I'm sick and tired of being told to prove that there is no god. - Atheist Nexus2018-05-24T20:20:13Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/i-m-sick-and-tired-of-being-told-to-prove-that-there-is-no-god?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2066304&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPerzactly!!! Believers have t…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-04-03:2182797:Comment:22049812013-04-03T07:54:21.263Ztom sarbeckhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TomSarbeck
<p>Perzactly!!! Believers have to do the proving.</p>
<p>As Sagan said, people who make big claims need big proofs.</p>
<p>I sometimes paraphrase Voltaire and say, "Doncha know religion is the biggest of all possible frauds?"</p>
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<p>Perzactly!!! Believers have to do the proving.</p>
<p>As Sagan said, people who make big claims need big proofs.</p>
<p>I sometimes paraphrase Voltaire and say, "Doncha know religion is the biggest of all possible frauds?"</p>
<p></p> Just so's we're clear here:
E…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-04-02:2182797:Comment:22048352013-04-02T23:28:50.046ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>Just so's we're clear here:<br></br><br></br></p>
<p><i>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.</i> <br></br>~ Marcello Truzzi<br></br><br></br><i>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.</i> <br></br>~ Carl Sagan<br></br><br></br><i>The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness. <br></br></i>~ Pierre-Simon Laplace<br></br><br></br>And while I think about it:<br></br><br></br></p>
<p><i>What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.</i><br></br>~ Christopher…</p>
<p>Just so's we're clear here:<br/><br/></p>
<p><i>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.</i> <br/>~ Marcello Truzzi<br/><br/><i>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.</i> <br/>~ Carl Sagan<br/><br/><i>The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness. <br/></i>~ Pierre-Simon Laplace<br/><br/>And while I think about it:<br/><br/></p>
<p><i>What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.</i><br/>~ Christopher Hitchens</p> Seems to me, you don't have t…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-04-02:2182797:Comment:22047412013-04-02T22:56:40.001ZJames M. Martinhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesMMartin
<p>Seems to me, you don't have to prove there is no god. The believers are the ones making spectacular claims. They should be the ones to come forth with spectacular proof.</p>
<p>Seems to me, you don't have to prove there is no god. The believers are the ones making spectacular claims. They should be the ones to come forth with spectacular proof.</p> I see no burden of proof, but…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-04-02:2182797:Comment:22046242013-04-02T13:34:29.052ZMichael Pennhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DennisMichaelPennington
<p>I see no burden of proof, but Christians claim there is one. It's absurd. Their "reliable evidence" is the Bible, those 66 books all stitched together into one volume of "infallibility." This is the message to mankind. Now just take that first book Genesis and you see plainly that the "message" is so flawed that it's total bullshit. Original sin because of a tree of knowledge. It makes no sense to most modern day clergymen but they cannot throw it out because doing so makes them and religion…</p>
<p>I see no burden of proof, but Christians claim there is one. It's absurd. Their "reliable evidence" is the Bible, those 66 books all stitched together into one volume of "infallibility." This is the message to mankind. Now just take that first book Genesis and you see plainly that the "message" is so flawed that it's total bullshit. Original sin because of a tree of knowledge. It makes no sense to most modern day clergymen but they cannot throw it out because doing so makes them and religion no longer needed. If you have no "sin" then you have no reason to have a "redeemer." I do not have to prove that "there is no God" but I do say that if the "message" is so flawed then it follows logic thinking to say there is no "messenger." In other words, God does not want to talk to you and did not write instructions in a book! Christian apologists throughout the ages turn original sin into SEX. If you take the forbidden fruit literally then it must have been oral sex. Just on and on with more absurdity. No message - no messenger!</p> Who the hell told you that Ri…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-19:2182797:Comment:21037002012-11-19T00:49:17.520ZMike Hungerfordhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MikeHungerford
<p>Who the hell told you that Richard Nixon was a Conservative of <em>any</em> kind, Tom? </p>
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<p>-- Never mind, rhetorical question, I already know it's an all-too-common <strong>mis</strong>-perception...</p>
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<p>Want me to run through the litany?</p>
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<p>OSHA, expansion of Medicaid, wage and price controls, cut a horrendously bad deal with North Vietnam for completely personal political reasons, scuttled the Apollo Program and nearly destroyed NASA in the process (and…</p>
<p>Who the hell told you that Richard Nixon was a Conservative of <em>any</em> kind, Tom? </p>
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<p>-- Never mind, rhetorical question, I already know it's an all-too-common <strong>mis</strong>-perception...</p>
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<p>Want me to run through the litany?</p>
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<p>OSHA, expansion of Medicaid, wage and price controls, cut a horrendously bad deal with North Vietnam for completely personal political reasons, scuttled the Apollo Program and nearly destroyed NASA in the process (and yes, infrastructure <em>is</em> a legitimate function of government), the removal of gold backing from the Dollar, thereby creating a nearly hyper-inflationary spiral for a decade (and if you'd care to see what <em><strong>real</strong> hyper-inflation is about</em>, you'll only have about a year to wait), rationing, rather than facilitating production in the face of the OPEC oil embargo...</p>
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<p>Of course as you have already noted, there is what was probably his crowning atrocity, the Environmental Protection Agency.</p>
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<p>Watergate was the least of it. </p>
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<p>I could continue, but not without becoming violently nauseous.</p>
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<p>The bastard was a consummate Fabian Socialist, a complete frickin' disaster, and I know of no one happier than I was when he resigned in 1974.</p>
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<p>Hell, I still don't understand why the Left didn't worship him, or why Conservatives continue to try to defend him.</p>
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<p>But we've kind of hijacked his thread here, and we're off subject.</p>
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<p>If you'd care to take this over to the Politics venue and continue this, well then, I'm game. </p>
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<p>I didn't realize I had entered into a competition, but I was the nine-year-old who asked old Father O'Brian (I shit you not, that was his name) in front of Sister Kasmir and about thirty classmates how we could really know there was a God.</p>
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<p>Left every jaw in the room on the floor.</p>
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<p>Laughed my ass off too -- at least 'til I got home...</p>
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<p></p> Hm-mm, wasn't it Nixon who si…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-18:2182797:Comment:21036142012-11-18T23:41:15.532Ztom sarbeckhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TomSarbeck
<p>Hm-mm, wasn't it Nixon who signed the Environmental Protection Act? He was a different kind of conservative.</p>
<p>I'm competing in the inveterate iconoclast contest too. My credentials:</p>
<p>1. An ex-Catholic who questions all authorities and trashes most,</p>
<p>2. A life-long independent (dad a Dem and mom a Repub) whose work required him to move often and who for decades registered with whichever party regularly won general elections so I could help that party choose a…</p>
<p>Hm-mm, wasn't it Nixon who signed the Environmental Protection Act? He was a different kind of conservative.</p>
<p>I'm competing in the inveterate iconoclast contest too. My credentials:</p>
<p>1. An ex-Catholic who questions all authorities and trashes most,</p>
<p>2. A life-long independent (dad a Dem and mom a Repub) whose work required him to move often and who for decades registered with whichever party regularly won general elections so I could help that party choose a candidate,</p>
<p>3. In 1974 the only moderate in the Repub primary for the AZ legislature (I liked Dem voters more than I did the grumpy Repub voters),</p>
<p>4. Who became a Dem activist when Reagan brought evangels into the Party,</p>
<p>5. Who says Al Gore and the Dems lost Florida in 2000, Gore for not stealing any of Nader's issues and the Dems for not knowing the race would be close (thanks in part to the Repub SecState who took the vote away from thousands of blacks),</p>
<p>6. Who says Dems refuse to see that taxes laid on businesses are added to customer prices,</p>
<p>7. Who says Dems lied us into war in VN and Repubs lied us into war in Iraq, and</p>
<p>8. Will register Green when that party gets serious and runs local and state candidates.</p>
<p>Mike, go deeper than the top of your head and you might win the inveterate iconoclast contest.</p>
<p></p> Quote, from Tom Sarbeck:
I d…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-18:2182797:Comment:21032792012-11-18T09:40:42.303ZMike Hungerfordhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MikeHungerford
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I do have one question: how iconoclastic is an iconoclast as inveterate as any I'll ever meet?<br />
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Well, off the top of my head, there's the fact that that I'm a life-long, very Conservative Republican who takes an almost perverse pleasure in trashing Richard Nixon any time the opportunity presents (guarantee that doesn't score me any popularity points among my Conservative peers).<br />
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That tell you anything?
Quote, from Tom Sarbeck:<br />
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I do have one question: how iconoclastic is an iconoclast as inveterate as any I'll ever meet?<br />
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Well, off the top of my head, there's the fact that that I'm a life-long, very Conservative Republican who takes an almost perverse pleasure in trashing Richard Nixon any time the opportunity presents (guarantee that doesn't score me any popularity points among my Conservative peers).<br />
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That tell you anything? Mike, I envy your post's clar…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-18:2182797:Comment:21034332012-11-18T09:26:41.227Ztom sarbeckhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TomSarbeck
<p>Mike, I envy your post's clarity. I followed your reasoning as pleasurably as I follow music I like.</p>
<p>I was one of five kids my dad sent to Catholic schools. While in them I knew I had only one cheek tp turn but the thought of there being no god didn't enter my awareness. Before my dad died (35 yrs ago) he knew we had all left the faith, which I came to see as a nice revenge.</p>
<p>I do have one question: how iconoclastic is an iconoclast as inveterate as any I'll ever…</p>
<p>Mike, I envy your post's clarity. I followed your reasoning as pleasurably as I follow music I like.</p>
<p>I was one of five kids my dad sent to Catholic schools. While in them I knew I had only one cheek tp turn but the thought of there being no god didn't enter my awareness. Before my dad died (35 yrs ago) he knew we had all left the faith, which I came to see as a nice revenge.</p>
<p>I do have one question: how iconoclastic is an iconoclast as inveterate as any I'll ever meet?</p>
<p></p> Thank you, Joan.
I generally…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-18:2182797:Comment:21030132012-11-18T05:28:36.930ZMike Hungerfordhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MikeHungerford
Thank you, Joan.<br />
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I generally give people some time to get to know me before I quietly let them know that I'm not a religious man.<br />
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That's usually the way I phrase it.<br />
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Almost invariably, it takes them a minute or two to absorb that, and then I'll get a quizzical look that says; 'You can't be'...<br />
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Rarely though, do I have anyone try to argue with me.<br />
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You gotta' earn their respect first, and then leave them flummoxed.<br />
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The best teaching aid will always be a good example...
Thank you, Joan.<br />
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I generally give people some time to get to know me before I quietly let them know that I'm not a religious man.<br />
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That's usually the way I phrase it.<br />
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Almost invariably, it takes them a minute or two to absorb that, and then I'll get a quizzical look that says; 'You can't be'...<br />
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Rarely though, do I have anyone try to argue with me.<br />
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You gotta' earn their respect first, and then leave them flummoxed.<br />
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The best teaching aid will always be a good example... Mike, I very much like your a…tag:atheistnexus.org,2012-11-18:2182797:Comment:21032672012-11-18T04:51:33.867ZJoan Denoohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JoanDenoo
<p>Mike, I very much like your answer, especially, "<span>All I had to do was to conduct my life in as ethical a manner as I could (thereby giving lie to the contention that Atheists are incapable of ethical behavior) and leave them to their ignorance."<br></br>That makes good sense to me and an option that leaves the dispute dangling with no one trying to convert another. <br></br>If I am asked a questions, I answer as honestly as I can. If a creationist attempts to bring Intelligent Design into the…</span></p>
<p>Mike, I very much like your answer, especially, "<span>All I had to do was to conduct my life in as ethical a manner as I could (thereby giving lie to the contention that Atheists are incapable of ethical behavior) and leave them to their ignorance."<br/>That makes good sense to me and an option that leaves the dispute dangling with no one trying to convert another. <br/>If I am asked a questions, I answer as honestly as I can. If a creationist attempts to bring Intelligent Design into the science classroom, I take a strong ground and refer them to history or sociology or comparative religion. <br/>All we need to do is be clear about what we believe and go from there. </span></p>
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