Both my wife and I will be voting for Obama. Don't really like him, but with the bumper crop of worthless republicans how can we not vote for him.
I would rather see Obama in for another 4 years than some of those other jokers.

Speaking as an outsider and seeing the campaigns unfold on our News, I think Obama is the best of a bad bunch. The OP is right things may not be
perfect in the States, but they could be a hell of a lot worse, and things will be worse if any of those two Republican clowns get in, they frankly
make Obama look like...Shaft, and almoost Make GW look like a well informed Statesman:-)

Originally posted by David9176
Haven't posted in awhile...so hello everyone and hope everything is going well for you all.

Now, to the point: Why? Some of you probably already thought I would based on my most recent posts...although I have never came out screaming as a
full blown Obama supporter....i used to be a STRONG STRONG advocate against him...as many here will know.

Times change...opinions change.

First: Quite frankly, all the Republican candidates are complete disasters...yes, i know many here are Ron Paul supporters, but it is simply not
possible for Ron Paul to win the nomination....and should he have become a threat...you'd see what happened to Gingrich happen to him. The
establishment will get what it wants...that's how it is for the GOP.

Second: Despite all of the craziness that has happened the last few years, through all the hatred, the hard times, the uncertainly...much of which
still exists.....WE ARE ALL STILL HERE.

Third: Some of us are struggling...some are not....and although the situation could be much better...it could certainly be FAR FAR WORSE.....even
with all of the obstruction and a do nothing Congress and Senate that we have.

Fourth: The middle class is in the middle of a collapse...wealth disparity has exploded. I look at our prior history, the middle class was the
strongest when tax rates were the highest for the most wealthy. The last 30 years we have completely gone in the opposite direction....now most
families...both parents have to work....affecting the time we can spend with our children. It has to change....we cannot blame everything on the
education system....much of the problem can be cast on both parents having to work (because wages have not kept up with inflation). But to the point,
Obama wants to head in the direction of raising taxes on the highest earners...and i support it.

Fifth: Obama HAS brought troops home....it's not exactly what I want (i'm more in line with Paul on his foreign policy..although not
completely)....but it's certainly better than all of the current Republican candidates that are electable. He has also curbed military
spending...which is a great thing.

I could go on....but that's where I am currently. I want my friends, neighbors, family, and my country...to be strong again....and it's in MY
OPINION that the current crop of Republicans will set us on a pace for disaster....and that is why I'm voting for Obama.

I understand that our deficit sits at 15 trillion. I understand it has grown since he has came into office. Quite frankly, I BELIEVE that there is
no way he could simply slash spending...or even raise taxes on the wealthiest...while the economy was in a tailspin. Some drastic measures had to be
taken.....many of which i was COMPLETELY AGAINST.

It's going to be a crazy year....I'm actually predicting an easy victory...should the economy at least remain stable. Usually Presidents do their
major policies in their second term.....they have nothing to lose and can try to do far more bolder things than in their first term.

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I think Obama has a VERY good chance of winning another four years. I think our overlords have decided to keep him and Obama knows it, never mind the
billion dollar campaign chest. The mainstream media will fully support Obama's re-election, as they did last time.

Of course, there is no way I would ever vote for Obama. So I will come out to vote against Obama again.

It's tragic for the US. I have no hope for the US with Obama getting another four years. Obamacare will go full bore -- increasing the size of the
Federal government & the national debt at an even faster rate. The US Dollar will be even more worthless than it is now. Obama is on an accelerated
agenda to destroy the US, of that I have no doubt. Soros was practically salivating when he predicted class warfare in the US.

I still think there's a good chance Obama is being set up for assassination in his second term -- such a perfect way to increase the chaos which will
demand State-imposed "order."
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does not matter which talking head you vote for. The policies remain the same. If you did not already know
that, (which, judging from your post, you do not) than you obviously have not done the research and, thus your post is without purpose, or merit.
Thanks for wasting space on the servers.

Originally posted by vasaga
Just to add to this.. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

Like Ron Paul's repeated failed attempts to run for president? Insanity!

I doubt someone whose avatar is a cartoon character has much room to speak about sanity but plenty of room to speak about being a joke. Problem for
you and those like you is people like me don't have a sense of humor on serious subjects but since you appear to be a TV and Movie Fan, here is a
quote for you "Buzzards Gotta Eat, Same As Worms".

Obamacare did get passed. Maybe what you mean is you would like a single payer to get passed. Or maybe you meant you would have liked the other half
of the country to want it as well as 1/2 of Congress.

Have any of RP's supporters stopped to consider the fact that he's the oldest presidential candidate? What happens if he passes after he's elected?

I think that RP *knows* that he doesn't stand a chance and yet, is doing this to prove a point about our broken system.

The "fear" of Paul passing on while in office due to his age is ridiculous. Any of us can die at any time. Paul is old enough to be my father, but
is in much better shape than I am. He is an exercise fanatic. The odds are that I will pass before he does!

He has challenged all of the candidates to a 20-mile (25-mile during the debate the other night) bike ride, through Houston, 100-degree weather, 100%
humidity...not one of them has taken him up on his offer. Which one of them is in the best physical condition???? Which one of them has the best odds
at maintaining their health???

This is not a fight between Democrats and Republicans--they are basically the same--they all want to keep on spending like there's no tomorrow, just
on different things. The policies NEVER change no matter who's in power in Congress, no matter whether it's a Dem or Repub President. This fight
is for the survival of our nation.
Ron Paul has the solutions, has predicted this economic mess well in advance, will make us safer by having our troops here to protect our country
instead of spread around the world, making us weaker. Paul has my vote, even if I have to write him in. And just in case anybody was wondering, I
absolutely despise politics. The only reason I started getting involved approximately 5 years ago, is because I could see that this country was going
downhill and I wanted to do my part to change that if I could--I love my children and grandchildren and I want this country to head back towards
freedom, prosperity, decency, honor, morals, integrity---for their sakes--rather than continue on with the ever-increasing corruption, rather than
continue on with this slide towards tyranny.

You are a victim of the main stream media. If you bothered to listen to both sides of the repealing of the civil rights laws you wold see a logical
reason for doing so. The government has no business saying how a tax paying business does business. With the fairly recent Supreme court ruling that
businesses are protected just like individuals, its an infringement on the first amendment. It would then behoove people to actually look into and
educate themselves about a businesses ethics and choose whether to patronize them.

Coincidently, Barrack Obama's Democratic predecessors were the ones that opposed the Civil rights legislation in the 50's and 60's....Democrats.

50's-60's? You mean when the republicans had JFK murdered and the civil rights was still a topic? I'm sure there were people on both sides of the
fence at that time... An Ron Paul is probably a product of it since he must've been 21 around then.

Also mainstream media? Really? That's your
arguement? Because I can show you that most the MSM other then a few said comedians trash Obama daily, so what MSM am i listening too? I don't watch
CNN and Foxnews is laughable. I do my own research, read both sides of the arguement and come to my own conclusions, since your a blind follower of RP
like most of the children on this site I'll let you off the hook. RP would also like to get rid of the handicap acts as well, I know why he wants too,
doesn't mean its right.

I didn't have to even look at the graph the answers at the bottom: The PowerPoint slide shown to US commanders shows security, economic and political
conditions in Afghanistan. The dark blue arrows represent Afghan National Security Forces with the enemy in red. Other arrows highlight corruption,
tribal favouritism and drug trafficking

I didn't have to even look at the graph the answers at the bottom: The PowerPoint slide shown to US commanders shows security, economic and political
conditions in Afghanistan. The dark blue arrows represent Afghan National Security Forces with the enemy in red. Other arrows highlight corruption,
tribal favouritism and drug trafficking

Of course, but if you were to actually look at the graph you will see why General McChrystal said this, "When we understand that slide, we will have
won the war."

I dare you go look at it instead of simplifying it to a couple colors.
And I'm 100 % certain you couldn't be bothered with reading all the many captions with all the arrows.

I haven't counted out Ron Paul yet. However, it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for an establishment Republican. Sorry, greed and corruption
in America is running rampant worldwide. I personally would rather live in a welfare state then a corporate police state. Not great options to chose
from, but that is what our current election without Ron Paul appears to be. I still haven't given up hope that another leader would emerge behind Ron
Paul's ideals, his son is not that person though. I agree President's make more bold moves in their second term and this could be a good thing for
America. I never saw Obama as a socialist or some left wing nut; rather, a pragmatic person that doesn't hinge decisions on any one ideology. He does
have a little common sense, but the common sense seems to benefit the corrupt and powerful more often then it helps actual people. That may change
with a second term but I am not holding my breath.

So I will be joining you voting for Obama if Ron Paul is not the nominee. Those Republicans can kiss my behind as they want war after war, which rakes
in profits. They want crony capitalism, and huge government contracts to powerful elites. They see boogey men around every corner, when all they need
to do is look in the mirror. They are my boogey man.

Many might say how I could support Obama if I believe in liberty. The answer is simple. My vote is a protest to the Republican establishment and all
the old people of this country where religious beliefs control politics. They won't have my vote for their candidate that seeks to preach free
markets, when they really are about crony capitalism. They won't have my vote for their candidate that seeks peace through the barrel of a gun. They
won't have my vote that seek to make Americans live under more repressive security measures daily. They won't have my vote when they can't try to
work with the President or other party to do something great for our country.

I could argue every point you're making here and win. You have no idea what you're talking about, and to consider this ATS-worthy is an utter
insult. Your opinion is not based on any facts, period, and therefore, useless. No offense. You don't even know, lol, that Obama never brought the
troops back. George Bush signed papers making the troops return home around this time period. Obama has no control over this. It was going to happen
anyway. My god..How has this website based on so much research and passion been hijacked by these silly GOP/democrat ducklings?

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