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Not to mention all of the stuff you're bringing up is LAST YEAR... We're talking about the MVP race THIS YEAR.

I'm not saying Chris Paul doesn't have the ability to be clutch or a good closer I'm not saying he's never done it in the past.

Right now he looks meek. Quite honestly looked like Pablo Prigioni in several games recently, not that it's mattered because they've been winning but when you're the best PG in the league, best player on your team and you pass up several wide open 3 point shots that tells me something.

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Originally Posted by smokes

Actually they probably wouldnt have lost no, anyone can hit intentional foul free throws. Even if they would have lost it would be because the clippers are freaking awful without cp3... Doesn't mean he's a good closer it means he's the only player who remotely resembles a closer on their team.

Sorry but scoring multiple free throws when your team is up 4-6 points is not clutch to me. If you watched that game and thought it was a clutch performance from him idk what to say.

I'm really not interested in manipulated stats or videos of a particular game, I've watched several clipper games this year while following Bledsoe and for the most part cp3 is shying away from taking or making big shots. Not MVP behaviour.

You're being stubborn.
You have no information that proves CP3 is a bad closer.

It's not clutch to you? Who are, Steve Nash? Lets see you make a free throw when the game is the on the line. Basketball isn't as easy as you think. Come back to reality.

CP3 stats from 2012 still indicate the dude is an elite player in the 4th quarter, he has the ability to preform, not only in the previous season but all throughout his career, and theres nothing you have to prove he can't do it this year. CP3 ain't Pau Gasol, you're acting stubborn and illogical assuming CP3 lost this closer ability.

You haven't watched enough Clippers games well enough then. Paul is the reason why Clippers are elite. MVP behavior? That doesn't even exist. Come up with something more understandable and atleast take the time make sense and explain it better, you're talking out of your ass right now...haven't provided any objective information to this thread and really talking out of how you feel on CP3 and not what you know about him, which is showing to be very little. Paul guided the Clippers to a 16-0 record -- the best monthly mark in franchise history -- in which they won their games by an average of 15.8 points. The Clippers joined the 1995-96 Spurs and 1971-72 Lakers as the only teams in NBA history to complete a calendar month with a record of 16-0. You really gotta shut up about this "Chris Paul passing up shots" nonsense. He's by far the best player on his team and his team is elite, keeping it simple for you, he's the biggest factor on that team. You don't need to close out games when your team is winning the games by 15 points on average, numb nuts.

With Chris Paul at the helm, the Clippers have compiled a 25-8 record. Chris Paul is top 3-4 in PER and it's only going to increase.

You're being stubborn.
You have no information that proves CP3 is a bad closer.

It's not clutch to you? Who are, Steve Nash? Lets see you make a free throw when the game is the on the line. Basketball isn't as easy as you think. Come back to reality.

CP3 stats from 2012 still indicate the dude is an elite player in the 4th quarter, he has the ability to preform, not only in the previous season but all throughout his career, and theres nothing you have to prove he can't do it this year. CP3 ain't Pau Gasol, you're acting stubborn and illogical assuming CP3 lost this closer ability.

You haven't watched enough Clippers games well enough then. Paul is the reason why Clippers are elite. MVP behavior? That doesn't even exist. Come up with something more understandable and atleast take the time make sense and explain it better, you're talking out of your ass right now...haven't provided any objective information to this thread and really talking out of how you feel on CP3 and not what you know about him, which is showing to be very little. Paul guided the Clippers to a 16-0 record -- the best monthly mark in franchise history -- in which they won their games by an average of 15.8 points. The Clippers joined the 1995-96 Spurs and 1971-72 Lakers as the only teams in NBA history to complete a calendar month with a record of 16-0. You really gotta shut up about this "Chris Paul passing up shots" nonsense. He's by far the best player on his team and his team is elite, keeping it simple for you, he's the biggest factor on that team. You don't need to close out games when your team is winning the games by 15 points on average, numb nuts.

With Chris Paul at the helm, the Clippers have compiled a 25-8 record. Chris Paul is top 3-4 in PER and it's only going to increase.

Chris paul is their best closer, but that says more about the clippers then him. I don't think he is a good closer, but he isn't bad to have closing. Really i think it boils down to him being in n.o. And getting blown out so much he really hasn't been put in a position in which he was able to establish himself as a good or bad closer... However with his offensive skillset i don't think it would render him a good closer. If there isn't a gray area and it was good or bad that this debate is over, with his skillset i would say he isn't a good closer and maybe eric bledsoe can grow into that. As of now he will be the closer and he'll likely fail at hitting a big shot more then making it. Or he will succeed in finding an open man and them taking the shot.

You're being stubborn.
You have no information that proves CP3 is a bad closer.

It's not clutch to you? Who are, Steve Nash? Lets see you make a free throw when the game is the on the line. Basketball isn't as easy as you think. Come back to reality.

CP3 stats from 2012 still indicate the dude is an elite player in the 4th quarter, he has the ability to preform, not only in the previous season but all throughout his career, and theres nothing you have to prove he can't do it this year. CP3 ain't Pau Gasol, you're acting stubborn and illogical assuming CP3 lost this closer ability.

You haven't watched enough Clippers games well enough then. Paul is the reason why Clippers are elite. MVP behavior? That doesn't even exist. Come up with something more understandable and atleast take the time make sense and explain it better, you're talking out of your ass right now...haven't provided any objective information to this thread and really talking out of how you feel on CP3 and not what you know about him, which is showing to be very little. Paul guided the Clippers to a 16-0 record -- the best monthly mark in franchise history -- in which they won their games by an average of 15.8 points. The Clippers joined the 1995-96 Spurs and 1971-72 Lakers as the only teams in NBA history to complete a calendar month with a record of 16-0. You really gotta shut up about this "Chris Paul passing up shots" nonsense. He's by far the best player on his team and his team is elite, keeping it simple for you, he's the biggest factor on that team. You don't need to close out games when your team is winning the games by 15 points on average, numb nuts.

With Chris Paul at the helm, the Clippers have compiled a 25-8 record. Chris Paul is top 3-4 in PER and it's only going to increase.

Exactly, this year he has rarely been required to close out games for them because they win by large margins. The close games they have been involved in they mostly lose. Why is this? Yep you guessed it, because CP3 has a hard time creating a play in the half court down the stretch of close games (this isn't just on CP3, it's on the team as a whole).

Same reason I stated previously that I don't think they will be hugely successful in the playoffs. They could go through a couple of rounds but they won't beat OKC in the playoffs.

I would hazard a guess that I've watched more Clipper games than you this season, as I said I watch them whenever I can to see Bledsoe and also because they're an enjoyable team to watch.

I'm sure if you've been watching you've heard the Clippers announcers talking about their concerns over CP3 passing up wide open shots to the detriment of the team.

Sorry but seriously if you watched the game last night I don't know what you think about that performance was clutch... The Clippers nearly lost a 16 point lead in the fourth quarter. They could not make a play during the last 5 minutes of the game. Chris Paul hit one wide open 15 footer and got to the rim ONCE where he was routinely blocked by MWP but luckily D12 decided to foul him over the back.

He did not draw a single foul apart from the dubious one mentioned above, every other FT he hit the foul was given by the Lakers in an effort to get back into the game. Why are you even talking about ME taking free throws? Did I ever say I am in the MVP race? What I'm saying is I don't consider hitting free throws when you are leading by 4-6 points massively clutch. There's nowhere near the same pressure as when you're the trailing team or the game is down to one possession.

If you want to talk stats then let's talk stats.

The PER rating that you've been banging on has a quite simple guide for the level of a player.

25 PER is rated as "Weak MVP candidate"
30 PER is rated as "Strong MVP candidate"

If we want to talk about this season, Clippers are 8-1 against defending division champions.

2-0 vs SAS
2-0 vs LAL
0-1 vs OKC
2-0 vs CHI
1-0 vs BOS
1-0 vs MIA

They look pretty legit so far, thanks to the work of Paul.

Match up of the year will be Knicks vs Clippers on February 10th.

You're not wrong, he's leading his team to wins and that's awesome. I'm still undecided as to whether the Clips are legit title contenders though. They look great in the regular season but in those close, grind it out half court games they look pretty terrible unless Crawford is shooting lights out.

I just don't see him as a front runner right now because other players like Kobe, Lebron, Melo, Durant all put their teams on their backs and win games that they should have lost.

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Originally Posted by smokes

You're not wrong, he's leading his team to wins and that's awesome. I'm still undecided as to whether the Clips are legit title contenders though. They look great in the regular season but in those close, grind it out half court games they look pretty terrible unless Crawford is shooting lights out.

I just don't see him as a front runner right now because other players like Kobe, Lebron, Melo, Durant all put their teams on their backs and win games that they should have lost.

What do you reckon about the Crawford vs JR Smith 6th man debate?

I kinda favor JR Smith because he's came up defensively this season, both are sub 20 PER players, average about the same numbers; but JR Smith has taken the lead role when Melo was out and at moments, stepped up as a floor leader (a case where it goes beyond the numbers)

It's close. Like I said earlier, from KD to Duncan...and all the elite players between them I won't be made if they get the MVP if they all keep up their great play.

To consider our time table, it is January and around this time, Amar'e was getting MVP considerations in his first season as a Knick; he finished 5th I believe but guys can fall out of this race with just one injury...I think Durant is really pushing his game to the next level with the improved passing, defense and rebounding. Miami has to make a trade to get a center, preferably Dalembert/Gooden from the Bucks since they're not using those guys much.

I haven't watched Paul a lot since he became a Clipper, but a few games I've seen, despite his great numbers and clearly being an elite PG and clearly being their best payer, he doesn't have the fire he once had. Until his last Playoff run as Hornet, fans of the team including myself wondered if he could/would put up a performance like that anymore. What happened was in the first game he put up an AMAZING game. He admittedly saved himself for the Playoffs, which you could look at it different ways. Should he have not played that much in the regular season if he was gonna pass up wide-open shots and let the rest of the team form more chemistry without him? Was it good that he played with them and took it kinda easy on his body?etc.

Before that big injury Chris Paul had a fire to him. He still puts up numbers and leads his teams to enough wins that would be understandable why somebody would think he deserves to be high in the MVP votes, but his fire, which is important, doesn't seem to be there anymore.

I think Chris Paul in his prime would have had a much better chance beating the Spurs.

As of now I'm going by what I've seen a lot on the Hornets and some on the Clippers. I want to watch more games of his, then I'll give my opinion on him currently.

I voted for Melo, CP3, and Novak but Id have to say its undeniably Cliff Paul. That Clippers team has some talent...Blakes an all star. But they'd barely be a playoff team without CP3. I dont think they make the playoffs last year with just Blake Griff. Chris Paul might not match up with Lebron or Durant stat wise but his impact is just as big as Lebrons and bigger then Durants.

Lebrons in 2nd place with Melo just barely behind in 3rd. Where would the Heat be without Bron?

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