God 0 – atheism 5 ?

We all like to think we’re right in our beliefs, whether it be about God, politics or how our football team can play better. The interesting thing is how strongly we can disagree.

A while back I came across an old newspaper column by an atheist, titled The five best reasons not to believe in God, a clever title because it implies that the author has many other reasons not to believe, but he’s just giving us the best ones.

So I was interested to check it out to see how good the best reasons were. Is it really God 0 – atheism 5?

0. Religion makes people do appalling things

It turns out he slips a sixth reason into his introduction, so I’d better look at this one too. He doesn’t expand on this simple statement, but we all know what he’s referring to – religion leads to wars, terrorism, fundamentalism, bigotry, persecution, etc, doesn’t it?

Assessment

Well, there’s no denying that religious people have done some appalling things, sometimes because of their religion, and sometimes just because they were people who chose to do appalling things.

But the question is, do religious people do more appalling things than non-religious people?

We all have our impressions, but we need evidence. Here’s some facts I’ve uncovered:

Religion isn’t the main cause of wars. Several comprehensive research studies show that only about 10% of wars have religion as a major cause – most wars are caused by political issues and perceived injustice. And it appears that more people have been killed by wars started by atheistic regimes than by religious regimes.

It seems that any ideology, be it religious, anti-religious or secular, can motivate people to greater levels of both good and evil. Governments intent on doing evil can use religion, or a secular ideology, to promote their agendas.

So we’d have to conclude that religion doesn’t always do as well as it ought to do (to its shame), but that it is no more likely to lead people to do appalling things than any other ideology, and has many positives too (see #5 below).

1. No evidence

The author begins with this statement: “Most things which we accept, we accept on the basis of proof.” He goes on to point out that proof may not always be “rock solid”, but argues that religion is believed with “no proof at all”. “There is no evidence that God exists.”

The only type of “evidence” he addresses is personal experience, which he dismisses as “anecdotal” and worthless because it “can’t be repeated under test conditions”.

He concludes with this “Fact: no-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.”

Assessment

I think the author confuses “evidence” and “proof”. Very few things can be proven. Most science is established within confidence limits (i.e. it is probably true) and is always subject to change as further information is received. Other, often more important, aspects of life, such as right and wrong, politics, relationships and worldview, are matters of judgment, and can at best only be established as most likely.

So his final statement of fact is not really a fact at all. It is his opinion, no doubt deeply felt, but still opinion, and it cannot be proven. If he wants to call it a fact, he has to offer compelling evidence, which he doesn’t do. As it is, I disagree with him. That is my opinion. Neither of our opinions are facts.

But we can test each of our contrary opinions by asking, which view, atheism or theism, explains more of the world? Which one best fits with what we know about the universe and life? Which best explains the evidence we have?

There is a lot of what I think is evidence for God that he doesn’t discuss. And it is evidence that seems to me to be hard to explain if atheism is true, and easier to explain if theism is true.

Without a God, I have never seen a convincing explanation for how a whole universe could come into existence with all its parameters set within fine limits to allow stars, planets and life to form. (Existing from eternity is even harder to believe, especially as an infinitely old universe would have infinitely run down by now.) But creation by God explains it well.

If naturalism is true (i.e. no supernatural God), humans are just smart animals, without freewill, with no objective ethics, with our thinking determined by our brain chemistry rather than by logic, and with no explanation for our conscious self. Yet we experience all these things. Atheism can’t put our experience and our science together, but theism can.

The author writes off human experience as “anecdotal”, but what we experience is the only thing we know. If our experience is false, then we can know nothing with any certainty, including science. Atheism has to explain apparent miraculous healings, visions, mystical experience and conversions in psychological terms, making the claim that every last one of the millions of people who report such experiences are delusional, or at least mistaken. Theism takes the experiences seriously, even if we decide that many are not genuine.

The broad sweep of the life and teachings of Jesus are well established by historians, although of course there are plenty of disagreements about the details. In many respects he was a unique individual, the only person who has ever lived who claimed (subtly, to be sure) to be divine, and has convinced millions of people of the truth of his claims. By far the simplest explanation for this historical phenomenon is that he was indeed divine. The lack of a plausible alternative explanation is perhaps illustrated by the movement among some atheists to claim, against the evidence, that he was a myth.

Of course every one of these claims has been contested, and the argument continues. But our author doesn’t even mention most of them. The arguments show that christian theism has good explanations for many facts that atheism struggles to explain, meaning that christian theism is objectively at least plausible, and cannot be so easily dismissed or ignored.

2. It’s illogical

This is really an extension of #1. He mentions that there are arguments that attempt to show that God exists, but he’s not impressed by them, though he accepts he cannot knock them all down.

He dismisses these arguments by saying that the best the God arguments can do is show that God might be the “best available explanation”. But he says such a conclusion is insufficient, he wants proof, and “the existence of God has not been logically proven by anyone, ever.”

Assessment

We at least agree on one thing – we can’t prove that God exists. But like I said before, we can’t prove very much in life at all. However we make important decisions all the time based on what is most likely to be true, even if not certainly proven. So why would anyone choose a less likely option over the most likely option?

It seems to me that he has set up his criteria in such a way that makes it impossible for him to believe. Even if God appeared to him, he could argue (as Richard Dawkins has suggested) that hallucination or delusion would be a more likely explanation than that God actually appeared to him. It seems he has made it virtually impossible for God to convince him unless God took away his free will.

3. The preponderance of suffering

The author references the suffering of children and animals, who can die in any number of terrible ways, and says “a God who was benevolent and loving, as we are told the Christian God is, would never create the world we live in.”

His conclusion is clear. “The existence of suffering is an impossible problem for believers in an all-good, caring God to solve.”

Assessment

I actually agree with him on this one. I agree that the suffering in the world is terrible and inexplicable in a world that a good God created. I cannot explain why it is allowed to happen, though I can see that the gift of free will explains why some suffering is inevitable.

So if this was the only evidence we had, I would agree that this is sufficient reason to doubt that God exists. But it is not the only evidence we have.

I think the evidence I briefly outlined under #1 presents many unanswered questions for the atheist, whereas suffering presents just one unanswerable question for the christian.

Furthermore, suffering is only a moral issue if moral statements are objectively true. But I have never seen how atheism can provide an objectively true morality. So the suffering we see around us is a major problem for theists, but if used as an argument by atheists, it seems like it is based on a logical contradiction.

4. We don’t need him

He recognises that this isn’t actually a reason not to believe. But he says God isn’t necessary to show us right and wrong or explain mysteries, nor to give comfort and meaning – for most of us at least.

Assessment

Clearly we can live life without God. But he doesn’t explain logically how he knows right and wrong, explains mysteries or finds comfort and meaning. It is interesting that he demands proof for God, but not for any of these important aspects of life.

5. Life’s better without him

“Religion is about control and limitation”, he says, so we have more freedom if we are not bound by religious rules. And we have freedom from the nasty aspects of religion such as “suicide bombings, torture, genocide, forced marriages, unwanted babies, war”, etc.

Assessment

There is truth in what he says here. For many, religion is a burden too heavy to bear. Jesus actually said the same.

But he doesn’t address the possibility that the problem is with bad religion rather than with God. That is my view. I think most religions misrepresent God. I believe in Jesus but I think many, perhaps most, churches don’t well represent him and his teachings. It is a crying shame that religion portrays God so badly, but that is no reason to disbelieve in the God that Jesus revealed.

Furthermore, he doesn’t seem to be aware of the facts that:

religion isn’t actually a major cause much of the suffering he accuses it of (e.g. war and terrorism), as I’ve already discussed, and

So he asks for “proof”, but doesn’t seem to be aware of the scientific evidence that indicates he is mistaken on this point. Life is actually better, on a whole lot of measures, with God.

So what’s the score?

Like I said at the start, it is interesting how people can come to such polarised conclusions on the same questions. But I feel we can objectively, based on scientific evidence, reject several of his arguments, and they become positives for God rather than reasons not to believe. And other of his arguments seem to lead to the conclusion that God is at least a better explanation than atheism. Only the problem of suffering seems to work in his favour.

I think the score might something more like God 4 – atheism 1. It may not be the proof he wants, but it is a good bet!

Comments

This is your opening statement, and how I see God, according to the Bible, the Word of God, and Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior:

It turns out he slips a sixth reason into his introduction, so I’d better look at this one too. He doesn’t expand on this simple statement, but we all know what he’s referring to – religion leads to wars, terrorism, fundamentalism, bigotry, persecution, etc, doesn’t it?

Yes, religion does lead to wars! This is the problem today. We would rather listen to man than to God, and that my dear friends is what separates religion from the love of God.

Jesus told us to love our enemies, to pray for them, and to love and forgive them! If we all did that, there would be no war.

To further this concept, please listen very carefully to this:

If EVERYONE on earth believed in Jesus, and kept his commandments (John 14:15), there would be no killing, no war, no poverty, no hatred, no bigotry, and no starving people. JESUS TOLD US, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” How simple this is! Isn’t it!

So, if you really want to solve the world problems, get out there and start telling everyone this simple fact: If you give your life to Jesus, and live as He did, we could all live in a world that is loving, peaceful, and caring for everyone! I do, and it is awesome, my dear friends. I do live in a world that looks very different from this model, but I surround myself with good, Christian, God-loving people! I try to help all the others. I go from door to door and tell them about Jesus, but I do not stop there! I give them information as to where they can go for help of all kinds. I tell them that I am here to help. I tell them where they can go for help, and then I tell them if they need my help, to call me so I can go with them so they can get what they need.

God has supplied ALL MY NEEDS, and then some. I take what I have and share it with those who are not so fortunate. This is my life, and I so love it. My faith in God is what drives me to do what I do. If everyone did this, in our town alone, there would no longer by any homeless people, of which there are about 800 of them.

In closing, through the help of the Holy Spirit of God, I am able to help those in need. I have seen miracles like helping someone who lived under a bridge in town for about three years, took him into our home, and then went to a realtor to help him and another homeless man get an apartment. After we found one, I took them around town, after praying at each stop, and furnished their whole apartment for around $80. Everything that they needed was donated to them. This, my dear friends, is real faith and trust in God.

I do not follow the rules of man and church. We are the church, and the more we put our faith in the one living and true God, the more we can live this life as God planned for us way back in the Garden of Eden.

I hope this makes sense to you; it does for me. I am 70 now and devoting my life totally to loving my Lord and my God and helping those in need. I am tireless, in this calling. When people ask where I get all my energy or all the money that it takes to help so many, I just point Heavenward. I don’t know how God does it, but I know that He does. I guess that is what makes Him God! What blows my mind is that God created and runs the whole universe and still has time and the ability to answer every single prayer of ours! Cool, huh. Yup, that’s my God. Where does your god get you? Are you totally happy with life? I am! As the old signboard and saying says – TRY IT, YOU’LL LIKE IT!

May the love of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you and yours, until we all meet Jesus on Judgment Day! Shalom, peace!

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