Trouble logging in?If you can't remember your password or are having trouble logging in, you will have to reset your password. If you have trouble resetting your password (for example, if you lost access to the original email address), please do not start posting with a new account, as this is against the forum rules. If you create a temporary account, please contact us right away via Forum Support, and send us any information you can about your original account, such as the account name and any email address that may have been associated with it.

A quote from Darknemo2000:
NTR - short for Netorare. A Japanese term to mark sort of Adultery/Cheating. Just that in Netorare's case the girl does not has to be main characters wife.

NTR games try to play off the frustration of the reader/player who sees the girl being taken away by the guy who is not main character, while main character does not know and continues to dream about love or finds out in the worst kind of way (sees his dream girl/girlfriend/wife banging the other guy).

I just watch the raw and finish it. Entirely hard to follow with heavy dialogue. Most of the time I don't know what's happening but shinobu is plain awesome but then again those people who notice the bandage are also awesome. When I read that part I tried to re-watch but I can't find it until I go frame by frame...... totally beyond understanding. Nice choice of underwear.

After watching this don't you feel like Araragi reverse NTR Hanakawa by going out with Senjougahara? And if you don't just wait until Kizu.

Well, the reality of how much Hanekawa likes Araragi hit after seeing the crying scene (and Prince thing), but without Kizu, I've never really felt any romantic tension between them. Araragi too keeps trying to reject the idea of Hanekawa in love with him. I'm really curious how he felt about Hanekawa during Kizu.

I just watch the raw and finish it. Entirely hard to follow with heavy dialogue. Most of the time I don't know what's happening but shinobu is plain awesome but then again those people who notice the bandage are also awesome. When I read that part I tried to re-watch but I can't find it until I go frame by frame...... totally beyond understanding. Nice choice of underwear.

So basically what happened was...

Spoiler:

First off Araragi has a hard time believing Hanekawa loves him.

The cat convinces him of it, finally (didn't quite understand the dialogue during the flashback to spring break though).

Whole thing with how she supported him when he started going out with Senjougahara, but in reality that just made Hanekawa feel worse.

Araragi still doesn't believe that he's the only cause of stress. I didn't fully catch the cat's explanation.

Too lazy to go through the segment again but at some point in the above exchange the cat says "So you've never seriously loved anyone since the day you were born?" or sth along those lines. Also, "If you're kind to everyone, that means nobody in particular is special."

So anyway the cat's like, "So why don't you just go out with Master? Don't you owe her your life?" and Araragi's like, "No, that would just be taking advantage of her. No... that's just a convenient excuse. In reality, I can't deny my feelings for Senjougahara. For the first time in my life, I've seriously fallen in love with a person."

Then his speech, from memory, was something like...

"What you just told me, should have been said to me by Hanekawa herself. She's made you do her dirty work. Your appearance is just a manifestation of Hanekawa's own weakness. After all, there must be other people who, in the same circumstances as her, got through it without relying on Oddities or anything. Hanekawa's reliance on you is an insult to those people."

Then Neko's like, "You sure do talk. Well, you do have the right to. You're the kind of person who would sacrifice his own body to save a vampire on the verge of death."

Then we get the weird sequence where Araragi is talking to the Sawarineko in Hanekawa's body as if it was the first episode. Araragi says he might have been too harsh with what he said about Hanekawa, because of what Hanekawa mentioned about the vampire's powers of "miryoku" (I think gg's episode 13 calls it "charisma"). He says maybe she fell in love with him because he had that magical charming vampire aura.

The cat says that charisma wouldn't make people fall in love with you, it'd just create obedient puppets, and besides, a half-baked vampire like Araragi can't use charisma.

"All those girls you keep running into, do they absolutely obey your every word?"

*flashback showing the 5 main heroines*

"... nope, not a single one."

So then the cat's like "There is one more way to seal me, without relying on vampires. You. Move those feet. Get under that streetlight over there."

"Is here okay?"

"Eh, move a little forward. You won't get a clear shadow standing there."

*commercial break!*

So then of course the cat attacks him and starts sucking Araragi's life force, saying, "If you're the cause of Master's stress, if I get rid of you, then she'd have no reason to be stressed anymore." and adds that he should have killed Hanekawa's parents last time.

Araragi's all ready to give up, saying, "If it's for Hanekawa, the person to whom I owe my life, then I'd even die" but then suddenly he remembers Hitagi and he's like, "Wait, if the cat kills me, then Senjougahara would definitely kill Hanekawa! I can't let that happen!" so he starts struggling again.

But then the cat starts choking him and it's like, well fuck.

Then the cat's like, "Or are you perhaps going to seek rescue from somebody?"

And then Araragi says something I didn't quite get, something like, "People can only save themselves."

And the cat's like, "But those are just words. The question is, what do you really believe? What about all those other people you've helped? Would one of them come save you?"

And then Araragi thinks back on those people and he says to himself, "They'd be sad, wouldn't they? Hanekawa... Senjougahara... Kanbaru... Sengoku... even Hachikuji... if perhaps..." and the onscreen text says "If, perhaps, I were to die."

And he manages to croak out, "Help me, Shinobu."

And the scene that follows is self-explanatory.

And after Hanekawa's back to normal, still half-unconscious, she mumbles, "Araragi-kun, don't say depressing things like, 'My obligation to you as my savior is more important than our friendship.'" And Araragi's like, "Yeah, okay."

So then Kanbaru who was passing by helps them get home, the next day Araragi drops by Oshino's to return Shinobu but he's gone.

Hanekawa's back to normal but Araragi still doesn't know how much she remembers. "That's a question I'll have to ask her someday... but that day isn't today. She still needs time to organize her thoughts and feelings."

He runs into Senjougahara at the bike parking lot, she tells him, "You're in charge of our next date. Don't take me somewhere weird or I'll skin you alive."

Araragi narrates, "That's just what I wanted to hear. This time I'll show her my special treasure. And besides... we've got to go eat crab one of these days."

After school they go with Hanekawa and Kanbaru to Oshino's place and look around. He recalls how Oshino said, "One day I might disappear without a trace. I won't do so without giving some word of farewell, though," and Araragi thinks, "Those very words, weren't they his farewell speech?"

So then finally Araragi narrates, what was it? Something like, "I'll probably encounter more Oddities from now on. After all, in this world, there are shadows, and there are things living in those shadows. Like the one living in my shadow, for example.

"Also, for the cultural festival... our class is putting on... a haunted house."

(haunted house = o bake yashiki, same bake as in Bakemonogatari)

And that was basically what happened this episode, as far as I understood it.

I still can't get how Araragi thinks Hitagi could kill Hanekawa. Kanbaru wouldn't fight back, because she loves Hitagi, but c'mon. Hanekawa's stress would rise up and Black Hanekawa would come out and just kill Hitagi. I mean geez, I think Hitagi's strength is a little bit exaggerated.

I still can't get how Araragi thinks Hitagi could kill Hanekawa. Kanbaru wouldn't fight back, because she loves Hitagi, but c'mon. Hanekawa's stress would rise up and Black Hanekawa would come out and just kill Hitagi. I mean geez, I think Hitagi's strength is a little bit exaggerated.

You're assuming Hitagi would give her a chance to fight back. While Hanekawa totally outclasses her in the intelligence department, Hitagi is far better at strategy and would probably be able to set up some kind of trap to kill her before she even knew she was a target.

As for the episode itself, all I can say is finally. I'd been ignoring all things Bakemonogatari except for the periodic emails from Amazon Japan informing me that the last BD was delayed yet again. I'd actually forgotten a lot of the details so it was a nice refresher. I was hoping for an actual opening instead of the crap they used before...

P.S. I see that omimon is still going strong with his anti-Hitagi propaganda.

You're assuming Hitagi would give her a chance to fight back. While Hanekawa totally outclasses her in the intelligence department, Hitagi is far better at strategy and would probably be able to set up some kind of trap to kill her before she even knew she was a target.

As for the episode itself, all I can say is finally. I'd been ignoring all things Bakemonogatari except for the periodic emails from Amazon Japan informing me that the last BD was delayed yet again. I'd actually forgotten a lot of the details so it was a nice refresher. I was hoping for an actual opening instead of the crap they used before...

P.S. I see that omimon is still going strong with his anti-Hitagi propaganda.

HA! Looks like someone here remembers all my past "campaigning." Either way I do agree that Hitagi can kill Tsubasa before her stress builds up enough.

However, it doesn't matter what happens since Shinobu is the clear winner at the end. Hitagi can wrinkle up and die an old woman while those two vampires can stay young forever. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

There is no cheating as long as they don't confess with each other. IMO

Cheating is not the same as NTR, it would be not cheating thats for sure but since NTR gained broader meaning than cheating then the no-confession and no-couple can be a NTR if the frustration is played out (in such case it is usually about missed chance and about breaking the dream).

So yep it can fully be NTR. or else you would be saying that one of the most infamous NTR H anime/eroge True Blue is not an NTR (as the the guy and the girl never confesssed to each other) which would be pretty much retarded.

Cheating is not the same as NTR, it would be not cheating thats for sure but since NTR gained broader meaning than cheating then the no-confession and no-couple can be a NTR if the frustration is played out (in such case it is usually about missed chance and about breaking the dream).

So yep it can fully be NTR. or else you would be saying that one of the most infamous NTR H anime/eroge True Blue is not an NTR (as the the guy and the girl never confesssed to each other) which would be pretty much retarded.

You have to understand that NTR has broader meaning than cheating.

In short, you're saying that it's NTR if the frustration occur, huh?

Then I doubt that using adultery/cheating is a good description for such word.

Alright, I'll be the first one to say this right now, Shinobu's "clothing" choice is very superb. BTW to understand what I mean you need to have a "very" close eye.

Spammed my spacebar after reading that and saw that piece of first-aid kit. I wasn't too impressed with this episode probably because of the wait. If memory serves correct, ep14 was delayed and ep15 was delayed a further 4 months.

That said, there is never enough of Senjougahara. :P It was a great ride, would have been even better if Shaft could have kept to schedule (wait, do they even have one? )