dventu wrote:Well I'm very upset I'm not receiving the scoot this month. If i dont see the product rolling out soon I'll be issuing a charge back. I've been reading this thread and there is a lot of unhappy customers. http://forums.letskickscoot.com/post?id ... 1&trail=75

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Well, like I said a lot of their stats don't seem to be adding up, I think the biggest warning sign of all is they are claiming to get twice the power as everyone else from the same motor. I mean, maybe they are sacrificing reliability, but their top speed is the same. 500w will move you a lot faster than 15mph. Their motors are obviously 250w and 350w, and if they can't even get that straight, I wonder about the rest of the project. I do really like that folding seat, though.

I got a confirmation email about 2 to 3 weeks ago. We should be getting a production start date today. I'm really interested in the product. Hopefully we get scooting in May. Or else I'm not sure what to do. If they start shipping by May then it's typical 2 month indiegogo delays. Keeping my fingers crossed. Or charge back and get luna apocalypse

As for the reason they might stall, that is anyone's guess. The entire campaign has been sketchy from the beginning, with Eon putting forth too many claims that don't add up. They constantly contradict themselves left and right, and it's just bizarre how they're almost never willing to answer simple questions with direct answers. In addition, the campaign owner has no verifiable businesss background that I've been able to discern. His LinkedIn page has exactly zero professional contacts, which I find extremely strange. I have a LinkedIn account I never curated and haven't used in years, and even I have a couple dozen contacts just from people I've known and worked with over the years. How is it even possible this guy knows nobody on LinkedIn? It's just one more mystery with Eon.

My guess is that Eon will keep stalling as long as possible, until a sudden "unexpected problem" comes up that will be the beginning of the end for Eon. And if that happens, no one will ever know for certain if it was just a standard failed campaign, or if that was the plan all along (in other words, a scam).

Looking at the big picture, something about this campaign is just very "off".

Well, it's been a while and the news is not good. Comments on their Facebook Group page, and IndieGoGo have turned quite negative, and there is always the discussion board on letskickscoot.com that is calling it a scam.

Personally, I have tried to get a refund and been rejected. Ironically I have been promised a partial refund by Eon over ordering errors with the 10" upgrade, but that was over 60 days ago and still nothing. I have been blocked from commenting on the IGG page as well. I have been polite, but I am sure I have said things they don't like. Like this.

So spreading the word here that Eon has not been a good company to deal with. I would not back the scooter today if I knew now what I didn't know then. Realistically no pictures or videos since the beginning of the campaign, just some questionable and odd ones, and some basic design drawings. They are way, way behind if they are making a scooter at all. If they gave refunds they would not be subject to the criticism they have generated.

I do hope they can build a great scooter because it is starting to look like that may be the only way to get value returned for me and others. For a lot of people's sake, I really hope they prove me a fool for doubting them.

It's March. 2018, just to be clear. And Eon still hasn't delivered squat.

I still stand by my comment from nine months ago. Eon appears to be stalling for some reason. My best guess is that the Eon campaign is not financially viable, and they know it isn't viable. I wouldn't expect them to ever admit it, though.

This is the same company that has provided four previous production dates that they knew were completely bogus. The same company that claimed to have a non-existent patent. The same company that trolls its own campaign comment page and Facebook page with phony, made-up backers. The same company that invented employees who don't exist. The same company that has promised numerous videos that never got made. The same company that used a classic "bait and switch" tactic to separate backers from their money. The same company where the founder (Dave Greenberg) deletes any comments that highlight his frequent dishonesty. The same company that always refuses to provide any proof it has done what it claims to have done.

It's theoretically possible Eon just got in over its head. This is the fate of far too many crowdfunding projects that attempt to design and manufacture something more complicated than a pencil. Once they get into it, they quickly realize there are 101 additional things they need to do that never occurred to them. Since these founders often have little to no significant business experience, at some point they realize they won't be able to pull if off and the campaign fails.

In Eon's case however, I also wouldn't dismiss outright fraud. As noted above, Eon's founder David Greenberg has engaged in a repeated and willful pattern of sketchy behavior that is far, far beyond anything that any reasonable person would find acceptable. And not surprisingly, Indiegogo and Eon's marketing agency (Agency 2.0) have been complicit every step of the way. The common denominator between those two corporate cesspools? They each benefit from whatever money Greenberg can scam out of his victims.

Eon now "estimates" they will manufacture in April and deliver before summer. Do I believe that? Not even for a second. With Eon's track record, why would I??? The only reason some backers believe it is because they want to believe it. And because a fair number of them are idiots who aren't capable of anything resembling critical thought.

But as I started off saying, Eon is stalling. Remember, Eon claims they've been working on this scooter for four years. Problem is, nothing about their supposed scooter is so unprecedented that it would take four years to develop. It's not as if they're using any new technology or something like that. Nah, if they haven't made the thing yet, it's because they aren't planning to. Greenberg has simply "forgotten" to mention that to backers. Those backers will figure it out some day. And when they do they'll be very late to the party.

It is clear Eon is not truthful or transparent, for whatever reason. Looking for accountability, hoping for professionalism, pretty much disappointed. I am involved with manufacturing science and technology for a global company, and I know the way Eon acts is not how professional companies operate, there is no argument. In the legitimate world you must show verifiable results or it didn't happen. Backers have no tangible evidence or facts verified through a third party. All we have is what we are being told. The phone in anyone's pocket could provide solid picture/video evidence in under an hour if it exists.

Just another Eon update here, to note that there’s no update. Here’s the TL:DR version:

1. At this point there is still no scooter.
2. There is still no evidence Eon has any intention of mass producing a scooter.
3. Dave Greenberg has gone into hiding on Facebook. It appears he has abandoned Indiegogo.
4. Amazingly, there still appear to be backers who haven’t figured out they’re very obviously being conned. Wishful thinking on their part? Denial? Embarrassment? Who knows what they’re thinking. Or even IF they’re thinking.

Eon appears to have abandoned Indiegogo; a very strange thing to do if they were really planning on delivering any scooters. And that’s just it. David Greenberg isn’t planning on delivering anything. His sole refuge is now the Eon Facebook Backer’s group, where he continues to whisper sweet nothings into the ears of a largely gullible and naïve audience. He will continue to do that for as long as he can, mostly to avoid pesky refund requests. It’s always a promise of “we’re almost there” but without evidence supporting any notion of mass production. You’d think participants of that FB group might catch on and wise up, but again those backers have proven to be mostly immune to any semblance of commonsense. And when they do occasionally speak up with entirely reasonable questions they are quickly banished. To carry out his scam to completion David Greenberg depends on people “staying stupid”, so there’s no room for anyone who might dare suggest that the things Greenberg is saying, don’t add up.

I hope U.S. backers have enough sense (although I doubt it) to contact their State Attorney General’s Office with a complaint against Eon and Dave Greenberg. Unless those backers are willing to hire a lawyer themselves, the AG in their respective states probably represents their best chance of ever seeing their money again. Another thing backers could do is start contacting media outlets. Many different media outlets are always looking for consumer interests stories, and there’s a doozy of a story here. But here too this would require that backers first realize they’ve been scammed, and then be willing to actually do something about it. I’m not very confident that most backers will be willing to lift a finger to get their money back. I’d bet Greenberg is making that same prediction. He’s likely counting on it, in fact.

Oh, another funny thing here: In my last post above I mentioned that Eon is “The same company that trolls its own campaign comment page and Facebook page with phony, made-up backers.” Sure enough, just last week David Greenberg was again caught red-handed inventing a fake backer to shill for him on Facebook. Another backer had astutely noticed that this new & fake “backer” (named “Annabelle Hays”) had just created “her” FB account and was suspiciously trolling other users and shilling for Eon right out of the gate. Come to find out this new “backer” got approved to join the FB group by…herself. That is to say this new “backer” had Admin credentials for the group; something that only the group owner (Greenberg) possesses. Whoops! When it was pointed out that “Annabelle Hays” and “Dave Greenberg” were the same person, Greenberg quickly kicked out the backer who made the discovery. Literally within minutes. Do things get any more shady than that??? This Greenberg clown is literally engaging in fraud to conceal his fraud! LOL!!! This is not going to end well for him.