Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape

The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between
the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.

From the recording.

“There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new
coalition,” Paet said during the conversation.

Was there something about *ALL* electronic communications being intercepted, monitored and reviewed they thought was a joke or wasn't really
happening? That people still discuss "the smoking gun" in open telephone conversations blows me away. What in the heck has the lesson been of the
last several months and Snowden, if not to be a little careful in what gets said on electronic devices. After all... Someone is always
listening Somewhere

I saw a video clip on LiveLeak a couple of weeks back shot in Kiev. It allegedly showed a member of the opposition stopped in his car by protestors
for a search. In the boot (trunk, for our American friends) was a case that was opened and in it was a sniper rifle, with suppressor. The driver was
allowed on his way, without further delay!

ManFromEurope
rt as the official russian voice of government is NOT the most-unbiased source for infos around Ukrainia, I would think..

Therefore: High hoax-propability.

That'll make the first fabrication I'll have ever caught RT handling without it being something media as a whole got taken for a ride on.

Sure..RT spins like a childs toy for Pro-Russian positions. Would we expect different? RT is owned by the Kremlin. Literally, not figuratively, by way
of another Russian media organization. Still.. Ownership does not a hoax make and spin doesn't equal fabrication, IMO. I'll give them the benefit of
the doubt until proven otherwise. This isn't the first outright dumb phone intercept quite recently..and the last one was valid, as I recall....

Still not being picked up by Sky News, it must be true so, they are every bit the same propaganda machine that RT is called, big news if true, the
west would be caught funding terrorists yet again.....

sosobad
Still not being picked up by Sky News, it must be true so, they are every bit the same propaganda machine that RT is called, big news if true, the
west would be caught funding terrorists yet again.....

edit on 5-3-2014 by sosobad because: (no reason given)

It's just made it onto the Telegraph blog about Ukraine. Nothing yet on Sky or BBC though I wonder what they'd say.

Officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to the ousted President Viktor Yanukovich have hacked phones of Estonian Minister of Foreign
Affairs Urmas Paet and High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and leaked their
conversation to the web. The officials discuss their impressions of what's happening in the country after the revolution. The gist of it is that
Ukrainian people have no trust in any of the leaders of Maidan. However the most striking thing of all is the fact which concerns the use of force
during the revolution, particularly the snipers who killed both protesters and officers of the riot police. Mr. Paet reveals astonishing information
which confirms the rumours that the snipers were employed by the leaders of Maidan.

btw russia by law is allowed troops in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

Following a referendum held on January 20, 1991, the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was reestablished on February 12, 1991 by the
Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR.[4] Today, it is the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

anyone who thinks the usa or israel or nato or the neo nazis they have just installed in place of the democratically elected government ( just like
the shaw of iran ), are the good guys here is whacked

As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of
anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.

“I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me
‘brother,’” he said. “What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re
inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.”

If this is true then the following MUST also be true :
1. Since Aston is only a foreign minister then her "superior" in the EU must also know ie Jose Manuel Barroso
2. Likewise the Estonian side ie the estonian president.
3. And Ed Miliband since Aston is a labour peer
4. And Dave cameron since he is the UK leader of the country Aston represents in the EU
5. The leaders of the protestors in the Ukraine
6. All decision makers and resource organisers linked to all of these people in order to get the snipers and material in place (the logistical side of
this.....conspiracists always forget about logistics !!!!)
7. The Ukraine police chiefs must allow the snipers into certain areas to allow the snipers to shoot the police. ....say whaaaattt!!!
8. There would be a falsified taped conversation between Putin/ Yanukovych (or representative) and the snipers (or representative) in order to
prove it was the Russians/ Yanukovych.

Given the release of this tape surely the alternate tape from 8 must appear. The only logical conclusion if such an alternate conversation does not
manifest itself is that that RT tape is a forgery. The forgery will condemn itself once analysed.

“I saw unarmed civilians with no military background being ground by a well-oiled military machine, and it made my blood boil,” Delta told JTA
in Hebrew laced with military jargon. “I joined them then and there, and I started fighting back the way I learned how, through urban warfare
maneuvers. People followed, and I found myself heading a platoon of young men. Kids, really.”

The other ex-IDF infantrymen joined the Blue Helmets later after hearing it was led by a fellow vet, Delta said.

As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of
anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.

from my link above
ahhh a zionazi
Just like rabbi Antlebaum, i always said the zionists and the nazis and now neo nazis,were always in bed together

the us spent what 5 billion organizing those protests....
funny they aren't called occupy , i wonder where was MR IDF then?

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly
ignored any hard facts that got in their way.

Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.

The media many trust described in hysterical tones how the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was under a full-scale Russian invasion with headlines like:
“Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea”, “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can
Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”.

Facts, and ardent statements by top Russian diplomats were totally ignored by the western ‘war press’.

Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin pointed to the longstanding 25,000 troop allowance while FM Sergey Lavrov stressed the Russian military
“strictly executes the agreements which stipulate the Russian fleet’s presence in Ukraine, and follows the stance and claims coming from the
legitimate authority in Ukraine and in this case the legitimate authority of the Autonomous Republic Crimea as well.”

If this is true then the following MUST also be true :
1. Since Aston is only a foreign minister then her "superior" in the EU must also know ie Jose Manuel Barroso
2. Likewise the Estonian side ie the estonian president.
3. And Ed Miliband since Aston is a labour peer
4. And Dave cameron since he is the UK leader of the country Aston represents in the EU
5. The leaders of the protestors in the Ukraine
6. All decision makers and resource organisers linked to all of these people in order to get the snipers and material in place (the logistical side of
this.....conspiracists always forget about logistics !!!!)
7. The Ukraine police chiefs must allow the snipers into certain areas to allow the snipers to shoot the police. ....say whaaaattt!!!
8. There would be a falsified taped conversation between Putin/ Yanukovych (or representative) and the snipers (or representative) in order to
prove it was the Russians/ Yanukovych.

Given the release of this tape surely the alternate tape from 8 must appear. The only logical conclusion if such an alternate conversation does not
manifest itself is that that RT tape is a forgery. The forgery will condemn itself once analysed.

if there are idf there
it is no accident..
just like the sectarian violence they are creating in iraq

paying agent provocateurs is standard practice
thats where the several billion dollars the us spent

I missed where it said anything remotely like Israeli Defense Forces are present in Ukraine or anywhere in Europe for that matter.

Every single citizen of the Israeli nation MUST serve and are *ALL* veterans of IDF service (well.. almost all...but that's another thread).
So..basically, if you see an Israeli anywhere in the world over the age of majority? Odds are very strong they are also military veterans of the
Israeli Defense Force. One doesn't live there and not serve, outside a few very specific exceptions.

Hence...This "Delta" character here says he's Jewish but his 30+ team members aren't. He's a veteran, not a serving soldier and just kinda saw a need
and went to work. Mercenary would be another term I'd use....although, perhaps Soldier of Fortune fits better here, if he was fighting for conscience
as he says..and not for a paycheck to the highest bidder.

What I don't see any connection to, aside from previous affiliation for training in life, is the Israeli Military/IDF?

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