How's it look? Got a question about it, too. I notice that the contracted -ῶν and uncontracted -έων are alternative endings for the genitive plural. How common are each of the endings? Do we need to learn them all? What about the alternative -ῇς ending for the dative plural?

jaihare wrote:For those in our study group, I think it might be worthwhile to point out the interesting connection between the dative forms. Notice that all of them have ῃ in the termination.

(singular) δεινῇ > (dual) δεινῇιν > (plural) δεινῇσι

Ooh. For the dual the dative and genitive forms are identical. I wouldn't read too much into that similarity. And one major recent edition of the Iliad (West's Teubner), on the basis of epigraphic evidence, spells the plural dative without the iota subscript, -ησι.

Ivansalgadogarcia wrote:I didn't understand as well the book order, the "lesson I" is just an introduction?

Yes, Lesson I is called "Introductory." The first assignment in the book (§1) is to learn the alphabet and its sounds. Pharr gives the Erasmian pronunciation. A presentation of the reconstructed pronunciation can be found here. I don't know if people think there is a need to learn one way or the other, but it's good to have both options. I think, as long as you can read it and make sense of it (no matter the pronunciation), that's good. I'll let others comment other ways.

However, for this thread, we're practicing the first noun declension, which begins in Lesson III (§8). Lay it out for us!!

The contracted form of the genitive plural it's very frequent, I've read it in Hesiod maybe twice in the first lines. , however, I didn't realized that plural dative was almost the same in the masculine and feminine.

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** Notice the accent on the indicated forms.Welcome to the practice! Isn't it fun!?!

The contracted form of the genitive plural it's very frequent, I've read it in Hesiod maybe twice in the first lines. , however, I didn't realized that plural dative was almost the same in the masculine and feminine.

Do you mean in the first and second declensions?

I'm used to the Koine, so I don't know the dative plural ending yet. I think of it as -αις in the first declension and -οις in the second. Now I'm learning -ῃσι and -ῃς for the first declension. I haven't looked at the second declension forms yet. I've just started looking at the present tense verb in -ω, adding the dual forms (-ετον) to my memory. I'm used to the others, since they are identical to those of the Koine.

Thanks for the observations on accents!! What about the masculines of the first declension?

αἰχμητήςαἰχμητᾶωαἰχμητῇαἰχμητήναἰχμητά

αἰχμητάαἰχμητῇιναἰχμητῇιναἰχμητάαἰχμητά

αἰχμηταίαἰχμητάωναἰχμητῇσι, -ῇςαἰχμητάςαἰχμηταἰ

It's so similar to Koiné, except by the plural dative, form that now I recognize, hehehe , paragraph 675 on book is very interesting about the vocatives, however, this form is easy to recognize by context.

ἀδελφέ μου, I've been here everyday (throughout the day, whenever I get time), and I don't see posts from you.

I'm also pleased by the similarity (thus far) to the Koine. On my own, I've been working slowly (yet excitedly), and I did section 22 today. I want to make up some vocab cards to carry with me as I go. In the meantime, I'm also making up a paradigm spreadsheet with noun declensions and verb conjugations as we go along. Hopefully I'll keep that up. It may be really useful in the future.

Regards,ΙΑΣΩΝ(I put it in all caps 'cause it looks better. Ἰάσων just doesn't have the aesthetic appeal that ΙΑΣΩΝ has!)

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