Yes, it's unlikely, but what if Cruz lined up across Megatron next season? Giants have been struggling to even start serious talks with his agent. Maybe give them the 5th pick and a player for Cruz and a 2nd (I may be mistaken, can you add in a pick when trading for a RFA)?

He wants to get paid, but not Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings type of paid, around 9.5 mill a year. If we lined him up across Calvin you can legitimately make a case for it being a top five all time offense.

April 3rd, 2013, 2:18 pm

regularjoe12

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Re: Victor Cruz

Shotty wrote:

Yes, it's unlikely, but what if Cruz lined up across Megatron next season? Giants have been struggling to even start serious talks with his agent. Maybe give them the 5th pick and a player for Cruz and a 2nd (I may be mistaken, can you add in a pick when trading for a RFA)?

He wants to get paid, but not Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings type of paid, around 9.5 mill a year. If we lined him up across Calvin you can legitimately make a case for it being a top five all time offense.

That ties up an awful lot of money in one position. I like him as a player but i cant see us fielding a competative team with over 30 mil tied up at WR.

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April 3rd, 2013, 2:49 pm

DJ-B

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Re: Victor Cruz

Many teams with 1 Top End Receiver struggle to go deep in playoffs because of the cost at that 1 player. make that 2 10 million dollar WRs and wed have to hit on every pick int he draft for the next 2 seasons to field a quality team (and nobody hits on every pick). We just cant afford it.

April 3rd, 2013, 3:07 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Victor Cruz

DJ-B wrote:

Many teams with 1 Top End Receiver struggle to go deep in playoffs because of the cost at that 1 player. make that 2 10 million dollar WRs and wed have to hit on every pick int he draft for the next 2 seasons to field a quality team (and nobody hits on every pick). We just cant afford it.

April 3rd, 2013, 3:16 pm

kdsberman

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Re: Victor Cruz

Bad idea, NO.

April 3rd, 2013, 4:03 pm

DJ-B

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Re: Victor Cruz

Why the hate wjb (or did I misunderstand the stupid sign?).

I figured you be the 1st to agree that investing in 2 10million + receivers is a recipe for disaster for any team.

April 3rd, 2013, 5:20 pm

frok

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Re: Victor Cruz

As of right now I think the Lions only have like 6mil in cap space. Need to do something regarding that first.

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April 3rd, 2013, 5:23 pm

kdsberman

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Re: Victor Cruz

frok wrote:

As of right now I think the Lions only have like 6mil in cap space. Need to do something regarding that first.

Victor Cruz looking for north of $10 million per yearPosted by Darin Gantt on April 4, 2013, 1:12 PM EDT

The Giants have offered restricted free agent wide receiver Victor Cruz a long-term deal worth $7 million a year, which considering the current climate, seemed to at least be in the neighborhood.

But it’s apparently not close to what Cruz and his new representatives are looking for.

According to Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News, several league sources said Cruz was asking for closer to $10 million to $11 million per year.

That’s the gulf between Dolphins-are-desperate-and-have-a-stadium-referendum-coming money, and the established market for slot receivers.

Of course, Cruz should make more than Wes Welker based on age alone (he’s 26 to Welker’s 31).

But wanting eight figures per year indicates an ambition beyond the realities of the current market, the kind of thing that leads a player to align himself with stars in hopes of even greater riches.

Good for him if he gets it, but he could end up with a long wait and a roll-the-dice year on the restricted free agent tender of $2.879 million, because those kind of deals are few and far between this offseason.

Looks like he does want Mike Wallace money, not that it was possible if he didn't.

April 4th, 2013, 1:44 pm

DJ-B

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Re: Victor Cruz

DJ-B wrote:

Why the hate wjb (or did I misunderstand the stupid sign?).

I figured you be the 1st to agree that investing in 2 10million + receivers is a recipe for disaster for any team.

Not trying to start an argument but posting it again in hopes WJB responds. Just not sure if I misunderstood his post, or if there is evidence of some teams with 2 x 10m $ receivers with late postseason success. Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne may have been close with Indy but Im having a hard time coming up with another Duo who were top 5-6 in the league both on the same team that didn't prevent the team from having enough quality players at other positions.

April 4th, 2013, 6:53 pm

LionsAllDay

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Re: Victor Cruz.

We can get about 5M for cutting NB next offseason, restructuring Staff, and the salary cap increase will make it easier on us. Maybe a 4 year $45 million dollar deal and our first for their 2nd and the new greatest show on turf?

April 4th, 2013, 7:59 pm

wjb21ndtown

Re: Victor Cruz

DJ-B wrote:

DJ-B wrote:

Why the hate wjb (or did I misunderstand the stupid sign?).

I figured you be the 1st to agree that investing in 2 10million + receivers is a recipe for disaster for any team.

Not trying to start an argument but posting it again in hopes WJB responds. Just not sure if I misunderstood his post, or if there is evidence of some teams with 2 x 10m $ receivers with late postseason success. Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne may have been close with Indy but Im having a hard time coming up with another Duo who were top 5-6 in the league both on the same team that didn't prevent the team from having enough quality players at other positions.

You misunderstood me... I was calling us both stupid for being "fiscally responsible"

April 4th, 2013, 8:13 pm

kdsberman

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Re: Victor Cruz.

Shotty wrote:

We can get about 5M for cutting NB next offseason, restructuring Staff, and the salary cap increase will make it easier on us. Maybe a 4 year $45 million dollar deal and our first for their 2nd and the new greatest show on turf?

With the needs on O-line and defense, you seriously want to spend money on a WR? We dont need a high caliber WR. Someone like Massaquoi would do just fine. If Mayhew even attempted to find a way to get Victor Cruz, thatll be the last ounce of support ill have for him.

April 4th, 2013, 8:31 pm

The Legend

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Re: Victor Cruz.

kdsberman wrote:

Shotty wrote:

We can get about 5M for cutting NB next offseason, restructuring Staff, and the salary cap increase will make it easier on us. Maybe a 4 year $45 million dollar deal and our first for their 2nd and the new greatest show on turf?

With the needs on O-line and defense, you seriously want to spend money on a WR? We dont need a high caliber WR. Someone like Massaquoi would do just fine. If Mayhew even attempted to find a way to get Victor Cruz, thatll be the last ounce of support ill have for him.

I honestly think the Lions do need another high caliber WR. Massaquoi is not even a quality player. He s a serviceable 4 at best. I dont think the Lions strategy of leaving massive holes all over both sides of the ball is all that much better than really making one side of the ball strong and going cheap on the other side. My thought would be to use as many resources as possible on offense as that seems to be the way the league is evolving. Defensively, they need to run a scheme where they dont have to pay as much for the players. Perhaps they have that with this wide 9 scheme and they think that they can just put speed rushers at ends. Still they shouldnt be paying money to resign players like Levy at > $3million/year when he is not even an average linebacker. That player should be replaceable with a late round draft pick like T. Lewis, Whitehead or what seems to be an earlier wasted pick used on R. Lewis, or a later pick in this draft. They ve totally misread the market on players like Houston and Delmas. There was a large corner surplus with quality veterans going late in the process for much less money than either got. Im okay with the Quinn signing bc they need to have a dependable player back there but they overpaid for Delmas and Houston. I think they would have been better off signing less familiar, but more reliable and cheaper players at the 2nd S and CB slot and spending that money for more weapons for Stafford. Reggie Bush was a start but he s not as good as Best. Burleson wasnt quite good enough as the No 2 WR to begin with, now his cap number is higher and isnt likely to be as good coming off a fracture into his knee. Broyles, who knows but he s a slot type. Expecting much more out of Pettigrew seems futile. The OL is trying to replace ineffective starters with there prior backups - all of whom are inexperienced - so dont expect more time for Stafford to throw. Stafford is at his best when he gets the ball out quickly and in rhythm. So far the Lions havent done enough to help their franchise which is Stafford.

April 4th, 2013, 9:01 pm

kdsberman

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Re: Victor Cruz

Not to make this a Massaquoi thread, but you dont even know how good he can actually be. Whos his QBs since being here?

I still dont believe we need another top end WR. A guy that can take pressure off of Calvin is plenty good enough. He almost had 2000 yards without that WR, imagine if we had one. Heyward-Bey would have been perfect.