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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.\r\n I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

Just so you know you can't dictate who may or may not post in a thread or what they may or may not say so long as no one is breaking the rules. Nice try at censorship though.

[quote]No atheists and no insults please[/quote]\r\n\r\nJust so you know you can't dictate who may or may not post in a thread or what they may or may not say so long as no one is breaking the rules. Nice try at censorship though.

I've gotten this feeling from watching science fiction, or just looking at the stars in the sky. Was Xenu calling upon my soul?

Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples.

How do you know this weird feeling was Jesus and not something else?

He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him.

I'm pretty sure I've pointed out just how pointless this is. We have a being that's supposedly all powerful and all loving and such but can't forgive without having something or someone killed. That doesn't really make much sense at all.

Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith.

]In other words we don't know but we know. This is just a contradiction.

Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.

Feelings can be wrong, even good feelings. Your basis for believing in Christianity is no better then any other religion out there. They all claim faith as a basis and all have vastly varying views. If going by that weird feeling was at all accurate we would see much more consistent beliefs based on it.

No atheists and no insults please

Sorry thread is open game. And considering just how easily it seems to be able to insult Christians, I've probably already done that here.

[quote]I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI've gotten this feeling from watching science fiction, or just looking at the stars in the sky. Was Xenu calling upon my soul?\r\n\r\n[quote]Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHow do you know this weird feeling was Jesus and not something else?\r\n\r\n[quote]He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI'm pretty sure I've pointed out just how pointless this is. We have a being that's supposedly all powerful and all loving and such but can't forgive without having something or someone killed. That doesn't really make much sense at all.\r\n\r\n[quote]Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith.[/quote]\r\n]\r\nIn other words we don't know but we know. This is just a contradiction.\r\n[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/atheistjokes/understanding.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\n[quote]Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.[/quote]\r\n\r\nFeelings can be wrong, even good feelings. Your basis for believing in Christianity is no better then any other religion out there. They all claim faith as a basis and all have vastly varying views. If going by that weird feeling was at all accurate we would see much more consistent beliefs based on it. \r\n\r\n[quote]No atheists and no insults please[/quote]\r\n\r\nSorry thread is open game. And considering just how easily it seems to be able to insult Christians, I've probably already done that here.

The only thing I was thankful for in your post was you didn't say he died for everyone sins and that it's all our fault.

Was Xenu calling upon my soul?

Wasn't the alien soul within you?

[quote]the sins of everyone [b]who[/b] believes in him.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThe only thing I was thankful for in your post was you didn't say he died for everyone sins and that it's all our fault.\r\n\r\n[quote]Was Xenu calling upon my soul?[/quote]\r\n\r\nWasn't the alien soul within you?

but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples.

How exactly did he call upon your soul? Did he actually speak to you or were you just feeling a good vibe?

Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.

What do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?

So I'm just wondering why did you choose to start believing in him anyways? So you feel like you have a free pass for anything wrong you might do?

[quote]but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples.[/quote]\r\n\r\nHow exactly did he call upon your soul? Did he actually speak to you or were you just feeling a good vibe?\r\n\r\n[quote]Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhat do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?\r\n\r\nSo I'm just wondering why did you choose to start believing in him anyways? So you feel like you have a free pass for anything wrong you might do?

Atheists... C'mon guys you are being childish. You like to believe that you know what you're talking about, but in reality, all of you guys act like kids with all these comments like "I once felt something, but it was gas"

What do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?

You can't really deny science. But to many, you can't deny religion. So you live with both. It's common sense.

Atheists... C'mon guys you are being childish. You like to believe that you know what you're talking about, but in reality, all of you guys act like kids with all these comments like "I once felt something, but it was gas" [quote]What do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?[/quote] You can't really deny science. But to many, you can't deny religion. So you live with both. It's common sense.

actually Jesus died for the sins of the entire humanity, past or future, it's just those who have accepted that he died for their own sins and believed, follow him. That's why many people say "He died on the cross for the sins of everyone who believes in him", instead of "for everyone's sins".

It's a good thing that you employ your mind in what you call "struggles", and that you say "still". See, the devil doesn't want a soul to flee from him, so he uses our weaknesses to make us have doubts about Christ, this is hard to overcome but it's quite possible. Do persevere, and may the light of God guide you to heaven.

thepyro22\r\n\r\nactually Jesus died for the sins of the entire humanity, past or future, it's just those who have accepted that he died for their own sins and believed, follow him. That's why many people say "He died on the cross for the sins of everyone who believes in him", instead of "for everyone's sins". \r\n\r\nIt's a good thing that you employ your mind in what you call "struggles", and that you say "still". See, the devil doesn't want a soul to flee from him, so he uses our weaknesses to make us have doubts about Christ, this is hard to overcome but it's quite possible. Do persevere, and may the light of God guide you to heaven.

He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.

Sounds like a lot of stories I hear on the news today. People are killed, maimed, tortured and carry burdens, and yet there is no divine intervention. Your god isn't much for helping the oppressed is he?

Also, as the historian of this happy little community on AG I'd like to point out Jesus of Nazareth was in fact a real person. However, they suspect he was a schizophrenic who believed he was the son of Yahweh aka Jewish God (yes I know they're the same). And had to die to prove his love for him. Consequences that followed sparked an entire new religion. Yay martyrdom!

This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.

Allow me to pull a quote from my own characters to sum up my feelings about this statement.

"Ten thousand soldiers will die in vain for their cause and no one will be moved. A single man will die and entire nations will bow and scrape before those who come after him, claiming divine word. Don't speak to me of righteousness." - Travis Kentworth

Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.

Faith is just another excuse for ignorance. Ignorance is just another excuse for crimes. Claim they are righteous and you will be forgiven.

As such I leave you to ponder something. Every religious person I encounter acts as if they are defined by god. What if the god does not define you, but you define the god?

What if, assuming God is real, God is defined by the actions of his followers. Therefore, indifferent, cruel, ignorant, and with only sparks of compassion and kindness.

[quote]He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.[/quote]\r\n\r\nSounds like a lot of stories I hear on the news today. People are killed, maimed, tortured and carry burdens, and yet there is no divine intervention. Your god isn't much for helping the oppressed is he?\r\n\r\nAlso, as the historian of this happy little community on AG I'd like to point out Jesus of Nazareth was in fact a real person. However, they suspect he was a schizophrenic who believed he was the son of Yahweh aka Jewish God (yes I know they're the same). And had to die to prove his love for him. Consequences that followed sparked an entire new religion. Yay martyrdom!\r\n\r\n[quote]This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.[/quote]\r\n\r\nAllow me to pull a quote from my own characters to sum up my feelings about this statement.\r\n\r\n"Ten thousand soldiers will die in vain for their cause and no one will be moved. A single man will die and entire nations will bow and scrape before those who come after him, claiming divine word. Don't speak to me of righteousness." - Travis Kentworth\r\n\r\n[quote]Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.[/quote]\r\n\r\nFaith is just another excuse for ignorance. Ignorance is just another excuse for crimes. Claim they are righteous and you will be forgiven.\r\n\r\nAs such I leave you to ponder something. Every religious person I encounter acts as if they are defined by god. What if the god does not define you, but you define the god?\r\n\r\nWhat if, assuming God is real, God is defined by the actions of his followers. Therefore, indifferent, cruel, ignorant, and with only sparks of compassion and kindness.

Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith.

Do not feed me crap and tell me what my limitations are. I know more of what I'm capable of than you.

Atheists... C'mon guys you are being childish. You like to believe that you know what you're talking about, but in reality, all of you guys act like kids with all these comments like "I once felt something, but it was gas"

Don't try and make us look childish. I'm being aggressive, yeah, because on the other thread "Atheism FTW" I'm taking another step (comical relief to be fair), but in the end the childish thing of religion is ignorance and the fact that you feel safe with an almighty awesome God >.>That is childish, not saying it's a bad way of childish, there are certainly pro's, but it is NOTTHETRUTH

You can't really deny science. But to many, you can't deny religion. So you live with both. It's common sense.

The only difference is there is proof for Science, whereas trying to prove Religion (or asking someone else to) only results in an attempted speech made to confuse you, whereas really they do not know what they're talking about.

What if, assuming God is real, God is defined by the actions of his followers. Therefore, indifferent, cruel, ignorant, and with only sparks of compassion and kindness.

Makes sense, it can kind of be seen how he'd be forgiven for making this rubbish people call life. Why's it bad?Look what I've spent my time doing. :P

Sorry thread is open game. And considering just how easily it seems to be able to insult Christians, I've probably already done that here.

Happens for everything religious.If you name a teddy Muhammad you face jail time, true story if I remember right.Unless the punishment was worse.

But it is very dire, religious people get hurt so badly over their beliefs and I cannot believe they think they are just for being so soft (hell I'm not a "hard-kid" but I do know to stfu and take it).

Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.

So you feel it in your heart?

Bad idea. The heart is an involuntary and vital muscle, nothing more. The brain, something some religious people (and myself) need to use a bit more is where things are directed from.

Mostly, anyway.

What do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?So I'm just wondering why did you choose to start believing in him anyways? So you feel like you have a free pass for anything wrong you might do?

Sounds like cowardice to me.

If you throw away your belief under that basis, especially being a formerly logical person, I despise you, so, so much. I can see with many situations kids are born into a religious family and it is helplessly seeded into them, making an unbreakable will in the future, but if you grew up ATHEIST, then how can you not STAY ATHEIST?

With that, I will do 4 things:1) Call BS on that story.2) Call cowardice if said story is true.3) Question your sanity and of course,4) Question how you was actually raised.

Why for No.4? Because you don't seem to have been brought up logically, and that is a severe, stupid flaw, because Atheism (and Pantheism etc) is based on logical and scientific understanding. Saying what you believe happened (a big boom) without explanation (whilst we can't explain that part in particularly, but many others) is no better than religion.

No atheists and no insults please

I'm not an Atheist. I'm nothing, to my knowledge? Why? Because I developed my own character. And hell, I've mentioned videos that essentially contradict what I just said but self-awareness certainly makes the difference and dangit, I was making sure I done the right thing - it wasn't the case of logic etc, it was a simple case of having a reason (a good one) for everything I do.

- H

[quote]Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith.[/quote]\r\nDo not feed me crap and tell me what my limitations are. I know more of what I'm capable of than you.\r\n\r\n[quote]Atheists... C'mon guys you are being childish. You like to believe that you know what you're talking about, but in reality, all of you guys act like kids with all these comments like "I once felt something, but it was gas" [/quote]\r\nDon't try and make us look childish. I'm being aggressive, yeah, because on the other thread "Atheism FTW" I'm taking another step (comical relief to be fair), but in the end the childish thing of religion is ignorance and the fact that you feel safe with an almighty awesome God >.>\r\nThat is childish, not saying it's a bad way of childish, there are certainly pro's, but it is NOT\r\nTHE\r\nTRUTH\r\n\r\n[quote]You can't really deny science. But to many, you can't deny religion. So you live with both. It's common sense.[/quote]\r\nThe only difference is there is proof for Science, whereas trying to prove Religion (or asking someone else to) only results in an attempted speech made to confuse you, whereas really they do not know what they're talking about.\r\n\r\n[quote]What if, assuming God is real, God is defined by the actions of his followers. Therefore, indifferent, cruel, ignorant, and with only sparks of compassion and kindness.[/quote]\r\nMakes sense, it can kind of be seen how he'd be forgiven for making this rubbish people call life. \r\nWhy's it bad?\r\nLook what I've spent my time doing. :P\r\n\r\n[quote]Sorry thread is open game. And considering just how easily it seems to be able to insult Christians, I've probably already done that here.[/quote]\r\nHappens for everything religious.\r\nIf you name a teddy Muhammad you face jail time, true story if I remember right.\r\nUnless the punishment was worse.\r\n\r\nBut it is very dire, religious people get hurt so badly over their beliefs and I cannot believe they think they are just for being so soft (hell I'm not a "hard-kid" but I do know to stfu and take it).\r\n\r\n[quote]Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart.[/quote]\r\nSo you feel it in your heart?\r\n\r\nBad idea. The heart is an involuntary and vital muscle, nothing more. \r\nThe brain, something some religious people (and myself) need to use a bit more is where things are directed from.\r\n\r\nMostly, anyway.\r\n\r\n[quote]What do you possibly have to gain from it besides hopes for an afterlife? You said you grew up Atheist, are you just throwing away your beliefs in logic so you wont screw up any chance you have of going to heaven when you die? Like just in case it is all real you will be guaranteed into heaven?\r\nSo I'm just wondering why did you choose to start believing in him anyways? So you feel like you have a free pass for anything wrong you might do?[/quote]\r\nSounds like cowardice to me.\r\n\r\nIf you throw away your belief under that basis, especially being a formerly logical person, I despise you, so, so much. I can see with many situations kids are born into a religious family and it is helplessly seeded into them, making an unbreakable will in the future, but if you grew up ATHEIST, then how can you not STAY ATHEIST?\r\n\r\nWith that, I will do 4 things:\r\n1) Call BS on that story.\r\n2) Call cowardice if said story is true.\r\n3) Question your sanity and of course,\r\n4) Question how you was actually raised.\r\n\r\nWhy for No.4? Because you don't seem to have been brought up logically, and that is a severe, stupid flaw, because Atheism (and Pantheism etc) is based on logical and scientific understanding. Saying what you believe happened (a big boom) without explanation (whilst we can't explain that part in particularly, but many others) is no better than religion. \r\n\r\n[quote]No atheists and no insults please[/quote]\r\nI'm not an Atheist. I'm nothing, to my knowledge? Why? Because I developed my own character. And hell, I've mentioned videos that essentially contradict what I just said but self-awareness certainly makes the difference and dangit, I was making sure I done the right thing - it wasn't the case of logic etc, it was a simple case of having a reason (a good one) for everything I do.\r\n\r\n - H

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