Saw this posted on a Youtube comments section: "!) How exactly do you explain India still being 80% Hindu, if Muslims were allegedly "persecuting" them?! And I say to you were are the Aztec, Mayan, Inca, Sioux, Navajo, and other religions of the Natives they BARELY exist at all because of such thorough Christian persecution and genocide."

I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death. I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse.”Richard Dawkins

Both the Muslims and Hindus lived in iron age that is were more or less equal in the possession of war weapons whereas native American religions were of bronze age period while the Europeans were an iron age people.The Hindus succumbed as they were divided into tiny kingdoms while Muslims attacked without respite with superior Central Asian cavalry tactics.

Also it is said that in Islam , prophets sent to non-Arabic nations would judge non-Arabic peoples on day of judgement so there might have been some leverage to conquered Hindus in terms of keeping their customs and traditions.

LCD also said recently that God will judge the believers and non believers differently on the day of judgement but he did not specify whether or not such a judgement would be more lenient or less lenient towards the infidels.

LCD wrote:Read Romans. God judges the Pagan different from the Believer.

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In 1447, the Sultan ordered the governor of Daulatabad, Malik-ut-tujjar, to undertake a campaign in the western parts of Bahamani kingdom to punish the recalcitrant chiefs and also reduce the coastal districts including Sahgamesvar. He succeeded in the former, but miserably failed in the latter. Malik-ut-tujjar along with his army was led to a dense forest by Raja Sankar Rav Sirke of Khelna or Visalgad. and was killed in a surprise attack. The entire Muslim army was massacred. The Bahamanis took a long time to recover from this shock and re-establish their power in that region

In Kampili people withheld taxes and surrounded the Muslim governor in his headquarters. The Sultan's imperial army conquered Nagarkot the next year. When they invaded Qarachal in the Himalayan region, the Hindus found refuge in the mountains and attacked the army that had been devastated by disease until only three officers remained, according to Ibn Battuta, a judge in Delhi at the time

Thus in September of 1681, after settling his dispute with the royal house of Mewar, Aurangzeb began his journey to Deccan to kill the Maratha confederacy that was not even 50 years old. On his side, the Mughal king had enormous army numbering half a million soldiers, a number more than three times that of the Maratha army. He had plentiful support of artillery, horses, elephants. He also brought huge wealth in royal treasuries. Teaming up with Portughese, British ,Siddis, Golkonda and Bijapur Sultanates he planned to encapsulate Marathas from all sides and to form a deadly death trap. To an outsider, it would seem no-brainer to predict the outcome of such vastly one sided war. It seemed like the perfect storm headed towards Maratha confederacy.

Enormous death and destruction followed in Deccan for what seemed like eternity. But what happened at the end would defy all imaginations and prove every logic wrong. Despite lagging in resources on all fronts, it would be the Marathas who triumphed. And at the expense of all his treasure, army, power and life, it would be the invading emperor who learned a very costly lesson, that the will of people to fight for their freedom should never be underestimated.

Conquest will not always be a cake walk when both the parties belong to the iron age.

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About the year 1442 Deva Raya began to consider more seriously hissituation in relation to his powerful neighbour at Kulbarga.

"He called[111] a general council of his nobility and principalbramins, observing to them that as his country of Carnatic in extent,population, and revenue far exceeded the territories of the houseof Bahmenee; land in like manner his army was far more numerous,wished therefore to explore the cause of the mussulmauns' successes,and his being reduced to pay them tribute. Some said … that thesuperiority of the mussulmauns arose from two circumstances: one,all their horses being strong, and able to bear more fatigue than theweak, lean animals of Carnatic; the other, a great body of excellentarchers always kept up by the sultans of the house of Bahmenee,of whom the roy had but few in his army.

Deo Roy upon this gave orders for the entertainment of mussulmaunsin his service, allotted them jaghires,[112] erected a mosquefor their use in the city of Beejanuggur, and commanded that noone should molest them in the exercise of their religion. He alsoordered a koraun to be placed before his throne, on a rich desk,that the mussulmauns might perform the ceremony of obeisance in hispresence, without sinning against their laws. He also made all theHindoo soldiers learn the discipline of the bow; in which he and hisofficers used such exertions, that he had at length two thousandmussulmauns and sixty thousand Hindoos, well skilled in archery,besides eighty thousand horse and two hundred thousand foot, armedin the usual manner with pikes and lances."

Horses bred in the sub-continent lose their natural stamina due to grass deficient in certain nutrients according to Akhilesh Mittal and for that reason fresh Arabian and Persian breed horses were imported by Vijay Nagar kings from Portuguese middlemen of Goa.

Bottomline is whoever had better war machinery triumphed in the Hindu-muslim wars.

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For the first time on the Indian mainland extensive use was made of European (Portuguese) and Ottoman Turkish artillery and firearms. This battle preceded the first battle of Panipat (between Babur and Ibrahim Lodi in 1526 CE) by six years. A general misconception has been created that gunpowder cannons were used for the first time by Babur. Gunpowder use was not unknown in South India. Both Vijayanagar and the Bahmani sultanate used explosive mines, cannons and firearms in their wars in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries (FIRISHTA).

But this was the first time that the most technologically up to date artillery was used by both the opponents

When both sides have more or less the same weaponry , battles won't be one-sided as in case of the European and native American conflicts.

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"On the 14th of Zeekaud (A.H. 767, or Thursday, July 23, A.D. 1366), the armies of light and darkness met. From the dawn till four in the afternoon, like the waves of the ocean, they continued in warm conflict with each other, and great numbers were slain on both sides. Mooseh Khan and Eeseh Khan, who commanded the right and left wings of Khan Mahummud's line, drank the sherbet of martyrdom, and their troops broke; which misfortune had nearly given a blow to the army of Islaam. At this instant Mahummud Shaw appeared with three thousand fresh horse. This restored the spirits of Khan Mahummud as also of the disordered troops, who rallied and joined him. Mukkrib Khan, advancing with the artillery, was not wanting in execution, greatly disordering the enemy's horse and foot. He asked leave to charge and complete the rout. Khan Mahummud upon this, detached a number of the nobility to support him, and permitted him to advance; which he did with such rapidity that the infidels had not time to use fireworks (I.E. cannon), but cane to short weapons such as swords and daggers. At this time an elephant, named Sheer Shikar,[54] belonging to Khan Mahummud, refused the guidance of his driver, and rushed into the center of the enemy's line, where he was stopped by the elephants of Hoje Mul Roy, and his driver was killed. Khan Mahummud with five hundred horse followed, and the elephant becoming unruly, turned upon the enemy, throwing their ranks into confusion. Hoje Mul Roy, after receiving a mortal wound, fled, and his followers no longer made resistance. The infidels, seeing their center broke, fled on all sides. The scymetars of the faithful were not yet sheathed from slaughter when the royal umbrella appeared. The sultan gave orders to renew the massacre of the unbelievers. They were executed with such strictness that pregnant women, and even children at the breast, did not escape the sword.

When the muslim infantry was on the verge of collapse , the cavalry salvaged the situation for them and turned the tables in their favour.

Muhammad returned to the plains of Tarain with a new army the following year.Once again he was heavily outnumbered, his 12, 000 men facing an alleged 100, 000 Hindus. Muhammad conducted a masterly mobile battle against the largely static defenders. Employing Turkish tactics to which the Hindus had no adequate response, his cavalry harried the Rajput flanks and showered their ranks with arrows while eschewing the hand-to-hand combat at which the Rajputs excelled. The Hindus were unable to chase the elusive cavalry without dangerously exposing themselves and thus were forced to endure the attrition of the Muslim arrows. When Muhammad finally judged his enemy sufficiently worn down, he charged their centre and routed them. Prithviraja died in the mêlée. The battle proved decisive and Delhi was captured in 1192-3. The whole of northern India fell to the Muslims within twenty years.

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pert wrote:Saw this posted on a Youtube comments section: "!) How exactly do you explain India still being 80% Hindu, if Muslims were allegedly "persecuting" them?! And I say to you were are the Aztec, Mayan, Inca, Sioux, Navajo, and other religions of the Natives they BARELY exist at all because of such thorough Christian persecution and genocide."

The mullahs and the sufis howled at this “sacrilege”. Barani mourned: “Should the king consider the payment of a few tankas by way of jiziya as sufficient justification for their allowing all possible freedom to the infidels to observe and demonstrate all orders and detail of infidelity, to read the misleading literature of their faith, and to propagate their teachings,how could the true religion get the upper hand over other religions, and how could the emblems of Islam be held high? How will the true faith prevail if rulers allow the infidels to keep their temples, adorn their idols, and to make merry during their festivals with beating of drums and dhols, singing and dancing?”

The muslim clergy of three schools of thought had the intent of making their perceived true religion gaining an upper hand or prevailing over other religions by hook or crook ,but they did not get what they wanted.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi waived loans to the tune of hundreds of thousands of rupees for corporate firms.Yet he is not prepared to give even a few thousand crores to debt ridden remnant Andhra Pradesh(debts due to unjust division in 2014) for constructing the national project of Polavaram.

pert wrote:Saw this posted on a Youtube comments section: "!) How exactly do you explain India still being 80% Hindu, if Muslims were allegedly "persecuting" them?! And I say to you were are the Aztec, Mayan, Inca, Sioux, Navajo, and other religions of the Natives they BARELY exist at all because of such thorough Christian persecution and genocide."

Read somewhere on the net that Allah and his believers will wean away their righful share of believers from non-believers.That means converting some of non-believers by hook or crook and allowing some other non-believers live in their old fashion.Might be that is the reason why Persia , India and Spain were attacked as told by frankie as those nations possibly refused proselytisation or created/represented obstacles in the path of conversion.That might also be the reason why some Hindus were allowed to live with their old ways even after conquest in certain parts of India.

I remember distinctly of some historical muslim rulers rejoicing that the Hindus they converted would now amount to atleast a million more faithful by the day of Judgement.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi waived loans to the tune of hundreds of thousands of rupees for corporate firms.Yet he is not prepared to give even a few thousand crores to debt ridden remnant Andhra Pradesh(debts due to unjust division in 2014) for constructing the national project of Polavaram.

Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like "punishing" the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526).

It is true that Muslims rulers who had men of vigour as their soldiers and the Turkish bow to their advantage could have slaughtered hundreds of malnourished veggie mimicking civilian Hindus.(A 1,00,000 strong muslim mob is managed by a 5,000 strong contingent of Indian army in Kashmir).

But then most of the slaughters listed by Ferishta pertain to Karanataka where Hindus are a lot lot pious back then.Karnataka was the place where the movement of Veera Saivism(Brave shaivism) took root abolishing caste and granting equality to all those that believe in the Supreme godhood of Shiva.When Brahmins said that they are superior due to their adherence to veggism,Veera shaivaites also resorted to veggism.Then the veerashaivites formed their own sect of Lingayaths which later on transformed into a seperate caste.

Now other Hindus of other areas are not that veggie and hence it is likely that they too wielded the sword with as much agility as the muslims and might be not as many Hindus got killed as it is made out to be.

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As was their practice, before the beginning of hostilities, the Hindu kings also sent a messenger to Masud that this land being theirs, his troops should peacefully vacate it .But Masud sent a reply that all land belonged to Khuda (the Persianized version of Allah) and he could settle wherever he pleased. And that it was his holy duty to convert to Islam all those who did not recognize his Khuda and accept Islam.

Both Muslims and Christians seem to believe that all the earth belongs to their so called Most High or God and perhaps it is this belief that prompted them to convert or exterminate pagans or kafirs to the extent possible and colonise their lands.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi waived loans to the tune of hundreds of thousands of rupees for corporate firms.Yet he is not prepared to give even a few thousand crores to debt ridden remnant Andhra Pradesh(debts due to unjust division in 2014) for constructing the national project of Polavaram.

As was their practice, before the beginning of hostilities, the Hindu kings also sent a messenger to Masud that this land being theirs, his troops should peacefully vacate it .But Masud sent a reply that all land belonged to Khuda (the Persianized version of Allah) and he could settle wherever he pleased. And that it was his holy duty to convert to Islam all those who did not recognize his Khuda and accept Islam.

Both Muslims and Christians seem to believe that all the earth belongs to their so called Most High or God and perhaps it is this belief that prompted them to convert or exterminate pagans or kafirs to the extent possible and colonise their lands.

Another myth, folklore and fairy tales in the history of Hinduism.

Jomo Kenyatta, President of Kenya “When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed.When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

As was their practice, before the beginning of hostilities, the Hindu kings also sent a messenger to Masud that this land being theirs, his troops should peacefully vacate it .But Masud sent a reply that all land belonged to Khuda (the Persianized version of Allah) and he could settle wherever he pleased. And that it was his holy duty to convert to Islam all those who did not recognize his Khuda and accept Islam.

Both Muslims and Christians seem to believe that all the earth belongs to their so called Most High or God and perhaps it is this belief that prompted them to convert or exterminate pagans or kafirs to the extent possible and colonise their lands.

Another myth, folklore and fairy tales in the history of Hinduism.

I gave quotes regarding similarity between what Muslims historically believed and what is written in the Bible and what Christians historically believed(not right now it seems).I did not provide any cock and bull Hindu folklore in the above quote.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi waived loans to the tune of hundreds of thousands of rupees for corporate firms.Yet he is not prepared to give even a few thousand crores to debt ridden remnant Andhra Pradesh(debts due to unjust division in 2014) for constructing the national project of Polavaram.

And which religion is true.Buddhism seems to be the closest to the truth.As far as I am concerned,by telling that the Most Compassionate God himself will have lesser compassion than me in not sending people to eternal fire and brimstone hell,Islam and Christianity have discredited themselves.They too are of the same category as Hinduism,folklore woven with intertwining of facts with fiction.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi waived loans to the tune of hundreds of thousands of rupees for corporate firms.Yet he is not prepared to give even a few thousand crores to debt ridden remnant Andhra Pradesh(debts due to unjust division in 2014) for constructing the national project of Polavaram.