Mel’s Hole, definitely exists, Red Elk declares– it’s 27-27½ miles deep, connects to under ground tunnels, and serves as a “blow hole” to Mount Rainier. The Yakima Indians know of another such hole, he adds.

Such holes are used by the “Lizard People” to transport goods from spaceships to their underground caverns, he continues.

“I’ve had my run-ins with them,” they have green/khaki scaly skin, walk upright, and occasionally kill humans to make powders that increase their lifespan, details Red Elk.

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Can we find these creatures in the bible?

1. There are some comments about a strange looking, very strong, non-human people, never seen before.

Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

*** note; it says a people here, like none have ever seen. The sky is affected.

No one has ever seen anything that looks like them before. So they must be a very unusual looking people.

Joe 2:3 A fire devours before them; and behind them a flame burns: the land [is] as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

** they produce or bring fire. Normal people do not do this. How do they produce fire ahead of their approach? Lasers? They are destructive.

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UFO abducts cow – “nothing shall escape them.”

Joe 2:4 The appearance of them [is] as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

This is also predicted in Revelation – at the 5th trumpet

** Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.

Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

*** so they are insect looking but larger, as horses, armed for battle. This is the hardest part to interpret.

Do they look like horses? Or do they look like locusts? Both walk on 4 legs, have oblong heads, and have tails. But these creatures have faces of men.

They also travel by “chariot.”

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What shape are these crowns, or head coverings? The shapes might help identify the head type of the “locust”

Horned crown above– Egypt- cow horns and solar disks for the leading goddesses of the pantheon, such as Hathor and Isis, emphasizing their maternal role.

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So, either the “locusts” have heads shaped like crowns similar to those above, or the “gods from heaven” come wearing crowns.

Or, maybe the concept of Horned creatures (devils) is not so far fetched after all.

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Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devours the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

*** if they leap over mountains, they must be in the air to begin with .

Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained (writhe in pain): all faces shall gather blackness (be drained of color, withdraw brightness, grow pale with terror).

*** the very appearance of them will create pain and terror. People will be pale with fright.

Revelation describes the torment of these creatures:

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he strikes a man.

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

*** they seem to come with a force that cannot be resisted.

Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and [when] they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

*** they don’t die when wounded! They are not human, not mortal. They cannot die, or they are already dead.

Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

*** these people act like wild animals or insects

Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

*** Rev 8:12 ¶ And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

UFO before Haiti earthquake

UFO before Rome earthquake

*** the fourth angel sounds right before these people/creatures are unleashed.

So far, there are people who resemble locusts or are just described physically, as non-human.

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2. Since Lizards (as seen by Indians- above) are considered the 4 legged ancestors of serpents (no legs), are there serpentine creatures mentioned in the bible?

The answer is yes, quite a few times.

The devil is portrayed as a serpent, in the garden, and in the book of Revelation.

But isn’t this just symbolism?

Maybe yes, maybe no.

1. A physical serpent is described more than once

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord [which] thou lettest down?

Psa 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, [and] gavest him [to be] meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.

2. The serpent comes in spiritual energy forms as well. Look at what people would allow in their bodies to manifest.

Would this be the way the serpentine creatures take control of those without the seal of God on them?

Sensations in the central nervous system would be a counterfeit “divine” experience of ascending to a “higher level of consciousness.”

This is not “ascension.” This is pathology, and damage to the nervous system.

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Conclusion:

There are implications, evidence, or references to a people who are not human who will come and torment mankind.

There seems to be some common elements between what people have personally witnessed, and those described from scripture.

Those tormented will not have the seal of God on them.

The creatures (call them demons, aliens, lizards, or whatever you want) will win over, and destroy for eternity, anyone they seize and take for themselves.

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Are you sealed by God? Or are you a target for these creatures? They are not your gods. They are evil, and God’s enemies.

It is important to make a decision who you will belong to in the near future. Please consider carefully, as your eternal destiny is at stake.

Has anyone ever watched Stargate? no seriously, this is what I thought of when I saw the above pic of the snake wrapped around the spine…This is part of what Stargate is about. along with the Eygtian gods, baal etc…

My 7 year old was looking over my shoulder when I was reading the above with the pics of the Egyptians….I don’t believe he has ever seen pics like this before…he said to me “look mommy, that is prophecy without words”…..hmmmmmm

He is! He has something special for sure…the day of my accident back in july 08, I remember him crying big tears that morning before school. I asked him what was wrong and he said he didn’t want to lose me…I thought this was odd and loved on him and gave kisses and sent him to school. That afternoon, I impulsively decided to go to the barn and ride my new horse….you know the rest. WOW!

So now I always listen carefully to what he has to say…(sometimes)he’s a cutie!

Ok, this is ridiculous, lizard men, a cow being picked up into the skies by something? Why is the cow now struggling, when cows or horses are air lifted for whatever reason they always struggle. This cow was calm like it was still grazing in the pastures. My opinion it was edited after being filmed. There is no proof that it was filmed in the 1980’s. Just what the narrarator said. And UFO’s? No one has ever been positive about this. I have travelled ALOT and not once not once have I ever happen to see any objects flying around and I drive through open country alot. I am not looking for anything telling me that Christ is coming back and I am not going to try and say he’ll come now or in the next 100 years. But this article tops all that I have read. And the underground bunkers that I think are being talked about here have to do with the supposed 2012 power outtage for people who want to purchase condos and live their lives down there. My opinion this whole world is going mentally nuts.

You have made me laugh so hard …
Actually several countries have disclosed their files on UFO’s
Britain and the commonwealth countries.
Rome actually waits for a call from E.T.
The cow was filmed in area 51 U.S.
Thanks for laughter … it was good.

If a cow doesn’t know what is happening to it it gets scared, then it struggles (tries to break free or something). You make it sound like if a cow doesn’t know what is going on they are calm. If something or someone was taking you without your consent you would most likely fight. I have worked with enough farm animals to know this.
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Hi Denise … I still find you comical …
Normally, i am very aware that resistance should accompany being abducted … whether experienced by animals or by man.
All accounts of abductions by ‘aliens/demons’ suggests that although fear was present (and terrible fear at that) … the abductees were temporarily disabled and paralyzed thus were not capable of resistance, nor movement.
The accounts all agree … so maybe the cow although mentally anxious could not truly kick around.
And then in the footage there isn’t anything around for her to fight against either.
🙂

The above is in response to this comment:Ok, this is ridiculous, lizard men, a cow being picked up into the skies by something? Why is the cow now struggling, when cows or horses are air lifted for whatever reason they always struggle. This cow was calm like it was still grazing in the pastures. My opinion it was edited after being filmed. There is no proof that it was filmed in the 1980’s. Just what the narrarator said. And UFO’s? No one has ever been positive about this. I have travelled ALOT and not once not once have I ever happen to see any objects flying around and I drive through open country alot. I am not looking for anything telling me that Christ is coming back and I am not going to try and say he’ll come now or in the next 100 years. But this article tops all that I have read. And the underground bunkers that I think are being talked about here have to do with the supposed 2012 power outtage for people who want to purchase condos and live their lives down there. My opinion this whole world is going mentally nuts.

Here is the biggest problem I have with the cow tape, besides it’s lack of authenticity and the fact that I could do the same thing on my Mac with Final Cut Pro.
To any sane filmmaker, the object of interest is not the stupid cow but the ginourmous freaking UFO that is supposedly right above it. So where is the alien spacecraft? Why didn’t he follow the cow all the way up into the mother ship? I’ll tell you why – because it wasn’t there!
Come on people, just use a little god-given common sense here and you will realize you are looking at a hoax. If the guy that made it is reading your blogs right now he’s probably rolling on the floor in laughter.
I’m with you Denise, I won’t let some idiot make a fool out of me, just on the basis of a silly video.
Who else is with us?

I’ve seen many UFOS. The first sighting in 1978 or ’09. Before I saw it, I felt impressed to pray for protection. There were “3” just stationary in the sky. No sound. I was so “FREAKED” all I could do was pray. Then the fear left. I passed in front of them, went home. Wanted to read UFO material but felt restrained by God’s Spirit not to. Yrs later,I bought Whitley Strieber’s books. Began to have more sightings. Saw what looked like a small grey Ufologists refer to. Burned all UFO material. I believe these were Nephilim, rebel angels or other Beings in rebellion against God. Have seen many demons.

Actually, horrible reality described here is only small picture of demonic dimensions – this is the picture of reality as perceived under influence of LSD and similar psychedelics – normal tools of perception are altered and Satan introduces the world according to his view. Of course, you can say that it is all mind games and subjective – but, how much more objective is our own reality – actually, our normal perception of reality is also altered by grace of LORD Jesus Christ – as not to see and witness horrors of the “other side”, imagine that there is nothing beyond our superficial pleasures – only G-d’s love and our trust in Him as the only path to happiness…

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown …
They did this against the Will of God.
A demonic dimension??
The earth is that ”dimension”.
And yes you might see all this because it is written ‘man’s heart shall fail in SEEING what is coming to the earth.’

In Talmud it is written – we see things not the way they are, but the way we are!

When you see “abomination of desolation” – the so-called demonic dimension in which it seems that Satan rules the earth – if you don’t pronounce “Hear O Israel, there is no G-d besides YHVH, YHVH is One!” – you will surely die, G-d forbid! Then let the reader understand – stand in the holy place(=Holy Cross) and flee to the hidden place until mystery of lawlessness and abomination is finished!

There is so much to the book of Joel ‘he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.’ A people with fangs …
Joel tells the people to ‘Lament , howl, weep, awake, fast, cry …
Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders [and] all the inhabitants of the land [into] the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD’

This is nothing that has ever been before and Joel says to tell one generation after the other of the events coming before the day of The Lord.

‘there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it’
Same words Jesus Christ used with Matthew 24 …
‘For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.’

Amo 5:18
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Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.

Yes, flee … to the mountains but I think movement will be hard to do.
What I find so amazing is that people today are mostly asleep and none has warn them! And so I thank Marianne for opening this subject for discussion and I think she is brave to do so.

As for seeing things the way we are … Gavriel can we change what is written? Should we live our lives with our heads in the sand?
Shall we also cry out to the rocks to hide us from the face of Him who Sits on the Throne?
I say no! We are to overcome! We Trust in our Savior …
Meanwhile call a solemn fast and cry out to our God.
Thank you Gavriel for your words.

We cannot change anything – we are challenged with walking in someone else’s shoes – in this case shoes of Jesus Christ (his purpose and role as Messiah son of Joseph – fulfilled 2,000 years ago) – level of Messiah son of Joseph or Suffering Servant is the level that everyone of us can and must achieve…while, level of Messiah son of David is unattainable for us – this is the point where we give up our efforts and trust in G-d that He will fight battles on our behalf and crush Satan’s head and prepares feast out of Leviathan’s meat in the desert for his saints and raises fallen tabernacle of David, prepared from the material of Leviathan’s skin;

nice spiritualistic interpretation of the text. You must read the “make it up s you go along” version of the Bible. Jesus said one of the signs of the end would be when you see the abomination that causes desolation (standing in the Holy place where he ought not to stand) spoken of by the prophet Daniel, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. This means that when the Antichrist invades Israel and comes into the Holy place, where he should not stand, the people of Israel should flee because the armies of the A/C shall rape even pregnant women.

There is no creature or creation made that is above or superior to man. we are created in the image of god himself. that is why there can be no alien that has more intelligence . make no mistake people are seeing things in the spirit realm such as loved ones or aliens what ever your poison is , that is how these demons work. they are ancient beings full of intelligence. this debate should not even be on a christian web site, it is like putting up an asherah pole.

I am catching the end of all of this….the fact remains, as stated in scripture, specifically Genesis and Enoch, that the Angels (sons of God) had children (Nephilim) with human women (daughters of men). Book of Enoch was removed from the old testament because it goes into more detail about this. What we refer to as “Aliens” are most likely in all probability and seems to be the most logical conclusion, the fallen angels. They are still here on the earth, as stated in Enoch, because God took their ability to ascend/use their wings, away from them as their punishment in addition to watching their children die. God made it clear to the Fallen angels thru Enoch that what they did was wrong; God states that he did not make wives for them only for man. Therefore we can also conclude that their are not “female” angels only “male”.

I can only guess, that due to their inability to ascend, that made for themselves another means of transportation…i am laughing as I write this because it does sound absurd, but of course if we believe the Scriptures and this is also in the scriptures regarding the fallen angels then it has to be true-we can’t just choose what is true and isn’t based upon our own personal opinions. So, using the “intelligence” that God gave me, this is what I have come up with…I say this because if God gives man his intelligence…humans…and see how much they have accomplished…how are we to say that the fallen angels don’t have the same if not more intelligence…I am thinking of Einstein at the moment-he was a genius! think of all that he thought of, theorized, created….how can we be so “ignorant” per se to think that Angels-be it Fallen Angels mind you-can’t devise another means of transportation due to their inability ascend. Read the book of Enoch-it explains alot more and in better detail what I am trying to explain here….one thing that comes to mind is that in the Book of Enoch, it talks about the Fallen Angels teaching man how to use ink and paper…the fallen angels revealed alot of the “mysteries” which included the stars and their movements etc….it makes perfect sense for them to be involved whether directly or indirectly in the worldwide phenomenon of “UFOs and crop circles” etc as part of Satan’s deception, distraction etc…

And if I’m wrong then I say what my mom always told me whenever I asked her about UFOs and aliens ….God says “in my house are many mansions”…

I have actually seen one similar to the Czech republic one. They’re even weirder in person. I don’t know if your view of aliens has enough backup from the proper scriptures though. You should check into Bill Schnoebelen as he is a former Ufologist and has a lot of information. The Lizards are only one type and he suggests that the “Aliens” are fallen angels from when the sons of God [Hebrew Bnai Elohim] came down and laid with the daughters of man. Those angels fell. Jude 1:6-7 talks about the angels having intercourse with humans. Gen 6 talks about it. Messiah talks about in the end it will be as it was in the days of Noah as well. You’re starting to hit on some stuff, but maybe keep digging.

Psalm 8
4 what is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
5 You made him a LITTLE LOWER than the heavenly beings
and crowned him with glory and honor.

Hebrew 2
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he (Jesus) too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely (IT IS NOT ANGELS HE HELPS)it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. 17For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted…

*This guy in the above clip from you tube is very confused when he says that WE are the fallen angels….we were made in Gods Image (Genesis) and “made a little lower than the angels” (Psalm and Hebrew).

The prophecy of Joel is actually speaking of the armies of the Antichrist marching out to the valley of Jehoshaphat to meet the kings of the east ( china and other Asian countries ) for the battle of Armageddon. These are modern armies among these are the 10 kings or 10 nations of the 4Th beast gathering for destruction to come against Jesus on the white horse protecting Jerusalem. in Joel chapter 3 vs 1 -2 and vs 12 speak of the sound of these modern armies and all they devour ( use up resources ) to be able to be effective. Joel and John are seeing these in the spirit and have never viewed a modern army or armament and have to convey this to a people 2000 yrs later. rev 16:16 and rev 19:19 and Joel 3:12 . they both use terms like locust and like horses to reference what they never could never have envisioned before there vision from god . REV 7 -11 speaks entirely of angles of god directing physical armies on earth as well as kings and people. If people are seeing aliens and lizard men? 2 men ( the 2 witnesses ) warning the world of the return of Jesus , being killed and coming back too life and ascending to the clouds would not amaze them. i think to many people are hooked on youtube and not the bible and cannot even read or think for themselves.

the plane in the first video looks like aurora , a U.S. plane that has not been released to the public it flies at about 8000 mph. you can look this up. or you can believe that the air force is fake and aliens are real.

video 2 shows people seeing things over military bases. ( what a surprise ) video 3 coast to coast am is for conspiracy theory people who cant believe what is right in front of them . and the 4th video IS to stupid to watch. sorry, but are we going to talk end times or aliens ? do we await Christ or an alien? do we get insight from the Holy Spirit or from aliens ? are we going to be raptured or beamed up ? come on people !

i think the whole alien thing is ridiculous. i have heard stories of when christ comes back that people will actually think that aliens took everyone away. aliens aren’t real, demons are and who knows maybe this is what we see or maybe they are put in place by the government

I see your point, I really do. Now, I don’t believe in ET per se phoning home…and I really can’t say beyond a shadow of a doubt that their are “aliens” but how do you explain it? The only thing I could come up with is in my post above regarding the fallen angels. So….how would you explain this WORLDWIDE phenomenon of unidentified aircraft, crop circles (come on now do you really think a human could have the ability let alone the TIME to do such creative things…do you know how big these circles are? )

And I think you may have just answwered your question……how clever it would be for Satan to devise such a hysteria about UFOs etc so that when Christ returns to take his church….then Satan thru Government/Media can BLAME the UFOs/Aliens…HA! How simply clever….and yes there are many goobers on this planet who would swallow that story hook, line and sinker!

You have made me laugh so hard …
Actually several countries have disclosed their files on UFO’s
Britain and the commonwealth countries.
Rome actually waits for a call from E.T.
The cow was filmed in area 51 U.S.
Thanks for laughter … it was good.

Abigail said this on February 28, 2010 at 8:39 pm | Reply
first off a UFO is an unidentified flying object not alien space craft. 2nd they are always over an restricted air force base because they are mostly experimental and of course countries have files on them because they are unidentified , governments want to know who and what are flying over their air space.

all very interesting but i will not argue. I just simply do not know for a fact if they are real or not real . However it could be very possible that Alien air craft could be real since people from Stevenville , Texas did take videos of something and the Air Force did come out and flew around after they were seen. Seems strange the Air Force would come out and check on their own experimental aircraft if they knew it was in the air. A big waist of money for jet fuel to just buzz some of thier own stuff.

I’m pretty sure that IF the government wanted to make everyone worry about what COULD be out there or keep something secret they would go to any extent to hide it. My brother in law works for the Navy and he says you’d be suprised what the government spends money on, I’m talking in general about the things he’s seen come on the ship.

that is how the air force works . they have divisions in divisions and of course they will check on what the public sees. sometimes they know they are in the area and sometimes they don’t have a clue to the top secret research involved .

Denise, there is no reason to get ugly and defensive. No one is being mean here…..that is fine that you don’t believe in “Aliens”…..and yes, a true Christian can believe….Although, I would make sure it was found in scripture first before going all out. And more importantly, I simply wouldn’t worry myself too much about it either, for as a Christian, aka Child of God, we know that God is in control, period!!!!

Further, Marianne made several references to scripture above that does make of a good arguement in their existence. Remember, with GOD ALL things all possible! Think of this…if you had NEVER seen a Zebra in your life and I tried to describe what one looks like, it would be “hard to believe” wouldn’t it….black/white stripes…4 legs etc….and what about a Giraffe? A rhino (horn coming out of his head) and what about when Elijah was taken up into the sky….”chariot of fire”…Elisha was trying his best to describe what he saw and only had a “chariot” (only familiar thing he had at the time) to describe it…..and now that I think about it…what about the donkey who talked? (28Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?” Numbers 22:28)

God gave the donkey the ability to talk to its owner/Balaam! WOW! I say if a donkey can talk then by the grace of God, who are we to say what He can or cannot do…be it Aliens, dinosaurs, time travel, parting of the Red Sea, you name it!

***Bottom line: don’t dismiss something so quickly just because you don’t understand it-always holdfast and reference the BIBLE as a means of checks and balances. And of course, if you don’t believe that the scriptures are Gods words, well, then, I can’t help you….

I wonder, have there been any sitings of beehives being
wafted up into space along with the cows, only it has
occured to me that it may be God’s intention to prepare for the tribulation, by storing up milk and honey in heaven to be released as sustenance for his faithful during this time?..Or is someone milking the gullibility
of all who believe in U.F.O’s; by that I mean ; Utube’s
Fallacious Offerings ?..and could that someone be the god of this world who controls just about everything in this
world, because all but a few lie in his power ?!
(1 John 5:19)
God’s Word makes it clear that there are indeed aliens in
this world, who beause of what they are, have no part of
this world , and consequently are not recognized by the world, and so are rejected and hated by it.
1 Pet 2:11, John 15:19
These aliens, who do not live in this world, live in Christ, and so walk in light, and those who do not live
in Christ, live in Satan, and so walk in darkness.
It is that simple, and virtually everything produced and
offered by the various medias, emanates from this darkness… Yet it is staggering how much credibility is given to this garbage by believers ! It matters not
how Satan and his demons manifest themselves , and the phenomena they produce, whether real or subjective, as
the only concern for a believer should be their relation-
ship and standing with God, and the security and protection this brings amidst the ferocious demonic
activity we are being subjected to in these last days.
Those who are not of this world and who are secure in Christ, need not be concerned about the Satanic activity
surrounding them, but should be concerned if they are
giving their minds over to material and phenomena, which
serves no other purpose than to distract and undermine
our priority in staying focused on God’s Word alone, which teaches us all we need to know, by means of the
Holy Spirit, and a safeguard against things we do not need to know, which the unholy spirit will be successful in filling our minds with, and wasting our time on, if we are foolish enough to give him the chance !!
So why waste time taking in spurious “knowledge” from
those who walk in darkness as a pretext to understanding
the knowledge of those God caused to walk in light in order to teach us all we will ever need to know, which should result in accurate knowledge of truth and leave
us in no doubt that the pursuit of understanding the
deep things of Satan is nothing more than an affront to
learning the deep things of innocence, which is where, as
believers, our power lies !

Joel and John are addressing the blessings God will bestow upon His people and the consequences for those who do not want to know Him; all within the entirety of scripture, which enables us to objectively observe all
that is going on around us now, and what is to come,from
a vantage point of having understanding, wisdom, and with
an innocent dispostion, only possible by studying the
Word of God. This innocent disposition is not naivity,
but rather a state of awareness which understands the nature of the world whilst remaining apart from it.
It is therefore not necessary to delve into the machinations of Satan, for we know that Satan operates
under many guises to perpetuate his evil, so all we need
to be concerned about is putting on the protective clothing of God’s Word, which will deepen our relationship with Him and thus draw Him closer to us which in turn will act as a safeguard and protection
against Satan’s undermining tactics which includes
drawing us away from the authority of scripture, by
enticing us to give our attention to extraneous issues,
which include looking for signs and wonders of the kind
that do not originate with God, but those which are perpetrated by Satan, who knows how dangerously curious we can be to our own detriment,if we so allow ourselves.
Matt 10:16

Hi Richard,
It is by The Spirit of God that innocence is given.
The Scriptures of Joel and of John are written there for our understanding.
I am not curious at all … I am simply just a clarion.
If you will be in a war with these aliens/demons it is better to be at least forewarned.
I am not afraid of anything nor anyone … My God is my shield.
But you did not as yet provide this forum with an interpretation of scriptures.
It is necessary to know your enemy!

It is only by the Spirit of God that anything Godly can
be received and achieved. Since all scripture is inspired of God for the purpose of understanding His will and purpose and setting all things straight, then we need not look beyond scripture to understand all that God wants us to know. 2 Tim 3:16
Because we need to know about our enemy, Satan, God has gone to great lengths to leave us in no doubt as to
the extent of his evil nature and purpose, so there can be no excuses for anyone who should allow themselves to be taken in by him. However, knowing this reality of the
enemy, God does not expect us to log it’s every movement
and decode the intricacies of it’s deceptive operations,
but how Satan would have us waste time and energy on
him in this way, for reasons which should be obvious.

Neither was Yorkshire pudding mentioned in the Bible,but
this is not surprising as both did not come into being
until circa. 1800 !..and I think we can safely assume that the Bible was not intended to be encyclopedic.
Having said that, we all know that the Bible gives a
comprehensive account of Satan and his capabilities,so we
have to accept, in view of the scope God has allowed him,
that he will use his power to produce phenomena and
manifestations that are going to give many reason to
believe that God has not revealed everything they think
we should know. I personally believe that God’s creative work, as far as life is concerned, did not extend beyond what is documented in scripture, so anything observed beyond this, i.e aliens, are demonic manifestations in my opinion, including U.F.O’s, flying saucers, swimming
tea-cups; and the minds of those who would have you believe that reptilian newsreaders have tongues which extend far enough from their mouths to rap itself around the nearest cameraman, while their eyes roll up and down and inside out; and that the first lady of America beautifies herself in a pool of mud while the Queen of
England takes her shower in an aquarium; etc, etc..where
does it end ?! It is truly pathetic and nothing less than the distracting work of Satan..so let’s just let him get on with it all, as I think we have better and more noble things to do, don’t you ?! (sorry, I do not have
smiley icons, but really is it a laughing matter ?!)

I do agree with you Richard…however, I guess due to my curiousity (thanks to grandma Eve..ha!) and others as well, we want to know what is out there and why.

I do think often, and I hope its not a bad thing for me to wonder or ask, but WHY would God create Satan knowing what he would do and all the mess he would cause? I know what God said to Job when he questioned Him and I’m not trying to be disrespectful or anything like that. Hasn’t anyone else wondered this?

God is ALL KNOWING….He is the Alpha and Omega…beginning and the end…He has already told us what happens at the end so obviously he knew what would happen…does it simply all come down to “choice”? Is it that simple?

And since God did create Angels as well as us, then what makes us think he didn’t make another species of some kind on another planet. Do we really think we are the only ones out here in this ENORMOUS universe….that would be a waste of alot of space, no pun intended, don’t you think?

I just remember as a little girl I would think of these things and wonder about them. I know my questions will be answered one day by God himself….in the meantime, I still wonder and ask the questions.

Thanks, and I’m sure we can all agree that we are all curious,
inquisitive and covetous of knowledge, by nature. Covetousness
is the root of all sin, since it was this sentiment that caused a once perfect angel to dare to think that he should be entitled
to Heavenly glory beyond the bounds God set for him, and knowing
this claim could never be legitimately granted, resorted to all
things illegitimate to achieve the level of glory he thought he
was entitled to. So he transformed his perfect loving and pure nature into the antithesis of all that God’s nature represents;
the very image in which he was made. So his nature was to become
pure evil, and he went on to persuade one third of the angelic
host to follow him. So he achieved the glory he coveted, albeit
negative glory, since he knows what the end result is to be !
This fall from grace is beyond our comprehension, but neverthe-
less it is real, as we all know too well the extent of evil which has beset mankind on account of him. And his reason for being is to usurp God’s authority and glory by leading as many as
possible to destruction, by whatever means possible..everything
in contrast to what God wants for us..and God allows him to do this!! And if we have difficulty in understanding why God has permitted evil and it’s resulting effects of suffering, injustice and death to continue for so long, then we must accept that His reasons for doing so are perfect and just, even though the magnitude of these things overwhelm us at times. His day of justice is soon to be!!

So,knowing the extent of Satan’s evil and his resolve to destroy all that is Godly, we should have no difficulty in understanding
his need to transform himself into an angel of light, and to
produce every lying sign and wonder in order to achieve his
purpose….(2 Cor 11:14)…2 Thes 2:8-11
So, in order for him to successfully deceive, he WILL appear to
be like God, and will”speak” with authority like God., and his
greatest weapon is KNOWLEDGE. But it is FAKE knowledge, and these
lies presume to “know” more than the knowledge God considers
sufficient for us to have..and it all started in the Garden where
he promised Eve greater knowledge and understanding than what
God promised her, and we all know the consequences of this!……
and he has continued in the same vein ever since, right up to the
present day, by means of his highly trained and willing henchman;
Theologians and Scientists (not Marianne and a few others !).
(can’t go into this here).

God warns us not to add to, or subtract from his word, yet this
simple command is continually being violated by those who set
out to determine the “day” of our Lord’s return, despite Jesus
declaring that he, himself, does NOT know, but only the Father.
This creates confusion and undermines confidence in the efficacy
of the Holy Spirit, since how can there be so many different
views on this, when those who perpetrate them, claim to be guided
by the Spirit ? There can be no division in truth, so 1 or 0 can
be right. This is farcical and will often lead to complacency
if one is led to believe that “the end” is far off, but more
importantly it lulls us into believing Satan’s claim that we can presume to know more than our Lord, in this case, resulting in
an obvious consequence for being deceived..and this is exactly
what Satan wants, when all we have to do is accept the simple
truth of scripture, and that is;

13″Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. Matt 25:13

Then we will truly be ready due to our expectancy, which will act
as a safeguard against complacency and all the consequences this
brings. Naturally, we will be mindful of the signs Jesus told us
to look for, but a step beyond this will take us into Satan’s
realm of endless debate and pointless speculation.

Since we are all curious by nature, it is vital as far as scripture is concerned, that we do not overstep the mark and seek
after knowledge which God has chosen not to reveal to us at this
time. If God has created other life forms and other universes,
and wanted us to know about these things, then He would have
told us. Since he has not, what gives us the right to presume
to think that we should know. Again this presumptious and covetous
attitude is of Satan, and his henchman appear to be doing a very
good job in convincing many that they are entitled to knowledge
that God considered unnecessary at this time, if at all !!
So to satisfy the Eve’ly curiosity, he produces all the phenomena they could ever wish for, to make God appear to be the withholder of vital knowledge which they consider themselves entitled to, by providing manifestations and subjective experinces, which HAVE TO BE convincing to be credible !! There is nothing we need to know
beyond what is in scripture, and God will bless all who do not
seek signs and wonders as a means of acquiring faith, as faith
is built on the solid Word of God only.

Satan will try to convince us that God is going to consign the
wicked to eternal hellfire and torment, by convincing a willing
subject that he spent a few hours in hell, just so that we can
be sure that a perfect,loving, merciful and just God is going
to torture the majority of all who ever lived for trillions x
trillions x triilions of eons, ad infintum, without let up, when
scripture clearly teaches otherwise. But Satan knows this is
the very lie that will turn most away from God, because they
simply cannot reconcile a loving God to an evil act of mercilessness punishment, and would you believe, this teaching
originted with a merciless bunch of evil slaughterers, in the name
of God, of course !

We know that Satan has a short time left to complete his “work”,
and so it should not come as a surprise that he is going to take
full advantage of media technology, particularly the internet.
I have been on the internet for just over a year and am still
coming to terms with the plethora of information available, and
the ease in which it can be accessed. We must appreciate the
benefits it offers, but also be accutely aware that Satan as ever,
will always place himself as “chief executive” over all things which originate with the world. Because of this I believe that
representation of truth is minimal, so considerable discernment
should be exercised in contrast to rash acceptance, knowing just
how convincing Satan is, and needs to be in these last days,
in order to spite God right to the end. Conversely, I believe
those who seek the truth and God with a pure heart will be protected against Satan’s resolve to deceive, when using these resources, but there has never been and never will be any
substitute for gaining understanding other than the “Word of
God” itself, as it is only by means of the Spirit can we be convicted of truth, and the Spirit will only go where God sends
it, and I just can’t get away from the idea that God would prefer to send His Spirit to bear light on a B-page as opposed to an
e-page !!

To get things in perspective, there are many millions of people in
the world today, who because of circumstances, are not able to
apply themselves to the things of God, even though they may believe in His existence. God in his mercy will make allowances
for such ones, as they are the true victims of Satan’s wicked world. For all who are able to respond to the Word of God when
presented with it, have a simple choice to make; Yes or No to
God. It has to be a simple choice, because that is the way God
made it so right from the beginning. Satan had this choice and
so did the first pair. The simple choice they made was the wrong
one, and God has made it clear that the wrong choice will result
in death. Many will say that we are not in a position to make
an unbised choice, since we are sinful by nature, whereas the
others weren’t. Well, in that case it must be impossible for
God to judge us, since we cannot be held accountable for making
a predetermined wrong choice ? But God IS going to judge all
through Jesus, and God is perfect in His justice, so for each and
every decision to be fair, accountability must be the prerequis-
ite. Some will then say that, as we are sinners by nature, why
should we be punished for doing what comes naturally ?
Well the truth is, we will always have the sinful nature in this
life, but accountability was restored the moment Jesus breathed
his last. His atoning sacrifice restored the capacity for us all
to make THE SIMPLE RIGHT CHOICE, despite the raging sin within us,
and by means of God’s Spirit , after having made this choice, we
will learn to live according to the flesh less ,and live according to the spirit more, but we will stumble from time to time, and
Jesus knows this so he will be waiting to pick us up, but we
must ask to be picked up through repentance, to remind us to fall
less, but in the end, salvation has, and always will rest on ONE
SIMPLE DECISION.

So lets rebuke the one who perverts the simplicity of God’s word;
the one who is going to delight in taking our unbelieving loved
ones to the pit with him, even though they are able to make the simple choice; the one reponsible for the incomprehensible
suffering and injustice since the world began; the one who had
spears thrust into Jesus just to make sure that he was dead;
the one who knows nothing other than pure evil; the one, who at
one time knew nothing other than pure love; and because of this, he is THE ONE who defies all understanding, yet he is the one
most have chosen to follow, and this makes no sense..only God
knows why, and perhaps we will understand in time, but at the moment we must have faith and accept it is all down to Y or N.
It’s as simple as that because God has made it so !!

It definitely looks like a U.F.O to me, and lets assume that
there are 1000’s of such occurrences around the world every
day; and lets assume that with the technology we have, someone
will get close enough to determine the constitution of these
objects; and lets assume that once determined that there is
no doubt that they are not of this world; thus there can only
be two possible sources of origin; a good source or a bad one.
Let’s assume that this good source includes other life forms
created by God elsewhere, and that the bad source includes
life forms created by God, but have fallen, and of course Satan.
Lets assume that if these objects are “good”, their activity will
will be in accord with the boundaries of operation God has set
for them, and that there is a positive reason for us being able to
see them; then we can be sure that we will all get along just fine
. We can continue to read our bibles with complete peace of mind
and patiently await God’s revelation of these things.
If these objects should be “bad”; they ARE under God’s providence
whatever the purpose of their activity; so don’t you think that
it is a complete waste of time delving into matters that we have no control over, whatsoever; knowing that God will protect his
faithful from evil whatever the sources ?! If it should prove
that these objects are “bad” then they have done an excellent
job in fueling covetousness for knowledge that can only serve
to engage us in endless hours of debate and speculation, providing no spiritual benefits whatsoever; at the expense of coveting knowledge that is truly beneficial; and will serve to keep all
things in perspective. It is my belief that all who have the
time to delve in to these things, will be compromising the necessity to increase our knowledge of the things God wants us to know about, for which there can never be enough hours in the day!!

Firstly Richard,
Pertaining to the things of God … these 3 gifts are from God, that is wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
Since you are fix on knowledge and ‘coveting knowledge’ I will try my best to narrow my conversation with you on that specific topic.
We cannot of ourselves ‘will an increase of knowledge’. Like I say it is a gift from God.
Let us say that these UFO’s are from 2 groups.
One of these groups are earthbound and maybe the other group can escape or come to our earth.
Let us say that the ones who are earth/sea bound are evil.
And let us say that the outerspace ones are good.
Sounds to me like a good cowboy movie … the good, the evil and the ugly. 🙂

I am just having fun with you …

Anyways these may very well be the fallen angels/sons of God.
We know that there is a war in Heaven which occurs and that Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth.
At what point does that occur? Past, or future?
We need not spend hours deliberating but it is a good thing to be aware that these occurrences (UFO’S sightings) are on the increase in all nations.
What does it all mean?
Some people have actually witnessed ‘some sort of weaponry fire exchanged’ between some UFO’s.
Since the transportation crafts of these ‘aliens’ is far more advanced then humans’
who knows what other capabilities these have.
Look at that poor cow.
You know Richard that war ‘was taught’ to man by fallen angels.
Wonder what they eat? Maybe they drink blood as we drink water?

Firstly, we need to clarify a few things. Wisdom is the correct
application of understanding gained from knowledge acquired.
Since we are addressing Godly matters, wisdom is a gift from God,
by means of His Spirit,as a result of being convicted of understanding of truth from His Word. We are commanded to be diligent in study of God’s Word in order to be blessed with wisdom. There are no short cuts; our wisdom and understanding are proportionate to our diligence in study. This knowledge which leads to wisdom is to be coveted above all other knowledge, as I have previously said.

2). We know that the fallen angels, “Sons of God”, who took on
human form, (Nephilim) are bound in a spiritual realm known as
Tartarus awaiting judgment (incorrectly translated as Hell in most
versions) 1 Peter 3:18-22…2Pet 2:4-5,9….Jude 6
So their activity has been quelled. And we know that the Nephlilim
and their off-spring were destroyed in the flood, thus no D.N.A
to pass on. From this, it is unlikely that God will allow fallen
angels to replicate what He once allowed (incl.Lot), as He has
administered a specific punishment.
We know that fallen angels(demons) have always had access to earth
(as Jesus cast them out) but Rev 12:7-9 tells us that Satan and
his angels are cast out of heaven, so their domain will be exclusively earth. I believe this happened in 1908 in TUNGUSKA,
Siberia. I will not even attempt to expound on this here, suffice
to say, anyone who researches the “Tunguska Phenomenon” from a
biblical standpoint,will be hard pushed to come up with an alternative explanation. Scientists to this day have not been
able to explain it from their rationale. Eye witness reports fit
perfectly with Satan’s shape (cylindrical (blue light) as described in scripture. Europe experienced weeks of 24 hr daylight
afterwards, which was believed to be emanating from the demons.
There is just too much data to mention here, but I have researched
this thoroughly and I see no reason to doubt that this is the
fulfillment of Rev., but am open to alternative explanations.

Then shortly afterwards we had the First World War, which was to
change the face of the world as this heralded in Satan’s reign exclusively over the earth, and we all know the consequences of this !!
I believe that the cylindrical U.F.O.’s ? are demons, but please
be careful who you tell..keep it from the kids please !!
There are YouTube presntations on this which mentions all the relevent phenomena and scriptures, but I do not want to provide links here, as there are some without sufficient faith to handle this. Do not let your kids see the videos featuring two pronged
cylindrical manifetations as these truly are demons !!

So Abigail et al, when these manifestations becone more rife, your
curiosity should be well satisfied , but please remenber we will
need collosal faith to deal with the things we are gong to witness
,so lets build up this faith by more looking down on God’s word
and less looking up at demonic activity, because we all know that
such events are out of our control, but our faith strengthening
realtionship with God is completely in our hands. Yes the universe
will be our oyster one day, but this is not the time to know about
such things, so lets patiently wait for God to reveal the things
he wants us to know, when e wants us know, under the conditions
he wants us to know, as we will have eternity on our side, so
why the hurry now !!!
Yes, I am sorry about the cow..I felt quite moo-ved when I saw
the video the udder day.. Cow hould someone do such a thing ?..
but one things for sure; it definitely wasn’t Americans, as it
appears that the abductees do not like milk shake !!

Finally, if a man with scaly skin should come up to you, with what appears to be a glass of red wine, then pray, and tell him to
take the fast lane on the Mississippi River, or whatever your
principal river is !! And then take a glass of water to recover
from the dehydrating experience !!

‘Finally, if a man with scaly skin should come up to you, with what appears to be a glass of red wine, then pray, and tell him to
take the fast lane on the Mississippi River, or whatever your
principal river is !! And then take a glass of water to recover
from the dehydrating experience !!’

(9) The combination of the butterfly shape of the area with the general radial pattern of fallen forest suggests that the Tunguska body consisted of two different parts-an explosive, and a non-uniform shell that gave rise to peculiarities in the blast-wave shape. LINK: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1726.htm

And was thinking the same thing as stated below by Isaac Asimov/

‘Was it a meteorite…that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them with a fire from heaven? …It did enormous damage (Siberian Explosion), for it fell in a forest and knocked down every tree for scores of miles in every direction…if that fall had taken place anywhere in the ocean, tsunamis (tidal waves) would have washed nearer shores and done much damage…if the fall would have taken place there (permanent ice), cause slippage of large quantities of ice into the ocean, bringing about catastrophic changes in Earth’s sea level and climate…if the fall had taken place there (populated areas)…millions of people would have been killed…The fall would have completely wiped out any city it struck. Perhaps not more than 5% of the surface of the Earth could have received that 1908 blow without any damage at all being done to human life and property…consider that the fall managed to find a 1 in 20 place where it would do no damage, almost as though someone was humanely trying to avoid…’

– Isaac Asimov

However, your theory of Satan’s fall being in 1908 conflicts with the following scripture found in Luke 10: 17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

18He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

*Demons were already here on the earth when Jesus arrived/started his ministry, so for Satan to fall and to bring a 1/3 of the Angels with him, it would have had to be prior to when Jesus spoke these words…I wasn’t looking for it, just stumbled upon it when looking for the description of Satan’s fall.

There is a plethora of information on this, which will take
a great deal of time to digest. You have no doubt seen the
scientific view. I will give you the relevant links a.s.a.p
if you wish, but continue looking in the meantime,and you will
find that the scientific explanation does not add up.
The verse in Luke was prophetic; and consider the sequence of events in Rev. Demons have always had access to earth as I
stated; “Jesus cast them out”; but they no longer had access to
heaven from the time they were cast out as stated in Rev.
They are now confined to the vicinity of the earth since their
expulsion from heaven in 1908, I believe.

” I am sorry about the cow..I felt quite moo-ved ….if a man with scaly skin should come up to you, with what appears to be a glass of red wine, then pray, and tell him to
take the fast lane on the Mississippi River, or whatever your
principal river is !!”

Hope you are o.k. ! Thanks for your tactful assessment of
my humour(?), but we all know it is “sad”, really. Now you’ve
HERD the one about; “twenty cows will be grazing in the field,
and one will be taken”; well, this usually gets people in
RAPTURES, particularly a cow ! I’d be happy if I moo for
sure that it was taken to pastures new, to graze for evermore in the Milky Way, as it did CHURN me up when I first saw it, but I’m feeling BUTTER now,and I don’t think it is good to bottle it up,as it gets stuck, so there’s no PINT in elaborating.
Cowever, did you notice how ready and steady the camera was to take the moovie (with no milk shake); and how the cow disaappeared into a pool of milk. You can watch this Mootube clip until the cows come home(except 1) and not be able to milk up your mind, but ones thing is certain; whoever wrote this has definitely got sad cows disease, and needs to be assigned to the
——– yard, immediately, so no need to reply !!

My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.
“Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also reject you as my priests;
because you have ignored the law of your God,
I also will ignore your children. Hosea 4:6

I have no idea where this film was filmed. I found it strange. In the underground passage are several pictures. Does any one of those look familiar to you?
And i made a mistake … it is between 1:40 to 3:00 thereabouts.
I will take another look at their eyes …

After another look … you might be right … these demonic wall paintings may be Italian.
Maybe i’ve seen them before in some catholic library … they used to have quite an assortment of demonic/witchcraft books.
I find this disturbing …

We here believe that due to the total lack of foreign debris and radioactive residue and the extreme power released it can not be a simple nuclear explosion but rather a much more powerful anti-matter explosion. This non-radioactive propulsion system is the most likely method being used by alien visitors to our solar system. We all agree they are out there and it would take far less fuel to achieve inter-galactic travel, so the odds are that this is what happened over Siberia in 1908.

Please pray before watching these,and do not allow children
to see them. This is just a sample to illustrate the form
of the “fallen angel”; there are many more. This is the real
thing so be mindful of what you are taking in ! God bless.

After having posted the above, I have just noticed that you too
had posted the “same”. I’m not sure how I missed these, but am
pleased that you have, because I think discernment should tell
us that what we see in these clips is bona-fide phenomena.
Thanks, and I think we both know what it all means !!

“Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone
was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy TABRETS and of thy PIPES was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created”
Ezek 28:13 see also 14-18

A TABRET is a cylindrical or drum shaped object depending on it’s dimensions. The wider and shorter it is the more
drum-like it will be, and conversely ,the more narrower and
longer it is ,it will be cylindrical. This scripture is describing
Satan’s form as he would appear in heaven. He is a constitution of
TABRETS and PIPES. WE know that God said “let US make man in
our image and LIKENESS” (Gen 1:26-27), so God was involving the
heavenly host through Jesus in his creation of man. If we liken
the human constitution to a combination of TABRETS and PIPES;i.e
The head a small drum, the torso a larger drum with the arms and
legs being like pipes, we can see that there is a degree of resemblance between the heavenly “shape” and the human “shape”.
However we need to determine what Satan and his angels are likely
to look like to the human eye, when God makes this possible, and
I believe that he has, albeit to a minimal degree at this time.
So, what could we expect Satan or one of his angels to look like?
Similar to the human shape!! We know he is called Lucifer in some
versions, and this means burning or shining like a star.
If we combine his “shape” with his “persona” then we would expect
to see something like a fiery human-like figure, but of course less distinct due to the dynamics created by the movement of fire.
It is my belief that what we are witnessing on video now, is
the representation of this form of Satan and his angels.
You will notice the torso and upper body to the head as TABRETS with the PIPES being the legs. In one particular video the arms
(PIPES) are distinguishable, but unless we are able to see these
images from all sides, definition will be obscure, and let’s not
forget that we are looking at a fiery image. However, I believe
that these manifestations will increase as we move into the
tribulation, so I would expect a vast catalogue of video footage
to emerge, to leave us in no doubt that what we are witnessing, is
in fact ,strategic activity of Satan and his angels, for what
purposes we cannot be sure at the moment.
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:12

This confirms Satan’s expulsion from heaven and the Ezek. scriptures above describe the nature of his adornment whilst in
heaven, with every precious stone. When he was cast down to
earth at Tunguska, these precious stones were dispersed throughout
the area. Tunguska is renowned for it’s unusually high content of minerals particularly diamonds.

This is an eye witness account of the Tunguska event:-

In the village of Nizhne-Karelinsk in the northwest high above the horizon, the peasants saw a body shining very brightly -(too bright for the naked eye) with a bluish white light. It moved vertically down-wards for about ten minutes. The body was in the form of a ‘pipe’ (i.e. cylindrical). The sky was cloudless, except that low down on the horizon in the direction in which this glowing body was observed, a small dark cloud was noticed. It was hot and dry and when the shining body approached the ground it seemed to be pulverized and in its place a huge cloud of black smoke was formed and a loud crash, not like thunder, but as if from the fall of large stones, or from gunfire, was heard. All the buildings shook and at the same time, a forked tongue of flame broke through the cloud. The old women wept, everyone thought that the end of the world was approaching.’

This is just one of many eye-witness accounts which confirms the
scriptural account of Satan’s “form”, and it is my belief that
the explosion witnessed by many, was the dispersion of the
minerals which this once perfect “chief cherub”, was adorned with
as he was one of the most beautiful of all God’s creations, but is now the personification of pure evil and ugliness.

I urge all to thoroughly research the Tunguska Event, and be sure
that it is the fulfillment of prophecy, as this is the result of
the greatest war that Heaven will ever know; a war of magnitude
we cannot comprehend; a war which started in heaven and finished
on earth; an event that COULD NOT have gone unnoticed by mankind,
and it didn’t; but God in His mercy chose a place where human
life would be spared; where only a few were to witness it; and considering that this event brought together all ” the forces of nature” on a sale never before known to the world; we have to
marvel at God’s ability to conceal these things from the wise
and learned and reveal them to babes !! And believe me there
arn’t too many who know about this; which in our enlightened
world, defies understanding; so thank you LORD !! Amen.

In honesty, I am so frustrated with all of this. WHY, WHY did G-d create satan if HE KNEW this was all going to happen! Why didn’t he send him to one of his many other planets! Why Earth! Why the choices, free will etc….WHY!!!!!!!!!! Why did we have to go thru all of this to make a choice between G-d and one of His creations that turned evil. I LOVE G-d! with all my heart and soul-and I choose HIM! But I look at these starving children all over the world, these animals that are so mistreated….the wars, the famines, the plaques….It is mindboggling AND THEN to top it all off, after the 1000yrs we have to go thru this AGAIN!!!!!!

I don’t mean to come across as being disrespectful; I know G-D is reading my words before I even write them (LOL). I have been in His presence (experienced I know just a “tiny” part of Him in the entire scheme of things) and His glorious Holy Spirit lives inside of me…prays in whatever language of his choosing of which I could never have learned if my life depended on it….but we can debate, theorize, study, argue all day long but are we all avoiding this one very important question? WHY?

Is anyone else just as frustrated as I am?

*God, I do appreciate your protection over us and your love and your Angels (the good ones)…Psalm 91-I just needed to get this off my chest.

It is because you are with the Lord that you feel as you do !
The truth is, we are ALIENS in this world. This is our prison !
I can assure you, including myself, that all who love the LORD want out of this world A.S.A.P !! This is not being selfish, as the fact remains we are not of this world. We are like lambs for
the slaughter,as our savior Jesus was, but like him, we are to
have our lights shine in this world, so that it can be seen by
the world, that the creator of the world can never be defeated.
He demonstrates His power and majesty through us, as a witness
to Satan and the unbelieving world, that no one can be excused
for rejecting Him. But why ? Well lets put it in perspective.
If you are alive for eternity all but for 70 years in prison,
then how long is 70 years ? The wonderful thing is that we do
our service first and the rest is pure reward !!
What a fair God..and the food could be worse ! Our LORD is perfect and just in all His ways and all we need to do is to learn
to believe it, but the flesh alas gets in the way…but that flesh
we will leave behind the moment He turns the key and sets us free!

So hang on as it won’t be long.In the meantime let’s do all we can
to bring as many to the LORD as possible, because just one saved
soul on our account, should bring us enough joy to overshadow
the trials and tribulations of this life !

Thank you so much Richard! I cried reading your words. I do love G-D so very much. But He did give me a brain to use and this is what I came up with when processing all of this given information starting with scripture. I have known G-D as long as I can remember. My thoughts have been of Him everyday of my life (I am 42). Knowing my personal situation, I see How he has orchestrated everything and it is amazing. I guess researching the Tunguska Phenomenon really hit something within me. But I’ll tell you this, after posting the above I went outside to “cool” off and was thinking to myself-talking to G-D-“And why did you have to use so many parables in the Bible, why not just say what you mean without all the “days meaning hours etc…” and then I heard Him say ” so as to confuse satan-to keep him from understanding”-I know this came from Him because I would have never thought of it-especially being so upset as I was…that was KOOL! 🙂

Glad you are feeling better, but we all gain from sharing
and giving; it is a necessary cycle when we all have our
thorns in the flesh to deal with. And believe me we all have
them, but not always in the same place ;and I must tell you
that a day does not go by without me asking God why He has
chosen to allow the world to go for so long, for the reasons
you gave. But he is always right, so we just accept until
the day He gives us the answers, and continue to remind
ourselves that He will give understanding to each of us at
the right time…and what you say about Satan makes sense,
since we need the Holy Spirit to understand the words, and
if everything was written as self-evident, then God could not
hide the truth from the undeserving and wrong hearted, as He
would not be able to offer it as a gift to those who deserve
it. And that is what God is all about; perfect love and justice.

P.S Let’s never underestimate God’s fairness. It is a fact
that most who have ever lived, would have rejected God under
perfect circumstances. If the world were filled now with all
who had ever lived, then those, the minority, who love God
would be the recipients of injustice. God is the rewarder of
those who earnestly seek him, that is why we are able to look
on at what we think is unjust,but let’s never forget that God
will always have his hand on those who seek him, regardless
of their circumstances and the evil and injustice around them.
Was it just that God had children die in the flood ? If we
dare to say no, then we are calling God a murderer. If we say
yes, we will have to explain why God would take the life of
anyone who had not reached what we think is an age of accountability. The truth is He knew that if these children lived to a 1000, they would never have chosen him…and the same goes
for the majority of the suffering world since it began.
So why have so many come into the world destined to suffer and
never be saved ? God gave us freedom to procreate, but not too
many have ever been fit to have children..just like the days of
Noah !! There is no such thing as injustice in a world created
by a perfectly just God. Justice will reign for all who deserve
it, and all genuine injustices will be be wiped out…all will
be perfect in the end….and it won’t b too long !

Thank you so much Richard! You have helped a great deal..I think I will heed your advice on “eyes down” because I find myself getting “out of sorts” if I stray too far from Him. I can’t help but think of his conversation with Job “40:1 Moreover Jehovah answered Job, and said,

40:2 Shall he that cavilleth contend with the Almighty?
He that argueth with God, let him answer it.

40:3 Then Job answered Jehovah, and said,

40:4 Behold, I am of small account; What shall I answer thee?
I lay my hand upon my mouth.
40:5 Once have I spoken, and I will not answer;
Yea, twice, but I will proceed no further.

40:6 Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man:
I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

My question goes deeper than that. I do appreciate your effort in trying to explain. I can’t help the way that I feel. I have read so much these past 6 weeks, since my father died, and it can be disconcerting to say the least on the amount of differing opinions etc.

I am going all the way back to the beginning-actually before that. G-D is all knowing-we have established this. It is in the scriptutes that have been given to us by man thru His Holy spirit. So that leaves the basic question of why create an angel, no matter how lovely, if you knew he was going to challenge you and ultimately be cast out onto a planet called Earth to spread his deceit, confusion and evil. Why not cast him to another remote planet somewhere out of our solar system so as not to bother or affect Adam and Eve who were made in G-D’s image. THEN there would not have ever been starvation, wars, famine etc….

Please forgive me if am too blunt. I am a “call it like it is” type person. And regarding the comment “we cannot come into God’s presence until we are tested and proven faithful.” I wrote “(experienced I know just a “tiny” part of Him in the entire scheme of things)”.

This is my feeble answer. Satan should not have fallen, but he did. He stood in God’s glory and love and rejected it. How could anyone do that? So he had his chance.

But satan’s fall does not mean that we have to fall also. WE do not need to listen to him, submit to him, or cooperate with him.

he could have fallen alone, and been cast out forever.

But man did listen to him, submit to him, or cooperate with him, or his own free will, which was given to him so that he could freely, without coercion, worship God in love. Man in stead chose to worship God’s enemy instead.

Satan did not twist the arms of Adam and Eve. They cooperated with him.

So if God could have NOT bothered to create satan, he could have also NOT bothered to create us also.

Then there would not be anyone……at all…..

So, God foresaw all this and had a plan from the beginning. His name was Jesus. Jesus would come and redeem mankind from his sinful nature, and restore him to the Father.

So why redeem man and not satan?

Satan knew the Father and stood in his presence. he never had any problems with suffering as we do. No limitations as we have. His life was full of joy and happiness, and holiness. but he rejected it anyhow.

God knows that we are in a fallen world that WE created for ourselves by cooperating with satan. he knows the suffering but allows it, to make us aware that this is existence without Him. So we did not, for a long time before Jesus came, know anything but this earth.

God is more tolerant of us, because we are so ignorant, not knowing much, like Satan was.

As Jesus portrayed heaven to us, we then compare what Jesus has and what this world has. We are led to choose Jesus and Heaven, because we see that this is where true happiness is.

Hope you are well………. What Marianne said about Satan’s fall, free will and God’s reasons
for allowing sin to enter the world, was clearly
and expressly stated in accord with scripture.
Your accusation that Marianne uttered “A LIE”,
when in fact she made a clear statement of truth
is concerning, since we know that Satan was once
a perfect angel, which includes the absence of
envy, before his fall !…………God bless !

Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Notice … ‘He was a murderer from the beginning?’

And ‘there is no truth in him’?

Satan envies the Throne of God.
Satan desires to be worshipped as god.
Satan was never an angel of light.
He is full of darkness and although he has some power like transforming himself into an angel of light … his power is in the decievership of his nature.

The scriptures says that ‘the spirit lusts to envy’.

Now what I wrote was not an insult to Marianne …
I wished to correct the words she used.
And the manner that Marianne had written them.
It was corrected and why are YOU accusing me?

Well…..being that I wasn’t there …Ha! (in a good mooooo-d)…I think that it would stand to reason that G-D would NOT have created a “sinful” creature….BUT, due to the creatures’ (angelic being/cherub) beauty and free will….. According to this link I came across which references scripture…”…you (Satan) sinned (Your heart became proud). So I (God) drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones….Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth *(in 1908 in Tungruska Sibera…this is for you Richard)*LOL;(Ezek 28.16b-17)”

And I think that he sinned BEFORE he was cast out….

“Ezekiel 28.15 clearly states that Satan was NOT created evil. Rather, when God created Satan, God gave him the ability to make moral choices….As you shall see in Part Two of this essay, it was Satan’s OWN choice to rebel against God (http://www.biblebell.org/angels/satan1.html) “

Lyndsey, Everything you
say is of course true.
My question was phrased
and intended for Abigail,
but did not appear below
her comment as intended.
However, what you wrote is
good reading, and it is
always good to reiforce
understanding.
God bless.

Last night, I apologized to G-D for asking these questions and told Him it was none of my business and that it was beyond my understanding….then He gave this example-A parent has a child (G-D created Satan); the child can be disobedient, no matter how much the parent corrects the child, the child has a mind of his own (Satan rebelled) and then He said “My grace was sufficient”.

That was amazing. Short and Sweet; as He has always often communicated with me as.

Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Hold on and hold dear these words.
Do not despair … The Lord is Faithful!

He gave all free will … and He called Heaven and Earth to witness …
‘Choose life that you may live’.
And the light was the life of man but darkness comprehended it not!

Blessings to you …
I have found in my life that when I am weak I pray that God give another Strength and because to give is to receive I thereby get strengthen from His Hand.
When I call out for mercy for another I receive mercy.
When I think someone else deserves to be forgiven because they have broken my heart … I ask to be forgiven for my broken heart.
Often times I have cried to God to forgive me my loneliness and every time He reminds me of who it is that dwells in me.
That is The Power of God …
What we forgive on this earth is forgiven in Heaven.

Yes we have ‘but a little strength’ … but Heaven rescues by adding ITS Strength …
To him who has more will be given.

And also to him who has not, even that which he has will be taken away.
Profound is My Father …
Who can measure??

Richard … in a previous comment I specifically asked you … ‘We know that there is a war in Heaven which occurs and that Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth.
At what point does that occur? Past, or future?’

To which i think you’ve replied ‘1908 Tunguska’.
And everyone has had fun with your reply.

Now for more seriousness …
Revelation 12: 7 ‘And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.’

Now this seems to be a real war … between 2 groups … 1-The Holy Angels and
2- the unholy angels.
And The Holy Angels win … because of the verse says so ‘And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.’

But what to do with the preceding verse of this war if 1908 was that war?
Because Rev. 12: 6 says … ‘And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.’
I don’t seem to remember this verse in the history books as being fulfilled.

And then what would you do with this verse … ‘And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].’

My conclusion on your theory that this war has occurred in 1908 … is this …
False!

But you should prepare … for the Heavenly War is still for the future.

Now concerning your question: ‘Do you believe that Satan was made
sinless and remained as such until
he rebelled ?’

My answer … ‘And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.’

“Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.” Rev 12:6

You could consider the “woman” to be the nation of Israel, and the dispersing of “it” into the “wilderness” from A.D 68…..Well documented in the history books !

“And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”….Rev 12:13

Hitler officially started his anti-semitic campaign when
he came into political office in 1919. Satan knew that
he could use such a willing disciple and we all know
how he succeeded by instigating the slaughter of six
million Jews, which was to be the greatest genocide inflicted on the “woman”. We also know that Hitler was
secretly supported by virtually every nation,including
many factions of Christendom, since the world has always
been anti-semitic,because it belongs to Satan. Since this
is the greatest persecution the “woman” will ever know,
do you not think that it would be recorded in scripture ?
Well it has, in the above verse, and of course in the
history books !
For those who expect a 7 year tribulation and a “rapture”
to occur at some point, before or within this period, have fallen prey to one of Satan’s greatest deceptions.
Most believe that the tribulation has not started, so
will be counting seven years from the time they think
it will. Well,if a trumpet from heaven should herald this
then all well and good, but I’m afraid that there will be
no such indication from heaven, thus it will be too late
for those who have listened to Satan’s sophisticated
convolutions of God’s Word. Those who believe that Satan
will be cast out of heaven during the last 3 1/2 years of
the tribulation,are unwittingly underestimating the impact he has on the world at this time. Also, what would
be Satan’s purpose in heaven now, for he cannot entice
any more angels, as the other 2/3’s have been sealed ?
Since he is unable to do any “damage” in heaven, don’t
you think he will go where he can; i.e earth ? That is
why he was cast out, because there was no point in him
being in heaven, where he could do no more harm !
If we look at how the world has changed in just 100 years
out of 2000, then it should not be hard to consider that
this is a result of Satan’s rage, knowing that his time
was short since his expulsion from heaven. For those who
believe the world has progressed within the last 100 years, will have to explain why God is going to destroy
it (the unrighteous) soon !

Firstly Richard … the woman cannot be physical Israel. The scriptures says …
‘And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.’

The Dragon was angry with her because God protected her.
The earth helped her … it swallowed the flood.
She is given 2 wings of a Great Eagle to fly away to a place prepared by God.
God will nourish her AWay from the face of the serpent.
In other words the serpent won’t find her …
so he goes on to make war with those of her seed (like her) who both keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus Christ.

The woman brings forth the MAN child. And This MAN child is tied God and to the Throne of God.

The Scriptures says that now the accuser is cast down … rejoice O Heavens and you who dwells therein.

When Satan is cast down he also comes with a a third of the stars.

Now … if the Dragon is on earth and the woman is far from the face of the serpent in the wilderness, where do you think this wilderness is?

You should know Richard that the woman is not the jews of the ‘genocide’
which occurred.

There is no question that the “woman” mentioned in Rev. is the nation of Israel.

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”….Rev 12:5

The above verse clearly states who brought forth the “man child”
Jesus, and verse 17 amongst others verify this by stating that
“Satan went to make war with the remnant of her seed”; the
remnant being those who came to accept Jesus. This could include
believing gentiles, who are designated as “spiritual Jews” in
scripture. But the point of these verses is in stating that
Israel brought forth the one who was to become saviour to all,
an event which Satan knew would be the beginning of the end for
him.
Due to the allegorical nature of Rev, all manner of interpretations are possible, but it is my belief that verses 13-18 are describing the holocaust,(13);..her return to Israel
in 1948,”her place”, by means of “the two wings of an eagle”, but a wilderness when she returned (14);..the subsequent attacks on her, from which she was miraculously delivered;
(1948,1967,1973),(16-17);..and the eventual spiritual persecution
of her which is to come,(18).

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”.. Isa 14:12

If Satan is to be cast out near the end, then how could there
be woe to the nations,since he already has the unbelieving world in his grasp, and what woe could he inflict on an already ailing world by this time. It is clear, in my view, how the world has “progressed” in all the wrong ways since the 1st World War, and
it is my belief that Satan’s exclusive presence here has brought
this about. It is also noticeable how Yahweh has protected His
land, miraculously (1948,’67,’73), since 1948, something he had not done for over 2000 years. It is also noticeable the extent
of deceptive teachings which have emerged this century, and it
is clear that he has managed to perpetrate heretic doctrines of the apostate Catholic Religion, through the so-called reformed
denominations who by most part adhere to the gross perversion of
God’s Word by a regime responsible for mercilessly slaughtering
100 MILLION (believed to be up to 5OO million) CHRISTIANS, yes
Christians, in the name of God !!
YET, VERY FEW QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF TEACHINGS WHICH ORIGINATED WITH A REGIME BENT ON CONCEALING THE WORD OF GOD,
AND WHICH MERCILESSLY EXECUTED ANYONE WHO DID NOT BOW DOWN TO IT!!

So what damage could Satan do at the end that is going to advance
what he has already achieved ? Christians have always been slain
,as they are throughout the world today. Satan’s greatest weapon
has and will always be his power of deception, and for those who
think that the truth has been bestowed on an exclusive few for the enlightenment of many, had better wake up, because Satan knows the majority will never verify what they are being taught,
but blindly accept much complex, confounding and conflicting garbage being spewed out by all too many ,in the name of God,
but which carries the stamp of Satan, whose sole purpose it is, now that he is confined to the earth, is to delight in leading as many to destruction as he can, since he knows that this is the time to snatch away the truth on which true faith must be built,
and faith cannot be built upon confusion and dissention, since
“children” need to hear it straight, and when they do, they
trust their Heavenly Father, and come to know that His Word is
His bond, and this bond is an unshakable faith which can omly
come from knowing THE TRUTH, which will set free all those who
truly understand that the WORD OF GOD was born the moment Satan
uttered the FIRST LIE. He perverted God’s Word in THE GARDEN,
and he will pervert God’s Word IN OUR GARDEN, if we dare listen
to anyone who preaches reward for doing what is wrong; and that
which is wrong is the promise of Satan that ignoring the Word of
God will be rewarded; and he has, by most part, succeeded in his
quest to have one believe that the lies of men will bring forth
everlasting life !!

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil”

The woman of revelation canNOT be …
1- the holocaust jews
2 – Israel
Why ??
Because She does NOT have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.
Sorry but you cannot change that verse…
‘which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.’

So the Holy body of Christ brought
forth Christ ?!! Are you saying that
Christ turned up before he arrived ?!
In other words he was in Jerusalem
on the back of a donkey, waiting to see himself arrive on the back of a donkey ?!
( smiley, frowning, bewildered ICON ).

I am saying that those who have Christ in them.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Those are the temple of Christ.
And they will overcome the Satan by the blood of the Lamb.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ.
We are in Christ and Christ in us if we are truly His.
The Holy Body of Christ must come to the perfect Man.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

We (gentiles) could not be adopted as sons and daughters until AFTER Jesus was born and was crucified. It is this sacrifice which sealed the convenant and allowed the gentiles to be adopted. Because the Jews (most of them not all) did not accept Him-Jesus. Therefore G-D offered it to the gentiles.

I just figured out why the administration from hell and the demonic democrats, et al, do not fear repercussions from an election come Nov. Even after witnessing the smackdowns the dems and administration have been getting in the latest special elections they do not care. They do not fear this coming Nov. Why? Because there will be a national/world state of EXTREME EMERGENCY that will cancel the elections. That is the final piece in the puzzle to me. It looks like the much talked about Plant X/ Nibiru/ The Destroyer/ Gabriel’s Fist is indeed inbound and the increasing effects of massive Earth quakes, Volcanoes, meteors, coronal mass ejections, EMPs, YOU NAME IT must be about to come to enough of a crescendo that the powers that be just don’t care what we think. I suspect the details of this health (so called) bill are so horrendous on top of the other legislation already enacted that we will be hog tied and slaughtered, OR SO THEY THINK! You see Steve we (the true Americans that care) have been practicing, drilling, studying, buying preps and filling sand bags if you will. THIS IS GOING TO GET INTERESTING I SUSPECT SOONER THAN LATER.

I find the above interesting because … I too expect a ‘Heavenly Devastation’.
They do not like us! They will use the air to destroy us. ‘The Prince of the power of the air.’ Before? tender leaves springs forth or before?
A cataclysm of great magnitude in the heavens.

I have always understood that Israel was the “woman” that G-D referred to. He is jealous of HER; Israel/Jews are G-Ds chosen people and whose SEED brought forth the Man child-Jesus.

Now I had also understood that Satans’ fall was eons ago-before Jesus was born because of Herod wanting to kill all the first born sons etc…

Now, the tungraska phenomenon is quite interesting to say the least, for it is now 102 years later and STILL no one has been able to “explain” it.

And then of course in the book of Job, it talks about Satan coming before the throne of G-D, where G-D says something like, where have you come from…where have you been…and Satan says “to and fro” etc…and then Satan talks about Job and you know the rest….so……was Satan already cast out prior to Job and before Jesus’ birth? Since Satan was created as the guardian of G-Ds throne, then why was he going “to and fro” on teh earth? Just a thought….

and heres a thought….perhaps there was another war in the Heavens that just wasn’t recorded in the scriptures or maybe its in there somewhere in Revelations….has anyone considered that maybe what happened in Tunguskra was one of the “Seals” or “bowls” or something of that nature?

Hope you have not been moo-ved from your good moo-d !!
It is true that Satan’s fall “was eons ago”, but he
still had access to heaven despite this. However, when
he was cast out of heaven as sated in Rev 12:7-9, this
was to be permanent and so is now confined to the
vicinity of the earth along with his angels, where
they are actively engaged in doing what is neccessary
to take as many to the “lake of fire” of destruction,
with them.

P.S. I don’t know if Satan’s expulsion from heaven ties in with any of the seals or bowls, but it does
seem unlikely that there could have been another
war in heaven besides Rev. 12:7-9 in my opinion,
since it appears that fallen angels were permited
to co-exist with the faithful ones,which was God’s
way of showing His power by allowing the faithful
ones to be taunted, knowing that they would not
yield, a parallel for us, and to serve as a prelude
to their final judgment. But I would not rule out
the odd scuffle ?!

I wonder if G-D is going to sit us all down and explain EVERYTHING….and then we will laugh so hard because maybe we were ALL just so far off from what He really meant….:) 🙂 :)….I’ll be the one in the back saying..”see, I told you! HA!” Just kidding…I don’t have a clue….just wish there weren’t so many interpretations of the same verse etc….But for the record, for what it is worth, I have always and still do believe that Israel is the “woman who flees to the wilderness” and “whose seed brought forth the Man-child”…this is from years, and years and time and half years (LOL) of Baptist Sunday School, Wednesday night Church and Sunday morning and Night church….been there and done that…:)

Well I’m sure glad I am not a Baptist …
How can the woman be Israel?
We see that in front of her stands …
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 12 spoke of a future time in John’s time.
The beast of revelation is standing in the front of the woman!!

Way after the physical birth of Jesus ‘the Word of God’.
Unbelievable! How can Israel be that woman when Israel does not believe in Jesus Christ?

I would say the woman is the church but after viewing what the catholics are all about I would not say that she is the glory of God.

And by the looks of it if I would say the church some might literally think of a building.

The woman of revelation 12 is crowned with 12 stars and she is clothed with the sun and has the moon under her feet.
Not a building!
She is impregnated with the fullness of Christ … ( a Man Child).
And The Power of God is with her.
And God helps her for 1,260 days or 3 1/2 years.

I appreciate my Baptist upbringing, for it gave me the foundation/Word of G-D. After receving the Baptism, I became very upset with our church for not having taught about the Baptism and therefore not giving us a choice. That’s another story, but the short version is that I chose to leave the Baptist church and all religions and cling to G-D. I am a child of G-D and belong to no religion. But I do appreciate the teachings that I did receive. (you can ask a baptist preacher, or at least the one I had, about a verse and he can tell when, how and why in the “blink of an eye” LOL)

Now regarding the “woman”…13And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child [the woman was of course Mary…she is jewish…thus ISRAEL]. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle [have no idea] were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time [3 1/2 years], from the presence of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children [ISRAEL], who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus [adopted sons and daughters/Gentiles].
*Israel is still expecting their Messiah and there are Jews who believe in Jesus*

And as for the : 1A great sign appeared in heaven (constellations): a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars (12 tribes of Israel); 2 and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth (the birth of Jesus and his second return).

The Red Dragon, Satan

3 Then another sign appeared in heaven (constellations): and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon (Antichrist) stood before the woman (Israel and all Christians-adopted sons and daughters/gentiles) who was about to give birth (Herod…second coming), so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.(Herod ordered all first borns to be killed…..second coming of Christ..AC wants to fight/challenge)
(http://endtimepilgrim.org/dragon.htm

This is my interpretation…I honestly can’t see how the “woman” could be anyone or anything else other than Israel/adopted sons and daughters/gentiles….BECAUSE the “man-child” is JESUS and his bloodline was Mary/Israel…thus, “seed”; “her children”

Excellent comprehensive answer,
thank you. Would I be right in
thinking that you left the
church to find the truth ?!(;)
Well, anyone who walks away
from “hell fire and torment”,
walks into the loving, merciful
arms of God !! God bless.

Yes, you are most right in your thinking :). I was genuinely upset with the Baptist religion after receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. My mother didn’t know what to say…laughing, she was speechless. When I asked her why we were never told about the Baptism-we were taught everything else…she stated that she did know and did believe but did not want the responsibility. I had no idea at that time what she was talking about…until weeks later, but thats another post..:)

And yes, by leaving, I did get to know G-D as being the most loving and I fell in love with His son-Jesus. The Holy Spirit has helped me grieve the loss of both my parents and I honestly don’t know where I would be today if I had not asked Jesus for his beautiful gift.

Tunguskra is for different and natural cause. And as for the war in heaven.. I have seen it a dozen of times by being there spiritually.. and was part of it. Not yet.. but oh very soon we all will see the satan and his demons hauling toward us.. They are rather beast looking type.. What I hate to be blunt when others does NOT wanna to tell. Once time comes, they will come out.. which reminds me a lot like uhm.. ” Constatnce ” movie.. which means demons can come out in open once the darkness hits.. ( Darkness as we will not see the sun nor moon nor its shinings.. )

That is all I can say and I cannot say beyond.. without God’s approval.. Therefore, do not let anything disturb no one whom trusts and love God and will be under His protection. Be strong and be ready.. and know there is a hope. 🙂

I say this in love….the war in heaven involved
only angels as seen by the apostle John and no one
else !! I know from your comments Tamera that you
are a sincere person, but there are times when we
can allow spiritual warfare to induce strange
imaginings !! God would not allow anyone to see
billions of angels at war, including a/a Michael,
so God has made it possible for only two people
to see him; Daniel and John. So let’s humbly accept
that no matter how much we would dearly love to have
prophetic capabilities, when it comes to matters of
this magnitude, only a few will be privileged to
in this way.

I haven’t watched the above video yet, but when I saw the title I remembered a few days ago I was at the bank and I tell you I SAW 2 SUNS!!!! It was the wierdest thing I have ever seen…It was hard to look because of the brightness but the clouds helped when covering ONE of them! I am not crazy but thought I had to be for what I saw…..Of course, I thought, it could have been a reflection of some sort, kinda like a mirror, which made it occur as if there were 2 Suns…I have no way of explaining it but I know what I saw!!!! And I wasn’t even looking for it…just happened to look up as I was leaving the bank…

And then last night, sitting outside facing the east by the way…out of no where came a fire burst in the air which descended quickly and dissappeared. At first I thought it was a falling star…..however, after seeing dozens of falling stars from living in the country, I have to say this was much different. The burst of fire was in the middle of the air closer to the height of the trees and descended in a straight line downward….and no it wasn’t a fire cracker….interesting to say the least…the scripture that came to mind was that of “signs in the heavens in the last days”…

Why you are presenting us with material claiming to unravel a
“mystery”…to which mystery are you referring to ? We are
addressing the identity of the “woman” in Rev. who gave birth to
Jesus. Have you never heard a nation or a land as being referred to in the feminine gender, i.e; “she”? This is so simple..the
nation of Israel brought forth the one who was to become a life
giving spirit. Please read Rev.12 very carefully, and note the
context in each instance where “woman” is mentioned. These verses
are documenting the involvement of Israel in God’s redemptive
plan,starting with physical Israel through to the believing
remnant of Israel, (spiritual Israel) which no doubt includes Gentiles; spiritual Jews. The presenter here, has overlooked
the obvious fact that God always uses His Spirit to accomplish
any particular purpose, and by taking the “woman” to mean the
Holy Spirit, has completely invalidated the relevance of Israel
in these verses, just as Satan would have it !!

Richard I guess I am slow in realizing that it is ‘I’ and ‘us’ who are different here.
As you say ‘Why you are presenting us ‘ and ‘We are’.
My patience with you is over!
‘, just as Satan would have it !!’

You have laughed at me from the start … and you thought I was so stupid as not to know.
Well I have known and know it well.
I am done with your type and I am done with this site!!

I don’t think your stupid and I believe i can speak for everyone in saying that noone else thinks this either. Revelations is very difficult to understand. This is why we need the Holy Spirit to “reveal” to us what G-d was referring to.

I think of it like Algebra…bear with me…LOL…If you take the scripture and “plug it in” then it makes sense…but then you have to know what to plug in to all the metaphors…so, with “the woman”, we would “plug in” the word “Israel”…and then knowing from history as to Jesus’ birth, his bloodline, Hitler (one of many ACs) who orchestrated the Holocaust…killing millions upon millions of “the seed”…then it makes sense….as to the “eagle with 2 wings” my first thought was “U.S.A” being the “Eagle” who did finally come to the “womans’/Jews” rescue and got rid of Hitler….does this make sense? I could of course be wrong about the Eagle but I am learning and what I have learned over the years and thru Marianne’s site is that G-D uses ALOT of symbolism….

Please don’t be hurt, for you should know that I have the highest
regard for your intelligence and sweet nature, and I can assure
you that any leg pulling is done without intent to damage any “ligaments”; so, you can “walk” again, sweet daughter of your
“mother”.

Richard … You say … ‘ and by taking the “woman” to mean the
Holy Spirit, has completely invalidated the relevance of Israel
in these verses, just as Satan would have it !!’

Is your view that Israel is above ‘the Holy Spirit’? … So by exalting God …
and validating the ‘woman’ as the Holy Spirit, according to what you say … is actually satisfying the plan of Satan?

If you reply no to what you had suggested then you will understand why you angered me so.
But if you reply yes to what you have suggested … then truly I do not wish to correspond with you further.
It was and is just not myself who was insulted by your remarks …

although it appears to have gone over the head of some.
I have waited till my fury was somewhat appeased to answer you.

Abigail i don’t mean to be harsh but if you spent more time in the word of god and prayer instead of YouTube you would have total peace about government prototype plane in the sky.seek your answer in the word through the holy spirit not the you tube site.it is obvious that you do not have peace on this subject matter and i want you to have peace and sound reasoning on this matter and i know god does even more then i, we are awaiting Jesus .I think everyone should pray for one another about people who are deceived on this subject matter. remember Jesus warned many many times as all the prophets and apostles did, their message was against sin #1 and do not be deceived by any false thing #2 especially in the last days.if we were to worry about this issue it would be in the word of god period.

Hothead I agree with you, I see way to many videos from Youtube and half of those aren’t even real anyways and shouldn’t be relied on. For everything I think about that has to do with these kind of issues I look towards the bible not youtube.

this if funny…Theory about cow abductions: aliens are testing the “gas” of the cows so that they can change the environment of earth to make it more livable/breathable for them…I’m not kidding…listen to this:

Hey, I’m no expert on genetics but I know that a flu shot or ingesting something can not alter your genetic structure. Even gene splicing which is very involved and intricate could only affect a local area, as in an attempt to repair defective organs etc.
If it were that simple to do then these evil powers would have spread it long ago thru food or water supplies. If there were these evil entities out there they would have the power to take over the entire earth and not bother with these mickey-mouse trivial pursuits this guy is talking about.
All of this stuff comes from a myriad of old sci-fi movie plots that are running rampant now on the internet.
I guess there is just too much money to be made from all the suckers who actually believe in this crap. And there’s a sucker born every second on the internet.
I think that there is a problem with many people who totally believe in a book like the bible are predisposed to believe in other types of stories just because they are popular. If they studied the facts behind these stories as diligently as they study the bible they might discover that they have no basis in fact – they only appear to, to the untrained mind.
Believer beware!

So you think he is credible? I have been watching his videos-all 25 of them and it is a bit disturbing to put it nicely! Hard to sleep after hearing some of what he talks about-especially about the masons having to “spend time as catholic priests” and pedophilia….(he quotes that 1 in 100 are pedophiles) and then onto the 90th degree masonry (which I only thought there was 33 degrees) and then vampirism (of which he was before getting saved)and then the greys and reptilians (of which he has seen)and abductees (of whom he ministers to) and then meeting the children who are part “fallen angel” and “human” and that they too can be saved…(of whom he also ministers to) wow!!! Just…wow!

Would love to know others’ thoughts on him. I kinda feel sorry for him after hearing all that he went thru and now being saved-I wonder if he struggles with guilt over a lot of what he used to do. And then, I also have to wonder if he is telling the truth! It is definitely a lot to take in and absorb….

Sorry, I only watched that one video you posted when I went home last night. I am not sure about the fallen Angles drinking blood part, otherwise he was dead on with everything elce.

I doubt the part you wrote about the Nephilim being able to be saved. They are not G-d’s creation. It is written the spirits of the Nephilim will be destroyed at Judgement day, as it was not their fault to be created. The ones that are dead now, are the evil spirits that wander the earth. Christ put a bunch of them into swine once. They pose as dead human spirits to fools that think they can talk to the dead.

I listened to this again and the news anchor (be it that she was repeating what she was reading) contradicted herself…in the beginning she states that the airport had to be shut down to avoid passenger flights from crashing into each other….”object sighted was part of a military test”….YEAH RIGHT!? Do they really think we are this stupid!? If there is going to be a military test, don’t you think they would have informed the airport IN ADVANCE!? I am soooooo tired of the lies which only insult our intelligence…

I heard this interview and Shirley is talking about the “star beings” as if she has talked to them…she says that “they care about us….and in some cases what they consider THEIR CHILDREN”….they “care” about our environment because they have children here!!! NEPHILIM? As in the days of Noah?

I have a friend, monica, whom I have known for 24 years and she is as stable as the day is long. She told me yesterday of her encounter with a UFO. She was around the age of 7 or 8 and while out on the playground, along with her classmates and teachers, a UFO appeared above them as high was the tallest tree. She could see all the details of the craft and its lights beneath it. She described as being shaped like a “cereal bowl turned upside down”. It had a metallic color and the lights reminded her of the lights that some use to light up their stairways. She said it was there in gone-before you could finish the sentence “what the BLEEP is that” and then it disappeared. It did have a sound to it but not very loud; it sounded like what the wind sounds like when it is somewhat strong wind-a swooshing sound. Pretty amazing-I have never seen a UFO but I know my friend and she would never never make something like this up. I completely believe her. My ongoing question is this….WHY? Are these truly the fallen angels that were spoken of in Genesis and Enoch? Are they really flying around in technologically advanced aircraft? It’s hard not to laugh but seriously, are these the ones that are also described in the book of Joel?….”leaping over mountain tops” Joel 2

I told her that I thought it was interesting that most of these UfO’s, as fast as they appear and disappear are seeming to make a point of wanting to be seen with all the recent sightings at Airports (In china there were 8 this year?) and also over a city in downtown Arizona which prompted their governor to make “some phone calls” and he still didn’t get any answers.

I also thought it was interesting that the UFO hovered over a playground-of a catholic school. The alleged possibility of “them” having children here occured to me….that’s a thought I never “thought” I would ever entertain…but what else are we to think…considering…

We also now have an Ambassador at the UN that was recently appointed. Most people, by now, realize that whenever the government makes anything public, it has usually already been in effect for about 30 to 40 years prior. So my thought again, is if they are now making this known about the ambassador, then most likely they KNOW something is about to happen beyond their control in relation to these “beings” and they are attempting to give us the “illusion” that they have it under control…you think?

Someone made the comment, somewhere around here…LOL, that perhaps when Jesus arrives “in the clouds” this could be a reference to what we refer to as a UFO. I also heard it said that the “chariots of fire” that Elijah was “caught up into” could perhaps be a UFO (that would actually make more sense then a chariot being on fire along with horses…but somehow its easier actually to believe the chariots of fire then the UFO…)laughing

All I know, if not only because of the “dream” I had back in March of the Rapture, is that the Holy Spirit is the one that “captures us”.

It is my understanding the top leaders at the UN, those who hate Christ, listen every year to some spook talk about the coming Christ. Not the Christ you, and I pray to, but the Christ that is in Buddah, and Mohammad. The Christ that comes to mankind every few thousand years.

They call it the Avatar. We would call it being mislead by Lucifer. As UFO’s are from that which lies, and misleads.

Lucifer knows his time is real short now with the rebirth of Israel. Watch for more, and more UFO sightings, movies, and abductions.

Do not be afraid. Pray to G-d the Father in Christ name, and you will be protected from all evil.

The Oscar-winning film, Avatar, was screened this weekend as part of the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues. The special screening, to honour the director James Cameron, was attended by indigenous leaders from around the world. UN Radio’s Breege Brennan was also there and caught up with Mr. Cameron.”

Some crazy stuff on that site. References to Hercules as the wayward child of “god”. Mediation and how to “hear” from “god”.

I think most of us assume that people are blind to this. This can be the case for some but I am beginning to realize that more than not are actually aware and have made their choice. As is the case with Alice Bailey and the United Nations. They are expecting THEIR “christ” and very soon.

There is a really interesting,good book wich is all about the alien/u.f.o.phenomenon,called”Unholy Communion” written by author’s,David Ruffino & Joseph Jordan,and they have done year’s & year’s of exstenive research on the topic,and what “aliens’s” really are.they really know their stuff! at the end of book are the testimonie’s from many pople who have been attacked & abducted for many year’s and the only thing that made their torments & “abductions” finally stop was sayng the name of Jesus! and that His name actually hurt them & made them leave.Now what does that tell you they realy are?obviously demon’s disguising themselves as alien’s & other things to decieve man,.That’s what the author’s show all throughout the book,but anyway it look’s like many of the people who have replied on here already know about that.Just wanted to tell about the book.

Below is impressive evidence of the activities of so called “Aliens”(I believe they are fallen angels/ evil spirits/demons):

Yes, people are being abducted, and implanted with small devices so the “alien intruders” can keep track of them. Jesus said that it will be like in the time of Noah just before He returns. Similar evil was going on in Noah’s day too! The following is a testimony of a surgeon with more then 40 years experience in his field. He initially was highly skeptical about alien abductions, but once he saw a tracking device with his own eyes he became convinced of the reality of the existence of so called aliens (I believe they are fallen angels), and that these entities really abduct people to experiment on them for their evil purposes.

Dr. Leir and his surgical team, have performed 11 surgeries on alleged alien abductees, resulting in the removal of twelve separate and distinct objects suspected of being [alien implants]. These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious laboratories in the world including Los Alamos National Labs, New Mexico Tech, and the University of California at San Diego. Their findings have been baffling and some comparisons have been made to Meteorite Samples. In addition, some of the tests show isotopic ratios not of this world. He anticipates performing more surgeries in the future and is investigating the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.

Dr. Leir is Board Certified in the following boards: The National College of Foot Surgeons The American Board of Podiatric Sports Medicine The American Board of Foot Surgery The American Circulatory Society and the Society for Non-Invasive Vascular Technology. He is licensed to practice in the states of California and Oregon and holds a certificate from the National Board of Podiatric Medicine.

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Here’s the video:

Much introduction. Advance to the 10 minute point, and listen from there. It is about an hour long.

This was horrific! Even if they made this up this is HORRIFIC! an abomination!! Is this what the fallen angels look like?

G-d made the angels first and then man…only G-d breathed life into man and made him a “little lower than the angels”.

Hebrews 2:5For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

6But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

7Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

I do have a question….according to the book of Enoch, these fallen angels, formerly the watchers, were punished by G-d and bound by an attending Angel that G-d assigned until the end….until judgement. So WHO are these “aliens” IF NOT the fallen angels?

Just a thought…and they looked more reptilian than anything else….OOOOOHHHHH YUCK! I feel for that poor girl!

This video is a fraud. Though the second race of Man (derived from our genome) was capable of cross-breeding, God has since resolved the problem. Cross-breeding between humans and “aliens” is no longer possible (the fetuses perish in the 1st trimester).
The “aliens” that are here learned this the hard way. The hybrids they have created were made via genetically splicing the coding for their telepathic nodules into the zygotes that they manipulated. They then separate the cells of the resulting blastula by electro-capacitive flux manipulation and implant the resulting “zygotes” into a womb where they grow into children with many twin brothers or sisters (not clones,per se). These hybrids look human, but are telepathic.
These aliens covet this world and once believed that heaven would not intercede if they tried to take it.
That misperception has since been corrected.

Do you think demon’s are responsible for the cattle mutilation’s?since nobody seem’s to know who or what is doing it,and they say it’s not predator’s or people doing it.and if so,why would they do this? possibly for the sick reality of trying to impregnate human’s? and their other evil purposes.?

This is the letter that I sent to Pastor Billy Crone after watching the newly released movie “Paul”.

*note: the poster and previews of this movie are very deceptive

Hi Mr Crone,

While watching what I thought was a “family friendly” movie this afternoon, I realized that before my eyes was EXACTLY what you have been talking about regarding new age and Aliens!!

Let me tell you as briefly as I can about this movie. It is about an Alien whose name is Paul. He is almost “Humanlike” with his big BLUE eyes and “sense of humor”. He heals the blind and resurrects the dead!

There are 2 “christians” in this movie who make us look like idiots. In one scene, the “christian” lady is arguing with the alien who is hiding out in the bathroom (she hasn’t seen him yet and thinks she is talking to just another man-human).

They are arguing about creation etc….The lady is quoting scripture from Genesis and says “G-d created man in His image” and then the Alien Paul comes out of the bathroom and says “In His image!? ha! then how do you explain ME!?”

She then passes out and when she comes to, she calls the Alien a demon and starts speaking in “tongues”. The alien then has enough of her and lays his hand on her head so as to pass on ALL knowledge of how humans came to evolve….and that darwin was right! The lady is now “enlightened”-knows the “truth”.

The t-shirt she is wearing also conveys a message in that it shows Jesus boxing with Darwin.

This is all done in a “cute and humorous” kind of way so as to distract the viewer from the REAL message.

The alien goes on to heal her blind eye and later resurrects his dead friend who gets shot by the lady’s father, who is the other “christian”.

When the father sees that the man he killed is brought back to life, he says “G-d still does miracles” and then you hear his daughter say to the alien “you can’t win with these people”.

At the very end of the movie, the alien says to the “christian” lady that he is sorry for shaking her faith and frightening her. The Lady replies “you didn’t frighten me-you FREED ME”!

Also promoted throughout the movie is homosexuality; stealing; and A LOT of cussing (most of the script are cuss words).

Important to note is that when the “christian lady” was “enlightened” she states that there are no more consequences and that she is now able to do whatever she wants!

If you can stand the language, this is definitely a movie that I believe proves your point!

Do I think it should be boycotted? absolutely, however, I know this would only give free publicity to this movie and this would be something I am sure its “atheist” producer would so appreciate.

Oh boy,I thought that movie sounded like trouble.although I haven’t seen it.just preview’s about the so called “funny alien.”I hope not too many people waste good money seeing it.sound’s worse than I thought!trying to make homosexuality,new age,cussing,and mocking Christianity funny! just sad.

Revelation 16: 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Hey Marianne,
I was itrigued by your claim that Mel’s Hole is real. As I have studied the cascade geology and taken a field trip to Mount Rainier and this so-called “blow-hole” never came up. So I looked into it and here is what Wikipedia has to say:

Just before the tenth anniversary of Mel’s first appearance on Coast to Coast AM, the moderator of the Mel’s Hole website declared the search for the hole was a dead end, and that it would likely never be proven to exist unless Mel came forward with evidence of its location.[6]
In 1997 a nearby Tri-Cities newspaper, the Tri-City Herald, reported that Waters was not listed in the Kittitas County telephone directory or the register of taxpayers, and that authorities in Ellensburg were unable to find any evidence that he was a resident, thus calling into question whether he existed.[5]

Sounds like another typical hoax to me.

Well, maybe when planet X arrives next year it will get sucked into Mel’s Hole and we will all be saved. One can only hope…

aliens do exist most likely they are demons who are bio engineering an existence…The bible says that the AC was and is not and yet shall be…makes sense now: a souless clone can have the AC brought into it.

Perhaps these things are transhumans. Scientists right now say they we are going to merge with our technology and even merge our oun DNA with that of animals through genetic engeneering to have better hearing, sight, etc. They call this transhumanism. There is a good documentary on utube called Technoclypse about this

I never believed in Aliens until I moved back to Europe and got to watch a channel about it. I didn’t realise that only 4 months before 9/11 there was a disclosure project where astraunots, scientists, a doctor, many people who worked in high positioned jobs for the USA came to disclose what they know about UFOs and aliens. The lawyer that was employed when President Carter asked for disclosure was sent to the Vatican library because they are supposed to have information on the subject. Go to Utube and type in Disclosure Project, it will come up. It is all genuine and also see on Utube an ex minister for defense in Canada admit what he knows about aliens and UFOs. These are all very intelligent successful people who are saying this and even though the subject sounds absurd to me I have to believe that these people, I believe there are around 200, are not all going mad.

Would aliens have relation to god? Did god created aliens? If not why they are more intelligent than human and exist without god creating them? Would aliens sins be counted like human? If god created aliens, then why they are not in his form and the bible did not talk much about them?

God created everything..aliens are not human…..they may be a non human race of people, or they are fallen angels, which we should be careful not to let them deceive us…..

they are more intelligent than we are.

when things go bad on the earth, they will try to pretend to be our saviors….but there is only one savior, and that is jesus..

people will have to choose between aliens and Jesus.

the bible is about the relationship between god and man, not god and man and aliens.

however, there is one place in genesis that mentions them as the “sons of god” who came and mated with human women, producing giants….god got so mad he sent the flood to kill off everyone except Noah and his family.

I haven’t been fully prepared, still facing my negative sinful influences in life. I am afraid that I can’t live for another several tens of years. He said only the ones who follow God’s path will reach heaven. But, I think I need so much time to change, although the time when I still keep changing, I am worried if “very soon” means a few years, although I want to be prepared, and not without this limited time.

I can’t even read anymore of your insanity. You are reading the book terribly. When the 5th trumpet sounds a volcano is gonna errupt and instead of lava it will be GIANT flesh eatting cricket. The crowns their talking about… just look at the full sized grasshopper… crowned now just imagine how developed they will be even bigger.

The guys Red Elk have seen are the Reptillians. There are underground bases coast to coast.. 1 of the Main bases is in Dulce, New Mexico.. just youtube Phil Scheider former engineer for the U.S Govt. rest in peace. He describes in detail what happened to him.

Okay now you over excited young person Rev 9:19 you totally took out of context because if you posted the few verses before that you can clearly see it’s talking about the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. with a snake for a tail who’s venom can kill.

I’ve been to area-51 from sundown until sun up and the vehicles i saw flying around weren’t planes nor helicopters. Definitely reverse engineered crafts we’ve been working on since Roswell.

An any person here that doesn’t believe in aliens, you go stand over in the corner between the guy that said the earth was flat, and the other 1 that said the earth is the center of the universe. have you even attempted to use google search galaxies and see how many galaxies our milkyway is around. An still stay we are the only living intelligent beings.

Seriously tho at the end of revelations we’re supposed to have 1,000 years of happy, no more pain, no more sorrow, no more death and we are all going to get to actually see Jehovah/Yahweh/God.

All of the corrupt evil governments think they are just going to round us up like cattle and systematically destroy us at the many many FEMA DEATH CAMPS in place and ready to take in new temporary residence.

and while they are doing that the 7th trumpet will bellow and the Euphrates river is going to literally unleash hell on earth. Yeah the governments thought they were the Evil dudes. Then the evil EVIL dudes show up. 200 million battle ready demons will surface from the river and among them are 4 angels chained up. remember Danny the Dog aka Unleashed when the collar came off!

It’s not even ironic that they just appeared there either and Noooo not because Muslims are evil. Because Iran and Iraq were originally Mesopetamia. So if you’ve all been cross referencing that is where the Mad Arab an such constructed the Necronomicon and obviously way back when they were doing alot of gateway opening sacrifices to retrieve even more pages of the book. Because the books they sell in stores is only the first 200 pages of 1000. They obviously didn’t seal that gateway well enough.

We haven’t even got to the pouring the 7 chalice’s of blood. Everyone Practice your Qi Kung breathing exercises. It’s a healing martial art. an start practicing controlling your energy. You don’t think an entire race of Aztecs just simply vanished do you really? They just raised they bodies frequency to a higher level and simply shifted to an alternate reality. Yes omg parallel universe ontop of aliens, demons giant flesh eating grasshoppers. I’m still stuck on the 4 horsemen. Lord Michael has already told me i was in the book of life i hope you all are in there too. Some of us are already evolved to the next level.

The only words of wisdom i can give you all is my way of life.
“Pray to Jesus when you pray to God it’s called chain of command.”
“Think like HIM, and you’ll be like HIM.”

I haven’t read all your articles or the posts but would like to offer my explanation of the locusts. They are in the prophecy where “smoke goes up from the bottomless pit” which seems to be oil wells on fire in Kuwait as Iraqi forces withdraw in the Gulf War.

The locusts are I think, the helicopters buzzing round the burning oil wells and attacking the Iraqi troops. The “faces of a man” would be the faces of the pilots clearly visible through the glass of the cockpits

Nice to get such a quick reply. My previous experience has been that replies never come and I did say I would love to discuss this some more.

Yes it’s a very interesting chapter and there’s a lot of things which need to be explained. I never like to get an explanation of a prophecy which doesn’t cover every single detail and I think I have covered everything on the website which I quoted, but here’s a couple of things which I think are super-interesting.

The “hair of a woman” puzzled me for quite a time when I first tried to make sense of this vision but I think if you picture a helicopter with the rotors buzzing round in the sunshine you would see a very indistinct blur and this could remind you of long wispy hair, reminiscent of a woman’s hair (if you lived in the days when men tended to wear their hair shorter. and you had never seen a helicopter before)

The breastplates of metal, glinting in the sun is quite a distinctive description and I think the rushing sound of the rotors turning at high speed as “the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle” is beautifully described by a man 2000 years ago.

The tails of the helicopters each with a rotor blade might remind me a scorpions with stings in their tails, if I had seen one 2000 years ago!

But here is the really quite unbelievable part about the “king over them”. Who is them? The helicopters in the Gulf War would belong to the USA or the UN and they did not have a king over them called Abaddon. Moreover, this verse seems to have nothing whatsoever to do with the verses either before of after this one. But this happens quite a lot in Revelation and these little “notes” or “asides” appear to be to alert you to something hidden but important.

In an old version of the bible which I no longer have, I remember Abaddon had apostrophes, which normally indicate some letters are missed out. consider now: ‘A’baddon and then insert these letters: (Osam)A(binl)addon.

(Sorry about the slight misspelling with the o instead of e at the end)

If this is a bit of a stretch of the imagination, look at the CHAPTER and VERSE of this TOTALLY IRRELEVANT sentence. it is CHAPTER 9/11 the very event Osama bin Ladden was resposible for!

I think any stinging from these helicopters would have come from on-board machine guns but as far a John the author of Revelation was concerned, he thought these were scorpions and scorpions would sting with their tails. Just a slight and very natural misunderstanding of modern technology but they both sting!

I’m not sure about Osama rising from the dead. According to my knowledge (Googled it) he died in 2011 but this vision of helicopters and oil wells on fire was during the Gulf War in 1990, after which he attacked the World Trade Centre in 2001 in retaliation for USA’s part in the Gulf War

Revelation ch.11 v 7 sort of confirms this when it says:

“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.”

The great city is New York and if there is any doubt that this is 911 when, apart from 911, did a dead body lie in any street for 3.5 days?
(Not 3 days or 4 days but three and a half days)

I’m glad that you considered helicopters in the past. Don’t you think on reflection you were probably right?

They are to torment mankind for 5 months, but not kill them. Helicopters with a mini gun would kill a lot of people.

I think some of the Bible is not translated correctly. If I am not mistaken, the Greek to Latin translation there is a rapture before G-d’s wrath on earth. Otherwise, Christ taking his Bride would be after his Bride gets a good beating.

This torment comes to those who swear an oath to that which places an idol inside the rebuilt Temple.

We are taking about something supernatural I think. Also, G-d does not gather the world powers to the plain of Meggo. It is my understanding Old Knob will try to destroy all the Jews in Israel and G-d will destroy all who came against her. G-d’s will be done to show G-d keeps his end of the bargain he made with Abraham.

I grew up in North Texas before it was heavily populated. My time on weekends was spent in the woods and creek bottoms. The Marine Corp was a lot like my life before I entered. Except, the Marine Corp gave me cool weapons and a lot of ammo.

In 1989, I think, the Lockerbie bombing happened. I was stationed just north of were the plane came down. Body parts everywhere.

I was called and ordered back to the ship and I did not know at the time what had happened. But, there was no taxis outside in the town I was in. Which was freaky, because they was always at least 20-30 lined up.

I ran back to base. Back then, running several miles was nothing. We were all armed and positioned where we normally go for missile transfers. It was the first time I saw the whole ship armed. Not just us the security detachment. It made an impression on me and I did not know it effected my subconscious until years later.

Once back in the States, my desire to patrol hard to get to areas was stronger than normal. I just thought I liked it too much. As it was always something I did on active duty and after the plane bombing on the mountains around the ship.

One 3/4 moon I went out to make my way to my fishing hole deep in a creek bottom. I stopped on the lip of the creek before going down into the creek bed. For some goofy reason, I used my red lens flash light to signal an approaching plane. I thought it was a plane. I used prime numbers. 1-7.

It was a strange yellow light that appeared to have bars across it up and down. But, the light shone through. It was very beautiful.

That is all I remember until I kind of came to. The trees across the creek bottom were moving back and forth like a great wind was moving them. About 40 to 50 yards worth of trees. I looked up to see a black craft the size of a C-130. It’s wings were half the size of a C-130 and they were wider. It hovered above the tree line about 150-180 feet off the ground.

The next thing I remember was being back across the field where I had come from. It was puzzling. There are burn marks on the under part of my right arm. They are small and spaced out.

At the time of this event I was working out with 315lbs. I could do a set of 8 no problem. It was brought to my attention while coming to after nose surgery, I was violent.

I think this aircraft and those on it took me. But, got rid of me after my subconscious became violent. I don’t know for sure. I just get the impression they got more than they expected.

Some months later as I was making a fire down in the creek, my dog disappeared. She never ran off. It was the first time, so I thought.

I stopped what I was doing to looked for her. My calls and whistles went unanswered by her presence. The next morning early I went back to search for her. Then, the evening. I called the police thinking someone would report a large German Sheppard that scared them. This went on for several days. The temps approached 105 degrees during the day and the humidity almost killed me. Really.

For some reason, I had an over whelming desire to open the front door and look for her. There she was. She looked terrified and close to death.

I brought her in and gave her water with a couple of ice cubes in it. I talked to her softly. She went to sleep. I feed her later and gave her more water. for days she was scared and stayed close to me.

All this I write, because I think my dream a few nights ago are related. The telepathic ability of the Nephilim is something I think happened in my dream and my desire to open the door to look for the dog.

Whatever it was that snatched me, if that is what happened, got more than they bargained for. The dog was a test. To see what I would do. These creatures tried to contact me the same way I tried to contact them one night. But, they used a bright light. Their craft can move in the blink of an eye across the sky.

I ignored them. I just looked at their location. I wanted to rip their heads off. Plus, the Bible reads have nothing to do with the unseen. With the Godless. With evil.

Their power is growing. I believe allowed by G-d the Father. I believe we are at the doorstep for the last of the Bible to be fullfield. Maybe, I am a hopeless Romantic and am wrong.

I am at war with miles. Exactly what you have written. They are aliens. Do not die. Been consumed by this 2 yr. They communicate. Fnally at 59 have been truly saved. I live in a late 1800 senior bldg. The worst are here. Have seen faces of demons. Why have I been chosen to experience this? Photos don’t lie. Rarely talk about it. Only a few have also witnessed. Has made me my best self. Is the end near? Why me? Drs. medicine didn’t work. My faith is finally getting them to leave my body. They are so destructive. My dog now poops art. What is my purpose? Please contact me. I am alone. No longer accept evil. My bldg. staff won’t enter my room they have to know. Moved into it. Thank you.

I am a believer in Jesus/ Yahshua (Yahshua is Hebrew name for Jesus) whose blood covers me and keeps me safe, from at least internal attacks. demons try to afflict me, and can do some damage, but they cannot touch my soul.

god allows this to happen to me to teach me how to fight back. god needs us to accept our authority and become spiritual warriors

they can possibly do harm to believers as well, if they are uninformed, and not prepared.

people who are not believers are open to more harm.

satan’s army has but a short time left to steal, kill, and destroy.

satan chooses to attack everyone, so in that sense, everyone is chosen…..he gets in, if there is an open door

but….if he can choose to attack us, we can choose to attack back

to attack back, we need the correct weapons of warfare…

first, we need to repent of any sins that opened the door to the attacks….even little sins count

we need to reject any past behavior that makes us victims. behavior that goes against god’s commandments or ignores them. so we have to know that these commandments are so we know what to do and believe and obey.

most victims are ignorant because they were never taught the truth

medicines do not work against demons….medicines are for physical problems

second, we need to ask Jesus / Yahshua to be our Lord and SAvior, to protect us, and teach us his love and peace, and to ask for the holy spirit t gift us and teach us so we can protect ourselves, with god’s help

this is why Jesus came 2000 years ago….to deliver us from sin and all the evil, demonic dangers out there. to give us peace and security from satan’s attacks.

people who do not belong to the Lord will not help you, because they are too scared, and too lost themselves.

I need to ask….Is Jesus your Lord and Savior? If not, do you want this relationship?

let me know

(Jesus promised to return to completely destroy satan and his demons….his return is soon, according to the signs I see.)