I do have a theory. The American people suffered sever abuse at the hand of their own government during the Bush/Cheney years and any continuation in
policy and continuity of that same government, no matter who is in "the chair" at the oval office is a rightful place to direct their outrage and
indignation, so there's transference going on, and some blame to be assigned to the incoming Obama administration for their continuance of Bush
policy.

If Obama abolished or amended even just SOME of those things, to restore the "wind of liberty" then they would forgive him, but they see in him just
another variation of the same type of abuse they remember all too well and are still stinging from.

It's like a wound that no one person or leader can heal.

And he's black and liberal, and a little snooty, too cool, professorial and a little too arrogant for many people's taste too much of a Celebrity and
it really makes them gag.

But like I said above, I honestly think that he's a pretty decent guy, who actually cares and is trying his very best.

If the American people are not as Bill Clinton said this past election campaign in his historic speech "feeling it" after these four years, then in
hindsight, I'm wrong.

I just see them fanning the flames of the worst aspects of American culture including that which is promulgated by the MSM, and it really saddens me
to see such visceral ignorance being so rampant.

I WANT to see the USA succeed, and for one and all to "live long and prosper".

I don't normally sympathise with your viewpoint or your approach to debate, but I fully endorse what you have achieved here.

Which is ???????????? Absolutely nothing.

Two pages down and the Barack-haters have yet to come up with anything more concrete that wild accusations and schoolyard cries of 'no,
you!'

Amazing that even video with the words and lies from his own mouth aren't enough evidence for you. It shows that you are nothing more than a
domesticated, brainwashed puppet who can't think or make decisions for yourself. Just jumping on the bandwagon.

It is distressingly obvious that most people who hate Barack Obama (and they are very much in the minority, both in America and in the rest
of the world) hate him because he's a black man.

This alone expresses your sheer ignorance of knowledge as if you went and personally took a poll of what everyone in the world thinks. This is your
opinion and sheer speculation.

As far as calling Barrack haters or people who don't agree with him as "RACIST" .......what do you call BLACK people who hate or disagree with
him?

Thanks for putting up this thread. It brings the creeps out of the woodwork and helps us identify them for future reference.

Yes...Thank you because you have just exposed yourself as another mindless troll who has just posted nothing but your personal opinion and views as
fact without even looking at factual evidence from the man's mouth himself.

When a man speaks words and his very actions contradict what he has said....he is a liar... Which means he isn't worthy to be trusted....

My father a mere man who was a humble man taught me one thing....You only have your word and if you can't keep your word then u can't be trusted...

So essentially it would be better off to not make promises you can't or don't intend on keeping.

UNFORTUNATELY this world is so full of people who need people to think for them...You are dependent people who will evetually see and be awokened by
the humbling experience of REALITY. I truly feel sympathy for you ignorance as a human being.

And hey, if you can't love everyone equally, then you can't really love anyone at all, including yourself, so now here you go calling the opposition
"creeps" that I can't approve as it violates my core values.

I respect that. It's a totally unbiased view based on fact and not personal emotion. Very respectable in my eyes.

No it's the whole thing, his Healthcare Plan, even though they had to end up ramming it through which was divisive, was a good thing and necessary.

The gay rights issue was a good stance to take. (even though I'm straight and a Christian).

The immigration reform and soon to come Education reform are good things.

Ending the wars. Very important.

You'll have to excuse my ignorance but what specifically about the healthcare plan are you referring to? What specifically are you referring to when
you mention immigration reform and education reform?

I am not clear on what portion of these "reforms" lead you to your conclusions.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Given that he is the leader of the country, and appears to want what's best for the American people, like economic recovery and a burgeoning and
resurgent middle class, immigration reform, equal rights, education reform, etc. I'm just not sure how all the anti-Obama hatred is helpful in
advancing collectively held US values..

economic recovery?

the gdp grew at -0.1% in the fourth quarter.
yes thats right negative.
which means it contracted.

Obama is killing the middle class.
inflation is through the roof, due to his $6 trillion dollar spending spree.link
raised taxes through obamacare.
insurance premiums are up between 30%-60%
raised payroll taxes.
unemployment at 7.8%, same as it was when he took office in 2009, and $6 trillion later.

immigration reform?
no he wants amnesty for 11 million ILLEGAL aliens.
or in other words, he wants 11 million democrat voters.

equal rights?
yeah, stalin wanted equal rights too.
read the constitution.
he splits us into different groups based on income, then spews this class warfare claptrap that just divides the people even more.
whats equal about that?

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
For starters, in terms of fundamental values and belief, which is really the first cause in any civil and burgeoning society, something that I
believe is still in the realm of all possibility both for the United States and the larger world, I happen to think that when Obama states that "my
individual salvation is inextricably tied to our collective salvation" he understands something about the importance of "we",

Your position makes much more sense now. Your belief in collective salvation is akin to the brainwashing that Obama was recieving for over 20 years
from Rev Jeremiah Wrights Black Liberation Theology. Collective salvation is one of the most base evils in this world that makes the lame attempt at
blending Jesus and communism. Lesser educated poor lap this spiritual and culteral poison up but most correct thinking people see right through it
and see it for the evil that it is.

Deflection tactics again. SMH.. I don't need to support it. It is blatantly effing obvious to anyone who possesses a brain and even the
slightest knowledge of history.

Thanks for playing, though.

Okay, I swore to myself to keep myself from this ensuing chaos, but once more, I feel obliged to plug in (so to say).

Every time something is "obvious" the person saying this does not have an answer but tries to hide this.

Just give us 1 or 2 or 100 points with which you want to underlay the impression that your president is a communist, or a bastard or whatever you feel
about him.

Of course, that will leave you vulnerable to criticism, but on the other hand you are so very sure about him being the worlds worst person to do that
job that you should feel safe enough for every discussion, right?

Deflection tactics again. SMH.. I don't need to support it. It is blatantly effing obvious to anyone who possesses a brain and even the slightest
knowledge of history.

Thanks for playing, though.

Okay, I swore to myself to keep myself from this ensuing chaos, but once more, I feel obliged to plug in (so to say).

Every time something is "obvious" the person saying this does not have an answer but tries to hide this.

Just give us 1 or 2 or 100 points with which you want to underlay the impression that your president is a communist, or a bastard or whatever you feel
about him.

Of course, that will leave you vulnerable to criticism, but on the other hand you are so very sure about him being the worlds worst person to do that
job that you should feel safe enough for every discussion, right?

Foreign Policy

1. Continued the practice of indefinite detentions for alleged terrorists without review (link, link)

2. Dropped threat to veto NDAA (link) and signed it, encoding severe government power advances into law (link)

3. Announced “Withdrawal Plan” that leaves more troops in Afghanistan than when he started (link)

4. Authorized military intervention in Libya without the approval of Congress (link)

5. Did this after emphatically stating as a presidential candidate that the president did not have the authority to do that (link)

8.Announced a $60 billion sale of arms to the Saudi Arabian dictatorship, the largest arms deal in history (link)

9. Sold arms to abusive Bahrain regime and used legal loophole to avoid telling Congress about it (link)

10. Granted a waiver allowing four countries to continue receiving US military aid even though they use child soldiers (link)

11. Argued that the widespread use of Predator drones is a justifiable form of self-defense (link)

12. Claims ACTA could be ratified without Congressional approval and that it would override US law (link)

13. Ordered drone attacks in Yemen (link)

14. Ordered a cruise missile and cluster bomb attack in Yemen that killed women and children, suppressed the civilian casualties, and then imprisoned
a journalist who revealed the truth (link)

15. Would seek international permission for intervening in Syria before consulting Congress (link)

16. Broke promise to reject the Military Commissions Act (link)

17. Continuing policy of maintaining thousands of troops at over a thousand military bases around the world (link)

Honorable Mention: Backed off on his promise to close the prison at Guantanamo (link) (Yes, I know you can blame Congress for this. But he backed away
from it while Democrats still controlled Congress, and his promise to close Guantanamo was often cited as a reason to vote for him.)

Civil Liberties and Homeland Security

18. Authorized the assassination of US citizens abroad, an unprecedented declaration of executive power (link)

19. Says American citizens can be targeted for killing without judicial review (link)

20. Assassinated an American citizen without due process (link) (Yes I know he was a terrorist who wanted to kill me, but the government can make
mistakes and I don’t want the government having the power to make mistakes about killing American citizens with no limits)

21. Two weeks later, assassinated that citizen’s 16-year-old son (link)

22. Announced the rules about assassinating American citizens, basically telling the other branches of government whats its own limitations are
(link)

23. Requested thousands of secret spying warrants (link)

24. Defended the use of warrantless wiretapping (link)

25. Tried to stop the Supreme Court from hearing a challenge of warrantless wiretapping (link)

26. Pushed to overhaul federal law making it easier to wiretap (link)

27. Refused to declassify a secret memo regarding the president’s power for warrantless spying (link)

28. Defended the use of warrantless GPS vehicle tracking, which was ruled unconstitutional (link)

29. Continued and expanded Bush’s police state (link) (You could really make multiple reasons from all the examples in this article)

66. Appointed serial tax dodger Timothy Geithner to be his Treasury Secretary (link)

67. Appointed Monsanto executive Michael Taylor to the FDA (link)

68. Appointed H&R Block CEO Mark Ernst to the IRS, where he wrote tax regulation to require licensed tax preparers. Congress never gave the IRS
authority to do that, but this regulation benefits H&R Block, who had lobbied for it. (link)

69. Told the Air Force it was illegal for their families to read Wikileaks (link)

70. Did all of these things after promising that his administration would be “the most open and transparent in history.” (link)

NEW! Honorable Mention: 36 Obama staffers are delinquent on more than $800,000 in taxes (link)

NEW! Honorable Mention: Lied (until they were caught) about connection to an ad that accused Romney of being responsible for a man’s death (link)
Health Care Reform

71. Required American citizens, for the first time, to purchase a product from a private business through the “individual mandate.” I don’t care
if Republicans came up with the idea first; I don’t care if you need it to make the health care bill work; and it’s not like state car insurance,
either. It is (I believe) a severe and unconstitutional overreach that sets a dangerous precedent of almost unlimited government, and conservatives
and liberals alike should agree that this insurance company hybrid system is a far worse health care solution than either free-market or
government-run “single payer” systems. (link)

72. Argued the individual mandate penalty was not a tax increase to make the bill more attractive and then argued that the penalty was a tax increase
to justify its constitutionality under the commerce clause (link, link).

73. Cut a benefit program from health care reform that was supposed to reduce the overall cost after realizing it would actually dramatically increase
it (link)

74. Established unreasonable requirements on organizations and then granted over 1500 waivers from those requirements to those with the connections or
resources to get approved (link), with labor unions receiving the overwhelming majority (link)

75. Broke promise to require employers to provide seven days paid sick leave (link) (From my bias I’m actually glad this promise was broken. I’m
including it because the pro-bama list actually uses this promise as a reason to vote for Obama. Seriously? I could make up 218 nice-sounding
promises. That’s not a reason to vote for me. But if I become president and break those promises? That’s definitely not a reason to vote for me
again.)

77. Broke promise to cut deficit in half by the end of his first term. (link) (All of Obama’s deficits are larger than all of Bush’s, and not just
because of the inherited crisis – his projected deficits for the next four years are still much larger.)

85. Broke promise to end income tax for seniors making less than $50,000 a year (link)

86. The Senate has not passed an annual budget for over 1000 days, including the second year Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress, (link)
and a 2011 budget proposal from the White House was so bad it was rejected by the Senate 97-0. (link)

87. Broke promise to form an international group to help Iraq refugees (link)
Ethics and Transparency, Part II: Whistleblowers

93. Prosecuted whistleblower John Kiriakou for “allegedly leaking to reporters the names of two agency operatives” (link)

94. Launched a criminal investigation against Paul Hardy for blowing the whistle on safety problems with a breast cancer detection device (link)

95. These prosecutions are more than all previous presidents combined (link)

96. These prosecutions are happening after Obama formerly praised whistleblowers, represented one as a young law and vowed to strengthen whistleblower
protection laws (link, link).
Various and Sundry Administrative Overreaches

147. Appointed lobbyist Susan Sher to chief of staff at the Office of the First Lady (link)

148. Appointed lobbyist Dana Singiser to Special Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs (link)

149. Appointed lobbyist Nancy Stoner to Deputy Assistant Administrator for Water at the EPA (link)

150. Appointed lobbyist Thomas Strickland to assistant secretary at the Department of the Interior (link)

151. Appointed lobbyist Karl R. Thompson as a lawyer at the Department of Justice (link)

152. Appointed lobbyist John Trasvina to assistant secretary at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (link)

153. Appointed lobbyist Dan Turton to Deputy Director of Legislative Affairs at the White House (link)

154. Appointed lobbyist Christine Varney to Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust at the Justice Department (link)

155. Appointed lobbyist Richard Verma to assistant secretary at the State Department (link)

156. Appointed lobbyist William J. Wilkins to Chief Counsel at the IRS (link)

157. Appointed Tom Daschle to health and human services. Daschle was not technically a lobbyist but received millions advising health insurers and
hospitals (link), and was also severely delinquent on his taxes (link)

158. Not only did he appoint all these lobbyists, but he did this after vowing to ban them (link)

159. Insisted that Americans should not be required to buy health insurance during campaign before championing health care bill that does just that
(link)

160. Signaled support for taxing employer health benefits after severely criticizing McCain for the same thing (link)

161. Slammed Bush for high gas prices in campaign and now is upset that the GOP is doing the same to him (link) (Note: I don’t think the President
has that much power either way)

162. Changed his mind about opposing Super PACs and urged fundraisers to support them (link)

NEW! Honorable Mention: Now trying to expand the Export-Import Bank, one of the few government programs he said should be scaled back as a candidate,
calling it “corporate welfare” (link)

Honorable Mention: Telephoned a liberal activist when she was called a slut by a conservative commentator but didn’t do anything about a
conservative commentator who was called a slut by a liberal commentator. He also accepted a $1 million Super PAC donation from Bill Maher, who has
called conservative women worse things. (link, link)
Ethics and Transparency, Part IV: Top Fundraisers

163. Appointed top fundraiser Cynthia Stroum as ambassador to Luxembourg, who wasted time and money hunting for a fancy residence and remodeling its
bathrooms (link)

164. Replaced Stroum with top fundraiser Robert Mandell (link)

165. Appointed top fundraiser Nicole Avant as ambassador to the Bahamas, who was largely absent from post (link)

166. Appointed top fundraiser Donald Gips as ambassador to South Africa, while his company received millions in government stimulus contracts
(link)

167. Appointed top fundraiser Dan Beyer as ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein (link)

168. Appointed top fundraiser Julius Genachowski to chairman of the FCC (link)

169. Appointed top fundraiser Steve Spinner to the Energy Department. Spinner also happened to push for the loans to the now-bankrupt Solyndra
(link)

170. Appointed top fundraiser Matthew Barzun as ambassador to Sweden (link)

171. Appointed top fundraiser Jeff Bleich as ambassador to Australia (link)

172. Appointed top fundraiser Richard Danzig to the foreign policy board (link)

173. Appointed top fundraiser William Eacho as ambassador to Austria (link)

174. Appointed top fundraiser Howard Gutman as ambassador to Belgium (link)

175. Appointed top fundraiser Scott Harris to the Department of Energy (link)

176. Appointed top fundraiser William Kennard as ambassador to the European Union (link)

177. Appointed top fundraiser Spencer Overton as the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General (link)

178. Appointed top fundraiser Thomas Perrelli as Associate Attorney General (link)

179. Appointed top fundraiser Abigail Pollack to the Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino (link)

180. Appointed top fundraiser Charles Rivkin as ambassador to France and Monaco (link)

181. Appointed top fundraiser John Roos as ambassador to Japan (link)

182. Appointed top fundraiser Francisco Sanchez under the Secretary of Commerce for International Trade (link)

183. Appointed top fundraiser Alan Solomont as ambassador to Spain and Andorra (link)

184. Appointed top fundraiser A. Marisa Chun as deputy associate attorney general (link)

185. Appointed top fundraiser Gregory Craig to the White House counsel (link)

186. Appointed top fundraiser Norman Eisen to the special counsel to the president for ethics and government reform (link)

187. Appointed top fundraiser Michael Froman as deputy assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for international economic
affairs (link)

188. Appointed top fundraiser Mark Gallogly to the Economic Recovery Advisory Board (link)

189. Appointed top fundraiser Max Holtzman as senior adviser to the Agriculture secretary (link)

190. Appointed top fundraiser James Hudson as director of the European bank for Reconstruction and Development (link)

191. Appointed top fundraiser Jeh Johnson to the Department of Defense (link)

192. Appointed top fundraiser Samuel Kaplan as ambassador to Morocco (link)

193. Appointed top fundraiser Nicole Lamb-Hale to the Commerce Department (link)

194. Appointed top fundraiser Andres Lopez to the Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino (link)

195. Appointed top fundraiser Cindy Moelis as the director of the Commission on White House Fellows (link)

196. Appointed top fundraiser William Orrick as counselor to the assistant attorney general (link)

197. Appointed top fundraiser John Phillips as chairman of the Commission on White House Fellows (link)

198. Appointed top fundraiser Penny Pritzker to the Economic Recovery Advisory Board (link)

199. Appointed top fundraiser Bob Rivkin to the Transportation Department (link)

200. Appointed top fundraiser Desiree Rogers as the White House social secretary (link)

201. Appointed top fundraiser Louis Susman as ambassador to the United Kingdom (link)

202. Appointed top fundraiser Robert Sussman to the Environmental Protection Agency (link)

203. Appointed top fundraiser Christina Tchen as director of the White House Office of Public Engagement (link)

204. Appointed top fundraiser Barry White as ambassador to Norway (link)

205. Appointed top fundraiser Preeta Bansal to the Office of Management and Budget (link)

206. Appointed top fundraiser Laurie Fulton as ambassador to Denmark (link)

207. Appointed top fundraiser Fred Hochberg as President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States (link)

208. Appointed top fundraiser Valerie Jarrett as senior adviser to the president (link)

209. Appointed top fundraiser Kevin Jennings as assistant deputy secretary of Education (link)

ROFL, This is why i posted the first reply to your thread and it was removed. It was " Go back to sleep" The size of the reply needed would take up
so much harddrive space and take so long to type that it would have been deleted too. The fact is that the 4 word reply i posted is exactly the
appropriate response given the huge amount of information at your fingertips. You have either been asleep for the last few years or you are completely
dependent on media outlets pushing agenda's rather than reporting facts. You have internet access, use it. Do a little research with an open mind.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I'm glad I've posed this question, and all I'm asking is that you think it all the way through, rationally, without opting for the default
emotional reaction/response which doesn't uplift anyone and may even be debasing.

You can't irritate people by making them repeat themselves (logically, rationally and calm) over and over again then use that induced irritation to
dismiss their point of view...MANY here have expressed exactly why they disagree with Obama over and over and over again...very clearly...and the need
to do it yet again...is beyond irritating and infuriating.

Me I'm all for a new age of an enlightened mutual best interest, and if Obama is undermining the human potential of the American citizen, it
would be nice to know precisely why and how.

One man's enlightenment is another mans ignorance...

Precisely? Well when you lump up 350 million people...and tie them together...it creates all kinds of issues...think of it like a two man race whose
legs are tied together but the two men you have tied together are Usain Bolt and Steven Hawking...change the context to an intellectual race and you
still have one slowing down the other...

There is NO ROOM for "excellence" when you tie everyone up together in a well-fare nanny state.

The references to Hitler- (or Nazis, to 0bama or anyone) are a smokescreen to cover for communism.

Do you know anything about the Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK & People's Mujahedin of Iran)? They are both Muslim and communists. Interestingly, 0bama
hasn't been linked to them, but his proximity to the Muslim Brotherhood & the "revolutions" in Tunisia, Egypt, & now, Syria make that
interesting.

Peace can in no way be associated or ascribed to the president. Very much the opposite.

The references to Hitler- (or Nazis, to 0bama or anyone) are a smokescreen to cover for communism.

Do you know anything about the Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK & People's Mujahedin of Iran)? They are both Muslim and communists. Interestingly, 0bama hasn't
been linked to them, but his proximity to the Muslim Brotherhood & the "revolutions" in Tunisia, Egypt, & now, Syria make that interesting.

Peace can in no way be associated or ascribed to the president. Very much the opposite.

Very true..

And lets not forget. IRAN changed its name from Persia to join forces and show solidarity with Hitler against the Jews.

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