Female Infidelity Red Flags

The corn&porn arm of the MSM is catching up with CH teachings. A woman has written an article about female infidelity warning signs, (supposedly culled from women who have cheated on their partners), and the information sounds suspiciously similar to earlier Chateau Heartiste red flags for women who are high infidelity risks. For instance:

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 1: She accuses her man of cheating. This common sign is an attempt to divert the guilt away from herself, and to project her dishonest behavior onto her partner.

She undertakes beautification projects. [A] girl who suddenly begins an exercise program or wearing carefully applied makeup or buying new sexy cocktail dresses is prepping herself for a return to the market.

A woman is honed like a machine to be a first responder to relationship crisis. She uses her intuition to pick out subtle nicks in the relationship armor that could grow to chasms if left untended. […] Women therefore have evolved an exquisite sense for sniffing out warning signs that a man is losing interest, or that his love, and hence his commitment, is cooling. Women therefore have evolved an exquisite sense for sniffing out warning signs that a man is losing interest, or that his love, and hence his commitment, is cooling.

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 5: She has a new BFF her partner has never met. For starters, this new “friend” may not even be a girl at all. The friend could also be a single gal pal looking for a wing woman… and sometimes a woman is all too eager to go along for the ride.

She has a lot of slutty friends. Ye shall know her by her support group.

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 6: She changes her plans… at midnight. If she consistently ends up staying out all night, then it’s time to question her loyalty.

CH:

This red flag is so obvious — hey, my girlfriend/wife is out again at midnight without me! — that I don’t need to dig through the CH archives to find a record of this blog stating the same thing.

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 7: Someone else thinks she’s cheating. “I knew someone who had firsthand knowledge my girlfriend was cheating,” Mark says. “But I believed her when she said it was a lie, because nobody wants to believe the worst, no matter how obvious it may be.”

CH:

This is a milder version of catching her in flagrante delicto, *when it’s from a third party*. But there’s the rub. Many of your girlfriend’s or wife’s friends will not be your friends. If you hear something that suggests your wife’s infidelity from an oblivious sidewalk grocer, you should take the accusation seriously. If you hear it from her BFF who secretly hates you (or loves you), default to skepticism.

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 8: She has a sudden increased interest in her partner’s whereabouts. A woman carrying on an affair needs to cover her bases. If she starts wanting to know her man’s plans for the day, especially when she’s supposedly at work or otherwise busy, then she could be making plans of her own.

CH:

This is pretty good advice for an MSM fem entity, but its accuracy as a warning sign depends a great deal on who’s downlow-ing whom. A wife will show increased interest in her spouse’s whereabouts if she suspects *him* of cheating, too. So if you are a faithful dude, and your wife is suddenly asking a lot of questions about your schedule while sounding like she’s pretending to ask in a spontaneous manner, as if it “just popped into her head”, then you may have something to worry about.

[W]e now know the number one dead giveaway that your wife or girlfriend is about to cheat on you:

Is she withdrawing sex during days 10-16 of her monthly cycle? Then you, my friend, are about to be betrayed.

If you hear from your woman “I have a headache” any time during her peak fertility, she has either cheated on you, is thinking about cheating on you, or is getting sufficiently turned off by your burgeoning betaness that cheating will soon become an option in the calculation of her moral universe.

MSM fem entity:

Sign No. 10: She’s checked out. If another man is meeting a woman’s emotional needs, then she will lose her enthusiasm in her current relationship, even when it comes to things like arguing.

[M]en are capable of fucking more than one woman concurrently without losing that loving feeling for any one of them. Women, in contrast, tend to have to fall out of love with their man before they can comfortably move on to fucking another man.

So, did this MSM fem entity plagiarize CH, or is it just a coincidence that there happens to exist in the world a woman who can speak as truthfully as the lordship of Chateau Heartiste?

Ps You have to love the spate of articles in recent years about cheating women. Is this a subject that would have been broached so explicitly in any putatively mainstream outlet fifty years ago? Either the culture has become less queasy about parading in print the true nature of women, or more women are cheating and the need to discuss the topic has reached critical mass, or both. Whatever the reason for the trend, it doesn’t do much for American women’s marriageability.

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1. cum dripping off her chinz when she comes home
2. salty spermy taste when you kisszz her goodkngithz
3. cum in her butthozlzoez even thoug you don’t buttext
4. cumz in betweneneh her eyez when she getsz homez
5. a cock in her butthole taht is not yourz
6. you come home and she has her legnz spread and tehre is another dude ther eyou have never seen–most like ly she is cheatizngz
7. she is texting texting during dinner and after dinner she needz space to think about thingz
8. a womenz saying “i need space” meansz “i am having the space between my legz filled by another guy, so i am going to need that space beteween my legz for him zlozlzlzozoz”
9. twnety used conomdomdnz beside your bed when you get homez from a business trip
10. her legz wide spreadz wide and she is bentz over on the DVD you popped in and dat dude in teh movie is not you zlzozozlzlzooz

i am no sherclcok but if any of tehse thingz hahppeen to u, your womenz might just be cheatingz? kzozozozlzoz

Sign #2 is a little unfair, and in my opinion should only be considered a red flag when it presents in conglomeration with a number of other signs. After all, what advice has CH given, time and again, to women who wish to keep their man’s interest? 1: If you need to lose weight, do it, sooner rather than later; 2: If you’re not fat per se but kind of flabby, tone up, sooner rather than later; 3: Doll yourself up a little.

So it’s a little damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t, I think.

Personally, I’ve frequently gotten on little self-improvement kicks while I was within a relationship, and all it meant was: “Gee, these pants are getting tight, and I think it’s time I cut back on the desserts.” Or, “Oooh, my friend just gave me a 100-color eyeshadow palette for my birthday, I’m going to fool around and see if I can give myself a credible smoky eye.”

Also, I’m friends with a few sluts. They always know where the parties are at, and they’re usually banging some promoter so you can get the hook up. I always just took my husband and we enjoyed the free booze.

Nice sluts, in my experience, make good friends for married/taken girls because you don’t pose competition and your stability makes for a good shoulder for her to cry on. In return you get go out to cool places you otherwise wouldn’t have been invited to.

Man poachers are a different story though. The trick is to differentiate between a good natured slut and a mean girl.

Could be. The ladies here (MIA), despite it being a party town, are strangely proper. It’s not like DC or NYC where being a slut is a good thing, you keep it on the DL. It’s a weird Hispanic culture thing…being a slut is still seen as dirty and white trash.

Man poachers get deeply ostracized too, we had one and she was cut off- I don’t know any groups of girls that will befriend her now. Reputation still matters here. This is not a feminist town, which I suspect has much nastier females.

We’re pretty much done with the party scene though, it was fun while it lasted, but it does get old after a while. And all that shitty art and music….lol.

I think it depends on the woman and the amount of motivation she is putting into it. I know some women who really have maintain their figures well over time, and I don’t think they are cheating on their husbands. However, in these cases, these women have always been body conscious, and their husbands are also in good shape.
If a woman, who has never been overly body conscious, is suddenly working out all the time and never eating any high calorie foods you know she likes, chances are she’s planning on being naked with another man.

By and large (heh) most women in relationships tend to let themselves go. The exceptions you’re discussing may not fit the pattern described in this article, but a hefty (on fire today) percentage of women fitting sign #2 probably end up fitting a few others as well.

A friend of mine has finally found her motivation to lose weight. The reason? Her ex-husband’s overweight girlfriend is losing weight. Hey, whatever it takes, I say. She is very stylish and has a beautiful face/hair. Its going to really make a difference for her, I think.

i said ‘look your best’, not ‘look good’. you may look good, but if you’re not at your best, your hamster is saying ‘this is good enough…..for him, for now’.

this is less of a reflection on you than it is on your man. if his value has fallen a bit, if he’s stagnated personally, physically, or professionally, then you won’t feel as if you need to work as hard or look as good to remain in his favor. so you’ll let yourself go a bit…until the day a higher value man crosses your path. then it’s ‘back to college weight’.

the ostensibly high value woman of a high value man who is constantly improving himself will feel compelled to keep herself at her best, or risk being tossed aside for a different woman. competition anxiety breeds excellence.

‘comfortable’ is hamsterspeak for ‘boring’. i bet the readers here can guess what bored girls do.

this doesn’t negate what holden caulfield said above. most girls do tend to let themselves go in relationships, because most men are beta, or tend to become more beta as the relationship progresses.

“Your best” is open to interpretation though….it is important to look your best within reason, but I doubt most people look their very best, as in putting 100% max effort into their appearance. I’m splitting hairs, but there’s ALWAYS room for improvement.

Actually I think it’s not only plagiarism, but planned plagiarism calculated to increase the range of audience they can touch. How many people actually come to Heartiste for advice? Then they can give deceived advice just enough to keep people thinking they’re caring for men but at the same time keeping the status quo. Rome left conquered cities keep their traditions and faith while sending their taxes to Cesar instead of their own rulers now removed from power.

Sounds paranoid, but remember that most actual conspiracies were not really all planned at once from the start. Instead they share the natural sequence of events that every group who is trying to control something go through; just in a bigger scale. Because they can.

“Previous research has shown that marital status, income or employment play as a big role in infidelity, but we found they weren’t as important as other characteristics, such as sexual excitability and unhappiness in relationships,” she said.

She is Susan Heitler, a clinical psychologist in Denver and co-founder of a couples web site called Power of Two.

An effeminate civilization is a dying ex-civilization, especially following imperial ‘success’ at acquiring luxuries at the expense of others. Happened to the Persian Empire, the Roman Empire, and now the US empire built by our only current Founding Father Abe Lincoln. Fat gastronomes, dutiful epicureans, these are what social collapses are made of.

Americans right now are on the beta-izing progress. you see the ties [fat = beta]. there it is: feminism growing them up like faggots. thats what happened to the democratic countries {you give them a little, they(females) get corrupt, invent a pile of shit that is no benefit for the society}

More women are cheating these days. As much or more than men, now. What do expect when society promotes things to women like sex-positivity, you go girl, you are special, always follow your heart, you deserve whatever you want, and women are always right?

It has created not just narcissism, but a Machiavellian attitude in the minds of many women. Women are capable of reason and accountability, but society has made it so they aren’t actually expected to follow these traits of maturity.

Which is why I cant tolerate dating any particular woman longer than a few months at best before kicking them to the curb. I’m probably only contributing to the problem rather than making them adjust their attitudes but I don’t have the time or energy for any of that nonsense.

Or, if you get sick of the I-am-‘Ho-hear-me-roar! empowerment, here’s an even better one… emotional affairs lead to hot dickin’ affairs and stolen spouses for the man who get emotional intimacy with a vulnerable woman going– tells you how it happens so you can stop it, of course 😉

Back in my more beta days I was dating a woman and wanted to marry her. I loved her and thought I was happy. Was planning on proposing to her and then I got the idea that maybe I should wait and double check. So a phone call to a private detective and two weeks later I had evidence and no girlfriend. For some reason I really liked this woman and let her live with me for 8 more months virtually rent free. Eventually moved out and shut off the power/phone/heat/water and the bitch still took 6 weeks to move out. Turns out she couldnt get into a place and had to stay at a hotel. Funny that none of the other guys she was banging wouldnt help her move. That is when I learned that a guy cant be too mean to women. A big tell is when you discuss future plans and they dont commit to anything or are very vague. Just partying in general is a tell, women who are happy and content dont feel like they are missing out on the action. Another tell is irresoponsibility in other areas of life. When GBFM preaches about the bernakeification of women he is spot on, women who are loose with money or have lots of debt should never be trusted.

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via massive amoaauznt
of butetehxtual docucheocock
and immene buttoccking stsudnet debeetz z.zozllzlzoz

Interestingly, in financial terms, alpha is “the return in excess of the compensation for the risk borne, and thus commonly used to assess active managers’ performances” (thanks wikipedia)(i.e. a measure of how much better someone does than would be predicted by the averages) and beta is the correlated volatility of the asset with respect to the overall market. Low beta means low volatility, i.e. being just like everybody else.

I thought the parallels interesting and trust they’re not lost, particularly in the context of a bernankified female cohort.

I follow a forum for married men trying to employ Game principles to improve their marriages. OFTEN when the man starts getting in shape and dressing better (pretty much step 1), the wife will say she’s afraid he’s cheating or about to cheat. Talk about projection! It doesn’t even occur to a married woman that her husband would make himself more attractive for her.

“In my yard, the Shooter told his story about joining the Navy at nineteen, after a girl broke his heart.”

First, enlisted guys, Navy SEAL or not, are generally beta at heart and have more in common with anti-social school shooters than slicksters like Bill Clinton, the cowardly draft dodger, who will eat their lunches and their wives. Their lives are worthless, their job is to die.

Second, Neil Armstrong probably planted a bunch more flags than the one he planted on the moon. Dude was a test pilot and I’m sure he took full advantage of his fame and tested a whole lot of ass and his wife finally couldn’t take it any more.

Agreed — but wouldn’t it make sense that a Navy SEAL is about as independent as a person can be within the military? I get that they’re still within a chain of command, but the point of their extensive training is because they’ve proven themselves the most capable individuals (e.g. alpha).

Men in special operations tend to be the sort, I believe, that you’d be more likely to find on some ancient Germanic battlefield than in today’s corporate military. They’re the guys who want out of the beta morass that’s the regular forces, and actually fight the hard war in a meaningful way. Thwack’s right about the regular side of the house. SOCOM’s it’s own little, much better, world.

No. They have to obey the orders as soon as they leave commander’s mouth. And that kills your confidance. Plus you don’t decide about yourself in the military, and depend on will of your commander, like you’re some kind of minor. He’s basically holding you by the balls. You can’t do what you want, but always what somebody above you want, and you always have to think will your commander be satisfied with it.

That’s why they are beta. To be what they are today they had to pass a lot of betaisizing shit and it has to be so – that’s exactly why these betas always crush any given alpha insurgent- because of chain of command and discipline.
There is one alpha directing all these betas who have been trained how to switch their alpha mojo on and off. It’s on only when fighting, it’s off most of the time when out of combat – my opinion is that they wiew it as immoral, and allowed to be used only on those bad guys.

That’s one side of the coin, cynthia, but the other is the beta piety these guys display, in their willingness to die in foreign sand pits for liberal freedom and universal democracy, while their wives and girlfriends get what-fored by random douchebags at home. It’s a mixed bag with these guys.

That’s because jerk-ass decided to get out at 16 years (because it was so “dangerous” for him and his family after cappin’ Bin Laden) instead of staying (even in a shitty, un-Rambo job) to complete 20 and earn a pension, retiree medical, etc. His. Entire. Choice.

That’s not feminism, that’s a fucked-up military bureaucracy that hasn’t changed or adapted to modern culture in 60+ years. Retirement is dependent on serving 20 or more years on active duty – if you get out a month before your twenty year mark, you get nothing, no matter what you’ve done. Tricare (the military health care system) is fucking horrible anyway – even if he was able to secure benefits, it’s iffy at best. Even if this guys’ superiors wanted to do something for him, there are no mechanisms in the system that would permit it. It’s fucking shameful, I agree, but it’s not a product of anything other than government incompetence.

(and aren’t he and his wife still married? Plenty of military guys miss years and years of their children’s lives these days, or come back from deployment to an empty house and divorce papers. He’s actually fortunate he married a woman who didn’t do that to him.)

“Edward Gibbon wrote of her that the “influence of two sister prostitutes, Marozia and Theodora was founded on their wealth and beauty, their political and amorous intrigues: the most strenuous of their lovers were rewarded with the Roman tiara, and their reign may have suggested to darker ages the fable of a female pope. The bastard son, the grandson, the great grandson, and two great great grandsons of Marozia — a rare genealogy — were seated in the Chair of St. Peter.” Pope John XIII was her nephew, the offspring of her younger sister Theodora. From this description, the term “pornocracy” has become associated with the effective rule in Rome of Theodora and her daughter Marozia through male surrogates.”

Yep! I get the thinking behind it. It’s just that racism by blacks against whites has increased since Obama is president, so the last thing we need is another black figurehead to embolden blacks more. A Hispanic Pope wouldn’t bother me as much.

Otherwise, this Pope was great, especially his stance on homosexuality. I hate to see someone who isn’t a crusader against it.

It’s just that racism by blacks against whites has increased since Obama is president, so the last thing we need is another black figurehead to embolden blacks more. A Hispanic Pope wouldn’t bother me as much.

Okay, I realize that you’re a chick and all, but at least TRY to put on your thinking cap.

If elevating an orangutan to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue emboldened its fellow orangutans, then do you suppose maybe-just-possibly-however-unlikely-it-might-seem that elevating an armadillo to the Holy See could embolden its fellow armadillos?

What if they install an armadillo and it starts pushing Liberation Theology?

We’ve already got neo-Mayan armadillo-sacrifice [via beheading] throughout Mexico and there are now signs that it’s spreading to the border states of the USA.

“We’ve already got neo-Mayan armadillo-sacrifice [via beheading] throughout Mexico and there are now signs that it’s spreading to the border states of the USA.”

I know, it’s terrible what these Hispanic gangs are doing. Unfortunately, millions of their kind might get amnesty soon if Obama has his way.

And no, I wouldn’t ever vote a Hispanic for president, why? Because at best he’ll be very partial to more Hispanic immigration (like Marco Rubio), and at worst he’ll push Liberation Theology, as do so many Mexican Hispanics representative from California. Jason should know this since he’s from California. Like most liberals, he doesn’t pay attention to their rhetoric. People should take them seriously. These are not empty words they spew. If Hispanics get more power in this country, we might lose territory. The democrats are supporting La Raza, which is pushing for the US to return territory to Mexico, and the rest of the US to be taken over by Hispanics. It’s bad enough we have Sotomayor in the Supreme Court lowering its quality of logic and rationality with the rest of the bitches and liberals on there. Yuck!

But, a Hispanic pope, a man of God, is not going to preach La Raza bullshit, as most religious Hispanic are really devout and conservative. In contrast, an African Pope is going to be a Marxist and hater of whites, just like they all are from Africa, in spite of Whites helping them achieve statehood and peace in many of their lands. Every Africa leader, be it a peace activist, a religious leader, a philosopher, a writer, a politician, or Barak Obama (who’s half African from his father) is a Marxist/whites hater/race baiter/thief. If you know of one African (from Africa, not one from the US) who isn’t, please tell me of his existence. And please, don’t tell me Nelson Mandela. The man is a Marxist racist piece of shit. And don’t tell me Desmond Tutu either. He’s another Marxist.

Jason, it’s subjective who is qualified. For instance, I don’t feel Obama is qualified to be president, and on top of it he and his wife are encouraging race wars. I’m horrified by the amount of racism directed by blacks toward whites. In fact, I felt it myself personally. Therefore, it is obvious that many blacks feel like they own the country just because one of them is president. I don’t think they know how to handle the great honor that one of them is the President, and they are ill abusing the perceived notion THEY are running the country. If anything, they should be on their best behavior during Barak Obama’s presidency. But they’re not. Quite the contrary.

I don’t approve of most blacks, but there are some I do. So my issue is not that I don’t want to see a black man as president, I just don’t want to see another liberal half-Marxist authoritarian race baiter get into position of power, and that goes for any other race too, even white.

– That Blacks have become more racist against whites since Obama became president and he is encouraging it with his rhetoric?

– That there is more black on white crime after Obama become president?

– That blacks are so emboldened by Obama’s presidency they think they own the country, and as a result are committing more crime and behaving in a racist manner?

– That most black leaders in this country have communist leanings?

– That the Congress is filled with lefty men, women, Blacks, and other minorities running the show and the country to the ground, sinking it into a lefty abyss from which there is no return?

No, we don’t need another Black anything anywhere, unless he has a conservative viewpoint.

I don’t like Obama, but here is a Black man I like, Dr. Benjamin Carson. Did you hear about him? If all Blacks were like him, you wouldn’t hear any criticism from me. Please, watch his speech in the following link. You will be mesmerized.

“Dr Carson Gives Obama a history lesson and explains the war of 1812, then informs President Obama about what the American Flag Stands for, Dr Carson is a True American Hero!!!

One of the more unique speeches delivered at this morning’s National Prayer Breakfast came from Dr. Benjamin S. Carson, a world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital. Taking the stage before President Barack Obama’s faith-filled address, Carson spoke for more than 25 minutes, tackling issues ranging from education to personal responsibility. His keynote, while predicated upon the theme of Jesus Christ as his ultimate role model, also took a starkly political tone, advocating against some of the very policies the president has implemented. At the beginning of his speech, Carson shared an intense disdain for political correctness. Without getting too specific on the issue front, he said that Americans should stop being afraid to speak up and defend their beliefs; he also encouraged people to respect the individuals they disagree with. Carson held little back, condemning political correctness as “a horrible thing” that is “dangerous,” as it hampers freedom of thought and expression.

“We’ve reached a point where people are actually afraid to talk about what they want to say, because somebody might be offended,” Carson said, noting the example of people refraining from saying “Merry Christmas.” “We’ve got to get over this sensitivity and it keeps people from saying what they really believe.” Carson encouraged discussion about societal issues, also pointing out education as an essential conundrum the country needs to confront. He highlighted his own path from poverty to success, sharing very personal details about his parents and early family life and subsequently described the importance of helping students seeking to advance academically through his Carson Scholars Fund.

The speech took an interesting turn when the doctor cautioned that moral decay and fiscal irresponsibility can have dire consequences — even for powerful countries like America. Here, he became even more pointed and impassioned.

While he said America’s issues are dire, he was positive that the nation can fix its ways, as there are bright and innovative people who simply need to come together to address the problems at hand. “And one of our big problems right now…our deficit is a big problem,” he said, as Obama watched him intently. “Think about it — and our national debt — $16 and a half trillion dollars.” To illustrate just how massive the debt is, Carson told the audience that if they counted one number per second, it would take them 507,000 years to get to the sum total. The doctor said that the massive fiscal blunder is something that the nation must contend with. From there, he moved on to taxation, seemingly taking a stance in direct opposition to Obama’s.

“What about our taxation system — so complex there is no one that can possibly comply with every jot and tittle,” he noted, going on to call for a simpler (i.e. flat tax) system. “When I pick up my Bible, you know what I see — I see the fairest individual in the universe — God — and he’s given us a system. It’s called tithe.” Carson progressed, seemingly comparing the tithe, at least in principal, to the flat tax system. Rather than continuing to tier taxes owed, he argued that everyone should pay the same proportion and that, through this fairer system, money sent by wealthier Americans for protection abroad should be brought back to America to help build infrastructure and create additional jobs. The doctor also addressed medical care, advocating for health savings accounts and railing against the notion that Americans should be sending money into a large bureaucratic system.

Benjamin Solomon “Ben” Carson, Sr. is an American neurosurgeon and the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award in the United States, by President George W.”

dang lilly
that was pretty good i got chills at the end
””””’I don’t like Obama, but here is a Black man I like, Dr. Benjamin Carson. Did you hear about him? If all Blacks were like him, you wouldn’t hear any criticism from me. Please, watch his speech in the following link. You will be mesmerized.

A person’s T increases while holding a gun. Wasn’t there some CH wisdom about how guns create gina tingles? I’d place a bet on the idea that any sort of activity that increases T levels will also make a girl more receptive to game.

I vote coincidence, because most of what you say is just common sense. You say it well, but you haven’t said anything that was very shocking to me. Someone else with common sense(which I admit isn’t as common as it ought to be) may come to the same conclusions.

Weeks, a financial planner who also specializes in working with women who are divorcing, was well aware of the upcoming changes in the law – and she had two young boys whose interests she had to put first. When she brought up the issue of property and assets, her boyfriend was as breezy about it as she was serious.

This deserves its own post, maybe over at the Roosh Forum, where everyone can do the math and decide what is the better deal: living with a woman for two years and giving her “half of everything” or hiring hookers.

give me feedback on the always beon nicole from my chick
maybe she was only with me for the loot but then what the hell else is it for lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
what you think about it other than lack of sentance structure and punctuation

When a woman is in it for the money, she tries to shag as little as possible or get shagging over with quickly as possible. Remember, true whores don’t really like sex. They may be active in bed and try to please you, but they don’t move and angle like they’re really trying to get any pleasure out of it. They also tend to follow your initiation for same night repeats instead of asking for it (verbally or non verbally) themselves.

thanks yea we had somethin special i guess i did go a bit far on the testing but hey ya got to make em crack before ya can build em up the problem really was i couldn’t offer her the same as i could offer my first wife which was everything and the drug thing is so easy to get back on too much bagage i guess she always was down to fuck
she posted
“life has a way of fucking things up when you finally get to be happy”
yea i guess good thing when she took my phone my wife allread knew about her because that was first time she answered it he he he
honesty always the best policy and during this time after i switched the line to new phone nice to have the wife blowng up my phone

first wife did have it easier in some ways but she did spend 3 months in jail in kuwait to get home to wait for me so yea that was a big fucking descision she could of went back to her life but instead believed my word

this one went back to her life which is good in way cause if she had to go through what my wife had to go through the last year and half she wouldn’t of made it obviously

chick called me 9 times today she comin on strong talkin bout she love cleaning and knows my former chick but don’t tell her about her being here she don’t like drama and she know my chick like drama but then a little later wanted to know who sucks dick better
lolllzzzzzzzzzz
kept asking if my former chick was gonna show up at house and she was gonna have to fight not that she wouldn’t whoop her ass or some shit but didn’t want drama

Yeah this does deserve its own post..this is bad news for those in high rent/mortgage cities..and another kick when youre down..fucking rules made by swpls in govt trying to further beta-ize every male. There’s going to be alot of 1 3/4 year live together relationships in the future im sure.lol

That Weeks lady…profession: femcunt
“Weeks, a financial planner who also specializes in working with women who are divorcing, was well aware of the upcoming changes in the law – and she had two young boys whose interests she had to put first. ”

Pure hypergamy in action since she has lots of beta bucks from her ex and this guy was not doubt broke (and not alpha enuf):

“Her boyfriend didn’t share the same income; it wasn’t until they started talking about the implications of the upcoming changes for cohabiting couples that she learned he didn’t share the same dreams. “With us, it was fundamentally about values,” says Weeks.”

Canada is different from the US regarding palimony. We still don’t have palimony, while in Canada they have had it for over 15 years.

So if you live with a girl for 2 years in Canada, you’re going to be treated like a married couple. Canada’s laws are very progressive about sex. This is nothing new, though, just a rehashing of what they already sorta had.

If this becomes law in the US as well one day, it will be terrible because it make the individual submit to yet more laws, rules, and regulations that encroach into private/personal life. How much more meddling by the State can we take?

Some women might think it helps women, but in reality it only keeps them from taking more responsibility for their decisions and choices in life, thinking the State is there to protect them. It also discourages marriages, not the other way around. People cohabitating only connected by loose laws is not marriage. It only creates more sluttery.

“Some women might think it helps women, but in reality it only keeps them from taking more responsibility for their decisions and choices in life, thinking the State is there to protect them.”

Yes, those laws DO help women because anything that shields women from their responsibilities, choices, and decisions is a boon for American women (a.k.a. girls). See divorce laws, child support laws, welfare, Medicaid for pregnant women & kids, statutory rape laws, repeal of bastard laws, etc.

“Yes, those laws DO help women because anything that shields women from their responsibilities, choices, and decisions is a boon for American women (a.k.a. girls).”

OK, on the face of it you’re right, it does appear like this helps girls. However, in the long run it doesn’t help girls at all. All it does is it ensures girls whore themselves even more, ending up with no husbands and no satisfying relationships with men while turning more bitter and bitchy in the process. This is the worst of government intervention, pushed by feminists, I’m sure.

Imagine a typical girl growing up and maturing under this environment. By the time she is 40, she has had a few of these live-together relationships where she is getting different guys’ money for living with them, and maybe she also has a couple of kids, each from a different man. What does this scenario remind you of? Umm…..how about, Black women??? They have children from 4 or 5 different cocks and the government making sure these deadbeat cocks pay child support to the applicable bitch, or if deadbeats are out of sight or in hiding we end up footing the bill for their bastards. Is this really the way of whites? I doubt it. But feminists are doing everything in their power to make all women fall under this whoring loser lifestyle.

The best way for men to get back at the witchy feminists is pumping and dumping, or better yet, just unload the dead weight before the clock runs out –a few weeks short of the deadline. That’s poetic justice. Women should be able to assume responsibility for their actions and assume risk, just like men do. None of their behavior carries any risk because the law gives women special classification. If a woman lives with a man for a few years it should be her risk to assume. He might never propose marriage, and it’s a risk she has to take. The government shouldn’t remove part of this risk by making sure she gets some money for her time wasted on a guy who doesn’t want to marry her. She should do her due diligence and know this before she moves in with him. On the other hand, if the woman wants to minimize her risks she shouldn’t live with a man out of matrimony and thus not put herself in the position of getting hurt, used, and losing time. Every decision we make in life is a risk. Why is the government trying to alleviate it for women?

And what about the deadbeat woman who just moves in with a man so he supports her, thinking she has nothing to lose and when it’s over she just gets half of his net worth? These laws create so many moral hazards. That’s why I say the government and the courts need to stay out of marriages, divorces, child support and all kinds of family issues. But I digress. Anyhow, I don’t think any of these laws help women or society at large, even if in the short run it helps loser deadbeat women get a free ride, which means men need to be on guard who they get involved with. Know thy woman!

had a wife lol but ahh yea stopped actively aquring ho’s other than what she picked up for me

”””’woman

5. When she says , “ I had a great lunch today with Mr. XYZ”. You say , “ Sounds awesome. You now know how he is at lunch . You should find out very soon how he is in bed too.” She is used to having insecure little boys asking her to stay exclusive , so be the genuine opposite.
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the challenge was getting her exclusivity otherwise she would just be another ho and ahh yea not a challenge

”””’7. Never think you can ‘change’ her. You cant handcuff a whore with a diamond ring and make her a housewife.

Once a slut always a slut. If she rolled by ‘what he doesn’t know wont hurt him’ before marriage or had sex with multiple guys when you guys were on a “break” , then notwithstanding her proclamations of undying love- you will be Cuckolded. Most probably by a bull not very dissimilar to myself.
””””
another challenge changing the most fucked up evil bitch on the planet into a good girl

”””8. Treat her like the slut that she is in bed. She wants it.
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yea she does

”””9. Don’t judge her, badmouth her, call her names or hate her, when ( not if ) she sleeps with another dude . She has a place in the society. Your lap when you need a bang.””

yea at that point now but she a pad slut lol
she gonna be cheaper though than the lady that just came to my house to do an estimate on cleaning wanted 60 bucks to clean my house regularly fuck that
yea i called her what she is

””10. Last but not the least, maintain her. Even sluts don’t like a message saying “ Booty Call” after 2 months. Keep her on the leash with an occasional date or a 15 minute long phone call.”””
my experience with regular chicks is if you don’t give a fuck they will call you for the rest of their lives

Notice how the Vancouver Sun article has Facebook comments, which means nobody is willing to mention the word feminism and tell the truth about the new law granting women the assets of any man that decided to live with them for two years.

The feminists are begging for a world where the men they want most will refuse to ever give a woman a key.

Not fucked up..just incredibly beta..like all the scandinavian countries where a speeding ticket* is like around $550 and you complain to the men around you about it and they say “well, what made you think it was ok to speed anyway?”

My PUA version of these, based on experience, for not getting caught fucking taken/engaged/married chicks:

Sign 1) “She accuses her man of cheating.” Convince her her guy is probably cheating, and if she says he probaly is, don’t refute her belief. It’s bullshit, she’s just projecting so she can cheat with you guilt-free, but hey, roll with it. The fun will end when she starts feeling guilty, so let her hamster do its thing and enjoy.

Sign 2) “She starts dolling herself up.” Work around her schedule so her man is out of the house when she gets herself dolled up to come over, and/or make her get herself done up in the car before knocking on your door, or allow her to change/get-sexy in your bathroom before you fuck. Also make sure she brings a change of “normal/boring” clothes for after, because ideally the sexy stuff is going to be covered in fluids lol

Sign 3) “She tells her husband she needs space.” Encourage her to work things out with her husband, give her some relationship advice, encourage her to fuck him more so she has stories of how bad he is in bed to laugh with you about. She won’t find him as annoying and demand her space if she’s trying to work things out or he’s providing amusement for you and her.

Sign 4) “She drops hints that she’s not happy.” Find out what he’s not providing her, and provide it. If he’s a shitty lay, be a good lay. If he’s boring, give her emotional drama. If he’s too much drama, be chill and laid back and her break from that. Balance him out and she’ll be happy and won’t have reason to bitch to him about not being happy so he won’t suspect anything.

Sign 5) “She has a new BFF her partner has never met.” Put your name in her phone under a chick’s name, so when your txts pop up on her phone and her man happens to be nearby he just sees “Sarah” is txting. Also if she has an iphone make her turn off the “display a chunk of the txt when it’s received” option and ideally put a password on the phone if she hasn’t had one. Also have her delete your txts regularly, but remember they can be grabbed again via some snooping software even when they’re visibly deleted off the phone. For the love of god turn off her “Find My Friends” App if she has one on.

Also she’ll always have at least one friend who knows she’s slutting it up. This is usually her BFF from waaaay back, probably before she met her dude. Often that BFF will be cheating on her own man too. If you meet this BFF, charm her a bit and be completely non-judgemental so she feels like her friend’s relationship will be safe while she’s fucking you. But also be vague about exactly how often you hook up or what you guys do in the bedroom and don’t tell the BFF your full name or let her know where you live or what you do for a living or anything…use discretion, ’cause girls always fight eventually and if your chick and her BFF have a falling out over some stupid girl-drama shit down the road, you don’t want the BFF able to throw you guys under the bus with your girl’s husband and get yourself killed.

The tricky part is that if you hang around the BFF (like if you meet up on a drinking night with your girl, often she’ll be out with just her BFF), the BFF will want to fuck you, because you’re this amazing fantasy guy who’s non-judgemental and already knows a bunch of their dirty secrets and her friend has been talking up your bedroom prowess like crazy so naturally she’s attracted to you. But for your own safety, keep her at arm’s length incase shit blows up between them later. You could end up with TWO angry husbands coming after you lol

All her friends who AREN’T this super slutty BFF, act like you don’t even KNOW your girl. You are complete strangers. Feel free to eye-fuck her from across the room, she’ll get off on that, but don’t even talk to her in front of her other friends. Because those friends are going to be judgemental and will cause her guilty drama that’ll force her to throw you under the bus to avoid responsibility when one of those friends passes word on to her hubby.

Sign 6) “She changes her plans…at midnight” Work around her schedule so this doesn’t come up. Tell her to encourage her guy to go out for Boys Night with his buddies so she can come over and fuck you. Tell her to tell him she’s going to sleep at her BFFs place overnight etc. See her during the day, or during her lunch hour. Don’t get mad if she flakes, she has a million other factors to deal with that a single girl doesn’t that would justify the flaking. Just be cool and trust that she’ll figure out a way to come over and fuck you.

Sign 7) “Someone else thinks she’s cheating.” Don’t hang out with her in public. Don’t take her out to your favorite bar, you complete retard. lol The only time you can take her out in public (because drinking and grinding together can be fun) is if 1) her hubby is guaranteed out of town for the weekend or whatever, and 2) you go to a bar that you never ever go to and won’t know anyone there. Remember that even in THAT scenario, you have no idea if her hubby’s co-worker who saw her at their xmas party once happens to be out at that bar with his buddies and noticed her making out with you and is going to pass it on to him. It’s just not worth the risk.

One acceptable way to go out in public is to go with friends to wherever she is on her girls’ night out and pretend to be complete strangers, then rendezvous in the bathroom or up the street or around a corner or whatever…but that’s playing a risky-ass game.

Ideally stick to home. Ideally stick to a hotel if you can afford that lol And have her park up the street, not right in front of your place.

Sign 8) “She has a sudden increased interest in her partner’s whereabouts.” Again work around her schedule and understand she has to juggle a lot to make it happen. If you harass her too much to meet up and get too demanding or aren’t flexible enough in when you’re available to fuck her, she’ll have to start asking him questions about his plans that she didn’t used to, to try to cram you in. Trust that when she has a window of opportunity that their relationship normally has, she’ll use that to come fuck you. It might be short notice, it might be planned a month in advance and then change at the last minute…just go with the flow. Have other girls you can bang so you don’t get frustrated by her schedule.

Sign 9) “She gives excuses not to have sex.” Encourage her to fuck him. Joke about how bad it’ll be and act like you think it’s hot when she has stories for you. He’s only going to seem worse and worse in bed in her mind, and when you know what he’s doing that’s dissatisfying to her it gives you an idea of what you can do to her to rock her world and fulfill what she’s missing. Just make sure she showers before she comes over or tell her flat out “don’t come over if you’ve fucked him in the last 3 days.” if it bugs you enough.

Sign 10) “She’s checked out.” Don’t meet her emotional needs lol. The ideal situations is that she goes to him for gay boyfriend stuff like DVDs and cuddling and “emotional needs”, but she comes to you to get her brains fucked out. So don’t cuddle with her or let her sleep over or have breakfast with her or watch DVDs together or anything. Don’t txt about how her day is going. All your txts are sexual and flirty and based around either getting her to masturbate or getting her to come over and fuck you, and when she comes over it’s sex from the word “hello” and after you bang and the after-glow wears off, it’s time for her to get her “plain” clothes on, brush her hair, txt her hubby about how much fun dinner with her BFF was, and go.

Don’t be chastened by these one-trick runts of the litter, Lara. I’ve never seen so much repetitive verbiage in defense of a lifestyle. Like they have something to prove, like they’re trying to justify their onanistic smarminess to themselves. Like they’re blowing our minds how “evil” they are.

Whoopdy do, they get a slut to “cheat” on her half-committed/half-dreadful “boyfriend” or disinterested fiancé to a chubby bridezilla. Who cares? All’s fair in love and war. I am pro-adultery for reasons already stated in this mini-thread: if cheating is a possibility in her mind, and the very thought of it doesn’t send her into a panic attack, the man has to up his game or else it’s on him. We need more men with the skills to maneuver through female manipulations and the constitution to call feminist bluffs. If a man is cuckolded, he deserves it. Especially a married man.

But the constant rationalization from this Church of Latter Day Studs — and much worse, the high-fiving and back-slapping for bringing “happiness” and righteousness into these forlorn women’s lives — oh, just shut the fuck up about it. Two bodies plus alcohol rubbing one out on each other. It’s not a world-beating achievement, tools.

Worst of all: they presume they have something to teach us supposed naïfs who find their hard-won, new age platitudes risible when not outright boring. He’s not a “bratty little brother.” He’s a grown man convinced of the superiority of being a brat, and even more, an evangelist for the cause of widespread bratitude.

Key evidence: when you call a twerp a twerp, they are convinced you’re envious. It’s the only possible explanation! Therefore, below YaReally makes the assumption that you can’t possibly be attractive because you don’t display yourself in a velvet-roped cattle-pen on the way to the slaughter. You don’t because you can’t, rather than you won’t because you can or already have done. It’s all simple arithmetic to a mind that cannot conceive of calculus. It’s little bro stealing your razor to shave his month-growth of wispy facial fuzz, and thinking he’s a man now.

@jason. why not add gasoline? i’ve said it before (and i know it is deeply unpopular here given the sheer number of tradcons lurking and posting), but if your girl is running around on you, YOU are the one to blame. not me. not yareally. real talk: if you have proper hand and control of your girl, she will not WANT to cheat. and, if she does want to cheat, then kick her ass out of your house/life forthwith and go find someone else to spend time with. with all due respect to yareally, if i’m doing my job right, i would bet my life’s earnings that he couldn’t game any of my “serious” girls into bed. don’t get me wrong. sometimes chicks get bored or scared or impatient or whatever and move on when you do what we do. but, it is your JOB as a man not to give a shit about that. dig deep. are you an outcome independent, aloof master of the universe for real or not? is it just something you say to sound cool in the “manosphere” (btw, maybe the gayest fucking word on the planet) or do you really believe it deep down in your innards? this whole notion that you DESERVE anything for just showing up or “doing your part” is deeply feminine.

Oh, I agree with everything you said. I internalized outcome independence, amused mastery, and all that a long time ago — even before I stumbled upon the “manosphere”.

My wife knows, deep down, there’s NO mucking around. She’s seen me mercilessly eighty-six other people out of my life, and she knows that I’d do it to her. (It also helps that she’s a terrible liar, which we laugh about, but is actually a great quality in a wife.)

My point was simple: For those millions of men who DON’T know how to keep a strong frame, and therefore their wives’ respect, there’s no point in anybody else accelerating the demise. It’s somebody’s else’s marriage, you know? It shouldn’t affect you.

I seriously couldn’t sleep at night, doing what YaReally’s doing. His little hamster can spin as madly as it wants (see his long response downthread), but in the end he’s still trying to rationalize his sociopathic actions just as badly as the types of women that we make fun of here.

“For those millions of men who DON’T know how to keep a strong frame, and therefore their wives’ respect, there’s no point in anybody else accelerating the demise.”

What if the demise of that marriage meant that both people found someone better for them?

What if her hooking up with me convinces her to work it out with him and they live happily ever after?

What if they break up right away, before they have kids involved and they don’t end up having to raise kids in an abusive household full of mistrust and pain because she ends up cheating with him down the road anyway?

Shades of grey.

“in the end he’s still trying to rationalize his sociopathic actions”

I simply don’t put any worth/value on marriage, because I don’t believe monogamy is natural or healthy for most people. So while to you I’m shitting on something sacred that you’ve built a large part of your identity around, to me I’m just saying “nah, I don’t like pickles. shrug.”

You love your Football games. Your team is like your life-line, you grew up watching them and love the shit out of them and man, the pride you take in them is epic. And it’s Superbowl coming up!! Oh man! THE day of the YEAR!! And you haven’t changed your socks in weeks because it’s unlucky to change them during the Superbowl season!!

So you’re like “YaReally! Your socks!! You changed them!!” and I’m like “uh ya.” and you’re like “Well you have to change them back!! Don’t you understand?? My team might lose if you don’t!!” “that’s dumb. I’ll keep my socks, thanks.” “DUDE…it’s the SUPERBOWL!!!!!” “still don’t care.”

I just don’t put the value in it that you do, sorry. Like, enjoy your Superbowl, I hope your team wins and I hope you have a great time, but I’m going to change my socks.

You’re potentially doing REAL damage to marriages whose women can’t control their hypergamous instinct, or whose men are distracted or have gotten lazy. There are other ways for those marriages to change. Even if you don’t respect the institution, just leave it alone.

Better analogy: I may not care for religious services, but if I stumble inside a Baptist church, I’m not going to drop my pants and shit on the carpet just to spite them. That church means a lot to those worshippers. I’d just quietly leave.

Yeah, you’ve got mad seducer skills — ya, really — but If you can’t understand that boundary … then sociopath is the right word to describe you.

@jason. i don’t know if i follow what you’re driving at. your wife is a woman with some degree of hypergamous instinct deeply ingrained inside her being. that’s a given because she’s a woman. by definition, that means she’s constantly seeking to “trade-up” to best dude possible, right? as such, shouldn’t be “worrying” about being the topmothafuckindogandboss who sates said instinct rather worrying about the dudes who may fuck your wife? as i stated previously, if you’re doing your shit right, yareally’s dick, socks, shit, or whatever won’t even enter into your world. the truth is, if you’re constantly worrying – or even occasionally worrying – about your girl around other dicks with breathing machines attached, then you fucked up. you fucked up because you picked the wrong girl and/or because you ain’t been doing your job as topmothafuckindogandboss.

if you’re more broadly concerned about preserving marriage as an institution and lookin’ out for other dudes, i would ask, why? you can’t save the world. and maybe people need to learn hard lessons in order to improve. our world is way to fucking sanitized. saving people from themselves isn’t really saving them.

Not if you don’t find out, and if it doesn’t change her feelings about you in a negative way, and if we use condoms and she doesn’t catch any STDs/preggers, and if she doesn’t upset your schedule/routine with her at all. It’s the same as her going to the gym to sweat out some stress.

Sex is like wrestling, it’s just a physical activity that you can attach emotions to or not. Does wrestling with your gym buddy affect your relationship with your wife? No, because you’re rolling around getting sweaty together, but there’s no emotional attachment involved or anything.

Where’s the line? Does making out with her affect you? Holding hands with her? Talking to her? Making eye contact with her? Standing near her? Being in the same room as her? The lines you draw are arbitrary, different for every person/relationship, and not lines I concern myself with because I think you’re silly for having them in the first place.

Ideally they shouldn’t have gotten married. I’d be happy to see marriage abolished entirely. People aren’t built for monogamy and it makes no sense for men to get married in 2013.

“or whose men are distracted or have gotten lazy.”

Ideally men shouldn’t get distracted and lazy. Men should learn some basic game to prevent that. I’d love if it were impossible to seduce any of these taken women, that would be awesome because it would mean men were doing their job. But I deal with reality, not wishful thinking. The reality is, if I chat up 10 hot girls in a night, probably 8 of them are going to have some kind of relationship on the side and still be flirty and want to fuck me and I’ll have chemistry I like with a few of them, so hey.

“There are other ways for those marriages to change.”

And hopefully they try those other ways. But when she grinds up on me in a skirt wanting cock that night, and she’s just going to go grab some other guys’ cock if I don’t go for it, hey, fuck it. She’s the one breaking a commitment she agreed to.

“Even if you don’t respect the institution, just leave it alone.”

I don’t seek it out, I just don’t let it stop me if it’s there. If there were an abundance of hot single chicks out there, I’d bang them, and for the most part I prefer to, but if a chick comes along and we have chemistry and we turn eachother on and she happens to mention she’s married while she’s feeling up my dick with her ring-finger’ed hand, I don’t feel much guilt. Her relationship has issues as it is and my not sticking my dick in her isn’t going to fix whatever is fundamentally wrong with her relationship.

It’s not like I’m perusing the grocery aisle looking for girls shopping for a family and going “mwahaha time to stalk my prey and destroy some lives!!!” and swooping in and mind-controlling her into doing something she doesn’t want to do.

“I’m not going to drop my pants and shit on the carpet just to spite them.”

Bad analogy, unless you drop your pants and shit on carpets regularly, which would make you quite the house-guest lol

“If you can’t understand that boundary”

Okay, it’s important to me that you shave your head right now. Go do it. It means a lot to me, and even though you think it’s silly, if you don’t do it, you’re disrespecting my beliefs and are a sociopath because you can’t understand that boundary.

Take care of your woman and you don’t have to worry about her straying.

“the truth is, if you’re constantly worrying – or even occasionally worrying – about your girl around other dicks with breathing machines attached, then you fucked up. you fucked up because you picked the wrong girl and/or because you ain’t been doing your job as topmothafuckindogandboss.”

Yup. This.

“if you’re more broadly concerned about preserving marriage as an institution and lookin’ out for other dudes, i would ask, why?”

I would ask why he wants to preserve a system that routinely rapes men over in divorce court (50% divorce rate, 80% initiated by the woman, you all know the stats) and destroys men’s lives after trapping them into years of involuntary celibacy and guilt/shame, in a culture that supports a woman’s Eat, Pray, Love hypergamous instinct to fuck guys like me and make their husbands foot the bill for all the damages.

Seems to me the sooner that shit is eliminated, the better for men in general.

“But when she grinds up on me in a skirt wanting cock that night, and she’s just going to go grab some other guys’ cock if I don’t go for it, hey, fuck it.”

See, that’s exactly the crux of it. You could be better than you are. But because of your desire to grab more poon than the guy at the next stool — which is your way of proving your shaky sense of self-worth — you’re willing to potentially blow up some marriage about which you know NOTHING.

That’s a boundary line. There even actually used to be serious laws against crossing it.

Admittedly you’ve listed some hypothetical gray areas about cheating spouses. Still, if you really want to play the altruist, why don’t you just keep a wallet full of marriage counselor business cards? Hand her one, tell her she needs help, and head towards the single girls instead. I know you got lots of other options. You could, for the very first time, stop letting your dick talk for you.

Your head-shaving analogy doesn’t work. A sociopath has antisocial attitudes and lack of conscience. If you can’t or won’t understand that you’re potentially crushing some guy somewhere — whether he deserves it or not doesn’t matter — then that’s sociopathy. If you can’t or won’t understand that there *could be* childen involved, who are totally innocent, then that’s sociopathy.

No rationalizations, no ‘oh well I just don’t like pickles’ flippant remarks — it’s flatout sociopathy. But I sense that you could be better than that.

He has a point. In all my years of marriage I’ve never had a desirable man hit on me. It’s understood by married women if you want someone high quality, you are going to have to pursue him. He may or may not go for it. Men, with options, don’t need to bother with married women, even if they like them sometimes.

Attached women who don’t tend to fuck everything that moves are always susceptible to the dark triad “deep” guy who “understands them.” They are also imminently more erotic, channeling their emotions into it…doing things even their alpha husbands wouldn’t dream they were capable of.

You can’t get any lower drama. She saves the bad emotions for “hubby” and the sexual ones for you. She adores the fuck out of you, even after it’s over, because she only associates deeply erotic times with you.

she’ll throw you under the bus in the blink of an eye if she gets caught.

and drama from a girl is not the only possible source of drama. remember that when you have an angry husband or court system coming after you. in a world of false sexual assault and rape charges, even a black eye is but a trivial worry.

and even in your best case scenario, , efficiency still counts. Call me crazy for not wanting to save my name as “sarah” in a girl’s phone or all the other excessive planning.

YaReally’s advice is solid for its purpose, but at a certain point its not fully in your control. Remember chicks dig drama. Even the drama of getting caught.

You’re doing it wrong if she’d throw you under the bus. An angry husband with a gun is always a risk, but then I like risk, and am well-armed, and she will do anything to protect what she has found, so it’s low. I know she’d text me immediately if he leaves the house with a gun. When they do things like write you in as the main character of their first novel, that’s devotion.

I am certain the fallout would be terrible. That’s why I have rules/precautions to prevent the fallout.

It’s like I really WANT to believe the rich CEO who’s driving a Ferrari is miserable and sad and empty and can’t sleep at night and one day he’ll get his come-uppance for being rich…but in reality, he’ll probably do just fine and enjoy his life.

But it adds an unnecessary layer of potential drama. You’re her personal gain until her social status is threatened.

Most hot girls are at least “loosely” involved with some dude. But when you have abundance mentality, you can skip past the married/engaged chicks and go for the ones where the fallout from her particular brand of baggage is lighter.

If you’re not worried about being efficient with your time/energy and like a bit of risk then who cares. But in the same vain as avoiding chicks who have kids, at some point, custom tailoring your game for a girl’s special circumstances is too much of a hassle for the pussy when there’s hot girls who have much less drama and baggage.

Sure. So does getting a dog with a mouth that can bite you and a butt that can shit on your couch, compared to getting a fish. But if that potential drama is really not that big a deal in the longrun and you can prevent most of it, then hey, a dog is a fine pet.

“You’re her personal gain until her social status is threatened.”

Thus the rules I’ve laid out and the dozen more that I didn’t go over but follow myself. To create a situation where her social status ISN’T threatened. To prevent that potential drama you’re stressing.

“you can skip past the married/engaged chicks and go for the ones where the fallout from her particular brand of baggage is lighter.”

Okay, if we’re going to go that route, then which is more morally acceptable to fuck? A married woman who doesn’t love her husband, or a hot girl “loosely involved” with a dude she’s falling madly in love for?

At what point do you draw the line? What if the married chick’s husband beats her every night, and what if the loosely involved girl’s boyfriend rescues orphans from burning buildings every night?

Shades of grey.

“being efficient with your time/energy”

You keep bringing up efficiency. How exactly is a married chick that I don’t have to wine/dine, I don’t have to talk about her day, I don’t have to travel to meet up with, I don’t have to spend any money/resources on, I don’t have to take out for Valentine’s Day or remember her birthday or know what her job is or what her pet’s name is or listen to her bitching about how her sister is a jerk because or let her stay over for the night or weekend or blah blah blah not efficient?

I just shoot a few flirty txts, she figures out her schedule, and she comes over to fuck and then leaves.

“But in the same vain as avoiding chicks who have kids”

You just don’t meet the kids. Shrug. When she can get a babysitter, she comes over and fucks. Done. If she’s not available frequently enough, you just get other girls in your rotation so you have options.

“Sure. So does getting a dog with a mouth that can bite you and a butt that can shit on your couch, compared to getting a fish. But if that potential drama is really not that big a deal in the longrun and you can prevent most of it, then hey, a dog is a fine pet.”

what dog has more potential to bite you, a golden retriever or a pitbull? which would you rather own?

“Thus the rules I’ve laid out and the dozen more that I didn’t go over but follow myself. To create a situation where her social status ISN’T threatened. To prevent that potential drama you’re stressing.”

no matter how many rules you create, you are still relying on her ability to not fuck up and her man not to get too nosy.

“Okay, if we’re going to go that route, then which is more morally acceptable to fuck? A married woman who doesn’t love her husband, or a hot girl “loosely involved” with a dude she’s falling madly in love for?

At what point do you draw the line? What if the married chick’s husband beats her every night, and what if the loosely involved girl’s boyfriend rescues orphans from burning buildings every night?

Shades of grey.”

I never mentioned morality. Odd that you would play that card.

“You keep bringing up efficiency. How exactly is a married chick that I don’t have to wine/dine, I don’t have to talk about her day, I don’t have to travel to meet up with, I don’t have to spend any money/resources on, I don’t have to take out for Valentine’s Day or remember her birthday or know what her job is or what her pet’s name is or listen to her bitching about how her sister is a jerk because or let her stay over for the night or weekend or blah blah blah not efficient?

I just shoot a few flirty txts, she figures out her schedule, and she comes over to fuck and then leaves.”

you can do all that with a non married chick. the constant vigilance is inefficient.

“You just don’t meet the kids. Shrug. When she can get a babysitter, she comes over and fucks. Done. If she’s not available frequently enough, you just get other girls in your rotation so you have options.”

true enough for a fuck buddy set up. also making sure you have condom designed and packaged by NASA helps when you are banging a mom.

Go to a nightclub this weekend and chat up the 5 hottest girls there, the ones that turn every guys head when they walk in and are surrounded by rich good-looking dudes offering them limo rides and vacations in Paris all night long.

@yareally You think such a majority of hot girls are married or are in relationships so serious that they require sneaking around?

“I have a boyfriend” is just something girls say.

sure most every girl will be casually dating or have a few guys she’s texting. But the amount in a verbally stated committed monogomous relationship where real time and emotions have been invested? Far less will be found at the club than you are implying.

“You think such a majority of hot girls are married or are in relationships so serious that they require sneaking around?”

Even if she’s only been seeing him a week, she’ll sneak around on him, or at least be subtle about it. Do you think the girls that fuck me while they’re putting another guy through the “LTR test” of making him wait a month for sex while he takes her out on dates, are telling those guys “So I’m going to go suck YaReally’s dick tonight.”?

““I have a boyfriend” is just something girls say.”

Yup. How am I supposed to know whether it’s true or not? Lots of girls will fuck a guy (sometimes multiple times) and then not even mention they have a BF or husband.

“sure most every girl will be casually dating or have a few guys she’s texting.”

So what are you on about? Sure, I could go hunt out completely single girls and then quiz them on their dating history and poll their friends to make absolutely sure they aren’t seeing anyone else or have no feelings for anyone else, and hope that these girls are hot and fun and I have chemistry with them. I’m sure I would find a couple of those a year.

Or I can go for what I want and put the responsibility of whether they cheat or not in the hands of the woman who made the agreement not to cheat. You know, treating women like responsible adult human beings who can make their own choices in life.

Why are you trying to make me the babysitter of an entire gender? They are completely capable of deciding whether or not to break a commitment they’ve made.

“But the amount in a verbally stated committed monogomous relationship where real time and emotions have been invested? Far less will be found at the club than you are implying.”

I see you haven’t been to a club in a major city lately. Try it sometime, it’ll blow your mind.

Besides, here you’re just moving the goalposts around to wherever you arbitrarily feel. How many times do her and her guy have to have had sex before it’s bad to fuck her? Do they have to have held hands for a specific amount of time? Is it based on how much money they’ve spent on eachother? If they’re wearing a ring but just getting married out of convenience and not love, does that change it? If they have no ring on or a monogamous commitment but they’ve been monogamous with the guy for 10 years, does that change it?

If changing your game up based on the type of girl is inefficient, then why don’t you just fuck prostitutes? Then you don’t need to do any game playing at all. That’s the most efficient way of getting laid there is…how come you fuck normal girls when you have to go through all that hassle of honing your game specifically for that type of girl?

“Even if she’s only been seeing him a week, she’ll sneak around on him, or at least be subtle about it. Do you think the girls that fuck me while they’re putting another guy through the “LTR test” of making him wait a month for sex while he takes her out on dates, are telling those guys “So I’m going to go suck YaReally’s dick tonight.”?”

Now you’re moving goalposts. We were talking about girls already in serious, committed LTRs and marriages. Where getting caught cheating fucks her life and social status. There’s huge difference between “being subtle” in the first few weeks when both parties are clearly free to date other people, and following a set of rules to make sure true infidelity is not discovered because it might screw over your marriage of 4 years. A girl simply not mentioning to a potential suitor that she sucked a different dick that week is not in the same league as a girl’s boyfriend of 3 years seeing her phone vibrate with a sext message from a PUA.

“So what are you on about? Sure, I could go hunt out completely single girls and then quiz them on their dating history and poll their friends to make absolutely sure they aren’t seeing anyone else or have no feelings for anyone else, and hope that these girls are hot and fun and I have chemistry with them. I’m sure I would find a couple of those a year.”

false dichotomy. Its not either “completely single” or “requires a list of rules for sneaking around”. Girls who are dating around but have no committment might not be completely single, but they definitely don’t need to sneak around to prevent a dramabomb.

“Or I can go for what I want and put the responsibility of whether they cheat or not in the hands of the woman who made the agreement not to cheat. You know, treating women like responsible adult human beings who can make their own choices in life. Why are you trying to make me the babysitter of an entire gender? They are completely capable of deciding whether or not to break a commitment they’ve made.”

And? Girl can cheat if she wants I don’t give a fuck. I just prefer a drama free existence and would rather not be part of that tangled web. Why do you keep trying to imply I’m making some sort of morality judgement about cheating?

“I see you haven’t been to a club in a major city lately. Try it sometime, it’ll blow your mind.”

Lol alright bro. Where do you live? Because I can assure you NYC is NOT filled with taken girls. Try hitting up Meatpacking if you’re ever in the area, it is flush with hot single girls.

“Besides, here you’re just moving the goalposts around to wherever you arbitrarily feel. How many times do her and her guy have to have had sex before it’s bad to fuck her? Do they have to have held hands for a specific amount of time? Is it based on how much money they’ve spent on eachother? If they’re wearing a ring but just getting married out of convenience and not love, does that change it? If they have no ring on or a monogamous commitment but they’ve been monogamous with the guy for 10 years, does that change it?”

I think its pretty obvious that I am simply talking about girls who have given a man assurance of her fidelity.

“If changing your game up based on the type of girl is inefficient, then why don’t you just fuck prostitutes? Then you don’t need to do any game playing at all. That’s the most efficient way of getting laid there is…how come you fuck normal girls when you have to go through all that hassle of honing your game specifically for that type of girl?”

the slippery slope. I said efficiency counts. I didn’t say efficiency was all that mattered.

lol I do hear NYC has an awesome ratio of single career chicks to men and you can do a shit-ton of daygame in NYC because of the culture there, but NYC is the exception not the rule. Most guys are stuck hitting bars full of sausage and their daygame options involve a shitload of having to walk around looking for viable chicks all day.

If I lived in NYC, I’m sure I’d find a ton of single chicks to get with. Unfortunately, the rest of the country is chock-full of taken chicks.

“I just prefer a drama free existence”

Same. That’s why I have rules to avoid the drama. You keep making this into some huge hassle. My rules involve shit like “don’t be super demanding” and “don’t take her out in public” and “have her type 5 different letters than the ones in your actual name into her phone” and “don’t see her too often or she’ll fall in love”.

This isn’t some epic drama-filled 90210 love triangle going on. Generally the guys never have a clue anything is going on. I haven’t once had an angry husband banging on my door.

“Why do you keep trying to imply I’m making some sort of morality judgement about cheating?”

Because I don’t know wtf your point is lol Like, summarize it or something because it looks like you’re basically just saying “fucking girls with boyfriends is more drama than fucking girls without boyfriends” and all I’m saying is 1) it’s really not any guaranteed drama just like your pitbull isn’t guaranteed to bite your face off if you train it proper, and 2) if you’re not in an environment with an abundance of hot single chicks, you take what’s there. My current city is packed with girls in relationships so I’m not going to pass them up when the opportunity comes up.

So I don’t think we’re actually disagreeing, I think we just have different thresholds of what constitutes drama/effort, and you happen to be in a city with a much better ratio and singles culture than most of the rest of North America.

You’re basically sitting at a buffet saying “don’t eat the unhealthy food, stick to the vegetables” and I’m sitting at a McDonald’s going “uhh sure, I prefer to, but the menu isn’t exactly overflowing with vegetables here”. You’re saying “well good food is easier to digest” and I’m saying “a hamburger digests just fine it’s really not a big deal and I’m willing to risk the possible but not guaranteed McShits to not have to scrounge over the same limited choice of salad every day.”

“NYC has the highest single woman to single man ratio in the US. Manhattan, in particular is just overflowing with smart, beautiful and open-minded women and they’re all a short cab ride away. You have every social scene you could ever want on one island, and the city never sleeps. There’s always a club or bar going until at least 3-4AM seven nights a week. You throw on top of that the fact that Manhattan is the day game Mecca of the world AND the ease of transportation AND the amount of professional models walking around… you can’t top NYC. In fact, I have yet to find a city in the WORLD that tops NYC when it comes to quality of women, quantity of women, and ease of picking up. Truly a playground for any single man.”

lol I wish I lived in a city described like that. I actually visited NYC once and thought it was amazing. Didn’t get to hit up the party scene but I definitely want to go back someday to give it a go.

Duh. Let me dumb it down for ya.
When women read drama they don’t read it in the abstract. They actually put themselves at the centre and try to feel out the emotions.so while guys would scan this post for tools & strategies women would probably enjoy some emotional pornography.
Kinda like 50 shades of grey.
Plus you are a woman. Why would I listen to you about what turns you on.

“When women read drama they don’t read it in the abstract. They actually put themselves at the centre and try to feel out the emotions”

Correct! I’m not refuting this, stupid. What I’m refuting is the story line (the content) isn’t tantalizing enough. Pay attention to what I said: “Hearing the exploits of a cad how a pitiful unhappily married woman lies to her husband to meet up with him, isn’t pussy wettage make.” Do you get it now? Give me 50 shades action and I won’t criticize. YaReally’s exploits are not pussy tingle material. Why do I have to spoon feed so much here? 🙂

Unfortunately, hot girls almost always have boyfriends. They’re not always solid relationships like people picture because they compare their own relationship, what’s more common is a relationship where she’s thinking “well I hate spending Valentine’s Day alone and I hate when my friends and family ask me why I’m still single, so I have this guy who’s okay and pretty nice and everything and he can be my boyfriend…he doesn’t really THRILL me, but it makes my life easier to have one of these.”

This can even be a marriage. “Well I want kids, and he’s offering and he’s a good Provider…he doesn’t really THRILL me, but well, my friends and family approve and I don’t want to be 30+ with no kids, so sure I’ll marry him. And I’ll even be happy a lot of the time…but if the right guy comes along and knows how to seduce me, well, I wish my hubby would be able to DO that, but he can’t seem to and this guy makes me feel that thrill I’ve been longing for, and my BFF would never tell anyone and this guy has structured a situation where I don’t have to feel guilty and there’s no risk of getting caught………”

The part most of you shitting on me won’t believe is that sometimes a fling SAVES a relationship/marriage. The girl gets her curiousity out of her system, she has that “one last fling before settling down” while she’s engaged, she has that “the sex was fun but this guy doesn’t provide for me or take care of my like my BF does and I realize I didn’t appreciate that enough now”, or hell even “I was going to break it off with my guy because I haven’t had an orgasm in 3 years, but now I’m getting them regularly and I don’t resent my guy anymore so I can stay with him…and this guy is giving me tips on how to encourage him to do the stuff I want him to do and help him get better in bed without bruising his manly ego!”

I don’t lie. I’m just sharing my experience, and the experience of buddies of mine who also get girls. Sorry if it makes everyone uncomfortable, but this isn’t Jezebel where everyone just high-fives over rainbows and unicorns.

If I’m pointing out something that’s uncomfortable, but is a very consistent experience, with a number of guys who are going out and doing this, people should be looking at that and going “okay, if this is happening, how do we deal with it? How do we prevent it? What can we learn from it?”, not “DON’T TELL US TAHT DONT U FEEL DED INSIDE BOOO!!!!”

Then no, no offense, I’m sure you’re probably a wonderful person with a great personality, but you’re not my target demographic. This is where you roll your eyes and go “I knew it, look at those sluts in that picture, he just likes ditzy club skanks” because women hate acknowledging that there are chicks out there who are hot AND intelligent AND fun, amongst the bimbo skanks.

For what it’s worth, I’m a lot more fun in person and around girls. But while King A gets his “feel like a badass” jollies for the week flirting with the girls on here, I have friends and girls in the real world and I’m just here to teach/explain, so I don’t really care if I come off as harsh/abrasive/bratty, especially to the women here.

@Naz
lol you’d be surprised how many girls tell me they don’t fall for players or games or “that wouldn’t work on me” or “that might work on those club sluts but that would never work on my friend Sally” or “I don’t sleep with guys that fast, sorry” or “I don’t sleep with bar guys, I want a REAL man”, etc. and I just mentally roll my eyes and chuckle because it doesn’t matter at all.

@jack
The girl gets off on the drama, I don’t. I’d prefer single women, but the reality is the hottest girls are generally taken, and it’s usually taken in a really loose way. I don’t actively search out taken girls, because I don’t get off on the “cuckolding some other guy” thing that I know some dudes do, I just go for girls I have sexual chemistry with and if they happen to have a guy already, it’s just not really relevant to me. It doesn’t make me any more or less into her…it just goes into my brain as “okay, then there’s this other set of complications/rules to deal with” and I adapt my game to handle it.

@immoralgables
Ya, no one has to go for these chicks. Stick to single girls if you want, I don’t care. I’m just reporting what reality is like in the field. If you don’t want to go for them, cool, don’t. If you don’t want to tease a girl or put winky faces in your txts, don’t. I don’t give a shit, it’s your dick lol

It’s funny though, generally the guys who give me the most flak about banging taken girls are the guys who, if they’re getting laid regularly, are just banging average looking girls. Usually down the road when those guys start stepping up their game and actually approaching the hotter girls they come back to me and go “Damn, YaReally…I’m not into those ugly girls anymore, but it seems like every chick I talk to has a fucking boyfriend!!” and I just shrug and go “Yep.” and it’s like okay, now what are you going to do? Re-think your morals or keep sticking your dick in 6s till you accidentally get one preggers?

Guys who don’t go out, and don’t hit on the hotter girls, and women in general and anti-gamers, of course can’t relate to any of that.

@Lara
“In all my years of marriage I’ve never had a desirable man hit on me.”

Ya, 99% of guys have shitty anti-game and are terrible at seducing a woman, and especially at seducing a taken woman. That’s like saying “in all my years of being in bar fights, I’ve never had a Mike Tyson hitting me”. No shit, it’s a fucking art-form and takes some skill…you think every dipshit with a beer in his hand can pull it off? lol

Aside from that, again, do you look like the girls in that pic above?

“It’s understood by married women if you want someone high quality, you are going to have to pursue him.”

Ya, that’s why we have push/pull and “flip the script”, make the girl invest, etc. So you feel like you’re pursuing.

People shitting on my ethics for fucking taken girls should consider that I could have broken up pretty much any of those relationships, purposely, and just completely destroyed their lives…but I choose not to. Instead, ideally, they go back and fix their problems with their guy, or they decide that their relationship really wasn’t as good as they thought it was but always kind of knew it wasn’t and just didn’t want to admit it, and ultimately they find someone more compatible for them.

“Men, with options, don’t need to bother with married women, even if they like them sometimes.”

Agreed. Like I say, I don’t seek them out or have to get them. It just doesn’t register as a big deal to me. It’s like a girl telling me she has a dog at home. “Cool, so anyway–” On top of that, the girl sees me as a safe escape on the side because she knows that I’m not going to get all clingy on her or make her feel guilty or purposely fuck up her relationship…she knows she can trust me to just be a fun time and then go back to the “real world”.

But hey, why am I trying to explain this stuff to you, right? You’re a girl so you obviously understand seduction better than any of us. Getting knocked out by Mike Tyson means you’re qualified to teach boxing, right?

“Attached women who don’t tend to fuck everything that moves are always susceptible to the dark triad “deep” guy who “understands them.””

Yup. People think I only get the girls that every other guy can get, the easy slut whore types. But they’d be surprised to see that I have no problems getting the ones that other guys CAN’T get, that have a bunch of walls and defenses up and moral qualms about fucking random guys etc. I just have enough game to understand how to break through or work around all those defenses and make them feel okay about fucking me.

This is also why I don’t really worry about my girls going around boning a bunch of other guys while they’re seeing me…because 99% of guys will get weeded out by all their shit-testing and defenses that I had to deal with.

“They are also imminently more erotic, channeling their emotions into it…doing things even their alpha husbands wouldn’t dream they were capable of.”

I don’t know about the first half of that, some married chicks are pretty shitty lays lol But the second half for sure. Like, their husband is getting sex once a month at the most and it’s mediocre shit and she just lays there like a starfish because that’s how their sex life is after X number of years.

Meanwhile she’s coming over to my place dressed in sexy lingerie and taking it up the ass and spending their money on sex toys and outfits and shit for us.

Why doesn’t she do that with her husband? Because they know eachother TOO well…she’d be scared to say “I want you to choke me and spit on me” and scare him off because she has to live with him 24/7 and raise their kids with him so if he’s not into it she’s living in awkwardness for the rest of their marriage. And he’s gotten routine in the bedroom so she doesn’t feel like dressing up to seduce him because she knows it’ll be 30 seconds of missionary, no orgasm for her, and he rolls over and goes to sleep so why should she bother putting in any effort to seduce him?

But when she comes over to MY place, as soon as I see her at my door I slowly check her out down and up bedroom-eyes style like she’s a piece of meat, I tell her how sexy she looks all done up like that for me, and I pin her up against the wall and nibble on her neck instead of saying “hello”…she gets to feel completely WANTED and sexy and gets to REVEL in feeling like a sex object for someone, and she gets to live out all her fantasies with me that she has to keep secret from her husband.

Depending on the girl and her relationship, when she bitches about it, I’ll give her relationship advice. Ideally I’d LIKE if she was able to go to her hubby and say “I really need you to do such and such to me so we can get our sex life back on track, and I’ll do such and such for you” and they work it out and I never hear from her again…’cause I can get other women, I don’t care. But it’s hard to change up married peoples’ routine, and a lot of guys are butt-hurt over the suggestion that they aren’t amazing in bed.

One chick, who doesn’t get very wet during sex in general, like that’s just how her body works, so we used lube all the time, came to me one night and was telling me that she tried to get her hubby to buy lube, like they were in a store and she grabbed some and put it in the cart and he told her “you shouldn’t need that, wtf, I should make you wet enough” and wouldn’t let her buy it. lol.

Like take that girl’s situation…am I still the big evil asshole there? Her hubby is actively denying her pleasurable sex, and I’m offering it with no strings attached on the side. She’s trapped in a marriage where sex sucks for her…and I’m her escape that won’t disrupt her life and she doesn’t have to divorce him to find a guy who will drop $5 for a bottle of fucking lube so she can enjoy sex now and then lol

Anyway, it’s all shades of grey to me. But I understand people will judge me however they want, that’s fine lol

@yeahokcool
“but if your girl is running around on you, YOU are the one to blame. not me. not yareally. real talk: if you have proper hand and control of your girl, she will not WANT to cheat.”

This. The only woman a guy with solid game can’t get to cheat is a woman who’s satisfied with her man. Her Hypergamy tells her her man is better than every other man, so she doesn’t WANT to cheat, because she would be trading DOWN.

“with all due respect to yareally, if i’m doing my job right, i would bet my life’s earnings that he couldn’t game any of my “serious” girls into bed.”

100% agree. It’s part of why I don’t worry about guys banging my girls. I do my job right, there’s no guy that’s going to come along and be higher value to them because I understand what they need and provide it in spades, whether it’s sexual needs, emotional needs, drama, relaxation, etc.

Unfortunately, how many men, when they get into a serious relationship, stay the high value men their women fell in love with at the start? Not fucking many.

Instead, how many men fall into routine DVD/take-out/cuddle night and get fat and lazy, lose track of their goals in life, stop grooming and dressing themselves well because they already have guaranteed pussy, stay in job they grow dissatisfied with because they don’t want to upset their life or they have a house and kids to pay for and have to suck their boss’ cock and come home and bitch about it every night, and stop hanging out with their buddies and end up making their girl the center of their entire universe, etc.?

If you don’t want your girl to fuck guys like me, keep growing, keep being the best man you can be, keep striving toward new goals in your life. Don’t be complacent.

@ZMBIKLR
“You can’t get any lower drama. She saves the bad emotions for “hubby” and the sexual ones for you. She adores the fuck out of you, even after it’s over, because she only associates deeply erotic times with you.”

This. I’m not trying to be her replacement boyfriend (though it would be extremely easy). I’m basically just a sex toy for her. It’s convenient for me because I’m not looking for a relationship (I already have a GF of 2.5yrs) and she knows she can’t get any of the Provider/emotional benefits of a relationship from me so she still needs her guy for that.

@jack
“she’ll throw you under the bus in the blink of an eye if she gets caught.”

Yup. Thus my tips above on how to not get caught. lol

“in a world of false sexual assault and rape charges, even a black eye is but a trivial worry.”

Ya, the world sucks and there are shitty people out there. But I’m not going to avoid crossing the street because cars can hit people. I’m just going to look both ways before I cross the road and try to be careful.

You want to know the fucked up part?

Even if she got caught…like EVEN IF her man flat out saw my dick in her mouth, you know what would happen most of the time? With how beta guys are these days and how much the court system favors women etc. in divorce, child-care, etc.? He would literally convince himself it didn’t happen and he would mentally latch out onto ANY excuse to avoid accepting that it happened.

There was a thread on this a little while back on a PUA forum and it’s hard for people to wrap their heads around, but like, people want to keep their life predictable and comfortable and stable SO BADLY that they will backwards rationalize (aka their hamster on overdrive) complete bullshit to keep their world from shattering.

Sure, some guys would get mad. But if you hit on some single chick, she could have 4 Orbiter chodes who’ve been in love with her for years who’ll kick your ass outside the bar too, so fuck, it’s not any worse than that anyway.

“Call me crazy for not wanting to save my name as “sarah” in a girl’s phone or all the other excessive planning.”

So don’t fuck them. It’s your dick, stick it where you want lol I don’t care if she saves my name as “Foofoo BumBum”, why would I give a shit about that lol

“Remember chicks dig drama. Even the drama of getting caught.”

Yup. If I was going more in-depth in that list, I’d talk about that subject lol Guys would be surprised how little girls care about getting caught, ’cause for them it’s win/win…if their guy kicks my ass, they get to escape the blame AND they get to see their guy be an alpha for a few minutes and they get to fuck him after.

Again, this is why I have ways of preventing her from getting caught. 😛

But on that note:

@ZMBIKLR
“You’re doing it wrong if she’d throw you under the bus.”

Also this. If you handle comfort/rapport right, you can direct the flow of things so that the girl won’t want to throw you under the bus. It’s basically helping her find other external things to blame, like her own hubby (“you don’t care about me enough I just wanted to feel loved, why don’t you love me anymore baby??”), her slutty BFF, alcohol, life circumstances, etc. There’s lots of stuff she can blame it on besides me, if I help her realize that. 🙂

But again, I was just giving a brief thing there. Maybe I should write a legit in-depth eBook on how to bang taken girls and not get caught lol

@Lara
“Exactly Jack, you are letting her set the frame. It’s emasculating to have to sneak around like that. Either she’s your woman or she isn’t.”

lol okay there. Get back to me on what’s “manly” when you grow a penis. I probably won’t go read Jezebel’s “man up” articles for advice on how to be a man either lol

@Lily
o noes, does this mean you won’t fly to my apartment and suck my dick? Awww man that was my master plan all along!!!1

One unpleasant truth stuck out to me in this. Attraction to a third party (even if it isn’t acted on) *does* help the primary relationship. Saves them, in fact, sometimes. Without getting into the moral issue, this is just objective information. I’d say its more common if the man is the one who has the attraction to an outside woman though.

As far as what would work on any particular woman: if you’d never met anyone like YaReally yet, you’d likely fall for it hook, line, and sinker. If you had, if might not have the same impact.

It is certainly true that women DO want to be objectified and that some women are stuck with poor partners. How they want to handle that is where the moral question comes in.

“One unpleasant truth stuck out to me in this. Attraction to a third party (even if it isn’t acted on) *does* help the primary relationship. Saves them, in fact, sometimes. Without getting into the moral issue, this is just objective information.”

shhhh don’t tell them that. They’re too busy living in Disneyland where everyone just magically loves eachother 24/7 and is attracted to eachother till the grave and relationships have no problems and everyone is moral and has “honor” 24/7. 🙂

“I’d say its more common if the man is the one who has the attraction to an outside woman though.”

That’s because that’s more common and more talked about. Did you know guys turn their wives down for sex? Even HOT wives? I sure as shit had no idea because society never talks about that…but I’ve met enough girls who are stuck in that situation to know that that’s a thing that happens.

Did you know a flirty waitress will make a wife jealous and get her to put out for her husband that night? Of course you did, we ALL know that, because that’s socially acceptable to talk about.

“As far as what would work on any particular woman: if you’d never met anyone like YaReally yet, you’d likely fall for it hook, line, and sinker.”

It benefits me for people to think that PUAs look like Mystery or that Players are obvious to spot and are clearly running “games” and “tricks” and using bad pick-up lines and shit. Because they have NO idea what it really looks like in action, and that’s why I come along and blow a girls’ mind.

“If you had, if might not have the same impact.”

That’s like saying if you’ve seen a nice pair of tits, nice tits are no longer going to have the same impact on you. lol

“It is certainly true that women DO want to be objectified and that some women are stuck with poor partners.”

Understanding and accepting and not judging this is a huge part of becoming good at seduction. It doesn’t mean the girl is some damage case, it’s completely healthy to want to feel sexy and loved and appreciated. And guys aren’t all good partners who understand their wives enough to understand how to trigger that shit in them.

That’s why every guy should have some basic understanding of game/attraction and the female mind.

When I see those anti-game AFCs who get a white-knight-boner from proclaiming “I would NEVER use games on my wife!” I automatically know that their wives are probably the first ones that would fuck a guy like me if they met me, because their husbands are actively choosing not to satisfy their needs as women. Just like the guy who wouldn’t buy his girl a bottle of lube. You drop the ball, on purpose no less, and I’ll pick it up, because I see the sexy side of your woman that you snuffed out with your insecurity and inattention.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Disneyland. People here are pretty savy. Again, I am not making an argument *for* infidelity, just discussing how it appears to work.

I feel its more common for a man’s infidelity to cause a woman to up her game and win her man back to save the marriage because women compete with each other for men already. A woman’s infidelity, in my opinion, causes more damage and is less likely to cause a man to want to win her back. Its more probable that winning her back is not possible due to the fact that her emotions would have left him long before physically cheating.

“That’s like saying if you’ve seen a nice pair of tits, nice tits are no longer going to have the same impact on you. lol”

If one of those tits sprayed lemon juice in your eye, you might be wary. PUA types can be very, very loveable. Usually because they are so open. But, knowing you can be replaced at virtually any second is way too stressful for the average person.

“I feel its more common for a man’s infidelity to cause a woman to up her game and win her man back to save the marriage because women compete with each other for men already. A woman’s infidelity, in my opinion, causes more damage and is less likely to cause a man to want to win her back. ”

true. preselection is a one way street.

false paternity is a bitch to a man’s genetic legacy. hence his disdain for the cheating woman.

“A woman’s infidelity, in my opinion, causes more damage and is less likely to cause a man to want to win her back.”

This part I agree with. Men take it waaaay more personal than women do because it just shits in their ego to know their chick took another dick in her. Women are just kind of like “doesn’t he love me anymore??” and just need reassurance. I imagine this has to do with how much harder it is for dudes to get laid than it is for girls…if I could only eat chocolate once in my life and my chocolate bar fell on the ground I’d be devestated. If you have chocolate every day and one falls on the ground it’s like ehhh, sucks but I’ll get over it.

“Its more probable that winning her back is not possible due to the fact that her emotions would have left him long before physically cheating.”

This part is tricky. Once a man is low-value to a woman, it’s extremely hard for him to become high-value. It takes a herculean effort and a lot of uncomfortable parts of Game to turn that shit around and be legit sexually attractive to her again.

At the same time, I’ve fucked taken girls who really DO love their man. They love 90% of him, he just legitimately doesn’t satisfy her in the bedroom or have any interest in satisfying her in the bedroom, so she uses me for that other 10%. But like, she really DOES care about him and doesn’t want to hurt him and sees a future with him and wants to raise kids with him etc.

She really WANTS him to step up and be attractive to her, but he chooses not to, so she seeks it through me so that she doesn’t have to leave him. She can bang me at lunch hour and then go back to him and live her normal life as a loving woman.

This is really hard for people to wrap their heads around because we think “if she bangs someone else, she must not love you anymore”. Meanwhile we don’t say “if she loves her son, that means she doesn’t love her daughter”. It’s silly social conditioning.

“If one of those tits sprayed lemon juice in your eye, you might be wary.”

And if they don’t spray lemon juice? The girls I’m with all have nothing but good things to say about me afterward, because I give them an exciting fun experience and I know how to manage their emotions afterward so they don’t get Buyer’s Remorse or anything and look back on our time together as a good memory. That’s why they’ll often come back to me months or a year later.

“But, knowing you can be replaced at virtually any second is way too stressful for the average person.”

This is the key to setting up Open Relationships. The woman’s biggest worry isn’t that you’ll stick your dick in something else, it’s that she’ll get replaced by that other chick. So a big part of making a girl feel comfortable with you banging other girls is re-enforcing to her through words and actions and emotions, that she’s your #1 girl, your Primary, and all the other girls are meaningless and just to satiate your need for variety…but that none of them would ever replace her or be more important to you than her. And then you have to demonstrate that now and then, and never EVER put the other girls above her (like flaking on her to fuck one of them).

Sorry, your stories are not stimulating enough. Where is your alphaness? I can’t detect anything alpha about you. You come across like a spoiled brat/teenager and that’s not sexy. To make pussy wettage you first need to hijack a woman’s mind, not recount how you and a dubious unhappily married chick duped her unassuming hubby. Not sexy enough. Next!

I’m alright with my “providing logical information to other men” not being juicy enough to get some 6 on the internet who hangs out on men’s blogs wet. Maybe you should try reading Twilight or surfing for porn? The world doesn’t revolve around the status of your pussy.

Haha…….Disappointed I’m not impressed? You shouldn’t be. You’re right; why should you care? Except, one of your defenders made the point that your exploits get the women here wet. I just had to correct him on why his assertions are wrong.

As for my sixishness, wow, you give me too much credit. You’re so generous with your numbering assignment. I’m actually only a 0.95. In case you’re not good with numbers, that’s a little short of 1 (I know pounding pussy day and night has a tendency to make one airheadish 🙂 ).

BTW, you spend an awful amount of time writing long intricate comments that go on forever about your exploits, how do you have all this time to spare being that you’re such a busy pussy banger?

I type fast as fuck and I have an extremely lax job that I’m awesome at that only requires a few hours a day of work. I go out fri/sat (and occasionally thurs/sun) with friends and pick up new chicks, and either bang them that night or arrange to bang during the week when it’s convenient for me. I don’t waste my time on dates or cuddling up to watch DVDs or whatever, I arrange it so they come over to fuck and then go, and I don’t see the same girl more than once every week or two so I don’t have to waste 5 nights a week watching Honey Booboo with a chick and hoping I get some pussy before bed.

Writing about social dynamics and helping other men the way I was helped is a hobby for me, so I enjoy it and specifically make time for it. While other guys are playing Xbox or watching mindless YouTube shit, I’m reading/writing about this stuff and helping other guys revamp their lives for free because I’m just a nice dude that way and I enjoy seeing other men develop their full potential.

Now I’m going to knock out a few more hours of work, do a workout (new years resolution to get in shape), have a healthy dinner, meet up with my buddies, and hit the club where all the single-for-valentine’s-day chicks will be looking for cock. On the weekend my GF will be cooking me a nice V-Day dinner and I’ll do all those cuddly DVD night things with her.

brb, spending $0 on Valentine’s Day and getting “happy v-day” txts throughout my day from #s that went stale or boyfriended up and are looking to get back in touch with some YaReally lovin’

I think cohabitation is a poor idea anyway. When you’re dating, there’s still some mystery, some otherness about the person. When you move in together, you start discussing things like whose turn it is to take the trash out, unstop the toilet, clean up the cat shit, etc.

That said, I hope this backfires and turns into a cohabitation strike to go with the marriage strike. Fuck these looters.

Do you know most people who cohabitate end up divorced a few years later? It rarely ever works out as a marriage. C’mon! Why marry someone you’re cohabitating with? If a woman is willing to sell herself short and cohabitate with you, instead of getting the higher status of a wife, why would a man even think she is worth anything more than the position of a free milking cow?

Red meat for you CH. Red Meat. The cognitive dissonance from beta-herbs on Slate where he tries to write it off as not just her being fugly but also having no class or sophistication makes it even more hilarious.

What happens when said female works days 7a.m till 5p.m. Monday through Friday and works evenings 9.30/3 a.m Thursday through Saturday sometimes Sunday at second job and said male does not go to a punch in and out job and drives you to work at night where said woman works till 3 a.m. and said male goes out to said business meeting at night in bars…picks you up late in said females own car and claims he fell asleep!!!! And he only offers up sex once in a while cause he is too busy in his head to concentrate on sex when said female does all the riding and he just lays there and only takes pleasure in his own happy moment\??? And just for readers sake said female is not fat (98lbs) or butch nor ugly. And yes said male started the cheating comments first…said female questions said male about his where about because nothing ever comes from those meetings in bars at night while said woman is working..and said male hides his computer screen or turns his phone over when said woman walks in room to clean or or serve him supper or a drink in between shift…and yes said female does give up on arguing and dose question a lot..but said female is not allowed to go out on her day off. Said male has access to all her e mails and computer and password for phone but said female does not have any thing for his stuff.
Who would you say is cheating in this relationship????
Oh ya one more thing has to hand over pay checks and is given an allowance… and questioned all the time about cheating..have no time to sleep let alone think but accused of cheating when all said female hours are accounted for but not said males….

It should be obvious by now that a modern woman, while fun and entertaining, is often/usually a bad investment. If you are too lazy or busy to chase women, a prostitute is more honest than most of these women and offers better value.

If you can’t find a perfect homebody, someone dedicated to marriage, children, home and hearth, don’t get married. It is much better to live alone, even for long stretches, than have these stupid issues, which may cost you big money or expose you to some nasty diseases. There are many ways to not be bored.

Unrelated to the post, but related to your Tweet about BC Canada passing a law that you have to separate your assets with a live in partner of 2 years. This is but weeks after Quebec Canada said their would be no law for spousal support for common law partners.

my chick tells me she actually has not fucked another dude in the time we have been apart (and she was allowed) and told me i might as well of cut her guts out when i told her i got my dick sucked by another chick that she was testing me to see what i would do by telling me she did some shit with dudes so i said ok
lets have you take a lie detector test
how did nobody think of this shit before
maybe noone wants to know
but ahh yea should be standard before marriage for a chick
you ask her if her goal is to fuck you over in divorce court or get child support off of you and if she loves you
150 bucks to ask 5 questions pretty cheap shit really
standard fair for true intentions on moving in ltr is she taking her birth control does she plan on having an accidental pregnancy

my chick said i can ask her anything i want
she allready allowed me in with the doctor when getting tested for aids and other vd shit got me on list that i can call clinic she goes to and ask anything i want about what she saying to counselor
she actually wrote that on the release paper lol he can ask anything he wants
her suggestions for lie detector test
if she wants child support
if she wants to marry me and have my baby not for my money
if she had sex with anyone after the end of october which would be unbelieveable if true since i kicked her out prob 5 times since then and she moved into another dudes house even and somehow got enough loot to live now that is game god dam maybe even love

course she knows i am running out loot why she about to give me loot to pay me back for helping her should know by tomorrow when loot hits card and she wants to do my business
ever since i turned the dregs of the company into the best service team in the dam army (my opinion) and got three months or so off at the end of my enlistment as a reward (really happened) you can provide purpose direction and motivation and get people to rise above what they previously thought posible

nice thread guys yareally jason everyone i think putting some productive shit out there
and maybe it is like exsplat said about some study some people are just born with diferent morals and things they see as right and wrong
and what they consider acceptable or not
i think the hardest thing to fathom is that there are people who don’t live the way you do and have the same convictions and morals and are happy living like that even though it wouldn’t make you happy
so i think the good thing about talking about the shit is to find out what lifestyle does make you happy and trying shit out and seeing how it works for you and it is very dificult to make honest assesments about it
course that takes time and can fuck you up

stop hating on YaReally. he has very valid points. if you personally don’t want to bang married broads that’s your call. other guys do and there are a gazillion people out there like him who will. it’s the woman who’s “cheating” – not him. we are talking about 2 consenting adults here – grow the fuck up. some of you are talking like he’s banging his friend’s wives – he (presumably) doesn’t know these people. if it’s not him it would be somebody else, in the majority of cases. it’s a tough world out there – a state signed piece of paper and a wedding ring doesn’t completely exclude anybody from the SMP. many guys think it does