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I will face my fear and let it pass through me.Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:56:26 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/Comment on Confessions of a Reformed InCel by Take To Taskhttps://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/comment-page-2/#comment-9695
Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:56:26 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9695I don’t consider myself “red pill” or anything like that, but I did learn something in my late 20s. If you’re the guy whose lap her head is in, you aren’t the shoulder she cries on (and I was the latter more times than not).

It’s different if you *want* to be her friend but, if you don’t, then make that aggressive move to not be that.

This is generally experienced as unpleasant because it is done alone, and no one want to have to believe in themselves, because then that means they become the arbiters of what is real and not real, etc.

People want to know their place, to be put in it, and validated (shaped), etc.[1]

But at 16 I had to do that, i.e. believe in myself for no reason, which made reality seem unreal

So I would be a called a MWHGHOW (or, a man who has gone his own way), as opposed to MGTOW (which is a collective of men, but each one goes for his own independent reasons, so it doesn’t really matter) (AKA, men going their own way)

But anyways the upshot, is that in the end I was somehow able to explain everything that had happened to me, and had happened to others, and was currently happening at that moment

There’s really a lot to write, but the last point is that:

Arbitrating what is real, means at some point becoming your own “God”, which means at some point creating yourself out of necessity, etc.

and,

Believing in yourself for no reason (other than necessity), is torturous because it makes other people unreal, and makes you less of a social animal, etc etc etc.

Really too much to write, so I’m going to have to leave it at that, sorry M3 for blowing up your comments thread.

Cheers,

JJ

1. See the Indominus Rex of “Jurassic World”

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Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:34:16 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9679Also, though it seemed at points that I could convince myself I was gay, I kept remembering the consistent fact that for all of my life (even prior to 16), I had only been attracted to women, and that my entire raison d’être for doing anything, was actually just to get laid:

and this included me learning breaking (like breakdancing), hip-hop, rapping, PUA, NLP, social skills, or even trying to become “enlightened” (keyword: special, so as to somehow circumvent the sexual vetting process and be given a benefit of a doubt, i.e. “you’re not like those guys”)

now because women have choice, they did not have to choose me (and they did not choose me)

but it’s important to acknowledge, that they “chose” not to choose me, i.e. they chose

and that there is no way around it, usually women will blame men for the reason why they “don’t like men”, and men will usually blame themselves for why women “don’t like men”, all the while failing to realize that: they have a choice

the reason men blame themselves is because they “do” things, I’m getting iffy here, although the real interaction may be entirely due to the fact that women are the vetters[0] for what (and thus ‘who’) gets into the gene pool, and that their instinct is infallible, the only problem is that their rationality and intelligence (that all human beings have), constantly butts up against their instinct[1]

but the end conclusion, seems to be the subversion of the instincts (which invalidate their own existence anyways, when exposed to rationality and intelligence), and the replacement of those with bodily intelligence or rationality, autonomy and free-will, etc.

0. the bouncers of the gene pool, the admissions panel, the “choosers”, the “deciders”, etc. the arbiters, the judges, etc. this is why older civilizations controlled women via force, to not let them actually exercise their right to choose, caveat, choice comes with the duty to choose correctly though, they seem to have not reached that point yet, though

1. This is why men have to become alphas, bad boys, aggressive, muscular men to bang women, because women want their instinctive whims or choices, even though rationally speaking, anyone who can hold a steady income and make authoritative decisions for a group of people is a far superior survival asset than just someone who lifts weights and negs girls, the irony of this is not lost on some: the red pill, and the seduction community[2]

2. You could often say that “men” have to become “what they are not”, to “get what they need”, for “who they are”, in other words they have to fulfill an absurd role, to fulfill their original needs, but somehow not forget who they originally were in the first place, etc.

Last thought:

Nice guys are actually correct: women should be choosing them, and so the real victory for nice guys, would be women realize that they “didn’t have a choice all along”, and really had to choose those guys (the first will be last and the last will be first, the meek shall inherit the earth etc)

Last thought, again:

Again, there’s a lot of misinformation out there about how nice guys, shouldn’t feel or feel etc. Here’s the truth: the way you feel is true (and justified, accurate, valid etc)[1]

If you feel: no one chooses me, sees me, sees my value, my worth, I’m such a great guy, no one chooses me etc.

You. Are. Correct.

Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise, once you subscribe to the notion that being desperate isn’t normal (the idea that you have to not want a woman to get a woman etc. It’s Catch-22, it’s also absurd logically because if that were the case, the no one would ever have anything that they want), then you subscribe to all the misinformation out there:

the tl;dr is that you’re basically right about everything, and they “should” have chosen you, or choose you, etc.

This is unfortunately what happened to me, at some point I convinced (or rather just caved in, to the notion thereof) myself that the women were correct about me,

That all my skills, personality traits, intelligence, kindness, warmth, any love I had to offer, my whole being or self wasn’t valid, because I wanted the woman, etc.

And then I convinced myself, that I couldn’t have her, etc. That they (women) are infallible judges, and always choose correctly, and that “those guys” that she chose are better than me, and less needy, etc.

Here’s the deal: women are pretty fallible, they are humans and they are needy too, so it’s important to realize that:

they’re opinion of you, and this especially applies if they don’t actually know you like you do, like your friends do, or your family does,

doesn’t actually matter at all (that would be like caring about the opinion of a complete stranger, which is in fact caring about the opinion of a woman who you don’t know well, and who doesn’t know you well, is)[2]

–quick summary of this section

Basically there was a lot of information, but since I was a male, I caved into the notion that women were infallible judges of reproductive value, and thus correct about everything, and had always thought that, because, that’s how evolution works (gotta get “past” the female, into the gene pool)

And so I believed people when they said: you don’t have any value, or you’re too needy, desperate, or trying too hard etc.

And I implicitly believed that almost sub current like notion or implication, that I was “wrong”, in “the wrong”, “creepy”, “bad” or needy etc. for wanting sex, or not having a sex life, or for “existing”, or wanting to get laid, or that I was not like “those guys”, who they chose etc.

i.e. that there was something categorically different about them, in comparison to me

But don’t believe any of that,

the journey for someone who isn’t validated by a fallible judge, is to eventually realize that we have to reinforce ourselves (even though you are correct that we shouldn’t have to), and to realize that they are actually wrong, because of what we perceive to be true, i.e. we are allowed to perceive the truth, and know what is true, etc.

and are not, not allowed to think that they are wrong, because they are “women” (a form of intellectual tyranny, that bars someone from allowing to think certain thoughts)

Last thought again, again:

Kind of trying to wind down here, but again, the journey just seems to be the releasing of the instincts, and thus the lack of dependence on a fallible judge (in this case women), for validation

Our genetic programming has us believe otherwise, but no, it’s not true: women are not infallible

and yes, their opinion of you, doesn’t count, because once again, they don’t know you

Anyways I’m tryna’ wind down at this point because my fingers are getting tired, but here’s a quick link to something that has influenced some of my thought:

in reference to the other things that have: Immanuel Kant, Christianity, the Bible, Islam, Buddhism, magick (Thelema), therapy, the Reich and Lowen tradition of psychotherapy, the red pill, the seduction community, and of course PUA, etc.

Cheerzzz,

JJ

1. This is just another way of saying the way you feel is valid, there are no invalid feelings, remember that denying someone a range of emotional expression or well-being, or in this case: denying someone can have that emotion, is a form of rape or abuse, and denies the integrity of the individual, i.e. that that person has needs, wants, and feelings, and feels the way they do, i.e. the injustice the person perceives is even real in the first place (hint: the injustice is actually real)

2. Why should I care what someone on the internet says to me? They don’t know me (that’s actually a valid thing to say by the way), why would I give a fuck? I wouldn’t.

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Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:05:10 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9678We seem to live in an interesting time in history, I’ve more or less missed (the train, the boat, etc) of my reproductive peak, or sexual prime, and so feel as if I’m doomed to wander some sort of wasteland for like 99+ years until (if, I ever) come home.

This is the stark reality, I haven’t read through all the comments above, but here is my personal experience:

*Around when I was 18 I started rapidly entering a phase of ‘heat’, and became desperate for a girlfriend, and/or to get laid, I was mentally ill for many years before, and had been on and off several different medications, plus my life was derailed due to several events that required to change my home etc etc.

Because of all that I had very little social contact for the first 2 years of my life (I start counting from 16, because I don’t remember being alive prior to being 16, long story),[1] since ‘I’ was only here temporarily, ‘I’ felt like I had a problem to fix

Since the traumatic series of events derailed my life, I had to catch up both socially and romantically (in terms of both those skills), whereas for others it seemed to have been smooth sailing

Since ‘I’ was actually here, I ended up being very jealous of any of other college students whose lives seemed to be a form of smooth sailing, requiring no effort, with almost instinctive self-regulation and living

For me everything was manual

Anyways by the time I had learned social skills (I had learned game, or PUA, via Neil Strauss, Mystery, Juggler, etc), I was fairly decent at talking, and was far more clairvoyant than other people

But since ‘I’ was here, I messed everything up, and about 3 years later, seemed to have lost all my libido, etc.

I’m 22 now, my constant waking experience is that of my testes dying, being pricked by needles, and losing their sperm, etc. They also feel empty and dry (like they’re filled with dust, or something)

I’m not sure how to put it into words, but getting laid was never the issue, and I never believed I could actually do it with ‘me’ here anyways (‘I’ always fuck everything up)

But essentially, the annoying part seems to be that I lost my chance to perform sexually at my peak 18‐22, but again that doesn’t actually bother me

Also, as others have reported, my libido actually seems to be mostly gone, but I’ve been reporting that since I was 15‐16, I’ve also been on and off several different SSRIs (Lexapro, Prozac, Pristiq, I also took Lorazepam and Abilify)

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Summary:

I’ve had many thoughts about the issue, and it often becomes religious for me, or psychonautic, involving Christianity, Islam, therapy, psychology (in the Reich and Lowen tradition, sometimes I feel like I’m a parasitic psychopath), magickal (I’ve thought that this was a ‘wasteland’ period), an afterlife, etc.

I’ve occasionally thought that I had actually died at 16 (in some metaphorical way), and was thus a ghost, etc.

But basically it involves this notion that because I’ve somehow: missed the train, I have to spent aeons wandering along a very roundabout path or trajectory, to ever even come home.

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Other thoughts:

It literally feels like my balls are being raped, like this entire ‘incel’ period feels like abuse to me, or some form of rape, because it’s involuntary, it feels like my very manhood, ‘me’, my children, ‘who i am’, is or are dying

My libido is dying, the dry period is messing with my head, occasionally I somehow manage to convince myself I was a homosexual all my life (even though I’ve only ever fantasized about having sex with women, both when I masturbate, and see them, etc.)

There’s a great period of being forlorn, destitute, in a wasteland, some form of dry desert, etc. It feels like I’ve missed an opportunity, a boat, a train, something I can ‘never’ get back, and must wander this longer roundabout path, arc, trajectory, to get home, etc.

I don’t doubt that I’ll eventually get home, it just sucks that I wasn’t able to fulfill any of those aims or objects (my reproductive prerogative or imperative)

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One last thought:

The spawn of this entire issue seems to be when my mind‐body process got out of wack or out of sync when I was 16, constantly, even though I was scrambling to juggle all the plates or get everything in order, it just kept getting bigger and bigger (the divide between the two things that were supposed to be in sync), until I was no longer able to control it

Occasionally I’ve also thought that by trying too hard to get laid, I didn’t succeed, but either way, I wouldn’t know, because I never actually got laid (so I never got to find out, I suppose)

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Footnote:

1. Essentially, some sort of trauma broke into my life, that forced ‘me’ to be here for the first time, and do everything manually, in other words, my body was out of sync with its drives and urges, so it created ‘me’ (an ego, as psychology would call it), to get me back on track

tl;dr

my life was derailed in adolescence, and I had to manually pick up the pieces

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Very, very, very, important thoughts:

In lieu of all the gays rights crap (sorry for using that word, I actually don’t care about what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, etc.) it would seem that it’s pertinent to mention some things:

*The sexual marketplace is currently very stratifying, by allowing women to ‘choose’ who they have sex with, and making it a woman’s ‘prerogative’ (we can discuss this can of worms later), we have effectively allowed them to dictate the future of the human race (in terms of evolution

*Because women have never actually chosen before, they haven’t discerned their reproductive duty (like Adam did when he was given the fruit from the tree of knowledge, he discerned what was right and wrong and the imperative to do what was right)

*blah blah blah, something about the government subsidizing women’s choices, and giving women free will, but also shelter from the consequences or results of their actions, decisions, and choices, i.e. through denying that they even choose in the first place (victimhood), through denying the “effect” (of sex), through contraception and abortion, etc.

*some form of can of worms argument, about how granting someone privilege, and freedom, means that the “cat’s out the bag”, or the “genie’s out the bottle”, or “Pandora’s box has been opened”, and now we have to grant everyone the same privileges and freedoms, because: why not? or, it would be hypocritical not to, etc. (see postmodernism and relativism: nothing is true, then anything can be true, and since nothing is true (there is no “truth”), then everything is “permitted”, etc. The historical Buddha said that someone who lied was capable of doing anything, the Itivuttaka)

*the sexual marketplace is the most dangerous place on earth, and since every man has sperm and wants to reproduce, they are all forced to be participants in it, though they are unwilling, it is painful because:

*you are literally laying your ‘self’, you being, your self worth, your value on the line, and hoping someone would choose, validate, judge, or consider you, and if no one does (or someone rejects you), it destroys your self, self worth, manhood, your sperm (your children, what ‘you’ have to offer the human race, in terms of the gene pool, genetically, etc.), your self-esteem, whether or not you’re normal, creepy or worth anything, or ‘bad’, etc.

In other words: you’re laying everything on the line, hoping someone will choose or validate you, and this is dangerous because:

although a person might lay some of their work on the line, it’s never the same as a man laying his balls on the line, literally what he has to offer the human race in terms of genetic modifications or advancements, it’s his very ‘self’ (or sense of self worth), which is why sex is so validating

There’s a lot to say, but ultimately women seem to be in a transition period, they still live according to their instincts, although rationally they perceive themselves as autonomous, and independent human beings, who have free will and thus rights and privileges, they still desire shelter from themselves,

but you cannot be both free and sheltered at the same time, meaning (as Karen Straughan says), women will at some point have to admit that they make choices, they decide, they are agents, and they choose, and thus all the ensuing “responsibilities” that come with that

Nice Guys are correct: women do have the duty to choose correctly, but a woman will always say: my body, my rights, and I don’t “have” to do anything, or am not “obligated” to do anything, but… *not sure what to put in this blank part here*

So because they’re in the transitional period, from previously being “not here” (as in children, with no free will or autonomy, etc.), they have yet to realize that their actions have a direct effect on the future of the human race, and that they cannot just “do whatever” they want, i.e. have both free will and rationality, but also instinctual living (living on one’s whims or desires, etc.)

i.e. they have a duty

And because they are in this transitional period, to becoming fully fledged adults or human beings, having been children before, they are “scared”, and thus perform all sorts of mental gymnastics (feminism), to justify their right to both be children (sheltered, with no responsibility), and adults, i.e. to be treated like one, and “given” autonomy (the right or ability to choose, also known as dignity), but not recognize the duty to make the right choices

In other words, if you want freedom, responsibility, and privilege, then you take the ensuing duties (want a man’s responsibility? you have to be a man, become a man, etc.)

With great power comes great responsibility, Spider-man

With absolute power, comes absolute responsibility, God

But it will likely be some time before they realize their own negligence, and denial of their agency (the fact that they choose to do things), is having an effect on both themselves and others

Also, Elliot Rodger, I am with you, I am so sorry you had to go through that, you didn’t die for nothing

Cheers,

JJ

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Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:01:54 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9675Just read The Telegraph article. While I sympathize with the writer, it is telling that it never once occurred to her, or many of the female respondents, that a man can experience the same feelings of loneliness. It is just assumed that a man has the wherewithal to keep approaching women, regardless of how many rejections he gets, should be willing to lower his standards, and he will eventually find someone.

42 & still alone.

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Wed, 24 Jun 2015 22:14:31 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9674The sole reason there aren’t a lot more male prostitutes and strippers is because MEN are too conceited to “submit” themselves to women. The majority of male prostitutes are gay, and ONLY sell themselves to other men. See, men have no problem surrendering themselves to the desires of other men, but God forbid if they were to give themselves over to women.

Another reason straight men refuse to be prostitutes is because they believe that only “fat” and “ugly” women will hire them, because they assume a “hot” woman will have no need to pay for sex. Again, these men are being judgmental douchebags by refusing to have sex with a woman they deem unattractive, even if they are getting paid to do it. Blame the lack of male prostitutes on the men who refuse to be prostitutes, not these imaginary women you think don’t want sex.

BTW I’m a 34-year-old FEMALE incel who has never had a boyfriend or had sex. EVER. And no, I am not “being picky.” Literally NO man ever shows interest in me. EVER. I know both men and women far fatter and uglier than me who have very fulfilling relationships, even happily married for years, so looks aren’t the issue either.

So before you go flapping your yap about how women don’t understand what it means to be incel, remember that there are just as many incel women as there are men, NOT counting those who whine about going a few weeks or months without sex. I have been to several forums and met several women, some nearly twice my age, who have either not been with a man in over a decade, or more commonly, never been with a man in their entire lives.

And before you say that it’s impossible for a woman to be incel because you think any woman can get laid if she simply lowers her standards enough, I will remind you that I have NEVER had a man interested in me. Not “I’ve never had a sexy man interested in me.” I’ve never had ANY man interested. EVER. There have been a couple of times were a guy seemed to show interest, and we met briefly a few times, but then he bolted before we could even share a first kiss. So obviously, NOT interested in me. They ditched me, not the other way around.

Also, if you still refuse to believe in incel women, go onto an incel forum and try to meet some of these women. It’s because of men judging them solely by their appearance that they remain incels, so basically, it’s YOUR fault. It’s also YOUR fault you’re an incel, because you are refusing to lower your ridiculous, evil standards and go out with a woman who isn’t a fucking supermodel.

Longing for a partner and wanting crippling loneliness to end is only printable if you are a female/feminist apparently.

This is why the Redpill reddit exists. This is why the sphere exists. This is why dudes get angry.

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Fri, 05 Jun 2015 03:22:48 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=83#comment-9661I thank you for writing this post, ive been around the sphere for a while but its always humbling to read another man´s endeavor with his life and come throught it better than before. Bookmarked this page.
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Thu, 04 Jun 2015 20:01:20 +0000http://whoism3.wordpress.com/?p=2700#comment-9659Maybe women need to ‘women up’ before we start trying prohibition on porn hmmm?