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The only person ruining your reputation is yourself CF...BTW, what is that tamper proof imaging software that you are going to be using on that lap top. You have yet to answer that...

__________________You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.
-Rush, "Free Will"

kit my freind and I had a face to face encounter with a small one about 12 or 13 years ago out here ,
We did not know what it was at the time but we both agreed on what we had just saw .
The thought of it being a small bigfoot never entered our minds we just called it a hobbit becouse of its hairy feet and other names but never a bigfoot .
Then when I moved up here 12 years later that is when I had my face to face with the 8 foot male going through my trash .
And after consulting with the bfro we realized the small one was most likely a young bigfoot .
as far as the sightings go I saw one 2 times in one week but then you will go a long time not even hearing anything they just show up when you least expect it .
There is not much I can do to convince you guys that I am telling the truth .
Ive tryed the best I know how but that hasent been good enough .
I am tired of fighting about it you win this time I cant sit here and keep this up it is draining me .
I wish you all the best of luck and I pray someday you get to see for yourelfs these fantastic creatures .

OK, so your trying your best to get people to believe and it's frustrating. Let me help you and see if we get things making more sense.

OK, I know about the little guy and the one in the trash. The little one was before you live where you do know. Not long after you moved to where you are now and soon after moving there you had the encounter with the one in your trash. Was this the week where you saw two? If so, what was the sighting after the trash?

__________________Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer.

Kit after I talk to the FWC they will not need to talk to other witneses .
Have a nice life thanks for helping to ruin my reputation

If looking for followers on a Skeptic's forum is ruining your reputation, then you are looking in the wrong place. Being a reputable Bigfoot researcher WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE VERIFIED BY SOMEONE ELSE does not do a lot for your reputation. You don't need help ruining your reputation, you've got that part well under way.
After you talk to the FWC, after I get a camera, after I get a picture, after I get a head shot at one, after all that, THEN publish your findings. Or do you have time for that?

__________________Don't argue with me. Don't you know who I think I am?

Creekfreak is like other individuals we've seen here over the years. His content, his claims, his wince-inducing style, his attitude: they form the familiar outline of just another poor nutcase, nothing more.

So far he hasn't drawn a lot of mockery, and that's well. We tend to bully too much for our own good. But what can possibly be gained by trying to respond to him? Not amusement, I hope; that would be no more than baiting the village simpleton.

Let him have his make-believe bigfeet, I say, and remain silent. Classier fools will come along soon; this site draws them.

__________________Fill the seats of justice with good men; not so absolute in goodness as to forget what human frailty is. -- Thomas Jefferson

Sackett, while your suggestion is compelling, it would mean that Creekfreak would pack up and leave.

It's also been suggested before, but, it was reasoned that, if we ignored the Creek, we would be stuck with rehashing the PGF for the 652nd time.

__________________"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker
"I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325
Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

I am done folks Ive had enough I did the best I could thanks for paying attention to what I had to say .

You're welcome, though to be honest you deserve much of the credit. Between your incoherent posts, pointless rants, baseless/false claims, lies, etc. you invite critisim...it would be rude of us not to accept.

Just more excuses for you to not follow through on ANY of your claims.

You're welcome, though to be honest you deserve much of the credit. Between your incoherent posts, pointless rants, baseless/false claims, lies, etc. you invite critisim...it would be rude of us not to accept.

Just more excuses for you to not follow through on ANY of your claims.

In closing, let me just say - bye bye

Seconded, don't let the hit ya on the way out whacko. Its amazing you weren't banned for the extortion or the hoaxing but you were good for a chuckle. Buh bye.

I am done folks Ive had enough I did the best I could thanks for paying attention to what I had to say .

CF, before you next wander out looking for BF, take some of the advice that has been put forward to you, especially if you wish to be taken seriously as a researcher.

Keep a journal and take field notes.

On the day and at the time. Not post hoc.

You have demonstrated that your faculty for recollection is less that great. And I'm only referring to your recollection of the contents of your posts, let alone the veracity of your anecdotes.

I'll give you an anecdote of my own to demonstrate my point. This sprung to mind with your pathetic excuses about not being able to get a decent shot of an animal, even though you were out looking for it.
In this example we were NOT expecting see these, but I still got the shot.

In 1996 I went on a 4 week trip to East Africa. I was so overwhelmed the the number of species we were seeing each day and the fact that I was shooting 5 rolls of 36exp film a day, I kept a basic daily list so I could keep track of both and match them up after the fact.

Our 3rd week started at Hwange Nat.Park in Zimbabwe. By that stage we'd seen the Big 5 (AND 7), so when we were asked by the guide what we wanted to spot we replied, "Roan Antelope", to which he replied, "I've been here 15 years and never seen one."

Not surprising, I guess, since the http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/10167/all]IUCN Red List of threatened species[/url]
Lists the Roan Antelope as:Red List Category & Criteria: LR/cd (Lower Risk / conservation dependent)...the focus of a continuing taxon-specific or habitat-specific conservation programme targeted towards the taxon in question, the cessation of which would result in the taxon qualifying for one of the threatened categories above within a period of five years.Year Assessed: 1996

Needless to say we saw three that day.
I took 4 photos.
Film was Fuji colour neg ASA400 and the frames were 23 - 26 inclusive (Processing ID tag no: 6191)

The day was 22nd September 1996
(note the date of the category assessment).

In addition to me seeing it (first), I have 3 other witnesses as well as the camp's guide.

All of this can be verified from my brief list.

Two of the witnesses that aren't my wife could be contacted by email to get their version of the account, one of whom also kept a diary.

Since I still have our itinerary we could probably contact Jijima Camp and find the guide's name, if the animal was actually important enough.

All the above, including the scanning, took less than an hour.

Just a short example of how taking very basic notes AT THE TIME can be used to flesh out FACTUAL details of the sighting.

So, in one hour I was able to get all this background data on a sighting of an At Risk mammal I recall from 11 years ago. Nothing, except for the exact wording of the Q/A with our guide, has been invented from recall.

All facts taken from documents and negatives.

Those woodpecker photos, now.
How long have you been processing them? 22nd October last year I believe.
That's one heck of a slow scanner.

You come on here, make a series of wild claims, fail to back any of them up, and then somehow its our fault?

Seriously..... *pathetic*.

__________________"Here we go again.... semantic and syntactic chicanery and sophistic sleight of tongue and pen.... the bedazzling magic of appearing to be saying something when in fact all that is happening is diverting attention from the attempts at shoving god through the trapdoor of illogic and wishful thinking." - Leumas

I guess we'll never find out about what imaging software he has managed to find that is "tamper proof"

__________________You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.
-Rush, "Free Will"

I arrived late to this thread, but reading thru it it reminds me of all the so-called sightings of this creature, and not one single clear non faked photo. Like the rest of ALL these and other so-called evidence of the paranormal, why is there not a scrap of evidence ever produced. Saucery is the same. Not one photo, film on the interior of a spacecraft or exterior for that matter. It should be easy nowadays, what, with every second person having a mobile phone with camera, we should have had at least one shot that would silence the skeptics by now, that we haven't says it all really.

Not to mention, needing gyroscopic stabilizing for the camera after realizing how much moving & shaking that lens is going to be doing on that 12'tower...

__________________You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.
-Rush, "Free Will"

I arrived late to this thread, but reading thru it it reminds me of all the so-called sightings of this creature, and not one single clear non faked photo. Like the rest of ALL these and other so-called evidence of the paranormal, why is there not a scrap of evidence ever produced.

I've come to believe that every clear, in focus, non shaken photo ever taken of a BF shows the clear image of a bear, cougar (or another well known animal) or a moron in a monkey-suit, and are therefore either shown to be a hoax, or not presented as "evidence" of BF.

The sad truth is no picture will be good enough to convince people like you my God your still argueing about some film taken over 30 years ago .
Oh and btw that film has never been proven to be faked so get over it .
The same goes for my photo you have not proven anything except that nothing will ever be good enough except a body .
Its people like you that will lead someone like me into killing one just to prove a point .
Is that what you want ?
Are you going to be so hard headed that blood will have be shed just to prove you wrong ?
Even after someone kills one will you sit there and call that person a dumb ass for not haveing the resourses to prove it any other way ?
Thats what is going to happen people someone will kill one be it me or someone else its going to happen then how will you feel ?
It will be too late then to say well we should have some how helped raise some money for equipment so one did not have to die .
If you people where as smart as you think you are then you would put your energies into helping not hampering research by not trying to make every shread of evidence out to be hoaxed .
You could make history but you wont do it by being sceptical about everything .
The fact is people are seeing this creature they have been for many years why not try to help find out more about it then denying it .
It doesent help trying to brake the sprits of the ones that are out there doing there best to find out for you .
Sure I may have gone about presenting my photo in the wrong why but that doesent mean I am a bad person or lieing about it .
They dont hand out a handbook on how to handle bigfoot photos when you buy a camara .
If they did the first page should say dont pay attention to what the scptics say becouse they will not beleave you no matter how you handle it .
Its very easy to sit in front of a computer and put down the efforts of others it takes work to go into the feild to look for evidence .
This country was built with a can do mind set not a cant do mind set that is what you have .
We would have nothing no cars no light bulbs or any other invention if those men and women that invented them payed attention to the sceptics .
Edison said of his 1000s of attenpts at the light bulb I was never wrong I just found out what did not work .
The same goes for bigfoot research we are not wrong we just havent found out what works yet .
Well maybe I have but why should I tell you ?
I know how hard headed you sceptics can be my best freind is the worst of all he would put you all to shame .
My point is Ive proven him wrong so many times its just stagering how many times he is worng about things even simple things .
For example I use a lot of aluminum for building things I know how to handle it .
He comes over one day when I was in the middle of a project I had just made 20 cuts with a hack saw mind you .
So I am geting ready to make a cut and he says your not going to be able to cut through that no way you need a torch .
I looked at him and said just how the hell do you think I just cut all this it dident matter that the cuts where siting right in front of him he still dident beleave I cut them with a hack saw .
I couldent beleave he could be so hard headed so I asked him would you care to make a bet I cant cut through this with a hack saw ?
I know a sucker bet when I see one !
He was so stupid he bet me I had my douts at the time myself becouse that blade was about gone and I knew it might not make it one more cut .
First of all that blade had made hundreds of cuts before this project .
Your going to say no way so I will tell you I know a way of sharpening a hack saw so I can make it last a long time when your poor you figure stuff like this out .
I dident want him to see how I did it but I had to show him to be able to make the cut he knew he was had when he saw me sharpening it that was something he did not figure into it .
Anyway I made the cut and that blade made many more after that becouse I made it happen .
The same goes for you it will never happen unless you make it happen siting there puting others down will not get it .
The bad part is that some of you are pretty smart but there will come a time when others will not pay attention to anything you say becouse you have been so worng in the past .
You thought I was gone dident you not yet I still have one lung left boys !

I actually have to admire Creek for the steadfastness in his beliefs, sort of. I am also impressed by his resourcefulness with limited resources, fixing old computers etc. I picture him living in a swamp, surrounded by miles of wilderness and surviving as best he can while enjoying nature. Nothing wrong with that.

Creek, you must understand that the folks on this forum just don't believe in the existence of bigfoot, not that they would not if provided proper evidence. They are responding to your claims without proof in the same way that they would respond if you claimed that you saw a 40 foot alligator. Picture someone telling you that he has evidence of a 40 foot long alligator, but he refuses to show you. How would you react to this? You might even make fun of the guy much the same as what you are experiencing here at the hands of the forum members, since you know how big alligators can really grow to.

Let's say this guy then produces a photo purporting to be a "40 foot alligator", and you take one look and say, "Hey, this is just a log floating in the swamp. I know where that is! I saw it yesterday." But the guy persists claiming you are wrong. What would you do?

Similarly, these guys are simply frustrated that they can neither get you to see what they consider to be the truth, nor cause you to just set up a "bait" with a camera you already have, and snap a bunch of reasonable photos that show a bigfoot raiding your food stores.

I don't think anyone wants you to kill a bigfoot, but what we all want is a "credible" photo. Bear in mind, what you see is what you probably want to see, but to a "non-believer", it is just a vague form..not a creature. No one is rejecting your photo on the sheer basis of trying to be cruel. It just does not show what you claim it shows, that's all.

No one is saying that you are a bad person, or seriously accusing you of lieing. I get the sense these guys actually like you, until you start accusing them of "ruining your reputation", etc., or else they would have abandoned this thread long ago.

I suggest everyone take a deep breath, start all over, and calmly try to inform Creek just what it will take to convince each of us.

Moving on, I know it's frustrating when people don't believe you so let's try and take things one step at a time and get an idea of what you say is going on there, OK?

This is where we left off. Just hit the quote button on my post and remember... r before o, r before o.

Quote:

OK, I know about the little guy and the one in the trash. The little one was before you live where you do know. Not long after you moved to where you are now and soon after moving there you had the encounter with the one in your trash. Was this the week where you saw two? If so, what was the sighting after the trash?

__________________Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer.

I just had another face to face encounter at about 40 yards It lasted a good 5 min.
He stared at me and I stared at him the whole time .
I could not see much detail but I saw his face and color well enough to be able to tell what it was .
He had a white face monkey in apperence with black hair covering his body not very thick in the chest area and stood about 5 feet tall on 2 legs bent at the knees .
He showed no experession change in his face just one expression the whole time he was very still .
Except to very slowly look to his side a few times maybe to warn others I could not see .
This just happened within the last half hour No photos I dident have my cam with me .
By the time I got back with it he was out of sight there was no use trying to track him I would not have got close again becouse of the dence brush .
No excuses folks just the facts sorry but thats the way it goes researchers call it the bigfoot curse .
This makes 3 sightings within 100 yards of my trailer I do beleave that calls for a bottle of run this was just what I needed to get focused again .

So, that would make four encounters, yes? Going with the idea that you're not lying and may have actually seen what you claim, how can you reasonably rule out a prank? Also, was it day or night? 40 yards, 5 ft, no expression change, couldn't see much detail. Kids messing with you?

__________________Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer.

How would a kid know I would be in that area at that time no this was an animal no dout flesh and blood clearly visable and showed no super powers .
This just happened kit no more then a half hour ago .

How would a kid know I would be in that area at that time no this was an animal no dout flesh and blood clearly visable and showed no super powers .
This just happened kit no more then a half hour ago .

Freak, I'm in Tokyo. I don't know what time it is in Florida. You're at your trailer. It's completely possible for people in your neighbourhood to know about your bigfoot activities.

ETA: Also, if it happened 30 minutes ago, go right now and set out some beans, bacon, venison, or whatever and get ready with your camera.

__________________Until better evidence is provided, the best solution to the PGF is that it is a man in a suit. -Astrophotographer.

I have studied biology all my life. Wanted to be the next Merlin Perkins and Jim Fowler(whom I've met) Still remember the phone number for Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom from the 70's. This purported creature has been talked about for longer than I can quote. There is even a website that chronicles tales of BF being shot. So, I won't be the first to say we need a specimen. Live would be preferred. If someone would be so stupid to be out in the woods dressed like one...well. Would not matter if the thing is 5 ft or 9 ft. I know I could ping one from 100 yards...and would not even have to leave the porch.

Freak, round up some friends(with good rifles) and have them come over to watch some B-ball, drink some beers, and do some target practice. The weather is nice today. Just a slight chill in the air. Good day for the BF to take a stroll.

This was not a person in a suit I dont think anyone in this area could make something like this hollywood maybe not not anyone around here .
Other then that none would have been able to get away as it did without me hearing them no man is that good in the woods .
a man or kid would have had to make a lot of noise in that brush to be able to get away as fast as it did I would have heard them . a navy seal could not do it no kid could ether
It dident take me long to go get my cam I was only about 20 yards from it I would have heard a mans movement in that brush

Kit this makes 7 all together not counting the photo I dident see that one when I took the photo .
I did see it but I did not think it was a bigfoot at the time just a stump.
To make it clear Ive had 3 face to face encounters the others where just sightings .

There you go again, CF. You can purchase some pretty good appliances & makeup FX online these day, heck, you can get damn near movie FX stuff starting at around 45$ for a good "planet of the apes" type chimp mask...You saw this critter at 40 yards in dense brush, by your own words, "you could not see much detail" yet you seemed to get a pretty good description? Seems contradictory, added with the fact that the brush was so thick that you feel that you would have heard movement (or seen it), but did not...repeat after me "the plural of anecdote is not data..." If you want people to take you seriously, CF, you have to produce solid evidence, not campfire stories...
Olowkow asked us to explain what it would take for us to take you seriously, so in that regard I will step up & say 1st, a detailed step by step instruction on the process used to "enhance" the blues that will produce the image in your original photo. 2nd, You need to drop the "Cletus" act & understand that there is a very real chance you are mistaken. What will it take to convince you that you are mistaken. PC did a comprehensive analysis of your photo & showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that something other than what you claimed was done had been done to the photo & it pointed towards manipulation of the image to show something that was not there. You need to document the chain of custody of any hair samples you send for analysis, & heck, actually posting pictures of your supposed evidence like hair & footprints would help. BTW, where are those IBW pictures anyway? That's another example of what I mean about you having zero credibility. You said you could see it clearly, than you said that your camera can't get a clear picture, So I posted pictures taken with the exact same camera showing that it is more than capable of taking said photos quite clearly, after which you changed the subject...Behavior like that makes it look like you are being less than honest in your research.

__________________You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear-
I will choose Free Will.
-Rush, "Free Will"

just had another face to face encounter at about 40 yards It lasted a good 5 min.
He stared at me and I stared at him the whole time .
I could not see much detail but I saw his face and color well enough to be able to tell what it was .
He had a white face monkey in apperence with black hair covering his body not very thick in the chest area and stood about 5 feet tall on 2 legs bent at the knees .
He showed no experession change in his face just one expression the whole time he was very still .
Except to very slowly look to his side a few times maybe to warn others I could not see .
This just happened within the last half hour No photos I dident have my cam with me .

I just can't believe you would come here with a story like that!
This will only add to your reputation of being mentally ill.
Why would you want that?
Are you really that lonely?

I could not see much detail but I saw his face and color well enough to be able to tell what it was. He had a white face monkey in apperence with black hair covering his body not very thick in the chest area and stood about 5 feet tall on 2 legs bent at the knees. He showed no experession change in his face just one expression the whole time he was very still.

Like this?

__________________Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

The sad truth is no picture will be good enough to convince people like you my God your still argueing about some film taken over 30 years ago .

Excuses

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Oh and btw that film has never been proven to be faked so get over it .

Partially true, the PG film has never been proven a fake...that is different then saying it is genuine (ie. it shows a "BF").

Alternative explanations to what the PG film shows have been successfully demonstrated, and thus discounts its (the PG film) credibility.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

The same goes for my photo you have not proven anything except that nothing will ever be good enough except a body .

Excuses; that aside your pic is worthless

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Its people like you that will lead someone like me into killing one just to prove a point .
Is that what you want ?

Shooting a bear (which is what you are seeing, they are common in your area) does nothing to prove your point.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Are you going to be so hard headed that blood will have be shed just to prove you wrong ?
Even after someone kills one will you sit there and call that person a dumb ass for not haveing the resourses to prove it any other way ?
Thats what is going to happen people someone will kill one be it me or someone else its going to happen then how will you feel ?
It will be too late then to say well we should have some how helped raise some money for equipment so one did not have to die .

Same comment above applies.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

If you people where as smart as you think you are then you would put your energies into helping not hampering research by not trying to make every shread of evidence out to be hoaxed .

Excuses. That aside, "every shred of evidence" as it relates to "BF" thus far has been shown to be either hoaxed, or explainable via other means.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

You could make history but you wont do it by being sceptical about everything .

Pointless babble

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

The fact is people are seeing this creature they have been for many years why not try to help find out more about it then denying it .

Amazingly wrong; the fact is people are seeing things they can not readily explain which is ofter the case. In every case, the "witness" has been shown to be less then credible, or what they claim to have seen is explainable via other means.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

It doesent help trying to brake the sprits of the ones that are out there doing there best to find out for you .

If you are doing this for me, then please stop.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Sure I may have gone about presenting my photo in the wrong why but that doesent mean I am a bad person or lieing about it .
They dont hand out a handbook on how to handle bigfoot photos when you buy a camara .
If they did the first page should say dont pay attention to what the scptics say becouse they will not beleave you no matter how you handle it .

Pointless babble and excuses.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Its very easy to sit in front of a computer and put down the efforts of others it takes work to go into the feild to look for evidence .

It is equally easy to pick up a book (such as one on "Research Methods"), and learn how to do "credible scientific work".

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

This country was built with a can do mind set not a cant do mind set that is what you have .

Pointless babble

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

We would have nothing no cars no light bulbs or any other invention if those men and women that invented them payed attention to the sceptics .
Edison said of his 1000s of attenpts at the light bulb I was never wrong I just found out what did not work .

Pointless babble, not to mention galactically wrong and demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of what skeptics do as well as the "scientific method" (or science in general).

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

The same goes for bigfoot research we are not wrong we just havent found out what works yet .

Excuses

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

Well maybe I have but why should I tell you ?

Proof?

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

I know how hard headed you sceptics can be my best freind is the worst of all he would put you all to shame .
My point is Ive proven him wrong so many times its just stagering how many times he is worng about things even simple things .

Pointless babble

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

For example I use a lot of aluminum for building things I know how to handle it .<snip>

Pointless babble.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

The same goes for you it will never happen unless you make it happen siting there puting others down will not get it .

Excuses

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

The bad part is that some of you are pretty smart but there will come a time when others will not pay attention to anything you say becouse you have been so worng in the past .

Prove me wrong, and I'll gladly admit it.

Originally Posted by Creekfreak

You thought I was gone dident you not yet I still have one lung left boys !

Actually, you said you were leaving; your return (while not unexpected) is just another example of how intellectually dishonest you've been.

Why couldn't this have been a monkey or ape? Florida has been home to countless wildlife parks or mini zoos. I remember the 100's if not 1000's if monkeys at Silver Springs decades ago. They tried to catch them all. I am sure they didn't. The panhandle of Florida would be good habitat for them. When food gets scarce or they get bored...a trip to Freak's place. Kinda like the Geico commercial with the squirrel we see the monkeys high fiven each other every time they mess with Freak.