IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

You really think 70% of the people will manage to farm a TF?..

This kind of change could diminish future tier designs, unless they step up their game a bit.

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Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.

Worldie wrote:IF (always assuming this transmogrifier thing is what we think it is) it was possible to freely change the appearance of items to other stuff... would you REALLY like seeing 70% of the people running around in T2 with a thunderfury?

Absolutely not. I don't want to see anyone wearing replica gear at all. I don't support recolours either, but I'd accept that a lot more over seeing someone in their fake gear just because they thought it was pretty.

I would go along with your sentiments Nika if Blizzard was in the habit of making new and interesting models for all the classes each tier. There is sadly at least 2 classes per tier that I look at and say "Seriously, WTFF were they thinking." I can completely understand people who are unhappy with their appearance.

Hell, as a Prot Paladin I was always irritable that warriors and or DK tanks could end up in a suit of armor that LOOKED like it went together. Prots were always wearing a belt and boots and bracers (thought rarely visible) that looked like they didn't belong. No matter how epic the raiding prot paladin is, no matter how many times over they kill H:Rags, A Prot Paladin is going to have to wear a healing belt and boots to make his set look "right".

And yes. Visuals are important to me. I essentially QUIT playing my very first level 70 after my 2nd or 3rd heroic when I got his legs and they looked awful. I'm not alone in thinking that aesthetics are important.

Don't think of it just as a "Vanity Old School" gear thing. Maybe you just really want to wear your T13 gear, but as usual the Pally is some crazy color and design that doesn't mesh with Dk / Warrior. So instead you are wearing your super awesome T13 blue paladin gear with a flaming orange warrior set tank belt, and violent red dk set tank boots. But! Then you win the plate healing Belt and boots. You walk over to the tmog guy and BLAM! Now you too can look super cool and not clashing.

For everything they did to make aesthetics better from the TBC paint fight to now, Paladin tanks (and to an extent ENH Shaman, and Feral Druids) get stuck wearing off set gear non tier piece item slot gear that looks FUGGING AWFUL with their tier gear.

Besides, this is all free range conjecture until we hear what it is all about.

Shoju wrote:If 70% of the populace has TFury, I might go punch a blizz employee.

/stomps off grumbling about 3+ wasted years of farming.

You'd be surprised of how common it is.

In my guild even some casters (who can't use it) have it. And it has been like that in every guild I joined since halfway in WotLK.I thought TF was rare when I made mine, but I soon found out that everyone and their grandmom has it.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

My biggest gripe is that offset pieces are the exact same model as a tier piece or, as you said, another class' tier. The fact that they don't even recolour them now is a bit shocking, particularly since they have even less gear to create now that there is no difference between 10 and 25 man gear. I'm not so much concerned about matchy matchy colours, I'm more disturbed by hideous models. But, that being said, while I loved my T8 from Ulduar, I don't want to wear it forever - I'd get bored of it!

Actually, thinking about it all... I would be okay (and possibly happy) if you could create your OWN gear. Not have it morph into something that has already existed, but rather draw your own. That way it's unique to you (until someone copies you and you scream bloody murder) and it's not derived from pre-existing gear.

That made me think that we could finally match boots and belts with our sets by copying the holy pieces.

just one of the many advantages.

And if Blizz is smart, they are monitoring all the threads across all the forums that this has spawned, and are measuring the speculation, reaction to that speculation, and finding the happy middle ground based on all the responses, and seeing if that meshes with what the planned in the first place...

or it could just be a lark...

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

What you said has shown many times to be true. I still remember that I've been the first to mention to give paladins a Guardian Spirit when we were complaining for lack of cooldowns, and it actually happened a month after :p

On a funny note, thinking about that some hours ago, I wondered if Blizzard has absolutely no idea of what to do of those two NPCs, just invented funky names and is now scanning community forums for ideas.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.

Personally I run Athene's Gear Check and don't evaluate PvE group memebrs based on item models. I realize in PvP visual identification can really help sizing up an opponent, and I do recognize a few PvE items, but I use the gear check to get an idea of potential and then evaluate output on recount or on executing mechanics (tanks especially)

Sabindeus wrote:if you zone into a Random 5 man wearing what looks like T3, your teammates lose the ability to size you up instantly and know what content you've been through.

While I don't dispute this statement, half the problem I have in the random 5 mans - which contributes greatly to why I don't do them anymore - is that when my teammates showing up wearing gear that is identifiable, I still lose the ability to size them up instantly. Gear =/= skill, and we all know there are still the random inbreds who think that fire gives them a +10 moodlet called Warm Fuzzies.

For me personally, I'd rather zone in and see someone wearing what looks like t3, and be pleasantly surprised; rather than what looks like t12 heroic, and be sorely disappointed.

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fafhrd wrote:If someone zoned in in a full or near full set of level 60 enchanted T3 I'd actually probably assume they know how to play more often than I'd assume someone in a bunch of T11 gear knows how to play.

Yeah, I have to say having a bunch of T3 sends a rather loud message that you've been around for a long time. But I don't think anyone seriously looks at the gear you're wearing and sizes you up right then. They might go "is he wearing pvp shoulders?" before hitting /inspect. HP/mana values are probably more common for at-a-glance sizing up.

I agree with not allowing appearance changes in arenas, but there's no need for a 5-man to be able to size you up at a glance. There's enough variation in item models and relative appearance already that it's somewhat difficult -- especially for the majority of the population who know next to nothing about gear that other classes wear, and just know that's what "hunter gear looks like." Seeing a hunter dressed like a priest would generate a laugh, not abject horror and confusion.

Actually back in Vanilla / Tbc seeing a hunter wearing Int gear generated usually a *facepalm*

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.