail Just saying!

Troy Day I am not going to watch an hour video or long article trying to find the point you are trying to make. Better for you to just state it concisely in a post. There are just too many of them. You did not like it when Peter Fiske used to do that.

Troy Day Also, my comment to Terry Wiles was not so much in regard to NAR, but his saying “Post Trib is NAR and Romanists holding hands,” which even you said, “Ima leave that one alone right there.” You should have just left it alone.

Troy Day Michael Brown is not listed as a member. The International Coalition of Apostles is not the same as the mythical NAR described today. One source says, “The title New Apostolic Reformation is not an organization and therefore does not have formal membership.”

U don’t see any hypocrisy in saying “Lord, Empty me of me”, as u posted on your wall, while simultaneously (that means “at the same time”) showing such hatred and animosity towards people who are NOT coming to break into your house, but to mow ur lawn?

I flipped the pancake too on Trump. Partly because he is a fighter and is actually doing something as President rather than just jawboning.. Also, the alternate choice for president helped change my views too. What’s the big deal on Dr. Brown changing his mind? It is kind of like someone studying the endtimes, and changing his or her views from pretrib to post trib.

IMO, the problem with Dr. Brown’s walk-back is that it betrayed his conviction that Christians must have “a strong, moral, conservative base of Biblical worldview,” unless his conviction here has changed.

Not just that Nelson he sold out for money and seat at Presidents advisory board. Great career move BUT bad for his followers. From what Terry Wiles and Peter Vandever are telling us, back in the day he refused AG papers and accountability to the larger organisation which MAY have been enough reason for our AG leadership to shut down the revival and set them up to publish Resolution 16

Gary Micheal Epping and what about the people who will try to go through the Tribulation? Will Dr. Brown flip the pancake on the leader then too? Nelson Banuchi Will he write a book about him too or has it already done that ? And let’s see WHO recommends the book – IHOP’s MIKE BICKLE who also flipped his faith and turned to supporting NAR’s kingdom-now dominion liberation theology Ted Cruz #soLong http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/not-afraid-of-the-antichrist/390721

It is a good thing if the president is willung to meet with ministers of the gospel and be prayef for. In Biblical times some kings consulted with priests and prophets. Some if them gad some true prophets around them. But Ahab had some court prophets who told him what he wanted to hear.