So, in your esteemed opinion, the "illuminati" as a group of elite satanists/shadow government/aliens/etc... does not exist, correct? But that this
"group" is merely a bit of fiction driven by class envy and fantasy?

fantasy mostly. People hate to think they are to blame for any problems in life and must find a scapegoat. Why not a fictional group? Much better
then accepting responsibility and fixing things yourself.

However you believe that Illuminati did exist at one time (i.e. Adam Weishaupt's group) but died out....likely due to persecution by government
and church leaders. Have I summed up your interpretation correctly?

exactly. There is a very slim chance that some faction exists still, but they have done a very good job at keeping secret and not doing anything that
draws attention to themselves, which should serve as proof that they are defunct. They were not patient in the past.

Do you believe that there is any group - secret society or otherwise - who carries on the ideals of the original Bavarian Illuminati? If so, what and
why?

I don't think so. The power of the church is paramount. It has not had as much impact on life in the last 10 years or so, at least not in the open.
But the Vatican and Vatican City are still extremely wealthy and have a strong following. Looking at history, who has been the tyrant in most cases?

There was a group in the central east a few hundred years ago called the Roshaniya (translates as Illuminated), they had a number of secret signs of
recognition and swore obedience to the brotherhood with their lives.

They had a saying that anyone outside of the brotherhood was their prey, worth nothing as they were not enlightened. Even in death a member was still
chained to the brotherhood.

When a member died they continued servitude with the group spiritually, or so goes the belief. Kill them and only make them stronger as the ghosts of
the dead brotherhood aided them.

Their leader called himself 'Pir Roshan' which translates as apostle of light, he made a grab for power when he made his brotherhood basically
appear out of nowhere overnight as an army with ambition to take over the area they were active in. Heaps of sleepers everywhere.

For these acts he was given the name, by his enemies of course, the apostle of darkness. An army was raised against him and ended up defeating and
killing him and destroying the Roshaniya brotherhood.

So there you go, a secret society called the illuminated, with an apostle of light/darkness, with a secret army, taking over the world and hating on
normal peoples. In the history books, you can research it pretty easily too

I am pretty proud of the fact I traced family history back and found my forefathers battled against this group and were commended for their bravery in
battle, essentially being the tip of the spear which brought these guys down

According to adherents of Kabbalah, the origin of Kabbalah begins with the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible). According to Midrash, God created the universe
with "Ten utterances" or "Ten qualities." When read by later generations of Kabbalists, the Torah's description of the creation in the Book of Genesis
reveals mysteries about the godhead itself, the true nature of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree
of Life, as well as the interaction of these supernal entities with the Serpent which leads to disaster when they eat the forbidden fruit, as recorded
in Genesis 2.

The Bible provides ample additional material for mythic and mystical speculation. The prophet Ezekiel's visions in particular attracted much
speculation, as did Isaiah's Temple vision (Chapter 6). Jacob's vision of the ladder to heaven is another text providing an example of a mystical
experience. Moses' experience with the Burning bush and his encounters with God on Mount Sinai, are all evidence of mystical events in the Tanakh, and
form the origin of Jewish mystical beliefs.

Jewish mystical traditions always appeal to an argument of authority based on antiquity. As a result, virtually all works pseudepigraphically claim or
are ascribed ancient authorship. For example, Sefer Raziel HaMalach, an astro-magical text partly based on a magical manual of late antiquity, Sefer
ha-Razim, was, according to the kabbalists, transmitted to Adam (after being evicted) by the angel Raziel. Another famous work, the Sefer Yetzirah,
supposedly dates back to the patriarch Abraham. According to Apocalyptic literature, esoteric knowledge, such as magic, divination, and astrology, was
transmitted to humans in the mythic past by the two angels, Aza and Azaz'el (in other places, Azaz'el and Uzaz'el) who 'fell' from heaven (see Genesis
6:4).

Moses was "enlightened" by the presence of God, his countenance was too bright to behold. The illuminati is not the NWO nor any self proclaimed
group. Their control is an ability to cause some things to start and to cause others to stop. Just my opinion.

The antiquity of the site is amazing considering the complexity of the advanced culture shown by the site. How do you explain such an advanced culture
11,000 years ago?

There is no obvious explanation for a high culture existing in Upper Mesopotamia at the end of the last Ice Age, when the rest of the world was still
populated by hunter-gathering communities concerned with day-to-day survival, and little more. However, these faceless individuals, known to
archaeologists as the Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) peoples, created some of the most mesmeric art in the ancient world, which would not be bettered for
thousands of years.

I suspect that the proposed priestly or shamanic-based ruling elite entered the region and came across a basic hunter-gathering society ripe for
change at the end of the last Ice Age, and so they simply engineered their transition into settled farming communities. Elevated sites such as
Göbekli Tepe and Nevali Çori became their civil and ceremonial nerve centers, all as part of the so-called Neolithic revolution or explosion which
eventually began here, before spreading out across the Eurasian continent.

It is my belief that the trafficking between the suspected ruling elite and the peoples of Upper Mesopotamia is the story found in the Book of Enoch,
where beings called Watchers are said to have gone amongst mortal kind giving them the forbidden arts and sciences of heaven. These were said to have
included the use of herbs and plants, metallurgy, the fashioning of weapons, female beautification, and astronomy, many of the firsts accredited to
the Early Neolithic world in Upper Mesopotamia.

Eh, they aren't so special really, though they do exist. Call them the bankers, corporate owners, the church, the ________ (fill in the blank.) If
you wanted to profile them, you could say they are all members of secret, elite, occult groups hellbent on control and profiteering. Well, with all
the hearsay going around they aren't so secretive.

Yet, these 'illuminated' individuals are only small potatoes. Their studies on mind control and metaphysics makes managing society relatively easy.
However, they all preform rituals and bow to an outside source. Yes, authority exists above the Illuminati. Something that is teaching them these
tricks of the trade, something that has a godly presence.

i just wrote a 14 page paper on the illuminati for my english final. i didnt find any evidence for an illuminati in existence today. if there is an
illuminati you wont ever find out about it. anyway tracing through history it would seem the bavarian illuminati was active at the same time as the
freemasons and was preceeded by freemasonry, which sprang out of roscicrucianism, which itself sprang from the ancient greeks and pythagorean systems,
which in turn was preceeded by many mystery schools of the ancient world, egyptians babylonians, etc. the end result is freemasons and roscicrucians
and martinists, etc. people teaching that there is another way to look at the spiritual world other than what is taught in the churches. i didnt find
anything leading me to believe they were/are about devil worship and aliens or witchcraft. witchcraft even though it gets a bad name because of the
history behind witches, it can actually be lumped into the esoteric along with the other groups i mentioned. they all just want everyone to live
peacefully and be at one with nature aka the unseen world. unseen doesnt mean you cant see it, just means no one pays attention. how many of you
actually take time to look at the grass as you step on it and think about whats causing it to grow, whats behind life itself and causes it to grow? no
one hardly right? thats all esotericism is, acknowledging that there is more to life than just what we see and trying to get in tune with that power
and use it to make a better world. nothing i read was self fulfilling, it was all about releasing people from the tyranny of the church and kings and
being free and united. if you look up the bavarian illuminati you will see it was against the teachings of the church from the beginning which is why
they had to be stopped. cant have anyone going against the authority of the church and teaching that there is another way to talk to god directly
without having to go through a priest who needs your money to send a prayer through to god for you. thats most likely who jesus was and why he was
killed. a guy telling you you dont need the church/govt (its one in the same, always has been still is now) to go to god. what kind of dictator wants
someone in the streets telling the people they dont need him to rules their lives, of course he's gonna be assassinated like anyone else who would
challenge a dictatorship.

You forgot interdimensional beings possessing humans. They can jump around alot and go undetected.. Every once and awhile you take a picture of a
humanbeing with one of these entities on board that you can visibly capture it. Its in their eyes and demeanors.

They are somewhat hard to witness without the camera because the camera deals with spectrums of LIGHT-illumined-illuminati etc. Reason you cant see it
when they are animated say in an interview or press conference. The camera has filters yes...but the human mind filters are rather off because of many
factors...emotions for one. The camera doesnt have morals, values, emotions.

...of course its too hard to believe...why do you think it works and they continue with the plans. Ever wonder why no one can really seem to identify
the ILLUMINATI besides being vague about it assigning it to bankers, 13 bloodlines, the wealthy, the jews, the vatican, the masons etc?

I could show you more physical examples but I'm considered nuts so I will play along with that. Doesnt make me any difference what happens or what ya
think. I simply call it as it is. You do with it what you want. Its the beauty of freewill.

such a shame that a post like this is a rarity on this site. Where the motto is deny ignorance and one would assume that people here would try to
learn about which they speak, before typing, but no, only a select few will actually do the research. I would love to read your paper on the subject.
Thanks for a very good post.

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