Oh well... I will your respect your view about Mao's underrotation although I still firmly believe that many of her jumps were not fully rotated. As a Mao fan, I personally would not like her to receive points for triples that she did not fully rotate (and actually get feedback from the judges about what she needs to work on), so that she would be encouraged to work harder to rotate better on say for example, her triple flip, and so that by the time the Olympics comes, she will be more fully prepared in terms of actually rotating her jumps and not be marked down by the judges at Sochi, where she will not be given any home-based advantage.

Creating mistakes you say. Nobody underrotating her jumps like Asada. Kim, Gold, Kostner, Russians, Osmond, even Wagner rotating good. Not all time but majority of their jumps are clean. Asada's all jumps looked short. If this is not a mistake I don't know what it is.

yes ofcourse, the whole technical panel at every competition are blind and so are all the judges, and every protocol out there is fake
What's more, please entertain me a bit longer

Creating mistakes you say. Nobody underrotating her jumps like Asada. Kim, Gold, Kostner, Russians, Osmond, even Wagner rotating good. Not all time but majority of their jumps are clean. Asada's all jumps looked short. If this is not a mistake I don't know what it is.

That is simply not true. Gold and Wagner have also been getting free passes on underrotated jumps - Gold on her triple Loop in the NHK Trophy SP, Wagner on both her triple-triples at Skate America. In addition to the ones that weren't called, Wagner also had the < mark on two of her triples in the SA LP. Osmond? Osmond had to withdraw from Skate Canada due to injury. Not sure what you're seeing there. As for Kostner, well. She has gotten credit for underrotated triple-triples plenty of times in the past. In fact, she even got credit for an underrotated fall in March. Several of Asada's jumps looked short, but by no means did all of them look that way. If you think this is only a mistake from Asada then I don't know what you've been watching.

Did you not hear what they have commented about the triple flip-double loop combo (more specifically, at 6:44) and the triple lutz, ignoring my references?

Anyway, think what you want. I will hold my own opinion, and you will hold yours.

6:44 I hear them talk about the - goe of the 3A, which is also apparent in the clip, and not a single mention was made about an otherwise clearly under-rotated jump, but thank you for the very reliable references

6:44 I hear them talk about the - goe of the 3A, which is also apparent in the clip, and not a single mention was made about an otherwise clearly under-rotated jump, but thank you for the otherwise very reliable references

Haha. Boy oh boy, I have to be dead-on specific when providing you evidence. Look at 6:50. That is EXACTLY where they mention the underrotation on the 3F-2Lo. Lol.

That is simply not true. Gold and Wagner have also been getting free passes on underrotated jumps - Gold on her triple Loop in the NHK Trophy SP, Wagner on both her triple-triples at Skate America. In addition to the ones that weren't called, Wagner also had the < mark on two of her triples in the SA LP. Osmond? Osmond had to withdraw from Skate Canada due to injury. Not sure what you're seeing there. As for Kostner, well. She has gotten credit for underrotated triple-triples plenty of times in the past. In fact, she even got credit for an underrotated fall in March. Several of Asada's jumps looked short, but by no means did all of them look that way. If you think this is only a mistake from Asada then I don't know what you've been watching.

I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.

Originally Posted by mary01

yes ofcourse, the whole technical panel at every competition are blind and so are all the judges, and every protocol out there is fake
What's more, please entertain me a bit longer

I'm amazed of you mary01 You are in the every thread where Asada's underotated triples are discussing and posting some angry/dismissing posts And you are criticize poster who open thread about Asada's underotated triples Not suspicious at all

I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.

I'm amazed of you mary01 You are in the every thread where Asada's underotated triples are discussing and posting some angry/dismissing posts And you are criticize poster who open thread about Asada's underotated triples Not suspicious at all

you see these threads and some posters comments were to amusing to leave, but I will surely ask your permission when I have to enter a new thread in the future

I did say ''not all time but majority of their jumps are clean''. You are saying couple of exception. If you think Gold, Wagner and Kostner's jumps are underrotated< than Asada's jumps are double<<underrotated.

"Majority of their jumps are clean" when talking about Kostner? LOL! They're nice when she lands them, but she happened to have two clean triples in the FS at Cup of China. I suppose doubling your jumps can be considered keeping your jumps clean, but a clean double and a clean triple are two different things. In fact, a clean double is worth about the same as a filthy-looking triple. Having multiple mistakes in every FS is not "a couple of exceptions." Gracie hit 3 out of 7 triples at NHK; that is not better than Mao. At Skate America, Wagner hit 3 clean triples in her FS; that was also not better than Mao. Also, claiming that Asada's jumps deserve << when some of Gold, Wagner, and Kostner have a < is a completely inane statement.

Originally Posted by elif

Note:Osmond withdraw after the SP.

I am aware that Osmond withdrew after the SP. That's why I said she withdrew.

Oh well... I will your respect your view about Mao's underrotation although I still firmly believe that many of her jumps were not fully rotated. As a Mao fan, I personally would not like her to receive points for triples that she did not fully rotate (and actually get feedback from the judges about what she needs to work on), so that she would be encouraged to work harder to rotate better on say for example, her triple flip, and so that by the time the Olympics comes, she will be more fully prepared in terms of actually rotating her jumps and not be marked down by the judges at Sochi, where she will not be given any home-based advantage.