>>101670333
>Turns out Satsuki's memory was manipulated as possibly hinted from her recollection conflicting with Soroi's.>She had incorrectly believed Ragyo killed her father, leading her to pushing Ragyo away as a child and isolating her>Ragyo went full humans are pigs because she lost her husband and her daughter closed her heart to her.

She was making those suits her husband wore, so she obviously has some feelings..

>>101671402
If I had to form a theory based only on what we know and the translation for Blumenkranz, I'd say it was more like she tried to use the life fibers to fight against the original life fiber, but was corrupted by overexposure.

>>101669764
Ragyo pls go. You've already done everything you could to help her reach even farther than perfection by giving her 2x purity and now you serve no purpose to my precious Satsuki-sama. Now fuck off.

>>101669764
Satsuki finally acted right.
Ragyo is a fucking bitch, a crazy and actually evil old hag, who even used Nui to take all the heat for her own desires.
I hope they will kill Ragyo, or better yet I hope Nui will.

>>101683724
I don't think they will get their ass kicked with struggling a little bit, but seeing how Nui toyed Sanageyama i don't think they will win, unless satsuki pull out a secret weapon/plan or mohawk guy use his super fist/knife.

>>101685934>>101685950>>101685997
Not him, but they teach this shit in the military and police forces. Even Snake knows the truth and he has to deal with insane super-humans all the time.
If you disagree with it you're already an idiot and I'll destroy that messed up illusion of yours.

Satsuki's sneak attack was probably one of the biggest strategic blunders I have ever seen in anime, and that is saying something.

Not only does she fail to strike before everyone gets Life Fiber'd, she centers her entire force within a stadium--that the enemy is already inside of. She then stabs her mother in the back, which, granted would work in real life, but has left her more than likely unharmed for the most part. She then uses her Four Generals of her army to engage an enemy we know will beat them in straight fight, to engage her in a straight fight. So she is left with having no army, no generals, and her mother completed her plan. Her attack didn't do shit.

Her fortress is irrelevant because the enemy is already inside, her army is life fiber'd, the generals that need to lead her army are currently fighting an enemy they cannot defeat, and she is left alone to face her mother and Rei, with the (non) advantage of having stabbed her in the back once. Her mother, disregarding all the blood flying everywhere for dramatic effect, hardly looks injured. She is still able to talk and smirk. Nui looks unconcerned. Rei gave no shits.
I think Satsuki is about to get her shit slapped. Hard. I mean god damn, I thought only Carthage could fuck up a military campaign this bad.

>>101687672
Where is the military in all of this anyway?
I'd think at least the US military would stick their nose into this business the second it cropped up. Those fuckers are on anything that could be a threat to their employment the very second they become aware of it, and they become aware of things very quickly. It's the same for Russia too. There's no way in hell Germany conquered both Russia and America.

One thing I don't understand is that the backstory tells us that Life Fibers are supposed to be the monolith that stimulated our evolution to what we are now.

This means releasing them once again will only advance and farther evolve the human race, why is that a bad thing considering the Life Fibers only require small amounts of bodily fluids in compensation?

>>101687672
Life fibers appear to lack species loyalty, and are thoroughly whipped within Satsuki's domain. We know the celebration uniforms were made with knowledge of Ragyo, and clearly didn't turn the spectators into the monsters Ragyo intended. The fight is rather equal, but only because Nue and Ragyo are hax; the position of NB and Ryuuko will determine how it resolves.

>>101687876>Where is the military in all of this anyway?
Military forces wear uniforms.
Uniforms are clothes.
Clothes are made by REVOCS.

>>101688095
It's funny that you post Cars. Since Life Fibres are very similar to the Pillar Men in mentality.

Pillar Men eat the life force of humans to survive. They created the masks to speed human evolution and make vampires. Vampires fill themselves up with the life force of hundreds of humans, then the Pillar Men get all that energy in one big slurp instead of dozens of little ones.

The Life Fibres were cultivating humanity, pushing it through evolution to increase population and maximize their effect. Once everyone is plump and wearing life fiber infused clothes they would eat us.

It's the same reason we get pigs and cows nice and fat, to produce more meat.

>>101689083
Well yeah, that's the whole thing.
She repetedly told Mako and Ryuuko that people are pigs in human clothing, yet the only time she smiled was when Mako proved that Ragyou's ideology is wrong.

>>101688550>protect her brother
You know, Mako really hasn't had much interaction with her family. Even when they're all on screen together, Ryuuko interacts with them way, way more.
What the fuck is that about?

>>101688095
clothing represent society and social progress. As society continues to progress, its influence gets stronger and limits human agency. Ultimately this progress will lead us away from a sustainable life and it will consume or destroy us, whether through nuclear warfare or virtualization or self inflicted disease or whatever.

So uh, I'm happy for Satsuki and all. Good that she's free of her mothers clutches and all that but Episode 18 is going to be about Ryuuko returning all the favors she owes Satsuki for all the training and the protection from Nui and whatnot, isn't it?

>>101692762
More addicting than fat old man cock in doujins. Except Nui will never give it to her again, diving Satsuki crazy and causing her to drown herself in cocks to try and fill satiate her hunger for Nui's semen.

>>101686012
This, you give things of your free will, not because you expect them to be returned. Anyone who gives to their children expecting their children to remain subservient to them, is an awful parent.

>>101693166
I wouldn't go that far. If I provide my child with everything at the very least I expect gratitude. The anon you're responding to's point is that gratitude shouldn't be an excuse to let your mother become a malevolent omnicidal maniac

>>101693424
Gratitude is also something given of free will. It's not a binding contract, like if I gave you a month's worth of food I would expect you to be grateful, but you would not have to give me food when I needed it. It's the same kind of idea, even if it's a halfassed example.

>>101693490
Well then I disagree. You can be grateful to someone and still realize they need to be stopped from doing something fucked up. And a parent can provide stuff to a child with its life and expect some gratitude in return.

>>101693868
Society isn't an inherently bad thing, I'll have to disagree with you on that. But an individual's free will is a hell of a lot more important than the wishes of their parents. When the hell did 4chan get filled with people that don't want to disobey mom and dad?

>>101693947
I never said it was a bad thing, I believe that people should have enough will and determination to decide whether they wish to abide by the customs of society or not, instead of just going with the flow and not even considering it.

People who think that children are obligated to play a subservient role in their parents' lives are idiots who have not yet grown up to realize that they are in fact their own people.

>>101693992
It doesn't come from life fibers, it is just artificially accelerated by it.

>>101694043
How do you know they don't evolve? If they are composed of self-replicating molecules it is impossible for them not to evolve bar magic. They are just a species of presumably sentient parasites that can go dormant in space, it isn't even a new concept.

>>101694092
It's the counter-culture backlash, critical thinking and intelligence got too popular and all the undesirable fedoras are doing it, so we have to return to fundamentalism and anti-intellectualism in order to remain cool.

>>101694148
It's not 'debt.' They had children knowing what it entails. Although I am loyal to my parents and love them, I would not necessarily expect the same for any children I had, though it would be nice.

>>101694145
see>>101693598>And a parent can provide stuff to a child with its life and expect some gratitude in return.>>101693671>They're free to expect it, as most parents do. But the child has no obligation to return it.

>>101694258
I usually use mplayer or mpv, but I've switched over to jack audio and vlc was easier to get working with it. If I decide to keep with jack I'll set my usual media players up properly, I just don't want to have to do the setup and then just reverse it.

>>101694244
It's both incredible and horrifying that such a social phenomenon could even happen. This place was the very hub of subversive thinking when I left 2 years ago, and I return to a place turned on it's fucking head. Like I had walked into a world where everything is backwards. To think that people actually dropped their intelligence and worldviews to remain "cool". I think it's time I leave 4chan once and for all.

>>101694871
My question is as to who these conservative people are. When critical thinking suddenly became uncool, did everyone convert? Or did the change in 4chan's atmosphere cause new people to wash in.

>>101694957>the change in 4chan's atmosphere cause new people to wash in.

/pol/ overload and the backlash to SJW and retarded liberal politics caused people with a binary mindset on /pol/ to immediately take up the opposite stance on everything. It spread because hating something with other people feels good.

>>101694784
Yeah.
But its reinforced when it comes to family.
Unless they are objectively shit.>objectively
Yes,I know.Then again, a sentient being should be able to put his emotions aside and judge the factual evidences honestly.

For my part, they cared.That is a good thing right?
So I will show effort for not making them sad.
Say, they never went to sea at summer, for farming my next school money,my effort should be doubled.
If they molest me for their own entertainment, then I my effort should be halved,exc,exc.

>>101695156
The issue is that you're oversimplifying people. For instance, somebody with providing parents will more than likely be grateful to them and the fact that there's no inherent debt won't come into play or even be thought of.

>>101693671
Anyone that doesn't agree to this is retarded.
Having a child is your choice, being born isn't.
The retarded 'having no obligation to be nice' response is just pathetic, of course you should be a good person, but they aren't the same obligation.

>>101695748
Right, but thinking there is some kind of debt is a concept given to you, not an inherent fact. My point is, the majority of people don't need that obligation to feel grateful to begin with. It's something goid people tend to feel outright.

>>101696262
What if Nui isn't a life fiber doll, but a person who has been further evolved with life fibers, like the apes were evolved to humans with life fibers? It would explain her perfection.
And extremely violent nature.

In 5 when talking in the bar with Aikuro it's revealed that what killed Kinue was a Kamui it seems. She's got her own color theme and a sword like the others. As for how she's able to use the kamui, it could be that it's a prototype or that her mind is simply too broken by some trauma for it to take her over. Or that the Kamui is bloodthirsty and happened to found a girl with the same tastes.

>>101696747
Rewatch 5 and the bar scene. He says when it comes to kamui he can't hold back. Implying if Ryuuko was just wearing normal life fibers he wouldn't try to kill her and the Kamui. But because it's a Kamui he has no choice and has to try and kill them.

>>101696682>She's probably a 3rd Kamui user.>Unlike Ryuuko and Satsuki the Kamui is the dominant personality and Nui is the clothes>Devas put up enough resistance to force Nui into revealing her true form

>>101696838
he says that because a Kamui is what Kinue was researching, and if she hadn't she wouldn't have died, not that a Kamui killed her.

Its like if she died testing what would eventually be used to make cars, he can hate cars because it was their development that caused her to die, but that doesn't mean a car killed her, only that something used to make a car did.

She happens to fit the same traits as our other Kamui users. Has a sword, her own color theme and energy stars of her color. And Aikuro groups all three of them together when speaking about them in episode 12.

>>101697061
No, she would have been mentioning it to him to torment him with how fucked up she is.

I would say that Tsumugu has too easy a time trying to kill her for Nui to be his sister, but the dude is just so fucking level headed and reasonable that he would actually totally understand it's not her anymore and have no problem fighting her. Tsu is that great.

>>101697188
Nui also happens to know what a Kamui is INSTANTLY upon seeing Ryuuko. I think we ignored the obvious, how else would she know what one is? She's not like Ragyou in that she's old enough to have been there when Junketsu was made (It seems)

>>101697346
Speaking of Tsu and level headed reasonableness, fuck Nudist Beach is awesome in this regard.

Between Tsu pulling out of the fight no questions asked when it was clear he was hopelessly outgunned and this scene, these guys are fucking great. No "well there's literally no way we could win but lets just stay here and die because pointless heroism"

>>101670864
I am. Even if Ragyo somehow recovers from this it was an extremely satisfying moment to see Satsuki finally getting back at her like that. That evil witch deserves that and more. Much more!

And yes, being demanding means two people are completely alike. Also ignore how creepy Rei is. Yeah, I'm totally sure Ragyou isn't a bad guy. We had a series full of hints about Satsuki, you're making up shit for Ragyou.

Ragyou is either insane/infested and a villain. But she won't be the major villain which is pretty clear.

>>101701573
Not that guy but it's clear that Ragyou's ego is insane and massive, last episode she even said she knows EVERYTHING. You have to be stupid or something to not grasp what kind of ego that is.

>Don't believe anyone said that, you sound pretty defensive and delusional. Is that random speculation hurting your headcanon?
It sounds like your headcanon is hurt.

>>101702447
You think she's going to stay dead? She knew it was coming. Nui stated "like mother like daughter". Both Ragyo and Satsuki commit familicide but the difference is that Satsuki will not succeed.

>We have no indication so far that Ragyou just isn't insane/controlled by fibers. None.
Her ego for one.
Nui commenting how mother and daughter are alike>And yes, being demanding means two people are completely alike. Also ignore how creepy Rei is. Yeah, I'm totally sure Ragyou isn't a bad guy. We had a series full of hints about Satsuki, you're making up shit for Ragyou.>Ragyou is either insane/infested and a villain. But she won't be the major villain which is pretty clear.

>>101703048>Her ego for one.>Nui commenting how mother and daughter are alike
Wow, you're not too smart. You don't understand what ego means, clearly. And you're attempting to place emphasis on that line to fulfill your headcanon. Try again. This time with intelligence!

Only a few, most of them between Ryuuko and Satsuki and the the best was from episode 15. You know why that was interesting though? It's because Ryuuko and Satsuki are even.

I hope Nui vs the 4 Devas isn't entirely one sided and it's actually somewhat interesting because it certainly has a lot of potential to be interesting. Nui has to win obviously but if Nui just toys with them the entire time that's just boring. Most of the fights in this show have either been completely one sided in one characters favor, or in the case of most of Ryuuko's fights beside Satsuki's, one sided against Ryuuko for 95% of the fight until Senketsu takes over and pulls something out of his ass.

>>101704502>Loli Ryuuko getting bullied after being pushed into the mud>Loli Satsuki beats the shit out of them and picks her up before giving her a hug and wiping away her tears
They'd be the best of friends.

>>101704829
Loli Satsuki wouldn't do anything if she thought Loli Ryuuko could beat the person who was bullying her, but if anyone who was bigger than her tried anything then she would step in and protect her.

>>101706093>Loli Ryuuko joins Satsuki and Nonon as friends>Nonon is jealous of Ryuuko and constantly belittles and pushes her around>Goes back to being sweet when Satsuki is around>Always playing cruel pranks on Ryuuko>Puts fake love notes in her locker>Steals her lunches>Locks her outside the bathroom until she pees herself>Trips her whenever Satsuki isn't looking>Ryuuko draws a picture of the 3 of them being friends>Nonon steals it and cuts out Ryuuko

>>101706093>Satsuki and Ryuko get into an animated discussion over whatever lolis are interested in.>Nonon feeling left out walks to the kitchen to get a drink.>Ragyo is there.>"Oh whats the matter dear?">"Nonon knows it's not Ryuko-chan's fault, but Nonon cannot help but have dirty(rude/angry) thoughts">"Oh my" Ragyo says as she cups Nonon's cheek>"Come with me... I'll purify you"

>new ending shows exclusively Mako>implying the song describes Mako>sings only about things that a pure girl would think about, friendship and shit

>meaning>previous ending featuring heavily Ryuuko>was meant to sing about Ryuuko>sings about the local high school slut who can't get good grades so she sleeps around ("so I unbutton my shirt and reveal my secrets to you")