Post by gardenfresh on Jul 15, 2012 13:58:33 GMT -5

So I know things have been smooth around here since Roo and that is nice, but I would just like remind the staff that at least one person is still concerned. I'm not trying to start anymore conflict just keep the discourse open. I don't know if there if there has been any continued discussion among the staff about any major or minor changes to the site. I guess that is kind of the point of this bump.

Also I imagine we have giving you enough time on this one Adam, would you care to expand as you promised?

Post by admin on Jul 15, 2012 20:19:41 GMT -5

Jay and I have been speaking. Its slow going. I'm not sure we've reached a resolution yet. For now he seems happy with the status quo. I think that he and I both hope that the status quo changes somewhat in the future.

Post by wolfmanjess on Jul 20, 2012 14:02:52 GMT -5

Yea, I wasn't saying Jess was a bad parent (I have no idea) I was just saying you would think he'd be over talking about how much he parties. Whatever.

I do not feel that it is germane to conversation on this board that I will be criticized over my parenting skills because Nodepression feels I talk about partying too much. I realize he does not have kids but as a single father who works his ass off to take care of his kids and always puts them first his comments today have really upset me probably more than he is aware.

I flat out do not feel I need to put up with this and I expect some resolution from the mods so we can move forward or I am just going to delete my account and get out of here. To me this is beyond the pale and I do not feel I should have to put up with it.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:11:29 GMT -5

I agree with this and also the fact that he said he wasn't calling Jess a bad parent.

I don't think anyone took it that way

You'd be wrong about that. More than a few people took it that way actually and started defending Jess's parenting. From everything I know Jess is a great parent and I wouldn't call into question his methods. I also don't think that's what noD was trying to do.

Post by on Jul 20, 2012 14:14:09 GMT -5

I do see how it is easy to interpret it the way Jess sees it, but I also know that nodepression meant that it's not the partying he finds lame, but the talking about partying. He didn't question your parenting skills at all, he just used the ages of your children to highlight the age of yourself.

Post by wolfmanjess on Jul 20, 2012 14:14:46 GMT -5

I know this will mean less than nothing coming from me of all people, but dude, that's not what he was saying at all. I don't think anyone took it that way. From what I can tell, he was making fun of you for being old enough to have teenagers (thus in your mid 30's) and still bragging about partying, the implication being that it's ultra-lame for an adult to brag about that. Hence the "it's a lame trope" comment.

In no way did I (nor anyone else, from what I can tell) read that as NoD saying "you talk about partying, the fact that you party means you're a bad parent." Seriously. I'm probably going to get a hearty "hey go f*ck yourself, Juggs," but that's the truth.

All I will say is it is different if you have kids, and a lot different if you are a single Dad. Also I told him the first time to lay off it and he kept it up, so here we are now.

Post by wolfmanjess on Jul 20, 2012 14:17:47 GMT -5

I do see how it is easy to interpret it the way Jess sees it, but I also know that nodepression meant that it's not the partying he finds lame, but the talking about partying. He didn't question your parenting skills at all, he just used the ages of your children to highlight the age of yourself.

Exactly Jeff I took as a slight that I was too immature to be a parent because I talk about liking to party. This is exactly what he said and I am pretty sure it is exactly what he meant. I must have skipped that page in the parenting manual that says you are not allowed to discuss your social life with people on the internet while you are a parent.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:30:55 GMT -5

You'd be wrong about that. More than a few people took it that way actually and started defending Jess's parenting. From everything I know Jess is a great parent and I wouldn't call into question his methods. I also don't think that's what noD was trying to do.

The only one I saw was Sunfox, who seemed to be responding more to Jess's assertion that NoD had attacked his parenting skills than NoD's actual post. The others were just like "well obviously he's mature enough to raise good kids," which again to me spoke to the point that NoD was just calling Jess immature, not saying that this immaturity made him a bad parents. As Zapp also just said, the mention of the teenage kids was just to highlight Jess's age and illustrate how NoD thought it was lame that a grown man would be bragging about partying.

Good points. I just automatically considered the posts about Jess's parenting to mean they took it that way but now that I see what you're saying I guess even those posts are up to the interpretation of the reader.

Post by EAP on Jul 20, 2012 14:34:41 GMT -5

bacon seriously? are you trying to make it worse?

we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY GODDAMN THING IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??)

this kind of reminds me of the time when noD said that b/c i posted a not so lady-like story in the sex thread, that i was a terrible teacher and did not deserve to have a job.

noD and juggs (or anyone else on this board for that matter) are NOT the world police OR the inforoo police.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:35:54 GMT -5

Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.

Not drunk just going to bars and drinking, calm yourself son. Also in Tn it is completely legal for a passenger to drink just not the driver. I don't drive when I am trashed

Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:37:07 GMT -5

we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??).

Post by wolfmanjess on Jul 20, 2012 14:39:50 GMT -5

Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.

Not drunk just going to bars and drinking, calm yourself son. Also in Tn it is completely legal for a passenger to drink just not the driver. I don't drive when I am trashed

Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.

I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.

Post by EAP on Jul 20, 2012 14:43:20 GMT -5

we aren't arguing about whether or not drunk driving is bad. we are arguing about the fact that once again, noD and juggs think they are better than everyone, their opinion is the end all to end all, they know everything about EVERY goddang THING IN THE WHOLE quacking WORLD. (is that right guys?? did i leave anything out??).

That's not what we're arguing at all actually.

actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.

Post by on Jul 20, 2012 14:47:27 GMT -5

Come on EAP you know that's not true. Read the comments. All that was said is that nodepression finds grown men talking about how much they party is lame. Neither he nor Juggs said anything about Jess's parenting skills.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:48:27 GMT -5

Jess, to me this post implies that you drive after a few drinks even though you are not wasted. That's how I took it.

Like....wouldn't you just say that the driver isn't drinking? The way you word it and say "not drunk" makes me think that you drive while having a couple of drinks but aren't wasted so you felt it's okay. That's how I read that. Then you add that you don't drive when you are trashed but I think many people's issue is that you shouldn't drive at all unless you are sober.

I am going out to Yazoo this afternoon with Jho and Dan'Roo how long should we wait after our last beer until we drive over to corsair? For that matter you did not have any problem riding with me after I did the same thing with idio and his wife. I am pretty sure I know myself well enough to not drive drunk, or when I would be a danger. If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.

Jess, I think you're confusing things here or reading posts too fast. I am just saying how I interpreted that post from you and why some people are possibly upset about it.

I didn't say I had a problem with when we drove and I didn't say that I specifically agree with the people who think you should be 100% sober when driving. I was merely trying to point out why people have a problem with your initial posts that started the reaction.

All I was doing was saying that some people feel that you shouldn't have a few drinks while driving or before driving. Some people think you should be 100% sober. I never said that I was one of them. I didn't really give my opinion on that topic...just trying to clarify things and why people assumed you were driving while drinking (even if you weren't "wasted" or "trashed").

Post by wolfmanjess on Jul 20, 2012 14:49:31 GMT -5

If these people are implying that you should only be 100% sober behind the wheel they need to wake up and join the real world.

It would certainly be preferable to me if this were the case in the "real world".

I live at least 5 miles from the nearest bar, sorry you can think it is preferable but it is not how the real world operates. I think it would be preferable if corn was legal and cops were required to call me sir and treat me with respect but hey I live in the real world. Also if this is your gripe you and Bacon go start a thread about it, all I can say is that the 2-3 times I have been through a sobriety checkpoint driving after the bar in the past 10 years I have never been given a bit of trouble. My point right now is people who seem to want to tie how immature they think I am into my parenting skills.

Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 20, 2012 14:49:54 GMT -5

actually it is. we are arguing over the fact that they believe they know what a good parent is and what a good parent isn't.

Please give it a rest EAP because that's not what is being argued at all. You're blowing things way out of proportion. No need for hyperbole...just talk like a normal person. Juggs and noD said nothing like that and both have repeatedly pointed out they weren't even talking about parenting. So stop pelase.