i sound like this in your ears :)i did not put the question in the terms you rephrase it.and i also did not state that i spell a definite truth.

there is no truth without real communication first.if you want to have a constructive conversation, please do.and if you do not think that is a good place to start one, it is ok with me.choose another perspective and put forward something from where we can start.

i sound like this in your ears :)i did not put the question in the terms you rephrase it.and i also did not state that i spell a definite truth.

there is no truth without real communication first.if you want to have a constructive conversation, please do.and if you do not think that is a good place to start one, it is ok with me.choose another perspective and put forward something from where we can start.

Quoting: andreidita

i understand, and yeah, i did have a bit of leeway with your words. the revolution thing is something i've been thinking about lately and thought it kind of fit the conversation.

nonetheless, the choice of absolutely this vs. absolutely that seems fraught with problems in and of itself.

some view free will as absolute and believe that it gives them the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want, to anyone they want, any way they want - all under the auspice of 'free will'.

others view rules as necessary and want to pile more and more rules on top of rules - under the guise of 'safety'.

Offhand and without thinking this through very clearly, I think a combination of both concepts would be my preference.

One question about the first scenario: "you need to respect basic rules which are devised for your own good" ------ Who decides?

Quoting: Ralph--a house dog

'higher power' ?

after all is this not the option that any religious believer chooses?to follow external rules established by 'higher powers', which if one follows successfully one attains a happy life?

the mother which knows what is better for her child.the shaman which knows what is better for his community.

who knows what is better for humanity?humanity may play the wise role of care-taker for lesser ones (i.e. animals)but humanity is also a child in terms of the infinity of consciousnesswhose guiding should it follow?

i understand, and yeah, i did have a bit of leeway with your words. the revolution thing is something i've been thinking about lately and thought it kind of fit the conversation.

nonetheless, the choice of absolutely this vs. absolutely that seems fraught with problems in and of itself.

some view free will as absolute and believe that it gives them the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want, to anyone they want, any way they want - all under the auspice of 'free will'.

others view rules as necessary and want to pile more and more rules on top of rules - under the guise of 'safety'.

imo, neither is any way to live.

Quoting: Neoanderthal Man

i totally agree with this.

absolutism is indeed a big problem. and any idea one tries to grasp, if it's taken from an absolutist stance it leads to extremes.

at a base level 'absolutism' is still a rule followed by many in thinking.

golden rule is by far a better replacement.

this you can see by the way conversations happen in general.each individual has an inner abstract world-view in which he is immersed. each word he uses is attached to some specific understanding/concept.words are only tools to make exchanges of abstract ideas between inner world-views.many get a word/phrase uttered by another and transpose it literally in their own inner world-view. and answer based on how that idea fits in their world-view.but this is not true communication. this is speaking in your own bubble and never getting to the real meaning that word carried.you might as well say it is yet another kind of Absolutism.

if you apply the golden rule, then it follow that any word/phrase uttered by another, you have first to make an effort to understand the specific meaning it is assigned to those words, not to automatically presuppose that they carry the same meaning you assign to them. only after such successful translation, one can work upon the idea received in his inner world-view, and then formulating an answer spelled in such a way that it fits in the world-view of another

Nevertheless, at deeper levels the power of karma is an awesome thing to behold, even with a clear conscience. And eventually, the limits of self-appreciation are reached.

There's a very good reason why all Saints are humble.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

you have a fine logic, sir :)when i was dying, there was one part in me that feared that, but it was quite faint in comparison with another part which was searching desperately for the way to fulfill what i perceived so clear in those moments as always being the mission.the first part i like to call the little ego.the second i like to call the soul. and that part knows no fear.

Nevertheless, at deeper levels the power of karma is an awesome thing to behold, even with a clear conscience. And eventually, the limits of self-appreciation are reached.

There's a very good reason why all Saints are humble.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

you have a fine logic, sir :)when i was dying, there was one part in me that feared that, but it was quite faint in comparison with another part which was searching desperately for the way to fulfill what i perceived so clear in those moments as always being the mission.the first part i like to call the little ego.the second i like to call the soul. and that part knows no fear.

Quoting: andreidita

To have had the good fortune to examine your mind while faced with death is rare, and incredibly valuable. Usually the mind panics at such a time. But to be able to watch the process like you did reveals the distinction you observed - a distinction as valuable as a compass on a stormy sea. It is a pearl of great price, and the result of very good karma : )

An interesting thread started by you, loved sister...Will follow and ponder if I have anything valid to share to this...

For now perhaps only this...If you have a choice, chose wisely...Always chose the road which have a heart...

So I guess for me; i have chosen to let my free will be only love and asked Divine Mother and Father to help me see, so that I may only walk loving and sharing steps

Whether succeeded or not, only my spirit may decide

Quoting: 141

can you feel through a mother that comes back home only to see the house in fire and her children not being able to get out?

and if gaia would be the house, and the children would be all the souls born by her. running aimlessly and blindly to their own death, not having any idea to where they go, carried blindly by desires not guided by wisdom.

is it not an infinite sadness to feel when you see this?

true, in the end will be well. it is already better. but we should not forget...such that it will not happen again

An interesting thread started by you, loved sister...Will follow and ponder if I have anything valid to share to this...

For now perhaps only this...If you have a choice, chose wisely...Always chose the road which have a heart...

So I guess for me; i have chosen to let my free will be only love and asked Divine Mother and Father to help me see, so that I may only walk loving and sharing steps

Whether succeeded or not, only my spirit may decide

Quoting: 141

can you feel through a mother that comes back home only to see the house in fire and her children not being able to get out?

and if gaia would be the house, and the children would be all the souls born by her. running aimlessly and blindly to their own death, not having any idea to where they go, carried blindly by desires not guided by wisdom.

is it not an infinite sadness to feel when you see this?

true, in the end will be well. it is already better. but we should not forget...such that it will not happen again

Quoting: andreidita

Yes... It will never be like this againThis time the cut will be clean, there will be none of the lie leftIt saddens me to know that souls which hold on to the lie with no intention of letting go, but it saddens me more to see how the world is today...Was walking at the beach today, so beautiful...And yet so many throw garbage, and I was thinking.. I could easily gather many to help pick up this garbage, but then it occurred to me... We can pick garbage up a thousand times, and it will get polluted again a thousand times...When the tree is ill by the roots it will not help to cut a branch...So that is why it will make sense, to make a clean cut, and have the mirror that goes all the way...For the spirit to decide, whether existence with the soul will be appropriate or not...That is always why we should strenghten our hearts and by our innermost effort try to reach those, still reachable, who still are wearing masks of the lie...

To have had the good fortune to examine your mind while faced with death is rare, and incredibly valuable. Usually the mind panics at such a time. But to be able to watch the process like you did reveals the distinction you observed - a distinction as valuable as a compass on a stormy sea. It is a pearl of great price, and the result of very good karma : )

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

i remember you friend for the nobody/vortex thread.i've read now the 3 days of darkness thread.

all that i experienced during life was from the stance of a child. i stumbled upon explanations only after. to keep me from doubting my experiences.

and i was endowed with a very good logical mind, and i seemed to have polished it to perfection, and i had the great honor to rise above it, and to see its tricks.

only then consciousness moved to the heart/soul.

and all this wonders were experienced with the same wonder of the child.

the child is speaking now. because the child is tired to play only the role of old and wise. he still has questions, though he does not crave for answers anymore. it's just the fun of sharing and mirroring in other's words.

one night after reading some stories, my mind made so many clicks that it was pretty well fired up in high frequencies.and when i went to bed at dawn, i closed my eyes, and in that orange light upon my closed eyes i saw a dot. somehow i could focused upon it, and it enlarged and became like a small vortex. and i was hyper-awake. and, then i went through it or better i was drawn through it. and i found myself in some kind of space with electric blue nebualae connected with many chords. i thought to myself whether i see my own neurons or the universe. i never went to far, after a few second i was losing focus, getting back on this side. i've gone there for a few times, until a voice in me said it is enough for then.

To have had the good fortune to examine your mind while faced with death is rare, and incredibly valuable. Usually the mind panics at such a time. But to be able to watch the process like you did reveals the distinction you observed - a distinction as valuable as a compass on a stormy sea. It is a pearl of great price, and the result of very good karma : )

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

i remember you friend for the nobody/vortex thread.i've read now the 3 days of darkness thread.

all that i experienced during life was from the stance of a child. i stumbled upon explanations only after. to keep me from doubting my experiences.

and i was endowed with a very good logical mind, and i seemed to have polished it to perfection, and i had the great honor to rise above it, and to see its tricks.

only then consciousness moved to the heart/soul.

and all this wonders were experienced with the same wonder of the child.

the child is speaking now. because the child is tired to play only the role of old and wise. he still has questions, though he does not crave for answers anymore. it's just the fun of sharing and mirroring in other's words.

one night after reading some stories, my mind made so many clicks that it was pretty well fired up in high frequencies.and when i went to bed at dawn, i closed my eyes, and in that orange light upon my closed eyes i saw a dot. somehow i could focused upon it, and it enlarged and became like a small vortex. and i was hyper-awake. and, then i went through it or better i was drawn through it. and i found myself in some kind of space with electric blue nebualae connected with many chords. i thought to myself whether i see my own neurons or the universe. i never went to far, after a few second i was losing focus, getting back on this side. i've gone there for a few times, until a voice in me said it is enough for then.

and it's very similar with what i saw, just that it was much more colorful :)

so it kinda made me wonder. and you are wise and at the same time think in abstract concepts. that's why i felt to share this experience with you.

Quoting: andreidita

You've had good experiences. Your careful curiosity makes them even more valuable. Two yogic masters I recommend to you are Yogananda and Muktananda. They are a wealth of knowledge and insight, especially for someone having the depth of experiences you are having.

For example, Yogananda taught that the third eye is actually a kind of mirror, that reflects the medulla oblongata chakra at the base of the skull. Which makes sense if you think a moment, because all of the main chakras run up the spine, so what's the ajna doing in the forehead? Well, it's not - the ajna is in the medulla, and there is a link to it between and above the eyes. He also taught that there were dots within dots, reddish at first and then finally with a blue dot having a five pointed white star in the middle of it.

Muktananda also taught of the dots, which he called Pearls, the final one being the Blue Pearl. He explained that the different colored pearls were your different bodies in their energy forms - physical red, astral white, causal black, supracausal blue. And that when you saw these Pearls or dots, "you" were actually "in" the dot of light, looking back through your physical eyes at yourself in your energy form. But because you are identified with your physical body, you experience the light as external.

Yogananda said that in deep meditation you see the entire physical universe as a ball of energy hanging underneath a bigger ball of energy that is the astral universe, which in turn is hanging underneath an even bigger ball of energy which is the causal universe, the edges of which blend into a sublime light that you gradually experience as your very Self at the same time you experience it as God, and the entirety of creation vanishes into a small point in that infinity. Needless to say, the petty dreams of power of those of this world are seen in their true triviality after such an experience!

In the end though, after all the experiences, the final experience is the realization that the "you" that experienced all these things is what you've been looking for, and not the experiences themselves. Experiences come and go endlessly, but the "you" that witnesses them is joyfully peaceful and wide awake, in the eternal now. And that is true for everyone.

You've had good experiences. Your careful curiosity makes them even more valuable. Two yogic masters I recommend to you are Yogananda and Muktananda. They are a wealth of knowledge and insight, especially for someone having the depth of experiences you are having.

For example, Yogananda taught that the third eye is actually a kind of mirror, that reflects the medulla oblongata chakra at the base of the skull. Which makes sense if you think a moment, because all of the main chakras run up the spine, so what's the ajna doing in the forehead? Well, it's not - the ajna is in the medulla, and there is a link to it between and above the eyes. He also taught that there were dots within dots, reddish at first and then finally with a blue dot having a five pointed white star in the middle of it.

Muktananda also taught of the dots, which he called Pearls, the final one being the Blue Pearl. He explained that the different colored pearls were your different bodies in their energy forms - physical red, astral white, causal black, supracausal blue. And that when you saw these Pearls or dots, "you" were actually "in" the dot of light, looking back through your physical eyes at yourself in your energy form. But because you are identified with your physical body, you experience the light as external.

Yogananda said that in deep meditation you see the entire physical universe as a ball of energy hanging underneath a bigger ball of energy that is the astral universe, which in turn is hanging underneath an even bigger ball of energy which is the causal universe, the edges of which blend into a sublime light that you gradually experience as your very Self at the same time you experience it as God, and the entirety of creation vanishes into a small point in that infinity. Needless to say, the petty dreams of power of those of this world are seen in their true triviality after such an experience!

In the end though, after all the experiences, the final experience is the realization that the "you" that experienced all these things is what you've been looking for, and not the experiences themselves. Experiences come and go endlessly, but the "you" that witnesses them is joyfully peaceful and wide awake, in the eternal now. And that is true for everyone.

Namaste.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534

You would make for a great teacher, brother. It is with great joy that i meet fellow travelers capable o truly listening to the other and investing the effort to share of his own knowledge in the best interest of the other.