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OHHHH **** NO...you cant pull that argument now!!! Not after saying for god knows how long that this is a different era when QBs are babied, and stats arent everything. I can't believe im even reading this!!!!

he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P

he's trying to Daven...I started looking first was Roethlisberger who of course is not 2/1 either...and I'm sure there are a ton of other current QB's who MH would say are great that this applies to as well...but there is no point it proving him wrong, he's just looking to argue :-P

I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.

Please pay attention Daven. In the 80's, that was more than acceptable, It was actually outstanding. Back then if you have more TD's than picks you were ahead of the game.
In THIS era its not. The rule favor the passing game so much now. The NFL is making it easy to throw the ball. In THIS era, a 2 to 1 ratio is a baseline expectation for a good QB (not great...just good) in his prime.
And in Eli's case, he's not even improving in this catagory. He's essentially where he was in 2005. I get that Eli is kind of an exception (as is Cutler in my view) because of his ability to win big games and run the two minute drill, but he needs to pick up his efficiency in this regard to meet even minimum standards.

Shutup Daven....Phil Simms was the greatest football player to ever grace the gridiron.

That's very Morehead of you to say... lol
I saw Phil play a good amount of his years, and he was a great player. One of the toughest players I have ever seen. He took hits that took players out for seasons. Hense why he was injured a lot early on in his career. Other then Marino, Elway and Montana Phil had one of the best passes in his era. Great spiral, clean release, great accuracy.

I'm not doing that at all Scrappy. I'm only saying that a QB in his prime should have a far better ratio.
Look at all the elite QB's in football today. They are off the charts in that respect.
This isn't an "Eli sucks" position. But it is of concern to me. Of course its not to you because you wear blinders.