I don't agree with the notion that everyone needs to 'get with the times' asap and be openly acceptive of gay marriage.As a Christian, I oppose it on moral grounds but apart from that I also oppose it because of all the potential complications that could arise from gay marriage and the adoption of heterosexual children.For example, if a heterosexual teenager develops a hateful attitude towards homosexuals including towards his gay parents, should the gay parents punish him/her for it? Do they ground the child until they give up their 'hate'? I think it could lead to many cases of angry, unruly children, and many may run away from home.Or I'm sure that gay parents will want to give a kiss and a hug to their adopted heterosexual children from time to time and this may make some of the children uncomfortable even though it would be just a sign of love and affection.Gay marriage will likely create new family dynamics that have never been dealth with before. I'm still not convinced that gay marriage will be a good thing for our society, so excuse me if I don't get with the times asap.

how do you think straight parents handle gay kids? particularly "christian" parents the espouse the same views as you?let me tell you about those ramifications as i deal with them regularly as a volunteer in my community....i see the teens that are hurt, emotionally and physically, to the point where they want to commit suicide - at the hands of people that are supposed to love them unconditionally and protect them. sometimes we can intervene in time and successfully save that teen, sometimes not.

and let me speak to the situation you point to - my partner & i are the parents of 3 straight kids - 1 young adult in college, one teen in high school and the youngest in elementary school. we have other friends that have children as well. there is no issue insofar as dealing with "anger"....or wanting to hug the kids, etc. the kids see us as their parents, know us as their parents and treat us as their parents. likewise, we treat them as we should - our kids. we coach them, discipline them, teach them, interact with them, listen to them, lecture them, the same as you do yours. you fail to see the similarities. throw into that mix is us raising them in going to church with us and being active in the church and our community. all 3 kids do well in school, have friends, are active in sports and clubs. nothing different from you'd expect in any other middle class kid growing up in america.

...and another thing you might want to consider - straight parents brought us homosexuals up in this world (if we're adults now) and taught us how to be adults and how to be parents. the successes and failures you see are from our raising from straight parents.

<quoted text>We all watched Romney jump way to the right in order to be nominated, it was really amusing watching him say things that he never ever even indicated before, to get himself nominated.We all saw it, maybe you were on vacation, you dont remember the comments played over and over about how you say this to get nominated, and then have to backtrack in order to get elected? It was in all the media except the Faux News of course.And the things he did and said, lost him the election against someone that could have easily been beaten if he had remained the moderate he was before running for office.His problem was, once saying the right wing fringe stuff in the primary, it is recorded and played back during the general.Every Republican nominee is going to have the same issue until the republican party moves back to the center.Until they do, I dont see a way around the problem the Republicans have.

No, D, you are wrong (again). The Electoral College had already picked our president for us, all that was hoopla, nothing more. Don't you people get this yet? Watch for Jeb in the White House.

This whole debate over 'gay' marriage is a symptom of a much larger problem: people losing what marriage is. Marriage isn't about some piece of paper or some benefit from the government. If gays could really be married they would not care if the government recognized their 'marriage' or not.

<quoted text>The Roman Empire fell for numerous reasons. It's a myth to say that it fell due to an acceptance of homosexuality.Most historians believe that the Empire fell primarily because it became so large that it could not defend itself, from a monetary standpoint and a lack of manpower.Regarding "diseases", you have to understand that these illnesses do not care about the orientation of the person when it transmits itself from one person to another. They are opportunistic infections that simply find the easiest way to stay alive and grow.And if you want to talk about a "deadly disease", let's talk about how you straight people abort 40,000,000 babies each year. In a little over seven and a half years, that's about the number of people who live in the U.S.You guys cause much more death on the planet than gay men.And lesbians are less likely than even heterosexuals to develop HIV.So, your comments about disease and the gay community is just false.

Even the lead, used in their water pipes, contributed. Lead poisoning, subsequent dementia. Allowed them to exhibit all sorts of nasty symptoms, including homsexuality, which they also didn't understand. They did all sorts of wrong things.

<quoted text>Don't be so stupid! We HAVE legal immigration. We just made provisions for those that didn't want to do it the legal way. We made room for the pushy ones. We moved over for the criminals. We gave them "Operation Amnesty" to accommodate the ones who have no respect for the opinions of "Real Americans". Don't be so stupid! We have legal immigration. We also have The Border Patrol, who are no longer allowed to deport the criminals. Thanks to Obammy.

all the while, border jumping, has fallen WAY off.

yet, we need people to do jobs american wont, like pick fruit in the 110 degree california sun.

<quoted text>No, D, you are wrong (again). The Electoral College had already picked our president for us, all that was hoopla, nothing more. Don't you people get this yet? Watch for Jeb in the White House.

If the rethugs were silly enough to give bush the nomination??

he will get steamed rolled BY WHO EVER.

but HIllary, on the other hand, will steamroll ANYONE who runs agianst her.

im hoping you guys make good on your threat to nominate a "TRUE"conservative, like santorum, palin or bachmann...

<quoted text>100 years from now they will look at YOU like we look at the southern slave master, who didnt want to change and step into a new reality....sound familiar??...we look back in SHAME at the bigots who were against interracial marraige, just 50 years ago....things change quickly.in 1996, only 23 % of the people supported GAy and lESBIAN marriage.now that number is around 60%social progress is social progress.....100 years ago women could not vote....ill bet if we gave you fools the chance, youd repeal that too.in other words, you all profess to be great constitutionalists..but if we left you alone with that document.....we wouldnt recognize the document we got back from you.

1) Speak for yourself, don't be so presumptious, as to speak for all of us.2) That 60% number is a flat-out lie.3) We already don't recognize the document that you are attempting to re-interpret, in your favor, of course. That's the document that states that the States decide marriage law, not the Fed.Shit, son, by the time you get done fiddling with it, we'll all be gay, if you get your way. We already know what you want.

<quoted text>I never hear of anyone that spits hate at those that were against the civil rights of Blacks. People are smart enough to realize that times change, most slave owners were not the evil beaters that hollywood makes them out to be. Most people realize religion never saved anyone, it's your relationship with God.

And no-one ever points out how much money the Negroes made, selling their brethren into slavery. It's all about "hate the white man", all that that is. Remember the cry "Pharaoh, let my people go?"? The ancient Egyptians were a black race. Owning the lighter skinned Jews.$$, wherever you look.

<quoted text>right!!! in 1860,the slave owners were like "yeah well give up those slaves"the south tried to secede because they wanted to remain a slave using republic.we fought a HUGE CIVIL war over slavery....i guess they didnt teach that at your school.

OMG, you really are stupid. Don't you know that we didn't fight that war to free the slaves? Ever wonder why it was called "The War Of Northern Aggression"? It was because the South was making so much $$ from the trade it had, with other countries, that the North ordered it to sell them raw, unfinished goods and products, at a drastic loss, and then buy back finished goods and products, at rapish profits, that the South said "no". It was then that the North moved on the South, with blockades of all ports that the South used for exportation. THAT was what the Civil War was all about. Lincoln owned slaves. Lincoln said that if he could save the union, without freeing one slave, he would do so. The abolishment of slavery was a strike at the workforce that the South used, to make its profits. You dumb-ass. Don't post when you don't know what you are talking about. Damn.... You're welcome for the history lesson.

along those same lines as the redding tea party situation??a 2nd amendment rights meeting in hayfork ca.was restricted only to people who would sign a"2nd amendment rights protection promise"(they had little arm bands too, just kidding, but they might as well have)and local reporters were told to go f%%K off.they appartently are ashamed of their message...anyone who wanted to broadly enter pro 2nd amendment activism, would try to publicize their cause??wouldnt they??their official manifesto sounds very much like Bush's "you either with us or you are against us"

So, you also disagree with those of us that own guns, eh? Giving up all that made us strong. Traitor. You can go and be an uneducated sheep, but not me.

<quoted text>1) Speak for yourself, don't be so presumptious, as to speak for all of us.2) That 60% number is a flat-out lie.3) We already don't recognize the document that you are attempting to re-interpret, in your favor, of course. That's the document that states that the States decide marriage law, not the Fed.Shit, son, by the time you get done fiddling with it, we'll all be gay, if you get your way. We already know what you want.

how is that??

im not gay, but im a crusader against ALL bigotry.

there is your answer.

the poll from ABC news was at 58% favorablity for gay marraige.

what polls do YOU have to show us ??

the arguements the right are offereing, are being picked apart this week by the scotus justices, just like they were picked apart in the lower courts...

<quoted text>I don't belong to any organization that has hatred for gay people. I am not Mormon. I have never seen a history book list names of people that were not for the civil rights of blacks other then a few groups like the kkk. I really could care less on the gay marriage issue, it won't affect me. You liberals seem to have fun saying that line of crap about being on the wrong side of history. LOL.

It makes them feel better, it contributes to the air of superiority that they have assumed, as our moral compasses.

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