Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 20, 2017 14:06:23 GMT -5

I'm a huge fan of Awuzia from Colorado. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he gets anywhere near the second round. Pass on any of these CBs at 6 this year. I'm taking Adams there over ANY corner in this draft.

Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 20, 2017 14:28:11 GMT -5

Do not want him at 6. Too many good CBs to be had in round 2 or 3, coupled with major concerns over his injury history. We just cut Dee Milliner last year, why would we draft him again at 6?

Plus the video versus Penn State just reminds me that I really, really want Saquon Barkley to be a Jet in the 2018 draft.

Agreed. The injuries really concern me. Also like Maury said he's not aggressive at the line of scrimmage. 95% of the time he doesn't even get his hands on the WR. He just immediately flips his hips and takes off down the field. With that said I wouldn't mind taking him if we dropped back to the 12-15 range, but I'd still prefer Howard, Njoku, Engram, Williams, Davis, Cook, or Reddick over him.

I also really like Barkley. Maybe if we drop back we can pick up a 1st next year instead of a 2nd this year. Then we can take Darnold and Barkley. That would be a dream come true.

Barkley broke the all-time Penn State record for the power clean at a jaw-dropping 390 pounds. Barkley checks in at 5’11”, 222 pounds. Consider, the previous record holder, defensive tackle Anthony Zettel, has a full 5 inches and more than 60 pounds on the new owner.

Post by Untouchable on Mar 21, 2017 11:14:50 GMT -5

I'm a huge fan of Awuzia from Colorado. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he gets anywhere near the second round. Pass on any of these CBs at 6 this year. I'm taking Adams there over ANY corner in this draft.

The real question is, would you take a Malik Hooker over any CB in the draft?

Don't think Adams makes it that far

In all likelihood he goes either #3 or #4 to Chicago or Jacksonville. If he goes #3, I think the Jags take Fournette and pair him with Ivory and Yeldon. They've already sunk big money into their defense (especially DL) over the last 2-3 years and with no OL worth a Top 5 pick, they try to alleviate some of the pressure from Bortles' shoulders.

This is why I'm starting to become all about Howard at #6. Legit playmaker who can be a rock at the TE position for a decade and can play in a traditional inline role or split out wide.

Since I see no way either Garrett or Adams is on the board at #6, I say grab a young offensive weapon to build around in the 1st round (Fournette/Howard/Williams) and look to build up the defense from primarily the 3rd round and on in a stacked defensive class.

Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 21, 2017 12:00:21 GMT -5

I'm a huge fan of Awuzia from Colorado. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he gets anywhere near the second round. Pass on any of these CBs at 6 this year. I'm taking Adams there over ANY corner in this draft.

The real question is, would you take a Malik Hooker over any CB in the draft?

Don't think Adams makes it that far

In all likelihood he goes either #3 or #4 to Chicago or Jacksonville. If he goes #3, I think the Jags take Fournette and pair him with Ivory and Yeldon. They've already sunk big money into their defense (especially DL) over the last 2-3 years and with no OL worth a Top 5 pick, they try to alleviate some of the pressure from Bortles' shoulders.

This is why I'm starting to become all about Howard at #6. Legit playmaker who can be a rock at the TE position for a decade and can play in a traditional inline role or split out wide.

Since I see no way either Garrett or Adams is on the board at #6, I say grab a young offensive weapon to build around in the 1st round (Fournette/Howard/Williams) and look to build up the defense from primarily the 3rd round and on in a stacked defensive class.

Agreed. With Hookers injury situation, it pushed Adams up a fraction and probably not an option at 6. You have to really look at Hookers injuries and see what's going on there.

Gun to my head, if it's Hooker or ANY of the CBs available, I probably go Hooker if he checks out medically. I'm always of the belief that a great safety is more valuable than a great corner. Between Hooker and Howard, that's a tough one. I probably lean Howard because the Jets will be bringing along a young QB in the coming seasons and a huge versatile TE like Howard can be his best friend. Sure it may be a little high for him at 6, but you have to take someone there if you can't trade back.

Post by Paradis on Apr 15, 2017 10:43:45 GMT -5

I just watched every drop of Lattimore tape i could find while finishing my CB rankings....

Fool's gold.

I kept it in there because i have to respect his feet/hips and sticky coverage... but he screams one-trick pony. I think there's major of risk of him being exposed in the NFL for a soft corner who can't follow receivers but nothing else... aka the "bad revis"

Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 15, 2017 13:42:02 GMT -5

I just watched every drop of Lattimore tape i could find while finishing my CB rankings....

Fool's gold.

I kept it in there because i have to respect his feet/hips and sticky coverage... but he screams one-trick pony. I think there's major of risk of him being exposed in the NFL for a soft corner who can't follow receivers but nothing else... aka the "bad revis"

I actually went back and watched him today too, but came away more impressed than before. His coverage is excellent and his hips and back peddle are smooth. I also thought he was a willing tackler and mixed it up a few times. It's his injuries that really scare me.

A lot of the top CBs in this class are poor tacklers or allergic to contact. Another player that I rewatched today was Quincy Wilson. I use to LOVE him, but I'm souring on him. He's got great size, and good speed, but he plays soft. He doesn't fight off blocks, is an abysmal tackler, and doesn't pursue the ball carrier. He just kind of coasts on the field. His hips are also a little stiff. I need to watch more, but it's not looking good.

Post by Paradis on Apr 15, 2017 13:50:21 GMT -5

I just watched every drop of Lattimore tape i could find while finishing my CB rankings....

Fool's gold.

I kept it in there because i have to respect his feet/hips and sticky coverage... but he screams one-trick pony. I think there's major of risk of him being exposed in the NFL for a soft corner who can't follow receivers but nothing else... aka the "bad revis"

I actually went back and watched him today too, but came away more impressed than before. His coverage is excellent and his hips and back peddle are smooth. I also thought he was a willing tackler and mixed it up a few times. It's his injuries that really scare me.

A lot of the top CBs in this class are poor tacklers or allergic to contact. Another player that I rewatched today was Quincy Wilson. I use to LOVE him, but I'm souring on him. He's got great size, and good speed, but he plays soft. He doesn't fight off blocks, is an abysmal tackler, and doesn't pursue the ball carrier. He just kind of coasts on the field. His hips are also a little stiff. I need to watch more, but it's not looking good.

RE: Lattimore,

His feet/hips and ability to flip/change direction and adjust speed is A+ and obviously the reason why he's so highly regarded... but college QBs don't have the same ability to test coverage with ball placement/location etc. I don't think Lattimore got pushed/tested often enough. QBs looked his way, see tight coverage and went elsewhere. Outside of the OU game, he wasn't lock tight on deep balls. On top of that, he the worst corner i can remember for getting off blocks. You take him out of the play with a 3rd stringer out wide and run bubble/screens all day out there. I don't know... there's things about his game that worry me. Too much perimeter, too much finesse.. The antithesis to Humphrey. Not saying he's a bust, but over drafted.

Wilson -- i get the concerns. I see them too... but he's so athletic, such a long strider that he can be anywhere in a flash. He plays the ball well, and looks instinctive to me. Cro had issues that he made up for in similar fashion.

Post by Paradis on Apr 15, 2017 17:20:45 GMT -5

I just watched every drop of Lattimore tape i could find while finishing my CB rankings....

Fool's gold.

I kept it in there because i have to respect his feet/hips and sticky coverage... but he screams one-trick pony. I think there's major of risk of him being exposed in the NFL for a soft corner who can't follow receivers but nothing else... aka the "bad revis"

I actually went back and watched him today too, but came away more impressed than before. His coverage is excellent and his hips and back peddle are smooth. I also thought he was a willing tackler and mixed it up a few times. It's his injuries that really scare me.

A lot of the top CBs in this class are poor tacklers or allergic to contact. Another player that I rewatched today was Quincy Wilson. I use to LOVE him, but I'm souring on him. He's got great size, and good speed, but he plays soft. He doesn't fight off blocks, is an abysmal tackler, and doesn't pursue the ball carrier. He just kind of coasts on the field. His hips are also a little stiff. I need to watch more, but it's not looking good.

Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 15, 2017 17:26:43 GMT -5

I'm honestly overhauling them right now. I'll have an answer later tonight/tomorrow. I still think this is a strong CB class, but the top guys look like 1Bs, and then a ton of #2 CBs and guys that will make great nickels.