Until they can figure out how to make an engine which doesn't go through rod bearings, VANOS units, water pumps, on and on and on, forget 'em. Whatever they put in this car will be a complete joke compared to the legendary 2JZ.

German engineering is a myth. If Toyota is making the motor, then there is hope.

Until they can figure out how to make an engine which doesn't go through rod bearings, VANOS units, water pumps, on and on and on, forget 'em. Whatever they put in this car will be a complete joke compared to the legendary 2JZ.

German engineering is a myth. If Toyota is making the motor, then there is hope.

Also, I sure don't see a targa roof on that thing.

Toyota doesn't have a straight six, so it's likely going to get the new Lexus V6TT. Kinda lame, think I'd rather have a B58, goofy chain on the back and all.

Until they can figure out how to make an engine which doesn't go through rod bearings, VANOS units, water pumps, on and on and on, forget 'em. Whatever they put in this car will be a complete joke compared to the legendary 2JZ.

German engineering is a myth. If Toyota is making the motor, then there is hope.

Also, I sure don't see a targa roof on that thing.

Couldn't agree more. I've had three supras in the last 20 years, all making 600+ hp, and outside of clutch/flywheels they didn't cost me a cent in repairs. My near stock M3 blew up at 60k. I love the M but it's no Supra.

Couldn't agree more. I've had three supras in the last 20 years, all making 600+ hp, and outside of clutch/flywheels they didn't cost me a cent in repairs. My near stock M3 blew up at 60k. I love the M but it's no Supra.

You got it! I'm excited for 2018 to see how much imported RHD Supra's will be. If they aren't too outrageous ($30k or so for a nice TT, 6-speed example), I'm picking up another one no questions asked. I'd take a 25 year old Supra TT over a new GTR anyday!

If it does look like FT-1 or at last close in the exterior and interior design of the FT-1 I would love to get one in the future in Gray like the concept. Supra or Z5 depending which one looks closer to the FT-1.

That's definitely the Supra -- and it isn't going to be priced anywhere close to $30k.

Intriguing that it's using BMW interior trim ... but those gauges scream Toyota (they remind me of those in the 1st-gen MR2) ... and it's an out-and-out 2-seater, too.

Toyota has to be mindful of where to position this car, particularly with:
- Rumors that the next Nissan Z car will likely be less expensive than the current 370z -- which is a $35k car
- The FR-S/Suby BR-Z and Miata taking up the $25k space
- Mazda green-lighting a next-gen RX sports car, probably to appear in 2019, that will probably start @ $40k
- Whatever Genesis pulls out of its hat to replace the Hyundai Genesis Coupe
- The hyper-competitive market that starts at $55-$60k (Cayman, Z5, SLK, Corvette, etc.)

My guess it that it'll start at $40k or so, and approach $50k 'nicely loaded'.

German plates, German (I assume) driver. I see nothing which leads me to believe this isn't the Z5 over a Supra.

I don't believe that for a second:

- BMW's already unofficially stated that a coupe version of the Z5 is not going to be released immediately, alongside the roadster. What has been officially said is that to help keep the Supra and Z5 as distinct from each other as possible, the Z5 will be a roadster only, and the Supra will be a coupe only, at least for the initial production year of both.
- Exterior design details of the coupe shown differ significantly from the roadster. It's much more sculpted, much more organic, and much more, well, "Toyota" than the roadster, which reminds me of a cross between a stretched S2000 and a shrunken, slightly taller Vantage. It's a clean roadster design. The coupe has no provision for double kidneys, the roadster's windshield is slightly more curved, the trunk lip is far more rounded on the coupe, etc.
- Both mules appear to share the same taillights; a grafted-on circular LED array a la Ferrari. What this tells me is that they are meant to hide actual taillight designs, which are probably still in development by both parties. What this also tells me is that certain design cues -- both exterior and interior -- are likely being jointly worked on, such as the very-Toyota gauges and the very-BMW steering wheel and visible HVAC controls in the coupe mule.

Nice to see. Definitely a mule through and through. Though, has a coupe body so I'd have to say it's the Supra. This development will likely be the backbone for the Z5 coupe as well, though that will probably receive its own in house touches later. Literally doesn't matter at all whats inside or outside aside from the general shape/chassis. Love the folks saying since it has a F30 wheel it's the Z5.

The car will not look like the FT1, people got very confused with saying the FT1 was the next Supra when that never was stated by Toyota. The FT1 was just a concept that Toyota created to make buzz and show they could design such a car if they wanted. The FT1 would have cost more than the land cruiser to produce that's why it will never see the light of day.

As far as the Supra/Z5 partnership remember it will look like a BMW because... will it is. That's how these joint ventures work. The two brands will work on a blend on design, but since BMW ks providing the chassis their design cues will be more prominent.

As far as power plants, the low end 4 cylinder models will be powered by Toyota and the upgraded turbo 6 will be BMW.

- BMW's already unofficially stated that a coupe version of the Z5 is not going to be released immediately, alongside the roadster. What has been officially said is that to help keep the Supra and Z5 as distinct from each other as possible, the Z5 will be a roadster only, and the Supra will be a coupe only, at least for the initial production year of both.
- Exterior design details of the coupe shown differ significantly from the roadster. It's much more sculpted, much more organic, and much more, well, "Toyota" than the roadster, which reminds me of a cross between a stretched S2000 and a shrunken, slightly taller Vantage. It's a clean roadster design. The coupe has no provision for double kidneys, the roadster's windshield is slightly more curved, the trunk lip is far more rounded on the coupe, etc.
- Both mules appear to share the same taillights; a grafted-on circular LED array a la Ferrari. What this tells me is that they are meant to hide actual taillight designs, which are probably still in development by both parties. What this also tells me is that certain design cues -- both exterior and interior -- are likely being jointly worked on, such as the very-Toyota gauges and the very-BMW steering wheel and visible HVAC controls in the coupe mule.