Looking for some insight

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

At 21 natty test boosters aren't going to do **** for you unless you have unnaturally low test. Get your diet and training straight first

At 21 natty test boosters aren't going to do **** for you unless you have unnaturally low test. Get your diet and training straight first

I figured that would be the response I would get and I was expecting it. Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results. My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

I figured that would be the response I would get and I was expecting it. Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results. My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

Yeah xfactor original will probably be your best bet right now since it doesn't operate hormonally. Stack with lclt and gms and you should be good to go. Just make sure you're not taking any fish oil or cissus around xfactor dosings

Only reason I started to consider a booster was the fact that I know a few people my age that have done boosters and seen pretty solid results.

Quite a lot of the time, its placebo effect. Spending $150 on supplements for a month buys extra motivation, extra care with diet, extra effort with training whether or not it raises testosterone significantly.

Originally Posted by Gazlay43

My training and diet are not a problem at the moment. All that aside, being that natty test boosters are said to be pointless at my age, what's the next best thing? Heard pretty good things about the drive/rpm/neovar stack, but is it superior to the xfactor I have used prior? Sorry for all the questions but this forum seems packed with knowledge and I'm trying to absorb as much as I can.

Your training and diet may not be a problem, but they might not be optimal either..... Whether a given product is superior to another depends on the individual, their training schedule/type, etc. The drive/rpm/neovar might be nice for you as you can do a little bit of fat loss along with adding lean mass if you are careful on it.

Thanks for all the input guys. I used to take creatine, but stopped using it due to the water weight and bloating. I have also never used beta alanine by itself, just when the preworkouts I was taking contained it. I have heard the fish oil and xfactor thing, but I use tuna as my protein source quite often. Is that bad to do with xfactor? Or are they referring to fish oil pills specifically?

Coop and Valdez are giving you some great products. Personally agmatine with Formutech Nutritions Endurance BCAA Plus and creatine makes a great preworkout. Your getting BCAA's to feed the muscles, Beta Alanine and COP for muscular endurance, Agmatine will give you insaine pumps. Pick up some Creatine as Coop stated and if ya want even more pumps citrulline malate.

This will be my first post on this forum so please don't flame me too hard. I just finished a cycle of XFactor advanced about two months ago. I saw some decent gains from it, but I'm lookin to try something else. I've heard great things about the Drive/RPM/Neovar stack and was pretty set on giving it a try. Then I came across Aen APE. I was trying to avoid test and test boosters, but I have heard great things about APE and I haven't heard of any negative sides. I'm 21 and trying to pack on another ten to fifteen pounds before I start my cut. I do realize that these are completely different types of supplements, but I'm just looking for some personal opinions or experiences. What should I go with? Thanks guys

if you are staying away from test boosters, then stay away from Drive and RPM

Jekyll is there non stim formula. Its ok. But Volitile which is lower on the stims blows it away on pumps. Hyde is freaking crazy with energy. I took it and was going a million liles per hour.

Ya I could feel the effects of Hyde more than any other preWO I've tried. Kinda hesitant to try the Jekyll since it doesn't have a lot of stims. I'm not sensitive to stims so I usually need a high dosage to feel anything.

Ya I could feel the effects of Hyde more than any other preWO I've tried. Kinda hesitant to try the Jekyll since it doesn't have a lot of stims. I'm not sensitive to stims so I usually need a high dosage to feel anything.

Well with what you have planned I would definitely reccomend some Volatile. Its packed with 9 grams of actives. You will feel insaine pumps. Not overwhelming energy. We are also running some promos in the company promotions section. We give a lot away, because once you run it you will love it.

Well with what you have planned I would definitely reccomend some Volatile. Its packed with 9 grams of actives. You will feel insaine pumps. Not overwhelming energy. We are also running some promos in the company promotions section. We give a lot away, because once you run it you will love it.

Ok I think that's gonna be my next stack then. I tried prosupps mr.hyde and it made me feel like I was on crack or something. Really jittery and anxious. How does the Dr. Jekyll compare?

Jekyll actually has 100 mg of caffeine, so its not entirely stim-free. Also, I'm a huge fan of picamilon. Great pumps and focus, while not being over-stimmed. The good news with the preWOs I recommended is you know exactly what you are getting. No Prop blends, just effective doses of active compounds.

Originally Posted by Gazlay43

Ya I could feel the effects of Hyde more than any other preWO I've tried. Kinda hesitant to try the Jekyll since it doesn't have a lot of stims. I'm not sensitive to stims so I usually need a high dosage to feel anything.

Jekyll actually has 100 mg of caffeine, so its not entirely stim-free. Also, I'm a huge fan of picamilon. Great pumps and focus, while not being over-stimmed. The good news with the preWOs I recommended is you know exactly what you are getting. No Prop blends, just effective doses of active compounds.

"Feeling" a preWO doesn't equate to being an effective ergogenic aid.

I get what you're saying but I use preWOs specifically for energy and pumps so I'd like to feel those things. That aside, is a 4 week cycle of anabeta+prime+anabolic pump, sufficient? Or do I need to do 8 weeks to see real results?

Dont jump on the proprietary blend is a negative thing. The reason for is not so you the consumer does not know whats in it and how much, its because if you have something and it works another company will start producing iot the same way. Supplement business can be very cut throat. Know what your active are and know the good companies have the science and do what is best for their reputation when building the blend. If a company has a good reputation then their prop blend will be good. It will have the right amount of what you need to get the best out of the product.

I get what you're saying but I use preWOs specifically for energy and pumps so I'd like to feel those things. That aside, is a 4 week cycle of anabeta+prime+anabolic pump, sufficient? Or do I need to do 8 weeks to see real results?

Anabeta should be cycled 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, but the other two do not need to be cycled. They can be ran continuously.

Dont jump on the proprietary blend is a negative thing. The reason for is not so you the consumer does not know whats in it and how much, its because if you have something and it works another company will start producing iot the same way. Supplement business can be very cut throat. Know what your active are and know the good companies have the science and do what is best for their reputation when building the blend. If a company has a good reputation then their prop blend will be good. It will have the right amount of what you need to get the best out of the product.

Most companies hide behind a prop blend because they use inadequate doses of the active compounds. It's understandable for a company to use a prop blend in the instance they are using an entirely new ingredient. This forces other companies to have to research in to dosing, effectiveness, etc. But when you are using ingredients that have been on the market for a while and dosing has been well established, there is no point to a prop blend.

I've worked for multiple supplement companies and have been in the industry for 8 years. Trust me, prop blends are used, more often, as a "shield" and excuse than what they truly are intended.

on prop blends: only use products that have prop blends that come from a company you trust. I know with AppNut, they used prop blends to hide the formula so it wont get stolen or copied (which happened before they had prop blends).