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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Riley's speech was like when your Dad gives you an over bearing speech in high school about where you need to go in life. Gilbert's letter was like the guy at the bar with the tribal tattoo who keeps calling you bro and telling you to fight him.

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The letter/website issue was explained (Windhorst?)

The letter had actually been taken down years ago for the Cavs web site, but the URL redirected to an NBA archive site, and it had remained active.

Thus there was no way to find the letter or navigate to it in any logical manner, but if you somehow had saved the original url, you could paste it in and go to the letter. It's not likely that many people accessed it that way.

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"The Letter" included words like "cowardly" and "traitor." Those are fighting words. Riley's speech was blowhardish, but not enough to fight over

Yeah, Pat The Rat's rant was classic Riley. That's who he is, and if Lebron doesn't understand by now that Riley has that sort of ego then he hasn't been paying attention. It was a challenge from a guy who has won 8 championships as a player, coach, and executive. That's who he is. Gilbert OTOH has done nothing to earn anyone's respect. His letter was laced with harsh name calling and generally came across as the ramblings of a lunatic.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

The letter had actually been taken down years ago for the Cavs web site, but the URL redirected to an NBA archive site, and it had remained active.

Thus there was no way to find the letter or navigate to it in any logical manner, but if you somehow had saved the original url, you could paste it in and go to the letter. It's not likely that many people accessed it that way.

That is way different! So if you had it as a favorite, it still worked basically but wasn't linked from the site in any way. Thats really just poor WEB management more than anything. Not defending Gilbert or the letter, but the report originally acted like he intentionally had it out there as brash statement that he stood behind kinda thing.

Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

"The Letter" included words like "cowardly" and "traitor." Those are fighting words. Riley's speech was blowhardish, but not enough to fight over

the bolded part probably struck a nerve though: Riley seems to say that anyone who leaves lacks guts, shows that they're (not) made of, and is running away while passing blame on other people.

“This stuff is hard,” Riley said. “And you’ve got to stay together if you got the guts. And you don’t find the first door and run out of it. We’ll find out what we’re made of here. It’s not about options. It’s not about free agency. There’s just looking around the room now and finding out who’s going to stand up. This is time that you go home and take care of yourself and look at yourself and what are you going to do to come back and make the team better? Because we have a tremendous opportunity here for long-term success. But don’t think we’re not going to get beat again. So, just get a grip, everybody. That’s my message. That’s my message to the players. They’re hearing it right now. I’m sure they’ll hear it. We’ll make sure of it. You deal with it by doing what you have to do to make yourself better by taking accountability for yourself and your own actions and not laying it off on something else or somebody else.”

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He is......but you can be an arrogant douche when you achieve what he has. Riley wouldn't be Riley if he wasn't an arrogant douche. That's part of the package, and the ultimate result is a history of winning.

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He is......but you can be an arrogant douche when you achieve what he has. Riley wouldn't be Riley if he wasn't an arrogant douche. That's part of the package, and the ultimate result is a history of winning.

I am an arrogant douche without doing any of that. Anyone can be one, it's just if you have accomplished things people tend to be more willing to overlook it.

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I, for one, am hoping that Lebron stays with Miami. It bothers me that the Cavs' fans want him back so desperately after how badly Lebron screwed them over. Their was a local Cleveland congressman on CNN that said he is happily willing to "forgive" and "forget". I can't respect a fan base willing to embrace someone back like Lebron James. I could understand if the Miami decision didn't work out, but the exact opposite happened. 4 finals and 2 championships with another team is a highly successful run. Lebron could have, in theory, made that same run the past four years with Cleveland. James single-handedly robbed Cleveland of four years of possible championships. The fans burned his jersey, rained him with boos when he returned, trashed his name, and now everything is cool again? I'm not one to harbor grudges, but what Lebron did wasn't cool, and the "it was just business" excuse is complete nonsense.

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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

the bolded part probably struck a nerve though: Riley seems to say that anyone who leaves lacks guts, shows that they're (not) made of, and is running away while passing blame on other people.

“This stuff is hard,” Riley said. “And you’ve got to stay together if you got the guts. And you don’t find the first door and run out of it. We’ll find out what we’re made of here."

We already know what Riley is made of. ********. Entirely full of it. Completely "Do as I say, no as I do".

I can't wait until he gets what he has coming to him.

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If LeBron screws over Cleveland yet again, Pacers fans are back in the mainstream! It seems like we've kept on disliking the guy intensely, while just about everyone else (including Cleveland fans!) have softened up by an amazing amount in the last 4 years. Well, except for Skip Bayless.

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I, for one, am hoping that Lebron stays with Miami. It bothers me that the Cavs' fans want him back so desperately after how badly Lebron screwed them over. Their was a local Cleveland congressman on CNN that said he is happily willing to "forgive" and "forget". I can't respect a fan base willing to embrace someone back like Lebron James. I could understand if the Miami decision didn't work out, but the exact opposite happened. 4 finals and 2 championships with another team is a highly successful run. Lebron could have, in theory, made that same run the past four years with Cleveland. James single-handedly robbed Cleveland of four years of possible championships. The fans burned his jersey, rained him with boos when he returned, trashed his name, and now everything is cool again? I'm not one to harbor grudges, but what Lebron did wasn't cool, and the "it was just business" excuse is complete nonsense.

LOL. Ya know....if he had did what he did to Cavs fans, to Knicks fans..........

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If LeBron screws over Cleveland yet again, Pacers fans are back in the mainstream! It seems like we've kept on disliking the guy intensely, while just about everyone else (including Cleveland fans!) have softened up by an amazing amount in the last 4 years. Well, except for Skip Bayless.

Bulls fans don't like him either.

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If LeBron screws over Cleveland yet again, Pacers fans are back in the mainstream! It seems like we've kept on disliking the guy intensely, while just about everyone else (including Cleveland fans!) have softened up by an amazing amount in the last 4 years. Well, except for Skip Bayless.

Skip will never come around to Lebron. It's part of his contrived gimmick, to rip great players every other reporter gushes over. Skip is also comically over critical of NFL superstars Andrew Luck and Aaron Rogers

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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

Riley's speech was like when your Dad gives you an over bearing speech in high school about where you need to go in life. Gilbert's letter was like the guy at the bar with the tribal tattoo who keeps calling you bro and telling you to fight him.

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Pacers' fans don't like James because we know the game of basketball. Lebron has to cheat by flopping, which has no place in basketball. A player as talented as Lebron shouldn't have to resort to cheating in order to win games. Other markets can be fooled by the SportsCenter highlights and biased commentary. That stuff doesn't fly in Indiana

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