I remember Benny kicking the crap out of Jim Marohn after the Cane or Messenger when Wildwood Jeb and Marohn caused Webster and Seahawk Hanover to go offstride. That was worth whatever we paid to get in back then.

pius soho i aint to sure about you i never heard of a guy warming a horse up for a catch driver...that usually the trainer ur warming up for and i wa there and i dont remember watching the likes of bill o or campbell or any of the other shot shoes at the time talking to the warm up guy..just hand the lines over and be gone

I would pay to go back in time and be at Lexington the day Glen Garnsey had one of the best days a driver or trainer ever had . Fan Hanover , Delmegan, Armbro Aussie , Guiding Beam , etc, etc, etc,.....

I remember Benny kicking the crap out of Jim Marohn after the Cane or Messenger when Wildwood Jeb and Marohn caused Webster and Seahawk Hanover to go offstride. That was worth whatever we paid to get in back then.

it wasn't the cane or the messenger but the other jewel in the triple crown. the little brown jug. the year that fan Hanover won the jug. here's what happened. Benny had won his elimination. fan had won hers. in the final benny was on top with marohn in the two hole with the very headstrong ,freelegged steady star son, wildwood jeb. benny needed to win this heat to win the jug. marohn couldn't hold jeb in the hole and ran up on benny. when he did he put a leg over the arch of bennys bike next to the seat. both horses ground to a halt. glen garnsey moved fan at that moment and went on to victory to become the only filly to win the jug. when they finally got untangled and back to the winner circle, benny threw the lines to seahawk.s groom,Woody Crewes and went after marohn. fists were flying on the track till benny was pulled off him. marohn probably cost benny and skip lewis the jug that year. heres the only video i could find its fans world record elim.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ02VZ5wM5s

pius soho i aint to sure about you i never heard of a guy warming a horse up for a catch driver...that usually the trainer ur warming up for and i wa there and i dont remember watching the likes of bill o or campbell or any of the other shot shoes at the time talking to the warm up guy..just hand the lines over and be gone

There are alot of things you are not sure about denny...we have seen this. Think real hard now. Just how many can a trainer warm up at the same time he has multiple horses in on any given night? Think real hard now....who warms up horses in 2nd, 3rd string? Think real hard now.....and if you think the drivers never spoke with the guys that warmed up, then you were certainly not "there". Whats not to be sure about now? I"m sure I spent at least as much time in the paddock warming up as I did in the morningtimes going trips.....Thats what the job was about...how unsure are you of this again?

There are alot of things you are not sure about denny...we have seen this. Think real hard now. Just how many can a trainer warm up at the same time he has multiple horses in on any given night? Think real hard now....who warms up horses in 2nd, 3rd string? Think real hard now.....and if you think the drivers never spoke with the guys that warmed up, then you were certainly not "there". Whats not to be sure about now? I"m sure I spent at least as much time in the paddock warming up as I did in the morningtimes going trips.....Thats what the job was about...how unsure are you of this again?

Pius , someone might give what you say a little more credence if you wernt such a pompus ass .

it wasn't the cane or the messenger but the other jewel in the triple crown. the little brown jug. the year that fan Hanover won the jug. here's what happened. Benny had won his elimination. fan had won hers. in the final benny was on top with marohn in the two hole with the very headstrong ,freelegged steady star son, wildwood jeb. benny needed to win this heat to win the jug. marohn couldn't hold jeb in the hole and ran up on benny. when he did he put a leg over the arch of bennys bike next to the seat. both horses ground to a halt. glen garnsey moved fan at that moment and went on to victory to become the only filly to win the jug. when they finally got untangled and back to the winner circle, benny threw the lines to seahawk.s groom,Woody Crewes and went after marohn. fists were flying on the track till benny was pulled off him. marohn probably cost benny and skip lewis the jug that year. heres the only video i could find its fans world record elim.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ02VZ5wM5s

I never knew they raced the Jug one year in NY.....These message boards are so informative sometimes

Re: WHO WOOD YOU PAY TO SEE DRIVE« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2012, 05:52:13 PM »QuoteQuote from: cliffyy on October 10, 2012, 04:42:43 PMJIM TALLMAN OR BENNY THE WHIP

I remember Benny kicking the crap out of Jim Marohn after the Cane or Messenger when Wildwood Jeb and Marohn caused Webster and Seahawk Hanover to go offstride. That was worth whatever we paid to get in back then.

it wasn't the cane or the messenger but the other jewel in the triple crown. the little brown jug. the year that fan Hanover won the jug. here's what happened. Benny had won his elimination. fan had won hers. in the final benny was on top with marohn in the two hole with the very headstrong ,freelegged steady star son, wildwood jeb. benny needed to win this heat to win the jug. marohn couldn't hold jeb in the hole and ran up on benny. when he did he put a leg over the arch of bennys bike next to the seat. both horses ground to a halt. glen garnsey moved fan at that moment and went on to victory to become the only filly to win the jug. when they finally got untangled and back to the winner circle, benny threw the lines to seahawk.s groom,Woody Crewes and went after marohn. fists were flying on the track till benny was pulled off him. marohn probably cost benny and skip lewis the jug that year. heres the only video i could find its fans world record elim.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ02VZ5wM5s

Thanks for the great explanation. I knew it was a triple crown race that year with those 2 guys.

Thanks for the great explanation. I knew it was a triple crown race that year with those 2 guys.

glad i could help. still trying to figure harness fan de response to the explanation. not sure what he is saying. what many dont remember was that there was another wreck earlier that day in an elim. maybe wilderness could help with that one.

I remember Benny kicking the crap out of Jim Marohn after the Cane or Messenger when Wildwood Jeb and Marohn caused Webster and Seahawk Hanover to go offstride. That was worth whatever we paid to get in back then.

There's a fight where the combined weight of the combatants may not exceed 225 pounds!!