Saturday, March 26, 2016

In a brazen act of medical tyranny, California recently became the first state in the U.S. where lawmakers removed religious exemptions to those opposing vaccines for their children. The bill now signed into law, SB277, faces legal hurdles in court next.

Now, legislators in California want to pass the “first US adult vaccine mandate with NO personal exemptions and CRIMINAL penalties for failure to comply.” SB 792, would eliminate an adult’s right to exempt themselves from one, some, or all vaccines, a risk-laden medical procedure.

There is a much better case to be made for the legal rape and forced impregnation of American women than there is for forcing vaccines on adults or children. This is a moral and constitutional abomination; every legislator who voted for this should be impeached.

You speak as if it's about community health to these legislators. Try imagine mandatory vaccine purchases and illegal immigration are net good for corporate interests and politicians who take their wampum.

The Vax Fanatics don't associate higher incidence of disease with the influx of the diseased. Apparently it has been effectively propagated that the proper application of vaccine is proof against anything and disease is cause by less that fanatical adherence to the vaccine schedule by any and all (except immigrants, of course).

While having briefly studied medical law while in university I am familiar in some areas where an adult's right to refuse treatment can be ignored on basis of incompetency (which is hard to prove, since in some cases even insane people can still technically be considered competent to receive or refuse medical treatment. Although if you are curious and wish to learn where the law can get pretty bullshit, google Gillick Competency, where a child can prove themselves rational enough to consent to thing like abortion but at the same time not be considered rational enough to refuse blood transfusion).

Forcing medication on an entire population is pretty hard to justify under common law so I can see what the contention is here with this bill. But as an Irishman I am actually unfamiliar with the wider anti-vaccination movement that seems to have taken hold of parts of the USA, can anyone explain to me why this has become such a huge deal?

Look in the top left hand corner of this page. There you'll find a search bar. Type in 'vaccine' and hit enter. Our host has spilled a lot of ink on this topic. I'm sure he'd appreciate it if you read some of it.

If they're so concerned about public health, why are they importing swarms of disease-ridden illegal immigrants?

Oh the lessons of the past, how they are ignored. While Colombus Day gets the boot, perhaps this year, we should REMIND every damn liberal that Spain The Immigrant killed off the Native with disease.

As with leftists everywhere they want the horrors, but think they won't be the one's in the ditch.

To think, the Nazis did this, but Trump (who is a wind-bag of wildly successful rhetoric) is Hitler. These people are seriously befuddled by action v. words. Guess what, Idiots? Stones break bones, not words.

Servant of the Chief,I would wager the US gives out significantly more vaccines. Since the majority are produced by US bases corporations, there is a financial motive to mandate lots of them and cover up any problems like adverse reactions.

It seems that in the absence of Christianity, most NW Europeans (maybe 80%) revert to the Indoeuropean civil and social structure. To wit, a tyrannical, byzantine caste system. Maybe 20% revert to anarcho-capitalistic Viking tribalism.

This is an incipient speculation that needs to percolate a bit, so don't take it too seriously.

I agree, and I would encourage La Raza to demand it because they want to anyway, and the political will to stop them probably won't exist in as little as five years. An opportunistic white Hispanic melonhead could probably ride that wave pretty easily.

Look ahead a few years. Once we've allowed the creation of such an engine of moral compulsion - for that is what this is - then we should consider what manner of people will inherit control of this monstrosity?

Will they confine themselves only to medical matters?

To ask is to answer. They will not.

If we allow this kind of machinery of moral compulsion to be built in our names, we make ourselves heirs to all the consequences thereof, including the application of this machinery to religious matters, which becomes inevitable once the machinery exists.

Ahazuerus @24: Look ahead a few years. Once we've allowed the creation of such an engine of moral compulsion...

How about look back 150 years? Forced political union is no less evil than forced economic union, but forced political union won the day when the Confederacy lost. What's happening in California is just more of the same.

Or look back 1500 years. I'm reading Eusebius' "History of the Church." "Bow to the state" has always been the way of the world.

. Should a non-vaccinated child be allowed into a public classroom?. Should they be covered by insurance for disease that would have been avoided?. What about diseases that have a more clear danger attached? A spate of smallpox perhaps.

As a kind of game theory problem, parents are best off having their child unvaccinated (thus avoiding any potential side effects), while absolutely everyone else is.

It's a crazy legal swamp.

In terms of California, it's a good petri dish for showing the future of the US. Highly segregated, serious income/wealth disparities, ever growing Hispanic population perhaps soon to be majority. Fun times, fun times.

meh. Fuck california. If those morons want to live that way... Let them. The proper response to this is not to use the federal government to stop them. The proper response is simply to take the voting rights away from california representatives and senators.

"There is a much better case to be made for the legal rape and forced impregnation of American women than there is for forcing vaccines on adults or children."

Looks like this Bill only applies to child and family day care workers, not children or patients. Also, the adult that does not want the vaccination has the option to leave their profession to avoid the vaccinations.

Think of the "silver lining" on this one. Now the bulk of the adult population that foists these poisons on their own children without questioning and then completely dismisses the side effects the children are saddled with for life....now these willfully ignorant people will get to experience exactly what the state does to their children. If that population isn't too far propagandized it might cause them a bout of self-reflection.

Hey whatever happened to all those Mexican "traditionalist Catholics" with "family values" who Karl Rove and the rest of the Cuckservative Carnival Barkers have been shouting about for the last decade? What haven't the great masses of Aztecs, Mayans and Olmecs risen up in a new 'Cristeros' guerrilla movement against the Satanic Californistan regime led by Gov, Moonbeam and his (((billionaire backers)))? Oh wait… they're too busy watching Disney propaganda and the latest entertainment from the jujubox which appeals to their 85 IQs. California and its oligarchs have nothing to fear from the Christianity of today, which itself has no resemblance to that of folks like Charles Martel. In fact, most self-described Christians of today seem to think those (((billionaire backers))) have a free ticket to the pearly gates because of their race, something which they usually insist does not exist.

Looks like this Bill only applies to child and family day care workers, not children or patients. Also, the adult that does not want the vaccination has the option to leave their profession to avoid the vaccinations.

First they came for the child and family day care workers, but I didn't say anything because I wasn't one.

Servant of the Chief wrote:as an Irishman I am actually unfamiliar with the wider anti-vaccination movement that seems to have taken hold of parts of the USA, can anyone explain to me why this has become such a huge deal?

There are two main pieces:

* In the past two decades, state governments within the U.S have been establishing vaccination requirements which are thoroughly stupid, even if the FDA's official statements regarding the vaccines' effectiveness and safety are completely correct.

The requirements that I knew of (they have probably changed somewhat) were (a) Hepatitis B vaccine required for all high school and college students under 18 years old in California, even though the vaccine has non-trivial risk of side effects and not-very-high effectiveness, and only bathhouse buggerers and needle-sharing druggies are at non-trivial risk of catching the disease; and (b) Gardasil (vaccine against some strains of HPV (human papilloma virus), which causes genital warts and cervical cancer) required for all female school students 12 years old or older in Texas, even though at best the vaccine's effectiveness will wear off by the time they reach the age of consent.

* Most People Are Idiots. Most people, including most doctors, are completely, utterly clueless about vaccines, and result to magical thinking on the topic. Everyone in the ‘public health’ establishment is either clueless or willfully corrupt.

In the specific case of California's current nanny-statist push for MOAR VACCINES, there were three factors:

* Magical-thinking Leftist pagans who believe in the healing powers of crystals didn't give their young children the DTaP vaccine (Diphtheria, Tetanus, and acellular Pertussis). (There was a higher rate of compliance with the MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella), which AFAIK has greater risk and lower benefit. I don't think these were the well-informed, rational type of ‘anti-vaxxers’.)

* The original vaccine against pertussis (usually given as part of DTP, for Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis) used whole pertussis cells killed with formaldehyde. That vaccine provided immunity against pertussis into early adulthood, but had a significant risk of potentially fatal side effects, especially if it was administered for a second time. It was replaced with the ‘acellular pertussis’ vaccine, which is much safer, but wears off after only a few years. The acellular pertussis vaccine protects a person against the symptoms of pertussis, but does not prevent the person from carrying and spreading it asymptomatically. (I don't know whether the original pertussis vaccine produced asymptomatic carriers, but no one has received it recently enough for that to matter.)

* Rapid international travel allows people to catch pertussis in other countries and bring it to the U.S.. California has large populations of people who regularly travel to visit family abroad, as well as a significant rate of immigration.

As a result, (a) there was a pertussis epidemic in California's schools and preschools in 2013 and 2014, and (b) there were enough susceptible people for the epidemic to be noticed. The magical-thinking public health ‘experts’ who believe in ‘herd immunity’, and other assorted statists, used that epidemic to push for SB 277, which eliminated the ‘personal belief’ exemption from vaccination requirements for children.

Again, the modern pertussis vaccine does not provide ‘herd immunity’. People who have been immunized against pertussis, either by vaccination or by catching the disease, can still spread it, even though they will never show symptoms. The pertussis vaccination requirements passed in SB 792 will endanger children (and the elderly), not protect them.

If Kim Jong Un or whatever the latest mentally unstable scion of the founding Marxist of North Korea managed to actually have one of his nuke missiles (nukes actually capable of hitting the USSA which somehow never manage to generate the grave concern associated with Iran managing to put together an undeliverable nuke) hit LA or San Francisco square on target, many here would undoubtedly would be in tears. Some for strikingly different reasons than others.

Patriot Nurse has a youtube channel and the establishment came down hard on her for just talking about the risks vs benefits for the HPV vaccine being different for boys/girls. CA does raw milk raids while broke because they don't want to admit that whites can handle raw milk better due to evolution. The queen of England drinks raw milk every day of her life but a Nigerian prince couldn't handle it.

I am familiar in some areas where an adult's right to refuse treatment can be ignored on basis of incompetency (which is hard to prove

I used to joke about getting a rubber stamper that said "PT unable to refuse per DR_________"

I wasn't being sarcastic nor was I saying a fetus can make rational judgements. I was stating UK common law as it stands. Under the Gillick Competency rule (formed by case law), a legal child can give consent to have an abortion to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy if she is deemed 'competent', which it is assumed she is deemed to have the reasoning capabilities of an adult to give such a consent for a procedure. But, at the same time, under UK common law, the same child, with the same competency in terms of reason and capability to give consent, cannot refuse a medical service that could save her life, such as a blood transfusion. There is case law were a Jehovah's witness child, explicitely stated by the judge in question, to have been capable of reason and rational judgements in spite of her age, but was nonetheless unable to legally refuse treatment.

I was not making a judgement myself, I was merely stating the law as it stands (or at least as it stood when I graduated several years ago) and pointing out an interesting paradox in UK Common Law regarding medical issues and the right of refusal/consent to medical procedures for other commenters' interests. Irish common law has no such similar precedence nor caselaw.

But yes, BAD NATE!!! Have you not heard the wails and gnashing of teeth of native Coloradans, Texans, Idahoans, etc flooded with that most vile of creatures, the California Yuppie?!?! Think Damned Yankees with mental herpes.

REMIND every damn liberal that Spain The Immigrant killed off the Native with disease.

Smallpox had a 30% mortality rate for whites and a much higher rate for natives. No sane person would purposely spread it.

Should they be covered by insurance for disease that would have been avoided?

There is a vaccine for TB, its just not very effective. Many vaccines lose their effectiveness over time, while some still give partial protection. Because of Risk vs. Benefit the only people that can be pre vaccinated for rabies are veterinarians and spelunkers. The anthrax vaccine killed more people than have gotten anthrax since it was created.

Hey whatever happened to all those Mexican "traditionalist Catholics" with "family values" who Karl Rove

They went to the church for handouts, now Uncle Sam gives better handouts.

praetorian Just so long as they keep the bath houses open. I hate this fucking state.

All of San Fran is an open air bathhouse, for years you could have sex in the street in broad daylight and just recently its legal to go to the bathroom on the streets as well. Unless you are in northern CA hoping it will succeed, its a mistake to be there. If you ever get medical problems you can fly someone else and get treatment for less combined cash than some peoples deductibles. I knew a travelers wife that needed a non emergency MRI, even with blue cross insurance they would have been better flying her somewhere else to get it.

Of course if we let the camel nose into the state of California, surely it will stop there...

This totalitarianism is coming to every American State. It's just a question of time. The only question at this point is whether somebody (Trump?) can put a bullet in the head of the old right fast enough for the alt-right to take over and steer the ship of state in a direction more compatible with liberty and freedom.

Laws to limit benefits for illegals were passed by the electorate in statewide elections

Many such laws against illegal's benefits have been struck down the judges acting like priest-kings due to the disparate impact on non Asian minorities.

How does raw milk vs pasteurized milk make any difference to lactase persistence?

That is a far messier conversation than vaccines, I really don't want to argue it beyond forget giving to charities that send dairy animals to the 3rd world as you are giving the gift of bowel problems.

Really?! How can a fetus possibly prove that it is rational enough to consent to being aborted?

The way the affirmative action left keeps lowing standards a fetus could pass the NY firefighters exam. http://www.unz.com/isteve/fdnys-new-entry-exam-asks-about-everything-but-firefighting/

A couple of days ago I saw a PSA on tv informing NY parents that their children have to be vaccinated for meningitis in the 8th and 12th grades. That was news to me, glad my kids are out of public school.

When my oldest went to college our pediatrician recommended the vaccine. We read the brochure and declined because my daughter was commuting to school, not boarding there. A few days later the pediatrician sent me the records for my three children with a letter stating that he would no longer have them as patients. I wonder if he'd have done that if we were Syrian refugees or illegals from Mexico.

That is a far messier conversation than vaccines, I really don't want to argue it beyond forget giving to charities that send dairy animals to the 3rd world as you are giving the gift of bowel problems.

Not really, unless you are referring to the consequences of people who do not have the genes for Lactase Persistence consuming milk, raw or pasteurized.

The fact is that something over 50% of Asians do not have lactase persistence genes and only pastoralists in Africa have them, while the frequency his high among Europeans and it gets closer to 100% the further North and West you go.

"Have you not heard the wails and gnashing of teeth of native Coloradans, Texans, Idahoans, etc flooded with that most vile of creatures, the California Yuppie?!?!"

Yes. If anything, a wall between California and the rest of the states is more important than one between Mexico and the US... because Californian immigrants will be able to vote for the same policies that destroyed California, and can't legally be deported.

We'd prosecute a defeated enemy for war crimes if they did this to their population. Something to think about, Governor Mengele.

...explain to me why this has become such a huge deal...

Among other things you can find here, consider these two additional points. One, mandatory vaccinations are an example of the government thinking it is perfectly fine to demand you be injected with some biological agent against your wishes because they think it best. If your own body belongs to the State for its commissars to do with as they please, what does that make you?

Second (and this takes a little more digging), it's another example of government screwing up what it gets involved in. Take the MMR vaccine. I'm not entirely opposed to vaccinating for measles, mumps and rubella, but I am definitely opposed to doing all three at once. But that's the only way to get them these days. An infections medicine doctor I know - who is generally pro-vaxx - thinks it's deplorable you can't get them separately any more. Quality control has also gone down the toilet since the government got involved, not only mandating vaccines but exempting the makers from liability claims.

I am pro some vaccines, and I would like to have the option to research, make my own decisions, and purchase goods and services accordingly. But the government has so bollixed up the area, that's more and more difficult to do. Information is suppressed, alternatives are constrained, and disagreement is criminalized.

In short, it's just another front in the leftist totalitarian war on all of us.

Discard wrote:Congressmen from Tennessee and North Dakota and every other state have refused to control immigration, so it's California's fault that it has been overrun with foreigners?

Laws to limit benefits for illegals were passed by the electorate in statewide elections, but it's California's fault that Federal courts overturn them?

Do you hate Florida for being so close to Cuba? Will you say they had it coming when Obama and Castro cut an immigration deal?

It's not so much the immigration stupidity WRT California, as all the other insanity that lead to it. If the California escapees were behaving like everyone expects refugees to behave; thankful for their host population and humble about the fact that they just fled a failed-state, then perhaps everyone wouldn't hate them.

In ABQ they are trying to pass a law that my cowdog has to be leashed into the back of the pick-up. Like a dog too stupid not to jump out is worth feeding.

Instead they are carpet-baggers with a bucket load of money from selling off their over-priced real estate and bragging about how much better it is in CA.

There is an awful lot of evil being foisted upon us by the New World Order police state.

Some of it I have tolerated because it's a part of wisdom in knowing how to choose your fights. Just yesterday, I filed my tax statements even though I know that I did so "voluntarily"... at the implied point of a gun and incarceration. I choose not to fight this particular Uncle Scam lie as, in my opinion, this one isn't worth the aggravation.

There are some violations a person can avoid simply by removing himself from the situation, e.g., I have not flown since the TSA was installed in airports and began groping citizens and photographing them through their clothing. Nope, they're not gonna touch my "junk".

I don't expect I'll fly again in this lifetime. Not because I have anything to hide but because I'm taking a personal stand on this issue. (And if EVERY American refused to fly, the TSA and their oppressive tactics would be gone within 48 hours. But good luck getting the Americonned people to band together and take a stand in unison on just about anything.)

However, I can avoid this governmental transgression merely by removing myself from this particular arena.

But I made a vow a couple decades ago that my line is etched in stone when it comes to my body. THIS, I will not allow Uncle Scam to encroach upon. And when they start saying that I am REQUIRED to receive some government-approved vaccine, that's when they'll need to be prepared to fight me to the bloody end.

When our Evil Uncle thinks he has possession over my body and can dictate what is and isn't done to it, that's when my attempt to peacefully follow in the steps of my Lord Yeshua ends and I prepare for my final earthly trouble.

"In 1492, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion. This was the reply:

” Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.

The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives."

Do not doubt the possibility of actual malevolent and purposeful intent behind the vaccination-industrial-complex. (((Those))) who are behind it all know damn well that some of the things that are put in these vaccines are harmful.

Doctors are being killed for saving your children

"Nagalase enzyme protein is INTENTIONALLY being added to the population via immunizations. Nagalase STOPS vitamin D from binding to the Gc protein. This completely strips a human being’s body of it’s natural ability to kill cancer cells. Nagalase is a protein that’s also created by all cancer cells."

I think it looks better than the Slingshot, not as good as a vintage Morgan, but considerably more aerodynamic than either.

It's not at all the best looking of its type; certain compromises were made for practicality,but they're pretty much all some sort of airfoil or teardrop. That's what lets them go at motor vehicle speeds with only human power.

Current 200 Meter flying start record:139.5 kph/86.65 mph

Current hour record:90.6 kph/56.29 mph

If I had my druthers I'd want something that looks something like a Maserati 8CM or 250F.

91. Brick Hardslab: Do your two Senators vote 100% anti-immigration? Oppose H1B visas? Is your governor a hard line anti-wetback? Do illegals get free medical care in your state? Got any Third World refugees?