Comments on: Quote of the Day: Ken Rosenthal slams the Marlinshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Fri, 09 Dec 2016 13:48:52 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335681
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:42:42 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335681I think Beinfest really ate his crow and quaffed his wormwood at yesterday’s press conference. No ducking and dodging. So I admire him for his candor, but would really like to admire his cunning trades and acquisitions a lot more.
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:38:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335675They thought “they were raising hell” … and got burnt!
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:38:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335674Thank you Craig for remembering about my 1987 Cleveland Indians. If it wasn’t for that team, they never would have picked up Paul Zuvella the next season, my all-time favorite “horrible” infielder.
]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335672
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:36:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335672My extended commentary is on the “Will Josh Johnson Be Shopped” thread, but okay, here’s another angle on it.

The Feesh didn’t go cloacas-up because of who they brought in. They tanked because of who they didn’t get rid of during the orfseason. I wrote repeatedly, all through the orfseason and into the spring, that the Feesh needed an RBI guy, a situational hitter with some pop, not another tablesetter like Reyes. Their RISP was awful last season and not real good the season before that, so what was the point of getting more guys on base when no one was reliably driving them in? So here they are at the very bottom of the heap in RISP. If there are stats on advancing baserunners I don’t doubt that they’re at the bottom there too.

Bell was the horrible exception – you perhaps could have anticipated he wasn’t going to be Mr. Lights-Out given the falloff in his strikeout numbers last season, but really, no one without ESP or a crystal ball or the ghost of Shoeless Joe whispering in his ear could reasonably have been expected to call Bell’s cetacean-sized bellywhop this year. Likewise, it would have been pretty difficult based on past performance alone to have anticipated how completely Gaby Sanchez would implode. Coghlan, well, he never really figured in the Feesh’s plans as anything but a pine rider so seeing him knocked through the ropes was sad but not especially significant.

But the worst of it was hanging on to the Hanster, to Black Hole Buck and to Tweeter in the face of solid evidence that they were simply not the players they were supposed to be. Tweeter especially came up in trade discussions all orfseason long, especially in talks about Matt Garza and Aramis Ramirez, but the Rainbow Warriors’ notochord trust protected him as if he was hung with a franchise tag even though he had batted in the 240s most of the season with a miserable .146 RISP and established himself solidly as a “swing hard in case you hit it” solo homer jockey with an acute inability to advance runners and a marked disposition to kill rallies with DP grounders or popouts at critical moments.

Hanster was recovering from shoulder surgery over the Weenter so the Feesh were limited in what they might has asked for him, but they repeatedly made comments about how the team would be “built around” him – a propensity Slobbering Ozzie continued to indulge right on up to just before the break. If they were trying to magnify his value in order to receive best value for damaged goods with this absurd PR campaign, OK, I could see that, but they proceeded as though they actually expected him miraculously to reverse his two-season decline, become at least less of a dead weight in terms of morale, and return to 2009 form. Now they’re going to have to eat most of his inflated salary to get rid of him.

John Buck is a special problem. When he was signed orfseason before last I was aghast at what he was paid and at the length of his contract. By the end of last season the magnitude of this particular disaster was apparent. No one is going to take this guy for more than the league minimum; most players with his offensive stats would have been sent down or DFA’d months ago. I don’t know how they deal with this; they are well and truly sandbagged. In obtaining Brantley they may have a future option at catcher. I don’t doubt that while all eyes are on Turner, he was a key part of the deal with a hard sidelong look at the singularity batting eighth. They will surely try to dump him but may just throw up their hands and bite Buck like a bullet – unless they luck out, a contender loses their catcher to the DL bigtime, and gets desperate.

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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:14:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335653Left Field is a physically less demanding position than second base, one good reason is: you don’t need to execute double plays and continuously expose yourself and your legs to getting smacked and swept by base runners. Look, this stuff isn’t new. If you can’t be bothered to look it up don’t bother replying.
]]>By: seanmkhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335633
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:56:32 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335633so he has to run MORE
]]>By: dnc6http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335631
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:55:38 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335631I’ve got Rosenthal saying the Marlins would be the 11th best team in baseball this year, making it to the playoffs, with Hanley Ramirez as MVP. I’m sure glad he’s smart enough now to see that the team didn’t know what it was doing.

]]>By: madnovahttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335596
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:38:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335596Are you suggesting that, had they not signed Reyes, Bell, and Buerhle, that construction on the stadium would’ve stopped?
]]>By: tcostanthttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335567
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:23:27 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335567I still think you have to the GM credit for selling here. You know many GM’s would have traded prospects for a pitcher and hurt there future worse. Something to be said for admitting a mistake.
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:21:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335565The Worst Team Money Could Buy: The Collapse of the New York Mets By Bob Klapisch
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:19:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335563Cue up all the hardy belly laughs by the baseball media who will now act as if they knew the whole time that the Marlins would be bad. Of course the fact that they were the very people responsible for all the hype to begin with is just an inconvenient side fact that will be swept under the rug….
]]>By: drewsylvaniahttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335543
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:55:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335543They knew EXACTLY what they were doing–pretending they’d field a competitive team in order to make sure the stadium got finished. They knew they’d jettison their players either after the postseason (if they made it in) or beforehand (if they didn’t).

And in the middle of it, Selig laughs, spittle flying everywhere.

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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:51:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335538Defensive Spectrum.
]]>By: scottfmullinhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335531
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:45:22 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335531If the Marlins had Pujols, things might be different. Our first basemen are batting around .220 because of ice-cold Morrison and Sanchez, and certainly Pujols would be able to drive in runners in scoring position. His presence would have given the Marlins at least a few more wins.
]]>By: seanmkhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335522
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:33:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335522how does move to left field help his knees exactly?
]]>By: blackandbluedivisionhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335505
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:17:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335505I blame the fish tanks.
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:16:58 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335504By priceless, I assume you mean free of charge.
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Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:54:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335489This thread is horribly incomplete without Old Gator’s priceless opinions on the matter.
]]>By: djpostlhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335458
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:25:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335458The Marlins weren’t good in May, their schedule just was cake. Bunch of games versus Rockies, DisAstros, Padres, a Giants team that was blowin’ chunks at the time & the Indians.

Then, not surprisingly, when the calender turned and they were playing AL East teams they got butt pummeled.

]]>By: madnovahttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/quote-of-the-day-ken-rosenthal-slams-the-marlins/#comment-335456
Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:23:04 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=187071#comment-335456I’ve actually heard the reverse on Ozzie, that Cora is the smart field manager and Ozzie is more of a glad hander.

Either way, half the hype was the Pujols chase, and had that panned out, who knows? Reyes gives them better defense at short, and offensively isn’t really much of a downgrade on what Hanley gave them last year.

Lost in the hype was that they didn’t end up with Pujols, Cespedes, or Wilson, and they pretty much just added Reyes and Buerhle….and Bell, if you really consider that an addition outside of payroll.

I see it as a team taking a shot, and it not working out. Hanley didn’t make it back to his All Star form at the plate, Johnson hasn’t been himself, Bell imploded, and Morrison & Sanchez didn’t take that next step. Now management can take a look at what’s not working and try to fix it.

Although, trading one of your top prospects for half a season of Carlos Lee is pretty head-scratching, even if he’s a big improvement over what you had.