. . . Federal LAWSUITS about these out of state behaviors at least have the potential to redefine the law to affect Californians. Since they have that potential, many Federal Circuit Court of Appeals cases, and some lower Federal District Court cases, DO belong in 2A

Gun control stories for other countries also go to Off Topic. Australia, England, wherever - no effect on California.

2) Things that don't exist yet leave us nothing to talk about. No one can predict the future.

I propose that once an out of state law is passed the discussion regarding the legal challenge occur here, especially if it is filed or going to be filed in federal court.

I agree with keeping the "what if" conversations to a minimum, but it looks likely that some state or two is going to push their laws too far with the end result being a trip to SCOTUS. That certainly *can* affect us here.

. . . Federal LAWSUITS about these out of state behaviors at least have the potential to redefine the law to affect Californians.

meant, but to be more explicit, modified to

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. . . Federal LAWSUITS about these out of state behaviors at least have the potential to redefine the law to affect Californians. Since they have that potential, many Federal Circuit Court of Appeals cases, and some lower Federal District Court cases, DO belong in 2A

__________________Once again, we're in CA Bill Season.

There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

Let us simply oppose them all - write, call, attend meetings with legislators and tell them they're wrong.

How about a non-CA 2A sub-forum? I really try to avoid OT most of the time, but I do want to follow out of state items that have relevance 2A. Include the fact that OT threads get moved down several pages within hours can make following certain threads difficult at best.

I'm much more interested in the fight of NY, IL, MD etc. than I am about Onion Rings.

ETA: It's pretty clear 2013 is going to be a busy 2A year across the country and the threads will just keep coming.

I was about to suggest the same as tba02. I think the point of eliminating them from this thread makes sense, so we can sort through the legit issues related to CA... but moving them to the OT forum will have the same problem there for the issues we do want to find.

So things that are gun related, but generally not politics or incidents of use or legal issues are usually there. Allowing for our current state of alarm, what's there now (haven't looked this morning!) is about the norm.

__________________Once again, we're in CA Bill Season.

There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

Let us simply oppose them all - write, call, attend meetings with legislators and tell them they're wrong.

With returned respect, I reiterate that this is a California based forum, and the laws of other states should be a secondary consideration - we have ample problems of our own, and despite years of denial, in susceptible states California law has metastasized.

That is not to say things in other states should be ignored; but look at the NY, MA and VT threads that exist now. They're falling off the front page. The specific behaviors of out of state politicians are no doubt part of a wider movement - but the movement is being applied at the individual state level; the details in other places really do not matter to California.

__________________Once again, we're in CA Bill Season.

There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

Let us simply oppose them all - write, call, attend meetings with legislators and tell them they're wrong.

The way these new (relativity to me) rules are working out, most gun related discussion is ending up in Off Topic, which is a place I usually try to avoid like the plague. Off Topic is replete with vile and vicious threads which are counter to a sense of community. I'd like to go somewhere and discuss my similar interests (guns, gun laws, and gun related issues) without having to listen to the insanity that thrives in OT.

Why not direct people to General Gun Discussion, and when mods move threads, move them to GGD?

The way these new (relativity to me) rules are working out, most gun related discussion is ending up in Off Topic, which is a place I usually try to avoid like the plague. Off Topic is replete with vile and vicious threads which are counter to a sense of community. I'd like to go somewhere and discuss my similar interests (guns, gun laws, and gun related issues) without having to listen to the insanity that thrives in OT.

Why not direct people to General Gun Discussion, and when mods move threads, move them to GGD?

I second this even though I've been posting them in OT.....

The current "official" description of OT from the page when you're starting a new thread (like the one I just posted about Stallone coming out for a new federal AWB): "The 'off topic' discussion lounge Discuss non firearm related topics with other members." (underlining added)

Or CGN needs to change that description of OT.

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I love how peirce morgan is such a d bag he had to be mentioned by name lol Should this thread be made a sticky? or into the thread post rules? I also have a sugestion for a new thread form how about things relating to the constatution thread so not particualry 2a issue but a constatution issue and it doesnt have to be just for calie since thats a federal law.