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Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

^
actually a lot of peps are like that, some of them want to get profit
some of them want to feel the attention
some of them simply want the world to be better

but we never know human's real intention.

i get agree with you on that.

it's never good for someone to underestimate themselves a whole lot and it's most definitely never a good thing for someone to overestimate themselves a lot. either way, it shows that that person has self esteem issues. you have someone who can easily be kicked down where they don't even trust their own judgement, thinking they're just wrong where every criticism from somebody just makes them hate themselves even more or just become worse self confident wise. then you have someone who basically can't be told anything because their ego is so huge and they feel that everything against what they agree with is wrong.

as for what mikey said, i agree with him a whole lot. you have so many so called "confident" people that feel the need to diss or put down other people in order to feel good about themselves. what point are they trying to prove by doing that? it's one thing to criticize someone to prove a point but it's one thing to take a swipe at them like you're belittling them or talking shit. to them, there's no such thing as simply coexisting with other folks where they can let them do whatever they do in peace.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by mikey3000

And many externally overcompensate for their internal insecurities. That's how they feel important, by belittling others.

As a belitter of people, I disagree. True that there are people who need to bring others down to make themselves feel better but there are people who bring others down because they just simply do not care and/or do not tolerate stupidity well.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

I do wonder that the opposite is not a more common problem , overestimating , that you will repect and consider carefully statements that are clearly erratic incidental utterances . Think about it for two minutes and that idea will go away .

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

^This back to my first reason to not under estimate/under valuing others ..even if they "yes" look stupid/funny/fat or whatever b'cuz you never know what they capable at...
like sample:

You might think she's an empty headed bimbo who knows nothing but sucking cock but you could be wrong..
How if she's actually a good mother? 'knows how to rearing kids while you otherwise, already failed in reproduction organ eversince you accidentally flushed your womb in toilet while ago..
Btw, hew else mental enough to keep centipedes in vagina xcept Ram?

hew? I ask

If you know you are smart/mature/whatever, does it matter if the other person knows?

Who cares what you are capable of? If at that point of time, you are incompetent, then you are incompetent. Honestly, there is nothing to ashamed of not knowing. We all have our weakness and strengths. You are only being underestimated if you let the person underestimate you. It all comes back to you. How do you feel about yourself? Why is it so important for you to let the other person know what you are capable of? Who are you proving your worth to?

Nobody hears claims they know everything. It is an outrageous claim. Yes, they might think they are smart but that has got to do with how they measure themselves. They can always know more but not everything.

Don't you think that in your original post you think highly of yourself? Since you are able to show that you are willing to read up on different religious doctrines and respect their points of view, aren't you in way showing that what you think you are doing is right?

Just a thought.

I don't know everything. What I know of, I am extremely confident about it. Why am I confident about what I know? I don't know. It's just me. Frankly, there is has to be something you can be proud of. For me, it's my experiences. It shaped me to be a better person. But if I am wrong about my knowledge, cue embarrassment, and the learning cycle spins again. People always think that being humble means you have to be less confident and assured of things you say and believe in. Nope.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by oakpope

PS : only a fool would place a 0 on the Fool card.

Bollox!

Depending upon what system one chooses to follow, The Fool can be 0, 22, or 21 ... or even left un-numbered. In truth, it can be any number (or not) that you prefer as long as you thoroughly understand the reasoning behind the assignments. As far as Waite's GD-derived system is concerned The Fool as 0 makes perfect sense.

PS. Many would say that where esoteric matters are concerned labelling another person 'a fool' only emphasizes one's own foolisness and lack of understanding.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by Ram

As a belitter of people, I disagree. True that there are people who need to bring others down to make themselves feel better but there are people who bring others down because they just simply do not care and/or do not tolerate stupidity well.

This.

I can put up with anything but willful stupidity.

I start with the assumption that everyone and every idea is of equal ability and worth.

And then let the meter run backwards from there.

Once I have researched and studied any idea, then it either becomes or doesn't become something I believe in. If I think it is worth defending, then I will defend. And I will be open to others changing my mind by providing proof.

And by the way...that doesn't include someone going to any variation or translation of the King James version of the English Bible to prove anything by citing scripture.

Other people's research has to be pretty deep and broad in order for me to take it seriously.

A lot of other people are the same. We like to see those who argue an idea of religion or philosophy have an understanding of the roots of the concept originating in the paleolithic era. Or those who argue science have a grasp of the entirety of their subject.

Arguing with people who are too lazy to do the real work to learn about everything is a waste of time unless you are mentoring them.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by HoodedRat

Bollox!

Depending upon what system one chooses to follow, The Fool can be 0, 22, or 21 ... or even left un-numbered. In truth, it can be any number (or not) that you prefer as long as you thoroughly understand the reasoning behind the assignments. As far as Waite's GD-derived system is concerned The Fool as 0 makes perfect sense.

PS. Many would say that where esoteric matters are concerned labelling another person 'a fool' only emphasizes one's own foolisness and lack of understanding.

The Fool must not be numbered. It's the ultimate card for transformation, journey into the unknown. To give it a number is to attach a cord to his ankle, foolishness !

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Well I think you have to get over yourself and thinking that you have a greater spirituality and therefore moral ascendancy than those who are aetheists. In the same way that aetheists need to get over the notion that they are somehow just more evolved and superior.

It is a draw.

It is the way you live that matters. Not the God you believe in or the religion you 'belong' to.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by rareboy

Well I think you have to get over yourself and thinking that you have a greater spirituality and therefore moral ascendancy than those who are aetheists. In the same way that aetheists need to get over the notion that they are somehow just more evolved and superior.

It is a draw.

It is the way you live that matters. Not the God you believe in or the religion you 'belong' to.

....and I can state that quite definitely.

it's funny how some atheists look down on theists for basically being intolerant of other people's beliefs and theists basically having holy wars and etc BUT yet they turn around doing the same exact thing. tolerance goes a long way. people need to learn how to coexists with each other EVEN if they don't like each other. at some point, someone has to be the bigger person and walk away. the world would be a better place if folks learned how to talk it out instead of being ready to fight. unfortunately, fighting before reasoning things out is the norm. if you simply back down from something, folks see you as a pushover and a coward even if you're being the bigger person. sometimes, folks keep on pushing and you pretty much know that you can shit on them from a level that would ruin them but you try to walk away anyway, letting them fight the air.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by joswanprince

But can I has the shoes?

Xcuse me that I hv to fill the unpopular role as a mommy who says "DONT" too much..and of course peeps dont like it how I sound
but momma rarely is a selfish human being, she just yapping because she concerns..
I look at boy-Giancarlo and those in CE&P with frown, afraid if those boys hit a plank and fail miserably.

And to have "DON'T" mentality is one of my conservative nature I can't help. Sorry if I can't satisfy your statical data of "concrete" knowledge, but something I confident for..is my intuition/my sensing. I confident with my right brain, idk why
I don't see in detail, I see in big picture.

to say that am I spiritually superb? Of course nah..maybe Im fooling myself
but idk, I hv an urge to tell everybody that it's "dangerous" to have empty spiritualism.

yesh.. but let me dissect my opponent~ Ram, since he threw me gold in this thread

pfffft.

Get over it honey.

You are not our mommy.

We don't need your concern for our spiritual well being. People can be 'spiritual' in many different ways, including not having faith in any cultural construct of Gods.

Just relax and make sure that your own house is in order. Giani and the rest of the boys in CE&P can do just fine without anyone yapping at them about the joys of being on a higher existential plane than they are because your sunday school lessons told you this.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by joswanprince

Ram post #23..rejuvenated my view over "self-reliance" and possibility of how inner self could transform us. It's something I forget to do since Im heavily focusing my life to learn "the world" system, how is work? Law and order,etc.
Sometimes when you heavily leaning over something in future...you forget some basic elements from the past.

I won't stated if my condition is "pressed" like ram subtlety described, since he loves to come to every thread with a loop hole making fun of the OP. Well I dont have to explain my actual social treatment like an ego biten by mosquito

But here's another thing
I want to share that .."I expect people treat me just the way I treat them"- well the problem that Im a complicated human being with intricate interaction while NOT everyone understand behavior I imply/ fit to my standard.

I rarely complain people but actually people PISSED me a-hell lot, they...messing my surrounding, zone, harmony..whatever!
TOO PISSED until I lost words. It's always THEY breaking my boundaries because they cant read the clues..no wonder I become an anti social.

"You are only being underestimated if you let the person underestimate you."

Ram words remind me that the cycle MUST end! I must be assertive and bold giving boundary to people around me to not messing with my territorial. If I love calm, beauty and peaceful surrounding, then fight to death to earn that, kill my roommates

It's not being an asshat/egocentric/ douche or anything...but a healthy dose of self-assertive.
Please DONT mess my bathroom counterrrrssss!!!!

* but Ram self-govern system is only work for self/ego/individual whoever needs boost.., that system can't govern a country. To govern a nation, we need check and balance system like I presented
Otherwise you'll get a president who easily push "war" button- and that's not include cue-embarrassment music

just my concern though

Ok. I almost get the feeling like you are having some kind of existential crisis here.

First breathe.

In the first instance, get over the idea that somehow you are more intricate or complicated than everyone else. Perhaps it is just that you have fallen in love with the idea that you somehow are, because it excuses a lot of behaviour or interactions that you have with others.

You are not some space alien sent to the planet to set aside your extra special intuitive and sensory powers by having to focus on learning the dreary rules of how the world works. You have some special talents that some others don't have and we all appreciate those, but they don't buy you a pass anywhere. Basically you are just another young person coming to terms with a big wide world that you don't understand but think that you might have all the answers for everyone else.

Room mates always have boundary issues. I used to get hassled by my roomies all the time for the things they didn't like that I did and I let them know what bothered me...by talking it out calmly and rationally.

The calm and peaceful environment you say you need to live in harmony begins with your inner self. If messiness really gets to you to the point where it triggers rage, then maybe it is time to see if that isn't just how you are dealing with some other internal conflict.

And as for all of us reading your clues. including your roomies.....give your head a shake. Just say what you mean, mean what you say and tell your partners in housing know what your needs and boundaries are. And then respect that you don't get to write all the rules either for everyone else.

Otherwise you become the one who might just 'push the button'.

Another suggestion for you. This forum is an excellent chance for you to practice your written communication skills. you should try to use the time you are composing a thread or response on here to challenge and improve your ability to write simply and clearly so that everyone can better understand the point you are trying to make.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by Ram

As a belitter of people, I disagree. True that there are people who need to bring others down to make themselves feel better but there are people who bring others down because they just simply do not care and/or do not tolerate stupidity well.

I'm not good at it, but I think there's greater virtue in making people less stupid without belittling them.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

You are pressed, girl. I am not your opponent. Never am, never will be. Clearly, you have still not gotten over that issue. I am not interested in discussing this with you.

For someone who doesn't want to belittle people, you seem to have tripped over your own principles.

Originally Posted by joswanprince

"You are only being underestimated if you let the person underestimate you."

Ram words remind me that the cycle MUST end! I must be assertive and bold giving boundary to people around me to not messing with my territorial. If I love calm, beauty and peaceful surrounding, then fight to death to earn that, kill my roommates

Oh lord.

I know you are crazy enough to do it. Don't kill your roommates. Even you do, I am just putting out there for your future lawyers there is no way I encouraged him to kill anyone.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

Originally Posted by joswanprince

Actually, the first thing prompted me to create this thread was because of Kabalah-wisdom.

There are many, many schools of Kabalah/Cabbalah/Qabalah, etc, etc ... they do not all teach the same thing ... although the chosen spelling of the term 'Kabalah/Cabbalah/Qabalah, etc, etc' usually reveals which 'school' of teaching one has chosen to follow.

Re: Are you easily under estimate everything?

I have a feeling that you may be someone who feels the need for some huge master plan for the world.

But even with the Kabbalah concept that you've latched on to, it is simply another human created system that some people interpret as divine revelation and then attempt to impose powers and qualities on elements and planets that they simply do not have.

The planets and pathways and elements don't grant wisdom. Or even knowledge. The system is more of a mnemonic device...it helps those seeking wisdom and spiritual enlightenment to organize their thought process. It provides a framework for teaching people about ethics and morality and the need for balance in all things. The world is crowded with such systems.

If you want to believe in the system though, you need to study it more.