Like it. Gilbert is basically writing a $6MM check for a first round pick but whatever, it makes us worse this year and it isn't my money. And I don't think the cap room would have mattered anyway. I'm just disappointed I can't quote this clip at games anymore,

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor

Kingpin74 wrote:Like it. Gilbert is basically writing a $6MM check for a first round pick but whatever, it makes us worse this year and it isn't my money. I'm just disappointed I can't quote this clip at games anymore,

They owed Sessions and Eyenga the $6m for next year anyway. Sessions has player option and Eyenga would have been in last year of that deal.

Kingpin74 wrote:Like it. Gilbert is basically writing a $6MM check for a first round pick but whatever, it makes us worse this year and it isn't my money. And I don't think the cap room would have mattered anyway. I'm just disappointed I can't quote this clip at games anymore,

Gilbert is not wrighting any extra check.

The NBA Salary FLOOR, as in minimum they can spend is $49MM next year. After this trade they sit at.... $32MM

Fucking christ you guys love his dick.

The Cavs HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY THIS YEAR. A LOT.

This is a smart move and kudos to Grant, but fuck giving Gilbert fucking head for it.

BTW: this summer when all of the competitive balance bullshit was going on and you guys were talking about hard caps and salary floors I told you that upping the floor to harden the cap was going to fuck rebuilding teams into signing shit guys to contracts they don't deserve. You're about to see that first hand next off-season.

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: this summer when all of the competitive balance bullshit was going on and you guys were talking about hard caps and salary floors I told you that upping the floor to harden the cap was going to fuck rebuilding teams into signing shit guys to contracts they don't deserve. You're about to see that first hand next off-season.

Well... you can't have everything dude. Did little for competitive balance other than compensate the owners who can't be/won't be building super teams.

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: this summer when all of the competitive balance bullshit was going on and you guys were talking about hard caps and salary floors I told you that upping the floor to harden the cap was going to fuck rebuilding teams into signing shit guys to contracts they don't deserve. You're about to see that first hand next off-season.

Well... you can't have everything dude. Did little for competitive balance other than compensate the owners who can't be/won't be building super teams.

Some of us figured that out as you may remember.

Maybe you're speaking to Pros....

I'm sure he yelled in my general direction...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

e0y2e3 wrote:And yes, the Lakers have the right to swap with the Heat pick next year. You must now pray for Wade staying healthy!!!!

Thought I read we got the right to swap the Lake show's pick with either of our picks - not just Miami's. <acid>So when Kyree Isn't a Girls Name™ leads the Cavs to the championship next year and the Lakers and Miami are in the lottery we'll be able to have Miami and Lakers picks. </acid>

Walton's expiring contract next year could be useful. Man I liked Kapono when he was here. Always thought that he woulda fit well in the Stand Around and Watch Lebron offense that Brown ran.

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: this summer when all of the competitive balance bullshit was going on and you guys were talking about hard caps and salary floors I told you that upping the floor to harden the cap was going to fuck rebuilding teams into signing shit guys to contracts they don't deserve. You're about to see that first hand next off-season.

Is the floor a 'hard' floor or a 'soft' floor? If it's a soft floor and the Cavs can go under and just pay a penalty then no reason for them to sign overpriced shitballers. ie. 45 mil floor and the Cavs are at 40 then they just throw 5 mil into the bucket to make it even if they can't find a player smart enough to take 5 mil for a one year contract w/o expectations rather than retire.

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: this summer when all of the competitive balance bullshit was going on and you guys were talking about hard caps and salary floors I told you that upping the floor to harden the cap was going to fuck rebuilding teams into signing shit guys to contracts they don't deserve. You're about to see that first hand next off-season.

Is the floor a 'hard' floor or a 'soft' floor? If it's a soft floor and the Cavs can go under and just pay a penalty then no reason for them to sign overpriced shitballers. ie. 45 mil floor and the Cavs are at 40 then they just throw 5 mil into the bucket to make it even if they can't find a player smart enough to take 5 mil for a one year contract w/o expectations rather than retire.

Read this topic and thought it was a joke. Finally something I wanted to happen, happened. Christ on a crutch, it's about time. Unfortunately, I do like him as a player. He's consistent, has passion for the game, and I think he might even get a little better. But we've got our PG of the future, and a somewhat legitimate backup PG in Boobie; now we've got an extra pick, and more importantly, trade bait for the offseason.

There really isn't much not to like about this deal. Sessions would have been gone after this season anyways. Eyenga was worthless. Walton and Kapono may or may not suit up here, not that it matters either way. The cap space wouldn't have meant anything, since nobody's coming here anyways. Plus, as ey and others pointed out, it helps us get to the salary floor.

Basically it boils down to Sessions (who we would have lost for nothing) for a 1st round pick. It's one of those rare trades that seems to help both teams accomplish their goals.

The key to the deal IMO, is the unprotected pick swap with the Lakers next year. I think it is a good trade for both teams, when you take each teams situation into consideration. Mike Brown and an aging Laker roster could have us sitting in the lottery in 13. It's not likely, but it is feasible.

It also makes us worse now, and should help us get a better shot at one of them top three picks.

About the money, we ain't making any splashes with any 15-20 million a year player. Hopefully our cap will be eat up by homegrowns.

As with all trades, time will tell, but I love the move atm. Chris Grant is a good one.

e0y2e3 wrote:And Chris Grant still has Jamo on his roster, he only did a third of his job this year.

^^^^^ This

Why?? Fucking....... HOW?! You keep him on this team this year and it becomes obvious what you're thinking. We deal him - lose 1st/2nd best scorer on the team. Miss playoffs. Noone else beyond Kyrie that can really score. Help our chances at a solid draft pick. GREAT.

Keep him - make playoffs (doubtful but possible), and get eliminated promptly. Effing sweet! Fuck ourselves even more in another draft that isn't that thick. TERRIBLE.

Simple business practice: look at the short run and the long run. Weigh the pros and cons of each. Make a decision that reflects thinking. Obviously the Cavs aren't doing this.

I hate Cleveland's free agent practices. They're laughable. All of them. In the last year, the Tribe's done the best w/the free agent market, which I think is a little easier/more doable job in baseball IMO. But that being said, they've done the best.... and they ain't done much.

e0y2e3 wrote:Can someone, anyone give me any indication that this isn't a Laker's have the option for the Heat's pick deal. 500 people I saw report it had it that way.

We can swap the Miami pick for the Lakers pick in 2013. Initial reports were incorrect. Lakers will probably be worse than Miami, I would think. Maybe not by much, but next year's draft may be pretty deep too, or we could grab an international stash-dude. I like this deal.

We can also flip Walton's contract way easier next year than Jamo's this year. Hard to get salaries to line up with $15 mil.

Pau + Kobe + Bynum = VASTLY superior to the Celtics core. There is a snowballs chance in hell they are a lottery team.

Holy fuck people, that is two top ten players right now and a top 15-20. You could surround them with Troy Murphy, Derek Fisher, Steve Black, McBob, Kapono and Luke Walton and they would be a solid playoff team.

The only way they decline that far is a major injury.

And hoopdata sucks dick for salaries.

I swear you fuckers wouldn't know an NBA game if it smacked you in the face with its dick.

I still need some help with the traded picks thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this at any time. We have the right to switch 1st round picks only with the heat this year or next year. Next year we can switch any pick (even in the second round) with the Laker's first round pick. Isn't that what "least desirable pick" means? Worst pick in the draft?

To clarify, the Lakers are 27-16, good for 3rd seed if the season ended now. Houston is the 8th seed at 24-20. Not a whole lot of difference between 27-16 and 24-20.

With just a modest decline I can see the Lakers with the 6th-8th seed next year and getting eliminated in the first round. If Miami goes to the Finals the Cavs could be able to swap the 29th or 30th pick for the Lakers' pick, which would be in the 15-22 range. Best case scenario we're swapping the 30 for the 15.

Not earth shattering, but not insignificant, either. I'm just saying we can't assume the Lakers will be drafting 27th or thereabouts.

Kobe will be 34 in his 16th season. He's got to start showing his age at some point. The Lakers don't have a 1st round pick this year. They will be about $20 million over the cap just with the players they're committed to, and that's with 32-year-old Blake as the only point guard. Maybe they can do some finagling and sign Sessions. If not, I think age and lack of a bench will catch up to them and there's a realistic possibility they get knocked out in the first round.

I'm just saying that maybe Grant is anticipating the same thing and that's why he got the swap option included.

Edit:

Odom was traded so if I'm not mistaken, the Lakers will have about $75 million committed to five players: Kobe/Pau/Byum, Steve Blake, and Artest. Assuming the cap will be somewhere around $60 million and they have no first round pick, how do they get two starters and a bench? I'm assuming they pick up Bynum's option and nobody will take Blake's or Artest's contracts off their hands. Oh wait, they have Eyenga.

e0y2e3 wrote:Pau + Kobe + Bynum = VASTLY superior to the Celtics core. There is a snowballs chance in hell they are a lottery team.

Holy fuck people, that is two top ten players right now and a top 15-20. You could surround them with Troy Murphy, Derek Fisher, Steve Black, McBob, Kapono and Luke Walton and they would be a solid playoff team.

The only way they decline that far is a major injury.

The swap should be considered to probably be the value of a decent 2nd rounder. That's about what it would cost to move up the probably 5 to 10 spots that we will end up getting (I'm assuming the Lakers will be drafting right around the mid-20s next year. That said, if there is an injury or something, it could easily move us up to the mid-first round. Great upside/ no risk.

andrew6586 wrote:I still need some help with the traded picks thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this at any time. We have the right to switch 1st round picks only with the heat this year or next year. Next year we can switch any pick (even in the second round) with the Laker's first round pick. Isn't that what "least desirable pick" means? Worst pick in the draft?

Also, is there anyway we can end up with all three picks?

We can swap our 1st rounder with Miami this year. This year we own:1st Cavs1st Lakers2nd Cavs2nd Hornets

Next year we own:1st Cavs1st Miami (w/ swap)2nd Cavs

So in the 2013 draft, we basically own 3 1st round picks, our's, Miami's, and the Lakers. BUT, we HAVE to send on of them to the Lakers. We will send them whatever pick is the worst. So we end up with 2 picks that are the highest of those three, and the Laker's get the lowest.

andrew6586 wrote:I still need some help with the traded picks thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong with this at any time. We have the right to switch 1st round picks only with the heat this year or next year. Next year we can switch any pick (even in the second round) with the Laker's first round pick. Isn't that what "least desirable pick" means? Worst pick in the draft?

Also, is there anyway we can end up with all three picks?

We can swap our 1st rounder with Miami this year. This year we own:1st Cavs1st Lakers2nd Cavs2nd Hornets

Next year we own:1st Cavs1st Miami (w/ swap)2nd Cavs

So in the 2013 draft, we basically own 3 1st round picks, our's, Miami's, and the Lakers. BUT, we HAVE to send on of them to the Lakers. We will send them whatever pick is the worst. So we end up with 2 picks that are the highest of those three, and the Laker's get the lowest.

Being thorough. No way do we get it this year, because of Sac's record. But next year, it is technically possible.

Its top-13 protected in 2013. Boogie keeps being a beast, high pick this year (currently 5), and trading Reke or Thorton for a real PG...I could see them barely missing the playoffs. Not likely, but if they traded for Rondo (for instance) I could see it happening. Most likely is that we see that pick in '15-'17 when it is only top 10 protected.