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Makes sense. Are you talking about actual penalties? I received one months ago, have tried aggressively to remove links (I've removed about 2500 out of 5500) disavowed nearly all the rest (another 3000) and still can't get the penalty removed. Most webmasters don't respond, so there's little hope of removing the other 3000. And traffic keeps dropping.

All great to know. Unfortunately, I've tried 3 times to get a penalty lifted, have removed more than 2,000 of the 5,000 links I can find that point to my site, disavowed most of the rest, and STILL can't get the penalty removed. It's too bad that G is forcing me to start a new site - is that really what they want? Is that really best for users?

Sure, it's their site, they can do what they want. But if they're going to talk the talk about doing what's best for users, then they should at least give me a chance. A "good" site is certainly a relative term, but I existed very successfully with many happy users for years, and now I'm in a black hole because of some links? Please...

Man, you are lucky you got the penalty removed on the first try. I've sent 3 reconsideration requests, and bug G still won't budge. I've removed a ton of links (removed 3700 out of 5700 I can find), disavowed all the rest, but since I'm not a big SEO company I guess they figure I have lots of time on my hand to manually remove links. Yes, I'm guilty of building some spammy links (not personally, but hired some link building companies), so I'm not looking for sympathy. But I just wish they could recognize the disavow file after removing more than 65% of my links. Oh well.