This is Afghanistan before President Carter put the Islamists into power. The CIA controls most of the Islamists. Militant Islam has become a tool of the CIA and Mossad. Only the stupidest (or most enslaved) Moslem women cover their faces.

Muhammad only fell out with the Jews when they refused to accept him as their prophet.

Professor Fred Donner has written:

"We have to admit collectively that we simply do not know some very basic things about the Koran - things so basic that the knowledge of them is usually taken for granted by scholars dealing with other texts.

"They include such questions as: How did the Qur'an originate? Where did it come from, and when did it first appear? How was it first written? In what kind of language was - is - it written?"

According to the official story, Muhammad was born into the the Quraysh clan. The Quraysh were the guardians of the Kaaba within the town of Mecca and were the dominant tribe of Mecca. The Kaaba was an important pagan shrine. It brought revenues to Mecca because of the multitude of pilgrims that it attracted.

Tom Holland does not see the Koran as History.

Holland says: "I think there's a degree to which Muslims, far more than Christians, have felt that the foundation myths of their religion are somehow historical fact, and it seems to me that they’re clearly not. There must be a bedrock of fact, but it is more sacred history than it is history....

"There’s a sense in which I think as Islam evolves and as, let’s say, Muslims start to realize that they are in competition with Jews and Christians, they need to have their Prophet have a revelation from an angel..."

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Holland says: "The horror of the Near East in the seventh century beggers description - it's a place ravaged by plague, by war, by gangs, by factionalism and of course in such a world women are objects to be stolen and plundered and abused.

"A lot of the things about Islam which seem retrogressive to us now at the time must have been an absolute blessing to women.

"One of the reasons why it's specified that a man can have more than one wife is precisely so women will have a protector."

Islam in Spain.

"The requirements to keep themselves covered, which seems to us so sexist, actually in a world where a woman’s flesh is a commodity, is something incredibly precious. "So I think that looking at it in that light you see, ethically and morally, just how much better the world is for these revolutions. "And so it’s so tempting to buy into the notion that everything was great before these miserable Christians with their grey breath and these Muslims with their stern repellent warrior king came along, but I have absolutely no doubt that I’d rather be living in a monotheistic world than a premonotheistic world."

Ibn Ishaq wrote a biography of Muhammad some 120 to 130 years after Muhammad's death.

The hadith collections date two to three hundred years after the death of Muhammad.

(We have read the Koran and we have lived in a Moslem country.)

Joseph Smith

Muhammad apparently said that God had spoken to him through the angel Gabriel.

Muhammad is a bit like Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon branch of Christianity.

Joseph Smith claimed that he was spoken to by an angel who directed him to a buried book of golden plates inscribed with a Judeo-Christian history of an ancient American civilization.

Mohamed's closest friend was Zaid, his 15-year-old male slave.

Mohamed's first wife was Khadija. She was was aged forty at the time of their marriage and 'well past her youth'.

Mohamed was about fifteen years younger.

Handsome fifteen year old Zaid was the wedding gift given by Khadija to Mohamed.

Mohamed and Zaid became very close friends.

Zaid's family found their son and tried to rescue him.

Zaid told his family that he wanted to stay with Mohamed. Zaid said: "I would not choose any man in preference to Mohamed. He is to me both a father and a mother."

Mohamed said: "Zaid is my heir and I am his."

Muhammad's youngest wife Aisha believed that if Zaid had not died, Mohamed would have made Zaid his successor.

Later in his life, Mohamed spent a lot of time with Zaid's son, Usama ibn Zaid.

Ali, one of the members of Mohammed's family reportedly had an affair with Mohammed.

A group of people from Mecca plotted to kill Mohamed.

When the murderers burst into Mohamed's room they found Mohamed's 23 year old cousin, Ali, lying on Mohamed's bed.

Mohamed had escaped.

Ali was a handsome youth.

Mohamed said that "Looking upon Ali is worship," and that "Ali would appear (even) to the dwellers of paradise as a morning star."

One historian wrote of Mohamed: "He often made (Ali) sleep by his side, and Ali enjoyed the warmth of Muhammad's body and inhaled the holy fragrance of his breath."

Mohamed, reportedly, said: 'Ali and I, fourteen thousand years before the creation of mankind, were one light. When Allah created Adam, he split this light into two, one of which I am and the other is Ali." (Salman)

Egyptian preacher Huwaini and Kuwaiti political activist Mutairi call for the reinstitution of sex-slavery. Moslems tend to prefer boys to girls?

In 'The Wounded Heart', an old Peshtun song, we read:

"There is a boy across the riverWith a bottom like a peach!But alas! I cannot swim!"

A certain lad some days ago my heart did steal away,And my affection for him is such that I no longer can endure;Yet he's not once enquired of me with pleasant disposition:See, then, what I must make my soul to suffer for his disdainful ways?

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Though you may kiss his feet, he'll give you no regard:Though you be dust before him, no gratitude he'll show you.Empty your head of brains, of coins your handsIf you would set your mind on other people's children

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The Western security services reportedly recruit Moslems for ISIS, for child abuse rings and for false flag ops.

Saladin (1138-93) was the Egyptian ruler who united the Arab World against the Crusades and recaptured Jerusalem in 1187.

Richard The Lion Heart, had a secret passion for Saladin.

Richard also shared a bed with Philip II of France.

According to Gerald, the Archdeacon of Wales, they were inseparable lovers recalling that the English king "so honored Philip that by day they ate at one table, off one dish, and at night they slept in one bed. And the king of France loved him as his own soul."

Saladin's brother Al Adel was reported to be very close to Richard.

Saladin himself probably had a relationship with the Turkish eunuch Karakush, a slave.

Karakush was promoted and was responsible for overseeing the construction of Cairo's citadel.

Then Saladin appointed him joint emir (with a Kurd called Mashtub) of Acre on the coast of Palestine and in charge of the city's defense against the Crusaders.

Moslem girls

The story of Suleiman's attachment to his vizier Ibrahim (allegedly his lover) is as follows:

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PART 1It leads to nowhere, aangirfan, to discuss if Muhammad lived or if Jesus lived (this is also doubted by some historians). Because those You discuss with, aangirfan, are "believers". And they are even proud not to think or research - but just to "believe".

It is more effective to bring up topics that forces them TO BEGIN TO THINK AND TO REASONI. And this is why one should start to discus the following two points:

1.) All religions allege that they are not only a "cult" (like e. g. "The Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars", "Illuminati" and so on) but that they speak out and define the highest(!) REALITY!a) But most religious people (for the others see "b" below) just have the same religion as their parents. This is why in southern India you find a lot of Hindus but (except for irrelevant exceptions) no … let's say … Shintos (Japan), Taoists (China) or "Dreamtime" believers (Aborigines). In Egypt you will find no Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists. Only some decades ago you couldn't find Muslims in Europe. Now we have Muslims and Hindus in Europe because of migration. Migrant families take there religion with them. This is why there are Christians nowadays in Australia/New Zealand, in North America (mainly Protests/Calvinists) and Latin-America (mainly Catholics).But REALITY can't depend on from where you live or from where your family came from.

Those who just took the religion of their parents should not be allowed to call themselves "religious". They should not even be allowed to call themselves "believers". Because even for believing something you must have good reason. They have to admit that! Otherwise You tell them: "A court just decided that all Your property belongs to me - so hand it over!". When they don't believe it and start to argue or ask for proof, You task them why they don't do just the same with their religion or their "Holy Book". Or does "to believe" have two completely different meanings?!Those who just take the religion of their family and don't check into all the other religions are nothing more than stupid traitors against themselves and against the human kind. And it is exactly this crowd that religious extremists and terrorists come from!

b) And then there are a few who went away from the religions they grew up with and chose another religion, because they like their new religion better. E. g.: Muhammad Ali/Casius Clay. But REALITY does not depend on what You like! Real religiousness is to find out about the world and why you are here!This is why also this Comedian George Carlin is totally wrong, when he says “Religion is like a pair of shoes…..Find one that fits for you": This because it is not relevant what you like or what fits you, but only what the world is about and how it functions and what consequences that has for you. and that does NOT depend on what You happen to "like" or "like better".

c) Also does REALITY not depend of time: 2000 years ago those who live in Italy today would have believed in Jupiter, Terra Mater, Venus - and not in "God"/Jesus and Saint Mary. Those Muslim Brothers in Egypt then would have believed in Isis and Osiris - and not Allah/Muhammad. In north-west Europe people then believed in Thor, Odin, Teutates - not in a Catholic or Protestant or Calvinist God/Jesus.

PART 2 2.) Also this: Those who believe in Allah or God owe us an explanation, why Allah or God waited thousands of years before Jesus or Muhammad was send. Before Jesus or Muhammad there was no belief in a Christian "God" or Muslim "Allah". Nonetheless those "believers" tell us, that those who didn't believe in "God" or "Allah" when the die will go to hell FOR ETERNITY! But those populous people of the old Afghan-culture (6000 B. C.!) , Indus-Culture, Sumer-, Hittite, old-Chinese-Culture, Pharaoh-Culture, Phoenician-culture, of the classic Greek-culture (we are so proud of) or of the first 600 years of the Roman-culture never even knew of Jesus or Mohammad or of the Muslim Allah! Or the Christian God!Could Allah/God be that cruel, to forget about so many people and sent them all to hell???!!Answer this you vain believers and fanatics! Especially to you stupid Christian priests and pastors: Socrates didn't believe in "God", "Jesus", "Saint Mary". Is he now in hell FOR ETERNITY? If not, it is obviously not important to believe in "God"/Jesus! If You answer Socrates IS now in hell, then Your disgusting "God" belongs into hell himself!!

Also answer why neither Jesus nor Mohammad in their lifetime cared to go over to the American Continent and preach to those red Indians (North American Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, Olmecs, Inkas/Ketchua and so on) … or to Australia and preach to the Aborigines (they live their since some 40.000 years!) … or to New Zealand and preach to the Polynesians.Could Allah/God be that cruel, to forget about so many people???!!Answer this you vain believers and fanatics!

Your official account is different than any account I've studied as I've only ever read about Muhammad having one Jewish wife. I'll save further comments for another time.

On religion, let's look at an excerpt from the translator’s introduction of Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, and we'll focus on the bottom line here:

The Meditations is customarily, and no doubt rightly, classified by librarians under the heading of Philosophy; but this may give the reader a misleading impression, unless he understands the place which philosophy held in the ancient world. From what he knows of the writings of its twentieth-century exponents, he is unlikely to conclude that its chief aim and end is the attainment of personal virtue. This, he imagines, is the province of religion, not of philosophy. But in classical times things were different. Morality, the good life, man's relations with the Gods - all these were the domain of the philosopher, not the priest.

^^^I think that's what it's all about, religion... it's Morality, the good life. It's the point, and vital to our well being.

Excerpting now from the Qur'an:

"any who believe in allah and the last day, and work righteousness"

Al-Baqara [2:62] Those who believe (in the Qur'an) and those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in allah and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Al-Maeda [5:69] Those who believe (in the Qur'an) those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures) and the Sabians and the Christians― any who believe in allah and the last day, and work righteousness―on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Al-Hajj [22:17] Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,― Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.

It doesn't matter what umbrella we learn under. It's if we got the right idea and to do good, practice doing good. The hereafter may be more simple than anyone thinks, though the time and experience it will take to the good days may be beyond what we'd care to fathom. Then again, we may be surprised. It's one of those things. Be here when it gets here, hopefully.

Faith is one fine pillow.

Joseph Smith allegedly found a seers stone which led him to the golden plates:

2. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.

3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

7. He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

The above says a lot. It's simple.

The Hebrew adopted concepts and law from Zoroastrianism like not eating pork:

"Pork is the most widely eaten meat in the World. Yet pigs and wild boar are known for their wit, intelligence and good/gentle nature in Zoroastrianism,(See Bahram Yasht 14-15, Mehr Yasht 127.) Pigs are considered as loving pets with spiritual significance in the Zoroastrian culture. Also, in the Vedic literature, Vishnu takes the form of a boar named Varaha to save the Earth. Also, the story of Freyr’s golden boar in the Norse mythology stresses the innate goodness of pigs/boars in a similar fashion. Pigs/wild boars are not permissible at all for consumption in Zoroastrianism."

One time I landed on a Jewish study page and I'm not sure the source of material they were discussing but it was commented that it was Moses' tender kindness and love for animals that caused the people to believe he was a prophet.

I read once read that Zoroaster told his followers that God's enemy is "The Lie".

Here's another bottom line:

Every religion has its grains of Truth, seeds which can be sown and grown in the garden of a new revelation, whether that is Jewish or Christian. In this view, it is not only not wrong to adapt what went before into the new faith, but it is essential. Thus nothing that is true will be lost.

Quite frankly I reject all of the Abrahamic Religions, whether they be Islam, the so called Christianity of the day and Judaism. They are all constructs of the controllers most anyone can see how they are parlayed into the events of the day to produce a NWO.

I am basically a Hindu. Before you laugh bare in mind that Hindu means the search for truth. I am all for that.

Anyone can be a Hindu. In fact Hinduism came to us from the Rishis, some 11 thousand years ago. Even the atheist can be a Hindu for he himself is embarked upon his own search for truth. Nothing in Hindi is persona non grata. Consciousness is ever evolving.

Sometime around 23 hundred years ago we see in the Mahabharata Ydhishthira has a vision of the age to come: I see the coming of another age, where barbaric kings rule over a vicious, broken world, where puny, fearful men live tiny lives, white hair at sixteen, copulating with animals, their women perfect whores, making love with greedy mouths. The cows dry, trees stunted, no more flowers, no more purity, ambition, corruption, the age of Kali, the black time."

But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him.— Referring to Muhammad, in a letter to Frederick II of Prussia (December 1740), published in Oeuvres complètes de Voltaire, Vol. 7 (1869), edited by Georges Avenel, p. 105.

Superstition is to religion what astrology is to astronomy, the mad daughter of a wise mother. These daughters have too long dominated the earth.— "Whether it is useful to maintain the people in superstition," Treatise on Toleration (1763).

Once your faith, sir, persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life. In days gone by, there were people who said to us: "You believe in incomprehensible, contradictory and impossible things because we have commanded you to; now then, commit unjust acts because we likewise order you to do so." Nothing could be more convincing. Certainly any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. If you do not use the intelligence with which God endowed your mind to resist believing impossibilities, you will not be able to use the sense of injustice which God planted in your heart to resist a command to do evil. Once a single faculty of your soul has been tyrannized, all the other faculties will submit to the same fate. This has been the cause of all the religious crimes that have flooded the earth. (Translation from Norman Lewis Torrey: Les Philosophes. The Philosophers of the Enlightenment and Modern Democracy. Capricorn Books, 1961, pp. 277-8)— Questions sur les miracles (1765)Widely used paraphrase: "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities".

All of the other people have committed crimes, the Jews are the only ones who have boasted about committing them. They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.— Lettres de Memmius a Cicéron (1771).

Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror.— Examen important de milord Bolingbroke (1736): Conclusion.

Supposedly, an Israelite empire flourished in the 10th century BC, during a time of temporary weakness of both Assyria and Egypt. Yet the fabled empire of David and Solomon remains just that: a fable, unsupported by any evidence – and empires normally leave a great deal of evidence. Archaeology is unequivocal: there was never the wealth, population, political cohesiveness, or literacy in the tiny settlement around Jerusalem to have ever dominated its more developed northern neighbours.