So I have a discussion with a Thai monk. He said that we are being tested constantly at a certain stage of our life or practice. Some people after going through a difficult period they fail the test some of them pass the test. Then I asked him who tested us? He said nature. But when I asked for further explanation he did not want to expand his statement. It seems to me that it is likely that we need to 'prove' our goodness during our life in the samsara. If you can maintain that no matter what is your religion is, in fact all major religions said that you will be ascending to heaven, blessed by goodness, happiness, etc.

Steve,I think its just a turn of phrase. What you are doing by living a dhammic life is to swim against the tide of past conditionings/fabrications. The tension that this causes, you could say is "the test". But in reality, there is no test and no tester. There is only the training.I hope that makes sense.kind regards,

Ben

Learn this from the waters:in mountain clefts and chasms,loud gush the streamlets,but great rivers flow silently.

I feel there are times in life and practice when certain things line up and there is almost a sense of purpose or intelligence behind it. I think it is best not to speculate. It could be the results of kamma or some other complexity emerging from a multitude of causes and conditions. In the end, it is pure guesswork and it is best to focus our efforts on what needs doing rather worrying about some imagined entity that tests us, or that we need to please, etc.

153. Through many a birth in samsara have I wandered in vain, seeking the builder of this house (of life). Repeated birth is indeed suffering!

154. O house-builder, you are seen! You will not build this house again. For your rafters are broken and your ridgepole shattered. My mind has reached the Unconditioned; I have attained the destruction of craving.

Dhammapada

"Now what is the noble truth of the origination of stress? The craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming... And what is the noble truth of the cessation of stress? The remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving."

— DN 22

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

steve19800 wrote:So I have a discussion with a Thaimonk. He said that we are being testedconstantly at a certain stage of our lifeor practice.

Monk is right.

Adhipateyya Sutta: Governing Principles

"And what is the cosmos as agoverning principle? There is the casewhere a monk, having gone to awilderness, to the foot of a tree, or toan empty dwelling, reflects on this: 'Itis not for the sake of robes that I have gone forth from the home life intohomelessness; it is not for the sake ofalmsfood, for the sake of lodgings, orfor the sake of this or that state of[future] becoming that I have goneforth from the home life into homelessness. Simply that I am besetby birth, aging, & death; by sorrows,lamentations, pains, distresses, &despairs; beset by stress, overcomewith stress, [and I hope,] "Perhaps theend of this entire mass of suffering & stress might be known!" Now if I,having gone forth, were to thinkthoughts of sensuality, thoughts of illwill, or thoughts of harmfulness: greatis the community of this cosmos. Andin the great community of this cosmos there are brahmans & contemplativesendowed with psychic power,clairvoyant, skilled [in reading] theminds of others. They can see evenfrom afar. Even up close, they areinvisible. With their awareness they know the minds of others. They wouldknow this of me: "Look, my friends, atthis clansman who — though he hasin good faith gone forth from thehome life into homelessness —remains overcome with evil, unskillful mental qualities." There are also devasendowed with psychic power,clairvoyant, skilled [in reading] theminds of others. They can see evenfrom afar. Even up close, they areinvisible. With their awareness they know the minds of others. They wouldknow this of me: "Look, my friends, atthis clansman who — though he hasin good faith gone forth from thehome life into homelessness —remains overcome with evil, unskillful mental qualities."' So he reflects onthis: 'My persistence will be aroused &not lax; my mindfulness established &not confused; my body calm & notaroused; my mind centered & unified.'Having made the cosmos his governing principle, he abandonswhat is unskillful, develops what isskillful, abandons what isblameworthy, develops what isunblameworthy, and looks afterhimself in a pure way. This is called the cosmos as a governing principle.

Nothing, because there is nothing. The arising of something in the sphere of arising of sense of self however causes the arising of the sense of "being tested".

Obviously, by your own words, there is not "nothing," because if there were "nothing" there could not be 'The arising of something in the sphere of arising of sense of self however causes the arising of the sense of "being tested",' which by your own words is something.

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

tiltbillings wrote:Obviously, by your own words, there is not "nothing," ...

thinks what has already been arisen as felt something.

Hmm. Cute, but it still does not work. You said there is nothing, which you contradicted when you said there is something, and now you are are positing "thinks," which clearly is something and not nothing. Geez, ground, you are not doing too terribly well here.

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

Do I really have to tell you? You cannot follow a simple give and take? Or are you simply being non-responsive again to your being shown that sometimes what you say is not without some degree of problem, which in this case is that first you say one thing then directly contradict your first statement by the very next thing you say.

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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

Nothing, because there is nothing. The arising of something in the sphere of arising of sense of self however causes the arising of the sense of "being tested".

Obviously, by your own words, there is not "nothing," because if there were "nothing" there could not be 'The arising of something in the sphere of arising of sense of self however causes the arising of the sense of "being tested",' which by your own words is something.

However, when I read his post, to me it seems it is like this:

"nothing" = "nothing doing the testing, i.e. there is no 'tester'". Note that he said "nothing" in response to someone asking "but what/who is actually testing us?"."something" = "something that causes the feeling of being tested"

The something causing the feeling of being tested need not be a tester, therefore there is no contradiction.