Tuesday, July 14, 2015

Lunch with Dr. Nucatola

The Killing Fields

Evolutionary thought’s insistence that the world arose spontaneously is our modern-day version of Epicureanism. The idea was then, and continues to be today, motivated by metaphysics, not science. From a scientific perspective the idea is clearly false. That was understood by philosophers of antiquity, but it is understood all the more clearly today. Simply put, modern science has demolished Epicureanism. But ideas die hard, especially ideas that are driven by metaphysical ideas we believe must be true. Overturning Epicureanism and modern day evolutionary thought requires overturning the foundational metaphysics—and that is much more difficult than solving a scientific problem. And so in spite of the science, evolution continues to be a very popular and influential idea. In fact evolution has been tremendously influential in a broad range of political, public policy and social issues. These include wars, holocausts, and abortion. The above video is a good example. It shows evolutionist Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical research, explaining how they murder unborn babies and harvest the tissue. Nucatola describes crushing techniques they use to preserve valuable body parts while murdering the baby in cold blood:

We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.

The level of cruelty is astonishing, yet most likely will go ignored or dismissed by evolutionists. Already the Washington Post has made the absurd suggestion that the almost three hour video may have been doctored in some way. The article concludes:

It’s hard to assess exactly what happened at the lunch with Nucatola.

Hard to assess? Do they also question the holocaust? Do journalists have difficulty determining just exactly what happened in Nazi Germany?

It would be difficult to imagine a more misleading conclusion. An abortionist discussed techniques for murdering babies. How can that possibly be “Hard to assess”?

How Darwin's Theory Changed the WorldRejection of Judeo-Christian valuesExcerpt: Weikart explains how accepting Darwinist dogma shifted society’s thinking on human life: “Before Darwinism burst onto the scene in the mid-nineteenth century, the idea of the sanctity of human life was dominant in European thought and law (though, as with all ethical principles, not always followed in practice). Judeo-Christian ethics proscribed the killing of innocent human life, and the Christian churches explicitly forbade murder, infanticide, abortion, and even suicide.“The sanctity of human life became enshrined in classical liberal human rights ideology as ‘the right to life,’ which according to John Locke and the United States Declaration of Independence, was one of the supreme rights of every individual” (p. 75).Only in the late nineteenth and especially the early twentieth century did significant debate erupt over issues relating to the sanctity of human life, especially infanticide, euthanasia, abortion, and suicide. It was no mere coincidence that these contentious issues emerged at the same time that Darwinism was gaining in influence. Darwinism played an important role in this debate, for it altered many people’s conceptions of the importance and value of human life, as well as the significance of death” (ibid.).http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn85/darwin-theory-changed-world.htm

Besides the genocide by gassing, was not the Holocaust as much a systematically-murderous neglect driven by a pathological hatred, rather than the proactively murderous step-by-step, violent mayhem of abortion, Alethinon61?

Major news organizations are reporting this is merely a propaganda hack job by right-wing anti-abortion foes. They filmed a Planned Parenthood representative talking about tissue donation and the price of transportation and preservation of fetal remains. Both actions are perfectly legal and done with the full knowledge and consent of the families involved. The liars then heavily edited the conversation to paint a false picture and cast PP in the worst possible light.

This sort of dishonestly is reminiscent of when a few YECs set up a fake interview with Richard Dawkins then asked him a "gotcha" YEC question. Dawkins paused giving an answer because he realized he was being conned. The YECs posted the "pause' video everywhere as their "proof" Dawkins couldn't defend evolution.

How supposedly religious people can justify such scurrilous lies and behavior is beyond understanding. Such blatant disregard for honesty is yet another reason so many young people are leaving the church.

"They filmed a Planned Parenthood representative talking about tissue donation and the price of transportation and preservation of fetal remains. Both actions are perfectly legal and done with the full knowledge and consent of the families involved."

And because it is 'legal' it's justifiable? Is that really what you're saying? It was legal to kill Jews in Nazi Germany, why was that not OK?

"How supposedly religious people can justify such scurrilous lies and behavior is beyond understanding."

That's of more concern to you than a supposed doctor bragging about her ability to crush babies to death in such a way so as not to damage the vital organs which she will then provide for sale?

I'm just curious, but do you not think your indignation is a little misplaced on this question?

"This sort of dishonestly is reminiscent of when a few YECs set up a fake interview with Richard Dawkins then asked him a "gotcha" YEC question. Dawkins paused giving an answer because he realized he was being conned."

If being asked to provide a simple example of evolution is a dishonest 'gotcha' question it does not say much for Dawkins' knowledge of his favourite subject. He did not pause because he was aware of a con, he simply did not have an answer.

The simple truth of the matter is that Dawkins is not nearly as bright as he and his groupies like to think he is. He is in fact not a biologist, but a zoologist, plus he did not achieve full professorship status. His books are hardly scientific. They are very poor attempts at philosophy, a subject on which Dawkins is a complete and utter buffoon.

"I'm not the one running around clutching my pearls, screaming like my hair is on fire, and mindlessly repeating vivious lies I got from a propaganda video."

Are you sure? You certainly sound like a propagandist mindlessly repeating lies.

If they are indeed lies they can be dealt with in court. We'll see if that becomes the case.

Meanwhile, your response hardly answers the question. Do you really believe the individuals who filmed Nucatola bragging about her ability to slaughter innocent children have committed a more grievous crime than has Nucatola?

The simple truth of the matter is that Dawkins is not nearly as bright as he and his groupies like to think he is. He is in fact not a biologist, but a zoologist, plus he did not achieve full professorship status. His books are hardly scientific. They are very poor attempts at philosophy, a subject on which Dawkins is a complete and utter buffoon

Slandering Dawkins has exactly as much affect on the validity of evolutionary theory as slandering Darwin does. Zero. Apparently most Creationists can't grasp that simple fact.

Do you really believe the individuals who filmed Nucatola bragging about her ability to slaughter innocent children have committed a more grievous crime than has Nucatola

No one bragged about slaughtering innocent children and no laws were broken, except maybe the one about recording someone without their permission. But do keep defending the real liars in this case.

Funny then that there are dozens of colleges in the U.S. alone that offer undergraduate and graduate level degrees in Evolutionary Biology. These include Case Western, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Rice, Tulane, and the U. of California.

I'm sure they would be happy to send you some literature since you are unable to accomplish a simple Google search yourself.

I resent the fact that the news organizations are trying to deflect attention from the ghoulish practices of PP by casting doubt on the organization that took this video and questioning their tactics!

That says a lot about their personal moral standards. Undercover work is often used by police to get information. It is understandable. Who is going to reveal information like this to a pro-life group or even to the law?

No one in their right mind! But now they've been caught so their tactic is to try and mis-characterize the opposition by casting doubt on their tactics and on their character. They want the public to think of pro-lifers as people who use deceitful tactics and who will stop at nothing to further their cause.

Ken Ham has had atheists come to the Creation Museum and do the same kind of interview. Yet, I have never heard any atheist condemn that tactic as immoral or deceitful!

By the way, the pro-life group that did the interview, to their credit, has made the whole unedited interview available for any to see. SO, contrary to the claims of the evolutionists, they are NOT trying to be deceitful here. Anyone can watch the whole thing if they want to. They are being very open about this. They also have a script of the entire interview available for anyone to read. It is long as is the interview, but it's all freely available for any to read.

This would clearly not be the way they would do it if they were trying to hide something.

Here is the transcript of the interview: http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PPFAtranscript072514_final.pdf

It is quite revealing! The callousness with which she talks about the babies is chilling. They are nothing but tissue!

I guess that is to be expected. They could never do what they do if they viewed the tissue as a baby.

PP has some standards and tries to do this in a way that is above board, but she did also admit that there are some places where the ethics of it all are a bit muddy.

For research or whatever, PP IS selling aborted fetal tissue and they DO try to perform the abortions in a way that will preserve the types of tissue their buyers want. This much she clearly admitted.

"Slandering Dawkins has exactly as much affect on the validity of evolutionary theory as slandering Darwin does. Zero. Apparently most Creationists can't grasp that simple fact."

Stating facts is not slander, nor was it intended as an argument against evolution. Evolution is falling apart on its own and will continue to do so with or without Dawkins.

Intellectually Dawkins is a lightweight, no, a featherweight and really no one takes the man seriously except his groupies. It would appear you are a paid up member of that club.

"No one bragged about slaughtering innocent children and no laws were broken, except maybe the one about recording someone without their permission. But do keep defending the real liars in this case."

Nucatola was obviously proud of her ability to crush babies to death without damaging the internal organs. If you don't think that is bragging, you simply don't think.

As for no laws being broken, as I asked you before, is that all it takes to make this slaughter acceptable in your eyes?

People are filmed without their permission everyday, why is this such a big deal? Oh yeah, it shows Planned Parenthood for what it really is and politically correct liberals like yourself can't stand your dirty little secrets being exposed to the light of day.

"Ah, the longest running falsehood in Creationism - evolution is going to collapse any day now...any day now...same song for the last 150 years."

It has already collapsed long ago, but it will never go away. It will hang around forever like the scars you get when you're young and do very foolish things. Scars which remain and remind you of how stupid you really were.

"No babies were crushed to death. It's the ranting screaming over-the-top hyperbole like that which makes having a reasonable discussion with holier-than-thou types like you impossible."

So obviously you have not watched the video. Why am I not surprised?

"BTW can you please tell Joe G what the theory of evolution is?"

Sure I can, glad to help.

Hey Joe, the theory of evolution is the most ridiculous theory in the entire history of science. It's utter. palpable nonsense, consisting of multitudinous contradictions, poor scientific practice and ever so many just-so-stories, all cobbled together in a vain attempt to support the utterly nonsensical idea that life arose spontaneously and in an unbelievable sequence of events spanning billions of years has brought us to where we are today.

You're welcome, hope it helps.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question. Is legality all it takes to make the atrocities being carried out by Nucatola and her cronies acceptable in your eyes?

Just so that everyone knows- a google search will NOT turn up any theory of evolution. It will show that people talk about one as if one exists but you will NEVER find a theory of evolution using google or any other search engine.

"The footage was taken July 25, 2014, without Nucatola's knowledge, by actors who were posing as buyers from a human biologics company. In the longer version of the video, the actors talk in-depth about stem cell research and the importance of getting tissue to researchers quickly."

How can people who call themselves honest Christians support these kinds of dishonest tactics?

You only want to protect the ghoulish evolutionist abortionist murders.

An evolutionist describes crushing live babies in cold blood and, as predicted, the rest of them come to her rescue and defend it. As predicted, all manner of dismissal tactics will be used to try and live with themselves. They would have been good brown shirts.

I think ghostrider should watch the whole video to see if and where it was edited. But I don't think he will, ghostrider is too enraged, as all leftists become when their religion is laid bare for what it is, plain as day. And good point by Marcus, I have never heard in any church or religious studies environment any condemnation of law enforcement for using deception to get to the truth. Megan Kelly just had on a superliberal guy on a panel of two about this video, and the leftist was nearly spitting he was so enraged. Really --enraged over deception on planet earth? No, these leftists are apoplectic after being exposed for what they are.

MSEE, the video was definitely edited. No doubt about that. The whole interview is 150 minutes long and the video you probably saw was about 9 minutes long. But the key point is that the whole video is available. They are not trying to hide anything from anyone. The transcript of the interview is also available - as it should be. People need to be able to verify the information for themselves.

There is NO DECEPTION here. This is simply good investigative work. It's amazing how the leftists will get all worked up about "deception" only when it is their side that is exposed. He is more concerned about the deceptive tactics of the enemy than the heinous practices of PP!

But when evolutionists use similar tactics against creationists, they simply laugh. Ken Ham has been a victim as have others.

She is an Evolutionists because only an atheists that thinks we are simply animals would ever, ever be so callous in between bites of salad, so nonchalante - and this is their head of abortion services for the nation - why did she not report she was approached by people wanting to by body parts if it was a misunderstanding??? total spin BS - if this was the NRA, investigations galore - but our godless communists in power give them plenty of cover - watch the damn video and admit it is disgusting - if you don't think so, then you are simply leaning toward a Eugenicist - any feeling person should be appalled, if you are not, well.... what can I say.

And why do these folks not say - we want to limit the number of these tragedies? You think both sides would agree that it should not be like driving into a Burger King drive through - Good God we have been turned into such callous beings...

I wasn't criticizing the NRA, although there is much to be critical of. I was merely pointing out that you can't judge a long standing organization based on the motives and philosophy of its founders. These things often change considerably over time, as was the case with the NRA.

PP was born out of this type of a worldview! That was the whole purpose of the organization from the get go. That is a whole different thing than saying some of it's policies have changed over time. The founder was an evil person and had evil motives in beginning the organization! This is not a fair comparison at all. You only try and justify it because you too are a leftist.

I want to make it clear - I don't think we can legislate or make abortion illegal (but yes on late term and partial birth), but I think civil human beings should be made aware of the barbarism that it is, especially partial birth or late term - should be taboo in our so-called "enlightened" society.- lets see it, lets bring it out in the open, so people can see the smoke rising from the factories - you think this can't slip into selling body parts and selecting those who should live are die, but it ALREADY HAS...

You get all sorts of disgusting innovations from Godless evolutionists. A few years back South Korean officials found vitamins made from aborted babies being smuggled into the country. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/07/south-korea-finds-smuggled-capsules-containing-human-flesh/

I wonder if she has any children. I mean live ones. She reminds me of the Russian partisans during WWII, who used to chop the arms and legs off captured German soldiers and leave them in the middle of the road as a warning.

At least with the Russians, it was a 'crime of passion, revenge for their wickedness. Perhaps in the next life, among the the good doctor's eternal punishments will be repeated dismemberments and endless flight from vengeful Russian partisans, who take her for a Nazi soldier.