Santa Monica shooter

Posted by David Hardy · 9 June 2013 10:26 AM

Clayton Cramer has interesting thoughts. Reports indicate that the shooter had (surprise!) serious mental health issues, which led to his commitment (unknown if it was voluntary or involuntary, but if the latter it's a bar to gun possession and should have flagged him). California has had an "assault weapon ban" since the year he was born, requires all sales to be after a background check since he was a toddler, and banned transfers of larger magazines since he was eleven.

In short, he's an example of why (1) passing gun laws will not affect a murderous mental case and (2) why we really need to fix the mental health system.

...But David, you can't " fix " the mental health system without giving the state a lot more authority to define and act on incarcerating people who aren't a harm to themselves or others. Lotsa Goofies out there. An amongst them, these killers lurk. The shrinks can't tell one from another.

Looking at the shooters name and his photo makes me think Muslim extraction. If you have a swimming pool in your back yard, Davie, and you care about the lives of children, you will fill it in because it kills more children per year that any gun. Remember If It Saves The Life Of One Child.

Basically up till a certain point in the 60's the state had a lot more power along with the family. Problem supposedly was that t was abused like crazy and the liberals along with the ACLU were all going on about how this had to change and neighborhood homes were the solution and voluntary one on one therapy sometimes with drugs was the best answer.
But the reality was that the people did not take their drugs, the families had no power to get them committed, were ignored when the said the person was going to be violent and the upshot was things went from fairly controlled to people who should be institutionalized are not and then they explode.
Psychology/Psych came not tell who will explode and become violent, does not want to admit that and does not listen to the family and close friends because the Psychologist and that ilk know best.

...I was a cop in California from 1971 to 2002. I took many folks in under 5150 W & I Code for treatment and appraisal. Most were released almost immediately by Phych techs. Many were already seeing a shrink, or had been.
...Until the gun grabbers can uninvent guns or heal mental illness, their plans will come to nought. It's all illusion and lies on their part.

My fear is that the government will use "mental health" much like the Soviet Union did to lock up and discredit their opponents. He is crazy and was locked up, so why listen to him? She is hysterical and needed to be hospitalized. It is "for their own good."

And after seeing the abuses by the "non-political" IRS, lies by the State Department, and [b]Domestic[/b] Spying by the NSA, I am losing what little faith I had in the government.