MYSTERY CLONE BABY DUE IN JANUARY

Yea! Science is here, and it is good. Think about it, need a kidney transplant, you have a donor, need a liver, same thing. Do you know how much
people pay for organs? Think what would happen if the organs were made for the person who needed it, not on a waiting list that seems to get longer
when someone with a few more bucks pays a little more to make it up on the list.

I know, they human, soul, a living thing, blah blah blah. Who cares, they can also be used for medical studies. You get someone who gets
alhiemerzes(sp?) you then clone them, wait a long time, I know, but still, anyways, and study that being, figure out how, what, and when it starts.
Figure out what causes it so they can cure it. Or need a way to test new drugs without harming the general public, if you have clones of the general
range of people the drug is made to cure, use them to find any side effects.

Cloning is a great advance that if taken in the right hands can bring about the annialation of many genetic and other diseases. Of course, you listen
to religous folks, it, along with just about everything else medical and science, should be banned and we should be taken back to the days of middle
age of 15 and the common cold killing millions.

Anyways, go cloning, boo religons, well, massed religons. For god wrote ten commandments for every religon, but never wrote a book.

Just for the record....since it really bother's me...Moses wrote the ten commandment's...not god. He went up those mountain's alone and came
back with them. He was the leader so to speak, of those people during exodus. He needed some way to control them.... Think about it...

Toltec,

I understand your point of view.... But if indivualism makes a soul, then what is the soul made from in itself? Just experiance's? From our own
personalities? How do these bear birth to a semi-physical object called the soul? Not only that....but now we have the problem of being
born without asoul....since we haven't experianced the world yet while we're in the womb...

God wrote the 10 commandments (twice), Moses chronicled the commandments and the event. But I appreciate you correcting that point with JTL; I've
pretty much given up on him.

Toltec, I got the scale comment, and I thought it was pretty funny. I hope it was meant to be a joke, I don't want to laugh at a real idea.

We were created in God's image, a triunal man. We have a body, a soul and a spirit. Couldn't it be assumed that is what seperates us from the
beast, allows us abstract thought and intelligent reasoning (well, most of us)? Not only could Bach create awe-inspiring music, but we can listen to
and be moved by it. We can conceptualize a reciprocating engince and, given a little more time, can design a turbin jet engine. Chimps, as smart and
as dexterious as they are, can't do anything compared to us, yet they are very intelligent little creatures.

BTW, JamesG, why would Moses need to control the people in such a manner? Those laws that he brought down weren't civil crowd control measures and
there were other beliefs as evident as they were setting Aaron up to build a new idol while Moses was gone, remember? If it were population control
soley, it'd be easier to run with the publics more desired religion and create around that, I'd think.

All I know, is he went up alone and came down alone...He claimed the commandment's were written by god....no one but him saw this happen
though.... Falls under thesame problem of man being the true author of the bible...

They both claim something...god wrote it...but really they were written by men who only claim the works come from god....

I also found something very interesting....I need to look into it more though....

James can something that is "corporeal" express itself as such but not be within our sphere of orientation. This is to say from our vantage point we
understand only the wave aspect (of the soul) and therefore we do not attribute solidity to it. The particle aspect does in fact exist but it is
related to reality on another scale?

"Truth" cloning is not creating its taking the genetic information of one person and making a copy. I did notice you presented no biblical
reference's to support your statement. So where exactly is it in the Bible that states we cannot make copies of ourselves?

Personally am not really big on the subject either, but mostly that is because of the way our world is organized. We really do not need clones to
make organs, stem cell research will one day find the means to make human organs from the adult doner/patients cells.

The real problem with cloning is how they will be treated. The misconceptions that exist in relation to the extent, human physiology allows for
survival (even after what is often called death). To me the soul is something that could very well have a physiological basis, but portend to an
aspect of human physiology that is Quantum based (just as the immune system is molecule based). So if you clone a human he or she has a soul.

A worst case scenario in relation to cloning, is that one day mankind will develop the ability to perform Brain Transplants. So an individual could
clone himself at a very young age and when he is old transfer his brain to the cloned compatible body. This type of scenario could potentially become
legitimized, if man learns how to develop
a human clone. In which all its parts are present with exception of a human nervous
system. Since the central nervous system is responsible for maintaining the body, an alternative way to do so would have to be devised which is not
sentient.

Fact of the matter is the above scenario is so far away from being realized it qualifies as Science Fiction. As well by the time we learned to do
things like this it will be easier and probably preferable to use mechanical devises. There are other scenarios like building an army of clones (as
popularized in a recent movie) truth is "Truth" it is possible that such a thing could be considered. The problem with this is, just because the
donor you chose is loyal to the bitter end. does not guarantee its clones will take the same position .That a human clone is being attempted probably
means that we have cloned just about every animal needed to draw a conclusion. The question being would a human clone be capable of independent
thought.

If god didn't want man to clone or 'play god', he wouldn't have given us the abilities to do so....Soooo obviously, he wanted this done, since it
is being done....

Just like, if he didn't want evil in his universe...he wouldn't have created it.... Your god is a highly illogical god of creation and
destruction, that dislikes many things. Yet, with all the power's of the universe at his disposal, he seems very very incapable of combating the
thing's he dislike's... Why? He is a human... A man. A creation of your very mind to explain thing's which you have no intrest in learning about.

F16 you can only play God when you try to pass judgment on his intent. Like if you clone a human and decide he is soulless.

Poor kid not even born yet and people are calling him names

I have a question, how would you feel "Truth" if we developed the Technology to take the blood samples from the Shroud of Turin and make a clone
(presumably of Jesus). Would he then be a soulless man made creation? This given as well that the Clone can do all the miracles that Jesus did?

All I know, is he went up alone and came down alone...He claimed the commandment's were written by god....no one but him saw this happen
though.... Falls under thesame problem of man being the true author of the bible...

They both claim something...god wrote it...but really they were written by men who only claim the works come from god....

I also found something very interesting....I need to look into it more though....

Anywho.... Does anyone know if the hebrew's came from the sumerians?

I understand where you are coming from, James. I never said skepticism didn't make sense!!

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