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How to convert a Skype sex to real sex ?

Hi fellow PUAs.

So I am a PUA in my late 30s who was active in London about 15 years ago, I had quite a bit of success but got very jaded and disillusioned with the whole scene.

I'm no mug and I feel am a pretty realistic guy. Recently I have kind of decided I will be back in the game. So like many others not long ago I started using a Cam girl site for the occasional wank, and that's all I took it for - a site where I use the camsluts to jerk off.

However, after a couple of months and trying a number of girls, I became extremely busy at work and could not afford the time camming, so I took a couple of months off away from the cams.

I must have made a very strong impression because one of them actually started contact with me by emailing me (2 months after first camming) and pleaded with me to come back to cam cause she orgasmed so hard. I actually wasn't going to come back to her because her rates were to high, so I suggested we take it on Skype. She agreed instantly and at a heavily discounted rate too. It was quite clear she genuinely wanted this. Through her work number she continued to make very complimentary statements about how I turned her on.

The skype session have continued on for about 4 months to this date and have been very very hot. On top of that she has given me her private number and we text regularly and chat on the phone now and then ( personal, not sex talk).

I have gotten to know her a bit and this is her back ground:

Comes from a single parent home (mother), father was useless guy who left home at early age. She was spoilt (but without healthy caring guidance by the mother) and is very self centred though very nice to me so far. Financially she has loads of money being set up by the mother. She has a number of unresolved issues surrounding her being badly brought up without a father (Daddy issues)

She is narcissistic and harbours visions of grandeur of one day being a star of some sort, she hangs around with rich guys who take her and her mates to so called fancy places around London.

Now I want to convert this into a good old fashioned sex affair of the non commercial kind. Though in the end if this is unsuccessful I would consider paying for it.

How should I go about this ? I have already asked very casually if she would meet me ( I said dinner, no obligations) and she has said yes but so far nothing has materialised. I have not mentioned it again. I live in a different city to her.

Shall I ask again and make it more " forceful " or shall I wait until she proposes the idea ?

If the answer is negative then how long before I should try the commercial option on her?

BTW, I am on guard against developing feelings for her, I just want to lay her at moment.

It seems absolutely clear to me that she wants money from you. You've effectively admitted that yourself so I think you have a fair idea what you are getting into here. The obvious clue: the Skypeing has not been free, it has been "at a heavily discounted rate ".

There are many, many girls in the UK who - usually secretly, but sometimes their best friends know about it - are taking money off some guy, usually an older richer guy, for occasional meet ups and sex.

Some examples:

* Quite a few strippers do this, but very very discreetly and they will absolutely not talk about it inside the club, because it's against the club rules. Many guys in the clubs ask to meet outside and the girls will say no to 99% of them, but not all, it probably also depends on the girl's financial situation at the time. A stripper girlfriend once told me that all her stripper friends had their "special friend". There've been times when I went out with her and she told me about girl friends who were staying overnight in Mayfair hotels because they were meeting their "friend". The men involved are probably spending a huge amount of money here, £700 hotel room, restaurant, champagne, gifts, etc. Strippers are very very good at getting money out of rich guys!

* There are websites for introducing "Sugardaddies" to "Sugarbabies". The UK is one of the most active regions, and you can find a lot of university students and other young UK women on these sites. Terms to be agreed individually between the two people involved, but on average something typical would be around £1500 per month for 2-3 meetups per month. A "meetup" being a 4 or 5 hour date, for example dinner and sex, maybe staying overnight depending on logistics. Don't assume that because money is involved it's easy to form these arrangements, it's a lot of hard work, the same as online game on other dating websites. The girls' attitude is always "I'm not an escort, I need to be attracted to you". If it's a hot girl, you are competing with all the rich douchebags and liars on the site to get her attention online. When this arrangement works well, the girl is strongly attracted to the guy due to dominance and you can get a good NSA FB-style relationship, usually with no problems with you having multiple relationships as well. In other words, there are girls on these sites who are doing it with the twin motivation of money and getting good sex, and who therefore respond well to dominant guys. There are also a lot of princesses, delusional girls, and scammers...

* A classic situation - probably our grandfathers and great-grandfathers were doing it - was the "mistress" or "kept woman". So depending on wealth, a (married) man would give some girl a flat, or pay her rent or other living expenses, and generally meet up once a week or when he was free. It was a shitty deal for the woman if she was expected to be exclusive with him, as he wouldn't be with her all the time and yet it limited her own social life.

* In other countries - especially Russia, I'm told - many rich powerful guys have their "girlfriend", so they have a wife and family at home, and also some girl they take out to VIP clubs, restaurants etc and then fuck senseless assuming that the coke hasn't made their dick limp. Many of the most beautiful 21 year old girls in these places are simply not available for regular guys to date, because they are only looking for a "boyfriend".

* If you're super cynical, you could say marriage itself is a similar deal, assuming the two partners have unequal wealth.

* Obviously there are also escorts. The major and crucial difference between escorts and the other five situations covered above is that the escort doesn't get to choose who she fucks (although presumably she can still say no if it's horrendous, the general point is that she's not going to say no). In the other situations covered above, the girl is choosing to be with the guy sexually, as well as for the economic reasons.

Therefore my take is there's no reason why you can't have a relationship with a girl which is paid, but which also involves mutual attraction. But if you want to make it a good relationship and one which she is satisfied with, then you need to be very dominant, to create attraction and defuse the fact that you're paying her. The trigger needs to be that you are attractive, not rich.

So I say, if you're happy to pay her, then go for a meeting and see what happens here.

Usually any kind of sex worker - stripper, cam girl, nude model, etc - will find it very important to show that she's "not an escort". Any direct approach, like "will you have sex with me for £1000", will be answered no. You therefore have to do it in a way that she can still justify it to herself that she's not an escort.

If she's touchy about the subject and you already know that she finds it important to show that she's "not an escort", then you might need to find another way to talk about the money, like ask how much would she like from you to cover her travel expenses, if she comes to meet you. You could also talk about making up for her lost income because she won't be on cam for X number of hours. Alternatively if she's more realistic, then it's just a question of you being absolutely clear about how much money you are offering per date, in this case the term you probably want to use here to set this up with her is a "pay per meet arrangement", that terminology is used on sugardaddy websites. You'll have to be the judge here, based on your past discussions with her...

Some tips:

* Do not under any circumstances offer any money in advance of meeting up. There's always a good chance the girl is doing all this to get you in a position where you agree £xxx for meeting up, you send it to her in advance, and then you never hear from her again. So it has to be on the basis that the money will be given to her when you meet in person.

* Do not necessarily believe anything that she says about herself or her situation, personal or financial. There's almost certainly other stuff she's not telling you, remember she's used to spinning a fantasy for guys online.

* Assuming the meet actually happens, treat her absolutely respectfully and dominantly, the same as with any other hot girl you are aiming to have sex with, tease her, and make it fun for her. Talk about everything in the world except camming. Play a mental game with her like you pretend that camming never happened. If this turns into a semi-regular thing, you can plan with her a story to tell people about how you two first met...

* Make sure you have the money to spare for this. If you need to fix up your house, pay off debt, etc, then you are crazy to get into an additional financial commitment, and she won't respect you for it if she finds out you are prioritising giving her money over your other financial needs.

* Do not put her on a pedestal or idolise her, you need to stay dominant, remember what she has been doing on cam for other guys for money.

* Do not give her additional money or gifts above the amount originally agreed.

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I realise most PUAs would probably say move on, never pay money to a girl for any reason. But if you have the money to spare, I don't see why you can't enjoy yourself here and get to fuck a girl who you are obviously dreaming about. It will be an experience, and it will probably be very good for your confidence with other women, so it can lead to you getting a girlfriend of the regular, (unpaid) variety.

It seems absolutely clear to me that she wants money from you. You've effectively admitted that yourself so I think you have a fair idea what you are getting into here. The obvious clue: the Skypeing has not been free, it has been "at a heavily discounted rate ".

There are many, many girls in the UK who - usually secretly, but sometimes their best friends know about it - are taking money off some guy, usually an older richer guy, for occasional meet ups and sex.

Some examples:

* Quite a few strippers do this, but very very discreetly and they will absolutely not talk about it inside the club, because it's against the club rules. Many guys in the clubs ask to meet outside and the girls will say no to 99% of them, but not all, it probably also depends on the girl's financial situation at the time. A stripper girlfriend once told me that all her stripper friends had their "special friend". There've been times when I went out with her and she told me about girl friends who were staying overnight in Mayfair hotels because they were meeting their "friend". The men involved are probably spending a huge amount of money here, £700 hotel room, restaurant, champagne, gifts, etc. Strippers are very very good at getting money out of rich guys!

* There are websites for introducing "Sugardaddies" to "Sugarbabies". The UK is one of the most active regions, and you can find a lot of university students and other young UK women on these sites. Terms to be agreed individually between the two people involved, but on average something typical would be around £1500 per month for 2-3 meetups per month. A "meetup" being a 4 or 5 hour date, for example dinner and sex, maybe staying overnight depending on logistics. Don't assume that because money is involved it's easy to form these arrangements, it's a lot of hard work, the same as online game on other dating websites. The girls' attitude is always "I'm not an escort, I need to be attracted to you". If it's a hot girl, you are competing with all the rich douchebags and liars on the site to get her attention online. When this arrangement works well, the girl is strongly attracted to the guy due to dominance and you can get a good NSA FB-style relationship, usually with no problems with you having multiple relationships as well. In other words, there are girls on these sites who are doing it with the twin motivation of money and getting good sex, and who therefore respond well to dominant guys. There are also a lot of princesses, delusional girls, and scammers...

* A classic situation - probably our grandfathers and great-grandfathers were doing it - was the "mistress" or "kept woman". So depending on wealth, a (married) man would give some girl a flat, or pay her rent or other living expenses, and generally meet up once a week or when he was free. It was a shitty deal for the woman if she was expected to be exclusive with him, as he wouldn't be with her all the time and yet it limited her own social life.

* In other countries - especially Russia, I'm told - many rich powerful guys have their "girlfriend", so they have a wife and family at home, and also some girl they take out to VIP clubs, restaurants etc and then fuck senseless assuming that the coke hasn't made their dick limp. Many of the most beautiful 21 year old girls in these places are simply not available for regular guys to date, because they are only looking for a "boyfriend".

* If you're super cynical, you could say marriage itself is a similar deal, assuming the two partners have unequal wealth.

* Obviously there are also escorts. The major and crucial difference between escorts and the other five situations covered above is that the escort doesn't get to choose who she fucks (although presumably she can still say no if it's horrendous, the general point is that she's not going to say no). In the other situations covered above, the girl is choosing to be with the guy sexually, as well as for the economic reasons.

Therefore my take is there's no reason why you can't have a relationship with a girl which is paid, but which also involves mutual attraction. But if you want to make it a good relationship and one which she is satisfied with, then you need to be very dominant, to create attraction and defuse the fact that you're paying her. The trigger needs to be that you are attractive, not rich.

So I say, if you're happy to pay her, then go for a meeting and see what happens here.

Usually any kind of sex worker - stripper, cam girl, nude model, etc - will find it very important to show that she's "not an escort". Any direct approach, like "will you have sex with me for £1000", will be answered no. You therefore have to do it in a way that she can still justify it to herself that she's not an escort.

If she's touchy about the subject and you already know that she finds it important to show that she's "not an escort", then you might need to find another way to talk about the money, like ask how much would she like from you to cover her travel expenses, if she comes to meet you. You could also talk about making up for her lost income because she won't be on cam for X number of hours. Alternatively if she's more realistic, then it's just a question of you being absolutely clear about how much money you are offering per date, in this case the term you probably want to use here to set this up with her is a "pay per meet arrangement", that terminology is used on sugardaddy websites. You'll have to be the judge here, based on your past discussions with her...

Some tips:

* Do not under any circumstances offer any money in advance of meeting up. There's always a good chance the girl is doing all this to get you in a position where you agree £xxx for meeting up, you send it to her in advance, and then you never hear from her again. So it has to be on the basis that the money will be given to her when you meet in person.

* Do not necessarily believe anything that she says about herself or her situation, personal or financial. There's almost certainly other stuff she's not telling you, remember she's used to spinning a fantasy for guys online.

* Assuming the meet actually happens, treat her absolutely respectfully and dominantly, the same as with any other hot girl you are aiming to have sex with, tease her, and make it fun for her. Talk about everything in the world except camming. Play a mental game with her like you pretend that camming never happened. If this turns into a semi-regular thing, you can plan with her a story to tell people about how you two first met...

* Make sure you have the money to spare for this. If you need to fix up your house, pay off debt, etc, then you are crazy to get into an additional financial commitment, and she won't respect you for it if she finds out you are prioritising giving her money over your other financial needs.

* Do not put her on a pedestal or idolise her, you need to stay dominant, remember what she has been doing on cam for other guys for money.

* Do not give her additional money or gifts above the amount originally agreed.

---

I realise most PUAs would probably say move on, never pay money to a girl for any reason. But if you have the money to spare, I don't see why you can't enjoy yourself here and get to fuck a girl who you are obviously dreaming about. It will be an experience, and it will probably be very good for your confidence with other women, so it can lead to you getting a girlfriend of the regular, (unpaid) variety.

Thanks for the comments, things have progressed but will take it on board.

thank you for sharing your experience, I previously also visited a lot of these sites of cams but I got bored because their rates are so expensive, so now I like more sites like tinder or badoo where you do not have to pay anything